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In this episode we had the opportunity to sit down with Darren Parry, the former chairman/chief of the North Western Shoshone tribe.  He shared with us a story that was both tragic and hopeful at the same time. The story of Bear River Massacre, from the perspective of those who suffered that day.  Brigham Young and the Latter-Day Saint movement led many people to Western North America, where the Shoshones helped them with foraging and many other necessary survival skills. All was well until resources started becoming more scarce, which led to more and more discontent between the Indians and the settlers. Timestamps:What former chairman means [1:54]How large the tribe is today [6:34]Setting the groundwork for this story [11:06]Complaining about the Indians and arrest warrants for the chiefs, and the massacre [17:49]Darren's grandparents and passing down the story [29:34]Our relationship with Mother Earth [40:05]Restoring the natural state of things [42:42]Telling the Shoshone story and the story of the land [47:08]Let's not turn this into a “You owe me” type thing, but see the positives [57:24]Reach out to Darren [61:53]Notable quotes:“What may have started as a battle, and when I think of a battle in my mind, I think of two equal groups, fighting it out, and what may have started equal after 10-15 minutes, quickly turned into indiscriminate killing of men, women, and children. My grandmother told me many times that our people were being slaughtered like wild rabbits. Men, women, and children were being butchered left and right.” [24:39] Relevant Links:https://x.com/shoshonelderboaogoi.orgSubscribe to the podcast: Apple Podcast

Send us a textWes sat down and talked with Andrew from Scaia Off Road about his Toyota Tacoma and exploring Western North America. There has been some big changes to the Tacoma recently, including the aluminum flat deck and canopy from Summit Expedition. We also got side tracked about how nature therapy is a real thing and how it affects us as well as how the positive and negative effects of social media play with our minds. Scaia Off Road Instagram15% off Brightsource Lights with cod 4x4canada10% off TOC Supplies with code 4x4canada 10% off WildMedKits with code 4x4canada 10% off Afraid Knot Ropes with code 4x4canada23 10% off Miolle Gear with code 4x4 Make sure to check us out on Facebook and Instagram!

Almost every model of future climate suggests that Western North America will grow substantially drier as global surface temperatures continue to get hotter. And that likely means less water, at least through traditional means. But Anjali Mulchandani thinks we might have some other options.

In this episode we had the opportunity to sit down with Darren Parry, the former chairman/chief of the North Western Shoshone tribe.  He shared with us a story that was both tragic and hopeful at the same time. The story of Bear River Massacre, from the perspective of those who suffered that day.  Brigham Young and the Latter-Day Saint movement led many people to Western North America, where the Shoshones helped them with foraging and many other necessary survival skills. All was well until resources started becoming more scarce, which led to more and more discontent between the Indians and the settlers. Timestamps:What former chairman means [1:54]How large the tribe is today [6:34]Setting the groundwork for this story [11:06]Complaining about the Indians and arrest warrants for the chiefs, and the massacre [17:49]Darren's grandparents and passing down the story [29:34]Our relationship with Mother Earth [40:05]Restoring the natural state of things [42:42]Telling the Shoshone story and the story of the land [47:08]Let's not turn this into a “You owe me” type thing, but see the positives [57:24]Reach out to Darren [61:53]Notable quotes:“What may have started as a battle, and when I think of a battle in my mind, I think of two equal groups, fighting it out, and what may have started equal after 10-15 minutes, quickly turned into indiscriminate killing of men, women, and children. My grandmother told me many times that our people were being slaughtered like wild rabbits. Men, women, and children were being butchered left and right.” [24:39] Relevant Links:https://x.com/shoshonelderboaogoi.orgSubscribe to the podcast: Apple Podcast

This podcast hit paid subscribers' inboxes on June 2. It dropped for free subscribers on June 9. To receive future pods as soon as they're live, and to support independent ski journalism, please consider an upgrade to a paid subscription. You can also subscribe to the free tier below:WhoRicky Newberry, Vice President and General Manager of Kirkwood Ski Resort, CaliforniaRecorded onMay 20, 2024About KirkwoodClick here for a mountain stats overviewOwned by: Vail ResortsLocated in: Kirkwood, CaliforniaYear founded: 1972Pass affiliations:* Epic Pass: unlimited access* Epic Local Pass: unlimited access with holiday blackouts* Tahoe Local Epic Pass: unlimited access with holiday blackouts* Tahoe Value Pass: unlimited access with holiday and Saturday blackouts* Kirkwood Pass: unlimited accessClosest neighboring ski areas: Heavenly (:43), Sierra-at-Tahoe (:44) – travel times vary significantly given weather conditions, time of day, and time of year.Base elevation: 7,800 feetSummit elevation: 9,800 feetVertical drop: 2,000 feetSkiable Acres: 2,300Average annual snowfall: 354 inchesTrail count: 86 (20% expert, 38% advanced, 30% intermediate, 12% beginner)Lift count: 13 (2 high-speed quads, 1 fixed-grip quad, 6 triples, 1 double, 1 T-bar, 2 carpets – view Lift Blog's inventory of Kirkwood's lift fleet).Why I interviewed himImagine this: 1971. Caltrans, the military-grade state agency charged with clearing California's impossible snows from its high-alpine road network, agrees to maintain an additional wintertime route across the Sierra Crest: Highway 88, over Carson Pass, an east-west route cutting 125 miles from Stockton to US 395. This is California State Route 88 in the winter:A ridiculous road, an absurd idea: turn the industrial power of giant machines against a wilderness route whose wintertime deeps had eaten human souls for centuries. An audacious idea, but not an unusual one. Not in that California or in that America. Not in that era of will and muscle. Not in that country that had pushed thousands of miles of interstate across mountains and rivers and deserts in just 15 years. Caltrans would hammer 20-foot-high snow canyons up and over the pass, punching an arctic pathway into and through the howling angry fortress of the Sierra Nevada.And they did it all to serve a new ski resort.Imagine that. A California, an America that builds.Kirkwood, opened in 1972, was part of the last great wave of American ski resort construction. Copper, Northstar, Powder Mountain, 49 Degrees North, and Telluride all opened that year. Keystone (1970), Snowbird (1971), and Big Sky (1973) also cranked to life around this time. Large ski area building stalled by the early ‘80s, though Vail managed to develop Beaver Creek in 1980. Deer Valley opened in 1981. Outliers materialize: Bohemia, in spite of considerable local resistance, in 2000. Tamarack in 2004. But mostly, the ski resorts we have are all the ski resorts we'll ever have.But there is a version of America, of California, that dreams and does enormous things, and not so long ago. This institutional memory lives on, even in those who had no part in its happening. Kirkwood is an emblem of this era and its willful collective imagining. The mountain itself is a ludicrous place for a commercial ski resort, steep and wild, an avalanche hazard zone that commands constant vigilant maintenance. Like Alta-Snowbird or Jackson Hole, the ski area offers nominal groomed routes, a comfortable lower-mountain beginner area, just enough accommodation for the intermediate mass-market passholder to say “yes I did this.” This dressing up, too, encapsulates the fading American habit of taming the raw and imposing, of making an unthinkable thing look easy.But nothing about Kirkwood is easy. Not the in or the out. Not the up or the down. It's rough and feisty, messy and unpredictable. And that's the point of the place. As with the airplane or the smartphone, we long ago lost our awe of the ski resort, what a marvelous feat of human ingenuity it is. Kirkwood, lost in the highlands, lift-served on its crazy two-mile ridge, is one of the more improbable organized centers of American skiing. In its very existence the place memorializes and preserves lost impulses to actualize the unbelievable, to transport humans into, up, and down a ferocious mountain in a hostile mountain range. I find glory in Kirkwood, in that way and so many more. Hyperbole, perhaps. But what an incredible place this is, and not just because of the skiing.What we talked aboutComing down off a 725-inch 2022-23 winter; what's behind Kirkwood's big snows and frequent road closures; scenic highway 88; if you're running Kirkwood, prepare to sleep in your office; employee housing; opening when the road is closed; why Kirkwood doesn't stay open deep into May even when they have the snowpack; the legacy of retiring Heavenly COO Tom Fortune; the next ski area Vail should buy; watching Vail Resorts move into Tahoe; Vail's culture of internal promotion; what it means to lead the ski resort where you started your career; avalanche safety; the nuance and complexity of managing Kirkwood's avy-prone terrain; avy dogs; why is Kirkwood Vail's last Western mountain to get a new chairlift?; bringing Kirkwood onto the grid; potential lift upgrades (fantasy version); considering Kirkwood's masterplan; whether a lift could ever serve the upper bowls looker's right; why Kirkwood shrank the boundary of Reuter Bowl this past season; why the top of The Wall skied different this winter; why Kirkwood put in and then removed surface lifts around Lift 4 (Sunrise); Kirkwood's fierce terrain; what happens when Vail comes to Rowdy Town; The Cirque and when it opens for competitions; changes coming to Kirkwood parking; why Kirkwood still offers a single-mountain season pass; and the Tahoe Value and Tahoe Local passes.  Why I thought that now was a good time for this interviewMaybe last year, when the stacked snows transformed Tahoe into a Seussian mushroom village, would have been a better moment for this interview. Kirkwood – Kirkwood – beat a 700-inch single-winter snowfall record that had stood for 40 years, with 725 inches of freaking snow. By the time I arrived onsite, in late March, the snowpack was so deep that I could barely see out the windows of my condo – on the second floor:This winter marked a return to almost exactly average, which at Kirkwood is still better than what some ski areas clock in a decade: 370 inches. Average, in draught-prone Tahoe and closure-prone Kirkwood, is perhaps the best possible outcome. As this season settled from a thing that is to a thing that happened, it felt appropriate to document the contrast: how does 370 feel when it chases 725? Is snow like money, where after a certain amount you really can't tell the difference? Or does snow, which, like money, occupies that strange space between the material and the ephemeral, ignite with its vanishing form some untamable avarice? More is never enough. Even 725 inches feels stingy in some contexts – Alta stacked 903 last winter; Baker's 1,140-inch 1998-99 season bests any known season snowfall total on Planet Earth.But Californians, I've found, have little use for comparisons. Perhaps that's an effect of the horizon-bending desert that chops the state off from the rest of the continent. Perhaps it's a silent pride in being a resident of America's most-populous state – more people live in California than in the 21 least-populous U.S. states combined, or in all of Canada. Perhaps its Surf Brah bonhomie drifting up to the mountains. Whatever it is, there seems to be something in Cali's collective soul that takes whatever it's given and is content with it.Or at least it feels that way whenever I go there, and it sure felt that way in this interview. At a moment when it seems as though too many big-mountain skiers at headliner mountains want to staple their home turf's alpha-dog patch to their forehead and walk around with two thumbs jerking upward repeating “You do realize I'm a season passholder at Alta, right?”, Kirkwood still feels tucked away, quiet in its excellence, a humble pride masking its fierce façade. Even 12 years into Vail Resorts' ownership, the ski area feels as corporate as a guy selling bootleg purses out of a rolled-out sheet on Broadway. Swaggering but approachable, funky and improvised, something that's probably going to make a good story when you get back home.Why you should ski KirkwoodOddly, I usually tell people not to go here. And not in that stupid social media way that ever-so-clever (usually) Utah and Colorad-Bros trip over one another to post: “Oh Snowbird/Wolf Creek/Pow Mow sucks, no one should go there.” It's so funny I forgot to laugh. But Kirkwood can be genuinely tough to explain. Most Epic Pass-toting tourists are frankly going to have a better time at Heavenly or Northstar, with their fast lifts, Tahoe views, vast intermediate trail networks, and easy access roads. Kirkwood is grand. Kirkwood is exceptional. Kirkwood is the maximalist version of what humankind can achieve in taming an angry pocket of wilderness for mass recreation. But Kirkwood is not for everyone.There. I've set expectations. So maybe don't make this your first Tahoe stop if you're coming west straight from Paoli Peaks. It's a bruiser, one of the rowdiest in Vail's sprawling portfolio, wild and steep and exposed. If you're looking for a fight, Kirkwood will give you one.That's not to say an intermediate couldn't enjoy themselves here. Just don't expect Keystone. What's blue and green at Kirkwood is fine terrain, but it's limited, and lacks the drama of, say, coming over Ridge Run or Liz's at Heavenly, with the lake shimmering below and miles of intermediate pitch in front of you. **This message is not endorsed (or likely appreciated) by the Kirkwood Chamber of Commerce, Vail Resorts, or Kirkwood ski area.Podcast NotesOn former Kirkwood GMs on the podcast Sometimes it seems as though everyone in skiing has taken their turn running Kirkwood. An unusual number of past Storm Skiing Podcast guests have done so, and I discussed the resort with all of them: Chip Seamans (now at Windham), Tim Cohee (now at China Peak), and Tom Fortune (recently retired from Heavenly). Apologies if I forgot anyone.On Apple MountainApple Mountain wasn't much: 200-ish vertical feet (pushed up from an original 30-footer) with a quad chair and a bunch of ropetows. Here was the 2000 trailmap:But this little Michigan ski area – where both Newberry and I learned (partially, in my case), to ski – moved nearly 800,000 students through its beginner programs from 1961 to '94, according to the Michigan Lost Ski Areas Project.It's been closed since 2017. Something about the snowmaking system that's either too hard or too expensive to fix. That leaves Michigan's Tri-Cities – Midland, Bay City, and Saginaw, with a total metro population approaching 400,000 – with no functioning ski area. Snow Snake is only about 40 minutes north of Midland, and Mt. Holly is less than an hour south of Saginaw. But Apple Mountain, tucked into the backwoods behind Freeland, sat dead in the middle of the triangle. It was accessible to almost any schoolkid, and, humble as it was, stoked that fire for thousands of what became lifelong skiers.What skiing has lost without Apple Mountain is impossible to calculate. I would argue that it was one of the more important ski areas anywhere. Winters in mid-Michigan are long, cold, snowy, and dull. People need something to do. But skiing is not an obvious solution: this is the flattest place you can imagine. To have skiing – any skiing – in the region was a joy and a novelty. There was no redundancy, no competing ski center. And so the place was impossibly busy at all times, minting skiers who would go off to start ski newsletters and run huge resorts on the other side of the country.The most frustrating fact about Apple Mountain is that it continues to operate as a conference center, golf course, and apple orchard. The ski lifts are intact, the slopes mowed in summertime. I stopped in two summers ago (I accidentally said “last summer,” implying 2023, on the podcast), and the place was immaculate:I haven't given up on Apple Mountain just yet. The hill is there, the market is there, and there is no shortage of people in Michigan – home to the second-most ski areas after New York – who know how to run a ski area. I told Ricky to tell Vail to buy it, which I am certain they will not do. But a solution must exist.On Mount Shasta and “the big mountain above it”Newberry references his time at “Mt. Shasta and the big mountain above it.” Here's what he meant by that: Mt. Shasta Ski Park is a mid-sized ski area seated on the lower portion of 14,179-foot Mt. Shasta. The lifts top out at 7,536 feet, even after an uphill expansion last ski season. The trailmap doesn't really capture the scale of it all (the ski area's vert is around 2,000 feet):Shasta is a temperamental (and potentially active) volcano. A previous ski area called Mt. Shasta Ski Bowl ran chairlifts up to 9,400 feet, but an avalanche wiped out the summit lift in 1978. Ski Bowl never ran again. Here's a nice history of the lost ski area:On Vail Resorts' timelineWe talk a lot about Vail's growth timeline. Here's the full roster, in order of acquisition:On HeavenlyWe discuss Heavenly - where Newberry spent a large part of his career - extensively. Here's the mountain's trailmap for reference:On Ted LassoIf you haven't watched Ted Lasso yet, you should probably go ahead and do that immediately:On Ellen at Stevens PassNewberry mentioned “Ellen at Stevens Pass.” He was referring to Ellen Galbraith, the ski area's delightful general manager, who joined me on the podcast last year.On Vail's lift installations in the WestGiven its outsized presence in the ski zeitgeist, Vail actually operates very few ski areas in Western North America: five in Colorado, three in California, and one each in Utah, Washington, and British Columbia. The company has stood up 44 (mostly) new lifts at these 11 ski areas since 2012, with one puzzling exception: Kirkwood. Check this:Why is Big K getting stiffed? Newberry and I discuss.On Kirkwood's masterplanAs far as I know, Vail hasn't updated Kirkwood's Forest Service masterplan since acquiring the resort in 2012. But this 2007 map shows an older version of the plan and where potential lifts could go:I can't find a version with the proposed Timber Creek lift, which Newberry describes in the pod as loading near Bunny and TC Express and running up-mountain to the top of the bowls.On the shrinking border of Reuter BowlKirkwood's 2023-24 trailmap snuck in a little shrinkage: the border of Reuter Bowl, a hike-in zone on the resort's far edge, snuck south. Newberry explains why on the pod:On Kirkwood's short-lived surface liftsWe discuss a pair of surface lifts that appeared as Lift 15 on the trailmap from around 2008 to 2017. You can see them on this circa 2017 (earlier maps show this as one lift), trailmap:On The CirqueThe Cirque, a wicked labyrinth of chutes, cliffs, and rocks looming above the ski area, was, somewhat unbelievably, once inbounds terrain. This circa 1976 trailmap even shows a marked trail through this forbidden zone, which is now open only occasionally for freeride comps:On Kirkwood's parking changesKirkwood will implement the same parking-reservations policy next winter that Northstar and Heavenly began using last year. Here's a summary from the ski area's website:Skiers get pretty lit up about parking. But Vail is fairly generous with the workarounds, and a system that spreads traffic out (because everyone knows they'll get a spot), across the morning is a smart adjustment so long as we are going to continue insisting on the automobile as our primary mode of transport.On Saginaw, MichiganNewberry and I share a moment in which we discover we were both born in the same mid-sized Michigan city: Saginaw. Believe it or not, there's a song that starts with these very lyrics: “I was born, in Saginaw, Michigan…” The fact that this song exists has long puzzled me. It is kind of stupid but also kind of great. The Storm explores the world of lift-served skiing year-round. Join us.The Storm publishes year-round, and guarantees 100 articles per year. This is article 40/100 in 2024, and number 540 since launching on Oct. 13, 2019. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.stormskiing.com/subscribe

The Peterson Field Guide to Bird Sounds of Western North America: I love this resource for bird identification through sound!

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Sybil and Fred are back for Season 3 and joined by their good friend David Secord to discuss the best and worst of philanthropy. They share their personal stories and lessons learned from decades working in the philanthropic world.Episode Highlights:Personal lessons learned working in philanthropy.Examples of donor behavior to emulate or avoid.Fred Ackerman-Munson Bio:Fred has spent the last 20 years as Executive Director of the 444S Foundation in Bellevue, WA. During that time the Foundation has granted over $50 million to organizations working to protect wildlands and wildlife in Western North America. For 7 years prior to that Fred was Deputy Director of Conservation Northwest where he led The Cascades Conservation Partnership and Loomis Forest Campaigns that together raised over $100 million dollars to purchase and protect over 70,000 acres of forest in Washington's Cascades Mountains. During that same time Fred also consulted on campaign design, grantmaking and evaluation for numerous foundations including Pew, Oak, Brainerd and Ploughshares. For 12 years before that, Fred was Regional Campaign Director for Greenpeace, where he researched, developed, and implemented numerous successful campaigns on solid and toxic waste, energy, and fisheries issues. Fred has 4 kids in college and lives with the love of his life on a small horse farm in Damascus, Oregon.David Secord Bio:After 20 years in foundation and university leadership jobs, David established Barnacle Strategies as an independent consulting and volunteering platform. From a home base on an island in BC, David works with partners in Canada, the United States, and sometimes farther afield. David enjoys variety, so at a given time, consulting clients might include foundations and funder affinity groups, partnership-oriented academic and research institutions, Indigenous people's organizations, and big or small NGOs. Projects and advising tend toward the creative and relevant, often integrating environmental, socioeconomic, and biocultural strategies - especially place-based ones. David also helps organizations recruit outstanding talent by managing executive searches and keeping fresh by serving on several volunteer boards.If you enjoyed this episode, listen to these as well:https://www.doyourgood.com/blog/14-david-secordhttps://www.doyourgood.com/blog/137-David-Secordhttps://www.doyourgood.com/blog/12-pam-fujita-yuhas-zoe-rothchildCrack the Code: Sybil's Successful Guide to PhilanthropyBecome even better at what you do as Sybil teaches you the strategies and tools you'll need to avoid mistakes and make a career out of philanthropy.Sybil offers resources including free mini-course videos, templates, checklists, and words of advice summarized in easy to review pdfs. Check out Sybil's website with all the latest opportunities to learn from Sybil at https://www.doyourgood.comConnect with Do Your Goodhttps://www.facebook.com/doyourgoodhttps://www.instagram.com/doyourgoodWould you like to talk with Sybil directly?Send in your inquiries through her website https://www.doyourgood.com/ or you can email her directly at sybil@doyourgood.com.

Hey everyone, it's JD here with Pete and Tim, and we've got an exciting episode for you as we explore the Tragically Hip's 1994 album, Day for Night. This record holds a special place in my heart, and I can't wait to share my memories with Pete and Tim. Listen in as we discuss the album's unique nuances.As we examine the tracks on Day for Night, we also dive into the powerful lyricism of songs like Greasy Jungle and Nautical Disaster, uncovering the stories behind them. Our discussion also touches on the impact of the album's intro song, Grace, Too, setting the tone for the record and leaving a lasting impression on listeners.Join us as we reminisce about the days of midnight album releases and the significance of this record in the Tragically Hip's discography. Through our conversation, Pete and Tim share their first experiences with the band's music. So, whether you're a longtime fan or discovering the Tragically Hip for the first time, this episode is sure to be a nostalgic and enlightening journey through the world of Canadian rock history.0:00:00 - Speaker 1Hey, it's JD here and I'm with Pete and Tim and we have a really big announcement we want to make. Are you strapped in Good? Mark your calendars for Friday, september 1st, as long-sliced brewery brings to you getting hip to the hip on evening for the Downey Wend Jack Fund. 0:00:22 - Speaker 2Join us at the Rec Room in Toronto for a night of music, unity and making a meaningful impact. This event is dedicated to honoring the legacy of the tragically hip, while supporting the Downey Wend Jack Fund. 0:00:32 - Speaker 3Immerse yourself in a powerful tribute performance by 50 Mission, celebrating timeless classics that have shaped Canadian rock history. We'll also wrap up the podcast in a memorable way by doing our finale live that evening, but it doesn't stop there. 0:00:48 - Speaker 1This event is all about making a difference. So we've got a silent auction with prizes. you've got to see, from Blue Jays tickets to tragically hip ephemera to kitchen appliances. If you're looking for something cool, chances are you'll find it at our silent auction. 0:01:05 - Speaker 2All proceeds for the evening will go directly to the Downey Wend Jack Fund supporting healing, reconciliation and positive changes for Indigenous communities. 0:01:13 - Speaker 3Tickets are on sale June 1st and can be picked up by visiting gettinghippetothehipcom and clicking on finale. 0:01:21 - Speaker 1By attending Getting Hip to the Hip, you're not only enjoying a night of incredible music and comedy, but also contributing to a brighter future. Join a community of like-minded individuals who believe in the power of music and unity. 0:01:35 - Speaker 2Tickets are only $40, so mark your calendars and visit our webpage to secure your spot at this unforgettable event to celebrate the hip with fellow hip fans. 0:01:45 - Speaker 3Getting Hip to the Hip. An evening for the Downey Wend Jack Fund promises to be an experience that leaves a lasting impact. Please join us at the Rec Room in Toronto on September 1st and be part of something truly meaningful. We'd love to see you there. 0:02:11 - Speaker 1It's nearly 10.30 pm on September 23rd 1994. I'm on the 106 bus riding from York University to Wilson Station. during my first year at the institution, i was on a mission to pick up the latest effort by my favourite band, the highly anticipated Day for Night. Since mid-summer of 1993, i'd been going bananas over the song Nautical Disaster, first introduced to me during my 19th birthday. It was at another roadside attraction, and as the band launched into New Orleans as Syncon they jammed through the now classic cut in spectacular fashion. However, it wasn't until the Kumbaya Festival early in September of that same year that I finally heard the track on tape. My friend Heather had come home from university having recorded the festival on DHS. We quickly dubbed the video to cassette and now I was off to the races From there. it took until Canada Day of 1994 before I heard anything else from the record. The hip played the gig with a chip on their shoulder, as many of the fans had acted brorish and disrespectful towards many of the opening acts, including Daniel and Locke. The set was heavily peppered with songs from Day for Night and I liked what I heard. As I got off the subway and approached HMV, it was nearing midnight. The new album would be in my hands soon and I could listen without the distraction of frapples throwing bottles towards the stage. From the first notes of Grace II, this one felt different, especially after the slick polish of fully completely or the bar blues of the prior two records. This was a band hitting its stride and understanding exactly where it fit into the fabric of the rock and roll paradigm. But that was then. Today I'm tasked with taking Pete and Tim into my memories and hoping to goodness this one sticks the landing for them. We'll soon find out on this episode of Getting Hip to the Hip. Long Sliced Brewery Presents Getting Hip to the Hip. Hey, it's JD here and welcome to Getting Hip to the Hip, a Tragically Hip podcast where we go through the discography of the hip with two folks who have never heard of the band before. So, while they're having their first experience listening to the music, you can revisit yours. Send me an email, jd, at GettingHipToTheHipcom, with your first experience with the Tragically Hip. It would be great to hear those, as we listen to Pete and Tim, describe theirs. Speaking of Pete and Tim, they are most certainly ready to be released from their protective hatches. I will push the button now and they are there. They are on their platforms. they're they're levitating platforms. How are you doing, fellas? 0:05:22 - Speaker 2Hey guys, Oh sorry. 0:05:26 - Speaker 1He nodded his head. 0:05:29 - Speaker 2I nodded my head for all you out there in radio land. 0:05:32 - Speaker 3That's my favorite aspect of podcasts. 0:05:35 - Speaker 1He loves theater of the mind. Sorry about that. Yeah, that's great. What's new? 0:05:42 - Speaker 2Oh man, it's new. Back in the saddle, man, you know. back to work today, like I said, struggling with a little bit of jet lag, but other than that, i mean I, i how much time we got JD. I could. Could tell you a lot of what's going on, but I don't know. Put you guys to sleep, tim. What's going on with you man? 0:06:08 - Speaker 3Oh, just cranking on. the week getting started here And last week was, to be honest, kind of rough, so I'm hoping this week's good. That's. that's what I'm counting on. 0:06:18 - Speaker 1Fingers across for you, fellas, both of you, to avail yourself from the. Jag, the Jag lat the jet lag and for you to feel better this week. 0:06:29 - Speaker 2Did you try to? did you try to call me a jackoff right now? 0:06:33 - Speaker 1Is that what you're trying to call me? No, i said jet lag, but I said it wrong. Jag lift, jag off. Yeah, i'm all right, i can't complain. We've got a new puppy dog and she's pretty awesome So far. She's having a nap on the bed right now. She spent the morning in her crate, so you know, we've been letting her run free this afternoon, or I have been letting her run free this afternoon. So, yeah, that's really irrespective of nothing. But Who named her? I did. 0:07:09 - Speaker 2Nice. 0:07:10 - Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, that's my last naming job that I get to do, though. 0:07:15 - Speaker 2I gotta ask you, michael Keaton, george Clooney, val Kilmer, christian Bale, robert Pattinson- I guess I'm a bailperson at this point. I would have. I would have also. The judges would have also accepted Adam West Michael. 0:07:34 - Speaker 1Keaton. Oh, adam West, yeah, sure, sure, yeah. 0:07:39 - Speaker 2Michael Keaton. Michael Keaton was great, but yeah, christian Bale was. Those movies were so amazing. 0:07:43 - Speaker 1Oh, it was Batmania, just Batmania, when Keaton and Tim Burton put that whole thing together. 0:07:52 - Speaker 2Oh yeah, Tim, were you a fan. 0:07:54 - Speaker 3No opinion. 0:07:55 - Speaker 2Okay, you're fleeting the fifth on this one. 0:07:59 - Speaker 1Yeah, no opinion, okay. So we're here today to talk about the fourth long play from the Tragically HIP, their fifth output at this point. This came out in 1994, to be exact, it came out the third week of my first year of university and they did a midnight album release. So, like all the record stores were open, they would be open all day and then they would close at nine and then they would reopen at midnight so they could sell the record, because it was the next day, it was Tuesday, so it was like Monday night at midnight you would go and get the record before anybody else. 0:08:42 - Speaker 2I remember that Tower used to do that too. 0:08:44 - Speaker 1Right, it was a cool fad and it's just. 0:08:48 - Speaker 2you know it's got like It was Tuesday you said right, That's right. 0:08:51 - Speaker 1Records always came out on Tuesdays. 0:08:53 - Speaker 2And there's a reason for that, and somebody told me the reason. I can't remember, but there was a reason. There's a distinct reason why that was the case, right. 0:09:01 - Speaker 1Okay. Well, if you out there know what it is, use social and let us know. Or shoot us an email at JD, pete or Tim at getting hip to the hipcom. This record means a lot to me. So you know, i'm not going to. I'm not going to beat around the bush this time. Or I am going to no, i'm not going to beat around the bush this time, i'm going to lay it all out right now and say I fucking love this record. So you know, let that not impact your scores. But there may be some arguments because it's just got the, it's got the crisscross of hitting a sweet spot for me with my favorite band at the time and coming out temporarily at just the right time you know to to build a culture around. you know it was produced by the hip with assistance from Howard and Freakin I believe it's Mark Howard and Mark Freakin. Freakin I want to say sound guy for the hip You can listen to fully and completely to get the all, the, all, the detailed information. We always went through that stuff in a big way on that show And this is not what this one's about. This is an addendum. So the label was MCA. This is again another MCA release for the hip Looks in at a record 59 minutes 26 seconds, you know, just a almost an hour. Singles It had six singles. Grace, two was a single, it was the first. One came out right before the record dropped. Greasy jungle was the second one. Nautical disaster was the third one. So hard done by then scared, and then thugs, and I believe that thugs was almost, you know, a full year after the record came out. So this one had legs. All music rated this record a 3.5 or part of me a three out of five, much lower than fully completely, which was the record before this, which got a 4.5 out of five. So a three. Very interesting, very, very interesting, grace. Start off the top with your initial thoughts on this record, mr Leiden. 0:11:32 - Speaker 3I felt it was long, you know, and realize pretty quickly that we were getting some extra songs. What else about it? I did notice some recording kind of changes or uplifts as far as production value goes, which is cool. What else about it? There are some certain songs on there which I absolutely dug. I ended up listening to the first half of the album several times I want to say struggled through to get through the whole album in a sitting, but I just kept finding myself starting over at certain points. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we can talk about that more. 0:12:16 - Speaker 1I mean, it's definitely a long record, And could I edit this record? Sure, i could. I'm not going to ever say which songs I would potentially edit out, because they're all my babies and I just couldn't say it, but I secretly know which ones I'd get rid of. Tim, you have been looking for an album. You've been searching for an album throughout this podcast. You know you've talked about Pizza with the Works, you've talked about Mishmash's and collections of songs produced together to round out an album, but it seems to me as though you are seeking not necessarily a concept, but a conceit, and I would have thought that paid off with fully, completely. It didn't. So how about this record? I? 0:13:06 - Speaker 3don't think I'm quite there yet, but I'm close. Okay, i was expecting this album to be maybe more, maybe more concise, since they were driving and had more control, i don't know. I think that just the fact that it was a couple songs longer in the cadence of all the songs and really looking at where their place and all those things that I like to do, you know, it checked a lot of boxes for me, but I didn't. I didn't finish listening to it in a take and go oh yeah, now I'm here. Pretty close though, but I'm pretty close, jd, tell us, tell us, you know, when it came out at 12.01, were you in line buying it, or when did you listen to it? Like, what do you recall from your first listen to this album and how you felt and why it's your fave? 0:14:00 - Speaker 1Well, again, it's got that crossroads right of like culture and time and place And they were my favorite band so it was like so exciting to be in Toronto and buying it right away, because before I would have had to buy it the next day, there had been some concerts leading up to the release of this record where they had dribbled some breadcrumbs of what this record was going to entail And it was so cool to hear it And, more importantly for me, after the very slick sounding fully, completely, i love the. Well, you guys both know that I'm into lo-fi music and this isn't necessarily lo-fi, but this sounds much more self-produced, right Like. It sounds like it's recorded by people who are making their first record in a good way, in a really good way, like it's so fresh sounding after what. The last group of records that we heard were more slick and polished and that sort of bar rock thing. I've always said. This was the record where the Tragically Hip revealed that it hasn't been beer that's been fueling them all these years. It's weed, like they're a total weed band, and this record was the first one that reminded me of that. The rest of the records are sort of beer Okay okay, you know. Yeah, i've had 30 years to gestate on that, though, so bear that in mind. Now Pete has blood pouring out of his mouth right now. He's chewing his tongue off. You know He's dying to jump in here. What does he have to say about all this hullabaloo? 0:15:43 - Speaker 2Well, real quick. You mentioned that this was three out of five, and fully and completely was 4.5 out of five. Who's the company? 0:15:55 - Speaker 1I always use all music. I always use all music, all music, yeah. 0:15:59 - Speaker 2Yeah, they got their heads up their asses, because I don't even remotely see how this is less on the point scale than fully and completely, because I thought this record was fucking awesome. I agree that I felt the same way. That kind of Tim felt that it was a bit lengthy. I felt myself starting at a number of times and struggling a little bit to get through some ladder parts. There's certainly some areas where they could trim the fat, if you will. I'm not going to say which ones they are, but it was like for a band that's producing their first. It's their first go at producing a record themselves. It's kind of like it's just a little too much. It's like going out on a great first date, dinner's great, movie's great go back to the house. Sex is great. Oh, first date That your date's like hey, do you ever want to have kids? You know, it's like. It's like totally could've just done without saying that and the night would've been perfect. Like they just say that, they just ask that. Like on their way out It's like, oh, okay, doesn't mean you're not going to go out with them again, but it's, you know, i love it. I love it. 0:17:30 - Speaker 3I'll leave it there for now to let you say You know, i'll just quickly add on that very you know, very similar token that I had with it. I'm curious to hear the next albums And then to again look back at specific albums to see how I feel about them, because this is probably one. You know you are so excited. You know there's a trilogy of movies coming out on something that you love And you see the first one and you're like God, i hope the next two movies are just as good. Maybe the next one is pretty good or better, and you're like, oh shit, this is going to be great. You know, it's kind of I'm leaning towards that. I'm excited to revisit some of these to see how I feel in a couple of months. Hopefully I won't be like dude, i'm done you guys. No, that's not going to be the case. But yeah, i'm anxious to revisit the future for sure, because this is probably one of those albums. 0:18:30 - Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, i'll be interested to see that too. Maybe again we will have like a 10 year reunion. Pete mentioned that in the last episode. You know we should go back 10 years. Oh, we might. So who knows, maybe we will revisit this on whatever platform the kids are listening to in the future. I'm sure they'll be nuclear powered or something OK. So here's something new An intro song that doesn't just like open with a kick to your ass. It opens in a much different way. It still manages to kick your ass, but in a much different way. It doesn't have like a lick off the top like little bones or courage for human clenin, you know. It just doesn't have or blow a high dough. It doesn't have that same sort of whoop in the butt. It's a taste of like this is what you're going to get. I think You know it's a little bit of like setting the table. It's because you're listening to it and you're like whoa, this isn't the hip that I left behind a year and a half ago. 0:20:08 - Speaker 6Come on, just let's go. She kind of bit her left Geez, I don't know. But I can guarantee That we're now not gonna do. I'm told no proof That we're not gonna do. That's what I'm here for. I come from downtown. I'm already familiar. I'm with the low and weaks of our nation. That's what I'm here for. 0:21:46 - Speaker 7The secret rules of engagement are hard to endure. 0:21:57 - Speaker 6When the appearance of conflict again surrender means the appearance of force. Uncle, uncle, i can guarantee, i can guarantee There'll be no knock on the door. I can guarantee. I'm total proud. That's what I'm prepared for. Yeah, i've come from downtown. I'm ready for you. I'm ready to scale. And it's frustration. I'm ready to scale. And it's frustration. I'm ready to scale. And it's frustration. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 0:25:07 - Speaker 7No, no, no, no, no, no. Thank you, music lovers. On behalf of our crew the finest crew in the business, ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of Robbie Gordy, johnny Paul, mr Jim Bryson on Keys, us musicians and the crew and everybody here tonight, we want to thank you. Thank you, music lovers. Thank you and Merci beaucoup. Summer on. Summer on take care of each other, drive the speed limit, wear a life jacket. 0:26:24 - Speaker 2Summer on you mentioned setting the table and I agree. And it's saying that it's a different band. That's like the one of the first things that wrote down. I feel like to be honest with you. I like this song so much. I feel like kind of it's just stupid even talking about it like it's such an honestly, it's a fucking banger. And I think I had sent to you guys in the group text like the SNL performance of this song. Yeah, it's just, it's jaw-dropping. Yeah, it's. It's the line about just. I looked at the phrasing, i looked at the lyrics and the way he did he wrote the lyrics and it's just so cool. Sorry, i wish I could articulate it better, but the rules of engagement are hard to endorse. Yeah, like is this I read a little bit online that it was you know about like a man propositioning a prostitute or a young girl. But I'm also like, is this a song about war? is this like an anti-war line that he's throwing in there? is it a double and tongue girl? I don't know, but I don't know. I could say a million things about this song, but I'll hand it over to to mr Leiden. 0:27:54 - Speaker 3I'm. I'm pretty much in the same boat. I heard this song and I immediately thought this is a stellar hip song. I can't wait to hear the rest of the album. But instead of like really going to the rest of the album, i immediately found the first live version I could find on a Google search, because I thought this song is, is gotta be, you know, quintessential live hip song and that's that's kind of where I went and I ended up finding the, the Woodstock 99. If you guys haven't watched any of the documentary about Woodstock 99, please do. It was a just the demise of Western North America, usa culture right there. But anyways, this recording, this video recording of the band at Woodstock 99, is so good, like chills on my arms, like Goose Pimples, it was just fucking amazing. This, this song. You know, i was basically like okay, that's, that's my single. Should I listen to the rest of the album? I'm pretty happy right now didn't they do. 0:29:12 - Speaker 2What did they do? a 94 and a 99, or did they just do 99 just? 0:29:19 - Speaker 3I think the documentary it's a 99 one, where they set everything on fire and tore down all the stages and rated the food trucks and 99 all those things. And then, you know, with this song in particular, i was anxious to hear the band doing their own thing without, you know, managers or producers looming over them. And there were a couple different things I heard, which are even more so on certain songs. But the drums sounded a little different, a little bigger. Maybe the bass was a little bit more engaged with drumming. And there's there's been some times when the bass is kind of funky feeling, just like really in it there was some kind of I don't know, pete, you might know, but there was some echo, really echoey guitar effects. 0:30:12 - Speaker 2I got, i got that written which were pretty cool. 0:30:15 - Speaker 3Yeah, it was kind of the song just hit all the boxes had kind of this transcendental gonna take you on a journey. You know, i liked it so much I was like I don't even care what it's about, this is just a great listen yeah. 0:30:32 - Speaker 1Tim you talking about. You know the drums being bigger and you know the production just sounding. You know bigger and you know with with some of the guitar effects a lot of it has to do with. They went back to New Orleans but this time they went to that Daniel Inwas studio and the Kingsway studio, which is just a big old house and you know they would do stuff like bedsheets over the stairwells and you know, just like like home studio tricker, but on a bigger, bolder scale, because this house has so many nooks and crannies that you can get different sounds of the different spaces. And they took advantage of that, which is very different from the, the path they took on the record prior. 0:31:22 - Speaker 2Okay, daredevil so daredevil this, the skipping start that they did. Yeah, i feel like that was. So this was. What year was this? again? GD 94, 94. So I feel like I mean that was the height of like CDs like were where literally everybody had a CD player, wasn't like the early days. So I feel like maybe it was a. It was a joke to to make people think their CD was skipped, because if you ever bought a CD and you were unfortunate to buy a scratch CD that was brand new and it skipped, you were fucking pissed. Oh yeah, so that was cool, that was unique. This song certainly does sound way better in the car. I don't know if it's just specifically my car, because I have a pretty good sounds. 0:32:26 - Speaker 3It's the premium audio system. Is that what you guys kept saying? 0:32:30 - Speaker 6premium audio. 0:32:31 - Speaker 3I think we're at a point for an acronym for pass sound system everybody everybody listening. 0:32:37 - Speaker 1How about a? 0:32:38 - Speaker 3t-shirt yeah, if I get, if I get through this. 0:32:41 - Speaker 1Okay, these guys only a ride in Pete's car, the big that dooby or there should be a bingo card where the you know, every time you hear Pete say premium audio sound system, you tick the box, or and then there's of course the free square, and then, if you hear me say so, there's that geez, we're going to Malaga. 0:33:15 - Speaker 3There's this guy there with this premium audio system and he gives people rides. 0:33:22 - Speaker 2I'm just saying that because I'm due you're doing yeah, for sure $25 a song I'm good I think that'd be cool. I think a job this no, this song. Tim mentioned something about the, this bass. You were JD, you were talking about the, the studio and all the trickery. But yeah, this is the first one where I write down the like the guitar solos, for example. They seem way less defined on this record, and I don't mean it in a bad way, i mean it in a way that and then there was a really cool oscillation effect maybe a little more jam. 0:34:13 - Speaker 3I don't know if you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, i think the flavor is kind of gelled together more the oscillation effect. 0:34:24 - Speaker 2If you've ever heard the the song real emotional trash on the album, real emotional trash yeah, that Steve Malkomis song I know this came before that, but whatever he's using on that guitar solo is exactly the same effect they're using on their level because that oscillation of the guitar is just. It's so cool. I wish I was cool enough to know what it was to ever be able to use myself, because it's fucking rad. Anyway, i dug this song a lot. I really liked it. 0:34:59 - Speaker 1What do you think? what do you think they're damn? 0:35:03 - Speaker 3I did too. I think, yeah, i love the drummer just counting it off at the beginning. That that made it feel like maybe more home recording type scenario. This song, this song, like I was wishing I was in a bar, just like sitting at the bar pull-up and just I felt like I could be watching the band, you know. But it was like the barkeep and the kitchen people and I don't know. This, this one, this one kind of took me in a different direction than than many. After the one minute mark maybe this is kind of what you're talking about, pete like with the guitar and drums it gets kind of heavier or more layer layered. It felt like locomotive, like this train's just really going story wise, i mean, that's probably a podcast itself to talk about Annie Edison Taylor and going over the falls aspect of this one I love. The line in the real wonder of the world is that we don't jump to. Yes, you know, that's. That to me is like it delivers something inspiring. The song is like get out and get after it. Step out, you know, jump off that cliff, you have 50% chance of surviving if you survive. It's gonna be awesome and if you die, it'll be awesome. You know, this sounds really. It really is really cool. 0:36:40 - Speaker 1Where do we go next? we hit track three, and that's greasy jungle. Take it, tim greasy jungle. 0:36:48 - Speaker 3This one, the snares really snappy. I felt like this is where you're kind of hearing different recording, maybe aspects. When I say snappy snare, it's like tuned tighter. Maybe you know there's lots of film references here in this song which we've gotten before. There's congas, like. There's some hand drumming at some point in the song, i believe, which is. I was just like kind of tuned into the drums on this one. Obviously that's a background effect, but a new layer. There's a definitely a new crash cymbal, like there was some new drum gear right on this album. There's a new crash cymbal that's really bright. That's always kind of gets my attention. I didn't realize first few listens that it was like dirty streets, metropolis, correlation with greasy jungle. I didn't know what the heck it was about. You know I didn't for a song three. I always like hope that this is the one that's gonna get maybe somebody around the bases at bat. You know that they're gonna push, push it through and this one didn't do it as much for me. I was more kind of like okay, what's, what's next with. 0:38:21 - Speaker 1This one didn't grab me so much one of the cool little Gord Downey stories is the lyric that you're just talking about metropolis noir. It sounds so elegant and mysterious at the same time. But metropolis noir is a name he saw on a bag of coffee, it's. It's like French roasts, but in French it wasn't French roasts, it was a dark roast or something, or Italian roast. 0:39:00 - Speaker 3Dark roasts. Dark roasts, italian roasts. 0:39:02 - Speaker 1I forget which one it was, but it translated, because everything in Canada has to have a French label and a Canadian label. It translated to matropolis noir. So that's just one of those little things he stuck in his notebook. and then he's writing this greasy jungle, matropolis noir. And all of a sudden you've got this setting and then it takes you on that little story for funeral home sandwiches and coffee. Oh delicious Yeah. 0:39:33 - Speaker 3Yeah, i think that I also read that it maybe referenced a diner that he worked at that had the same name. Oh really, did you guys know that? Yeah, yeah, greasy jungle. Greasy jungle Sounds like a good diner though. 0:39:48 - Speaker 2Yeah, jd, you said French roasts, and it's funny because I always think I don't remember the name of the comedian, but in France they just call it roast, just like Tim and I's definition of Canadian bacon is actually just bacon for you right, JD, No I can't remember the comedian who did that bit, but, tim, i couldn't disagree with you more on this one. However, i will tell you. 0:40:25 - Speaker 1Tim, you're ignorant slut. 0:40:30 - Speaker 3Yes. 0:40:31 - Speaker 2I'm done. I sort of felt like that the first time I heard it And the more I. This was one where I kept digging Actually I didn't really have to do much work, but just the more I listened to it the more I was like okay, i get it. I get why this was a single. This is a banger on the phrasing on it. The vocal phrasing absolute A. Plus another great car song on the solos, super experimental, like again. It's cool, because it's not. Most of the guitar on this record is not like this. It's not a producer going. 0:41:11 - Speaker 1Okay, boys, let's lay down the solo. This is where we're going to put the solo here. Give me 32 bars, let's go. 0:41:18 - Speaker 232 bars, yeah, like it just it's so cool and it's not like that. And this song is the first although not as much, because there's another one we'll bring up and I'm sure you guys know which one it is But this is the first song where I really hear that the influence this band had on a Linus Morrisette. Oh wow, Oh yeah, There's another song on this record that we'll get to. That is clearly. It's clearly. She was sitting in her room listening to this record prior to recording Jagged Little Pill, like which I can't remember what year that came out. 0:42:04 - Speaker 1What year did that come out? It came out, i want to say the summer of 95 was when the was when she broke, when she exploded. 0:42:13 - Speaker 3Yeah, is she a fan? Is she a fan? 0:42:16 - Speaker 2She's a great musician and she's Canadian, so I would be hard pressed to think she's not. At least, i didn't mind. Oh yeah, she's Canadian. Yeah, you fuck her, stick together. So I saw her live in 2018 in LA and she just, i mean, fucking blew the roof off the place. Oh man, it was, it was, it was insane. 0:42:40 - Speaker 1Anyway, my wife had tickets to the 25th anniversary tour of Jagged Little Pill and it got canceled due to COVID. So, yeah, total drag. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, i'm, i'm on your side there, pete. As far as Greasy Jungle goes, next one is a cool thing that I don't know if this is something that pre-existed. You know, i don't know if somebody had taken a photograph and of a dog, you know, with its teeth bared, and wondered aloud if it had been yawning or snarling. Because, like, since that time, i've seen so many photos that I say that line in my head. You know, there's so many photos that they're captured and we feel something right away, but then you have to sort of open your mind and go well, wait a minute, maybe that feeling that I'm feeling isn't the right feeling. You know, it was just the way the photo was captured. It could have been yawning or snarling, and that sort of kicks us off. 0:44:08 - Speaker 5The cops go into the crowd under a glaring platter of light and the music's just so loud and the tourists take their t-shirts off and a bus load of kids and gifts to the finger Afternoon, when the sidewalk's hot and the shadows too chilly to linger. 0:44:50 - Speaker 6Both we're in the escuchians and at the bar, and people are helming Downtown. Never, ever been. 0:45:06 - Speaker 5Now just wait for me, I'm gonna resurface. 0:45:17 - Speaker 6I take a look at this photo girl. I don't know how clearly it's taken away. 0:45:28 - Speaker 5I'm gonna get out of here. I never saw it. The picture is never clear. 0:45:41 - Speaker 6I'm gonna make a decision. I mean an incarceration, i mean so much. One night in El Paso, the cops fall into the crowd Under a throbbing bladder of light And the music is just so loud And the tourists turn their TVs off. The box is apart with the sound of a linger Night time when the shadows come And you tilt to the tips of your fingers. But that's the way it goes in our region. I'm so strong, i'm making a chance Downtown, never ever been. Now just wait for you to resurface. Take a look at this photograph. How clearly it's taken away. He could have been the artist, not an artist. This picture is never clear. I'm so good at this photo, girl. How clearly it's taken away. I'm gonna get out of here. 0:47:48 - Speaker 5I'm in a slumber. The story is never clear. Walks right into a Mardi Gras parade. We're touring the south at the bottom of the beard. 0:48:28 - Speaker 2Yonnie and Snarling I first listened to. This record was my favorite song And that was, with my, everything I love about Grace too, it starts out very mad season. I don't know if you know that band. 0:48:52 - Speaker 1Yeah, that was the supergroup right. 0:48:54 - Speaker 2Yeah, that was the supergroup of Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains And that record. When did that record come out? Did it come out in 1993? Maybe, so they were active in 1994 to 1996, So maybe it's the same time, I don't know. Anyway, it starts out like the first and it builds. I don't know. I just loved it. I could say so much about the instrumentation, But lyrically, I don't know if you've got a line on exactly what it's about JD, But there's some historical references in there And talking about El Paso, he brings up the Mexican US border there. I'm pretty sure that runs through the 100th Meridian, Oh wow now, i know that. I could be wrong, but it just kind of feels like it's going, like Cordoni's really going in. He's a big fan of these historical references. I don't know, i dug it. What's saying you, tim? 0:50:11 - Speaker 3I dug it. I think when I first heard it started up I was thinking Okay, here's the spooky, sinister Pipps song of the album Which we often get. You know, if any song that I hear I hear a reference about El Paso or the Rio Grande, it's usually something heavy. It's not about going tubing and fishing and having fun. So yeah, there's a line in there about the cops go into the crowd Throbbing bladder of light. You know, i'd love that phrase, throbbing bladder of light. The music is so loud nighttime when the shadows cough Like this. Lyrically, the song's loaded, it's just it's really really big. I just, you know, somebody beat up and throw it in the river. This is an early song there's a moody guitar ending, i think throughout the song. The bass to me I'm always kind of honing in. It's funny because Pete's on guitar and I'm on bass and drums, which is cool, but the bass is a little punchier, like it's tuned up or I don't know. This one had definitely some home, you know, if they recorded it in the house. I'm just gonna call it home production because it's basically what it was, even if it was like Super Pro Studio, like there's some little things in there that I heard for sure. It's an interesting song. It's pretty cool It was. It's kind of an early song to me. I stuck with it a few times. 0:51:58 - Speaker 1Cool. What's next? It's number five. We're at five. Fire in the hole. 0:52:07 - Speaker 3Yeah, let's fire. Fire in the hole is fucking cool. And I say that because I heard kind of this 90s grungy punk influence with this one, even though it's not like super fast or anything. But then when I started reading into it, you know, because I figured it had something to do with fascism and Nazis And I don't know. There's something you know angry here. There's some different ties to Sonic Youth's Youth, sonic Youth's Youth Against Fascism song. It's very I don't want to say very similar, but there's definitely some things shared. You know, that was a time for me. It was a time of really getting into, like crunchy guitars, a little bit more experimentation, faster rhythms. You know this song, for a hip song maybe, is like a little bit tougher. It's a little bit tougher. And I also just thought you know by its own name and chorus that this one is probably ruckus live. It's probably just fun and, you know, fist in the air. 0:53:30 - Speaker 2Yeah, i agree, i agree, this is a banger for sure. The guitar work on it I definitely. I mean it's weird, i don't know because I'm not the biggest Guns N' Roses fan, but you know, slash's Les Paul guitar tone is pretty distinct, you know, when you hear it, and the guitar tone on this song that he's playing some lines sounds, i mean, identical. It doesn't sound like Guns N' Roses, of course the song doesn't, but that guitar tone just was so reminiscent of that And it kind of made me think, okay, so they're like trying to, they're trying to shed some older skin from the previous records, but you know, it's sort of like you can take the. You know, take the what out of the what, but you can't take the what out of the what. They still got it in their roots. You know what I mean. 0:54:35 - Speaker 1Yeah. 0:54:38 - Speaker 2So that's definitely there. And then, yeah, this is one like the obviously Grace too. I mean that's sort of like the flagship of this record. But this is another song where you're like, okay, gord's found his voice. He's really, you know, If the band is his recliner, like whenever he gets up, you can see his ass imprint. It is always there. He's found his voice. The chair is sunk. It's sunk in. Does that make sense What I'm trying to say? Yeah, he's. Yeah, he's been in that chair so long now for a number of records that it's just comforts Like he's found it. 0:55:29 - Speaker 1He knows where he's at. He's in the groove. He's in the groove Like he's absolutely. And to me, guys, isn't this the heaviest that we've ever heard them. Or is there something on Foley that might be? No, i think you're right, i do. 0:55:46 - Speaker 3I think it's up there. I think it's up there. 0:55:48 - Speaker 1Yeah, because you were saying fast and I was thinking to my head, I was like yeah, it is fast. It's fast and heavy, Like this is a great song alive. 0:55:54 - Speaker 2This is like Foo Fighters, Fast Like I was like whoa. 0:55:59 - Speaker 1Yeah, because it's still, it's still. 0:56:05 - Speaker 3It's interesting. You went to guns and roses. I don't know why I didn't go there Like I. Just I didn't hear that reference, but I want to go back. 0:56:14 - Speaker 2Just the guitar, just the guitar time. 0:56:17 - Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:56:19 - Speaker 2For me oftentimes that doesn't mean something positive, Just yeah you know, outside of them anybody else I hear sounding like remotely like guns and roses. You just kind of go, eh you know. But I think it was just weird that Tom was there because coming up the hip I feel were such a that was. That was what most bands were sounding like back then. 0:56:49 - Speaker 3I don't know. Yeah, maybe 50 mission cap or something. Oh yeah, yeah, this one, you know. 0:56:56 - Speaker 1Yeah, you might be right, You might be and you might be so hard done by. 0:57:00 - Speaker 2So hard done by. To be honest with you, this is probably my least favorite of the of the record. Hey, we're in the break. Yeah, i just didn't. Yeah, i thought it was, i thought it was a cool chorus, but I just I kept thinking about, like, what would I say about the song? And it's just, you know, maybe in the 10 year reunion by then I'll have something. but this song, sorry, i wish I had I had more for it, but I really just don't. 0:57:42 - Speaker 3I'm with you a bit. I heard Allison Chains right away And I don't think it's like it's not like 100% Allison Chains. That's who I thought of And I'm starting to hear, you know, and occasional references to bands that we're doing well during this time And I'm not a big Allison Chains fan by any means, but it's. you know, there's still some lyric nuggets in here I love. you'll have to wait a minute. It's an en somatic Like. that to me is kind of a phrase of if you want, you know, beauty in life, it's not going to come to you right away. You got to, you got to deal. The ending is kind of rough. You know the yeah, i'm with you, pete. The ending is kind of rough. The snare is too snappy. The snare is like so snappy that it's like that's how you tune a snare for fucking punk rock songs with a high beat per minute. You know it just didn't. it just didn't. 0:58:45 - Speaker 1It's funny that you say that, because the original, like the demo version of this song is totally up tempo. Well so it's. It's a completely different song Me I. I think this is, i think it's fine, i think it's harkens back to like, like it could be on up to here, it could be on road apples. To me it's got that sleazy, not quite stone Z vibe. So I was really surprised to hear you say Alison chains, because I'm I'm going more of like the roots. You know, okay, that's, that's my vibe of John, but but that's, you know, this one, that's just how it was for sure. 0:59:30 - Speaker 3More filler had a rough ending and I was kind of glad it was like, okay, what's next? You want to? you want to add something, pete. 0:59:37 - Speaker 2Oh, all I was going to say was You know, that'd be cool if it was. I mean, maybe it is cool live. And I just just to comment that I always hate when you hear a band play a live version of a song and it's just fucking killer And that's the first way you hear it. And then you hear the studio version and it just absolutely blows. 0:59:59 - Speaker 3So yeah, i'm, i'm with you, I'm with you. Maybe this is that? 1:00:03 - Speaker 2But to answer your question, JD, what's next is not cool. I've actually heard JD sing this song. 1:00:12 - Speaker 1Oh, that's right, I did it. I did it for a, i did it for a hip podcast, like I do a pod list, just like I do for medium alchemists And I sang it. Is that that was right? Yeah, yeah. 1:00:27 - Speaker 3I dug it, I thought it. I thought it was what's, what's that pod JD had that he took off. It was like JD sings in the shower, Was it that one? 1:00:36 - Speaker 2That's what I wanted. Jd sings in the shower. There was a. There was a. There was a video version of the podcast too, but that was yeah that was that, the lovely fans. No, i remember hearing this and the first time you sent it to me I think I was already living in Malaga. But great tune, i, you know this, and JD, you, you, you explained to me what this song was about and I've since forgotten because my brain doesn't work anymore at my age, but I did get. I think the reason why we started talking about it in the first place was because we I mentioned to you the another great Canadian singer, gordon Lightfoot's Right, ricky Deven, if it's Gerald. And so you, you brought this song up and that's kind of how it came into my, my atmosphere, my airspace if you will. 1:01:44 - Speaker 1Well, those are forever linked for me, because the first time I saw this song played live Gordon, he introduced it live as a Canadian musician, would be complete without a song about a nautical disaster. 1:02:04 - Speaker 5This song is called nautical disaster. These are the Dh과a stations for brokers. 1:02:36 - Speaker 6NotOf cybersecurity. This is Darryl, i don't wanna sweat. Ha. What's wrong? What's going on? Can't tell yourself I'm a foreign team. He said hang on, just stop, shut your big mouth and gotta do what you feel is real. He got no peace and false gods Got no Sunni, my baby. She won't know me when I'm thinking about music. I'm a foreign team. Keep it going, man. 1:04:11 - Speaker 7Let's keep the wagon wheel going. Alright, i had this dream where I relished the fray And the screaming filled my head all day. I felt as though I'd been spinned here, Settled in into the pocket. 1:04:44 - Speaker 6In a lighthouse on some rocky socket Of the coast of France, dear One afternoon. Four thousand men died in the water Here And five hundred more repression, matthew, is parasite's life In your blood. Now I'm in a lifeboat Designed for ten. Ten on me. Anything that's systematic Would get you hated. It's not a deal, nor a test, Nor a love of something stated. The selection was quick, the crew was in order And those left in the water Got kicked off the padlock And we headed home. 1:06:24 - Speaker 7And in the dream and when the phone rings, we're doing alright. 1:06:30 - Speaker 6I set it out there Those days and nights, but only a fool would complain. Anyway, susan, if you'd like A conversation To say myself, in my memory Is those fingertips Scratching on my heart, and I'm in a lifeboat Designed for ten. Ten on me. 1:07:41 - Speaker 7Anything that's systematic Would get you hated. It's not a deal, nor a test, nor a love of something stated, no matter how hard it is. You see how hard it is, it's real hard. 1:08:27 - Speaker 5There's a lifeboat Hanging on a wire Sucking up to someone, just a stoke of fire. 1:08:35 - Speaker 7Picking up the highlights of the scenery, saw some little clouds. 1:08:50 - Speaker 5They looked a little like me. I had my hands in the river, my feet back up from banks, looked up to the Lord above, said he'd call me thanks. Some times I feel so good I've got to scream. Said 40 baby, i know exactly what you mean, he said. He said I swear to God. He said Now, now. 1:09:27 - Speaker 6Now, okay, my memory Was my dear watch's river that I nailed. If near or leave a sink in there, then I don't wanna swear Swag, swag, swag, swag. 1:10:42 - Speaker 1Swag, swag, and then they launch into New Orleans' sinking. Oh my gosh, and you're sorta like what? What's going on? And then, in the middle of New Orleans' sinking, is this brand new song, fully fleshed out, not a? 1:11:00 - Speaker 3good one. You know, i read about this And it's fucking holy crap. 1:11:07 - Speaker 1It is a tornado Like it is, so destructive. 1:11:14 - Speaker 3And you know, there's not many bands Who perform live that do Extremely intentional things like that For the audience. There's not many bands that do that Doing something like that, mixing in a new song in the middle of a song People know And then did they circle back? 1:11:31 - Speaker 1Yeah, They finished, then they finished all of these things. 1:11:34 - Speaker 3That's just insane to me. I just love, i just love, love, love that. I just love that. If any, if any songwriters are out there, do that for me. When I come here you live, mix me in a new one. It's a treat, right? Yeah, because it's the opposite of going to a show And hearing a band play Like their album. You know, i've walked out of shows Because it's just boring as fuck. You know, i'll say this about In 18. I believe it was built to spill. Oh my gosh, it was like I could have just put on One of their records and sat at home. So, yeah, to be able to split in another song And keep going and mix it up And do all these things that are so creative And have the confidence to do that, and phew. 1:12:30 - Speaker 2The only thing I'll say in defensive built to spill Is there's always. 1:12:34 - Speaker 3Oh, everybody defends. Built to spill. 1:12:36 - Speaker 2No, no, i'm only saying it live I've never seen them live. Only because they always have a new line up. It's only a singer They do. They do. So if I'm a guy sitting in And part of the band this time around, the only thing I know is the record, because that's probably how they play together, which that's uh. Yeah, my buddy's seen them live And he kind of had the same feeling as you did. 1:13:01 - Speaker 1Same feeling as you did, i'm just starting to get into built. 1:13:04 - Speaker 3Yeah, sorry, bds fans. There you have it. There's another fan that wants to punch me in the gut. Not a cool disaster, i think it's fucking cool. Like my sentiment right away was like Here's the epic storytelling TH song. Here The drums it was like beating. Like we're charging into war Lifeboat designed for ten and ten. Only You know. There's just all these Great metaphors in there for like I don't know. 1:13:34 - Speaker 1Oh, i love the line about getting The remaining people in the water Getting kicked off at Antler. Oh man, i don't know why. Yeah, and this song, there's no structure, there's no verse, there's no chorus, it's just literally Like you said, tim, it's like a story. 1:13:51 - Speaker 3Yeah yeah, i don't know who the Susan reference is. I didn't look too much into that part, like, towards the end there's something about Susan Which I don't know why. With this band, whenever they mention a woman I'm always like. 1:14:03 - Speaker 1She's Evelyn's sister. 1:14:04 - Speaker 3Because it's often something grim. But you know this song there's. There's lots of data in there. This could be a rabbit hole song. It wasn't so much for me, just because I thought it was awesome. 1:14:19 - Speaker 1You're right, it is awesome. It's fucking awesome. Maybe I'm out and we're actually more song for the band. Where do we go next? Um Thugs? 1:14:28 - Speaker 2This is gonna sound really strange, but first of all, i love the chorus on this song. That's fantastic. I really dug this song a lot. It's ironic that it's called thugs and the baseline is a slowed-down version of Grandmaster flashes a message yes or yes? 1:14:54 - Speaker 3Whoa, I didn't go that deep, but I knew it was something like I. I felt there was something go out on in this song And I didn't know what I was you know, i didn't know what it was, but Uh, you keep going it's a deep, deep. 1:15:09 - Speaker 2There's clearly a deep admiration for Grandmaster flash Going on here and The. this the we reference to JD. You mentioned that this is the song where, or this is the record where, you realized they're actually a wee band out of your band. 1:15:30 - Speaker 1Um, yeah, it sort of. It sort of happened at the same time to me as well, no, but you know, there's the reference about All roll or rolling. I'll do the details, you do the roll and I'll do the details. I'm sorry about that. That's all right. 1:15:48 - Speaker 2Yeah, that's, that's kind of where. That's kind of Where I thought on that, the Again the chorus awesome, uh, there's. He keeps doing this high, are you know? it doesn't a couple times and on the record but he does like a high-pitched whoo And this song, that's really cool. And The spacey reverb Guitar is just like. I couldn't think of the song that it reminded me of or the artist, but it's, there's so much reverb on this on that guitar, it's like It's insane. 1:16:26 - Speaker 1Love it, love love, love this one. Yes, it's, yeah, you can swim in it Well said. Yeah, yeah. Where are you on thugs? 1:16:34 - Speaker 3You know I I Felt it was a little bit filler. You know I I didn't get a whole lot from this one I when I Started looking into kind of the movie references or what they get up trying to figure out When I was trying to figure out. You know any details About this song that could make me get into it more? I read and I've read this before, the quote from gourd, that if that's what you think it's about, then that's what it's about Sure, which made me think for this song. Okay, if it's. You know if I think gourd would tell me hey man, if you, if you don't dig this song, then maybe you should try Inevitability of death. You know, if you want to get heavier, then go here. If you don't, you don't get heavy with thugs and let's give you a song about struggling with cancer, which is, i think, inevitability of death. You know, there's what I enjoyed about this song is they mix it up a little bit. You know there's a Chorus singing without drums. You know they're starting to do little creative things on this album That I think help make it stand out and keep my interests more. That's kind of what I, yeah, that's kind of what I've noticed. But then you know, i think everybody probably knows anybody, or sorry, anyone knows someone is diet of cancer and maybe that's what this is about about and living life. You know, trying to Do everything to your fullest. I'm not sure about this. The song was, it was a good jam, it was it was. 1:18:17 - Speaker 1You know what you're not. You're not Far off the track. I don't think, though, when, when you say that about cancer but that would be just so terribly ironic you know Writing a song about that and then succumbing to that illness. You know all those. 1:18:38 - Speaker 3Yeah, exactly. 1:18:40 - Speaker 1Because it came on suddenly. It wasn't something he battled with for very long. It came on suddenly and he was gone, wow, other than a other than a cross-canada tour. But well, you just think, puffy lips, glistening skin, yeah, everything comes rushing in. That could be like reference to, like the chemotherapy you know, like rushing into your body. You know We don't go to hell, just yeah. I love the. I also just love the word play. I thought you'd be the death of inevitability to death just a little bit. I thought you'd be the inevitability of death to death just a little bit like. I love how it's inverted Mm-hmm, very cool, very cool. 1:19:21 - Speaker 2And he makes it work it's crazy that you say like puffy lips and glistening skin. I'm thinking of a. I'm thinking of like Scarlett Johansson and in a bikini like that's who. I'm like. That's right where I went when I heard that. That's so. I'm not even joking. 1:19:43 - Speaker 1That's like what I thought say, could have been yonder somebody somebody just came from LA, i think. 1:19:51 - Speaker 2It's been any time with Scarlett, though The I dig this song It's. It's not one of my favorites, but this was the song that Clearly did the one I mentioned earlier that that Alanis drew a lot of The word play and the way he phrases it is It's. It's exactly what she does in the song. You ought to know like it's. It's 100%. You can't Can't deny it. I'm sure if you had a gun to read she'd say yes, of course It's worth it. She's got the inspiration on. I. 1:20:33 - Speaker 1Don't think it would go that far, just just for the record. No, yeah, if you were interviewing her you would probably, i probably, i probably just ask her. 1:20:39 - Speaker 2Yeah, she seems like a nice person. 1:20:43 - Speaker 3Let's, let's, let's have her guest on the next one. 1:20:45 - Speaker 1He's gonna you have. You have that up, jady Yeah. 1:20:47 - Speaker 3Yeah. 1:20:48 - Speaker 1Yeah, I like the bass that. 1:20:49 - Speaker 2I think the chords are a little bit more. I think the chords are a little bit monotonous. The line if you go to hell, i'll still remember you, that's just. That's a really fucking cool line. But The bass starts to shine at the end, which is cool because because the chords are so I guess I've been honest the bass really isn't doing much, but then it does something that that only Tim Hates is more than I do. It's just faith. 1:21:27 - Speaker 3You know, i will say some of the hip, some of the hips, fadeouts are better than others. Okay, they've had they've had some oh dare I tragic fadeouts oh. I use that because I hate fade out so much. 1:21:47 - Speaker 2Jady, can you, can you You edit this in? can you, can you do that? 1:21:55 - Speaker 3That's funny. You mentioned that cuz a couple weeks ago, jd. I said to JD you know, sometimes I just want to add in a sound effect, like You know, and he's like you do not do that on my podcast, i hate sound effects, because I'm even thinking. 1:22:14 - Speaker 1You know, when you were talking earlier, you were talking about The bass being slowed down from Grandmaster Flash, like, oh, i could intercut. I could intercut like the Grandmaster Flash song so people could hear it. 1:22:27 - Speaker 2But then it's like It's so noticeable man, i mean it's it's so noticeable. It's exact same bass line, but anyway. 1:22:37 - Speaker 1Next song, though. So then we slow it down with scared. 1:22:41 - Speaker 3This that's so scared for me is it's like a. I instantly went to. This song would be an amazing concert concert closer. You know it's. It comes on, you know the night's finishing, it might be the what else? songs. You close your eyes at some point and just listen and get in deep. You know it's, there's, it's layered and story from I don't know Russia and the Germans and Stalin and Trying to make culture and art disappeared and like housekeepers and all these different things. It's like it's. It's. It's a sad kind of beautiful song that It's a little bit of a usual makeup for them with this kind of section of the album, but I thought it was, you know, on that note, kind of dark and lovely overall. 1:23:37 - Speaker 1What do you think, sir? 1:23:39 - Speaker 2I wasn't. I thought this was kind of like just a token. If you will token slow tune like It didn't do it for me, like When it comes to like softer hip songs, like it didn't give me the same Warm, fuzzy feeling is like fiddler's green did. 1:24:02 - Speaker 1Sure, okay, yeah, i mean, fiddler's green is a knockout pie. It is, but my god scared. I love this song really good. 1:24:10 - Speaker 2Maybe it's just positioning on the record, i don't know. I've got a Spend some more time with it and in this was actually one song. There's a couple of tunes. I didn't Get to hear the car, yeah, towards the end, because my car rides weren't as long and they started the record. I would put the first song on when I got in the car, so if I wasn't driving for a long time, obviously the song story the other record didn't didn't didn't make it in the in the car, but there was something really weird on this song. There was a Spacey sort of keyboard sound that kept going off. You know I'm talking about. 1:24:54 - Speaker 3I know, now I don't really yeah, the only thing that certainly stood out to me was the use of acoustic guitars. There's, you know that's. That was a little unusual. I don't remember keyboards. 1:25:05 - Speaker 2There's some sort of keyboard effect going on in there. That is Like the only thing I can equate it to is like you know the. It's like an oscillated version of. You know the sound of the, the metal hitting the, the track on the song. It's a sound of the men working on the chain game. Yeah, it's like it. It's like an echoey, delayed, oscillated, real subtle Vert Sample of that or something, something similar to that, and it's done with the keyboards and said it's on the song 100%. 1:25:46 - Speaker 1Huh, i've got to listen with these headphones. 1:25:49 - Speaker 2But yeah it's. It was a cool song. I dug it and I kind of wish I had more of a feeling the way you guys do about it. But you know it's okay there just hope for you. 1:25:59 - Speaker 1There's hope for you, peter. From there we go to an inch an hour, and this song always impressed me, because the math works out an In an hour today the same way, an inch an hour to feed a day, to moan tonight in this most professional way. 1:26:57 - Speaker 5There's this fucking band. You gotta see they used to care about living shit. I see no profit in talk. No food in town, no rock and roll, no bestiality. 1:27:10 - Speaker 6Makes me feel the same way. An inch an hour to feed a day, to moan tonight with their little mouth to say But our health is best with the people in the space. No stuff of town, no feed you through, no salt on the tev. It works through Making lots and moogs. 1:27:49 - Speaker 5Tonight I'm gonna win and make this gift heart. I want you to see your breath in the spring side. Heart, coffee colors, ice and feeling. First part Sound. The rushing water in the dark Makes me feel the same way. 1:28:06 - Speaker 6An inch an hour to feed a day, to moan tonight with their little mouth to say But our health is best with the people in the space. I mean our health is best with the people in the space. You see, i don't know me. I don't know me at all, i don't know myself. 1:28:47 - Speaker 1I don't know myself. I don't know myself. What did you think of this? 1:29:06 - Speaker 2one. I love the. I don't know if I paid attention to it in the other records, or I'm just hearing this now, or this is the first time they're really doing it, but I feel like the guitar is falling the vocal line, or the vocal line is falling the guitar a little bit more, which is cool, like the melody of what Gord's singing. I thought it was a fucking banger. Again, this is another one where he's like yelping. I can only say yelping because he's not screaming but he's saying oh, oh, like really multiple times during the song. Anyway, i love it. I thought this song would probably be a really good opener. I don't know if they ever opened with it, but Definitely thought it would be a good opener. 1:30:07 - Speaker 3I think this one I was anticipating, without even knowing it, after listening to Scared. Scared was like this epic kind of novel, three-part novel to get through And when an inch and hour came on in the car, within seconds was turning it way up Like. This is one that I kind of needed. With the placement in the album, it truly so. I read that it's potentially, or possibly, if it's about a fan who wrote a fan letter to the band. Supposedly this guy claims to come home at the end of his night shift every day. He would go buy some beer and sit on the stoop of his apartment And just crank tragically hip and drink beers. And he was thumbing through one of their albums and saw an address to write letters into

Hey everyone, it's JD here with Pete and Tim, and we've got an exciting episode for you as we explore the Tragically Hip's 1994 album, Day for Night. This record holds a special place in my heart, and I can't wait to share my memories with Pete and Tim. Listen in as we discuss the album's unique nuances.As we examine the tracks on Day for Night, we also dive into the powerful lyricism of songs like Greasy Jungle and Nautical Disaster, uncovering the stories behind them. Our discussion also touches on the impact of the album's intro song, Grace, Too, setting the tone for the record and leaving a lasting impression on listeners.Join us as we reminisce about the days of midnight album releases and the significance of this record in the Tragically Hip's discography. Through our conversation, Pete and Tim share their first experiences with the band's music. So, whether you're a longtime fan or discovering the Tragically Hip for the first time, this episode is sure to be a nostalgic and enlightening journey through the world of Canadian rock history.0:00:00 - Speaker 1Hey, it's JD here and I'm with Pete and Tim and we have a really big announcement we want to make. Are you strapped in Good? Mark your calendars for Friday, september 1st, as long-sliced brewery brings to you getting hip to the hip on evening for the Downey Wend Jack Fund. 0:00:22 - Speaker 2Join us at the Rec Room in Toronto for a night of music, unity and making a meaningful impact. This event is dedicated to honoring the legacy of the tragically hip, while supporting the Downey Wend Jack Fund. 0:00:32 - Speaker 3Immerse yourself in a powerful tribute performance by 50 Mission, celebrating timeless classics that have shaped Canadian rock history. We'll also wrap up the podcast in a memorable way by doing our finale live that evening, but it doesn't stop there. 0:00:48 - Speaker 1This event is all about making a difference. So we've got a silent auction with prizes. you've got to see, from Blue Jays tickets to tragically hip ephemera to kitchen appliances. If you're looking for something cool, chances are you'll find it at our silent auction. 0:01:05 - Speaker 2All proceeds for the evening will go directly to the Downey Wend Jack Fund supporting healing, reconciliation and positive changes for Indigenous communities. 0:01:13 - Speaker 3Tickets are on sale June 1st and can be picked up by visiting gettinghippetothehipcom and clicking on finale. 0:01:21 - Speaker 1By attending Getting Hip to the Hip, you're not only enjoying a night of incredible music and comedy, but also contributing to a brighter future. Join a community of like-minded individuals who believe in the power of music and unity. 0:01:35 - Speaker 2Tickets are only $40, so mark your calendars and visit our webpage to secure your spot at this unforgettable event to celebrate the hip with fellow hip fans. 0:01:45 - Speaker 3Getting Hip to the Hip. An evening for the Downey Wend Jack Fund promises to be an experience that leaves a lasting impact. Please join us at the Rec Room in Toronto on September 1st and be part of something truly meaningful. We'd love to see you there. 0:02:11 - Speaker 1It's nearly 10.30 pm on September 23rd 1994. I'm on the 106 bus riding from York University to Wilson Station. during my first year at the institution, i was on a mission to pick up the latest effort by my favourite band, the highly anticipated Day for Night. Since mid-summer of 1993, i'd been going bananas over the song Nautical Disaster, first introduced to me during my 19th birthday. It was at another roadside attraction, and as the band launched into New Orleans as Syncon they jammed through the now classic cut in spectacular fashion. However, it wasn't until the Kumbaya Festival early in September of that same year that I finally heard the track on tape. My friend Heather had come home from university having recorded the festival on DHS. We quickly dubbed the video to cassette and now I was off to the races From there. it took until Canada Day of 1994 before I heard anything else from the record. The hip played the gig with a chip on their shoulder, as many of the fans had acted brorish and disrespectful towards many of the opening acts, including Daniel and Locke. The set was heavily peppered with songs from Day for Night and I liked what I heard. As I got off the subway and approached HMV, it was nearing midnight. The new album would be in my hands soon and I could listen without the distraction of frapples throwing bottles towards the stage. From the first notes of Grace II, this one felt different, especially after the slick polish of fully completely or the bar blues of the prior two records. This was a band hitting its stride and understanding exactly where it fit into the fabric of the rock and roll paradigm. But that was then. Today I'm tasked with taking Pete and Tim into my memories and hoping to goodness this one sticks the landing for them. We'll soon find out on this episode of Getting Hip to the Hip. Long Sliced Brewery Presents Getting Hip to the Hip. Hey, it's JD here and welcome to Getting Hip to the Hip, a Tragically Hip podcast where we go through the discography of the hip with two folks who have never heard of the band before. So, while they're having their first experience listening to the music, you can revisit yours. Send me an email, jd, at GettingHipToTheHipcom, with your first experience with the Tragically Hip. It would be great to hear those, as we listen to Pete and Tim, describe theirs. Speaking of Pete and Tim, they are most certainly ready to be released from their protective hatches. I will push the button now and they are there. They are on their platforms. they're they're levitating platforms. How are you doing, fellas? 0:05:22 - Speaker 2Hey guys, Oh sorry. 0:05:26 - Speaker 1He nodded his head. 0:05:29 - Speaker 2I nodded my head for all you out there in radio land. 0:05:32 - Speaker 3That's my favorite aspect of podcasts. 0:05:35 - Speaker 1He loves theater of the mind. Sorry about that. Yeah, that's great. What's new? 0:05:42 - Speaker 2Oh man, it's new. Back in the saddle, man, you know. back to work today, like I said, struggling with a little bit of jet lag, but other than that, i mean I, i how much time we got JD. I could. Could tell you a lot of what's going on, but I don't know. Put you guys to sleep, tim. What's going on with you man? 0:06:08 - Speaker 3Oh, just cranking on. the week getting started here And last week was, to be honest, kind of rough, so I'm hoping this week's good. That's. that's what I'm counting on. 0:06:18 - Speaker 1Fingers across for you, fellas, both of you, to avail yourself from the. Jag, the Jag lat the jet lag and for you to feel better this week. 0:06:29 - Speaker 2Did you try to? did you try to call me a jackoff right now? 0:06:33 - Speaker 1Is that what you're trying to call me? No, i said jet lag, but I said it wrong. Jag lift, jag off. Yeah, i'm all right, i can't complain. We've got a new puppy dog and she's pretty awesome So far. She's having a nap on the bed right now. She spent the morning in her crate, so you know, we've been letting her run free this afternoon, or I have been letting her run free this afternoon. So, yeah, that's really irrespective of nothing. But Who named her? I did. 0:07:09 - Speaker 2Nice. 0:07:10 - Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, that's my last naming job that I get to do, though. 0:07:15 - Speaker 2I gotta ask you, michael Keaton, george Clooney, val Kilmer, christian Bale, robert Pattinson- I guess I'm a bailperson at this point. I would have. I would have also. The judges would have also accepted Adam West Michael. 0:07:34 - Speaker 1Keaton. Oh, adam West, yeah, sure, sure, yeah. 0:07:39 - Speaker 2Michael Keaton. Michael Keaton was great, but yeah, christian Bale was. Those movies were so amazing. 0:07:43 - Speaker 1Oh, it was Batmania, just Batmania, when Keaton and Tim Burton put that whole thing together. 0:07:52 - Speaker 2Oh yeah, Tim, were you a fan. 0:07:54 - Speaker 3No opinion. 0:07:55 - Speaker 2Okay, you're fleeting the fifth on this one. 0:07:59 - Speaker 1Yeah, no opinion, okay. So we're here today to talk about the fourth long play from the Tragically HIP, their fifth output at this point. This came out in 1994, to be exact, it came out the third week of my first year of university and they did a midnight album release. So, like all the record stores were open, they would be open all day and then they would close at nine and then they would reopen at midnight so they could sell the record, because it was the next day, it was Tuesday, so it was like Monday night at midnight you would go and get the record before anybody else. 0:08:42 - Speaker 2I remember that Tower used to do that too. 0:08:44 - Speaker 1Right, it was a cool fad and it's just. 0:08:48 - Speaker 2you know it's got like It was Tuesday you said right, That's right. 0:08:51 - Speaker 1Records always came out on Tuesdays. 0:08:53 - Speaker 2And there's a reason for that, and somebody told me the reason. I can't remember, but there was a reason. There's a distinct reason why that was the case, right. 0:09:01 - Speaker 1Okay. Well, if you out there know what it is, use social and let us know. Or shoot us an email at JD, pete or Tim at getting hip to the hipcom. This record means a lot to me. So you know, i'm not going to. I'm not going to beat around the bush this time. Or I am going to no, i'm not going to beat around the bush this time, i'm going to lay it all out right now and say I fucking love this record. So you know, let that not impact your scores. But there may be some arguments because it's just got the, it's got the crisscross of hitting a sweet spot for me with my favorite band at the time and coming out temporarily at just the right time you know to to build a culture around. you know it was produced by the hip with assistance from Howard and Freakin I believe it's Mark Howard and Mark Freakin. Freakin I want to say sound guy for the hip You can listen to fully and completely to get the all, the, all, the detailed information. We always went through that stuff in a big way on that show And this is not what this one's about. This is an addendum. So the label was MCA. This is again another MCA release for the hip Looks in at a record 59 minutes 26 seconds, you know, just a almost an hour. Singles It had six singles. Grace, two was a single, it was the first. One came out right before the record dropped. Greasy jungle was the second one. Nautical disaster was the third one. So hard done by then scared, and then thugs, and I believe that thugs was almost, you know, a full year after the record came out. So this one had legs. All music rated this record a 3.5 or part of me a three out of five, much lower than fully completely, which was the record before this, which got a 4.5 out of five. So a three. Very interesting, very, very interesting, grace. Start off the top with your initial thoughts on this record, mr Leiden. 0:11:32 - Speaker 3I felt it was long, you know, and realize pretty quickly that we were getting some extra songs. What else about it? I did notice some recording kind of changes or uplifts as far as production value goes, which is cool. What else about it? There are some certain songs on there which I absolutely dug. I ended up listening to the first half of the album several times I want to say struggled through to get through the whole album in a sitting, but I just kept finding myself starting over at certain points. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we can talk about that more. 0:12:16 - Speaker 1I mean, it's definitely a long record, And could I edit this record? Sure, i could. I'm not going to ever say which songs I would potentially edit out, because they're all my babies and I just couldn't say it, but I secretly know which ones I'd get rid of. Tim, you have been looking for an album. You've been searching for an album throughout this podcast. You know you've talked about Pizza with the Works, you've talked about Mishmash's and collections of songs produced together to round out an album, but it seems to me as though you are seeking not necessarily a concept, but a conceit, and I would have thought that paid off with fully, completely. It didn't. So how about this record? I? 0:13:06 - Speaker 3don't think I'm quite there yet, but I'm close. Okay, i was expecting this album to be maybe more, maybe more concise, since they were driving and had more control, i don't know. I think that just the fact that it was a couple songs longer in the cadence of all the songs and really looking at where their place and all those things that I like to do, you know, it checked a lot of boxes for me, but I didn't. I didn't finish listening to it in a take and go oh yeah, now I'm here. Pretty close though, but I'm pretty close, jd, tell us, tell us, you know, when it came out at 12.01, were you in line buying it, or when did you listen to it? Like, what do you recall from your first listen to this album and how you felt and why it's your fave? 0:14:00 - Speaker 1Well, again, it's got that crossroads right of like culture and time and place And they were my favorite band so it was like so exciting to be in Toronto and buying it right away, because before I would have had to buy it the next day, there had been some concerts leading up to the release of this record where they had dribbled some breadcrumbs of what this record was going to entail And it was so cool to hear it And, more importantly for me, after the very slick sounding fully, completely, i love the. Well, you guys both know that I'm into lo-fi music and this isn't necessarily lo-fi, but this sounds much more self-produced, right Like. It sounds like it's recorded by people who are making their first record in a good way, in a really good way, like it's so fresh sounding after what. The last group of records that we heard were more slick and polished and that sort of bar rock thing. I've always said. This was the record where the Tragically Hip revealed that it hasn't been beer that's been fueling them all these years. It's weed, like they're a total weed band, and this record was the first one that reminded me of that. The rest of the records are sort of beer Okay okay, you know. Yeah, i've had 30 years to gestate on that, though, so bear that in mind. Now Pete has blood pouring out of his mouth right now. He's chewing his tongue off. You know He's dying to jump in here. What does he have to say about all this hullabaloo? 0:15:43 - Speaker 2Well, real quick. You mentioned that this was three out of five, and fully and completely was 4.5 out of five. Who's the company? 0:15:55 - Speaker 1I always use all music. I always use all music, all music, yeah. 0:15:59 - Speaker 2Yeah, they got their heads up their asses, because I don't even remotely see how this is less on the point scale than fully and completely, because I thought this record was fucking awesome. I agree that I felt the same way. That kind of Tim felt that it was a bit lengthy. I felt myself starting at a number of times and struggling a little bit to get through some ladder parts. There's certainly some areas where they could trim the fat, if you will. I'm not going to say which ones they are, but it was like for a band that's producing their first. It's their first go at producing a record themselves. It's kind of like it's just a little too much. It's like going out on a great first date, dinner's great, movie's great go back to the house. Sex is great. Oh, first date That your date's like hey, do you ever want to have kids? You know, it's like. It's like totally could've just done without saying that and the night would've been perfect. Like they just say that, they just ask that. Like on their way out It's like, oh, okay, doesn't mean you're not going to go out with them again, but it's, you know, i love it. I love it. 0:17:30 - Speaker 3I'll leave it there for now to let you say You know, i'll just quickly add on that very you know, very similar token that I had with it. I'm curious to hear the next albums And then to again look back at specific albums to see how I feel about them, because this is probably one. You know you are so excited. You know there's a trilogy of movies coming out on something that you love And you see the first one and you're like God, i hope the next two movies are just as good. Maybe the next one is pretty good or better, and you're like, oh shit, this is going to be great. You know, it's kind of I'm leaning towards that. I'm excited to revisit some of these to see how I feel in a couple of months. Hopefully I won't be like dude, i'm done you guys. No, that's not going to be the case. But yeah, i'm anxious to revisit the future for sure, because this is probably one of those albums. 0:18:30 - Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, i'll be interested to see that too. Maybe again we will have like a 10 year reunion. Pete mentioned that in the last episode. You know we should go back 10 years. Oh, we might. So who knows, maybe we will revisit this on whatever platform the kids are listening to in the future. I'm sure they'll be nuclear powered or something OK. So here's something new An intro song that doesn't just like open with a kick to your ass. It opens in a much different way. It still manages to kick your ass, but in a much different way. It doesn't have like a lick off the top like little bones or courage for human clenin, you know. It just doesn't have or blow a high dough. It doesn't have that same sort of whoop in the butt. It's a taste of like this is what you're going to get. I think You know it's a little bit of like setting the table. It's because you're listening to it and you're like whoa, this isn't the hip that I left behind a year and a half ago. 0:20:08 - Speaker 6Come on, just let's go. She kind of bit her left Geez, I don't know. But I can guarantee That we're now not gonna do. I'm told no proof That we're not gonna do. That's what I'm here for. I come from downtown. I'm already familiar. I'm with the low and weaks of our nation. That's what I'm here for. 0:21:46 - Speaker 7The secret rules of engagement are hard to endure. 0:21:57 - Speaker 6When the appearance of conflict again surrender means the appearance of force. Uncle, uncle, i can guarantee, i can guarantee There'll be no knock on the door. I can guarantee. I'm total proud. That's what I'm prepared for. Yeah, i've come from downtown. I'm ready for you. I'm ready to scale. And it's frustration. I'm ready to scale. And it's frustration. I'm ready to scale. And it's frustration. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 0:25:07 - Speaker 7No, no, no, no, no, no. Thank you, music lovers. On behalf of our crew the finest crew in the business, ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of Robbie Gordy, johnny Paul, mr Jim Bryson on Keys, us musicians and the crew and everybody here tonight, we want to thank you. Thank you, music lovers. Thank you and Merci beaucoup. Summer on. Summer on take care of each other, drive the speed limit, wear a life jacket. 0:26:24 - Speaker 2Summer on you mentioned setting the table and I agree. And it's saying that it's a different band. That's like the one of the first things that wrote down. I feel like to be honest with you. I like this song so much. I feel like kind of it's just stupid even talking about it like it's such an honestly, it's a fucking banger. And I think I had sent to you guys in the group text like the SNL performance of this song. Yeah, it's just, it's jaw-dropping. Yeah, it's. It's the line about just. I looked at the phrasing, i looked at the lyrics and the way he did he wrote the lyrics and it's just so cool. Sorry, i wish I could articulate it better, but the rules of engagement are hard to endorse. Yeah, like is this I read a little bit online that it was you know about like a man propositioning a prostitute or a young girl. But I'm also like, is this a song about war? is this like an anti-war line that he's throwing in there? is it a double and tongue girl? I don't know, but I don't know. I could say a million things about this song, but I'll hand it over to to mr Leiden. 0:27:54 - Speaker 3I'm. I'm pretty much in the same boat. I heard this song and I immediately thought this is a stellar hip song. I can't wait to hear the rest of the album. But instead of like really going to the rest of the album, i immediately found the first live version I could find on a Google search, because I thought this song is, is gotta be, you know, quintessential live hip song and that's that's kind of where I went and I ended up finding the, the Woodstock 99. If you guys haven't watched any of the documentary about Woodstock 99, please do. It was a just the demise of Western North America, usa culture right there. But anyways, this recording, this video recording of the band at Woodstock 99, is so good, like chills on my arms, like Goose Pimples, it was just fucking amazing. This, this song. You know, i was basically like okay, that's, that's my single. Should I listen to the rest of the album? I'm pretty happy right now didn't they do. 0:29:12 - Speaker 2What did they do? a 94 and a 99, or did they just do 99 just? 0:29:19 - Speaker 3I think the documentary it's a 99 one, where they set everything on fire and tore down all the stages and rated the food trucks and 99 all those things. And then, you know, with this song in particular, i was anxious to hear the band doing their own thing without, you know, managers or producers looming over them. And there were a couple different things I heard, which are even more so on certain songs. But the drums sounded a little different, a little bigger. Maybe the bass was a little bit more engaged with drumming. And there's there's been some times when the bass is kind of funky feeling, just like really in it there was some kind of I don't know, pete, you might know, but there was some echo, really echoey guitar effects. 0:30:12 - Speaker 2I got, i got that written which were pretty cool. 0:30:15 - Speaker 3Yeah, it was kind of the song just hit all the boxes had kind of this transcendental gonna take you on a journey. You know, i liked it so much I was like I don't even care what it's about, this is just a great listen yeah. 0:30:32 - Speaker 1Tim you talking about. You know the drums being bigger and you know the production just sounding. You know bigger and you know with with some of the guitar effects a lot of it has to do with. They went back to New Orleans but this time they went to that Daniel Inwas studio and the Kingsway studio, which is just a big old house and you know they would do stuff like bedsheets over the stairwells and you know, just like like home studio tricker, but on a bigger, bolder scale, because this house has so many nooks and crannies that you can get different sounds of the different spaces. And they took advantage of that, which is very different from the, the path they took on the record prior. 0:31:22 - Speaker 2Okay, daredevil so daredevil this, the skipping start that they did. Yeah, i feel like that was. So this was. What year was this? again? GD 94, 94. So I feel like I mean that was the height of like CDs like were where literally everybody had a CD player, wasn't like the early days. So I feel like maybe it was a. It was a joke to to make people think their CD was skipped, because if you ever bought a CD and you were unfortunate to buy a scratch CD that was brand new and it skipped, you were fucking pissed. Oh yeah, so that was cool, that was unique. This song certainly does sound way better in the car. I don't know if it's just specifically my car, because I have a pretty good sounds. 0:32:26 - Speaker 3It's the premium audio system. Is that what you guys kept saying? 0:32:30 - Speaker 6premium audio. 0:32:31 - Speaker 3I think we're at a point for an acronym for pass sound system everybody everybody listening. 0:32:37 - Speaker 1How about a? 0:32:38 - Speaker 3t-shirt yeah, if I get, if I get through this. 0:32:41 - Speaker 1Okay, these guys only a ride in Pete's car, the big that dooby or there should be a bingo card where the you know, every time you hear Pete say premium audio sound system, you tick the box, or and then there's of course the free square, and then, if you hear me say so, there's that geez, we're going to Malaga. 0:33:15 - Speaker 3There's this guy there with this premium audio system and he gives people rides. 0:33:22 - Speaker 2I'm just saying that because I'm due you're doing yeah, for sure $25 a song I'm good I think that'd be cool. I think a job this no, this song. Tim mentioned something about the, this bass. You were JD, you were talking about the, the studio and all the trickery. But yeah, this is the first one where I write down the like the guitar solos, for example. They seem way less defined on this record, and I don't mean it in a bad way, i mean it in a way that and then there was a really cool oscillation effect maybe a little more jam. 0:34:13 - Speaker 3I don't know if you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, i think the flavor is kind of gelled together more the oscillation effect. 0:34:24 - Speaker 2If you've ever heard the the song real emotional trash on the album, real emotional trash yeah, that Steve Malkomis song I know this came before that, but whatever he's using on that guitar solo is exactly the same effect they're using on their level because that oscillation of the guitar is just. It's so cool. I wish I was cool enough to know what it was to ever be able to use myself, because it's fucking rad. Anyway, i dug this song a lot. I really liked it. 0:34:59 - Speaker 1What do you think? what do you think they're damn? 0:35:03 - Speaker 3I did too. I think, yeah, i love the drummer just counting it off at the beginning. That that made it feel like maybe more home recording type scenario. This song, this song, like I was wishing I was in a bar, just like sitting at the bar pull-up and just I felt like I could be watching the band, you know. But it was like the barkeep and the kitchen people and I don't know. This, this one, this one kind of took me in a different direction than than many. After the one minute mark maybe this is kind of what you're talking about, pete like with the guitar and drums it gets kind of heavier or more layer layered. It felt like locomotive, like this train's just really going story wise, i mean, that's probably a podcast itself to talk about Annie Edison Taylor and going over the falls aspect of this one I love. The line in the real wonder of the world is that we don't jump to. Yes, you know, that's. That to me is like it delivers something inspiring. The song is like get out and get after it. Step out, you know, jump off that cliff, you have 50% chance of surviving if you survive. It's gonna be awesome and if you die, it'll be awesome. You know, this sounds really. It really is really cool. 0:36:40 - Speaker 1Where do we go next? we hit track three, and that's greasy jungle. Take it, tim greasy jungle. 0:36:48 - Speaker 3This one, the snares really snappy. I felt like this is where you're kind of hearing different recording, maybe aspects. When I say snappy snare, it's like tuned tighter. Maybe you know there's lots of film references here in this song which we've gotten before. There's congas, like. There's some hand drumming at some point in the song, i believe, which is. I was just like kind of tuned into the drums on this one. Obviously that's a background effect, but a new layer. There's a definitely a new crash cymbal, like there was some new drum gear right on this album. There's a new crash cymbal that's really bright. That's always kind of gets my attention. I didn't realize first few listens that it was like dirty streets, metropolis, correlation with greasy jungle. I didn't know what the heck it was about. You know I didn't for a song three. I always like hope that this is the one that's gonna get maybe somebody around the bases at bat. You know that they're gonna push, push it through and this one didn't do it as much for me. I was more kind of like okay, what's, what's next with. 0:38:21 - Speaker 1This one didn't grab me so much one of the cool little Gord Downey stories is the lyric that you're just talking about metropolis noir. It sounds so elegant and mysterious at the same time. But metropolis noir is a name he saw on a bag of coffee, it's. It's like French roasts, but in French it wasn't French roasts, it was a dark roast or something, or Italian roast. 0:39:00 - Speaker 3Dark roasts. Dark roasts, italian roasts. 0:39:02 - Speaker 1I forget which one it was, but it translated, because everything in Canada has to have a French label and a Canadian label. It translated to matropolis noir. So that's just one of those little things he stuck in his notebook. and then he's writing this greasy jungle, matropolis noir. And all of a sudden you've got this setting and then it takes you on that little story for funeral home sandwiches and coffee. Oh delicious Yeah. 0:39:33 - Speaker 3Yeah, i think that I also read that it maybe referenced a diner that he worked at that had the same name. Oh really, did you guys know that? Yeah, yeah, greasy jungle. Greasy jungle Sounds like a good diner though. 0:39:48 - Speaker 2Yeah, jd, you said French roasts, and it's funny because I always think I don't remember the name of the comedian, but in France they just call it roast, just like Tim and I's definition of Canadian bacon is actually just bacon for you right, JD, No I can't remember the comedian who did that bit, but, tim, i couldn't disagree with you more on this one. However, i will tell you. 0:40:25 - Speaker 1Tim, you're ignorant slut. 0:40:30 - Speaker 3Yes. 0:40:31 - Speaker 2I'm done. I sort of felt like that the first time I heard it And the more I. This was one where I kept digging Actually I didn't really have to do much work, but just the more I listened to it the more I was like okay, i get it. I get why this was a single. This is a banger on the phrasing on it. The vocal phrasing absolute A. Plus another great car song on the solos, super experimental, like again. It's cool, because it's not. Most of the guitar on this record is not like this. It's not a producer going. 0:41:11 - Speaker 1Okay, boys, let's lay down the solo. This is where we're going to put the solo here. Give me 32 bars, let's go. 0:41:18 - Speaker 232 bars, yeah, like it just it's so cool and it's not like that. And this song is the first although not as much, because there's another one we'll bring up and I'm sure you guys know which one it is But this is the first song where I really hear that the influence this band had on a Linus Morrisette. Oh wow, Oh yeah, There's another song on this record that we'll get to. That is clearly. It's clearly. She was sitting in her room listening to this record prior to recording Jagged Little Pill, like which I can't remember what year that came out. 0:42:04 - Speaker 1What year did that come out? It came out, i want to say the summer of 95 was when the was when she broke, when she exploded. 0:42:13 - Speaker 3Yeah, is she a fan? Is she a fan? 0:42:16 - Speaker 2She's a great musician and she's Canadian, so I would be hard pressed to think she's not. At least, i didn't mind. Oh yeah, she's Canadian. Yeah, you fuck her, stick together. So I saw her live in 2018 in LA and she just, i mean, fucking blew the roof off the place. Oh man, it was, it was, it was insane. 0:42:40 - Speaker 1Anyway, my wife had tickets to the 25th anniversary tour of Jagged Little Pill and it got canceled due to COVID. So, yeah, total drag. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, i'm, i'm on your side there, pete. As far as Greasy Jungle goes, next one is a cool thing that I don't know if this is something that pre-existed. You know, i don't know if somebody had taken a photograph and of a dog, you know, with its teeth bared, and wondered aloud if it had been yawning or snarling. Because, like, since that time, i've seen so many photos that I say that line in my head. You know, there's so many photos that they're captured and we feel something right away, but then you have to sort of open your mind and go well, wait a minute, maybe that feeling that I'm feeling isn't the right feeling. You know, it was just the way the photo was captured. It could have been yawning or snarling, and that sort of kicks us off. 0:44:08 - Speaker 5The cops go into the crowd under a glaring platter of light and the music's just so loud and the tourists take their t-shirts off and a bus load of kids and gifts to the finger Afternoon, when the sidewalk's hot and the shadows too chilly to linger. 0:44:50 - Speaker 6Both we're in the escuchians and at the bar, and people are helming Downtown. Never, ever been. 0:45:06 - Speaker 5Now just wait for me, I'm gonna resurface. 0:45:17 - Speaker 6I take a look at this photo girl. I don't know how clearly it's taken away. 0:45:28 - Speaker 5I'm gonna get out of here. I never saw it. The picture is never clear. 0:45:41 - Speaker 6I'm gonna make a decision. I mean an incarceration, i mean so much. One night in El Paso, the cops fall into the crowd Under a throbbing bladder of light And the music is just so loud And the tourists turn their TVs off. The box is apart with the sound of a linger Night time when the shadows come And you tilt to the tips of your fingers. But that's the way it goes in our region. I'm so strong, i'm making a chance Downtown, never ever been. Now just wait for you to resurface. Take a look at this photograph. How clearly it's taken away. He could have been the artist, not an artist. This picture is never clear. I'm so good at this photo, girl. How clearly it's taken away. I'm gonna get out of here. 0:47:48 - Speaker 5I'm in a slumber. The story is never clear. Walks right into a Mardi Gras parade. We're touring the south at the bottom of the beard. 0:48:28 - Speaker 2Yonnie and Snarling I first listened to. This record was my favorite song And that was, with my, everything I love about Grace too, it starts out very mad season. I don't know if you know that band. 0:48:52 - Speaker 1Yeah, that was the supergroup right. 0:48:54 - Speaker 2Yeah, that was the supergroup of Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains And that record. When did that record come out? Did it come out in 1993? Maybe, so they were active in 1994 to 1996, So maybe it's the same time, I don't know. Anyway, it starts out like the first and it builds. I don't know. I just loved it. I could say so much about the instrumentation, But lyrically, I don't know if you've got a line on exactly what it's about JD, But there's some historical references in there And talking about El Paso, he brings up the Mexican US border there. I'm pretty sure that runs through the 100th Meridian, Oh wow now, i know that. I could be wrong, but it just kind of feels like it's going, like Cordoni's really going in. He's a big fan of these historical references. I don't know, i dug it. What's saying you, tim? 0:50:11 - Speaker 3I dug it. I think when I first heard it started up I was thinking Okay, here's the spooky, sinister Pipps song of the album Which we often get. You know, if any song that I hear I hear a reference about El Paso or the Rio Grande, it's usually something heavy. It's not about going tubing and fishing and having fun. So yeah, there's a line in there about the cops go into the crowd Throbbing bladder of light. You know, i'd love that phrase, throbbing bladder of light. The music is so loud nighttime when the shadows cough Like this. Lyrically, the song's loaded, it's just it's really really big. I just, you know, somebody beat up and throw it in the river. This is an early song there's a moody guitar ending, i think throughout the song. The bass to me I'm always kind of honing in. It's funny because Pete's on guitar and I'm on bass and drums, which is cool, but the bass is a little punchier, like it's tuned up or I don't know. This one had definitely some home, you know, if they recorded it in the house. I'm just gonna call it home production because it's basically what it was, even if it was like Super Pro Studio, like there's some little things in there that I heard for sure. It's an interesting song. It's pretty cool It was. It's kind of an early song to me. I stuck with it a few times. 0:51:58 - Speaker 1Cool. What's next? It's number five. We're at five. Fire in the hole. 0:52:07 - Speaker 3Yeah, let's fire. Fire in the hole is fucking cool. And I say that because I heard kind of this 90s grungy punk influence with this one, even though it's not like super fast or anything. But then when I started reading into it, you know, because I figured it had something to do with fascism and Nazis And I don't know. There's something you know angry here. There's some different ties to Sonic Youth's Youth, sonic Youth's Youth Against Fascism song. It's very I don't want to say very similar, but there's definitely some things shared. You know, that was a time for me. It was a time of really getting into, like crunchy guitars, a little bit more experimentation, faster rhythms. You know this song, for a hip song maybe, is like a little bit tougher. It's a little bit tougher. And I also just thought you know by its own name and chorus that this one is probably ruckus live. It's probably just fun and, you know, fist in the air. 0:53:30 - Speaker 2Yeah, i agree, i agree, this is a banger for sure. The guitar work on it I definitely. I mean it's weird, i don't know because I'm not the biggest Guns N' Roses fan, but you know, slash's Les Paul guitar tone is pretty distinct, you know, when you hear it, and the guitar tone on this song that he's playing some lines sounds, i mean, identical. It doesn't sound like Guns N' Roses, of course the song doesn't, but that guitar tone just was so reminiscent of that And it kind of made me think, okay, so they're like trying to, they're trying to shed some older skin from the previous records, but you know, it's sort of like you can take the. You know, take the what out of the what, but you can't take the what out of the what. They still got it in their roots. You know what I mean. 0:54:35 - Speaker 1Yeah. 0:54:38 - Speaker 2So that's definitely there. And then, yeah, this is one like the obviously Grace too. I mean that's sort of like the flagship of this record. But this is another song where you're like, okay, gord's found his voice. He's really, you know, If the band is his recliner, like whenever he gets up, you can see his ass imprint. It is always there. He's found his voice. The chair is sunk. It's sunk in. Does that make sense What I'm trying to say? Yeah, he's. Yeah, he's been in that chair so long now for a number of records that it's just comforts Like he's found it. 0:55:29 - Speaker 1He knows where he's at. He's in the groove. He's in the groove Like he's absolutely. And to me, guys, isn't this the heaviest that we've ever heard them. Or is there something on Foley that might be? No, i think you're right, i do. 0:55:46 - Speaker 3I think it's up there. I think it's up there. 0:55:48 - Speaker 1Yeah, because you were saying fast and I was thinking to my head, I was like yeah, it is fast. It's fast and heavy, Like this is a great song alive. 0:55:54 - Speaker 2This is like Foo Fighters, Fast Like I was like whoa. 0:55:59 - Speaker 1Yeah, because it's still, it's still. 0:56:05 - Speaker 3It's interesting. You went to guns and roses. I don't know why I didn't go there Like I. Just I didn't hear that reference, but I want to go back. 0:56:14 - Speaker 2Just the guitar, just the guitar time. 0:56:17 - Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:56:19 - Speaker 2For me oftentimes that doesn't mean something positive, Just yeah you know, outside of them anybody else I hear sounding like remotely like guns and roses. You just kind of go, eh you know. But I think it was just weird that Tom was there because coming up the hip I feel were such a that was. That was what most bands were sounding like back then. 0:56:49 - Speaker 3I don't know. Yeah, maybe 50 mission cap or something. Oh yeah, yeah, this one, you know. 0:56:56 - Speaker 1Yeah, you might be right, You might be and you might be so hard done by. 0:57:00 - Speaker 2So hard done by. To be honest with you, this is probably my least favorite of the of the record. Hey, we're in the break. Yeah, i just didn't. Yeah, i thought it was, i thought it was a cool chorus, but I just I kept thinking about, like, what would I say about the song? And it's just, you know, maybe in the 10 year reunion by then I'll have something. but this song, sorry, i wish I had I had more for it, but I really just don't. 0:57:42 - Speaker 3I'm with you a bit. I heard Allison Chains right away And I don't think it's like it's not like 100% Allison Chains. That's who I thought of And I'm starting to hear, you know, and occasional references to bands that we're doing well during this time And I'm not a big Allison Chains fan by any means, but it's. you know, there's still some lyric nuggets in here I love. you'll have to wait a minute. It's an en somatic Like. that to me is kind of a phrase of if you want, you know, beauty in life, it's not going to come to you right away. You got to, you got to deal. The ending is kind of rough. You know the yeah, i'm with you, pete. The ending is kind of rough. The snare is too snappy. The snare is like so snappy that it's like that's how you tune a snare for fucking punk rock songs with a high beat per minute. You know it just didn't. it just didn't. 0:58:45 - Speaker 1It's funny that you say that, because the original, like the demo version of this song is totally up tempo. Well so it's. It's a completely different song Me I. I think this is, i think it's fine, i think it's harkens back to like, like it could be on up to here, it could be on road apples. To me it's got that sleazy, not quite stone Z vibe. So I was really surprised to hear you say Alison chains, because I'm I'm going more of like the roots. You know, okay, that's, that's my vibe of John, but but that's, you know, this one, that's just how it was for sure. 0:59:30 - Speaker 3More filler had a rough ending and I was kind of glad it was like, okay, what's next? You want to? you want to add something, pete. 0:59:37 - Speaker 2Oh, all I was going to say was You know, that'd be cool if it was. I mean, maybe it is cool live. And I just just to comment that I always hate when you hear a band play a live version of a song and it's just fucking killer And that's the first way you hear it. And then you hear the studio version and it just absolutely blows. 0:59:59 - Speaker 3So yeah, i'm, i'm with you, I'm with you. Maybe this is that? 1:00:03 - Speaker 2But to answer your question, JD, what's next is not cool. I've actually heard JD sing this song. 1:00:12 - Speaker 1Oh, that's right, I did it. I did it for a, i did it for a hip podcast, like I do a pod list, just like I do for medium alchemists And I sang it. Is that that was right? Yeah, yeah. 1:00:27 - Speaker 3I dug it, I thought it. I thought it was what's, what's that pod JD had that he took off. It was like JD sings in the shower, Was it that one? 1:00:36 - Speaker 2That's what I wanted. Jd sings in the shower. There was a. There was a. There was a video version of the podcast too, but that was yeah that was that, the lovely fans. No, i remember hearing this and the first time you sent it to me I think I was already living in Malaga. But great tune, i, you know this, and JD, you, you, you explained to me what this song was about and I've since forgotten because my brain doesn't work anymore at my age, but I did get. I think the reason why we started talking about it in the first place was because we I mentioned to you the another great Canadian singer, gordon Lightfoot's Right, ricky Deven, if it's Gerald. And so you, you brought this song up and that's kind of how it came into my, my atmosphere, my airspace if you will. 1:01:44 - Speaker 1Well, those are forever linked for me, because the first time I saw this song played live Gordon, he introduced it live as a Canadian musician, would be complete without a song about a nautical disaster. 1:02:04 - Speaker 5This song is called nautical disaster. These are the Dh과a stations for brokers. 1:02:36 - Speaker 6NotOf cybersecurity. This is Darryl, i don't wanna sweat. Ha. What's wrong? What's going on? Can't tell yourself I'm a foreign team. He said hang on, just stop, shut your big mouth and gotta do what you feel is real. He got no peace and false gods Got no Sunni, my baby. She won't know me when I'm thinking about music. I'm a foreign team. Keep it going, man. 1:04:11 - Speaker 7Let's keep the wagon wheel going. Alright, i had this dream where I relished the fray And the screaming filled my head all day. I felt as though I'd been spinned here, Settled in into the pocket. 1:04:44 - Speaker 6In a lighthouse on some rocky socket Of the coast of France, dear One afternoon. Four thousand men died in the water Here And five hundred more repression, matthew, is parasite's life In your blood. Now I'm in a lifeboat Designed for ten. Ten on me. Anything that's systematic Would get you hated. It's not a deal, nor a test, Nor a love of something stated. The selection was quick, the crew was in order And those left in the water Got kicked off the padlock And we headed home. 1:06:24 - Speaker 7And in the dream and when the phone rings, we're doing alright. 1:06:30 - Speaker 6I set it out there Those days and nights, but only a fool would complain. Anyway, susan, if you'd like A conversation To say myself, in my memory Is those fingertips Scratching on my heart, and I'm in a lifeboat Designed for ten. Ten on me. 1:07:41 - Speaker 7Anything that's systematic Would get you hated. It's not a deal, nor a test, nor a love of something stated, no matter how hard it is. You see how hard it is, it's real hard. 1:08:27 - Speaker 5There's a lifeboat Hanging on a wire Sucking up to someone, just a stoke of fire. 1:08:35 - Speaker 7Picking up the highlights of the scenery, saw some little clouds. 1:08:50 - Speaker 5They looked a little like me. I had my hands in the river, my feet back up from banks, looked up to the Lord above, said he'd call me thanks. Some times I feel so good I've got to scream. Said 40 baby, i know exactly what you mean, he said. He said I swear to God. He said Now, now. 1:09:27 - Speaker 6Now, okay, my memory Was my dear watch's river that I nailed. If near or leave a sink in there, then I don't wanna swear Swag, swag, swag, swag. 1:10:42 - Speaker 1Swag, swag, and then they launch into New Orleans' sinking. Oh my gosh, and you're sorta like what? What's going on? And then, in the middle of New Orleans' sinking, is this brand new song, fully fleshed out, not a? 1:11:00 - Speaker 3good one. You know, i read about this And it's fucking holy crap. 1:11:07 - Speaker 1It is a tornado Like it is, so destructive. 1:11:14 - Speaker 3And you know, there's not many bands Who perform live that do Extremely intentional things like that For the audience. There's not many bands that do that Doing something like that, mixing in a new song in the middle of a song People know And then did they circle back? 1:11:31 - Speaker 1Yeah, They finished, then they finished all of these things. 1:11:34 - Speaker 3That's just insane to me. I just love, i just love, love, love that. I just love that. If any, if any songwriters are out there, do that for me. When I come here you live, mix me in a new one. It's a treat, right? Yeah, because it's the opposite of going to a show And hearing a band play Like their album. You know, i've walked out of shows Because it's just boring as fuck. You know, i'll say this about In 18. I believe it was built to spill. Oh my gosh, it was like I could have just put on One of their records and sat at home. So, yeah, to be able to split in another song And keep going and mix it up And do all these things that are so creative And have the confidence to do that, and phew. 1:12:30 - Speaker 2The only thing I'll say in defensive built to spill Is there's always. 1:12:34 - Speaker 3Oh, everybody defends. Built to spill. 1:12:36 - Speaker 2No, no, i'm only saying it live I've never seen them live. Only because they always have a new line up. It's only a singer They do. They do. So if I'm a guy sitting in And part of the band this time around, the only thing I know is the record, because that's probably how they play together, which that's uh. Yeah, my buddy's seen them live And he kind of had the same feeling as you did. 1:13:01 - Speaker 1Same feeling as you did, i'm just starting to get into built. 1:13:04 - Speaker 3Yeah, sorry, bds fans. There you have it. There's another fan that wants to punch me in the gut. Not a cool disaster, i think it's fucking cool. Like my sentiment right away was like Here's the epic storytelling TH song. Here The drums it was like beating. Like we're charging into war Lifeboat designed for ten and ten. Only You know. There's just all these Great metaphors in there for like I don't know. 1:13:34 - Speaker 1Oh, i love the line about getting The remaining people in the water Getting kicked off at Antler. Oh man, i don't know why. Yeah, and this song, there's no structure, there's no verse, there's no chorus, it's just literally Like you said, tim, it's like a story. 1:13:51 - Speaker 3Yeah yeah, i don't know who the Susan reference is. I didn't look too much into that part, like, towards the end there's something about Susan Which I don't know why. With this band, whenever they mention a woman I'm always like. 1:14:03 - Speaker 1She's Evelyn's sister. 1:14:04 - Speaker 3Because it's often something grim. But you know this song there's. There's lots of data in there. This could be a rabbit hole song. It wasn't so much for me, just because I thought it was awesome. 1:14:19 - Speaker 1You're right, it is awesome. It's fucking awesome. Maybe I'm out and we're actually more song for the band. Where do we go next? Um Thugs? 1:14:28 - Speaker 2This is gonna sound really strange, but first of all, i love the chorus on this song. That's fantastic. I really dug this song a lot. It's ironic that it's called thugs and the baseline is a slowed-down version of Grandmaster flashes a message yes or yes? 1:14:54 - Speaker 3Whoa, I didn't go that deep, but I knew it was something like I. I felt there was something go out on in this song And I didn't know what I was you know, i didn't know what it was, but Uh, you keep going it's a deep, deep. 1:15:09 - Speaker 2There's clearly a deep admiration for Grandmaster flash Going on here and The. this the we reference to JD. You mentioned that this is the song where, or this is the record where, you realized they're actually a wee band out of your band. 1:15:30 - Speaker 1Um, yeah, it sort of. It sort of happened at the same time to me as well, no, but you know, there's the reference about All roll or rolling. I'll do the details, you do the roll and I'll do the details. I'm sorry about that. That's all right. 1:15:48 - Speaker 2Yeah, that's, that's kind of where. That's kind of Where I thought on that, the Again the chorus awesome, uh, there's. He keeps doing this high, are you know? it doesn't a couple times and on the record but he does like a high-pitched whoo And this song, that's really cool. And The spacey reverb Guitar is just like. I couldn't think of the song that it reminded me of or the artist, but it's, there's so much reverb on this on that guitar, it's like It's insane. 1:16:26 - Speaker 1Love it, love love, love this one. Yes, it's, yeah, you can swim in it Well said. Yeah, yeah. Where are you on thugs? 1:16:34 - Speaker 3You know I I Felt it was a little bit filler. You know I I didn't get a whole lot from this one I when I Started looking into kind of the movie references or what they get up trying to figure out When I was trying to figure out. You know any details About this song that could make me get into it more? I read and I've read this before, the quote from gourd, that if that's what you think it's about, then that's what it's about Sure, which made me think for this song. Okay, if it's. You know if I think gourd would tell me hey man, if you, if you don't dig this song, then maybe you should try Inevitability of death. You know, if you want to get heavier, then go here. If you don't, you don't get heavy with thugs and let's give you a song about struggling with cancer, which is, i think, inevitability of death. You know, there's what I enjoyed about this song is they mix it up a little bit. You know there's a Chorus singing without drums. You know they're starting to do little creative things on this album That I think help make it stand out and keep my interests more. That's kind of what I, yeah, that's kind of what I've noticed. But then you know, i think everybody probably knows anybody, or sorry, anyone knows someone is diet of cancer and maybe that's what this is about about and living life. You know, trying to Do everything to your fullest. I'm not sure about this. The song was, it was a good jam, it was it was. 1:18:17 - Speaker 1You know what you're not. You're not Far off the track. I don't think, though, when, when you say that about cancer but that would be just so terribly ironic you know Writing a song about that and then succumbing to that illness. You know all those. 1:18:38 - Speaker 3Yeah, exactly. 1:18:40 - Speaker 1Because it came on suddenly. It wasn't something he battled with for very long. It came on suddenly and he was gone, wow, other than a other than a cross-canada tour. But well, you just think, puffy lips, glistening skin, yeah, everything comes rushing in. That could be like reference to, like the chemotherapy you know, like rushing into your body. You know We don't go to hell, just yeah. I love the. I also just love the word play. I thought you'd be the death of inevitability to death just a little bit. I thought you'd be the inevitability of death to death just a little bit like. I love how it's inverted Mm-hmm, very cool, very cool. 1:19:21 - Speaker 2And he makes it work it's crazy that you say like puffy lips and glistening skin. I'm thinking of a. I'm thinking of like Scarlett Johansson and in a bikini like that's who. I'm like. That's right where I went when I heard that. That's so. I'm not even joking. 1:19:43 - Speaker 1That's like what I thought say, could have been yonder somebody somebody just came from LA, i think. 1:19:51 - Speaker 2It's been any time with Scarlett, though The I dig this song It's. It's not one of my favorites, but this was the song that Clearly did the one I mentioned earlier that that Alanis drew a lot of The word play and the way he phrases it is It's. It's exactly what she does in the song. You ought to know like it's. It's 100%. You can't Can't deny it. I'm sure if you had a gun to read she'd say yes, of course It's worth it. She's got the inspiration on. I. 1:20:33 - Speaker 1Don't think it would go that far, just just for the record. No, yeah, if you were interviewing her you would probably, i probably, i probably just ask her. 1:20:39 - Speaker 2Yeah, she seems like a nice person. 1:20:43 - Speaker 3Let's, let's, let's have her guest on the next one. 1:20:45 - Speaker 1He's gonna you have. You have that up, jady Yeah. 1:20:47 - Speaker 3Yeah. 1:20:48 - Speaker 1Yeah, I like the bass that. 1:20:49 - Speaker 2I think the chords are a little bit more. I think the chords are a little bit monotonous. The line if you go to hell, i'll still remember you, that's just. That's a really fucking cool line. But The bass starts to shine at the end, which is cool because because the chords are so I guess I've been honest the bass really isn't doing much, but then it does something that that only Tim Hates is more than I do. It's just faith. 1:21:27 - Speaker 3You know, i will say some of the hip, some of the hips, fadeouts are better than others. Okay, they've had they've had some oh dare I tragic fadeouts oh. I use that because I hate fade out so much. 1:21:47 - Speaker 2Jady, can you, can you You edit this in? can you, can you do that? 1:21:55 - Speaker 3That's funny. You mentioned that cuz a couple weeks ago, jd. I said to JD you know, sometimes I just want to add in a sound effect, like You know, and he's like you do not do that on my podcast, i hate sound effects, because I'm even thinking. 1:22:14 - Speaker 1You know, when you were talking earlier, you were talking about The bass being slowed down from Grandmaster Flash, like, oh, i could intercut. I could intercut like the Grandmaster Flash song so people could hear it. 1:22:27 - Speaker 2But then it's like It's so noticeable man, i mean it's it's so noticeable. It's exact same bass line, but anyway. 1:22:37 - Speaker 1Next song, though. So then we slow it down with scared. 1:22:41 - Speaker 3This that's so scared for me is it's like a. I instantly went to. This song would be an amazing concert concert closer. You know it's. It comes on, you know the night's finishing, it might be the what else? songs. You close your eyes at some point and just listen and get in deep. You know it's, there's, it's layered and story from I don't know Russia and the Germans and Stalin and Trying to make culture and art disappeared and like housekeepers and all these different things. It's like it's. It's. It's a sad kind of beautiful song that It's a little bit of a usual makeup for them with this kind of section of the album, but I thought it was, you know, on that note, kind of dark and lovely overall. 1:23:37 - Speaker 1What do you think, sir? 1:23:39 - Speaker 2I wasn't. I thought this was kind of like just a token. If you will token slow tune like It didn't do it for me, like When it comes to like softer hip songs, like it didn't give me the same Warm, fuzzy feeling is like fiddler's green did. 1:24:02 - Speaker 1Sure, okay, yeah, i mean, fiddler's green is a knockout pie. It is, but my god scared. I love this song really good. 1:24:10 - Speaker 2Maybe it's just positioning on the record, i don't know. I've got a Spend some more time with it and in this was actually one song. There's a couple of tunes. I didn't Get to hear the car, yeah, towards the end, because my car rides weren't as long and they started the record. I would put the first song on when I got in the car, so if I wasn't driving for a long time, obviously the song story the other record didn't didn't didn't make it in the in the car, but there was something really weird on this song. There was a Spacey sort of keyboard sound that kept going off. You know I'm talking about. 1:24:54 - Speaker 3I know, now I don't really yeah, the only thing that certainly stood out to me was the use of acoustic guitars. There's, you know that's. That was a little unusual. I don't remember keyboards. 1:25:05 - Speaker 2There's some sort of keyboard effect going on in there. That is Like the only thing I can equate it to is like you know the. It's like an oscillated version of. You know the sound of the, the metal hitting the, the track on the song. It's a sound of the men working on the chain game. Yeah, it's like it. It's like an echoey, delayed, oscillated, real subtle Vert Sample of that or something, something similar to that, and it's done with the keyboards and said it's on the song 100%. 1:25:46 - Speaker 1Huh, i've got to listen with these headphones. 1:25:49 - Speaker 2But yeah it's. It was a cool song. I dug it and I kind of wish I had more of a feeling the way you guys do about it. But you know it's okay there just hope for you. 1:25:59 - Speaker 1There's hope for you, peter. From there we go to an inch an hour, and this song always impressed me, because the math works out an In an hour today the same way, an inch an hour to feed a day, to moan tonight in this most professional way. 1:26:57 - Speaker 5There's this fucking band. You gotta see they used to care about living shit. I see no profit in talk. No food in town, no rock and roll, no bestiality. 1:27:10 - Speaker 6Makes me feel the same way. An inch an hour to feed a day, to moan tonight with their little mouth to say But our health is best with the people in the space. No stuff of town, no feed you through, no salt on the tev. It works through Making lots and moogs. 1:27:49 - Speaker 5Tonight I'm gonna win and make this gift heart. I want you to see your breath in the spring side. Heart, coffee colors, ice and feeling. First part Sound. The rushing water in the dark Makes me feel the same way. 1:28:06 - Speaker 6An inch an hour to feed a day, to moan tonight with their little mouth to say But our health is best with the people in the space. I mean our health is best with the people in the space. You see, i don't know me. I don't know me at all, i don't know myself. 1:28:47 - Speaker 1I don't know myself. I don't know myself. What did you think of this? 1:29:06 - Speaker 2one. I love the. I don't know if I paid attention to it in the other records, or I'm just hearing this now, or this is the first time they're really doing it, but I feel like the guitar is falling the vocal line, or the vocal line is falling the guitar a little bit more, which is cool, like the melody of what Gord's singing. I thought it was a fucking banger. Again, this is another one where he's like yelping. I can only say yelping because he's not screaming but he's saying oh, oh, like really multiple times during the song. Anyway, i love it. I thought this song would probably be a really good opener. I don't know if they ever opened with it, but Definitely thought it would be a good opener. 1:30:07 - Speaker 3I think this one I was anticipating, without even knowing it, after listening to Scared. Scared was like this epic kind of novel, three-part novel to get through And when an inch and hour came on in the car, within seconds was turning it way up Like. This is one that I kind of needed. With the placement in the album, it truly so. I read that it's potentially, or possibly, if it's about a fan who wrote a fan letter to the band. Supposedly this guy claims to come home at the end of his night shift every day. He would go buy some beer and sit on the stoop of his apartment And just crank tragically hip and drink beers. And he was thumbing through one of their albums and saw an address to write letters into

It was one of the largest members of the Hadrosaur family of plant-eating dinosaurs. Learn about this amazingly successful herbivore and how it was able to spread its numbers across Western North America!

In this episode we had this opportunity to sit down with Darren Parry, the former chairman chief of the North Western Shoshone tribe, which has about 550 members or so. He shared with us a story that was both tragic and hopeful at the same time about the Bear River Massacre, which is a powerful story. Brigham Young and the Latter-Day Saint movement led many people to Western North America where the Shoshones helped them with foraging and many other necessary survival skills. All was well until resources started becoming more scarce, which led to more and more discontent between the Indians and the settlers. What former chairman means 1:20How large the tribe is today 6:00Setting the groundwork for this story 10:32Complaining about the Indians and arrest warrants for the chiefs, and the massacre 17:15Darren's grandparents and passing down the story 29:00Our relationship with Mother Earth 39:29Restoring the natural state of things 42:08Telling the Shoshone story and the story of the land 46:34Let's not turn this into a “You owe me” type thing, but see the positives 56:50Reach out to Darren 61:19“What may have started as a battle, and when I think of a battle in my mind, I think of two equal groups, fighting it out, and what may have started equal after 10-15 minutes, quickly turned into indiscriminate killing of men, women, and children. My grandmother told me many times that our people were being slaughtered like wild rabbits. Men, women, and children were being butchered left and right.” 24:05@shoshonelderboaogoi.org

In this episode we hear a series of rants about the hideous living-concertina-wire that is Pyracantha, the Western Interior Seaway (RIP) and theamy fossils it produced in the Cretaceous limestone of Western North America, why shallow oceans produce more fossils than deep ones, permaculture projects in the desert, the coolest birding shirt ever made, dosing a botany conference, and more deranged and disjointed ranting then you can throw an Inoceramus fossil at.

In this month's episode, we have a fun conversation with Marian Kirst. If you have never taken a second to think about moths, please stop and listen to this episode. Have your mind blown! She works for the Montana Moth Project, a flagship program of the Northern Rockies Research and Educational Services, and is here with her inspiring passion to open your minds to how cool these little creatures are, their importance as pollinators, and how they may be affected by climate change.   Simple ways you can help moths: Reduce your light pollution (only have lights on when needed, shield your lights so they are pointed down, change your light bulbs) Post photos of moths you see on iNaturalist Come out for citizen science projects, like mothing nights run by Montana Moth Project at the Audubon Center in Billings (contact Marian for more details) Resources from the podcast: MontanaMothProject.org Colorado State University and their C.P. Gillette Museum of Arthropod Diversity (Where MMP collection is stored)  Chuck Heart, Macro moth specialist Peterson Field Guide  “Moths of Western North America” by Jerry A. Powell and Paul A. Opler Moth Photographers Group Website (Maps where moths are tracked, and pictures to help with identification)  Pacific Northwest Moths Website  Friends of the East Brunswick Environmental Commission (Run Moth Week each year) Moths and Moth Watching Facebook Group Research article on clothes moths

In this episode, we explore the birds that are flying through the Bay Area right now, how birds change their behavior for winter and late fall, and how you can help support birds in your backyard or observe them in your local park. As always, this episode concludes with a poem about nature. Sources and more information on specific subjects: American Robin Overview, All About Birds, Cornell Lab of Ornithology. https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/American_Robin/overview. Accessed 1 Dec. 2022. Dark-Eyed Junco Overview, All About Birds, Cornell Lab of Ornithology. https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Dark-eyed_Junco/overview. Accessed 1 Dec. 2022. Farming for Bird Habitat in California's Delta. www.youtube.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-N3zbyQvgU. Accessed 1 Dec. 2022. Quady, David E., et al. Birds of Northern California. First edition, R.W. Morse Company, 2015. Sibley, David. The Sibley Field Guide to Birds of Western North America. 1st ed, Alfred A. Knopf, 2003. Steller's Jay Overview, All About Birds, Cornell Lab of Ornithology. https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Stellers_Jay/overview. Accessed 1 Dec. 2022. Tallamy, Douglas W. Bringing Nature Home: How You Can Sustain Wildlife with Native Plants. Updated and Expanded pbk. ed, Timber Press, 2009. White-Crowned Sparrow Overview, All About Birds, Cornell Lab of Ornithology. https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/White-crowned_Sparrow/overview. Accessed 1 Dec. 2022. Bird Calls: American Robin Song. www.youtube.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZl2X4zjejA. Accessed 2 Dec. 2022. Dark-Eyed Junco Sings an Even Musical Trill. www.youtube.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8-dRrjkipA. Accessed 2 Dec. 2022. The Sounds of Steller's Jay - 4K. www.youtube.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vWtN5JG8RA. Accessed 2 Dec. 2022. White-Crowned Sparrow Song. www.youtube.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bcnB8S6KGk. Accessed 2 Dec. 2022.

The San Francisco Bay is the largest estuary in Western North America and a key link in the 4,000-mile Pacific Flyway, one of the primary migratory routes used by birds to move north and south across the continent. It's a place where birds come to rest and refuel for their long trip, or breed and nest the next generation. But in the span of a few human generations, 90% of California's wetlands have disappeared to development and agriculture, endangering migrating and local birds. Now drought and sea level rise are further diminishing important bird habitats. As climate change becomes a bigger threat to the Bay Area's local and migratory birds, scientists and conservationists work to help habitats adapt to climate change to ensure bird's futures. We'll talk to bird and conservation experts about how the Bay Area's bird population has changed, what it means for the environment, for us, and what can be done about it. Guests: Steven Beissinger, Professor of Conservation Biology, UC Berkeley Andrea Jones, Director of Bird Conservation, Audubon California Jenny Odell, author of "How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy"

Join us as Mountain Rose Herbs' Chief Marketing & Brand Officer, Thomas Dick, interviews local Eugene celebrity and beloved herbal educator, Howie Brounstein. Howie runs the Columbines School of Botanical Studies and was kind enough to step out of the woods and into our office for an in-person podcast interview. It was great to see our good friend face to face and chat about his unique herbal path - including backyard potions and hitchhiking across Western North America. With decades of hands-on experience, Howie talks to us about the impacts of wild crafting and the healing process of forming connections with the plants (and ecosystem) you harvest (from). We hope you enjoy this week's entertaining and story-full episode! Visit the Columbines School of Botanical Studies website. Howie Brounstein has taught botany, herbalism, and wildcrafting extensively for decades, including at such herbal establishments as the Southwest School of Botanical Medicine. He is the co-owner and a primary instructor of the Columbines School of Botanical Studies and has a clinical practice in Eugene, Oregon. He is well known for his brilliant in depth teaching style and his passionate love of plants. Apply for Grants 4 Plants. Join our community! Subscribe to the Mountain Rose Herbs newsletter Subscribe to Mountain Rose Herbs on YouTube Follow on Instagram Like on Facebook Follow on Pinterest Follow on Twitter Read the Mountain Rose Herbs blog Follow on TikTok Strengthening the bonds between people and plants for a healthier world. Mountain Rose Herbs www.mountainroseherbs.com

Summary: Have you ever wondered who is singing in your backyard? This series of The Feathered Desert can help you become an excellent audial birder. Join Cheryl and Kiersten as they play bird songs and calls in conjunction with discussing some of our desert birds. This is an interactive podcast so have your bird ID guide ready! Show Notes: References - The Sibley Field Guide to Birds of Western North America by David Allen Sibley iBird Ultimate: Ultimate Guide to Birds App Bird Song for Cactus Wren, Curve-billed Thrasher, Gila Woodpecker, and Gambel's Quail provided by Kiersten Gibizov. Bird song for Lesser Goldfinch and Great Horned Owl provided by Macaulay Library at the Cornell Lab of Ornithology Goldfinch recorded by Paul Marvin and Great Horned Owl recorded by Timothy Spahr   We are no longer sponsored by Wild Birds Unlimited, Mesa but through personal experience we highly recommend their products. 

It's no surprise growing food uses lots of water. One cow needs anywhere from 3 to 30 L of water a day. It takes 3200 L of water to grow one pound of lentils. In this episode we ask, what do we do when there's not enough water to feed our food? Here in Canada, 2021 made history as prairie farmers experienced one of the worst droughts Western North America has seen in the last 1200 years. After three years of reduced precipitation, prolonged dry spells change everything from the crops we're able to grow, right down to the cost of the food on our plates.  In this episode, we hear from Merle Massie and Reg Low -- Saskatchewan farmers who are experiencing the impact of drought and unpredictable precipitation firsthand. Jay talks with Leon Kochian, Associate Director of the Global Institute for Food Security, about the 'root' of the problem. We look at how far science has come in breeding drought-resistant crops to help farmers adapt to both floods and water scarcity, and at where it's headed as we try to feed an ever-expanding human population.  

Kyle sits down with one of the most dynamic wrestlers in Western North America, Randy Myers.  They talk Randy's early start of his career, the wrestling landscape in Alberta (and why he needed to move to BC), his blossoming comedy career, and much more.   Check us out on Twitter Randy: @RavenousRandy Kyle: @CanadianGooseKS Backbreaker Media: @BackbreakerMedi   Check out Gooses Pro Wrestling Tees store https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/canadiangoose   Catch us on Instagram Randy: @theweirdohero Kyle Shaw: @The.Canadian.Goose Backbreaker Media: @BackbreakerMedia   This November BBM Head Mike Malowany is raising money for jack.org, with all proceeds going towards teenage suicide prevention education.  Check out our Tiltify page for all the details.  As well, all profits from Merchandise sales from the Backbreaker Gaming site will go to jack.org as well.

This past year has seen an onslaught of disruptions that call into question our ability to coexist with our environment. The devastating effects of climate change have arrived, and show no signs of abating. Flash flooding has swept across China and Northern Europe. The Eastern United States has been inundated by hurricanes of historic size. Record breaking heat waves and wildfires have decimated large swaths of Western North America. And a global pandemic continues to rage on. All of this begs the question, must we look elsewhere in our universe to ensure the survival of humanity? A growing movement of astrophysicists, biologists, and billionaire space enthusiasts believes our salvation does indeed lie offplanet. Supporters of this movement argue that we are on the cusp of technology that puts this possibility within reach, and that exploration and settlement to deal with issues of environmental instability and scarcity is nothing new. Settling the reachable regions of our universe is merely an extension of this age-old trend. But detractors of the plans to settle space dismiss it as an immeasurably expensive fever dream. In their minds, it would be far more prudent to invest our time and resources into fixing the problems here on Earth, the only known planet to host life. Beyond the massive technological advancements required, there are simply far too many unknowns about how and where life originated to assume it can be simply transported through the cosmos. Arguing for the motion is Milan Cirkovic, Research Professor at the Astronomical Observatory of Belgrade and author of Global Catastrophic Risks. Arguing against the motion is Lord Martin Rees, Lord Martin Rees Astronomer Royal, former President of The Royal Society. He is the author of On the Future whose updated paperback edition is due out in October, and The End of Astronauts due out in March of 2022. Milan Cirkovic: “There are many human achievements which, almost by definition, could never be realized if humanity remains bound to Earth.” Lord Martin Rees: “It is a dangerous delusion to think that we could escape the Earth's problems by going to Mars." Sources: Engadget, Blue Origin, SpaceX, European Space Agency, World Government Summit and 60 Minutes Australia The host of the Munk Debates is Rudyard Griffiths - @rudyardg.   Tweet your comments about this episode to @munkdebate or comment on our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/munkdebates/ To sign up for a weekly email reminder for this podcast, send an email to podcast@munkdebates.com.   To support civil and substantive debate on the big questions of the day, consider becoming a Munk Member at https://munkdebates.com/membership Members receive access to our 10+ year library of great debates in HD video, a free Munk Debates book, newsletter and ticketing privileges at our live events. This podcast is a project of the Munk Debates, a Canadian charitable organization dedicated to fostering civil and substantive public dialogue - https://munkdebates.com/ The Munk Debates podcast is produced by Antica, Canada's largest private audio production company - https://www.anticaproductions.com/   Executive Producer: Stuart Coxe, CEO Antica Productions Senior Producer: Jacob Lewis Editor: Kieran Lynch Associate Producer: Abhi Raheja

Sage grouse may be known for their elaborate courtship displays in the Sage Brush Sea of Western North America, but conserving the species has raised their profile to the national level as private land owners, public land managers and state and federal fish and wildlife agencies worked together in partnership to change the paradigm of a species in peril. In this episode, we talk to ODFW sage grouse conservation coordinator Skylar Vold and OSU Associate Professor Christian Hagen about the species' profile in Oregon. We cover their biology, conservation efforts and hunting these fascinatingly iconic birds. 

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Hawk Mountain Senior Research Biologist David Barber and Coastal Raptors founder and Executive Director Dr. Dan Varland discuss the ongoing research and monitoring of turkey vultures living and migrating in western North America.  Visit the following links to learn more about Hawk Mountain's and Coastal Raptor's vulture research: HMS Vulture Research: hawkmountain.org/conservation-science/active-research/raptor-conservation-studies/new-world-vultures Coastal Raptors Vulture Research: https://coastalraptors.com/Research/TurkeyVultureTracking.aspx Coastal Raptors Collaboration with HMS: https://coastalraptors.com/Collaborations/HawkMountainSanctuaryAssociation.aspx Visit www.hawkmountain.org to learn more about our science, education, and stewardship, or plan a visit! If you would like to sponsor a future podcast episode, please reach out to info@hawkmountain.org. Thank you for listening!

Extreme heat has affected much of Western North America since late June, and we are still seeing temperatures over 30 degrees.  Thoughts of swimming, boating and stand up paddle boarding with our dogs have never been more prevalent.  Sporty Pups talks with Canine Fitness and SUP Trainer Rhonda Danyluk about what we need to know, and what we can do with our pups at home, before heading to the nearest body of water.  

Who ordered the assassination of Haitian President Jovenel Moïse? What does one billion sea animals being cooked alive by a heat wave in Western North America mean for the future of humanity? Why are Indian medical professionals conspiring to swindle people with fake vaccines? All this and more (including Ben's obsession with radioactive Fukushima boar-pig hybrids) in this week's Strange News. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

We learn that Andrew is an expert in cooling your home, Jason discovers an app that no one has ever heard of and Martin gets hung up on spelling and grammar for a moment (surprise!). ...or is that 'hung upon'? No, wait, 'spelling' and 'grammar' are mass nouns, so you couldn't really hang anything from them. Intro 00:00:00 Happy birthday, Benji!

Record heat, fires, smoke, hurricanes, floods and huge hail, how's is your 4th of July holiday going? Western North America is yet again being baked and burned to the ground, and summer is just getting started. The eastern half of the US continues to be kept cool and wet in between heat waves. Covert climate intervention operations are core to both equations. Within the ranks of populations, many continue to blindly roll up their sleeves in the belief that doing so will somehow save them from what is unfolding. How long do we have until impact? The latest installment of Global Alert News is below, thank you for tuning in.

When Stockhouse Editorial last caught up with Green River Gold Corp. (CCR) (CSE.CCR, Forum) and its CEO Perry Little last December, the company was, like so many others, adjusting to doing business in a COVID-19 world but at the same time keeping busy with a series of new property acquisitions, partnerships, and M&A’s.   Founded in the summer of 2017, Quesnel, BC-based Green River Gold Corp. is a publicly-traded mineral exploration company that has a controlling interest in a wide variety of projects in this historic gold producing region. In addition to exploring its highly prospective hard rock gold property in the historic Barkerville area of B.C., Green River rents placer claims to placer gold miners for cash rent, in lieu of a royalty. The Company also sells mining supplies and equipment to placer miners from its 6,000 square foot facility also located in Quesnel. The Company is even a limited partner in a partnership that purchases raw placer gold directly from miners.   In this intriguing metals & mining podcast, Stockhouse Media’s Dave Jackson was rejoined by Mr. Little to get investors and company shareholders up-to-date on the latest and greatest hits from CCR.   TRANSCRIPT BELOW:   SH: As I alluded to the intro, it’s been a busy last six months for CCR and things look to be ramping up big time in the Cariboo this summer. Can you give us an update on what’s been happening with Green River Gold?   PL: Hi Dave. It is nice to be back. We have had a very busy stretch, actually going back over a year now, to about the time of the first podcast we did. We have moved the ball forward on every aspect of the business over that time….and we have a lot of aspects. We are closing our $700,000 financing this week as well. It was originally set at $500,000 but we had a pleasant surprise recently with some sudden interest out of Europe and we were oversubscribed. A German newsletter writer has picked up on the story and is covering us for the German, Swiss and Austrian markets. It is good to be noticed.   SH: Perry, you’ve just announced commencement of the U-A-V-mag airborne drone geophysics survey on its Fontaine Lode Gold Project. These kind of geo surveys don’t come cheap. So what’s the high-end potential of what lies beneath surface here?   PL: Well, as you know, we really took our time, and we were very deliberate with the acquisition and staking of that property. In my days as a stockbroker, I had followed the Barkerville gold story for over 15 years and I had also been following our other neighbour, Omineca mining with their Wingdam project, for a long time. I was quite familiar with the area before we started getting serious looking for property in 2017. It wasn’t until March 2019 that we finally made the acquisition of the core part of the property and staked all of the surrounding ground that we wanted. In total we have about 90 square kilometres of hard rock claims that are contiguous to the Barkerville Gold Mines property.   Our timing was a little lucky. One month after we closed on the acquisition, Osisko took over Barkerville Gold Mines and began to fast track the Barkerville property to production. That brought some serious capital to the neighbourhood and things really heated up. Omineca staked a bunch of additional property shortly after that and both companies have been moving forward quickly with exploration and development. Our property is bookended by Osisko and Omineca.   Osisko’s project has an indicated resource of 3.2 million ounces of gold and an inferred resource of 2.72 million ounces of gold. We are definitely in a good neighbourhood and we got in before the prices went up.   Geologically speaking, the Fontaine property straddles an 18-kilometre length of the Quesnel, Barkerville and Slide Mountain terranes. Between the early 1970’s and early 1990’’s, sporadic work was carried out on the property, consisting of prospecting and sampling bedrock and overlying soil horizons. Several showings with anomalous gold and silver values were identified as a result of this work.   The project has not really seen some of the modern exploration techniques. We should get the results of the UAV-MAG geophysics survey within a few weeks. The survey will cover 67 square kilometres with 1,500-line kilometres with 50 metre spacing. The drones can fly at treetop level to give exceptional detail. We expect that this will help us to identify high priority drill targets for an anticipated drill program. We are very excited to see the survey results in a few short weeks. We will be announcing our 2021 surface and near-surface exploration programs for the property shortly.   SH: In a recent Stockhouse article, you detailed how – with renewed exploration – CCR is now the at the epicentre of the original Cariboo gold rush. How so?   PL: The original Cariboo Gold Rush started in 1860 and was centred around Barkerville which is only a few kilometres from our Fontaine Project. At its peak in the 1860’s and 1870’s, Barkerville was one of the largest communities in Western North America. Historic gold production in the Cariboo since the original gold rush has been about 3.8 million ounces, roughly half of that from placer deposits and half from lode deposits. Placer and hard rock activity are both picking up again. Our business model allows us to benefit from the increased levels of placer activity while searching for the big lode gold score.   There is a lot going on in the area again, for the first time in decades really. Osisko’s appearance on the scene late in 2019 has sparked interest in the Cariboo. Omineca is actively drilling on the other side of us as well. I believe it is the beginning of a new gold rush in the area. Much of the Cariboo has not really been explored using modern exploration techniques. The old-timers got the easy-to-reach placer gold but did not have the technology to go deeper or to explore as effectively for lode gold. There is a lot to be discovered yet. The sources of the placer gold found on many of the numerous creeks and rivers in the Cariboo have yet to be located. The hunt is on.   SH: Perry, the Company looks set for strong growth in 2021. How are you placed to expand operations?   PL: This initial Fontaine exploration is just the start of what we plan to do with that property, but we have several other irons in the fire as well. When we acquired the Fontaine project, we were aware of some interesting nickel showings on a portion of the property. Recent developments have highlighted that potential and we will have more to say about that over the next few weeks. In February we announced the acquisition of the 1,214-hectare Kymar Silver Project near Invermere B.C., and we just announced our initial exploration plans for Kymar for this Summer. It has some interesting historical production, and we are excited to start work on that one as well.   As you know, we are more than just an exploration company. We got started on a number of different gold-related business ventures over the past couple of years and they are all expanding this year.   SH: That brings me back to what I had mentioned earlier that the company really has developed a one-of-kind business model in the metals & mining space. Can you tell our investor audience some of the inherent benefits in it?   PL: Sure Dave. I followed and invested in a lot of junior mining companies over a couple of decades as a stockbroker. One of the issues that most junior miners face is the constant need to raise financing to pay for exploration, and the dilution that comes with it. From the beginning, I looked to find businesses related to gold mining that could generate cash flow to offset some or hopefully all of that reliance on the often-fickle capital markets. So far, we have started several businesses that service the hundreds of placer miners that are active in the Cariboo. We retail placer mining supplies, and we also sell larger placer mining equipment, much of which is manufactured by a related private company right in our shared building. Our building is located in Quesnel, in the heart of the Cariboo district and an easy commute from most of our mining properties. We are a Limited Partner in a partnership which purchases raw placer gold from the local miners and sells it to refiners and other end users. We also provide consulting and permitting services to the local placer mining community.   Those businesses allow us to maintain a talented local workforce and give us year-round access to our Cariboo properties from just down the road. Our exploration costs are reduced by having local geological expertise and a local labour force.   Ultimately, the idea is to generate enough cash flow from our other businesses to fund much of our exploration costs internally.   SH: Part of your business model is really unique in the mining space – acquire and develop placer mining claims and then leasing them out. Can you explain this in detail to our audience?   PL: In simple terms, we are a placer mining company that will never do any placer mining. Think of it as a modified royalty model applied to placer gold mining. Most placer mines are small, mom and pop operations that are chronically underfunded. We have 24 square kilometres of placer mining claims and we have a number of claims that are permitted and ready to mine. Learning from our own experience of placer mining through a private company, we came up with a model that works to allows placer miners to get mining with less start-up cost. It also gives Green River access to safe cash flows. We rent out the placer claims for a monthly cash rent based on expected gold recoveries and the placer miners take the exploration risk and develop the claims. We put up the reclamation bond. The miner saves the up-front cost of purchasing a claim and putting up the bond. We maintain ownership and get the benefit of the development work done by the renters and any exploration success that they have.   It is similar in many ways to land development, except that in our case, we acquire the land, permit it, and somebody else pays us to do the development. The amount of rent we receive is by far the lesser part of the benefit we receive. The increase in the value of the mining property as it gets turned into an operating mine, from a piece of raw forest, is the main benefit. If the miner is successful in discovering economic quantities of placer gold, the value of the claim will go up even more. We tend to own blocks of claims in the same vicinity so any mining success will push up the value of the proximate claims as well. Any money spent by the miner exploring or producing on our claims also extends the expiration date on the claims without us having to spend any money on assessment work. It works for the renter and it works for us.   SH: It would be remiss of me not to mention your stock has had been on a bit of a roller coaster ride over the last 12 months. What can you tell our investor audience regarding the current valuation of your stock and why you think it’s a good buy right now?   PL: With a little over 54 million shares outstanding, we currently have a market capitalization of less than $4 million. For that price, investors are getting our highly prospective 90 square kilometre Fontaine lode gold project, which is right next to a gold mine that is expected to be in production in 2023. They also get 24 square kilometres of placer gold claims, a retail business, a stake in a gold trading enterprise, our Quesnel Nickel Project, and our Kymar Silver Project. We also have a 6,000 square foot combined office, retail, and manufacturing building that serves as home-base for all our businesses. We have local employees and consultants who live within an easy daily commute of all our Cariboo properties.   All that for less than $4 million, and we are just getting started. We have a lot of other ideas in the works.   For more information on the company and investment opportunities in Green River Gold Corp., visit their website at www.greenrivergold.ca.     FULL DISCLOSURE: This is a paid article produced by Stockhouse Publishing.

In this episode we discuss the sounds of the Black-capped Chickadee! We also touch briefly on the Peterson Field Guide to Bird Sounds of Western North America. We talk about the difference between a phrase and a series, and we go over how those apply to some of the songs and calls that the Black-capped Chickadee makes. We hope you enjoy! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/calling-all-birds/message

Deerman: A New Cryptid? What are your thoughts on the anthropomorphic stag said to haunt the forests, prairies , and tundra of Western North America?  

Author and environmental activist Terry Tempest Williams on W.S. Merwin’s poem The Last One, leaving Mormonism and writing from pain. To learn more about the books we discussed in this episode, check out Michael DiGiorgio and Roger Tory Peterson’s Peterson Field Guide to Birds of Western North America, Kafka’s Metamorphosis, Marie Louise Von Franz’s Creation Myths and Gladys Reichard’s Navajo Religion. To hear the latest at Macmillan, be sure to check out our newsletter here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A story of the end of the world from indigenous peoples, specifically people of the Great Plains of Western North America, and the lessons we should learn from this tale. Support the show (https://www.paypal.com/donate/?token=d-CcoL6oQgAQLay31fDlldX0lG4pPB-spBUmKaBZ51foVF7NWvq9Kt1J_o17tiIgZw9kpm&country.x=US&locale.x=US)

Curt Woolfolk, the Senior Agronomist for Western North America, sits down to chat about Crop Nutrition by Mosaic Company and what you should look for this planting season. Click, here, for more information about Crop Nutrition.

Nathan Pieplow, author of the new Peterson Field Guide to Bird Sounds of Western North America sits down with Mardi Dickinson for this exclusive talk on all things Bird Sounds.      

The Emotet banking trojan has been popping up in the news for years: From widespread malspam infections of banking German targets in 2014, all the way up to the costly infection of a New Hampshire town’s computer network in July. And while the tricky Emotet malware first emerged targeting banking credentials, over the past year researchers have called out the trojan for changing its tactics – and its targets. Sig Murphy, consulting director for Western North America at Cylance, says that this evolution will continue in 2019.

Learn what opportunities are available to become a geologist. Hear what forces cause the landscape to be filled with peaks, valleys, and ridges. What forces created Western North America as we know it today? The massive lava flows that the created the Columbia River Basalts and Steens lava flows in Eastern Oregon may be related to Yellowstone. Earthquakes don’t cause volcanos, magma related to volcanos create earthquakes.

Welcome to episode #17 of IoT Product Leadership, a podcast featuring in-depth conversations with product leaders on what it takes to build great IoT products. I’m your host, Daniel Elizalde.     I have a very special show for you today. My guest is Anthony Harrison. Director of Public Policy at ChargePoint, the world’s largest network of electric vehicle charging stations.     Anthony is a seasoned expert on Public policy; specifically he is an expert on how policy impacts technology and business strategy.     I had the opportunity to work with Anthony in the past, and I was always very impressed with his knowledge, passion, and willingness to work with Product teams to create opportunities and remove roadblocks.     That’s why I’m so excited to have him in the show to share his expertise with you.    In this episode, Anthony shares his experience driving policy at multiple technology companies. He also explains why electric vehicles are so disruptive, and shares how to foster the ideal partnership between Product and Policy teams. This is an episode that no Product leader should miss.     To learn more about Anthony, about ChargePoint, and to access the resources mentioned in this episode, visit iotproductleadership.com.     There you’ll find the show notes for all episodes, including this one.      About Anthony Harrison:    Anthony Harrison leads ChargePoint’s public policy and government relations activities in Western North America. He has dedicated his professional career to working on driving adoption of innovative clean technologies and sustainable practices with individuals, businesses and communities. This includes over a decade of experience in advocating for public policy programs and initiatives that support the deployment of solar, energy efficiency, energy storage, demand response, and electric vehicle charging infrastructure. Prior to ChargePoint, Anthony held policy leadership positions with Stem, the California Efficiency and Demand Management Council, Ecology Action, Renew Financial, and the California State Legislature.   About ChargePoint:   ChargePoint brings electric vehicle (EV) charging to more people and places than ever before with the world’s largest and most open EV charging network. We design, build and support all of the technology that powers this network, from charging station hardware to energy management software to a mobile app. Our work transforms transportation and energy use by helping more people choose to drive electric.   Topics we discuss in this episode:   Anthony shares his background and about ChargePoint. ChargePoint’s approach to IoT solutions. How the electric vehicle industry is disruptive beyond electricity as fuel. Anthony’s approach to reactive vs. proactive collaboration between Product and Policy teams. The “relationship triangle” between Product, Sales, and Policy teams when it comes to impacting a roadmap. How the ability to aggregate data from multiple devices in the cloud, creating a “Fleet” of assets, is a benefit. Anthony’s perspective on the “fleetification” of products, and some of the Policy and Product implications that come from it. How regulations in areas such as transportation and energy can impact a product roadmap in ways that are not obvious. Advice for Product Leaders who are new at developing IoT solutions.   To learn more about Anthony and ChargePoint:   ChargePoint ChargePoint Blog Anthony on LinkedIn On Twitter @cleantechtony  

I like to interview interesting people for my Photographing the West podcast and Harry Fuller certainly is one. During a career in journalism, he lost interest in baseball and took up birding instead. After moving to San Francisco, he rapidly advanced from beginning birder to expert birder and began to write about birds. In the process of moving from San Francisco to Ashland, Oregon, he discovered many birding hot spots along I-5 and went on to write a book about them and other birding spots between San Francisco and Seattle.  His second book describes his adventures in finding and documenting the Great Gray Owl in California, Oregon and Washington. Finally, his just published third book describes the natural history of San Francisco from pre-Columbian times to the present. Harry's journalistic training and experience lead him to do a deep dive into any subject that interests him. You won't regret purchasing any of his books: Freeway Birding, San Francisco to Seattle by Harry G. Fuller (Author) Great Gray Owl of California, Oregon and Washington Hardcover by Peter J Thiemann (Author, Photographer),‎ Harry Fuller (Author) San Francisco's Natural History: Sand Dunes to Streetcars by Harry G. Fuller (Author) Websites: freewaybirding.com www.towhee.net Blog Activities: January 24-28, 2018: I will be at the 2018 Snow Goose Festival in Chico, California. I will give three presentations: Great Gray Owls, Sandhill Cranes and on birding Interstate 5.  Also I will be leading a couple field trips, including one focused on the wintering cranes. March 2-6  I will lead a fund-raising trip for Klamath Bird Observatory onto the Olympic Peninsula.  Some of our target birds will be Rhino Auklets, Harlequin and Long-tailed Duck, Red-necked Grebe, all three scoter sp. and Trumpeter Swans. March 15th: I will speak at the Sacramento Audubon Society meeting. Topic: Birding I-5 and the Great Gray Owl. March 16th: I will speak at the Lindsay Museum, Walnut Creek, CA,  Topic: Great Gray Owls.  They house the only living, captive Great Gray Owl in California. Contact Info: Harry Fuller Birding Guides: The Sibley Guide to Birds, 2nd Edition by David Allen Sibley (Author) The Sibley Field Guide to Birds of Eastern North America: Second Edition by David Sibley (Author) Sibley Birds West: Field Guide to Birds of Western North America by David Sibley (Author) Thanks for listening. Please leave us a review on iTunes! Kirby www.flanaganfotos.com kirby@flanaganfotos.com  

In our first live taping of Exceptional Women Out West, at the WPI North America meeting in Portland, we were pleased to include three truly exceptional and interesting advertising professionals. Lori Bartle, president of MeringCarson in Sacramento, Mary Knight, ECD at Hydrogen in Seattle and Andeen Pitt, partner at Wasserman and Partners Advertising in Vancouver joined us on stage and shared a great deal of wisdom and perspective on their work, lives, the state of the industry — and there was plenty of candor to go around. Battle shared a story about how she was perceived as “arrogant” — when, in fact, it’s likely her Midwestern roots, steeped in pragmatism was misconstrued. Knight discussed the importance of relevance and how extra cheese flavor on a Doritos chip made her realize this was the case. Pitt weighed in on the vitality of inclusion and how we, as an industry, should be talking more about it and including more people in the abundance the marketing industry creates. The conversation also included riffs on curiosity, not ignoring the voices of others and, echoing the spirit of the Portland gathering, why independence is such a big deal. A wide-ranging conversation and the perfect maiden effort in bringing the views of women from Western North America together in one place.

It's almost here! In just twenty-four hours we'll have the return of Premier League football to enjoy. Aston Villa are set to kick off the season with a trip to newly-promoted (and Premier League debutant) AFC Bournemouth. FOOTBALL!We had a few scheduling issues this week, but we desperately wanted to get you one last Holtecast before the season began. So while Jack was out in the wilderness of Western North America, we had James come in and make his debut. Together we kept things short. Focused on figuring out what might be seen at Bournemouth and figuring out our expectations for the season.And of course, we found out who James REALLY hates. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Our guest this morning was Christopher J. Earle, co-author of a book called Trees of Western North America. These authors have compiled a book not just about identifying trees, but teaching about trees: how they grow, where they came from, how people have used them. Here, we're talking specifically about trees that are growing in the wild, whether native or naturalized. Christopher is also the author of a popular web site, Conifers.Org -- a fabulous wealth of information at your disposal.

 John MionczynskiBy training and experience he is an accomplished naturalist/adventurer of the old-fashioned kind -- resourceful enough to earn comparisons to the magnanimous outlaw Butch Cassidy.The project closest to Mionczynski's heart, though, was secret until recently: He's spent decades gathering evidence of a creature most people think is a myth -- a giant, secretive primate inhabiting the forests of Western North America that's known as Sasquatch, or Bigfoot. "It's a subject of ridicule, but I think it's also cutting-edge science," he says. "People being afraid to suffer ridicule has prevented science from moving forward. 

Tyrannosaurus rex is a dinosaur celebrity, a villain in most dinosaur movies and documentaries, but where did the massive beast come from? On November 6, 2013, a team of paleontologists including our expert in this episode, Dr. Randy Irmis from the University of Utah and the Natural History Museum of Utah, published two new skeletons of Tyrannosaurus’s close kin: Teratophoneus and Lythronax. The skeletons reveal Tyrannosauridae (T. rex’s family) was diverse 80 million years ago with different species living in different parts of Western North America. The new genus Lythronax is the oldest member of the Tyrannosauridae even though its anatomy closely resembles the last species of tyrannosaurid, T. rex. A massive sea divided Western North America, called Laramidia, from Eastern North America, called Appalachia. Laramidia was a long, skinny continent that ran from Alaska to Baja California. In general, in modern ecosystems, the larger the land-mass, the more species can live on it. Laramidia was one-tenth the size of the continent of North America, but it supported more species of large animals than the complete continent of North America today! Geologists, paleontologists, and ecologists aren’t sure how this was possible so they continue to search for new fossils and the origins of the North American ecosystem. New fossils, like Teratophoneus and Lythronax show us there are still more questions to answer using the fossil record! Sic semper tyrannis! The post Episode 9: New Relatives of Tyrannosaurus rex! appeared first on Past Time Paleo.