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What happens when growth isn't driven by hustle, but by intention? Lesley and Brad unpack Launa Jae's take on emotional self-awareness, authentic evolution, and what it means to truly live in alignment. Tune in for a refreshing take on messy action, redefining success, and practicing what you preach. This recap reminds you that progress can be sustainable when it comes from self-trust.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How to use presence as a tool—not a luxury—for creating peace and focus.What your negative emotions are really telling you about your priorities.The hidden cost of urgency culture and constant productivity.How small cues in your environment can help you course-correct.Why limiting distractions supports peace, clarity, and intention.Episode References/Links:OPC Summer Tour - https://opc.me/eventsUK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukeLevate Workout and Q&A - https://lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlistAgency Mini - https://prfit.biz/miniCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comContrology Chair - https://beitpod.com/contrologychairSubmit Your Questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsLauna Jae Website: https://beitpod.com/activelifesportsLauna Jae Instagram - https://instagram.com/launajae_Ep. 53: Launa Jae - https://beitpod.com/launajae If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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You can't change everything about yourself all at one time. You have to pick and choose and go, okay, well, what can I do here? Like, if you look at BJ Fogg, if he's like, I'm frustrated because I'm working on this project and I'm not sleeping enough, so I want to sleep better. He actually was like, okay, how, what are all the different ways I could sleep better? Well, he's not going to do all of those things. He, actually, to make a habit, had to go what are the three easiest things of what I just came up with that I want to do, and then how can I do that? Lesley Logan 0:26  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:09  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the hilariously intentional convo I had with Launa Jae in our last episode. If you haven't listened to that one you've missed the fuck out.Brad Crowell 1:21  You totally missed out. Lesley Logan 1:22  It's so good. I mean, we're two good friends, so that's always a fun conversation to be in. But also, she just has the most hilarious way of putting things in a way that just makes you stop and take it all in. And we are just obsessed with her. So anyway, Brad Crowell 1:36  Yes, 100%.Lesley Logan 1:37  If you're not following her on Instagram, you are missing out, because her stories are my favorite. Every morning, to this day, she still does good morning to everyone except and it's something, and then there's other people who also do this and tag her, and so she reposts theirs. And then I just die laughing. So anyways, you gotta go follow her. Gotta go follow her. I promise you, it's really great. And she gives great tips and great hacks on gaining protein in your life, because all, y'all ladies over 40, it's a fucking feat to get enough protein every day. Brad Crowell 2:04  And if you're watching YouTube, I'm wearing a shirt you referenced. Lesley Logan 2:08  Oh, that's so funny. What a great timing.  Brad Crowell 2:11  Yeah, punch nails, I'm sorry, paint nails, punch Nazis. Lesley Logan 2:14  We should have that guy on the pod. Brad Crowell 2:16  We should have that guy on the pod.Lesley Logan 2:17  Yeah, we should send him.Brad Crowell 2:19  We'll work that out.Lesley Logan 2:20  His name, I think, is Jonathan Gregory or Gregory Jonathan, it's one of those handles that I'm like, he must have gotten famous after he made this weird handle. So, yeah, I gotta get him on. Okay, let's get back to, (inaudible) first we're going to talk about how today is June 5th, my dad's birthday.Brad Crowell 2:35  Oh, it is your dad's birthday.Lesley Logan 2:38  Brad. He's like, oh my God, all these days. It's like, this person's from the reality TV show day. I'm like, how does that person have a day and I don't have a day?Brad Crowell 2:45  It was Veggie Burger Day, and at the same exact day, Sausage Roll Day. I was like, did they do that on purpose? I think they did.Lesley Logan 2:52  I think Launa Jae would agree that you could have a veggie burger or a sausage roll. If you are doing your protein, right, you can. But today is Happy Birthday, Dad. You are 73. Way to go. But it's also World Environment Day. This day urges all of us to protect our natural surroundings. The stunning facts, an estimated 7 million people die each year from causes related to air pollution, with a majority occurring in the Asian Pacific region. This day encourages worldwide activism that means everything from littering to climate change. World Environment Day is both a global celebration and a platform for public outreach. You guys, plant plants that are local to your freaking place. That is one of the best things you can do. You know, it's really great, because in the water, we live in Vegas, we are increasingly aware of our water, what plants we have. On windy days, you got to go out there and pick up the trash, like, take care of the world around you. It's really hard when you think about, like, oh my God, the global warming. I can't, we can't fix everything, so you got to at least get your neighbors on board. How much water are you using? How much are you planting? How much trash are we throwing away, you know.Brad Crowell 3:54  Yeah, get rid of your grass in your front yard, you don't need it. Lesley Logan 3:56  Yeah, get rid of it. Also. It doesn't even absorb water. There was a whole episode on the Love It or Lose It odcast years ago about how actual grass is not trapping water. So that was news to me.Brad Crowell 4:09  Yeah, you know, Lesley Logan 4:10  Educate yourself on little things you can do.Brad Crowell 4:12  Well, it's a hill that the city of Vegas is dying on. They enacted a law that says you have to, by 2026, I think all front yards have to be non-grass.Lesley Logan 4:22  Yeah, we got a neighbor, you guys, their grass is so green all year long. And it is infuriating to me. It's infuriating to me. First of all, when I walk the dog in the morning, though the sidewalk is soaking wet because of how they water, and how they water is why their grass is so green. And it's not like a little yard. It's like a full on eighth of an acre of grass. It's perfectly green.Brad Crowell 4:42  I know exactly which house you mean. Lesley Logan 4:43  Yeah, oh, yeah. And because they water so much, there's something wrong with their sidewalk, it's literally slippery. You can literally slip while walking. And I'm just like, I can't wait till this grass is gone. I'm going to report you. January 1st 2026, first day I see that grass. My neighbor has grass.Brad Crowell 4:59  I don't know if it's Jan. 21 or Jan. 1st, but, yeah.Lesley Logan 5:00  I'm gonna be that Karen. That's the Karen I'm gonna be. Brad Crowell 5:05  That's the Karen (inaudible). Lesley Logan 5:06  If you got fucking front yard grass, I'm coming. Anyways, these are the things we can do and educate yourself on your water usage, but also, just like what you can do in your environment, you know, we all can't drive electric cars. All that, it's not, don't worry about the things you can't do, focus on the things you can. And it actually feels really great. Okay, oh, we have events. You guys, we're going on tour. Brad Crowell 5:27  Yeah, we got a lot going on. Lesley Logan 5:28  You'll hear more about that soon, but the tickets are already for sale, they've been on sale for a couple weeks. And it's a huge Summer Tour. It's not a small Summer Tour, it's a huge Summer Tour. But the spaces are limited, because when you go to cities on the West Coast, what you will learn, like some places in the northeast, is that rent is hard and expensive, and so spaces are small, which means space is limited. So you want to get in on this tour and snag your spots and the classes and workshops before they sell out, opc.me/events.Brad Crowell 5:55  opc.me/events Lesley Logan 5:56  Also, I really think our tour shirt is epic.Brad Crowell 5:59  It's a really cool tour shirt. I'm very excited about this.  Lesley Logan 6:02  This is my new favorite thing. I look up tour shirts from other things, and then I tell the team do this. And I don't think anyone notices what I'm doing, but I know what I'm doing. And then in September, you guys, we're going to be in the U.K. Leeds only has a few spots left. Essex, we actually opened up the opportunity to do day spot. So you can either do the full day Tuesday, the full day Wednesday, you want to go to opc.me/uk and again, also, not very many spots. So if you do the full weekend pass, or two day pass, you get six workshops, two classes. But if you do the day pass, you get three workshops and a class. So you want to snag those spots. We're not coming back for quite a bit, not because we don't like you, just. Brad Crowell 6:43  Don't know when. Do not know when. . Lesley Logan 6:45  Don't know when. That's how the world goes.   Brad Crowell 6:46  Last time we waited two years. Lesley Logan 6:49  Yeah. Also, before summer tour and U.K., I'm hosting a workout and a Q&A session for teachers, this is for Pilates teachers who are interested in my mentorship program. We are more than half sold out at the time that we are recording this. In fact, like, not, there's actually not a lot of spots in next year, but we're going to.  Brad Crowell 7:06  Yeah, there's literally, there's less than nine spots left.Lesley Logan 7:09  Yeah, so less than nine spots. And we're gonna have.Brad Crowell 7:11  I say that because I'm talking to a handful of people, and there are currently nine, and I think they're going to be booked, so. Lesley Logan 7:17  Yeah. Yeah. So here's the deal, go to lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist to get on the waitlist to get the information about the free class and the Q&A session. If you are someone who wants to take the class and ask questions, that's gonna be great. If you're someone who's like, I want in on this. I don't want to wait. Well, you know how to hunt us down, because that's clearly how it's filling up behind closed doors. But lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist this is for comprehensively trained teachers who want to not freaking talk so much, be in imposter syndrome, over work themselves out, all the things, yeah, come and join us. Okay, Brad, your turn. Brad Crowell 7:53  All right. So I'm very excited to make this special announcement. We have decided to bring back Agency Mini.Lesley Logan 8:01  I know you guys, this is really exciting. We said, no, it's done, and it was, and it, actually, the Agency, Mini, you know, and was very loved.Brad Crowell 8:09  It's still done. Lesley Logan 8:09  It's still done. This is a, this is a new Mini, new and improved. Brad Crowell 8:13  This is a mini Mini. Lesley Logan 8:14  It's like, it's a, it is a mini mini. An M-I-N-I M-I-N-I mini Mini. And that is because we took all the, all the things people loved about Mini, and got rid of all the things people didn't love about Mini. So no more Facebook groups, no more seven days. No more overwhelm. This is a three-day Mini. You're gonna get a workshop on day one. You have homework on day two. You will have a office, a group call on day three, there's like couple extra days of replays you'll have some access to, and that's it, and it's (claps) awesome, quick.Brad Crowell 8:47  Easy and effective and really exciting. What we're going to be digging into is some of the foundational marketing things that you need to know on how to attract your own clients. Like, how do I attract the right clients for me, clients that actually want to work with, clients who pay me without complaining, clients who show up on time. How do I do all of that? Right? And we're going to dig in. I cannot wait. This is one of the, one of the favorite topics that Lesley and I have spoken on over the years.Lesley Logan 9:13  And if, even if you're like, oh, I slay at my marketing, if you don't actually help the clients you want to be teaching, or people who treat you or making the money you want to make, you need to be at this Mini, because we're going to actually fill in the holes. We're like, oh, I didn't do that. Oh, that's the thing. It's going to be amazing.Brad Crowell 9:28  Yeah. So by the time this comes out, I think we're still on the waitlist, believe it or not. So it'll be.Lesley Logan 9:34  The early bird will be opening, like, in the next week or two, so you probably want to go to prfit.biz/mini, to get on the waitlist, and or if it's open, you'll see how to buy in right there. It's going to be in July, the middle of July, before we take off on tour, and it's going.Brad Crowell 9:47  Early bird is 25 bucks. So don't miss it.   Lesley Logan 9:50  Yeah. Don't miss it, because we don't want you to actually pay the full price. That's why we have the early bird. We want you to plan ahead.Brad Crowell 9:54  60% off. Lesley Logan 9:55  Yeah, I love how we did this out of calendar order today. But you know what? It keeps you on your toes.Brad Crowell 10:01  What? Lesley Logan 10:02  Well, we started with the tour, which is after Mini.Brad Crowell 10:04  Oh yeah 100%. We did. Lesley Logan 10:06  Anyways. But for sure, at the end of this year is Cambodia in October. You guys, if this is your first time hearing about this, and you've never heard about how amazing our retreat in Siem Reap is, it's amazing. If you have heard us every single week, you know it's amazing. And if you're like I really want to do this, come, come, come, come. I know everything is crazy and uncertain. Let me just tell you right now, the flight prices to Asia are the same, whether you buy them today or six weeks before. Why? Because people have done that. Want you to go to crowsnestretreats.com to snag your spot because the small group, we're taking a very, very small group this October, we want you there, and it's going to be such a great time to just get rid of all the chaos and be in the coolest place in the whole world. Brad Crowell 10:45  It's so true and it's so cool.  Lesley Logan 10:46  We've been to a lot of places. Brad Crowell 10:47  If you want to deep dive on that, go back a couple weeks and there's some solo episodes from Lesley and from me about our love for why we do this trip, all the things. So dig in on that. All right. Well, before we get any further, we had an audience question. So @emilyanahata from YouTube asks, hey, how do I know which chair is the right for me? And I'm assuming she's talking about a Pilates chair. What are some questions I can ask myself to get a better idea? Thank you. And I am going to jump in. I'm just going to say, traditionally, you want a chair that has four legs, right? And then maybe a seat. That'll be good. That's the kind of chair you want. Those are great questions. Doesn't have four. You might be able to get away with three, but I don't think two is going to cut it.Lesley Logan 11:30  No, yeah, the three, that's more like a stool.   Brad Crowell 11:34  That's a stool. Lesley Logan 11:34  Yeah. Okay, so this is really great. And actually, she followed up with some really interesting questions, which is, like, she's heard that, like, should she get a Split Pedal EXO Chair? She did this. And so I actually followed up with like, are you a teacher? So here's the deal, what I know is, I'm gonna answer this in two ways. If you're a teacher, then you actually should get the Chair that best suits your style of teaching. And what I often see teachers do is they get a Chair that they can afford versus a Chair that was designed for their self-teaching. If, so Emily's not a teacher, so the Split Pedal, if you were trained to teach on Split Pedals, if you like to teach on Split Pedals, then get a Chair with Split Pedals, because you'll be annoyed that the pedal doesn't split, it doesn't do what you want. But if you are not trained on a Split Pedal, then the Split Pedal is actually going to be frustrating, because it's going to feel different, sound different than what you're used to. And Emily's not a teacher, so then it's just going to be confusing, and then she won't use a Chair without having been trained on how to use the Chair. And I want people who love Pilates to have access at home to equipment that they want and they can use, and it's not confusing. So this is not a knock against Split Pedals EXO Chairs. Obviously, we know and love Balanced Body. We are, we have affiliate links with them. We are dear, dear friends with the founders, and we are sponsored for the tour. So get that if you want to use it, but if you are just like, I want to get stronger. I want to work on my posture. I want to work on my strength. My suggestion is going to be the Contrology Chair because without seeing you, Emily, the dimensions are great for every body, no matter if you're big or small, hyper mobile, tall or short, the pedal angle is just really great.Brad Crowell 13:11  It's also very solid. Lesley Logan 13:12  It's really solid. Brad Crowell 13:13  You're not gonna have to worry about it, like, you know.Lesley Logan 13:15  And it's super, it's not confusing. You don't have four springs to choose from. Like, I find that if you are not trained as a teacher on that equipment, it becomes confusing. If there's lots of spring choices, it's two springs, three hooks on either side. Really easy to figure out what you need to be doing. But for anyone listening, having a chair that's right for you, the easiest answer is like, I just love a Contrology, I love a Contrology Chair. You can stand on it. I could put a heavy person on it, I could put a tall person on it. It's gonna be great. Put a short person on it.Brad Crowell 13:40  I did a handstand on one.Lesley Logan 13:42  Yeah, you totally did it, and it was fine. But questions to ask yourself are, is the pedal angle gonna be appropriate for the height and flexibility of my hips? Right? Is the top of the chair big enough to support my full seat? Can I lay on it on my front? Can I lay it on my back? Does the Chair feel sturdy if I stand on top, if I go to step on top of it does it feel like it's sturdy? Some of these Chairs are really light. I've seen some interesting ones now that are floating around that are a few 100 bucks. I worry about the weight of the body. I'm not talking a larger body. I'm talking like just any body. So some questions to ask yourself, are like, can it withstand the weight of my body standing on it, and then can I adjust the springs tension so that it meets me where I am, or is it like kind of the same spring tension, whether you use like, if you only have one or two? So anyways, those are some things to ask yourself, but always happy to give you my links, you guys, to anything that Balanced Body makes, and that's our Contrology line as well. Brad Crowell 14:37  Yeah, awesome, well. Lesley Logan 14:39  I just want to say I love that she's gonna get herself a Chair, because everyone's so fucking obsessed with having a home reformer. And then they're like, I need it to fit under my bed. And it's like, uh, no, if you have a small space, get a Wunda Chair, get a Spine Corrector, get a Two by Four, get a Sand bag, get a Ped-o-Pull. So many things you can get yourself, and then you could go take a Reformer at a studio, right? Okay. Brad Crowell 14:58  I dig it. Well, look. Stick around. We'll be right back. Lesley Logan 15:01  Oh, Brad, hold on. Brad Crowell 15:02  What? Lesley Logan 15:02  You guys, we have a link for you guys to submit your questions, because some of you have been like, how do I submit my question?  Brad Crowell 15:08  Yes, we do. Lesley Logan 15:08  Where do I submit them? And it is. Brad Crowell 15:10  We totally do. Lesley Logan 15:12  beitpod.com/questions you can also send. Brad Crowell 15:16  beitpod.com/questions plural. Lesley Logan 15:17  You can also submit your wins. There's a spot whether it's a question or a win. So, beitpod.com/questions with the s at the end and then send it. Brad Crowell 15:25  Yeah, submit your wins. Submit your question. Lesley Logan 15:27  Yep, anything, anything goes. Sometimes it doesn't have to be Pilates-related. Anything goes.  Brad Crowell 15:30  Good job. Good remembering.Lesley Logan 15:31  Let's talk about Launa. Brad Crowell 15:33  Stick around. We'll be right back, because we're gonna talk about shit and rainbows in just a minute.  Brad Crowell 15:38  Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about Launa Jae. Launa is a Dallas-based nutrition and fitness coach who specializes in helping people get unstuck without feeling restricted. What does that mean? She is an anti-diet coach and a food freedom expert for high-achieving women. She's passionate about helping others make progress, stay accountable and create sustainable results in both health and in life, and she's hilarious, like, hilarious.Lesley Logan 16:09  She's so funny. That's why the shit and rainbows come from. Also, she, you could even listen to her first episode being on here. Like, there's just so many things that she says, and her descriptive words are perfect. So one of the things that I love that she said is negative emotion is literally just an indication that you're out of alignment with who you are in your true inner being, experiencing debilitating negative emotions that led to stress, and then that led to physical illness. And then she realized a common denominator in all of them was her. So she was prioritizing her to-do list over her well being. So she would wake up, check emails and prioritize her to do list and not like what she needed. And it's so fun to see her. She's obviously switched this. And so you can actually see it in her Instagram if you follow her, she's like, well, I'm at the gym. Didn't want to be here, but I'm doing the workout even though I didn't want to be here, because she's prioritizing herself, right? She's making sure she gets what she needs. And so after doing all this, she was able. I love the self-reflection. I think that's really hard to do, so I love that she self-reflected, and then she concluded that these negative feelings signaled a disconnect between her actions and her authentic self. So who she was telling people what to do for them themselves, and then what she was doing for herself. When we're when we have that dissonance, our brain doesn't like it. It is overwhelming, and we get resentful, and that's negative, right? So instead of just brushing off us having a bad day, she used those feelings as signals that something was out of alignment. And I think it's really cool, if you can figure out in your day and in your life, like, oh, when I feel like this, it's like a little yellow light, hello. This is a sign you're out of alignment. You guys, at the park that I walk the dog at every 30 minutes. This voice comes on these speakers. Brad Crowell 17:41  It does? Lesley Logan 17:42  Yes. Brad Crowell 17:42  At our park? Lesley Logan 17:43  Yes. Brad Crowell 17:44  Like, over the loud speakers in the park? Lesley Logan 17:45  Yes. Brad Crowell 17:46  That's like, creepy.Lesley Logan 17:47  So fucking creepy. It's a little bit like in South Korea when I crossed the street when it was a red light, and this Korean voice, like, came out of nowhere. And I was like, I don't know what you're saying, but I could, like, in the U.S., I could cross the street right now, no one's coming. Anyways, this voice goes, dude, it's like, do-ding-do and then she goes, da-da-da-da-da. She, I don't know what she's saying, but the point of this whole story is, like, find something in your day that can be a sign that, like, oop, I've stepped over the line of being out of alignment. And it could go ding-dong-ding-ding-ding-ding. Brad Crowell 18:22  I don't really know what's happening right now.Lesley Logan 18:23  Listen, let me finish. Let me finish. You are out of alignment. You haven't prioritized yourself. Brad Crowell 18:29  Like an elevator chime.Lesley Logan 18:30  Yes, like an elevator chime. And then like a lovely. Brad Crowell 18:33  You are out of alignment. This, to me, is like a sci-fi movie where it's like, welcome to the ground floor. And then, like.Lesley Logan 18:41  You, Brad, you said you wanted to cold plunge, and you have not done that yet, turn around, go back in there, take care of yourself first.Brad Crowell 18:51  You will hate yourself later if you don't cold plunge now.  Lesley Logan 18:54  You're gonna complain later and Lesley is gonna roll her eyes, you know. So she found her way of understanding that she's out of alignment. We all need a little flashing light, elevator sound, woman in the park. I wish I can tell you what she's saying.Brad Crowell 19:07  Woman in the park coming at you with surround sound. Lesley Logan 19:11  Yeah, it's really rare. It's really weird. It's probably saying you're not supposed to be here right now.Brad Crowell 19:14  I know, right? The park doesn't open until 6:15. Lesley Logan 19:18  A park opens when the sun rises and I'm there before it so clearly, it's for me, anyways. Brad Crowell 19:22  All right, so here's what I really dug. She's talking about urgency culture, and I found that an interesting term, because if it's culture, that means we created it, right? It's also it's learned. I reflected a lot about this, like, wow, there is a sense of we're only here on this planet one time. So I get that, like, driving, like, gotta get things done, you know, kind of a vibe. But also, too, I think if you look at the difference between the United States and Europe on on how people work, you know, we work 40 hours a week. We never take vacations. We work when we're sick, all these kinds of things that are way different from a mentality, from a cultural perspective, the idea of urgency culture kind of scares me. That's not an exciting thing to think about. It also made me reflect on how caught up am I in that myself? Lesley Logan 20:14  Oh, yeah.Brad Crowell 20:15  This idea of never taken any time off or constantly working. You know, we're just listening to one of our coaches, Brad Bizjak.  Lesley Logan 20:23  He's gonna be on the pod soon, guys, stay tuned. Brad Crowell 20:25  Awesome episode coming. Really excited about that. We were listening to one of his episodes on urgency and the importance of leaving yourself time off as well. So anyway, all this being said with Launa Jae, she said, hey, we've created this never ending to do list, and it's stripping us from the human connection, from enjoying our day to day, from being present in the moment. It is funny. It's like we've decided we can, you know, be, quote-unquote, this efficient, so we can do these amount of things every day, whatever those things are, right? If you're working for a company, they always tell you schedule 80% of their expected work time, because 20% will something will get in the way, and they won't actually be able to do all the things. But we still packed in that 80% right. When we are thinking about our day in that manner, it doesn't leave any room for life to be, like, to happen, and also self-reflection. And I think that's the, when she's talking about stripping us from the human connection, enjoying the day to day, from being present in the moment. You know you have to reflect on the things that are happening to you. Like, for example, I mean, I wasn't in in the best physical, like, well-being on this day trip that we took, but we changed altitudes. I opened my water bottle and it exploded all, literally, all over my lap. So, like, and it wasn't a small amount of water. I was literally sitting in a puddle of water. And, like, I'm driving. You know, that could have been hilarious, but I was upset about it. I was, like, really frustrated.Lesley Logan 21:54  I started to laugh at the background. Brad Crowell 21:56  You did start laughing. Lesley Logan 21:56  Because we have done this before. So to me.  Brad Crowell 21:59  I had no idea we changed altitude. It wasn't like a thing I could check, but the realities that happened, and instead of it being funny, it was frustrating because I'm like, I have to drive, I have to do this, and I'm trying to take a drink of water, and then boom. And instead of appreciating the hilarity of the moment, I didn't, you know, when Launa Jae was talking about this, she explained, we're constantly rushing to complete tasks and focusing solely on our to-do list, which is stripping us of being present and by being intentional about what we're doing. Right? So this intentionality she's talking about then, why are we doing what, what we're doing while we're doing it, it'll help us be more present in the moment. So now she's limiting distractions. She's trying to be in the moment more. And the number one thing she said is especially because she works in social media, the number one thing she said is just limiting those notifications and hiding her phone that allows her to stay present, stay in the moment, be having a conversation and thinking about the conversation she's having. Instead of constantly being interrupted, even if you're not necessarily addressing it, you're still processing it. Your brain is still processing it in the moment. So I like that she's prioritizing peace and laughter. You know, I think those are great things.Lesley Logan 23:10  Yeah. If you're a high-achieving person or an ex athlete, or any of those things. I think it's so cool to listen to because we're all human. You can't change everything about yourself all at one time. You have to pick and choose and go, okay, well, what can I do here? Like, if you look at BJ Fogg, and he's like, I'm frustrated because I'm working on this project, and I'm not sleeping enough, so I want to sleep better. He actually was like, okay, how, what are the all the different ways I could sleep better? Well, he's not going to do all of those things. He, actually, to make a habit had to go what are the three easiest things of what I just came up with that I want to do? And then how can I do that? So that's how he talks about how you can make changes in your life. And so if you want to be more present, what are all the different ways you'd be more present? Well, one of the things is to limit the notifications in your phone, because you're less distracted, right? So I think it's just a really cool you can start to see yourself in different things that Launa is explaining, and then you might be able to address it as well. I got an ad for a phone booth, a phone box. It's, it's really beautiful wood, but I would it's, it's.Brad Crowell 24:08  What are you? What is it? Lesley Logan 24:09  It looks like, it kind of looks like a hobbit door, you know, like those old, how like in Harry Potter.Brad Crowell 24:16  Oh, you put your phone in it? Lesley Logan 24:17  Yeah, and you open it up, and there's these little slats, and it could fit six phones, and then there's a hole in the back for a charging cable to come through. I looked at it as, like, well, how much is this phone booth? Because that's kind of cute. Like a place we could put our phones. We were not distracted. Like, it's a cute little box. I mean, you could probably you could probably just put them in any kind of box, you guys, because first of all, it was $75 I was like, I'm out on that. Second of all, you still have to put the cord through. So the like, to me, the box should just charge my phone. So when that happens, then I don't want to have to find more cords over the cords. But at any rate, find a place to put your phone if you want to be less distracted.  Brad Crowell 24:51  Love it. All right, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about those Be It Actions with Launa Jae. Brad Crowell 24:56  All right, so let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Launa Jae? She said, hey, being where you are, 10 toes down. First time she said it, I understood what she said, but it took me a minute to like process it. Again, she's talking about really being present. She said, wherever those toes are, that's where your focus needs to be, right? She shared how this quote became a daily anchor for her to stay grounded in the moment instead of rushing from one task to another. I'm here, 10 toes down, right? It's a cool little phrase that allows you to be like, oh yeah, remind myself to be in the moment, to be here. She said it helps her stay present and ask herself, why am I doing the thing that I'm doing right now? Why am I doing this? Right? I'm here, so my 10 toes are down here. Is this where I should be? Why am I doing what I'm doing? Right? She also emphasized the importance of being intentional about your time and reflecting on the time that you're spending in different places. So she said this kind of purposeful focus gave her the space to reflect, process her emotions and communicate more clearly, especially in moments of stress. So, good for her. I think it's a cool little phrase. 10 toes down. She's good at those, yeah, like the horse pill without water. Lesley Logan 26:16  She also said to stay curious everything can teach you more about yourself. I think this is so key, because we might not like how we react to things, we might not like how something is going, but we could be curious about like, well, why don't I like that? Well, what's going on there? And there's so much information out there in this world today that you could probably figure out, like, well, what is that saying? And like, what's going on? And so I think just everything, even the things we don't like, can teach us more about ourselves. In fact, I actually think the thing things not going right, things not going well, things that blow up in our faces, like, they all kind of teach us a little bit more than like, when everything goes really well, if everything is good all the time, you kind of often don't know as much about yourself. So want to also encourage us to create awareness around where we are and get clear on where you want to go. So maybe take a second of like, okay, I'm going to this meeting. The goal of this meeting is X, Y and Z. This is why I'm going to this meeting. This is what I want. And then have some clarity there, and then be 10 toes down and reminded us that grace and consistency go a long way. That is very true. It actually is really hard to pick yourself up quickly if you're beating yourself up. The teams in sports that do the best, don't focus on yesterday's loss. They focus on the goal of today. You know, as they learn from yesterday's loss, they watch tapes, they take feedback, but if they're beating themselves up over a wrong turn or a bad pitch, they're going to take that with them into the next game, versus going okay, today's game is to beat this team, and this team is really good at x, y and z, and when I'm up against that, this is what I know because you learned about yourself. So it all goes together, and grace is and is going to help you be more consistent, for sure. And she also said there's going to be really hard days but what matters most is what you do with them. And I think that's such a good reminder.Lesley Logan 27:53  You know, Launa Jae, you're so fun, you're so fabulous. You guys, I think you're going to really love listening to her episode. If you haven't listened to it already. Also go back into the archives and grab another episode out of her if you really enjoy what she's saying and follow her, because her stories are really fun.Brad Crowell 28:08  Yeah, her first time on the pod was episode 53.   Lesley Logan 28:12  Whoa and what episode is this? Brad Crowell 28:15  533 Lesley Logan 28:16  So she is, that's.  Brad Crowell 28:18  Almost 500 episodes. Lesley Logan 28:20  No, that's like 53 and three. She's 50, episode 53 and then 533. There's another 50. Launa, go play the 53 at the lottery, I think. Brad Crowell 28:30  Awesome. Well, thanks for joining us today.  Lesley Logan 28:33  I'm Lesley Logan Brad Crowell 28:34  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 28:35  Oh my goodness. I was like, okay, Brad is gonna wrap this up, but that's not how this goes. You guys know what to do. Leave us a review. Make sure you tell Launa Jae, like, what your favorite takeaways were, what maybe your favorite quip is, and share this with a friend who needs to hear it like, who needs a pep talk, who needs to slow down and like, take in how they're doing things and be more present with themselves. That's how this podcast grows and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 28:57  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 28:59  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 29:41  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 29:46  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co. Brad Crowell 29:50  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi. Lesley Logan 29:58  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals. Brad Crowell 30:01  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. 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After 8 years of traveling extensively together, we've been privileged enough to stay at some truly unique and iconic hotels. Here are our best hotels we've stayed in around the world! Which hotels are your favorite around the world?   Relevant Links (may contain affiliate links, meaning if you book through these links, we earn a small commission-at no additional cost to you!): -Where to Stay in Paris: https://francevoyager.com/where-to-stay-in-paris/  Kat's Top Picks: The Peech Boutique Hotel in Johannesburg, South Africa: https://booking.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/HABCI-9Ct8 Finca Rosa Blanca in Costa Rica: https://booking.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/N9TnU5NXH2 Ballyseede Castle Hotel in Ireland: https://booking.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/LwUb5pWsNB Mane Boutique Hotel in Siem Reap: https://expedia.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/1WtI_T64jM Chateau de Hieville in Normandy: https://booking.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/ZUzv4Zg2BY   Kat's Honorable Mentions: Akyra Manor Chiang Mai in Thailand (now called AMANOR Hotel Chiang Mai): https://booking.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/TouwuqFz9v Terrass Hotel in Paris: https://booking.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/9rnFDfy6PE La Mirande in Avignon, France: https://www.booking.com/hotel/fr/la-mirande.html Serenity at Coconut Bay in Saint Lucia: https://booking.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/WXDJbUoqm8   Chris's Top Picks: Finca Rosa Blanca in Costa Rica:https://booking.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/N9TnU5NXH2 Stonefield Villa Resort in Saint Lucia: https://booking.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/t7xn0pyJTt Mane Boutique Hotel in Siem Reap: https://expedia.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/1WtI_T64jM Rumi Wasi in Cusco, Peru: https://booking.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/yJ7dTjeRPv Ten Moons Lipe in Koh Lipe, Thailand: https://booking.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/La8RbMdT__   Chris's Honorable Mentions: The Peech Boutique Hotel in Johannesburg, South Africa: https://booking.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/HABCI-9Ct8 Vista del Angel in Quito, Ecuador: https://booking.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/pEPIHlHNcz Hotel Pod Vezi in Prague, Czechia: https://booking.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/V4hdvwvuAr Cuillin Hills Hotel on Isle of Skye, Scotland: https://booking.stay22.com/worldwidehoneymoon/RsrM9_pz9M   Check us out on Substack: Follow for updates, free and paid posts, and exclusive podcast episodes! Subscribe here to get this exclusive content now! Traveling to France? Check out our Facebook Group called France Travel Tips to ask/answer questions and learn more! Don't forget to follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/worldwidehoneymoon Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/worldwidehoneymoon TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@worldwidehoneymoon World Wide Honeymoon Blog: https://worldwidehoneymoon.com France Voyager Blog: https://francevoyager.com Subscribe to the World Wide Honeymoon blog here for monthly updates and tips + get our FREE trip planning guide: https://www.subscribepage.com/o4e5c2

In this recap, Lesley and Brad reflect on their convo with Aletta Rochat, a trailblazing and executive presence coach, who shares what it really takes to show up with confidence. Together they unpack why owning your strengths—and saying no when it matters—can shift how you lead, speak, and connect with others. With this episode, you'll leave feeling grounded, energized, and ready to give yourself full permission to belong. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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We don't identify that we have something that most people might not have, and that becomes our superpower. Lesley Logan 0:13  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:55  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the emboldening convo I had with Aletta Rochat in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that episode yet, you are missing out. She's amazing. She's a badass. You're gonna wanna listen to it after you listen to this one, if you can just go back into your feed. I mean, she's the first president-elect who's a female for the International Toastmasters. Brad Crowell 1:19  Yeah, international president-elect, yeah. Lesley Logan 1:21  Insane, amazing. And that's not even what she went to school for, or thought she'd be doing. So I just think it's great. We'll get into her in just a second. But first, today is May 29th 2025 and it's World Digestive Health Day. World Digestive Health Day is celebrated every year on May 29th around the world. I think it's really funny whenever they describe the day, and then the description is the same thing with the words. Brad Crowell 1:44  Yeah, it's also like today is May 29th. On May 29th we celebrate. Yes.Lesley Logan 1:51  The holiday provides resources and tools for gastrointestinal (G.I.) diseases to help more people in the general public make better decisions around their health. Awareness can lead to early diagnosis and treatment of G.I. diseases including cancer. It should also be known that G.I. diseases can lead to obesity. It can also create more understanding and better support for patients experiencing digestive diseases when their issues and conditions are better understood by the general public. I just think it's so important, if you are dealing with some stomach stuff, most people are not realizing how long they've been dealing with it, and it can lead to, as I mentioned, diseases, cancer, crazy stuff. You can have an imbalance of hormones, your mind, your actual mindset, how you feel, your emotions, are related to your gut, and if your gut biome is a fucking mess, and then you are also like, why does the world hate me? No amount of therapy is going to help you if your gut is telling your brain some other things. And so I highly, highly recommend, if you've got gut stuff going on, go advocate for yourself. If your G.P. is not listening to you, go talk to somebody else. We just had someone come to the house, which blew our mind. Our crappy insurance sent works to the company, and that company came to our house and literally sat down was like, what doctor referrals do you need? And I was like, oh, you can do that for me? And so you all know from over the last year how much FemGevity helped me with my gut stuff. Like, it's been really amazing to know the difference between like, I'm not feeling awesome, and, oh, this is my gut problem and. Brad Crowell 3:22  But it still doesn't change the fact that you have to go to a doctor locally to get blood drawn or things like that, right? Lesley Logan 3:28  Yeah, you still have to go do stuff, yeah? Well, FemGevity sends something to you, but you don't have to use it, like, you have to go, like, it is annoying to go advocate yourself. It is annoying to feel like you're crazy. It's annoying to feel like you're not being listened to. But literally, if you have H. Pylori, and you let it go on its own thing, it can lead to cancer, okay? If you have other things, it can lead like you don't get to ignore your gut, you don't get to. So I'm really excited that this day has its own day, which is May 29th, and it's a world holiday. Brad Crowell 3:56  It's a world holiday. Lesley Logan 3:58  Go talk to your G.I. about your shit, like literal shit. Okay, OPC Summer Tour tickets.Brad Crowell 4:06  Don't tell us about your shit when we meet you on tour. Lesley Logan 4:09  No, please don't. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to talk about my shit. I don't want to hear about your shit. But do you want to go on the West Coast tour? The tickets are already available. I actually don't even know how many cities we're going to at the time that we're recording this, but the team does.Brad Crowell 4:22  I haven't actually. Lesley Logan 4:22  We are, here's what I do know, we are spending a fuck ton of time and money to cross the border and go to Canada. So we are finally adding an international options to our West Coast tour. And so you're going to definitely want to the other Canada stops and or I know that we're hitting when I say West Coast, I mean California, Oregon, Washington. I know that we are hoping to do Idaho and Utah. Obviously while we're recording this, I don't have it in front of me, but I do know that the tickets sell fast, because our seventh tour, which is our winter tour, our last one, had literal cities sell out in 24 hours. So go to opc.me/events to see all the locations. Next up is September. We're going to be in the U.K. We have two cities with two day events at each one, Leeds and Essex.Brad Crowell 5:06  Nineteen.Lesley Logan 5:08  19 cities? Brad Crowell 5:08  I think we're on track for 19 cities with classes. Lesley Logan 5:12  Cool. Brad Crowell 5:12  Yeah, on the Summer Tour. Lesley Logan 5:13  Okay, well, thank you. So now we're on to Essex and Leeds and so this is our business in the front, Pilates in the back event, and it's two days long. Super fun, super affordable. You get six workshops, two classes for 550 pounds. Brad Crowell 5:29  I mean, it's kind of a steal, not a lot, yeah. Lesley Logan 5:32  Yeah, it's nuts, it's insane, and it's really fun. We get to spend a lot of time together, and the space is really limited and Leeds is like (inaudible).Brad Crowell 5:38  I think it's 485 pounds, 400, it's like 500 pounds. Somewhere around. Lesley Logan 5:41  Oh, maybe it's only 500 pounds. Brad Crowell 5:42  Yeah, because this is exchange thingy, so I can't remember exactly, but. Lesley Logan 5:46  Don't, don't listen to either of us quote a price. Just go to opc.me/uk. Brad Crowell 5:51  Yes. Lesley Logan 5:51  Because the early bird is over, but they're still a deal. Because the actual events, if we were to charge you for each one by itself, is like 2000 pounds, it was something ridiculous. Brad Crowell 5:59  That's way, way, way, way, way more. So yeah. Lesley Logan 6:02  So, opc.me/uk for the Leeds event or the Essex event. Leeds only has 16 spots, and I know we only have four left at the time we're recording this and then (inaudible).Brad Crowell 6:11  And it's not just Lesley who will be teaching, it'll be me, too. I'm actually gonna be there helping out. We're gonna do a couple of business life workshops, and then we're gonna do four Pilates workshops where you're digging into actual Pilates stuff, then I'm not teaching those. And then Lesley is also going to do a couple of classes and all the things, and then we're going to hang and, you know, all of it's going to be a blast, so. Lesley Logan 6:32  It's going to be so fun. And here's the deal, if you're like, oh, I'll go to the next U.K., I'm already in talks. Brad Crowell 6:37  Literally don't know when that's going to be. Lesley Logan 6:38  Yeah, I'm already in talks with several other countries that are across the world. And to be honest, Brad and I actually do like living in Vegas. So we are no longer doing multiple 12 hour flights in a year, just like not a thing for us. So I don't know that we'll hit the U.K. in the next two years after this. Brad Crowell 6:57  Yeah, at least.Lesley Logan 6:57  Even though that Brad loves it, we'd be there for vacation and not for work. So opc.me/UK is where you get your tickets there. What else, Brad? Brad Crowell 7:04  Okay, next up we got eLevate, y'all. If you've not heard of it, it's Lesley's Pilates mentorship program. It's a nine-month program, and you should do it, because it's going to change the way that you teach in incredibly dramatic way. You're going to feel way more confident about everything. People who take this program have told us they've stopped class planning. Their voices are not shot by the end of the day. They are not afraid of a random client walking in the door that they wouldn't necessarily know what to do with or prepare for. They don't have to do those things anymore, because when you go through this program, what you're going to do is you're going to dig in to all the different pieces of equipment, okay? And you're not just like learning exercises on them, although you will do that, you will learn everything that Lesley learned from Jay Grimes over the more than 10 years she studied with him and with Sandy Shimoda. You are actually going to be connecting the dots across the pieces of equipment that is going to allow you to understand why are you doing this thing with this person on the chair? Why would you then take them over to the barrels and do this other thing over there? And then, you know, because ultimately, you're understanding what their goals are, and then you can create the path through the equipment and through the exercises for them to reach their goals. Okay, how cool is that for you to just be able to understand that and not necessarily have to, like, go hit your books and be like, oh, I can't remember what I need to do with this person. No, when you go through elevate this stuff really comes together. And the the amount of confidence that has brought the people who have finished, which at this point, we got about 50 grads and 25 more people going through it this year. It's just been overwhelming feedback and in a positive way. And we want you to come. We're gonna do just the workout. Come get you know, move with Lesley, and then hang out afterwards. We're gonna do a Q&A talk all about eLevate. We are literally more than 50% sold out for 2026 so there's not that many spots left, but to find out about when this class is going to happen, go to lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist elevatewaitlist.Lesley Logan 9:09  I love this program so much. It's so much fun, and I'm really excited because next year we are going to do the two, two rounds again. We're not going to do it for the following year. This is the last time we can really commit to doing that, mostly because we just had so many people interested. We really, really didn't want you to wait. So we opened up another section, and like Brad said, it's almost sold out. It's just one of my favorite things. I get to spend so much time with you guys, and you, the progression, and then also, when you graduate, you're in the alumni group, and then I get to and then we're still together, and I'm still watching people elevate it's just (inaudible).Brad Crowell 9:25  We actually have a smaller group inside of the alumni who all virtually get together once a week to take an OPC class together and encourage each other and just get their movement. Lesley Logan 9:51  From around the world. Brad Crowell 9:52  From around the world. It's super cool. You know, we didn't set that up. They set it up. It's awesome. Anyway you want to be at this class. Go to lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist that'll be this summer. Brad Crowell 10:04  All right, next up, we got the Pilates Income Accelerator. If you are taking money from any person to teach them anything, whether that's Pilates or yoga or whatever, probably Pilates, because of who our audience usually is, I want you to come to this free workshop that I'm doing called the Pilates Income Accelerator. Go to prfit.biz/accelerator that's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator. We're going to be covering three major secrets, about mindset, about money, about the numbers, and about marketing, and the messaging, the language you're using. We're going to be digging into those things, and then afterwards, I'm going to be able to answer questions about your business. So you can send in a question early, and I'll have it prepared so I can read through these questions and make sure everybody gets some kind of an answer here. I want you to come. It's free. You should do it. So go to prfit.biz/accelerator. Finally, Les, where are we going in October?Lesley Logan 10:59  Crowsnestretreats.com that's where we're going. We're going to our house in Siem Reap we have a lovely retreat planned for you. Oh my goodness. It's so wonderful. It's so cozy. It's a small group that can attend this event. We do Pilates five days. We go to the temples for two days. We take you to a lotus farm. We take you on a water tour. You get massages, and you also get to, like, really figure out what it is that you want when you leave, when you go home from the retreat. Brad Crowell 11:26  Yeah, so those are all what are we doing, but why would they go? Lesley Logan 11:30  Oh, I mean, because you're gonna feel like a freaking rock star when you come back, like you're actually gonna feel so good, you're gonna feel like you actually were in wonderment for a week. Wouldn't you like to get in wonderment for a week? I think so.Brad Crowell 11:43  Yeah. Wonder. Lesley Logan 11:45  Why do you think? Brad Crowell 11:46  When you think about Angkor Wat, it does create that intense curiosity, that wonder. How was it possible that they did what they did 1000 years ago, and for it to still be standing today, with all this epic, intricate carvings and all this stuff. You know, when you go on a journey like this, it's an adventure. You get to meet other amazing, adventurous people. We've also had, similar to eLevate, we've had retreaters stay connected afterwards. We've had like group retreat calls afterwards. We've had retreaters come back, bringing other people, because it was so inspirational. Lesley Logan 12:24  This coming one in October has someone from the last one, and then someone she's bringing her friend. And then last October, we had someone coming for the second year in a row, so like, just fun. Brad Crowell 12:34  Three or four times now, you know, yeah, we've had it happen over the years. Lesley Logan 12:38  It's a true like, when we hear the word retreat, it's like a true retreat. You get to really turn off what's going on in the world and focus on you and being in awe.Brad Crowell 12:47  Yeah, that's what's in it for you, y'all and you should join us. Go to crowsnestretreats.com. Before we get to Aletta, we have an audience question but. Lesley Logan 12:55  Yes, okay, I'm hijacking the questions again. Brad Crowell 12:57  Yeah, before you ask the question, I'm just gonna give it a quick preface. We spent the better part of a year building a tool that allows you to effectively have your own internal Google search situation going on through an AI tool that allows you to understand all the answers that Lesley and I have been giving to people for the past 10 years of coaching for fitness business. We call it the Pocket LL. And this tool, it was trained on 10 million words, where blog posts, webinars, courses, coaching, calls, group coaching calls, all these things where we're answering all these questions. And then we compiled it all into this insane database. And then we've got this awesome tool that you get to use when you're an Agency member. And today, we wanted to feature a question anonymously. We're not going to say the person's name, but we're going to feature a question that somebody actually asked the Pocket LL, so here you go.Lesley Logan 13:48  Yeah, so I have a problem client that gives me anxiety every time she comes in, but I owe her another six sessions in her 10 back. How do I fire her? Brad Crowell 13:57  That is, that's tough. Lesley Logan 13:58  And Pocket LL, said firing a client is never easy, but it's often necessary for your peace of mind and the health of your business. The image you see here captures an essential truth, it will never feel good to fire a client, but the sooner you take action, the fewer issues you'll have. Holding onto a problematic client can cost you more than just your sanity. It can affect your energy, your other clients and even your team. Here's how you can handle this gracefully. One, acknowledge sessions owed. You can refund the remaining six sessions or offer them to another instructor if you have one available, this ensures you're honoring the financial commitment without continuing the relationship. Two, be direct, but kind, say something like, thank you so much for working with me. I've realized that I'm no longer the best fit for your Pilates journey. I'd be happy to recommend another instructor or studio that might suit your needs better. Three, stick to your boundaries. If this client has been violating your policies or creating undue stress, don't feel obligated to explain or justify your decision. As I said before, you're not going to convince crazy. Keep it professional and move forward. I love when she quotes herself, which is me. Brad Crowell 15:00  You're not gonna convince crazy. That is amazing.Lesley Logan 15:03  I know. I mean, like I said that, so that's what I love about this. Okay. Four, prepare for pushback. Some clients may try to argue or guilt you into staying. Stay firm. Remember, you're creating space for better clients who respect your time and energy. And number five, focus on the opportunity. Once this client is gone, you'll have room for someone who uplifts you and aligns with your business values. Trust that the universe will fill that space with someone amazing. And then she always prompts with other questions. If you want to continue the conversation or you can just go start it's all good. Brad Crowell 15:32  Yep. Yeah. I mean, listening to those answers, I actually know the story behind every piece of that answer, because it's multiple conversations, over multiple calls, over multiple years, over multiple courses. And it's amazing that this, this tool is a, this search tool, is able to gather all that information and turn around and present it to you in a way that is cohesive, concise, and also you can actually use to take action. So. Lesley Logan 15:57  And it's and it's from all the years of experience of coaching thousands of businesses, and also all of my years of being and everything in this industry you could be. So I just really am so proud of the Pocket LL. And I do go through once a week and edit anything. And I'll, first, I stick with the things where people trigger an alert, because you could say avocado, if she makes sense to you. And then also I'll just go through for quality control and just read some of our answers. Sometimes I add another sentence because I'm like, oh, here's another idea. You know, now that I'm this many more years or I've helped this many more people, so it's always evolving. It's always getting better, and it's there for you no matter where you live in the world, as long as you're an Agency member. Brad Crowell 16:36  Yep, yeah. So if you're interested in what that even means, what that is, come to my free webinar like I was talking about go to prfit.biz/accelerator we will talk about Agency at the end, before I answer questions and come check it out.Lesley Logan 16:48  And then also, we'll go back to answering the questions you send in. I just wanted to hijack it because it's my podcast. Brad Crowell 16:53  I love it. I love it. All right. Well, stick around we'll be right back. We're going to dig into the conversation you have with Aletta Rochat. It was very inspirational. She is really good at bringing out excellence in people, so we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 17:09  All right. Welcome back. Let's talk about Aletta Rochat. Aletta is a public speaking coach and executive presence mentor based in Cape Town, South Africa. So an executive presence mentor, okay? She coached and trained in 21 countries, and will soon become the first woman from Africa the and only the 10th woman in 100 years to be the international president of Toastmasters International. So the 10th woman in the in what the last 100 years. She helps clients become more confident presenters by communicating with clarity, owning their presidents and reclaiming their sense of belonging. She also has been involved with Toastmasters since 2008. She has gone through all their educational material, and she's like the highest educator that they certify all the things she actually had a really great story about how she started to realize public speaking became like her survival mechanism, and then how it went on to now become her, you know, how she's supporting others succeed. I thought that was pretty cool. Lesley Logan 18:10  I also just, you know, like you like you hear, I heard about Toastmasters, like. Brad Crowell 18:14  I've heard about it so many times and I've never done, I don't even know what it was. Lesley Logan 18:16  And you kind of think like, oh, it's kind of like a Moose Club, like the Moose Lodge. Like, it's just, you know what I mean, but it's not, it's like, still going so strong, and it's helping a lot of people.Brad Crowell 18:26  She said they're in 150 countries. Lesley Logan 18:27  Yeah and it made me go all the people who are like, I need a friend. Go to fucking Toastmasters. Like, hear their stories. You'll connect. Yeah, you have to publicly speak, but you're gonna be around people.Brad Crowell 18:37  Well, she said you're guaranteed claps and guaranteed support, or you're guaranteed an audience and you're guaranteed claps. Lesley Logan 18:43  It sounds better than AA, where you also get both of those. I just think it sounds amazing. I'm so excited we're gonna highlight this. She said, "I show up differently when I think I belong." And she said that someone once told her, remember that you belong. That phrase helped her stay relaxed and be more spontaneous and likely to share her ideas. And I think that that's so important because for her to be where she's at in, in the world, but also in Toastmasters, each time she leveled up, there'd be, like, a reason to go, oh my God, who let me in here? They're gonna find out, like Maya Angelou is like, someone's gonna find out that I don't know what I'm doing. But if you remember that you belong, it changes how you show up. And you show up willing to be more yourself, which is going to allow you to connect with more people. And it's just so, so important. Brad Crowell 19:32  Well, I think also not only the vibes, the vibes are weird when you feel like you don't belong, but when you feel like you belong, you will approach the group, the conversation, the experience, in a much different way, because you're gonna participate. I mean, honestly, that's like the biggest thing. When you feel like you belong, you feel like you're allowed to participate, and if you feel like you don't belong, what do you do? You stand there and listen. You don't talk, you don't do anything. So I thought it was really, also, like, amazing that advice, hey, remember that you do belong. Remember that you do and she said, this was instantaneously a life-changing statement for her. Lesley Logan 20:11  Yeah. And so she even said, even though it wasn't a Be It Action Item yet, she said, "If you belong, how would you show up? How would you speak up?" And she says, like, it's like a fundamental building block of confidence and executive presence. And I just thought, yeah, we need to put that on our mirrors everywhere we can read them before we walk into a room where it's new for us. We're feeling a little nervous. I just thought was brilliant.Brad Crowell 20:32  I really dug in when she was talking about when to say yes, because you, you were asking her, it's like, wow, you seem willing to say yes to things. And she said, to my own detriment, sometimes I've said yes when I shouldn't have, but she said, the worst thing you could do is say yes to something that you don't want to do. And she was talking about, I think her example was like the Boy Scout troop, they asked her to do some specific role and and she said, thanks, but that's not the right role for me. I you know, she said there was nothing about it that lit me on fire, nothing that was exciting in any way to me, and to other people it might be really exciting, but for her, it wasn't. And she she said something very specific. She said when you say yes to something that you don't want to do, you literally start off building resentment from the, from day one. Lesley Logan 21:19  Yeah, she's correct. Honestly, I can look back going to the question, like, how do we fire a client? I remember taking the check going, I don't really want to teach her. And then the moment she texts me the next week, can I change my time? I'm like, like, it was, like a zero to 60 resentment, as opposed to someone I was really fired up to teach but like, oh yeah, this is your first time. We can do it, but not after that, you know. So she is 100%.Brad Crowell 21:44  Yeah, that was so poignant that she identified the resentment factor right out of the gate, you know. And we, why do we say yes to things that we don't want to do? Probably because we feel stuck, you know, like we feel like we have to. We feel like we're, you know, social pressure, guilt, money, something. There's underlying fear there that is making us do it. Could be family. That's like forcing us to do it, and it just builds that resentment. She said it should be both sides of the coin. You want to say yes because you want to do it and you also want to learn. I mean, what are the stories we tell ourselves? I have to say yes because I'm the right person for the job. I have the most experience. I just have to do it. No one else is going to do it, so I'm going to do it. These are a lot of reasons why we say yes, but we don't want to. Ultimately, it's important to offer service. I'm not arguing that we shouldn't be serving people, but even that service should be also doing something for you.Lesley Logan 22:37  Yeah, because you won't show up the same you just won't show up the same way. And I had someone who we actually really love and support in a lot of ways financially, and they'd ask me to be on a board. And if you guys have ever been around me, you know I've been on a board before I got burned. It was traumatizing. It was a whole thing. And I was like, I'll never be on an unpaid board again. And of course, I get this invite to apply. And I was like, there's a part of me is like, oh, they want me. And then I was like, oh, I can't do this. And then I was like, oh, I'm gonna let them down. I have, I know they need someone. Maybe I could do it if it's just, like, this much time a week, I was literally doing like, mental gymnastics to figure out how to say yes to the thing I already knew would not be the right thing. And then it took me forever to write up a thank you. But no, thank you. And you know what they said? We totally understand and thank you for being so honest. We don't want anyone to do this because they feel obligated, you know, and know that the door's always open if you, if anything ever changes and I was just like, oh, it could be that simple. It could be that simple. And honestly, if they'd answered any other way, I've been like, we're so disappointed. That is a fucking red flag to run away from. But if they're willing to be grateful, and you know, if they asked me, like, Who else do you do you know anyone else who could be right for this? I would have absolutely sent them some people, you know. So I just think that, like you can also see the true colors of the person if you're, if you're being authentically honest about whether you can say yes or no. Brad Crowell 24:09  I was laughing when she started to, to, she basically said, if you have helium hand, where just your hand goes up and you can't seem to stop it. I was laughing. I was like, what did she say? I literally rewound it. Listened to it twice. She said she's now learned to sit in her hands every now and again. So, good for her. And she said, you know, just make sure saying yes is not a reaction or a reflex reaction, but it's a concerted action. It's a decision that you're making. So awesome. Brad Crowell 24:37  Well anyway, great takeaways right there from Aletta. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into those Be It Action Items. Brad Crowell 24:46  All right, welcome back. Let's dig into those Be It Action Items from Aletta Rochat. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo? She said, hey, here is how you identify your superpowers, which I'm all about. She said what are the clues to your superpowers? It's what other people keep asking you for help with. What is, what is it that you are consistently asked about, like, hey, can you help me, like, prep this thing or cook this dish or organize this event or be on the board or whatever. What is the thing that you keep being asked to do? She shared that most people overlook their strength, strengths because A. they come supernaturally to you. You might not even realize that they are a strength that you have, that others don't. They often become the most powerful gifts, right? Like, my mom has the gift of gab. That's what everybody said. Wow your mom, she's amazing. She talks to everybody. She's got the gift of gab, right? Well, sometimes the gift of gab was like, my dad was like, are we ready to go? Are we ready to go? So the way that I grew up, sometimes the gift of gab was a negative thing, because it was like, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, right? And it wasn't until later that I realized that it can also be a positive thing. So sometimes we look at what actually is a strength in the wrong light.Lesley Logan 26:04  Because somebody may have told you, yeah, told you you talk too much, or you're a big jokester, or you don't take things seriously, but there's always a positive side to a coin. Brad Crowell 26:12  Yeah, and I'm not trying to do my dad a disservice there, but I called him out, that's not what I meant.Lesley Logan 26:17  If Steven listens to this. Hi, Steven. You can come visit anytime.Brad Crowell 26:30  Aletta said that somehow society, that's a very inside joke, y'all, and I don't think literally, anybody except for my family, would get that. Aletta also said somehow society has conditioned us that we tend to verbalize what we're good at saying, oh, it's nothing, no big deal. Oh, yeah, you know, glad to help. You know, but we don't actually identify that it's really a superpower. An example that I didn't understand when I was in my band in when I first moved out to L.A. and I'm like, running around getting us set up to do the get the show, I talked to the venue owner, I like, figured out the night of the week that the band could do it. We rehearsed. We had to do a bunch of rehearsals. We get in there. We made a little marketing flyer. We distributed the marketing flyer, got it out into the community. All to do what? I just wanted to play. I just wanted to play on stage, right? And so I'm doing all the things to so that I can get up on stage and play. And what I didn't understand was that doing all those things that's actually part of my superpower. I saw the path through, how do I get to the end goal, you know? And then what are the steps that we need to do to do it? And ultimately, when I, when I finally identified that this was a strength of mine by doing the Strengths Finders exam, the first time I took it in 2010, it was this mind-blowing thing, because I was like, oh, everybody doesn't do that. I thought this was just the what you just do, what you have to do. I guess. That's the way I saw it. And it wasn't until I understood that this was actually valuable that I was able to go get a job to do literally that, and that's how I got into operations instead of companies. Kind of crazy. (inaudible) Yeah, you know, she said, We trivialize it because we don't recognize this as a strength. We hold back articulating our value. We don't identify that we have something that most people might not have, and that becomes our superpower. It can, it should. When we look at it through that lens, suddenly you're like, oh, this is something I'm inherently good at, and that is really a superpower. It's amazing. Like my mom's gift of gab is a superpower. You know, figuring out a way through the chaos is my superpower. But how do you identify that? Right? Then, when you finally are able to identify that again, I do recommend Strengths Finders, Clifton Strengths, they call it now. Now you get to finally say, my superpower is x, right?Lesley Logan 28:48  Yeah. Brad Crowell 28:49  What about you? Lesley Logan 28:50  Okay, so I said it before, but I think it's real. I really love that it's back here in the Be It Action Items, just in case you need to hear it again. She said, reclaim your sense of belonging and give yourself permission to belong. Aletta urged us to reclaim the feeling of belonging if we've lost it. She emphasized, it's within our power to grant ourselves permission to belong. And once you reclaim it, start playing with it. You can start thinking and start speaking and start acting as if you belong. It might feel like you're this is like the true be it till you see it, it's gonna feel like you're acting. There was an interview that's coming out, or it may have already been out, where someone talked about how they love the podcast name, because every day, we allow actors to play a role in a movie, and we believe them, right? We believe that they are that person for that period of time. And being it till you see it is like acting as it. And so you are going to reclaim it, and you're gonna play with it. You're gonna play with belonging, all that stuff, and before you know it, you'll have played it so much that you become it. That's it. You become the person that belongs. You're giving yourself permission. So I just thought, I was like, that's a be it till you see it right there. That's why this exists. So thank you, Aletta, for being you. You're so amazing. I'm so glad we're able to make this happen. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 30:03  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 30:04  Thank you so much for listening. I hope this was really awesome for you. I really loved it. I also just love her voice. I love the way she explained things, the helium hand, like there's just so many things to go back to and listen. So please take another listen through if you haven't already, share it with a friend who needs to hear it, especially the ones who need to sit on their hands, but also the ones who need to be reminded that they belong and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 30:26  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 30:28  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:48  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the clarifying convo I had with Hilary Hartling in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to the interview, feel free to pause this, listen to that one, then come back and listen to this one, or listen to this one and then go see if you like the same takeaways we liked. You can do whatever order you want. It's quite fun. Brad Crowell 1:12  Hilary is amazing. Lesley Logan 1:13  I just fucking love her. Brad Crowell 1:14  Yeah. And honestly. Lesley Logan 1:15  You are, if you, if you, we'll get into it in a second, but just like if you to stop, pass and go in this moment on of this episode, you should go, if you have a business, you have to, well, if people just want to stop listening, they could go. They just need to know this real quick before they stop listening, which now they probably stopped. But if they have, they're still here, you have your own business, you have to, like, work with Hilary at some point,like, she's just a fucking badass. And she's, like, so humble about it. Like a hundred box office situation. We'll get to that in a second.Brad Crowell 1:46  It was just 70 something, 75, you know, top box office movie releases, and she basically did the messaging for the marketing team. Lesley Logan 1:55  Yeah, actually she's a bad ass. Brad Crowell 1:56  Kicking ass. Lesley Logan 1:57  Today is May 22nd 2025 and it's Harvey Milk Day. On May 22nd, we honor the life and legacy of Harvey Milk, the first openly gay politician in California and a leader of the American Civil Rights Movement. Time magazine included Harvey Milk on a list titled The 100 Most Important People in the 20th Century. Milk was not only an advocate for the LGBT community, but all for all minorities. He believed in safe, strong neighborhoods and supported public education, affordable child care and equal rights for all. Just right there, we have more to go, but it pisses me off he's fucking dead, because just imagine if he'd lived longer, we probably would have had all those things a lot sooner. But anyway. Brad Crowell 2:33  And this was 1978, we are almost 50 years later and still fighting for the same goddamn things. Lesley Logan 2:40  Sometimes some of us are fighting for the ones we had already. Elected to the position of city supervisor in San Francisco, he held office for one year before his life was tragically cut short in 1978 by a political rival who opposed Milk's liberal views. Harvey Milk's contributions to the cause of equality for all people has been recognized in a number of ways, including the issuance of a stamp with his picture on it, the posthumanist award of the Medal of Freedom and the creation of a holiday in his memory. Harvey Milk Day was officially established as a holiday in 2009 when Arnold Schwarzenegger, then the, then governor of California, signed it into law. Although Milk died, his work continues today through the work of the Harvey Milk Foundation, founded by his nephew, Stuart Milk, in honor of his uncle. I just want to say, if you actually want to go even deeper on this, there's a great movie, I believe, with Sean Penn. And then if you also want to know more, you should listen to the You're Wrong About episode about the Twinkie defense, because the man who murdered him used the Twinkie defense to not have the death penalty. And so I just w ant, like, it's a really, it's also.Brad Crowell 3:49  The Twinkie defense was basically that processed foods and sugar jacked him up to the point where he committed murder. That's just, like, high level summary of it. Lesley Logan 3:58  And side note, I just listened to an entire podcast where there's a scientist who's actually trying to prove that processed food is changing people's minds, and they're actually discovering not in the way that we think. Anyways. I mean, I'm a little upset about it, mostly because I just hate when amazing people are murdered and then other assholes find an asshole way to get away from it. So go learn about Harvey Milk and on this day and do something in your community that can support those in the LGBTQ DEI communities because they need your help. They need people to stand up, people like you. Lesley Logan 4:28  Okay, you guys, we literally just announced Summer Tour. We just did it. Actually it was about a week ago. So tickets have been selling really fast. Brad Crowell 4:37  Like super fast. Lesley Logan 4:38  And here's the deal. Our winter tour, we had several cities sold out in 24 hours, and a ton of cities sold out in the first week. So if you if this is the first time you're hearing about the Summer Tour. Brad Crowell 4:47  Lo Santo, get on it. Lesley Logan 4:48  Yeah, run. Don't walk to opc.me/events and snag a spot. We're doing west coast. We're also, holy fucking moly, going into Canada. And because of all the shenanigans going on, we are filling out intense paperworks, paying lots of money to get our van and our cute dog across the border so we can teach in three cities in Canada. Brad Crowell 5:11  And ourselves. Lesley Logan 5:12  And ourselves. Yes, yes. Brad Crowell 5:13  All the paperwork, all the paperwork, all. Lesley Logan 5:16  There's a lot. So we want to see you. We especially want to see you in Canada. So get your, get your classes, too. One or two, Canadians. Maybe come to two of them. So opc.me/events. The Mullet Tour is our business in the front Pilates in the back, two day event. It is in the U.K., and it is at opc.me/uk. We have a Leeds location and an Essex location. By the time we're recording this, Leeds has four spots left, and Essex is half sold out. So here's the deal. Probably you're looking at Essex only, but just go and look and see. Space is super limited in both and you don't have to be a Pilates teacher to go. Just be a Pilates lover, especially in Essex, the two business, in air quotes, workshops are actually life workshops, and so they're super, super fun. Lesley Logan 6:04  And then I am hosting an eLevate workout and Q&A really soon, it's going to be this summer. So if you've been hearing about eLevate, you're not really sure, if you're a teacher, comprehensively trained teacher, and you would like to teach a little bit more like me and have less talking in your words. Or if you want to have more confidence, what, you explain it, you're looking at me like I'm making shit up.Brad Crowell 6:29  I'm super laughing at you. Yes, you would be teaching more like Lesley, but that's not. Lesley Logan 6:33  You'll still teach like you. Brad Crowell 6:34  The reality, the reality is that Lesley learned what from Jay Grimes for about 10 years. More than 10 years, she's passing on everything she learned to you during this program. It's a nine-month program. It is going to cover all the different pieces of equipment and literally hundreds of exercises that Lesley has learned. And also we're going to connect you with some other amazing, epic, epic, epic Pilates people from around the world during this program. Literally, you've had people find their new best friend they never knew they they didn't have. So. Lesley Logan 7:06  It's really quite fun. Brad Crowell 7:07  It's super, super cool. And then after that, you'll be able to call yourself a third generation teacher. You'll actually understand what to do with anybody that walks through the door. You can stop class planning. You can stop talking as much while, while you're teaching. I don't know why we pick up these habits along the way. Not that I'm a teacher, but it is the biggest confidence booster. That's the biggest feedback we get, is the amount of confidence that's boosted. So anyway, eLevate is awesome. And literally, we've already started filling 2026's group. So.Lesley Logan 7:34  2026 is more than half filled. Brad Crowell 7:36  Yes, literally, more than half filled. And there's not going to be that many spots. So join this waitlist now, when we do this big event, we're gonna do a class, we're all gonna hang out, we can answer questions about it. Is it the right thing for you? Is the timing right? All those kinds of things, you know, how does it all work? Everything. Go to lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist, elevate waitlist. Okay?Lesley Logan 7:56  And next, Brad, what else do we have? Brad Crowell 7:58  Yeah, hey, if you are making money by teaching Pilates in any way, I want you to come to my free Pilates income accelerator, okay, it's an income accelerator, so it's applicable to anybody who's taking money from clients, okay, or getting paid as a teacher, and you're eventually hoping to take clients at home or somewhere else, or whatever. This program has been incredibly beneficial to I mean, I've been doing similar webinar now, workshop now for, like, more than almost a year, and we're going to be covering the three biggest secrets that Lesley and I have learned after coaching more than 2500 people just like you, who are teaching people and getting paid for it. So I want, if you want to accelerate your income with Pilates, go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator and come join me for free. It's really great. So, finally, Les, what are we doing? Lesley Logan 8:52  Lastly, but not leastly, you need to come to our retreat this summer in Siem Reap. You need to come. crowsnestretreats.com is where you can get the information. But, I'm telling you, we have a lot of people like, oh, I'm gonna go next one. I'm gonna go to the next one. There is never a perfect year to take yourself on an international trip. Everything feels overwhelming. And I promise you, I promise you, this retreat is the least overwhelming thing you'll ever do, because once you land on that at the airport in Siem Reap, we pick you up. We have someone who takes care of you. You don't have to worry about anything. The whole trip is planned. We actually make sure you get to see all the things that people want to see, all the things people didn't know they should see, all the, all of the things. It is the most amazing schedule of a retreat ever. And we get to hang out together in this really close-knit group. We're like a family. If you really want to hang out with me in person, the best thing you can do is go on a retreat, because you literally get to hang out with me all day, every day, and we do Pilates, and we do breath work, and we do a ton of other stuff. So it's kind of amazing. Brad Crowell 9:47  You know? So, okay, so we were in Thailand. We were in Northern Thailand, and we went to Chiang Rai, and while we were there, we did a tour. Now, I am averse to tours. That's not my jam. I prefer to figure it out on my own. I want to walk around the city by myself and just like experience the city and feel it. And the reality is that I was feeling overwhelmed, and I knew this vacation was coming, and I was really looking forward to the vacation, but I ran out of time to literally learn all the cool potential things that I might want to do in Chiang Rai and then weigh them against each other and check our schedule and map out my own plan, which is what I normally love to do. I love to get my hands dirty. Lesley Logan 10:29  That's why we do these tours, guys, because he plans every part. Brad Crowell 10:32  So yeah, it was so much to try to comprehend with just whatever was happening in my life that we asked around and we found a tour group that we could go with that effectively planned out an entire day. We did like, eight or 10 things, and I'm not gonna lie, it was fucking long, but it was really nice, because we had someone who could explain what was actually going on. Then we would stop at the place for an hour, we walk around and check it out, and come back and and I, for the first time in my life, since I was like, 18, because that's the last time I did that kind of a thing. I was like, You know what? This is really helpful. You know why? Because I didn't have to plan the damn thing. So that is exactly what Cambodia is for you. You don't have to plan it.Lesley Logan 11:09  Our Cambodia, specifically. Brad Crowell 11:11  Yeah, when you come to the retreat with us, you don't have to plan anything. We literally take care of all of it for you. And I'll tell you right now it is, we have now done, Lesley and I have led over 20 retreats, 21 retreats over the years, not all in Cambodia, but we are really good at what we do now, because we've just got so many reps under our belt. We now have mapped out this specific Cambodia retreat in a way that is just, it's like butter, it's amazing, and I'm so proud of it. And I'm telling you, you're going to get there and be like, I felt like I had enough free time. I got a chance to do some adventure stuff. I still felt safe. I ate amazing food. I met cool people. There's something exciting about being in another city, in another country, and all the things, and we really want you to come join us. So, do that. Go to crowesnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com. Before we keep going, though, Les, we had an audience question, and this time we're gonna switch it. You're gonna read the question. Lesley Logan 12:07  I'm reading it. So this is actually so what we thought to just mix it up for this week. If you hear about Agency and you hear about the Lesley bot, or the pocket Lesley, or whatever we're calling it right now, you might be like, I don't understand what that means, because you can't see it. Brad Crowell 12:21  Agency is Profitable Pilates, y'all, so our coaching group where we coach Pilates business instructors, yeah. Lesley Logan 12:27  Yeah. So I thought it'd be fun. I'm going to keep their name anonymous, because I, that would be the right thing to do, but we had somebody ask the pocket Lesley. This person also lives in a different country, so when this came in, technically, I was, like, very much asleep. And so this is so fun for me to see, because I actually do read what comes through, mostly what's alerted, but also i'll just like, you know, just like, out of quality control and curiosity, I'll go through some of the others and to see if I'm like, I like that answer. So this person wrote, they're an Agency member, and they put into the Pocket Lesley, hi, Lesley, how can I get private clients for one-on-one sessions? And Pocket Lesley wrote back right away, by the way, she's so fucking quick and her grammar is better than mine. To attract private clients for one-on-one sessions, the key is to combine clarity in your offerings with proactive outreach. Here's how you can get started. One, refine your message. Make sure your website and social media clearly communicate who you are as an instructor, and the benefits of private sessions with you. High level, it makes you unique, whether it's your expertise in a specific area, like posts where you have Pilates, or your ability to tailor sessions to individual goals. If your messaging is too broad, it won't resonate with your ideal clients. And then the Lesley, pocket Lesley cited two sources in Profitable Pilates that's in the curriculum or elsewhere, so that this person could actually go dig into just refining your message. Number two, leverage, current clients. Your existing clients are your best marketers. Ask them to refer friends or family who might benefit from private sessions. You could even offer an incentive, like an intro session for the referer or for the new client. That one also has sources. Number three, network locally. During your downtime, visit local businesses, introduce yourself. For example, if you teach near a coffee shop or gym, strike up conversation with people there. Share what you do and invite them to try a session. Building relationships in your community can lead to valuable referrals, more sources cited within your Profitable Pilates curriculum and community. Literally, I know you're like, I'm shy. I don't care if you're shy, you are the person who's gonna help people, okay? Number four, partner with complimentary businesses. Think about where your ideal clients spend their time. Partner with businesses like physical therapy clinics, yoga studios or even golf courses. Offer special promotion for their clients, like an introductory private session. This not only gets your name out, but also positions you as a trusted expert. Also more sources on that. Number five, this is the last one, optimize your online presence and show you're easily found online. If someone searches Pilates in your area, your website should be near the top of the results. Simple SEO tweaks can make a big difference. If this feels overwhelming, I can guide you further. It also cites a source. Which takes you to a course that's in your curriculum that you have access to as an Agency member, which helps you write copy that converts. So, you know, like all of that's her. Then she goes on to ask her more stuff. And this person was able to have, continue to have a conversation. But I share that with you because I think it's really like, you're like, I don't know, I don't know how, like, I don't want to talk to like, not Lesley. You were literally talking to me. It's just, it's an AI version of me who's been trained on 10 million of my words over 10 years of coaching calls and courses and webinars. Oh, my God, so many things. Brad Crowell 15:33  Like, so much content. Lesley Logan 15:34  And so what's really cool is you don't have to wait for my response, because if you wait, then you have to wait for my response, and then you could lose two days or three days, you could been working on getting, attracting those one-on-one clients. So I hope it was fun to kind of hear what's happening behind the scenes with the Pocket Lesley, if you are an Agency member, obviously we love answering your questions, so you can just send them in. But I wanted to just override that this is.Brad Crowell 15:58  Yeah, I love that. And if you're wondering what the heck is Agency? Come to the Accelerator that I was talking about, the income accelerator, prfit.biz/accelerator. But at the end of that, we talk about what is Agency. And then I also answer your questions live. So any question about your business there, we can talk about it, but we can also, you know, dig in a little bit more on what is the Pocket LL, and how does it all work. It's really fun. Lesley Logan 16:19  So you don't have to be tech savvy to use her. It's like texting with a friend, and that friend just happens to be really smart around your business. Brad Crowell 16:27  That's true. Stick around, we'll be right back. We're gonna dig into this epic conversation that you just have with Hilary Hartling in just a minute. Brad Crowell 16:36  Welcome back, everybody. Let's talk about Hilary Hartling. Hilary is a brand and messaging strategist for mission-driven entrepreneurs who want to captivate the right clients with clarity and confidence. With 15 years of experience at Disney as a marketing executive, Hilary blends big brand insights with soul-aligned strategy to help business owners stand out. Through her signature programs, she helps clients find their voice and embody their purpose and create a brand that's both impactful and magnetic. And I think she still may hold the record for the most webinars for our coaching group. Lesley Logan 17:13  I think so. Brad Crowell 17:14  She might be tied with Monica, four, five. Lesley Logan 17:18  I feel like we've had Hilary one more time than Monica, but I learned from her every single time. Her last one was the best one. She's just, she's gold. You know, we've always talked about having an ideal client avatar. You hear that all the time, and she's like, they need to be a real person. And so it's an ideal real person client avatar, and she's just, she teaches so much, and she's really, truly great, no matter how big your business is. So one of the things that I love, that she said, is every brand has an energy to it. Every business owner has an energy, and that is what radiates out. She explained that when you harness your own energy and articulate your most authentic self, that's when you captivate your audience. And she called it a reciprocal energy flow, where what you put out is what you attract back. And this is important. This is and I have experienced this in my life, the minds and beliefs you have around your brand reflect in your audience response. If you were feeling like shit about your business. And then you wonder, when everyone's piling on and making your, you feel like more shit. It's because that's what you're putting out. You know, like, that's what you're putting out there. And so she emphasized that brand energy isn't about features, but how people feel when they engage with your business. So a lot of times, you get really excited about the features and all the different things that your business does, but you're not actually talking about how people are going to feel. Brad Crowell 18:34  Yeah. 100% this is the most clear example. Hey, y'all Pilates class starts at six, right? That's the messaging. Instead of, hey, you know, when you take a class here, you're going to feel amazing, right? Way different thing, like, Pilates class starts at six. Do I even want to go? Who are you? What's in it for me? Why? Okay, great. I know Pilates, but that's not compelling enough. Whereas it's like, oh, you know a place where you'll find Zen, community and energy, you know, like something like that, when you're, when you're when you're painting the picture of what they're, they're gonna get, what they're gonna feel when they engage with you. It's totally different. Lesley Logan 19:12  Go from exhausted to on fire, you know, like or whatever, and you but you have to use the words and the feelings that your people want. They might not want to feel like a rock star. They might want to feel Zen, or they might not want to feel Zen, that word might make him feel tired, so like you got to know them a bit. But I just really love that she brought it back to us as the business owner. We have to focus on how our mindset is around our business, so that we are actually attracting the people we really want to engage with.Brad Crowell 19:38  Yeah, I really loved when she was talking about consistency. She said it's one of the pieces that creates the magic for your brand. Consistency is one of the pieces that creates magic for your brand. She explained that not everyone is consistent, and obviously that is your edge. Just keep putting one's foot in front of the other, one step at a time. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. You know, we've talked about the overnight success thing before, which we, is obviously hilarious. You're a 10-year overnight success. But how did they do that? They did that because they just maintained they were consistent. Also, when you're consistent, one of the big pluses is that you stay in front of your audience. You stay at the top of their mind. You're putting out that email like daily emails have the least unsubscribes, right? Daily, weekly, if you're monthly, that doesn't feel consistent, even though you know you're just sending one a month, they're gonna look at and be like, who's that person again? I can't remember. When you're top of mind, people immediately think of you. It's one of the ways that you can be, quote-unquote, become known, but on your own list, right? You're staying known in their lives, wherever they are, as opposed to getting known in your community, which is obviously just as important. It's just that's in real life, out and about where this is, like the newsletter examples on your list, but when people are ready to buy they're going to be like, oh yeah, I wanted to do that Pilates thing, and they're going to be like, oh well, I've been following such and such Pilates person, and I'll just go back and get the most recent email, because they know where it is, right? And she said that showing up, you don't need to be like a rocket scientist or like the the most prolific Pilates teacher in the world in order to build a business, because when you're consistent, you don't have to be this big, flashy speaker, this big person in front of the room all the time to get people's attention. Just by being consistent, you can, you can stay connected to them. So, yeah, I love that. I thought that was amazing. Lesley Logan 21:28  Yeah. I just, I mean everything. If you, if you're listening to this and you haven't listened to her, you should go listen to her. And you have to listen to her, her other one with us, because, like, it's kind of amazing. They're different, and they build on each other, and you'll see exactly how consistent she is and like what she believes. Brad Crowell 21:45  Yep. All right, well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into those, be it action items that we got from Hillary in just a minute. Brad Crowell 21:53  All right, welcome back. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Hilary Hartling, I'm going to jump in first. She echoed Simon Sinek, and she said, people don't buy what you do. They buy why you do it, right? They don't buy what you do. They buy why you do it. So if they are buying, why you do it, but you're talking about what you do, you're missing it. You're disconnected from them, right? You need to be talking about why you do it, or why they should be doing it, the why. It's all about the why, right? Your brand needs to express what you believe in, not just what you sell features, you know, and the features or the process, right? So that's where, when we are sitting down with new people to figure out, who am I supposed to be talking to, we start internally first. What is your mission here? What is your vision for your business? What is your mission? Why are you doing this? Why, why, why are you doing this? Right? What are your values? How do we figure those things out? And then who are we trying to connect to that's probably going to really resonate with those things. The language that you use when you're out there talking to people is the secret sauce, y'all, in marketing. It's all about the language you use. How do we figure out that language? We got to figure out these other things first. What is your mission, vision, values? Who is it that you're trying to talk to? What are the things that they connect with? How do we take all of that information and then boil that down into your we call it an I help statement. You know, it's like an elevator pitch. It's like, how do you concisely say something but still make it attractive to them? So you know, it really does start with your why. She talked about the Disney story about marketing the movie called The Rookie. She's like, it's not just a baseball movie, right? Even though, clearly it's about baseball, she said it's actually a story about second chances and never giving up, right? Consistency, tenacity, determination, all those kinds of things. It happens to be surrounded by baseball. But the story is actually about, you know, the success of after being consistent, right? And she said, when you, when you start to identify these things, let's make the parallel. It's not about baseball. It means it's not about the Pilates. It's not about the Pilates. Y'all. It's about it's a story about second chances and never giving up. Their Pilates journey with you could be about carving out time for themselves that from their chaotic life, like treating themselves first. It could be about building that strength. It could be about making sure that they can play with their kids or grandkids, you know, if they're aging. Or it could be about whatever the story is for them. Maybe they're an avid golfer and they blew out their knee and they need rehab, right? So it's not about the Pilates, y'all, it's about the thing in that's that brought them to do the Pilates. Obviously you need to be good at teaching Pilates, but that's not the ultimate point, so.Lesley Logan 24:42  And if you're not a Pilates instructor, listen to this, it's whatever you do. Insert that word there. Brad Crowell 24:46  Yeah, it could be yoga. It could be rehab, pyro. Lesley Logan 24:49  You don't even have to be in business to really understand that you yourself are like a brand. If you like to host people over. It's not you have to sell people to come in to your dinner. But when you're consistent, it makes it so much easier for you to do the thing that you love, which is like hosting people for dinner, you know, so it applies to everyone. My biggest takeaway is that she really tied branding back to the, to intuition. So for my woo-woo folks, this part's for you. She said, when you're in your flow, you only attract what you want. You become a magnet for the best people, opportunities and growth. Her advice is, figure out what excites you and follow it. When you wake up excited you are in your flow. And this is so true, because actually, the worst night's sleep, I slept so hard for four hours in the night dreaming that I need to be up. It was a little I don't know why anyways, but I was so excited for the day that I was having, even though I was like, oh my God, I really need to take a nap, and there's no time today, I woke up excited, and I started with my day, and I, like, did all the things, and here we are talking middle of the day, which would be a prime nap time, and it's not going to work out for me, but I am so excited. I'm in flow because I'm doing what my intuition is wanting. I'm doing the things that, like, really call me. She also advised not to wait for perfection, because it can't be perfect unless you put it out there to get feedback from your ideal clients. So you will never make anything perfect without it actually going out into the world getting feedback, you tweaking it, you putting it back out there. It's just how, it's, nothing, sorry, guys, nothing is ever done. It just keeps getting better.Brad Crowell 26:20  It, yeah, I mean, it's the fail faster mentality, right? You know, the reality is that when you wait for it to be ready, quote-unquote, you know, or you to be ready, quote-unquote, you will never be ready. You'll never be ready, right? And so then what ends up happening is you're preparing, preparing, preparing, preparing for years, but you never pull the trigger, as it were, you never actually take that step to get out there. And the people who take that step when they're not feeling ready are the people that move forward, moving forward right? Otherwise you're, you're hoping that it's going to happen, but you're not actually doing it, right? So, I totally agree. You know, perfectionism, it is such a roadblock. It's such an obstacle, and it holds us back. Brad Crowell 27:07  Yeah, it's really holding a lot of people back. It's holding people from seeing your authentic self. So, thank you, Hilary, for reminding us to go with our intuition and follow our authenticity and go back to what's the feeling. You're so amazing. You guys, go check her out.Brad Crowell 27:20  By the way, she has, like, a really awesome meditation situation. She's got a guided meditation that helps you, in 20 minutes, start to identify some of the main language that you should be using to support your clients or attract those clients. I think we put the link in the last episode, but we can also put the link in this episode too. Lesley Logan 27:40  So good. Brad Crowell 27:40  So go check that out. We love Hilary Hartling. She is amazing. Lesley Logan 27:44  We almost just named her Harling. Hilary Hartling. You guys, thank you so much for being here. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 27:52  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 27:53  I hope this really, truly helps you in the next steps to being it till you see it. So if you have any questions, feedback, anything like that, make sure you send it in to us and make sure you share this to the friend who needs to hear it. Right? That's how this podcast grows, but also this is how everyone around you becomes better and better and better and makes it more fun to be with your friends. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 28:10  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 28:11  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 28:54  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 28:59  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 29:03  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 29:10  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 29:14  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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In this solo episode, Brad Crowell shares his deep-rooted passion for Cambodia, how he and Lesley Logan built a retreat space in Siem Reap, and why they keep returning year after year. From the breathtaking temples of Angkor Wat to their partnership with a local NGO empowering young Cambodians, Brad reflects on creating a place for healing, learning, and connection. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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Angkor Thom is one of the few carveouts in the UNESCO portfolio, or, as it were, that they don't have to do that because the trees are 400 years old, 500 years old. They've grown on top of the temple there. And basically, if they were to take the trees off, the temple would fall apart.Lesley Logan 0:32  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Brad Crowell 1:11  All right. Welcome back Be It babes. This is Brad here. Solo episode today. Hope you like the sound of my voice, because I'm just going to be rambling a little bit about my favorite topic in the entire world, going to Cambodia to spend time with the people there and enjoy some food there and go see the majestic, wonderful temples of Angkor Wat. It is obviously something I'm incredibly passionate about. You've heard me talk about it many, many times in this pod, if you're a listener. If you are brand new, welcome, welcome. We love having you joining us here on the Be It Pod. Cambodia, everybody always asks, hey, why Cambodia? Why? Right? Well, that's definitely my fault. The reality is, my mom bought at a yard sale. She bought, like, 10 years of National Geographic magazines for, I don't know, well, I don't know, I have no idea, I was like 10 years old, or 12 years old or something. Anyway, I opened up the very first one I remember, because I'm sure I looked at a lot, but the one I remember more than any other was opening up this, like, entire spread of Angkor Wat, right? And I didn't even know how to pronounce it at the time. I was a really young kid. But what I can tell you is I was way into dinosaurs, The Jungle Book and Transformers as a child, and when I saw this 10-page spread, or the spread of Angkor Wat in Nat Geo, this was like the Jungle Book in real life to me, and I was so excited about this, the curiosity that it inspired in me literally stayed with me until Lesley asked me, like, I don't know, 20 plus years later, hey, where do we want to go for our honeymoon? And my response instantly was, we're going to Cambodia.Brad Crowell 3:05  You know, and she's like, um, really, we're going to Cambodia. Why would we do that? Can we also go to Thailand? Can we also go to Japan? And I was like, of course, let's do those other things, too. But we have to go to Cambodia. I have to see Angkor Wat. I have to see the temples and the jungle temples. And you know, since then, I've been inspired a number of other times. I'm sure you're all aware that Angelina Jolie's version of Tomb Raider was actually filmed at the temples. It was filmed at Ta Prohm temple. That's, like, a really cool temple. It's actually really close to Angkor Wat. It's like, I don't know, 10 minutes away or 15 minutes away from Angkor, and so we have had a chance to go see that one. We saw the Angkor. We saw a temple called Bayon Temple, which actually they considered the, you know, at the time, because what's so cool about the history of Cambodia was a massive empire, is called the Khmer empire, K-H-M-E-R, Khmer Empire, and it covered all of Vietnam up into Lao, Laos, you know, Lao over into Thailand. It's very influenced by India, very influenced by the Thai, and then obviously, what was considered Cambodia today. So it was this massive, massive place. And Angkor was in the middle, and there's a city there, and the city is like fortified, there's a moat around the whole thing. It's this huge city, and in the very center of that city is Bayon Temple. And so they actually consider Bayon temple the center of the universe. They consider the center tower all the way up at the top to be like this pinnacle place that had a spiritual meaning. And the amount of wonder that Angkor inspires in me keeps me going back. Brad Crowell 4:42  When Lesley and I first went in 2016, we realized when we got home we loved Thailand, we loved Japan, but there was something magical about Cambodia that made us go, how do we go back? How do we go back? And that was the beginning of trying to figure that out. We try to figure out, how do we go? What do we need to do to get back there? Initially, we were like, hey, let's ask all of our friends and they'll come with us. This is gonna be super cool. And they were like, yeah, we're interested. But it never came to fruition, right? It was like, oh, yeah, maybe, we're not sure. Couldn't get anybody to actually commit. Lesley went back to her clients and said, is this ever been on anybody's bucket list going to Angkor? We are thinking about hosting a retreat there. And literally, like a dozen of her clients were like, yes, we're in, absolutely, let's do it. And we figured out a window of time that would work for everyone, and we gave ourselves roughly a year to put it all together, because we didn't know anybody. We had one contact there, and that was our tour guide. And so he was super generous. He was just a really helpful connector. And he helped guide us through figuring out, like, who should we talk to for hosting the retreat? And, you know, just all the things, any kind of question. And it was just lovely to have him. So a big shout out to Stephane De Greef and a big thank you to him. Eventually, when he decided to leave Cambodia and move over to Panama and then wherever he's at now, he contacted me and said, hey, man, I'm leaving, but let me introduce you to everybody that I know. And he did. He opened his Rolodex and just introduced us to all these different people there. And it was incredible. Brad Crowell 6:16  So we had the chance to go back in 2017 for our very first trip with Lesley's clients, and we rented a yoga shala. And the shala was really, really awesome. The people were really lovely. And so we decided to rent it again, and we run another group, and we rented a third time, and the third time, the experience just didn't work. It wasn't what we wanted. And it was actually frustrating, because when Lesley and I turned to ourselves and we were like, hey, maybe we should go get a hotel from our own retreat, we were like, yeah, we can't do this anymore. We got to find a better solution. And that's when we decided to go get our own place, right? And so now we'd been there four times at this point, and we just had a bunch of people that we knew. We reached out to them and said, hey, we're looking for a spot. How do we do this? And they helped connect the dots and help us get going. And basically it turned into this hunt for the right spot, the right place for us to take over and turn into ours. And in 2018 that happened, and it was so exciting. I remember flying back, it was really quick too, like, we got this message from our real estate person. They were like, hey, I think I actually found the right spot. And they gave us all these reasons why, and they really understood our mission and our vision. They really understood what we were trying to do. And they said, we actually like the people that you would be working with to do this, because we're not Cambodian. We can't actually own the land. We're not allowed. We're not a citizen, so we have to have a relationship with people who do own the land there, and they're literally our land lord, and we pay them as if it's like a lease, but we own all the things on it. We own a business there. We have a team there, all that stuff. And so he said, I actually think these people are going to be amazing, and they encourage people coming to visit Cambodia, and they care about it, and they're passionate about it, and so they're right. It was amazing. We met them. They were incredibly gracious and lovely, and we've had, at this point, many, many, many years of building a relationship with them. They're just awesome people, and we absolutely lucked out in that regard. And what we did is we took over this property that has a 12 bedroom apartment complex on it, and allowed us to begin to have our own place to bring you know, people from all around the world to come visit and have a safe, secure, clean, fun place. It's also quiet. We're right off the beaten path. We're like 10 minutes walk from the chaos of Pub Street and wow, like all the loud, but we're far enough away that you don't hear it. We're close enough to walk, but far enough away that it doesn't actually impact you. So it's so awesome. From the place we're like, maybe, oh, I don't know, 15 minutes drive to the Temple of Angkor Wat, which is the largest religious structure in the world. It is still functioning today. They absolutely use it for religious ceremonies and stuff. There's a mix of Hinduism and Buddhism in the way that, it's primarily Buddhist today. You know, you can still find other religions there. There's some Christianity, there's some Muslim faiths there. Primarily it's Buddhist, but the history of the country is a mash up of Hinduism and Buddhism because of war, right? It would be like invaded and then, you know, taken over and taken back and back and forth and all this stuff. And so consequently, there's actually a lot of history that was destroyed by the invading army. They'd come in and break all the statues, and then, you know, the other they build theirs. And then these guys would come back, and it would go back and forth over the centuries that that kind of thing happened. And what's so amazing is all of that is still there. It is available to be seen. It is just the most mind-bending thing when you get there and you're like, this is a thousand years old. This statue that I'm looking at here, they carved this. How did they do this? How did they move the stone? How did they even get this here? Like, how did they think this stuff up? Is it is so mind-blowing to me, because it's exactly in line with the stars and meridian lines and longitude and latitude, the amount of science and thought and understanding of architecture and structural integrity and the building materials and the process of doing it, it is so incredibly thought through and advanced. And then the art itself, the carvings, the planning, how could they have thousands of meters of wall? And it's not a repeat carving anywhere in the entire thing. It's all unique. Every single person in that that's carved into the wall is like, different from the person next to it. You know, it's amazing. It's just incredible. And they spent, I don't know, I think it was a couple decades to build Angkor Wat, like 30 plus years or something. But every time I go, I see something new. Every single time I go, I see something new. Brad Crowell 10:43  And so when we go, what we love to do is take our guests through the temples in a way that you would not normally go if you were to just show up and hire a typical tour guide, tuk guide kind of a thing. You'll see the big three, you know, you'll go to the city of Angkor Thom. You'll actually go to Angkor Wat, of course, which is the temple itself. You'll go to Bayon Temple, usually, and maybe one other place. So whatever one they'll probably take you to the jungle temple Ta Prohm, like I was saying that Angelina Jolie filmed at because that's a really mysterious temple as well, with this epic trees that have grown over top of the temple. In fact, Angkor Thom is really cool because this is a UNESCO heritage site now. And normally, if it's a UNESCO heritage site, they are required to, slowly, over time, rebuild the whatever the structure is to be as if it was the original structure, right? Angkor Thom is one of the few carve-outs in the UNESCO portfolio, as it were, that they don't have to do that, because the trees are 400 years old, 500 years old, they've grown on top of the temple there. And basically, if they were to take the trees off, the temple would fall apart. And so they got this exception to keep the everything as it is right now. And that makes it even more cool. I mean, it's just, it's so amazing. So when everybody arrives on Sunday night, we we just hang out. We do like class, we get some food, we usually go get a massage, and then the next morning, we get up and we have class, and then we have the morning off, because after lunch, we all hop on our tour bus and we go see a series of temples. We go to the south gate at Angkor Thom, we go see a pagoda. A pagoda is like a place of worship for monks today, it's kind of like a church, but it's usually open air, open-walled, right? So it's just like a covered building, generally. Sometimes they're, they've got walls and everything, too. But these pagodas that are inside of Angkor Thom are open-aired. And so we go see this pagoda, and there's like monks actually practicing there. And it's really neat to see the community still lives there, and they still do life there, right? So, and then we go in to Bayon Temple, and we go, from there, we might be able to go up to see Angkor or the elephant terrace, which is this like place where the king today still will go up to Angkor and you know, he will have a big ceremony once a year there. The royal family goes there. And then from there, we'll go to the north gate, and we'll see the different gates that they have. And they're all unique. They're all, you know, the similar concept, but they're all unique. And of course, the vegetation, the trees are different, the views are different, all that. Then we'll go out the east gate, and we'll go over and see Ta Prohm, right? Along the way, we'll stop at another place, Chau Say Tevoda, which is a smaller temple that was like, considered a library. There were twin temples there. So there's one on one side of the road, one on the other, the one is in way better shape than the the other side. So we always go to the one that actually is, like in repair. You know, maybe we walk through the jungle a little bit there. And, you know, there's, like, usually there's monkeys, which are not your friend, but they're usually there, too. We get a chance to go through and peek into the past. That is just mind-blowing. And my favorite part of going to Cambodia, well, one of my favorite parts, to be honest, because I really can't pick, is being able to go explore these temples. And there's just something that is so otherworldly about it, because you don't see this in the United States, right? You don't find this stuff, probably not even up in Canada. You might see something comparable in Europe, but it's different, right? The massive cathedrals in Europe could be like, 1000 years old too, but it's not the same as it being like, overtaken by the jungle and then carved out after they re-, quote-unquote, rediscovered it in the, you know, 1860s basically, a French guy discovered it in the 1860s again and brought it back to light in western civilization. And then the French actually occupied Cambodia for like, 100 years. And it wasn't until 1960s that Cambodia became Cambodia. Before that, it was an occupied territory of from the French, and it got its independence in the 60s. Brad Crowell 14:45  The second thing that is just amazing is the food. In Cambodia, they don't cook with milk or dairy products. There's no cheese. It's not standard. They also are generally light on the sauces, right? It's not like Thai food. Where everything has its own sauce, and it's half sauce and half whatever the dish is. It's different than that. They make a lot of curries, like I mentioned, it is, you know, a lot of influence from India and Thailand. There are a lot of noodle dishes, but there's a lot of rice dishes, and it's generally really clean eating, right? So if it's a rice dish, it's rice with a small side salad and then a little bit of prepared meat. Their quote-unquote sauce might be like salt and pepper mix, right? It's not sloshed with all this stuff. And so it's really great food. And it just, it's clean, easy, it's always farm to table, because they don't really have the big processing system that we do in the United States. So everything just tastes so good. I love it. And what we do, we get to work with, this is super special, when we moved there, there was this organization, it's an NGO, or a non-government organization that was started by somebody in the United States. They went there and they had a passion for Cambodia, and they said, hey, we could help. We could affect change by creating, effectively, a vo-tech school, right? So what they did is they would raise money, and then they would go into the countryside, and they would sponsor these kids who were really poor, who could not afford to educate themselves. And they said, hey, if you want to, we will give you a full ride, a full scholarship to our school. You'll stay on campus. You'll learn how to work in the service industry. So we'll teach you how to be a chef. We'll teach you how to be a pastry chef. We'll teach you how to be a barista or a server or a bartender or a manager or whatever. And so it's all surrounding the service industry. And then after the end of the program, after these kids go through the program, which I don't remember how long, it could be a couple years, because they also have, like, regular classes, and there's a dormitory and all this stuff. When they graduate, they actually will help them get a job placement. So they might move down to the big city in Phnom Penh and they go to a fancy hotel there, or maybe they stay relatively local in Siem Reap or maybe they go abroad, I don't know, but the school helps them get placed for a job. And this organization is called Spoons. Well, it's called Spoons today. I can't remember what it was called prior, because unfortunately, during COVID, all the money dried up and all the support dried up, and it wasn't available for them. And unfortunately, the American support basically said, hey, we got to close the doors. We don't have any way to keep this going. And the locals, the team that they have built, the Cambodians, some of them were graduates themselves, then helping to run the school, said, hey, this is an amazing thing that's really helping people here. We want to keep this going. And so they went locally, and they found a couple of really generous donors to effectively step in on the financial side to help support the school. And they were able to keep the doors open. And Lesley and I were there in like 2020 and things were still operating like normal when we were there in March of 2020 but then we were gone for two years. We weren't back until 2022 so when we finally got back in 2022 we went over there and we were talking to them, and they said, somehow we made it through. It's been crazy, but we were able to keep the doors open. And this year, we are sponsoring 20 students. This is the first time that we've ever operated as a company, as an organization, without any outside support. It's all like done locally. It's now run by and owned by Cambodians. They call themselves the Khmer people, run by khmer, and they were really proud of that, because they were able to keep this institution that had been put into place operating. And then the next year they had like 50 students. And then this past year, we were there, you know, we were just there in February of 2025, now, and they have like 78 students. And we're so pleased to be able to work with them, because we have them deliver our meals during the week. And then on the final day of the trip, we actually all go over to the restaurant, to Spoons, and they serve us. The students are working at the restaurant. So, you know, there's the head chef is a graduate, or the manager is a graduate, and they're making sure the wheels stay on the bus, but the barista, the servers, the bussers, all the food prep, all that stuff, is done by the students themselves. And it gives us so much joy to be able to support that organization. And the food they make is amazing. It's so good. Brad Crowell 19:03  We want to invite you to come join us in Cambodia on a trip and experience these things for yourself and join us so that we can make sure that you really do have an incredible time. Come stay at our house. It's so cool. Go to crowsnestretreats.com. We're taking another group in October of 2025, we're taking another group in October of 2026. In '26 we're only taking one group, so make sure that you check it out. Reach out to us and ask any question. I'm happy to answer them all. I love talking about this. I would love to get on the phone with you. It'd be amazing. So thank you so much for listening to me share my enthusiasm about this unbelievable place on our planet. And we hope you come join us. Bye for now.Lesley Logan 19:41  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 20:24  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 20:29  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 20:33  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 20:40  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 20:44  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Lesley Logan shares her favorite parts of the Cambodia retreat and why she believes every woman should experience traveling abroad with a supportive community. Discover how this immersive week of movement, mindset, and connection can spark lasting breakthroughs in your Pilates practice and personal life. Plus, hear how retreat experiences can fast-track your growth and create friendships that truly last. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why Siem Reap became the soul spot for this transformative retreat.How five Pilates sessions shift your body and mindset in just one week.What the workshops reveal about vision-setting and practical daily change.How the retreat breaks barriers and sparks deep friendships in minutes.Why new environments inspire clarity, confidence, and bold life shifts.Episode References/Links:Cambodia Pilates Retreat - https://crowsnestretreats.com If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/ Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  That, to me, that community, that family that we build, we build it in a class. We build it like that. It is the thing you can't put a price on, to be completely honest. Because, in life as adults, I think it can be really difficult to make friendships like there's so much going on. For example, I meant to text a girlfriend two weeks ago. She travels a lot. I travel a lot. Something happened in my life and Brad's like, I think you should text her and I was like, yeah, I should text her and I just didn't do it. And then I was taking my yoga class, oh my God, I need to text and see how she is. Now that I'm in town, I can't wait to see her. and after yoga class, she'd already text me. So I just fucking love that. But that friendship, while amazing and wonderful, and for sure, I can go a month without texting her, and we're still the deepest and wonderful of friends, on this retreat there is not a month to make a friendship. You make it in a minute. Lesley Logan 0:44  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:27  Hello, Be It babe. How are you? I'm your guest today. No, it's me, and I'm really excited to chat with you. I realized you hear about us talking about Cambodia a lot, like, in my clips of like, come with us, come do Pilates, come do this, and you probably take a week off of your life to get on a plane, and for most people, at least 17 hours of travel, but probably more like 21, to do all that, you probably want to know a little bit about what is it like, right? And so I thought I'd just have you like a lowdown of my three favorite parts. And on Thursday, Brad is going to tell you about his favorite parts about the retreat. And I hope that this really makes you realize, oh, I'm coming in October. This is going to be something I do. And if you're someone who wants to host your own retreat, you can actually use our system and our team helps that make it easier for you. Obviously, you'd replace Pilates with whatever it is you do. But at any rate, let me tell you a little bit, so first of all, why do we go to Cambodia? Why do we go to Siem Reap? Well, if you're at all like me, you're probably like, hmm, can I go to an island? Can I lay on a beach? And I definitely understand a vacation of that sort. But this is not that. And you come to this for a different reason. So first of all, when Brad and I got married, which would be 10 years ago this October, Brad and I got married he wanted to go to Siem Reap for our honeymoon. And I was like, wow, that is not what I thought honeymoon would be. I thought a honeymoon would be like an island in Thailand on a boat. But really, I was like, okay, well, if we do Siem Reap, can we go to Thailand, and we also went to Japan. It was really, really fun. And the most hilarious thing is like, what we resist is there to assist, because we landed in Siem Reap and I was, my soul is home. It was dark, you guys. It was so dark. We went straight to bed. But like, I just was so excited to be there. I love the smell of it. I love the energy. It was just so different. And I think, you guys, we have an episode that came out with Monique Rhodes about getting out into cultures that are different than ours, and getting a little uncomfortable. And I just realized there was like a sense of joy around me and energy inside me that was like this is amazing. I got up and we watched the sun rise over Angkor, and then we went to like, seven temples in one day, maybe nine, and I just knew I'd come back. And so a year later, we had two retreats that year. We took people, Pilates clients, there, and we just had so much fun. We did it again and again and again. Now we've been, I don't know, 10 or 12 retreats. At any rate, what happens when you come on a retreat with us, and the reason I think you will love this so much is I really believe that women should travel abroad. I think it's really important for women to see different ways the world works, see how different cultures support the people around them and community around them. I just thought it was just like the coolest thing. And so at any rate, I also know that traveling alone is not actually everyone's cup of tea, and also it might not feel very accessible or very safe. And so when we created this retreat, I wanted you to become to my home, because that's gonna make you feel more comfortable, right? And also we wanted to make it super easy, so that you don't even have to worry about, how do you get from the airport to where we are. It's a different country. t's a different language. Whenever I land in different country, I'm always like, okay, I know once I get to my hotel, I'm gonna be okay, but from the hotel to the airport, how does this work? Do I need a credit card? Do we have to have cash? Do you have to exchange already? What's the cultural system? How far is the airport? Sometimes they're so far away. So you don't have to worry about that, because we actually pick you up. We have one of our most amazing drivers, trusted drivers, who comes and picks you up. You come to our house and we do five Pilates classes over the six days. So we actually do a class when you arrive, just to stretch out from the plane, and I find out like, what your movement goals are that week and what exercises you want to move through. And each class helps each person build up to the practice and things that they want. And we had so many people, like this last retreat, we have people who never did Pilates before, to clients of ours who've been part of OPC for a really long time, to teachers who've been teaching for a really long time, and each person got to work on an exercise that they really struggled with and get some breakthroughs. It was really a lot of fun. And so we do one afternoon class, and then four mornings we do a class. We don't do a class on the sunrise day. I promise you, we get enough steps in. We do. We get enough steps in. And so it's just really quite fun to see also how your Pilates practice can change only in a week, but from day to day depending on what we did the day before, which is just fabulous. It's like creating the Pilates movement habit that you really want. We do it together on this retreat. Lesley Logan 5:39  So Brad will talk more about all the temples and the food and all the other stuff, but I wanted to tell you about the workshops. So I used to do Pilates mat workshops. And the truth is, is that it's hot. It's hot there. And two and a half hours working on our mats, on these exercises. While super fun and interesting, it's also just a lot. It's a lot on the body. It's a lot on the mind. And I don't think it makes your mat practice more consistent when you get home. The mat classes themselves do that. So I pulled together some my favorite things that are like podcast type, my business coaching type, my breath work stuff, all that stuff, I pulled it together, and I put this unique two day workshop together where we do breath work to visualize what we want. Who do we want to be? What is this Be It Till We See It, right? What is that? And then we journal, and you can share what you want. Obviously, don't have to. And then we go through all the different things that you should get clear on. So it's like everything, every Be It podcast has taught us roughly on manifestation and visualization into a workshop, and we end with breath work, and it's just so beautiful to solidify it. Lesley Logan 6:53  Then the next thing, we come back, I take that woo-woo, and I bring in stuff that makes it a one woo, which is, how do we actually get the thing we visualize to become reality? How do we do that? And I can tell you right now, because we've done this so many times, and we've had people do it twice, that we have a woman, her wins will be shared on a future FYF, that in less than six months of the retreat, and what she visualized, she's already doing the things that she put together, already, right, already done. So because we actually talk about, okay, so you're really busy. You've known you want this life for a really long time, but you don't know how to do it. We actually go through a series of exercises to make that a reality. Buy back your time. Make it easier for you to have the habits you want. Make a morning routine that you like to have. Make an ideal schedule that has you and your priorities in it. All the things that you hear me talk about in, like, short, quick sentences, we take hours to, like, really dive in and depending on who you are and where you're at in your life, one of the practices we do might be the exact thing you need, where the other one might be for someone else. It's just really fun, because by the end of the second workshop day, you have homework that you can take back on literally, what your first next step is to make this vision become a reality, to make this vision something you can be till you see. It's just really, really cool, and it's something that I promise you, like doing breath work outside and hearing birds chirping and sometimes a frog ribbiting to the side, and then the traffic's going by, like it's just really cool, like you're not so removed from life that you're woo, I'm off in Wonderland. And then you visualize something that's not even what you want, but it just sounds so spiritually amazing. No, you visualize what you want. Lesley Logan 8:35  And the thing that this retreat always attracts is the almost epic people, and they change you because they validate you. They see you. They high five you. We had a beautiful soul who was like, I don't want to feel like this. I don't feel like this emotion. I'm going to keep that between the retreaters and the women there didn't even know her, and they're like, no, no one would ever judge you for that. You don't need to feel like that. And validated her in a way they don't know her, you know. And so that to me, that community, that family, that we build, we build it in a class, we build it like that. It is the thing you can't put a price on, to be completely honest. Because in life, as adults, I think it can be really difficult to make friendships like there's so much going on. For example, I meant to text a girlfriend two weeks ago. She travels a lot. I travel a lot. Something happened in my life, and Brad's like, I think you should text her. And I was like, yeah, I should text her. And I just didn't do it. And then I was taking my yoga class. Oh my God, I need to text her and see how she is. Now that I'm in town, I can't wait to see her. And after yoga class, she'd already text me, so I just fucking love that. But that friendship, while amazing and wonderful, and for sure, I can go a month without texting her, and we're still the deepest and wonderful of friends, on this retreat, there is not a month to make a friendship. You make it in a minute, and it's really quite cool, because these people have no idea who, what your life is back at home, and so you can kind of explore the things that you desire, the things you want, the things that you're worried about, in a way that is in a different vacuum, half a day away from everything else. Lesley Logan 10:08  You can notice what you miss, what you don't miss. You can notice what you don't actually worry about, and what you are and it really helps you have some perspective. But most importantly, you get these deep friendships that just this shared experience, that even a year, five years from now, you'll think back to this trip and that person, that conversation, and how integral it was into you becoming more of the person you want to be. I think it's really hard to dream up what your future should be in the current chaos of your life. I think it's just really hard. Because even if you are able to, like, close your eyes and tune out all the noise, the moment you're done with the meditation, there's a knock on the door, an extra bill came that you weren't expecting, or someone texts you out of the blue and needs something. And so it can be really hard to, like, stay in that juiciness, right, to stay in that space, to really pull it together, to pull the whole dream together, pull a vision together, to, like, really explore what you don't want without any outside influence. And so yes, we're there and we're outside, and there's gonna be influence, but that influence is going to be, oh my God, over a thousand years ago, a bunch of people built these temples without machines, right? They did a bamboo and elephants, and someone put this from idea into reality, and there was a whole world here thriving away from the ocean a thousands years ago, because they were able to figure out how to get the water to run the wrong direction so that they could live. Talk about moving actual mountains to create a society that thrives and survives. Lesley Logan 11:48  And so to me, what is so cool about prioritizing your Pilates practice, or even starting a Pilates practice and being around other people and having the most incredible experience, an exposure to something so different. In Cambodia, they have a very savory breakfast, okay, and it's very filling, because a lot of them work outside, and most of us probably barely sit down and enjoy our breakfast. But there, we like sit down, enjoy it. We get to explore it. We have it outside. There's all these different things we do, and having that such a different cultural experience keeps you from doubting or putting up obstacles to making your dreams a reality, which is why so many of our retreaters have come back again and have made changes within a week, 30 days, six months of their life, and are having their dream become a reality, and more importantly, they're in community, because it's, like I was saying, was so hard to build friendships. You build them in seconds because you all are there because you wanted a week away. So you have that thing common. You're all there because you're like, I wanted to see this. I wanted to go on this experience. And so it really brings barriers down and allows you to have really deep, wonderful aha conversations, and yeah, you'll go shopping or go for a walk with someone you literally met yesterday. And it's just, it's just magical. So I'm really obsessed with this retreat. I really love exposing people to a culture that's so different than theirs. I really love people seeing how uncomfortable they can be. Not that the retreat is uncomfortable at all, but meaning like, yes, you can do that long flight. Yes, you can get to a foreign country on your own. Yes, you can be among strangers and make friends. Yes, you can do Pilates five times in one week. Yes, you can visualize what you want. Yes, you can try a food that you've never heard of and like it. Yes, you can, right? And what that brings in your confidence that you take home with you. Most people get home and they're like, take me back. How do I go back to where that was? Because there's just something so present in your body when you're there. That's how I can describe it. You just get so present, get out of all the chaos, and you get to just be yourself among some really cool people. Lesley Logan 14:04  So I want you to come. I want you to come this year. I want you to come with us. I want you to stay at my house. Want you to move with me. I want to hear what you dream of, and I want to celebrate that, and I want to help you find the first next step for that. And I want to build a community with you that puts in, build in cheerleaders and accountability buddies to remind you, oh my God, remember this? I want to give you memories that last a lifetime. Lesley Logan 14:28  So go to crowsnestretreats.com so that you can be it till you see it on this and I think the Be It Action, I would just be like, what if you could do this trip? What if you could go on a trip? What if you were someone who could go on this trip? What would that look like? Who would you have to be? What help do you need? Just, do you need a travel agent to help you book the flight? Okay, let's do that. Don't let that technology stop you. Don't let the crazy trip stop you. Do you need someone to watch your dog? I bet you there's someone who can just watch your house and your dog for you. There are, literally, those websites for that. What if you could make this trip happen instead of going, oh, next time, oh, I'm too busy this year. What about next time? What if you could make it happen? I think that's my Be It Action Item. Lesley Logan 15:08  And I will say, I pulled this for Brad, but I think it's really cool for this podcast, it says my creativity exists outside the paradigms I'm told to squeeze myself into. My creativity exists outside the paradigms I'm told to squeeze myself into. You are told all the time, busy, busy, busy. People are busy. Get stuff done. And you're also told a ton of stuff about why you can't take a week off for yourself. You must be on a trip you do with others. You can go on this alone. We've got others for you. Yes, you can. You can. And the way the retreat is set up, if you fly on a Friday night, depending on where you live, you will be there on Sunday morning at the latest, maybe Sunday afternoon. The retreat starts in the early evening, and we end on a Friday morning, so that you can fly out on a Friday and be home probably on a Friday. Solike a week, a week of work. Come on, what are you waiting for? Lesley Logan 15:57  All right, loves. I hope that it was fun to go on a little adventure with me, letting me share why do this retreat? Why I want you on it? What you're going to do with me on it. Thursday, Brad is going to talk about all the other goodness, his favorite parts, and I think it's really fun to hear why he loves it so much. And then you get to experience both of us on a retreat together. And the joy and the adventure is just, well, it's a good kind of contagion. All right loves, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 16:24  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 17:06  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 17:11  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 17:16  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 17:23  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 17:26  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Why is voluntourism so bad? And how can you join the Chapters for Change readathon? All this and more in our brand new episode with special guest, Human & Hope Founder and CEO SALLY HETHERINGTON!About Sally: In 2011, at 25, Sally Hetherington bought a one-way ticket to Cambodia. She found that voluntourism was causing harm, deepening local poverty.Sally supported a team in Cambodia to develop Human and Hope Association Cambodia (HHA Cambodia). They built a community centre in rural Siem Reap, and developed the locally run organisation to help locals lift themselves out of poverty.Sally achieved her goal of becoming redundant. HHA Cambodia is now entirely run by local Cambodian staff, with no foreign staff, volunteers or board members.This led her to write her first book ‘It's Not About Me', highlighting the negative impact of voluntourism on local communities in Cambodia and globally. She was awarded an Order of Australia medal at age 33.Episode available now!Of the Publishing Persuasion is a podcast for writers at all stages, shedding light on the journey to publication and beyond. The ups, the downs and everything in between.HOSTED BY: Angela Montoya: @angelamontoya_author & Melanie Schubert: @melanie_schubert_writer⁠#OfthePublishingPersuasion⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#podcast⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#writing⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#Publishing⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#bookstagram #ChaptersForChange #HumanAndHope #BloodyUnstoppable #bookclubforchange  ⁠⁠#podcastsforwriters ⁠ ⁠#writingpodcast⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠#writersofinstagram⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠#writerspodcast⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠#writeradvice⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠#podcasting⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠#podcasts⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠#podcastersofinstagram⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#WritersOfInstagram⁠⁠ ⁠#podcasts⁠ ⁠#books⁠ ⁠#bookish  #bookclub #readalong

In this recap episode, Lesley and Brad break down Lesley's conversation with intuitive eating coach Sabrina Magnan. They explore how disordered eating habits form, the power of self-awareness, and the role of travel and journaling in identity shifts. Whether you're looking to reconnect with your hunger cues or take small, consistent steps toward your future goals, this recap offers valuable insights and practical takeaways. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:What intuitive eating means and why we lose it over time.The effect of diet culture on how we interpret hunger and fullness.How travel can shift perspectives on food, body image, and lifestyle.Why 80% of your thoughts might be stuck on repeat and how to change them.The power of journaling and visioning your ideal life.How to embody your future self through everyday choices.Episode References/Links:UK Mullet Tour Waitlist - https://opc.me/ukSpring Pilates Training - https://opc.me/eventsPilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/acceleratorCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comFast Like A Girl by Dr. Mindy Pelz - https://a.co/d/8DHMdDN If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:·        Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-g·        Lesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/·        Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/·        Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/·        Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQ·        Profitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/ Follow Us on Social Media:·        Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/·        The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-g·        Facebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilates·        LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/·        The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  What happens is the diet culture and the way things are going, it changes our ability to listen to our body and understand when am I hungry? The fact that people have to tell us sometimes you think you're hungry when you just need a drink of water, the fact we have to be told this because we have become so disconnected from our heads to our bodies about when we are actually hungry, or if you're hungry, your body is saying hi, I don't have enough fuel to do the thing you asked me to do. So I really just thought it was really cool. Lesley Logan 0:26  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:09  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the intentional convo I have with Sabrina Magnan in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that episode, go listen to it and then listen to this one, or stick around and then go listen to that one, because that's just like how podcast apps can work. You guys, today is April 24th 2025 it's World Immunization Week. I feel a pedestal from Brad coming in. World world of music. You guys, we're using our platform how we can. Brad Crowell 1:41  Maybe.Lesley Logan 1:43  World Immunization Week is an annual event observed in the last week of April. Aims to educate the public about why vaccines are necessary for the health of millions of people around the world. For numerous reasons, children and adults miss out on essential vaccines, which increases the risk of contracting various preventable diseases such as polio, measles and smallpox. The purpose of this week is to identify challenges and gain access to vaccines and overcome those barriers for the benefit the global populations. People now realize that unless everyone is safe from disease, no one is truly immune. Well, you guys were really fucking this up. So obviously, if you listen to this, you probably have done all your children's and your MMRs, but please check in if you are eligible for the boosters for measles, because depending on when you got your shots, you might have only gotten one shot, so you may actually need to do additional one depending on how around people you are, because this is like a huge thing. When I was in L.A., there was like a freaking whooping cough outbreak amongst the private school, and my client had been in my studio three times after her kid had whooping cough. Didn't seem to think to tell me, and I was like, you're exposing me to whooping cough. So there's just different things we have to be aware of. Also, if you are of a certain age, you might have to get your shingles vaccine. You don't want to actually get shingles. I promise you, there's like nerve damage that happens. It's very painful. So please educate yourself. If you come at me because you think it's causing things that have scientifically been disproven multiple times, I will not respond to you. I don't need to, but I do think you should go and educate yourself and make decisions that are right for you and those around you. Brad Crowell 3:20  Yeah, in Texas, we have a measles outbreak right now in the United States. There's a whole lot of people trying to figure that out. And the reality is, the people who are getting measles never got vaccine. They never got the vaccine, but because of it now it's one of the most contagious diseases ever, and because of it now it's putting people who may have gotten it 40, 50 years ago at risk because it, meaning the vaccine, 40, 50 years ago, at risk because science has changed over time. Things have changed and shifted and grown. I was listening to a podcast where they interviewed a woman who's, I can't remember, but she was a doctor at the NIH, and she was basically saying that what they found is that before 1968 they recommended to go get a measles booster. From 1968 to 1989 where we were born, Lesley and I were born, it was medicine generally said go get one dose of the vaccine, but you are, now they're saying you should have at least two. So I contacted my mom. Somehow I actually had two doses of the vaccine, right? But, otherwise.Lesley Logan 3:20  Typically, you would have gotten the one at, one as a kid and then one, you're. Brad Crowell 4:01  In the 90s, like 10 years later.Lesley Logan 4:08  Yes and then you would have gotten one when you went to school. That's how it went. Brad Crowell 4:21  That's what it was. So I got one when I was born, and then I got one before I went to elementary school.Lesley Logan 4:35  Yes, so go get your tetanus. When? If you don't remember, it's probably (inaudible). Brad Crowell 4:39  Go get a tetanus shot. You don't want to deal with that.Lesley Logan 4:42  No, they're preventable, you know. Brad Crowell 4:44  And honestly, all the way down to just the flu shot. Lesley Logan 4:47  Well, you know, here's the thing, here's, here's, if you're like, I'm against all these things. So Brad's brother and sister in law, so they had a third baby, and the third baby was born premature, and we were the only ones in the family who got to go see this little cutie pie because we had a flu shot. Like, it's not about you, it's about like premature babies and little kids and people with immune suppressed issues, that's why you get it, because you might survive it, but the person next to you who's dealing with childhood cancer won't. So think about other people. Brad Crowell 5:21  Yep, that's all. Lesley Logan 5:23  Sorry. Well, I guess I joined on the soapbox. Okay, I'm back from Pilates Anytime filming. We had so much fun. Those classes will come out in the fall. If you're not a Pilates Anytime, member, you can use L Logan for a 30-day trial. I have a ton of classes on there. You can just search out all of mine. They're really, really fun. And we have announced and space is filling up like crazy, because it's a very limited amount of people who can join us on the Mullet Tour in the U.K. So yes, we are coming to Leeds and Essex in September, and we are doing a Mullet Tour, which means business in the front, Pilates in the back. So business workshops in the morning, Pilates classes and workshops in the afternoon. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Brad Crowell 6:04  It's gonna be a blast. So go to opc.me/uk to get more information. We're past the waitlist at this point. Go find out the deets, opc.me/uk, and then at the end of the month, we're getting really close here, this is the 24th today, so. Lesley Logan 6:18  Three days, so you're just gonna go to. Brad Crowell 6:21  opc.me/events, opc.me/events Come join us for spring training. Literally, in just a few days, it kicks off. It's going to be 10 events over seven days on all four pieces of equipment. If you have a mat only, there's a mat only ticket. Otherwise, you come get the equipment ticket.Lesley Logan 6:35  It's really inexpensive and they're 30-minute classes with a 30-minute Q&A. So it's not just workouts. It's like, actually hangout sessions. Brad Crowell 6:43  Yeah, community, great questions.Lesley Logan 6:44  Asking the questions, where you actually (inaudible) with. All the OPC teachers and myself, I'm teaching like four of the classes, I think. It's just going to be a ton of fun. And we have team uniforms, guys, like baseball jerseys. We are ready to go. The dog has a uniform. He's a home rough. He's a bat boy, bat dog. He's all the things. Brad got a jersey. It's, yes, it's pink. It looks so cute. Brad Crowell 6:45  It's very pink. Lesley Logan 6:47  So go to opc.me/events to snag your spot before we kick off. There are replays on the classes who can't join live and what else, Brad?Brad Crowell 7:18  Yeah, so come join me for a free webinar. If you are taking clients, taking payments from clients, we want to help you. Want to support you. We want to share with you what we've learned over the last seven years of coaching people, over the last 10 years of doing it ourselves, we've literally had to be in the trenches doing the same exact things you're doing to grow your business, to meet new clients. How do I introduce myself? What am I supposed to say? I get tongue-tied. It's awkward. I feel like a salesperson. All these kinds of things. We were in the same exact position that you were in now. And because we realized that we had to get better at it, was we went out and we learned. We started studying with coaches for, I don't know, six years in a row, we hired coaches to help us with sales, copy, email writing. How do we, you know, say things, what should our website be, do, have? How do we become more known in our community? And we started Agency to share these things with you, right? And then, what that's allowed us to do is to then be alongside more than 2500 businesses just like yours over the past seven years, helping everyone solve these problems, and we can work with you to solve the same things. How do I get new clients? How do I actually fire a client that I hate? I need to fire the teacher for me. I really need help with my admin, all these kinds of things, insurance, etc, etc, etc. Anyway, free webinar. I want you to come join me for it. It's called the growth accelerator. Go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator. And then finally. Lesley Logan 7:27  We're going to Cambodia. We want you to come with us. Why haven't you signed up? This is your reminder. Go to crowsnestretreats.com and snag your spot. And let's go. Let's go to Siem Reap. I think it's like another thing I've been thinking about. You might be going why are we going to Cambodia? So if you've heard the town Siem Reap. Brad Crowell 9:05  Siem Reap. Lesley Logan 9:05  Siem Reap, that's where all the temples are.Brad Crowell 9:07  The Temples of Angkor. Angkor, A-N-G-K-O-R. Angkor was the, one of the largest civilizations, landmass wise, it was actually they controlled what we now consider Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and all the way up through parts of Thailand. They would go to war with the Thai. They would go to war with India. They would go to war with all these, these places, right? It was a massive, massive civilization, and they built over 1000 major structures, and they're mostly temples. And then they were eaten by the jungle, and a thousand years later, they were, quote-unquote, rediscovered. And they are stunning, y'all, it's mind-blowingly cool.Lesley Logan 9:46  And if you go on some random cruise, they're gonna take you to three and we're gonna take you to way more than three, and we're gonna do Pilates, we're gonna do a Lotus Farm, and we're gonna go to a water village, and you're just going to learn so much and be so awed, like one in wonderment. Yeah, you'll be in wonderment, and it's gonna help you.Brad Crowell 10:04  You'll just be so odd, it's just gonna be so weird. Lesley Logan 10:06  Yeah, you mean awed. Anyways, come, crowsnestretreats.com.Brad Crowell 10:11  Yeah, if you want to stay an extra day or two, we love to go to a waterfall. We love to go see elephants.Lesley Logan 10:16  The waterfall and the elephants are on the extra day. Brad Crowell 10:18  Yeah, those are extra afterwards, because they're longer day trips and we can't fit them into the full retreat so.Lesley Logan 10:23  They're like full on days. Brad Crowell 10:24  Yeah, so come hang, it's gonna be mind-blowing. Go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. But before we go any further, we did have an audience question this week. EliyaManson-p4k on YouTube says, "Fasting changed my life. It's my superpower! I've noticed that when I fast, the more I move, the better I feel. Plus, my motivation to get up and be active is higher. Does anyone else have a similar effect, or is it different in some way?" It's a very interesting comment.Lesley Logan 10:53  Yeah. So this is on a video we did a live with Noor from Jade Pilates Studio, about, about Ramadan, and so it was like, can you do Pilates during Ramadan? And it was such a really, was a really cool conversation. I've had nothing but great compliments and comments of people being so excited to learn about this. So thank you, Noor. I'm not a fasting expert, expert, and also the way they fast for Ramadan is very different than a fasting program. So Mindy Pelz, P-E-L-Z. Mindy Pelz, if any of you know her email, please help a sister out. Mindy Pelz, she wrote the book Fast Like A Girl, and it is super, super informative about how women specifically can and should fast based on their cycle. So that to Eliya, of course, you're feeling that, especially if you're fasting in the way that benefits your hormone cycle. She has tons and tons and tons and tons of research about fasting, what it can do for us. It's actually incredibly healing. So it doesn't surprise me that you're getting faster at things, you're moving better. Brad Crowell 10:55  But you've also been practicing fasting. Lesley Logan 10:59  Yeah. I mean, I'm gonna, I've kind of stopped. It's Cambodia, it's really hard. Tour was actually not the problem. Tour is easy. Cambodia is hard because you kind of go to bed early, and you wake up early, and then we eat on the schedule. So it's really hard for me to fast when the schedule of the group is different than what mine is. Brad Crowell 12:21  That's fair. Lesley Logan 12:22  But now that we're back, I'm getting back into it. And so by the time you're hearing this, yes, I'm back to fasting. So what I do is, if you look at how she sets it up, where I am in my cycle, Mindy Pelz, depending on where you are in your cycle, if you have one, you don't want to fast too long during a progesterone season, it will stress you out. So 13 hours, 14 hours is kind of the max on those days. But then there's other days of your cycle where you, like, 15 to 17 or 18 hours is really effective and like repair and helping. If you have any pre-diabetic stuff, there's this really great stuff. I don't want to take away her science. Go read her book. It's so good. You can listen to an Audible. It's really great. So I hope that helps Eliya and gives you more information to like even take what you're doing up another level.Brad Crowell 13:09  Love it. Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because we're going to dig into a really interesting conversation about our relationship with food with Sabrina Magnan as soon as we are back. Brad Crowell 13:21  All right, let's talk about Sabrina Magnon. Sabrina is an intuitive eating and food freedom coach who helps women break free from disordered eating, binge eating and food obsession. After struggling with her own body image and restrictive eating, she discovered the power of self-awareness and mindset shifts. Now she's on a mission to help others let go of food rules and build a healthy relationship with their own bodies. And she shared a lot about her story. I think my favorite part of her story is that her life-altering epiphany moment happened due to travel. And I love that. I think it's great.Lesley Logan 13:58  Yeah, that's why we love travel. I think travel teaches you so much about yourself and and really forces you to get a little bit more flexible around things. Brad Crowell 14:07  So if you listen to the episode, her story is that she went to Italy in her teens. And in her teens is when she was literally going down the path of eating disorders, because she had been a really competitive athlete and then stopped, and when she stopped, she was terrified that she was going to put on weight as a teenager, and she went to Italy. And she said, in Italy, nobody went to the gym for incessantly, no one was freaking out counting calories. Lesley Logan 14:34  Remember in 2020, when they were trying to get everyone to stay home. And the Italian, like the Italian leaders, were like, why is everyone so like now training for a marathon? What is going on? There are these running grannies? What are you doing? Because it's like not a thing.Brad Crowell 14:47  What was like the mind-blowing shift for her was seeing another culture and how they approach food, how they treated it, and how they enjoyed food, where she never enjoyed her food, she was like so intense about it all the time, and that changed her world. So I love that. I think it's amazing.Lesley Logan 15:09  Well, I think even, like in Cambodia, my dad gets so mad because they're like, constantly feeding him, and he's like, they're just bringing more food. They just brought more food. I just ate. I just ate. And he would always lose 10 pounds. The reason is, is yes, it's more outdoor lifestyle. So you're like, you move around a bit more, but when you eat there, you're not on your phone, and the portions are not huge. Of course, you can have seconds or thirds if you want to, but you are enjoying the taste. The food is very flavorful. There's also all these different things that you're going to dip in, and you use your hands. And so I think that's what makes it interesting when you're here in the States or other Western cultures, where the media has made women think that the smaller you are, be obsessed with being smaller, because then you're too busy trying to be smaller to realize we're taking your rights away, like that kind of thing, that's very much what it is, or enjoying your food. And so that leads into what I loved is that she said, we're born knowing how to eat intuitively. Brad Crowell 15:23  Right. Lesley Logan 15:23  And we lose this over time. So when you're a little kid, you're like, eating, and then you're like, done. And they're like, no, come finish your food. And actually the kid is full, they like, I'm done here, you know? And so what happens is the diet culture and the way things are going, it changes our ability to listen to our body and understand when am I hungry? The fact that people have to tell us sometimes you think you're hungry when you just need a drink of water. The fact we have to be told this because we have become so disconnected from our heads to our bodies about when we are actually hungry. And so I really enjoyed that she has taken on so much research and learning understanding about trusting our bodies so we're not restricting, we're not calorie-counting, we're not ignoring hunger. If you're hungry, your body is saying, hi, I don't have enough.Brad Crowell 16:44  Fuel.Lesley Logan 16:44  To do the thing you asked me to do. So I really just thought it was really cool and so true. Intuitive eating means blending what your body is telling you along with your emotions and your rational thought.Brad Crowell 16:54  Yeah. I mean, it was really interesting to listen to how her story shaped where she is today. She also shared that you have to be intentional about the life that you want, otherwise you end up repeating the same patterns. And this is definitely something that we've talked about on the pod before. Lesley usually talks about it when it comes to dating, have you to learn from the person you dated. You end up dating the same person over and over and over again until you learn the thing that you're supposed to learn before you can move on to the next person, right? So in line with that, she said, and instead of, hey, just letting life happen to me, I started getting intentional about, okay, what do I actually want to create with my life now that I've had this change in my perspective? She said, most of our thoughts are on repeat. I don't really understand the science, but the two of you had a really funny back and forth about like, how do we know that 80% of our thoughts are the same today as yesterday? How do we know that we have 60,000 thoughts a day? I don't know how to actually measure that.Lesley Logan 17:47  Oh, they already did that, did that, did that, did that, did that, did that. What does a person watch? I don't understand. But anyways. Brad Crowell 17:56  And unfortunately, most of these thoughts are negative, right? Self-deprecation. And it's easy to get stuck in that negativity cycle. She asked herself, hey, if I could create the life that I want, if it had a blank slate, if the rules didn't apply, and I could just, like, start over and be there, what would my life look like? What would it be for me? Right? And she said, this is when she started to journal. She started to pull things to like, write things down. And she said, hey, every day, this is the kind of stuff where you're starting to notice, I want my life to be like this. Add that to the list, right? And then it'll help you see what you actually want to be doing, where you actually want to be going. And she said, living into that vision helped her see small, tangible changes begin to take shape in her life, so that she could be eventually where she wants to be going. And, you know, I love that. I think this is like just another way of saying, you know, the small, tiny habits, small steps forward are going to help you get there. And also, I've heard this 100 times, but what would the decision be if I wanted to be, you know, a successful business owner, laundromat, if I wanted to be a successful laundromat owner and I had a decision to make, what would a successful laundromat owner's decision be? I should make that decision, right? So you're putting yourself in the place that you want to be before you then make the decision, because you're going to look at it through a different lens than you might, your gut might actually say, and so you, this is really helpful. It's a great way to kind of see life through a different perspective.Lesley Logan 19:27  I mean, I just think, first of all, she was super, super sweet. And I also remember she's like, being it until she sees it to be a puppy owner. So I really hope she and her partner, by this time, have gotten a dog. No pressure. Brad Crowell 19:37  Yeah, no pressure. Lesley Logan 19:38  But I think you're ready.Brad Crowell 19:41  No pressure, Sabrina. All right. Well, hey, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig it into some action items the Be It Action Items that she shared, you're not going to want to miss it. Be right back. Brad Crowell 19:52  Welcome back. All right. Let's dig into those Be It Action Items that we got from Sabrina Magnan. What bold, what executable, what intrinsic and what targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Sabrina? She started talking about manifesting, right? And we were just kind of talking about parts of this, like future-casting, how we make decisions as the person that we will want to be one day. This is also the be it till you see it, you know, stuff. She said, hey, you've got to be really clear on what it is that you want. You need to define your goal, right? So whether that's a career milestone, a lifestyle change, or even a pet, that's what she's going after. She said, you have to embody the mindset and actions of the person who's achieved it. She believes that a lot of people think once they hit that goal, then I will feel this thing, but that is so backwards. And I laughed when she said, it's not like your brain changes when you achieve the thing, right? Your brain is going to be the same brain now as it is when you achieve the thing, unless you're intentionally trying to change your brain now. Lesley Logan 20:53  And also, if you haven't really set yourself up, like, if you're someone who has, like, a fear of making decisions, and then you somehow get someone to believe in your laundromat business, and they're like, here are the keys to your laundromat business, but you didn't ready yourself as a person who makes decisions, good fucking luck keeping your laundromat business, because you have to have done that. So you got to change the brain to be ready for the thing you want to have when it comes. Brad Crowell 21:16  You have to be ready to make decisions now before you get those keys right? Instead of waiting for the success to change, you become the version of yourself who attracts it today. Ask yourself, what does this person who already has achieved this thing do every day, and then make space for it now. Start taking those actions and make yourself ready to receive those wins now, you know. What about you? Lesley Logan 21:39  This is really cool, because this is where, if you're like, okay, guys, we've heard that one before. I think you have to hear things multiple times before you make a decision on making a change, right? Brad Crowell 21:47  Like 17? Lesley Logan 21:47  Like, at least. So this one is really unique. We have not heard this one before, which is, take a piece of paper and do two columns. So a left side, you put the old me, and on the right side, you're gonna put the future me. And on the old me, this is where you can list up the thoughts and habits and emotions you want to leave behind. So all that negative self-talk, I'm a failure, I'm not good enough. And then on the right side, all the things that you want to have in the future, the future you like, how you think and emotions you have. And then you could have this ability to interrupt the pattern, because now you get to act like, oh, these are all the things that I want to embody. So this is what I need to be acting as if, participating, going back to her other Be It Action Items. So I really love this, because one of my clients, shout out to Meredith, I said, hey, babe, we were supposed to, she only has a session on Tuesdays, and we're driving back from Colorado, and I was supposed to text her when we're getting back so I could teach her. And we got back a little later than we expected. And so I, like, was like, hey, I, the only time I have this week is 8 a.m. tomorrow, which Meredith doesn't, is not a morning person. And she goes, great, I'll see you then. And I was like, okay, so I saw her a.m., she was on time. She was ready to go. And I said, wow, this is really early for you. She's like, well, I am a healthy person. I'm a person who makes healthy decisions, and a healthy person would work out at 8am so this is why we're here. But I really liked it. It's like she did the old her would never have said yes to that. Brad Crowell 23:14  Never. Lesley Logan 23:15  The old her is doing the 9:15 and that's early. And the new her is like, nope, nope. I'm gonna do it 8 a.m. I'm up. I'm gonna work out. I'm gonna do it. So I just think that this is a really cool thing. Two sides paper really helps you on that goal setting and getting clear on what you want and who you want to be. Sabrina, I can't wait to hear what your dog's name is. Just putting that out there. Lesley Logan 23:34  Y'all, how are you going to use these tips in your life? What was your favorite part or your takeaways? Thank you also to those who've been leaving amazing reviews of the Be It Podcast, I know they don't make it easy to leave reviews. You have to go find how to do it somewhere on your phone, in a tiny print, and all of you are over 40, so you can't read it. I get it, but thank you for going through the efforts of doing it. It means the world to us. I love reading it. My team literally shows me every single review. Brad Crowell 24:00  Every single one, y'all. Lesley Logan 24:01  Not a single one. Brad Crowell 24:02  We celebrate every single one. So thank you for leaving those. Lesley Logan 24:05  And if you haven't, yet. Brad Crowell 24:06  If you haven't. Lesley Logan 24:07  This is your reminder. This is us guilting you, yeah, don't take that joy away from me. 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In this episode of Travel Stories with Moush, we dive into the world of travel and design with the talented brother duo, Hasan and Hussain Roomi. Growing up in some of the most architecturally inspiring cities in the world, they've built incredible travel stories through art and design. As founders of H2R Design, a leading design firm with offices in London and Dubai, they bring a unique perspective on how design shapes our experiences.  From the serenity of Tokyo's Hoshinoya Hotel to the unique cultural fusion in Hanoi, they take us on a journey through their most inspirational destinations. Plus, they discuss iconic design cities, underrated gems like Beirut and their upcoming travel aspirations in South America and India.  Destination and Hotel Highlights:Tokyo, Japan – Hoshinoya Hotel, A peaceful, minimalist sanctuary in the heart of Tokyo that redefines luxury with its serene design and zen atmosphere.https://hoshinoresorts.com/en/hotels/hoshinoyatokyo/Hanoi, Vietnam – A fascinating mix of Chinese, Japanese, and French influences, Hanoi's unique design and vibrant culture deeply inspired their approach to restaurant design.Zurich, Switzerland – The Vitznau Hotel, focusing on serenity and well-being was a standout design hotel for its calming environment and innovative approach to wellness.https://www.parkhotel-vitznau.ch/Zurich, Switzerland – The Dolder Grand Hotel, blending modern luxury with historic charm, is a design masterpiece that offers guests a perfect combination of contemporary elegance and Swiss heritage.https://www.thedoldergrand.com/Cambodia – The Zannier Group's boutique hotel in Siem Reap is a perfect blend of modern design and cultural heritage, featuring a working rice field integrated into the hotel's concept.https://www.zannierhotels.com/phumbaitang/Beirut, Lebanon – The city's underground and rooted design scene, including interior and furniture design, has long been an influential part of their creative journey.London, UK – A timeless muse with its blend of classical charm and modern innovation that keeps revealing new layers of inspiration.Florence, Italy – A city of endless discovery, where every cobbled street leads to art, history, and architectural brilliance.Amman, Jordan – Queen Alia International Airport is a striking example of modern brutalist design with cultural nuance, crafted by Sir Norman Foster.South America – Hasan is keen to explore more of South America, particularly Venezuela and Peru, for their evolving architecture and cultural richness.India – Husain is excited to uncover more of India's design evolution, with a focus on how the country's architecture is progressing and how design intersects with its vibrant culture.This episode is a celebration of how design reveals the soul of a place. It's a passport to culture, creativity, and the most inspiring corners of the world.Connect with H2R Design at:https://h2rdesign.com/Thank you all for tuning in today! I hope our conversations have sparked your wanderlust and inspired you to see the world in new and exciting ways.If you enjoyed this episode, please hit that subscribe button here, or on your favorite podcast platform. Subscribing is the best way to support the show and it helps us bring you more incredible travel stories and grow this amazing community of explorers.I'd love to hear from you! What destinations or guests should we feature next? Drop a comment, leave a rating, or write a review - it truly makes a difference.Stay connected with me on Instagram @moushtravels to find out who's joining me next week. You can also explore all past episodes and destinations mentioned by our guests on www.moushtravels.com or in the episode show notes.Thanks for listening! Until next time, safe travels and keep adventuring.  "Want a spotlight on our show? Visit https://admanager.fm/client/podcasts/moushtravels and align your brand with our audience."Connect with me on the following:Instagram @moushtravelsFacebook @travelstorieswithmoushLinkedIn @Moushumi BhuyanYou Tube @travelstorieswithmoush

VOV1 - Sáng nay, tại thành phố Đà Lạt, UBND tỉnh Lâm Đồng và Công ty Công trình quốc tế Cục 2 đường sắt Trung Quốc đã có buổi làm việc để xúc tiến hợp tác khôi phục tuyến đường sắt Đà Lạt – Tháp Chàm và mở thêm các chuyến bay quốc tế.- Chủ phiên họp thường kỳ Chính phủ tháng 2, Thủ tướng Phạm Minh Chính chỉ rõ 6 nhóm nhiệm vụ trọng tâm, cấp bách thời gian tới, trong đó khẩn trương hoàn thiện việc sắp xếp tổ chức bộ máy, chuẩn bị sắp xếp địa giới hành chính.-  Trước tình hình xuất khẩu gạo trong hai tháng đầu năm nay có xu hướng giảm, Thủ tướng Chính phủ yêu cầu các bộ, ngành, địa phương và doanh nghiệp có những điều chỉnh kế hoạch sản xuất và xuất khẩu phù hợp.- Lâm Đồng cùng đối tác Trung Quốc bàn cách khôi phục đường sắt Đà Lạt – Tháp Chàm. Đà Lạt - Tháp Chàm là tuyến đường sắt răng cưa duy nhất ở Việt Nam, được khởi công vào năm 1908, hoàn thành năm 1932 và đưa vào sử dụng 4 năm sau đó. Đường sắt này có chiều dài 84km với 14 ga, trong đó có 16km đường sắt răng cưa để vượt đèo dốc lên độ cao 1.500m. Sau năm 1975, gần như toàn bộ đường ray trên tuyến đường này đã tháo gỡ. Hiện chỉ còn một đoạn ngắn Trại Mát - Đà Lạt dài gần 7 km đang khai thác dịch vụ du lịch.Tại buổi làm việc, đại diện Công ty Công trình quốc tế Cục 2 đường sắt Trung Quốc mong muốn tỉnh Lâm Đồng thông tin về quy hoạch liên quan đến tuyến đường sắt Đà Lạt - Tháp Chàm, tạo điều kiện để đơn vị tiếp cận, triển khai các bước cần thiết tiến đến hoàn thiện báo cáo nghiên cứu khả thi để được thực hiện dự án khôi phục tuyến đường sắt này. Đồng thời, Công ty Công trình quốc tế Cục 2 đường sắt Trung Quốc cũng đề nghị tỉnh Lâm Đồng cho phép tìm hiểu, trao đổi cơ hội hợp tác để xúc tiến triển khai dự án mở rộng đường bay quốc tế  kết nối Đà Lạt – Singapore, Đà Lạt – Siem Reap và một số nước Đông Bắc Á như Nhật, Hàn Quốc.- Nhiều nhà máy xử lý nước mặt tại Bến Tre nhiễm mặn gây khó khăn cho đời sống, sinh hoạt của người dân.Trong phần tin thế giới- Trung Quốc khai mạc kỳ họp thứ ba Quốc hội khóa 14 - Tiếp tục đặt mục tiêu tăng trưởng kinh tế khoảng 5%. - Làm mới giấc mơ Mỹ, bài phát biểu của Tổng thống Donald Trump đề cập nhiều vấn đề nóng, từ kinh tế cho đến đến chính sách nhập cư cứng rắn đã gây ra phản ứng trái chiều trong và ngoài nước nước Mỹ.

សួស្ដី Molloten! Welkom bij Smoltalk, de podcast over Wie is de Mol? Seizoen 25 in het prachtige Cambodja. In aflevering 7 nemen we afscheid van Nora, al was dat minder verrassend dan gehoopt, want haar exit lekte vóór de aflevering al uit. Toch bracht deze aflevering genoeg spektakel! Eindelijk bezochten de kandidaten de mysterieuze verlaten airport in Siem Reap. Daarnaast kregen ze een verleidelijke kans: door geld uit de pot in te zetten, konden ze een vrijstelling voor de finale kopen. Wat betekent dit voor de groep én voor de pot? We bespreken alle ontwikkelingen, hints en theorieën. Laan tai niyeay Smoltalk en Cambodja!

Vietnam, Kambodscha und Tempelanlagen von Angkor Wat, der Mekong: Auf einer Flusskreuzfahrt mit der Mekong Navigator und einigen Tagen Anschlussprogramm an Land in Saigon und Siem Reap haben wir eine Region besucht, die schon lange auf unserem Wunschzettel stand. Ich war mit Vegan Travel unterwegs, also auf einer komplett veganen Reise. Zu diesem Aspekt gibt's demnächst eine eigene Podcast-Episode, in dem wir über meine (so viel sei schon vorab verraten: sehr positiven) kulinarischen Erlebnisse während dieser Reise sprechen, aber auch allgemein über vegan und vegetarische Angebote in der Kreuzfahrt insgesamt. In dieser Podcast-Episode widmen wir uns aber erst einmal ganz den Erlebnissen am Mekong während der Flusskreuzfahrt mit der von Lotus Cruises betriebenen Mekong Navigator, die in Deutschland übrigens auch bei Nicko Cruises angeboten wird. Wir sprechen darüber, was man von einer solchen Reise erwarten kann, was es entlang es Mekong sowie im Rahmenprogramm in Saigon (Ho Chi Minh Stadt), Phnom Penh und Siem Reap mit den nahegelegenen Tempelanlagen von Angkor Wat zu sehen und erleben gibt. Und natürlich sprechen wir auch über das Schiff, die Mekong Navigator. After-Show als Bonus und Extra-Podcast für unsere Steady-Abonnenten In der Aftershow sprechen wir über einen eher bedrückenden Teil dieser Reise nach Kambodscha und Vietnam: die Gedenkstätten zu dunklen Zeiten in diesen beiden Ländern – die Schreckensherrschaft der Roten Khmer in Kambodscha und die Vietnamkriege. Auf meiner Reise habe ich eine Killing-Field-Gedenkstätte nahe Phnom Penh und die Tunnelsysteme nahe Saigon besucht. Wir sprechen darüber, wie wichtig es ist, auch im Urlaub, der eigentlich eine fröhliche und unbeschwerte Zeit sein soll, diesen Teil der besuchten Länder nicht auszublenden. Die After-Show, ebenso wie die werbefreie Version des Podcasts, ist ein besonderes Goodie [exklusiv für unsere Unterstützer via Steady](https://steadyhq.com/de/cruisetricks-podcast/about), das wir in einem eigenen, kleinen Podcast bereitstellen. Bei Steady finden Sie als Abonnent eine [genaue Anleitung](https://get.steadyhq.help/hc/de/articles/360002251118), wie Sie diesen Podcast abonnieren können. Werbefrei hören den Podcast all diejenigen von Ihnen, die uns mit einem Steady-Abonnement monatlich unterstützen. Den Podcast und die After-Show gibt es deshalb für Steady-Abonnenten an einem Stück komplett und ohne Werbeunterbrechungen über den personalisierten RSS-Podcast-Feed bei Steady – siehe oben.

This episode we are taking a trip down the Silk Road--or perhaps even the Spice Road--as we investigate references in this reign to individuals from "Tukara" who seem to have arrived in Yamato and stayed for a while. For photos and more, see our podcast webpage:  https://sengokudaimyo.com/podcast/episode-119 Rough Transcript   Welcome to Sengoku Daimyo's Chronicles of Japan.  This is episode 119: The Question of “Tukara”   Traveling upon the ocean was never exactly safe.  Squalls and storms could arise at any time, and there was always a chance that high winds and high waves could capsize a vessel.  Most people who found themselves at the mercy of the ocean could do little but hold on and hope that they could ride out whatever adverse conditions they met with.  Many ships were lost without any explanation or understanding of what happened to them.  They simply left the port and never came back home. And so when the people saw the boat pulling up on the shores of Himuka, on the island of Tsukushi, they no doubt empathized with the voyagers' plight.  The crew looked bedraggled, and their clothing was unfamiliar.  There were both men and women, and this didn't look like your average fishing party.  If anything was clear it was this:  These folk weren't from around here. The locals brought out water and food.  Meanwhile, runners were sent with a message:  foreigners had arrived from a distant place.  They then waited to see what the government was going to do.     We are still in the second reign of Takara Hime, aka Saimei Tenno.  Last episode we talked about the palaces constructed in Asuka, as well as some of the stone works that have been found from the period, and which appear to be referenced in the Nihon Shoki—at least tangentially.   The episodes before that, we looked at the expeditions the court sent to the far north of Honshu and even past Honshu to Hokkaido. This episode we'll again be looking past the main islands of the archipelago to lands beyond.  Specifically, we are going to focus on particularly intriguing references to people from a place called “Tukara”.  We'll talk about some of the ideas about where that might be, even if they're a bit  far-fetched. That's because Tukara touches on the state of the larger world that Yamato was a part of, given its situation on the far eastern edge of what we know today as the Silk Road.  And is this just an excuse for me to take a detour into some of the more interesting things going on outside the archipelago?  No comment. The first mention of a man from Tukara actually comes at the end of the reign of Karu, aka Koutoku Tennou.  We are told that in the fourth month of 654 two men and two women of “Tukara” and one woman of “Sha'e” were driven by a storm to Hiuga.  Then, three years later, the story apparently picks up again, though possibly referring to a different group of people.  On the 3rd day of the 7th month of 657, so during the second reign of Takara Hime, we now hear about two men and four women of the Land of Tukara—no mention of Sha'e—who drifted to Tsukushi, aka Kyushu.  The Chronicles mention that these wayfarers first drifted to the island of Amami, and we'll talk about that in a bit, but let's get these puzzle pieces on the table, first.  After those six people show up, the court sent for them by post-horse.  They must have arrived by the 15th of that same month, because we are told that a model of Mt. Sumi was erected and they—the people from Tukara—were entertained, although there is another account that says they were from “Tora”. The next mention is the 10th day of the 3rd month of 659, when a Man of Tukara and his wife, again woman of Sha'e, arrived.  Then, on the 16th day of the 7th month of 660, we are told that the man of Tukara, Kenzuhashi Tatsuna, desired to return home and asked for an escort.  He planned to pay his respects at the Great Country, i.e. the Tang court, and so he left his wife behind, taking tens of men with him. All of these entries might refer to people regularly reaching Yamato from the south, from a place called “Tukara”.  Alternately, this is a single event whose story has gotten distributed over several years, as we've seen happen before with the Chronicles.  .  One of the oddities of these entries is that the terms used are not consistent.  “Tukara” is spelled at least two different ways, suggesting that it wasn't a common placename like Silla or Baekje, or even the Mishihase.  That does seem to suggest that the Chronicles were phonetically trying to find kanji, or the Sinitic characters, to match with the name they were hearing.   I would also note that “Tukara” is given the status of a “kuni”—a land, country, or state—while “sha'e”, where some of the women are said to come from, is just that, “Sha'e”. As for the name of at least one person from Tokara, Kenzuhashi Tatsuna, that certainly sounds like someone trying to fit a non-Japanese name into the orthography of the time.  “Tatsuna” seems plausibly Japanese, but “Kenzuhashi” doesn't fit quite as well into the naming structures we've seen to this point. The location of “Tukara” and “Sha'e” are not clear in any way, and as such there has been a lot of speculation about them.  While today there are placenames that fit those characters, whether or not these were the places being referenced at the time is hard to say. I'll actually start with “Sha'e”, which Aston translates as Shravasti, the capital of the ancient Indian kingdom of Kosala, in modern Uttar Pradesh.  It is also where the Buddha, Siddartha Gautama, is said to have lived most of his life after his enlightenment.  In Japanese this is “Sha'e-jou”, and like many Buddhist terms it likely comes through Sanskrit to Middle Chinese to Japanese.  One—or possibly two—women from Shravasti making the journey to Yamato in the company of a man (or men) from Tukara seems quite the feat.  But then, where is “Tukara”? Well, we have at least three possible locations that I've seen bandied about.  I'll address them from the most distant to the closest option.  These three options were Tokharistan, Dvaravati, and the Tokara islands. We'll start with Tokharistan on the far end of the Silk Road.  And to start, let's define what that “Silk Road” means.  We've talked in past episodes about the “Western Regions”, past the Han-controlled territories of the Yellow River.   The ancient Tang capital of Chang'an was built near to the home of the Qin dynasty, and even today you can go and see both the Tang tombs and the tomb of Qin Shihuangdi and his terracotta warriors, all within a short distance of Xi'an, the modern city built on the site of Chang'an.  That city sits on a tributary of the Yellow River, but the main branch turns north around the border of modern Henan and the similarly sounding provinces of Shanxi and Shaanxi.  Following it upstream, the river heads north into modern Mongolia, turns west, and then heads south again, creating what is known as the Ordos loop.  Inside is the Ordos plateau, also known as the Ordos Basin.  Continuing to follow the Yellow river south, on the western edge of the Ordos, you travel through Ningxia and Gansu—home of the Hexi, or Gansu, Corridor.  That route eventually takes to Yumenguan, the Jade Gate, and Dunhuang.  From there roads head north or south along the edge of the Taklamakan desert in the Tarim basin.  The southern route travels along the edge of the Tibetan plateau, while the northern route traversed various oasis cities through Turpan, Kucha, to the city of Kashgar.  Both routes made their way across the Pamirs and the Hindu Kush into South Asia. We've brought up the Tarim Basin and the Silk Road a few times.  This is the path that Buddhism appears to have taken to get to the Yellow River Basin and eventually to the Korean Peninsula and eastward to the Japanese archipelago.  But I want to go a bit more into detail on things here, as there is an interesting side note about “Tukara” that I personally find rather fascinating, and thought this would be a fun time to share. Back in Episode 79 we talked about how the Tarim basin used to be the home to a vast inland sea, which was fed by the meltwater from the Tianshan and Kunlun mountains.  This sea eventually dwindled, though it was still large enough to be known to the Tang as the Puchang Sea.  Today it has largely dried up, and it is mostly just the salt marshes of Lop Nur that remain.  Evidence for this larger sea, however, can be observed in some of the burials found around the Tarim basin.  These burials include the use of boat-shaped structures—a rather curious feature to be found out in the middle of the desert. And it is the desert that was left behind as the waters receded that is key to much of what we know about life in the Tarim basin, as it has proven to be quite excellent at preserving organic material.  This includes bodies, which dried out and naturally turned into mummies, including not only the wool clothing they were wearing, but also features such as hair and even decoration. These “Tarim mummies”, as they have been collectively called, date from as early as 2100 BCE all the way up through the period of time we're currently talking about, and have been found in several desert sites: Xiaohe, the earliest yet discovered; Loulan, near Lop Nur on the east of the Tarim Basin, dating from around 1800 BCE; Cherchen, on the southern edge of the Tarim Basin, dating from roughly 1000 BCE; and too many others to go into in huge detail. The intriguing thing about these burials is that  many of them don't have features typically associated with people of ethnic Han—which is to say traditional Chinese—ancestry, nor do they necessarily have the features associated with the Xiongnu and other steppe nomads.  In addition they have colorful clothing  made from wool and leather, with vivid designs.  Some bodies near Hami, just east of the basin, were reported to have blonde to light brown hair, and their cloth showed radically different patterns from that found at Cherchen and Loulan, with patterns that could reasonably be compared with the plaids now common in places like Scotland and Ireland, and previously found in the Hallstadt salt mine in Central Europe from around 3500 BCE, from which it is thought the Celtic people may have originated. At the same time that people—largely Westerners— were studying these mummies, another discovery in the Tarim basin was also making waves.  This was the discovery of a brand new language.  Actually, it was two languages—or possibly two dialects of a language—in many manuscripts, preserved in Kucha and Turpan.  Once again, the dry desert conditions proved invaluable to maintain these manuscripts, which date from between the late 4th or early 5th century to the 8th century.  They are written with a Brahmic script, similar to that used for Sanskrit, which appears in the Tarim Basin l by about the 2nd century, and we were able to translate them because many of the texts were copies of Buddhist scripture, which greatly helped scholars in deciphering the languages.  These two languages were fascinating because they represented an as-yet undiscovered branch of the Indo-European language family.  Furthermore, when compared to other Indo-European languages, they did not show nearly as much similarity with their neighbors as with languages on the far western end of the Indo-European language family.  That is to say they were thought to be closer to Celtic and Italic languages than something like Indo-Iranian.  And now for a quick diversion within the diversion:  “Centum” and “Satem” are general divisions of the Indo-European language families that was once thought to indicate a geographic divide in the languages.  At its most basic, as Indo-European words changed over time, a labiovelar sound, something like “kw”,  tended to evolve in one of two ways.  In the Celtic and Italic languages, the “kw” went to a hard “k” sound, as represented in the classical pronunciation of the Latin word for 100:  Centum.  That same word, in the Avestan language—of the Indo-Iranian tree—is pronounced as “Satem”, with an “S” sound.  So, you can look at Indo-European languages and divide them generally into “centum” languages, which preserve the hard “k”, or “Satem” languages that preserve the S. With me so far? Getting back to these two newly-found languages in the Tarim Basin, the weird thing is that they were “Centum” languages. Most Centum languages are from pretty far away, though: they are generally found in western Europe or around the Mediterranean, as opposed to the Satem languages, such as Indo-Aryan, Iranian, Armernian, or even Baltic Slavic languages, which are much closer to the Tarim Basin.  So if the theory were true that the “Centum” family of Indo-European languages developed in the West and “Satem” languages developed in the East, then that would seem to indicate that a group of a “Centum” speaking people must have migrated eastward, through the various Satem speaking people, and settled in the Tarim Basin many thousands of years ago. And what evidence do we have of people who look very different from the modern population, living in the Tarim Basin area long before, and wearing clothing similar to what we associated with the progenitors of the Celts?  For many, it seemed to be somewhat obvious, if still incredible, that the speakers of this language were likely the descendants of the mummies who, in the terminology of the time, had been identified as being of Caucasoid ancestry.  A theory developed that these people were an offshoot of a group called the Yamnaya culture, which may have arisen around modern Ukraine as an admixture between the European Hunter Gatherers and the Caucasian Hunter Gatherers, around 3300-2600 BCE.  This was challenged in 2021 when a genetic study was performed on some of the mummies in the Tarim basin, as well as several from the Dzungarian basin, to the northeast.  That study suggested that the people of the Dzungarian basin had genetic ties to the people of the Afanasievo people, from Southern Siberia.  The Afanasievo people are connected to the Yamnayan culture. It should be noted that there has long been a fascination in Western anthropology and related sciences with racial identification—and often not in a healthy way.  As you may recall, the Ainu were identified as “Caucasoid” by some people largely because of things like the men's beards and lighter colored hair, which differ greatly from a large part of the Japanese population.  However, that claim has been repeatedly refuted and debunked. And similarly, the truth is, none of these Tarim mummy burials were in a period of written anything, so we can't conclusively associated them with these fascinating Indo-European languages.  There are thousands of years between the various burials and the manuscripts. These people  left no notes stashed in pockets that give us their life story.   And Language is not Genetics is not Culture.  Any group may adopt a given language for a variety of reasons.  .  Still, given what we know, it is possible that the ancient people of the Tarim basin spoke some form of “Proto-Kuchean”, but it is just as likely that this language was brought in by people from Dzungaria at some point. So why does all this matter to us?  Well, remember how we were talking about someone from Tukara?  The Kuchean language, at least, is referred to in an ancient Turkic source as belonging to “Twgry”, which led several scholars to draw a link between this and the kingdom and people called Tukara and the Tokharoi.  This leads us on another bit of a chase through history. Now if you recall, back in Episode 79, we talked about Zhang Qian.  In 128 BCE, he attempted to cross the Silk Road through the territory of the Xiongnu on a mission for the Han court.  Some fifty years earlier, the Xiongnu had defeated the Yuezhi.  They held territory in the oasis towns along the north of the Taklamakan dessert, from about the Turpan basin west to the Pamirs. The Xiongnu were causing problems for the Han, who thought that if they could contact the remaining Yuezhi they could make common cause with them and harass the Xiongnu from both sides.  Zhang Qian's story is quite remarkable: he started out with an escort of some 99 men and a translator.  Unfortunately, he was captured and enslaved by the Xiongnu during his journey, and he is even said to have had a wife and fathered a child.  He remained a captive for thirteen years, but nonetheless, he was able to escape with his family and he made it to the Great Yuezhi on the far side of the Pamirs, but apparently the Yuezhi weren't interested in a treaty against the Xiongnu.  The Pamirs were apparently enough of a barrier and they were thriving in their new land.  And so Zhang Qian crossed back again through Xiongnu territory, this time taking the southern route around the Tarim basin.  He was still captured by the Xiongnu, who spared his life.  He escaped, again, two years later, returning to the Han court.  Of the original 100 explorers, only two returned: Zhang Qian and his translator.  While he hadn't obtained an alliance, he was able to detail the cultures of the area of the Yuezhi. Many feel that the Kushan Empire, which is generally said to have existed from about 30 to 375 CE,was formed from the Kushana people who were part of the Yuezhi who fled the Xiongnu. In other words, they were originally from further north, around the Tarim Basin, and had been chased out and settled down in regions that included Bactria (as in the Bactrian camel).  Zhang Qian describes reaching the Dayuan Kingdom in the Ferghana valley, then traveling south to an area that was the home of the Great Yuezhi or Da Yuezhi.  And after the Kushan empire fell, we know there was a state in the upper regions of the Oxus river, centered on the city of Balkh, in the former territory of the Kushan empire. known as “Tokara”.  Geographically, this matches up how Zhang Qian described the home of the Da Yuezhi.  Furthermore, some scholars reconstruct the reading of the Sinic characters used for “Yuezhi” as originally having an optional reading of something like “Togwar”, but that is certainly not the most common reconstructed reading of those characters.  Greek sources describe this area as the home of the Tokharoi, or the Tokaran People.  The term “Tukhara” is also found in Sanskrit, and this kingdom  was also said to have sent ambassadors to the Southern Liang and Tang dynasties. We aren't exactly certain of where these Tokharan people came from, but as we've just described, there's a prevailing theory that they were the remnants of the Yuezhi and Kushana people originally from the Tarim Basin.  We know that in the 6th century they came under the rule of the Gokturk Khaganate, which once spanned from the Liao river basin to the Black Sea.  In the 7th and 8th centuries they came under the rule of the Tang Empire, where they were known by very similar characters as those used to write “Tukara” in the Nihon Shoki.  On top of this, we see Tokharans traveling the Silk Road, all the way to the Tang court.  Furthermore, Tokharans that settled in Chang'an took the surname “Zhi” from the ethnonym “Yuezhi”, seemingly laying claim to and giving validation to the identity used back in the Han dynasty.   So, we have a Turkic record describing the Kuchean people (as in, from Kucha in the Tarim Basin) as “Twgry”, and we have a kingdom in Bactria called Tokara and populated (according to the Greeks) by people called Tokharoi.  You can see how this one term has been a fascinating rabbit hole in the study of the Silk Roads and their history.  And some scholars understandably suggested that perhaps the Indo-European languags found in Kucha and Turpan  were actually related to this “Tokhara” – and therefore  should be called “Tocharian”, specifically Tocharian A (Kuchean) or Tocharian B (Turfanian). The problem is that if the Tokharans were speaking “Tocharian” then you wouldn't expect to just see it at Kucha and Turpan, which are about the middle of the road between Tokhara and the Tang dynasty, and which had long been under Gokturk rule.  You would also expect to see it in the areas of Bactria associated with Tokhara.  However, that isn't what we see.  Instead, we see that Bactria was the home of local Bactrian language—an Eastern Iranian language, which, though it is part of the Indo European language family, it is not closely related to Tocharian as far as we can tell. It is possible that the people of Kucha referred to themselves as something similar to “Twgry”, or “Tochari”, but we should also remember that comes from a Turkic source, and it could have been an exonym not related to what they called themselves.  I should also note that language is not people.  It is also possible that a particular ethnonym was maintained separately by two groups that may have been connected politically but which came to speak different languages for whatever reason.   There could be a connection between the names, or it could even be that the same or similar exonym was used for different groups. So, that was a lot and a bit of a ramble, but a lot of things that I find interesting—even if they aren't as connected as they may appear.  We have the Tarim mummies, which are, today, held at a museum in modern Urumqi.  Whether they had any connection with Europe or not, they remain a fascinating study for the wealth of material items found in and around the Tarim basin and similar locations.  And then there is the saga of the Tocharian languages—or perhaps more appropriately the Kuchean-Turfanian languages: Indo-European languages that seem to be well outside of where we would expect to find them. Finally, just past the Pamirs, we get to the land of Tokhara or Tokharistan.  Even without anything else, we know that they had contact with the court.  Perhaps our castaways were from this land?  The name is certainly similar to what we see in the Nihon Shoki, using some of the same characters. All in all, art and other information suggest that the area of the Tarim basin and the Silk Road in general were quite cosmopolitan, with many different people from different regions of the world.  Bactria retained Hellenic influences ever since the conquests of Alexander of Macedonia, aka Alexander the Great, and Sogdian and Persian traders regularly brought their caravans through the region to trade.  And once the Tang dynasty controlled all of the routes, that just made travel that much easier, and many people traveled back and forth. So from that perspective, it is possible that one or more people from Tukhara may have made the crossing from their home all the way to the Tang court, but if they did so, the question still remains: why would they be in a boat? Utilizing overland routes, they would have hit Chang'an or Louyang, the dual capitals of the Tang empire, well before they hit the ocean.  However, the Nihon Shoki says that these voyagers first came ashore at Amami and then later says that they were trying to get to the Tang court. Now there was another “Silk Road” that isn't as often mentioned: the sea route, following the coast of south Asia, around through the Malacca strait and north along the Asian coast.  This route is sometimes viewed more in terms of the “spice” road If these voyagers set out to get to the Tang court by boat, they would have to have traveled south to the Indian Ocean—possibly traveling through Shravasti or Sha'e, depending on the route they chose to take—and then around the Malacca strait—unless they made it on foot all the way to Southeast Asia.  And then they would have taken a boat up the coast. Why do that instead of taking the overland route?  They could likely have traveled directly to the Tang court over the overland silk road.  Even the from Southeast Asia could have traveled up through Yunnan and made their way to the Tang court that way.  In fact, Zhang Qian had wondered something similar when he made it to the site of the new home of the Yuezhi, in Bactria.  Even then, in the 2nd century, he saw products in the marketplace that he identified as coming from around Szechuan.  That would mean south of the Han dynasty, and he couldn't figure out how those trade routes might exist and they weren't already known to the court.  Merchants would have had to traverse the dangerous mountains if they wanted to avoid being caught by the Xiongnu, who controlled the entire region. After returning to the Han court, Zhang Qian actually went out on another expedition to the south, trying to find the southern trade routes, but apparently was not able to do so.  That said, we do see, in later centuries, the trade routes open up between the area of the Sichuan basin and South Asia.  We also see the migrations of people further south, and there may have even been some Roman merchants who traveled up this route to find their way to the Han court, though those accounts are not without their own controversy. In either case, whether by land or sea, these trade routes were not always open.  In some cases, seasonal weather, such as monsoons, might dictate movement back and forth, while political realities were also a factor.  Still, it is worth remembering that even though most people were largely concerned with affairs in their own backyard, the world was still more connected than people give it credit for.  Tang dynasty pottery made its way to the east coast of Africa, and ostriches were brought all the way to Chang'an. As for the travelers from Tukhara and why they would take this long and very round-about method of travel, it is possible that they were just explorers, seeking new routes, or even on some kind of pilgrimage.  Either way, they would have been way off course. But if they did pass through Southeast Asia, that would match up with another theory about what “Tukara” meant: that it actually refers to the Dvaravati kingdom in what is now modern Thailand.  The Dvaravati Kingdom was a Mon political entity that rose up around the 6th century.  It even sent embassies to the Sui and Tang courts.  This is even before the temple complexes in Siem Reap, such as Preah Ko and the more famous Angkor Wat.  And it was during this time that the ethnic Tai people are thought to have started migrating south from Yunnan, possibly due to pressures from the expanding Sui and Tang empires.  Today, most of what remains of the Dvaravati kingdom are the ruins of ancient stone temples, showing a heavy Indic influence, and even early Buddhist practices as well.  “Dvaravati” may not actually be the name of the kingdom but it comes from an inscription on a coin found from about that time.  The Chinese refer to it as  “To-lo-po-ti” in contemporary records.  It may not even have been a kingdom, but  more of a confederation of city-states—it is hard to piece everything together.  That it was well connected, though, is clear from the archaeological record.  In Dvaravati sites, we see coins from as far as Rome, and we even have a lamp found in modern Pong Tuk that appears to match similar examples from the Byzantine Empire in the 6th century.  Note that this doesn't mean it arrived in the 6th century—similarly with the coins—but the Dvaravati state lasted until the 12th century. If that was the case, perhaps there were some women from a place called “Shravasti” or similar, especially given the Indic influence in the region. Now, given the location of the Dvaravati, it wouldn't be so farfetched to think that someone might sail up from the Gulf of Thailand and end up off-course, though it does mean sailing up the entire Ryukyuan chain or really running off course and finding yourself adrift on the East China sea.  And if they were headed to the Tang court, perhaps they did have translators or knew Chinese, since Yamato was unlikely to know the Mon language of Dvaravati and people from Dvaravati probably wouldn't know the Japonic language.  Unless, perhaps, they were communicating through Buddhist priests via Sanskrit. We've now heard two possibilities for Tukara, both pretty far afield: the region of Tokara in Bactria, and the Dvaravati kingdom in Southeast Asia.  That said, the third and simplest explanation—and the one favored by Aston in his translation of the Nihon Shoki—is that Tukara is actually referring to a place in the Ryukyu island chain.  Specifically, there is a “Tokara” archipelago, which spans between Yakushima and Amami-Oshima.  This is part of the Nansei islands, and the closest part of the Ryukyuan island chain to the main Japanese archipelago.  This is the most likely theory, and could account for the entry talking about Amami.  It is easy to see how sailors could end up adrift, too far north, and come to shore in Hyuga, aka Himuka, on the east side of Kyushu.  It certainly would make more sense for them to be from this area of the Ryukyuan archipelago than from anywhere else.  From Yakushima to Amami-Oshima is the closest part of the island chain to Kyushu, and as we see in the entry from the Shoku Nihongi, those three places seem to have been connected as being near to Japan.  So what was going on down there, anyway? Well, first off, let's remember that the Ryukyuan archipelago is not just the island of Okinawa, but a series of islands that go from Kyushu all the way to the island of Taiwan.  Geographically speaking, they are all part of the same volcanic ridge extending southward.  The size of the islands and their distance from each other does vary, however, creating some natural barriers in the form of large stretches of open water, which have shaped how various groups developed on the islands. Humans came to the islands around the same time they were reaching the Japanese mainland.  In fact, some of our only early skeletal remains for early humans in Japan actually come from either the Ryukyuan peninsula in the south or around Hokkaido to the north, and that has to do with the acidity of the soil in much of mainland Japan. Based on genetic studies, we know that at least two groups appear to have inhabited the islands from early times.  One group appears to be related to the Jomon people of Japan, while the other appears to be more related to the indigenous people of Taiwan, who, themselves, appear to have been the ancestors of many Austronesian people.  Just as some groups followed islands to the south of Taiwan, some appear to have headed north.  However, they only made it so far.  As far as I know there is no evidence they made it past Miyakoshima, the northernmost island in the Sakishima islands.  Miyako island is separated from the next large island, Okinawa, by a large strait, known as the Miyako Strait, though sometimes called the Kerama gap in English.  It is a 250km wide stretch of open ocean, which is quite the distance for anyone to travel, even for Austronesian people of Taiwan, who had likely not developed the extraordinary navigational technologies that the people who would become the Pacific Islanders would discover. People on the Ryukyu island chain appear to have been in contact with the people of the Japanese archipelago since at least the Jomon period, and some of the material artifacts demonstrate a cultural connection.  That was likely impacted by the Akahoya eruption, about 3500 years ago, and then re-established at a later date.  We certainly see sea shells and corals trade to the people of the Japanese islands from fairly early on. Unlike the people on the Japanese archipelago, the people of the Ryukyuan archipelago did not really adopt the Yayoi and later Kofun culture.  They weren't building large, mounded tombs, and they retained the character of a hunter-gatherer society, rather than transitioning to a largely agricultural way of life.  The pottery does change in parts of Okinawa, which makes sense given the connections between the regions.  Unfortunately, there is a lot we don't know about life in the islands around this time.  We don't exactly have written records, other than things like the entries in the Nihon Shoki, and those are hardly the most detailed of accounts.  In the reign of Kashikiya Hime, aka Suiko Tennou, we see people from Yakushima, which is, along with Tanegashima, one of the largest islands at the northern end of the Ryukyu chain, just before you hit Kagoshima and the Osumi peninsula on the southern tip of Kyushu.  The islands past that would be the Tokara islands, until you hit the large island of Amami. So you can see how it would make sense that the people from “Tokara” would make sense to be from the area between Yakushima and Amami, and in many ways this explanation seems too good to be true.  There are a only a few things that make this a bit peculiar. First, this doesn't really explain the woman from “Sha'e” in any compelling way that I can see.  Second, the name, Kenzuhashi Tatsuna doesn't seem to fit with what we generally know about early Japonic names, and the modern Ryukyuan language certainly is a Japonic language, but there are still plenty of possible explanations.  There is also the connection of Tokara with “Tokan”, which is mentioned in an entry in 699 in the Shoku Nihongi, the Chronicle that follows on, quite literally to the Nihon Shoki.  Why would they call it “Tokan” instead of “Tokara” so soon after?  Also, why would these voyagers go back to their country by way of the Tang court?  Unless, of course, that is where they were headed in the first place.  In which case, did the Man from Tukara intentionally leave his wife in Yamato, or was she something of a hostage while they continued on their mission?   And so those are the theories.  The man from “Tukara” could be from Tokhara, or Tokharistan, at the far end of the Silk Road.  Or it could have been referring to the Dvaravati Kingdom, in modern Thailand.  Still, in the end, Occam's razor suggests that the simplest answer is that these were actually individuals from the Tokara islands in the Ryukyuan archipelago.  It is possible that they were from Amami, not that they drifted there.  More likely, a group from Amami drifted ashore in Kyushu as they were trying to find a route to the Tang court, as they claimed.  Instead they found themselves taking a detour to the court of Yamato, instead. And we could have stuck with that story, but I thought that maybe, just maybe, this would be a good time to reflect once again on how connected everything was.  Because even if they weren't from Dvaravati, that Kingdom was still trading with Rome and with the Tang.  And the Tang controlled the majority of the overland silk road through the Tarim basin.  We even know that someone from Tukhara made it to Chang'an, because they were mentioned on a stele that talked about an Asian sect of Christianity, the “Shining Religion”, that was praised and allowed to set up shop in the Tang capital, along with Persian Manicheans and Zoroastrians.  Regardless of where these specific people may have been from, the world was clearly growing only more connected, and prospering, as well. Next episode we'll continue to look at how things were faring between the archipelago and the continent. Until then thank you for listening and for all of your support. If you like what we are doing, please tell your friends and feel free to rate us wherever you listen to podcasts.  If you feel the need to do more, and want to help us keep this going, we have information about how you can donate on Patreon or through our KoFi site, ko-fi.com/sengokudaimyo, or find the links over at our main website,  SengokuDaimyo.com/Podcast, where we will have some more discussion on topics from this episode. Also, feel free to reach out to our Sengoku Daimyo Facebook page.  You can also email us at the.sengoku.daimyo@gmail.com.  Thank you, also, to Ellen for their work editing the podcast. And that's all for now.  Thank you again, and I'll see you next episode on Sengoku Daimyo's Chronicles of Japan.  

Dans cet épisode, nous vous emmenons au Cambodge.Pays au riche héritage culturel et historique, le Cambodge est célèbre pour son site emblématique d'Angkor Wat, sa capitale emblématique Phnom Penh, ses plages de Sihanoukville et ses îles tropicales voisines qui séduisent par leur beauté naturelle.Que faire au Cambodge ?Siem ReapCommencez votre [circuit au Cambodge: https://www.selectour.com/cambodge/circuit], par plusieurs jours dans la ville de Siem Rep, à faire absolument durant votre voyage au Cambodge.Partez à la découverte des villages flottants, visitez la Ferme de la Soie à Siem Reap et découvrez les senteurs d'Angkor.Profitez-en pour aller également faire un tour du marché de Siem Reap.Explorez les mythiques temples de Siem Reap, avec Angkor Wat (le plus grand et le mieux conservé), le Temple de Bayon (des tours aux quatre visages représentant un Bouddha) et le Temple de Ta Prohm (rendu célèbre par le film Tomb Raider).BattambangQue faire au Cambodge après Siem Reap ?À Battambang, nous vous proposons la visite d'une maison traditionnelle, d'une pagode, de villages typiques. On peut apercevoir des nuées de chauves-souris dans les arbres à certains endroits.Ensuite, partez pour une expérience inédite à faire au Cambodge, il s'agit du Bamboo Train. Il trouve ses racines dans les années sombres de la guerre civile cambodgienne, lorsque les voies ferrées du pays ont été détruites. Face à ce défi, les habitants locaux ont créé de manière improvisée une solution ingénieuse : une plateforme en bambou posée sur des roues en métal, propulsée par un petit moteur à essence.Phnom PenhPour la suite de notre circuit au Cambodge, faire une visite de la capitale est un classique à ne pas manquer.Dans la capitale cambodgienne, allez à la découverte de son magnifique Palais Royal et sa Pagode d'Argent. Profitez-en pour faire un tour dans le Musée National à l'édifice très original.Sihanoukville et les îles voisinesNotre circuit sur que faire au Cambodge touche bientôt à fin, mais il vous sera impossible de partir sans faire un arrêt à Sihanoukville et les îles avoisinantes.Ville portuaire du Sud du Cambodge, Sihanoukville est l'unique port maritime en eau profonde du pays.Sihanoukville est la porte vers les îles paradisiaques comme Kho Rong et Kho Rong Samloem.Un voyage qui vaut le détour, puisque vous arriverez sur une île paradisiaque où la nature est préservée et où les paysages sont époustouflants.Pourquoi voyager au Cambodge ?Malgré un passé difficile, le Cambodge se relève et affirme sa beauté à des touristes plus nombreux chaque année. Entre traditions et modernité, vous découvrirez des monuments millénaires et une population des plus accueillantes.Pays du sourire, le Cambodge est un pays attachant, chaleureux et généreux qui ne vous laissera pas indifférent.Si vous souhaitez en savoir plus sur la destination et, pourquoi pas, préparer votre prochain [circuit au Cambodge: https://www.selectour.com/cambodge/circuit], n'hésitez pas à faire appel à nos [experts: https://www.selectour.com/agent/recherche?postalCode=&city=&favoriteDestination=KH&page=1] !À bientôt dans le cockpit !Hébergé par Ausha. Visitez ausha.co/politique-de-confidentialite pour plus d'informations.

Brad Crowell and guest co-host, author and actor Clare Solly, dive into key insights from Mark Collins' discussion about releasing imposter syndrome and living a more authentic life. They reflect on how “I Am” statements can ground your identity beyond job titles and external labels. Tune in for practical tips on shifting from life “management” to true mastery, plus why believing in who you are transforms both your personal and professional worlds.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why success can't erase imposter syndrome.Shifting from habit-based life “management” to true life “mastery”.The power of “I Am” statements for personal identity.How daily affirmations spark clarity.Seeing yourself as a hero instead of relying on external validation.Episode References/Links:Cambodia February 2025 Retreat - https://lesleylogan.co/retreatsCambodia October 2025 Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comAccessories Flashcards Waitlist - https://opc.me/flashcardwaitlistPilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/acceleratorClare Solly's Website – https://claresolly.comCliftonStrengths - https://beitpod.com/cliftonstrengthsMark Collins Website - https://www.freedom-for-life.netLife Mastery - Life by Design by Mark Collins - https://a.co/d/bf0KDuoMark Collins Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FreedForLifeMark Collins Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_freedomforlifeMark Collins YouTube: https://beitpod.com/markyoutubeMark Collins LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/mark-collins-freedom-for-life If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. DEALS! 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DEALS!Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox Be in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramThe Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channelFacebookLinkedInThe OPC YouTube Channel Episode Transcript:Brad Crowell 0:00  We talk about "I Help" statements a lot when we're coaching our clients because you got this elevator pitch of what you say to someone else, but we never talk about the elevator pitch that we say to ourselves.Lesley Logan 0:10  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Brad Crowell 0:54  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap. Brad here again today with a very special guest of ours, who, if you've been listening over the last couple of weeks, she's joined us, stepping in for Lesley, Clare Solly. Clare is one of Lesley's, yeah, welcome back. Clare is one of Lesley's besties. They go way back to just after college they got a chance to work together, and they started a shoe company together then you guys had a blog together when you were living across the country, all the things. I mean, I don't know, I feel like I might have, you might have been one of the first people I was introduced to when I ever met Lesley, even though I think you were already in New York at that point. Clare Solly 1:27  Yeah, I was, yeah, yeah. Brad Crowell 1:29  Pretty cool. I think it's amazing. So basically, Clare is an actress, actor. She's an author. She's Lesley's slingshot friend from New York City all the way back in episode 19, and today I have the pleasure of having Clare join me to talk about Mark Collins. We're going to dig into that transformative convo that Lesley had with Mark on our last episode. If you have not yet listened to that, feel free to pause us now go back and listen to that. And actually you might want to listen to it twice. It was like nuggets of wisdom, like boom, boom, boom, kept coming and to the point where I was like, can I just rewind 30 seconds and let him say that again and rewind 30 seconds, I mean, it was pretty.Clare Solly 2:06  I rewound. Get your finger ready on the rewind button.Brad Crowell 2:10  Well, Clare, tell us about today. Clare Solly 2:12  Today is January 23rd and I'm very excited about this one. It is National Clashing Clothes Day. Brad Crowell 2:20  I'm so excited. I love that. Hold on. I was just reaching for something that I could clash with. So I want to put on my blue and green hat at the same time.Clare Solly 2:27  Although, you know, that's complimentary, but, oh, but yes, but, yeah, fantastic, beautiful. I tell everyone sometimes I dress like a kindergartner because I'm like, I want to wear that shirt and these shoes and those pants and this too, too. And sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. So National Clashing Clothes Day is the fourth Thursday of January every year, mark it in you calendars and people are encouraged to dress in head to toe clashing clothes anything neutral, like a black, a gray, a white, not allowed today. Brad Crowell 3:00  Yeah, no dice. That's a no go. Clare Solly 3:03  No go. Brad Crowell 3:04  Burn it.Clare Solly 3:04  Have fun with your clothes. Make people ask questions. Why not? And mix colors, prints, textiles, be clashtastic. Go for it. Brad Crowell 3:13  Clashtastic. I love it. Well, y'all, why don't you be clashtastic with us in Cambodia, we're going back in just a few weeks. We'll be there at end of February. We've got to retreat, but we have another one coming up in October of this year. And I think that we just had an offer that may be coming to a close right now or just closed, but if you hit me up and you say, hey, I just heard this on the pod, can I make sure to get that offer? It's a big offer. Okay? It's basically the early bird special, and only the people on the waitlist got that offer. If you're not on the waitlist and you want to go see what we're talking about here, go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. Check out the dates for October. Go take a quick look and see if that offer is still happening. If not, just just ping me and I will sort it out for you. But it has to be like right after this episode comes out, if you're listening this six months from now, I can't honor that, so I love you very much. I'm trying to take care of you. Go check it out. crowsnestretreats.com. Lesley and I will take you to our house and our favorite place in the world. Siem Reap, Cambodia. Lesley also has been working super diligently on the flash cards accessories deck, the sixth deck in the series. Get on the waitlist for that, go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist, so that you can get 30% off offer, because only the people on the waitlist get that. Go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist. If you are feeling stuck in your Pilates business, I want you to join me for a free Profitable Pilates Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator webinar. Okay, if you're feeling.Clare Solly 4:40  And why would you not hang out with Brad for free?Brad Crowell 4:42  Yeah come hang out. Come hang out. It will be so fun. We were feeling like, how come I'm not making enough money, or I'm barely making enough money? How come I'm not getting any new clients, but I need new clients? Or I don't know what to do for my social media or my newsletters or any of that kind of stuff. Lesley and I have been able to coach more than 2500 businesses over the past seven years, and we've boiled it down to three massive secrets that I will be sharing with you for free on this webinar. So go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator. So come hang out with us. It's going to be a blast. But before we get into this convo that Lesley had with Mark Collins, we have an audience question. And the audience question is Lesley asking Clare directly, do you do a handwritten or do you do a digital calendar? Love Lesley.Clare Solly 5:58  It feels crazy that this question was being asked of me by day, I daylight as an executive assistant, so my life is a calendar. Brad Crowell 6:06  Don't tell your boss, that's your daylighting. Clare Solly 6:09  Yeah, huh? Brad Crowell 6:10  So don't tell your boss, it's only daylighting.Clare Solly 6:12  Oh, yeah, I'm in it to win it. I'm here for you always. But yeah, I mean, I work on a calendar, so I am 100% digital, almost to my detriment, because among the many things I do, I run a couple of theater companies. And so it's like, there's a theater company calendar and Clare Solly's calendar. And then I have a Bookstagram calendar, rewind to the last episode recap if you want to talk about Bookstagram. Brad Crowell 6:35  Oh yeah. Clare Solly 6:36  And then I have, like, my personal whatever calendar, and every grand once in a while I catch myself up and I don't cross calendars, but yeah, thank goodness that they all integrate these days and then I'm good at color coding. Brad Crowell 6:48  You're right on the money there. The color coding is the secret because we live exactly the same way. Because, I've got my personal calendar, then I have my work calendar, then I have a Brad and Lesley shared personal calendar, then a Brad and Lesley shared work calendar, and then Lesley has her personal calendar and her work calendar, right? And we are sharing two of those, but we've got all of it, and that's just our stuff. Then we have all the things that we do with a company. We've got this calendar and that calendar and those you know, when we brought on our executive assistants, the first thing we had to do was debrief why it's such a crazy (inaudible) thing, but it's a system that works, and color coding is the secret. I can visually just identify what's happening in my day, generally. That's for the win. But that wasn't the question, do you do a handwritten calendar? Clare Solly 7:37  I have. Above my desk at home, I have a handwritten calendar. Brad Crowell 7:42  Okay. Clare Solly 7:43  That I put, it's funny, I put anything I have that's fun on. So when I'm at work, I can look up and be like, oh, I'm traveling in 10 days, or oh, I have theater tickets next week. Brad Crowell 7:56  Nice. Clare Solly 7:57  So the handwritten calendar is for the fun stuff (inaudible). Brad Crowell 7:59  Special occasions. (inaudible). That's a great idea. Clare Solly 8:03  Or both. Brad Crowell 8:04  Yeah, how about that? Both. I think that's great. Okay, amazing. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about Mark Collins. Okay, let's talk about Mark Collins. Mark is the founder of Freedom for Life and author of Life Mastery: Living Life by Design, Not by Default. It's a leadership guide that empowers individuals to unlock their true potential with a mission to help people overcome imposter syndrome and align with their authentic selves. Mark offers actionable strategies for mastering thoughts, words and actions. Inspired by his own transformative journey, he equips clients to live with intentionality. I think it's amazing.Clare Solly 8:43  I love that. Such a good word, intentionality. I loved everything he said in this. Again, it's the gift that keeps on giving. I'm gonna go listen to it again, like I'm gonna bookmark it and listen to it when I'm feeling, you know, down and out. But I loved that he talked about imposter syndrome and identity sabotage and that you can't success away imposter syndrome or anxiety, or any of those other things that we do. It was one of those, yeah, of course, duh. But also, like brain explode moments. And he emphasized that success is amazing, but it's a poor substitute for identity. You are not your success. It's what comes from you being you. I love that. Rather than chasing that external validation, he encouraged us to ground ourselves in our authentic selves, and I feel like that's sort of the journey that I'm on right now. So this one rang so true to me. I was so excited that you asked me to recap them, because often I'll listen to them and I'm talking back during the recaps. I'm like, yeah, I totally agree. Brad Crowell 9:49  That's awesome. Clare Solly 9:50  And I'll probably listen to this recap and agree with both of us here. Brad Crowell 9:53  Yeah. You're like, I agree with that point that I made. Clare Solly 9:56  Yeah, yeah. And speaking of agreeing, I felt like I was kind of on the edge of my seat when Lesley asked him is imposter syndrome beneficial? And I was like and then makes fun. And I was like, wait, is that, like, maybe I'm doing this right or wrong all along? (inaudible) There's no healthy imposter syndrome, because what imposter syndrome says is I'm not qualified for where I'm at.Brad Crowell 10:23  Yeah, it's like this own perspective. I used to do this when I was working at the tech company. Y'all have heard me talk about this over the years that I worked for a tech company, and it was like this crazy, chaotic environment, and it was basically survival of the fittest. If you could get along and you could figure out how to get money for your project in this startup house, then you could survive. And I'm good at negotiating stressful situations that I'm also really good at operational catastrophes. When something blows up, because somehow, inevitably, it blew up all the freaking time there, I could figure out the way through. But the entire time that I was doing this really high wire rope act, the story I was telling myself is, I'm just a musician. I don't even know why I'm here. I would never get paid this if I went and worked somewhere else, so I'm gonna stay even though it wasn't that awesome. There were definitely moments of awesome, but as a whole, it was a challenging experience. But the story I told myself is I would never be hired to do this job anywhere else, and this is my opportunity to do it. So I'm just gonna do it. You know and that sucks. Clare Solly 11:24  Yeah. I feel like we all sort of have a story like that too. That was me when I was in the event planning world, like I'm never gonna get this experience. I need to be here and dig in and live this life and be this person, live this life for right now. Because, you know, it's not. Brad Crowell 11:39  Yeah, well, you know, I'm just theater kid, or I'm just a, I'm a trombone player. Like, what am I doing running a company, you know? And so I totally get that. What I also found amazing was his idea about success. He said for one of his clients, success was like, relief. Clare Solly 11:54  Yeah. Brad Crowell 11:55  That was like, whoa, is that me? Holy cow. Because you've built this expectation of success, and what does it mean to be successful? And when you close the deal, because he was a real estate guy, and he's, like, closing a multimillion dollar deal, and like, the next multi million dollar deal he does, he felt like he's just lucky to get it again. And that goes really hand in hand with that imposter syndrome. And kind of amazing. One thing that he said, that I thought was really interesting was really interesting, was he introduced this concept of Life Mastery. Clare Solly 12:25  Yeah. Brad Crowell 12:25  And he said, you know when you live from who you're created to be, when you know who you are, when you live from that, that is the easiest life possible. Okay? And that sounds pretty straightforward, pretty obvious, but that's like, pretty profound. He explained that you're created to be operating at your highest level. When you're not doing what you're meant to be doing, then you're not able to operate at your highest level. The reason I know this is because I built websites. I am not a developer, but could I do it? Yeah. (inaudible) But every time I would, yeah, but every time I'd have to go back and relearn what I should have already known. And like, you know, it was just always a push, always a struggle. So, like, there's the things of, can you do it? Yes. Should you be doing it? Maybe not. And I think when you're doing the can I be doing it? Yes. Should I be doing it? Yes. Now you're living in where you're meant to be, you know, and that is going to really put you in this position where you can live a life, the easiest life that you're meant to be. Things are going to feel like they're flowing. It's also going to be a lot more fun. We've talked about this a million times, if we've ever talked about it, but StrengthsFinders, CliftonStrengths now is what they call it, it allows you to identify your strengths, and when you're operating in your strengths, things feel like they flow. They feel more enjoyable. You feel like you're winning. And so when people come into our company, we have them take this quiz, and the reason we do is because it really guides us as a company to know where is this person going to succeed, and it will help them feel more fulfilled. They're going to be happier doing their job, and they're going to do their job well, because it's going to feel innate to them. That's a recipe for success there. You know, he said it contrasts with life management. And this was another interesting thing he mentioned, where he's like, you know, I've done a lot of self help things. And he said what it often becomes is this series of rules. It helps me in the change in the moment, but it doesn't help me long term, because then it becomes another rule. I have to live my life by long term, and that doesn't feel like it flows. And so I thought that was really interesting, because he said that doesn't sound like transformation or freedom, it sounds like exhaustion. And I was like, wow, that's true, because now you're living this regimented life that you have to do because this is what the thing was so just again, really fascinating stuff.Clare Solly 14:50  Yeah, I mean, I think you, Lesley and I, I feel like we have some version of this conversation every time we get together, the good tired versus the bad tired. You're always tired at the end of the day. Because you've had a day, but if you're doing things that fulfill you, that make you happy, and you're living your authentic life, and you're not sitting in this imposter syndrome, you're not working really hard, you're not pushing against a wall, as opposed to, like the bad tired when you're just exhausted and you're just banging your head against a wall and going in the wrong direction, working in those companies, or working in those jobs that you're not right for, you're not fulfilling, or you're sitting in imposter syndrome and you're continually trying to reach for success when you're just questioning yourself over and over and over. So I'm going to listen to this podcast, he knows so much. Brad Crowell 15:36  Yeah, absolutely. Well, stick around. We'll be right back to dig into those, Be It Action Items, with Mark Collins. All right, welcome back. I said, with Mark Collins, I should have said, from Mark Collins, let's get into it. Let's talk about those. Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from Lesley's convo with Mark? I'll jump right in. He said hey, start with an "I Am" statement.Clare Solly 16:00  It's harder than you think it is. Brad Crowell 16:02  Yeah, I haven't done this exercise yet, but this is really intriguing to me. An "I Am" statement, who you are, apart from your things, who you think you'll become. I used to nerd out on this kind of stuff when I was in my teens, because I used to like network as my job. I used to intentionally ask people, What do you do? What is the first thing that they always say? Clare Solly 16:24  Their job. Brad Crowell 16:24  Their job. 100% of the time, people would answer with their job when I ask, "What do you do?" Then the conversation would wind down. And then they would ask me, what do you do? And I'd say, I sleep a lot. And they would go, what? Because I wasn't answering with my job, right? And it was like this mental game that I used to, I used to laugh so hard about it, because I realized that that is how we define ourselves. And I thought, when I was listening to this with Mark, I thought, man, this is so poignant, because he says, when you define yourself apart from your things or your job or your work, it's going to help you determine who you are instead of what you do by who you are versus what you do, right? And then he said, once you figure out this "I Am" statement, it becomes your affirmation, right? And you're going to use it to align with who you are. And he said do the affirmations multiple times a day, because life happens multiple times a day. And I thought that was also funny. That's also true is we have these different moments of I mean, if I look at my day, I wake up and I have my morning routine that I really enjoy, right? And I do my morning routine, and that feels like a whole separate day from then I'm like, alright, now I gotta get focused. I'm gonna spend three, four hours, and then I'm gonna, like, eat my lunch, and then hopefully I can get back in the groove and have another three, four hours before the rest of the day, right? So, you know, it is funny how it breaks up into these blocks. He emphasized, the more you tell yourself the truth, the more you will see yourself show up as a hero, that you're created to be.Clare Solly 17:53  Loved, that. Loved that. I love that we're rebranding, or we're reusing hero. Because right now, there's so many hero movies, we're all kind of relating to that, like we all kind of put in our cape the little girl with her arms out and being Wonder Woman, you know, Wonder Woman pose that was big a couple years ago. I love this, because hero, even though it's conceptual, it's something we can all tap into. We can all make it real in our lives. We all can be a hero, and that's also something we can strive for. Like, being a hero feels like anti-imposter, right? So I just, I love. Brad Crowell 18:30  That's great. That's a great way to connect the dots there. I really like that. You know, the hero is clearly confident and knows what the hell they're doing, you know, or they should, right, in the way that we envision a hero. You know, there's the anti-hero who maybe doesn't know what they're doing, but the hero, if you think of Superman, you think of the guy who knows how to solve the problem, or, you know, Batman or whatever. So, yeah, I love that. I love that. Clare Solly 18:53  I also had to laugh a little bit because I knew I was coming on and doing this recap with you. And I know you and Lesley talk about being like, one woo, two woo. And I was like, this is like the scientific side of woo. Brad Crowell 19:05  I knew there's a reason I connected with this guy.Clare Solly 19:11  I also loved the identifying moments when you are minimizing who you are, or when you're maximizing the issues and challenges that you have in your life. We all do that, like Lesley and I've talked about how we still feed drama into our lives because we knew how to deal with drama, or when you actually can do something, but yet, there's so many people around you that have done it before you or better than you, but they've paved the way. So what am I doing here? Well, I am my authentic self, and I am coming here because I have something to say, or I have a unique perspective, or I just have joy in whatever this is. So let me share with you my little corner of the world that spoke to me and I also loved the affirmations part. I loved the "I Am" statements. It was funny. As soon as I listened to it, I was like, I am, and I went right to job, right to job. And I was like, no, no. We've worked on this before, and my "I Am" statements are that I'm a creator and I'm a muse. Because I like to create things. I like to create stories. I like to create plays. I like to create environments where people find joy. And I also am a muse. I like to get together with people and talk through things and look at ideas and talk about books and pick apart things and go, how is this affecting us, and how are we putting this out into the world?Brad Crowell 20:39  I love it. I just decided my "I Am" statement. I, I'm creative, I am fun and I am happy. Clare Solly 20:45  I love this, because that's both, you know, in his sort of trajectory, It's something you are now and it's something you can do. Brad Crowell 20:57  Yeah and also, for me, it applies across what I'm passionate about, which is music, and what I do for work, which is run a company. I can be creative in music and be creative in the company, right? I can be fun in music and fun in the company, and I can be happy in music and happy in the company. When I first was talking about that, kind of had me feeling a little stuck. I like this "I Am" statement. We talk about "I Help" statements a lot when we're coaching our clients, because you got this elevator pitch of what you say to someone else, but we never talk about the elevator pitch that we say to ourselves. So I love this. Clare Solly 21:34  Yeah, it's so empowering and it can change, too. Like, it can also point you in different directions.Brad Crowell 21:40  Yeah, he had another example. I find quality answers for every problem I walk through, or I'm going to align my words and actions with the things I am and the things that I do. So, yeah, you can use the I am statement to give yourself instruction, not just speak affirmations, so.Clare Solly 21:58  And align yourself with what you are created to be, like, why you're here. I love it. Love it. That's so good.Brad Crowell 22:05  Yeah, that's amazing. Awesome. I'm Brad Crowell. Thanks so much for joining us today.Clare Solly 22:10  And I'm Lesley Logan, just kidding, I'm still Clare Solly.Brad Crowell 22:14  Check out more from Clare and follow her Bookstagram stuff. You can find all that at claresolly.com. C-L-A-R-E-S-O-L-L-Y dot com. We are so grateful that you are here, that you take the time out of your life to listen and enjoy the interviews and then hear us kind of chat about them afterwards. How are you going to use these tips in your life today? I mean, what amazing tips? I want to know. Lesley wants to know. Ping us on IG, send us a DM, or leave a comment on YouTube or send us a text, and otherwise we will catch you on the next episode. Be It Till You See It. Clare Solly 22:47  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 22:50  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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Have you ever followed a nudge that completely changed the course of your life? In this episode of It's a Mindset, I'm sharing the inspiring story of Aviv Palti, the CEO of Lifestyle Brands, co-founder of the Cambodia Rural Students Trust (CRST), and author of Empowered. Aviv and his family have had a profound impact on countless lives in Cambodia, empowering students and families to break the cycle of poverty through education. Back in 2009, Aviv's daughter was denied a life-changing school trip to Cambodia to volunteer with disadvantaged rural families. Instead of letting that opportunity slip away, Aviv and his family embraced the chance to travel to Cambodia together, volunteering to teach English at a rural school in Siem Reap province. Those two weeks would change not only their lives but the lives of thousands of rural Cambodian students and their families. Many of their students were the children of survivors of the Khmer Rouge regime and the subsequent civil war. While their parents were illiterate, they understood the incredible value of education. This experience inspired Aviv and his family to return to Cambodia several more times, eventually founding the Cambodia Rural Students Trust (CRST) in 2011. The trust was built on three pillars: Education, Empowerment, and Inspiration, with the goal of sustainably breaking the cycle of poverty and creating a ripple effect that continues to impact thousands of lives in Cambodia. Aviv is also the author of Empowered: A New Generation of Leaders, which tells the inspirational story of rural youth in Cambodia who empowered themselves and their families to rise from poverty to the middle class in just eight years. Key Episode Takeaways: The power of embracing unexpected opportunities when Aviv and his family decided to volunteer in Cambodia ultimately leading to the founding of CRST. The history and resilience of Cambodia after the Khmer Rouge regime and the civil war, and how education has become a vital tool for healing and empowerment. The CRST three pillars of Education, Empowerment, and Inspiration are helping break the cycle of poverty and creating a lasting ripple effect. The 5 steps to creating lasting impact - dream big, plan, act, correct, and continue—key steps for anyone starting an impactful project. As someone who has also experienced Cambodia's incredible beauty and humbling culture, I relate deeply to Aviv's mission. His family's commitment to making a difference is awe-inspiring, and I encourage you to listen and discover how we can all contribute to this transformative work. Just $25 can make a difference, and I've personally donated to this incredible initiative. About the Guest: Aviv Palti is the CEO of Lifestyle Brands, a homewares company he co-founded 40 years ago. In 2011, along with his family, Aviv founded the Cambodia Rural Students Trust (CRST), a non-government organisation based in Siem Reap, Cambodia. Built on the three pillars of Education, Empowerment and Inspiration, CRST has sustainably broken countless cycles of poverty, and continues to create a far-reaching ripple effect impacting thousands of lives. Show Resources: Check Out the CRST Website - HERE Connect with Aviv on LinkedIn - HERE Follow the CRST on Instagram - HERE Follow CRST on Facebook - HERE Follow Emma, the Podcast Host on Instagram - HERE Learn More about Emma's New Book, Worthy and Wealthy - HERE If you LOVED the episode, make sure you share it on your Instagram stories and tag us @emmalagerlow and @crst_ngo. Don't forget to grab Aviv's book or donate to this worthy cause if you have the opportunity! Listen to Episode 37 now and be inspired by the incredible work Aviv and his family are doing to empower students in Cambodia and break the poverty cycle through education. Yours in Empowerment, Emma. X.

Andy Wang, a young office employee working in Shanghai, recently booked flights from Shanghai to South Korea's Jeju island for the upcoming Spring Festival holiday. The round-trip airfare cost him a little over 2,000 yuan ($274), half the price for round-trip flights from Shanghai to popular domestic destinations such as Harbin in Northeast China's Heilongjiang province.在上海工作的年轻人王安迪最近预订了春节期间从上海飞往韩国济州岛的往返机票，票价为2000多元人民币（约合274美元），这一价格仅为上海飞往国内热门城市如东北黑龙江省哈尔滨市等地往返机票价格的一半。Going on a trip to celebrate the holiday, which starts in late January, has become a new trend among Chinese consumers, and many like Wang have found that some overseas destinations offer better value for money compared with domestic ones. For example, it is cheaper to book flights to Bangkok, Thailand, than to Sanya, Hainan province, during the break.春节期间外出旅行已成为中国消费者的新潮流，许多像王先生这样的消费者发现，与国内旅游相比，一些海外旅游目的地更具性价比。例如，春节期间飞往泰国曼谷的机票比飞往中国海南省三亚市的机票更便宜。Spring Festival bookings for outbound flights and international hotels this year have already more than doubled compared with the same period last year, according to Qunar, a Beijing-based online travel agency.据总部位于北京的在线旅游机构去哪儿网的数据显示，今年春节期间出境航班和国际酒店的预订量较去年同期已翻了两倍以上。International airfares for the eight-day holiday have on average dropped 12 percent year-on-year, while airfares for some popular destinations such as Tokyo in Japan, Cairo in Egypt and Ho Chi Minh City in Vietnam have on average dropped 20 percent year-on-year, data from Qunar showed.去哪儿网数据还显示，在春节八天假期期间，国际机票价格同比平均下降了12%，而前往日本东京、埃及开罗和越南胡志明市等热门目的地的机票价格同比平均下降了20%。For some niche destinations in countries such as India, South Africa, Saudi Arabia, Mexico and Argentina, hotel rates for the Spring Festival holiday have on average plummeted by over 40 percent year-on-year, the online travel agency found.该在线旅游机构还发现，春节期间，印度、南非、沙特阿拉伯、墨西哥和阿根廷等小众旅游目的地的酒店价格同比平均下降了40%以上。"Spring Festival is the most important traditional festival in China, and Chinese people tend to go home for family reunions or take short trips within the country. Therefore, major domestic destinations, especially those popular for winter tourism, witness a surge in prices during the holiday," said Cai Muzi, a researcher for Qunar.去哪儿网研究员蔡木子表示：“春节是中国最重要的传统节日，中国人更倾向于选择回家团圆、国内短途游。因此，国内各大旅游城市、尤其是适合冬季旅游的城市，在春节假期会出现不同程度的涨价。”As most foreign countries neither have the tradition of celebrating Spring Festival, nor do they have public holiday during the time, the travel rush is relatively low, Cai said.蔡木子说，由于国外并没有过春节的传统，也不处于假期，因此旅游高峰期相对平缓。"With fewer number of tourists, the price fluctuations are not significant overseas, which makes outbound travel to some places cheaper than domestic tourism," she added.“由于国外游客数量减少，海外价格波动不大，会出现一些出境游比国内游更便宜的现象。”她补充道。According to Qunar, Chinese users of the online platform have booked flights to more than 1,300 cities in 96 countries for the Spring Festival break.据去哪儿网称，今年该平台的中国用户春节预订遍布96个国家的1300多个城市。Some overseas destinations that have recorded higher growth in terms of flight booking volume include Siem Reap in Cambodia, Nagoya and Sapporo in Japan, Budapest in Hungary and Hanoi in Vietnam. Flight bookings to these places have more than tripled year-on-year, Qunar said.去哪儿网表示，航班预订量增长较高的出境游城市包括柬埔寨暹粒、日本名古屋、匈牙利布达佩斯、越南河内、日本札幌等，增幅均在2倍以上。To cash in on this holiday travel trend, a number of domestic carriers have increased their capacities on multiple international routes.为了抓住这一假日旅行热潮，多家国内航空公司增加了多条国际航线的运力。In mid-December, China Southern Airlines increased the frequency of its flight between Guangzhou, Guangdong province, and Phuket, Thailand, raising the number from seven round-trips per week to 14. The carrier has also increased the frequency of its flights connecting Guangzhou to Chiang Mai in Thailand and Sabah in Malaysia.12月中旬，中国南方航空将广东省广州市与泰国普吉岛之间的往返航线从每周7个增加至14个。同时，该航空公司还增加了广州与泰国清迈、广州与马来西亚沙巴的航线。China Southern has announced that starting in January, it will resume its flights from Zhengzhou, Henan province, to Bangkok; from Shenyang, Liaoning province, to Bangkok; and from Changsha, Hunan province, to Singapore.中国南方航空还宣布，从1月起，将恢复郑州至曼谷、沈阳至曼谷和长沙至新加坡的航班。A recent trend report by Singapore-based budget carrier Scoot said that Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand have become popular destinations for Chinese travelers, partly due to their visa-free entry policies and proximity to China, with many people buying tickets just one week in advance.新加坡廉航公司酷航最近的一份趋势报告显示，新加坡、马来西亚和泰国已成为中国游客的热门目的地，部分原因在于这些国家与中国相邻且对中国游客免签，许多中国游客会提前一周购买机票。plummetv.暴跌，急剧下降

Guest Name: Cuong Do Title: President & CEO Website: https://bioviepharma.com/ Ticker: BIVI Bio: Cuong Do President & Chief Executive Officer​ Cuong Do, MBA, is the President and Chief Executive Officer of BioVie Inc., a clinical-stage company developing innovative drug therapies for the treatment of neurological and neurodegenerative disorders and advanced liver disease. Do is a highly experienced life sciences executive, who has served in various leadership roles at multiple global enterprises and publicly owned companies over the past 35 years. Prior to his appointment with BioVie, Do was President of Samsung Global Strategy Group where he helped to set the strategic direction for the company's diverse business portfolio, including the growth of its biologics businesses. He was previously the Chief Strategy Officer for Merck, a leading US pharmaceutical company on the Fortune 500 list, where he played a key role in defining the company's strategy, including its focus on oncology and creating its leading position with the anti-PD-1 therapy, pembrolizumab (KEYTRUDA®). Do also held leadership roles in the technology space at Lenovo and Tyco Electronics, and was a senior partner at McKinsey & Company, where he spent 17 years helping to build the company's healthcare, high tech and corporate finance practices. Do is an active entrepreneur who founded Callidus Biopharma (a biotech company working in rare diseases that was acquired by Amicus Therapeutics in 2013), Lysodel Therapeutics (a company developing an innovative pharmaceutical product for obesity), and M6P Therapeutics (a company developing gene and enzyme replacement therapies for rare lysosomal storage disorders). He is a founding member of Social Impact Partners, which is a purpose-driven alliance of global experts and young change-makers working to fight against Alzheimer's Disease. Do also serves as a member of multiple advisory boards to companies and academic institutions, including Seneca Therapeutics, Stanford Medicine, The Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth, Fulbright University Vietnam, Ideal Semiconductors, ILiAD Biotechnologies and others. Do is also a passionate philanthropist, particularly in autism and education. He founded Profectum Foundation, which specializes in providing training and education for professionals and parents of children with autism or special needs. He also founded Identifor, Inc. and the Identifor Foundation to help autistic teenagers identify abilities and strengths to make the transition to adulthood. He currently or formerly served on the boards of Celebrate the Children (a school for children with special needs in New Jersey), Autism Speaks and its Executive, Strategy, Science and Family Services committees and Caring for Cambodia (a non-profit working to educate 7,000+ K-12 students in Siem Reap, Cambodia). He holds a BA from Dartmouth College, and an MBA from the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/smartmoneycircle/support

Không chỉ bây giờ, mà ngay từ thời Pháp thuộc, Đông Dương đã thu hút nhiều du khách Pháp và phương Tây nói chung. Chính quyền thuộc địa Pháp ngay từ đầu thế kỷ 20 đã tích cực quảng bá cho du lịch Đông Dương với nhiều cuốn sách được xuất bản vào thời ấy. "Du lịch Đông Dương xưa" cũng chính là tựa đề của một cuốn sách vừa ra mắt độc giả Việt Nam đầu tháng 10 vừa qua, do nhà xuất bản Dân Trí phối hợp với Trung tâm Lưu trữ Quốc gia 1 phát hành. Biên tập chính của nhóm biên tập cuốn sách này là ông Trần Hữu Phúc Tiến, tác giả của một số quyển sách về Sài Gòn xưa, cũng như về các di sản kiến trúc của Pháp ở Việt Nam. Trả lời RFI Việt ngữ tại Paris ngày 28/09/2024, nhân dịp ông đến thủ đô Pháp để giới thiệu cuốn sách “Du lịch Đông Dương xưa”, tác giả Phúc Tiến cho biết: “Tôi có thể nói là đến bây giờ, chữ Indochine, Indochina, Đông Dương đang trở lại, hay nói cách khác, đang có một hiện tượng là rất nhiều người, cả già lẫn trẻ, muốn tìm hiểu về thời kỳ trước 1945. Trong khoảng 5 năm trở lại đây, mỗi năm có đến 9, 10 quyển sách viết về Đông Dương, hoặc dịch, giới thiệu những hoạt động rất phong phú, không chỉ là về cuộc chiến, về kiến trúc, văn hóa, mà còn có những ký sự, những câu chuyện về những nhân vật người Pháp, cũng như người Việt.Khi tham gia biên soạn sách để tìm hiểu về lịch sử, tôi thấy mảng du lịch là một mảng rất là hay. Khi viết quyển sách này, tôi có nói là chúng ta cùng “đi phượt” về miền quá khứ. Chúng ta đi thăm những điểm du lịch quen thuộc như Đà Lạt, Sapa, Đồ Sơn hay các thành phố lớn, chúng ta có biết rằng những nơi ấy được hình thành như thế nào không? Qua cuốn sách này, chúng tôi đưa bạn đọc tìm lại cội nguồn của những địa điểm du lịch đó, những nơi đó được hình thành ra sao, và trong đó có cả công sức của người Pháp lẫn người Việt.Đây là một công trình tập thể, chúng tôi cộng tác với Trung tâm Lưu trữ Quốc gia 1 tại Hà Nội. Tôi là người biên soạn chính, cùng với hai bạn Bùi Hệ và Hoàng Hằng tham gia tìm kiếm tư liệu và dịch thuật. Cũng xin nói rõ là do khuôn khổ đầu tiên nên lần xuất bản này chỉ có tiếng Việt và tiếng Anh. Chúng tôi đã bàn là sẽ có một bản tiếng Pháp để phục vụ bạn đọc Pháp.   Theo lời ông Trần Hữu Phúc Tiến, ngay từ đầu người Pháp đã chú ý đến 3 địa điểm du lịch mà họ xem là hàng đầu ở Đông Dương:“Tư liệu đầu tiên mà tôi rất vui khi tìm được, đó là một ấn phẩm giới thiệu về du lịch Đông Dương năm 1911, có nghĩa là đầu thế kỷ 20, của Hội Du lịch Pháp Touring Club de France, trong đó họ nêu ngay ba địa điểm mà họ coi là số một để du lịch khi đến Đông Dương:Vịnh Hạ Long, Angkor và Huế. Như vậy là trong ba nước Đông Dương thì đã có hai địa điểm là ở Việt Nam, một là du lịch thiên nhiên. Cuối thế kỷ 20 Vịnh Hạ Long mới được UNESCO công nhận là di sản thế giới, nhưng ngay từ đầu, người Pháp đã quảng bá cho Vịnh Hạ Long tuyệt vời như thế nào.Cũng như Angkor, trên thế giới ai cũng biết công sức của những nhà khảo cổ Pháp là những người đầu tiên khám phá ra Angkor. Đó là cung điện trong rừng, đã bị bỏ qua và khi người ta khám phá,  thì người ta đã quảng bá nó, trân trọng nó, giữ gìn nó.Thứ ba là Huế. Phải nói chúng ta rất tự hào là có một kinh thành và nhiều điểm du lịch khác.Cuốn sách "Du lịch Đông Dương xưa" còn nêu bật công lao của người Pháp khai phá những địa điểm du lịch mà cho tới nay vẫn thu hút nhiều du khách trong vào ngoài nước, theo lời ông Trần Hữu Phúc Tiến:"Trước nhất là về những địa điểm du lịch thiên nhiên. Phải nói là người Pháp có công mở đường để làm những địa điểm du lịch ở vùng sâu, vùng xa. Bây giờ chúng ta đi rất là dễ dàng, nhưng ngày xưa thì không có. Ngay cả hai nơi mà chúng ta tưởng đi rất dễ dàng là Đồ Sơn, Hải Phòng và Sầm Sơn, Thanh Hóa là hai bãi biển đẹp, thì cũng không phải là có đường đến dễ dàng như bây giờ. Hoặc là Cam Ranh. Cam Ranh là do một ông quý tộc đến đây, thấy nó hay và phát triển nó lên. Cả Bà Nà cũng vậy, thâm sơn cùng cốc, có thể nói là dưới con mắt của một cường quốc công nghiệp, họ đã khám phá. Đầu tiên, người Pháp sử dụng những nơi này, ví dụ như sanatorium, những khu nghỉ dưỡng trên núi cao, cho người Pháp tại chỗ. Nhưng sau đó, họ thấy rằng người địa phương vẫn có thể tham gia.Cuốn sách "Du lịch Đông Dương xưa" cũng cho thấy là sau khi đã khai phá những địa điểm du lịch ở Đông Dương, người Pháp đã tích cực quảng bá du lịch Đông Dương ra khắp thế giới và tổ chức các tour bằng đường hàng không, đường biển. Trong những nỗ lực còn có sự đóng góp của người Việt Nam thời ấy: " Người Pháp đã thành lập Tổng cục Du lịch Đông Dương vào cuối những năm 1920 đầu những năm 1930, trụ sở đầu tiên là đặt ở tòa nhà 213 đường Catina, Sài Gòn. Rất tiếc tòa nhà rất đẹp này đã bị “xóa sổ” rồi. Sau đó có một thời gian trụ sở được đặt ở khách sạn Majestic. Tổng cục đó quảng bá du lịch của toàn Đông Dương ra khắp thế giới. Trên thế giới hồi đó đã có máy bay, nên đã có những tuyến hàng không dừng tại Sài Gòn, Hà Nội để đưa khách đi tham quan những địa điểm du lịch đó. Đặc biệt là đường biển thì Sài Gòn đã nối với Marseille, Le Havre từ năm 1862-63. Giữa hai cuộc thế chiến thì Âu-Mỹ có một thời kỳ gọi là “vàng son”. Sau thảm họa chiến tranh thứ nhất, họ thấy cần phải an dưỡng, tránh những suy nghĩ căng thẳng, nên họ đi du lịch, mà lúc đó kinh tế Âu Mỹ đang phát triển và kinh tế Đông Dương cũng phát triển. Họ đã tổ chức các tour, kể cả đường bay. Đường bay Sài Gòn - Paris, nối với Hà Nội, với Batavia của Indonesia, đã có từ thập niên 1930. Trong tour hàng hải đã có một tour gọi là grand tour, đi du thuyền qua các thành phố, các cảng thị châu Á-Thái Bình Dương, trong đó có dừng chân ở Sài Gòn. Ngay từ năm 1929, người Pháp đã tổ chức một tour thủy phi cơ từ Sài Gòn ngay ở Bến Bạch Đằng, bay sang Angkor, Siem Reap, Cam Bốt, sau đó tham quan Angkor, rồi bay về chỉ trong một ngày. Trong cuốn sách này chúng tôi chưa có thời gian, chưa đủ chương, để trình bày về công nghiệp du lịch mà người Pháp đã bắt đầu xây dựng ở Đông Dương trước 1945. Chúng tôi chỉ mới giới thiệu một số địa điểm du lịch thì đã thấy Pháp là một đất nước công nghiệp, là một chính quyền điều hành nền kinh tế thị trường phong phú và đa dạng, cũng như có sự đóng góp của Việt Nam. Đặc biệt tôi muốn nhấn mạnh công sức của người Việt Nam rất là cảm động. Tôi tìm thấy những hình ảnh, đọc được những dòng viết về những con đường lên đến những vùng sâu, vùng xa, như Sapa, Sầm Sơn, Đồ Sơn, Bà Nà, lúc đó chưa có đường cho xe chạy; họ phải làm từng bước. Trước khi có những con đường để xe hơi chạy, đã có những porteur là những phụ nữ Việt Nam khiêng kiệu vận chuyển du khách lên đó . Hoặc là Côn Đảo, là một nhà tù, nhưng tuyệt đẹp và cầu tàu, cũng như những con đường ngày nay chúng ta hưởng thụ, đó chính là xương máu của những người tù”.Theo lời ông Trần Hữu Phúc Tiến, mong muốn của nhóm biên tập "Du lịch Đông Dương xưa" là khuyến khích các hãng lữ hành khai thác hướng du lịch này: “Chúng tôi đưa ra khái niệm “ Du lịch Đông Dương xưa” và chúng tôi hy vọng là các hãng lữ hành Việt Nam có thể dùng những tư liệu về Đông Dương xưa, để không những quảng bá cho du khách các nước Francophonie ( khối Pháp ngữ ) cũng như cho thế giới nói tiếng Anh, mà cho cả du khách Việt Nam. Chúng ta đến chỉ thấy Đà Lạt, Sapa đẹp, nhưng không biết quá khứ của những địa điểm đó là như thế nào thì thật là uổng. Hồi đó có một ông địa chủ Nam Kỳ gốc Bạc Liêu, sau khi đi xe lửa từ Sài Gòn ra Hà Nội và đi chơi khắp miền bắc, đã viết một quyển hồi ký và tự xuất bản. Ông viết rằng, nhờ có con đường xe lửa Sài Gòn - Hà Nội mà bây giờ chúng ta mới hiểu biết quê hương nhiều hơn.Cũng như cụ Phạm Quỳnh, là nhà báo, năm 1918 lần đầu tiên lên Sài Gòn, lúc chỉ mới 26 tuổi, đã thấy kinh ngạc về sự phát triển của Sài Gòn, về những cái mới mẻ so với miền bắc. Ông đã viết một câu cảm động: Chính người Việt Nam phải hiểu biết về quê hương mình hơn.Bước qua thế kỷ 21 này, chúng ta có 100 triệu dân, chứ không còn là một nước nhỏ bé chỉ có 20 triệu dân như ngày xưa, nhu cầu tìm hiểu về đất nước, con người, văn hóa là một nhu cầu rất lớn."

Không chỉ bây giờ, mà ngay từ thời Pháp thuộc, Đông Dương đã thu hút nhiều du khách Pháp và phương Tây nói chung. Chính quyền thuộc địa Pháp ngay từ đầu thế kỷ 20 đã tích cực quảng bá cho du lịch Đông Dương với nhiều cuốn sách được xuất bản vào thời ấy. "Du lịch Đông Dương xưa" cũng chính là tựa đề của một cuốn sách vừa ra mắt độc giả Việt Nam đầu tháng 10 vừa qua, do nhà xuất bản Dân Trí phối hợp với Trung tâm Lưu trữ Quốc gia 1 phát hành. Biên tập chính của nhóm biên tập cuốn sách này là ông Trần Hữu Phúc Tiến, tác giả của một số quyển sách về Sài Gòn xưa, cũng như về các di sản kiến trúc của Pháp ở Việt Nam. Trả lời RFI Việt ngữ tại Paris ngày 28/09/2024, nhân dịp ông đến thủ đô Pháp để giới thiệu cuốn sách “Du lịch Đông Dương xưa”, tác giả Phúc Tiến cho biết: “Tôi có thể nói là đến bây giờ, chữ Indochine, Indochina, Đông Dương đang trở lại, hay nói cách khác, đang có một hiện tượng là rất nhiều người, cả già lẫn trẻ, muốn tìm hiểu về thời kỳ trước 1945. Trong khoảng 5 năm trở lại đây, mỗi năm có đến 9, 10 quyển sách viết về Đông Dương, hoặc dịch, giới thiệu những hoạt động rất phong phú, không chỉ là về cuộc chiến, về kiến trúc, văn hóa, mà còn có những ký sự, những câu chuyện về những nhân vật người Pháp, cũng như người Việt.Khi tham gia biên soạn sách để tìm hiểu về lịch sử, tôi thấy mảng du lịch là một mảng rất là hay. Khi viết quyển sách này, tôi có nói là chúng ta cùng “đi phượt” về miền quá khứ. Chúng ta đi thăm những điểm du lịch quen thuộc như Đà Lạt, Sapa, Đồ Sơn hay các thành phố lớn, chúng ta có biết rằng những nơi ấy được hình thành như thế nào không? Qua cuốn sách này, chúng tôi đưa bạn đọc tìm lại cội nguồn của những địa điểm du lịch đó, những nơi đó được hình thành ra sao, và trong đó có cả công sức của người Pháp lẫn người Việt.Đây là một công trình tập thể, chúng tôi cộng tác với Trung tâm Lưu trữ Quốc gia 1 tại Hà Nội. Tôi là người biên soạn chính, cùng với hai bạn Bùi Hệ và Hoàng Hằng tham gia tìm kiếm tư liệu và dịch thuật. Cũng xin nói rõ là do khuôn khổ đầu tiên nên lần xuất bản này chỉ có tiếng Việt và tiếng Anh. Chúng tôi đã bàn là sẽ có một bản tiếng Pháp để phục vụ bạn đọc Pháp.   Theo lời ông Trần Hữu Phúc Tiến, ngay từ đầu người Pháp đã chú ý đến 3 địa điểm du lịch mà họ xem là hàng đầu ở Đông Dương:“Tư liệu đầu tiên mà tôi rất vui khi tìm được, đó là một ấn phẩm giới thiệu về du lịch Đông Dương năm 1911, có nghĩa là đầu thế kỷ 20, của Hội Du lịch Pháp Touring Club de France, trong đó họ nêu ngay ba địa điểm mà họ coi là số một để du lịch khi đến Đông Dương:Vịnh Hạ Long, Angkor và Huế. Như vậy là trong ba nước Đông Dương thì đã có hai địa điểm là ở Việt Nam, một là du lịch thiên nhiên. Cuối thế kỷ 20 Vịnh Hạ Long mới được UNESCO công nhận là di sản thế giới, nhưng ngay từ đầu, người Pháp đã quảng bá cho Vịnh Hạ Long tuyệt vời như thế nào.Cũng như Angkor, trên thế giới ai cũng biết công sức của những nhà khảo cổ Pháp là những người đầu tiên khám phá ra Angkor. Đó là cung điện trong rừng, đã bị bỏ qua và khi người ta khám phá,  thì người ta đã quảng bá nó, trân trọng nó, giữ gìn nó.Thứ ba là Huế. Phải nói chúng ta rất tự hào là có một kinh thành và nhiều điểm du lịch khác.Cuốn sách "Du lịch Đông Dương xưa" còn nêu bật công lao của người Pháp khai phá những địa điểm du lịch mà cho tới nay vẫn thu hút nhiều du khách trong vào ngoài nước, theo lời ông Trần Hữu Phúc Tiến:"Trước nhất là về những địa điểm du lịch thiên nhiên. Phải nói là người Pháp có công mở đường để làm những địa điểm du lịch ở vùng sâu, vùng xa. Bây giờ chúng ta đi rất là dễ dàng, nhưng ngày xưa thì không có. Ngay cả hai nơi mà chúng ta tưởng đi rất dễ dàng là Đồ Sơn, Hải Phòng và Sầm Sơn, Thanh Hóa là hai bãi biển đẹp, thì cũng không phải là có đường đến dễ dàng như bây giờ. Hoặc là Cam Ranh. Cam Ranh là do một ông quý tộc đến đây, thấy nó hay và phát triển nó lên. Cả Bà Nà cũng vậy, thâm sơn cùng cốc, có thể nói là dưới con mắt của một cường quốc công nghiệp, họ đã khám phá. Đầu tiên, người Pháp sử dụng những nơi này, ví dụ như sanatorium, những khu nghỉ dưỡng trên núi cao, cho người Pháp tại chỗ. Nhưng sau đó, họ thấy rằng người địa phương vẫn có thể tham gia.Cuốn sách "Du lịch Đông Dương xưa" cũng cho thấy là sau khi đã khai phá những địa điểm du lịch ở Đông Dương, người Pháp đã tích cực quảng bá du lịch Đông Dương ra khắp thế giới và tổ chức các tour bằng đường hàng không, đường biển. Trong những nỗ lực còn có sự đóng góp của người Việt Nam thời ấy: " Người Pháp đã thành lập Tổng cục Du lịch Đông Dương vào cuối những năm 1920 đầu những năm 1930, trụ sở đầu tiên là đặt ở tòa nhà 213 đường Catina, Sài Gòn. Rất tiếc tòa nhà rất đẹp này đã bị “xóa sổ” rồi. Sau đó có một thời gian trụ sở được đặt ở khách sạn Majestic. Tổng cục đó quảng bá du lịch của toàn Đông Dương ra khắp thế giới. Trên thế giới hồi đó đã có máy bay, nên đã có những tuyến hàng không dừng tại Sài Gòn, Hà Nội để đưa khách đi tham quan những địa điểm du lịch đó. Đặc biệt là đường biển thì Sài Gòn đã nối với Marseille, Le Havre từ năm 1862-63. Giữa hai cuộc thế chiến thì Âu-Mỹ có một thời kỳ gọi là “vàng son”. Sau thảm họa chiến tranh thứ nhất, họ thấy cần phải an dưỡng, tránh những suy nghĩ căng thẳng, nên họ đi du lịch, mà lúc đó kinh tế Âu Mỹ đang phát triển và kinh tế Đông Dương cũng phát triển. Họ đã tổ chức các tour, kể cả đường bay. Đường bay Sài Gòn - Paris, nối với Hà Nội, với Batavia của Indonesia, đã có từ thập niên 1930. Trong tour hàng hải đã có một tour gọi là grand tour, đi du thuyền qua các thành phố, các cảng thị châu Á-Thái Bình Dương, trong đó có dừng chân ở Sài Gòn. Ngay từ năm 1929, người Pháp đã tổ chức một tour thủy phi cơ từ Sài Gòn ngay ở Bến Bạch Đằng, bay sang Angkor, Siem Reap, Cam Bốt, sau đó tham quan Angkor, rồi bay về chỉ trong một ngày. Trong cuốn sách này chúng tôi chưa có thời gian, chưa đủ chương, để trình bày về công nghiệp du lịch mà người Pháp đã bắt đầu xây dựng ở Đông Dương trước 1945. Chúng tôi chỉ mới giới thiệu một số địa điểm du lịch thì đã thấy Pháp là một đất nước công nghiệp, là một chính quyền điều hành nền kinh tế thị trường phong phú và đa dạng, cũng như có sự đóng góp của Việt Nam. Đặc biệt tôi muốn nhấn mạnh công sức của người Việt Nam rất là cảm động. Tôi tìm thấy những hình ảnh, đọc được những dòng viết về những con đường lên đến những vùng sâu, vùng xa, như Sapa, Sầm Sơn, Đồ Sơn, Bà Nà, lúc đó chưa có đường cho xe chạy; họ phải làm từng bước. Trước khi có những con đường để xe hơi chạy, đã có những porteur là những phụ nữ Việt Nam khiêng kiệu vận chuyển du khách lên đó . Hoặc là Côn Đảo, là một nhà tù, nhưng tuyệt đẹp và cầu tàu, cũng như những con đường ngày nay chúng ta hưởng thụ, đó chính là xương máu của những người tù”.Theo lời ông Trần Hữu Phúc Tiến, mong muốn của nhóm biên tập "Du lịch Đông Dương xưa" là khuyến khích các hãng lữ hành khai thác hướng du lịch này: “Chúng tôi đưa ra khái niệm “ Du lịch Đông Dương xưa” và chúng tôi hy vọng là các hãng lữ hành Việt Nam có thể dùng những tư liệu về Đông Dương xưa, để không những quảng bá cho du khách các nước Francophonie ( khối Pháp ngữ ) cũng như cho thế giới nói tiếng Anh, mà cho cả du khách Việt Nam. Chúng ta đến chỉ thấy Đà Lạt, Sapa đẹp, nhưng không biết quá khứ của những địa điểm đó là như thế nào thì thật là uổng. Hồi đó có một ông địa chủ Nam Kỳ gốc Bạc Liêu, sau khi đi xe lửa từ Sài Gòn ra Hà Nội và đi chơi khắp miền bắc, đã viết một quyển hồi ký và tự xuất bản. Ông viết rằng, nhờ có con đường xe lửa Sài Gòn - Hà Nội mà bây giờ chúng ta mới hiểu biết quê hương nhiều hơn.Cũng như cụ Phạm Quỳnh, là nhà báo, năm 1918 lần đầu tiên lên Sài Gòn, lúc chỉ mới 26 tuổi, đã thấy kinh ngạc về sự phát triển của Sài Gòn, về những cái mới mẻ so với miền bắc. Ông đã viết một câu cảm động: Chính người Việt Nam phải hiểu biết về quê hương mình hơn.Bước qua thế kỷ 21 này, chúng ta có 100 triệu dân, chứ không còn là một nước nhỏ bé chỉ có 20 triệu dân như ngày xưa, nhu cầu tìm hiểu về đất nước, con người, văn hóa là một nhu cầu rất lớn."

Never underestimate the power of the mind-body connection. In this episode, Lesley and Brad dive into the conversation with Dr. Andrew Fix to explore how shifting your mindset around pain and truly tuning in to your body can transform your well-being. You'll learn actionable steps for improving sleep, managing pain, and building a healthier, more balanced life. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  Lesley Logan 0:56  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the rehabilitating convo I had with Dr. Andrew Fix in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you can listen to it after you listen to this one, because we're going to tell you some really fun stuff. And then you can go listen to that one and you can learn some really fun stuff. Lesley Logan 1:12  So today is October 17th 2024 and it is National Spirit Day. Let's talk about this day, you guys. I really liked this one. There's actually, if you look at today.com or whatever, nationaltoday.com there's a bunch of them we could have chosen, but this one I like, because Spirit Day is an annual observance that takes place on the third Thursday in October, October 17th this year. This day aims to create awareness for the bullying harassment that the LGBTQ community faces. Millions of people worldwide identify as queer, and many more are yet to publicly declare their status. Such a large community of people shouldn't be alienated or marginalized because of their sexual orientation, but the reality, sadly, is that they are. All over the world, LGBTQ youth suffer harassment because of their identity. There's a need for transgender individuals to have more protected rights. Hear, hear. So, that's what today is, getting the awareness out. And so, yeah, yeah, it's National Spirit Day.Brad Crowell 2:09  Yeah. Unfortunately, this has been politicized, because it shouldn't be. It's just about human rights and people being people, and us leaving people alone.Lesley Logan 2:19  I know. And also, like, (inaudible) the amount of people who think that, like, children are just going to school and then coming out as trans, I would like, ask people if you are really, if you think that all these people are just now, like, it's just a preponderance of people as trans, I would want you to, like, just do a little analysis on that. And also, I think it's really cool that we live in a world where in some place it is safe for people to explore who they are and share that. We also live in a world where it is really unsafe and it shouldn't even be political. Your sexual orientation should never be politicized. Anyways, I'm getting frustrated. I'm sad for those people. So anyways, if you live in a place where you can vote for people who support people's rights, I would highly recommend you do that, so go do that. And currently we are on vacation. So while we're on vacation from our amazing retreat, if you want to come on that amazing retreat, this is kind of like the last hurrah. Well, that's, apparently not. We actually had someone sign up for our sold out retreat three weeks before we left, because my mom wanted to bring her friend. And so we made, we moved mountains. Brad Crowell 3:22  I was gonna say we did. We did make an exception. That wasn't the plan. Lesley Logan 3:25  But you can, apparently, you, just so you know, you can be one of those people who waits the last minute. I wouldn't recommend it. So I would snag your spot now at crowsnestretreats.com, to join us in February.Brad Crowell 3:35  Yeah, we're gonna be going to back to Cambodia, to our favorite place in the world, Siem Reap, where we get a chance to take you to our house. We have a 12-bedroom apartment complex there, you come stay at our place, practice Pilates during the week, then we go on Temple tours, then we have some amazing food. We meet some incredible people. We explore the countryside. We explore the city. It is just an amazing experience to see another place in a group, where you kind of get a little bit of adventure, but you still feel like you're safe and with a group and everything like that. The one last thing I first landed in Cambodia, we got off the plane, like, 10 o'clock at night. It was super, super dark, and I was getting sick. I was like, on my I had caught something where I was, like, having a runny nose, and I wasn't feeling great, and I was so excited to go, but I was also not feeling well, and Lesley looks around, smells the charcoal in the air because people were cooking dinner, and she says my soul is home. And I was like, how do you know your damn soul is home you haven't seen anything yet. Lesley Logan 3:39  It's dark and it's crazy and it's chaos. And I was like, it is, we're gonna live here, and we had seen nothing or eat nothing. So that was really brave of me, but we really loved it. And so you get to come to our house. Brad Crowell 4:45  Yeah, you should come with us and hang out, go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. Next up.Lesley Logan 4:52  Then after I come back, I go and I'm gonna stay in LA to get ready for the accessories deck shoot. So that is the sixth deck in the series. For the flashcards. Brad Crowell 5:03  Flashcards (inaudible) talking about deck here. Lesley Logan 5:05  You're not reading my mind, everyone? You're not like you're not picturing what I'm thinking about? Also, because I just got to finally announce that the mat deck 2.0 has shipped. While you're listening to this, it has shipped over a month ago. So there's that. Anyways, we're wrapping up this whole project and this product, and so we're doing the photo shoot, and all of those on the waitlist will get the presale opportunity. When is that going to be? I can't tell you in this moment, but it's probably somewhere around Q2 so you'll want to go to opc.me/flashcardwait list, opc.me/flashcardwaitlist. All right, Brad, tell them about what's next for you.Brad Crowell 5:42  All right, so I've been hosting a webinar called the Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator. So if you are a fitness business owner out there and you have, you're bringing people to your home for a home studio, or maybe you rent a small boutique space, or maybe you have a team. This webinar is for you. Okay, what are we going to talk about? We're going to talk about, how do you double your income over the next 12 months? Right? That's a crazy thing to even think about. But ultimately, we all know that money is involved in our, you know, running our own business here, and we work our asses off, and we barely are making ends meet, and it's time for us to actually make the profit that we need, so that we can actually take a deep breath and enjoy what we're doing, because I know how stressful it is to barely be keeping our heads above water. We did it for many, many years, until we got coaching. And then when we got coaching, everything changed dramatically. And so this webinar is going to share with you three big secrets that Lesley and I have determined, after we have coached now more than 2000 clients of our own businesses, just like yours, small businesses, people just getting started, all the way up to people with million dollar studios. And we just had a lot of experience doing it, and we want to share that experience with you. So come join me for free. prfit.biz/accelerator, that's profit without -the O dot B-I Z slash accelerator, and come join me. Yeah. Lesley Logan 5:48  Yeah and then come hang out with us IRL, we're going, gosh, we're gonna have the biggest tour ever, our winter tour. At this moment, it's possible we've even announced the date, because I don't know. We're trying to do it in October. That's our goal. Brad Crowell 7:18  Yeah. Dates will definitely be available. So yeah, we're going on tour, y'all. We're leaving in December the sixth, and we'll be coming back more than a month later. We're going to be doing over 8000 miles drive around the country. We're going to basically stick through 40 as we go across the south till we hit North Carolina. Then we're going to go all up to Maine, then all the way down the east coast to Miami, and then we're going to come back through Texas, and we're going to hit Phoenix on the way home. So if any of that sounds like you're remotely close, or going to be close, or going to be near family that's close, go to opc.me/tour. We'd love to meet you in person and hang out and do Pilates and, you know, just kick it. It is an incredible opportunity to get to meet our pups. That's going to be a blast. Lesley Logan 7:59  Yeah, I'm really excited for all the places that we're going to, the studios we're finally going to see. I mean, it's just going to be wonderful. So thank you all who always come out on our tour. Oh my gosh. One of the, you know how we were in Korea, I was supposed to, we were talking about someone who was like, I (inaudible) a workshop in Korea. Well, someone lived in Canada. Well, someone now lives in the DC area. And I was like, we're going to see you. She's like, oh my God. We're finally gonna meet three countries later. We're doing it. We're doing it. All right, well, opc.me/tour. Go get your tickets because, believe it or not, winter tours sell out really fast because people make plans early. So there you go. before you get into Andrew's amazing notes for all of us, let's talk about the audience question. Brad Crowell 8:40  Yeah. JoannPilates on Instagram asked, "Hi Lesley, I hear that you are good in teaching headstand on the reformer. Do you teach via zoom?"Lesley Logan 8:48  I know we posted my headstand and now I do headstand by myself, without you. Brad Crowell 8:52  Yeah, no, I'm impressed. Lesley Logan 8:54  I know. And actually everyone is, too. So I know. Brad Crowell 8:56  That everyone is impressed or everyone is doing headstand? Lesley Logan 8:58  No, they're impressed. But, (inaudible) someone else did it, someone else tagged me in their headstands journey. And so am I good at teaching headstand? I am really good at teaching people connections that they need. So if headstand is the goal, great, but also, if you're going, what is headstand in Pilates? Like, I really am so grateful that Jay Grimes and all the teachers that he taught who have been in my life have helped me understand how to, like, build someone up to an exercise versus take an exercise down to a client. Yeah, sure. And so that's what I teach people at eLevate, which is my mentorship program. So that's really where I can help you with the headstand, because one session I could probably give you some homework, but if you're not ready for headstand, we're not doing headstand. I'm not going to bring an exercise down to you. I'm going to bring you up to an exercise. So I would need to see you move and then go, are you even ready for this? Is it an exercise that's right for you? It's also okay for it actually not to be right for you. You guys like, it's really okay for you to go, that's, that exercise is not right for me. Like, tendon stretch in the reformer if you've got tight hamstrings. We're not doing that today. We got to work on opening those hamstrings up and finding more strength, and (inaudible).Brad Crowell 10:03  That takes, like, a week, right? Yeah, yeah.Lesley Logan 10:05  Yeah, like, a thousand weeks, you know? So, so am I good at it? And do I teach on Zoom? I teach eLevate via zoom, and you can come in person. Do I teach private clients on Zoom? It's rare that someone outside of my eLevate group gets a Zoom call. That doesn't mean you won't. Doesn't mean you won't, but I'm just telling you like, I don't got a lot of hours in the day to teach people, but my eLevators always get an opportunity to work with me, either privately or in a group. 2025 eLevate is sold out. So.Brad Crowell 10:35  It is, I know, that's insane. Lesley Logan 10:37  So you can get on the waitlist or you can grab 2026. All that being said, I also do have a workshop called Bottoms Up. And while I don't break down headstand in that workshop on OPC, it absolutely will help you with the idea of how to break down this exercise. And I do have the headstand tutorials up on YouTube. It's free. (inaudible) flashcards. Brad Crowell 10:57  We also have breaking down advanced exercises. Lesley Logan 10:59  Guide, which is free. Brad Crowell 11:00  Yeah. So we'll put the links to all three of those in the show notes. Lesley Logan 11:05  But Joann, if you and a bunch of people want to explore this, obviously, I don't want you to wait till 2026, let's talk. But also, please ask yourself, everyone, before you're like, oh my God, look at that party trick. You gotta ready yourself for that party trick. So you've got to be obsessed with the foundations of Pilates. If you really think you're advanced, then a beginner class should feel hard, because you have, you are actually bringing all of your body to those beginner exercises. Because I actually would say that there is no such thing as beginner exercise. There are exercises that beginners can do. Brad Crowell 11:37  I mean, there's also variations on the headstand, so some of them are really intense. Lesley Logan 11:41  Yes, today, I incorporated, I actually faced I did the facing up today. I took it out of my practice for about six months, and I showed it to my teacher, and he's like, do this. And I did what he said, and it was fucking 10 times better. It all was. It's like focusing my eyes was insane. But when I took it out six months ago, I was doing things to build it back up into my practice. I got to build myself up to it. So, some exercises I don't do because I'm not ready for him yet, or, or like my body is on a pause on that, you know. So it's okay for that. All right, let's talk about Andrew Fix.Brad Crowell 12:18  All right. Now, let's talk about Dr. Andrew Fix. Dr. Fix is a doctor of physical therapy and an expert in running and lifting-related injuries. He helps run a performance-based physical therapy practice that focuses on helping clients recover from pain and get back to the activities they love through his method, his process of the three R's, reset, restore and reload. Andrew also co-hosts The Code: A guide to Health and Human Performance Podcast where he discusses optimizing health through sleep, nutrition and movement. Yeah, really cool. It's exciting that he took a chance, moved across the country and opened his own business. We're all about that. Lesley Logan 12:57  Yeah, I know. I just think that's what a, that's a big deal. It's not easy. You know, one of the things I think about is like, people like, oh, I can't do that here. And I'm like, why are you there? When people fight us on the limitations of doing their business where they are, I'm just kind of like, but why are you there, then? Like, are you married to that place? Because you can rent your home out now, it's so much easier to relocate than it ever once was. And people need Pilates everywhere. So I'm just saying, if you're frustrated where you are, you could be like, Andrew, you just move. Lesley Logan 13:26  So one of the things I really like that we talked about is the mind is such a powerful tool as he said. So he said, If you keep telling yourself, I'm the person with the bad back, or I'm this, you are actually reinforcing it. And this is so true, because you guys, when I study mindset, the thing about your mind is it actually is listening to you and you really don't want your mind to go on its own thing. That would be really bad. That would be like.Brad Crowell 13:54  What do you mean on its own thing (inaudible)?Lesley Logan 13:56  So like, if you tell yourself, I have a bad back, you don't let your mind go let me show you how good your back is. You don't want your mind to go rogue on you, because then, like you're you the person, are not in control. You're actually controlling your mind. You're in control of the thoughts you have. I would hate for me to go, uh, I'm the most amazing person in the world and my mind goes, here's 17 reasons you're not. You don't want that as your mind. You don't want, that's not what you want.Brad Crowell 14:17  But that's, I'm so confused. Lesley Logan 14:19  Why? How are you confused? Brad Crowell 14:21  You're saying the opposite of the thing.Lesley Logan 14:23  No. So, he said, the mind is a powerful tool. If you tell yourself, I have a bad back, it reinforces it. And I'm saying it's so true. When I study mindset, there's little science that shows that your brain does not go rogue on you. If you say, I have a bad back, it doesn't say, let me show you how amazing your back is. Brad Crowell 14:39  Okay, all right, you don't want it to be the opposite of what you're thinking it is. Lesley Logan 14:43  Right.Brad Crowell 14:43  Okay, that's why I completely lost this (inaudible). Lesley Logan 14:45  Because that would be, that would not be great if your mind went rogue and did its own thing. You would want to go left and your mind's going, we're going right, like that would be a waste of time. You'd be in an argument with yourself all of the time. So, so we reinforce it. Also, I just studied. Shout out to Mariska Breland. I just studied her. Brad Crowell 15:02  Who?Lesley Logan 15:03  Mariska Breland, Mariska, maybe it's Mariska Breland. Maybe I'm saying Marishka because of Law and Order, her name is Mariska. Anyways, she's amazing. She's lovely. I've met her many times. She's a great teacher. But I was studying, I was watching her workshop on fear in movement. It's called kinesiophobia. Kinesiophobia. It's an actual thing of people who are afraid to move. And the thing is, is, if you're like, oh my god, it hurts when I do that, then you don't do it. So then when you go to do it, it hurts when you do it, because you haven't been doing it. And so we just reinforce ourselves. And so he said, you are always going to have a bad back because that's what you keep telling yourself, and also because of your, because you tell yourself that, then you don't do the things that would actually help your back out. Because you're like, I have a bad back, and so you're not strengthening your core, you're not challenging things. You are just kind of staying in that thing. And he said, to change the narratives, like, I used to have pain, but I'm doing things to improve it, so I can do X, Y and Z in the future, there's actual and because I just dodged this workshop, there is a lot of science in the power of positivity and reframing. I'm not able to do this today. For example, Joann with the headstand. She can't. If she walked away and said, I can't do a headstand, she'll never do a headstand. But if she says, I'm not able to do a headstand yet, and I'm working on doing X, Y and Z, she is preparing her mind for being able to do a headstand. She's telling her mind it's going to be a thing we're gonna have, we're gonna get there. And because it's so positive, and because she's actually proclaiming that these things are there, you're allowing space for your body to feel safe in the practice of getting the thing.Brad Crowell 16:32  Yeah, I can totally relate to this, too. Because when I was younger, my mom told me, oh, we have very limber bodies. And because we have very limber bodies, we just always have back pain. That was her lived experience. She was in a car accident when she was a kid, and for 20-plus years, had really, really challenging back problems, and she was always like the athlete, but was the skinny kid athlete, right? Never, she could be blown over. And the same thing for me when I got on the soccer field, when I got in high school, I was muscled off the ball all the time because I was too skinny. And I was like, I guess this is just how I'm always going to be. And then when I moved to Los Angeles, I slept on the floor because I didn't have the money to buy a $5,000 mattress, so I figured it would be better for my body if I slept on a hard surface, so I slept on the floor. And I told myself that for years, I slept on the floor for four years, and that's because I was like, the floor is better than any shitty bed I'm going to be able to afford, so I'm just going to sleep on the floor. Now, I probably could have slept on a futon, but I didn't. I think it was also a little bit of pride in there, because it's quite a story to tell. But the story I told myself was like, I'm always going to be weak. I'm always going to have this back pain. It didn't even change when I got started doing yoga, until it changed, and all of a sudden I was like, oh, I don't hurt it anymore. This is crazy, right? I didn't even it wasn't like my mindset changed. It was like, my my physical I wanted to do something so much that I actually my body changed after doing it and then I was like, oh, I don't have to be in pain every day. I'm not in pain right now. This is crazy. Lesley Logan 18:09  Yeah and that because, that desire to want something helps people get around the limitations that they have. And by the way. Brad Crowell 18:15  Well, I think you could do it opposite the way I do. I fell in love with the idea of doing yoga before I realized that that would help my back. Lesley Logan 18:22  Yeah, you totally can. And I think we're not saying, you guys, that all of your pain is thought into your body, or told into your body, like, obviously, like, real accidents, injuries have happened, but you have to just be mindful of how you're talking about yourself, because your body is listening.Brad Crowell 18:38  Yeah, yeah, it totally is. Lesley Logan 18:40  All right. What'd you love? Brad Crowell 18:41  All right. So what I really found interesting, intriguing, in fact, because this is not the way that I've always thought about it, is he basically was saying, when it comes to surgery and making decisions that seem like they're going to change everything, which surgery certainly can change everything in a good or a bad way. Often people are told, hey, you can build muscle around this instead of having a surgery, because you don't want to, you know, have the surgery now and then hurt it again, and then have to have another one later, or whatever. And he said he kind of focuses on the quality of life. If the injury that you're having is preventing you from doing the activity that you enjoyed, then he would rather have the surgery twice than wait. You know, preferred addressing the issue when, when it impacts his ability to do the activity he enjoyed. For my sister, she was a semi-pro soccer player. She was like, on the path and like trying to go do that professionally, and she had an ACL tear. That one was pretty clear she can't, literally couldn't walk properly if she didn't have the surgery. And so, you know, she had the surgery, and then from there, she went back and did a long amount of rehab, and then started playing soccer again, until another one down the road did happen and that she decided, okay, we're done doing this. But the reality is she probably could have lived around for a long time before having the surgery later on, whenever that is, or whatever, but she wouldn't have been able to go back and continue playing at all, or coaching or doing any of the things that bring her joy. I think another example would be like Lori on the OPC platform. She was in a car accident and had to have her spine fused, and that's a scary thing, like having your vertebrae fused can become a very limiting problem, but had she not, she would have been living in incredible amount of pain, and what she's been able to persevere despite having a fusion has led to an amazing life.Lesley Logan 20:42  Right? And I just think I really like this, because it's like, how long have you been, like, dealing with it, dealing with, insert, the issue with your body, ache and pain, some sort of limitation, and is it keeping you from saying yes to things that you want to say yes to? Are you not putting things on your vision board? Are you not going on a trip? Are you on the trip and everyone goes up and you just stay there? If that's you, then it may be worth looking at the support that can help you. Now, you might be like Lesley and Brad and Dr. Andrew, like the if I get the surgery, then I can't actually do these things, because it will fuse me, or it will do this. Then guess what? He said, quality of life, and if it's gonna affect all about you, then you don't do the surgery. You can actually take his advice and use it both ways. Brad Crowell 21:27  Yeah, I was thinking about your dad too, because, you know, he's 72 and his knees aren't exciting and.Lesley Logan 21:33  I know. Him not wanting to get an MRI, because he doesn't want to know what it is. Brad Crowell 21:36  He doesn't even want to know what the problem is. Because, you know, and that, that is a bummer to me, because if we, if he was going to have the surgery, especially where he's at in his stage of life, I would argue the sooner, the better, because he's going to recover better. Now imagine if he's to wait five years. Lesley Logan 21:50  Or even if he, I told him we don't have to do surgery, we could just find out what's going on, and then we can know what muscles to strengthen, like even. Brad Crowell 21:58  Well, those are, these are two different arguments. But yeah, I agree. I mean, I couldn't agree more. (inaudible)Lesley Logan 22:04  You just need information, you have to get the information. Can't be scared of the information. I get it. I don't. I don't know why all of us are like I don't I want to go. I don't want to know, because then I might be dying.Brad Crowell 22:15  You're still gonna die. Lesley Logan 22:16  You're still gonna die. And wouldn't you like to know, because then you maybe you go to fucking Fiji. I don't know. Brad Crowell 22:20  Yeah, it's that, too. Lesley Logan 22:21  Yeah. Brad Crowell 22:22  Well, anyway, you know, I think he kind of summed it up, saying, sometimes we push past this tipping point where our quality of life really deteriorates because of the pain, and it probably would have been better to just get the surgery like five years before. So, you know, it's a very interesting perspective. I don't think that that's the perspective of everybody of all physios, because sometimes surgery can have negative effects, but also.Lesley Logan 22:44  I am having problems with my wrists and the doctors did not want me to have surgery. And I said, but I'm limited. I'm 21 years old, and I have pain flare ups, and I'm limited to using my arm, which is affecting my core, because it's actually making me have a functional scoliosis that I don't have. I was like, it is limiting me. If I have the surgery, will the pain go away? And, like, we think so. I'm like, then I would like to do it. So I don't care that only every other week for one day I can't use my arm. No, I want to have my arm every day of the week. And so I fought with them, and they said, well, we want to do one more test. When they did that one more test, guess what? They're like, oh, you need surgery. I'm like. So think about your quality of life and how you want to live it, and then advocate for yourself in that way, either way, that it is. Brad Crowell 22:46  Dig it. All right, stick around we'll be right back. We're going to cover those Be It Action Items from Dr. Andrew Fix. Brad Crowell 23:11  All right, welcome back. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Dr. Andrew Fix? He said most people think that pain is one of the reasons why they don't sleep well, and he argues it's the exact opposite. He said research shows our shitty sleep is the reason that we have pain. Because obviously what I did find interesting is he said we are meant to sleep approximately one-third of our lives. one-third of our lives we are meant to sleep. Lesley Logan 24:05  Brad, did you hear that? Did you hear yourself say it? Brad Crowell 24:07  I don't even understand what that means. I'm lucky if I'm sleeping 25% of my life, but one-third of, he said one-third of our lives, so that we can perform better during the other two-thirds, right? So when we don't sleep well our nervous system does not recover or repair itself, and then we have a pain processing problem where our nervous system doesn't know how to interpret the things that are going on because we have not rested and recovered. So he said you are more likely to have pain if you're not sleeping well. So that's interesting. So to reduce pain, prioritize getting quality sleep, to help your body recover and repair itself. Who knew? Lesley Logan 24:47  I love it. Brad Crowell 24:47  I mean, it's pretty fucking logical. Lesley Logan 24:49  Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me.Brad Crowell 24:51  Yeah. Lesley Logan 24:51  So he had another Be It Action Item which was, if something was working for you, if something's not serving you, use your mind, plan things out, and also follow your gut. So like, we know we're like this, something doesn't feel right, and we kind of just like, push through, push through. And he is saying, no, use your mind and then make a plan and stick with following your gut. So a lot of times, you will share your plan with people, or you'll like, oh, that's not going to work, but it worked for this person. But if your gut's saying, I think I need to do this, I think, like, he's saying, follow that. That's part of your Be It Action Item. And what's super cool is, well, actually, we've talked about Lori already. So Lori was having a hip thing, and her doctors were saying, like, oh, it's coming from this nerve in your back. And she's like, no, no, I don't think so. And so she was doing PT, and she's like, it's like, making things worse. So it's not working for her. It's not serving her. And so she kind of did some research, figured out, and she went in with a plan, going with her gut. She's like, this isn't working. Here's where that nerve runs, and here's where that should cause pain. I'm having it here. So it's got to be something different. And so they made another plan for her. And so I think that's really, really cool. So she already did this Be It Action Item, everyone. So, you know, go Lori, but I think it's just really, I really, I really like this, too often we kind of just push through, even though we have something like niggling inside, going, don't do it. Brad Crowell 26:07  Yeah, my, my mom had a crazy situation when she was a child. She was a teen, I think. Her finger got smashed in our garage door. Like, completely flat and, yeah, like, terrifying. And she gets rushed to the ER, basically alone, and the doctor came in and said here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna blah-blah-blah, and she looked at him, and she was like, uh, we're not gonna do that. I don't know, whatever you just said, but I don't agree. And she's like, 15 or whatever. I don't know. She's a teen. She's like, argue with a doctor, like, don't touch me, right? And then her parents got there, and they had a conversation. She talked about the whole thing with them, and they ended up doing something else. But she was like, no, I don't even remember what it was like, we're gonna amputate. She's like, hell no. Like, I don't think that's what the problem is, but whatever it was she said, I don't think so. In fact, also too, we just had another conversation just yesterday with a friend of ours. She has been going to a chiropractor for a long time, and her chiropractor was not available during her session for whatever reason, and one of the other chiropractors came in and she said, I'm so sorry. I don't feel comfortable working with you. I'm sorry. You know, so she didn't want to be adjusted by someone else, and that's okay, you know? That's okay to feel that, understand that, and be like, no, so.Lesley Logan 27:21  I also think we have to like, that needs to be normalized. And if you are in some way advocate for yourself in the medical world, and please listen to Lindsay Moore's episode. Listen to the one where they had Jessica Valant. You are not rude, you are not an asshole, you're not a bitch, you're not any of these things. If you are like, I just don't really like this situation. Like, I'm not liking this situation, you don't even have to have a good excuse. Like, if your gut's just like, this is not right. I don't want to do this. It's totally okay to say you know what? Actually, I'm gonna pause, I'm gonna skip this. And I know it's frustrating. I know there's copays, but like, honestly, you'll be in the grand scheme of things, you, you might not know what you just saved yourself from, and that's okay. We don't need to. Like, your gut instinct is really important, and you can fine-tune things along the way. Is what he said. It doesn't have to be perfect. You don't have to have it all figured out when you get to do these things.Brad Crowell 28:13  Yeah, and we just gave a whole bunch of examples of how trusting your gut to say no. But there's also the other way around, where you're like, I know this is the right thing, and I can keep going. So we have this really weird innate ability to be in tune. You know, our body is like telling us, but we actually have to tune into that. Our mind has to pay attention to that. So pay attention. It's important. All right. Lesley Logan 28:34  I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 28:35  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 28:35  Thank you so much for listening. Please leave us a review. I had someone ask, once I can't figure out how to leave a review. So here's the deal. Spotify makes it a little easier. You might just have to search. How do I leave a review on whatever platform you listen to this on, but if you're on Apple, they make it fucking ridiculous.Brad Crowell 28:50  Yeah. You got to go to the show. Lesley Logan 28:52  You have to go to the actual show. Brad Crowell 28:53  And then you have to scroll down. Lesley Logan 28:54  And then you scroll down. Brad Crowell 28:55  It will show you like the most recent six episodes or something. And then beneath that you'll see. Lesley Logan 28:59  You'll see some stars that you can like tap (inaudible) and then you'll and then you'll see, write a review. Brad Crowell 29:04  That's what we need, write a review. Lesley Logan 29:07  And then write a review. And that would be great. All right, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 29:12  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 29:14  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. Brad Crowell 29:56  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 30:01  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co. Brad Crowell 30:05  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi. Lesley Logan 30:13  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals. Brad Crowell 30:16  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

I visited Siem Reap, Cambodia many years ago, and have a surface-level understanding of the challenges faced there. Aviv Palti not only visited Siem Reap, but together with his family founded an organisation to help break the poverty cycle in Cambodia through the power of education.    Aviv Palti is the CEO of Lifestyle Brands and founder of the Cambodia Rural Students Trust (CRST). The journey started unexpectedly when Aviv's 14-year-old daughter, Steph, was rejected from a school volunteering trip to Cambodia. Upset and dejected, the Palti family decided to seize the opportunity as a family mission. Two months later, six of them found themselves in Cambodia, volunteering at a rural school outside Siem Reap.   What began as teaching English evolved into a comprehensive program. CRST supports students not only through tuition but also by providing living allowances, healthcare, and mentorship. This support allows them to stay focused on their education and future success. The ripple effect to their extended family is huge, breaking the cycle of poverty that so many Cambodian students are trapped in.    Empowering Others: A Leadership Philosophy The philosophy of building others up underscores CRST, rooted in the belief that empowerment is key to sustainable change. Aviv emphasised the importance of leaders knowing when to step aside and support others, especially when they stumble. It's about building resilience and capability rather than merely stepping in to fix problems.   Leading by Doing: The CRST Model CRST's innovative model places its students at the helm. From early on, students are taught to lead and manage the NGO. They are given roles equivalent to government positions—NGO Manager, Deputy NGO Manager, Education Manager, etc. This hands-on leadership develops their skillsets and instills in them a deep sense of responsibility and ownership, making CRST a sustainable model that equips the leaders of tomorrow.   Building Trust and Sustainability One of the key elements Aviv highlighted was the importance of trust. From the onset, CRST committed to seeing its students through high school and university. This commitment, coupled with transparency and accountability, has built strong relationships with students and their families. Every year, new student selection teams, composed of current students, engage in a meticulous selection process that involves meeting families and village chiefs, ensuring a deep-rooted trust within the community.   Make sure you check out Aviv's book, "Empowered," which is designed as a leadership guide. Featuring stories of CRST alumni who worked to become the future social leaders of their country, Aviv's message is that leadership is a set of responsibilities anyone can learn, practise and own. LINKS Connect with Aviv Palti: Book: Empowered: A new generation of leaders LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aviv-palti-02596080/ Website: https://www.cambodiaruralstudentstrust.org/   Order My New Book “You Always Have A Choice” here  Connect with Julie: LinkedIn:    https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-hyde/ Instagram: @juliehydeleads Website:     https://juliehyde.com.auSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Lesley kicks off the first Friday of October by sharing community wins and her own celebration while in Cambodia. From a corporate exit to growing a Pilates business, this FYF episode is packed with inspiring stories about embracing transitions and celebrating milestones, both big and small.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Leaving a corporate job of 24 years to focus on Pilates career.Steady growth in Pilates business and reconnecting with past clients.Lesley hosted her largest-ever retreat in Cambodia, a result of consistent effort.The importance of celebrating small wins during big transitions. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS!Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox Be in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramThe Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channelFacebookLinkedInThe OPC YouTube Channel Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday.Brad Crowell 0:01  Fuck yeah.Lesley Logan 0:02  Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:46  All right, Be It babe. How are you? How are you? Happy, happy first Friday of October. I am in Cambodia when you hear this and that'll be in my win in a second. But just in case, it's the first episode of the Be It Pod you've ever heard, this is a short one, because we do your wins, win of mine and a little mantra, and it is to remind us that there's good things happening, right? Like, as I record this right now, there are 17 things that went wrong today, all out of my control, and to be honest, makes me go, you know, I'm thinking, I'm just gonna hang today up, just gonna hang it up. But also there's good stuff, and I think that's what's most important about taking time, at least on Fridays, to go FYF, here is a win for me today. So let's start with yours, and we'll get into mine. Lesley Logan 1:32  I'm going to do Stacey Extence. I'm, I think we had a win from her recently, but I just want to, I'm really excited for this win for her, so I want to get this in here. My win is big and lengthy, so apologies. And by the way, it's not lengthy enough, to be honest, Stacey, so no apologies necessary. I've been in my corporate job for 24 years on top of Pilates part-time for three years. For the past decade or so, I worried about being laid off, which is one reason I did teacher training. In June, I received an email letting me know I could participate in a voluntary severance package. No guarantee that I get it, but I pushed the button to apply and left it up to fate. I received notice Wednesday that I was accepted and will be leaving in a month. I am not sad to leave. There are so many reasons I believe I'm ready. They're giving me a nice package and opens the door for so many other things to grow. Stacey, I'm so happy for you. I mean, gosh, 10 years of work and you're gonna get fired at any moment, is so stressful, and I love that you just put it out there, like, yeah, let's see if this happens. And I'm this is a huge win, because you get to go try something new, and that's so scary, but also so exciting. It's not even new, you've been teaching already. You're an excellent teacher. I've known you for a lot of those 10 years, and I'm just so freaking excited to celebrate this with you. Lesley Logan 2:40  We also have a couple from Katie, so I'm going to read them both. Katie is an agency member, just like Stacey and she wrote, my entire month of July is booked, so obviously (inaudible) but here we go, except today, because everyone took a long fourth holiday but I used the time to film three classes. Getting ready to start at a new studio in the fall now that my four year old is going to preschool longer, I've got a few pop-ups scheduled and for the new place this summer, and I've already booked some spots. I love the pace I've been growing at since Piper was born four years ago, and I left teaching high school to be a stay-at-home mom and focus on Pilates. It started with four hours a week, then five, then eight, and now I'm at 10. It's so important to look back and realize I'm doing it. And I raised my prices. Love that one. Then we have an update to this. It says, from Katie Donnelly, this week, I subbed at a studio I taught at from 2017 to 2020. I left, I left because of a new baby, pandemic, 30-minute commute, so good terms. Some old clients saw my name and signed up for class, even though they normally don't take it that time, one even asked what springs I had her on for short spine because, with your cueing, that was the best short spine I've ever done. My client who lost her daughter at 22 weeks in November of 22 had her rainbow baby last week. I (inaudible) her via text message, because I was on vacation. These are my favorite moments in my job. Katie Donnelly, so okay, you guys, I'm gonna go back four years. I remember her being pregnant, and like making this plan to switch from having this school job to having teaching as a job. And it is incredible to see how she's made it work with her dreams. And that doesn't mean it's easy, by the way, like if you're hearing this, cool, must be nice for her, it's she worked hard for it. And I'm not saying that you don't if you're listening to this. I'm saying, like, patience, rolling with it, getting curious, getting support. Both these people had support during these big transitions, and so these wins are humongous. But also, do you see the little wins in between acknowledging what they've done and celebrating, like, the small stuff? Because you gotta do that, y'all, gotta do that. Lesley Logan 4:42  All right, a win of mine. So we are, this is (inaudible) a big win, because it is a big win, but we are starting kicking off our biggest retreat ever in Siem Reap and we're gonna have our biggest retreat ever, March of 2020 and obviously we had a few people drop out. We couldn't cancel the retreat, because no one would call it a pandemic. So we, no one's insurance would go in, so nor would ours. So we actually had to host it, and we had an amazing retreat. And what a family that was. I got to see some of those retreaters on the tour this summer, but this is our first retreat Since 2020 that is at capacity, and we're actually celebrating with some people, like, my mom's coming for the first time, my brother's coming. Our publicist is coming. Like, it's a really big party. We have a whole, a group of people who have all come together. They're related, they're best friends. It's just really amazing. And so this win is actually a culmination of a lot of little wins along the way of us just continuing to go and be consistent and showing up for what we know is best, and like relearning and learning and adjusting and making changes and so Brad and I are really excited as we get ready for everyone to arrive. And actually a lot of people arrived a day early. We are celebrating and basking in, this win is huge and we don't normally want to promote only the big wins, but I do mean it when I say it's a culmination of a lot of little wins we celebrate along the way, and every single day will be a celebration. And I think that's really cool. That's really fun. And I'm excited, and I'm excited because several of you are with me on this retreat. You're part of this win, and some of you are going to be with us on the February retreat because we'll keep doing this. So anyways, I hope to see you on a retreat. We definitely talk a lot about celebrating our wins and being present and breath work and mindset and manifestation and all this awesome stuff, and we see some cool temples along the way. But yeah, that's my win this week. I think it's good to celebrate the big ones every once in a while, especially when you work so hard to get there. But if you don't have a big win coming together just yet, like Katie did, or the close of a chapter, like Stacey did, or like our retreat, please remember that those small wins, like I slept in or I didn't scream at my dog for doing the wrong thing because he's a puppy and doesn't know better. Like those, those are all wins, and you can celebrate those, too and I want to hear them, so make sure you send them in to the Be It Pod so we can shout them out to you, because by the time you hear them, you might just need to be reminded that you had a win last week or last month or whatever. Lesley Logan 7:10  All right, so now let me lead you to a little mantra to kick off your weekend. I'm going to use this one too. All right, today I celebrate that I'm younger than I'm ever going to be. You guys, I pull these out randomly. Today I celebrate that I'm younger than I'm ever going to be. Today I celebrate I'm younger than I'm ever going to be. Y'all cannot at all once today say I'm getting old, because today you are the youngest you will ever be, and we're celebrating that. You are awesome. And thank you for listening to the Be It Pod. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 7:42  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 8:24  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 8:29  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 8:34  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 8:41  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 8:44  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Brad and Lesley reflect on the fascinating insights shared by Dr. Louise Swartswalter—a transformational coach and naturopathic doctor—who introduced her mind gem techniques for clearing energetic fields, boosting brain function, and improving focus. Join them as they break down how to integrate these transformational tools into your life, and why balancing your personal energy is essential for growth and long-term success.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:The role of energy and why it's important to clear influences to maintain balance.The connection between your personal health and business success.The impact of unresolved generation trauma on your energy fields.How Lesley cleared her grandfather's trauma for emotional relief.How to practice mind gems daily to enhance focus, balance, and improve sleep.Episode References/Links:Ep. 421 Dr. Louise A. SwartswalterDr. Louise A. SwartswalterAffiliate LinkCambodia February 2025 RetreatFlashcard WaitlistPilates Studio Growth AcceleratorOPC Winter Tour  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. DEALS! Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox Be in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramFacebookLinkedIn  Episode Transcript:Brad Crowell 0:00  It's a little weird, I'm not gonna lie, but I'll tell you, what's so funny is because she's clearly highly educated, and in the first like two minutes of the interview, I was like, I want to call this doctor, and I'm ready. And then that was before I even knew anything about her, because she's very compelling and she knows what she's talking about. Lesley Logan 0:19  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  Lesley Logan 1:00  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig it and laugh through this entire intro. We are recapping the episode with Dr. Louise Swarstwalter on our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, you should go back and listen to it. It's amazing. It's rehabilitating, some would say, and then come back and listen to this one. Brad Crowell 1:23  Do it. Take it. Lesley Logan 1:24  Today is.Brad Crowell 1:24  I think it's necessary, y'all. Lesley Logan 1:26  Oh, Brad was doing the whole thing in the car. He was listening to it as we were driving back from L.A. today. And he was like, tapping his belly and doing all those things, saying his numbers. Was really great. So if you have no idea we're saying, it's because you didn't listen to that episode. And you should go do that. Brad Crowell 1:38  It's true. Lesley Logan 1:39  So today is September 19th 2024 and it's National Pawpaw Day. About this day. National Pawpaw Day, held every third Thursday in September, celebrates a tropical-looking fruit native to North America, which tastes like a cross between a mango, a banana, and sometimes other fruits. I just really love that, and sometimes other fruits. It's a crossing of mango and banana, but sometimes it tastes like something else. Brad Crowell 2:01  And sometimes it could taste like coffee. Lesley Logan 2:03  Yeah, with over 60 varieties and a unique creamy texture, it's a wonder that more people don't know about the pawpaw, also known as the Kentucky Banana and a Hillbilly mango. The pawpaw grows all across the South as the largest fruit native to the United States, although we don't see it on our store shelves much today. The papaw was an important part of traditional Native American diets and is used for various purposes today. I didn't get into why it's not in the grocery stores. I just want to know like now I have so many questions. I've never seen this fruit before. Brad Crowell 2:31  The only reason I even know about this fruit is because of the Jungle Book. Lesley Logan 2:35  It's in the Jungle Book? Brad Crowell 2:37  The bare necessities of life will come to you. And in there, he says something about that and the pawpaw thing. And I was like, what's a pawpaw? (inaudible) I was like, you know, eight.Lesley Logan 2:54  Wow, you're curious. Okay, well, there it is. Lesley Logan 2:58  So coming up, we're actually 10 days away from getting on a plane to go to Cambodia, and you can't come unless you've already signed up for this one. So we're not inviting you to that, but we are inviting that you come to the February one.Brad Crowell 3:12  Yes, February 23rd to 28th, come join us at our home in Siem Reap we're gonna do some working out, a couple workshops, some meditating, some, all the things that you need to hit the reset button, to step away from our craziness that we are all building in our lives and go experience an amazing, amazing place with incredible people and explore the Temples of Angkor, which is our version of the pawpaw Jungle Book song.Lesley Logan 3:39  And their own fruits that taste like similar to different things. But also, if you, like, if when I said you can't come, you got, you felt a ping of disappointment, that means you want to. Brad Crowell 3:52  That's true. Lesley Logan 3:52  So what a fun game I just played. So you need to go to crowsnestretreats.com to snag your spot. The time's running out for that February one. Brad Crowell 4:02  Yeah. PS, a pawpaw looks like a mango but it's not a mango. Lesley Logan 4:07  Like a mango, yeah. But it also, but also, it has weird seeds in it that look like something else, like a like, not a kiwi, but something, I feel like in Cambodia, we've had a fruit that has similar-looking seeds like that. Lesley Logan 4:20  Okay, also, when I get back from Cambodia, I'm going to be going to L.A. for a week and Brad's gonna meet me at some point to film the photo, to do the photos for the upcoming and final deck of the flash cards, the sixth deck. Can you freaking believe it? Holy moly, we are wrapping this project up, my friends, we'll still be talking about for a year, because it takes a year to make these things, a little over a year for every deck. But if you are not on the wait list for the accessories deck, you want to go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist—that is all singular—opc.me/flashcardwaitlist. I can't say it two more times fast, so we're going to end it there. But only the people on the waitlist get the presale price. The presale price is the best price. Brad Crowell 5:04  The presale price is the best price. Lesley Logan 5:05  And by the way, just so you know, Brad can't wait for this deck to be finished, because he's gonna do a deck together. And if you think, oh, that's when I can get the discount, I've been waiting for years, you're not. He's just gonna charge more to put it in a really nice box, and it'll be really cool. So we have to plan that box out, babe. And then when we come back from that, we're going on, oh, before we do that, okay, Brad's inserting something else. So hold, Brad, why don't you take it from here? Brad Crowell 5:30  Take it away. All right, Brad, we have been working with fitness business owners just like you, whether that means you have a small studio at your home, or maybe you're renting from someone, or you have a team and a larger space. We've been working with Profitable Pilates since 2018 so we're looking at six plus years now, and we've boiled down all the coaching hours and all the coaching calls and all things, we found three big secrets to growing your income. And I've been doing free webinars to help people understand the concepts in this. So I would love for you to join me. If this is something that you know you're feeling stuck in your business, this is a great way to kind of just step back from it, look at it from a third party perspective, and then see how you can apply some of these principles. So come join me. It's called the Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator. You can sign up for free and find all the information on when I'm hosting it next at prfit.biz—that's profit without the O—prfit.biz/accelerator. So come join me for free.Lesley Logan 6:31  All right, and then we are going to go on tour. Brad Crowell 6:34  That's right, December's coming. December into January. We are going to be on the road for 35 days. I'm pretty sure it includes, like, some time off with the family over, over Christmas. But we are gonna be hitting 24 cities. That's at least two events per city. We're talking almost 50 events in a month's period here. We would love to see you in person. Come join us. Go to opc.me/tour and that will either put you on a waitlist for when we actually release all the information, or maybe it's already up and you can start checking out when we're coming near you.Lesley Logan 7:10  By the way, I've already approved the tour shirt.Brad Crowell 7:14  Oh snap. I haven't even seen this yet. Lesley Logan 7:16  I know. You have to wait. You have to wait. Okay, it's fucking fabulous. It's just brilliant. It's so brilliant. So anyways, you're gonna want it, but it's gonna be weird if you wear it and you didn't come on tour. I'm just saying. I mean, you can get it if you didn't come on tour. Brad Crowell 7:33  Yeah, get it anyway. They're turning into collectors editions, people. Lesley Logan 7:36  I know. Especially because we're getting cooler and cooler at it. Okay, before we get into Dr. Louise. Do we have an audience question? Brad Crowell 7:42  We do, @swimdog75 on YouTube asked, "Hey Lesley, I'm a huge fan of yours. I keep seeing the box lately placed in different positions," I'm assuming this means the short box for the reformer, "When I work with certain instructors or teach for one of the certification programs, I see the box in front of the shoulder rest. Other times I see it right in front of the peg of the shoulder rest. Where do you prefer the box?" Lesley Logan 8:05  So great question. Depends on the person. Depends on the box. So here's a deal. I can't tell you why people put tall people on boxes with the box in front of the shoulder rest. If they think it's that the box doesn't move around. If you're getting on the box and it's moving around, you are getting on the box wrong. So, if you didn't ever have a reformer, this is a weird question.Brad Crowell 8:24  Or it depends on the reformer, maybe there's no way to kind of stop it from potentially sliding off. I know yours has like a little slot but. Lesley Logan 8:31  Yeah, I have little pegs and some people don't like to use that because sometimes people like tear the box by putting it over there because the peg is there. Brad Crowell 8:39  Just be careful. Lesley Logan 8:41  Also, just be careful. I've never torn a box, so like, just be thoughtful. So here's the deal. Ideally, you place the box over the shoulder rest before the pegs, if you have them, so that your legs can be straight when under the strap doing the short box series. Brad Crowell 8:57  Okay, say that one more time. Lesley Logan 8:59  The shorter version is you place the box on the reformer where you can have straight legs with your feet underneath the strap for the short box series. That's where you place the box. So.Brad Crowell 9:07  And how far should the box be down your leg? Lesley Logan 9:10  That's going to depend on the size of your butt.Brad Crowell 9:14  So you're just talking about sitting on the box. You have to be able to sit on the box with your legs straight.Lesley Logan 9:19  You sit on the box with a little bit of space behind you. Brad Crowell 9:21  Your feet Lesley Logan 9:22  Under a strap, flexed ankles with tension, and your legs are straight-ish. Brad Crowell 9:27  And a piña colada. Lesley Logan 9:28  Yes. Brad Crowell 9:29  Perfect. Lesley Logan 9:29  And so what I don't like is when I see people because the boxes in front of the shoulder rest have very, very bent knees, like they're in a chair. And then we wonder why they're hanging off their hip flexors, or they're using their back. You put the box in the wrong spot. Now, if the studios you're at have a rule, obviously you got to follow some rules. But if you are here because you like to nerd out and actually understand the why behind the what, your legs are supposed to be straight, you're supposed to use the back of your legs. There's a lot of hamstring, glute, inner thigh working. It's a full body exercise always, if your exercises are only doing sit ups, then you are not using your full body. It's a full body exercise. So you place the box where people can have the straight legs, so they can use their full body and the exercise. And then it comes to but then the box tips because it's over here. Look, you can gear reformers out to create more space. You can put it in front of the shoulder blocks if people are short. You can lengthen the straps. There's a lot of different things you can do. Brad's not on DND, and I already told him that. So at any rate. Brad Crowell 10:26  I am on DND. Lesley Logan 10:27  We are calling you out. Brad Crowell 10:28  It was DND. Lesley Logan 10:30  So at any rate, I prefer the box to be where people can have straight legs and do the short box series with their full body. That's what I prefer. I will show this, I will show this answer on a live on YouTube as well, because I think a visual is a really great idea. Brad Crowell 10:46  That's a great question, swimdog75.Lesley Logan 10:49  And if you are a teacher going, oh my God, I never thought about like that, then it's because you need to do my eLevate program. Brad Crowell 10:55  That's right. Lesley Logan 10:56  And I can't tell you if there's any spots left, because at the time we're recording this, we have more people approved than we can take.Brad Crowell 11:01  But 2026 is coming up and I'm literally already having conversations with people about. Lesley Logan 11:06  We're already filling that. So you want to go. Brad Crowell 11:08  Yeah, go to lesleylogan.co/elevate that's lesleylogan.co/elevate.Lesley Logan 11:15  Send your questions in. We want to answer them. We love answering your questions. It's so much fun. Brad Crowell 11:19  Yeah, by the way, you can text them in so if you haven't just texted, you can text to say hi, hit us up at 310-905-5534, 310-905-5534. Send us a text or a DM or post a comment on the tubes of you. Awesome. All right, well stick around, because in a few minutes, we're going to dig into, or in a minute here, we're gonna dig into Dr. Louise Swarstwalter.Lesley Logan 11:43  And do you know if we made them wait for a few minutes? Stick around for a few minutes.Brad Crowell 11:48  Just stick around, 10 minutes from now, we'll be right back. No, I'm lying. All right. Brad Crowell 11:53  Okay. Now let's talk about Dr. Louise A Swarstwalter. Transformational coach and naturopathic doctor specializing in brain health and emotional healing,. Dr. Swarstwalter is the creator of the Brain Soul Success Academy and the B.R.A.I.N. system. B-R-A-I-N system. She combines multisensory techniques and energy work to help individuals, including children with ADHD, overcome learning challenges and achieve mental clarity. This all happened because of her long journey where, I think she got an accident. I can't remember exactly what triggered it when she was in her 20s and 30s, but she said her brain was really not working properly. Lesley Logan 12:33  She had, like, autoimmune stuff. Brad Crowell 12:34  Yeah, oh, maybe she was sick. Lesley Logan 12:36  Yeah. She was really, really sick, and they couldn't figure it out. Brad Crowell 12:39  Yeah, she said she saw all the doctors, and basically they, you know, she ended up on her own just trying to piece things together, which centered on this journey of beginning to study all sorts of different things. And then she, I don't know when, but, you know, 30s, 40s, she became a doctor. How crazy. Lesley Logan 12:53  It's kind of crazy. I've been, I've been listening to a lot of other doctor modalities lately, and like, the amount of them that have been like, there are so many things in the food and the world today that affecting women's health that it is complicated when something happens and they can't figure it out, because your symptoms are from all over your body, and the doctors here are so siloed.Brad Crowell 13:16  Yeah, they're specialized, sure. Lesley Logan 13:17  So you end up just getting worse and worse, and it's kind of crazy. So she ended up taking, manage it in her own hands and then becoming someone who could heal people, and it's been really crazy to see what she's done. Brad Crowell 13:25  Yeah, it's also, it's also, it's also. Lesley Logan 13:28  You wanted to say it's a little bit weird.You wanted to say it's a little bit weird.Brad Crowell 13:31  It's a little bit weird. Lesley Logan 13:31  It's a little weird. Brad Crowell 13:32  It's a little weird. I'm not gonna lie, but I'll tell you, what's so funny is because she's clearly highly educated, and in the first like, two minutes of the interview, I was like, I want to call this doctor, and I'm ready. And then that was before I even knew anything about her because she's very compelling and she knows what she's talking about.Lesley Logan 13:50  And she also, like, because I've been able to teach for her, her groups of people, they're from all over. They're super cool, also all compassion, also so supportive, and she's really helped them. And I've, I've also seen, like, the before and after picture, the people she's done this stuff with, and by the way, these are before and after, like, we're not talking weight loss, we're talking like her just clearing the thing. Like, I got my, my great grandfather stuff got cleared. I did (inaudible).Brad Crowell 14:16  She introduced herself as a trauma coach. Right?Lesley Logan 14:19  Yeah. My great grandfather's stuff got cleared for me, and I felt so much better for days after. I really felt good. Brad Crowell 14:27  Definitely, on the woo scale, I think we're talking to three. Lesley Logan 14:32  Oh, Brad's going woo, woo, woo? Brad Crowell 14:33  Yeah, we're gonna woo, woo, woo on this one.Lesley Logan 14:36  Does that mean that you came back around though?Brad Crowell 14:38  Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. I'm intrigued. I'm genuinely intrigued. Because.Lesley Logan 14:44  It doesn't. Here's the thing, you don't have to join a commune for this to work. You don't have to go anywhere to get this help. Brad Crowell 14:50  It's not a cult. That I could tell, not that I'm an expert on cult, but it didn't seem like it. Lesley Logan 14:54  Well, I am, but also, but like, it's not like you're doing on a subscription membership. She, I don't think it's a great business model. She cleared my great grandfather's trauma for generations. So it's like, we're done there. Brad Crowell 15:06  Well, it was, you know, and I participated in the exercise too. Even though she was doing it for you, I actually felt more calm. Lesley Logan 15:14  Yeah. So she did the gyms for OPC members. And the members only stuff there is actually this gym thing, and she teaches this thing that she has her kids do, and she does it, like, each day to like, start the day, and it's really a great few minutes you get to spend with yourself and just kind of, like, set yourself up. So I'm not gonna lie, it's different. But also, like, some of the stuff that's out there that we think is safe is not so, like, I'm just saying, it's not, you're not take, here, you're not doing Colloidal Silver, you know what I mean, like you're not drinking anything, not shooting yourself with anything. She's not selling supplements like, you know, well, so I think that takes the woo off. I'm just saying. Brad Crowell 15:51  All right, all right. We'll, we'll settle on a double woo. So when she was talking about energy.Lesley Logan 15:56  Yeah, so she said, we're all energy, 99% space and 1% matter, and she can compare the brain's energy field to an atom with rings around it, which can become unbalanced. And that makes sense to me, like if you think about Saturn's rings and how the solar system works, if something goes out of orbit a little bit, it pulls things in a whole different way, and so it would make you feel out of balance or sick or need something, and she stressed the importance of learning to clear these energetic influences to maintain balance and wellbeing. So I really like that, because sometimes yesterday's shit comes into today, so you can clear that.Brad Crowell 16:32  And not even just yesterday. I mean, yes, that can be internal, but like, especially for teachers you all have, you've all experienced this. Your client comes in, they're in a shit mood and what happens? You walk out of that session going argh because they've affected you, right? We are all susceptible to the energy that's around us. And I definitely have been around people who are angry and I'm like, I don't want to be around that person. I've been the one that are angry, and people said, hey, man, you're stressing me out, even though you're not angry at me. So, you know, we affect, I think we also, like often call this charisma, without realizing that it is energy that we're giving out. Lesley Logan 17:12  You have some rizz, babe, some rizz, that's what they call it now. Brad Crowell 17:14  Yeah, rizz, rizzy riz, so yeah, this doesn't strike me as odd or weird or even woo. I'm totally on board with the energy that we all emit. We are living beings. So sure. Lesley Logan 17:26  So what else did you love now that you're in? Brad Crowell 17:28  Yeah, yeah, okay. She said, pain starts in the field and unresolved issues can hinder progress. So I think when we're talking about the field, we're talking about just being out and doing life and doing the things, right? She said, for instance, personal wellbeing affects business success. So we carry, we carry these things with us throughout the day. They can transit, transfer from, I mean, it's like the work, work energy, home energy. You go home and you're like, I need to chill for a second before I can engage without bringing this with me into my family life, with my kids, or whatever. I'm sure many of you want to understand what I mean there. They're not that I have kids, but she said, oftentimes business owners don't realize that unless you're healthy, your brain is working and your field is clear, they'll keep pumping up against problems such as deeper layers of worry and sabotage. So maybe that, maybe I said that wrong, because I think our field is our energy field that we have. But when things get stuck in that energy field, we're bringing it with us into the other events of our lives. And it can affect our business, it can affect your sleep. It clearly can affect your relationships. It can affect the way that you see yourself. And I thought it was interesting, because what she asked you about was are you brought up the worrying?Lesley Logan 18:43  Yes, I was in a very big state of worry. I had this thing that I couldn't stop worrying about. And I was like, you know when you worry about something and then you spin it out, like they're like, then it's gonna go out to this. Oh my god, if I don't admit it, then it's, then it could actually, if we don't take care, it's gonna affect that, then that's gonna affect this. And I went on this domino, you guys. I told myself a story. It was a series. I told myself an entire series.Brad Crowell 19:06  Well, yeah, and again. I think this makes total sense to me, and this doesn't strike me as odd, that when we are affected by something, we carry that with us, that baggage with us, especially with trauma. I think the concept of trauma seems very tangible to me, and I understand that. So this idea of a field, pain starts in the field. It will stay with you. So yeah, that's then where we get into clearing that field. And I need to understand a little bit more about that with her. But stick around for that. We're gonna, we're gonna talk a little bit more about that in just a second. Brad Crowell 19:40  All right, so welcome back. Thanks. Finally, let's talk about those, Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Dr Swarstwalter? She said we obviously need to keep working on ourselves and be mindful of brain hiccups, right, or moments of worry or anxiety where we shift back into what was in our field, right, the things that were stuck there. And she said a good way to be conscious of those things is to pull out a journal and just jot down a note—I worried about this today—and it allows you to come back to it later and be like, wow, six times today I worried about this thing, or just have some moments of reflection or awareness. But what I didn't talk about, I wanted to make sure y'all got the follow-up there. So the thing that I found that I don't really understand at all, and what was like double woo on the spectrum for me during your interview, was when she was clearing your ancestral trauma, and she mentioned this. I don't even know what she called it, actually, but it was like the somehow, the study of universal numbers, and she brought those numbers into play when she was working with you to clear what was stemming from your great grandfather. And I don't understand that in any way. So that's intriguing to me.Lesley Logan 20:56  Oh my God, I forgot to tell you. After this, so if you all listen to the interview, so it's important, you know that, like, my dad did not leave me, my parents did a mini separation. I'm pretty sure my grandfather told my dad to, like, he had to take my mom, or my mom had, like, somehow, my grandfather. Brad Crowell 21:15  I'll get them back home, basically. Lesley Logan 21:16  Yeah, so, and it wasn't like my dad wanted to leave. So I think it's really, really important, like, there was nothing. It wasn't like my dad was like, I don't want to be a dad anymore. But I asked my dad out of curiosity, hey Dad, how old was I? He said, the exact age that, that we said that, Dr. Louise said on, she's like, you were like 11, so and I was like, he said, he's like, yeah, I think you were like 11 or 12. And I was like, wow. I did not tell him. I did not, I said, hey, I'm just like, curious, like, remember that time like.Brad Crowell 21:41  Did you tell her? Lesley Logan 21:42  No. Brad Crowell 21:42  I'm just also intrigued. That was like, I literally rewound that and watch that two or three times. Because I was like, what did I just see? And I, because it was when she started to just do her work, and not explain what she was doing, that I was like, where are we going here, and what's happening right now? Lesley Logan 21:57  And she asked, and she said you were 11 years old. And I was like, okay, so I just, like, that night my it was just my dad and I going to the gym, and I said, hey, Dad, like, kind of curious, remember that time, like, you got your mom, like, separated for, like, I don't know, 36 fucking hours, like, and he's like, I think you're like, 11. And I was like, shut up. Shut up.Brad Crowell 22:17  Well, that's kind of amazing. All right. Well, anyway, what about you? What's your Be It Action Item? Lesley Logan 22:22  If you've ever been like, I only need to listen to recaps. I don't have to listen to an interview. It's like, (inaudible) it all. Now, you do.Brad Crowell 22:29  You have to listen to the interview. In fact, watch the interview, watch it on YouTube, because, like, she's, she's incredibly endearing, too. Lesley Logan 22:37  She's so sweet. Brad Crowell 22:38  Yeah, she's lovely.Lesley Logan 22:39  She looks like she should be teaching at church on Sundays. She said practice your mind gems. And it's her free gift, everyone. So if you don't, if you're an OPC member, you'll ask, you can still access this mind gems gift, but if you're an OPC member, you can, like, watch her teach it to me and all that stuff. Brad Crowell 22:54  And this is what a mind gem, a mind gem is a set of handheld positions, that you can do in like five minutes or less, and what it'll do for you is change your focus and balance so it can increase your focus and memory, improve your balance and align your energy, and then get grounded and better sleep.Lesley Logan 23:12  Yeah. So you do some stuff with your hands on your head, and you switch which hand goes there, so you can stay present. Then you clear shock and anxiety by counting your fingers and pressing them on either side of your thymus gland. Then you breathe deeply during these exercises to enhance their common effects. So there's all these different things you can do, and I can't. I obviously haven't practiced them. So clearly called out right now, but it's her gift to you, so don't let me take that away from you. It's really cool. When we did it with the OPC members, like, people really loved it, and they're like, I want my mom to do this. So, like, super, super cool stuff. So your Be It takeaway is to go get your mind gems tutorial and try it. Because here's the thing, if meditating for four minutes or five minutes is not working for you, if breath work isn't working for you, you tried face yoga, it didn't work for you, and you tell me all the time, I'm so busy, I'm so busy, you may as well give the mind gems a try, because it takes four minutes and you get to move around, you get to count, you get to think. So it's all those things, plus it's calming and it clears your field. It's kind of cool. Brad Crowell 24:08  I love it, yeah, oh, links in the show notes. Or you can go to her website, brainsoulsuccess.com and from there, click on the download mind gems.Lesley Logan 24:17  She is on this mission to heal so many brains. So like, she's kind of amazing. She's been on so many TV shows. She's quite cool. Brad Crowell 24:25  She has been on all sorts of TV shows. It's true. Yep.Lesley Logan 24:30  I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 24:31  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 24:32  How are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know. Tag, the Be It Pod. Tag Dr. Louise. Share this with a friend. You know, you know, share it with a friend who also might think things are (inaudible) but you can previs like she, like, I was, you listen to recap. She did not know about, I think Brad knew that my parents had, like, a momentary separation. So at any rate, like, it's pretty cool. It's pretty interesting. So you can share it with a friend who needs it, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 25:00  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 25:02  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell recap their favorite takeaways from the interview with renowned author, psychologist, and dream guest Gay Hendricks. Discover insights on self-sabotage, transforming your perception of time, and the power of wonder and creativity. Tune in to learn how to apply these transformative insights and start overcoming your limitations.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How previous guests' Be It Action Items changed Lesley and Brad's daily routines.Lesley's persistence to secure Gay Hendricks as guest for the podcast.Gay Hendricks' insights on identifying and overcoming self-sabotage.The concept of Newtonian vs. Einstein Time and how it affects your day.How to manipulate time perception to achieve better results.Key questions to ignite your wonder to unlock your genius zone.How to commit to daily creativity and help you manifest your true potential.Episode References/Links:OPC Summer ToureLevate Mentorship Program for 2025Cambodia February 2025 RetreatOPC $40 for 40 DaysStudio Growth Accelerator for Profitable PilatesHendricks InstituteThe Big Leap by Gay HendricksDr. Mindy Pelz FastingJohanna White Episode 171Dai Manuel's Episode 185Phil Barth Episode 187Nikole Mitchell Episode 319Kel Cal's Episode 382  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. DEALS! 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I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to talk about the dream convo I had with Gay Hendricks, oh my god, in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, you are missing the fuck out. You are missing out. Brad Crowell 1:07  It's a great convo.Lesley Logan 1:09  Isn't that wonderful? Don't you just want to be friends with him? Brad Crowell 1:12  Okay, so if you don't know who Gay Hendricks is. He is a renowned author and psychotherapist. And he blew my mind when he said yeah, so I've written 51 books in the last 50 years. I was like what? That's insane. Fascinating, fascinating human. Sounds like the coolest guy. Lesley Logan 1:36  So cool. He loves his wife. Did you? You didn't watch it, did you? Brad Crowell 1:40  I did. Lesley Logan 1:41  You watched it? Did you see him tear up? He's like, she was gone for three days and just came back. I was like, my husband doesn't tear up when I return.Brad Crowell 1:50  What? What husband? Lesley Logan 1:51  Ah. Anyways, we're gonna get into that convo because I loved it so much. I am just, I can't even believe, I can't believe it happened. So today is August 1st 2024 and it's the beginning of National Wellness Month. About this month. In August, we celebrate National Wellness Month. Prioritizing your self-care managing stress and promoting healthy routines. Create wholesome habits in your lifestyle and focus on self-care to feel like your best self. We can often put our health and wellness on the backburner due to work deadlines, traffic, family obligations and other stressors. Research has shown self-care helps manage stress and promotes happiness. For a happy and healthy life, it's important to focus on wellness and self-care. National Wellness Month was born out of the idea that if we're going to do big things in the world—build our careers, raise a family further education, create new ideas and nurture our bodies—we must take care of ourselves. Brad Crowell 2:38  Got to do it. Lesley Logan 2:39  Hey, Brad, how do you take care of yourself?Brad Crowell 2:43  I eat well and I sleep occasionally. Lesley Logan 2:49  No, you sleep more than occasionally it's gotten a lot better. You used to like do a lot of all-nighters at least one a week and you don't do that anymore.Brad Crowell 2:55  Yeah, it's true. I don't do that anymore. Lesley Logan 2:57  Yet you also work out. Brad Crowell 2:59  Oh, yeah, I do that. I do workout actually more now than I have in, well, maybe there was one point when I was super diehard with my yoga practice where I was doing, like four or five times a week. But yeah, I mean, I'd say I'm pretty much moving every day intentionally, you know.Lesley Logan 3:19  You also cold plunge in the morning. Brad Crowell 3:21  Yeah, been cold plunging. I've been doing some sunlight in the AM.Lesley Logan 3:27  You do get your morning sunlight. You also do yoga almost once a week. Brad Crowell 3:31  Yeah. Also, you know, doing some vitamins through our supplements. AG1. You know, stuff like that. So it's been good. It's been actually more than I've ever done in my entire life. Lesley Logan 3:46  Yeah. And you didn't try to do all the things at the same time you like, added one in at a time.Brad Crowell 3:51  It's. That's exactly right. We all have heard you talk about your morning routine and self-care routine, but I must say the thing that I the most excited about is the cold plunging. And I'm sure you're excited about that, too. I know it's become a daily thing for you.Lesley Logan 4:07  I love the cold plunge. I never miss a day. I'm actually so bummed that I'm not going to have the cold plunge when I travel. Like that's the hardest thing is like, a cold shower is not the same. Brad Crowell 4:16  It's not. Lesley Logan 4:17  You can do it. But it's just it's a little torturous to be completely honest. Yeah. Yeah, I also love that I added my sauna blanket into my routine. It's more of a weekly thing, a couple times a week. And I made the mistake of going oh, I'm working out later this afternoon. So I'll sauna this morning. And I've been fasting like, Mindy Pelz fasting thing and nope, not a good idea to sauna blanket during the fasting window. I was like, oh my god, I'm famished. So, not great but, it was good intent. Good intentions. Well, you guys, we want to hear your self-care routine. So send them to us. We can share them with others because people need to know what are different ways of taking care of ourselves. Self-care is not a reward you do for being a good person in this world, it's part of your rights as being a human being who, just so you know, you're a much better person in this planet when you take care of yourself.Brad Crowell 5:11  It's true. That's why we encourage everyone to do Pilates. Lesley Logan 5:15  And speaking of Pilates, we're leaving in three days from today. So if you listen to us on a different day then, we might be already on the road for our summer tour, our sixth tour powered by Balanced Body. We are hitting 13 cities and so many are sold out. But there are some spots and some things we want to see you so go to opc.me/tour to snag your spot. Bring a friend who's probably curious, of course, come for the community, get the Pilates and win some prizes. It's a good time.Brad Crowell 5:43  Actually, a bunch of the classes are already sold out. But there's, there might still be some availability. So make sure you go check opc.me/tour 5000 miles over 16 days we're going to be ripping through and so come hang out. We actually love to meet all of our members in person, you know, or listeners in person, come hang out and come meet the pups. It's gonna be good time. Lesley Logan 6:07  Yeah. Also, my eLevate applications are open for 2025. It's my mentorship for teachers who've already been trained on the mat, reformer, tower and chair, then you can apply to be in my mentorship program. We really like dive in deep and nerd out and help you teach the body in front of you and like progress clients with confidence, but also, also get nerdy about your personal practice. It's a lot of fun. We've had so many grads and we have a ton of amazing people already signed up for 2025, space is super limited so if you're interested, you don't want to hesitate and wait to the last minute because I might not have any slots. And the next one won't be till 2026. So lesleylogan.co/elevate is where you can apply.Brad Crowell 6:51  Yeah. Okay, next up is one of my absolute favorite things to do. You've heard me talk about Cambodia before. We are going back in February, the end of February 2025. And we would love to have you join us it is an once in a lifetime opportunity. Seriously, the memories that you're gonna make from this experience you will tell everyone about it, you will brag about. It is a bucket list thing. We're gonna go to temples of Angkor, there are lots and lots of temples and we'll get to see a whole bunch of them, get to eat amazing food, meet some incredible people. You're gonna stay at our place, you know, in, you know, right in Siem Reap is the city that we're in. And then we get to do Pilates and all the things, so it is just amazing. Go to crowsnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com if the end of February 2025 works for you. And if it doesn't just go there and you know, add yourself to the waitlist for future retreats. Lesley Logan 7:45  Yes. And then, if you haven't yet tried the OPC, we want you to. OPC is our Online Pilates Classes membership where you come and just nerd out about Pilates and you get accountability to show up for yourself. Our classes are 30 minutes. Every week in our monthly classes you have access to the full month or 50 minutes, but you can finish as many minutes as you want because I do believe finishing is optional. And we have amazing teachers besides myself. Also, we made a change. So now you get access to each weekly class for two weeks. So when you log in, you'll see this week's class, you'll see last week's class. And so when you try OPC for 40 days for $40, so it's $1 a day, you're going to have access to several different classes to really enjoy and nerd out about in your body and also access to our members link community where you can get feedback on your form, and so much support. So go to opc.me/40.Brad Crowell 8:39  Yeah, do it. Next up, we got something new, we're making a few changes to a webinar I've been working on for a really long time, the Studio Growth Accelerator for Profitable Pilates. So if you are a fitness business owner and you've got a small business or medium-sized business and you're looking to figure out your money, and how to get more of it, and what all that means, join me on this accelerator. It's a free webinar. Free. So go to prfit.biz/accelerator, prfit.biz/accelerator that is profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator. And, you know, add yourself to to the list and then we'll let you know exactly when things are kicking off. And we'll be digging into money together. It's really exciting.Lesley Logan 9:33  Okay, before we get into, I can't wait to talk about Gay. I'm so excited. Before you do that we have an audience question. We have a listener question. So Brad, what is our question we're answering this?Brad Crowell 9:43  Okay, cool. Erin Donahue asked, 'Hey, what have you changed in your daily routine or way of thinking as a result of one of the guests' Be It Action Items?' By the way, I think it's perfectly timed with today being the beginning of National Wellness Month. Lesley Logan 9:58  Yeah, it's great timing.Brad Crowell 10:00  Yeah. What have changed in your daily routine or way of thinking as a result of one of your guests' Be It Action Items?Lesley Logan 10:06  There's a there have been some things that, I've done a lot and we've had so many, I mean, 400 episodes. So like, that's not all 200 interviews but like Brad Crowell 10:14  120 or 130. Lesley Logan 10:16  130 interviews. So it's 130 minimum. Brad Crowell 10:19  Probably 150 because we didn't start doing the third episode till partway through this. Lesley Logan 10:23  Yeah. And also, some people give us four Be It Action items, three. So there's been a lot that I'm like, oh, I love, I want to try that out. Or oh, I really love that one or oh, I don't need that one right now. But I know someone who does. I will say what changed my way of thinking is when Dai Manuel from episode 185 talked about 30 minutes is only 2% of your day. I had no idea that 30, how cool am I that I created OPC with 30 minutes, I'm only taking up two percent of your day. But it changed my way of thinking. And so now instead of like going (inaudible) time for that, I'm like, it's only 2% of my day, do I not have 2% of my day to dedicate to myself? You know what I mean? Like, it really changed my way of how I prioritize even just 30 minutes for myself, because my goodness, you got to have that in your day. It doesn't have to be all at once but that's really cool. I did do Kel Cal's, like, be it till you see it song several days in a row. And I have to say, because I would play it while I was cold plunging. And I think this is so fun. But I also kind of want like a different song all the time, which is making me research too much. And so obviously the overachiever in me is like, wearing its ugly head. So I got to tame that beast, but I really do. I really, I want to find a five-minute long song to be completely honest because then it's not ending while I'm in the cold plunge in it and like having to find a new song or repeat it. But that being said, that was a great one. I really liked that one. I think I changed my mindset around some mantras because of Nikole Mitchell. You know, like posts and things like that, like putting reminders up where I can see them because of her Be It Action Items. So which one? Can you think of any that you've added? Or changed your thinking?Brad Crowell 12:05  I mean, there's so many different things, but two that really jumped out for me over the years that have actually made an impact. One of them is Phil Barth actually saidLesley Logan 12:16  Oh my god, Phil Barth.Brad Crowell 12:18  Yeah. He said, (inaudible) he basically said, if you don't make room for your bucket list, you'll never do your bucket list. Okay? So I know, it's like one of those things we like, I'm gonna get to it someday, I'll eventually get to it. And I really loved where he's like, pushing you to put a date on that, a timeline on that. Because I thought, I still think that way. I'm like, someday I'll do that really cool thing. Like, I've always wanted to hike the Appalachian Trail. You know, that's a six-month thing. So I don't know how I'm going to just do that. But you know, when you, when you put that on your list, you got to figure out when am I going to do? How am I going to do it? Am I ever going to accomplish that? Otherwise, it'll just stay there. Another one that I really, I'm not very good at this. And this is something that is challenging for me. Joanne Johanna White said buy the shoes. Lesley Logan 13:14  You don't. You, I have to push you. I'm sitting over here almost buying a belt for a suitcase bag and you are like, I don't know, I've been in my car. Let me think about it. Three months later. I don't know. I'm like, those are never going on sale. They'll never do it. Just get the shoe.Brad Crowell 13:30  So yeah. You know, basically, whatever the thing is, that represents how you want to live your life and you know, that aspirational thing. It's time to put the money down and do it. You know, and I'm not very good at buying myself. Thanks. So, yeah, that's, I've just kind of always kept those things in the back of my mind. I mean, there's so many other amazing ones.Lesley Logan 13:53  I'm now wondering if we should do an episode of just like, Be It Action Items, like just take all all these Be It Action Items and just make episodes out of them because like, I feel like people need to re-hear them. Brad Crowell 14:05  Yeah, I mean, that'd be awesome. That's definitely something we should go back and and have a convo about. But, let's get to it. Let's talk about our guest, Mr. Gay Hendricks. So stick around. We'll be right back.Okay, now let's talk about Gay Hendricks. Gay Hendricks is a renowned author, psychologist and speaker known for his influential work in personal growth and relationships. He holds a PhD in counseling psychology and has authored over 50 books, including The Big Leap which explores overcoming personal limitations and achieving success. Also one of Lesley's favorite books. In his work, he emphasizes transforming one's perception of time, as discussed in his concept of Newtonian versus Einstein Time. Hendricks' teaching focuses on self-awareness, love and integration of body and mind therapies. He's also been married for 44 years, and he and his wife are both focused on similar things. And he was talking about how excited he was that he was able to work together. Lesley Logan 15:07  I know they are so precious, you guys have to follow them on Instagram. And they like do little lives together and like videos and she like, cook something and they're just so sweet and supportive. And they go, it's just wonderful. So they'll put a smile on your face always.Brad Crowell 15:22  Okay, first off, I just want to say, tell I ask, "When did you first find his book? And how many times have you listened to it now?" And tell us a story about bringing him on to the pod. Lesley Logan 15:34  I think I first heard about him in, I want to say it was in 2019, because I remember being driving the Tahoe on tour, listening to his book. Got it. So 2019 was when I was listening to the book the first time. I have listened to it seven times. It has been a book club book for Agency. We have, anytime someone's like, what's up? I'm like, that's the book.Brad Crowell 16:00  Yeah, I think we had, at one point we had a couple of copies of it here too. Lesley Logan 16:02  Yeah. They just keep getting given away. Which is fine. So it's the best and then how did I get him on the show? Okay. So I remember at the very beginning of this podcast, like I asked some big dream guests. I like I have like a lot of guts, I guess.Brad Crowell 16:18  Which we're talking more than 400 episodes ago. Lesley Logan 16:20  Yeah. Yeah. And he responded that nothing, no response. And I like DM-ed him and no response. And you know what's really funny? Here's the link, the podcast that I heard him on, I asked her, she didn't respond. A year later, I asked her she was like, I'm so in. And then for one year, her assistants dicked me around and canceled last minute, moved it around, and I, they're like, oh, we have to like reschedule again. I said, we're not rescheduling anymore. I'm withdrawing my invitation. And I was so disappointed because of just how she handled it just seemed like out of alignment with her values. But I was not done asking Gay I just needed like, I was likeBrad Crowell 16:59  So, with somebody else all together?Lesley Logan 17:01  Yes. Yeah. So Gay, it was like, I just I wasn't getting I wasn't going to the right avenue. I was like, maybe have to find his publisher, maybe I have to do this thing. So I just was really busy. And so occasionally, I would like tag his book and things and like, he wouldn't even respond to those. And that's not his fault. Like you guys. Like, that's not a slight against him. Most people don't respond when I tag them. So like, it's not a big deal. I don't respond when people tag me. So like, that wasn't a big deal. But Christmas of last year, I have been listening, you and I have been listening to like some sort of like self-help, like, thing with James Wedmore who's also a guest I will have on the show. And so I was listening to his like, seven days, or whatever it was. And I was like, I don't want to listen to any news. I want to stay in this positive mindset space. So I'm going to listen to Gay Hendricks' book again. And I was listening to it. And it was Christmas Day. And you were at your parents and I like was walking I like was being by myself in the hotel. And I got through like five chapters like in the morning. And so then I posted a selfie of myself saying I'm listening to this book, like the seventh time, if anyone knows how to get this man on the podcast, help a girl out. And he saw it. And he shared it. And he sent me the email of the person who gets on the pod. So timing is just everything guys, like, probably he was either busy writing a book or wasn't the one opening his DMs. I don't know, maybe he just never saw it because like, it's also the when the post that he made that day was the first one in months. So like it's just also possible and stories don't last more than 24 hours. So then like there's nothing to respond to. So at any rate, I think the timing was so perfect, because how cool he gets to be episode 400? Brad Crowell 18:38  Yeah, pretty, pretty rad. That is really amazing. Okay. Well, tell us about one thing he said that you loved.Lesley Logan 18:46  There was actually so many things. First, I didn't even know he wrote 51 books, you guys. I thought he had written the two that I love. So I'm like, wow, I should do some research. But he said most people don't know where their upper limit problems are located. They think it's problems are having externally rather than internally. But each of us has our own self-sabotage mechanism. And these start from childhood and they are the form of limiting beliefs.Brad Crowell 19:13  That was something very surprising to me. Like before you even realize that you're consciously compiling decision-making powers you're being imprinted by Lesley Logan 19:23  All the parents listening, you probably have, in all your best intentions, done some form of limiting Brad Crowell 19:29  You f* up your kids, god d* it. Lesley Logan 19:31  You f* them up. And you know, it's okay because your parents f* you up and you're all doing the best you can. And each generation you, hopefully f* them up a little bit less. But at any rate, like they're these limiting beliefs are things that we've, are ingrained. Like, you know, my mom was telling me some things that hurt like dad would say it and I'm like, oh my god, no wonder she doesn't think she can do X. He, like he, like the things he said were just who says it out loud?Brad Crowell 19:59  So I was listening, overheard that conversation.Lesley Logan 20:02  I mean, I'm just like, Oh my god. So. So I just think it's really, really I think what's cool about his book is it helps you understand your self-sabotage because you, you might not until you and he puts words to things that you're doing and actions you're taking. And you might not even be thinking that, like, I've told, I've told this story before, but my client who, whenever she would meet a guy she really, really liked to have an amazing date, she'd lose her voice for six months. You guys, this girl did not have a cold. Like, nothing happened to her. She just really liked this person. And then because she had, she would like self-sabotage by making herself lose her voice. So she couldn't possibly go on another date. And then she'd have to go through steroid treatments and all these things and like, vocal coaches, it was just crazy stuff. And I'm not saying like, you know, like, these are things we do. You know, we do this all the time when things go, well, we want vacation, we get sick. You know, so it's just very fascinating stuff. Um, that's just one of them. Self-reparations, another, there's a bunch. And I just thought they were so, so great. So his book really will help you understand all of them. He'll give you great examples. And I just, I'm fascinated. I'm fascinated by him. He also, you guys broke his femur. Brad Crowell 21:17  Oh, yeah, like recently. Lesley Logan 21:18  And he is doing just fine. Because he just looks at life with just so much curiosity and joy and excitement. He clearly lives in such a present place. I don't think the man is stressed out. I want to move to Ojai and do his routine.Brad Crowell 21:35  Well, I really was nerding out about this idea of Newton versus Einstein time. I know it's your favorite chapter in the book.Lesley Logan 21:42  But as I, you guys have to listen to the episode, because it wasn't always. Brad Crowell 21:47  It wasn't always but he, he also talked about it being one of his favorite chapters in the book. And he kind of explained a little bit about this. And I thought we should rehash this so we can kind of wrap our heads around it. Newton time, time is linear and mechanical. Lesley Logan 22:04  Or also known as Newtonian time. Brad Crowell 22:05  Newtonian time, it reflects a rigid, structured approach to time basically the way that we think of, I gotta be there, you know, I'm working from nine to five, okay, nine o'clock to five o'clock. So you're there, right? Period, that is Newtonian time. It is rigid, it has a structured approach. Whereas in Einstein, he said, time expands or contracts, depending on the quality of our experience. For example, what did you all just think when I said, nine to five? It's so long. But it's still just nine to five. It's the same nine to five. But our experience of having to be at the office from nine to five is like, ugh, right? So it feels like forever. I'm sure you've all had that experience, where you're like, whoa, what happened to today? It just went so fast. That is Einstein's approach to time, right? So he emphasized the importance of Lesley Logan 23:00  Well, Einstein's approach is that you could stretch, you can manipulate it. Like, it's not just that, like, the day goes so fast. It just is like, you can, in the book, he talks about how like, if you are constantly looking at your watch, I'm gonna be late, I'm gonna be late, I'm gonna be late, I'm, and you have no control over the train, and you have no control over these things. You are inevitably, what? Hitting every red light like Newtonian time, like when we stress out, like we hit all the red lights, and we're late, right? But when you just like sit back, relax, like James Wedmore talked about a story about how he was like doing a sales call. And it went long. And he looks at the clock, he's like, I'm never gonna make it to the airport. He was like, and he had to like return the rental car.Brad Crowell 23:38  I literally experienced that same story. Lesley Logan 23:40  And he was like, there's no other way but I'm gonna make this flight. And it's going to happen, and he just believed in it happening. And he eased in, he kept focusing on that. And he stretched time, you guys, he made it there it's not like the plane delayed, and that's why he made the flight. He just somehow made it there faster. Like everything opened up, all the doors opened up for it to be easier to get there. So that's Einstein time. Brad Crowell 24:04  I've had that same experience, like in the airport where we landed late, you know, from another flight. And then I had to go across the airport, which includes taking a tram. Right, and then I had to still go back through security. And yet somehow I made the flight. Lesley Logan 24:17  Yeah. Oh, I mean, I remember. Okay, so, Heathrow. I was on a plane and they were, the Heathrow Airport was making us circle the airport and the flight attendant came up, came up and she said, hey, they know you're here. You're checked in. But you're gonna need to run. And I was like, okay, no problem. You guys. I didn't just need to run, I had also take a bus and then run again. So the bus and I started doing little Newtonian time I started like checking the minutes. I just kept checking my watch because this bus was not coming like checking. I'm like, I'm not gonna make this fight. And then I was like, hold on. I have to make this fight. This flight is going to happen. And I was on the bus. And of course every plane is just wanting to drive in front of our bus and I see this girl and I, because everyone there is definitely going back to India and like, this is one blonde chick. And I was like, are you going to LA? And she said, yeah, I was like, (inaudible), like, we're gonna make this flight. We're making this flight. And we it's going to happen. And sure enough, you guys we ran, we had to go through security. But I was just like, we're making the flight, we're making this flight. And we, I don't know how we made that flight. But we made that flight. And they brought us wine and they gave us our own row. So it does work, you just have to believe in it.Brad Crowell 25:32  Well, so Einstein emphasized the importance of changing how we perceive time, encouraged noticing and altering complaints and limiting beliefs around time to start noticing when you're complaining about time, start noticing when you're complaining, or where you address other people about time. I guess when you were talking with Gay, one of the things he talked about was, "Oh, sorry. I don't have enough time for that conversation." Right? And that was the kind of approach that people are taking with Newtonian time as opposed to Einstein time. And he said, ultimately you own your time. And that's one of the things that Gay was talking about. You take responsibility for creating whatever way about time you want to create. But you have to do it in your own creative way. It's abstract. I'm not gonna lie. But, also, it's amazing that we've all probably inadvertently done this over the years.Lesley Logan 26:24  Oh, you guys, it feels like this random chapter should be its own book. And then it when you read the book again, and again, it makes more sense. When you listen to Gay and like why he put that in there, it will make more sense. So listen to the episode. And then also, like, just notice the intentionality of words. Like I don't have time for that meeting, as opposed to like, oh, I'm not able to commit to that right now. Do like one of those puts you in a more powerful place, and the other one puts you as a victim of your circumstances. Right? And so that can change how you perceive your abilities and your strengths. There's this one woman that I heard speak and she said, I never say, I can't afford that. Because that is telling the universe I don't have any money. That's telling me I don't have any money. She said, instead, I say, I'm not, I'm choosing not to spend money on that right now. And so it's just it's a different thing. And so, at the very least, just like, notice the power in your words, and your time, we've got control over it. It's kind of amazing. Brad Crowell 27:19  Well, speaking of time. Lesley Logan 27:21  We're taking too much. Brad Crowell 27:22  Stick around. We'll be right back. All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Gay Hendricks? He emphasized to get busy wondering about what your genius zone is. Now, I think the key is wondering, right, y'all to have this great conversation. Well, I wonder and you talked about your tattoo. But he said wondering is an underutilized human superpower. We, he said, we often we almost always go around looking for answers outside of ourselves, you know, very much like this podcast. But he said, what if you take a moment to look in internally, we're often asking gurus and teachers, but it's rare to actually just sit, set aside 10 seconds or 10 minutes, and then genuinely wonder about yourself, about it, the thing, whatever it is that you're working on, are focused on. And he said, here's a couple of key questions to ask, which I thought was really helpful. What do I most love to do? And what do I love to do that makes a contribution to other people? And I thought that was helpful because you know, what is wondering, right? What are we wondering about here? What are we actually trying to do? Lesley Logan 28:43  Yes. And in his book, his daily book, Your Big Leap Year, he has you do a lot of hmm.Brad Crowell 28:50  Oh, yeah?Lesley Logan 28:51  Yeah, humming, it actually does a thing in your brain that like opens up the wonder portals and then you say, hmm.Brad Crowell 29:01  Well, so remember, we're trying to find our zone of genius. So how do we get busy wondering about our zone of genius? So start by asking the questions what do I love? What do I most love to do? And then what do I most love to do that makes a contribution for other people and then give yourself time to actually wonder, be curious, think about it. Lesley Logan 29:22  And you could go hmm, what do I most love to do? What do I most love to do that makes a contribution other people?Brad Crowell 29:31  Hmm, what about you?Lesley Logan 29:32  Hmm, oh my gosh, okay, this was so great. This was just like I was eating this up. Our poor team, we didn't even stop for him to, we just went right into this. I was like, good luck guys getting those be it action items in there. Creativity is anything that has the capacity to surprise you. I'm like I just love it surprise you like we never get surprised anymore. No one wants to be surprised anymore. I don't.Brad Crowell 29:55  I do. Lesley Logan 29:55  Like you love it? Brad Crowell 29:56  Yeah, I like surprises. Lesley Logan 29:57  I get so nervous. So like I'm trying really hard. But he says make a commitment to getting more creative every day and opening up more of your genius, which starts with a commitment. So you have to start somewhere by making a stand and the more heartfelt you make your commitment, the faster it will manifest. So he advised you to get your head and your heart in alignment and working together because that gives you an unstoppable power to bring forth the things that are most important to you. Creativity is anything that has the capacity to surprise you. So a Be It Action Item is like, how could you be more creative in your day? What is something you could do? Could you, "Hmmmm, I wonder." Like going back to episode, how fun is this, episode one was all about going how does it get any better than this? Brad Crowell 30:43  How does it? Lesley Logan 30:44  Like that could be your ability to open. Brad Crowell 30:46  101, we're back to it. Lesley Logan 30:48  Yeah, the capacity to surprise you. So and I really liked this because you know, The Artist's Way is very big on like getting creative every day like journaling. So creativity can be just like Morning Pages, it can be taking a different route to work in the morning. And maybe you get creative with your outfits every day. Some of us like have a whole closet full of clothes, we don't wear like there's so many different ways you can get creative. Maybe you get creative with your lunches that you make for yourself, or the coffee that you, that you make, you know, maybe like, there's just so many different ways you can, you can be creative. So I love that. I love I just love this episode, and I'm just so happy. It's out into the world and it's in your ears. Please share it with as many people as possible. If you don't have to share this one you can share that interview one but like, please, please, please leave a review. And we're at episode 400. And you know, what I would love? It would mean the world to me, is by episode 500 that we will have you know, grown our audience like, times two. And that happens if every listener, if every single one of you shares with a friend who listens, boom, doubled. That's how it goes. It's that easy. You don't have to share with 10 people, one person. Brad Crowell 31:56  One person.Lesley Logan 31:57  So and you know what, you can get creative with it. And you can combine.Brad Crowell 32:01  You can wonder. Lesley Logan 32:02  You can wonder, hmm. Brad Crowell 32:03  How are we going to do this? Lesley Logan 32:04  I wonder who needs to hear this episode? Gay Hendricks if you're listening, holy moly. You changed my life. You have no idea. I'm so grateful for you. Everyone, how are you gonna use these tips in your life? Let us know. Make sure that you share your wins with us so we can (inaudible) them on our Fuck Yeah Friday episodes and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 32:23  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 32:25  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 33:08  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 33:13  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co. Brad Crowell 33:17  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi. Lesley Logan 33:24  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals. Brad Crowell 33:28  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time. Transcribed by https://otter.aiSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Join us for a conversation with Jeff from the CERN Teacher Training Program. We explore the evolving landscape of science education. We'll discuss the interplay between innovative teaching methodologies and the integration of Artificial Intelligence, examining both the challenges and opportunities AI presents in enhancing student engagement and addressing the critical issue of the gender gap in STEM fields. Learn how CERN's teacher and student programs are supporting schools worldwide, shaping a future where education seamlessly integrates with innovation. CERN, the world's largest particle physics laboratory, welcomes over 10,000 scientists from more than 100 countries each year to utilize its facilities, which boast some of the most sophisticated and complex scientific instruments ever developed.   About Jeff Wiener    Jeff Wiener is a staff scientist at CERN, the European Laboratory for Particle Physics, managing all national and international teacher programmes that are flagship education programmes of CERN's International Relations Sector.   Jeff received his PhD in physics from the University of Vienna and holds an Executive Master in International Relations degree from the Geneva School of Diplomacy. He is currently pursuing an Executive Certificate in Public Policy at Harvard Kennedy School.    In the past, Jeff worked as a high-school physics, philosophy, and psychology teacher in Vienna, Austria and he frequently volunteered at an orphanage in Siem Reap, Cambodia.   Jeff Wiener on Social Media   LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drjeffwiener Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrJeffWiener     Resources   CERN Teacher Programmes: https://teachers.cern CERN Physics Education Research: https://cern.ch/PER CERN Educational Resources: https://cern.ch/educational-resources  International Masterclasses: https://physicsmasterclasses.org   John Mikton on Social Media LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jmikton/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/jmikton Web: beyonddigital.org   Dan Taylor on social media: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/appsevents  Twitter: https://twitter.com/appdkt  Web: www.appsevents.com   Listen on: iTunes / Podbean / Stitcher / Spotify / YouTube   Would you like to have a free 1 month trial of the new Google Workspace Plus (formerly G Suite Enterprise for Education)? Just fill out this form and we'll get you set up bit.ly/GSEFE-Trial

Angkor Wat es el templo más famoso y emblemático de Camboya, situado en la provincia de Siem Reap. Este parque es un sitio del Patrimonio Mundial de la UNESCO desde 1992, lo he visitado en 3 ocasiones y recomiendo al menos 3 días para disfrutarlo. Sabes, este podcast es gratis porque creo que compartir es vivir. Pero esto no sería posible sin ti, así que gracias por escuchar. Aquí tienes toda la info del viaje a Islandia, cualquier duda me dices. Solamente seremos 12 personas. Es un viajazo, la verdad. Salimos el 1 de diciembre en busca de auroras boreales. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EpZgIRfQDfpWVzrXt74xBz_uy-04j1J2/view?usp=sharing Y este es el increíble viaje a Tanzania. 10 días inolvidables a comienzos de noviembre. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oyepGRsFEfwS20rq-57TCz-1ekKeMW1b/view?usp=drivesdk también máximo 12 personas.  Pregúntame lo que necesites.  En estas semanas estoy comenzando un curso de inglés de entre todos los que me han propuesto, te dejo por aquí el link.  https://conneighting.8belts.com/aprender-af/?a_aid=cemasar&a_bid=8c43a338 Pero además puedes dejarme un nota de audio de hasta un minuto haciendo clic en este link. https://anchor.fm/cesar-sar/message Otra manera de hacerlo es enviarme una nota de voz de hasta 1 minuto por mi cuenta de Instagram o Facebook.  Y ya lo más de lo más sería que me dieras 5 estrellas y dejases una reseña, 30 segundos para tí, una gran ayuda para mí.  Si quieres contarme algo puedes escribirme a viajes@cesarsar.com  Si quieres contratar mis servicios como viajero consultor es el mismo email, pongo a tu servicio mi experiencia por 135 países en todos los continentes, y es que 3 vueltas al mundo dan para mucho. Puedo ayudarte a organizar tu próximo viajazo, para que aciertes, para que disfrutes, para que vivas, para que sueñes, porque pocas cosas dan tanta satisfacción como un buen viaje. Además podemos compartir redes: https://www.facebook.com/CesarSar/ https://www.instagram.com/sarworldpress/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC55ZMnqfOlSc7uWbIEM4bDw Y si te gusta la serie y quieres ayudar más, puedes dejar otro comentario en esta publicación de BuenViaje en IG https://www.instagram.com/p/CrKqoyzubKZ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Un abrazo, compartir es vivir.  #Viajes #ViajesBarartos #Viajes #Viajessostenibles #Consejosdeviajes #Viajesfelices #Podcastdeviajes #Vueltaalmundo #Angkor #SiemReap #Camboya #Cambodia

In this episode of "Sleepless in Singapore," I take you to the bustling streets of Ho Chi Minh City. My journey begins with a near-miss on a scooter taxi, a thrilling initiation into the city's chaotic traffic. At my hostel, I join a communal dinner, savoring spring rolls and beer with fellow travelers, creating memories that would draw me back years later. My exploration includes a visit to the Cu Chi tunnels, a labyrinthine network that once sheltered and supplied soldiers during the war. Crawling through these narrow, dark tunnels, I feel a mix of claustrophobia and fascination, a stark contrast to the amusement park-like atmosphere of the site. Next, I venture into Cambodia, landing in Siem Reap with the majestic Angkor Wat on my itinerary. After a serendipitous encounter with Fortunata via Couchsurfing, we meet a local taxi driver who takes us to an unexpected yet delightful restaurant experience. Despite initial skepticism, the evening turns out to be a culinary adventure, complete with impeccable service and unbelievably low prices. The following day, Angkor Wat's grandeur leaves me in awe, and a chance meeting with Hama, who would later invite me to Singapore, marks the beginning of a life-changing encounter.

With a 5.0 TripAdvisor rating, Phare, the Cambodian Circus based in Siem Reap, must be doing something right.  We speak to Craig Dodge, their Senior Director of Sales and Marketing, about the journey this social enterprise has taken from humble beginnings in Battambang to shows in New York City. Along the way, we talk Cambodia's tourism recovery and the pull between positioning it as a mono destination vs part of a multi-country Southeast Asian itinerary. Lastly, we finish off with why Craig is such an advocate for Cambodian attractions and tour operators to get online. 

Deborah Saunders, an Australian expatriate, found her haven in Siem Reap, Cambodia, 17 years ago. Enthralled by its captivating temples, warm community, rich history, and stunning landscapes, she now proudly calls it home. Deborah highlights Siem Reap's affordability, stating that with just $800 a month, one can lead what she describes as a "glorious life" in this remarkable city.   Subscribe to our Youtube Community here: https://www.youtube.com/@adventurefreaksss Explore more on our website: adventurefreaksss.com.  

- Lễ hội sông Campuchia lần thứ VIII với chủ đề “Dòng sông vì hòa bình và sự phát triển” đã chính thức khai mạc tối nay (16/03) tại tỉnh Siem Reap nhằm quảng bá và giới thiệu hình ảnh đất nước và con người đất nước Chùa Tháp đến với du khách trong và ngoài nước. Chủ đề : Campuchia, Siem Reap --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/vov1tintuc/support

In episode 12 of the Global Travel Planning Podcast, Tracy and Doug share their incredible experiences with LikeLocal in Vietnam and Cambodia. They talk about their three unique opportunities to immerse themselves in the local culture, including a visit to a local family in Ho Chi Minh City, a weaving experience in Siem Reap, and attending a wedding celebration in a Cambodian village. Through their storytelling, Tracy and Doug highlight the enriching and privileged moments they had through these experiences and emphasize the importance of connecting with locals while travelling. Stay tuned as they delve into their personal encounters, the delicious food, the warm hospitality, and the unforgettable memories made during their travels.

Today my guest is Beth McIntyre, a Community Director for Bevy and CMX, joke lover, travel writer, as Blake Ethridge once said, a lightning bolt of energy, passion, business focus, and creativity, and a person who impacted my professional life very much because of hiring me for conducting an audit for the CMX community without even knowing me well!

Siem Reap, Cambodia     I've returned from a 90-day trip around the globe to every time zone on the planet. My mission is world peace through cultural exchange.   In this episode, the FAQ is: How can I stay hydrated when it's humid and hot? . Today's Destination is Siem Reap, Cambodia Today's Mistake- Taking the long way instead of a more direct flight. Travel Advice: Practice Google Maps on foot before you leave on your trip   FAQ: How can I stay hydrated?   From my personal experience, I needed help with this in Southeast Asia. The climate was so different from Southern California, where I live. I had to adjust my body to these climate conditions. I had to be very aware of my intake of liquids and not drink much if any, caffeine. I am not a medical doctor, but here's what I learned. Rest during the day. Swim if you can. Keep your body cool and do it early in the morning if you must go out. I had to respect my kidneys as they filtered all of this water. I had to monitor the color of my urine to try to keep it clear in color.   Today's destination: Siem Reap, Cambodia   Siem Reap, a resort town in northwestern Cambodia, is the gateway to the ruins of Angkor, the seat of the Khmer kingdom from the 9th–15th centuries. Angkor's vast complex of intricate stone buildings includes preserved Angkor Wat, the main temple pictured on Cambodia's flag. Giant, mysterious faces are carved into the Bayon Temple at Angkor Thom.   The capital is Phnom Penh. Listen for the earlier episode on that city.   I arrived by bus and immediately rode to the Backpacker's Chill Hostel. My tuk-tuk driver was named Nuk, and he was reliable. He brought me to all of the places I needed to see. Ask for him if you go there because he could use the business. What are some of the things that I did? The first was the temple, Angkor Wat. I went at sunrise, meaning I had to get the ticket first. So, he knew where to get the ticket and how to navigate the complicated process, making it easy. Then we drove to the temples, which will take a full day. It's so hot, you should go early. It was raining, but still very humid. Bring an umbrella for the sun. Limit your outdoor activities besides swimming.   Angkor Wat reminded me of Disney in some ways, but this was REAL. It was from 1000 years ago. The temple is huge and not crowded like Disneyland. https://pharecircus.org/       Cambodian Food: 10 Traditional Dishes You Should Taste, even if you are not a foodie…. ●               Amok (Coconut fish curry) ... ●               Kuy teav (Noodle soup) ... ●               Nom Banh Chok (Khmer noodles) ... ●               Samlar machu (Sour soup) ... ●               Kampot Pepper Crab. ... ●               Lap Khmer (Beef salad) ... ●               Pleah sach ko (Beef ceviche) ... ●               Samlar kari (Chicken curry)   Today's Mistake- Taking the long way instead of a more direct flight.     Today's Travel Advice-Practice Google Maps on foot before you leave on your trip     I want to bring meaning to your travels. Send a question or travel tip to info@drmarytravelbest.com. Sign up for the mailing list here. We can connect on my website, Facebook page, group, or Instagram. Subscribe to YouTube, Twitter, or other social channels. Find the 5 Steps to Solo Travel series on Amazon. The show notes have more details for you to connect. Support this podcast with a review, please.   Connect with Dr Travelbest Drmarytravelbest.com Dr. Mary Travelbest Twitter Dr. Mary Travelbest Facebook Page Dr. Mary Travelbest Facebook Group Dr. Mary Travelbest Instagram email: info@drmarytravelbest.com Dr. Mary Travelbest Podcast Dr. Travelbest on TikTok Dr.Travelbest onYouTube

Phnom Penh, Cambodia     I've been on a 90-day trip to every time zone around the globe. My mission is world peace through cultural exchange. I was sustainable when I could by using local transportation, buses, and trains. I was solo, carrying a small backpack, called a “personal item,” that fit under the seat in front of me on a plane.   In this episode, the FAQ is: Should I bring earplugs on my trip? . Today's Destination is Phnom Penh, Cambodia Today's Mistake- I left my phone at the bus office. Travel Advice: Keep a pen handy   FAQ: Should I bring earplugs on my trip?   Yes. You can first step away from the noise, turn the volume down, or try these tips to save your hearing. Noise-canceling headphones may be preferred, but you can use earplugs if traveling light. Do they work well? They are better than nothing. Here are three steps to using foam earplugs: Roll, pull, and hold. Roll them to fit your ear, pull back your ear, and then insert them until they fit comfortably. The show notes have tips to help you out.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM3R_1JceWo     Today's destination: Phnom Penh, Cambodia   …..before you go, read up on the region's history and try to understand the heartbreaking things that happened in this country. The country went through some tough years in the last century. They are a comparatively less developed country, but the people have hope for the future. Phnom Penh, Cambodia's capital, meets at the junction of the Mekong and Tonlé Sap rivers. Historically, it became a trading hub for the Khmer Empire and French colonialists. Listen to the Siem Reap podcast if you can later on.   I flew here from Ho Chi Minh City, but taking a bus and a lot cheaper would have been easy. Cambodia Angkor Airlines is reputed to have the best safety standards in the country, although I noticed that my plane was very seasoned. It was a much older model.   https://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-guides/cambodia-travel-tips/phnom-penh/   US citizens need to apply for a Cambodia visa. Cambodia e-visa cost: The Total fee is USD 36, and the E-visa processing time takes 2 - 5 business days. I had to change the date of birth on my visa application, as it was incorrect, which was easy to accomplish. Between when I first submitted it and it printed out, the date got switched, so I fixed it ahead of time. Rice (bai) is the most essential food in the country, and more than 2,000 species once grew in Cambodia. There's hardly a dish that does not contain rice, including noodles made from rice, desserts, cakes, and alcoholic beverages, and no Khmer meal is complete without boiled rice.   Although Cambodia's official currency is the Riel, the US Dollar is used in most transactions, so I recommend taking some US Dollars in cash (with some small denomination notes).   The city's walkable riverfront is lined with parks, restaurants, and bars, including the ornate Royal Palace, Silver Pagoda, and the National Museum, displaying artifacts from around the country. At the city's heart is the Art Deco Central Market. I did a lot of mid-day walking along the river at Sisowath Quay, the most popular downtown promenade. There were few people there mid-day. It is scenic; you can see boats on the Tonle Sap River and look across a beautiful vista. Walk here between the Royal Palace and Wat Phnom.   My hotel in Phnom Penh was across the street from the Independence Monument and near the Cambodia Friendship Monument. They called it the Monument District. At night, the locals, by the hundreds, walked in a counterclockwise direction around the park to get some fresh air and exercise. It was a social experience, too. Families and singles all gathered here. I was part of the walk since I had been too hot to walk much during the day's heat.   The Independence Monument in Phnom Penh was built in 1958 to memorialize Cambodia's independence from France in 1953. It stands on a roundabout at the intersection of Norodom Boulevard and Sihanouk Boulevard in the city's center.   https://www.planetware.com/cambodia/phnom-penh-cam-1-2.htm   In the Khmer Rouge's Security Prison S-21, it was here that some of the regime's worst torture atrocities were carried out. More than 17,000 people passed through these gates between 1975 and 1978, accused of betraying the revolution in some way. The Tuol Sleng Museum was where prisoners were housed, a former school. You can see photographs of what happened here. You can walk through the prison rooms, formerly classrooms. It's two stories, with offices and rooms with evidence of those killed. The detailed notes and photographs remain along with some of the remnants of furniture and statues of those who died. I took a tuk-tuk to visit this sad place at Street 113, Phnom Penh. I was unhappy but hopeful for a better future when I left here. Today's Mistake- I left my phone at the bus office.   While waiting for the bus, I entered the station and met the people working for the bus tour company. I had about an hour to wait, so I said hi and then sat down to relax from the sun. What I forgot at the desk was my phone. About ten minutes later, the driver arrived and said it was time to board the bus. In my rush, I left my phone on the desk. We started down the road, and then I remembered, so I told the tour guide I needed to get out. He said he would call and make sure they had it, and we would soon go back for it after we dropped someone at the hospital. I thought that was strange, but that's precisely what happened. That was my second time leaving my phone behind on this trip. I was learning a lesson again. Not to leave my phone anywhere. Don't be like me. I was lucky. You may not be so fortunate.   Today's Travel Advice-Keep a pen handy   In today's world of digital technology, one thing you will still need is a pen. There will be a time you need to write down something to remember. It could be a code, a phone number, or a key phrase. Keep something to write with nearby.     I want to bring meaning to your travels. Send a question or travel tip to info@drmarytravelbest.com. Sign up for the mailing list here. We can connect on my website, Facebook page, group, or Instagram. 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------------------------------- 強化英語課程資訊 ------------------------------- 「社會人核心英語」有聲書課程連結：https://15minsengcafe.pse.is/554esm ------------------------------- 15Mins.Today 相關連結 ------------------------------- 歡迎針對這一集留言你的想法： 留言連結 官方網站：www.15mins.today 加入Clubhouse直播室：https://15minsengcafe.pse.is/46hm8k 訂閱YouTube頻道：https://15minsengcafe.pse.is/3rhuuy 主題投稿/意見回覆 : ask15mins@gmail.com 商業合作/贊助來信：15minstoday@gmail.com ------------------------------- 以下有參考文字稿～ 各播放器有不同字數限制，完整文稿可到官網搜尋 ------------------------------- Topic: Cambodia to ban elephant rides at Angkor Wat temples 柬埔寨的世界文化遺產吳哥窟每年都吸引數百萬國內外觀光客造訪，其中許多很多遊客會選擇騎大象遊覽園區，這項服務多年來一直招受批評，批評者認為利用動物大賺觀光財是相當殘酷也不人道的。面對一波波討伐聲浪，負責管理園區的吳哥暨暹羅地區保護管理局（Aspar Authority）上週五宣布，將在明年初起全面禁止吳哥窟園區騎大象遊園的服務。 Cambodia will ban elephant rides at Angkor Wat temples by early next year in response to pressure from animal groups, a spokesperson of the Aspar Authority said last week. The Angkor Wat temple complex attracts millions of tourists each year. In 2018 for instance, the number of tourists topped six million, and many of them enjoyed elephant rides around the temples, according to Agence France-Presse (AFP). Against this backdrop, animal rights groups have expressed concerns at the risk of mistreating animals. 美聯社報導，三年前，一頭在吳哥窟工作的母象，因為不堪在酷暑中長時間工作而導致心臟衰竭，最終死亡。母象的死亡在社交媒體上引起輿論撻伐，民眾更在網站change.org聯署請願管理局停止大象騎乘服務。 The death of a female elephant in 2016 of heart failure after working in extremely hot weather triggered outrage on social media. A petition was launched on change.org to ask the Aspar Authority to cease elephant riding in archeological sites, according to Associated Press. 面對群眾壓力，吳哥窟園區也在今年做出回應，承諾讓14頭在吳哥窟服務的大象在2020年全數除役。 Three years after the elephant's death, Aspar Authority promised to stop the services and release all 14 elephants into their natural habitat by early 2020. 管理局發言人Long Kosal向法新社說道：「利用大象來營利是不適當的。」並強調許多大象都已經相當年邁。 The authority's spokesperson, Long Kosal, told the AFP that “using elephants for business is not appropriate anymore,” adding that the elephants are already old. Long Kosal指出，14頭在吳哥窟服務的大象中，已經有五頭被轉移到附近的保育森林，「他們會在那裡過著自然的生活」Long Kosal說道，並表示擁有這些大象的公司會持續照養牠們。 Long Kosal said five of the 14 elephants had been transported to nearby community forests. “They will live out their natural lives there,” Long Kosal told the AFP, adding that the company owning these elephants will keep looking after them. 柬埔寨媒體The Phnom Penh Post報導，Long Kosal表示，儘管園區內不會再有大象騎乘服務，遊客仍然可以到附近的保育區與大象近距離接觸並拍照。 Long Kosal added that the Aspar Authority aims to stop elephant riding in the park, but tourists can still visit their protected habitat to get a close look and take a photo with the elephants, according to The Phnom Penh Post. Source article: https://chinapost.nownews.com/20191118-859822 Next Article Topic: Dozens of casino workers flee Cambodia by swimming to Vietnam Dozens of Vietnamese casino workers allegedly forced to toil without pay in Cambodia have fled back to their homeland by swimming across a river, authorities in Phnom Penh said Friday. 金邊政府週五表示，數十名據稱被迫在柬埔寨賭場無薪工作的越南員工，游泳渡河逃回家鄉。 About 40 staff with the Golden Phoenix Entertainment Casino in Kandal province － which neighbours Vietnam － fought off security guards to escape, leaving one missing after being swept away by the current, Vietnamese state media reported. 越南國營媒體報導，毗鄰越南的柬國甘丹省金鳳娛樂城賭場約40名員工擊退守衛逃走，1人在渡河時被水流沖走失蹤。 "These people might have been here working illegally," Cambodian Interior Minister Sar Kheng told reporters. 柬國內政部長紹肯向記者說，「這些人或許是在這非法打工」。 "They were promised salaries, but they did not get what they were promised... They crossed back to Vietnam because they could not reach a deal. They fled the place." 「他們獲得承諾有薪水，但實際上沒有拿到…因為無法達成協議，就逃離這裡，渡河回去越南。」 He said Cambodian police had detained a casino manager and were investigating the incident. 他說，柬國警方已經拘押一名賭場經理，正在調查此事。 Next Article Topic: Cambodia to ban elephant rides at Angkor Wat 柬埔寨禁止在吳哥窟騎大象 Following pressure from animal activist groups, Apsara, the management authority for the Angkor Archaeological Park in Siem Reap, Cambodia announced in June 2019 it would ban elephant rides in early 2020. 在許多動物活動組織的施壓下，負責管理吳哥遺址的暹粒地區「阿帕薩拉」保護管理局2019年6月表示，他們將從2020年初起禁止大象騎乘。 Local outlet the Khmer Times reports that on November 15, two of the 14 elephants currently at the park, have been relocated to the nearby Bos Thom community forest. An Apsara press representative told the Khmer Times that the remaining dozen animals would be relocated to the same forest by "early next year." 本地媒體「高棉時報」11月15日報導，該園區的14隻大象中，有2隻被重新安置在附近的「Bos Thom」社區森林。1名「阿帕薩拉」的發言人告訴「高棉時報」，剩下的12隻會在明年初被安置到同座森林。 In 2016, an elephant named Sambo died at Angkor, drawing worldwide attention. Her death was blamed on a combination of heat stroke and exhaustion from ferrying so many human beings around. 2016年，1隻名為珊寶的大象死在吳哥窟，引起了全世界的矚目。牠的死因被歸咎於因為載運了太多人而導致的中暑與過度勞累。 Two years later, the World Wildlife Fund published an in-depth look at the dwindling populations of the Asian elephant, noting that the species' population had declined by 50% in just three generations. 兩年後，世界自然基金會發布關於亞洲大象數量減少的深入調查，發現該物種現今的數量比3代之前少了50%。Source article: https://features.ltn.com.tw/english/article/paper/1539968 ; https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/world/paper/1334758

Brad and Lesley revisit an enlightening conversation with Rebecca Zung, a leading authority on narcissism negotiation. Delve deep into the complexities of interacting with narcissistic personalities, the significance of self-worth, and the necessity of boundary-setting. Listen now for actionable strategies to handle narcissists and reclaim your autonomy.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:The underlying drivers of narcissistic behavior and how to recognize them.Effective strategies to end toxic narcissistic relationships and reclaim your life.Actionable steps to navigate and protect yourself from narcissistic manipulation.Empowering methods to establish and enforce healthy boundaries with narcissists.Proven tactics to shift from a defensive stance to an empowered offense for personal freedomEpisode References/Links:Andrea Maida's YouTube ChannelPreorder Rebecca Zung's Book: Slay the BullyCambodia Pilates RetreatJoin our email list!Profitable Pilates book by Lesley Logan  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Join us at our Cambodia Retreat - Oct. 8-13, 2023Get your free Athletic Greens 1 year supply of Vitamin D3+K2 and 5 free travel packsGet your discount for some Toe Sox using the code: LESLEYBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  There's nothing wrong with you. Everything about you is why they attach themselves to you. So you just need to really recognize the signs of when a narcissist is coming your way.Lesley Logan 0:03  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:16  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It Interview Recap. My co-host, Brad and I are going to dig into the actionable convo I had with Rebecca Zung in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one now, you must, because you need to. Go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. You can also listen to this first and then go listen to that. But y'all this is one of the guests that was on my like I want on my show. When we first started this podcast, I heard her on To the People Podcast. And I had her on my list (Brad: that was on the wish list). And then do you all remember when I had that girls' weekend? I think I talked about this on the podcast. I don't think she know how this worked out. I was on a girls' weekend and with those girls, I just met on the internet and I said come out to Vegas and we had like a girls' weekend. And she's like one of the girls like well, what do you need? How can I support you? And I was like I want Rebecca Zung on my podcast not thinking she knew her. And she goes, oh, shoot she's my friend. And I was like, what? You should go and text her. She literally texted her at the bar and Rebecca Zung said, I'm wrapping up my book. So reach out to me after September 1. And Carrie said would you prefer email or text? And she said email. So literally after like September 1, Carrie was like, and she's one of our recent guests. She said, hey, Rebecca, she said, this is Lesley (inaudible) and now she's on my podcast and yeah, crazy right? The interview was a while back, but she requested that it came out during her book launch, which you can go get her books (Brad: Which is pretty much now.) Pretty much now. So anyways, today is September 28, 2023. It is Remember Me Thursday. The purpose of today is to share the importance of pet adoption and shedding light on all orphan pets, waiting in shelters and rescues. Oh my god. (Brad: Yeah) I torture myself because I do look at the Nevada SPCA. (Brad: Yes, you do.) I know. I just I do and I like watch their videos. But I reallyBrad Crowell 3:15  I was I was like, on offensive of getting that red nose. He was fucking cute. (Lesley: So cute.) He's a good dog. Oh my god. But four dogs and two humans in a van. (Lesley: No, no) It's too much.Lesley Logan 3:29  We promised ourselves we would try out two dogs. (Brad: Oh) I'm sure it won't stay that way. Because now three is too many. But you know, here we are. But at any rate, if you cannot adopt if you live in a place where you cannot adopt, you cannot foster which by the way you can be someone who fosters if you like I travel a lot, you can actually be a foster. And you can tell a shelter or charity like I can foster for these two weeks. (Brad: Right) You know, and then I'm going to be gone. And like youBrad Crowell 3:58  or even if you're not allowed, like let's say you live in an apartment and you can't have a pet. You can actually volunteer to just walk the dogs. (Lesley: You can walk the dogs.) I used to do that. Just drive down a mile down the street. There was a couple of shelters and they always needed help walking dogs.Lesley Logan 4:14  Oh, yeah. We used to walk the shelter dogs when they were at the vet. That's right. Yeah. Anyways, it's I promise you like, especially if you're lonely, especially if you're going through a lot. There's something really special about like, just taking a dog who has no family for a walk. Yeah, it really does fill your soul. They're so loving and they just want to be loved. So anyways, the other thing is you can donate like find a charity that you can donate to because your money will help them help dogs get rescued and also help them get placed. Shout out to we listened to a podcast Keith Olbermann and every single night he actually talks about a dog in need. Yeah, and everything. Most of the dogs I would probably I'm not like a small dog person. But like I I love how he highlights them and so he can't adopt them. Also, I don't know maybe we should just like it's Little hard for us because our podcast comes out. You know, it's we don't get to record same day. We don't have the luxury of being Keith. But um, I do want to figure out how to like, I just keep going adopt this dog people.Brad Crowell 5:11  Yeah.Lesley Logan 5:12  So go do that this week. You may have caught that I was going live with Andrea Maida on YouTube (Brad: Over the past two weeks.) Yeah, yeah, it's happening. So Andrea Maida and I are dear friends, and we used to do a YouTube series together, couples struggle is real. And then we did tequila, tequila talks. And then Lesley Logan 5:28  (Inaudible) Pilates and tequila, y'all.Lesley Logan 5:36  We just answered Pilates. We didn't do Pilates and drink tequila. We drink [tequila] and answered your question. Yeah. And YouTube recently allowed different YouTube YouTubers to go live together. So we did one on my, my channel, one on her channel, and we're answering your questions. And so check them out. You can find them on my YouTube channel, which is youtube.com/@onlinepilatesclasses. Yes, you need the @ symbol. I think it's weird, but you know, it's Google. They know what they're doing. And then I believe Andrea is the same youtube.com/@pilatesandrea yes, you need the @ symbol babe. He's nodding because I'm correct. If you're watching on YouTube.Lesley Logan 5:39  She's totally right. Yeah, I'm impressed.Lesley Logan 6:23  Yeah. So anyways, you can just go slashonlinepilatesclasses. It doesn't work, you have to use the @ symbol. Brad Crowell 6:27  Yeah, hers is not @Andrea Maida. (Lesley: No. It's PilatesAndrea.) Oh, PilatesAndrea Yeah. Yes, that's what it is.Lesley Logan 6:37  I know. (Brad: Subscribe) Links will be in the show notes and you should like and subscribe both Ding, ding. That's what the bell does. Ding, ding. So all that'll be in the show notes. And then we are really even much closer to getting on a plane and going to Cambodia for our retreat.Brad Crowell 6:55  I am so fired up like, I can't wait. Lesley Logan 6:57  Also because we have a couple like after the retreat ends, one of our retreaters are staying longer. And and the next retreat that's starting up doesn't really happen until that Sunday. And so I want to go to Kulen to the elephant thing. Brad Crowell 7:10  Yeah. Well, I don't know how we didn't know this. But there's an elephant sanctuary about an hour and a half outside the city. That the only one I knew about before was like 12 hours drive away. And I was like, well, that's complicated. (Lesley: That's not happening.) We never really even tried to plan that. But I just found out this one, just north of a Siem Reap. And it turns out our amazing tour guide Peach, she literally knows the people who run it. (Lesley: Of course, she does.) She goes there often. So you know. Lesley Logan 7:37  Yeah, so we're gonna we're gonna make that happen. I hope my fingers are crossed. (Brad: I'm very excited about that idea.) No, no. Does that mean we can also go to the waterfall?Brad Crowell 7:44  Yeah, well, maybe we're there. Why not? It'll be Saturday.Lesley Logan 7:48  So that is stuff that we do. Obviously, that doesn't always happen on the retreat. That's something we're doing after the retreat. But like, if you stay after the retreat, you know, and we're there, there's adventures to do. In fact, we don't have to be there. You can go to adventures and stay at our place. So it's super fun. Brad Crowell 8:04  We do Airbnb that out when we're not there with with retreaters. So yeah.Lesley Logan 8:10  Lesleylogan.co/retreat.Brad Crowell 8:11  Yeah. And if you are looking for a spot to take your retreat to, we do all the logistics, and we have the whole thing set up where you can effectively take your group, we'll handle all the legwork, and you can teach them your thing and then effectively run the program that we've created with the food and the touring and the experience and the the hotels and all the things you know all of it. So.Lesley Logan 8:34  Yeah. And then November fourth and fifth I'm in Chicago with Erika Quest teaching a week of Pilates workshops. We were so excited to team up again. We'll also actually be doing that in December. That's gonna be a fun trip. Oh, I'm gonna have less oh, you might not know this. I'm staying later. (Brad: Come on.) I am. So it ends on Sunday.Brad Crowell 8:53  I'll handle the dogs, babe. I got this.Lesley Logan 8:55  I'm staying with Peter. Peter Spinelli is gonna meet me in Chicago and we're gonna do a couple days.Brad Crowell 9:01  Breaking news. Breaking news, everyone. Internal family news here.Lesley Logan 9:06  And when I come back, I'm gonna go to Arizona. Brad Crowell 9:09  What? What do you mean? Where? Where are you going? Lesley Logan 9:12  Oh, I use those points to get like an incredible hotel. My mom is coming out to visit.Brad Crowell 9:18  I knew this. (Lesley: You knew this part.) I knew that part, but I didn't realize that it was right after Chicago.Lesley Logan 9:23  I'll be. I'll be home for 24 hours. Brad Crowell 9:26  Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. I'll just keep watching the dogs. Yeah, I got this. Lesley Logan 9:28  Yeah, you do. This is payback for that month you were in Cambodia. I get one week. Anyways. But the things you can attend of that entire conversation is November fourth and fifth in Chicago. With Erika Quest, you'll need to make sure you're on our email list to get that information because I don't have a link right now.Brad Crowell 9:46  Go to opc.me/emails Lesley Logan 9:49  Yep. And you want to do that same thing to understand what's going to happen with our winter tour because our winter tour we go from Las Vegas to Philly area (Brad: Yeah) and back which means lots of citiesBrad Crowell 10:00  There are so many. And honestly, this is going to be way different than our previous tours. I think there's going to be a handful more locations, we're going to be teaching workshops instead of just classes, this time around. We're going to be bringing the decks with us. So and that's, you know, we're we are already sponsored by Balanced Body for this leg of the for this tour. And we got a bunch of other companies that we're talking with right now. So it's going to be an amazing experience. We cannot wait to announce the cities. Yeah. And we'll be doing all that at the end of or close to the end of this. Probably right around when this is coming out, actually is when we're going to be publicly announcing that so.Lesley Logan 10:42  Yes, we want to be on those emails. Yeah. (Brad: Do it. Do it. Do it.) Because they're all limited spaces. Yeah. Okay. Before we get into Rebecca Zung's incredible advice do we have an audience question?Brad Crowell 10:52  Yeah, we do. This one was awesome. We got a YouTube question from @WayneFurquharson9007Brad Crowell 10:57  The way you said that it makes you think that they found a new way to say fuck you.Brad Crowell 11:07  I know. I'm not sure I don't think that (Lesley: It is Furquharson.) It could be Furquharson. (Lesley: Furquharson) I'm gonna go with that. We're gonna go with that y'all. Lesley Logan 11:18  I'm gonna Google the person. It's an incredible, amazing question. So I can't imagine that's a fake name. Brad Crowell 11:23  Well, it was a comment on one of our videos about comparing different like explaining the different pieces of a Pilates equipment. I said, Wow, that was amazing insight into different pieces of equipment, it'd be really nice to see some equipment comparisons. So you know, comparing the different chairs and comparing the performers, that's really complicated, because there's no place where there's like a showroom of reformers. (Lesley: No, no.) So I don't know how we would do that. (Lesley: I did say that in my response to that.) You did. You did. Yeah. But she said also recommendations for training providers. What? And then the question, What makes you an all around practitioner of Pilates? Do you need to study classical? Do you study modern? Is there like a scientific version of Pilates? Like, what is the best path here? Lesley Logan 12:04  Yeah, so first of all, when it comes to training providers like and when I could decide if this is like teacher training providers, or like, who to take from, so if it is teacher training providers, you want to get my book, Profitable Pilates, Everything but the Exercises because the first few chapters are really actually talking about what you need to ask when it comes to becoming a teacher. So you pick the right program. As you're asking, like, how do I find a teacher trainer? Or sorry, a teacher that can train me as a human being who just wants to practice Pilates and be an all around practitioner? Well, this is complicated.Brad Crowell 12:49  Well, before you keep going, if you're looking at that book, it's profitablepilates.com/bookLesley Logan 12:54  Oh, that's okay. So um, so here's, here's the thing. I did a video on YouTube, about like, the truth about Pilates. And in there I discussed like, what you should be looking for when it comes to a Pilates teacher, because I think it's extremely important that you are armed with how to how do I know that this person is the right teacher for me. And it doesn't mean how many years experience they have, but their foundation of their teaching is important. So looking for looking for a teacher who has a comprehensive training is going to be really awesome. And you're looking for things like in bio, you're looking for things to say comprehensive, or 450 hours or more in their bio. Now, you because I know a lot of people teach Matt and listen to this. Hold on. I fucking love you. That's how I got started. You're an amazing teacher, I bet you're the best at what you do. However, somebodyLesley Logan 13:51  wants me an all around practitioner, ideally, they have access to their equipment. So I'm not this is not a diss on you. It's just like answering all around practitioner question. As far as classical better than modern versus scientific.Lesley Logan 14:05  You will, that's going to be a little bit more of a personal like, like a personality style and also at finding the teacher that you feel sees your body best. I am a classical teacher. However, some of my friends are among the best contemporary teachers out there. Shout out to Erika, and Portia and Joy and all these people, Jessica Blount like all these people who are amazing at what they do, I would not say that I'm better or they're better than me based on the style. What makes a teacher the best for you is their curiosity in your body and how it's going and their ability to take you on a journey that makes you stronger than you were the day before. And so if your teacher is constantly telling you what not to do, they're counting a lot. They're overcorrecting, you feel like you do nothing correctly. That is not going to make you the best all around practioner. You are looking for people who can be a coach who can be a guide who encourage movement, and who are okay, letting you make mistakes and be on a journey. Brad is smiling, so I'm just gonna let him jump in.Brad Crowell 15:11  While I'm just laughing about our last episode where we were talking about cults. You know, these two episodes came back to back. (Brad: Back to back y'all.)Lesley Logan 15:22  But they're also right after the pastor, so Brad Crowell 15:26  Two pastors and former pastor in a row, Adrian and then Nikole. (Lesley: I know.) Yeah. (Lesley: And then neither, they're not pastors anymore. Anyways.) No, but yeah, I was gonna say, I think that, you know, there's a weird, there's a weird there's a weird what's the right word? It's, you know, acceptance, that in restaurants that the chef is a tyrant. There's a weird acceptance that in the dance world that the teacher is so hard and harsh and crazy. And I think that all those people can go fuck themselves. Because that's bullshit. And in the Pilates world, if you end up with a teacher who is, is like, this is the only way everyone else is wrong, then that they they're wrong. They are 100% wrong. And I will happily tell them that. Lesley Logan 16:28  And that happens on both sides of the contemporary and classical. I'll suppose it's not likeBrad Crowell 16:33  It's not Yeah, that happens. That like the reality that was happening in that scenario is that they are creating division in the Pilates community. (Lesley: It happens in yoga.) It happens in yoga, happens, it totally happens in yoga. I mean, I, I experienced that personally. But it happens to Pilates. And I think it's the worst thing that we can be doing to ourselves in this industry, is because we're creating the division in this industry. And it's wrong. It's wrong. Lesley Logan 17:03  And also like, it doesn't allow either the client nor teacher to be on a journey to learn. And so I don't you ask about scientific and I'll say this, I know anatomy. I have studied it. In fact, it was a big part of my major before I switched majors, I have taken more than my fair share of anatomy classes. I don't use anatomical terms ever when I teach. And it's not because I don't know them. It's because in Pilates the whole body should be working. So I'm not going to talk to your rhomboids. Because I'm not going to talk to your Supersprint anus, I'm not going to talk to your prehensile whatever. I don't know if you do that this is not a knock on you, if that works for you. But that is when as my teacher Jay Grimes, he said in Joseph's Pilates studio he never once heard an anatomical term, the body was to move. And so you to find a teacher or an or teacher trainer, who it's not about letting people just be sloppy, it's about letting the body tell you what it means. If you let a body move without being micromanaged. And this is what I work with my photos and my mentorship eLevate, the body, if you let the body move, and you just watch it, it's going to tell you what it needs. It's going to tell you where it's getting hung up. And then you get to ask yourself, Where else can I help them? Where can I do this? Where should we go right now? And you get to be this curious person.Brad Crowell 18:30  I just want to say that the exactly the curiosity. I wasn't there clearly wasn't alive when Joseph Pilates was creating different pieces of equipment. But that curiosity is what kept him saying, Hmm, this person isn't getting the thing. So what if I made another piece of equipment that would help isolate the thing or do the thing, right? I mean, if you go back and you look at the different, like, go go to Balanced Body go to like go to their library, Ken Andelman has been collecting schematics and like history of Pilates for decades. Right? So, Ken Andelman has been collecting, you know, all these schematics and everything for years. And they all have different, they're all slightly different. He kept changing and modifying and changing and changing and changing. Right. So, you know, he didn't I don't even I can't put words in his mouth. But I would imagine that there wasn't one way to do the thing. Right, because he kept making new pieces of equipment to do the thing.Lesley Logan 19:43  Well, yeah. And yes, and yes. Yes.Brad Crowell 19:47  To get to the point to where he wanted them to be.Lesley Logan 19:50  Yeah. No, like, if you couldn't do it on the reformer. He would take you to the Cadillac, correct? Yes, yes. Correct. Yeah, I think that's a great point. So anyways, to answer your question, It's there's no easy way to find the right teacher for you except to take from different teachers until you find one that you really like. But watch that video that I made on the truth about Pilates, and ask your teacher questions. And if you feel like you're never good enough, then find a different teacher. If you are wanting to be a teacher, then go read my book, because the questions I give you are going to be really awesome for helping you for helping you find the right program that can make it the teacher you want to be.Brad Crowell 20:28  Yeah, I mean, I not having gone down this path personally. But having edited this book, the questions that you ask, allow the reader to look ahead in the future and say, What do I actually want to do with my Pilates career? And then that question and the questions around in those first three chapters will actually allow you to say, well, maybe this isn't the right program for me, or maybe this is the right program for me. And it will equip you with the questions to ask the teacher training program. So that you know what you're actually getting. Yeah, so yeah.Brad Crowell 21:04  All right. Now let's talk about Rebecca Zung. Rebecca Zung is an attorney turned educator who specializes in teaching individuals how to negotiate with narcissists, drawing from her personal experience and professional expertise, and has authored the book Slay the Bully: How to Negotiate with a Narcissist, (Lesley: Which is out now you can go get it.) Yeah. fascinating conversation really made me think about my life and my experience with just people in my life.Lesley Logan 23:11  So here is what I fucking loved. I loved it so much. Like, I don't even need to talk about the rest of the episode why you should watch you should watch and listen to all of it. But I love this. She said they, narcissists, don't attach themselves to you. Because you have so little value. They attach themselves to you because you have so much value. And so if you're like, well, I have these fucking narcissists in my life. Oh my god, I'm like stuck with another narcissist. It's, it's because you're so fucking awesome. And they see how they can utilize that. And I think that is a little what the most important thing to consider because we can get so down on ourselves if we dated another narcissist, or we keep getting sucked into a narcissist in our family or we keep working for one and we can't stop it's because it's, it's not because it's you. Like, it's not your fault that you're fucking awesome. You just have to also like you actually just have to figure out how to recognize the signs and how to exit yourself out of those things. Boundaries are amazing.Brad Crowell 24:13  Yeah, I think like speaking from personal experience, having like inadvertently surrounded myself with narcissists most of my life you know, I always appreciated the idea of being the person behind the person I was that's what how we saw myself. (Lesley: Am I a narcissist?) No, I don't think so. That's the thing. Lesley Logan 24:34  Well that but that's because you like the person you're the person behind this person most of the time. You are doing that, if you keep doing that, am IBrad Crowell 24:42  But because of my operational, all that kind of stuff, right? Like, my like, that's my you know, that's my zone of genius is being able to do the operations I but I needed to do an operations for someone right. And so oh, I ended up working for a narcissist. being best friends with a narcissist being having business partners, like all this kind of stuff. And the reality is, (Lesley: Cause you're so fucking awesome.) Well, thank you. Thank you. That's what my point was ultimately is I'm awesome. No, that's not my point. I appreciate that, babe, you're amazing. Now the point is it wasn't on purpose. No, you know, I, you know, and but but I also didn't really understand what was happening. And unfortunately, those relationships ended badly. You know, where things ended up in like, like, like explosions and fireworks.Lesley Logan 25:41  I guess I didn't What I didn't ask her maybe, is like, can you even in a relationship with a narcissist without a name badly? Like, it's kind of hard. Like, I think as a person who cares? I think you're always going to feel like it didn't end. They're never gonna let you let it end well.Brad Crowell 25:56  Oh, well, it didn't end the way I wanted them. Yeah, I didn't actually want the relationships to end. Yeah. Right. And you know, but there was there was something like, inate like, in me, like that was like, I got to a point where I was like, I can't do the thing anymore, whatever the thing is that needed to happen. And whether, you know, personal, work, business, whatever, like there was, it was like, it was guttural. It was like revolt revulsion to continue down this path. And I couldn't understand it myself. And I really struggled with it for a long time. Because I actually had, you know, I cared for these people. And that was really, really challenging. And but I, you know, and I think that the thing of not blaming yourself, that's hard to do, you know, because you walk away from a relationship that just hand grenaded and you're like, What did I do wrong?Lesley Logan 26:52  Yeah. And she said, you can't actually blame yourself. They're really good at this. Like they're, they're really, really good at what they do. Because they've been, it's, it's part of like, how they became a person in this world. So it's like, this is their habit. And they, if you go back and listen to the whole episode, there's not a single cult leader who's not a narcissist, like they need people who are wanting to make this world a better place to put them up on a pedestal and help them achieve whatever it's they want. So I think like, I think we've every single person listening, this has probably experienced or is experiencing currently a relationship with a narcissist that they're stuck on and having a hard time with. And go listen to this episode, because she's amazing. (Brad: Yeah, it was a great episode) and then probably read her book. And then you have got to get out of like, this is your fault. And that like you did something wrong, and instead start to take the steps to put boundaries up. One of the things I remember one of the reasons why I want to have her on the episode of the show, like, because how do you be till you see it, if you've like, got sucked in with a narcissistic relationship? It is because the only thing you can be is what they need you to be because they're just gonna keep doing it. Right. And she, she's just got some really great actual steps. It's like, when you're working with a narcissist, you're never gonna win the argument. So if they emailed you a list of things you did wrong, like, emailing them back all the ways that wasn't wrong is not they're not gonna go okay. Like you just have toBrad Crowell 28:25  It doesn't fucking matter. I used to get these crazy fucking emails in all caps and red letters from my boss. (Lesley: That's so weird. I can't even read that really well, it just looks like it's screaming at you.) No, but I would. I would. I was just like, changed it read to just emphasize Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah, it was like it was him shouting was what it was through emails. Right. And at first, I was like, oh, man, (as if the all caps didn't) but it got to the point where it was so fucking often I just ignored it. I was like, This is him venting about a thing that I can't solve. And so whatever, you know, and I don't think that benefited our relationship. Lesley Logan 29:02  But actually it benefited you. And also, like she even said, like this one thing that here's one of the things that Rebecca Zung said, you don't you're not going to, no evidence is going to prove that you are right. So you have to if you have to respond back, it needs to be like the time like the simplest sentence. Okay, we'll talk about it at 10:30 on Thursday. Right? Like not going point by point with them because that's what they want you to do. And that's how you always lose. Yeah, you will not win that Yeah. And even with one of the relationships that ended with you and a friend who's a narcissist, that's what they wanted. They wanted to go point by point like this happened on this day and they did this this happened on this and it's like, yeah, all those things happen the way that he thought they happened, but we don't need to go point by point the culmination the culmination of it all is that like, this isn't working and you've been abusive towards me and period. Yeah. Anyways, I just I I want to reiterate that one more time. You are not, you did not put your you are not the reason. There's nothing wrong with you everything about you, it's why they attach themselves to you. So you just need to really recognize the signs of when a narcissist is coming your way. Brad Crowell 30:15  It's not your fault that you're in a relationship with the narcissist. Lesley Logan 30:18  No, they're really fucking good at that. She said it she's the expert. Okay, what did you love?Brad Crowell 30:22  Yeah, love is relative here. But the thing that really struck me was getting out of a relationship with a narcissist is challenging and accusatory and personal and emotional. And she said, when she shared the wisdom from she had a business coach and a guru who, ironically guru from last week, but she said her business coach, what said, listen, it's not what the narcissists say. It's how it lands for you. Meaning you cannot take it personally. You can't. It's if you do, you will destroy yourself. You know, and what she started to talk about, which I thought was really interesting, was agreeing with how the narcissist feels without agreeing to the narcissist's point. Right, and, you know, so if you've ever been in a relationship with someone who has borderline personality disorder, you know, or is a narcissist, it's the same thing. Like, you need to acknowledge how they're feeling. And they're allowed to feel the feels. But what they're saying is, might not actually be reality, and may not be true. And so if you listen to what they're saying, then and personalizing it, you know, it may really, really, really hurt you. But you can't let you cannot take it personally. Right. She talked about the Four Agreements, take nothing personally in the Four Agreements. Right. And, you know, you the way to have a conversation and to like, I don't know, I think her book is about winning an argument, right? Lesley Logan 32:25  She has, she has another like, she has other stuff out about winning arguments. Brad Crowell 32:30  Yeah. Okay. And, and basically, you know, you have to acknowledge what they're feeling in order for them to, like, take a pause. And so like, Hey, I understand what you're saying. And I understand how this makes you feel. Yeah. And then you get to move on. And that allows you to not take it personally. Yeah. And that's challenging to do. It's really, really hard to do. Lesley Logan 32:52  I think like, what really, this is, like, y'all, if you are really good at your boundaries, it's really hard for a narcissist to take over. Because like your boundaries, using your boundaries, in the beginning relationship will let people know, like one of my clients, she is so friggin like badass about like, she tells a job. She's like, I actually don't work more than eight hours in a day. You don't pay me to do that. Salary does not mean I overworked myself. She doesn't tell them in the interview, she waits until she's hired. And as soon as they do that, she's like, Hey, I've noticed over the last three days, the amount of meetings you've had me in have required me to have caused me to not really get my work done in the day. I would just like you to know that because if you're gonna keep putting me in six hours of meetings, and I have six hours of work, I mean, they're not gonna get the work done. Not gonna be the meetings. And they'll often like, oh, well, like you're part of the team. She's like, I am on this team. And being part of this team means the amount of work I can give you eight good hours a day. And I'm like, Are you like, both was a part of as like, oh my god, like, are you gonna get in trouble? Brad Crowell 33:57  Are you gonna get fired, likeLesley Logan 33:58  It's not what I get paid to do. (Brad: That's true.) That's not it. Yeah. And so like, so she has crazy bosses and, and like she does not let them push her around. And she doesn't let them abuse her time. So it makes it really hard for them to push these like narcissistic things on her because she's like, that's a boundary. I don't let people cross.Brad Crowell 34:20  It was it took me years to get to that point at my job. Where, oh, where my boss would like, what? What threat? Well, he would just hit drop. Do you remember the right hand grenade into a conversation of like, what about this thing that like we haven't talked about in four months?Lesley Logan 34:37  We were at a dinner, and he threw a hissy fit on a cell phone password. And like he was texting you. It was like very early on in our relationship. It was something about his daughter's cell phone. It has nothing to do with you. It's like not even your job. There's like someone else who does this. And he was like having a hissy fit about this whole thing. And we had to go. We're at dinner. Like there's nothing you can do. about this. Brad Crowell 35:00  Yeah, like what I would do in the meetings, like what I got to the point of because I was tired of getting gray hairs was, I got to the point of saying, hey, yesterday, you asked me to do this. Today, I blocked out time to do this. And what you're telling me today is priority is going to affect the thing you asked me to do yesterday. So I am super happy to do either one. You tell me which one is priority, and I will get that done. I think it will take me four hours to do this project and six hours into this project, your call. And when I got black and white with the amount of fucking time it would take to do the things that he was asking me to do. All of a sudden, my life became a whole lot easier. Because it's he's like, it's funny. It's not unreasonable when you put it that way. But he's unreasonable if you don't, because the expectation is, you're just gonna get it all done. Right. And if you actually spell out what that means, and you're not being angry or confrontational about it, you let them make the decision, then I was able to actually survive the intensity of it. Because I effectivelyLesley Logan 36:08  You just kind of disarmed them. You like,Brad Crowell 36:12  yeah, let him make the decision. You tell me, man, I'll do whatever you want. You know.Lesley Logan 36:16  That's such a great gift. I think, you know, then again, it comes to boundaries, though. Brad Crowell 36:20  Yeah, that was, it took me four or five years to get to the point where I was like, I can't fucking work till two in the morning when I'm at home anymore. Not doing it. So yeah.Lesley Logan 36:30  Yeah. Anyways, oh, she also. You also like had, I just want to say like, hurt people hurt people. I think that's a really important thing to add in here. Before you go to the Be It Action Items. Like, you know, it'sBrad Crowell 36:45  She said, people treat you the way that they see themselves. Yeah. You know, and that's part of that, like, the one if they're lashing out and being accusatory about something, you know, it's very likely that that's how they see themselves.Lesley Logan 37:00  Yeah. I just, I mean, like, my goodness, we'll have to have her back. But we all need to read her books. And then we can have her back, BookBub. Just, I, it's, you know, it's so easy for those who are listening to this you. I felt years ago, I remember driving so I was in Orange County. And I remember hearing the guy who was probably a narcissist actually. From Do you remember on MTV, like there was there was a they had a show. It was like a nightly radio show. And it was with Oh my God, it was the doctor who Oh, my gosh, there's two guys.Brad Crowell 37:34  I was definitely not allowed to watch MTV. Lesley Logan 37:36  I was in college, but there was you guys. Somebody shout it out (inaudible). They're like (Brad: Drew Pinsky.) Yes. Drew, Dr. Drew, and it was this. They had a late-night radio show that would also air on MTV. And it was with I can't think of his name. I think it's a big forehead and he ended up with his own late-night show (Brad: Loveline.) I used to love Adam Carolla. Yes. I mean, yeah, I don't think he's I think they I think both have been canceled or at least one anyways, um, Dr. Drew was in an interview way back. This was a radio show so it was like this is way before podcast you guys I was in Orange County it's in college. And he said that there was an increased this is what there was no Instagram there's no Tiktok there's no snap that at the time it was like just MySpace. And like Facebook was like barely a blip on our screen. Just like MySpace right? And at that time he said social media is causing this increased narcissistic behavior. (Brad: Hmm.) And now it is insane like some of my friends I would consider it like a narcissist in a weird way just because the way they like see themselves and the way they do things. They're not a narcissist to me because like, they see me as like an equal with them and like, you know, I've got boundaries. But at any rate, there's putting yourself out there as as this person who knows these answers these things, it's really easy to either become a cult leader or at the very least slightly be a narcissist and so it's it's because of the way the world is causing us to put ourselves out there. That's like, you can be raised like this and I also think parenting so so I just I really wanted to have her on because in being until we see it, if you are sucked into a relationship with a narcissist, they will cause you every single day to not be the person you want wanting to be. Brad's got the facial look, he's looking something up. Are you just discovered loveline in this moment?Lesley Logan 37:47  No, I just decided to search for does social media increase narcissism (Lesley: And when did they say?) well I don't know the study or whatever. This is just a LinkedIn post but the answer is yes. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if it's I don't know who backed it up. But you know, there's there's like (inaudible).Lesley Logan 40:00  Do social media create narcissism or are narcissists attracted to social media? Interesting.Brad Crowell 40:05  That's another question.Lesley Logan 40:08  I'm sure there's a study, someone could send it to us, okay.Brad Crowell 40:13  All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold executable intrinsic are targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Rebecca Zung?Lesley Logan 40:24  Are you going first?Brad Crowell 40:25  I'm gonna go first. So, she said she talked about the three approach, which she said are step one, don't run from the narcissist. Step two, make a U turn. And step three, break free. Right? So step one, she advises you to start creating boundaries unless it was talking about that this entire episode. Such as you cannot speak to me that way. Or, like your client said, I'm happy to do that tomorrow. But it's after six o'clock. Right? So observe the situation. The hardest part of it is to like, be objective, not subjective, right? Subjective means it's what you're feeling objective is what a third party would feel. She says she emphasized that it's not not to feel bad about choices made in survival mode, you know, because it's so weird. Thinking back to my experience, where I finally drew boundaries, where I said, six o'clock is my line. I'm not working after six o'clock. And that took me years to get to that point. Then I got a phone call one time. And I was about to go live on a show. I was hosting a show. (Lesley: Oh, yeah. You used to have a radio show.) Yeah, I used to have a TV radio show on the internet. And 10 minutes before we were about to go live. I got some fucking dumb, bullshit, like, explosion, unnecessary thing that had to be resolved that exact second with my immediate boss who was reporting to the owner. And I basically told him, I can't do it. And he freaked out on me. And I said, I will call you tomorrow. I'm about to go live. I cannot be having this conversation right now. You're fucking with my headspace. I have to do what I'm doing in my life. And my life is not my job. And that was like, he basically wrote me off after that conversation. And like, you know, and but he couldn't fire me because the boss wouldn't let him. But it was the first time that I ever actually drew a line in the sand. You know, so. And I actually felt like that was survival mode, because that's not my normal. I don't usually like confrontation don't usually get into confrontation. And that was the that was the very beginning of what I started to embrace confrontation in that job. Because in order to get out, I had to start being confrontational. So you know, I like that. She says, don't feel bad about the choices you make in survival mode. Step, you're gonna need fucking counsel also after that.Lesley Logan 43:00  Sidenote. I saw someone the other day, like, Oh, my God, I'm so sorry. Like the pandemic. I just got in touch with you. And I was like, you know, apologies for not staying in touch with people during the pandemic, period. End of story. Yeah. Everybody in the world was in survival mode. Absolutely. No apologies. I'm not worried about it. If you have been staying away from me for a year, because you've been embarrassed about that. Please. No.Brad Crowell 43:26  Yeah, she said, step two is to make a U turn. Right. And she started explaining her slay method, which I thought was super fun, which is strategy, leverage, anticipate, and then you focus on you. Right? So strategy, you can't start creating a strategy until you set those boundaries. Step one, right. It involves creating a vision, a goal and action steps in your life, you need to understand what you actually want for you. Because if you don't know what you want for you, you're going to just we asked their vision.Lesley Logan 43:58  That's the whole thing, right? Like, they'll say, like, if you don't have goals, someone else will make sure you have a goal. (Brad: That's right.) So like, that's just how it goes, yeah.Brad Crowell 44:05  Then you need to, you know, then you need to identify what leverage you may have in the situation. For me, what I was getting out of my job quitting that job, like he used to sue people who would quit. So how did I quit without getting fucking sued That was I remember that that was a big, it was insane. Right? How do you get out of that? Right? And knowing that it was such a cult, it was, oh, there's no question. But what I realized is that the number one priority for him was family. So I leveraged my family. So step, so part of the slay method is leverage. And I leveraged my family and my appeal to him when I left was my wife is starting a business. And I need to support her in that business. Every single thing he ever said to me for the years that I worked for him was why he does things for his family. And he could not say, you can't do that, because he's stands for family. So I leveraged that that was the leverage I had in that situation. (Lesley: You're so smart.) Took me a long time to figure it out. I appreciate that. Number three part third part A is anticipation be two steps ahead of the narcissist understand what type of narcissist you're dealing with covert, grandiose or malignant. I don't know the difference between those three, I didn't look those up. (Lesley: She goes into those, I think in her book.) In her book, she talks about them, so it's worth reading. And then finally, why is focusing on you prioritizing your mindset shift from being on the defensive to being on the offense. And that, you know, it was like, it just took, it actually took me getting to a breaking point of like, I can't keep living like this, I'm gonna die, to get to the point where I was like, I need to prioritize me, then I started setting boundaries, right, then I started trying to play on my escape, effectively, right. And that leads to step three, which is breaking free. The true breaking free is understanding that there will always be narcissists in this world. So if and when you extricate yourself from the situation you may be in right now, which could be a mom could be, you know, a sibling, could be a boss, it could be a partner, a business partner, you know, like, the reality is, there are narcissists. And now that, you know, it will be easier to identify them in the future. But again, having somebody to talk to about it, is going to really benefit you. So what about you?Lesley Logan 46:24  So I love this, she said. She said, If there's only one thing she could leave people with is that you alone define your value. You alone define your value. So you have to, you have to like and that's that can be really hard. Like she talked about a story of how like, she was like afraid that she's gonna be seen as inconsistent or a flake. Because her her jobs like took her all over the map. And her coach said, Well, you can let people see you as a flake, or you can present your self as the attorney who has a financial background.Brad Crowell 47:01  Yeah. So she went from being an attorney to a finance, like consultant like, like personal finance consultant back to being an attorney. Yeah. And she she said, I'm, I feel like people are looking at me like you just jump around. What are you even doing?Lesley Logan 47:15  Yeah. And she, but because she had that experience. Now she's the like, she's the best attorney who's got that experience. And so she can really see things from a different place. By the way, she didn't have any Yeah, she has like the number one like divorce firm. Like, she's like one of the like, it's fucking amazing.Brad Crowell 47:28  One of the top firms in Florida and she was, you know, some of her clients were billionaires.Lesley Logan 47:34  Which, when you're doing divorce, you gotta know the finances real Well, anyways, she said, people will think what we tell them to think, right? I mean, this goes back to like, the most certain person in the room wins. So she said, like, how you show up is everything. This is being it until you see it, guys, this is being it till you see it. Your presentation and demeanor dictates how people perceive and interact with you. So here's the deal. This is something oh my god, I'm so grateful I was in debate team in college, and my in my speech in debate classes. They said, if you make a mistake in a speech, don't acknowledge it. No one knows you made a mistake until you say, Oh, I forgot to say or I wanted to say, oh, I want to do this. That's right. Just either if you can find a way to add it back in somewhere else than do or just leave it out. And like that is a kind of a thing. Like when I am presenting workshopsBrad Crowell 48:27  It takes thinking on your feet to do that. Lesley Logan 48:28  It really does. I when I'm presenting workshops, like of course, if I'm not looking, if I don't have my notes in my hand, I'm going to go off the roadmap and go, Oh, I forgot this. And I don't say Oh, I forgot this. I say oh, I want to make sure we do this or hey, let's actually take a moment to talk about this. Some sort of way segue to bring that topic in. Because if I go oh man, I forgot this. Oh my like, how, like, when I was in retail, I had this one guy who worked for me. And he had a lot of shit going on his life. And at one point, he was like, in between housing, all this stuff. I was really worried about him. You would never know. Because he said when he crossed the threshold from the marble of the mall to the oh my god, there's like a special kind of like a tile tile. It's like yeah, like travertine tile. He like came in and he he told himself as soon as he went from the shiny marble floor to the travertine tile, he would go it's showtime. And he and it's and he would just do it show time and that would let him know that in this moment how I let people see me and so people you guys he ended up getting a job as one of the like highest managers and LVHM store which is like one of the stores like for Louis Vuitton, you know Balenciaga, Bulgari-owned store so hard to get a job in one of those companies, let alone a manager right off the bat. And it's because he decided how they're going to perceive him. He was really good he did. But his resume might not have gotten that job, but he told them how he wanted to be perceived. And I think that's so important. You can you can walk into an interview or you can meet a new client and you can act like oh my God, I hope they liked me or you can go, they're fucking gonna like me. Here's how I show up. Here's how much I'm worth and be really clear about that. Anyways, August is on the show right now, if you're watching on YouTube, because he is just having a needy moment. He's having a day guys. But I hope that this episode really helps give you permission to like, be an amazing human being and not blame yourself for the shit the narcissists you've let in your life. And also that she helps you guide you to getting narcissists out of your life. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 50:42  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 50:43  Thank you so much for listening, and we want to know how you use these tips in your life tag Rebecca Zung. She will love to hear if you bought her book. Let her know and us know what your favorite takeaways were. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 50:55  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 50:56  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. Brad Crowell 50:56  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.  Lesley Logan 50:56  It is produced, edited by the epic team at Disenyo. Brad Crowell 50:56  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi. Lesley Logan 50:56  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions. Brad Crowell 50:56  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Why it was selected for "CBNation Architects": In this episode of the I AM CEO Podcast, host Gresham Harkless interviews Lesley Logan, an author and Pilates teacher who coaches Pilates teachers and studio owners on how to grow their businesses. Lesley has been teaching Pilates for ten years and has led Pilates retreats in Siem Reap, Cambodia, and Maui, Hawaii. After publishing her book "Profitable Pilates: Everything But the Exercises," she turned her focus towards coaching and helping other Pilates professionals achieve business success. Lesley shares insights and strategies on how Pilates teachers and studio owners can effectively grow their businesses. She emphasizes the importance of taking care of scheduling and prioritizing personal goals within one's calendar. Lesley also encourages individuals to make choices that align with their aspirations and start from where they currently are. Throughout the episode, Lesley highlights the value of freedom and bringing value to more people as a CEO. She discusses her websites, including profitablepilates.com, lesleyloganpilates.com, and onlinepilatesclasses.com, as well as her social media profiles on Facebook and Instagram. Overall, this episode provides valuable advice for Pilates professionals seeking to expand their businesses and make a positive impact on their clients' lives. Lesley's experience and expertise in the industry make her insights highly relevant and useful for anyone in the Pilates teaching or studio ownership field. Check out our CEO Hack Buzz Newsletter--our premium newsletter with hacks and nuggets to level up your organization. Sign up HERE.  I AM CEO Handbook Volume 3 is HERE and it's FREE. Get your copy here: http://cbnation.co/iamceo3. Get the 100+ things that you can learn from 1600 business podcasts we recorded. Hear Gresh's story, learn the 16 business pillars from the podcast, find out about CBNation Architects and why you might be one and so much more. Did we mention it was FREE? Download it today!   Previous Episode: https://iamceo.co/2018/07/26/032-author-pilates-teacher-coaches-pilates-teachers-studio-owners-to-grow-their-businesses/

With just a month until the first World Diplomacy Championship in Asia we catchup with organisers Andrew Goff and Lei Saarlainen about WDC Bangkok 2023, plus lots more. Intro The guys introduce their drinks and tonight's venue (0 mins 10 secs) They discuss why Italy doesn't open more often to the west and some crazy openings (5 mins 35 secs) Interview about WDC Bangkok with Andrew Goff and Lei Saarlainen They introduce the interview today with Lei Saarlainen and Andrew Goff about WDC 2023 in Bangkok (14 mins) We discuss what's planned (16 mins 40 sec) They discuss how language is approached at the tournament (20 mins) Andrew and Lei discusses what makes this WDC different to previous tournaments (25 mins 10 secs) Kaner asks about what Bangkok is like for visitors flying in and what to do. Andrew gives some tricks to remember for visitors (29 mins 45 secs) Lei also mentions there is a side tournament being held a week later in Siem Reap in Cambodia including visits to the Angkor Wat temple complex. Andrew also gives context for scheduling during the tournament and a WhatsApp group (33 mins 50 secs) They discuss time limit plans for the games (38 mins 20 secs) Kaner asks about the tournament scoring system (41 mins 20 secs) Amby goes onto discuss which official version of the rules will be used - the new board or rules played for many years (44 mins 10 secs) Amby asks about the cultural style of the tournament gameplay (48 mins 20 secs) He goes onto ask about the local climate and how should people be packing (52 mins 30 secs) They discuss some of the challenges maintaining momentum for the tournament during the pandemic (56 mins) They begin wrapping up the interview (1 hr 1 min) They goes give their thoughts on the interview (1 hr 2 mins 30 secs) Amby incorrectly says the Siem Reap tournament will be in a temple - he misheard Lei - ignore this bit folks! (1 hr 7 mins) Diplomacy chat Kaner asks about getting a face to face game in Brisbane (1 hr 13 mins) Amby discusses the Curious Western Triple  (1 hr 14 mins) The guys talk houses and the Kaner & Amby Gardening Show (1 hr 28 mins)  Around the grounds The guys discuss their Nine Dash Line game (https://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=55953) which they're playing with podcast listeners (1 hr 33 mins 40 secs) vDip has new variants again thanks to tobi1 and Enriador. Kaner talks about his anonymous East Indies game where he's getting screwed over (https://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=55953) (1 hr 41 mins 50 secs) Amby touches on some of his games. First up is an email only game run by David E Cohen for the Mandate of Heaven variant. He discusses his interesting gameplay strategy - big shout out to his ally Rob (1 hr 46 mins 20 secs) Amby talks about his American Conflict game - a Civil War variant with the European powers joining in at the same time (https://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=56035#gamePanel) (1 hr 51 mins 15 secs) Next is his Imperial game as Britain (https://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=55996) (1 hr 54 mins 30 secs) The guys wrap up the show (2 hrs 2 mins 30 secs) Venue: Babylon, Brisbane Drinks of choice: Kaner: 150 Lashes pale ale Amby: Kaesler shiraz from the Barossa Valley Just a reminder you can support the show by giving it 5 stars on iTunes or Stitcher. And don't forget if you want to help pay off the audio equipment... or get the guys more drunk, you can also donate at Patreon, plus you get extra podcast episodes! Lastly, don't forget to subscribe so you get the latest Diplomacy Games episodes straight to your phone. Thanks as always to Dr Dan aka "The General" for his rockin' intro tune.

Join me in this episode, where I'm in Siem Reap, Cambodia, and talk with a young man who went from a poor kid climbing up his parent's coconut trees before and after school to the manager of the hotel I'm staying at. This one was first released in June 2017.

I denne episode er jeg i Siem Reap i Cambodia, hvor jeg har en snak med en ung mand, der gik fra at være en fattig dreng til at være direktør på det hotel, jeg bor på. Denne episode blev udgivet første gang i juni 2017.

Everyone poops. There's a book about it. Here in Siem Reap, Cambodia, there's a blog that will direct you to the best nearby public toilet (which, incidentally is the preferred English word for a bathroom in Asia). Most people don't plan their holidays around their trips to the toilet, but the experience is undoubtedly, and not always pleasantly, an unavoidable experience on every trip to Asia. Today, we're going to share some of our experiences, offer a few tips to help you navigate the water closets of Asia, and hopefully give you a good laugh in the process.

Hear about travel to Cambodia as the Amateur Traveler talks to Matt from XpatMatt.com about a 10-day itinerary in this rapidly changing Asian country.

Have you ever wanted to visit Cambodia and see all the natural wonders there? This weeks episode is for you! Come along on my journey from Pnomh Penh to Siem Reap!

This week on Passport to Everywhere, Melissa transports us to Southeast Asia, shining a spotlight on Cambodia.First, Ginevra Boatto, World Monument Fund's regional representative for Southeast Asia overseeing the Angkor Archeological Park project, joins Melissa to talk about engaging with local communities, restoring sites, expectations of travelers, and more.The WMF is a nonprofit dedicated to saving the world's most treasured places so they can be appreciated and studied by future generations. Since its inception in 1965, the Fund has partnered with local communities, governments, and preservationists to safeguard more than 700 sites in 112 countries.  Perhaps one of the most popular sites on this list is Angkor Archeological Park in Siem Reap, Cambodia. The complex, once the seat of the Khmer Empire, stretches over 150 square miles and contains dozens of magnificent Hindu and Buddhist temples built between the ninth and fifteenth centuries – the most famous, of course, being Angkor Wat, the largest religious monument in the world.  Then Melissa and Kathryn Nathanson, Director of Indagare Productions, discuss how to make the most of a trip to Siem Reap, the gateway to Angkor. For more on WMF, visit their website Follow Melissa on Instagram.Learn more about Indagare Travel.

Your “someday” trip can happen. All it takes is the decision to start. Listen in to today's episode about traveling to escape into your life, broaden your perspectives, and interact with society in a way outside your comfort zone. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Quit saying someday. Begin to think through your dreamQuestion what's the first step to making the trip happen? How travel can be an escape into your life, not from it. How to make a habit of travel accessible Skip the commercial travel industry The value in taking an interest in people Why travel is more than just a vacationGive yourself permission for your trip to change.Episode References/Links:Rolf Potts websiteRetreat updates  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Brad Crowell  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the nomadic convo I had with Rolf Potts in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that episode, go feel, go, go feel free. You should feel free (Brad: Feel go for free.) You should feel like you could go freely to listen to that episode. And then come back and join us for this one. All I know is that Brad listen to it and he's like, "I think Rolf and I should be friends. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  Yeah. Yeah. Rolf and I obviously traveled similarly. And, and I loved it. I was like, "I can't wait to read his book." Now, I'm not gonna lie.Lesley Logan  Oh, you should we have it.Brad Crowell  I know. I saw it on the counter.Lesley Logan  You can, you can read it. You can read a page a day. You don't have to read the whole thing.Brad Crowell  Oh, no, I want to read his first book. (Lesley: Oh) I want to read his like original, this one's called The Vagabond's Way. (Lesley: The ... Yeah, yeah.) The new one is The Vagabond's Way and that's like 366 quotes and advice and stuff like that. No, I'm interested in reading the first one he published about his like stories through Myanmar and stuff like that.Lesley Logan  Oh, well, you should get that before we go on ... I mean, everyone you're listeners to this after we've come back from a trip but Brad you should get it before we leave you. (Brad: Yeah.) ... before we go, which speaking of we in real time, literally just got back, by the time you listen to this and your real time of ... (Brad: Yeah) listening to this episode. Well, I've just got back from Cambodia, (Brad: Yeah) and you can get yourself on the waitlist for the next one because I you've had so much FOMO.Brad Crowell  Oh, you don't know, you don't even know this was a, so our retreaters don't even know what we have planned for them. And they have not yet experienced this but by the time you'll you'll be listening to this, they will have experienced an epic waterfall that was dedicated only to the king, only the king and the royal family we're allowed to go there. And now it's open to the public. And it's very much off the beaten path is about an hour and a half outside the city. And this is not something that we usually do but we have an adventurous group with us this time and we (Lesley: Yeah) decided we're going to we're going to throw that into the mix ...Lesley Logan  Yeah, well it's also the to get to this particular place in Cambodia, you cannot take a big van, it has to be (Brad: Yes smaller ... ) a smaller car because it is it is like up through the mountains. And then there's also these apple bananas. This is the craziest thing when I saw they were red bananas. (Brad: Yeah.) Anyways, (Brad: They're pretty cool.) you can go you can join us next time.Brad Crowell  Yeah, this this if you haven't heard us talk about Cambodia before welcome to the podcast. (Lesley: Hi) We talk about it in every single episode.Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah, we do we do right now. lesleylogan.co/retreats will get you on the waitlist, we do take limited amount of people and we are only doing one next year. (Brad: Yes) So if you keep going on to the next one ...Brad Crowell  t's gonna be the fall of 2023 most likely like September or October so anyway, that's what we're we're looking at. So get yourself on the waitlist, lesleylogan.co/retreats, plural.Lesley Logan  And so we are unpacking our bags, just the pack them back up because we're going into a different weather. We're going to Scottsdale Arizona, which you might think is warm, but it's not it's ...Brad Crowell  It's the opposite as Cambodia, possibly.Lesley Logan  ... Cambodia is hot and humid. And we're gonna go to someplace where our skin is gonna shrivel up, and we're gonna chap our lips, and we need a coach. Also, my goal is to do the Grand Canyon, and I just heard from the podcast I just interviewed but y'all will listen to later. But you can like do the Grand Canyon in a day. And I'm wondering if we can do that, wonder if we have the time to do that.Brad Crowell  So there's a there's a really interesting Grand Canyon experience that I don't know if we can pull it off. But if we can ...Lesley Logan  Is it the Glass Bridge thing? Because I don't know ...Brad Crowell  No the Glass Bridge is on the North side.Lesley Logan  Okay. I don't know about that one.Brad Crowell  Well that's like you know, terrifying ...Lesley Logan  The Calgary tower was was terrified. It was like two inches of glass and I was like aahhh.Brad Crowell  This is an eight mile hike down into the ... (Lesley: Yeah. I want to do that.) or at the bottom. And then also you can actually stay down there or at least you could pre COVID I don't know if they've opened it back up. But there's like a hotel.Lesley Logan  Yeah, we don't have time for that. We have time for the hike. So we're gonna do the hike part. And then we'll if we like it, and we like the digs. We can book it in later or for a future adventure. Let's just explore it.Brad Crowell  I will see. Well, we will. This is kind of a perfectly applicable conversation for this episode.Lesley Logan  I know, I know. But before we get to this episode, super, super quick because people have been asking and we've talked about in previous episodes, we are going on the winter Pilates tour. And you're gonna want to go to onlinepilatesclasses.com to see which cities we're going to ...Brad Crowell  Most likely OPC/tour. (Lesley: Yeah.) So onlinepilatesclasses.com/tour. But otherwise, you can just go to the website, you'll find it.Lesley Logan  Yeah, we'll put a little pop up thingy on there too. But space is limited in every class for variety of reasons. This space we're using, and we are just hitting like a couple cities up Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Nashville, look at the site for all cities.Brad Crowell  Just couple. (Lesley: Just couple.) ... Philly area (Lesley: We're working on that one.) Cleveland, St. Louis ...Lesley Logan  Just a few. But I do hope you come on the tour, we'd love to see you in person. We'd love to teach you. And also, because, you know, I know it's the holidays, but everybody wishes they had a little workout and escape and the holidays. (Brad: Yeah) So we're here to provide that for you. Okay (Brad: It's gonna be a blast.) so we had an audience question that I wanted to make sure that we thought to before we dive into Rolf.Brad Crowell  Yes. And I put this question into this episode, because because of this conversation with Rolf, and travel and inspiration, and I'm going to modify it. So the question was, why did you first go to Cambodia? And if you've listened this podcast at all, you've definitely heard me talk about my National Geographic experience. In fact, Lesley briefly mentioned it during the interview. But what I wanted to actually talk about instead was the mentality that I had of wanting to go versus finally going. And so when I first you've heard me talk about NatGeo, I was 12, I saw this amazing spread on Cambodia. I said, this is the Jungle Book in real life, I have to go there. And I was 12. But I didn't go to Cambodia until I was in my 30s. Right. And for me, I lived in Boston, and I was a college student I was working, you know, you know, hourly jobs, I was doing all this stuff. And I just the way I perceived, travel the way I perceived, especially Cambodia, it just seemed like I might as well have been trying to go to another planet. And and that's just how I, you know, I was like, I will go there one day, someday, eventually, I'll get there. But I never actually made it a priority. And until when you asked me, Where are we going on our honeymoon, I was like, "Oh, this is it, I finally can do this, we're gonna go do this." And that was when the decision was made to go. And that's when we actually started to plan it. And the thing that was hilarious to me was it was the first time I ever actually looked into going, I always wanted to go, but I never looked into going and when we were looking at our plane tickets, it was cheaper to go to Cambodia than it was to fly to my parents house for fucking Christmas.Lesley Logan  I know that really (Brad: I'm like ...) that's what we ... That's like, I'm not flying again.Brad Crowell  What the? But that was the crazy thing was I could not believe how accessible that actually was.Lesley Logan  Well, I think and we can talk about it, you know, as we get into Rolfs' episode as well. But I too, because I grew up not traveling. And I grew up every single time travel is expensive. And hearing people say we saved up for like we do a trip every other year, whatever. So just saw that travel was hard, travel is expensive, travel is things that people could do on someday. And you said that the word someday, (Brad: Right) that word bent and just need to get out of the English language because it should be I'm going there. (Brad: Yes) I'm going there. (Brad: Yeah.) And when people say when you can say I'm working on that, I'm gonna get back to you. You don't have to like you, can you but I think it's so easy to make someday never. (Brad: Yeah.) And you and you just said it. You didn't even look to see how much it would cost. (Brad: I never actually look into it.) What a great inserted BE IT action item. Just look at (Brad: Great question.) just look at the place that you want to go or the thing you want to do. What if you just looked it up to see what it was? You could actually ...Brad Crowell  You know, wrap your head around. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah. ) You know, (Lesley: Yeah) because maybe it isn't accessible tomorrow, but maybe it could be in six months.Lesley Logan  Mm hmm. Oh, yeah. I mean, I just, we have a girl we're gonna have on podcast that she's a mutual friend of ours. Her name is Johanna White. And she is wanting to buy a house in like Greece and a couple other places. And she wants to rent the bla bla bla and she asked me like, well, so that's what she asked me. She's like, "How much was like the downpayment you had to have on your house?" And it was a great question for someone who wants to do something someday she's trying to wrap her head around this goal that she has, right? And so truly, if more of us did that, if more of us just like asked the question to get to the first next step of what we wanted. You could have all the things you want. (Brad: Yeah) You can't but if you go someday I'll do this and you don't ever look at how to even have the thing or do the thing that you want to do. It's a never day (Brad: Right) not gonna happen.Brad Crowell  Well, I love it. I love that question. I'm so super passionate about travel and I've lots of thoughts and comments on Rolf. So (Lesley: Let's talk about him.) we'll be back in just a sec.All right, now let's talk about Rolf Potts. As someone who never stays in one place for too long. Rolf Potts is a travel writer who has reported from over 60 countries and for publications like National Geographic and Discovery. He is a proponent of micro adventures, no matter where you are, and uses his curiosity to lead him when he isn't experiencing experiencing a new location. Rolf is probably with his wife at their farmhouse in Kansas.Lesley Logan  You know what, I just want to like toot my own horn for a second, I have not had two NatGeo contributors on this podcast. (Brad: Oh, yes.) And what? 152 episodes? That's pretty like, freaking great. Because it's like, what is it less than point 2% of people get picked to do NatGeo? Like what ...Brad Crowell  Oh, I can't remember what the stat was what it's like ...Lesley Logan   John Mollura's episode. It was like a very specific (Brad: Right) percentage.Brad Crowell  Yeah. John the photographer and now we have Rolf the writer.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So one thing that I loved was he said, make travel an active part of your life, not an escape from your life. Ooh, brilliant. Not an escape from your life, but an escape into your life. And his story that he used was when he, during the pandemic to travel, he did a 22 mile walk in his city, like across his town in Kansas. And, and it's so true. When you walk places, you start to see things you don't see when you drive. And they could have been there forever, like, Oh, my God, look at a store. It's like, Yeah, you don't see it when you're driving, because you're trying to hit another car, when you're walking, you get to take time to like, see it all and take it in, you can make it an adventure. And I do think a lot of people go on vacations to get a break from their life, but what they (Brad: Yeah) end up doing is like getting sick. And, and not really the way that they prioritize a trip is an escape from their life. So they're not actually seeing how they can apply any of their trip into their life. You know, like, I that's something I do over there. It's not something I do here.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I think it's, we have this very, a couple of comments first about the walking across the town, I'll, I'll comment on that in a second. But this idea of the vacation being the moment that you can take a breather, the moment that you can like, Okay, finally I'll be able to rest or whatever. That's not really that's like, that's not necessarily reality trip, you know, like, when you go to a place I know, there's two types of travelers, the person who gets there with an itinerary of 400 things they want to do in a day. And then the person who doesn't want to do a single thing, and they just want to sit in the room or sit on the beach and read a book, right? In the thing, the thing with making it an active part of your life. What he was also getting at with walking across town, is he said, Look, when we were in the pandemic, we weren't allowed to fly, it wasn't an option? We could do that. So how can I keep traveling, even though I'm, I'm right here. And he his curiosity, which we mentioned during his bio, drove him to drove that's ironic to say that word, coincidence to say that word, what I mean is, instead of him driving his life from one town to the next, you said he had his wife decide to walk, he said it took seven hours 22 miles, but along the way, they got to see and experience and like feel this town that they've known forever, in a completely different way. And it was incredibly revealing. He talked about seeing these lovely fields and seeing pastures and you know, sheep and people and like little stands on the side of the road. And suddenly his curiosity was you know, lit on fire again. And he didn't even have to do any crazy travel expenses or anything like that. They just took a day and walked.Lesley Logan  Yeah, and I I think he said it somewhere in the episode like your your vacation can also start in like planning of it like you can you don't have to like wait till you get to the place be like no, I'm on my trip, you can actually be part of the whole thing can be part of the vacation. So ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, we talked about making a habit out of travel and this because this is an example of that. But you're exactly right. Like it could be how can you start practicing? Like when you get to a place and you've like, come up with your itinerary and all the things what if you came up with that itinerary in your hometown and tried a new restaurant locally, and you know, did a new park or a new hike or a new I don't know, like go test drive a car, something that you wouldn't normally do in your hometown. You can start that habit now. And then when you get to where your destination is, then you're there and you're already in the habit of being curious exploring.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I love it. What did you love that he said?Brad Crowell  Yeah, okay, so the idea of skipping the commercial travel itinerary. And letting curiosity guide your travel is one of my favorite things, right? There's different, like, there's different, quote unquote, types of travelers and the one that's FIT, Free Independent Traveller, the FIT traveler, is the person who's like, "Don't tell me what to do, I can figure it out on my own." Like, if they can do it, then I can do it. And I, I really embraced that mentality. I said it kind of in a little sarcastic way. But I like the when you go to a place where we're talking about escapism versus experiencing it, I keep thinking about, I don't know, Cancun, when you go to Cancun, you're effectively flying to a casino on the beach. But like, it's perfect, air conditioned, you're completely isolated, they just hand you tequila for four days straight, right, and there's food and there's turtles on the beach, and it's quite lovely and beautiful. But you have no connection at all, to Mexico in that space. You have no connection to Cancun, no connection to the people, you might engage with a taxi driver from the airport to the massive resort that's on the beach. Right? And, you know, look, there is a time and a place. Sometimes that is the trip that is the vacation, but that's definitely not like travel. Right? And and when you instead go to a place with the intention of meeting people and experiencing their food, experiencing their culture, seeing how they live, all of that being revealed to you, man, it is a completely different experience. And you went to the same place.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Well, I think you know, some people that kind of itinerary and those kind of things make an area feel safe. And the irony is, a lot of the stuff that happens to people happens in the tourist area.Brad Crowell  Oh, yeah. Well Rolf talks about that, where it's like, where are the pickpockets going to hang out, they're going to hang out with the tourists are, (Lesley: Yeah) they know, (Lesley: They know) they know where you are. But if you walked 10 minutes to the side of where that tourist areas, you probably won't find pickpockets because they're not hanging out there waiting to find you.Lesley Logan  Do you remember, we found that really cool. What was the name of that restaurant that we go to? It's it's got the treehouse and the wine, the drink scope and the thing and we actually were in one part of the town. (Brad: Wild) Wild. Yes. So we were, we were in one ... (Brad: This is in Siem Reap.) where this interesting part wasn't WaPo was a neighborhood near WaPo. And, you know, we just gotten like our, you know, a massage and really went to a really sweet restaurant locally, like just they're trying to teach people how to make Cambodian food, it was really sweet place to to eat. And we're walking, or like, oh, what's down this hallway over here. So we go through this hallway. And it's it's not even it's like a, so it's not a hallway of a business. It's a hallway between businesses. And it's, well, it's got these lights, and it looked really cool. And we're like walking, walking, walking, we fell upon a entire restaurant (Brad: Oh yeah) that we had driven past for years, actually. But because when we drove past it, sorry for my dog, when we drove past it, that it was closed during the day. So we didn't know that on the other side of this gate was this beautiful evening restaurant that you can just go sit out there, these different parents we can like lay down. So if we hadn't, if we hadn't done like, see seeing where curiosity led us, we would never have not we love those owners. And they've done some (Brad: Yeah) amazing stuff.Brad Crowell  Yeah. So they're lovely couple, and they they're employing an incredible team. And also, PS, when your dad and I were there, we found a beautiful space just behind them, too. In another alleyway that again, if we hadn't been curious and just explored off the beaten path wouldn't have known was even there. (Lesley: Yeah.) So anyway, the idea of skipping the commercial travel. I'm not saying like maybe stay in the hotel, that's fine, especially if you are concerned about safety. But the truth is that you will, as long as you aren't like getting drunk and stumbling through the streets, just like in the United States, like you could get in trouble there too. (Lesley: Yeah) Not necessarily with the law, but like someone could come along and take advantage of you because you're not thinking you don't have it together. What if you've got your mind together, you're probably going to be just fine. Don't do stupid things. Don't get in a fight with people, don't be drunk and running around. And wherever it is that you're exploring, you know, chances are high that you're going to be just fine, especially when you're off the beaten path. Because really, they're just as curious about you as you are about them. (Lesley: Yeah) And I know you told the story about me with the ceremony ... in the bowl. (Lesley: I love that story so much.) It's it was so funny, but But I remember the first time that we went like I don't, it was so it was so incredible because they were just as excited that we were there as we were excited to be there. And that actually felt very warming to me. And I actually I wrote down something that Rolf said, he said, this holds true from Kansas to the other side of the world. If you take an interest in people, people will be flattered that you're taking an interest in them.Lesley Logan  It's true. (Brad: Yeah) We've talked about before, like, if you want people to be interested in you be interested in them. And like, it's kind of in Dr. Benders episodes, you talked about that. So we could talk about travel and Rolf all the time ...Brad Crowell  Well, I have one more thing I want to say. I have one more thing this is this is something that has, this is very much a passion. It's a belief of mine, actually.I am convinced with every fiber of my being with all of the experience that I've personally had traveling, that getting out into the world, traveling is the best possible thing that you can do to broaden your perspective, about life, about people, about places. It travel removes fear, it creates empathy, it creates curiosity, it creates connection, it's the best gift that you can give to yourself. It's the best gift that you can give to your family, your kids, when you travel, it will completely hijack the way that you were originally thinking. It will allow you to see people, are people everywhere, even though they do things differently than you do them. Or we do them. You get there and see. Well, I guess they've been doing it like this forever. So there's got to be something to that as well, even if it's not how I do things. And it has just changed the way that I see the world.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I agree. I concur on that. I think that's uh, I wish more people would would travel because I think that it would actually it would change their life for the better even if it was just us a small trip here and there, like doesn't have to be anything big, just even even going if you're in the states in going from north to south, south to north. (Brad: Yeah) Like it's really kind of incredible how that can change your perspective on yourself and on others. (Brad: Yes)Brad Crowell  All right. So finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Rolf Potts?Lesley Logan  I'm gonna go first. (Brad: Do it.) I'm gonna jump on in. So he said the dream trip you've been thinking about it, it really started me decide it's going to happen. So we talked about it a little bit briefly, but like it and so instead of saying someday, or like I have a dream to go in here, like, it can start now. It can start with you, you like thinking about the kind of trip you want to have when you get there and how long you want to be there. And you don't have to just like wait to plan it, you can actually start start it today. That way, if you fall upon a couple extra weeks, like what am I going to go do? I'm gonna go here? You know what I mean? I think we look at people who can pick up and go, we think, oh, must be so easy for them. No, they've just been thinking about it. They've been ...Brad Crowell  They've been, they've been, well, I think actually goes back to the question that we had at the beginning, and making that decision of just simply exploring what it actually like, actually, would costs, actually would look like, you know, my brother went to Belize with his wife when they did their honeymoon. And I thought, "That's amazing. I want to go to Belize." I've never even thought about going to Belize, and I didn't know that he thought about going to Belize, but they just looked into it and sure enough, they were able to make it happen and what an incredible opportunity.Lesley Logan  Yeah, and I I think you know I want it, I love that you took it back to the question. I really want people to be a part of being it till you see it is not waiting until it happens to do it. Like part of being it till you see it is is thinking about that dream trip as if it is happening and taking steps and tuning your eyes and ears to seeing possibilities for that trip to happen. (Brad: Yeah) And because that's what they do, we've talked about this before. So I think actually, his tip is actually such a be it till you see it thing. So I hope I hear takeaways on this because I would love to see pictures of you on your dream trip now.Brad Crowell  I love it. My biggest takeaway is kind of two ...Lesley Logan  You really loved this episode.Brad Crowell  It was great, this is really amazing. Give yourself permission. Okay, and then slow down and enjoy the experience. Okay, so with the permission, regardless of how I think especially, I was talking about those two different mindsets of travel, you either have like 800 things you need to do, what? Or you're like, I don't want to do anything, leave me alone. Give yourself permission for your trip to change. Okay for you not to do 800 things, for you not to just sit alone by yourself. What if it did, you know something cool could come along, or you meet another guest and they say, "Hey, we're gonna go have dinner down there on the beach, along the beach? Do you want to come with us?" Or, "Hey, we're gonna walk across town, just something fun to explore."Lesley Logan  I love this. I actually went ... I went to a soccer game, you know I don't like soccer. But I went in Brazil, because like they're so big on soccer. So I went to one of their professional things. And I was in this was a tour group that was put together. But I met this couple and I said, "Oh, what are you guys doing for dinner tonight?" And they said, "Oh, we're gonna go to one of those places where they serve food. And there's music. It's they have bossa nova." And I said, "Oh, okay, I'll meet you." So I ended up like, I took one plan thing, and I allowed it to create curiosity on the rest of the trip. And it was so much fun to do it that way. I would never have taken myself to that bossa nova and then I would have missed out on all the things that I learned there. So I do think it's (Brad: I love it.) important to do that. And we had done this. Remember when we found that that farm that had like the bikes and like, we had found that bison stuff and like we've had some meats, because we're just driving, we're like, "Oh, what's this over here? Let's take a pause on this drive. And like, go do that." And we found this coffee shop (Brad: Where we?) It was Colorado. (Brad: Oh, oh I was ... Cambodia.) And we found we found this (Brad: Yeah) coffee shop. And then you guys here's what's so crazy. Two years later, we're on this drive. And we left me severity, just need coffee. And we're driving like, Oh, I saw I saw the meet play signs. And I was like, "There's a coffee shop nearby." And he's like, there is like, we are next to it. It's right over here.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Also, too, you know, I think that we become, you know, we become trapped by our preconceived notion of our, of what our experience is supposed to be. Okay, and very short story. But my, my brother, and I got lost in Maui. (Lesley: Oh, yeah ...) But you know, I'm not going to tell the whole thing but short story, we were in a national park and we stepped off the path and we got lost in the jungle. And five hours later, we find our way back. Now, here's a lot of fear there for me and my brother, also from my parents and my family. Right. But my, my, some of the people in my family were so angry at us, because we made them miss another waterfall that was on the checklist of the itinerary on fucking trip. And I was like, "Okay, I'm alive. I'm glad I'm alive. B) definitely made a mistake. Didn't mean to do that. But really a waterfall that like you're angry because we miss the waterfall. Like, I get it. I want to see this stuff, too. But what if instead, the trip had changed, and something else really amazing happened?" Right? And I think that, you know, I think that we allow ourselves to get bent out of shape, as in that kind of moment. And instead of experiencing where we're at, and being present, and enjoying what's in front of us, we're like, "Damn it, I didn't get to this thing that was on my list. I missed this specific restaurant ... whatever." And, you know, that's like ...Lesley Logan  Do you know how many times... Japan, we've had amazing ... times.Brad Crowell  We still haven't been a damn fish market.Lesley Logan  And we have been to the fish market, nor have we been to the one sushi guy. And we keep trying. (Brad: Yeah) But we have never said, "Damn, we didn't go to the fish market." Like we just like ...Brad Crowell  I guess I'll just go home now. (Lesley: I guess ... go home.) No, it's like, "Well, what are we going to do instead?"Lesley Logan  Yeah, we did. We found some .... We did some really ... (Brad: Amazing stuff) We found that one amazing shopping area with great restaurants. (Brad: Oh yeah) We found the cherry blossoms there and like, you know we would have missed that.Brad Crowell  We found a little hole on the wall sushi bar next to the fishing market.Lesley Logan  ... Oh that guy was great. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah. And we would never and he had so much fun hearing about us and sharing about his restaurant and (Brad: Yeah) his family and like, we would not have gotten that the fish market. No. So anyways, y'all get Rolf's book if you have not experienced travel like this if you're like, "This all sounds too foreign to me." Good. Go get his book, read a page a day. If you want to be like Brad has her book kill... Brad because her book club around the first book. (Brad: Oh geeze.) I know he's like, "No, don't do that. I'm already doing the Pomodoro method from last week." Anyways, how are you gonna use these tips in your life? I want to know. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's really amazing. I can't believe this is episode 152. We couldn't do this without you.Brad Crowell  Yeah. 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Your dream trip is possible. In the words of someone who has been all over the world, Rolf Potts is here to share with us the authentic way that travel can enhance your life. Rolf speaks about the niche way traveling vagabond style changes your perspective. This episode is all about getting away from the itinerary or what we think will be the right way to do something and allowing fascination with the world to lead us. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:The path to travel writing and vagabonding.Allowing travel to teach you something instead of disengaging Get away from the itinerary and become fascinated by the world.The reasoning behind the daily readings of VagabondingHow micro-adventures lead to the habit of curiosityCreate rituals that make your dream trip possible Things to think about when getting off the beaten path in travelThe built-up idea of safety Are you traveling with habits from home? The importance of being present in travelEpisode References/Links:Rolf Potts websiteFollow Rolf on IGRyan Holiday's Daily Stoic  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Hey, Be It listener. Okay, so I'm smiling so big, because I just got to take a trip down memory lane and not with our guests because I just met him. But I, I didn't grow up traveling. And I really had all these thoughts around travel. I thought that it was expensive and I thought that it was difficult and I thought that it wasn't, that wasn't safe. And, and so I really, I didn't get on a plane till I was 18. And I didn't get a passport till I was in my mid 20s. And I really didn't do a big international trip until I was almost 30. And then the world opened up for me in a different way. And I saw it a different way. And I share that with you because our guest this week is Rolf Potts, and he is the Author of Vagabonding. He has a new book out called the Vagabond's Way. And it is 366 meditations on wunderlust, discovery in the art of travel. And it's a really cool book because you can read it as a daily habit like a, like a virtual book. You can read it back to back if you want. But as I was perusing my birthdate day and Brad's birthday, and these other days, I was, I was just inspired by all the different stories he has to remind you to not escape your life with vacation. And he'll say this in the episode but to escape into who you are. And my love is like being it till you see it is not just about taking action in your work. It's it, it's about becoming more of who you are meant to be. And when you travel, and I say this, from my own experience, and you can find your own words on your own trips. But the more I've traveled, the more people I've met. And the more I've experienced, the more I realize how cool and interesting this whole world is, and how much we have to teach each other, and how much we don't have to fear. I think we can have a lot of fears in our life. And when you get out into the world, and you see how different people are living and you see, a different things have been around for so long. You start to realize like how frickin cool this whole world is, and that you're part of it and you're unique part of it. And so here is an amazing conversation I had with an incredible travel author, Rolf Potts, and I hope it inspires you to plan something, plan anything, and I love his little story about microadventure. So maybe you can make that something that you plan this month. That doesn't really cost anything you'll hear, you'll hear in this episode, thank you so much for being a listener of us. Thank you for your reviews and for sharing this podcast and here is Rolf Potts.All right, Be It listeners. Hey, how are you? I'm really excited because well, our next guest has a total love for travel that I think exceeds mine and Brad's. And I'm really excited to share it with you. And because I really do think that getting out to the world is one of the best ways to learn more about who you are. It just really, really is. And as I read, Rolf Potts is our guest today, Rolf Potts is our guests and his book, The Vvagabond's Way, I think you really are gonna get that inspiration as well. So whether you feel the fear of travel right now, and you're not really going out, or you miss it like crazy, I think this is going to be a really fun conversation. So Rolf Potts, will you tell everyone who you are? And what what you're up to these days?Rolf Potts  Well, I'm a travel writer, and I have been for gosh, about a quarter century. I, like many people didn't travel much during the pandemic. But I got my first big international trip this summer. It was awesome. I went to Paris and Norway with my wife has familyin the Faroe Islands before coming back. So I'm, I'm still slightly excited and tired from a great summer trip.Lesley Logan  Oh my gosh, I'm so jealous. Yeah, I used to travel like eight to 10 countries a year for the last several years before the pandemic and I didn't grow up traveling. So I didn't actually my first big trip was to Brazil in 2012. And then when my husband I went on a honeymoon in 2015, that was my, like, I went to several countries at once. And I was like, "Oh my God, this is the most amazing thing. I've never done this before." And we never stopped. And then obviously, we all did. But what got you into being a travel writer? How does one do that just go one day, "I'm gonna write, I love traveling, I'm gonna write about it." How did you do that?Rolf Potts  If only it were that easy. I actually grew up not traveling much myself, I didn't have a passport until I was 25. Actually, my first big vagabonding trip was earlier than that. I lived in a van for eight months and traveled North America, this is back when you could go to Canada and Mexico without a passport. And then I thought, well, now I'm going to become a travel writer. So I wrote a book, which is a complete failure and complete failures of the best education actually. And then I just kept trying and kept trying, I was out of money. So I moved to South Korea to work as an English as a foreign language teacher, conversation teacher for a couple years. And I just, I just didn't give up. I just kept trying to be a travel writer until I became one. And then my first byline was in my late 20s. And my first book was in my early 30s. And I'm still doing it, even though the the media world has changed. One great thing about being a travel writer is that even if you are not rewarded financially, travel is sort of a reward in itself, you know. And so even if you fail professionally, in an attempt to be a travel writer. Hey, your billy prize is that you have these awesome travels that you can remember for the rest of your life.Lesley Logan  Oh, my God. 1,000% love that. I also thank you for sharing that journey. Because I do think like, when you as someone who's written a book, I'm not like, I'm not when I see a book written. I'm like, a lot of work went into this book. And a lot of people might see this book and go, "Oh, well, he's a travel writer wrote a book, of course, he's just like, it just all works out." And so thank you for sharing that. It didn't, (Lesley laughs) it didn't it took a little bit while. When you, can you first actually just for our listeners who might not know what a vagabond is. Can you just kind of explain that?Rolf Potts  Yeah, well, I Vagabonding is my first book and, and it's sort of what a lot of my readers know me for, it's about taking time off from your normal life, to travel in earnest. It's not just a vacation, but it's maybe taking six weeks, if that's the amount of time you can find or a year or half a year, or six years, whatever you can find to travel and make travel an active part of your life, not an escape from your life, but an escape into your life. And so I've been talking about that vagabonding style of travel for almost 20 years now. And I've written you know, four other books, but people still love to talk about the Vagabond ethos. And in the new book, The Vagabond's Way, I've sort of returned to that. And I've really used a quarter century of, quarter century, 25 years. Yeah ...Lesley Logan  Yeah, that's quarter century. Oh, my God ... When we think about it, you're like, "Oh, my God, that's 25 years." It's a quarter century.Rolf Potts  Yeah, no, 25 years of travel and thinking about travel and reading about traveling, obsessing about travel. And it also encompasses like, 3000 years of other people's travels, to sort of bring this wisdom and inspiration about travel into the new book. And yeah, so so there's, there's a lot of different stations in my journey as a travel writer, but it feels like this really, really aggregates the full breadth of my career so far.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So that's a really interesting way to describe travel as not an escape from your life, but something to like, enhance and be part of your life. And I think a lot of people when they think of vacation, they're like taking a break probably they are or what they do. And, and maybe that's mostly the Western culture, that is the US because I find people in Europe take all of August off. And I remember I worked in jewelry. And if we wanted to get this several designers orders, and we had to tell people you must order before July 15. Because otherwise, they're not going to touch it until late September. Like it's just not going to happen. Right? Or like, when you're dealing with people with any manufacturers in China, it's like you better get stuff on a boat before before New Year, otherwise, it's gonna take till March or April. So, I feel like a lot of people don't know that your travel can just be part of enhancement of, of your life. And what why do you think that is? And like how can people kind of retrain themselves into using their travel to teach them something about themselves by their escape?Rolf Potts  Well, I think they have to be willing to be open and to make mistakes and be messy about it. That's something you can appreciate it. We were talking before we're recording about Cambodia and how the best place to experience Cambodia isn't necessarily that five star hotel that insulates you from the country you've come to visit. It's actually maybe a homestay or just walking down the street until your day becomes more interesting than it was before. And so I think if you take nothing against the commercial travel industry, but if you see travel as a product that you buy, and you surround yourself with nice meals and air conditioning all the time, then it is going to be separate from your life. But you can, instead of escaping from your life escaping into your life is such a way that you really push the boundaries of who you are. And you challenge yourself in interesting ways on the road. And you you sort of integrate like, you integrate your hobbies, you know, like, if you like playing volleyball, well then find a volleyball game in Cambodia, you know, if you like cooking then find a way to cook a dish, and you don't even have to take a formal class, you can, but you can just find the grandma up the street and ask her how she's making her dish or Google Street front restaurant probably might not be used to a lot of Americans taking a curious interest in them. And so ask if you can hang out in the kitchen for a while and see how they do that. And really, the odds are that that's gonna happen, because again, you're not being a consumer of your travel experience. You're taking control of it. And you're following your heart and your interests and your curiosity.Lesley Logan  Oh, yeah. So one way we take messy action, y'all cuz you're like, "How do I do that with like travel? Like, there's things that need to be planned." So when Brad and I decided to go on our honeymoon, he wanted to go to Cambodia. And I was like, that's an interesting place to go on a honeymoon. Where else can we go with that? Because I was like, "I don't what are we doing there? I don't even know." And he was obsessed with this one National Geographic with the first one ever picked up was with the temples. And so we, we picked our flight to Southeast Asia, and then home from Japan, but not the flights in between. (Rolf: Nice.) And then, and then when we flew into Thailand, we picked our flights to the different islands wanted to go to. And we really did try to find the hotels that were more inside the villages or just different than what was like when you look up Google up a, like hotels near me, it's like, where are the ones that are not paying the ads? Like how do we get to like the closest to you? What's going on? And it is so interesting and to talk about cooking. That is a really easy way to go. And when you're in these different countries, like they love that I or I'm one of the only Westerners that comes by and gets the roasted bananas. I'm like, and I speak enough Cambodian to like, get, get the ones I want. And they're so they want to show me how it's done. Because it's very interesting. And I think it changes my life because it makes me realize like, how often do we get to share our gifts and the way that they get to share their as when we're when we're traveling. So I agree with the messy action. There's ways to do it without freaking yourself out. So, you want, I want to get to your book really quick. And then we can bounce around the world with our conversation. But why did you choose it to be a daily read because I really this is very fascinating to me. Of course, I read my birthdate and then I and then I like bounced to Brad's birthday. But I actually use that aggregate earlier. And it really is there's so many great quotes and stories from other people's travels. So how did you go about because that seems like a really big endeavor to find 366 things to write about?Rolf Potts  Yeah, well, I loved aggregating it, because it went beyond my own point of view. You know, I could talk about a guy who travelled in Japan in the 13th century, and he had experienced something very human about travel, or a guy who lived 3000 years ago is in Egypt, or a woman who traveled in an age in Europe when travel wasn't really proper for women. But her insights are relevant to today. Actually, the idea to have it in this format started during the pandemic actually met my wife during the pandemic. I have the weirdest pandemic love story. I was supposed to be traveling the world, she was supposed to be traveling the world, we both been in Kansas, which is where we were from. And we went from zero to let's get married very quickly. But in the mornings, and this is still a habit we have to this day, we sit on the deck outside of our house here in Kansas, and we read to each other. And so we read like Mary Oliver poems, or Thich Nhat Hanh daily readings, you know, the Buddhist teacher. And this became such a part of our habit, a habit and such a part of our joy during the pandemic, that I realized that I had accumulated all of this knowledge about travel, both from travel and from reading about travel that why not just do the similar thing, why not create a book about travel that people can read every day, either with a partner with themselves, or you can skip around or read several chapters at once. But I liked that this as a ritual and I wanted to create a book that was a ritual actually another book we read during the pandemic was Ryan Holiday's Daily Stoic, which literally each page is a different quote by a stoic and a reflection about that quote. And so I decided to do a travel version that would compel people to think deeply in sort of beyond that consumer level of travel for each day of the year. And if you don't, if you want to read it in less than a year, that's fine too. But to sort of create this ritual that even when people are at home, they can think about travel and how it inspires people and how it can change your way of being in the world.Lesley Logan  I mean, like it is, it is really cool. I I know, I know that people listening are they love the daily ritual, they love morning pages, some of them have different things that they they do their gratitude journals, and so I found this like, "Oh my God, this is something else they could do." I wonder you know, I think it's hilarious. You guys met in Kansas that is not at all where I pictured you being from. So (Lesley laughs) but I wonder like, for the person who you know, is gonna pick up this book, maybe they're not used to traveling alone. Or maybe they have fears around it. I mean, obviously, as they read this book, I think that those fears will be quelled, but like, what, what are some ways that people could be a vagabond without necessarily going on it, on a, I mean I want you to go to Cambodia with me, everyone. But what are some that you can do to like start that travel and escape into yourself like, what what would be those 101, 102 level travels that they could do?Rolf Potts  Well, you could throw open your door and walk out the door until your day becomes interesting. I often give that advice in the context of international travel, you know, get away from the itinerary and just walk in this new place and become fascinated by it. This is something you can do at home. And it's funny, I mentioned my my wife during the pandemic, when we couldn't really travel internationally. Like she has cousins in Norway, we couldn't go there. But there's a town on the Kansas prairie here called Little Sweden. So we decided to walk there, it's 22 miles away, it took us seven hours. But it was so fun. I've never, I've never experienced that 22 miles in that way before. I've ... it's always been racing by outside of a car. And so I talked to people and I saw little, little cow herds, and herds of horses that never even noticed before. And so I'm not saying that everybody needs to throw their door open and walk 22 miles, you could walk around the block, or you could go to another neighborhood and try a pub. I quote Alastair Humphreys, he calls these micro adventures, we're basically, instead of sleeping in your bed, you sleep in your backyard, instead of instead of going the same route to work every day you walk to work through a different route. And this is just a way of sort of getting the training wheels in a certain sense for the bicycle that is your long journey. And you just get into this habit of curiosity. And you start to dream about traveling, you start to anticipate further journeys, and you sort of give yourself permission, which in a sense, it's not really about making a ton of money, but it's making enough money to make a journey happen. And so permission is a huge part of it. And it's part of what a lot of those meditations are in The Vagabond's Way. But it's about slowly, even if you can't leave on a big international trip tomorrow. Creating rituals that make that big trip seem more possible.Lesley Logan  I am obsessed with this. This is like 100% being it till you see it like being the vacation and being the escape before you can actually get on the plane and, and you my husband, will listen to this, can we do a recap episode, but he would drive a new route to work every single day all the time, like (Rolf: That's great.) all the time. No, in LA, you pretty much want to do that because there's so much traffic or like, I wonder if this turn is gonna get me. Wunder if I'll find a new route here. But it is a way to get like to see parts of your own city that most people don't even know like. And we moved to Vegas in the pandemic and we didn't actually have a car. And people thought was so weird. Like, how do you live in Vegas with a car I'm like, "Well, you can walk places like it's not ... there's a sidewalks." It's not like LA there's actually sidewalks to walk on but but I found like living in a new city gave me that permission to have these little mini adventures because I didn't know anything. So I'm like, this is an adventure, you know. But we can do that today where we are and you are right. It's the permission part is the hardest part. Because a lot of people think that they have to wait and save up for the big trip. Or that if they're not going to some particular like known place that maybe it's not safe to go or maybe they need to be part of a group. And so doing those little micro adventures where they have to be resourceful, and they get lost, and they have to figure out directions is really a great way of practicing it.Rolf Potts  Yeah. I think oftentimes people think they need to get a big trip out of their system. And I thought this way when I was younger, you know, I thought that I would work hard my whole life and then retire from work. And then I could travel as I thought. But you know, my grandfather was a Kansas farmer. And he'd worked harder than anybody ever knew in my life. He started farming when he was 15. You know, he quit school to start farming at that age. Well, grandma had Alzheimer's by the time he was ready to retire. And I don't know that he dreamed of travel necessarily, but he just wasn't able to enjoy his retirement with a woman he loved in that way that he thought he might have. And so I realized when I was young, that I needed to create this time. And so my first vagabonding trip eight months around North America, I thought I would get travel out of my system. But I really just sort of learned that it's easier and safer and cheaper than I thought it would be. And you don't need to just have one dream trip and then be done with it. So I think that you can start by you're talking about solo versus group travel, you can go on a group trip that's one week long to Croatia, just to get a taste for things and odds are, you're gonna learn that you don't really need that group trip that these restaurants are available to anybody who walks up and asks for food, you know, and that you can actually stay longer you kind of want to stay longer and you can maybe find a way to spend a month or two on the road too. And so baby steps, I'm all for baby steps. (Lesley: Yeah.) I think sometimes we think I'm going to do my dream trip and then I'll have my dream trip. Well you can have a little lot of little micro trips that lead up to a dream trip and they will inform that dream trip that will make it so much more dynamic than you ever would have imagined when you're sitting at home dreaming about it.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I am, so similarly, I don't think I got my passport till I was a little over 25. Because yes, it was somewhere in my early 20s, that you ended up having a passport to leave the states to go into Canada or Mexico. So I had to get one. And I didn't really feel like it was on an international trip until I went to Brazil. Like I don't know why that felt like it's like it doesn't doesn't feel real if I can still drive there. So I flew in and I ended up doing Rio by myself, which was its own adventure. But one thing I did learn, that I didn't know is it doesn't have to be as expensive. And you mentioned that earlier. But like, if you like volleyball, find volleyball, I'm gluten and dairy free. So even just searching for restaurants that could offer those things took me off these beaten paths. And I found other bloggers who had traveled before me, who had said, "Go to this restaurant, they have gluten free stuff." And so I found myself at this art school in Rio, there was no one else that wasn't a local and I got to experience this beautiful place. It was this old mansion, and I went on this hike. And I had was able to hire a guy to walk me up to hike me up to Christ, the Redeemer versus take the tram up to Christ, the Redeemer. And I would never have had that adventure. Had I not like Googled something that was important to me while I traveled and found other people's trips and other people's like journeys and like oh, and it was so much easier than I expected. And, and I didn't realize that you could it didn't have to be the most expensive trip I made a could be something that I could actually afford. And I realized then I was like, "Oh, international travel isn't that hard, it felt hard because I hadn't done it." And then once you do it, you're like, "Oh, I could take, I could stay a little longer." So I have been back to Rio a couple times. And I would love to take Brad but we keep bouncing around to other places. So I had to share that because if you if you do have something specific that you can look up, there's something that you really love, you'll find things that are so unique, and you end up on these interesting corners in these cool places.Rolf Potts  Yeah, little missions are great. Like when I was in Rio, I tried to learn Samba. (Lesley laughs) And I was terrible, like it was I failed as a Samba guy, but sort of that emboldened me to go to clubs with a dance salsa, or Samba and to hire a tutor to teach me Samba. And she invited me to different festivals around town, you know, I sort of it gave me a community, which is really fun. And just those little details, gluten free, whatever if you give yourself a mission or a mystery to solve, then suddenly, you're in that neighborhood that isn't catering to tourists. It's cheaper. People are as interested in you as you are in them. And like every place there's these mysteries like in Rio when I was there, like mannequins in stores are curvier. Like the the beauty, the vision of beauty in Brazil is not sort of this super skinny thing that you see in mannequins in the United States. It's like, yeah, these these are bigger curvier mannequins. And that's cool. And so it's like, if you see a city as a mystery, or if you use a certain desire or interest or even a limitation, to explore the city through that way, you find all sorts of delightful surprises along the way.Lesley Logan  Yeah, but oh, my goodness, it's like, I'll tell you a really funny story. It didn't feel funny at the time but it's it's funny to look back to. So, in Thailand, you know, they have their little motor group of motorcycles and motos are like Vespas, basically, to pictures, everyone, and I would see like three or four people on these with the driver. And Brad and I are like, "Oh, well, we want to ride on one, the two of us," which like, he's six foot, I'm five, nine. Right. So so but we're like, because he has a motorcycle back in LA when we lived in LA. And so I rode on back, like, "Let's do it together." So it was our last day in Bangkok. And we had I love vintage shopping. So we every time we go international, we look for a vintage shop. And then I try to find something unique and amazing. And so we're off the beaten path somewhere random and just finished our vintage shopping, we see a guy on a moto that you could hire. And so we think that we're negotiating two people, one bike, and then both drivers each hand has a helmet and we're like, "Oh, well, I guess we got a really good deal on two people and two bikes, but that's fine." We'll go because we didn't want to disappoint the other person. So we get on the bikes. And we're driving through and my husband's driver goes left and mine goes straight. And I was like, "This is not okay with me. This feels very unsafe. This feels like brokedown palace. Oh my God what's that to happen?" And so your brain is like going these like mile a minute. And we stop at a stoplight and I was like, okay, hold on. If he was kidnapping me probably wouldn't stop at a stoplight. And I am tall enough to put my feet down. And he could just go and I could just be standing here. So if at the next red light Brad is not back, I'm gonna just do that. And so we're we're on this tour. We're just trying to find this one restaurant and I look over this is we have to poach a red light and I see in the glass my husband's moto come up behind me. And I was like, "Okay not being kidnapped today." And I don't say this is like scare anybody but it was just like, it's interesting, the adventures that could happen. And it's more like no one was trying to do anything evil. It's just my brain went there. And it was a hilarious thing, which my husband then pulled his phone out and recorded the entire drive to where we were going. But we, we saw a very unique part of town. And we tried to go on a little mini mission that went terribly wrong, but it's a story that we have. And I, I'm appreciative of it, because, you know, it's not every day that you get to go see parts of Bangkok and experience that life.Rolf Potts  Yeah, no, and you put yourself there's so much not knowing in travel, you know, there's so much like, this money looks like play money. I'm not really sure what's it. The you know, this street car in Bangkok has is serving what I think are grasshoppers, and I'm not sure and I'm going to try. Or, you know, my husband is not there. So where am I going? It really, it compels you to put trust in the kindness of strangers, and it's yields rewards almost all the time that you're just in a place where you're, you're like a kid again, like you're not really sure what's going on. You don't know all the words of the language. But and Thailand is a great example. That's a great starter city in Southeast Asia, you know, (Lesley: Yeah.) more so than Myanmar, Cambodia, just because good roads, it's a friendly place. You know, I just love that as an entryway into Southeast Asia or Asia in general. (Lesley: Yeah.) And it's pretty chill too. You know, there's I'm sure there is crime in the city. But the travelers I talked to felt pretty safe in Thailand ...Lesley Logan  Well 1,000%. Yeah, I mean, like I live, it's really funny what people think about safety because my brain did have that moment. And then it's like, "Wait a minute, this person would not stop at a stoplight if they were trying too" (Rolf: Just a good detail. Yeah.) You know, like, it's just like, really important. But like, also, you know, where you live right now and people who listen to this, listen, live all over the world. But gen general where are you live right now has its own issues of safety. And I used to live across the street from the federal building in Los Angeles. And we moved to Las Vegas, they were trying to put us in like take us to like suburbs. And I was like, "I don't this feels really weird. It feels very clean. This is a this actually feels really uncomfortable for me." Where where we are about out these houses like oh, it's an anon safe area. It's like, well, what does that mean? Because I grew I lived for seven years across the street from people like shooting up and getting drunk. I mean, like, like, what are we talking about? What's unsafe here, like "well some breaking in" and I'm like, that's fine. But I think we we can build up in our head, what safety and unsafety can be. And what you find out is most of these places, they're so excited to actually share their city with you. And as long as you're being a little bit more wise, then you know, you can experience some great places. But I would say yeah, Thailand was very good starter Southeast Asia. Cambodia, Siem Reap is a great place because it is very much about the tourism, but you get out to the countryside, you definitely want to hire someone, I wouldn't personally go by myself yet. I probably will now that I've been there 15 times. But you know, I think I think it's cool to put yourself in that space where you can be curious. And then also challenge yourself to see that well, people are really nice. Like you said, they're really kind. And we tend to not think about that.Rolf Potts  Yeah, I think oftentimes the the negative things that happens to tourists kind of happened in tourist zones. There's people there, the the scam artists congregate in tourists, I'm not knocking to reason there's, there's, there's a reason why, you know, Angkor Wat or whatever, (Lesley: Yeah.) it is a thing. It's amazing there, but, you know, they're used to tourists, and they realize that tourists are sort of have a lot more money than them. And so that's where the scams are, that's where the pickpockets are. And there's ways to defend yourself get against that. But if you sort of wonder like 600 yards off the beaten path, you'll be like, the first outsider they've seen in a long time. And there's there's no economy in you know, those people have no pickpocketing skills, they have no scamming skills. They're just like, this is the most interesting thing that's happened to me this week. Here's this is this pasty American wander around asking me questions about this food, and I'm gonna get grandma and we're going to we're going to teach her how to fix it. Right. (Lesley: Yeah.) And so that is, and actually, you're right, you know that well. And the logic that applies to any city in America applies to cities internationally, don't go to don't get drunk and go to dangerous neighborhoods at bad times of night. Use your common sense and be curious and be friendly and ask questions. And people it's so great. I mean, this holds true from Kansas to us out of the world. If you take an interest in people people will be flattered that you're taking interest in them (Lesley: Yeah.) and they'll share your life with you. It's the kindness of strangers just blows me away again (Lesley: Yeah.) and again.Lesley Logan  Yeah, so there's one one thing we did we do off the beaten path in Siem Reap is there's a pagoda that's way off the beaten path. It's beautiful like you would you would when we pull up it's not that they don't see buses because they come in on buses for the new moon and and the full moons for holidays. But I came in and it was a high holiday for them, and we went to offer the monks food because the monks cannot, for anyone listening to this, no, no, they cannot touch through there has not been offered to them. So food can be there, they can't eat it. So we go and we are trying, no one taught us anything. So Brad is like lifting up a spoon and he's lifting up the ball, like lifting anything. And we're just like, "Okay, I'm like, lifting up the soda, like all the things." But you do this amazing ceremony for them. And then we sat down. And because we were out weighing in the countryside, we were very, we were more interesting to them and they invited us for lunch. And we had this very, very, like normal for that side of town, that side of the country lunch, which is very interesting for us. And it was so cool to share that experience. And you're right, we probably were the talk of the town for a bit. And especially Brad, because he was with like four women in the country side.Rolf Potts  Yeah, I think I think I like that you guys weren't quite sure how the ritual went? Because especially in those areas, you're given forgiveness, you know, people will look at you and it's like, okay, this guy is doing the ceremony wrong. But he's clearly not from here. And I bet he is pretty cool. And so I've had great experiences like that in Myanmar and other on the other side of Thailand from from Cambodia. (Lesley: Yeah.) I've been to festivals, I write about it in the new book in The Vagabond's Way about during rainy season, when I thought everyone was saying, "Don't go to Myanmar that month, you know, it's gonna rain every day." Well, it rained every day. And that meant that there weren't that many tourists there. And that meant that everybody at Vagon, which is their big field of monuments, they were just they took more they had more time for me. Right. And, and that was the cheapest pitcher of beer I've ever had. It was about 40 US cents. (Lesley laughs) It was nice, delicious pitcher of beer. And and yeah, it's funny how you get two travelers in a room together. And one story sparks a story for them. (Lesley: I know ...) So your your Cambodia story reminds me of my Myanmar story. And it was it was delightful.Lesley Logan  We wanted to go there so much. Um, so you, you mentioned that so in the book, you have like you said, you went to Myanmar on the season when some people said not to go. So what are some other tips that you have kind of maybe you shared in the book, but like, what are some things people can think about that are probably off the beaten path. So traveling, maybe not, when it's normal, maybe getting out of the tourist areas, because it probably is a little safer. And there's more interesting things, and people are more interested in you, and you can be interested in them. What else do we have?Rolf Potts  Well, I don't want to knock the beaten path too much, because it's beaten for good reasons I talk about desire trails, like there was this German scholar who's he couldn't figure out why there are all these shortcuts across the college green where he was studying. And so he had the landscaping department resod it and then a couple months later, they come back with their desire trails that those are the those were stewards, students wanted to go, those were the shortcuts. So the beaten path is beaten for a reason. But you don't have to go that far from the beaten path to find something that is more authentically, French, or Thai or Ugandan than what is right in the tourist district. And it's really about giving yourself permission and thinking, well, if I can buy this plate of food for $10, on the tourist trail, I wonder if I can get it for a fraction of that price, like a 10 minutes walk in this direction. And so really just realizing that there's no prescription you can, you can sort of do what you want. You're in a city full of people who live here and who have to buy clothes and have to buy food. And you can go into those non prescribed tourist neighborhoods. And in addition to having more spontaneous experiences with people who have time for you, you also save money, you know, staying in hotels where local people stay rather than staying in the big giant air conditioned complexes. And so really, it goes back to a word I come back to, again is permission, give yourself permission to take that trip, give your permission, yourself permission to take time and give yourself permission to just sort of follow your curiosity instead of your itinerary.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I am. It made me think of like, one of the things that I love about travel is we don't, we don't often we don't actually upgrade our phones to allowing us to take in calls unless we're on Wi Fi, wherever we are. And so what I love (Rolf: Great strategy.) because you can get very present. And you know, now you can download Google Maps on your phone, zoom in really quick and then zoom out and it will stay on whether you're online or offline. It's really easy, but but we I really love it because that walk from my house, even in my own village where I stay, or I have our house. I that walk from my house to where I'm going to go get my coffee that morning. And that coffee shop does have Wi Fi, it's 15 minutes long river no one can get a hold of me, no one can ping me. I can't be distracted. I can't be scrolling. So I only can take in how the city has changed since the last time I was there. And I think like it's so if you can do it, it's so worth doing because even when I was in Australia, which everyone speaking English, it kind of like was a Melbourne it's not actually like a very I mean it's a beautiful city to me. It's new but it wasn't like this unique thing, it looked like New York. Right? But not having any Wi Fi forced me to like look around and get curious in a place where I could make a lot of assumptions. And I find that to be a very cool thing to give yourself permission to do like, just, you'll get on Wi Fi, there's Wi Fi everywhere, you just gotta go pop and ask a question, but it allows you to get stay more present.Rolf Potts  Yeah, getting out of your smartphone habits is huge, because those are habits of home. Like when we're bored at home, we pick up our phone, when we when we, when we're lonely at home, we pick up our phone, but you've paid all this money go to the other side of the world, and you sort of had the same instincts, you're bored for 10 minutes in Melbourne or Cambodia, and you're looking at your phone, really? So that's a great strategy is just not buying the data and not being reachable. And my wife this summer did one step further. We were in Paris, and she decided she was going to use an old school paper map. And so while we had Wi Fi, when we were in the house, we were staying, she she did have to research the restaurants she wanted to go to but then she drew a little a little dot on the map and we used our paper map to find our way around Paris. And we weren't distracted. If we saw something beautiful and took a picture, we couldn't text it to our friends or posted on social media. That paper map forced us into a sort of presence in Paris. That was really delightful. And it's a good it's a good travel hack in a way just like yeah, don't buy the data plan. Don't, don't be reachable. Find a way to cut yourself off because you've paid good money and you've dreamt about this place. Be there. Don't distract yourself with your phone. Don't text somebody else. Don't post on social media. Just take that time in the middle of the day when you're not connected to Wi Fi and commune with the city, commune with the place where you've come so far to be.Lesley Logan  Yeah, oh my gosh, I like I need to get on a plane right now. Somewhere somewhere cool. So your books amazing. I'm I'm am doing the daily parts, because that's why you wrote it. And I kind of like I it's not going to be every day that I can get on a trip. But I do want to give myself permission to dream about them or find mini micro trips. So thank you for writing this and bringing this to us. Is there anything else people should know about this amazing book you wrote?Rolf Potts  Well, just that that it's a daily reading book, but you can use it. You can you can skip around, you can start with your birthday, you can start with Christmas, you can do whatever it's, it's not prescriptive. It's basically 366 ideas about travel and how it can enlarge your life. There's an ethos to the book, but it's not a prescriptive ethos. And so find your own way of being a traveler and pick it up. As I say in the introduction, if after reading a few chapters, you fling it aside because it doesn't fit in your luggage for a trip you've decided you can no longer postpone. Well, then it's done its job, right. (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah, and so ...Lesley Logan  I love that. You were, and when I read that I was like, "Genius." And I and I love that you gave another permission slip for people to not finish the book before they they hit the road.Rolf Potts  Absolutely not a requirement at all.Lesley Logan  We're gonna take a brief break and find out where people can find you follow you learn more about traveling with you.Alright, Rolf, where do you like to hang out? Where can people buy your book? What's what's going on?Rolf Potts  Well, I'm an old school author, website guy, rolfpotts.com, which I've owned since 1998, is still the best place to find about my work. All of my books, articles. It also links to my social media accounts at @rolfpotts on Instagram or Twitter, although I don't use social media a ton, but it's a good starting place, I guess. And you can ask for it at your favorite bookstore, you can buy it online, but I'm a big fan of independent bookstores. And so call your local store and say, "Do you have this book?" And if not, "Why?" Because I'm curious, and to be inspired about travel.Lesley Logan  Oh, I love that. And I too, I think like small bookstores, thank goodness for them because they keep neighborhoods interesting and curious as well. Okay, so I am jealous that you own your url because mine mine is actually owned but I think a travel writer, (Rolf: Okay.) write my name.Rolf Potts  Well, I have a weird name. Is not many Rolf Potts is in the name ...Lesley Logan  I know, shockingly, Lesley Logan with an E Y has been taken before which I was like, "Oh, I know. I know." Anyways, it's okay. That's why there's .co. Okay, be it till you see it action item. So bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take from this episode, what do you have for us?Rolf Potts  Well, one thing is that that dream trip that you've been thinking about it, it really starts when you decide it's going to happen. Even if you don't have enough money or, you know, the wherewithal for a couple of years that I once you've decided it's going to happen and that you're not going to make any more excuses, then it becomes real. And psychologists say that the pleasure of travel starts in the anticipation phase. And so that's a fun thing. Even when you're working hard maybe you don't even like your job but you're saving money you're saving X number of dollars every week for this trip that you've been dreaming about. The trip is started in a certain way, it becomes real the moment you decided to make it happen. That's that's one of my pieces of advice. And it's it's a very optimistic one because how fun is that that your trip decides once you decided it's going to happen? Right? (Lesley: That's amazing.) Yeah. Tied into this a little bit is the second one which is make plans, research your trip travels, to your tier delight, it's good to be prepared but it's also good to throw out your plans when you're inspired by the place where you've arrived in. I think sometimes we plan our trips too carefully. And it's like, well, I sort of want to do this cooking class, or I want to go to this place that all the travelers are raving about. But my itinerary says, I should go here. So I'll probably go here. No, that's fine. Give yourself permission. Regardless of how detailed your itinerary is, give yourself permission to throw it away, the moment you find inspiration. And oftentimes you find inspiration, five minutes after you walk off the plane and you smell this new place. Right. So find that balance between making plans and then breaking those plans from inspiration. And my third tip, and this applies to everything in travel is just slow down. I know you're gonna have like 50 things that you want to do in a place like Cambodia, or Italy, or Peru, or wherever you go. But don't try to pack them into a small space, let your days breathe, slow down and realize that even having lunch on the other side of the world is a travel experience. Even if it's not on your bucket list this restaurant that you didn't know about until 10 minutes before and it's kind of delicious. Allow yourself to slow down, enjoy that place. And as much as traveling through the place, let that place travel through you a little bit just just sit still and be present in that place. And that's really comes with the permission to let yourself slow down and enjoy yourself.Lesley Logan  I I pictured myself in seven different places, as you were saying all those things. I love them so much. Y'all how are you going to use these BE IT action items in your life? How like, let us know. So you can tag @rolfpotts, you can take the @be_it_pod. Share this with a friend who you wish you could go vagabonding with or or or has had a trip on their mind that they haven't taken action on because you know, it really is an escape into yourself. I love how you put that Rolf, you have an amazing way with words which is why you're a writer. But also this has been a very fun conversation me to picture all the places I've been and the places I want to go. So thank you for this and everyone until next time, Be It Till You See It. 'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'. Brad Crowell  It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.Lesley Logan   Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.  Brad Crowell  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. 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