2 Pastors and a Mic

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Robin Smit to discuss her book Behold the Lamb, the finished work of Christ, and why our identity as sinless is a game-changer. Packed with insight, encouragement, and powerful truths about grace, we think you'll enjoy this conversation.00:00 - Welcome and Milestone Announcement01:10 - Introducing Dr. Robin Smit01:49 - Book Series Overview & Two-Part Interview02:24 - Travel and Author Update02:44 - Robin's Writing Journey Begins03:41 - From Article to First Book04:48 - Publishing Strategy and Second Book05:35 - Writing Challenges and Book Three06:04 - Behold the Lamb: Doctoral Dissertation06:38 - Why “Behold the Lamb” Matters07:52 - How Many Books Has Robin Written?08:54 - Roots of Grace Revelation09:53 - Embracing Whole Redemption Now10:42 - Once You See It, You Can't Unsee It11:55 - Key Teachings and Identity Language13:00 - Exploring Sin as Dysfunction14:06 - Adam's Identity as Son of God14:58 - Book Recommendation & Wrap-Up

In this episode, we sit down with our friend Zoran from Macedonia to talk about grace, calling, and the beauty of living a life led by the Spirit. His stories, prophetic insight, and heart for people will leave you encouraged and challenged. Don't miss this powerful conversation!00:08 - Intro and Welcome01:20 - Special Guest Introduction: Zoran03:00 - First Encounter and Prophetic Encouragement04:10 - Zoran's Family and Global Ministry06:45 - Embracing Grace and Loving All People10:00 - Ministry Work in Macedonia13:00 - Activating Hidden Callings in Others16:00 - Prophetic Words and Long-Term Impact18:30 - Faith, Grace, and Practical Spirituality20:45 - The Power of Words and Unexpected Impact22:00 - Encouragement from James 1:1724:00 - Life Is a Gift and Perfect Moments25:00 - Zoran's Website and Social Media26:00 - Closing Thoughts and Book Promo27:00 - Final Blessing and Sign-Off

In this episode, we're joined by the brilliant Shane Willard for a powerful and thought-provoking conversation on the gospel, reconciliation, and why Jesus prioritized tables over tablets. Despite a technical glitch, this AI-enhanced episode captures one of the richest interviews we've ever had. Shane unpacks theology with humor, clarity, and depth - covering everything from Acts 8 to redefining righteousness, and why true spirituality is about digging deeper wells, not building higher fences.➡️ Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe.

In this final episode of the “Let's Talk About Hell” series, we answer listener questions, unpack common objections, and offer five reasons to follow Jesus that have nothing to do with eternal punishment. It's not fear that transforms us - it's love, peace, and purpose.This isn't about abandoning faith - it's about deepening it.00:00 - Welcome & No Question of the Week00:26 - Celebrating a Record-Breaking Week01:01 - Listener Highlight: Jordan's Testimony02:20 - Shoutouts to the Team & Studio Upgrade03:01 - Handmade Gift from Bobby03:52 - Gratitude for the Hill City Team04:46 - Jumping into Week 4 of “Let's Talk About Hell”05:41 - Reminder: This Isn't Exhaustive Theology06:16 - Upcoming Conference with Shane Willard06:56 - Transforming Gehenna: The Redeeming God08:52 - Rapid Fire Listener Questions09:19 - Does Suicide Send You to Hell?10:18 - What About Revelation 21:8?11:32 - The “Depart from Me” Verses12:26 - Common Questions About Hell & Christianity12:48 - If There's No Hell, Why Follow Jesus?13:52 - Dr. Matt Pandell & Jacob Wright Quotes14:50 - Reframing Evangelism Without Fear15:28 - Reason 1: Abundant Life Now (John 10:10)16:20 - Understanding Union With Christ17:33 - John 20: Purpose of the Gospel18:14 - Reason 2: Responsibility to Bring Heaven Now19:05 - Brian Zahnd: People Need Love, Not Threats20:01 - Why This Matters More Than Afterlife Doctrine21:00 - Real Life Campaign: Being the Church Daily21:58 - Reason 3: Living Intentionally & Leaving a Legacy23:11 - Writing Books for Generational Impact24:00 - Citizenship in Heaven, Residency on Earth24:34 - Reason 4: Perspective in Pain25:48 - Reason 5: Peace That Surpasses Understanding27:23 - Evangelism as Restoration, Not Saving Souls28:30 - Closing Thoughts: Peace Over Fear29:10 - Belief Activates the Truth in You29:27 - Final Word: You Are Loved—And Nothing Can Change That

In this week's episode, we dive into part 3 of our series on Hell - challenging traditional beliefs about hell, unpacking Jewish and early church perspectives, and exploring why fear has no place in the gospel. We share listener feedback, address theological criticism, and ask some hard but necessary questions about God's love, judgment, and what it really means to follow Jesus.Whether you're curious, skeptical, or wrestling with your own faith journey, this conversation is meant to open dialogue - not shut it down.00:00 - Welcome & Podcast Intro00:23 - The Purpose Behind These Conversations01:16 - Feedback and Questions from Listeners02:04 - Responding to Online Criticism03:30 - Coloring Books, Theology, and Humor05:06 - Nearly 100K Downloads & Gratitude05:41 - Preaching About Hell at Church06:54 - Why We Talk About Hell Publicly07:59 - Announcing the New Ebook on Judgment & Wrath08:42 - Week 3: What the Hell Series Intro09:27 - Recap of the Four Hell Words in Scripture10:04 - Diversity of Jewish Thought on the Afterlife11:19 - Olam Haba & Resurrection Beliefs11:59 - Gehenna as Temporary Purification12:48 - Recommended Deep Dive: John Crowder Teaching13:35 - God's Fire as Healing, Not Harm14:12 - Powerful Quotes About God's Wrath14:52 - Fire Reveals the True Self16:00 - The Real Goal: Removing Fear from Theology17:04 - Biblical Love Casts Out Fear17:16 - A Biblical View of Hell as Earthly Experience18:19 - Hell as Earthly Suffering, Not Afterlife Threat19:02 - 70 AD vs. Afterlife: What Was Jesus Talking About?19:49 - Hell Shouldn't Be in Gospel Presentations20:56 - Adam vs. Jesus: Who Holds More Power?21:25 - Paul's Gospel Never Mentions Hell22:10 - What the Disciples Did—and Didn't—Say About Hell23:16 - No NT Precedent for Hell in the Gospel23:49 - Old Covenant vs. New Covenant Logic Breakdown24:46 - Jesus as High Priest vs. OT Priests25:12 - Challenging Question: Is Eternal Hell Logical?26:04 - The Tragic Case of Andrea Yates27:06 - Atonement Theory Breakdown: Did Jesus Suffer Hell?28:13 - Jesus Defeated Death—Not Suffering in It28:42 - God Is Love, Not Death and Torture29:18 - Defining Hell: No Longer Being Able to Love29:35 - Empowerment to Manifest Heaven30:15 - Manifesting Heaven or Hell: You Choose30:49 - Closing Reminder: You Are Loved

Join us for week two on our conversation about hell.00:00 - Welcome and Podcast Intro00:23 - Celebrating Feedback from Last Episode01:46 - Shoutouts to Supporters and Hill City Church03:09 - Theology Must Lead to Love04:26 - Personal Encouragement and Emotional Funk05:45 - Why We're Talking About Hell: Removing Fear06:59 - Challenging Harmful Beliefs and Church History08:05 - Clarifying Early Church Views on Hell09:53 - Foundations and Origins of Hell11:05 - Gehenna and Jesus' Use of Fire Metaphors11:51 - Understanding Destruction and Restoration12:48 - Wrestling with Free Will and God's Mercy13:55 - Did Jesus Really Talk About Hell More Than Anything?15:04 - Unpacking Gehenna, Hades, and Hell Translations17:02 - Exploring the Four Words Translated as Hell18:47 - Jesus' Context for “Gates of Hades”20:17 - Tartarus and Its Misunderstood Meaning21:40 - Deep Dive into Gehenna23:12 - 70 AD Destruction and Jesus' Warnings25:01 - Prophetic Warnings from Jeremiah and Isaiah27:01 - Symbolism Behind “Worms” and “Unquenchable Fire”28:53 - James and the Tongue Set on Fire by Gehenna30:21 - The Importance of Studying End Times (Eschatology)32:07 - Final Thoughts on Debate and Interpretation33:39 - Key Question: Does Your Belief Serve You Well?34:55 - Ending in Love, Not Fear

Since we just talked through seven weeks of church trauma/spiritual abuse, the largest issue stems from fear. Fear and our lack of understanding around hell has caused a lot of damage in the lives of people. If you're open to the conversation, let's have it...

We hope to be a safe haven for people on their faith journey. Let's talk about the trauma that many people went through in Scripture. Not to compare or downplay ours, but to relate, empathize, and know we're not alone.

If we're going to try to help reform the broken system of the church, we have to unpack the trauma that is created by mean Christians.

If we're going to try to help reform the broken system of the church, we have to unpack the trauma that is created by over-spiritualization - where we credit God for things He doesn't do and say things to grieving people that aren't helpful.

If we're going to try to help reform the broken system of the church, we have to unpack the trauma that is created by improper humility - the teaching that causes people not to love themselves, trust themselves, or trust their God given intuition. 

If we're going to try to help reform the broken system of the church, we have to unpack the trauma that is created by performance driven Christianity - the machine where systems and behavior are above people and their process. If your spiritual stance with God hinges on your actions, you've misunderstood God's unconditional love and grace. 

If we're going to try to help reform the broken system of the church, we have to unpack the trauma that is created by fear - issues like the rapture, the devil, spiritual warfare, hell, judgment, and wrath.

We're talking about it because we must! The power that comes from religion shapes us, some for better, others for worse. We want to be a part of the organizational side of church that helps bring healing - giving time and space for people to process their pain and deal with bitterness and resentment. 

According to 1 Corinthians 13 - love is patient and kind. How do we live more patient and kind within our marriages? We believe the answer lies in four "knowings." This week we discuss the last one. 

According to 1 Corinthians 13 - love is patient and kind. How do we live more patient and kind within our marriages? We believe the answer lies in four "knowings." This week we discuss the third one. 

According to 1 Corinthians 13 - love is patient and kind. How do we live more patient and kind within our marriages? We believe the answer lies in four "knowings." This week we discuss the second one. 

According to 1 Corinthians 13 - love is patient and kind. How do we live more patient and kind within our marriages? We believe the answer lies in four "knowings." This week we discuss the first one. 

In this episode, we unpack the second log (lie) that Paul Young believes is what prevents people from living in the flow of their union with God. 

In this episode, we unpack the first log (lie) that Paul Young believes is what prevents people from living in the flow of their union with God. 

It's our 4 year anniversary!! What's better than talking about 4 things worth celebrating?

Now what? What is the fruit of all this emotional work and positive self-talk? Since emotional work never stops, it may be time to get disciplined. 

Happy New Year! Check out what we're excited for with the RE-Initiative. For more info go to ThePowerOfRE.com

In this episode, we reflect on the year 2024. What were our wins? What was our favorite podcast and sermon series at Hill City? What have we been struggling with? What are we hoping for in 2025?

Join us in our series through Cory's 21-day devotional book "What If I Told You?" This week we discuss knowing we're victorious and great.

Join us in our series through Cory's 21-day devotional book "What If I Told You?" This week we discuss knowing we're a saint and holy.

Join us in our series through Cory's 21-day devotional book "What If I Told You?" This week we discuss knowing we're perfect and a masterpiece.

Join us in our series through Cory's 21-day devotional book "What If I Told You?" This week we discuss knowing we're righteous and known.

Join us in our series through Cory's 21-day devotional book "What If I Told You?" This week we discuss knowing we're forgiven and blameless.

In this episode, we celebrate episode 200 - live with our friends from the Netherlands. 

Join us in our series through Cory's 21-day devotional book "What If I Told You?" This week we discuss knowing we're valued and royal.

Join us in our series through Cory's 21-day devotional book "What If I Told You?" This week we discuss knowing we're secured and accepted.

Join us in our series through Cory's 21-day devotional book "What If I Told You?" This week we discuss knowing we're qualified and worthy.

Join us in our series through Cory's 21-day devotional book "What If I Told You?" This week we discuss knowing we're unique and chosen.

Join us in our series through Cory's 21-day devotional book "What If I Told You?" This week we discuss knowing we're whole and loved.

Join us in our series through Cory's 21-day devotional book "What If I Told You?" This week we discuss the caution around emotional health, daily habits, the 5 R's, and creating a mamba mentality. 

Join us in our series through statements Jesus never said. Part eight is on the common Christian phrase - God is in control. 

Join us in our series through statements Jesus never said. Part seven is on doubt. Jesus never condemns anyone for their doubt. Not John the Baptist, Peter, or Thomas.

Join us in our series through statements Jesus never said. Part six is on a common phrase within Christianity, "God won't give you more than you can handle." We also tackle the sister phrase, "Everything happens for a reason."

Join us in our series through statements Jesus never said. Part five is on a phrase made famous by Gandhi, not Jesus. "Have we ever thought critically about how this statement is heard?"

Join us in our series through statements Jesus never said. Part four is on the idea that Jesus never said to love His enemies, because He doesn't have any. 

Join us in our series through statements Jesus never said. Part three is on the idea that Jesus never told us to follow the 10 commandments (the law). Jesus said to follow Him - for He is perfect theology. He is the lens through which we read and interpret the Bible. He is the way to know the Father.

Join us in our series through statements Jesus never said. Part two is on the idea that Jesus or God will judge us in the future, when in fact, Scripture tells us something different.

Join us on our series through statements Jesus never said. Part one is on this idea that we are undeserving when in reality, we are deserving of God's love, mercy, and grace. God's love and finished work is for all.

Join us this week as we still ponder the gold nuggets from our time with C. Baxter Kruger in May. He joined us for a conference and taught several times, including @ Hill City Church and on this podcast - episode 176. We've been thinking about several of his quotes for the past couple of months and think we all would benefit from hearing them again. 

This week we interview Channock's two youngest kids. If you like rizz lines (pick-up lines), this one is for you. 

This week we interview Cory's kids. If you like riddles, this one is for you. 

Join us in our summer series as we highlight some amazing guests. This week, we were interviewed by Dr. Catherine Toon on her podcast: Perspectives with Catherine Toon. Check out all of her products at catherinetoon.com

Join us in our summer series as we highlight some amazing guests. This week, we interview Nathan Blouse. He is the founder and president of The Safe Place, a ministry of mind renewal. As Nathan says, "Healing can begin where safety is realized." You can find out more at inthesafeplace.com. 

Join us in our summer series as we highlight some amazing guests. This week, we interview Don Keathley - president of Global Grace Seminary. He speaks weekly at the Digital Cathedral (Sunday Mornings at 11 EST) and the Secret Place (Wednesday Nights on Facebook). He's also the co-founder of Grace Awakening Network (gantv.com) and the author of several books including "Hell's Illusion," "Unhook The Book," "Religion Busters," and many more. Check out donkeathley.com for more. 

Join us in our summer series as we highlight some amazing guests. This week, we combine 3 podcasts into one. For the first time ever, we introduce 2 Pastors And A Mic colliding with Rethinking God With Tacos (Jason Clark) and The Kingdom Is For Everyone (Matthew Hester).