Podcasts about Srebrenica

Slobodan Milosevic har sikret sig magten i Serbien, men hans ambitioner stopper ikke dér. Han vil nu brede sin magt ud over det øvrige Jugoslavien - og han vil gøre det med vold, hvis det er nødvendigt. Med allierede som den brutale Radovan Karadzic sætter han Balkan i flammer. Milosevic drømmer om serbisk dominans - men efterlader kun død og ødelæggelse. Krigen raser i Bosnien, hvor etnisk udrensning og belejringen af Sarajevo og Srebrenica bliver symboler på rædslerne. Research: Oskar Bundgaard. Tilrettelæggelse: Nicholas Durup Thomsen og Oskar Bundgaard. Fortæller: Nicholas Durup Thomsen. Soundtrack & lyddesign: Anton Færch. DR Redaktør: Anders Stegger. Produceret for P3 af MonoMono. Litteraturliste: Branson, Louise og Dusko doder(1999): Milosevic : portrait of a tyrant Cohen, Lenard J.(2000)Serpent in the bosom : the rise and fall of Slobodan Milosevic Donia, Robert J.(2015): Radovan Karadzic: Architect of the bosnian genocide Independent International Commission on Kosovo(2000): The Kosovo report : conflict, international response, lessons learned Lebor, Adam(2004): Milosevic: a biography Sell, Louis(2003): Slobodan Milosevic and the destruction of Yugoslavia

Alma Mustafić overleefde de genocide van Srebrenica, haar vader niet. Nu werkt zij als onderwijskundige en onderzoeker aan Hogeschool Utrecht met als expertise genocide en mensenrechten. Gijs en Mustafić spreken over de fases van genocide, het verwoorden van je boodschap en hoe ze als tiener de staat aansprakelijk stelde voor de dood van haar vader. Onze journalistiek steunen? Dat kan het beste met een (digitaal) abonnement op de Volkskrant, daarvoor ga je naar www.volkskrant.nl/podcastactie Presentatie: Gijs GroentemanRedactie en montage: Julia van AlemEindredactie: Corinne van DuinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Srbi sa Kosova došli su u kamp ispred Predsjedništva Srbije u Beogradu uoči velikog protesta 15. marta. Kako izgleda Srebrenica sedam dana nakon zatvaranja Memorijalnog centra? Da li se bliži prekid vatre u Ukrajini?

Eldin Smajlović is an artist and author born in Pristina to parents from Srebrenica. He grew up in Sarajevo during Yugoslavia's collapse where he witnessed the horrors of war. Later, he mastered geometry at art school and painting in the style of old masters. After he was expelled from the Academy of Sarajevo because of his outspoken views, including his defense of homosexuals, he moved to Sweden, learned the language, and studied at the Valand Academy. Now, through his YouTube channel The Immortal Art, he explores ancient art, history, and critiques postmodernism, advocating for timeless artistry. A published author, Eldin continues to celebrate traditional forms in a modern context.Find his channel on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/@TheImmortalArtListen to his podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/5QcBGAyT39RuUrV1GAP3HF?si=bccb7014cee84ba8 Follow him on X: https://x.com/theimmortalart Join his Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheImmortalArtPodcast/about ======== For more information on The Aesthetic City, find our website on https://theaestheticcity.com/ Love what we do? Become a patron! With your help we can grow this platform even further, make more content and hopefully achieve real, lasting impact for more beautiful cities worldwide. Visit our Patreon page here: https://www.patreon.com/the_aesthetic_city?fan_landing=trueWe are making an online course about urban planning! Join the waitlist here: https://theaestheticcity.com/aesthetic-city-academy/  Subscribe to our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@the_aesthetic_city Follow us on X: https://x.com/_Aesthetic_City Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the.aesthetic.city/ Substack: https://theaestheticcity.substack.com/ Get access to the Aesthetic City Knowledge Base: https://theaestheticcity.lemonsqueezy.com/checkout/buy/18809486-2532-4d91-90fd-f5c62775adec

Zašto su zaključani zgrada Agencije za istrage BiH u Banjaluci i Memorijalni centar Srebrenica? Šta građani Sarajeva i Doboja kažu o tenzijama u BiH? Kakva je budućnost KFOR-a na Kosovu? Grupa studenata u Beogradu traži prekid blokada fakulteta. Problem samoubistava u zatvorima u Crnoj Gori.

* Geert Wilders probeerde deze week de ruzie met zijn eigen staatssecretaris Ingrid Coenradie over haar gevangenisbeleid te sussen. Is de strijdbijl nu begraven en wat is haar oplossing? * Terwijl Trump en Poetin besluiten over het lot van Oekraïne, maakt Trump Zelenski uit voor 'dictator'. Hoe moet Nederland omgaan met de grote veranderingen op het wereldtoneel? Volgens D66-Kamerlid Jan Paternotte moeten we in ieder geval stoppen met treuzelen. * De BBB waarschuwt voor een mogelijk nieuw "Srebrenica-scenario". Oud-minister van Defensie ten tijde van Srebrenica, Joris Voorhoeve, reageert. * Politiek verslaggever Mats Akkerman ziet een onrustig Den Haag het voorjaarsreces in gaan. Café Kockelmann is een programma van Omroep WNL. Meer van WNL vind je op onze website en sociale media: ► Website: https://www.wnl.tv  ► Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/omroepwnl  ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/omroepwnl ► Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/wnlvandaag ► Steun WNL, word lid: https://www.steunwnl.tv ► Gratis Nieuwsbrief: https://www.wnl.tv/nieuwsbrief 

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Letos bo minilo 30 let od genocida v Srebrenici. Poleti leta 1995, dve leti potem, ko je bila Srebrenica označena kot varno območje Združenih narodov, je v tem majhnem mestu na vzhodu Bosne in Hercegovine bilo ubitih več kot 8.000 bošnjaških moških in dečkov. Kulturno-izobraževalni zavod Muslimanski kulturni center je kot opomnik na ta pretresljiv dogodek pripravil spominski program »8372 živih spominov«. V programu sodelujejo tudi partnerji iz Slovenije ter Bosne in Hercegovine, častna pokroviteljica pa je predsednica Republike Slovenije Nataša Pirc Musar. Spominski program so sinoči odprli v Cankarjevem domu v Ljubljani z razstavo Vesti, ki niso zbudile vesti. Novinar Ali Žerdin je zanjo izbral časopisne naslovnice in izrezke iz slovenskega, bosanskega in svetovnega tiska, ki so opozarjale na razmere v Bosni pred bližajočo se katastrofo v Srebrenici.

Müslüman müslümanın derdiyle dertlenmeli onun sıkıntılarına ortak olmalıdır. Gazze, Doğu Türkistan, Arakan, Somali ve daha pek çok yerde müslümanlar zor durumdadır Teknolojinin getirdiği kolaylıklarla oralara yardım etmek daha kolay hale gelmiş durumda. Önceden aylarca süren yolculuklar şimdi birkaç saatte yapılabilmektedir. Arakan'a gidenler, gitmeden önce bildiklerinin, gittikten sonra öğrendikleri yanında bir hiç olduğunu anlatmaktadır. Zorunlu göç ve katliamlar yüzünden ne ev kalmış, ne de aileler… Bugün Arakan'da yapılanlar, dün de Avrupa'nın ortasında Srebrenica'da yüzbinlerce müslümana yapılmıştı. Yani dünyanın neresinde olursa olsun, zulme hep müslümanlar muhatap olmaktadır. İnsan hakları savunucuları için “insan”ın ne anlama geldiği meselesi kritik bir sorudur. Nedense müslümanlara yapılan katliamlara, zulümlere, haksızlıklara uluslararası insan hakları savunucularının sesi çıkmadığı bir gerçektir. Tabii bu yaşananlarda sorumluluğu olan bir grup insan daha var: Müslümanlar. Zulüm coğrafyalarındaki katliamlara İslâm toplumları kayıtsız kaldıkça bu insanlık ayıbının sonu gelmeyeceğe benzemektedir. 1912'de Balkan savaşları esnasında, dünyanın her tarafındaki Müslümanlar gibi, Arakanlı Müslümanlar da para toplayarak Osmanlı Ordusu'na yardım etmişlerdi. II. Abdülhamid Han döneminde Osmanlı'nın Asya'daki faaliyetleri neticesinde, padişah Hindistan, Çin ve Myanmar Müslümanları arasında popüler olmuştu. 1897'de Türk-Yunan Savaşı çıkınca, Myanmarlıların dahil olduğu Asya'daki Müslümanlar hemen yardım toplayarak Türkiye'ye gönderdiler. Arakanlı Müslümanlara borcumuzu ödeyelim. Geçmişte her zaman yanımızda yer alan ve fakir hâllerine bakmadan bize yardım eden Arakanlı Müslümanların imdadına koşmalı ve onlara olan borcumuzu ödemeliyiz. Binlerce masum Arakanlı Müslüman'ın, cunta yönetimi ve Budist putperestler tarafından alçakça şehit edilmesi ve açlıktan ölmesi karşısında seyirci kalamayız. (Hasan Celal Güzel, 12.08.2012 Tarihli Köşe Yazısı)

Thirty years after the war in Bosnia, survivors and their descendants find themselves permanently displaced in their own country. BBC reporter Lauren Tavriger visits the Tuzla region where families fleeing atrocities, including the Srebrenica massacre, have been living for decades in makeshift settlements originally designed as temporary. She talks to families about their experience, discovering why traumatised people are still living in a state of internal exile and reports on controversial efforts by the Bosnian authorities to clear camps and rehouse their inhabitants.

What lessons can be drawn from the post-October 7 era? Amid growing isolation and antisemitism, where do opportunities for hope and resilience lie for the Jewish people? In a compelling discussion, AJC CEO Ted Deutch and Bernard-Henri Lévy—renowned French philosopher, public intellectual, and author of Israel Alone—explore these critical questions. Guest-hosted by AJC Paris Director Anne-Sophie Sebban-Bécache, this conversation offers insight into the challenges Jewish communities face and the possibilities for a brighter future. Listen – AJC Podcasts: The Forgotten Exodus: with Hen Mazzig, Einat Admony, and more. People of the Pod:  What's Next for the Abraham Accords Under President Trump? Honoring Israel's Lone Soldiers This Thanksgiving: Celebrating Service and Sacrifice Away from Home The ICC Issues Arrest Warrants: What You Need to Know Follow People of the Pod on your favorite podcast app, and learn more at AJC.org/PeopleofthePod You can reach us at: peopleofthepod@ajc.org If you've appreciated this episode, please be sure to tell your friends, and rate and review us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. __ Transcript of Conversation with Bernard-Henri Lévy and Ted Deutch: Manya Brachear Pashman: What lessons can be drawn from the post-October 7 era? Amid growing isolation and antisemitism, where do opportunities for hope and resilience lie for the Jewish people? I'm throwing it off to AJC Paris Director Anne-Sophie Sebban-Bécache to explore these critical questions. Anne-Sophie? Anne-Sophie Sebban-Bécache:  Thank you, Manya. Welcome everyone to today's special episode of People of the Pod. I'm sitting here in our office near the Eiffel Tower for a special and unique conversation between Ted Deutch AJC CEO and Bernard-Henri Lévy, one of the most, if not the most prominent French philosopher and public intellectuals. Bonjour. Bernard-Henri Lévy:  Bonjour. Hello. Anne-Sophie Sebban-Bécache:  Today, we will speak about loneliness, the loneliness of the Jewish people in Israel, the explosion of antisemitism in Europe and the United States, the attacks on Israel from multiple fronts since October 7. We will also speak about the loneliness of Western democracies, more broadly, the consequences of the US elections and the future for Ukraine and the European continent.  Bernard-Henri Lévy:, you've recently come back from a tour in the United States where you presented your latest book titled Israel Alone. Ted, you've just arrived in Europe to sound again the alarm on the situation of Jewish communities on this continent after the shocking assault on Israeli soccer fans in Amsterdam. Israel alone, the diaspora alone, actually the Jewish people, or Am Yisrael alone. As if Israel and Jews all over the world have merged this year over a common sense of loneliness.  So I ask the question to both of you, are we alone? Bernard, let's start with you. Bernard-Henri Lévy:  I am back from a campus tour in the United States of America. I went in USC, in UCLA, in Columbia, in Ohio, University in Michigan. I was in many places, and in these places, in the campuses, it's not even a question. The loneliness is terrible. You have Jewish students, brave, resilient, who have to face every day humiliation, provocations, attacks, sometimes physical attacks. And who feel that, for the first time, the country in the world, America, which was supposed to be immune to antisemitism. You know, we knew about antisemitism in Europe. We knew about antisemitism in the rest of the world.  But in America, they discovered that when they are attacked, of course there is support. But not always from their teachers, not always from the boards of the universities, and not always from the public opinion. And what they are discovering today in America is that, they are protected, of course, but not as it was before unconditionally. Jews in America and in Europe are supposed to be protected unconditionally.  This is minimum. Minimum in France, since French Revolution, in America, since the Mayflower. For the first time, there are conditions. If you are a right wing guy, you say, I protect you if you vote for me. If you don't vote, you will be guilty of my loss, and you will be, and the state will disappear in a few years. So you will be no longer protected. You are protected under the condition that you endorse me. On the left. You have people on the left wing side, people who say you are protected under condition that you don't support Israel, under condition that you take your distance with Zionism, under condition that you pay tribute to the new dark side who say that Netanyahu is a genocide criminal and so on. So what I feel, and not only my feeling, is the feeling of most of the students and sometimes teachers whom I met in this new situation of conditional security and support, and this is what loneliness means in America.  Anne-Sophie Sebban-Bécache:  Thank you, Bernard. How about you, Ted? Ted Deutch:  Well, it's interesting. First of all, thank you Anne-Sophie, and Bernard, it's an honor to be in conversation with you. It's interesting to hear you talk about America. Your observations track very closely. The comments that I've heard since being in Europe from students in the UK, and from students here who, speaking about America, tell me that their conclusion is that whatever the challenges they face here and the challenges are real, that they feel fortunate to be in university in Europe rather than in the United States.  But the point that you make that's so important everywhere, is this sense that it's not only the Jewish community that expects to have unconditional security. For the Jewish community now, it feels as if expecting that security, the freedom to be able on college campuses, the freedom to be able to pursue their studies and grow intellectually and have different experiences.  That when that security is compromised, by those who wish to exclude Jews because they support Israel, for those who wish to tag every Jewish student as a genocidal baby killer, that when those positions are taken, it's the loneliness stems from the fact that they're not hearing from the broader community, how unacceptable that behavior is. That it's become too easy for others to, even if they're not joining in, to simply shrug their shoulders and look the other way, when what's happening to Jewish students is not just about Jewish students, but is fundamentally about democracy and values and the way of life in the U.S. and in Europe. Bernard-Henri Lévy:  Of course, except that the new thing in America, which is not bad, is that every minority has the right to be protected. Every community, every minority has the right to have a safe space and so on. There is one minority who does not have the same rights. The only minority who is not safe in America, whose safety is not granted, is the Jewish one. And this is a scandal. You know, we could live in a sort of general jungle. Okay, Jews would be like the others, but it is not the case. Since the political correctness and so on, every minority is safe except the Jewish one. Anne-Sophie Sebban-Bécache:  So if we are alone, if American Jewish students feel alone, as European Jewish students, we are probably not the only one to feel that way, right? I turn over to you, Mr. Levy, and go to another subject.  Since day one of the Russian invasion, and even before that, you have been a forceful advocate for a steadfast European and American support for Ukraine.  Is Ukraine alone today? And will it be even more during America's second Trump administration? Bernard-Henri Lévy:  I've been an advocate of Ukraine, absolutely and I really believe that the freedom for liberty, the battle for liberty, the battle for freedom today, is waged on two front lines. For the moment, it might be more, but Israel and Ukraine. I wish to make that very clear, it is the same battle. They are the same stakes, the same values, and the same enemy.  I'm not sure that every Ukrainian, every Jew, knows that they have the same enemy. The axis between Iran, Putin, China, more and more, Turkey, and the same axis of authorisation countries. So it is the same battle.  The Ukrainians have not been exactly alone. They have been supported in the last two years and half, but in a strange way, not enough. The chancellery, the West, spoke about an incremental support. Incremental support meant exactly what is not enough, what is necessary for them not to lose, but not to win. This is what I saw on the ground.  I made three documentaries in Ukraine on the field, and I could elaborate on that a lot, precisely, concretely in every spot, every trench they have exactly what is needed for the line not to be broken, but not to win. Now we enter in a new in a new moment, a new moment of uncertainty in America and in Europe, with the rise of populism. Which means the rise of parties who say: Who cares about Ukraine, who don't understand that the support of Ukraine, as the support of Israel, is a question of national interest, a question of national security for us, too. The Ukrainian ladies and gentlemen, who fight in Ukraine, they fight for the liberty. They fight for ours, French, yours, American. And we might enter in a new moment. It's not sure, because history has more imagination than the man, than mankind. So we can have surprises. But for the moment, I am really anxious on this front line too, yes. Ted Deutch:  There are additional connections too, between what's happening in Ukraine and what's happening in Israel, and clearly the fact that Iranian killer drones are being used by Russia to kill Europeans should be an alarming enough fact that jars all of us into action. But the point that you make, that I think is so important Bernard, is that Israel has in many ways, faced the same response, except with a much tighter window than Ukraine did.  Israel was allowed to respond to the attacks of October 7, that for those few days after the World understood the horrific nature of the slaughter, the rape, and the babies burning, the terrible, terrible mayhem, and recognize that Israel had a right to respond, but as with Ukraine, only to a point Bernard-Henri Lévy:  Even to a point, I'm not sure. Ted Deutch:  But then that point ended. It was limited. They could take that response. But now we've moved to the point where, just like those students on campus and in so many places around the world, where only the Jews are excluded, that's a natural line from the geopolitical issues, where only Israel is the country that can't respond in self defense. Only Israel is the country that doesn't have the right to exist. Only a Jewish state is the one state that should be dismantled. That's another reason, how these are, another way they are all tied together. Bernard-Henri Lévy:  Don't forget that just a few days after Israel started to retaliate. We heard from everywhere in the West, and United Nations, calls for cease fire, call for negotiation, call for de-escalation. Hezbollah shell Israel for one year. We never heard one responsible of the UN called Hezbollah for not escalating. The day Israel started to reply and retaliate after one year of being bombed, immediately take care to escalation. Please keep down. Please keep cool, etc, etc.  So situation of Israel is a unique case, and again, if you have a little memory, I remember the battle for Mosul. I made a film about that. I remember the battle against the Taliban in 2001 nobody asked the West to make compromise with ISIS and with al-Qaeda, which are the cousins of Hamas. Nobody asked the West not to enter here or there. No one outside the ground said, Okay, you can enter in Mazar-I-Sharif in Afghanistan, but you cannot enter in Kandahar.  Or you can enter in the western part of Mosul. But be careful. Nobody had even this idea this happened only for Israel. And remember Joe by then asking the Prime Minister of Israel about Rafa? Don't, don't, don't. At the end of the day, he's not always right and he's often wrong, but the Prime Minister was right to enter into Rafa for obvious reasons, which we all know now. Anne-Sophie Sebban-Bécache:  Ted, let me come back to you more specifically on the US. At AJC, we support democracy. This is in our DNA. Since the organization was founded 1906 we've been strong supporters of the Transatlantic Partnership since day one. We believe in the alliance of democracies in the defense of our common values. And you know here, there's a lot of anxiety about Donald Trump's re-election. So what is your take on the U.S. elections' consequences for Europe, for transatlantic relations? Ted Deutch: I've been coming to Europe for years, as I did as an elected official. Now in this capacity there is that our friends in Europe are always rightly focused on US policy and engaging the level of commitment the US makes to Europe. The election of Donald Trump, this isn't a new moment. There is history. And for four years in the last administration, the focus that the President had on questioning the ties to Europe and questioning NATO and questioning the commitment that has been so central to the transatlantic relationship rightfully put much of Europe on edge. Now, as the President will come back into power, there is this question of Ukraine and the different opinions that the President is hearing. In one side, in one ear, he's hearing from traditional conservative voices in the United States who are telling him that the US has a crucial role to play, that support for Ukraine is not just as we've been discussing, not just in the best interest of Ukraine, but that it relates directly back to the United States, to Europe. It actually will, they tell him, rightly so, I submit, that US involvement and continued support for Ukraine will help to prevent further war across the continent. In the other ear, however, he's hearing from the America first crowd that thinks that America should recognize that the ocean protects us, and we should withdraw from the world. And the best place to start is Ukraine, and that means turning our back on the brave Ukrainians who have fought so nobly against Russia. That's what he's hearing. It's imperative that, starting this weekend, when he is here at Notre Dame, that he hears and sees and is reminded of not just the importance of the transatlantic relationship, but why it's important, and why that relationship is impacted so directly by what's happening in Ukraine, and the need to continue to focus on Ukraine and to support NATO. And to recognize that with all of the challenges, when there is an opportunity for American leadership to bring together traditional allies, that should be the easiest form of leadership for the President to take. It's still an open question, however, as to whether that's the approach that you will take.  Anne-Sophie Sebban-Bécache:  Thank you, Ted.  Let me sum it up, our conversation for a minute. We said that the Jewish people feels alone, but we said that we are not the only ones. Didn't you feel that on that lonely road of this year, we've also never felt as strong as who we are, both our Jewishness. A French intellectual I know, Bernard Levy would say our Jewish being, être juif, and Jewish unity. Are they the best answers to overcome our loneliness? Let's start with our philosopher. Bernard-Henri Lévy:  I don't believe only in Jewish unity. I believe in Jewish strength. And in one of my previous books, the genius of religion, I spoke about about that Jewish strength, not military strength in Israel, but spiritual strength, and I think that this strength is not behaving so bad. I told you about the campuses. I told you the dark side.  But there is also the bright side, the fact that the students stand firm. They stand by themselves, by their position. They are proud Jews in the campuses. In Israel, come on. Israel is facing the most difficult war and the most terrible war of its history. We know all the previous wars, and alas, I have the age to have known personally and directly, a lot of them since 1960s about this war with terrorists embedded in the civilians, with the most powerful terrorist army in the world on the north, with seven fronts open with Houthis sending missiles and so on. Israel never saw that.  So the people of Israel, the young girls and young boys, the fathers, even the old men of Israel, who enlist, who are on the front, who fight bravely. They do a job that their grandfathers never had to do. So, resilience. Also in Israel. The most sophisticated, the most difficult, the most difficult to win war, they are winning it. And in Europe, I see, as I never saw, a movement of resistance and refusal to bow in front of the antisemite, which I never saw to this extent in my long life. You have groups today in France, for example, who really react every day, who post videos every day.  Anne-Sophie Sebban-Bécache:  Some are in this room.  Bernard-Henri Lévy:  Some are in this room. Pirrout is in this room, for example, every day about the so called unbound France. Mélenchon, who is a real antisemite as you know, they publish the truth. They don't let any infamy pass without reacting, and this again, is new, not completely new, but I never saw that to this extent.  Anne-Sophie Sebban-Bécache:  Thank you, Rene. How about you Ted, what do you think?  Ted Deutch:  more important than ever that as Jews, as Jewish community, As Zionists, that we don't allow our opponents to define what's happening, that the response is never to to feel defensive, that the response. Is to be bold, boldly Jewish, boldly Zionist, unapologetically Zionist. To to do exactly what those students are doing across the United States, that I've seen, the students here who have that I that I've met with that in Europe, a student in in London a few days ago, said to me, she said, when someone yells at me, when they when they scream at me and accuse me of genocide, she said it only makes me want to get a bigger Magen David. The person that that stood up at a meeting in New York a few months ago who told me that, before announced in front of a big crowd that that for years, she's been involved in all of these different organizations in her community to to help feed the hungry and to help kids to read, and all these worthy causes. She said, since October 7, she said, I am all Jewish all the time, and I want everyone to know it the and Israel is perhaps the best example of this. It's impossible to imagine the kind of resilience that we see from Israelis. The taxi driver that I had in Israel. He said, This is so difficult for all of us. We've all known people. We've lost people. It's affected all of us, but we're just never going to give up, because our history doesn't allow it. We have prevailed as a people for 1000s of years and have gotten stronger every single time. Anne-Sophie Sebban-Bécache:  Thank you, Ted. I can keep thinking about this overwhelming challenge that we face as the Jewish people today, which seems to confine us to solitude. Anyway, Jews and Israel are attacked with alternative truths, false narratives. We've witnessed how international justice, our common, universal values, have been turned upside down in the Jewish tradition, we say that we have a mission to repair the world, Tikkun Olam. But how can we make sure to recreate the common world in the first place? Bernard-Henri Lévy:  It's on process number one, continue to try to repair the world, I remind you, and you know that, and Simone Rodan knows it also, in many occurrences, in many situations of the last 30 years when real genocides happened. Real genocide, not imaginary. Real one. In Rwanda, in Srebrenica, in Darfur, when I met with in Chad, with Simone, and so on. The first whistleblowers, the first to tell the world that something terrible was happening, were not exactly Jews, but were ladies and men who had in their hearts the memory of the Shoah. And the flame of Yad Vashem. That's a fact, and therefore they reacted and what could be repaired. They contributed to repair it. Number one.  Second observation, about what Ted said, there is in Europe now, since many years, a tendency to step out, to give up to and to go to Israel. Not only by love of Zionism, but thinking that this is not a safe place any longer for them. I tell you, this tendency starts to be reversed now you have more and more Jews in Europe who say, no, no, no, no. We built this country. We are among the authors of the French social contract.  For example, we will not leave it to those illiterate morons who try to push us away. And this is a new thing. This reaction, this no of the Jews in Europe is something relatively new. And third little remark. 10 years ago in the States, I met a lot of young people who were embarrassed with Israel, who said we are liberal and there is Israel, and the two don't match really well. 10-15, years ago, I met a lot. Less and less today. You have more and more students in America who understand that Israel should be supported, not in spite of their liberal values. But because of their liberal values. And come on, this for a liberal, is a treasure, and it is unprecedented, and there is no example. Anne-Sophie Sebban-Bécache:  How about you, Ted? How do you think we can overcome the challenge of those parallel realities we feel we live in? Ted Deutch:  Those students, and I think broadly the Jewish community, after October 7, came to realize that as Hamas terrorists rolled into southern Israel, they made no distinctions about the politics of the Israelis. That great irony, of course, is that the peaceniks, or the brunt of these attacks, living along the southern edge of Israel by Gaza, they didn't make determinations on who to kill based on how they practiced, what their politics were, how they felt about Bibi.  And I think what the Jewish world, certainly it's true for young people that I talk to, came to realize is that connection between Israel and the Jewish people is not theoretical, that that ultimately, what's gone on for the past year is is an attack against Israel, Israel as the stand in for the Jewish people, and that defending Israel is really defending all of us. And I think they've come to understand that.  But going forward, I think what you described, Bernard, is new, this is what it means now to be an Or Lagoyim. This is what it means to be a light unto the nations. That in the face of all of these attacks, that Israeli democracy continues to thrive. That the conversation by those, ironically, the conversation that has attempted to demonize Israel by demonizing Bibi, has highlighted the fact that these protests have continued during the time of war. As you point out that this is this is unlike anything you would see, that what's permitted, the way democracy is thrives and is and is vibrant in Israel, is different than every place else, that this is a message that the world will see, that that the that in the face of these ongoing challenges, that the Jewish community stands not just against against these attacks against the Jews, but stands against what's happening In the streets of so many places in America. Where people march with Hezbollah flags, where they're openly supporting Hamas. It's going to take some time, but ultimately, because of the strong, because of the resilience, because of the strong, proud way that Jews are responding to this moment and to those protests, eventually, the world will realize that standing in support of Hamas terrorism is not just something that is dangerous to the Jews, but puts at risk the entire world. Anne-Sophie Sebban-Bécache:  Thank you. I'm a Sephardic Jew, so I cannot just end this conversation speaking about loneliness. How about hope? Can we find some? Bernard-Henri Lévy:  I compare the situation of the Jews today to the situation in the time of my dad, for example, there are some change, for example, the Christians and the Catholic Church. 50 years ago, a huge cultural revolution in the world. It is the change of position of the Catholic Church on anti semitism. It was the Vatican Two Council and the Nostra aetate. It seems tiny, but it is huge revolution, and it consisted in a single word, one word, the Catholic Council of Vatican Two said Jews are no longer the fathers of the Christians, as it was said before, in the best of the case, they are the brothers of the Christians.  This is a huge revelation. Of course, Catholics are not always faithful to this commitment. And popes, and especially the pope of today do not remember well the message of his ancestor, but on the whole, we have among the Christians, among the Catholics in Europe and in. Real friends in America among the new evangelical I don't know if they are friends, but they are strong allies. Abraham agreements was again another big revolution which has been underestimated, and the fact that the Abraham agreements, alliance with Morocco, Emirates, Bahrain stands, in spite of the war on seven fronts. Is a proof. It is solid. It is an ironclad alliance, and it holds.  And this is a new event, and we have in the not only in the top of the state, but in the public opinions of the Muslim world. We have a lot of people who who start to be who are more and more numerous, to believe that enough is enough. Too much war, too much misunderstandings, too much hatred, and who are really eager to make the real peace, which is the peace of hearts and the peace of souls with their other brothers, who are the Jews. So yes, there are some reasons to be optimistic.  Anne-Sophie Sebban-Bécache:  Thank you very much, Bernard. Ted? Ted Deutch:  I don't think that we can ever give up hope. And optimism is necessary, and I think justified. The things Bernard talks about, I mean, at AJC, our focus on on building democracy, our focus on interreligious work, the work we've done with the Catholic Church around Nostra aetate, now 60 years old and and continuing to build the relationship our Muslim Jewish Advisory Council always looking for opportunities to to find those voices that are tired of all of the war. And in our office, in Abu Dhabi, we've, we've continued to go to the Gulf, to the Abraham Accord states, and beyond, even through this entire war, because there is the hope of of getting to a place where, where Israel is in a more normalized position in the region, which will then change the perception and push back against the lies that those who wish to to see a world without Israel continue to espouse.  All of that is hopeful, and we work toward it. But for me, the most hopeful thing to come from this moment is, AJC works around the world and because the Jewish community now understands how connected we all are as a result of the threats that we face, the opportunity to strengthen diaspora Jewry, to help people realize that the connections between the Jewish community in Paris and the Jewish community in Mexico City and the Jewish community in Buenos Aires in Chicago, in Miami and New York, that they're interrelated and that we don't have the luxury of viewing our challenges as unique in our countries.  By standing together, we're in a much, much stronger position, and we have to continue to build that. That's why AJC's Global Forum is always the most important part of the year for us, bringing together the Jewish community from around the world. That's why the antisemitism summit that we'll be doing here with the CRIF is going to be so critical to building those relationships. We have an opportunity coming out of this incredibly dark time to take the strength and the resolve that we feel and to and to channel it in ways that that will lead the Jewish community to places that a year ago seemed absolutely impossible to imagine. Those 101 hostages need to return home. We stand together calling for them to return home. We stand together in our support of Israel as it wages the seven-front war, and ultimately, we stand together as Jewish people. That's what gives me hope every day. Anne-Sophie Sebban-Bécache:  Thank you so much. Manya Brachear Pashman: If you missed last week's episode, be sure to tune in for the conversation between my colleague Benji Rogers, AJC's director for Middle East and North Africa initiatives, and Rob Greenway, director of the Allison center for national security at the Heritage Foundation, and former senior director for Middle Eastern and North African Affairs on the National Security Council, they discuss the opportunities and challenges President-elect Trump will face in the Middle East.

Hoe kon het drama in Srebrenica, de grootste genocide in Europa sinds de Tweede Wereldoorlog, gebeuren? Wat wisten de inlichtingendiensten van de grote NAVO-landen over de ophanden zijnde aanval, en waarom werd die niet gestopt? Nog steeds zijn deze en andere prangende vragen rond de massamoord niet opgehelderd - ondanks tal van internationale onderzoeken, parlementaire enquêtes, processen bij het Joegoslavië Tribunaal, het NIOD-onderzoek en rechtszaken tegen de Nederlandse staat. Argos houdt zich al meer dan twintig jaar met deze vragen bezig. Dat doen ook twee andere onderzoekers: professor Sir Geoffrey Nice, die de zaak tegen Milosevic bij het Joegoslavië Tribunaal als aanklager leidde, en Nevenka Tromp-Vrkic, die als onderzoeker van het Joegoslavië Tribunaal in Belgrado onder meer op zoek ging naar de geheime notulen van de Opperste Defensie Raad. Hoe gingen Nice en Tromp-Vrkic te werk om de waarheid te achterhalen? Welke tegenwerking kregen zij? En wat zijn hun bevindingen? Presentator: Eric Arends Redacteur: Huub Jaspers

Hoe kon het drama in Srebrenica, de grootste genocide in Europa sinds de Tweede Wereldoorlog, gebeuren? Wat wisten de inlichtingendiensten van de grote NAVO-landen over de ophanden zijnde aanval, en waarom werd die niet gestopt? Nog steeds zijn deze en andere prangende vragen rond de massamoord niet opgehelderd - ondanks tal van internationale onderzoeken, parlementaire enquêtes, processen bij het Joegoslavië Tribunaal, het NIOD-onderzoek en rechtszaken tegen de Nederlandse staat. Argos houdt zich al meer dan twintig jaar met deze vragen bezig. Dat doen ook twee andere onderzoekers: professor Sir Geoffrey Nice, die de zaak tegen Milosevic bij het Joegoslavië Tribunaal als aanklager leidde, en Nevenka Tromp-Vrkic, die als onderzoeker van het Joegoslavië Tribunaal in Belgrado onder meer op zoek ging naar de geheime notulen van de Opperste Defensie Raad. Hoe gingen Nice en Tromp-Vrkic te werk om de waarheid te achterhalen? Welke tegenwerking kregen zij? En wat zijn hun bevindingen? Presentator: Eric Arends Redacteur: Huub Jaspers

Locuitorii din Srebrenica nu sunt impresionați de pocăința fostului comandant al sârbilor bosniaci Radislav Krstić și îi cer să spună unde se află restul gropilor comune nedescoperite până acum. Condamnat la 35 de ani de închisoare pentru participarea sa la genocidul din anii 90, Krstić a scris Curții de la Haga că își recunoaște pe deplin vina, solicitând eliberarea anticipată.  Reacțiile oamenilor din Srebrenica la pocăința lui Krstić: „Lasă-l să spună unde sunt mormintele comune rămase,” este titlul unui articol din slobodnaevropa.org referitor la o scrisoare către instanța de la Haga semnată de Fostul comandant al Corpului Drina al Armatei Republicii Srpska. Radislav Krstić a fost condamnat la 35 de ani de închisoare pentru participarea sa la genocidul de la Srebrenica. În scrisoarea adresată instanței, acesta își recunoaște vina și solicită eliberarea anticipată.„Pocăința lui nu înseamnă mare lucru pentru oamenii din Srebrenica care au rămas să locuiască în acest oraș după genocid,” scrie publicația.„Accept verdictele Tribunalului din 2001 și 2004, unde se stabilește că forțele armatei din care făceam parte au comis genocid împotriva bosniacilor la Srebrenica în iulie 1995, că am ajutat și susținut genocidul știind că unii membri al Statului Major General au avut intenția de a comite genocid”, a scris Krstic, acum în vârstă de 76 de ani, în scrisoarea citată și de balkaninsight.com.El precizează că a ajutat și a favorizat crima împotriva umanității prin participarea la strămutarea forțată a civililor bosniaci, că a participat la crearea unei crize umanitare care a precedat transferul forțat al femeilor, copiilor și persoanelor în vârstă din Srebrenica, știind că civilii au fost expuși la crime, violuri, bătăi și alte abuzuri.Radislav Krstić a recunoscut că știa că Armata Sârbilor Bosniaci nu dispunea de suficiente forțe pentru a efectua execuțiile bosniacilor la Srebrenica în iulie 1995 și că a avut nevoie de utilizarea trupelor Corpului Drina, care se aflau sub comanda sa.„Știam că folosirea forțelor sub comanda mea va contribui în mod semnificativ la executarea prizonierilor bosniaci”, a adăugat el.Slovacia asigură Ungaria că noua lege a limbii naționale nu va afecta drepturile minorității maghiareSlovacia nu dorește să restrângă drepturile minorităților naționale prin modificarea legii privind limba oficială, scrie spravy.pravda.sk care îl citează pe vicepreședintele Parlamentului Slovac, Peter Žiga, după o întâlnire cu ministrul maghiar de externe, Péter Szijjártó, care a salutat declarația lui Žiga.Potrivit unor relatări din presă, modificările planificate, al căror proiect final nu a fost încă publicat de Ministerul Culturii, ar putea restricționa utilizarea limbilor minoritare. Minoritatea maghiară este cea mai mare din Slovacia, iar problema statutului său a complicat relațiile dintre Slovacia și Ungaria în trecut.„Nici guvernul, nici parlamentul nu vor să schimbe status quo-ul. Dimpotrivă, pentru a îmbunătăți calitatea vieții minorităților noastre naționale, guvernul și parlamentul se vor asigura că infrastructura de transport este îmbunătățită”, a spus Žiga.Cum ar putea afecta alegerea lui Trump economia din Bulgariadnes.bg  publică o analiză privind intenția ministrului de finanțe, Ludmila Petkova, de a prezenta un proiect de buget cu un deficit de până la 3%. „Dacă vom avea stabilitate politică și un guvern cu o viziune clară asupra dezvoltării țării, care va lua măsuri pentru a accesa fonduri europene, va limita corupția și va atrage investiții străine, Bulgaria își va putea dezvolta pe deplin oportunitățile de creștere. Dar ne aflăm în prezent în situația în care (o creștere a bugetului, n.r.) ar putea avea loc fie fie prin impozite suplimentare, fie prin reducerea unor cheltuieli,” spune economistul Yulian Voinov .Una dintre principalele probleme privind deficitul bugetar se leagă și de declarațiile lui Donald Trump privind impunerea de taxe de 10% pentru produsele fabricate în Europa. „ Dacă aceste măsuri ar fi implementate, ar duce la o încetinire a economiei globale și, în consecință, a economiei europene,” a spus economistul bulgar.O încetinire a relațiilor dintre  China și Statele Unite va afecta Europa. Creșterea proiectată de 2% a guvernului bulgar „nu mai este deloc garantată și cel mai probabil vom vedea o întârziere sau un eșec în realizarea acestor prognoze încă de anul viitor. Aceasta înseamnă că va trebui să ne gândim la cum să limităm viitoarele deficite bugetare,” a mai declarat economistul.  Au contribuit la redactarea Revistei presei Europa Plus:Michaela Vdoviaková - Slovacia; Desislava Dimitrova - Bulgaria Europa Plus este un proiect RFI România realizat în parteneriat cu Agenția Universitară a Francofoniei 

Un viaggio nel cuore ferito della Bosnia, da Banja Luka a Prijedor, da Srebrenica a Tuzla, luoghi dove il negazionismo sulla guerra degli anni ‘90 continua a inquinare la vita quotidiana di un paese tuttora in preda ai nazionalismi che soffiano sul fuoco dell'intolleranza. A fermarlo non è servita neanche una legge che dal 2021 proibisce la negazione del genocidio e l'esaltazione dei criminali di guerra. L'ultimo rapporto annuale del Memoriale di Srebrenica ha evidenziato un aumento dei casi proprio in seguito all'entrata in vigore della legge. Molti politici, sia in Bosnia che in Serbia, sostengono ancora che il genocidio non sia mai avvenuto usando argomenti simili a quelli di chi nega l'Olocausto o il genocidio armeno. Un racconto attraverso le voci delle vittime e di chi, a trent'anni dalla fine della guerra, continua a impegnarsi per la verità e la riconciliazione.

Wir fragen uns, warum die Balkan-Positionen von AfD und BSW so ähnlich sind und beide klingen, als wären sie im Büro von Aleksandar Vučić verfasst. Die autokratische serbische Regierung wird in den Himmel gelobt, ein Ende der Unabhängigkeit des Kosovo gefordert und beide Parteien umwerben migrantische Nationalisten als Wählerinnen und Wähler. Wir haben uns auch angeschaut, was der Mitarbeiter von Żaklin Nastić – Vorstandsmitglied des BSW - eigentlich so bei regierungsnahen serbischen Hetzmedien erzählt. Genauso wie der unter Korruptionsverdacht stehende AfD-Abgeordnete Petr Bystron, der, wenig überraschend, in der gleichen Sendung zu Gast ist und ausfällig ähnlich klingt. Außerdem erfahrt ihr mehr über eine Person aus dem Umfeld der Identitären und AfD, die den Holocaust „geil“ findet und mit Bezug auf Srebrenica einen Völkermord an Muslimen in Deutschland fordert. Puh – und weil das alles ganz schön heftig ist, sprechen wir auch über Clemens Meyers Wutausbruch beim deutschen Buchpreis und wie er sich damit zum würdigen Vertreter des Balkans in der deutschsprachigen Literatur gemacht hat.

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In this episode, Aegis Founder Dr James Smith talks with Almasa Salihović, Director of Communications at the Srebrenica Genocide Memorial Centre, and Amra Begić, Deputy Director of the Memorial, about their work, life in post-genocide Srebrenica and the role that women have been playing in that. James also listen to their views on Bosnia's future, which is, more than ever, in urgent need of international attention.This episode is dedicated to the memory of Amra's mother, Hajra Fazlić, a survivor of the Srebrenica Genocide, who passed away in July 2023. Support the show

En hoe wij, in de omgang met klimaatactivisten, onszelf in de eigen voet schieten. (00:40) Impact oorlogen Midden-Oosten op verkiezingscampagne VS Niet alleen in Gaza, ook in Libanon woedt nu oorlog. En dat heeft in verkiezingstijd effect op de Amerikaanse politiek. Met name in swing states is er veel woede onder de Arabisch Amerikaanse gemeenschap. En dat is nou net een kiezersgroep die vier jaar geleden cruciaal was voor de zege van Joe Biden. En nu weer heel bepalend kan zijn bij de presidentsverkiezingen. Correspondent Karlijn van Houwelingen legt uit. (08:05) De Afghaanse bewakers: Heeft Nederland niks geleerd van Srebrenica? Onze regering wil Afghaanse bewakers en hun familie niet naar Nederland halen, ondanks eerdere toezeggingen. Veel van hen leven ondergedoken uit angst voor de Taliban. Alma Mustafíc is een Srebrenica-overlevende. Haar vader, die als elektricien voor Dutchbat werkte, werd door Nederland niet gered of in bescherming genomen. Hij overleefde de genocide niet. Alma Mustafíc won hierover een rechtszaak tegen de Nederlandse staat en doceert inmiddels mensenrechten aan de Hogeschool Utrecht. Zij trekt vergelijkingen over toen en nu. (19:30) Uitgelicht: hoe wij ons op het gebied van mensenrechten in de eigen voet schieten Mensenrechtenorganisaties uitten deze week scherpe kritiek toen Just Stop Oil-activisten 2 jaar celstraf kregen voor het gooien van tomatensoep op de lijst van Van Goghs Zonnebloemen in Londen. Zij zien de omgang met (klimaat)activisten enorm verharden in Westerse landen. Terwijl diezelfde landen elders in de wereld juist wél hameren op de rechten van activisten om te demonstreren. Bureau Buitenland-collega Djuna Kramer vertelt. Presentatie: Eva Koreman

Today, we're talking with veteran activist and theologian, the one and only, Lisa Sharon Harper! The conversation covers:-        Lisa's journey finding Jesus outside of Whiteness and White evangelicalism-        The centrality of advocating for political and institutional policy change to our faith in Jesus-        How respecting the image of God in all people is the starting point for following Jesus to shalom-        The unavoidable job we have to speak truth, even when it is costly-        Where Lisa finds her hope and motivation to keep going-        And after that, we reflect on the interview and then talk all things Springfield, Ohio and Haitian immigrants.Mentioned on the episode:-            Lisa's website, lisasharonharper.com/-            Lisa's Instagram and Facebook-            The Freedom Road Podcast-            Lisa's books, Fortune and The Very Good Gospel-            Make a donation to The Haitian Community Support and Help Center in Springfield, Ohio via PayPal at haitianhelpcenterspringfield@gmail.com.Credits-            Follow KTF Press on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads. Subscribe to get our bonus episodes and other benefits at KTFPress.com.-        Follow host Jonathan Walton on Facebook Instagram, and Threads.-        Follow host Sy Hoekstra on Mastodon.-        Our theme song is “Citizens” by Jon Guerra – listen to the whole song on Spotify.-        Our podcast art is by Robyn Burgess – follow her and see her other work on Instagram.-        Editing by Multitude Productions-        Transcripts by Joyce Ambale and Sy Hoekstra.-        Production by Sy Hoekstra and our incredible subscribersTranscript[An acoustic guitar softly plays six notes in a major scale, the first three ascending and the last three descending, with a keyboard pad playing the tonic in the background. Both fade out as Jonathan Walton says “This is a KTF Press podcast.”]Lisa Sharon Harper: I would lose my integrity if I was silent in the face of the breaking of shalom, which I learned in Bosnia and Croatia and Serbia, is built on earth through structures. It doesn't just come because people know Jesus. Two thirds of the people in the Bosnian war knew Jesus. The Croats were Christian and the Serbs were Orthodox Christian, and yet they killed each other. Massacred each other. Unfortunately, knowing Jesus is not enough if you have shaped your understanding of Jesus according to the rules and norms of empire.[The song “Citizens” by Jon Guerra fades in. Lyrics: “I need to know there is justice/ That it will roll in abundance/ And that you're building a city/ Where we arrive as immigrants/ And you call us citizens/ And you welcome us as children home.” The song fades out.]Jonathan Walton: Welcome to Shake the Dust, seeking Jesus, confronting injustice. I'm Jonathan Walton.Sy Hoekstra: And I am Sy Hoekstra. We have a great one for you today. We are talking to veteran organizer and theologian Lisa Sharon Harper, someone who a lot of you probably know and who was pretty big in both of our individual kind of stories and development as people who care about faith and justice when we were younger people, which you will hear about as we talk to her. We are going to be talking to her about the centrality of our voting and policy choices to our witness as Christians, the importance of integrity and respecting the image of God in all people when making difficult decisions about where to spend your resources as an activist, where Lisa gets her hope and motivation and a whole lot more.And then after the interview, hear our reactions to it. And we're also going to be getting into our segment, Which Tab Is Still Open, where we dive a little bit deeper into one of the recommendations from our weekly newsletter that we send out to our subscribers. This week it will be all about Haitian immigrants to America in Springfield, Ohio. You will want to hear that conversation. But before we get started, Jonathan.Jonathan Walton: Please friends, remember to go to KTFPress.com and become a paid subscriber to support this show and get access to everything that we do. We're creating media that centers personal and informed discussions on politics, faith and culture that helps you seek Jesus and confront injustice. We are resisting the idols of the American church by centering and elevating marginalized voices and taking the entirety of Jesus' gospel more seriously than those who narrow it to sin and salvation. The two of us have a lot of experience doing this individually and in community, and we've been friends [laughs] for a good long time. So you can trust it will be honest, sincere, and have some good things to say along the way.If you become a paid subscriber, you'll get access to all of our bonus content, access to our monthly subscriber Zoom chats with me and Sy, and the ability to comment on posts and chat with us. So again, please go to KTFPress.com and become a paid subscriber today.Sy Hoekstra: Our guest today, again, Lisa Sharon Harper, the president and founder of Freedom Road, a groundbreaking consulting group that crafts experiences to bring common understanding and common commitments that lead to common action toward a more just world. Lisa is a public theologian whose writing, speaking, activism and training has sparked and fed the fires of reformation in the church from Ferguson and Charlottesville to South Africa, Brazil, Australia and Ireland. Lisa's book, Fortune: How Race Broke My Family and the World, and How to Repair It All was named one of the best books of 2022 and the book before that, The Very Good Gospel, was named 2016 Book of the Year by The Englewood Review of Books. Lisa is the host of the Freedom Road Podcast, and she also writes for her Substack, The Truth Is…Jonathan Walton: Alright, let's jump into the interview.[The intro piano music from “Citizens” by Jon Guerra plays briefly and then fades out.]Sy Hoekstra: Lisa Sharon Harper, thank you so much for joining us on Shake the Dust.Lisa Sharon Harper: Yay, I'm so excited to be here, and I'm here with a little bit of a Demi Moore rasp to my voice. So I'm hoping it'll be pleasant to the ears for folks who are coming, because I got a little sick, but I'm not like really sick, because I'm on my way, I'm on the rebound.Sy Hoekstra: So you told us you got this at the DNC, is that right?Lisa Sharon Harper: Yes, I literally, literally, that's like what, almost three weeks ago now?Sy Hoekstra: Oh my gosh.Jonathan Walton: You've got a DNC infection. That's what that is.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs].Lisa Sharon Harper: I have a DNC cough. I have a DNC cough, that's funny.Jonathan Walton: [laughs].Sy Hoekstra: So before we jump into our questions, I wanted to take a momentary trip down memory lane, because I have no idea if you remember this or not.Lisa Sharon Harper: Okay.Sy Hoekstra: But in January of 2008, you led a weekend retreat for a college Christian fellowship that Jonathan and I were both in.Lisa Sharon Harper: Yeah, I do remember.Sy Hoekstra: You do remember this? Okay.Lisa Sharon Harper: Absolutely.Jonathan Walton: [laughs].Lisa Sharon Harper: I remember almost every time I've ever spoken anywhere.Sy Hoekstra: Wow, okay.Lisa Sharon Harper: I really do. And I remember that one, and I do remember you guys being there. Oh my gosh, that's so cool.Jonathan Walton: Yes.Lisa Sharon Harper: Okay.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Lisa Sharon Harper: You remember that. That's amazing.Sy Hoekstra: No, no, no.Jonathan Walton: Oh yeah.Sy Hoekstra: Hang on. Wait a minute [laughter]. We don't just remember it. Because, so you gave this series of talks that ended up being a big part of your book, The Very Good Gospel.Lisa Sharon Harper: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: And you talked specifically about the difference between genuine and pseudo-community and the need to really address each other's problems that we face, bear each other's burdens, that sort of thing. And you did a session, which I'm sure you've done with other groups, where you split us up into racial groups. So we sat there with White, Black, and Latine, and Asian, and biracial groups, and we had a real discussion about race in a way that the community had absolutely never had before [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Yep.Sy Hoekstra: And it actually, it is the opening scene of Jonathan's book. I don't know if you knew that.Lisa Sharon Harper: Oh my God, I didn't know that.Jonathan Walton: It is.Lisa Sharon Harper: Which one?Jonathan Walton: Twelve Lies.Lisa Sharon Harper: Wow, I didn't know that. Oh my gosh, I missed that. Okay.Sy Hoekstra: So it was a… Jonathan put it before, it was a formative moment for everybody and a transformative moment for some of us [laughter] …Lisa Sharon Harper: Oooooo, Oh my goodness.Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: …in that we learned a lot about ourselves and what we thought about race, what other people thought about race. I will tell you that in the five minutes after the session broke up, like ended, it was the first time that my now wife ever said to me, “Hey, you said something racist to me that I didn't like.” [laughs] And then, because of all the conversation we just had, I responded miraculously with the words, “I'm sorry.” [laughter].Lisa Sharon Harper: Oh my God!Sy Hoekstra: And then we went from there.Lisa Sharon Harper: Miraculously [laughs]. That's funny.Sy Hoekstra: So I have lots of friends that we can talk about this session with to this day, and they still remember it as transformative.Jonathan Walton: Yes.Lisa Sharon Harper: Oh my Gosh. Wow.Sy Hoekstra: All of that, just to lead into my first question which is this, a lot of people in 2016 started seeing kind of the things about White evangelicalism that indicated to them that they needed to get out. They needed to escape in some way, because of the bad fruit, the bad political fruit that was manifesting. You saw that bad fruit a long time ago.Lisa Sharon Harper: A whole long time ago.Sy Hoekstra: You were deep in the Republican, pro-life political movement for a little bit, for like, a minute as a young woman.Lisa Sharon Harper: I wouldn't… here's the thing. I wouldn't say I was deep in. What I would say is I was in.Sy Hoekstra: Okay.Lisa Sharon Harper: As in I was in because I was Evangelical, and I identified with itbecause I was Evangelical and because my friends identified with it. So I kind of went along, but I always had this sense I was like standing on the margins looking at it going, “I don't know.”Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Lisa Sharon Harper: You know what I mean? But I would say literally for like a minute, I was a believer. Maybe for like, a year.Sy Hoekstra: But my question then is, what were the warning signs? And then, separately from what were the warning signs that you needed to get out, who or what were the guiding lights that showed you a better way?Lisa Sharon Harper: My goodness. Wow. Well, I mean, I would say that honestly… Okay, so I had a couple of conversations, and we're talking about 2004 now. So 2004 also, this is right after 2000 where we had the hanging chads in Florida.Sy Hoekstra: Yep.Jonathan Walton: Yep.Lisa Sharon Harper: And we know how important voting is, because literally, I mean, I actually believe to this day that Gore actually won. And it's not just a belief, they actually counted after the fact, and found that he had won hundreds more ballots that were not counted in the actual election, in Florida. And so every single vote counts. Every single vote counts. So then in 2004 and by 2004, I'm the Director of Racial Reconciliation for greater LA in InterVarsity, I had done a summer mission project that wasn't really mission. It was actually more of a, it was a pilgrimage, actually. It was called the pilgrimage for reconciliation. The summer before, I had done the stateside pilgrimage. And then that summer, I led students on a pilgrimage through Bosnia, Croatia and Serbia asking the question, “How is shalom broken? And how is shalom built? How is it made?”And through both of those successive summer experiences, it became so clear to me, policy matters, and it matters with regard to Christian ethics. We can't say we are Christian and be, in other words, Christ-like if we are not concerned with how our neighbor is faring under the policies coming down from our government. We just can't. And as Christians in a democracy, specifically in America, in the US where we have a democracy, we actually have the expectation that as citizens, we will help shape the way that we live together. And our vote is what does that our vote when we vote for particular people, we're not just voting for who we like. We're voting for the policies they will pass or block. We're voting for the way we want to live together in the world.So in 2004 when I come back from Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, I'm talking with some of my fellow staff workers, and I'm saying to them, “We have to have a conversation with our folks about voting. I mean, this election really matters. It's important. ”Because we had just come through the first few years of the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. Like Iraq had just erupted a couple years before that, Afghanistan the year before that. And we were seeing young men coming back in body bags and this war, which had no plan to end, was sending especially young Black men to die because they were the ones…and I know, because I was in those schools when I was younger, and I alsohad been reading up on this.They're the ones who are recruited by the Marines and the Army and the Navy and the Air Force, especially the army, which is the cannon fodder. They're the ones who are on the front lines. They are recruited by them more than anybody else, at a higher degree than anybody else, a higher percentage ratio. So I was saying we have to have a conversation. And their response to me in 2004 was, “Oh, well, we can't do that, because we can't be political.” I said, “Well, wait, we are political beings. We live in a democracy.” To be a citizen is to help shape the way we live together in the world, and that's all politics is. It's the conversations we have and the decisions that we make about how we are going to live together.And so if we as Christians who have an ethic passed down by Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, and we have the 10 Commandments, which is like the grand ethic of humanity, at least of the Abrahamic tradition. Then, if we don't have something to say about how we should be living together and the decisions we make about that every four years, every two years, even in off year elections, then what are we doing here?Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Lisa Sharon Harper: Who are we? Like, what is this faith? What is this Christian faith? So that was my first real rub, because I had experienced the pilgrimage to reconciliation. I had seen, I had rolled through. I had walked on the land where the decisions that the polis, the people had made, had killed people. It had led to the death of millions of people. Thousands of people in some case. Hundreds of people in other cases. But when coming back from Bosnia, it was millions. And so I was just very much aware of the reality that for Christians, politics matters because politics is simply the public exercise of our ethics, of our Christian ethic. And if we don't have one, then we're… honest, I just, I think that we are actually turning our backs on Jesus who spent his life telling us how to live.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Lisa Sharon Harper: And so that was, for me, literally that conversation with that staff worker was kind of my first, “Aha! I'm in the wrong place.” I needed to learn more about how this public work works. How do systems and structures and policies and laws work? So that's what actually brought me, ended up bringing me a year later, to Columbia University and getting my master's in human rights. And I knew, having had the background in the two pilgrimages and the work that we did on the biblical concept of shalom at the time, which was nascent. I mean, it was for me, it was, I barely, really barely, understood it. I just knew it wasn't what I had been taught. So I started digging into shalom at that time, and then learning about international law and human rights and how that works within the international systems.I came out of that with a much clearer view, and then continued to work for the next 13 years to really get at how our Christian ethics intersect with and can help, and have helped shape public policy. And that has led me to understand very clearly that we are complicit in the evil, and we also, as Christians, other streams of our faith are responsible for the redemption, particularly in America and South Africa and other places in the world.Jonathan Walton: Yeah. So I think I'm placing myself in your story. So I think we intersected in that 2005, 2008 moment. So I've traveled with you.Lisa Sharon Harper: Yeah, we had a good time. It was so much fun.Jonathan Walton: We did. It was very good. So getting to follow, watch, learn, just for me, has been a huge blessing. First with the book, with New York Faith and Justice, reading stuff with Sojourners, grabbing your books, gleaning different wisdom things for… it's something that I've wondered as I'm a little bit younger in the journey, like as you've operated in this world, in the White Evangelical world, and then still White Evangelical adjacent, operating in these faith spaces. And now with the platform that you have, you've had to exercise a lot of wisdom, a lot of patience and deciding to manage where you show up and when, how you use your time, how you manage these relationships and keep relationships along the way. Because you didn't drop people.Lisa Sharon Harper: I have. I have dropped a few [laughter]. I want to make that really clear, there is an appropriate space to literally shake the dust.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah [laughs].Jonathan Walton: I think what I have not seen you do is dehumanize the people in the places that you left.Lisa Sharon Harper: Yeah, thank you. Yeah.Jonathan Walton: And that's hard to do, because most people, particularly my generation, we see the bridge we just walked across, and we throw Molotov cocktails at that thing [laughter].Lisa Sharon Harper: Y'all do. Your generation is like, “I'm out! And you're never gonna breathe again!” Like, “You're going down!” I'm like, “Oh my God…” [laughs].Jonathan Walton: It's quite strong with us [laughs]. And so could you give any pieces of wisdom or things you've learned from God about navigating in that way. Things that we can and folks that are listening can hold on to as things shift, because they will shift and are shifting.Lisa Sharon Harper: They always shift, yeah, because we are not living on a book page. We're living in a world that moves and is fluid, and people change, and all the things. So I think that the best advice that I got, I actually got from Miroslav Volf. Dr. Miroslav Volf, who is a professor at Yale University, and he wrote the book that really kind of got me into, it was my first book that I ever read that was a book of theology, Exclusion&Embrace. And when we went to Croatia, we met with him. We met with him in the city of Zadar on the beach [laughs], literally over lunch. It was just an incredible privilege to sit down with him. And I've had many opportunities to connect with him since, which has been a privilege again, and just a joy.But he said to our group, our little InterVarsity group. And that's not at all to minimize InterVarsity, but we had a real inflated sense of who we were in the world. We thought we were everything, and we thought we were right about everything. And so here we are going through Croatia, which had just experienced a decade and a little bit before, this civil war. And it wasn't really a civil war, it was actually a war of aggression from Serbia into Croatia, and it was horrible. And it turned neighbor against neighbor in the same way that our civil war turned neighbor against neighbor. So literally, these towns, you literally had neighbors killing each other, you just were not safe.So basically, think Rwanda. The same thing that happened in Rwanda, around the same time had happened in Croatia. And so Miroslav is Croatian, and the lines by which things were drawn in Croatia was not race, because everybody was White. So the lines that they drew their hierarchy on was along the lines of religion. It was the Croats, which were mostly Catholic, mostly Christian. Some not Catholic, they might have been Evangelical, but they were Christian. And then you had the Bosniaks, which were Muslim, and the Serbs, which were Orthodox. So that was the hierarchy. And when you had Milošević, who was the president of Yugoslavia, who was trying to keep that Federation together, Yugoslavia was like an amalgamation of what we now understand to be Bosnia, Croatia and Serbia.So he was trying to keep all of that together, and when he then crossed the lines, the boundary between Serbia and Croatia and invaded and just began to kill everybody, and the Serbs then went to his side, and the Croats went over here, and the Bosniaks were caught in the middle, and people just died. And they chose sides and they killed each other. And so we sat down to do lunch with Miroslav Volf, and in that context, interfaith conversation was critical. It was and is, it continues to be. One of the main markers of where you find healing, it's where you find interfaith conversation in Croatia and also Bosnia and Serbia. And so we, in our little Evangelical selves, we're not used to this interfaith thing.We think of that as compromising. We think of that as, “How can you talk to people and gain relationship with and actually sit down and…?” And he was challenging us to study this scripture with other people of other faiths, and study their scriptures. He was like, “Do that.” And so our people were like, “How can you do that and not compromise your faith?” And here's what he said. He said, “It's easy. Respect. It's respect, respecting the image of God in the other, the one who is not like me. That I, when I sit down and I read their scriptures with them, allowing them to tell me what their scriptures mean.” Not sitting in a classroom in my Evangelical church to learn what the Muslim scriptures say, but sitting down with Imams to understand what the Muslim scriptures say and how it's understood within the context of that culture.That's called respect for the image of God. And there's no way, no way for us to knit ourselves together in a society, to live together in the world without respect. That's baseline. That's baseline.Jonathan Walton: As I'm listening, I'm thinking, “Okay, Lisa made choices.” She was like, “We are gonna not just do a trip. We're gonna do a trip in Croatia.” And so as you're going on these trips, as you were having these conversations, you're making choices. There's decisions being made around you, and then you get to the decision making seat. And how that discernment around where to place your energy happens. So something that's at the top of mind for me and many people listening is Palestine.Lisa Sharon Harper: Oh, yeah.Jonathan Walton: So how did you decide at this moment that, “Hey,this is where my energy and time is coming. I'm going to Christ at the Checkpoint. I'm going to talk with Munther. I'm going to be there.”How did that rise to the surface for you?Lisa Sharon Harper: It's funny, because I have, really have been advised, and in the very first days of the conflict, I was advised by some African American leaders, “Don't touch this. Don't do it. You're going to be blacklisted.”Jonathan Walton: I heard the same thing, yeah.Lisa Sharon Harper: “Don't do it. You're gonna find you're not invited to speak anywhere.” Da da da da. Sometimes these decisions are just made to say, “I am going to act in the world as if I don't know what the repercussions are, and I'm just going to do the thing, because my focus is not focused on the repercussions.” I mean, in some ways, in that way, I do think that my constitution is the constitution of a warrior. Warriors go to battle knowing that bullets are flying all around them, and they just choose to go forward anyway. Somebody who cared, and not just cared, but I think there's a moment where you begin to understand it's that moment of no turning back. It's the moment when you stand at the freshly buried graves of 5000 Muslim boys and men who were killed all in one day by bullet fire in Srebrenica.It's the moment that you drive through Bosnia and you see all of the graves everywhere. Everywhere, especially in Sarajevo, which experienced a siege, a multiyear siege by Serbia. And they turned the soccer field, which at one point was the focal point of the Sarajevo Olympic Games, they turned that into a graveyard because they ran out of space for the graves. When you roll through Georgia, and you go to Dahlonega, Georgia, and you go to the Mining Museum, which marks the very first gold rush in America, which was not in California, but was in Dahlonega, Georgia, on Cherokee land, and you hear the repercussions of people's silence and also complicity.When they came and they settled, they made a decision about how we should live together, and it did not include, it included the erasure of Cherokee people and Choctaw people and Chickasaw people, Seminole people, Creek people. And you walk that land, and the land tells you. It's so traumatic that the land still tells the story. The land itself tells the story. The land bears witness. When you stand on that land and the land tells you the story, there's a moment that just happens where there's no turning back and you have to bear witness to the truth, even with bullets flying around you. So with regard to Palestine, having done what now goodness, 20 years of research on this biblical concept called shalom, and written the book, The Very Good Gospel, which really lays it out in a systematic way.I would lose my integrity if I was silent in the face of the breaking of shalom, which I learned in Bosnia and Croatia and Serbia, is built on earth through structures. It doesn't just come because people know Jesus. Two thirds of the people in the Bosnian war knew Jesus. Two thirds. The Croats were Christian and the Serbs were Orthodox Christian, and yet they killed each other. I mean, massacred each other. Unfortunately, knowing Jesus is not enough if you have shaped your understanding of Jesus according to the rules and norms of empire. So we actually need international law. We need the instruments of international law. That's what stopped the war there. And they failed there too, but they also have been an intrinsic part of keeping the peace and also prosecuting Milošević. Solike making sure that some measure of justice on this earth happens, some shadow of it.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Lisa Sharon Harper: And what are we told in scripture in Micah 6:8, walk humbly with God. Do justice. Embrace the truth. So I think that when I saw on October 7, the breach of the wall, the breach of the gate and then the massacre at the festival, I grieved. I really grieved. And I was scared, really scared for the nation of Israel, for the people who were there. And I began to ask questions, because I've learned the discipline of not dehumanizing. Because to dehumanize is to break shalom. It's one of the first things that happens in the breaking of shalom and the eradication of it. And so part of what I had to do if I was going to consider Palestinian people human was to ask what has happened to them that would cause them to take such violent and radical action. How did we get here? Is the question.And the narrative that I heard from Israel, from the state of Israel, from the leaders of the state of Israel, which had been marched against by their own people just the week before that, and weeks for like a month or two before that, they were trying to depose the leadership of Israel because they were trying to turn their state into a fascist state. I was watching that as well. Trying to take the power of the judiciary away so that they could increase the power of the Prime Minister. So what does it mean then? What does it mean that this happened? And I was listening to the way that the narrative that Netanyahu was giving and his generals and the narrative they were giving is, “These are monsters. They are terrorists. They are evil. They are intrinsically, they are not human.”And I knew when I saw that, when I heard that, I thought Bosnia. I thought Rwanda, where they called the other cockroaches. I thought South Africa, where they called Black people not human, monsters, who need to be controlled. I thought Native Americans, who were called savages in order to be controlled, in order to have the justification of genocide. I thought of people of African descent who were brought in death ships across the Atlantic to South America and Central America and Mexico and North America in order to be used to build European wealth and they were called non-human. And even according to our own laws, our constitution declared three fifths of a human being.So when I heard Netanyahu and his generals dehumanizing the Palestinians, I knew, that for me was like the first signal, and it happened on the first day. It was the first signal that we are about to witness a genocide. They are preparing us. They are grooming us to participate in genocide. And I, as a theologian, as an ethicist, as a Christian, would lose my credibility if I remained silent and became complicit in that genocide through my silence. Because having studied the genocides that I mentioned earlier and the oppressions that I mentioned earlier, I know that most of those spaces were Christian spaces.Sy Hoekstra: Right.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Lisa Sharon Harper: And they happened, those genocides and those oppressions were able to happen because Christians were silent.Jonathan Walton: Gathering all that up, I think… I mean, we've had Munther on this podcast, we've talked with him throughout the years. When he said, “The role of Christians is to be prophetic, to speak prophetic truth to power,” something clicked for me in that as you're talking about our witness being compromised, as you are saying, “Hey, let's ask this question, who does this benefit? What is happening?”Lisa Sharon Harper: That's right.Jonathan Walton: The reality that he said, “All of us are Nathan when it comes to empire. We are supposed to be the ones who say this is wrong.” And that resonates with what you said, like how can I have integrity and be silent? Genocide necessitates silence and complicity in that way from people.Lisa Sharon Harper: Yeah. And here's the thing. How are you gonna go to church and sing worship songs to Jesus on Sunday and be silent Monday through Saturday witnessing the slaying of the image of God on earth. You hear what I'm saying?Sy Hoekstra: Yes.Lisa Sharon Harper: Like my understanding of shalom now is not just we do these things in order to be nice and so we live together. It is that shalom is intricately connected with the flourishing of the kingdom of God.Sy Hoekstra: Right.Lisa Sharon Harper: It is the flourishing of the kingdom of God.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Lisa Sharon Harper: And the kingdom of God flourishes wherever the image of God flourishes. And the image of God is born by every single human being. And part of what it means to be made in the image of God is that humans who are made in the image of God exercise agency, stewardship of the world. And the most drastic example or practice of warfare against the image of God is war.Jonathan Walton: Yes [laughs]. Absolutely.Lisa Sharon Harper: War annihilates the image of God on earth. It is a declaration of war, not only on Palestinians or Gazans or even Israel or the empire anywhere. It is a declaration of war against God. It is a declaration of war against God.Sy Hoekstra: A phrase that has stuck in my head about you was from one of the endorsements to your last book Fortune. Jemar Tisby described you as a long-distance runner for justice.Jonathan Walton: [laughs] That's awesome.Sy Hoekstra: That always struck me as accurate.Jonathan Walton: That is great.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs] Not a sprinter.Jonathan Walton: No.Sy Hoekstra: Not a sprinter.Lisa Sharon Harper: That was really pretty cool. I was like, “Oh Jemar, thank you.” [laughter]Jonathan Walton: I need that. We just in here. That's great [laughs].Sy Hoekstra: So here's the question then, where does your hope and sustenance, how do you get that? Where does it come from?Lisa Sharon Harper: Honestly, it comes from focusing on the kingdom. Focusing on Jesus. Focusing on doing the kingdom of God. And when you do it you witness it. And when you witness it, you get hope. I mean, I've learned, even in the last year, an actual life lesson for me was hope comes in the doing. Hope comes in the doing. So as we do the kingdom, we gain hope. As we show up for the protests so that we confront the powers that are slaying the image of God on earth, we gain hope. As we speak out against it and form our words in ways that do battle with the thinking that lays the groundwork for ethics of erasure, we gain hope because we're doing it. We see the power.The kingdom of God exists wherever there are people who actually bow to the ethic of God. Who do it. Who do the ethic of God. You can't say you believe in Jesus and not actually do his ethic. You don't believe in him. What do you believe? He never said, “Believe stuff about me.” He said, “Follow me.” He literally never said, “Believe stuff about me.”Sy Hoekstra: Yeah [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Right.Lisa Sharon Harper: He said, “Follow me. Do what I do. ”And that's ethics. That's the question of, how do we live together in the world?? So we do and we gain hope.Jonathan Walton: Amen.Sy Hoekstra: I like that. That reminds me of Romans 5: There'll be glory in our suffering. Suffering produces perseverance, character, and character hope. It's like, it's not an intuitive thing necessarily, if you haven't done it before. But that's great, and that's a really, I like that a lot as a place for us to end [laughs]. To get out there and do it, and you will find the hope as you go.Jonathan Walton: Amen.Sy Hoekstra: Can you tell us where people can find you or work that you would want people to see of yours?Lisa Sharon Harper: Absolutely. Well, hey, first of all, thank you guys so much for having me on, and it's been really a joy to start my day in conversation with you. Y'all can follow what I'm up to at Lisasharonharper.com. I live on Instagram, and so you can [laughter], you can definitely follow on Instagram and Facebook. And Freedom Road Podcast is a place where a lot of people have found the conversation and are tracking with it. And I'm always trying to have guests on that are pushing me and causing me to ask deeper questions. And so I really, I welcome you to join us on Freedom Road.Sy Hoekstra: Yes. I wholeheartedly second that.Lisa Sharon Harper: And of course, the books [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: And of course, the books.Jonathan Walton: [laughs].Sy Hoekstra: Fortune, Very Good Gospel, all the rest.Lisa Sharon Harper: Yeah, exactly.Sy Hoekstra: Lisa Sharon Harper, thank you so much for joining us. This has been a delight.Jonathan Walton: Thank you so much.Lisa Sharon Harper: Thank you Sy. Thank you, Jonathan.[The intro piano music from “Citizens” by Jon Guerra plays briefly and then fades out.]Sy Hoekstra: Jonathan, that was a fantastic discussion. Tell me what you are thinking about coming out of it?Jonathan Walton: Yeah, I think one, is just it's just really helpful to talk with someone who's been around for a while. I think most of us… I'm 38 years old, but let's just say millennials and younger, we don't consume or receive a lot of long form content.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs].Jonathan Walton: And we don't also engage with people who are willing and able to mentor us through difficult situations. We're getting sound bites from TikTok and Instagram and YouTube, and we don't get the whole of knowledge or experiences. So listening to Lisa talk about, “I grabbed this bit from L.A., I grabbed this bit from Palestine, I grabbed this bit from Croatia, I grabbed this bit.” We cannot microwave transformation. We cannot have instant growth. There is no, let me go through the side door of growing to maturity in my faithfulness and walk with Jesus.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs].Jonathan Walton: There is just doing it. And so when she said, “I find the hope in the doing,” you don't learn that unless you have done stuff. That's a big takeaway. I also appreciated just her take on the genocide in Palestine. And because she was mentored and has talked with Miroslav Volf, she knows what it smells like, because she's done the work in her own history of her own background. If you have not read Fortune, go read the book. The reason Black folks cannot find who we [laughs] come from is because they were enslaved and killed. The reason we cannot find the indigenous and native folks we were related to is because there was genocide. So there's these things.And she goes through that in her book, and to talk about how to wield our stories when we don't have one, or how to wield a story of tragedy to turn it into something transformative, is something I admire, appreciate and hope that I can embody if and when the time comes for myself, when I have collected and grown and have asked similar questions. I'm appreciative of what she had to say. And you know, I know I asked her the question about not burning things down, and so I appreciated that [laughs] answer as well. Like, there's just a lot of wisdom, and I hope that folks listening were able to glean as well.Sy Hoekstra: I totally agree with all that. I think all that was very powerful. And there isn't it… kind of reminds me of when her book we've mentioned a few times, The Very Good Gospel, came out. It came out in 2016, but like I said, when we were talking to her, the stuff that was in that book she had been thinking about for more than a decade at that point. And it was very clear. When I was reading it, I was like, “Oh, this is Lisa's bag—this is what she was talking to us about when we were in college in 2008.”Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: At that camp, but she'd been thinking about it for even longer than that. It was just like, you can tell when something isn't like, “Oh, I had to research this because I was gonna write a book about it, so I had to learn about it.” You know what I mean? You can tell when someone does that versus when someone's been soaking in a subject. It's like marinating in it for 12, 15, years, or whatever it was. She just has a lot of that stuff [laughs]. You know what? I just used the image of marinating and marinating and microwaving are very different things [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Yes, that is true.Sy Hoekstra: One takes a lot longer.Jonathan Walton: Put a steak in a microwave, see if you enjoy it [laughter].Sy Hoekstra: Yeah, so I totally agree with all that. I came out of it thinking a lot about how the things that she said thematically kind of connected to some thoughts that I've had, but also just in terms of historical events. Because I told her this after the interview, when I moved to Switzerland in 2001 I was 13, my family moved over there. It was just at the end of the Yugoslavian Civil War, which was what she was talking about Bosnia and Croatia and Serbia. And Switzerland took in a ton of refugees from that war.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: So my neighborhood, there was a big apartment complex. I mean, big for Swiss standards, kind of small honestly for American standards. But there's an apartment complex around the corner from my house that they had put a bunch of Bosnian refugees in. And their school was right down the road, the public school. And so my neighborhood in high school was like the kids playing around in the streets and in the playground or whatever were Bosnian refugees. And the combination of the three countries, Serbian, Croatia and Bosnia, used to be one big thing called Yugoslavia, right.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: And the first two syllables of the word Yugoslavia were in Switzerland, a slur for anyone who was from that country. And there was just a ton of bigotry toward them, basically because they displayed poverty [laughter]. Like they were one of the most visible groups of poor people in Zurich. And again, like Lisa said, this wasn't about racism. Everybody's White. But you're talking about like there were ethnic differences and there was class differences. And people dismissed them for their criminality, or for how the young men would get in fights in bars and on the streets or whatever, and all that kind of stuff. And then, you know how a lot of refugees from the Somalian war ended up in Minneapolis and St Paul, just like where a lot of them were placed in the US, and then a lot of them moved into North Dakota.It's like, a lot of… which is where my family's from. I've been there a lot. I hear a lot of people talking about the politics in that region. And you would hear similar stuff about them, except that it was about race. That it was, “Oh, we have crime now because we have Black people and we haven't before.” I mean, obviously Minneapolis, they did, but not really in the parts of North Dakota that my family's from. And so it was this lesson for me about the thing that Lisa was talking about, respect for the image of God in all people and how when you bring people who are somehow differentiable [laughter] from you, somebody who's from another grid, you can call them a different class, a different race, whatever, we will find any excuse to just say, “Oh, these are just bad people,” instead of taking responsibility for them, loving our neighbor, doing any of the stuff that we were commanded to do by Jesus, to the stranger, the foreigner, the immigrant in our midst.We will find whatever dividing lines we can to write people off. It can be race, it can be poverty, it can be, it doesn't matter. It's not what we should actually be saying about poverty or violence, or the fact that people are getting mugged or whatever. What we should be saying is we have a bunch of people who just got here from a war torn society. They were cut off from education and job skills and opportunities and all kinds of other things. And this is, when you just stick them in a society that treats them like garbage, this is what happens every single time, without fail. And so what we need to do is [laughter] be good neighbors.Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: Treat people well and forgive when people wrong us and that sort of thing. And we just will find any excuse in the world not to do that. And it's because we are not starting from that place that Miroslav Volf, who I love by the way, said to Lisa, is the place where you have to start everything when it comes to these kinds of conflicts, which is respect for the image of God in other people. The fact that they didn't do that in Yugoslavia led to slaughter en masse, but it still happens when you leave and you put yourself in a different context. There's still that lack of respect, and it's still harming people, even when there's quote- unquote, peace.Jonathan Walton: This opens up another can of worms. But I thought to myself…Sy Hoekstra: Go for it.Jonathan Walton: …it's much easier to say, “I just don't want to help,” than it is to say, “This person's evil,” or, “These people are bad.” Because I think at the core of it, someone says, “Is this your neighbor?” Jesus says, “Is this your neighbor?” And the Jewish leader of the day does not want to help the Samaritan, whatever the reasoning is. Right?Sy Hoekstra: Right.Jonathan Walton: We're trying to justify our innate desire to not help our neighbor. As opposed to just dealing with the reality that many of us, when we see people who are broken and messed up, quote- unquote broken, quote- unquote messed up, quote- unquote on the opposite side of whatever power dynamic or oppressive structure that is set up or has just made, quote- unquote poor choices, some of us, our gut reaction is, I don't want to help them. And if we would just, I think just stop there, be like, “My first inclination is, I'm not interested in helping them.” And paused it there and reflected on why we don't want to do that internally, as opposed to turning towards them and making them the reason. Because they were just sitting there.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: The person on the street who's experiencing homelessness was just sitting there. The one in 10 students in New York City that is homeless is just sitting there. They're just there. And so if we were able to slow down for a second and say, “Why don't I want this person to live in my neighborhood, in my own stuff? Well, I don't like change. I'm afraid of this being different. I'm uncomfortable with different foods. I'm afraid of my favorite coffee shop or restaurant being taken away. I'm uncomfortable around people of different faiths. I feel weird when I don't hear my language being spoken.” If we were able to turn those reflections inward before we had uncomfortable feelings, turned them into actions, and then justified those actions with theology that has nothing to do with the gospel of Jesus, then I wonder what would be different. But that that slowing down is really hard, because it's easier to feel the feeling, react, and then justify my reaction with a divine mandate.Sy Hoekstra: Or just plug those feelings into stereotypes and all of the existing ways of thinking about people that we provide for each other so that we can avoid doing that very reflection.Jonathan Walton: That's all that I thought about there [laughs]. I'm going to be thinking about that for a while actually. So Sy, which tab is still open for you? We're going to talk about a segment where we dive a little bit deeper into one of the recommendations from our newsletter. And remember, you can get this newsletter for free just by signing up for our mailing list at KTFPress.com. You'll get recommendations on articles, podcasts and other media that both of us have found that will help you in your political education and discipleship. Plus you'll get reflections to keep us grounded, from me and Sy that help keep us grounded every week as we engage in just this challenging work and together in the news about what's happening and all that.You can get everything I'm just talking about at KTFPress.com and more. So go get that free subscription at KTFPress.com. So Sy, want to summarize that main story point for us?Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. I mean, this is interesting, because when I wrote about this, which is the story about Haitian immigrants in Ohio, it was two days after the debate, and the story has only exploded since then, and I think a lot of people kind of probably have the gist of it already. But some completely unfounded rumors based on fourth hand nonsense and some blurry pictures of people that have nothing whatsoever to do with Haitian immigrants started spreading online among right wing conspiracy theorists saying, for some reason, that Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio were eating pets.Jonathan Walton: [laughs].Sy Hoekstra: Stealing, kidnapping and eating the resident's pets.Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: And the absurdity of this story was immediately apparent to me being someone who married into a Haitian immigrant family, Haitians do not eat cats and dogs [laughs]. It's a ridiculous thing to have to say, but I say it because I understand, maybe you have no, maybe you know nothing whatsoever about Haiti and you think, “Well, I don't know. There are some cultures around the world where they eat animals that we think of as pets or that we don't think of as food or whatever.” And like, okay, fine, that's true. It's not Haiti, though.Jonathan Walton: Right [laughter].Sy Hoekstra: The idea of eating a cat or a dog to a Haitian is as weird to them as it is to us. I promise you, I've had so much Haitian food [laughter]. So basically this rumor spread, Donald Trump mentions that the debates and now there are Proud Boys in Springfield, Ohio, marching around with cat posters and memes. There are people calling in bomb threats to schools and to government buildings, to all other institutions in Springfield. The Haitian population is very afraid of Donald Trump. At this point, we're recording this on Friday, September 20, he has said that he will travel to Springfield, and basically everyone there has said, “Please do not do that. You're only going to stoke more problems.”And every last piece of evidence that has been offered as evidence, which was always pretty weak in the first place, has been debunked at this point. There was one, the Vance campaign just recent, the past couple days, gave a police report to the Washington Post and said, “See, we found it. Here's a woman who actually filed a police report that says that my Haitian neighbors took my cat and ate my cat.” And the Washington Post did what, for some reason Republicans never expect journalists to do, and actually did their job and called up the woman who said, “Oh, yeah, I filed that report, and then I found my cat in my basement, and they were fine.” [laughs]Jonathan Walton: Yes. In her house.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. And so I don't know, there have been a couple of blips like that where somebody is like, “See, I found evidence,” and then someone was immediately like, “That's not actually evidence.” There have been rumors of other rallies or whatever. It's basically just becoming a focal point and a meme for all of Trump and his supporters, immigration resentment.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: There was a story today about people in Alabama being concerned about, some small town in Alabama being concerned about becoming the next Springfield because they had 60 Haitian immigrants in their town of 12,000 people [laughs]. I don't know. It's all just bizarre. The main actual point though, around the actual immigration policy stuff, Gabrielle and a few other people, my wife's name is Gabrielle, and a few other Haitians that I've seen comment on this, keep bringing up the Toni Morrison quote about how racism is a distraction from actual issues.Jonathan Walton: That is literally what I was gonna read.Sy Hoekstra: There you go. Okay [laughs]. So the actual issue here is that there's this community of about 60,000 people in Ohio that has had an influx of about 15,000 Haitian immigrants, and so it's a lot of strain on the schools and housing and stuff like that, which those are real questions. But also, the Haitian immigrants are there because the local economy revitalization efforts led to a bunch of manufacturers coming into Springfield and having more jobs than laborers, and explicitly saying, “We need you to bring in more laborers.” And so they were Haitian immigrants who are legally in the country [laughs], who have social security numbers and temporary protected status at the very least if not green cards or whatever, have been filling these jobs, and not remotely even a majority of these jobs.They're just filling in the extra 10, 15 percent or whatever the workforce that these manufacturers thought they needed. And the story has become, “Haitians are taking our jobs,” which is absolute nonsense.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: So those are the main points of the story. Sorry, I talked a while. I have a lot of feelings about this one [laughs].Jonathan Walton: No, I mean…Sy Hoekstra: But Jonathan, what are your thoughts?Jonathan Walton: For a good reason. Let me just say this quote by Toni Morrison, “The function, the very serious function of racism, is distraction. It keeps you from doing your work. It keeps you explaining over and over again your reason for being. Somebody says your head isn't shaped properly, and you have scientists working on the fact that it is. Somebody says you have no art, so you dredge that up. Somebody says you have no kingdoms, so you dredge that up. None of this is necessary. There will always be one more thing.” So along with that Toni Morrison quote, I want to put that side by side with this quote from Robert Jones Jr.'s National Book of the Year, The Prophets.“To survive this place, you had to want to die. That was the way of the world as remade by the Toubab.” Toubab is a Western and Central African word for colonizer, European. “They push people into the mud and then call them filthy. They forbade people from accessing knowledge of the world, and then called them simple. They worked people until their empty hands were twisted and bleeding and can do no more, than they called them lazy. They forced people to eat innards from troughs, and then called them uncivilized. They kidnapped babies and shattered families and then called them incapable of love. They raped and lynched and cut up people into parts and called the pieces savages. They stepped on people's throats with all of their might and asked why the people couldn't breathe.”“And then when people made an attempt to break the foot or cut it off one they screamed, “Chaos,” and claimed that mass murder was the only way to restore order. They praised every daisy and then called every blackberry a stain. They bled the color from God's face, gave it a dangle between its legs, and called it holy. Then when they were done breaking things, they pointed to the sky and called the color of the universe itself a sin, [black]. And then the whole world believed them, even some of Samuel's [or Black] people. Especially some of Samuel's people. This was untoward and made it hard to open your heart to feel a sense of loyalty that wasn't a strategy. It was easier to just seal yourself up and rock yourself to sleep.”That to me, like those two quotes together. So the Son of Baldwin, Robert Jones Jr, great follow on Substack and that quote from Toni Morrison, an iconic Black female writer, wrote Beloved, The Bluest Eye, those two things together, like what racism does to a person. The giving up, the I just, “What can I do?” and the distraction for the people who do have effort, are just two roads that I wish we just didn't have to go down. But most people will spend our energy either resigned because we've spent too much or pushing against the lie as the powers that be continue to carry out genocide, continue to extract limestone from Haiti, continues to extract resources from Haiti, continue to destroy African economies through extraction in the Congo and Benin and all the places.And so my prayer and longing is that the resilience of the Haitian people and the legacy of Toussaint and all of that would be present in the people that are there and the diaspora. And I believe that is true. And I pray for safety for all of the people that still have to live in this, what is fastly becoming a sundown town.Sy Hoekstra: Right.Jonathan Walton: It's a very real thing. And I talked to someone else. Oh, actually [laughs], it was a DM on Instagram that I sent to Brandy, and she agreed that there's a lot of PTSD from when Trump was president, because things like this got said every day.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: All the time. And downstream of rhetoric are real actions, like lawyers and taxi drivers being mobilized to go to the airport to try and get the, quote- unquote, Muslim banned people now representation and get them to their destinations. You had very real terrible child separation that happened, that children are still separated from their families right now. And so downstream of all this stuff, are real, real concrete actions. And I am praying that… my daughter asked me this morning, Maya, she said, “Do I want Trump to win, or do I want Harris to win?” And I said, “Maya, I hope that Trump does not win.” She goes “Well, if Harris wins, will it be better?”I said, “It depends on who you ask, but I think there will be a better chance for us to move towards something more helpful if Trump does not win.” And then she said she knew some people who are supportive of Trump, and I told her things that her eight year old brain cannot handle.Sy Hoekstra: But wait, what does that mean? [laughs]Jonathan Walton: I just started breaking down why that is because I couldn't help myself.Sy Hoekstra: Oh, why people support him.Jonathan Walton: Why people would support him.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah, okay.Jonathan Walton: And then she quickly pivoted back to Story Pirates, which is a wonderful podcast about professional improvisational actors telling kid stories like Cecily Strong and things like that. It's hilarious. But all that to say, I think this is a prime example of the type of chaos and environment that is created when someone like Trump is president and the cameras are on him at all times. And I hope that is not the reality, because he absolutely does not have any meaningful policy positions besides Project 2025. I don't know if you saw… I'm talking a lot. He was in a town hall in Michigan, and someone asked him what his child care policies were. Like what actionable policy does he have? And he said a word salad and a buffet of dictionaries that you don't know what he was talking about.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs].Jonathan Walton: It was nonsense that somehow ended up with immigration being a problem.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: And so I think that the worst factions of our country will have a vehicle to live out their worst fantasies about deportations and violence and racism, White supremacy and patriarchy and all those things, if he becomes president. And that's really sad to me, and I think it's a preview of that is what's happening in Springfield right now.Sy Hoekstra: Here's another angle on this. And it fits into everything you just said, but it's just from a different angle, bringing a little bit of Haitian history here. The Haitian Revolution is probably, I can't say that I've read everything to guarantee this, is probably the greatest act of defiance against White supremacy that the world has ever seen. For those who don't know, it happened right after the American Revolution, it was just the enslaved people of the island of Saint-Domingue, which is now Haiti in the Dominican Republic, rising up and overthrowing the French and taking the island for themselves and establishing, like writing the world's second written constitution and establishing basically the world's second democracy.Really the world's first actual democracy [laughs] if you think about how American democracy was restricted to a very small group of people. If you read things that people in colonial governments or slave owners throughout the Western Hemisphere wrote and like when they spoke to each other about their fears over the next decades before slavery is abolished, Haiti is constantly on their minds.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: They never stop talking about it. It's actually mentioned in some of the declarations of secession before the Civil War. When the states wrote why they were seceding, it was like, “Because the Union wants Haiti to happen to us.” For the plantation owners to be killed. It was an obsession, and so the colonial powers in Europe, you may have read some of the work that the New York Times did in the New York Times Magazine last year, maybe it was two years ago, about this. But the amount of energy from European powers that went into making sure that Haiti as a country never had access to global markets or the global economy, that they were constantly impoverished.They were still finding ways to extract money from Haiti, even though it was an independent country. The fact that the US colonized Haiti for almost 20 years in the early 20th century, like the ways that we have controlled who is in power in their government from afar. We've propped up some of the most brutal dictators in the history of the world, honestly. We have been punishing and making sure that everybody knows that the defiance of white supremacy that Haiti showed will never be tolerated.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: And so it is so easy for Haitians at every stage to become a scapegoat for whatever anxiety we have about the world becoming less White, the world becoming less of like under our control. Haitian immigrants were the reason that we started using Guantanamo Bay as a prison. They were the first people that we ever imprisoned there. We changed our policies, we like… Do you know for a long time, they wouldn't let Haitian people donate blood in America?Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: Because we said they'd had HIV. They had dirty blood, is what we said about them for years. Haiti is not at the bottom because of its choice. That's what we're constantly telling ourselves. Pat Robertson went on his show after the earthquake in 2010, and said the reason that these things still happen to Haiti is because they did Voodoo before their revolution, because they're pagans or whatever. We will make up any reason to not just take responsibility. Again, like with the Bosnians, the Somalis, we make up any reason to not just take responsibility for our actions.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: And this is just a continuation of that. And I don't know that I have a further point beyond that, other than to say, everything that Trump and Vance and the Proud Boys and all of them are doing in Springfield right now is just a continuation of that. “You're immigrants that we will call illegal, even though you're not right and you are Black. Your whole pride in your culture and your history is about the way that you defied White supremacy, and you're foreign to us, and you are strange. And we will say that you do things like eat cats that you don't do, and we will just believe it, because we don't actually want to know anything about you other than that you are a monster who defies the way that the world should be ordered.”Jonathan Walton: Yep.Sy Hoekstra: I'm trying to stop myself from tearing up right now, and I don't know that I have points beyond this. Do you know what I mean? I'm just angry because this is like people, this is my wife and my daughter. I'm probably just taking time now to do what I should have done earlier in this process, which is just feel all the sadness and the anger. But that is what I feel. The Trump and Vance and the people that are a part of his movement are just horrifying. The fruit of their way of seeing the world is just evil, and I think that's where I'm leaving it for now [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities and spiritual wickedness in high places. And the very thing that Haitian people are called, evil, voodoo all those things, is what White supremacy is.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: That is evil, and that is wicked, and it has been at work for centuries. And in Jesus name, as Connie Anderson would pray in the work she does with White people around White supremacy and leaving that behind, and she says she just prays that it would be overthrown. That demonic power would be overthrown, and people would be disobedient to that leaning.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: And I pray the same would be true for many, many people before and after the polls close on November the 5th.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. So in the newsletter, I put an email address where you could send a PayPal donation to the local Haitian community center. We'll have a link to that in the show notes too. The Haitians on the ground, especially some of the pastors and the churches there, are doing some incredible work to try and keep the peace. I think people have been overlooking that. There was a decent Christianity Today article on kind of what's going on the ground in Ohio, but it really focused on what the local White churches are doing to help [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: And I really need people to focus on the Haitians, like what is actually happening there, and the fact that there are White supremacists marching around the town. And how terrifying that has to be for them, and how the people who are doing the work to keep the peace there are heroic, and they should not have to be. And they deserve all of our support and all our prayers. So I appreciate anything that you can, any intercession that you can do, any money that you can give. Any support that you can be. Any help that you can be just spreading the truth to people who may not be wanting to hear it or who might not be hearing it from their news sources right now,Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: We're gonna end there, then. Thank you so much for listening. Please remember to go to KTFPress.com and become a paid subscriber and support everything we're doing, the media that we're making here. Get the bonus episodes to this show, come to our monthly Zoom calls to have a chat with me and Jonathan about everything that's going on in the election. Bring us your questions, get access to comments on our posts and more pl

Amir Šahinović, počasni konzul BiH za NJW, koji svojim aktivizmom i željom da se promovišu vrijednosti bosanskohercegovačke kulture i života u Australiji, ostavlja snažan pečat svoje volonterske uloge. Prije nekoliko mjeseci, konzul je, u saradnji sa Bosanskom Etničkom Školom iz Sydneya, uputio dopis ministarstvu obrazovanja NJW i drugim relevantim adresama sa zahtjevom za reformu nastavnog plana i programa za predmet historije od 7. do 10. razreda, te da se u studij tog nastavnog predmeta uključi proučavanje genocida u Srebrenici.

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This Day in Legal History: Slobodan Milošević Charged with GenocideOn August 30, 2001, the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) announced that former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milošević would face charges of genocide, marking a pivotal moment in international law. This decision added to the existing charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity related to his role in the brutal conflicts that ravaged the Balkans in the 1990s. Milošević, who sought to prevent the breakup of the Yugoslav Federation through violent ethnic campaigns, was accused of orchestrating mass atrocities, particularly against Bosnian Muslims during the Bosnian War.The genocide charges centered on his alleged responsibility for the Srebrenica massacre, where over 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys were systematically executed by Bosnian Serb forces. The ICTY's indictment of Milošević was historic, as it was the first time a sitting head of state was charged with genocide by an international tribunal. The trial, which began in 2002, was a complex and lengthy process, reflecting the gravity of the accusations and the challenges of prosecuting such high-level war crimes. Although Milošević died in 2006 before a verdict could be reached, the charges against him underscored the international community's commitment to holding leaders accountable for genocide and other severe human rights violations.Walt Disney and DirecTV are urgently negotiating to renew their distribution agreement before it expires on Sunday. Failure to reach a deal could result in DirecTV's 11 million subscribers losing access to Disney channels like ABC and ESPN just before the NFL season begins and during the U.S. Open tennis tournament. DirecTV is pushing for the option to offer smaller, lower-priced packages that exclude ESPN, catering to consumers' preferences in the streaming era. Disney, however, wants to preserve the value of its sports content, proposing a sports-centric package including ESPN and ABC. The negotiations are influenced by ongoing changes in the pay TV industry, where subscriber numbers have declined sharply due to the rise of streaming services. The companies are also dealing with the impact of sports streaming rights, which have been central to maintaining pay TV subscribers. A new sports-streaming service called Venu Sports, backed by Disney, Fox, and Warner Bros. Discovery, has been delayed by a legal dispute with FuboTV over antitrust claims related to content bundling practices. The dispute underscores the challenges facing traditional pay TV providers as they navigate the growing demand for streaming options. The outcome of these negotiations will have significant implications for the future of sports broadcasting and the pay TV industry.Disney and DirecTV aim to renew deal ahead of NFL season | ReutersThe DC Court of Appeals has revived a lawsuit against Coca-Cola, brought by Earth Island Institute, alleging the company made misleading claims about its sustainability efforts. The lawsuit challenges statements made by Coca-Cola, such as a tweet asserting that "business and sustainability are not separate stories" for the company. Initially, the Superior Court ruled in 2022 that these statements were merely aspirational and did not violate consumer protection laws. However, the appeals court disagreed, stating that Earth Island plausibly argued that Coca-Cola's statements could mislead consumers into believing the company is environmentally responsible, when it might not be. This case is part of a broader trend of "greenwashing" lawsuits, where companies are accused of overstating their environmental commitments. The Federal Trade Commission is also expected to provide more guidelines on environmental marketing claims through its updated "Green Guides."Coca-Cola Must Face Suit Over Sustainability Claims After AppealX (formerly Twitter) is bracing for a potential shutdown in Brazil following escalating tensions between Elon Musk and Supreme Court Judge Alexandre de Moraes. The conflict intensified when the court froze the bank accounts of Musk's Starlink satellite firm after X failed to appoint a legal representative in Brazil by a court-imposed deadline. The dispute stems from Moraes' orders to block certain accounts on X accused of spreading misinformation, which Musk condemned as censorship. Musk responded by criticizing Moraes publicly and offering free internet access to Brazilians via Starlink. The legal battle could result in X losing access to one of its major markets, as the company has already threatened to shut down operations in Brazil due to what it describes as censorship. The situation reflects broader concerns over freedom of speech versus compliance with local laws in digital platforms.Elon Musk's X braces for shutdown in Brazil as spat with judge intensifies | ReutersAmazon lost its bid to overturn a unionization vote at its Staten Island JFK8 warehouse, solidifying it as the company's first unionized facility in the U.S. The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) dismissed Amazon's objections to the 2022 election, where workers voted 2,654-2,131 in favor of joining the Amazon Labor Union (ALU). This ruling certifies the election results, allowing the ALU to represent the facility's roughly 8,000 workers. However, Amazon plans to appeal the decision, arguing that both the ALU and the NLRB interfered with the election. Despite the ruling, Amazon may refuse to bargain with the union, potentially leading to further legal battles. The NLRB has already accused Amazon of stalling contract negotiations and retaliating against union supporters. The decision faced dissent from the NLRB's Republican member, who argued that the union's actions, including those by its founder Christian Smalls, illegally coerced workers into voting for the union.Amazon Staten Island Center Is Retailer's First to Unionize (1)AT&T has been fined $950,000 by the FCC for a 911 service outage in August 2023, which affected parts of Illinois, Kansas, Texas, and Wisconsin. This is the latest in a series of similar outages, including two earlier incidents in 2024 that disrupted 911 services across multiple states. The most recent outage was caused by an independent contractor who unintentionally disabled part of the network during unscheduled testing. Despite AT&T's vast revenues and close ties with the U.S. government, which includes significant tax breaks and deregulation, the company has struggled to maintain reliable 911 service. These issues come amid broader concerns about AT&T's network security, as recent hacks have compromised the data of over 73 million customers. Critics argue that the government's lenient oversight and generous financial support of AT&T have contributed to its ongoing performance problems, including these critical service failures.AT&T Has To Settle Over Another 911 Outage, This Time For $950k | TechdirtThis week's closing theme is by Georg Böhm.This week's closing theme brings us into the contemplative world of Georg Böhm, a prominent figure in the German Baroque era. Born on September 2, 1661, Böhm was a distinguished organist and composer whose works deeply influenced the musical landscape of his time. Perhaps best known for his contributions to organ music, Böhm held the prestigious position of organist at St. John's Church in Lüneburg, where he became a key figure in the development of the Northern German organ school. His music is marked by its expressive depth and innovative use of the chorale.Tonight, we turn our attention to his beautiful setting of the Lutheran chorale Vater Unser im Himmelreich, a piece that perfectly captures the devotional spirit of the Baroque period. This work is a chorale prelude for organ, where Böhm takes the familiar melody of the Lord's Prayer and weaves it into an intricate and reflective tapestry of sound. Through his masterful use of counterpoint and ornamentation, Böhm brings out the theological and emotional depth of the text, creating a piece that is both meditative and majestic. As we listen, we can appreciate Böhm's ability to transform a simple hymn tune into a profound musical meditation, making it a fitting choice for our closing theme. Enjoy the rich harmonies and spiritual resonance of Georg Böhm's Vater Unser im Himmelreich. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.minimumcomp.com/subscribe

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(01:19) Afgelopen week werd de genocide in Srebrenica voor het eerst wereldwijd herdacht. Terwijl tienduizenden bezoekers daar bij de begraafplaats en het museum verwacht werden, dreigen andere plaatsen van herinnering te verdwijnen. Marjolein Koster is te gast. (17:52) OVT op reis gaat naar de Braziliaanse stad Recife, waar de eerste synagoge in Zuid-Amerika is gebouwd door Nederlandse Joden. Mariana De Campos Françozo, gepromoveerd op de Nederlands-Braziliaanse koloniale geschiedenis, is te gast. (31:17) In de zomer laten we historische documentaires horen die niet voor OVT gemaakt zijn. Dit keer een aflevering van Ongesigneerd uit 2018, een podcast over onopvallend design. In deze aflevering: het paspoort. Een verhaal met een dubieuze glansrol voor de ambtenaar en collaborateur Jacob Lentz, de bedenker van het bevolkingsregister en het persoonsbewijs. Gemaakt door Tjitske Mussche en Laura Stek.

In this episode, Adam, Alexandra and Nina discuss recent horrific attacks on Ukraine, Orbans' visit to Kyiv and Moscow, and the Washington NATO summit. They also commemorate the July 11th Srebrenica massacre remembrance day and recommend a film Qua Vadis, Aida? which dramatizes events of the Srebrenica massacre.Later, Alexandra and Nina are joined by Dominika Hajdu, the Policy Director of the Center for Democracy & Resilience at GLOBSEC, a global think-tank based in Bratislava focused on providing a better understanding of global trends and their consequences for society, economy and security. Dominika speaks about their new report GLOBSEC Trends 2024: CEE which sheds light on how nine countries of Central and Eastern Europe view EU, NATO, Russia, or China, and to what extent they support Ukraine, and whether they are satisfied with democracy or believe in manipulative narratives. You can check out GLOBSEC's activities and website: https://www.globsec.org/You can read the GLOBSEC Trends 2024 report: https://www.globsec.org/sites/default/files/2024-05/GLOBSEC%20TRENDS%202024.pdf  Support Talk Eastern Europe here: patreon.com/talkeasterneurope 

durée : 00:10:39 - La Question du jour - par : Quentin Lafay - Aujourd'hui se tient la première Journée internationale de commémoration du génocide de Srebrenica, 29 ans après le massacre commis dans cette enclave bosniaque au cœur d'un territoire alors contrôlé par les Serbes. - invités : Florence Hartmann Ancienne porte-parole de la procureuse du Tribunal pénal international pour l'ex-Yougoslavie (TPIY) et correspondante du journal Le Monde pendant le conflit des Balkans

durée : 02:00:10 - Les Matins d'été - par : Quentin Lafay - .

El 11 de julio de 1995, meses antes del fin de la guerra de Bosnia, las fuerzas serbias de Bosnia-Herzegovina entraron a Srebrenica y mataron a cerca de 8.000 adolescentes y hombres musulmanes. Era una zona protegida por los casos azules de Naciones Unidas. Vamos a estar en Washington en la jornada de cierre de la cumbre de la OTAN y vamos a hablar con el portavoz de la ONU en Ucrania. Estaremos en Alemania en la inauguración de un memorial que antes fue cárcel, también en Colombia, pionero en desarrollar tecnologías para identificar casos de problemas mentales sobre todo en menores. Hablaremos de la situación que vive Haití, cada vez mas insostenible y de la situación de los migrantes entre México y Estados Unidos. Escuchar audio

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Sign up to Brilliant and you'll also get 20% off an annual premium subscription: https://brilliant.org/tldr/Welcome to the TLDR News Daily BriefingIn today's episode, we run through why Germany's AfD is losing all its allies. Also, we discuss the UK election campaigns ramping up; China stepping up military drills in Taiwan; and the UN resolution on the Srebrenica genocide.

Am 11. Juli wird künftig dem Völkermord von Srebrenica gedacht, bei dem 8000 bosnische Muslime von bosnischen Serben getötet wurden. Serbien wehrte sich vehement gegen die UNO-Resolution, trotzdem wurde sie mit 84 zu 19 Stimmen angenommen, wobei sich 68 Länder der Stimme enthielten. Weitere Themen: * Israel bombardiert Gaza weiterhin und nehme damit viele zivile Opfer in Kauf, sagt unsere Auslandredaktorin. Es gebe kaum sichere Orte und die Versorgungslage sei katastrophal. * Auf Mallorca ist ein Restaurantgebäude eingestürzt. Mindestens vier Menschen kamen dabei ums Leben, 16 wurden verletzt. Warum das Gebäude einstürzte, ist noch unklar.

1-Striscia di Gaza. La corte internazionale di Giustizia ordina a Israele di fermare l'offensiva a Rafah. La decisione dell'Aja chiude una settimana di sole cattive notizie per Tel Aviv: dalla richiesta di un mandato di arresto per Netanyahu da parte del TPI al riconoscimento della Palestina da parte di Irlanda, Spagna e Norvegia 2-Bosnia Erzegovina 11 luglio. l'Assemblea Generale dell'Onu dichiara quella data Giornata internazionale del ricordo del genocidio di Srebrenica. la risoluzione è stata fortemente osteggiata dalla Serbia. ( Massimo moratti – OBC) 3-Gran Bretagna. In vista delle elezioni anticipate del 4 luglio il premier Rishi Sunak e il leader laburista Keir Starmer hanno concordato due duelli TV. 4-Sudafrica. Tra 5 giorni l'ANC per la prima volta rischia di scendere sotto il 50 % dei consensi. Le elezioni cadono a 30 anni esatti dalla vittoria di Nelson Mandela. ( 5-Il linguaggio dei populismi, un contagio globale. É il tema della rubrica sulla mondialità

Our guests, Mark Lowcock and Nabila Ramdani, discuss the latest from Gaza, the UN's vote on Srebrenica genocide memorial day, how the Rwanda plan could affect the UK's general election and Bark Air's inaugural flight. Plus: a letter from Baden-Baden.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Este 23 de mayo se espera que la Asamblea General de la ONU vote una resolución para la creación de un Día Internacional de Recuerdo de las víctimas de la masacre de Srebrenica, acaecida en 1995, cuando se estima que cerca de 8.000 musulmanes fueron asesinados por las tropas serbobosnias. La posible aprobación de la resolución propuesta en Naciones Unidas está generando polémica porque hay quien argumenta que fue elaborada y enfocada primordialmente sobre una forma de ver el conflicto. Magdalena Garrido Caballero es Directora del Seminario Permanente Historia y Memorias de la Universidad de Murcia.Escuchar audio

Con las elecciones europeas a la vuelta de la esquina y la campaña a punto de arrancar, los candidatos de las grandes coaliciones que esperan ocupar el mayor número de escaños en el Parlamento Europeo han debatido sobre diversos temas, los más candentes del escenario europeo, como la defensa, la inmigración o la economía.Vamos a hablar hoy en "Cinco Continentes" de Nueva Caledonia, donde se encuentra el presidente francés Macron intentando sofocar la crisis que ha provocado varios muertos y decenas de heridos estos días. Conectaremos con nuestro enviado especial al noreste de Ucrania, Fran Sevilla, y les contaremos cómo han sido las maniobras militares chinas alrededor de la isla de Taiwan. Tendremos entrevista sobre la resolución de Naciones Unidas que ha dado luz verde a la creación de un día internacional de conmemoración de la matanza de Srebrenica, y entre otros asuntos les hablamos del escritor Salman Rushdie, amenazado durante años por Irán.Escuchar audio

Feiern zum 75. Jahrestag des Grundgesetzes, AfD wird aus der Fraktion Identität und Demokratie im EU-Parlament ausgeschlossen, Kritik an Ursula von der Leyen bei TV-Debatte der EU-Spitzenkandidaten und -kandidatinnen, China startet Manöver rund um die Inselrepublik Taiwan, Nach Unruhen ist Präsident Macron zu Gesprächen in dem französischen Überseegebiet Neu-Kaledonien, UN-Vollversammlung beschließt Gedenktag für das Massaker von Srebrenica 1995, Trotz Belegschaftsprotesten verkauft Thyssenkrupp Teile der Stahlsparte, Rolf Breuer - ehemaliger Chef der Deutschen Bank - im Alter von 86 Jahren gestorben, Atalanta Bergamo gewinnt Europa-League, Schweiz zieht ins Viertelfinale der Eishockey-WM ein, Das Wetter Hinweis: Die Beiträge zu den Themen "Europa-League" und "Eishockey-WM" dürfen aus rechtlichen Gründen nicht auf tagesschau.de gezeigt werden.

*) Israel kills 25 Palestinians, including 10+ minors, in Gaza https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/live-blog-israel-kills-25-palestinians-including-10-minors-in-gaza-18165361 Israeli strikes have killed 17 Palestinians, including over 10 children, and injured dozens in Gaza City and Rafah. In Gaza City's Al-Daraj neighbourhood, 16 Palestinians died in an Israeli air strike on a house. One Palestinian was killed in Rafah when Israeli forces targeted a house belonging to the Al-Sha'er family. Earlier, Israeli forces hit a house in Al-Nuseirat camp, killing eight Palestinians. *) ‘New war crime': Israel bars scores in Gaza from Hajj amid Rafah invasion https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/new-war-crime-israel-bars-scores-in-gaza-from-hajj-amid-rafah-invasion-18165328 Thousands of Palestinians have been barred from performing the Hajj pilgrimage due to Israel's occupation of the Rafah crossing, the Ministry of Awqaf and Religious Affairs said. In a statement, the ministry said that “preventing thousands in Gaza from performing the Hajj is a clear violation of freedom of worship and international humanitarian law.” Hajj, the pilgrimage to Islam's holiest site Kaaba in Mecca, is one of the five pillars of Islam. Muslims are required to perform it at least once in life if they have the means to do so. *) UN set to vote on commemorating the 1995 Srebrenica genocide annually https://www.trtworld.com/europe/un-set-to-vote-on-commemorating-the-1995-srebrenica-genocide-annually-18165406 The UN will vote on creating an annual day to commemorate the 1995 genocide of over 8,000 Bosniaks by Bosnian Serbs. This proposal has faced strong opposition from Serbs, who fear it will label them all as supporters of the genocide. The resolution, sponsored by Germany and Rwanda, doesn't blame Serbia directly. Despite this, Bosnian Serb President Milorad Dodik and Serbia's President Aleksandar Vucic have campaigned against it. The 193-member General Assembly is set to vote on designating July 11 as the “International Day of Reflection and Commemoration of the 1995 Genocide in Srebrenica,” to be observed annually starting in two months. *) Türkiye applauds Spain, Ireland, Norway's recognition of Palestinian state https://www.trtworld.com/turkiye/turkiye-applauds-spain-ireland-norways-recognition-of-palestinian-state-18165045 The Turkish foreign ministry said Türkiye is pleased by announcements from Spain, Ireland, and Norway that they will recognise the state of Palestine. The Ministry said in a statement that the “recognition of Palestine is a requirement of international law, justice, and conscience.” *) Macron faces crucial showdown as he lands in restive New Caledonia https://www.trtworld.com/australia/macron-faces-crucial-showdown-as-he-lands-in-restive-new-caledonia-18165370 French President Emmanuel Macron has landed in the Pacific island of New Caledonia for a series of talks during which he will aim to turn the page on riots triggered by a contested electoral reform. Any attempt to convince the rioters to get off the streets will be a challenge, as will trying to persuade the French-ruled territory's pro-independence parties who blame Macron and his government for the riots.

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Der neue UN-Gedenktag für das Massaker von Sebrenica am 11. Juli sei eine wichtige Anerkennung für die Opfer, sagt Historikerin Marie-Janine Calic. Kritisch beurteilt sie, dass die Leugnung als Genozid verurteilt wird - gegen den Willen der Serben. Calic, Marie-Janine www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de, Fazit

During the 1990s, the government of Slobodan Milošević led Serbia into another Balkan war. His allies in Bosnia were responsible for a litany of war crimes, including the massacre at Srebrenica. The war left Serbia itself isolated and impoverished. A protest movement drove Milošević from power in 2000.Two decades later, Serbia has a president who served under Milošević and supported the wars in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo. Where is Serbia going under the rule of Aleksandar Vučić?Lily Lynch, an American journalist who's been reporting from Belgrade over the last decade, joins to discuss. She's the editor of Balkanist magazine and she's written for publications such as New Left Review and the New Statesman.This week only, Jacobin is offering a special May Day rate on subscriptions. Get a year of the print magazine for just $10! Use code MAYDAY2024: https://jacobin.com/subscribe/?code=MAYDAY2024Long Reads is a Jacobin podcast looking in-depth at political topics and thinkers, both contemporary and historical, with the magazine's longform writers. Hosted by features editor Daniel Finn. Produced by Conor Gillies, music by Knxwledge. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Nach der Räumung von pro-palästinensischen Protestcamps an der New Yorker Columbia-Universität ist die Polizei nun auch an der Westküste gegen ein Zeltlager vorgegangen, auf dem Campus der University of California in Los Angeles – der UCLA. Ist dies das Ende der Proteste? Weitere Themen: (01:06) US-Unis: Wieviel politischer Zündstoff steckt in Protestbewegung? (11:40) EU schliesst Migrationspakt mit Libanon (20:30) Bringt Bahnliberalisierung Zugchaos? (25:00) Streit um Internationalen Gedenktag für Srebrenica (30:24) Vogelgrippe-Viren in Kuhmilch (35:51) Nepal: Proteste gegen Mikro-Finanzinstitute

Deutschland plant, Anfang Mai zusammen mit Ruanda eine Resolution in der UN-Vollversammlung in New York einzubringen, mit dem Ziel, die Massaker in Srebrenica im Juli 1995 offiziell auf UN-Ebene als „Genozid“ anzuerkennen. Verbunden ist dies mit der Forderung, den 11. Juli zum „Internationalen Tag der Reflexion und des Gedenkens an den Völkermord in Srebrenica 1995“Weiterlesen

In this episode of the podcast, Adam, Alexandra and Nina start by discussing latest developments in the region including intensified Russian air attacks against Ukrainian cities, recent Slovak and Polish election results, protests in Hungary and draft UN resolution recalling the 1995 genocide in Srebrenica. For the main interview, Alexandra sits down with Dr. Hikmet Karcic, a Research Associate at the Institute for the Research of Crimes against Humanity and International Law - University of Sarajevo. They discuss far-right narratives and forces in the Western Balkans, how those relate to the broader European and transatlantic far-right, and how these networks have spread genocide denial in the region and beyond it. BONUS QUESTIONS In this patron-only bonus content, Alexandra speaks further with genocide scholar Hikmet, discussing the far right's prospects in the upcoming European elections as well as the implications of Bosnia and Herzegovina officially receiving EU candidate status.Support TEE and get access to bonus content: www.patreon.com/talkeasterneurope

Från 2020. I juli 1995 sker ett folkmord i Srebrenica. Över 7000 bosnienmuslimska pojkar och män avrättas - trots att FN lovat att skydda staden. Nya avsnitt från P3 Dokumentär hittar du först i Sveriges Radio Play. Det här är berättelsen om det som händer i Srebrenica under Bosnienkriget 1992-1995. Tio tusentals bosnienmuslimer flyr ner till dalen där Srebrenica ligger och staden förvandlas till ett enormt flyktingläger. Området är omringat av bosnienserber och det pågår en humanitär katastrof med akut matbrist.När FN 1993 lovar att skydda staden väcks ett hopp, men det är ett löfte som FN inte kommer att hålla. Under några dagar i juli 1995 avrättas mellan 7000 och 8000 försvarslösa pojkar och män. 2004 slår en krigsförbrytartribunal fast att massakern var ett folkmord på bosnienmuslimer, ett försök att utrota dem och minnet av dem. 25 år efter massakern har alla offer ännu inte hittats och identifierats.Medverkande:Admir Buljubasic: överlevde massakern.Nedzad Avdic: överlevde massakern.Teufika Sabanovic: flykting och anhörig till offer i massakern.Anne Mulder: tidigare FN-soldat för den holländska bataljonen Dutchbat.Sanimir Resic: historiker och docent i Europastudier vid Lunds universitet.Carl Bildt: tidigare medlare i bosnienkriget för EU och EU:s Höga Representant i Bosnien-Hercegovina.En dokumentär av: Martina Pierrou.Producent: Ida Lundqvist.Dokumentären är producerad 2020.