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PODCAST UPDATE: New episodes are coming next week, April 21, 2025Throwback Episode:Original airdate: March 4, 2024On episode 18 of the podcast, Top 20 NES Games of All Time, LimeWire days, the Big Lebowski, a crazy NBA Jam cheat programmed by the developer, our first cars, and a ton more. Master list on our NES collection: https://superretropod.com/nes-game-list-super-retro/Join our channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMP4yO-dFGayGUkT_MVYrhQ/join Discord: https://discord.gg/MYXnh9pf Email: SuperRetroPod@gmail.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/superretropodcast/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@superretropodAll things Super Retro: https://linktr.ee/superretroVideo episodes available at YouTube!
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DJ Willie Wonka is a Minneapolis based music producer and DJ for underground rap legend Prof. Willie grew up in Chicago before moving to Minneapolis to attend college at the U of M and earned a degree in Applied Economics. Once he started making beats in his dorm room using a stolen computer program from Limewire his life was never the same. After graduating he worked regular jobs including being a manager at Enterprise Rent a Car and was even a bill collector for a while. All throughout that time he never stopped making making music and chasing his dream to be a music producer. One day an idea came to him that changed everything. He searched online and found a list of "Top 10 rappers in Minnesota" and sent them all his Soundcloud page through Twitter with all his beats for them to listen to. Prof liked what he heard and 6 months later their first collaboration song "President" released. It's been over a decade since then and Willie's role has evolved from producing songs once in a while to being Prof's full time DJ. Willie also contributes heavily to the creative direction for a lot of Prof's music videos, tour sets, social media content, and more. In this episode we discuss his journey towards a full time career in music, becoming Prof's DJ by accident, favorite music producers, industry lessons he's learned, drinking habits on tour, hanging out with Redman, and much more.
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This week, our ringmaster Devin is joined by Joel Ernst, vocalist of Reign of Eris, for a nostalgic journey through their musical influences and a deep dive into the heavy music scene. From the early days of discovering music through Limewire and radio to the chaotic sounds of Headbangers Ball, Devin and Joel share their unique stories and influences that shaped their love for heavy music. As they reminisce about their formative years, they also explore the vibrant releases of 2024 that left a lasting impact. From the visceral hardcore of Whispers to the chaotic mathcore of Missouri Executive Order 44, the duo gives a heartfelt shoutout to the albums and bands that defined their year. Whether you're a fan of slamming beatdown or MySpace deathcore, this episode is packed with recommendations to keep your playlist fresh and heavy. In addition to music, Devin and Joel touch on their experiences in the local music scene, including memorable shows and the camaraderie that comes with being part of a passionate community. As they look toward the future, they discuss the possibilities for Reign of Eris and hint at exciting projects on the horizon. So grab your headphones and join us for a headbanging trip down memory lane, filled with laughter, insights, and a celebration of all things heavy. Don't miss out on this episode of The Weekly Geekly, where music and chaos collide!
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CEOs of publicly traded companies are often in the news talking about their new AI initiatives, but few of them have built anything with it. Drew Houston from Dropbox is different; he has spent over 400 hours coding with LLMs in the last year and is now refocusing his 2,500+ employees around this new way of working, 17 years after founding the company.Timestamps00:00 Introductions00:43 Drew's AI journey04:14 Revalidating expectations of AI08:23 Simulation in self-driving vs. knowledge work12:14 Drew's AI Engineering setup15:24 RAG vs. long context in AI models18:06 From "FileGPT" to Dropbox AI23:20 Is storage solved?26:30 Products vs Features30:48 Building trust for data access33:42 Dropbox Dash and universal search38:05 The evolution of Dropbox42:39 Building a "silicon brain" for knowledge work48:45 Open source AI and its impact51:30 "Rent, Don't Buy" for AI54:50 Staying relevant58:57 Founder Mode01:03:10 Advice for founders navigating AI01:07:36 Building and managing teams in a growing companyTranscriptAlessio [00:00:00]: Hey everyone, welcome to the Latent Space podcast. This is Alessio, partner and CTO at Decibel Partners, and there's no Swyx today, but I'm joined by Drew Houston of Dropbox. Welcome, Drew.Drew [00:00:14]: Thanks for having me.Alessio [00:00:15]: So we're not going to talk about the Dropbox story. We're not going to talk about the Chinatown bus and the flash drive and all that. I think you've talked enough about it. Where I want to start is you as an AI engineer. So as you know, most of our audience is engineering folks, kind of like technology leaders. You obviously run Dropbox, which is a huge company, but you also do a lot of coding. I think that's how you spend almost 400 hours, just like coding. So let's start there. What was the first interaction you had with an LLM API and when did the journey start for you?Drew [00:00:43]: Yeah. Well, I think probably all AI engineers or whatever you call an AI engineer, those people started out as engineers before that. So engineering is my first love. I mean, I grew up as a little kid. I was that kid. My first line of code was at five years old. I just really loved, I wanted to make computer games, like this whole path. That also led me into startups and eventually starting Dropbox. And then with AI specifically, I studied computer science, I got my, I did my undergrad, but I didn't do like grad level computer science. I didn't, I sort of got distracted by all the startup things, so I didn't do grad level work. But about several years ago, I made a couple of things. So one is I sort of, I knew I wanted to go from being an engineer to a founder. And then, but sort of the becoming a CEO part was sort of backed into the job. And so a couple of realizations. One is that, I mean, there's a lot of like repetitive and like manual work you have to do as an executive that is actually lends itself pretty well to automation, both for like my own convenience. And then out of interest in learning, I guess what we call like classical machine learning these days, I started really trying to wrap my head around understanding machine learning and informational retrieval more, more formally. So I'd say maybe 2016, 2017 started me writing these more successively, more elaborate scripts to like understand basic like classifiers and regression and, and again, like basic information retrieval and NLP back in those days. And there's sort of like two things that came out of that. One is techniques are super powerful. And even just like studying like old school machine learning was a pretty big inversion of the way I had learned engineering, right? You know, I started programming when everyone starts programming and you're, you're sort of the human, you're giving an algorithm to the, and spelling out to the computer how it should run it. And then machine learning, here's machine learning where it's like actually flip that, like give it sort of the answer you want and it'll figure out the algorithm, which was pretty mind bending. And it was both like pretty powerful when I would write tools, like figure out like time audits or like, where's my time going? Is this meeting a one-on-one or is it a recruiting thing or is it a product strategy thing? I started out doing that manually with my assistant, but then found that this was like a very like automatable task. And so, which also had the side effect of teaching me a lot about machine learning. But then there was this big problem, like anytime you, it was very good at like tabular structured data, but like anytime it hit, you know, the usual malformed English that humans speak, it would just like fall over. I had to kind of abandon a lot of the things that I wanted to build because like there's no way to like parse text. Like maybe it would sort of identify the part of speech in a sentence or something. But then fast forward to the LLM, I mean actually I started trying some of like this, what we would call like very small LLMs before kind of the GPT class models. And it was like super hard to get those things working. So like these 500 parameter models would just be like hallucinating and repeating and you know. So actually I'd kind of like written it off a little bit. But then the chat GPT launch and GPT-3 for sure. And then once people figured out like prompting and instruction tuning, this was sort of like November-ish 2022 like everybody else sort of that the chat GPT launch being the starting gun for the whole AI era of computing and then having API access to three and then early access to GPT-4. I was like, oh man, it's happening. And so I was literally on my honeymoon and we're like on a beach in Thailand and I'm like coding these like AI tools to automate like writing or to assist with writing and all these different use cases.Alessio [00:04:14]: You're like, I'm never going back to work. I'm going to automate all of it before I get back.Drew [00:04:17]: And I was just, you know, ever since then, I mean, I've always been like coding like prototypes and just stuff to make my life more convenient, but like escalated a lot after 22. And yeah, I spent, I checked, I think it was probably like over 400 hours this year so far coding because I had my paternity leave where I was able to work on some special projects. But yeah, it's a super important part of like my whole learning journey is like being really hands-on with these things. And I mean, it's probably not a typical recipe, but I really love to get down to the metal as far as how this stuff works.Alessio [00:04:47]: Yeah. So Swyx and I were with Sam Altman in October 22. We were like at a hack day at OpenAI and that's why we started this podcast eventually. But you did an interview with Sam like seven years ago and he asked you what's the biggest opportunity in startups and you were like machine learning and AI and you were almost like too early, right? It's like maybe seven years ago, the models weren't quite there. How should people think about revalidating like expectations of this technology? You know, I think even today people will tell you, oh, models are not really good at X because they were not good 12 months ago, but they're good today.Drew [00:05:19]: What's your project? Heuristics for thinking about that or how is, yeah, I think the way I look at it now is pretty, has evolved a lot since when I started. I mean, I think everybody intuitively starts with like, all right, let's try to predict the future or imagine like what's this great end state we're going to get to. And the tricky thing is like often those prognostications are right, but they're right in terms of direction, but not when. For example, you know, even in the early days of the internet, 90s when things were even like tech space and you know, even before like the browser or things like that, people were like, oh man, you're going to have, you know, you're going to be able to order food, get like a Snickers delivered to your house, you're going to be able to watch any movie ever created. And they were right. But they were like, you know, it took 20 years for that to actually happen. And before you got to DoorDash, you had to get, you started with like Webvan and Cosmo and before you get to Spotify, you had to do like Napster and Kazaa and LimeWire and like a bunch of like broken Britney Spears MP3s and malware. So I think the big lesson is being early is the same as being wrong. Being late is the same as being wrong. So really how do you calibrate timing? And then I think with AI, it's the same thing that people are like, oh, it's going to completely upend society and all these positive and negative ways. I think that's like most of those things are going to come true. The question is like, when is that going to happen? And then with AI specifically, I think there's also, in addition to sort of the general tech category or like jumping too fast to the future, I think that AI is particularly susceptible to that. And you look at self-driving, right? This idea of like, oh my God, you can have a self-driving car captured everybody's imaginations 10, 12 years ago. And you know, people are like, oh man, in two years, there's not going to be another year. There's not going to be a human driver on the road to be seen. It didn't work out that way, right? We're still 10, 12 years later where we're in a world where you can sort of sometimes get a Waymo in like one city on earth. Exciting, but just took a lot longer than people think. And the reason is there's a lot of engineering challenges, but then there's a lot of other like societal time constants that are hard to compress. So one thing I think you can learn from things like self-driving is they have these levels of autonomy that's a useful kind of framework in driving or these like maturity levels. People sort of skip to like level five, full autonomy, or we're going to have like an autonomous knowledge worker that's just going to take, that's going to, and then we won't need humans anymore kind of projection that that's going to take a long time. But then when you think about level one or level two, like these little assistive experiences, you know, we're seeing a lot of traction with those. So what you see really working is the level one autonomy in the AI world would be like the tab auto-complete and co-pilot, right? And then, you know, maybe a little higher is like the chatbot type interface. Obviously you want to get to the highest level you can to build a good product, but the reliability just isn't, and the capability just isn't there in the early innings. And so, and then you think of other level one, level two type things, like Google Maps probably did more for self-driving than in literal self-driving, like a billion people have like the ability to have like maps and navigation just like taken care of for you autonomously. So I think the timing and maturity are really important factors to include.Alessio [00:08:23]: The thing with self-driving, maybe one of the big breakthroughs was like simulation. So it's like, okay, instead of driving, we can simulate these environments. It's really hard to do when knowledge work, you know, how do you simulate like a product review? How do you simulate these things? I'm curious if you've done any experiments. I know some companies have started to build kind of like a virtual personas that you can like bounce ideas off of.Drew [00:08:42]: I mean, fortunately in a company you generate lots of, you know, actual human training data all the time. And then I also just like start with myself, like, all right, I can, you know, it's pretty tricky even within your company to be like, all right, let's open all this up as quote training data. But, you know, I can start with my own emails or my own calendar or own stuff without running into the same kind of like privacy or other concerns. So I often like start with my own stuff. And so that is like a one level of bootstrapping, but actually four or five years ago during COVID, we decided, you know, a lot of companies were thinking about how do we go back to work? And so we decided to really lean into remote and distributed work because I thought, you know, this is going to be the biggest change to the way we work in our lifetimes. And COVID kind of ripped up a bunch of things, but I think everybody was sort of pleasantly surprised how with a lot of knowledge work, you could just keep going. And actually you were sort of fine. Work was decoupled from your physical environment, from being in a physical place, which meant that things people had dreamed about since the fifties or sixties, like telework, like you actually could work from anywhere. And that was now possible. So we decided to really lean into that because we debated, should we sort of hit the fast forward button or should we hit the rewind button and go back to 2019? And obviously that's been playing out over the last few years. And we decided to basically turn, we went like 90% remote. We still, the in-person part's really important. We can kind of come back to our working model, but we're like, yeah, this is, everybody is going to be in some kind of like distributed or hybrid state. So like instead of like running away from this, like let's do a full send, let's really go into it. Let's live in the future. A few years before our customers, let's like turn Dropbox into a lab for distributed work. And we do that like quite literally, both of the working model and then increasingly with our products. And then absolutely, like we have products like Dropbox Dash, which is our universal search product. That was like very elevated in priority for me after COVID because like now you have, we're putting a lot more stress on the system and on our screens, it's a lot more chaotic and overwhelming. And so even just like getting the right information, the right person at the right time is a big fundamental challenge in knowledge work and these, in the distributed world, like big problem today is still getting, you know, has been getting bigger. And then for a lot of these other workflows, yeah, there's, we can both get a lot of natural like training data from just our own like strategy docs and processes. There's obviously a lot you can do with synthetic data and you know, actually like LMs are pretty good at being like imitating generic knowledge workers. So it's, it's kind of funny that way, but yeah, the way I look at it is like really turn Dropbox into a lab for distributed work. You think about things like what are the big problems we're going to have? It's just the complexity on our screens just keeps growing and the whole environment gets kind of more out of sync with what makes us like cognitively productive and engaged. And then even something like Dash was initially seeded, I made a little personal search engine because I was just like personally frustrated with not being able to find my stuff. And along that whole learning journey with AI, like the vector search or semantic search, things like that had just been the tooling for that. The open source stuff had finally gotten to a place where it was a pretty good developer experience. And so, you know, in a few days I had sort of a hello world type search engine and I'm like, oh my God, like this completely works. You don't even have to get the keywords right. The relevance and ranking is super good. We even like untuned. So I guess that's to say like I've been surprised by if you choose like the right algorithm and the right approach, you can actually get like super good results without having like a ton of data. And even with LLMs, you can apply all these other techniques to give them, kind of bootstrap kind of like task maturity pretty quickly.Alessio [00:12:14]: Before we jump into Dash, let's talk about the Drew Haas and AI engineering stuff. So IDE, let's break that down. What IDE do you use? Do you use Cursor, VS Code, do you use any coding assistant, like WeChat, is it just autocomplete?Drew [00:12:28]: Yeah, yeah. Both. So I use VS Code as like my daily driver, although I'm like super excited about things like Cursor or the AI agents. I have my own like stack underneath that. I mean, some off the shelf parts, some pretty custom. So I use the continue.dev just like AI chat UI basically as just the UI layer, but I also proxy the request. I proxy the request to my own backend, which is sort of like a router. You can use any backend. I mean, Sonnet 3.5 is probably the best all around. But then these things are like pretty limited if you don't give them the right context. And so part of what the proxy does is like there's a separate thing where I can say like include all these files by default with the request. And then it becomes a lot easier and like without like cutting and pasting. And I'm building mostly like prototype toy apps, so it's like a front end React thing and a Python backend thing. And so it can do these like end to end diffs basically. And then I also like love being able to host everything locally or do it offline. So I have my own, when I'm on a plane or something or where like you don't have access or the internet's not reliable, I actually bring a gaming laptop on the plane with me. It's like a little like blue briefcase looking thing. And then I like literally hook up a GPU like into one of the outlets. And then I have, I can do like transcription, I can do like autocomplete, like I have an 8 billion, like Llama will run fine.Alessio [00:13:44]: And you're using like a Llama to run the model?Drew [00:13:47]: No, I use, I have my own like LLM inference stack. I mean, it uses the backend somewhat interchangeable. So everything from like XLlama to VLLM or SGLang, there's a bunch of these different backends you can use. And then I started like working on stuff before all this tooling was like really available. So you know, over the last several years, I've built like my own like whole crazy environment and like in stack here. So I'm a little nuts about it.Alessio [00:14:12]: Yeah. What's the state of the art for, I guess not state of the art, but like when it comes to like frameworks and things like that, do you like using them? I think maybe a lot of people say, hey, things change so quickly, they're like trying to abstract things. Yeah.Drew [00:14:24]: It's maybe too early today. As much as I do a lot of coding, I have to be pretty surgical with my time. I don't have that much time, which means I have to sort of like scope my innovation to like very specific places or like my time. So for the front end, it'll be like a pretty vanilla stack, like a Next.js, React based thing. And then these are toy apps. So it's like Python, Flask, SQLite, and then all the different, there's a whole other thing on like the backend. Like how do you get, sort of run all these models locally or with a local GPU? The scaffolding on the front end is pretty straightforward, the scaffolding on the backend is pretty straightforward. Then a lot of it is just like the LLM inference and control over like fine grained aspects of how you do generation, caching, things like that. And then there's a lot, like a lot of the work is how do you take, sort of go to an IMAP, like take an email, get a new, or a document or a spreadsheet or any of these kinds of primitives that you work with and then translate them, render them in a format that an LLM can understand. So there's like a lot of work that goes into that too. Yeah.Alessio [00:15:24]: So I built a kind of like email triage system and like I would say 80% of the code is like Google and like pulling emails and then the actual AI part is pretty easy.Drew [00:15:34]: Yeah. And even, same experience. And then I tried to do all these like NLP things and then to my dismay, like a bunch of reg Xs were like, got you like 95% of the way there. So I still leave it running, I just haven't really built like the LLM powered version of it yet. Yeah.Alessio [00:15:51]: So do you have any thoughts on rag versus long context, especially, I mean with Dropbox, you know? Sure. Do you just want to shove things in? Like have you seen that be a lot better?Drew [00:15:59]: Well, they kind of have different strengths and weaknesses, so you need both for different use cases. I mean, it's been awesome in the last 12 months, like now you have these like long context models that can actually do a lot. You can put a book in, you know, Sonnet's context and then now with the later versions of LLAMA, you can have 128k context. So that's sort of the new normal, which is awesome and that, that wasn't even the case a year ago. That said, models don't always use, and certainly like local models don't use the full context well fully yet, and actually if you provide too much irrelevant context, the quality degrades a lot. And so I say in the open source world, like we're still just getting to the cusp of like the full context is usable. And then of course, like when you're something like Dropbox Dash, like it's basically building this whole like brain that's like read everything your company's ever written. And so that's not going to fit into your context window, so you need rag just as a practical reality. And even for a lot of similar reasons, you need like RAM and hard disk in conventional computer architecture. And I think these things will keep like horse trading, like maybe if, you know, a million or 10 million is the new, tokens is the new context length, maybe that shifts. Maybe the bigger picture is like, it's super exciting to talk about the LLM and like that piece of the puzzle, but there's this whole other scaffolding of more conventional like retrieval or conventional machine learning, especially because you have to scale up products to like millions of people you do in your toy app is not going to scale to that from a cost or latency or performance standpoint. So I think you really need these like hybrid architectures that where you have very like purpose fit tools, or you're probably not using Sonnet 3.5 for all of your normal product use cases. You're going to use like a fine tuned 8 billion model or sort of the minimum model that gets you the right output. And then a smaller model also is like a lot more cost and latency versus like much better characteristics on that front.Alessio [00:17:48]: Yeah. Let's jump into the Dropbox AI story. So sure. Your initial prototype was Files GPT. How did it start? And then how did you communicate that internally? You know, I know you have a pretty strong like mammal culture. One where you're like, okay, Hey, we got to really take this seriously.Drew [00:18:06]: Yeah. Well, on the latter, it was, so how do we say like how we took Dropbox, how AI seriously as a company started kind of around that time, that honeymoon time, unfortunately. In January, I wrote this like memo to the company, like around basically like how we need to play offense in 23. And that most of the time the kind of concrete is set and like the winners are the winners and things are kind of frozen. But then with these new eras of computing, like the PC or the internet or the phone or the concrete on freezes and you can sort of build, do things differently and have a new set of winners. It's sort of like a new season starts as a result of a lot of that sort of personal hacking and just like thinking about this. I'm like, yeah, this is an inflection point in the industry. Like we really need to change how we think about our strategy. And then becoming an AI first company was probably the headline thing that we did. And then, and then that got, and then calling on everybody in the company to really think about in your world, how is AI going to reshape your workflows or what sort of the AI native way of thinking about your job. File GPT, which is sort of this Dropbox AI kind of initial concept that actually came from our engineering team as, you know, as we like called on everybody, like really think about what we should be doing that's new or different. So it was kind of organic and bottoms up like a bunch of engineers just kind of hacked that together. And then that materialized as basically when you preview a file on Dropbox, you can have kind of the most straightforward possible integration of AI, which is a good thing. Like basically you have a long PDF, you want to be able to ask questions of it. So like a pretty basic implementation of RAG and being able to do that when you preview a file on Dropbox. So that was the origin of that, that was like back in 2023 when we released just like the starting engines had just, you know, gotten going.Alessio [00:19:53]: It's funny where you're basically like these files that people have, they really don't want them in a way, you know, like you're storing all these files and like you actually don't want to interact with them. You want a layer on top of it. And that's kind of what also takes you to Dash eventually, which is like, Hey, you actually don't really care where the file is. You just want to be the place that aggregates it. How do you think about what people will know about files? You know, are files the actual file? Are files like the metadata and they're just kind of like a pointer that goes somewhere and you don't really care where it is?Drew [00:20:21]: Yeah.Alessio [00:20:22]: Any thoughts about?Drew [00:20:23]: Totally. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of potential complexity in that question, right? Is it a, you know, what's the difference between a file and a URL? And you can go into the technicals, it's like pass by value, pass by reference. Okay. What's the format like? All right. So it starts with a primitive. It's not really a flat file. It's like a structured data. You're sort of collaborative. Yeah. That's keeping in sync. Blah, blah, blah. I actually don't start there at all. I just start with like, what do people, like, what do humans, let's work back from like how humans think about this stuff or how they should think about this stuff. Meaning like, I don't think about, Oh, here are my files and here are my links or cloud docs. I'm just sort of like, Oh, here's my stuff. This, this, here's sort of my documents. Here's my media. Here's my projects. Here are the people I'm working with. So it starts from primitives more like those, like how do people, how do humans think about these things? And then, then start from like a more ideal experience. Because if you think about it, we kind of have this situation that will look like particularly medieval in hindsight where, all right, how do you manage your work stuff? Well, on all, you know, on one side of your screen, you have this file browser that literally hasn't changed since the early eighties, right? You could take someone from the original Mac and sit them in front of like a computer and they'd be like, this is it. And that's, it's been 40 years, right? Then on the other side of your screen, you have like Chrome or a browser that has so many tabs open, you can no longer see text or titles. This is the state of the art for how we manage stuff at work. Interestingly, neither of those experiences was purpose-built to be like the home for your work stuff or even anything related to it. And so it's important to remember, we get like stuck in these local maxima pretty often in tech where we're obviously aware that files are not going away, especially in certain domains. So that format really matters and where files are still going to be the tool you use for like if there's something big, right? If you're a big video file, that kind of format in a file makes sense. There's a bunch of industries where it's like construction or architecture or sort of these domain specific areas, you know, media generally, if you're making music or photos or video, that all kind of fits in the big file zone where Dropbox is really strong and that's like what customers love us for. It's also pretty obvious that a lot of stuff that used to be in, you know, Word docs or Excel files, like all that has tilted towards the browser and that tilt is going to continue. So with Dash, we wanted to make something that was really like cloud-native, AI-native and deliberately like not be tied down to the abstractions of the file system. Now on the other hand, it would be like ironic and bad if we then like fractured the experience that you're like, well, if it touches a file, it's a syncing metaphor to this app. And if it's a URL, it's like this completely different interface. So there's a convergence that I think makes sense over time. But you know, but I think you have to start from like, not so much the technology, start from like, what do the humans want? And then like, what's the idealized product experience? And then like, what are the technical underpinnings of that, that can make that good experience?Alessio [00:23:20]: I think it's kind of intuitive that in Dash, you can connect Google Drive, right? Because you think about Dropbox, it's like, well, it's file storage, you really don't want people to store files somewhere, but the reality is that they do. How do you think about the importance of storage and like, do you kind of feel storage is like almost solved, where it's like, hey, you can kind of store these files anywhere, what matters is like access.Drew [00:23:38]: It's a little bit nuanced in that if you're dealing with like large quantities of data, it actually does matter. The implementation matters a lot or like you're dealing with like, you know, 10 gig video files like that, then you sort of inherit all the problems of sync and have to go into a lot of the challenges that we've solved. Switching on a pretty important question, like what is the value we provide? What does Dropbox do? And probably like most people, I would have said like, well, Dropbox syncs your files. And we didn't even really have a mission of the company in the beginning. I'm just like, yeah, I just don't want to carry a thumb driving around and life would be a lot better if our stuff just like lived in the cloud and I just didn't have to think about like, what device is the thing on or what operating, why are these operating systems fighting with each other and incompatible? You know, I just want to abstract all of that away. But then so we thought, even we were like, all right, Dropbox provides storage. But when we talked to our customers, they're like, that's not how we see this at all. Like actually, Dropbox is not just like a hard drive in the cloud. It's like the place where I go to work or it's a place like I started a small business is a place where my dreams come true. Or it's like, yeah, it's not keeping files in sync. It's keeping people in sync. It's keeping my team in sync. And so they're using this kind of language where we're like, wait, okay, yeah, because I don't know, storage probably is a commodity or what we do is a commodity. But then we talked to our customers like, no, we're not buying the storage, we're buying like the ability to access all of our stuff in one place. We're buying the ability to share everything and sort of, in a lot of ways, people are buying the ability to work from anywhere. And Dropbox was kind of, the fact that it was like file syncing was an implementation detail of this higher order need that they had. So I think that's where we start too, which is like, what is the sort of higher order thing, the job the customer is hiring Dropbox to do? Storage in the new world is kind of incidental to that. I mean, it still matters for things like video or those kinds of workflows. The value of Dropbox had never been, we provide you like the cheapest bits in the cloud. But it is a big pivot from Dropbox is the company that syncs your files to now where we're going is Dropbox is the company that kind of helps you organize all your cloud content. I started the company because I kept forgetting my thumb drive. But the question I was really asking was like, why is it so hard to like find my stuff, organize my stuff, share my stuff, keep my stuff safe? You know, I'm always like one washing machine and I would leave like my little thumb drive with all my prior company stuff on in the pocket of my shorts and then almost wash it and destroy it. And so I was like, why do we have to, this is like medieval that we have to think about this. So that same mindset is how I approach where we're going. But I think, and then unfortunately the, we're sort of back to the same problems. Like it's really hard to find my stuff. It's really hard to organize myself. It's hard to share my stuff. It's hard to secure my content at work. Now the problem is the same, the shape of the problem and the shape of the solution is pretty different. You know, instead of a hundred files on your desktop, it's now a hundred tabs in your browser, et cetera. But I think that's the starting point.Alessio [00:26:30]: How has the idea of a product evolved for you? So, you know, famously Steve Jobs started by Dropbox and he's like, you know, this is just a feature. It's not a product. And then you build like a $10 billion feature. How in the age of AI, how do you think about, you know, maybe things that used to be a product are now features because the AI on top of it, it's like the product, like what's your mental model? Do you think about it?Drew [00:26:50]: Yeah. So I don't think there's really like a bright line. I don't know if like I use the word features and products and my mental model that much of how I break it down because it's kind of a, it's a good question. I mean, I don't not think about features, I don't think about products, but it does start from that place of like, all right, we have all these new colors we can paint with and all right, what are these higher order needs that are sort of evergreen, right? So people will always have stuff at work. They're always need to be able to find it or, you know, all the verbs I just mentioned. It's like, okay, how can we make like a better painting and how can we, and then how can we use some of these new colors? And then, yeah, it's like pretty clear that after the large models, the way you find stuff share stuff, it's going to be completely different after COVID, it's going to be completely different. So that's the starting point. But I think it is also important to, you know, you have to do more than just work back from the customer and like what they're trying to do. Like you have to think about, and you know, we've, we've learned a lot of this the hard way sometimes. Okay. You might start with a customer. You might start with a job to be on there. You're like, all right, what's the solution to their problem? Or like, can we build the best product that solves that problem? Right. Like what's the best way to find your stuff in the modern world? Like, well, yeah, right now the status quo for the vast majority of the billion, billion knowledge workers is they have like 10 search boxes at work that each search 10% of your stuff. Like that's clearly broken. Obviously you should just have like one search box. All right. So we can do that. And that also has to be like, I'll come back to defensibility in a second, but like, can we build the right solution that is like meaningfully better from the status quo? Like, yes, clearly. Okay. Then can we like get distribution and growth? Like that's sort of the next thing you learned is as a founder, you start with like, what's the product? What's the product? What's the product? Then you're like, wait, wait, we need distribution and we need a business model. So those are the next kind of two dominoes you have to knock down or sort of needles you have to thread at the same time. So all right, how do we grow? I mean, if Dropbox 1.0 is really this like self-serve viral model that there's a lot of, we sort of took a borrowed from a lot of the consumer internet playbook and like what Facebook and social media were doing and then translated that to sort of the business world. How do you get distribution, especially as a startup? And then a business model, like, all right, storage happened to be something in the beginning happened to be something people were willing to pay for. They recognize that, you know, okay, if I don't buy something like Dropbox, I'm going to have to buy an external hard drive. I'm going to have to buy a thumb drive and I have to pay for something one way or another. People are already paying for things like backup. So we felt good about that. But then the last domino is like defensibility. Okay. So you build this product or you get the business model, but then, you know, what do you do when the incumbents, the next chess move for them is I just like copy, bundle, kill. So they're going to copy your product. They'll bundle it with their platforms and they'll like give it away for free or no added cost. And, you know, we had a lot of, you know, scar tissue from being on the wrong side of that. Now you don't need to solve all four for all four or five variables or whatever at once or you can sort of have, you know, some flexibility. But the more of those gates that you get through, you sort of add a 10 X to your valuation. And so with AI, I think, you know, there's been a lot of focus on the large language model, but it's like large language models are a pretty bad business from a, you know, you sort of take off your tech lens and just sort of business lens. Like there's sort of this weirdly self-commoditizing thing where, you know, models only have value if they're kind of on this like Pareto frontier of size and quality and cost. Being number two, you know, if you're not on that frontier, the second the frontier moves out, which it moves out every week, like your model literally has zero economic value because it's dominated by the new thing. LLMs generate output that can be used to train or improve. So there's weird, peculiar things that are specific to the large language model. And then you have to like be like, all right, where's the value going to accrue in the stack or the value chain? And, you know, certainly at the bottom with Nvidia and the semiconductor companies, and then it's going to be at the top, like the people who have the customer relationship who have the application layer. Those are a few of the like lenses that I look at a question like that through.Alessio [00:30:48]: Do you think AI is making people more careful about sharing the data at all? People are like, oh, data is important, but it's like, whatever, I'm just throwing it out there. Now everybody's like, but are you going to train on my data? And like your data is actually not that good to train on anyway. But like how have you seen, especially customers, like think about what to put in, what to not?Drew [00:31:06]: I mean, everybody should be. Well, everybody is concerned about this and nobody should be concerned about this, right? Because nobody wants their personal companies information to be kind of ground up into little pellets to like sell you ads or train the next foundation model. I think it's like massively top of mind for every one of our customers, like, and me personally, and with my Dropbox hat on, it's like so fundamental. And, you know, we had experience with this too at Dropbox 1.0, the same kind of resistance, like, wait, I'm going to take my stuff on my hard drive and put it on your server somewhere. Are you serious? What could possibly go wrong? And you know, before that, I was like, wait, are you going to sell me, I'm going to put my credit card number into this website? And before that, I was like, hey, I'm going to take all my cash and put it in a bank instead of under my mattress. You know, so there's a long history of like tech and comfort. So in some sense, AI is kind of another round of the same thing, but the issues are real. And then when I think about like defensibility for Dropbox, like that's actually a big advantage that we have is one, our incentives are very aligned with our customers, right? We only get, we only make money if you pay us and you only pay us if we do a good job. So we don't have any like side hustle, you know, we're not training the next foundation model. You know, we're not trying to sell you ads. Actually we're not even trying to lock you into an ecosystem, like the whole point of Dropbox is it works, you know, everywhere. Because I think one of the big questions we've circling around is sort of like, in the world of AI, where should our lane be? Like every startup has to ask, or in every big company has to ask, like, where can we really win? But to me, it was like a lot of the like trust advantages, platform agnostic, having like a very clean business model, not having these other incentives. And then we also are like super transparent. We were transparent early on. We're like, all right, we're going to establish these AI principles, very table stakes stuff of like, here's transparency. We want to give people control. We want to cover privacy, safety, bias, like fairness, all these things. And we put that out up front to put some sort of explicit guardrails out where like, hey, we're, you know, because everybody wants like a trusted partner as they sort of go into the wild world of AI. And then, you know, you also see people cutting corners and, you know, or just there's a lot of uncertainty or, you know, moving the pieces around after the fact, which no one feels good about.Alessio [00:33:14]: I mean, I would say the last 10, 15 years, the race was kind of being the system of record, being the storage provider. I think today it's almost like, hey, if I can use Dash to like access my Google Drive file, why would I pay Google for like their AI feature? So like vice versa, you know, if I can connect my Dropbook storage to this other AI assistant, how do you kind of think about that, about, you know, not being able to capture all the value and how open people will stay? I think today things are still pretty open, but I'm curious if you think things will get more closed or like more open later.Drew [00:33:42]: Yeah. Well, I think you have to get the value exchange right. And I think you have to be like a trustworthy partner or like no one's going to partner with you if they think you're going to eat their lunch, right? Or if you're going to disintermediate them and like all the companies are quite sophisticated with how they think about that. So we try to, like, we know that's going to be the reality. So we're actually not trying to eat anyone's like Google Drive's lunch or anything. Actually we'll like integrate with Google Drive, we'll integrate with OneDrive, really any of the content platforms, even if they compete with file syncing. So that's actually a big strategic shift. We're not really reliant on being like the store of record and there are pros and cons to this decision. But if you think about it, we're basically like providing all these apps more engagement. We're like helping users do what they're really trying to do, which is to get, you know, that Google Doc or whatever. And we're not trying to be like, oh, by the way, use this other thing. This is all part of our like brand reputation. It's like, no, we give people freedom to use whatever tools or operating system they want. We're not taking anything away from our partners. We're actually like making it, making their thing more useful or routing people to those things. I mean, on the margin, then we have something like, well, okay, to the extent you do rag and summarize things, maybe that doesn't generate a click. Okay. You know, we also know there's like infinity investment going into like the work agents. So we're not really building like a co-pilot or Gemini competitor. Not because we don't like those. We don't find that thing like captivating. Yeah, of course. But just like, you know, you learn after some time in this business that like, yeah, there's some places that are just going to be such kind of red oceans or just like super big battlefields. Everybody's kind of trying to solve the same problem and they just start duplicating all each other effort. And then meanwhile, you know, I think the concern would be is like, well, there's all these other problems that aren't being properly addressed by AI. And I was concerned that like, yeah, and everybody's like fixated on the agent or the chatbot interface, but forgetting that like, hey guys, like we have the opportunity to like really fix search or build a self-organizing Dropbox or environment or there's all these other things that can be a compliment. Because we don't really want our customers to be thinking like, well, do I use Dash or do I use co-pilot? And frankly, none of them do. In a lot of ways, actually, some of the things that we do on the security front with Dash for Business are a good compliment to co-pilot. Because as part of Dash for Business, we actually give admins, IT, like universal visibility and control over all the different, what's being shared in your company across all these different platforms. And as a precondition to installing something like co-pilot or Dash or Glean or any of these other things, right? You know, IT wants to know like, hey, before we like turn all the lights in here, like let's do a little cleaning first before we let everybody in. And there just haven't been good tools to do that. And post AI, you would do it completely differently. And so that's like a big, that's a cornerstone of what we do and what sets us apart from these tools. And actually, in a lot of cases, we will help those tools be adopted because we actually help them do it safely. Yeah.Alessio [00:36:27]: How do you think about building for AI versus people? It's like when you mentioned cleaning up is because maybe before you were like, well, humans can have some common sense when they look at data on what to pick versus models are just kind of like ingesting. Do you think about building products differently, knowing that a lot of the data will actually be consumed by LLMs and like agents and whatnot versus like just people?Drew [00:36:46]: I think it'll always be, I aim a little bit more for like, you know, level three, level four kind of automation, because even if the LLM is like capable of completely autonomously organizing your environment, it probably would do a reasonable job. But like, I think you build bad UI when the sort of user has to fit itself to the computer versus something that you're, you know, it's like an instrument you're playing or something where you have some kind of good partnership. And you know, and on the other side, you don't have to do all this like manual effort. And so like the command line was sort of subsumed by like, you know, graphical UI. We'll keep toggling back and forth. Maybe chat will be, chat will be an increasing, especially when you bring in voice, like will be an increasing part of the puzzle. But I don't think we're going to go back to like a million command lines either. And then as far as like the sort of plumbing of like, well, is this going to be consumed by an LLM or a human? Like fortunately, like you don't really have to design it that differently. I mean, you have to make sure everything's legible to the LLM, but it's like quite tolerant of, you know, malformed everything. And actually the more, the easier it makes something to read for a human, the easier it is for an LLM to read to some extent as well. But we really think about what's that kind of right, how do we build that right, like human machine interface where you're still in control and driving, but then it's super easy to translate your intent into like the, you know, however you want your folder, setting your environment set up or like your preferences.Alessio [00:38:05]: What's the most underrated thing about Dropbox that maybe people don't appreciate?Drew [00:38:09]: Well, I think this is just such a natural evolution for us. It's pretty true. Like when people think about the world of AI, file syncing is not like the next thing you would auto complete mentally. And I think we also did like our first thing so well that there were a lot of benefits to that. But I think there also are like, we hit it so hard with our first product that it was like pretty tough to come up with a sequel. And we had a bit of a sophomore slump and you know, I think actually a lot of kids do use Dropbox through in high school or things like that, but you know, they're not, they're using, they're a lot more in the browser and then their file system, right. And we know all this, but still like we're super well positioned to like help a new generation of people with these fundamental problems and these like that affect, you know, a billion knowledge workers around just finding, organizing, sharing your stuff and keeping it safe. And there's, there's a ton of unsolved problems in those four verbs. We've talked about search a little bit, but just even think about like a whole new generation of people like growing up without the ability to like organize their things and yeah, search is great. And if you just have like a giant infinite pile of stuff, then search does make that more manageable. But you know, you do lose some things that were pretty helpful in prior decades, right? So even just the idea of persistence, stuff still being there when you come back, like when I go to sleep and wake up, my physical papers are still on my desk. When I reboot my computer, the files are still on my hard drive. But then when in my browser, like if my operating system updates the wrong way and closes the browser or if I just more commonly just declared tab bankruptcy, it's like your whole workspace just clears itself out and starts from zero. And you're like, on what planet is this a good idea? There's no like concept of like, oh, here's the stuff I was working on. Yeah, let me get back to it. And so that's like a big motivation for things like Dash. Huge problems with sharing, right? If I'm remodeling my house or if I'm getting ready for a board meeting, you know, what do I do if I have a Google doc and an air table and a 10 gig 4k video? There's no collection that holds mixed format things. And so it's another kind of hidden problem, hidden in plain sight, like he's missing primitives. Files have folders, songs have playlists, links have, you know, there's no, somehow we miss that. And so we're building that with stacks in Dash where it's like a mixed format, smart collection that you can then, you know, just share whatever you need internally, externally and have it be like a really well designed experience and platform agnostic and not tying you to any one ecosystem. We're super excited about that. You know, we talked a little bit about security in the modern world, like IT signs all these compliance documents, but in reality has no way of knowing where anything is or what's being shared. It's actually better for them to not know about it than to know about it and not be able to do anything about it. And when we talked to customers, we found that there were like literally people in IT whose jobs it is to like manually go through, log into each, like log into office, log into workspace, log into each tool and like go comb through one by one the links that people have shared and like unshares. There's like an unshare guy in all these companies and that that job is probably about as fun as it sounds like, my God. So there's, you know, fortunately, I guess what makes technology a good business is for every problem it solves, it like creates a new one, so there's always like a sequel that you need. And so, you know, I think the happy version of our Act 2 is kind of similar to Netflix. I look at a lot of these companies that really had multiple acts and Netflix had the vision to be streaming from the beginning, but broadband and everything wasn't ready for it. So they started by mailing you DVDs, but then went to streaming and then, but the value probably the whole time was just like, let me press play on something I want to see. And they did a really good job about bringing people along from the DVD mailing off. You would think like, oh, the DVD mailing piece is like this burning platform or it's like legacy, you know, ankle weight. And they did have some false starts in that transition. But when you really think about it, they were able to take that DVD mailing audience, move, like migrate them to streaming and actually bootstrap a, you know, take their season one people and bootstrap a victory in season two, because they already had, you know, they weren't starting from scratch. And like both of those worlds were like super easy to sort of forget and be like, oh, it's all kind of destiny. But like, no, that was like an incredibly competitive environment. And Netflix did a great job of like activating their Act 1 advantages and winning in Act 2 because of it. So I don't think people see Dropbox that way. I think people are sort of thinking about us just in terms of our Act 1 and they're like, yeah, Dropbox is fine. I used to use it 10 years ago. But like, what have they done for me lately? And I don't blame them. So fortunately, we have like better and better answers to that question every year.Alessio [00:42:39]: And you call it like the silicon brain. So you see like Dash and Stacks being like the silicon brain interface, basically forDrew [00:42:46]: people. I mean, that's part of it. Yeah. And writ large, I mean, I think what's so exciting about AI and everybody's got their own kind of take on it, but if you like really zoom out civilizationally and like what allows humans to make progress and, you know, what sort of is above the fold in terms of what's really mattered. I certainly want to, I mean, there are a lot of points, but some that come to mind like you think about things like the industrial revolution, like before that, like mechanical energy, like the only way you could get it was like by your own hands, maybe an animal, maybe some like clever sort of machines or machines made of like wood or something. But you were quite like energy limited. And then suddenly, you know, the industrial revolution, things like electricity, it suddenly is like, all right, mechanical energy is now available on demand as a very fungible kind of, and then suddenly we consume a lot more of it. And then the standard of living goes way, way, way, way up. That's been pretty limited to the physical realm. And then I believe that the large models, that's really the first time we can kind of bottle up cognitive energy and offloaded, you know, if we started by offloading a lot of our mechanical or physical busy work to machines that freed us up to make a lot of progress in other areas. But then with AI and computing, we're like, now we can offload a lot more of our cognitive busy work to machines. And then we can create a lot more of it. Price of it goes way down. Importantly, like, it's not like humans never did anything physical again. It's sort of like, no, but we're more leveraged. We can move a lot more earth with a bulldozer than a shovel. And so that's like what is at the most fundamental level, what's so exciting to me about AI. And so what's the silicon brain? It's like, well, we have our human brains and then we're going to have this other like half of our brain that's sort of coming online, like our silicon brain. And it's not like one or the other. They complement each other. They have very complimentary strengths and weaknesses. And that's, that's a good thing. There's also this weird tangent we've gone on as a species to like where knowledge work, knowledge workers have this like epidemic of, of burnout, great resignation, quiet quitting. And there's a lot going on there. But I think that's one of the biggest problems we have is that be like, people deserve like meaningful work and, you know, can't solve all of it. But like, and at least in knowledge work, there's a lot of own goals, you know, enforced errors that we're doing where it's like, you know, on one side with brain science, like we know what makes us like productive and fortunately it's also what makes us engaged. It's like when we can focus or when we're some kind of flow state, but then we go to work and then increasingly going to work is like going to a screen and you're like, if you wanted to design an environment that made it impossible to ever get into a flow state or ever be able to focus, like what we have is that. And that was the thing that just like seven, eight years ago just blew my mind. I'm just like, I cannot understand why like knowledge work is so jacked up on this adventure. It's like, we, we put ourselves in like the most cognitively polluted environment possible and we put so much more stress on the system when we're working remotely and things like that. And you know, all of these problems are just like going in the wrong direction. And I just, I just couldn't understand why this was like a problem that wasn't fixing itself. And I'm like, maybe there's something Dropbox can do with this and you know, things like Dash are the first step. But then, well, so like what, well, I mean, now like, well, why are humans in this like polluted state? It's like, well, we're just, all of the tools we have today, like this generation of tools just passes on all of the weight, the burden to the human, right? So it's like, here's a bajillion, you know, 80,000 unread emails, cool. Here's 25 unread Slack channels. Here's, we all get started like, it's like jittery like thinking about it. And then you look at that, you're like, wait, I'm looking at my phone, it says like 80,000 unread things. There's like no question, product question for which this is the right answer. Fortunately, that's why things like our silicon brain are pretty helpful because like they can serve as like an attention filter where it's like, actually, computers have no problem reading a million things. Humans can't do that, but computers can. And to some extent, this was already happening with computer, you know, Excel is an aversion of your silicon brain or, you know, you could draw the line arbitrarily. But with larger models, like now so many of these little subtasks and tasks we do at work can be like fully automated. And I think, you know, I think it's like an important metaphor to me because it mirrors a lot of what we saw with computing, computer architecture generally. It's like we started out with the CPU, very general purpose, then GPU came along much better at these like parallel computations. We talk a lot about like human versus machine being like substituting, it's like CPU, GPU, it's not like one is categorically better than the other, they're complements. Like if you have something really parallel, use a GPU, if not, use a CPU. The whole relationship, that symbiosis between CPU and GPU has obviously evolved a lot since, you know, playing Quake 2 or something. But right now we have like the human CPU doing a lot of, you know, silicon CPU tasks. And so you really have to like redesign the work thoughtfully such that, you know, probably not that different from how it's evolved in computer architecture, where the CPU is sort of an orchestrator of these really like heavy lifting GPU tasks. That dividing line does shift a little bit, you know, with every generation. And so I think we need to think about knowledge work in that context, like what are human brains good at? What's our silicon brain good at? Let's resegment the work. Let's offload all the stuff that can be automated. Let's go on a hunt for like anything that could save a human CPU cycle. Let's give it to the silicon one. And so I think we're at the early earnings of actually being able to do something about it.Alessio [00:48:00]: It's funny, I gave a talk to a few government people earlier this year with a similar point where we used to make machines to release human labor. And then the kilowatt hour was kind of like the unit for a lot of countries. And now you're doing the same thing with the brain and the data centers are kind of computational power plants, you know, they're kind of on demand tokens. You're on the board of Meta, which is the number one donor of Flops for the open source world. The thing about open source AI is like the model can be open source, but you need to carry a briefcase to actually maybe run a model that is not even that good compared to some of the big ones. How do you think about some of the differences in the open source ethos with like traditional software where it's like really easy to run and act on it versus like models where it's like it might be open source, but like I'm kind of limited, sort of can do with it?Drew [00:48:45]: Yeah, well, I think with every new era of computing, there's sort of a tug of war between is this going to be like an open one or a closed one? And, you know, there's pros and cons to both. It's not like open is always better or open always wins. But, you know, I think you look at how the mobile, like the PC era and the Internet era started out being more on the open side, like it's very modular. Everybody sort of party that everybody could, you know, come to some downsides of that security. But I think, you know, the advent of AI, I think there's a real question, like given the capital intensity of what it takes to train these foundation models, like are we going to live in a world where oligopoly or cartel or all, you know, there's a few companies that have the keys and we're all just like paying them rent. You know, that's one future. Or is it going to be more open and accessible? And I'm like super happy with how that's just I find it exciting on many levels with all the different hats I wear about it. You know, fortunately, you've seen in real life, yeah, even if people aren't bringing GPUs on a plane or something, you've seen like the price performance of these models improve 10 or 100x year over year, which is sort of like many Moore's laws compounded together for a bunch of reasons like that wouldn't have happened without open source. Right. You know, for a lot of same reasons, it's probably better that we can anyone can sort of spin up a website without having to buy an internet information server license like there was some alternative future. So like things are Linux and really good. And there was a good balance of trade to where like people contribute their code and then also benefit from the community returning the favor. I mean, you're seeing that with open source. So you wouldn't see all this like, you know, this flourishing of research and of just sort of the democratization of access to compute without open source. And so I think it's been like phenomenally successful in terms of just moving the ball forward and pretty much anything you care about, I believe, even like safety. You can have a lot more eyes on it and transparency instead of just something is happening. And there was three places with nuclear power plants attached to them. Right. So I think it's it's been awesome to see. And then and again, for like wearing my Dropbox hat, like anybody who's like scaling a service to millions of people, again, I'm probably not using like frontier models for every request. It's, you know, there are a lot of different configurations, mostly with smaller models. And even before you even talk about getting on the device, like, you know, you need this whole kind of constellation of different options. So open source has been great for that.Alessio [00:51:06]: And you were one of the first companies in the cloud repatriation. You kind of brought back all the storage into your own data centers. Where are we in the AI wave for that? I don't think people really care today to bring the models in-house. Like, do you think people will care in the future? Like, especially as you have more small models that you want to control more of the economics? Or are the tokens so subsidized that like it just doesn't matter? It's more like a principle. Yeah. Yeah.Drew [00:51:30]: I mean, I think there's another one where like thinking about the future is a lot easier if you start with the past. So, I mean, there's definitely this like big surge in demand as like there's sort of this FOMO driven bubble of like all of big tech taking their headings and shipping them to Jensen for a couple of years. And then you're like, all right, well, first of all, we've seen this kind of thing before. And in the late 90s with like Fiber, you know, this huge race to like own the internet, own the information superhighway, literally, and then way overbuilt. And then there was this like crash. I don't know to what extent, like maybe it is really different this time. Or, you know, maybe if we create AGI that will sort of solve the rest of the, or we'll just have a different set of things to worry about. But, you know, the simplest way I think about it is like this is sort of a rent not buy phase because, you know, I wouldn't want to be, we're still so early in the maturity, you know, I wouldn't want to be buying like pallets of over like of 286s at a 5x markup when like the 386 and 486 and Pentium and everything are like clearly coming there around the corner. And again, because of open source, there's just been a lot more com
This week on Late To The Party: Stanzi and Brad talk about their love of anime, the days of LimeWire, Brad lying to his kid, incest clichés, and more! Subscribe and Watch on YouTube This episode is sponsored by: GhostBed - Promo code: LATE Connect with Stanzi & Brad: Stanzi on IG: @StanziPotenza Stanzi on TikTok: @StanziPotenza Brad on IG: @ScumbagDadOfficial Brad on TikTok: @TheScumbagDad
This week the lads talk Limewire and really age themselves. When a beautiful stranger leads computer hacker Neo to a forbidding underworld, he discovers the shocking truth--the life he knows is the elaborate deception of an evil cyber-intelligence.
ON EPISODE 27 of the Joey Show Joey is joined by Trevor Wallace for a walk down millennial digital nostalgia lane as they discuss growing up online. From talking to crushes on AIM, flexing on Myspace, and indulging in high culture via Limewire. Plus, adult dude sleepovers, how Trevor came up in comedy and on Vine, and what really makes the road worth it. See Joey live: https://www.joeyavery.com/live Join the mailing list: https://www.joeyavery.com/tell-me-whe...
On the show, we love playing this game with Breezy as the host and Moose and intern Clare as the participants. Moose represents the Millennial generation and intern Clare represents the Gen Z. Both of them have to guess the phrases that applies to their generations. We are going from a LimeWire to being a SIMP. Support the show: https://www.instagram.com/98pxyrochester/
#142: Ever wondered what it was like to navigate the wild, unregulated internet of the 90s? Join Ivy and me, as we share laugh-out-loud stories from our risky adventures in early chat rooms and AIM, where Ivy, under the alias "Skater Girl 98," lied about her age to seem cooler. From dodging the hazards of Limewire to the exhilaration of chatting with strangers, we marvel at how we emerged unscathed from those digital escapades. Tune in for a light-hearted, nostalgic look back at our youthful misadventures and the lessons we learned.But that's not all—our conversation continues as we reminisce about the evolution of communication technology from landline phone calls to the era of texting on T9 keyboards. Reflecting on how our generation straddled both the pre- and post-digital divides, we share cringe-worthy tales from our rebellious teenage years, including an ill-fated attempt to sneak off to a heavy metal concert. This episode is filled with humor, nostalgia, and a reflection on how communication and teenage defiance have evolved. Don't miss out on these entertaining anecdotes as we take a trip down memory lane!You can now send us a text to ask a question or review the show. We would love to hear from you! Follow me on social: https://www.instagram.com/babbles_nonsense/
This week on the podcast we get to sit down with Alex Garcia of Mayday Parade! We first dive into the full recap of the “Lor's Lore” trip to New Jersey and New York, and all the fun activities that ensued with Lor's brother Jon while staying with him in Brooklyn. Even with the unfortunate last minute cancellation of Sad Summer, we still managed to sit and interview Alex about the early days of the band, his old and current music digs, and the golden age of Limewire. Even though it was a sad day for Sad Summer, listen in as we chat with Alex Garcia of Mayday Parade on this week's episode of Beyond the Barricade!----------------------Follow All Things Backing The Barricade:https://www.backingthebarricade.com/https://www.instagram.com/backingthebarricade/https://www.tiktok.com/@backingthebarricade----------------------Follow Madi:https://www.instagram.com/earthtomadison/Follow Lor:https://www.instagram.com/lorealmichele/----------------------Follow Alex:https://www.instagram.com/maydayalex/ Follow Mayday Parade:https://www.instagram.com/maydayparade/
Today on the radio show 1 - Smoko chat. The Olympics wrap-up. 5:40 - The pain of Limewire. 9:14 - Kids these days will never know the pain of. 13:20 - Animals are dicks. 16:46 - Politely cussing people out. 19:28 - Must listen. https://spoti.fi/3X0HA5W 23:48 - The Rock 2000 chat. 26:50 - Life advice with Sam Whitelock. 29:41 - Nicknames vol 51. 33:34 - Jay's mate Dom doesn't eat fruit. 37:54 - Never have never will food edition. 41:09 - 7-Year-old TED talk. 45:08 - Lotto went at 44.6 million. 48:10 - Tim Naki day 5 manifesting the milli season 2. 51:50 - Olympics chat. 56:30 - Late mail. 60:40 - Last drinks. Get in touch with us: https://linktr.ee/therockdriveSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Send us a Text Message.Is gatekeeping ruining the authenticity of your favorite anime or career?" Join us on the Carolina Otaku Podcast for an eye-opening discussion where Afro, Lexi, and our special guest, Dr. Tyler Spriggs—Afro's sister and a veterinarian specializing in dermatology—explore this hot topic. Discover Tyler's compelling journey into veterinary medicine and her passion for treating animal skin conditions, all while uncovering her love for the anime Demon Slayer. Lexi updates us on her latest apparel line and exciting travel plans, while Afro recounts a fascinating incident involving a software glitch at CrowdStrike that shook industries worldwide.Ever wondered about the path to becoming a veterinarian? Dr. Spriggs walks us through her academic and personal challenges, from choosing the right veterinary school to finding her niche in dermatology. We share heartfelt stories of rescuing strays and offer practical pet care tips for first-time dog owners, emphasizing the importance of selecting the right breed to fit your lifestyle. Whether you're looking for advice on pet insurance, safe chew toys, or the best litter options for your cats, this episode is filled with invaluable insights and expert advice.In a nostalgic twist, we reminisce about the days of accessing anime through LimeWire and contrast it with today's streaming ease. Our discussion on gatekeeping in both anime and vet careers brings to light the pros and cons of viral popularity, illustrated by a North Carolina watermelon seller's unexpected rise to fame. From personal anecdotes to broader industry impacts, this episode has something for everyone—anime enthusiasts, pet lovers, and tech aficionados alike. Tune in for an episode rich in stories, debates, and practical tips!https://discord.gg/3q3d7Hy4RBwww.tiktok.com/@carolinaotakuswww.youtube.com/@CarolinaOtakus
What is Post-Third Wave you ask? Why it's a subgenre coined by Checkered Rob of course! It's a regional Ska-Punk boom that existed between 1999 and 2005 after the death of mainstream Ska and before the advent of the true Dark Ages. It consisted of bands that were in high school or college, made rough studio recordings and were highly influenced by the Reel Big Fish, Less Than Jake and the Bosstones. This primer is for those that remember the days of Winamp, Limewire, Myspace, Soulseek, Turn Up the Ska Radio and the mammoth Still Standing Compilation.Hosts: Celine, Rob and JoeyEngineer: JoeyEditor: JoeySkassociate Producer: Chris Reeves of Ska Punk InternationalMerch: www.checkeredpast.ca/merchPatreon: www.patreon.com/checkeredpast
Send us a Text Message.*AI Written*In this episode, I share the nostalgic yet frustrating experience of downloading a movie for the first time in years, reminiscing about the days of LimeWire. We dive into the concept of "nepo babies," exploring its impact across various fields like politics and business, and discuss the reactions to Bronny Jr. being drafted by the Lakers. Finally, I give my take on the movie "Civil War."Don't forget to share and subscribe ;)Support the Show.
Comedian Tommy Ryman is in studio to start the show, the guys talk Napster, LimeWire and other copyright music downloading days
Comedian Tommy Ryman is in studio to start the show, the guys talk Napster, LimeWire and other copyright music downloading days
Comedian Tommy Ryman is in studio to start the show, the guys talk Napster, LimeWire and other copyright music downloading days
This week's episode is about LIVE music! Meagan and Jeff talk about their love of live music and the ways we consume music throughout history. Jeff talks about 8-tracks and devices to trick your car's cassette player. Meagan explains where Maslow stole his hierarchy from.What collective effervescence moments have you had? Let us know!Take a minute to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts. Thank you!Follow usInstagram: @schticklessEmail us with thoughts, comments, encouragement, or good vibes.schtickless@gmail.comArtwork by: @halfcaffdesignsMusic appears courtesy of Leo Goes Grr:Intro: Manhattan from the album Almost FictionOutro: Sunset, OK from the ep We'll Come Back for You
Spoiler: No, millennials are not the most nostalgic generation — we're just in a deeply nostalgic moment in our lives, reckoning (sometimes gracefully, other times less so) with no longer being the Main Character in the generational story. But this moment does give us opportunity to talk about the shape and purpose of nostalgia, how YouTube both amplifies and short-circuits it, and so much more — featuring one of my favorite nostalgia thinkers, Gabe Bullard. We talk about gum commercials, inflated Limewire persecution threats, Bagel Bites, and interrogate the idea of “core memories,” and I cannot wait for your thoughts.Join the ranks of paid subscribers and get bonus content, access to the discussion threads, ad-free episodes, and the knowledge that you're supporting an indie pod trying to make its way in the world. If you're already a subscriber-- thank you! Join us in the discussion thread for this episode! Got a question or idea for a future episode? Let us know here. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit culturestudypod.substack.com/subscribe
The finer details of this episode:Evolution of accounting software and early career experiencesImportance of embracing change and innovation in the industryLeveraging technology to streamline accounting processesChallenges and opportunities in early career development Episode resources:Summit Virtual CFO by Anders website: https://www.summitcpa.net/Email us with questions or if you'd like to be a guest on the show: youngcpasuccessshow@anderscpa.comWe're hiring! Check out our open positions: https://www.summitcpa.net/career-opportunitieshttps://www.finoptimal.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/jesserubenfeld/https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-zehentner-cpa-a0591b5b/If you love this conversation, don't miss Hannah and Joey on the FinOptimal podcast, Another Not Another Accounting Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-77-young-cpas/id1734624758?i=1000653170191 Timestamps:The wild west of the internet (00:00:22)Discussion about the early internet era, LimeWire, and the evolution of music downloading. Evolution of internet and social media (00:03:03)Recollection of early internet trends and social media references, including the YouTube evolution of dance video and internet games. Initial experiences with computer games (00:04:08)Nostalgic conversation about classic computer games like Civilization and Age of Empires. Transition to accounting and QuickBooks (00:05:14)Discussion about the unexpected transition to accounting over the internet and QuickBooks online. Adapting to change in accounting (00:07:26)Reflections on the need for a mindset of continuous improvement and embracing change in the accounting industry. Challenges and rebellion in early career (00:09:18)The defiance and challenges faced in early career stages and the development of confidence to pursue a better way. Challenges in traditional accounting firms (00:10:07)The limitations of traditional accounting firms in embracing new approaches and the unique situation of starting a career at a startup. The role of an architect in accounting (00:13:25)The discussion about the architectural role in making accounting more efficient and the rewarding nature of creative problem-solving. Founding of FinOptimal (00:15:39)The backstory and founding of FinOptimal, including the challenges and evolution of QuickBooks online. Transition to QuickBooks online (00:16:39)Discussion about the transition from QuickBooks desktop to QuickBooks online and the limitations faced in the past. Software automation in accounting (00:17:06)The secret to success being software that automates accounting processes and the decision to go with QuickBooks online. Technology and Business Growth (00:17:28)Discussion about the development of technology to improve efficiency and competitiveness in the accounting industry. Challenges in Accounting Software (00:18:21)Exploration of the challenges and changes in accounting software, including user-friendliness and adaptability to different generations. Building Automation Tools (00:20:22)The process of building automation tools and the importance of understanding accounting nuances for effective tool development. Empowering Young Accountants (00:21:30)Advice and experiences shared to empower young accountants to drive change and innovation in their roles. Risk-taking and Entrepreneurial Spirit (00:23:45)Discussion on the entrepreneurial mindset, risk-taking, and the need for experience in driving improvements and automation in accounting processes. Generational Perspectives on Technology (00:27:56)Exploration of generational perspectives on technology, feedback loops, and the impact of social media on business feedback. Collaboration and Innovation (00:32:30)The importance of collaboration between different generations and skill sets in driving innovation and experimentation in accounting technology. Coding and College (00:35:35)Discussion about coding and the value of learning it in high school and college. Excel and Coding (00:37:37)Comparison between accounting and coding, and the potential for accountants to transition into coding. College Curriculum (00:40:15)Discussion about the relevance of college curriculum to practical accounting work and suggestions for improving it. Communication and Analogies (00:45:14)Importance of communication skills and the use of analogies in effective conversations. Proud Facts (00:48:32)Sharing personal achievements and hobbies, including playing an original song for Billy Joel and cooking. Barbecue Debate (00:51:01)Debate about the quality of Brooklyn brisket compared to Texas brisket. Pizza Making (00:52:30)Discussion about making pizza dough and sauces from scratch using an outdoor pizza oven. Learning to Cook and Culinary Adventures (00:52:40)The guests discuss their experiences with cooking and culinary interests, including attending culinary school and future plans for a restaurant. Appreciation for Taylor Swift (00:54:05)The conversation shifts to a discussion about the love for Taylor Swift's music and the impact of her storytelling through songs. College Football and Rivalries (00:55:15)The guests share their experiences and affiliations with different college football teams, discussing rivalries and game environments. Promoting New Podcast and Farewell (00:56:43)The guests promote their new podcast, share information about their company, and express gratitude for the opportunity to be on the show.
This week on the program, Alex from Portland talks about his Pavement Origin story with jD before they gab about song 34!Transcript: Track 1[1:00] It's Half a Canyon. Ryan, from Soundtrack Your Life, what are your initial thoughts about this song?It's a great song. I really like this song.For some reason, for a long time, I thought this was the last song on Wowie Zowie.It kind of has that epic, you know? Yeah, it has that epic finale,you know, with how it ends and just this big jam of chaos.Hey, this is Westy from the Rock.Track 3[1:33] Roll Band, Pavement, and you're listening to The Countdown.Hey, it's JD here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for SeminoleIndie Rock Band, Pavement.Week over week, we're going to countdown the 50 essential pavement tracks thatyou selected with your very own Top 20 ballads.I then tabulated the results using an abacus and a pool cue I broke over my knee in a moment of rage.How will your favorite song fare in the ranking? You'll need to tune in to find out. So there's that.This week we're joined by Pavement superfan Alex from Portland.Alex, how you doing, motherfucker? Fucking great, JD. How are you?Oh, man, I am stellar right now. I am feeling good. Yeah.How about you? Feeling good myself. I apologize if my vocal cords crack.I decided to sing karaoke last night. Oh, nice.Yeah. What'd you sing?Rocks Off by the Rolling Stones.Oh, wow. I went really, really hard in my Jagger mode, too.So if I sound like a mid-pubescent boy, that's why.Track 3[2:50] That's great. Well, what do you say we talk about pavement? I'm so ready.All right. Hit me with your pavement origin story.It goes like this. So I am a millennial. I was born in 1990.So when they were doing their initial, when they were an active band recordingmusic and touring originally, I was way too young to be a part of it or even know about it.But how I came to Pavement is, I was 15. This would have been 2005.We had a local coffee shop where I'm from, a small town in Indiana.And you would walk down there on a given night, and there would be live music.It was usually acoustic bands.And we were there, me and a couple friends of mine.And we're watching this like i don'tknow kind of like weird sort of indieband they were acoustic but they were still kind of like doingheavier stuff and they were catchy and interesting and weirdand the lyrics didn't really make any sense and iwas fascinated like at 15 years old the shit was blowing my mind and i was likehell yeah dude this band's great and i look over and we see Matt the cool kidand Matt's like this mysterious kind of you know all the boys want to be himall the girls want to be with him he's shout out to Matt that kid was just the coolest kid in our town.Track 3[4:17] And I remember going up to Matt after the show andsaying like man that band we just watched was reallycool and he he takes like you know a probably afive second drag of a cigarette just goes they're justripping off pavement man oh wowand i uh i had never i didn't knowwho that was but of course i'm trying to be cool for cool matt soi'm like yeah dude totally totally ripping offpavement yeah they're they're way better so ii rushed home i open up lime wireof course yeah i've been pavement intothe search bar and and by the way i did want touh i wanted to reiterate something i wrote intoyou when you were doing your old show uh in2005 if you opened up you knowa peer-to-peer illegal downloading appuh and you typed in pavement harness yourhopes was by far the top thingthat would come up really even on limewire even back then it wasn't even closelike it was harness your hopes with however many thousands or hundreds of thousandsof downloads And then I think cut your hair was like number two,but it was down by quite a margin.That's wild. So harness your hopes has been the fan favorite for a lot longerthan people have noticed.Track 3[5:37] I wonder if that's because people were looking, you know, if they're lookingfor pavement, like the idea of a B-side is so savory, you know,and B-sides weren't always easy to get.Yeah it's it might just be theirlike you know undisputed best song and everyonejust knows it or something i don't know but i heardit and i just i walked away with two thoughts after listening to that whichis one this doesn't actually sound anything like that band i just heard at thecoffee shop and number two this is definitely my new favorite band the the wordblew my mind the The guitars were kind of jangly,but also kind of grungy, which like jangle pop and grunge are pretty much my whole wheelhouse.And they sort of combined them seamlessly into one thing. And I'm like, yeah, dude, I'm all in.And from then on, they've, you know, my favorite bands shift,but they've been in the top five ever since. Wow.Track 3[6:36] So when you when you finally decided to jump away from LimeWire and purchaseyour first record, what was the CD or cassette?What was it? What did you end up with out of the shoot? dude?Oh, wowie zowie. That was the one that I was just like, my favorite,you know, my favorite record is definitely wowie zowie.So when I had the chance to purchase it, I had the vinyl.I used to have a picture, but I was wearing, I was wearing a shirt of a band that's now canceled.So I deleted the picture off social media, but I had a picture of me holdingup the smooth blank fourth side of that record yes if you know that record isuh it's it's two and a half side wow.Track 3[7:23] Or three sides yeah yeah yeah you knowwhat i'm saying it's it's a record and a half yeah absolutelyit's yeah yeah i wasso fascinated by that and uh yeah i i'm i'm now a completist i've got all thei've got all the reissues i've got all the you know lux and redux and and allthat basically everything that i could get my hands on and yeah i'm the samei'm the same every Every time I come up with something new,it's like, man, and we're recording this,you know, uh, in February right now.So we've heard of this seven inch box set coming out, but we don't know whatit is, uh, and what it will entail.I'm very curious about it, if it's going to be a must purchase or not.I mean, it's going to be just because I'm a completist. Even if it's not myfavorite or whatever, Terror of Twilight is my least favorite pavement album,but you better believe I bought that thing when it came out a couple of years ago.Yeah. Well, we waited so goddamn long for that.Track 3[8:31] So they really over-delivered, I thought. I thought we waited a long time forit, but it was completely worth the wait once I put the records on my turntable.And so, you know what else I waited a long time for and finally got in,I think it was September of 2022, was I got to see them live for the first time.Oh, I was just going to ask you about shows. September 2022.So where was the venue? In Portland. Well, in Troutdale, which is like northeastof Portland, but they have a venue out there that was big enough to kind ofsuit the size of the show.Gorilla Toss opened for them. I'm a pretty big fan of them.We're in their like hyper pop era, which is really fun.I think I saw them on the road with Gorilla Toss as well.I think I'll have to ask Tim from Portland because he's got a way better memorythan me, but we saw them in Toronto.Track 3[9:29] And I'm pretty sure Gorilla Toss was one of the opening bands and I enjoyed it.Yeah, yeah, I had a blast at that show. Also, one little funny tidbit,when they played Rangelife,Malkma found a way to work in All Cops Are Bastards into the Run From the Pigs,the Fuzz, the Cops, the Heat.He somehow worked that lyric into there, and the crowd went absolutely apeshit.That was the most excited the crowd got on it. He definitely knew he was playingto a Portland crowd. It was really neat.That is cool. Cool. Well, I mean, he's a transplant now, right?He's part Portlander at this point.He's been here a lot longer than I have. Yeah.Also, I wanted to mention another cool thing that happened much more recently,about a month ago on my birthday, actually.Dinosaur Jr. played Portland at the Revolution Hall.All and what i don't know if you've been following their tour or not or if you'reeven a fan um i didn't catch the band sorry dinosaur jr oh okay yeah dinosauryeah yeah yeah so they've been like.Track 3[10:48] And they've been getting like a local musician from whatever city they're playingin to like join them for a song on stage their whole tour.And like, I think it was I think when they were in Philly, they got Kurt Vileto go up with them, stuff like that.And when they were in Portland, you know, guess who the special guest was thatcame out and sang a song with them.I fucking saw that. I saw some video. Yeah. How spoiled were you that night?It was amazing. It was like two of my favorite 90s bands getting up there andjamming out together on one of their best songs.And it was just a lot of fun, and I enjoyed it.To see J and SM dueling guitars would be fucking so cool.They're both so different, but so good, you know?Oh, yeah. With the guitar.Track 3[11:45] Yeah, it was phenomenal. phenomenal also they're they'redoing uh where you've been in its entirety and that'smy favorite dinosaur album so and itwas my birthday and i was like yeah the the universe kindof gave me this as a present like you know gotto see malchmus get up there so it was a lot of fundude that does sound like fun god damn it that's fun well what do you thinkshould we get into to track 34 i think i'm ready to get into it then let's dothis we'll be back on the other side with track 34 hey this is bob nastanovichfrom pavement uh thanks for listening.Track 1[12:23] And now on with a countdown 34.Track 3[15:23] Okay, we are back. You heard it here first.The first song from the original version of Slanted and Enchanted to appearon the countdown, Loretta Scars.Alex from Portland, how are you feeling about Loretta Scars?It's a great song. I've got all kinds of thoughts on it, but,you know, it's on Slanted and Enchanted, which is a great album.It's slanted and enchanted is the least uh varied album in my opinion like,most of the songs on it are kind of of one vibe and this is definitely no exceptionum i think it's a great vibe i i enjoy it but uh yeah um i guess if i can start.Track 3[16:14] Out the gate with With my only really negative take on it. Sure.It kind of feels like. Like the meme of like. Hey mom can we stop for summerbabe. No we have summer babe at home. And it's this.Track 3[16:30] They're different chords. But they're played in the exact same structure.And the drum beats the same. It's that classic Gary Young. Boom boom.You know. Kind of thing. But it's still a great song. I'm definitely not shittingon it at all, and I'm ready to say all good things from here on out.I just figured I would get that out first.Well, hit me. Hit me with some good stuff. Hit me with your best shot, Pat Benatar.So, when you... Okay, how do I put this?When you're listening to the bulk of the lyrics are just, how can I,how can I, how can I make my body shed for you? you body shed around your little scars.If you're listening to the how can I, how can I part, it sounds like he's likedrunk or something, like he's slurring it, like he's not keeping up with the rhythm.Yeah. So just earlier today as a fun little exercise, what I tried to do wassing it myself in a way that would fit the meter and it's impossible.Really? Yeah, you can't do it. There's no way. I don't know if it's becauseHow Can I is three beats and the song's in 4-4, but for whatever reason,you can't really make it go with the beat.And yet, when it gets to...Track 3[17:52] Make my body when he comes in on body it'salways perfectly on beat again even though he like every time he does it itgets a little bit slower and more drawn out kind of drunker sounding uh he nailsit every time so i i really respect the way that the words are delivered from a standpoint oflike this shouldn't work but itdoes right yeah ican i can see that it's very sparse lyrically verysparse lyrically it's funny because uhlike one of the things i love about malchmus andit's the same thing i loved about david berman same thingi love about bob dylan dan behar sometimes neilyoung and joni mitchell is like you'll be listening toa song and you're so like emotionally invested andyou feel the power of it and it's sucha great song and then you're singing along and you stop and you're likei don't know what the fuck i'm singing about right now at all and that that'smost if not all malchus lyrics but yeah i would agree with that but this onei'm like you know and i i even did the thing where i went to genius just to see what they would have.Track 3[19:08] To say and uh you know it'sjust i think it's one paragraph that someonewrote in that just says like the narrator clearly doesn't know how to help theperson named loretta and it's like okay thanks for the information yeah that'sreally gets us nowhere but that but that's all you're gonna get you're gonnaget nowhere if you like i gave up a long time ago trying to like.Track 3[19:33] Grab any serious meaning from a lot of Pavement's catalog, if not all of it.Maybe Grounded is like, you know, doctors are these rich assholes that don'tgive a shit about people.You can grab that from Grounded, but most Pavement songs don't really...I don't think they have a meaning. I don't think that's the point.Track 3[19:56] Yeah, I think there's bits and phrases that you can glean something from,you know, thematically in a song.But few and far between is there like a narrative, which was so different whenhe released his first solo record.And all those songs had like total narratives, like protagonist,beginning, middle, end.And like, there's so many songs on SM's debut that showcase that he's not justsomebody who's just throwing phrases at a wall, but he's really got it.So I don't know, you know, like he told me when I spoke to him that he can compartmentalizePavement and his solo stuff.Track 3[20:40] But there's, to me, there's a little bit of bleed. There's a little bit of bleed on some songs.And I, of course I don't have them in top of my mind right now,but, uh, I tend to agree with you, but I think that there are some that,you know, yeah, no, for sure.And, and I'm, I'm just, of course I'm overgeneralizing, but like,so you're thinking about Loretta scars though.Like that's the, that's the song we're talking about right now. And I mean, I,I, I don't have, I don't know what your thoughts areon what the lyrics could possibly mean but i've gotten nothing yeah well whatis the deal with metal scars at one point he says metal scars how can i shedaround your metal scars like is this a robot is this like what the fuck manwell if it's a robot it's probably not loretta lynn.Track 3[21:32] Oh right yeah only only loretta i know of so yeah it's a not a common name.Track 3[21:39] Or cleveland's ex-wife from family guyi never watched family guy so you'reyou're better you're much better off for itwhat elsehave you got on loretta scars i anything muchelse i mean it's a tough this is a tough ask itthere's literally six lines youknow and then they're repeated it i like how you broke downthe music though there's about three chordsfor most of it there's the gary drum beatthat he does on summer babe um we couldtalk about gary's drumming though for a minute because i i understand me tooi don't i like and this has been said a million times by a million people includingpeople on your podcast um but you know westy is probably the more like.Track 3[22:33] Technically proficient and varied drummerbut gary's got this likecertain style of playing thisswag this kind of like vibe that he creates withthe way he hits the drums and it doesn'tsound like anyone else and i really appreciate thatfor what it is and you can tell gary's song rightaway yeah you're right you can tell a gary song right away ohyeah and this this is a great it likethis would be a good song to demonstrate that point if i was going to play asong for someone and be like this is gary young drumming you know yeah thiswould be the one you would choose it would be it would it would be close i meanlike i said there it's the same drums on summer babe and then you've got uh.Track 3[23:22] What's the, what's the song after a flamethrower where it's only one like linethat he says over and over again?I can't remember the name of the song. Yeah, me neither.But that song is basically the same drum pattern.So whoever's going to be listening to your podcast is going to scream at thephone, whatever the name of that is.And good for them. I do that too.But, uh, yeah, no, it's, it's a good.It's a good example of that Gary Young drum sound, and I'm not a musician,so I can't explain it in technical terms, but because I am like a diehard musicobsessive, I know when I hear it and I know when I don't.Gotcha. And you like it. I love it. Yeah.I love it. I mean, I don't know if there's like a bad pavement song,even their like fuck around, throw away B-sides are usually funny.Track 3[24:18] Agreed yeah i i totally agree with you you know uh there's a lot of a lot ofgood stuff on the b-sides my question my next question for you though is wheredoes this song fit in the top 50 is it rated properly should it have been highershould it have been lower what do you think yeah Yeah,because I only know what like 47 through 50 are,it's difficult for me to like, it would be so much easier for me to come upwith my own top 50 if I knew if I could like argue yours, you know? Right.But yeah, just as far as it being fairly rated, no.Track 3[25:01] Yeah because i don't even know if it makes my top fiveon slanted but but it'salso a great song so agree yeahso would i put it inthe top 25 no but what i put it in thetop 50 yes so 33 sounds aboutright sounds about right yeah that's what i think it'sa top it's a top 40 song because it's fromthat debut record you know uh whichturned so many of us on to pavementnot me because i came so late tothe party and you you came late to the party but thosecool fucking mark kids matt itwas matt you said right yeah yeah hishis his cohort you know we're probablyinto slanted like you know not him specifically but his cohort we're listeningto slanted you know when it dropped and reading zines and whatnot every everylike town every city has got at least one of those mats and probably some of them are named mark and,yeah yeah they're they're always going to be a little bit cooler than you anduh when you're a teenager i think you need that that's like your north staryou know and then you sort of use that as a branch to find your own way andpave your own path and uh i'm grateful i'm grateful I'm grateful for that kid,and I'm grateful for his little comment that made me go search out Pavementand fall in love right away. Really cool origin story.Track 3[26:30] Well, that's what I've got, so I'm not sure if there's anything else you wantto say or if there's anything you want to plug.Track 3[26:39] Well, premature plug, but I don't know when you're releasing this,so maybe it will be out by then.I am starting my own podcast. It's going to be a music-obsessive deep dive,and I'm going to attempt to connect a bunch of dots between bands.Track 3[26:58] Themes, record labels, the culture around it, tracing back from 60s stuff until.Track 3[27:05] Now, 90s, everything in between.Uh it's gonna be sort oflike the charlie day meme where he's gotyou know the he's in like the post office basement he'sgoing through his whole conspiracy with that's right all thestring and shit it's it's gonna be like a musicversion of that so if you'reyeah if you're a music obsessivelike me and you think i'm funnyor crazy or interesting then yeah uh i'll havejd plug this when it's readyto go cool awesome if you don't mind of course i just volunteered you to plugmy show at some point absolutely well alex totally all right brother well that'swhat i've got and that's what alex from portland has so we thank you for tuningin and wash your goddamn hands.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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jD is joined by Pierce from Detroit to discuss his Pavement origin story and wax poetic about song 37 on the countdown. Enjoy!Transcript: [0:00] Hey, it's JD here, and I just wanted to throw something down, somewhat of a challenge to all you musically inclined folks out there.We are going to be doing a pod list again this year, and a pod list is simply a podcast playlist.It's a pod list. The previous four pod lists have consisted of talented members of our Pavement community submitting songs that they have covered from the Pavement oeuvre.Pavement adjacent songs are also welcome. So you could do PSOI, you could do Jicks, you could do Malcolm is Solo.Anything is fair game, truly. So get your band together or grab an acoustic guitar and just play your fucking guts out.From there, submit the song to me by email and we'll go from there.So please submit those songs, jd at meetingmalkmus.com, or even better, use wetransfer.com if it's a big WAV file. And WAV files are what I prefer.That will work out just magnificently. That's what she said.Podlist 5 coming July 8th. So get those songs in and be a part of something special. Thanks so much.Now, on with the show. Previously on the.Track 2:[1:26] Pavement Top 50. Without further ado, number 38, Date with Ikea.Daniel from Chicago. Hey.Talk to me about your experience with this song. Well, it was the first Pavement album that I was able to buy on its release date.So it has a special place.It was released, I think it's April 17th, 1997.And I went to my local mall and walked in and bought this album.Hey, this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band Pavement.Track 4:[2:13] And you're listening to The Countdown. hey it's jd here back for another episode of our top 50 countdown for seminal indie rock band pavement week over week we're going tocount down the 50 essential pavement tracks that you selected with your very own top 20 ballots i tabulated the results using an abacus and a small group of children in the fourth grade,How will your favorite song fare in the rankings? Well, you'll need to tune in to find out. So there's that.This week, we're joined by Pavement superfan, Pierce from Detroit.[2:47] Pierce, how you doing, motherfucker? I'm good, I'm good. It's good to be here.Oh, it's great to have you, man.[2:54] How's the weather in the city right now? It's been unseasonably warm yesterday.We got close to 60. I think we got to 60.So you know every people in shorts and uh it's not going to be here forever it's going to be nice today again and then it's going to go you know it's uh we're still in february so.[3:16] It it's going to be some jacket weather before you know it yeah i bet yeah how about you how what's the what's the weather like there it's been the same here it's been unseasonablylike i wore a vest yesterday instead of a jacket right like kind of nice yeah i mean you know aside from the existential dread but we won't go there yeah i suppose you're right yeah so let'slet's get right to this let's talk about pavement uh you mean my favorite band your favorite band of all time yeah oh man yeah i uh i you know i i kind of i listened to a uh previous episodeand then i you know got my mind you know i'm always jump chomping at the champing at the bit to uh relay my pavement origin story.So, I mean, I don't even know if it's like, it's not anything spectacular, but I mean, I guess the thing that really strikes me is just how much the band means to me and how much musicmeans to me.And, you know, so I'm always, you know, looking to knock on somebody's door and tell them about pavement.[4:26] So where did it all begin? Well, I mean, um, you know, so I came, I found pavement, um, in high school um i uh you know i i was really into just like a lot of corporate rock youknow i was all about like you know back and bc boys which are still i i still like and value those but uh you know i mean it's listening to like the sublime and 311 and you know all thatand And not to say that that's not, if that's your bag, that's your bag, you know, but like I, I, uh, so then in my sophomore year, a friend got me into fish and, um, and so like fish, you know,I, I've had like, I've kind of estranged myself from fish.Um, and I realized that, uh, starting at the top of a pavement podcast, talking about three 11 and, uh, and fish, I don't know if that's the coolest start, but, uh, you know, so I remembervividly, I got an entertainment weekly fish feature magazine and, uh, I guess the summer of 2000.[5:45] Summer of 2000 and just going just before going into my junior year in high school and uh there was a fish a to z and key they had uh like a little cartoon of the guitarist treyworshiping at this pedestal with slanted and enchanted like a little a little drawing on it and uh so key he, the A to Z P for fish was pavement.[6:12] And, uh, I was like, okay, well, I'll check that out.And, um, you know, I got slanted and enchanted and it just, uh, it was like instantaneous, you know?[6:23] And, uh, and so then I think the same day I went out to another CD store, I think I bought it from either a local CD store or from Best Buy.And then I went to another local CD store and i bought the major leagues ep so like wow my first two were like you know slenderman major leagues and uh i was like wow this this iscompletely different but i love it totally so different and so then you know i think within like a couple days i had bought um wowie zowie you know and then i went on uh a week-longsummer uh like a band camp thing to interlocking and uh so i remember being in this school bus and like hearing half a canyon you know and it just it blew my mind i was like in thegarden state natalie totally right i mean the headphones was like this is gonna change you know and uh and i mean um you know the uh the ensuing years of like and even just moments oflike trying to like play it for friends and having them be like oh okay that's cool man but you know and then gradually getting more people into it but yeah I mean man you know it's so it'sjust wild to think that you know.[7:49] My musical adventure really, I mean, I don't want to like put it all on pavement, but I feel like, like that, that really was the catalyst for so many, so many things that I've, um,discovered and enjoyed in the last 24 years.[8:07] Talk to me more about that. What does that look like?Oh man. I mean, so, you know, I'm just, you know, that that was the age of Napster and Audio Galaxy and LimeWire.And so you'd connect your audio galaxy.If you connect your you disconnect the phone line and connect it to your computer and then like try to download three songs and then go to sleep.And then you wake up and like one of the songs would have downloaded and you'd be like, OK, I'm good.Now i know about dinosaur junior you know it's like they would uh that it was just uh it was a wild time and then yeah then the advent of uh you know you had like music mags like thebig takeover and you had um the starting of pitchfork and so just you know over the last however many many years, just, I mean, it's, we just, we live in a, an age of renaissance.I mean, the reissues of just classics and never heard classics.Like I'm into like light Italian library music and like, you know, world music and.[9:28] These niche like i got into vaporwave over the pandemic and i got into dungeon synth and it's just like it's this exploding cosmos of never-ending musical discovery and at the sametime i mean you know at the end of the day pavement's still my number one favorite yeah you know and and terror twilight is my favorite album of all time okay that's which is i i realizedthat that's uh that's kind of like the one of the wildest takes i could have but sure yeah yeah i mean i just uh yeah i mean i when it comes to pavement i would say every just.[10:13] Just about every song every release is like i mean there's something so special i i know i don't know if we're supposed to like lead into this or but i'll just say like you know the earlystuff you know know the the original eps and and seven inches that are collected on westing or yeah um it i mean it's just magical i mean uh yeah there's just there's such a swirling vortexof melody and dissonance and feedback and i mean it really it's it's all it's all thanks to those three individuals that you know were just like conjuring some kind of alchemy out of youknow obviously they had they had their their you know pavement they had their artists that were informing them but I mean the way that Malkmus and Scott and and Gary like.[11:19] Did that i mean it's it's still it's just they could have just done those eps and i would still probably talk with the same reverence but then you know you see you see that line uh andand so you know coming to pavement you know pretty much at the end of pavement without i did too that's So that's my story, too.[11:41] They, you know, I was able to kind of just, like, find this tome of amazingness.And, I mean, with the reissues, I mean, there's clearly still so much to be discovered.I mean, I think we're so fortunate.I mean, with Terror Toilet being my favorite album, like, that reissue, like, last year or the year before.I mean that that was like the greatest thing that matador could i i've been like on you know uh mouth miss and pavement message boards crying for this for just so long and i mean idea orsince 2008 rather yeah and um and i mean it just like it really you know minus it's it's it's missing missing you know just one or two tracks from the at home with the groove box with thegroove box comp but i mean i i have that comp so i i also think it's missing for sale the person school of industry oh right like the actual version right right and um you know that's funnytoo because i i was going to mention that later i feel like the brief slide i feel like hold on.[12:59] Let's come back because we don't mention in the first half at all oh sorry yeah no that's okay Okay.It's all building up to that. Oh, sure, sure. So, yeah, I mean...[13:13] You know, I, I, I was able to see one of the, the Central Park shows.Oh, me too. And, and, oh, awesome.Which one did you go to? I forget now. I think it was the one on the, I want to say it was on the 10th or 11th of September.Okay. All right. Yeah. I think that might've been.[13:36] So I've got the, I've got the poster hanging in the other room.We went to the third night, which was Thursday night.Um and i think the night before uh i had some friends that went and it was there was a downpour, okay so i don't go to that one so i guess i'm fortunate oh so you saw the one with the ocsopen don't worry i have a very poor memory okay well that's okay i'll just say you know pavement is my number one and the ocs are by number two really yeah and so that that that thatsung not seeing that particular show um especially that era like that was like the warm slime uh which i i did i saw the vocs the week before and i told them how excited i was for them tobe opening for pavement oh man were they excited oh yeah and and john doyer like signed my uh signed my my albums that i brought and he like gave me a poster i've got the poster thathe gave me like hanging next to the central park pavement poster um yeah but i mean like.[14:47] You know so that was my at the time my girlfriend now my wife's first time in new york and we like went right up to like we got there probably at like five in the afternoon oh wowand we're like standing right like probably like 20 feet from basically where malchmas would be standing you you know, for the rest of the night.[15:12] So like, you know, we made it through this marathon set and pretty close to the end, like, I think my wife, my now wife was like, I need to go to the restroom.Like, I've been standing in this one spot, you know, because as you're standing there, just people continue to compact.And so eventually you're just kind of stuck, you know, know especially if you want to hold on to your spot um and i was i was standing next to this dude that was like heckling malchus tolike play like deep cuts from like territory which like i'm like thinking in my head like yeah i i want that too but i'm not gonna like not right harass him yeah yeah yeah so that was uh thatwas a really amazing experience and then then we get to see, uh, the Detroit show, um.[16:12] Not last year, but the year before. 2022, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And that was also, that was incredible.I mean, just, wow, what a band, you know? Right, agreed, 100%.So what's your, okay, so just, you're in a rarefied air with Terra Twilight as your number one.What is your least ranked?What's your number five? And I mean, I know these are difficult and often sort of ridiculous questions, too, because it's more like 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D, 1E, right?Right, right. I kind of, I bring it on myself when I throw something like that out there.[16:56] Um but you know i mean i'll say my number five when i first heard brighten the corners i thought that it was my favorite uh i think over time i've come to so with terror twilight ismy number one i think my number two is uh wowie zowie just because i mean it's it's a masterpiece and then then three i think goes to slanted just because again i mean how many timescan you have a masterpiece but they apparently did and then i would say.[17:34] Brighton and then crooked rain and i i you know i know no disrespect to crooked rain because no of course not this is just you know this is just what it is yeah yeah but i mean um,The other thing is just the hidden tracks, the B-sides.I mean, I think that really is what, I mean, I don't know.I would say that the five studio albums are enough to make it like pavement, pavement.But but then this rich, rich undertow of of just amazing songs that, you know, should have made the albums or, you know, in some cases, for sure, at least, you know, at least we havethem.Um you know i i really i i heard you mention uh in a previous episode that there's like a seven inch box coming yeah and uh i'm curious what what that looks like is that me too straightsingles or i don't know are we gonna get a remastered clay tracks like Yeah, but the Secret History.[18:53] You know, they launched that first volume of the Secret History, which is, you know, it's basically just extra tracks from, you know, Slenderman, Enchanted, Lux, and Redux.Um but you know i feel like crooked rain uh uh the desert sessions and uh and what was that we sent no addition like those those are crying to be double or triple augmented yeah yeah imean you know it always it's interesting because when you're putting something like that I mean, I remember being on the Stephen Malkin's forum once.And people, you know, when they came out with the first Secret History Volume 1, they were like, I have all these tracks.But it's like, yeah, I mean, I have those tracks too.And I don't even think at the time, like, Spotify was what Spotify is.But, I mean, there's having the tracks, you know, on CD, and then having the tracks on a 45-7 inch or a 12-inch.But like the joy of being able to put down a two a double lp set or a triple lp set and like flipping it over and having i mean again um what matador did with uh the spit in a stranger ep.[20:19] Uh you know i mean like that's that was a dream come true i mean i i kind of wish that they did that for the the um major leagues one too but you know i mean that i i did get a 4lpbox set as well from them that kind of combines those two into one disc i want i want uh like you can go out and find the nicene creators uh right in the corners on vinyl yeah um like thebox set like like the reissue.But the other three are not.They didn't even issue them on vinyl. So I hope there is, like you say, a reissue of Ellie's Desert Origins and Sorted Sandals and Blacks and Redux.I sure hope that happens. And then I do hope they come out with a Bright in the Corners one again because right now you can only find it on Discogs and it's like 300 bucks.I know. And you know, when I first bought that, I bought it for like, you know, list price for like 90 bucks for Mandador, I couldn't buy it fast enough, right? Right. And then...[21:28] They sat on them for so long because again people i remember that there was a strong reaction to it was like why am i buying this i already bought this as a double cd set and i'mlike nice you're missing the point here this is amazing right yeah and uh and so i ended up buying like two copies for like 20 dollars or something liquidated from matador because theywere just like they couldn't get rid of them fast enough of the vinyl boxes of the vinyl boxes so i was like giving them i gave two out for like christmas or birthday presents what the hell iknow and you know i mean hindsight it's 2020 right i wish that i had uh built my empire but you know i mean um i mean i i can't really see them doing that for the for the first threebecause i but you know i mean who am i to you know weigh in on on what matador will or won't do i mean right we'd have to imagine they like money they're gonna keep monetizing thiscatalog in any way they can what it looks like is what it looks like is anyone's guess right yeah right right but i mean you.[22:44] Know it not to beat a dead horse here but that that tear twilight's i mean like i just i love you know because then following malchus into his solo career i mean there's just so manygreat you know demos and songs that are in with what i presume is the groove box or you know kind of proto uh groove denied and i mean i mean rooftop gambler corpus and the handgrenade those are like Two of my favorite songs. Wow.[23:17] I just love it. I love it so much.Damn. Well, I wonder if you're going to like the song that we're covering today.Oh, definitely. Should we get ready to give it a spin? Let's do it.All right. We'll see you on the other side with track number 37 on the countdown.Hey, this is Bob Nestanovich from Pavement. Thanks for listening.Track 2:[23:39] And now on with a countdown. 37. Mmm.Track 4:[25:38] So there we have it. Debris Slide is the first song on the countdown from Perfect Sound Forever.It's a 1990 EP.This song is side two, track two. It's Debris Slide. What are you thinking here, Pierce, from Detroit?Oh, man. I mean, it's classic, right?I mean, I would say, you know, know when i think about the the tracks from the first few eps the first you know perfect sound forever slate tracks demolition plot g7 you kind of have agrab bag of like just kind of wild, noisy experimental quote-unquote pop and then you know occasionally they're gonna throw in like those capital s songs to kind of anchor out you knowand kind of uh totally give it give it a little bit more substance so i think you know if if you were to be looking for the song uh to play for someone off of you know westing by musket andsextant outside of summer babe i mean that And even that, I can't really say that, because, like, Baptist Black Tick.[26:59] Box Elder. Box Elder. I mean, and so I feel like Debris Light kind of takes, like, the song, the songiness.It's not the song, Box Elder, but it's the songiness, the kind of verse, chorus, verse, chorus. Yeah.Distilled. and then it marries it with like all of the wild zany scuzzy distortion and it's got like that frantic energy which you know i'm sure you and and anybody listening to pavementrealizes but it was definitely eye-opening to me when i started first like playing records out like pavement doesn't have a whole lot of amps up tunes, you know, like, like they have, youknow, unfair and they have, uh, you know, flux equals rad.And there's, I mean, there's a host of other songs that like have a, have a, I mean, embassy row.Right. But like for the most part, pavements wheelhouse is, um, you know, just.[28:15] Uh a song that opens up and is uh is just kind of giving you this walking tour of uh milk missus uh thesaurus and dictionary and guitar traps um so like so this song is really it's kindof a weird one because i mean i feel like you know normally you're getting just these these really weird, you know, similes and metaphors and, and weird word placements.And this one is kind of like, he's just playing with like homonyms, you know, he's like, and I mean, it's great. It's, uh.[29:00] Without wanting to make a completely wrong, um, hot take, you know, it's kind of like, uh, i don't know like just just like a you know punky yeah you know kind of tossed off itdefinitely i mean that that's that's one of the attributes that's so fantastic about all these early songs is just how uh like easy it sounds to them like they're just inventing magic if you if youwere were to listen to just the music without the melody and lyrics it would sound like a pretty hardcore song you know i was gonna say like black flag and you know i just like got intoblack flag in the last year or so um and and so and i know that that that was an influence i mean uh.[29:57] It really it's it's kind of unusual for for pavement but at the same time you can see why you know it it became a perennial favorite for like setlist and also i mean i feel like it thissong maybe in particular informs so much of slanted you know i mean yeah well it's so melodic like it's got a great melody it's got the bop bop bops you know make you nod your headand throw you back to a different time uh like a music making and yet they do it so it's almost flippant like it's really it's really pretty cool that they're yeah you know almost thumbingtheir nose at this traditional pop but they're performing it at the same time yeah really really fucking cool yeah and then you know uh i was gonna mention it earlier um just the uh.[30:54] The ba-ba-ba-da-ba's kind of are referenced again all those years later by Scott with For Sale, the Preston School of Industry. I mean, I don't know.[31:09] That just came to me just before we were getting on.I was like, I don't know in the back of my head if there are any other pavement songs with ba-ba-ba-da-ba going on in them.Um well there's a lot that like have something that rings similar to that right like you think cut your hair you think um uh painted soldiers um okay just off the top of my head uh yeah youknow thinking about it quickly but there yeah there it is almost a pavement hallmark this you know this melodic sort of la la la kind of thing yeah you know um yeah obviously not likelike rock solid blueprint because there is no blueprint for this stuff.They, you know, they just, when you think, you know, the answer, they change the questions, you know? So where, so what are you thinking?This song comes in at number 37. Is it properly rated?Is it overrated? Is it underrated?Where, where should it have appeared in your mind?No, it's hard because I think, you know, I, I've participated in any number of threads, you know, your top 10, your top 20.[32:29] What are your favorite Pavement songs? And I mean, I feel like because this band means so much to me, I kind of tend to dig a little bit deeper.I mean, like, from the perfect sound forever, I mean, Angel Carver Blues, Melodjazz Duck, that would probably be my pick from here, or even Heckler Spray.But, you know, just because I love all these songs doesn't mean Cut Your Hair isn't amazing, right?Right, exactly, yeah. I would say, you know...I think this song is pretty well-rated.[33:21] I mean, again, with a band this expansive and with such awesome tunes, I mean, they're going to take you some places.So, like, I don't really feel like any top 20 or 50 is going to look, I mean, you know, I've got, like I said to you earlier, like the porpoise and the hand grenade rooftop.I mean, those that go in my top 10, and I don't think that would really, I mean, I really, I just love it. You're a big haul guy.[34:05] Uh but i mean i i i love debris slide so i i would say it's perfectly rated oh well i love it that's great well pierce it's been wonderful talking to you this afternoon yeah thanks forputting up with my uh oh shit this it's always great talking to people yeah after doing this for three years just with myself i'm like kicking myself why didn't i have people on earlier earlierit makes it so much easier no this is this is so cool and uh super you're super easy to talk to um i and and so i i really relish the opportunity i'll jump at the chance of talking about aboutthis music as often as i can uh i don't know if you you want me to uh set up my uh my, my pitch here, uh, throw it, throw in a little, so I've got, uh, a website that I started, um, um.[35:06] Just last year, and it's kind of based off of a cartoon that I drew like maybe 15 years ago.But it's like a mixtape slash comics website.It's kind of like loosely based around paranormal peanuts, kind of gumshoe ghost.And he, uh, he researches capers and it's a lot of nonsense, uh, uh, non sequiturs.And then a lot of mixes that, you know, feature pavement and the fall and Sunra and, um, all, all, all manner of things.So that the name of the website is ghostropolis.com.Ghostropolis.com. Yep. Yep, g-h-o-s-t-r-o-t-o-l-i-s.com. And it's Ghostropolis Radio.You can also do GhostropolisRadio.com.So if you put Ghostropolis in the Google machine, you'll likely get where you need to go. I think so.From the fertile mind of Pierce from Detroit, Ghostopolis.com.[36:22] Ghostropolis. Ghostropolis. Oh, shit, I just fucked it up already.Oh, you're good. no hey i appreciate it man all right buddy i appreciate you thanks so much for doing this all right thanks for having me all right wash your goddamn hands.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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In this episode, we discuss our nostalgia for MySpace and the rise and fall of the platform. We also reminisce about LimeWire and the era of downloading music. The conversation then shifts to a review of the Ultra Live Sets and the emergence of drum and bass in mainstream music. We discuss the diversity of lineups at music festivals and the appreciation for drum and bass as a genre. We discuss the challenges of getting booked at Ultra Music Festival, the factors that influence a promoter's decision, and the importance of building relationships. We also talk about the differences between signing a track to a label and signing an exclusive deal, as well as the platforms that provide the most success for artists. (00:00) Introduction and Nostalgia for MySpace (10:05) Review of Ultra Live Sets (14:21) Lineup Diversity at Music Festivals (18:32) Getting Booked at Ultra (25:45) Signing with a Label (34:13) Platforms for Success (39:03) The Importance of Branding (46:09) Working with Artists with Big Egos (53:06) The Challenges of Content Creation and Social Media (58:06) The Importance of Reclaiming Master Rights Join the Artist Coaching Community on Discord! https://discord.gg/8NmAxsXTYn Follow us on: https://www.tiktok.com/@artistcoaching https://www.instagram.com/artistcoachingnl/ https://www.facebook.com/artistcoachingnl
Please enjoy this victory lap of Season One episodes as we celebrate 10 years of The Worst Idea of All Time. New episodes posting on our Substack.Original Description:Guy's back and more awake than ever. He didn't go to sleep for the whole movie this time! And he's bringing the Paddy Shwartz noise! Facts on where Paddy works out, where Paddy eats and more! Plus the age old question: Would you eat a placenta? The boys also fondly remember Sandler's hit comedy song 'Piece of Shit Car' and a bygone era of Napster and Limewire. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
GUEST OVERVIEW: Mark Gorton is the founder and Chairman of Tower Research Capital LLC, one of the leading computerized trading firms in the world. He was also the founder and CEO of the file-sharing company, LimeWire. Gorton is a life-long advocate for livable streets, alternative transportation, and open government. He founded Open Plans in 1999 and is also a Founding Board Member of Reinvent Albany, a non-profit that seeks ethical New York government and fair elections. Gorton holds a Bachelor's in Electrical Engineering from Yale University, a Master's in Electrical Engineering from Stanford University, and an MBA from Harvard University.
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On this episode, we chat with podcaster and pop culture critic Kate Kennedy. Kate is the author of One in a Millennial, a fresh new take on millennial culture (that also comes out this week). We talk about Kate's early interest in American Girl and the process of writing her life story (thus far). Kate shares what it's been like to return to her childhood faves and what she's learned along the way about girlhood and growing up. If you have *~ thoughts *~ On Friendship, Feelings, Fangirls, and Fitting In ~ you will want to get cozy on a 90s daybed and put this episode on a burned CD (via Limewire, somehow) to enjoy Kate's wisdom. Follow Kate on Instagram: @kateKennedy @bethereinfive Visit her website: https://bethereinfive.com/about-kate-kennedy Order One in a Millennial: https://bookshop.org/a/95526/9781250285126 Resources: You can find episodes, resources, and a link to our merch store and patreon on our website: dollsofourlivespod.com Support us on Patreon: patreon.com/dollsofourlivespod Order our book: Dolls of Our Lives: Why We Can't Quit American Girl Order our audiobook: Dolls of Our Lives: Why We Can't Quit American Girl (Digital Audio) Check out books we mention at our bookshop.org storefront. We love to hear from you! Drop us a line dollsofourlivespod@gmail.com Follow us on social media: Instagram -@dollsofourlivespodcast Twitter - @dollslivespod Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/DollsOfOurLivesPod/ Follow Allison on Twitter and Instagram @allisonhorrocks Follow Mary @mimimahoney (Instagram) or @marymahoney123 (Twitter) Need a source of calm in your day? Listeners will get a free audiobook when you start a new monthly Libro.fm membership for $14.99 a month. You'll get two audiobooks for the price of one in your first month as a member. Valid in the US and Canada.Subscribe to Libro FM! Choose from over 150,000 audiobooks and even support your local bookstore with your purchases as a member. To sign up, use code DOLLS or this link: https://tidd.ly/3EwqiF5
Friend of the pod, #38 Ryan Hartman, stops by to discuss recent on-ice antics, his new truck, his love of mixtapes, being a good teammate, playing with Marc-Andre Fleury and so much more. Listen up or face a hefty fine, now on LimeWire and Napster.
HAPPY NEW YEAR! The pod is kicking off 2024 in a big way with its first ever furry-identified guest! Comedian Adario Mercadante has been doing standup since the age of eighteen, and is truly one of the *sweetest* men alive. Like many '90s kids, Adario first discovered furry content on sites like LimeWire and Kazaa, and his fascination/titillation led him to further resources like Furcadia and Yiffstar. Adario not only details his full journey from pre-puberty to adulthood, but also answers several FAQs, such as "Is being a furry just a sexual kink, or is there more to it?" Plus, Adario discusses his decision to come out to the *entire world* via his appearance on ABC's The Prank Panel, and shares the incredibly moving story of how doing so literally changed his life. Forget everything you think you know about furries, and learn about the community from one of its proudest (and, since his appearance on TV, most prominent) members!First and foremost, watch Adario's episode of The Prank Panel for free at https://abc.com/shows/the-prank-panel/episode-guide/season-01/09-bride-swap-furry-double-cross (his segment starts just before the twenty-five minute mark)! Then give him a follow on TikTok at @adariomercadante, on Instagram at @adario1, and on Twitter at @YammoYeen. Lastly, if you want to check out the furry YouTuber who Adario shouted out, go to https://www.youtube.com/@BetaEtaDelota. Awoo!This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5207650/advertisement
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In crypto news today Coinbase is allowing institutions to tokenize real world assets on BASE. CFTC chairman talks crypto regulations which exposes SEC chair Gary Gensler.
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Today's Headlines: Electoral trends appear to favor Democrats after two key special elections this week. In the Pennsylvania House of Representatives, former congressional aide Lindsay Powell's victory ensures Democrats retain a 1-vote majority. Meanwhile, in New Hampshire, Democrat Hal Rafter won a special election in a traditionally Republican-leaning district, potentially ending full Republican control of the state government if they win another upcoming special election. Rupert Murdoch has stepped down, with his son Lachlan Murdoch taking over leadership roles in their media companies. Talks have resumed between Hollywood guilds and studios, aiming to avoid a strike. Congress faces challenges passing a 2024 federal spending bill, and President Biden announced a military aid package for Ukraine amidst Russian strikes. A lawsuit by 17 authors alleges OpenAI's systematic theft of their copyrighted works for training AI models. LimeWire, the defunct file-sharing service, is making a comeback in a new form with AI generation capabilities. Resources/Articles mentioned in this episode: AP News: Democrats retain narrow control of Pennsylvania House after special election ABC News: Democrats have been winning big in special elections Ap News: Rupert Murdoch's surprise exit from Fox leaves son Lachlan in line of succession at media empire The Guardian: Hollywood writers' strikes: fresh talks with studios raise hopes of end to WGA standoff Axios: Congress leaves for weekend with no shutdown solution in sight AP News: Zelenskyy delivers upbeat message to US lawmakers on war progress as some Republican support softens AP News: ‘Game of Thrones' creator and other authors sue ChatGPT-maker OpenAI for copyright infringement Axios: LimeWire is back — but this time, it's all about AI Morning Announcements is produced by Sami Sage alongside Amanda Duberman and Bridget Schwartz Edited by Grace Hernandez-Johnson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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