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Ben Dietz convenes Casey Lewis (After School), Daisy Alioto (Dirt), and Erica Chen (Media Futures Group, WPP) on the collapse of the wall between editorial and commerce. Publishers are shipping perfume, brands are hiring writers, and the relationship forming in your inbox isn't human-to-human anymore. What happens when the scenic route is quicker? When “wasted” time actually is the relationship? Your total addressable market now includes agents, and those agents are trained on the taste you are curating. After all – what you buy is who you become, but what you read is how you decide. Base Notes: Upper Lip Sweat and Hot Metal Key takeaways: Publishers now make products; brands now make publications. The wall stopped mattering. Optimization is a process of reduction, and serendipity gets cut first. Brands flame out at issue two or three without a point of view. Taste-driven publishers have a new addressable market: agents trained on taste. [12:48] "The best ROI does not necessarily give you growth, because growth comes in volumes." – Erica Chen [21:15] "When your audience knows to expect you… you really have to stay true to that." – Casey Lewis [28:50] "Our total addressable market now includes agents." – Daisy Alioto [30:32] "Creators are the cure to the media fragmentation." – Erica Chen Associated Links: Casey Lewis – After School on Substack Erica Chen – "In Defense of Serendipity" Daisy Alioto – Read Dirt @ dirt.fyi Tasteland podcast – Daisy Alioto & Francis Zierer VISIONS Summit 2026 – November 3, 2026 at MoMA. Listen to today's episode for 25% off Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
The funnel most marketers grew up on – see the ad, click, browse, add to cart, buy – did not gradually erode. It came apart almost overnight, as shoppers got comfortable discovering, deciding, and buying inside social feeds and LLMs, often in a single moment. Recorded live at K:LDN 2026 in London, this is the close-out conversation for the series, a step back to ask what actually replaces the funnel and what it demands of the brands trying to keep pace. Alicia Esposito of Future Commerce sits down with Kelsey Capps, who leads Klaviyo's product work across analytics, personalization, and AI, and so has a front-row seat to the change. A shopper can now find a product in a TikTok comment, buy it, and post about it before the marketing team has time to react, which means the advance-planning window marketers relied on has all but vanished. Kelsey's argument is that brands have to rebalance, away from a roughly 80/20 split of campaigns over automated flows and toward signal-triggered automation that can react in the moment, like a flow that fires when someone arrives from a ChatGPT referral. Underneath the tactics sits a bigger shift: optimizing your site and product data so the machines doing the discovering can actually surface you, and building an operating model around understanding customers rather than merely targeting them. Her closing note is optimistic. The data advantage that once belonged only to enterprises is now within reach of the smallest brand, and because customer intelligence compounds, the brands that start building the model first are the ones that pull away. What you'll learn What replaces the linear funnel once discovery, comparison, and conversion happen at once Why the advance-planning window has collapsed, and what to do about it How to rebalance from campaigns toward signal-triggered automated flows Why optimizing your product data and brand voice for machines is now table stakes How a single wrong recommendation breaks trust, and why understanding beats targeting Why customer intelligence compounds, and why first movers pull away Pull quotes "Customers don't want to be just targeted, they want to be understood." — Kelsey Capps [13:50] "You can see when someone came to your site from ChatGPT. That's just a UTM source on an event, and a brand could automate a workflow around it." — Kelsey Capps [16:15] "This conversation used to be confined to the four walls of industry events. Now your family and friends are having the same conversations about how their data is being used." — Alicia Esposito [23:01] "Even your smallest mom-and-pop shop can take advantage of their first-party data in a way they just never could before." — Kelsey Capps [24:55] Chapters 0:00 Cold open and introductions 5:23 Perpetual commerce and the collapse of the funnel 6:11 Discovering and buying inside a TikTok comment 11:43 Understanding customers, not just targeting them 14:46 Optimizing your data for the machines doing the discovering 15:40 The vanishing planning window, campaigns versus flows 17:08 Composer and orchestration pulling it together 19:03 Vision in the age of autonomy 22:00 The turkey-sub story, how a bad recommendation breaks trust 23:43 What Kelsey is optimistic about, and the urgency for laggards In-Show Mentions: Learn more about Klaviyo's Composer Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
"Service is the new storefront" has been a slogan for the better part of a decade, usually followed by a promise to turn a cost center into a profit center that never quite arrived. What changed is not the ambition. It is that the plumbing finally exists. Recorded live at K:LDN 2026 in London, this conversation is about what becomes possible when a brand can pull customer data from any channel and hand it, in real time, to a human or an AI agent. Phillip Jackson sits down with Kelly Thacker of Klaviyo's product marketing team. Her argument is that the prize is democratization: taking the best in-store associate, the person who knows both the products and the customer, and making that experience available on every channel and to every brand, not just the ones who can staff a great team. Kelly is candid about the failure mode too, the dumb bot that asks a loyal VIP for an email address it should already have. The fix is an agent that knows the business and the customer, with escalation rules the brand sets and widens as trust grows. The number that makes the case is blunt: where is my order is still the most common question to any agent, human or AI, and automating it hands time back to people for the work that actually needs them. She closes by looking further out, to a world where marketing and service stop being separate departments and brands begin building for agent-to-agent shopping, where a customer's agent transacts with a brand's. You Don't Have to Babysit Your Agent Anymore What you'll learn Why the cost-center-to-profit-center promise is finally deliverable, and what specifically changed What separates an agent that delights from the dumb bot that frustrates How brands set the line between automation and human escalation, and widen it over time Why where is my order is the single most valuable question to automate How service data feeds back into marketing and the rest of the relationship What agent-to-agent shopping is, and why it is closer than it sounds Pull quotes "You could be the most loyal VIP customer, and then a chatbot asks, can you give me your email address, and you think, you should just know me." — Kelly Thacker, Product Marketing, Klaviyo [TK] "We meet customers where they are. You build for the future, and you help them slowly get comfortable with that change." — Kelly Thacker [TK] "A poor experience with an agent feels worse than a poor experience with a human, so the human in the loop has to be so important to this." — Phillip Jackson [TK] "This is the moment where people will either rise to the occasion or they'll be forgotten." — Kelly Thacker [TK] Chapters [TK] Cold open and introductions [TK] Service is the new storefront, an old promise made real [TK] Democratizing the best in-store associate [TK] The dumb bot, and what a good agent must know [TK] Human in the loop, escalation rules the brand controls [TK] Where is my order, automating the most common question [TK] Signals from a service chat that make marketing smarter [TK] The future, one brand experience and agent-to-agent shopping [TK] Brands doing service and experience well In-Show Mentions: Learn more about Klaviyo's Composer Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
For years, the marketer's job ended when the campaign shipped. Hit send, check the numbers, measure growth, repeat. That model is changing, and what replaces it is agentic orchestration, where the system and the journey around a message matter more than a single send. Recorded live at K:LDN 2026, this conversation pairs the person building the AI with an operator running it at real scale. Gilbert Hsu, who leads Marketing AI at Klaviyo, sits down with Alon Turchin, VP of Retention at Particle, a US-manufactured DTC self-care brand for men with a marketing team based in Israel. That kind of scale brings real complexity, and this is where Composer by Klaviyo brings solutions at scale. Alon describes it today as the brain and the eyes, the thing that finds and frames problems he might not catch manually. His wish list is for it to become the hands too, trusted to edit filters, rules, and content, a trust he says has to be earned through testing first. Closing advice for teams earlier in their journey: know your audience before you trust anyone's benchmarks, remember that selling is mostly psychological, and test your way to what actually works rather than assuming you already know. What you'll learn How Particle scaled from one million to ten million monthly sends in weeks, not months, while doubling revenue Why "the campaign is not the product, the system is" changes what a marketing team actually optimizes for How Particle segments customers and non-customers by urgency and lifecycle stage across 150-plus flows and 100-plus forms Where Composer fits today (the brain and the eyes) and what Alon wants it to become next (the hands) Why rigorous A/B testing is the gate that lets Alon hand more decisions to AI Alon's advice for marketers earlier in their own orchestration journey Key takeaways Alon's operating principle: the campaign is not the product, the system is, meaning the journey around a message matters more than the message itself. Particle scaled from one million to ten million sends a month in a matter of weeks, not months or a year of slow warmup, while revenue doubled, run across more than 150 active flows and 100-plus forms. Segmentation isn't just more lists, it's urgency based. Recent sign-ups get reached while the brand is still top of mind. Older, colder contacts get reintroduced rather than ignored. Composer today functions as the brain and the eyes, surfacing problems and opportunities Alon might miss manually. His wish list is for it to become the hands, trusted to edit filters, rules, and content, once testing earns that trust. Alon's closing advice: don't assume you know your audience or trust someone else's benchmark. Selling is mostly psychological, so test relentlessly until you find what actually works for your own customers. Chapters 0:00 Cold open and introductions 1:38 Meet Particle, and how the marketing job has changed 2:48 The campaign is not the product, the system is 3:30 From engagement to behavior-based segmentation 4:49 Why sending more, to the right tiers, doubled revenue 7:12 Managing 150-plus flows without losing control 7:55 Composer as the brain and eyes, and the wishlist for the hands 10:43 Keeping the brand's soul with a human in the loop 11:55 Advice for teams earlier in the journey In-Show Mentions: Learn more about Klaviyo's Composer Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Social is where discovery happens now, but it is rented land. You can build an audience of hundreds of thousands and still not own the relationship, because the algorithm decides who sees you and the landlord keeps raising the rent. Recorded live at K:LDN 2026 in London, this conversation is about turning borrowed reach into something a brand actually owns. It pairs the person building the tooling with the person living the problem every day. Brett Bernstein, who came to Klaviyo through its acquisition of Gatsby and now leads its new social product, sits down with Kathleen Loftus, Marketing Director at Sculpted by Aimee, an Irish cosmetics brand with a 350,000-strong Instagram following. Kathleen runs brand, creative, PR, influencer, CRM, and paid under one roof, which is exactly why she can trace a viral moment all the way to revenue. She walks through a campaign built on a piece of theater: teasing the discontinuation of a beloved cream blush. The stunt ran as a closed loop, from Instagram to the brand's broadcast channel to a website waitlist, and it sold roughly eight weeks of forecast stock in under a week. Brett and Kathleen then dig into the unglamorous problem underneath the fun: attribution, why the brand rebuilt its entire UTM structure this year, and how so many of the people engaging with a brand never actually hit follow. The payoff is a practical view of what it means to own the social moment: spotting the commenters and lurkers who signal intent, and giving them a reason to move into channels the brand controls. Why Rent Platforms When You Can Own Relationships? What you'll learn Why keeping social, CRM, and paid on one team is what lets social activity connect to revenue How a brand decides what to post when every post has to earn its place, not just chase reach The mechanics of a closed-loop campaign that turned a discontinuation stunt into a sold-out waitlist Why social attribution starts with unglamorous plumbing, and what rebuilding a UTM structure buys you Why most people engaging with a brand on social never follow it, and why following is the wrong metric to chase How to move commenters and lurkers off rented platforms into email and SMS Pull quotes "Not everything needs a million likes or a million views, but it has to have a purpose to be on our channels." — Kathleen Loftus, Marketing Director, Sculpted by Aimee [~7:05] "We sold out eight weeks' worth of our forecasted product in less than a week." — Kathleen Loftus [~9:15] "Instagram is the landlord that keeps raising the rent every month." — Kathleen Loftus [13:23] "You might think they're no longer an active customer, but then you notice their comments on your content. Those are signals we can now unlock." — Brett Bernstein, Klaviyo [14:36] Chapters 0:00 Cold open and introductions 3:18 Meet Sculpted by Aimee, one team across all of marketing 5:46 Showing up on Instagram, posting with purpose 7:12 Reading the data, what social signals actually tell you 7:57 The Cream Luxe discontinuation stunt, a sold-out waitlist 10:15 From social to revenue, rebuilding attribution and UTMs 12:28 Rented land, why following is the wrong metric 14:36 Turning engaged non-followers into owned relationships 15:26 A campaign that nailed it, the Sculpted Society pop-up In-Show Mentions: Sculpted by Aimee Learn more about Klaviyo's new tools Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Recommending the wrong whiskey to a loyal customer does not just miss a sale. It breaks trust, and once trust breaks, no amount of personalization copy fixes it. Recorded live at K:LDN 2026 in London, this conversation is about the thing every brand now has in common. Everyone has access to the same AI tools. So what actually separates the brands winning with them from the ones just using them? Phillip Jackson sits down with Jake Cohen, VP of Insights at Klaviyo, and Tim Martin-Harvey, Head of Ecommerce at The Bottle Club, a UK multi-brand alcohol retailer carrying roughly 9,500 products. Their answer: memory. Not the AI kind, the brand kind… meaning the stored, structured context a business builds about its own customers and products over time. Tim explains how one mandatory checkout question, asking whether an order is a gift, for self-consumption, for hosting, or for trade, reshaped his customer insight and exposed why standard RFM and lifetime value metrics break down across different buyer types. Jake widens the lens, arguing that loyalty is better measured through engagement across touchpoints than through money spent, and that the brands seeing real gains from AI are the ones writing customer and product knowledge down as reusable context, what Klaviyo calls "artifacts." The conversation gets specific fast, down to the exact wrong recommendation that can cost a brand its credibility, and closes with Jake's straightforward plan for putting this into practice over the next 90 days. What you'll learn Why context, not performance marketing spend, is becoming the real competitive moat as every brand adopts the same AI tools How one checkout question corrected years of wrong assumptions about who buys and why at The Bottle Club Why standard RFM and lifetime value segmentation breaks down once you separate gift buyers from self-consumption buyers Why loyalty is better read through engagement than through total spend The exact kind of recommendation mistake that destroys customer trust, and how layered product data prevents it Jake Cohen's 30/60/90 day plan for building AI context that compounds over time Key takeaways As every brand uses the same AI tools, the real differentiator becomes stored context, meaning written detail about the brand, the customer, and the products, what Klaviyo calls "artifacts." The Bottle Club added one mandatory checkout question (gift, self-consumption, hosting, or trade), which corrected wrong assumptions about which products are gifts and showed that standard RFM and lifetime value metrics break down across different buyer types. Loyalty reads better through engagement across touchpoints than through money spent. The goal is asking the right questions instead of pushing a discount, then building context on each customer over time. Recommendations get dramatically stronger when product data (margin, weeks of cover, gift versus self-consumption, category nuance) is layered onto customer data. Recommend a Jack Daniels to a lifelong Jameson drinker and you have made, in Tim's own framing, the worst recommendation possible, one that costs more than the sale. Jake's plan: set up a service agent and build its skills first, then use Composer to explore your data and test ideas, then keep improving the skills as you learn, since the value compounds over time. Pull quotes "The word of the moment to me is actually context, and that context, if you can store it effectively and leverage it effectively, is the way that you can create a moat, because you can serve more people more personally, more memorably, which will create deeper relationships and, of course, more durable business over time." — Jake Cohen, VP of Insights, Klaviyo [2:08 to 3:04] "What starts to become very important in the world of AI post LLMs is that the most important thing a brand can do is show up for someone the way that they need when they need it." — Jake Cohen [9:09] "I genuinely think Klaviyo agent makes the most sense to be the agentic storefront, and that's not just me Klaviyo championing it. It's genuinely got the most context from multiple sources." — Tim Martin-Harvey, Head of Ecommerce, The Bottle Club [18:49 to 19:48] "The answer should not be, 'Great, here's 10% off, go buy one.' The answer should be, 'How long are you running? Do you have a color you're interested in? Do you have a race coming up?' As you start to collect that information, that helps build the context for that individual, and they become the type of customer that will stay with you for a lifetime." — Jake Cohen [10:26] Chapters 0:00 Cold open and introductions 4:45 Memory is the new moat, why context beats tools 8:00 The checkout question that rewrote The Bottle Club's customer data 9:15 Why RFM analysis breaks down across buyer types 10:40 Showing up for the customer the way they need, when they need it 12:15 The running shoe example, questions over discounts 19:08 The whiskey mistake, the worst recommendation in retail 20:38 Why Klaviyo believes it can power the agentic storefront 21:18 Jake's plan for the next 90 days In-Show Mentions: The Bottle Club Learn more about Klaviyo's Composer Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
K:LDN 2026 opened to more than a thousand merchants and set a clear vision with several key product announcements: Klaviyo's expanding toolset has become powerful enough to let a brand of any size operate at a scale that once required a full team. The promise of personalization, long marketed but rarely delivered, has finally become something all brands can ship. Phillip Jackson sits down live with Klaviyo CMO Jamie Domenici and IDC research director Roger Beharry Lall to break down the trends that are shaping the future of retail and Klaviyo as an organization: the slow collapse of the linear funnel as shoppers move across LLMs, social, and search; the evolution of AI from a disparate chat window to an embedded experience where marketers work; and how the public beta of Klaviyo's new agent, Composer, is helping marketers create campaigns rooted in data from hundreds of thousands of merchants. Market Like It's Hot Key takeaways: A year ago brands were still learning what AI was; this year, they're ready to put it to work. Klaviyo's Composer moves the agent out of the chat window and into campaigns, flows and channels where marketers operate. Klaviyo's edge is context: customer history plus best practices drawn from 200,000 brands, unified in one data platform. The funnel is no longer a controlled path; discovery, advertising, and commerce increasingly share the same LLM. European merchants weigh privacy and compliance more heavily, which favors vendors who have already solved for regulation. [XX:XX] "Six months ago, you couldn't buy in an LLM. Now you can actually have more visibility into what your customers are doing in an LLM, how they're interacting." (Jamie Domenici) [XX:XX] "77% of consumers would prefer to click through from the recommendations in their agentic searches, rather than have the agent do a purchase for them. They want control." (Phillip Jackson) In-Show Mentions: Learn more about Klaviyo's AI marketing agent, Composer Learn more about Klaviyo Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Phillip and Brian run the docket: why "proof of work" is the new luxury signal, what the AI export-control fight shares with a brand guarding its trade secrets, and how AI is flooding the patent office while quietly favoring incumbents. But perhaps the most profound part of the conversation lies in two trends taking internet culture by storm. "Tasteslop" and Korea's "dopamine sites" appear as distinct ideas, but they're actually two faces of the same impulse: consumption stripped down to pure signal. Key takeaways: AI slop makes "proof of work" the new status signal. Brands win by showing the process and the discards, not hiding them. Software isn't the moat… chips, power, and craft are. AI patent tools favor incumbents, widening the gap with upstarts. "Tasteslop" and "dopamine sites": consumption as pure signal, minus the object. Key quotes: [~06:45] "When people aren't making up the machine, we start to question everything now." — Brian [~10:00] "It's the entire PR campaign around it that shows you all of the discarded drawings that weren't used." — Phillip [~36:00] "AI does not make this more of a level playing field. If anything… they can box the small guys out even more effectively." — Phillip [~39:29] "You can't trademark taste." — Brian In-Show Mentions: "The Process Is the Product" – Insiders piece by Sophia Epstein James Bridle – Ways of Being: Beyond Human Intelligence and New Dark Age AI & Agentic Commerce hub Emily Segal on "Tasteslop" STRATA: 10 Aesthetics Shaping Culture and Commerce Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Resale is forcing brands to rethink product design, pricing, and customer acquisition from the ground up. Ryan Rowe (Archive) and Alison Buchanan (Lululemon) join Brian and Alicia to unpack how lululemon's Like New evolved from a sustainability pilot into a meaningful commercial channel. We unpack messy reverse logistics, the AI agents now quietly running warehouse decisions, and the organizational vision required to make circular commerce work across a vertically structured enterprise. When the Future of Commerce Is Circular, Every Brand Is A Secondhand Brand Key takeaways: Resale has shifted from a sustainability gesture to a commercial channel with P&L accountability. Branded resale wins where third-party marketplaces can't: data integrity, trust, and brand language. Like New must operate to tackle a fundamentally different eCommerce problem — one-of-one inventory breaks mainline systems. AI is moving from assisting warehouse operators to serving as autonomous agents that optimize pricing and routing. Circular commerce is an acquisition engine; roughly half of resale shoppers are new to the lululemon brand. Key quotes: [02:41] "It's a very technical problem. It's a large-scale platform problem that touches virtually every piece of a brand's business." — Ryan Rowe [06:12] "Commerce is, is obviously just a space that we are starting to realize is a strong commercial lever… Like New for our business is really sitting at this intersection of business and impact." — Alison Buchanan [08:40] "Resale of lululemon was happening at scale already all around us. And it was either let it happen without us… or uphold our brand standards." — Alison Buchanan [26:26] "A lot of customers are actually trying brands for the first time with a used item… because it's a way for them to test things like fit and material and quality at a much lower barrier to entry." — Ryan Rowe In-Show Mentions: Archive Like New by Lululemon Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Dr. Mark Grether, SVP and General Manager of PayPal Ads, joins Phillip from PayPal's Manhattan offices to argue that the merchant storefront is migrating off owned websites and into LLMs. This may make the mechanics of customer experience and loyalty a bit murky, but Mark explains how PayPal's "transaction graph,” built on real purchases across 30 million merchants and 400 million consumers, acts as the deterministic identity layer that the post-cookie ad world has been missing. We also cover the evolving world of commerce media, from zero-click commerce and CTV attribution to PayPal Ads' newest product, Storefront Ads, which transforms the creative into the checkout. The Cart Cartographer Key takeaways: Consumers now start product discovery on LLMs, not search engines or merchant sites. PayPal's transaction graph spans 30M merchants and 400M consumers, representing real purchases, not just clicks. Deterministic payment identity beats cookies and probabilistic IDs for cross-channel attribution. Storefront Ads turn any ad into a one-click, pre-populated checkout. Creators run two businesses: generating consumer data, then monetizing it. [00:04:03] "We're not just seeing behavior, we're actually seeing the real transactions. We know what people are purchasing — not whether they search for something or browse for something. We actually see what they are buying." – Mark Grether [00:11:00] "The trick about our identity is it was built from a finance perspective, meaning I need to understand that you are you and not your twin brother. Our identity has to clear a much higher bar compared to probabilistic IDs or cookies." – Mark Grether [00:13:40] "The idea of Storefront Ads is that the creative itself becomes the shop. You're getting exposed to the sneakers, and with one click, you can actually make the purchase. We already know who you are, we know your bank account, we know your address — everything is pre-populated. From a consumer perspective, it becomes super easy to finish a transaction." In-Show Mentions: PayPal's Storefront Ads Learn more about PayPal Ads Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Snap Inc.'s Sid Malhotra makes the case that the platform most brands wrote off as "babies and teens" has quietly grown up. Now, commerce is migrating into these private, conversational spaces where nearly one billion users actually spend their time. We dig into why the traditional funnel no longer holds consumers' nuanced behaviors, how creators and chat shape decisions long before the last click, and what AI Sponsored Snaps mean for brands willing to be the answer rather than just another link. Where Are Your Next New Customers? Key takeaways: Snapchat's earliest users grew up; nearly one in four Snapchatters is now aged 35+. Purchase decisions increasingly occur in private chat, not on public feeds or in search. "Last-click jail" hides where customers actually decide. It's imperative that brands measure the full journey. AI Sponsored Snaps let brands run their own agents inside the chat feed. This is conversational commerce, in context. Authentic, creator-led, low-fi content beats polished commercials on the platform. Key quotes: [03:57] "We've come into the age where people are loving a few services and are hanging onto them and are creating their own personal community within those… And that brings me to the final question that Snapchat is trying to answer for businesses and brands worldwide: Where are your next first customers? Where are your next new customers?" — Sid Malhotra [16:27] "Last-click measurement systems are great at telling [you] where the purchase took place. But it doesn't tell you much more than that. It's kind of like trying to watch a movie by just watching the last scene…Sure, you know how the movie ended, but you have no idea what the main characters were doing, what the plot line was, and what got them here." — Sid Malhotra [19:55] "Working with influencers and community is closer to B2B commerce than B2C commerce…B2B has done a really good job of building real relationships, engaging with people where they're at, and finding the things that they care about in the process of selling to them." — Brian Lange Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Get all After Dark releases by joining Future Commerce Plus: www.futurecommerce.com/plus.Future Commerce Plus members get 20% off STRATA: www.futurecommerce.com/strata. An AI agent burns $12 building a fake Android phone nobody asked for. From there: Pope Leo's encyclical, a tick crisis blamed on vanishing chickens, a website that's cookied Phillip into Spanish forever, and The Devil Wears Prada 2, feat. why media was the visionary all along. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Recorded live at Google Marketing Live 2026, Phillip and eCommerce reporter Nicole Silberstein sit down with Ashish Gupta, VP & GM of Merchant Shopping at Google, who is behind the foundational commerce infrastructure powering the Shopping Graph and Universal Commerce Protocol. Gupta breaks down the GML announcements: UCP's expansion beyond shopping into hotels and food delivery, the multi-item Universal Cart that spans Search, Gemini, YouTube, and Gmail, and why the future of agentic commerce still depends on merchants nailing the fundamentals. A Shopper for Every Shopper Key takeaways: UCP is expanding beyond shopping into hotel bookings and local food delivery, giving every shopper their own personal shopper. The Universal Cart lets shoppers buy multiple items at once across Google surfaces, streamlining the buying experience as shoppers venture from inspiration to discovery and comparison. Merchants remains the seller of record no matter where the transaction is completed, tackling industry concerns about disintermediation. Conversational attributes enrich product feeds so AI can match nuanced shopper intent. Winning in agentic commerce starts with the fundamentals: feeds, first-party data, and UCP readiness. In-Show Mentions: Google Marketing Live 2026 and Google I/O 2026 Universal Cart & Universal Commerce Protocol (UCP) Further Reading: Google Imagines a Future Where Everyone Shops in Ads — A special edition of The Senses that distills the week's key announcements Episode 463: LIVE @ Google I/O: Universal Cart, Agentic Payments, and the Protocols Powering the Agent-Mediated Economy — Companion interview with Suresh Ganapathy Episode 464: LIVE @ Google Marketing Live: How Google Is Taking the Drudgery Out of Shopping— Companion interview with Nick Fox Google Solidifies Its Place in the AI Race — Insiders coverage of Google's UCP debut at NRF 2026, the foundation for this week's announcements [Member Brief] Agentic Commerce and the eCommerce Site's New Existential Crisis — How agentic platforms are reshaping the role of the branded eCommerce site Associated Links: Learn more about Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Recorded live at Google Marketing Live 2026, Phillip sits down with Nick Fox, SVP of Knowledge & Information at Google — the executive overseeing Search, Ads, Commerce, and geographic mapping products. Building on the prior day's I/O announcements, Fox unpacks how Gemini is reshaping Google's consumer and advertising products, why the Universal Cart strikes a balance between human taste and agentic convenience, and how two-plus decades at Google inform his view of building technology that shapes the lives of billions. Enabling People To Be People Key takeaways: Gemini 3.5 is the foundation supercharging Search, Ads, and Commerce across Google. The Universal Cart keeps humans choosing while agents handle the drudgery. UCP adoption has accelerated faster than expected across the industry. Conversational search has shifted user behavior toward natural, multi-word queries. "I think there are people that think everything's gonna be about agents talking to agents. I don't subscribe to that view." — Nick Fox "I am the person putting things in the cart. But then the cart is helping us agentively at the same time." — Nick Fox "We're building products that billions of people across the world are using. That's a responsibility we take seriously." — Nick Fox In-Show Mentions: Google Marketing Live 2026 and Google I/O 2026 Universal Cart & Universal Commerce Protocol (UCP) More from Future Commerce: LIVE @ Google I/O: Universal Cart, Agentic Payments, and the Protocols Powering the Agent-Mediated Economy Google Solidifies Its Place in the AI Race [Member Brief] Agentic Commerce and the eCommerce Site's New Existential Crisis Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
At Google I/O 2026, Phillip sits down with Suresh Ganapathy, Senior Director of Product Management for Consumer Shopping at Google, to unpack the day's announcements: Universal Commerce Protocol's expansion into new verticals, agentic payments arriving in Gemini Spark, and the debut of Universal Cart. We trace what these foundational pieces mean for how a billion daily shoppers, and the merchants serving them, will operate in an agent-mediated economy. Enter the Delegation Era Key Takeaways: Universal Cart maintains shopper state across Search, Gemini, YouTube, and Gmail. The cart works on your behalf: tracking prices, flagging restocks, and catching product incompatibilities. Agent Payments Protocol's (AP2) tamper-proof contracts make agent purchases verifiable and accountable to shopper intent. Merchants remain seller of record, preserving customer relationships inside agentic flows. Gemini Spark becomes Google's first consumer agent with purchasing authority this fall. Key Quotes: "We're laying the foundational building blocks of agentic commerce." — Suresh Ganapathi "People come to shop at Google over a billion times a day, and we want to make sure that we're delivering the best experience to them when they do." — Suresh Ganapathi "We want to make it really simple for shoppers to enjoy the fun parts of shopping and then delegate some of these more tedious aspects to agents." — Suresh Ganapathi "Spark is the agent. AP2 is the payments protocol. Universal Cart is the ability for consumers to have less friction." — Phillip Further Reading: More on Google's AI play: Insiders: Google Solidifies Its Place in the AI Race More on agent-mediated commerce: Member Brief: Agentic Commerce and the eCommerce Site's New Existential Crisis Our 2026 Predictions: The Age of Autonomy Learn more about Google I/O Google's Universal Cart Announcement Our Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
In this episode, we explore the common struggle of growing sales without seeing a matching increase in profit. Misha Druzhinin, Co-founder and CEO of Finsi.ai, explains why many brands fail to track their margins and how focusing only on immediate returns can hurt long-term growth. He shares how his AI platform helps business owners simplify complex data to find hidden waste and improve customer value.You will learn how to move away from constant discounting, reduce customer churn, and use smart data to spend more effectively on ads while staying profitable. Topics discussed in this episode: How failing to own profit margins stalls growth. Why relying on ROAS limits long-term brand success. What warning signs indicate your scaling is failing. How AI identifies high-value customer behavior patterns. What role qualitative data plays in reducing churn. Why "Smart Brevity" in data helps managers focus. How unit-level analysis uncovers hidden product waste. What retention architecture does for repeat purchases. How demographic data shifts modern marketing strategy. Why operational limits often signal a winning flywheel. Links & ResourcesWebsite: https://www.finsi.ai/Shopify App Store: https://www.finsi.ai/integrations/ecommerce/shopifyLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mdruzhinin/Get access to more free resources by visiting the show notes at https://tinyurl.com/yc3v2d8cI'd love your feedback. Tap the the link to send me a text. ______________________________________________________LOVE THE SHOW? HERE ARE THE NEXT STEPS!Follow the podcast to get every bonus episode. Tap follow now and don't miss out! Rate & Review: Help others discover the show by rating the show on Apple Podcasts at https://tinyurl.com/ecb-apple-podcasts Join our Free Newsletter: https://newsletter.ecommercecoffeebreak.com/ Support The Show On Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EcommerceCoffeeBreak Partner with us: https://ecommercecoffeebreak.com/partner-with-us/
The Swatch x AP "Royal Pop" arrived after a week of generative AI fan renders, watch-Twitter speculation, and a 24-hour emotional rollercoaster from disappointment to "actually, this might be iconic." Phillip and Brian sit down with Michael Miraflor to unpack the speedrun spectacle, the high/low collab playbook, and why the purchase is just the tip of consumer participation. The Royal Pop Heard 'Round the Internet Key takeaways: AP x Swatch's collab sparked a flood of fan-prompted, generative AI images of anticipated designs The participatory economy now renders the product before the product exists “This is kind of a match made in heaven, which is why I think this is something that will sell out for a long time.” – Brian Lange “I wonder if people react differently based on everyone else's reactions” – Michael Miraflor “Purchase of the product is kind of a cap on the experience.” – Michael Miraflor In-Show Mentions: Read our 2025 Field Notes on Swatch – available to Future Commerce Plus members AP x Swatch design reveal Follow Michael Miraflor on X Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Matt Maher, founder of M7 Innovations and the thirty-fifth member of the MIT Media Lab Consortium, joins Phillip and Brian to interrogate what really happens when enterprises leap from "zero to one" to "one to a hundred" with AI. The conversation moves from the productivity paradox (studies showing AI can add 20% to completion time even as users swear it saves them work) to the human hand-off in commerce, the limits of agentic shopping, and the shrinking aperture of the internet. The big takeaway is that 2026 is the year of assessment, not aspiration. Paleolithic Brains; Medieval Infrastructure; Godlike Technology Key Takeaways AI has created a productivity paradox. Although it may feel like a magical solution that unlocks productivity and throughput, it often lengthens time to completion. Cognitive atrophy is real and happening faster than we realize. Net-new ideas still need human intuition. AI learns from and mimics existing experiences and content. The human-AI handoff should be designed for where the agent stops and identity begins, mapped across three tiers: low-emotion, middle-emotion, and high-emotion products and content. Fix your site for LLM crawlers now. Agentic checkout can wait. Key Quotes [00:06:30] "We did not have a digital information superhighway… that was zero to one. And now we are in that one to 100 moment… we snap our fingers, and we're at parity with all these capabilities." — Matt Maher [00:17:30] "It objectively takes more time. Our dopamine receptors are feeling good when we're that productive. So we'll happily take 20% more time and claim we didn't." — Matt Maher [00:23:30] "AI could literally never have created [the elevator screen] because it did not exist in the world before. It is a reduction to the mean." — Matt Maher [00:51:30] "The aperture of the internet continues to shrink, and everything becomes more personalized for each of us. If you are not in that aperture of what people see, you don't exist anymore." — Matt Maher In-Show Mentions M7 Innovations The METR study (late 2025) on AI developer time savings E.O. Wilson's The Origins of Creativity Norbert Wiener, The Human Use of Human Beings Amazon v. Perplexity lawsuit Associated Links What AI and Watchmaking Have in Common The Death of Slop and the End of Time Get STRATA by Future Commerce Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce+ for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we're witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
The funnel's compressing, content volume is exploding, and everything is quickly descending into AI slop. But the Miami heat and chilled coconut water hit just right, so everything is juuuust fine. We're unpacking our hot takes fresh out of POSSIBLE, Hyve's sprawling beachside conference at the Fontainebleau and Eden Roc resorts. Between Walmart's "Who Knew" thesis, EMARKETER's no-safe-channels reset, and Phillip's case for what it would take for POSSIBLE to rival Cannes, the team weighs what makes a conference culturally relevant and what's still missing from most experiences. Great, Now We're Drowning In Pod Slop, Too Key Takeaways: POSSIBLE's beach-party-meets-marketing-conference format makes activations feel organic, not transactional. The customer journey isn't collapsing anymore; it's compressing. Pinterest now suggests 10 posts to break through feeds. Meta wants 50. Is the new playbook all about volume and velocity, not relevancy? Walmart leverages AI in 73% of its marketing investments, but it's still hiring. POSSIBLE can only rival Cannes if or when the city itself has skin in the game. Key Quotes: [00:29:37] "People will not become comfortable with AI until it's indistinguishable." — Sarah, on the EMARKETER-led "No Safe Channels" panel [00:38:35] "Being AI first doesn't mean people last." — William White, CMO, Walmart US [00:45:25] "Ops fulfills the promise that marketing makes." — Chris Gosser [00:45:55] "Marketing's job is changing beliefs and behaviors." — Phillip, on William White's framing Associated Links: Get the post-POSSIBLE dispatch on The Senses Get our in-depth analysis of the modern conference industry Buy STRATA by Future Commerce Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
What happens when a cultural figure with 20 years in the limelight decides to become a brand operator? Adam Domian, SVP & Head of Commerce and Audience at 11:11 Media, joins Phillip and Brian to break it down. From Walmart shelves to TikTok lives, Adam shares how Paris Hilton's portfolio balances licensing cash flow with equity-driven brands like Parive, and why "founder energy" is becoming a moat in an AI-saturated marketplace, especially with someone “sliving” such a dynamic and coveted life. Commerce Is Hot Key takeaways: The licensee-licensor era is giving way to the celebrity-as-majority-owner era. US social commerce lags Asia because of consumer habits, not the technology itself. Trust travels with the person—platforms just shape the dialect. Once everyone has AI, cultural instinct becomes the differentiator. Archive footage is the new commercial inventory for legacy IP. Key Quotes: [00:14:31] "She is the same person across those platforms; it just allows us to lean further into different aspects of her life." — Adam Domian [00:19:15] "She was in the labs with the chemists from day one. [Parivie] product development took two and a half, three years." — Adam Domian [00:23:44] "We have Paris and her cultural pulse as an asset to these businesses, but 80% of it is running a traditional playbook." — Adam Domian [00:26:16] "When everybody's leveraging AI, there's a moment of parity. The humanness becomes the differentiator." — Adam Domian In-Show Mentions: 11:11 Media M13 Parivie Associated Links: Get Strata by Future Commerce Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
People will let AI be their therapist but not their partner, their assistant but not their manager. Gillian Katz of Hannah Grey VC joins Phillip and Brian to unpack the firm's newest Cultural Vibrations journal and the qualitative study behind it: a read on how people are actually negotiating AI's role in their lives, domain by domain, role by role; from anthropology to sommelier frameworks to Goodhart's Law. You Can Manage AI, but AI Can't Manage You Key Takeaways: People accept AI in almost every domain, but reject it in specific roles within them. Naming a cultural signal may be what stops it from moving. Qualitative research captures what dashboard culture flattens. The next frontier isn't the technology, it's the governance around it. Key Quotes: [00:11:04] "No one wants to be managed by a machine, but they're okay to sort of put control over one." — Gillian Katz [00:27:08] "It's exactly like the way you wish every person interacted. But if you did actually have that experience time and time again, you would be so frustrated." — Gillian Katz, on AI sycophancy [00:29:22] "We give people the benefit of the doubt, but we expect a hundred percent accuracy from AI." — Gillian Katz [00:40:56] "If you only use AI to go build your business, you're gonna lose the discernment that's required to actually use AI well in the first place." — Brian Lange In-Show Mentions: Learn more at hannahgrey.com Read the latest issue of Cultural Vibrations, featuring Brian Lange Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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She had 18 million followers, a product idea born from panic attacks, and zero paid ad spend on launch day. Within 24 hours, Hugz was sold out. Lexi Hensler built Give Hugz — a line of weighted stuffed animals designed to trigger deep pressure stimulation — by turning her own battle with anxiety into a brand now tripling sales year over year. But before Hugz existed, there was Lexi Llama: a merch line that launched a Christmas sweater one week before Christmas, promised worldwide delivery without knowing what international shipping cost, and ended with all four co-founders hand-signing apology cards at 2am. Every mistake became a blueprint. In this episode, Lexi breaks down exactly how she built a brand that now stands on its own — where customers show up having never heard of Lexi Hensler: Why she capped the Hugz launch at 3 SKUs — and how starting with 8 nearly sank her first brand The Goldilocks weight (4 pounds) and why glass beads won over rice and flaxseed (hint: mold, maggots, and microwaving) How vulnerability in content converts better than follower count — and what she told other creators who couldn't figure out why their merch wasn't selling Why all four co-founders took zero salary for years, and what that looked like day to day How she navigates the line between sharing and oversharing — including the engagement decision she almost posted and didn't Why their scrappy two-person phone shoots often outperform the ones with a full professional crew Hugz donates 10% of every purchase to mental health charities — and Lexi has personally visited every partner organization they've worked with. This is the story of getting it wrong first, and building something that outlasts you because of it. Start Your Free Shopify Trial: https://utm.io/yt_podcast_trial SUBSCRIBE to our Youtube channel for more video episodes: https://utm.io/uhw53 For more on Hugz: https://www.shopify.com/blog/hugz-creator-led-mental-health-brand?utm_campaign=shopifymasters&utm_medium=youtube&utm_source=podcast Subscribe and watch Shopify Masters on YouTube!Sign up for your FREE Shopify Trial here.
"There will be a lot fewer people employed doing existing work in not just insurance, but in all business." Phillip reports from the press pool at Semafor World Economy 2026, where 500 CEOs, a quarter of the US Senate, and 20 G20 finance ministers spent two days in Washington DC sketching out the next decade. Inside: why the AI race is really the electricity race (and why we may have already lost it to China), the $10 trillion and 250 gigawatts Meta says AGI will cost, Senator Mark Kelly on the new commercial space economy, Levi's 50% DTC milestone, Ralph Lauren's experience-economy flex, and why Balzac saw the "exterminator economy" coming 200 years ago. Plus: white smoke from Apple Park. Key Takeaways: Space is getting a concentric-circle economy. NASA hands low-Earth orbit to private industry; the moon is next; Mars is the horizon. Sen. Mark Kelly laid out the vision at Semafor. AGI has a price tag, and it's $10T. Meta's Dina Powell McCormick framed the path forward: trillions in capital, 250GW of power, and geopolitical fallout to match. The AI race is actually the electricity race — and the US lost it five years ago. Chips and lithography aren't the bottleneck. Power is, and China builds more in a year than the US builds in a decade. NIMBY has evolved into BANANA. Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone is the new posture from Virginia to Maine, and the quiet threat to American AI competitiveness. The heritage brand isn't dead; it just needs a thesis. Levi's built a three-layer AI framework — process, product, people — and is posting 16 consecutive quarters of DTC growth to prove the strategy works. Everyone's becoming an exterminator. The age of sovereignty is producing a wave of DIY micro-entrepreneurs using ChatGPT as their back office. Every job AI takes, it seems to hand back, just in a flat-brimmed hat. The American consumer is less bearish than the algorithm suggests. Ralph Lauren, Kickstarter, and Chime all reported data at odds with recession narratives. Spending is healthy, savings are up, and creators are launching. In-Show Mentions: The Commerce Department is a hedge fund now Dispatch from Semafor: Pritzker on what beats fear [POLICY BRIEF] The Halo Effect of the New Economy Future Commerce Podcast: Marcus Collins Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Furniture.com is a new kind of furniture marketplace: a single platform aggregating more than 3 million SKUs from 80+ retail partners, using standardized data and AI-powered personalization to replace the 15-hour odyssey most shoppers endure. VP of Brand & Creative Olivia Hnatyshin joins Phillip and Brian to unpack how the team is rebuilding the third-most expensive purchase of a person's life – one where hunter green and forest green finally mean the same thing. Building the Zillow of Furniture, One Couch At A Time Key Takeaways: Buying furniture is the third most expensive purchase a person makes, after a car or a home. 83% of furniture shoppers start online; 73% of searches are non-branded. Shoppers spend an average of 15+ hours across 4+ retailers before buying a single sofa. Data standardization is the real unlock for the category. Verticalized, purpose-built AI beats general chatbots when the stakes are high. Key Quotes: [00:07:20] "It's not really a discovery problem. It's a systems problem. The industry hasn't caught up to how people are actually shopping." - Olivia [00:18:50] "When you stop trusting the system's recommendations because they're going to be guided by advertising, you stop believing there's a real curation based on your tastes and your needs." - Phillip [00:19:45] "We're doing one thing and we wanna do it really, really well. That gives us the advantage because we're not trying to build for a bunch of other retail streams." - Olivia [00:35:50] "We're moving away from search entirely. It really is more about expressing intent and having that intent met instantly and accurately." - Olivia Associated Links: Shop on Furniture.com Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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What happens when the product that made you famous starts holding you back? Kevin Gould co-founded Glamnetic in 2019 with Ann McFerran, launching a magnetic eyelash brand that exploded from $1 million to $50 million in revenue in just one year — fueled by a great product, smart growth marketing, and the COVID-era boom in DIY beauty. But when the tailwinds reversed — iOS 14 updates sent acquisition costs soaring, the lash category contracted, and revenue dipped 25% — Kevin faced a make-or-break decision. Rather than doubling down on what was declining, he pivoted the entire business into press-on nails, a category still in its infancy. Today, Glamnetic is one of the largest press-on nail brands in the world, doing over $100 million a year. In this episode, Kevin gets real about the unglamorous side of hypergrowth: the cash flow crunches that come with scaling too fast, the inventory mistakes that haunt you, and the emotional toll of watching revenue fall when you expected it to double. He shares how he and his team navigated the pivot, why community and brand affinity will always outlast paid acquisition, and why the best advice he can give founders is: don't grow too fast. You'll learn: Why going from $1M to $50M overnight nearly broke the business How to manage cash flow and inventory when you're self-funded The marketing mix that built a real brand — not just an ad machine Why TikTok Shop is the biggest arbitrage opportunity right now How a 40,000-member Facebook community doubles as a product development engine The one hire every founder should prioritize early on What it really takes — personally and professionally — to turn a pivot into a $100M business Subscribe and watch Shopify Masters on YouTube!Sign up for your FREE Shopify Trial here.
Evelyn Mora, founder and CEO of VLGE, joins Phillip and Brian to challenge how we think about AI training data, brand identity, and the coming era of individual-first commerce. We move from the mechanics of world modeling to the cultural philosophy of what it means for brands to let go, adapt, and become an ingredient rather than the star of the show. PLUS: Strata Volume 001 is available for purchase now! Key Takeaways: Good AI agents are trained on embodied, human data, not synthetic simulations. Brands' training data pipelines will become their most competitive IP. The "personal economy" is shifting commerce from generational boxes to radical individuality. Brands must become an adaptable story that's recognizable but infinitely mixable. The future of AI is expensive. Data sovereignty and consent economics are coming. Key Quotes: [00:06:46] "A good agent would know my budget, my personality, my preferences." — Evelyn Mora [00:21:08] "When you have humans going and playing and reacting with their free will and their freedom and their personality and identity... that to me is the ultimate high signal data." — Evelyn Mora [00:40:06] "Brands should kind of evolve into these different mediums... into a flavor that can really be mixed into everyone's lives." — Evelyn Mora [00:53:54] "In this agent Hunger Games, it really does matter how you train and what kind of training data you capture." — Evelyn Mora Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Two recent college grads turned a dorm room pistachio recipe into a fast-growing food brand—by letting their community call the shots. Nicola Buffo and Francine Voit, co-founders of Pistakio, share how they pivoted from pistachio mayo to a sweet pistachio spread one week before their first big grocery pitch, built a loyal following on social media because a college professor forced them to start posting, and turned customer DMs into their best-selling products—including their crunchy spread and date bark. In this episode, Nico and Fran talk about: How a last-minute product pivot landed them in Portland's biggest local retailer Why they said no to Shark Tank and Target before they were ready How community-led product development drove 10x growth Building a brand in public from day one (even with terrible dorm room lighting) The café tour strategy that gets customers to try the product risk-free Navigating a business partnership that's also a romantic relationship The $20,000 TikTok agency mistake and what they learned from it Why taste—not health trends—is their only non-negotiable Whether you're starting a food business, looking for community-driven marketing strategies, or figuring out when to say no to big opportunities, this episode is packed with real talk and actionable advice for ecommerce entrepreneurs. For more on Pistakio and show notes click here: https://www.shopify.com/blog/pistakio-community-led-product-development?utm_campaign=shopifymasters&utm_medium=youtube&utm_source=podcast SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel for more video episodes: https://utm.io/uhw53 Subscribe and watch Shopify Masters on YouTube!Sign up for your FREE Shopify Trial here.
How does a 76-year-old legacy retailer reinvent itself as a tech-powered ecosystem? Lisa Horton, Chief Communications & Creative Officer at David's Bridal, dishes on the company's grand modernization and how they've expanded to accommodate the next generation's Gen-Z-sized aspirations. Here Comes the Algorithm Key takeaways: David's Bridal's "Aisle to Algorithm" pivot puts AI at the center of everything — from merchandising to internal communications. The Style Squad ambassador program bridges employee creators ("Dream Makers") and external influencers, offering the most aggressive affiliate commission in retail at 20%. David's captures 90% of brides who enter their ecosystem — a first-party data advantage few retailers can match. The definition of "influencer" is broadening: word of mouth is influence, and everyone is influential. David's is building beyond bridal — eyeing the post-wedding household, where the majority of purchase decisions are made. [00:00:54] "We're basically a startup inside of a 76-year-old retailer." - Lisa Horton [00:12:09] "We have shifted in the last 12 months from being a legacy retailer to a 360 degree wedding planning ecosystem." - Lisa Horton [00:13:12] "Word of mouth is influence. And everyone is influential." - Lisa Horton [00:22:06] "Everything that we do moving forward is always going to come from a place of how do we mitigate her stress? How do we make her feel excited and seen and celebratory in every moment." - Lisa Horton Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Recorded live on the Shoptalk Spring show floor, Phillip and Alicia sit down with Leah Logan, VP of Retail Media Transformation for Inmar Intelligence, and Andrew Lipsman, Founder & Chief Analyst at Media, Ads + Commerce, fresh off a spirited on-stage debate about agentic commerce. We debunk AI Traffic Apocalypse predictions and make the case for creators as a critical yet overlooked retail media channel. The AIpocalypse, Explained Key takeaways: AI referral traffic currently accounts for just 0.1–2% of retailer traffic; it has also led to eCommerce site traffic growth, not decline. Consumer intent data, not bottom-funnel ads, is where LLM advertising will find its footing. Creators are a media channel that predates the hype, and the measurement has been there for years. Retail media's growth depends on graduating from ROAS to incrementality — the sooner, the better. [00:11:08] "The next big trend already exists. People just haven't really wrapped their heads around it yet." — Andrew Lipsman [00:26:09] "We have to stop looking at CPMs and start looking at investments." — Leah Logan In-Show Mentions: Retail Confessions Podcast Buy STRATA Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube See our in-depth analysis of Shoptalk's theme: “Retail in the Age of AI” Read our post-event digest in The Senses Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Recorded live at Shoptalk, Phillip and Brian sit down with Heather Rivera, Chief Business Officer at Wing (an Alphabet company), to talk about how Wing has crafted our five-minute delivery future. Spoiler: the novelty of drones wearing off might be the best thing that ever happened to the industry. Building the Drone While We're Flying It Key takeaways: Wing's fastest recorded delivery: 2 minutes, 37 seconds. Average is under five minutes. 25% of Wing customers order three times a week – habit, not novelty. Wing just announced its largest residential drone delivery expansion yet, with Walmart, covering 270+ store locations. ~70% of Walmart SKUs fit in Wing's current delivery box – roughly 50,000 products. Wing recently doubled its payload capacity from 2.5 lbs to 5 lbs, opening new SKU and category possibilities. [00:20:39] "I want this technology to become unremarkable for people because it just becomes part of the way they go about their lives." – Heather Rivera [00:13:09] "I predict there's gonna be whole sets of new companies that design existing products to fit into the five pound baskets." – Brian Associated Links: Get STRATA Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Recording LIVE from the show floor of Shoptalk Spring 2026, the Future Commerce team brings our hottest takes and deepest insights from this year's event. PLUS: We celebrated the launch of our newest zine, STRATA Vol. 001, with over 150 of our favorite people (including Snoop Dogg?). Get your copy at futurecommerce.com/strata. Our Week In the STRATAsphere Key takeaways: AI was the headline theme, but the humanity angle landed harder with attendees. In-booth content creation has become the industry standard; Future Commerce pioneered it in 2017. FedEx's Jason Brenner reframed logistics as a brand trust moment, not just a last mile. Victoria's Secret CEO Hillary Super showed what vision-led turnarounds actually look like. Curious people will always find leverage. AI just multiplies what they were already doing. “Maybe by this time next year, we will see OpenClaw-specific agencies on the show floor.” – Phillip "If you're inherently curious and someone who likes to problem solve...AI is gonna help you, totally, without a doubt." – Alicia In-Show Mentions: Get STRATA FedEx: Same-Day Local Subscribe to catch our full recap on Insiders Associated Links: See more post-show coverage in The Senses Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Armand Wilson, Chief Revenue Officer at Whatnot, joins Phillip and Brian to unpack why live shopping finally took hold in the West. Drawing from Whatnot's recent 2026 State of Live Selling Report, we trace the platform's origin from a niche Funko Pop marketplace to an $8B GMV juggernaut after landing $225 million in Series F funding. Main Street Went Live Key Takeaways: The barrier to entry for live selling is far lower than traditional eCommerce. 80% of Whatnot buyers return the following month, compared with approximately 30% in traditional eCommerce. Live selling lets brands tell their story in ways a static product page never can. Whatnot raised $225M in Series F; the platform did $8B in GMV last year. Live commerce is quietly revitalizing small businesses and local brick-and-mortar. Key Quotes: [00:09:00] "It's clienteling in almost a digital way, blurring the line between parasocial relationship and actual relationship between seller and buyer." — Brian Lange [00:12:00] "It could cost you a hundred thousand dollars to open up a comic bookshop. It costs you $0 to open up a comic bookshop on Whatnot." — Armand Wilson [00:31:45] "It's really hard to tell your story in an authentic way when you're just telling it on a couple of lines of text on a product page." — Armand Wilson [00:41:30] "80% of our customers come back the next month, whereas traditional eCommerce is, on average, maybe 30%." — Armand Wilson In-Show Mentions: Whatnot's State of Live Selling Report Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
What makes someone pay more for the same product? That question sits at the heart of this episode. In this wide-ranging conversation, Salena and Matt dive into what separates a premium brand from a commodity business, why experience matters just as much as the product, and how smart retailers use positioning to make price feel justified. They also explore something most people avoid talking about: the emotional baggage around money. Especially for founders who grew up believing rich people were greedy, charging more can feel uncomfortable, even when the business and the customer experience support it. This episode covers: Why customer experience is your real competitive edge How price anchoring changes the way people perceive value Why premium brands performed better when consumer spending tightened What retailers can learn from Apple's in-store experience How to hire people who buy into the brand, not just the paycheck Why your team does not need to think like a founder How mission makes it easier for staff to stay engaged Why making more money gives you more choices and more impact Key Takeaways Customers do not buy features first. They buy solutions in their own language. The same product can command a higher price when the buying experience is easier, faster, or more complete. Price anchoring works because the first number customers see becomes their mental benchmark. Premium does not mean luxury. It means there is a clear reason your offer is worth more. Founders need teams who align with the vision, not clones who think exactly like them. Hiring for culture and values matters just as much as skill in many roles. Money without mission feels hollow. Mission without money struggles to survive. ---- This episode originally aired as a guest conversation on The eCommerce Podcast with Matt Edmundson. Matt asks sharp questions, cuts through fluff, and brings on guests who actually know what they're talking about. You can check out his show here: https://www.ecommerce-podcast.com/
Zia Daniell Wigder, Global President of Shoptalk and Groceryshop, joins Brian and Alicia to mark Shoptalk's 10th anniversary and unpack the themes defining the spring show in Las Vegas. (Hint: AI isn't the headline, it's the backdrop.) A week before one of retail's biggest, most beloved shows, Zia maps the tensions, the conversations, and the hot topics shaping the next era of retail events. The More We Automate, the More We Meet Key Takeaways: AI is the backdrop to retail in 2026, but it's not the whole story As AI scales, in-person human connection becomes more valuable, not less Shoptalk curates its agenda top-down, then finds the speakers to match; it's about bringing buzz brands, heritage retailers, and influential platforms together In the US, social commerce is still in its early days, which means it's still incredibly underestimated; brand leaders will share their lessons and best practices on stage during tactical workshops for the first time Creator-brand relationships work better when brands let go of the brief Key Quotes: [00:05:00] "In-person human connections are even more important today than they have been in the past, because we have all of this operational efficiency, all of this streamlining and optimization happening in the background in some cases, taking away some of the interactions we might've had before." — Zia Daniell Wigder [00:11:52] "You've got the huge champions that say yes, [AI] is going to change everything about the world of product discovery as we know it. And then you've got the other side saying, this is way over-hyped." — Zia Daniell Wigder [00:23:01] "Brands aren't necessarily asking about [social commerce] per se, but it almost feels like they should be." — Zia Daniell Wigder [00:24:04] "Brands are still having briefs shoved at [creators] and telling them what they should be doing, as opposed to working with them in a more collaborative way." — Zia Daniell Wigder In-Show Mentions: Shoptalk Spring 2026 – March, Las Vegas POSSIBLE – April, Miami Groceryshop – September, Las Vegas Manifest – February 2027, Las Vegas Associated Links: Visit Future Commerce's Shoptalk hub to see what's happening during the show Apply to attend our After Dark celebration of STRATA Vol. 001, our newest zine Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
As ChatGPT pulls back on native in-app checkout, malls becomemainstream again. Is agentic commerce ready for primetime, or are consumers seeking more analog experiences? PLUS: Dick's Sporting Goods' loyalty loop that turns steps into spending power, and a dystopian new platform that rents out humans for AI agents that can't operate in the physical world. Everything old is new again. Granny's Favorite Store Goes to TikTok Shop Key takeaways: ChatGPT is stepping back from native in-app checkout, but the commerce protocol it built with Stripe lives on 77% of shoppers prefer clicking through to a website over buying directly via AI The mall remains a societal favorite third space, even as stores become shoppable content studios (just ask John Lewis) Dick's Sporting Goods' movement-linked rewards program is quietly building one of retail's stickiest loyalty ecosystems, making it a viable competitor to AI apps "Rent-a-Human" platforms signal a strange new frontier: AI agents outsourcing tasks to people in “meatspace” In-Show Mentions: How 2,000 consumers used AI to shop Gen Z Is Going to the Mall Again — WSJ Rent-a-Human Join us at Shoptalk Spring 2026! Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Phillip and Brian get deep on a week when everything felt a little unhinged: Shopify's AI sidekick started building custom apps, Iran allegedly took out AWS data centers mid-Claude-outage, and the McDonald's CEO went mega-viral just days after Phillip prophesied it. Underneath the chaos, a throughline emerges: the things we've used to measure value (view counts, credit card rewards, third-party apps, and AI contracts) are quietly expiring. Culture is first. Then comes commerce. This SKU Is Delicious Key takeaways: Shopify Sidekick can now build one-off apps on demand, raising real questions about the future of third-party SaaS. AI geopolitics is here: data centers are now strategic infrastructure, and the "human in the loop" question has military stakes. Meta's move to invoicing ends years of free credit card rewards for brands running paid social, — and that party's been winding down anyway. MrBeast's long-form view counts are down 50% YoY, even with heavy paid promotion; the algorithm has shifted to interest-based, not subscriber-based. Media buyers optimizing for CPMs are chasing non-real traffic. — Rrecovering a sense of propriety is the only way back. In-Show Mentions: How MrBeast Dominated 2025 Using Advertising Phillip's Big Arch burger virality prediction Get on the list for the Future Commerce x Shoptalk After Party Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
We're live and poolside at the close of eTail Palm Springs. This year's conference brought less theory and more proof, from agentic platforms doing actual operational work to the quiet rise of go-to-market tooling among merchants. One thing is clear: AI stopped talking and started shipping. Brian and Phillip break down the sessions, hallway conversations, and briefings that mattered most, and dive into their marathon week of discussions with companies including CommerceIQ, Attentive, Resolve AI, Decile, Modem, and more. The Year AI Stopped Talking and Started Working Key takeaways: Agentic AI is operational now. Platforms like CommerceIQ are replacing FTE-style workflows, running around the clock, and proactively surfacing insights. Context is everything… and most native AI tools don't have it. In-tool AI using synthetic or siloed data is producing unreliable outputs. The winning stack integrates across all data sources. CRM is mainstream; go-to-market tooling is emerging. Merchants are now using tools like Clay, a tool built for B2B sales prospecting, to find creators, influencers, and strategic partners. Clienteling looks different when repurchase cycles are a decade long. Brands like Ernesta (custom rugs) and GHD (hairstyling tools) are rethinking loyalty and relationship-building without the luxury of frequent transactions. "Consolidation is power." Whoever consolidates information, tasks, and systems the best will hold the advantage, both in business and in AI. Quotes: [00:20:15] "The marketing agent is looking for a segmentation issue... high CAC and low LTV. Those are things that, as an organization, you'd have to surface, invest in, create segments, create a dashboard — and then bother to look at." — Phillip [00:37:38] "The job of the RFP responder is the same as the code developer. They become a shepherd and a reviewer rather than a writer." — Brian [00:48:03] "What do we lose when we eliminate the mundane?" — Brian [00:51:09] "In the next six months, AI is going to own entire workflows without any human intervention." — George Davis, CMO of Cozy Earth (as quoted by Phillip) In-Show Mentions: Listen to Kristin Flor Perret's episode on Future Commerce Get on the list for our ShopTalk Spring After Party Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Jonathan Cohen, CMO of Onyx Global Group (Pure Daily Care & Aquasonic), joins Phillip and Alicia to trace the arc from Amazon-first launches to TikTok Shop dominance. This week, we unpack the unmeasurable and explore what it actually means to cede your marketing playbook to a creator economy that doesn't need your permission. Control Is Overrated, Anyway Key Takeaways Creators are the new CMOs. Brands don't cascade strategy; creators build their own. Amazon reviews are still currency. Early investment in social proof compounds over the years. Sampling is a long game. Expect results two to three months out, not just the week of Black Friday. TikTok Live provides free focus groups. Real-time customer feedback can greenlight a new product line and unlock new growth opportunities. You can't dashboard everything. The brands with staying power are building habits, not just conversions. "The creators are our mini CMOs. They build their own marketing plans, their own talking points, their own strategies to sell our products." — Jonathan Cohen [00:22:08] "We have cut checks for tens of thousands of dollars to creators we've never spoken to before." — Jonathan Cohen [00:22:07] "If you brush your teeth, you're an Aquasonic potential customer." — Jonathan Cohen [00:45:28] "You're building habits. And there's no better investment in brand than that — because those habits stick with them a lot longer than the ad dollar you spent to get them there." — Phillip Jackson [00:47:50] Associated Links: Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
In just one year, Daily Harvest was acquired by Chobani, dropped its subscription requirement, and launched a campaign calling out the wellness hype machine. CEO Ricky Silver joins us to talk about the facts in an industry dominated by fiction. Selling Food, Not Fiction Key takeaways: The wellness hype machine is exhausting consumers. Daily Harvest's "Eat Food, Not Fiction" is its counter-punch. Subscription was a business convenience, not a consumer demand, and removing the gate unlocked growth. Consumer sovereignty and business autonomy are in tension with one another. The brands that resolve it will win. LLMs are the new discovery layer. Brands must build authoritative, trusted ecosystems to surface in AI answers. Fixing the food system requires collectivism, even with rivals. "Some of our best consumers were the ones who engaged with the skipping function. Active management meant they were finding the right cadence for them." — Ricky Silver "Connection is a motive. It is not tech-driven — even if technology is the thing bringing us together." — Ricky Silver Associated Links: Learn more about Daily Harvest Catch up on Future Commerce's 2026 predictions Check out Future Commerce on YouTube Check out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and print Subscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce world Listen to our other episodes of Future Commerce Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Most Super Bowl ads failed before they aired. Dr. Marcus Collins explains why. We break down the Super Bowl as a cultural spectacle: the ads, the Bad Bunny halftime show, and the Levi's strategy that no one is talking about.Key takeaways:Why Marcus felt bad for every marketer who ran a Super Bowl ad this yearThe Lay's ad was beautiful. Marcus saw a father handing his daughter a lifetime of debt.How Levi's turned a 30-second spot, a stadium, a popup, and a halftime show into one integrated play"This is not a 32-second ad. This is a constellation of nodes that together tell the story only Levi's could."What Anthropic understood about the group chat that OpenAI and Google missedBad Bunny performed for 120 million viewers at home, not the 70,000 in the stadium, and that was the pointAssociated Links:Follow From the Culture, hosted by Dr. Marcus Collins and Amanda SlavinBuy For the Culture on AmazonCheck out Future Commerce on YouTubeCheck out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and printSubscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce worldListen to our other episodes of Future CommerceHave any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
LIVE from Manifest 2026: Shipium CEO Jason Murray reveals why AI transformation isn't about making old processes faster but fundamentally rethinking workflows. From turning three-day analytics tasks into minutes with Orca to exploring adjacent areas such as auditing and consulting, Phillip, Brian, and Jason unpack how domain-specific AI creates competitive moats in an era when traditional advantages are dissolving.Some Kid In His Dorm Room Is Coming For Your CompanyKey takeaways:AI works when you rethink workflows, not optimize existing onesDomain-specific AI beats general LLMs through context and reduced hallucinationsSpeed of experimentation matters more than prediction accuracy aloneAdjacent spaces, like auditing, are now accessible through AI-powered digital twinsTraditional moats are dissolving; data and ecosystem relationships become keyIn-Show Mentions:Learn more about ShipiumLearn more about ManifestAssociated Links:Check out Future Commerce on YouTubeCheck out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and printSubscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce worldListen to our other episodes of Future CommerceHave any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Join us at SoCom 2026, the Social Commerce Conference. February 26 in Venice Beach and save 20% with code FCSC2026Damon Berger, Head of Consumer Digital Engagement at Gap Inc., joins the show to share the strategy behind the brand's comeback. He unpacks the playbook for rebuilding an iconic brand, why it worked for Barbie, and why creator capital is the new north star. Plus, he reveals how Gap moved from "chasing relevance” to driving it, and why brand distinction is the new survival strategy against the sea of AI slop.Gap is Back, Baby.Key Takeaways:Creators are the cultural conduit, building conversational capital through authentic audience relationshipsGap's KATSEYE campaign sparked participation, not just viewership, enabling fans to own the momentPurpose-driven brands live their values quietly rather than preaching them publiclyBrand distinction becomes a survival strategy when 50% of internet traffic is botsGet Blue partnership scales Gap's influence to address global water access for 200M peopleDamon Berger [03:33]: "Creators are the conduit to what is kind of cool out in the world...the idea for us is that we have a variety of relationships with them."Damon Berger [12:14]: "That was really why one of the reasons that it was so popular and shared and viral...people started taking that video and doing all their own dances and doing their own interpretations to it and expressing themselves and joining a larger conversation."Damon Berger [15:14]: "We were just being ourselves. We were just living our own brand values, where we believe in the value of diverse voices. We believe in people being themselves no matter what."Damon Berger [29:26]: "In the sea of sameness and the sea of AI slop and all of these worlds of not really knowing who you're buying from…[brand distinction] is what people care about, and that's how we've won over the last couple of years."In-Show Mentions:Gap's "Better in Denim" Campaign - Viral campaign featuring "Milkshake" by KelisGet Blue Initiative - Partnership with Gap Inc., Amazon, Starbucks, and EcolabAssociated Links:Check out Future Commerce on YouTubeCheck out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and printSubscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce worldListen to our other episodes of Future CommerceHave any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Andrew McLuhan (The McLuhan Institute) and Paulo Ferreira (co-founder, Barrons Brand Publishing) join us to dissect the seismic shift from persuasion to publication. As institutions crumble and audiences demand transparency, brands are discovering they don't need platforms—they need publishing strategies. From Brazil's brand publishing revolution to venture capital as the ultimate gamble, this conversation explores how commerce and culture collapse into a single, trust-driven narrative where every brand becomes its own campfire.Content Is Dethroned, Context Is KingKey Takeaways:Brands must shift from persuasive advertising to informational publishingBrand publishing empowers direct audience relationships, cutting out middlemenContext and transparency build trust, but objectivity is increasingly seen as a mythWell-informed consumers strengthen brands, while fear of knowledge signals weaknessStorytelling is the new sales department and remixability drives cultural powerKey Quotes:"A good brand doesn't fear a well-informed client. A good brand wants a well-informed client." — Paulo Ferreira [00:58:52]"With our new media, people have the freedom to find it themselves. Brands are becoming their own campfires, allowing people to crowd around and exchange stories." — Andrew McLuhan [00:10:11]"‘The medium is the message' was telling radio people to calm down about TV. Being obsolete doesn't mean death, it means rebirth." — Andrew McLuhan [00:23:53]"Trust is built through transparency. The scroll is infinite now. The stakes have never been higher for laying our cards on the table." — Andrew McLuhan [01:00:22]Associated Links:Learn more about The McLuhan InstituteLearn more about Barrons Brand PublishingCheck out Future Commerce on YouTubeCheck out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and printSubscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce worldListen to our other episodes of Future CommerceHave any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Theory meets tarmac. Sushmitha "Sushi" Radhakrishnan runs finance and operations at Birddogs, the men's apparel brand born from a Shark Tank moment that's now selling through Dick's Sporting Goods. She breaks down what cash flow actually looks like when summer—not holidays—is your Super Bowl, tariffs hit mid-growth, and every trend cycle could make or break a season.Key takeaways:Seasonal brands need capital access during revenue troughs, not just peaksMulti-channel operations demand different buying cycles—wholesale plans months ahead while DTC converts in hoursSpeed separates winners in apparel—trends change faster than traditional finance approval loopsSmall teams need executive-level spend control with rapid scalability for growth momentsKey Quotes:Sushi Radhakrishnan [00:14:49]: "Because we are a seasonal business, having access to credit cards like a Brex where we have charge cards—in those situations when we're in our cash flow troughs, having that extra flexibility is really critical to us. There's a six month period where we have to have really good months because that's what funds the business in the lower months."Sushi Radhakrishnan [00:20:28]: "This is my first foray into apparel and selling it online and trends change so quickly. A winning product—it's definitely a very dynamic environment to operate in."Sushi Radhakrishnan [00:18:12]: "We move really fast. Getting that feedback loop shortened is really important when we're managing cash. That's been refreshing with Brex—the support we're getting from a credit card provider. I don't have that same level of one on one service with American Express."Sushi Radhakrishnan [00:23:22]: "People buy apparel based on emotion, not just because they see it come across their Instagram reel. It's really important that we continue to appeal to our buyers in a way that's more than just selling the value prop of our product."Associated Links:Learn more about BrexLearn more about MelioCheck out Future Commerce on YouTubeCheck out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and printSubscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce worldListen to our other episodes of Future CommerceHave any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
The old retail calendar is dead. Between TikTok virality, celebrity sightings, and ChatGPT-powered discovery, brands face a new reality: commerce runs on culture's clock. Nicole Thomas (Brex) and Anand Mehta (Melio) break down how this shift from predictable peaks to perpetual possibility demands radical financial agility.Key takeaways:Retail shifted from twice-yearly peaks to monthly cultural spikes brands can't predictCash conversion cycle reveals hidden supplier payment leverage beyond inventory optimizationCredit card float extends working capital without compounding traditional loan debtLiquidity separates trend leaders from trend chasers regardless of business sizeKey Quotes:Nicole Thomas [00:06:27]: "Seasonality is kind of taking shape in the way that it's less of like these ebbs and flows maybe twice a year to maybe once a month. If your product goes viral or if a celebrity endorses something, your consumers are now expecting to get those products when they want it."Anand Mehta [00:22:17]: "Costco managed to have a very low, if not negative cash conversion cycle because their store is the warehouse. They've already sold and converted their inventory to cash before they even have to pay it out."Nicole Thomas [00:37:06]: "Commerce is definitely making a big shift to flattening out, but not flattening out enough to where you can actually predict those peaks and valleys. We're definitely shifting from a calendar economy to more of a cultural economy."Anand Mehta [00:32:14]: "This use case of extending cash flow isn't just for businesses who are struggling. If you're a brand that is very liquid, having that cash buffer allows you to be a brand that's jumping in on a trend in the early stages of the trend, not chasing a trend."In-Show Mentions:Learn more about BrexLearn more about MelioCheck out Future Commerce on YouTubeCheck out Future Commerce+ for exclusive content and save on merch and printSubscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce worldListen to our other episodes of Future CommerceHave any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Cash flow isn't just spreadsheets—it's survival. In an era of tariffs, currency swings, and supply chain whiplash, small businesses face a paradox: grow fast while everything shifts beneath you. Corinne Boonstra (Brex) and Aharon Naveen (Melio) unpack how payment independence becomes the ultimate competitive advantage.Key takeaways:Tariff volatility forces brands to message consumers directly about pricing pressuresSmall businesses gain agility advantage by switching suppliers faster than competitorsPayment independence decouples cash flow from vendor relationship power dynamicsTechnology stacks need finance-novice friendliness, not just CFO sophisticationKey Quotes:Corinne Boonstra [00:08:11]: "Brands are having to reach out to their consumer base to communicate with them why prices are increasing or using that as kind of a pivotal point of, say, buy these goods now while they're this price."Aharon Naveen [00:12:06]: "Switching vendors is complex. It comes with an operational overhead of different net terms, different currency conversions, different shipping time, different payment acceptance."Aharon Naveen [00:19:45]: "Giving the control back to small business, putting them in a position that they can overcome the relationship dynamic or the power dynamic of a new vendor—that is what technology brings to play."Corinne Boonstra [00:23:10]: "These tools need to be able to be leveraged by your CMO, your head of digital, your founder—whoever is ultimately making these decisions might not have an accounting background."Associated Links:Learn more about BrexLearn more about MelioCheck out Future Commerce on YouTubeCheck out Future Commerce+ for exclusive content and save on merch and printSubscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce worldListen to our other episodes of Future CommerceHave any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
CEO of Optimove, Pini Yakuel, returns to explore the roots of positionless thinking and how AI pushes us to visionary methods over specialization. We explore how breaking departmental siloes unlocks 88% faster campaign cycles, and why a refreshed mindset will be your strongest tool in 2026.Key takeaways:Positionless marketing drove 88% campaign efficiency gains in 2025AI accelerates range; humans provide judgment and validation70% of consumers unsubscribed from 3+ brands in 3 monthsMindset change precedes technology adoption in successful AI integrationKey Quotes:[00:09:20] "The biggest compliment you get is something called ‘rosh gadol'...It means, I want your head to think about more things than it's currently thinking.” – Pini Yakuel[00:21:26] "Consumption and making decisions are the work. If you can't make decisions for yourself, you can't work with AI." – Brian Lange[00:28:44] "We have access to knowledge on every field...we have the best personal tutor in our pockets available 24 over seven." – Pini Yakuel[00:38:10] "It's very, very difficult to scale personalization. That's the bottom line. It's almost impossible to scale it." – Pini YakuelIn-Show Mentions:Optimove Connect (March 2026)Optimove + Forrester Study: Closing the Gap Between Promise and PerformanceOptimove Marketing Fatigue ReportAssociated Links:Check out Future Commerce on YouTubeCheck out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and printSubscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce worldListen to our other episodes of Future CommerceHave any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Fresh from the Javits Center, Phillip, Brian, and Alicia unpack NRF 2026's dominant themes, from AI's omnipresence to its curiously low adoption among the very professionals championing it. The conversation moves beyond technology theater to explore what truly drives commerce: cultural connection, intentional brand heritage, and multiplayer engagement that treats customers as collaborators rather than data points.2026 Brought Us An AI Wake-Up CallKey Takeaways:AI saturation at NRF contrasts sharply with minimal executive adoptionSuccessful AI integration preserves brand heritage rather than replacing itMultiplayer brand engagement becomes reality through tools like Taco Bell's Fan StyleplatformAnalog intimacy resurfaces as consumers fight against digital fatigue"Who here has used AI to search for a product that you would like to buy? Not a single hand went up. Three out of 300 people had used ChatGPT to search for anything." — Phillip"The point isn't the technology. The point is building a memorable experience that connects people to people." — Brian (referencing Taco Bell's Dane Matthews)"How do you take a brand that is as beloved and known for being a merchant and design-led company and use technology in a way to just add to it and not try to over modernize it?" — Alicia (on Ralph Lauren's approach)"Maybe people are just figuring out where they want their time and how they want to spend their time... getting back to our roots through things like mahjong, board games, and very simplified intimate spaces." — AliciaIn-Show Mentions:Future Commerce Holiday AI Report, produced in partnership with CimulateMore details from NRF 2026Our official recap of Phillip's conversation with Dane MathewsShop Future Commerce's Multiplayer Brand bookAssociated Links:Check out Future Commerce on YouTubeCheck out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and printSubscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce worldListen to our other episodes of Future CommerceHave any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
The future of commerce hinges on agility, but most brands remain stuck at spreadsheet speed. Louis Camassa, Director of Product Management at Rithum, breaks down findings from the 2026 Commerce Readiness Index and reveals why data quality, inventory latency, and algorithmic visibility matter more than channel expansion. We're uncovering the infrastructure bottlenecks threatening AI's potential, and what it actually takes for brands to compete when algorithms decide what gets discovered.Your 2026 Resolution: Get UnstuckKey takeaways:63% of commerce teams face data quality issues affecting business decisionsInventory latency remains a competitive differentiator in agentic commerce experiencesZero-click phenomenon reducing referral traffic by 9% across e-commerce channelsAI compute costs compressed 10x in one year, matching traditional searchEnergy infrastructure, not algorithms, poses the greatest bottleneck to AI advancementKey Quotes:[00:02:04] Lou Camassa: "Most companies, whether you're a retailer or brand, you're moving at spreadsheet speed. That's just not the way of the future."[00:10:55] Lou Camassa: "We don't want to take from the past and just push it into the future. When we go into a chat experience, we don't want to drop somebody onto a homepage with a banner and categories. Let's think about this differently."[00:18:58] Lou Camassa: "We're seeing drops of about 9% across e-commerce in general on referral sources from Google because data is just being propagated in the AI overviews."[00:24:04] Lou Camassa: "Inventory latency is going to be a big game changer. It helps us get faster shipping and creates a competitive factor, specifically in LLM search, where everything else is commoditized."Associated Links:Check out Rithum's 2026 Commerce Readiness IndexLearn more about Rithum's offerings.Check out Future Commerce on YouTubeCheck out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and printSubscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce worldListen to our other episodes of Future CommerceHave any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Shipping frozen premium meats and prepared meals requires precise logistics that most marketplaces aren't built to handle. But Denys Gorbatiuk saw an opportunity where others saw impossible complexity. Grumpy Butcher became Temu's first frozen food seller and proved that operational excellence can break down expansion barriers and create a competitive advantage.Within five weeks, Temu accounted for over 12% of Grumpy Butcher's online sales. Yet the real story isn't just about velocity, it's about reaching younger demographics and using real-time data to fundamentally rethink product creation and curation.From corporate attorney to food industry innovator, Denys shares how mastering the operational challenges of frozen logistics, leveraging platform analytics, and partnering strategically with Temu transformed Grumpy Butcher from a pandemic-era startup into a fast-growing business that redefined how Americans shop for gourmet perishables.Shipping the Impossible – With **Operational ExcellenceKey takeaways:Being first in a hard category pays off: Pioneering frozen food on Temu positioned Grumpy Butcher as a category leader and innovator.Direct feedback and engagement with shoppers on Temu enabled product development, revealing stronger resonance with younger customers and reshaping the broader business strategy.Mastering complex logistics is defensible: Streamlining frozen food delivery and tackling common challenges helped Grumpy Butcher establish its core competitive advantage.Platform partnership means strategic collaboration: Temu provided operational support and guidance that went beyond transactional seller-marketplace relationships.In-Show Mentions:Learn more about Grumpy Butcher's journey on TemuExplore Temu's seller services and marketplace solutionsAssociated Links:Check out Future Commerce on YouTubeCheck out Future Commerce Plus for exclusive content and save on merch and printSubscribe to Insiders and The Senses to read more about what we are witnessing in the commerce worldListen to our other episodes of Future CommerceHave any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on futurecommerce.com, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.