Podcast appearances and mentions of Evan Smith

Evan Smith is the co-founder and CEO of Altana, one of a few companies that have a global view and insight into the world's supply chains. Think LinkedIn, but with the ability to track every step of a product's movement from raw materials to store shelves. That lets him see firsthand how President Trump's tariffs have thrown global trade networks into chaos as companies rush to rework every step of the manufacturing process. And Smith says this is just the beginning. Is the era of global free trade over? And if so, what comes next? Smith speaks to WSJ's Christopher Mims and Tim Higgins on the latest episode of the Bold Names podcast. Check Out Past Episodes: Venture Capitalist Sarah Guo's Surprising Bet on Unsexy AI What This Former USAID Head Had to Say About Elon Musk and DOGE ‘Businesses Don't Like Uncertainty': How Cisco Is Navigating AI and Trump 2.0 Palmer Luckey's 'I Told You So' Tour: AI Weapons and Vindication Let us know what you think of the show. Email us at BoldNames@wsj.com Sign up for the WSJ's free Technology newsletter. Read Christopher Mims's Keywords column. Read Tim Higgins's column. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

There's a big party planned for Friday night at the Majestic in St. John's as a veteran performer from many shows and musicals is putting his own songs in the spotlight. Evan Smith joins us in the On The Go studio to introduce his new album "Turn on the Dark" and take a look at the various incarnations of his career. (Guest-host Jamie Fitzpatrick with Evan Smith)

I'm talking to Evan Smith, who started Altana in 2019 because he predicted the first wave of globalized manufacturing and trade would end, and that companies would want new powerful tools to adapt their supply chains as the world grew more complex. Here in 2025, that looks like a pretty good bet — even if the way it's playing out is more stressful and chaotic than anyone really wants it to be. There are some big, unsettling ideas here, but talking about them directly and with clarity at least made me feel like I had a framework to understand the endless on-again, off-again news cycle on tariffs and trade. Links:  Globalization 2.0 Manifesto | Altana The ‘giant sucking sound' of NAFTA | The Conversation ‘Offensive Realism': The never-ending struggle for power | American Diplomacy (2002) Foreign Affairs Big Mac I | NYT (1996) The end of the Golden Arches Doctrine | Financial Times Trump could scale back tariffs, Lutnick says | CNBC China joined rule-based trading system — then broke the rules | Politico Open Source and China: Inverting Copyright? | Wisconsin International Law Journal How the US lost out on iPhone work | NYT Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.  The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Med Twin Peaks fick han hela världen att undra vem som mördade Laura Palmer. Det här är berättelsen om regissören som fångade allt det skeva med USA. Nya avsnitt från P3 ID hittar du först i Sveriges Radio Play. I början av 2025, när skoningslösa bränder härjar i Los Angeles, kommer ännu en svart rubrik: Kungen av LA, filmskaparen och konstnären David Lynch, har gått bort 78 år gammal. En hel värld sörjer visionären som kallades för den sista surrealisten.Med filmen ”Eraserhead” slår Lynch igenom i de smalare filmkretsarna i slutet av 70-talet. Men den märkliga svartvita filmen ska snart öppna dörren till Hollywood och den breda publiken. Mot bättre vetande tackar David Lynch ja till att axla rollen som regissör för science fiction-eposet ”Dune”. Fiaskot som följer hade kunnat sänka vilken gryende filmskaparkarriär som helst, men misslyckandet blir en språngbräda för Lynch att visa sitt sanna jag som berättare. I den följande filmen ”Blue velvet” gestaltar han det sömniga villa-amerika han växte upp i, och i vad som blir kännetecknande för hans stil låter han nattsvart ondska och psykosexuella begär krocka med bländvita staket och kromade motorhuvar. Med den epokgörande tv-serien ”Twin peaks” trollbinder han och medskaparen Mark Frost tittarna, som samlas i fikarum världen över för att diskutera svaret på frågan ”Vem mördade Laura Palmer?”.Men studiosystemets rigida ramar skulle gång på gång visa sig vara en för trång kostym för Lynch, som alltid gick sin egen väg för att inte kompromissa med sin vision. Trots det, eller tack vare det, hyllades han av sina kollegor som minns honom med värme som en iögonfallande kalufs höljd i ett moln av cigarettrök.Medverkande: Gunnar Bolin, kulturjournalist och författare, Alexandra Pascalidou, journalist och programledare, Johan Hilton, författare och kulturchef på Göteborgs-Posten, Jesper Ganslandt, regissör.Ljudklipp i avsnittet är hämtade från dokumentären ”The art life”, Bryn Mawr Film Institute, KGSM Mediacache, Hudson Union Society, BAFTA, Toby Keelers Youtubekanal, Alan Lopez youtubekanal, W Magazine, NPR, Siskel & Ebert At The Movies, Overheard with Evan Smith, BBC Global, Bob's Big Boy's Milkshakes, Palme d'Or Cannes, BBC Scene by Scene, The Golden Globes, The David Lynch Foundation samt verk ur Lynchs filmografi.

A 6-year-old singer at this year's St. John's Kiwanis Music Festival flexes his musical muscle in the On the Go studio... performing "I'm Popeye the Sailor Man" with his dad backing him up on the keyboards. (Krissy Holmes with Harrison Smith and Evan Smith)

Episode 95 with John Gardner, skateboarder and student social worker from New Jersey. Together we discussed his life and career, from growing up and picking up his first board in New Jersey to moving to California in 2017, officially getting on the DC shoes team and becoming their global TM, turning pro for Creature Skateboards in 2021, since 2023 transitioning into mental health awareness, moving back east early 2024 and settling down in Asheville, NC and everything in between through surprise questions from friends of his.(00:13) – Intro (01:25) – Jordan Gesko (03:33) – Paul Overstrom(06:06) – Chris Ray(12:33) – Zach Gesko (14:52) – Alex Pennacchia(20:01) – Evan Smith (21:24) – Jill Wijangco(26:17) – Elias Parise(31:14) – Ace Pelka(34:35) – Darren Navarette(35:19) – Shintaro Hongo(36:56) – Felipe Amigo(38:57) – Austin Leleu(43:30) – Mike Heikkila (47:55) – Jake Baldini (51:38) – Chris “Rhino” Rooney(55:34) – Martin Fobes (58:46) – Jimmy Astleford(01:03:51) – Andy Enos(01:07:06) – Lauren Valls(01:10:22) – Brandon Turner(01:14:49) – Joel Pippus(01:18:30) – Léo Valls(01:22:43) – John Rattray(01:26:30) – Kim and Ray Turpin(01:33:09) – David Manaud(01:34:33) – Sergio Cadaré(01:38:47) – Wes Kremer(01:42:47) – Conclusion For more information and resources: https://linktr.ee/beyondboardsHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

On this week's episode of the World's Greatest Action Sports Podcast, Chris and Todd talk about Kelly Slater Birthday party, Lexus Pipe Pro breakdown, is a snowboard trip to Italy cheaper than a trip to Aspen, Camp Shred is coming, Todd's take on the death of the snowboard industry, Surf Abu Dhabi Pro preview, Iceland's best wave about to be destroyed,  Skate Shop Day, Evan Smith on I-Path, Mt. Baker Banked Slalom, Kings And Queens Of Corbet's, Mammoth getting snow, lots of questions answered and so much more.  Presented by: New Greens @newgreens Mammoth Mountain @mammothmountain   Sun Bum @sunbum   Spy Optic @spyoptic   Hansen Surfboards @hansensurf Bachan's Japanese BBQ Sauce @trybachans MachuPicchu Energy @machupicchu.energy Pannikin Coffee And Tea @pannikincoffeeandtea Bubs Naturals @bubsnatruals Pedal Electric @pedal.electric Vesyl Shipping @vesylapp Mint Tours @minttours     Die Cut Stickers @diecutstickersdotcom CAMP SHRED IS COMING! MARCH 1 and 2 at San Elijo Campgrounds in Cardiff By The Sea, CA.

Charlie Eisenhood and Josh Mansfield talk about Ricky Wysocki and Kona Montgomery's departures from Dynamic Discs a year early. Then they're joined by new DD signing Evan Smith for a wide-ranging interview in his first appearance on the show.0:00 Wysocki, Kona gone from DD19:00 Evan Smith Interview, Putting & Confidence29:45 His Contract, Ricky's Departure from DD39:25 Goals, Areas for Improvement47:00 Most Exciting Card Mates51:00 Impressions & Marketablity of Evan Smith

Every three weeks, Jersey's States Members take their seats in the States Chamber to debate policy proposals and approve the laws that govern the Island.And usually, the only way you would get to experience what that is like is to stand for election when the time comes and convince the electorate you're the right person for the job.But to celebrate Jersey's fifth Democracy Week, the States Greffe gave Islanders the chance to take part in a real-life debate.In this episode, we look back at Jersey's first People's Debate with some of those who were involved with it, to discover what they made of the experience and if it achieved what it set out to do.Host: Sarah HopkinsInterviewees: Jenny O' Brien, Peter Langlois, Evan Smith and Jon TarrantWatch the People's Debate in full on YouTube.Get in touch with us if you have some feedback about the show, or if you want to suggest a topic for a future episode. Email statesgreffe@gov.je If you liked what you heard, please give us a star rating, add your review and subscribe!statesassembly.je

Send us a textEvan Smith, a dedicated athlete and National Guard service member, joins us on the Hungry Dog Barbell Podcast to share his fascinating journey of juggling rigorous CrossFit training with military duties. Throughout our conversation, we explore the deeper themes of discipline, adversity, and the power of small actions. Evan's experiences illustrate how transformative sports and fitness can be, teaching invaluable life lessons in resilience and determination.

Evan Smith is the co-founder and CEO of Altana, a global supply chain management platform. Altana is one of the newest freight tech unicorns out there– they recently raised $200mm in a Series C round that valued the company at over a billion dollars. In this episode, Evan and Auren discuss: Why "Globalization 2.0" is replacing free tradeHow Russia's economy defied sanctions expectationsThe hidden power of supply chain middlemenChina's transformation from cheap labor to tech leaderLooking for more tech, data and venture capital intel? Head to worldofdaas.com for our podcast, newsletter and events, and follow us on X @worldofdaas.  You can find Auren Hoffman on X at @auren and Evan Smith on LinkedIn.Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com)

Dan and Ellen talk with Sonal Shah, the CEO of the Texas Tribune, a pioneering nonprofit newsroom. Shah, a Houston native and first-generation immigrant, took over as CEO in January 2023 after co-founder Evan Smith decided to move on. Shah is part of a major transition at the Tribune, and brings broad experience in government, the private sector, and philanthropy. She is a trained economist who worked on the Obama presidential transition team, she worked in philanthropy for Google, and she was national policy director for Pete Buttigieg's run for president. Dan has a Quick Take about Advance Local, a local news chain in New Jersey that is ending print editions and going fully digital.  Ellen's Quick Take is on the Minnesota Star Tribune's editorial non-endorsement in the presidential race and an alternative endorsement of Kamala Harris written on a blog by former Strib staffers.  

If you've listened to the podcast for a while, you might have heard our ElevenLabs-powered AI co-host Charlie a few times. Text-to-speech has made amazing progress in the last 18 months, with OpenAI's Advanced Voice Mode (aka “Her”) as a sneak peek of the future of AI interactions (see our “Building AGI in Real Time” recap). Yet, we had yet to see a real killer app for AI voice (not counting music).Today's guests, Raiza Martin and Usama Bin Shafqat, are the lead PM and AI engineer behind the NotebookLM feature flag that gave us the first viral AI voice experience, the “Deep Dive” podcast:The idea behind the “Audio Overviews” feature is simple: take a bunch of documents, websites, YouTube videos, etc, and generate a podcast out of them. This was one of the first demos that people built with voice models + RAG + GPT models, but it was always a glorified speech-to-text. Raiza and Usama took a very different approach:* Make it conversational: when you listen to a NotebookLM audio there are a ton of micro-interjections (Steven Johnson calls them disfluencies) like “Oh really?” or “Totally”, as well as pauses and “uh…”, like you would expect in a real conversation. These are not generated by the LLM in the transcript, but they are built into the the audio model. See ~28:00 in the pod for more details. * Listeners love tension: if two people are always in agreement on everything, it's not super interesting. They tuned the model to generate flowing conversations that mirror the tone and rhythm of human speech. They did not confirm this, but many suspect the 2 year old SoundStorm paper is related to this model.* Generating new insights: because the hosts' goal is not to summarize, but to entertain, it comes up with funny metaphors and comparisons that actually help expand on the content rather than just paraphrasing like most models do. We have had listeners make podcasts out of our podcasts, like this one.This is different than your average SOTA-chasing, MMLU-driven model buildooor. Putting product and AI engineering in the same room, having them build evals together, and understanding what the goal is lets you get these unique results. The 5 rules for AI PMsWe always focus on AI Engineers, but this episode had a ton of AI PM nuggets as well, which we wanted to collect as NotebookLM is one of the most successful products in the AI space:1. Less is more: the first version of the product had 0 customization options. All you could do is give it source documents, and then press a button to generate. Most users don't know what “temperature” or “top-k” are, so you're often taking the magic away by adding more options in the UI. Since recording they added a few, like a system prompt, but those were features that users were “hacking in”, as Simon Willison highlighted in his blog post.2. Use Real-Time Feedback: they built a community of 65,000 users on Discord that is constantly reporting issues and giving feedback; sometimes they noticed server downtime even before the Google internal monitoring did. Getting real time pings > aggregating user data when doing initial iterations. 3. Embrace Non-Determinism: AI outputs variability is a feature, not a bug. Rather than limiting the outputs from the get-go, build toggles that you can turn on/off with feature flags as the feedback starts to roll in.4. Curate with Taste: if you try your product and it sucks, you don't need more data to confirm it. Just scrap that and iterate again. This is even easier for a product like this; if you start listening to one of the podcasts and turn it off after 10 seconds, it's never a good sign. 5. Stay Hands-On: It's hard to build taste if you don't experiment. Trying out all your competitors products as well as unrelated tools really helps you understand what users are seeing in market, and how to improve on it.Chapters00:00 Introductions01:39 From Project Tailwind to NotebookLM09:25 Learning from 65,000 Discord members12:15 How NotebookLM works18:00 Working with Steven Johnson23:00 How to prioritize features25:13 Structuring the data pipelines29:50 How to eval34:34 Steering the podcast outputs37:51 Defining speakers personalities39:04 How do you make audio engaging?45:47 Humor is AGI51:38 Designing for non-determinism53:35 API when?55:05 Multilingual support and dialect considerations57:50 Managing system prompts and feature requests01:00:58 Future of NotebookLM01:04:59 Podcasts for your codebase01:07:16 Plans for real-time chat01:08:27 Wrap upShow Notes* Notebook LM* AI Test Kitchen* Nicholas Carlini* Steven Johnson* Wealth of Nations* Histories of Mysteries by Andrej Karpathy* chicken.pdf Threads* Area 120* Raiza Martin* Usama Bin ShafqatTranscriptNotebookLM [00:00:00]: Hey everyone, we're here today as guests on Latent Space. It's great to be here, I'm a long time listener and fan, they've had some great guests on this show before. Yeah, what an honor to have us, the hosts of another podcast, join as guests. I mean a huge thank you to Swyx and Alessio for the invite, thanks for having us on the show. Yeah really, it seems like they brought us here to talk a little bit about our show, our podcast. Yeah, I mean we've had lots of listeners ourselves, listeners at Deep Dive. Oh yeah, we've made a ton of audio overviews since we launched and we're learning a lot. There's probably a lot we can share around what we're building next, huh? Yeah, we'll share a little bit at least. The short version is we'll keep learning and getting better for you. We're glad you're along for the ride. So yeah, keep listening. Keep listening and stay curious. We promise to keep diving deep and bringing you even better options in the future. Stay curious.Alessio [00:00:52]: Hey everyone, welcome to the Latent Space Podcast. This is Alessio, partner and CTO at Residence at Decibel Partners. And I'm joined by my co-host, Swyx, founder of Smol.ai.Swyx [00:01:01]: Hey, and today we're back in the studio with our special guest, Raiza Martin. And Raiza, I forgot to get your last name, Shafqat.Raiza [00:01:10]: Yes.Swyx [00:01:10]: Okay, welcome.Raiza [00:01:12]: Hello, thank you for having us.Swyx [00:01:14]: So AI podcasters meet human podcasters, always fun. Congrats on the success of Notebook LM. I mean, how does it feel?Raiza [00:01:22]: It's been a lot of fun. A lot of it, honestly, was unexpected. But my favorite part is really listening to the audio overviews that people have been making.Swyx [00:01:29]: Maybe we should do a little bit of intros and tell the story. You know, what is your path into the sort of Google AI org? Or maybe, actually, I don't even know what org you guys are in.Raiza [00:01:39]: I can start. My name is Raisa. I lead the Notebook LM team inside of Google Labs. So specifically, that's the org that we're in. It's called Google Labs. It's only about two years old. And our whole mandate is really to build AI products. That's it. We work super closely with DeepMind. Our entire thing is just, like, try a bunch of things and see what's landing with users. And the background that I have is, really, I worked in payments before this, and I worked in ads right before, and then startups. I tell people, like, at every time that I changed orgs, I actually almost quit Google. Like, specifically, like, in between ads and payments, I was like, all right, I can't do this. Like, this is, like, super hard. I was like, it's not for me. I'm, like, a very zero-to-one person. But then I was like, okay, I'll try. I'll interview with other teams. And when I interviewed in payments, I was like, oh, these people are really cool. I don't know if I'm, like, a super good fit with this space, but I'll try it because the people are cool. And then I really enjoyed that, and then I worked on, like, zero-to-one features inside of payments, and I had a lot of fun. But then the time came again where I was like, oh, I don't know. It's like, it's time to leave. It's time to start my own thing. But then I interviewed inside of Google Labs, and I was like, oh, darn. Like, there's definitely, like—Alessio [00:02:48]: They got you again.Raiza [00:02:49]: They got me again. And so now I've been here for two years, and I'm happy that I stayed because especially with, you know, the recent success of Notebook LM, I'm like, dang, we did it. I actually got to do it. So that was really cool.Usama [00:03:02]: Kind of similar, honestly. I was at a big team at Google. We do sort of the data center supply chain planning stuff. Google has, like, the largest sort of footprint. Obviously, there's a lot of management stuff to do there. But then there was this thing called Area 120 at Google, which does not exist anymore. But I sort of wanted to do, like, more zero-to-one building and landed a role there. We were trying to build, like, a creator commerce platform called Kaya. It launched briefly a couple years ago. But then Area 120 sort of transitioned and morphed into Labs. And, like, over the last few years, like, the focus just got a lot clearer. Like, we were trying to build new AI products and do it in the wild and sort of co-create and all of that. So, you know, we've just been trying a bunch of different things. And this one really landed, which has felt pretty phenomenal. Really, really landed.Swyx [00:03:53]: Let's talk about the brief history of Notebook LM. You had a tweet, which is very helpful for doing research. May 2023, during Google I.O., you announced Project Tailwind.Raiza [00:04:03]: Yeah.Swyx [00:04:03]: So today is October 2024. So you joined October 2022?Raiza [00:04:09]: Actually, I used to lead AI Test Kitchen. And this was actually, I think, not I.O. 2023. I.O. 2022 is when we launched AI Test Kitchen, or announced it. And I don't know if you remember it.Swyx [00:04:23]: That's how you, like, had the basic prototype for Gemini.Raiza [00:04:26]: Yes, yes, exactly. Lambda.Swyx [00:04:28]: Gave beta access to people.Raiza [00:04:29]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember, I was like, wow, this is crazy. We're going to launch an LLM into the wild. And that was the first project that I was working on at Google. But at the same time, my manager at the time, Josh, he was like, hey, I want you to really think about, like, what real products would we build that are not just demos of the technology? That was in October of 2022. I was sitting next to an engineer that was working on a project called Talk to Small Corpus. His name was Adam. And the idea of Talk to Small Corpus is basically using LLM to talk to your data. And at the time, I was like, wait, there's some, like, really practical things that you can build here. And just a little bit of background, like, I was an adult learner. Like, I went to college while I was working a full-time job. And the first thing I thought was, like, this would have really helped me with my studying, right? Like, if I could just, like, talk to a textbook, especially, like, when I was tired after work, that would have been huge. We took a lot of, like, the Talk to Small Corpus prototypes, and I showed it to a lot of, like, college students, particularly, like, adult learners. They were like, yes, like, I get it, right? Like, I didn't even have to explain it to them. And we just continued to iterate the prototype from there to the point where we actually got a slot as part of the I.O. demo in 23.Swyx [00:05:42]: And Corpus, was it a textbook? Oh, my gosh.Raiza [00:05:45]: Yeah. It's funny. Actually, when he explained the project to me, he was like, talk to Small Corpus. It was like, talk to a small corpse?Swyx [00:05:51]: Yeah, nobody says Corpus.Raiza [00:06:00]: It was like, a small corpse? This is not AI. Yeah, yeah. And it really was just, like, a way for us to describe the amount of data that we thought, like, it could be good for.Swyx [00:06:02]: Yeah, but even then, you're still, like, doing rag stuff. Because, you know, the context length back then was probably, like, 2K, 4K.Raiza [00:06:08]: Yeah, it was basically rag.Raiza [00:06:09]: That was essentially what it was.Raiza [00:06:10]: And I remember, I was like, we were building the prototypes. And at the same time, I think, like, the rest of the world was. Right? We were seeing all of these, like, chat with PDF stuff come up. And I was like, come on, we gotta go. Like, we have to, like, push this out into the world. I think if there was anything, I wish we would have launched sooner because I wanted to learn faster. But I think, like, we netted out pretty well.Alessio [00:06:30]: Was the initial product just text-to-speech? Or were you also doing kind of, like, synthesizing of the content, refining it? Or were you just helping people read through it?Raiza [00:06:40]: Before we did the I.O. announcement in 23, we'd already done a lot of studies. And one of the first things that I realized was the first thing anybody ever typed was, summarize the thing. Right?Raiza [00:06:53]: Summarize the document.Raiza [00:06:54]: And it was, like, half like a test and half just like, oh, I know the content. I want to see how well it does this. So it was part of the first thing that we launched. It was called Project Tailwind back then. It was just Q&A, so you could chat with the doc just through text, and it would automatically generate a summary as well. I'm not sure if we had it back then.Raiza [00:07:12]: I think we did.Raiza [00:07:12]: It would also generate the key topics in your document, and it could support up to, like, 10 documents. So it wasn't just, like, a single doc.Alessio [00:07:20]: And then the I.O. demo went well, I guess. And then what was the discussion from there to where we are today? Is there any, maybe, intermediate step of the product that people missed between this was launch or?Raiza [00:07:33]: It was interesting because every step of the way, I think we hit, like, some pretty critical milestones. So I think from the initial demo, I think there was so much excitement of, like, wow, what is this thing that Google is launching? And so we capitalized on that. We built the wait list. That's actually when we also launched the Discord server, which has been huge for us because for us in particular, one of the things that I really wanted to do was to be able to launch features and get feedback ASAP. Like, the moment somebody tries it, like, I want to hear what they think right now, and I want to ask follow-up questions. And the Discord has just been so great for that. But then we basically took the feedback from I.O., we continued to refine the product.Raiza [00:08:12]: So we added more features.Raiza [00:08:13]: We added sort of, like, the ability to save notes, write notes. We generate follow-up questions. So there's a bunch of stuff in the product that shows, like, a lot of that research. But it was really the rolling out of things. Like, we removed the wait list, so rolled out to all of the United States. We rolled out to over 200 countries and territories. We started supporting more languages, both in the UI and, like, the actual source stuff. We experienced, like, in terms of milestones, there was, like, an explosion of, like, users in Japan. This was super interesting in terms of just, like, unexpected. Like, people would write to us and they would be like, this is amazing. I have to read all of these rules in English, but I can chat in Japanese. It's like, oh, wow. That's true, right? Like, with LLMs, you kind of get this natural, it translates the content for you. And you can ask in your sort of preferred mode. And I think that's not just, like, a language thing, too. I think there's, like, I do this test with Wealth of Nations all the time because it's, like, a pretty complicated text to read. The Evan Smith classic.Swyx [00:09:11]: It's, like, 400 pages or something.Raiza [00:09:12]: Yeah. But I like this test because I'm, like, asking, like, Normie, you know, plain speak. And then it summarizes really well for me. It sort of adapts to my tone.Swyx [00:09:22]: Very capitalist.Raiza [00:09:25]: Very on brand.Swyx [00:09:25]: I just checked in on a Notebook LM Discord. 65,000 people. Yeah.Raiza [00:09:29]: Crazy.Swyx [00:09:29]: Just, like, for one project within Google. It's not, like, it's not labs. It's just Notebook LM.Raiza [00:09:35]: Just Notebook LM.Swyx [00:09:36]: What do you learn from the community?Raiza [00:09:39]: I think that the Discord is really great for hearing about a couple of things.Raiza [00:09:43]: One, when things are going wrong. I think, honestly, like, our fastest way that we've been able to find out if, like, the servers are down or there's just an influx of people being, like, it saysRaiza [00:09:53]: system unable to answer.Raiza [00:09:54]: Anybody else getting this?Raiza [00:09:56]: And I'm, like, all right, let's go.Raiza [00:09:58]: And it actually catches it a lot faster than, like, our own monitoring does.Raiza [00:10:01]: It's, like, that's been really cool. So, thank you.Swyx [00:10:03]: Canceled eat a dog.Raiza [00:10:05]: So, thank you to everybody. Please keep reporting it. I think the second thing is really the use cases.Raiza [00:10:10]: I think when we put it out there, I was, like, hey, I have a hunch of how people will use it, but, like, to actually hear about, you know, not just the context of, like, the use of Notebook LM, but, like, what is this person's life like? Why do they care about using this tool?Raiza [00:10:23]: Especially people who actually have trouble using it, but they keep pushing.Raiza [00:10:27]: Like, that's just so critical to understand what was so motivating, right?Raiza [00:10:31]: Like, what was your problem that was, like, so worth solving? So, that's, like, a second thing.Raiza [00:10:34]: The third thing is also just hearing sort of, like, when we have wins and when we don't have wins because there's actually a lot of functionality where I'm, like, hmm, IRaiza [00:10:42]: don't know if that landed super well or if that was actually super critical.Raiza [00:10:45]: As part of having this sort of small project, right, I want to be able to unlaunch things, too. So, it's not just about just, like, rolling things out and testing it and being, like, wow, now we have, like, 99 features. Like, hopefully we get to a place where it's, like, there's just a really strong core feature set and the things that aren't as great, we can just unlaunch.Swyx [00:11:02]: What have you unlaunched? I have to ask.Raiza [00:11:04]: I'm in the process of unlaunching some stuff, but, for example, we had this idea that you could highlight the text in your source passage and then you could transform it. And nobody was really using it and it was, like, a very complicated piece of our architecture and it's very hard to continue supporting it in the context of new features. So, we were, like, okay, let's do a 50-50 sunset of this thing and see if anybody complains.Raiza [00:11:28]: And so far, nobody has.Swyx [00:11:29]: Is there, like, a feature flagging paradigm inside of your architecture that lets you feature flag these things easily?Raiza [00:11:36]: Yes, and actually...Raiza [00:11:37]: What is it called?Swyx [00:11:38]: Like, I love feature flagging.Raiza [00:11:40]: You mean, like, in terms of just, like, being able to expose things to users?Swyx [00:11:42]: Yeah, as a PM. Like, this is your number one tool, right?Raiza [00:11:44]: Yeah, yeah.Swyx [00:11:45]: Let's try this out. All right, if it works, roll it out. If it doesn't, roll it back, you know?Raiza [00:11:49]: Yeah, I mean, we just run Mendel experiments for the most part. And, actually, I don't know if you saw it, but on Twitter, somebody was able to get around our flags and they enabled all the experiments.Raiza [00:11:58]: They were, like, check out what the Notebook LM team is cooking.Raiza [00:12:02]: I was, like, oh!Raiza [00:12:03]: And I was at lunch with the rest of the team and I was, like, I was eating. I was, like, guys, guys, Magic Draft League!Raiza [00:12:10]: They were, like, oh, no!Raiza [00:12:12]: I was, like, okay, just finish eating and then let's go figure out what to do.Raiza [00:12:15]: Yeah.Alessio [00:12:15]: I think a post-mortem would be fun, but I don't think we need to do it on the podcast now. Can we just talk about what's behind the magic? So, I think everybody has questions, hypotheses about what models power it. I know you might not be able to share everything, but can you just get people very basic? How do you take the data and put it in the model? What text model you use? What's the text-to-speech kind of, like, jump between the two? Sure.Raiza [00:12:42]: Yeah.Raiza [00:12:42]: I was going to say, SRaiza, he manually does all the podcasts.Raiza [00:12:46]: Oh, thank you.Usama [00:12:46]: Really fast. You're very fast, yeah.Raiza [00:12:48]: Both of the voices at once.Usama [00:12:51]: Voice actor.Raiza [00:12:52]: Good, good.Usama [00:12:52]: Yeah, so, for a bit of background, we were building this thing sort of outside Notebook LM to begin with. Like, just the idea is, like, content transformation, right? Like, we can do different modalities. Like, everyone knows that. Everyone's been poking at it. But, like, how do you make it really useful? And, like, one of the ways we thought was, like, okay, like, you maybe, like, you know, people learn better when they're hearing things. But TTS exists, and you can, like, narrate whatever's on screen. But you want to absorb it the same way. So, like, that's where we sort of started out into the realm of, like, maybe we try, like, you know, two people are having a conversation kind of format. We didn't actually start out thinking this would live in Notebook, right? Like, Notebook was sort of, we built this demo out independently, tried out, like, a few different sort of sources. The main idea was, like, go from some sort of sources and transform it into a listenable, engaging audio format. And then through that process, we, like, unlocked a bunch more sort of learnings. Like, for example, in a sense, like, you're not prompting the model as much because, like, the information density is getting unrolled by the model prompting itself, in a sense. Because there's two speakers, and they're both technically, like, AI personas, right? That have different angles of looking at things. And, like, they'll have a discussion about it. And that sort of, we realized that's kind of what was making it riveting, in a sense. Like, you care about what comes next, even if you've read the material already. Because, like, people say they get new insights on their own journals or books or whatever. Like, anything that they've written themselves. So, yeah, from a modeling perspective, like, it's, like Reiza said earlier, like, we work with the DeepMind audio folks pretty closely. So, they're always cooking up new techniques to, like, get better, more human-like audio. And then Gemini 1.5 is really, really good at absorbing long context. So, we sort of, like, generally put those things together in a way that we could reliably produce the audio.Raiza [00:14:52]: I would add, like, there's something really nuanced, I think, about sort of the evolution of, like, the utility of text-to-speech. Where, if it's just reading an actual text response, and I've done this several times. I do it all the time with, like, reading my text messages. Or, like, sometimes I'm trying to read, like, a really dense paper, but I'm trying to do actual work. I'll have it, like, read out the screen. There is something really robotic about it that is not engaging. And it's really hard to consume content in that way. And it's never been really effective. Like, particularly for me, where I'm, like, hey, it's actually just, like, it's fine for, like, short stuff. Like, texting, but even that, it's, like, not that great. So, I think the frontier of experimentation here was really thinking about there is a transform that needs to happen in between whatever.Raiza [00:15:38]: Here's, like, my resume, right?Raiza [00:15:39]: Or here's, like, a 100-page slide deck or something. There is a transform that needs to happen that is inherently editorial. And I think this is where, like, that two-person persona, right, dialogue model, they have takes on the material that you've presented. That's where it really sort of, like, brings the content to life in a way that's, like, not robotic. And I think that's, like, where the magic is, is, like, you don't actually know what's going to happen when you press generate.Raiza [00:16:08]: You know, for better or for worse.Raiza [00:16:09]: Like, to the extent that, like, people are, like, no, I actually want it to be more predictable now. Like, I want to be able to tell them. But I think that initial, like, wow was because you didn't know, right? When you upload your resume, what's it about to say about you? And I think I've seen enough of these where I'm, like, oh, it gave you good vibes, right? Like, you knew it was going to say, like, something really cool. As we start to shape this product, I think we want to try to preserve as much of that wow as much as we can. Because I do think, like, exposing, like, all the knobs and, like, the dials, like, we've been thinking about this a lot. It's like, hey, is that, like, the actual thing?Raiza [00:16:43]: Is that the thing that people really want?Alessio [00:16:45]: Have you found differences in having one model just generate the conversation and then using text-to-speech to kind of fake two people? Or, like, are you actually using two different kind of system prompts to, like, have a conversation step-by-step? I'm always curious, like, if persona system prompts make a big difference? Or, like, you just put in one prompt and then you just let it run?Usama [00:17:05]: I guess, like, generally we use a lot of inference, as you can tell with, like, the spinning thing takes a while. So, yeah, there's definitely, like, a bunch of different things happening under the hood. We've tried both approaches and they have their, sort of, drawbacks and benefits. I think that that idea of, like, questioning, like, the two different personas, like, persists throughout, like, whatever approach we try. It's like, there's a bit of, like, imperfection in there. Like, we had to really lean into the fact that, like, to build something that's engaging, like, it needs to be somewhat human and it needs to be just not a chatbot. Like, that was sort of, like, what we need to diverge from. It's like, you know, most chatbots will just narrate the same kind of answer, like, given the same sources, for the most part, which is ridiculous. So, yeah, there's, like, experimentation there under the hood, like, with the model to, like, make sure that it's spitting out, like, different takes and different personas and different, sort of, prompting each other is, like, a good analogy, I guess.Swyx [00:18:00]: Yeah, I think Steven Johnson, I think he's on your team. I don't know what his role is. He seems like chief dreamer, writer.Raiza [00:18:08]: Yeah, I mean, I can comment on Steven. So, Steven joined, actually, in the very early days, I think before it was even a fully funded project. And I remember when he joined, I was like, Steven Johnson's going to be on my team? You know, and for folks who don't know him, Steven is a New York Times bestselling author of, like, 14 books. He has a PBS show. He's, like, incredibly smart, just, like, a true, sort of, celebrity by himself. And then he joined Google, and he was like, I want to come here, and I want to build the thing that I've always dreamed of, which is a tool to help me think. I was like, a what? Like, a tool to help you think? I was like, what do you need help with? Like, you seem to be doing great on your own. And, you know, he would describe this to me, and I would watch his flow. And aside from, like, providing a lot of inspiration, to be honest, like, when I watched Steven work, I was like, oh, nobody works like this, right? Like, this is what makes him special. Like, he is such a dedicated, like, researcher and journalist, and he's so thorough, he's so smart. And then I had this realization of, like, maybe Steven is the product. Maybe the work is to take Steven's expertise and bring it to, like, everyday people that could really benefit from this. Like, just watching him work, I was like, oh, I could definitely use, like, a mini-Steven, like, doing work for me. Like, that would make me a better PM. And then I thought very quickly about, like, the adjacent roles that could use sort of this, like, research and analysis tool. And so, aside from being, you know, chief dreamer, Steven also represents, like, a super workflow that I think all of us, like, if we had access to a tool like it, would just inherently, like, make us better.Swyx [00:19:46]: Did you make him express his thoughts while he worked, or you just silently watched him, or how does this work?Raiza [00:19:52]: Oh, now you're making me admit it. But yes, I did just silently watch him.Swyx [00:19:57]: This is a part of the PM toolkit, right? They give user interviews and all that.Raiza [00:20:00]: Yeah, I mean, I did interview him, but I noticed, like, if I interviewed him, it was different than if I just watched him. And I did the same thing with students all the time. Like, I followed a lot of students around. I watched them study. I would ask them, like, oh, how do you feel now, right?Raiza [00:20:15]: Or why did you do that? Like, what made you do that, actually?Raiza [00:20:18]: Or why are you upset about, like, this particular thing? Why are you cranky about this particular topic? And it was very similar, I think, for Steven, especially because he was describing, he was in the middle of writing a book. And he would describe, like, oh, you know, here's how I research things, and here's how I keep my notes. Oh, and here's how I do it. And it was really, he was doing this sort of, like, self-questioning, right? Like, now we talk about, like, chain of, you know, reasoning or thought, reflection.Raiza [00:20:44]: And I was like, oh, he's the OG.Raiza [00:20:46]: Like, I watched him do it in real time. I was like, that's, like, L-O-M right there. And to be able to bring sort of that expertise in a way that was, like, you know, maybe, like, costly inference-wise, but really have, like, that ability inside of a tool that was, like, for starters, free inside of NotebookLM, it was good to learn whether or not people really did find use out of it.Swyx [00:21:05]: So did he just commit to using NotebookLM for everything, or did you just model his existing workflow?Raiza [00:21:12]: Both, right?Raiza [00:21:12]: Like, in the beginning, there was no product for him to use. And so he just kept describing the thing that he wanted. And then eventually, like, we started building the thing. And then I would start watching him use it. One of the things that I love about Steven is he uses the product in ways where it kind of does it, but doesn't quite. Like, he's always using it at, like, the absolute max limit of this thing. But the way that he describes it is so full of promise, where he's like, I can see it going here. And all I have to do is sort of, like, meet him there and sort of pressure test whether or not, you know, everyday people want it. And we just have to build it.Swyx [00:21:47]: I would say OpenAI has a pretty similar person, Andrew Mason, I think his name is. It's very similar, like, just from the writing world and using it as a tool for thought to shape Chachabitty. I don't think that people who use AI tools to their limit are common. I'm looking at my NotebookLM now. I've got two sources. You have a little, like, source limit thing. And my bar is over here, you know, and it stretches across the whole thing. I'm like, did he fill it up?Raiza [00:22:09]: Yes, and he has, like, a higher limit than others, I think. He fills it up.Raiza [00:22:14]: Oh, yeah.Raiza [00:22:14]: Like, I don't think Steven even has a limit, actually.Swyx [00:22:17]: And he has Notes, Google Drive stuff, PDFs, MP3, whatever.Raiza [00:22:22]: Yes, and one of my favorite demos, he just did this recently, is he has actually PDFs of, like, handwritten Marie Curie notes. I see.Swyx [00:22:29]: So you're doing image recognition as well. Yeah, it does support it today.Raiza [00:22:32]: So if you have a PDF that's purely images, it will recognize it.Raiza [00:22:36]: But his demo is just, like, super powerful.Raiza [00:22:37]: He's like, okay, here's Marie Curie's notes. And it's like, here's how I'm using it to analyze it. And I'm using it for, like, this thing that I'm writing.Raiza [00:22:44]: And that's really compelling.Raiza [00:22:45]: It's like the everyday person doesn't think of these applications. And I think even, like, when I listen to Steven's demo, I see the gap. I see how Steven got there, but I don't see how I could without him. And so there's a lot of work still for us to build of, like, hey, how do I bring that magic down to, like, zero work? Because I look at all the steps that he had to take in order to do it, and I'm like, okay, that's product work for us, right? Like, that's just onboarding.Alessio [00:23:09]: And so from an engineering perspective, people come to you and it's like, hey, I need to use this handwritten notes from Marie Curie from hundreds of years ago. How do you think about adding support for, like, data sources and then maybe any fun stories and, like, supporting more esoteric types of inputs?Raiza [00:23:25]: So I think about the product in three ways, right? So there's the sources, the source input. There's, like, the capabilities of, like, what you could do with those sources. And then there's the third space, which is how do you output it into the world? Like, how do you put it back out there? There's a lot of really basic sources that we don't support still, right? I think there's sort of, like, the handwritten notes stuff is one, but even basic things like DocX or, like, PowerPoint, right? Like, these are the things that people, everyday people are like, hey, my professor actually gave me everything in DocX. Can you support that? And then just, like, basic stuff, like images and PDFs combined with text. Like, there's just a really long roadmap for sources that I think we just have to work on.Raiza [00:24:04]: So that's, like, a big piece of it.Raiza [00:24:05]: On the output side, and I think this is, like, one of the most interesting things that we learned really early on, is, sure, there's, like, the Q&A analysis stuff, which is like, hey, when did this thing launch? Okay, you found it in the slide deck. Here's the answer. But most of the time, the reason why people ask those questions is because they're trying to make something new. And so when, actually, when some of those early features leaked, like, a lot of the features we're experimenting with are the output types. And so you can imagine that people care a lot about the resources that they're putting into NotebookLM because they're trying to create something new. So I think equally as important as, like, the source inputs are the outputs that we're helping people to create. And really, like, you know, shortly on the roadmap, we're thinking about how do we help people use NotebookLM to distribute knowledge? And that's, like, one of the most compelling use cases is, like, shared notebooks. It's, like, a way to share knowledge. How do we help people take sources and, like, one-click new documents out of it, right? And I think that's something that people think is, like, oh, yeah, of course, right? Like, one push a document. But what does it mean to do it right? Like, to do it in your style, in your brand, right?Raiza [00:25:08]: To follow your guidelines, stuff like that.Raiza [00:25:09]: So I think there's a lot of work, like, on both sides of that equation.Raiza [00:25:13]: Interesting.Swyx [00:25:13]: Any comments on the engineering side of things?Usama [00:25:16]: So, yeah, like I said, I was mostly working on building the text to audio, which kind of lives as a separate engineering pipeline, almost, that we then put into NotebookLM. But I think there's probably tons of NotebookLM engineering war stories on dealing with sources. And so I don't work too closely with engineers directly. But I think a lot of it does come down to, like, Gemini's native understanding of images really well with the latest generation.Raiza [00:25:39]: Yeah, I think on the engineering and modeling side, I think we are a really good example of a team that's put a product out there, and we're getting a lot of feedback from the users, and we return the data to the modeling team, right? To the extent that we say, hey, actually, you know what people are uploading, but we can't really support super well?Raiza [00:25:56]: Text plus image, right?Raiza [00:25:57]: Especially to the extent that, like, NotebookLM can handle up to 50 sources, 500,000 words each. Like, you're not going to be able to jam all of that into, like, the context window. So how do we do multimodal embeddings with that? There's really, like, a lot of things that we have to solve that are almost there, but not quite there yet.Alessio [00:26:16]: On then turning it into audio, I think one of the best things is it has so many of the human... Does that happen in the text generation that then becomes audio? Or is that a part of, like, the audio model that transforms the text?Usama [00:26:27]: It's a bit of both, I would say. The audio model is definitely trying to mimic, like, certain human intonations and, like, sort of natural, like, breathing and pauses and, like, laughter and things like that. But yeah, in generating, like, the text, we also have to sort of give signals on, like, where those things maybe would make sense.Alessio [00:26:45]: And on the input side, instead of having a transcript versus having the audio, like, can you take some of the emotions out of it, too? If I'm giving, like, for example, when we did the recaps of our podcast, we can either give audio of the pod or we can give a diarized transcription of it. But, like, the transcription doesn't have some of the, you know, voice kind of, like, things.Raiza [00:27:05]: Yeah, yeah.Alessio [00:27:05]: Do you reconstruct that when people upload audio or how does that work?Raiza [00:27:09]: So when you upload audio today, we just transcribe it. So it is quite lossy in the sense that, like, we don't transcribe, like, the emotion from that as a source. But when you do upload a text file and it has a lot of, like, that annotation, I think that there is some ability for it to be reused in, like, the audio output, right? But I think it will still contextualize it in the deep dive format. So I think that's something that's, like, particularly important is, like, hey, today we only have one format.Raiza [00:27:37]: It's deep dive.Raiza [00:27:38]: It's meant to be a pretty general overview and it is pretty peppy.Raiza [00:27:42]: It's just very upbeat.Raiza [00:27:43]: It's very enthusiastic, yeah.Raiza [00:27:45]: Yeah, yeah.Raiza [00:27:45]: Even if you had, like, a sad topic, I think they would find a way to be, like, silver lining, though.Raiza [00:27:50]: Really?Raiza [00:27:51]: Yeah.Raiza [00:27:51]: We're having a good chat.Raiza [00:27:54]: Yeah, that's awesome.Swyx [00:27:54]: One of the ways, many, many, many ways that deep dive went viral is people saying, like, if you want to feel good about yourself, just drop in your LinkedIn. Any other, like, favorite use cases that you saw from people discovering things in social media?Raiza [00:28:08]: I mean, there's so many funny ones and I love the funny ones.Raiza [00:28:11]: I think because I'm always relieved when I watch them. I'm like, haha, that was funny and not scary. It's great.Raiza [00:28:17]: There was another one that was interesting, which was a startup founder putting their landing page and being like, all right, let's test whether or not, like, the value prop is coming through. And I was like, wow, that's right.Raiza [00:28:26]: That's smart.Usama [00:28:27]: Yeah.Raiza [00:28:28]: And then I saw a couple of other people following up on that, too.Raiza [00:28:32]: Yeah.Swyx [00:28:32]: I put my about page in there and, like, yeah, if there are things that I'm not comfortable with, I should remove it. You know, so that it can pick it up. Right.Usama [00:28:39]: I think that the personal hype machine was, like, a pretty viral one. I think, like, people uploaded their dreams and, like, some people, like, keep sort of dream journals and it, like, would sort of comment on those and, like, it was therapeutic. I didn't see those.Raiza [00:28:54]: Those are good. I hear from Googlers all the time, especially because we launched it internally first. And I think we launched it during the, you know, the Q3 sort of, like, check-in cycle. So all Googlers have to write notes about, like, hey, you know, what'd you do in Q3? And what Googlers were doing is they would write, you know, whatever they accomplished in Q3 and then they would create an audio overview. And these people they didn't know would just ping me and be like, wow, I feel really good, like, going into a meeting with my manager.Raiza [00:29:25]: And I was like, good, good, good, good. You really did that, right?Usama [00:29:29]: I think another cool one is just, like, any Wikipedia article. Yeah. Like, you drop it in and it's just, like, suddenly, like, the best sort of summary overview.Raiza [00:29:38]: I think that's what Karpathy did, right? Like, he has now a Spotify channel called Histories of Mysteries, which is basically, like, he just took, like, interesting stuff from Wikipedia and made audio overviews out of it.Swyx [00:29:50]: Yeah, he became a podcaster overnight.Raiza [00:29:52]: Yeah.Raiza [00:29:53]: I'm here for it. I fully support him.Raiza [00:29:55]: I'm racking up the listens for him.Swyx [00:29:58]: Honestly, it's useful even without the audio. You know, I feel like the audio does add an element to it, but I always want, you know, paired audio and text. And it's just amazing to see what people are organically discovering. I feel like it's because you laid the groundwork with NotebookLM and then you came in and added the sort of TTS portion and made it so good, so human, which is weird. Like, it's this engineering process of humans. Oh, one thing I wanted to ask. Do you have evals?Raiza [00:30:23]: Yeah.Swyx [00:30:23]: Yes.Raiza [00:30:24]: What? Potatoes for chefs.Swyx [00:30:27]: What is that? What do you mean, potatoes?Raiza [00:30:29]: Oh, sorry.Raiza [00:30:29]: Sorry. We were joking with this, like, a couple of weeks ago. We were doing, like, side-by-sides. But, like, Raiza sent me the file and it was literally called Potatoes for Chefs. And I was like, you know, my job is really serious, but you have to laugh a little bit. Like, the title of the file is, like, Potatoes for Chefs.Swyx [00:30:47]: Is it like a training document for chefs?Usama [00:30:50]: It's just a side-by-side for, like, two different kind of audio transcripts.Swyx [00:30:54]: The question is really, like, as you iterate, the typical engineering advice is you establish some kind of test or benchmark. You're at, like, 30 percent. You want to get it up to 90, right?Raiza [00:31:05]: Yeah.Swyx [00:31:05]: What does that look like for making something sound human and interesting and voice?Usama [00:31:11]: We have the sort of formal eval process as well. But I think, like, for this particular project, we maybe took a slightly different route to begin with. Like, there was a lot of just within the team listening sessions. A lot of, like, sort of, like... Dogfooding.Raiza [00:31:23]: Yeah.Usama [00:31:23]: Like, I think the bar that we tried to get to before even starting formal evals with raters and everything was much higher than I think other projects would. Like, because that's, as you said, like, the traditional advice, right? Like, get that ASAP. Like, what are you looking to improve on? Whatever benchmark it is. So there was a lot of just, like, critical listening. And I think a lot of making sure that those improvements actually could go into the model. And, like, we're happy with that human element of it. And then eventually we had to obviously distill those down into an eval set. But, like, still there's, like, the team is just, like, a very, very, like, avid user of the product at all stages.Raiza [00:32:02]: I think you just have to be really opinionated.Raiza [00:32:05]: I think that sometimes, if you are, your intuition is just sharper and you can move a lot faster on the product.Raiza [00:32:12]: Because it's like, if you hold that bar high, right?Raiza [00:32:15]: Like, if you think about, like, the iterative cycle, it's like, hey, we could take, like, six months to ship this thing. To get it to, like, mid where we were. Or we could just, like, listen to this and be like, yeah, that's not it, right? And I don't need a rater to tell me that. That's my preference, right? And collectively, like, if I have two other people listen to it, they'll probably agree. And it's just kind of this step of, like, just keep improving it to the point where you're like, okay, now I think this is really impressive. And then, like, do evals, right? And then validate that.Swyx [00:32:43]: Was the sound model done and frozen before you started doing all this? Or are you also saying, hey, we need to improve the sound model as well? Both.Usama [00:32:51]: Yeah, we were making improvements on the audio and just, like, generating the transcript as well. I think another weird thing here was, like, we needed to be entertaining. And that's much harder to quantify than some of the other benchmarks that you can make for, like, you know, Sweebench or get better at this math.Swyx [00:33:10]: Do you just have people rate one to five or, you know, or just thumbs up and down?Usama [00:33:14]: For the formal rater evals, we have sort of like a Likert scale and, like, a bunch of different dimensions there. But we had to sort of break down what makes it entertaining into, like, a bunch of different factors. But I think the team stage of that was more critical. It was like, we need to make sure that, like, what is making it fun and engaging? Like, we dialed that as far as it goes. And while we're making other changes that are necessary, like, obviously, they shouldn't make stuff up or, you know, be insensitive.Raiza [00:33:41]: Hallucinations. Safety.Swyx [00:33:42]: Other safety things.Raiza [00:33:43]: Right.Swyx [00:33:43]: Like a bunch of safety stuff.Raiza [00:33:45]: Yeah, exactly.Usama [00:33:45]: So, like, with all of that and, like, also just, you know, following sort of a coherent narrative and structure is really important. But, like, with all of this, we really had to make sure that that central tenet of being entertaining and engaging and something you actually want to listen to. It just doesn't go away, which takes, like, a lot of just active listening time because you're closest to the prompts, the model and everything.Swyx [00:34:07]: I think sometimes the difficulty is because we're dealing with non-deterministic models, sometimes you just got a bad roll of the dice and it's always on the distribution that you could get something bad. Basically, how many do you, like, do ten runs at a time? And then how do you get rid of the non-determinism?Raiza [00:34:23]: Right.Usama [00:34:23]: Yeah, that's bad luck.Raiza [00:34:25]: Yeah.Swyx [00:34:25]: Yeah.Usama [00:34:26]: I mean, there still will be, like, bad audio overviews. There's, like, a bunch of them that happens. Do you mean for, like, the raider? For raiders, right?Swyx [00:34:34]: Like, what if that one person just got, like, a really bad rating? You actually had a great prompt, you actually had a great model, great weights, whatever. And you just, you had a bad output.Usama [00:34:42]: Like, and that's okay, right?Raiza [00:34:44]: I actually think, like, the way that these are constructed, if you think about, like, the different types of controls that the user has, right? Like, what can the user do today to affect it?Usama [00:34:54]: We push a button.Raiza [00:34:55]: You just push a button.Swyx [00:34:56]: I have tried to prompt engineer by changing the title. Yeah, yeah, yeah.Raiza [00:34:59]: Changing the title, people have found out.Raiza [00:35:02]: Yeah.Raiza [00:35:02]: The title of the notebook, people have found out. You can add show notes, right? You can get them to think, like, the show has changed. Someone changed the language of the output. Changing the language of the output. Like, those are less well-tested because we focused on, like, this one aspect. So it did change the way that we sort of think about quality as well, right? So it's like, quality is on the dimensions of entertainment, of course, like, consistency, groundedness. But in general, does it follow the structure of the deep dive? And I think when we talk about, like, non-determinism, it's like, well, as long as it follows, like, the structure of the deep dive, right? It sort of inherently meets all those other qualities. And so it makes it a little bit easier for us to ship something with confidence to the extent that it's like, I know it's going to make a deep dive. It's going to make a good deep dive. Whether or not the person likes it, I don't know. But as we expand to new formats, as we open up controls, I think that's where it gets really much harder. Even with the show notes, right? Like, people don't know what they're going to get when they do that. And we see that already where it's like, this is going to be a lot harder to validate in terms of quality, where now we'll get a greater distribution. Whereas I don't think we really got, like, varied distribution because of, like, that pre-process that Raiza was talking about. And also because of the way that we'd constrain, like, what were we measuring for? Literally, just like, is it a deep dive?Swyx [00:36:18]: And you determine what a deep dive is. Yeah. Everything needs a PM. Yeah, I have, this is very similar to something I've been thinking about for AI products in general. There's always like a chief tastemaker. And for Notebook LM, it seems like it's a combination of you and Steven.Raiza [00:36:31]: Well, okay.Raiza [00:36:32]: I want to take a step back.Swyx [00:36:33]: And Raiza, I mean, presumably for the voice stuff.Raiza [00:36:35]: Raiza's like the head chef, right? Of, like, deep dive, I think. Potatoes.Raiza [00:36:40]: Of potatoes.Raiza [00:36:41]: And I say this because I think even though we are already a very opinionated team, and Steven, for sure, very opinionated, I think of the audio generations, like, Raiza was the most opinionated, right? And we all, like, would say, like, hey, I remember, like, one of the first ones he sent me.Raiza [00:36:57]: I was like, oh, I feel like they should introduce themselves. I feel like they should say a title. But then, like, we would catch things, like, maybe they shouldn't say their names.Raiza [00:37:04]: Yeah, they don't say their names.Usama [00:37:05]: That was a Steven catch, like, not give them names.Raiza [00:37:08]: So stuff like that is, like, we all injected, like, a little bit of just, like, hey, here's, like, my take on, like, how a podcast should be, right? And I think, like, if you're a person who, like, regularly listens to podcasts, there's probably some collective preference there that's generic enough that you can standardize into, like, the deep dive format. But, yeah, it's the new formats where I think, like, oh, that's the next test. Yeah.Swyx [00:37:30]: I've tried to make a clone, by the way. Of course, everyone did. Yeah. Everyone in AI was like, oh, no, this is so easy. I'll just take a TTS model. Obviously, our models are not as good as yours, but I tried to inject a consistent character backstory, like, age, identity, where they work, where they went to school, what their hobbies are. Then it just, the models try to bring it in too much.Raiza [00:37:49]: Yeah.Swyx [00:37:49]: I don't know if you tried this.Raiza [00:37:51]: Yeah.Swyx [00:37:51]: So then I'm like, okay, like, how do I define a personality? But it doesn't keep coming up every single time. Yeah.Raiza [00:37:58]: I mean, we have, like, a really, really good, like, character designer on our team.Raiza [00:38:02]: What?Swyx [00:38:03]: Like a D&D person?Raiza [00:38:05]: Just to say, like, we, just like we had to be opinionated about the format, we had to be opinionated about who are those two people talking.Raiza [00:38:11]: Okay.Raiza [00:38:12]: Right.Raiza [00:38:12]: And then to the extent that, like, you can design the format, you should be able to design the people as well.Raiza [00:38:18]: Yeah.Swyx [00:38:18]: I would love, like, a, you know, like when you play Baldur's Gate, like, you roll, you roll like 17 on Charisma and like, it's like what race they are. I don't know.Raiza [00:38:27]: I recently, actually, I was just talking about character select screens.Raiza [00:38:30]: Yeah. I was like, I love that, right.Raiza [00:38:32]: And I was like, maybe there's something to be learned there because, like, people have fallen in love with the deep dive as a, as a format, as a technology, but also as just like those two personas.Raiza [00:38:44]: Now, when you hear a deep dive and you've heard them, you're like, I know those two.Raiza [00:38:48]: Right.Raiza [00:38:48]: And people, it's so funny when I, when people are trying to find out their names, like, it's a, it's a worthy task.Raiza [00:38:54]: It's a worthy goal.Raiza [00:38:55]: I know what you're doing. But the next step here is to sort of introduce, like, is this like what people want?Raiza [00:39:00]: People want to sort of edit the personas or do they just want more of them?Swyx [00:39:04]: I'm sure you're getting a lot of opinions and they all, they all conflict with each other. Before we move on, I have to ask, because we're kind of on this topic. How do you make audio engaging? Because it's useful, not just for deep dive, but also for us as podcasters. What is, what does engaging mean? If you could break it down for us, that'd be great.Usama [00:39:22]: I mean, I can try. Like, don't, don't claim to be an expert at all.Swyx [00:39:26]: So I'll give you some, like variation in tone and speed. You know, there's this sort of writing advice where, you know, this sentence is five words. This sentence is three, that kind of advice where you, where you vary things, you have excitement, you have laughter, all that stuff. But I'd be curious how else you break down.Usama [00:39:42]: So there's the basics, like obviously structure that can't be meandering, right? Like there needs to be sort of a, an ultimate goal that the voices are trying to get to, human or artificial. I think one thing we find often is if there's just too much agreement between people, like that's not fun to listen to. So there needs to be some sort of tension and build up, you know, withholding information. For example, like as you listen to a story unfold, like you're going to learn more and more about it. And audio that maybe becomes even more important because like you actually don't have the ability to just like skim to the end of something. You're driving or something like you're going to be hooked because like there's, and that's how like, that's how a lot of podcasts work. Like maybe not interviews necessarily, but a lot of true crime, a lot of entertainment in general. There's just like a gradual unrolling of information. And that also like sort of goes back to the content transformation aspect of it. Like maybe you are going from, let's say the Wikipedia article of like one of the History of Mysteries, maybe episodes. Like the Wikipedia article is going to state out the information very differently. It's like, here's what happened would probably be in the very first paragraph. And one approach we could have done is like maybe a person's just narrating that thing. And maybe that would work for like a certain audience. Or I guess that's how I would picture like a standard history lesson to unfold. But like, because we're trying to put it in this two-person dialogue format, like there, we inject like the fact that, you know, there's, you don't give everything at first. And then you set up like differing opinions of the same topic or the same, like maybe you seize on a topic and go deeper into it and then try to bring yourself back out of it and go back to the main narrative. So that's, that's mostly from like the setting up the script perspective. And then the audio, I was saying earlier, it's trying to be as close to just human speech as possible. I think was the, what we found success with so far.Raiza [00:41:40]: Yeah. Like with interjections, right?Raiza [00:41:41]: Like I think like when you listen to two people talk, there's a lot of like, yeah, yeah, right. And then there's like a lot of like that questioning, like, oh yeah, really?Raiza [00:41:49]: What did you think?Swyx [00:41:50]: I noticed that. That's great.Raiza [00:41:52]: Totally.Usama [00:41:54]: Exactly.Swyx [00:41:55]: My question is, do you pull in speech experts to do this? Or did you just come up with it yourselves? You can be like, okay, talk to a whole bunch of fiction writers to, to make things engaging or comedy writers or whatever, stand up comedy, right? They have to make audio engaging, but audio as well. Like there's professional fields of studying where people do this for a living, but us as AI engineers are just making this up as we go.Raiza [00:42:19]: I mean, it's a great idea, but you definitely didn't.Raiza [00:42:22]: Yeah.Swyx [00:42:24]: My guess is you didn't.Raiza [00:42:25]: Yeah.Swyx [00:42:26]: There's a, there's a certain field of authority that people have. They're like, oh, like you can't do this because you don't have any experience like making engaging audio. But that's what you literally did.Raiza [00:42:35]: Right.Usama [00:42:35]: I mean, I was literally chatting with someone at Google earlier today about how some people think that like you need a linguistics person in the room for like making a good chatbot. But that's not actually true because like this person went to school for linguistics. And according to him, he's an engineer now. According to him, like most of his classmates were not actually good at language. Like they knew how to analyze language and like sort of the mathematical patterns and rhythms and language. But that doesn't necessarily mean they were going to be eloquent at like while speaking or writing. So I think, yeah, a lot of we haven't invested in specialists in audio format yet, but maybe that would.Raiza [00:43:13]: I think it's like super interesting because I think there is like a very human question of like what makes something interesting. And there's like a very deep question of like what is it, right? Like what is the quality that we are all looking for? Is it does somebody have to be funny? Does something have to be entertaining? Does something have to be straight to the point? And I think when you try to distill that, this is the interesting thing I think about our experiment, about this particular launch is first, we only launched one format. And so we sort of had to squeeze everything we believed about what an interesting thing is into one package. And as a result of it, I think we learned it's like, hey, interacting with a chatbot is sort of novel at first, but it's not interesting, right? It's like humans are what makes interacting with chatbots interesting.Raiza [00:43:59]: It's like, ha ha ha, I'm going to try to trick it. It's like, that's interesting.Raiza [00:44:02]: Spell strawberry, right?Raiza [00:44:04]: This is like the fun that like people have with it. But like that's not the LLM being interesting.Raiza [00:44:08]: That's you just like kind of giving it your own flavor. But it's like, what does it mean to sort of flip it on its head and say, no, you be interesting now, right? Like you give the chatbot the opportunity to do it. And this is not a chatbot per se. It is like just the audio. And it's like the texture, I think, that really brings it to life. And it's like the things that we've described here, which is like, okay, now I have to like lead you down a path of information about like this commercialization deck.Raiza [00:44:36]: It's like, how do you do that?Raiza [00:44:38]: To be able to successfully do it, I do think that you need experts. I think we'll engage with experts like down the road, but I think it will have to be in the context of, well, what's the next thing we're building, right? It's like, what am I trying to change here? What do I fundamentally believe needs to be improved? And I think there's still like a lot more studying that we have to do in terms of like, well, what are people actually using this for? And we're just in such early days. Like it hasn't even been a month. Two, three weeks.Usama [00:45:05]: Three weeks.Raiza [00:45:06]: Yeah, yeah.Usama [00:45:07]: I think one other element to that is the fact that you're bringing your own sources to it. Like it's your stuff. Like, you know this somewhat well, or you care to know about this. So like that, I think, changed the equation on its head as well. It's like your sources and someone's telling you about it. So like you care about how that dynamic is, but you just care for it to be good enough to be entertaining. Because ultimately they're talking about your mortgage deed or whatever.Swyx [00:45:33]: So it's interesting just from the topic itself. Even taking out all the agreements and the hiding of the slow reveal. I mean, there's a baseline, maybe.Usama [00:45:42]: Like if it was like too drab. Like if someone was reading it off, like, you know, that's like the absolute worst.Raiza [00:45:46]: But like...Swyx [00:45:47]: Do you prompt for humor? That's a tough one, right?Raiza [00:45:51]: I think it's more of a generic way to bring humor out if possible. I think humor is actually one of the hardest things. Yeah.Raiza [00:46:00]: But I don't know if you saw...Raiza [00:46:00]: That is AGI.Swyx [00:46:01]: Humor is AGI.Raiza [00:46:02]: Yeah, but did you see the chicken one?Raiza [00:46:03]: No.Raiza [00:46:04]: Okay. If you haven't heard it... We'll splice it in here.Swyx [00:46:06]: Okay.Raiza [00:46:07]: Yeah.Raiza [00:46:07]: There is a video on Threads. I think it was by Martino Wong. And it's a PDF.Raiza [00:46:16]: Welcome to your deep dive for today. Oh, yeah. Get ready for a fun one. Buckle up. Because we are diving into... Chicken, chicken, chicken. Chicken, chicken. You got that right. By Doug Zonker. Now. And yes, you heard that title correctly. Titles. Our listener today submitted this paper. Yeah, they're going to need our help. And I can totally see why. Absolutely. It's dense. It's baffling. It's a lot. And it's packed with more chicken than a KFC buffet. What? That's hilarious.Raiza [00:46:48]: That's so funny. So it's like stuff like that, that's like truly delightful, truly surprising.Raiza [00:46:53]: But it's like we didn't tell it to be funny.Usama [00:46:55]: Humor is contextual also. Like super contextual is what we're realizing. So we're not prompting for humor, but we're prompting for maybe a lot of other things that are bringing out that humor.Alessio [00:47:04]: I think the thing about ad-generated content, if we look at YouTube, like we do videos on YouTube and it's like, you know, a lot of people like screaming in the thumbnails to get clicks. There's like everybody, there's kind of like a meta of like what you need to do to get clicks. But I think in your product, there's no actual creator on the other side investing the time. So you can actually generate a type of content that is maybe not universally appealing, you know, at a much, yeah, exactly. I think that's the most interesting thing. It's like, well, is there a way for like, take Mr.Raiza [00:47:36]: Beast, right?Alessio [00:47:36]: It's like Mr. Beast optimizes videos to reach the biggest audience and like the most clicks. But what if every video could be kind of like regenerated to be closer to your taste, you know, when you watch it?Raiza [00:47:48]: I think that's kind of the promise of AI that I think we are just like touching on, which is, I think every time I've gotten information from somebody, they have delivered it to me in their preferred method, right?Raiza [00:47:59]: Like if somebody gives me a PDF, it's a PDF.Raiza [00:48:01]: Somebody gives me a hundred slide deck, that is the format in which I'm going to read it. But I think we are now living in the era where transformations are really possible, which is, look, like I don't want to read your hundred slide deck, but I'll listen to a 16 minute audio overview on the drive home. And that, that I think is, is really novel. And that is, is paving the way in a way that like maybe we wanted, but didn'tRaiza [00:48:24]: expect.Raiza [00:48:25]: Where I also think you're listening to a lot of content that normally wouldn't have had content made about it. Like I watched this TikTok where this woman uploaded her diary from 2004.Raiza [00:48:36]: For sure, right?Raiza [00:48:36]: Like nobody was goin

Episode 90 with Brian Delatorre, professional skateboarder from Miami, Florida.Together we discussed his life and career, from growing up in Miami and picking up his first board in 1999 to moving to San Francisco at the age of 19 and spending the following 15+ years between SF and New York City while traveling all around the world with the help of his various sponsors, turning pro for Habitat Skateboards in 2013, developing a strong interest in photography, moving back to Miami in 2023 with his family and much more through surprise questions from friends of his.(00:13) – Intro(01:13) – Danny Fuenzalida(45:59) – Jake Rupp(48:17) – Lucian Moon(58:12) – Evan Smith (01:08:34) – Marius Syvanen(01:14:01) – Jason Henry (01:24:30) – Kevin Métallier(01:33:36) – Joe Brook(01:37:09) – Zac Coyne(01:40:10) – Chewy Cannon(01:42:55) – Jaime Owens(01:45:19) – Danny Montoya (01:47:01) – Andrew Caulfield aka Ando(01:51:04) – Alex Papke(01:55:16) – Silas Baxter Neal(02:02:50) – Josh Stewart(02:04:52) – Brad Cromer(02:24:12) – Aaron Herrington(02:39:46) – Matt Rodriguez (02:46:58) – ConclusionFor more information and resources: https://linktr.ee/beyondboardsHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Stories we're following this morning at Progress Texas: Ken Paxton tries - and fails - to get a rubber stamp from the new 15th Court of Appeals in his fight to stop the State Fair of Texas from banning guns from its event, which starts Friday: https://www.texastribune.org/2024/09/24/ken-paxton-state-fair-gun-ban-appeals-court/ Second Gentleman Doug Emhoff is on a swing through Texas, raising $1 million in Austin alongside tour guide Beto O'Rourke: https://www.texastribune.org/2024/09/24/doug-emhoff-beto-orourke-whataburger-texas-austin/ A small group of right wing activists in Texas have been submitting thousands of voter registration challenges: https://www.keranews.org/government/2024-09-25/voter-registration-challenges-texas-tarrant-dallas-collin-denton Texas House Reps John Bucy, Gina Hinojosa and Sheryl Cole joined Evan Smith for a discussion at the LBJ School at the University of Texas yesterday: https://thedailytexan.com/2024/09/24/texas-house-democrats-discuss-voter-suppression-affordability-in-lbj-conversations-series/ Willie Nelson, in a "joint" video with Margo Price, gives a hearty endorsement to Colin Allred: https://x.com/ProgressTX/status/1838914038010388563 ...Polling continues to show a VERY tight race between Allred and Cruz: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/24/ted-cruz-collin-allred-texas-senate-race-polls/75364884007/ Progress Texas staffers appreciate the invitation to a screening in Austin last night of the new documentary Zurawski v Texas: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/story/abortion-documentary-telluride-awards-insider ...Co-Executive Producer Chelsea Clinton talks about the film: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2358709311157415 See Progress Texas' guide to fun events happening across the state during National Hispanic Heritage Month, which continues through October 15: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://progresstexas.org/blog/celebrating-texas-culture-national-hispanic-heritage-month⁠⁠⁠⁠ See Progress Texas' analysis of Project 2025, and what it will mean for Texas should it be enacted: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://progresstexas.org/blog/project-2025-vs-progress-2025⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ...And a complete guide to Project 2025 from Media Matters: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.mediamatters.org/heritage-foundation/guide-project-2025-extreme-right-wing-agenda-next-republican-administration⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The deadline to register for the November election is October 7. Are you registered? Are you sure? ALL Texas voters should confirm their registration, right now: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://govotetexas.org/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ...Please pitch in to help fund our recent expansion of that important voting resource with Hindi, Mandarin Chinese and Vietnamese translation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://progresstexas.org/blog/coming-soon-govotetexasorg-adds-commonly-spoken-languages-increase-ballot-access⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ And, our September membership drive is underway! We want to add 50 new members to the Progress Texas family in the form of regular monthly supporters at the $10, $25 or $50 level - if you join the team before the end of September, we'll hook you up with an exclusive invitation to our Holiday Party this December! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://progresstexas.org/donate⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Thanks for listening! Find our web store and other ways to support our important work this election year at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://progresstexas.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Evan Smith is the assistant golf coach at Georgia Tech. He has had an incredible journey to get where he is now. Go follow Evan on Instagram @Evan.k.smith The BSG Podcast is brought to you by Moon Golf. They offer golf equipment, apparel, fittings, re-gripping, and anything else you can think of. Go check out Moon Golf and see why their customer service is so highly rated. www.moongolf.com @moongolfshop Subscribe to the Be.Still Golf channel: / bestillgolf Follow along with Be.Still Golf Here: Instagram - / be.stillgolf Facebook - / be.stillgolf

In this episode of Building The Base, hosts Lauren Bedula and Hondo Geurts chat with Evan Smith, co-founder and CEO of Altana AI. Together, they explore how emerging technologies, particularly in artificial intelligence, are revolutionizing global supply chains and advancing national security. Evan shares his perspective on how AI can bridge critical gaps in supply chain visibility, ensure operational resilience, and provide competitive advantages for businesses and governments. This episode covers technology, defense, or logistics, and provides valuable insights into the future of AI-driven supply chains and their implications for security and commerce.Key Topics Discussed : AI for Global Supply Chain ResilienceImportance of Public-Private PartnershipsBuilding Trust with AIAI's Role in National SecurityThe Future of Supply Chain Technology

Living with the unpredictability of MS sometimes feels like riding a rollercoaster. As you experience the twists and turns of life with MS, you can sometimes feel unmoored from the person you thought you were. You can sense your priorities, motivations, and values shifting. And, in those moments, it becomes easy to lose your sense of purpose.   Clinical assistant professor and rehabilitation psychologist at the University of Michigan, Dr. Evan Smith, joins me to discuss how to identify and reconnect with your core values and live a more purposeful and satisfying life.  We'll also tell you about Creating Order, an art exhibit featuring 12 artists living with MS. (Don't miss our conversation with the co-curators and lead artist in this unique exhibit!)  And we're sharing the details of MS Stand Up, a night of comedy and cocktails at the Gotham Comedy Club. We have a lot to talk about! Are you ready for RealTalk MS??! This Week: Greetings from ECTRIMS!  :22 Our 7th anniversary is one week away!  2:00 Coming Up: The importance of staying connected to your core values  2:30 Creating Order art exhibit features 12 artists living with MS  3:35 My conversation with Creating Order co-curators Pam Schoenberg and Ted Meyer, and lead artist, Susan Trachman  4:27 MS Stand Up is happening September 30 at the Gotham Comedy Club    15:24 Dr. Evan Smith discusses how to lead a purposeful life while living with MS  16:54 Share this episode  33:17 Have you downloaded the free RealTalk MS app?  33:38 SHARE THIS EPISODE OF REALTALK MS Just copy this link & paste it into your text or email: https://realtalkms.com/368 ADD YOUR VOICE TO THE CONVERSATION I've always thought about the RealTalk MS podcast as a conversation. And this is your opportunity to join the conversation by sharing your feedback, questions, and suggestions for topics that we can discuss in future podcast episodes. Please shoot me an email or call the RealTalk MS Listener Hotline and share your thoughts! Email: jon@realtalkms.com Phone: (310) 526-2283 And don't forget to join us in the RealTalk MS Facebook group! LINKS If your podcast app doesn't allow you to click on these links, you'll find them in the show notes in the RealTalk MS app or at www.RealTalkMS.com Creating Order exhibit at the DNJ Gallery https://dnjgallery.net MS Stand Up https://msstandup.org Join the RealTalk MS Facebook Group https://facebook.com/groups/realtalkms Download the RealTalk MS App for iOS Devices https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/realtalk-ms/id1436917200 Download the RealTalk MS App for Android Deviceshttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tv.wizzard.android.realtalk Give RealTalk MS a rating and review http://www.realtalkms.com/review Follow RealTalk MS on Twitter, @RealTalkMS_jon, and subscribe to our newsletter at our website, RealTalkMS.com. RealTalk MS Episode 368 Guests: Pam Schoenberg, Ted Meyer, Susan Trachman, Dr. Evan Smith Privacy Policy

We are proud to have this episode presented by Disc Golf 978 USE CODE "welove978" at checkout for 5% off your entire order! https://discgolf978.com #ad POP DROP LOCK segment presented by Hooligan Discs! Use code STANCE10 for 10% off your order! https://hooligandiscs.com/ #ad If you'd like to play along with us for POP DROP LOCK visit www.popdroplock.com and set up a free account and check out the rules and play! Prizes provided by Hooligan Discs following each DGPT Elite or PDGA Major unless otherwise specified. Subscribe for more videos! Podcast: https://soundcloud.com/user-133590777 iTunes Spotify Google Follow Us: https://www.instagram.com/thestaggeredstance http://facebook.com/thenickandmattshow https://mobile.twitter.com/thenickandmatt1 Music LIcense: LY0XEIIZ6CWSMDGO XRVZVZ7BAOBWP7DX 1YAVSUTMQNQBG9PA KTNCHLXZHCSSWHNT

We, as the admin team at S2S, met virtually to have another Roundtable discussion. We discussed some of the latest happenings, reflect on things such as the recent Kingdom Fellowship Weekend, and have a guest on to hear his story. Evan Smith joined us to tell his story about journeying into the kingdom of God and with fellowship with other kingdom minded folks.

From an undrafted rookie free agent that made the squad to a 10 year NFL career and a Super Bowl ring to prove it, former Green Bay Packers offensive lineman Evan Smith has expereinced quite a bit in his career. And now, he's giving back in a way few would have ever thought... he's the head coach of Manitowoc Lincoln High School's football team here in Wisconsin!Join us as we go Inside Wisconsin with Packers Super Bowl Champion Evan Smith! YouTube.com/InsideWisconsin & wherever you listen to podcasts.

Have you ever wondered how introverts can leverage their unique strengths to become more productive and balanced in their daily lives?In this episode of The Quiet And Strong Podcast, host David Hall is joined by Wesley Evan Smith, a mindful productivity coach and founder of the Mindful Productivity Academy. Wesley shares invaluable insights into the importance of recognizing introverted personalities and how embracing these traits can lead to tremendous personal and professional growth.What You'll Learn:- How to manage energy levels across physical, emotional, cognitive, and creative domains to achieve peak productivity.- Effective methods for digital organization to manage projects and tasks efficiently.- The significance of preparation and mindful engagement in navigating social interactions and public speaking.- Techniques for stretching your comfort zones and integrating mindfulness to tackle overwhelm and anxiety. This episode is a must-listen for anyone who identifies as an introvert or works closely with introverted individuals. Wesley's practical advice, grounded in both personal experience and professional expertise, offers actionable steps to harness the strengths of introversion. Whether you're looking to improve your public speaking, manage digital clutter, or achieve a balanced workflow, this episode provides essential guidance for transforming your productivity through mindful practices.Tune in, learn new strategies to enhance your productivity, and be strong.Episode Link: QuietandStrong.com/187- - - Wesley Evan Smith is a proud INFJ and a passionate advocate for the empowerment of introverts to rise and thrive through the practice of Mindful Productivity. He's a Mindful Productivity Coach for Introverts and founder of the Mindful Productivity Academy.Connect with Wes:Website: WesleyEvanSmith.comSocials: Youtube |  LinkedIn- - -Contact the Host of the Quiet and Strong Podcast:David Hall Author, Speaker, Educator, Podcaster quietandstrong.comGobio.link/quietandstrongdavid [at] quietandstrong.com Take the FREE Personality Assessment: Typefinder Personality Assessment Follow David on your favorite social platform: Twitter | Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Youtube Get David's book:Minding Your Time: Time Management, Productivity, and Success, Especially for Introverts You may also like:Quiet & Strong Merchandise

Send Everyday AI and Jordan a text messageWin a free year of ChatGPT or other prizes! Find out how.Supply chains impact everything. And AI is impacting our supply chain at every level. So what's it all mean for the future of the products we use every day and the supply chains that make it all possible? Evan Smith, CEO and Co-Founder of Altana joins us to discuss. Newsletter: Sign up for our free daily newsletterMore on this Episode: Episode PageJoin the discussion: Ask Jordan questions and Evan questions on supply chain and AIUpcoming Episodes: Check out the upcoming Everyday AI Livestream lineupWebsite: YourEverydayAI.comEmail The Show: info@youreverydayai.comConnect with Jordan on LinkedInTopics Covered in This Episode:1. Importance of Supply Chain2. Implication of AI in Supply Chain3. Value Chain and AI Integration4.  AI Addressing Industry Challenges5. Impacts of COVID-19 on Supply Chains and Role of AITimestamps:01:55 Daily AI news05:00 About Evan and Altana08:23 Outsourced supply chain is fragile, strategically important.10:38 AI revolutionizes supply chain data analysis.16:26 Automation will change work, focusing on value.17:58 Impacts of industry on supply chain future.23:57 COVID and generative AI's impact on supply chain.26:42 Supplier diversity can mean redundancy or workforce equality.30:37 Global businesses need to rethink supply chains.32:10 Reframe the AI conversation for positive outcomes.Keywords:Evan Smith, outsourced just-in-time supply chain, global supply chain network, carbon footprint, national security, China's control of critical minerals, paper-based to digitized supply chain, AI technology, large language models, trace origin of products, forced labor, business interruptions, customs and trade compliance, supplier diversity strategy, workforce and human rights evaluation, actively managed value chain network, generative AI, change of nature of work, automation, repetitive tasks, data processing, business interruption risk exposure, COVID-19 pandemic, Jordan Wilson, Everyday AI Show, Microsoft, OpenAI, Conde Nast, Altana, fabric of the world's physical economy. Get more out of ChatGPT by learning our PPP method in this live, interactive and free training! Sign up now: https://youreverydayai.com/ppp-registration/

We have only a tantalizingly small number of sources of information about the Earth's deep mantle. One of these comes from the rare diamonds that form at depths of about 650 km and make their way up to the base of the lithosphere, and then later to the surface via rare volcanic eruptions of kimberlite magma. In the podcast, Evan Smith talks about a new class of large gem-quality deep-mantle diamonds that he and his coworkers discovered in 2016. Inclusions within these diamonds serve as messenger capsules from the deep mantle. They show an unmistakable genetic link to subducted oceanic slabs, and thus give us clues as to what happens to subducted slabs as the pass through the lower mantle transition zone. Evan Smith is a Senior Research Scientist at the Gemological Institute of America, New York.

Evan Smith of Altana talks about his mission to fix globalization; the role of AI in making data actionable; & the changing face of supply chain visibility.   IN THIS EPISODE WE DISCUSS:   [06.59] Evan's early fascination with global issues, and how that curiosity, combined with his unwavering work ethic, ignited a passion that has driven his career and led him to co-found Altana. “I was kind of a weird kid, focused on big global issues – I actually wrote my high school senior thesis on the impending collapse of globalization… I was really curious about how the world works.” [11.07] From geopolitical consequences to environmental and social impacts, how globalization has gone wrong; and Altana's mission to fix it. “The side effects, and unintended consequences of globalization, have resulted in its demise.” [17.30] Exactly what a value chain is; an overview of Altana and what they do; and how Altana's Value Chain Management System is helping them to work towards a vision of better global commerce for everyone. “We need to create a ‘Google Maps' of the world's supply chain. There needs to be a common operating picture that everyone taps into, and you can only get so far with commercially purchasable data.” [25.55] The ideal client for Altana, and how a variety of different organizations can leverage Altana's data and tools to meet their needs. “The blessing and the curse of Altana is that we can do so much for so many!” [32.20] The changing face of supply chain and logistics visibility; how Altana are achieving more than twice the supply chain visibility of any other provider; and how organizations can translate that data into actionable insights. “An outsourced just-in-time supply chain is only efficient when things are stable.” [38.19] AI; its vital role in making data accessible and actionable; and how Altana utilizes active learning to make connections and create a single source of truth for customers. [44.22] A case study showing how Altana helped a global apparel brand tackle a huge issue with detained imports, helping the brand to reveal a hidden forced labor problem, take action to fix it, and collaborate within their organization to optimize and develop ways to manage their whole value chain, not just their buyer-supplier relationships. [52.14] The future for Altana.   RESOURCES AND LINKS MENTIONED:   Head over to Altana's website now to find out more and discover how they could help you too. You can also connect with Altana and keep up to date with the latest over on LinkedIn or X (Twitter), or you can connect with Evan on LinkedIn. If you enjoyed the show, and want to hear more about the power of data, check out Women In Supply Chain™: Procurement Leader, Stephany Lapierre on Using Supplier Data to Empower a More Connected, Diverse Supply Chain, Why Data, Focus and Follow-Through Are Shaping the Future of Supply Chain, or How To Leverage Your Logistics Data to Drive Demand.

Pat goes over the latest from Chiefs training camp, chats with Evan Smith of Tess' army, and dives into some Royals roster moves. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode 84 with Chris Colbourn, professional skateboarder and artist from San Diego, California. Together we discussed his life and career, from growing up and picking up his first board in Williston, Vermont to turning pro for Element Skateboards in 2019, joining the Worble team soon after and everything in between through surprise questions from friends of his: James Buchmann, Collin Hale, Mark Appleyard, Antonio Ciongoli, Tom Rohrer, Kyle Seidler, Tyler Surrey, Jordan Maxham, Jaime Owens, Tylre Wilcox, Jordan Taylor, Steve Mull, Chris Rooney aka Rhino, Rob Maynard, Nick Richards, Alex Wiktor, Ray Maté, Tom Mull, Jeff Mikut, Poppy Starr, Andy Dicker, Ira Ingram, Jackson Tupper, Mitch Buangsuwon, Evan Smith, Ben Colbourn and Chris Whitaker.(00:13) – Intro(01:13) – Chris life recap(04:20) – James Buchmann (08:54) – Collin Hale(13:34) – Mark Appleyard(16:11) – Antonio Ciongoli(20:40) – Tom Rohrer(25:45) – Kyle Seidler(29:21) – Tyler Surrey(33:41) – Jordan Maxham(34:29) – Jaime Owens(38:22) – Tylre Wilcox(41:44) – Jordan Taylor(46:57) – Steve Mull(49:12) – Chris Rooney aka Rhino(01:04:15) – Rob Maynard(01:04:59) – Nick Richards(01:08:18) – Alex Wiktor(01:14:03) – Ray Maté(01:16:24) – Tom Mull(01:18:18) – Jeff Mikut(01:23:13) – Poppy Starr(01:31:04) – Andy Dicker(01:35:57) – Ira Ingram(01:37:26) – Jackson Tupper(01:41:45) – Mitch Buangsuwon(01:47:44) – Evan Smith(01:50:49) – Ben Colbourn(01:52:15) – Chris Whitaker (02:02:55) - ConclusionFor more information and resources: https://linktr.ee/beyondboardsHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Gain strategic insights from industry visionaries on leveraging emerging technologies to transform global supply chain management in today's volatile business environment. Former US Customs Commissioner Alan Bersin and Altana CEO Evan Smith discuss how AI, federated data sharing, and value chain management are revolutionizing international trade operations. Main Points: AI and blockchain enable end-to-end supply chain mapping and compliance screening across multi-tier networks Public-private data sharing through federated models facilitates trusted collaboration on trade facilitation and enforcement Cross-functional integration ensures sourcing and procurement decisions consider compliance from design Leaders must reorient businesses around managing value chains instead of just suppliers to succeed in the 21st century Key Insights: "This permits new forms of interaction and partnership between governments and the private sector" - Alan Bersin "Compliance intelligence needs to be baked into sourcing decisions from the start" - Evan Smith Gain a strategic edge on competitors by learning how emerging technologies can streamline operations, enhance regulatory cooperation, and future-proof global trade strategies from these visionary thought leaders. Enjoy the show! Host: Andy Shiles: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshiles/  Host/Producer: Lalo Solorzano: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lalosolorzano/  Co-Producer: Mara Marquez: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mara-marquez-a00a111a8/ Show references: Evan Smith - https://www.linkedin.com/in/evan-smith-39516b8/  Alan Bersin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-bersin-315523177/ Altana AI - https://altana.ai/  Global Training Center - www.GlobalTrainingCenter.com Simply Trade Podcast - twitter.com/SimplyTradePod  Find us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@SimplyTradePod    Contact SimplyTrade@GlobalTrainingCenter.com or message @SimplyTradePod for: Advertising and sponsoring on Simply Trade Requests to be on the show as guest Suggest any topics you would like to hear about Simply Trade is not a law firm or an advisor. The topics and discussions conducted by Simply Trade hosts and guests should not be considered and is not intended to substitute legal advice. You should seek appropriate counsel for your own situation. These conversations and information are directed towards listeners in the United States for informational, educational, and entertainment purposes only and should not be In substitute for legal advice. No listener or viewer of this podcast should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on this podcast without first seeking legal advice from counsel. Information on this podcast may not be up to date depending on the time of publishing and the time of viewership. The content of this posting is provided as is, no representations are made that the content is error free. The views expressed in or through this podcast are those are the individual speakers not those of their respective employers or Global Training Center as a whole. All liability with respect to actions taken or not taken based on the contents of this podcast are hereby expressly disclaimed.  

Episode 81 with Evan Smith, professional skateboarder and musician from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Together we discussed his life and career, from his early years at Metro Skatepark in Orlando, Florida to starting Uma Landsleds (today Umaverse) in 2020 and everything in between through surprise questions from friends of his: Brian Delatorre, Jeff Pang, Danny Montoya, Kiah Harrington-Wymer, Jimmy Astleford, Mike Heikkila, Mark Stewart, Nick Garcia, Mary Grace Potts, Justin Reynolds, Ray Barbee, Chad Poore, Jacob Nuñez, Phil Zwijsen, Michael Sieben, Maura Moon, Chris Ray, John Petras aka Peach, Joey Pulsifer, Chris Colbourn, Shimrit Vavak, Michael Burnett, Nathaniel Russell, Mack Sharff, Mark Appleyard, Todd Larson, Chris Blake, Cole Mathews, Dave Hoang and Thomas Campbell.(00:13) – Intro(01:13) – Evan life recap (06:06) – Brian Delatorre (14:26) – Jeff Pang (20:10) – Danny Montoya(21:35) – Kiah Harrington-Wymer(24:31) – Jimmy Astleford(27:25) – Mike Heikkila (28:11) – Mark Stewart (31:14) – Nick Garcia(33:57) – Mary Grace Potts (36:01) – Justin Reynolds(37:19) – Ray Barbee(42:28) – Chad Poore (49:34) – Jacob Nuñez (50:25) – Phil Zwijsen(51:20) – Michael Sieben(56:23) – Maura Moon(57:57) – Chris Ray(59:41) – John Petras aka Peach(01:01:06) – Joey Pulsifer (01:01:51) – Chris Colbourn(01:06:07) – Shimrit Vavak(01:07:37) – Michael Burnett(01:08:34) – Nathaniel Russell (01:10:58) – Mack Sharff(01:13:24) – Mark Appleyard(01:14:53) – Todd Larson(01:20:23) – Chris Blake(01:21:19) – Cole Matthews(01:24:29) – Dave Hoang(01:26:44) – Thomas Campbell(01:36:02) – ConclusionFor more information and resources: https://linktr.ee/beyondboardsHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

In this week’s episode Andrew Pudewa and Julie Walker encourage parents and teachers to take time over the summer to hone their craft of teaching, focusing on The Great TWSS Adventure. Evan Smith, IEW Accreditation Specialist, shares more about this opportunity to work through Teaching Writing: Structure and Style® during the same time frame when others all over the globe are doing the same thing. Referenced Materials The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People® Habit 7: Sharpen the Saw® “Sharpen Your Saw with IEW Events and Resources” Nurturing Competent Communicators audio talk by Andrew Pudewa Virtual Teaching Writing: Structure and Style® The Great TWSS Adventure Teaching Writing: Structure and Style Structure and Style for Students Seminar Workbook Premium Membership Instructor Accreditation IEW YouTube channel If you have questions for Andrew, send them to podcast@IEW.comPerhaps your question will be answered at the next Ask Andrew Anything (AAA). If you have questions about IEW products or classes, contact customer service at 800.856.5815 or info@IEW.com

DESIGN, BUILD, AND MODIFY— In his mid-20s, Scott Dadich told his editor at Texas Monthly, Evan Smith, that he wanted his job.A move like that is a combination of arrogance, youth, and frankly, balls. But you should also know that Dadich is an engineer. And what do engineers do? Well, according to one definition in Merriam-Webster, they “skillfully or artfully arrange for an event or situation to occur.”Of course, you probably know Dadich as an art director and editor, but beyond the titles, he's the kind of guy who builds things, re-engineers them, re-configures them or, more importantly, thinks differently about them.To date, his life's work has been building magazines—marrying words and pictures and combining his love of math and engineering with an eye towards new, unforeseen outcomes in a long career that includes stints at the aforementioned Texas Monthly, and also Wired, Condé Nast Digital—yes, we'll talk iPads—Wired (again) and then on to his own agency, Godfrey Dadich Partners, where he is trying to engineer a new approach to advertising.As a rare creative who has helmed a magazine as an editor-in-chief and art director, Dadich has ideas about how to better create everything, from where digital and print sit in the ecosystem, to the makeup of an actual magazine, and even how teams should fit on the masthead. He has put these ideas to practice on the page, on the web, and also on the streams, in his award-winning Netflix series about the creative process Abstract: The Art of Design, which premiered in 2017.Our conversation with Scott, a rather long one for us, starts right now.—This episode is made possible by our friends at Mountain Gazette, Commercial Type, and Lane Press. Print Is Dead (Long Live Print!) is a production of Magazeum & MO.D ©2021–2024

The head of Stephens Inc.'s Energy practice told me he's got family offices investing in oil and gas.  I cried “bull shit, that's up there with UFOs, Bigfoot and pleasant ex-wives.”  Keith doth protest so I had him, Brad Nelson and Evan Smith on to convince me otherwise.  Cool discussion on family offices - how to find them, how they operate, how they view the energy world. 

Welcome to the Drag Drive Repeat EP 55 presented by Summit Racing Driven Racing Oils: Battle of the Streets: Postponed to April 14. Hardass 1000: David Gallimore, representing North Carolina, is currently on site and thoroughly enjoying the event. Rocky Mountain Race Week 2025: Exciting News: Stay tuned for updates on Rocky Mountain Race Week 2025! Live Show Recap: Group A and Group B competed over four days, followed by a day of relaxation and awards for averages. Late June is the target timeframe, with Tulsa hosting the event (Ennis, OKC, Flying H?). Summit Racing Updates: My Garage: Summit's My Garage platform is now live and accessible to all. Head over to summitracing.com to join the community. Evan Smith's Article: Check out Evan Smith's latest article about Sick Week on the On All Cylinders page for a comprehensive recap of the event. Additional Highlights: Dorey Stories on Sick the Mag: Explore captivating stories on Sick the Mag. Drag Racer's Dream Home: A drag racer's dream home is up for sale in South Carolina, boasting proximity to over nine drag strips and featuring spacious acreage and a well-equipped garage. Drag Drive Repeat Show Recap: Track Visits: Milan and Mokan emerged as the most visited tracks in 2024. Race Days: With over 120 drag and drive race days worldwide, comprising both race and tech days, 30% of the year will witness drag and drive racers hitting the tracks globally. Looking Ahead to 2025: Game-Changing Events: Anticipate a monumental shift in drag and drive racing in 2025, with Rocky Mountain Race Week combining events for a massive 600+ car drag and drive celebration. Stay tuned for updates on Havlik's FSC event, Sick the Mag's Fastest Street Car event, and HRDW's 20th-anniversary festivities.

Episode 76 with Marbie Miller, skateboarder and artist from Oakland, California. Together we discussed her life and career, from growing up in La Porte, Iowa where she picked up her first board at the age of 11 to turning pro for There Skateboards in 2020, her art practice, fingerboarding and much more through surprise questions from friends of hers: Jeff Cheung, Nick Lyle, Una Farrar, Shari White, Cher Strauberry, Tom Mull, Preston Moses Clopton, James Pitonyak, Darren Johnson, Shag, Ben Venom, Matt Price, Lorien Stern, Jae Matthews and Augustus Muller from Boy Harsher, Eunice Chang, Chris Colbourn, Andrew Schoultz, Kristin Ebeling, Evan Smith, Jaime Reyes, Carolina Rey, Victor Valdez, Akiko Scott aka Kiki, Katherine Hamilton, Jim Thiebaud and Jessyka Bailey.(00:13) – Intro (01:25) – Jeff Cheung shoutout (01:46) – Nick Lyle(04:46) – Una Farrar (06:25) – Shari White(07:14) – Cher Strauberry(09:10) – Tom Mull(09:33) – Preston Moses Clopton(11:32) – James Pitonyak (14:19) – Darren Johnson(16:13) – Shag (20:01) – Ben Venom(21:59) – Matt Price(23:28) – Lorien Stern(24:14) – Jae Matthews(27:34) – Augustus Muller(30:06) – Eunice Chang(30:58) – Chris Colbourn(34:32) – Andrew Schoultz(35:40) – Kristin Ebeling(36:39) – Evan Smith(37:40) – Jaime Reyes(39:50) – Carolina Rey(45:00) – Victor Valdez(46:06) – Akiko Scott aka Kiki(47:11) – Katherine Hamilton(48:57) – Jim Thiebaud(49:51) – Jessyka Bailey(55:09) – Upcoming projects(57:23) – ConclusionFor more information and resources: https://linktr.ee/beyondboardsHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

This week on Tour Life, Uli & Brodie talk to Texas States Champion Anniken Steen and MPO top 10 finisher Gavin Rathbun.Chapters:4:25 Brodie Uli Week Recap1:51:11 EDWIN STATS1:14:48 Texas States Championship1:31:46 FPO1:38:13 Trophy Rating1:41:15 I got roasted in our comments on Instagram1:49:02 Evan Smith had the craziest eagle you will ever see32:34 Gavin Rathbun Interview1:56:23 Manufacturer Cup1:57:13 Every course needs this1:58:35 Greatest Promotion for a Zuca cart2:00:01 Wild Story of the Week2:03:15 This Week in Foundation Disc Golf 2:06:12 Listener Questions2:19:50 Anniken Steen InterviewWatch the show live Tuesday nights at 8PM EST here: http://bit.ly/FoundationPodcasts

Evan Smith is Co-founder and Chief Technology Officer of Highland Park Technologies, a company focused on developing automated and cost effective ways to retrofit our built environment. As a licensed general contractor, creator, developer, and serial entrepreneur, shares his career journey moving through various roles and organizations to shape the world around us. The discussion touches on creating a culture of learning and adaptation, both personally and professionally, shifting focus to leaner approaches in design and building, and challenging assumptions to embrace innovation. https://www.hiparktech.com/ 00:00 Introduction to Evan and his career journey 03:02 Starting a business in landscape architecture 04:27 Transitioning to energy efficiency in housing 09:16 Lessons learned from the failure of Placetailor 16:22 Founding Highland Park Technologies 24:16 Partnership with architects and their strengths and weaknesses 28:19 The Impact of AI on Architecture 29:19 The Changing Job Landscape for Architects 30:41 The Role of AI in Architectural Design 32:04 Creating a Culture of Learning and Adaptation 33:31 Shifting Focus and Leaner Approaches in Architecture 34:51 Challenging Assumptions and Embracing Innovation 37:39 Improving Communication and Collaboration in the Construction Industry 38:06 Speaking the Same Language as Builders 41:16 Creating a Multidisciplinary Team 44:07 Balancing Creativity and Financial Realism 50:25 The Opportunity for Architects to Embrace New Technologies 54:04 Embracing Opportunities and Overcoming Biases MoPo Season 2 Schedule March 4 - Season Introduction with your hosts March 11 - Jacki Schaefer - ⁠⁠Career Coach⁠⁠ March 18 - Andrew Kao - Former VP at ⁠⁠CBRE Hana⁠⁠, Former VP at ⁠⁠Miller Knoll⁠⁠ March 25 - Evan Wiskup - Founder of [⁠⁠Wiskup Architecture⁠⁠] Co-founder of ⁠⁠neighbor⁠⁠ April 1 - Evan Smith - Co-founder of ⁠⁠Highland Park Technologies⁠⁠ April 8 - Zach Soflin - Founder & CEO of ⁠⁠Layer⁠⁠ April 15 - Brandon Hall - Founder of ⁠⁠BHA⁠⁠ Follow Us @ On ⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠ On ⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠ On ⁠⁠Youtube⁠⁠ On ⁠⁠Instagram⁠ On ⁠LinkedIn --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/most-podern/message

Evan Smith flies solo, recapping the Nittany Lions loss to the Indiana Hoosiers in the 2nd round of the Big Ten Tournament and a brief look at the unlikley postseason options for Penn State Basketball. Support the Show.Follow us on X @ShotsGottaFallLike us on Facebook at Shots Gotta Fall: The Penn State Basketball PodcastSend us an e-mail Shotsgottafallpod@gmail.comRate and review us and subscribe/follow Shots Gotta Fall wherever you download us every week!

Episode 73 with Thomas Campbell, skateboarder and multidisciplinary artist from Bonny Doon, California.Together we discussed his life and career, from him growing up in Dana Point, CA and picking up his first board in the late 70's to shooting photos, making zines, painting, sewing, making full-length skate and surf films and much more through surprise questions from life-long friends of his: Joe Lloyd aka “Xeno”, Max Schaaf, Damon Way, Julian Dykmans, Ed Templeton, Evan Smith, Dave Aron, Tobin Yelland, Sergej Vutuc, Sean Cliver, Eric Swisher, Chris Colbourn, Jaime Owens, Tommy Guerrero, Andre Razo, Andy Jenkins, Skin Phillips, Jai Tanju, Fred Mortagne, Madars Apse, Todd Francis, Benjamin Deberdt and Josh Stewart.(00:13) – Intro(01:25) – Joe Lloyd aka “Xeno”(04:36) – Max Schaaf(08:25) – Damon Way(10:19) – Julian Dykmans(12:57) – Ed Templeton(23:02) – Evan Smith(24:05) – Dave Aron(25:49) – Tobin Yelland(35:29) – Sergej Vutuc(38:52) – Sean Cliver(41:08) – Eric Swisher(41:49) – Chris Colbourn(45:52) – Jaime Owens(48:41) – Tommy Guerrero(50:27) – Andre Razo(54:35) – Andy Jenkins(56:45) – Skin Phillips(01:03:38) – Jai Tanju (01:05:06) – Fred Mortagne(01:11:15) – Madars Apse(01:12:06) – Todd Francis(01:14:23) – Benjamin Deberdt (01:27:32) – Josh Stewart(01:38:00) – ConclusionFor more information and resources: https://linktr.ee/beyondboards

Reigning XC2 Champ Liam Draper joins us to talk about his opening weekend of racing after earning a 2nd place finish in the XC2 class.  Then we are Joined by Evan Smith to talk about the debut of his XC1 career after earning a career best 5th place overall at the Big Buck GNCC!

CNN anchor Jake Tapper joins Evan Smith to discuss his new book, All the Demons Are Here: A Thriller, and journalism and news media's relationship with truth in the modern age.

Evan Smith is a content creator, passionate car enthusiast and racer. He is the former editor of Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords magazine/Mustang-360.com, and founder of REVan Media Inc. specializing in creating compelling, entertaining, and news-worthy print and web articles & video.When not creating outstanding content, he can be found drag racing, road racing, and serving as a factory test driver for Ford Motor Company on special projects including the Shelby GT350, Shelby GT500 and Cobra Jet Mustangs. Connect with Evan here:Email: ejs1798@gmail.comwww.facebook.com/evan.smith.9440Instagram: @REVanEvan_YTTwitter: @evan1320More about Youth Racers of America:https://youthracersofamerica.com/Connect with JP Emerson:Website: www.jpemerson.com Twitter: @The_JPEmersonEmail: jp@jpemerson.com For more podcasts on cars checkout Ford Mustang The Early Years Podcast at www.TheMustangPodcast.com or atApple Podcasts or anywhere you get your podcastsFor more information aboutsponsorship or advertising on The JP Emerson Show or podcast launch servicescontact Doug Sandler at doug@turnkeypodcast.com or visit www.turnkeypodcast.com

Former CEO of the Texas Tribune, Evan Smith, joins Steve to discuss the recent far-right radicalization of Texas politics, the state of local journalism, and how the Dobbs decision impacts communities across the country.

Buy Evan's book: https://www.routledge.com/No-Platform-A-History-of-Anti-Fascism-Universities-and-the-Limits-of-Free/Smith/p/book/9781138591684To commemorate the 87th anniversary of the Battle of Cable Street, we are joined by historian Evan Smith to discuss his history of No Platform, a tactic central to the history of British antifascism, the history of the Marxist Left in the UK, and the ongoing debates round media and the limits of free speech today. We discuss the origins of No Platforming as one of a plurality of antifascist tactics, we dispel the mythologies around critiques of the tactic taken up by elements of the British Media, and we confront the history of contrarian free speech absolutism on the Left: the story of the Revolutionary Communist Party and its reactionary reinvention as the Spiked/LM Network.Support the showSupport the podcast:Linktree: https://linktr.ee/acidhorizonAcid Horizon on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/acidhorizonpodcastZer0 Books and Repeater Media Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/zer0repeaterMerch: http://www.crit-drip.comOrder 'Anti-Oculus: A Philosophy of Escape': https://repeaterbooks.com/product/anti-oculus-a-philosophy-of-escape/Order 'The Philosopher's Tarot': https://repeaterbooks.com/product/the-philosophers-tarot/Subscribe to us on Apple Podcasts: https://tinyurl.com/169wvvhiHappy Hour at Hippel's (Adam's blog): https://happyhourathippels.wordpress.com​Revolting Bodies (Will's Blog): https://revoltingbodies.com​Split Infinities (Craig's Substack): https://splitinfinities.substack.com/​Music: https://sereptie.bandcamp.com/ and https://thecominginsurrection.bandcamp.com/

I'm back with more amazing artist interviews I did at Bumbershoot Arts and Music Festival in Seattle over Labor Day weekend and this episode couldn't be more fun. I start off with the amazing Valerie June -- Grammy-nominated artist, author, poet and yogi. He lighthearted spirit and zest for life is in full force, and she's here to talk to me about spreading joy, love and tapping into one's unique creative self. Next up is Courtney Taylor and Pete Holmström of The Dandy Warhols, who have been making their special brand of eclectic and enigmatic music for more than 25 years. We head down myriad roads -- veering off on multiple detours along the way -- in this compelling exploration of what it takes to continue to unlock new doors in the alternate musical universe they inhabit.I then sit down with Nigerian-born Canadian artist DEBBY FRIDAY, whose debut album released in March, GOOD LUCK, has propelled her into a new orbit. Debby talks to me about what an amazing and groundbreak year this has been and how taking her artistry on the road has helped her mature as an artist.I round out this exciting episode with Evan Smith of local Seattle band, The Dip. Evan came to Seattle to study music at the University of Washington where he met fellow his bandmates to form The Dip. I talk to Evan about how the band has developed moved from playing houseparties to embarking on national tours with Lake Street Dive and then touring Europe with the likes of Durand Jones. It's been an amazing ride!!For more information on Roadcase: https://linktr.ee/roadcasepod and https://www.roadcasepod.comContact: info@roadcasepod.comRoadcase theme music:  "Eugene (Instrumental)" by Waltzer

Lance talks with Evan Smith former editor of Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine and Ford Mustang development driver and racer along with Matt Laszaic with National Parts Depot and SEMA ARMO board about everything Mustang on this podcast. We dive into the the new s650 Mustang and thoughts about opinions on the looks and more from the engineer prospective behind it. Evan also just got back from the 2024 Dark Horse Mustang press drive event where he talks about driving the new 2024 Mustang around the track and how capable it is as well as his recent NMRA event and we talk about who is the most influential person in history as it relates to the Mustang. This is a Mustang podcast that should not be missed. This podcast is worthy of coverage on Donut Media, CarCast and Motor Trend. Channel Sponsors:National Parts Depot - https://www.npdlink.com/Kenny Brown Performance - https://kennybrown.com/Revan Evan YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@revanevanFoxbody FX YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8J1keu0ufh-xUIHgg7uvWAThanks, Lance Foxbody FX Mustang Podcast

Evan Smith aka: Revan Evan is the guest today on the Foxbody FX podcast. Evan has had quite the career in motorsports from drag racing to working with Ford on the GT350 and GT500 production teams to being the Editor of Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine in the 90's and early 2000's. Evan now has his own YouTube channel where he interviews Mustang and Ford celebrities and tests new vehicles and is working on the new 7.3 liter Godzilla engine for a cool drag race project car. Listen in and check him out online at the link below. Evan YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8JwGUQXvRcXaRAW08yn6RwChannel Sponsors National Parts Depot - https://www.npdlink.com/Kenny Brown Performance - https://kennybrown.com/Foxbody FX - https://linktr.ee/FoxbodyFX

** Trigger Warning: This podcast talks about suicide. If you are suicidal, please call/text/chat 988 ** My friends Dave and Kimi Martin join us to talk about their transgender son Levi who died of suicide in December of 2022 at the age of 17. Dave and Kimi (active LDS, Parents of 7, Live in Massachusetts) share their story of the journey to understand and then support their son. They do this to honor Levi and also to invite us to do better. They talk about their bright, intelligent son Levi—and their joint efforts to understand the cause of his emotional challenges which was finally understood to be being transgender. Even with that understanding they talk about how Levi—turning 18—was “terrified of how society treats transgender persons.” The Martins talk about the principle of “proximity” and the need to listen to and understand people different than how that helps us better love and support them. They talk about the heartache of losing a child, hopes on how we can do better to support queer people, and gratitude for the many acts/messages of support. I encourage everyone to listen to the Martin's story and share it with friends. Discuss it as families and ward/stake councils. Consider what we can do to follow the example of Jesus to better support those marginalized by society. Their story and Levi's life helps us better see, understand, love, and our transgender friends. Thank you, Dave and Kimi, for being on the podcast and sharing your story. On behalf of all of our listeners, thank you. And we love the Martin family and are so sorry Levi is gone. Podcast links: Facebook Post: https://www.facebook.com/dmartinine/posts/pfbid013xyRvZFBTaXeEarY1RK3RTAhZKVjh4kxhDyWDbN1A56MKNz3RkCXkU1dUj6aS2ml Obituary: https://www.tributearchive.com/obituaries/26743430/levi-martin Eulogy: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NTKWqxgZBamE5hnuh7XhcKm2WyMUjs_B/view?fbclid=IwAR1AtQiPUIoheXLQ9PIk-TS2TaQvoucim3Ww-P3JDf7ZxzfiQSCxj-cD32I Gordon Laws: Irreantum Article: https://irreantum.associationmormonletters.org/_20-1-i-can-take-or-leave-it/ Evan Smith's Crossroads: https://www.gayldscrossroads.org/ Ministering to LGBTQ Latter-day Saints Facebook Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/1433556613672143 Richard Ostler Book: Embracing LGBTQ Latter-day Saints: Deseret Book: www.deseretbook.com/p/listen-learn-and-love-embracing-lgbtq-latter-day-saints

 Evan Smith of The Texas Tribune discusses what it would take to turn Texas blue, and why the demographics of the state suggest the Dobbs decision may not be as much of a driving factor for Democratic votes as it is in other states. Then Nick Rathod, campaign manager for Beto O'Rourke, discusses the state of the Governor's race, what they are seeing on the ground and how they are tackling the need for big Democratic turnout. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Evan Smith rose through the ranks of Mormon leadership ultimately becoming a Stake Presidency member. While serving as an LDS Bishop, Evan struggled with the Church's positions on LGBTQ+ issues and later found out that his son Weston was gay. Even after coming out, Weston decided to serve an LDS Mission as an openly gay man, leading him to high levels of depression and heartbreaking experiences during and after coming back early from his mission. Evan became an advocate for LGBTQ people in the Church. His position as a Stake Presidency Counselor led him to a few confrontations/discussions with General Authorities and a later meeting at Church Headquarters where they discussed Evan's progressive beliefs on LGBTQ matters. Join John and Gerardo as they interview Evan and his son Weston about their fascinating Mormon Story. This is part 1 of a 3-part story. Episode Show Notes ===== Mormon Stories Thanks Our Generous Donors! Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: One-time or recurring donation through Donorbox Support us on Patreon Pick “Mormon Stories” as your charity on Amazon Smile or through the Amazon App  Our Platforms: Mormon Stories Blog Patreon Spotify Apple Podcasts Contact us: MormonStories@gmail.com  Mormon Stories Podcast PO Box 171085 Salt Lake City, UT 84117 Social Media: Insta: @mormstories Tiktok: @mormstories Join the Discord