Podcasts about Peace Pilgrim

I Am Sustained By the Love of God - The Peace Pilgrim with David Hoffmeister David's talk is about the story and teachings of Peace Pilgrim, who began her pilgrimage in 1953 to promote inner peace by walking. Peace Pilgrim was an American spiritual teacher, mystic, and peace activist who dedicated her life to promoting peace through her unique pilgrimage. She walked across the United States for 28 years, spreading her message of peace and inner harmony. She believed that true peace begins within individuals and that people could contribute to world peace by achieving inner peace. Her journey was not just a physical one but also a spiritual quest. She lived a simple life, relying on the kindness of strangers for food and shelter, and she spoke about her beliefs at churches, universities, and on radio and television. Peace Pilgrim's teachings emphasized the importance of balancing wants and needs, living in harmony with others, and following one's inner calling. Her legacy inspires people worldwide to seek inner peace and contribute to a more peaceful world. Join our online community:  https://programs.the-christ.net/products/communities/tribe-of-christ Who is David Hoffmeister?: https://davidhoffmeister.com/ If you are interested to know more about David Hoffmeister and Living Miracles events, here is more information:  https://circle.livingmiraclescenter.org/events. Read A Course in Miracles online here: https://acourseinmiraclesnow.com/ Learn more about David Hoffmeister here: https://davidhoffmeister.com

I Am Sustained By the Love of God - Movie Gathering with David HoffmeisterThe movie Gathering and David's Commentary follows and adds to the story and teachings of Peace Pilgrim, who began her pilgrimage in 1953 to promote inner peace by walking. Peace Pilgrim was an American spiritual teacher, mystic, and peace activist who dedicated her life to promoting peace through her unique pilgrimage. She walked across the United States for 28 years, spreading her message of peace and inner harmony. She believed that true peace begins within individuals and that people could contribute to world peace by achieving inner peace. Her journey was not just a physical one but also a spiritual quest. She lived a simple life, relying on the kindness of strangers for food and shelter, and she spoke about her beliefs at churches, universities, and on radio and television. Peace Pilgrim's teachings emphasized the importance of balancing wants and needs, living in harmony with others, and following one's inner calling.Her legacy continues to inspire people worldwide to seek inner peace and contribute to a more peaceful world.To participate online in a Movie Workshop, join our online community: https://programs.the-christ.net/products/communities/tribe-of-christIf you want to know more about David Hoffmeister and Living Miracles events, here is more information: https://circle.livingmiraclescenter.org/events.Recorded online, Decenber 7, 2024, at La Casa Quantico, Chapala, Mexico.

In episode 60, Chris and Emma introduced the theory of positive disintegration in a nutshell. We did our best to make it as approachable as possible and kept jargon to a minimum. Our goal was not to deliver a scholarly presentation of the theory but one for the layperson going through positive disintegration. This introduction was created especially for the 2024 Dabrowski Congress for attendees who want to learn more about the theory behind the conference. Our hope is that it will serve for years to come as a primer for positive disintegration. As Emma often says, TPD is not only a theory but an experience, and those going through it appreciate a mirror that makes sense of their struggles. The topics we covered:- Background of Dr. Kazimierz Dabrowski- Nervousness, Psychological Tension and Big Emotions- The Five Types of Overexcitabilities- Types of Development, Developmental Potential and Multilevelness, and Multilevelness in Personality Growth- Hierarchy of Values, the Third Factor of Development (and Nature, Nurture, and the Third Factor)- Unilevel vs. Multilevel Disintegration- Positive Maladjustment, Spontaneous Multilevel Disintegration, Pain, and Self-Reflection- Challenges in Discovering and Acting on Values, and Organized Multilevel Disintegration- Transforming Overexcitabilities into Tools for Growth- Lifelong Journey of Personal Growth, and Personality as an Achievement- Resources, DC2024, and Final Thoughts Register for DC2024 at https://dabrowskicenter.org/registerIf you want to join one of Chris's courses this year, click here to register your interest and receive more information. We created Dabrowski 101 as a video and podcast episode. You can watch the video on YouTube.Quotes “The prefix over attached to ‘excitability' serves to indicate that the reactions of excitation are over and above average in intensity, duration, and frequency” (Dabrowski, 1996, p. 7, Multilevelness of Emotional and Instinctive Functions). "Making multilevelness the central concept in the approach to development means that we have to apply it to every phenomenon under scrutiny. It means that we are using a new key, or paradigm, with which to approach human behavior and its development. It now becomes less meaningful to consider, for instance, aggression, inferiority, empathy, or sexual behavior as unitary phenomena, but it becomes more meaningful to examine different levels of these behaviors." (Dabrowski, 1996, p. 10)“Discovering in ourselves higher levels of development, higher tendencies, and sensitivities, we simultaneously create them.” Dabrowski, 1994, "The Heroism of Sensitivity," an interview in Advanced Development Journal. "Do not run from yourself but conquer yourself!" P. Cienin, 1972, p. 40, (Existential Thoughts and Aphorisms). “Movement from “what is” to “what ought to be” opens a channel for resolution and direction of developmental tensions. When this channel is not open, as in unilevel disintegration, the tensions lead to severe psychosomatic illness, psychosis, or suicide.” Dabrowski, 1977, p. 43, (Theory of Levels of Emotional Development, Vol. 1) “Crises are periods of increased insight into oneself, creativity, and personality development” Dabrowski, 1964, p. 18, (Positive Disintegration) More resources* Download a PDF with the list and short definitions of dynamisms at https://dabrowskicenter.org/1977 * For more on "nervousness" and the history of overexcitability: https://dabrowskicenter.org/origins * The book we mentioned on the slide with five types of OE was "Mellow Out," They Say. If I Only Could" by Michael M. Piechowski.* Download Table 1 from Mellow Out, Forms and Expressions of Overexcitability* The following papers from Michael M. Piechowski include case studies of moral exemplars that shed more light on the higher-level dynamisms:* Piechowski (1990): Inner Growth and Transformation in the Life of Eleanor Roosevelt * Piechowski (1992): Etty Hillesum: “The Thinking Heart of the Barracks”* Piechowski (2009): Peace Pilgrim, Exemplar of Level V* Podcast episodes we mentioned:* Episode 2: Overexcitabilities and Pseudoscience* Episode 8: Surviving Disintegration* Episode 33: A Personal Journey of Self-Discovery with David SweeneyConnect with usPositive Disintegration on SubstackVisit the Dabrowski Center websiteFacebookInstagramThe Positive Disintegration YouTube ChannelAdults with Overexcitabilities group on FacebookThe Tragic Gift blog by EmmaEmail us at positivedisintegration.pod@gmail.comPlease consider supporting the podcast to help fund this work through the Dabrowski Center, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization.Find Positive Disintegration MerchIf you enjoyed this episode on Apple or Spotify, please remember to click on the stars and leave a rating or write a review. Thank you! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.positivedisintegration.org/subscribe

In this solocast, Rev. Carol shares the opening thoughts she presented at the 2023 Whole Planet Spirituality Forum & Retreat at Unity Village. The retreat theme was Peace Begins with Me and we explored ways we could evolve into Peacemakers on the planet. Nearly everyone wants peace, but are we doing the inner work to establish peace within ourselves? What we see in the outer world is a reflection of our consciousness! In this episode, Rev. Carol shares some suggested passages to peace. She also shares David Hawkin's scale of consciousness and the importance of aligning our values, words and actions. Finally, she concludes with a short segment on Peace Pilgrim, a remarkable woman who walked penniless across the United States 6 ½ times to awaken the world to our common humanity and spiritual potential as peacemakers. Links: David Hawkins Scale of Consciousness (below): https://life-longlearner.com/how-to-measure-consciousness-using-the-map-of-consciousness-3-of-7/ Power Versus Force book: https://www.amazon.com/Power-Force-David-Hawkins-M-D/dp/1401945074 Peace Pilgrim: https://www.peacepilgrim.org/ © the spiritual forum 2023

In episode 42, Chris and Emma continued the conversation with Catherine Zakoian, MA, NCC, LPC, a counselor and consultant from Boulder, Colorado, and author of Raising Gifted Children: A Practical Guide for Parents Facing Big Emotions and Big Potential. We started the discussion by asking Catherine to talk about how the dynamisms show up in her clinical practice with gifted children. She shared insights from asking kids to use symbols to identify the different parts of themselves and helping them work through and resolve inner conflicts. Catherine also discussed the tension children can experience about the world around them, reconciling their desire to do good in the world while also feeling repulsed by the state of it. Self-reflection and goal-setting can be beneficial for children. It provides them with an opportunity to think about their ideal self and who they want to be. By guiding children through the reflective process, they can develop an emerging personality ideal and gain the practice of self-reflection. We discussed the delicate work of acknowledging a person's past experiences while helping them navigate their identity. We emphasized the importance of not dismissing or invalidating someone's past but rather acknowledging and validating those experiences. Catherine brought up the fact that Chris has been learning Polish, and Chris shared a little about how and why that happened. Names that came up in this episode included Immanuel Kant, Joseph Chilton Pearce, and Peace Pilgrim. Note that we recorded this episode before Frank Falk passed away in April, which is why we talked about him as we did toward the end of the episode. The Fourth Factor was mentioned, a term that comes from Elizabeth Mika, but we didn't go into it in depth. Listen to Episode 17 with Elizabeth for more. Links from this episodeRaising Gifted Children: A Practical Guide for Parents Facing Big Emotions and Big Potential by Catherine ZakoianLumineux Institute (Catherine's website)Connect with usPositive Disintegration on SubstackVisit the Dabrowski Center websiteFacebookInstagramThe Positive Disintegration YouTube ChannelAdults with Overexcitabilities group on FacebookDabrowski Center and Positive Disintegration Podcast Community on FacebookThe Tragic Gift blog by EmmaEmail us at positivedisintegration.pod@gmail.comPlease consider supporting the podcast to help fund this work through the Dabrowski Center, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization.Find Positive Disintegration MerchIf you enjoyed this episode on Apple or Spotify, please remember to click on the stars and leave a rating or write a review. Thank you!

This episode is all kinds of inspirational.  First, you have Colleen talking about one of my favorite stories, Musa Motha, an incredible one-legged dancer.  If you haven't seen him dance, watch the YouTube video link below.  You will be in awe!  Colleen also talks about a special camp that is set up to help kids with missing or different limbs learn to cope with their differences in a positive way.   Teresa then talks about Peace Pilgrim.  Yep, that's her name and you can kind of guess she is a little different with a name like that.  But her story is inspiring as she advocated peace while walking across the United States SEVEN times and for 28 years.  Talk about a mission.  You have to hear the story.And don't forget to check out Musa Motha.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HUZO5JsFSA#WeStandWithUkraineWe would love to hear from you. Send us your comments or even your own inspirational stories at tangentialinspiration@gmail.com or give us your comments on our website, TangentialInspiration.com.Follow us on our social media:Website: https://tangentialinspiration.com/ Instagram: tangentialinspirationpodcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tangentialinspiration Twitter: https://twitter.com/TangentialInsp1Produced and Edited by Craig Wymetalek

Today I'm talking to George Kao about a controversial topic: charging more money to get more motivated clients. He wrote a LinkedIn Post about this, which I'll link to below. George is a business mentor who infuses his teachings with a unique spiritual perspective. Since 2009, he has helped thousands of coaches, consultants, healers and course creators on their path to creating sustainable and joyful businesses. George has published five books spanning the topics of Authentic Business, Content Marketing, Joyful Productivity, and Spiritual Growth. You can find George Kao on Instagram, Youtube, LinkedIn, and his podcast. Or discover his curated best writings & videos at www.GeorgeKao.com. In this episode, you'll learn about charging more to get more motivated clients as well as... George's own story and experience with charging higher prices George's (and my) take on the presumed relationship between higher prices and the client's commitment The right thing to do in pricing Pricing on enoughness What volume has to do with smaller prices George's current offerings and prices And so much more George's Resources George's LinkedIn article: Charge More Money to Get More Motivated Clients? George's Website Soul Gym Program & Community Connect with George on: LinkedIn Facebook YouTube Instagram Sarah's Resources Watch this episode on Youtube (FREE) Sarah's One Page Marketing Plan (FREE) Sarah Suggests Newsletter (FREE) The Humane Business Manifesto (FREE) Gentle Confidence Mini-Course Marketing Like We're Human - Sarah's book The Humane Marketing Circle Authentic & Fair Pricing Mini-Course Podcast Show Notes We use Descript to edit our episodes and it's fantastic! 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I think Humane Marketing is in the site, Geist finally, and I know that because after three years of running the Humane Marketing Circle with a very tight-knit community, now more and more of the [00:03:00] right people are finding their way to us because they want to do things differently as well. [00:03:06] And just a hint, if you're one of them, you can obviously check out the humane.marketing/circle and join us whenever you want because the doors are now open all the time. And I also know because I have some of the, Old guru marketer crowd people that I know from way back 2007, 2008 they are contacting me and congratulating me about humane marketing. [00:03:34] And admitting how burned out they really are from the old way of doing things. So yes, I truly believe that 2023 is a pivot year, and I'm excited for it. I'm always ahead of the times and it seems like finally the times are catching up with me and I'm ready for that. Okay, onto today's show, which fits under the P of pricing.[00:04:00] [00:04:00] If you're a regular here, you know that I'm organizing the conversations around the seven Ps of the Humane Marketing Mandala. And if you're new here and you don't know what that Marketing Mandala is, you can download your one page marketing plan with the humane marketing version of the seven Ps of marketing@humane.marketing slash one page. [00:04:22] That's the number one in the Word page, and this comes with seven email prompts to really help you reflect on these different Ps for your business. So today I'm talking to George Cow about controversial topic, which is charging more money to get more motivated. Clients. He wrote a LinkedIn post about this which I'll link to in the show notes, and I thought it would just make such a good topic for one of our episodes. [00:04:51] So George is a business mentor, he who infuses his teachings with a unique spiritual perspective. Since 2009, [00:05:00] he has helped thousands of coaches, consultants, healers, and course creators on their path to creating sustainable and joyful business. George has published five books spanning the topics of authentic business content marketing, joyful productivity, and spiritual growth. [00:05:19] In this episode, we talked about George's own story and experience with charging higher prices, George's and my take on the presumed relationship between higher prices and the client's commit. The right thing to do in pricing. Pricing on Enoughness. Something that George was talking about in his article, what volume has to do with smaller prices, George's current offerings and prices and so much more. [00:05:50] So I really think you will get a lot out of this conversation. So without further ado, here's George Cow and [00:06:00] myself talking about pricing. [00:06:05] video1268242934: Hi, George. I'm so excited to have you on the show today. Yeah, thanks, Sarah. This is a thank you for inviting me. Always, always a, a joy to talk with you because we share these deep values and I think we'll have a great conversation today. Yes, yes. It's a, it's kind of a, I. Highlighted it as a bit of a controversial conversation. [00:06:26] Right. Uhhuh. . Because yeah, there's different opinions about it, and I think anything related to pricing is always, you know, has different opinions and it's tough for people. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's one of the most listened to episodes, I would say. Whenever it's, I, I position it under the P of pricing. Yes. You know, you. [00:06:46] A whole bunch of listeners. So that's, yeah, that's great. And I'm so, yeah. I'm so grateful for for your point of view and your perspective. So, so let's kind of go there because I reached out to you again, we've talked [00:07:00] previously but I've reached out to you again because you just posted something on LinkedIn about pricing. [00:07:07] And the, the exact title was Change More Money to Get More Motivated Clients. Yeah. Charge More Money. Yeah. , should we charge more Money ? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of what I, that's what I want to unpack. And you know, I have some questions and I think. I think overall we agree, but then there's al also certain points where I'm like, Hmm, what if we look at it this way? [00:07:33] So Sure. Just Of course. Yeah. I'm here to learn too this conversation. Yeah. But maybe first. , it'd be interesting for listeners to kind of hear your story with pricing and Sure. When you started out, was it always clear how you price your things or Yeah. How has it evolved over time? Oh yeah. Thank you. [00:07:52] Yeah, so I think my history is instructional because this is, I've kind. Run the [00:08:00] gamut of the pricing in my industry. I started in 2009 with my you know, coaching business, coaching and training business. And back then I, I knew relatively little about online marketing, so I was learning from the big boys, usually mostly boys, back then the big players who were, were, it's so interesting. [00:08:22] It was, they were always there, all they all charged the same price. $2,000 or 1997 or 2, 19 95. You know, they always, they, they all, they all, back in 2009, 2010, they were all charging the same price. 2008 was when I started buying courses. So they all charged $2,000, which today is even more money. But no matter the lengths, like, or how long were these programs? [00:08:47] I have some of them on my shelf right now, you know, and it's not that, It's just, it's, it, it's shocking to me, genuinely. I mean, so the way they, they, you know, they call it stack the [00:09:00] value or, you know, stack the stack. It's like you go to the sales page, it's like you get, you get this course typically valued at, you know, $500. [00:09:09] This course typically valued at 3000. This course typically valued at, you know, 1,500 or whatever, and all bundled up, you know, instead of paying a hundred thousand dollars or something ridiculous like that, you're only paying 2000. It's like you're getting a 98% discount. Or it's something they, they, they, they did that kind of manipulation which of course, at the end of the day, they're sending you a bunch of PDFs, you know, they're sending you some PDFs. [00:09:34] For $2,000, they might send you something in the mail physically and you know, like a binder and with some papers and I'm like, I have them on my shelf. And as I look at it I'm like, this is stuff that, a lot of stuff you could, some of the stuff you can Google, but some of the stuff, sure. They have like sample emails they printed out and I look at the emails, I'm like, I wouldn't send this kind of email cuz this is some manipulative. [00:09:55] And anyway, long story short, those were the people that, [00:10:00] because when I, when I was learning online marketing, those were the loudest. , right. You know, and so $2,000 per course and with almost no interaction with them live, I think they had some like larger group calls that lasted for like, you know, three months or something like that. [00:10:16] But you know, I go on there and actually didn't really know what to ask in the early days and just kinda listen. And it's like, it's hard to get their attention anyway. So I thought, okay, well that's the industry standard price. So that's what I. , I charged $2,000. Now I thought I was pretty generous because for $2,000 I was giving a whole year of q and as with me. [00:10:40] Mm-hmm. , you know, and it's like a whole year of weekly q and as. And eventually, I, I went to twice weekly q and a for a whole year back in the 2009, 2002, 2011 days. And you know, I was teaching everything. I taught them everything for 2000 bucks and it's like so that's when I started charging for, for a course. [00:10:58] And, and, and, [00:11:00] I think for like standalone courses, I was charging like $700 or something like that back in 2009, 2010. Standalone meaning, okay, you take this particular topic like social media marketing or something like that and you get, you know, three months of q and a or something like that. So funny thing is these days my standalone, as of this recording as you know, there, that could change. [00:11:21] As of this recording, my standalone courses are a hundred. In 2022 prices mm-hmm. , you know, compared to 2009 prices. My, no, my absolute numbers have, my absolute pricing has gone down now. Gratefully, my income has been, has been good. Very good recently, but it's like the, it's like if you looked at inflation, I, I should be charging. [00:11:44] you know, a thousand to 5,000 easily for my courses now, but I've, I've brought it down to a very humane , I think, or accessible level of 150, and they get, you know, two months of q and a. And it's a very, you know, I, I [00:12:00] think my content is even better than it was back then because of all the experience I've had. [00:12:04] So, like I said, the experiences I've had, so the, the reason why I stopped charging those high prices is because I notice. , and maybe you have to, I don't know, Sarah and everyone listening, I charge these prices and people buy into them and not everybody uses the program. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. And in fact, a lot of people don't use the program to the extent that I want them to. [00:12:35] Sure. Maybe like most of them will like, at least get started, but then it's easy for them. Oh, shiny new object. Oh, here's another $2,000 course. Oh, here's another thousand dollars course. Oh, here's another fi. Whatever the pricing is. Oh, here's another thing that looks really good. Sign up. And so I started noticing this dynamic. [00:12:56] Okay. There's this dynamic happening within myself and within [00:13:00] the the student. I notice this, okay? First, within the student. I started to recognize, and actually this was one of my students told me this. I'm so grateful that, that, that he did. He said, George, you know, I, I started noticing something after a while. [00:13:13] When I spend money to buy a course, I sign up for a course. My brain tricks me to think that I've gotten something done. I've made some progress. Mm-hmm. and. That there's a kind of a letdown or the not, not a letdown. There's a letdown of mo. There's a, there's a decrease of motivation that happens afterwards that's like, oh, I've spent the money, I've paid, I've enrolled, I've signed up, and now somehow, somehow this not as motivated now to like do something with it. [00:13:39] Or maybe we should say that doing something with it is riskier. There's more. , the possibility of failure in involved. Right? Whereas the buying process is easy. It's like, oh, it's so exciting. Oh my God, this looks so great. The fantasy has been created in our minds for what's possible if we. You know, join this program. [00:13:57] It's like, and now I'm gonna make all this money, or I'm gonna [00:14:00] create all these results in my life. That's, the buying process is so exciting. But then the actual, after you buy, now, the rubber hits the road. You have to like watch the things, read the things, study the things, and then try it out in your own life, which could work, could not work. [00:14:14] It's. Much scarier now. And so the student, that's why it's so easy for them to go, well, let me chase another buying process. Mm-hmm. , this is, this is really dangerous. Yeah. And really a lot of, myself included, I've , I've all these on my shelf. I spent tens of thousands because I've been through that process my, so there's that dynamic. [00:14:34] And then my dynamic from the seller side was I was starting to feel guilty. About taking all this money from people and go, well wait, you barely went through module one, or you went through modules two and three and then you stopped. I had 12 modules for you and you, why did you stop? It was too hard. You want what? [00:14:53] And sometimes I'm like, hello, are you still there? Like, I'm emailing them, you know, they, they've moved on to the next product, right? [00:15:00] I'm gonna stop here because , there's a lot. There's a lot here. Yeah. There's so much to unpack it just in what you just shared, right? So there's the, yeah, the integrity piece, feeling. [00:15:11] You are not really actually getting them to do, to do the results because they just, yeah. They, they have this shiny object syndrome and moving on to the next thing and, and, and it, what I heard out of what you shared also is this empowering the client piece that has Yes. Unfortunately over the last decade been erased. [00:15:33] Like we only, well, we started to use these manipul. Techniques to get the buyer to buy, but they were still buying in this kind of frenzy and kind of scarcity. Mm-hmm. mentality that they were too frozen to actually get anything done or Right. You know implement anything that that you had sold them. [00:15:56] Right. And so that led you away from [00:16:00] charging these, these higher amounts. Yes. So what I wanna get into also is this relationship between, because what you talked about in this article is that. You know, you were being told that there's a relationship between the client's progress and the higher amount. [00:16:21] So these high ticket pricing? Yes. Price coaches, yes. They're telling us basically you have to charge a lot of money, right. So that your clients actually do the work that we want them to do. Yes. And. Well, yeah, I'll let you comment on that. . Well, there are two types of people, now this, whenever I say that, that's always funny cuz you can, you can segment personality types and humanity into as many ways as you want to. [00:16:51] We all, but I'll just, for, for fun right now, I'll just say there are two types of people, right? One type of person is [00:17:00] in the excite, they love the buying experie. , they love signing up for things, and then they're not really ready to apply it. And when I say two types of people, I mean they're, they're, that, those two types are within ourselves too. [00:17:14] Okay. For, for, for various things. I mean, I, I, I also sometimes buy products or services because it's exciting to buy and then I realize, oh, I'm not really ready to use it, or I'm not dedicated enough to that pro process to. Engage with it. Right? So I myself, ha ha, ha have both parts in myself, but , that's the one part is like, oh my gosh, bye bye bye. [00:17:38] And then, okay, I'm not really ready to, to, to, to, to do the the challenging work or the, the long-term work, you might say, of gradually making changes, you know, that create, create a different life. So that's one, one type or one part. And then the second type of person or second part is the person who. [00:17:57] More considerate about buying something [00:18:00] and once they buy it, they, they might even before they buy it, they might even go, you know, Hey, how long are the calls? And let me make sure I have them on my calendar. And how long does it take to do the homework? , you know You know, and, and then once they, they buy it very considerably. [00:18:15] And then once they buy it, they've already maybe even calendared in or they've set up their, their structures to actually use the product or service or program. And they're going to come to the q and a calls. They're going to ask questions, they're going to to apply things, and then they're gonna report back, and they're gonna see the changes in their life, you know? [00:18:37] Like I said, we have both parts within ourselves, depending on what we're buying and, and what stage of life we're in right now. Right. And both types of people, or both parts are within every single socioeconomic strattice, within every single price point. There are both types of people. I just, I realized that. [00:18:58] Mm-hmm. , because Sarah, [00:19:00] With the $2,000 people who were spending $2,000 with me just like that left and right. I mean, I, I literally have been, I remember, you know, the height of my high ticket days, you know, 2012 or something. I was on a webinar, selling on a webinar, my own product, and I got 35 people on that webinar to buy my $2,000. [00:19:25] So it was a $70,000 webinar for me, , right? I made $70,000 in an hour. Mm-hmm. and, and 35 people bought it. And I'm like, and then later on, as I, you know, did all 35, of course there, among the 35, there were some people who loved the buying experience. Not so much the application and then some people who actually, a few people who thoughtfully applied to everything, right? [00:19:48] But I was feeling guilty, obviously, of the, those who didn't apply things and just moved on to another product. So Sarah, so basically there, there's that. So there doesn't matter if you charged [00:20:00] $10,000 or Okay. Maybe a hundred thousand dollars. Well, even a hundred thousand dollars. I mean, I, I've heard of coaching programs that charge a hundred. [00:20:07] right? Yeah. They're out there and you might say, well, gosh, a hundred thousand, I mean, you, you must be, you, you must be like, maybe, hopefully considerate for months or for, you know, you, you should ask everybody, you know, should I spend this money? No. Some people make millions a year. Yeah, right? And, or some people have millions and they're like, a hundred thousand dollars. [00:20:25] Great. You know, maybe they, right. It's like every single price point, there are people for whom that's not a big deal. Mm-hmm. , you see what I mean? Mm-hmm. and, and what, what was sad for? Was the people who spent the 2000 with me, for whom it was a big deal. And yet even some of those people love the buying experience and are not ready or not willing to, to do the work. [00:20:48] So, like I said, every single price point, there are these two types of people. And the other examples there, I, my books at this time of this recording, my books are $5 on kind. . All my [00:21:00] books actually, my, my spiritual book is $1 on Kindle. Doesn't matter. My business books are all $5 on Kindle and I have some $5 book readers who email me and say, George, in chapter, you know, chapter 17, you talk about like, Hey George, I read your book, book and cover to cover. [00:21:17] I've read all your books and I've been applying it de and then they comment on my videos. And there are people of these two. every single price point, right? People who buy my books who like study it like, you know, on their nightstand. I mean, people tell me, George, I have your books on my nightstand, and I read the, I read a big a bit every morning or every night, and then I think about it, I'm like, This is wonderful. [00:21:38] Thank you. And yet I have what you're saying, basically, George, is that it doesn't matter really whether it's these two types of people, $50,000 investment or a five, $7 investment. Like I said, I, I have literally been to a conference where this, you know, I, I, I went to the conf. It was it was a Brendan Bashard conference I remember. [00:21:59] [00:22:00] And at the end of the conference, he sold his $10,000. $10,000 Mastermind or whatever, mastermind with several hundred people in the mastermind, so-called. And my buddy, I met a buddy there and we, we, we struck up, became really good friends. I thought we would be lifelong friends and we were so excited we were sharing. [00:22:16] And then he said, yeah, I'm signing up. And he signed up for it. I didn't because I was like, 10,000 that that's gonna, yeah, it's not really my price point. He signed up and I followed up with him. I said, how did it go? Whatever. And. I could, from what I could tell, he moved on to another program. Mm-hmm. . So 10,000 for him was just like, oh yeah, that's then 10,000. [00:22:35] So, so that's so interesting that there are people Yes. Typically, I, I, I ho I, I think, you know, if, if you look at some kind of curve, there are these two types of people. Yes. The, the higher the price you go. The more considerate people who are considerably buying that thing than people who are buying an impulse and just moving on. [00:22:55] Mm-hmm. Sure, there's more of them, but still there are lots of people who buy [00:23:00] on impulse or without the structure to apply. Yeah. Well, given that this is the Humane Marketing Podcast. Yes, yes. I mean, 10 years ago maybe you and I would've told everybody, well just, you know, try it out to put up a $50,000 program and you'll get those people who buy on impulse and Yes. [00:23:21] And who cares, you know, as long as you make your 500 K per year and you're gonna be happy. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's not the conversation that we're having here, and, and I know that. I heard that from you. It's like, well, my integrity told me to change direction and do something different. And so you, you lowered your prices, like you said. [00:23:46] And so that's where you're at now, right? You, you still have the group programs, but at a lower price point. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting cuz I'm just, right now as of this recording in. [00:24:00] Annual phase of launching my group program. Now it's two group programs for the next year. Mm-hmm. . And one of them is essentially you know, 2,400 for the year, and one is 1200 for the year, and 2,400 is my high ticket now. [00:24:18] Mm-hmm. , where they get three q and a calls with me a week. , it's like there's only 25 members allowed in that. It's like my highest premium is not 50,000, it's not 10,000. And after all these years, it started 2009. After all these years, my highest ticket is 2,400 a year and they get like the most attention from me and I get to know them the best and all that stuff. [00:24:40] And, and it's, and guess. , it's enough money for me. Mm-hmm. even, even though I live in San Francisco. Yeah. Yeah. You live in an expensive place in the, I live in one of the most expensive cities in the world, and yet, , I have set up my lifestyle and I've set up my price points and my business model such that, well, of [00:25:00] course you have to think about how many I sell. [00:25:02] And, and from 2009, now my audience is ab obviously bigger than it used to be, and I'm able to fill enough spots in my programs where I'm like, that's enough. And it's, and the, and the questions there that I think everybody needs to continually ask is, what is success? and why everybody? We learn, not everybody, not, not you and me, right. [00:25:24] Certainly. But a lot of the marketing people we learn from. It's like always more money. Always more money. I, I, I have a hobby of following the Facebook ads of people in my industry. Mm-hmm. . And every time I look at the ads, I'm like, you just, you're always selling more money or you're selling, oh, just copy, paste these emails or, or copy paste this webinar funnel I have and then suddenly you have all these clients. [00:25:46] I'm like, You know Right. I, I've been there, , I've been all over, I, I've been around all this and it's always, it's always these people like selling. I, I make 54 million a year. I'm like, really? Like, [00:26:00] yeah. And, and, and, and it's the, the question again is, is success means you have to make more money every single year? [00:26:08] Yeah. Or is there a different metric of success that is more sustain? in every way and more and le and more personally meaningful, you know? Yeah, yeah. I think that that's exactly what we're talking about in humane marketing. Yes. That's where it all starts. It's with your def definition of success, and not just because of personal wealth, but also humane marketing really tackles. [00:26:38] You know, our planetary health and wealth and enoughness and, and if we all are still in this individualism where we are actually making 54 million. Per year. What does that mean for the rest of the world? Right. And what does that mean with climate change? Because as far as I know, it's [00:27:00] not those kind of people who are then, you know, using that money for good and investing back. [00:27:05] No, they're still, you know, getting more jets and more cars and more and more and more. Yeah. They're still in that old business model. That. Yeah. That was very, you and I grew up in that business model, but it's time to change. Yeah. And I, I wanna, yeah, I want you to tell us more about this because you say in that article, I recommend charging your fees based on enoughness and I, you just explained a little bit of what that means for you. [00:27:35] Yes, yes. But I also really wanna highlight that this is different. everyone. Mm-hmm. , because clearly our listeners course are not where you are at now, right? Yeah. They don't have a huge audience, they're just starting out. Sure, of course. And so I sometimes have a problem with. You know people like us who have our kind of experience right. [00:27:57] Saying, you know, you shouldn't do this, [00:28:00] or height prices are not good. And there's kind of this trend of going lower and lower. Yeah. But then people who don't think about this enoughness, well they don't have enough if they're charging or people who are working on that part. Yeah. Yeah. So tell us more about that. [00:28:17] Enough. Yeah, absolutely. I, I totally hear you. So. Whether we should charge higher or lower fees? Depends on, well, like I said, I think okay, so enoughness aside, it depends on. How many we can confidently enroll . Right. So it it, okay. It depends on, depends on how much are we expecting and requiring of our business to support our lifestyle. [00:28:47] That's where it starts. Yeah. How much do we need, right? Yes. How much do we need specifically from our business, because Right. We might our, our, our, our grocery bill, our our rent, [00:29:00] our mortgage. , some of that money might come from other income sources or other wealth sources or whatever. I mean, yeah, some of us are lucky to have some family support. [00:29:08] I don't have any, but some people have family support. Some people have savings. Some people have a part-time job, some people have other sources of money, right? And so the question is, how much are you requiring from your business? Because the more you require from your business, then the more stressed you have. [00:29:26] Let's think about. The more stress your business has, right? It's like, I must like who, who, who says you have to make $10,000 from your business. Well, maybe you, but who says, why do you say you have to make, you know, if I talking, it's like, where, where did that come from? Like, you know, like, because the more money you require of your business, the more stress for your business is the more marketing you have to do, the more people you have to recruit the higher price. [00:29:50] Like it's all, it's all true. And. So that's really the first question I have. But, but let's say, okay, well, George, okay. I don't have a part-time income. I don't have family[00:30:00] support. I don't have savings. I have to make all my mortgage and rent and grocery bill, and, you know, insurance, whatever you're paying for from my business. [00:30:10] And what the question, of course is, is that true? Like, like, might it be a better and less stressful idea to get a part-time job? I don't know. Or to ask for some family support if that's, you know, reasonable, whatever. . Okay. Now that you've gotten some number that you require of your business thoughtfully, so, all right, fine. [00:30:31] Then my question is, how do you even, what, is that realistic for you to require that from your business? Or did you just come up your business coach or someone said you should be able to make 5,000 from your business? Well, is that because I, I always tell, I always ask people, when people gimme a number to say, George, I'm gonna make $10,000 or a hundred thousand dollars. [00:30:48] This. Okay, help me do that. I'm like, I can help you, but my first question for you is how did you come up with that number of making X dollars for this launch? Because, and usually it's [00:31:00] mainstream success definitions, you know, six figure, seven figure business, whatever. Because, because the thing is, I also have targets for my launches, but my targets, my, my numbers are very reasonably based on guess. [00:31:15] Pattern recognition past history of my launches, because it's like George, someone comes to George, I, you gotta make me make a 50,000 launch this time. I'm like, let me ask you, what was your last launch of this product? Mm-hmm. for this size of an audience. Right. Oh, my last launch, I never launched this product. [00:31:34] I never, I don't have an audience. I'm a never launched before and now you're gonna say you're gonna fit. I'm like, how did you come up with that? Because, The first time we, we could make 50,000 in this launch. We could. It's a possibility, or we could make $500 this launch. W the first launch is the start of the pattern. [00:31:52] It's the start of the history of your numbers so that we can then go, well, last launch you made 10,000. [00:32:00] Great, wonderful. This launch. Let's aim for, what do you wanna aim for? 15. , do you wanna aim for 12,000? Do you wanna aim for 20,000? Okay, well that means something has changed dramatically. If you're gonna go from 10,000 last launch to 20,000 this launch, something must have changed dramatically. [00:32:14] Mm-hmm. , did your audience grow double? Are you using a different strategy that any strategy that's different that you're using is always test? , it's always an experiment. Are you gonna change strategies on me? Okay. If you use the same strategy, same size audience you made 10,000 last time. If they're not fatigued by that launch yet, if they, if, if you think a lot of people haven't bought yet, then we might make 10,000 because of everything kept the same, right? [00:32:40] So in other words, I tell, the reason why I'm saying all this is because it reflects it. It therefore says what our pricing. Because you go, because my question is how many are you going to enroll this time? You know, when I say launch, I don't mean for the person who's at George. I don't have a [00:33:00] product. I just have a one-to-one service that's just ongoing. [00:33:04] So when they say launch, I don't understand what you mean. Here's what I mean. A launch in my definition is simp. A concerted EF effort to let your audience know about your service. That's it. Mm-hmm. So what, what I tell people is, I'd say gentle launches , which I think you'll really resonate with too, and you can borrow that if you want, but I say gentle launches, which basically means two emails. [00:33:29] that's it. Two emails to our list. If we have a list. If we don't have a list, don't worry. Two posts on social media. Wherever you have some Facebook, you have three Facebook friends, fine. That's . That's you're launching to three people, right? Right. You have LinkedIn's, you have 30 LinkedIn connections. Fine. [00:33:44] You post on LinkedIn, you're launching, quote unquote a 30 people. That's what a launch is, is simply posting twice, right? Is what I call a gentle. Anyway, so my question is how many, so. I always tell my, my, my audience, please do a gentle [00:34:00] launch every month if you can, if not every two months, at least. So the my question is, okay, every time you do a gentle launch of two emails or two posts, or both, how many do you expect to enroll? [00:34:12] So George, I don't know because I've never, I've never enrolled anyone. Okay, fine. We're gonna keep going until you enrolls you, until your gentle launch enrolls people, we'll have to tweak, you know, your launch materials, your, your launch messaging, your offer, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, but when we, we'll keep launching until you say, oh my gosh, this, this launch got netted me 10 clients Wonder. [00:34:33] Wonderful. Good. So then next one I wanna, I wanna interrupt you because I wanna bring in the pricing conversation in, in this piece. Yes. So, so if this is a new client who's never had anyone enroll or even just had a one-on-one client Yeah. What's your conversation there then? Do you kind of advise to go a bit higher prices? [00:34:54] So, because they somehow, the reason. Sustain their living. Yeah. Yeah. Or do you say, well, [00:35:00] you don't have that much ex experience. Let us start with a lower price just like I do. Yeah. But then it's not really equal because you have volume. Yeah. And they don't. Yeah. So you see where I'm going with this. So the reason why I said all these numbers about the launches is because I, I believe we should set our price based on how many we can confidently enroll. [00:35:23] Mm. , right? Because if I can confidently enroll a hundred people, my price doesn't have to be as high if I, of whatever I'm requiring of my business, it's all kind of cascading down to this moment, right? So if you say, George, I have no idea how many I can enroll. I'm just starting. So what should I charge? [00:35:44] Here's, here's my advice on that. You charge what you you charge. The number that is the perfect balance, which of course we're always finding that perfect balance. You charge in numbers that is the right [00:36:00] balance between what you feel so confident you can deliver a great experience, if not results, at least a good experience. [00:36:10] right, if not results. You confident. That number that you're charging is like, I'm, I'm feeling really good about this. I feel like, I feel like, guess what? I feel like they're getting a good. . Mm-hmm. . Yeah. And I don't feel resentful. I, that's, that's where the balance is. I feel good. I don't feel resentful charging this at this number. [00:36:25] Mm-hmm. and I also, they not only do I feel they're getting a good deal, they tell me it's a good deal. Mm-hmm. , see that's the thing, because Sarah, you know, somewhat could come on, could come to you. Go, Sarah, I think you're an amazing deal at a thousand dollars an hour. If I could spend an hour with you, a thousand bucks, easy, sign me up. [00:36:45] And if you. Yeah, I'm giving people a really good value, great experience. I mean, my time is so valuable. A thousand dollars an hour. No problem. Then I said, please charge a thousand dollars an hour, because there you got that balance between. Between, [00:37:00] maybe you would say, George, I would feel resentful if I charge 500 an hour because my time is worth more than that. [00:37:05] I feel my time is worth more because I could be doing many other things and I would start to feel resentful at 500 or seven 50 or 900 an hour and thousand makes me feel like, okay, you know, that feels good. That feels right. . Good then. Then again there, there's that. There's that balance between your feelings and the market's feelings and if the mark, if your audience, your market goes great, a thousand dollars an hour, great. [00:37:26] Easy sign up. Then I would say a thousand. But then a lot of people might go, wow, a thousand dollars. I don't know. I would feel badly if I charge someone a thousand, cuz how? What can I give them in an hour that's worth a thousand in my heart, in my experience, my ground? And I said, fine. Then we have to keep going. [00:37:41] until we get to a number where you're like, oh yeah, 150 an hour. I feel like I could really deliver great value and the market agrees with me. There's the number. It's so complex, isn't it? There's so much to it. There's our own integrity. There's the fact whether we're just, that's why there's no starting out or not. [00:37:58] There's no formula. There's no [00:38:00] formula is not there really is. It's there like you're a starting coach, therefore it's 75. Who says that? I mean, maybe the formula is such that there's a market message out. , right? There's, there's, there's market rates and maybe the mark. Of course, how we feel is right for us to charge is influenced by the market rates. [00:38:19] We see the people around us charging this amount, that amount of course that influences us and the amounts we've paid also, right? Like, like, you know my wife, she pays quite a lot for her coach. And at first, at first I was a little resentful of. Obviously we, we, we share money, we won't tell. And so I'm like, I'm like, oh, you're paying that much for your coach. [00:38:43] I'm like, oh, maybe you should try something. But then over the years I realized that the fact that she's paying it, it up-leveled her sense of the money as well. Mm-hmm. Because she's like, well, I'm paying, you know 200 an hour here, so maybe I may, maybe charging [00:39:00] 175 an hour for me. Just fine cuz you, you see what I mean? [00:39:03] So it's like, it's, it's, it's bo it's everything. It's the market. It's what we see people charging is what we pay ourselves. And that informs sort of our own intuition about things. And then when, then we, we go out there and we charge that money and we see what people say to us. And that whole thing has to do with how we build our credibility and all that as well. [00:39:21] Right. . Yeah. And then there's the complexity of do we offer this time one-on-one or is it in a group group setting? Yeah. It's a huge difference. Yeah, because another thing you mentioned in that article is, you know, you found that higher fees decrease client inquiries. So if you start charging a thousand dollars for a one-on-one session, go ahead, give it a try. [00:39:42] You're, you're gonna have a difficult or a more difficult time to find. At that price, but I would argue it depends whether. You maybe don't want all these clients, like Sure, course I give you my example. [00:40:00] I, I clearly say I only work with three one-on-one clients at a time. Yes. There we go. And I want it that way. [00:40:07] It's deliberate. That's how my energy works. I cannot Beautiful work with more people. One-on one probably should The program at one on one hour or something. Yeah. Yeah. And, and so that's, it's not a thousand per hour, that's for sure. But it's a, it's a higher investment. , you know, it, it is deliberately so, and, and I'm, it doesn't come from that argument. [00:40:29] Yeah. You know, you need to charge more so people actually do the work. That's not how I reflected and came up with that number. Right. But it, it's more about, well, . If I lower my prices, then I need to hustle more. That's because then that I have right. All these clients and yes, oh my God. And yes. And then I don't feel good. [00:40:50] That's, and I don't That's right. Have time to focus on my community, which is a very low investment. Yes. Right? Yes, yes, yes. And that takes me actually just as much time as [00:41:00] the one-on-one clients. Yeah, of course. Yeah. But I enjoy spending my time there. Yes. Right. And so it's also, you set up your business model about your own. [00:41:10] what you want, you know? Yeah. Not just what your clients want, what you, what do you want as well. Yeah, yeah. You're exactly right. I mean, there are I mean, back to example of my wife who is a therapist. Like she used to see 18 to 20 client hours per week. and there are therapists who see even, hi, like I've heard a therapist who see 22 to 25. [00:41:34] I mean, that's a lot. Yes. I mean, it, it's like emotional labor, a lot of emotional labor, you know, all that presence and all. It's interesting. But anyway, it's like, now, you know, now she doesn't want to spend as much energy on that, and now she's like, and now the rate goes up. And so, so absolutely. It's like you, you, we, we need to set. [00:41:54] You know, with experience, with the grounded experience of what we enjoy doing, what where [00:42:00] we feel like we're giving the best value, we need to set up our business model such that it the business model has to do with our gifts, our talent, and our. and our pricing, and it's like we set that up in such a way that, okay, I have a group thing here. [00:42:18] I have a one-to-one thing here. Maybe I sell online courses, you know, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. Maybe I sometimes do intensives or retreats. I offer that, you know, et cetera. Yeah. . Yeah. I like the mix because that feels like that's fair, right? There's different options. Mm-hmm. . Yes. And your clients, depending on where they're at, they choose what they can afford and you know what feels good for them as well. [00:42:41] Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so it, so this whole thing of like motivating let's talk about a bit about that because mm-hmm. , that's kind of where I first heard. , it's you, you charge more. Could you get people who are more willing to apply, more willing to like, like I, you [00:43:00] know, we started from that in the very beginning. [00:43:01] Yeah. But then the question is, well then if I, if I'm not using the high price to motivate people, how do I motivate them? Mm-hmm. . Okay. And I say there's basically two ways. One way is, well, you've got to learn how to structure your program. more effectively, whether your one-on-one program or your group program. [00:43:25] You have some accountability structures in there. You have sort of like easy onboarding, stepping in so that they start to feel momentum. I mean, you gotta, these are all program design questions that the more experience you get at that, the more you go, okay, this is how I really, I I don't overwhelm people in the beginning or whatever. [00:43:43] Like, get them going and get them seeing that they're, it's possible. Oh my gosh, this, there's something possible here. I'm gonna keep going. I'm gonna invest more of my energy cuz sure you got them to invest the money. , but it's a whole other skillset. Get them to invest their energy, right? Mm-hmm. . So, so, because [00:44:00] that's just as, that's more important, even for their own transformation. [00:44:02] So that's one side of it is like program design. And then the other side of it is, you might say credibility because the more, like, I'll give you an example, right? , everyone probably most people here have heard of Brene Brown. Mm-hmm. or, or, or let's say Tony Robbins. Pick, pick your, pick your I prefer Brene Brown, but doesn't matter. [00:44:25] Pick your influencer that you really respect, right? Mm-hmm. , if you got into a program with Brene Brown that you were able to easily afford, hopefully it doesn't, you know, caught you a second mortgage, but you, you, you got into a program with Brene Brown, you could afford it. and you get personal time with her in some way, or, I mean, we would all work our butts off probably, right? [00:44:47] Mm-hmm. , we wanna show up, right? Because she has so much credibility with so many of us. Mm-hmm. Again, pick your influence or pick your thought leader that you really, really respect. Right? Doesn't have to be someone famous. Someone [00:45:00] who is listening to this podcast, Michael, my gosh, if I could be one of Sarah's three clients, knowing that she, she only picks three people to work with at a time, I'm. [00:45:08] I'm gonna work my butt off. I'm gonna, I'm gonna show up. I don't have to hustle and like, but I'm gonna really dedicate my self structure. Right. That's the credibility piece, right? Yeah. Right. Like, like that is what marketing at its best is about, is showing up with such trustworthiness that credibility is. [00:45:35] Well-deserved credibility is created and when there's such kind of credibility and they, they then, then, even if you're not so good at program design, on the aspect of they, it's this balance. It's like the more credibility you have with them. The more likely they're gonna do stuff as when they buy. And then of course the better the GR program designed, the easier it is for them to do it. [00:45:54] So, so that's how I think we should be motivating, aside from the price [00:46:00] point, which is a separate discussion, the motivating part really should happen in that way. So I love that you brought that in and it, and it kind of, you know, brings us full circle also to humane marketing or authentic marketing like you call it. [00:46:15] We're really Yeah. Motivating the client already before he, she buys the program, right? Yes. Yes. And that also means empowering them. That's right. I really find that it's time to give our clients the power back. Yeah. Lead them invite. Them to make a decision, a buying deci decision, but not push them down some kind of funnel and, and buy just so we can make a profit. [00:46:43] So it's that empowering piece that we need to really, that's great practice with humane par marketing. I love that. Yes. Empowerment is right because the traditional, conventional marketers are essentially trying to control. [00:47:00] As much as possible. Yeah, disempowerment, that's true. Right? Because think about it, like all the stuff they teach, right? [00:47:06] Like again, me surfing my Facebook, the Facebook ads and seeing the people on my industry and goes, do you just have to, you know, copy paste this or do this and set up the system and then you'll get people salivating. to buy from you. And then I, I literally saw , Sarah, you, I literally saw a video ad just yesterday, a client in my sentence to me, cuz they, he thought I'd find it amusing. [00:47:29] I found it scary, right? Because the, this person, this video ad was saying, what is this? These are the, the emotional color wheel. And in my program I'm gonna teach you how to get your potential clients through the, through ex, having them experience fear and then anger, and then greed, and then blah, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. [00:47:49] So finally they'll buy from you cuz you, God. I'm like, okay. . Let's, in short, let me teach you how to manipulate people based on their emotion, the emotional [00:48:00] vulnerability and their susceptibility to buying. Because you've put them through these, these, these experiential states that you have designed, you know, with the, with an ulterior motive, right? [00:48:12] Mm-hmm. . And so, and that, that's that. Persuasion psychology at its best. Mm. Yeah. Sarah, right? Like you at its worst, let's just say, because at its worst. Just making things clear here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, but it's, this is what people learn. The, the, the conventional, and frankly, if I could say this is, this is a real term, right? [00:48:32] Yeah. Psychopathic marketing. I, I don't mean to trigger people, but, but really, I mean, if you, if you, if you study psychology, And understand what psychopathy is. Psychopathic ex, you know, personality types, narcissism and all that stuff. It's people who are are, who don't have any qualms about bringing people through the emotional states so they can get the way they want. [00:48:57] Right. Essentially. Exactly. Yeah. So, [00:49:00] so that's, that's you and I, Sarah, are basically seeing that and go, oh my God, I, I'll say I myself have learned from those things. I myself have done those things. Same. Yeah. It never sat, it never sat. Right. Which is why I stopped in 20 12, 20 13. I broke down, like my, my, I had this kind of spiritual breakdown. [00:49:18] I'm like, I can't do, if this is going to be my career, I'm, I quit. I don't want it. . It's like, sure, the money's coming in, but it's like, it feels so bad every day and they're telling me that you, they're telling me this is success. Yeah. You know, and I'm like, this is success. I, I basically gave it all up and I, I, I, I ended up taking on this hero. [00:49:39] Sarah, you might appreciate this person called him Peace Pilgrim. Hmm. I don't know if you've heard of Peace Pilgrim, but never heard of him. Okay. She is, she lived she, she died in 19, 19 83. And this person's amazing. I'll just tell you this two minute story. She [00:50:00] grew up and had an early, early success in her life. [00:50:02] I guess she's very smart and had early success in her career, and then found it very meaningless. And one day she went into the woods for a whole night just to contemplate about the meaning of life. And she came out of the woods that day and. I'm not gonna work for money anymore. Mm-hmm. , and this is radical. [00:50:20] This is a radical person. I'm not she's my hero. I'm not. She's my hero in terms of values. I'm not like literally gonna sell everything I own, but that's what she did. Okay. So this is one of the classic stories, and she really made it work. She sold everything she owned and became a walking pilgrim. She walked from one end of America to the other end something. [00:50:41] 20 times in her lifetime, something like that. Oh, she walked, she did the, she did this. Some people like heard her hear her story and some some you know, sort of like I idealistic, you know, 20 somethings, try it out. And I, I heard the story of some idealistic 20 something, trying it out and like going back home to mommy after two days and go, I can't do this. [00:50:59] Let me [00:51:00] get a job. Right. No, this is an extraordinary saying. I mean, she, she literally did this not for two days or two months, 30 years. And, and the, the only reason she stopped doing it, so I, the iron, the biggest irony cuz she, she did this, she became famous. Walking, walking throughout America. What did she do? [00:51:18] She walk, she basically, she only, she helped everyone that she saw. Everyone who needed help, she went and helped them. And she never asked for money and she never asked for shelter or food. She, she just, she never asked for anything. And only when people go, would you like to stay at my home tonight? Would you like to stay at my barn? [00:51:37] Or would you like a meal? Every, otherwise, she was sleeping on the highway. She, she took blueberries from the road. She just, she never asked for anything. She only received, and she helped everybody for 30 years. She just walked like this and then finally she got so famous. She was giving talks now, right? [00:51:53] Mm-hmm. people invited her. She never took a single penny for her talks. People just invited her. They wanted her inspiration. [00:52:00] So in one of these talks, someone said, insist to give her a ride. They had a car accident and she. In a car accident. Isn't that interesting? Like she, so anyway, so, so long story short, I had this spiritual, I learned about her story. [00:52:17] I learned about other things. I had a spiritual breakdown, breakthrough in 20 12, 20 13, 20 14. Those years, like I just wrestling and struggling with what the meaning of life was and what my career should be. And in 2014 I reemerged and I said, I'm gonna, I'm gonna stop doing those high ticket things. I mean, whatever I was doing, I knew didn't feel right. [00:52:36] I don't know what the right part is. I was still trying to figure out humane marketing, right? I didn't know any of this stuff. And so I'd start experimenting like, doing one to one, like at the lowest price I could possibly charge. Again, finding that balance. Ah, this would feel resentful. This would just, just be outside. [00:52:52] the resentment point. Back then, I think I was charging like 125 an hour. You know, as many clients as who wanted to sign up, you know, just, and [00:53:00] then, so just kind of like gradually, gradually increase, increase, and then started a group program charging, I don't know what it was. I think charging $50 an hour for a group 50 $50 a month for a group program. [00:53:10] Then and like gradually, gradually raising it, raising it, raising it. Just gradually. So as my, like I said, that balance between, ah, this would feel resentful, you know, and this would not, that I just kept, kept going up from there. Shining that zone. Yeah. Finding it. Yeah, exactly. Right. And then to today, like, okay, yeah, this number feels right, this number feels right, and then the markets seems to be responding. [00:53:33] I have also, Sarah, like, I, like, I've also sometimes raised my rates too quickly. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Whether it's online course or, but it, it just shows that it's such an experiment and, and, you know, and, and also what I appreciate from, from your story is that it takes time to Yes. Really grow into the price that is right and kind of giving yourself permission to try it out slowly. [00:53:59] And, [00:54:00] and I think most importantly, listen to necessarily what everybody else is telling you out there. Yeah. But listen to Yeah. Your gut and, and just make sure. Also, I just wanna say it out again that you're, you have enough for yourself because you can't be a humane marketer if you're not also caring for yourself. [00:54:21] You, that's right. You want to care for your clients and the plan, but you also need to care for yourself. And you know what's, what's interesting is that enoughness. I had such a radical experience of listening to, and I recommend this to everybody. Peace, Pilgrim, audiobook. You just Google it? Mm-hmm. , it's free , of course it's free on SoundCloud at this time, and it's been free for all these years, 10 years, and it's still free. [00:54:45] So I'm, I hope, I expect I keep it for free, but the voice, it was actually not P Peace Program's voice who recorded it was like a voice. Friend of hers, but that voice along with peace, Pilgrim's words, is like the perfect combination and like settled me so much and it gave [00:55:00] me this feeling, Sarah, like, okay, no matter what Sarah, if Peace Pilgrim could have done it at that enoughness level, literally like never asking a single dime and like just waiting until F Food and Shelter came to her. [00:55:16] like, okay, that's like if someone was able to live like that, like. If I ever have to go homeless , right? I'll just be a peace pilgram. Obviously that's not, you know, realistic for the vast majority of us. It isn't, but it, it is almost like you have to come down to that level. And that's why I always say in, in, you know, when I talk about gentle sales and the yes, the serene garden and, and all that, I say, you are. [00:55:44] even if you never, ever make a sale anymore, . And I think that that is so important That's right. For people to understand. Yeah. And, and it, it's not something you just say you really, it's almost like you have to somehow go through some kind of breakdown in order to [00:56:00] realize Right. That well, and, and actually say, I'll say this. [00:56:02] All of us go through periods of low. , right? Yeah. Still to this day. Of course. Yeah, of course. I mean, I, even though thankfully I have been structuring my system so that my income is very, but it's like there are still certain launches that surprise me. I go, huh, wow, that was not as high as I expected. I mean, we all have relative numbers. [00:56:23] Low for me, maybe a while. He saw 50 courses that for that, right? But low for someone, maybe zero, right? I've had zero myself in the past. Right? So we all have periods of low sales and that period of low sales, I. instead of feeling easily to feel depressed or or afraid right or, or sad, or feeling low self-worth, or whatever. [00:56:43] Instead of that, here's my invitation. The next time we experience the inevitable low period, low sales moment, I hope we'll go. Oh. This is that opportunity that Sarah and George are talking about to remember and remind [00:57:00] and feel into the enoughness again of who we are right now in this moment. Mm-hmm. [00:57:05] Because if Peace Pilgrim could do it, and she was the happiest person that people knew around her, everyone around her goes, I've never met a happier person in my life. And she has nothing. Right Literal. Yeah, so it's like if we can sense into our current enoughness around us, like thankfully, hopefully this month we can pay rent, or if not, let's move to a cheaper place. [00:57:26] You know, nobody can sense to enoughness then. Then everything from there is abundance , right? Gratitude and the gratitudes there ironically, I think does shift. Whether you wanna call it vibrational frequency or whether you wanna just say that the gratitude gives us a positive attitude, which keeps us going. [00:57:46] It does bring, I think, better business over time. . You know, it really does. Yeah. Practice it every night, . Ah, yes. Good. This has been beautiful. Thank you so much for this [00:58:00] deep conversation about pricing. Go figure. You know, only two introverts can go deep on pricing . Exactly. So love it. Thank you so much. [00:58:10] Please tell people where they can find you and thankfully find out about your courses. They could Google me. My name George Cow. K a o g e o r g e k a O. Just google my name and you could go wherever, you know, my website or social media or whatever stuff is great. Yes, . Yeah. Wonderful. So thank you so much. [00:58:30] Thank you Sarah, for inviting me to this. You know, I knew we would have a great conversation and yeah, thank you for being such a great host and yeah, creator of this podcast. So thank you for. Loved it. Thank you so much for coming on. Yeah, thanks. Take care. [00:58:48] George outro: I hope you enjoyed this episode and you can find out more about George and his work@georgecow.com. That's K a o.com. George has [00:59:00] recorded over thousand videos and mini talks for his YouTube channel, and you can watch the best ones without opting in@wwwgeorgecow.com slash videos. You'll find the show notes with all of these links of this episode@humane.marketing slash H 1 55. [00:59:22] And on this beautiful page, you'll also find a series of free offers, such as my Saturday newsletter, the Humane Business Manifesto in the free gentle confidence mini course, as well as my two books, marketing like we're human and selling like we're human. And if you're an audiobook fan, I have good news. [00:59:40] Marketing like We're Human is now available in audio format on Audible or anywhere else where you get your audiobooks. Of course, read by yours truly. Thanks so much for listening and being part of a generation of marketers who cares for yourself, your clients, and the [01:00:00] planet. We are change makers before we are marketers. [01:00:03] So now go be the change you want to see in the world. Speak soon.

This guided meditation is a recording by Tasshin Fogleman. Recordings are licensed for use under a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license. Attend weekly live loving kindness meditations with Tasshin Listen to these guided meditations Support Tasshin on Patreon "You can visualize God's light each day and send it to someone who needs help. Your divine nature must reach out and touch the divine nature of another. Within you is the light of the world, it must be shared with the world. Visualize a golden light within you and spread it out. First to those about you—your circle of friends and relatives—and then gradually to the world. Keep on visualizing God's golden light surrounding our earth." - Peace Pilgrim

Joy Melchezidek joins me and she channels John Lennon, Anne Frank and the Peace Pilgrim.  How did this come about?  Someone suggested to Joy we speak with John and Anne and the Peace Pilgrim showed up as well.  So did my mother.  You can "Imagine" what John has to say, I found his comments about Pete Best interesting.  I threw out the conspiracy theory that Paul McCartney died in a car crash and was replaced by another singer back in the 1960s.  Those of you who might think that Paul died, well John got a chuckle out of that.  My connection to Anne Frank also reminds me of my mother.  There were both the same age at the time of Anne's death.  Both from Germany although Anne and her family left the country and tried to hide because the dissention towards Jewish people.  Anne left her imfamous diary and now she's helping other children who've crossed over.  The Peace Pilgrim showed up and this is probably a message echoed by all three, four if you count my mother.  What did mom say?  Well the typical, "Wash behind your ears, eat your vegetables."  Although  since she was German, "Eat your sausage and kraut."  Kidding.  I was lucky to have a mother who survived a world war that led to the destruction of her country.  She had such a different view on life and was a strong woman.  I asked her once, "How did you manage to get through the war, weren't you afraid?"  She said, "Yes, but we didn't have a choice."  Each of these people come to speak on love and peace.  Thanks to sister Joy for sharing her abilities so we could receive these messages.  

We are well and truly back - and what a time we've had since we last did the podcast. Catch up with all the craic around some of the best days of our lives! As well as, you guessed it, 5 things you need to know about.  Up first this week is questionable trends, followed by some Love Island chat which we didn't want to have but unfortunately cannot be avoided, they need to fix things. Our Fox of the Week is Mildred Norman aka 'Peace Pilgrim', a woman who walked and walked and walked...for peace.Nicola's trend this week is a handy tip, tenminutemail.com and we end with music news as normal and some fascinating research about how artist's music-making is impacted by winning a grammy.Feels great to be back team!We really appreciate a review if you have time to give us one. Thanks!Theme music by IJUNIJUN from Pixabay Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Peace Pilgrim (1908-1981) spent 28 years walking from coast to coast preaching nonviolence.Special thanks to Mercedes-Benz, our exclusive sponsor this month! From their early days, Mercedes-Benz has built a legacy championing women to achieve the unexpected. Join us all month long as we celebrate women who have led dynamic lives that have shifted, evolved and bloomed, often later in life, eventually achieving the success for which they were destined from the start. History classes can get a bad rap, and sometimes for good reason. When we were students, we couldn't help wondering... where were all the ladies at? Why were so many incredible stories missing from the typical curriculum? Enter, Womanica. On this Wonder Media Network podcast we explore the lives of inspiring women in history you may not know about, but definitely should.Every weekday, listeners explore the trials, tragedies, and triumphs of groundbreaking women throughout history who have dramatically shaped the world around us. In each 5 minute episode, we'll dive into the story behind one woman listeners may or may not know–but definitely should. These diverse women from across space and time are grouped into easily accessible and engaging monthly themes like Educators, Villains, Indigenous Storytellers, Activists, and many more.  Womanica is hosted by WMN co-founder and award-winning journalist Jenny Kaplan. The bite-sized episodes pack painstakingly researched content into fun, entertaining, and addictive daily adventures. Womanica was created by Liz Kaplan and Jenny Kaplan, executive produced by Jenny Kaplan, and produced by Liz Smith, Grace Lynch, Maddy Foley, Brittany Martinez, Edie Allard, Lindsey Kratochwill, Adesuwa Agbonile, Carmen Borca-Carrillo, Taylor Williamson, Ale Tejeda, Sara Schleede, and Alex Jhamb Burns. Special thanks to Shira Atkins. Original theme music composed by Miles Moran.We are offering free ad space on Wonder Media Network shows to organizations working towards social justice. For more information, please email Jenny at pod@wondermedianetwork.com.Follow Wonder Media Network:WebsiteInstagramTwitter

All her life she has had a passion to understand Heaven & Spiritual Wisdom & to share it with everyone. To date she has had 4 near death experiences. She believes all is encoded within our hearts at birth, and our job is to WAKE UP, REMEMBER, WHO WE ARE as ONE FAMILY & that we are everything. Judy absolutely loves sharing her gifts & talents of her Sacred Heart with others through teaching, guest speaking and doing personal Intuitive Readings, Healing & Channeling work with people all over the world. She is Divinely guided to know the information to share and which Healing Methods are best for you. Your session is Sacred and Blessed in Grace. All is aligned with your “I AM PRESENCE” and honors your Highest Good.

Melinda Clarke on Peace. Melinda Clarke is a Peace Pilgrim, writer and Peace activist. From her site she says, The dictionary defines PILGRIM as, “A person who journeys to a sacred place for religious reasons.” I believe it is certainly a person who travels a long distance, making it a journey if not to somewhere, then perhaps in search for some (spiritual) place or knowledge. ​WHY is the most common question asked of a pilgrim along his or her journey. It is unanswerable because the true WHY is a surprise to be discovered along the way. …"There is no time for anger. No room for anger. If we want Human Kind to survive we must seek another direction. ….I believe that the  ultimate poser to stop the arms race, to crate a nuclear free world…is the non-violent power of the grass-root peace movement.”

Jerzy Drozd is a cartoonist, teaching artist and prolific podcaster. In this episode, Jerzy returns to talk about the art of podcasting among other things. We spend the first half talking about podcasting and Jerzy's podcast roll call including Lean Into Art and 4 million Years Later. We talk about Jerzy's approach to teaching and how that informs podcasting, engaging with a podcast community, and podcasting as performance. As we discuss the building of online communities we take a turn towards the archetypal as we discuss the archetype of the Good King, when it is time for things to die, and what type of wizard you might want to be. Jerzy's current podcasts: Lean Into Art: https://www.leanintoart.com/ 4 million Years Later: https://anchor.fm/4my Some of Jerzy's legacy podcasts: Comics Are Great: http://comicsaregreat.com/ I don't normally do much with show notes, but we reference so much stuff here I thought listeners would appreciate it: The Emerge Podcast: https://anchor.fm/emerge Jerzy's Nerd Nite talk on 80's storytelling: https://youtu.be/_vxvcyhvlk8 Great Courses -- King Arthur: https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/king-arthur-history-and-legend Rob Stenzinger's "Listening Like a Coach": https://www.skillshare.com/classes/Listening-Like-a-Coach-for-Creative-and-Design-Leaders/1249058671 Legacy of the Heart: https://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Heart-Spiritual-Advantages-Childhood/dp/0671797840 This Jungian Life: https://thisjungianlife.com/ The Good King: https://thisjungianlife.com/episode-147-the-archetype-of-the-good-king/ Peace Pilgrim: https://youtu.be/6CAsjZqYPME

I talk to author and eace pilgrim Brandon Wilson  from his home in Chamonix. BRANDON WILSON, Chev. is a Lowell Thomas Gold Award-winning author/photographer and explorer, a peace pilgrim and long distance trekker. He has explored nearly 100 countries, including making an African transect from London to Cape Town. Over decades, he's been especially passionate about hiking historic long-distance pilgrim trails. In 1992, Brandon and his wife Cheryl became the first Western couple to trek the 1100-kilometer trail from Lhasa, Tibet to Kathmandu. Then he focused on Europe, trekking the Camino de Santiago Francés (twice) across northern Spain, then the Via de la Plata from Seville, and the Camino Catalan and Camino Aragonés from Barcelona. Brandon was the first American to traverse the 1850-kilometer Via Francigena from Canterbury, England to Rome. In 2006, he hiked and founded the 4500-kilometer Templar Trail, recreating the route of the First Crusades as a path of peace from France to Jerusalem. Later, in 2009, Brandon and Cheryl trekked the Via Alpina along the backbone of the Alps across eight countries from Trieste to Monaco, climbing the equivalent of 12 Mt. Everests. In 2015, he hiked the ancient St. Olav's Way for the second time across Norway and Sweden on an Explorers Club Flag expedition. Most recently, he trekked the Alta Via 1 across the Italian Dolomites and the Tour de Mt. Blanc in France, Italy and Switzerland. Brandon is a Fellow of The Explorers Club and was recently knighted by the Sovereign Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem/Knights of Malta. He lives in the French Alps. https://brandonwilsonauthor.com/

Dan tells the story of the remarkable transformation of one woman that had a global impact. As a teenager, while most kids were listening to rock ‘n roll, Dan preferred listening to the speeches of the ages. He had memorized the Gettysburg Address, could recite large swaths of Kennedy's 1961 Inaugural Address, Martin Luther King's I Had a Dream speech, and Lou Gehrig's Farwell to Baseball before he could vote. In a business career spanning 40 years, from bagging groceries to the executive suite, Dan has attended - and delivered - several hundred presentations and speeches. Throughout his odyssey, Dan has attended many proprietary executive speech programs. He is a four-time graduate of The Dale Carnegie Course and a Toastmaster, but most of all, he is a lifetime student of the great orators, past and present. Combining this experience with years of study and training, he has distilled and synthesized this body of work in his podcast, An Odyssey into Oratory, to create actionable strategies that people can use to leverage the power of speech in all aspects of their lives.

Up for an Escaping Society quickie between seasons? Teresa reads some of our favorite words from Peace’s “Steps Towards Inner Peace”. For the rest, listen to episode 20, “The Peace Pilgrim”, season 2.

In 1953 Mildred Norman renounced "an empty life of money and things" and dedicated herself to promoting peace. She spent the next three decades walking through the United States to spread a message of simplicity and harmony. In this week's episode of the Futility Closet podcast we'll describe her unusual life as a peace pilgrim. We'll also admire Wellington's Mittens and puzzle over a barren Christmas. Intro: In 1956, Navy pilot Tom Attridge overtook his own rounds in a supersonic jet. Flemish artist Cornelius Gijsbrechts painted a rendering of the back of a painting. Sources for our feature on Peace Pilgrim: Peace Pilgrim, Peace Pilgrim: Her Life and Work in Her Own Words, 1992. Peace Pilgrim, Steps Toward Inner Peace, 1964. Kathlyn Gay, American Dissidents: An Encyclopedia of Activists, Subversives, and Prisoners of Conscience, 2012. Rebecca Solnit, Wanderlust: A History of Walking, 2001. Peace Pilgrim's website. Michael M. Piechowski, "Giftedness for All Seasons: Inner Peace in a Time of War," Henry B. and Jocelyn Wallace National Research Symposium on Talent Development, University of Iowa, 1991. Michael M. Piechowski, "Is Inner Transformation a Creative Process?", Creativity Research Journal 6:1-2 (1993), 89-98. Michael M. Piechowski, "Peace Pilgrim, Exemplar of Level V," Roeper Review 31:2 (2009), 103-112. Amanda Kautz, "Peace Pilgrim: An American Parallel to a Buddhist Path," Buddhist-Christian Studies 10 (1990), 165-172. Roy Tamashiro, "Planetary Consciousness, Witnessing the Inhuman, and Transformative Learning: Insights From Peace Pilgrimage Oral Histories and Autoethnographies," Religions 9:5 (2018), 148. "Introducing Peace Pilgrim," Equality 15 (May 1969), 3. "Peace Pilgrim's Progress," Equality 1 (May 1965), 3. Ann Rush with John Rush, "Peace Pilgrim: An Extraordinary Life," 1992. Peace Pilgrim, "On Foot and on Faith," The Sun Magazine, February 2020. Katharine Q. Seelye, "Overlooked No More: Emma Gatewood, First Woman to Conquer the Appalachian Trail Alone," New York Times, June 27, 2018. Steve Taylor, "Peace Pilgrim: A Way to Wakefulness," Psychology Today, June 8, 2016. Paul Venesz, "7th Peace Pilgrim Celebration," [Vineland, N.J.] Daily Journal, Sept. 24, 2014, 9. "Peace Pilgrim Nominated to Hall of Fame," [Vineland, N.J.] Daily Journal, May 28, 2014, 1. "Peace Pilgrim Is Eyed for Hall," [Vineland, N.J.] Daily Journal, Oct. 23, 2013, 1. Braden Campbell, "Author of New Book on Peace Pilgrim to Take Part in Egg Harbor City Celebration," Press of Atlantic City, Sept. 11, 2013. Kate Murphy, "Walking the Country as a Spiritual Quest," New York Times, March 2, 2013. Zak Rosen, "Peace Pilgrim's 28-Year Walk for 'A Meaningful Way of Life,'" All Things Considered, National Public Radio, Jan. 1, 2013. Jason Nark, "Peace Pilgrim's Message Carried On," Philadelphia Daily News, July 19, 2008, 7. Sandra Malasky, "Peace Pilgrim Walked the Walk," Peterborough [Ont.] Examiner, July 2, 2005, B4. Bernard Bauer, "A 25-Year Hike," Berkeley [Calif.] Barb 28:2 (Oct. 26-Nov. 8, 1978), 3. Chet Briggs, "Peace Pilgrim Comes to Town," [Austin, Texas] Rag 1:15 (Feb. 20, 1967), 7. "Peace Pilgrim," Ottawa County [Ohio] News, Sept. 25, 1953, 2. "Heard in Lawrence," Lawrence [Kan.] Journal-World, June 29, 1953. Listener mail: Wikipedia, "Mittens (cat)" (accessed Oct. 10, 2020). Eleanor Ainge Roy, "'The Best Thing About Wellington': Mittens the Cat Has Paws All Over New Zealand Capital," Guardian, March 3, 2020. "The Wondrous Adventures of Mittens," Facebook. "Celebrity Cat Mittens 'His Floofiness' Awarded Key to the City by Wellington's Mayor," 1 News, May 22, 2020. "Feline Groovy: Mittens Unlocks More Hearts With Key to the City," Wellington City Council, May 22, 2020. Katarina Williams, "Wellington Feline Celebrity Mittens Awarded Key to the City," stuff, May 22, 2020. Eleanor Ainge Roy, "Celebrity Cat Called Mittens in the Running to Be New Zealander of the Year," Guardian, Aug 19, 2020. "Jock VII Takes the Helm," International Churchill Society (accessed Oct. 10, 2020). "Jock VII of Chartwell," National Trust (accessed Oct. 10, 2020). Laura Silverman, "Meet the Long Line of Ginger Cats Who've Taken Up Residence in Winston Churchill's Home," Telegraph, July 20, 2020. "A Perpetual Pussycat," Futility Closet, Oct. 21, 2013. Peter Black, "RIP Doorkins Magnificat," Blogspot, Oct. 5, 2020 "The Story of Doorkins Magnificat," Southwark Cathedral, accessed Oct. 10, 2020. This week's lateral thinking puzzle was devised by Sharon. Here are two corroborating links (warning -- these spoil the puzzle). You can listen using the player above, download this episode directly, or subscribe on Google Podcasts, on Apple Podcasts, or via the RSS feed at https://futilitycloset.libsyn.com/rss. Please consider becoming a patron of Futility Closet -- you can choose the amount you want to pledge, and we've set up some rewards to help thank you for your support. You can also make a one-time donation on the Support Us page of the Futility Closet website. Many thanks to Doug Ross for the music in this episode. If you have any questions or comments you can reach us at podcast@futilitycloset.com. Thanks for listening!

This is the fifth of a six part series based on great hymns of the faith. This week, our focus is on peace, the kind we can only receive from the Prince of Peace. Our first hymn is "O God, in restless living." Lyrics may be found at https://hymnary.org/text/o_god_in_restless_living. Our sermon is based on the hymn "Dear Lord and Father of mankind," which can be found here: https://hymnary.org/text/dear_lord_and_father_of_mankind. Our benediction is "Peace Pilgrim's Prayer." It is a canon based on a favorite verse, Psalm 46:10. An explanation and lyrics may be found at https://www.shawnkirchner.com/composition/satb-anthems-worship-music/peace-pilgrims-prayer-peace-be-still/. May God bless you with peace!

This week we continue our August Sermon Series, People and Practices of Peace with the concept of Walking for Peace. Rev. Sarah and Beth Silkensen Zywicki reflect on the teachings of the Peace Pilgrim, a women who walked 25,000 miles all to spread the words and practices of peace.

In Folge 59 ist Laura Karasinski, Designerin und Gründerin des Atelier Karasinski, zu Gast. Sie hat "Steps Toward Inner Peace" von Peace Pilgrim mitgebracht. Das ist ein kleines Büchlein, dass sie immer wieder zwischendurch in die Hand nimmt und einen Satz entdeckt, der genau für die Situation gemacht zu sein scheint. Wir sprechen darüber wie die eigene Haltung eine Situation oder das Gegenüber verändern kann, wie Minimalismus mit Interior Design zusammenhängt und wie wir unser Social Media Verhalten decluttered haben.

This episode provides guidance for spiritual seekers about how to deal with all the negative responses arising in the era of Trump. It teaches the necessity to recognize low spiritual vibration from negative emotions and how to shift to higher frequencies. It teaches about forgiveness and the need to forgive others and yourself. It highlights some pertinent concepts from the book We Consciousness by Karen Noe - especially the need to focus on what is right in the world instead of what is wrong. And it offers the Loving Kindness Meditation as a technique, as taught by the Dalai Lama, for responding with love to very difficult situations and people. Stay empowered, be loving persons, nurture our Oneness, and do what you can to end corruption, divisiveness, injustice, and inequality.Support the show (https://spiritualitybeckoning.com)

After dedicating herself to social service for five years, the woman who would later identify herself only as Peace Pilgrim had a spontaneous awakening while walking in the woods. Then she spent the next twenty-eight years walking across the country alone, sharing her commitment to inner and world peace. The post The Life and Teaching of Peace Pilgrim appeared first on Rochester Zen Center.

Tasshin is currently the Assistant Director at the Monastic Academy.  Saying those words to 23 year old Tasshin would have made him laugh and he would have wrote them off.  His journey and his transformation is truly fascinating.  He talks from a place of experience about the foundational elements of what it means to be a human and speaks about them from a place of wisdom.  He admits that by no means is he a perfect person and that he still has a lot to learn but I was blown away by the depth by which he understands life after only being at the Monastic Academy for 4 years. We chat about:  How he was introduced to meditation growing up as a unitarian universalist How going on a week long retreat made him decide to dedicate his life to these practices How he decided to dedicate his life to a meditation practice  Finding that Thai Buddhism wasn’t for him and how this led to the decision to join the Monastic Academy Difference in the Monastic Academy and a traditional monastery Tasshin’s desire to have more people learn from monastic teachings What Shinzen Young’s Unified Mindfulness is Peace Pilgrim and the 13 different characteristics cultivated through spiritual practice His experience with taking the bodhisattva vows How lessons are learned What a day in the life looks like at the Monastic Academy The idea of perception and behavior and how meditation helps with these areas Much more! Tasshin's website Tasshin's Twitter Monastic Academy Website https://www.peacepilgrim.org/  

We share some of our favorite stories about this extraordinarily inspiring woman who crossed America 7 times on foot without any money, accepting only what was offered during her pilgrimage for peace.

The parable of the rich fool tells of a man who keeps building bigger storage units for his goods. Is amassing wealth a stumbling block on the spiritual path? Sal Sapienza of Douglas UCC talks about prosperity and a woman known as Peace Pilgrim.

♡ SUPPORT THIS PODCAST ♡ In today's episode, learn what your Wise Mind is and how to access its intuitive anxiety-panic healing messages. Gina guides you through a quick meditation locating your wise mind which is perhaps not where you expected! Get Tara Brach's Book Radical Acceptance on Audible (free with a free trial month!) http://bit.ly/AudibleACP To learn more go to: http://www.theanxietycoachespodcast.com Join our Group Coaching Full or Mini Membership Program  Learn more about our One-on-One Coaching What is anxiety? Quote: If you realized how powerful your thoughts are, you would never think a negative thought. -Peace Pilgrim

♡ SUPPORT THIS PODCAST ♡ In today's episode, learn what your Wise Mind is and how to access its intuitive anxiety-panic healing messages. Gina guides you through a quick meditation locating your wise mind which is perhaps not where you expected! Get Tara Brach's Book Radical Acceptance on Audible (free with a free trial month!) http://bit.ly/AudibleACP To learn more go to: http://www.theanxietycoachespodcast.com Join our Group Coaching Full or Mini Membership Program  Learn more about our One-on-One Coaching What is anxiety? Quote: If you realized how powerful your thoughts are, you would never think a negative thought. -Peace Pilgrim

If you realized how powerful your thoughts are, you would never think a negative thought. - Peace Pilgrim Welcome to the Sensory Strides podcast. Observations of the world through activity, reading, listening, and everything else. Rain! Ugh, I was so happy this past week when I was able to get outside and train in warm weather! Then, the rains came in and it got colder again. Friday I was supposed to run 6 miles and Saturday bike 25 miles. I don’t necessarily mind running in the rain – or biking, although the bike doesn’t necessarily like it, but this was a fairly hard rain that didn’t want to let up. When I got home Friday night, there was a break in the rain. However, I didn’t get home until just before six. I tried to get my husband to “talk me out of going for my run and sitting on the couch with him”. He didn’t bite, so I said I was only going to do three miles and asked him if he could have supper ready for me when I got back. I headed out and got about a mile and a half in and realized I would have gotten into the run and completed the entire six miles, but since I had asked my hubby for supper I did my three miles and headed in. Next time I try to talk myself out of one of my workouts you can bet I’m going to remember that! Saturday morning was still a bit on the chilly side, but the rain stopped. I headed out right away in the morning knowing it was just a break and that the rains were going to return. Got my 25 miles in, but boy were my shoulders sore the rest of the week. I thought it was related to my shoulder injury from a few weeks ago, but on Sunday I realized it was just sore muscles and had my husband rub them out. Boy did I feel better after that! Thanks for joining me this week. Don't forget to stop and smell the roses. Find us on social media! Facebook fb.me/sensorystrides Twitter @sensorystrides We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.

Ayelet HaShachar, a contemporary women's Jewish music ensemble, features Lisa Aronson Friedman on keyboard and vocals, Shalomis Koffler Weinreb on guitar, percussion and vocals, and Stephanie Rabinowitz on vocals. Drawing on an extensive musical background, the trio blends original songs, unique vocal, and instrumental arrangements, and beautiful harmonies to create sounds of deepest feeling that inspire and uplift. Their music is a sensitive expression of eternal Jewish themes, resonating with meaning for our Times.   Ayelet HaShachar has had three major areas of focus: to be true to Jewish and Torah values, to hold their music to a high standard of professionalism, and to use their talents and time to do chesed, tzeddakah, etc. As such, They founded their  non-profit company: Singer-songwriter-guitarist-percussionist Shalomis Koffler Weinreb has performed professionally for 40 years, beginning with a tour of Europe and Iceland as lead female vocalist and keyboardist for a seven-member USO rock ‘n roll band, performing for standing-room-only crowds of up to 5,000. Upon returning to America, Shalomis played rock, blues and top-40 music in clubs throughout the East Coast and Midwest. Before becoming religious and joining Ayelet HaShachar, she produced two albums of original, spiritual music, I Become the Eagle and Messengers Of Light, she was named one of the 100 Best and Brightest Young People in Advertising by Advertising Age magazine. Shalomis' song, Peace Pilgrim, was used as the soundtrack for the internationally known documentary, Peace Pilgrim: An American Sage Who Walked Her Talk.   Pianist-singer-composer Lisa Aronson Friedman began her piano studies at the age of 5. She studied with her own father, with Harold Pries, and finally with his son, Roger Pries, who debuted with the National Symphony at age 17. Lisa also studied music theory at the American University preparatory department in Washington, DC. She was her high school choir accompanist, began some performance singing during those years and studied the guitar as well. She attended Oberlin College where she majored in mathematics instead of music, but did take music classes, sang in the Oberlin Chorus, and performed in coffee houses prior to become observant. Lisa had the role of Hodel in the Baltimore P'TACH performance of Anatevka (Fiddler on the Roof), and fit the music in when possible as she raised her children.Dina Blaustein, A”h introduced her to Stephanie. Together, they started a duo which eventually became Ayelet HaShachar. During the day, Lisa is a biostatistician at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.   Stephanie Rabinowitz, on vocals, graduated from New York University Tisch School of the Arts, and studied voice, theatre, and movement at New York's Circle-in-the-Square Studio. She worked in production at the Classic Stage Company repertory theatre in New York City and performed in Fiddler on the Roof at Baltimore's Spotlighter's Theatre. After becoming religious, Stephanie performed in women's musical theatre productions in Flatbush and Baltimore and directed the Jewish women's choir which performed annually to benefit the local day school. All of this until HaShem led her to the wonderful musicians of Ayelet HaShachar, and the rest is history. Ayelet HaShachar is available for live performances for Jewish women of all ages, educating and inspiring its audiences with themes and insights from sacred Jewish texts, providing the opportunity for its audiences to personally experience and connect to Jewish prayer.   Ayelet HaShachar has recorded two albums of original music, Ohr Chadash (2005) and Matai (2013), and are currently working on the third.   The debut concert on 9/9/2001, entitled “Prayer Through Music” was a major fundraiser for victims of terror in Israel. We have twice performed at Chol Hamo'ed Sukkot concerts at Brooklyn College as well as several concerts in the Philadelphia area. Ayelet HaShachar has traveled to Israel four times, performing in Yerushalayim in conjunction with the Israeli band Tofa'ah, in Ramat Beit Shemesh to raise money for Gush Katif kallot, in Telzstone, at the commencement program for Ahavas Yisrael in Yerushalayim, and at Heichal Shlomo in Yerushalayim to raise money for the victims of the Carmel fire. We have performed countless times in Baltimore, including two concerts at the Gordon Center for the Performing Arts to benefit the Jewish Caring Network, at a Women's Institute of Torah Day of Learning (where we gave a workshop on z'mirot), at a benefit concert with Baltimore's former band, Encore, to raise money for Gush Katif, in addition to multiple concerts for the Etz Chaim Center. Check the band out: www.ayeletmusic.org   

In this episode, we cover the final four steps in order to achieve in your piece according to peace pilgrim. For relinquishment‘s! Be sure to tune in to prior episodes for others. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/ochotheowlradio/support

In this episode, we cover the first four preparations that are needed to achieve inner peace ✌

In this episode we cover the next in the series of steps to inner peace. Peace pilgrim covers before necessary things in order to purify and with yourself of the unnecessary to achieve inner peace ✌

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For this Headphone Commute mix I decided to focus mostly on the ambient for the first time. It’s filled with mainly new discoveries and a few old tracks that have never quite left my ears. The theme is peace. I have recently been fascinated by books and documentaries about a woman named Mildred Lisette Norman, from her 40’s she became a spiritual teacher, mystic, pacifist and activist. She renamed herself ‘Peace Pilgrim’ and proceeded to walk non-stop for the next 28 years, somewhat idealistically but admirably she vowed to 'remain a wanderer until mankind has learned the way of peace.' Her words can be heard at various points in the mix. For a more detailed description, full track listing and more information about this mix, please visit headphonecommute.com

Today, I talk to regular podcast contributor Jenny Bloom, who is an ISHTA Yoga teacher and a strategic brand consultant. We discuss finding peaceful relationship with your self, with others, and with the world; and we talk about Peace Pilgrim, an activist who walked across America between 1951 and 1981 spreading a message of personal and world peace. Please rate this podcast, to help spread the word. On your iPhone, you can scroll down to ratings from the main Show page (the one with all the episodes). The simple instructions are also here on my website. Help fund this work by subscribing at Patreon. You can contribute at any level you like and get cool rewards, too. Plus you help this information get into your own two ears. Peter has a lot going on at ISHTA Yoga these days, including classes and trainings. Come visit!

How Kate Fisher found herself at the brink of death, having to choose between this world and the next. Plus one of the best foods to feel grounded: for keeping a level head and making good decisions(!) Hi everybody, I'm Barbara Fernandez, the Rocking Raw Chef, here with my Clean Food, Dirty Stories: one to entertain, the other to inspire.I help people stamp out stress, depression and fatigue over at RockingRawChef.com, and today's title is:This world...Or AnotherIn addition to this story, at the end of this episode I'll share with you one of the best foods to feel grounded – in other words, to help us stay clear-headed and even make better decisions in our lives.OK enough hints from me, I'm sure you have no idea what that food is...or maybe you do, so let's get on with the story.Our guest, Kate FisherI am super excited to be joined here today for our story by Kate Fisher. Kate is a shamanic practitioner who specialises in helping others to connect with the power that is already within them. She is also an artist, and she works with drums, paint and clay to create shamanic tools, paintings and ceramics. And she works with people not only face to face, but also at a distance which I think is very cool. She has a pretty incredible story to share which I think you're going to love!So Kate, welcome to the Clean Food, Dirty Stories podcast!Kate: Thanks Barbara.Me: Yeah, it's great to have you. I'm looking forward to sharing your story.Kate's storySo you work in Norfolk, you live in Kent, but do you have a lot of trees surrounding you now? Because I know that you spent a lot of your childhood in trees, is that what you told me? Is that where your story begins?Kate: Yeah, it kind of is, I was much more into sitting in trees and hanging out there and not really with the other kids. It just felt calming and I later found out that what was actually happening was that I was speaking with the tree deities and the tree spirits themselves. Me: So like when most kids had imaginary friends, like little playmates and stuff, then you just had your playmates that were like in the trees and nature spirits and everything.That's really cool, when I was little actually, I didn't play with the other kids either. I was with them but I was a tiger roaring and crawling on the floor. So there were no nature spirits for me, just a bunch of crawling around.On to herbalismAt one point you studied herbalism, is that right? How did you come to study that?Kate: Well, I began studying it. After doing my art degree, I actually got a job in Neal's Yard Remedies in Norwich. And so that just kind of brought me back to plants and their uses. The medicinal uses were the sort of thing I was drawn to. I was going to move to Australia to do the whole course of naturopathy. There was something still missing from that for me. So from that I actually found magical herbalism.Me: Okay.Kate: Yeah, so that's kind of like hedge witchcraft. It's understanding that everything has an energy and you can use that energy to help heal and help rebalance.Me: I know about wild plants, you know, and collecting wild plants and just eating them because they taste really good, and I know that nettles for example are really good for arthritis, just little things that you kind of pick up. But that's kind of all I know. So is it like making teas for people and poultices and things like that out of plants and stuff?Kate: No, no, it's purely energetic, so it's basically like spellcasting.Me: OK.Magic herbalism, then on to the PhilippinesKate: So you would use certain herbs and plants that have certain attributes and they often correspond with the medicinal uses as well. And you'd kind of enchant them and then you'd make them into little sachets to hand to people and once they'd got their use from it, they would bury it. It was always just for an energetic purpose.Me: Oh OK.Kate: It's like the old wives' tale of putting certain things above the door so things can't come in.Me: I get it. OK. So you were doing herbalism but then I think you stopped, is that right, and you moved to the Philippines? Is that right?Kate: Yeah, that's right. So magical herbalism still wasn't doing it for me and I still felt there was something more. And I came across a book and it was called Chance Spirit Shamanism, and this just sent me off! I knew that I had to do something with this because it would take me deeper into that plant realm. The way I actually got to the Philippines was through my ceramics, with a job as a teacher over there.Manila and the Saturn returnMe: How did you get that job? That's really cool.Kate: A Filipino lady, her family ran the college there and she approached me and asked if I would teach there.Me: Wow!Kate: Unfortunately it was in Manila and for me that was just too busy. It's a really built city with really rich and really poor areas. I found this place called Bahay Kalipay which means the House of Happiness. So I went there, I volunteered and from there I taught this process called The Inner Dance, and this was precisely when my Saturn return hit. I had just turned 28 and I decided to drop everything, I sold everything that I owned in England basically, and I decided to move to the Philippines.Kate's Saturn ReturnMe: Wow. So can you just...sorry, can you explain to people, some people that may not know, what is a Saturn return and why does it just – cause I've experienced one too – what is a Saturn return and why does it turn your life upside down?Kate: Yeah, well, OK. The Saturn return is...Saturn's in a certain place in the night sky and what happens is when that then comes around which obviously it takes 28 to 30 years to come round in your astrological chart, that changes everything. You're then kind of pushed or encouraged onto a path that you should have been taking that you may have been diverted from. Some people's is really turbulent, other people it can be quite free flowing depending on what their life path life has taken. And then this happens again normally in women's time, it's normally around the menopause.Me: Well it would be like 28 years later, right?Kate: Exactly, yeah, it's on that time scale. So it really can turn your life upside down because Saturn's known as the teacher. If you haven't learned your lessons, you're gonna learn them!Why the PhilippinesMe: Yup! I've experienced that so I know exactly what you mean. Yeah, so it can be quite big life changes and stuff, right? What made you decide to move to the Philippines?Kate: Well, in all honesty a man.Me: (laughs) As so often happens...Kate: And he worked at the retreat center that I went to. Yeah, I kind of knew that it wasn't gonna work out but I'm always this kind of romantic person, I'm just gonna follow my heart...I loved it there anyway because it was just so beautiful and I felt so held there, just on the land.Me: Yeah. So you moved to the Philippines, so if you moved because of him, did you stay with him and then, like, what happened?Releasing inner blocksKate: Well, I think I moved in with him to begin with, him and his family. And then I went back to work at the retreat center for meditation and the inner dance which is kind of meditative. It allows the flow of energy and any blockages to come out, it can be quite cathartic and transformative in itself. So I went back there and lived there, and I did that for 8 months. I was looking for land to buy as well.Me: So you were gonna buy land in the Philippines? That's very cool. You said at one point that you had a kind of like dark night of the soul, was that related to the guy? Or...Kate: It was all, you know, a whole lump of stuff rolled in together (laughs). That's what happens, isn't it?Me: All at the same time, of course, yeah.Crying in paradiseKate: All at the same time. So yeah, for me, I was in paradise but I was crying my eyes out every day.Me: Oh!Kate: Yeah, and it was just this kind of ultimate depression, but this was something different, it was a transformative kind of time. And I ended up not really seeing the point in life, so I went from, you know, being on a real high and feeling the connection between all things and all of this and then just fell apart and thought, “Well, if everything is nothing and nothing is everything, then what's the point?”Me: Oh, yeah, I've felt like that before so I can relate, yeah. Wow.From the Philippines to PeruMe: And so from there, how did you...you said that you then went to Peru, right? So how did you go from the Philippines to Peru? Did you just one day up and decide to leave, or was there a specific incident where you thought 'OK I've had enough, I'm going to leave now'? Or...Kate: Well I, I'd gone to America to visit my friends over there and then while I was there I phoned this person...Me: Somebody in Peru?Kate: No, sorry, I phoned my boyfriend at the time. Yeah, and he ended up going “Oh I've decided I'm going to be a Peace Pilgrim”.Me: A Peace Pilgrim? What's that?Kate: So it's someone who walks around without anything, but just goes spreading peace and basically relies on anyone around them to support them. He said “This is my highest excitement”. So I was like, “OK, fine”. Obviously I was a bit heartbroken because I'd just travelled the other side of the world, but it made me suddenly realize that I wasn't following my highest excitement. So I thought “OK, what's happening right now? Where's the mother of all plant learnings?” And it's happening in Peru, with Ayahuasca, with Huachuma... Ayahuasca and HuachumaMe: What's huachuma? I mean, I know Ayahuasca and in fact I spoke about that in a previous episode, but what's huachuma?Kate: Huachuma is also known as San Pedro. San Pedro was the Catholic name they gave when they kind of came over to the South Americas. Huachuma is the original name for it. It's a cactus that is mescalin-based, so it's similar to the peyote which is a mescalin-based medicine.Me: Oh OK. So it's a similar kind of experience with...like a journey like you would do as if you were taking Ayahuasca but you're taking Huachuma?Kate: It's similar, yeah. Huachuma's much more about the earth and less cosmic. Ayahuasca is out there, attaching to everything that is. Huachuma's about the heart, about connecting back to the earth.Me: Wow. OK, so you did both of those when you were there?Kate: Yeah, that's right, so I spent 6 months being an apprentice to both of those plants.Me: Oh wow! So now are you able to perform Ayahuasca and Huachuma ceremonies for other people?Kate: I believe I can hold ceremony for Huachuma for other people. With Ayahuasca I decided that I'm just always going to be her apprentice (laughs). I just don't see how people hold space for that, it's such a powerful thing.Temazcals (sweat lodges)Me: OK. So you did those, and you also mentioned temazcals, you know, the sweat lodges, what were those like?Kate: It's really magical.So for somebody who doesn't, who doesn't know about a temazcal, can you say a little bit about like what it is? Because I've done one, but not everybody knows about it, right? Could you say a little bit about like what it is and what happens and why you might want to do a sweat lodge?Kate: OK. It's a really sacred ceremony and our ancestors have always used it to cleanse, to rebirth. To go into those sweat lodges is like going back into the mother's womb. You go in there with thanks, knowing what you want to get rid of or what you want to transition into. And you bless the rocks which are put into a sacred fire.Me: Sacred fire?Kate: Yes. They then heat those for several hours and then you will go into the lodge. You normally go through about four, yeah, four rounds. They'll bring in a certain number of rocks, and then water is poured onto the rocks once the door is closed.Me: And it gets really, really hot, I remember.Kate: It does. But it builds, it's not like going into a sauna. Your body gradually kind of gets used to it until it gets so hot that you're just like “Oh no I can't do this!” But quite often, we always say that the heat is your friend. Because that heat is sometimes not physical heat, it's sometimes you know, coming up against maybe a blockage of the energy of the thing that you're trying to shift, so if you can, stay in.The eyebrow of the Peruvian jungleMe: And so how did you...how did you go from doing the sweat lodges and the Ayahuasca and Huachuma ceremonies to the jungle? Cause you said that you were...I know that you mentioned to me that you were in the jungle with some friends and you had a pretty scary experience there. Can you say a little bit about like how you came to be there, and what happened?Kate: Yeah, definitely.I was a, I suppose an assistant to the woman that owned the retreat center. And we'd become really good friends because we obviously worked really closely together. We were offered a piece of land possibly in a part of the jungle called Manu which is known as the eyebrow of the jungle of Peru. So we went to visit, and our friend who also went with us, he was also an Andean priest. He went and hired a boat and took us to this special island which had quite rare breeds of certain animals, mammals and things. So he takes us over there and we're just so excited to see a different part and see rare species. Onto the land, you know you just start walking around and admiring things and I think it was about a third of the way around this island and all of a sudden something hit me.When the jungle gets angryKate: It felt like I'd suddenly started menstruating but it wasn't that time, it felt like all of my guts were just turning around. I just suddenly went white. Me: Wow!Kate: Literally it just felt like, I don't know, I could have eaten something that didn't agree with me, all that kind of stuff. So my friend tried to do an echo cleansing on me. Now all that did - this is the dirty part of the story – was give me diarrhea. It was awful. My body was emptying, everything was too heavy. I was getting rid of everything. It was really quite scary as it progressed.And then this feeling came over me that the jungle was angry. There was always this element of kind of doubt, skepticism I guess.Getting lost in another worldBut I was about to get lost in another world. The jungle felt like it was pulling me. The world that I knew, that part of the jungle that I was seeing with my physical eyes was disappearing. Me: Wow! That's scary!Kate: Terrifying. And interesting at the same time.Me: Yeah, kind of like 'this is really scary but this is really cool!'Kate: I mean I got really scared up until the point where I thought, 'OK, maybe I'm going to leave this other world that I know and I'm gonna be taken to another world'. And when I reached that level of acceptance, you know, that strange place of like 'OK this is just happening', I told my friends to go on without me. I said, “This is where I stop”. And it was like, it was, I don't know, it was like I was disappearing.Me: Wow.Kate: Yeah, I...after feeling scared it was suddenly this peace that took over. But then my friends became scared because they realized how real this had become. You know, they couldn't just leave me in the jungle.Me: Yeah.Kate: And the Andean priest, he was suddenly panicking around me. He was saying in Spanish, in Quechua, panicking about “Oh I haven't done it, I haven't done it, I haven't done it!” He was going on about the ritual or the ceremony that we were supposed to do when we arrived at this land.A hurried ceremonyKate: And so all of a sudden he's scrambling in his pockets to get things out and I was just flopped on the ground at this point and I had no idea what was going on around me other than his scrambling. He got out the cocoa leaves and he made like a little fan of these and he started doing ceremony. And he was doing all these different things around me but I didn't have any awareness to be able to learn or witness or anything, it was like I was being absorbed into the jungle floor.The next thing I know he's yanking me up off the ground saying “Stamp on the floor! Stamp on the floor!” Like this. And I was just like “I can't do it, I can't even lift my leg,” like I had nothing left, no physical ability whatsoever. But he was so persistent I just went and I just, I just kind of just flopped my foot on this space and I later found out that he'd buried the cocoa leaves there.And as I touched my foot down, something happened and I felt a little bit stronger. So then he went, “Again!” I stamped again a little bit harder with the strength that I'd found. And he said, “Again!” I stamped my foot even harder, and every time we did this, my energy started coming back and my color started coming back and I felt myself being drawn in, like my energy bodies being drawn back into this physical body. Until we'd done it enough that they felt comfortable with us making our way away from there.Me: Wow. Yeah, and then you just left at that point? Were you supposed to stay longer?Kate: I had to lay there while they went off in the boat for a while so I had to lay in the jungle for a bit and stop. Just to kind of recoup and make sure that I'd gathered all the parts of me back together I think. Me: Yeah, of course, yeah.Fear as teacherKate: And I gave my thanks and you know, and I said, “Sorry for not knowing better”. I should have known better, that's what I was there to learn, you know. How to respect these places.Me: Yeah, but you were there to learn. I would have thought the Andean priest would have... I mean, I would have been blaming him! (laughs) Right? Wasn't he kind of there to, you know, to guide you and look after you? I mean I would have been like, “Dude you forgot something! Look what happened to me!” No?Kate: Well, I suppose, but I didn't see things that way at that time. I kind of overtook responsibility if that makes sense. But I gave my thanks to the jungle at that point because that's when my skepticism left and I really started to trust that Spirit is there to guide. And it really showed me its strength, and the only way it could do that was through fear.Me: Wow.Kate: Yeah, I was really, really grateful to have learned that lesson because without that I wouldn't be able to practice, you know, the techniques that I do today.Me: I bet the Andean priest learned a lot too, right? I bet he never did that again! (laughs) Right?Kate: (laughs) I don't think so!Me: Almost killed a tourist, can you imagine? Oh my goodness. Wow!What Kate does todaySo then you said that that experience helped you do the techniques that you do today, so how? Like, how come? What was it about that particular experience and what did you take from there I guess is what I want to ask, that you now use? Yeah, that you use now?Kate: Well it's just the level of trust.Me: Ah, OK. That makes sense.Kate: When I'm doing the healings or ceremony or anything, I endeavour obviously – I mean sometimes ego gets in the way and makes you feel small. But that's quite rare these days. I just allow Spirit and the ancestors to guide me.Me: Yup. Yeah, because you have that trust now thanks to your experience in the jungle. I get it, yeah. Wow!So then, yeah, what do you do now to help other people? Because I know you do lots of different things, do you want to say a little bit about that?Kate: Yeah, well the main thing that I endeavour to do, like anyone that I come across I try and support and empower. Even if it's the smallest thing. And give people that different perspective on themselves. I think we're so made to feel belittled and that we think that, you know, to think good of ourselves is to be arrogant. But actually we need to come to a space where we can be comfortable and love ourselves without that. Me: Yeah.Kate: It's really hard to explain! I lead retreats and...Finding the Wild WomanMe: So what kinds of things do you do at the retreats? For example, do you take people on shamanic journeys as a group? Kate: So for the retreats, what I focus on at the moment is women. And I do this alongside a lovely lady called Amy who runs SoulShine social enterprise and we, well we call it Finding the Wild Woman. And it's all about rewilding, so finding that part of you that's been repressed through, you know, all the things that we should and shouldn't do and expressing your authentic self.Me: Oh I like the sound of that, yup!Kate: So we do all sorts of things.Me: Wow, that sounds quite fun.Kate: Yeah, we use all the different elements as well. So you know, we run through kind of water, earth, fire, air, spirit...so people can connect back with those. The very base elements of this world.Me: Wow, that's very cool.Individual help, even at a distanceMe: So you do those at the retreats, and then I think you said for individual people you help them find balance and things? Like what do you do for individuals? Because I know you also said you do some things at a distance as well. Kate: Yeah, so whether it's distance or whether people are there, I'll connect with them and I'll allow Spirit and ancestors again to work through me. I use my drum, rattle, feathers, anything. I always ask if the person's comfortable with it. Yeah, and then I use the vibe to kind of realign, as everything's made of vibration. The intention is to realign those things, on any level that person wants to work.Me: OK. So do people normally come to you...yeah I would imagine people would come to you with a really specific problem, right? Can it be any kind of problem? Like, I don't know, like everything from physical problems like physical ailments to maybe emotional problems or mental problems? Kate: Yeah, definitely.Me: So a bit of everything. Super! OKKate: The most common tends to be physical or emotional, but actually you find out that they're all interlinked so you just follow that path until...Me: Yeah, I know what you mean. Training for the Celtic sweat lodgeMe: So do you run sweat lodges? Do you use that tool in your work at all?Kate: I'm not running them yet, I'm gonna do another 2 years learning the Celtic lodge.Me: So how long does it take then to train to learn the Celtic sweat lodges?Kate: Well, I'm taking three years to do it.Me: Three years, OK. Is that your choice to do it over a longer period?Kate: Yeah, I know that you can learn the practicalities in a couple of weekends, but to have the experience of actually supporting people through that process...Me: Oh yeah, that's the biggest bit, yeah.Kate: It's a very different ballgame.My own experience in a sweat lodgeMe: Yeah, of course, cause I know, I mean I know for me that when I did a sweat lodge, yeah it was years ago now. And at the time I was...I was a total mess!And so when it got really, really hot, I could feel that kind of...how can I describe it? It was kind of like as if there was a well at the bottom of my being that was filled with all these like dark stuff. You know, fears and things like that that never got to come up to the surface, you know? That never got acknowledged.Just like really primal stuff, you know, almost as if you could tap into your most primal fears because there was no cultural barrier. There was no mental barrier, you know.You were just so hot that your mind...I mean for me my mind almost just left my body really because it was just so hot. And I thought that was...that was quite an amazing experience.I mean for me I was like wow! It was scary but it was also really cool and I can imagine that for some people... I mean, I like to think that I'm a pretty strong cookie but I imagine it would be scary for people to come to grips with what they find and to have to kind of, yeah, deal with that. I mean if they uncover something they didn't know about themselves before, maybe something that's super scary, then yeah I would imagine you have to have the tools to deal with that, right?Kate: That's right, yeah. You've got to be able to support people after they've kind of gone through the sweat lodge process. Like you say, sometimes people are left with things that they need to kind of then kind of speak through or go into a bit more.Me: Wow, yeah. But I'd definitely say better out than in, right? All that stuff.Where to find KateKate thank you so much for coming on to share your story. There's a friend of mine that also mentioned that when you hold any kind of retreat or workshop or any kind of event in nature, she said just ask the spirits there for permission so you're on their terrain as it were. So that's a really good example of what can happen if you don't, right? I'll have to tell her about it. Well, I'll have to get her to listen to the episode.But thank you so much for sharing that, I really appreciate it and I'll link to everything that you do below, but do you just want to say where... Where can people find you? What's the easiest way to find you?Kate: Yeah, it's easiest to find me on Facebook at the moment because I'm still working on my website but that's at kfheartwisdom.Me: Super! OK. I'll put the link to your site as well. Is it katefisher.co.uk? Is that right?Kate: Yeah.Me: Thank you so much, I really appreciate it, and I think I'm going to dive into our food tip.Foods to feel groundedAnd it's really funny that there was all this stuff about stamping on the ground and everything because...I mentioned at the beginning of this episode that I would share one of the best foods to feel grounded. And first I do want to kind of emphasize what I mean when we say grounded.When we feel grounded, we feel more connected to the earth. Now this might sound airy-fairy, but it's actually really important. So you can think of feeling grounded as the opposite of scatterbrained. In other words, instead of feeling confused, all over the place, not knowing what to do, when you're grounded you actually have a clarity of purpose. It enables you to not only get things done but to know what those things actually are that you need to do for your own happiness.And believe me, this is really, really important. I speak from very personal experience. The other way that you can think of being grounded is eating foods to feel grounded. It's kind of like getting the benefits of comfort food without gaining weight, if that makes sense. You do get that, yeah, that sense of comfort from these particular foods, but you're eating good food, you know? Rather than junk.And for those of you who want to do some of your own shamanic journeys as Kate did, this particular food that I'm going to talk about can help you stay connected to this world too.So although there are many foods to feel grounded, the ones that I want to mention here, or the one specific one is...squash!Benefits of squashAnd when I say squash, this actually covers a variety of vegetables: so you've got spaghetti squash, summer squash, zucchini, marrow and pumpkin. Those are all types of squash. Gourds as well, those are squash.Squash is one of the oldest foods around – it's been cultivated for at least 10,000 years, and it may look kind of ordinary, but it has a lot of health benefits.Now you may not know this, but squash is listed as anti-fungal, antibacterial and anti-inflammatory! It contains vitamin A, several B vitamins, folates, magnesium, potassium, iron, copper, zinc, manganese, calcium, and beta carotene among other antioxidants.So it's insanely good for a whole host of things, including managing our blood sugar, keeping our lungs healthy, helping keep our eyes sharp and strong, having strong bones, and reducing the risks of many diseases including lung cancer, emphysema and glaucoma, and that's just to name a few.Squash has many other benefits and I'll link to an article in the show notes if you'd like to read more about it.Now however before you decide to start eating bushels of squash, I do have to warn you about one thing. Squash is very good at lowering blood pressure, and if you have low blood pressure already, squash could lower it even further. So if that's you, best to eat other veggies instead. Fortunately there are lots of other alternatives that I do mention in other podcast episodes!How you eat squashNow as to how you eat squash, well there are so many ways to eat it! Most people puree it and make pancakes, or they slice it and fry it. My favorite way to eat it – and if you know me you'll know what that is – it's to spiralize it! I'll link to an article in the show notes where I show you how to do just that. You can make great pasta using squash, and you don't even have to boil it. Plus it's naturally gluten-free, so everyone can eat it!I've also got some delicious recipes that use squash in my 5-Minute Mains recipe ebook that I'll link to as well.So I hope you've enjoyed our story this week!Have YOU got a story to share?And if you've got a crazy, true story to share (and you'd like to know what food could have saved the day or enhanced your particular situation), I'd love to hear from you! Email me at barbara@rockingrawchef.comIf you enjoy my stories and want to hear more, join us and subscribe! I share one amazing, true story a week. And if you've got any questions, just pop them in the comments! And if you're listening on iTunes, do give me a review, that would be awesome.I hope you have an amazing day, thank you so much for being here with me to share in my Clean Food, Dirty Stories. Bye for now!RESOURCESHow to spiralize veggies: http://rockingrawchef.com/what-is-a-spiralizer-and-what-can-it-do-for-me/5-Minute Mains and other recipe ebooks: https://rockingrawchef.com/5-minute-recipes/Foods to feel grounded: https://www.sarahpetrunoshamanism.com/blog/12-foods-for-feeling-grounded/Benefits of squash: https://www.organicfacts.net/health-benefits/fruit/squash.htmlKate's bioKate has studied many esoteric and spiritual practices to a basic level from an early age (13). When her Saturn return began (age 28), Kate moved abroad to study different healing techniques with healers and shaman of Philippines and Peru. She learnt that to know and embrace all parts of yourself is where true healing happens. With a holistic attitude to life and endeavouring to approach life from the heart, Kate believes that all aspects of the self - mind, body and spirit - play a part in the health of the person. Finding balance in all these aspects, we can live to our full potential.Kate's website: http://katefisher.co.ukKate on Facebook, YouTube​

Learn what your Wise Mind is and how to access its intuitive anxiety-panic healing messages. Gina guides you through a quick meditation locating your wise mind which is perhaps not where you expected :) Links/resources mentioned in the episode:        Grab an awesome audio book for free like Peace is Every Step by Thich Nhat Hanh   www.anxietycoachespodcast.com/audibletrial Group Coaching Membership: www.anxietycoachespodcast.com/group-coaching For more information on 1:1 Anxiety Coaching and/or to schedule your call with a coach email us here: anxietycoachespodcast@gmail.com Stop by the website to learn more about anxiety and to send us an audio recording of your Q to be played and answered on the show! Quote: If you realized how powerful your thoughts are, you would never think a negative thought. ~Peace Pilgrim

Learn what your Wise Mind is and how to access its intuitive anxiety-panic healing messages. Gina guides you through a quick meditation locating your wise mind which is perhaps not where you expected :) Links/resources mentioned in the episode:               Grab an awesome audio book for free like Peace is Every Step by Thich Nhat Hanh   www.anxietycoachespodcast.com/audibletrial Group Coaching Membership: www.anxietycoachespodcast.com/group-coaching For more information on 1:1 Anxiety Coaching and/or to schedule your FREE Discovery call with a coach email us here: anxietycoachespodcast@gmail.com Stop by the website to learn more about anxiety and to send us an audio recording of your Q to be played and answered on the show! Quote: If you realized how powerful your thoughts are, you would never think a negative thought. ~Peace Pilgrim

Peace Pilgrim was an American sage who “Walked her talk” from 1953 to 1981. Swami Mahayogananda discusses her wonderful life and strikingly Vedantic teachings in this lecture.

The program features conversations about restorative justice programs, peace journalism, activism to prevent gun violence, a winning domestic violence prevention project, and the peacemaking roots of Mothers' Day. Also excerpts of our programs about Nelson Mandela, Peace Pilgrim and Sister Peggy O'Neill. And we'll recap our countdown of the Top Ten Peace Songs of all time. Paul Ingles hosts.

The program features conversations about restorative justice programs, peace journalism, activism to prevent gun violence, a winning domestic violence prevention project, and the peacemaking roots of Mothers' Day. Also excerpts of our programs about Nelson Mandela, Peace Pilgrim and Sister Peggy O'Neill. And we'll recap our countdown of the Top Ten Peace Songs of all time. Paul Ingles hosts.

Two women, two elders, who deep into the later years of life, made peace their goal – one, Catholic Sister Peggy O’Neill landed in war-ravaged El Salvador in the 1980’s and has been there ever since. The other, a woman who in 1981 had a 28 year personal campaign for peace come to an abrupt end when she had just turned 73. In 1953, Mildred Norman changed her name to Peace Pilgrim and started walking for peace. She kept doing it until the day she died.

Two women, two elders, who deep into the later years of life, made peace their goal – one, Catholic Sister Peggy O'Neill landed in war-ravaged El Salvador in the 1980's and has been there ever since. The other, a woman who in 1981 had a 28 year personal campaign for peace come to an abrupt end when she had just turned 73. In 1953, Mildred Norman changed her name to Peace Pilgrim and started walking for peace. She kept doing it until the day she died.

Through the telling of the life stories of Nelson Mandela, Buddha, Jesus, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, The Dalai Lama, and Peace Pilgrim, Rev. Catherine McLeod shows how the life moments of these leaders serve to inspire us about how life works and what we are really able to do. Accepting fully their messages of peace and love, we believe that the Universe is safe, loving, friendly, abundant, and benevolent. We trust the power of good in the Universe.

Episode 73 is an interview, with Maria Scrivan, of Stamford, Connecticut and Lara Hedin, Founder of Yoga Peeps. In this episode, Maria, author of Dogi the Yogi, and Lara talk about avoiding injuries, yoga as a full body massage, relaxing into your breath, let go to go deeper, staying with it, savasana just as important as the asana, meditation on a run, ride or swimming, brain drain through writing, Ahimsa, Svadhyaya ( the study of scriptures & self),The Peace Pilgrim, opening your mind, setting an intention and believing it will come true. To listen click: YogaPeeps_111509_MariaScrivan Subscribe with iTunes ShowNotes About Maria