Podcast appearances and mentions of jake rudin

In this episode of Redlines, we explore the journey of Mathew, an architect whose career took unexpected turns, leading him to question the very profession he had spent decades pursuing. From an exciting, high-energy design studio in New York to the pressures of rapid project timelines, unrealistic expectations, and industry-wide burnout, Mathew's story is one of resilience, change, and ultimately, reinvention.Through candid reflections, Mathew shares the emotional and professional struggles he faced, from navigating toxic work environments to confronting the reality of architecture's grueling demands. As he found himself constantly moving from one job to the next, recession after recession, Mathew reached a breaking point—one that led him to redefine success and seek fulfillment outside of traditional practice.This episode challenges the glorified image of the “dream job” in architecture and examines how professionals can reclaim their careers on their own terms.5 Key Takeaways:The hidden red flags in architectural firms and why they often go unnoticed until it's too late.How an architect's passion for design can be overshadowed by toxic work culture and unrealistic expectations.The pivotal moments that force architects to reassess their career paths—whether due to burnout, layoffs, or changing personal priorities.How the recession acted as a catalyst for career reinvention, pushing Mathew toward a new path in project management.The importance of confidence, adaptability, and knowing when to walk away from a profession that no longer serves you.Quotes:“I was convinced that being back in architecture would make me happy. And it just didn't.”“The profession has changed in so many ways, but in others, it has stayed exactly the same.”“You don't need to be a specialist to succeed—being a generalist can open more doors than you think.” ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

In this engaging episode of "Tangents by Out of Architecture," our guest Xinran Ma shares his inspiring journey from a traditional architecture career to the innovative field of product design at Redfin. Our conversation delves deeply into the mindset shift required for career transition, and the strategies Xinran employed to gain experience and build credibility in a new industry. From studying architecture in China and New York to fostering a passion for user experience design, Xinran's story illustrates the diverse applications of architectural skills beyond conventional practice.Xinran elaborates on the differences between architectural education and practice, highlighting how his idealistic aspirations met practical realities that motivated his transition. He offers rich insights into the importance of design thinking and user interaction, emphasizing his path to becoming an accomplished UX designer. Highlights:Transitioning from architecture to UX design involves a significant mindset shift, focusing on design thinking and practical constraints.Real-world project experience is crucial for breaking into new fields, as it adds credibility and context to interviews and portfolios.Changing careers can be daunting but provides an opportunity to explore personal passions and gain fulfillment through meaningful work.Networking and community engagement can unexpectedly lead to job opportunities and career insights.Perseverance and a strategic approach can help overcome initial setbacks when venturing into a new profession.Links:Design with AI Substack Link: https://designwithai.substack.com/Buy Xinran's Book: https://amzn.to/3C726dfXinran's website: https://www.xinranma.com/Guest Bio:Xinran is an architect turned product designer on a mission to empower designers to elevate their careers and live better lives. He went from designing buildings to crafting digital experiences, and now he is exploring the power of AI in design. He is the founder of Design with AI, a digital publication to help designers design better, faster, and smarter with AI through practical tips. He is also the author of three Amazon #1 New Release books in UX and have been recognized as an ADPList's Top 1% Mentor in Design five times. He regularly gives AI talks and runs workshops at institutions like Microsoft, UXPA, Pratt Institute, the University of Connecticut, and Maven. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Our guest today is Makoto Eyre, cofounder and CEO of Homeostasis, a climate tech startup transforming CO2 into advanced carbon materials like graphite for lithium-ion batteries. Makoto's story exemplifies the power of curiosity, resilience, and the ability to leverage architectural skills to navigate bold career transitions. This episode explores how interdisciplinary thinking, engineering expertise, and a service-driven mindset can lead to impactful innovation. Tune in to hear how Makoto redefined his career to tackle climate challenges and build a sustainable future.Makoto's career journey is a testament to the versatility of architectural skills. After starting his career as a designer and architect-in-training at Seattle's SkB Architects, he transitioned to roles in aerospace engineering at NASA and Blue Origin. Now leading Homeostasis, Makoto is addressing critical global challenges by applying design and engineering principles to climate tech solutions. In his free time, he enjoys bouldering, running, hiking, and tinkering with projects.Highlights:The challenges of traditional architectural practice and the desire to create broader societal impact.The journey from architecture to mechanical engineering and a passion for space exploration.Co-founding Homeostasis, a climate tech startup transforming CO2 into graphite for lithium-ion batteries.Navigating the uncertainties of business development and embracing a service-driven Lessons on resilience, embracing discomfort, and the importance of supportive communitiesGuest Bio:Makoto Eyre is the cofounder and CEO of Homeostasis, a climate tech startup that produces advanced carbon materials, such as graphite for lithium ion batteries, out of CO2. Prior to founding Homeostasis, Makoto worked as a spacecraft configuration & systems engineer at the Advanced Development Program at Blue Origin, as a contracted space architect at NASA's Johnson Space Center, and as a designer & architect in training at SkB Architects in Seattle. Makoto has degrees in architecture and mechanical engineering from the Rhode Island School of Design and the University of Washington, respectively. In his free time, Makoto enjoys bouldering, running, hiking, reading in the park, and building/modding/repairing. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Danny Rupp (he/him) is a web development team lead who has been lucky enough to work-from-home in Maryland since 2010. With a bachelor's degree in Architecture from the University of Maryland he started his career as an architectural designer, but slowly transitioned on the job into working as a full stack web developer on software for office space planning. In 2020 he made the jump out of architecture and into full time web development as a Drupal developer and team lead.In this enriching episode of Tangents, host Silvia welcomes Danny Rupp, a versatile expert who has navigated a unique pathway from architecture to web development. Danny describes himself using three distinctive words: extroverted, empathic, and curious. He delves into his career beginnings, highlighting his tenure at a small architecture firm in Maryland and his adaptation during the 2008 financial crisis. Danny's pivot to web development, driven by his passion for coding and problem-solving, emerges as a central theme. He reflects on his dual role in architectural federal contracting and web development, emphasizing the value of continuous learning and adaptation.The episode is a treasure trove of insights for anyone contemplating a career shift from architecture to the tech industry. Danny's journey underscores the importance of leveraging diverse skills and remaining open to new opportunities. He shares practical advice on how to approach job transitions, the significance of showcasing one's learning mindset on resumes, and the benefits of working from home. With key takeaways focusing on problem-solving, iterative design, and effective project management, this episode is a must-listen for aspiring architects and tech enthusiasts alike.Highlights:Adaptability in Career Shifts: Danny's transition from architecture to web development illustrates the value of leveraging diverse skill sets and staying open to new learning opportunities.Continuous Learning: Highlighting the importance of curiosity, Danny emphasizes the value of always pursuing new knowledge and adapting to industry changes.Effective Project Management: Danny shares insights on the significance of good project management, particularly the benefits of prioritizing tasks and transparent communication.Working from Home: Danny discusses his long-term experience with remote work, the productivity benefits, and maintaining a good work-life balance.Connecting with Peers: The episode underscores the importance of networking and learning from friends and colleagues across various industries to foster career growth.Mentioned in the episode: https://www.archcareersguide.com/https://www.codecademy.com/ ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Our guest today is Ramesh Pari, Head of Design + BIM at Ocado Group. He highlights the importance of pragmatism, lifelong learning, and leveraging architectural skills in new ways. This episode explores the dynamics of tech culture, the benefits of cross-industry skills, and the courage needed to pursue fulfilling career changes. Tune in to gain insights on balancing professional aspirations with personal growth.Ramesh is a prime example of how career pivots can lead to incredible success. After spending a decade as a project architect in the residential and commercial sectors, specializing in technical design, he made the bold decision to transition into the tech industry. Now, with six years leading the design and BIM functions at the UK tech firm Ocado, Ramesh has advanced to Head of Design, managing global projects across 10 countries with teams based in the UK and Poland. Passionate about guiding others through similar transitions, Ramesh is dedicated to empowering professionals from traditional fields to thrive in new, dynamic careers.Highlights:Career Transition: Ramesh discusses the challenges and rewards of transitioning from architecture to the tech sector, emphasizing the importance of continuous learning and pragmatism.Skill Utilization: Key architectural skills such as visionary problem-solving and storytelling have been crucial to Ramesh's success in tech.Tech Culture: The supportive and flexible nature of tech industry culture contrasts with the rigid structures of traditional architecture, fostering innovation and collaboration.Importance of Communication: Effective communication and understanding commercial realities are pivotal in driving projects and achieving buy-in from stakeholders.Future Planning: Ramesh advocates for adaptability and openness to change, encouraging professionals to redefine success and explore new opportunities beyond traditional career paths. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Adrian Maldonado, Career Advisor at Out of Architecture, is a seasoned professional with a background in architecture who made a successful transition into the field of UX design. With a passion for design and a knack for problem-solving, Adrian brings a unique perspective to his role as a lead UX designer. He is dedicated to helping individuals navigate career transitions, leveraging his experience to guide others towards fulfilling and meaningful professional paths.Highlights:The importance of networking and strategic planning in transitioning from architecture to UX design.The value of transferable skills and the impact of attitude and work ethic in career transitions.The role of perseverance and grit in overcoming challenges and achieving professional growth.The exploration of design principles, problem-solving approaches, and human-centered perspectives offers valuable insights for aspiring UX designers.Learn more about Adrian here: https://www.outofarchitecture.com/bio-adrian-maldonado ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

In this episode, Jacki Schaefer shares her journey in architecture, highlighting the challenges faced during her career, the importance of job security, and the impact of curiosity on personal and professional growth. She discusses the value of architecture education in developing critical thinking skills and self-awareness. Jacki emphasizes the need for individuals to align their career choices with their values and passions for long-term fulfilment.Key insights include reflections on the architecture industry, the significance of finding one's identity beyond a profession, and the transformational power of self-exploration and authenticity in career decisions.Highlights:The importance of job security and the need for individuals to explore diverse career paths within and outside the architecture industry.Architecture education instills critical thinking and self-reflection skills that can transcend the profession and benefit personal growth.Curiosity is a powerful driver for success, enabling individuals to seek opportunities aligned with their values and interests.Finding one's identity beyond a specific profession is crucial for long-term career satisfaction and personal fulfillment.Networking and seeking diverse experiences contribute to self-discovery and lead to a deeper understanding of individual goals and aspirations.Learn more about Jacki here: https://www.outofarchitecture.com/bio-jacki-schaefer ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

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In this episode of Redlines, we hear the sobering story of Joan, an experienced but unlicensed architecture professional who faced a devastating lawsuit that threatened her career and livelihood. Joan shares her journey of running a successful design practice for years, only to have it come crashing down due to a dispute with foreign investors on a challenging hillside project.As Joan recounts the details of the case, we gain insight into the precarious position many unlicensed designers find themselves in, despite years of experience and expertise. Her story highlights the complex interplay between licensure, legal liability, and industry norms, especially in residential architecture.Through Joan's experience, listeners will gain a deeper understanding of the risks unlicensed professionals face, the barriers to licensure that persist in the field, and the lack of protections available when legal challenges arise. This episode serves as a stark wake-up call about the importance of licensure while also questioning whether current systems adequately support the realities of architectural practice.Join us as we unpack the nuances of this dramatic story and explore the broader implications for the architecture and design community. Redlines once again gives voice to the rarely discussed challenges that plague the industry, offering valuable insights on navigating these treacherous waters.5 key takeaways:The prevalence of unlicensed professionals in residential architecture and the risks this can poseBarriers to licensure including complex requirements, rolling clocks, and accessibility issuesThe lack of legal protections for unlicensed professionals, even with liability insuranceHow foreign investors and aggressive litigation can exploit vulnerabilities in the systemThe long-lasting personal and professional consequences of facing a major lawsuitQuotes: "My client just said they're being so demanding [and] problematic, so stop responding. I was like, ‘okay.' Then I got served. And I was very confused because the company suing me didn't just sue my company. They sued my company and me as a person. And then the company that filed the lawsuit—I didn't even know their name.I'm like, who's this company? Who's this suing me for a million dollars?""I really want to share my story because I want people to know that sometimes, especially people in our field, no matter how careful you are with every step you take, there's always that unknown that could hit you hard.Now, looking back, it seems that licensure was more important than I really gave it credit for. And if that's not in your cards at the moment, I want you to know how bad it could get. That's why I'm willing to share. "Relevant Links:Out of Architecture website: https://www.outofarchitecture.comInformation on becoming an Out of Architecture Patreon supporter: https://www.patreon.com/outofarchitectureIf you have resources to share that you think may be helpful to what was discussed in this episode, please email us at: redlines@outofarchitecture.com ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Our guest today, Nate Steinrueck, Product Strategist at Outer Labs, shares his journey from studying anthropology to working in architecture and eventually transitioning into the tech industry. He emphasizes the importance of being a good listener, learner, and helper in his work, and how these qualities have shaped his career. Nate also discusses the similarities between architecture and product strategy, highlighting the value of problem-solving and effective communication in both fields. He offers advice for those looking to make a career change and emphasizes the importance of finding alignment between one's strengths and passions.Listen to the end to hear our highlight from OOA community member, Rachel Gresham, Senior Director, Professional Practice Programs at The American Institute of Architects. Connect with her on Linkedin, and let her know you found her through the Tangents podcast.Highlights:Nate strives to be a listener, learner, and helper in his work, focusing on understanding the needs of others and finding ways to make their work more efficient.His background in architecture has provided him with valuable insights and skills that he applies to his role as a product strategist.Effective communication and problem-solving are essential in both architecture and product strategy.When making a career change, it's important to evaluate your strengths and passions and find alignment with the roles and companies you're considering. (Find out the interesting way Nate went about doing this!) ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On this episode of Tangents, Erin Pellegrino, Principal at Matter, and Co-Founder of Out of Architecture, shares her journey of balancing making and thinking in architecture, leading to a fulfilling and impactful career. From rebellious tomboy to successful architect, she discusses her approach to challenging the status quo and overcoming roadblocks by adopting a mindset of perseverance and continuous improvement. Erin's stories of building an Alpine shelter in the Alps and transforming a mid-century modern house's kitchen highlight the power of architecture to create meaningful spaces. From starting her own practice to co-founding Out of Architecture, Erin's experiences offer valuable insights into thriving as a creative professional.Key Takeaways:Erin emphasizes the importance of remaining curious, ambitious, and optimistic to navigate the challenges of the architecture field.Building a career in architecture involves a balance between making and thinking, while striving to make a positive impact on the world.Overcoming insecurities and fears is crucial in pursuing one's career goals, along with seeking mentorship and support from experienced professionals.Responding to "no" by reframing it as an opportunity for refinement and improvement can lead to transformative outcomes in projects and career endeavors.Engaging in socially engaged work, such as projects for the unhoused, showcases the immense potential of architecture to address social issues and create meaningful change.Highlights:Ambitious, Curious, Striving to be an OptimistEri Berry Woman Drink RecipeFalling in Love with the Folk Art MuseumDoing It All: From Teaching, To Practicing and MoreProfessional Practice: Expectations Vs. RealityCreating Out of ArchitectureOvercoming Feelings of InadequacyWhat Success Feels LikeArchitecture is an Inherently Optimistic ActAdvice for Starting Your Own PracticeGet Comfortable Asking for What You WantFiguring Out How To Get Things DoneThen Challenging How Things Are DoneBuilding A Wave of Change ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Our guest today is Jake Rudin, Senior Manager Digital Technologies at Adidas, and Co-Founder of Out of Architecture. In this episode, Jake Rudin discusses his journey from architecture to leading digital innovation at Adidas, emphasizing the importance of confidence in showcasing one's skills in job interviews. He shares insights on translating architectural skills into various industries, the power of visual representation in presentations, and the significance of treating your career like a design problem. Jake also delves into the founding of Out of Architecture and the impact it has had on helping individuals navigate career transitions.Jake provides valuable advice on redefining oneself, embracing career changes, and utilizing architectural skills in diverse contexts, inspiring listeners to explore new paths beyond traditional practice. The episode touches on the essence of being an architect as a dreamer and problem solver, capable of making a positive impact in various spheres.Highlights:Designer, Educator, MakerFollowing A Passion for ArchitectureNot Being Limited by Job DescriptionsCommunicating Your Abilities in Resumes and InterviewsConfidence is KeyTreat Your Career Like a Design ProblemDemand for Out of Architecture AdviceThe Power of Visual RepresentationGet Started with Out of ArchitectureDefining An Architect and Redefining Yourself ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

This week, we switch things up a little bit where where our host Silvia Lee is interviewed by Out of Architecture's very own Jake Rudin!Silvia Lee is the Director of Customer Success at Layer, an adjunct instructor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology, and the host of this Tangents podcast by Out of Architecture. With a background in architecture and a passion for enabling others to achieve their dreams, Silvia brings a unique perspective to her various roles. Her ability to communicate effectively and create connections with people has led to successful collaborations and a fulfilling career journey. By embracing new opportunities and being open to change, Silvia has been able to thrive in roles that allow her to leverage her diverse skill set and make a meaningful impact.Highlights:Navigating Architectural Careers and Finding Personal StrengthsThe importance of leveraging transferable skills in varied industriesThe value of following one's passions, enabling others, and maintaining authenticity in career pursuitsThe power of effective communication, building connections, and embracing new opportunities for growth and developmentFinding Joy and Connection in Podcasting and Passion ProjectsFind out more at:https://www.linkedin.com/in/silviaxlee/https://layer.team/ ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

In this Tangents episode, we speak with ELLEN ABRAHAM, Chief Pin Officer at Architect Pins, one of our amazing OOA Advisors and Senior Project Manager and Co-Founder of Equity Design Lab @ SOM.In this episode, Ellen Abraham discusses the power of architects as change makers and the importance of thinking beyond traditional roles in the industry. She shares her background in architecture, from growing up in Dominica to pursuing her education and career in New York. Ellen also highlights her current role as a Senior Project Manager at SOM and the founding of the Equity Design Lab, which focuses on community-first and equitable design practices. She emphasizes the need for architects to consider the impact of their designs on communities and the importance of measuring success in terms of social equity, economic equity, and ecology.Highlights:Architects have the power to be change makers and positively impact communities through their designs.The Equity Design Lab at SOM focuses on creating equitable and community-focused design practices.Conversations, empathy, and education are key to overcoming resistance and implementing change in the industry.Architects should think beyond their traditional roles and consider the long-term effects of their designs on communities.Failing forward is essential for personal and professional growth, and embracing failure can lead to new opportunities.Want to chat further with Ellen? Book some time with her here: https://www.outofarchitecture.com/scheduling ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Our guest today is Chi Bhatia, VP of Strategy & Growth at One Plan, a SaaS start-up that builds 2D & 3D technology for events & venues. Chi is also part of the amazing career consultant team at Out of Architecture.Hear Chi share his journey from international student to completing LA's first NFL stadium to now working at a tech startup providing support to the 2024 Paris Olympics.On this episode of Tangents, Chi Bhatia of OnePlan, and Out of Architecture Career Consultant, shares his experiences transitioning from an Senior Designer to VP Strategy and Growth. Hear how being in Los Angeles, California impacted the trajectory of Chi's career, and how he systematically approached each step of his journey, using his passion of sports as a driver for his success. Highlights:Curious, Systematic, CalmTaking advantage of your environmentImpact of studying architecture in LABeing focused on finding work as an international studentHow software proficiency matters in your job searchUnique Sports Studio at HKS evolving architectureCareer pivots influenced by passion and expertiseWhy Architecture is an underrated professionhttps://www.outofarchitecture.com/bio-chi-bhatia ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

In this episode of Redlines, we delve into a captivating story of one architect's struggle to defend her intellectual property and creative work. Maya, a rising talent in the design world, shares a harrowing tale of a mentor-like figure who exploited her unique methods and teachings, using them for their own gain without permission or credit.As Maya navigates the complex legal waters, she confronts not only the blatant theft of her ideas but also the emotional turmoil of broken trust and self-doubt. Her journey sheds light on the often-overlooked issues of ownership, attribution, and the delicate balance between sharing knowledge and protecting one's own craft.Through Maya's experience, listeners will gain a deeper understanding of the importance of safeguarding one's intellectual property, even within the seemingly collaborative environment of the architecture profession. This episode serves as a wake-up call, urging architects and designers to become more aware of their rights and the potential pitfalls that can arise when creative work is misused or appropriated without consent.Join us as we unpack the nuances of this dramatic story and explore the broader implications for the design community. Redlines once again gives voice to the rarely discussed challenges that plague the industry, offering valuable insights and strategies for navigating these murky waters.5 key takeaways:How an architect's unique teaching methods and workshop content can be exploited by a trusted mentor without permission or creditThe emotional toll and internal struggle faced in deciding whether to assert your rights, including feelings of guilt, shame, and self-doubtThe legal complexities around intellectual property rights, copyright, and ownership in the architecture/design field that many practitioners are unaware ofThe proactive measures the an architect's firm can take to protect their intellectual property when working with clientsThe effort to raise awareness and inspire others in the design community to speak up about similar challenges of creative work being misappropriatedQuotes“I think the main thing that I want to gain from this episode is to raise awareness because a lot of creatives and a lot of architects don't really know, or they're not aware about their rights over their own work."“ So there was all this negativity that was kind of building up and that kind of broke my veneer of trust that I had in him, otherwise I would have never Googled. That's when I got to know that,, it's been going on for years, putting his name on it.""I think it was really important to understand these certain nuanced rights. And I learned that from first doing my own research that steps that are usually taken. First you need to reach out to this person because you have a relationship with them and they're your contact and you want to talk to them in a very positive way."Relevant Links:Copyright for Academics in the Digital Age: https://www.aaup.org/article/copyright-academics-digital-ageUnderstanding copyright protection for architects: https://www.aia.org/resource-center/understanding-copyright-protection-architectsOut of Architecture website: https://www.outofarchitecture.comInformation on becoming an Out of Architecture Patreon supporter: https://www.patreon.com/outofarchitectureIf you have resources to share that you think may be helpful to what was discussed in this episode, please email us at: redlines@outofarchitecture.com  ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Sam Anderson is an architectural visualization specialist who has carved out a unique career path beyond traditional practice. Sam shares her journey from pursuing architecture at the University of Texas to realizing her true passion lies in visualization. She discusses her experiences working in various roles, including at architecture firms, Epic Games, and ultimately starting her own visualization studio.Sam emphasizes the importance of storytelling and using real-time rendering technology to showcase designs in more immersive ways. She highlights the potential of these tools to empower architects and democratize design by giving a voice to those who may not have access to traditional architectural education. Throughout the conversation, Sam emphasizes the value of kindness, resourcefulness, and adaptability in navigating career transitions.Highlights:Real-time rendering tools provide architects with new avenues for creative expression and design communication.Exploring industries beyond architecture can lead to unexpected opportunities and growth.Maintaining a positive and resourceful mindset is crucial when navigating career pivots and new challenges.Showing kindness and making genuine connections can open doors and leave lasting impressions.It's essential to find a balance between professional pursuits and personal priorities for overall well-being.Guest Bio:Sam Anderson, creator of Studio Ladder, is a 3D artist based in NYC and LA. Sam is passionate about visual communication for design. Previously, Sam was a Senior Technical Marketing Manager at Epic Games where she produced new release content for Unreal Engine and Twinmotion as well as educational content for conferences and online tutorials. Prior to Epic Games, Sam was a visualization specialist at SHoP Architects. Other work experiences include an internship at JAJA Architects in Copenhagen and an architectural designer at Workshop/APD in New York. Sam studied at the University of Texas at Austin School of Architecture and at Ecole Nationale Superieure d'Architecture de Paris-Belleville. From each experience, Sam has developed an eye for high-quality design and communicating in a highly personable, yet professional manner. Talk to her long enough, and she will have you saying '“y'all” as if you were also born and raised in Texas. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Jeffrey Yoo Warren, is a multidisciplinary artist, educator, and crafter whose work explores themes of cultural heritage, identity, and community. Jeffrey shares his unique journey from studying architecture to finding his calling in artistic practices deeply rooted in historical research and traditional craftsmanship.Through his residency at the Library of Congress, Jeffrey talks about the reconstruction of early Asian American communities and neighbourhoods, creating immersive virtual and physical models that invite viewers to experience and connect with these often-overlooked histories. He also shares his passion for woodworking, papermaking, and learning traditional Korean crafts, allowing him to forge a tangible link with his ancestral roots and cultural inheritance.Highlights:Embracing the personal and specific aspects of one's identity and cultural background can lead to a deeper, more meaningful artistic practice, challenging the concept of universality as a design goal.Finding joy and fulfilment in the creative process is essential, and recognizing when work no longer aligns with one's passions is a valuable lesson.Collaboration and building community connections, especially within diasporic or underrepresented groups, can foster a profound sense of belonging and inspire new ideas.Trusting one's instincts and exploring seemingly tangential interests can uncover unexpected paths to self-discovery and artistic expression.Preserving and reviving traditional crafts and practices can serve as a powerful means of reconnecting with cultural heritage and transmitting ancestral knowledge.Guest Bio:Jeffrey Yoo Warren (he/him) is a Korean American artist educator, illustrator, community scientist and researcher in Providence, RI, whose recent work combines ancestral craft practices and creative work with diasporic memory through virtual collaborative worldbuilding. He has spent years creating collaborative community science projects which decenter dominant culture in environmental knowledge production. Jeff is an educator with Movement Education Outdoors and AS220, and part of the New Old art collective with Aisha Jandosova, hosting art-making and storytelling events with older adults; he is also the 2023 Innovator in Residence at the Library of Congress for my ongoing project Seeing Lost Enclaves: Relational reconstructions of erased historic neighborhoods of color.His current artistic practice investigates how people build identity and strength through their interactions with artifacts and histories, and the ways that objects can tell stories that people can be part of in the present. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Our guest today, Lauren Kimball, Experience Design Director @ Edelman, shares her journey from architecture to advertising. She emphasizes the importance of being honest and open in client meetings and offers advice for architecture students looking to explore alternative career paths. Lauren also discusses her platform, Find by Design, which showcases black designers across various disciplines. Through her experiences, she highlights the power of collaboration and the value of pursuing work that you are passionate about.Highlights:Architecture students have an amazing foundation in human-centered design thinking that is applicable across industries.Having a diverse range of experiences, saying yes to new opportunities, and working on passion projects outside of work can open new career doors.The advertising industry moves at a much faster pace than architecture which allows for more experimentation and learning.Being honest about what you do and don't know builds trust - it's ok to say you'll find the answer and get back to people.Hire people smarter than you and find partners who complement your skills rather than trying to do everythingGuest Bio:Lauren's experience has been rooted in design since the beginning. Having started her career in sports and entertainment architecture, her world has blended digital and physical to tell brand stories in impactful ways. She has made a career developing teams across the many facets of the design process, including consumer research, experience design, creative technology, and production. She's led interdisciplinary creatives through the design of sprawling music festivals, Olympic master plans, and digital shopping experiences, all to help clients understand their why, and how that translates to an effective design solution. In 2023, Lauren launched FIND By DESIGN, a space created to make it easier to find and support Black designers. The carefully curated directory allows anyone to find talented designers across the graphics and illustration industries, and the platform has already expanded to the UK + Ireland. www.findbydesign.org ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A warning for our listeners, in this episode we discuss sexual misconduct in the workplace and uncomfortable scenarios in a professional setting. We want you to know this in advance, and please take care when listening to this episode.In this episode of Redlines, Jake and Erin speak with Lara (name changed for confidentiality), an international architecture student who shares her deeply challenging journey to practice architecture in the United States. Laura recounts the bureaucratic hurdles, lack of university support, exploitation, and visa struggles she faced despite her dedication and hard work. Her story shines a light on the systemic barriers and abuses that isolate many international architects.Despite doing everything right - researching programs, securing internships, and excelling academically - Laura hit roadblock after roadblock. The university created extra visa requirements beyond government rules, provided no clear answers, and seemed more interested in extracting tuition fees than supporting students. Then, at her first job, Laura experienced sexual misconduct from a partner but felt unable to report it for fear of jeopardizing her visa status. The numerous visa deadlines and lotteries added tremendous stress. After years of perseverance, Laura was forced to make a difficult decision during the pandemic before she was finally able to restart her career.Top 5 Takeaways:International architecture students face immense systemic barriers and exploitation when trying to practice in the U.S. Universities often provide inadequate support and may create extra bureaucratic visa hurdles to extend tuition payments.Visa requirements and lotteries create persistent stress and instability for international architects.Fear of losing visa status makes international architects more vulnerable to misconduct and abuse.The U.S. immigration system fails to retain talented, hardworking international architects.Quotes:“I remember it's very late at night and the team wanted to grab a drink. This partner offered to drive me home, and I could not even come up with enough excuses to deter their advances until one of my coworkers jumped in and be like, okay, let's go. Our Uber is here. And I have never felt so utterly helpless where I am reliant on the pity of others to be saved.""I remember getting that email and it was essentially, you're great. We did like your work. However, we have projects, somebody needs to work on it. And as much as we empathize and understand your situation, our hands are tied as well."Relevant Links:Equal Rights Guide: https://www.equalrights.org/issue/economic-workplace-equality/sexual-harassment/RAINN 24/7 Helpline for Sexual Assault: https://www.rainn.org/resourcesCurricular Practical Training Information: https://www.ice.gov/doclib/sevis/pdf/CurricularPracticalTraining.pdfOut of Architecture website: https://www.outofarchitecture.comInformation on becoming an Out of Architecture Patreon supporter: https://www.patreon.com/outofarchitectureIf you have resources to share that you think may be helpful to what was discussed in this episode, please email us at: redlines@outofarchitecture.com  ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

William Dodge shares his unique career journey, from applying to architecture school multiple times, working as a janitor, and eventually becoming a managing principal at a major architecture firm.He discusses his approach to architecture - creating community-focused spaces rather than just facilitating buildings. William talks about starting his own practice, Public, to do great work with wonderful people while getting paid his value. He also runs a public art firm called A Gang of Three. Throughout the conversation, William offers advice on being fearless, hustling, and doing your best work with what you have. He emphasizes the importance of authenticity, resilience, and creating situations where everyone wins rather than winners/losers.Highlights:Architects often become facilitators of buildings rather than builders of community-focused spaces.Take jobs and risks - you immediately fail by not trying. Rejection is not the end.Find how your unique skills and talents can provide value, even if you're not the best at one particular thing.Do what you love, work with great people, make a difference - you should be able to do these without sacrificing pay.Life is too short to work for "assholes." Build a culture where people are valued and encouraged to eventually move on.Show up, be yourself, do your best work - this attracts the right clients and opportunities.Alluvial DecoderThe award-winning project William discusses. Built for $50khttps://www.agangofthree.com/howweworkDocumentary on Vernon Pratt (Jake's artist Grandfather)https://www.pbs.org/video/all-the-possibilities-zuvjrs/Gwen Jorgenson (Unlikely Olympic gold medalist that William mentioned)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwen_JorgensenGuest Bio:William H. Dodge is a multidisciplinary designer, design strategist and conceptual artist based in North Carolina (USA). He is Founder and Design Principal of p-u-b-l-i-c, Co-founder of A Gang of three (public art), and Founder and Director of The Vernon Pratt Project (art non-profit). He has both led and collaborated on projects at nearly every scale and has served as a key advisor to some of the world's premier design firms. He regularly serves as a visiting critic and guest lecturer on the subjects of art, architecture, design, technology, and innovation at various institutions internationally. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Our guest today, Jill Shah, Production Designer at Future Colossal, shares how she capitalizes on her abilities as a generalist, asserts herself to create opportunities, and harnesses the power of storytelling in design.Highlights:Leverage spatial design skills from architecture in experience design by focusing on technology integration and storytelling instead of just function.As a generalist, talk confidently about your broad skillset and give examples of how you've tackled challenging, multidisciplinary projects.Be assertive in asking for opportunities to expand your role and prove yourself; people appreciate self-starters.Storytelling is key in experience design - use lighting, sound, sequence etc. to evoke emotions.Documentation is critical but often neglected - market your work by taking time to create a "package" about each project.Guest Bio: Jill is a New York-based experiential artist and creative technologist who leverages algorithms to (new)ance our physical environments. Driven by her passion for more humanized nuances in an increasingly mechanized world, her work allows users to touch, feel and ponder over the role that algorithms and technological advancements can play in pushing ‘craft' to newer boundaries.Jill received her MFA in Design and Technology from Parsons School of Design and since then has served as an Experiential Production Designer at Future Colossal, an award-winning innovation lab that designs and executes memorable interactive spaces. Motivated by the belief that skills and knowledge must be accessible, she is also a passionate educator who has taught design classes and facilitated several technical workshops at the New School.https://jillshahh.com/ ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

In this episode, I spoke with Ozzie Gonzalez, Principal and Owner of P3 Consulting, (people, planet, profit) about his fascinating journey from architecture into environmental consulting. Ozzie has applied his architecture skills to help companies develop sustainability policies and embed social responsibility into their work.  We discuss how Ozzie got started in green building, and expanded into broader corporate strategy during the recession. He shared great insights on working with clients ready for bold change and bringing more creativity into consulting.I appreciated Ozzie's perspective on creating rich human experiences through his work. It was wonderful to hear how he lives out his values while guiding organizations to address problems in new ways.Highlights:Ozzie was drawn to architecture as a way to create better human habitats after studying environmental science. He was especially interested in sustainability from the start of his career.He started by doing green building consulting for architecture firms before transitioning into teaching sustainability courses during the 2008 recession.Ozzie helped develop sustainability policies and standards for global manufacturing companies, allowing him to have impact beyond individual buildings.He looks for companies talking boldly about sustainability goals but struggling to meet them as potential clients.Ozzie aims to bring creativity into his consulting process through music, art, and playful activities to spark innovation.His goal now is helping people have the fullest human experience possible through his work.Guest Bio:Ozzie is an artist, a problem solver, and a change agent. Trained as an Environmental Scientist and as an Architect, Ozzie has spent his 25-year career journey dedicated to advancing the practice of sustainable and equitable development in communities throughout the US and Latin America. Using his background in the performing arts, Ozzie utilizes story, music, and narrative style to humanize even the most technical subject matter and capture the imaginations of clients and audiences alike.Ozzie has worked in the construction and design industry throughout his career. He has been involved in sustainable design projects, equitable contracting, and now owns his own consulting practice dedicated to helping clients implement strategies to confront the challenges posed by changes in technology, policy, and culture. In addition to running his own consulting practice—P3 Consulting—Ozzie serves as the Board President for Trimet, Portland's regional transportation authority.And if you're in Portland, Oregon, you can find Ozzie at the Trio Club on Tuesdays leading open mics and playing music! ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

K* opens up about his experiences entering the architecture profession after serving in the military. K shares with hosts Jake and Erin about his background growing up in a low-income family and joining the Marines to pay for college. After deploying overseas, K left the military to pursue architecture. However, the transition from the military hierarchy to architecture school was challenging, as was finding a job after graduation. K shares stories of working for firms that undervalued his experience and exploited entry-level employees. Ultimately, K hopes sharing his perspective will validate others who have struggled and empower them to improve their situations.*Not his real name5 Key Takeaways:The transition from the military to architecture school can be difficult due to the difference in culture and hierarchies. Early career architects are often undervalued and exploited by firms that take advantage of entry-level employees.Speaking up about unreasonable demands as a student or employee requires confidence and tact. Changing firms may provide some relief but doesn't always address core issues around control and compensation.Surrounding yourself with supportive mentors and continually developing confidence and communication skills is important for career growth.Episode Quote: "I really hope that everybody listening at first feels validated. Like I have been in the other podcasts I've listened to, and even getting this platform that these things are weird, odd at best, and downright discriminatory or abusive."Notable Quotes:"I went through the school of hard knocks as a kid. I went to the school of hard knocks as a Marine. I went to the school of hard knocks as a student, and then I gave myself a couple years in architecture to be able to stand and speak from a point of knowledge.""It doesn't have to be this way. If you're a young person, be very clear with your boundaries. Don't sell yourself short and give into the ethos of putting in the long hours."Conclusion:K's story highlights the need for the architecture profession to adapt to diverse backgrounds and experiences.The discussion opens up avenues for improving the support system for both employees and sub-contractors in architecture.Relevant Links:AIA Code of Ethics: https://www.aia.org/about-aia/professional-standardsOut of Architecture website: https://www.outofarchitecture.comInformation on becoming an Out of Architecture Patreon supporter: https://www.patreon.com/outofarchitectureIf you have resources to share that you think may be helpful to what was discussed in this episode, please email us at: redlines@outofarchitecture.com  ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Our guest today, Benjamin Llewellyn joins me to share his winding journey from graduating with an architecture degree to becoming a freelance illustrator and background artist for animated television shows. Though architecture and illustration seem different, Benjamin finds his architectural background gives him an edge in creating realistic environments and backgrounds. He enjoys the constant variety and creativity of freelance work. See Ben's work here: https://www.vagabondsketchbook.comHighlights:Benjamin's journey from architecture school to working odd jobs before breaking into animationBuilding a portfolio and networking to make connections in new industriesThe Challenges and Rewards of FreelancingThe Art of Background Design in AnimationThe Power of Storytelling in DesignEmbracing your inner "weirdo" rather than a traditional career pathCheck out OOA's other podcast Redlines ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Our guest, Charlie Edmonds, Co-Founder of Future Architects Front, calls for collective action to address exploitative practices and envisions a world where architecture prioritizes social needs over capital interests.Charlie is the co-founder of Future Architects Front (FAF), a grassroots organization working to address issues like unpaid overtime, low fees, and poor construction quality in the architecture industry.Charlie discusses how he and co-founder Priti became frustrated with the exploitative conditions in architecture and started FAF to advocate for wider political and economic shifts to prioritize social and ecological needs over capital interests.He shares how FAF takes a systems view to trace architecture's problems back to neoliberal policies, and says the Covid pandemic helped reveal many of these flawed structures. Charlie believes organizing labor collectively is key to creating change, and worker unions have historically been powerful forces in achieving better conditions.Highlights:The architecture industry has endemic issues like unpaid overtime, low fees, and poor construction quality.These problems can be traced back to neoliberal policies that prioritized profits over social needs.The pandemic exposed many flaws in work practices and productivity beliefs.Collective labor organizing through unions is a powerful way to create societal change.Architectural skills like visualization can be useful tools for political and social justice campaigns.Solidarity is a crucial concept in driving collective action and working towards a more equitable and sustainable future.Further Reading/Info:Future Architects Front (FAF)Death to the Calling by Marisa Cortwright All Design Is Political, Not All Politics Is Design by Leijia HanrahanThe Funambulist MagazineThe Architecture LobbyArchitectural Workers United ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

We're taking a break from Tangents this week for the holidays so we wanted to share with you the latest episode from Redlines, Out of Architecture's podcast where we dive deeper into the core issues that plague the design profession, and evaluate how they result in everyday conflict, discomfort, and workplace turmoil.You'll hear from Chris (not his real name) and how he faced a series of traumatic and unfair experiences over the course of his architecture career. Despite his lifelong passion for architecture, Chris dealt with difficult bosses, excessive overwork, sexual harassment, lack of appreciation, and ultimately wrongful dismissal. His story highlights the need for positive change in architecture's problematic power dynamics, management issues, and lack of work-life balance. Find out more about Redlines hereOr listen to the rest of Tangents here ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Chris* faced a series of traumatic and unfair experiences over the course of his architecture career. Despite his lifelong passion for architecture, Chris dealt with difficult bosses, excessive overwork, sexual harassment, lack of appreciation, and ultimately wrongful dismissal. His story highlights the need for positive change in architecture's problematic power dynamics, management issues, and lack of work-life balance. Three major incidents that happened to Chris were:Early in his first job, Chris was berated and had his housing stipend removed for mentioning his rent in casual conversation (6:00)A mentor made sexual advances; Chris went along but felt uncomfortable and taken advantage of by the power dynamic (22:00)After taking medical leave for depression, Chris was not welcomed back to his firm as legally required and instead encouraged to resign (33:00)*Not his real name5 Key Takeaways:Inappropriate sexual dynamics are common but rarely discussed in architecture firms.Taking medical leave for mental health is often met with retaliation, not support.Overwork culture leads to poor work-life balance and burnout.Speaking up about unfair treatment is important despite being difficult.Young architects should set boundaries and advocate for themselves early on.Notable Quotes:"I felt so disrespected and used in this moment. I really, I just couldn't believe that I had been so misled and it really just. I get emotional because of it, I just felt really, really disrespected."  "It doesn't have to be this way. If you're a young person, be very clear with your boundaries. Don't sell yourself short and give into the ethos of putting in the long hours."Episode Quote: "Making decisions based on whether it's the bottom line in their best interests and not in yours. And it's just very unfortunate because. Industry couldn't exist without the workers. we're being completely exploited for our passion and interest in this profession. it's just really unfair."Relevant Links:The US Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA) https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fmlaYour Rights to Discuss Your Wages (US Specific) https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/your-rights-to-discuss-wagesOut of Architecture website: https://www.outofarchitecture.comInformation on becoming an Out of Architecture Patreon supporter: https://www.patreon.com/outofarchitectureIf you have resources to share that you think may be helpful to what was discussed in this episode, please email us at: redlines@outofarchitecture.com  ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Ever feel traditional architecture moves too slowly to tackle crises like housing shortages?Our latest guest Kristin set out to transform delivery for faster, quality sustainable housing. Her winding path from design into development, prefab and product led her to a mass timber housing startup reimagining solutions.We cover: Kristin's career from architecture to a hands-on developer role empowering new mass timber construction Transitioning into modular construction and product development at a tech startup Now leading product design for a prefab mass timber housing company scaling impact Belief that systematizing architecture can enable more creative freedom Advice for architects to explore adjacent roles like development and technology In our latest episode we understand how Kristin took control over her career, how she's shaping the future of housing delivery at her mass timber startup, and her advice for how you can diversify your skills and have more impact as a designer. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Welcome to this week's episode of Redlines, where we delve into the intriguing world of architecture and its untold stories. This week, we're taking a unique turn from our usual format. In this episode of Redlines, hosts Jake and Erin revisit stories from the Out of Architecture book that continue to look at the culture of exploitation within architecture.  Legitimate complaints about underpayment and poor working conditions are often dismissed under the guise of “the gentlemen's profession.” We discuss the ways normative structures of propping up “starchitects” through exploitative labor practices can lead to an internalized drive toward toxic perfectionism in some workers while driving others out of the field completely. Three Stories:1. Jake recalls his internship experience at a famous Roman architecture firm, and details a culture of abuse, exploitation and harassment that was alluded to in the previous episode.2.  Architecture is considered a “gentleman's profession” historically, as it was traditionally a field dominated by men of noble birth who were financially supported by their family wealth. This allowed them to spend years studying and working on projects that cost more than they could ever return. This perception, however, made it difficult for those without such wealth or social status to gain recognition and succeed in the field. We dive into this with a snippet from our audiobook with a look at Michelangelo as a way to frame an understanding of the profession today.3. Our third story is an anonymized story of Cady*, a student of Erin's who attempts to stand up to professors who had been exploiting her labor on a competition project. This story highlights the struggle of architecture students for fair wages, recognition in the field, and the power dynamic between students, professors, and practicing architects.*name has been changed.Quotes:"We never thought someone so pleasant would stand up for herself.""Now, family wealth propped up unpaid internships, facilitated travel abroad, and offered the ability to focus on passion projects on which every detail was polished to perfection."  “[...] when you dug deep into architectural history, including famous architects from the not so distant past and current big names in the field, the role of family wealth and personal connections glared back at you with contempt.  The gentleman's profession, an idea that seemed so antiquated, was very much alive and well.”Relevant Links:Out of Architecture website: https://www.outofarchitecture.comThe Out of Architecture Audiobook can be found on AudibleInformation on becoming an Out of Architecture Patreon supporter: https://www.patreon.com/outofarchitectureInvitation for Contributions:If you have an experience in the architecture profession that you believe would make a great addition to Redlines, we want to hear from you!Share your stories and insights about the industry, especially if they relate to unconventional or overlooked aspects of architectural work.If you have resources to share that you think may be helpful to what was discussed in this episode, please email us at: redlines@outofarchitecture.com  ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Jake is currently Senior Manager of Digital Technologies at adidas, where he's leading teams in Computational Design, Digital Technologies, and Pattern Engineering. He is also the co-founder of Out of Architecture: a career consulting firm that helps architects and designers find work that fulfills them. VISIT OUR AFFILIATES & SPONSORS TO SUPPORT US- Framer – the best website builder: https://www.framer.com?via=designdisciplin- ProtoPie – the best hi-fi prototyping tool: https://www.protopie.io/?ref=designdisciplin- LucidChart – the best way to create diagrams: https://try.lucid.co/ddEPISODE LINKS- Out of Architecture by Jake Rudin and Erin Pellegrino: https://geni.us/outofarchitecture- The Golden Spruce by John Vaillant: https://geni.us/goldenspruce- Adidas Samba – Jake's sneakers: https://geni.us/adidas-samba- Adidas Ultraboos – Baytaş' sneakers: https://geni.us/adidas-ultraboost-ddON OUR WEBSITEhttp://designdisciplin.com/jake-rudinSOCIALWebsite: http://designdisciplin.com​Twitter: http://twitter.com/designdisciplin/TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@designdisciplinInstagram: http://instagram.com/designdisciplin/Main YouTube: http://youtube.com/@designdisciplinPodcast YouTube: http://youtube.com/@designdisciplin_podcastApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/design-disciplin/id1553829029Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6VqYFGscuM2UVgtdZfk1hrCHAPTERS00:00 Intro01:52 The power of the breakup06:10 Non-design jobs for designers09:53 Jake's first book: writing and publishing18:30 Leading innovation at Adidas25:11 Getting hired: how to grab the manager's attention31:23 How to collab with Adidas39:00 Excelling at multi-disciplinary work47:00 Advice from Jake: greatest hits52:50 Book recommendations53:54 Design object recommendations55:13 Jake's design secrets56:30: What's next & how to find Jake

Our guest today, Rafael Robles, Founder at Duo Development, shares his experiences answering the question for himself of who gets to make the decisions? His journey from real estate, to development, to business strategy consulting led Rafael to found his own innovation studio, Duo, where he practices multi-contextual design, amplifying the impact a built project can have. Thank you for listening and I hope you feel empowered to take your own steps forward into your windy career path.Highlights: Creative, Resilient, Caring The transition to running your own innovation studio Exploring the Concept of Multi Contextual Design Challenging Traditional Architectural Practices with Norm-making and Form-making Insights from Working in Business Strategy Establishing Duo and Its Ethical Approach Creating New Realities through Multi Contextual Design Working with Clients and Own Projects at Duo Understanding the Community's Needs and Preferences Incorporating a Local Restaurant into the Health Clinic Securing a Federal Grant for Senior Services The Concept of a Building that Shares Profits with Local Residents Designing Starling: A Space for Liberation The Importance of Context and Flexibility in Design The Value of Architectural Education The Challenges and Rewards of Starting a Company Advice for Taking Control of Your Career Path The Importance of Asking for Advice Learn more about Duo Development ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

In this episode of Redlines, hosts Jake and Erin speak with Cecilia and Elif, two architecture students who took an unpaid summer internship abroad at a famous firm in Spain at the recommendation of their professor. However, instead of gaining valuable experience in an architecture office, they were treated as expendable labor. Cecilia and Elif recount the harrowing details of this exploitative internship and the fear they felt in speaking up due to the power dynamics at play with famous architects and professors. They explain why they and other students stayed despite the conditions and discuss how this experience impacted their career paths and beliefs around what is acceptable treatment in the architecture industry.Ultimately, Cecilia and Elif hope that by speaking openly about these abusive practices, the next generation of architects can help break the perpetuating cycle of poor labor conditions in the name of becoming a “great architect.”Three major incidents:1. Cecilia and Elif arrive at the internship and are forced to work manual labor on a construction site instead of in an office, with no safety protections (6:00)2. Famous architects visit the construction site, gather the students around for a demonstration, and have them running around doing tasks, yelling when they make mistakes (19:00) 3. After Cecilia takes two days off, the architects gather everyone and lecture them that leaving for even one day is unacceptable and detail the punishments (38:00)Four key takeaways Architect students worldwide are often exploited as manual laborers during their internships, working long hours in dangerous working conditions with no safety equipment, training, contracts, or labor protections.Speaking up about famous architects and professors was scary due to fear of retaliation and harm to future career prospects.Some student interns feel compelled to stay to get required credits or due to visa dependency, despite the conditions.Sharing stories openly can help prevent ongoing exploitation so the next generation of architects doesn't have to suffer the same way.Quotes:"Rather than framing them (internships) as learning opportunities or rites of passage, we need to start looking at them the way they are. They're just exploitative.""My professor told me that good architecture takes three things, time, money, and freedom… but I realized at our internship we had no money, no time and no freedom due to the constant surveillance."  Relevant Links:Out of Architecture website: https://www.outofarchitecture.comInformation on becoming an Out of Architecture Patreon supporter: https://www.patreon.com/outofarchitectureIf you have resources to share that you think may be helpful to what was discussed in this episode, please email us at: redlines@outofarchitecture.com  ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

What can you do with an architecture degree besides traditional practice? Is it possible to blend your design skills with other passions? Elliot Felix, Founder and CEO of brightspot Strategy, is an architect turned higher education strategist, shares his journey from architecture school to running his own consulting firm. Elliot talks about how an influential middle school teacher inspired him to study architecture, and how that led him to get his undergraduate architecture degree from UVA and a Master's from MIT. After practicing at a large firm for several years, Elliot realized he wanted to better understand the people that architecture serves, so he pivoted to strategy consulting focused on workplace and education. This eventually led him to found his own firm Brightspot, which was acquired by the larger firm Buro Happold. Brightspot focuses on research, vision and strategy for higher ed institutions to improve the student experience.Elliot shares insights on making career transitions, finding meaningful work, taking risks, dealing with challenges, and building support networks. He also discusses his recent book "How to Get the Most Out of College" which contains evidence-based advice for student success.Key Takeaways: Inspiring teachers can spark a career direction from a young age Architecture school teaches you to be a creative problem solver "Design thinking" skills are valuable in many fields beyond architecture  Making career transitions involves experimenting and testing out options Find opportunities to "prototype" new roles to get a feel for the day-to-day It's important to understand the people you're designing for Strategy consulting can complement architectural design  Look for personal role models to guide your career journey Concrete goals like "I want to be like X person" are most useful Develop a growth mindset to take risks and handle setbacks Build your support network before you need it Links: Learn more about brightspot Strategy: https://www.brightspotstrategy.com/ Buy Elliot's book: https://www.amazon.com/How-Get-Most-Out-College/dp/193634257X ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

The Turbulent Journey of an Accomplished ArchitectThis episode of Redlines tells the story of Natasha (a pseudonym), an architect with over 14 years of experience who faced discrimination and career roadblocks at the hands of her employer. Despite her expertise and external recognition, Natasha was excluded from opportunities and advancement.Three major incidents:Natasha was invited to speak at a prestigious conference about her work in computational design.Her firm and professor plagiarized her work when she had the chance to pursue a PhD with a prominent university.Even after 14 years as an architect, Natasha faced more roadblocks when applying for promotion to senior architect.Key Takeaways:Talented employees can face resentment and exclusion when their skills outshine others, especially when they don't fit expected demographic norms.Firms may prioritize maintaining power dynamics over equitable advancement, even at the expense of utilizing talent.Academia is not immune to unethical behavior when prestige and connections are at stake.Persist in developing your skills and pursuing your passion, even if your current environment doesn't value you.Quotes:“At the end I felt that because they had blocked my career, I can't do the work I enjoy the most and I also can't further develop."Relevant Links:Out of Architecture website: https://www.outofarchitecture.comInformation on becoming an Out of Architecture Patreon supporter: https://www.patreon.com/outofarchitectureIf you have resources to share that you think may be helpful to what was discussed in this episode, please email us at: redlines@outofarchitecture.com  ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Erin Pellegrino and Jake Rudin are the founders of Out of Architecture, a career consulting firm and resource network, where they are exploring the value of architectural skills both in and out of the profession. Through career consulting, career tools, and their recent book, Erin and Jake help architects leave architecture. In this conversation, we talk about the shape their consulting takes, what's missing from architecture and design education, and why so many designers want to leave the profession. Links from this episode can be found at scratchingthesurface.fm/239-erin-pellegrino-jake-rudin. 
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In this engrossing discussion, Abraham Burickson elaborates on how his journey in the world of architecture led him to develop the concept of experience design. Having worked in various architecture firms and conducted research, Abraham discovered a gap between the promise of architecture and its practice. From tangible architectural projects to uniquely curated experiences called Odyssey Works, Abraham redefines the conventional understanding of architecture. Discussing his one-person tailored experiences approach, Abraham delves into the philosophy behind embracing a client's life and empathizing with their reality to create designs that reflect their authentic aspirations. Highlights: Exploring Indigenous Architecture in the Amazon Frustrations with Traditional Architecture Practice The Birth of Odyssey Works: Personalized Experiences Impact of Odyssey Works on Participants Reflections on the Power of Personalized Design Long Architecture Project and Phase 0 Connecting to our Humanity and Our Community Digging deeper to get to the WHY Finding Our North Star The Life-Changing Power of Connection Experience Design Certificate Program Experience Design, a Participatory Manifesto Links:  Preorder Abraham's book: Experience Design: A Participatory Manifesto Experience Design Certificate Program: Odyssey Works Long Architecture Project TEDx Talks: Design Experiences, Not Things  ---Also, did you hear OOA launched another podcast? Redlines dives into the other side of architecture that is often not talked about.Redlines on SpotifyRedlines on Apple Podcasts---Join our Patreon for Free---InstagramLinkedInOut Of Architecture Website ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Part 2: How many times have you though: architects can only be architects - With an architecture degree there are limited career options ahead. Today we are going to prove you wrong. Our guest is the living example of an architecture graduate going way out of traditional paths, and helping many others to do the same. He is Team Lead at Adidas for Computational Design, Digital Technologies and Pattern Engineering. Moreover, he is one of the founders of Out of Architecture, a career consulting firm helping designers apply their talents in untraditional ways to venture into new professional roles. Today at 'Beyond Architecture' we talk with Jake Rudin.

Part1: How many times have you though: architects can only be architects - With an architecture degree there are limited career options ahead ? Today we are going to prove you wrong. Our guest is the living example of an architecture graduate going way out of traditional paths, and helping many others to do the same. He is Team Lead at Adidas for Computational Design, Digital Technologies and Pattern Engineering. Moreover, he is one of the founders of Out of Architecture, a career consulting firm helping designers apply their talents in untraditional ways to venture into new professional roles. Today at 'Beyond Architecture' we talk with Jake Rudin.

Bonus Episode! Tangents, meet Redlines - our new podcast by Out of Architecture. This episode shines a light on the withholding of critical information by architecture firms to create an uneven power dynamic as firms hold visa sponsorship over young, foreign workers.Our storyteller this week is Cat - a pseudonym - who shares their personal experience with the H1B visa process in the United States and the challenges they faced while working at a reputable architecture firm. Cat discusses the lack of transparency, exploitation, and the difficulty of seeking a life in the US versus other countries. “I asked my employer, can I have my receipt number so I can go into USCIS system to look up whether or not I got selected this time. They told me that there is no longer such a thing as a receipt number. But this contradict with the official statement that USC has put out on their own website, this number obviously exists. It's just my employer decided not to disclose it.”Key takeaways: The path to sponsorship can take years with uncertain results Lack of transparency in the H1B visa selection process Employers can legally withhold sponsorship information from workers Risk in the visa process creates opportunities to take advantage of sponsored workers There are many countries that provide better options for young architects Redlines on SpotifyRedlines on Apple Podcasts---Join our Patreon for FreeInstagramLinkedInOut Of Architecture Website ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

This episode shines a light on the withholding of critical information by architecture firms to create an uneven power dynamic as firms hold visa sponsorship over young, foreign workers.Our storyteller this week is Cat - a pseudonym - who shares their personal experience with the H1B visa process in the United States and the challenges they faced while working at a reputable architecture firm. Cat discusses the lack of transparency, exploitation, and the difficulty of seeking a life in the US versus other countries. “I asked my employer, can I have my receipt number so I can go into USCIS system to look up whether or not I got selected this time. They told me that there is no longer such a thing as a receipt number. But this contradict with the official statement that USC has put out on their own website, this number obviously exists. It's just my employer decided not to disclose it.”Key takeaways:The path to sponsorship can take years with uncertain resultsLack of transparency in the H1B visa selection processEmployers can legally withhold sponsorship information from workersRisk in the visa process creates opportunities to take advantage of sponsored workersThere are many countries that provide better options for young architectsJoin our Patreon for FreeConnect with us:InstagramLinkedInOut Of Architecture Website ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Our guest today, Nate Steinrueck, Product Strategist at Outer Labs, shares his journey from studying anthropology to working in architecture and eventually transitioning into the tech industry. He emphasizes the importance of being a good listener, learner, and helper in his work, and how these qualities have shaped his career. Nate also discusses the similarities between architecture and product strategy, highlighting the value of problem-solving and effective communication in both fields. He offers advice for those looking to make a career change and emphasizes the importance of finding alignment between one's strengths and passions.Listen to the end to hear our highlight from OOA community member, Rachel Gresham, Senior Director, Professional Practice Programs at The American Institute of Architects. Connect with her on Linkedin, and let her know you found her through the Tangents podcast. Highlights: Nate strives to be a listener, learner, and helper in his work, focusing on understanding the needs of others and finding ways to make their work more efficient. His background in architecture has provided him with valuable insights and skills that he applies to his role as a product strategist. Effective communication and problem-solving are essential in both architecture and product strategy. When making a career change, it's important to evaluate your strengths and passions and find alignment with the roles and companies you're considering. (Find out the interesting way Nate went about doing this!) More from our Sponsors:This episode is sponsored by The Architect's Newspaper.The Architect's Newspaper and AEC+Tech are hosting an incredible event on October 27th called Tech+. Join us there to play with new design tools, hear stories from top firms and schools, pitch your brilliant ideas or just nerd out with like minded designers. The event will be on Oct 27th at the New York Law School in Lower Manhattan - Don't miss it. Our listeners can use code OOA for 30% off tickets at techplus.co.This episode is sponsored by Arcol.We give Revit a pretty hard time through Out of Architecture, mostly because you didn't go to architecture school to spend your days stuck fiddling around with detailing drawing sets or waiting for a file to open. Arcol is bringing the magic back to building design by developing a BIM tool that is as creative and collaborative as you are. If you'd like to help build the future of BIM, head over to Arcol.io and join in their Closed Beta for early access to their new platform. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

In this Tangents episode, Eric Riggsbee, a project manager at Joyful, shares his unique career path from architecture to the tech industry and back again. He discusses the transferable skills he gained from architecture, such as problem-solving and attention to detail, and how they have helped him succeed in his current role. Eric emphasizes the importance of following happiness rather than sticking to a specific career path, and how architects can bring their creativity and strategic thinking to other industries. He also highlights the need for a strong work-life balance and the value of creating a positive company culture.Highlights:  Architects possess transferable skills such as problem-solving, attention to detail, and a strong work ethic that can be applied to various industries. Following happiness and pursuing alternative career paths can lead to fulfilling and rewarding experiences. Architects have the opportunity to create innovative and engaging spaces that promote learning and collaboration. Building a positive work culture requires trust, creativity, and a focus on employee well-being. The future of architecture lies in integrating technology, strategy, and creativity to create meaningful and impactful spaces. More from our Sponsors:This episode is sponsored by The Architect's Newspaper.The Architect's Newspaper and AEC+Tech are hosting an incredible event on October 27th called Tech+. Join us there to play with new design tools, hear stories from top firms and schools, pitch your brilliant ideas or just nerd out with like minded designers. The event will be on Oct 27th at the New York Law School in Lower Manhattan - Don't miss it. Our listeners can use code OOA for 30% off tickets at techplus.co.This episode is sponsored by Arcol.We give Revit a pretty hard time through Out of Architecture, mostly because you didn't go to architecture school to spend your days stuck fiddling around with detailing drawing sets or waiting for a file to open. Arcol is bringing the magic back to building design by developing a BIM tool that is as creative and collaborative as you are. If you'd like to help build the future of BIM, head over to Arcol.io and join in their Closed Beta for early access to their new platform. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Jody Broccoli Hickey is a 3D computational designer at Adidas. Jody shares how he leveled up his skills and understanding when making a career switch, and the joy of the creative process strengthened from pursuing opportunities that aligned strongly with his interests. Highlights:  The importance of spending time to level up your skills Learning the tribal language needed to communicate in different industries Let your unique interests be your superpowers and set you apart The creative snowball effect that can happen when you pursue your passions More from our Sponsors:This episode is sponsored by The Architect's Newspaper.The Architect's Newspaper and AEC+Tech are hosting an incredible event on October 27th called Tech+. Join us there to play with new design tools, hear stories from top firms and schools, pitch your brilliant ideas or just nerd out with like minded designers. The event will be on Oct 27th at the New York Law School in Lower Manhattan - Don't miss it. Our listeners can use code OOA for 30% off tickets at techplus.co.This episode is sponsored by Arcol.We give Revit a pretty hard time through Out of Architecture, mostly because you didn't go to architecture school to spend your days stuck fiddling around with detailing drawing sets or waiting for a file to open. Arcol is bringing the magic back to building design by developing a BIM tool that is as creative and collaborative as you are. If you'd like to help build the future of BIM, head over to Arcol.io and join in their Closed Beta for early access to their new platform. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Our guest today is Ben Feicht, Architect and Exhibit Designer at Upswell. Ben shares how and why he transitioned from architecture to exhibit design, the impact of journaling as a tool for exploration, and the exciting future of technology in design. How journaling can help explore ideas, identify interests and find the right career path Networking and using LinkedIn can lead to job opportunities in different industries Offering ideas and showcasing skills during the application process can make you stand out Working in a small design agency allows for skill-building and collaboration across different disciplines More from our Sponsor:This episode is sponsored by Arcol. I know you've heard countless times here on the Tangents podcast that the tools and workflows in most AEC firms are either horribly broken or in desperate need of a redesign. Our friends at Arcol are doing just that, and they want you to be a part of the conversations helping to shape the future of BIM.Join us at Arcol's Retooling AEC event on August 15th in New York City for food, drinks, and a wide variety of speakers from large firms, startups, and education. To reserve your spot, head to Arcol.io/event. That's arcol.io/event. See you there. If you'd like to help build the future of BIM, head over to Arcol.io and join in their Closed Beta for early access to their new platform. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

In this Tangents episode we speak with AKSHAY MEHRA, Assistant Professor in the Department of Earth and Space Sciences at the University of Washington. Akshay's journey from architecture to geosciences highlights the value of curiosity, mentorship, and interdisciplinary collaboration. His experience demonstrates the potential for architects to contribute to scientific research and engage with complex issues in a rigorous and impactful manner. Highlights: How a background in architecture led to a PhD in geosciences How the skills learned in architecture, such as spatial thinking and communication, proved to be valuable in other fields. Reaching out to experts in other fields can lead to fruitful collaborations and new perspectives. Mentors play a crucial role in guiding and supporting career development. Integrating rigorous scientific research into architecture can lead to more impactful and meaningful design solutions.  More from our Sponsor:This episode is sponsored by Arcol. I know you've heard countless times here on the Tangents podcast that the tools and workflows in most AEC firms are either horribly broken or in desperate need of a redesign. Our friends at Arcol are doing just that, and they want you to be a part of the conversations helping to shape the future of BIM.Join us at Arcol's Retooling AEC event on August 15th in New York City for food, drinks, and a wide variety of speakers from large firms, startups, and education. To reserve your spot, head to Arcol.io/event. That's arcol.io/event. See you there. If you'd like to help build the future of BIM, head over to Arcol.io and join in their Closed Beta for early access to their new platform. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

In this Tangents episode we speak with STEPHEN DREW, Founder of the Architecture Social. Through his candid and authentic perspective, we explore the importance of embracing change, selling oneself, and the untapped potential architects possess in various industries.Highlights:  The importance of selling oneself and leveraging architectural expertise in different industries Acknowledge the self-doubt and fear that often accompany career transitions. but take control of your professional life Embrace sales and marketing skills to better promote yourself and your work Explore different career paths and do not be afraid to deviate from traditional architecture if it doesn't align with your passions Listen to the end to hear from DAVID BERLEKAMP, AIA from the OOA Community!  More from our Sponsor:This episode is sponsored by Arcol. I know you've heard countless times here on the Tangents podcast that the tools and workflows in most AEC firms are either horribly broken or in desperate need of a redesign. Our friends at Arcol are doing just that, and they want you to be a part of the conversations helping to shape the future of BIM.Join us at Arcol's Retooling AEC event on August 15th in New York City for food, drinks, and a wide variety of speakers from large firms, startups, and education. To reserve your spot, head to Arcol.io/event. That's arcol.io/event. See you there. If you'd like to help build the future of BIM, head over to Arcol.io and join in their Closed Beta for early access to their new platform. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

In this Tangents episode, we speak with ELLEN ABRAHAM, Chief Pin Officer at Architect Pins, one of our amazing OOA Advisors and Senior Project Manger and Co-Founder of Equity Design Lab @ SOM.Highlights:  SOM's Equity Design Lab, which focuses on creating equitable and community-focused designs How architects have the power to be change-makers and make a positive impact on communities “Always Be Pitching” and how an entrepreneurial spirit embraces risk and failing forward Creating Architect Pins as a way for architects and designers to express   and celebrate their unique journeys and values Staying true to yourself, embracing failure, and finding community to support your growth and success More from our Sponsor:This episode is sponsored by Arcol. I know you've heard countless times here on the Tangents podcast that the tools and workflows in most AEC firms are either horribly broken or in desperate need of a redesign. Our friends at Arcol are doing just that, and they want you to be a part of the conversations helping to shape the future of BIM.Join us at Arcol's Retooling AEC event on August 15th in New York City for food, drinks, and a wide variety of speakers from large firms, startups, and education. To reserve your spot, head to Arcol.io/event. That's arcol.io/event. See you there. If you'd like to help build the future of BIM, head over to Arcol.io and join in their Closed Beta for early access to their new platform. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On this episode of Tangents, Caitlin Taylor, Architect, Farmer, Food Systems Designer and Managing Director at Stone Barns Center for Food & Agriculture, shares her experiences developing a passion and career exploring food systems through an architectural lens.  Hear Caitlin's insights into exploring her interests deeply, finding equally passionate and driven people to work with, and the power that architects have to redesign and rebuild food systems. She describes how she looks at everything from all scales, and views everything she does as an act of love. Listen to the end to hear our highlight on Thomas Musca, Designer, Artist and Founder of Cassius Castings from the OOA community!Highlights:  Falling in love with farming while in grad school Leading the Food Systems Design Lab at MASS Design Group Opportunities at Stone Barns Center for Food and Agriculture Balancing passions, a sense of urgency and a long view of time Understanding and curiosity for systems at a range of scales More from our Sponsor:This episode is sponsored by Arcol. I know you've heard countless times here on the Tangents podcast that the tools and workflows in most AEC firms are either horribly broken or in desperate need of a redesign. Our friends at Arcol are doing just that, and they want you to be a part of the conversations helping to shape the future of BIM.Join us at Arcol's Retooling AEC event on August 15th in New York City for food, drinks, and a wide variety of speakers from large firms, startups, and education. To reserve your spot, head to Arcol.io/event. That's arcol.io/event. See you there. If you'd like to help build the future of BIM, head over to Arcol.io and join in their Closed Beta for early access to their new platform. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On this episode of Tangents, Anamika Goyal, Director of Operations for Architecture & Construction at Riley Projects and OOA advisor, shares her experiences from working in more traditional architecture firms to innovative startups in the AEC industry (WeWork, Cottage, Riley Projects). Hear Anamika's insights into leadership, management, and finding a career that fulfills a passion for building without leaving architecture. Check out our show notes below where you'll find recommended resources from Anamika! And listen to the end to hear Luis Velez, from the OOA community!Highlights:  Leader, Problem Solver, Connector Getting Started in Architecture Later in Life Reflecting Objectively On Your Career Out of (Traditional) Architecture But Still Building Managing Healthy Teams and People Fostering a Culture of Everyday Leadership The Right Amount of Autonomy Comes From Good Hiring Practices An Architect as a Starting Point Recommended Reading from Anamika: Company of One - Paul Jarvis (Strategic ways to go out on your own) The Goal - Eliyahu Goldratt (If you love this book, you might love an operations-focused role!) Radical Candor - Kim Scott (Management aka helping your team reach its highest potential, with a focus on communication and individuals) High Output Management - Andrew Grove (Management aka helping your team reach its highest potential, with a focus on the business, professional development, and operations) More from our Sponsor:This episode is sponsored by Arcol. I know you've heard countless times here on the Tangents podcast that the tools and workflows in most AEC firms are either horribly broken or in desperate need of a redesign. Our friends at Arcol are doing just that, and they want you to be a part of the conversations helping to shape the future of BIM.Join us at Arcol's Retooling AEC event on August 15th in New York City for food, drinks, and a wide variety of speakers from large firms, startups, and education. To reserve your spot, head to Arcol.io/event. That's arcol.io/event. See you there. If you'd like to help build the future of BIM, head over to Arcol.io and join in their Closed Beta for early access to their new platform. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On this episode of Tangents, Ana Barros, Creative Director @ BTTR Agency and Architectural Photographer, shares her experiences of building a fulfilling career from her passions and details the skills that enabled her to get there. She talks about the importance of being adaptable and curious and how she used tools to her advantage to further her creative process.Listen to the end to hear from a part of the OOA team and community, Jasmine Hwang!Highlights:  Finding something to fulfill your creative needs when your day job is not enough Building a career from the early days of Instagram The importance of the right mindset  Be adaptable, curious and willing to learn Letting tools aid in your creative process Fulfill your vision and move forward in the creative process More from our Sponsor:This episode is sponsored by Arcol. I know you've heard countless times here on the Tangents podcast that the tools and workflows in most AEC firms are either horribly broken or in desperate need of a redesign. Our friends at Arcol are doing just that, and they want you to be a part of the conversations helping to shape the future of BIM.Join us at Arcol's Retooling AEC event on August 15th in New York City for food, drinks, and a wide variety of speakers from large firms, startups, and education. To reserve your spot, head to Arcol.io/event. That's arcol.io/event. See you there. If you'd like to help build the future of BIM, head over to Arcol.io and join in their Closed Beta for early access to their new platform. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On this episode of Tangents, Iben Falconer, Global Marketing & Business Development Leader and Senior Associate Principal @ SOM shares advice from her own experiences changing roles throughout her career and how not being afraid of change has opened up new opportunities for her.Listen to the end to hear from a part of the OOA team and community, Noura Alhariri! Highlights:  Curious, Driven, Empathetic Not being afraid to change roles and careers Finding purpose in your role Make a list of what you want in your career Business Development as everything that brings in work Strategy and Storytelling More from our Sponsor:This episode is sponsored by Arcol. I know you've heard countless times here on the Tangents podcast that the tools and workflows in most AEC firms are either horribly broken or in desperate need of a redesign. Our friends at Arcol are doing just that, and they want you to be a part of the conversations helping to shape the future of BIM.Join us at Arcol's Retooling AEC event on August 15th in New York City for food, drinks, and a wide variety of speakers from large firms, startups, and education. To reserve your spot, head to Arcol.io/event. That's arcol.io/event. See you there. If you'd like to help build the future of BIM, head over to Arcol.io and join in their Closed Beta for early access to their new platform. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On this episode of Tangents, Joann Lui, Content Marketing Manager at TestFit and the founder of Women Architects Collective shares her experiences transitioning her interests and passions into a unplanned career switch and how personal branding helped create opportunities and time for reflection. Listen to the end to hear from a part of the OOA team and community, Cristy Fedelai! Highlights:  Introvert, Relatable, Ambitious  Transitioning through side hustles Share with others your accomplishments Building communities to bring people together Founding Women Architects Collective Trusting your gut and transitioning Letting go of your identity Personal branding as personal development Balancing your energy as an introvert Juggling many things and getting them done Stay ready for opportunity Architects combine creativity and logic What success is as you grow More from our Sponsor:This episode is sponsored by Arcol. I know you've heard countless times here on the Tangents podcast that the tools and workflows in most AEC firms are either horribly broken or in desperate need of a redesign. Our friends at Arcol are doing just that, and they want you to be a part of the conversations helping to shape the future of BIM.Join us at Arcol's Retooling AEC event on August 15th in New York City for food, drinks, and a wide variety of speakers from large firms, startups, and education. To reserve your spot, head to Arcol.io/event. That's arcol.io/event. See you there. If you'd like to help build the future of BIM, head over to Arcol.io and join in their Closed Beta for early access to their new platform. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

We have a conversation with Jake Rudin, co-author of the recently published book titled "Out of Architecture" to discuss the need for architects to appropriately value themselves and their skills to create a more positive and sustainable profession, or to leave it altogether for something else. We talk about the lack of leadership training, the importance of designing our businesses, and the value of architects as problem solvers in architecture firms and adjacent industries.About JakeJake is a strategic thinker and designer with a decade of experience in building things from the ground up. He currently leads teams at Adidas in Computational Design, Digital Technologies, and Pattern Engineering. He also runs Out of Architecture, a career consulting firm helping designers apply their incredible talents in untraditional ways.Episode LinksOut of Architecture websiteOut of Architecture: The Value of Architects Beyond Traditional Practice (Amazon)Out of Architecture on LinkedInOut of Architecture on InstagramJake on LinkedInTangents podcast

On this episode of Tangents, Zach Soflin, CEO at Layer shares his journey which began with creating a solution as an architect for one of his project's to sharing that solution with the rest of the AEC industry as CEO of a tech startup. Highlights: Tinkerer, Designer, Divergent How the solution to a project led to running a company Stepping away from a traditional path in architecture The brave steps that an Architecture Firm took Progression of a CEO's day to day Rely on data and trusting your gut Being a CEO is actually less stressful than being an architect Advice for your younger self Find focus and your community Change only comes from disrupting the status quo ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Jake Rudin and Erin Pellegrino's book Out of Architecture: The Value of Architects Beyond Traditional Practice (Routledge, 2022) is both a call to reassess the architecture profession and its education, and a toolkit for graduates and working architects to untangle their skills, passions, and value from traditional architectural practice and consider alternate pathways. Written by design professionals and expert career consultants, this book is informed by numerous client accounts as well as the authors' own stories and routes out of architecture. The initial chapters follow the narrative of a typical architecture training in the US, highlighting the many highs and lows, skills honed, and ultimately the huge disconnect that can occur between architectural education and practice. Subsequent chapters explore a disillusionment with the profession, unhealthy work cultures, mentorship, working with lead architects, toxic perfectionism, and the notion of a calling. Authors then present the hopeful accounts of many architects who escaped a profession known for its grueling working conditions to find fulfilling, well-paying, creative jobs that better utilize the skills of architecture than the architectural profession itself. Written in a unique combination of storytelling and analysis, this patchwork of client and author stories makes for an immersive, provocative, and enjoyable listen. A wide range of architecture students, graduates, educators, and professionals will recognize themselves within the chapters of this book and find prompts to reassess their working practices, teaching styles, and the profession itself. It will be of particular value to those students skeptical of joining the architecture workforce, as well as those further along and considering a career change. Bryan Toepfer, AIA, NCARB, CAPM is the Principal Architect for TOEPFER Architecture, PLLC, an Architecture firm specializing in Residential Architecture and Virtual Reality. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/new-books-network

Jake Rudin and Erin Pellegrino's book Out of Architecture: The Value of Architects Beyond Traditional Practice (Routledge, 2022) is both a call to reassess the architecture profession and its education, and a toolkit for graduates and working architects to untangle their skills, passions, and value from traditional architectural practice and consider alternate pathways. Written by design professionals and expert career consultants, this book is informed by numerous client accounts as well as the authors' own stories and routes out of architecture. The initial chapters follow the narrative of a typical architecture training in the US, highlighting the many highs and lows, skills honed, and ultimately the huge disconnect that can occur between architectural education and practice. Subsequent chapters explore a disillusionment with the profession, unhealthy work cultures, mentorship, working with lead architects, toxic perfectionism, and the notion of a calling. Authors then present the hopeful accounts of many architects who escaped a profession known for its grueling working conditions to find fulfilling, well-paying, creative jobs that better utilize the skills of architecture than the architectural profession itself. Written in a unique combination of storytelling and analysis, this patchwork of client and author stories makes for an immersive, provocative, and enjoyable listen. A wide range of architecture students, graduates, educators, and professionals will recognize themselves within the chapters of this book and find prompts to reassess their working practices, teaching styles, and the profession itself. It will be of particular value to those students skeptical of joining the architecture workforce, as well as those further along and considering a career change. Bryan Toepfer, AIA, NCARB, CAPM is the Principal Architect for TOEPFER Architecture, PLLC, an Architecture firm specializing in Residential Architecture and Virtual Reality. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/architecture

On this episode of Tangents, Wandile Mthiyane, Founder & CEO of Anti-Racist Hot Dog & CEO of Ubuntu Design Group shares his experiences using architecture as a way to build spaces and places of belonging for folks within the workplace and the community.Highlights: Resilient, Faith, Optimistic Architecture as a Vehicle for Dignified Housing Home as an Economic Space Going Back To Your Roots to Drive Your Passions Forward Advice for When You're In The Middle of Your Process Finding Different Mentors From Houses to Hot Dogs Anti-Racism in the Workplace ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On this episode of Tangents, Sara Kolata, Founder of Disrupt Symposium, shares her experiences on how she took the challenges she experienced as a business owner to create a life that truly aligns with her strengths and passions.Highlights: Adventurous, Curious, Daring Not fitting in as expected Turning failures into opportunities for growth The point at which you decide to do something Getting closer to who you are Combining your passion with architecture Creating a life you want to live What's coming up soon with Disrupt ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On this episode of Tangents, Saba Ghole, Co-Founder & Chief Creative Director at NuVu shares her experiences on how she brings the studio model of learning that we are familiar from our architectural studies and applies it to k-12 learning.Highlights: Creative, Optimist, Listener The architecture studio as a model for education and learning Creating a space for critique, feedback and a process oriented approach in education The periods of growth and reflection as an entrepreneur  Learning how to scale an atypical educational model The benefits of using your skills and talents in a different context Holding onto a spirit for optimism  Architects as agile, open-minded and Problem solving minded ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On this episode of Tangents, Rachael Hymas, Founder of If Not Now, Then When (INNTW) shares her experiences stemming from her background in architecture that led her to meet so many amazing people along the way. Hear Rachael speak honestly about finding your path, even as it's evolving as you grow. Highlights: The journey of a multi-disciplinary creative that gets bored easily Helping individuals and companies get down to who they are How networking and mentors can change the direction of your career Creating INNTW to provide access for those looking to move into creative roles Being thankful for all opportunities Moving out of architecture and being open that you have not failed The importance of building relationships with people Using fear and self doubt to guide you and grow Being proud of pushing yourself through challenges Ask honest questions that you care about when meeting people Defining success for yourself Architecture is the backbone for numerous opportunities if you want it to be ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

The Value of Architects Beyond Traditional PracticeJake Rudin is a strategic thinker and designer with a decade of experience in building things from the ground up. At Adidas, he leads teams in Computational Design, Digital Technologies, and Pattern Engineering. He also runs Out of Architecture, a career consulting firm helping designers apply their incredible talents in untraditional ways.He has a passion for sustainably growing teams in design and innovation and is always interested in helping others grow their passion projects as a mentor, coach or advisor.Previously, Jake was the Director of Business Development at an EdTech Startup, worked around the world as a designer for top architecture and design firms, and taught extensively in the architecture and design fields.Erin Pellegrino is a strategist, designer and registered architect with a decade of experience in the fields of design, business development and creative consulting. She currently works as the founder and principal of Matter, a design firm that solves problems that span from brand and digital experiences to the built environment. She is also the co-founder of Out of Architecture, a career consulting firm that helps designers explore non-traditional methods of practice.She has worked extensively in the venture and start-up space in the Northeast, with early stage companies as well as vc funds on design, visual and narrative strategy and brand development. Her practice, Matter, has completed award-winning work in architecture, product and brand design and has been recognized globally for their work.Erin has taught and coached extensively in architecture and design fields at universities including Harvard, Cornell, Parsons, The City University of New York and the New Jersey Institute of Technology. She holds a M.Arch II from Harvard University's Graduate School of Design, a Bachelor of Architecture from Cornell University and her MBA from Quantic School of Business and Technology.This week on EntreArchitect Podcast, The Value of Architects Beyond Traditional Practice with Erin Pellegrino and Jake Rudin.Learn more about Erin and Jake at Out of Architecture, check out the book, or follow them on LinkedIn, TikTok, and Instagram.Please visit Our Platform SponsorsDetailed is an original podcast by ARCAT that features architects, engineers, builders, and manufacturers who share their insight and expertise as they highlight some of the most complex, interesting, and oddest building conditions that they have encountered… and the ingenuity it took to solve them. Listen now at ARCAT.com/podcast.Visit our Platform Sponsors today and thank them for supporting YOU… The EntreArchitect Community of small firm architects.Graphisoft + EntreArchitect Archicad BIM software enables design, collaboration, visualization, and project delivery, no matter the...

On this episode of Tangents, Jake Rudin, Senior Manager Digital Technologies at Adidas shares his experiences and advice on how to translate your architectural experience to your future career path. Highlights: Designer, Educator, Maker Following A Passion for Architecture Not Being Limited by Job Descriptions Communicating Your Abilities in Resumes and Interviews Confidence is Key Treat Your Career Like a Design Problem Demand for Out of Architecture Advice The Power of Visual Representation Get Started with Out of Architecture Defining An Architect and Redefining Yourself ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On this episode of Tangents, Chrisoula Kapelonis, Design Strategist at Google shares her experiences asking questions about what the intersection between architecture and technology is and can be. Highlights: Architect, Technologist, Strategist The Intersection of Architecture & Technology Deciding to Pursue Architecture or Not How Explorations Can Guide Your Path and Moving Beyond Academia Choosing to Be Uncomfortable Building A Home As A Technologist Programming Space Independent of the Physical Building 4D Simulations of Space With Time The Greatest Impact With Technology During Post Occupancy What Does Success Look Like Working with Translations Between Mediums Architects Are Those That Question Spaces That People Dwell In Evolving Questions on the Home and Workplace ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On this episode of Tangents, Erin Pellegrino, Principal at Matter, and Co-Founder of Out of Architecture, shares her experiences creating her own path for herself in Architecture. Hear how never taking no for an answer helped shape her career as an educator, a business owner, and creating Out of Architecture where she helps guide others on their career journeys. Highlights: Ambitious, Curious, Striving to be an Optimist Eri Berry Woman Drink Recipe Falling in Love with the Folk Art Museum Doing It All: From Teaching, To Practicing and More Professional Practice: Expectations Vs. Reality Creating Out of Architecture Overcoming Feelings of Inadequacy What Success Feels Like Architecture is an Inherently Optimistic Act Advice for Starting Your Own Practice Get Comfortable Asking for What You Want Figuring Out How To Get Things Done Then Challenging How Things Are Done Building A Wave of Change ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On this episode of Tangents, Chi Bhatia of OnePlan, and Out of Architecture Career Consultant, shares his experiences transitioning from an Senior Designer to VP Strategy and Growth. Hear how being in Los Angeles, California impacted the trajectory of Chi's career, and how he systematically approached each step of his journey, using his passion of sports as a driver for his success. Highlights: Curious, Systematic, Calm Taking advantage of your environment Impact of studying architecture in LA Being focused on finding work as an international student How software proficiency matters in your job search Unique Sports Studio at HKS evolving architecture Career pivots influenced by passion and expertise Why Architecture is an underrated profession ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

This week, I'm speaking with Jake Rudin and Erin Pellegrino, Founders of Out of Architecture, a career consulting firm interested in exploring the value of their skills both in and out of the architectural profession. Jake has a decade of experience in building things from the ground up. At Adidas, he leads teams in Computational Design, Digital Technologies, and Pattern Engineering. Previously, Jake was the Director of Business Development at an EdTech Startup, worked around the world as a designer for top architecture and design firms, and taught extensively in the architecture and design fields. Erin is a designer and registered architect with a decade of experience in the fields of design, business development, and creative consulting. She currently works as the Founder and Principal of Matter, a design firm that solves problems that span from brand and digital experiences to the built environment. Erin has worked extensively in the venture and start-up space in the Northeast, with early-stage companies as well as VC funds on design, visual, narrative strategy, and brand development. She has also taught and coached in architecture and design fields at universities including Harvard, Cornell, Parsons, The City University of New York and the New Jersey Institute of Technology.     In this episode, Jake and Erin discuss the disconnect between architecture education and the profession, how our skills and training can be invaluable to many different roles in different industries, and how you can create and design an architecture career that fits you.   We speak about their new book Out of Architecture, why many firms are losing out on talent and talent retention due to their hiring processes We discuss the challenges that university education faces with the education of the architect  And we discuss the taboo or concerns that some young architects may face simply because they are part of a network that is exploring possibilities outside of the traditional profession      Get in touch with Erin and Jake via their: Website: https://www.outofarchitecture.com/ Erin's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erin-pellegrino/ Jake's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jakerudin/   ► Feedback? Email us at podcast@businessofarchitecture.com ► Access your free training at http://SmartPracticeMethod.com/ ► If you want to speak directly to our advisors, book a call at https://www.businessofarchitecture.com/call ► Subscribe to my YouTube Channel for updates: https://www.youtube.com/c/BusinessofArchitecture   *******   For more free tools and resources for running a profitable, impactful, and fulfilling practice, connect with me on: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/businessofarchitecture Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/enoch.sears/ Website: https://www.businessofarchitecture.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/BusinessofArch Podcast: http://www.businessofarchitecture.com/podcast iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/business-architecture-podcast/id588987926 Android Podcast Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/BusinessofArchitecture-podcast Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9idXNpbmVzc29mYXJjaGl0ZWN0dXJlLmxpYnN5bi5jb20vcnNz   *******   Access the FREE Architecture Firm Profit Map video here: http://freearchitectgift.com   Download the FREE Architecture Firm Marketing Process Flowchart video here: http://freearchitectgift.com     Carpe Diem!

On this episode of Tangents, Adrianne Ngam of Airtable shares her experiences transitioning from an architectural designer to a product designer. Hear the similarities and differences between the two industries and how Adrianne's background in architecture led her to designing low code tools today. Adrianne shares why she doesn't believe in imposter syndrome and how to find work where you can make an impact. Highlights: Adaptable, Discerning, Very Ready To Be Wrong Recognizing When and Why to Switch Shedding Your Identity How to Have the Most Impact Embracing Changing Interests Over Time Courage to Meander Off the Path Respect and Admiration for Architects The Weight of Decisions in Architecture vs Tech Looking for Constraints in Product Design Opportunity to Grow, Not Imposter Syndrome ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Is there more than architecture?In this podcast episode, join Jeff and co-host Katharine MacPhail present an encore presentation that we had on Context & Clarity LIVE, Erin Pellegrino + Jake Rudin - Out of Architecture. Erin Pellegrino and Jake Rubin are Co-Founders of Out Of Architecture.In the original conversation, Erin and Jake help us understand the value of our skills and education and what lies beyond architecture.If you enjoy this show, you can find similar content at Gābl Media.

This is the second round with Erin Pellegrino and Jake Rudin, two Harvard graduates who have started a consulting company called Out of Architecture. Since last time we have talked they have now written also a book titled the same way. In this one hour conversation we have discussed how did they write, why did they write it and who is this for? Enjoy the conversation and you can watch here the round one! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwC9PM0E6hQ&t=118s More about the book here: Subscribe to our YT Channel for more content HERE! ☕☕☕ IF YOU LIKE THE EPISODE WE LOVE COFFEE https://ko-fi.com/tcipodcast If you want to be a real Insider subscribe to our newsletter here: https://thecreativeinsider.com/subscribe/ Don't miss our exclusive content across all our channels: Twitter: @tcipodcast_eu Instagram: @tcipodcast LinkedIn: The Creative Insider If you are getting value out of TCI coffee is always needed: https://ko-fi.com/tcipodcast Stay around soon more content on our YouTube Page: The Creative Insider Thank you for your support, Désirée and Georgi :)!

On this episode of Tangents, Helen Lummis of Monograph shares her experiences transitioning from architecture to tech. Learn from her lessons and discover all the communication and people skills you already have as an architect. Hear Helen share how important it is to have an outside perspective on your career journey, people rooting for you in your corner, and how to create a balanced life for yourself.  Highlights:  Honest, Friendly, A Thinker From Art to Architecture to Tech Making Things Better A Cabin In the Woods Blood, Sweat & Tears Don't Do What I Did ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On this episode of Tangents, architect Manon Paquet shares her experiences transitioning from a traditional architecture office to a tech startup. Discover what can and cannot be challenged and changed when architecture meets tech, and how technology can be part of the answer to the housing crisis. If you ever felt like you wanted to improve parts of the profession but hit a wall, this episode is for you. Hear Manon share how she defends the craft but also when you know it's time to get out of architecture.  Highlights:  Determined, Honest, Observant Getting a Foot in the Door with LinkedIn More than Architects in the Room What Is An Architecture Startup Using Your Time Where It Matters The Value of An Architect Change the Process In How You Build Architecture for the Other 99% Guiding Clients Through The Process Transparency and Knowledge Sharing to Save Time Making the Switch Many Different Hats ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Hear unique stories from those that created a unique career path for themselves from the variety of skills and talents they developed in and out of architecture. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Have you ever thought about what it would be like to work in a different profession? Is it possible? Are the skills learnt while studying Architecture useful in other industries? Where do you even begin moving to another profession? I have my own ideas, however luckily for us I know just the pair who can share useful insight on this subject! Let's take a spin with Out of Architecture, the career consulting firm that helps you leverage the full value of your architecture education in any field. Jake Rudin: Jake is a strategic thinker and designer with a decade of experience in building things from the ground up. At Adidas, he leads Computational Design, Digital Technologies, and Pattern Engineering teams. He also runs Out of Architecture, a career consulting firm helping designers apply their incredible talents in untraditional ways. Erin Pellegrino: Erin is a strategist, designer and registered architect with a decade of experience in design, business development and creative consulting. She currently works as the founder and principal of Matter, a design firm that solves problems from brand and digital experiences to the built environment. Links: https://www.outofarchitecture.com @outofarchitecture on Instagram linkedin.com/company/outofarchitecture/ 

Is there more than architecture? In this podcast episode, join Jeff and Katharine backstage to reflect on a conversation that we had on https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLED5hT2c0oNJSkvckPLVWTp28x756MUwA (Context & Clarity LIVE), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAkl2GrVqp0&t=1s (Erin Pellegrino + Jake Rudin - Out Of Architecture). Erin Pellegrino and Jake Rudin are Co-Founders of Out of Architecture In the original conversation, Erin and Jake help us understand the value of our skills and education and what lies beyond architecture. If you enjoy this show, you can find similar content at https://gablmedia.com/ (Gābl Media).

This week, we have Jake Rudin and Erin Pellegrino, Founders of Out of Architecture, a career consulting firm interested in exploring the value of their skills both in and out of the architectural profession. Jake has a decade of experience in building things from the ground up. At Adidas, he leads teams in Computational Design, Digital Technologies, and Pattern Engineering.  Previously, Jake was the Director of Business Development at an EdTech Startup, worked around the world as a designer for top architecture and design firms, and taught extensively in the architecture and design fields. Erin is a designer and registered architect with a decade of experience in the fields of design, business development, and creative consulting. She currently works as the Founder and Principal of Matter, a design firm that solves problems that span from brand and digital experiences to the built environment.  She has worked extensively in the venture and start-up space in the Northeast, with early-stage companies as well as VC funds on design, visual, narrative strategy, and brand development.  Erin has also taught and coached in architecture and design fields at universities including Harvard, Cornell, Parsons, The City University of New York, and the New Jersey Institute of Technology.  In this episode, Jake and Erin discuss the disconnect between architecture education and the profession, how our skills and training can be invaluable to many different roles in different industries, and how you can create and design an architecture career that fits you. ► Access your free training at http://SmartPracticeMethod.com/ ► If you want to speak directly to our advisors, book a call at https://www.businessofarchitecture.co... ► Subscribe to my YouTube Channel for updates: https://www.youtube.com/c/BusinessofA... ******* For more free tools and resources for running a profitable, impactful, and fulfilling practice, connect with me on: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/busin... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/enoch.sears/ Website: https://www.businessofarchitecture.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/BusinessofArch Podcast: http://www.businessofarchitecture.com... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/b... Android Podcast Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Businesso... ******* Access the FREE Architecture Firm Profit Map video here: http://freearchitectgift.com Download the FREE Architecture Firm Marketing Process Flowchart video here: http://freearchitectgift.com Come to my next live, in-person event: https://www.businessofarchitecture.co... Carpe Diem!

This week, I'm speaking with Jake Rudin and Erin Pellegrino, Founders of Out of Architecture, a career consulting firm interested in exploring the value of their skills both in and out of the architectural profession. Jake has a decade of experience in building things from the ground up. At Adidas, he leads teams in Computational Design, Digital Technologies, and Pattern Engineering.  Previously, Jake was the Director of Business Development at an EdTech Startup, worked around the world as a designer for top architecture and design firms, and taught extensively in the architecture and design fields. Erin is a designer and registered architect with a decade of experience in the fields of design, business development, and creative consulting. She currently works as the Founder and Principal of Matter, a design firm that solves problems that span from brand and digital experiences to the built environment.  She has worked extensively in the venture and start-up space in the Northeast, with early-stage companies as well as VC funds on design, visual, narrative strategy, and brand development.  Erin has also taught and coached in architecture and design fields at universities including Harvard, Cornell, Parsons, The City University of New York and the New Jersey Institute of Technology.  In this episode, Jake and Erin discuss the disconnect between architecture education and the profession, how our skills and training can be invaluable to many different roles in different industries, and how you can create and design an architecture career that fits you.   Get in touch with Erin and Jake via their Website: https://www.outofarchitecture.com/ Erin's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erin-pellegrino/ Jake's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jakerudin/   ► Access your free training at http://SmartPracticeMethod.com/ ► If you want to speak directly to our advisors, book a call at https://www.businessofarchitecture.co... ► Subscribe to my YouTube Channel for updates: https://www.youtube.com/c/BusinessofA... ******* For more free tools and resources for running a profitable, impactful, and fulfilling practice, connect with me on: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/busin... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/enoch.sears/ Website: https://www.businessofarchitecture.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/BusinessofArch Podcast: http://www.businessofarchitecture.com... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/b... Android Podcast Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Businesso... ******* Access the FREE Architecture Firm Profit Map video here: http://freearchitectgift.com Download the FREE Architecture Firm Marketing Process Flowchart video here: http://freearchitectgift.com Come to my next live, in-person event: https://www.businessofarchitecture.co... Carpe Diem!

In this episode, we had the pleasure to have another two Harvard graduates, Jake Rudin and Erin Pellegrino. They are educated as architects, but soon in their careers, they have noticed a really dark side of the profession. Architects often end up doing non-creative work, they have lots of extra hours at work and they are often under-payed for the skills they have.  The two of them have figured out a way out of architecture. Jake currently is working in Oregon at Adidas in the Digital Technologies division, while Errin has opened her own creative studio called "Matter" in the New York Area. Since 2018 the two friends have co-founded Out of Architecture, a consultancy company that helps architects and creatives, in general, switch their careers and find what will be the perfect fit for them.  More about Jake and Erin: Linkedin: Jake Rudin LinkedIn: Erin Pellegrino https://www.outofarchitecture.com/ If you like the show please make sure to subscribe to the podcast and feel free to contact us anytime! We would like to hear from you on one of the following channels: Instagram: @tcipodcast  LinkedIn: The Creative Insider If what we do is useful for you or gives you joy, you can support us with a coffee on: http://ko-fi.com/tcipodcast  If you are a reader and a newsletter person, we would be happy to give you a monthly sum-up of all the best tips we get from our guests! Join us on https://thecreativeinsider.com/subscribe/  Thanks for listening and for your support! Kind regards, Georgi and Désirée ;)

This is now of the most eye-opening episodes I have recorded. Its alternative title or subtitle would be: CAN ARCHITECTURE BE A 9-5 JOB? Some time ago, one of the biggest architecture studios posted a job offer, with one of the requirements being: 'no 9 – 5 mentality'. It got a lot of attention in social media and made many people question the current working ethics. One of the loudest voices of this discussion belongs to Jake Rudin: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6832783241913745408/ (LinkedIn post) Jake is a strategic thinker and designer and member of the Adidas Advanced Creation Technologies team. He is also the co-founder of Out of Architecture — a career consulting firm started by two Harvard-educated professionals interested in exploring the value of their skills both in and out of the architectural profession. His main point (according to my understanding) is that all architects & designers, especially the young ones, should be fairly paid for the work they do. They should value their competence, knowledge, years spent at the university education and vast palette of skills. He summarized: I'm so disappointed in architecture. I love the art, I love the work, and I love the people. The profession as a whole needs to be corrected. I can't save the profession, but I can help individuals. It reasoned with me a lot — good working conditions and people centered approach is something that is important to me. And I do agree, that we, young professionals, should value our skills. The end result of my thinking is this episode. We discussed:

Jake Rudin and Erin Pellegrino are the co-founders of Out of Architecture (@outofarchitecture), a career consulting firm for architects looking to apply their incredible talents in untraditional ways. Jake and Erin met during their Bachelor of Architecture program at Cornell University, and both received their MBA from the Quantic School of Business and Technology and graduate degrees from the Harvard Graduate School of Design.Currently, Jake works at adidas where he manages teams in Computational Design, Digital Technologies, and Pattern Engineering.He also teaches visual communications at Portland State University. Erin is a Visiting Lecturer in Architecture at Cornell and Principal of her studio, Matter. In this episode, we discuss passion versus pay, creative and financial burnout, and how to see your own career as a design problem. Connect with Jake & Erin:Website: outofarchitecture.comInstagram: instagram.com/outofarchitecture/ LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/out-of-architecture Connect with Jane Z.Instagram: @insideoutwithjaneWebsite: www.insideoutwithjane.com   Email: hello@insideoutwithjane.com 

Running Out of Architecture, a career consulting firm for architects, as well as working for Adidas managing engineering and design teams, Jake is well-versed in design and corporate creativity. Experienced in areas such as beekeeping, to show design and innovation, Jake is brilliant all around and incredible to have on The Matt Baxter Show!Linkedin - Jake Rudin