Podcasts about Not Dead Yet

In an Idiots first, the guys take on a three part episode, covering a very breviated history of wolves becoming dogs, then how different breeds came about, going into breeds that have gone extinct over the years or were rolled into other breeds, and then concluding with a discussion about bringing one breed, the French Bulldog, away from the brink of extinction. In what many are calling the greatest trilogy of all time, better than the Lort of Da Rings, Star Warz, Goodfadder, and Alans, the Idiots bring their journey to an end. In this, they discuss French Bulldogs, who were thiiiiiiissssss close to being extinct, and how some lady I'm too lazy to go back and listen or look up saved them. She's a hero, though. They talk again about selective breeding, and how even foxes have been bred to be closer to dogs, and slowly develop floppy ears in place of their pointy ears. Also, seriously, go look up rose eared Frenchies. Seriously, go. You're welcome.

I'm Not Dead Yet and Yes, I'm Still Drinking That on this episode of Madge Unmuted podcast. Madge discusses how she almost died last week, how the job market sucks, her favorite beers, and a phenomenal trip to NYC. Phew, that's a lot to unpack, but a lot of laughs!PLEASE SUBSCRIBE TO MY CHANNEL WHILE YOU'RE HERE!My Website: https://madgeunmuted.com/Audio podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/show/madge-u.Facebook: / madgeunmuted Instagram: / madgemadiganTikTok: / madgemadiganBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/madge-unmuted--4548342/support.

Travis Robinson was an active 35-year-old IT project manager, spending much of his leisure time in the outdoors rockclimbing, when he began noticing weakness in his hands, which is not good news for this pursuit. This led to a diagnosis of early-onset Parkinson's Disease that changed his life. Travis' response was not one of resignation to a restricted lifestyle, but more of a “Screw you, Parkinson's” attitude. That is evidenced in the theme of a podcast called I'm Not Dead Yet he co-hosts with Judy Yaros, whose husband died of the disease in 2020. Together, they talk about life adjustments caused by Parkinson's and how they are helping those afflicted and their families. But more so, it's about living their best life. To help others do the same, Travis is very involved with Parkinson's Community L.A. and the Faces of Parkinson's Project. One way he keeps physically active is with something called neuroboxing. He's also deeply engaged in photography, but using old-time cameras with the long, bellows-like lenses and where the photographer stands under a hood. The image is projected onto large-format film and Travis creates finished works on metal and other unique media that have had gallery showings across the country. His work in California's scenic landscapes evokes Ansel Adams' dramatic photography from last century. Travis has recently had to use his power of resilience once again as his and his partner's home burned down in the Eaton fire in January, and they lost everything, including all of his photographic equipment. They saved their pets and vehicles, and not much more. They expect to begin re-building in May, and undaunted, Travis is planning a photographic project in Iceland this summer. You can't help but be inspired by Travis' story!Travis RobinsonInstagram @mighty_travisListen to the I'm Not Dead Yet Podcast:https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-im-not-dead-yet-81736783/Instagram @imnotdeadyetpdBill Stahlsilly_billy@msn.comFacebook Bill StahlInstagram and Threads @stahlor and @we_are_superman_podcastYouTube We Are Superman PodcastSubscribe to the We Are Superman Newsletter!https://mailchi.mp/dab62cfc01f8/newsletter-signupSubscribe to our Substack for my archive of articles of coaching tips developed from my more than three decades of experience, wild and funny stories from my long coaching career, the wit and wisdom of David, and highlights of some of the best WASP episodes from the past that I feel are worthwhile giving another listen.Search either We Are Superman Podcast or @billstahl8

‘ENVY OF NONE' RELEASE NEW ALBUM AND NEW SINGLE ‘STYGIAN WAVES' ZOOM EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH LEGENDARY RUSH GUITARIST ALEX LIFESON  Envy Of None are the living, breathing definition of a supergroup. No other band on earth could rightly claim to have Alex Lifeson – one of rock's most influential visionaries – heading up guitar duties, with Andy Curran of Coney Hatch and Soho 69 overseeing bass/programming as well as producer extraordinaire Alfio Annibalini on keyboards. However, the star in this band could very well be its youngest member – American singer-songwriter Maiah Wynne – whose wonderfully emotive vocals are able to spin the music in new exciting directions that thrill to the core. Envy Of None are back with their much anticipated second album, Stygian Wavz,  released on Kscope  March 14th. To celebrate the announcement, Envy Of None have shared a new single – the album title track ‘Stygian Waves' – alongside a new music video. The 11-track album is available now in multiple formats including colored vinyl, black vinyl, CD, Blu-ray, digital and a deluxe-edition box set. PLEASE WELCOME LEGENDARY GUITARIST AND SONGWRITER/KNOWN FOR BEING A LONGTIME MEMBER OF RUSH AND CURRENTLY OF ENVY OF NONE… ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAMER …ALEX LIFESON TO INTERVIEWING THE LEGENDS. PURCHASE THE NEW ALBUM BY ENVY OF NONE ENTITLED STYGIAN WAVZ Available at https://envyofnone.lnk.to/waves   “STYGIAN WAVZ BY ENVY OF NONE ALREADY HAS MY VOTE FOR BEST ALBUM OF THE YEAR. A SOPHISTICATED AND CHARISMATIC BLEND OF CINEMATIC, AMBIENT, PSYCHEDELIC, ALTERNATIVE ROCK, AND POP. EVERY TRACK IS A GEM. LEAD SINGER MAIAH WYNNE'S VOCALS ARE SPELLBINDING AND SEDUCTIVE. HER ENCHANTING VOICE IS PERFECTLY COMPLEMENTED BY THREE SUPERSTAR MUSICIANS. THIS ALBUM IS AN ABSOLUTE TREASURE. I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT THIS ALBUM CAN LAUNCH A BRAND-NEW WORLDWIDE MOVEMENT IN MUSIC.” 5 STARS! -BY MUSIC JOURNALIST RAY SHASHO   STREAM THE NEW SINGLE AND VIDEO  ‘STYGIAN WAVES' ALSO PURCHASE THEIR EP THAT WAS THEN AND THEIR DEBUT SELF-TITLED  CRITICALLY ACCLAIMED RELEASE ENVY OF NONE   FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT ENVY OF NONE VISIT https://envyofnone.com/ Official website https://www.instagram.com/envyofnone Instagram https://twitter.com/envyofnone Twitter https://www.tiktok.com/@envyofnone Tiktok https://www.facebook.com/envyofnone Facebook www.kscopemusic.com/artists/envyofnone Kscope Music   ENVY OF NONE DISCOGRAPHY Albums Envy of None (2022) That Was Then (EP, 2023) Stygian Waves (2025)   Singles "Liar" (2022) "Look Inside" (2022) "Enemy" / "You'll Be Sorry" (2022) "Not Dead Yet" (2024) "Under the Stars" (2024) Support us on PayPal!

Weekly shoutout: coalitionworks issue 10 is now live! -- Hi there, Today I am delighted to be arts calling writer, actor, and producer Sandra Cruze! (sandracruze.com) About our guest: Sandra Cruze was steeled in the uprisings of the 60's and 70's, and underground art world of DTLA, where she sang in punk bands, reggae bands and performed in street theater. She believes the "PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD" and picked hers up. Having experienced the transformation of good story telling which has saved her on many occasion, her works traverse the mindfield that is America today. She writes about dangerous women and women in danger. Acting in Films, TV and Stage, Sandra also creates her own content. Her short film, "Physics of Killing", was selected for the Toronto International Women's Film Festival 2022, and an IMDB writers credit. Her play, "Little Sugar", was a quarter finalist with ScreenCraft in 2022 and 2023. "We're Not Dead Yet", a YouTube web series co-produced by Two Heads are Better Productions, has received multiple awards and selections for both the series and the scripts, winning semifinalist for pilot script. https://www.housetheater.net/ Further accomplishments for film and theater can be found on IMDB and https://linktr.ee/sandracruzeproductions ABBY NORMAL THE MUSICAL FUNDRAISER EVENT AT HYPERION ARTS, LOS ANGELES: CLICK HERE FOR TICKETS APRIL 25 AND 26! Thanks for this amazing conversation, Sandra! All the best! -- Arts Calling is produced by Jaime Alejandro. HOW TO SUPPORT ARTS CALLING: PLEASE CONSIDER LEAVING A REVIEW, OR SHARING THIS EPISODE WITH A FRIEND! YOUR SUPPORT TRULY MAKES A DIFFERENCE, AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN. Much love, j artscalling.com

This episode features my conversation with Nic Collins.  As the son of music legend Phil Collins, Nic has gone on to establish his own path as professional drummer and honour his father's legacy When he was still a teenager, Nic became the drummer for his father's Not Dead Yet solo tour and was later invited to take over the drumset chair for the final Genesis tour. Currently, Nic is touring with Mike & The Mechanics and is also involved in his own original projects. In our conversation, we talk about his experiences growing up as the son of a music industry icon, and how his father encouraged him to follow his passion. We also talk about his experiences and lessons learned on final Phil Collins and Genesis tours and establishing his own career.  Photo credit by @mediaproductions_ (Jenna & Tevin Stoch) Follow Nic: https://www.instagram.com/nic_collins/ Phil Collins Drumeo Documentary  

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Matt Vincent is a traveling strength athlete, two-time Highland Games World Champion, and founder of HVIII Brand Goods. Through his travels, Matt was lucky enough to spend time with exceptional people who were chasing strength, fulfillment, and personal growth in every imaginable way. Matt chronicles his travels and conversations with people in the strength game and beyond on his podcast UMSO. Reignite your marriage: www.thedadedge.com/extraordinary-marriage Today, Matt shares his journey from having a traditional career path to becoming a world champion in the Scottish games and an entrepreneur with his own business, "Not Dead Yet". Larry Hagner and Matt Vincent explore what it means to wake up with fire and purpose, how to break free from autopilot modes, and the importance of surrounding yourself with men who push for greatness rather than settling for mediocrity. www.themensforge.com www.thedadedge.com/alliance  

Still reeling from the prospect of being dissed by a man in bootcut jeans, it's Hannah and Jen on Bush Telegraph duties. They're looking at how Chelsea forward and Australia captain Sam Kerr found herself on the right side of the law and wondering why it was ever in question. Meanwhile, scrutiny of Kim Leadbeater's Assisted Dying Bill has revealed it's starting to look like it isn't what MPs signed up for. Also featuring: Terminator roads, exceptional mumming and unexceptional headline-writing, and a spot of tennis. You can watch Sophy Ridge's piece on changes to the Assisted Dying Bill here, and find out more about Not Dead Yet here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Matt Vincent joins Something For Everybody this week. Matt is an entrepreneur, mindset coach and owner of Not Dead Yet.  In this conversation, Matt explores the multifaceted challenges of entrepreneurship, the importance of discipline, and the impact of social media on youth. We discuss the commitment required to pursue passions, the realities of youth sports, and the transformative experiences that shape personal growth. Matt shares his journey through adversity, emphasizing the importance of mindset and the responsibility individuals have to shape their own lives. Our conversation touches on the power of partnership, the complexities of unconditional love, and the necessity of personal growth and change. - See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: https://everybodyspod.com/deals/ - Shop For Everybody  Use code SFE10 for 10% OFF

Diane Coleman, Founder of CEO of Not Dead Yet passed away last weekend. Today, Blaise pays tribute to her amazing work emphasizing disability freedom and autonomy. From now until Nov. 15 any donation to the Blaisin' Access Podcast will be split evenly with Not Dead Yet. If you are able to contribute please consider making a donation to help grow the show and help out such a terrific organization! https://www.blaisinshows.com/ https://notdeadyet.org/ Rate, review, subscribe, share, and support the show! Support Blaisin' Access Podcast by contributing to their tip jar: https://tips.pinecast.com/jar/blaisin-access-podcast Send us your feedback online: https://pinecast.com/feedback/blaisin-access-podcast/3dca8f8e-151b-435a-b444-982f1f6c6e30Read transcript

From 2018: Powerless cameras by Ian Woolf, Dr David Farmer and comedian Jackson Vaarhoor explain Why You're Not Dead Yet, Hosted and produced by Ian Woolf Support Diffusion by making a contribution Support Diffusion by buying Merchandise

Magician Buddy August came by to talk about returning to the world of magic and preview his "Not Dead Yet" show on Saturday night...

In this heartfelt discussion, Dr. Joshua, an industrial-organizational psychologist and performance artist, shares his journey from surviving Hodgkin's lymphoma to embracing his true self as a gay man raised in a Jehovah's Witness household. He discusses his memoir 'I'm Not Dead Yet,' his love for the art scene in Denver, and how performance art and positive psychology play a significant role in his life. Dr. Joshua also delves into the importance of community, resilience, and the interconnectedness of his artistic and professional pursuits.BioJoshua is an Industrial-Organizational Psychologist currently residing in Denver, Colorado. His career trajectory has centered on the themes of inspirational storytelling and applied science for the sake of human betterment, especially for those who have been historically marginalized and oppressed. Joshua has a deep passion for human flourishing, awe-inspiring experiences in nature, and anything involving cats.Links For Dr. Joshua CaraballoWebsite https://www.drjosh.solutions/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/dr_josh_solutions/ LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-josh/Book "I Am Not Dead Yet" Boulder Bookstore Maggers & Quinn Booksellers Little Gay BookstorePodmatchPodmatch Affiliate LinkHow do I get such great guests?PodMatch I use Podmatch to get the best guests on the show. Check out PodMatch if you want to guest on other podcasts or if you have a podcast and need guests for your show. Guests from PodmatchMake Sharing your podcast easierUse Podcast Beacon for the best NFS products to share your podcast while out and about or at conferences. Why does my website look so goodI use Podpage to make this website look so good. No I don't know how to code website, and I don't need to. If you have a podcast use my affiliate link and get your website to look as awesome as mine. https://www.createartpodcast.com/podpageReach Out To The PodcastTo reach out to me, email timothy@createartpodcast.com I would love to hear about your journey and what you are working on. If you would like to be on the show or have me discuss a topic that is giving you trouble write in and let's start that conversation.Email: timothy@createartpodcast.com YouTube Channel: Create Art Podcast YT ChannelIG:

I invited a very special language learning and language loving friend to co-host this episode with me and chat all about the joys of language learning. This is a very familiar voice in the language learning community, and it's such a pleasure to have Kerstin Cable of Fluent Language and The Fluent Show on Love, Joy, and Languages! We had an absolute blast talking about loving languages and finding joy in learning them. This chat is extra special for me because I don't think this show would exist without Kerstin and her Podcasting 101 course (https://www.kerstincable.com/podcasting101). Big thanks to Kerstin for putting so much goodness out into the world! In today's episode, Kersin and I talk about celebrating our language achievements, the value of self-work and appreciating your own personal journey, language exams and the excitement of the process, lots of German language, the link between language and culture, Kerstin teaches me a bit Welsh (you'll see why this language can easily become an obsession!), and Kerstin shares some of her favorite language things and people. Learning a language is a long road, and there are so many challenges along the way, but something that keeps us in the language learning world is all the joy we find in the process and the community. I hope you enjoy listening in to my chat with Kerstin, and I hope it reminds you of all the exciting things you find in your own language life. The Fluent Show episodes mentioned in this episode: Words of the Year 2023 (https://www.fluent.show/243) The Farewell Episode: The Joy of Finishing Good Things (https://www.fluent.show/240) I'm Not Dead Yet, So I'd Like to Keep Learning: Interview with German Learner Randy (https://www.fluent.show/8) Reviews of the Year with Shannon Kennedy: 2021 (https://www.fluent.show/234), 2020 (https://www.fluent.show/203), 2019 (https://www.fluent.show/166), 2018 (https://www.fluent.show/118) Marc Okrand on Creating the Klingon Language (https://www.fluent.show/172) Interview with Language Creator David Peterson (Game of Thrones, Dune, The 100, Doctor Strange) (https://www.fluent.show/158) Good bye Chemistry, hello Linguistics! with Sarah F. Philips (https://www.fluent.show/209) Other content mentioned in this episode: German Uncovered (Beginner) (https://learn.storylearning.com/german-uncovered-level-11674240494503) by Olly Richards Lindsay Williams of Lindsay Does Languages (https://www.lindsaydoeslanguages.com/) Episode 59: A Joyful Chat with a Special Guest Co-Host, Love, Joy, and Languages with Lindsay Williams (http://www.lovejoyandlanguagespodcast.com/episode-59) Shannon Kennedy at Eurolinguiste (https://eurolinguiste.com/) Emily Richardson of The Langauge Confidence Project and Tea with Emily (https://www.languageconfidenceproject.com/) Yabla Language Immersion (https://www.yabla.com/?a=1568&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwoJa2BhBPEiwA0l0ImDGlNae3Gj4g5NA4ZKbfPPdyHedENu_e2DlpUXLmNFuqM-BhhiYfwBoCVZ4QAvD_BwE) Language Habit System (https://www.fluentlanguage.co.uk/lhs), by Kerstin Cable AI Language Club (https://www.ailanguageclub.com/), with Kerstin Cable & Josh Goldsmith Kerstin can be found at: For language learning: Fluent Language Blog, Podcast & Language Tuition (https://www.fluentlanguage.co.uk/) For business: Kerstin Cable (https://www.kerstincable.com/) Kerstin's Podcast: The Fluent Show (https://www.fluent.show/) Instagram: @kerstin_fluent X (Twitter): @fluentlanguage Where to find me: Love, Joy, and Languages Blog (https://lovejoyandlanguages.com/) All podcast episodes can be found at http://www.lovejoyandlanguagespodcast.com/. Instagram: @love.joyandlanguages X (Twitter): @LoveJoy_Lang

Barbara Ballinger is an award-winning writer who has appeared in the Chicago Tribune, House Beautiful, the New York Times, and more. She's the author of two popular books, Suddenly Single After 50 and Not Dead Yet, and she's the co-founder of Life Lessons at 50 Plus. She's an expert on what it's like to be on your own again after 50, and all the challenges and possibilities that come with this new chapter in your life. Have you found yourself suddenly single after 50? Connect with Barbara for support, advice, and a way forward. Web: LifeLessonsAt50Plus.comFB: Life Lessons at 50 PlusX: @lifelessonsat50

In this special episode of the Rated G Podcast, we are thrilled to welcome Jim Mendrinos, the comedy legend and Gary's former teacher, as our guest. Jim taught Gary the ropes at Gotham Comedy Club in New York City and played a pivotal role in helping him find his funny. Join us as we dive into their history, Jim's influence on Gary's career, and their exciting new partnership. AC Jokes has partnered with Jim to offer the Atlantic City Comedy School, a fantastic opportunity for aspiring comedians to sharpen their skills and get booked in major comedy clubs around the country. Whether you're new to the scene or a seasoned comic, this 6-week workshop provides the tools you need to excel in the art of stand-up comedy. From writing to the business side of comedy, Jim's expert guidance will help you succeed. Interested in honing your public speaking abilities or taking a shot at stand-up? AC Jokes' supportive environment welcomes comedians of all experience levels. Network with other comedians and industry professionals, and perform live at AC Jokes at the end of the course. For more information, email info@acjokes.com.

Content warning: mentions of suicide, assisted suicide, and medical violence against people with disabilities. In this compelling episode of the You First podcast, hosts Maddie and Keith continue their in-depth interview with Anita Cameron, a prominent activist in the disability rights movement. They explore Anita's role at Not Dead Yet, focusing on their work against assisted suicide and their perspectives on medical discrimination and healthcare rationing affecting the disabled community. Anita shares personal stories, including a poignant account of their mother's struggle with assisted suicide pressures and her fight for proper healthcare. The discussion extends to the implications of assisted suicide laws in both the United States and Canada, highlighting the risks and biases involved. Anita ends by offering powerful advice for aspiring activists and emphasizes the importance of ongoing advocacy for disability rights. Lastly, we are up for a podcast award! Please vote for 'You First: The Disability Rights Florida Podcast' under the 'Society and Culture' category on the People's Choice website. Relevant Links Not Dead Yet: https://notdeadyet.org/ Diane Coleman's article ‘Assisted Suicide and Disability: Another Perspective': https://dredf.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Diane-Coleman-article-on-ABA-website.pdf Disability Rights Education & Defense Fund's Assisted Suicide Law Info: https://dredf.org/public-policy/assisted-suicide/ Canada's Medicaid Assistance in Dying (MAID): https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html Patients Rights Action Fund: https://patientsrightsaction.org/ Patient's Rights Council: https://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/

Lauren Ash (Superstore, Not Dead Yet) joins Tom and Julia for the first episode of Outgrown! Lauren discusses her childhood obsession with New Kids on the Block. On OUTGROWN, Julia Vickerman and Tom Scharpling talk to guests about something from popular culture that they used to profoundly identify with and once thought would define them forever and eventually outgrew. Hosted by Julia Vickerman and Tom Scharpling Title card animation by Julia Vickerman Theme music by Adam Deibert NEW EPISODES AVAILABLE ON THE BEST SHOW EVERY OTHER MONDAY! ACCESS THE FULL SERIES ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/TheBestShow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we are excited to cover Not Dead Yet season 1 which premiered on ABC but can also be streamed on Hulu. The best part of this episode is that we are joined by @differentspectrumspodcast Dr. Naz and Spencer! In this episode we analyze the depiction of Autism Spectrum Disorder and focus on Edward played by Rick Glassman, an actor with autism. Autism has notoriously had some pretty poor characterizations in the media so we are thrilled to see autism depicted this way additionally with a person who has lived experience. Edward is an environmental lawyer who lives with Nell, played by Gina Rodriguez, who guess what, sees the ghosts of obituaries she is writing. The characters are fabulous, the conversation with Dr. Naz and Spencer is even better! We can't wait for you to join us!InstagramTikTokWebsiteYoutubeDR. FUREY:Private Practice - Sound Psychiatry, LLCDr. Furey's InstagramPORTIA PENDLETON, LCSW:Private Practice - In Touch TherapyPortia's InstagramDisclaimer: This podcast and its content are for entertainment and educational purposes only. They do not constitute medical or psychiatric advice. Please call 911, 211 or go directly to the nearest emergency room for any psychiatric emergency. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Present-day actors rehearsing the roles of Richard III and Queen Margaret are interrupted by the arrival of the real Richard III and Philippa Langley, the British writer and ; producer who played a pivotal role in finding the bones of Richard in 2012. Now, Philippa and Richard are intent on rescuing his reputation.Gary Lamb directs Billy Mendieta, Kevin Carr, Joanne McGee, and Camille Ameen.Sandra Cruze is the playwright. Cruze's previous work includes plays (Grace; She Was Dick's Tracie),, a short film (The Physics of Killing), a web series (We're Not Dead Yet), and a musical (Moonshine Mamas).Founded by playwright and filmmaker Bernadette Armstrong, Open-Door Playhouse is a Theater Podcast- like the radio dramas of the 1940s and 1950s. The Playhouse launched on September 15, 2020. At the time, Open-Door Playhouse provided Playwrights, Actors and Directors a creative outlet during the shutdown. Since its inception. Open-Door Playhouse has presented Short and One-Act plays from Playwrights across the country and internationally. In 2021 Open-Door Playhouse received a Communicator Award for Content for the Play Custody and in 2023 the play What's Prison Like was nominated for a Webby Award in the Crime & Justice Category.Plays are produced by Bernadette Armstrong, Sound Engineer is David Peters, sound effects are provided by Audio Jungle, and music from Karaoke Version. All plays are recorded at The Oak House Studio in Altadena, CA. There's no paywall at the Open-Door Playhouse site, so you could listen to everything for free. Open-Door Playhouse is a 501c3 non-profit organization, and if you would like to support performances of works by new and emerging playwrights, your donation will be gratefully accepted. Your tax-deductible donations help keep our plays on the Podcast Stage. We strive to bring our listeners thoughtful and surprising one-act plays and ten-minute shorts that showcase insightful and new perspectives of the world we share with others. To listen or to donate (or both), go to  https://opendoorplayhouse.orgSupport the Show.Support the Show.

In June, global temperatures had surpassed 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels for 12 months straight, encroaching on the goal set in the Paris climate accord. We’ll explain why scientists use 1.5 degrees as a key benchmark and why it’s important to have hard conversations about climate change. Then, we’ll get into an investigation revealing how insurers profited from false diagnoses of Medicare patients. And, a billion-dollar donation to a medical school and new developments in textile recycling make us smile. Here’s everything we talked about today: “In a troubling milestone, Earth surpasses 1.5 degrees C of warming for 12 consecutive months” from LA Times “June 2024 marks 12th month of global temperature reaching 1.5°C above pre-industrial” from Copernicus “Burning Questions: What's the deal with 1.5 degrees?” from Marketplace “‘We're Not Dead Yet.' Baby Boomers' Good Times Drive the Economy.” from The Wall Street Journal “Insurers Pocketed $50 Billion From Medicare for Diseases No Doctor Treated” from The Wall Street Journal “How the Journal Analyzed Medicare Advantage Data” from The Wall Street Journal “Why scientists think they may finally have found a way to recycle clothes” from The Washington Post “Johns Hopkins to offer free medical school tuition from $1 billion Bloomberg Philanthropies grant” from The Baltimore Banner “$1 Billion Donation Will Provide Free Tuition at a Bronx Medical School” from The New York Times We love to hear from you. Send your questions and comments to makemesmart@marketplace.org or leave us a voicemail at 508-U-B-SMART.

In June, global temperatures had surpassed 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels for 12 months straight, encroaching on the goal set in the Paris climate accord. We’ll explain why scientists use 1.5 degrees as a key benchmark and why it’s important to have hard conversations about climate change. Then, we’ll get into an investigation revealing how insurers profited from false diagnoses of Medicare patients. And, a billion-dollar donation to a medical school and new developments in textile recycling make us smile. Here’s everything we talked about today: “In a troubling milestone, Earth surpasses 1.5 degrees C of warming for 12 consecutive months” from LA Times “June 2024 marks 12th month of global temperature reaching 1.5°C above pre-industrial” from Copernicus “Burning Questions: What's the deal with 1.5 degrees?” from Marketplace “‘We're Not Dead Yet.' Baby Boomers' Good Times Drive the Economy.” from The Wall Street Journal “Insurers Pocketed $50 Billion From Medicare for Diseases No Doctor Treated” from The Wall Street Journal “How the Journal Analyzed Medicare Advantage Data” from The Wall Street Journal “Why scientists think they may finally have found a way to recycle clothes” from The Washington Post “Johns Hopkins to offer free medical school tuition from $1 billion Bloomberg Philanthropies grant” from The Baltimore Banner “$1 Billion Donation Will Provide Free Tuition at a Bronx Medical School” from The New York Times We love to hear from you. Send your questions and comments to makemesmart@marketplace.org or leave us a voicemail at 508-U-B-SMART.

In June, global temperatures had surpassed 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels for 12 months straight, encroaching on the goal set in the Paris climate accord. We’ll explain why scientists use 1.5 degrees as a key benchmark and why it’s important to have hard conversations about climate change. Then, we’ll get into an investigation revealing how insurers profited from false diagnoses of Medicare patients. And, a billion-dollar donation to a medical school and new developments in textile recycling make us smile. Here’s everything we talked about today: “In a troubling milestone, Earth surpasses 1.5 degrees C of warming for 12 consecutive months” from LA Times “June 2024 marks 12th month of global temperature reaching 1.5°C above pre-industrial” from Copernicus “Burning Questions: What's the deal with 1.5 degrees?” from Marketplace “‘We're Not Dead Yet.' Baby Boomers' Good Times Drive the Economy.” from The Wall Street Journal “Insurers Pocketed $50 Billion From Medicare for Diseases No Doctor Treated” from The Wall Street Journal “How the Journal Analyzed Medicare Advantage Data” from The Wall Street Journal “Why scientists think they may finally have found a way to recycle clothes” from The Washington Post “Johns Hopkins to offer free medical school tuition from $1 billion Bloomberg Philanthropies grant” from The Baltimore Banner “$1 Billion Donation Will Provide Free Tuition at a Bronx Medical School” from The New York Times We love to hear from you. Send your questions and comments to makemesmart@marketplace.org or leave us a voicemail at 508-U-B-SMART.

Group Chat News is back and we have some of the hottest stories of the week including holiday banter, Baby Boomers' good times drive the economy, your socks make you look old, the presidential race, a new conspiracy theory, a study on what Americans talk about with their friends and families, the new Kendrick Lamar music video and more! Timeline of What Was Discussed: So tired. (0:00)  Respecting the arrogance of American pop culture. (2:06)  Is the Bitcoin play over? (16:13)  The Democratic Party is in a pickle. (22:03)  “We're not dead yet.” (34:12)  Do your socks make you look old? (44:33)  What Americans talk about with family and friends. (47:46)  Kendrick vs Drake. (54:08)  Group Chat ‘Kathy' Shout Outs. (1:01:22)  Why do American athletes suck so bad? (1:04:58)  Related Links/Products Mentioned  @justinbieber returns to the stage for the pre-wedding festivities for the Ambani-Merchant family in India  ‘We're Not Dead Yet.' Baby Boomers' Good Times Drive the Economy.  Do Your Socks Make You Look Old? Gen Z Thinks So.  What Americans talk about with family and friends  Kendrick Lamar "Not Like Us" Video: Watch - Billboard  Connect with Group Chat! Watch The Pod #1 Newsletter In The World For The Gram Tweet With Us Exclusive Facebook Content Join the Discord We're @groupchatpod on Snapchat

Enjoy this special free episode of our Patreon-exclusive podcast, OUTGROWN! Sign up for Patreon https://www.patreon.com/TheBestShow On OUTGROWN, Julia Vickerman and Tom Scharpling talk to guests about something from popular culture that they used to profoundly identify with and once thought would define them forever and eventually outgrew. Episode 1 - Lauren Ash (Superstore, Not Dead Yet) joins Tom and Julia to discuss her childhood obsession with New Kids on the Block. Sign up for Patreon https://www.patreon.com/TheBestShow Hosted by Julia Vickerman and Tom Scharpling Title card animation by Julia Vickerman Theme music by Adam Deibert Sign up for Patreon https://www.patreon.com/TheBestShow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the after show, folks! Andrew sat down with the writer of last week's pilot Codependent, Mark Gross. Mark spoke to us about all things sitcom writing. We talked about how he got his start in comedy and his early days as a touring stand up comedian. How fellow comic Rodney Carrington helped him break into tv writing and what he learned working with the great Chuck Lorre. He also told us about the key word he has on a post-it by his computer when he's writing. No spoilers though! Mark offers some great perspective in this one! Enjoy it!WE HAVE A LIVE SHOW ON 6/30 / 2 PM at The Elysian Theater in Los Angeles. Our June 30 show features scripts by Dario Konjicija & Damir Konjicija (Home Economics; Young Sheldon) and Jordan Roter (American Housewife). We have a great cast for this one including: Beth Dover (Orange Is the New Black), Jonathan Tucker (Warrior; Westworld), Josh Banday (Upload; Not Dead Yet), Vinny Thomas (Platonic; Ahsoka), Leah Lewis (Matlock; Elemental), Punam Patel (Special; Ghosts), Nancy Lenehan (The Boys; People of Earth), Olivia Sui (Smosh; Do Revenge), Zainab Johnson (Upload; Last Comic Standing), Nabeel Muscatwalla (Good Trouble; Better Days), Paige Collins (Distance; Good Girls), Emma Shannon (Better Things; Puppy Dog Pals) and Antonio Corbo (Summer Camp Island; Minions). GET YOUR TICKETS HERE: https://www.elysiantheater.com/shows/deadpilots

Chelsea Devantez is an Emmy-nominated writer, comedian, director, and host of the podcast Glamorous Trash. She was Jon Stewart's Head Writer for Apple TV+'s The Problem with Jon Stewart and has also written for Not Dead Yet, Girls5Eva, and Bless this Mess, among others. Chelsea's memoir “I Shouldn't Be Telling You This (But I'm Going to Anyway) is out now and today she returns to PRETTYSMART to talk all about it! She shares:  Why courage for her to tell her story publicly was the last resort (but why she's so glad she decided to do so!) Why it's important to share real and relatable stories of domestic violence, and why there is so much red tape around survivors being able to tell their truth.  How her relationship with her mom was impacted by writing her own memoir.  What she learned not to do from all the other memories she's talked about on her podcast. What it was like finding out she was conceived via a sperm donor when she was 14 years old.  Why it's so important to tell young girls they are special and what that did for her as a kid.  The duality of resilience and why she's learning to tell people when she's not alright. Why the best people to help you in your career and life are right beside you. Her best tips for getting ahead in your career.  What makes the best kind of wedding and her relationship with her husband.  Links: Follow Chelsea here Grab a copy of her book here

Jurassic Park, Spider-man, Mission: Impossible, Carlito's Way, Indiana Jones, Bad Influence, Kimi, Snake Eyes, Panic Room, Presence, Black Bag, and even more. We're lucky to have David Koepp on today's episode. Want to participate in a writing workshop this summer with Ben Blacker and some terrific writers? Go from idea to first draft or get a rewrite into fighting shape? Email NerdistWriters@gmail.comCome see Dead Pilots Society on Sunday, June 30, 2-4pm PT at the Elysian Theater in LA! In Dead Pilots Society scripts that were developed by studios and networks but were never produced are given the table reads they deserve.The June 30 show at the Elysian Theater features scripts by Dario Konjicija & Damir Konjicija (Home Economics; Young Sheldon) and Jordan Roter (American Housewife).The cast includes: Beth Dover (Orange Is the New Black), Jonathan Tucker (Kingdom; Westworld), Josh Banday (Upload; Not Dead Yet), Vinny Thomas (Platonic; Ahsoka), Leah Lewis (Matlock; Elemental), Punam Patel (Special; Ghosts) and more to be announced!Get live or video-on-demand tickets here.THE WRITERS PANEL IS A COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT PRODUCTION.Follow and support the show by subscribing to Ben Blacker's newsletter, Re:Writing, where you'll also get weekly advice from the thousands of writers he's interviewed over the years, as well as access to exclusive live Q&As, meet-ups, and more: benblacker.substack.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We have a great pilot for you this month! It's written by the hilarious and well respected, Mark Gross (How We Roll, Mike & Molly). His pilot is called Codependent and it centers around a relationship between Nate, an aimless substitute teacher and Ed, the grandfather who raised him and how that relationship is challenged when Nate meets a women who could be the one. This pilot was written and sold to CBS twice before we were able to get our hands on it. Codependent stars Billy Gardell (Bob Hearts Abishola, Mike & Molly), Louis Mustillo (Mike & Molly), Katie Lowes (Scandal) Cecily Knobler, Sarah Stouffer (Switched At Birth), Nyambi Nyambi (The Good Fight, Night Court, Mike & Molly), Aaron Branch (Unstable), Tre Hale (Platonic), Marcus Bishop Wright, Katrina Davis, Noah Findling and Andrew Reich with stage directions. Enjoy!WE HAVE A LIVE SHOW ON 6/30 / 2 PM at The Elysian Theater in Los Angeles. Our June 30 show features scripts by Dario Konjicija & Damir Konjicija (Home Economics; Young Sheldon) and Jordan Roter (American Housewife). We have a great cast for this one including: Beth Dover (Orange Is the New Black), Jonathan Tucker (Warrior; Westworld), Josh Banday (Upload; Not Dead Yet), Vinny Thomas (Platonic; Ahsoka), Leah Lewis (Matlock; Elemental), Punam Patel (Special; Ghosts), Nancy Lenehan (The Boys; People of Earth), Olivia Sui (Smosh; Do Revenge), Zainab Johnson (Upload; Last Comic Standing), Nabeel Muscatwalla (Good Trouble; Better Days), Paige Collins (Distance; Good Girls), Emma Shannon (Better Things; Puppy Dog Pals) and Antonio Corbo (Summer Camp Island; Minions). GET YOUR TICKETS HERE: https://www.elysiantheater.com/shows/deadpilots  

Health anxiety is a common yet often misunderstood condition that can significantly impact one's quality of life. Whether it's worrying excessively about potential illnesses or constantly seeking reassurance about your health, the effects can be overwhelming. Understanding the nature of health anxiety and learning effective strategies to manage it can make a world of difference. In this article, we explore five essential things you need to know about health anxiety and offer practical tips for recovery, with expert insights from Michael Steer. 1. UNDERSTANDING HEALTH ANXIETY: WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT ISN'T Health anxiety is a term often misunderstood by many. It's not just about being overly concerned with your health or frequently looking up symptoms on Google. Health anxiety can be categorized into two main disorders: Illness Anxiety Disorder and Somatic Symptom Disorder. Illness Anxiety Disorder involves a preoccupation with health despite not having significant physical symptoms. On the other hand, Somatic Symptom Disorder includes severe and persistent physical symptoms that cause substantial distress. It's essential to understand these distinctions to recognize that health anxiety isn't simply a matter of being overly cautious or paranoid about one's health. Moreover, health anxiety can often intertwine with Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD), involving obsessive thoughts and compulsive behaviors centered around health concerns.  2. NAVIGATING THE MEDICAL SYSTEM WITH HEALTH ANXIETY Dealing with health anxiety within the medical system can be particularly challenging. One of the critical aspects to remember is the importance of finding a healthcare provider who listens and validates your concerns. If you feel dismissed or unheard, it is perfectly acceptable to seek a second opinion or switch providers. Additionally, distinguishing between different types of symptoms can help manage health anxiety more effectively. Medical symptoms require immediate attention, such as severe chest pain or sudden numbness. Physical symptoms, like a sore back from yard work, are often benign and manageable with self-care. Psychological symptoms stem from anxiety and can include manifestations like tightness in the chest or dizziness. Understanding these differences can help reduce unnecessary panic and improve communication with healthcare providers. 3. TRUSTING THE RELIABILITY OF YOUR THOUGHTS A common challenge with health anxiety is differentiating between real medical issues and anxiety-driven thoughts. Think of your anxious thoughts as spam emails—they're real, but their content isn't always reliable. Health anxiety often triggers false alarms that feel urgent and terrifying. Learning to question these thoughts and not take them at face value is crucial. Techniques like cognitive diffusion can help change your relationship with these thoughts. For instance, if you've convinced yourself numerous times that you're having a stroke and it hasn't happened, the likelihood that your current fear is another false alarm is high. Questioning the reliability of these thoughts can help manage the overwhelming fear they generate. 4. THE ROLE OF COMPULSIONS AND SAFETY BEHAVIORS Health Anxiety Compulsions and safety behaviors, such as constantly checking symptoms or seeking reassurance, often exacerbate health anxiety. One significant trap is becoming inwardly focused, constantly monitoring your body for signs of illness. This behavior leads to a vicious cycle where anxiety increases symptoms, which in turn heightens anxiety. Shifting your focus outward and engaging in meaningful activities can help break this cycle. It's essential to become more outwardly focused, enjoying life and participating in activities that bring you joy and fulfillment. This shift can reduce the power of health anxiety over your life. 5. EMBRACING LIFE DESPITE HEALTH ANXIETY Health anxiety often steals the very things we're afraid to lose—time, relationships, and enjoyment of life. The constant preoccupation with health can make us miss out on living fully. Therefore, the goal isn't just to reduce anxiety but to reclaim your life. Engage in activities you love and focus on adding value to your life. This shift in focus is incredibly powerful and can help you live a more fulfilling life despite health anxiety. It's not just about feeling less anxious; it's about living more fully and enjoying the moments that matter most. CONCLUSION Health anxiety can be overwhelming, but with the right strategies, it's possible to regain control and live a fulfilling life. Michael Steer's book, "The Complete Guide to Overcoming Health Anxiety," is a fantastic resource for those seeking further support and information. Additionally, his website, overcominghealthanxiety.com, offers a wealth of resources, including a free virtual support group. Remember, while health anxiety can take a toll on your life, effective strategies and a focus on meaningful activities can help you reclaim your joy and well-being. TRANSCRIPT: Kimberley: [00:00:00] Welcome back, everybody. Today I have Michael Steer here talking about the five things you need to know about health anxiety and how to recover from it. So welcome, Michael. Michael: Thanks for me. I'm really excited to be here and talk a little bit about health Kimberley: Yes. It's actually a very, very requested topic. It there's always questions about it. So I think this is really, really wonderful that we're doing it. Okay. So first of all, what is health anxiety? Let's just do a little bit of a, you know, intro, uh, tell me what it is and then tell me what it isn't. Cause that's point number one. Michael: Absolutely. Yeah. So we'll jump into point number one, which is I kind of was breaking down if I could have people know five things about health anxiety, what would I want them to know? Or people that support people with health anxiety. And number one point that you're going to bring it up is the first thing that I would want [00:01:00] people to know is exactly what health anxiety is. I feel like health anxiety is one of those things where, you know, you see somebody on their phone looking up symptoms and everybody kind of knows, right? They're like, Oh, I've been there before, right? We all kind of know what health anxiety is, but sometimes we don't know exactly like what it looks like or even more so that there's actually treatment that people can get that actually works. Not medical treatment, but maybe psychological treatment. So, um, I break down health anxiety in a couple of different ways, which is one is that. if you actually have a medical condition, so if you were diagnosed with cancer or, you know, whatever that might be. Um, there can still be anxiety around those types of things, but that's not exactly what we would be calling health anxiety. Uh, you know, kind of in a professional community, that would be an adjustment, Kimberley: Yeah. Michael: a massive adjustment, right? It's like you get this scary diagnosis, you're trying to go undergo treatment, those types of things. So that's kind of one category. And then, We also have this other category, maybe [00:02:00] what we would love them to call health anxiety, which actually is kind of awkward, too, because there's really no such thing as health anxiety, like, oops. Um, but there are some categories under health anxiety that we would say, these are actually what we're talking about. One of them is what we call illness anxiety disorder. Um, the other one is what we call somatic symptom disorder. And, uh, these are kind of the two things that we would call health anxiety. Now, Illness Anxiety Disorder is really a very basic way to break that down, is a preoccupation with your health, but you don't have a lot of symptoms that go along with it. I mean, you might have some here or there, and it's like, Oh, one day, like maybe my vision is a little bit more blurry, or I got a kind of weird pain over here. But the, usually the symptoms kind of come and go pretty, pretty quickly. Um, now, Somatic Symptom Disorder is still the preoccupation with your health. But the one big difference that people run into is usually the symptoms are pretty severe. They're [00:03:00] pretty significant, and they're usually a little bit long lasting. So, you know, maybe people are dealing with, you know, chronic stomach pain or pains in their stomach that they really become preoccupied about, but those symptoms are pretty significant where it's like impacting life, those types of things. Um, and then the other category that we can just throw in there real quick is also OCD. Um, and what we'll talk about here and, uh, maybe towards the end of this part is a lot of times I put health anxiety and OCD kind of as hand in hand. Uh, they're not the same thing, but they share so many of the similarities and how they work. And, um, if you ever look through some of the OCD literature. OCD can have health themes and so those would be times where we can be very, become very, you know, have the obsession and compulsion cycle go around health. So that's, that's really what health anxiety is, is usually one of those three things, which is either you don't really have many symptoms and you really worry [00:04:00] about it. You're actually having a lot of symptoms. you're worrying about it, or it may be a bigger dynamic of OCD, where maybe you have other obsessions and compulsions, and then maybe one of them is also just the obsessions and compulsions around your health. Kimberley: Amazing. Michael: yeah. Kimberley: What about hypochondria? Do we, where would you put that? Michael: So that's an older term. Kimberley: Yeah. Michael: So we've kind of, you know, and a lot of times, um, I feel like I'm kind of glad that that term has kind of shifted as just kind of like, you know, illness, anxiety, and somatic symptom. Um, just because there's a lot of judgment and a lot of negativity also around kind of, you know, as soon as somebody is like hypochondria, right? And it's kind of like, it comes with this like really negative experience and like, Oh, you know, they're, they just worry about their health all the Kimberley: Right. Michael: it kind of gets dismissed pretty quickly. So, um, that's just, if you ever see hypochondria, um, it's just an older term or sometimes it's still used in the medical community. [00:05:00] I think it's, even when you look up in some of the, um, Um, things to, uh, you know, for some of the coding, it still comes up as hypochondriasis. Um, however, it's just, it's the same, it's a different terminology just for what we would now call illness, anxiety disorder and somatic symptom disorder. Kimberley Quinlan, Thank you for sharing that too. Cause I think Googling, because that term has been used for decades, that is often what people are looking for. And I think, as you said, people get dismissed like, Oh, you're being such a hypochondriac about it. You know, that. I think is, I'm glad that you, you shared that. Okay. So that was number one. Number two, um, what is the second thing we need to know about health anxiety? Michael: So number two is kind of going right off of what you're saying is a lot of times, you know, what I would really want people to know is to, a lot of times people do get this mess. and even clients that I'm working with, because I work with a lot of health anxiety clients are still trying to navigate [00:06:00] that relationship between, they probably really do have some anxiety around their health, but they're also trying to work with the medical community. and that makes it quite challenging, um, because you know, there can, um, there can be some times where it can be challenging. People can get written kind of off of like, well, this person, you know, they've, they've been anxious about their health before, and then they've sort of become. Um, what could be an obsessive worry but also could be a very realistic worry of I go back into my doctor and they kind of know that I deal with anxiety around my health, they going to take me seriously? Michael: know, if I come in and I say, wow, I've been really having a pain here or here, are they really going to be listening to me? Like really take me seriously and investigating this or are they just kind of writing it off You know, this is, you know, awful, you know, this person has been anxious about a lot of those different things. So the one thing I, I think that we, um, that I think, I think is really important for people to know [00:07:00] is you're working with a medical provider and you don't feel like they're listening to you, they're not validating some of your concerns, they're, they're, you don't feel like they're really invested in some of these things. Um, it's always okay to go find somebody Kimberley: Mm hmm. Michael: That is totally okay to do. You can take it from me. Hell, like, you know, what I would, I don't know if there's no delineation of a health anxiety specialist, but I think there can be some of those times where things are not taken serious. So Kimberley: Yep. Michael: do feel like that is a relationship that you're having with a health provider, find somebody new. Go find somebody that really does listen to you, right? Now if you're also working with somebody that you feel like you really trust, you feel like They feel like they got your back, like they're, they're, you know, but maybe you're kind of running to the end of the road of like, I, don't know really what else we could test for. That's something different, right? Because at least there's that level of trust. So the second thing that we like when it goes into this piece of, you know, like Val or validating people's [00:08:00] symptoms is we also have to realize that there is a difference between physical symptoms, medical symptoms and then also psychological symptoms. And so here's how I break these things down. Medical symptoms is usually the ones we're really afraid of. medical symptom could be like if I have chest pain. And a medical symptom would be I need to go to the hospital because I'm having a heart attack. That is an explanation, a medical explanation of a symptom that I'm Kimberley: Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Michael: ER, those types of things. one category or one bucket that sometimes we put those in. A second bucket is what we call physical symptoms. And a physical symptom is something that's actually really happening in our body, probably don't need to run to the ER or the urgent care because of that. So like, for instance, if I went and did a bunch of yard work over the weekend, and my back really hurts, um, arguably because I'm getting [00:09:00] older or because I've done a lot of yard work, who knows? Um, Um, I don't, that's a real physical symptom that a lot of times our mind could try to catastrophize, but it's probably not something that I need to go and run to the doctor about. I probably need to take it easy, put a little bit of ice on my back, et cetera, et cetera. So we have medical symptoms, we have physical symptoms, but then also we have psychological symptoms and this is the way that our mental health can also affect our physical body. So for instance, if we're becoming anxious, I'm sure that, you know, if anybody has ever been anxious before, which I'm going to assume everyone has, If we become anxious, sometimes our chest gets tight. That's a real physical symptom. That's a real symptom that we have. But the origins of the conclusions of that is from a psychological standpoint. Now, here's why I think these buckets are important, why I want people to know about them. Surprise, surprise, health anxiety always usually goes to one bucket. Medical symptoms, right? It's like, Lower back pain, medical. You know, my chest is tight, medical. This weird kind of [00:10:00] feeling in the back of my head, medical. You know, all of those different types of things. And one of the things is being able to have this context of if I could start to separate some of these symptoms out to maybe there are some symptoms that I could have that are medical, but maybe there's also physical symptoms that are just happening. There's a great article that I always like to give all my clients The Noisy Body by, uh, Abramowitz, that's just a wonderful handout, a wonderful article. And it just speaks to the nature of like, well, we get signs and symptoms and weird feelings and burps and farts and all these things all the time. The hard thing is, is when our mind gets really preoccupied and starts to put them into the category of, oh no, what if, could this be this really negative thing? So I'd like to, that's the second point that I would really want people to know is. We have to realize that even though there is always this scary explanation of symptoms, it's important to have this perspective of noticing that there could be, there could [00:11:00] be medical symptoms that I need to really do something about, physical symptoms that I need to do to some TLC, and then also psychological symptoms. And then one last thing I just throw in there real quick before we can go on to the third one is, um, the most important part about this is regardless of what bucket you put this in, all of them are valid and real symptoms. that's the other piece that we get into this kind of like stigma or negativity, that sometimes people will talk about a real symptom that they're having, and then they'll be like, Oh, well, that's just your anxiety as almost as if the symptom is not happening. And so I think what I would really want people to know with health anxiety is regardless of what bucket it's coming from, it's always real. You're always valid and feeling it. The one question that we have to just ask, which is going to lead us into number three at some point is. Or can we trust that the explanation for the symptom that our brain has brought us really the explanation of what's happening? Kimberley: Mm. [00:12:00] So, I have a question, which you might answer it in, you can even use this for the, for an example. So, a lot of my followers know that I, in, um, in 2018 was diagnosed with Postural Orthostatic Tachycardic Syndrome. Michael: Mm. Mm Kimberley: one of the main symptoms of that is that you faint and a lot of, I'm very well in recovery of this right now, but one of the things was me without using this terminology, which you've beautifully put out. And I actually learned this terminology from you is it was about passing out, passing, like not, not, not passing out, like, uh, differentiating, sorry, my accent got it, differentiating. Um, is this dizziness from my anxiety? Is this dizziness evidence that I'm going to pass out, like faint? Um, Michael: hmm. Kimberley: because a lot of [00:13:00] having this condition is tolerating dizziness 24 seven of the day. Like it's a symptom of the condition. Um, so in that case, just as that as an example, how would you, which bucket would you put this in? Michael: For sure. Good. Great question. And this is where, like, health anxiety, I think that's why it's really important to, to really notice the stickiness of Kimberley: Mm. Michael: Because, you know, as an, also as an OCD specialist, a lot of times when we deal with OCD themes, not often having people, like, deal with, uh, you know, harm obsession. And also undergoing evaluations to see if they're a Kimberley: Yes. Yes. Michael: Uh, that doesn't really make sense. health anxiety starts to become this kind of interesting dynamic of, well, what happens if we have anxiety around medical Kimberley: Yeah. Michael: And also we have to like, go get evaluations and other things that are actually Kimberley: Yep.[00:14:00] Michael: that's a great point. And it's like, okay, so what if the, um, Um, you know, the symptoms that I'm feeling could be an explanation of a medical condition that's happening, or it also could be, you know, from the place of, um, you know, from my anxiety. Um, think the answer comes down to, um, is going to this, what I usually like try to call a pretty, a best guess. Which is, now, when we're thinking about passing out, the one thing I think is always important. as a person that works on a lot of needle phobias and blood phobias is that if you feel like you're going to pass out, get yourself in a safe place, right? Like sit down, make sure you don't hit your head. You know, Kimberley: Yep. Yep. Yep. Michael: But also there's this kind of conclusion that we can come through with our experience that says, know, um, if I, if I think about the symptoms that I'm having right now, where would I put my best guess on those, right? And if we're putting this, that medical side, then we could say, okay, well, [00:15:00] Um, I need to do whatever the doctor has recommended that I do in those situations because that's just what's most helpful. If I'm feeling like it's more on the anxiety side, that's maybe where I could use some of my tools that we learned in therapy to be able to manage that. Now is it a perfect system? No it's not, right? Because there's always this little piece of uncertainty and the unknown there Kimberley: hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Michael: that's, I think that's what's also really important about being able to kind of discuss those things either with your doctor or a therapist to be able to really walk those muddy lines. Um, I have quite a few clients that we try to walk that line all the time where, I've had clients where thought that maybe this was or maybe it was assessed as like, Oh, this is just something anxiety related. That's why you're having symptoms. And then it's like, months later, surprise, I'm allergic to this, right? And so, that's why we don't always know the answers to all of [00:16:00] those things. Um, but as we kind of go, we can kind of walk that line to say, could I make my best guess about what this is at this current period of time? And if that was the case, what would I do in that Kimberley: Yeah. Michael: You know, and so do I need to go a medical route? Do I need to go to a psychological Kimberley: Yeah. Which I think takes us to next step number three so beautifully. So go ahead and share what is the third thing we need to know. Michael: Absolutely. So number three talks about. Um, a lot of times our brain can bring us to a lot of different conclusions and we just talked about the conclusions that a lot of times our brain Kimberley: Yeah. Michael: into in terms of medical, physical, psychological. And a lot of times we just take those conclusions as the truth. go with them because they're terrifying, they're scary, right? And they feel really threatening. And so one of the things that I think is important for people to recognize is I like to use the example of a spam email. is I'm sure we've all gotten spam emails. And if you haven't gotten a spam email, please let me know your trick because that would be I could clear out like [00:17:00] 75 percent of my email box. So but a spam email to me is kind of walking this line between is a spam email real? Oh, of course, we all get them in our email box, right? Like they actually come through to us. They have a time stamp, et cetera, et cetera, right? But the one question that we have to start to kind of wrestle with with health anxiety is. is the conclusion or email that I'm getting a reliable source of information. so if you get an email from tomjones1973 at AOL. com that claims to be from the FBI, why would the FBI be sending you from AOL? That doesn't make Kimberley: No. Michael: Now, is that email real? You betcha. However, if we can question its reliability to say, can, you know, do I trust this email to be what I think it is? Kimberley: Mm hmm. Michael: Then that can really start to dictate some of the actions that we take. So when we think about health anxiety, right, is your brain can give you a lot of really scary a lot of really unknown possibilities that could be going on with you. And [00:18:00] so, you know, one of the things that I think we have to really kind of start to become curious about is, do I just go with them? You know, am I there just responding to all of my spam emails in my email box? And if you do, we probably need to help like. Credit monitoring and all those Kimberley: Yeah. Michael: besides, from that point, do we get ourselves into a lot of actions that could be very unhelpful when we take these emails as as reliable? So, like, for instance, if you, you know, you have the dizziness, right? And you're, you're, you know, the initial evaluation or conclusion that your brain comes up with, aka what we could also call an obsession, right? Is like this could be an aneurysm, right? Or maybe you have a stroke or all these different types of really scary things. If we take that as a reliable piece of information, it starts to make Kimberley: Mm hmm. Michael: that we would be like, well, I need to figure that out. I need to be like, look up some symptoms of online or I need to go to the urgent care, whatever those things are, right? but if we get a, oh, by the way, I should have included this earlier, but [00:19:00] that's okay. We'll include it Michael: This is all on the premise that we have a relatively good answer. if you don't. If you're getting dizzy for no reason, and you have no idea why, I don't want you practicing anxiety Kimberley: Yes. Michael: Go to the doctor, right? Like, explore those things, figure those things out, try to get a pretty good answer. However, if we get a pretty good answer about something, and we are going to say it's like, I think this is because of my anxiety, but my brain wants to really convince me of all these other conclusions. can we use some of those tools in terms of, you know, Becoming curious about, can I really trust my brain sending me right Kimberley: Mm hmm. Mm Michael:  if this is like the 937th time that I'm convinced that I've had a stroke, what's the chances the 938th time is going to be it? Probably not. so, I could go look on things online, or probably got a lot of other things to do, too, that I could go and get involved with as well. So, that's it. One of those tools is, is really being [00:20:00] curious about, yeah, your brain's going to give you a lot of really scary medical possibilities. If we can ask that question of not if it's real or not, because those things are totally real, but can I trust the message that I'm being sent? It can start that process. Now, the other tool that I really like to use with people is diffusion. Um, and, and to kind of give it a quick breakdown of cognitive fusion, even though some people may be like some of the listeners may know, is just being able to like what kind of relationship that we have with some of our scary thoughts. so sometimes I kind of describe as like, well, it's not really necessarily getting away from them. It's just about changing our perspective towards them. So like, I kind of think about this example. It's like if you go out into like a really busy highway, you set up a lawn chair right in the middle of a busy highway and you have cars whizzing by you, you can see the traffic, but man, oh man, is it overwhelming. And so if we can use some diffusion skills and those would all be the great things, like, you know. Uh, just repeating or thanking our mind or my favorite is always just [00:21:00] singing, like, you know, the tune to happy birthday, Kimberley: Yep, Michael:  be right is sometimes those start to kind of be able to take us from this position of, could you just take your chair and put it on the side of the highway? And if we can do that, we can still see the traffic that's out in front of us, but it's much less overwhelming at that point because you don't have cars whizzing by Kimberley: all right Michael:  these cognitive interventions, I think, can be really helpful. Um, because a lot of times our brain is leading us to all of these conclusions, giving us these really scary ideas, and it might really start to go against the information that we have at that time, at least medically. Kimberley: Amazing. And I, the reason I love this is that was a big piece of it for me, just to sort of give a real example of me having health anxiety and a chronic illness when you are you're dizzy. My brain was like, this is it. You're going down, you're going down. And I had to get used to just having the thought like, yeah, you're dizzy. It could be it. But we know the symptoms of when you are, and you're just, you know, again, like you [00:22:00] often say, like, it's about being uncertain and being able to just to have the thoughts whenever they show up. So would you add anything to that or, Michael:  Know it. And I think what's important with that is, there's a piece of uncertainty Kimberley: um, Michael:  but we can also act within a reasonable Kimberley: yes, Michael:  right? It is like, you know, we can, we can always make those, you know, I always love delay in these situations Kimberley: um, Michael:  is if I start to become dizzy and I'm concerned that like this is going to be, this is me passing out, right? And if you just like, if you're dizzy and you remain dizzy and you remain dizzy, you know, those types of things and it, you know, you're just kind of like working through it and it's like, okay, maybe that's one thing if you're dizzy and then the wall start closing in, right? And you start to get tunnel Kimberley: yeah, Michael:  Well, that's what you can always make a different, Kimberley: yes, yes, um, Michael: I think the lay, but. nothing about health anxiety that likes delay, right? Because whenever these [00:23:00] symptoms come up, it's always going to be about you need to do this Kimberley urgent, Michael:  to the E. R. Currently, like right Kimberley: yeah, Michael:  wait, Kimberley: yeah, yeah, Michael:  if even if we're able to kind of like practice some type of delay, right? We'll be like, okay, this is what this feels like now. I understand the concerns my brain has, like not quite sure if I can trust it. I don't know. It's giving me some bad advice before. I But could I just wait that out and kind of see how that Kimberley yeah, Michael:  And, you know, if it continues to get worse or you start to get tunnel vision, go take care of it. There's probably something going on. But if those experiences, you know, I think what happens a lot of times for people is they, they try to move themselves on to something else, right? They get back to dinner or whatever it might be. And then they kind of have that reflection point or like later of being like, Oh yeah, I was like dizzy Kimberley: um, Michael:  earlier. And it's like, Oh, Kimberley: um. Michael:  to that? Right? So I think delay can be a really helpful Kimberley: Fantastic. Quickly, just because I have a couple of people in mind, and I know what their questions would be here, is in regards to [00:24:00] the, the point number two, where we were talking about the difference between medical, physical, and psychological. Let's say somebody. Um, has just intrusive thoughts about like, what if, actually maybe no, let's say they have a headache, a physical symptom and their brain is just constantly telling them like, this is a brain aneurysm, or this is a brain tumor, like this is cancer and it doesn't quit, um, Um, and the person also experiences this sort of intuition that this is what it is. What, how would you, what, what bucket would you put that in and would you use the same skills? Michael:  So, yeah, so the, the questions that I would have for that situation, which is number one, have you been to the doctor? You know, have you gotten it checked out? Have you like evaluated some of these, you know, headaches that you've been Kimberley: Mm. Michael:  Now if they say, uh, no, I've never been to the doctor about that. I'm, I'm not a doctor. I'm going to say would be [00:25:00] kind of silly of me at that point to be like, you're Kimberley: Yeah. Michael:  You know, that's Kimberley:  Just tolerate the uncertainty. Michael:  Yeah, that'd be good, right? We're like, that's probably not great. So because nobody would do Kimberley: No. Michael:  Like we, well, hopefully most people would not do that because if there is, so that's the first question I would always Kimberley: Mm. Michael:  is if you're having a physical symptom that's different, that's changed, that's more significant, whatever it might be, question needs to always be, have you gotten this Kimberley: Mm. Mm. Michael:  part that it's, I really wish there was a better answer to this. but there's not the least that I found, which is like how much is too much, you know? So if you're like, okay, so let's say the answer is yes, I have gotten it looked at and they can't find anything. Um, sometimes the conversation starts to become, well, how much, like, should I go for a second opinion or third or fourth or fifth or sixth? Um, and what's really difficult about that [00:26:00] is no one really knows that answer. Okay. And, um, what I try to really do to level with people, too, is that, you know, if you were having that headache and you're like, I don't know, Mike, like, this is like, I've seen like four doctors, still feel like there's something, like the intuition Kimberley: Mm hmm. Michael:  feel like there's something wrong. There's something going on. I can't, I can't fight you on that and being like, no, you shouldn't, right? Because I, the fifth time might actually be the time where it's like something comes back and you're like, oh my goodness, like, I'm so glad they found that. So. always this kind of difficult time that I get these questions where people would say like, what, what, what is too much now getting like a fourth or fifth or sixth opinion, whatever that might be, could just be reassurance Kimberley: Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Michael:  you know, getting another clear scan or whatever that might be. And it just kind of gives us that temporary relief of like, okay, goodness, like nothing's going on. But I think it's reasonable for us to know it's like it's not a very clear cut kimberley-_1_06-04-2024_101032: Mm hmm. Michael:  Of saying, like, [00:27:00] everybody's in their right to go get another opinion. you know, to, you know, however much you want to pursue that. We have to be on board and somewhat of being like, okay, like, go do that. But the other thing that I would always throw in there, too, that I like to try to work with people is, there's going to be productive ways that we can pursue that, there's going to be unproductive Kimberley: Mm. Michael:  you're having those headaches, and you're, and you're like, I've seen three people, I kind of want to go see four, I would say, I can't fight you on that. You should go see that fourth person, see what they say, but that's a productive method of trying to figure something out, right? Like, cause you could possibly, they could give you some scan, right? And be like, Oh my goodness, like right here, we found something, right? also other unproductive behaviors that sometimes people get into, um, that like your brain at 3 a. in the morning while you're ruminating about if there could be something going on in your brain or not, right? have no access to scans, like you're not gonna figure anything [00:28:00] out. You're not gonna come to some revelation of like, Oh, now that I can see inside my brain, I can see what the problem is, right? So, there's, there's kind of an encouragement that I try to give to people, too, is if you really feel like there's something wrong, and even though you've gotten a lot of things that have said maybe nothing is wrong, if you want, if you feel like it's necessary to continue to pursue those productive ways, set an appointment with a doctor. Go to that appointment when it's the time, right? Great, go do those. But some of these other things when we're thinking about like, but are we like ruminating about this for hours on end during the day? never going to become anything Kimberley: Mm. Michael:  not going to come to some insight of like, ah, I see everything clearly now, I see what's wrong. And so we try to practice those tools in those situations of saying, you know, if that's kind of an unhelpful thing to do, could I find something better to do? Uh, to do with my time than just endlessly going over this in my Kimberley: Yeah. Amazing. Which [00:29:00] ties us right into the thing number four. Um, tell us. Michael:  four, the four, I almost held up five, so that's good. Number four is, now, when we think of like, like, you know, for some of the viewers who might be a little bit more familiar with OCD, a lot of times I just use the terminology of TOs Kimberley: Mm. Michael:  triggers, obsessions, and Kimberley: Mm. Michael:  you might be saying, it's like, well, I didn't think health anxiety was really OCD. It's not. But. The functionality of these things kind of operate in the exact same way. So number four is talking about compulsions, or if you just wanted to view it as safety behaviors, that's cool, too. They kind of do the same thing, which is there's going to be physical or behavioral compulsions that we could do or mental. and one of the things that we really have to account for is just their ability to not really be able to give us an answer that we really want. and how sometimes it actually, especially with health anxiety, one of the things that I'll point with health anxiety. Usually makes things [00:30:00] worse. So there's always like pretty classic different mental or behavioral compulsions, you know, googling or, you know, going on Web and D and clicking on the little body right and being like, you know, we get the huge list, you know, you put in fatigue and it's like, gives you all these terrible things, right? It's like, Oh, maybe I don't Kimberley: There's like cancer at the bottom of every single Urban D article. Michael:  Yeah. Yeah, it's just like this. Just put it on the Kimberley: Yeah. Michael: you know, it'll be there. Um, the one thing I think is really important to consider specifically with health anxiety is the tendency for us to become really inwardly focused. And I think this makes it really difficult people to be able to have any chance of being able to move on from any of their health worries. a lot of times what we all want to do is the one thing that we want to monitor is the thing that's wrong. And so for instance, if you go back to your dizziness, right, we might continue to check in on that being like, well, my dizzy now or my dizzy now. How about now? [00:31:00] But the problem is, is that now you're like now you're swapping buckets, Because we have the medical that we have the physical and we have the psychological bucket. But what's a, um, I don't know. You feel dizzy because you drank a little bit too much coffee this morning. You're kind of feeling a little whoa, right? That's a physical symptom. not medical. You don't need to go to the doctor and be like, I've drank too much coffee and be like, great, just go run around for a little bit. Work it off. Right. Um, but the hard part about that is like, so that's a physical symptom. However, then we could start to get that conclusion that we talked about of like, Oh, my goodness, like, what does this mean? And maybe the conclusion is medical. You know, it's like, Oh, maybe I'm gonna pass out. but then the result of that is psychological. We start to get anxious about it. We're like, Oh my goodness, like this could be really bad and like, I don't want this to happen. However, now the byproduct of anxiety a lot of times is lightheadedness, right? And so we work into this catch 22. The [00:32:00] hard part about it is we keep checking in on those and there's a lot of body monitoring with health anxiety that really gets people stuck, um, paying attention to feelings and sensations and symptoms. And the hard part is it keeps going back and forth between these two things of we get really concerned about a symptom. It makes us feel anxious, which increases symptoms, which we notice more. And when we notice more, it makes us feel more anxious. And when we get more anxious, and so we just keep getting into the step ladder. So one of the things that I think is important when we think about this Catch 22 that starts to happen, is I try to really encourage people to think about, If often you get, start to get stuck within your body, your, your focus is inward thinking about how do I feel, what do I notice all of these different things? biggest goal that we can do with any of these things is how do we become more outwardly focused? That doesn't mean that you have to like [00:33:00] pretend that you're not feeling some of these things. Um, I'm a huge fan of dialectics in terms of using and Kimberley: Yes. Michael:  which is noticing like I'm feeling dizzy right now. And also I could try to be as best of my ability really involved in whatever is going on around me. Um, and so think it is, like there's a lot of different compulsions and things that we could talk about, but the biggest one I would want to bring up, at least for people to be aware of. it's becoming more inwardly focused, gets us stuck Kimberley: Yeah. Michael:  And, and it's, and understandably it's scary. to direct ourselves away from those, right? Because then it starts to feel terrifying of like, oh my goodness, if there's something that's really going wrong with me and I'm not paying attention to it? And that's where we start to get to the feared consequence, Kimberley: Yeah. Tell Michael:  some of the work starts to become, which is if I can recognize I have a pretty good answer about [00:34:00] this, maybe my brain isn't being all that reliable. I think this is just a psychological symptom. Um, maybe I'm willing to take the risk that maybe it could be something bigger, better. Um, but in service of being able to get back to my life do the things that I would like to be able to do, maybe that's a risk I'd be willing to take. Kimberley: me about number five. Michael:  That leads into number five. realize whenever I wrote these out, these were going to blend so well, but Kimberley: It's like we're flowing. We're in, we're jiving today. Michael: I know, right? The number five just goes back to this piece of The hardest thing about health anxiety is that one of the things it's not always about death because that sometimes that's what people always think is like, Oh, you're just afraid to die. Um, Kimberley: Mmm. Michael: people's faces whenever I always had the pre face, know, we always like to ask that question of like, what would be the worst thing about that? And health anxiety is always the really like, [00:35:00] uh, interesting one where it's like, well, I'd probably die and be like, what would be the worst thing about that? And people look at me and they're like, Kimberley: I'd be dead. Michael:  that'd be dead. And I'd be like, yeah, I know, but what would be the worst? And so for some people it is, Kimberley: Yeah. Michael:  death. But there's a variety of different, um, feared consequences that I think it's important for people to wrestle with too, which is some people it's around Kimberley: Mmm. Michael:  Some people it's about just the struggle. It's about treatment. It's about just how miserable it'd Kimberley: Mm. squadcaster-48hd_1_06-04-2024_121032: You know, uh, it would be about, you know, the whole process around, you know, getting treated and. You know, saying goodbye to people. For some people, it's not just about death, but it's also about, um, like, the impact that they would see a huge increase in health anxiety when people usually have, like, big life events. Uh, not just in terms of stress, but like, they get married, and now it's kind of like, it's up the ante of their health anxiety. It's like, well, now it would be kind of bad if you Kimberley: Yeah. Michael:  But it would be even [00:36:00] worse because now you'd leave like your spouse behind or even worse like Kimberley:  Yeah. Michael:  kids search into the picture, right? And it's like, Oh my goodness. And so I think it's really important to kind of start to look at is a lot of things that we could really fear to lose. The dirty trick that health anxiety plays it kind of makes us lose those things before we've even lost Kimberley: Yeah. Michael:  And what I mean by that is that sometimes we become so preoccupied with our health. Going to the ER, you know, running to the doctor again or, uh, just ruminating her mind or, you know, the family's around or you're having dinner and you're on your phone, right? Like looking up symptoms, right? things that we're afraid to lose might already be Kimberley: Yeah. Michael:  they're there in front of you to be able to engage in. the really hard thing is, is we're afraid that those would go away, but they've already gone Kimberley: Yeah. Umm. Michael: other process. So. think the one thing we have to kind of really wrestle with is [00:37:00] it's not just about trying to get rid of anxiety. I mean, that's part of the picture. Um, I'm sure for anybody that's ever in the helping profession, they'll always have somebody come in and saying, I really want, you know, this to go away, to be less pain, to feel less anxious, to feel less sad, whatever that might be. And those are cool goals. Like I'm on board with those, right? Like, I don't want people to feel more anxious. Um, I want people to feel less anxious. But if that's the extent of our goals for ourselves is just to, like, worry about my health less, I mean, that's kind of good, but we're missing a big part of the picture here, which is really, what can we add? You know, because health anxiety wants to steal all these things away from you in your life, The things that we're so scared to lose in the first place. And so a big part of number five, I think, is important for people to really recognize, is that Health anxiety is going to want to take those things away from you. And I wouldn't want people to work just like feel less anxious about their Kimberley: Yeah. Michael:  I would want them [00:38:00] to work in what are the things that you're really afraid to lose. I want you doing more of Kimberley: Yeah. Michael:  Right. And that is going to get to the point of having to work to give up some of the things that often would make us feel like we need to do to be able to keep ourselves safe. And that's hard. That is, that's the Kimberley: Yeah. Michael:  Is being able to lean into those things. But, the work also becomes, also gets with the reward, which is, we're actually being able to live life and be able to do those really meaningful and valuable things that we really are afraid to lose in the first Kimberley: Yeah. And when you start living your life, you tend to be focused less inward on all the symptoms as well. So it's sort of like a reverse snowball effect. Michael:  That one of the, absolutely. Good, I'm glad you bring up that point, right? Because that's what happens, Kimberley: Yeah. Michael: we get involved in something else, we start having fun, and then it's that tendency for our mind to want to go back to be like, well, how does this[00:39:00] Kimberley: Yes. Michael:  How does this feel? And so my encouragement for anybody is that about trying to get away from those. I try to draw a quick, line between distraction and redirection, which is a distraction is like an escape, right? Be like, I can't think about this. I got to get away from it. You know, like, let me focus on this movie, Kimberley: Mm hmm. Michael:  Where a redirection is really just trying to make a place for that of just noting of like, yeah, I am feeling this way. I noticed my brain is like yelling at me to be like, look this up on Google right Kimberley:  Yes. Michael: I could notice that. And also, I know it's going to be more helpful for me to make a place for that. Get back to the movie. Really try to get into that. Pay attention to it. that gives us a chance to do, just like what you said, is now we're focusing outside Kimberley:  Yeah. Michael: Instead of all the things that could be going on in our body, which some of them could possibly be serious, but most of them are probably just our bodies being Kimberley: and I think that's cool too is like our bodies will be bodies there, especially as we [00:40:00] age. I see a lot of people's health anxiety go up as aging. You said aches and pains, sleep issues, like it's so common. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Michael: and it's like sleeping on like something like really uncomfortable floor and And then like, I'm like, oh, I slept really good. And then like me, as I got older and there was like a sock in your bed that you slept on and you're like, oh my goodness. Like, and, and age is gonna Kimberley: Yeah. squadcaster-48hd_1_06-04-2024_121032: had to remember as, as age goes up, health kimberley-_1_06-04-2024_101032: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Michael: you know, the question real quick, I'd just like to add with this is a lot of times I do get the question of like, well, what if you've had cancer in the past? Right? Like, is that still health anxiety? And it's like, well, you know, if you're in remission you're doing all the things that you need to do, you know, you're probably getting more frequent scans, all those different types of things. We can still become preoccupied with the [00:41:00] possibility of like, what if this new thing, whatever we're feeling is cancer again, right? And that's, I think we have to walk that, that piece of like, that's an incredibly understandable place. And also we go back to number three. which is, is like, are we getting information from our brain that's reliable? And if all the other information that we have in the current period of time, working with an oncologist, whatever it might be, is saying, Hey, your markers look good. Blood work looks good. Your scans look great. Then that's maybe what we challenge ourselves to say, maybe I need to get back the things that are most important. Kimberley:  I love this so much. Thank you so much for sharing these points and bringing so many applicable skills and tools as well. Tell us where people can hear about you. Tell us about your book. All the things. Michael: Yeah, absolutely. So, um, A couple different things with that. One is we did release a book in the mid December. Um, [00:42:00] it's right here. The Complete Guide to Overcoming Health Anxiety. Uh, How to Live Life to the Fullest Because You're Not Dead Yet. Kimberley:  Punchy little yes. Michael: Still here. So, um, there is a book out on Amazon. You can get it, uh, soft cover or you can get a Kindle version. It's written, wanted to write it. Uh, so the, my coauthor. Uh, Josh Kimberley:  Yes. Michael: and I wrote it, um, and we really wanted to write a book that didn't feel too clinical, didn't feel too like, um, you know, that, you know, like you're reading like a, an academic book or something like that. So I think if you appreciate maybe a little bit of a lighter approach, at sometimes funny, some points, uh, cringy, maybe not cringy, I'll just blame it on Josh. Maybe that was all his cringy points. I, I did all the good jokes. Uh, just kidding, Josh. I love you. Um, uh, it is, it's just written in a little bit of a different way that I hope that, you know, some of the feedback [00:43:00] is for people have said that like it's written differently, but it's just written and they feel like they can connect Kimberley: Yeah. Kimberley:  make sense. Um, but that's also very back to, you know, number three that we talked about in terms of cognitive interventions is that you know, it's really important to start to change our relationship with those. So the book is out there, but also we, we also started a website, um, overcoming health anxiety. com. Um, and it has a ton of different resources. We just redid it and try to add a bunch of different other stuff. So we have a health anxiety one on one section. We have treatment resources. have videos, you know, different podcasts. Um, we have a link to our free virtual support group that meets every Thursday of the month. Michael: So, um, uh, so, uh, we have a link to there. Because we really just want to be able to try to reach out. And like I said when we first started [00:44:00] is, a lot of people know that this is a thing, right? Because they, they know and there's even the term cyberchondria out there, right? Like people know about health anxiety. But very people do know that you can actually like get Michael: this not necessarily just through a doctor in terms of like, Oh, here's your medical treatment, but there's psychological tools that you can use that with that. So, yeah, those are our resources. We got that website. We got the book. Um, and, um, we're just trying to connect with health anxiety sufferers to show them that there's some hope to feel better. Kimberley: So good. Thank you. So many wonderful resources and amazing book. Thank you so much for coming on. Um, those folks are the five things you need to know about health anxiety. Thank you so much, Mike, for being here with us today. Michael: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

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The Big Cigar's Janine Sherman Barois (Claws; Criminal Minds) and Jim Hecht (Winning Time; Ice Age) discuss the responsibility of telling true stories, how The Big Cigar isn't just a biopic, working on multiple projects, the state of the industry, and more.Come see Dead Pilots Society on Sunday, June 30, 2-4pm PT at the Elysian Theater in LA! In Dead Pilots Society scripts that were developed by studios and networks but were never produced are given the table reads they deserve.The June 30 show at the Elysian Theater features scripts by Dario Konjicija & Damir Konjicija (Home Economics; Young Sheldon) and Jordan Roter (American Housewife).The cast includes: Beth Dover (Orange Is the New Black), Josh Banday (Upload; Not Dead Yet), Vinny Thomas (Platonic; Ahsoka), Leah Lewis (Matlock; Elemental), Punam Patel (Special; Ghosts) and more to be announced!Get live or video-on-demand tickets here.THE WRITERS PANEL IS A COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT PRODUCTION.Follow and support the show by subscribing to Ben Blacker's newsletter, Re:Writing, where you'll also get weekly advice from the thousands of writers he's interviewed over the years, as well as access to exclusive live Q&As, meet-ups, and more: benblacker.substack.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

“Celebrity memoirs have always been my favorite book genre,” reflects podcast guest Chelsea Devantez, the Emmy-nominated writer, comedian, director, and host of the celebrity book club podcast “Glamorous Trash.” “That is what happens when your nearest bookstore growing up is a Wal-Mart. That was my fate.”  Chelsea is just out with a celebrity-adjacent memoir of her own, I Shouldn't Be Telling You This (But I'm Going to Anyway), from Hanover Square Press. It's a book that might surprise her loyal podcast listeners, or viewers who know her from her work as a television writer for shows like “Not Dead Yet,” “Girls5Eva,” and “Bless This Mess,” or as the head writer for the Apple TV+ show “The Problem with Jon Stewart.”  The book is wildly funny in spots, but harrowing and traumatic in others, as Chelsea tells her story through a series of essays about the many women who have given her life shape and meaning, recounting a tumultuous childhood, a series of toxic relationships, and a pattern of domestic violence that might have upended a less determined soul.  Join us as we talk with Chelsea about her new book, about her unlikely career path, and about the current state of the celebrity memoir, in a conversation that will hopefully make you think about the stories we share, and the ways we go about sharing them.  Learn more about Chelsea Devantez: Website "Glamorous Trash" podcast Instagram Twitter Facebook TikTok Patreon Please support the sponsors who support our show: Ritani Jewelers Daniel Paisner's Balloon Dog  Daniel Paisner's SHOW: The Making and Unmaking of a Network Television Pilot Unforgiving: Lessons from the Fall by Lindsey Jacobellis Film Movement Plus (PODCAST) | 30% discount Libro.fm (ASTOLDTO) | 2 audiobooks for the price of 1 when you start your membership Film Freaks Forever! podcast, hosted by Mark Jordan Legan and Phoef Sutton Everyday Shakespeare podcast A Mighty Blaze podcast The Writer's Bone Podcast Network Misfits Market (WRITERSBONE) | $15 off your first order  Film Movement Plus (PODCAST) | 30% discount Wizard Pins (WRITERSBONE) | 20% discount

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Emma and Joe's monthly round-up of books is back with June picks! Grab a beverage and get ready for a long-list of summer-y picks! For Emma and Joe that usually means mystery and romance, but there's also a dash of cooking, graphic novels, YA, and family sagas. Author Interviews:   The Rom-Commers by Katherine Center  Horror Movie by Paul Tremblay    Joe's Picks:   Middle of the Night by Riley Sager  Willie, Waylon, and the Boys by Brian Fairbanks  Birds Aren't Real by Peter McIndoe, Connor Gaydos  Lula Dean's Little Library of Banned Books by Kirsten Miller  The Salad Lab by Darlene Schrijver (TikTok Tie In)  Annie LeBlanc is Not Dead Yet by Molly Morris  Hombrecito by Santiago Jose Sanchez  One Killer Problem by Justine Pucella Winans  Now, Conjurers by Freddie Kolsch  Brownstone by Samuel Teer  One of our Kind by Nicola Yoon    Emma's Picks:   Swan Song by Elin Hilderbrand  Leather & Lark by Brynne Weaver  A Novel Love Story by Ashely Poston  A Talent for Murder by Peter Swanson  Blood in the Cut by Alejandro Nodarse  Just Some Stupid Love Story by Katelyn Doyle  Such a Bad Influence by Olivia Muenter   A Daughter of Fair Verona by Christina Dodd  The Unwedding by Ally Condie  A Love Like the Sun by Riss M. Neilson  Need a refresher on what our most anticipated books of the year are? Listen here: PBN's Most Anticipated Books of 2024 episode  Readers can sample and borrow the titles mentioned in today's episode on OverDrive.com or in Libby. Library friends can shop these titles in OverDrive Marketplace. Looking for more bookish content? Check out the Libby Life Blog! We hope you enjoy this episode of the Professional Book Nerds podcast. Be sure to rate, review and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen! You can follow the Professional Book Nerds on Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok @ProBookNerds. Want to reach out? Send an email to professionalbooknerds@overdrive.com. We've got merch! Check out our two shirts in The OverDrive Shop (all profits are donated to the ALA Literacy Clearinghouse). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Grab the Kleenex, because this interview gets *emotional!* Chelsea Devantez is an Emmy-nominated writer, comedian, director, and host of the podcast Glamorous Trash. Before she entered into an overall television deal with 20th Century Fox, she was Jon Stewart's Head Writer for Apple TV+'s The Problem with Jon Stewart. Other television credits include Not Dead Yet, Girls5Eva, and Bless this Mess, among others. In 2020, Chelsea wrote, directed, and starred in the 2020 SXSW film, Basic, and is set to direct her feature debut this fall and her memoir will be published in June 2024 — titled I Shouldn't Be Telling You This (But I'm Going To Anyway).Follow Chelsea on Instagram and pre-order her memoir now.Wanna go to Switzerland with us? Learn more and book your trip!Today's podcast is brought to you by Childfree Wealth, a life and financial planning firm dedicated to helping childfree and permanently childless people live their best life without kids. Visit their website to get started — and tell them we sent you!  Support this show.Wanna connect with us on social media? You can find us on Instagram and TikTok at @diypod. If you have a question or comment, email us at dinky@dinkypod.comBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/dinky--5953015/support.

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Chelsea Devantez is an Emmy-nominated writer, comedian, director, and host of the podcast Glamorous Trash. Before she entered into an overall television deal with 20th Century Fox, she was Jon Stewart's Head Writer for Apple TV+'s The Problem with Jon Stewart. Her other television credits include Not Dead Yet, Girls5Eva, and Bless this Mess, among others. Chelsea's top chart performing independent podcast, “Glamorous Trash with Chelsea Devantez" is a must listen. She discusses her new book, I Shouldn't Be Telling You This. The book centers each story around a different woman who shaped her life, taking us on a tour of friends and strangers, fictional characters and celebrities, heroes and villains who will destroy any Netflix algorithm for a “strong female lead.” Reading this book will feel kinda like that moment at a party when your friend beckons you close, sloshes her martini around, and covertly whispers, “I really shouldn't say this, but…” Reality Life with Kate Casey Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/katecasey Twitter: https://twitter.com/katecasey Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/katecaseyca Tik Tok: http://www.tiktok.com/itskatecasey Cameo: https://cameo.com/katecasey Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/113157919338245 Amazon.com: www.amazon.com/shop/katecaseySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Josh Banday is an LA actor appearing as Ivan on Amazon's Upload by Greg Daniels and also as Dennis on Not Dead Yet.  He has also appeared on The Big Bang Theory, Love, Rush Hour, Mom, Adam Ruins Everything, Man with a Plan, and on the series Pam and Tommy. He got his comedy chops appearing in shows at Second City, and the Groundling's Sunday Company.   Want to Watch: YouTube Meisterkhan Pod. (Please Subscribe)

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The Gents hop into as many showers as possible to chat about the 1995 action thriller Fair Game! :45 - Movies We've Seen (Planet Terror, Blue Rain, Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, War for the Planet of the Apes, The Fifth Element, Training Day, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, Election) 12:11 - TV Shows We've Seen (Tales of the Empire, Fallout, Queer Eye, I'm Sorry, Not Dead Yet) 23:40 - Fair Game Get bonus episodes over on our Patreon! Next episode: District 9 (2009)

Brea and Mallory pick their most anticipated books for June and July. Plus, they discuss books they love that aren't in their wheelhouses. Email us at readingglassespodcast at gmail dot com!Reading Glasses MerchRecommendations StoreSponsors -Factorwww.factormeals.com/GLASSES50CODE: GLASSES50Microdose Gummieswww.microdose.comCODE: GLASSESLinks -Reading Glasses Facebook GroupReading Glasses Goodreads GroupAmazon Wish ListNewsletterLibro.fmTo join our Slack channel, email us proof of your Reading-Glasses-supporting Maximum Fun membership!Mallory's New Book!Books Mentioned - Stagtown by PunkoPuzzleheart by Jenn ReeseBook Lovers by Emily HenryLong Division by Kiese LaymonJuneThe Stardust Grail by Yume KitaseiComing back for one last job, art heist in spaceFire Exit by Morgan TaltyLiterary, Maine, family, small town secretsOne Star Romance by Laura HankinRomance, enemies to lovers, publishing, academiaNot in Love by Ali Hazelwood - Romance, women in STEM, business, secret affairDaughter of the Merciful Deep by Leslye PenelopeHistorical fantasy, gods and myths, woman on a journey, ancient magicEnlightenment by Sarah PerryLiterary, romance, astronomy, friendship, mystery, scienceLady Eve's Last Con by Rebecca FraimowQueer sci fi romance, be gay do space crimesDancers of the Dawn by Zulekha A. AfzalYA fantasy, dance magic, desert setting, dancer assassins, adventureTidal Creatures by Seanan McGuireSequel to MiddlegameThe Pecan Children by Quinn ConnorSmall town horror, Southern US setting, sisters, folkloreWe Speak Through the Mountain by Premee MohamedSequel to The Annual Migration of CloudsThe Unrelenting Earth by Kritika H. RaoBook 2 of The Rages TrilogyThe Phoenix Ballroom by Ruth HoganLiterary, elderly widow reviving a community and her heartMoonbound by Robin SloanSci fi and fantasy, AI narrator, magic, journeyThe Girl Who Kept the Castle by Ryan GraudinMiddle grade fantasy, dragons, magic castles, cat character, magic competitionRakesfall by Vajra ChandrasekeraSci fi, reincarnation, friendship, time stuffThe Cautious Traveler's Guide to the Wastelands by Sarah BrooksHistorical fantasy, train trip, magic, monsters, friendsCraft: Stories I Wrote for the Devil by Ananda LimaShort stories, speculative fiction, strangeDarkness and Demon Song by M.R. FounetMiddle grade horror, monsters, forbidden spells, moms, Southern US settingPlease Stop Trying to Leave by Alana SaabLiterary, surreal, lesbian, mental illness, healingHombrecito by Santiago Jose SanchezLiterary, queer, coming of age, immigrant story, mother relationshipHot Summer by Elle EverheartLesbian romance, reality show, comedyThe Lion's Den by Iris MwanzaHistorical queer legal thrillerSix of Sorrow by Amanda LismeirQueer YA horror, small town, friendships, Yellowjackets compUnexploded Remnants by Elaine GallagherQueer sci fi, space, AI, woman on a journeyA Shore Thing by Joanna LowellTrans historical romance on the British seasideAnnie LeBlanc is Not Dead Yet by Molly MorrisQueer literary fiction, ghosts, resurrection, friendship, CaliforniaAll Friends are Necessary by Tomas MonizQueer literary fiction, queer community, found family, WashingtonDirector's Cut by Carlyn GreenwaldLesbian romance, Hollywood, academia, rivals to loversThe Sons of El Rey by Alex EspinozaGay luchadores!!!!!, family, Mexico City, Los Angeles, 1980s, literaryMake It Count by Cece TelferTrans sports memoir, running, OlympicsCicada Summer by Erica McKeenLiterary, queerd (queer + weird) fiction, book about a book, griefThe Ballad of Jacquotte Delahaye by Briony CameronHistorical fiction, queer lady pirateBut How Are You Really by Ella DawsonRomance, disaster bisexuals, found familyTriple Sec by TJ AlexanderQueer poly romance, cocktail bars, NYCWe Could Be Heroes by Philip EllisGay romance, Hollywood, drag, actingThe Future Was Color by Patrick NathanGay historical fiction, 1950s Hollywood, LA, NYC, Las VegasBlessings by Chukwebuka IbehLiterary fiction, gay, new adult, coming of age, Nigeriayouthjuice by E.K. SathueHorror, satire, NYC, beauty industryThe Eyes Are the Best Part by Monica KimHorror, female serial killerI'm Mostly Here to Enjoy Myself by Glynnis MacNicholMemoir, female pursuit of pleasureTraveling by Ann PowersJoni Mitchell biographySwimming Pretty by Vicki ValosikHistory of women and swimmingFour Eids and a Funeral by Faridah Abike Iyimide and Adiba JaigirdarRomance, ex-best friends to lover, holiday celebrationBirding with Benefits by Sarah T. DubbRomance, bird bookCurvy Girl Summer by Danielle AllenRomance, fat protagonist, funnyHow to Age Disgracefully by Claire PooleySenior romance, funny, communityThe Lonely Hearts Trivia Night by Lauren FarnsworthRomance, London, friendship, triviaA Daughter of Fair Verona by Christina DoddHistorical romance, Romeo and Juliet reimaginingSwift River by Essie ChambersLiterary, new adult, 1980s, New England, family saga, mother and daughter, family secretsBright and Tender Dark by Joanna PeasonLiterary, murder, college campus, urban legends, debutBear by Julia PhilipsLiterary, sisters, family, mysterious creature in the woodsSame As It Ever Was by Claire LombardoLiterary, family dramaHorror Movie by Paul TremblayHorror, multiple timelines, surreal, filmmakingOnce Upon a Fever by Angharad WalkerYA sci fi thriller, world where emotions are thought to cause diseaseLooking for Smoke by K.A. CobellYA thriller, murder, debutSuch a Bad Influence by Olivia MuenterThriller, debut, sister's disappearance, social media, dark corners of the internetThe Unwedding by Ally CondieThriller, White Lotus meets Agatha ChristieOne of Our Kind by Nicola YoonThriller, Get Out meets The Stepford WivesWhat Fire Brings by Rachel Howzell HallThriller, writer searching for missing friend, Los AngelesThe Midnight Feast by Lucy FoleyThriller, locked room murder mystery, luxury resortDeath in the Air by Ram MuraliMystery, debut, locked room, Knives Out meets Crazy Rich AsiansThat Night in the Library by Eva JurczykLocked room mystery in a library, college, dark academiaIcon and Inferno by Marie LuYA mystery romance, secret agentsIncidents Around the House by Josh MalermanHorror, family, motherhoodMoral Injuries by Christie WatsonPsychological thriller, friendships, medicine, revengeLove Letters to a Serial Killer by Tasha CoryellDebut thriller, serial killerJulyI Was a Teenage Slasher by Stephen Graham JonesHorror, slasher, 1980s, TexasThe Night of Baba Yaga by Akira OtaniQueer thriller, Kill Bill meets Thelma and LouiseThe Ghost Keeper by Johanna TaylorQueer YA graphic novel, gothic horror romance, ghostsExes and Foes by Amanda WoodyYA queer romance, competitionSo Witches We Became by Jill BaguchinskyQueer YA horror, witches, female rageNo Road Home by John FramQueer thriller, Texas, family secretsQueen B by Juno DawsonNext in Her Majesty's Royal CovenYou Had Me At Happy Hour by Timothy JanovskyGay romance, mixology, PennsylvaniaNicked by M.T. AndersonDebut, queer historical fantasy, medieval heistCursed Boys and Broken Hearts by Adam SassYA gay romance, vineyard summer job, rose festivalEvenings and Weekends by Oisin McKennaQueer literary fiction, London, new adult, sexy, funnyA Rose by Any Other Name by Mary McMyneQueer fantasy, Shakespeare retelling, occult romanceToward Eternity by Anton HurQueer sci fi, bio tech, nano-tech, meaning of lifeBury Your Gays by Chuck TingleQueer horror, HollywoodMisrecognition by Madison NewboundQueer new adult literary fiction, funny, debut, sexualityPortrait of a Shadow by Meriam MetouiYA horror romance, mystery, family secretsOur Wicked Histories by Amy GoldsmithYA horror, Ireland, estranged friends, creepy houseThe Road to the Salt Sea by Samuel KolawoleLiterary, hotel, man on a journey, class, immigrationHouse of Shades by Lianne DillsworthHistorical fiction, Victorian London, female doctor, secretsThe Ornithologist's Field Guide to Love by India HoltonHistorical fantasy, romance, magic, birds, rom com, competition, EnglandThe Lost Boy of Santa Chionia by Juliet GramesHistorical thriller, Italy, 1960s, village full of secrets, romanceThe Haunting of Hecate Cavendish by Paula BrackstonHistorical fantasy, Victorian England, ghosts, libraryA Lethal Lady by Nekesa AfriaHistorical mystery, Paria, perfume, murderThe Scandalous Life of Ruby Devereaux by M.J. RobothamHistorical fiction, Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo readalikeMy Lady's Secrets by Katy MoranHistorical fiction, regency England, spies, romanceMasquerade by O.O. SangoyomiHistorical fantasy, Persephone retelling, court intrigueTeddy by Emily DunlayDebut historical fiction, Mad Men meets Lessons in ChemistryThey Dream in Gold by Mai SennaarLiterary fiction, epic family saga, family and identityLiars by Sarah MangusoLiterary fiction, motherhood, marriage, artWelcome to Glorious Tuga by Francesca SegalLiterary fiction, heart warming, island in the South Atlantic, funny, quirky, communityThe Coin by Yasmin ZaherLiterary fiction, NYC, teacher, a woman unravelingLet Me Liberate You by Andie DavisLiterary fiction, satire about activism and privilegeTell It to Me Singing by Tita RamirezLiterary fiction, Cuban American family drama, debut, secrets, twistySmothermoss by Alisa AleringLiterary, 1980s, Appalachia, sisters, monsters, weird fictionMysterious Setting by Kazushige Abe, translated by Michael EmmerichJapanese novella, funny and dark, sibling competitionThe Losts Souls of Benzaiten by Kelly MurashigeYA sci fi, Japanese mythology, mental health, robot vacuum cleanerIn the Shadow of the Fall by Tobi OgundiranEpic fantasy novella, visions, priestesses, cosmic warA Certain Kind of Starlight by Heather WebberFantasy, magic, small town, friendshipThe Dissonance by Shaun HamillEpic contemporary fantasy, Texas, magic, monsters, friendshipThe Mirror of Beasts by Alexandra BrackenSequel to Silver in the BoneMy Mother Cursed My Name by Anamely Salgado ReyesMagical realism, generational trauma, grief, family sagaOne Year Ago in Spain by Evelyn SkyeMagical realism romance, second chance romance, ghosts and soulsNavigational Entanglements by Aliette de BodardFound family space opera romanceDaughters of Chaos by Jen FawkesQueer historical fantasy, Civil War era Nashville, female rage, powers, cultThe Lost Story by Meg ShafferRomantasy, magical world, disappearancesThe Melancholy of Untold History by Minsoo KangEast-Asian inspired fantasy saga, gods and mythsThe Second Son by Adrienne TooleySequelGrief in the Fourth Dimension by Jennifer YuSpec fic YA, death and afterlifeThe Book of Elsewhere by China Mieville and Keanu ReevesGenre bendy spec ficPrimal Mirror by Nalini SinghRomantasy, family secrets, telepathsAll This and More by Peng ShepardChoose your own adventure fantasyThe Sky on Fire by Jenn LyonsHigh fantasy, heist with dragonsQuickly, While They Still Have Horses by Jan CarsonSpec fic short storiesThe Dallergut Dream Department Store by Miya Lee, translated by Sandy Joosun LeeCozy Korean fantasyThe Great Hemisphere by Mateo AskaripourSci fi, invisible protagonistIllustrated Girl by Josephine AngelinYA cozy fantasyWomen in the Valley of the Kings by Kathleen ShepardFeminist Egyptology historyMeet the Neighbors by Brandon KeimScience of animal intelligenceJewel Me Twice by Charish ReidSteamy heist romance, second chances, Europe tripThe Widow on Dwyer Court by Lisa KuselSexy psychological thriller, writer protagonistBody Check by Elle KennedySpicy hockey rom-comJust Playing House by Farah HeronRomance, forced proximity, second chances, celebrity romanceLook in the Mirror by Catherine SteadmanThriller, inheritance with a cost, mansion in the British Virgin IslandsThe Woman in the Garden by Jill JohnsonBotanical poison murder mystery, plants, LondonBright Objects by Ruby ToddThriller, debut, astronomy, romance, murder, a cometThe Astrology House by Carinn JadeThriller, astrology, debut, wealthy retreat, secretsThe Bang Bang Sisters by Rio YouersThriller, all girl vigilante rock bandThe Wilds by Sarah PearseChilling thriller, vanish twin, Portuguese national park, mysterious mapIt's Elementary by Elise BryantMystery romance, missing principal, elementary school politicsThe Hollywood Assistant by May CobbThriller, Hollywood, murder, famous family and their secretsSummer's End by Juneau BlackNext Shady Hollow bookDocile by Hyesseung SongMemoir about being a daughter of Korean immigrants, mental illness, subverting model minority mythDateable by Jessica Slice and Caroline CuppGuide to dating for disabled people

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On this episode of Latinos Out Loud, Rachel is living la vida loca out in Los Angeles and sits with actor and Groundlings alum, Josh Banday. You may recognize him from shows like Not Dead Yet, where he stars opposite Gina Rodriguez, or the Big Bang Theory or Upload. You may also remember him from the first time Rachel interviewed him on LOL! He's back and talks all about his amazing evolution, mental health and Dad life. These two students of sketch comedy go off on fun tangents galore, so don't blink, or you may miss a joke or two! Or three! LOL! Follow Josh @JoshBanday Follow Rachel @RachelLaLoca Follow the yellow brick road while you're at it :) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rainn sits down with comedian Rick Glassman (Take Your Shoes Off podcast, ABC's Not Dead Yet) to talk about God and spirituality's place in comedy. Rick also shares how the revelation of his adult diagnosis of autism shed light on his unique approach to communication, both on and offstage. They also talk about mental health, human connection, the art of comedy, and more.

Kate is joined by Chelsea Devantez, an Emmy-nominated writer, comedian, director, and host of the podcast Glamorous Trash, to discuss the best of celebrity memoirs. Before Chelsea entered into an overall television deal with 20th Century Fox, she was Jon Stewart's Head Writer for Apple TV+'s The Problem with Jon Stewart. Her other television credits include Not Dead Yet, Girls5Eva, and Bless this Mess, among others. In 2020, Chelsea wrote, directed, and starred in the 2020 SXSW film, Basic, and is set to direct her feature debut this fall. Chelsea's top chart performing independent podcast, “Glamorous Trash with Chelsea Devantez" has garnered over 3 million downloads. Her memoir I Shouldn't Be Telling You This will be published in June 2024 by Hanover Imprint at Harper Collins. Reality Life with Kate Casey Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/katecasey Twitter: https://twitter.com/katecasey Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/katecaseyca Tik Tok: http://www.tiktok.com/itskatecasey Cameo: https://cameo.com/katecasey Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/113157919338245 Amazon.com: www.amazon.com/shop/katecaseySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Episode Summary This week on Live Like the World is Dying, Margaret and Leah talk about disability, preparedness, and covid. Guest Info Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha (They/She) is a writer and structural engineer of disability and transformative justice work. Leah can be found at brownstargirl.org, on Instagram @leahlakshmiwrites, or on Bluesky @thellpsx.bsky.social Their book The Future is Disabled: Prophecies, Love Notes, and Mourning Songs can be found: https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-future-is-disabled-prophecies-love-notes-and-mourning-songs-leah-lakshmi-piepzna-samarasinha/18247280 Their book Care Work: Dreaming Disability Justice can be found: https://bookshop.org/p/books/care-work-dreaming-disability-justice-leah-lakshmi-piepzna-samarasinha/16603798 Host Info Margaret (she/they) can be found on twitter @magpiekilljoy or instagram at @margaretkilljoy. Publisher Info This show is published by Strangers in A Tangled Wilderness. 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Transcript Leah on Disability and Preparedness Resources Mentioned: StaceyTaughtUs Syllabus, by Alice Wong and Leah: https://disabilityvisibilityproject.com/2020/05/23/staceytaughtus-syllabus-work-by-stacey-milbern-park/ NoBody Is Disposable Coalition: https://nobodyisdisposable.org/ Power To Live Coalition: https://www.powertolivecoalition.org/ Disability Visibility Project article about Power to Live : https://disabilityvisibilityproject.com/2019/10/26/call-for-stories-powertolive/ Power to Live survival skillshare doc: http://tinyurl.com/dissurvival Long winter crip survival guide for pandemic year 4/forever by Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha and Tina “constant tt” Zavitsanos https://www.tinyurl.com/longwintersurvival Pod Mapping for Mutual Aid by Rebel Sydney Rose Fayola Black: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-QfMn1DE6ymhKZMpXN1LQvD6Sy_HSnnCK6gTO7ZLFrE/mobilebasic?fbclid=IwAR0ehOJdo-vYmJUrXsKCpQlCODEdQelzL9AE5UDXQ1bMgnHh2oAnqFs2B3k Half Assed Disabled Prepper Tips for Preparing for a Coronavirus Quarantine. (By Leah) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rIdpKgXeBHbmM3KpB5NfjEBue8YN1MbXhQ7zTOLmSyo/edit Sins Invalid Disability Justice is Climate Justice: https://www.sinsinvalid.org/news-1/2022/7/7/disability-justice-is-climate-justice Skin Tooth and Bone: The Basis of Movement is Our People (A disability justice primer): https://www.sinsinvalid.org/disability-justice-primer DJ Curriculum by Sins: https://www.sinsinvalid.org/curriculum Partnership for Inclusive Disaster Strategies: https://disasterstrategies.org/ Live Like the World is Dying: Leah on Disability & Preparedness **Margaret ** 00:15 Hello, and welcome to Live Like the World is Dying, your podcast for what feels like the end times. I'm your host, Margaret killjoy. And I always tell you that I'm excited about episodes, but I'm really excited about this episode. It put me in a better mood than when I started the day that I get to record this episode. Because today, we're going to be talking about disability and preparedness. We're gonna be talking about Covid abandonment. And we're gonna be talking about a lot of the questions that... a lot of the questions that people write us to talk about that they have about preparedness and I think that we can cover a lot of those. Not me, but our guest. But first before the guest, a jingle from another show on the network. Oh, the network is called Channel Zero Network. It is a network of anarchists podcasts and here's a jingle. [sings a simple melody] **Margaret ** 01:08 Okay, and we're back. So, if you could introduce yourself with your name, your pronouns, and then I guess just a little bit about how you got involved in thinking about and dealing with disability and preparedness. **Leah ** 02:00 Sure. Hi, my name is Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha. She and They pronouns. Right now I live in Pocomtuc and Nipmuc territories in Western Massachusetts. And that is a great question. I will also just plug myself briefly and be like I'm a disability justice and transformative justice old sea-hag, aging punk of color who has written or co-edited ten books and done a lot of shit. Okay, so when I was sitting on the toilet thinking about "What do I want to tell Margaret when we get on the show?", I was actually thinking that my disability and my preparedness routes are kind of one in the same because... So I'm 48 [years old] now and I got sick when I was 21-22. So like back in 96-97. And, it was the initial episode that I got sick with chronic fatigue, ME, and fibromyalgia. And I was just super fucking ill and on the floor and was living in Toronto as somebody who was not from Canada. And, you know, I was just sick as hell, like crawling to the bathroom, like sleeping 18 hours a day. The whole nine. And I'd been really really deeply involved in anarchist of color and prison abolitionist and antifascist organizing and lots of stuff. I had a community, but it was 1997, so most of my community was just like, "What you're sick? Why didn't you make it to the meeting? We have to write all the prisoners with the [untranslatable]." And I was just like, "I just.... Okay, great." Like it was a really different time. There was no GoFundMe, mutual aid, Meal Train, someone brought me some soup. Like, know you, we weren't really doing that. And people really did not have a consciousness around, "You can be a 22 year old brown, nonbinary femme and be really, really sick and be disabled." So something I think a lot, and I've said before, is that disabled people are really used to the concept that no one is going to save us and we are really not surprised when state systems abandoned us because we live in that all the time. And so I was just like this little 22 year old sicko weirdo who'd read my Octavia Butler--and, in fact, that was part of the reason why I was like, "Toronto, great, there's gonna be more water and less heat." Okay, wasn't totally right about that. But, you know, I mean, I really had to save myself and I kind of was like, "Alright, I don't have..." Like, I'm working off the...I'm working under the table. I have hardly any money. I'm gonna make my own herbal medicine. I'm gonna grow a lot of what I eat from my backyard. I'm going to store water. I'm going to run a credit card scam and get a lot of dried goods and live off of those for like a year. [Margaret Hell Yeahs] Yeah, stuff like that. I feel like from there, over the last, you know, 26 years like it's....like, that's the route. The route was, you know, similar to a lot of people, I think of my generation, we were like on the cusp of looking at the current crises of like hot fascist war, hot eugenics war, hot climate crisis, and being like, "It's coming," and I started being like, "Yeah, like don't...don't think that it's all going to work out okay and that somebody else is going to fix it for you." So, I would say that's where my initial route--and then do you want to jump in? Or can I jump ahead like 20 years or something? **Margaret ** 05:10 Honestly, you could jump ahead 20 years later. I'm gonna come back and make you talk more about Octavia Butler. But we'll do that later. **Leah ** 05:16 Let's talk more about Octavia Butler because I have a lot of stuff about Octavia Butler and how she thought of--and I think sometimes misused--like nowadays [this is probably not the word but it's untranslatable] and also about disability. [Margaret "Oooohs" curiously] I know. We can get to that. Okay, so that's one route. And then, you know, I mean, I was always kind of like a little weirdo, where it's like, yeah, I grow most of my own food--or as much as I can--and it's not a fun green hobby. It's like, I'm broke as fuck and I need to grow a lot vegetables that fucking, you know, I can mulch and that can stay growing into December, you know? I stashed stuff. Something I also think a lot, is that as disabled people--and we talked about this a little bit when we're emailing--I think we're always prepping whether we call it that or not. Like most disabled folks I know just do shit. Like if you get a prescription and you have extra, you store it, you know? Like, if you can get a double dose, you put that aside. And then maybe you have it for yourself. Or, there's so many disabled mutual aid networks I've been a part of where someone's--I mean, before Facebook clamped down, this is really common on a lot of Facebook disabled groups--someone would be like, "Yo, does anyone have an extra five pills of such and such?" and I've seen total strangers for 15 years of disability justice be like, "Yep, what's your address? I do. I'm gonna mail it to you. I have my old pain meds. I've got this. I've got that." But, um, yeah, like doing the jumping forward that I promised you, so for people who don't know, disability justice as a movement was founded around 2005 by a group, a small group of disabled Black, Asian, and poor and working class, white disabled folks, who were all pretty, you know, gay, trans, and radical. And they were like, "We want to bring a revolutionary intersectional out of our own lives and experiences and issues. We want to create a disability movement that's for us and by us that's not just white, single issue, often cis, often male, often straight." Like, we want to talk about the fact that 50% of bipoc folks who were killed by the cops are also disabled, deaf, neurodivergent, etc... just to give one example. So, you know, that was '05 in Oakland, you know, Patti Burn, LeRoy Moore, Stacy Milbern, Ely Claire, Sebastian Margaret, Stacey Milbern Park, you know, the six. And I was living in Toronto and I moved to Oakland in '07 and I was kind of around for some of the beginnings of it. There's two stories I want to bring in. One actually predates my move. It was right when I was getting ready to leave Toronto, I got invited to go to this reading by a bunch of queer--I think all white--disabled radical folks. And I was just like, "Oh?" And I did the whole, like, "Am I really disabled enough?" and then it was like, "Oh, it's gonna be really depressing." And then it was really awesome. And I was like, "Whoa, disability community. Life saving." But it was kind of one of my moments of being brought into the disability community because there was this writer who was there who, their reading series was actually a choose your own adventure where there's four disabled, queer, and trans folks who are having a sex party and the zombie apocalypse happens. And then they have to figure out how to survive it without abandoning each other. And it was all like, "Okay, you all get to the van, but then there's no ramp. What do you do? Oh! You get this accessible ramp, but it smells like perfume and somebody has NCS. What do you do? And I was just sitting there with my mouth open--and it was also interwoven with like, 'Yeah, and then somebody's fucking somebody else with like, you know, a dildo strapped to their prosthetic,'" and I was like, wow, I fucking love disability. Like, sign me up. But I gotta say briefly, that was one of my first examples of like, you know, there's a really important phrase in Disability Justice, which is, "No one left behind, " right? Like, that's one of the core organizing principles. And that was kind of.... Before I even heard that phrase, I was like, "Fuck like this is..."--because I'd been around antiauthoritarian, quasi prepper, like "shit's gonna happen, we have to get ready." But I was always kind of quiet in the corner closeting my disability being like, "Well, shit, like, what if I don't have my meds? Or what if I'm too.... What if I can't run away from, you know, the Nazis or the zombies because I have a limp and I walk with a cane? Like, what if?" And that was my first example of this cross disability fantasy space of like, "We're going to escape together and we're not going to let anyone get eaten and it's going to mean really being creative about access stuff." Okay so jump ahead to, right, then I moved to Oakland and then I ran into actual Disability Justice community through Sins Invalid, which is an incredibly important foundational Disability Justice group, and through a lot of friendships I started making with other QTBIPOC disabled folks and my really, really good friend Stacy Park Milbern, who, people should totally know her work. She's incredible. She was one of the best movement organizers that the movement has ever seen. And we met online. And she was living in Fort Bragg, North Carolina with her family on the base because her family's military. And she was a queer southern, working-class, Korean and white, you know, physically disabled organizer from when she was really young. And then she was like, "Okay, I love my family, but I'm literally hiding my gay books in the wall because my mom's Pentecostal." So, yeah, and she's like--I literally realized she tells the story a lot--she's like, "Yeah, like, I realized I hadn't really left the house for a couple months and like, this is gonna be it," and she's like, "I was literally watching Oprah. And Oprah said, 'No one's coming to save you.'" And she was like, okay. She's 21 years old. And then through online, disabled, queer of color community there was this--or she organized--this initiative called To the Other Side of Dreaming where she moved crosscountry with Mia Mingus, who's another queer Korean organizer who was a friend of hers, ad moved to the Bay Area. And so that was around 2010-2011. And then in 2011, what happens but the Fukushima nuclear accident, right, disaster? And we're all on the West Coast--and it's completely ridiculous bullshit, looking back on it now--but all of these Bay Area folks were like, "Oh my God! Radiation!" And some people pointed out, "Look, you know, we're not.... There's...it's a big ocean. The people who really have to worry are in Japan and areas around it, so whatever?" But it was one of those times where we were like, fuck, this is a really big nuclear accident and we are sort of close and it's making us think about disaster. And I remember just going to fucking Berkeley Bowl, which is this big, fancy, organic supermarket and people had bought out all of the burdock all the fucking seaweed. And I was like, "Oh, my God, these people." But out of that, Stacy started having conver--and I and other people who were in our organizing network of disabled, majority BIPOC--were like, "What are we going to as disabled BIPOC if there is an earthquake, fascism, like another big disaster? And Stacy said, really bluntly, she's like, "You know," and she was a power wheelchair user. She used a ventilator. You know, she's like, "Yeah, I am supported by electricity and battery dependent access equipment." And she's like, "Well, I'm going to be really honest, my plan has always been, if something happens, I'm just going to lay down in my bed and die, because I don't think that any emergency services are going to come save me and the power is going to run out in 48 hours. And then we were like, "Okay, that's super real. What if, through our amazing collective access stuff we're doing, we could figure out something else?" And we had this meeting at Arismendy bakery, which for folks who know, is like a worker owned co-op chain, Our friend Remedios worked there. It's wheelchair accessible. We met there after hours. And it was just like, 12-15 of us who started just sitting there and being like, "What are the resources we have? What are the needs we have? And we made this map, which I still have, which I think I shared with you, which is just like, "Apocalypse, South Berkeley/Oakland Map 2011," where we were like, "Okay, you know, when the power goes down, the communication goes down. We're gonna meet at this one traffic circle because people who are wheelchair users can roll up. And we're gonna bury note paper in a mason jar with pens and we're gonna leave notes for each other. But we're also going to agree to meet there the day after at noon." And I was like, okay, my collective house, the first floor is wheelchair accessible. We have solar, we have a landline. And we have a lot of space. So like, let's meet there. And then someone was like, "We've got the one accessible van. And we know, it's only supposed to fit 4 people, but we can fit like 12 in there." And we started.... Like, I just think about that a lot because it's, I think it was a really important moment where it was important...the stuff that we did like that--you know, the actual strategies and the resources we started talking about--but it was also that it was the first time in my life that I was like, "Okay, we're not--not only are we not going to just die alone in our beds, I'm also not going to be the one person who survives. Like, I can actually survive with, and because of, other people. And we're all disabled BIPOC with a couple of disabled white folks. And we can actually collectively strategize around that. And this will be my last leap forward, because I see that you're like, "I want to ask you stuff." So, you know, eight years go by, and in that time we all do an incredible amount of Disability Justice organizing and strategizing. And, you know, in 2019.... And a lot of it started to be around climate disaster on the West Coast. Like, I moved to Seattle in 2015. The wildfires started being really bad a year or two later. A lot of us were involved in mask distributions, just spreading information about smoke safety and survival. And then 2019 was the infamous year where the wildfires came back and Pacific Gas and Electric, in all of its fucking glory, which is the main--for people who don't know--it's the main utility electrical company in Northern California. They announced two days before wildfires were going to really impact the Bay, they were like, "Oh, so we've decided that our strategy is going to be that we're just going to shut down all the power in Northern California. **Margaret ** 14:52 No one uses that. [Sardonically] **Leah ** 14:53 No one uses that. And they're like, "Oh, if you have a medical need, call this number, and we'll make sure to leave it on at your house." and Stacey was, "Okay." She had just bought her house, the Disability Justice Culture Club in East Oakland, you know, which was her house but also a community center, de facto community center, that housed a lot of disabled folks of color. And she was like, "I was on the fucking phone for eight hours. Like, I never got through." And she and some comrades started this campaign called Power to Live where they were like.... It started out as, "Okay, we can't save everybody, but we're not going to just lay down and die. What do we do?" So it started out as like, okay, let's identify who has housing that still has power. There's some people in Richmond, there's some people in this neighborhood, but then it also developed into this thing where it was just this amazing crowdsource survivalist resource where it was everything from, she's like, "Here's a number. Here's an email. If you need something, text us, call us, email us. We have a team of eight people. We'll figure it out. If you have something to offer, do it too." And then some of it was that people were sharing everything from generator information, to generator shares, to people in different areas-- like I was in Seattle and we were like, "Okay, we will mail you generators and air purifiers, because it's obviously all sold out in the Bay, but we can get it here and get it to you." The thing that always stands out to me is people being like, "Oh, yeah, here's how you can use dry ice and clay pots to keep your insulin cold if refrigeration goes down." And there's a lot more I could say about that action and how amazing it was. But for me, when I think about the through line, I'm like, that moment in 2011, when we all got together, and were like, "What do we do?" we were prepping for what we couldn't fully predict, you know, the exact manifestation of eight years later. We're there and we're like, "Okay, there's wildfires, there's smoke, there's no fucking power, and we've not only built our organizing base, we built our relationships with each other so that we can actually trust each other and more or less know how to work together when this shit actually is hitting the fan to create something that's really life giving. Okay, I'll shut up. That was a lot. **Margaret ** 16:52 Now I have so many questions about all of it. **Leah ** 16:53 Yeah, ask me all the questions. **Margaret ** 16:55 Because there's a couple...there's a couple of questions and/or feedback that we get with Live Like, the World is Dying a lot. And some of them are very specifically disability related, and you covered most of them, but I want to highlight some of them. Like a lot of people write and are like, "Well, I rely on the following thing that is provided by civilization. So my plan is to lay down and die." Right? This is a--and I know you've kind of answered it--but I.... I want to ask more. Okay, I'll go through all the things. Okay. So to talk more about what "No One Left Behind," means? And then the other thing that really stands out to me is that, you know, when we were talking, when we were talking about what we were going to talk about on this on this episode, I was saying, okay, we can talk about, you know, making sure that preparedness is inclusive and open and includes disabled folks, or whatever, and you pointed out, really usefully, the, the necessity to reframe it. And I think that the story you just gave is a really beautiful example of this, where it's less about, like, "Hey, make sure to pay attention to the people who need canes," you know, or whatever, right? Like, you know, "make sure you keep track of folks based on disability." And more than like the thing you just described, is the thing that we're always trying to push, which is that you need to make a list of all the resources and needs within your community and then figure out how to meet those needs and instead of assuming that we can't meet those needs, figuring out how to actually do it. And so I love that it's actually like.... It's actually disability justice movements that we should be learning from, I mean, or participating in, depending on our level of ability, or whatever, but I just find that I find both of those things really interesting. And so I wonder if you have more that you want to say about alternatives to laying down and dying, and specifically, to tie into the other thing that I get asked the most or that I get the common feedback is--because we talk a lot about the importance of community for preparedness on this show--a lot of people don't feel like they have community and a lot of people write to be like, "I don't have any friends," or "I don't know any other people like me," or, you know. And so, I guess that's my main question is how do.... [Trails off] Yeah, how do? **Leah ** 19:22 So how do you make community when you don't have community? Alternatives to lying down and dying? And was there a third one in there? **Margaret ** 19:28 I was just highlighting how cool it is that y'all sat there and made a list of resources and needs, which is exactly what.... Instead of deciding things are impossible, just being like, "Well, let's just start doing them." You know? **Leah ** 19:40 And I think.... Okay, so I'll start there. Like I think that like.... You know, Corbit O'Toole, who's like a, you know, Disability Rights Movement veteran and like older Irish, disabled dyke, you know, in Crip Camp, the movie, she's like, "Disabled people live all the time with the knowledge that the society wants thinks we're better off dead," right? Like one...back in the day, you know, there's a--I think they're still active--one of the big Disability Rights direct action organizations was called Not Dead Yet, right? [Margaret Hell Yeahs] I think this is the thing is like I think that sometimes abled people or neurotypical people are not used to sitting down and making the list. And I think that even if disabled people aren't preppers, we're used to being like, "Okay, what do I need? Fuck, I need somebody to help me do my dishes. Oh, I can't bend over. I need to figure out what is the access tool that will allow me to pick up something from the floor when my that goes out? Like, if my attendant doesn't show up, can I have a..." You know, like, my friends always like, "Yeah, I've got a yogurt container by the bed in case my attendant doesn't show up so I can not piss the bed. I can lean over and piss in the yogurt container." Like there's a--and I think that.... God, I mean, there's been so many times over the years where I've done or been a part of doing like Disability Justice 101 and me and Stacy would always talk about crip wisdom and crip innovation and people will just look blank like "What are you talking about? You guys are just a bunch of sad orphans at the telethon." It's not just about making the list, it's also about how disabled disability forces you to be innovative. Like, Stacy would always share this story where she's like, "Yeah," like, she's like "Crip innovation is everything from," she's like, "I save a lot of time sometimes by pretending I can't talk when people come over and want to pray over me. You know, I just act like a mute and they fucking leave and they go on with their life," and she's like, "You know, I realized one day, if I took my sneakers off, I could ramp a step if it's just two steps. I could just put them there and I could roll up." Or I mean, there's a million examples.... Or like, because I think it's about prepping and about making the lists and it's also about whatever you prep for, there's always going to be the X Factor of "Oh, we didn't fucking expect that." And I think that's where a lot of prep falls apart is people have their "Dream Bunker." They're like, "Oh, okay, I know exactly what the threats are going to be." And then of course, it doesn't fucking happen that way. I really hope I can swear on your show. **Margaret ** 21:46 You can. Don't worry. **Leah ** 21:47 Great. So, I mean, one example I could give is I'm remembering at, you know, a Sins show when we were in rehearsal, where everyone drove over from Oakland in Patty's wheelchair accessible van, and then the ramp broken wouldn't unfold. So we just were like, alright, who do we know who has welding equipment? Who do we know has lumber? Like, I think we ended up going to a bike repair shop and then they had tools. And then we're like, okay, we'll just bring the rehearsal into the van and do it that way. Like, you have to be innovative. And that's a muscle that I think society doesn't teach you to flex and that often, I think that even people who.... I think there can be a lot of eugenics in prep, you know, whether people are overtly fascist or not, there's a real belief of like, "Oh, only the strong and smart," --which looks a certain way-- "survive," and that "We should use rational thinking to make it all work out." And I think a lot of crip intelligence or wisdom is actually knowing that shit can go sideways 48 different ways and you have to adapt. And you have to just kind of be like, "Well, let's try this." So I think that's one thing. And I think, you know, one thing I'll say is, yeah, just speaking to kind of the reframing we were talking about, I think it's less like, "Oh, remember the people with canes," but, I mean, that's good, but also knowing that we're already doing it and that abled people actually have a shit ton to learn from us. But also, I mean, something.... I mean, the title of my last book is "The Future is Disabled," and it comes from something--it's not unique thinking to me--it's something that a lot of disabled people have been thinking and saying throughout the pandemic is that we were already at like a 30% disabled world minimum and we're pretty close--we're probably at majority disabled right now. Because what, 2% of the world didn't get Covid? Like, how many people have Long Covid? How many people have complex PTSD? We're all sick, crazy, and, you know, needing access equipment. Disability is not out there. It's in here. Like there's no such thing as doing prep that's like, "Oh, only the three Uber Mensch are gonna survive." Like fuck that. And that actually--I mean, sorry, this might be a side note, but a lot of people have probably seen The Last of Us. And I'm just gonna SPOILER ALERT it. You know that famous episode three of those two gay bear preppers in love? Yeah, I loved a lot about it. I was so pissed at the ending, which I'm just going to spoil. So you know, the more artsy, non-prep guy....[interrupted] **Margaret ** 21:47 Yeah, they don't survive. **Leah ** 22:47 Well, no, but like, not only did they not survive but one of them gets chronically ill. And I was just like, grinding my teeth because it's like, "Oh, he's in a wheelchair. Oh, his hand tremors." And then they end up deciding to both kill themselves rather than do anything else. And I was so furious at it because I was like, these are two people who are so innovative. They have figured out all kinds of problem solving. They have an entire small city for themselves. And it's all like, "Oh, no, he can't get up the stairs." And I'm like, really? There was no accessible ranch house you couldn't of fucking moved to? **Margaret ** 24:38 Or like build a bedroom on the fucking ground floor. **Leah ** 24:40 Or youcouldn't get meds? You couldn't? I mean, when his hand was shaking, it was like, "Oh, it's so sad. He's being fed." I'm like, there's tons.... First of all, it doesn't suck to be fed. A lot of things that seem like a fate worse than death are not when you're in them. And also, there's like all kinds of adaptive utensils that they could have fucking raided from medical supply if he wants to feed himself. Or I'm sorry, there's no cans of Ensure? They absolutely have power. They couldn't have made smoothies? Like, what the fuck is this? But beyond that--and I think that a lot of people who have talked about that episode did, I think, have some good analysis of it where, you know, the whole way they set up their prep was they were like, "Oh, it's just the two of us," and the one super prepper guy was like, "I don't even want friends to come over." And the other guy was like, "Hey, actually, we need to make alliances because there's things they have that we don't. And we also need more than just the two of us because I love you, but I'm gonna kill you." And I think that's something to think about is really moving away from the idea that just your little you know, the utopic queer rural community that so many fucking city queers fantasize about or, you know, lover are going to be enough, because it's not. So that actually leads me to, "I don't have community. Where the fuck do I get it?" And I'm like, yeah, that's super real. Right? And I think it's something I actually wrote about in "The Future is Disabled" is that I have people be like--when I write about different crip communities, just even when I talk about stuff on Facebook.... Like my friend, Graham Bach, it's going to be his second year death anniversary in like two weeks, and he was like, you know, white, psychiatric survivor, super poor, amazing sweetheart of a human being, he died.... I mean, he died in his, you know, rent to your income apartment because he was really afraid to go to the hospital and he had cardiac stuff going on. And he was an anarchist, he was amazing, kind, complicated human being. And, I was writing about, like.... I'm going to tell the story and there's a couple things I want to pull out of it. So I was writing about meeting Graham when I was in my early 20s through radical Mad people community, and somebody was reading it and was like "That sounds so great." And I was like, "Yeah, it wasn't utopic. Like, I had to yell back at Graham because he would scream at me and I'd be like, "Shut the fuck up!" Like, there was so many fights. There was so much racism. There were so many older white cis dudes who had electroshock who were jerky or gross, you know? And I guess that was the thing is, I was like, they're like, "Well, how did you find each other?" And I was like, it wasn't perfect. Also, it was very analog working class. Like my friend Lilith Finkler, who is an amazing Moroccan, Jewish, working-class queer femme psych survivor, she would just go to the donut shop where everybody poor hung out and would talk to everybody who wass there who wass crazy who no one wanted to talk to and be like, "Hey, do you want to come hang out at this meeting at the fucking legal clinic? We have a room. We have a snack plate. I'll give you tokens. Let's organize." So I think that's the first thing is that it's not--and I don't mean this in a finger-wagging way--it's not automatic. And also, one of the really big ways that community is often ableist, and that a lot of us get cut out from it, is that a lot of us who need it the most are not particularly easy to love in ableist neurotypical worldview. It's like we're cranky, we're wounded, we're in a bad mood, we're weird. So a lot of the time, I think it's thinking about, first of all, what's one step, one move you can take towards it. Like, can you make one fucking acquaintance and build it. And really think about what it would mean to build some kind of relationship. I think the other thing that I really want to highlight is that a lot of the communities that I see that keep each other alive, that I'm lucky to have been a part of making and being supported by in disabled community, they're not static and they're not perfect. Like, I have networks with people who piss me the fuck off and who, you know, I've sent 20 bucks to people who I'm just like, "I really don't like you, but I can see that you really don't have food," you know, and we're not going to be friends and we're not going to like each other, but I don't want you to die. And that's not...I mean, it's bigger.... There's also people who I'm like, "Okay, you're my ex-abuser. I'm not gonna give you $5. Someone else can give you $5. **Margaret ** 28:42 There's this person who puts a lot of their effort into talking shit on me on the internet and I...they're also broke and have a lot of chronic health issues and I send them money every month. And every now and then I'm like, could this like...could you stop talking shit now? **Leah ** 29:03 I think this is the thing sometimes is like, hey, how about this is the deal, like maybe just say "Thank you," or maybe just talk shit even like 20% less? Because you know, I'm really doing we keep us safe here. I just really want a "thank you." **Margaret ** 29:16 I don't want you to die. Like, I don't want you to starve to death, but I really wish you would be a little bit more open minded to people having different opinions on yours. **Leah ** 29:26 Oh yeah, nuance, right? Yeah, it'd be fucking nice. **Margaret ** 29:29 God forbid. Anyway. **Leah ** 29:31 No, it's good. I guess my TLDR would be to start where you are and start with "what's one thing you can do? What's one person you can reach out to?" And I think, you know, I don't know if this is true for everyone who reaches out to you and it's like, "Well, I don't have anybody," but I think that social media and online connectivity is a real double-edged sword because for some of us who are isolated, it can create both online communities that can sometimes become in-real-life community and, either way, can be sources of some community or support. But I think.... I mean, you know, I'm a Generation X'er and I've just seen social media get more and more chokehold and just turn into fucking the panopticon meets a mall, you know? [Margaret laughs] And I think it's hard because 12 years ago I was part of really early online disabled spaces, which were great because so many people were like, "Well, I'm so isolated in my small town or in my city," or "I can't leave bed, but this is great. I'm meeting with other people and we're building these connections and it's actually more accessible for me to be real about my stuff from like my bed with a heating pad." And now I just think it's so chokeholded that it's hard for us to find each other. So it's much more common for people to be like, "Wow, I'm seeing all these people who have millions of followers and a shiny brand and I just feel like even more of an isolated loser." And then at the same time, I think people are like, "Well, how did people meet each other before this?" And I was like, "Yeah, like, you go to the coffee shop or the donut shop. You put up a flier. You go to the library. You like, I don't know. I mean, I just remember people I met on the food stamps line, you know, when we got there at six in the morning. And not everything's gonna stick, but maybe something sticks. And I also think about like, I'm going back to 13 years ago in early Disability Justice community spaces where--I mean, I think back to [untranslatable] when I went back to Toronto--which, yeah, big city--but I remember I had so many people come to me and be like, "You're..."--because I was starting to be more out about disability, cuz I was like, "I'm in the Bay and there's these wild people who talk about it and they're not all white people." and so I have so many, especially Black and brown disabled femmes be like, "Hi, you don't really know me, but I have fibromyalgia too," or "I have Lupus too. And like, no one I know talks about that. How do you do it?" And I'm specifically thinking about this time that this person I'm no longer in touch with--but we used to be friends--who's like, you know, queer, brown nonbinary person was like, "Let's just have a meet up of other chronically ill femmes of color," which is how we were identifying a time, and it was four of us, four heating pads, a bottle of Advil, and just very tentatively starting to share things about our lives. And I was like, "Yeah, that was four people." But a lot of that hang out then rippled outward. And it was like, I think it's also important to be like, it's scary to build community. Some tools I want to shut out like, so Mia Mingus, who I mentioned before, she has a lot of really great writing on her blog Leaving Evidence and she created this tool a long time ago now--that some people might be familiar with but for folks who aren't--it's, you know, it's her tool that she calls Pod Mapping. And she actually created it as part of a collective she founded called the Bay Area Transformative Justice Collective that was working on doing transformative justice interventions into intimate violence, specifically childhood sexual abuse a lot of the time, and she had this framework that I find really helpful. She's like, "A lot of..." she was talking about in community accountability, transformative justice spaces and she made a really good point where she's like, "Sometimes we talk about like, 'Yeah, bring in the community. Like, everyone has a community.'" And she's like, "Most people don't have a fucking community, let alone one that can interview in childhood sexual abuse." So she created this tool where she's like, "Let's broaden the idea of what community is." Like, maybe it's that one cousin, that you only talk to once a year, but you could call them in a jam, or it's this hotline, or it is like, yeah, they're a weird church, but you really like their food banks. She's like, "You have to really bring in.... Like, start where you are and do the resource mapping we were talking about" I really liked that tool a lot as a place for people who are like, "What's my community?" because I think it's a big word and really being like, "What does that even mean to me?" and like, "What's one place that can start building it?" And I also want to shout out, Rebel Sydney Black, who's a friend of mine who passed this June, at the beginning of the pandemic, he created this tool called Pod Mapping for Mutual Aid that was specifically aimed at disabled folks who were trying to pod map during Covid--and we can provide the link and stuff like that--but I would say that those are two places to start and then I want to get to alternatives to lying down and dying. And then I'll stop. **Margaret ** 34:04 Okay, wait, wait, before we get to that I want to talk more about the building community thing. **Leah ** 34:08 Yeah, please. **Margaret ** 34:09 I think you brought up a lot of really interesting points. And one of the things that I really like about it, you know, talking about having like...you're broadening the idea of what counts as community, which I think is really useful. And one of the things I realized is that a lot of times when I was younger, I was like, "Y'all say 'community' and you just mean the people that you like," right? And that didn't make any sense to me. Community seems like the people where you have a shared interest, whether the shared interest is you live on the same block, or whether the shared interest is an identity, or whether the shared interest is an interest that you're trying to see change, or whatever. It doesn't mean people you like. It's a different thing. Friends are the people I like, right? Well, mostly. I'm just kidding. I love all of you. I mean, there's a lot of people I love that I don't always like. Anyway, so I don't know, and so I think that one of the things that stuck out with me about what you're gonna say and I want to highlight is the idea that--or maybe I'm misreading it--but like "pick issue to work" around seems like a good useful way. Especially if you struggle to just have friends, right? That's not like the thing that you're good at. But maybe there's a thing that you want to work on? Or having that meetup where it's like, oh, all the following people who have the following things in common, let's meet up and talk about it. Or honestly, activism is a really good way to meet people and work closely with people about things. And it doesn't necessarily have to mean these are now your friends. But they can be people where you rely on each other. And that doesn't have to be the same. I think about it a lot because I live in a fairly isolated and rural environment where there's not a lot of people around me who are culturally.... Whatever, there's not a lot of out, queer people where I live. There's not a lot of punks. And I'm like, that's okay. I talk to my actual neighbors instead. I mean, some of them, not all of them, but most of them, you know, they're who I would rely on in a crisis, because they're right there. It doesn't mean that we have the same ideas about a lot of stuff, you know? But we have similar ideas, like, "Let's not die," right? And so that's enough sometimes. Anyway, I just wanted to.... **Leah ** 36:12 No, I really appreciate it. And I mean that makes me kind of think about, when you were talking, I was like, yeah, you know, there's friends, there's communities, and then there's survival networks, which can include contacts, right? Because I just think about what would I do right now, if some should happened? And I was like, I've got long distance kin and long term friendships and relationships ofvarious kinds and I also have--because I moved to where I live, which is like semi-rural, but definitely more rural than where I've lived before--and I'm just like, yeah, I have a small number of friends. But there's like people who I know who I can...who are neighbors who like, maybe we don't know a shit ton about each other but I could be like, "Hey, this thing?" or "Hey, do you have water?" or, "Hey, let's do this." I think it's a lot about thinking about what are your goals? Is your goal intimacy? Is your goal survival? Is your goal friendship? Because you need different levels of trust and commonality depending on those things, right? I also think, and this is the thing too, I think something.... I think a lot of times because I've had people be like, "Well, I don't have community," also, I've heard that. And I think that a lot of times the context, I hear it in is people being like, "Well, I have care needs, but I don't have any community." So then there's also the really big thorny question of "need" and like being cared for is actually very complicated. It's very risky. It's very vulnerable. It's not safe a lot of the time. It may feel a lot easier to just be like, "I don't have any fucking needs." And so there's a lot, I will just say that there's a lot of unpacking that needs to do around like, "What would I need to be cared for? What are my lower risk needs that I need help with? What are my higher risk needs?" right? Like, there's people who I can.... There's some needs I have where I'm like, I don't need to trust you super, super deep politically or on an intimate level to let you do that. There are certain needs where I'm like, that's only going to be people where we've really built a lot of fucking trust because if this goes sideways you could really stuck with me. Right? And I think that when you're starting from nowhere, I think often where people get stuck is like, "Where I am feels like I have nobody and nothing. And I want to get to like the thing I've read about in your topic science fiction, where you know, it's Star Hawk and everybody loves each other. And how the fuck do I get from A to B." And I think the solution is like, yeah, you're not gonna get to fucking "Fifth Sacred Thing" right away--and that book is complicated. **Margaret ** 38:29 Yeah, It was very influential on my early.... **Leah ** 38:31 Oh yeah, when I was 18, I just wanted to fucking move there. And now I'm like, "Oh God, this is embarrassing. There's some shit in here." I'm like, "Wow, everybody's mixed race, but everyone's Black parents are dead." Wow. Cool. Nobody really thinks about race. I'm like, I'm gonna throw up. And like, you know, BDSM is just violent....Okay, sorry. We're not going to get into that. **Margaret ** 38:47 Oh my God, I don't remember that part. **Leah ** 38:49 Oh, yeah. No, where it's so violent. Like, "We're just loving." And I wrote a really no passion paper for school, because we actually had to read it in a college class I was in, and I was like, "Why are they not into leather sexuality?" And my professor was like, "Okay, 18 year old..." but yeah. **Margaret ** 39:04 I mean, legit. You 18 year old self had a legitimate critique. **Margaret ** 39:08 Yeah. **Leah ** 39:08 Yeah, no, there's a lot there. But, um, but jumping back, I guess it's just like, you know.... And I think this feels like disabled wisdom too, it's like, what can you do with the spoons or the capacity you have? Like, what's one move you can make that small? And then can you build on that? Yeah, but can I talk about alternatives to lying down and dying? **Leah ** 39:28 Yeah. Well, I think...I mean, this is the thing, is like, I'm a survivalist, but I'm not like anti-civilization in the ways that some people are. Like, I want meds, you know? And I think that's something that other crips I know talk about a lot, which is like, you know, we're really against this way that some people, including some people who would like align themselves with like Healing Justice who are like "We're like, oh, yeah, we just have to go back before colonialism and capitalism, and just everyone lived on herbs and it was great." and I was like, "Nah, bitch, I need surgery and meds." Like I want it all. Like, I love non-Western pre-colonial traditional healing. Absolutely. And I've had friends who died because they didn't get their surgeries on time. Like my friend LL died because nobody would give him a fucking kidney because they said he was too fat. And I'm just like, my good future involves.... I mean, and he's one of millions right? So like, my good future involves that we have surgical suites. And I'm just like, you know, honestly, also, a lot of times that worldview just seems so white to me, because I'm just like, listen, a lot of like, global south places figure out how to have field hospitals, right, in really dire and low-resource situations. So I'm sorry.... **Margaret ** 40:40 I mean, only Europoe's ever figured out surgery. No one else has done surgery until Europe showed up. [Said sarcastically implying the opposite] **Leah ** 40:45 Yeah, not fucking ever. [Also said sarcastically] **Margaret ** 40:46 Said the people who are like, "bite down stick and I'll saw your arm off." **Leah ** 40:49 Yeah, so I mean, I guess one thing I would just say is like, I would say that and I would say like, you know, really...I want to like lift up and encourage people to look at--and they can be hard to find--but look at cultures, look at organizing initiatives where people were like, "We can have our own ambulance, we can have our own like..." And when that's not there, to think about what it would mean to have medical care after the apocalypse, right? What would it mean to make hormones, make drugs, synthesize chemicals, and it's not impossible. I think that we're still in the in between of like, okay, we gotta figure out how to do that. But, um, you know, I'm thinking about, Ejeris Dixon, who's my friend and comrade, and, you know, we co-edited "Beyond Survival" together, which is a book we wrote that came out right at the beginning of the pandemic about stories and strategies from how people are actually trying to create safety without the cops. Ejeris always talks about how they were like, "Yeah, like, in Louisiana, you know, in the South, you know, like in the 50s, and 60s, and before I believe, there were all kinds of Black run ambulance and 911 services," because regular 911 wouldn't come to Black communities. Right? And they, I mean, something that I've heard them say a lot over the years is like, "We don't have the people's ambulance yet. But we could." And then it makes me also jump to some friends of mine who were in Seattle who were really active as street medic crew during the rebellions after George George Floyd was murdered by the police in, you know, 2020 in the summer, and specifically in, as some people remember, Seattle managed to have 16 square blocks break off from the city for a while, CHOP, Capitol Hill Organized Front. And so what people don't know is that the cops were like, "Okay, fuck you. We're not going to...If there's any 911 ambulance calls, we're not going to fucking let anyone go in there." So the street medic crew had to deal with a lot of really intense situations. And then after that, like a lot of us folks, like some folks were already nurses or EMTs and a lot of folks who were involved went to nursing school or EMT school and we're like--and I don't know where it's at now--but they were like, "We want to create,"--because right now in Seattle, there's, if somebody is having a crisis on the street, like a medical or a mental health crisis or an altered state crisis, there's no non-911 crisis response that you can call. There's either you go down the stairs to talk to somebody or there's the cops, right. And they were like, "We can get a van. We can get medical equipment from eBay." And you know, I don't know where they're at with that, but they were really organizing around like, "Yeah, we could get a defibrillator. We could get oxygen. We could get blood pressure cuffs. We could get fucking..." you know? And I think that that shit gets complicated in terms of insurance and regulation and the State and the medical industrial complex, but I want us to keep thinking about that. I also, and then I'll wrap up because we have other questions to get to, but it also makes me think about, I mean, I don't know if folks are familiar with Gretchen Felker Martin's amazing science fiction book "Manhunt," right, which is about.... **Margaret ** 43:50 I haven't read it yet. **Leah ** 43:52 It's so fucking good. Okay, so I won't give it away. But just for people who don't know, I'd say it's the one kind of gender sci-fi book where "Oh, a virus, you know, affects people with certain chromosomes or certain that dih-dah-dug that's not TERFy because it's a book that, you know, she's trans, and it's a book that centers trans women and nonbinary communities and there's like one or two trans masculine characters. But the two main trans femme, like trans women characters in the book, they're like, they have to, they're like, "Yeah, like, we're going on raids to get, you know, hormones, and, you know, different, like chemical drugs we need. And we're also figuring out how to synthesize them from herbs and different substances." And it's not easy. It's a struggle. But there are organized communities of trans women and allies that are fighting to do it. And I'm just like, yeah, and I mean, it's an amazingly well written book, and she's incredible, and I fucking loved it. And it's just beautifully written and really just--sorry, I won't gush too much but go read it, it's incredible--I just really also appreciated it because she was like, "Yeah, of course we're gonna get our hormones after the end of the world. Like of course it's possible." And I will also.... I have some criticisms of the ableism in it, but M.E. O'Brien and--fuck I'm forgetting the second author's name, but every you know, "Everything For Everyone," that book. I appreciated how in the good future society, they're like, "Our priority is making sure that insulin and chemical drugs and hormones are accessible and free to everybody." And I was like, I guess I would just push people towards there are ways of imagining the future where we can defeat capitalism but still have medical care of all kinds. We can have Reiki and acupuncture and we can also hormone surgery and transplants. And we might be doing it better because it's not controlled by fucking corporations and assholes. Sorry, that's my soapbox. Um, okay. I will say in terms of people being like, "That's really nice. But what about me?" I would be like, you know, I mean, right now in the war on trans America, there are so many people already who are like, "Yeah, I'm stockpiling meds. I like doing meds trading." I would say it goes back to what we started about, which is like, "Okay, what are your needs? What are the things that you're worried will not be there if the world ends?" Right? And we also need to recognize that the world's already ending and it's ended for some of us a bunch of times already. But I would be like, make that list and then really be like, "Alright, how do I get it?" You know, and if I can't specifically get it, are there like backups that I can get? And it may be stuff that you can research on your own. It also might be stuff where it's like, "Okay, are there trans [untranslatable], disability justice organizations, nationally, globally, locally, that you can hit up and be like, "What are folks thoughts about this? Are there ways that we can resource share?" Because I think it's about pills. I think it's also about durable medical equipment. So in terms of stuff that requires power to live, I think about generators and I think about generator shares. And I think about things like...there's a story when Hurricane Sandy hit New York 10 years ago, there were a whole bunch of us where...there's a guy Nick who's in community who, physically disabled guy, 13th floor, accessible apartment, you know, the lights went out, you know, really dependent on electricity to change out the batteries on his ventilator. There's a whole crew of disabled folks, like people walked up and down those fucking stairs every eight hours to take the spent batteries, figured out, "Hey, you know, what still has power, the fucking fire department." People were walking down recharging the batteries every eight hours. And it was allies, it was ambulatory, it was disabled people who could walk. It was fucking hard. But people were like, we're not.... Nick and his friends were like, "We're not just going to die. We're needed." So I wanna shoutout that and just for possibility modeling, I really want to, one other place I want to shout out, is an org that used to be known as Portlight but was now known as the Center for Inclusive Disaster Strategies, which is a disabled-led organization that is about like, yeah, when there's a climate or other disaster, they figure out ways of getting like accessible fucking evacuation methods to places because they know...we know, there's millions of examples of people who are just left to die in nursing homes or like, "Oops, the bus doesn't have a ramp," or, you know, I really want to name that during Katrina, some people might know about, you know, the situation with the nursing home that was there were a lot of folks who were wheelchair users or had high care needs were fucking killed by medical staff because the medical staff were like, "We're gonna actually euthanize these folks without their knowledge or consent." [Margaret exclaims] Yeah, no, there was actually a movie on HBO about it I think semi recently. Because "that's easier than figuring out how to fucking get people in the medivac ," right? Yeah, and so the Partnership for Inclusive Disaster Strategies, I'm still getting to know them, but I have friends who are involved and they're like, "Yeah, we're aware this is an issue." So yeah, let's work with the fucking Cajun fucking Navy to like make sure that you can get folks with different bodies onto evac boats. Like let's figure out what disabled survival looks like. And I will just say, and this is the last thing I swear, for me, I mean, we all know water is important. Like, I can't lift 54 pounds. Guess what? So can't--which is, you know, a seven gallon right, like a five or seven gallon whatever--I'm just like, yeah, so I can actually have smaller jugs of water that I can lift. So yeah, I have a bug out plan, but I also have a real Shelter in Place plan because I'm just like, yeah, my apartment's accessible for me. So yeah, I got a shit ton of water right here and I'll be good for a while. And I also have a plan B for.... Okay, there's...I've got my filtration equipment, so when that runs out, I'm close to some water sources where I can go and I can filter that shit. And that's me thinking about what works for my body. Think about what works for yours and then plan out from that. Okay, I'll really stop talking now. **Margaret ** 49:44 No, no, but there's so much there. Even just like to go to the weight of water, right? The thing that I ran across that I'm like--I'm reasonably able-bodied and such like that, right--but I live alone and so obviously there's this specific thing where like.... Well, one, I mean, abledness is always a temporary position.... **Leah ** 50:04 Yeah, you're going to get disabled, you're gonna get sick and disabled. **Margaret ** 50:07 Like it literally happens to--unless you, I don't know, die very quickly, very suddenly, probably violently, you're gonna go through a period of disability in your life, you know? And so my argument is that machismo is anti-prepping. And one of the ways that I would say is that like, there's now, I think.... Okay, so cement bags, they come in 50 pound bags traditionally, right? But now there's more and more, I think, there seems to be more and more 30 pound bags, right? And I used to be like, "Oh, whatever, I can lift a 50 pound bag. So I should carry the 50 pound bag." And then I'm like, well, it was not a helpful way to look at it. It is far better for me to just have 30 pound bags of cement because they're easier to carry and I'll get tired less. And I, you know, at the time that I was pouring these bags, I lived up a hill about probably the equivalent of a seven storey walk up to this cabin that I was building, right. And so I had to carry each and every one. It was way nicer that I carry 30 pound bags. And if your preparedness doesn't include the fact that your level of ability will change in different situations, then it's not very good preparedness. And and so like, I don't know, I mean, like most of my water jugs are four or five gallon jugs. I use jerry cans. I think most of them are five gallon. And I hate the six gallon ones and the seven gallon ones. They're just heavy and annoying. And it's like I can give lift them but there's no reason why I should. Unless I'm specifically working on lifting weights. And then the other thing that you talked about that I really think about a lot, you know, is this idea, of does your version of disaster mean that every doctor dies? Or like, does your version of disaster mean everyone who's ever made insulin dies? Like, it's possible. Sure, you could have 90...if almost everyone on Earth dies, then everything is a little different. But most disasters don't actually..... Most disasters destroy ways of living and large numbers of people, but not the majority of people write. Most people survive most disasters. And, people are like, "Well, our organizational systems are what produce insulin," and like, no, people produce insulin and they use organizational systems with which to do it. But different organizational systems can also produce insulin. Like different organizational systems can use the same infrastructure sometimes and make the things that we rely on. And it came up with this like whole thing where people on the internet were like, "Ah, if you're an anarchist, you hate disabled people because in anarchy, you can't have insulin," **Leah ** 50:28 That's gross. **Margaret ** 52:40 It is a complete misunderstanding of anarchism. It is not a lack of organization, it is a different type of organization. **Leah ** 52:46 Anarchy is responsibility. **Margaret ** 52:48 Yes, totally. **Leah ** 52:50 Sorry, sorry. **Margaret ** 52:52 That's why people don't like it. People are afraid of it because they actually have to.... It's the accepting no one is coming to save us except us. You know? No, I love that way of framing and it also annoys anarchists when you tell them this too. **Leah ** 53:07 Okay, well, I mean, you know, so I worked at Modern Times books, which was, you know, is no longer around, but was a long time anarchists and anti authoritarian radical bookstore in the Bay. And we had the only public toilet in all of the Mission because everybody else was like, "No, you gotta buy something." and in my interview, they're like, "How will you make the store better?" And I was like, "I will make the bathroom not smell horrible." Because, you know, it was just like a bust, everyone was pissing in there. And so I taped up a sign that said "Anarchy is responsibility. If you spray the fucking toilet with urine, please wipe it up. Together we can have a toilet." And somebody called me out and was like, "That's capitalist." And I was like, "No, just wipe your piss up or we're not gonna make the revolution. Like, come on." But yeah, they got pissed at me about that. [Both laugh] But yeah, I mean, I think that's a really good point. And it's like, you know, I mean, I think that it does point to, you know, I think a structural problem in a lot of our movements, which is like, yeah, we don't we need more people who know some basics of chemistry and can synthesize stuff. Like, that's, you know, we need more people who've gone to some kind of science or engineering school who can figure out how sewage works and how you synthesize insulin and how you synthesize hormones and like, basic surgery. And I think there's a lot of hopefulness because I--maybe it's just the folks I hang out with--but I have a fair number of friends who are like, "Yeah, I'm gonna be a nurse practitioner. I can give you an abortion. I can sew up your wound. I can help you figure out this thing." And I'd love for there to be more of us who can go to PA school or