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Every business transaction has hidden tax opportunities waiting to be discovered, if you know where to look. This week on the IC-DISC podcast, I spoke with Mike D'Onofrio from Engineered Tax Services, who's spent 17 years helping business owners maximize their tax strategies through engineering-based specialty tax services. Mike joined ETS after working in corporate M&A and private equity, where he first recognized the critical need for specialized tax expertise during business transitions, and what struck me about Mike's approach is how his firm combines professional engineering expertise with tax strategy to deliver comprehensive solutions. They handle everything from cost segregation studies and energy incentives to insurance optimization, processing hundreds of cost segregation studies weekly across every property type imaginable. Mike's philosophy centers on what he calls "HABU" - highest and best use - focusing on their core expertise while partnering with specialists like us for complementary strategies that create immediate opportunities for businesses to improve cash flow. The conversation reinforced something I've noticed across successful advisory relationships: the best results come from specialists who stay in their lane while building collaborative teams. Mike's emphasis on maintaining human intelligence alongside technology adoption resonated with my own experience that relationships still drive business success.     SHOW HIGHLIGHTS ETS processes hundreds of cost segregation studies weekly, from single-family rentals to NFL stadiums, proving tax strategies scale across all property types. The recent bonus depreciation bill plus R&D tax credit enhancements now allow 100% first-year expense capture, creating immediate cash flow opportunities. Mike's "HABU" principle (Highest And Best Use) drives their decision to stay specialized rather than compete with partners in overlapping services. Engineering expertise combined with tax strategy creates unique value—ETS knows roof types, electrical systems, and construction costs that insurance carriers demand. After recognizing insurance as clients' second biggest pain point after taxes, ETS launched a complementary insurance division leveraging existing property data. Mike advises his 25-year-old self to surround himself with people much smarter, crediting uncomfortable situations with experts as his greatest learning opportunities.   Contact Details LinkedIn - Mike D'Onofrio (https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelfdonofrio/) LINKSShow Notes Be a Guest About IC-DISC Alliance About Engineered Tax Services Mike D'OnofrioAbout Mike TRANSCRIPT (AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors) Dave: Good morning, Mike. Welcome to the podcast. Mike: Good morning, Dave. Great to be here with you today. Definitely. Dave: So where are you located at the moment? What part of the world are you in? Mike: Yeah, well, I'm in my home base today in Charlotte, North Carolina. Dave: Okay. Mike: Yeah. I've always liked Charlotte, a pretty part of the country. Charlotte's a beautiful place, man. I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio. Great school, high school, college, so I know the Midwest and I still love Cleveland, of course, a Browns fan and a Indians guardians fan and Cavs. But moved to South Florida right after that, right after college and was living in Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach, and we're still based there. Our corporate acres is there, but my wife and I had originally met in Charlotte, and we love the seasons. I love the ability to, I see those mountains in your background. I love the ability, we don't have the same type of mountains as you do, but love getting out to the Blue Ridge and Smoky Mountains, seeing the fall, the leaves, and can get to the beach, can drive down to Wilmington or Charleston in a couple hours. So we're right in the middle. We're bus to be here and have the Dave: Options. Yeah, it's a great location. You have four seasons and a slightly milder winter than Cleveland, Mike: That's for sure. It seems like winters have softened up a little bit in Cleveland, but man, I remember the mornings going out to the bus when I was a little kid with snow piled up over my head and the drifts up on the side of the house. I'll never forget those days. That was awesome. That was a real winter. But now in Charlotte, if we get a dusting of snow or a little bit of ice, it's usually gone by noon. Dave: Yeah. I was born and spent the first 13 years of my life in northwest Iowa and was the oldest of two boys. So I remember having to get up an hour early to go shovel the driveway just so mom and dad could get to work in that. So yeah, my saying is the worst Texas summer is still better than the best Northern Winter is my theory. Mike: You got it, man. High five to those of us that have shoveled snow driveways, walkways, figured out a snowblower with the chains on the wheels and all that fun stuff that comes with winter. Dave: So by some people's interpretation, we come from the same place because I've discovered people not from the Midwest, they think Ohio, Iowa, and Idaho are all the same place. Mike: Yeah, Dave: They're just all somewhere up there. Yes. It's up Mike: Somewhere up there in the Midwest. Folks like myself grew up in Ohio and Cleveland and Detroit and Chicago. I mean, definitely they think that's the heart of the Midwest, but they forget about the Midwest. Goes pretty far west. Right. Dave: It does. All the way to the mountains. So, well, let's get into it. So when did you join engineered tax services? Mike: Wow, it's been a big part of my life. Exciting journey. Like I said, after college I moved down to South Florida and my background was in more corporate m and a private equity working on the finance side of things in transactions, in private equity back in the day, they would call it kind of strategic intermediary work where we would either work on the buy side or sell side with the client. So I worked with a lot of clients and business owners that were maybe interested in transitioning out of their business. Maybe they were a food manufacturer or distributor. And interestingly enough, one of my mentors in life, his name is Bruce. Bruce was one of the first international CEOs with McDonald's corporation. Oh, really? Yeah, one of Ray Croc's, first five or six right hand key people. Before McDonald's had any international business, the first place that they went outside the US was to Latin America and the Caribbean. And I met Bruce in South Florida my early career, and we really saw an opportunity together, old school style, to go through his Rolodex and be like, man, I have a lot of relationships within the McDonald's and the finance ecosystem. So we started working with many different company owners, like I said, distributors, producers of different things, and we had some great success. And along the way I saw that there was really a need to understand specialty tax credit and incentives and strategies depending on who the client was, whether it was the seller of a company or a property or buyer of that was really to dig into the details of, Hey, what's the best way to make this transaction as tax efficient as possible? Tax was always the first pain point, either from the seller's point of view, maybe there was a big potential cap gain situation, how to structure that deal or from the buyer or investor's point of view, how to maybe capture some additional credits and incentives that they hadn't thought about, like research and development tax credits, or maybe there was a big piece of real estate or property involved in the transaction, like a manufacturing facility or office buildings or retail locations. So while digging in deeper in some of those transactions, I met Julio Gonzalez in Engineered Tax Services. She's going on 17, 18 years ago, and it was a small boutique firm at the time, engineered tax, and we were very focused on serving CPA firms nationally as that specialist. And I saw a great opportunity to really become a more diverse, focused specialist, and not only help CPA firms, but help private equity, the real estate investor, anything in that transaction to really help understand the tax code for the bonus depreciation or energy credits and incentives. Sure you do. Maybe they do domestic or international type of trade in that business, and there's a structure that might be a little bit more savvy than they're familiar with. So man, 17, 18 years ago is when I started with ETS, and we've grown substantially over the years from a handful of people in a small boutique firm in downtown West Palm Beach, Julio, and myself and Kim and Heidi and others, though I think pretty well, and we've really expanded, and so now not only still working with those CPA firms nationally, to be that specialist working with other professionals like you of really just how to maximize each transaction, understand the inevitable changes in the tax code with the different administrations. There's the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, Trump 1.0, 2.0, what happened just now in July with a big beautiful bill, but the CARES Act, the Path Act, the previous tax Cuts and Jobs Act, the CHIPS Act, whatever the stimulus plan or new tax incentive of the day was. That was our job to really dig into that, be a great job educating around that and bringing it as proactively and transparently to the CPA community as well as the investors and owners. Dave: Yeah. I became acquainted with ETS and about the same time you did, and Julio invited me to South Florida and gave you the tour of the cool office building that you all rehabbed. Mike: Yeah. Then he was Dave: Kind Mike: Enough to, was that the one on a Vernia Street when he had just purchased it? Was it, Dave: I forget the street. It was like maybe a six story old building Mike: That's still his building and our corporate headquarters on the corner of Vernia and Olive for any of you that are down in West Palm Beach, and we'd love to show you around. It's a cool building. Dave: And then he was kind enough to host me at a Dolphins football game. Mike: I remember those days. Right. Dave: And for whatever reason, he was considered a bit of a VIP by the Dolphins, so I was able to go down on the field before the game, and I think I even had a photo taken with a Dolphin's cheerleader on each side of me that for whatever reason, it never made it up on the wall in our house. I'm not sure why, if that would've been a problem with my wife or now with a photo of two Dolphins cheerleaders hugging me, Mike: Dave, I think I have different versions of the exact same picture with myself and some friends. I have a great one with myself and my dad. Maybe we'll use some technology and pop some of those pictures up for others to see when you publish this podcast, or maybe we'll just keep those private for ourselves. But yeah, we used to Julio's involvement with the Dolphins and the family behind the scenes. We did. We did some amazing, not only professionally working with those types of property owners and venues, we did the cost segregation study on the Miami Dolphins Stadium when it was renovated. Dave: Oh, Mike: Yeah, I remember that. And a lot of others, Broncos, Cleveland Browns, Miami Dolphins. I did some work on the Bridgestone Arena in Nashville, the Superdome in New Orleans, the Raiders facilities, the Buffalo Bills not allowed to give out any confidential information, but everybody's looking to save in tax and take advantage of whatever strategies are available in the code. But personally, obviously, we love sports and entertainment and being able to build the relationships with our clients, so we had a very cool double founder suite there in those early days that we used to all meet in West Palm Beach, have some fun on the Saturday, take the bus down on the Sunday morning. Yeah. We did that for years, and we still do some of that in Miami and in some different cities. I'll be doing some of it in Charlotte. But yeah, man, those were fun times. We really built amazing relationships still with clients today that actually, I saw a client yesterday that said, Hey, Mike, I was at the Green Bay game. I remember when we were down on the field and one of the Green Bay players said, hi. He is like, Hey, man. That was a childhood legend of mine that I'd always wanted to meet. And then of course, that's really cool. Sometimes we got to meet what Dan Marino and folks down in the tunnel in the Dolphins. Dave: Well, the other cool thing was Julio intentionally picked a Monday night game that he invited me to, so that made it even more fun. National game. Mike: Oh, yeah. Makes for a late evening getting home, that's for sure. Dave: It does. And so I just have to warn you, Julio was a guest on the podcast about three or four years ago, so he set the bar pretty high, so no pressure my Mike: Oh, yeah, none at all. But I Dave: Know being a former athlete, you're probably a little bit competitive, so I'm sure you'll want to point out to Julio that you think you did a better job. Mike: Yeah, just a little bit, Julio, and we spend a lot of time together. We were together yesterday in Fort Lauderdale at an event with a great mix of clients and we're real competitive from a business aspect, obviously wouldn't be great for our clients. He was a wrestler in his younger days. That was also a wrestler, really just to stay in shape for baseball. I was a baseball player. I think you had asked me before, I always keep a couple baseballs around my desk. I like to futz with them when I'm working here in the office, but think about the different strategies, whether you need to throw the curve ball or the fast ball or the riser, whatever it is. I think about just those different grips and strategies. So yes, I'm a bit competitive, to say the least. Dave: Sure. I know the firm has grown. What's your elevator pitch today? When people ask who ETS done, who ETS is and who do they serve? Mike: Well, engineered Tax and Advisory had the advisory portion of it as well, because that's engineered tax services been around a long time. We're really good at doing the specific engineering based services that the CPAs or the property owners need to get the bonus depreciation or the energy credits and incentives onto the tax return. So that's doing the cost segregation study as a licensed professional engineering and specialty tax firm, we've been doing those for going on 24 years or doing the energy analysis or helping with, like you do, calculate the construction costs, the transfer costs, the sales tax, the property tax. That's what engineered tax services is excellent at doing as that specialist as that. Dave: I'm sorry, that's more than just cost segregation though, right? Mike: Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's cost segregation and bonus depreciation available on real estate, new construction purchases, renovations. So we're very involved. We do hundreds and hundreds of cross segregation studies a week across the country on all different types of assets from smaller single family investment properties and VRBO to manufacturing facilities and multifamily and apartments and hospitality and everything you could imagine up to different sports and recreation stadiums. But that's one subset of what engineered tax does that. Then there's the energy incentives and credits, the 1 79 D, the 45 L, the investment tax credits for renewables like wind and solar and geothermal and turbines and other types of things. But on the advisory side, we work it backwards. That's more the consultative approach with the clients to figure out what is the need. Maybe there's a liquidity event with a business owner that's selling a business. Maybe there's a capital need from an acquisitions point of view or an expansion point of view where some of the IC disc strategies might come in. Maybe they're wondering about opportunity zones or enterprise zones or historic tax credits or preservation and conservation type strategies, or buying equipment or a jet and aviation strategies. Because all of those things that I just mentioned, there's either a specialty tax component with bonus depreciation or section 1 79 or an actual tax credit, like research and development tax credits. We help bring it all together as a very experienced and comprehensive specialist around the tax code, anything available, federal, state, local incentives, credits, rebates, working with the CPAs, working with professionals like you, working with the high net worth or the company owner. That's what we pride ourselves in, is being very comprehensive depending on what the opportunity and the need is for the client. Dave: Okay, and speaking of clients, do you think of the CPA firm as your client or the actual end user or both? I think because done a really good job cultivating those CPA firm relationships. Mike: Yeah, Dave, that's a good question. I first and foremost see the CPAs as our client, but also our strategic partner because remember, we're a specialist. We don't do the full accounting audit and tax filing work for the client. We sit in the specialist seat. I explain it all the time to my friends and new clients when they're trying to figure out what we do. If I was in the medical profession, we would be a brain surgeon or a heart surgeon or some other type of specialist within medicine that works together with the general practitioners and others in medicine on the tax code and helping with the tax literacy, the tax strategy, the specialty credits and incentives like icdisc. How do we bring up those types of situations and opportunities? Usually it's working with that CPA firm to identify the client need and then being comprehensive and entrepreneurial with that client. So long-winded answer to that is both. I see the CPAs as both our client and our strategic partner in situations, but definitely once I work with the company owner or the investor, they're also ultimately our client. So I need to deliver at a high level to both the CPA and both the client, or if I meet the client directly and you are the company owner that's asking us questions about a situation or a strategy, we push to be introduced to the CPA to make sure that we're collaborative, attacking that strategy from the beginning and become a great compliment to the CPA service so they can focus on what they do best, the accounting audit or tax type or bookkeeping type work that they do, and then just like you really helping to layer in that specialty strategy that maybe they're not as familiar with or really just need some help from a bandwidth perspective. Dave: Sure. I've come across other firms that do some of the same services you all do. And what do your clients and CPA firms tell you that makes ETS different and why they have chosen to partner with ETS over another firm? Mike: First of all, I think about that all the time. That's a question that comes up often. When we started 24, 25 years ago, there was very few firms that were doing some of the things that we do there. There were CPA firms that did cost segregation studies, but usually that was the higher level firms, the Deloitte, the KM KPMGs, the E and Ys, excellent high level firms, but they were really only doing it for their higher level corporate type clients as we democratize the tax code and brought that tax strategy to middle market type businesses, entrepreneurs and investors, the strategy there was really to work as comprehensively with different types of as possible. And the difference to me is first of all, our longevity and our professionalism and our diversity of the type of services that we're doing uniquely as a licensed professional engineering firm that also does specialty tax credits and incentives. That's one of the biggest differentiators to me is we are a licensed professional engineering firm. The type of engineering that we do is cost engineering, looking at the cost of an acquisition, the cost of a purchase, the cost of a new construction of a property, and be able to break that down into accounting and tax format that the CPAs can then use. So that's where the hybrid of the engineering expertise and specialty tax expertise, so that unique structure of our firm, that unique ability to do multiple things and also have the energy incentives team in-house where if it's a new construction of a property or a big value add, repositioning, not only can we do that cost segregation study, we can comprehensively do that energy tax credit and incentive analysis. We have to do energy modeling. That's pure engineering type work, doing the energy incentive modeling to see what the energy efficiency of those components are. Or on a renewable energy project. We have a client that's building a really big mixed use project that has some geothermal investment tax credits there. Those are pure engineering and energy efficiency type knowledge that we're able to bring comprehensively. So it's really the comprehensive approach of bringing engineering specialty tax energy incentives and credits. We also have an insurance division, which is very unique for our industry because I knew years ago that the second biggest painful point for our clients after tax figuring out tax minimization strategies is how do they lower costs and make sure they're protected from an insurance standpoint? And we do have a part of our firm that is engineered insurance services to compliment engineered tax services. We already have all the, Dave: Yeah, tell me about the insurance company because I'm less familiar with that, and when did you start it? Are you licensed in all the states? Mike: Yeah, we are. We've been quietly developing that over the last couple of years. I said, my background's from Cleveland, Ohio. Coincidentally, the firm that we partnered with is based in Cleveland, Ohio. When we formed a new entity together, engineered insurance services, went back to all the different carriers and got relicensed with all the top national carriers, all the names that folks would know well. So now as a nationally licensed insurance agency and brokerage firm, we focus on property casualty liability, cyber risk, flood, E and O, D and O, all the things that every company and every property owner needs. But we can do it comprehensively and uniquely because we're already doing the cost segregation studies on a lot of these properties. So we know what the cost basis is, we know what kind of roof it is, we know where it's located. We know the age of the electrical system and all the situations with the property, and also that owner, how they operate that property. That's what, just like the IRS with cost segregation study, they want to see the details and then yes, you can capture the benefits of bonus depreciation. The insurance carriers, they want to write insurance policies at very competitive rates, but they want to see it in detail. They want to understand that building. They just don't want an estimate that a broker submits to them. So we've had amazing success over the last year and a half of rolling out that program, doing it comprehensively with what we're already doing for that client. Dave: That's really, Mike: That's the other reason that we're very unique compared because there are some great firms that do cost segregation or that might do an energy analysis or that might do a research and development tax credit study, but very few firms, if any, that know about really take that comprehensive approach to be able to do tax energy insurance and the specialty consulting with engineered advisory with what we're doing, And it resonates. It really resonates with clients because I feel like they really need someone that is, first of all, thinking entrepreneurially like them, because sometimes they're not getting it from maybe their legal team or their CPA team or their other advisors that they're working about taking that entrepreneurial approach, taking that proactive approach before the end of the year or before that renewal term for that insurance policy or before that building gets purchased or before the renovation happens, what should they be thinking about? And that's what I really try to work on with our team and our clients is be very proactive, be very transparent of the good, the bad, the ugly of different situations that clients should consider and then always be thinking entrepreneurially like our clients do because they appreciate it with your business and what you do with IC disc. Sometimes folks just haven't heard about it or they don't understand it, or they didn't do something proactively and now they're trying to unwind a situation, but I'm really excited about what we do. If you can't tell, I think, No, it definitely comes, the future is very strong, especially with the passage in July of Trump's, I call it the big beautiful bonus depreciation tax bill because bonus depreciation and section 1 79 enhancements for equipment and other things and other things that will be, I think, expanded with opportunity zones and research and development tax credits. The way that they also just enhanced that program as well. Many folks don't understand it yet because there was a requirement to amortize some of the expenses of r and d over five years, but now you get the research and development tax credit plus a hundred percent of the qualifying expenses being able to be captured year one, so that's very powerful for US companies. Dave: Yeah, no, that is great. And one of the other things that I appreciate about you all is that you all really stay in your lane. I feel like on the tax side, there's other firms that do cost and r and d that have just broadened their tax focus even more broadly, pick up things like the IC disc. So it's hard for me to get excited about referring a cost segregation study to a firm that does IC disc, so I've always, Mike: Yeah, it's a bit of a competitive overlap in those situations. Dave: Yeah, yeah. It's a less comfortable introduction. Mike: We have a saying within our organization, we call it habu, right? Highest and best use, what is my highest and best use? What should I be focused on doing for that client? My highest and best use is not trying to understand and replicate your service around icdisc. The best situation is for me to recognize opportunities and then bring in David and his team to implement a strategy for the client and the CPAs like that as well, because we're not trying to do what they do. We're just trying to compliment different situations, be a specialist at what we're really good at, and in our engineered advisory platform. That's where I can bring in you for the IC disc. I might have someone else that I'm working with if that client's buying an aircraft, for example, of how to legally structure it correctly, how to maximize the tax benefits, and I want to be an amazing, whether you want to call it an offensive coordinator or quarterback, that I might be throwing the ball sometimes. Other times I might be passing it off to somebody else, but I want to build a great team so that we're successful at the end for the client. Dave: Sure. No, that's certainly been my experience with you guys. What do you love most or enjoy most about your current role with ETS? What really gets you excited? Mike: Well, my title, I'm not big on titles, but it's managing Director of Engineered Tax and Advisory. So technically what that title means is I direct and I manage, I direct high level client relationships and strategic partnerships and strategies and new product development. I also help manage our, I work together with our executive team to help manage our executives across the country, either if they're in business development, some of them obviously are in engineering or other specialties within our firm or the legal team that does some structuring work for clients, but that's what I do. My favorite part of what I do is the relationships that I'm building with the clients. It might be a brand new relationship. It might be one from 15, 20 years ago, but it's watching that. Yeah, it's watching that CPA firm grow or helping that CPA firm grow and expand or diversify their services or meeting that entrepreneur that has a business and they're trying to understand the tax code, how to lower taxes, how do I increase cashflow? What are the risks or pitfalls, and really working with that entrepreneur or that business owner together with that ccp. That is my most favorite part of what I do, because I'm an entrepreneur at heart. I got it from my family, my mom and dad. Were always very entrepreneurial, but it's hard. You can't do it yourself. It takes a great team. I mentioned a couple of mentors that I worked with. I hope that one day I can be a mentor to some of these people that we've worked with over the years, and maybe it is the specialty tax or the energy incentives or the structuring or strategy, but also personally, we learn a lot about our clients and we share a lot personally with them. But that's absolutely my most favorite is the relationships that we've built, the stories and the journeys that we've had together. And if we do a good job, we actually do very little marketing and advertising out there. Of course, I speak at some events and do some sessions around the country, but largely our business has expanded very successfully because of those relationships and those referrals and that organic growth. Like, Hey, have you heard about engineered tax? And do you know what Mike does? You should give him a call. I watch my emails every day, and that's what makes me so happy is I remember that relationship. I remember that Miami Dolphins game, whoever it was, or the dinner that we might've had, or the beer that we might have shared somewhere where we personally built that relationship, And that's something that I'm even more so focused on right now because our world is now moving very fast in terms of technology and ai, and I think that's great, and we are a tech enabled company that we utilize those things to deliver our services and strategies as efficiently as possible for the client. But I think even more so right now, it's all about, hi again, human intelligence. We want to talk, just like you and I are doing right now, folks want to meet, yes, they want tech enabled strategies and AI to help us do things better. I think that's great, but I have, and we have a renewed focus on the human intelligence, the human relationship, the human strategy together, because I think we can do so much more if we get back to the old school relationship building strategy, building together at the human level, and then of course we'll utilize technology to make that better, faster, stronger. Dave: Yeah, no, and that's certainly that. Those relationships are certainly my favorite part of the business. The clients, the CPA firms, the other advisors, lawyers, you guys. So man, I can't believe how the time has flown by. So as we're rounding the home stretch, I have just a couple more questions. Mike: All right. Dave: If you could go back in time and give advice to your 25-year-old self, what advice might you give? Mike: Continue to surround myself with people much smarter than me. As I look back, the biggest opportunities that I had was being in what I thought at the time was uncomfortable situations with people that like, wow, this person really knows what they're doing with real estate, or This person really knows what they're doing with finance. But now looking back those situations of surrounding myself with really smart or savvy people or someone much more experienced than I was, that's where I really learned the opportunities around real estate development, around relationship building, around strategy, and structuring. Those mentors that I spent time with. I would tap myself on the shoulder and say, do more of that. Do more of that. If there's people that are wasting my time or going down avenues that really aren't good for me professionally or personally, don't waste time with that. Put myself in the room at the table in uncomfortable situations with people much smarter than myself. And even today, I try to do that every day is with some of the new technologies around AI or crypto or finance or strategy or real estate. Who are the innovators? Who are the people that really seem to be leading? I try to put myself in those situations, so that's what I would remind my young self is to take advantage of mentors, because you can really learn, and sometimes it's not until years later that you realized what you learned. Dave: Yeah. I think that's great advice, not only for your 25-year-old self, but any 25-year-old and probably any business professional who's still trying to learn and grow. Mike: Yeah. One other thing. Dave: Yeah, Mike: One more thing. As Steve Jobs used to say, don't focus on, I would tell myself not to focus on what I think the path is at that point, because the path is going to change the strategy, the job course of action, the winds are going to change. Ebb and flow, I always say is my personal mantra. The tide comes in, the tide comes out, but you can always learn to surf. You can't stop the waves, but you can always learn to surf. So don't try to be too tactful in the direction that you're going, because things will change. Companies will change and expect that change is what I'm trying to say. So expect the change that will continue to happen in our lives. Dave: Okay. Well, yeah, I like that. Thank you very much. So as we wrap up, I really just have one more question, and that is, is there anything I didn't ask you that you wish I had asked V? Anything we didn't talk about that we should have? Mike: You asked some really good questions. It sounds like we could talk all afternoon if we wanted to. The only thing you didn't ask me is about my family, and actually the thing I'm most proud of, I mentioned I live in Charlotte, North Carolina. My wife Laura, has been an amazing force in our relationship for stability and really helping me to do what I do because being on the road, it's very challenging. But my son Rocco and my daughter Lucia, are getting old and driving now as later stage teenagers. It's having those rocks behind me that really help with this ability to allow me to do what I do with our clients nationally. So I really appreciate them, and that's my other, that is my most favorite accomplishment in life of what I've been able to achieve with my family and do this professionally with engineered tech services and advisory. Dave: Yeah, understood. Yeah, because ultimately it's about relationships, both professional and personal at the end of the day. Well, anything else we didn't cover or shall we go ahead and wrap it up? Mike: I think we covered enough for now. I think we might have more to talk about. Again, I have some other ideas of topics we should talk about coming up here in the fall. There'll be some new things that we're doing. Dave: Let's do that. We'll have you back, not too distant. Future for a part two. Mike: All right. Dave: Well, Mike, I really, really appreciate the opportunity to work with you and the whole team, and you guys have taken great care of our clients. We really appreciate that and we appreciate the trust you all have placed in us to serve some of your clients as Mike: Well. Thanks, Dave. I appreciate you. Special Guest: Mike D'Onofrio.

In this conversation, the Mike & Dave who are two dads delve into the complexities and rewards of parenting, drawing insights from Jordan Peterson's parenting series. They discuss the balance between nurturing and encouraging children, the importance of responsibility, and the need for parents to be present and engaged. The conversation emphasizes the significance of communication, understanding child development, and the long-term nature of parenting. The speakers reflect on their own experiences and the challenges they face, ultimately highlighting the value of embracing responsibility and fostering a healthy parent-child relationship. Original/source video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8lO2mH3itU Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Parenting Insights 02:56 The Meaning and Challenges of Parenthood 05:52 Balancing Nurturing and Encouragement 08:37 The Role of Responsibility in Parenting 11:22 The Importance of Presence and Connection 14:20 Navigating Parenting Challenges 17:12 Understanding Child Development 19:40 The Dance of Independence and Security 22:54 Avoiding Overindulgence and Narcissism 25:36 The Value of Responsibility and Purpose 28:32 The Role of Communication in Parenting 31:21 Embracing the Journey of Parenthood 34:30 Conclusion and Reflections on Parenting Takeaways - Parenting is one of the most challenging yet rewarding experiences. - The balance between nurturing and encouraging is crucial for child development. - Being present and engaged with children fosters a strong bond. - Responsibility in parenting leads to a sense of purpose and meaning. - Children learn by observing their parents' behavior and attitudes. - Overindulgence can lead to narcissism in children. - Communication is key in understanding and guiding children. - Parenting requires patience and the ability to navigate challenges. - The journey of parenthood is a long-term commitment. - Embracing the complexities of parenting can lead to deeper connections.  Questions - hello@startswithme.ca  DISCLAIMER: Copyright Disclaimer under section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for “fair use” for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, education and research. Disclaimer  Professional medical care and psychotherapeutic services are not offered on this Youtube channel. It is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professionals for any such condition Seeking professional support is encouraged if you think you have an issue and that you want help.

In Episode 90 of the Dirty 30 Podcast, Beatdown Brown and Eddie P discuss the exciting announcement of Killer Mike and Dave Chappelle teaming up for a joint tour, blending music and comedy for an unforgettable experience. We also celebrate Detroit honoring legendary producer J Dilla by naming a street after him, a tribute to his impact on music and culture. Join us as we explore these stories and their significance in hip-hop and beyond. #Dirty30Podcast #KillerMike #DaveChappelle #TourAnnouncement #JDilla #Detroit #StreetNaming #HipHopNews #ComedyTour #MusicAndComedy #HipHopCulture #KillerMikeTour #DaveChappelleTour #Podcast #JDillaTribute #DetroitLegends #hiphopupdates Shirts NFTs & Downloads https://www.teepublic.com/user/thebeatdown/albums/361684-schwebel-room

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John Petrolino, aka the PEN PATRIOT, shares how he started writing on Second Amendment topics and talks about some of his recent articles. Follow John's work at https://linktr.ee/jpetrolinoiii John Dillon, Mike & Dave discuss the implications of the recent injunction on the Boland v Bonta case, and the outlook for the California Gun Roster. What is a realistic timeframe when Californians might see Gen 5 Glocks available to them? If you are a gun owner, you should have an attorney that specializes in 2A cases on your phone. Add John Dillon's: 760-642-7150 STUMP MY NEPHEW: In Star Wars, the Tusken Raiders had a rifle based on which real-world firearm? — Like, subscribe, and share to help restore the Second Amendment in California! Make sure Big Tech can't censor your access to our content and subscribe to our email list: https://gunownersradio.com/subscribe #2a #guns #gunowners #2ndAmendment #2ACA #ca42a #gunownersradio #gunrights #gunownersrights #rkba #shallnotbeinfringed #pewpew — The right to self-defense is a basic human right. Gun ownership is an integral part of that right. If you want to keep your Second Amendment rights, defend them by joining San Diego County Gun Owners (SDCGO), Orange County Gun Owners (OCGO), or Inland Empire Gun Owners (IEGO). Support the cause by listening to Gun Owners Radio live on Sunday afternoon or on any podcast app at your leisure. Together we will win. https://www.sandiegocountygunowners.com https://orangecountygunowners.com http://inlandempiregunowners.com https://www.firearmspolicy.org https://www.gunownersca.com https://gunowners.org

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In this episode we are doing our first ever panel talk! With two guests Mike & Dave as well as Sam Jarockyj hosting. In this episode we cover three main topics: - First subject, How do you plan and be ready for the winter season - Second subject: 2023 Pricing - Third subject: New Starts: what should you be doing at the moment if you are getting started in spring If you enjoy this episode please follow, subscribe, rate and share! Thank you

This week we're exploring the fascinating and controversial topic of flat earth theory....again. This ancient belief, once relegated to the fringes of society, has seen a resurgence in recent years thanks to the power of the internet and social media. On this episode, we'll take a deep dive into the history of the flat earth movement and examine the arguments made by its supporters.  We'll explore the evidence (or lack thereof) supporting the idea that the earth is not a globe, but rather a flat, disc-shaped plane. Whether you're a believer or a skeptic, you won't want to miss this revisit. Join us as we challenge our assumptions about the world around us and explore the flat earth phenomenon. Did we change our minds? *Intro sound clip features comedian Dan Cummins If you have any questions or topics you'd like to see the society cover, please reach out at Contact@hushhushsociety.com   You can find all our audio, blogs and drop sweet ratings at www.hushhushsociety.com Find our Video Content on our Rokfin Leave us a review on Apple, our website, Podchaser or GoodPods You can grab Hush Hush merch and help support the show on Patreon Link up with the society on social media:   Facebook   Instagram   Twitter    Join our Discord and chat with us   TRANSCRIPT Flat Earth 2   [00:01:00]  Dave: Greetings, Hushlings. Welcome back to the Hush Hush Society Conspiracy Hour. Mike: Where we journey into the world of conspiratorial mysteries and dark truths Dave: I'm Declassified Dave Mike: and I'm Mystery Mike and as though is we're joined by our fellow globetard Slick Fronk Sanders. Fronk: The Earth is probably round how you doing? Dave: it's going. Are things going around today? Mike: Quick question flat Earthers. How do boomerangs work on your flat plane? Fronk: Boomerangs are flat.  Dave: that got him. If you didn't notice today, we returned to the great debate in this episode. Is the Earth round? Is the Earth flat? Fronk: Hushling's, uh, in case you weren't [00:02:00] aware, we visited this topic in season three and completely shat all over the flat plane and we believe we should revisit this mother of all modern conspiracies, seeing as though it's such a big part of conspiracy culture. Dave: it's getting even bigger, even though you guys probably most definitely are gonna take a second dumping in this one. Mike: not as bad as the first. Dave: Not  Fronk: Yeah. We'll see. We'll see. Mike: we've discussed how there are different phases to being a flat earther. I'm guess I'm still in stage zero and we were in stage one in May of 2021. let's go up around to stage two But before we search for the horizon and fall off the flat plane and search for God in the sky under the spotlight sun, you can always find us on our social medias, Facebook, [00:03:00] Instagram, and Twitter Dave: You can also find everything hush hush society on our website, www.hushhushsociety.com. From episodes to links to merchandise, and the ability to drop a review or leave us a voicemail. We hope we get some after this episode. Mike: Hmm. Please do. Dave: Yeah. Fronk: And we keep mentioning that we are now also a video podcast. You can not only. To us, but you can watch us, you can see our faces. You can get that expressional action that you might not get from just an audio recording. And to find those episodes, you just gotta go to Rock Fin. It's, it's very simple. Rock fin.com. There's even an app. And in the search bar you just put in Hush Hush Society. You'll find us nice and easy. And there you can find all of our videos. you hit the notification button. You get notifications when our videos come out. Check it out. Mike: And just one last thing before we move on to the flat plane, we just [00:04:00] want to give a quick shout out to our newest patron, Gabrielle May. Thank you so much. We appreciate you. Fronk: Just in case you're new to this, we're gonna do a quick little recap for you on what Flat Earth theory is, and essentially, in a nutshell, the earth is flat rather than round. Pretty self explanatory, although it's made its appearance throughout history. The theory gained popularity around 2009 and has continued to grow ever since. Dave: It is regarded as one of the most controversial conspiracy theories in existence. Why claim that our earth is flat and not a globe easy? That's because it looks flat and feels flat and is surrounded by 200 feet of ice blocking us from traversing across an infinite plane or falling off the edge. Sounds correct, right? Fronk: I mean, yeah, that's what I've been made to believe. That's that's what it seems like Mike: Yeah. Riding on the back of a turtle through the cosmos, but the cosmos [00:05:00] doesn't exist, so where's the turtle going? Anyways,  according to believers, NASA and the ruling elite protect the ice walls from people attempting to climb over and fall from the disc. Can't make it up. They also believe that earth's gravity is an illusion, and that objects are driven up by a mysterious force called dark energy, rather than spinning and being stuck to a surface, Fronk: But on the other hand, there are countless photographs, videos, and images from astronauts and the International Space Station that kind of seem like evidence to show that the Earth is round. But these are not considered real evidence and are allegedly faked by the government or the ruling elites Dave: Now before we move on, flat, earthers already pissed off at our description in the beginning, Fronk: probably. Dave: we wanted to pull you in, but we'll make it as [00:06:00] fair as possible with some of the talking points that we're going to go over.  Now, Hushlings, there is the flat Earth Society as well as thousands of others from around the globe in groups. In addition to independent researchers, even though there is evidence to contradict some of these arguments, they are dismissed as fabrications of around earth conspiracy, along with stars, planets, galaxies, space, and gravity, all being a part of the facade of where we live. Mike: That is my biggest thing when it comes down to a debate between a flat earth and someone who believes that we live on a globe, is that it always results. In a flat earth are saying, well, that's what you've been told. You've been lied to. You're believing a lie that's being told to you, which is the old faithful of all conspiracy theorists, is that you're being lied to. That's all well and good, but at what point do you turn around and say, the [00:07:00] science is being lied to you. Nasa, we know lies to us. We know they fabricate images. We know what they do. But again, that's more of an argument that NASA is filled with bunch of liars. But at what point do you look at it maybe there is evidence that it's a globe or maybe there is evidence that it's a flat plane. There has to be a certain cutoff point where you stop saying, well, you're being lied to. That's what they want you to believe. That's what they're fabricating the science. They're fabricating this. They're fabricating that. How, and this has always been my issue, how do you talk to a flat earth and say, what piece of evidence would it take for you to say that it's a globe Dave: Pictures. Mike: pictures? , but then you show them a picture of this is what our earth looks like. It's a globe. Or you show them video or you show them anything. Well, that's been fabricated. It's always like this deniability to go against what they believe in. Like you, you have to deny [00:08:00] it. You have to deny it because it shakes the entire foundation of what their belief system is, especially when it comes to a flat earth. But then they always revert back to, that's what the Bible says. That's what the Bible says. I'm sorry, we, we've been over the Bible many times. We all know that it's been changed a thousand times and it's a book.  Fronk: not only that, but that's what they're making the Bible say. That's what certain people are interpreting the bible to say, and you can make the Bible say a lot of different things depending on how you decide to interpret it as a person. And if you're interpreting it as, they're telling me about the flat earth and so be it, Dave: This episode is gonna focus a little bit more heavily on some of the things that Mike and Fronk just mentioned, talking about NASA and the why would they lie and why would they fake and indoctrinated us as kids to believe that it's a ball. , and these are major [00:09:00] talking points that I've learned over the last year and a half since we've done this, other than just the physical evidence. We have the physical evidence if you're going to go by the, mainstream. we'll go through a bunch of stuff. I think we'll talk about religion too. So Mike, save those nails, buddy. Mike: We'll look into some of what we just listed and more throughout this episode, and it strongly suggested you listen to our first crack at this crust to understand where some of the historical beliefs come from and a lot of other things about this theory, mainly the science. But let's give this another oscillation, shall we? We're gonna literally hit some of the proposed theories and then firmly spit some facts. be prepared to, uh, confirm or deny your belief. Fronk: Before we completely dive into the flat plane, we're gonna talk about the planet as we've been taught in a traditional sense. Our Native [00:10:00] Earth is a terrestrial rocky planet, correct? Yes or no? I mean, whether it's flat around truth,  It has a dynamic and active surface with mountains, valley, canyons, you name it. All the different geographical structures and a variety of other features. It has water covering 70% of its surface, as well as harboring thousands of life forms, and it has a unique orbiting satellite arm. Dave: it has a circumference. Remember this number Hushlings 24,901 miles. And it shares our solar system with eight, sorry, Pluto, eight other planets and is rotating at around thousand miles an hour while orbiting our home star. Now this is where flat Earthers start to deny our existence on a spinning ball. we're orbiting around our sun at 67,000 miles an hour, all while zipping around the center of the Milky Way, roughly at [00:11:00] around 490,000 miles an hour. And the biggest claim, you can't feel it.   Mike: Well, that's just what we're taught in school. Unfortunately, most of us didn't escape the clutches of the Rockefeller Education System. There's that name again. Yep. He created the General Education Board in 1902 at the cost of 129 million. It's a lot of money back in 1902. It's a lot of money today and provided major funding for schools across the nation and was very influential in shaping the school system. Also, he's quoted as saying, I don't want a nation of thinkers. I want a nation of workers. Sounds like my pause. Fronk: And that speaks some deep truth because school does indoctrinate the nation into the trap of society. Once you hit like 10th grade, you're already filling out college applications, colleges that you're gonna be in debt to for the rest of your life, that you're gonna have to work for the majority of [00:12:00] your life to pay off for that job that you'll be working for the rest of your life. And it's this endless cycle. So that's definitely perpetuated by some global elitist. I get that to an extent, maybe the indoctrination portion of it. Dave: Well, from the beginning. Which classroom have you ever been in that didn't have a globe?    Fronk: In 1928, John D Rockefeller Jr. Financed an expedition to the South Pole as a British secret service. Agent Rockefeller knew perfectly that no South Pole existed, but people were curious about the true shape of the world. From 1956 onward, Antarctica was completely controlled by the Pentagon. Hence the Antarctic Treaty. And anybody visiting this chunk of land without permission was shot on site. Admiral by who we've talked about extensively, died mysteriously in 1957 and perhaps had a timely demise before he could tell the truth about what the South Pole. Mike: When it comes to the[00:13:00] Antarctic treaty and being shot on sight, who is shooting these people on sight? Fronk: Snow snipers. Those drones from Star Wars that landed on Hoth Mike: , that's a lot of land to patrol in order to watch for people.  Dave: remember. Antarctica is 5.2 million square miles as well. Mike: That's what doesn't make sense to me. You're gonna be shot on sight and that's another part of the Antarctic treaty that I also don't understand. Who is physically stopping you from going there? The only thing that's physically stopping you from going to Antarctica is it costs a lot of money. To either charter a boat that would go there. most people don't go there. Most charter boats don't go there. You could do a flyover, but that's only partial. Who is physically stopping you besides your bank account? Dave: I did see a video recently of some guys on a boat that were stopped. I think they were stopped by the New Zealand Navy [00:14:00] or the Australian Navy, and they were turning him around and you can see like. Ice in the distance or something like that. And I don't know if there was just like an iceberg that was out there that they were near, but the allegations on TikTok was got turned around at the bottom of the world, cause I believe it's, there's some degree, and I'm gonna sound uneducated saying this, but I don't know the degree, I think, but there's some degree at the bottom of the world. That you can't go. But the Antarctic treaty, it contradicts itself because the Antarctic treaty was supposed to be a demilitarized zone. No military stuff. No commercial, nothing. It was supposed to be strictly for research. Fronk: So why is the Navy there? Of who? New Zealand? Dave: It was either New Zealand or Australia Fronk: So what is the New Zealand or Australian Navy doing there? Dave: Well, they're close to Antarctica Fronk: Yeah, but isn't a non-military zone. Dave: But there's only military scientists maybe not all military scientists. You got like, Noah [00:15:00] scientists and stuff, and I'm sure NASA is down there, the Nazis, they're all down there. You know, you  got everybody. Antarctica looks like a continent to me, and there's a lot of pictures of it. And are they fake? I am. I'm not on the plane, so I don't know. . Why would it matter and why would they lie? The largest argument of why these elites would lie to us is most likely there's more land, more resources, maybe even unlimited resource. And lands beyond the ice shelf or walls, as well as the suppression of how powerful of beings we are, which can kind of be a different argument that has nothing to do with flat earth as well. thoughts on that? Fronk: I could get behind both of those points to an extent in the shoes of a flat Earth, for example. Yes. If you told me that there was unlimited resources, we're talking oil, we're talking the purest water in the world. We're talking minerals that are used to power the world's [00:16:00] electronics, whatever, energy generating methods that we might have unlimited supply of that which would completely destroy not only the US dollar, but the world economy, which is what the alleged elites thrive off of. And if it's not money that they thrive off of it is leaching our fucking energy. And we've talked about that a lot. And if we were to unlock some sort of crazy. Secret about ourselves or humanity as a whole. That might be incredibly enlightening to a lot of people or disturbing. I could see it going either way, but if, if a bunch of people woke up and they were incredibly enlightened, that could be bad for the reptilian negative energy blood suckers. Dave: I don't think it would go well for anybody. I think we always do ask this question a lot when we talk about this as is, would it change our everyday lives? And we usually say no, but it would, because we [00:17:00] probably have a massive economic shutdown. religions would collapse. There'd probably be some type of total anarchy that would happen and then we'd have our own epiphanies of being like, not really upset that I was wrong, but shit I was lied to as well, part of the Doy group. And that would be a shitty day. would it end everything for me? No, it would change everything for sure. But I think the unlimited resources part, I could see somebody hiding that, , we did talk about Admiral Byrd and Admiral Byrd went through, supposedly into the hollow earth, could he have misinterpreted and gone through a crack and found more land. Who knows? In the writing The Iron Republic, written by EW Barrington and published also in 1902, another one of that year with the education system. It was published in Florida Magazine, and it said that an explorer went through a crack in the ice walls and found an advanced civilization after being lost for over a month at sea. So that [00:18:00] means he went through the ice walls and there was more ocean,  Mike: Have there ever been any, any pictures or video of the ice wall or beyond it? Fronk: Uh, people take pictures of. Ice shelves and try to say that they're the ice walls, but at the same time, those could very well just be ice shelves or very large icebergs Mike: Makes sense. Makes sense.  Dave: I wanna see a flight going around the whole whatever, 76,000 miles it's supposed to actually be. Just banking around the whole rim. But you can't go there because the military will shoot you down in a de militarized. Mike: I still think that there's plenty of ways to get there. And we talked, who do we talk with? That had went to Antarctica? Was it Mark Fronk: on a cruise with like their father. Yeah. Mark O'Connell. Yeah. Dave: Yep. Mike: O'Connell said that , he went to Antarctica with his family. Dave: San Diego Padre's pitcher's there right now.  Fronk: Yeah, but he, he also mentioned that it was like the only [00:19:00] part of Antarctica that they'll let a civilian on and it's like this tiny little peninsula and they've got the little, novelty pole.  Like you could go up and touch it and take a picture with it. Yeah. And they got little stuff, penguins and shit. Dave: could it just be a simple explanation why we don't bring people there? One, you'll die  Fronk: , yes, it's very extreme terrain, there's tons of extreme terrain that we're allowed to go to that you would probably die in if you weren't very well equipped. Mike: Yeah, it makes sense that the only reason that they would be stopping people from going there, besides the massive, endless amounts of resources that they're hoarding from us, would be that they just don't want people going out there and fucking dying.  This brings up another allegation that even the word extraterrestrial means extra terra or more land. Trying to hold some weight to the notion this has been taught to us. We see in the film The Next Level by David Weiss. [00:20:00] He meets with an older woman named Ruth. She's 102, God bless her, from Connecticut, who was in tears claiming that she was taught flat Earth in school, in Hamden, Connecticut, and now feels vindicated and better because of his truths. Dave: she was like, lost it. Mike: like real, real emotional about it. Dave: Yeah. Really emotional about it Mike: Okay. We just mentioned the Rockefeller education system and him saying that he doesn't want a nation of thinkers. He wants a nation of workers. , in the 1920s, if she was taught that the earth was flat, She would've been learning from that education system. Dave: True. Yeah, but I don't think that there's actually, I've looked and looked and looked and couldn't find any definitive evidence that was saying that they actually taught that in schools. Because even in 2022 curriculums across the country are not the same, even across the [00:21:00] same states, depending on the size of your state, they're not the same, especially when you get to advanced levels like college professors are teaching what they want within that curriculum, How in 1920 were they all taught the same thing when there was still tons and tons and tons, tons of schools. , that's the thing that gets me,  she's 102. Could she have just been like, yeah, I saw that once and she saw it on a cartoon in the seventies while she was in her sixties,  Fronk: nonetheless, I do find it difficult to wrap my head around because it was David Weiss who did that interview or whatever, and he brings up a lot of stuff about flat Earth. I listen to a bunch of his talks and shows that he went on to and whatnot, and he brings up all of these points and , he tells people to just, look into it. You gotta look into it yourself. You gotta do your research. , you go to do this research and obviously if you're looking into stuff like this, you're not going to [00:22:00] Google. You're not using Bing, like the go to search engine for anything that you can't find is duck, duck go. And he's been saying that Duck, duck go is starting to censor things of this nature. So, like Dave, I went looking for what the global education was like in the 1910s, the 1920s, and. Again, like you said, no definitive proof. Is it a censorship thing or is it the fact that it was just not taught as flat in the 1920s? Dave: There's also allegations that say that, it was the thirties and even in the sixties through certain education systems. , I almost bought David Weiss's app now. David had contacted us and let us know how he thought about us. I think in the next level, , it almost looks like somebody's trying to sell something and maybe this woman really did feel vindicated Ruth if she's still alive or not. but I don't know, check out the next level. It's an interesting take on flat earth and [00:23:00] there's a bunch of other proponents that I'd never even heard of that have some interesting talking points. Mike: my beef when it comes to David is he did reach out to us. He reached out to us a couple times, especially after our flat Earth episode. And essentially just berated us through email it's the usual argument that I, especially for some odd reason am on the receiving end of arguments with flat earthers is just yelling and anger and just being pissed off consistently. and he was not too happy, as Dave said with how we covered it in our talking points. He said, oh, it's the same talking points. Well, it's the same talking points with flat Earthers too. you talk about the Bible, you talk about nasa, you talk about, it's like, it's, it's the same talking points because we're talking about the same fucking topic.  Of course we're gonna have our sides to it and of, and flat earthers are gonna have their sides to it. It's just the way that it is. That's how you have constructive. [00:24:00] Conversations that go back and forth with conflicting beliefs. Dave: I feel like it's a lot of frustration that , you're just not getting it. Fronk: I feel like he rails Coke and like smashes Globes in his free time, like buys globes from Goodwill and just fucking destroys them in the parking lot and then drives home  Dave: beats them with Louisville slugs. Just smack. Smack.  Mike: I can't wait for our next email correspondence after this one. Fronk: dude. It's not gonna be an email. It's gonna be a voice message and he is gonna be all fucking jacked up out of his mind.    Dave: Before we move on to like the major talking points we gotta talk about what Mike mentioned earlier where a lot of the stuff that is talked about goes back to biblical cosmology and creationism.  Mike: Yeah. And that's always been my biggest talking point with discussions with flat Earthers is explain it to me I will give you my counterpoints and you'll give me your points and we can go [00:25:00] back and forth, but complete your, persuasion of trying to make me see that it's a flat plane. Complete your argument without using the Bible. Every single fucking time. Every single time it ends in, well, it says this in the Bible and it says this, it always ends up being that let's put it this way. I've never met a flat earth that wasn't also at the same time a Bible thumper. Dave: I've met two types. I feel like there are conflicting points to, flat earthers even they step on each other's toes a little bit. They might not, not get along, but I think there are some folks that definitely don't believe in the biblical cosmology and it's just a physical thing. But every time you go back to, if it's a physical thing, that's a structure that's not a planet. It brings me to the question, even a non-religious person. It brings me to the question, well then we're talking about who created it, [00:26:00] not just the science of planets and, gas and particles coming together for, from a accretion. We're talking a whole different thing. Now. We're talking about, well, if it's a structure , and this is not what we think it is and this is not what I think it is, then it had to have been manufactured structure. We build structures. using that type of verbiage, brings even me to being like, , now we're in the religious realm or the faith realm. Fronk: You want me to blow your mind right now? you know what's easier than creating a whole universe writing fucking lines of code. Bam, bam.  Mike: Yeah, there it is. There it is. We should just bring all arguments of flat earth back to simulation theory. Fronk: That's where I, that, yeah. Prove to me that it's even physical and then maybe I'll consider whether, the shape is round or flat. Dave: Let's talk about curves. Fronk: Right. All right. Let's talk about the voluminous crevices and curves that our mother Earth provides. Right. The idea of a flat [00:27:00] earth stems from a number of viewpoints, and the most fundamental is to rely on one's own sense, to determine the true nature of one's surroundings. The world appears flat. Clouds, bottoms look like they're flat. Water looks like it's flat, and the sun moves. The stars are always the same positioned exactly how they always were, and all of these sensory cues indicate that we do, in fact, live on a flat. Dave: I'm not an astrophysicist and I'm not a  Fronk: Are you  sure?  Dave: Maybe, maybe, maybe in my other existence, the 500 of 'em. I'm a failed astrophysicist, but I do have a telescope and I've had it for quite some time and I'm pretty good with it. And it's Fronk: the fuck? Dave: eh, the stars not moving. I know that there's a difference between absolute, uh, motion. A difference between [00:28:00] relative motion, and I'm pretty sure that the way that the stars move, but their whole argument is, is that since everything's spinning at astronomical speeds every night, we would see different stars because we're just whipping around and seeing different things. So why are the stars the same? And it does get you thinking, well, why are the stars the same? Well, I'm not a professional astronomer, so I can't really explain that. But I would say it has something to do with relative motion where everything's moving in conjunction instead of just this vortex of insane speeds..  Fronk: In my peanut globetard brain, I'm more so thinking the speed of light and how long it actually takes for the light from the stars that we're seeing to travel here. I mean, yeah, we've been seeing the same stars for thousands and thousands and thousands of years, but at what point were those stars emitting that light? How long have those stars been dead for, and how long is it gonna take for us to see new stars again? [00:29:00] I can't answer any of those questions for you, but I'm pretty sure that's. Dave: Valid point. Mike: Also in the grand scheme of time, humanity has been around a fucking blink in universal time. again to Fronk's point here, we're seeing the same stars because we're living 80 years and that's it. As opposed to the billions and billions and billions of years that the universe has existed and that that light has traveled and those stars have either been born, exploded, died, and disappeared. , we're seeing nothing, nothing. Dave: Well, that goes back to you being an insignificant being and that being suppressed. There's that argument. We'll have that later. We'll fight about it. Mike: there, there won't be an argument. We are insignificant beings.  Even if you took it back to a creationist argument, we are fucking insignificant. We are insignificant, we're [00:30:00] nothing. If we were something we would still commune with Gods, we would still commune with universal spirits. We would be. Something more than fucking meat sacks traveling through the world going, oh, I wonder what job I'm gonna have next, that I'm gonna work fucking 40 hours a week at and pull in a menial salary and take care of my 5.2 fucking kids, and then eventually retire at the ripe old age of 70 years old. And that's my life. How special am I Dave: Well, that's the system that you're locked in. Mike: system or not? Even if I had no job, even if I was just wandering, enjoying my life, going to these wonderful, exotic places, just doing everything that I wanted to do. At the end of it all 70 to 80 years, that's what I get. That's fucking it. in those 70 to 80 years, when am I seeing God? When am I [00:31:00] seeing a hint of any extraterrestrial, any, any extra dimensional, any religious, fucking spiritual guide? Anything. Anything.  when I'm not, fucked up on drugs, Dave: psychedelics. Fronk: God tier moment. Mike goes, have you ever given an ant food? Throw that bitch in there.  Dave: A lot of people see that as negative, and I don't really see it as negative that we're that insignificant. It's kind of the same argument that I make about the flight paths, which we'll quickly touch on is, well, the, the plane has to keep dipping down to keep going. Have you seen how small a plane is to how big the earth is? Mike: That's one thing that they don't understand is fucking perspective. You don't understand  perspective.  Dave: I'm glad you brought that up because what Frankie said a couple minutes ago about viewpoints perspective, seeing, if the clouds appear flat, water is flat, that's called using an empirical approach or an approach that relies on information [00:32:00] on your senses.  What's your feeble little human garbage eyes can see? And if you can't see the curve, then it doesn't exist. They use mathematics. I am. Stupid with math. The math is if the earth is round, there should be a degree of curvature, eight inches per mile squared. one mile would be eight inches, two miles, 32 inches, three miles, 72 inches, four miles, 128, and so on.  128 inches is about 10 feet of curvature. So that would be, four miles away now? 10 feet. A considerable amount when you're looking at a boat on. Water the water line to the top, say, let's say an aircraft carrier is probably 60 to 90 feet. You'd have to be at least around 20 miles to not just see the flight deck of that ship going over the horizon.  Then you got the whole, you got the bridge, you got everything else. You got all the radar you're probably looking at 120 feet at least to the top of, all of the structures on that ship. How many miles is that? . That's the thing. Another thing with the insignificance is [00:33:00] that we're tiny as fuck. Like how can we see anything? If you're five foot 10 and you're looking at something how far are you actually gonna see Mike: but what about the Zoom, Dave? What about the Zoom? Some of those cameras, they can zoom way, way, way, way in. They take those cameras and they zoom, zoom, zoom, and they go, well, that city is 150 miles away. There's no way that I should see it because of this curvature. And this camera is picking it up perfectly. So how do they work? Dave: I think they use the Chicago skyline for example. And I didn't do the experiment and look on Google Maps , and see the different distances, but you gotta remember the Sears Tower, whatever the fuck it's called now, it's like well over a thousand feet tall. and they're like, well, you can see the whole thing you. In those pictures that are shown as examples, you cannot see the entire Sears Tower. There is hundreds of feet of displacement in Chicago. Like New York has a [00:34:00] very tall fucking skyline. But you could still see those buildings and they're there, and on top of it, you're getting atmospheric disturbance. You're getting a layer of almost a mirage layer.  Mike: Dave was just going over the math of the entire situation, it's 67 feet per 10 miles. Now, before we move on, we have to mention that there are ball earthers or globes or globe tards that do argue that this equation is misused by flat earthers. And is the equation of calculating a parabola, not a full sphere. Dave: The guy who said that this is Misused was something that was found on the Michael Stata podcast and apparently himself and another guy that were on there, one was like an F 18 pilot, and then he's got certain hundreds and hundreds amount of hours as being a pilot. he had mentioned that the equation was misused and used the parabola as an example, that you're talking [00:35:00] about something like this instead of something that's a full circle even if you're talking about it on the curve, , it's still a parabola, even on that surface. Even though the equations are right and the math is right to calculate the curvature of the earth with its circumference that's known.  Might not be accurate. And uh, who did that? Aristophenes did that. And I know Flat Earthers is gonna say that guy didn't even fucking exist. which maybe he did, maybe he didn't. That was 2000 years ago. Who knows? Fronk: just to be fair to the flat earthers, right? We can't nitpick what false history we believe and don't, we do tend to say that history could have been falsified many times. If history has been erased at any point in time there is the possibility that this dude was made. Mike: using this model, a person standing on a spherical surface with eyes five feet, 11 inches above the ground, can [00:36:00] hypothetically see the ground up to about three miles away, but a person at the top of the Eiffel Tower at 896 feet can see the ground up to 36.6 miles away. Dave: Well, they're higher in altitude, Mike: Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm.  Dave: but the argument is that you can't see using the calculation, you wouldn't be able to see because it's dipping. I think the argument is wrong, and I'm not a mathematician and I'm not good at math, but from what my I see is that almost like some of these people are seeing it smaller than what it is. I don't think they're really getting how big this thing is and how small we are. So even at a 900 feet, Yes, you can see almost 10 times as much in distance, but you're also almost a thousand feet in the air,  Mike: Again,  perspective.   Fronk: If the degree of the [00:37:00] curvature is found to be the same everywhere on earth's surface, and the surface is in fact large enough, the constant curvature demonstrates that the earth is a. Now what about water? James Underdown, executive Director for the Center for Inquiry, Los Angeles worked with the Independent Investigations Group, a nonprofit dedicated to investigating exceptional claims using scientific methods. A boat based target with horizontal stripes was used in one of these tests. Dave: He's quoted as saying we sent a boat out on the water, and the farther it goes, the more the stripes disappear. That was supposed to demonstrate the curvature of the planet, but most flat earthers disagreed generating considerable debate. The biggest reason for these arguments with flat earth, obviously it comes from flat Earth, Dave(David Weiss), and it's all about perspective, as we said. The ground would never obscure distant objects on a flat earth. It should be possible to see all the way to the edge of the [00:38:00] world, right? That is the question that we would be asking. The answer we get is the atmosphere is opaque. Now, using the vernacular atmosphere is almost a conundrum in itself, and you ask, well, why did you use that? Well, we don't have another word for it.  Mike: Why not just make up a word like you fucking make up your own beliefs?  Just fucking do it. Just do it. . Make up a new word. It's very easy. It's done every day.   [00:39:00] Ad break [00:40:00]    Mike: Let's move on to another major fight in this, the position of the sun, sunrise and sunset. In case you were wondering, the sun is always above the Earth's surface in both models, Yet in the flat model, it travels in circles around the Earth's north pole, which is also, its. The seasons are caused by the expansion [00:41:00] and contraction of these circles. What about latitude?  Dave: What about latitude? I mean,  that would  Mike: about latitude  Dave: right? Mike: Hmm. Dave: The largest circumference of latitude on this planet would be the equator. Correct?  Mike: Yep. Dave: And then you have the tropic cancer and the tropic of Capricorn. The midpoints. I don't know that seems pretty, easy to explain. Maybe I'm just stupid. Could  be,  Mike: Globetard Dave: yeah. Fronk: Fucking idiot. Do some research Mike: Look into it. Fronk: where, show me where, show me where I could read about this that isn't on the app.  Mike: In the Bible, Fronk: Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. Here we go with the fucking Bible again. Mike: and books from the  17 hundreds  Fronk: They considered the sun to be much closer than 93 million miles and possibly even as far as 3000 miles or as close as 300 miles and moves in a circle or a helix pattern because the earth is supposedly accelerating upward, obviously toward the sun [00:42:00] at 9.8 meters per second because they don't believe in gravity, and that explains gravity away. with that being said, the sun must also be accelerating in the same direction as this hypothetical earth vortex. Make sense? You guys got that? Dave: instead of us spinning with things spinning around us and us spinning around something else and then that spinning around something else, which is relative there's a really big graphic that's always shown on every documentary, every video, and it's like the sun being shot out of a. With everything else just like around it, it looks like a DNA strand, most globe tards, know that that's not how motion works with celestial bodies. that one got me and always gets me, is every time that's shown. I'm like, oh God.  Fronk: other astronomical bodies moving in such a pattern? We have like really high powered telescopes Mike: Because space is not real.  Fronk: [00:43:00] Oh, shit. I forgot. I'm, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You got me.  Okay. All right. All right. Right. All right. Dave: no space. No space. We have to remember that throughout this whole episode, there's no space. Fronk: Yes. Yes. Mike: if you take space out of the equation, introduce God in the Bible, and just ignore all known fucking science for the past like 300 years, you can be a flat earther. Fronk: wait is it no space or it's just the sun and the moon and the earth, or , is it None of that and it's just plain earth with our spinning moon, sun clock sort of thing happening, Which one is it? Do flat earthers believe either the barrel bore theory or the plate theory? Dave: Everything's contained in a system. Fronk: It's one in the same Dave: and everything above us is, I guess, the abyss, because there's a lot of arguments that, like with this Artemis program, whether it's fake or not, we'll talk about NASA in a little bit, but whether it's fake or not, Rockets [00:44:00] don't work in a vacuum apparently. but they're actually using, their own inertia to move in a vacuum. But I guess things don't work that way according to some. That brings us to sunrise and sunset. I don't want to get too far into this cuz this can take hours and hours and hours to argue about, let's talk about sunrise and sunset real quick.  Fronk: Unlike a bunch of these other points, the day and night cycles are actually kind of easily explained on a flat plane. The sun theoretically would move in circles above the North Pole. Or around the North Pole, and when it's over your head, it's day, and when it's not, it's nighttime. The light of the sun is then confined to a limited area on the earth, right? Because it's right above you. This claim never held any weight for me in particular because it can be debunked with science.  On top of this, all of the planets and stars aren't actually what they appear to be like [00:45:00] big rock balls in space or giant balls of gas, but they're actually luminaries. Yet. We also hear a lot of people say, well, we don't know what they. Dave: Stars and planets are one of the biggest things that cannot be explained yet. We can explain them with telescopes. We've been talking a lot about movement. We have to talk about heliocentric model, which is the one that we supposedly live in and not the geocentric model, which is the one that flat earthers live in. When we are confronted with the question of how the earth is able to orbit the sun, and it's not a sphere it's pretty simple. The earth actually doesn't orbit the sun, as we've been saying. This is so, because instead of the sun being the center of our solar system, our planet is actually the center of our solar system or controlled environment. Mike: In reality, we have Helio Centrism, also known as the Heliocentric Model. It's the astronomical model in which the earth and planets revolve around the sun at the center historically, [00:46:00] Helio Centrism was opposed to geo centrism, which placed the earth at the center. now we've hit the firmament. Fronk: In the cosmology of the flat earth. The disc shaped planet is covered by a dome whose edges stopped just beyond the roughly 145 foot high ice wall of Antarctica. And these stars are fixed on this dome while the sun and moon, which are only about 31 miles in diameter, revolve about a 3,100 miles above the earth. Dave: Now, as we said before in biblical cosmology, the firmament is a vast, solid dome or semi solid dome created by God during his creation in the first six days To divide the primal sea into upper and lower portions so that the dry land could appear, which surrounds the earth or frozen water, I've heard this a lot with the biblical cosmology stuff, is that it's explained during day one, day two, day three, and they even say in the Bible, God created the firmament. I [00:47:00] believe it's on ver bran's headstone, as we've mentioned previously. I think it's a lot of wordplay and interpretation,  Mike: We also mentioned back in Hollow Moon, if you've listened to that episode about the Zulu tribe, where the firmament or atmosphere rained down to earth.  Our flat earthers saying that the sky is liquid possibly. Clearly, we know that the Earth's atmosphere is 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 0.9% argon and 0.1% of other gases. Dave: Now, quickly, recently, I've heard a lot of arguments in quite a few different shows and videos not just one proponent, but multiple proponents on this theory. And a lot of 'em will say, well, the atmosphere itself is just a different version of water as it is up in space, a whole different version of water. Because they use the example of if you go to the deep oceans or certain lakes, there's different [00:48:00] salinities of water. You'll have heavier water on the bottom, different pockets of water. the atmosphere works the same way and they say, because it has the same elements in it. Now, if our atmosphere is made up of 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, yes, there's hydrogen in that, because if we need water, we need H two O, which does happen in the atmosphere, Fronk: shit. That's why they sent U-boats to space it's water. Dave: oh. Fronk: Oh, Dave: That's it.  You got me.  Mike: done. We're done.    Final thoughts, boys? Fronk: Thank you Hushlings. Dave: Yeah, that's it. Mike: Okay, so we're talking about the firmament currently. Now I just want everyone to know the actual definition of a firmament. So the firmament is the vault or arch of the sky. The firmament isn't necessarily something that is physical. It is something that is viewed. the [00:49:00] arch from one horizon to the other is the sky. That is the firmament. So when everybody's saying, oh, firmament, they're talking about the firmament, they're talking about something that's physically there. No, that's a viewpoint. The firmament refers to horizon. To horizon. The arch of the sky as you see it from one end of your viewpoint to the other Dave: Makes sense. There's a lot of that too, where it said that you're, uh, you have a personal viewing bubble and I think that's misinterpreted as what you're actually, what you can see you go up a 1500 foot mountain, you look around, you can see 360 degrees.  Mike: that's your firmament. Dave: that's your firmament. Fronk: One bar from Suicide Boy's last album. One of them goes Dome. So good. I think she think the earth is flat mouth like the fucking firmament. She got my eyes rolling back. There you go.  Mike: it says it all. Fronk: [00:50:00] It says it all, it says it all your, your mouth has a firmament. Mike: Show me what that firmament do. Fronk: land ho. We have hit the ice walls and the absence of the poles along the edge of our local area exists a massive 150 foot ice wall. This ice wall is on the coast of Antarctica, and The wall is absolutely gargantuan, made up of solid water, ice that surrounds our world and holds our world's oceans in.   And the South Pole does not exist, whereas the North Pole is just a giant mountain called a hyperly that you can't visit. Dave: The ice walls were discovered by Sir James Clark, who was a British naval officer and polar explorer who was amongst the first adventure to Antarctica in an attempt to determine the position of the south magnetic pole between 1768 and 1779. [00:51:00] Upon confronting the massive vertical front of ice heat famously remarked. Mike: "It was an obstruction of such character as to leave no doubt in my mind as to our future proceedings for we might as well sail through the Cliffs of Dover as to penetrate such a mass. That's what she said. It would be impossible to conceive a more solid looking mass of ice. Not the smallest appearance of any rent or fisher. Could we discover throughout the whole of its extent and the intensely bright sky beyond it, but too plainly indicated. The great distance to which it wreaths, southward " Dave: apparently it took him three years or so to do one of the journeys and he circumnavigated the globe at 77,000 miles. what if he did it three times and did [00:52:00] 77,000 miles? That's the one thing that I've always thought is that, was it one trip  Fronk: And he just didn't know Mike: But again, in the 18 hundreds, let's say that this guy goes and he encounters an ice shelf, would he not think that was an ice wall? Dave: yeah, Fronk: like, oh shit. Well this is the edge of the world I suppose. Mike: there's no going past this. My ship can't go through that. Dave: I mean, yeah, that would be logical. Mike: I think this is what we said in the first one, a lot of these arguments for a flat earth revert back to like this 18 hundreds knowledge. Let's look at this book from the 18 hundreds. Look, they mentioned the firmament. Let's look at this. they talk about ice stones and blah, blah, blah. Fronk: The future is a lie. . The truth lies in the 18 hundreds. Reject modernity, Now all of this would of course, imply that Antarctica isn't at all what they say. And we've [00:53:00] mentioned this quite a bit about the Antarctic treaty already and the Antarctic bases and all of the secrets that they hide and you can't go there. You're not allowed There. Only scientists. Yeah. That's where they're hiding the edge of the.  Dave: Let's board a plane real quick and try to go to Antarctica. I know we say we can get there by ship, but two major arguments about airplanes with the flat earth theory is one, there's no round trip flights to Antarctica. And I think we covered this briefly in our first one where we had said, Antarctica fucking sucks. And that's probably why there's no round trip flights and how a lot of the Southern Hemisphere flights cannot be explained. And I believe we went over that a lot in our first episode. And I still stick by all of what I thought about that. Now, the other question that comes up with this theory  one, can you see curve in a commercial aircraft? And two, the aircraft always has to be pitching nose down after a [00:54:00] certain amount of time. Those two arguments come up major in this theory. So I wanna get your thoughts on do planes always have to tip downward as you're flying? Cuz you've all been on flights before, Fronk: No, the plane isn't nose diving or it doesn't feel like it anyway. It doesn't seem like it's nose diving by any means. Dave: but you would feel it. You can feel drop in altitude when you're starting to descend and you feel that, whew, almost that weird weightlessness when they drop a couple hundred feet or a thousand feet pretty quickly. You can feel turbulence, obviously. , I don't think that it necessarily pitches downward after a certain distance because I think, like I said earlier, planes are tiny and the earth is huge. So I don't think there's that much effect of a plane having to move when it's floating on top of a surface of air. Fronk: If a plane pitched downwards while at like max [00:55:00] altitude, wouldn't it just start losing altitude? Wouldn't you just be going towards the ground or am I being peanut brained? Dave: If planes were going in the straight path following the Earth's curve, then they would fly off into space. That's what they say. And I think it's simpler than that. Planes fly in a certain area from 35,000 to 50,000 feet, especially commercial aircraft in a certain layer of air that's thinnest. Which is why they can move as fast as they can, but I don't believe that they're pitching because they're so tiny that everything is going to appear flat at 35,000 feet cuz the earth is so big. Mike: , they're maintaining a certain altitude from the ground, so they're not pitching anything. They're just going with the natural atmosphere of the earth. Dave: Gravity.  Mike: Yeah.    Dave: The plane thing never, never made too much sense to me, especially with the flying off into space. If you didn't compensate for curvature, it's because the Plains Center [00:56:00] mass is always perpendicular with the ground and the plane is so insignificantly small. That you will not notice those changes. You notice left and right banks on planes, , you take a direction moving towards another city, you see it, you feel the whole plane go and you're looking towards the ground. If you're ascending, you feel that inertia you're getting pulled up into the air, especially on takeoffs. Or if you're descending, you feel that, oh, the pilot goes, we're gonna be descending in a couple minutes, and all of a sudden you feel that that drop, you feel that motion left, right, and vertical but you don't feel those nudges that they say that they're doing. So I don't think that that happens. I just think the center mass of that plane is fighting against gravity to keep it up. It's a boat in the sky. Mike: even if they did, that's a continuous compensation. So it's not like they're flying a certain distance and then going, oh, well I'm eight inches above where I was before. I need to adjust. Even if that was the truth, they would just make manual [00:57:00] adjustments as they went. So over that period of time, a half inch, a quarter inch, whatever you wouldn't even be able to tell in the first place if that was the case. Fronk: And that would only be if you were flying like across the world. I'm sure it's even less so if you're flying from somewhere on the east coast down to like Minnesota or something, it's gonna be even less noticeable if you're traveling somewhere that local. Dave: You're only traveling a couple hundred miles. Fronk: Yeah, exactly. Mike: I'm sure the figures are out there, but how many flat earthers are from America versus from the rest of the world? Dave: Good question. Mike: just wondering. Dave: I don't know the answer to that. I would say there's a lot in America. America is a very conspiracy driven country at the moment, and flat earth boils down to every other conspiracy. If you believe wholeheartedly in this, you believe everything else, the lies, everything is fake. Your entire [00:58:00] existence is fake. that's from what I get Fronk: That sucks. And then, and then from that point where do they go with that? They yell at other people about it or We're gonna briefly go over the eclipse aspect of flat earth theory. Now, we all obviously know what eclipses are. That's when the moon aligns with the sun and the earth and blocks out the sun. You know the deal. and remember that the moon is 400 times smaller than the sun. It's also about 400 times closer to the earth than the sun is. Is that coincidence that this astronomical phenomenon happens? Uh, Dave: Well, I can tell you from the flat earth side that that is almost impossible.  Mike: It's pretty impossible either way. Like it's pretty coincidental. I will give it to them that when you're talking about the sun and the moon being these like perfect distances and these perfect sizes and these per that's intriguing to say the least. I will give them. Dave: Which we did go over[00:59:00] Hollow moon theory if the moon was placed here, it was placed here on purpose, but then that would give weight to some type of, maybe not creationism, but some type of external control or external observation, which I think all of us are on the fence with that.  That could be, it could not be, Mike: Again, prove to me that any of this is real Dave: So there's two types of eclipses. There's solar and lunar eclipses. Now, the way solar eclipses work is that the moon orbits in between the sun and the earth. And when that occurs, obviously the moon blocks out the sunlight. You see the corona bought a bing. You have a solar eclipse, and the moon also casts a shadow on the earth. Now, a lot of the times it's told that the moon can't cast this little tiny pin prick shadow that goes across the earth. But if the moon is relatively 200,000 miles away, why couldn't it?  Mike: According to flat Earth theorists, this astronomical phenomenon is [01:00:00] actually a glimpse of a mysterious shadow object that orbits the sun and occasionally passes in front of the moon. From our point of view, could it be planet X Nibiru? No. This object is known as the anti moon. That's new Dave: another random object in our solar system. We could go on and on about eclipses, but we have to talk about one of the biggest fallacies of our education system. Gravity, Mike: not real. Dave: not real. Now, one of the most well agreed upon theories is general relativity. And it is the theory of gravitation developed by our boy Albert Einstein, who was apparently a conman according to flat earthers. And between 1907 and 1915, he figured all this out. The theory of general relativity says that an observe gravitational effect between masses results from their warping of space time. Gravity is still just a theory to us. I guess we can all be on the fence [01:01:00] on it cause we really don't get it. And I think scientists have , admitted that they don't get it,  Mike: Well, didn't recently they say that they had to like rework that entire thought process for some discovery that they had found that the theory of relativity had to be, had to be rethought or it was not necessarily wrong entirely, but partially, I guess., it had to do with the way that a black hole was working, where for the first time they saw a star coming out of a black hole. Fronk: Yeah, I saw that it was being regurgitated. They saw light coming out of a black hole. That's right. Mike: Things are happening, man. Whether you believe in space or not, it's. Pretty wild. Fronk: Newton's love gravitation states every point Mass attracts every single other point mass by a force acting along the line intersecting both points. I don't know what that means. The force is proportional to the product of the two [01:02:00] masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. Exactly. That's what I've been saying this whole Mike: Sounds about right. Thanks boys. Well, what is gravity? According to this theory, it's stated that the earth isn't pulled into a sphere because the force known as gravity exists in a greatly diminished form compared to what is commonly taught, which is that we're being pulled down to the center of the earth while. The flat Earth is constantly accelerating up at a rate of 32 feet per second squared or 9.8 meters per second squared. As we had previously mentioned, this constant acceleration causes what you think of as gravity, but it's actually caused by a universal accelerator known as dark energy or Etheric wind. Never heard of Etheric wind. That's interesting, Fronk: time's that post Taco Bell shit's my etheric wind. Dave: [01:03:00] Furthermore with this we hear words like density and buoyancy a lot in these theories arguments, which is why things fall to the ground that are heavier and explains rockets, which are thought to actually be filled with helium and have a pyrotechnic show. that proves that all things fall at 9.8 meters squared.   Dave: All right boys, we're getting towards the end of our flat earth expedition here. But we have to go back in the sky. That brings us to rockets and satellites. As we just mentioned. Proponents of flat earth theory believe that satellites totally exist, but cannot be seen from the ground and are actually held in the atmosphere by helium balloons. Hence why NASA is the largest consumer of helium and they sometimes crash into the planet, which we call them weather balloons. And I guess that would explain the weather balloon phenomenon.  Fronk: Satellites in low earth orbit are constantly fighting gravity. According to science, some are geographically fixed and keep their [01:04:00] orbit by balancing two factors, their velocity, which is the speed required to travel in a straight line and their gravitational pull to the earth. To resist the stronger gravitational pole, a satellite orbiting closer to the earth requires more velocity. And of course, we're not going to get out of this debriefing without a little bit of NASA sprinkled in that bitch. Mike: Yes, good old nasa, our friends over there, professional cgi. It's widely assumed that humans have never left the Earth's atmosphere. In fact, we've never left earth and entered space because we lack the ability to do so in the first place unless you're a Nazi and a U-boat. Most of what society has been taught about space is completely made up or greatly exaggerated. By the government and or the elites. There's also the claim that humans have never landed on the moon. I'm with that, and that the infamous moon landings witnessed by the entire world in [01:05:00] 1969 were a sham. Fronk: Okay. I'll give them that. A major claim is that any pictures from the Apollo 11 mission that show that our planet as a sphere in the distance were fabricated by the government and nasa and NASA's mission is not to hide the shape of the earth or trick people into thinking it's round or anything else of the sort. Dave: Well, that's what NASA says, right?  We obviously know that there's some type of space travel conspiracy, whether it's more advanced or it doesn't exist. Possibly Nasa's mission is to create the illusion of space travel in order to, cover for the military, and their dominance in space. One thing we forgot to mention that I thought of real quick when you guys were talking is the quick notion on gravity. There's a lot of flat earthers that will say, well, can you jump, when you jump off the earth, you a hundred, 200 pound person jumping off the earth. Do you come back [01:06:00] down? And was it easy to jump? Then why is gravity so strong? Fronk: that's the whole argument of like, why does Gravity hold our planet's, oceans On  Dave: Yeah. Yeah. If it can  hold all this water and all this mass,  why can you jump off your roof and hit the ground? Mike: Because there is a different pull depending on the mass of the object.  Dave: Mike wins a gold star Fronk: gold sticker for you. Mike: boys, let's get into our final thoughts. Everything that was on Reddit, we've been through, we've done this whole thing. I wanna know the final thoughts as we get into stage two of becoming a flat earth. are we now believing that gravity is not real? The sun is a, lamp and uh, and we live on a flat plain, surrounded by an ice wall. Dave, are you a flat earther? Dave: No. sadly, I am not a flat earther. I think it's an [01:07:00] interesting theory that opens up a lot of more conspiracies and there are some valid questions, but I think a lot of it has to do with our lack of actually being able to see things because we are restricted beings. Uh, the one thing about flat earth theory that I find really fascinating is the suppression of information, the hidden things. And I think that's the conspiratorial part that really pulls me, believing that it is a different shape or an infinite plane or a snow globe, or, flatterers is gonna get so mad at me for saying that because we don't believe it's a snow globe. It doesn't look like a pancake. They all have different theories and a lot of it goes back to religion. A lot of it goes to creationism. A lot of it goes back to every other conspiracy you've ever heard of. So for me, still, I still think we live on a planet. the definition of planet is what we live on. Is it a perfect sphere? I think that's proven that it's not a perfect sphere.[01:08:00] I'm not a scientist, but I've done research and research and research and supposedly it takes up to two weeks or so to become a flat earth. I've been doing this research since like the end of July, and I'm still not convinced. wanted to give it a fair shake. Didn't wanna be a douche bag. Would invite any flat earth to come on and talk to us. We'd love to have you on, but You didn't get me yet. Mike: I will take my final thoughts, a complete left turn here. I don't care. I don't care whether it's a giant paella pan or if we live on a dodge ball. I, I don't care. I don't care. Maybe it's the blue pilled part of my brain that still exists. I don't give a shit. It doesn't change anything. I'm still gonna wake up in the morning and have to go to work, have to pay my taxes, and eventually I'm gonna fucking die. That's just the way that it is. I don't care if we live on a flat plane, I don't care if we live on a globe. It's just the way that [01:09:00] it is. but I don't think that we live on a fly plane. I'm just gonna say that I don't think that I, I do think that there is a lot of cover up of our former history. That much I believe is true. I do believe that NASA is filled with a bunch of liars and they do fabricate things including, setting up these videos where they're watching astronauts float around, but the water stays in a cup. That's an interesting one. , I do think that they do composite images together and they are a bunch of liars that I completely agree with. . I love you whether you're a flat earth or not, but no, it's a no for me. Fran, give us your final thoughts. Did you become a flat earther in this episode?   Fronk: No, I didn't. , I'm not gonna go off on a limb and say that I tried to give flat earth theory, the benefit of [01:10:00] the doubt, but I tried to stay open-ended, especially towards like the beginning of the episode. I was just trying to like see it from both sides and I still do to an extent. And you're right in saying that their best argument is the space shit and nasa, but, that can't be all you're going off of here, because that, lends to so much other shit besides just the shape of the planet.  And not only that, if you're like sold on the shape of the planet, then you've been deceived. You know what, I'm gonna pull a flirter and tell you what you've been taught on. The internet is wrong, and it's all code. You've been tricked into thinking that what we live on is physical and that it has shape. There is no shape. I've never even been out of the country. You can't even convince me that Australia's real, let alone the, the, the fucking shape of the  Mike: you're partial flat earther because they don't believe that Australia is real either. Fronk: [01:11:00] Oh, no. Australia's not real Mike: listen, if you're in Australia and you, uh, you live there full time, reach out to us. Send us an email. Even better a voicemail, because I just want to hear the accent. Send us a voicemail and say, Hey, yeah, I exist. I'm here. This is a real place. Dave: Clearly they exist. They're number three on our Spotify Mike: That's right. Thanks Australia. Fronk: No, I, I never tried to doubt Australia. It was a metaphor, but Dave: Our Hustralians down under, Mike: That's hilarious. Dave: , if we offended you we're sorry. Well, I partially am. Mike: I, I, listen, I tried this episode. I think that I was better than the first episode. I didn't sit there and say anybody was an idiot or any of that stuff. like I said, you believe what you wanna believe, but on, at the end of the day, I don't think that it really matters. Fronk: And if it makes you feel [01:12:00] special, by all means,

Mindframes hosts Michael Cockerill and Dave Canfield join me for this special tribute to honor our dear friend Sergio Mims. Several years ago, I did an episode on one of his favorite directors, Michael Curtiz. Of course you are encouraged to listen to that. But I asked Mike & Dave to join me to revisit two titles in particular from Curtiz as well as recommend several others as a way of honoring the memory of Sergio. Perhaps one of these films is an all-time classic called CASABLANCA? In addition, we review a couple of recent titles like RRR and AFTERSUN. Not only that, but after our conversation, you'll get to hear Sergio one last time on this show. Over a year ago, we did a Patreon exclusive episode on THE CHARGE OF THE LIGHT BRIGADE, only not the Curtiz version surprisingly. Wanted everyone to hear Sergio's thoughts on that excellent film since it steps things up and is more faithful to the true story than Curtiz's take. Thank you so much for listening and mucho gratitude to Mike and Dave for coming on to talk some classics. We briefly mention our love of DOCTOR X, KING CREOLE and THE SEA WOLF! Listen to Sergio Mims' Michael Curtiz episode (7 years ago): https://directorsclubpodcast.libsyn.com/website/episode-99-michael-curtiz For more Mike & Dave reviews, check out Mindframes! https://mindframesfilm.com 00:00 - 08:04 - Intro 08:05 - 30:33 - What We Watched Recently 30:34 - 01:18:57 - Curtiz & Casablanca 01:18:58 - 01:55:20 - The Breaking Point 01:55:21 - 02:16:10 - Other Curtiz Films / Outro 02:16:11 - 03:01:11 - Sergio Mims Talks About The Charge Of The Light Brigade!

Mike & Dave talk everything SOTD Draft. We break down the best teams and the best late round picks. Plus we make our picks to win each division. We are LIVE!

After a month of preparation, Chris Klemmer gets his chance to pitch himself for a job at Barstool Sports. Kirk, Mike & Dave react to the first day of Barstool Idol.

Follow Mixtapes With Mike on Instagram here... Support Mixtapes With Mike on Patreon hereCheck out Tim & Gends Weekend podcast here... Listen to this weeks mixtape on Apple Music here…https://music.apple.com/gb/playlist/mixtapes-with-mike-david-thompson/pl.u-pMylAVLu11yKqListen to this weeks mixtape on Spotify here...https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37gcifsK3PWRKr78xzPmoH?si=mpuPGeBqRIWd1HxwZv2pvQ&dl_branch=1 Get It Together  4:06 Beastie Boys 5446 Thats My Number / Ball and Chain  5:18 SublimeLeave the Light On  1:55 Lagwagon Know Your Enemy  4:55 Rage Against the MachineTrani  5:01 Kings of Leon YTwo Steps, Twice  4:41 Foals Jukebox Lean  2:36 New Bomb Turks Pretentious Friends (feat. Busdriver)  3:32 Modeselektor All I Need (feat. Gift of Gab)  2:51 L'Orange & Jeremiah Jae Citizen Smif  2:52 Jehst As always the music discussed is played below the conversation as I believe that all musicians should be paid for what they do. This is why a purposely point the listener towards the mixtape on streaming platforms and implore you to support your local record shop by seeking out the physical releases of anything you discover through this podcast, I recommend Black Circle Recordshttps://blackcirclerecords.co.uk

Follow Dave Merheje on instagram here...Check out his podcast The Beautifully Anxious here...Follow Mixtapes With Mike on Instagram here... Listen to this weeks mixtape on Apple Music here...https://music.apple.com/gb/playlist/mixtapes-with-mike-dave-merheje/pl.u-zPyLBo5Trr4x7 Listen to this weeks mixtape on Spotify here...https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1Xkk0Y1ly0dQd1yQWnSHps?si=AX_QL4G9RDCoru-X6Ml3rg Northface  4:14 Gabagool Gang & Rob GF Peaches (feat. Daniel Caesar & GIVĒON)  3:18 Justin Bieber Slime Mentality  3:02 YoungBoy Never Broke Again Kodiak Moments  2:47 Roshin Last Day In  3:10 Kodak Black Bringing It Back  3:11 Digga D & AJ Tracey Lemon Pepper Freestyle (feat. Rick Ross)  6:23 Drake A Place Like This  4:22 Majid Jordan Ali  3:12Mustafa exile (feat. Bon Iver)  4:46 Taylor Swift 2009  5:48 Mac MillerNorthface  4:14 Gabagool Gang & Rob GFAs always the music discussed is played below the conversation as I believe that all musicians should be paid for what they do. This is why a purposely point the listener towards the mixtape on streaming platforms and implore you to support your local record shop by seeking out the physical releases of anything you discover through this podcast, I recommend Black Circle Recordshttps://blackcirclerecords.co.uk

Have you heard of ONE MILLION MOMS AGAINST GUN CONTROL? Mary Callison joins the show and shares how they’re battling Bloomberg and Moms Demand Action to protect MOM’s self defense rights! Learn about her gut-wrenching story that drives her 2nd Amendment activism.  Find out more about 1 Million Moms Against Gun Control: https://www.1mmagc.org/ Bill Desy’s company CCWUSA, was one of the sponsors for COVER YOUR ASP WEEK last month. The interesting was that Bill, one of San Diego’s TOP trainers, was also a STUDENT at the 2 day class! Find out why this isn’t that unusual in the training world. Register & take a class with Bill on his website: http://www.ccwusa.com/ What does institutional racism have to do with guns? Listen to the 5:00 segment as Mike & Dave discuss Mike's latest article that was published in San Diego's Union Tribute, "Opinion: New gun control laws are a form of institutional racism. Here’s why." https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/commentary/story/2021-04-06/opinion-new-gun-control-laws-institutional-racism Home of Nancy Pelosi, Gavin Newsom and Diane Feinstein! Guess what you can get in SAN FRANCISCO now? BELIEVE IT OR NOT: CONCEALED CARRY WEAPONS PERMITS! Dr Raymond Kim joins the show to talk about this amazing news.  Do you live in San Francisco County and want to exercise your constitutionally protected right to self defense?  Download the CCW application here: https://www.gunownersradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/2020-Full-CCW-Packet.pdf STUMP MY NEPHEW: What caliber is an M26? MIKE DROP: Mara Elliot, Part DUH -- The right to self-defense is a basic human right. Gun ownership is an integral part of that right. If you want to keep your rights defend them by joining San Diego County Gun Owners (SDCGO),  Orange County Gun Owners (OCGO) in Orange County, San Bernardino County Gun Owners (SBCGO) in San Bernardino County or Riverside County Gun Owners (RCGO) in Riverside. Support the cause by listening to Gun Owners Radio live on Sunday afternoon or on the internet at your leisure Join the fight and help us restore and preserve our second amendment rights. Together we will win. https://www.sandiegocountygunowners.com https://orangecountygunowners.com/ https://sanbernardinocountygunowners.org/ https://riversidecountygunowners.com/ https://www.firearmspolicy.org/ https://www.gunownersca.com/ https://gunowners.org Show your support for Gun Owners Radio sponsors! https://www.primeres.com/alpine https://dillonlawgp.com https://www.uslawshield.com https://www.seal1.net https://www.nationalconcealedcarryassociation.com https://www.blackhoundoptics.com

Mike & Dave are joined by Jessi Johnson from the Wyoming Wildlife Federation.  Topics Discussed: Join in on the Conservation Conversation   The false need for a Recording Studio, 5 Things Episodes and their Shelf Life, How Pastries make the Legislative World Go Around, Smuggling Zebra Mussels in Pet Store Moss Balls, One Careless Flush Away, Wolves and the Endangered Species Act, Blowing past your Wolf Conservation Goals on both ends, What Talking smack about your Podcast Producer will Get You, How Wolves Are Married to Politics, Night Vision and Bait as Conservation Tools and Dangerous Marketing Points, Being a Great Advocate for Hunting, Fishing and Conservation, Sneaky Dead Bills, Crying Wolf when it comes to UGENT ACTION on Policy, and much more.   This Episode Produced by Ben Paige

This is part 2 of my conversation with Dave MacLeod. We talked about key points from Dave’s book 9 Out of 10 Climbers, how he uses flexible programming to train around the weather in Scotland, his current carnivore diet experiment, and listener questions about aging, piles of eggs, disordered eating, fatherhood, Scottish climbing, and more.Support the Podcast:patreon.com/thenuggetclimbingShow Notes:thenuggetclimbing.com/episodes/dave-macleod-part-2Nuggets:4:10 – Why Dave wrote ‘9 out of 10 Climbers Make the Same Mistakes’11:09 – Using ‘9 out of 10’ to discover your own individual pitfalls, and why Dave has become more and more interested in lifestyle15:28 – Using your climbing partners as mirrors, changing your circumstances, and the shortcut to sending your project21:00 – Dave’s common pitfall—quality recovery22:25 – Productivity and the value of having a home wall26:30 – “Bouldering is king”, and how Dave fits indoor bouldering sessions around outdoor climbing31:47 – How Dave uses flexible programing for his training37:01 – Periodization as a tool for introducing variety38:52 – Fingerboarding on the same day as bouldering and Dave’s thoughts on which to do first40:33 – The “one-minute-per-move” rule42:40 – Patron Question from Adriel: Any advice for maintaining a positive growth curve as you age? What does Dave think the upper age limit is for hitting peak performance?48:23 – Dave’s take on how much protein to eat per day49:39 – Dave’s current carnivore diet experiment57:10 – Sport climbing on a ketogenic diet1:07:20 – Patron Question from Charizze: How many eggs make a pile of eggs?1:10:17 – Patron Question from Maria: How do manage the strength to weight ratio through diet, while avoiding falling down the rabbit hole of energy deficiency and/or disordered eating?1:16:42 – Patron Question from Mike: Dave, you’re a hero, but I’ll be honest, much of the climbing in Scottland looks chossy and overgrown. What crag should a climber from the US visit to correct that misconception?1:19:07 – What time of year is best to visit Scottland to climb, and the “24/8”1:22:23 – Patron Question from Laurent: How do you balance fatherhood and climbing? Any secret beta for a new father who’d like to keep improving at climbing while being present in his daughter’s life?1:25:59 – Patron Question from Eric: Any recommendations for injury-prone climbers?1:30:50 – Favorite discipline of climbing1:32:05 – Last meal1:32:39 – Recommended books1:36:24 – Advice for his 20-year-old self1:37:26 – Advice for his 30-year-old self1:39:52 – Defining climbing moments1:42:14 – One of the best decisions Dave has ever made1:42:54 – Gratitude1:44:21 – Excited to focus on climbing

This week Mike chats with his friend Dave about how it’s been starting, producing and recording his latest musical venture; D H O P E! In more detail, Mike & Dave briefly say how they met, before delving into how Dave’s musical interest started & some of his previous projects, Dave then explains why he’s recently started releasing DHOPE music amidst the lockdown, musical influences and genres in general are discussed, as well as how Dave names tracks without vocals/lyrics, how Dave will potentially perform DHOPE live, DHOPE’s artwork, motivation & distractions and more! D H O P E's Spotify – Soundcloud - IG: @d_h_o_p_e1989 - FB: /DHOPEsmusic In the last episode of GCC; number 108, Mike spoke with two special guests; BZ The Voice and Steve J. Ray (of Superheroes For Dummies) to talk about Green Lantern, voice-acting and BZ’s upcoming GL fan-film “In The Brightest Day Off” as well as the X-Men, comic book movies, commitment, music in movies, the Fantastic Four and much more! Mike appeared on a recent episode of Comics On Trial, prosecuting Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker against Tony of Indie Comics Spotlight with Mike’s occasional co-host Megan as the judge (6th December): https://spoti.fi/3otJN5I Mike also appeared on the second episode of Comics On Trial, defending The Phantom Menace against Scott of 20th Century Geek – found on the feed of Comics In Motion Mike was on episode 42 of Indie Comics Spotlight, him & Tony spoke with Mark Russell, author of Second Coming & Billionaire Island, found on the feed of Comics In Motion! Mike was also on an episode of the Rob And Slim Show, released November 17th! As well as the above, Mike featured on the Scott Pilgrim Vs The World review for the TV & Movies show on Comics In Motion where he discussed the movie with Dave of CiM and Tony of Indie Comic Spotlight (dated 8th October), check it out here! Mike has another show, called Star Wars: Comics In Canon – all episodes can be found on Comics In Motion’s podcast feed and episodes will be out every Saturday; episodes 0-37 are now out, 37 is the pre-Solo Lando comic, 36 is the Star Wars/Aphra crossover: The Screaming Citadel and 35 is about the Age Of Republic Villains comics! Previous episodes topics include the Journals of Old Ben Kenobi, Count Dooku, Chewbacca, Galaxy’s Edge, Darth Vader and the Vader Down crossover event, Mace Windu, Darth Vader, Doctor Aphra, The Rise Of Kylo Ren, Darth Maul beyond The Phantom Menace, how C-3PO got his red arm & more - https://apple.co/39mut2Y Genuine Chit-Chat is a part of the Brit Pod Scene, so be sure to check out the other members of the family as well as the BPS podcast – www.britpodscene.com Instagram – Twitter – Facebook – YouTube – Stitcher - Podbean - Spotify You can also email Mike at GenuineChitChat@outlook.com with any reviews, comments or suggestions.

Mandy, Mike & Dave movie reviews of:"Sinatra, All or Nothing at All" and "Capone"

The trio of hush are back with episode two of The Hush Hush Society Conspiracy Hour with more mind bending mysteries as they drop into MK-ULTRA! A now declassied program known as the 'CIA Mind Control Program' were a series of mostly illegal and inhumane experiments. Using mind altering drugs/chemicals (LSD) on mostly unsuspecting patients, colleagues even led to one of the Army's own scientists 'jumping' to his death in 1953 in a NYC hotel! Sleep deprivation, massive electric shocks, verbal/physical torture, psychic driving, and hypnosis! The program began in the infancy of the Cold War to create a 'robot soldier or spy' so Americans would have their minds wiped clean or the Soviets that were captured would give up their secrets! (1:29) Dave introduces the MK-ULTRA Program and its start in 1953 to its demise in 1973. Over 149 different projects. (3:11) Fronk elaborates on the prisoner James "Whitey" Bulgars involvement and how he wrote 70 letters about the negative experience. Bulgar was a crime boss and FBI informant from Boston, Massachusetts. (4:41) Dave goes into the depth of the program as well as the budget of 10 million dollars (adjusted $87.5 million for inflation) (6:15) Mike introduces Albert Hofmann, a Swiss chemist and the first to synthesize and ingest LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) he also named the compound psilocybin. (6:57) Steven Kinzner an American author claims that MK-ULTRA "was a continuation of the work begun in WWII-era Japanese facilities and Nazi concentration camps on subduing and controlling human minds" (7:42) Dave talks about the strange incident on August 15, 1951 where the entire town of Pont- Saint- Esprit, A small town in southern France that was 'poisoned' (9:38) Project Bluebird and Project Artichoke are mentioned (12:04) Dave goes into the operation held in San Francisco called, Operation Midnight Climax. (14:00) Mike talks about Sidney Gottlieb, an American chemist (15:05) Dave delves into the methods used in the program (18:20) Mike & Dave fill us in about a Canadian, Robert Logan who had undergone some of these experiments (26:05) The trio touch the actions that happened directly after WWII and Nazi scientists (28:23) Oct 4, 1995 - President Bill Clinton apologized to the families about the MK-ULTRA Program. (29:40) Frank Olson, an American Army scientist that worked for the United States Army Biological Warfare Laboratories (USBWL) at Camp Detrick (now Fort Detrick). After being dosed with LSD, nine days later on November 28th 1953 he 'jumped' to his death. (33:20) In 1973 CIA Director Richard Helms ordered the MK-ULTRA documents destroyed. (39:00) Stansfield Turner was appointed to write the 15 page report by Jimmy Carter which is now declassified and available to the public. Easily found on Wikipedia. (41:15) Mike and the guys close up the show with a quick discussion of MK-ULTRA and its possible current activity. If you have any questions or comments about the show please contact us at: HushHushSociety@planetmail.com or via Twitter, Facebook & Instagram. For all listening platforms go to: http://linktr.ee/hushhushsociety

The Boys Are Back in Town! Your favourite sports talk radio hosts have a new home in Mississauga, Ontario. RAW Mike Richards and David Bastl on Newstalk Sauga 960AM. What to expect? Doc Lee an author of Behind the Horror joins Mike & Dave this morning along with Greg David from TV eh!Sports, laughter, the occasional dirty look and the GTA's best and most detailed West End traffic. Your mornings have become more RAW! Monday – Friday 6am – 9am, on Newstalk Sauga 960AM. Stream us LIVE at sauga960am.ca or find us on iTunes, Google Play, Spotify, and now TWITCH!www.twitch.tv/rawmikerichardsBrought to you by Bell Lifestyle Products.

 This week we have Greg, Mike Dave, and Wilson…all the familiar faces coming back! **Sponsors** Sonar.software Cambium ePMP Bundle **/Sponsors** This week we talk about: WISP Virtual Summit July 28th Save Dave’s brain RIP Ubiquiti Unifi Video – EOL 1/1/2021 zwift.com Cloudflare DNS outage David – Arduino, PHP programming, cycling and weight loss, new(More)…

(05-14-2020) - this week Randy and Bob welcome the stars of the new Discovery TV show "Car Kings", a couple of them may look familiar.    Both Beau Boeckmann and "Mad MIke" are alumni from "Pimp My Ride", and it's apparant mechanic Dave Shuten is pretty focused on his car projects.    Randy called him OCD, Dave....doesn't have a problem with that.    What was their first cars, Bob suggests what they should do on their next trip to Japan, and the Pantera that Carroll Shelby had that was the precursor to the Viper!     LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, and SHARE!!

Mike & Dave examine a world where Tom Brady is the only sports story. Every day. Bill Simmons infects Ben Volin with misinformation.

Mike Dave & Shannon welcome on Sky Ski superstar Geno Yauchler. Listen to Geno's illustrious story of a multi event competitor and performer and the fun along the way. Also the boys elaborate on a new segment called "The Break".  --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/dave-briscoe/message

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Mike Dave & Shannon, continue the journey with Lucky Lowe and get a little deeper into his story and his hobbies out side of the lake. And we learn more about Mikes veterinarian adventures. and we talk about some crazy items to eat --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/dave-briscoe/message

@mikepacheco81 and @friedman_dave are out West with @WUEagles @WInthrop_MBB. On the latest @beardedcarcast the guys discuss their adventures leading into the final contest of the three game, Six day road trip. Also in this episode, Mike + Dave discuss the trilling finish at Fresno State and what will happen with Cam Newton in Carolina? Beardedcarcast@outlook.com.

To celebrate Father’s Day, we invited dads from our Hubbard Radio family to speak on-air about the joys of fatherhood.

Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy 06.16.18 - Mike, Dave, Nicki, Billy and Hops 2018 U.S. Open Picks on DraftKings.com  Part 4 Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy is brought to you by Best Hole-In-One, Nicki Anderson, Realtor, Hawaii Condo, The Patrons Caddy,  Slickstix.com, McGaughey Health Group,  Taylor Made Golf, Sundale Country Club , McPhees Grill, Orange Whip Golf, Paso Robles Golf Club , and The Paso Robles Inn- use code PASO to enter Paso Robles Golf Package contest at Golftalkradio.com.  Visit Golftalkradio.com for the latest show information, contests, videos, iPhone and Android Apps and more! If you are interested in advertising with Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy email us at info@golftalkradio.com

[INTRO] CANDY OPERA ... THE FAT LADY HAS FINALLY SUNG!   [THE MAGIC BISCUIT TIN] Mal, Mike & Dave, Candy Opera & the Jammy Dodger, Scottish Shortbread & Mint Club   Kidney Bingos - #Wire #ColinNewman    [NR] [WORLD EXCLUSIVE] Zelda's In The Spotlight - #GoKartMozart #Felt #Denim #Lawrence #LawrenceHayward #CherryRedRecords  cherryred.co.uk [WEEKLY PEEL] AUGUST 28 - 1990 God Knows It's True - #TeenageFanclub #PeelSession #JohnPeel The Colour Out Of Space - #SerpentPower #IanSkelly #PaulMolloy #TheCoral #TheZutons serpentpower.bandcamp.com Thread Of Light - #PaleSaints      Cruel City - #Augustines [COVER ME] Hurdy Gurdy Man - #BrixSmith #Donovan #TheFall [DEDICATION] God Forbid #TheWildSwans  I'll Stick With You - #ThePrimitives    [NR] First Exit - #WildMeadows  wildmeadows.bandcamp.com Formulae - #JJ72   Tessellate - #altJ    [OBLIGATORY FALL-AH] Cheetham Hill - #TheFall MarkESmith [NR] Leeches - #GiantBoys    facebook.com/giantboysgiantboys The Ex-Members Of The Fall Club - #TheContainerDrivers #TheFall #MarkESmith At Night In Dreams - #WhiteDenim        Looking Glass - #TheLas    Mind The Gap - #Calexico    [NEW RELEASE HATTRICK] [NR] Coast To Coast - #tUnEyArDs #MerrillGarbus tune-yards.com [NR] Sometimes - #ProfessorYaffle    [NR] [WORLD EXCLUSIVE] A Black Hood On His Head - #GoKartMozart #Felt #Denim #Lawrence #LawrenceHayward #CherryRedRecords cherryred.co.uk  [NR] Wake Up Call - #Embrace embrace.tmstor.es Just Too Bloody Stupid - #CloseLobsters     [ESSENTIAL WAX] CLOSE LOBSTERS - FOXHEADS STALK THIS LAND - 1987 In Spite Of These Times- #CloseLobsters Feeling In My Pocket - #TheShipbuilders  soundcloud.com/shipbuilders I Don't Believe In You - #TalkTalk     [T'INTERWEB TIME] theblogthatcelebratesitself.bandcamp.com/album/popkiss-tbtci-meets-sarah-recs [NR] Underneath It All - #BlackbirdBlackbird #MikeyMaramag blackbirdblackbird.net blackbirdblackbird.bandcamp.com [NR] [WORLD EXCLUSIVE] The Good Book And The Green - #CandyOpera #FirestationRecords [NR] [WORLD EXCLUSIVE] Serious - #CandyOpera #FirestationRecords [INTERVIEW] Mal, Mike & Dave - Candy Opera soundcloud.com/firestationrecords firestation-records.de facebook.com/groups/367152277067849 [NR] [WORLD EXCLUSIVE] With Yesterday In All The Right Places - #CandyOpera #FirestationRecords [TARA]   email:  NearPerfectPitch@gmail.com   Web:  NearPerfectPitch.com Twitter:  @NearPerfPitch    Instagram:  @NearPerfectPitch   Facebook: facebook.com/NearPerfectPitch    Listen to 'Near Perfect Pitch' on ...   iTunes Google Play TuneIn Podbean Radio.net iHeart Radio The Anfield Index and ... on CKCU at ckcufm.com or 93.1 FM in Ottawa    

Ahoy hoy ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to another episode of the CAMcast.  After a weekend full of amazing racing, and on the eve of a big announcement from Dodge, Mike & Dave went in the basement and talked about none of those things! Yes, neither of them watched the weekend's racing.  Nor did they get on the Dodge Demon reveal event until late in the game.  No, instead they went and did something they had been talking about for months, but never did anything to forward the idea: they did a commentary track for a movie!  Not just any movie,: Days of Thunder, the 1990 NASCAR classic starring Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman, Robert Duvall, Randy Quiad, Michael Rooker, Cary Elwes, and a youthful John C. Reilly.  Follow along as Mike and Dave make jokes, provide insight, and have an epiphany or two. Thank you for listening!  If you haven't yet, and if you liked what you heard, could you head over to iTunes and subscribe, comment, and rate us?  It'd be mighty appreciated.  Subscribe to us on YouTube to see our new series, The Driving Experience, and some behinds the scenes clips too.  And follow us on our social media channels! Twitter Instagram Facebook YouTube iTunes We'll be back next week with another new episode!  Thanks for listening

Eddie the Eagle, Into the Woods, Big Short, Clash of the Titans, Gods of Egypt, Takers, Bad Moms, Argo, Mike & Dave, Hail,Caesar!, Now You See Me 2, Money Monster, The Brothers Grimsby, La La Land, Passengers, Resident Evil, Fantastic Beasts, Rogue One.

Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy 10.08.16 - Mike & Dave's thoughts on the 2016 Ryder Cup. - Part 3 Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy is brought to you by The Patrons Caddy, Vegas Golf, The Game, Slickstix.com, Premier Irish Golf Tours, Adams Golf, Sundale Country Club , McPhees Grill, The Nordic Plow and Paso Robles Golf Club. Visit Golftalkradio.com for the latest show information, contests, videos, iPhone and Android Apps and more! If you are interested in advertising with Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy email us at info@golftalkradio.com

07.09.2016 Episode 11 unseres Podcasts gefüllt mit jeder Menge Infos rund um aktuelle Filme (Ben Hur, Mike & Dave Need Wedding Dates), News, Box Office u.v.m. Mit Johannes & Colin Segmente: 00:00 Begrüßung 03:43 News 15:34 Challenge 21:27 Kino der Woche 36:39 Vorschau auf nächste Woche 42:09 Box Office 45:43 Bad Movie Synopsis 47:57 Verabschiedung https://facebook.com/PlanetFilmGeek/ https://twitter.com/PlanetFilmGeek https://twitter.com/movieschmidt http://letterboxd.com/movieschmidt Music by Kevin MacLeod "Volatile Reaction" "Exhilarate" "Motherlode" www.incompetech.com Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

Adam Devine returns to talk his new movie MIKE & DAVE starring him and Zac Efron, the crazy ideas they have to promote the movie, the best parts of making season 3 of his hit standup showcase show HOUSE PARTY, premiering March 3rd on COMEDY CENTRAL, the Clippers new Condor mascot, and breaks down the formula for writing a hit 90's punk song. He's one of the best dudes and comedians out there, and he's about to blow the fuck up! Always the funnest when he's here, enjoy this episode, and follow Adam on TWITTER @ADAMDEVINE.

Mike Dave and Tim discuss their recent inner turmoil and work out their issues with each other. Also on the docket Eric Garner, NYC protests, mainstream media influence, and Tim’s mystery school. www.deepinsidetherabbithole.com/ standupnylabs.com theweednews.com

Jim Delaby, PGA Professional joins Mike Brabenec, PGA Profesional during the 2nd hour as does Dave Schimandle from Slickstix.com.  Jim, Mike & Dave discuss golf warm up techniques and how to keep your mental game sharp in the Play Box.Special offer: visit www.ineedtheball.com and type in "Golf Talk" when making a purchase to receive FREE SHIPPING & 10% off your purchase!  Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy is brought to you by Ineedtheball, Slickstix.com, Polara Golf, Adams Golf, Sundale Country Club , McPhees Grill, Redwood Empire Golf CC and Paso Robles Golf Club. Visit Golftalkradio.com for the latest show information, contests, videos, iPhone and Android Apps and more! If you are interested in advertising with Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy email us at info@golftalkradio.com.Special offer: visit www.polaragolf.com and type in "July" when making a purchase to receive 30% off your purchase!

Dave Schimandle joins Mike Brabenec in the ESPN 1280am studio to discuss the 2014 Ryder Cup.  Mike & Dave also ask...what would you imprint on your golf ball if you could knowing that you will lose it and someone will find it?  Special offer: visit www.polaragolf.com and type in "July" when making a purchase to receive 30% off your purchase!  Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy is brought to you by Slickstix.com, Polara Golf, Adams Golf, Sundale Country Club , McPhees Grill, Redwood Empire Golf CC and Paso Robles Golf Club. Visit Golftalkradio.com for the latest show information, contests, videos, iPhone and Android Apps and more! If you are interested in advertising with Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy email us at info@golftalkradio.com.

Neil Sagebiel, author of "Draw in the Dunes" the 1969 Ryder Cup calls in to discuss his new book.  Mike & Dave discuss the proper ball position, the fairway wood swing and hybrid swing.  Special offer: visit www.polaragolf.com and type in "July" when making a purchase to receive 30% off your purchase!  Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy is brought to you by Slickstix.com, Polara Golf, Adams Golf, Sundale Country Club , McPhees Grill, Redwood Empire Golf CC and Paso Robles Golf Club. Visit Golftalkradio.com for the latest show information, contests, videos, iPhone and Android Apps and more! If you are interested in advertising with Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy email us at info@golftalkradio.com.

Mike & Dave interview Mike Duplessis about his amazing golf feats....hole-in-ones, eagles and amazing 9-hole scores all in only 370 days!  Mike & Dave discuss the benefits of club fitting and golf lessons together.  Get your Golf Talk Radio App for Apple products here  For Android and other smart phones here. Special offer: visit www.polaragolf.com and type in "July" when making a purchase to receive 30% off your purchase!  Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy is brought to you by Slickstix.com, Polara Golf, Adams Golf, Sundale Country Club , McPhees Grill, Redwood Empire Golf CC and Paso Robles Golf Club. Visit Golftalkradio.com for the latest show information, contests, videos, iPhone and Android Apps and more! If you are interested in advertising with Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy email us at info@golftalkradio.com.

Dave Schimandle co-hosts this week with Mike.  During Mike's Course Mike & Dave discuss impact the game of golf can have on junior golfers.  Mike & Dave also discuss the recently released Masters odds.  Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy is brought to you by Slickstix.com, Polara Golf,Adams Golf,The Links at RiverLakes Ranch Golf Course , Ernest Sports ES12 & ES14, McPhees Grill, and Paso Robles Golf Club. Visit Golftalkradio.comfor the latest show information, contests, videos, iPhone and Android Apps and more! If you are interested in advertising with Golf Talk Radio with .Mike & Billy email us atinfo@golftalkradio.com.

Ron Vinson calls from the Club @ Houston site of the upcoming Shell Houston Open with a preview of the upcoming PGA Tour event and how it prepares players for the Masters.  Mike & Dave play "Chip Away@ It!"Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy is brought to you bySlickstix.com, Polara Golf,Adams Golf,The Links at RiverLakes Ranch Golf Course , Ernest Sports ES12 & ES14, McPhees Grill, and Paso Robles Golf Club. Visit Golftalkradio.comfor the latest show information, contests, videos, iPhone and Android Apps and more! If you are interested in advertising with Golf Talk Radio with .Mike & Billy email us atinfo@golftalkradio.com.

Dave Schimandle co-hosts the show with Mike this week.  Jim Delaby, PGA Teaching Professional stops by the ESPN 1280am studio to share his new beginnger golf program.  Mike & Dave discuss the top story lines happening at Doral's Blue Monster.  Golf Talk Radio Hot Topic - Do you like watching PGA Tour players struggle?  Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy is brought to you bySlickstix.com, Polara Golf,Adams Golf,The Links at RiverLakes Ranch Golf Course , Ernest Sports ES12 & ES14, McPhees Grill, and Paso Robles Golf Club. Visit Golftalkradio.comfor the latest show information, contests, videos, iPhone and Android Apps and more! If you are interested in advertising with Golf Talk Radio with .Mike & Billy email us atinfo@golftalkradio.com.

Mike & Dave start off the second hour with their favorite golf tips.  Listener Steve calls in to give his opinion on the PGA Tour Players of today and Doral.  Mike & Dave round out the hour discussing how the PGA Tour Players are adjusting their wedges for the Masters at Augusta.Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy is brought to you bySlickstix.com, Polara Golf,Adams Golf,The Links at RiverLakes Ranch Golf Course , Ernest Sports ES12 & ES14, McPhees Grill, and Paso Robles Golf Club. Visit Golftalkradio.comfor the latest show information, contests, videos, iPhone and Android Apps and more! If you are interested in advertising with Golf Talk Radio with .Mike & Billy email us atinfo@golftalkradio.com.

Dave Rogers & Mike Handcock will be sharing the Entrepreneur 'X' Factor learnings from this season and announcing the winner of this season as well. In this episode you will learn: What are some the hottest places on earth for entrepreneurs in 2014How the finalists used this competition to raise their own profiles and be more successfulThe five biggest things Mike & Dave learnt about business this yearSimple mistakes that cause so much 'unattractiveness'How different regions of the world are embracing social chage, technological advances, political shifts and the state of the world economy Plus - you will find 'WHO' from literally thousands of votes globally won this years season.

Dave Schimandle from www.slickstix.com fills in for Billy Gibbs.  Mike & Dave discuss the PGA Championship and it's ranking amongst the other three majors.  Mike & Dave also play Caddyshack trivia.  Jim Coles, PGA Professional calls in to discuss the latest golf tournaments he is promoting locally, nationally and internationally.  Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy is brought to you by Slickstix.com, Adams Golf, The Links at RiverLakes Ranch Golf Course , Microfiber Greens Towel, True Aim, McPhees Grill, Golf Tournament In A Box, Avila Beach Golf Resort and Paso Robles Golf Club. Visit Golftalkradio.com for the latest show information, contests, videos, iPhone and Android Apps and more! If you are interested in advertising with Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy email us at info@golftalkradio.com.

Dave Schimandle from www.slickstix.com fills in for Billy Gibbs.  During Mike's Course Mike & Dave discuss what Phil really won with his Scottish Open win and then winning the Open.  Marshall Thompson from Fujikura Golf joins Mike & Dave to discuss golf shafts the benefits, fitting and life on the tour as a Fujikura Golf Club representative.  Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy is brought to you by Slickstix.com, Adams Golf, The Links at RiverLakes Ranch Golf Course , Microfiber Greens Towel, True Aim, McPhees Grill, Golf Tournament In A Box, Avila Beach Golf Resort and Paso Robles Golf Club. Visit Golftalkradio.com for the latest show information, contests, videos, iPhone and Android Apps and more! If you are interested in advertising with Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy email us at info@golftalkradio.com.

During the 2nd hour Jim Delaby, PGA Director of Instruction at Monarch Dunes Golf Course calls into the show to answer questions from www.askagolfprofessional.com.  Jim also discusses the upcoming www.golflandwarehouse.com Masters Saturday Demo Day being held April 13th at Monarch Dunes.  Mike & Dave continue their 2013 Master preview conversation.  Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy is brought to you by Slickstix.com, Adams Golf, The Links at RiverLakes Ranch Golf Course , Microfiber Greens Towel, True Aim, McPhees Grill, The Kickwedge, Puttle.com, GroupGolfer.com and Golf Tournament In A Box, Paso Robles Golf Club. Visit Golftalkradio.com for the latest show information, contests, videos, iPhone and Android Apps and more! If you are interested in advertising with Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy email us at info@golftalkradio.com.

Dave Schimandle, Owner and Operator of Slickstix.com Co-hosts the show with Mike while Billy is away.  During Mike's Course, Mike & Dave share some golfisms.  Mike & Dave preview the upcoming 2013 Masters and give their picks and dark horse picks.  Dave shares a story about his first time visting Augusta.  Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy is brought to you by Slickstix.com, Adams Golf, The Links at RiverLakes Ranch Golf Course , Microfiber Greens Towel, True Aim, McPhees Grill, The Kickwedge, Puttle.com, GroupGolfer.com and Golf Tournament In A Box, Paso Robles Golf Club. Visit Golftalkradio.com for the latest show information, contests, videos, iPhone and Android Apps and more! If you are interested in advertising with Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy email us at info@golftalkradio.com.

Frazer Grundy, Author of Geddin The Hole - www.geddinthehole.com calls into the show to discuss his novel.  Have you every run into "characters" at your local golf course?  Well, Geddin The Hole probably has some of those same "characters" and it is a very enjoyable, relatable read!  Mike & Dave continue their conversation on proper club fitting discussing grips, bounce and much more!  Ron Staszak from GroupGolfer.com calls in with the latest and greatest GroupGolfer.com offers on green fees and golf training aids visit www.groupgolfer.com for more information and offers.Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy is brought to you by Slickstix.com, Adams Golf, The Links at RiverLakes Ranch Golf Course , Microfiber Greens Towel, True Aim, McPhees Grill, The Kickwedge, GroupGolfer.com and Golf Tournament In A Box, Paso Robles Golf Club. Visit Golftalkradio.com for the latest show information, contests, videos, iPhone and Android Apps and more! If you are interested in advertising with Golf Talk Radio with Mike & Billy email us at info@golftalkradio.com.