Podcast appearances and mentions of Kay Cannon

You're more than your job. Much more. But it takes some time to transition once you retire. It can be especially challenging if you were forced to retire. Laverne McKinnon knows what it's like to process job loss and what it takes to move forward. Laverne  McKinnon joins us from Los Angeles. _______________________ Bio Laverne McKinnon's journey reflects a sincere commitment to helping individuals and organizations rediscover their capacity for impact and creativity. She balances multiple hats, integrating her experience and expertise as both a Career Coach and Grief Recovery Specialist with her extensive background as a Film & Television Producer. With an understanding that unaddressed setbacks and grief can erode resilience, Laverne specializes in guiding people and companies to reconnect with their core strengths and aspirations. Her approach is grounded in the belief that clarity of values and purpose lies at the heart of fulfillment and meaningful impact. As an adjunct professor at Northwestern University's MS Leadership for Creative Enterprises program, Laverne's highly regarded course on Persuasion & Pitching stands out for its experiential nature, pushing students to engage actively and think on their feet. She imparts the philosophy that pitching is not a contest to be won, but a connection to be made, emphasizing that people invest in individuals before ideas. This philosophy stems from her background as a television programming executive. A significant portion of Laverne's career was spent on the corporate side, notably as Senior Vice-President of Drama Development at CBS and Executive Vice-President at EPIX. Her involvement in the CSI and CRIMINAL MINDS series highlights her ability to identify and develop highly commercial and financially lucrative franchises. As the inaugural programming chief for EPIX, she earned the platform its first Emmy nominations. Her tenure as Head of Television at Charlize Theron's production company, Denver & Delilah, further showcased her ability to bring projects to life including three direct-to-series orders. As the Executive Producer of the Netflix series GIRLBOSS and co-founder of K&L Productions with filmmaker Kay Cannon, Laverne's passion for championing marginalized and underserved stories and communities is informed by her Japanese heritage and growing up in a lower-income household. Laverne's academic foundation, encompassing a BS in Radio-TV-Film from Northwestern University and an MBA from Pepperdine, underscores her commitment to being a lifelong learner. Along with certifications as a coach and grief recovery specialist, she's also a practitioner of cognitive behavioral therapy and neuro-linguistics. ________________________ For More on Laverne McKinnon Moonshot Mentor ________________________ Podcast Conversations You May Like Working Identity – Herminia Ibarra The Portfolio Life – Christina Wallace Edit Your Life – Elisabeth Sharp McKetta ________________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You'll get smarter about the investment decisions you'll make about the most important asset you'll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren't quite done yet, discover what's next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn't just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how The Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one – on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host  Joe Casey is an executive coach who also helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.

What do, a jukebox-musical retelling of the fairy-tale Cinderella, and a fresh spin on the story of a lady who is bestowed the "gift" of obedience, have in common?This week on THE MOVIE CONNECTION:KC Watched: "CINDERELLA (2021)" (6:05) (Directed by, Kay Cannon. Starring, Camila Cabello, Nicholas Galitzine, Idina Menzel...)Jacob Watched: "ELLA ENCHANTED" (28:43) (Directed by, Tommy O'Haver. Starring, Anne Hathaway, Hugh Dancy, Cary Elwes...)Talking points include:Turning other stories into jukebox musicalsThe "choices" of Cinderella (2021) Ideal Fairy Godmother giftand more!!Send us an email to let us know how we're doing: movieconnectionpodcast@gmail.comFollow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rate and Review on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Check out more reviews from Jacob on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Letterboxd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Cover art by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Austin Hillebrecht⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Letters by KC Schwartz

"This is not a big deal. They're teenage girls. They have sex. Do you, like, freak out when you see a bee f*cking a flower?"Finally, a movie that actually ends at prom! This week the Wives Colangelo are discussing Kay Cannon's criminally underrated parent-child prom night comedy, BLOCKERS. Let us discuss Dad-mode John Cena, honor yet another Kathryn Newton performance, talk about parents needing to learn to let go of their kids, and wonder if this was the the death knell of studio-distributed sex comedies.----Become a Patron!https://www.patreon.com/thisendsatprom----Article MentionedAutostraddle: “Blockers” Is Shockingly Sex-Positive, Feminist and Gay (https://www.autostraddle.com/blockers-is-shockingly-sex-positive-feminist-and-gay-417348/)----Find the Show on Twitter & Instagram: @ThisEndsAtPromBJ Colangelo —Twitter & Instagram: @BJColangeloHarmony Colangelo — Twitter & Instagram: @Veloci_trap_tor----------Logo Design: Haley Doodles @HaleyDoodleDoTheme Song: The Sonder Bombs 'Title': https://thesonderbombs.bandcamp.com/

In this conversation, Sarah Boston and Janet McMordie discuss the challenges of balancing a whimsical career path with a day job. They explore the pressure to excel in one thing and the fear of losing edge in a profession. They also touch on the desire to be good at everything and the struggle of being mediocre at two things. The conversation highlights the importance of artists supporting other artists and the value of being a supportive audience. Sarah shares her excitement about her upcoming performance at the Guelph Fringe and discusses her podcast, Co-Medicine, which focuses on healthcare professionals who are involved in comedy.TakeawaysBalancing a whimsical career path with a day job can be challenging, but it's important to find a balance that allows for pursuing creative passions while also meeting practical needs.The pressure to excel in one thing and the fear of losing edge in a profession can create internal conflicts, but it's important to remember that it's possible to be good at multiple things.Being a supportive audience member and supporting other artists is crucial in the creative community.It's important to let go of jokes or ideas that don't work and to embrace failure as an opportunity for growth and learning.Dr. Boston's podcast: https://www.drsarahboston.com/comedicine-podcastWHAT ANOTHER FUN PODCAST? YES PLEASE!!The Firecracker Department is a podcast that dives into honest conversations with women and non-binary folks in the entertainment industry.The podcast has now spawned an international community of women and non-binary artists encouraging each other to take creative action.The podcast is hosted by award-winning actor, improviser and comedian Naomi Snieckus (Second City, Mr D) In it, she talks to fellow actors, writers and producers - and gets the skinny on their struggles, successes and everything in betweenDeep, funny, REAL conversations that make you feel like you're having a drink with one of your best friendsGuests include Mae Martin (Actor + comedian - Feel Good, I Have Nothing); Jo Vannicola (Emmy Award-Winning Actor - Street Legal, Being Erica, The Expanse); Award-winning singer-songwriter Jann Arden; Bilal Baig (creator of HBO Max's Sort Of); and Kay Cannon (writer - New Girl, 30 Rock)Find The Firecracker Department wherever you get your podcasts - and give them a follow. And NOW you can WATCH the interviews on the Firecracker Department YouTube channel! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Director Michael Showalter discusses his new film, The Idea of You, with fellow Director Kay Cannon in a Q&A at the DGA theater in Los Angeles. In the conversation, he discusses the in-depth process of casting the Hayes character, working with a songwriter who writes for real pop bands to make a full soundtrack, and taking care to craft a realistic story that respects the genre. The film tells the story of Solène, who while chaperoning her daughter at Coachella, finds instant chemistry with the lead singer of a popular boyband. But while their whirlwind romance creates an undeniable spark, it isn't long before his superstar status causes challenges, and Solène discovers life in the spotlight may be more than she bargained for.

Kay Cannon (Pitch Perfect, 30 Rock) escapes her magical boombox to join Paul, Jason, and June in discussing the only movie that features Shaq as a rapping genie, 1996's Kazaam. They cover Max falling through an extraordinary amount of stairs, calling Jesus a genie, Kazaam causing the Mount Vesuvius eruption, and so much more. Plus, the HDTGM hosts reveal their spooning preferences. (Originally Released 01/08/2016) Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, and more.Pre-Order Paul's book about his childhood, Joyful Recollections of Trauma, wherever books are soldFor extra Matinee Monday content, visit Paul's YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerHDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul's Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerFollow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/Check out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on Twitter

We've admired Kay Cannon for years, both as a funny comedian and a cool person, and boy howdy, does she live up to both on today's episode! Now, you know Kay as a writer for 30 Rock and New Girl, as the writer of all three Pitch Perfect films and as the director of Cinderella and Blockers, but today we get to know Kay the human being! We talk about an eventful 20 minutes of therapy, being emotionally prefigured to deal with Hollywood, the difficulties of divorce and so much more! PLUS, obvi, we answer YOUR advice questions! If you'd like to ask your own advice questions, call 323-524-7839 and leave a VM or just DM us on IG or Twitter!Support the show on Patreon (two extra exclusive episodes a month!) or get yourself a t-shirt or a discounted Quarantine Crew shirt! And why not leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts? Or Spotify? It takes less than a minute! Follow the show on Instagram! Check out CT clips on YouTube!Plus some other stuff! Watch Naomi's Netflix half hour or Mythic Quest! Check out Andy's old casiopop band's lost album or his other podcast Beginnings! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Have you ever had a dreams that, that you, um, you had, you'd, you would, you could, you'd do, you would, you want, you, you could do so, you, you'd do, you could, you, you want, you want him to do you so much you could do anything? "Best Revival of a Podcast: Showgays" is a podcast in The Ampliverse at theampliverse.com  Email us any thoughts and takes and we may read it on the next episode at showgaysmoviemusical@gmail.com  Join our live discussion of all things Showgays on our Discord server! https://discord.gg/Ma5FasSwXU  Don't forget to check out the Ampliverse Bookshop for further reading! References The Lesbian Masterdoc (in PDF form): https://www.docdroid.net/N46Ea3o/copy-of-am-i-a-lesbian-masterdoc-pdf --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/showgays/message

Meet the incredible Marc Warzecha who founded the online Sketch School https://www.thesketchschool.com/ I met Mark this spring when I took Comedy Sketch Writing 101. It was so fantastic that I too all 3 levels and loved it. Marc is a compassionate and highly competent teacher and his classes are always informative and fun! With two decades at THE SECOND CITY Comedy Theatre, Marc Warzecha is an award-winning HEAD WRITER and ARTISTIC DIRECTOR, overseeing dozens of original sketch comedy revues across North America including multiple productions at The Kennedy Center (Washington DC), The Second City - Mainstage and ETC (Chicago), and The Kirk Douglas Theatre (Los Angeles) featuring sketch stars like Keegan-Michael Key (Comedy Central's Key & Peele), Jason Sudeikis (Apple TV+'s Ted Lasso), Tim Robinson (Netflix's I Think You Should Leave), Kay Cannon (writer, Pitch Perfect) and writer/performers currently featured on HBO's A Black Lady Sketch Show, NBC's SNL, FOX's The Simpsons, and more. Marc started his improv journey at Second City Detroit with other mega stars like Moyer and Michal Keegan Marc has been a guest on CNN's “Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer” and NPR's “All Things Considered.” Currently living in Los Angeles, he is a proud native Detroiter and Armenian. Visit my website where I speak to today's leading innovators of improv. My guests are improvisers and therapists from all over the world who share their stories and offer insight into the unique ways they use improv. margotescott.com/podcast/

This week, Emmy Winning Writer/Producer Jack Burditt (Modern Family, 30 Rock, Frasier and many, many more) discusses his career path, joining a show that is already established and working on shows with green screens.Show NotesJack Burditt on IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0120994/Jack Burditt on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jackburdittMichael's Online Screenwriting Course - https://michaeljamin.com/courseFree Screenwriting Lesson - https://michaeljamin.com/freeJoin My Watchlist - https://michaeljamin.com/watchlistAutogenerated TranscriptJack Burditt:I don't know. There was something about it that I'm like, oh, this is a show I always wanted to write. This is, and it was fun. And it was like we could go bonkers at times,Michael Jamin:But you'd go bonkers. But then you'd ground it somehow.Jack Burditt:Yes, yes. You always wanted to try to ground it somewhere in there. And even if you're leading up to a bonker scene, you wanted something setting up like this is the reason why this mayhem is going to happen.Michael Jamin:You're listening to Screenwriters Need to Hear This with Michael Jamin.Hey everyone, it's Michael Jamin. Welcome back to Screenwriters. Need to hear this. Another great guest. Hats off to me because my next guest is a friend from, I've known him for many, many years and I honestly have to say this guy's writing credits our outstanding, he's, and he's, he's going to be embarrassed when I say this, but Jack, I'm, I'm here with Jack Birded and he's literally one of the most sought after comedy writers in Hollywood. And Jack, before you say a word, let me tell you everyone what you've written on this could take a long time. You got a lot of credits, so, well, most recently, he's the creator intro runner of the Santa Clauss, the Tim Allen show on Disney Plus. Where he, Santa Claus. I'm going to, I'm just going to skip many of your credits. You have too many. I'm just going to do some of what I think of my, your highlights.Modern family. He run a Mount Modern family for many years. Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt 30 Rock, which we're definitely going to talk about. That is literally one of my favorite shows of all time. And I want to know more about that Last Man Standing, which he created new adventures of old Christine. I'm with her watching Ellie, and I know I said that wrong. Watching Ellie Inside Schwartz created, he co-created Dag Just Shoot Me, which we worked on together, Inc. Frazier. Mad about you. What else did I, I'm sure, oh, the Mindy Project did I said that right? The Mindy Project. That's how you said that show.Jack Burditt:Yes, yes.Michael Jamin:I'm unfamiliar with her. And then most importantly, the one that everyone knows you for. Father Doubting Mysteries.Jack Burditt:Jack. Well,Michael Jamin:Thank you so much. Damn, Jack, the credits on. You are nuts. We were talking yesterday, we were picketing yesterday and I was like, Jack, come on. You got to be on it. My podcast. And you were kind enough to do this. I got a lot of questions for you, Jack. I want to talk about 30 Rock, most of all, because I had a lot of questions while we were drunk on a three hour hike around the Disney lot. But I was like, let's just save it for the podcast. Tell what was 30 Rock, because I know obviously you're LA and they flew you out because that was a New York show. So you lived out New York.Jack Burditt:Yeah, I mean, they didn't fly me out. I flew myself out. Yeah, okay. That's the first thing. Okay. They don't put you up, they don't like No, no, it, yeah, no, it was,Michael Jamin:But wait a minute. Do they give you any allowance for rent or is that No, you're just paying for it out of your salary. TheyJack Burditt:Give you a moving fee, I guess, and it's not much. And it's a one-time thing, so there's no, it's point.Michael Jamin:And then, so were you living in Manhattan then?Jack Burditt:Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And it was a big decision. I mean, that came about, I was, remember, I was actually thinking of a career move at that point. WhatMichael Jamin:Was the moveJack Burditt:To go to dramas? I don't know. A lot of sitcoms. I was like, eh, I don't know. Maybe I want to try something new. But I was supervising a pilot that season, a comedy pilot. And I remember just reading a lot of the drama pilots and go, oh, this might be interesting. And even at that time, I met on Friday Night Lights, which was going to be starting up and was really interest in that show because I thought, oh, this is a great pilot.Michael Jamin:But you had to put together a bunch of different drama specs, right, to do that. Yeah. Yeah.Jack Burditt:Okay. So I did that, and then I just read in the pack. There were some sitcoms in there too, and it was the Untitled Tina Faye project. And I read that and I'm like, oh shit, I want to be on this show.Michael Jamin:Mean it was great. But then had, okay, so then your agent submitted you and then what happened?Jack Burditt:Yeah, and he, not for a long time, could not give me a meeting with Tina. She wanted the people. She wanted, and she's going to do with Robert Carlock. And I didn't know him either. And my agent really spent a lot of time just saying, well, would you meet with this guy? And she read a spec of mine that she just didn't care about that much, but he talked her to a meeting with me. So at some point I got a call, it was a Friday. They're like, can you go to New York to meet with T? And I'm like, yeah. And they said, can you get, there's a plane leaving in three hours, can you get on that? And I said, sure. So I went out, flew out on a Friday night, got there Saturday, met with her Saturday afternoon. She was still doing, she's still the head writer on S N L.Right. She was still doing weekend update. And it was a show day at S N L. I went to her office there. And I just remember there was a lot of chaos going on. And then Gore's supposed to be doing a couple bits in the episode, but they didn't know at that point whether he was going to show up or not. And I was just, wow, curious. I go, well, what happens if you, he doesn't show up? She goes, yeah, you just deal with it. And I thought, she's so calm. I go, I want to work for her so bad.Michael Jamin:Yeah. That becomes basically an episode for 30 Rocky. That's what happens.Jack Burditt:I mean,Michael Jamin:So, alright. I'm just curious about the logistics. So you rent a place in Manhattan and then you shot it, was it in Queens? In Astoria, I imagine? No, you shot inJack Burditt:30. Yeah. Yeah. Silver Cup. So no, we shot it at Silver Cup in Long Island City, Queens. We would certainly shoot at 30 Rocket Times. But no, our offices, our main set was across the river.Michael Jamin:And then how did it work? How was she able to be in the writer's room and be on set? So how did she do that?Jack Burditt:It was tough. Mean, there was a lot of her shooting during the day, and then some of us going to her apartment at night and riding at nightMichael Jamin:Afterwards. So your hours must have been really tough.Jack Burditt:They were long hours. Yeah.Michael Jamin:What was the day, typical day on that show? I mean,Jack Burditt:I don't know mean it was always long. Always. I felt like it was always at least 12 hour days. But I mean, there were times, and we've been in the doing sitcoms or stuff. I mean, there were times we saw the sun come up.Michael Jamin:Yeah, I know. It isJack Burditt:The worst feeling in the world.Michael Jamin:It is the worst feeling. But that show, this was my complaint with 30 Rock. If you laughed out loud, you'd miss the next joke. It was that funny that I was like, I'd almost watch it in silence because like, I don't want to miss it. It was so funny that you couldn't laugh because you'd miss the next big joke, which was right around the corner. It was nuts. That show, I mean, so how was that different for you writing in that show? Was there different and it was a, I don't know, what was the secret? That was a, I just love that show. It was hilarious.Jack Burditt:Yeah. I mean, I don't know. There was something about it that I'm like, oh, this is a show. I always wanted to write this. And it was fun. And it was like, we could go bonkers at times,Michael Jamin:But you'd go bonkers. But then you'd ground it somehow.Jack Burditt:Yes, yes. You always wanted to try to ground it somewhere in there. And even if you're leading up to a bonker scene, you wanted something setting up, this is the reason why this mayhem is going to happen, or, yeah. Right. But I feel like on that show, we've been in rooms before and you pitch something really funny and everybody's pitching on top of it, and then the showrunner's like, yeah, but we can't do that. AndMichael Jamin:On that show it was like, we can that. So I mean, is that right? I mean, was there prettyJack Burditt:Much, yeah, quite often I'm things that I knew if I'd pitch on other shows, it would've been like a, yeah, that's really good. We're not doing that. Right. I thought, oh, it's got a shot here.Michael Jamin:But the thing is, I don't remember. I don't really remember. I don't remember the Beg, the early episodes. It couldn't have started out that broad. It couldn't have. Right. Because no one would've approved that. But no network is going to say you'd be this crazy red out of the gate. Right?Jack Burditt:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it helped to have the power of Lor. Michaels behind it. He was an EP on it. But yeah, I, what the show became was a bit different from what it started, and there became more frenetic and a little bit more crazy as it went along. But I mean, even in that first season, I mean episode, I don't even know, maybe it was episode nine. By episode nine, we had Paul Rubins just playing this crazy character, and it was the first timer like, oh, maybe this is what the show can be.Michael Jamin:Oh, was really, is that what it was? Wait, the one time in Hits, and you'reJack Burditt:Like, yeah. Yeah.Michael Jamin:So I, I'm pretty sure you, well, you were in episode runs, weren't you? Weren't you in it once? IJack Burditt:Was in a few, yes.Michael Jamin:Yes, a few. And you TJack Burditt:Tina liked to, I think Tina and Robert Carlock. I don't like being on film, which is why theyMichael Jamin:Put you inJack Burditt:It. I think it was, but I also think it was partially, I did a lot of set duty. I was on set a lot during that run. And I think there's also the feeling of you put him in front of the camera so he knows what every actor's going through. And maybe it is helpful because in front of camera can be terrifying.Michael Jamin:Sure. But tell me, okay, so why were you on set most of the time? Why did they chooseJack Burditt:You? A lot the time. I mean it, I felt like in the early years, they just had, there were a few of us, there was me, they, John Regie, Kay Cannon, I don't know. There was a trust in some of us that they're like, you can sit on set. If something comes up, you can be there. Help rewriteMichael Jamin:It. Because Tina was there all the time. Right?Jack Burditt:A lot of the time. Yeah.Michael Jamin:And so she would say, Hey, can you take on another whack at this terrible scene? And then you'd got to just fix it on the set.Jack Burditt:Yeah. Yeah.Michael Jamin:So far, when we were doing Marin, I think I've told this before, but we did a scene in an anger management. Mark was in anger management. So they had a big circle where all of the other people in anger management. And so Mark yells me, he goes, jam and get in here. He wanted to be an extra in the scene. So I'm like, all right. He thought it'd be funny. So I'm sitting in the anger management scene, and then the director all cut, and then I get up and I go to the director, give him notes and all the extras. This guy is going to get fired. What the hell is he doing? Why is he talking to the director like that?Jack Burditt:That's hilarious. Do you remember the time on Just Shoot Me, were Steve was going to put me in a scene in the elevator and ask what he said? Yeah. Or I think somebody else had picked, maybe it should be Bird in the Elevator when George Siegel gets in there and Steve's like, yeah, fine, that seems good. But then the next day he's like, you know what Bird, it can't be in the elevator. This building is too nice of a building. And he basically going up too much of a dirt bag to be inMichael Jamin:That's, oh my God, we on, oh my. I dunno if I can say which. What? I was on a show, it was a network show, and we gave the lead character the last name. Well, you must know her. Linda ett. You know Linda, right? Yeah, yeah,Jack Burditt:Yeah,Michael Jamin:Yeah. So the network didn't realize, they didn't know her name, I guess, and they didn't like the lead being named Ti, they didn't like that name on her. She's like, what my name. But I remember we played, just Shoot Me at Ja, shoot me. We played, and it was best on pre-production. We played basketball. And then I would guard you because you were probably 35. I was like, I get the old, give me the old man. You were 35. Oh God. So now we were talking about this as well yesterday. You're running the Santa Clauss on Disney, and we were mentioning how, I hope you're comfortable talking about this, but the stress that comes with running a show versus being a Coex exec. And I wanted to get your take on, you feel what the differences are for you. What are the stresses for you when you're running a show?Jack Burditt:I mean, I guess the biggest stress of all is if something's not working, it's on you.Michael Jamin:It's on you. It'sJack Burditt:Just on you. I, and I just don't sleep. And it's like I, I'm like, I'm up at three in the morning going, Jesus, we don't figure this out. There's not going to be a script. There's not going to be. And it's just so many, I mean, how it is is a thousand questions a day, a thousand emails, texts, everything like that. And you just, you're overwhelmed. And I mean, what I like doing most is writing.Michael Jamin:But isn't that the hardest? I always say that's the hardest part of the job is the writing part, right?Jack Burditt:It's really hard, but it's also what I like the most. I love writing.Michael Jamin:But when they come to you with a wardrobe problem, aren't you just like, eh, put 'em on whatever. I don't really care.Jack Burditt:Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. In fact, every time I have run a show, always go to the head of wardrobe and I'm like, I don't know anything about it. Yeah. You see, the way I dress, I should never ever have a note on wardrobe. So I will always defer to you. And yet, I always wind up having a couple things like, no, this has got to be like this.Michael Jamin:I wonder if you feel this way as well. When I'm in a production meeting and everyone has a million questions and I'm like, oh, I got so much work to do. Can we get this over with? I got to go back and write. To me, that's not even the work. That's always like, this is nonsense I have to deal with. I got the writing is the hard part.Jack Burditt:Yeah. Yeah. I will say though, it, it's going to, production meetings is good because I think at first when you start writing, you're just like, I'll write anything. And then the production meeting,Michael Jamin:TheyJack Burditt:Say, no, clarifies what a jackass most production thinks you are for writing a simple line is going to cause so many problems and so much anxiety for prop people and wardrobe and special effects and stunts and everything like that.Michael Jamin:What about casting? Do you enjoy that part?Jack Burditt:No, I mean, right. It's tough. I mean, I know that a lot of Cassie now is done on tape, and I know that's its own problem. I know a lot of actors hate that, but I just feel so bad and being in the room with actors and you know, have 15 people coming in for a role and you're like, I could give this to 13 of them, anybody's going to be really good, so I'm going to pick this person. But a bunch of people who easily could have this job will not get it. I hate being in that position.Michael Jamin:So that's what it is. It's about you not wanting to hurt people that you don't, the part you don'tJack Burditt:Like. Yes. Yes.Michael Jamin:Interesting.Jack Burditt:Yeah, because I'm, there's so many good people out there, and there's so few jobs,Michael Jamin:Right? Yeah. What do you have, what's your interaction, I guess? What's your, yeah, what do you tell new actors to, how do you make 'em feel good? And do you have advice for them? I guessJack Burditt:It's funny because sometimes it's just like, they come in and what was in my head, they just nail it. And I'm like, that's great. But there's other times where actors will come in and do something that's completely different and really surprise me. And I go, alright, let's do it that way. And then I will wind up rewriting the role for them. Because Do youMichael Jamin:Tell that?Jack Burditt:I have told them that. Yeah.Michael Jamin:Well, how do, what do they feel about that? They must be very flattered.Jack Burditt:Yeah. Yeah.Michael Jamin:It's so interesting because you've been doing it so long, it's kind of interesting. I don't really talk about this, but you've been doing it so long, it's really not about, at this point, it's not about always getting what's out of your head casting that you're like, okay, yeah, I'll do some, I'll just surprise me, do something different. It's no longer about your ego at this point. It's about just what's interesting, right?Jack Burditt:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. And when I say I hate Cassian, it's not like I hate, I'm rooting for everyone that walks through the door. I want everyone to be great, and that's it. Not because I know there's certain writers who just have a sour feeling about all actors or whatever. It's like, it's not that at all. In my case,Michael Jamin:Although, but now, because it's like, how much do you do when you're watching on tape? How much will you give them? If they have the three minute audition, how long will you watch the whole thing?Jack Burditt:Yeah, I do. I do.Michael Jamin:That's good of you. Yeah. That's really good of you. Because you know, might be reading 10 actors.Jack Burditt:Yeah, I know. But I just feel like I owe it to them.Michael Jamin:That's really good of you, especially at the end of the day when you're tired or you have more things toJack Burditt:Do. Yeah, yeah.Michael Jamin:And then on set, what else? Exactly. Let's say, I know we're getting back to the 30 Rock, but what are you looking at when you're on set? Or is it just all script? It's all about the words.Jack Burditt:Yeah. Mostly. I'm not one of those. Very rarely will I go in and go, this is blocked wrong, or anything like that. Or the act. Yeah, it's mostly about the words,Michael Jamin:Really. Yeah. So it's not even about making sure you have the right coverage. You just whatever you, you'll trust that to the director or theJack Burditt:Yeah,Michael Jamin:The dp. Yes.Jack Burditt:I mean, yeah, I'll call that out every once in a while. Like I don't think we, I got this reaction. I think the actor gave us the reaction. I don't think we have itMichael Jamin:On camera. Yeah, yeah. Right. And I'm sure you learned a lot just from being in post, right? Yes.Jack Burditt:Yeah. I know. It's one of the reasons we're running circles around Disney and other studios now, picketing, one of the big issues is younger writers aren't getting a chance to either be on set or do post. And I mean, if you're writing tell, youMichael Jamin:Have to know all this. YouJack Burditt:Got to know all of it.Michael Jamin:Yeah, they don't, it's so odd because I think they're just being shortsighted it, it's going to be fine five or 10 years. But after that, when the older writers were done, these younger writers, they're not going to have this studio system. They, they created this thing that works, this Hollywood machine that really works well. And I feel like they're just trying to save a couple of bucks, but they're going to destroy it 10 or 15 years from now. What are you doing?Jack Burditt:Yeah.Michael Jamin:Hollywood has this monopoly that they're just kind of ruining. I don't know why they'd want to do that.Jack Burditt:Didn't your writing completely change after you started doing Post the way you would write a script?Michael Jamin:Yeah, it would. Well, it, not only that, it changed the way we would shoot it. We were hired on a job just because Steve and I knew how to look at the cameras we were hired on for pre-production, but they kept us through production because we knew what to do, how to watch the cameras, which the other people didn't know how to do. But yeah. But now you were also mentioning your post-production is so long. This is something I know very little about. Special effects. What is that whole process on with the show you're on now?Jack Burditt:Yeah.Michael Jamin:What do I need to know? If I were to say, kill you and take your jump,Jack Burditt:What you need to know isMichael Jamin:Don't do it. Don't take the jump.Jack Burditt:All the effects is so much more expensive than you can ever imagine.Michael Jamin:Well, yeah. So is a lot of green screen, is it rotoscope? What is this?Jack Burditt:Yeah, yeah, it's green screen. Yeah, IMichael Jamin:So when you're on set, how do you know if they're doing it right? I know. I never know. I don't.Jack Burditt:No, you got to trust it, I guessMichael Jamin:At theJack Burditt:Time. You got to be like, I hope. Yeah, we were, and we shot stuff this year that I was just like, so those mountains we see in the background, because this is supposed to be Chicago we're in, and not Santa Clarita, those mountains will be gone. I don't know if there's no money in the budget, suddenly Chicago's going to have a mountains,Michael Jamin:So they'll take all of, so it's all, yeah, even that, that's not even, okay, so it's not evenJack Burditt:That's green screen. It's right. It's like things to paint out, or they're dealing with a green horse head on set and you have person talking to it, and you have to trust that at some point, that's going to be a character talking to a reindeer and the reindeer's talking back.Michael Jamin:Right. And that, so you are overseeing that whole process. So in other words, if the map looks funny to you, you're like, nah, can you do it again? The map looks stupid, orJack Burditt:Yeah. Yeah. You'll giveMichael Jamin:Those kind ofJack Burditt:Notes. Yeah, yeah. Until you're told we have no more money and no more.Michael Jamin:It's like,Jack Burditt:Oh. And then you're like, oh, it looks fine.Michael Jamin:You know what though? But yeah, when we did Maryland, which is such a low budget show, if there was one shot, the cameras in front of the door at the door of a house and the door swings open, and for a fraction of a second, you can see the camera looking in the reflection of the camera in the door, but only if you're looking and only for a half a frame. And they said, oh, we'll just take that out. The post-production super supervisor says, Hey, we have some money, we'll take it out. I'm like, why bother? I didn't see it,Jack Burditt:ButMichael Jamin:It was going to cost a lot of money. I was like, I don't, is this really matter to us? But they did. They removed it. I was amazed. It was like a $5,000. And it doesn't make the show better. It just doesn't make it worse, I guess, right?Jack Burditt:Yes.Michael Jamin:Yeah. So interesting. What do you say, I don't know. What's it like with working with young writers now? What do you say to the young writers? Tell me,Jack Burditt:What do you say? I mean,Michael Jamin:What's it like working with young writers because you are still working in network? Big shows. I'm on mostly low budget shows where it's like three people complaining or whatever. IJack Burditt:Mean, it's fun. Yeah, it's fun working with young writers. They're soMichael Jamin:Enthusiastic.Jack Burditt:They are very enthusiastic. And then look, I mean, on Santa Clauss in season one, I mean, our two staff writers came in and pitched this whole Santa Claus mythology to dive into, and it's really become a big part of the show. TheyMichael Jamin:Pitched it before they got hired, or when they got hired,Jack Burditt:When they got hired.Michael Jamin:So they came in on their own. They said, Hey, what about this? And thatJack Burditt:Sounds smart, and let's really dive into the mythology of Santa Claus and past Santa Clauses and Oh, wow. And it really kind of opened a lot of avenues and it made it interesting. And I honestly think it bought us, when we did it last year, it's supposed to be one time limited series, and it did really well. But I also think that storytelling that the staff writers brought in kind of helped get a second season to, that's interesting. Oh, there's other areas that dig, get we. It's not just about Tim Allen playing Scott Calvin as Santa Claus, and he got a family. But there's this entire world, and I don't know the mythology world that much. I watched some of these shows or whatever, but I never broken them down before. But these writers were just, a lot of the young writers, they're very much into that. And soMichael Jamin:I have noticed that too. When we work with young writers, they're very enthusiastic, very. And a lot of them come in, it's day one, and they got piles of ideas and the showrunner's, all right, and then what do we got? And they come up, they start pitching their ideas and they're like, whew, at least someone came prepared. Let's do their idea. Because the older writer's like, I don't really know. We'll have to bang our head up against the wall. But the young kids, they got ideas. Let's do those. Yeah, yeah. They're enthusiastic, but, and so I want to go through some of your credits here. You have so many interesting, I don't know. I guess, tell me how you, I guess let's start with this. How did you first break into the business?Jack Burditt:It was almost like, it should have been expected of me, but I kind of went away from it. So both my parents did this, right? I mean, originally from Cleveland, my dad was a greeting card writer, but then some of his friends, his greeting card friends started moving out to LA and working on variety shows and things like that. And at some point my dad, like midlife decides, yeah, I'm going to give that a try.Michael Jamin:Fuck all this sunshine greeting cards. This is some comedy. And when you say midlife, how old was he?Jack Burditt:He was in his fortiesMichael Jamin:And he broke in his forties.Jack Burditt:He broke in his forties, I guess it was a different time. Yeah. So we stayed in Cleveland while my dad came out and for a year tried to make it and then got on a show, a variety show, and he is like, all right, looks like I got a good job andMichael Jamin:Out. And what show was that though? Do you remember? It was a,Jack Burditt:Yes. So it was a show called Turn On, which is famous for being canceled. Even almost halfway through the airing of the first episode.Michael Jamin:At the first act, we got to get this thing off.Jack Burditt:There were so many calls to the network, which I, I'm trying to remember. Maybe A, B, C, maybe N B C.Michael Jamin:Why? Because there were so messy, there were soJack Burditt:Many calls complaining about it. It was done by some of the same people that did laughing and it was like, let's take laughing, but speed it up even quicker and make faster jokes and go all and make it insane. So yeah, it had a 13 order, so that's why we moved. He moved the family out here and then boom, after one episode, he's out of work.Michael Jamin:Oh my God. It's hilarious. We, that's so funny, Steve. And we did a show once and we had a long, kind of a long contract. I go, what if we have to stay on this show? He goes, Steve's like this show's canceled up the act pretty soon as they air. And he was kind of right. Okay. So then after that show, what happened after the show was canceled to your dad? SoJack Burditt:Then thankfully a little bit after that, then he started writing on the Andy Williams show and which was done at N B C and Burbank. And we lived in an apartment a block from Burbank. And so kind of grew up around it. I grew up in Burbank, and then he did other variety shows. Sonny and Cher was the big one. He did, but he did a lot of things. You probably never heard of the Lola Ana show, the Hudson Brothers show. He did. But I guess the mid seventies he really started, he started realizing variety shows are going away.Michael Jamin:Well, there were a ton of them. There was Donny and Marie. I mean, it was the realJack Burditt:Big deal. But he, I wanted to make the switch to sitcoms and he had a writing partner and they wrote a Jeffersons, they wrote on Jeffersons, they wrote all in the Family and Sanford and Son,Michael Jamin:All amazing shows.Jack Burditt:And then the guys who ran the Jeffersons started three, each company. And then that's what my dad and his partner did. They jumped ship and they went on this new show, threes company, which was just this massive, massive hit.Michael Jamin:But all those shows were massive. All of my favorite shows, I didn't know he did three's company. Oh my God.Jack Burditt:Yeah. So I think he wound up writing probably more episodes of Three's company than anybody. I think SoMichael Jamin:Did you go to set a lot? Did what wasJack Burditt:Growing? Yeah, and it was funny. So yeah, I was kind of fascinated by it. I got a kick out of it. I never thought of it as a career. I'm like, my brother and my sister are really smart. I'm kind of the dummy of the family.And I always thought, oh, maybe they'll do something in there. My brother would make home movie. He is always making movies with those Super eight. But yeah, I just going, I thought it was fun to, I would go to Sonny and Cher, go to see those tapings, and then down the hall all in the family would be shooting and my dad would go, you want to go down to see Hall in the family? Yeah. I went down and just some dump, dump kid wandering around C B s television City. And then we'd go by and I'd watch Carol Burnett being filmed and amazing. And never occurred to me that this could be a career in any way.Michael Jamin:I don't know why your dad was doing it.Jack Burditt:Yeah, I don't know. I really, because like these are all smart, funny people doing it, I guess.Michael Jamin:And then when you went into the, weren't you in the military after? Did you not or was there somebody else? No. Oh, okay. Alright. So what? I wasJack Burditt:Not, my daughter went in the military, somebodyMichael Jamin:Thinking, no, I know, but I thought you did. But I guess, or I didn't wait, but IJack Burditt:Know. No, no, no. I, oh, I worked at Lockheed. I did. I mean, thatMichael Jamin:Makes mean they make stuff in theJack Burditt:Military's. I worked on missiles. So maybeMichael Jamin:What did you do in the missiles? What did you put gunpowder in it?Jack Burditt:I honestly, I don't think I'm allowed to say everything I did. Is thatMichael Jamin:Right? You had security clearance?Jack Burditt:Probably shouldn't have said missiles. I can say missiles. It's been a long time. We know Lockheed, they made missiles, so Right.Michael Jamin:Wow. My college roommate, he was on Secret Service detail for many years. And when I ran him to at college reunion, I hadn't seen him many years and I was like, dude, I can't believe we're on Secret Service. How many of them are many are there on the Secret Service detail? And he goes, that's classified. I go, that's the answer I wanted. That's all I wanted. I don't care about the number, I want you to tell me it's classified. Okay. Alright. So then at what point after you decided you didn't want to make missiles anymore, did you get into comedy writing?Jack Burditt:So the one thing I did know I could do was write,Michael Jamin:How did you know?Jack Burditt:Just in high school, I mean, like I said, I'm kind of a dummy and I barely graduated from high school. And the only way I graduated from high school was I loaded up on any course that had writing in it. I can bss my way through this. So I knew that. Also knew I enjoyed writing. I would just write stuff all the time. And then I liked journalism a lot. And so after high school, did a little bit of college, but not really didn't. And I worked at Magic Mountain as the right operator. AndMichael Jamin:Hey, it's Michael. If you like my videos and you want me to email them to you for free, join my watch list. Every Friday I send out my top three videos. These are for writers, actors, creative types. You can unsubscribe whenever you want. I'm not going to spam you and it's absolutely free. Just go to michael jamin.com/watchlist.Jack Burditt:Got yeah, started going out with another ride operator, and at some point she got pregnant and we're like, eh, let's get married. See how this goes. We're dumb teenagers. And we got married and we're still married today.Michael Jamin:But then didJack Burditt:So because of that, because I had to be responsible. I can't continue working as a riot operator. Then I worked at Lockheed, and that's where I did the missiles thing. But my wife, her friend worked at the Daily News, Los Angeles Daily News, and she knew I was interested in journalism and she got me a job as they called 'em copy boys at the time. They're editorial assistants, basically a PA for newspapers. And back then stuff still came over. The wire wasn't computer and you'd rip the wire and get different people. So I was working there for a few months and still hustling, trying to pitch editors on, can I write something? And they're like, who is this dumb kid? But then, yeah, I met the entertainment editor and just started hanging around and he took a liking to me and I got an assignment to interview a band. And that was my first, it was my first writing gig, my first professional writing.Michael Jamin:What was the band?Jack Burditt:It was a country group called Alabama. Oh,Michael Jamin:Sure. But that's not sitcom, right? That's not narrative.Jack Burditt:No. And I was really happy working for newspapers. I really enjoyed it. But while I was working there, I was working with a couple other reporters who wanted to get into script writing, and they had heard at one point about my dad.Michael Jamin:They're like,Jack Burditt:Why aren't you doing this? Yeah. I'm like, he does it. And he does it really well. I don't guess that's the biggest part of it is my dad did it so well. I didn't want to be the guy who's trying to do the same thing and being bad at it. Interesting. And I think that was always a fear, but one of these reporters, he had been in special forces and he wanted to write action movies. So the three of us would sit there and write these spec action movies, scripts, we'd get drunk a lot too, and doing that. And we got an agent, not a very good agent, but we got an agent and nothing was happening with that. And at some point I was like, you know what? We should try tv. And the guy who was in the Special Forces, he's like, I don't like tv. I don't watch tv. And he really didn't. But I think I convinced, I think at one point we wrote a cheer speck and I, I wrote a lot and I mostly wrote specs on my own. I just liked writing. I mean, geez, I probably wrote, so wrote the cheers. You wrote a Roseanne. Wow. Probably a home improvement.Michael Jamin:But did you really know then how to write, how act breaks? Did you really, I, there's a difference between knowing how to writing and enjoying writing and knowing how to write.Jack Burditt:So I didn't know what I was doing. And so I didn't really go to my dad for advice. And by this point, my mom was also became a television writer. She was writing in one hours, and I did not bug them about it. And it was just idiotic. And I think there was an embarrassment on my part or I, I'm not sure exactly why. So interesting. But I got a job reading scripts picking up, so did it for Tristar, did it for Disney Channel, did it for a couple play as a script reader and doing notes. And that to me was the education really. And I started to really see what worked, what didn't,Michael Jamin:The scripts.Jack Burditt:And I remember I read a couple books and read articles on writing, and it was always, those first 10 pages better be great. And I did discover a world where so many people had a really strong first 10 pages, and then it all fell off a cliff. And I'm like, no, I think it's those middle of the scripts that if you can nail that, then you're in good shape.Michael Jamin:But when did you, because for me, it really took many years, even as after we became professional writers, before I really kind of understood how to write. Yeah, it was mostly relying on more senior writers to do the heavyJack Burditt:Lifting. Right, right.Michael Jamin:Well, when did you figure that out?Jack Burditt:I mean, yeah, I don't know. Like I said, I did the script reading. I was still doing journalism, did the script reading on the side, and I think that really helped. Then I got a job at Disney as a script reader, and I was like full-time on the lot doing that. And then I was just around it and around people who talked about scripts and which is really, I would go to meetings that I should not have been in. I was in meetings with Michael Eisner and Jeffrey, and where they're talking about projects coming up and how to do this or do that. And I also didn't know my place. I would, I remember one point argue with Eisner, and then after the meeting, my boss said, you can never do that again.Michael Jamin:We did the show for him. This was a Michael Eisner show, and we would try to, he was a good boss, but we would try to convince him if he was stuck on something, there was no way you were going to change his mind ever. Not in a million years. And so it was his way. Okay. But for the most part, he let us do what we wanted, but once in a while he'd say, no, we're not going to do it my way. Well, you have the money. SoJack Burditt:There was one point, so there was a project, it was for the Disney Sunday movie, and Disney had signed these triplets, they're called Creole Creole triplets, and they're cute, I think 16 year olds. And Jeffrey Katzenberg wanted a show where, or a movie where on their 16th birthday, they discovered their witches. And so it was kind of charmed before Charmed. And I had been in those meetings where Kastenberg talked about it. So they hired a writer, and that writer, the first writer they got didn't really nail it. And then I had been in those meetings, I gave notes on it. They wanted me to give notes and say, this is what it should be. And then they wound up going with another writer, and she wasn't nailing it. And I gave notes and she did another pass. And it's like, I know this isn't what he wants. And so I did what you're not supposed to do. And over a weekend, I wrote, rewrote the first 30 pages of the script. And I went in Monday and I gave it to my boss, and I said, here's what I did. And she said, you can get fired for this.Michael Jamin:Why can't you get fired for that?Jack Burditt:Because I'm a reader. I'm not allowed to take a project and do my own pass on it. ButMichael Jamin:Why not though? BecauseJack Burditt:I don't know, there'sMichael Jamin:Still her version and then there's your version.Jack Burditt:It is a rule. Or maybe they just wanted to fire me. I don't know. Okay.Michael Jamin:Yeah. I don't know how the rules were. Okay, so you did this and she said, you shouldn't do this.Jack Burditt:She goes, yeah. She goes, you can get fired for this. I go, I know, but could you read it? And later that day, she came into my office, she goes, this is really good. I want to pass it up. But once again, I passed it up, you might get fired. I went, okay. And it got passed up and Kastenberg said, have this guy write the script,Michael Jamin:Then fire him. AndJack Burditt:That was your, so that was my firstMichael Jamin:Break,Jack Burditt:Yeah. Wow. And it never got made,Michael Jamin:Right?Jack Burditt:Yeah,Michael Jamin:Because things don't get made. That's how itJack Burditt:Is. Things don't get made. But then it got me, I started rewriting some Disney Channel projects and a couple, yeah, it was all these things. Nothing ever got made. I remember I was hired to write the new Mickey Mouse Club and then suddenly lost the job. And I still don't know what happened. I was you. And they're like, nah, yeah, no, you're not going to do it after all. Or that was, wow. The one with Ryan Gosling and Britney Spears andMichael Jamin:Oh my God, wow. Launched them and could've launched your career.Jack Burditt:I know I could be hanging out with all of 'em now. It'd be so much fun. So I was doing that, still working newspapers at times, still doing some script reading, the whole script reading career too. I was like always liked looking for things. And I think the only success story I ever had was I found an article in American Heritage Magazine about a newsboy strike in the 19 early 19 hundreds against Pulitzer and Hearst and I passed along because Disney was always looking for things for kids that kids could be in. And I said, Hey, I think this might be a movie. I never pitched it as a musical or anything. I thought it was a straight ahead thing, but it was like NewsiesMichael Jamin:And they, right, that became that. But you didn't have, so just whatever your job was to come up with ideas or you found an idea, you pitched it, or you put up the ladder, but you didn't get any credit. You don't get dirt. No, no. It was just, that sucks.Jack Burditt:And that's it. But yeah, also, I made money reading scripts for years, and that was the only thing that ever,Michael Jamin:Yeah, but it wasn't, I mean, you were raking it in as a script reader,Jack Burditt:Right? No, no. Right. No, no. It was mostly, it was actually a tough job for the little money. But like I said, I think that's where I learned everything. So that was helpful. And then I was still kind of kicking around, picking up little projects where I could and still work in newspapers. And I covered the riots in 92, the LA riots, and was so shook up by it. And so I really thought it was going to die up there. Everything was terrifying. And at this point, I got four kids. I'm, none of them will ever be able to go to college or anything, just scraping by. And I was like, I really need to write a great spec and try to get into sitcoms. It was finally, then I'm like, I'm really going to try this. And I wrote a Seinfeld spec that got wound up getting me with contacts I'd made Wound up getting me a really good agent. And within a few months I was on mad about you on the staffMichael Jamin:That was. And how many years were you on Mad About YouJack Burditt:Two? I did two Years On Mad About You.Michael Jamin:That was a really good show. And then Frazier, of course. And then, and most also, well, not most recently, but pretty recently, modern Family. The thing that strikes me about Modern Family is everyone in that room, I imagine it was a showrunner, potential showrunner had run shows. It'sJack Burditt:Crazy.Michael Jamin:It was really a talented room.Jack Burditt:Yeah. I mean, yes, it was. I like being on a show early on and really being able to put whatever fingerprints I can on it and direction and take character. Oh, let's do that. I like being at the creation of something. But there was something really nice about coming into the Modern family at the end, and I only worked on the last three seasons of that show. And just being no stress, no pressure. It's just, I'll tell some of my weird family stories and maybe they'll go in the episodes andMichael Jamin:Because it must be nice knowing that anyone in that room is capable. It's okay if you're having an off day, someone else would be fine. You're in good hands no matter who's talking.Jack Burditt:It was an amazing, amazing room.Michael Jamin:It's unusual.Jack Burditt:Or rooms becauseMichael Jamin:There's multiple rooms. And did you go back and forth, because obviously Steve ran Run Room and Chris together, but did you jump back and forth, or were you in someone's room most of the time?Jack Burditt:I think the first season I was there, I was mostly in Steve's the second season. It was about half and half in the third season that I was mostly,Michael Jamin:Do you know why,Jack Burditt:Chris?Michael Jamin:I would be like, wait, does he not like me? And then if I got into that room, wait a minute, he doesn't like me anymore. I would be paranoid no matter what roomJack Burditt:I was in. Yeah, right.Michael Jamin:But it was just they wanted to mix it up or what?Jack Burditt:Yeah. I mean, yeah, that first year, whatever room you started in, you were kind of there. And when I say first year, my first year, it was year nine of the show, and then there was an concerted effort. The writer said, you know what? That got too weird last year. Let's always keep mixing it up.Michael Jamin:Okay.Jack Burditt:And so season 10, we really, everybody I think did about half and half.Michael Jamin:You can answer this now, but did you, before you got there, did you watch every single episode or no?Jack Burditt:Yeah, so I had watched a show a pretty much every week, I think the first three seasons and then what happened in life. And so when I knew I was going to go on the show, I got episodes four through eight, and I just watched them all, which is a horrible way to do it. Why? Because I just bing because nothing lands. Oh. Because then I found myself pitching things and they're like, we already did that. And I'm like, really? And then they would tell me the story. I'm like, oh yeah, I saw that.Michael Jamin:Was that the one I slept through? Is that,Jack Burditt:And I felt like, I think I waited too late, like, oh, I'm going to start there next week. I got to binge every episode.Michael Jamin:Wow. And then of course, yeah, you created Last Man Standing. Now you working with Tim Allen again, and yeah, I don't know. What do you see? What does the future look like? I don't know. How has it changed for you? What's your perception? What's going on with the future of writing?Jack Burditt:Future of writing? I mean, make meMichael Jamin:Feel good.Jack Burditt:Yeah. I makes me feel good. Yeah. I decide I have to stop, have to censor myself on the picket line because yeah, I message, look, it's rough. I think what we talked about earlier, young writers are not learning the skills to run a show or whatever. And it's really, I think that has to change, I think for the sake of the business. But I don't know mean for the future tough. I hope we've hit the low point right now and that things get a little bit better. But the business is broken in a way too. And I think business has to figure itself out. And as much as writers got to figure out what their place is in the business, but I keep hearing not all these streamers will exist in a couple years. Right? And I'm like, what does that mean though, too? And our network's dead or not? Or I don't know any of this. I it's, and I've never felt like I don't have a handle on the business, but right now, I don't know.Michael Jamin:It's interesting. We sold a pilot to, I don't want to say which one, we, to a streamer, this is, I don't know, a year or so ago. And then we turned it in and it just sat on someone's desk for probably close to a year before they finally said, it's dead. It took 'em that long to say. Yeah. And then I think what happened was, usually you find out in a couple of weeks or whatever, but I think what happened was they couldn't decide if the streamer was dead or not. It wasn't really about their show. Oh, it was about the future of the streamer. I think that's what they're thinking about. It's like, are we really going to do this? Why are we in business? So I don't know.Jack Burditt:I can't believe Netflix is thinking that way, butMichael Jamin:Between me and you, you'll hear it here first. You heard it here first,Jack Burditt:ButMichael Jamin:You know what though, Jack, you are like us. I said this to Andy Gordon because, and Andy obviously, he just really enjoys writing. And you're the same way. I feel like you're just like, Andy will write and whatever. I don't really care. I'll just write something. As long as I'm writing, I do it the same way. Yeah,Jack Burditt:It, I mean, yeah, I'm always just writing things, just I do enjoy it. And Andy, you're right. Andy is another person I know, just loves it. Loves, yeah. Andy not only loves writing so much, loves everything about the business.Michael Jamin:He does. He does.Jack Burditt:And it's infectious being around him. Yeah. How much he loves it. HeMichael Jamin:Loves it. He'll take pictures. We did a show, did show in the scrim in the back, the background on stage was you could see his house. It was a Hollywood scrim, and you could see his house in that hill. And he was so excited to see his house in the scrim. Yes. That's awesome. Because he always walks around with a camera. He captures every moment. So exciting to him.Jack Burditt:He's also just one of the funniest writers. That's hilarious. And just shoot me when you're, I'll say being in that room, that was such a great room. And I also just remember, I do love, right? And I, I'll work harder than everybody. I also feel like I'm not as funny as in that room. I'm like, I know I'm not as funny as Andy or Danny or you.Michael Jamin:I don't put thatJack Burditt:Jack. No, no. Absolutely. 100% I, I'd be in that room and I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to out. Funny. These guys maybe work. And I did have a nice reputation. The best thing I've had is that I turn in great first drafts. You do. And that always my thing. It's like I don't eat or sleep when I'm working on a draft. And I just, because out of fear, I got to be as good as everybody else who's just so naturally funny. I don't know.Michael Jamin:AndJack Burditt:I would just grind and grind and grind. And even when we're in a room and going down a road and everybody's pitching really funny things, I'm like, I'm not going to be able to join in and out, pitch them. So my whole strategy was always, is there another way to go with this story?Michael Jamin:How funny. AndJack Burditt:So sometimes I would just, sometimes I couldn't figure it out and I would just be a quiet in the corner. Other times it'd be like, yeah, that's great. What if we did that? And I felt like that was, sometimes my skill is like,Michael Jamin:But even, but wait. But if that, well, first way was getting traction. If the first idea was getting traction, you wouldn't derail it with a pitch that said, what about that? IJack Burditt:Wouldn't, no. But I would like, no, not saying send the whole story, but another way to wrap up that scene or another way to try to come up with just something if it's heading some to surprise people and Yeah, this is funny. This is funny. It's going this way, this way. Oh, that happens.Michael Jamin:I don't know. What season just showed me was we were in one of the bungalows, I don't know, whatever it was. I have a clear, remember of you coming out of your office, you are off on draft on script, and you come and you were just exhausted. And it was just like, oh man. Poor Jack is on script. Yeah, you were really in it, man. You were when you're on script. Yeah, I remember that really well. You were suffering and you always turn in terrific drafts. I don't know what you're talking about, because it was always funny on page. And the most important thing is it funny on, and I don't even know how you did it, because when ER and I worked together, we know it's funny because the other person's laughing, but I always felt like, how do you know it? Because how do you know? I don't know how you did it alone. I really don't. Like how do you know it was going to be funny when you turned it in?Jack Burditt:Yeah. I mean, always felt like though there, it felt like almost every draft I turn in, there was always one or two jokes where people go, I don't get this. And I'd be like, I'd start to defend it and then realize like, yeah, no, it doesn't make sense.Michael Jamin:Don't get it either. I thought I was going to pull a wool over your eyes, butJack Burditt:Do youMichael Jamin:Keep some kind of notebook now when you have ideas or what do you do?Jack Burditt:No, I used to carry a notebook everywhere I went. Really? I don't anymore. And I don't know. At some point I'm like, eh, if I don't remember it, it wasn't that good to begin with. But I know there's a couple things I've forgotten. I'm like, I know. That was good. I can't remember what that wasMichael Jamin:Exactly. What Siebert and I say when we're on Tacoma fd, because we don't take a lot of notes. And there always our feelings. Well, if you don't remember, it was probably no good. No, but it was good. I dunno, maybe I should write it down, I guess. Oh, we should feel like you can come with something else. It's like it's not the end of the world. You come up with something, a better joke or whatever. Right. Anyway, that's so funny. Well, Jack, I want to thank you so much. This is an interesting talk. I really enjoyed this. I definitely enjoy getting your perspective on all of this, damn, honestly. And I have to, I'll say one last thing before I let you leave. You were always very support. I was a younger writer on just Shoot me. And you were very supportive of me. And I remember you sticking up for me one day and I really appreciate that. I don't remember what the details, but I said something, it was a joke. We were pitching on something. It was probably 10 o'clock at night. I was by by exhaust. And I pitched something that was kind of incoherent andSomeone started making fun of me, which you're supposed to do in the writer's room. You're supposed to make fun of the other person. But you came to my defense, you're like, no, this is his process. This is how he comes up with stuff. Leave him alone. And I always remembered that and little things like that. It's important. Oh,Jack Burditt:Well, itMichael Jamin:Really meant a lot. Really meant a lot to me.Jack Burditt:No, I liked your process too, because it was all out loud and you would try to, that's theMichael Jamin:Bad part.Jack Burditt:No, but it was interesting to me like, oh, I feel like it's what happens in a music studio, and I'm trying to figure out the thing. Yes, most people I think would keep it, try to figure it out in their head. But I also felt like with your process, because trying to get it right, you would throw something out and then work it and work it. But I also felt like there were times where you throw something out and you started working it, but then somebody else would pick up on it and I'm like, oh, maybe. To me it was like I always kept it inside until I felt like was I was 100% cooked and I probably shouldn't have at times. At times I'm like, I should have thrown something out that was half cooked and maybe gotten some help.Michael Jamin:But that's the thing. And I feel like I should have, I have not say everything out loud. That also can be a burden. When you're just spewing on stuff that's not ready to be heard, then everyone's shut up. So I can think, but how I think it's like whatever you're doing, you're always, am I doing it right? Maybe I'm doing it wrong. Whatever you're doing. I always feel like I'm probably doing it the wrong way. Someone else is doing it better.Jack Burditt:Right. Well, and that's one, and this, I guess would be the advice for younger writers if they ever happen to get into a room too. Yeah. It's just one thing I learned very late in life on this is every writer in that room is terrified that they're failing. Even the veterans, even ones have been doing it a long time, they're just like, oh shit. Oh man, if I don't, I got to get their, everybody is in their own heads, but do youMichael Jamin:Still feel that though? I mean, do you feel like other veteran writers that you currently work with or work with in the recent past feel that way still?Jack Burditt:I think the really good ones feel thatMichael Jamin:Way. Really?Jack Burditt:Yes.Michael Jamin:They feel like they're, they're stru. This is all garbage. It's all gone downhill. Yeah. Really. The good ones interesting. I'll have to get names from you, but I certainly feel like whenever we start a script, I'm like, ah, crap. You know what I really feel, I felt like, and I remember on Just Shoot Me Feeling This, every time you write a story, you break someone. We would break a story in the room and I always felt like, well, that's it. There's no more stories. That's it. How could there be more? It took us how took a week to figure out this one. Yes,Jack Burditt:Yes. Yeah. I know. It was all, yes. Especially those times where it really took a long time.Michael Jamin:Yeah.Jack Burditt:How did that take so much? We're we're done. Yeah, we, we've explored these characters too much and now,Michael Jamin:But you must've felt that way in Modern Family though, when you've done season nine,Jack Burditt:Right? I mean, yeah.Michael Jamin:You've done everything. I mean, I know in Simpsons they say, yeah, but we've only done it three times. Right.Jack Burditt:So we can still do it was this week. One more time out of it,Michael Jamin:But that shows 30 years old or whatever.Jack Burditt:God. But it's incredible.Michael Jamin:Alright, well Jack, thank you again so much. Yeah, it really was such a pleasure. This is a good talk. Alright everyone, until next week, keep tuned. Keep writing is what I all, I always say. Alright. Thanks again, Jack.Phil Hudson:This has been an episode of Screenwriters. Need to Hear This with Michael Jamin and Phil Hudson. If you're interested in learning more about writing, make sure you register for Michael's monthly webinar @michaeljamin.com/webinar. If you found this podcast helpful, consider sharing it with a friend and leaving us a five star review on iTunes. For free screenwriting tips, follow Michael Jamin on social media @ MichaelJaminWriter. You can follow Phil Hudson on social media @PhilaHudson. This podcast was produced by Phil Hudson. It was edited by Dallas Crane Music by Ken Joseph. Until next time, keep writing.

It's the most dramatic episode yet, as Amber & Lacey welcome the very much loved Kay Cannon. Kay is an expert on Vanderpump Rules' #Scandoval and is kind enough to give Amber & Lacey a crash course before the start of the "Celebrity Expert Quiz". It's hotter than the bag of Flamin' Hot Cheetos Lacey has in her recording space and also the lime version which happens to be Amber's pick for "Can You Stand It". Lacey has a new skill that she wants everyone to know about (Amber doesn't like it) and Kay wants to turn listeners on to a special kind of workout (intenSati by Patricia Moreno). The "Biggest Fan in This Room" game goes off the rails when they try to fill in the blanks of Kay Cannon's personal stories. So that everyone wins, we will share Kay's answers as a bonus in the show notes below! Enjoy! ----- Hey Biggest Fans of Kay Cannon! Here are some of her personal short stories that she shared with our producers. We all wanted you to have them too: 1. Having summers off from school…               Working at the Polk-a-dot Drive Thru for $2.85/hr. After one shift and taxes taken out, I made a whole $16! But I got to eat all the french fries and mozzarella sticks I wanted!  2. A time your stomach was in a knot         Easier to answer when it ISN'T in a knot. Every time I take on a new job, my stomach gets crazy. Always feel like I'm going to barf. If I don't feel like I'm going to barf, I shouldn't take the job. It's gotta pass that barf test!  3. A souvenir that you cherish?        Jimmy Choo gifted me Cinderella's glass slippers after "Cinderella" (wrote and directed) came out. I also have a yellow audition cup from "Pitch Perfect."  4. Playing a sport as an adult…        Love it! I learned to play tennis and ran a marathon (without training). I know pickleball is considered an old person game but I don't care. I love the shit out of that pickleball. I'd play basketball again if I wasn't so afraid of getting hurt.  5. Coaching sports…        Double love it! I was a graduate coach at Lewis University for Track & Field and coached my daughter's soccer team. I was also a coach of an improv team. Does that count? I find it extremely satisfying to teach and watch other people win or get better at something they care about.   6. You just cleared security check at an airport …          And I'm exhausted. My double masks having gotten entangled with my glasses and are now useless. I have to go back because I forgot my fucking scarf in a container after pulling my back out trying to quickly remove my overpacked carry on.  My shoes are off and I'm walking barefoot. I'm TSA pre-check but for whatever reason it didn't say that on my ticket. Oh, and my other bag? It's in a line of bags needing to be checked because there's a tiny water in there that I forgot was in there.   7. A moment in the writer's room…       "30 Rock" room: We would play this game called "Lookey-stare-y" where someone would look through the hole of a paper towel roll. They would pan across all the writers, who would intentionally have sad faces and then land on my face -- which was smiling from ear-to-ear. Guaranteed laughter.  8. Growing up with many siblings…      I was raised in a pack. I never developed a good sense of direction because I would just follow the pack. West is always left. I have always described my childhood as "wonderful chaos." It was very loud, very competitive, and for the most part, crazy fun. I was the runt of the group so I had to learn how to be scrappy.  9. A moment in NYC …    SO MANY. 1. After an SNL afterparty, a group of us were walking to the after-after party and I turned to see what I thought was a guy holding a bong. He was actually holding his peen/balls and jerking it. He said, "What's up?" with a big smile on his face as I walked past him. 2. I once lived above Eliott Spitzer's prostitute. Ashley Dupre. I knew her as Ashley Yomen. We went on a double date. She cooked a lasagna in my oven. I borrowed a club shirt to wear to an SNL taping. 3. My husband, Eben, asked me to marry him on the pier off the west side highway. 4. Saw Spring Awakening five times, including opening night where I watched Lea Michele cry her eyes out during bows. The curtain went down and all the other actors left the stage and she stood there crying into her hands. 5. Tree lighting ceremony at Rockefeller Center: Jack Burditt and I showed Rockefeller security a 30 Rock script we each had written to prove that we worked for the show and they let us go all the way -- as close as you could get -- to watching the tree get lit up. I could go on and on about all the craziness and fun and weirdness (I also got divorced while I lived there) while living in NYC.  10. Important lesson from improv class…    NEVER EVER judge someone from the back line while watching a scene. I saw that happen all too often. How dare you judge. You should be thinking about how you can "yes and..." and make better of a tricky situation. If you are judging, you are a dick. Important lesson is to never be a dick. 11. Life moment you're so proud of…    Cliche but... any moment I share or observe of my daughter, Leni. She da best.  12. Coaching sports…        Double love it! I was a graduate coach at Lewis University for Track & Field and coached my daughter's soccer team. I was also a coach of an improv team. Does that count? I find it extremely satisfying to teach and watch other people win or get better at something they care about. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Franchesca Ramsey, also known as Chescaleigh, is an American comedian, activist, television, and YouTube personality, and actress who has appeared on MTV and MSNBC. Join Michael Jamin and Francheca as they explore her path to success, lessons learned, and what it takes to make it in Hollywood.Show NotesFranchesca Ramsey's Personal Site - https://www.franchesca.net/Franchesca Ramsey on Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchesca_RamseyFranchesca Ramsey on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/chescaleigh/Franchesca Ramsey on TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@franchesca_leighFranchesca Ramsey on Twitter - https://twitter.com/chescaleighAutomated TranscriptFranchesca Ramsey (00:00:00):No. You, you never, you never know. And, you know, on the topic of Nose and Failures, I went to the red carpet for the Emmy's in 2008 and I swore that was gonna be my big break. I thought, I was like, I'm never going back to the chamber. Like I, I remember my boss.Michael Jamin (00:00:15):So you went as what?Franchesca Ramsey (00:00:17):As I was a red carpet reporter for.com. Oh yeah. I was on the red carpet. I interviewed like Kathy Griffin and Neil Patrick Harris. And I sang with Josh Groin. Like I had the best time. Right. And then I had to fly back to Florida and go to work. And I was heartbroken. I thought I was gonna get an agent. I thought I was gonna, I just thought like, this is it. I'm, I'm making it. And I did not make it.Michael Jamin (00:00:42):You're listening to Screenwriters. Need to hear this with Michael Jamin.(00:00:50):Hey everyone, it's Michael Jamin. Welcome back to another episode of Screenwriters. Need to hear this. I have a wonderful special guest today and she's extremely inspiring. And if you want to be a screenwriter, you need to hear how this woman broke in because it floored me. I'm here with Franchesca Ramsey and she has all, she's a multi-talented person cause she's an actor or writer performer. But she started as a YouTuber.Franchesca Ramsey (00:01:13):I started on the internet. It's honestly, it still blows my mind when I say it. But the internet opened so many doors for me and I could not be more proud of the career that it's helped me build.Michael Jamin (00:01:26):And you have so much. But I think what's most, like, I wanna talk about all your successes, but to me, what I really interested by are all the failures that led up to yourFranchesca Ramsey (00:01:35):Success,Michael Jamin (00:01:36):. Cause this is not overnight. No. that you made it.Franchesca Ramsey (00:01:39):No, absolutely not. And I really try to be transparent about those things because I know how it is when you're on the other side and you're watching people have all of these wins and you're comparing yourself to them and you're suing that everything is going their way. And the reality is, more oftentimes than not, there are so many nos behind the scene before they got to the yeses that you're getting to watch and experience. Right. So I, I've had a lot of them. ,Michael Jamin (00:02:09):We're gonna go through 'em, but lemme just tell everyone how we met. Cuz we only met on, on Friday. On Friday. I'm not big on Twitter, but I checked it for some reason, fate told me to check it. And someone had tagged me in a tweet saying, there are two screenwriters you need to follow me and you and your your, your Twitter is tr is is ChecheFranchesca Ramsey (00:02:26):Lee. Yeah,Michael Jamin (00:02:27):Chely. Which is, which is Lee's probably your middle name.Franchesca Ramsey (00:02:29):Lee is my middle name. Yeah.Michael Jamin (00:02:31):Okay. And so they tagged me and you and I, I didn't know you, so I was like, oh, look at her. And I clicked on your link and then I, and I realized, oh, what, you got a huge following and you have some interesting, you talk about interesting things. So I follow you. And then later that day, literally that day, I'm picketing cuz run, strike the Disney lot. And then you call out to me cuz you recognized me.Franchesca Ramsey (00:02:49):Yeah. Oh my God. I mean, I, I mean I, so I started following you on TikTok. It's been a while. I'm still pretty new to TikTok. I think I've only been on there like a year. I'd begrudgingly joined. I was one of those mm-hmm. . and so there's not a lot of TV people on there. Right. And the thing that I was saying to you at the Disney lot was, I appreciate that you have demystified the, the process and the business because there are a lot of people who love and enjoy television, talking about the business, and yet they have never worked in the business. And you come from a place of, yeah, I have sold shows. I've worked in hit series. I, you know, you've done so many things. And just being able to see someone who knows what they're talking about, but again, is making it accessible, is really inspiring. And it really is in line with the ethos of my work.Michael Jamin (00:03:39):And and you do all of that. I wanna talk about, jeez. Well, actually, actually, I should probably say how everyone knows you. Okay. Yes. You've done a ton. You first of all, you were a correspondent on the Nightly Show with, with Larry Wilmore, who Yes. It's funny I know so many writers and he, I, I think of him as a sitcom writer because he's written, he's a writer. Yeah. But he's also a performer's. Like you're singing yourself. He's a multi-talented person, but also decoded on m comedy Central. Mm-Hmm. Franchesca Ramsey (00:04:05):Mtv. Mtv. Decoded. Oh,Michael Jamin (00:04:06):Mtv. Yeah. Okay. I, Carly, which you did one season on Yeah.Franchesca Ramsey (00:04:09):The reboot. I, yeah, I did the first season of the reboot.Michael Jamin (00:04:12):Right. And that must have been, oh, I don't wanna talk about that. Yeah,Franchesca Ramsey (00:04:16):Yeah.Michael Jamin (00:04:16):We'll talk about that. We're gonna get into all that. You, you wrote for the Oscars in 2020. Mm-Hmm. you were, you were recurring on superstores an actor, right?Franchesca Ramsey (00:04:24):I was, yeah. I was recurring, recurring for 12 episodes in season six.Michael Jamin (00:04:28):Wow. That's, that's, that's,Franchesca Ramsey (00:04:29):Yeah. And I did that and I did that while I was a writer, producer on iCarly. So I had They didn't let you leave? They did let me leave. And I had many a times that I was on set at five o'clock in the morning to shoot, to go to shoot a superstore. And then I still had to get my outline and on time , and I did it. Oh my God.Michael Jamin (00:04:51):But, but Oh, and but you started mm-hmm. , even before this, you had a, you had a viral video Yeah. That went on YouTube.Franchesca Ramsey (00:04:58):Yeah. So I, I started making YouTube videos when I was in college. Not to date myself Right. But my senior year of college, YouTube was founded and I started making YouTube videos. And I had my very first viral video in 2012, which was Shit, white Girls Say to BlackMichael Jamin (00:05:15):Girls. Oh, you started, but you didn't start in 2012.Franchesca Ramsey (00:05:17):When did you start? No, I started in, I started in 2006.Michael Jamin (00:05:20):And then, right. So you had many, you did years of not making viralFranchesca Ramsey (00:05:25):Videos. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I was working as a graphic designer. I worked I worked in beauty and fashion mostly. So I worked at Maybelline, I worked in the package department. I was Photoshopping eyelashes on packages. The mascara does not make your eyelashes that long. , that was me. And then I also worked at Anne Taylor and I was working at Ann Taylor when I went viral in 2012.Michael Jamin (00:05:50):But did you not, did you, like when you were in high school, in college, did you want, I mean, guess, did you wannaFranchesca Ramsey (00:05:55):Be a writer performer? Yeah, no, actually I wanted to be an actor. I went to a performing arts middle and high school. There are a number of alumni from my high school. The person that most people know is Eric Andre. He's a comedian. Right. He was a year older than me. And there are a lot of us from my high school that are still in the business. And I went to college for acting. I went to the University of Michigan, but I left largely because I was struggling after losing my acting scholarship. I had a scholarship my first year, my second year I didn't. And I got a job. DidMichael Jamin (00:06:26):They, could you a scholarship for only one year? IsFranchesca Ramsey (00:06:28):That how works? Well, it was so it was not a need-based scholarship, meaning that it was not based on your parents' income. It was a talent based scholarship. So I auditioned for the school. I got a scholarship my first year. And then after that, the whole faculty voted on who got the scholarship. And because I was only a sophomore, I didn't know everybody. So most of the people that got the scholarship the next year were like juniors and seniors. So I was working part-time at school. I worked for the School of Public Health. I was working on their website. I was a self-taught designer had a bootleg of Photoshop and I'd gone to H T M L camp in middle school. And so I was like uploading files and shit, and I was getting paid 20 bucks an hour. And I was like, yo, this is it. I was like, maybe I should be a graphic designer. . So I left Michigan, moved back to Florida, which is where I'm from, and went to design school and was Oh, really? Studying graphic design. Yeah. And, you know, just I always kept a blog. I'd had a website since middle school. And when YouTube came out, I was like, yo, this is, this is really neat. ButMichael Jamin (00:07:34):This was just cuz you wanted personal expression.Franchesca Ramsey (00:07:37):Yeah. I just thought it was cool. I'd always, I was on live journal and I had dreadlocks at the time, and so I was always like taking photos of my hairstyles and like doing tutorials and just writing about my daily life. I mean, before, before there were digital cameras, I had like a scanner. And so I would go and get my photos developed and then I would scan them and I would post them on my little website. And it was just, I've always been a journaler. I've always like really loved, like just keeping track of my life. I am an only child, so I, I just like, I, that's just always been my form of expression. And so when YouTube came out, I felt like it was the perfect combination of all the things I was already interested in. Right. So I started making YouTube videos in 2006.Michael Jamin (00:08:21):But, and some of those, cause I went, I I scrolled down. You got a long list.Franchesca Ramsey (00:08:24):Yeah. I have so many .Michael Jamin (00:08:26):And some of them were just like, oh, here's, here's how I do my hair. And here's like, yeah. But then you started venturing off into more scripted, you know,Franchesca Ramsey (00:08:33):Compliment stuff. Yeah. I mean, so honestly what happened was I was watching Eric become a successful standup, and I remember him calling me and him saying, there are no black girls in New York doing standup. And I was like, really? And he was like, yeah. Oh my, this is my bad Eric. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got it. You got you. They're so funny. You should be doing this. And I was like, oh, I don't know. Like, I've never done standup. Right. And so I got a copy of the Comedy Bible, which is a great book that I recommend. Okay. And I used it to write my first standup set and was doing comedy in, in Miami and was making sketches and trying to promote my comedy career via YouTube. AndMichael Jamin (00:09:14):Was that working? I mean,Franchesca Ramsey (00:09:15):Yeah, it was. I mean, I was, it's so interesting because where we are with social media is just like, it just feels so accessible now. But like back in my day, I didn't know anyone that had a website. Right. And I had business cards that had my website, my YouTube on them, and I would go to comedy shows and I would say like, oh, you should watch my YouTube channel and like, get on my email list. And, you know, when I would do competitions at the Hollywood Improv, like I would send out emails and I would say, please come to my shows. And did people I Yeah, they did, they didMichael Jamin (00:09:51):Come. So these are your fans would come basically people who were on your email list? JustFranchesca Ramsey (00:09:55):People that I would, I would, I would, if you met me somewhere, I was asking you to be on my email list. Really. And after I graduated college, I got a job as the communications manager at the Miami Beach Chamber of Commerce. So I was doing all of their graphics and PR stuff. And so I was learning how to write press releases. And so like, I was using that to build my online community for my YouTube channel. Right. And I, yeah. And I entered a YouTube contest in 2008, I guess. Yeah. 2008. It was the Red Carpet Reporter contest. Really? And I went to the Emmy's. Yeah. And I I You,Michael Jamin (00:10:33):You entered and you won?Franchesca Ramsey (00:10:34):I entered and I won. And I, I , I really used the things I learned at the Chamber. Like I sent out a press release about myself, , to like, local news. And news was on like my local news. Wow. I threw a party so people would vote for me. Like .Michael Jamin (00:10:52):So this is like, it was a lot. Cause so many people say, well, you know, how do I get an agent? How do I, people expect agents, managers, producers to make their career. And that's not what you are doing. No,Franchesca Ramsey (00:11:03):No.Michael Jamin (00:11:03):You're doing it yourself and you're not asking for permission, you're doing it.Franchesca Ramsey (00:11:07):No, I, working at the Chamber was really eye-opening for me because I learned so much about the power of networking. Right. I always had business cards. Every time I would meet someone like a tip that I learned was I would keep a little sharpie in my bag and I would write a interesting tidbit about them on their, on their business card. And then I would email them and I would talk about something that they had said to me. So like, if you said, oh, I gotta leave for my kid's soccer game, I would email you and I'd say, it was really great meeting you at the, the Coffee with the President event. I hope your kid, you know, killed the soccer game. You know, some, just something like that. And then people would be like, oh my gosh, she was so thoughtful. Like, yeah.Michael Jamin (00:11:44):But these are people who you, you don't, are are these people that you think that can help you? Like, who are these people you're meeting that you want their business card, that you wanna wanna email them? No, they'reFranchesca Ramsey (00:11:52):Not, they're not people that I think can help me. Like, I, I just think of it as, you know, when you meet someone and you connect with them, it's not necessarily that they're gonna help you get further mm-hmm. . But like, if, if we have a connection and we like each other, like maybe there's a world in which we work together, or Yeah. I've got this, I'm doing this contest and I need as many votes as possible. And I met you at an event and we got along, or I'm doing standup now and I'm like, Hey, you know, remember I was kind of funny when we met, like come to the standup,Michael Jamin (00:12:22):But how often would you, if you met, I don't know, let's say, I don't know how many people we've met in a month, let's say it's a dozen. How often are you contacting them to stay in touch to let them know they'reFranchesca Ramsey (00:12:32):Live? So I was, so, so again, I was working at the Miami Beach Chamber of Commerce, which is a membership organization for small businesses. Mm-Hmm. . And we would put together events. We had a weekly coffee with our president every Friday. We had dinner galas, we had golf tournaments. We would go to like, opening of businesses. Like we were doing events all the time. And at every event I was just like, hi, hey, nice to meet you. And I was just meeting as many people as possible and I was doing some of this on Company Jam. I was sending emails and being like, Hey, I met you at this event, can I put you on my email list? You know? Right. soMichael Jamin (00:13:06):I How did you get to be so smart about this though? I mean, like, like did someone teach you this or is this like, I'll just gonna, I like thisFranchesca Ramsey (00:13:11):Idea. I, I will say I learned a lot from the Chamber because we had we had like a women's group and we had like a young professionals group. And because I worked at the Chamber, I was there for all of these events. And I will also add, this was my first job outta college. I am still friends with the people I worked with at the Chamber. I'm still friends with the members that, you know, I met when I did my book tour in 2018, I was able to do it at a bookstore that was one of the members of the chamber when I, you know, I was like trying to get something together. And the bookstore was like, yes, we will absolutely buy copies of your book. We remember you. Right. And right. And it's, I think oftentimes people think about networking for like, these selfish, you know, I'm gonna move forward.(00:13:57):Right. But if you come from a genuine place of just getting to know people and, and showing real interest, my dad always says, be interested. Not interesting. Right. Actually, just like getting to know people and connect with them, you will find that people are like, yeah, you know what? I could throw you five books. You know what? I got a place that you can host a comedy show a actually I will buy a book. Like, people wanna help you. And I was really fortunate I got that job not knowing what it was. And I say all the time, it really like laid the foundation for me when it came to the power of networking and that people like who, you know, really does help you get ahead. But it also enriches your life and your career.Michael Jamin (00:14:38):But how else did it help you knowing any of these people later? Like how, how else did it, you know, materially Okay. I get, yes, you had a and you could, you could do a signing at the store, but how else did it help you?Franchesca Ramsey (00:14:50):I think just helped me to see people that like believed in me. You know, when it was time for me to have comedy shows and stuff. And especially there's so many places where you have to ha bring 10 people. Oh, okay. You, you, you gotta do a bringer show if you're gonna get on stage. And so, you know, kind of corralling my email list to get people to come and support me when I did that YouTube contest and I needed people to vote for me. Right. I, there was a member who had a nightclub and so I threw a party at the nightclub and it was genuinely me just being like, can I throw a party here? And they were like, yeah, no problem. Your, are your friends gonna buy drinks? Right? Yes. . So I set up little laptops and I had people voting for me at the party and Wow. And I, and I won the contest.Michael Jamin (00:15:35):So these are just so small, little, little unexpected ways that just pay that just pay off. But you don't know how or whenFranchesca Ramsey (00:15:41):Yeah. Pay off. No, you, you never, you never know. And, you know, on the topic of knows and failures, I went to the red carpet for the Emmy's in 2008 and I swore that was gonna be my big break. I thought, I was like, I'm never going back to the chamber. Like I, I remember my boss. WellMichael Jamin (00:15:57):You went as what? AsFranchesca Ramsey (00:15:59):I was a red carpet reporter for people.com. Oh yeah. I was on the red carpet. I interviewed like Kathy Griffin and Neil Patrick Harris and mm-hmm. , I sang with Josh Groin, like I had the best time. Right. And then I had to fly back to Florida and go to work and I was heartbroken. I thought I was gonna get an agent. I thought I was gonna, I just thought like, this is it. I'm, I'm making it. And I did not make it. I went AndMichael Jamin (00:16:24):How did you get that job to begin with? The, you know, the red carpet shop? I, because you didn't have an agent?Franchesca Ramsey (00:16:29):I, I entered the YouTube contest. So theMichael Jamin (00:16:31):Contest that was just from that.Franchesca Ramsey (00:16:31):Okay. Yeah. So you had to send in a video of you doing an interview. And I interviewed like my boyfriend at the time and my dog. And then I, you know, I was in the finalist and then I went on the streets of Miami Beach and I just interviewed people. Right. And and then it was voting. So then I, you know, I was doing all, I was hustling to get votes.Michael Jamin (00:16:50):It's so funny cause you are not shy. I mean, no, like, that's how I met. I mean, right. And good for you and good for you. I mean, who else is gonna advocate for you, if not for yourself? I think people want agents. Like they want an advocate. Well be your own advocate. HowFranchesca Ramsey (00:17:02):About that? No. Yeah, no, it's totally true. And look, I, I, I did that red carpet reporter contest and I, you know, I was kind of thrown to the wolves in that nobody was helping me. Right. interview people. They gave me a list of potential celebrities and I watched as many shows that were nominated as possible. I wrote jokes. There was a person under the camera poking me in the leg being like, you gotta hurry it up, wrap it up, wrap it up. I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. Like, I just was going for it. And I really thought, and my videos were, they were funny, the clips were viral. I was doing great. And then nothing happened. Like, it was it,Michael Jamin (00:17:39):Did they ask you back the year later? Or No?Franchesca Ramsey (00:17:41):No. Nothing. No. They didn't even do the contest again. It just, it just was over. I thought people, people.com was like, we loved you. And I was like, great. Do you wanna hire me? And they were like, no, ,Michael Jamin (00:17:53):No. What makes you, why, why would you think we wanna hire you ?Franchesca Ramsey (00:17:57):I was so heartbroken. I moved, I moved to New York the next year, Uhhuh, and I did kind of like the little tour. Like I went to the people offices. I got all dressed up and I was like, remember me? I won that contest. And they were like, yes. When like, what, what do you want? I was like, I, I thought I would get a job. .Michael Jamin (00:18:14):Really? Yeah. And so then what happened? So, okay, good, good. , you got, you're here and then you fell back a couple pegs. That's fine. And then what happened?Franchesca Ramsey (00:18:21):Yeah, so I was kind of pounding the pavement in New York. I did all sorts of jobs. I stuffed envelopes for like a a temp agency. And, you know, I'd gone to school for graph graphic design and I was going to lots of events in New York. Like I went to social Media week in New York. Right. And I met a guy at Social media. He probably was trying to date me in, in hindsight, I had a boyfriend. Right. But I met this guy at Social Media Week and he worked for a creative temp agency. And he was like, oh, well I can help you find a job. And I was like, really? And he was like, yeah. So as this, at this temp agency, I was just doing design for a bunch of different places. So I did some design for the botanical gardens. I had to ride a hour plus train up to the freaking Bronx. Mm-Hmm. . And I was, you know, pushing pixels around for the for the botanical garden. I also worked for this place that did like a big book of I guess it was like a, it was like a fashion book that got put out every year. I, I don't really remember what it was, but I was, you know, just doing a lot of photo editing and stuff. And that's, and then I got the Maybelline job through a friend.Michael Jamin (00:19:32):But that wa I, I wanna, but Okay. But then all the while you're still putting out YouTube videos, right?Franchesca Ramsey (00:19:36):Yeah, I was still making YouTube videos. I was usually like waking up early and editing. I was stealing my neighbor's wifi so I would upload before I went to work because Uhhuh, that was when nobody was on the internet. Youtube was very slow back then. So Yeah. You to like, leave your computer uninterrupted to upload videosMichael Jamin (00:19:57):And, but, but pe people were slowly finding you at this point, or no?Franchesca Ramsey (00:20:01):Yeah. I mean, I was building a little bit of an audience cuz I was making those hairstyle videos. And remember I had had a website in middle school and high school. Right. So I had, I was building my audience. Like I was in this live journal community called, oh no they didn't, which was like a gossip community. Uhhuh . So I posted my videos there. I was in a dreadlock community called Get Up, dread Up, and I would post my hair videos there. And, but atMichael Jamin (00:20:28):Some point you, you decided to make a leap Cause you you had that one video that went viral.Franchesca Ramsey (00:20:32):Yeah, so actually before that, I entered another contest in 2011 called the YouTube Next Up Contest, Uhhuh . And and I won that contest. It was a contest to find like YouTube's next big stars. Right. And it was me and 25 other people. And we each won $35,000. Nice. And we spent a week at YouTube learning how to like better produce our videos and we got new cameras andMichael Jamin (00:20:57):Out here YouTube and, and my, inFranchesca Ramsey (00:20:59):New York? InMichael Jamin (00:21:00):New York. Oh, New York. Okay. Yeah. You know, my partner and I ran a show by from Renton Link.Franchesca Ramsey (00:21:04):Oh, well yeah. I love them.Michael Jamin (00:21:05):Yeah. They're, they had a show, YouTube offered them money, like a lot of money to make a sitcom and they hired us to, to be the right to run.Franchesca Ramsey (00:21:11):Oh, cool. Yeah. No, I love, I love them. I was in one of their, I was in the old collab video with them years ago. Oh wow. Yeah. So I got to meet so many YouTubers from that, and actually my current writing partner, I met her through the YouTube. Next up she was a freelance producer at YouTube and they put us in little teams and had us make YouTube videos, Uhhuh. And she and I, she and I really hit it off and we stayed friends. And the, the year after I did next up is when I had my first big viral video. And I really believe that next up taught me a lot about, you know, tentpole content. Like thinking about my content around holidays and special events and trending stories and finding ways to infuse my personal voice. And so I started kind of like changing my content right. Where I was just doing hair stuff. Right. And I was doing random comedy things, just being more focused.Michael Jamin (00:22:03):And what was your focus?Franchesca Ramsey (00:22:04):Well, my focus was more of looking at trends and finding ways to infuse myself in them uhhuh. And looking at what everybody's talking about and how can I put my own unique spin on it. Right. And so what happened was, there was a viral video called Shit Girls Say. Right. And it was a guy in a wig just doing a bunch of different things that girls say. And there were lots of parodies. There was like, shit, black girls say shit, moms say shit, dad say, and I was trying to figure out, I was like, I wanna do one, but I don't know what I wanna do. And I had gone home for the holidays and I was at a party, a Christmas party mm-hmm. and everyone was drinking and I was not, because I was the designated driver. And as my friends were getting drunker, people were starting to say some things to me that just were at the time things that a lot of my white suburban friends would say to me.(00:22:57):And I wouldn't think twice about, but because I had this video in my head, I was like, oh, maybe this is the video. People were like touching my hair and, you know, just saying things that I don't believe were coming from a bad place. Right. But I was like, something is in this. But I was like, I don't know, like, I don't know what to make this. It's like, I was like, shit black girls say, I was like, shit, white girls say, and I hate to even say it. My ex was like, maybe it should be shit white girls say to black girls. And I was like, no, that doesn't make sense. The the meme is shit. Girls say so it has to be that. And my ex was like, why, why does it have to be like that? And I was like, I dunno, I don't, I really wrestled with it. And then I thought, well, maybe that's what it'll be. So I wrote down all of the things that people had said to me. Right. I shot the video, I uploaded it before I went to work. And by lunchtime it had like a million views. And my email was just like blowing up. My phone was just like going nuts. No one at Ann Taylor knew I made YouTube videos, Uhhuh . And I was like freaking out. It was like, what? The frick is happening?Michael Jamin (00:24:02):Freaking out. Because you were worried you were just in trouble, Atara, or what? No,Franchesca Ramsey (00:24:06):No, I was just freaking out in the sense that I was feeling overwhelmed because my inbox was suddenly, you know, NPR wants to interview you and the Huffington Post wants to write something about you. Yeah. And like all of these agents and S n L reached out to me and they were like, we would love for you to audition for S N L. And I was like, what the f I was at work while this was happening. Wow. And I was like crying at my desk and, and my coworkers were like,Michael Jamin (00:24:31):What is all like tears of joy. No tears.Franchesca Ramsey (00:24:33):Yeah. Tears of joy, but also tears of like, I'm very emotional. I was very, I was just overwhelmed. Like, I don't know how to handle this. And, butMichael Jamin (00:24:43):That video is, is wonderful. Yeah. obviously I watched it, but were you, I mean you were making a statement?Franchesca Ramsey (00:24:50):Yeah. I mean, I don't think I knew I was making a statement. I thought I was just genuinely, I thought I was making a video about being from West Palm Beach, going to private school, where oftentimes I was the only black person in my class. And having my friends who were well-meaning say things to me that I knew made me feel uncomfortable, but I wasn't really sure why.Michael Jamin (00:25:14):You weren't sure why?Franchesca Ramsey (00:25:15):I wasn't sure why, but I knew I, but I knew there was something funny about it. Right. And I, and I think my surprise was realizing that I had captured a universal experience that other black people and just marginalized people in general experience where people in their lives are like, you're different from me. And they're acknowledging it in a way that is not necessarily malicious, but it does still feel uncomfortable.Michael Jamin (00:25:39):But, but some of them were kind of cringy. Some were like, Ooh, did someone, some of them really say that to you?Franchesca Ramsey (00:25:45):Like, oh my god, really? Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. And, but that's also what was incredible to me about it is because the comments were like, this is my life. The comments were saying, I am the only black girl in my school in Idaho, and this has happened to me. And, and I'm, I'm watching these comments coming come in and realizing like, oh, I did something with this that I didn't anticipate. Yeah. I, you know, I got invited to be on Anderson Cooper. They did a whole segment about me in that video. I had never been on national television before. And, and, and I, I was like, I had no agent. I had no help. I did my own makeup, which mm-hmm. I think I did good. But like, I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. And I stillMichael Jamin (00:26:25):Have How did your friend, how did your friends react to it though when they saw it?Franchesca Ramsey (00:26:29):Oh my God, they thought it was amazing. My whole, I I mean this was, butMichael Jamin (00:26:32):But they were the ones who said these things to you.Franchesca Ramsey (00:26:34):Yeah. And they were like, this is really fun. One of the girls that like was the main culprit came with, with me to Anderson Cooper .Michael Jamin (00:26:39):But aren't they supposed to apologize for, I mean, they're not supposed to think it's funny. They're supposed to say, I'm sorry. I said those things.Franchesca Ramsey (00:26:45):, you know, I, I I think it's also just a symptom of where I was in my life because at that time now we talk about privilege and microaggressions in a way that feels, you know very forward thinking and, and progressive. And in 2012, we were not. Right. And so again, while I knew that those comments made me uncomfortable, I did not have the language to explain why. Right. And I, and I did not believe my friends were malicious, and I still don't believe that they were malicious. It's just a symptom of your privilege. And that is something that people do all of the time, right? Mm-Hmm. , like straight people do that to gay people. Right. Gay bodied people do that to disabled people. Like cis people do that to trans people. It happens across every dynamic and, and every identity. And so I don't think my friends, some of them did feel like, oh my God, this makes me like look bad. Right? But I didn't have anyone that felt like, oh, Francesca hates me. Like, everybody knew I was making comedy content. Mm-Hmm. . And a lot of my friends that were sharing it across all backgrounds were like, oh my God, this has happened to me. Or Oh my God, I need to check myself. Because Right. In the context, this doesn't seem great. Right.Michael Jamin (00:27:59):Do Now I imagine putting yourself out there, cause I know what it's like, it exposed you to backlash too. And myFranchesca Ramsey (00:28:07):God. Oh my God, yes.Michael Jamin (00:28:09): What, what and what was that like for you the first time? And what's your advice? For me itFranchesca Ramsey (00:28:13):Was r it was really hard. It was really hard. So that video got about 12 million views in the first week. Right. And, you know, again, today 12 million views maybe. Doesn't seem like a lot.Michael Jamin (00:28:24):No, it's a lot. It's aFranchesca Ramsey (00:28:25):Lot. I mean, I, I, you know, TikTok, people are blowing up all the time, but it was really big for me. Right. But again, because I was talking about race, there were a lot of people that were uncomfortable and there were people that were calling me a racist. They were saying that I hate white people and you know, this is not right. And if it was reversed and, and I, for better or for worse, am very accessible. So I was in the comments, like fighting with people. I was arguing back and forthMichael Jamin (00:28:52):And why? So that's the thing.Franchesca Ramsey (00:28:54):Yeah. And I, and I do youMichael Jamin (00:28:55):Should you do that?Franchesca Ramsey (00:28:57):No, I, I think you really have to pick your battles mm-hmm. . And I think that, I think that there are some people that are always gonna dislike you no matter what. And they always have, they already have their mind made up about you. Yeah. And so you have to decide like, what is the purpose of me engaging with this person? And for me, especially on Twitter, even if I engage with someone who I disagree with, if I think I can make a broader point about the misconception, or I can clarify something, or I can use them as an example of how to better defend yourself on certain topics, I'll do it. Versus there are a lot of people I just don't engage with at all. ButMichael Jamin (00:29:37):You, I I'm gonna guess I'm taking a wild guess though. I'm gonna guess that you've never once changed anybody's mind.Franchesca Ramsey (00:29:45):I dunno that that's, I don't, I I'm gonna push back and say I don't necessarily think that that's true because I got a lot of emails from people that said that I did change their minds. Really. But I think, but I think it's, again, it's also a matter of what your approach is. And it also has to be somebody who actually wants to have their mind changed. There's a difference between somebody that just wants to argue. Right. And someone who genuinely says, I don't understand this thing and I want to, and I think whether it's online or in real life, we have to be better at gauging the difference because it is a waste of your time to argue with the person who already has their mind made up. Mm-Hmm. versus to engage with the person who says, you've made me think about this differently. I'm not sure I agree yet, but I'm like close to figuring out if, if I could be.Michael Jamin (00:30:31):And that makes you feel good knowing that, I mean,Franchesca Ramsey (00:30:34):Yeah. I mean me, it'sMichael Jamin (00:30:35):Exhausting. That's all. Yeah.Franchesca Ramsey (00:30:37):It isMichael Jamin (00:30:37):Exhausting. It really is.Franchesca Ramsey (00:30:39):It is exhausting. But I think what that video taught me about myself, and it really kind of shaped the direction that my content went in Yeah. Is that there's a lot of, that comedy is really powerful, that we can tell stories that we can tell the stories of people that don't necessarily see themselves represented and feel like they're being heard. We can expose people to new ideas. Mm-Hmm. , we can get people to think about the world that they inhabit and how they move through the world differently. And I realized like using comedy to talk about serious stuff is something that I wasn't seeing other people do on YouTube. And so I really started like shifting my content Yes. In that direction.Michael Jamin (00:31:19):That's almo. Would you say that's kind of your brand now? I mean, what? Whatever that means.Franchesca Ramsey (00:31:23):Yeah. It was, and I'm, I don't know. It's hard. I'm trying to get out of it if I'm being honest.Michael Jamin (00:31:28):Why? Okay. Yeah. Why?Franchesca Ramsey (00:31:29):Because it is exhausting. Because, because as a black woman moving through the world, I'm constantly being asked to justify my existence and educate people mm-hmm. and talk about serious topics all the time. Right. So then to do that for my job is, is dually exhausting. And, and I, I struggle with it because I know I'm good at it. Right. And I know it's important, but it takes a lot out of me. Yeah. It ta and, and you know, like, I'm dealing with this right now with the writer strike where I'm making a lot of content about the strike because I think it's important. But I'm also being asked and pulled and every direction where people like, explain this will tell me this, well, it makes sense, da da da da da. And I'm like, this is actually my livelihood. Like this is not just a trending topic on Twitter. Like this is about how I'm gonna continue to make a life for myself, you know?Michael Jamin (00:32:21):But Okay. So you're, are you're still, are you still making original content on YouTube? No. No. Why not? I think you should Franchesca Ramsey (00:32:29):I have, I have a, cause I, I have a complicated relationship with YouTube Uhhuh. I guess the, the best way to say it is, you know, after, after, after I went viral, I got an agent. I left my day job, I started auditioning and, andMichael Jamin (00:32:45):The, and the, I say want, I wanna slow it down. The agent reached out to you?Franchesca Ramsey (00:32:49):Yes. Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay. And I will also add that prior to that, I had made DVDs of all my standup and all my sketches, and I had mailed them out to every agent in New York. And not one person got back to me.Michael Jamin (00:33:03):This is exactly what Okay. So I do a, a monthly webinar, free webinar where I talk about Hollywood and how to break in, this is exactly what I talked about yesterday. Yeah. Is that you have to make them beg Yeah. If you're begging them, it's not gonna happen. Right. It's not gonna happen. Right. They have to look at you like you are, like you have dollar signs on your face Yeah. And you're a big bag of money. And when they see money on your face, they'll come after you. Yeah. Which is what they saw with you. Okay. This isFranchesca Ramsey (00:33:27):Someone, it was like the, it was like the year prior I had sent out those DVDs and I did not get one person to get back toMichael Jamin (00:33:33):You. Same person, same talent. Yeah. You just didn't have the platform yet.Franchesca Ramsey (00:33:37):Yeah. And then suddenly everybody wanted me. So then I, you know, I got this agent and, you know, I got the opportunity. I, I met with a manager and she said like, what's your dream? And I said, I want my own TV show. AndMichael Jamin (00:33:50):She What kind of show, by the way?Franchesca Ramsey (00:33:52):Well, I didn't really know. I just knew I wanted a show. And she looked at my YouTube channel and was like, well, we should pitch like a sketch show. So I was out pitching the sketch show, nobody bought it. Mm-Hmm. . And one of the places I went to though was M T V. And M T V was like, well, we really like you. We have this show about feminism and and pop culture that's doing really well. Would you be interested in developing something similar about race? And I was like, yeah, that sounds cool. So I met with this production company called Corn Neighbor Brown. Mm-Hmm. , we started developing what then became M T v Decoded mm-hmm. . And, you know, I, Dakota has opened so many doors for me. I'm, I'm so proud of that show. But I dealt with so much harassment because of that show so much. And YouTube, for Better for worse, did not really support me. And, and I, and I, and I really struggled with that becauseMichael Jamin (00:34:45):What kind of support were you hoping to get from them?Franchesca Ramsey (00:34:48):Well, people were making death threats. Oh. People were taking my content and they were editing together videos of me to make me say that I hate all white men and I hate all white people. Oh my God. And I think people should die. And, and, and, and YouTube was like, well, you know, it's not a copyright violation. And I was like, how is this not a copyright violation? Like, soMichael Jamin (00:35:07):What do you do when that hap what do you do when that happens?Franchesca Ramsey (00:35:10):I mean, what I did was I ended up walking away. I mean, I did it for six years. And again, I am so thankful for all the doors that it opened, but I had to ask myself like, is this worth it in terms of what I want? And what I want is to be a comedy writer. I don't want to be a professional educator. I don't want,Michael Jamin (00:35:29):But I imagine you were also monetizing this from YouTube. You were making monies, right?Franchesca Ramsey (00:35:32):Well, it was MTV's content. So I was not making, I was making a flat rate on every episode. I was credited as executive producer because I had developed the show. So I was being paid as the host and executive produ producer, and I was paid anytime I wrote an episode mm-hmm. . And I wrote about, I'm gonna say I wrote about like 50% of the episodes, and then I got hired on the nightly show. Right. So I was on TV and I was doing Dakota at the same time. So we brought in writers. Right.(00:36:02):so I was making a flat rate. I wasn't making, I wasn't making a ton of money. I I I, I worked part-time jobs. I worked as a writer for Upward for three years. Mm-Hmm. , I was speaking at colleges, I was doing like little TV things here and there, but I was M T V was not paying all my bills. Right. and so when I really like took a step back and looked at where I wanted to go in my career, I was like, I just don't wanna be an internet personality for the rest of my life. Mm-Hmm. . And I don't wanna be the girl who just talks about race. And I was like, I'm glad that this is given me a platform and opened all these doors for me. But I would meet people and they would, they were surprised that I was funny. And, and I would say, well, I'm a comedian. They're like, no, you're not. I see you onde coded. And I'm like, right. Well, Dakota is like an educational show. I'm, I'm not, I'm not know. But the thingMichael Jamin (00:36:54):Is, people say to me, I'm afraid about, like, they're not even in the business yet. I'm afraid about being put into a box. Right. I'm afraid of about doing this one thing that getting stuck in the box. And my attitude is get in a box first. You know, you need to get work.Franchesca Ramsey (00:37:06):Yeah. Get in the box first. Yeah. And thenMichael Jamin (00:37:07):You worry about getting out of the box.Franchesca Ramsey (00:37:09):Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I, and I would, yes, I, I agree. Like, and if, for me, I didn't know I was getting into a box. I was following what was being successful for me and what I was enjoying and what I was good at. And I did that for six years. You know, I was on the nightly show. And, and even that, like, I started for a minute. I was like, oh, I think I wanna be a late night host. And then I was realizing like, oh, this is really hard. Like mm-hmm. talking about the news and, and, and writing about news, writing about what's happening in the world and trying to put in a funny spin is just a, it's hard. It's so hard. And again, I learned so much, but I think what I really learned was, I was like, if I have a TV show one night a week, I don't wanna do five nights a week, .Michael Jamin (00:37:51):But even on your channel, which I poked around, I was like, oh my God. Like you interviewed Michelle Obama. I was like, what? Like what? How did that come about? ?Franchesca Ramsey (00:37:58):Yeah. I mean that was, that was through YouTube. I, so, because I was so active and I had won that Emmy's contest and I won that next step contest, like I had a relationship with YouTube, like I would speak at events there. Mm-Hmm. one time they had this party where they had an airplane circling LA with like celebrities. And I hosted the plane. Like I was speaking over like the, the speaker in the plane. It was so weird. It was very fun. But like, that was because of YouTube. And so they would regularly reach out to me and say like, oh, we're doing this event which you hosted, or would you speak on this panel? Or whatever. SoMichael Jamin (00:38:36):Leaving, it must've been very hard for you because on the one hand, they were good too. You on the other hand,Franchesca Ramsey (00:38:41):Yeah. I mean, I wasn't getting paid for a lot of those things. Like I Oh really? No, no, it was justMichael Jamin (00:38:45):Exposure.Franchesca Ramsey (00:38:46):Yeah. It was just ex it was exposure. And that was also part of it. Like, that was me making a conscientious decision that I wasn't gonna do unpaid work anymore. Uhhuh. . But I started saying like, okay, cool. Like, you guys are happy to have to fly me out and have me speak on a panel, but I then have to run back to my hotel room and like write these articles because I'm, I don't have money. You know? And like, my visibility, I think a lot of times people think like, oh, I see you everywhere. So that must mean you're making a lot of money. That must mean you're, you're, you're crushing it. And that's just not always the case.Speaker 3 (00:39:23):Hey, it's Michael Jamin. If you like my videos and you want me to email them to you for free, join my watch list. Every Friday I send out my top three videos. These are for writers, actors, creative types. You can unsubscribe whenever you want. I'm not gonna spam you and it's absolutely free. Just go to michaeljamin.com/watchlist.Michael Jamin (00:39:47):But even on your videos of, on your YouTube videos, you were mon like, cause you can't monetize them. Yeah. You just didn't, you weren't getting a lot. That'sFranchesca Ramsey (00:39:53):No, I wasn't, I I was never one, I was never consistent largely because I always had a regular job. Like I, I tried being a full-time YouTuber and I just, the money is so inconsistent. It's a once a month paycheck. Yeah. And you don't know how much it is because some months you have a really good month and your views are really up. Other months your views are really down. The, I don't know what they're like now, but at the time your ads did not automatically come on your video. Sometimes the ads wouldn't show up for like a day or two. Uhhuh . So if you got all your views in those first two days and then they dropped off by the time you got ads, you didn't make any money.Michael Jamin (00:40:30):Oh, interesting.Franchesca Ramsey (00:40:31):And then there's like certain times of year that were really good, I was always trying different things. Right. Like I was making Holiday vi, I made these Christmas card videos. I made these videos that you were supposed to send to people for their birthday. I did Parodies, lady Gaga came out with a song. So I did a video for like, you know, I stayed up all night like editing this video. So Yeah,Michael Jamin (00:40:50):You did Gwen Stefani, you sounded just like her. Yeah. I was like, that was great. I wouldFranchesca Ramsey (00:40:53):Do all these impressions and I was, I was just realizing that the amount of hours I was putting in were not, it wasn't paying off for me is what I was realizing. And that was a big part of my transition into like, I want to be in tv. Right. That's always been the goal. You know, I, I went to acting school. I didn't know I was gonna become a writer and, and I was so glad that I was doing that, but I was like, this is, I don't wanna be on YouTube for the rest of my life. I don't wanna make videos in my apartment. I don't wanna make videos about my life. I want to work in tv. So really focusing on that, and again, doing Decoded was awesome, but I realized what I have to do is I gotta get a sample. Right.(00:41:36):Like I have to, I have to put together a packet. Like I have to start doing the things that are gonna move me into the next phase. Mm-Hmm. . And I think kind of to your point about being in a box, I think you have to be open to, if you're in a box or people are seeing you one way, being open to saying, what else can I do? And like, how can I show people that I'm more than this one thing? Mm-Hmm. and taking that risk and believing in yourself is really scary. But it's essential because I could have done decoded for the rest of my life and I don't want to do that ,Michael Jamin (00:42:11):You know? But then, so iCarly was prob was your first scripted? Yeah.Franchesca Ramsey (00:42:15):And then it wasMichael Jamin (00:42:16):What, so how did you get that? Cuz that's a big leap you have toFranchesca Ramsey (00:42:19):Write. Yeah. So before iCarly, what did I do before iCarly? So I did the nightly show and then I sold a pilot to Comedy Central. Mm-Hmm. . And the pilot was with the same producers that did Decoded and it was kind of like a late night sketch type show, Uhhuh . And we didn't go to series. They actually gave us a mini room and I did not know it was a mini room at the time. I was just happy that I was getting a writer's room. And so we wrote 10 episodes of the show. We didn't go to series. I wrote a book. Right. I did a book tour.Michael Jamin (00:42:54):And how, how did the, how did the book come about? Which the book is called, well that escalated quickly, , which I imagine and the memoir and memo, it's memoir Mistakes of an Accidental Activist, which is Yeah, that's a perfect idol. Cause I think that's exactly what you were, right?Franchesca Ramsey (00:43:08):Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it, it really was a collection of essays about a lot of the mistakes that I had made in communicating with other people on the internet and talking about things that were important to me and all the lessons that I had learned along the way. And after Shit White Girls say Went viral, I had a number of people reaching out to me, asking me to write a book, but I just didn't know what I wanted to write a book about. TheseMichael Jamin (00:43:32):Were agents or publishersFranchesca Ramsey (00:43:34):Literary agents saying like, you should write a book. And I just didn't know what I wanted to write a book about. I kept putting it off funny. And then after I was a nightly show was still on the air and I, I decided, I think I wanna give this a chance. And I finally had initially I wanted it to just be called Accidental Activists and that was gonna be the title. And I started putting together a book proposal and meeting with literary agents. And I met this great literary agent and she gave me like really good notes on my proposal. She really ripped it apart . Mm-Hmm. . And I was so happy because I had felt like she was the first person I talked to that wasn't like blowing smoke up my ass. She was the first person that was like, this is good, but it could be better. Right. and so she and I worked together for like two months on the proposal and then we went and did a number of meetings. I think we met with like six publishers andMichael Jamin (00:44:28):I And you didn't wanna write it first, you wanted to pitch it first as get it sold first?Franchesca Ramsey (00:44:32):Yeah. So in with non-fiction, you don't have to write it first. With fiction, usually you do have to write it first. Right. If you've written a book before the fiction proposal usually don't have to write the whole thing. But for non-fiction you usually write like two or three chapters mm-hmm. and then you do like a summary of what the book is about and a bio and who you are and, and why this book and you know, what are books that are in the same family as yours and Right. What your plan for press would be and all that stuff. And I'm, you know, I went to school for graphic design, so I made like a really beautiful book proposal with like photos and Oh wow. Artwork and I drew all these little charts and graphs and stuff cuz that's kind of like, I love infographics. And so yeah, we went to maybe six or seven publishers and I got four offers. Wow. And they went kind of head to head and my agent was pitting them against each other. Wow. yeah. And I got a six figure book deal, which was a big deal. .Michael Jamin (00:45:30):That is a big deal. Yeah.Franchesca Ramsey (00:45:32):And thenMichael Jamin (00:45:33):Did they help you, what, you know, promote it, put you on tour?Franchesca Ramsey (00:45:36):Yeah, so I mean, that's part of when you work with a publisher is they have a a publicist, like an in-house. I was at Grand Central Publishing, so they had a publicist and we did a photo shoot for the book. And I spent my own money, like I got a publicist. I also had a website built for the, for the book. And then we did an eight city book tour and I got cities added because I really wanted to do something in Florida where I'm from. And that was where I reached out to some of my contacts from the chamber and got my local Miami bookstore.Michael Jamin (00:46:09):Why these, the only eight cities, though. Like, what, when they say they're putting on tour, like, I don't know.Franchesca Ramsey (00:46:14):Well, they looked at, they looked at the analytics from like my Facebook and my Instagram and, and my YouTube to see like where my audience was at. Okay. And they used that to pick what citiesMichael Jamin (00:46:25):And then people came out. Yeah. And, and you read, you read and signed books.Franchesca Ramsey (00:46:28):Yeah. Yeah. So I kind of, I picked, I reached out to friends in different cities and I had different people as kind of like my co-host in each city. And it was awesome. But it was, it was exhausting. It was really exhausting. And I was doing that at the same time that I was doing my comedy Central pilot. And all of this is to say that like, in that moment I thought like, I'm making it. I was like, I'm making it. I'm like, I'm about to be like a star .Michael Jamin (00:46:55):That's what I would think. But you know,Franchesca Ramsey (00:46:56):It wasn then my showed didn't go. No. Cause then I showed it didn't go. ButMichael Jamin (00:46:59):That's normal. Most shows don't goFranchesca Ramsey (00:47:01):Right. But I didn't know that didn know that. I, I, I didn't know that. I, I thought I'm a failure. Especially because, like, really think about it. Yeah. Well, think about it this way. When, when you, when a pilot gets announced, right? I, this is my first time having a, having a pilot ever. Mm-Hmm. , a pilot gets announced and people that don't work in TV think that means you have a TV show. They're like, where is the show? And I'm like, oh, well I'm making the pilot now. And they're like, well, when does it come out? I'm like, I don't know. It hasn't been ordered a series. So like, people were writing articles about me, like 10 Reasons Franchesca's gonna change late night. And like, we need Franchesca's show. And like, she's amazing. And Larry Wilmore had gotten canceled. So it was like Franchesca Ramsey's gonna be the only black woman late night host. And like all of this hype was coming for me, and my book was coming out and, and, and, and my publisher was really like, this is it. We're gonna time it with the show. And then, and youMichael Jamin (00:47:54):Were believing this too.Franchesca Ramsey (00:47:56):And I was believe of course I was, of course I was believing it. I was like, oh my God, I want this so badly. Yeah. You know? And and hindsight is 2020. Like it was not the show for me. I'm glad that I didn't end up making that show because I, I really don't wanna host a late night show about identity. Right. I, I thought I did, but I don't want to anymore. And so like, when it didn't go to series, and then, well, we, we did the mini room and, and that was kind of like a consolation prize, but even then I was like, it was another year of staffing and, and, and putting the room together and trying to figure out what the show was, and then waiting around for Comedy Central. And then they said, we're not going to series. They were like, well, let's sell it somewhere else. So I was like, shooting these sketches. And we,Michael Jamin (00:48:44):That doesn't, that doesn't happen. . Right. But that so rarely happens, but, okay.Franchesca Ramsey (00:48:47):Right. Well, especially because other networks are like, well, you didn't want it. Why do we want it?Michael Jamin (00:48:51):Yeah. We don't, they don't want damaged goods. You don't,Franchesca Ramsey (00:48:53):You don't. You didn't want it. So now you think I'm gonna make the show. Like, yeah. Right. Again, and I'm just kind of like, I, I'm just like, I'm just going along. Right. Like Right. I'm going and taking these meetings and, and you know, you have meetings and they're like, we love you. You're amazing. You're great. We're passing, you know, .Michael Jamin (00:49:09):Yeah. Yes. I know. All those meetings. .Franchesca Ramsey (00:49:11):Right. And so I was just like, I was just like, oh my God, my career is over. And I got a writing job on yearly Departed, which is was a late an end of the year comedy show. Mm-Hmm. . And that was through Twitter. BES Calb, who was our showrunner, followed me on Twitter. We were friendly, and my reps were like, Hey, there's this late, this end of the year comedy special, do you wanna take a meeting? I took the meeting and Bess was just like, I love you. I think you're super funny. She had read my sample and yeah, it was kind of, it was like a series of eulogies for different things throughout the year. Uhhuh .(00:49:54):And we did it over Zoom Oh, wow. During the Pandemic. And I was still auditioning, and that's when I booked Superstore. I booked Superstore while I was doing Yearly Departed. So I went to LA to do Superstore and it just worked out that it was at the same time that yearly was gonna film. So I got to go be on set and, and Seeba happened. And and after being here for Superstore again in the middle of the pandemic, I was like, I don't really wanna go back to New York. Right. What if I just stay ?Michael Jamin (00:50:25):Well, you, but you're married, aren'tFranchesca Ramsey (00:50:26):You? I was, I got divorced. You was? Okay. I got divorced in 2019.Michael Jamin (00:50:30):Okay. So you don't have to worry about your husband coming overFranchesca Ramsey (00:50:32):Here. No, no. We got divorced before, before I got hired on that show. Yeah. I mean, right. Like the year before the pandemic. Right.Michael Jamin (00:50:42):And then how did I, Carly come about then?Franchesca Ramsey (00:50:45):My managers were just like, Hey, you know, I, I told them I wanted to staff. Right. And so, yeah, I took a meeting with Ally Shelton, who was our showrunner, and again, she read my sample. And I think what she really appreciated was that I had this background as an internet person and mm-hmm. You know, Carly is an internet person personality, and I had actual experience and dealing with trolls and dealing with going viral and Yeah, of course. Live streaming and course bands and social media course. And so Allie was a perfectMichael Jamin (00:51:18):Choice. Yeah.Franchesca Ramsey (00:51:19):Yeah. Allie was like, you really understand this world. And I I came, I went into my meeting and I had watched episodes of iCarly and I pitched some ideas as for what I felt like would be the direction that I would be interested in going in. And and prior to that, I had my friend Shameka that I mentioned that I had met through YouTube. She and I had sold a pilot to Fox. And so I learned a lot about the scripted process through that. Right. Just through development. It was with Kay Cannon and and Kay is amazing. I learned so much from her.Michael Jamin (00:51:55):But was it intimidating for you to be, cuz now you're in out of your element again, you haven't done scripted, soFranchesca Ramsey (00:52:01):It, it wasn't intimidating. I, and I, again, I really feel very fortunate because I was able to work with a friend of mine that I had known for, you know, almost 10 years. And she and I had made YouTube videos together and we had come out to LA for pilot season as actors and we got an apartment together. And through the audition process we were like, all of these scripts are bad, we could fucking do this. Right. We were like, we could write a script better than this. . Yeah. Right. And so we wrote like a treatment. We didn't even write a full script. And then we, through our agents, went and took a bunch of meetings and we met with Amy PO's company. Mm-Hmm. . We, we went to Kay Cannon, which is K and l. We went to a whole bunch of places, but Kay and Laverne, her business partner, we just, we just loved them. And they were like, we wanna develop this with you. And so they really taught us how to develop and structure a scripted pitch. ThatMichael Jamin (00:52:57):Was the Fox show.Franchesca Ramsey (00:52:58):Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I had never pitched a scripted project before. Everything was like sketched late night. Yeah. Variety. And so yeah, off of that, again, we didn't go to series, but we wrote the pilot. And so I used that as like a sample, even though I'd written it with someone else. And then I had a sample that I'd written by myself, and then I had like all my decoded videos and I had sketches from my Comedy Central pilot an

An expert on disenfranchised grief, Laverne McKinnon is a Japanese American Career and Executive Leadership Coach who supports ambitious, driven people who have hit a speed bump regain momentum and make their next big move. For a significant part of her career, Laverne was a successful programming executive with stints as Senior Vice-President of Drama Development at CBS, and as Executive Vice-President of Original Programming & Development at EPIX. She was also Head of Television at Charlize Theron's production company, Denver and Delilah. Laverne is the Executive Producer of the Netflix series GIRLBOSS and co-founder of K&L Productions, a film & television company created with Kay Cannon. Laverne is also a certified grief counselor, a cognitive behavioral therapist and neuro-linguistics practitioner, and a Reiki master-in-training. Laverne is an adjunct professor at Northwestern University's MS Leadership for Creative Enterprises program where she teaches courses in Persuasion & Pitching and Ethics. During episode 501 of Moxielicious®, Laverne McKinnon and I talk about how to navigate disenfranchised grief. More specifically, we discuss: What it means to go for a “moonshot” How grief, specifically disenfranchised loss, impacts our work and our wellbeing What most people get wrong about disenfranchised grief Why emotional intelligence is essential to navigating disenfranchised grief (our own grief and the grief of our clients or employees) Resources Mentioned in This Episode: Learn more about Laverne and her approach to disenfranchised grief here. Connect with Laverne on Facebook and Instagram. Please leave a review and subscribe to Moxielicious® via Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, Google Play, or Spotify so you never miss an episode!

01:12 Intro 08:45 Cinderella 11:30 How did she get started writing? 13:10 Getting 30 Rock 20:31 Her favorite 30 Rock joke 25:45 Her sizzle reel - Pitch Perfect 28:55 Casting Rebel Wilson 31:15 Blockers 33:52 BetOnline.AG 35:11 Athletic Greens 41:30 What is Kay working on now? 43:10 What are you watching?   Watch Cinderella on Amazon Prime and in select theaters.   Follow us all on twitter @jennyjohnsonhi5 @dannyzuker @kaykaycannon @doinitpodcast @theguydf

This podcast covers New Girl Season 3, Episode 2, Nerd, which originally aired on September 24, 2013 and was written by Kay Cannon and directed by Fred Goss. Here's a quick recap of the episode:Jess doesn't fit in with the teachers at her new school so Nick comes to the rescue! Schmidt spends the episode trying to balance his relationship with Cece and Elizabeth while his coworker Beth tries to sabotage it and Winston watches Daisy's cat, Ferguson.We discuss Pop Culture References such as:Mad Men / Don Draper / Peggy [Olson] / Don Draper's Office - When Schmidt is showing Elizabeth his office, he comments that it is a ⅔ replica of Don Draper's office from the television show Mad Men and he fantasized about Elizabeth being his “sexy Peggy”. Additional Pop Culture References such as:“I Believe I Can Fly” - R. Kelly - When the guys needed to wake Jess up to go to work, they sang her the song “I Believe I Can Fly”, which is a 1996 song written and performed by American singer R. Kelly. The song was originally from the soundtrack to the 1996 film Space Jam.James Taylor - Nick told Jess not to worry because she's “Nick Miller's girl now. [She's] my old lady,” to which Jess thought he was talking like a James Taylor song. James Vernon Taylor is an American singer, songwriter, and musician, who was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2000 and has won six Grammy Awards. He is one of the best-selling music artists of all time, having sold more than 100 million records worldwide. “What's Up?” - 4 Non Blondes - When Jess is standing on the toilet while drunk, she is singing the song “What's Up?” This song was released as the second single from American Rock group, 4 Non Blondes', 1992 debut album, Bigger, Better, Faster, More!. It reached number 14 on the US Billboard Hot 100 but was number one in many other countries. From San Francisco, 4 Non Blondes were active from 1989 to 1994 and “What's Up?” was their most popular song. On our new section of our podcast called “Most Likely To” we discussed who we think would be most likely to be like Beth, steal their partner's cat, commit a crime to fit in, and sneak into their boss's hot tub but not get caught. We also covered when Schmidt went to go see Cece to uninvite her from his work party as our “Schmidtism” this episode. For “Not in the 2020s” we highlighted the way Elizabeth spoke about people from Hong Kong and Dr. Foster forcing Nick and Jess into his hot tub. Our “Yes in the 2020s” included Winston standing up for himself and Nick helping Jess get new friends. We also explored the careers of Dreama Walker (Molly), Mark Proksch (Dan), and Angela Kinsey (Rose), the guest stars of the episode. We also mentioned this article about Mark pranking the news as a "yo-yo master".Also in this episode were the following guest stars who we do not discuss in the podcast: Merritt Wever (Elizabeth - Previously discussed in S2E22), Eva Amurri (Beth - Previously discussed in S1E8), Curtis Armstrong (Dr. Foster - Previously discussed in S2E24), Brenda Song (Daisy - Previously discussed in S2E23), Grace Holley (Hot Girl), Sergio Cilli (Director), Jimmy Kaplanges (Jimmy), and Erika Stillwater (Hot Girl #2).We didn't find the bear this episode but we did discuss how Schmidt being a Sagittarius but having a January birthday didn't match and an AV club article that mentioned the belief that less lines were ad-libbed in this season.While not discussed in the podcast, we noted other references in this episode including:Shorty - This episode Schmidt tried to call Cece “shorty” in public. Shawty, shorty, or shortie is an American slang term used as a term of endearment for an attractive woman or a girlfriend, that was particularly popular in hip hop from the 2000s. Hacky Sack - In a flashback we see that Nick used to be popular as he was good at the game Hacky Sack. "Hacky Sack" is the name of a brand of footbag popular in the 1970s, which has since become a generic trademark. A footbag is a small, round bag usually filled with plastic pellets or sand, which is kicked into the air as part of a competitive game. This episode got a 7/10 rating from Kritika and an 8.5/10 from Kelly and we both had the same favorite character: Nick!Thanks for listening and stay tuned for Episode 3!Music: "Hotshot” by scottholmesmusic.comFollow us on Twitter, Instagram or email us at whosthatgirlpod@gmail.com!Website: https://smallscreenchatter.com/

To celebrate International Women's Day, which falls on March 8th, Bababam is playing Do You Really Know episodes which look at the struggle against inequalities between women and men. All week long, discover ideas and concepts which promote female empowerment. What is Cinderella complex? Cinderella is perhaps the archetypal Disney princess, with her legacy living on generations after its cinema release in 1950. Indeed, American screenwriter Kay Cannon wrote and directed a romantic musical version of the old fairytale in autumn 2021. But poor Cinders has come in for slack from some quarters for being too dependent, and portraying an old-fashioned idea of femininity. In the 1980s, she even had a syndrome named after her. As part of our IWD 2022 celebrations, let's consider how the Cinderella complex affects some women, and what can be done to continue progress in the area. Who theorised the Cinderella Complex then? What's the link with Cinderella? Isn't Cinderella an abuse victim though? In under 3 minutes, we answer your questions! To listen to the last episodes, you can click here: [WOMEN'S DAY] What is emotional labour? [WOMEN'S DAY] What is a false pregnancy? [WOMEN'S DAY] What is International Women's Day? A podcast written and realised by Joseph Chance. In partnership with upday UK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Cine-Files is kicking off "The Season of Lee" with a deep dive into the life and work of one of the greatest filmmakers of the last 40 years. Joining John & Steve for this conversation are some of their favorite people in the world, Jay Washington, Kay Cannon, Winston A. Marshall and Andre Gordon. This is a truly incredible conversation about an incredible filmmaker. So if you want to do a deep dive into the world of Spike Lee, there is no better place to start than right here.... https://www.cine-files.net/269-the-life-and-films-of-spike-lee Don't forget to support The Cine-Files at https://www.patreon.com/TheCineFiles and purchase any film we feature at https://www.cine-files.net Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheCineFilesPod/?ref=bookmarks John @therochasays Steve @srmorris The Cine-Files Twitter @cine_files Instagram thecinefilespodcast --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thecine-files/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/thecine-files/support

We are thrilled to launch the new season of REACH: A Space Podcast for Kids with Dr. James Green,  formerly NASA's Chief Scientist and now NASA Scientist and Senior Advisor and host of the Gravity Assist Podcast, who shared his experience and expertise on everything from starting  NASA's first internet and conducting groundbreaking research, to having an asteroid named after him, and more. Then we are lucky enough to be visited by a Comet (as voiced by the incomparable Kay Cannon) - all on this episode of REACH. Hosts: Brian Holden and Meredith Stepien Written by: Sandy Marshall with Nate DuFort, Meredith Stepien and Brian Holden. Co-Created, Produced by: Nate DuFort and Sandy Marshall Edited by: Nate DuFortMusic composed by: Jesse CaseCasting Consultant: Beth Kligerman Logo by: Steven Lyons Special thanks to Dr. James Green, NASA Scientist and Senior Advisor and host of the Gravity Assist podcast. Listen to Gravity Assist via NASA.gov or wherever you get your podcasts.Comet was voiced by the incomparable Kay Cannon, who you know from the Pitch Perfect films and as the writer/director of Cinderella starring Camila Cabello available to stream now on Amazon Prime. Follow Kay online at @KayKayCannon.We'd also like to offer a special thanks to Kay Ferrari at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Liz Landau, and to everyone at NASA Space Place. Dr. James Green:https://www.nasa.gov/offices/ocs/chief-scientist_bioDr. James Green: TED Talkhttps://www.ted.com/talks/james_green_3_moons_and_a_planet_that_could_have_alien_life#t-20694NASA Gravity Assist Podcasthttps://www.nasa.gov/gravity-assistAll about Cometshttps://spaceplace.nasa.gov/comet-quest/en/

En attendant le retour de Quoi de Meuf, le dimanche 9 janvier, Nouvelles Ecoutes vous propose de réécouter cet épisode indémodable et plus que jamais d'actualité, sur le "féminisme-washing". Le « féminisme-washing » est un processus utilisé par plusieurs entreprises. Leur but ? Mettre en avant une pensée et des messages féministes sans pour autant y adhérer, à des fins mercantiles. Dans cet épisode, Clémentine Gallot et Anne-Laure Pineau s'intéressent aux liens entre publicité, capitalisme, entreprises et féminisme: comment reçoit-on ces messages? Quels en sont leurs effets ? Les références entendues dans l'épisode : Léa Lejeune, Féminisme Washing, Seuil (2021)La société VINCI est une multinationale des concessions et de la construction. Le nom de l'action mise en place en 2010: « Pour aux yeux » L'association Breast Cancer Association et son site thinkbeforeyoupinkStephan Dahl, « The rise of pride marketing and the curse of ‘pink washing' », The conversation (2014)La campagne Dove, pensée par l'agence Ogivly: “Real beauty”La campagne d'Always et de l'agence Publicis: “Like a girl”Sara Casaus, « Did Emily Weiss foster a culture of racism at Glossier? », Film daily (2020)Margaux Krehl, « Business: Assiste-t-on vraiment à la chute de la « girlboss » ? », Vanityfair (2020)L'association Les Chiennes de Garde est fondée le 8 mars 1999. Son site: chiennesdegarde.fr« Image de la femme: Il y a toujours du sexisme à vendre », L'humanité L'agence fondée en 2012 par Christelle Delarue: Mad & Women. L'association fondée par Christelle Delarue: Les LionnesLa campagne l'Oral sur l'agisme: « The non issue » La newsletter Les Glorieuse est fondée par Rebecca Amselem Le spectacle de Laurent Sciamma: Bonhomme Martin Winckler, C'est mon corps, L'Iconoclaste (2020)Le magazine Causette a été fondé en 2009, par Gregory Lassus-Debat et Gilles Bonjour.Le magazine Madmoizelle a été fondé en 2005 par Fabrice Florent.Le magazine Bitch Media a été fondé en 1996 par Andi ZeislerAndi Zeisler, We were Feminists Once: From Riot Grrrl to CoverGirl®, the Buying and Selling of a Political Movement, PublicAffairs (1ère édition, 2016)Alexandra Rae Hunt, « Selling Empowerment: A Critical Analysis of Femvertising », Boston College University Libraries (2017)La Déferlante est une revue trimestrielle, fondée par Marie Barbier, Lucie Geffroy, Emmanuelle Josse et Marion Pillas. Le premier numéro est sorti en Mars 2021. The bold Type, de Sarah Watson (depuis 2017)Morgan Noll « Aisha Dee Is Pushing for More Diversity on ‘The Bold Type' After Controversial Storyline », HelloGiggles (2020)Chaïma Tounsi-Chaïbdraa, « Blackwashing: pourquoi la diversité dans les séries et les films fait-elle encore débat? », Allociné (2020)Sophie Slater, « Don't blame Beyoncé for the harsh lives of garment makers », The Guardian (2016)Buffy the vampire slayer, de Joss Whedon (1997-2003)Emily in Paris, de Darren Star, Netflix (depuis 2020) Girlboss, de Kay Cannon (2017)« Editorial: Netflix must do more to promote proper feminism », The Charlatan (2020)It's a Sin, de Russell T Davies, Canal+ (2021)Mathilde Forget, De mon plein gré, Grasset (2021)Madame Claude, de Sylvie Verheyde, Netflix (2021)Quoi de Meuf est une émission de Nouvelles Écoutes, cet épisode est conçu et présenté par Clémentine Gallot et Anne-Laure Pineau. Mixage Laurie Galligani. Prise de son par Adrien Beccaria à l'Arrière Boutique. Générique réalisé par Aurore Meyer Mahieu. Réalisation, Montage et coordination Ashley Tola.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Rebels! If a dream is a wish your heart makes, then what the hell caused this to exist? Our Rebel crew watched the reimagining of "Cinderella" (2021) and not even the ICON that is Billy Porter could save this film from our review.Cinderella (2021) Directed and written by Kay Cannon. Starring Camila Cabello, Billy Porter, and Nicholas Galitzine. A modern movie musical with a bold take on the classic fairy tale. Our ambitious heroine has big dreams and with the help of her fab Godmother, she perseveres to make them come true.Hear this episode early on Patreon!  http://patreon.com/rwacpodMerch Store: https://rwacshop.online/RWACpod on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/rwacpodFollow on IG:  @RWACpodWhere to find the Rebels:Stefan: @sjmaroni on IGBearSailorMoon: @bearsailormooonon all social mediaCarlotta Carlisle: @carlottacarlisle on IG / Carlotta1987 on RedBubbleChad: @cski01 on IGPJ: @xndra_design on IGStu: @janikon_ on IG & TikTok

This podcast covers New Girl Season 2, Episode 22, Bachelorette Party, which originally aired on April 9, 2013 and was directed by Matt Sohn and written by Kay Cannon and Sophia Lear.Here's a quick recap of the episode:After the loft receives their wedding invites and finds out that Cece's wedding is in 3 weeks, Jess plans Cece her “perfect” bachelorette party. Meanwhile, Schmidt goes looking for a girlfriend to bring a plus one to Cece's wedding.We discuss Pop Culture References such as:Bachelor / Bachelorette Parties - In this episode, Jess throws Cece a Bachelorette Party. Additional Pop Culture References such as:Gérard Depardieu - When Schmidt busts into Cece's apartment, rather than answer who he is to Cece's Auntie, he says he's Gérard Depardieu. Gérard Xavier Marcel Depardieu is a French actor known for performances in The Last Metro, Police, Jean de Florette, and Cyrano de Bergerac. He was granted citizenship of Russia in January 2013 and became a cultural ambassador of Montenegro in the same month.Alyssa Milano - ​​When trying to convince Cece he could get a partner by the time of her wedding, he mentioned he “once figured out Alyssa Milano's phone number just by randomly choosing numbers.” Alyssa Jayne Milano is an American actress, producer, singer, author, and activist. As an actor, she's known for her roles in Who's the Boss?, Melrose Place, Charmed, and My Name Is Earl. As a political activist, she's known for her role in the Me Too movement.Jane Lynch - It was joked that Nick looked like Jane Lynch while wearing his dad's yellow track suit. Jane Marie Lynch is an American actress, comedian, and author. She is known for starring as Sue Sylvester (who wore a lot of tracksuits) in the Fox musical comedy series Glee, which earned her a Primetime Emmy Award. In 2013, Lynch received the 2,505th star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame in the television category. [Robin] Williams - Shivrang is “baffled” why the US “refuses to embrace Robbie Williams”. Robin McLaurin Williams was an American actor and comedian. Known for his improvisational skills and the wide variety of characters he created, he is regarded as one of the best comedians of all time. “Candy Shop” - 50 Cent - Alfredo, the stripper, played this song when he was trying to do his strip dance. "Candy Shop" is the second single by rapper 50 Cent from his second commercial album, The Massacre. "Candy Shop" peaked at number one on the Billboard Hot 100, becoming 50 Cent's third number one single and fifth top-ten single. The song was nominated for Best Rap Song at the 2006 Grammy Awards and the music video was nominated for Best Male Video at the 2005 MTV Video Music Awards.We also cover Schmidt explaining why he goes to Booty Burn Bootcamp as our “Schmidtism” this episode. For our “Not in the 2020s” we discuss Schmidt and Elizabeth's relationship, how Nick and Winston tried to get a picture of Shivrang's penis, Schmidt demanding a +1, and Schmidt thinking women are supposed to want commitment. For our “Yes in the 2020s” we highlight Schmidt apologizing to Cece. We also give a brief look into Merritt Wever (Elizabeth), the Guest Star we feature in this episode.Also in this episode were the following guest stars who we do not discuss in the podcast: Satya Bhabha (Shivrang - Previously discussed in S2E18), June Diane Raphael (Sadie - Previously discussed in S1E15), Rebecca Ballantine Reid (Nadia - Previously discussed in S1E22), Lauren Dair Owens (Young Jess - Previously discussed in S2E5), Sudha Desai (Grandmother), Frank Cappello (Male Stripper), Britni Stanwood (Model - Previously Appeared in S2E5), Margarita Kallas (Model #2), Eugenia Kuzmina (Svetlana), Talia Toms (Hot Girl #1), Katie Walder (Cheryl - Previously Appeared in S1E8), Cynthia Murell (Hot Girl #3), Jaidan Jiron (Young Cece), and Roma Chugani (Ankita).In this podcast, we call out a few camera goofs like how you see Jess say “Not Now Alfredo” but don't actually hear her speak (around 13:20) and how when Schmidt knocks on Elizabeth's door, it was never closed (around 15:50). We also share this article (which contains spoilers) where we learned that Elizabeth serves as a foil for Cece because Elizabeth tries to make Schmidt a better guy. Elizabeth Meriwether also mentions the inspiration for the idea of the “dead dad pass.”While not discussed in the podcast, we noted other references in this episode including:Shandy - When Shivrang is hanging out at the bar with Nick and Winston, he asks them if they want a shandy. A shandy is a beer mixed with either a lemon or lemon-lime flavored beverage that is popular in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and Canada.This episode got a 7/10 Rating from Kritika whose favorite character was Shivrang and Kelly rated this episode a 7.5/10 and her favorite character was Jess!Thanks for listening and stay tuned for Episode 23!Music: "Hotshot” by scottholmesmusic.comFollow us on Twitter, Instagram or email us at whosthatgirlpod@gmail.com!Website: https://smallscreenchatter.com/

Host Monique Sorgen talks with screenwriter-director Kay Cannon (the Pitch Perfect franchise) about reimagining Cinderella as a bold, new Amazon musical.

IT'S DAD MONTH, Y'ALL! We're kicking things off with a listener request featuring our very good dad Pierce once again just absolutely thriving in the campiest dad roles of our generation. And while we can't agree that anyone was clamoring for Jeff Bezos' Cinderella, we ARE clamoring for Pierce Dad's Oscar for this role. We've got lots of thoughts about what injustice Bezos has inflicted on us this time, like using his space technology to create CGI mice, subjecting us to an hours-long montage to Let's Get Loud, and letting James Corden do dick jokes. After we spend roughly an hour questioning WHO IS THIS FOR? we have some fun new segments like creating Mamma Mia board games, the Sam Heughan James Bond Google Alerts Temperature Check™️, and forgetting to tell you about Dad Month until the last minute of the show. Stay tuned for the next installment of Dad Month: Billboard Dad!

In this episode, Rosa and Cat chat about Hispanic/Latinx Heritage month and what the term Latinx means to them. And they review three films:  Kate (2021) on Netflix  Slipped a fatal poison on her final job, a ruthless Tokyo assassin has less than 24 hours to find out who ordered the hit and exact revenge. Bob Ross: Happy Accidents, Betrayal & Greed (2021) on Netflix  TV host Bob Ross ("The Joy of Painting") brings joy to millions as the world's most famous art instructor. However, a battle for his business empire casts a shadow over his happy trees. Cinderella (2021) on Amazon Prime Video Written and directed by Kay Cannon, it stars singer Camila Cabello as the title character in her acting debut, alongside Idina Menzel, Minnie Driver, Nicholas Galitzine, Billy Porter, and Pierce Brosnan. Support us on Patreon!  Please Rate, Review & Subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts! And make sure to follow us on Twitter and Instagram @latinxlens Follow Catherine on Twitter @thingscatloves & @shuffleonline Follow Rosa on Twitter and Instagram @rosasreviews Latinx Lens is part of the ShuffleOnline.net Podcast network Theme Music by David Rosen

This week on Out Takes, we celebrated the release of CINDERELLA on Amazon Prime. From director Kay Cannon, CINDERELLA is a new juke box musical starring Camila Cabello, Idina Menzel... LEARN MORE The post Cinderella and MISS appeared first on Out Takes.

Casey and Danielle are joined in the virtual nook by the writer/director extraordinaire of the new Cinderella movie, Kay Cannon! Kay is a fervent/borderline addictive fan of the franchise we all love/hate so much and she shares deep insights regarding Lisa Barlow's betrayal of Meredith, why Harry Hamlin is her Brad Pitt and why the editing of Karen Huger's "Surry Tourism Video" deserves an EGOT. Enjoy!

We're back! And with Season Two we ring in a new season AND a new name. We've put the Mandemic behind us and we're looking ahead to neon signs and decorative gas pump covers, empty beer bottles and over-sexualized mudflaps. We're still talking about the things that entertain and offend us, but this time we're doing it from the comfort of our hand-me-down blue leather couch... Welcome to the MandCave, Cinderella... This week on the show we're talking about the latest update to the fairy tale classic, Cinderella. This time out, Camila Cabello dons the dress with the aid of Billy Porter as the "Fabulous Godmother", Idena Menzel, Pierce Brosnan, Minnie Driver, and James Corden along with a talented cast of young actors. Kay Cannon directs, her directorial follow-up to Blockers from 2018, and we have serious crushes on her. We disagree, true to form, but likely not how you'd expect. Something you will ABSOLUTELY expect, a tawdry game of FMK with Disney princes and princesses. This is our chance to get freaky with our childhood crushes. Become a Fandy... wait what? A FANDY? Yes, a Fandy. Like what we do? Want to make sure we can keep doing it and pay our fabulous producing team to keep the lights on? Then we need your help to do it. Just visit the MandCave to learn more and sign up today. You'll get episodes a early, access to our brand new MandCave channels in the TruStory Discord server, and — in all seriousness — our deepest thanks.

This week on the Act 3 podcast, Steven and Chandler fully nerd out over the marketing and teaser trailer for "The Matrix Resurrections." Get in on the trailer breakdown and see if you're excited about this movie at the same level that the Act 3 boys are. There's also news about Disney's next attempt to translate their Haunted Mansion attraction to film and the new project from director Christopher Nolan. Plus, it's been 6 years since there was a big screen adaptation of the classic fairy-tale Cinderella, so it seems like it's time for another one of those. Steven and Chandler have watched "Cinderella" from director Kay Cannon and starring Camila Cabella, and you can to since it's streaming on Amazon Prime Video! See if you agree with their take, all in this episode of Act 3! Time Codes: Act One: News -05:20- Owen Wilson joins LaKeith Stanfield and Tiffany Haddish in The Haunted Mansion-08:15- Halloween Kills will release on Peacock Premium-12:00- Christopher Nolan's next movie is about WWII and Robert Oppenheimer-22:30- The Matrix Resurrections gets a trailer, and the crowd goes wild Act Two: What We're Watching -36:30- Steven: We Bought A Zoo, Vacation Friends-45:50- Chandler: The Gateway  Act Three: Featured Topic -54:30- Discussing Cinderella, Amazon's latest take on the beloved fairy tale, starring Camila Cabello See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

01:12 Intro 08:45 Cinderella 11:30 How did she get started writing? 13:10 Getting 30 Rock 20:31 Her favorite 30 Rock joke 25:45 Her sizzle reel - Pitch Perfect 28:55 Casting Rebel Wilson* 31:15 Blockers 33:51 BetOnline.ag - Code NFL100 35:06 BUYRAYCON.COM/DOINIT FOR 15% OFF 41:30 What is Kay working on now? 43:10 What are you watching?   Watch Cinderella on Amazon Prime and in select theaters.   Follow us all on twitter @jennyjohnsonhi5 @dannyzuker @kaykaycannon @doinitpodcast @theguydf

On this special interview episode of The Geek Buddies, we welcome director, screenwriter, actress and all around funny lady Kay Cannon to the show to talk with us about her latest film, Cinderella. Kay discusses her journey modernizing Cinderella, casting and working with Camilla Cabello, what it was like directing this film during a pandemic, how Billy Porter came to be the Fabulous G, what she hopes the film symbolizes for young people everywhere and more!Remember to Like and Share this episode on your social media and to Subscribe to The Outlaw Nation YouTube channel below.#Cinderella #KayCannon #CamillaCabelloTo become a Patron of John Rocha and The Outlaw Nation, go to https://www.patreon.com/johnrocha​​​​​​Follow John Rocha: https://twitter.com/TheRochaSays​​​​​Follow Michael Vogel: https://twitter.com/mktoonFollow Shannon McClung: https://twitter.com/Shannon_McClung--- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/the-geek-buddies/message

Dylan and Connor are joined by Maddie Baillio (Cinderella, Hairspray Live). This kiki is marvelousssss. They discuss the RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars 6 finale, working with Ginger Minj in Dumplin, having sleepovers with Ariana Grande, transforming oneself, working with Idina Menzel and Camila Cabello, Ask Jeeves, new Kacey Musgraves music, the need for more James Marsden in musicals, partying with the stars, lessons from Kristin Chenoweth, getting cast in Hairspray Live, playing the iconic role of Tracy Turnblad, and starring in Kay Cannon's musical remake of Cinderella.Follow Maddie on Twitter & InstagramLAST CHANCE to celebrate the #SummerOfDRAMA with limited edition merchandise!Follow DRAMA. on Twitter & InstagramFollow Connor MacDowell on Twitter & InstagramFollow Dylan MacDowell on Twitter & InstagramEdited by DylanHERE is where you find official DRAMA. merch!SUBSCRIBE TO OUR PATREON HERE! Be the first to get our new merch, hear bonus episodes, and more!Please subscribe on Apple Podcasts, rate us 5 stars, and leave a kind review!

It's the movie that ended it all. Now available on Amazon Prime, Cinderella is the latest badaptation of the classic story, this time in musical form. Directed by Kay Cannon (Blockers) and starring Camila Cabello, along with some other recognizable faces who are probably regretting their involvement, this jukebox Glee monstrosity might have broken our hearts. And our brains. The cast includes Idina Menzel, Minnie Driver, Nicholas Galitzine, Billy Porter, Pierce Brosnan, and the society we live in. This review is an excerpt from Episode #236 of the Cinemaholics Podcast. Our intro music this week is “New Beginnings” by Umys. Links: Find more of our movie reviews on Cinemaholics.com Follow us on Twitter: Jon Negroni, Will Ashton Support our show on Patreon. Follow Cinemaholics on Facebook and Twitter.  Send us an email via cinemaholicspodcast [at] gmail.com. Leave us a voicemail on The “Swell” App. Shop our Cinemaholics merch page for hoodies, shirts, and more! Support our show on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cinemaholics See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today on Wussy Movie Club, we are boldly discussing the 2021 musical reimagining of the fairy tale classic, ‘Cinderella' on Amazon Prime.    The film is helmed by Kay Cannon, best known as the writer of the Pitch Perfect franchise, and stars Camila Cabelo, Billy Porter, and Idina Menzel.    Joining us today to break down the fashion, the herstory, and the queerness of “Cinderella” is our producer, Jon Dean.   WUSSY Movie Club is a weekly roundtable movie podcast with a Queer lens, featuring themed seasons and special interviews with Queer filmmakers. Every Wednesday, a rotating cast of LGBTQIA+ voices will dish on their favorite films of past and present. Join the club and be a part of the discussion!   WUSSY Movie Club is part of the WUSSY Podcast Network, hosted by WUSSY Mag (@wussymag)   Produced by Jon Dean @jondeanphoto   Podcast Art created by Nick Sheridan @glass.knuckles   Podcast Music by DJ Helix @1djhelix Join the WUSSY Movie Club on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wussymovieclub/    Follow WUSSY Movie Club on Facebook  https://www.facebook.com/WussyMovieClub/

Kay Cannon achieved a ton of critical praise for her directorial debut "Blockers," and now her follow-up film, "Cinderella," is currently streaming on Amazon Prime Video for the world to see. Kay was kind enough to take the time to talk to us about her experience making the film, working with the actors, reimagining a classic story, creating a live-action musical, and more! Take a listen down below and enjoy! Check out more on NextBestPicture.com Please subscribe on... SoundCloud - https://soundcloud.com/nextbestpicturepodcast iTunes Podcasts - https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/negs-best-film-podcast/id1087678387?mt=2 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7IMIzpYehTqeUa1d9EC4jT And be sure to help support us on Patreon for as little as $1 a month at https://www.patreon.com/NextBestPicture

Special guest Adonis Gonzalez returns for an action-packed review of Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. No, this isn't an arthouse remake of one of those Sonic movies, though the rings do look suspiciously familiar. This is the latest movie in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, their first Asian-led superhero flick, in fact. Later in the show, we also review Cinderella, a new musical adaptation of the classic story directed by Kay Cannon and starring Camila Cabello, which is now streaming on Amazon Prime. Then we cover the new 9/11 awards-bait drama, Worth, a Sundance 2020 release that is now available to stream on Netflix, which stars Michael Keaton, Stanley Tucci, and Amy Ryan. Show Notes: 00:00:00 – Intro  00:05:30 – Jon recommends Afterlife of the Party on Netflix 00:11:25 – Shang-Chi review 00:54:10 – Cinderella review 01:30:35 – Worth review Intro Music: “New Beginnings” by Umys Links: Follow us on Twitter: Jon Negroni, Will Ashton Check out our Cinemaholics Merch! Leave us a voicemail using The “Swell” App. We post new prompts every week or so. Check out our Patreon to support Cinemaholics! Email your feedback to cinemaholicspodcast [at] gmail.com. Connect with Cinemaholics on Facebook and Twitter. Support our show on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cinemaholics See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Bibbidi bobbidi boo, it's the Popcorn Podcast Cinderella review! Leigh and Tim clash over this modern take on the classic fairytale featuring music stars Camila Cabello and Idina Menzel, now streaming on Amazon Prime Video. Plus, the new Expendables movie in the works, Francis Ford Coppola lays it all on the line and Roland Emmerich's Moonfall comes crashing to earth.Visit popcornpodcast.com for more movie reviews, celebrity interviews and news.Popcorn Podcast interviews the biggest stars, including Hugh Jackman and more, on YouTube: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMbnsLGBKE8Wp37PLyR-7l9IyUbajOrDdMore on Amazon Prime Video: primevideo.com

On this week's ScreenPicks movie podcast, Kit Bowen and Joel Amos review the following: Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, starring Simu Liu, Tony Leung, Awkwafina, Michelle Yeoh, Meng'er Zhang; directed by Destin Daniel Cretton (in theaters) Cinderella, Camila Cabello, Idina Menzel, Nicholas Galitzine, Billy Porter, Pierce Brosnan, Minnie Driver; directed by Kay Cannon (streaming on Amazon Prime) Tune in!

Mark and Simon's guests are director Phyllida Lloyd and producer Sharon Horgan, who talk about their new film Herself, about a young mother who escapes her abusive husband and fights back against a broken housing system. Mark reviews Leos Carax's collaboration with Ron and Russell Mael of Sparks, Annette; Misha and the Wolves, the story of a woman whose holocaust memoir took the world by storm; Marvel's Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, about the master of unarmed weaponry-based Kung Fu, who is forced to confront his past after being drawn into the Ten Rings organization; drama The Champion of Auschwitz, the story of the pre-war boxing champion Tadeusz "Teddy" Pietrzykowski, who in 1940 arrives with the first transport of prisoners to the newly created concentration camp; Here Today, Billy Crystal's comedy drama about a veteran comedy writer who meets a New York street singer; Wildfire, the story of two sisters who grew up on the fractious Irish border; and Kay Cannon's modern take on Cinderella. Plus we'll be attempting to solve those maddening movies you half-remember from years ago in WTF - What's That Film. Mark and Simon also talk you through the best and worst films on subscription-free TV next week, and recommend a home entertainment purchase in DVD of the Week. Send us your sub 20 second instant reaction to any film attached to an email to mayo@bbc.co.uk for our feature ‘Lobby Correspondents'. Download our podcast from the Baby Sea Clowns app. We welcome your contributions: Email: mayo@bbc.co.uk Twitter: @wittertainment 03.44- Correspondence 16.34- Welcome 20.20- Celebrating Cinema 24.36- Box Office Top Ten 37.10- WTF 43.45- Shang-Chi review 49.33- Herself, interview with Phyllida Lloyd 1.02.01- Cinderella review 1.08.10- WTF 1.11.30- Annette 1.18.30- TV Movies of the Week 1.22.50- Here Today review 1.28.35- Correspondence 1.33.00- WTF 1.34.35- Wildfire review 1.44.10- Misha and the Wolves review 1.49.37- Champion of Auschwitz review 1.53.30- Correspondence 1.58.13- DVD of the week

Danny recaps this week's THRILLING episode of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, properly titled "Dinner Party From Hell: Part 2." After the RHOBH recap, Danny touches on The Real Housewives of New York finale. Joining Danny for the last 25 minutes of the show is Kay Cannon, Bravo fan and writer/director of the new Cinderella movie (out September 3 on Amazon)! Kay also talks about writing on 30 Rock, her movie Blockers, whether or not she'll write another Pitch Perfect film, and more!RHONY: 42:00ishKay Cannon Interview: 45:20ish*To support this pod & access bonus episodes, visit Patreon.com/EverythingIconicLINKS:YouTube.com/DannyPellegrino1Twitter.com/DannyPellegrinoInstagram.com/DannyPellegrinoFacebook.com/PellegrinoDannyStore: EverythingIconic.store/ See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Welcome back everyone to our competitive film podcast; Cine it to Win it! where two friends fight films for fun! This week we have two very different superhero movies and Lebron James - so let's jump right in! Timestamps: 0:00 - The warm up (intro) 04:23 - Black Widow review 21:17 - The Suicide Squad review 40:45 - Space Jam: A New Legacy review 52:19 - The Empire Strikes Back! South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut review 65:29 - The bonus features: Blockers, The Siege, Young Guns 2, Superman: Doomsday, Justice League: The New Frontier, Batman: The Long Halloween, Ted Lasso, Death's Door 82:05 - The warm down (outro) Thank you all for listening. If you enjoyed the episode please consider subscribing and leaving a rating, it would really go a long way. Catch you all next week! Email: cineittowinit@gmail.com Twitter: @cine_it Instagram: @cineittowinit Tags: Movies, Films, Latest, Releases, Review, Contest, Gameshow, Competition, Friendly, Rounds, Television, Games, News, VoD, Streaming, Netflix, Amazon Prime, HBOMax, Disney Plus, Apple TV Plus, Scarlett Johansson, Cate Shortland, Black Widow, Idris Elba, James Gunn, The Suicide Squad, LeBron James, Don Cheadle, Malcolm D. Lee, Space Jam: A New Legacy, Trey Parker, South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut, John Cena, Kay Cannon, Blockers, Denzel Washington, Edward Swick, The Siege, Emilio Estevez, Geoff Murphy, Young Guns 2 Intro & Outro Music Coming for You by NEFFEX, https://smarturl.it/neffex_soundcloud

Longtime Boston Red Sox announcer Joe Castiglione and guest host Ben Lyons discuss his storied career in Boston, sharing his favorite memories over the years behind the mic.   Ben, Chris Brockman and TJ Jefferson react to Josh Allen's HUGE contract from the Bills and debate if it's worth the risk to give big money to young players before they've proven than can consistently play at a high level year after year.   Emmy-winning Writer/Director Kay Cannon tells Ben how she, a Chicago Bears fan, got members of the Green Bay Packers to appear in ‘Pitch Perfect 2,' why John Cena is not shy about dropping trou at a moment's notice and why her new live-action version of ‘Cinderella' on Amazon Prime is the most challenging film she's made to-date. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

ESPN's Sarah Spain and guest host Ben Lyons discuss the Cubs jettisoning their core of all-star players and the Bulls' big splash in NBA free agency, her involvement as part owner of the Chicago Red Stars soccer team and the USWNT's disappointing bronze medal at the Olympics, when Chicago fans can expect to see Justin Fields as the Bears' starting QB and the possibility the team could move from Soldier Field to the suburbs.     The guys discuss the most random photos they have on their cellphones with Ben sharing some VERY head-scratching pics that will leave you asking ‘WTF'???    With Team USA earning a spot in the Olympic Basketball gold medal game, Ben and the guys debate whether or not Kevin Durant is the best basketball player on the planet.   The hour wraps up with 3-time Olympic swimmer Katie Ledecky telling Ben how she got her 4 Tokyo medals home (in her checked baggage or carry on??), her desire for even more medals at the 2024 Olympics, and reveals her passion for Fantasy Football. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Our guest this week is TV writer EMILY SCHMIDT! Emily was the Writers' Assistant for Netflix's "Girlboss," staffed on the Netflix multicam "No Good Nick"and an on-set joke writer for Kay Cannon's "Blockers." When she's not writing or trying to write, Emily is usually watching "The Golden Girls" and baking!   She's currently writing for a new series on FOX called ‘This Country,” led by Jenny Bicks & Paul Feig! It's a mockumentary comedy based on a British series, following a pair of cousins as they go through their daily lives in “idiosyncratic surroundings.” The half-hour series also stars Seann William Scott, Aya Cash, and Taylor Ortega, and was actually FOX's first pickup of the 2021-22 season!   Follow Emily  https://twitter.com/emilyrschmidt  https://www.instagram.com/emilyrschmidt  https://emilyschmidt.substack.com/    Stream No Good Nick, Blocker, and Girlboss on Netflix anytime!   Follow us on Instagram Follow us on Twitter Follow us on Facebook Subscribe to our newsletter at www.firecrackerdepartment.com

Todays guest, Kay Cannon, is a screenwriter, director, producer, and actress. Cannon is known for writing and producing the Pitch Perfect film series we love. We are even more excited that her upcoming movie, Cinderella, is expected to release on February 5, 2021, Brittney Mack's 23rd birthday! To top it off, Kay Cannon is here to explain ways to break into the film industry. If you are a 2020 graduate, do not worry. We got you covered.

With 2018 in the history books, we're revisiting some of our favorite moments from last year's interviews. Stories of big breaks, trails blazed and getting back in the saddle...an actual saddle on a literal horse. We have ‘Blockers' director Kay Cannon, rodeo star turned actor Brady Jandreau, ‘Dear White People' creator Justin Simien, ‘Vida' showrunner Tanya Saracho and ‘Crazy Rich Asians' director Jon M. Chu.

‘Blockers 'is comedy writer Kay Cannon's directorial debut. When she was hired for the project, she had some work to do on a script about girls, written by a bunch of guys. 'Blockers' is now out on DVD, and we're revisiting our conversation with Cannon. She tells us how she made ‘Blockers' funnier and more feminist.

Joanna Robinson talks to Blockers director Kay Cannon, and Richard Lawson talks to Leave No Trace director Debra Granik.

Screenwriter and Director Kay Cannon and Brandi talks about her new movie “Blockers”, some of her favorite people to work with, being nervous to direct for the first time, and Brandi's comedic run in with Leslie Mann.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

‘Blockers 'is comedy writer Kay Cannon's directorial debut. When she was hired for the project, she had some work to do on a script about girls, written by a bunch of guys. Cannon tells us how she made ‘Blockers' funnier and more feminist.

Mad Max: Fury Road and Pitch Perfect 2 are both out this weekend, and since we're nothing if not topical, we're covering both because they make an excellent double feature. First up, special guest co-host John Gholson will review Fury Road without spoilers, while placing it within the larger context of the Mad Max Universe and explaining why we should feel free to buy into the hype. Then, he and I will discuss the issue of the dearth of Black Widow action figures and why we can't be too quick to call the toymakers evil. For the grand finale, Pitch Perfect and Pitch Perfect 2 screenwriter Kay Cannon joins us to explain what's inherently funny about placing two naked people into a scene about joining a collegiate club and to talk about how her experiences on 30 Rock helped pave the way for writing feature films.