Podcasts about Pine Knob

The Storm Skiing Journal and Podcast likes it when ski areas are run by people who are good at running ski areas. Please subscribe to the email newsletter to get new posts the moment they're live. Thank you for supporting independent ski journalism.About CamelbackOwned by: EPR Properties, managed by Peregrine Hospitality (formerly KSL Resorts)Located in: Tannersville, PennsylvaniaYear founded: 1963Pass affiliations:* Ikon Pass: 7 days, no blackouts* Ikon Base Pass: 5 days, holiday blackoutsClosest neighboring ski areas: Shawnee Mountain (:24), Jack Frost (:26), Big Boulder (:27), Skytop Lodge (:29), Saw Creek (:37), Blue Mountain (:41), Pocono Ranchlands (:43), Montage (:44), Hideout (:51), Elk Mountain (1:05), Bear Creek (1:09), Ski Big Bear (1:16)Base elevation: 1,252 feetSummit elevation: 2,079 feetVertical drop: 827 feetSkiable Acres: 166Average annual snowfall: 50 inchesTrail count: 45, with three new trails for 2026-27 (not on the map below, but discussed on the podcast)Lift count: 12 (1 high-speed six-pack, 1 high-speed quad, 1 fixed-grip quad, 2 triples, 2 doubles, 5 carpets – view Lift Blog's inventory of Camelback's lift fleet)For reference:The Zoom transcript (click “transcript” above for the Substack transcript, then click on any text block to teleport to the associated point in the video; timestamps below DO NOT MATCH THE VIDEO)00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:37.000Stuart Winchester: Welcome to The Storm! I'm your host, Stuart Winchester. Today is Wednesday, September 16th, 2026, and I've got a really good show for you today.00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:45.000Stuart Winchester: we're going to talk some Pennsylvania skiing. And Pennsylvania skiing is a really interesting thing. As I travel around the country.00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:56.000Stuart Winchester: and ski at all these different places in the Midwest, and out West, and in New England, and in the Mid-Atlantic. Uh, and as I talk to folks who… who don't ski that much, or only ski at the big mountains.00:03:56.000 --> 00:04:05.000Stuart Winchester: I'll often bring up some experience I had at a Pennsylvania ski area. Pennsylvania has quite a few ski areas as 21.00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:20.000Stuart Winchester: public chairlift-served ski areas, and it does 2.6 million skier visits on average per year. That is more than any state except for Colorado, California, Utah, Vermont, and New York.00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:26.000Stuart Winchester: It's more than Washington, it's more than Oregon, it's more than Montana, it's more than New.00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:39.000Stuart Winchester: So, Pennsylvania is a really important ski state, which is probably why Vail Resorts owns 8 ski areas there, because it is really close to a lot of population centers. In western PA, you have Pittsburgh.00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:54.000Stuart Winchester: and Seven Springs, and Laurel, and Hidden Valley, and then you have Philadelphia on the east side, and you can also draw up from Baltimore and D.C. for Round Top and Whitetail. And uh…00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.000Stuart Winchester: And Jack Frost's Big Boulder up in the Poconos. So…00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:00.000Stuart Winchester: Vail has a big presence there.00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:15.000Stuart Winchester: Icon has a presence there with Camelback and Blue Mountain. Uh, and then Indy Pass just signed their 8th ski area in Pennsylvania with Spring Mountain, uh, down near Philadelphia. So, so it's, it's a place where a lot of skiers start.00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:19.000Stuart Winchester: And it's a little bit of a funny place to ski, because…00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:29.000Stuart Winchester: it tends to have an outsized number of novice skiers, which is great. They're very good at doing that. Uh, but it can make it a little chaotic.00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:38.000Stuart Winchester: And the lift lines can get a little crazy, and people are all over the hill, and sometimes they're walking down the hill because they're frustrated and they're giving up.00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:40.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, and…00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:44.000Stuart Winchester: You take that as your baseline in Pennsylvania.00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:49.000Stuart Winchester: And you had any sort of complications.00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:54.000Stuart Winchester: And things get out of hand really quickly. And in general.00:05:55.000 --> 00:06:00.000Stuart Winchester: For that reason, the ski areas that have survived in Pennsylvania.00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:07.000Stuart Winchester: are among the best operators in the world, and I would put that up against anyone.00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:14.000Stuart Winchester: It's a very, very challenging environment, not only because you have a high number of novice skiers.00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:17.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, but also because you have…00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:31.000Stuart Winchester: not a ton of snow, sometimes in the west part of the state, where there's higher elevation, they do get a lot of snow, but… but not as a rule, you couldn't count on it for natural snow. Uh, you get a lot of rain, you get a lot of warm-ups.00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:35.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, and… and you, in general, have to rely on…00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:42.000Stuart Winchester: a very short season, generally mid-December-ish to mid-March-ish.00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.000Stuart Winchester: And the skiers there…00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:52.000Stuart Winchester: They're they're accustomed to a pretty high standard, so.00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:57.000Stuart Winchester: So when things do get out of control, uh…00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:04.000Stuart Winchester: They really rebelled, and they really noticed. So, a couple years ago, this is what happened at Camelback. So, Camelback…00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:09.000Stuart Winchester: You know, I don't generally do ops stories, uh…00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:10.000Stuart Winchester: You know.00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:19.000Stuart Winchester: ski area didn't groom this run, or they haven't opened this lift, or, uh, you know, they usually let this bump up, but they don't, or, or…00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:27.000Stuart Winchester: you know, they… they are trying to save money, or they're being cheap. I generally don't bother with those, even though I get a lot of messages.00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:32.000Stuart Winchester: Complaining about things like that, because there's almost always a pretty good reason.00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:38.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, and it's almost always temporary, and it's really not worth the effort.00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:48.000Stuart Winchester: to write the story if I'm just writing about, you know, why Stratton or Mount Snow or Magic Mountain didn't open a certain lift on a certain day.00:07:48.000 --> 00:08:04.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, it's, it's a lot to track down and it's a lot of, uh, this person said this and the other person said that. It's just not the kind of thing that I'm want to cover with the storm, right? I want to do bigger stories. I want to do trend stories. I want to look at the culture and evolution of skiing.00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:11.000Stuart Winchester: And the passes, and all the infrastructure, and all the fun stuff. So I don't generally cover the day-to-day stuff, just because…00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:18.000Stuart Winchester: The ski areas that remain in 2026 are, for the most part, run by really good operators.00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:32.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, it… because… and they've survived. Most of the bad ski areas that were either mismanaged or were in the wrong places, they went out of business a long time ago, which is why the number of ski areas has been stable for around 25 years now in America.00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:35.000Stuart Winchester: So I but I started to notice.00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:45.000Stuart Winchester: several years ago that I was getting an outsized number of complaints around one ski area in particular in the Poconos.00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:47.000Stuart Winchester: And it was Camelback.00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:51.000Stuart Winchester: And Camelback had a long history of being an independent.00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:52.000Stuart Winchester: And…00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:54.000Stuart Winchester: Really…00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:59.000Stuart Winchester: the way it's been described to me by… by season pass holders, and I've skied…00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:04.000Stuart Winchester: some at Camelback, but I don't have that depth of knowledge of having grown up there.00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:20.000Stuart Winchester: That Camelback for a long time, for decades, set the standard on snowmaking, on grooming, on just general maintenance of lifts in the ski area in the Poconos. And that was why they had chosen to ski there all those years.00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:30.000Stuart Winchester: But things had started to fall apart when a new owner showed up in 2019. It was at the time KSL Capital, who was.00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:43.000Stuart Winchester: was managing it for EPR Properties, which is the entity that bought it, and they own a bunch of ski areas, EPR Properties, including a bunch owned by Vail, including North Star, and a lot of the old Peak Resorts in Ohio and such.00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:50.000Stuart Winchester: And KSL Resorts was a division of KSL Capital.00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.000Stuart Winchester: which is a part owner of Altera.00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:58.000Stuart Winchester: But for some reason, Altera, which is very good at running ski resorts.00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:00.000Stuart Winchester: did not…00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:15.000Stuart Winchester: get assigned as the… as the owner of Camelback. And when KSL Resorts purchased Blue Mountain, not in Ontario, the Blue Mountain in Pennsylvania, that's about 45 minutes from Camelback, two years later, in 2021.00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:26.000Stuart Winchester: That ski area also did not fall under Altera's ownership. And it was an odd choice to make, because Altera's really good at running ski areas, and they run…00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:35.000Stuart Winchester: Mammoth, and Deer Valley, and Steamboat, and Solitude, and Palisades Tahoe, and Stratton, and Sugarbush, and they definitely have.00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:41.000Stuart Winchester: the institutional knowledge and internal firepower to be able to run these ski areas in the Poconos.00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:43.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, Blue Mountain…00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:47.000Stuart Winchester: Had the benefit of a long time tenured management team.00:10:47.000 --> 00:11:02.000Stuart Winchester: That kept the place, by all accounts, running pretty well. Camelback, on the other hand, seemed to be falling apart before our eyes, and before the eyes of the loyalist skiers who loved the place so much. And they were really, really concerned, and I started to…00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:08.000Stuart Winchester: Because they had put, uh, a management team in place, it seemed.00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.000Stuart Winchester: that…00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:22.000Stuart Winchester: was not familiar with the… with the inner workings of a ski area. Uh, I… I hosted Dave Makarski, the former general manager of Kalenbach, on this podcast.00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:33.000Stuart Winchester: and very nice guy. We had a great conversation. Uh, he's not a skier. And, and, you know, sometimes you can be not a skier and run a great ski resort. Uh, look at Bill Stritzler up at Smuggler's Notch.00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:43.000Stuart Winchester: Bill hasn't skied in years, and he snowboarded for a little bit, but he's not a daily skier. Look at Shawnee.00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:54.000Stuart Winchester: that where the owner… that's one of the most modern, nice ski areas in the Poconos, uh, and the owner has not skied in decades. So, so it's not always necessary, uh, but…00:11:55.000 --> 00:12:10.000Stuart Winchester: It does help and it's certainly a benefit. So everyone I talked to, I was, I was gathering all this stuff for a story and I was gonna write about Camelback and, and it, it really seemed like it was the worst run ski area anywhere that I could find based on the amount of feedback I was getting.00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:25.000Stuart Winchester: I was gathering all this feedback from all these long-time pass holders, and then they hired a new general manager, and so I scrapped the story, but I still wanted to get it, and by all accounts, Jason Bays, who I'll bring on the podcast in a moment.00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:34.000Stuart Winchester: has really done a nice job of turning CamelBak around. So, so let's go to Jason now.00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:16.000Stuart Winchester: My guest today is the Vice President and General Manager of Camelback Ski Area in Pennsylvania.00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:26.000Stuart Winchester: Camelback runs six chairlifts, or maybe seven. I might have had a typo there. Serving 45 trails on an 827-foot vertical drop.00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:41.000Stuart Winchester: Prior to taking the top job at Camelback, he was general manager for Great Wolf Resorts around the United States. He also spent time as chief operating officer and general manager of Mountain Creek Ski Area in New Jersey and director of operations.00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:54.000Stuart Winchester: for Jay Peak, Vermont. His very first jobs as a teenager were as a lifeguard and ski instructor at Camelback. Jason Bay is my guest. Jason, welcome to the Storm. Awesome to have you. How you doing today?00:14:53.000 --> 00:15:00.000Jason Bays: Thank you, Stuart. Great to be here. I've been a listener from day one, so excited to join you.00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:14.000Stuart Winchester: I love that. I'm so hyped to hear that. I know I started with a little Northeast focus. You know, you're the… you probably know this already, but you're the second straight guest I've had on. There was a Mountain Creek alum, Chris Haggerty, on yesterday. Are you acquainted with Chris?00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:18.000Jason Bays: Yeah, Chris and I worked together, um, back in our days at Mountain Creek, great guy.00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:33.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, yeah, I'm, uh, I'm not sure, I'm sure you're aware I'm based in New York City and Mountain Creek is one of my go-tos and, and was my home mountain before I started traveling all over the place for the storm. So, so, you know, Jason, I, I think it's awesome that you grew up at Camelback. Tal.00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:41.000Stuart Winchester: your childhood Camelback. What was the kingdom of Camelback like to you, uh, when you were growing up skiing there?00:15:40.000 --> 00:16:03.000Jason Bays: Yeah, look, I, you know, took, I grew up in Pocono Kid, born and raised 10 minutes from the resort. After school ski program was the first, you know, first sort of foray into life at Camelback and was immediately hooked in the summer as a swimming pool and two water slides. I thought that was the most awesome place in the world too.00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:45.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:55.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:04.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:21.000Jason Bays: And my parents thought it was a great babysitting service, you know, relative to that. So it was just an awesome, awesome place to grow up and, you know, be part of the small but mighty ski community that is Tannersville, Pennsylvania, in this area, in the Poconos.00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:39.000Jason Bays: um, you know, when it came to get a first job, uh, there's no place I was, uh, gonna consider other than Camelback. It's where all my friends were, it's where we all hung out all the time, and, um, you know, really just got introduced to, uh, to the sport, and, um, had some freedom. It was the first time I had some freedom, and it was to be at Camelback, so that's.00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:29.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:56.000Stuart Winchester: So you worked there, and you were part of the machine, so to speak, and I realized you were sort of on the peripheral of the machine, as opposed to in the center of it, as you are now. But, you know, you grew up in the Poconos, and had that experience, and you had this vision of Camelback in your head, right? Then you went off and had a big life, as…00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:57.000Jason Bays: Yes.00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:00.000Stuart Winchester: as people do, and you went and worked at all these places that I just mentioned.00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:03.000Stuart Winchester: And then you came back to Camelback.00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.000Stuart Winchester: When you, when you arrived.00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:10.000Stuart Winchester: How had the place changed? And I just want to tee this up. I, you know.00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:19.000Stuart Winchester: before you came on, I was talking about how I don't generally write operations stories, right? Because it… there's usually a good reason for why a trail is closed, a lift's not running.00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:26.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, but a few years ago, I started to get an outsized number of complaints about Camelback.00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:38.000Stuart Winchester: And so I started to write a story about it, and then when you came along, I shelved it, because honestly, everyone immediately was like, oh, this is so much better. So, you know, how had…00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:41.000Stuart Winchester: Camelback changed.00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:42.000Stuart Winchester: when you…00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.000Stuart Winchester: Came back to work there.00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:51.000Stuart Winchester: And what were the challenges facing the resort? What did you focus on immediately?00:17:50.000 --> 00:18:08.000Jason Bays: Yeah, I'll just back up to say, you know, just to contextualize, um, from when I was there as a teenager and, um, through college on the ski team, too, I would say that community was a really big word, um, that was used all the time. You, you felt like it was, it was the Camelback community, and there's a really big emphasis on the ski product.00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:28.000Jason Bays: Um, as a ski instructor, like, what we were putting out, how we were doing lessons, how many lessons we could do, and the experience that was surrounding that. And same thing on the water park side. And, you know, I think the, um, you know, some of the observations, um, coming back to Camelback was, um, I think there's a little bit of focus, um, focus direction for, for, like, to focus on the ski product.00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:44.000Jason Bays: and focusing on the water park product, and I sort of look at it as, like, a… as Disney World, right? Whereas we fill out… if we do the ski part well, we do the snow tubing part well, we do the water park well, that puts heads in beds, um, versus trying to put heads in beds.00:18:44.000 --> 00:19:01.000Jason Bays: And then have them do the activities. We're leading with an activity front and centered focus. And that means making the strategic investments in the ski product, in our recreational product, and making that the very best that it can be.00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:23.000Jason Bays: back in 2008 when I was here as a teenager, that was all there was. There was no hotel product, right? So the ski product got outsized attention just naturally because it was a 560-acre resort that identified as a ski area and a water park. And I think some of the context that was missing was that while there's been a great evolution of Camelback as a four-season resort.00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:16.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:40.000Jason Bays: It's really important that, to me, that each of those business units gets the time and attention that they would deserve if they were stand-alone units, particularly because a cog… it's a cog in the wheel, and that wheel is… it's a flywheel. It needs to… it all needs to turn at once, and so we lead with.00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:43.000Jason Bays: the recreational offerings first.00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:48.000Stuart Winchester: You know, you mentioned the community, and I wasn't aware…00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:59.000Stuart Winchester: that there was such a strong community around Camelback, and I'm not surprised, because most ski areas have that group of folks who, you know, they're retirees, and they boot up at 8am, and they take runs together.00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:14.000Stuart Winchester: But they were really passionate, and the running theme, Jason, in the emails and messages that I got from Camelback locals was that they loved Camelback. It wasn't that they hated Camelback, they hated to complain about Camelback.00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:18.000Stuart Winchester: They wanted to love it, but they couldn't. There was there was.00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:34.000Stuart Winchester: a lot of things they cited, uh, not making snowmaking when it's cold, understaffed grooming, uh, missed lift inspections. I don't know if this is true. This is what people were… they were reaching, I think, for answers. Uh, put it all together, and there was… it was definitely…00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:47.000Stuart Winchester: seemed as though the ski product was not the focus. So when you came in, what did you focus on right away and say, okay, this is what we gotta change, you know, we have to cover every trail 100% right away, or whatever it was?00:20:47.000 --> 00:21:09.000Jason Bays: Yeah, I think that's, look, I would start, you hit the nail on the head that there's a very passionate skiing community here at Camelback and in the Poconos and it means a lot to people. This is second, third generations that are learning to ski here, bring their families here and be part of this. And to your point, everyone wants to be prideful of Camelback, right?00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:24.000Jason Bays: This was the, this was family run for a really long time and, you know, very focused on sort of the, you know, season pass holders renewing year after year.00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:40.000Jason Bays: You know, a couple of things. One is I think that how we authentically tell our story isn't done in a way that is, you know, is done in a way that's authentic. A, bringing back the Camelback Mountain Facebook page that communicated ski related content.00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:39.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:21:40.000 --> 00:22:06.000Jason Bays: Right? I think that, you know, there's only so many things you can say about a hotel room and how exciting it is. Like, we really lead now first with authentically telling the story. Our snow report got a lot more detailed, gave granular information as to what was going on. So, you know, did we have a perfect winter last winter? By all means, no, but we communicated that authentically. And where we messed up, we took.00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:23.000Jason Bays: the blame for it, and said, hey, we didn't get this right, and where we were working to improve the experience, we communicated that… communicated that story. So, to me, it started from a communication standpoint, that we were authentic, that we were honest, that we were truthful, and that we were communicating on a medium that.00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:31.000Jason Bays: our guests would see, um, and relate to. So I think a big miss was, I think, admittedly, a big miss was removing the, um, Camelback Mountain.00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:53.000Jason Bays: social media pages, um, and bringing those back were really important so that, um, we could tell the story authentically. I think SKUs really appreciate, um, knowing what's going on, and to your point on, hey, there's sort of this rumor flying or that rumor flying, um, you know, we were able to, uh, sort of hone in and, and tell, tell that story. Secondarily, I think from an infrastructure standpoint.00:22:53.000 --> 00:23:09.000Jason Bays: um, we really needed to make sure that we had, um, the right team in place. And we have an amazingly talented team at Camelback, um, but we did not have key positions filled, um, in certain areas. Um, and so, we bolstered up the snowmaking. Snowmaking team went from.00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:05.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:08.000Stuart Winchester: Like, what areas?00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:30.000Jason Bays: you know, 3 to 4 to 30, um, this past winter, um, that makes a big difference, right? Our trail rollout was, um, you know, first to open in the East, uh, for Pennsylvania, um, and, uh, um, and, and focus on the core products. Um, same thing with lift operations. We brought in a really experienced lift, uh, maintenance manager.00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:13.000Stuart Winchester: Hey!00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:14.000Stuart Winchester: Wow.00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:16.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:21.000Stuart Winchester: Yep.00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:46.000Jason Bays: Um, to our team that really helped, um, support our Lyft, um, uh, operation. Um, decisions on when Lyfts ran and what time they ran, uh, you know, our thought was, let's, um, be more… like, you have to run the Terrain Park Lyft every day.00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:47.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:23:46.000 --> 00:24:06.000Jason Bays: to me, that's a commitment. We make that every day. We say we're running the Glen Lift every day. It services great novice terrain. It services the train park. And so, looking at the operational plan and saying, okay, what are ways that we can give back, you know, and make deposits back to our skiers? And in turn.00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:24.000Jason Bays: that builds momentum, right? People talk, and, like, the ski community is so connected, right? It's like, if you do something, like, people find out about it, because they're really, you know, they hear about it. And so, for us, focus on the core business was, um, you know, from a ski standpoint, was really important, and the infrastructure.00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:13.000Stuart Winchester: Right.00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:41.000Jason Bays: to be able to do it. And I would just, lastly, just say I go back to making sure that our team had the resources to do their job. We're supported, we're empowered, collaborative leadership, you know, we sat around the table and said, this is the operating plan, this is what we're going to do for our guests.00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:46.000Jason Bays: And then go out and execute it to the best we can.00:24:45.000 --> 00:25:03.000Stuart Winchester: You know, Jason, I, I, I think you could have run for governor with one of the first things that you did, which was get rid of paid parking. I, I, I don't think that I've ever, uh, heard people happier about anything. Now, now, and let me, let me qualify this, right? I think in, in some instances, paid parking and parking reservations.00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.000Stuart Winchester: make sense.00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:18.000Stuart Winchester: you know, super high volume days. Arapahoe Basin, I think, is a model in Colorado where they only charge for certain days and certain times, and they keep backing off which days as they learn when they really need it. Camelback was charging every day.00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:36.000Stuart Winchester: All day, you know, a Monday with, you know, 10 people on the mountain, they were charging for it. And, you know, acknowledging that sometimes it's appropriate, I think Camelback got pretty out of hand with it, and when I had Mr. Markowski on the podcast, great guy, we had a great conversation, but he was not backing off that. He said, nope, paid parking.00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:51.000Stuart Winchester: we're all in. You said no. So talk about that and how you sold. I'd imagine it was a revenue stream, right? And you had to sell management on that, and I don't know if I'm giving you credit for something someone else did, but talk to us about parking and the evolution there.00:25:51.000 --> 00:26:12.000Jason Bays: Yeah, that was a week one decision from the Camelback team when I got here made from our leadership team at Camelback that everyone was in alignment on our senior leadership team here at the property and myself to remove the paid parking. And I think definitely there's actually you have so many nice pictures behind you.00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:30.000Jason Bays: I have a picture of the old paid parking sign behind me there, if you can see it on the corner, and it actually serves to me as a reminder of the guest experience, because someone's put a sticker on that paid parking sign that you probably can't see there, but it says, Ski Camelback, we're not happy until you're not happy.00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:19.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:48.000Jason Bays: Um, and it's a reminder to, to me and our team, um, that we're here to have fun, and we're here for the guest experience, and we're here to live, live and breathe fun Camelback style. This is not a, um, you know, we want guests to look forward to, to being here. And I think, you know, yes, there was.00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:38.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:26:48.000 --> 00:27:05.000Jason Bays: So obviously we ran a financial model. We didn't just, you know, get rid of paid parking and not assume, you know, that there wasn't some revenue to be recaptured elsewhere with a strategy to do it. But I think more importantly, you know, think about it.00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:22.000Jason Bays: a non-busy day, it might even be raining, it's 40 degrees, the last thing you want is someone running around a parking lot telling you, like, hey, I need you to hand over $15, and by the way, then you're gonna schlep your stuff up two different levels of parking, um, you know, that might be even charged higher, and then get to.00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:38.000Jason Bays: uh, the mountain and go to guest services. You know, I have a 3-year-old. If my wife and I went skiing, that would be an incredible amount of friction, um, just to get to, uh, the front of the mountain. And so I think putting ourselves in the guest lens of saying, is that really what we want the guests to experience?00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:30.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:53.000Jason Bays: Um, it's not, and, and it was a burden to everyone at this, you know, you think I'm talking about, we talked to frontline associates too, like, the first thing that they had to tell people was that they had to pay for parking. You just imagine, sort of, the cascading effect that, that, that, uh, that that had, and we said, look, is there.00:27:53.000 --> 00:28:09.000Jason Bays: Um, is there a better way? Um, can we run shuttles to these lots and pick people up and bring them to the mountain and make them feel, um, you know, like our valued… like our valued guests? What does that arrival experience look like? Um, you know, that's really what we… what we looked at, and then said, okay.00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:25.000Jason Bays: can we… ultimately, will we drive more volume here? Will more people come because of a better guest experience? And I'll say that I would rather grow the sport, grow the industry. Our team would rather grow the sport and grow the industry than figuring out how to.00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:35.000Jason Bays: You know, sort of, you know, run a secondary ancillary business that's not to our core product and what we want our guests to experience here.00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:48.000Stuart Winchester: You know, it's a little counterintuitive, but sometimes, by removing a revenue stream, you get that less-is-more effect. Another example, your season pass, you know, according to my records.00:28:48.000 --> 00:29:04.000Stuart Winchester: Starting in 2020 to ‘21, the season pass was $599 at its early bird price, and it hovered between that and $649 for the next five years. This year, you put it on sale for $399. It's still at that price for unlimited Camelback.00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:20.000Stuart Winchester: That's a great bargain for, uh, for a season pass on the East Coast, and, you know, for the listeners, you are competing with the Epic Pass, which has Jack Frost, Big Boulder, right down the road, a couple exits down I-80, and their Northeast season pass is pretty affordable, and it's a pretty good deal.00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:33.000Stuart Winchester: So… so talk to us about that decision and… and… and how… how that $399 is worth it. You also wrote back, if you want to talk about, uh, the… the triple pack. I thought that was great, and I don't have the price right in front of me, but… but you've really done a lot to… to…00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:39.000Stuart Winchester: create more of a value experience for that loyal Camelback skier, from my point of view.00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:55.000Jason Bays: Yeah, thank you, and that's definitely the goal. Um, you know, I think our thought process here is let's get more people on Snow, um, and have them have a great experience while they're here. Um, I would love to tell you that there's some master business plan behind this.00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:29:55.000 --> 00:30:10.000Jason Bays: But, you know, truly, at the heart of what we do is, let's figure out how to get more people on snow, get them to a spot where they want to come back and learn and be part of it. And guess what I would just share to that is.00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:24.000Jason Bays: you know, we were charging a day ticket in 2025 of $169, um, at its highest point, right? And I would rather have a lifelong… I would rather have one per… I would much rather, I think from business proposition, we would rather have.00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:17.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:39.000Jason Bays: one person definitely not come and spend $15 to $40 to park and $169 and say, I'm never coming back, versus $399, now they're like, wow, this place is awesome, I'm getting a great value, I bring my family.00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:33.000Stuart Winchester: Damn.00:30:39.000 --> 00:31:01.000Jason Bays: I want to come enjoy food and beverage. And hey, by the way, we also have this great snow tubing park and this great water park. And would you like to stay at our hotel when you come with your season pass and enjoy Aquatopia? And we're debuting The Curse of Camelback this fall, right? Which is the Halloween, if you haven't heard, it's a Halloween 13 scare zones. Take a chair, lift up to it.00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:03.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:24.000Jason Bays: But I say all that to say we've got so many great cross marketing promotional opportunities at Camelback that that really becomes a super compelling business case for us. And I think it's the right thing to do for the sport is grow it, make it more accessible, allow more people to come here and see what we have to offer. I can't tell you how many people I meet, whether it's snow tubing, skiing.00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:41.000Jason Bays: water park, the hotel, whatever they're here for, CBKMA or Adventure Park, they have no idea that the other part exists to, um, the resort. And I'll share that that's been the case even in, like, when I was, uh, at Jay Peak running the water park.00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.000Stuart Winchester: Hmm. Okay.00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:43.000Jason Bays: People would come there, and they'd be like.00:31:43.000 --> 00:32:02.000Jason Bays: what is this mountain that is here? And it's Jay Peak, like, one of the most hardcore ski resorts in the world. And there were people that were coming there and were like, I had no idea there was a ski resort here. So, if it's true at Jay Peak, it certainly is true at Camelback, where.00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:49.000Stuart Winchester: Right.00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:53.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, thank you.00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:00.000Stuart Winchester: Mm-hmm.00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:02.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, okay.00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:19.000Jason Bays: we have all these different offerings that people don't know about, maybe necessarily about all of them, so our fundamental business philosophy is make it accessible, make them lifelong, um, skiers and riders, and introduce them to everything that we have to offer here in the Poconos. And I would just argue, when I say Poconos.00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:41.000Jason Bays: Like go, like experience Shawnee and experience Jack Frost Big Boulder and experience, you know, the other great ski areas in this region and Mountain Creek and wherever else and get a flavor for it. I think that's, we could use more skiers in the industry and to grow the sport. So for us, that's sort of the long-term business model that we're using.00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:23.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:58.000Stuart Winchester: So, I just looked at the triple ticket, and it looks like $149, and I think that's no blackouts. $199 includes rentals. That's pretty amazing. So, talk about that product, and then you mentioned the $169 peak day ticket. Have you settled on prices yet for 2020?00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:03.000Stuart Winchester: 6, 27. I should have checked your site in advance, but I didn't. So I don't know if you've.00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:21.000Jason Bays: Yeah, we have not, uh, posted, uh, day ticket prices for this year. Last year, um, we didn't exceed around $110, um, on a day ticket. Uh, so we kept it, I think, pretty reasonable for, for, for a, for a Pocono offering. Um, triple tickets, massive, um, success, uh, for us.00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.000Stuart Winchester: Oh, okay.00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:15.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, yeah.00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:37.000Jason Bays: Um, and when we talk about, like, again, getting more people introduced to the sport, you don't necessarily pick up skiing on the first time. Um, you think about that rental product, which we, um, tremendously… whatever we had on the pro forma for that was, uh, blown by by, like.00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:53.000Jason Bays: 400% on the triple ticket with rentals. And what I really believe in is that, you know, you become a lifelong skier by getting repetition, not by going once a year. It's really hard to sustain as a skier going once a year.00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah. Okay.00:33:53.000 --> 00:34:11.000Jason Bays: and saying, oh yeah, that was our trip. We're really trying to create a guest for life and get them to return visit. That's in many ways more important to us than, again, trying to get, like, the highest yield on that one day that they picked. Like, come back and visit our resort and, um, you know, again, the business side to this is.00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:28.000Jason Bays: we're cross-marketing across all of our other offerings here that we have on this campus to say, come and visit us again. And again, to us, that's more important than, you know, the highest yield that we can get to. So the triple ticket's really successful. And I think one last thing I would share.00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:46.000Jason Bays: a lot of season passes in the market right now, um, the triple ticket's a great opportunity for people to get a couple of days at Camelback, even if they've committed somewhere else, and particularly, you know, our long season, um, there's plenty of time to use it, um, as well, uh, from the, uh, long season that we established from last year.00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:50.000Stuart Winchester: Jason, I think that's a really smart way to look at it as…00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:57.000Stuart Winchester: a… creating a habit rather than pulling as much yield as possible. And a lot of the larger operators.00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:11.000Stuart Winchester: get frustrated with me and the rest of the ski media because they don't understand why we focus on that peak price, right? Because the peak lift ticket this year at Beaver Creek is $392, set to be. Probably almost no one will pay that price, but…00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:28.000Stuart Winchester: What it does is it acts as a, a billboard for the rest of the ski industry and especially so, so Camelback for, for people who don't know when you're driving on I 80 I mean, you see it, it looms right over the highway. It is one of the major interstates in America, especially at night. The thing is lit up.00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:46.000Stuart Winchester: And so, chances are, if people think about skiing, and they think about where to go, they're gonna think about the most obvious one, and that's Camelback, and that's why, for many years, it was that, or Seven Springs was the busiest ski area in Pennsylvania, traditionally. So I think that's a really smart way to look at it, because if people show up that one time, and.00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:59.000Stuart Winchester: cost them, you know, $500 for 2 people, they're just not gonna come back, and they're not gonna try Shawnee, or… or Blue Mountain, or Jack Frost, or Elk Mountain, or Montage. So, um, I wanna talk about… Jason, I wanna talk about Lyft.00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:16.000Stuart Winchester: And… can you see this trail map? This is an old trail map. I mentioned that I know this, so for those watching on StormSkiing.com or YouTube, you can see this. So there's been a ton of changes, and I want to break all these down with you. The first I want to talk about is, over the past couple years.00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:32.000Stuart Winchester: Mark Antony and Cleopatra, these two lifts right here, an old triple and an old double, have been removed. Can you talk about why you took those lifts out of service, and if you plan to replace them with anything, or what you planned, or what the rationale was behind it?00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:49.000Jason Bays: Yeah, I appreciate that. Uh, that does predate my time here, that they had reached the end of their, um, uh, ability to operate. Um, and so they have, um, both been, um, sort of partially disassembled. Um, there is unfortunately not.00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:47.000Stuart Winchester: Okay.00:36:49.000 --> 00:37:05.000Jason Bays: I, by the way, two of my favorite lifts when I was a ski instructor, because you could get right up and not wait in long lines on the weekends, so absolutely realizing and recognizing the capacity that they brought, but no opportunity for us to.00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:02.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:23.000Jason Bays: um, reinstate those lifts as presently, um, as presently, uh, uh, sort of, um, situated, um, and, and not, not, not able to, uh, um, not able to, uh, rerun them. It will require a, um, new, uh, chairlift to, um, to ultimately replace.00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:37.000Jason Bays: those two lifts. It saddens me to share that, but that is, in fact, what has happened there, and I've been very open with our season pass holders about that messaging and the why behind it.00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:41.000Stuart Winchester: So, so in fantasy ski resort world, Jason.00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:46.000Stuart Winchester: Would you put a new lift here, and what would you put, if you could?00:37:45.000 --> 00:38:04.000Jason Bays: Yeah, absolutely. Um, same thing. We've, uh, we've made clear, uh, with no time, no official time frame to share, um, but certainly, uh, we've, we've, um, had, uh, preliminary conversations, um, about a fixed grip, um, quad that would, uh, would be able to take the place of both of those lifts, uh, and create that.00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:04.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:10.000Jason Bays: original redundancy that those two lifts brought to the resort when they were in operation.00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:27.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, that would be really nice. So, so, so these are gone and I, I have a, a current trail map now. So, um, and, and it's not completely current. We'll discuss the new trails in a moment, but this is the most current posted on your website. So, uh, we go over, these are the lifts that remain and see, uh, yeah, I, I miscounted in my intro, so sorry about that.00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:42.000Stuart Winchester: So this one is Stevenson, and Stevenson was, uh, it's a high-speed quad, uh, for the listeners, and it… it was a real junker. It was always stop, stop, stop, and, you know, it was… it was really… seemed to be falling apart and have a lot of issues. Now, uh, in 2020…00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:51.000Stuart Winchester: 5, this year, or 2024, I believe, Camelback, uh, McCarthy, the GM at the time, sent out a letter saying it was due for a…00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.000Stuart Winchester: Waltz.00:38:53.000 --> 00:39:02.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, let me see what he said… like, a complete modernization of Stevenson. So, so did that happen? And talk to us about Stevenson, and what kind of shape it's in right now.00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:20.000Jason Bays: Yeah, great, um, yes, that was a, uh, look, an amazing, um, project that was completed by, uh, by Dave and team, um, to modernize that lift. Um, it has, essentially, Doppelmayr came in and put in an entire new, uh, minus the, uh, minus the, uh, uh, the terminals and the.00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:09.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:35.000Jason Bays: Um, uh, and the structure itself, um, essentially all new components, all new electrical, um, uh, wiring components to it, a lot of the things that had plagued it. Um, and last year, uh, it operated 138 days.00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.000Stuart Winchester: Unbelievable.00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:53.000Jason Bays: Uh, which for Pennsylvania, uh, that's pretty darn good. I think we recognize it's a workhorse, um, it's key to accessing some really, um, fantastic terrain for us, um, and that modernization project with Doppel… in, um, partnership with Doppelmeyer that was done in the summer and fall of 2025.00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:54.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:39:53.000 --> 00:40:08.000Jason Bays: um, was, uh, very, uh, so it's all immediate impact, um, with, uh, Stevenson Reliability this past year, and we expect that to, uh, you know, knock on wood, to, uh, to continue going forward. We essentially, again, have a brand new lift, minus the, uh.00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.000Jason Bays: Uh, minus the physical pieces.00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:26.000Stuart Winchester: That's a really smart way to do it because they are tremendously expensive, these new lifts. And for folks who are watching or listening, this Stevenson is really important because you walk out of this giant hotel that's right here, that's not on the trail map with 400 and some rooms, and that is how you get up the mountain. Otherwise you got to.00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:41.000Stuart Winchester: pull your way over, so when that lift is not running or has problems, it's a real big issue. So, the alternative was, over here, Black Bear 6, uh, you replaced an old high-speed quad that was there, and… and I love this Black Bear 6 lift. It is…00:40:41.000 --> 00:41:01.000Stuart Winchester: Freakin' Ferrari, man. I think the price they gave me was something like $12 million that they spent, or maybe it was $10 to put that in. So that's the alternative, right? If you don't just modernize that current lift, you replace it. So, uh, Black Bear is awesome. I love it. It has bubbles. Is it too much? I mean, I know that KSL Now Peregrine had reasons for.00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:16.000Stuart Winchester: for putting it in, but what have you learned from a couple of years of having BlackBerry around, which is, again, probably the nicest lift in the state of Pennsylvania and one of the nicest in the Northeast, but maybe a little heavier than what you need for CamelBak, but I don't know, you tell me.00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:41.000Jason Bays: Yeah, you know, you know what I would share to that, um, you know, we, we brought it back for scenic chairlift rides this summer, and I mean, it's a massive hit. The summer, summer guests love, uh, the bubbles, they put them down when it's sunny, they put them down, um, probably gets more use in the summer as a bubble lift than the winter, uh, but look, it's, it's nice to, uh, have on the days where, you know, there's some liquid precipitation out here. It certainly happens in the Poconos.00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.000Stuart Winchester: Hmm.00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:35.000Stuart Winchester: Okay.00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:58.000Jason Bays: um, and, uh, and, and or, um, uh, you know, other, other weather events, it's, it's, it's a nice to have, um, and it certainly, it gets you up in, you know, a little bit over two minutes. Um, it's a smooth ride, it's a great ride. Um, you are not going to get any complaints from me that we have a, um.00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:48.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:52.000Stuart Winchester: Mm-hmm.00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:11.000Jason Bays: bubble, D-line, six-pack, um, in place, uh, and able to operate as our main workhorse lift. Um, and, uh, I think the six-pack versus the quad was absolutely the right, uh, call. Um…00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:27.000Jason Bays: from my experience being here before with the Sullivan Express, um, with the four-seater, the six-seater, just the… the added, uh, ability, uh, there is, uh, is… is well worth it. So, uh, we're happy to have that… happy to have that lift. I… I wouldn't, uh… I wouldn't…00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:31.000Jason Bays: We won't be trading it in at this point. Let's put it that way.00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:38.000Stuart Winchester: It is a gorgeous machine, and I have to tell you, I'm that weird person who, if there's a line on one lift.00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:56.000Stuart Winchester: And no line on the lift next to it. Even if it's a slower lift, I'll take the slower lift, because I just would rather not deal with the hassle of the line. So right here, for those who are watching, is the Bailey Double, and this is an old chair lift. It's an old slow double, it runs almost exactly parallel to Black Bear 6, doesn't land quite as high.00:42:56.000 --> 00:43:16.000Stuart Winchester: on the mountain, but functionally, it does about the same thing for you. So I like Bailey, and I was glad to see that not only did you keep it, and it does run, and that was true even under the previous regime, but you got a new gearbox for it, which is a really big deal for a lift like this in several decades. Also, talk about the work you've done on Bailey, and how you hope to use that lift.00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.000Stuart Winchester: this year to complement Black Bear.00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:21.000Jason Bays: Yeah, so, um, Bailey Lift…00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:32.000Jason Bays: full disclosure, Bailey Lift, Meadows Lift, Raceway Lift, and our season pass holders are very aware of this. Um, unfortunately, uh, we're not, um…00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:41.000Jason Bays: ready for day one of last year, um, or even close. And so, uh, we had to do a lot of, um…00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:35.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:57.000Jason Bays: normal PM maintenance, um, throughout the, um, end of fall and into winter to have all of them operational. Um, what I share to that is, um, we will run, just level set here really quickly, we will run all the lifts that we have on this trail map.00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.000Stuart Winchester: Okay.00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:02.000Jason Bays: Um, and take care of them, maintain them, operate them.00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:18.000Jason Bays: Staff them, everything that you would do to run the extra capacity, we certainly need it. We'd like more capacity, actually. So that being said, Bailey Lift is critical. We got it back online.00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah. Okay.00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:34.000Jason Bays: End of January, it ran for 2 or 3 weekends, and we had a failed gearbox, um, on it, which is really unfortunate. Um, this off-season, uh, we've replaced the gearbox, we've done a full PM over the course of the summer on it, which is…00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:50.000Jason Bays: the, as you, as everyone knows, the ideal time, uh, to be, um, conducting such work, um, so that it is ready on, uh, day one. Um, it is a critical backup lift. We will run it every weekend.00:44:50.000 --> 00:45:07.000Jason Bays: Um, that we're, you know, in season, I would say in the heart of season, we're gonna run it. Won't be shy to not run it. Um, same thing with the Meadows, same thing with the Glen, same thing with the Raceway, which, um, you know, I know that that was, um, certainly chief among the complaints of.00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:22.000Jason Bays: locals and guests who were visiting from out of town alike was Lyft availability, Lyft reliability. That was something that we focused as fast as we could on last year, but we're setting ourselves up this year to be.00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:39.000Jason Bays: um, very proactive to that, and recognizing the importance of, of each of, uh, uh, you know, each of these. And look, every once in a while, uh, if the, you always want to have, like, Bailey is critical because it's the only other, if there's Black Bear, without Black Bear, it's the only other thing left, right?00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:55.000Jason Bays: Um, and so, uh, you know, I think the, you know, back in the, when I was here, like, every Lyft ran on the weekends. It was Camelback. Um, it was busy, right? Like, everything was going. That's, that's essentially our, our, our philosophy, um, will continue to be our philosophy going forward.00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:48.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:45:55.000 --> 00:46:11.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, Jason, I'll admit, I didn't come to Camelback last season, so I wasn't able to experience it firsthand. I really wanted to come to your May thing, which I'll talk about, I'll get to in a minute, but I had a shoulder surgery, so I wasn't able to do that. But I wasn't only basing my perceptions of C.00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:19.000Stuart Winchester: on locals' reactions. I had skied there myself in recent years, and the lift line management, I have to say.00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.000Stuart Winchester: It was…00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:33.000Stuart Winchester: really frustrating from a skier point of view, when you're waiting for the Stevenson lift, and there's a big line, and every chair is going up with one or two people, and this is not peak COVID or anything else, this is several years later.00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:50.000Stuart Winchester: So, you know, and I had a lot of locals tell me, oh, we walk up Sun Bowl because the lift line is just too chaotic. People come from both sides. No, no, again, that was all before. What's your philosophy of lift line management? How have you tried to tame that? And there's always, it's always going to be a little wild and hard in Pennsylvan.00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:56.000Stuart Winchester: Uh, but they could definitely have been managed better. Is that something that was important to you, that you focused on?00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:15.000Jason Bays: Yeah, we focused on that. We have a new lift operations manager that was hired in November of 2025, who took the bull by the horns. We developed a supervisor team in fairly short order to that as well, to build out a well-rounded team. And then I would just share that our lift attendants.00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:32.000Jason Bays: All hired locally within the community. And I think that we were fully staffed in LiftOps this year, which was a big, very big win. It starts there, right? A, the people, and then B, the right people.00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:23.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:49.000Jason Bays: um, on the, uh, on the bus, um, as a catalyst to drive, uh, lift operations forward. Um, and then absolutely, uh, we focused on, uh, line management, queuing, um, we set new, in some cases, new queues. We had, um, uh, supervisors, in many cases, out.00:47:49.000 --> 00:48:04.000Jason Bays: um, putting up chairs, um, and, um, and managing the lift line. We added, once we got that right, and we felt like we were in a good spot, and we, you know, look, I think, admittedly, a couple technology hiccups here and there, it was not a perfect, uh.00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:17.000Jason Bays: we didn't, like, on opening day, it wasn't perfect, but, uh, we improved, it was a big focus for our team, and I think when we talk about fundamental ski operation, um, if we just were a ski area, we would absolutely be focusing on.00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:36.000Jason Bays: lift queuing, but we have to do that, like, we have to execute that every day because we are a ski area, um, and that's core to our business, and so that's important. Um, then we added, once we got queuing, uh, uh, correct, we added surprise and delights. Lift, uh, chocolate chip cookies were massively popular.00:48:36.000 --> 00:49:04.000Jason Bays: We handed out over 15,000 chocolate chip cookies this winter at the Stevenson lift line. And so, you know, then it becomes fun, right? Then it's the hospitality side of the business of how do we engage with our guests now that we have full chairs going up for the most part off of the Stevenson and the Black Bear and the Sun Bowl. So we hired extra associates to do that, to surprise and delight, to help our guests.00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.000Stuart Winchester: Cool.00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:20.000Jason Bays: The one other thing I would just share is Sunbowl is a great example. How many people get down to the Sunbowl and have never ridden a lift before? And so you need that extra human touch to be able to help. It's not even just putting people in groups of four. It's just helping them with like, here's where you go to load the lift. Here's what you do.00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:21.000Stuart Winchester: Yep.00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:33.000Jason Bays: Um, I think that that investment in our people to provide that service to our guests is very well worth it, and it's the difference between someone having a bad experience getting on a lift and never coming back.00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:43.000Jason Bays: or having a great experience, feeling well cared for, and wanting to try again. Um, and so that, that, that was, um, you know, I think that's a core, um, focus for us.00:49:43.000 --> 00:50:02.000Stuart Winchester: So, one of the ways that I can tell the resort is being run by a skier, in addition to all the things you just said, and your passion for the minutiae of things like lift lines, which I share, is that you're cutting 3 new trails in a resort that's 60 years old, and I love that. So, talk us through these trails, Jason. I'll do my best to trace them.00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:08.000Stuart Winchester: on the trail map. I don't have the updated trail map, I don't know if you've created it yet, but talk us through these three trails.00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:25.000Jason Bays: Yeah, so we're really excited. Look, this, you know, came after, you know, the so many guests, new guests that visited us at Camelback this past season. We said, you know what, let's do something fun and exciting. And like, you know, you think about how.00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:43.000Jason Bays: Um, yeah, I just, you know, if someone said, anyone puts in a new trail, uh, the skier in me wants to drive to that resort, no matter how big or small, and be like, alright, like, let's do it. Um, and our team feels, uh, you know, much of the same way. So, um, that being said, uh, we had a lot of natural snowfall this year, so…00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:33.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:36.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah.00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:37.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, sure. Yeah.00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:59.000Jason Bays: I was acutely paying attention to where people were skiing when we had natural snowfall, where they wanted to go, and then, you know, maybe following those lines, too, and seeing what the fun was about. So, my point to all of that is, we said, let's create some, and I think for Camelback, too.00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:48.000Stuart Winchester: Mm-hmm.00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:15.000Jason Bays: it's very, um, you know, we wanted to create something that was sort of unique. I didn't want to just put in, like, regular trails that, A, we don't have a lot of space for regular trails, and B, um, we really wanted to create sort of unique experience. So, right underneath Black Bear, um, in between Sullivan and John Bailey there.00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:09.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:30.000Jason Bays: um, there's a, um, there's a chute, um, where the old Alpine Slide used to go. Basculus goes back into Rocket, uh, but underneath there is some really fun rolling terrain. Like, it's, it's because the mountain, the, uh, Alpine Slide.00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:28.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, thank you.00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:54.000Jason Bays: back in the day did had several dips and curves and so we're going to lean into those dips and curves and create something sort of fun that you can get some you know launch some airtime off of if you want or carve a turn over it but it'll have some some really nice terrain variation in a way that most trails at Camelback don't have and they're coming off of an expert trail there so.00:51:54.000 --> 00:52:06.000Jason Bays: um, gives, uh, you know, anyone skiing Asp, Hump, Rocket, um, or Basilisk would be able to reach that trail, um, and, uh, and be able to, uh, just have a little bit more excitement on the way back down.00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.000Jason Bays: Um…00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:20.000Jason Bays: Upper Cleopatra there, if you go to the, uh, where the U is, uh, or where Upper is, we're gonna cut a trail through the woods there that's going to end up on the bottom of Big Pocono.00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:21.000Stuart Winchester: Okay.00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:31.000Jason Bays: Um, so it's gonna go down and across. So, um, that… um, and I see where your cursor is. If you go to the… where it says Upper on Upper Cleopatra.00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:29.000Stuart Winchester: So, like, here? Or…00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.000Stuart Winchester: Oh, upper…00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:54.000Jason Bays: So, Big Pocono, that's Uncle B. Yeah, right there. Yep, we're going through there. Yeah, so that's gonna be, that's a narrow blue square. So, you know, I think one of the things that's fun for us is we're gonna create a blue square there. That used to be a trail back in the 60s and 70s, fun fact, when Walter Foger was designing Camelback.00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.000Stuart Winchester: Upper… oh, this one. Okay, so you're cutting through here?00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:39.000Stuart Winchester: Oh, cool. Okay.00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:51.000Stuart Winchester: Oh, cool.00:52:54.000 --> 00:53:09.000Jason Bays: Um, that being said, um, the… actually, it got filled in with pine trees, so it's gonna be really cool, because there's pine trees on both sides. Um, we made it narrow, so we kept the pine trees, um, and so that's gonna be a really fun, um, sort of narrow… I think about, like, the, um.00:52:58.000 --> 00:52:59.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:03.000Stuart Winchester: That's cool. It's pretty.00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:26.000Jason Bays: the ending of Jay Peak with some of the blues at the very bottom there by Interstate. We're trying to sort of have that, obviously in a much smaller zone, have that same effect, though, where you're feeling like you're really in the trees, and you've got some nice twists and turns to it. It's not terribly steep.00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:13.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, okay.00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:44.000Jason Bays: Um, two things on that trail. One is, it takes traffic off of Honeymoon Lane, which is a main boulevard, it pushes it onto the Sphinx, which has much more trail capacity, which is great, um, comfortable carrying capacity, and secondarily, um, on weekends, we're gonna have a hot chocolate, um, hut that people can ski up to.00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:32.000Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:52.000Jason Bays: Um, and get shots of hot chocolate, um, as well, so we're excited to, um, uh, to offer that to our guests. We think that'll be really fun.00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:47.000Stuart Winchester: That's cool.00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:53.000Stuart Winchester: That was awesome.00:53:53.000 --> 00:54:17.000Jason Bays: And then the Stevenson, it's going to drop on the cliffhanger side and drop down that lift line and go right down into the Faroe there and follow that lift line. Vermont skiing in a very short array but very much Vermont skiing, that's an intimidating drop. Stevenson for those that may not be familiar has a extremely.00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:55.000Stuart Winchester: And it.00:53:58.000 --> 00:53:59.000Stuart Winchester: Okay.00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:09.000Stuart Winchester: Yeah, I think so.00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:34.000Jason Bays: extremely tight, um, and high, uh, crest of the lift, because the mountain crests, um, really steeply. Well, we're gonna ski that, um, and, uh, and make snow on it, and, uh, and, and, uh, and allow our guests to, uh, um, and allow skiers to, uh, to, to, to test, um, you know, a more narrow.00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:44.000Jason Bays: um, uh, trail up there that has a really great expansive view ov

“Those moments are teachable, not only for others but for ourselves.” Sex. Drugs. Rock and roll. Yep, we're going there. Well, sort of. In this episode of A Couple Takes on MS, we're talking about three recent experiences that reminded us how living with Multiple Sclerosis can turn everyday moments into opportunities to advocate, adapt, learn, and sometimes laugh. Join us as we take on: Sex, disability, and assumptions — Why the way healthcare providers ask personal questions matters, and how one appointment became an unexpected teachable moment. The power of language — Why “wheelchair bound” doesn't describe Jennifer's reality and how her wheelchair represents mobility, freedom, and independence. Drugs, insurance, and self-advocacy — Dan's experience finding another way to access a medication his insurance wouldn't cover and why it pays to ask about your options. Staying informed about your care — How conversations with healthcare providers and the MS community can help us continue learning about medications, treatments, and their long-term effects. When accessibility doesn't go according to plan — How our concert seating mistake, some wonderful Pine Knob staff, and a little patience helped turn potential frustration into an unforgettable night of rock and roll. Yes, sex, drugs, and rock and roll sparked this conversation, but the real lesson is something we continue learning again and again while living with MS: keep asking questions, keep advocating for yourself, and leave a little room for grace along the way. From the ACTOMS blog Want the full story behind the “rock and roll” part of this episode? Jennifer shares how a ticketing mistake, some incredible people, and a little patience turned an accessibility challenge at Pine Knob Music Theatre into one of our favorite concert experiences. Read Sometimes accessibility looks like community *** Thank you for listening to A Couple Takes on MS. We're grateful you're moving forward with us one step, one roll, and one story at a time. If you enjoyed this episode, please consider following the podcast, leaving a rating or review, and sharing it with someone who could use a little encouragement today.

Heather went to see Salt-N-Pepa perform at Pine Knob on Sunday night

Monday night in the Palm Street Studio and the AC is cranked.  Capac provides a JTK gear grind.  Get ready for comedy at the Ruth Farmer's Tavern in October!  Hank Jr. at Pine Knob and the beer prices are more insane, plus they shut down early!  Foster's beer is cheap at the Alli Bar.  We call JB and he is just getting out of the shower.  The fair is an expensive fiasco and Phil hates it.  A Lions season preview and we check in on the Tigers.    Featuring The Grumpy Griller, Hall of Famer Junior!, Hall of Famer JTK!, Sir Phillip, and Lord Adam Filkins.  Make good choices!

People are very particular about how you address Pine Knob at shows.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jay had a big night at Pine Knob!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The WNBA is battling many scandals, Eli Zaret joins us as LeBron gets a new team, D4vd's disgusting preliminary hearing, Katy Perry Hate, Jack White finally plays Pine Knob, and more adults are living at home. Eli Zaret stops by to break down the up and down Detroit Tigers as the trade deadline looms. Tarik Skubal's decision is fast approaching, Framber Valdez sucks. The silly racial drama in the WNBA. A chick dunked in the All-Star Game but these are the true highlights. The WNBA players seem to be banging each other. the desperation of Tom Brady, LeBron James is taking his talents to the Philadelphia 76ers to chase a final title. Happy anniversary to NIL. Charlie Woods is a chip off the old block. Neal Brennan's less famous brother, Kevin, is losing his mind over meaningless podcast statistics. Fellow Dabbleverse comic, Chad Zumock, is coming to town and will drop a new fully-funded 'special' soon. AI will do whatever you tell it. Stupid technology. There is a Bubba the Love Sponge documentary titled Video Killed the Radio Star. It's on Tubi. D4vd is completely screwed as the evidence piles up. Sloan was in court and breaks down the hearings. Adult children are living at their parent's homes at crazy levels. Drew needs more Spruce Goose information. Astronaut Katy Perry has sure fallen from grace. She's very upset the White House used her song for a social media post. No more VIP treatment for Blake Lively. Ryan Reynolds annoyed people at Marvel's Comic-Con. Ben Crump found a new case to weasel out of the Nolan Wells case. Nolan's friends are talking but nobody will return their phone calls. That Shiloh Hendrix broad guilty of saying the n-word. Music: David Lee Roth's tour is canceled. Sammy Hagar invites Diamond Dave to his Las Vegas residency with Michael Anthony. Bon Jovi struggled to sing at Madison Square Garden and the dude from Train came and saved the day (kinda). Jack White ROCKED Pine Knob for the first time the weekend. 97.1 The Ticket had a segment that led Drew to defend his friend Kirk Gibson. Merch, yo. Check it. If you'd like to help support the show… consider subscribing to our YouTube Channel, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (Drew Lane, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels, Jim Bentley, BranDon, and Roberto).

TDC Podcast topics - Mike and Amy have had it with trying to find where our teams games will air, are the Tigers gonna keep Skubal after the trade deadline?  We found another interview with Ashley Webb who is running for Senate in Maine and it's hilarious, Jasmine Crockett won't be happy until there's a race war in America, these clowns cosplaying as revolutionaries known as the Democrat Socialists of America need to be stomped out of existence, ESPN with another round of firings, Jack White wants NO phones at his upcoming Pine Knob show, email and much more 

John Mellencamp had to cancel his show at Pine Knob because of the hazardous air quality.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The official 2026 season preview for the largest entertainment amphitheater in the country. We'll be joined by some frequent visitors, including Carlos Santana, Foreigner, Godsmack, Motley Crue, Salt-N-Pepa, Jimmy Buffett's Coral Reefer Band, Barenaked Ladies, and others to help get you ready for the next four-months-plus of music under the stars.

Justin Timberlake DWI video released, Eli Zaret joins us for March Madness, RIP Chuck Norris, ABC cancels The Bachelorette as Taylor Frankie Paul's assault video is released, and 2 Bears One Cave returns and remains unrelatable. Eli Zaret drops by to recap the weekend in NCAA March Madness, gambling degenerates abound, Flag Football phenomena, Detroit Pistons Cade Cunningham's crazy injury, LeBron James stupid patch, Detroit Tigers kick off this week, break down how to watch the Detroit Tigers this year, Jason Benetti's 17th job, the WNBA settles their new CBA, WBC fallout and more. The Black Crowes (aka just the Robinson brothers) drop a brand-new album. They'll be coming to Pine Knob in July. Roberto is NOT a fan of Shinedown. RIP Chuck Norris. Variety decided to talk crap about him in death. Taylor Frankie Paul has completely destroyed The Bachelorette franchise. Dr. Disgusto's girlfriend was caught pooping via drone, but will not be doxxed. Zohran Mamdani's wife isn't a fan of Jews and used the F and N slurs back in the day. James Gracey did not survive Spring Break in Barcelona. AI crimes are all the rage these days. Matt Farley remains a national treasure. Donald Trump insinuates that ICE will be running airport security. Elon Musk is looking to play the hero. The cop cam of Justin Timberlake's DUI has been released. He was WASTED. The Oscars had 17M viewers, but it wasn't enough. CBS News Radio is toast. Alex Cooper is not thrilled with Sofia Franklyn's memoir. The head of Netflix has unfollowed Meghan Markle on Instagram! Tom Segura and Bert Kreischer are sick and tired of podcasting. Chappell Roan vs Jude Law's brat. Foreigner needs to be more wheelchair compliant. Sometimes farts can kill the mood. Merch remains available. Buy it before it's gone or miss out. If you'd like to help support the show… consider subscribing to our YouTube Channel, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (Drew Lane, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels, Jim Bentley and BranDon)

Believe it or not, the Van Halen 5150 album turns 40 at the end of March! To celebrate, the guys are dropping a deluxe version of it on March 27th. According to the press release, The deluxe edition not only contains a remastered version of the album, but also more than 90 minutes of previously unreleased recordings from their August 27th, 1986 concert at the New Haven Veterans Memorial Coliseum in New Haven, Connecticut; a selection of rare seven-inch single edits; and extended 12-inch versions. There's also a Blu-ray containing a high-definition upgrade of the video of that show, which was previously released as Live Without a Net, plus promo videos for “Dreams” and “Why Can't This Be Love.” The collection will also be available on vinyl and digitally.Michael was cool enough to hop on to discuss this time period of the band, and lots more. Did he know Sammy Hagar before he joined VH? Did he feel like, at certain times, it was the brothers (Eddie and Alex) vs. him and Sammy? Did he have any input into bringing Sammy in? How do I get a Jack Daniels endorsement? These are the important questions Michael answered, and lots more. You can see him, along with Sammy, when they play Pine Knob on June 19th, a day before his birthday. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome to our final episode of the 2025 Pine Knob season — 41 shows starting in June with Halsey and wrapping up October 2nd with Alice Cooper and Judas Priest. With acts from just about every genre playing during the past four months, there's been something for every music fan and certainly another season of shows that we'll be talking about for years to come.

New wave icon Lene Lovich reflects on Detroit roots ahead of Pine Knob with Devo, B-52s Eater's 'most essential and influential' restaurants includes one Michigan eatery Macomb County Clerk Anthony Forlini joins GOP race for Michigan Secretary of State

It's officially fall, but things are not falling off at Pine Knob as it heads to the close of its 53rd year. We'll start with a favorite Pine Knob photo of the J. Geils Band. The B-52s will be bringing its 12-date Cosmic De-Evolution Tour with Devo to town on Thursday, September 25th. The next night, Friday, Sept. 26th, country star Lainey Wilson brings her Whirlwind Tour to Pine Knob for her first performance ever at the venue. It will also be the first performance there for one of her band members, multi-instrumentalist Sav Madigan, who's also part of the Accidentals, a band she and longtime friend Katie Larson formed 13 years ago in Traverse City. Recently visiting town was the British band James, who also played at Pine Knob as part of the 1997 Lollapalooza festival that stopped there for two dates in July of that year.

Over the weekend, WRIF hosted our annual Riff Fest at Pine Knob. I interviewed the three main stage bands before the show that night. Up first, it's Ben Burnley from Breaking Benjamin. Ben's fun to talk with. We discussed his influences, yacht rock, new BB music, his home studio, and more. Matt and Adam from Three Days Grace are next. It's the first time I've had the chance to speak with both singers. We talked about the new album, hockey, and that's just for starters. Finally, it's the band Return To Dust. If you're a fan of the grunge music of the 90s, this band is for you. Their set killed! The guys told me how the band started, with two of the guys hailing from Texas and two from Southern California. Keep an eye on these guys in the future. MeltdownSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

On this week's episode, I talk with Billy Sheehan and Mike Krompass from The Fell, along with Jake Diab and Joe Coccimiglio from Autumn Kings.The Fell is a band that Mike founded 10 years ago. They've dropped two singles, Killswitch and Face Out - the title track. They have an EP coming out in October, with the full-length album coming out in 2026. How does one go about getting Billy Sheehan in the band? What legendary artist's album did Billy just play on? Billy just played a giant show in Indonesia with Bumblefoot and Steve Vai, among others. I asked him about the last time he played with Steve, who he played with in the David Lee Roth band. That's just for starters with this conversation. Up next, it's Jake and Joe from Autumn Kings. The boys recently played a string of shows in Europe. We talk about that and some special guests who came to see them on tour. Is there new music coming from AK? Yes. When? Well, they couldn't say exactly, but they gave us a hint. They're playing Riff Fest on September 20th at Pine Knob.Enjoy and thanks for listening!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We welcome one of the venue's regular photographers, who chose a fiery image of Slayer guitarist Kerry King as one of his favorites from over the years. Back on August 4th, the Doobie Brothers, one of Pine Knob's most frequent visitors, opened its latest North American tour there. Also in town recently was Jerry Cantrell, guitarist with the band Alice in Chains, who also tours and records as a solo artist. Coming to Pine Knob on September 10th are the Tedeschi Trucks Band and Gov't Mule, a must-see for guitar fans. We also visited recently with Wesley Schultz from the Lumineers, who will be playing their biggest Detroit area show yet on September 13th at Comerica Park. That same night, Bonnie Raitt will be headlining just across the street at the Fox Theatre. On Saturday, September 20th, Riff Fest returns to Pine Knob, bringing Canada's Three Days Grace along with Breaking Benjamin as co-headliners.

We start with Chris Schwegler and the story of the final photograph from Bob Seger's final hometown concert on June 21st, 2019. In the more recent past, we caught up with Halestorm, who played at Pine Knob for a sixth time on August 19th. In the realm of coming attractions, we have Billy Idol hitting Pine Knob on Thursday, August 28th. Two nights later, on Aug. 30, it's 99.5 WYCD's Hoedown, this time with Dierks Bentley headlining and joined by Zach Top and The Band Loula. The night after Hoedown, on Aug. 31, Tommy Clufetos is bringing his new band, Tommy's Rock Trip, to town opening for Ted Nuget at the Michigan Lottery Amhitheatre.

We kick things off with photographer feature Scott Legato. Scott picks a 2013 shot of the late Ozzy Osbourne, taken during a performance by Black Sabbath as part of its reunion tour. Toto, Men at Work and Christopher Cross are playing Monday, August 11. Five days later, on August 16th, fans of classic rock will be treated to the Brotherhood of Rock Tour 2025, which features Styx, the Kevin Cronin Band from REO Speedwagon and Don Felder from Eagles We move then to Tuesday, Aug. 19, when Volbeat brings its Greatest Of All Time Tours Worldwide to Pine Knob, with support from Halestorm and the Ghost inside.

August 4, 2025 ~ Full Show: Kevin is live from Saint John's Resort for the March of Dimes Golf Classic. He takes a look at all of the work March of Dimes does to help expecting mothers. The Doobie Brothers Patrick Simmons calls in ahead of their show at Pine Knob tonight. Mark Hackel is honored as this week's All Talk All Star.

August 4, 2025 ~ Ahead of The Doobie Brothers show at Pine Knob tonight, guitarist Patrick Simmons, joins Kevin to discuss the show and the band's latest album.

The show is going to be at Pine Knob for Jay's Summer Bash tonight!

Things are really heating up at Pine Knob, with a busy August and September ahead, into the early days of October. We're starting with some recent visitors who hit stages in the metro area, but took time to share their thoughts about playing at Pine Knob. In upcoming attractions, Cyndi Lauper, who performed last fall at the Fox Theatre, is bringing her "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" Farewell Tour to Pine Knob on Friday, August 1. The following night, Saturday August 2, brings Barenaked Ladies back to Pine Knob with its latest Last Summer on Earth Tour. The Doobie Brothers has been playing Pine Knob since 1974. Its August 4 performance will be the start of the North American leg of a tour supporting a new album, Walk this Road, the Doobies' 16th studio set. Opening for the Doobie Brothers on August 4th will be the Coral Reefer Band, making its first appearance in the metro area since its founder and leader Jimmy Buffett passed away in September of 2023.

Donald Trump “seriously considering” pardon for Sean Combs, Corey Feldman strips on stage, WNBA Dildo alert, new strange celebrity couples, more men accuse Christian rock star Michael Tait of sexual assault, and more lectures over Sydney Sweeney's American Eagle commercial. Everyone involved loved it when a bright green dildo crashed a WNBA game. RIP Drew's favorite baseball player, Chicago Cubs legend Ryne Sandberg. Ozzy's funeral in Birmingham, England was a big hit. Bryan Kohbooger survivor, Dylan Mortensen, has a GoFundMe. We're jerks for questioning it, but it feels gross. Some hot fingerbanging occurred at the Philadelphia Phillies/New York Yankees game. Peter Wolf will join us tomorrow. TMZ believes Donald Trump will pardon Diddy. A Jizzlaine Maxwell pardon is being discussed as well. Senator Josh Hawley wants to send Americans a rebate check. 5 people have been arrested in the beating of 3 people in the viral Cincinnati brawl. A record earthquake hit Mother Russia causing tsunami fears. New York shooter kills 4 while targeting the NFL… after double parking. Sydney Sweeney is still getting flak from fat ugly white chicks. George Stephanopoulos got stuck in an elevator with his security. Dean Cain is Japanese… much to our surprise. We miss Larry King and his endless mistakes. We watch the highlights from Corey Feldman's recent concert where he covers Pink Floyd's ‘Money'. DC Talk Christian rocker, Michael Tait, is accused of inappropriate behavior by multiple men. BranDon's former neighbor has the full support of The Drew Lane Show. The WNBA will stop play if a player's wig falls off. Hecklers will be ejected. Shannon Sharpe has been BLOWN OUT of ESPN. Trudi pretends she doesn't know 2wo25. Celebrity Couples: Tom Cruise and Ana de Armas are banging. Jessica Alba and Danny Ramirez are banging. Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau are banging. Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson are banging. Denise Richards is NOT banging Aaron Phypers. Pine Knob lost power at The Offspring show. The Oasis ‘slob brother' is in trouble. If you'd like to help support the show… consider subscribing to our YouTube Channel, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (Drew Lane, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels, Jim Bentley and BranDon).

Recorded in a double AC unit installed Palm Street Studio on a Tuesday night.  It's hot and that leads to the first gear grind of the show.  A Pedo Island update, they have amped up the crazy.  Phil executes a long con that finally comes to fruition with a Canadian comedian of the same name.  We have a beef with Shaq.  The joys of a Cyndi Lauper concert at Pine Knob this Friday.  Deckerville has a tornado just as Glen predicted!  We hear from Glen about it and he makes more ominous predictions.  We call Tally-Ho to see how the new owners are working out and they hang up on us and then refuse to take our call.  The podcast should have been making money all this time...we need more likes and follows, so please help on any form of social media.  

Lauren and Russ are back from Pine Knob and buzzing with excitement! In this episode of the Beer'd Al Podcast, we're breaking down our unforgettable night seeing “Weird Al” Yankovic on the Bigger & Weirder Tour. From the VIP treatment (yes, we saw our hero up close!) to the high-energy setlist and Al's unbeatable stage presence, we cover it all. Hear our favorite moments, unexpected surprises, and why this tour feels like a victory lap for longtime fans. Whether you were there too or you're living vicariously through us, grab a beverage and let's talk Al!Check out our recap on YouTube, too! Beer'd Al is a delightful member of the OddPods media NetworkBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/beer-d-al-podcast--5439475/support.

We kick off episode four with a new segment spotlighting the concert photographers who work regularly at Pine Knob, and their work. Our first comes from Ken Settle, recalling when Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band were joined by a special appearance from former drummer Charlie Martin, who had been paralyzed from the waist down after an automobile accident in 1977. I Prevail was formed in Oakland County, Michigan during 2013 and made its first splash with a remake of Taylor Swift's Blank Space that became a viral hit in 2014. The quintet co-headlines the Summer of Loud 2025 package on Wednesday, July 16 at Pine Knob. Things stay heavy the next night -- Thursday, July 17 -- when Pantera and Amon Amarth will be rocking Pine Knob. This is Pantera's first headline show in the metro area since 2001, and its first Pine Knob appearance since OZZFest during July of 2000. Wrapping things up, Styx will not perform at Pine Knob until August 16. But on Friday, July 18 the veteran group releases its 18th studio album, Circling From Above -- the follow-up to Crash of the Crown in 2021 and Styx's third album in eight years after taking a 12-year break from recording.

In this third episode of our fourth season, we`re shooting wide and brining you memories from some of the performers who have played at Pine Knob over the years. Our first guest, however, is playing there on July 2nd, his first show at Pine Knob in eight years. Moving on, we had the chance to talk with Chan Kinchla from the band Blues Traveler, which is performing July 11 at the Meadow Brook Amphitheatre. Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins is another fan of Pine Knob. The band has played there just twice, including a three-night stand with Lollapalooza in 1994 during which the Pumpkins pulled a fun prank on the crowd. Also sharing fond memories of Pine Knob with us is John Oates, who as part of Hall & Oates played the theater 18 times between 1977 and 2021, including several multi-night runs.

It's a triple bill of singers on this episode of Talkin' Rock. Scott Stapp starts us off as he talks about Creed hitting the big stages again. He spoke about how it was for him personally and professionally. His latest solo album is stellar, and he just released a new single called 'Deadman's Trigger'. He says something cool is coming from the single in the future. We also talked about their trip to the Indy 500, being a grandpa, and more. Next, it's Eric Vanlerberghe from I Prevail. What's it like to be thrust into the spotlight after Brian Burkheiser left the band? He answers that....talks about the latest single 'Into Hell', the writing process for the upcoming album, playing shows at their hometown venue of Pine Knob, and more. Finally, singer Josh Katz of Badflower. Their new album No Place Like Home is out now. As with their other records, this is another personal album for the guys. One song in particular speaks to losing a pet. Josh said it was an emotional day of interviews. for him.

Welcome to Hello Pine Knob and our fourth season of talking about Michigan's oldest and largest amphitheater. The 2025 season gets underway on Wednesday, June 11, with a concert by Grammy-nominated singer Halsey, making her Pine Knob debut and her first Metro area appearance since 2017. That will be the first of 39 shows announced so far, which will take us into early October. To get us ready for that, we've invited some guests to take a look at what we can expect for Pine Knob 2025 - 313 Presents President, Howard Handler, Pine Knob poster contest winner, Penny Livingston, and Pine Knob's Senior Director of Premium Sales and Services, Nicole Houin.

I first met Piggy D at a stop at Pine Knob north of Detroit during the Rob Zombie 2018 tour. I was introduced to him through my friend, John 5. Right off the hop, I found him very easy to talk to. I was thrilled when he agreed to do Talkin' Rock. He's currently on tour, this time with Marilyn Manson. We talk about the differences between playing with Manson and Zombie. There's a big difference, apparently. We talked some horror movies, his t-shirt collection, writing and working with Alice Cooper, and much more. You can watch the interview below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KztxgFLE0rI&t=224s https://wrif.com/2025/04/29/piggy-d-on-alice-cooper-his-massive-t-shirt-collection-and-old-school-rock-and-horror/ https://wrif.com/2025/04/28/piggy-d-talks-touring-with-marilyn-manson-playing-bass-and-rocking-detroit-crowds/

Peacock's SNL music documentary, Justin Baldoni v. Blake Lively: Round 500, Corey Feldman receives a gift, Bentley's bummer month, and Rolling Stone's Top 100 Protest Songs. Bentley's pipes burst and now our YouTube is suffering. Turtle from Entourage and Matt Leinart tried to weasel onto our show and we think they're buying views on YouTube. “Redhead” Kevin Connolly remains a scumbag. Ladies & Gentlemen… 50 Years of SNL Music ROCKED. A big Drew Wave concert is coming to Pine Knob. The 100 Best Protest Songs of All Time according to Rolling Stone Magazine. FireAid is on the way to fix the LA Wildfires. A$AP Rocky was in court but more importantly… Rihanna was there. The Fall of Diddy on ID and Max is available for your viewing pleasure. University of Florida head basketball coach Todd Golden denies, denies, denies. Nobody cares about the exhausting Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni beef, but there's a new story every day. Baldoni leaked his own voicemails. Taylor Swift has :taken a step back” from Blake. Beast Games has another episode tomorrow! Teen spending is up 6% and most of it is going to Sephora. Questlove has a Sly Stone doc coming out. RFK Jr. had a brutal day at his confirmation hearing. Turns out all those drones in New Jersey were no big deal. Lily Phillips is not just a professional whore, but is full of BS. Bonnie Blue's dad loves watching her bang. Corey Feldman is back to posting gems on Instagram. Elon Musk and SpaceX are heroes now. Venezuelan gangs are on Donald Trump's list. Guantanamo Bay is now in play for housing illegals. Meghan Markle is delaying her podcast… again. Justine Bateman hates her. The coolest medical worker ever has been fired for twerking on a patient's head. Spencer Pratt still hates Andy Cohen. Sam Asghari breaks his silence about living with Britney Spears. The Paul Brothers are pulling more shenanigans. Tune in tomorrow for Jim's List! Visit our presenting sponsor Hall Financial – Michigan's highest rated mortgage company. If you'd like to help support the show… consider subscribing to our YouTube Channel, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (The Drew Lane Show, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels, Jim Bentley and BranDon).

This is a special Riff Fest wrap-up. Before the bands took to the stage of Pine Knob, they spoke with me.  I spoke with Sully from Godsmack, Cullen of Sleep Theory, Cody and Briton of Wage War, James and Sam from Asking Alexandria, and Dale from Seether.   A huge thank you to each of the bands for talking with me and taking the time to meet with WRIF listeners beforehand. One of the great things about my job is that I get to share these experiences with people who otherwise wouldn't get the chance. 

This week on the Roach Koach podcast we're talking Korn, Team Fries, merch, and more as Lorin and Matt go boots on the ground at Korn's show on September 27th at Pine Knob. Topics discussed this episode include:-3 dads in a Honda-Merch critiques-The Team Fries Controversy-Korn, showmen-Leaving early-Who's Emailing with the Jesus Christgau Challenge-And Workshopping the Drop with a NEW LISTTake a listen!Exclusive episodes and more on the Roach Koach Patreon. New episodes of the Pact every month. Subscribe today! Rate and review Roach Koach on iTunes! We'd appreciate it! Questions about the show? Have album recommendations? Just want to say hi? We'd love to hear from you! Contact the show @RoachKoach on Twitter, Roach Koach on Facebook , Roach Koach on Instagram, or send an email to RoachKoachPodcast at Gmail. Follow the show on Youtube and TikTok! Find every episode of Roach Koach at Roach Koach dot com.

Comic Nick Swardson joins us, DNC wackiness, Drew Crime: Andrew Luster, kids helping their moms with OnlyFans, a feces fight between neighbors, and Frankie Valli energetic performances. Drew Crime: There's a new Menendez Brothers docudrama coming to Netflix. Bryan Kohberger aka Kohlbooger is afraid of the “mob”. There is yet ANOTHER Scott Peterson doc where he maintains his innocence. Nick Swardson joins the show to discuss Gay Robot, Blades of Glory, getting in trouble over Happy Gilmore 2, Bucky Larson, bumps in the road, his love of the Minnesota Vikings, the late great Norm MacDonald and more. Check out his standup at the Fillmore on September 12th! MORE Drew Crime: Drew tells an Evil Lives Here tale of Andrew Luster. Exactly what happened to those Oklahoma girls that got sick in Mexico? Drew recaps The Doobie Brothers at Pine Knob. Drew continues to fall in the Michael McDonald rabbit hole. First the boobs… then the butt… now the world needs to see Sydney Sweeney's legs. Only Fans model Meighan Baker is advertising her body on billboards. Kim Kardashian is trying to be hot to compete with Bianca Censori. Kanye West continues to perform with his brats. The DNC is all the rage. Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers won the night. Barack Obama made a dick joke. Influencers are taking over the election. Theo Von explains cocaine to Donald Trump. Mike Lindell is incognito at the DNC. JLo and Ben's life is a mess and on full display to the world. A-Rod wants a re-tap. Drake is the latest penis to get in line for JLo. Feces attack in Redford. Road Rage: Careful on the road. Seriously… check this one out. This fight turned around pretty quickly. Be careful while in the road. Frankie Valli is not looking too good these days. BranDon declares this Frankie Valli to be “bad ass”. Let us know what you think. Corey Feldman continues to be filmed at Loserville for our viewing pleasure. Stuttering John has signed off the internet… for now. There are still a few tickets available see us October 25th at The Magic Bag with WATP. Grab them before they're sold out! Visit Our Presenting Sponsor Hall Financial – Michigan's highest rated mortgage company If you'd like to help support the show… consider subscribing to our YouTube Page, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (The Drew Lane Show, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels, Jim Bentley and BranDon).

Matthew Perry's assistant & doctors charged in his death, a Doobie Brothers battle, murderers named Peterson, Madonna's new boyfriend, Jim's Picks: Exploding Songs, and Tom Mazawey's deep knowledge of game shows. If someone's last name is Peterson, there's a good chance they are a murderer. Especially if their first name is Scott, Drew or Michael. There's a vicious battle in the Doobie Brothers community about which version is the best. Drew's been working out for the Doobies tonight at Pine Knob. Matthew Perry duped everyone about being sober for years. What color was the hot tub water when he was found?Five people have been charged with the Friends actor's death. Joy Mode brings you the Bonerline. Use promo code DREW. Call or text 209-66-Boner to communicate with the show. Greg Kihn had an unKihnditional love for music. Kihn you believe it. He's always been an unKihnventional guy. We don't know if he had any next of Kihn, but his family was unKihntrollably sad. No Kihnspiracies were reported. We do have one Kihnfession...We didn't like his music. Greg Kihn's life Kihncluded at 75. Gone too soon. Ralph LaCock, better known as Peter Marshall, took his spot at the big center square in the sky at the age of who the f*** cares. Halle Berry keeps shoving menopause down our throats. Fun fact: doctors cannot say the word "menopause". Madonna adopts her newest black boyfriend who is 38 years younger than her. Why does no one talk about Urban Meyer fluttering that 24-year-old's vagina any more? Nick Carter has been charged with sexual assault. Nick "Wants it that way" and countersues. Quit playing games with my heart, Nick. 50 Cent is hard at work on his Diddy documentary. Michael McDonald and Paul Reiser are best friends. Who knew? And who cares. Tom Mazawey calls in from a bathroom or an echoey studio. He talks about the Detroit Tigers sweep against the Seattle Mariners, Aaron Judge fastest to 300 HRs, Drew's license plate issues caused by Maz are challenged, Maz LOVES Frankie Valli, Maz rooting AGAINST his country because of LeBron James, and his newest area of expertise: game shows. We HAVE TO FIND Cindy Margolis nude on the internet (NSFW link). Jim's Picks: Songs that Explode. Come join us in support of the Kirk Gibson Foundation's 8th Annual Golf Classic on August 19 at Wyndgate Country Club in Rochester Hills, MI. Come see us October 25th at The Magic Bag with WATP! Visit Our Presenting Sponsor Hall Financial – Michigan's highest rated mortgage company If you'd like to help support the show… consider subscribing to our YouTube Page, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (The Drew Lane Show, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels, Jim Bentley and BranDon).

Drew had a nightmare last night, Paris Olympics fails, Donald Trump's new Cybertruck, music nepo-babies: Noah Weiland, Billy Ray Cyrus v. Firerose, and Sammy Davis Jr trainwreck talk show. Drew had a scary nightmare last night. It led to some deep diving into the Spruce Goose & Howard Hughes. Tobey Maguire is officially NOT hot. It's official. Listener Kevin Tucker seemingly wants to bang him. “The Pussy Posse” is a ridiculous collection of dudes. The stock markets are having a really bad day and week. Donald Trump takes a victory lap. Nancy Pelosi wants Joe Biden to be added to Mount Rushmore. Donald Trump was gifted a Cybertruck and a Rolex for some reason. Music Nepo-Babies: John Fogerty brought his nepo-brats to Pine Knob. Drew activates the Nepo-Baby Alert for Noah Weiland. ROCK ON! There is Journey band drama yet again. Olympic Coverage: Luana Alonso is at the Olympics for the wrong reasons. Simone Biles actually failed at something. Pole Vaulter Holly Bradshaw with an Olympic lowlight. This speed-walking lowlight is NOT from the Olympics, but is still funny. Sha'Carri Richardson only got a silver medal. Flavor Flav is all over the Olympics. Snoop Dogg has won over Marc. Zac Efron is totally fine and not explaining his hospital scare. Billy Ray Cyrus and Firerose are officially divorced. She gets nothing. Halle Berry vs Oliver Martinez. DJ Khalid loves ice cream and has the body to show for it. Tom Cruise has yet another new girlfriend. Christopher Scholtes needs to pay more attention to his kids. Judge Joe Brown is going hard on Kamala Harris. Willie Brown hooked Kamala up back in the day and wants his due. Kamala's other ex Phil Bronstein has “no comment”. He once was almost by a Komodo Dragon when he dated Sharon Stone. Leonardo DiCaprio has been stung by a jellyfish. Remember when Rihanna was on My Super Sweet 16? Sammy Davis Jr. once dabbled in the Church of Satan… because of the orgies. We watch his awesome disaster of a talk show in the 1970's. Come join us in support of the Kirk Gibson Foundation's 8th Annual Golf Classic on August 19 at Wyndgate Country Club in Rochester Hills, MI. See us October 25th at The Magic Bag with WATP! Visit Our Presenting Sponsor Hall Financial – Michigan's highest rated mortgage company If you'd like to help support the show… consider subscribing to our YouTube Page, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (The Drew Lane Show, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels, Jim Bentley and BranDon).

Thirty Seconds To Mars is playing Pine Knob on Tuesday as their Season World Tour makes a stop in Michigan. Jared Leto was nice enough to take a few minutes to speak with me about the band, his vast movie career, and much more.  I had to ask him about scaling the Empire State Building in New York City to announce the tour. "That was quite the experience," I asked him if he thought it was a bad idea. "Definitely. The first night, it was about 4 or 5 a.m., 40 degrees, 40 mph winds, and freezing cold. My hands were so numb I could barely hold on. But, it was beautiful. I've always been fascinated by the Empire State Building. It was an amazing way to launch the world tour—better than just sending out a tweet." You could say that! We also talked about the dichotomy of playing in his band live, versus filming a movie. "Performing with Thirty Seconds to Mars is special because I get to do it with my brother. The immediate connection with the audience is unique. Acting is collaborative and you often wait to see the final product. Both are rewarding in their own ways, but live music holds a special place in my heart." I asked him about highlights in his music and acting career. "Winning an Academy Award was a huge highlight, especially being able to thank my family. In music, having a song like "The Kill" that still resonates after all these years is a big win. There are also tough moments, but they fuel the journey." Since we're in Detroit, I had to ask him about Chad Smith playing "The Kill" without ever hearing it. Jared said he brought it up to him when he saw him at a huge event. "Yes, I saw that! It was awesome. We did a duet on TikTok reacting to it. Chad and I laughed about it when we met at the Super Bowl. It's cool seeing our music reach new audiences." The band did a tribute to Chester Bennington and Chris Cornell at the 2017 MTV Awards show. He spoke to me about the two singers we lost. "Yeah, I did. I toured with both of them, actually. And, they were both really kind, really, really gifted, kind people. You know, Chester, was a friend. And, you know, it's interesting, those things can be so surprising sometimes. But, you know, I was always struck by Chester and his joy. He always seemed to be, you know, to have a smile quickly, on his face. And Chris was very, gentle, in my experiences with him, and thoughtful and intelligent, and both of them just highly intelligent, kind, good people. And you know what? A loss to the world as well." That's well said.  Thirty Seconds To Mars will play Pine Knob on Tuesday, August 6th.

This week on the Roach Koach podcast, Lorin, Matt, and Jenny take you through the Greatest Night of their Lives as they recount their experience going backstage at Limp Bizkit's Loserville tour at Pine Knob and meeting Fred Durst. Huge thanks to Garrett Fuller and Michael Owen Smith of Wayne County Lyfe for helping make our dreams come true. Find some space on the green, crack a Celsius and take a listen!Exclusive episodes and more on the Roach Koach Patreon. New episodes of the Pact every month. Subscribe today! Rate and review Roach Koach on iTunes! We'd appreciate it! Questions about the show? Have album recommendations? Just want to say hi? We'd love to hear from you! Contact the show @RoachKoach on Twitter, Roach Koach on Facebook , Roach Koach on Instagram, or send an email to RoachKoachPodcast at Gmail. Follow the show on Youtube and TikTok! Find every episode of Roach Koach at Roach Koach dot com.

Corey Feldman & the Loserville Tour at Pine Knob, WATP's Karl in-studio with Stuttering John & Woke Dad clips, Halle Berry needs attention, Katy Perry's song bombing, Drew Crime: Black Swan Murder, and Billy Ray Cyrus caught on tape ripping his wife apart. We're fresh off the Loserville Tour at Pine Knob last night and it did not disappoint. The Bonfire with Big Jay Oakerson and Robert Kell are cool with us playing tons of Corey Feldman. Politics: A new bombshell poll has Kamala Harris up on Donald Trump. Trump played golf with Bryson DeChambeau and revealed his golf cart playlist. Did Joe Biden have a medical emergency on July 5th? Political violence in Michigan leads to a suicide. Kamala Harris has strong allies in the WNBA. Podcasting is racist/misogynistic. Billy Ray Cyrus was caught on an audio recording ripping his wife Firerose. Trace Cyrus is a country star now. We recall when Mel Gibson ended his career over recordings. We also remember the great Pat O'Brien voicemails. Drew Crime: Dino Guglielmelli is a load and a murderer. Hallie Berry needs attention. Katy Perry's comeback is BOMBING… but she looks great. Bracket: Not sexy “sexy” women. Tom Brady added Brooks Nader to his team photo of women he nailed. Drew Crime: The case of Ashley Benefield: The Black Swan Murderer. Joe Biden will address the nation tonight. Corey Feldman ROCKED Pine Knob last night. We share stories of our time observing Corey and Limp Bizkit. WATP's Karl is here to update us on Stuttering John Melendez. RIP Don Buchwald. Karl brings some more Woke Dad to make us cringe. Kamala Harris is firing up. A whale attacked a boat. Come see us October 25th at The Magic Bag with WATP! Visit Our Presenting Sponsor Hall Financial – Michigan's highest rated mortgage company If you'd like to help support the show… consider subscribing to our YouTube Page, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (The Drew Lane Show, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels, Jim Bentley and BranDon).

50 Worst Album Covers, Secret Service head Kimberly Cheatle quits, Tiger Woods snub fans, Bachelor alum death threats, Jimmy Carter is alive, and revisiting playboy Joe Biden. We're recording early today so we can make it in time to see Corey Feldman (and Limp Bizkit) LIVE at Pine Knob. Secret Service head Kimberly Cheatle resigned today. The Secret Service delete messages sent during January 6th. George Clooney is sniffing his own farts during his victory lap. Kamala Harris has been raising some serious money and getting endorsements left and right. Judge Joe Brown is not a fan of Momala. Donald Trump is leading in the polls. Charli XCX declares Kamala Harris ‘brat'. The Professor of Rock is the new Rick Beato for Drew. Sports: Former University of Michigan football hero Connor Stalions kept quiet until Netflix came knocking. Tarik Skubal trade talk is so HOT right now. MLB Hall of Fame Pudge Rodriguez is a fantastic plumbing advocate. Charlie Woods sucked it up locally and then snubbed fans. Which Tiger Woods receptacle would win in a golf tournament? Bachelor contestant Anna Redman is receiving death threats. She's super sorry. Chris Brown back to doing Chris Brown things. He's being sued for $50M. Marc kills Jimmy Carter, who is still alive as of this post. Joe Biden: Death and the All-American Boy. Proof of life has been achieved. New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez finally steps down after being convicted. Rolling Stone's 50 Worst Album Covers of All Time. Ben Affleck is packing on the pounds now that J Lo isn't around to make him work out. Update: Flavor Flav could not join us because he's enjoying Taylor Swift in Germany. The Paris Olympics will be a nice distraction. The Netherlands Steven van de Velde shouldn't participate. Join us tomorrow with Karl Hamburger in-studio. Visit Our Presenting Sponsor Hall Financial – Michigan's highest rated mortgage company If you'd like to help support the show… consider subscribing to our YouTube Page, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (The Drew Lane Show, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels, Jim Bentley and BranDon).

"Celebrating July 4th with Grateful Dead Memories and Rolling Stones Reverence"Larry Mishkin highlights a memorable Grateful Dead concert from July 1984 at Pine Knob Music Theater in Clarkston, Michigan, which holds special significance for Larry and his friends who attended the University of Michigan. He reflects on how attending this concert was a fitting farewell for his crew as they wrapped up their college years.The show begins with the Grateful Dead's lively rendition of "Iko Iko," a song with a rich history and a favorite of Larry's. He shares his experiences of following the Dead's tour in 1984, which included several memorable concerts. He discusses the band's performance of "Little Red Rooster," a blues classic by Willie Dixon, and how it sometimes felt like a letdown after high-energy openers but ultimately captivated the audience with its jam session.Larry then shifts to music news, discussing the origins of the song "Cover of the Rolling Stone" by Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show, written by Shel Silverstein. He highlights Silverstein's diverse contributions to music and literature, including his work with Johnny Cash and Dr. Hook.The episode transitions to Larry's recent experience at a Rolling Stones concert at Soldier Field in Chicago. He recounts the thrill of seeing the Stones live, especially with Mick Jagger's energetic performance and the band's enduring musical prowess. The setlist included classics like "Start Me Up," "Wild Horses," "Sympathy for the Devil," "Gimme Shelter," and "Jumpin' Jack Flash." Larry praises the band's longevity and urges listeners to seize any opportunity to see the Rolling Stones live.  In more music news, Larry introduces Daniel Donato, a rising star in the Cosmic Country genre, who recently performed at the Chop Shop in Chicago. He expresses his admiration for Donato's music, hinting at a promising future for the young artist. July 1, 1984Pine Knob Music TheaterClarkston, MI (Detroit)Grateful Dead Live at Pine Knob Music Theatre on 1984-07-01 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive The last night in Ann Arbor, what better way to say goodbye after 4 amazing years than go to a “hometown” Dead show.  Our whole crew was there, Harold's birthday, great seats in the pavilion and a memorable show.  Always memorable when they start out like this:  INTRO:                                 Iko Iko                                                Track #1                                                0:10 – 1:36  SHOW No. 1:                    Little Red Rooster                                                Track #2                                                5:00 – 6:48 MUSIC NEWS: Stones reviewDaniel Donato reviewNeil Young cancels remainder of summer tour dates due to illnessWillie Nelson sitting out Outlaw Music Festivals – our rock idols are getting old (see Stones!) SHOW No. 2:                    Might As Well                                                Track # 8                                                1:07 – 2:45 SHOW No. 3:                    I Need A Miracle                                                Track # 16                                                1:47 – 3:17MJ NEWS: IRS Advises Marijuana Businesses That They Still Can't Take Federal Tax Deductions Due To 280E Until Rescheduling Is Finalized2.      Maryland Governor Launches Marijuana Workforce Development Program Focused On People Criminalized Over Cannabis3.    Marijuana Rescheduling Won't Affect Drug Testing For Truckers, Transportation Secretary Buttigieg Say4.    House committee votes to include intoxicating hemp ban in draft Farm Bill SHOW No. 4:                    Bertha                                                Track # 17                                                3:24 – 5:00OUTRO:                               It's All Over Now Baby Blue                                                Track #19                                                5:10 – 6:33 .Produced by PodConx Deadhead Cannabis Show - https://podconx.com/podcasts/deadhead-cannabis-showLarry Mishkin - https://podconx.com/guests/larry-mishkinRob Hunt - https://podconx.com/guests/rob-huntJay Blakesberg - https://podconx.com/guests/jay-blakesbergSound Designed by Jamie Humiston - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamie-humiston-91718b1b3/Recorded on Squadcast

Kid Rock v. Rolling Stone Magazine, Iran's president killed, “Jacked-up” Joe Biden, Chet Hanks explains Drake v. Kendrick Lamar, Pine Knob's summer schedule, and a crazy LA police chase by a homeless woman. The show has discovered Reese's Popcorn. The Donald Trump Trial resumes. Michael Cohen admitted to stealing some money from the Trump Org. Most Americans aren't paying attention to the trial. Iran's president, foreign minister and 6 others are dead in helicopter crash. Iranian women hope they can show their faces now. Sinbad not looking too good these days. Johnny Knoxville sued for pranking the wrong dude. Cannes 2024: Demi Moore is nude in The Substance. She has “learned so much” about herself. Kevin Costner tears up at his own greatness in the most boring sounding movie. Hip Hop News: LeBron James has unfollowed Diddy on Instagram despite hanging out with him last month. Chet Hanks explains the Kendrick Lamar/Drake beef to Tom Hanks. If DJ Akademiks goes down, everybody is going down. Diddy is going down. Influencer Charleston White forgives Diddy. Antonio Brown continues his gay attacks on Shannon Sharpe and Diddy. TMZ seems to be doing damage control on Britney. Baywatch's Jeremy Jackson's ex is still homeless… but has a killer rack. A bloody homeless lady in LA led police on a chase going the wrong way on the highway. A NASCAR race led to punches thrown after the checkered flag. Blacks for Trump. Where is Thomas Markle these days? Rolling Stone dropped a long article on Kid Rock. The author is not a huge fan of him. Pearl Jam's Eddie Vedder made fun of Kansas City Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker. “Successful podcaster” and Eminem's daughter Hailie Jade got married. Maria Bartiromo claims that Joe Biden is totally jacked-up. Terrence Howard brought the crazy on Joe Rogan. Ben Affleck and JLo spent Sunday together. Detroit Free Press writer Brian McCollum breaks down the Megan Thee Stallion concert. Check out the shows coming to Pine Knob this summer. American Idol announced a winner and nobody cared. Trudi needs joke help for the Roast of Doug Podell. Call or text 209-66-Boner with your suggestions. Visit Our Presenting Sponsor Hall Financial – Michigan's highest rated mortgage company If you'd like to help support the show… consider subscribing to our YouTube Page, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (The Drew Lane Show, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels, Jim Bentley and BranDon).

Joe Biden's friendly press tour, Eli Zaret stops by, campus protests, Halle Berry's menopause, Hard Rock Nick, Radio Hall of Fame nominations, and a big reveal on The Masked Singer. Paul McCartney is responding to 50-year-old messages… about 40 years too late. Roger Daltrey popped up on Bill Maher. Eli Zaret drops by after purchasing the Bally Sports app, the Detroit Tigers losing streak, the fall of ESPN, Patrick Beverly's podcast promotion , Caitlin Clark's payroll, University of Georgia football coach Kirby Smart's new ridiculous deal, LeBron James' future, the NCAA's back-pay for NIL, call for a new NFL Draft host and more. Did you now George Foreman once fought 5 dudes in a single night? Life was super hard for Logan Paul after he scammed a bunch of people with Cryptocurrency. WATP covered three former presidents on the SmartLess podcast. Joe has been making the friendly rounds lately. College campus negotiations are going well. Mitch Albom has some hot takes about it. Gretchen Whitmer is being heckled as well. Halle Berry is experiencing Menopause and claims her doctors won't talk to her about it. Email Drew about your fun Menopause stories. Baby Reindeer is a big hit on Netflix. Jerry Seinfeld's Unfrosted on Netflix is getting terrible reviews. A familiar voice was unmasked on Fox's The Masked Singer. Music: Down goes Vince Neil! Marc went to the 60th Birthday Celebration for Maynard James Keenan at Pine Knob. Justin Bieber got hair plugs. Kendrick Lamar and Drake continue to beef even though they are in their late thirties. Pearl Jam opened up their tour in Vancouver. Randy Travis released a new song after losing his voice thanks to AI. Hard Rock Nick is Drew's favorite new social media influencer. Britney Spears remains crazy. Her and her drug-dealing boyfriend wrecked a hotel room. We watch a fantastic K-Fed performance from the Teen Choice Awards. Battle of the ABC Weather forecasters: Rob Marciano vs Ginger Lee. 2024 Radio Hall of Fame nominees. The Donald Trump trial will resume this week. Ivanka is retired from political life. Warde Manuel did an interview with the Free Press and came out looking worse. RIP Darius Morris. John Beilein is sad. Visit Our Presenting Sponsor Hall Financial – Michigan's highest rated mortgage company If you'd like to help support the show… consider subscribing to our YouTube Page, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (The Drew Lane Show, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels, Jim Bentley and BranDon).

This week on the Roach Koach podcast it's all about Who's Tweeting. Lorin and Matt break down your feedback, lists, nu news, and so much more. Topics this week include:-A Patreon push!-Celebrating 8 years of the Koach-Roach Koach Meetup 2024 at Pine Knob with Limp Bizkit-Roach Koach live stream-Who's Touring with Ill Nino-The Nu-Metal Agenda's Post Grunge List-The Axl Rose Rhythm Method-Matt's dating life-Who's Festing with Rock Fest 2024-Who's in those DMs-And introducing a new list! Take a listen!Exclusive episodes and more on the Roach Koach Patreon. New episodes of the Pact every month. Subscribe today! Rate and review Roach Koach on iTunes! We'd appreciate it! Questions about the show? Have album recommendations? Just want to say hi? We'd love to hear from you! Contact the show @RoachKoach on Twitter, Roach Koach on Facebook , Roach Koach on Instagram, or send an email to RoachKoachPodcast at Gmail. Follow the show on Youtube and TikTok! Find every episode of Roach Koach at Roach Koach dot com.

What a pleasure to have James "JY" Young in the studio to talk all things Styx, and more. The upcoming "Renegades and Juke Box Heroes" tour features Foreigner and John Waite. They'll be playing Pine Knob on June 15th. We talked about a lot of topics. Playing in the band with great musicians like Tommy Shaw, and Lawrence Gowen. Where does Styx live in the music world...Rock or Progressive Rock? JY answers that question. "It's hard to define us because a lot of the stuff is prog. But, ya know, some of the ballads are pretty much straight-ahead rock ballads." That led to how JY got into music. How did the Grunge era affect them? At first, he said "Zero" as far as the music was concerned.  But he did say that the band may have seen a dip in concert attendance, but that's passed and now they're selling lots of tickets. Did the Beatles playing on The Ed Sullivan Show influence him? He said they did, but older siblings did too. He expanded on that. What legendary guitarist did he see live five times? I'm not sure if I've ever met anyone who has seen the player so many times. "That's the most profound influence on my playing," he said of the guitarist. I asked him his thoughts on the Rock N' Roll Hall Of Fame. "Well, I don't know. It's very East Coast-centric for people that have a vote. Styx probably deserves to be in there, but I'm not holding my breath." He didn't mention names, but at the end of the day, he said it's about the fans and music. He spoke of fans telling him about how Styx's music helped them through periods of their lives. "Music affects everyone differently, and we've made some great records." It was a thrill to have JY, and the band's manager, George, in the studio with me. A huge pleasure.

WATP Karl takes down Amy Robach & TJ Holmes' new podcast, Jamie Foxx breaks his silence, RIP Lionel Dahmer, Murder in Boston on Max, farts on TV, Jamie Spears loses his leg, and Elton John is a sellout. Corey Feldman and Limp Bizkit are coming to Pine Knob in July 2024. We'll be there! RIP Denny Laine. Elton John is a sellout. We also have serious doubts about how much he really needed Bernie Taupin. One of our all time favorite guests, Bobcat Goldthwait, will join us tomorrow. Brenda Lee is finally #1. Rated X-mas is #1 in our hearts. Tiger Woods gave some us some great moments. Two Public Farts on TV: Tampa Bay Lightening's Andrei Vasilevskiy and one during John Kerry's boring climate speech. John Fetterman trolled Bob Menendez by purchasing a George Santos Cameo. We're being invaded by well dressed men from China. Kelsey Grammer is pro-Trump and that's not good for interviews. People believe Donald Trump is the next dictator. Angelina Jolie's quotes in her new interview are so relatable. WATP's Karl Hamburger drops by to rip apart the brand-new Amy and T.J. Podcast, pile-on Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel, update us on that oaf StutJo and more. Speaking of Amy & TJ, their ex's are now having sexual relations with each other. Jamie Foxx has finally broken his silence… by telling us nothing. BranDon has been binging Squid Game: The Challenge reality show on Netflix. RIP Lionel Dahmer- father of Jeffrey. Murder in Boston: Roots, Rampage & Reckoning is out now on Max about the murder of Carol Stuart. There is an Illinois high school segregating classes. Blind Side Battle: Michael Oher vs the Tuohy family. Jamie Spears lost his leg. Cardi B and Offset may be finished again as they unfollowed each other on Instagram. Carmen Electra is on OnlyFans and waiting for your money. ML Soul of Detroit hosted Dan Wetzel today, but Shawn's childhood stories are the real highlight. Check it out. Use our Amazon portal for all Amazon needs. Visit Our Presenting Sponsor Hall Financial – Michigan's highest rated mortgage company If you'd like to help support the show… please consider subscribing to our YouTube Page, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (Drew and Mike Show, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels, Jim Bentley and BranDon).

WATP Karl reviews Detroit's 'Sounds Funny Radio', Jamie Foxx's new TV show, Brie Larson v. a journalist over Johnny Depp's film, fart requests, Britney Spears: The Price of Freedom, new Cameos, Still: A Michael J. Fox Movie, and Drew Crime wants better internet policing. Call 209-66-Boner to request your very own fart. A new documentary on Anna Nicole Smith has dropped on Netflix and it's full of fantastic phone calls to the love of her life: J. Howard Marshall. Drew Crime: Another mass shooting, this time in New Mexico. Drew tells the tale of a cyber-stalker who stalks smoking hot realtors. Some people are saying the perpetrator, Andy Castillo, looks like Mike Clark's long lost cousin named Miguel Clark. Drew calls for the formation of the Internet Police. Flint's John Cole grooms kids, infects people with HIV, AND has a podcast. Grab your EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal by going to nordvpn.com/dams to get a Huge Discount off your NordVPN Plan + a Bonus Gift! It's completely risk free with Nord's 30-day money-back guarantee. WATP's Karl joins the show to discuss his local crime connections, review Julie Hind's favorite podcast (Sounds Funny Radio), and hit on his next WATP topic... The Jade & Andy Show. Post Malone is coming to Pine Knob. Hell yeah, man. Congratulations dude, that's amazing. Jamie Foxx already has a new show... even though he's in rehab recovering from a stroke. The Simpsons are complicit in the crimes of Scientology. TMZ Investigates: Britney Spears: The Price of Freedom dropped. Johnny Depp nets $20M for his stinky cologne. Amber Heard supporters protest evil Johnny Depp at Cannes Film Festival... that is, they protest on the internet because protests are banned there. Corey Feldman is playing Riot Fest 2023 and some people on the internet are pissed off. Corey Feldman is Katy Perry's father. Cameo is pushing the stars with new celebrities that can send you a video for money. The Tennessee Titans win the Schedule Announcement Award video. Miller Lite's latest ad campaign continues to get scrutinized. The Red Shovel Studios has mice. Still: A Michael J. Fox Movie is out on Apple TV+. It's well worth the watch. Double E and friends looking gooooood. Berkley Festival shuts down early because Berkley is extremely dangerous. Like, that could have been Marc. Ian Clifford wants more money from IBM for doing zero work. Visit Our Presenting Sponsor Hall Financial – Michigan's highest rated mortgage company If you'd like to help support the show… please consider subscribing to our YouTube Page, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (Drew and Mike Show, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels, Jim Bentley and BranDon). Or don't, whatever.