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Frank Nuzzi, Senior IP Counsel at Siemens, joins David Cowen to unpack the mindset shift every legal professional needs right now. From sandboxing with Microsoft Copilot to pushing the boundaries of AI in legal workflows, this episode dives into how curiosity and experimentation, not perfection are shaping the next generation of legal work. If you're waiting for AI to be flawless before jumping in, you're already behind. Key Topics Covered: Why “don't be cheap on your career” might be the best AI advice you'll hear The productivity edge: how Copilot saves time in Outlook and sharpens legal workflows Frank's system for learning fast: white papers, eBooks, YouTube, and morning study How genAI accelerates legal research and boosts comprehension The reality of “time saved” in legal, quality over quantity Lessons from DHL's legal playbooks and the power of asking “what if?” Why staying curious is the real ROI of AI tools
In this raw and energizing conversation of Careers and The Business of Law from the DHL Legal Innovation Summit, David Cowen sits down with Matthew Smith, Executive Vice President of Business Developmentat Array, to talk about building trust, managing high-performing teams, making the leap into legal from healthcare, and navigating the “middle of the middle” of a career. From the fear of hearing no to the power of shutting up and listening, this is required listening for anyone climbing the jungle gym of leadership. What You'll Learn: How great leaders coach, not micromanage Why listening is the most powerful (and overlooked) sales move What it really means to lead in the “middle of the middle” How values, vision, and relationships shape the second half of a career Like what you hear?
What happens when you take legal operations, move it into finance, scale it globally, and build a team of 85 legal professionals inside a Fortune 500? You get Brian Edge's world and it's nothing short of groundbreaking. Live from the DHL Legal Innovation Summit, David Cowen sits down with Brian, SVP of Legal Franchise & Integrity Shared Services at MasterCard, for a high-energy, human-centered conversation on the next evolution of legal ops. From creating capacity through shared services to layering AI on top of HI (human intelligence), this episode is about unlocking better work, better relationships, and better outcomes at scale. What You'll Learn: Why shared services might be the next big leap beyond traditional legal ops How MasterCard scaled legal support globally without outsourcing its soul The surprising power of empathy, data, and dashboards in shaping business outcomes How AI is enabling, not replacing human brilliance in legal service delivery This is legal operations V.3, more collaborative, more strategic, more human.
Live from the DHL Legal Innovation Summit, David Cowen sits down with Omar Haroun, co-founder of Eudia, to break down the shift from artificial intelligence to augmented intelligence. Together they unpack what's actually happening in legal innovation: smarter workflows, real cost transformation, and human-machine collaboration at scale. This conversation goes deep from M&A disruption with DHL to the messy middle of change, to the opportunities ahead for those willing to live in the future. If you're trying to figure out how to adapt, evolve, and lead with AI at your side, start here. What You'll Learn: Why AI isn't replacing lawyers but the ones who use it might The real reason behind layoffs (hint: it's not just tech, it's operational innovation) How DHL and Eudia are unbundling legal services and redefining M&A speed What it means to be a Pattern Breaker and why “messy middle” is where the magic happens Don't wait for the dust to settle. If you're a seeker, striver, or top guard thinking out loud about AI, talent, and transformation, this one's for you.
Live from the DHL Legal Innovation Summit in Columbus, David Cowen sits down with Christina Wojcik, Head of Innovation & Partnerships at Pearson Ferdinand, for a high-energy conversation on the future of legal services. Christina breaks down what it means to build a truly tech-first law firm, no associates, no legacy systems, just streamlined, partner-led innovation. From back-office automation to smarter pricing models, this episode explores how law firms can operate leaner, move faster, and deliver more value in a rapidly evolving market. Key Takeaways: Tech-first law firms are rethinking structure, no associates, just distributed, empowered partners Automating admin tasks frees up time, margin, and talent for high-value client work Clients want to partner on innovation, not just hear about it We're in the messy middle of transformation, and the opportunity is wide open
In this episode of Careers and the Business of Law: The Legal Data Intelligence Series, David Cowen sits down with Richard Pachella, Strategic Alliance Advisor at Epiq, to unpack the seismic shifts happening across legal tech, operations, and talent. If you're in eDiscovery, legal operations, or just trying to navigate your career in the age of AI, this episode is for you.
20 Years. 5 Pivots. 1 Big Bet on GenAI.
In this no-BS roundtable, David Cowen sits down with Kevin Cohn - Chief Customer Officer at Brightflag; Tyler Finn, Head of Community & Growth at SpotDraft; and Matthew Wheatley, VP, Client Strategy at Priori to unpack the real state of legal operations, talent, and transformation. Forget the panel buzzwords. This episode pulls back the curtain on what's actually happening inside high-performing legal teams. What's inside: • Legal ops has hit a plateau, but careers haven't. The smartest players are skipping the next rung and stepping into legal strategy, transformation, and C-suite alignment. • There's no ladder, just a jungle gym. From executive assistants to legal COOs, this episode is a playbook for navigating ambiguity and turning it into an advantage. • The real skill gap? It's not tech. It's knowing your value. Are you a builder, a manager, or a creator? Know your lane, then double down. This is the episode you forward to your team with one line: “This is the conversation legal ops needs to hear right now.”
Headed to CLOC? So are E.J. Bastien and David Cowen and this episode is your field guide. Before you start speed-walking the ARIA hallways and hunting for coffee and co-pilots, listen in. E.J. Bastien has spent two decades at Microsoft reimagining what in-house eDiscovery and litigation support can be. He's leading teams, building AI agents, and solving tomorrow's problems with tools that most legal teams haven't even touched yet. In this pre-CLOC masterclass, we dig into: How Microsoft is using GenAI to streamline review, code documents, and surface case-critical facts before a human ever sees them What it really means to build a bespoke agent trained on your legal team's workflows not ChatGPT, but your playbook Why perfectionists are out, and “learn-it-alls” are in and how that mindset shift is the secret to surviving (and thriving) in 2025. You'll also hear what it takes to lead with confidence, experiment without fear, and stay grounded in the face of constant change. It's Vegas. It's CLOC. It's time to stop chasing answers and start trading playbooks.
Guest: Kevin Cohn, Chief Customer Officer, Brightflag Host: David Cowen, President, The Cowen Group
April 17, 2025 ~ Aaron Velthoven, Vice President and Race Director Detroit Free Press Marathon and David Cowen, Chief Public Spaces Officer Downtown Detroit Partnership joins Eric Larson in for Paul W Smith.
This one hits different. David Cowen sits down with legal operations leader Carl Morrison (Otsuka Pharmaceuticals) for a sharp, high-energy conversation on how legal teams are turning data into strategy, and why now is the moment to clean house, ditch the ROT (redundant, obsolete, trivial), and drive real value. Yes, we open with Lady Gaga, because transformation has a rhythm. But what follows is a masterclass in Legal Data Intelligence (LDI) and the future of legal operations. In this episode: Why your data is a goldmine, but only if you mine it right How AI is changing early case assessment and risk visibility What LDI really means, and why it's not just about cost control anymore How legal ops teams are becoming strategic drivers, not just back-office fixers Carl also shares what it means to move from dirty data to strategic sun, and how to build a cleaner, smarter, faster-functioning legal department in the age of AI and collaboration. Whether you're in legal ops, litigation, InfoGov, or leading a law department, this is your blueprint for going from now to next!
What happens when three top legal innovators challenge everything we know about leadership, AI, and the future of law firms? In this high-energy episode of Careers in the Business of Law, David Cowen sits down with three powerhouse legal minds who are redefining innovation, knowledge management, and practice transformation at major law firms. But here's the twist—we're not telling you who's who right away! Topics That Will Change How You Think About Legal Leadership: Who's really driving innovation - clients or law firms? Why curiosity is more valuable than having all the answers. How AI is transforming legal work - but only if you ask the right questions. What top law firms are doing to stay ahead of the disruption curve. The "hidden ROI" of legal innovation (hint: it's not just about saving time). Connect with Our Experts & Learn More: - Ilona Logvinova – Director of Practice Innovation at Cleary Gottlieb - Esther Bowers – Chief Practice Innovation Officer at Honigman LLP - Evan Shenkman – Chief Knowledge & Innovation Officer at Fisher Phillips
Legal work isn't just about managing data—it's about unlocking intelligence. AI, eDiscovery, and Legal Data Intelligence (LDI) are transforming how firms analyze, predict, and strategize. Are you keeping up? In this episode, Robert Keeling (Partner, Redgrave LLP) joins David Cowen to unpack how AI, legal data intelligence, and next-gen eDiscovery are transforming the legal industry.
In this episode, David Cowen sits down with Nicole Giantonio, SVP and Chief Marketing Officer at Epiq, to explore how cutting-edge AI technology, bold investments, and strategic talent development are revolutionizing the legal industry. From Epiq's game-changing AI Labs to Nicole's private equity perspective on innovation, this conversation is a masterclass for anyone navigating the evolving world of legal services. If you're ready to future-proof your career and understand the forces shaping the next decade of law, this episode is your roadmap. What's Inside? The Talent Shift: Nicole shares how AI is reshaping roles, creating higher-level opportunities, and why training with AI tools is non-negotiable for today's professionals. Boardroom Trends: Why Fortune 500 companies and Global 1000 law firms are making massive investments in legal tech—even without a clear ROI. The Iceberg Effect: Nicole's analogy explains the hidden creativity and acceleration beneath the surface of the legal industry—and why it's gaining momentum. Future of Legal Ops: Get a sneak peek into emerging trends like legal data intelligence, the role of agentic AI models, and how Epic is positioning itself for long-term innovation.
Episode Description: In this episode, David Cowen speaks with Bobby Malhotra, Partner at Winston & Strawn and a founding member of Legal Data Intelligence (LDI). Together, they explore how AI, eDiscovery, and data governance are reshaping the legal industry. Bobby also highlights the power of mentorship, the evolution of legal data intelligence, and the lessons he's learned from his own career journey. If you're navigating the future of law, this conversation is a must-listen. What's Inside? eDiscovery's Next Chapter: Bobby dives into how the field has evolved from email production to a sophisticated practice that influences case outcomes and strategies. The Role of AI in Legal Data: Discover how conversational AI is eliminating friction, accelerating time to insights, and revolutionizing how legal teams manage data. Legal Data Intelligence (LDI): Learn about the founding and mission of LDI, a professional network designed to tackle the most complex data challenges across disputes, transactions, and compliance. Mentorship and Leadership: Bobby shares how mentorship transformed his career and why building relationships with mentors and mentees is critical to success in the legal profession. Going Above and Beyond: Bobby recommends Unreasonable Hospitality by Will Guidara as a blueprint for creating extraordinary client experiences. Key Mentions: Books: Unreasonable Hospitality by Will Guidara Influencers: Kathleen McDowell, John Rosenthal, and Scott Cohen Organizations: Legal Data Intelligence (LDI), and Winston & Strawn Takeaways Leverage AI Tools: Start using conversational AI like ChatGPT to interrogate your data and uncover insights faster. Mentorship Matters: Find mentors who align with your goals and reciprocate by sharing your own expertise. Join Professional Networks: Get involved with groups like LDI to connect with industry leaders and stay ahead of emerging trends.
In this episode, David Cowen dives into the transformative role of Legal Data Intelligence (LDI) with industry leaders Julia Hasenzahl, Jeremiah Weasenforth, and Ashley Christakis. They discuss how meta-skills like strategic thinking and adaptability are reshaping legal operations and explore how experiential knowledge is driving predictive insights across the legal ecosystem. Key Topics: Meta-Skills Matter: Why adaptability, curiosity, and problem-spotting are essential for thriving in LDI. Expanding Roles: How LDI professionals are integrating e-discovery, governance, privacy, and risk management. Building Talent: The importance of fostering a culture of radical thinking to attract top talent in a competitive market. Better vs. Different: The dual need to improve current processes while rethinking how legal data is used to create predictive strategies. Meet the Guests: Julia Hasenzahl : Co-founder and CEO of ProSearch, a leader in applying data intelligence to legal operations and e-discovery. Jeremiah Weasenforth: Legal Analytics Director at Edward Jones, pioneering data-driven approaches to legal strategy. Ashley Christakis: Senior Manager eDiscovery and Legal Operations at CrowdStrike, innovating the intersection of e-discovery and operational excellence. Subscribe and Share: Catch every episode of Careers in the Business of Law on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen. Take your career from now to next. Never eat alone.
In this episode, David Cowen chats with Kevin Cohn, Chief Customer Officer at Brightflag, about how next-gen technology and AI are reshaping legal operations, the war for talent, and the evolving role of legal professionals. If you're navigating the future of law, this conversation is your roadmap. What's Inside? Brightflag's Impact: Learn how Brightflag uses AI to transform legal billing and matter management for clients like Spotify and SAP, enabling legal teams to shift from admin to strategy. Tech & Talent Arms Race: Why GCs are hiring legal ops pros first and how AI is disrupting lower-level work while increasing demand for top talent. OKRs in Action: Kevin shares insights from Measure What Matters by John Doerr and how OKRs drive long-term innovation at Brightflag. Future-Proofing Your Career: Why training with AI tools like ChatGPT is critical to stay competitive in 2025 and beyond. Key Mentions - Books: Measure What Matters by John Doerr Influencers: Tomasz Tunguz, Dave Kellogg, Daniel Young (Shark Ninja), Eva Bogucki (Cargill). Podcasts: Brightflag's legal ops podcast hosted by Alex Kelly. Takeaways - Train with AI: Spend an hour a day with tools like ChatGPT or Gemini to stay ahead. Build Your Network: Surround yourself with thinkers and tech leaders to sharpen your career edge. Think Long-Term: Apply OKRs to stretch your goals and align them with future trends. Quotes - "If you're not training with AI, you're falling behind." – Kevin Cohn "Your career is a jungle gym, not a ladder—never eat alone and think out loud with others." – David Cowen
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In this episode of "Careers in the Business of Law," part of the LDI Legal Data Intelligence Series, host David Cowen sits down with Scott Milner, Laura Kibbe, and Adam Rouse for a deep dive into the concept of Legal Data Intelligence (LDI). Recorded live from the ILTA conference in Nashville, this episode offers an engaging recap of their session on stage, discussing how LDI is transforming the legal industry.
In this career and technology episode, David Cowen and Briordy Meyers explore the transition from the traditional EDRM model, designed for document management, to a new paradigm suited for today's data-driven world. They discuss how the vast variety, velocity, and volume of data are driving the need to consider diverse data sources and types, which in turn generates numerous new career pathways and opportunities. Briordy Meyers dives deep into the transformative impact of emerging technologies and evolving business models on careers and the demand for talent. Finally, Briordy discusses the Legal Data Intelligence (LDI) project, a flagship initiative that exemplifies how new workflows and values are transforming the legal industry. The LDI project focuses on harnessing the power of data to drive efficiency and innovation in legal practices. By leveraging advanced data analytics and machine learning, the project aims to streamline legal processes, improve decision-making, and create new value for clients. This case study highlights the real-world application of data-driven strategies and the critical role of new career pathways in supporting these innovations. And if you're a Top Gun fan, you'll love David and Briordy's analogy to Top Gun's Maverick, Rooster, Hangman, and Phoenix. Join us for this compelling conversation and discover the new career opportunities emerging in our data-centric world.
In episode 08 of Careers and The Business of Law: Legal Data Intelligence Series, Omar Haroun chats with David Cowen about his diverse career, starting at top-tier law firms like Wilson Sonsini and Orrick, and leading into his philanthropic work with Indego Africa. They dive into how Omar's passion for "doing well by doing good" shaped his career, spotlighting the power of legal data intelligence to boost both personal and organizational growth. Omar stresses that the next wave of legal pros needs to be adaptable, ethically driven, and savvy about leveraging data's potential to spark real change. Key Highlights: Omar shares about his multicultural family background, with immigrant parents from Pakistan and Europe, and how their values of hard work and patriotism profoundly influenced him. Omar discusses his transition to Indego Africa, a social enterprise helping Rwandan women. He was inspired by the concept of 'doing well by doing good,' a revelation that came from his interactions with the organization's founders and his personal experiences in Rwanda. Drawing on the philosophical teachings of Aristotle, Omar articulates his vision for a fulfilling life through achieving potential and ethical living. He links these ideals to his work at LDI, aiming to empower individuals and organizations to harness the full power of legal data. Mentions: Legal Data Intelligence official site: LegalDataIntelligence.org Indego Africa: Indego Africa Wilson Sonsini: Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati Orrick: Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP Song: Castles in the sand by Jimmy Hendrix
In episode 7 of Careers and The Business of Law: Legal Data Intelligence Series, John Koss from Mintz shares his multifaceted career trajectory with David Cowen. They delve into John's transition from Spanish and journalism studies to pursuing a law degree and later an MBA. Throughout the conversation, they discuss the integration of eData consulting, legal operations, and the significant role of eDiscovery in modern legal practices. John also outlines the indispensable skills for future legal data intelligence professionals: adaptability in the face of technological change, strategic thinking, and a proactive approach to professional growth. Key Highlights: John delves into his diverse educational background, sharing his journey from studying Spanish and journalism to pursuing law and finally an MBA. His drive for continuous learning is evident as he describes the influence of his academic mother and his athletic background at Northwestern. John recounts his initial move to Boston for law school, humorously noting his misjudgments about the city's size compared to Chicago, yet expressing his fondness and decision to make it his home. David and John discuss the transformation of legal practices over the decades, highlighting the shift from traditional methods to more efficient and technologically integrated approaches, stressing the need for innovation in the field. Mentions: Mintz's official website: Mintz Northwestern University's official site: Northwestern Boston University School of Law: Boston University Law Suffolk University Law School: Suffolk Law Song: Stand Back by Stevie Nicks Legal Data Intelligence official site: LegalDataIntelligence.org
Welcome to "Careers in the Business of Law" with David Cowen. Today's guest is Zach Posner, a dynamic force in the legal tech world. Zach's journey from promoting legal tech startups to organizing impactful summits is nothing short of inspiring. Tune in to hear about his latest ventures, insights on the evolving legal tech landscape, and a special musical mention that might surprise you. Key Highlights: Zach discusses the rapid advancements in AI, particularly the impact of LLMs (large language models) on both startups and incumbents in the legal tech industry. Zach explains how the idea for the TLTF Summit came from recognizing their unique position and wanting to accelerate the entire community by bringing key players together. Zach highlights the increased sophistication and maturity of new legal tech startups, noting a significant rise in interesting companies from programs like Y Combinator. Mentions: Zach Posner: LinkedIn The Legal Tech Fund (TLTF): Website The Legal Tech Fund (TLTF): LinkedIn Greg Mazares: LinkedIn Andrew Sieje: LinkedIn Bruce Springsteen: Website Y Combinator: Website
In this episode of Careers in the Business of Law: Legal Data Intelligence Series, David Cowen hosts Laura Kibbe, Vice President, Deputy General Counsel, Global Head of Litigation, Legal Operations, and Chief of Staff to the GC at Unisys. Laura shares her transformative journey from traditional litigation at Texaco to pioneering eDiscovery at Pfizer, providing invaluable insights into the evolution of the legal industry and the impact of new technologies. Key Highlights: The Accidental Pioneer: Laura recounts her unplanned yet transformative transition from traditional litigation to eDiscovery at Pfizer. She describes learning on the job with early computer systems and handling vast amounts of data. The Relativity Revolution: Laura discusses the launch of Relativity by Andrew Sieja and its revolutionary impact on the legal industry, transforming document management and data handling processes. Beyond Litigation: Laura explores the shift from traditional litigation to addressing diverse data sources and new legal challenges, emphasizing the need for a multifaceted approach to privacy, security, and governance issues. Embracing Vulnerability and Creativity: Laura talks about the importance of creativity and vulnerability in her career, sharing how admitting what she doesn't know and learning from experts has been key to her success. Mentions: Jack Welch: LinkedIn Andrew Sieja: LinkedIn Texaco: Texaco Kay Scholer: Kay Scholer Unisys: Unisys George Socha: LinkedIn Tom Barnett: LinkedIn Monica Bay: LinkedIn Sanjay Batra: LinkedIn Outro Song: Livin'On A Prayer
In this episode of Careers in the Business of Law, David Cowen chats with Alison Grounds, Managing Partner at Troutman Pepper eMerge in Atlanta. Alison shares her journey from a summer associate to a leading innovator in legal technology and e-discovery. Key Highlights: Alison Grounds faced a pivotal moment as a 5th-year associate when a critical review questioned her focus on e-discovery. Motivated by this feedback, she researched and connected with pioneers like Ronni Solomon and Tess Blair, ultimately deciding to specialize in e-discovery. Alison compares the early days of e-discovery to today's advancements in generative AI. She highlights the ongoing need for creativity and willingness to step out of comfort zones, pointing out, "We're still solving problems, just with different tools." To tackle the challenges of generative AI, Alison formed a diverse task force at Troutman Pepper. This group included general counsel, data security, IP, and labor and employment lawyers, showcasing the importance of inclusive discussions for technological adoption. Mentions: Alison Grounds: LinkedIn Troutman Pepper eMerge David Cowen: LinkedIn Ronnie Solomon: LinkedIn Tess Blair: LinkedIn Paul Weiner: LinkedIn Julia Louis-Dreyfus's Wiser Than Me: Wiser Than Me
In this episode of Careers in the Business of Law, David Cowen sits down with Ashley Miller, Vice President of Sales at Litera. Ashley shares her fascinating journey from growing up as a "P&G brat" in Cincinnati to traveling the globe and eventually leading sales at one of the most innovative companies in legal tech. She delves into her career, the evolution of Litera, and the qualities she looks for in top talent. Ashley's story is a testament to resilience, innovation, and the power of diverse experiences. Key Highlights: Ashley grew up traveling due to her father's role at Procter & Gamble, living in Japan from ages 11 to 16. This global exposure cultivated her independence and curiosity, foundational traits in her career. Starting at Dell, Ashley moved through roles at LexisNexis, Kraft Kennedy, and Thomson Reuters before joining Pangea 3, where she focused on ALSP and e-discovery services. At Litera, she drives innovation in legal tech, focusing on efficiency and strategic impact for clients. Litera's growth and innovation include developing Gen AI tools like Foundation Dragon, which drastically reduces time on tasks such as analyzing corporate transactions. Ashley highlights the importance of being entrepreneurial-minded and a builder for success at Litera. Mentions: Ashley Miller: LinkedIn Litera - Litera Procter & Gamble - P&G Farrah Pepper - LinkedIn Blippi (children's entertainer) - Blippi Blondie - Blondie Pat Benatar - Pat Benatar The Pretenders - The Pretenders Joan Jett - Joan Jett Heart of Glass By Blondie
Farrah Pepper is the Chief Legal Innovation Counsel (CLIC) at Marsh McLennan, where she makes things…click. Farrah founded and leads the company's Legal Innovation & Technology (LIT) team, which includes the LIT innovation lab and the legal data discovery program. Farrah has a long history of building and leading in-house and law firm teams to solve business challenges, create enterprise value and reduce risk. Previously, Farrah was GE's global discovery counsel, where she served as the large, diverse conglomerate's first dedicated legal expert on discovery strategy and policy. Farrah created and led the GE Discovery Center of Excellence and reinvented GE's approach to global discovery and data management to drive dramatic savings, efficiencies and risk reduction. Prior to joining GE, Farrah was a litigator in the New York office of Gibson Dunn, where she was a founder and leader of the firm's global electronic discovery practice group. Recent accolades for Farrah include being named a Thought Leader by Corporate Counsel (Women, Influence & Power), a Women of Legal Tech inductee by the ABA's LTRC (Legal Technology Research Center), a member of the Legal 500 GC Powerlist (US), and a fellow in the College of Law Practice Management. Farrah is a lifelong New Yorker and double-NYU grad: NYU College of Arts & Science (B.A., summa cum laude) and NYU School of Law (J.D.). In episode 24 of Careers in the Business of Law: Legal Tech Innovators Series, David Cowen chats with Farrah Pepper about her dynamic career journey from Gibson Dunn to GE and Marsh McLennan. Farrah shares her insights on negotiating for the roles you truly want, the evolution of legal innovation, and the importance of being a "Swiss Army knife" in the corporate world. She also delves into the collaborative spirit of the LDI community and the emerging roles in the legal industry, highlighting the need for creativity, empathy, and a forward-thinking mindset. Farrah's engaging storytelling and vibrant personality make this episode a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of law and technology. (00:08) - Meet Farrah Pepper. David Cowen introduces Farrah Pepper as a dynamo, smart, kind, and humorous. Farrah responds with gratitude, joking about having David as her hype man. (01:59) - Farrah's Journey. David highlights Farrah's impressive career, noting her roles at Gibson Dunn, GE, and Marsh McLennan. Farrah shares insights on how careers and companies have evolved, pointing out the importance of conversations over negotiations. (03:21) - The Innovation Pitch. Farrah recounts how she pitched an innovation-based role at Marsh McLennan, moving beyond her previous e-discovery role at GE. She highlights the value of being a "Swiss Army knife" in solving corporate problems. (07:19) - Riding the Waves Together. Farrah uses a surfing metaphor to describe the collaborative nature of the LDI community, highlighting the shared vision and collective effort of its members to ride the waves of change in the legal industry. (12:14) - Legal Data Intelligence Origin Story. Farrah discusses the community-driven nature of LDI and gives props to Omar from Relativity for galvanizing the project. She points out LDI's focus on broad community involvement and its resources, including job descriptions and use cases. (16:20) - Emerging Roles in Legal. David and Farrah discuss new and evolving roles in the legal industry, such as legal chief of staff, legal chief operating officer, and legal data intelligence officer. Farrah shares her excitement about these opportunities and the creative potential they hold. (22:19) - Farrah's Musical Inspiration. Farrah reveals that her house is filled with Taylor Swift and Broadway music, sharing how Taylor Swift's "I Can See You With a Broken Heart" resonates with her and other legal professionals. Mentions: Farrah Pepper: LinkedIn Gibson Dunn: Website GE: Website Marsh McLennan: Website Relativity: Website LDI (Legal Data Intelligence): Website Laura Kibbe: LinkedIn Nirav Shah from Home Depot: LinkedIn Adam Rouse: LinkedIn Jeff Salling: LinkedIn CLOC (Corporate Legal Operations Consortium): Website ILTA (International Legal Technology Association): Website Solid Atlanta: Website Outro Song: I Can See You With a Broken Heart
Jerry Levine is the Chief Evangelist and Co-General Counsel at ContractPodAi. Jerry serves as an advisor to customers and the internal client voice, helping to guide global client success and shape overall product vision. As a former global general counsel and Corporate Secretary at Amelia (IPsoft) - and a ContractPodAi customer, himself - he successfully implemented ContractPodAi within IPsoft's legal department. Jerry also held leadership and consulting positions at both publicly and privately held companies, including Axiom and LexisNexis. He also founded a start-up focused law firm. As a leader in legal design thinking, he has been committed to helping legal professionals become “awesome lawyers” and strategic organizational leads - to drive results and increase market share for businesses. Jerry holds a B.S. in Marketing and Japanese from the University of Maryland, and a J.D. with Honors from Rutgers Law School. He is currently based in New York City. In episode 002 of Careers in the Business of Law: Legal Tech Innovators Series, Jerry Levine chats with David Cowen about his journey from computer science major to Japanese and marketing student, to crisis PR, and eventually becoming Chief Evangelist and Co-General Counsel at ContractPodAi. Jerry discusses the transformative role of automation in legal processes, the emergence of new roles like prompt engineers, and the importance of continuous learning. He also highlights how legal teams can become strategic business partners and the vital skills needed for the future of legal tech. (0:09) Meet Jerry Levine: David Cowen introduces Jerry Levine, Chief Evangelist and Co-General Counsel of ContractPodAi, exploring why Jerry and his company are making waves in the legal tech world. David shares his curiosity about ContractPodAi's rise in popularity. (1:39) What's Happening with Contracts? Jerry explains the "inflection point" in the legal industry, highlighting a shift towards automation and efficiency. He describes himself as an "elder millennial" and discusses how legal teams are now becoming integral parts of business strategy. (4:53) The Importance of Contracts: Jerry discusses the central role contracts play in driving business operations and how tools like ContractPodAi help extract valuable insights from them. He points out the need for legal teams to work closely with other departments to leverage contract data effectively. (8:10) Outsourcing and Efficiency: David and Jerry discuss how outsourcing contract management to Alternative Legal Service Providers (ALSPs) can create efficiencies. Jerry stresses that the goal is not to reduce headcount but to optimize existing resources and create new roles. (10:34) Emerging Roles and Skills: Jerry talks about the transformation of traditional roles in the legal industry due to technological advancements. He mentions the emergence of new roles like prompt engineers and the importance of continuous learning to stay relevant. (16:35) Jerry's Career Journey: Jerry shares his unconventional career path, from starting as a computer science major to becoming a Japanese and marketing major, leading to his interest in crisis PR and eventually law. He reflects on how these experiences shaped his career. (20:44) Musical Tastes and Outro: Jerry reveals his love for Postmodern Jukebox, a band that reimagines modern songs in vintage styles. He shares his enjoyment of singing along and invites David to join him at upcoming events. Mentions: ContractPodAi: ContractPod Ai Jeremy Irons: Jeremy Irons on IMDb Lehman Brothers: Lehman Brothers on Wikipedia CLM (Contract Lifecycle Management): Contract Lifecycle Management on Wikipedia Temple University Law Japan: Temple University, Japan Campus Postmodern Jukebox: Postmodern Jukebox Official Website Outro song
Our guest today is a prolific connector and skilled executive coach in the legal industry. David Cowen is the founder and president of The Cowen Group and founder of the Summit on Legal Innovation and Disruption (SOLID). David started in staffing and recruiting, where he learned more about the art of making connections. Years later, as the demand for litigation support and eDiscovery talent grew, David pivoted toward the legal industry as a subject matter expert in building office legal support and technology teams. He ultimately founded The Cowen Group, which became the nation's leading search firm in staffing and recruiting senior legal leaders and next generation legal technologists. Over time, the firm has transitioned to the events space, hosting legal events on numerous topics such as legal innovation, legal operations, and eDiscovery. Among these many events is SOLID, a global series which focuses on innovation and the practice of law. These working groups bring together the most innovative thinkers and practitioners to take deep dives together into the hottest issues in the industry (As a disclaimer, Seyfarth is a supporter and host of many of the SOLID conferences.). Additionally, David writes extensively on managing and developing careers, “the war for talent,” and the motivations behind investments in people, process, and technology. In today's conversation, David discusses why he founded SOLID, how he ended up in the legal industry, how he has kept up with client demands, and the importance of asking people for favors.
One of the original attorneys in Morgan Lewis's eData practice, Scott Milner counsels and advises companies in electronic discovery and information governance processes and best practices. He works with Morgan Lewis's lawyers across practice groups to tailor strategies and discovery management plans for clients around the globe, in numerous industries and disciplines. Scott's practice encompasses all phases of eDiscovery, from preservation and collection to review and production of large volumes of electronically stored information (ESI). In episode 002 of Careers and The Business of Law: Legal Data Intelligence Series, David Cowen sits down with Scott Milner to talk about his journey from the early days of eDiscovery to leading Legal Data Intelligence (LDI) at Morgan Lewis. They dive into how eDiscovery started, the development of EDRM, and how tech has been a game-changer in legal processes. Scott points out the key skills needed for the future: being tech-savvy, thinking strategically, and tackling legal challenges head-on. They also talk about how LDI could change the game in legal frameworks and make the most out of data across various legal and compliance areas. (0:09) - The Birth of eDiscovery. David Cowen hosts Scott Milner to dive into the genesis of eDiscovery and the emerging field of Legal Data Intelligence (LDI). Scott reminisces about the early days when eDiscovery was an unknown frontier, highlighting his collaborative journey with Tess Blair and Morgan Lewis, noting, "it's like we didn't even know what e-discovery was." (0:43) - A Generation in eDiscovery. Scott reflects on his longstanding friendship and professional rapport with David, marking over two decades in the eDiscovery landscape. He jokes, "I like to pretend I started when I was six years old, right? Because I can't be that old." (1:16) - Innovating Out of Necessity. In the nascent stages of eDiscovery, Scott and his peers were pioneers, crafting their tools and processes from scratch. "We had to build the technology. We had to build the process.” (3:33) - Evolution of eDiscovery Technology. Scott outlines his journey through various technologies in eDiscovery, from manual processes to sophisticated solutions like Accelerate and generative AI. He expresses enthusiasm for the continuous evolution and integration of tech that enhances legal outcomes. (5:15) - The Genesis of EDRM. Reflecting on the creation of the Electronic Discovery Reference Model (EDRM), Scott credits the collaborative effort led by George Socha in Minneapolis, highlighting how a gathering of brilliant minds laid the groundwork for standardized practices in eDiscovery. (6:14) - Defining Legal Data Intelligence (LDI). Scott articulates the mission of LDI as an extension of EDRM, aiming to harness data more comprehensively beyond eDiscovery. He views LDI as a crucial step forward in utilizing eDiscovery frameworks to address broader legal and data challenges like cybersecurity and contract analytics. (14:13) - The Future of Legal Data Intelligence. As the conversation wraps, Scott contemplates the transformative potential of generative AI in legal operations. He projects a visionary future where eDiscovery principles could revolutionize data handling across various sectors. Mentions: Morgan Lewis: Law firm where Scott Milner works. Morgan Lewis official website George Socha: Co-founder of EDRM. George Socha's professional page Tess Blair: Entrepreneur in the e-Discovery space. Tess Blair's profile at Practising Law Institute Aloe Blacc: Artist of the song "The Man," mentioned by Scott as his outro song. Aloe Blacc's official website
Hal Brooks is an eDiscovery and litigation technology professional with more than 25 years' experience. Currently, Hal serves as the CEO of Haystack Holdings with the mission of helping HaystackID mobilize industry-leading computer forensics, eDiscovery, and attorney document review experts to accelerate and deliver quality outcomes in support of investigations and litigation at a fair and predictable price. Having participated in the acquisition and growth of several industry-leading companies, Hal has helped businesses address challenges in the areas of litigation strategy and automated discovery processes. In 1988, he started with Legal Copies International which grew to 26 cities and $100M a year in revenue as a supplier of onsite and offsite litigation support services. LCI was acquired by (Alco) Ikon Office Solutions in 1996. More recently, Hal invested in and served as a board member and consultant for such companies as OnSite Sourcing, DocuForce, Ve Discovery, Technology Assisted Review software startup OrcaTec, and most recently, Envision Discovery. At these companies, he served in leadership roles helping launch revolutionary technology platforms and directing key strategic business decisions. In episode 25 of Careers in the Business of Law, Hal shares his transformative journey from battling health challenges in the Carolinas to becoming the CEO of HaystackID with David Cowen. He reflects on the early days of overcoming asthma to pursue an active lifestyle, which paralleled his later professional ventures that required resilience and innovation. Hal discusses his entrepreneurial shift from Xerox to launching and leading companies. Highlighting key career milestones and pivotal influences, Hal underlines the crucial skills of passion, perseverance, and visionary planning essential for next-generation leaders in business and legal operations. (00:36) Early Influences: Overcoming Health Challenges. As a child in the Carolinas, Hal faced significant health challenges, including asthma and allergies. Despite these obstacles, he found a way to overcome them by gradually increasing his physical activity, ultimately freeing himself from medication and embracing an active lifestyle. Hal's story of perseverance began at his family's dinner table, dreaming of joining his peers outdoors. (01:59) Entrepreneurial Spark: From Corporate to CEO. Hal's transition from working at Xerox to becoming an entrepreneur started when he met Mark Hahn from Legal Copies. He was drawn into the world of business through a pivotal contract win and the opportunity to build a company from the ground up. Hal learned the intricacies of business from Hahn and his circle, igniting his passion for creating opportunities and building teams. (02:58) Building Community and Responsibility. During an annual company event in Atlanta, Hal realized the profound responsibility of running a business. The sight of 600 attendees, comprising employees and their families, underscored the real impact of his decisions on their lives. This moment deepened his commitment to his role and to providing for others through his entrepreneurial efforts. (06:05) Hiring for Passion and Precision in the Legal Industry. Hal emphasizes the importance of passion in the legal services industry, where precision and commitment are paramount. His recruitment strategy focuses on identifying individuals who are not only capable but also passionately engaged in their work, ensuring excellence in service delivery. (07:25) Guiding Principles in Leadership and Life. In interviews, Hal seeks to understand potential hires' guiding principles and personal benchmarks. He values reflections on personal ethos and historical comparisons, which reveal deep insights into an individual's character and potential fit within the company. (08:13) A Journey through Faith and Business. Hal discusses his educational background in theology and philosophy, which initially led him toward a career in ministry. However, his desire to make a broader impact and provide for his family guided him toward the business world, where he found his true calling in leadership and entrepreneurship. (10:05) Advising Future Entrepreneurs: Vision and Reversion Planning. Hal advises aspiring entrepreneurs to start with an exit plan. Understanding the end goal helps in crafting a strategic approach to business development, distinguishing between lifestyle businesses and wealth creation vehicles. His own approach has focused on building enterprises with the potential for significant growth and return on investment. Mentions: Hal Brooks, CEO of HaystackID John Davenport Jr., founder of DTI Xerox - Where Hal previously worked. Xerox Website
In episode 23 of Careers in the Business of Law, Kelly Griswold talks with David about how her grandmother's approach to painting influences her decisions as CEO today, the importance of surrounding yourself with the right people, and repeatedly returning to the Why questions. They also talk country music and Garth Brooks. Today's guest is Kelly Griswold. Kelly is the Chief Executive Officer at Onna, a data management platform company. Prior to joining Onna, Kelly served as Senior Vice President at Axiom spin-out Knowable, where she led the go-to-market function and built the global partnerships and alliances teams. Kelly has also worked in finance and corporate development roles in renewable energy – she was previously the Senior Vice President of Business Development at Sungevity, co-founder of GSSG Solar, and part of the Global Special Situations Group at SunEdison. 0:11 - Introduction Kelly Griswold, CEO of Onna, joins David Cowen to discuss her vibrant career trajectory and insights into the world of legal tech. Kelly shares her beginnings in the Bay Area and her educational and professional journey across the U.S. and Europe. Kelly reminisces about her childhood in Santa Cruz, describing her early artistic influences under her grandmother's guidance. "I was spending a lot of time with her and had some aptitude for it," she recalls, linking her creative roots in art to her later business acumen. 2:19 - Artistry Meets Entrepreneurship Kelly explores the parallels between her artists and CEOs. Like using watercolors, both fields require flexibility and an evolving vision. 3:44 - Technology and Transition Kelly journeys from art and sociology to the world of (math!), finance, and technology. Her story highlights a career filled with calculated risks and pivotal changes, culminating in leadership roles in renewable energy and legal tech. 7:28 - Value of Relationships In a powerful testament to the importance of professional networks, Kelly credits Alec Guettel as a key influence who reintroduced her to legal tech at Axiom. She underscores the importance of surrounding oneself with trustworthy, inspirational people. 12:54 – Driving Innovation at Onna Kelly dives into the culture and operations at Onna, emphasizing a learner's mindset and the critical role of understanding customer needs in tech innovation. "It's a constant reminder...do we really understand the Why behind the actions that we're taking?” 14:23 - Design Sprint and Team Dynamics Kelly recounts a transformative design sprint that fostered team cohesion and innovation at Onna. She highlights the blend of structured creativity and team bonding that characterized this pivotal moment. 16:02 - Country Love Kelly talks about her unexpected love for 90s country music, particularly Garth Brooks, illustrating her unique personal and professional path. Mentions: Bucknell University: Kelly's alma mater. Bucknell University Axiom: A company involved in legal tech. Axiom Griswold Inn: Mentioned as a location for a team event. Griswold Inn Garth Brooks: Mentioned as a favorite musician of Kelly's. Spotify link
This week we're getting comfy with David Cowen, a legendary connector and the mind behind the SOLID Legal Summit. As we open our anonymous letter from a consulting composer, we'll explore the musical world of career development—where the art of improvisation plays the lead role in the symphony of success. David shares his expertise on the power of networking, mentorship, and embracing the jungle gym philosophy of career growth. Join co-hosts Tom & Tommie as they discuss cultivating radical curiosity, embracing the diversity of thought, and finding processes that foster personal and professional advancement. Whether sipping your morning brew or unwinding with an evening drink, prepare to get jazzed up while learning how to harmonize your aspirations with life's unpredictable yet exhilarating rhythms. This episode was made possible by our sponsor, Legal.io. David Cowen (President, Cowen Group) LinkedIn: @davidcowen Dear Legal Ops IG: @dearlegalops LinkedIn: @dearlegalops Facebook: @dearlegalops Twitter: @dearlegalops TikTok: @dearlegalops www.dearlegalops.com Tommie Tavares-Ferreira Linkedin: @tommie IG: @suttontell Tom Stephenson LinkedIn: @tstephenson1 IG: @tacotacotomtom This is a Redd Rock Music Podcast IG: @reddrockmusic www.reddrockmusic.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In episode 21 of Careers in the Business of Law, Stephen Poor talks with David about the long arc of technological change in law, the evolving technical skill sets as well as perennial soft skills, and the growth of the strength of access to justice initiatives such as The Bail Project and the Filing Fair project. They also talk Mississippi Delta blues. Today's guest is Stephen Poor. As Chair Emeritus of Seyfarth Shaw, a global law firm, Stephen Poor has significantly contributed to legal innovation, particularly through leading SeyfarthLabs, the firm's R&D arm. Renowned for pioneering SeyfarthLean, a method that enhances legal service efficiency, his leadership from 2001 to 2016 earned him the 2011 Legal Innovator of the Year award. With a foundation in employment law and ERISA litigation, Stephen now shares his expertise on technology's impact on law, change management, and process improvement through writings and his podcast, "Pioneers and Pathfinders." https://www.seyfarth.com/trends/pioneers-and-pathfinders-podcast.html Music Stephen mentions: Mississippi John Hurt: https://open.spotify.com/artist/1FdwVX3yL8ITuRnTZxetsA?si=FM6jBiAVSRm_zGf-GvJotQ Mississippi Fred McDowell: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0elA30wLp3RmiPaGtU2jhQ?si=AqDicv5LTMKTLaPpCBHQpA Bukka White: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2gSskdDhLQCx3CQd6XKDhp?si=LAiFl6aFQ8Kg2WlYlmc2Qw Sister Rosetta Tharpe: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2dXf5lu5iilcaTQJZodce7?si=BzrOciq3T9y3GqwwXf5lqA Blind Willie Johnson: https://open.spotify.com/artist/5kO4xdEKLuHHHPreu3UmkZ?si=NshgryeQRTWplLlq6jDm-w Access to Justice projects Stephen mentions: The Bail project: https://bailproject.org/ Filing Fair project (Stanford): https://filingfairnessproject.law.stanford.edu/ Time stamps: (0:09) - From Yesteryear's Cutting Edge to Today's David Cowen introduces Stephen Poor, Chairman Emeritus of Seyfarth Shaw, discussing the remarkable journey from past legal technologies to today's podcasting age. "When you started your career, did you think that you'd be recording podcasts that would go out into the universe and live forever?" Stephen reflects on the unforeseen advancements in technology and how they've transformed legal practices and reminisces about the early days of his career. "What was cutting edge?...The secretaries had mag card typewriters … which was awesome." (1:59) - The First Technology Committee Stephen discusses his involvement in his firm's first technology committee, comparing the debates over 25 vs. 33 megahertz computers to today's terabyte-scale discussions, illustrating the rapid evolution of technology in law. (2:59) - Talent in the Legal Field: Then and Now "The type of talent that you look for...hasn't really changed," Stephen explains. He highlights how attributes like intelligence, curiosity, and connectivity have remained vital, despite massive changes in technology and operations. Stephen points out the significant shift in legal workplaces over the decades, from traditional lawyer roles to diverse professions like data scientists and marketing specialists, enhancing law firms' capabilities and client services. (5:42) - Evolution vs. Revolution in Law Delving into the dynamics of change in legal services, Stephen discusses the impact of generative AI and other advanced technologies on the legal industry, contemplating whether the changes represent evolution or revolution. (7:00) - Navigating New Technologies Stephen emphasizes the role of law firms in helping clients navigate the "bewildering array of solutions" presented by generative AI and other emerging technologies, highlighting the importance of adaptability and informed guidance. (8:28) - The Transformation Ahead Stephen opines that the future of law will be dramatically different, driven by the capabilities of generative AI to change how legal services are provided. (11:38) - Radical Curiosity in Young Lawyers Stephen discusses the challenges and benefits of the radical curiosity exhibited by the newer generation of lawyers, seeing it as a necessary trait for driving change within the legal profession. (13:42) - Senior Leaders' Insights In a reflective conversation about senior leadership in law, Stephen shares how experienced leaders exchange insights and experiences that could guide the newer generations facing similar challenges. (18:09) - Access to Justice and Technology Stephen highlights the role of technology in enhancing access to justice, sharing personal stories and examples of how new tools are making significant impacts in legal accessibility. (20:44) - Supporting Justice through the Bail Project Stephen discusses his daughter's role as general counsel for the Bail Project, illustrating how nonprofits are utilizing new approaches to reform traditional systems like the cash bail system, advocating for broader participation and support. For more on Cowen Podcasts, Career Coaching, and Leadership Networking Events, please visit www.Cowengroup.com
(00:13) – “Welcome to the Legal Tech Frontier”: David Cowen introduces Drew Armstrong, CEO of Affinipay, discussing the rapid evolution of the legal technology market, Drew's background in law and business, and the impact of AI on the legal profession. (01:25) - Revolutionizing Legal Practice Management: Drew delves into how Affinipay is transforming legal practice management for solo and small firms. Highlighting Ape's leading technology, ease of use, and customer service, Drew showcases how Affinipay ensures law firms operate efficiently while keeping focus on their clients. (04:07) - Leadership and Vision at Affinipay: Drew shares her journey to becoming Affinipay's CEO and her personal connection to the legal industry. Her vision to expand Affinipay's offerings beyond payment solutions to comprehensive practice management and financial services is driven by a deep understanding of law firms' needs. (06:29) - The AI Debate in Legal Tech: Drew provides a balanced perspective on the current state of AI in legal technology. She argues that while AI has the potential to significantly transform legal practices, its hype is both warranted and unwarranted, emphasizing the importance of foundational tech alongside AI advancements. (12:22) - Evolution of Legal Careers: Reflecting on the shift from legal secretaries to IT professionals, Drew discusses the ongoing transformation of legal roles. She predicts that advancements in technology, especially AI, will not only disrupt traditional roles but also create new opportunities within the legal field. (14:26) - The Future of Legal Work: Drew speculates on how AI and technology will redefine the tasks and responsibilities of associates and paralegals, emphasizing the enduring need for human judgment and oversight in the legal profession. (17:32) - Expanding Access to Legal Services: Drew highlights the potential for technology to bridge the gap between the supply of and demand for legal services, making high-quality legal assistance more accessible and affordable. (19:20) - Embracing Change and Opportunity: In a closing reflection, Drew urges legal professionals to actively engage with technological advancements to remain relevant. She emphasizes the unparalleled opportunities in legal tech for innovation and career development. (21:28) - A Personal Note: Drew shares her passion for Fleetwood Mac, “Anytime someone says we're gonna do a Stevie Nicks SoulCycle class, you can just sign me up!” Dru Armstrong is CEO at AffiniPay, a leading fintech company creating payment-based practice management tools. She brings over 17 years of experience in consumer and product technology development and management. She is a proven high-growth leader with a history of creating strong customer experiences while fueling technology growth and market expansions and leads with innovation, diversity and inclusion, and verticalized software. David Cowen is a 20+-year industry veteran, the host of Careers in the Business of Law (CBL), and the founder of the Cowen Group, a legal services company connecting professionals in the business of law with high-touch opportunities to engage and move their careers from Now to Next. David hosts a weekly Cowen Café virtual gathering and a quarterly conference called The Summit on Legal Innovation and Disruption (SOLID). The Cowen community, a network of decision makers and executives in corporate legal software, practice, and services, is over 1,200 members strong. Don't miss a moment of CBL by subscribing here: https://open.spotify.com/show/0DXsQqRF4A69Apt0LhxmeQ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/careers-and-the-business-of-law/id1677153104
Andy Wilson: Founder & CEO of Logikcull Who are the top 6 eDiscovery software CEOs? If I say Apple - you say Steve Jobs If I say Amazon, you say Jeff. If I say Tesla, Microsoft or GE you say Elon, Bill and Jack. But, what if I say, Logikcull, Relativity, Disco, Everlaw, Reveal or Casepoint? Join me this summer as I interview the top founders and CEO's in the Legal software space starting with the Big 6 of eDiscovery. In this episode- Andy Wilson founder and CEO of Logikcull. Andy and I discuss: Andy Wilson's Background and Education 9:24 Andy Wilson shares his childhood dream of being his own boss and his love for reading comic books and sci-fi. He also talks about his interest in art and how he eventually switched from English and psychology to computer science and then to management science, which combined his interests in both business and software. Market Velocity and Business Model Comparison 11:31 David Cowen and Andy Wilson discuss the varying rates of change in different market sections and the slow adoption of modern technology. They also compare their business model to their competitors, highlighting their democratization ethos and unique bimodal purchasing options. Wilson uses the analogy of selling water to a building on fire to describe their event-driven market. Business model compared to competitors14:37 Identifying Superpowers 17:30 David Cowen leads a discussion on identifying superpowers among the CEOs present. He asks Andy Wilson about his specific superpowers and Wilson shares that he excels in designing easy-to-use systems and making them accessible to customers. Cowen also asks Wilson for advice for law firms and corporate law departments starting their journey in exploring next-gen technology in the e-discovery space. Cybersecurity Threats to Law Firms and Disrupting Incentive Structures 20:06 David Cowen and Andy Wilson discuss the cybersecurity threats faced by law firms and the need to invest in secure modern technology to handle clients' data. They also talk about the impact of AI on the legal industry and the need to disrupt incentive structures to adapt to the changing landscape. Commercial Break and Logical Advertisement 26:08 During a break in the meeting, David and Andy do a humorous commercial for Logikcull. The Impact of Automation on Job Creation 28:40 David Cowen and Andy Wilson discuss the potential impact of automation on job creation, citing McKinsey's report that for every job destroyed during the internet boom, 2.6 jobs were created. They express optimism about the future and discuss the potential for automation in the legal space, including the creation of roles such as legal engineers and chief AI officers. They also discuss the potential for automation to make the law easier to understand and for non-technical attorneys to do good work. The Future of Legal Services 32:37 David Cowen and Andy Wilson discuss how the mission of Logikcull, is to democratize legal services and make it more accessible to the general population. They predict that the demand for legal services will increase as the cost decreases and access becomes easier. They also discuss the possibility of a new breed of lawyers emerging, specializing in areas such as drone litigation. The Market and Entrepreneurship 38:04 David and Andy discuss the changing landscape of entrepreneurship and the ability for startups to compete with fewer resources. For more on Cowen Podcasts, Career Coaching, and Leadership Networking Events, please visit www.Cowengroup.com
In this episode, Tommie Ferriera - Head of Legal Operations at Cedar, turns the tables on David to find out how he got started, his top tips on networking and meeting new people, and the books that most influenced him. David provides his top tips on how to get the most out of any conference, including how to approach people, the importance of follow-up, and the benefits of being authentic and building genuine connections. In the final segment, Tommie asks David to share the books that most influenced him. David lists his top picks, including "Power Failure "—the Story of Leadership and Failure at GE. You are the average of the 5 people around you. This episode is a must-listen on how to elevate and expand your connections. For more on Cowen Podcasts, Career Coaching, and Events, please visit www.Cowengroup.com
Jerry Bui, Senior Managing Director of FTI- Social Media as Mentorship and Leading a 3 Generational Workforce. How do you lead, coach, and impact a 3 generational workforce? Especially now with such an extensive remote workforce and a variety of hybrids? Jerry and I unpack the power of social media as a new form of mentorship. We also discuss evolving trends in legal technology, the power of AI as an accelerator of careers, and of course, favorite books, podcasts, and what happens after what happens next. Learn more about Jerry Bui at https://www.linkedin.com/in/jerrybui/ Thanks for listening! For more on David Cowen, Cowen Events, and Cowen Executive Coaching, Visit; www.cowengroup.com
David Cowen is a connector. For 20 years, he's connected major players across the legal industry. He is also the founder of SOLID. In today's episode of CLOC Talk, Jenn, and David discuss imposter syndrome and how you can stay inspired and curious in today's legal ops ecosystem. Check out SOLID here: https://www.solid.legal/
On this April 7th edition of the London Live Podcast: Diane Brisebois is the CEO of the Retail Council of Canada, and joins Mike to discuss how the pandemic may have affected retail pricing, and how it may continue to do so. Afterwards Mike hears directly from listeners to vent their frustrations around all the lockdowns and restrictions. Finally, organ donation recipient David Cowen talks to us about why organ donors are so important. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Jessica interviews David Cowen about the latest trends in DFIR, explores David's journey to becoming a leading expert in the field, and talk taco recommendations.
Joined by David Cowen, we discuss the implications of COVID-19 on baseball, how to stay occupied during the break, and some cool fantasy baseball ideas. David's podcast: https://vettechcafe.podbean.com/ --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/benzion-gisser/support
Estamos en el mes de fiestas patrias y en esta ocasión responderemos algunas de sus dudas que nos han dejado a través de nuestros canales de comunicación, el tema de este episodio #67 es acerca de System Journaling Forensics, ¿Sabes lo que es? Podría parecer un término bastante confuso pero nuestro experto en esta ocasión David Cowen nos explica todo sobre como analizar este tipo de artefactos, disfrútenlo y esperamos que sea de gran apoyo para todos ustedes.
Startups who are acting on innovative ideas best reflect the impact technology has on the legal industry. In this On The Road report from the Summit on Legal Innovation and Disruption (SOLID) East 2018 at Hogan Lovells in New York City, host David Cowen talks to Chris Mammen about The Tech Showcase and how innovation is driving change in the legal profession. They discuss the significance of the showcase, the rate of change in the legal market in terms of investment in technology, and where this change is coming from. Chris Mammen is partner at Hogan Lovells in San Francisco where he specializes in intellectual property litigation and appeals.
Live from the Magnet User Summit in Las Vegas with Jessica Hyde, Heather Mahalik, Jad Saliba, Matthew Seyer and David Cowen
Live with Maxime Lamothe-Brassard, Nicole Ibrahim, Matthew Seyer and David Cowen talking about ETLs, the SANS DFIR Summit, and Lima Charlie
Forensic Lunch Live with Devon Ackerman, Matthew Seyer and David Cowen. Devon Ackerman presented on Office365 forensics
Live with Jason Jordaan talking about DFIR in South Africa, James Cooksey talking about Belkasoft, Troy Schnack talking about his work and being nominated for Forensicator of the Year, Matthew Seyer and David Cowen
Forensic Lunch Live with Lee Whitfield, Matthew Seyer and David Cowen
Live with Lee Whitfield, Matthew Seyer and David Cowen talking about the Forensic 4Cast award Nominees
Live with Phill Moore, Dr. Bradley Schatz, Matthew Seyer and David Cowen talking about This week in forensics and Evimetry
The Forensic Lunch live with Matthew Seyer and David Cowen talking about how Office saves files and more testing
Live with Ashley Hernandez, Joe Sylve, Matthew Seyer and David Cowen talking about Blacklight and Blackbag
Live with Eric Zimmerman, Matthew Seyer and David Cowen talking about Registry Explorer and transactional registries
Live with Maxim Suhanov (@errno_fail), Matthew Seyer and David Cowen talking about Registry Forensics, Transactional Registry logs and his library YARP
I spoke with David Cowen, the president and managing director of The Cowen Group, a staffing and recruiting firm focusing exclusively on the eDiscovery, litigation support, privacy, security, and information governance sectors. His firm also produces the Summit on Legal Innovation and Disruption in various cities across the U.S We discussed the genesis of the SOLID summit, why the legal industry so focused on innovation and disruption this year, how individuals can give themselves an advantage in an increasingly competitive job market, and how events like SOLID capture the evolution of the legal profession.
I spoke with David Cowen, the president and managing director of The Cowen Group, a staffing and recruiting firm focusing exclusively on the eDiscovery, litigation support, privacy, security, and information governance sectors. His firm also produces the Summit on Legal Innovation and Disruption in various cities across the U.S We discussed the genesis of the SOLID summit, why the legal industry so focused on innovation and disruption this year, how individuals can give themselves an advantage in an increasingly competitive job market, and how events like SOLID capture the evolution of the legal profession.
I spoke with David Cowen, the president and managing director of The Cowen Group, a staffing and recruiting firm focusing exclusively on the eDiscovery, litigation support, privacy, security, and information governance sectors. His firm also produces the Summit on Legal Innovation and Disruption in various cities across the U.S We discussed the genesis of the SOLID summit, why the legal industry so focused on innovation and disruption this year, how individuals can give themselves an advantage in an increasingly competitive job market, and how events like SOLID capture the evolution of the legal profession.
I spoke with David Cowen, the president and managing director of The Cowen Group, a staffing and recruiting firm focusing exclusively on the eDiscovery, litigation support, privacy, security, and information governance sectors. His firm also produces the Summit on Legal Innovation and Disruption in various cities across the U.S We discussed the genesis of the SOLID summit, why the legal industry so focused on innovation and disruption this year, how individuals can give themselves an advantage in an increasingly competitive job market, and how events like SOLID capture the evolution of the legal profession.
This is going to be the second holiday break episode and the first of 2017. In this episode, I am taking a quick look back at the first five episodes (https://cybersecurityinterviews.com/episodes/) with my guests to date: Chris Pogue (https://cybersecurityinterviews.com/001-chris-pogue-like-chihuahua-pork-chop/) David Cowen (https://cybersecurityinterviews.com/002-david-cowen-standing-shoulders-giants/) Lenny Zeltser (https://cybersecurityinterviews.com/003-lenny-zeltser-can-never-know-everything/) Nicholas Percoco (https://cybersecurityinterviews.com/004-nicholas-percoco-dont-second-guess/) Morgan Wright (https://cybersecurityinterviews.com/005-morgan-wright-rule-threes/) Each of these cyber security professionals have had their own, unique journeys to get where they are. In each interview, I learned a lot about them as individuals, but also got their perspectives on a variety of topics that influence the industry as well as some valuable advice. Thanks everyone for listening to the first episodes of Cyber Security Interviews. I hope you are all getting some valuable insight to the industry as well as some sage advice. Next week we are back with our regular schedule of interviews with top cyber security pros. Have a safe and happy new year everyone, I look forward to speaking to you all soon. Remember to sign up here (https://cybersecurityinterviews.com/email-sign-up/) for email notifications of new episodes.
G-C Partners, LLC (http://www.g-cpartners.com/) , a full service digital forensics investigation company, and has experience working in a variety of environments ranging from high security military installations to large/small private sector companies. David is also one of the most passionate and active contributors within the cyber security and forensic communities. I look at David's contributions and think he doesn't sleep and/or someone in Dallas, TX there is cloning facility that has produced David Cowens versions 2 -5 which are all running around outputting awesome contributions to the community (yes, like the movie Multiplicity (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117108/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_44) ). Here is just a short list of what David' does to give back to the industry: Regular speaker at conferences such as OSDFCon (http://www.osdfcon.org/2016-event/2016-agenda/) Ran his blog, Hacking Exposed Computer Forensics (http://www.hecfblog.com/) , daily which included a weekly forensic challenge Is a Red Team Captain for the National Collegiate Cyber Defense Competition (http://www.nationalccdc.org/) Has his own regular video podcast, Forensic Lunch (https://www.youtube.com/user/LearnForensics) Author of Computer Forensics: InfoSec Pro Guide (https://www.amazon.com/Computer-Forensics-InfoSec-Pro-Guide/dp/007174245X) Co-author of Hacking Exposed: Computer Forensics (https://www.amazon.com/Hacking-Exposed-Computer-Forensics-Second/dp/0071626778) Co-author of Anti-Hacker Tool Kit, Third Edition (https://www.amazon.com/Anti-Hacker-Tool-Third-Mike-Shema/dp/0072262877) Is a SANS Institute Certified Instructor (https://www.sans.org/instructors/david-cowen) Developed HFS+ capabilities (https://www.gettriforce.com/product/hfs-journal-parser/) ) He is also a two-time Forensic 4cast (https://forensic4cast.com/forensic-4cast-awards/) award winner for both Digital Forensic Article of the Year and Digital Forensic Blog of the year. When he is not doing all of this, he is also a family man and BBQ aficionado. Nope. Zero chance this is one person. In this interview we will discuss how he has accomplished all of this, why he loves being an expert witness, why he moved from pen tester to forensicator, his inspiration to start programming, his favorite type of investigation and the questions to ask, how to hire good talent, what it took to develop TriForce ANJP and how it was a community effort, how no one stands on their own in the industry, and much more. I hope you enjoy this discussion. Please leave your comments below! Where you can find David: LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcowen) Twitter (https://twitter.com/HECFBlog) Hacking Exposed Computer Forensics (http://www.hecfblog.com/) Forensic Lunch (https://www.youtube.com/user/LearnForensics)
Could it be possible that Baby Boomers in IT and litigation support really might retire? Will law firms and law departments be caught off guard and face a sudden talent drought? In this March edition of Law Technology Now, host Monica Bay welcomes David Cowen, founder and president of The Cowen Group and Michael Potters, CEO/managing partner of The Glenmont Group, to explore the ramifications and offer tips on how organizations can prepare for the brain drain.
Litigation Support Career Corner: Episode 2 – Today's Legal Project Manager. Grab a front row seat for an enlightening, one on one conversation with David Cowen of the Cowen Group and Kevin Hayworth from Paul Hastings about the evolution of project management in the legal industry. Listen to this podcast to help develop an interdisciplinary and comprehensive approach to project management.
I spoke with David Cowen, the managing director of The Cowen Group, an executive search and market analysis firm focusing exclusively on litigation support and e-discovery. We discussed hiring trends and the market for legal talent. While he is observing a flattening of the employment market in law firms, and possibly a depression, following years of double-digit growth, he is seeing an upward demand for staff on the corporate side. Cowen highlights that the moment an organization makes the decision to insource, they realize they need the talent to drive that strategy and will likely get it from law firms and vendors. He views the corporate market as similar to the positioning of major law firms in 2003-2005, who were just establishing major e-discovery practices. As such, he has an optimistic view of the employment picture.
I spoke with David Cowen, the managing director of The Cowen Group, an executive search and market analysis firm focusing exclusively on litigation support and e-discovery. We discussed hiring trends and the market for legal talent. While he is observing a flattening of the employment market in law firms, and possibly a depression, following years of double-digit growth, he is seeing an upward demand for staff on the corporate side. Cowen highlights that the moment an organization makes the decision to insource, they realize they need the talent to drive that strategy and will likely get it from law firms and vendors. He views the corporate market as similar to the positioning of major law firms in 2003-2005, who were just establishing major e-discovery practices. As such, he has an optimistic view of the employment picture.
I spoke with David Cowen, the managing director of The Cowen Group, an executive search and market analysis firm focusing exclusively on litigation support and e-discovery. We discussed hiring trends and the market for legal talent. While he is observing a flattening of the employment market in law firms, and possibly a depression, following years of double-digit growth, he is seeing an upward demand for staff on the corporate side. Cowen highlights that the moment an organization makes the decision to insource, they realize they need the talent to drive that strategy and will likely get it from law firms and vendors. He views the corporate market as similar to the positioning of major law firms in 2003-2005, who were just establishing major e-discovery practices. As such, he has an optimistic view of the employment picture.
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