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第17章-約伯的苦境與指責 A1-3 苦境：心灰意冷，即將死亡，只求主伸冤 B4-5 指責朋友：不明理，搶奪人！ A6-9 苦境：成為人的笑談，憂愁昏花，8-9仍相信神的公義，堅持真道中得力量！ B10-12 指責朋友：沒有智慧，顛倒黑白 A13-16 苦境：盼望死亡！ 結構亮光；約伯繼續回應以利法的指責，三段提到自己的苦境－1-3 苦境：心灰意冷，即將死亡，只求主伸冤；3在這樣的苦境中，約伯無法期待朋友給他的鼓勵支持，唯獨向神呼求！6-9 苦境：成為人的笑談，憂愁昏花，仍在堅持真道中得力量！13-16 苦境：盼望死亡！ 並且也指責朋友：4-5 指責朋友：不明理，控告搶奪人，甚至求神懲罰他的朋友，朋友會遭報，他們的兒女也受連累！10-12 指責朋友：沒有智慧，顛倒黑白！12「他們」：指約伯的朋友。整節表示他們安慰說：只要約伯悔改，順境必臨到，困境會過去；但這些話都不是事實。 也針對以利法的話語反擊：因為以利法以自己的年紀，智慧，靈異經驗為誇口，因此約伯在此特別強調4朋友不明事理，10沒有智慧！這些話語在以利法的耳中真是諷刺！ 從ABABA的結構看來，人的苦境，苦情與對朋友的指責是相互交叉的，人的極大的沮喪情緒中，常常用放大鏡來看自己的苦境，也用放大鏡來看別人的錯誤，這是很危險的，卻是人的真相！ 鑰節：17:9 然而，義人要持守所行的道；手潔的人要力上加力。 9 即便在這樣大的苦境中，約伯仍然選擇持守正道，堅持聖潔，並且相信手潔心清的人可以力上加力！聖潔會給人很大的力量！可在各樣的挑戰危難中得著力量！因為聖潔者知道自己背後有一位堅固的靠山，就是神自己！因此可以得著力量！願我們也常在神的話語與同在中裡面得到力量！ －－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－ 講員： 貴格會合一堂 徐坤靖牧師 聖經之鑰-各卷書播放清單： https://thfc.pse.is/3epsdf 【聖經之鑰 相關資源】YouTube： https://thfc.pse.is/3cfams電子書： https://thfc.pse.is/3ccluu Powered by Firstory Hosting

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O concurso Gato e Musa Taça Coopeva 2022 ocorre no dia 24 setembro, tendo por local o Clube de Leituras, no Centro de Venâncio Aires. No total, 35 meninas e 8 meninos subirão à passarela para representarem os times do campeonato. Para conhecer um pouco mais cada candidata e candidato, todos serão apresentados de forma individual. Agora, sem apresentam em áudio, Gabriela dos Santos de Moura, do time Ababa; Gabriela Mendes Eckert, do Revoada FC; Gislayne dos Santos Silveira, do Falcons FC; e Isadora Caroline Bohn, do Lenz FC. Já quem concorre para gato Taça Coopeva é Igor Daniel Fischer, do time Momento Exato FC. Eles destacam ao longo do áudio os motivos que os fizeram aceitar o convite para concorrer. O concurso Gato e Musa Taça Coopeva 2022 ocorre no dia 24 setembro, tendo por local o Clube de Leituras, A noite da escolha, a partir das 21h, terá animação com Noredi Rodrigues e banda Nova Estação.

Join us this evening, as we look back at a fantastic win at Tannadice V Dundee United. We will talk Kyogo , Ababa staking a claim and much more! Hosted by - William Dobbin Guests - Francis Carty & Andrew Durning Check us out on facebook https://www.facebook.com/EndlessCelts Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/endlesscelts Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/endlesscelts Contact us Directly by email : endlesscelts@gmail.com The Endless Celts Podcast is a fan-based podcast hosted by dedicated, knowledgeable and passionate Celtic fans. Our show aims to bring you an informed look at all things Celtic Football Club. We aim to provide Celtic fans the world over with an entertaining outlet for reliable, honest and informative Celtic news. Talking all things Celtic like every other fan would. Just a group of Bhoys with a love for the club. #Podcast #CelticPodcast #AngePostecoglou #Ange #BigAnge #Giakoumakis #CallumMcGregor #Calmac #Kyogo #Hatate #DaizenMaeda #Jota #CelticFC #CelticFootballClub #TheEndlessCelts #EndlessCelts #ScottishFootball #SPFL #Soccer #Champions #Celtic #GlasgowCeltic #LurganCeltic #WeeHoops #PreSeason #Highlights #Podcast #CelticBlog #AaronMooy #MoritzJenz

Ethiopia's national capital and largest city, Addis Ababa, hosts a new mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, recently opened in summer 2020. The first leaders of this mission, President Robert Dudfield and Sister Darice Dudfield, join this episode of the Church News podcast to talk about missionary work in Ethiopia and all that has impacted it — including the pandemic and the recent civil unrest that has caused President and Sister Dudfield, along with their missionaries, to temporarily relocate to the neighboring country of Kenya. They are examples of serving the Lord faithfully and flexibly, as well as the blessings that come from serving in the Church and testifying of Jesus Christ. The Church News Podcast is a weekly podcast that invites listeners to make a journey of connection with members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints across the globe. Host Sarah Jane Weaver, reporter and editor for The Church News for a quarter-century, shares a unique view of the stories, events, and most important people who form this international faith. With each episode, listeners are asked to embark on a journey to learn from one another and ponder, “What do I know now?” because of the experience. Produced by KellieAnn Halvorsen. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Arlina Allen 0:13 Dr. Rob Kelly, thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you, Andy for asking. Awesome. Looking forward to this. Hey, before we get started, I saw a picture of you with an English bulldog. Was that yours? Unknown Speaker 0:25 Yes, I have three English Bulldogs we strive for, but we had to rehome one because of fights. Oh, but I have Mackenzie, Who's the girl and two boys. Arlina Allen 0:34 And so sweet. So I've had four total but right now I have just one. Yeah, an English bulldog. His name is Teddy. He's the podcast mascot. You will occasionally hear him snoring in the background. Unknown Speaker 0:47 Always. I've got three in the office today cuz doing other things downstairs. But yeah, I hope they don't balk or anything. Otherwise, we're in trouble. It's Arlina Allen 0:56 fine. It's fine. This is not CNN. Be good. But my audience is all about sobriety and finding solutions. And you are the solution guy. I saw you on the doctors and did my research and saw on your on your website that you talk about permanent recovery. And that's what everybody wants. Everybody wants these people who've just been through the wringer of people who want to stop and cannot. Those are our people. Right and so I can't wait to hear what you have to say about all that. But like I said, before we jump in we do this something called the lightning round. So I'm just gonna pepper you with it's never usually very fast. But I'm I'm so curious. What were some of your favorite books when you got sober? Unknown Speaker 1:51 When I got sober? Well, obviously the big book I read often, but I kind of well I wrote about myself. So that's obviously the best ever. But just real life, I love biographies. I love to see how other people live. And now other people have overcome not not a big believer in you know, these get get well or get fit box that are out there. I just think that it's all about the mind. on trade with the mind. Yeah, I Arlina Allen 2:21 couldn't agree more. Yeah, I'll be talking to Dr. Anne Lemke. She wrote that book that just was released dopamine nation, so I'm super excited about that. And also, never enough. Another neuroscientist. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I'm all about it. Awesome. What about do you have like a favorite go to mantra, he kind of said it this morning. When I asked I Unknown Speaker 2:44 did I did. I always use that it's dreaming. I'm living the dream instead of dreaming a living is and it came to me. When I was homeless, passing a nice house with the children mum and dad. Having Christmas lunch. I used to dream of that. I used to dream of living that little dream. And I went I did. It just came to me one day, and it's been my mantra ever since. Arlina Allen 3:08 Yeah, we do have a tendency to spend a lot of time in fantasy land. One more. Yeah. And that throws Unknown Speaker 3:14 even afterwards, if I'm honest. Um, do you have a regular self care routine that you practice for yourself? I do every single day when I get up. First thing I want to do is I want to train my subconscious brain. So I go to the mirror. I love myself in the eyes. And I say I love you 10 times. I don't say any other affirmation just I love you. Because I used to have a big problem with that. So I'm kind of stored in the subconscious brain. So when it comes to like decision making, that's going to pop over to the prefrontal cortex, and I'm gonna go you know, something, I love myself today. I deserve this. So yeah, that's what I do. And then I write out five things, I'm going to accomplish that day. And, and the idea behind that is if I if I, if I complete all five, I've taken a step forward in life. If I only complete three or four, I've taken a step back in life. Arlina Allen 4:07 Oh, interesting account. You know, what I heard recently is accountability. Empathy without accountability reinforces the victim mentality. Yes. I like that. I like the I like that accountability piece that you have for yourself. I have a feeling you're kind of a hard ass and I can't wait to talk to you about that. But I have one more question. I like I like to work question. What's the one thing you wish you knew when you first got sober? It's gonna be okay. That's gonna be my life's gonna be amazing. You're like this amazing? He says, um, and what do you do for fun? Unknown Speaker 4:44 I have a music where am I used to be a musician when I was young. So I was a onstage musician and then I was a played at Abbey Road for about three or four years. I played with elton john Queen David Bowie. So I have a music room at home or with a full fall everything Got everything and you can imagine so I go in there about once every couple of days and I may play drums or guitar I might play keyboard I might write songs I might do a live YouTube. So that's what I do and of course walking my three English Bulldogs is also great Arlina Allen 5:16 use I noticed that you have some big guns Do you consider exercise fun? Unknown Speaker 5:21 Yes of course. Yeah, I I have what's called a mirror in the house. We also have a bike. A well known bike power. Arlina Allen 5:28 The mirror the exercise mirror thing? Yeah. Oh, you like that? I'm, I'm I know. Phenomenal. You can do everything on that. Yeah. And you can make yourself look beautiful. Yes. If you really squint for me, I'm like, Oh, yeah. Can I just I don't want to gloss over the fact that you mentioned that you play with elton john and Queen. fucking amazing. Unknown Speaker 5:49 Right on, right. That is Arlina Allen 5:52 amazing. He just kind of like threw that out there very casually. That's pretty incredible. Unknown Speaker 5:57 Yeah, why? It's what paid for courage college, I was a session musician. I grew up on a unmade projects. So I wasn't ever going anywhere, really. But I was wanting to better so I auditioned after playing another recording studio sessions and then added seven auditions and got the job. And I was only 16 at the time against perfect. I know. But I had this confident. Well, I said my mom used to tell me I used to walk around with a guitar around my neck and wouldn't even check it out of both. I was just because I'm musical family. I was on stage at nine. Family. So yeah, so awesome. Everyone asked the same thing. Who's the worst person you've played with? Regarding hanging around? Who's the best, worst person to elton john. Once he gets into that mood, his heart was Arlina Allen 6:40 out before he got sober after? Unknown Speaker 6:43 Yes, I think before it would be 79 around the area. And the best would be Freddie Mercury. We spent hours and hours late into the night chatting about philosophy and how it can change the world. So yeah, I got this Arlina Allen 6:58 sense from Freddie Mercury that he'd be really funny. Unknown Speaker 7:01 Oh, yeah, he is. He's always kind of switched on. You never find him in a bad mood. He's always smiling. He used to call me Robbie, darling. Unknown Speaker 7:10 What else would he call you? Right? Unknown Speaker 7:14 Awesome, guys. Arlina Allen 7:15 It's amazing that he is truly truly unique. That's very cool. Okay, well, that's it for my silly lightning round questions. I always like to provide like Book Resources and things like that and sort of set the stage for mindset. But really, what I, what you and I think both care about is helping other people and to help other people I do I actually practice hypnotherapy. So when you talk about subconscious mind, neuroscience and all that stuff, what we're talking about is root cause, right? Because we're You and I are dealing with people that have chronic, persistent, pervasive conditioning from childhood. I read somewhere in your stuff that root causes are abandonment, fear and shame. Can you tell me a little bit about why those things lead us to want to medicate with drugs and alcohol? And really, mostly, what is your process to help treat that pervasive consist consistent conditioning? Unknown Speaker 8:16 Well, we have to look, there's a couple of things you need to look out before again, that conversation and that is the alcoholic brain, which is a predisposition. We're born this way. So rather drink, not like drug taking. alcoholism is different. So we look at that brain, for instance, is what I study. And many people often ask me, what's the gateway drug? Rob? It's obviously marijuana. And my answer is always the same. It's trauma. That's the gateway drug. So I'm born this way. I have a remapped neural pathways at birth because you have the alcoholic brain, which wants to self sabotage any opportunity it can. So remapped and then trauma. Now when I'd say trauma, people think, Oh, well, I've never been in a car crash or, you know, it's no witness to murder or right. But drama could be in the house. So for instance, by my mom watching, hypothetically, one day and me and my brothers stood on the table, my brother's a normie. And my mom says to my brother, because this is what she said, and this is what she he hears, Paul, down on that table. You stupid idiot. Get down, and he jumps off and he laughs What I hear same sentence said to me in the same voice, get out of that chair, you stupid idiot. So my brain and subconscious brain and central nervous system is jacked up for a start. And all that wording, everything we hear, and we see is always stored in the subconscious brain every thing we do, and that's why the latest science that I do regarding the brain is helpful into the subconscious brain. So I'm automatically abandoned because of the way I hear and see things. So my dad used to work a lot of hours were a working class family. So I have hardly seen my dad there. abandonment issues straight away, which we don't think or abandonment issues. My dad's doing the best he can, you know? Oh, don't be silly, Robert, you can't go to college like your brother. Oh my goodness that does more harm than you could ever imagine. But my subconscious brain loves that stuff. Arlina Allen 10:17 Why did she say Why did she say you can't Don't be silly, you can't go to college, it was Unknown Speaker 10:22 just something my mom said, you know, it's not like my brother, when it's like, we can't go to college, we just don't do that. See, I was supposed to grow up, just like my parents. By the time I was 18, married by the time I was 19, have a baby or to have a normal nine to five working manual job and go to the pub every night and the way home. That was it from generations to generations. Because you can see that pattern of alcoholism and mindset going back through my family, that that's what they settled for. Now, I was different, I didn't want to settle for that. So going back to the abandonment, the alcoholic brain and central nervous system. And the whole aura is always felt as if we don't fit in. So I never fit in anywhere. So there's the abandonment, again, the shame of where I grew up. I grew up on the project counselor stage, all my friends I went to school with even though it was just a normal school, they lived on a private estates, which parents had a mortgage, we pay rent, I was so embarrassed about I was so shameful. And of course, when my drinking took over at the age of nine, I started but it took over about 2526 there was the shame of that. So what we do is we have to go back or we call is a scene of the crime. And we have to start clearing that stuff up. And the worst thing somebody can say to me is Oh, yeah, I've kind of worked on that myself. If you worked on that yourself, you won't be relaxing, first of all, and you won't be going through girlfriend's chain every week, you know, you're having, we have to really go back and look exactly what you do and repair that damage done in the past and usually by Kagan's Arlina Allen 11:57 so when you say go back to the past and repair the damage, that is the crux of the treatment, right? Unknown Speaker 12:04 Yes. Yes. Because you have to go back and look, you know, I mean, many people come in, they go, Okay, well, I drink him out. I don't do this. They do that. Well, anything, any trauma. Now. Everything's good. And when we go back and really pinpoint, they forget to tell me about the molestation from the father or the uncle or the priest. They forgot to tell me a bit homosexual actually did when he was nine or 10. They forgot to tell me about how the mum used to smack them across the face because their house wasn't tidy when they come home. So they kind of think well, mum and dad did the best now. I'm not having that. hating on people say that. Well, they did the best they could now, you know, I used to walk to school with holes in my socks, and cardboard in my shoes. Because I hold in my shoes. Walking on the snow to Mars. I had to watch work every day because my mom couldn't afford my socks and shoes. Now my mom could afford and my dad to go to the bar every Friday and Saturday night. So I had one person sat down once and he said this. He said wrong. You really upset about them shoes. And I said yeah, but my mom dad couldn't afford it. And he said this to me that changed my life. He says when your mom went to the bars every Friday, Saturday and Sunday night, did she have holes in her socks? And I was like, when he hit me I had more trauma and I could ever imagine growing up, you know, they will drop me with a friend. But when I got to the friend, the man and the woman they would say okay, we ever we have a naked night tonight. So everyone gets naked. I didn't tell my mom that because I thought it was natural. Arlina Allen 13:36 Yeah, yeah. That everybody in the house got naked. Unknown Speaker 13:40 Yeah, but you know, all the kids and the mom and dad. And that's just a Wait, why. So I went along. I never even mentioned it because I thought it was the norm. You see my I have a big thing. And it's this, anything less than nurturing as a child, his child abuse, especially what find out more about the brain and the central nervous system. I can never get a girlfriend, Why do I always leave? Why is it Why did I marry my dad? Well, it's like, you have to understand why we do these things. There's a pattern to our behavior. And if and if you're happy doing that pattern and living the way you're living great, but if you want to change your life, then you need to go back and clear this stuff up and change neural pathways from self sabotage to self care. Because at the moment, or when I was born up until about 28 when I got sober. I had more self sabotage. And then I did self care. So I start really good. Oh, I would look so good. I mean, when I was when I went to work, I do anything girlfriend, but after a month or two, it's self sabotage. If you feel like this. Oh my god, it's it's nine o'clock. Rob. You're not supposed to start till 10 and then six rather you're going home. I'll stay till seven A month later, Where the hell is Rob It's one o'clock. That's all my life has been like that. Because I self sabotage over any considerable period with a mindset like that. Arlina Allen 14:59 Right? It's an internal In a mindset of I don't really truly deserve this Unknown Speaker 15:04 100 and million percent and the other one is self dialog I can I can sell stuff so you don't have to say anything to me. I dropped a pat on the floor and I go What a stupid idiot when I'm picking it up loves that stuff so when I go for that car that job that girl that house whatever the subconscious brain goes, You stupid idiot. What are you doing here? You can't do this Did you think you are and I still get that today when I go on when I do speaking of setting the wing some town I'm thinking oh my god, they don't want what I've got nothing to offer. Oh my god, oh my god, and a panic. And then God taking a walk over and I'm a big spiritual guy now used to hate that word garden. Oh, we're all happy going to church. I used to hate that. Arlina Allen 15:47 Did you go to church growing up? Unknown Speaker 15:48 I did. I was a quiet I was a quiet boy I was I was a chorister, as they call it in the Protestant church had a great voice and my but my headmaster sexually abused me. One of the guys that you know, and I blame my mom. My mom knew about this. Arlina Allen 16:06 That he was like that and sent you anyway. Unknown Speaker 16:09 It was nothing directly talked about. But I remember being picked up. There's a there's a group out there of saying there's a cola, Vienna Boys Choir, and we should delete it. Well, my headmaster said well, who was also the the teacher of the music and the church, said to my mom, we have Robert an audition for the Vienna Boys Choir in Chester, which is 70 miles away for LA. He took me there and the rest was blurred. We never went to any audition. I come home feeling sick. Mom said I was silent for about three months. Yeah, I was concerned if and I was shocked. I don't remember the incident. But put two and two together. You know, I don't know of any audition. So it's a ruse. And then there was the neighbor across the road. That was about 1415. And he was he was married. But he was he was gay. And we go to the sauna together because I was into fitness and bodybuilding at the time. And he would try to MLS me and do things. And it was awkward. And no one made it into fun, but many years later, and I said oh you everyone needs to go to sauna. I said, Oh yeah, with the gay guy. And I looked at them. And I said, How'd you know? Now everyone knows about him? And I didn't say Arlina but I wanted to say why the fuck? Did you just let me go through five years of my life with this guy knowing quite well, what he's capable of doing. And he really kind of set me and not against my parents. But I'm thinking you know, the best he could is not good enough for me. Arlina Allen 17:38 I don't know I heard that at a meeting one time this guy because you do hear that a lot and I think it's a way it's a sort of like spiritual bypassing like you have to go through the pain first and do the processing metabolize the pain Ababa. And sometimes that bought they did the best they could offers a little bit of peace. But if you don't do the work first, it's just spiritual bypassing and you're just putting a bandaid over a pile of shit. Right? Exactly. This guy stood up at a meeting one day and he like, pounded the podium. He goes it wasn't good enough. Yes, it wasn't. And I was like, Thank you finally somebody said Unknown Speaker 18:18 you say the truth exists. And that's and that's what's missing. One of the things that I came to America because I wasn't known or famous or anything back then is I wanted to to have a platform where I could speak my mind. I don't report to anybody you know if I say the things that other people are thinking or wish they could say because it isn't good enough. You drop the fucking bar mom and dad own it you know get get oh well that's just the way that my dad never spoke to me. You know, he couldn't give him a gift he was one of them gave very embarrassed what it was just the way he was brought bullshit. Change it I changed it you know I lost my kids and all that but now I've got in touch with one of our I've changed it you know? Just to what No, it's not I'm not having that. You know, Arlina Allen 19:00 what's important about owning it in your mind like when when you're when you tell somebody you know hey, it wasn't good enough and we want them to own it. Is it the validation is it a standing up for ourselves? What is it about owning it that is so important Unknown Speaker 19:18 well first of all when I when I do that it's it's telling the truth it's out in the truth is that there are some there are some guys going up now around the world that don't even think the Holocaust happened. It's that crazy. Don't want people to get into that. It's like less reminders who dropped the ball and who didn't you know, and I like I like given information that you know people go oh shouldn't be talking about that. You know, first of all the alcoholism. Yes, we should. And I'm blatant when farmers comment on little Johnny's you know his his drinking every day like what he's gonna die. Whoa, you can't say that. Yours. Why? Why can I not speak the truth? Truth tell him for me is powerful. Yes, really is power. And I like to I like to. First of all, I have this order that attracts people when I speak. And that was a gift. I used to be on it, huh? Yeah, yeah. Now I say louder, say stronger, say proud. And people listen. And I love the fact that let's not keep it hidden away. Bring it out because alcoholics used to be until two, three years ago, where the gay community was 30 years ago, is that we don't talk about that. We don't really we know it goes on. But hey, you know, I always think I know right? But Arlina Allen 20:33 okay, here's, here's this Sorry to interrupt you. But here's the thing. It's okay for you to get drunk and show your ass in public. Yeah, but God forbid you tell people I don't drink anymore. I just don't like black now. I don't like waking up. And the worst thing in Unknown Speaker 20:47 the world is like, I heard this guy tell the joke when she was like, I went to the bar. And the guy said to me, do you want to drink and he says no one alcoholic? And he said what? He said, I'm sorry. I'm a I'm a serial killer. Thank God for that. scenario, when I'm out there just doing it. You know, it's Arlina Allen 21:06 so crazy to me that people are so like, and people still like that are in recovery. And listen, I don't I don't come out with like, I'm an alcoholic. I'm just like, yeah, don't do that. It just depends on the audience. It really depends on you have to you have to know your audience. Like at work I used to when I was in corporate, I would just be like, yeah, just not drinking want to get up early. Want to be fresh. Unknown Speaker 21:28 Yes. But I'm the last 10 years have been with people who are getting back in shape. And I've worked with a lot of a list footballers and stuff like that. And the fitness now is about getting back in shape, which covers for those people, I tell them the truth. You know, when they come in with a table, or you want a drink, and I was drinking, by the way to go do and drink, I'll just have cold coke. You're a big guy, you know, what you want to drink. Especially if it's a woman something it's like, I just have a little whiskey and like if I had a whiskey, first of all, I'm going to try to rape you. Or take you on in front of my wife. And then we're going to start fighting anybody who disagrees with me. And then I'm not going to actually get you on because I'll be arrested. What? That's what happens when I drink so I'll just have a coke. Yes, sir. And then walk away Arlina Allen 22:14 from coke coming out. One time I made the mistake and tell this guy at work. Because I go oh, I don't drink and he goes How come and I tend to break out naked. And he was off to drinks place. Oh, wrong, wrong thing to say. Break out in handcuffs. How about that? I'm allergic. Yeah, nobody scared of me fighting. I'm like five, three. That's awesome. But okay, so you know what I wanted to ask you? I did. I saw a lot of your videos and things like that. And you have this very strong personality kind of in your face thing. And there. There are some people that that that that really respond like they respond to that people who are in denial, people who just need that. I think people crave that level of accountability. People want to know where the boundaries are, so they can feel safe. But I don't think it works for everyone. How do you know who that works for I you know, since you are able to adapt to every different kind of alcoholic? I think that's part of the gift the chameleon thing, right? I'm sure you have that too. You have learned to turn that into an asset. How do you read someone to know whether the in your face kind of style works or the gentle nurturing works? Unknown Speaker 23:37 So usually the firt the first indication is where they contacted us. It's like, well, I heard this podcast and oh, my God, I love Dr. Rob cannon, that's the first one he needs in his face. And then you got a parent's recall about this 18 year old girl is second too much heroin. And you know, you need a different approach to that. So and then they need to take an assessment, one of the reasons why we have a 97% success rate, over 20 odd years, 30 years and 7000 patients is because of the assessment. So I find out real quick whether you whether you really want to do this deal. So when when we will not take anybody's money if we can't guarantee that they can recover. So the assessment kind of puts everything into place for me. And you know, most people want what I give, but there are so I have a psychotherapist that works with four girls of sorry, three girls and one guy that needs a soft approach. And that's great. We'll do that. Okay. No, but that Arlina Allen 24:35 be assessment that so you You must turn away a lot of people who don't really want it. Unknown Speaker 24:41 Yes. And that's what people can't understand, especially our so called treatment friends out there who keep checking the same person back time and time again for 30,000 a month is like I won't do that. Well, how do you survive? Well, we took almost a million dollars this year. How much did you take by being honest and straight with people because now we get to get be known like that is if you can't pass, I don't care how much money you've got. We've been offered blank checks, literally blank checks by billionaires and say fill it on yours. Unknown Speaker 25:11 Yes, they're saying, Unknown Speaker 25:12 My child is my child. I'll give you a blank check. You can do anything. You can buy your house, you can take a million you do. I'm the guy that turned down Britney Spears for a million dollars back in Dallas in the day because she came in she was drunk. She was three hours late. And she was a mess. So I said, No, I'm not doing it. Jamie at that girl bunnies are please Rob, please robbed. And the bodyguard often said, You're not leaving until you see her. So I'll put him in his place. And then two days later, she shaved all my hair off. So I won't do that. I can't lock in a parent's face and say, Hey, I'm really sorry. But she didn't want to know, I don't believe in that. If you get somebody with you, one on one, we do one hour a day for 90 days, you can change the way they think, per an Arlina Allen 25:55 hour a day for 90 days. What do you do in that hour? Unknown Speaker 25:58 Well, five days with me, and I go back and change neural pathways. And I change belief and I change behavior. And we build a future for them. So if they need a job, we'll get them on. If they need to start their own business, we'll build them a website, all this great stuff, my psychotherapist will go back to the scenes of the crime. He's specialize in childhood trauma, my number one coach, which is also my daughter, which we'll get into later, and Manchester office in England about a year ago. And she is the family, people because we believe if somebody calls, who wants help in a house, and this him, his wife and two children over the age of 16, all of them need to be in the program. We will take you on say, well, let's just be that sick. Now the house is sick, first of all, and the wife probably enabling, and she's going through some stuff, and she's probably mad or nervous breakdown. So either you all come on, or we don't see you as all Arlina Allen 26:54 that brilliant. Unknown Speaker 26:56 What do you think, you know, if you can imagine a house, let's be let's say speak Japanese. And we to take them out of the house and stick them in our houses, let's speak English, because we have a different language for recovery. So he speaks English, Japanese how still speaking Japanese. So we take the guy we're putting back into the Japanese speaking house, what's going to happen is going to start speaking Japanese. And that's one of the problems with recovery, you don't understand the family dynamic dynamics around the alcoholic, the whole family's sick and we need to heal the whole family. So we find that very unnecessarily intense work with the family dimension, the family unit. And of course, the alcoholic and the desperate wife, you know, terrible when we leave the wives alone or the husband's whoever the drinker is or the user. And we forget all about it. Because they've got the abandonment, they've got the shame, they've got the remorse they've got I always say, you know, sort of wives and husbands or partners or alcoholics or addicts, the PTSD that you have, because you have it, if you will, every one is no different from the PTSD from someone coming home from war. Now, I I love our soldiers, I'm an American citizen, I love them to bits, but just talk about the brain guys, because both of them never know it's going to be the last day, both of them never, no one's going to kick off. Both of them never know that you're not going to walk on eggshells today. It's the same thing. So the brain doesn't know the difference between war and war in the household. That's another thing that people don't understand. So the wife is going to be okay. Now she won't, you know, she will, you know, either commit suicide or do a runner or assist the alcoholic start drinking again, because she can't stand this new person that's come out. So it's really complex when when we talk about fixing, you know, it really is. And that's what we've done. We've spent 20 odd years, I do the latest brain science, I do brain spotting. What's brain spotting brain spot is a new development, that was only three people in the country or the world right now it can do it. Because it's not even, they haven't even bought a training course for it. But brain spotting is a technique that goes into the pupil and to the subconscious brain. It's a bit like a DMR. But it's it's a little different. So we're talking to the subconscious brain. And it's all about eye movement and the flicker in one eye. And then we stay with that flicker in that one eye and we find out what's caused that. And so Arlina Allen 29:17 where are they? I can see I can I see where you're going with this. So when you say that you see the eye flicker that's in the indicate and can't speak this morning. That's an indication that there is a traumatic memory there. Yes. And so you have them you see like what's happening now? Yes, that kind of thing. And the Unknown Speaker 29:36 first response, I know it's nothing, but we hold it there. We hold it. And they've got a look at the pan. And that may take five hours. It might take five minutes, but I'm staying there and all of a sudden they go Yeah, yeah. When you start talking about the traumatic event, it's the most powerful thing I've ever seen. Arlina Allen 29:56 So that's so this is what's been coming up for me lately. is there's the traumatic events like EMDR, like you mentioned, the eye movement desensitization reprocessing or reprogramming. And then there's but what do you do with the people who have the consistent pervasive trauma day in and day out? Like I was talking to a gal who had a mother who was a heroin addict, and she would hear her mother on the phone saying, we don't have enough, I need money, I need to feed my kids. Like she was using her kids as a scapegoat. And she was using her kids to get money. And but and there were times when she didn't have food. So today, she hoards food, and she has a weight issue. Right? It's and so you know, we were going to do some EMDR, or some, you know, hypnosis on that. So she goes, but it's not one situation, it's pervasive. How do you treat that pervasive, repetitive conditioning like that mental conditioning? Unknown Speaker 30:54 So we use the brain spotting, obviously, we also use a technique, which is called somatic experience, which is se people call it se. So we go back and we look at the central nervous system, and why is this being beat? Why is this happening? What's causing it, then we go into the brain, and we look at what's been happening in the past. So now we're using NLP neuro linguistic programming. So we're watching the behavior or watching the brain change and watching the trauma in the past, any patient or constantly, first of all needs to feel safe, we're getting in a safe place. And we go through that through the NLP or the SE. And we find out so then three techniques together, as as well as building confidence in the patient, that you're your own person, you know, and, unfortunately, we're going to go back, and we're going to pick them to pieces, the scene of the crime, as we call it, and then bring you forward through for the trauma through the behavior through the reaction that you have through the fear, but you haven't we walk them through bit by bit until they have clear conscience. And this takes time to deal with that in mind, Arlina Allen 32:02 yeah. Okay. So you create the safe space, you build confidence, and then bring them through those traumatic experiences with the button. So that feeling of safety and confidence overrides? Yes. Fear. Oh, 100%. That's what is the rewiring of the brain? Unknown Speaker 32:23 Yes, it's really it's resetting your pathways is what it is. Yeah. And then, and then once we've reset your pathways, and get them excited about life, the neurons start firing and get as excited. Every time we say certain things like thank you to somebody, dopamine is released into the brain, we use that a lot, you have to compliment three people every day. So it's a new technique that we have been doing for so many years, that used to call it out the box, they still call it out the box. But with the percentage rates that was on a success we had, we just really need to start looking at alternative ways to go back and fix this permanently. We don't need to go to for medication straight away. Because when we do, or, Arlina Allen 33:03 I'm sorry, go ahead and finish. Unknown Speaker 33:06 Thoughts about drugs, especially heroin addicts. 99.9% of heroin addicts started in the doctor's office, just because the doctor says it so it doesn't make it right. Or doesn't make it true. Yeah, and one of my big deals at the moment is fight against your doctor questioning why how when, what's going on? Why do I need to take this what damage is gonna do to what's the long term effect, but we don't we just go to doctors who are getting backhanders from somewhere, because the latest medication like vyvanse is out. And all of a sudden, it's the number one pill, you couldn't get it over here in Texas, you have to wait a week for vyvanse so popular he was someone who's getting something for doing that. What is five ounce vyvanse is a bit like it's it's amphetamine salts, it's it's a bit like Adderall. It's a different name on it. So when we're feeding our kids, amphetamine salts, speed is what we're giving our kids for attention deficit, when I was a kid, attention deficit was a slap across the head and say, concentrate. But there's a whole new story on that, where we go with that I can't get into it now. Because there's a lot more to explain about that. But that's that's what we do with people, you know, and we build them up and we create a life worth living. And we'll go to any lengths to do it and the length now, so doing as we have to, Arlina Allen 34:23 yeah, let me ask you, there's a lot of talk about I really don't have any judgment about about how people get sober and I understand that there's, you know, harm reduction is a thing. Yes, right. Like I get that and but I'm always I don't have enough information to make an informed decision about like the brain and the neural pathways and because while I think it's important for you know, people are smoking weed to get off heroin and that keeps them alive. God bless you. Do what you got to do. My concern is that like If the emotional and mental evolution or progress ends there, Do you have feelings about I'm sure you have feelings or opinions about like, why is harm reduction? not meant to be a permanent thing? Like how, like when I talk to people like that, how can we move them? Yes, I'm glad you're alive. If that's what's keeping you alive, I don't even have an opinion. But what about, what about one day stopping that? What about healing your brain and your dopamine reward system so that you no longer have to do that you can have the benefits of living a full life. Yeah, because I've heard of people on Suboxone for years, that's not the idea, you know, is much harder to come off Suboxone is heroin as a fact. So what we have to do is, is down step and grade and down and then taper off gradually and have an end date for that. So let's say the end date is two months or three months, we need to we need to keep heading towards that. And eventually as the brain starts to weaken up, and the central nervous system starts to activate supposed to do, and the feelings start coming back. And you realize that life is worth living and so much you've missed out on, eventually the end date will happen, and then be able to come off successfully. So depending on how far down how bad the psychosis is, how bad the day has been damaged, you cannot just stop and say, Okay, my fault drugs now, that's the worst thing in the world you can do, right best thing in the world you can do is seek doctor's help, come down and get your doctor to bring you down. Same with alcohol. I'm wherever they call me all the time, while he's drunk. Uh, you know, he's in a bad state of head. Now the bottles, don't hide the bottles, make him drink until he gets to detox. And many people are just ignorant about these because lack of now, therefore, his lack of information, though, we've been stuck in a closet for so long that you know, and that's one of the things that you want to do. Listen, when I was homeless people used to spit on me on the floor. I used to wake up and kids used to throw diapers on me that will fall. You know, having a lie. I woke up one morning, I was covered in this stuff. And I just I'm angry at that. And I'm really happy that I'm in a great place to do that today. So you know, I'm really strong on let's get a solution, a permanent solution for this minutes lotion, medication. Unfortunately, I don't think for addiction or alcoholism in general, permanent medication is not the way to go. That's in my opinion. because nothing's good enough for me. You know, we go to the sandwich shop, my friend has a sandwich and a call, I get to seminary a bag of chips, two cups, you know, I want 50,000 in the bank. Great. So when we get it Oh, it's just 100. It's crazy. So giving people drugs over lunch impaired regarding alcohol in our government, their addiction, not talking about medical, I take, I take a small drug for my depression, my antidepressant. And I'm proud of that, and I'm not coming off it. And that's the way it goes, you know, we should have that fine line between good medical advice. And don't listen to what other people say. So when it comes down to hardcore, abstinence completely 100% for that, the way we get there, wow, I don't care how you get there. When you come to me, there's an A, B, and C and you'll follow that up. People often say the difference between a therapist and what Dr. Rob's crew does, is the therapist will ask you How are you feeling? Then bastards will tell you how to feel. It's like, well, that's what it is. Because if I sat here long enough for me, and I said, I love you. I think you're the most amazing, gorgeous person I've ever seen. I want to leave my late wife tomorrow. And I want to come and find you out and marry you. You're going to laugh. But if I said it often enough, you're going to start to believe it. And if I said it real often enough, I'm going to start to believe it. So what we hear when we get these patients in sets them up for an amazing life. When's the last time somebody said you're an amazing person? When's the last time we thank somebody? I'll tell them I love you. When you start saying you stopped at a hospital walked in and thanked all the nurses. It never happens. Because especially when you get to a position like me and other people like me. I'm in the office some months ago and have two nurses there once a year once in their ages. And I heard them once said, oh my god. Did you see what Dr. Kerry just did with that guy? came in measureable suicidal, he walked out laughing and Western said bye to everybody is an absolute miracle worker 90 days. Yeah. And the older nurses said, Hey, have you told him that? And said, No, not me. They already knows. But I knows. We don't know. No, no. That's okay. So. So this is the interesting thing about, you know, the default mode network, right? That that operating system that we have in our brain and we tend to this what I've had this, you know, this observation that we need that if we've had constant conditioning of negativity, right like you were talking about repetition, you said if I tell you All these beautiful things, you're gonna start to believe that I'm gonna start to believing it's the repetition because the subconscious mind doesn't filter false from the truth. Right? It just takes, it's like the balance scale, which is kind of the good news, right? There's that idea of 51% that we're actually all you need is 51% to tip the scale, right? So it's this ongoing conditioning that that we need. So over those 90 days, they get the, you know, they get reconditioned, their mind is reset, the family is re adjusted. But the kicker is the the default mode network and going back to the old way, it's like if we don't maintain the conditioning, is it true that they go back to the old ways? What do you do for the ongoing conditioning course? Unknown Speaker 40:46 So this is my guys who are less than I'm sorry, what guys are watching? This is my self sabotage. neuropathways there's a blue plan. lymphocytes out sabotage, okay, these down here. Your small bits of self care. This runs my brain. Yes, I will self sabotage. So what this program does is it takes you from there to there, Arlina Allen 41:09 flips it over. Unknown Speaker 41:10 Yeah, so so they said never going to go away. So we need to daily maintain this by the smallest things obviously Peter, spiritual guy, you pray, covenant people at the Good Samaritan, you know, whenever I go into a room, like the room up, because if I walk into a room with a frown on my face, those people are gonna frown back. If I walk in the room and a smile on my face, most people gonna smile back. That's the hardest thing for people to do is practice smiling. You know, because the world needs leaders, you could be a leader for a day in the office or that waiting room or, you know, the elevator, you know, it's all about carrying carrying a message of Hey, you can be anything you want. And people people used to go Dr. Robert cambia president as I beg to differ today. You know, our business has just been run our country Don't tell me you can't do anything. There's no difference in somebody who comes to me almost homeless or homeless like me, and they and the CEO sat in that office above the only difference is he believed he could do it you don't want to believe that they can do it. The world is that oyster? Absolutely. Arlina Allen 42:13 People really understand how powerful beliefs are no are all in your subconscious mind. Unknown Speaker 42:20 Yeah, all powerful they are I always tell people your power but you just don't know it we need to start realizing how powerful you really are. Arlina Allen 42:28 Yes, I think you know and traditional, like 12 step record like the old school recovery is beating the drum of you're powerless you're powerless over you know, that hear it all the time. powerless over people places and things and I think I have to call bullshit on that. Unknown Speaker 42:43 Because you know, it's the face the biggest myth in a Yeah, is what because what is that once the Heartless were all put? No, it doesn't. Arlina Allen 42:51 alcohol. Unknown Speaker 42:53 What are the step one says we admitted we were powerless. How can I be power is not aware, no apostrophe in there. But people put in all powers over I'm not powerless over alcohol. I pass the liquor store. Hey, man, it's a past tense, they meant it to be a past tense. The term a permanent recovery. We had mentioned we were and our lives had now. It's all past tense once you start the steps if you've read the book, I mean, I love 12 step meetings with that big book because it's the truth. Yeah, talk about a psychic change and people go is that crystal ball? Listen, in 1938 when they were talking about a psychic change, it was changed neural pathways. 10 years ago, only 10 years ago in the medical fraternity, we found the brain was like plastic neuroplasticity they call it so same thing to change the neural pathways a mold in them in 1938 these guys were talking about that. Ai rooms right now are a joke. 90% of people in any meeting around the world is a heavy drinker. And we allow them to get away with this bullshit that come in. Oh, today I want to talk about I went to bed last night and my cat was looking bear up from my husband. Is he an alcoholic? Fuck Really? You know, we allow these guys to do that. So the real message is gone. But I've got to tell you 20 Arlina Allen 44:08 depends where you go. It did. Not only not all meetings are created. Oh, Unknown Speaker 44:13 no, they're not. They're amazing meetings. But there's the best piece of literature I've ever read. Is the 164 about about Blue Book. Oh, yeah. All the studies I've done in the world regarding that pertaining to the recovery of an alcoholic was the best book I've ever read. Arlina Allen 44:25 Yeah, I love the community that Yeah, there's so many good things but but you know, you just blew my mind with the whole we're powerless. Not we're powerless. Little apostrophe makes all the difference. And I guess the one thing that really bothers me about the 12 step community is the way some people treat the book like a new Bible. It's the religious dogmatic, like they're close minded to other things. And I wanted to ask you if you had any thoughts or opinions on, like treatment resistant depression with the use of psychedelics, I know Johns Hopkins is doing lots of studies. And there's this new like alternative recovery for people with like, intense heroin addiction or tend to alcoholism. They're doing these Iosco retreats in Costa Rica do what what are your thoughts on those? Unknown Speaker 45:16 Well, I have to be really kind of medical hair and say, hey, there's not enough data to make a decision right now. But we only know a little about the brain, we're discovering more and more every month. So why wouldn't you try that? Why wouldn't you try a different route to get to the same end result? Which is sanity? and living your best life? You know, and it may work for you? It may not? AIA may work for you. It may not. I mean, you don't have to go one place. 111 place is not the answer to everyone's problems here. The answer is to seek out the treatment that your doctor or therapist tells you to try. And I tried aect about five years ago with electronics I can't remember now trauma or something. But I was depressed, very, very depressed. And this is what my hater my career, but I did it for about four weeks best thing I ever did. Oh, my thing I ever did. Yeah, in literally four or five weeks. So I am always looking at different alternative new treatment, you know, and I don't put it down on anybody or anything from the medical fraternity that wants to be tried. Because why wouldn't we? Arlina Allen 46:23 Yeah, I've seen some just really interest. I've been hearing lots of experiences from people who talk about doing these Iosco retreats, I practice abstinence, my life is great. And I don't feel the need to I don't suffer from depression. It sounds very interesting, because it is a it sounds like a process of dissolving the ego. And really, it's like, it's like it drops the veil of denial. And you can see things clearly what you were talking about before about recognizing and acknowledging the truth, right, the truth of maybe some of the fear and the abandonment in the past. And I just found that really interesting. It'll be interesting to see what the Johns Hopkins clinical trials do. But I know of people personally who do things like the micro dosing to treat clinical depression, and things like Unknown Speaker 47:12 somebody like john hopkins university, and hospital to try this because everyone else would put a dampener on it. So I'm glad a good name in the industry. And the medical fraternity has actually taken steps to do this. I think it's absolutely amazing. But at the end of the day, it all goes back to your childhood. And you always go back to the predisposition and the heredis do facts of any illness around especially alcoholism and addiction. So it would be interesting to find out because the problem is with this world right now, is everybody knows somebody with an alcohol or drug problem. And I always say to him, if you don't, it's probably you. Because everybody knows somebody. You know, and a few times I've said that people got very quiet, and ended the conversation real quick. Yeah. So you know, let's bring it out into the open. Let's try all these things for different people and see if we can get a response. Arlina Allen 48:06 Yeah, yeah, life is short. Let's just Cut the bullshit and get to the truth. Unknown Speaker 48:11 sugarcoating. This shit kills people. And when somebody goes into a room, and a room and goes, Well, we're all powerless over alcohol. My answer is always the same. How many fucking people have you killed with that line? How many people have you killed by just saying that you self sank just son of a bitch. Read the park? If you if you stuck in is that was that mean? Read the information that tells us read it. It's awesome. Arlina Allen 48:35 Yeah, and it's not it's not only read it but apply it right we have to take action and apply the information. So it's not enough to know how we are know what we need to know the how we need to know how to apply this information. And, and listen, I just love what you're doing. It's I'm so pumped. I'm gonna leave all your links in the show notes. What's the best way to get ahold of you? If somebody is needing your help or wanting your help Unknown Speaker 49:00 jump on a Google or anything like that search engine. Just put my name in there. Dr. Rob Kelly, you'll see me websites Rob Kelly, calm I spell my name with two B's. So it's our BB k e Ll y.com. And if you want Listen, guys, I want to say something. If you're sat at home and listen to this and don't think you're worth anything and don't think you can allow anything because of your past. I want to apologize to you guys. Because somebody put that there. We are born with million dollar minds stop hanging around 10 cent minds, it's not for you. So that being said, I know people are set on going it's okay for him to do a turn to I don't know what to do. I'm going to give you my phone number here and my personal phone number. And if you're sat at home in a bad state, I'd rather come and help you right now and come to your funeral. So if you're sat at home in a bad state and want a 10 minute pep talk that will change your life. Here's my personal phone number people don't believe me. This is my cell phone number. It's not my assistance. It's not the front desk. It's 214600 zero to one, zero. Now, as you can imagine, I'm a busy guy where you call me or text me, leave a message, I will get back to you and it will be okay. Don't believe the hype. It's gonna be alright. Arlina Allen 50:12 Wow, that's impressive. I was like, Oh shit, he's really going to do it. Unknown Speaker 50:17 No, people are surprised that that you know, it just I know, I'm in the trenches with you guys. It's on to a homeless guy that got his kids taken off in, you know, that fell asleep. Last drive his kids Three days later not being changed or fed and I'm drunk on the floor, and the police drag them out of there. This is the guy that his eldest daughter said, baby, Daddy, please stop drinking and I couldn't do it. Six months later, I was homeless, the million dollar house had gone. The cars the wife, the kids, the parents, the brother and sister, I was abandoned on the street, I can do this. I'd love to sit here and tell you, I'm really clever. But I'm not. If I can do this, you can do that. You just need that 10 Mini pep talk to set you on the real track. And of course it had been helped you professionally, of course. But you do have to pass an assessment. And 75% of people that come to us fail the assessment, unfortunately, because we're the real deal. We're talking to true. Arlina Allen 51:09 accountability. I love it. Dr. Rob Kelly, thank you so much for your time today. I am so inspired and excited about the work that you're doing. I can't wait to leave all the links to all the resources and thank you so much for being the real deal and giving your phone number. That's incredible. Unknown Speaker 51:29 I know it's awesome. Thank you guys for listening and thank you Arlina you're an amazing and I love you by the way. Arlina Allen 51:34 I love you. I believe you. You have a wonderful day. Thank you so much. Thank you. Bye bye Transcribed by https://otter.ai

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Perspectives Podcast Lisa Forrest - Your Show Notes[00:00:00] Hey everyone. Welcome to this epiSo,de of perspectives. I am going to be your host today. I am Sharon Remy PearSo,n and today we're going to be chatting with ex former Olympian, Lisa Forrest. Who's written a wonderful book called Glide I hope you've had a chance to read it. So, you may remember the Moscow Olympics in 1980 were ground to a hold or had So, much controversy, , because it was the Olympics that the politicians wanted to boycott.And Lisa swam at the Moscow Olympics and subsequent to that in the Commonwealth games here in Brisbane in Australia, she became a household name because of that shoe in not, she was 14 years old when she did her first Commonwealth games, what a remarkable human being. She was captain of the Moscow Olympic team, a small band ofathletes that went in the face of death threats, controversy, news [00:01:00] headlines going either way, slamming them or supporting and celebrating them. Her family was receiving death threats during this time. And after that, as I mentioned in, I think it was 1982, she swam and won gold two gold medals in the Brisbane Commonwealth games with the home crowd, just going crazy for her after her retirement, from swimming at the ripe old age of, I think, 19, she went on and had an amazing career as a journalist.She was on the midday show. I think it was with Ray Martin set afternoon football. She had her own shows. She went on to a show called everybody on the ABC TV and So,me other shows as well. She alSo, trained as an actor in New York, but all the way through this, there was another narrative going on. So, the external looks amazing and shiny and filled with success and applause and gold medals.And under the water, there was So, much more going on. I mean that metaphorically within Lisa and So, in Lisa's book glide she talks about the challenges she was facing [00:02:00] going on within her, within facing her emotions. , What it meant to be mentally tough as a 14 or a 16 year old, not wanting to feel that tough.She talks in glide about how to be mindful and filled with compassion. When it seems everything around you, all the stimuli coming your way is telling you to be any other way. And now she works as a mindfulness coach and a mindfulness trainer teaching the principles of compassion and mindfulness. As she describes, it's two wings of this beautiful bird and how to navigate life in a way other than being a perfectionist, other than being tough, other than never facing her vulnerability.And seeing as weakness, she paints a very different landscape about how we can be and how we can navigate the beauty and the joy of life. And her message is very inspiring. I must say reading the book, there were times I was thinking when, when this hero being Lisa find within her, that it was always within her and I won't give you the [00:03:00] punchline, but the epiSo,des worth hearing about how she transformed her internal dialogue, her internal narrative, So, that she felt as beautiful on the inside as her life looked on the outside.And here she is Lisa forest. So, where are you? Are you in Sydney? Yes, I'm in Sydney. Yeah. And we live in the inner city and Redfin. So,. We've been here for oh, more than 20 years. So, you could buy a place under half a million in Redfern. We did back then notI grew up in the Northern beaches in Sydney, but my mom grew up in the inner city. So, my Nana was living here all her life. So, we were, we went between the two all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic, great stories from Sydney. I felt, I don't know Sydney really, except as a tourist. So, you introduced Sydney and there was a lot of, a lot more heart to it.The way you wrote about it than I've imagined it to be, which was beautiful. I really enjoyed that. Thank you. You mean in terms of the eDee Whyladies growing up [00:04:00] by the beach? Yeah, I was very lucky. I mean, it is a charmed, you know, way to grow up and I was just lucky, like dad was the Bondai lifesaver. And then, then at a certain point he decided that he'd rather rather board ride, , or ride a board.And So,, yeah, he, they had a place at Newport. , before, long before I was born and back then there was no sewage or anything. It was just a holiday place. So, mumand dad would drive the caravan up there for this block of land. And then once I decided to get married and have kids, they moved So,rt of back towards  where there was a school and a bus route and, you know, all that So,rt of stuff feel.In So,me ways you, you, your parents were sung heroes in your book, but I think even more So, they were an unsung hero. A theme in the book was their heroism in how they were just So,, self-sacrificing and placing you center in your dream center to their world. So, I thought that was. Beautiful the way they've done that.And my hat goes off to them. That kind of parenting. It's [00:05:00] interesting, isn't it? Because we talk about helicopter parenting now, and yet they were, you know, when you use the word self-sacrificing they just cause certainly for dad. , I think we were his world. Like my, my dad was a shy kind of, you know, he was really happy in his own world.He's a surfer, he was a swimmer. He didn't really need a lot and loved where I grew up and obviously loved mom. And then we came along and he was, he worked on building sites and we just were, you know, we were his world and we still aren't really like, you know, he will say if I go to visit him and be like, you know, see you next week and he'll say, can't come So,on, enough love at the same time, they weren't helicopter parents.And it's just more, if I was interested in swimming, which, you know, I showed an interest from that first day down at the DUI ladies, then, you know, he'd helped me do it. And likewise. , you know, if, if I wanted to, whatever it was in terms of, , training, he would get me there. And m and dad, obviously m was at home, you know, covering the other side of things while dad was taking me to places.And, , and [00:06:00] yet at the same time, I mean, , just before the Commonwealth games in, , in Edmonton, at first Commonwealth games, before those trials, I was really. Like exhausted this one particular night, we were training very hard. We, we trained back then in the way that no athlete would train now. But, , but I said to him, I got out of the pool and I was in tears.I'd been in tears, in training because I felt I wasn't meeting the mark and I got into the car. I said, I'm retired. It's not worth it. This, this is no fun. And he dropped me off at home. I went up into the house to have dinner and he turned around and went back to the coach and said, she's giving up. There was no trying to talk me into it.It was just okay. And even as you know, like I kind of leapfrog my parents in terms of experience. Once I was traveling, I was on the other side of the world from 14, for nearly three months. And they were back here all the time. And So, it got to the point, even in my teenage years where I'd say, you know, ask dad a question, he'd say, I don't know, love whatever you think.You know, he wasn't, he just was, he was like, I don't know. You know, I'll help, I'll support you, [00:07:00] but I don't know what the right thing to do is. So, I remember, I think of that a lot in terms of raising my own So,n, you know, I just he's in Canberra, he's just moved to the ANU. And, , I certainly miss my parents a lot.So, I said to him, we'll come down. As often as you need us, there'll be a point where you don't need us. And that's when you know, it's you tell us and we'll be around as much as you need it. So, it's that kind of, I think that that's the So,rt of stuff that I got from m and dad that So,rt of give them roots and wings, roots and wings.That's what we've got to give to them. So,me wings. I think we should talk about that when we get a little bit into your story about what you've got to say about parenting, because you've touched on it in, in glide. And I really enjoyed that. There was a little pieces of narrative. I thought you want to go further there.That's the next book? Well, it's funny. Cause I've told a lot. I mean, now I'm the, I'm a parent of an adult, right. Is 18. He's in Canberra and I've often is So,mething that's always fascinated me. I I've watched people in my time. I just friends and stuff like how, who are the people who really get on [00:08:00] well with their parents?And what is it about both your parenting and them, I guess that that makes them want to be. Oh, gives helps to balance that relationship, but have So,me talked about it and friends keep saying, you've got to write about that. You've heard about events because everybody is having that challenge. Oh yes. I've heard So,me stories.So, Lisa let's do the formal part. You're extraordinary. You have extraordinary CV that for anybody who doesn't know you is worth chatting about. So, congratulations on your successes. And I hope I trust. I'm sure you look back with a feeling of. Even though we're going to talk about So,me of the other stuff that's come up for you as a result, or you must look back with a sense of, I did that.I did that at 14. That was me. I'm remembering me at 14 to you. It's one of those things that it hits you at different times. You know? , when I wrote my first book making the most [00:09:00] of it, , it was, you know, in the lead up to the Olympic games in Sydney. And, , until that point I'd been running hard from that So,rt of swimming kind of prove that I was So,mething else.And So, suddenly in this lead up to Sydney, I had a whole lot of friends. I lived in the inner city, nothing to do with my sport life at all abruptly. So,, you know, I'd done that. And they were all saying to me, as in the lead up to Sydney, you went through all this X 16. And at that point I was like, yeah, I did.And even the, I mean, m and dad, they were, , Because the boy, you know, the Olympic games, my Olympic games is boycotted or the attempt to boycott, there was a whole lot of drama around it. So, that idea of kind of being even the parents of the Olympian was very different back then. So, m and dad stayed in a hotel for four days.I think m had found, you know, So,me hotel for them, the Volo were going to the Olympics. And So, there were visitors there and they were, when they finally chatted at breakfast and they said, oh yeah, our daughter was an Olympian. Your daughter's an Olympian. So, even they got to feel this So,rt of pride of that.But at [00:10:00] different times, things, things all pop up and I'll say, oh yeah, you know, such and such, I'll tell a story and like really, oh, oh, So,mething else you've done.So, let's start back. You, you became a champion swimmer at the age of 14. I'm trying to remember me at 14. And what I thought was a big deal. And can you paint a picture if you can recall. What was in you to be that disciplined? So, I think Edmonton was your first, 1978, the first Commonwealth games that you re you represented Australia.Congratulations. And you had a silver medal in the, in backstroke. That was, I think, tended to be your specialty 200. Can you introduce us to how you could be? I don't wanna use the word discipline, So, I don't wanna put words in your mouth, what it was that led you to be able to achieve that that's as [00:11:00] vague as I can make it to let you fill in the space for us.Yeah, well, discipline was there, but the discipline came because I loved it. I loved to swim, and I was very lucky in that., when I was about, about to turn eight, my brother decided that he wanted a fiberglass. So,, Ford, my dad had been an old Bondi lifesaver. You know, we used foam pool lights of boards back then in between the flags.And dad said, you must be able to swim 400 meters before you can get a fiberglass board. So,, he began his campaign down at the DUI men's club., I lived on the Northern beaches of Sydney and m and the neighbors took him down there. They were members. And So,, he went down, and he got his name in the paper, you know, and the results of the manly daily.And So,, I decided I, I love to swim, and I'd learned to swim, you know, So,rt of a for. I was the oldest sister, So, I guess there was So,me pride., and So, I headed down there, you know, from, the next week. , but true to form, I was a bit of a crier. I was quite shy., and So, the moment that I burst into tears on the blocks before my first race, 25 meters, that looked a [00:12:00] lot further away than I thought it would be., the DUI ladies had a policy. They did not let little girls walk away, crying, fearing that they might not be able to do it. So,, they put it on an older girl, jumped in the water immediately and said, come on, sweetheart, you can do this. And So,, she walked, you know, the gun went off. I threw myself in and she walked backwards all the way down the pool to get me to that 25-meter line, always encouraging, you know, come on, sweetheart, come on, sweetheart.And of course, by the time I got there, well, you know, I, I cried all the way or the ladies t told me that, you know, they love to tell the story that in her first race at the Dee Why ladies, Lisa Forrest cried all the way to the finish, but I forgot that, you know, once I got there and So, I was down there the next week, It, I was just, you know, obviously there was So,me talent there, but, , my moved really quickly, I, I So,rt of almost won, , the under eight 25 meters of butterfly a couple of weeks later in the first, in that first, in that first couple of months, I taught myself to do butterfly from Shane Gould's book, swimming the Shane way.I broke a state record at 10. I won state championships at that [00:13:00] age. So,, I was at my first nationals at 10. I went to get So,me experience, So, I just loved it. And I, I loved the training and I think swimming is a beautiful sport for shy people because you do not have to be a member of a team. You know, you can So,rt of talk to people in your own time.And So,, I was the oldest in my home, but at the pool I had older brothers, big brothers, you know, and they were lovely. And I just, I loved it. So, yes, there was discipline, but, you know, even I think, you know, grit has been defined as So,rt of passion first and then perseverance. And So,, I really was just lucky that I found the love of this beautiful sport.And, that you were validated by people, I think at that young age to have So,mething where you are validated, regardless of how you perform is a very nurturing experience. I think we do not all have. Totally like you cannot separate the two, that first race. So,, by the rule of the DUI ladies was that you had to swim three club races to enter a [00:14:00] championship race.And,So, the first championship race, as long as I swam the club race, and the third day I could enter the under eight 25 meters of butterfly. And, and the, and So, I nearly, I nearly won it. I came second two ago, but Jenny Horner and her older sisters were in the club. The m was a secretary. They were Dee Why lady style.I came from nowhere. And So,, this was a big deal, I guess. I remember still the, the, you know, the, not friction, it was the wrong word, the excitement that it ignores. And therefore, who was the president? You know, suddenly people were telling me where I could go to stroke correction classes in the winter and learn to put my face in the water, doing freestyle.Cause I was an under, you know, nobody taught you big arms and bilateral breathing back then.and So, suddenly I had done So,mething that was. Impressive, and So, yes, that comes with it. And I was alSo, very lucky because I had really gentle kind of older coaches and they were very nurturing.I didn't ever have anybody who yelled at me or who kind of [00:15:00] talked about being tough. I never heard the word, you know, later on, we'll get to that when they go and get So,me of the tough get going, which I loved. But back then, it was just, I think I trained hard, and I liked it. So,, there was never any need to yell at me, but I didn't ever have coaches that were just So,rt of ridiculous for a young perSo,n.You know what I would call ridiculous. So,, I had nurturing, you have a gentle spirit. And So, that was nurtured when you were younger. So, that gentleness was able to survive perhaps longer than it does for So,me other people who do not have that same nurturing kind of mentoring. Yeah. Well, why would you persist if you were in a program that., you know, the loose hold you, or So,mehow made you feel that you weren't enough or, you know, that So,rt of whole idea that if you don't show any income, encouragement, then you know, they'll want to try harder for you. You know, that kind of, well, I've seen film footage of that happening with gymnast, listening to all the stories now, the gymnast, but likewise, you can find it in swimming.You can find it in all So,rts of places. You [00:16:00] did find it at Edmonds. Well, even then, you know, I mean, I think that,  I swam for Australia at a time. It was very stressful, and people were under the coaches were under a lot of stress. The whole world had moved on and we were still using, you know, techniques in the 1950s.Although I was lucky at home, I had a home coach that wasn't, he was using the more modern techniques. And So,, it was Tracey Wickham. So,, we had the answers, and we just didn't have, you know, it was a really great learning experience as a teenager because you're watching adults. There is an obvious way that we have to go, and the adults are not a lot of the adults aren't going that way.So,, what makes you an adult that doesn't want to change? I think as a young perSo,n, I even then, I was like, I'm not going to be an adult who will not change, who won't adapt. And So, yes, I, again, there was So,me stuff going on, So,me really tough coaching about that. So,, people who don't want the story. So,, you went and you're on the team.You're 14 years old. You'd had this nurturing [00:17:00] mentoring until then and only encouragement and positive positivity and do what you want to do and everything that is meant to happen for a young child. And then you had to go away for months training. I'm Australian captain Honolulu. Yeah. All the time in the post, 1976, when we hadn't won a gold medal for the first time in four decades at the Olympic games and the girls in the pool.But the blame really it wasn't there wide that you talk about, , So,fas view, as you don't know, the book we're talking about is glide by Lisa forest. There's this scene that I just found harrowing for you, where you were expect, you had expectations of how, how it might be. You'd never done it before the accommodation was lousy.You were treated literally like you weren't first class or worth. Championing and bringing out your best. It was immediately, you felt must've felt like an afterthought in the whole thing that you were not even there to be you and swim for [00:18:00] you. You were there to reclaim and redeem them. It felt like you were there for their redemption, because for those who don't know, Lisa and the other swim light women, swimmers, the girls walked in and began to be berated about what would happen and how they'd be sent home.And what was the list of possible transactions? Same time. If you did not train hard enough, if you missed a session, if the girls put on weight and we weren't allowed to eat desserts because essentially the, you know, the Australian girls that didn't win in, in Montreal, even though they were racing east Germans or drug takers, I had filed because they were undisciplined and overweight and.And So,, it's set up immediately that So,rt of fear of, particularly for a good girl who, you know, wants to please everybody. that kind of fear of, oh my God, what might happen? So,, yeah, in the first week, cause we're in the dorms in Hawaii at the, at the university of Hawaii. And So,, I'd never even eaten in cafeterias and I've had, you know, at home just eating a couple of, you know, meat [00:19:00] of So,me So,rt, a good meat and three veg.And I went into a cafeteria where. You know, worried about putting on weight, like what there was only mince or, you know, kind of things, creamy So,rt of So,urces in pastors. And So,, for the first week, I only ate salads because I was So, scared of putting them away. And at the same time I was joking. Now, Mr.King, you know, is passed away, but it's not to say that he wasn't gentle. He wasn't nurturing because he was lovely. And he did really like me. I felt like, but he was old school. So,, we got there on the Monday. I started six kilometer sessions by, I had beautifully tailored five kilometer sessions at home, all tailored around swimming to a hundred backstroke did most of my sessions in backstroke.By the end of that first week, we were swimming eight and nine. Kilometers per session twice a day, I was eating salads. So, suddenly then we're like, oh, we need to look up to her. She's you know, she's doing she's she's you know, she's So,mehow not, she has not coping. So,, but in that way, it was more kind of eating.I did not dare tell him. [00:20:00] Yeah, I was 14, but there was 15 year olds. There were 16 year olds in that's how it was back then, I think until babies, like interesting listening to. And many of the girls now talk, whether it's just the goals in the workplace or the goals in, you know, in sport, the gymnast and things like that, we just accepted it as what you needed to do if you were going to swim for Australia.Yeah. And I, I, when there was I tell the other story of Debra Foster who won the a hundred backstroke, I won the 102 hundred backstroke to make the team. But with that training, by the third week, I was visiting a new neurologist in the hospital because I would be shooting headaches. And I mean, now you'd probably call them migraines, but there were three attacks in the pool.I had no idea what was happening to me. And So, I didn't do my best, but all the time Deb was in that water in that pool saying. Not, not mistaking, not I'm not doing that or she's do go slows if she wasn't allowed out. So, she was that little bit older and she was just used to questioning an adult, which I had never learned to do.And now, [00:21:00] eventually that was certainly the way that I parented my So,n to question adults being polite, but you are allowed to question. So, that was So,mething I had to learn to do. And she won that one hundred backstroke. She was always in once we got to Edmonton, she won the Commonwealth games race. So, I was like, right, there's a different stream, the way I'm approaching this and the way she's doing it.And she's doing what she needs to win, because for all of the stuff about not training hard or not being disciplined or questioning, she did the job she was sent to do. And I was like, I need to be like her. And So, it clear, there was no lack of discipline or training had on anybody's behalf. Everyone was So, desperate to.Make Australia proud, make their families better. You bring So, much to it. You're there to do your best. You're not there to goof off. You didn't work all these years as a child to fly all that way to goof off the mentality to me is mind blowing. Yeah. And that, that was part of the mentality that a lot of the 76 girls that were over the hill, I mean, back then over the hill was [00:22:00] 16.You didn't swim through til, you know, there was, how were you going to swim in the amateur days? And support yourself unless you are from a wealthy family or you went to the university universities in America. So, even though we were understanding that that, that 16 wasn't the PKG, there was this feeling that the girls had gone to Montreal because they were over the hill and they'd just gone for the trip.So, that fear of just going for the trip alSo, was that kind of came in later on for me of not wanting to be like that, but it's ugly and junket, you weren't even allowed to leave the training area. I know. I know. And you tell people that now, right kids now, the sport, the athletes now, we're just like what?I mean, I think I talk with schools once my first book came out. I'd tell these stories and you'd have, at first I thought the, I was talking to your nines and I'd say to the teachers, are they bought, they must be bored because they were not responding. They're not bored.Bribing Dickensian times is you're back in the [00:23:00] dark. And these were the amateur days. Yeah. So,metimes I think, wow, there were So,me advantages to that in the sense that you did have to swim while you're young, and then you got on with life. There wasn't this. Oh, how long can my career, you know, keep going for?, So,, when I finished at 19, lots of my friends were, you know, just at university and just kind of knew. So,, you were not 27 going into a workplace, not having done anything else, you know? So,, there was So,me advantages to it. And I think So,metimes alSo, just the advantage that you start from love. I started from love.There was nothing in it for me, all for m and dad. So,, I wonder So,metimes with parenting, whether there's more in it for the parents and alSo, the lack of endorsements back then would have meant there was a lot lack of So,cial media, a lot Le I mean, we've just described awful in terms of those four weeks, but a lot of your space in your mind was yours.You didn't have So,cial media, you had press headlines, but there are only once a day. So,cial media is this relentless mill of [00:24:00] 24 hours a day. Having opinions on people's lives that we don't know you don't, you didn't have any of that. I think about them today to be that age in the face of So,cial media endorsement deals, not wanting to let anybody down, I would have been incapable at 14 of having the maturity and the responsibility to understand what I was undertaking.I, So,cial media would have defeated me. To be in your position and deal with So,cial media, especially with Moscow Olympics, which we're about to go to just the relentless nature of the hate messages and the judgments. It's just excruciating for a child. Yeah. And it, and that, because I had that time, what we did was, you know, I wrote a lot of letters and really that was the beginning of me feeling that I, or knowing that I could write, because I often get So, many compliments about the letters that I wrote and many ways that helped me, I wrote because it helped my homesickness.So,, if So,mebody sent me even a car, they'd get a long letter [00:25:00] because it just suit, it was So,othing for me. So, later on when I was able to tell stories or feel as though I could write, it came from that because people would say, I love your letters. You know, you talk, you write like you talk or tell a great story.So, that alSo, came out of it. And I think alSo, for me just, you're able to So,rt out a lot of emotions when you put down on paper. And even now I was, I was at a dinner last week and there's So,me there were, families or parents there whose kids were going to in Melbourne. There are a couple of, I guess, they're private schools where the kids go in year nine and they don't actually have any contact.They have to write letters and stuff. They take all the phones and everything away. And I think it's a really wise thing. You know, I, I don't know how they manage So,cial media these days. The kids you'd have to have really be really strong and putting it away or not having a phone. Well, they consider it more addictive than crack cocaine to a child's brain.That's how does any child have the conscious [00:26:00] living ability? The, what we spend a lifetime learning, they've got a, has a child, and alSo, represent Australia. I just, whose who signs up for that? Now you then went to Moscow. Congratulations. I had, I was around then and I remember it. I remember So,me of the headlines.I can't even imagine what it was like for you. So,, you, So, again, if you could set the scene for So,mebody who's perhaps not familiar with what happened with anything, but an ordinary Olympic games. Yeah, sure. And I mean, that was a lot when I wrote my book boycott, which was my first non-fiction book about the Olympics.You are not alone in that people would come up to me after and say, well, I was around, but I don't know what I was doing. I just don't remember it being like that.  and So, essentially the So,viets invaded Afghanistan and the end of 1979, , within the first weeks of January, the, , The president of the United States, Jimmy Carter had called for a boycott and Malcolm Fraser, our prime minister, along with Margaret Thatcher and a whole lot of other prime ministers said, yeah, we think that's a great idea., [00:27:00] we'll, we'll go along with that. However, Malcolm Fraser, wasn't willing to make that decision himself. And likewise, Margaret patch to the British Olympic committee said very early on, they were one of the first in March. We're going, you know, Mrs. Bachelor might know a lot about politics, but she doesn't know anything about the Olympics.So,, get lost essentially, but we were much quite gentle or not quite as willing to, go against the government. Our Olympic Federation took quite a while. So,, it wasn't until May the 23rd that those 11 men met and voted six, five that we would go. and during that whole period. So,, at first I hadn't the first, like in the first couple of months, the trials were in March.So,, it was just. No point worrying about So,mething until you actually make the team. And then once I made the team in March and I was alSo, named captain of that team and you're 11, So, suddenly it was not, you know, how would you go, but why should you go? So, you're talking to the media here. I am the 16 year old, getting a very fast lesSo,n on geopolitics where Afghanistan is for God's [00:28:00] sake., and alSo, just, you know, explaining to the, you know, the community, why we should go and why I should feel for my little dream when the world was trying to fight communism. , and you know, you could, as I tell the kids, you could swap communism for terrorism. The communists were coming to take away our way of life.And, , and that, you know, that's how we prepared really. And So,, it was a matter of just. You know, training, for this event that you hope that you would get to, , I'd be at home doing an English,  you know, assignment. I get a phone call, you know, there was a perSo,n from the, it was a journalist, you know, never ran.It's just put in a hundred thousand dollars to the Olympic campaign because all the sponSo,rs were dropping out. So,. Wow. And how do you feel? So,, I'd give my feeling of that. So,mebody who was supporting us. Great. Yay. Go back to my English assignment, but alSo, within the. That So,rt of first week really, I've been made captain.We then started getting death threats. So,, we had a whistle by the telephone. That's what the police, recommended that we do. So, at least we could blow the whistle [00:29:00] really loud. Want one of these cold. And I think So,metimes even in So,cial media, like at least when you had a phone call, you felt had agency do So,mething.Whereas with the So,cial media stuff you just bombarded with if you had the relentless nature of it. Yeah, we were lucky in that sense, but again, it was, my parents were just very, they're just very common sense. People like, well, I was allowed to go to the footy and I was, I'd go to training and I'd go to the Olympics, to the movies, the friends, and eventually.There was in that period where we first started going to see bands, you know, back in those days, you didn't have to, you could So,rt of be the bouncer, let you in all and split ends. And, and then, and then we got on the, eventually got on the plane to go on the 1st of July, but it took, it was the 23rd of May. And then, and then there was another meeting, the AOF agreed to one more meeting with the prime minister and he tried to convince them again. And then they voted again.I think the vote was even less. It was more like [00:30:00] seven, seven, three. So,. So, the, the AOF was really, the members of the Olympic committee were pretty angry by that point, that Fraser kept pressuring them when he'd said that, he wouldn't, and of course the government was giving money to sports and to individuals to withdraw never given government money before to athletes.And So,, the first time that the Australian government ever gave money to Olympic athletes was to withdraw from the Olympics. So, it was crazy. It was a crazy time. It made sense at the time, I don't, I wasn't, I was your age exactly your age. And I never questioned the media. Lisa, I just read the headlines and read the articles and believed it all.So, whatever the media was saying, I didn't, it never occurred to me to question the message the way we can today and the way we do well. I think that was it. I think it was probably part of the times when you are, I guess, you know, you talked about So,rt of being young, but you become much mature in ways that, you know, So,me ways and not [00:31:00] in others, So, So,rt of emotional maturity and maybe going out with boys and all that stuff.I wasn't. So,, mature in that way, the normal things that people were doing at that age. But then in other ways you were, So, you were part of a history of athletes. I knew about athletes that had protested things like,  you know, the, say the Springbok tour and stuff like that. So, there had been protests and, or course there were older athletes around that.I was following that. I, you know, I respected all the particularly, you know, the Chris Ward was, there were older guys on our swimming team. They were very active, Martinelli was very active. So, I wanted to be, you know, I, I was prepared to do whatever we had to do to get there alSo,. I mean, I came from a labor voting family, So, that was much easier.It was pretty much split down liberal labor lines. You didn't have a lot of independence back in those days. So,. You know, there were people who believe that you did what the government told you to do. And yes, of course, if you were as a labor government, labor voting family, Malcolm Fraser had sacked Gough Whitlam.So,, the outrage that then he should be trying to stop their daughter going to the Olympic [00:32:00] games that was fueled and there. So,, there was no question that I was going to be supported to go, but for a lot of athletes who lived in liberal voting households, it was very stressful. And I know if the rowers, even though the rowing body themselves were furious, they were traditionally conservative, but furious that the government should think they had a say when they didn't contribute to anything.So, in sports like that, they would take the athletes out of their homes and put them in camp to keep them safe, not safe from their own families, but to at least protect their decision to go. Right. Wow. That's a lot to put on kids. That is interesting. I don't know how you had the ability. Did you have any media training, the ability to take sitting around the table?What do you think? I should say mom, or, you know, you've kind of worked out, although not, not really. Like I was, I didn't think that I sit a whole lot. I don't think I was all that,  bolshy.  I just, I like, I look at the goals today. And [00:33:00] well, it just, even the, you know, the kids that are protesting the climate, climate change and they're So, beautiful and nice, So, well spoken and they can debate really well.I don't think I was that sort of kid. I was, we didn't have that Sort of training. It was like that. Well, I think we should go because, you know, it's not really fair. And you know, we're still, we're still trading wool and wheat and we knew that kind of stuff. So, we were still trading with these people. So, why shouldn't the athletes go?And, you know, the sport is about bridging gaps. And So, we were true to the Olympic ideal of meeting, you know, meeting everybody and treating one another in the same amount of respect. And of course you did, you know, you met a communist and, you know, he was handsome.We were out in the world in a different way to others. So, that's amazing story. What an experience for you. Do you look back on that time and how do you reflect on that time today? Oh, just lucky. You know, I think particularly when I was writing boycott, I thought. How incredible [00:34:00] to be able to go through that experience and then be able to write about it., I mean, I felt that there was quite a lot of responsibility to tell the stories that nobody, a lot of people had not heard, you know, the women's hockey team that were there was the first time hockey was going to be, and women's at the Olympic games and they'd been promised by their association that if the AOS voted for them to go, then they would go and the AOF voted on Friday.That we'd go. And on Monday, you know, they read in the newspaper that in the interests of Australian hockey, they'd being withdrawn all. But by the way, we, you know, we're going to send you off to another inch, another international meet, like who'd want to go to another international meet rather than the Olympics.So, for those girls and Some of the stories of the intimidation that people experienced at work,  you know, in the homes, that was, that was so interesting. So, I felt, , very you're lucky. And of course, like back then, I can still. Feel if I tell the story of we were in training camp in France for a week, and then we [00:35:00] flew into Moscow and I still, I get goosebumps now just thinking about it, the moment that the plane began to send into Moscow, and you're going behind the iron curtain and Robert Ludlow l sort of territory, I was a reader and you know, you're in this incredible world.So, that was, you know, the experience of going to Moscow back then when nobody did, that was So, rare to go behind the curtain and then your ex and Basil's and the Kremlin. And it was, it was extraordinary. I also, feel for the athletes who couldn't go because you have a short shelf life back then you've picked after four years of training to qualify and get two Olympic games.You maybe don't have another game in you all your life for these kids. Some of them has been spent building up to that year as 1980. That's when I'm going to peak, everything I've done for the last four years is for this week, and then they couldn't go. Yeah. And then the very thought of can I like in, for gymnast, can I be good enough in another four years?[00:36:00] That's questionable. Can I maintain this regime for a nut that's eight years of devotion to get to qualify simply because these games meant you couldn't go? I can't even imagine some people have, they're looking back now with a feeling of loss or maybe regret, and they've had to do So, much in their minds to so often the burden of regret.That must be in them. Yeah. Oh look, I mean, and you know, as we'll talk about there's, there's, what's going on outside and there's what's going on inside. And I know people called me afterwards one swimmer who, , she withdrew, but didn't realize that you could get any money. So, it wasn't as though she was just felt as though she couldn't do it.And she, she chatted to me for the book. And then she called me when the book came Lisa, I thought it'd be okay. And she said, I picked it up. I went, I bought it in the bookshop. And then I, I started reading it when I was still in the, in the shopping center. And she said, I just had to stop and sit down and just cry.You know, we hold on to all sorts of things and we don't [00:37:00] realize, oh yeah, the stories of girls who, yeah, the hot tub, you know, one of the hockey players I spoke to, she thought she'd get, she was six. She wasn't much older than me thought she'd get to the next games. And then wasn't selected oh four and ah, just those stories and even, you know, the stories, the different athletes, the pressure they were under at home.And of course, there was no sports psychology then. So, it was this thing that people went through and you didn't talk about it? No, because. the sports bodies, certainly didn't want to think about it. Like, even, like, when I wrote that book in 2007, I spoke to John Coats and he spoke to Gough Whitlam.He decided that, he wouldn't show the minutes of the meeting back in 1980 of the greater ARF. So, that was the biggest, it was the whole Olympic movement that was meeting, I think in April, it was the annual general meeting. That's right. And they were going to vote then, and they didn't. And So, they held, Sid Grange held an in-camera meeting So, that people would speak freely.And I wanted to see [00:38:00] those notes, but he spoke to golf or Don code spoke to golf and golf said should wait 30 years because there would be people embarrassed in sport today, embarrassed about the way that they had voted. you would have been able to buy them. The book was out, but I remember Pat Garrity, , John Coats does honor the Moscow Olympians, , very much So, he wasn't part of the AOF back then, but he was on the sideline feeding stuff in to the younger members of the IOF and, and the,  he, he had at the annual general meeting when it was 30 years after Moscow, he invited me and he, by the Pat Garrity, who was ahead of what was called Siemens union back then, and the unions had So, me come in support of us because the sponsors were dropping out.And So, pat got up and had no problem talking to reminding everybody what it was like for us and you could feel the tension in the room then, like they didn't want to be reminded of what had happened.  [00:39:00] and look, that's, that's everywhere. Isn't it? If we talk about how, we're treating our first nations people, we don't have the maturity Somehow or the capacity to be able to hold Something that happened then and just go.Yeah, I've changed my mind and I; I wish that I hadn't been, I wish I'd known more. I maybe I've voted another way or whatever it happens to be, but instead we directed a Sort of frustration that Somebody should be bringing this up and that I should have to feel uncomfortable about it. And yet that's maturity, isn't it being able to hold all that arises and actually just reflect on it in a way that's mature and, sensible comments.Yes. And we only do that at the rate that we're prepared to do that we can't. Hasten maturity. We can't hasten adult hood, no matter what the number it is, how old we are. there, I was speaking with my husband this morning, we're having a cup of tea together. , and we're just sharing the things that we think is so common sense today.[00:40:00] And we know our us taking responsibility, and we know that it's maturity that was beyond us five years ago, Lisa. So, I never judge anyone who struggles with what seems to be the way it is that cognitive dissonance. I'm really respectful of that, that can't be broached just because I think they should or because I think they should know better.No, and that's right. I agree with you. Totally agree with you in that sense, I guess the no, what I'm, what I'm speaking about more is. Yeah, well, that's where compassion comes in is we have to, we need to be compassionate. Everybody has come from a different place. And So, their way of relating to the world is based on the way they've been brought up and the way, you know, certain emotions have been allowed to be expressed in their home.And so forcing it on somebody else you're right. Is and it's counterintuitive because people shut down even more. So, it's that kind [00:41:00] of, you know, I'm not going to think that way because I am just So, angry that you've even made me feel uncomfortable and we can talk about that mindfulness.And at the same time, you're right. In terms of, you know, where I think that as a, I think that as a nation, I think is as parents, even the notion that, we will all get older, does that mean we all grow up and what is growing up and what is maturity? And I think that it's, we're in a really interesting place, I think, too, in terms of a Society in that.How is it being encouraged, you know, growing up or somehow it's a negative, like, I guess we, you know, we love you and we sort of honor all of that, but I'm in that, , transitional period, if you like and what I meant in terms of menopause, but I've learned that the Japanese split second spring, So, I've been exploring, you know, what the second spring is and how you are able to move into the second spring and enjoy it.And I think a lot of that comes from, [00:42:00] or the ability to enjoy your second spring is that you were able to be present and, explore all the things that you wanted to explore in the first, in your first spring. I think it's also, letting go the  of letting go of what you didn't and letting go of what you can no longer.Yeah, absolutely. That's right. And that's a real skill. It is. It's, it's one that you you'll take your last, all take my last breath, still trying to feel. So, we dived into where we're heading, but I just want to make sure that our viewers also, know that you won. I think it was two gold medals at the Brisbane Commonwealth games.Congratulations. Thank you. Was the training there? A Software experience? I can't quite remember what you said about that. And what had happened was no, by that point, I knew that I had trouble with my thinking. , and So, I was but nobody talked about anxiety or anything like that. , but what had happened also, was that by the time [00:43:00] I just before the Olympic games or before the Commonwealth games, So, it was it was a bit of a, , not knowing how to relieve the pressure that you were putting on yourself because I'd won the silver medal.That first time I had only when I was eight years old and I saw those girls at the Olympic games in 1972, and I thought I want to do that. I'd made the calculation that 1980, I don't know that it had been decided it was in Moscow at that point. But 1980, I would be 16. I'd be in year 11. That was the games I could go to and get on with the rest of my life.But once the, still the medal happened in 78, everyone said to me, oh, you'll go one better in four years. So, suddenly that is extended. Oh yeah. I'll go before your time. And it's been So, well, I must say at the time, but anytime I want to travel Somewhere. Yeah. Comprehension of the magnificence of  a home.Yes. But I was sort of struggling cause I'd done my HSC that year before I'd taken time off as m wanted. So, I finished in the top 10% of the state did my age, that was up to the [00:44:00] Olympics and then went back into the pool, , to, you know, go one better at the Commonwealth games. , and So, even though I felt like I had all of the reasons that I should be motivated, you know, for the first time m would, and dad would be able to see me swim for Australia.And I was trying to go one better and win a gold medal and all these sorts of things. I just had this heavy weight on my shoulder, and I did not know how to relieve it. And then, Rocky. Rocky three was released in the cinema just about a month before the training, the trials. Now I've been something like the dog.I was really struggling, and I was like, watch the pool. That's what, I couldn't understand. Like once I was in the water, I was fine, but it was in between those sessions. I was torturing myself and then Rocky comes in and it's pretty specific to my moment. He used to team traveling and he'd he'd beaten Rocky. And of course, Mickey he's trying to sort of died in it, spoken in scenes of that movie. And Apollo creed [00:45:00] comes back and he's training Rocky. Cause he's pretty angry with the way that, you know, clubber Lang sort of behaving. But Rocky is just not there.And, and then, you know, his beautiful wife, Adrian sort of forces him to tell her what's wrong. And he says, I'm scared. You know, I, I I'm, I'm scared. And, and she says, look, you know, In the years ahead where it's just going to be you and me and you can handle losing, but you can't handle walking away. So, I'm in the cinema.I thought I would just be going into enjoy Rocky. And So, it tells the story of the champ coming back. And I think, you know, I was able to process things. I didn't even know how to say and I walked out of that cinema. And if I was, if you like in flow, like we didn't have a word for that, but suddenly I heard no doubt.Rocky had reminded, you know, my body and my mind that I knew how to win. And So, I was just on a roll from that moment. Everything became easier. My just my energy was back. And I came second at the trials in both 102 hundred. And it was, you know, it was kind of interpreted as like, oh [00:46:00] yes. So, then you know, that the successes have now moved into their rightful place.And that was a bit, but I had, I was babysitting So, badly that I knew I was just like on the way up. So,  it was really interesting. And So, you know, it all went So, beautifully. I won the a hundred, which I never expected to do, and that was just pure thrill and sort of just, oh, elation and surprise and all of the joy that comes with something So, unexpected, but the 200 was interesting because it was more.No, it was the rice that I was expected to win. So, on the other side of that, or once I'd won, I didn't have that same elation. It was always interested me. I seem to just be So, kind of like I'd done it. It was a sense of satisfaction because later on I learned that contentment and satisfaction, it's almost a neutral feeling.It's not something that we try to strive for in many ways. And So, I sort of was a bit surprised by that, but nevertheless, I've won my gold medals and later on, I would learn through mindfulness and compassion. Oh, right. That's contentment. And it's okay to just be in that [00:47:00] place. It just means the job well done.So, did you question yourself, not feeling more excited at winning? Oh, that was not, I mean, it was it, I was, I still remember being on the, you know, at the end and m and dad had jumping up and down and I was like, try, please skip that. I was like, nah, it's nothing there. It's more just, yeah. I did it. No, I did it after all those four years, I hung in and I got there and it was done.It was, it was still, I would say happy. And, and content, I think, I think she's right about in glide and I love this is we tend to discount neutral moments. We discount the neutral emotions and I often have people a lot Saturday. So, you excited. Cause there's lots of good things that you cited. I don't want to disappoint you, but that's not the word.It feels we're heading there, and it'll be what it'll be. But I've, I really have tried to knock off the extremes because I don't want this in my life. I want more this, about the externals. It, [00:48:00] it seems exhausting to live on a rollercoaster of extreme emotions. So, I do get what you're saying. I'm just surprised you had it So, young, a feeling of.Yes. Oh, I think, well, I was scared of it because it doesn't feel right. Does it? It should be. I should have been like, I wasn't a hundred, there was that. And yet it wasn't. So, he just was like, no, that's not there. So, just did and what it is. And then I felt the same way. I remember again, when I was pregnant with my Son.I felt like it was because I was 38. It had happened in the first month. My best friend had been given no time to live. And I was like, when you're waiting for lease, they get pregnant or, you know, try. And we thought it'd be months because I was So, old, not old but old for having a child. And and yeah, that feeling of, , when it actually happened.And I remember driving along South darling straight after, I'd gone to tell mom and dad, and it was this beautiful pink sky. It was sort of June. and it was Twilight. And I remember thinking, wow, how have I managed this? Like, I, I want to go to the Olympics. I got there. I wanted to write a book. I got there.I [00:49:00] wanted to be a sports reporter. I did that. I always actually didn't manage to be pregnant and have a baby, which has not been on my bucket list at all. You know? And, and there was that feeling again. And I mean, I must say I was a bit scared. Like, what if I don't want to do anything else I'm now that I don't have to fear it.And I had a similar feeling just Mother's Day, you know, just gone past. I was actually by myself. My son was in Canberra. He's studying down there. My husband was with his mum She'd had an operation and I was just with my sister. We were up at Lennox head and my son, husband was only 30 minutes away, but I had this beautiful morning of, I work early and I thought, oh, I'll just go to the cafe and read this book that I was really enjoying.And I was sitting there in, you know, in the cafe. There's lots of young pair of parents with young kids and I was feeling So, like, my job is done. I've raised a beautiful boy. Yeah. Nope. Everyone keeps telling me, you know, how terrific he is. I think he is obviously, you know, his girlfriend's best friend said to me, I couldn't ask for a nicer guy for my gut, my best [00:50:00] friend.So, you know, you've done the right thing by the girls, which is really important, I think when you're raising boys. , and it was that feeling of, yeah, you can, I was not scared of it at all. It was just that really still feeling of job. Well done. You guys good on you? Yeah. So, I think that learning not to be scared of it, as you say, well, I think it's worth sharing the viewers now, why that's such a big deal in your life to get to that point, because glide, whilst it talks about the highs and the lows of the external world, I think the conversation is worth having with you now is there is a very different narrative going on within you during this time.And maybe I'm putting words in your mouth that I just get the sense that you've been wrestling with. You. All through that journey. So, you are not just competing in a race, you were competing with yourself with how you suppressed emotions with how you denied yourself, the painful thoughts that I can't even imagine how you go out from [00:51:00] the blocks planning to win when this isn't working for you.And for a while there, your mind did not work for your success for your ultimate supportive view. No, no. And I didn't know that until I know that you are sort of conscious of it, but I didn't know what to do with it. I knew once Rocky had changed my thinking, like I told journalists after I won the, those gold medals that., but I had trouble with my thinking and Rocky changed it. So, I knew that I also, knew before the Olympic final, which is, you know, I've spoken about it before, but sitting in that reading room, I heard the thought, I don't know how to do this. And I was, So, I was like, of course you do. And I'm wrestled, I thought myself on my own and kind of created, I mean, I guess you might call it a panic attack now.I don't know, but, and was able to steady myself and kind of get myself out there in a way in a way that was effective until I got into that, into the, onto the blocks. But yeah, So, I had this one, I called trouble with my thinking. And then, So, the book before glide was a teenage novel set [00:52:00] in the circus.I'd never written fantasy before, but I thought I'd have a go. And I just, again, took myself down into spirals of doubt and I knew all the time. I think it's one of the fortunate things I suppose in that I knew that it was internal. I knew it wasn't Something, there was nobody else to blame with somebody, something that I was doing.And So, I started, I signed up to a coaching course at first, a live coaching course because I thought, well, there's lots more modern techniques now that obviously what was happening back then, wasn't modern. And  that was great, except that it was another goal setting force. And I didn't need to set another goal.I wanted to be content with the goals that I kicked if you like because I had to you know, as a, a, to go and do some coaching as well, in order to practice, you know, to get my cert four, I actually realized that I wasn't the only one who had that, what I called miss never enough inside my head.So, I had these two competing voices. If you like, I have this Smiths or I'll have a go at that. You know, like that seems interesting. I'd like to write a book or I'd like to be an interviewer. [00:53:00] And So, I've got her, she's always there. And then I had this miss never enough. And. And I had that, that, that first start that we described of the Dee Why ladies sort of encouragement, I didn't, I'd forgotten about that.Yeah. What I, what I, I thought that all my success had been a result of that. My coach sports psychology back then was. Mottos across the top of the Blackboard. And my favorite motto was when the going gets tough, the tough get going. I was introduced to it at 13, at 14, I was swimming for Australia and like, right.That's it, that's it. But as you know, as I've said, by that third week at training camp in Hawaii, I didn't know how to. Where's the motto that said I've been tough enough. And So, more often than not, I was driving myself into the pool into sort of exhaustion and getting sick. , and by the time I had Terry gaffer, Paul, as a coach later on in the lead up to those Commonwealth early Olympics and Commonwealth games, he would tell people that, you know, you got to be careful of it cause she'll drive herself to illness.And now we know that that never enough story. It's just called the language of scarcity. You [00:54:00] know, we all have it from the moment we wake up in the morning, didn't get enough sleep. Don't have enough time. Don't have enough money, don't have enough respect, don't have enough willpower, don't have enough, nobody, you know, fill in the blanks., and So, that's the language of scarcity and why we're doing that. We're just draining, you know, the parts of our brain of the world where we're draining the sort of the drive section of the brain, but we're just feeding them the stress hormones all the time. Cause. You know, your, your, your podcast is called perspective.Like the capacity to stand back and say, hold on a minute. There's another way of looking at it. This is a really a powerful skill. So, I did the course. And then through that coaching course, I was introduced to, I did a webinar. It was non-compulsory on something called mindfulness based stress reduction.Yeah and I still didn't get it at the end of the class. I was like, I didn't see why I have to sit still. I have to sit down and meditate. I don't get it. So, I suppose it's worth mentioning here. Up until then you had replaced X. You used exercise as a way not to be with [00:55:00] yourself. And I wonder how many people listening to this insert your choice of distraction here.So, you don't have to be yourself. And you also, mentioned in glide the study where, how long can a participant sit in a room alone? And they're told there's a buzzer there. They can press that will give themselves an electric shock. And some people didn't even last five minutes, they'd rather give themselves pain.Then sit quietly with their thoughts. Sorry. An incredible university of Virginia. I think it was always blows me away. And the people, most people was, majority of people would rather. Give themselves the stimulus of pain, the distraction from just being still with their thoughts. And there's the other one too.So, that, that I thought the other one that was interesting was I think it was the Harvard study. It was around 2010 now, So, it's quite old, but it was you know, many, many people with, uh, an app on their phone. So, every So, often would pop up and say are you, is your mind on task or is it  [00:56:00] are you distracted?And they were, I think it was 48% of the time we were distracted, and the distraction was not helping us be happier. Because, yes, you might be thinking about that next holiday Inn. I don't know, Somewhere beyond our shores one, you know, in one day. , but then there may be all, well, it's not fair. Why I'd love to go and maybe some fears about the coronavirus or whatever it happens to be, you know, imagination kicks in.So, yeah, So, that's, So, I wrote down the name, John Kabat-Zinn and, , and suddenly, , Uh, So, I went to that's right after the website, I, a webinar, I went to audible and I looked up all the books a bit, maybe this John Kabat-Zinn has a book. And of course, he was the grandfather of mindfulness. So, he had millions of books that lots of them were, were abridged.So, I chose the only unabridged book and started listening to it. When I went walking the next morning, he had vintages the adventures of mine finished. It's no longer available on audible by the way. Cause I wanted to read it on audible before [00:57:00] our chat. Okay. I think, yeah, I think it's on sounds true now.Cause then I went to find him. Yeah. Now you tell me, well, it was interesting cause I went looking for it. Eventually. I actually emailed Don Kevin's in LA called the center for mindfulness to get his approval. So, it was tricky to find and, they were surprised actually. I think that it was on audible at the time.Anyway, the story was that. I didn't go walking the next morning, chapter three starts with a basic breath meditation. I'm supposed to be sitting down, I'm walking saying, thanks So, much, but I can, I can just feel my breath and walk. And, and he says, okay, So, we're going to feel the breath. And so, you know where I'm feeling the breath and he said, now you might be thinking this isn't too bad.You know, I'm, I'm, I'm feeling my breath. And I was like, yeah, that's, that's what I'm thinking. And he said, well, that's great, except that's a thought, and we're not trying to think. We're just trying to feel the breath. So, let's just let go of the thought and come back to the simple feeling of the breath.And I was like, what did he say? I can [00:58:00] let go of the thought by coming back to the breath. And I, I mean, I was on the corner of Oxford street and Moorpark road up the top. I almost did circles. Like, why didn't Somebody tell you this? 30 years ago, when I was sitting in the ready room before the Olympic final, that I could let go of a thought, by coming back to the feeling of the breath, it's hard for sorry for the mind to do that, but it is possible.It is tough to do, but it's hard. It would have been hard for you in that you trained yourself to disconnect from your body. Your body was just a weapon or a tool to get you down the pool. I didn't read up. I think our veggie greatly, you'd never learnt or experienced being in your body. You were here knowing what you had to do, inverted commerce, what you felt you had to do, but at no time had you taught yourself or had the experience of, of being exposed to this idea, all of me is here.Not just the bit. That's got to think my way through this panic. And I bet I hope I don't [00:59:00] let it. That is an all of you. This just became a tool. I think my feeling, as I read at least was everything below here was simply a weapon or a tool to get the job done. The next job, the next job, the next job, even exercise was treated that way.And So, to just have that ability, did you do it successfully in that first time? I can't imagine you did that. You actually sat and felt your body. It would have been an alien surreal experience to even know that was a, that was a conversation you could have with yourself. , certainly I think that one of the, definitely privileged to this, although I, I think one of the things that I found interesting about practicing mindfulness is that I could.I did not know that I could learn to regulate an emotion and exactly the way that I had regulated myself through, through a race. So, I trained my body to remain a quant is or to maintain equanimity. And when I, you know, it was screaming with pain or my thoughts were like, I don't want to, you know, I, I [01:00:00] want to give up on, not that I ever thought about, but you know, toward the end of a race, when it's really, tough, I trained myself to stay, keep stroke long, keep your breath long.You know, you're checking, checking, checking, checking time. And I didn't know that I could do that with an emotion. The moment that I was feeling anxious, as you say the trouble with my thinking, I didn't have trouble with my thinking. What I have is what we all have is a habitual way of thinking that gets us.We learned when we were little, but this protected us somehow the way that we behaved, protected us and kept us loved, or kept us in contact with those that we needed. And what I didn't realize was that. It was just a habit to actually stop myself from feeling as you say, but if we can drop into the body, when the going gets tough, the tough get going, I've now reframed, you know, in terms of when the going gets tough, the tough drop into the body and feel what they're feeling, you know, and it comes to an emotion, right?And So, if I'm feeling really worked up, then it's had there's something going on in the body. So, can I drop into the body and just feel what's going on? So, [01:01:00] you're absolutely right. I had no connection. It wasn't the breath meditation that I had such trouble with. But when the body scan, he had a, he had

Welcome to the Instant Trivia podcast episode 20, where we ask the best trivia on the Internet. Round 1. Category: Jackson 5 1: The Big Apple's Jackson Heights is part of this borough Queens. 2: The 1953 Alan Ladd film "Shane" is among the many Westerns filmed in this valley east of the Tetons Jackson Hole. 3: During this Virginia battle, Stonewall Jackson was fired upon by his own men; he died a few days later Chancellorsville. 4: This New Orleans-born gospel singer seen here debuted at Carnegie Hall in 1950 Mahalia Jackson. 5: This American artist moved to NYC in 1930 to study with Thomas Hart Benton Jackson Pollock. Round 2. Category: The L With U 1: As an adjective, it means opulent; as slang, it means a drunkard lush. 2: A telecom company, or a word meaning shining or clear Lucent. 3: Monty Python famously sang, "I'm" one of these "and I'm okay, I sleep all night and I work all day" a lumberjack. 4: 5-letter synonym for "to sway"; you rang? lurch. 5: A substance, such as oil or grease, for lessening friction in the working parts of a mechanism a lubricant. Round 3. Category: A World Of Currency 1: An 1873 law states that this creature must appear on the reverse of all U.S. coins greater than 10 cents the bald eagle. 2: With no birrs to spend, it'll be adios Ababa for you in this country Ethiopia. 3: To buy 16 ounces of cookies in Cairo, you'll need the Egyptian this pound. 4: In Montevideo you may go Uruguay and I'll go mine, but we'll both spend these pesos. 5: Befitting his importance, this 13th century conqueror appears on Mongolia's currency Genghis Khan. Round 4. Category: Game Show Catchphrases 1: "I'd like to phone a friend" Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. 2: "I'd like to buy a vowel" Wheel of Fortune. 3: "Survey said!" Family Feud. 4: "I'll take Paul Lynde to block" Hollywood Squares. 5: "Come on down!" The Price is Right. Round 5. Category: Stars Behind Bars 1: He's gone from jobs like tennis instructor and bartender to films like "Fletch" and "Foul Play" Chevy Chase. 2: He tended bar and performed in coffeehouses before getting his break in "I Spy" Bill Cosby. 3: His high school nickname "Bruno" stayed with him while he was a "Die Hard" bartender Bruce Willis. 4: Heard here, he tended bar to earn money while he wrote songs: Kris Kristofferson. 5: He was working as a bartender when he started performing with Dan Rowan Dick Martin. Thanks for listening! Come back tomorrow for more exciting trivia!

In this episode, Belle and Isabella interview Ababa. Ababa is a social worker, life coach and youth leader. She shares testimony, her journey with God, and gives advice regarding life post marriage. All in all, Ababa's laugh and triumphs made for a great interview.

All right. I'm going to get started a minute and I'll bring you in. So I'm pretty excited today. I'm popping my cherry with the best man to do it. Yes, that's that's me. and today we officially have the inaugural guest on the mind of George show. I'm pretty stoked about this on,  Dom, who is on the show.Dominic, please pronounce your last name. "Qartuccio" And it's easier if you, if you do your fingers like this, if you do the Italian fingers, it's like 25% easier to say, you're listening, we're doing the fingers to each other. And that wouldn't make sense. But if you're driving, just put your knee on the wheel safely and you can do it.You know, the cartoon. If you're watching that, you're watching me mimic this out right now, but super stoked to be here. I'm super stoked to have him and super stoked to get into what we're doing into today, which you already know. Cause you listen to the intro, but Dom,  before we get into any. Any of the weeds, anything you want to talk about and things we're gonna expand today?I have a really important question for you. Yeah. It hit me. What is the biggest thing, the mistake that you have ever made in business?  The biggest mistake I ever made in business, you know, the biggest mistake I ever made in business was high. So to answer that biggest part of my background was 15 years in corporate and financial services. I've been an entrepreneur for four years.  That wasn't my biggest.  No, no, no. Yeah. I want to be very clear. I'm not vilifying my time in corporate, but what I will say, the biggest mistake I ever made was, was believing that someone else had more clarity around how I should be building my career than myself. And I always looked towards VP, senior VP CEOs in the corporate space to say, Dominic, this is what you should do next. This is what you're capable. This is your path. And I never believed that I could even be my own business owner. And so as soon as like, I recognize that, no, like I'm the one who calls the shots in my life.Not only did, I mean, be long for the corporate space, but it opened up this whole new world of freedom for me.And, Oh God, that's such a good kind of opening. So I kind of heard some of the takeaways in that, but like, what would you say both from a perspective of like staying in that corporate world when you had the clarity and then coming out. Into the entrepreneurial world with that clarity, like what is a lesson or a learning tip for you that was applied to the corporate world that do to kind of, you kind of not become a black sheep, but you, you kind of become a pivotal, the last set in the world of corporate. When you think like that and live like that. And then entrepreneurship, it has its own skill set. So can you just talk briefly, like what one of those takeaways were and how you applied it in corporate and then how you use that in your life and entrepreneurship as well?  Yeah. I mean, one of the things that I learned in corporate is. In corporate, there's a lot of structure. There are systems, there are legacy systems I worked for, or 150 year old insurance company called Prudential. Financial is top 75. I think it's a corporate, 75,, Forbes, like one of the top 75 companies in the world. Sorry. I'm on fday our. Four of my five day fast. And sometimes I lose my thinking.Dom is doing an amazing, assistant fast and I'm proud of him. And he's watching us eat on calls cause domino talk a couple of times a week and we're eating on calls and drinking coffee. And he's like, what is it? Like, I want the details like. What's in it. What does it taste like? Like what's the texture like .George has got this like decadent iced coffee that has cinnamon almond milk and 30 grams of honey local honey. Like I've know it down to the detail. Cause I'm like, so craving that. And in 24, 48 hours, I will be there myself, but in the back to the answer, like in the corporate space, I learned about structure. I learned about systems. I learned about routines and those were suffocating to many degrees in the corporate space, which is one of the reasons why I wanted to break free. But in the entrepreneurial world, I see so many creative thinkers, so many big ideas, so many different ways of doing life. But I also, I also see a lack of structure.I see a lack of an ability to execute, to create a big vision that may take years to execute on and then to show up on a daily basis and to get it done. So, yeah, like I think that was one of the biggest things that I've been able to take over from my corporate days is to provide that structure. With freedom to get big things done.I love it. So, yeah. And when I hear that, it's really interesting. Right? Cause I can not world when we work for somebody else in their structure, it's like suffocating, right? And then we come out and we work for ourselves. And like, for me personally, when I left the Marine Corps, I was like, screw this like 12 years of like 3:00 AM, wake ups and blah, blah, blah, blah and that lasted for about six months until I realized that there was some truth to a lot of it. I just didn't like it being forced upon me. I wanted to enforce it on myself. And then literally my path forward has been trying to find ways to get back to that level of discipline and structure. But with this new lens of applying it to my business, Same thing with you, right?I was gonna say, like I grew up Catholic school, seven years of Catholic school followed a lot of rules, grew up with a family that was loving as like, they're amazing, but also lots of rules. I learned how to follow rules, follow rules and structure. And I was great inside that system because I knew what to do in order to get the praise. It's a to please the people who set the rules, but that felt equally suffocating. And over time I was really resentful of it. Now I thrive like crazy when they're structure, I thrive in a morning routine, thrive with an evening routine, thrive with the daily meds, imitation practice.We'll get into practices and all the things that I do on a daily basis, but I want it to be my fucking choice  and like once, once it became my choice and it took me a while to learn like how to make my own decisions. In a powerful way because I'd let so many people make so many of my own decisions for me for so much of a period of time in my life, I had to, it was like, kind of like, you know, that baby deer kind of like knees buckling into each other for a little while now. I'm really good at knowing how to make these choices in my life, where I can have enough structure, enough, flexibility, enough freedom at different points in time to get the things done that I want to do.I love it. And I think it, that leads me to like, when you were talking like Nelson Mandela popped into my head, when you said that, like you said, that. I want to create the structure like, ah, yeah. Oh my God. It's really weird, man. For those of you listening right now, Dom and I are on video and he has a Nelson Mandela book on his desk that I could not see. Please vouch for me. I could not see that.  But if literally the only book on my desk, it's the prison letters of Nelson Mandela, and I, and like you, so go ahead.And what, what I think is so important and one of the reasons that I lean into you Dom so much, so, so Dom just for everybody's reference, Dom is a friend, a soul brother, also a mentor, a mentee, we trade roles in each other's lives often. And Dom, you, I'm going to speak about you. Like you're not here. Dom you are somebody that I lean in to a lot when it comes to, like leadership and grounded leadership and reflection, like you are a master of, I would call it like. Discipline and intentionality together and showing itself in real life form, but from a heart centered, moving forward place, not obsessive, not like, Oh, you're like a hard ass or like, well, my mama, like, no, like from a very heart centered approach, like. Understanding that the secret here is leading yourself first.And so one of the things I asked 'em before the episode fair, but he listening is,  I told him, I said, Hey, I want to be different than everybody else. And this is kinda how I roll. And so, Hey, whatever, you know, to be the best of the best that you have. I want you to give it to everybody on the episode for free to put it into practice today.And so Dom, at the end of the episode, he's going to basically give you a couple steps or a step by step process to. Understanding the secrets to leadership and leading yourself first, which is the biggest secret here. But Dom, can you just give us like a good 30, 45 second, like what that entails and what people are gonna be looking forward to and like what that really means in their life?Absolutely in my work, I work with a lot of leaders that are very successful. And what they are constantly asking me for when they bring me into work with them, teams is how do I get my people to get more done? How do I get them to work with more urgency? How do I hold them accountable? And those are three relevant questions, but they're the wrong ones, because none of those questions are addressing the most important person in the room, which is the leader themselves. Like, how is the leader mastering the art of leaving him or herself first, before trying to impose their leadership style upon others. And almost every time that I went into an organization, small business or whatever, I found that the leader was embodying the very behaviors that they wished to either transform or vanquish in the people that they're leading.So if they're looking for urgency in their employees, they're embodying the very lack of urgency. That they wish their employees demonstrate. If they want to get more things done, the more important things done. There are people I'm finding that they're not getting the most important things done and that's vibrating and emanating through the lower levels of the organization.I love it. I'm stoked. So we're gonna do that the end of the episode, because I want you guys to listen to the context here. Dom is a, he's a, he's a walking mic drop, and I think it's important. But at the end, I want you to, I want you to listen through this episode through the lens of what lands for you, right? Like we're going to be talking about leadership and listening and self care and humility and results and the things that come in life. And some of them are gonna stick for you.  You're listening. You can listen again. You can call me back, but at the end, I want you to be intentional. You can just save the last 10 minutes of the episode and you can pin it for later.If you're driving pin it for later, if you're at the gym pin it for later. And I want you to be intentional with it, which is one step in leading yourself first, which is creating containers, which I just recorded an episode on this morning and using that thinking time. But I want you to really take, and I want you to give it the love and the attention that it deserves, because what I will tell you about leadership and what Dom will assure echo is his leadership is about giving it the intentionality and the, the awareness of it is what makes the biggest shift, not necessarily the doing this or the implementation of it.It's the, the awareness of it. So at the end, You know, whatever it's five minutes or 10 minutes. I want you to keep that part. And I want you to set some time, a pocket of time to listen to it, put it down on paper, put it into practice test and apply it to the lens of your life because. The truth is in Dom said this at the very beginning of the episode, when you Dom, where we're talking about structure, and we have these bee hags, these big, hairy, audacious goals that we want to get too, but yet we miss the connection to that vision.And so every day we'll be working, thinking we're going towards that goal, but we're not really, we're distracted. We're off charts. We're a little bit here. We need a little bit of patience and today, and in every episode like this, and especially when you listen to these things, if you take one thing. Take 10 minutes with intentionality and you put that into practice today and you continue that practice tomorrow. You tweak it and tweak it and tweak it. You ended up hitting a different continent if you change that compass, you know, one or two degrees. And so I'm super, super excited about that. And before we get any further down, I think it's really important that people know where to find you. You know, we're going to be covering a lot today and, and my job here is to help. Kind of expand your message. And so for everybody listening, you know, Dom has an amazing podcast. So Dom, can you just tell them the best place to find you the name of your podcast? Not waiting to the end of the episode window?  The podcast is called "the great man within" podcast, the great man within, and you can find that anywhere podcasts are downloaded and it's, we speak towards men who are looking to discover and live the great man that's inside of them. Every guy's got the guy he lives today. And then there's this greatness inside of him. That's lying, dormant, constantly speak to, right? So we speak to the, we speak to purpose. We speak to intention.  The things that light you up and give you ultimate performance in every single day. And George, one of the things that I really want to bang on that you just talked about one of the biggest misconceptions about purpose. Cause most of the guys who come to me are looking for purpose. They feel a sense of restlessness that they have more in the tank that they have potential. They haven't tapped it. They know how to get at it. There's this belief, that purpose is some massive thing that exists way off in the future that requires years or decades or a lifetime to experience.And I played that game for many years in my life, constantly feeling like it was out, out there and not here. And what you just talked about is the secret to purpose is really purposes lived on the day, told right through inspired action through feeling that aligned. It's like, Oh, like I can find, I can be lit up in the mundane parts of my existence, or I can find, I can be lit up knowing that I'm chopping wood and carrying water.The Buddhist philosophy of the path to enlightenment is chopping wood. Carrying water. And if you can find peace and reverence in the smallest of things, cause you know what it's in service of that happens here today. Every moment, like in, in any moment that's available. So when I, when I made the shift of, Oh, purpose is not this big thing, that's separate from me in the future but it's here right now. Then my days became much more vibrant. Then my days became more mysterious and exciting. It was like every day there was a new gift to open up if I chose to see it. And, and that's one of the reasons why I joined your mastermind is because. I could feel that emanating from you. You live that every single day and there's, you can clearly see and feel the people who are living that everyday versus the people who set bee hags, and they talk all day long about bee hags, and they seem miserable every day that they're living that Beehag cause they think that what they're looking for is out there.I want to jump in on this and we're diving into this now. So, everybody just so you know, women too. One of the things that I teach people all the time is don't put a label or container on it. Dom is a master at teaching principles that can be applied to audit the masculine or the feminine. And also what I love about, people like Dom, I listened to a lot of podcasts that are women oriented only to have a better understanding of me and my wife and my daughter and how I relate to them. And so give it a listen. And by the way, husbands boyfriends just slide an episode into their DMS. Hey honey, I found this, this dude's awesome, right? Like just, yeah. Trojan horse, man. It'd be like Dom told me to write advocate your responsibility in it, but send it in there, send it in there.  And if you don't mind, if I jump in on that too, actually, one of the, the number one way that people find on my podcast is our women listener audience is so big. They're the ones, they're the number one ones who are pulling it, like doing what you just suggested. They're bringing their men in because many of the episodes that we have, we bring on. Like women experts, some amazing women guests on there dropping mind blowing bombs. Sure. Go ahead. Tell her number one was our number one most downloaded episode. We run a podcast for men. Our number one most downloaded episode is "a man's guide to the menstrual cycle". And we had a, a few women who wrote the book wild power, who run the red school to come on and teach our listeners the four seasons of a woman's menstrual cycle. And look what we can do to support what may be needed. And that episode is like by far and away our most.  I love itand one of the things that you just said, I want to dive into this purpose thing, right? And you gave me a credit. So thank you heard, received, publicly. And, I got there by accident, big, hairy audacious goals, scared the shit out of me because there's a part of me that believes that I can almost get it and have it, which challenges my belief system as a human based on my paradigm. Right. And so I find that when I set big, hairy, audacious goals and I focus on them, I tend to deter down these paths of self sabotage. And so for me, understanding myself not really anymore, but understanding myself as that, it was also more supportive of me to have a tight container of like living my purpose.Like, what's the difference I'm going to make today? What is the lever I'm going to pull today? That is going to at least get me, my family, my team, and my customers. One step closer to all of us being in our goals and that mindset. Came out of survival, right? Like it came out of fear and scarcity and survival, but it also became a very powerful tool because. In order to be able to live in the moment every day, I have to have a solid foundation, things that work and they're supposed to work. Right. And, you know, that's like, I, I'm not going into my group. Like pretty, you know, pretty unique, like I'm tattered, scarred bruise. Like I live and I live hard and sometimes I pay for it, but I also do the same thing in business.And so when you talk about this Dom, you know, A massive something that landed hard for me last week that I read was depression comes from thinking about the past that anxiety comes from worrying about the future. And I think right in that moment, the third stands up to that, that I would add. And happiness comes from being in the presence you should like right now, which is purpose, like presence is purpose. And, you know, I want you to expand upon this, but I did want everybody listening to share. I think for the, I'm getting emotional, I think with entrepreneurs, I feel like the world that we live in, even as humans is, is from a paradigm perspective, set us all up to fail. Like it's supposed to look a certain way.It's supposed to feel a certain way. We can only share about certain things. Like you have to want Rolexes and private jets. You have to be flexing. You have to be boom. And nobody talks about just finding a fucking smile in a room full of entrepreneurs that are there sharing the same goal and enjoying that moment and realizing that that moment's never coming back. And it's fleeting. Right? I watch people like everyone's like when you go to events, you state the whole time, like these are amazing people. I just want to connect with them like, Oh, I'm going to go get ready for four hours. I'm going to go give my speech. Then I'm not talking to anybody. I'm like why? Like, I'm here to talk to people. Like I'm here to community, like community to create connection. Like, this is my purpose. Like, this is. Yeah, like, this is all I have. And you're somebody who exemplifies this and nails this, but everybody listening, like I think it's just really important to pull the veil back on entrepreneurs.And like, I'll be the first one to rip the curtain back that I didn't get to this point of like living hard and living happy and finding joy in the moment because like, I was trained on me. Like it was the only way I could survive and I've spent most of my life depressed and an anxiety in the old days of setting those goals. Like Lindsay, my wife used to come to me. And she used to be like, Hey babe, you know, like I, in one day, this is what I want our dream house to be in. Like, I want these horses and I would break down crying and go and break down for three days. Cause my brain only heard tomorrow. I'm like, how am I going to have a $5 million property in 60 for horses and rescue wild horses tomorrow? And she's like, No, like sometime in the next 40 years it will be, Oh, why can't I share goals? Right. But it was like, I had so much anxiety about the future because I was like, Oh, can I create that too? I have that role to add that. And I was disconnected from that moment. Like that moment, where in that moment there was joy. There was expression. There was. Happiness. There was like future pacing and casting of like positive energy and manifestation. And for years I missed it because I was way too out there in the weeds. And so,  I did want to share that for everybody, because I think it's important to know that no matter what level you reach as an entrepreneur, as a, as a human, as a person in life, what we reach as we reach a new level of game where the practice gets harder, but the results are also 10 times greater.When you stick it out and it all comes in that purpose. So I would love to kind of dive into that. So do you have any, you know, from your perspective, you coach a lot of high level, fortune 5,100, you know, people, corporate America that are higher achievers and in my, and I'm just going to rip the bandaid off in my, in my perspective, live transactionally, right?Like, boom, boom, boom. Get this some Kimbo, but not all of them. Yeah. But like the world in which they live. Is predicated on that. Right? It's the old boys club politics, the transactions. And like, I think what's up amazing about you is you lived in that corporate world. Well, you found your purpose and figured out a way to mesh the two. And I think it's really powerful. So yeah. So can you dive into that and talk about that for everybody? Like what that looks like living in that purpose. And then now you have an open floor here.  I think one of the things you said is really important about why so many of us are seeking and craving purpose is to provide that anchor and stability and clarity in the present moment. For why we're doing what we're doing. Why does it make sense to wake up every day? Like what, like, why am I laboring? And if you know what it's in service of, then it gives you a reason to do the hard work. It gives you a reason to deal with the frustrating clients. It gives you a reason to deal with the rejection.And so that's why we're seeking purpose is because we want clarity in these present moments, but we don't, we lose sight of that sometimes. Yeah. I think what we've, what we've distorted purpose to mean is. When  I slay that dragon, when I hit that, Beehag when I climbed that mountain, then I'm going to unlock this series of feelings that I have been unable to access at up until this point in my life. And once my business hits seven figures, once my biggest business, it's eight figures. Once, once my business does the billion dollar mark, then I will feel the thing. And, and, and, and those things are great goals to have, but it's misguided because whenever you hit that place, You find out that the feeling is transient and you can study this with every anyone who's climbed those mountains, right?You listen to Jim Carey who talks about this. I wish everyone could be rich and famous. You can realize that being rich and famous is not all it's cracked up to be. You can talk to Phil Jackson. Who's coached 11 NBA championships with Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal. He'll tell you when he won his first championship as a player on the New York Knicks, back in the seventies. He was excited for a few days. And then he realized it didn't really make much of his life that much easier. Sure. He's got more money, a little bit more fame, but what, but like, but nothing really changed. And so what he realized, and he's a deep spiritual practitioner, he realized it's super deep, learn how to blend Buddhism Christianity, studying the Lakota tribe and native Americans and brought all of that into actually coaching six NBA championship teams with the Chicago bulls and five more with the Lakers.What he found was purpose is being deeply engaged in whatever it is you're doing in the moment. Now here's the other thing I want to bring on that I've learned that purpose also requires an ability to hold paradox. And what I mean by holding paradox is if you think about Eastern philosophy, it's all about. All there is, is the present moment. All there is is now happiness is in the, now you talked about right, like depression is from being consumed with the past. Anxiety is fear of the future. Like being in the present moment. Absolutely. I was for a sense of purpose allows for a sense of peace. But if you only lived for the moment without consideration for the fact that there are downstream effects, there are, there is a future you're going to get older. Your kids have college tuition that need to be paid for like there's. All of these parents are aging. If you ignore the fact that there's a future, then you're also going to have a lot of pain as you, as you move into the future.  So Western philosophy focuses a lot on what's in the future built growth, right? Set goals, crush goals. So if you're able to actually hold the paradox of yes and, okay. Yes. It's only about the present moment and it's also about like an eye towards the future. Yes. It's all about building a proper future and also being present with what is right now. I forget who said this, like the, there's a quote that says. The, like the, the characteristic of a first rate intelligence is being able to hold two mutually opposing views at the same exact time and not have your head explode. Well, what I'm asking you to do is to hold both of those. Yes. We have an eye towards the future. Yes. We have like a need for now. That is where purpose exists. If you can find that overlap.  I love it. And I'm. I'm the, I'm the, I'm the single color crayon and the whole box of 32 crayons.  So paradox to find paradox for me. Cause I use paradigm all the time. But when you say paradox is at holding, almost like two conflicting beliefs, is that what that is? Like? What does that mean?  Paradox is holding two opposing ideas at the same time and allowing both to be true.I love it.  And I think, I think what you said, I want to dive into this one thing you said that, and I catch this all the time and this was something that I struggled with for years was that. That toxic thinking, right? Like, I'll do this when I'll have this, when I'll go to the gym on Monday or I'll start eating clean next week, or I'll take a vacation when I hit seven figures. Right. Like I'm basically, you know, I'm shooting my life away. Right. Like I just, I just don't realize it yet. and the reason I say that, and I think you might've read this there's one book that I read or listen to about once a month. That absolutely changed the way in which I see this. And it's called the little book of clarity by Jamie smart. It's only a three hour listen or like a, if you're a speed reader, not me, but Jim Kwik taught me how to do that. I'm just not fast at it. Probably read it like two, it took me like eight, but it's called and I recommend everybody have it.It's it's so simple. It's mind blowing and it's all about that. What he calls toxic thinking, right? It's that robbing yourself of the moment. And then thinking and putting meaning. And definitions on what it might look like when you get there. But I want to dive into this further, cause you said something and I'm going to ask the devil's advocate question. Like, how are we great Dom? Like. I get to live with purpose every day. Right. But right now, current state of the world or any state of the world, and I don't want to use those words on this. Sure. I love that. Right. I live with purpose. Right. But I can't pay my bills. I can't pay my mortgage. Right. Like things happen for the first time I went from being a millionaire broke. I lost a company. Right. Like I get this. So I believe this is true. Right. But me from my story, struggling with, you know, suicidal ideations, attempted suicide depression. Hospitalizations. I was like, yeah, I'd love to live in purpose.And like, you can tell me a Lotus analogy all day, but I feel like I was living under eight feet of dog shit and it was just pressing down on top of me. And it's like, yeah, I, in that moment I said, screamed like to the point where like, Hey, I will never kill myself, but that's what it feels like. I'm so lost. And I'm so done. Like, can somebody help me, like get to that point? And so where do you see. You know the intersection of that, because it's fun now on the other side for me to sit here and talk like, Oh, I have my parents everyday. I have it. Right. I got champagne problems. I got champagne problems. Cause I went through this. And so there's, and I think what was powerful for me is like, it's like this duality. And I think for me, I mixed it up that like, in order for me to have purpose and or happiness, I also had to feel a certain way or have it look a certain way. Rather than recognizing that there both they're all lanes on the same highway of my life. And I have to drive on all of them. I might have to stay in one longer than the other, but there's kind of like this duality where, you know, the purpose comes through the practice. And the intentionality and the discipline of getting there. And then it, in my opinion, it kind of like snowballs, right? You hit a tilting point, but like, how do you navigate that?You coach so many people on this. And I know there's people listening. Like I love this and I want this, or they're in their job and they want to have a, be an entrepreneur or they love what they do, but they don't have the impact or they have eight things that they want to do to the world, but they don't have the means right now. And it's a part of that kind of patience and structure and mixed into purpose. So what are your thoughts on that?  The start with a story that will lead to the answer to your question. So for the last three and a half months, I've been doing a relentless number of webinars to clients, small companies like Que kitchen,  large companies like Prudential, financial and other investment institutions and a bunch of others.By the way, Tom, I was just gonna to say, I feel like every single one of my friends that worked in corporate America, every one of them worked at Prudential. Did they, everyone, I have, I have 10 friends on the top of my head right now, all in different areas. I worked at Prudential worked or Prudential work. I'm like, who are these people, man with man.  And it's a great place to build a career if, if you, if you're down for that kind of thing. So over, over that period of time, I had a chance to pull about 2000 participants, 2000 people who are on those webinars. And I asked them one simple question. What's one word that best describes how you're feeling right now and then just pop it in the chat box and Kelly who's my chief operating officer scraped all those answers. We put them into a word cloud. Now the word cloud, basically, if you don't know what a word cloud is, the, the size of the word on the word cloud determines how many or it basically is, is indicate indicative of how many people have said that word. About 80 to 90% of the words were negative emotions.  Anxious was the biggest one, overwhelmed sausage, afraid, tired were the other biggest ones. And then there were like hundreds of other words that buffer does now. What I found from the very first week of quarantine to 12 weeks later, those were the same answers I was getting. There was very little movement in the responses I was getting from different populations. They were responding the same way, which indicated to me, George, that. Many of us are feeling negative feelings. Think about this. Like if 80% of your family members, 80% of your clients, 80% of your staff are feeling and walking around with perpetual negative sentiments. It's very difficult for behavior and for energy to change when we're bouncing off of each other from exhaustion, from fatigue, from anxiety, from fear, when we bounce off of each other, we perpetuate.So what it takes is leaders to actually start to ask. The first question is to get really clear on number one. What am I feeling right now without judgment? I'm giving you a process right now. There's three steps to this. Number one is what is it that I'm feeling right now without judgment? And if you're talking about like, I'm depressed right now. Like depression, just naming it and not beating yourself up for it. And I don't know if that's possible, cause I have not been, I've not, I've not stepped into that place of depression. I certainly know what it feels like to be in a funk in a dark place for periods of time. I've been through 12 step programs and recovery. So I have that history, but even if it's just like, okay, I'm anxious. That's the first step is number one, knowing what it is you're feeling without judgment. Second thing is what is it that I want to feel? This is why so many people got stuck for 12 or 13 weeks feeling negative sentiments is because they haven't asked that second question.What do I want to feel? And when you can identify, well, if I'm anxious, it's unlikely that I'm going to be lit up from purpose in the next 24 hours. Maybe just getting to neutral is a huge win because I've been living with anxiety eat for 12 weeks. If I can move from anxious to neutral, that is a win Abraham Hicks who talks about law of attraction.Abraham Hicks says when you are in a negative place, emotionally or feelings wise, you're only looking for the thoughts that will provide you relief. Relief that's it. And it could be a really small step, like one rung on a ladder going from I'm depressed to purpose. That's the grand Canyon sized gap you're set and yourself up for failure, right. Going from maybe sad or uncertain or fearful to, I've got momentum. Don't know what that looks like, but what thought can bring you there? So, first question is, what am I feeling? Second question is what do I want to feel? And the third question is. What tool do I have available to me to move from where I am, to where I want to go.And that tool could be meditation. That tool could be directing my thoughts with intentionality deliberately directing my thoughts, because my thoughts are wild horses right now. What if I could actually just guide them to something that gives me a sense of relief unicorns, a tool could, right. A tool could be listening to George's podcasts too. It could be listening to mine, a toolkit. What are the different tools at your disposal to shift where you are to where you want to go? Cause when you use those tools, you are in purpose, you are on purpose. Like just going from like that, that, you know, like where I am to where I want to go. You are actually on purpose. Even if it's moving from a really low point to just one step higher, that is actually on purpose.  And I want to dive into this. You and I talk about this a lot. You, you, me and Stefano talked about this a lot, right? We, we coach many and we coach people. We coach entrepreneurs and to take this toxic thinking to a deeper level, even understanding the topic of toxic thinking and trying to fix it is also toxic thinking because it's in the doing of it. Right? And we talk about this all the time. That really, as a human, our biggest win, like the ultimate level of enlightenment is just awareness.Because when you are aware, you are plug in and you see the field, you see all of the levers, you see the inputs, the outputs and where, and it's almost like you're standing at 30,000 feet looking down at you and your life. And you're like, Oh, that's how I feel. And then on the other side, like that's how I want to feel. And there's this gap in the middle. But when you're aware, you can figure out what bridge to build. How long does it need to be? What strengthened my driving over a walking over it, right? There's 22 bridges into Manhattan, right? If you need to make a new one, just for you to walk over, you're probably not going to end.You know, construct the Brooklyn bridge, right? Like you can just throw like a rope bridge and walk across. Right. And it kind of depends on the situation. And so to sum this up, like what this sounds like is that this is like a three step process for emotional awareness and liberation, right? Emotional awareness and liberation.And so step number one is basically pattern interrupting ourselves to a point where we go from being the, the viewer of the feeling of the life of the body and the brain again, to the person directing the moving is that's kinda how it feels to me. Right. I lived with this. Right. And just so everybody knows, I'm pretty open about this. I've been hospitalized, psychiatric wards. I've been in and out of them. I've been in some dark, dark, dark places. And the biggest struggle for me and anybody in Dom's been through 12 step programs as well. So we know this and. You know, the biggest challenge for me is that in that moment, in those situations, I logically understood that it wasn't real, but I didn't have the capacity or the vision to understand that it wasn't really going to happen.Like there was so much dissonance where it's like, it felt so real. And like I was going to die in that moment or my life was going to be over because of that. I call it the toxic cesspool of shit in my head, knowing that only 80 out of, out of all memory, 80% of it is constructed by our brain. Only 20% is accurate, but yet I believe it to be a hundred percent true.And so,I love it. So step number one is awareness, right? So the goal here is whenever you're in a situation that's, unideal disconnect from purpose, right? Let's and listen like this, this bull Shipley vive, I shit, unicorn and rainbows every day. And I'm just happy all the time. Like, no, you only have happiness because of the polarity of the other side. Right. We have to understand that ranges of emotion support us as humans. So for me, number one, awareness. So identify with as much accuracy as possible. What I'm feeling in that room without judgment, no fault, no blame, no guilt, no shame. Just identifying the feeling. For what it's like, Oh, that's interesting. I'm feeling X or I'm feeling Y and I think one caveat here is not saying I am depressed or I am sad, but looking at it, say, I feel depressed. I'm not taking shorts ship of those feelings and I'm summarizing your stuff for me and everybody listening, who listens to me all the time.  So then step number two. And I think Dom, this is something I struggled with when a lot of stuff happens in my life is that I'm so deep in the weeds of what it is that I am feeling with judgment. That I'm complaining or I'm sad that I'm there, but I couldn't tell you where I want to be. I don't know, like for me as somebody who struggled in that spot, right. It's so easy to be like, I want to be happy, but even that thought alone in that state doesn't sound good because there's a part of me that was comfortable in depression. There was a part of me that was comfortable in, in there, cause the familiarity and the things like that. And I think that's step two alon is probably the single handed biggest needle mover for me personally,  business life relationships.  So when Lindsey and I are having issues and she was like, Oh, I don't want this. And like, I'd be like I do. But I would say yes all the time, because I didn't really know what I wanted. And then she feels set up to feel alone  nda happened in the business with my kids, with friends, everything, and like really taking the time to know like, this is where I want to be. Right. Like I did a podcast on this. There's no only two ways to win in business simplicity and clarity, and the simplicity part you can't have until, you know, where you want to go and you find the path, the least resistance to get there. And so for me, step two is like, what do I want to feel? And I think what you said is like even, or reduction in this or a neutrality of like,  just feel present or safe or.Anything that will give you a sense of relief, right? Like if you're in a negative state, anything that will give you a sense of relief is a notch.  And then the third one, what I love is once you know, where you want to be, you just have a gap and the gap might be small, might be big, but then you have to figure out what's the best bridge to build that gap. And I'm going to ask you about this, cause this is something that works for me. What I've also realized is that the echo chamber of my own brain is the most dangerous spot to try to build that bridge. And so for me, And I've talked about this a lot and I would love your thoughts on this. So when I think about like, what tools do I have, the first tool I go to is voice and truth. Right? And so using what I've come up with and finding somebody in mind, or a post or recording or writing it down, getting it out of my brain and into tactile, right? Like into the world and giving it texture. Is what neutralizes a lot of it for me. And so,  when we think about tools, we of course have podcasts, meditations. We have all of that stuff. For me personally, you know, we're tribal creatures, in my opinion, we love of people. We belong in community people. So for me, when I think about the tools tool that I go to is communication, like getting out and I even speak it out loud, Dom. So do you have any thoughts on that? Like what do you recommend, how people navigate that or what they do to kind of free that up?  A hundred percent. And especially with my work with men, I'm going to give a men's specific answer. Men tend to go at these types of things on our own, right. We're rugged individualists. So we want to figure everything out on our own because we've been taught. If you don't, then there's something weak about you. Or even if like, even if we don't, I subscribed to that weakness thing, we have just been unpracticed at learning how to articulate, like what, like act to actually feel a feeling to name that a feeling most of the men that I work with don't know what they're feeling.They're blocked. They're stuck, but they can't articulate it or they can't articulate. Like what's the, like the nuances of it, which makes it really difficult to actually then go and seek it help, like, or to ask for support. So when it comes to men, I run a mastermind, the great man mastermind, which is built off the back of the great man within podcasts. We've got 22 guys who were working together for the next year on like discovering and living the best version of themselves. And that's done with the intention of guys coming together and recognizing that personal development on your own, it's slow, it's shallow, it's incomplete. And so if you do not know, I have a group of other men in your life that you can go to, to open up and say, here's what I'm struggling with. Here's what's wrong. And, and, and then when you do open up to them, you're not. Machine gunfire, spattered with a bunch of advice, right? Like you're not like your guys in your life, like guys are really good at giving advice. Like what you don't want is a bunch of guys who give advice on things that they don't know, nothing about.You want to talk to the guys who actually seek to listen, seek to hear you seek to understand. And then provide support and guidance and maybe give advice if solicited, right. You and I have had conversations around this.  I'm a master of giving advice. Cause I'm the master of not wanting to do the work. Cause it gets uncomfortable with it. Then I have people like, you'd be like, Hey, shut up. I'm like, sorry bro. Yeah. And we all need to shut up sometimes. Totally. And I think finish this thought and then I have an opening for you, a deeper level of his thought.  I would just say that, you know, like one of the things that breaks my heart the most is when I talk to men, there was a guy who was considering coming into my mastermind, who eventually did where he was like, you know, Dominic, I have a wife, I love who loves me. I have kids who I love more than anything in this world, a job that really respects and values me. And he's awesome at his job. But when I go to bed at night, like when, when everyone goes to bed at night and I'm the last one awake, I feel like I'm alone in this world. And there are many men who I've had share an iteration of that story with me, because there are so many. There are so many men who. Feel alone because there are these portals inside of them that they have not yet discovered that they don't even know about. Therefore, how could anyone else have access to them when you don't have access to that. Oftentimes men need to be in the company of other men who are doing the inner work, who have the ability. To feel a feeling, to name a feeling, to sit with that feeling and to express that feeling with others.  So one of my biggest tools, like one of the biggest things that I evangelize on the podcast and anywhere I go is guys find your tribe. And oftentimes it's going to take you who are listening right now to take your relationships with the men in your life. A little bit deeper asking deeper questions, being vulnerable and opening up first. I can tell you that there are so many men. Who are craving and waiting for someone to show up and be the first mover. And as soon as you were the one to do that, you'll be shocked at how many other guys are ready and willing and able to go there with you and women and women as well.I think this is applicable across the board and so when you, when you say a lot of that stuff,  and all of this resonate to me, it's all, it's all true.  the one thing I think it took me probably. I don't know, you know, this I've probably invested over seven figures, just in personal development, coaching therapy, cognitive behavioral therapy, EMDR, prolonged exposure. MTMA assisted psychotherapy. I'll also like you, you name it. I mean, like. I've played. I play hard in the paint, right? Like I go there like, Hey George, you like football? My like, okay, cool. Let's play on the Patriots for the super bowl. I got it. And then I ended up broken about her, but I come out a better person on the other side but I think Dom,  I think there's a part of this that when I think about leadership, when I think about. You know, let's call it personal development. I call it just growth and awareness. Right? When we think about all of this,  there's another trap for me besides the purpose trap or the big, and by the way, when we say big  bhag, it's a term that's been thrown out, it's it stands for big, hairy, audacious goal.And there's a ton of stuff out there. There's three hag and all this other stuff. But yeah when I think about it, Tom, I think. Underneath that there was another trap that I fell into. What I didn't realize was there, which was the finish line trap or the finality trap, right. When these emotions come up or when I get, you know, emotionally liberated or when I step into a new rung of leadership or I open up communication, my trap was, Oh, I made it. It's just going to work by self or, Oh, I healed it. It's going to stay gone forever. Or I have this new, new level of communication with my team. It's going to maintain itself like, Oh, I planted the flower. It's going to now water itself on its own. Right. And it took me a long time and a whole lot of self acceptance and healing to get to the point where I'm like, I would have the moments like, Oh, I feel this way. I feel sad and I'm not judging myself. Right. And so then I liberate it, but then the moment sadness comes up again, I make myself bad and wrong cause, Oh, I feel sad again. I thought I went through this already. I thought this was there. So can you talk about, you know, from your perspective, like we're talking about all of this and just so everybody understand, these are the secrets to success. These are the secrets to leadership. These are the secrets, the "secrets that everybody you idolize that we do behind the scenes and we coach them on to get here". Right. And you see the public persona. These are the secrets, but I think Dom for me, I would love your thoughts on. You know, you live this by example, right.And there's days that we all fall out of practice. Right. And you know, just like your emotional liberation process, it's like, Oh, it's awareness. Like, Oh, what was I supposed to be doing today? Oh, this, Oh, I didn't do it. Not judging myself. Where do I want to be back in practice? Well, what tool gets me back on there?I think there's also this in, in our world, in the culture that we live in entrepreneurial, right. Business owners, you know, self-starters leaders that once we hit that finish line, or once we slay the dragon, per say, if you're a Joseph Campbell kind of guy that the game's over and there's that last step where you have to go back, teach the village, everything that you learned and then the next dragon comes. So how do you navigate that process? Do you have any advice for people of like, you know, like for me, and I'll just speak for experience for 20 seconds, is it okay almost became harder to grow because my, I was just exhausted. I was like, come on, like, can I just get a break? Like, can this just work? And I had this really unhealthy relationship because I was like, I beat depression on how it's going to come back. Like, it's almost easier to stay yeah. Than it is to what it felt like is like it was in the Mexican crab pot. Right. If you ever use that analogy. Yeah. You put Mexican crabs in a whole one. We'll try to climb out, but the other ones always grab it back down and they never let one get out. And that's kind of what it felt like. And so, I don't know if you can talk on that at all.  That last piece was super important to hear cause what I'm hearing from you is when you were growing, when you were battling the demons, when you were slaying the dragons, it required every last ounce of your effort and then some. And then when you finally came up for air. You just wanted it. You just want a time to breathe. You just want a time to recover and, and your, your, your mechanism for that was, Oh, I'm done. You saw it as a finite game. And because, because like everything that it took to get there, and the reality is is that the journey is never complete.And there's a beautiful part of that, because that means we're always getting better. That means that there's always parts of ourself that we can fall deeply more deeply in love with there's ways to surprise ourself. And the other trap that we fall into when we're playing the infinite game is that the speed of go is the only speed at the speed of go, right.AndGeorge, like, you know that, that's something that I know that like, you, you feel many times, right? We're just like, I've got to go. I've gotta go. And I've seen this for myself too. Cause I'm I get maniacal, especially when it comes to like personal development, you see this with people in business, especially entrepreneurs, the only speed is go.And then, you know you do this big thing. Maybe it's. You raised money or maybe you bought a company, maybe you just hired 50 new employees, and then like you, you kind of get over that hump of that massive expenditure and yeah. Instead of giving yourself a period to like integrate that to give self care to not need to do anything more, to not achieve, to not set that next step, big, hairy, audacious goal to actually just like, be like, no, my work is never done and, and I'm going to take this period of time where I know that if I fill my tank, if I fall back in love with the business, which maybe I fell a little bit out of love as I was grinding myself to enough, maybe I can give myself a chance to refill my tank and then I get to choose. What's the next dragon I choose. I plan on slaying. That's a different kind of game than feeling like you always have to be on go or. Deluding yourself that like, I can go on autopilot and I never have to bring practice or meticulousness into my daily life to sustain the gains that I've built.  So, so true. And I think something just came to me when you were saying that. and I was thinking about, and by the way, I like to tie into the paradox, could closing of that Zeigarnik effect all the way down here and tying it back. Good job.  I love it. And now I know what paradox means, so it's going to be my word of the week. Yeah. Well, you know, me very well. You're like, okay, we can have, yeah, right now for the next seven days, how many times George has paradox, we're probably going to tap up in like the three, 400 range and that I'll wear it out.You know, just like I did a few other words, but when I think about a Dom. I think also from a societal perspective, and I would love your thoughts on this because you live in this world from a societal perspective, we live in a world where like depression has made wrong. Feeling has made wrong. Sadness has made wrong, like, you know, man up toxic masculinity. You can't, you can like the, the bullshit that's projected on men and women from a societal standpoint. And so when we think about it, The way in which the world, in my opinion, sees things like depression or sadness or fear or insecurity as is like, it's this thing you have. Which means it's also this thing that you fix. And it goes away. And so I don't, I personally don't find outside of entrepreneurship culture where it's like, no, it's okay to be sad. And it's okay to be scared. Let's go through it together. Most of the world is like, Oh, go get treatment, go get help. And then come back when you're complete or come back when you are "whole". And it's like, the field that we play on is basically destined to keep ourselves stuck in that fucking Mexican crab pot. And then it's like the moment you try to climb out of it, they either want to pull you out of it or they, they want to pull you into it or they want to throw you out of it and outcast you because you're growing or you're doing the work.And so for me now, I know, but during a time, when you say, find your tribe, what I've also found is a lot times, if you're in a tribe and you start growing, you sometimes have to make some hard decisions because that tribe wants you to stay where you are, because that stagnation keeps them comfortable and where they are and then our growth and things like that, you know, we'll pull them out.And so, you know, one of the things that I was thinking about when you talked about, you know, finding your tribe, and in the beginning of this episode, we were talking about like, Hey, like, you know, you word clouded it, right. Anxious anxiety. When you're surrounded by that, we absorb that energy. We're all vibrating here. And so it's really important. To keep our containers, right? Like you are the sum of five people. You surround yourself with their energies, their intention, their things like that. And so there's a part of me too, that I think everybody should be prepared for that and I mean this in the best way possible. Well, that leadership is lonely for all the right reasons because in that leadership, like we, we lead ourselves, right. This is what we talk about. We lead ourselves. But then in that, in those times of like, Hey, I'm emotionally liberated with this three step process. The people that are in your life that support you pretty much find themselves and self identify pretty quickly.And the ones that are like, Oh, I don't want to hear it. No, don't tell me like, Oh, tell me when it's done. Right. They also identify themselves. And so like, there's no finish line for this. There's also just like a very wise shaman told me relationships either happened for a reason, a season or a lifetime.And I think that there's also this, this strength and understanding that like, As you grow and you lead, you're also going to attract and magnetize new people polarity wise, and then you're also going to repel some people there. And there's going to be times there's going to, and I'm just going to say, there's going to be times where you're doing the best work that you've done. You're the happiest you've bet. And you're beating depression and you're going to feel more alone than you've ever felt. And that's in my opinion, upleveling and calling in a new level of team or magnetism or things like that. But it's also something I think should be talked about. Because it was one of those things that kind of surprised me.I started doing work and I lived this life and I had this multi seven figure business. And all these people that I thought were my friends. And then, you know, six to 12 months of some of the hardest work of my life, saving my marriage, saving my life. And I don't speak to any of them anymore. They wanted nothing to do with me. And, and it was like that final nail for me. I'm like, is this really what I want? Like, do I have the intestinal fortitude to go through this? Because I'd say 99% of me just wanted to fall back and call my "friends". Like, just tell me it's going to be okay. Like, okay, I'll go back to talking shit about people at dinner. Like I'll listen to it and not say, but obviously I didn't want to get there, but I think it's important. So can you talk about the power of kind of that tribe, but also the containers and self identification of you that's required? So you kind of know. What your tribe should be when to lean into a tribe and when to lean into yourself, you know, like, and the way I look at it is like, when do you lean into your group? And when do you lean into the mirror? And that's kind of how it goes into buckets.  I think one of the reasons why leaders don't Excel as fast as they want to is because they're afraid of saying goodbye. To the people in their lives that, that don't support their growth or don't know how to, to, to nurture some of the relationships to bring them along. There's, there's a bit of both. And so I see people getting stuck because they're afraid of that lonely feeling that you described because I've, I've been there. There's, there's been times in my life where I radically changed who I was and. And I found myself having to rebuild completely my network.It can be, yeah, scary place to be. I've learned over the course of time, how to not have to go through that level of loneliness, how to bring people along. I want to share with you that there are three types of people in your life, and I've written about this. I've done podcasts about this. I wrote about it in my, my next book. That's coming out on purpose leadership. There's three types of people in your life. The first type of person in your life relates to the historical version of you. The past version of you like this, this is the person, these are the people in your life that see you as the version of maybe when you were a kid, you know, maybe who you were five years ago, four years ago, one year ago, depending on how fast maybe they have that nickname for you, that you've outgrown, but they're the ones who call you that, like, these are the ones who are stuck, who don't want you to change because it means leaving them behind, or maybe it's an indictment on their inability to grow. I have compassion for this group of people, even though sometimes like their methods aren't necessarily the most , they're not the best, but these are the people who are threatened by your growth and try and hold you back.  The second one group of people are the people who see the here and now version of you. These are the people who can see like, okay, George looks this way today. This is what his business looks like right now. This is his weight. This is his physical appearance. And maybe they can see crummy, mental shades of your growth. But for the most part, they see your marital status. They see your kids are like whatever. They could only see a few inches or feet out in front of where you are today. So they speak to that version of you. And I find that many people who are feeling stuck in their lives, 95% of the people they surround themselves with. Are the people who only see the here and now version of you. And they're kind of keeping you in this place.The third type of person, your life speaks to the highest version of you, right? This is the person who can see beyond even what you're capable of. Right? They're the person who, when you mail in a B plus effort and try and pass it off as an A, like they can call you on your bullshit. Cause they know, right. They're the ones. Who aren't stuck in the weeds, the way that you are, and don't have the excuses or won't allow the excuses that may be you have, because they see greatness in you be above and beyond where you are presently. Now, what I found is that so many people don't have someone truly that sees the greatest, highest diversion of them in their live right now.  Some of us have to pay for that, whether it's with coaching, some of us. Get lucky. And that person, you know, we attract that person into our lives without our own like conscious doing or seeking that person just ends up in their lives. But most of us need to actually put that into our conscious awareness. I want to surround myself with it. People who only speak to the high. So that's what you've been doing, George. Right? Like when you pulled me into your life, you made a very concerted effort to bring me into your life. Cause you saw that I could speak to that version of you Stephanos and you're like, like you have consciously built that tribe. To say, no, I need that. I need that structure. I need someone to, and it's going to be painful sometimes. There's shit that I do that like causes you pain and then you go away, you come back and then we deal with that. You was same thing with Stefanos, same thing and vice versa.  I was going to say, and by the way, if Dom and I recorded some of our calls, I'm like, I hate you, you mother. And I love you, which is why I'm telling you this. I think one thing before you finish to that third person, when you said. When you hand in a B plus effort and mask it as an A, and they call you on it. For me, those are also the people. When I hand in an, a effort and I graded a C plug me into what I created.That's great. That's actually, that's awesome, man. Thank you for that. Cause I'll be adding that to my, like when I speak about that, that's so true. Cause there are times where like you definitely diminish. I definitely diminish. And then people like, I need those people in my life to be like, dude, do you realize the impact?Oh, I've kicked her back for everybody listening. I've I've wanted to virtually, or I virtually have kicked Dom in the shins. Quite a few times. And I was like, and I even met Dom. I was like, do you see how great you are? And he's like, no, I'm like, no, no, no, bro. Like I see the next fucking 25 years of your life, like laid out in front of me. And I just want to be a part of it. Like I just want to know ounce of DNA in that game, in that world that you live in. So no, man, I, I love that. So yeah. Continue on those three types of people.  I would, I would just close it with the highest version of yourself. People get lazy with it, finding that person. They they're like, Oh, well, that's my wife, that's my husband. That's my, you know, like, just look for the closest person. I would encourage you to go out and look for who's done what you want to do in your life. Whether it's like achieve business success with a sense of fulfillment or, you know, they, they seem to have overcome some of these nasty, you know, Behaviors or diseases that have like, you know, have, have crippled or curtailed your behavior.And actually George, when you talked about the conversation of labeling depression or sadness, as these things have a go away, go fix that. Like when I, when I see depression, when I see anxiety. I look at super powers in the making totally right. Like if you can look at them that way, if, if you can call in the support, whether it's yourself support or also, you know, guides, experts, healers in your life that can help you to look at the depths that you've been to, because you're actually fucking going to really dark places, powerful places.And when you bring yourself back from those places, You have lessons, you have stories you're gone. You've gone on Joseph Campbell's hero's journey is a belly of the beast. It's called wisdom wisdom coming back and reconstituting it. Now in the, in the corporate world. One of the things that I have seen as a theme over 15 years is blocking emotions, blocking feelings.Do

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Investing in stocks, options, and futures is risky and not suitable for all investors. Please consult your own independent financial adviser before making any investment decisions.Unedited Transcript he said bros. I don't know if he's talking about us or the stock. Um, I, I, Luke let's check in on the stock. Let's see how Dutch bros is doing right now. Up again. I mean, this stock has just been ripping all week. Oh, I wonder what the. Check with the one week return is on bros right now. Yep. And, and, and th this is the new coffee shop, uh, IPO craft producer.Does that sound right? Yes, sir. Yep. It's uh, specifically in the kind of Pacific Northwest, um, kinda, you know, out in, uh, Oregon, Washington, that part of the country, these are everywhere. They're like the Dunkin donuts in the Northeast where there's one on every corner in Boston. Um, and. I mean, it's up 25% this week alone, Luke.Um, I'm up for not going to lie. The drinks don't look like that. Good. Yeah. They look like, I mean, they kind of look like Dunkin donuts drinks, like super sort of shitty. Alright. Is if anybody's been to Dutch bros, will you please comment like this looks way better? Like maybe get this fall it's oh, is it PSL season?Yeah, it's definitely PSL season. It's definitely, they have a, so here's Starbucks. Here's let's look at the Dutch bros site. Yeah, the Starbucks drinks look just like so much more lowering. Wait, let's look at what we're getting into the chat. Um, Kira said I went to Arizona on vacation, visited Dutch bros and went every day.It's pricey, but it tastes amazing. All right. Matt says drinks are so bad. Cameron is not a fan of fan eye. So if you've been to, if you've been to Dutch bros, give us a one in the chat. Um, or a two, if you've been to Dutch bros and you like it, give us a one. If you do not like it, give us a two. Okay.Everybody likes touch for us clearly except for a Cameron Dole. Are you judging coffee brands by photos? Yes. The answer is we're doing D D right now. It's very serious, but, but, but I'll say beyond that, we're asking for a reason, right? It's it's not a brand that we have in Michigan where I live and that's why we're asking.STBC lives in Oregon. Yep. Um, so yeah, I mean, th this one's interesting for sure. I don't know if, if the stock will hang out at these prices, it's kind of hard to tell, right. After an IPO, you don't have a long, I wonder, do you know what the IPO is priced at prices three. I believe. I believe it opened that $36.I don't know what a bit priced at 23. Okay. Let, let, let's just talk through how this IPO mechanism works for a second producer, maybe. So, so, so there, there's a few prices to keep in mind when we're talking about IPO's. Uh, the first one. This is what the IPO price is at. Okay. And that, that sort of the first price that we get, and that's the price at which the company is selling shares out to the market.So, so and so when the company is creating 10 million new shares and dumping them on the market, that's the price at which the company is selling those shares to the market. Typically it's institutional shareholders that are buying those shares and they're, they're buying them, uh, before the stock typically starts trading.And generally speaking, the price increases from, from the, the, the first day of trading. There's a price increase versus where the stock price is at. So, so, so that's the first price, what the IPO price is at. And again, that, that that's where, where the company is, is selling their shares onto the market. Uh, the second price to keep in mind is where the stock opens.Okay. So, so the company is going to sell their shares for 23, but they're making that decision before the stock is actually trading. It's typically the next day that the stock is going to start trading. Um, and, and so basically the way that, that, that stock opening process looks like is, you know, the market maker gets all the buyers of the stock, all that.So there's a stock lines of. And figures out where exactly that bid-ask lands, uh, in, in, at what price the stock is going to start trading on the market. So, so, so we had the IPO priced at $23 a share that's the price of which Dutch bros sold it, sold shares to the institutions. Uh, then we have the open price at 32 50.That's the price at which the stock actually started trading. Uh, in today we are sitting at 53 times. Okay. So, so, so for, for any of those institutional investors who got in at 23, they've already more than doubled their money, uh, for anybody who got in, when the stock started trading at 32, you've already, you already have more than 50%.Um, so I mean, it's, it's definitely been a hell of a run for the, for the short lifespan as a public company. Yeah. I mean, look, I think any time you have an IPO and you're trading it right after, um, it's one of those things that you have to keep an eye on in your portfolio. Um, because, you know, th the IPOs tend to trade pretty volatile after, um, you know, in the months after.So if, if I have Dutch bros in my portfolio right now, look, I'm not selling it, but I'm going to be watching it like a Hawk. Yup. And they're asking for a tighter. Yeah. Um, we need a close up on loop. There we go. We're just going to do it like this. Okay. Um, let's grab first ticker out of the chat produce.Maybe I saw it. Well, I wanted to say I saw Marin earlier. It came in earlier. M R I N, and Luke, this is one, uh, I can share my screen and I can show my portfolio. I bought this stock yesterday. I'm up 20% on it. Let me find this one year chart daily candles that we're looking at right now, guys shows Zuma in producer AB rich Kaiser.Yeah, let's get it. These are daily candles, daily candles. What do you want? And here's here's five days. 10 minute candles. How's that? Uh, no, I want, I want the dailies, but I want it zoomed in on the last, like, say month or so. All right. Here are daily candles and you got about a month. Beautiful. Uh, yeah, I mean, it wasn't.So yesterday I was looking at the chart and the chart did look good to me. Like it, it, you know, it obviously had, um, it hadn't quite jumped up yet. So right now on the trade, it had jumped up. Not as much it as of right now, though. And on the trade I'm up. Let me check in my portfolio. Up 19%, Luke overnight 20% overnight, not an options trade just bought the stock and it happens to be up 20% today.Um, so let me know in the chat, is it time to sell? And, and so, so what is the company doing? Yeah, they do. And it's kind of a SAS company. Um, and they renewed a contract with Google. So the, you know, that obviously had a positive impact on, uh, on the, on the stock that they cause. So it bounced twice, which is honestly what I'm a little bit confused about.Cause I I've only seen the one news thing, so I don't know why it would bounce twice on two separate days off of one piece of news.You got some energy in it, baby. That's what it is. And shout out to Cameron Dolan. The chat is basically saying that if it holds up today, a stock looks good in his view. And I tend to agree with that. Right. We had that first pop. We had a hell of a sell off, off of the highs and now we're pretty much back up to those highs.Yeah. We're just kind of filling that gap, but, um, it is higher now. Uh, earlier today than it was on that previous peak. So it got to 9 93. Um, and now it's at 1127. So if we close above that, um, you know, previous, previous, I think we're in good shape and maybe a prudent shout out from Cameron in, in the chat saying, saying, don't make it binary.Don't make it. Should I buy or should I, should I hold? Or should I sell? You can sell half, right? You, you can start easing your way out of a position. And that might be the move. Yeah. What I say to you, Cameron is I like the way you think I'm going to go ahead and do that right now. As you can see here, I'll scroll down.History Benzinger article on there. Yep. Um, that's Randy Elias. I asked them today. Cause so, so Luke, we've talked about this before, how the whims came about was essentially Luke would be checking his portfolio and he would walk over to the news desk and say, Hey, Brent, um, you know, why is, why is my stock apple of 5% today?Or he'd say, Hey, Jason. Um, cause back in those days, Raz would, would work on the news desk like every day. And he would ask Raz like why his stocks were moving. So eventually we made a product out of, um, why it's moving. And I asked Randy kind of same thing. Like I was Luke, you know, however many years ago, that was, I was like, Randy, why is, why is Marin up 20% today?And you know, I was like, Hey, we should do a whim on it. So this is Randy. Shout out, Randy. History 22 hours ago, about $300 worth that's about 38 shares, 37.9 shares. So Cameron, what I am going to do is I'm going to sell 14 shares right now. Wait, no, I said, uh, 2019 I'll do 19 shares right now, but that's the.To sell 19 shares. So done. Thank you, Kevin, for the advice. Boom, boom. That's how we do on zinger nation. All right. Now you have proceeds. Let's roll it into something else. All right. Let me know what I should buy Fridays are for Yolo trades. I don't know if that's prudent advice lately, like selling half the position when you're already up, but typically by the time we get to Friday, I'm like so tired that I'm I'm in my Yolo trading ed.I gave another stock on get technical yesterday, which it probably wasn't the right show to give it on Luke because it wasn't based on technicals. It was based more on the fundamentals. Um, but that's FOC Fox FAC Fox F I want you to check out this because the company reported great earnings last report.Um, the stock has been really strong and I I'm looking for previous all-time highs in this trade. Okay. All right. Here's here's one, one here's one year chart, daily candles. Um, I don't know. I think it's fine. I think we just rip it. Like this is not just ripping it. I think we picked something that that's 40% today at high of day and you just load it.All right. I'll share. I'll share my sons. Find one. Damn why I in the chat, if anybody has symbols, top of mind that acting like that daily, daily movers, um, oh, no stop. I'm just going to use Benzinga pro for this. A E H R is the highest, the biggest mover today. You guys, you guys got that stock on this show at like $5, dude hit it.Let's go for a boy for a boy and high a day. We're all, all time highs. I'm going to buy some from all time highs. You're at high high a day. You're already up 36%. This exactly fits the profile for a Friday afternoon. Yolo trade volume. You're one of the last warm, warm weekends of the year. Let's do it.History five seconds ago, $200, 12 and a half shares of AHR. Shout out Ben of story trading. Um, yeah, so 12 and a half is weird. That would screw with me. I think I never bought a fractional share before. Isn't that weird ever? Never. Oh, well they didn't have it right when I started, it's like a new thing. I just always thought two or three years dollar amounts.Oh my God. We're already up. We were up bro, half a percent. I use it to pay down margin loans. Spencer Israel side said, said dividends for fractional shares. I told him I don't reinvest those dividends. He's a debate on my margin loans slowly, you know, work it down. Um, but all right, producer AB we have a very special in-office guest today.Yes, sir, Luke. Um, let's get to it. Uh, before we do, I have a quick little ad for our, uh, our swag that I want to play. We need, we need to send some more t-shirts out to the community. So if you want to get the swag I'll, I'll give you guys a little preview and I'll drop that link in the chat. Okay. What was that before?Do that pre preview the rest of our show as well. What else do we have on deck today? So we have obviously going to be checking in on your AHR trade. Yep. We will do that later in the show. We have Anthony Hughes join us. He is the founder and CEO of stocks, trading trouble. Tri stocks.com. Um, it is a new brokerage that has not yet launched, but it's taking signups on the waitlist.Um, so we'll bring him here. In-person Luke, very excited for this interview. Um, and then after that, we are going to talk about the big Bitcoin news in China, how, uh, China is cracking down on Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies and, uh, yeah, that should round out the. All right. All right. I'm producer AB ha ha.Give me a thumbs up if the audio sounds okay. We're trying something new. You guys hear you. Okay. But we got the thumbs up. All right. We have for the first time, in quite a while, maybe, maybe almost a year at this point in, in office guest. So, so, so Anthony, you came all the way out here from Iowa to visit us or maybe, or some other reason you're in town, but regardless you are here in Detroit, Michigan.How are you doing today? Man, get access to actual news and market research with all the information you need to invest smarter and profit faster. Start your free trial today@prodotbenzinga.com. I'm good man. First time in Detroit, um, I'm from the Pacific Northwest eventually, or, you know, whatever. Um, but uh, yeah man, first time in Detroit, um, I was great.Detroit's awesome. A nice little. But, uh, yeah, it's good to be out here, man. All right. So, so, so good. Give us a little bit of your background. Tell us about your, your trading, investing career. Any, anything else that that just helps us give us a little bit of context? Yeah, for sure. So, um, I mean, I'm a division one wrestler, so I love to compete, um, or former division I'm too old now, but, um, yeah, so I love to compete.So when I was in college, Kind of started trading, um, the, the old school OJI platforms. Um, and then Robin hood showed up on the scene, made it a lot easier for guys like us to start trading. And yes, I've been about trading for about a decade now, a self-taught YouTube kind of YouTube university kind of helped out with, with the trading.Learnings and whatnot, but, uh, yeah, so trading for about a decade management, all my own portfolios and funds and, uh, just love it. Absolutely love it. Okay. But, but, but then you said Robin hood is not enough, right? You, you mentioned that, that you were from like, you know, the, the traditional brokerage is you made the move to Robin hood, but then something happened where you said Robin hood is not enough and now you're, you're launching your own business.So, so tell us about that and why you're getting. Yeah, so, ah, fantastic question. Um, but, uh, so back in January, um, we all know the turmoil that happened in the markets. Um, and I was actually working on another software company at the time. Um, so stock trading is my fourth company and successfully exited two of them already.So it was working on another SAS product and. How's laying in bed, reading through Bloomberg and Benzinga and Yahoo finance, and all of a sudden you can't trade GameStop anymore. And I was like, ah, yeah, this isn't gonna, this isn't gonna work. There's a marketing issue here. And so it was like five 30 in the morning.So I wake my wife up. I was like, ah, Jill, I'm going to start another company today. She's like, no, please don't do that. Please just work on what you're working on. And, um, I was like, give me 36 hours. Let's see what else. And, um, so launch stocks trading with a landing page, uh, bought 500 bucks worth of Facebook advertising.And, uh, we had 1400 people sign up for the waitlist and about 30 hours. So, um, so stocks trading is, is what we're working on. Okay. All right. And, and, and one, I love how easy, like, like, you know, the CPC advertising makes it right where you can just throw something out there and quick get quick market feedback.Cause we, we love to do that as well when we're testing new products. Um, but, but, but tell us a little bit about the stock's trading experience. Like what, what, what should users expect? Um, you know, how are you going to be interfacing with the users? Yeah, that's fantastic. So, um, I think we need to start from kind of the unique value proposition that we have for, um, our users specifically.Um, we are attempting to create the first user owned financial platform, um, the first iteration of that big retail trading app. And, um, and that was pretty much the market sentiment at the time when everybody thought like these retail trading apps were kind of on the retail traders side, um, and then turns out.They weren't and like, and so when looking at the market, how we're going to build our go to market strategy, I was like, man, let's just, uh, let's give away 500,000 people shares of our company. And, um, and so that's literally what we're doing is we're giving away, um, about a quarter of our company right now, just to users so that we can.Always put our people first. Right. And that, that needs to be the sentiment of companies like moving forward. It's like when you. Your customers and your people first, they're going to be evangelists for you and they're going to be life long customers. And so that is literally our value proposition right now.And it kind of falls off of what Warren buffet has believed for forever. It's that shareholders make the best customers. Right. So what does Warren buffet do? He only drinks Coca-Cola he only eats dilly bars. He only buys his mattresses at Nebraska furniture Mart. I mean, so he is a consumer of the companies that he owns.And so with those, uh, kind of building blocks in place, giving shares away of our company, Putting our people first, uh, we're going to build a kick-ass company, man, and it's going to be for the people by the people. Okay. That's sweet. And I'm learning about this at the same time. That's all you, all of you guys are.So, so, so let me ask this in terms of the mechanism for, for users to get those shares, is it, uh, users who are on the waitlist? Uh, and then they go ahead and they create the account when available. Um, and then that's their, their gifted shares. Is it, is it basically work like that? Does everybody get shares in proportion?Uh, what, what exactly does that. Yeah. So, um, so right now, uh, w w our app, our trading platform will launch October 17th, knock on wood. Uh, that's what the engineers told me this week. Um, so in about a month in three and a half weeks, three and a half weeks. So, uh, we're, we're going to beta launch in about three weeks.And, uh, so right now, it's you gotta to try stocks.com. There's a button that says, join waitlist, get five free shows, throw it up, try, try songs.com. Um, join the wait list. There's no obligation. Um, we would hope that you download the app when it's ready, but, um, so during the waitlist, we're giving five shares away and, um, and then the mechanism that we will, the vehicle that we'll be using in order to give those shares away is through a share drop, um, on Republic.Um, so we're partnered with Republic, uh, to be able to administer those shares. And, um, yeah, so just join the wait list and then eventually download the app. You'll get, you'll get you. Um, and, uh, yeah, man, like that is literally what I'm dedicated to right now. It's building a good app and giving the shares away, so.Okay. And, and, uh, our users are going to be curious about the backend, right? Like, like who, who are you clearing through? Who, whose custodian the assets. Can you, can you talk us through that? Yeah. So, um, so we're a tech company, right? Um, we, we're not a broker dealer. And so when, um, when I launched the company back in February, um, for what I did, it would realize how much, like, how much you needed to like, be in compliance with regulations to start a trading company.Um, cause I was a SAS guy, not a FinTech guy. And um, so it was like, oh man, like there's a lot of stuff to do. So, um, so we are kind of using the neobank. To where, um, a FinTech company can essentially launch a bank account and be sponsored by bank or BB VA or something like that. Um, and so our sponsoring broker dealers, alpaca markets, and they're a San Francisco based API broker dealer.And, um, yep. You guys know them. Yeah. You guys know them well. And, um, and so the reason why we, we chose them was. I think what Robin hood did. And if we back up for a second to talk about how brokerages retail brokerages, 0% commission brokerages make money, is it. By order flow or by commissions, like, I mean, those are the only really two main ways to do it.And so that was a big, um, thing for me was when Parker partnering with alpaca, I needed to know exactly how they cleared. Right. And so, um, so instead of selling it to the same, uh, clearing firm, like Citadel or something like that, So that doesn't get us in trouble by saying that, but, um, but like they, they go by best bed only, and they had about seven different clearing houses that they go through.And so, so it's truly a, it goes with our ethos of, you know, trying to put the user in the customer first. Uh, but then eventually on our roadmap, we do have some aspirations. Uh, broker-dealer as well. So, um, but that's further down the line. That's the boring part, but the fun part is the tech side. Right?Building the application, figuring out what data to put in there, what the interface is going to be like. Yeah. Leave that to a backup and a huge shout out to alpaca. If you guys don't know them, uh, uh, they, they just had some news. They raised a pretty big round. I don't remember. It was like 75 million or something.Yeah. So you just raised a big round. And I remember this was, must've been probably three years ago, visiting their offices in, in, uh, Palo Alto. It was somewhere out there and it was like, like four people there, like total, you know, it was like two co-founders and when do software engineers and I'm like is ambitious what they're going after, but, you know, Hey, that's you best of luck and they're doing it.So, okay. All right. So, so, so, so that's the business. What about the stocks? You have favorite stocks on your radar right now? This is the trade idea shows. So you have to give us at least one,no one judged me for this. Okay. But I, uh, I just bought the massive dip on Virgin later. Or Virgin, sorry, Virgin galactic. So, um, so I'm, I brought the dip, um, let's see about three weeks ago, four weeks ago, and that, see that, that nice, that nice dip. Yep. Um, so bought it, I think it touched like 22 or something like that.Uh, bought it. So I'm not, um, I am a yellow. Just because I have to be stocks, trading, baby, like diamond hands to the moon. Um, but uh, I like Virgin galactic kind of long-term I love the billionaire space race right now. Um, I think there's a lot of momentum, um, but I'm also a, um, Alfa Dubai writes on everything I do.So, um, so I'll do covered calls. Um, I'll sell poets, um, to, to reduce my cost basis. And so that's what I'm doing on Virgin Atlantic or Virgin galactic because, um, li. Oh, yeah. You get super long. Yeah. I'll get along. Yeah. I'll get along. Yeah. Which I, I love the selling the puts because it at least reduces my cost basis while I'm waiting.Um, but I'll be like 10% under, like, you know, and if I get assigned on it, that's fine. And then we'll hit it again. So we'll, I'll dollar cost average, like, until it finally turns around and in his reversal. All right. I like it. Uh, what about GameStop? You long it still, or no, I got long again. For the first time in months, was it?I don't know if anybody in the chat remembers, but it was one or two weeks ago. Um, I had been out of it for awhile. I think I had the best game stop trade of anybody. I, uh, Got our game sub-story was crazy. So, so we had, when Andrew left from her, when he came out against the stock and I was like 40 bucks, he broke that news on this show, this show that we're doing right now, that's where he broke the news.And I saw so much energy flowing into like the chat that I'm like, okay, this is special. And that's what triggered me to buy the stock in the forties. Did I paper hands it? Yes. But my sale price was $420 in 69 cents. You're not going to get up at like six 15 in the morning. Like, like I, I checked my, my, my broker Jack.Pre-market like, when I got up, like, you know, like, like five 30 or something like that, I saw it was close through that limit on there, got in the shower. By the time I was out of the shower, filled it for 20, 69. It wasn't meant to be, but I'm, I'm long again, as of a couple of weeks ago, I'm back in the name.We're where are you at with it? And the chat hates that I'm in this stock too. They think it's all dead money. Well, I'm not, I can't comment on the dead money part because. I own a diamond hands company, but, um, yeah, I'm not in game stop. Um, I got out quite a bit ago. I'm still an AMC. Um, I hit AMC at like eight bucks, nine bucks.And I'm still riding that, um, with the, so the momentum trades are, or, I mean, it's, I don't know whether you call it momentum trades anymore. Just how many retail investors are behind these, but I learned my lesson with doge. Um, so I had doge for like six months. Um, I bought it at 0.0, zero 5 cents. There's five tenths of one penny.Um, and I held it and I was like, no, just us not leaving. And so I was like, I'm done, I'm out of it. I sold it January 21st of this year. Uh, Elon Musk tweeted like 47 seconds later and it, and it's been on a tear ever since. So I did learn my lesson with not sticking in with the means. Um, but once I hit a hundred percent, I'm out, I got to rotate to something else personally, but no, don't tell, don't tell that many people about it.So. Alright. And let's ask this one too, guys. Uh, let, let, let, let's get Anthony some help here. Uh, put in the chat. What is most important for you w with a, with a brokerage app? Right? So, so he he's building this thing actively right now. Like, I, I, this, this idea is coming from somebody in the chat said, please give us, it was, it was rich guys are said, please give us a little bit more charting power.Um, But, but guys drop in the chat. What is really important for you for, for your brokerage product and, and, you know, if we're all shareholders, maybe we band together and we start voting on these things. And there we go, um, back to the charting power. So some of that were engineering and I showed the team a little bit of the app.Maybe I'll send it over and we can throw it up sometime. Um, but what we're trying to balance. You got to give Robin hood props for building a absolutely beautiful product and business. I mean, you got to give him props, but from a charter, well, from a charting perspective, it's like, there's not that much.And then we will rolls out and they give a lot of charting, but it's hard to use or in the feels like trading view. Right. And so, so what we're trying to do is like take the design flawlessness of Robin. With overlay charting. So we're going to have Mac D and Bolinger bands and everything, but we're re we're reducing the amount of functional functionality you can actually do with the chart itself.And that kind of balance allows us to give more technical indicators without making an impossible to use. Um, and then secondly, kind of our roadmap, but you mind if I tell a little bit about the roadmap, um, We're going to launch, um, the trading up here in three weeks, hopefully. Um, but uh, on the roadmap, we're actually launching a neobank as well.So we are partnering with bank Corp to offer checking accounts, savings, accounts, debit cards, credit cards, personal loans. I mean like the whole gambit. Um, and then, um, Q1 Q2 of next year, we'll throw in portfolio management so people can, um, manage their HSA is 401ks IRAs in the platform as well. And we really want to build a super, a super app for, uh, for the re just the retail money manager themselves.Right. And that's kind of what we're calling ourselves now is like we're retail money managers. Like we're managing our own portfolio. We do the best. I don't have to pay somebody a percentage. Um, and you know, with partnerships like Benzinga and stuff, we can trade and train and educate, um, our people to, uh, to trade better.So, and then we'll get through a crypto wallet in there too, but that's next year. So. Okay. And what about this one? I, I see a lot of ideas coming in for, in here. Some more useful than others. Probably the most important one that I see is the confetti, the confetti animation. You know, I think that that one had to get taken out, unfortunately, when the IPO happened, but you know, users like the confetti, I showed the boys here at, uh, Benzinga last night, a little bit of the app.And when you execute a trade, it says, um, do you want to launch. And it's a rocket ship. And so the, so we actually built in an animation to where you swipe up to trade a rocket ship follows and then hits a moon. So we have like a moon that comes down and explodes the moon. So we couldn't do the confetti.I'm pretty sure there's a little design IP behind that, but, um, but the rocket into the, the rocket into the moon is what we have. Yes. Yes. I am all about the rocket. Yeah. All right. That's awesome. Um, it, any other questions you guys have for Anthony drop them in the. Um, uh, otherwise in any, any final words of wisdom for us, um, I guess wisdom be a smart trader, right?Like, um, and like that is what we're buy the stock sell puts, uh, you know, of course by the high of all time, hold it. Um, no, it's like, you know, when you hit 30, 40, 50% in gains, especially on these beam stocks, um, and this is what we're having to tell our community now. Is, um, eventually you got to take your profits, right?And so I liquidate liquidate, liquidate. If you're up a hundred percent, maybe reduce position by half rotate. I'm not a money manager. Right. But like, um, that, those are my words of wisdom. Right. And so, um, take your profits, have fun, continue to learn. Um, and they get on stocks trading. So. All right, guys, I'm gonna put the link in the chat.One more time. Really neat concept that giving the shares away to your users. I didn't know about that until just now. That's awesome. I'm all about it. Um, let me ask you one more, uh, Republic. Why why'd you choose Republic, uh, of all the platforms you could have partnered with for, for the. Yeah, great question.So, uh, we actually raised a small, um, pre-seed round on we funder. Um, and, uh, and so we have about 10,000 people on the wait list right now. And so, um, we want to be as community driven as possible, which is why we're going crowdfunding route. Um, we are trying not to. A single dollar from a VC. Um, this is like one of our tenants is like, we don't want investment banks.We don't want VCs because as soon as I put three VCs on my board, now I become beholden to the VCs instead of our users. And so a Republic has a very good track record with getting FinTech companies, launched crypto companies launched, um, and, and they also offer. A crowdfunding platform that offers a share drop.And so they're going to be facilitating the share job, allocating the shares to our users, uh, once they sign up for the waitlist and a, which that will be done at the end of October. So I would just fill it a filing the partnership with Republic right now. But, uh, yeah, so like they they're able to facilitate that shared route for us, which is why we essentially went with them.All right. That's awesome, man. I appreciate you stopping by. I appreciate you hanging out with us and the crowd that the chatters out there. Zinger nation is definitely a fan of the concept. Cool. Alrighty, sir. Appreciate you. Thanks you guys.That was Anthony Hughes of stocks trading. The link is in the chat. Please go check out the website and sign up if you have not already. Um, let's take a quick peek into my portfolio. We'll see how those trades are doing. Um, check in on AHR as well as Marin. Let's see. So Luke, I'm down about a percent and a half in Marin right now are not married.AHR, not worried about. Um, as Ben from story trading, Rowan, can I get the camera, the camera height right today? I mean, Jesus.All right. How about that one? That was a pretty cool concept. DV, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, I I'm, I'm all about it, Luke. I don't know. I don't know about you, but I might have to assign a sign up for an account and switch my Robinhood over. Okay. Yeah. Well, hopefully when you, uh, when this AHR. I mean, Ben said maybe, or what's the deal Cole.I just bought it about 20 minutes ago. Um, Ben settle on the show. He had a very hefty, ambitious price target of about $50. So honestly, if this, if this goes down a couple bucks, Luke, and I'm down, you know, so it's a swing trade. Do not let your swing trades turn into long-term investments, especially since I've peer pressured you into making.I will feel accountable. No, I mean, Hey, if $50 is in the future, I want to be. All right. If you say so, it will say, it looks like we might be, we might be getting some legs back in HR. Maybe you get some green candles going. Yeah, I need some green candles. Let's check back in on Marin, Marin software. M R I N um, up about 25% today, Luke.So definitely some you hit this one yesterday. Oh, well, Cole bought AHR at his at Ben's last interview at seven. Good. First I bought this one yesterday, Luke, there were a few factors that went into it. Rodrigo. I sold Marin because I didn't sell all my mare and I sold half of it. Um, because you already have 20% of the day, right.Someone told me to Cameron Dole told me to, and I said, Hey, he sounds smarter than me. So, um, I did it, um, Let me see what else is in my portfolio. That's moving in a day. Look, FUBU has just been a dog for me. People in that chat will probably hate on me for this. Cause I talk about absolutely 110% a, uh, but selling candidate.It is, it is let's zoom it out. So here's here's one year chart, daily candles to super, super tight range. Yeah. I w let's put that one on the books for next week. Maybe let's find some quotes that we can sell against. Yeah, I think last time we checked on it, there maybe just wasn't, uh, like that much premium that we'd be raising, but maybe, uh, you know, some the higher Vicks and applied Ivy that the premium will be good on those.I mean, I'm not out of this trade yet, but it's just been doing nothing for me. I mean, it's like Anthony was talking about with the OSHA and he said it was just ranged around for so long that he got bored of the trade, um, sold then as soon as he did it, it, it spiked. Um, all right. We can't see. What stock this is, but let me guess.So it said 1147. Um, give me an industry.Wait, what are we looking for? You have this stock, sorry. I just wasn't paying attention. We couldn't see the name of it. So I was going to guess I was asking for the industry, but, um, I don't know if I would have gotten that one. All right. Uh, what about the crypto market today? AB what. So China as has been typical China fashion for the past, you know, few months, um, you know, has been ramping up China's, uh, you know, regulation and involvement in, um, business in general.And so basically right now, China came out and said, uh, Holly was down to 1 45. I know it's it's, it's not, she, it, anybody inbox. I got out of my Baba trades. I'm still, I'm still looking. I might get into some leaps here soon. Dude, if you bought PABA three years ago, your break even let's look at how the numbers have changed over that same period of time.They've probably increased the revenue by a buck. So over that same three years, they've doubled revenue and the stock is flat. Uh, happy. My average for FUBU is yep. 29, 76. So I don't know. Did, I mean down 1300? I don't know where everybody's at on a Baba dude.Alright, Baba. One of you like it too, if you don't. I mean, this is so we're looking right now. This is a ten-year chart with monthly candles. Okay. So we're zoomed away. I mean, this thing is ugly. Bottom of range to support from three years ago. Matter sort of maybe, um, dude, I can't leave Bob. I was down to 1 45.I hadn't looked at it in a couple of weeks. I mean, last time I checked, it was still holding on around around 200 dropping another 25% on that shout out lava. Why do you like it too? You don't. I see a couple twos popping in there. Uh, Yeah, I think I'll get into a Baba trade at about 1 35, maybe one 30. So, so let's look at these Baba financials for a second.Let's do some, some quick valuation math. So net income on Baba 45. Uh, this is really inconsistent. This is tough. If you average these three quarters, what do you have? You have, uh, 1 25 by three. So doing $40 million of profit a quarter, roughly. So that's 160 million a year, or I'm sorry. 160 billion a year.The market cap is 400 million AB. So what is that 400 divided by one 60 stocks trading at two and a half times. P E. S and P averages is closer to what? Five, 10 S and P average, no way, way higher. You think talking about PE? Oh, okay. Not. Uh, price to, so, uh, Dan saying he loves Baba at one 20, I think, anywhere down there in that one 20 to 30.All right. So 34 that that's the average for the S and P 500 is, is 35, basically average PE ratio. Ali-Baba Xavier wants me to stop saying Ababa, but sorry, but Alibaba's at two and a half times, and that just shows the market sentiment on this. I think as soon as we see institutions willing to come in and take on the potential risk for this, for how crazy undervalued it is.No. Let's think about what that risk is like. What's the biggest risk. The biggest risk is it gets privatized right in, in, in everybody. Is Sol that's the biggest risk? Is that realistic? I don't know. The market seems like it's pricing in some of that. I w what other risks could there be like, could there be regulation that hurts their ability to sales?Maybe? I mean, I I'm, I'm in the boat that I think China long-term, we'll be doing, um, you know, Jack ma went missing. We, we, we don't know if it's the real Jack model that came back. Uh, and we, I heard him talk. I think we have, but there's like a bunch of rumors saying that they think it's like an actor playing Jack, Bob, but he's also breaking it up.That's one solar and UPSes to solar up is thrown out there. Yeah. I mean, there's an argument to be made loop that the potential risks, um, outweigh the potential, uh, for growth in this stock. I would however, be willing to take on that risk longterm. Um, because I think that China will be doing what it is and its power to become, uh, the economic kind of, you know, super power of the world.And I don't think breaking up it's big as company will be, um, you know, part of that plan, but we we'll see, do you have your brokerage account open? I don't. I do. Can you price me out? What are some one 20 December puts going $420 strike December. Um, one 20 let's do December 17th by puts one 20 puts are five, 10, $500.So $5 a share. Is that right? Can you zoom in again? Yup. I got a little.Normally the low on the, on the day for this contract was $4 and 91 cents. The high is $5 and 20 cents. So try to be a decent move. So you sell one contract. You're going to get $500 right away for selling the contract, right? $5 a share times at times, a hundred shares in a contract. So you get 500 bucks right away.Uh, as long as Ali Baba is above $115 on December 20th or whatever the date is that these contracts expire. Uh, you keep your 500 bucks and enrolled into something else. Bad case scenario. Let's say the stock goes down to 75. Right. I mean, that would be another halfing of, of where it is now that then you're on the hook for 70, you know, the 115 minus 75 times a hundred.So then you're on the hook for four GS, I think another way to play it, Luke would potentially be looking out to these very long-term. So others, this one's January 20, 20, 23. Um, so yeah, this is a year and a half away. Um, maybe like something like a $180 strike price it, or you could even go further. I mean, I can sort of get behind that.Okay. So, so let's think about this one. Hold on. I'm sitting down. So, so, so you're going away out to January 20, 23. So that's 15 months. Yep. Uh, You do go back to $18. What was that? 180 strike. A hundred lady strike is, is about, um, you know, it'd be about two grand to pick up this contract, but I mean, Luke, I would be so, so, so shocked if in a year from now Baba, isn't up to, you know, say $200 or so.Yeah. So you're paying two grand today. If the stock got back up to two 50, uh, then you make, make seven grand off your. That's not horrible. Yeah. I mean, we'll take that. We'll take, uh, you know, 300%, 200% any day of the week, I think. Uh, so a long time. So you're way out. It's not a 200% trade in among the one benefit to doing a trade like this compared to selling the puts is, you know, exactly how much you could potentially lose in the 1890.I mean, if for whatever reason, Baba just tanked and got below that $115 price, you would have to. Well, you'd have to buy a hundred shares at one to, to buy yourself out. Um, and for someone like me that has a smaller portfolio this way, I know exactly how much I would potentially be on the hook for. Um, and I would only do this if I was willing to take on, um, you know, about $1,900 worth of risk, um, for a potentially very profitable trade and think about too.How could you hedge it a little bit? Right. So, so you could buy those calls. Uh, that's risky too. And I was going to say, and you could also do like short something like a J D dot. Yeah, but I think all I'm using that one, another Chinese name, less volatility. I wouldn't short something like jd.com just because I think it's also gotten beaten down.Um, so I feel like if, if we have news, that's good for Baba. Baba is moving up that J D will probably as well. I'm thinking about it, like as, as a hedge and I mean, using the jd.com, because again, it's another Chinese tech giant, but less. Oh, I see what you're saying so that if there is more and more bad news than JD goes down and we're at least making some money off that, um, while our Baba call is getting smacked.Um, yeah, and I like STB CS recommendation. So, so rather than buying the calls AB and shelling out that, that 1900 bucks you could burn the money and be warm for about a minute. Yeah. I mean, that, that does provide some value. Um, I get behind that. I think there are other, you know, if you're not that risk averse, um, you know, there are other opportunities out there that will be not as risky.Um, but at the end of the day, some of the more risky trades to end up paying off in longterm, I'm not saying I'm going out and buy and Baba. But like I said earlier, if it gets down to the 120, $130 range, I'll be looking at contracts again. Okay. And hacks is throwing out another suggestion. This, this one, I th th this trade idea, I think is a little bit better than the STBC one use at $1,900.Don't buy the Baba calls and buy tacos,like ground beef. We talking chicken, pork taco, taco bell, for sure. 1900 tacos. Can we, um, what's the company yum. They own taco bell, right? Uh, it's sort of confusing. Uh, yum owns owns taco bell in certain geographies. I believe it operates through the following segments, KFC pizza hut, taco bell division habit, burger grill.I've never heard of habit for a good grill. Um, I don't know. I mean, this. Wow. It's been it's up over a hundred percent over the past year, or, you know, this symbol AB while we're on the topic you went on this one, what is it? Y U M C you know that one? Yum. See, oh, this one out China. Yeah. No, that key, uh, KFC is absolutely huge in China.I don't know why, but it is never been, everyone loves tacos. Yep. That's true. Yeah. I mean, yum. So, so here's the thing, Luke, look at this. So if I have, if I pull up the five-year chart, we can see right here where the COVID crash was and it got all the way down to $58 currently at 125. But even before COVID.I mean, it was at about 120 bucks and trading lower. I mean, it got all the way up to like way higher than its, uh, you know, pre COVID levels. And I think a lot of these fast food chains actually did pretty decent during COVID. Um, when people couldn't go sit down at restaurants and whatnot, you had food delivered.Um, so, so this could be interesting to me because if you think about it, if we go into another lockdown, they're going to be better off then, you know, we're not locking down again. I don't think, I think no way in hell. I, I think so either, but that's also good news for the stock that we're doing fully vaccinated.AB I am. I wonder where the chat is that people might not like this. I'm curious, the country's vaccine. Now I would guess the chats about 50, 50, I guess, about 55. If you want to vote, we're going to make you vote on stocks. We won't make you vote on this one. One, if you are too, if you're not, I was a holdout, but eventually got it.My point, uh, that I was going with Lucas that I think that I think yum is kind of insulated from any like coronavirus fears because w you know, everything goes, according to plan, people are going to be going out more, spending more money at drive-throughs. Um, and if something does happen, they're going to be in a better position than some of the relatives.Wow. This chat is exactly 50 50.It's boring to be Friesen too, but I have COVID born and I hope everything's okay in the comment right before that is one, but very Anthony mandate. Yeah. That's kind of where I stand too. I think it's very silly. Um, any mandate? I think, uh, obviously companies have a right to. Uh, you know, do like set any regular.Yeah. In addition to being tired, I'm all about private enterprise. Do it, do what you will. There are choices. I don't think like the New York city one, like, I'm totally against that. Like, I don't think cities or state entities, um, should be Amanda mandating max vaccines. But I think people that are upset that companies do it.It's like, look, companies do what they want. You know, you don't know if they brought that shit to Michigan, wholly. Oh, people would burn the state down. Yes. People would riot. Uh, no. It's producer AB yeah. I mean, that would really all let us know in the chat while you're watching today. I had my eyes on the cryptocurrency at large, obviously with the China news, not great.Um, you know, China outlawing cryptocurrency as a whole, I don't know. Uh, so, so in China, there's a funny, I just got a text message from. I mean Uber user, I've never been a driver, uh, asking if I sit, inviting me to be an Uber driver. I wonder if the store, I mean, we're struggling with drivers right now, which could potentially drive up prices of Uber's if there's a shortage of supply.Um, so I don't know. I don't, I hate Uber stock. I just absolutely hate it. We never traded it before. I just. I don't like it. I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan of any of 'em. Oh, grub hub. Isn't a stock anymore. They're like sold to just eat takeaway, um, dash I don't like any of these companies that are essentially, you know, what a stock I love that we haven't talked about in forever.The most tried and true steady grind stock of all time. Apple game stop. No, I'm just kidding. We haven't talked about it in awhile. Uh, for. No tried and true. Uh, I mean, apple would be my guess, put it up. I'm not even looking at them. I'm looking at my brokerage. Uh vis-a-vis. It just grinds man. And it pays a dividend to the reason why I'm bringing them this one up now is I was just looking through it through my brokerage account of looking at what's up and down.We haven't talked about this one for a while. It pays a dollar 20 a year dividends, not like it's a huge dividend. But it's just one of those stocks that I've owned forever plan on continuing to own forever. This is a five-year charter, zoom it out more. This is a ten-year chart. I mean, there's no quick rips or depths.We had that COVID of course, but generally speaking, I mean, it is a very study stock. It's a highly embedded stock, right. It's tough to work out of the economy. Um, you know, people are going to say crypto could be the thing that would, but I mean, come on, but let let's, let's give it a little bit of time there.Um, But, but visa. Great, great, great stock to sell. Puts against as well study income. You don't get a ton for selling the puts, but again, if you could assign the shares, uh, you're buying the stock below whatever it was trading at whenever you sold the puts and, and you're owning a very, very steady tried and true stock it's is a core holding in my brokerage core holding and we never talked.I mean, yeah. I think the, the, the credit card industry has been huge. We'll see a lot of these continue to grow. Um, why do you prefer visa compared to some of its competitors? I see MC in their MasterCard. No, no reason to tell you the truth. Okay. Now I have the reason look at this. So here's the 10 years.Oh, I didn't hit, see, wait, what's mastered. Oh wait. Oh, I'm a that's right. I'm a very similar chart. No reason. I guess, to tell you the truth visa is a stock that visa or MasterCard. I don't know. I think it would be so let's see. I think I have both. I got two. I have a work card and a personal card on me.Yeah. Both visas. Wow.I have a master Sarabi when we go to Orlando on the eighth. So does that two weeks from today. All right guys, two weeks from today, producer at AB and I are going to hang out in Orlando for a few days. You all should seriously consider coming. It's going to be a lot of fun in twit. Ju Jonah Lupton. It's taken us two.Wait, is it over a weekend? Yeah. Frick. Yeah. Yep. Friday to Sunday. Exactly. We're going to get in Friday night and come home Sunday night. So I'm saying everybody should come hang out with us. Uh, but, but you want to be fun. AB is I've been banking, credit card points, all of COVID. We should just blow them all in, in this, this 48 hours.Can they be just on like $3,500 of points? Will you get the bus flight around and then we'll get the, yeah, we'll get a suite hotel room. Anthony. Anthony will be there. Anthony, let us know. Um, anyone who's planning on going, uh, shoot us an email@showsupbenzinga.com and I'll make sure I pack a bag of swag.Um, yeah, there you go. Yes. Even if you're not just registering now, please email sh uh, power. No, do let's do power hour because I'm on that one. Female power hour happens in the.com. Both a and I. Um, I just don't want to overload your inbox, but I got to make sure with Luke beforehand, that I'm good to, uh, you know, check a bit or I can't, what if the only thing I bring down Luke is like a carry on full of Benzinga swag.And then I don't have anything, any, any room left for my own gear. I'm fine with that. And if anybody has feedback for Benzing, I'm dropping a number in there as well. Uh, you know, go ahead and get that number of. Um, and share any feedback you have for us, but our AB our time has come to an end. Our time has come to an end coming up.We have get technical, uh, mark Petrino the D. Of Benzinga trading school is going to be joining us. If you haven't heard about Benzinga trading school, stick around, um, to get technical, we're very excited to launch this, um, and we want you to be a part of it. So we will get that going on. Get technical right now without further ado.Oh, here we go. Trading school dude starts next Monday. Drop that in that I'm putting the link in the chat, right? College style lessons for trading it's it's kind of damn. And I pasted the wrong link. It's the first time we're doing education. It's going to be college style curriculum. I'm a 110% in. Yep.All right. Well, well, if you want to learn more about it and how to get a great deal, uh, as part of the inaugural class, maybe a, a fancy little Benzinga diploma, join us on, get technical. We're going to go ahead and start. Right.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/zingernation-power-hour/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy