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Put the kettle on and join us as we get grounded with Rebecca Prephan, owner of "Satara, House of Mystical Wellness". We get to the root of the holistic practices, daily rituals and routines that Rebecca incorporates and encourages to create a sense of well-being and to promote healing. She shares the details of her robust apothecary and of course we chat about the magical Goddess Tea that she custom blends. Grab a cosmic cuppa and get cozy. Om.  https://www.satarawellness.com/  

This is the Catchup on 3 Things by The Indian Express and I'm Ichha Sharma.Today is the 26th of February and here are the headlines.The central government opposed petitions seeking a lifetime ban on convicted politicians from contesting elections, arguing in the Supreme Court that a six-year disqualification is not unconstitutional. In its affidavit, the Centre stated that various penal laws impose penalties for a limited time to ensure deterrence while avoiding excessive harshness. The submission was in response to Advocate Ashwini Kumar Upadhyay's plea challenging the constitutional validity of Sections 8 and 9 of the Representation of the People Act, 1951. Section 8 mandates a six-year disqualification post-release for those convicted of specified offences.In other news, with 12 state presidents appointed, the BJP seems to be on course to choose its new national chief, albeit with a delay. The BJP leaders The Indian Express spoke to across states attributed the delay largely to the recently concluded Delhi polls. A BJP leader from Madhya Pradesh said the party focused all its energies on Delhi. Meanwhile, another leader said, quote “One leader who has managed up to six-seven Assembly seats in our state and in Uttar Pradesh, was given the charge of only one Assembly seat in Delhi. In another constituency, two MPs managed it. The focus of the party on Delhi was unprecedented and that has led to a delay in the organisational elections,” unquote.Meanwhile, in another headline making news, a communal clash broke out over the installation of speakers in Dumraon village in Jharkhand's Hazaribagh district this morning. The clash occurred during Shivratri celebrations. According to Ichak Block Development Officer (BDO) Santosh Kumar, a disagreement over installing loudspeakers by the road escalated into stone-pelting and arson. Authorities said there were no injuries or deaths. Hazaribagh Additional Superintendent of Police Amit Kumar told The Indian Express, that an FIR has been registered,adding that three motorcycles and a car were set ablaze.In news from Maharahstra, a man allegedly raped a 26-year-old woman inside a MSRTC bus on the premises of a bus stand in Pune in the early hours of Tuesday. The police identified the accused as a history-sheeter and launched an extensive search for him.The police said the crime occurred around 5.30 am when the woman was at the bus stand to board a bus for her hometown in the Satara district of Maharashtra. The accused, loitering on the premises of the bus stand, allegedly approached her and misled her to another bus, saying that it was the one for her destination. The woman believed the accused and boarded the bus, said the police. The accused allegedly followed her and raped her inside the bus before fleeing from the scene.On the global front, President Donald Trump announced a new immigration initiative aimed at wealthy foreign investors, a “gold card” that offers a path to US citizenship for a fee of $5 million. Replacing the current EB-5 visa program, this scheme will grant investors the privileges of a green card, allowing them to become permanent US residents through financial investment. The existing EB-5 visa program, established in 1990, allows foreign investors to gain US residency if they create or preserve jobs through capital investments. Minimum investments are set at $1.5 million, or $800 thosand for economically distressed areas. The program has drawn criticism over concerns of abuse and fraud, with businesses, including those linked to Trump family members, using it to fund property developments.This was the Catch Up on 3 Things by The Indian Express

In our first episode back for 2025 I am really excited to bring you our live podcast event that we held at the end of 2024. I was joined in the Brisbane Satara showroom by Eliza Smoothey from Eliza Grace Interiors, Tara Dehbozorgi and Laure Bebbington from Residence Studio and Sara Cornish from Yuzu Interiors - who kindly stepped in for Donna Guyler. It was a fantastic evening filled with lots of great discussions about how to run our interior design studios well. I hope you enjoy the episodeBeth xxWant me to look over your Systems and Processes? Book in a health check today Sign up hereWant to know the steps to take from enquiry to signed contractTake our course here

This week's episode is the recording of our live event at the Sydney Satara showroom from September. I am joined by Lynne Bradley, Sally Rhys-Jones and Gemma Gillett. We talk about the business of running an interior design studio. I hope you enjoy the episode. Beth xx P.S. Brisbane your turn is next - look out for the announcement of our panel members for our live recording event happening on Thursday 28th November in the Brisbane Satara showroom.  Have the experience of a general manager look over your systems and processes. Book in a health check today. Book your health check today. 

Join us on Thursday 19th September at the Satara showroom in Sydney. Get your FREE ticket hereThe event will be a live panel with myself, Lynne Bradley, Gemma Gillett and Sally Rhys-Jones Systems and Processes Health Check Want to have a general manager look at your business to see how it could be working better for you. Book in your health check today. 

Join us on Thursday 19th September at the Satara showroom in Sydney. Get your FREE ticket hereThe event will be a live panel with myself, Lynne Bradley, Gemma Gillett and Sally Rhys-Jones Systems and Processes Health Check Want to have a general manager look at your business to see how it could be working better for you. Book in your health check today. 

I would love if you could join us at our first live recording of The Design Dialogues Podcast at the beautiful Satara showroom in Sydney. The panel of Lynne Bradley, Sally Rhys-Jones and Gemma Gillett will discuss how they have built their businesses and some of the challenges they have faced along the way. Get your FREE ticket here Do you need some help with a key area of your systems and procesess? Book in for a Health Check and work with me for 8 weeks.Find out more here 

I would love if you could join us at our first live recording of The Design Dialogues Podcast at the beautiful Satara showroom in Sydney. It will be a fun evening filled with lots of inspiration amongst the interior design community. The panel of Lynne Bradley, Sally Rhys-Jones and Gemma Gillett will discuss how they have built their businesses and some of the challenges they have faced along the way. Get your FREE ticket herehttps://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/interior-design-panel-evening-tickets-994797755867?aff=oddtdtcreator 

Zdaj je čas paprike in paradižnika, zato je dobro pripraviti sataraš. Čebulo narežemo in jo pražimo na maščobi. Ko začne rumeneti, dodamo narezano papriko – rumeno in rdečo. To dobro prepražimo in dodamo narezan olupljen paradižnik. Olupimo ga tako, da ga potopimo vročo vodo. Počakamo, da tekočina povre in jed še solimo. Lahko dodamo še jajce. To je odlična priloga k pire krompirju, testeninam ... Po okusu solimo in popramo, lahko dodamo tudi narezan peteršilj ali drobnjak. Sataraš lahko tudi naložimo v kozarce in shranimo za ozimnico.

In this episode of Run with Fitpage, we have the pleasure of interviewing one of our trainees - Kishor Shelake, who is currently based in Dublin, Ireland. Kishor and Vikas discuss Kishor's journey to completing the Dublin Marathon with some great timing, in the final episode of the year 2023!Kishor Shelake, a resilient runner hailing from Satara, has transformed his running journey under the guidance of Fitpage. Despite completing only 80% of the training, he conquered the Dublin Marathon comfortably within the targeted time. Kishor's running adventure began in 2016 with the Satara Hill Half Marathon (SHHM), where initial struggles fueled his determination. After facing challenges and learning from failures, he completed the Berlin Marathon in an impressive 3:25, significantly improving from his previous time of 3:56. Motivated by the desire to surprise his wife and fueled by frustration from not giving his best, Kishor joined Fitpage's Satara run group. His dedication and commitment are reflected in his remarkable progress, culminating in a stellar performance at the 2023 SHHM, completing it in an impressive 1:36. Looking ahead, Kishor sets ambitious goals, aiming for a Sub 3:00 finish in the London Marathon and targeting a Sub 1:30 time in the SHHM. Balancing life and running, Kishor emphasizes the importance of patience, quality training, and maintaining a well-rounded life. He encourages fellow runners and beginners to trust Fitpage's training plans and advises putting oneself in uncomfortable positions to conquer any obstacles on the path to success. Kishor's journey exemplifies that success demands time and effort but is ultimately a rewarding endeavor.About Vikas Singh:Vikas Singh, an MBA from Chicago Booth, worked at Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, APGlobale, and Reliance before coming up with the idea of democratizing fitness knowledge and helping beginners get on a fitness journey. Vikas is an avid long-distance runner, building fitpage to help people learn, train, and move better.For more information on Vikas, or to leave any feedback and requests, you can reach out to him via the channels below:Instagram: @vikas_singhhLinkedIn: Vikas SinghTwitter: @vikashsingh101Subscribe To Our Newsletter For Weekly Nuggets of Knowledge!

On this episode of Applaudable Perspectives, Pam Lewis is joined by Sytera Sanders. After meeting during a trip to the Amazon, the two sit down for a conversation live from the Amazon. Born and raised in Michigan, Satara found herself starting in the law enforcement field early on with encouragement from police programs at a young age. She led a full career as a police officer before recently retiring. Tune in to hear more about law enforcement in America, as well as life advice. 

Da, svi znate šta je glavna tema ovih dana u našim medijima, ko ukrade šou svakome. Međutim, sem priče o snimku jedenja parizera, ima tu još tema. Od raskola u CPC, žrtvometrije u Jasenovcu, preko disekcije numere "Veseli se srpski rode", od toga kako je počela srbizacija na ovim prostorima, stižemo i do ekskluzive zvane "Nemanja brani Đokovića". Lagani prelaz ka jesenjem formatu. Pratite nas na: https://www.youtube.com/@dopisiizdiznilenda www.facebook.com/DopisiizDiznilenda/ www.podcast.rs/autori/dopisi-iz-diznilenda/ Ako želite da nam pomognete u održavanju servera na soundcloudu, uplate rado primamo na PayPal: mtanic@gmail.com ili postanite naš patron na www.patreon.com/dopisi Miljan: fb: /mtanic, Twitter/Instagram: @mtanic YouTube: /Mtanic Nemanja: fb: /paleksic @diznilend iTunes: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/id1223989792 Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/dopisi-iz-diznilenda-podcast Pocket Casts: pca.st/pT2h podcast.rs/show/dopisi-iz-diznilenda/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4U3wm6QOkJ30QEbk1kvqZS?si=RM6QdrOlTuO0WUJzYBl7hA

Welcome to a Live Summer Conversation that has been years in the making! I'm grateful to have known Mohita Satara since 2017 and in that time I have witnessed the beauty and service she offers the world, as well as her strength and courage that was forged even more deeply in the fire of a life changing initiation — mid-pandemic, on the other side of the world.We discuss the dreams that brought her from India to the US at age 19, the path of promise fuelled by her creativity, her desire to make meaning in her life's work, and the sudden events that caused her to pivot in a completely different direction. Her journey has deepened her resolve to bring hope and healing to those who need it most.Forever grateful for you Mohita and that you are here with us to share your hard-won, powerful insights. You are an inspiration. ❤️✨Follow Mohita:Website: www.enterlighthouse.com (Functional Health Offerings)Instagram: @momotaraConnect with Sheila:Download The Seasons Self Care App: App Store - IOS   Google Play - AndroidGet on the waitlist for the Seasons CollectiveDownload the free Clarity Template  Instagram & all social media: @sheilaabotelhoPS: Thanks so much for listening. I would love your review! If you enjoy what I share in this episode, rate, Review & Subscribe on Apple Podcasts:https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/connect-with-sheila-botelho/id1527363160 I would really appreciate it. Thanks!

बातम्या सविस्तर ऐकण्यासाठी क्लिक करा....सकाळच्या पॉडकास्टला...1. United Nations : तालिबानमध्ये महिलांवर कठोर निर्बंध! संयुक्त राष्ट्राचा गंभीर इशारा...2. Aadhaar Authentication: सरकारचा मोठा निर्णय! 'या' 22 खाजगी कंपन्यांना दिले आधारची पडताळणी करण्याचे अधिकार3. संघाची शाखा ते पाकला गुप्त माहिती देणं; हनीट्रॅपमध्ये अडकलेले 'ते' DRDO संचालक कोण?4.  American Economy: अमेरिकन अर्थव्यवस्थेवर मंदीचे ढग आणखी गडद, उद्योगपती वॉरन बफे म्हणाले, स्वप्नातही...5. Satara: उदयनराजेंकडे केंद्रात लवकरच मोठी जबाबदारी; गृहराज्यमंत्री अजयकुमार मिश्रांची माहिती6. The Kerala Story: 'द केरळ स्टोरीला प्रोपगंडा म्हणणाऱ्यांनो जरा तुम्ही एकदा....', अदा शर्मा संतापली7. क्रीडाक्षेत्रातील बातमी - Wrestlers Protest: 'तर आत्ताच मी लटकतो', ब्रिजभूषण सिंग यांचं कुस्तीपटूंना खुल्ल चॅलेंज8. चर्चेतील बातमी - Ajit Pawar : "मिमिक्री करणं राज ठाकरेंचा जन्मसिद्ध अधिकार..." ; अजित पवारांचा जोरदार पलटवार स्क्रिप्ट अँड रिसर्च - युगंधर ताजणे

Satara, Maharashtra: March 14, 2023: Discourse by Satguru Mata Sudiksha Ji Maharaj

În acest episod abordăm, alături de Mistress Satara, un subiect pe cât de interesant, pe atât de trist. Cum se face că aceiași oameni care consumă content făcut de lucrători și lucrătoare sexuale, disprețuiesc aceiași creatori de content în viața reală. Pentru Mistress Satara, care are și un mic cult online, diferența între idolatrizarea online și felul în care se rapoortează oamenii la ea în offline, ca femeie trans și romă, este șocantă. Aflați povestea ei fascinantă și felul în care se schimbă perspectiva asupra muncii sexuale de la generație la generație. Iar dacă sunteți interesați de Open Poly Day la București, găsiți pagina Asociației CARE aici. Ai sub 18 ani, îți recomandăm https://www.sexulvsbarza.ro Toate locurile unde o găsiți pe Kitty Tema muzicală: Dorroo

Potrebujemo čebulo, paradižnik, papriko in jajca. Čebulo narežemo in damo pražit (brez prilivanja olja), nato dodamo na rezance narezano papriko, vmes zrele paradižnike potopimo v čim bolj vročo vodo, jih olupimo in razkosamo ter premešamo. Pokuha naj se do mehkega, po okusu dosolimo, dodamo baziliko in peteršilj. Dodamo še razžvrkljana jajca (eno ali več po osebi), dobro pomešamo, da jajca zakrknejo ter odstavimo in takoj postrežemo. Če imamo več zelenjave, lahko nekaj prihranimo za ozimnico - preden dodamo jajca, naložimo v kozarce ...

Potrebujemo čebulo, paradižnik, papriko in jajca. Čebulo narežemo in damo pražit (brez prilivanja olja), nato dodamo na rezance narezano papriko, vmes zrele paradižnike potopimo v čim bolj vročo vodo, jih olupimo in razkosamo ter premešamo. Pokuha naj se do mehkega, po okusu dosolimo, dodamo baziliko in peteršilj. Dodamo še razžvrkljana jajca (eno ali več po osebi), dobro pomešamo, da jajca zakrknejo ter odstavimo in takoj postrežemo. Če imamo več zelenjave, lahko nekaj prihranimo za ozimnico - preden dodamo jajca, naložimo v kozarce ...

Today's edition of Hangout with Sujata features a unique guest. Sujata is joined by Special Public Prosecutor (Mumbai) Vaibhav Bagade. Vaibhav has done his BSc LLB and Diploma in Forensic Science. Completing his graduation from YC College Satara and law from Mulla Law college Satara. He started his profession at Mumbai in 1990.. After an initial struggling period he established as a trial lawyer at Mumbai courts. Had occasion to deal many complicated murder trials Writ Petitions etc. Few famous cases that he dealt with are the cases of Terrorist Afzal Usmani, Abu Jundal Kawdas Rape case etc. I am really blessed and very proud to know a lawyer like Vaibhav Bagade. Song included: Kisi Ke Muskurahaton Pe (Anari) by Mukesh Enjoy!

In this episode, Dr. Sandeep Kate, the founder of Satara Hill Half Marathon speaks with Vikas, the founder of Fitpage, on the evolution of the race and what makes this race so special.  This race is known as one of the most sought-after races because of the route profile, race support, community support, and the mountains. Dr. Kate himself is also an accomplished marathoner, finisher of Comrades marathon, and an urdent supporter of a fitter lifestyle.  The objective of this podcast is to highlight how an effort to be fit, that started with one person a decade ago with his own personal journey, has almost become a Movement in the form of this running event that is loved by runners from all parts of the country.Vikas hosts this weekly podcast and enjoys nerding over exercise physiology, nutrition, and endurance sport in general.  He aims to get people to get out and 'move'.  When he is not working, he is found running, almost always.  He can be found on almost all social media channels but Instagram is preferred @vikas_singhh.Episode Summary:00:21 - About this episode02:24 - Welcome Dr. Sandeep Kate to the show!03:52 - How did Dr. Kate start running?08:02 - Building the iconic Satara Hill Half Marathon21:13 - Bring more volunteers together and the complete race profile28:42 - About the medals31:28 - About the 2022 Edition of the Race - dates, registration, planning, and more!40:48 - How has race contributed to the community and the economy of the city?43:33 - Dr. Kate's advice to runnersReach out to Vikas:Instagram: @vikas_singhhLinkedIn: Vikas SinghGmail: vikas@fitpage.inTwitter: @vikashsingh1010

This is the podcast (in Hindi) of All India Radio interview of Dr. Anil K Rajvanshi conducted by Shri Sachin Prabhune of AIR, Satara on 20th April 2022.The broadcast was done firstly from Satara station on 26th April and nationwide broadcast on 22nd May 2022.This broadcast forms a two part series on the life and work of Dr. Anil K Rajvanshi (https://nariphaltan.org/shortbio.pdf). The first part is available at; https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/anilrajvanshi/episodes/2022-03-03T03_52_54-08_00

This week, The Musafir Stories speaks with a very dear listener - Amruta Dhalkar, a museologist, who takes us to a beautiful yet underrated city in Maharashtra! Today's destination: Kolhapur, MaharashtraNearest Airport: Kolhapur Airport, KLHNearest Railway Station: Kolhapur Railway Stn, KOPPrerequisites - N/APacking - Pack light, carry extra liquids as it can get hot during the dayTime of the year - September to February is the best time to visitLength of the itinerary: 3-5 daysItinerary Highlights: We start off our conversation by a quick peek into the history of Kolhapur, the origin of its name originating from the Kolhasur demon, as well as the other popularly known names of Kolhapur in the past - Brahmagiri and Karvir. The city was ruled by various dynasties including Satvahanas, Chalukyas, Rashtrakutas, Shilharas and marathas. We also talk about the erstwhile links of Kolhapur to european countries as early as 1-2nd century CEWe start off our exploration with the most iconic temple the Mahalaxmi temple or the Ambabai temple that is important to both Shaivites as well as Vaishnavites. Other important places include the Old Palace, which was the seat of Tara Rani Devi, wife of Chattrapati Raja ram, the second son of Chattrapati Shivaji. We briefly discuss the two lineages or gaddis of the Maratha empire - Satara and Kolhapur and the important personalities The next pitstop is the New Palace, designed by Major Mant and built during the time of Maharaj Rajarshi Shahu, it is built in a stunning Indo Saracenic architecture.. A part of the palace also serves as the royal family's residence. Apart from this the palace also houses a museum, a lake, formerly a zoo, and Khasbaag - a wrestling stadium. We also discuss the contribution of Maharaj Rajarshi Shahu, who was as much a social reformer as a king. He was involved in encouraging Dr. BR Ambedkar in his movement as well as starting his newspaper - Mookanayak. He was also the first to introduce reservation for backward classes, as early as the 1900s. He was also a patron of artists and sportspersons, especially wrestling. The next point of interest are some museums starting off with Townhall, which has a variety of artefacts including some found from the 1st century CE on the banks of the Panchaganga river. Kolhapur has a significant contribution to the Maharashtra film industry and there are a number of museums dedicated to this and personalities from the field. This includes Chandrakant Mandare museum and Bhalji Pendharkar museum. Finally a unique lifestyle museum is the Kanheri Mutt museum that depicts life in a village 200 years ago. We then come to the most important part of the journey - food and shopping! Food of the region include Kolhapuri Misal, Mutton and chicken tamda rasa (mutton and chicken curry), kolhapuri bhel. Another unique offering of Kolhapur is the Doodh katta - a place where milk from the buffalo is provided as a nutritional drink. From a shopping perspective there are several options beyond the very popular kolhapuri chappal or jutis which have their own unique style (and a sound when you walk) along with the kolhapuri petha or headgear, kolhapuri saaj or jewellery. FInally, a couple of other options close to Kolhapur include the iconic Panhala fort, the beautiful temples of Adinath Jain temple and Kopeshwar temple and the beautiful water bodies of Kolhapur including Panchaganga river and its ghats, and of course the popular Rankala lake to cap off the journey! Links:Link to Amruta's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amrutadhalkar/Link to Amruta's Twitter: https://twitter.com/amruta_dhalkarPhoto by Bhupendra Singh on UnsplashFollow the Musafir stories on:Twitter : https://twitter.com/musafirstories?lang=enFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/themusafirstories/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/musafirstoriespodcast/?hl=enwebsite: www.themusafirstories.comemail: themusafirstories@gmail.comYou can listen to this show and other awesome shows on the IVM Podcasts app on Android: https://ivm.today/android or iOS: https://ivm.today/ios, or any other podcast app.You can check out our website at http://www.ivmpodcasts.com/

 *****BANDCAMP FRIDAY ON 3/4***** REPOST!As we end Black History Month for 2022...we have the annual radio show featuring all artists of color!! All tunes can be found and bought on Bandcamp, direct links to each song will be posted on my Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/KNUCKLEHEADPUNX) and also clickable below. These artists are from all over the USA, some new, some old, and all over the genre spectrum. Be sure to check out all the tunes!! Here's a link to all these artists and more on my Bandcamp Collection: https://bandcamp.com/knuckleheadpunx Playlist: 1. Good Vibrations - Spitphyre 2. Refuge - Host Bodies ft. Containher 3. New Found Stranger - Mia Madden ft. Satara 4. Believe It or Not - ADPTD 5. Nothing Permanent - Meet The Bug 6. Jump!! (Or Get Jumped!!!)((by the future)) - Soul Glo 7. Always Swing First - Pinstock 8. Control - Real Clothes 9. Everything Happened Between Tuesdays - No Functional Purpose 10. Fine - Butter Boys 11. Killer Show - NC17 12. Walk With You - Oceanator 13. Tipsy - Moni Grace 14. Invasion - Negro Terror 15. Enemy of You - Rasan in the Heyday 16. Maybe You're Right (At Least For Today) - Sarah Golley 17. Plastic Bottles & Tubs - Pseudo 

When students speak, the education world must stop and listen. That's the exciting opportunity we're presenting in the newest season of Future of School: The Podcast, in which you'll hear diverse perspectives from a number of learners whose experiences in school and their lifelong trajectories have been transformed for the better as a result of the choices they made with respect to interesting educational options. Future of School is pleased to present the Students Speak series in partnership with National School Choice Week. The series is hosted by Amy Valentine, Future of School's CEO and Education Evangelist. In the first episode, we hear from Satara Ehnes, a graduate of the Julesberg School District in Colorado and current student at Nebraska Wesleyan University. Julesberg is a small rural district of fewer than 900 students, positioned just minutes from the Nebraska border. Despite the district's small size and remote location, students have abundant opportunity to pursue their goals due to an administration that prioritizes students' individual objectives and strategically utilizes technology. In Satara's case, she determined early on that she would like to pursue a medical degree, but was also aware of the time and cost associated with such a path. Through partnerships, the district made it possible for her to graduate high school with an Associate's Degree, putting her well ahead by the time she entered a four-year university, and she is now nearing graduation and planning for medical school. Further, Satara is an advocate for the benefits of a well-rounded education that exposes students to real-world opportunities: “I didn't just learn how to read and write. I learned how to be a leader. I learned to take responsibility. I learned time management. So when I did make the transition from being in high school, living with my parents, being involved in all the extracurricular activities to the vast realities of being a young adult .. I think that really eased the transition.” Subscribe to hear more Students Speak episodes along with upcoming series from Future of School. Follow Future of School on Twitter @futureof_school, follow Amy Valentine @amyvalentine555, and learn more on our website: www.futureof.school National School Choice Week is a not-for-profit, charitable effort to raise awareness of effective K–12 education options for children. NSCW focuses equally on traditional public schools, public charter schools, public magnet schools, private schools, online schools, and homeschools. Participate in the conversation by following @schoolchoicewk on Twitter and using the hashtag #schoolchoiceweek. Learn more at https://schoolchoiceweek.com

Twenty-four year old aspiring actress, Satara Stratton disappears in Hollywood. In Tennessee, her mother Sharon is desperate to find her and launches a search to find Satara that takes her deep into the seedy side of a star studded city. LOOKING FOR MORE PATRICK AND ELLYN? JOIN OUR PATREON! At the $5 level you get 3 FULL BONUS EPISODES PER MONTH! Right now there are over 25 full bonus episode to download and binge right this second! Including our coverage of "See No Evil", "Evil Lives Here", "Snapped", "Who the Bleep Did I Marry" and more!! AND YOU GET TO PLAY OUR MONTHLY TRUE CRIME TRIVIA! We do it on Zoom, we all get to hang  out, and you can win cool prizes!!! Plus there are ad-free versions of our entire catalog of episodes! CLICK HERE TO JOIN!

Mehreen Malik talks to Urvashi PardeshiHas been a part of the show Tara from Satara airing on Sony tv. Besides that she's been acting in plenty of music videos, Tvcs, Prints, digitals etc. She's venturing out and experimenting new things like she's working in South Films as a Heroine, she's been modelling for plenty of brands, she's also an influencer on the social media platform, and she has her YouTube channel wherein she puts up dancing video which has more than 10 million views. She believes in living her life to the fullest and follows where her heart takes her. Acting and dancing both has been a major part of her life but apart from that she is a spiritual person who has been living a different lifestyle.

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Investing in stocks, options, and futures is risky and not suitable for all investors. Please consult your own independent financial adviser before making any investment decisions.Unedited Transcript All right. All right. What's going on, everybody having. Whew. We are back at it, wine and down the end of the week, another dreary to Detroit day here behind me. I hope everybody's got a little bit more sunshine than we do. It's also very cold. I'm now wearing a light jacket in the morning, but what's going on guys.Market is ripping again. We are back to where we were before that Monday sell off, you buy the dippers out there. All of you by the dippers. I was not wanting. Congratulations to you. Round of applause, pat yourself on the back, you won a game. Uh, you know, I'm going to go ahead. Let's just look at this, this chart aspire really quick for a second, and we're going to zoom it out to a year and then we'll go to five years.Uh here's the one year chart is by, by the day. Tried and true. Uh, here's a two-year charter spy by the dip tried and true five years. All right. I guess at the, by the dippers, just always seem to win this one. Uh, but what's going on guys? This is the power hour. This is the trade idea show. That's why we spend this time together every single day.So if we are not delivering on ideas, call us out. You are empowered to do that in the chat. We're going to get rocking and rolling. Uh, first op we're bringing in Daniel from Curzio reading. Good. Good, good friend to Frank over there. Uh, and Daniel's going to be dropping some ideas on us. He's gonna be talking about the China situation a little bit, I believe.Uh, and then we, we have three public company CEO interviews today. Jam pack guys. Okay. Three public company's CEO interviews. A lot of them may be stocks that you're not familiar with. I'll give you the tickers there. S T a B N G T F and S O V O. Uh, so, so again, S T a B N G T F S O V O a, but without further ado guys, uh, let's go ahead and bring Daniel from Curzio research in there.And when you, if you have takers, drop them in the chat, uh, I see, et cetera, ETCs already go and he's got his affirm on there. He's got his hymns on there. Um, and, and, yeah, let's get these in here. Solar ops. We're talking about the cannabis. I am not in any of the cannabis stocks now, but, but, but maybe I ought to be, but let's ask Daniel, Daniel, are you in any of the cannabis names?Um, not right now. No, but, uh, they've been coming across the headlines a lot. And first of all, thanks, thanks for having me great to be here. Um, but if I were to look at something in full disclosure, I don't have it and I've been kicking myself, but , uh, if you want to pull that up, there are basically a roll-up company that does a medical marijuana and the facilities that they're going to use to produce and grow and distribute.And that's char has been absolutely beautiful from an investor standpoint. Five-year chart. Yep. And, uh, those guys, uh, I believe it's wall street guys that just got together and man, they they've just been knocking it out of the park. So that's the one that I would look at first, other than the big names Tilray and those et cetera.But man, a friend of mine gave me that under a hundred and I just kept thinking, all right, I'll wait and wait and wait. And, uh, that's, that's frustrating, but that's investing that's okay. Uh, and, and Daniel, but before we hop into it, uh, give me a little bit of your background. Tell us, tell us about your trading investing career.Um, and then let's dive into some time. Absolutely. So I joined a Frank Curzio here at Curzio research. Uh, coming up on four years. It'll be four years this October next month. And my background before that was, I started in the brokerage business as a financial advisor, uh, had series seven and 66. Then didn't enjoy that.I like the research side, but not the front office standpoint. They believer in savings and investing. And on the saving side, I'm big into whole life insurance as a, as a wealth management tool. I know that raises a lot of red flags and always gets a good conversation started, but that's for another time, I can argue that until I'm blue in the face.And, uh, then when I was listening to Frank's podcast and following him through his career, and when he said that he was starting his own shop and wanted an analyst, I threw my hat in the ring and here we are going on four years. Uh, and give it, give us the short insurance pitch. The short insurance pitch is if you're disciplined enough to say, if you compare a whole life insurance policy to a bank account, there's no other product out there that is quote unquote as safe and reliable.And it gives you the opportunity to earn interest as you use your money. And there's a big difference between the interest you earn and the interest you pay with the flexibility on that. It's a fantastic wealth building opportunity over the long term. It's not a trading deal. Uh, if you're, if you're old right now and I don't mean to be rude about that, uh, that's what, you know, everybody thinks they're too old for everything these days, but, uh, if you're anywhere under, I'd say 50, you ought to really give it a look and most policies are set up.In favor of the insurance company, meaning higher commissions, and you can split those premiums up and infinite banking process. If you Google that, you'll, you'll see a lot of good stuff. Uh, infinite banking by, uh, Nelson Nash. I believe I'll tell my head as a great book to dig into. All right, there we go.And if anybody has a question about the insurance side, dropped them. And I'll pass it along to Daniel, but all right. Let, let, let, let's get back to the stock side. What what's on your radar right now? What are you thinking about? We, you, you gave us a cannabis name to look at already, but, but what else?Yeah. And that was driven by, uh, you know, if you, you guys are all market junkies. So as you're looking at headlines and everything, uh, the biggest lesson that I'm learning and, you know, I don't have a crystal ball or anything, but you gotta be able to decipher. News to act on and what to ignore. And when you just, when your market junkies and you see a lot of things coming across your desk or your eyes, uh, in my opinion, headlines around pot stocks kind of went away and now they're coming back and I say, they're coming back over the last month, at least in my opinion.So, uh, and that's driven politically, uh, there's a lot of headlines about, um, there's a group of. I think there's a bill in the house or the Senate. I'm sorry, I don't, I'm on the fence there about protecting banks that do business with, uh, pot stocks, because that's a big red flag right now. Cause you still have this illegal NIS at a certain level.I mean, it's kind of scary to think about, Hey, the feds can basically go in and shut anything down, but we're not going to. So we're in this process of, Hey, this is a law, but we're going to ignore that. Uh, we see a lot of that with politicians on both sides of the aisle. So that's not anything new. That's, you know, I look through the world from a political and economic lens.Uh, I think everybody should do that because it literally affects everything in our lives, in reality, as consumers and individuals. Okay. Alright. And I'll, I'll draw, I'll throw mine in the ring too. I'm going to throw in the, the one that everybody thinks about, but till Ray, uh, Erwin Simon, CEO of Tilray founder of Hain, celestial, good friend of Benzinga.Um, I, I, he he's, I followed his career for quite a while and he's just such an incredible operator. Um, and, and so if I had to pick one, I'm picking the track record of, of, of his, on the management side and that's where Tilray would be my plate. And that's great because you want to focus on individuals. I mean, when you, when you don't have an investment that you can control, so it's not close to the vest you want to invest in management teams.Um, Frank talks a lot about that with, especially in the resource sector, you want proven management teams, you want skin in the game. So if that gentleman and you know him like that, that that's a, that's a check mark on the, on the good side for the teacher. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Well, what else is on your mind?You know, Yeah, we'll go from a boring to exciting. So low-hanging fruit. Uh, Intel has dropped the ball for a number of years. They've let you know, their lunch has been eaten by their competitors. They have a new CEO and I'm going to butcher this, but pat gins learner, and he just took over in February of this year.And I think that this is a situation where you can buy it and forget about it. I have a little bit of a full disclosure. You earn a decent yield. And I think that as there's more volatility in the markets, and if you see this transition from growth to value, like everybody's warning about or volatility, you're going to go into hard brand names, solid brand names with good balance sheets.And they. Just have to quit screwing up all the time, in my opinion, to get a higher price, uh, the new CEO's got big ambitions. That's what I like to see either. They're going to invest a lot in fab centers, uh, semiconductor buildings over the next several years. And that's a huge secular bull market.That's not going away anytime soon. So Intel, if it's not exciting, But I do think that that's the lowest hanging fruit out there on a, on one of the big, yeah. And looking at some of the multiples really quick. I mean, it seems like a pretty cheap stock. So we're looking at a forward PE ratio of 12. Um, I don't have the S and P 500 handy, average handy off the top of my head.Right. At least in the twenties, uh, and then a price to sales, a 2.8 versus that one I know S and P average is, is a little bit over four. So, so it definitely seems like a relatively cheap stock. Yeah. And you can argue, I mean, the, the lower PE uh, forward P against its peers is warranted right now, because again, they've been dropping the ball so many times, so this new CEO starts to get some momentum, starts to prove that they can show results.I think that you can see that P rice faster than the actual results in reality. Markets are always forward-looking and that's exciting. That can be good or bad, but again, you get a few, uh, you get a few check marks on this guy's side, and I think it could just take off and easily be, you know, 20, 25% and then kind of find that new normal and hang out there for awhile.And again, you get paid to wait and are you really worried about Intel going bankrupt? I'm not, but you know, that's a good, that's a good hiding spot. And I don't think it's going to be dead money going from. Yeah. And check this out guys. I, I just, I just want it up an income statement really quickly. Uh, you know, th this, this top number that we have here that I'm trying to highlight, uh, th th this is quarterly revenue, and I mean, we're looking at like five quarters in a row with.Literally no growth. Um, you know, we, we zoom it out to annual revenue and we're getting a little bit of growth there. Um, but, but not, not crazy exciting. I think that's what Daniel's referring to. Yep. Absolutely. All right. All right. What else you said you're gonna start pouring and taking. That's boring. So a upstart U P S T is the taker and a quick, uh, are you familiar with this company at all?I am going to Lockton. Who's also a good friend of Benzing as is very, very hot on this stock. A couple of times to us it's been absolutely going crazy lately and quick, a rabbit trail here. You guys need to be going through 13 F filings. Uh, there's free websites out there and that's just great use the power of the internet.We've never lived in a better time where guys like me on 35 can take advantage of, I mean, the amount of resource we have or the amount of information we have for free right now over the internet. It's just a huge step forward and it's just blind, dumb luck that we get to live in this period. None of us picked when we got to be born in order to get some of this information at all, you'd have to go to libraries, different things.So take advantage of there's 13 S I was going through those, uh, Dan Loeb of third point. Somebody I really respect and you know, like to listen to anything he writes or says and read anything he writes. So I just saw this in a filing and I just went through ticker symbols. Um, they're in a major growth platform where the banking and financial services are using a lot of AI.They have been for some time, but it's getting a lot of capital to flow into that space right now. So they do personal loans, consumer loans, and they basically go in and show banks, Hey, we can show you how to make more loans with a. Risk tolerance and a lower default rate. And why wouldn't you pursue that or look into that if you're a bank and that's a scalable business with all the loans and trillions of dollars out there.And as you can tell, I would wait for a pullback. This is definitely a momentum stock. Uh, we were just talking about, uh, PEs with, uh, Intel. I don't know what it is off the top of my head, but it's gotta be through the roof on. All right. And, and I want to throw this one out to the chat to, uh, is anybody in this Docker to anybody get into the stock from the show?Because when we first talked about it, it was in the seventies somewhere. I, this is the first time I've looked at it in a wild scene, three 40. I, I clearly missed the boat. Uh, but, but I'm curious if anybody out there caught the rip in this one. And so, so Daniel, I like, I like what you're picking up on it that you want to wait for for some of that pullback and.Let's let the momentum co come to a close, um, with the model like you're saying is so good. It's so reoccurring too, right. Is once a bank becomes dependent on upstart for, for lending and being like a core part of that engine is as to how they're pricing and deciding who to lend to. I would imagine that that's impossible, damn near impossible for these banks to rip out of their operations.Yeah, absolutely. It's, it's a sticky product and it's scalable. So as an investor, that's a great thing to have. So, you know, be, be prepared for volatility. Um, I, quick story. I told my dad about this around $95 a share, and I said I was buying it and I didn't. And he did, and I wasn't lying to him and it went.50 or whatever. And now look at where it is. He didn't sell it. So he's very happy. But of course I was kicking myself. I think I bought a gold stock or whatever, which I'm still down on. Uh, but I said, Hey, you need to buy this. I should buy this, but I'm going over here. And he did. So that's good. All right guys, and check out the quarterly revenue on this one.We're looking at four quarters of data right here on upstart again, sticker U P S T. We went from $51 million of sales to $194 million of. In four quarters. That's I don't know if there's other public company that operates at this scale that, that that's had that kind of growth. I mean, that's, that would be, if somebody out there wants to go run a quick stock screen, so set maybe market cap threshold somewhere, uh, or, or may set a revenue threshold outlet, like 50, a hundred million dollars and see if any other companies have this kind of growth.I, I would imagine that that there's not one. All right. So, so you're making it more exciting. Do you have a third one for us? Yeah. Along the same lines with the financial platform online platform, a sofa Jeffrey's just came out with initiation yesterday. I've been watching this. It's been volatile as well, and they put a PR $25 price tag it, price target on.If I, uh, if I remember correctly, which is damn near 50% upside from current levels. Well, depending on what it's doing right now today, but. You have a lot of money flowing into this space. It just makes sense from a standpoint and hell their name is on that, a beautiful new, however, billion dollars. It took to build that a football stadium out in California.Yeah. That, that, that, that was definitely an expensive sponsorship. I guarantee that. Yeah, I see, I see I'm using my trusty Benzinga pro here, looking at the recent analyst price targets. Uh, you know, I see the Jeffries yesterday that you mentioned at 25 Mizuho out there at 20. And then the, the low of the street credit Suisse came out about two weeks ago at 16 and a half.Um, and, and, and so, so BA basically, uh, is, is the thesis on this one? Daniel it's it's right. Space, right stock within that space. Yeah, absolutely. It's just, it's more of a momentum play. Uh, I liked the idea in general, but it's just when you have massive amounts of money flowing into that and strong brand types, uh, those are great for trading opportunities and then they can turn into long-term holdings.Okay. Yeah. And I'm zooming into a five day chart right now. So it's what we're looking at. I believe our five minute candles, let me get a, from a 10 minute candles, five day chart. Um, and, and we, we definitely see that rip higher with the market yesterday, uh, in, in tack down another 2% so far today. So, so, and let me throw this one out here, but I definitely see this symbol come up if anybody has long.So if I take her S O F I give me the one in the chat, if not give me the two, I want to get a sense of where the crowd is at on the. Uh, I I'm not in so far, but I do own a couple of the online brokerages. Um, one that I'm getting hammered in right now, uh, I've trimmed the position, but still have a little bit of a position in his tiger.Ticker T I G R a. It's like, like the Robin hood of China, Singapore, et cetera. Um, wow. We have a lot of Sophie owners in the chat check this out. Okay. So a lot of people who like sofa, I can get behind that. All right. Okay. All right. Daniel, anything else for us before we gotta hop? Uh, yeah, if you want to have a fun, uh, political pick a Smith and Wesson brands, uh, they're a pure play on fire symbol on that one.S WPI. Thank you. You can see, we impressed. So that was the first you're you're on stock number four, and I knew the first three. Okay. There you go. All right. SWB. So that massive spike there was after an earnings release, uh, they've recently, uh, I think right around the first of this month, September, they did their quarterly earnings, but that massive spike there, that what you can see on the chart is they blew out the numbers on the earnings release.And then it looks like the Reddit crowd got involved because look at that massive sky high, I mean, that thing just went parabolic for several trading days. Uh, this is a pure play on firearm. I know that's a touchy subject politically, but when you look at the numbers, the FBI background checks and things are falling year over year because of the strong, strong comps that they're compared to during the riots and the 2020 and all that kind of thing.But 50% of new gun buyers are women. Um, everybody I'm a small town guy. I grew up around firearms. So I'm biased as everybody else is, but I'm biased towards them. This is a company with no debt. They are. In a position to continue raising their dividend. Uh, it's not impressive. It's not a high yielding thing, but they are buying back stock as well.And you have a solid company with an amazing brand name and you have a product that people are, um, you know, it's, they have a huge demand for their products right now, their backlogs or their inventories about an eight weeks, which is kind of where they want to management. They're going to have issues along with everybody else with supply chains.When you get a great business in a fantastic financial shape and a well-known brand, um, that's, that's a good one right there. So, and it's got a decent short interest. So that, that spike that you see on the chart that could easily happen again. Alright. I like it. It's interesting. I have, uh, let me throw this edgy Daniel, then we're going to have to hop in a minute here, but here here's my take on the gun stocks is I feel like literally always, or at least.Once a year for the last 10 years, there's like a shortage. And like, there just becomes this narrative, all of a sudden that there's a shortage on guns or there's a shortage on ammunition. And then just a ton of energy pops into these stocks. And you know what I mean? It's it, it just seems like, uh, like, I don't know, like I'm sick, I'm bored of the narrative.Yeah, it does. I mean, and you're right. That does happen. I will tell you the biggest risk I see. This is, and why I think you have some short interest is you have such a political movement and like your major funds and investment companies like BlackRock and those, they have, they kind of shun these kinds of stocks.So you have a great business. You have high profit margins, but what's going to be. The big guys from flowing more money into these stocks is political reasons. That's your biggest risk in my opinion, but yeah, you're right. They, they get hot. They could be used as tradable securities. So that would work out for your listeners, but I wouldn't feel bad about buying and holding this either, but yeah, if you want to trade the pops and, uh, you know, sell on the rips and buy on the dips, that's a great idea.Right? Alrighty, Danielle, I appreciate you hopping on with us. How can folks stay in touch? Where should they go? What should they check out? Yeah. Uh, my email isDaniel@curzioresearch.com. Be sure to check out Curzio research.com and our wall street unplugged podcast that we now do over Tuesday, Wednesdays and Thursdays every single week.Alrighty. There it is. Thank you for joining us, sir, and dropping the ideas. All right. All right, guys. How was that? I see recurring theme of the chat and talk about Viacom. We will get the via, comes to your V I a C, but, but without further ado, w w we're we're going to keep the show rolling. Uh, we, we've got a nice slate of guests coming in for us today.Uh, first up CEO said, taro, biopharma, Mike Handley. I'm going to go ahead and let's bring Mike onto the. How are you doing today, sir? Thanks for that. Absolutely. Uh, and, and everyone, the stock symbol is ticker. S T a B said Sandy tango alpha Bravo, Bravo. Um, long week. Um, but, but, but my, my, I I'm one for, for a good stock symbol.You know, if, if, if a, if a company has a good ticker symbol that like automatically notches it up in my book, so maybe we could just start there for a second. Uh, why. Yeah. Interesting question though. Thanks for having me again. Yeah. Stab is a Sitara biopharma, obviously ticker symbols are a little hit and miss.Um, we were going for sta T but uh, stab is memorable. Um, and it also goes with our tagline, take a stab at stopping. Right. So, okay. We think it's more memorable than most taglines. Absolutely. No, that's great. I love it. It's like some of the ETF funds, right. I read out to them to I'm like, I don't know how you guys pick the ticker symbols, but if there's like a group or like, you know, something you survey include me in there, I haven't gotten any responses, but I love the memorable ticker symbol for sure.Absolutely. And, and, and Mike T taking a step back from the ticker symbol to the company. Uh, could you just give us a little bit of an overview on Satara for anybody out there who might not know. Yes, the terrorist, a, a company that just became public, uh, July 27th through a combination merger with Cleveland Biolabs, which was a NASDAQ listed company.I've been running a state Tara since April of last year. Um, we, uh, talked to Cleveland Biolabs synergistic platforms. So we're most looking at immunotherapies and, uh, it looked like a good combination of two companies. So we combined the two companies officially July 26. Or July 27th. Yeah. And I've been trading since then, and I've been working with circuits and getting visibility for our pipeline and we're about ready to initiate some Wade stage drug programs, uh, that we're really excited about that should help patients and deliver some new immunotherapies to the field.Excellent. And Mike, you, you, you, you mentioned, I think it was April, 2020, that, that, that, that you joined the company, is that accurate or that you've been running it. Yeah, I've been running it since April, 2020. We've done two acquisitions, um, raised or secured over a hundred million dollars in gone public.So it's been a busy what? 17 months. Yeah, no kidding. So, so, so, uh, the, the next question I have is, uh, is on background and, and I, I sort of have two pieces of it. Um, and, and you can pick the answer one, one, or both, uh, but, but either what, what was the impetus for the company? Or can you talk a little bit about your career prior, prior to.Yeah. Yeah, I'll answer both. So I've been in front of biotech for 24 years of running companies for the last 15 years. I'm very interested in the biotech space. Immunotherapy space started off at Amgen Genentech, which are the two big giants and biotech, of course, Genentech bought by Roche now, but Amgen still, uh, independent, uh, took over 17 products to market.You know, raise close to half a billion dollars and, uh, Brandon's is the terror. Like I said, April last year, they had a very interesting portfolio and uh, thought, um, this would be a great public company, a great opportunity to get some drugs, to some much needed patients, um, that don't have any other alternatives that are.Uh, so very excited about our platform, multiple shots on goal. We've got a great story and it resonates well with the street, from our interactions and our non-deal roadshow we've been doing. So we're very excited, better than current position. Okay. And I'll, I'll pick up on that roadshow comment that you made, you know, and w when you're going out to wall street and you're talking about the company, uh, you know, what, what aspect of the business is, is getting investors most.Yeah. Great question. So if you follow the biotech sector, we've seen immunotherapies just exploded in the past five years, I'll use two examples, Humira, which is a TNFL Footlocker sells about $19 billion a year. What's number one, uh, drug selling in us. And I think the world, and then you look at Keytruda.Merck's drug is a PD, one PDL, one inhibitor. It sells at 13 billion. It's also. Um, our approach to immunotherapies is a little bit different than what big pharma is doing. Those particular drugs suppress the immune system, uh, as in Humira. And they do that, um, to account for, um, uh, Crohn's disease, IVG rheumatory arthritis, and then the cancer drugs take the brakes off your immune system.So in effect, our narrative to wall street is the current immune therapies out there or. And they're generating a lot of cashflow and they're helping patients, but they also come with a large amount of side effects because you're suppressing the immune system. Um, in the one case with the Humira and other TNF, alpha blockers and the other cancer cases, you're increasing the probability of hyper inflammation in those patients.And that's been a cause and a concern and a warning for Keytruda, both great drugs, uh, both help patients, but we think there's a better way of doing immunotherapies. And that's what we're telling the street. And they're gravitating. Okay. And can you talk to us a little bit about him? Question in specifically the integration stuff.Yeah, I'm close was the second company we acquired. Um, they're a research driven company with, uh, cashflows and, uh, we're in the process right now of integrating them into our R and D platform. And they're working on our second gen, uh, immunotherapies. And we've got a couple of, uh, potential interesting candidates we're working through, but the inquest simply adds to.And, uh, we're building, I think one of the more interesting and the largest tool, like reception pipelines, um, in the U S if not the world, and that provides us with, again, a lot of shots on goal and a lot of ways to help patients. Okay. And I guess maybe taking a, a step back or a step higher than, than, than inquest specifically.Uh, but, but how do you see M and a fitting into the company's roadmap and why have you made the choice that, Hey, that that's the route that we're going to pursue to really grow. Yeah, I'm a firm believer the, uh, Biven bill, right. It's a lot of companies out there that have interesting technologies or platforms that would take me, you know, months to years to replicate the same thing and a much higher dilution to our shareholders.So, um, being opportunistic, looking at companies with the us. Uh, or complimentary or technologies that are complimentary. Um, we'll definitely use our public stock as currency. And like I said, we're well capitalized and we'll be opportunistic about what we go out and acquire, but it's definitely in the mold of our strategy going forward.So look at M and a, and be opportunistic about increasing our pipeline, both depths. Okay. And Mike, let, let, let me ask you one more question. And this one is always a tough one. Uh, but, but if you had to name one, one thing that you're most excited about, so somewhere on the roadmap, what, what would that one idea.Yeah, great question. Everybody asks me, um, obviously cancer therapies are near and dear to everybody's heart. Everybody knows a relative or friend that has cancer, and we've got some very good cancer therapies for developing an adjunctive treatment. Um, but probably the drug program I'm most excited about is our Crohn's programs.So what we've seen in phase two data is, uh, double the rate of remission in patients who take a once a day world. So current standard of character, marrow, injectable, biologic, um, you get a remission rate of in the low thirties. Um, our what our data, what we've seen is about a 67% remission rate, four weeks, once a day dosing, that is very compelling.And then the other thing I'm really excited about Crohn's is currently for pediatric Crohn's patients. There's nothing out there that, uh, Works. Well, all of that is black box warning. And as kids develop their immune system, it's really hard for them to be on these biologics, like Humira, Stelara, and Remicade.So we're running a phase three pediatric study that should kick off by the end of the year, um, in, uh, pediatric Crohn's patients. And we believe this will be a viable alternative to all the kids out there suffering from Crohn's disease. Awesome. Mike, I appreciate you taking the time to come on with us today.CEO said Tara, a ticker S T a B. And as I said, I do love that symbol and I love the memorability of it. If that's even a word, digging a stab at cancer. Awesome. Yeah. Appreciate it. Thanks for, thanks for your time. Have a good day. Absolutely. You as well. All right. All right, producer, Amy, what do you think.Love it love the company. Love the ticker. Great to have Mike on. Um, but Luke, we have an absolutely packed power hour show. Today. We brought on Daniel from wall street and unplug. We brought on my from Sitara buyout. Now it is time to bring on Sean C Sean folks and CEO of night food. Um, so without further ado, oh wait, wait, wait.Celsius is a hundred bucks. No way. Wait, did we ever get the video of Jonah shock? He said, he said he was going to shut you down. He did it leap and you're sleeping on Celsius. Sorry. Um, yeah. And then you also saw the news that Jonah said a Celsius is sending us some, some drinks to Florida for the conference.Yeah. Guys, if you want to come hang out with me and producer a B in journal up them and put the link in the chat, come say, hi, it's going to be about. That's really the only thing that's keeping me going at this point. So there you go. It will be a good time. Um, all right, Luke. Well, without further ado, I'm going to go ahead and bring Sean folks in on the show.Sean CEO of night food. Thank you for joining us on the Benzinga power hour. How are you doing on this beautiful Thursday? Great. My pleasure. Happy to be here. Great to have you, um, before we get started, do you mind just giving some, uh, background on the company for maybe some of our audience that may not be familiar?Sure. So across the country, On any given night, you've got over a hundred million people that are snacking in between dinner and bed. Uh, the most popular choices tend to be things that are loaded with excess fat, excess sugar, excess calories. Cause that's what we're hard wired to create. So you've got all these snacks being consumed, and they're not only unhealthy, but they're actually disruptive to sleep.When you eat the wrong things before bed, it can impair your sleep quality. So knowing that so many people are snacking at night on a regular basis, what night food does is we deliver healthier snack options that are specifically formulated to satisfy those nighttime cravings, but do it in a better, healthier, and more sleep friendly.There's plenty of companies out there over the last 10 or 15 years that have launched and had a lot of success with better for you snacks, which are generally healthier in terms of, you know, protein content or sugar content or caloric content, but only night food has looked at. Knowing that people are snacking within that hour or two before bed, what should we be putting in our bodies and what shouldn't we be putting in our bodies to make sure that we get the best night of sleep and sleep is becoming more and more of a challenge for a lot of people, uh, especially now with COVID.So we think the timing is great, and we think there's a billion dollar category to be had here in the category of nighttime. So is this something, I guess that took a lot of, you know, scientific research on, on night foods and to figure out like what it is specifically about, um, you know, what's in typical ice cream that can disrupt someone's.Well, I mean, there's been a general consensus for quite some time, and there's been a lot of research over the years. Uh, you know, excess sugar, uh, fat and calories are problematic. Um, you know, there are certain nutrients that can be beneficial, magnesium, calcium, zinc, vitamin B6. Uh, so the research really existed.Uh, and when we launched our, our challenge was. You know, to formulate a great tasting product, uh, with all these ingredients that can satisfy those cravings in that way. So, uh, really we stood on the shoulders of the existing research, which was out there. And it's really interesting because with so much snacking already happening at night.See, this is, this is not a behavior. That's, uh, it's not a trend. It's not a fad. This is how humans are wired. We're wired to crave these things at night, so it's not going away. So there was a lot of talk and a lot of research before we launched, but nobody had ever launched a product into the category, which we thought was really interesting.Now we've got Nestle, we've got Unilever, we've got Pepsi. They're all talking publicly about this category. Um, but, but we're the only ones operating in it. And so the challenge for us was not really to figure out what our snacks should be. An ice cream is the first, you know, what they should contain. It's more about really educating the.Got it. Yeah. And I mean, it sounds like, I don't know if it's fair to say, but you're kind of, um, you know, hacking the human, like hardwiring of wanting to crave these things, but then we, you can eat these things, but in it, and it tastes like what we're craving, but it doesn't have those kinds of detrimental effects on sleep.Is that. Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, you know, th the reason we crave these types of things at night is because putting extra fuel inside your tank before fasting is a survival mechanism that really served well, you know, the caveman ancestors, uh, you know, if, if they didn't have the resources, if they didn't store excess fuel inside their body, in the form of calories, they were less likely to survive.And specifically before the nighttime fast, that's when those cravings, that's why appetite peaks. Um, so yeah, what we're trying to do is, um, make sure that, that when you do give into those cravings and most people do that, you're doing it in a way that's beneficial and not detrimental. Got it. Um, so real quick on the business side, um, I understand.Uh, you know, you guys do a lot of I'm on the website right now, a lot of direct to consumer. Um, I see, you know, shipping is only 6 95 for an eight, eight pint order, but what about all on the B2B side, on the business to business side? Uh, you know, where does night food stand as far as with partnerships with, uh, you know, places like hotels and chains like that?Yes. So, so from a retail distribution perspective, we're in divisions of Albertsons we're in, uh, almost a thousand Walmart stores across the country. And other supermarkets and we're expecting to add quite a few more supermarket chains, uh, in the spring. You know, those meetings that are going on right now and things are being finalized, but the real cab.And what's going to be happening in the next few weeks and months is the hotel launch. So we were making a big push into hotels prior to COVID and then obviously COVID slowed things down quite a bit, but, uh, in the hotel environment, you know, everybody's been in the supermarket and you see there's there's six or eight doors of ice cream.There could literally be hundreds and hundreds of different varieties, different skews in there in the hotel environment, you've got a consumer that's typically purchasing for more immediate consumption. Our packaging, as you can see there says sleep friendly right on the front. We sell very well in the hotel environment in the past, we've sold pint for pint with Ben and Jerry's pint for pint with hogs.And we got contacted, uh, late last year. One of the leading global hotel brands just conducted and completed a test of night food in several of their hotels. And the test went very well. And what that's going to lead to is a national rollout of the ice. And what we believe also could be the ability to very quickly introduce additional product formats into that hotel environment.So the product sells very well. There, it's a great opportunity to capture high margin businesses, much more profitable than the supermarkets, but it's also really supportive. Of the supermarket distribution. Uh, we've seen, um, we've seen RX bar get into gyms and use that gym distribution to support their supermarket rollout.And then they sold to Kellogg's for $600 million a couple of years ago, Oatley also, which just IPO a few months ago, they very publicly stated their strategy is to roll into coffee shops. They've got to deal with Starbucks. Consumers will interface with the brand in that environment. And that will build trust that build awareness, and then the consumers run into the supermarket and start buying the product.So we think the hotel piece, obviously it's going to be great revenue contribution, great profit contribution, uh, but also really, really supportive of our supermarket expects. Yeah, that that's good insight there as to how you can kind of raise brand awareness through some of these, uh, B2B deals and that way, um, you know, bolstered the, the B2C sales as well.Um, so, so you mentioned some other of the big ice cream players out there. Um, do you see Knight food as a potential, like takeover target down the line? Uh, I do. I think it's, I think it's going to be inevitable. I think we're going to force their hands. You know, uh, when you think about it, Nestle and Unilever are the two largest out there, and they've both publicly expressed interest in this category.And, you know, especially being in the hotel vertical, it's really going to cement us as, as the category king and the category leader, you know, we've seen five-hour energy still sells over well, over 80% of the energy shots in the country. You know, every, everybody in the energy drink business just about has launched a shot and five-hour.Just swats them away. And I think, you know, if we play our cards, right, the same thing will happen in the nighttime nutrition space. And specifically being in the hotels makes it really hard for somebody to come in and try to outflank us. It's a lot easier to do if you're relying strictly on supermarket distribution, there's a lot more opportunity for the big players to come in and try to push us around.But in that hotel space, I think it's really going to insulate us quite a bit. Um, it's also going to really accelerate. Um, our growth curves so that by the time anybody decides they want to get in, we're going to be running out with really tremendous revenue growth as we scale into the hotels. And, you know, even if the first company decides they're going to try to launch against.Then what is the second company going to do? Are they going to play for third place? Are they going to try to require, uh, the category pioneer? So, um, I do think it's inevitable. Uh, you know, we've got some revenue targets that, you know, when we hit those, everybody's going to have to decide how are they going to.One thing. I didn't mention almost half of all snacking takes place at night. This is not a small niche. This is not five or 10%. This is almost half of all snacking. And it's not just Unilever and Nestle. Everybody knows about this Mon delays and Kellogg's, and Hershey's any company that's in the snack space.They know when the Oreos and the Doritos and the Ben and Jerry's are being eaten. And once we show that consumers are wanting and willing to make a small change in order to support better quality. Right, which is an easy jump for any consumer to make. Once these big companies realize that, then they know that the whole landscape of the snack category is going to change.You're talking about almost half of all snacking up for grabs. When all these cookies, chips, candy and ice cream are being consumed between dinner and bed. I don't think they're going to be able to lay off. I think we're going to be fielding. I mean, we've already been contacted by some of the companies, um, at least one of them that I mentioned on this call or.Um, I think the phone's going to start ringing once we start to really scale our revenues coming up. Got it. Yeah. That's exciting. I guess a, you know, a follow up question on that would be, how would you, uh, you know, quote unquote, you know, force their hands, as you said, you know, like what's to stop, you know, Unilever or, you know, uh, Ben and Jerry's whoever it is from going out and trying to develop their own sleep friendly.They could certainly do that. It's really not the way things are done. I mean, there was nothing stopping Kellogg's from making their own, you know, cleaner labeled bar. Uh, there was nothing stopping Hormel, which already owned Skippy, peanut butter for making their own organic brand. But no, they acquired Justin's.Um, and, and up and down the line, you know, uh, it's just not the way things are done these days for them to try to launch against us when they see a category pioneering. Growing at, at, you know, an exponential growth in a category where there's obviously going to be one king and lead player acquisition is the only way to go.Um, everybody else is going to be competing for second place and they all know that. Got it. Um, all right, Sean. Well, thank you so much for joining us on the power hour. Uh, but my final question thought would be, have you ever thought about doing a 180 and maybe making a caffeinated ice cream for breakfast?No, no, I've never heard about people have said we should make day food as well as night food. But you know, you look at the NyQuil analogy, right? And yes, they, they do make DayQuil now, but, but by, by, by commanding a specific day part, Luna bars, another great example when cliff made Luna bar as a protein bar for women, people said, Hey, you know, you're, you're eliminating a portion of your audience and the same thing with Nike.Uh, back in the mid to late sixties when they launched, but there's a lot of power in that kind of focus. And by being the company about nighttime snacking, when I was half of all snacking takes. At night, there there's power in there. We don't feel that it's limiting at all. We feel that it's laser-focused and it's not only going to be, uh, be more powerful in terms of our ability to grow, but it's going to present a more powerful, uh, value proposition to, uh, investors, whether that's our, our day-to-day shareholders or ultimately other conglomerates that might choose to enter the space through acquisition.Got it. Well, Shawn, thank you again for coming on the show today. I look forward to having you on again, anytime night, food has some exciting updates or news. We'd love to have you back on to kind of, uh, you know, bring that news to her. Fantastic. Thanks for having us. I know you mentioned Celsius hitting a hundred, you know, I've been studying Celsius.Um, you know, the, the chart is amazing and you see, there was years, you know, they were cranking away and the stock didn't move and now they're really getting rewarded in the marketplace. So congratulations to John and the whole Celsius team as well. Yeah, of course. You, you, you mentioned the chart, you a trade stocks.I don't, but I, I do feel a lot of questions from investors and certainly, you know, I'm studying Celsius to see, okay, you know, what, what was going on during those years? Where were, were, wasn't moving, you know, what changed? And, and it's a really, uh, really amazing thing to look at, but now I only do it because, because I'm asked.A hundred percent of my net worth is in night food. And, uh, my, my wife and I are okay with that and my kids. And we're very excited about. There you go. Who knew, who needs diversification. All right, Sean. Thank you for joining us. We'll be in touch. We'll be in touch. We'll we'll have you on again soon.Thanks so much guys. A B I was, I was late for that. Um, but. Aye. Aye. Aye. What I want to say. It was also in the chat, which was, uh, someone who, who said this in the chat. They have very cool labeling. I feel like a, uh cause I, everyone always like, whenever you take like a marketing course, they always say, oh, labeling and packaging is so important.And I think, oh, that doesn't work on me. And then here I am. I'm like, oh yeah, they have, they have cool label. I might try that because all that stuff, if that works is done on the subconscious level. So you're not actually. Um, you know, consciously saying, oh, I'm going to buy this because it's got better packaging, but you subconsciously do, did you not?I may have missed it. So I apologize. Did you ask for, for free sample? No, I forgot to do that. I don't know if Sean can still hear us, but if you can, you can email email, I'll send you our address and we will gladly take some free samples. Um, yeah. Spencer, the only question you caught was mine about the, the morning ice cream.Hey, if they're not going to do it, that might be a whole, whole new market out there. Can they, can they, I don't know if you can ship by stream in the mail, whatever, whatever, and you missed it on the, on the website eight by eight pints. It's only $6 and 95 cents. It's a great, I was preparing, I was preparing for our health care conference negative next week.So I apologize for, but I'm here now. I'm here for our next, our next guest, which I'm excited for AB. Um, we have Todd Lachman, who is the Sovos CEO. It's very exciting. The company is IPO in today. Um, and, and we are getting fresh new public companies on the Benzinga power hour. Nowhere else. Can you go on YouTube to find content like this?So smash the like and subscribe. If you haven't already Spencer, without further ado, let's bring Todd on this. There is that guys doing great to be with you today? Yeah, Todd, I'm sure you're very busy today with Sovos IPO in. Um, are you joining us live for I'm from New York? I am joining Vive from New York.Uh, the NASDAQ tower right here. Wow. How's the day going so far busy, but great. Uh, honestly guys it's, uh, I mean, what an exciting. You know, for, uh, for so most brands we're thrilled. Uh, know, we're just thrilled for the journey ahead. It's like to tell you more about it today. And so maybe let's just start with what, what, what the company is, and then I'll, I'll get to my, my, my real questions.So look here. Well, I've been in the industry for awhile, so throughout my career, Plus year time. And in CPG, I was, you know, across brands, categories, companies, geographies. I was always struck by the fact, you know, that you've got these smaller on-trend brands growing at the expense of the largest brands in the store.Some people call them challenger brands, disruptor brands at Sovos. We call them one of a kind brands, but I, I felt that there was an opportunity to create a company specifically suited in order to. Uh, have the talent, the culture, the capabilities, the infrastructure, to build a portfolio of these, one of a kind brands.I mean, w we look specifically for brands that have tastes superiority strong, consumer affinity, high quality ingredients with a cleaner label and authenticity at their core. And that's what we have with Rayos Michelangelo's Noosa, Birch benders, fastest growing food company in the U S uh, outperforming our categories by 25 percentage points.And the journey is just. Okay. Since we were just talking about it, uh, and I didn't get to ask our last guest, I'll ask you Todd, just about packaging and labeling and branding and, and just how important on a scale, like one to 10, how important is that for you? On a scale of one to 10? I don't know if it's, uh, it's, it's really important.Um, I don't know. Let's say it's like, let's, let's say it's a, you know, a seven, eight, you know, kind of what you're talking about, but what's, what's interesting. I think it's more important, uh, for brands like ours that are premium priced high quality. The difference is so different. What's in the jar that, you know, that is the most differentiating aspect for us.The package is. But what's doubly critical. Let's take a brand like Rayez. You've got whole Italian peel tomatoes, fresh basil, fresh onions, olive oil inside that jar, slow simmered and cooked and open kettles. And you've got the market leaders with paste and added sugar and added water and canola oil. So just to kind of highlight the difference in our products versus.The difference of, uh, you know, once they're, so with us, the reason we're able to command a premium price. I mean, Rayos is three times the price of the market leader Rayos is growing at 42%. We're almost the number two brand in the category and the market leaders are flat to declining. So what's in that package is really the magic that's delighting consumers.So, is it mostly, you know, brands under the Sovos umbrella? Are they mostly, um, you know, healthier alternatives organics, um, or is that just happens to be the case with a rail? Sure. No, all our brands, we look for brands with high quality ingredients and cleaner label. Let's say Birch benders has an organic offering, a high quality ingredients.Uh, basically almond flowers, tiger, nuts, uh, you know, all sorts of high-quality ingredients in those products. We have organic, we have a keto and paleo offering keto and paleo Birch benders, pancake waffle mix, two of the fastest spinning items. Then you've got a brand like new stuff, whole milk, real fruit, north American wildflower, honey, with a proprietary process.I mean, this is a great example of guys that, you know, we're, the category is going one way. How much taste can we take out of the container? We're looking at, see how much tastes we can put into the product. And that's why consumers are flocking to new Senate's it's growing well. Well, ahead of the category, very differentiated.Oh, go ahead, Spencer, go ahead. Have you, or maybe down the line, have you guys ever sold like individual brands to maybe market. We, we have acquired we've averaged about four acquisitions a year. We have not invested in asset. We have no plans to we're building a portfolio of one of a kind brands. And quite honestly, we have, uh, you know, plans to acquire more brands in the future.Uh, Y you mentioned the term CPG consumer packaged goods. Why would a consumer package goods company IPO right now? Why. Sure. Well, I, you know, I think just speaking for Sovos brands, we're of the size, you know, the scale, the profitability level, then it's appropriate for us. We've been, uh, you know, we were founded four and a half years ago.We're a $669 million of sales growing at 31% were profitable. This is not a story where I'm saying, Hey guys, I'll be back on in five years when I am profitable. We've been profitable from a, from day one. Uh, you know, so I think at this level, and then look at it, it provides us with, uh, with the balance sheet and the infrastructure and, you know, the sort of widen the aperture to whether it's talent, acquisition, future M and a it's just, it's the perfect time, honestly, for, uh, for Sovos to become a public.Got to ask you about the Al green in the room, which is just, um, uh, the impact that, that COVID the pandemic has had and on everything, right? Uh, whether it's supply chains, whether it's labor costs, uh, whatever. However, you want to answer this question and take it, but like what, what is the impact that the last year and a half has had on your business?Sure. So. Look, I mean, I think there's a few things that, uh, if you just think from a brand perspective, we have brands that have that taste superior brands that have strong consumer affinity with the type of ingredients that we have. They have a higher propensity to stick in a household after trial. Then highly substitutable me to mainstream brands.So we have gained the amount of trial that we've gained over the past 18 months has been prolific just during this, this horrible pandemic. And if you look at a brand like ratios, our penetration is double from 5% to 9.6%. That's why the brand is growing at 42% last 52 weeks versus, you know, the. You know, flat.So, uh, you know, what we've seen is we're gaining trial of our, you know, of our premium brands and they're sticking in the, in the household clearly from a supply chain standpoint, uh, you know, just like everybody, we've had to be really nimble and tenacious and keeping our products and supply. And I'll, I'll tell you one thing we're in a year, as difficult as it was in 2018.And a company of our size. We've got vendor of the year at target and supplier of the year at whole foods. Wow. Because you know, one of our core guiding principles is obsessed with the front line. You know, we're the more time we can be focusing on our retails or on the consumers, on our frontline heroes that come to work every day to make our delicious products.Uh, I mean, that was a real, a Testament to the fact that, you know, our, our phenomenal employees are working so hard to keep our customers in. So Todd, I don't know if you have kids, but it's oftentimes hard to, uh, to pick a favorite kid, but I'm going to ask you, I'm going to ask you to do it here out of the four brands, uh, currently right now under Sovos, which one is your favorite?Or maybe what's the most popular in your own household? Yeah, I do have three kids and we always joke about which job I'm not going to ask you that question. I'll ask you, Kyle Paul and Isabel are listening today. So I will, I won't treat. But, uh, I apologize. I'm going to tell you right now that I've got four outstanding children.So those portfolio with those, with Noosa, with Birch benders, uh, it, look, you got a brand like radios. That's changing the sauce category forever in regards to whole tomato sauce, you have nuisance. Is there a category in and of itself, it tastes, tastes like yogurt. And then we couldn't be more excited that we just added Birch benders to the, uh, to the portfolio, the fastest growing frozen waffle they're a brand.We just launched it into the baking mix aisle with some Quito offerings. So, uh, for four great children in the, uh, in the Soho's portfolio. Oh, favorites. Todd, is there a product category you're not in, but you very much want to be in right now. So great. So I'd say number one, we were at about seven categories.Now. We really like the categories that we're in today. I would say I'm not going to choose a category, but I would say that there are categories adjacent to ours or close to adjacent to ours, that we also really like, we, there are other sleepy categories that are in need of disruption or are being disrupted today by other brands that we would love at some time to add to the Sovos portfolio.So, you know, Some companies are sort of attracted to the category. that? Wow, this is like the place I've got to be. I'm not going to name that area, but there's, some of those were, you know, we're sort of looking at a different direction or those categories that, that, that are right for disruption. I'll tell you a category that we entered with ratios with soup.Everything is in a can. Why can't it? The consumer gets sued. That's not an, a camp. Well, until Rayos came in with glass jar. Absolutely delicious meal and a jar consumers. Couldn't get Superdome in a jar and now they can see that great delicious soup. And it's the, now the number five soup brand and only 18 months.Uh, last one for me, you mentioned you're in a target you're in whole foods. I assume you're nationwide. If you're in both of those locations, have you considered direct to consumer model? Sure. So we, uh, we're partnering well, their customers, whether it's clicker collect and on their retailer e-commerce programs, we do sell an example of what we do sell direct today.If you go on rails.com, we have great gifting baskets. We have some super premium rails, limited reserve products. So aged balsamic, white truffle marinara. We do sell a direct some, uh, some super premium, super, super premium products on the, uh, on the, on the radio site today, as well as, as well as Birch benders.So, um, we do have some experience and, uh, in that area, but not for the, the, the main, the main products, the main products are on only in stores. Uh, the majority. Yes. Okay, cool. All right. I, I think we covered it. It's one o'clock we don't wanna take up too much of your time. It's been a busy day. We've we we've been on with Todd Lockman, the CEO of Sovos brands, ticker, S O V L IPO, like for an hour ago, actually.Um, so, uh, yeah, Todd, thanks so much for, uh, taking time out of your day to, to hop on that. And you can get to ring the bell today. Yeah, we do. We do. Awesome. All right. We'll be watching. We'll be watching. Hey, great to meet you both. You as well? Uh, that was fun, Spencer. Um, I'm hungry, man. As I know, we went straight from ice cream to more delicious food.It's like, what are we, what are we doing right at lunchtime to, oh my gosh. Yes. I'm Hong it's one. O'clock let's go eat everyone. Uh, grab some food and come back to, uh, get technical with you're starting live right now. AB I think, uh, can we get, uh, I think we'll get Neil going and if you haven't already guys drop us.How many likes are we at? Let's find out not enough, not enough. And I'll tell you that much or at wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. We're at 52 50. Oh guys. Come on. Four interviews today, three public company execs, one IPO and a Partridge in a pear tree. We did it all for you today. So at least get us to a hundred and.Th th that, that that'll be, that'll be that I spent, I'm going to hop out and get Neil started. I will see you when I see ya. Okay. AB was see over on gay telling all this stream will end. It'll redirect you automatically to get technical. That's how we do things here on Vincent. Any feedback, questions, comments, concerns shows admin zynga.com.Email us, check out Benzinga events.com. To see all of our future events from our, our healthcare conference next week to cannabis next month to, uh, everything. All right. That's a wrap for me here. Hit the, like us here, you guys over on getting technical with, uh, wacky Neil Hamilton. 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In the Ultraman Canada 2021 athlete profile section I speak with The Milkman to Ironman athlete from Satara, India, Abhay Kelkar.  We speak of the trials of training in rural India and how a foundation called Mann Deshi helps young women in India to succeed.The second half picks up my conversation with Ultraman race announcer Steve King.  In this episode, we speak about his music, his wife, and how Ultraman is like an art. Resources mentioned in this episode:Mann Deshi FoundationMilkman to Ironman videoSteve's website  :  Steve-king.ca Steve King facebook Steve's List of Ultraman Records  :  UM records Shout outs and mentions in this episode:Dr Kaustubh RadkarPrabhat SinhaMatt HillChad Bentley Dr. Jeff HarriesBill Head Dan CummingSteve's Music Mentions : The Moody Blues, The Who, David Bowie, The Action, The Move, Colin Hay, Simply Red, 10cc, Dion & the Belmonts, John Bonamassa, UB40, Ali Campbell, Fleetwood Mac, John Lennon, George Harrison, Eric Clapton, David Grohl, Neil PeartScott McDermott -- Living the Warrior CodeChristian IsaksonKurt MaddenArdis BowShow Contributors:Host : Larry RyanContributing Raconteur : Steve KingAnnouncer : Mary Jo DionneProduction : 5Five EnterprisesSponsor : Ultraman CanadaMusic  :  Run by 331please visit the Podcast Website: https://515theultrapodcast.buzzsprout.com/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/515TheUltraPodcast

Episode Notes Cici can be found on twitter @postleftprole. The IAF-FAI can be found on twitter @IAF__FAI and through their website iaf-fai.org. The Javelina Network can be found on twitter @JavelinaNetwork. The host Margaret Killjoy can be found on twitter @magpiekilljoy or instagram at @margaretkilljoy. You can support her and this show on Patreon at patreon.com/margaretkilljoy. For an overview of radio from an anarchist perspective, check out the zine For An Anarchist Radio Relay League. Transcript 1:32:19 SPEAKERS Margaret, Cici, Eepa Margaret 00:14 Hello, and welcome to Live Like the World is Dying, your podcast for what feels like the end times. I'm your host, Margaret Killjoy. Are use she or they pronouns. This week I'm talking with two people who have a lot of experience with different radio communications, mostly HAM radio and other means of two-way radio communications. Their names are Cici and Eepa and they work with the Indigenous Anarchist Federation and/or the Javelina Network which is a network of—well, they'll explain it. And we're going to be talking a lot about radio communications, and they actually do a really good job of breaking it down—a subject that could feel very technical. I know I get very overwhelmed when I try and understand radio communications. They break it down in a fairly non-technical way that, well, I'm excited for you all to hear. So this podcast is a proud member of the Channel Zero Network of anarchist podcasts. And usually I lead with a jingle, but this week I'm going to do something slightly different and first I'm just going to say welcome to the Maroon Cast. I don't believe they have a jingle yet. But there is a new podcast on the network called the Maroon Cast and it is absolutely worth checking out. And the jingle—they actually call it a commercial—that I am going to play is from the Institute for Anarchist Studies who are offering grants. And here's that. Hooray. Hey radicals, anarchists, and all of you liberatory leftists. Are you a podcaster, video maker, multimedia artist, or writer? The Institute for Anarchist Studies wants to let you know we have grants available for projects focusing on Black and Indigenous archaisms, police abolition and alternatives, and mutual aid. For details and how to apply visit anarchiststudies.org and click on the grants application post on our main page. That's anarchiststudies.org. Anarchist-studies-dot-O-R-G. Applications close January 31, 2021. Spread the word and tell your friends. Okay, so if y'all could introduce yourself with I guess your name, your pronouns, and then any political or organizational affiliations that makes sense with what you're going to be talking about today. Cici 02:32 So my name is Cici. I do she/her pronouns, I also do they/them pronouns. I don't really have any organizational affiliations at this time. I am—I have some experience with radio in a like a certain area, but in other areas I'm still learning and I'm trying to get up to speed. I am a licensed radio operator which helps a bit. But obviously, like, you don't have to be licensed to do stuff with a radio. And that's I guess enough about me. Eepa 03:13 All right, [I didn't catch a lot of this except Eepa] and I use he/him pronouns. My affiliations, I'm with the Indigenous Anarchist Federation and I'm a part of the newly formed Javelina Network. And basically, I am fairly new to the whole communication world. But it's one of those things that I've become very passionate about building up people's knowledge that way in communities for mutual aid, you know, both in disasters and just for general preparedness. We have ways of communicating that don't rely on, you know, corporate infrastructure or government infrastructure. Margaret 04:02 Yeah, so I guess one of the first things that I want to ask you all, for people who are, like—so this will probably be in some ways a slightly more technical conversation than some of the—some of my shows, just because, at least, there's an awful lot of acronyms and weird technical stuff that comes along with learning about radios. And I think it's worth—I'm going to ask you all a lot about that stuff. But I guess I was wondering if you all could start with kind of like a pitch for why we should care about radios. Like, we all have cell phones. Shouldn't we just use cell phones? Like what are some of the advantages of understanding and having an experience with radio communication? Eepa 04:40 So one of the things that people should consider whenever they're using—whatever type of communications you're using on a daily basis, that could be using email through ProtonMail or using Signal or WhatsApp, or just using your regular cell phone service—these are things things that are controlled by somebody. So the infrastructure that makes them possible is controlled by either corporations, or they're controlled by corporations and regulated by the government. They're subject to warrants and data collection and they're subject to a lot of other, you know, less security-related, but more just infrastructure in general. You know, if, as we saw in hurricane Maria, when hurricanes come they knocked down cell phone towers and if you don't have cell phone towers, your cell phone just becomes a, you know, a box with whatever photos you have on, it doesn't become very useful for communications. And the same thing goes for emails, when you are logging on to your, you know, ProtonMail account which is, you know, a great service and everything—if those servers go down in Switzerland, then you're out of luck—that that means that communication no longer exists. If the United States government decides to block a certain app that—that could basically cut off your service and take away all of your context. So it's a very fragile thing that we have, you know, during normal circumstances cell phone services is great, it's convenient. And honestly, it should still probably be your primary means of communication because of its ease of use. But there's a lot to be said for having all of the infrastructure you need to communicate in your own hands without needing any external infrastructure, aside from a community of other people who are likewise equipped and trained to communicate with. Cici 06:42 I think that's an excellent answer. In addition to what Eepa said I would basically just add on, like, yeah, there's—it's hard with the infrastructure that people usually use—cell phone towers, servers, routers, or at least, you know, commercially available routers and phones and everything. People don't have—people in, like, their communities don't have a lot of control over it. One of the things that I'm actually—I need to do way more study into it, because it's rather technical. But if something were to happen and the internet were to go down, either unintentionally, because—or, you know, not because of a—because like it's natural—something natural happens like a hurricane. Or because the government has shut the internet down for the express purposes of, you know, preventing people from communicating. One of the things radio can do is it can actually mimic a internet, I should—I may say mimic but it's actually a true internet protocol. So you can actually get an internet running up in your community. Those are the kind of things that I think radio is great for. I would echo what Eepa said where it's not really a—in terms of people saying, "Well, I have a cell phone what's, you know, what is radio offer to me?" I'd actually say, yeah, I don't think that just being able to say, "Hey, I communicated with somebody in another spot." Like, that's not really the attraction necessarily for learning a bunch of radio things. I would also note for a lot of people who are just doing off-grid stuff, there's a lot of places where your cell phone just, there's just no signal, it's too far away from cell phone towers. You can still get out with a radio if something were to help. A lot of people are like, well, you know, I'm not gonna be setting up a another Wifi internet system. But, you know, if you're ever hiking or you're doing stuff that's just not close to a big city or whatever, it can still be useful if something happens, you get hurt, you're not out in the middle of nowhere with no cell phone signal needing extreme medical attention immediately. So I just like to point that kind of thing out where it's useful on an individual level, but it's also useful on a community level. Margaret 08:58 Yeah. Yeah. I mean— Eepa 09:00 I think that that's probably one of those—I think that's one of those misconceptions that people have about radio, just in a general sense, is they think that it's two people on walkie-talkies talking to each other. But there's a whole realm of radio use that includes, you know, sending messages, photographs, even videos utilizing radio that people are probably not aware of. Margaret 09:24 I only learned about that really recently when someone was talking about how you can take your Baofeng radio and—I think it was, like, get a photo from the international space station on your cell phone by having your, like, cell phone listen to what's coming out of your radio? Eepa 09:46 Yeah. Margaret 09:48 That was a good moment of like, "Oh, this is some scifi shit." And I'm like, "Oh, and I mean it's some like 1970s scifi shit." But it's—that's so fucking cool. Yeah, I mean, okay, so like, I'm rudely guessing that a lot of people who are listening, if they have much experience like, say, direct action stuff, they're probably their only real experience with radios might be walkie-talkies. Right? And so I was—I was wondering if there's like a way to, like—the thing that really intimidates me when I look at radios is that I look and then I'm, like, okay, there's high frequency, very high frequency, ultra high frequency. There's walkietalkies which use FRS. There's MURS. They're CB radios, there's GMRS radios, there's the Business Band, there's a HAM radio. There's AM/FM, SSB, contint CW, like, there's like all this shit, right? And so I guess I kind of wanted to like start and try and kind of break some of this down if you all can, like, maybe talk starting with like—maybe you'll have a better pedagogical sense of like where to start or something. But in my head, I would ask you first about maybe, like, Family Radio Service, the walkie-talkies, that people might be used to, like what they can be used for and kind of build out from there. Or if there's another way to introduce all of this that you all would like to use. Cici 11:18 I can't actually speak too much to the Family Radio Service. I'm glad you mentioned that there's a lot of different modes. What tends to happen is there's very few people that know all of that, or if they do they're a dime a dozen. At least from my experience talking to other radio people, they tend to focus in areas that they think are interesting, or areas that they think are useful, or whatever. So for instance, you mentioned Family Radio and you mentioned, I believe it's GR-GMRS, I actually have like no experience in those. I mentioned in the introduction that I'm licensed. What I meant by that, or I probably should have been more specific, is that I'm licensed as an amateur radio operator. If people have ever heard someone talk about HAM radio, that's basically what I'm talking about. HAM is just another way of saying an amateur radio app. I'm an amateur in the sense that I don't get money. I'm not like a radio station. I'm not commercially broadcasting, like, the radio you might listen to music or whatever. So that's all that means. Amateur doesn't necessarily mean you don't know a lot or that, you know, it just means I don't get paid. And that my license basically says I can't get paid to broadcast. So that's kind of my experience. So yeah, I don't know if Eepa would be able to talk about the Family Radio Service. Some people have heard CB radio. I believe that's—it's similar to amateur radio but it's it's still very different. I actually associated with truckers doing stuff in the, like, I know, that's kind of an old association, doing stuff in their cars. As far as modes, I know Margaret, you mentioned things like single sideband which is that SSB. That's a voice mode. You mentioned—I guess I should start with the—you mentioned high frequency, very high frequency, and ultra high frequency. Usually people will shorten that to the individual letter. So like very high frequency they'll just say VH, VHF. Those just basically are a shorthand way of talking about how far you can talk. So for instance, people that have Baofengs are often going to be using very high frequency or ultra high frequency. Very high frequency is usually going to be a line of sight, maybe a little bit further because radio waves can actually see a little further than, like, the way we see the horizon. But for instance, if you and a friend both had Baofengs and you lived in the same city, depending on your antenas, that a bunch of other technical stuff, you should be able to hear each other. A lot of times the type of radio also use a repeater. The repeater is basically something that will send the signal further—it's it's own equipment but it will send your signal further than if you just had it by yourself. So when people hear that I just want them to think, "Oh, that's just distance." My interest is in very high—or, excuse me, is in just high frequency, just HF. That tends to be very far distances. So like that's usually talking to people in other countries, or talking to people across, like, a country, like a big country like the United States, or the so-called the United States. I'm in the Midwest, I can use high frequency to talk to someone in California which is obviously not line of sight or, you know, horizon. So that's all that means. I don't—a lot of times HAM radio and radio in general uses these terms that make stuff sound really technical and really like scary, but it's actually just a—there's an easier way to understand it. So that has to just do with distance. That's all I'll say about that for now. I don't want to overload but uh... Eepa 15:01 Yeah, and so basically what I'll add to that is there's two basic things that somebody who's new to radio needs to do to understand what their radio is going to be used for. And so like Cici was talking about with the frequencies: Frequency is one of the two things that you really need to pay attention to when you're a beginner, is frequency and wattage. So wattage is just how much power is actually being emitted from your radio. So one of the ways that you can think about frequency—we'll start with frequency first—is it's basically wavelength. And so the shorter your wavelength, the smaller it is, the smaller the distance—or the frequency or sorry, the frequency. So ultra high frequency, very short distance. Very high frequency is going to be kind of a medium distance. And then high frequency is long distance. Now what the Family Radio Service radios that you're talking about, they broadcast on very high frequency. But what makes them not very good for communicating at distance is they have a low wattage, so they're legally not allowed to go above a certain wattage. And so that means that they can only communicate at like a very, very short distance. Basically, these radios were designed so that way parents and kids could have radios or, you know, a family convoying on a vacation—this is in the days before cellphones—could have communication with each other. And so they didn't need very high wattage, and they didn't want these radio frequencies to be basically blocking other radio traffic. So it's a low wattage, very high frequency and that means that it's going to be a very limited distance. So even with like ultra high frequency, if you have a low wattage, you get even less distance. What amateur radio opens up to you is higher wattage, and it opens up more frequencies. So that's the key thing there. Margaret 17:09 Okay, yeah, I took a bunch of notes about this right before. Right before we started I was trying to like map out all of this because I've been learning about this some for a while. And I was just trying to map all of this out. And what I came up with was basically like three types of, in the US, unlicensed types of radios, and then like two sort of types of licensed radios with HAM radio being kind of like the big—or amateur radio being like the big open one. And it was kind of interesting to me because I learned, like, for example, like I was reading about, like, what the hell is the difference between CB and FRS, and between walkie talkies and trucker radios as I always kind of saw it. And yeah, so I guess if CB is high frequency it needs—it can go further on lower wattage—or I don't know if it goes through a low wattage, but it can go—it bend—the the frequencies like bend around the horizon and hills and shit better. But apparently it takes like a much, much more of an antenna and it doesn't like going into buildings and shit very well as compared to like— Eepa 18:17 Yeah. Margaret 18:17 UHF, which is like much more—I don't know, in my head it's almost like piercing rather than, like, you know, it doesn't go very far but it like goes through things a little better or something? And doesn't need as much of an antenna. I don't know, that's what I—what I—so I guess—like, what I came up with as the things that you can use unlicensed are—well, I mean, you can theoretically use anything—well anyway—actually, I'm gonna ask you some about some of that stuff and a little bit, what you can get away with. But unlicensed, you can use FRS which are like the walkie talkies, you can use CB which has like a slightly higher wattage limit and is shortwave only but requires more of an antenna, and then something called MURS, M-U-R-S, Multi Use Radio Service, which is, like, a little bit better. And then, I think, in terms of licensed radio, I'm actually—I'm running this past youu so you can like tell me if I'm wrong. But also if I'm right then I'm just expressing everything that I learned to the audience. In terms of licensing, there is one type of license you can get without taking a test, you just give the US government 70 of your dollars. And it's General Mobile Radio Service, GMRS. And it's, like, still substantially more limited than amateur radio, right? But it allows more—I don't know, it's a little bit—it's nicer than than family radio service. It's nicer than a walkie-talkie. It's like a fancy walkie-talkie. And you don't have to take a test, versus amateur radio, which I guess you have to in order to—you have to pass these very intimidating tests in order to start using it, or in order to legally start using it. And I guess—I dunno, does that match up with with—does that seem correct? This is just like what I put together right for the show. Eepa 20:08 Yeah, so if people wanted to just get on the radio, like, tonight, if you could just go down to the store and pick something up and get on the radio. Basically, what you outlined is spot on, you know, Family Radio Service is probably the weakest kind of radio that you can get. And, again, if you're within, you know, eyesight of the person you're talking to those kind of radios will work for you. CB radios are larger, typically they're mounted in like a vehicle. So they are a little bit less easy to keep on your person but they do carry further. So this is what nowadays you tend to see, like, off -oaders and other things like that use whenever they're going out in the desert and off-roading. Again, you have limited channels on both of those. So you have, like, you know, theoretically there's a bunch of channels in there, sub-channels, but it's very limited. So if you're in a city or something, you could find very easily that all of those channels are occupied and being used by people. And so that could just make things really confusing and really challenging. CB radios are kind of known as, like, the wild west of like the radio world, because you can say and do anything on that radio channel without any kind of punishment. So it's full of very not great things. And, again, it's a very busy radio channel because it's used by a lot of unlicensed people to communicate. Now, when you're talking about basic commercial radio, which is that license you're talking about for those handheld, the GMRS, that is going to be something that usually requires that you show you are a business. So you need to have an LLC, a nonprofit, some kind of designator, some kind of, like, you know, tax ID or whatever, to tell the FCC that yes, I'm a business. They will assign you a little tiny frequency of the spectrum that none of the other businesses in your area have and then you're stuck with it. So that means that you might have a few channels on your radio, but that's all that's going to be available to you to legally use. And you're having to pay money on a regular basis to keep that license. Margaret 22:23 Okay. Eepa 22:24 The one upside to that is you do get to use a slightly more powerful radio that—I mean, they are designed for, you know, like, mines and construction sites and factories, that's typically where these kind of radios are used. So they are more powerful and they also have the legal ability to be encrypted. So you can actually get encrypted radios, which is not legal on any other radio service. The only way you can do that is through the GMRS. But you have to go through a major company to get your encryption service which means if somebody wants to de-encrypt your radio, all they have to do is get in contact with the company and find out what your encryption keys are and then they're in. So this is also something that you see a lot of law enforcement that had switched to is this style of radio, just a modified one that are, you know, higher power and use repeaters. So these are all legal non-testing options, but they're purposefully designed to limit you. They're designed to basically reduce your capacity to communicate beyond line of sight in a way that, I mean, the amateur radio community would say the reason why is because, you know, you can't have people running rampant on the on the air, there needs to be, you know, law and order on the air. So that's part of the reason why the amateur bands are more thoroughly regulated, is to basically make sure that there's a system of accountability to the government. Margaret 24:00 Okay. Cici 24:04 Actually, I'm really glad that Eepa shared tha. I have—my information outside of HAM radio is very limited so I actually learned a lot listening to that. The only different thing I would like to say is there's actually a lot of changes coming with the—not with the testing, but the FCC—this is extremely recent. Like, I think the actual report from the FCC is, like, was dated like December 28—of like a few days ago, like last month, basically, it'sless than a month old. But they did actually say they're going to start charging people for HAM radio licenses. This is extreme because it used to—like, as of right now it's completely free. You have to take a test, but you don't have to pay any money. Sometimes if you look online you'll see people saying they want $15. That doesn't actually go to the FCC, that goes to the people providing the test itself. Those people are actually just HAM radio operators. It's, one of the interesting things is that the FCC actually has a very decentralized, like, they basically let HAM radio operators test each other and that's—they just send the paperwork to the FCC to get your callsign. So if anyone's at home thinking, "Oh, I was thinking about getting licensed and I think I'm ready." If you don't want to pay the FCC $35, like, I would, I would say, like, do what now. Along with that, they actually cut the GMRS license to $35 as well, it used to be $70. So they actually made getting a GMRS license and getting a HAM radio license the same price. HAM radio—people on ham radio, very upset, like, they—one of the big things is, oh, we need to attract people to HAM radio. So, like, the community in general is not happy about this change. It hasn't taken effect yet. The report doesn't actually say exactly when it's supposed to take effect, like, it's supposed to take effect the month after the report, but then it has to go through a bunch of bureaucracy. If I had to guess I'd say they're probably going to try to do it sometime around February/March. But it might be sooner, it might be more after that. As far as my experience, I—that's correct, you do have to take a test to get into HAM radio. Even in HAM radio, the first—there's three levels. Basically you have to pass each test to get to the next level. So like you can't just, like—so the levels, the first one you have is technician—technician level. The second one's a general level, that's actually where I'm at. I have a general level license. And then the highest one is called amateur extra, a lot of people just say "extra." That's—extras basically have the most privileges on the HAM radio. Margaret 26:36 They all sound inverted. Like, if I was to come up with the hierarchy, I would be like amateur, general, technician. Cici 26:44 Yeah no, they're like actually, like, holdovers from older—like there used to be advanced, there used to be a novice and, like, they've changed—the FCC is the one that's in charge of making these levels. And it's like, it's changed a lot. It used to be kind of like five or like three and a half kind of, and now it's basically just the three. Sometimes you'll run into a really old HAM who's like, "I haven't advanced license," and it's, like, what the hell is that? But it's basically like an old, depreciated license that they don't issue anymore. So yeah, I'm at the middle level. You can't just jump straight to, like, one of the levels. So like, if you're like, "I think I know enough to get an extra license," you can't just go and say, "Give me the extra test, I'll get an extra license." But you can take them all in one sitting. So like, if you're like, "I'm pretty sure I could do the extra," they'll give you a technician test. If you pass it, they'll give you a general test. If you pass it, they'll give you an extra test. The extra test has more questions, it's—I'm actually studying for it right now. It's very technical. It's kind of like what Eepa was referring to. There's kind of a culture of HAM radio. And it's, there's this idea that you basically have to earn your privileges on the bands by knowing what you're doing and all this type of basically hierarchy type of ideas. But I mean, it is helpful to know some of the things that are in the test. I've actually learned a lot, just from having to study for the technician or the general test even though I've forgotten some of it. The licenses are good for 10 years. So you do have to actually renew them every 10 years. So yeah, after a few years I'll have to renew mine, and pay them this stupid fee that didn't exist when I first got it. But yeah, also something I want to put out is if you—you only need a license if you want to transmit. By what I mean by that is if you want to send a signal out. That's important if you're, like, if you're in an emergency situation, you're probably going to want to send a signal out. If you're trying to communicate with people that are not near you, you want to send a signal out. But if you just want to listen you actually don't need a license, you can actually go grab a radio tonight, tune your radio to HAM radio bands and just listen all day long, as long as you don't transmit. And technically you're not supposed to interfere. So you can't, like, jam other people's signals. But, like, if you're not transmitting, you can listen, like whatever. Like there's no license to listen. So that's something interesting I want people to know: if you just want to listen to stuff, you don't actually need a license. Margaret 29:05 What do they talk about around you? Because around me, like, I got a scanner and, you know, it doesn't transmit any way, right? And I set it to listen to HAM radio channels, and I mostly heard like a 70-year-old talking to maybe a 15-year-old about like how to cook hot dogs and how to get trucks unstuck in mud, and then started explaining a story about snakes that I found very improbable. And that was about the most interesting thing that's happened, like, all of the many hours I've, like, just had the scanner on in the background. I don't know. I'm curious what you all have heard people talking about on these things. Cici 29:45 So for me, I actually don't do that much listening. Going back to kind of like different areas of different—I guess that's something called "rag chewing." In the HAM radio world that's if you hear someone say, "Oh, you're rag chewing," that's basically you're getting on the radio, you're just listening to other people. A lot of times people will make—I don't want to say a game, game probably sounds—is the right—is the wrong—but people will actually do this as a contest. Like, sometimes people will try to contact as many people as you can in a certain amount of time. You've heard of people called "contesting," that's what they mean. You'll hear some people "de-exing," this is better if you have that—so if you're in the high frequency, you try to get people as far away from you as you can. A lot of that, actually, you don't say much. Because you want to get as many contacts, you'll actually have this very non-conversation. It's basically like your call sign, like, some necessary information and that's it. Some people actually automate it. It's interesting. So you don't actually say a lot when you're doing that. However, I know we mentioned ultra high frequency, the UHV—or excuse me UHF, I'm sorry—UHF earlier, and somebody might be thinking, "Why would I want to even talk"—like they're very short, like, distances. They can penetrate into buildings which is helpful. So someone's like, "Why would I want to do that? If somebody right there, like, what's the point?" I mentioned earlier, one of the things you can do is you can create your own WiFi networks. Those actually operate. And those vary—or excuse me, not very, but ultra high frequency. 13 centimeters is about where that happens if people are able to look at a band plan and, like, see what links go where. If you were trying to set up your own—like, even like the commercial WiFi networks operate in that same thing. That's why your router is generally limited to your house and just outside your house and why you can't pick up a router like a mile away. So that's kind of like—I know, this is getting away from the question of what do people talk about around you. Margaret 31:50 Oh, no, no. Go on. This is a better tangent. Cici 31:55 It's like you don't have to necessarily even if you—there's a lot of people that have radios and they hardly ever listen, they don't ever rag chew. One of the things I'm trying to learn is it's basically Morse code. I don't know why I said basically, it is Morse code. It's called—for technical reasons it's called "continuous wave" in HAM radio. So if you hear people saying CW, that's Morse code. One of the attractive things in Morse code—because someone's like, "Well, why would you want to do that, that seems way more, way more like technical and you have to learn a whole thing and then"—it gets out when nothing else can. When I say that is a radio signals take up a certain amount of space, basically, in the bigger—the more space it takes up—bandwidth is how, I guess, the technical word for that. But the more bandwidth it is, the harder it can be to get that signal out. This is particularly pression, as Eepa was saying, a lot of times you're limited in how many watts you can put out. So if you're running something that's not a lot of watts—especially you've got like maybe an antenna that you've made or an antenna that's not extremely efficient—if you can do something like Morse code, it might get out, when if you were trying to do a voice code wouldn't get out. Now you have trade-offs with that, like, you know, you have to, you have to have equipment that will use it, you'll have to have somebody on the receiving end that can listen to it. But actually a lot of people use automatic—something, I forget what it's called. But it's basically something where when it comes up to your computer, or your radio, depending on if your radio is nice enough, will just automatically translate the Morse code for you. So you don't necessarily have to know it. In the HAM culture it's kind of like, well, that's cheating, you know, like you're supposed to like actually learn it and whatever. But if you're using it as an emergency thing, for instance, it can be really important. Another thing is if you don't really want to listen to what people around, you have to talk about, like I don't want to care—I don't care how people make hot dogs. The jokes is actually that if you are actually—a lot of it's just what gear do you have, what radio do you have? And like, "Oh, how nice is your radio?" And it's just, like, this is not information I need. One of the things, you can actually send out images? Which seems kind of like, "Well, I've got a computer, why do I care that I can send out images and like actually receive them?" This can be key if you're in a place where the government's actually shut down on purpose, you know, your your internet or your cell phone stuff, because they're doing things that they don't want people to know. For instance, I don't actually, I don't know if it's still happening. But I remember in the northern region of India, there was a blackout there a year or so ago. The Indian government was doing just, we don't really know because nothing could get out. But if you had a radio that could send out—there's fast scan and slow scan—TV is what it's called. But if you could send out an image without the government knowing, you could potentially let people know what's going on and in a situation where it's otherwise impossible to get communication out. So I mean, that's something that I—basically my answer to the question, "What do people talking around me?" is, "I don't really know." I'm not listening to people around me so much and I'm not a I'm not rag chewing, basically. But that's just to give people examples of what you can do if you're like, well, I'm really antisocial, I don't want to talk to anybody around me about just random stuff. So... Eepa 35:14 Yeah, for like around me, one of the things that—I actually do listen. I'm actually still in the process of getting licensed. The tests are themselves are, you know, intimidating and challenging but you can develop a lot of interesting insights, basically, by listening. And, I mean, around where we're at it's simple stuff, like, they have little game shows where you can, like, call in answers to trivia questions. And they have, like, little social meet and greets. They've got like a technical night where if you're having a problem with your radio, you can call in and they'll help you troubleshoot what's going on with it. And this is all done via repeaters, which means you could use a UHF or VHF, you know, like a Baofeng basically, to talk to somebody in Ohio. Now, again, these repeaters are run by local radio clubs which means, you know, you don't control the infrastructure, which means if those repeaters were to go down or, you know, the government was to take them over or something like that, you could lose access. And that's one of the reasons that I'm very interested in HF because HF is a self-contained communication system where you're able to do everything on your own. The IF's in contact with some of the people—some of the anarchists in Ethiopia. And during the recent civil war in Tigray that was one of the issues that they were running into and something that they had wished that they had basically prepared was people who could actually send out images and send out news reports on the radio from within Tigray because a lot of the news was only coming from the Ethiopian state forces. And there were, you know, reports and rumors of massacres and other things like that. But there were no images, there was nothing really to substantiate what was happening. And so just touching on that, the ability to send images and things like that is really nice. But just when it comes to listening, I think that's actually something really critical to think about when you're looking at radio from a prepper kind of standpoint, from a—the idea that you are trying to get into communications because you want to be a part of community awareness. The primary thing that you will be using radio for in a situation where communications are shut down through normal means, and that could mean just a grid down, you know, Hurricane knocked out the power grid or something like that. Or it could be something more sinister where, you know, the government is purposefully denying people access to communication. The primary thing you're gonna be doing on radio is listening, is intelligence gathering. It's figuring out what all the other HAMs that are on the radio are talking about, what are they seeing, you know. Are they seeing, you know—are there rumors of, you know, troop movements to the north? Are there rumors, that there's a food shortage in the town that's north to you or that, you know, they're sick people really concentrated in a certain area? That intelligence gathering is something that you can do with really cheap equipment. You can—one of the things that we recommend on our site is to get a shortwave, you know, receiver or something that can listen to all of these different bands. And just use that as a tool in your community to get people the ability to listen and learn because information is absolutely critical for survival, it's the central thing you can have in a situation where stability has crumbled, is to have information awareness on the ground. So listening, even when you're, you know, not licensed, can do that. It also can kind of give you an idea of what your local HAM community is like. Because one of the things that you will very, very rapidly learn, if you're a minority and you're involved in HAM, is that the community is blazingly white. And sometimes they can be fairly reactionary. And you can actually start to take notes of people that are actually kind of cool on the radio and people that you never want to talk to you again, just based off their call signs because they're required to give those. And that can help you decide in the future how reliable somebody information might be, or what kind of perspectives they might be providing in a disaster situation. So that kind of, like, finite information gathering is an important skill to develop even before you consider transmitting, you know, that's something you can work on right now. Margaret 39:59 Yeah, that makes sense. Cici 40:00 I'm actually really glad he mentioned that. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, Margaret, I'm sorry, Margaret 40:04 No, go ahead. Cici 40:05 I was just gonna say like, I—I'm gonna preface this just legally by saying, don't ever do anything illegal on the radio. But one of the things that I don't think people necessarily realize is that the FCC isn't—they don't have the manpower to sit and listen to like every single band. So like, generally, if you're doing something say, untoward, or you're not necessarily licensed, it's not the FCC that's going to like find out. It's the other HAMs. HAM radio is largely kind of self-disciplined. It's self—like, for instance, we do our own testing. Like, it's not like if you do—if you do something someone's—the band hammer is gonna come down. It's basically if you piss off enough HAMs or if they know, they'll— they're the ones who's going to report it. Eepa had mentioned earlier in our conversation that in HAM radio you can't send encrypted communication. However, you could send—and there's kind of a formality of how you send information via HAM radio—but for instance, you could say what they would expect you to say if you were doing a regular HAM conversation and it could mean not what they would necessarily expect it to mean. So for instance, one of the things on—I don't know a lot about voice because I actually am trying to focus more and Morse code, but one of the things that you're supposed to do on Morse code to call a another radio is CQ, CQ CQ. And then someone will be like is, you know, are you looking for someone? You can use those codes to mean for your intended audience whatever you want them to mean. So it's not encrypted. But it's also something where the other HAM radio, if someone happens to be listening, has a HAM radio, they won't necessarily know what's going on. Again, you should never do anything illegal on the radio. I just want to let people know that it's not like there's a radio police that sits and actively listens, like, it's really just other HAMs that are gonna report you. Also, that's something to know. If you note that you're in kind of a, you know, maybe you live in a really remote area and there's just not a lot of other HAMs, you're listening on the air, and they're just not a lot of other people, you don't hear a lot of other people. That also might mean there's not really a lot of people listening, which means there's not a lot of people that could report you to the FCC. So that's something to keep in mind as well. If people were, you know—also something to note that even in a licensed situation, for something that's considered an emergency, and this is actually one part of the test, you can break HAM radio protocol and laws in the case of emergency. And that's actually something that's acknowledged. So like, if something were happening where it's like, this person needs immediate attention, you're not expected to follow all the—like, you can get on the air and be like, "I'm not licensed, but I need help," and most HAMs are gonna not, you know, they're not going to get on you. Like, that's allowed. So that's also something I want people to know, like, if you just want to radio for emergencies technically you should be licensed and it's good, because you'll have experience and you'll know what you're doing, but if it's something like this is like four death, or this is extreme, other HAMs aren't gonna report you. Like, people are generally, you know, and also that's allowed. So even if they did report you other HAMs would be like, well, that's allowed in the rule. So something I just wanted people to know. Margaret 43:44 Yeah, that actually helps. Eepa 43:45 So if you break your leg out in the woods, go ahead and get on your Baofeng and start honking. Margaret 43:51 So I feel like at this point, I should probably tell the audience what a Baofeng is. Which is, as far as I understand—because that's actually, that's how Baofengs were introduced to me, right is like, "Oh, yeah, I got a Baofeng." Like, "Oh yeah, there's radios over there, they're Baofengs." And like, everyone like talks about it, like, "Whoa, like, this is the fucking coolest thing ever," right? And it's just a really cheap radio that can do a lot of things. And it can do a lot of things that are legal like transmit at low wattage on FRS. And it can do a lot of things that would only be illegal if you were licensed. But it's just kind of like, what, a $20 or $30 radio you can buy on the internet and you can like swap it out with a nicer antenna? And it's just kind of like—it's become, like, kind of like a thing in this sort of like tactical and prepper and whatever worlds is like Baofengs is, like, the thing. But actually what you were talking about, about how you can use it in emergencies. That's kind of how I've always seen, like, I have a Baofeng, right? I don't really know how to use it. I've pretty much just used it to listen to things. But I'm like, okay, I could theoretically transmitted an emergency if I needed to. And, you know, for a $20 thing that can transmit in an emergency, that's cool. It's also cool that it's a tool that, like, isn't limited, like, I hate when I buy something and it's like, this is locked down to make sure that you can't do the things it's supposed to do. Just the things that you're allowed to do. You know? Eepa 45:23 Yeah. Margaret 45:23 I hate that kind of shit, I—there's a, just, I don't know, whatever. I'm clearly an anarchist, I—there's—I don't really have to defend this position very hard. Eepa 45:36 Yeah, and so like, those Baofengs are basically like, I mean, the the way that you can think about it is, like, your first, you know, foray into radio if you are, like, just—what I generally recommend Baofengs for is if you're actually interested in doing like, computer stuff with it, if you're interested in doing programming, they can be really fun to play with. Also, if you're interested in a radio that the cops can confiscate and you're not going to miss it because it's not that much of an investment, that's another really good reason to get a Baofeng. But if you're a beginner and you're serious about getting into radio, I do think that there are better options for just ease of use, because Baofengs can be very difficult to program, sometimes, they can be very finicky to use all of the functions of it. And so something like, you know, an Alinco, or a Yaesu, you know, these types of like, you know, Japanese radios can be a little bit more easy to use and they're going to be much more durable, you know, as far as like weather proofing and things like that. But again, that's something you have to weigh the pros and the cons of, you know, is this something that's gonna be confiscated at a protest, I probably don't want to spend a lot of money on it. Whereas if you're something where this isn't my go bag, I need something that's going to survive no matter what, then you might want to invest more money in something that's going to be easy to use and is going to be durable. So I mean, yeah, the Baofeng s ubiquitous, because it is cheap and there are better options that are still affordable. Margaret 47:20 I feel like the Baofeng is like such a perfect way to introduce someone to help goddamn convoluted radio looks, like, you know? Eepa 47:30 It can't—that's one of the issues with it is if you were—if I was to hand you a Yaesu. Like if I was to give you just like a Yaesu FT4X you would be able to program that without plugging in into a computer. It's much easier to use. You can just run to the menu, everything's right there. It's not convoluted and complex. And I think that's one of the issues with the Baofeng is it kind of—if you're not used to radio it can be very, very intimidating if you see that as your first introduction to radio. At least that's been my experience. I do have Baofengs, I was that typical person where I went out and I, first thing I got was, you know, a four-pack of Baofengs that I split amongst some of my comrades. And we were, you know, learning how to use them. But it was much more challenging. And the first time I used a radio with a nice, smooth, easy operation interface, you know, a nice, easy menu system. It really—it made it a lot less intimidating. Margaret 48:35 Now you sold me. I mean, yeah, like, I basically look at my Baofeng and I'm like, I'm an idiot. And I'm like, I know how to program a computer to some degree, like, I've been doing technical shit for very long time. And I just look at it, and I'm like, I don't have enough time to dedicate in my life. Actually, this ties back to something I don't remember—I think it was Cici who was saying it but I'm not sure—earlier about how like, you know, Cici's like well, I actually very involved in this community, right, but then you're like, but I only know about the stuff that I'm interested in. I don't necessarily have to know everything about everything. And that is one of the things that's so hard about radio is when you look at it from the outside, it's just a string of letters that you're supposed to know how to make sense of. I mean, it honestly reminds me of like when you get into guns or something when everyone's like, "Oh, yeah, well if you don't have this thing go attached to this thing and the other thing and then this thing, then you're just gonna die." Well I don't wanna die. Cici 49:32 I mean it's actually—yeah, I'd say with guns it's a good analogy. Like, there's very few gun people who, like, their experienced with revolvers, and they're experienced with like the latest pistols, and they're experienced with like lever guns, and their experienced with black powder, and their experienced with like—yeah, like, if people are—I don't know if listeners, if your listeners would have a good sense of like how guns are. I know you've done some episodes on firearms, but generally people tend to know more about certain aspects of firearms and they do other aspects, even though—even people that have a broad knowledge will know more about stuff than others, like black powder is very specific. A lot of people don't—who know a lot about guns, still don't know a lot about black powder, or vice versa. In the same way radio is kind of like that. There's very few. And I mean, like, I haven't met anybody who's, like, I know everything about every aspect of radio. That's, like, a crazy person. Like, or I should say, a person who's like, you know, they might be an engineer or something or that's their job. Eepa 50:33 Yeah, yeah. Cici 50:34 So for most people, like, I actually don't do too much what I would call local radio stuff and be—that'd be the very high frequency and ultra high frequency. I am interested in mesh networks, which would be the setting up those WiFi networks, but I haven't actually done a lot with it. What I'm interested in, the stuff is usually called high frequency, it's more long-distance, it's very different from the ultra high frequency. So I'm still learning a lot about setting up a mesh network and how to do a decentralized WiFi. I'm still learning a lot about that. What I guess my interests lie more in something called, I mentioned Morse code over there. There's another aspect of radio called QRP. So yeah, QRP is just a fancy way of saying low power. Generally, when people talk about radio they're gonna be talking about wattages. So we've been talking a lot about Baofengs and I know Eva mentioned the Alinko radios, Yaesu radios, these are generally going to be handy talkies. They looknkind of like what people might think a walkie-talkie would look like. The type of radios that would be a base station, they'll look very different. They look kind of like a—basically a box. It's a real, if it's a nice space station, that might be a really big box. Generally those are going to be at 100 watts or more, but those are also going to be extremely expensive. They're going to also generally require kind of semi-complex antenna setups, a lot of room to set up some type of base station like that. The stuff that I'm interested in for low power, the difference is that it's much cheaper. And a lot of people look at radio and they're like, I don't have an extra $1,000 to just drop on like a nice radio, I don't have an extra—especially if you want to do long distance stuff. That was kind of my interest. That's actually why I have a general license. If you get a technician license, it actually kind of limits you to very high frequency and ultra high frequency. You can do some stuff on the longer distance, but it's very limited. So yeah, you to even do stuff with long distance in a general sense, you have to get a general license, but a QRP is a way that you can not spend a lot of money—or at least spend less money, it still might be a lot of money, relatively speaking. But um. What'd you say? Margaret 52:58 And QRP means low powered, right? Cici 53:01 Yeah, low power. For Morse code, that's five watts or less. For voice modes like single sideband, that would be 10 watts or less. Actually, a lot of HAM radios kind of poopoo it because they're like, why would you use, you know—it's just, it can be difficult because you're using such little power, but you get a lot of benefits with it. A lot of benefits is you can use a radio that doesn't—or you can use an antenna that doesn't take up a lot of space. If you live in an apartment, that's huge. If you live in a place where, you know, like, you don't—you're not supposed to set up outside antennas or something, that's huge. I already mentioned that it's very cheap, or cheaper, I shouldn't say very cheap. But it's cheaper than doing other types of radios that use much higher power. Also, one of the big things is that you can make your own radios. We were talking about earlier how one of the benefits of radio was that it's decentralized, like, you're not about to go make your own smartphone. Margaret 53:55 Mm hmm. Cici 53:56 At least I can't. I don't know anyone who can. But you could make your own radio. And you can make your own antenna. In fact, a lot of HAMs encourage people to make their own antennas because it's—antennas are actually kind of expensive to go buy. It's actually cheaper to make them. So like a lot of HAMs will just learn how to make antennas out of, like, nothing. Like a lot of people make them on a tape measure and stuff, like it's very—if you're kind of that person where it's like I want to experiment and I want to kind of just make stuff with found materials or stuff that's, like, I have already at my house. Like, that's a huge benefit. Also, we didn't mention this earlier, but RF safety kind of is a related to the amount of—it's related to a lot of stuff, but it can be related to the amount of watts you're putting out. Margaret 54:39 What is RF? Cici 54:41 Oh, sorry, RF is radio frequency. It's just—it's the type of energy we're using for radio. Margaret 54:47 So what is—how does it tie in to safety? Sorry, I'm just like... Cici 54:52 Oh, it's okay. So if you're using something like 100 watts or more and you're transmitting. Like, for instance, you should never touch an antenna at that many watts that's transmitting. You're gonna get an RF burn. It's basically something that, like, it can get kind of complicated. But—and there's—I don't want to like scare people or anything, like, it's not—I'm not trying to be like, "Oh, we didn't talk about safety." But the lower wattage you use the less you have to worry about that, basically, especially if you have an indoor antenna or something. Like, if you have an indoor antenna, you really want to keep your RF, like, levels lower so you don't—part of it is actually practical, like, we haven't talked a lot about interference. But if you have a really, really high, like, wattage, and today—it can cause interference. And it can be something where your neighbors are trying to like use their electronics, and they hear all sorts of weird stuff, they hear all sorts of clicks and whatever. That's because you're using like a really high power radio. So, like, your neighbors just might get mad and be like, "You're, we see this antenna outside your house, and it's doing this thing and blah, blah, blah." So using a less power, it can be—it can cause less interference. But also it will just cause less RF like fields, which means that it's safer to operate inside. And someone might, like, might be thinking, "Well, why would I want to operate inside? If I can operate outside, shouldn't I?" Well, it depends. Are you doing something where you don't necessarily want people to know you're operating. A big antennas, like, if you have a huge antenna outside your house, or even just kind of a moderate one but something that's obviously an antenna and not a TV antenna, it'll be like, well, that person's a radio operator. Not everybody wants that immediately known if they were to walk by their house. I'll just say that. It's something that, if you're using QRP, it's much easier for you to not cause interference, to operate from completely inside, and to be able to make your own equipment. Margaret 56:51 It's really cool honestly. Like, talking to you makes me want to learn how to build radios. Eepa 56:58 I mean, it's like, there's some benefits to, like, QRP, like low power HF radios for prepping especially because they're mobile. You can literally put one of these—you can put a full QRP setup—a low power radio, power source, an antenna, and like an antenna tuner—in your purse. You could put it in a very small satchel and be able to talk to somebody states away. So these can be really compact and really mobile solutions that still give you access to autonomous email, like, still give you access to, you know, listening to all of these different bands, transmitting all these different bands. So from a preparedness perspective, that is a huge benefit. The low wattage basically allows you to use less power from your battery so you can use a very small solar panel that folds up and into your backpack to recharge your battery when you need. And so that just has tremendous benefits for mobility. And one of the key things to think about from a, maybe, a situation where you have any type of adversary. So that could be, you know, a lot of white supremacists militia types have created radio nets and have radio training. They're—they've been working on preparing this for years, they have pre-designated frequencies and nets, they've got all these different things set up. And one of the things that they can do is they can track you. So it's extremely easy to triangulate and locate the source of a transmission. So if you are needing to transmit something that is sensitive or that will identify you, as politically opposed to people that might be interested in finding you, you're going to want to transmit from locations away from your place of residence and also in a way that doesn't, you know, create a big circle on the map around your house. You're going to want to choose random locations to transmit from, and you're going to want to use, you know—low power helps with that a little bit as well. You can reach the people you need to without giving away your position too much. But as soon as you click the transmission button, you're opening up the world to find out exactly where you're at. So you can transmit what you need to, pack up, and get out of there if you need to. That's the nice thing about those low power rigs. So that's something to really think about when you're getting into radio. And, yeah, you can build your own, you can build your own antenna. There's some awesome antennas that you can literally just launch up into a tree with a slingshot and it's—all it is is one giant long strand of speaker cable, speaker wire. That's it, that's an antenna. Nothing more is needed. You just need a little antenna tuner to hook up to it and your radio and you're good to go. So those kinds of things are—they open up the whole world to you on a very, very—on a lower budget than you would be if you had a base station. One of the things that we talked about with the article that we released the Javelina Network is that handheld radios and QRP HF radios are very good for transmitting on the go and that was our main focus on that. You can do base stations which is like based out of your apartment, based out of your co-op or your bookstore or whatever you want to do. But again, that's a known location, that's a fixed location, that means that you have to be much more careful about what you're transmitting. And if you're transmitting outside of legal areas, the amateur radio committee has a whole community of amateur snitches that their whole thing—they get their jollies by tagging people on not having licenses and stuff. So it can happen. You just got to be careful about what you do. Margaret 1:00:53 That's actually one of the questions that I—when I asked around basically being like what should I ask these people? One of the questions that came up a couple times was how real is—I think—it was presented to me that's called fox hunting? Like, the hobby of tracking down on licensed operators. What a great culture, what a wonderful culture where their whole thing is just snitching on people. But so, yeah, my question was, like, how real is that? Like, how much do people—especially like, let's say if you're not—I mean obviously if you're doing something where people are—where the people around you are politically opposed to you, and opposed to what you're saying, obviously that will increase the odds. But if you're just, like, coordinating some random bullshit like picking up lumber or something like that, how much do you act—do people—how real is this? How much do people actually get kind of tracked down? Eepa 1:01:52 So from my experience, basically, fox hunting—I'm sorry, I've got a ICE helicopter flying over me right now. The—as far as fox hunting goes, if you go to any type of, like, HAM Fest or HAM convention or HAM con or, you know, whatever you want to go to, they will all have fox hunting competitions. This is something that, you know, people really enjoy doing is just like, you know, hunting down signals. Now, what this is typically used for is not going to be tracking down the guy who's saying, "Hey, I got lumber," or, you know, the person who's like, "Hey, you know, I need to pick up a quart of oil from you," or something like that, or the gal that's, you know, "I've got eggs for sale," or something like that, you know. It's not typically going to be stuff like that. It's usually like sources of interference that people are going to be tracking down. So if you're causing a lot of interferenc, and it's pissing people off, then they will fox hunt you down, and they'll find out what's going on. So if you have a jammer or something like that, which are illegal, and you operate that jammer and it makes people mad—if you operate it for long enough, people will find it and they will make sure that that is put to the stop. And so you have to be careful if you do utilize jammers and things like that, that you're not using them when you don't need to. So fox hunting in, like, day to day circumstances is a little bit less of a threat. If you know kind of what radio people sound like—and, again, do this at your own risk. This is something, again, that, you know, is illegal. But if you had like a fake callsign and you just follow the standard protocols of calls, you could basically get away with it as long as you didn't accidentally have some callsign that somebody there knew as being somebody else. So generally it's not going to be an issue if you're just talking between two people, you select a frequency, you listen to it, nobody's on that frequency, nobody's been on that frequency for a long time, and you just use it to call each other to coordinate something. Just kind of sound like you belong and you'll be okay. As soon as you get into an adversarial situation, that's when you do have police operating like stingers and other devices that will track down cell phone data, they'll track down radio data, everything—any kind of frequency that's being emitted, those things will be able to track down the source of so just be very aware of when and how you're transmitting, and be safe about it. Cici 1:04:29 Absolutely. And I would actually add to what Eepa says: If you're going to use a call sign, first you want to absolutely know who—you know, if you're licensed—So, okay, so for people who are like what the hell is call sign? Margaret 1:04:43 Yeah I was about to ask. Cici 1:04:46 For HAM radio, what—basically what happens is you take this test. Assuming you pass they'll—what the license actually—the most important thing that I guess the license gives you is a call sign. I actually have a call sign. I'm not going to say it. The reason I'm not going to say it is because for anybody that says a call sign, it's instantly look up-able. When you take the test you have to give like an address, it's supposed to be your home address, of where you live. And basically that data is publicly available. So like, if I were to say my call sign right now, anybody listening to this podcast could go look it up online and find out exactly who I am—or at least, I shouldn't say exactly who I am. They could find out the name that I gave to the FCC, which is my real name. They could find out the address I have listed. You're supposed to updat it, like, you know, every time you move or whatever. A lot of people don't necessarily but like if they find out, like, that can become an issue. So for instance, let's say you just found a call sign. Nobody's using it. Cool. Somebody happens to look it up—and they might actually do this innocuously, a lot of people want these—they're called QSL cards. It's basically a little card that say, "Hey, I contacted you." And it's like a postcard that 's like, oh, cool. So they might just look it up just thinking, "Hey, I contacted you, I want a little postcard," and see that,

Episode Notes The guest, Philip, has compiled this list of further resources and encourages people to check out look into them because there are a lot of good lessons about how counterinsurgency has operated historically that can help us resist today.   Know Your Rights trainings are available from the CLDC and ACLU [including the Live Like the World is Dying episode on the subject]   For the history of police and state repression "Our Enemies in Blue": "Secret Police, Red Squads, and the Strategy of Permanent Repression" "Life During Wartime" - Kristian Williams, Lara Messersmith-Glavin, William Munger "Witness to Betrayal / Profiles of Provocateurs" - Kristian Williams "Basic Politics of Movement Security" - J Sakai "Policing Indigenous Movements" - Andrew Crosby & Jeffery Monaghan good for Canadian context Intercept article on TigerSwan surveillance of Standing Rock: "New State Repression" Ken Lawrence "War at Home: Covert Action Against US Activists and What We Can Do About It"- Brian Glick Government resources on counterintelligence Church Committee Report (federal committee on FBI COINTELPRO ops) "Low Intensity Operations: Subversion, Insurgency, Peace-Keeping" Frank Kitson The host, Margaret Killjoy, can be found on twitter @magpiekilljoy, instagram @margaretkilljoy, and on Patreon at patreon.com/margaretkilljoy. Transcript: Margaret 00:14 Hello, and welcome to Live Like the World is Dying, your podcast for what feels like the end times. I'm your host, Margaret Killjoy, and I use she or they pronouns. This week I'm talking with Philip who, among many other things, teaches security culture trainings. And I first was introduced to Philip's work on it when we had a conversation about the complexities of security culture. Security culture—we'll go over in this episode—is basically the idea of creating a culture of security, a culture of a way—creating a culture by which people don't get caught as much for the types of things that they may choose to want to do in order to advance, you know, their desires. It's for activists and revolutionaries and shit to not get fucking caught. It has lot of good tools around how to do that kind of culturally. This podcast is a proud member of the Channel Zero Network of anarchist podcasts. And—but for this week, and next week, I'm going to do it a little bit differently, and instead of running a jingle for another show on the network, I'm just gonna tell you about another show on the network because I don't think they have a jingle yet. And basically say that the Maroon Cast is now a member of the Channel Zero Network of anarchist podcasts and I'm very excited about that. And you all should go check it out. Also, the Institute for Anarchist Studies is an organization that gives grants to people who—well, I'm just about to play a fucking jingle for it. So I'll just fuckin play the jingle for it—da daaaa! Jingle 01:40 Hey, radicals, anarchists, and all of you liberatory leftists: Are you a podcaster, video maker, multimedia artist, or writer? The Institute for Anarchist Studies wants to let you know we have grants available for projects focusing on Black and indigenous anarchisms, police abolition and alternatives, and mutual aid. For details and how to apply visit anarchiststudies.org and click on the grants application post on our main page. That's anarchiststudies.org. Anarchist-studies-dot-O-R-G. Applications close January 31, 2021. Spread the word and tell your friends. Margaret 02:24 Okay, so if you could introduce yourself with whatever name you want to go by, your pronouns, and I guess kind of a little bit about what brought you to this work of teaching and security culture trainings? Philip 02:35 Yeah, my name is Philip, I use they/them pronouns. I'm living in Suquamish Territory and the Salish Sea. I've been involved in a lot of solidarity work with Indigenous liberation movements and Black liberation movements that have exposed me to a lot of frontline experiences and experiences with state repression, both immediately and down the line. And in response to those encounters with law enforcement with legal repression, and with the effect that that has on our movements, me and a lot of friends and comrades have dived into learning about security culture, learning about the tools and the techniques that we can all use to keep each other safe. And also learning about the ways that the state works to isolate our movements, to discredit our movements—basically, to disempower us—so that we're able to be more informed about how to take care of each other. So I'm definitely deeply indebted to a lot of Black and Indigenous liberation movements for developing these skills and passing them on. And I'm here to just try to contribute now what I've been taught and foster a conversation about how we can be moving into this, like, pretty unprecedented territory in the world of new state surveillance, expanding state surveillance, more encounters with police, but also with right-wing vigilantes, paramilitary groups, white supremacists, and some of the tools we can use. Margaret 04:07 That makes sense. Yeah, one of the reasons that I wanted to have you on in particular is a conversation that we had about the nuances of security culture, and I'm really excited to get into that stuff. But for people who have no idea what we're talking about, could you introduce the concept of security culture? Philip 04:26 Yeah, that's a great question. I feel like there's a lot of intersections between security culture and a lot of other topics that you've had on this show or that you might have on in the future. Ultimately, I think of security culture as this big framework. And it's a framework that helps us reduce risk for ourselves when we're engaging in social movement work, basically by protecting sensitive information. So one definition might be: It's like a mix of interpersonal and organizational and technical practices that help us be more resilient to state repression. It's a shared set of customs, that helps us minimize risk by explicitly naming some norms, over our boundaries and over our communication and that helps us lessen our paranoia, reducing ambiguity, and feeling more secure as we're engaging with the inherently risky work of challenging unjust power systems. Margaret 05:31 So what are some of the examples of that when you talk about, like, changing social norms in order to accommodate security culture? Like, you know, what comes to mind with that? Philip 05:43 Yeah, well, I think that the first thing to say is, intentionally or unintentionally, we all have a set of security practices that we do as human beings. We all have boundaries with each other, intentional or unintentional. And the point of security culture is really to be explicit about those boundaries. I, you know, I really want to do a shout out that a lot of people already practice security, culture, and situational awareness in their daily lives, you know, especially trauma survivors, people who are targeted by police and state surveillance. But some of those specific boundaries and norms that we might use would be having, you know, a clear idea of what information is sensitive, and then not sharing that information with people who don't need to know it, to protect yourself and to protect them. Margaret 06:37 Like so concretely like— Philip 06:38 That— Margaret 06:38 Go ahead. Philip 06:40 Yeah, so that would, you know, a big, obvious one is like, don't talk about illegal activities that you have done, or that you're thinking about doing or asking someone else if they've done it. A big thing might be like, "Oh, yeah, I thought I saw you at this protest the other week doing this illegal action. Was that you? How does that feel to you?" That's a big thing that we wouldn't do. That's a pretty clear violation of norms and boundaries over not wanting people to expose themselves in that way. Margaret 07:09 But what if you want to change your profile picture to, like, you throw in a brick on, like, Facebook? Philip 07:15 And that's another one, you know, it's not only the explicit things that we share with each other, but also what is available to the outside world, to law enforcement, or to right wing groups through our social media presences, through, you know, just things that are immediately perceptible like bumper stickers or, like, the Antifa uniform that we're wearing. Being aware of the information that we're communicating, even if it's non-verbal. Margaret 07:45 One of the— Philip 07:45 Though I do wanna say— One of the main things is we should be aware of the sensitivity of the information and limit the information that's sensitive. And then the flip side of that is not stressing about information that is not sensitive. So it's not only, you know, being discreet and confidential about things that could expose us to legal targeting, but also then shedding the worry and anxiety of, "Oh, do I need to be lying to everyone in my life because they asked me what kind of coffee I like, and they're trying to build a case against me?" Margaret 07:47 Go ahead. Mm hmm. Yeah, that makes sense. I—you know, it's like, when people first started talking about security culture around me, I ran into a lot of—we kind of all ran into a lot of issues of it with it, where it would cause, like, a lot of paranoia and then also a lot of like bravado and, like, it definitely, when practiced poorly, can be kind of not a very pleasant culture to be in. Like, it can become a culture of paranoia. But one of the things that I always really liked doing, you know, okay, so it's like—Alright, if you engage in a culture where you just don't talk about crime, like, you kind of have the sense that everyone around you is doing crime and that's cool (assuming they're doing cool crime, because lots of good things and bad things are crime). You can kind of just like—like, one of the things that I try and tell people is just, like, assume that everyone is a secret badass. Like, the shitty kid has been like sleeping on your couch for two weeks and like, doesn't do her dishes enough or whatever. Like, maybe she's getting up to, like, really wild shit. Or maybe she's on the run, you know, and kind of just assuming that everyone is up to something cool. And therefore you just don't need to know it. I don't know. That's something that's always worked for me. Yeah. Yeah, and I think there's absolutely something to be said there about—it takes a lot of intentional work to sort of decouple these practices from some of the, just the other cultural norms that we all have. And that being a big thing of social clout. Philip 10:00 Of, you know, wanting—especially in a movement space—to be able to, like, celebrate the badass shit that we're doing. And one of the awkward things about security culture, or that makes it a little counterintuitive to people who are just learning it is that a lot of times the things that maybe have the biggest impact on our lives, or that we're spending lots of time or energy working on, or that were these really activating, or traumatizing, or fun and exciting experiences we had, we can't really talk about with other people, both for our safety and their safety. And so it's really nice, then, to think, not only, you know, is that something that we shouldn't do, but then also allowing us to think about, well, what are some of the positive ways that we can still be fostering community connection, and, you know, healthy, strong relationships and trust with people where we're not having to communicate about risky things that could implicate us in, like, all sorts of legal entanglements, but instead we can be still be building vulnerability and trust with each other. And that's a really big, important part of security culture that I think gets missed by a lot of people is that this is a great opportunity, actually, for us to think about what are our community norms around communication and interpersonal dynamics? And what are some of the ways that we can shape those intentionally to, like, really build trust and group cohesion and the ability to make us all feel like we're able to do the things that we need to do to survive in this world while staying safe? Margaret 10:00 Yeah. Okay, so what are some of those things? Philip 11:32 So I think a big one is that building trust with each other is an active process that we all need to be doing, especially in movement work. One of the big things that I think is really important is being able to, you know, talk about harmful and difficult dynamics that come up about conflict that comes up, about addressing accountability, and how much of state repression is able to impact movements by fracturing us along pre-existing tensions that we aren't able to work through. So there's a lot of examples in that historically, of state targeting movements, basically, where there was already distrust that was unable to be resolved, and fracturing movements by encouraging people to distrust each other because they weren't able to work through conflict. Margaret 12:25 So you're basically talks about how the way that the state will essentially, like, bad-jacket or fed-jacket people, like, in order to sow distrust. Like basically, like, pick apart, like, so-and-so is unpopular, or maybe so-and-so actually caused harm, right? Like, so-and-so abuse someone or assaulted someone or is, you know, in accountability around it, or evading accountability around it, basically like sowing distrust about therefore, like, that person doing state work? Or what do you what do you mean by that? Philip 13:00 Yeah, I think that is one popular example. We can definitely talk about that—about both how the state uses false accusations, you know, maybe to break trust—but also how real continued harm, real accusations, are then downplayed when we're existing in this like defensive, reactive space of being, "Oh, well, if, you know, we're going to be talking about these things then it's obviously a bad-jacketing." And so our movements are put in between a rock and a hard place because of just the widespread norm that exists of not being able to address the conflict when it comes up. But another way that that also happens is just how not only direct state intervention can fracture movements, but even the perception of state intervention, the fear and paranoia that gets spread through knowing that we're surveilled, through knowing that there's all these historical examples of actual state harm and us imagining then that we are being actively targeted at that time and us fracturing under that stress, even when there's not active state repression happening to our specific movements. And so it ends up that we almost start policing and repressing ourselves. And we're doing the state's work for it. Margaret 14:20 I guess, like, one of the things that I think about this is I try to use history and awareness of that connection to actually—hm, how to I want to say this? It's like, I assume everyone's a cop and that makes me not paranoid. And I feel like there's a right way and a wrong way to do this. But for me, and the security culture that I practice—and this might be wildly unpopular—I just I assume that a decent portion of the people that I'm friends with and am close with, so possibly people I've been known and working with for decades, might be state agents. Or I've certainly had a lot of friends, a lot of people very close to me, become state agents, become informants in different cases. And because I'm able to do that, it kind of doesn't break my trust. Because I know that I'm, like, firewalling, all the information that I'm putting out there, right? I'm thinking about what I say to whom and because of that, you know, when someone turns out to be a state agent, I'm like, "Well, okay, like, I didn't trust them anyway so I was careful about what I said to them." And, you know, and obviously, this can be done in a very bad way. But, I don't know, I find it really useful to study basically, like—like, we can look at the history of COINTELPRO and it can, like, you know, drive us into a lot of fear and a lot of, like, just looking over our shoulders constantly, right? Or we can look at it and be like, "Okay, this is the situation that we may or may not be in, and what are the right steps to take if that's the situation we're in." And I think, for me, I mostly watch this be much harder on people for whom it's a shock, for people who come in and are like, "Wow, we're all doing this wild shit together and this is so great." And then it turns out that you're all being surveilled, or, you know, two of you are cops or something like that. And it's kind of heartbreaking and causes more fear as compared to if you just enter it knowing that that's going to be the case. Philip 16:36 Absolutely, and I think you highlight two things there that feel really important to me in a security culture practice. So one is just having those proactive boundaries and that discretion, and just making that part of your everyday life—part of your way of relating with people and not this whole other mindset that you're adopting just in moments of direct action. Basically assuming, like, I just don't want to publicly share anything that I don't want read back to me at a grand jury hearing. Margaret 17:10 Right. Philip 17:12 I think another thing that is really important with what you just said is how important learning from history and looking at the concrete and well-documented examples of state repression that we can learn from prepares us to be able to be more resilient. And that that is an actually really important part of being able to evaluate risk and being able to care for ourselves and being able to know what's coming down the line. And that that should be something that we're constantly doing. And it's a lot of work but I think that's one of the things that I've been really excited by, it's just thinking about all these different resources and tracking the terrain of state repression and being able to then sort of stay ahead of the ball as best we can with thinking about what sort of terrain we have to be working in, and the actual tools and maneuverability that the state has, or that right-wing groups have to be interfacing with us. You know, it feels—not to minimize the very real risks that many people are experiencing by confronting white supremacy and capitalism and state violence.—but thinking about this on a little bit more exploded of a level, it feels like we're, you know, kind of playing this like big elaborate board game. And that state repression isn't functioning in the way of just pure unbridled force being exacted on any sort of social movement. There are absolutely moments of that. You know, we have seen assassinations, we have seen brutalization, there are many historical examples, you know, bombs were dropped on the MOVE collective in Philadelphia, police assassinated Fred Hampton of the Black Panthers while he slept in his bed. There are big examples of that. But by and large, at least as far as, you know, the material that is publicly available to reflect from, the way that state repression happens is more by controlling dissent through these sort of like light touches, by erecting the container that social movements and public opinion exist in, and trying to have that subtle touch, you know, that sort of negotiated management or that controlled management, similar to a lot of ways of how street protests are handled by police. Now, instead of it just being an outright brutality, it's more of negotiating with movement leaders, shutting the terrain, and if we're able to track that and we're able to keep a good tab on where public opinion is at, keep a good tab on what sort of restraints the state has for interacting with us for not trying to move public opinion towards supporting popular movements, you know, we're able to then track the sort of tools that we have available to be able to challenge these systems and have a little more strategy, a little more creativity, you know, thinking outside of the box and really engaging with this in a very adaptive and flexible and, like, spontaneous way. And I think that's one of the greatest strengths of decentralized movements is being able to be really flexible and responsive in a way that the state and other authoritarian or hierarchically-organized systems aren't able to keep up with. Margaret 20:25 To keep asking you kind of the same question over and over again, but can you give examples of that? Like, what is it about decentralization that gives us that kind of advantage, like, or what are some examples of people using that advantage? Philip 20:40 So I mean, one great example is just looking at the trove of documents that gets produced through surveillance of movements, and realizing how little these different analysts and intelligence agencies actually understand about social movements and about organizing. And so one example of that is specifically, there was a great series published by The Intercept after Standing Rock about this intelligence agency, Tiger Swan, and all the surveillance that they did on the Standing Rock movement. And this is an enormous cache of documents. You know, the state spent millions of dollars surveilling and compiling networks and trying to understand how these movements were working on the ground to be able to contain them and neutralize them. And yet, at the same time, the state just didn't seem to fundamentally understand how it was possible that such a large movement wasn't operating along, like, traditional military structuring. They were naming people who were, you know, a media spokesperson, or someone who had a popular Instagram feed who was documenting a lot of it, as the leader of the movement or as supplying arms, when that was so clearly not the case to anyone who was able to participate on the ground. And so that smokescreen of the state not understanding the organic flows of movements or how it's possible for things to exist in a [inaudible] fashion, it creates this haze that allows us to kind of keep, you know, the specifics of how we're relating with each other protected from that surveillance and allows us to remain safe. Margaret 22:23 Yeah, I had a—Go ahead. Philip 22:25 I mean, the counterpoint to that is just when states—when militaries are engaging with traditionally organized enemies, you know, whatever might be a centrally-commanded military unit, it's really easy to, you know, be able to identify the central command and eliminate it. Versus, you know, states, armies, militaries engaging with irregular guerrilla warfare is a very difficult situation to be able to differentiate between combatants and non-combatants. And, you know, I really love to point at the example of the United States military losing to the Vietcong, you know, the greatest military empire power on the planet losing to some communist guerrillas in the jungle who, you know, were able to operate in a way that this empire was just not able to respond. Margaret 23:21 Yeah, so that's like, one of the things I like about security culture is it helps create that smokescreen because—and I like the way that phrasing it as a smokescreen—where they have a hard time seeing what a decentralized movement is doing. And a lot of times we don't understand what a decentralized movement is doing. It's like, I feel like whenever I'm engaged in a very chaotic and organic situation, I spend about half my time just trying to figure out what's going on, right? And—in order to understand what's happening so I can figure out how to best engage with it. But on the other hand, I like how a security culture—it's like, I don't know which of my friends are up to things besides what they talk about. And I don't need to know and it also it helps—it helps to minimize—I mean, like, you brought up earlier about the like social clout and, like, I think one of the things that destroys movements is social capitalism, is the idea of, like, everyone's trying to gain clout, everyone's trying to, you know, I mean, to say it cynically, you know, like, have the coolest podcast and get everyone to support your Patreon or whatever the fuck, right? But—and even if you're trying to do that for the best of reasons, even if you're trying to do that in order to like, you know, get out good ideas or whatever, social capital ends up playing a lot into it and social capital games are really dangerous. and way more than like being a cool podcaster or whatever, being a cool militant is like—to the people who know—that's like extra cool. And you get way too much say and what's going on if everyone like is, like, "Oh, yeah, like, she's doing all this like crazy shit," right? And it's kind of this thing, it's like a little bit hard, but you kind of like learn to just accept like, "Oh, alright, well, like I'm a secret badass and no one knows." Well like, not me, but like, you know, maybe when I was younger, I don't know. But like, I don't know—you talk about the smokescreen thing, it's just like, I literally don't know who's up to no good, you know, and that's great. It feels really good. I'm like, I literally can't snitch because I have no fucking clue. One of the things that you were talking about earlier, or that we were talking about earlier, that I feel like is worth breaking down for people who are, you know—I mean, obviously, this podcast is about preparedness, right? And I believe that revolt is an important part of preparedness. But people might not necessarily know what we're talking about when we talk about, like, snitch-jacketing, fed-jacketing, bad-jacketing, you know, which are like, slang terms or terms that we've come up with because this just happens over and over and over again and we want ways to be able to identify it quickly. But what the fuck did those mean? Are you able to break that down? Philip 26:05 Sure. Yeah. Um, let me first—first, like, explicitly name some of the tools of state repression. I think that might be a helpful thing. Margaret 26:14 Yeah. Explicit stuff. Philip 26:15 So in my like conceptualization, ultimately, we have to recognize that challenging and unjust power system, that power system has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. So as we're challenging white supremacy, capitalism, militarism, you know, we are putting ourselves in a position where those systems are going to want to then minimize our ability to change them. And we get our power through working together collectively. And so I kind of see that fundamental tool of state repression has been isolation. A quote that I always go to of how clear that is from J. Edgar Hoover, who was the director of the FBI during the counterintelligence program against the Black Panthers, where his main objective—he, you know, writes that it's to expose, to disrupt, misdirect, discredit, and otherwise neutralize the activities of these black nationalist organizations. So there's a really intentional, conscious push from these state actors to isolate us and to neutralize us. And the ways that they do that historically has been through surveillance, both to gather information, but also as a sort of intimidation, you know, show of power through arrest, whether that's legitimate or illegitimate, through grand juries and legal intimidation, through smear campaigns in the media and discrediting movements, or, you know, saying these protesters are bad because they engage in these types of tactics, through disinformation and spreading paranoia within movements, promoting infighting, blackmail, infiltration, entrapment, threats, and you know, again, all the way up to police brutality and outright assassinations. But so a big way has been by planting informants, by planting undercover agents and those undercover agents either provoking people into committing acts of the state is then enabled us as justification for repression—so we've seen that with the RNC, the Republican National Convention, where an undercover agent encouraged two people to try to use Molotov cocktails and then that resulted in them getting arrested and facing lengthy prison sentences through federal court. But undercovers and informants also can be there to just spread misinformation to break trust, to disrupt group dynamics. And that's just been a really clear way that popular movements have been repressed historically. And so I think that's a reason that it's really easy for us now, as we're worried about security, to say, "Oh, there must be an informant," or like, "Oh, I know that this has happened in the past and so I'm extra aware of this possibility." And one of the outcomes of that is that people who are suspected of being involved in movements with bad intentions can be labeled as an informant, or as a snitch. And so that's basically snitch-jacketing is when you say, "I think this person is working for the police or is providing information," without having clear evidence. And this is something that's really personal to me because I, you know, I've learned a lot of my security practices through trial and error, and there's been error and I've messed up and I've hurt friends and I've hurt movements that have been a part of through dynamics just like this. And I think that's, you know, something I want to hold a lot of humility and hold a lot of accountability for is that I'm saying all these things, but these aren't easy things to implement. Margaret 30:05 Yeah. Philip 30:05 You know, the response to snitch-jacketing, or the response to thinking that someone might be a snitch, isn't to snitch-jacket, but to confront them directly with your concerns and be able to establish, you know, some way of trying to work through that conflict. Being able to address other people with your concerns, with your direct concerns, not things that you're assuming or projecting, and, you know, being able to name things directly, as they are. So saying, "Oh, I am skeptical of this person, because they are sketching me out by taking photos in times that I think are really inappropriate," or "Because they're always asking questions that kind of seem to be digging at trying to expose illegal activities," or "I'm not really sure if they are who they say they are because they're never telling me any information about where they're from or what they do." Margaret 31:01 Right. Philip 31:02 And so, therefore, this person clearly must be working for the FBI and is here as a plant to disrupt our movement. Therefore, this person is a snitch, and I mean, yes, sure, that has happened historically. But in my appraisal, labeling someone is a snitch does probably just as much if not more damage than just name—than that person actually being a snitch. Because it's all of a sudden creating a huge atmosphere of distrust. Margaret 31:29 Right. Philip 31:29 It's creating paranoia. It's exposing huge divisions within the movement. And so even if that person isn't a snitch, by labeling them as a snitch, you've essentially just done the state's work for them of spreading distrust and isolation within movement, Margaret 31:45 Which is cool because then you can say, "Oh, that person's snitch-jacketing people, they must be a fed." You know, because if you're doing the state's work... Obviously don't do that. And that's called "fed-jacketing." The idea of saying instead of—it's the same fucking concept. It's like, you know, someone's probably a fed instead of— Philip 32:04 Yeah. Margaret 32:05 Yeah, one of the ways that I've always heard people talk about it that I've always appreciated is just: judge people by their behavior, not whether or not, like, they're a cop. Like, so rather than assuming, "I think that person's a cop," just be like, "This person is doing something that is making us all less safe." So address that, you know. Address the fact that this person is taking pictures at inappropriate times. Address your distrust of someone, right" But not by saying, like, "I think they're a cop," unless you have hard fucking evidence that they're a cop, you know? Philip 32:41 Yeah, I really go back time and time again, in thinking about security culture, and seeing really clear intersections between security culture and harm reduction, and transformative justice and conflict resolution. You know, I think, in our society, we aren't given a lot of tools for working through conflict and that is especially aggravated by being in this very intense atmosphere that a lot of activists are existing under. But if we were able to—proactively, before engaging in movement work together, as much as possible—generate, what those norms are and what our shared agreements for how we're sharing space with each other are, then we're able to set the container. And then when someone steps over those boundaries, we're able to hold them accountable more directly. And that's ultimately what security culture is, you know, it's culture as a set of shared practices that are embodied, that we're using all the time. And I think it's really important, again, to just make that explicit. And I know that's not always possible, because sometimes we're working with people that we just met. But as much as we're able to, I really like to think about what it would look like if we were able to generate explicit norms and boundaries with each other, and then be able to hold each other to that and say, "Hey, you're making me uncomfortable right now because I told you earlier that I wasn't interested in talking about my historical involvement in that movement, and you're asking me a lot of questions about it. And so I'm just going to ask that you stop asking me those questions." Margaret 34:20 Yeah. Philip 34:21 Instead of saying, "Oh, well, this person is now a snitch." Margaret 34:23 Right. Philip 34:24 But that level of direct communication is challenging, and it's really challenging especially when we're all working in adrenalized frontline environments, or when we haven't gotten a lot of sleep and we're just existing up coffee and cigarettes. And it really speaks to me of just how much there needs to be this intentional push of like building in, like, a feminist ethic of care and of group cohesion and saying, like, we are going to work through this together. Margaret 34:56 One of the things when you talk about holding people accountable to these new social norms that we create, this sort of brings up kind of the dark side of security culture, which is cliquishness. And, well, it's tto things: when I think of the downsides of security culture—I'm clearly a proponent of security culture, I'm trying to do an episode on it. But when I think of the things that we need to be aware of as we attempt to implement it, the two biggest downsides that I think about is creating cliquish, closed off social circles and basically making, you know, obviously, we would never want to be called a Vanguard, but you know, a revolutionary clique. And also, basically making ourselves ineffective. Those are the two biggest concerns that I have. And one of the things that I would say about it is that, like, if we hold people—and it's, actually what you're talking about is great for this, because you talk about, like, trying to set these social norms explicitly, instead of just having them be implicit, right? Because when we hold people accountable to social norms that they don't know about, like, that's not a good way to build a movement, you know? If people that come in and they act in ways that are totally normal for them and, like, you know, their culture, which isn't, like, cool kid anarchy or whatever the fuck, it's really quick—it's really easy if we take these—if we—if these social norms and if these boundaries are so important to us, and, you know, many of them should be very important to us. But if we see them as, like, something that of course people should just know and respect, then we just kick everyone out and get fucking nowhere. Philip 36:41 Yeah, that is a really important thing to bring up. And, I think especially talking about security as this adaptive changing field, the practices we have in the way that we approach this work needs to change as the moment that we're organizing in changes. And I personally learned a lot of my security culture norms and practices through the lens of an anarchist punk subculture, specifically through the lens of frontline forest defense and other land defense campaigns. And the sort of tools and cultural norms that came out of that are ones that evolved really to protect people who were working in small groups or by themselves, engaging in very risky actions—you know, generally like under the cover of night, so to speak—and so it did lead to a set of practices that had a inherent cliquiness to them. I think we're in a really different historical moment right now. I think we're in a moment where mass unrest has spread all across the country in a way that I think is pretty historically unprecedented within the United States. And our security culture norms should change to reflect this mass moment we're in. So it's no longer the same situation as it was in the late 90s or early 2000s during the Green Scare. And one of the most important things that our movement can and needs to be doing during this time is being accessible to people who are newly becoming politically active, who don't have those sub cultural norms, and are coming into movement spaces for maybe the first time and are excited to be part of this huge uprising. Margaret 38:33 Yeah. Philip 38:34 And so something I've experienced a lot of the time is, just as much as there's that social clout of, you know, being the badass militant, I think there's also social clout of being the super secure militant. Margaret 38:47 Oh, yeah, totally. Philip 38:48 Who doesn't answer any questions and it's super dodgy and you don't know anything about them. And that's, I think, a really alienating experience for people who are just coming to movements for the first time without having that sort of background, and it's almost as much of a risk as the state repression itself for isolating our movements. You know, we're not existing solely in a static confrontation with state repression. But the terrain is changing a lot. And so we need to be evaluating what the different risks of our actions are. And if the risk of state repression because our security culture is too weak is lower than the risk of isolation because our security culture is too strong, then we need to be changing our security culture. Margaret 39:42 Yeah. Yeah, I um, you know, the less directly involved I am in the streets, the more I read history-which is sort of a classic getting older move, which I'm not super proud of, but whatever-and one of the things that I'm like learning more and more as I read through different revolutionary history is that, like, sometimes the only way to be safest is fucking win. Like, and there's the quote, shit. German person... I don't even remember what revolution it was from, it was like before the 1848 stuff, but it was—this revolutionist has a quote, 'Those who make half a revolution dig their own grave." And, you know, and that person watched their friends die in jail, right? And, like, because if we—if we go half way we're just gonna fucking lose and—or die or, you know, whatever. Like if, I don't know, I think about it a lot like this—in the current moment, like to just be like really concrete and to not—I am not giving advice at all. Like, I just I literally don't know what the best thing to do is, but I think we need to have a conversation about it—is that like, okay, so on one level, taking pictures of burning cop cars is a really good way to get someone sent to prison, right? Especially if you take pictures of people who are setting cop cars on fire, which I think you just shouldn't fucking do. But if it weren't— Philip 41:19 Absolutely. For all listeners, don't take photos of people doing illegal activity. Margaret 41:24 But it's also the pictures of cop cars on fire that are causing the revolt to spread, right? And a movement that says, "No journalists," or you know, certainly, like no, no—and I am not trying to fucking weigh in on this. I am way too armchair on this particular uprising because I live somewhere where it's not particularly conflictual. But it's not as simple as like, just like, no one ever take pictures of any of this, ever. No one talks about what's happening, ever. Because if people don't know that this shit is happening, no one's going to get inspired. And for me, that is always, that has always worked out to mean, take a picture of, like, the broken window rather than the person breaking the window, you know? There's like, Philip 42:19 Yeah. Margaret 42:22 But it's... Philip 42:24 Which is aa security culture tool right there of, your recognizing the different risks inherent in each activity, the risk of someone getting legally implicated through a photo, or the risk of your movement getting drowned out in the media cycle because there isn't popular media representing what we're doing. Margaret 42:45 Yeah. Philip 42:45 And then specifically, you're talking about our intentional ability to choose how to navigate those risks, and doing something that gives us the benefit of having our own popular media, of being able to build the movement while doing our best to protect people from the like actual legal evidence of, "Oh, here is this photo of you doing such and such action." Margaret 43:07 Yeah. Philip 43:07 And again, it's hard to know specifically what kind of photos might lead to incriminating evidence, hypothetically, but we can make educated guesses. And really, it is all about risk management and knowing the risks and it's not a one-sided risk. It's not, there's just the risk of state repression. You're absolutely right, that the risk of isolation and of getting swept under the rug is going to be a huge thing. And I, you know, again, it feels difficult to try to talk about this in an hour-long podcast because it feels like so many very large, important intersections between security culture and all these other fields that you could, you know, have an entire 'nother interview about. But I think one important one is movement strategy. And, you know, so being another armchair philosopher with you here. Looking at the historical moment of Biden about to enter the White House, you know, for the last four years, there's been this coalition of middle class liberals aligning themselves more actively with antifascist and radical left movements because there's been this clear enemy in the eyes of a Trump presidency. And I think historically we can see that once there's a return to quote/unquote "normalcy," you know, to attempt to reestablish the neoliberal order, there's going to be a move by the Democratic Party, by the centrists and the liberals, to separate themselves from the radical anarchists, the radical left, the militant component that has been supporting their return to power in some ways by being positioned against Trump. And I think it's really important to think about what that means for us practicing security at this time, of trying to weigh the pros and the risks of maintaining that relationship. And trying to use this as a time to continue to build power and not sort of go back to the edges of the social sphere because there's a Democrat process. Again, I'm not providing any concrete recommendations, but I think we should think about the implications of our actions. And, you know, one big place of this is thinking about how, in different contexts, militant actions can be really inspiring, or they can be really alienating for the rest of the population. And there are times that militant action can totally fractionalize and destroy a movement. And, potentially, this could be one of those times. You know, again, I'm not trying to say that people should or shouldn't do anything, but I think we should think about the coalition that has been being built for the last four years and how we can try to use this time to strengthen it and try to build more collective power with people who are shifting further and further to the left from the centrist position, instead of holing up in our militancy, in our purity of our anarchist movement, because that is going to leave us high and dry to fascists and then to state repression. And so it's going to be a good cop/bad cop of the liberals and the fascists against us. Margaret 46:20 When you talk about, like, there are times when militant action will inspire people and their time where it'll divide people, I think about, like, people often make one claim or the other, you know? They'll say like, "Oh, violence alienates people," or, "Fighting the police alienates people." And it's like, first of all, it's like, yeah, probably alienates certain people but there's other people who certainly are like, "Oh, these people are, like, actually fucking about it and they're willing to, like, defend themselves and each other." And that's really inspiring, right? It's gonna be different with different people. But I think about it when I, like—just talk about survival bullshit that I think about way too often—when I'm building a fire in a precarious situation and you, know, building a campfire in a precarious situation, there are times when if you blow on the fire, it goes out. And, but also, if you never blow on the fire, you'll never have a fire and it'll go out. And, you know, that's the main metaphor that I think of when I think of that shit. When—you just have to know the right moments. You have to know the right moments, both like sort of on a tactical level of like reading the crowd around you, and also on a strategic level. I personally think that the main way to not go back to the margins is to, like, not be fucking shy about what we believe in, and that it's a reasonable thing to believe. Philip 47:44 Yeah. Margaret 47:45 And to like— Philip 47:46 Absolutely. Margaret 47:47 —avoid cliquishness. And it even gets into some of the security culture stuff you're talking about arlier. I was thinking about it where it was like—like, I have these like fucking Nazis. Hey Nazis listening to this show. Hello. And I'm just so impressed with the fact that people might hate listen to a podcast. And you know, and like one of the things that like Nazis always try and do when they doxx people or whatever is their like, they're gonna, like, tell people, right? They're gonna be like—and like, you can't fucking call my family and be like, "Did you know your daughter's an anarchist?" You know? You can't even call the local cops and be like, "Did you know Margaret Killjoy is an anarchist?" Right? And I'm in a different position than most people, right, because I intentionally do a lot of public facing work. But still on like an interpersonal level, just fucking be about what you're about and don't be ashamed of being about what you're about without shaming other people for being about what they're about. And that's how you find common ground. And that's how you, like, one of my goals is I want people to be like—like, I know, people who don't shit on the anarchists when all this stuff started because they, like, know some good anarchists who are nice to them. Philip 48:54 Yeah. Margaret 48:55 And so a lot of people want to hide the fact that they're anarchists or whatever other given, like, radical leftist position. And sometimes that's necessary from a security point of view. But you brought it up earlier when you were talking about how there's certain things you do have to keep hush hush, right? Like, like, no one should specifically know, like—actually, it's funny. I just like basically don't commit crime. But no one should specifically know I, like, you know, graffiti-ed to building in 2002—which I actually didn't do. But, like, they don't need to know that. Right? But I'm gonna be like, "Yeah, I was involved in anti war movement in 2002," or whatever the fuck to date myself, you know. And like, it's useful, and I don't know. It's just stuff I think about way too much. And the other part of it that you were talking about that I want to bring up is that when I first got into anarchism my friend was, like, "Oh, anarchists, you're the berserkers of the peace movement." And I was like, "What?" And he was like, "Yeah, when they need people to go run at the front and die, that's you." And he was talking shit. But more and more I see that like radicals have a high risk tolerance, right? And anti-authoritarians in particular have often been willing to build coalitions with people and willing to put ourselves at risk for broader movement goals with people who turn around and, like, turn their backs on us and let us go to jail or whatever. And I don't think that means that we shouldn't be risk tolerant. I don't think that it means, like, in some ways this is our advantage. But we do have to learn how to not be useful idiots. I don't know. Philip 50:47 Yeah, and especially right now as there's a nationwide conversation about defunding and abolishing the police, it feels like such an important time to be putting these anarchist perspectives forward in a way that's actually contributing to people within the broader community being able to see us publicly and proudly, showing that we can live our values in this way. And it also, I think, is worth noting that different people have different stakes, whether that's based on social location, or the activities were involved in, the types of projects we're doing. But, personally speaking, as a white person, you know, I've got different social privileges and resources that I'm able to use. And so being able to mobilize a lot of the social capital I have and then add that with a layer of saying, "Oh, and actually I do fully believe that we should abolish the police and abolish prisons and implement transformative justice frameworks." Doing that doesn't really pose much of a risk to me. And it makes this entire project a lot more legible. And I do feel like there's been a big concern I've seen in a lot of anarchist communities about being authentic with our politics. You know, there's sort of been an emphasis that I've experienced of people, maybe downplaying their politics and trying to more just live their politics directly through the actions they do. And that's important. Of course that's important. But I do think that we're in a very different moment right now. And you're right that I think it's a bit of a sink or swim time. Margaret 52:24 Yeah. Yeah, I think that we even see this—like, to take anarchism out of it for a second—like Antifa Or, you know, antifascism. Like, they really tried to Red Scare that shit really fucking hard in the past couple years. And it clearly worked for a large minority of the population, right? Antifa is like, code for terrorists to a huge chunk of the population, but only a minority of the population. And I think it's the reason is only a minority population is that so many people of all walks of life were just like, "What? Yeah, that's normal. It's totally normal to be against fascism." And like, watching Richard Spencer get punched and then having the whole world just be like, "Ya know, that tracks. I dunno. Punch white supremacists. That make sense to me," And so when we refuse to—when we when we're about what we're about, like, I think it fucking helps. Yeah. Philip 53:30 Yeah, absolutely. And, I mean, again, I want to just go back to security culture having risk management as one of its core goals and aims. And I come from a background of doing a lot of, like, large management-type projects, where I interact with all these sort of tools that get developed in like the business world or the nonprofit world for making decisions. It's actually a really helpful, like, resource bin to go and get stuff from. And one of those tools is a risk matrix. So it's basically a graph where you have likelihood of something happening on one side, and then severity if this thing did happen or, you know, negative impact if this thing did happen. And then you can kind of plot different scenarios on their, on how likely they are to happen versus the negative impact. So the likelihood of the problem versus the severity of the problem helps us make decisions about how to approach all those problems. So like one thing would be driving is something that we do every day, it happens very frequently, and the possibility of you getting into a car crash would have really high, you know, potentially lethal consequences. And so as a result, car companies put all of this energy into safety mechanisms and airbags and all that. So thinking about this in security context situation, by actually quantifying, by explicitly naming the different potential outcomes of the work we're doing and the risks associated with them, I think it helps us visualize it more. And so the risk of us being authentic about our politics, and of then experiencing state repression, seems like a very high impact risk. And so we are risk adverse to that, or I historically have been risk adverse to being authentic about my politics. But the much higher likelihood—although lower risk—much higher likelihood outcome, is that being isolated, and not being able to build our movements has resulted in anarchism being socially isolated historically and, you know, of neoliberalism or centrist regimes being able to just marginalize them invisiblize these groups. And I know that these are things that we've already been talking about, but I think that that same sort of risk matrix can help us similarly with maybe smaller decisions. If we're making a decision about what types of actions we feel comfortable personally engaging in during a campaign, you know, we can think about, okay, these are the different frameworks that we have for what capacity the local police have, the amount of surveillance that we feel we're being under, the likelihood of this action succeeding, and actually being able to graph all these things can help us make informed decisions in a way that just thinking about or just talking about it, sometimes you can get lost. Margaret 56:50 Yeah. Philip 56:53 Another tool that I really appreciate using a little bit is kind of on that same note, it's the spectrum of risk. I think it came from CrimethInc, but it talks about different vulnerabilities of actions to state repression. Or like different levels of, like, illicit-ness of actions. So, you know, from the most mainstream and acceptable of a permitted march to, you know, the most nefarious, evil, militant anarchist thing you can imagine, and a whole spectrum in between them. And then for those different actions or activities, there's a different accompanying level of security discretion that we can use where with the mainstream march, you want to be as public as possible about it, because your objective is to get the message out, to get people out to make a big strong showing. Whereas with the evil, nefarious nighttime plot, you don't want any public attention on it whatsoever until it's completed. Margaret 57:56 Right. Philip 57:56 Theoretically, you know, whatever the objectives are. And again, a whole spectrum in the middle. And so, especially at this time, is showing us the strength of popular movements getting hundreds of 1000s of people out in the street, I do think that we're leaning maybe more towards the wanting to be public side of things. And if we're using security tools, if we're using discretion that limits the reach, then we're actually inflicting harm upon ourselves by being overly cautious. And so we are then engaging in, again, the isolation that counterintelligence is trying to inflict on us the whole time. Margaret 58:37 Yeah, and then—sorry, it's like every—I'm thinking about all this shit wile are you talking about this stuff. I was gonna make a joke earlier while you were talking about how, like, what, no, we shouldn't just make decisions about what crimes to commit based on peer pressure. And then I kind of, like, get lost in this rabbit hole, where I'm thinking about how like so much of our movement historically bases its decisions on what crimes to commit, basically, by peer pressure, which you could also call social capital, or whatever, you know. And I was thinking about in the context of, like, you know, you and I addressing the fact that like, "Hey, anyone listening to this, like, don't fucking take our word for it." Like, I really like that the way that you're describing security culture is a set of tools that people can use to make their own decisions about what risks they want to do—they want to tolerate personally. And I actually think that a security culture tool might be basically, like, if you feel like you're being peer pressured into committing a crime, that's a huge red flag, right? Like, so many of the different infiltrations that have happened, you know—the FBI fucking loves infiltrating radical movements of different types, especially at the moment Islam, you know, like, what it considers, like, Islamic movements or whatever—and manufacturing criminals to then, you know, persecute, right? You know, there's been so many instances of a lot of the actions that people go down for were always the FBI idea in the first place. And one of the main tools, I think, that that happens through is social pressure. And basically, like, I'm now turning this into the ad of like, where like, the kid walks up and is like, "Come on, man, don't you wanna be cool and, like, do drugs or whatever?" Like, no do drugs only if you want to do drugs, and if you want to do drugs, that's fucking cool. If you want to commit crimes, like, you know, whatever, think about the ethics of your actions. Make your decisions based on ethics and risk, not based on crime. Crime just affects the risk part of it. And I don't know, yeah, just like fuckin—like way too often when I meet, like, younger radicals, I just kind of want to be like, "Look, like, I'm not saying be careful but, like, be a little bit careful. And like, don't jump off a bridge because your best friends that you met two months ago are doing it." You know? Philip 1:01:12 Yeah. And I think a healthy way of doing that is really cultivating a good self-awareness of what your skills and your experience and your acceptable level of involvement is with different kinds of activities and of what you are willing to participate in, you know, ahead of time as much as possible. And being really secure in that and not feeling peer pressure. And again, I think it's easiest and healthiest if we're able to do this in our movement of making that norm established from the get-go in a really clearly articulated way of we're respecting each other's boundaries over what they do or do not want to participate in. And we aren't going to encourage people to do things that they're not comfortable in. But also being able to know what feels right or what feels wrong, having that situational awareness of, "Oh, this feels off to me." And being able to trust our gut instinct, or at least—or at least listen to our gut instinct—at least, you know, give it the time to think about the impact. Because, you know, because—and I do want to again say that, um, you know, I've made poor decisions, solely listening to my gut instinct and not thinking about the other power dynamics that were at play. And that's a real thing, too. But situational awareness and tracking how a situation feels is a big way that our bodies intuitively know to manage risk. I mean, we're living creatures who have existed in a risky world. And we do have ways that we know how to move through that world and keep ourselves safe. And obviously, we're in a totally different context. But trying to tap in to our intuitions is a really helpful way. And I think, you know, again, that goes a lot back to people already practicing security culture on a regular basis, especially people who have experienced trauma or who are targeted by violence and brutality, having a heightened awareness of their surroundings and of the risks that they're being exposed to, and making decisions in a much more intentional and active way than someone who is not at all needing to think about those things because they come from a social location and a privileged background that has insulated them. Margaret 1:03:36 Could you—like basically saying that, like, if you're a rich kid, you're a lot more—you're a lot safer from—a rich kid, or white or, you know, have different sets of privileges, you're less at risk with the decisions that you're making is that...? Philip 1:03:52 Um, well, a little bit. I mean, I am saying, if you're a rich white kid, you should go commit crime. Margaret 1:03:56 [Laughing] Philip 1:03:59 I am saying that people who have experienced marginalization and brutality, you know, oftentimes will have more situational awareness and will have just like a more natural set of security practices that they're doing to keep themselves safe than someone who hasn't experienced those things. And so being able to cultivate that awareness of what we're interacting with, with who we're interacting with, with our read on the situation, if something feels out of place, if there's a car parked behind the march with unmarked license plates, that looks brand new, and it's got tinted windows, and "Oh, that seems out of place. I wonder if I should keep an eye on that because it's either an undercover cop or a right wing vigilante who's about to drive into the crowd." Margaret 1:04:49 Right. Philip 1:04:49 You know, that is security culture and cultivating that awareness of who we're interacting with and how we're interacting with and the different risks is an important tool to just integrate into our everyday practice. Margaret 1:05:05 No, I like tha. I like this idea that being, like, conscious—like as like a personal security culture technique or whatever—being conscious about what's happening and being conscious about your own choice in the decision or whatever... [Sighs] What am I trying to say? It's like, the people who do shit because they're swept up in it—it's okay to be swept up in what's happening sometimes, right? And I'm not trying to say like, never, like, go with the crowd. Because sometimes also, like going with the crowd'a literally the safest thing. Like, even if like—like, sometimes when all your friends are jumping off a bridge you should probably fucking jump off a bridge. Like, because if you chose your friends carefully—like sometimes I pick—I think about how I like pick my friends very carefully. And so therefore, sometimes I trust their judgment more than my own. And sometimes solidarity, like, requires that. But if you're doing shit just because you're swept up in it, especially a crowd of strangers, especially something you're new to. It's not as good of a scene. And also like the people who do that are like literally more likely to roll. Like, you know, some of the people that I've seen turn state's evidence after, you know, felony arrests or whatever are the people who were just, like, kind of in it for the social capital, they were in it as a social scene. They were, like, you know, like, "Oh, I guess all my friends are an anarchist so I'm an anarchist too," or whatever the fuck, you know? Which is a great way to start getting involved in radical politics is, like, pick cool friends. And, you know, they do cool shit, break the law, breaking the laws, cool. I think I'm allowed to?—I don't know, whatever. And, but the people who don't mean it, I don't trust them as much. And I worry about, like, expressing who I do and don't trust on this show because, like, I just don't trust anyone. But that works for me, but apparently it doesn't work for most people. So, but okay, to run with this paranoia thing for a minute: Like, one of the reasons I think that way is that, like, you know, when I first got involved in political activism or whatever, you know, I was involved in forest defense community in the Pacific Northwest. And I went to some of the last meetings of this particular forest defense crew. And they were just like, tree sitters and shit, right? It was like, it was illegalism but it's, like, above ground illegalism. Like people who sit in a tree are, like, "Hey, I fuckin sit in trees." You know? Like, that's like, one thing I'll like admit to, right? I've like sat in trees. And so it's not—they're not, like, the super sketchy arsonists or whatever running around at night. They're not the ELF. But they certainly were infiltrated as though they were. And I went to some of the last meetings of this organization because I joined it near the end of its time. And then during a FOIA request—a Freedom of Information Act request where you send off to the government and say, "Please give us information about this." Or maybe it was during court discovery, I can't remember which—it came out that, like, I think about 3 out of 8 or 9 people in that meeting were informants or cops of one style or another. And so it's just like, okay. 30% of the people in this movement

In this episode Jermaine is joined by Maiy and they discuss her grief that came about as a result of her mother passing. During that time she also dealt with more grief as her grandmother, who she was very close with, passed away. We explore the highs and lows of her grief and how she is finally getting through the fog that is grief. For all inquiries you can contact us at thinkingoutloud@mail.com Follow on Spotify and Subscribe on Apple Podcasts. Share your thoughts on this episode or any of the other episodes in the catalog by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts as your feedback is highly appreciated. Please be sure to subscribe to the Youtube channel- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfMwC0J2ZDBeJIuU8K2mxNg/videos Hosts: Jermaine Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/maine_thoughts/ Ben Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benacquaah_/ Thinking Out Loud Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thinkingoutloudpod_/ Guest: Maiy - https://www.instagram.com/maiymaiy/

In this episode, you'll hear predictions regarding the outlook for U.S. schools five years from now, the skills required to succeed in the future of work, why K-12 needs to innovate, and more. The episode begins with “Amy's Thoughts,” presented by host Amy Valentine (0:34). She gives a forecast for American schools, looking ahead to the year 2025. As Amy says, we're currently “building the train while we're building the tracks” for the future of school, but there are some key, simple truths we can all understand. Next is the featured interview (2:51) with Nasir Qadree, Founding Managing Partner of Zeal Capital Partners, a new Washington, D.C.-based inclusive investment vehicle focused on partnering with exceptional management teams with diverse backgrounds and skillsets bridging America's Wealth and Skills gap. Nasir describes how, societally, the way we think about resources and equity is frequently not evenly distributed across the population. Therefore, it takes a “collective village” to ensure that resources get into the hands of those who need them. He also describes the events that motivated him to pursue a career that would impact issues of equity and gives perspective on the skills that will be essential to the future of work. Following the interview, this episode's Research Insight describes the range of reasons students have chosen to diversify their educational pathways (19:13). Then, Jazy Manoukian, a Wyoming native and current college student in Virginia, explains how a Future of School scholarship has supported her educational journey. Jazy also shares her perspective on the benefits of blended learning. In the episode's final segment (24:36), FoS Student Scholarship winner Satara Enes interviews Amy Valentine. Satara, originally from Colorado, is a freshman at Nebraska Wesleyan University. In the interview, Amy discusses how she came to pursue a career in education, why there are many different ways to be a teacher, and why the K-12 education system needs to focus on innovation. Learn more about Future of School and its mission to mobilize change in American K-12 education from a one-size-fits-all system to one that ensures all students reach their unbounded potential no matter where their learning takes place at www.futureof.school. Follow Future of School on Twitter @futureof_school and follow Amy Valentine @amyvalentine555 to keep up-to-date on exciting initiatives and opportunities. Connect with today's guest Nasir Qadree on Twitter @NasirQadree

Chapter 20 of the Sai Satcharita is all about Das Ganu's quest to find the deeper meaning of the Isha Upanishad, as he was writing a commentary on it. However, he was not satisfied with his understanding of it, nor did the explanation given by a renowned philosopher satisfy him. So, he turned to Baba, who told him that Dikshit's maid at Vile Parle could easily explain it. The next day, he heard Dikshit's maid sing about a beautiful orange-coloured sari with ornately woven golden border. But, due to abject poverty, she wore a torn rag. Moved by her plight, he asked Moreshwar Pradhan to buy her a new sari. She wore the new sari to work the next day. But on the following day, she returned to work happily wearing her rag, putting away the new sari for another occasion. Yet, her demeanour was the same. Thus, the two-pronged essence of the Ishavasya Upanishad started becoming clear to Das Ganu. He realised that the maid had won the torn rags out of helplessness and inability to afford better clothes. But, her demeanour had not changed an iota. She had stoically accepted her poverty. If you accept your lot in life with equanimity, then the tough days will pass, and you will not be too perturbed. However, if you are affluent and can buy costly clothes, but choose to wear simple clothes, then this is the best way to live life. When you refrain from making an exhibition of your affluence, that is real virtue. The second prong of the puzzle was that Das Ganu realised that the entire creation is covered by the presence of God, and there is no spot without Him. That is perfect. This is perfect. Perfect comes from perfect. Take perfect from perfect, the remainder is perfect. This is the essence of the Upanishad. In the poverty of the child was a divine element. The torn sari also had that element. The giver, the act of giving and the gift - everything is pervaded by the one God. Rid yourself totally of the feeling of I and mine, and always act without ego. Enjoy what He gives you with the spirit of renunciation and dedication. And finally, do not covet another's wealth or possessions. This is the answer to the doubts that Das Ganu had, and it is described in Ovi 94 to Ovi 97 in Chapter 20 of the Charita. This was the unique way in which Baba got the puzzle solved by Kaka Dikshit's maid. The enticing material world is an illusion, and it is misleading. The knowledge that this is a transient illusion will help you to overcome emotions of pain when faced with sorrow. The sorrows would have to accept defeat, leading to a state of calmness, and the knowledge that possessions that we crave are transient, and that this is the drama of life. This is Maya, or illusion, that God has so cleverly crafted. The Isha Upanishad is a short Upanishad, consisting of only 18 verses, and Das Ganu wished to write a commentary on it in the vernacular Marathi, so that it could be understood by the common man. The Upanishad talks about the all-pervasiveness of God, of doing Nishkama Karma, ridding oneself of ego and the feeling of I and mine, and finally, of a state of Siddh Pragnya. Das Ganu was a prolific writer. He also wrote a commentary on Amritanubhav, a composition by Sant Jnaneshwar. He felt that he should write it explaining the details so that the common man could read and understand it. Das Ganu told Dada Maharaj of Satara of his intent. The highly knowledgeable Dada Maharaj was skeptical and said, "You must first understand the original text before embarking on such a detailed thesis. If you stay with me and learn and understand the book, then you will be able to write the commentary." But, Das Ganu thought differently: 'If Baba wants me to write the commentary, then He will give me the wisdom. I will not go to anybody to learn it.' Dada Maharaj didn't appreciate Das Ganu's idea. Nonetheless, he prayed to Baba on his behalf. Das Ganu then began the commentary on the first two chapters, and went to Dada Maharaj with the same. Dada asked him about his progress, so Das Ganu read out what he had written. Dada complimented him on the commentary and said, "Baba is truly a Samartha. Because of his favour on you, such a scholarly Teeka (commentary) has been written." This Leela was taken from Ambrosia in Shirdi, written by Ramalinga Swami. Baba had an endearing way of calling many of his devotees by pet names, and they wore it as a badge of honour and enjoyed being called by these names. The names are given below: Mhalsapati Chimaji Nagre - Baba called him Bhagat Narayan Govind Chandorkar - Nana Govind Raghunath Dabholkar - Hemadpant Hari Sitaram Dikshit Kaka - Langda Kaka Abdul Baba Halalkar - Kala Kauwa Madhavrao Deshpande - Shamya (Bhatacha Shamya) Ramchandra Atmaram Tarkhad - Mhataria Jyotinder Ramchandra Tarkhad - Bhau (Dr. Pillai and Moreshwar Pradhan were also called Bhau) Radhakrishna Mai - Ramkrishni Avadasa - Moodevi Tatya Kote Patil - Kotyacha God Mukhiya Dr. Pillai - Andoji...

Lord Dalhousie (1848-56) Lord Dalhousie was born James Andrew Broun-Ramsay to George Ramsay (9th Earl of Dalhousie) and his wife. The family was of Scottish origin. He studied at Harrow School and Christ Church College, Oxford. He entered active politics in 1837 when he was elected to the House of Commons. He was appointed the Governor-General of India and Governor of Bengal on 12th January 1848. Dalhousie regarded his chief aim in India as the consolidation of British power. He was known to be a hard worker but was also authoritarian and tough. His estimate is something of a controversy. He was responsible for introducing a variety of modern reforms such as the railways, telegraph and postal networks, and public works in India. The Ganga Canal was completed during his tenure. But, he is most remembered for the Doctrine of Lapse policy which many hold directly responsible for the Indian Mutiny of 1857. Despite the Doctrine, many regard Lord Dalhousie as the ‘Maker of modern India'. Lord Dalhousie also started many Anglo-vernacular schools in India. He also brought about social reforms such as banning the practice of female infanticide. He firmly believed that western administrative reforms were necessary and far superior to Indian systems. He also started engineering colleges to provide resources for the newly-established public works department in each presidency. He also reformed the military. He prohibited the practice of branding criminals. He also expanded the Legislative Council of India. He also reformed the civil services by starting a system of open competition for recruitment. Dalhousie attempted to change the land revenue system. In the process, many landlords had portions of their estates taken away, and many landholders were deprived of their entire landholding. This was significant as many of the sepoys were taken from this socio-economic class. His annexation of states through the Doctrine of Lapse, like Satara, Oudh and Jhansi caused a lot of Indian soldiers to be disgruntled with the company rule. Dalhousie also oversaw the annexation of Punjab and parts of Burma through wars with the local rulers. The Second Anglo-Sikh War was fought during his term. He returned to Britain in March 1856 after almost 8 years in India as the Governor-General. The Indian Mutiny broke out a year later and Dalhousie was criticized for his policies in India. The hill station of Dalhousie in Himachal Pradesh was named after him. It was established in 1854 as a summer retreat for English civil and military officials. Lord Dalhousie died on 19 December 1860 aged 48 --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

The Indian Meteorological Department (IMD) has predicted a high tide in Mumbai today. A high alert has been issued to Mumbai for a high tide wave of 4.42 metres. At 11:39 am today after heavy rains and thunderstorms earlier in the day. Meanwhile an orange alert has been issued for Kolhapur and Satara districts. In western Maharashtra and for coastal areas for today and tomorrow. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/latestnewssuno/support

Sitara hi nazar

Vivek Singhal is an IT entrepreneur and a seasoned runner from Indore, India. He was probably the first one from Indore to participate in Mumbai marathon in 2008. He has run in places like Satara, Auroville, Leh, Singapore, Melbourne. He is one of the few Indians to go to Two Oceans 56 km run in South Africa in 2014 and later where he was the flag-bearer from India for three consecutive years. He has also done Comrades run which is a 90 km marathon, back to back in 2015 and 2016. He is a cyclist as well and has done Manali to Leh and Guwahati to Tawang cycle expeditions.According to Vivek, "Running an IT company takes me traveling around the world which gave me an opportunity to run on all the continents practically with some lovely stretches like The Great Ocean Road in Melbourne or in the deserts of Namibia, or mountains of Cremia erstwhile Ukraine, or the mud tracks of the Running Village in Adis Ethiopia. Running was always a fun and meditative activity for me, so I never ran for personal best ever and took big breaks from running in between, that prevented injuries of any kind."

Babasaheb Ambedkar Writtings & Speeches

Instagram link: https://www.instagram.com/nascent_carbon/ Satara police says Santosh Pol, a doctor from Wai, confessed to killing six people including four women between 2003 and 2016. In a shocking case, a 42-year-old doctor from Satara district of Maharashtra, who was arrested last week in connection with the murder of an anganwadi worker, has “confessed" to killing five more people including four women between 2003 and 2016, and burying them in his farmhouse, police claimed on Tuesday. Santosh Pol, a doctor from Wai, spilled the beans on the multiple murders during interrogation in the case of 47-year-old anganwadi worker Mangala Jedhe's death, following which police exhumed four bodies, apart from Jedhe's, from his farmhouse on Monday night, Sandip Patil, superintendent of police, Satara told PTI. Pol, dubbed as ‘Dr Death', is in police custody till 19 August after his arrest on 11 August for allegedly kidnapping and murdering Jedhe, president of Maharashtra Purva Prathmik Shikshika Sevika Sangh, on 16 June. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/abhishek-tiwari007/message

Lecture in National Conference at Satara

Upendra Limaye, Sudha Chandran & Roshni Walia Got Emotional On The Last Shoot Of Tara From Satara

Sony TV’s Tara From Satara which gained a lot of popularity for its unique concept and great casting, is all set to go off air on 7th February, 2020.

Satara Stratton, now going by Satara Silver moved out to LA to pursue her dreams of becoming an actress. In November of 2011 when her grandmother becomes sick, Satara’s mother is planning a trip for her to come back home to Chattanooga Tennessee to visit. This trip never happens and Satara never calls her mother back…

In the season finale of season 1, Kathryn brings on one of her best friends Satara as a special guest discussing what they are letting go of in 2019 and what goals they plan to crush in 2020! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

In today's episode we shall talk on Tapering. For this we have with us Dr. Sandeep Kate. Dr. Sandeep Suryakant Kate is proprietor at Surprayabha Hospital - Piles & Hernia Speciality Center, Satara. He is the Founder of Satara Runners Foundation, which organizes the Satara Hill Half Marathon since 2012. Satara Hill Half Marathon has been featured in the Guinness Book of World Records for the most people in a single mountain run. Dr. Kate started running for fitness in January 2012 & has finished dozens of Half Marathons, 10 Full Marathons including Athens, Gold Coast and Zurich. He has also completed 3 Ultra-marathons ( Comrades ) in South Africa. His Personal Best is 1 hour 33 minutes for Half marathon, 3 hours 36 minutes for Full Marathon and 9 hours 58 minutes for the Comrades Ultra.

Potrebujemo čebulo, papriko in paradižnik ter jajce. Narezano čebulo pražimo, solimo, dodamo narezano papriko. Paradižnike narežemo in odcedimo in ga dodamo. Pokrijemo in premešamo. Dosolimo. Nazadnje po želji dodamo razžvrkljana jajca da zakrknejo. Pika na i je narezan peteršilj.

Road trip from Satara to Mumbai. Meeting Rajesh Shah.

Satara tri session. Kandha bajji. Satara Hill and rains. Mutton thali at Manas.

Swim and run session in Pune. Celebration's of IM finishers. Satara trip.

In this episode we talk about my journey from Hyderabad to Mumbai and the road trip from Mumbai to Goa, that involved travel through Pune, Satara, Kolhapur and Amboli Falls.

Karad triathlon. Satara camp.

Today on Causepods we are switching the format up a little bit and are lucky enough to be recording live from the Spice of Life charity event hosted by Forgotten Boardwalk in New Jersey! This annual event is all about celebrating life, organ donation, living donors, and great tasting beer! During the episode we chat to a number of organizers and attendees about their part in the day’s proceedings as well their experiences with organ donation. We hear from Sharon and Seth Dolled, the mother and son team who helped put together Spice of Life. They share the story about the great gift Seth was able to give his mother when he was just 23, donating his kidney. They describe why the process that they went through together was such a life changing experience for both of them and their story is just so inspirational. We also chat to Andrea Gianini from the National Kidney Foundation and some of the team from Forgotten Boardwalk about the beers on tap of the day. One of the resounding messages from the day is around the relative low cost of organ donation when compared with the amount that is received. A number of our guests told us that the pain is temporary and recovery is nothing compared to giving someone the gift of life. For all this and much more, be sure to tune in for this extra special episode! Key Topics: • A son’s decision to give his mother a kidney. (01:14) • A little about The Spice of Life event. (02:55) • Going about promoting living organ donation in everyday life. (05:18) • Some of the work that the Nation Kidney Foundation does. (07:23) • Lesser known tips for good kidney health. (11:25) • Jason’s story of donation to his best friend’s father. (14:03) • The impact of living donations and the temporary nature of pain. (17:45) • Whitney’s story of organ donation to her mother. (19:18) • Her experience since the surgery. (23:00) • Jenna’s family’s genetic disposition toward polycystic kidney disease. (26:17) • Some of Jenna’s favorite beers at the event! (29:05) • More myths dispelled by Satara. (30:29) • How Satara got involved with Spice of Life. (32:41) • Her experiences of donating bone marrow and a kidney. (33:45) • Which beers to be excited about at the event. (36:38) • The celebratory nature of the Spice of Life event. (41:03) • Some information on Forgotten Boardwalk and their history. (43:03) • Jamie’s favorite beers from the festival. (45:19) And much more! Support Team Kidney (https://team.kidney.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=donorDrive.personalCampaign&participantID=3714) See the show notes and a transcript at http://www.causepods.org/podcast/bonus-episode-spice-of-life (http://www.causepods.org/podcast/bonus-episode-spice-of-life) Thanks for Listening! Be sure to subscribe on mathew@causepods.org (mailto:mathew@causepods.org) . And feel free to drop us a line at mathew@causepods.org. Stay up-to-date on Causepods by followng Mathew Passy on social media at Twitter (https://twitter.com/mathewpassy) ! For help, resources, and community support, please join the Causecasters’ Facebook Group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2073354376260768/) if you are already producing podcasts for a cause or are thinking about launching one. And if you would like to be a guest on Causepods, please fill out this form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScxrbr_ixkZQHAOFldoDrSQzcLGi4EB3SFNW3t76_nG0VKlmw/viewform) .

Finally got some breathing space to write down my Goa Triathlon 113 Race Report!! Last two weeks have been very busy creating awesome training plans for the next set of events, Skype calls with new trainees, clinics for swim and run in Hyderabad. I am loving my work and its only getting better. Now lets get back to the topic. My days leading to Goa Triathlon were equally busy with back to back Tri camps at Pune and Satara. Nutrition gets a bit affected but that was just a minor bump into the preparation. I was ready to try my Tri bike for the first time in a race and on road!! Yes, I did not ride my tri bike ever on road before. I had brought it 3 years back!! So a practice ride on the race route was very important.

Alyssa Satara is a social innovator with a masters degree focused on human rights. She's had her work published in HuffPost, HuffPost UK, Inc., Observer, The Independent, and International Business Times. Alyssa is known for writing about using technology to address global humanitarian issues, women in tech, millennials in the workplace, self help, and leadership.

Shaykh Yasir Qadhi discusses the meaning of one of the names of Allah which is As Sittir. This particular name of Allah comes from the verb Satara which means to cover up. And it refers to Allah as the one who covers up and obviously, Allah knows what He is covering up. Allah is As ... Read more

From a lineage of 15 generations of learned practitioners of the Krishna Yajur Veda, Shri Vivek is the main teacher and principal of Sri Krsna-Yajurveda Pathasala, a school in Satara, India, which specializes in the revitalization of the Oral Tradition of the Vedas. Shri Vivek is an accomplished Vedic astrologer and is widely known for […] The post The Fire of Life appeared first on Future Primitive Podcasts.