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Pastor Newms: [0:11] All right we're they can hear us.   Pastor Bill: [0:13] Cool we said it's so weird.   Pastor Newms: [0:19] Although the little weekly episode thing didn't didn't show for some reason.   Pastor Bill: [0:29] The image that's weird.   Pastor Newms: [0:43] I don't remember what button it is to look at the other thing to launch there's a button I can press and it lets me edit a screen while I'm displaying a different screen. Try to see why but I don't know how to do it for some reason. Like I can't.   Pastor Bill: [1:53] With our faces live.   Pastor Newms: [1:54] Yeah or else it'll restart the countdown.   Pastor Bill: [1:57] Why was there one-and-a-half countdowns in that.   Pastor Newms: [2:02] Where did we have ready.   Pastor Bill: [2:02] You know just want to show everybody has plenty of time to show up.   Pastor Newms: [2:08] Divided we have 17 and a half thingies why was there 45 minutes of countdown Newms was playing with stuff again.   [2:20] Hey go go big or go home man.   Pastor Bill: [2:27] That is the Texas motto go big or go back to California that's just that's how we roll. It's already people have been moving here from California its rear.   Pastor Newms: [2:39] And the funny thing is like California is claiming it's not happening they're like no one's actually leaving I saw.   Pastor Bill: [2:50] People are showing up all the time from California in Texas I just moved here from California.   Pastor Newms: [2:56] I saw this news article it was like the great California migration is not actually happening and I was like. Huh that's interesting all right I don't even want to read the article because yeah. Hmm. Well it's one of those percentages let's look at percentages the number of people that are leaving really isn't that big it just feels like it's huge because.   Pastor Bill: [3:34] It's a feel the impact here. Of all the people who are coming to Texas from other states it feels like the majority of them are coming from California.   Pastor Newms: [3:49] And there's this other thing going on right now in New York it was Morgan's the CEO of Morgan Stanley I think it was released this thing about how, they are not going to continue. Employees cannot expect to make New York rates if they're not working in New York. Because during the pandemic you know a lot of people won't work from home and then a lot of people moved because companies are like we're going to go to work from home. As a benefit you know blah blah blah and now some companies are like okay it's time to come back and people are like.   [4:39] Or I don't want to and they're like okay well we're not going to pay you the same because if you're not having his argument was if you're not having to pay to live in New York why should I pay you like you live in New York. And it was like I was like hmm. Well obviously we now know why the CEO of Stanley Morgan house and the CEO of Stanley Morgan pays his employees which is bare minimum hey they can see your face now I didn't do any countdown for you they can see your face now.   Pastor Bill: [5:17] Cool I'm clean my glasses for like the last three minutes.   Pastor Newms: [5:20] It was literally like one second but I was just like hmm.   Pastor Bill: [5:28] Okay so officially welcome to the live recording of season 3 episode 37 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian if you're listening to this as a podcast that has been proved recorded, then you are invited to come join us on Sunday evenings at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time, most Sundays we take a Sunday off here or there from time to time but it's rare that we take a Sunday off and we would love for you to come and watch live as we broadcast, Pastor Newms and myself recording this podcast you can do that on Facebook, YouTube, and Twitch. We used to have Periscope before they went Belly Up, and hopefully Twitter will follow suite because that is a dark place with lots of hurting people that want to hurt, and so.   Pastor Newms: [6:35] It's cuz the moderation is so low the the the community guidelines allow for so much it's kind of like.   Pastor Bill: [6:43] It's bad man.   Pastor Newms: [6:44] It's kind of like super super publicized Reddit because Twitter allows pretty much anything.   Pastor Bill: [6:53] I never go onto Twitter the only stuff that shows all the Twitter from my stuff is stuff that's pushed their from other places as an automatic push I never go to Twitter to post I never go to Twitter to read I, I got disgusted by Twitter a very long time ago, and I think Matt Smith's doctor said it best when he said Twitter so.   Pastor Newms: [7:25] Which I updated my pops and one of them wrong side is an adipose.   Pastor Bill: [7:34] Barely see that yeah.   Pastor Newms: [7:35] I know I tried to install some nice lighting.   Pastor Bill: [7:39] There you go now I can see it.   Pastor Newms: [7:40] And I thought it was going to work and it doesn't and shows up really really bad in stream and then I tried to mess with it.   Pastor Bill: [7:46] You're with your red lights off I can actually see the axe now.   Pastor Newms: [7:52] Which makes no sense because the whole reason why we did it was because you couldn't see it two weeks ago.   Pastor Bill: [7:59] So what it looks like right now is that you painted the shape of an axe in vanta black 2.0 onto the desk that's what it looks like.   Pastor Newms: [8:10] Totally not the case hey you want to see how fast we get band off YouTube.   Pastor Bill: [8:16] Pretty quick if you keep swinging that around.   Pastor Newms: [8:18] Sorry I just thought about that, one of my favorite channels on YouTube actually got demonetized this week and the.   Pastor Bill: [8:27] Oh no.   Pastor Newms: [8:28] The two people that run the channel were crying effectively because.   Pastor Bill: [8:34] Such a mat such a Minefield trying to monetize your YouTube and then, these companies it data either don't make it clear enough or people just don't think to hire a lawyer to read the community guidelines to explain to them.   Pastor Newms: [8:50] Well that's.   Pastor Bill: [8:51] Isn't isn't acceptable.   Pastor Newms: [8:52] This particular show like this particular channel is so big that they actually get approval from YouTube before anything is posted, so they go through an approval approval process to post so every video they submit it, they wait and then it gets approved and that's after the editors that they have that they've hired, actually go in and put extra stuff and you know the whole nine and, so all of their videos are approved by YouTube and then someone went in, and demonetized in one day 3/4 of their backlog and they post multiple videos a day and it, they've made it their entire, you know social media is their entire career it's a it's a I don't even think their fiance's it's MRX play, MRX plays and he does streaming and she does streaming and then they have a channel together where they do stuff and they're both on Twitch and you know there, they're funny and.   [10:09] It's it's so it was so heartbreaking because I saw like the thumbnail you know they do the click bait thumbnails it's one of the things they're known for and so you're like who who's and and I was like, wait why is she crying that's not a fun clickbait thumbnail usually it's like something that's, borderline inappropriate with like a thing over it so that way it's not not inappropriate like you and you're like I um, and and they were just on their crying because, angry angry and crying and you know just everything because their entire Channel and they actually showed screenshots of it and it was like just due to do to all of them demonetised and then there'd be one that wasn't, and then all of them and then one that wasn't for some reason and it's just like. And all of them had been approved gone through the approval it's just social media and making a career out of it is rough and, you know every now and then I think about it I'm like I think I could do that I think we could I think I can get and then I see stuff like that I'm like I don't wanna, I'll stick to my day job like.   Pastor Bill: [11:30] Have the rug pulled out from underneath you like that is.   Pastor Newms: [11:34] And I know no logic behind it is the other frustrating thing you know there's no, it's like I was talking to another friend of mine who's working on a game and he's like we're going to have it's a streamer based game and I was like oh that's great and sounds great and he's like and we're going to have you know one of the aspects is you can play, music because people like to play and I was like what kind and it's like oh well it's drm-free, you know licensed and allow and you're like well, just so you know twitch keeps popping people for that still because it's close enough to a regular song that their algorithm picks it up and pops them Cyberpunk 2077 went through that where they had to, there was a setting that was like monetized or demonetized. Music and then people were still getting popped for having music and it's like so the world of social media is a Minefield to say the least, trying to make a, anything out of it you're trying to make money off of it.   Pastor Bill: [12:53] Yeah.   Pastor Newms: [12:55] Or have people find your stuff either way you know.   [13:05] Yeah and that's the other thing if your if your stuff is not mocked the monetized stuff of course gets recommended more often than the demonetized stuff so you know, anyway how was your week Pastor Bill.   Pastor Bill: [13:21] You're supposed to say about your week first otherwise I get all off track and.   Pastor Newms: [13:25] I just did a 13-minute diatribe on something completely different do I really have to.   Pastor Bill: [13:30] How was your week Pastor Newms.   [13:42] Dollar dollar hay dolor de la a $8,000 $8,000.   Pastor Newms: [13:49] See he claims it folks you all saw it and heard it something anyway that was pretty good busy I changed my office around a little bit, like I said I refresh to the behind me I installed lights that don't actually work let's count you you want to you want to play don't count.   Pastor Bill: [14:06] Let's count the screens - uno dos tres cuatro cinco.   Pastor Newms: [14:11] So so and then and then I did this.   Pastor Bill: [14:15] Go screens.   Pastor Newms: [14:17] And it just it I don't I hate it I don't like it at all.   Pastor Bill: [14:24] Is there a is there a Min because because the podcast version they can't hear what you're saying but it's the string of red lights.   Pastor Newms: [14:30] Yep.   Pastor Bill: [14:31] Over top of your pops behind you and over top of your new acts that you bought is there a lip on that shelf under that a shovel you could put it under to hide the light.   Pastor Newms: [14:41] There's not, and so it's all good it's just it's one of those things where and you know those LED lights are like seven bucks so it's not like I've blown a bunch of money on it or something it's just, frustrating when you're like this would be nice and then you put it on your like that looks terrible but yes I do now have so I have my two screens for, my personal computer and my camera in the Middle High, and then I have my main computer and then I have work screen one, which is the actual laptop which you guys can't see and then screen to and then screen 3 which you guys can see and then my whiteboard, up above it and then Tina's desk is still there because we haven't moved it yet.   [15:31] Yeah I rotate it around my pops though I like to do that every now and then, I got some of the Skyrim ones back out the the White run guard, which if you don't know cause you don't know a fun thing about him is there's a line in the game where every time you you know you talked to the guards there's random things they say write one of the things is, haven't I took an arrow to the knee, and if they say it constantly and it's just it gets to a point where like I'm going to put an arrow in your knee like you're just annoying and the pop actually has an arrow in his knee.   [16:16] And so it's like how nice so.   Pastor Bill: [16:21] Yeah so my work is good caught the season finale of Loki season one lucky finale it was fantastic no spoilers but it was visually stunning, I highly recommend everyone go see the Loki series on Disney Plus.   Pastor Newms: [16:40] That's another thing that I hate social media for but that's beside the point.   Pastor Bill: [16:44] Oh because of spoilers.   Pastor Newms: [16:45] While of the spoiler alert but while they're doing spoiler alert the tags on the bottom and the text behind them clearly spoils it and you're like it doesn't it doesn't help. You've already spoiled it for me now so I know who the bad guy is because your class played as him and then you say spoiler alert as opposed to just cosplaying as the guy and if you get it you get it but now.   Pastor Bill: [17:17] Even that you went a little farther after I just said no spoilers.   Pastor Newms: [17:17] Anyway no I didn't I didn't go any far I said there's a main bad guy what does that tell anybody there's always a main bad guy.   Pastor Bill: [17:31] Sometimes it was a main bad girl.   Pastor Newms: [17:36] I'm using the gender inclusive guy not the actual guy.   Pastor Bill: [17:41] The guy named guy guy fog to folks who blew up the tried to blow up Parliament.   Pastor Newms: [17:46] Like like I don't actually know who the guy is I just know that there is a guy I guess.   Pastor Bill: [17:55] Okay.   Pastor Newms: [17:56] But let's be honest it's Marvel so knowing there's a guy.   Pastor Bill: [18:03] Knowing the list of bad guys from Marvel doesn't really help you.   Pastor Newms: [18:06] Doesn't help you at all like and especially when you're talking about something like Loki because it's one of those where it's like who hasn't he made mad like anyone anyone.   Pastor Bill: [18:20] HPuff says you could have said that a bad y'all Roxanne on YouTube says you could have said the big bad.   Pastor Newms: [18:27] I hate the term the big bad.   Pastor Bill: [18:28] HPuff also says bad person or bad them you didn't have to say bad guy.   Pastor Newms: [18:33] I just said bad guy. I don't even yeah I said bad guy because the person I was complaining about was a guy I don't I don't even know if the character is to be honest.   Pastor Bill: [18:49] So they're coming out with Pops that are based off the Loki he series and if you don't want spoilers then don't go look up the Pops because good Lord, um but there is one Pop in particular that I want but I can't tell you which one it is because just saying the name of the Pop would be a spoiler and I don't want to spoil the adventure for anybody that is going to go watch the Loki series, but there will be a season 2 which is fantastic, the final scene you know they do to they did an extra scene at the, mid-credits on the last episode and it was a file folder and a pancake down and put a stamp and then when the stamp came off it was a red stamp that said look he will return for season 2, which was how they confirmed that there'd be a season 2.   Pastor Newms: [19:41] That's a nice way of confirming it.   Pastor Bill: [19:44] So that was fun, and let's see we had some birthdays this week my mother-in-law her husband my father-in-law my son my wife, all of their birthdays were this week so we celebrated all of that so that was fun and we had a, party yesterday where we dressed up as characters from the show Gravity Falls, and it was amazing it was so much fun I dressed up as Sous I put a big question mark in Black duct tape on my shirt and I talked in a Soos voice all day, um except for when I was on the phone with Newms I use my normal voice for that but the rest of the day when I was at the party I was using my Soos voice.   Pastor Newms: [20:39] Which I had to not get get mad at somebody but I got real mad at somebody that was at the party with you because I heard them twice call you Zeus. And I was like.   Pastor Bill: [20:57] It isnt Zeus. I can't tell you nominate my name is Soos its short for Jesus it's Soos.   Pastor Newms: [21:08] It was it was.   Pastor Bill: [21:09] What.   Pastor Newms: [21:10] It was that is a show that I really wish they had made more of, it ends well but there's always next summer like.   Pastor Bill: [21:25] Right it could have gone another summer.   Pastor Newms: [21:28] You could have easily gone back I want Dipper as an adult.   Pastor Bill: [21:31] Crammed so much into one summer like so much so yeah.   Pastor Newms: [21:38] But it was funny because the girls were watching it the girls are always watching it at some point it's kind of one of their go-to shows but they were watching it at some point, and it's really funny hearing some of the voices from other shows that the Collision house does not recommend, but comes on in about two hours and.   Pastor Bill: [22:02] On a human level we recommend them for people who have strong spiritual beliefs that allow them. To watch and interact with things like that but as a church.   Pastor Newms: [22:14] Yes we do.   Pastor Bill: [22:16] I commend those that are weak of spirit.   Pastor Newms: [22:18] Yes.   Pastor Bill: [22:19] And so are easily beset to avoid certain.   Pastor Newms: [22:23] Yes I do not recommend in any way people watch shows that are inappropriate that they cannot handle because they are spiritually not at a point where they can but.   Pastor Bill: [22:36] For those of you that.   Pastor Newms: [22:36] The rest of us.   Pastor Bill: [22:37] The podcast Pastor Newms is currently holding up a pop of Rick and Morty where Rick is a bear.   Pastor Newms: [22:45] No it's a clone.   Pastor Bill: [22:46] Well it's a he's a Teddy Rick is a wasn't that the Rick from another, another dimension.   Pastor Newms: [22:56] So I keep some of my Pops in my room Mister Poopy Butthole is one of them, HP Phoenix asked where my Mr. Poopy Butthole Pop is and he stays in my room just because it doesn't need to be behind me because there's only so many times you can say Mr. Poopy Butthole and I think we are already past the allowable times so.   [23:30] I love that show.   Pastor Bill: [23:31] Okay.   Pastor Newms: [23:31] Oh so what I was going to say about that show you mentioned the Loki ending getting moving thing so they've done something with Adult Swim we're at the end of each episode, on Adult Swim they actually do like a 45 second minute-and-a-half someone, that was instrumental in that particular episode talks about the episode so it's always the main creator, and then it's one of the writers or one of the animators or somebody else and they do like this really short and they have been so good because Rick and Morty always does the ending credit scene, but then this little extra snippet of.   [24:24] I can't believe we did this, why did we do that Dan came to us and said this is where the episode is going to end and we all went, huh how we going to get there and he went and walked out of the room so we wrote it you know so it's just it's just kind of you know it's been fun seeing some of those because you get that little bit of a not like the DS9 the other day where the extra credits came up, well me and Pastor Bill were watching it and it was like, to our behind-the-scenes we're like no it is 11:45 at night we are not watching a two hours for.   Pastor Bill: [25:10] Yeah I was like is this was this was 10 minutes cool I'm not sitting here for two hours and listen to them talk about DS9 season one.   Pastor Newms: [25:22] And I think it's an interesting thought looking at the past to now I thought that was a good analogy, of where we've come from you know DVD box sets with you know hundreds of credit hours and a thousand extra this and people are like no, I need 45 seconds at the end of every episode like and so it's interesting to see how the world has changed.   Pastor Bill: [25:50] That stuff out.   Pastor Newms: [25:52] No one wants to sit for two hours and hear you talk about it well I won't say that nobody does but.   Pastor Bill: [25:58] The only making of you know Insight whatever thing that I feel is at all the way through the whole thing is the one that came with the. Knight's Tale with Heath Ledger.   Pastor Newms: [26:17] Okay why.   Pastor Bill: [26:18] Yeah because that movie is awesome.   Pastor Newms: [26:21] I agree okay.   Pastor Bill: [26:28] Yeah it is why I don't watch any other ones anymore, anyway so now it's time for Pastor Newms favorite segments and since we're on an odd-numbered episode we pull a card from my deck and instead of the new deck that.   Pastor Newms: [26:47] Or just because.   Pastor Bill: [26:48] Lovely ladies that the holding household got for us.   Pastor Newms: [26:50] Or just because last week we did want to find you know whichever way you want to look at it all right Pod Decks let's go it's better be valid is better be valid.   Pastor Bill: [26:59] Yeah Pod Decks its products is awesome.   Pastor Newms: [27:13] No I'll be done at some point when we're dead continue.   Pastor Bill: [27:22] What are you most excited about right now and we already answered that question so we can move on, we're talking about your weekend my weekend things going okay what are we what are you most excited about right now bud. But I felt I felt Canadian for a second.   Pastor Newms: [27:45] I was that was gross I think the thing I'm most excited about is your computer coming in soon.   Pastor Bill: [27:53] They are actually building it right now yeah I got an email, this week that finally six business weeks after we ordered it who talks that way who says.   Pastor Newms: [28:04] Foreign companies.   Pastor Bill: [28:05] Business weeks anyway six business weeks after we ordered it I finally got the. Notification that they are collecting the pieces from throughout the warehouse and assembling my computer that we ordered that will go right down there on my left hand side. And stick out. Probably five six inches from where the desk ends here.   [28:46] Mr. Greg he joins us on Twitch he says I'm like I got distracted by buying and crafts.   Pastor Newms: [28:54] It just just break your wall why not.   Pastor Bill: [28:58] McCain was hang in there and.   Pastor Newms: [28:59] Hmm.   Pastor Bill: [29:02] Cinema release it all the way over here or I'm doing stuff and so I'm off to the far right no ma'am I'm you know, I'm over here ish more you know at my desk but for the purposes of this video recording I'm over here and then so that is a space for Pastor Newms to be over here on my left hand side, Chillin blow The Ekklesian House logo, which aluminum doing my hands just like kind of guessing where things are since I can't actually see the screen.   Pastor Newms: [29:35] I'm here in the logos up there see.   Pastor Bill: [29:40] There you go you are there and the logos about you.   Pastor Newms: [29:44] Not above you above me.   Pastor Bill: [29:46] No not about me what's above me is my free hugs shirt.   Pastor Newms: [29:49] No it's to the.   Pastor Bill: [29:52] This is leftish of me my left is not your luck just.   Pastor Newms: [29:56] I know that's why I went because it was just easy here, have fun - transcribing that it's over in the.   Pastor Bill: [30:05] Yeah mmm over the moon corner of your screen.   Pastor Newms: [30:10] I'm very excited about that because.   Pastor Bill: [30:15] Oh yeah we didn't really dance.   Pastor Newms: [30:16] We are going to start streaming more individually together playing games. And it's going to be fun because I have a ton of games that I've played for years or games that I've thoroughly enjoyed and you've watched part of and now we'll get to, go at it and we're going to be very careful with how we do this because. We there's a lot to get through there's ten years of games you haven't played to get through and it's going to be a minute so.   Pastor Bill: [31:01] But we're both storyline people so it's going to work out great because we're actually going to take the time on games that have storylines to get Destroyer lines instead of just blowing right past them, like you were talking about a narc, Zombies Storyline stuff and the people you've been playing with it's been all about let's build this as build this achieve this was achieve this was move on and there's so much story that, we can go back and just.   Pastor Newms: [31:28] Well and, and there were years of me being at Pizza Hut the main thing about that one is there were years that I missed and so like they've played a lot more than I have and so for them they can get to a certain point real quick and I'm like, I have stone and so it's yeah.   Pastor Bill: [31:52] HPuff says the chronicles of Pastor Bill.   [32:07] As some burping that was going on I was trying to keep it as quiet as possible.   Pastor Newms: [32:10] Don't do that don't do that it's rude.   Pastor Bill: [32:13] All right so this week oh I didn't talk about what I was excited about I'm excited about.   [32:29] I'm sure there's something.   [32:35] A new computers coming in.   Pastor Newms: [32:39] Haha stole that one try.   Pastor Bill: [32:41] 6:30 now, I've got some side project that I've that I has been rolling around in my head for a long time and I'm I've started working on that and I'm pretty excited about that I was I was, giving Gerg a run-through of, what the main outline of the story is and he was like dude you sound like somebody who saw a movie or discovered a new show and you really excited to tell me about it because you think I should watch it and I'm like what kind of am, and and as you know it's a story I'm working on but it's a science fiction thing and I'll be using a pseudonym and, instead of putting the name my name on it it'll be a pseudonym that I won't share here because I want to keep those separate.   Pastor Newms: [33:28] That would kind of defeat the purpose of having a.   Pastor Bill: [33:32] Of the purpose of having a pseudonym so I won't tell you anything about the story or what messaging is going to be because that would defeat the purpose. I'm pretty excited about that and hopefully that will.   [33:51] Yeah I don't make any money so I'm hoping that'll I can make some money because I've tried applying to jobs, lots and lots and lots of jobs and getting lots and lots and lots of ghost things and lots of rejections and. For interviews I've had over the last six years. Two of them were legitimate and I still didn't get the job and the rest of them were those, yeah we're calling ourselves a marketing company but we really just want you to go stand in a retail store and harass people to try to get them to buy our products.   Pastor Newms: [34:40] Which still doesn't help because you can't stand for any amount of time which is the.   Pastor Bill: [34:46] Exact I need a sitting job I need an office job I need something I can because I can't I can't when I go to the store I have to use one of those little cards I can't when I go to cook I have to use this you know chair in the kitchen, there's that and looking for a job is yeah each puff on Church says looking for work is horrible and Mr. Groggy says yes and and then there's this whole, thing that you see about jobs are posted, people apply to them and then they get rejected and then within the next week the same job gets reposted, because the government is subsidizing companies who are looking for work but if they feel that work then they won't get the subsidy anymore, and so there's this thing that companies are doing where they post a job and then reject all the applicants for not being qualified and then reposting the job with never actually intending to fill it because they're receiving major subsidies from the government, to be looking for filling positions so.   Pastor Newms: [36:05] That's no fun.   Pastor Bill: [36:06] That's no fun now I we went from excited to bummer and tonight's topic, we are yes Mr. Groggy said it we are it is called in the name we are talking about in the name and the verse that we brought that I used for the picture, for some reason I no longer have pulled up, is from a story that Pastor Newms really likes, and he can tell the story if he wants if not that's fine too it's from Acts chapter 19, and the verse is chat is verse 15 I'm going to pull it up in my CSB, I don't know something about the way the King James phrases this particular one I'm not happy with so it says the evil spirit answered them I know Jesus and I recognized Paul but who are you, and do you want to tell the story or should I just summarized from them text.   Pastor Newms: [37:16] I mean I do love this story so.   Pastor Bill: [37:19] I know you do that's why I offered to let you.   Pastor Newms: [37:22] There were these brothers and this is going to be the not the CSB version but the.   Pastor Bill: [37:28] This is gonna be the new Newmsian version.   Pastor Newms: [37:32] Version so there are these brothers and they decided that, you know they watched Paul and they watched other people casting out demons and doing Miracles and they were like man we can make some money so they were like let's do it so they go out and they start casting out some low-level demons from people and they start you know they create this business idea of hey we're going to cast out from demons and then.   [38:01] They were not using adequate, faith they were not using they were not Christians relying on Jesus they were just they had done this as a business proposition and, so they get to this particular house and they're like in the name of the, Jesus of Paul which to begin with and then they're like, you know get out and the demon in the person turns around and goes, I know Jesus, I know who that is and I even know Paul who are you and then proceeds to throw them through the door of the building they were at into the street because he was having none of it, well.   [39:03] Because I don't know if it was a male demon that was rude it just throws it right out the window and his like come again and it's such a, interesting thing to see because so often people always pull the, well I know so and so and like, you know it's one of those words like and and they did like the worst way of doing it too it's like my uncle knows a guy who runs this place and he said you know it wasn't even like a valid like you don't know the one who gives you power, you've claimed a guy that you knew cuz you heard of him who uses the power of the guy. To go do it and it's so it's a fun one because, I love seeing people get get what's coming to him and they got it right through the door so, yeah now Bill is how you the theological part about it.   Pastor Bill: [40:22] Yeah so II one of the one of the details that. Always gets me is that when they when they when they left they left beat up and naked and so it's like okay.   Pastor Newms: [40:43] How bad did you mess up.   Pastor Bill: [41:02] Okay so In the Bible gives us a name for who these people are right there called the Sons of Sceva which is interesting. I don't think that's actually their name I think that is a, I think that's an inside joke amongst the Believers of the followers of the way to call them Skiva, because this words Skiva has two meanings one of those meanings is mind reader, okay and if you think about the region where they're living in and everything that's going on in that region this this wouldn't be, a compliment or an Accolade to call someone a mind reader is basically you know you're a charlatan you're a hack you're a goof you know you're just trying to make money off of people, and the other definition is much more an insult wouldn't be an insult now but it is an insult then and the definition is left-handed.   Pastor Newms: [42:19] Which is the one that Strong's uses heavily is the there.   Pastor Bill: [42:21] Yes heavily and at the time that was a incredible insult to call someone left handed you got to think about. When you're greeting someone.   Pastor Newms: [42:37] I'll say it cuz you're nicer so you you shake hands with your right hand you eat with your right hand, toilet paper was in the didn't exist yet so God gave you a left hand so.   Pastor Bill: [42:55] So if you're left handed then you're yeah.   Pastor Newms: [43:00] Roxanne says poop shoveler.   Pastor Bill: [43:02] Poop shovel, they were poop shovelers in their handedness it just it's all kinds of evidence soul in the day nowadays someone can be left-handed that's not a big deal that's not an insult we have modern. Contrivances we have modern facilities where doesn't matter if your dominant hand his right hand or left hand but in the day to call someone ask Eva, that's an insult and so that's why I'm thinking that's not actually their name.   Pastor Newms: [43:38] Which they didn't call them Skeva even they went one step farther.   Pastor Bill: [43:42] Son of Skiva.   Pastor Newms: [43:46] You aren't even good enough to be called left-handed you are just the son of someone who was left like it's an extra level.   Pastor Bill: [43:57] Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.   Pastor Newms: [44:02] It's not even like I was having this discussion with Biggs and my mom the other day and Jesus did the same thing he got to a point, we're he was tired of just calling people Hypocrites and just started making stuff up.   Pastor Bill: [44:24] Whitewashed tomb.   Pastor Newms: [44:25] Like just so like it's almost like you know.   Pastor Bill: [44:29] You explain that was in me Jesus.   Pastor Newms: [44:31] It's getting written down and the guys like yeah, scratch that out rewrite it that one's better and they just keeps going like you know it's it's you know it's just humorous some of those aspects when you, look at them.   Pastor Bill: [44:53] For sure okay so what they did here is they went in and they said in the name, of the Jesus that Paul preaches or at least.   [45:09] That's how we translate that into our, Modern English okay now if we go back to the original and.   [45:24] We look at the words that are used there because over time we've collapsed a lot of Concepts together, and we've taken things that in the original context of a Greek sentence or the original context of a Hebrew sentence or the original context of a culture when you use a certain word it makes sense to mean a certain thing, even though it can have a dual meet right, and this is one of those words this word on Oma anoma which is 100% of the time, translated as the word as the word name, right it is translated as the word name except it doesn't just mean name, it means name it means called so nickname it means surname it means named as in you got your name changed and so now you are named, it also means Authority it also means character and so in this context when we read this, what they would have been saying is by the authority of the Jesus that Paul.   [46:49] Creatures right that is just the word name but by the authority now wait a second, Paul was out there, operating in that authority of that name he's not walking around going in the name of Jesus speak, now he is in the authority of someone who is a co-heir with Christ saying to be healed. Well Paul how do you have that ability well that's not me it's him that I'm in a relationship with and by that relationship I move in this, and so when we go back and reread certain places in scripture where it says in the name of right and so we for instance there is no other name by which man should be safe.   [47:49] What name is the translation there is name what name, the modern name Jesus the old English name Iosus the Greek Ieous, which means son of Zeus the Hebrew Yeshua the the the followers of the way began to call him, because they didn't want to call him the son of Zeus and I thought that was heretical and there's this whole divide or people were like no we have to call him that because if the Romans are walking by and they hear us calling you anything else, calling him by his real name you know calling him the Messiah then they're going to kill us so we got to use this name that they posted above him in ridicule, we had to call them that otherwise they're going to kill us and there's other people going but we don't have to call them that why don't we just call them a word that describes what he is, yes sure uh in English would be pronounced Joshua nobody calls him Joshua even though that's the way it was written several times in the scriptures. But even that's not his real name right the prophecy isn't Isaiah say they would name him Emmanuel.   [49:09] And then you get to to Luke and the angel tells Mary, to name him and then if you look in everybody will you've got the Jesus that it says is in all caps, and this is an author's note to let you know they mistranslated what was being said here out of respect for the holiness, all of the name being spoken by the angel they miss translated it into a commonly accepted nickname.   [49:46] That's not actually what the angel said.   Pastor Newms: [49:48] Yeah cuz in several in the Jewish culture a lot of, will not right Messianic Jews they won't write the full name there are a lot of people who want and then there.   Pastor Bill: [50:05] Bill never use a no because it's disrespectful.   Pastor Newms: [50:07] And then they don't they don't use they don't write all of Jehovah's name either when referring to got because it's disrespectful to write it wrong.   Pastor Bill: [50:19] Do you have to write it they will take the pain or the Krill or whatever they're using and after they've written the name of the Lord they will break it, and put it in the fire because that pin has now touched the name of God and nothing else should be written with that device and they go get a new one. Right.   Pastor Newms: [50:42] So I mean it's definitely it's definitely something that's been translated for so long as name but more it is the authority, and it's kind of like, I heard a preacher say it one time where it's like when you go in somewhere and you're like hey I need to get a loan and they're like well I don't know who you are well my father's this person okay cool here's alone you know because it's someone else's you're borrowing someone's Authority you're not borrowing their name because their name doesn't mean anything it's the.   Pastor Bill: [51:19] And you're certainly not coming with him as I've seen some preachers preaching from the pulpit in 2021, calling themselves God almighty, because they are co-heirs with Christ and equal to Christ and Christ is God and therefore they are God and all Christians are God almighty.   [51:49] All right so now we're going to turn to Matthew chapter 28 okay and.   Pastor Newms: [51:57] Short chapter.   Pastor Bill: [52:02] Chapter 28 it is kind of short chapters no.   Pastor Newms: [52:06] Usually I have to do more scrolling.   Pastor Bill: [52:11] Matthew chapter 28 we're going to start in verse 18 take my Bible off my little.   [52:21] Holder here it says Jesus came near and said to them all authority has been given to me in heaven and on Earth, go therefore and Make Disciples of all Nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you and remember I am with you always to the end of the age, now we've talked extensively about what kind of baptism Jesus was talking about here and we brought up what John talks about that John baptized with water, Jesus came to be baptized with the Holy Spirit not with water so therefore any time Jesus says go baptized he's talking about the Holy Spirit he's not talking about water, even Jesus himself never baptized anyone if you go and you look anytime, where that ism is happening around Jesus it always makes note that Jesus was off resting on the shore while the disciples were doing the baptizing, the water baptizing, and then Paul goes on to I didn't baptize anybody well maybe a couple of members of the household of Stephanas but I can't really remember if I did or not, you think if water baptism was that big of a deal Paul would remember whether or not he baptized two people in the household of Stephanas right.   [53:49] Set up but the topic of tonight is in the name, so he says that telling me the name of the father and the son of the Holy Spirit and so what do people do when they're for instance water baptized, I baptize you in the name of the Father the name of the son of the name of the Holy Spirit.   [54:09] Except that's not what it says it says it's the word Authority that has them in the authority, the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, so when you're leading someone into baptism whether its water baptism or batches the holy spirit because I'm not anti, water baptism I'm very much your relationship with God is your relationship with God if you study about water baptism and you feel like that's a good outward sign for you, to show that you've turned your heart over to the Lord then absolutely you should get water baptized, so I'm not anti water baptism I'm anti requiring it as part of Salvation because then that's not salvation anymore you've now created a law, and made salvation of no effort no effect Paul's words there, so when we go back to the original Greek even he uses the same word here again, in the name of the father it's that Oma it's in the authority of the father of.   [55:29] The Son and the Holy Spirit you move in that Authority, when you're when you're baptizing someone and this case baptizing them into the Holy Spirit baptizing them into the law of the spirit which is salvation right, and Jesus came and all authority has been given to me in heaven and in Earth, there in Matthew chapter 28 verse 18 right all authority has been given to me go therefore and make disciples baptizing them in the authority of so all authority has been given to him, and did he use the word, Authority in verse 18 well.   [56:24] The the word that was used in verse 18 verse 28 that then is translated as Authority in the CSB and Power in the King James, is technically both power and authority let's just read what strong mr. strong had to say about it he says in me a sense of ability, privilege that is suggested, subjectively Force capacity competency Freedom or objectively mastery, concretely magistrate superhuman potentate token of control is delegated influence Authority jurisdiction Liberty Power right string, now the word itself is X who Sia, exousia does that sound like a an English word that you know exude.   [57:42] Exude, when you exude something it comes naturally to you because it is part of Who You Are, he says all authority has been given to me so, I exude this Authority this power this Liberty this this this right it is my strength I have competency here I have the freedom to do it, and I am using that and telling you to go out and do the same. He is empowering them not giving them a script.   [58:32] Which so many have gone and just used it as a script instead of going out and going well I'm moving the authority out. So I've seen so many people that they talk about demons demons here demons there and we just have to resist the demons and in the name of Jesus of Nazareth, okay okay you little demons running around laughing at you know but I used the name of Jesus well, you definitely spoke some words to him you definitely did. You definitely spoke some words to Modern English words.   Pastor Newms: [59:16] And and the aspect is it's not that's what so many people get so incorrect In A lot of times is it's not, the words that have the power it's the authority behind the words so yes there are people, and by the way the reason I'm chuckling for those who can actually see my face is anytime Pastor Bill wants to get, to call out people that are have different beliefs, typically goes towards the southern, what I what I would call a Southern Baptist accent, for people that are the leaders of churches in these small Podunk town where he had to grow up in and it just makes me, giggle because it is painful to hear because I've heard it too many times.   Pastor Bill: [1:00:16] Got it from the video that I watched a couple of weeks ago who was talking about what was he saying um.   [1:00:28] He was talking about they put in that evil mermaid shot down the street where you can get the devil's coffee and they took away my some restaurant that he loves they tore down the restaurant that I used to eat at so they could put it in that mermaid worshipping devil coffee shop and it is this thick Southern bat like this was the whole his whole sermon was all about they tore down, the restaurant he select to go to and put in a Starbucks and how that was evil and they shouldn't begin coffee, from that mermaid worshipping devil coffee shop.   Pastor Newms: [1:01:06] And and so what I was saying which is sadly people have that belief there are so many people who they, they focus on the wrong part of this there are people who walk in that Authority and they use the name, as well and it's, accurate because they're walking in the authority, so we're not talking about that let's be clear we're not we're not saying anyone who's ever baptized someone like this as built, or anyone who's ever preached a message like we're not trying to go that route, what we're trying to say is the important part is the authority not just the name there was a there's a couple of, vampires dick movies and shows and and I like fantasy so it happens and every now and then you.   Pastor Bill: [1:02:14] Power of Christ compels you.   Pastor Newms: [1:02:16] Does it does it when you go after when you go after someone without that power.   Pastor Bill: [1:02:30] Up like a sun is either.   Pastor Newms: [1:02:31] And in Jesus talks about it another place as well that you know you have to have, The Authority the you have to have prayed this out you have to make sure you have that spiritual gifting from God you have to you shouldn't be out just claiming Authority because you think you can when you aren't actually walking in, just claiming the authority as a good way to get yourself in trouble you can pick up a cross and shove it in a vampire's face unless you have the faith behind it it's going to eat you, and and I watching the movie will enjoy it because hypocrite.   Pastor Bill: [1:03:20] Enjoy it greatly.   Pastor Newms: [1:03:21] Get bit, and so it's just an aspect of the authority is what is so important and that's what I want to make sure is clear because sometimes Billiam is. More passionate about certain aspects and less. Cut and dry and so I want to make sure that that is clear did I compare your emotional and my logic accurately there okay.   Pastor Bill: [1:03:53] I don't know I'm apparently the emotional in that sentence so that's a new one on me.   Pastor Newms: [1:04:01] Wait wait wait excuse me.   Pastor Bill: [1:04:03] I knew you were going to let you get away with that.   Pastor Newms: [1:04:04] You're going to actually try like you're going to actually try to go you comparing me and you can go ahead and end for tonight we good we can 30.   Pastor Bill: [1:04:16] We're at 7:30 Force we're a little over so in Matthew Chapter 7, verse 21 I want to leave you guys with just a parting thought, and it is Matthew chapter 7 starting in verse 21 it says not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven don't.   Pastor Newms: [1:04:44] Hey Bill okay try try again you cut out during the actual Reading part.   Pastor Bill: [1:04:54] I haven't started reading you can you hear me now okay, no I guess I have sorry reading, so let's pick back up in verse 22 because that's when it starts getting good on that day many will say to me Lord Lord didn't we prophesy in your name drive out demons in your name and do many miracles in your name, then I will announce to them I never knew you depart from me you lawbreakers this is that same word.   [1:05:29] On Omar, can be translated as name but it can also be translated as Authority in this context when you're reading and they say in your name, if you go back and you look at the original they're saying so sad.   [1:05:53] So sand Oma soap Sonoma soap Sonoma, in your Authority in your Authority in your there was no and even if it's the word name Authority whatever there is no, didn't I do these works because we relationship, we Authority we co are it's not of that's not what they're saying they're saying that at all they're saying in your, I tried to use your not our there was no relationship there, and so that's where you see this this bright here in these people that are talking about but I did go out and I did Ministry and I and I try to make the world a better place and it yeah, be gentle these things you had no salvation you had no relationship here this is this is not how this works, and so I just want to leave you know with that parting thought and you guys can go look that up and chew on that and see how that makes you feel so, that's what I have there you have anything else you want to add my wife on uh I'm sorry Roxanne on YouTube says wow bill is in some hardcore denial about that emotional stuff.   [1:07:21] Because everybody knows me knows I'm super emotional like about everything. I like when my when my friends have birthdays and they won't let me talk about it it really gets me like right here and it hurts.   Pastor Newms: [1:07:39] Remember I can press stop without you.   Pastor Bill: [1:07:41] I send them gifts anyway even though they told me not to and I'm like get over it, that's all I have to say about that and so now we'll do a 30 second buffer 30 second buffer 30 second buffer was that a little bunny rabbit no it wasn't 30.   Pastor Newms: [1:08:00] It was it was it was a bunny rabbit.   Pastor Bill: [1:08:03] 30 second buffer.   Pastor Newms: [1:08:04] 30 second buffer.   Pastor Bill: [1:08:07] We love you have a great week.   Pastor Newms: [1:08:09] Please be safe.   Pastor Bill: [1:08:11] And until next time.

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In this rich conversation, Mason sits down with the brilliant herbalist Sajah Popham; Founder of School Of Evolutionary Herbalism and Organic Unity in southern Oregon, for a journey into the otherworldly space of plant alchemy, herbal remedies, spagyric medicine, and the inextricable relationship between man and our magically healing plant friends. Geared with both the Science and esoteric understanding of herbal medicine and trained in real alchemy by the great Robert Bartlett, Sajah brings a holistic understanding of the universal truths and principles that govern plants and healing. Sajah's depth of knowledge and reverence for plants as healers is truly a gift to this world. A guardian of the plant kingdom, he walks his path devoted to healing and teaching people that plants are not something we use mindlessly and forget about once healed. He reminds us they are our allies, guides, and protectors, that we should seek to understand and develop a connection that deepens with time. Make sure you tune in for this one!   "If we can imagine back to the first human beings ever to exist on planet earth and think of who was the first teacher of herbal medicine? Well, it was the plants themselves. And that's something that I really want to come back to in my own work."   -Sajah Popham   Mason and Sajah discuss: Spagyrics and the process of creating medicine. Medical astrology. Medical Alchemy. The three philosophical principles of alchemy (Tria Prima). How do we bring together science and spirituality? Universal themes among ancient medicine systems. Esoteric knowledge and how it relates to plants and healing. The importance of developing a relationship with the plants we utilise as medicines. Looking at people and plants through an energetic lens. The three Doshas of Ayurveda. Integrative medicine; Eastern and Western systems of medicine coming together. Returning to the heart space and sitting in earth energy for healing.    Who is Sajah Popham? Sajah Popham (B.S. Herbal Sciences), founder and core instructor of Organic Unity and School of Evolutionary Herbalism, is a student of the universal truths found within both ancient and modern herbal traditions from around the world. The focus of his work is on integrating ancient teachings for a new paradigm of plant medicine, one that is truly holistic in its honoring of the spirit, energetics, and body of both people and plants. His unique synthesis bridges herbalism not only east and west, but north and south, above and below, into a universal philosophy that encompasses indigenous wisdom, Ayurveda, western Alchemy and Spagyrics, Astrology, clinical herbalism, and modern pharmacology. Sajah’s vitalist approach utilizes plants not only for physiological healing and rejuvenation, but for the evolution of consciousness, for a truly holistic practice of plant medicine. Sajah’s teachings embody a heartfelt respect, honor and reverence for the vast intelligence of plants in a way that empowers us to look deeper into the nature of our medicines and ourselves. He lives in southern Oregon with his wife where he teaches at his school, makes spagyric medicines, and practices his art.   Resources: School Of Evolutionary Herbalism Facebook (School Of Evolutionary Herbalism) Instagram (School Of Evolutionary Herbalism) YouTube (School Of Evolutionary Herbalism) Evolutionary Herbalism Book The Plant Path Podcast with Sajah & Whitney Popham Organic Unity- Alchemical Herbal Extracts   Q: How Can I Support The SuperFeast Podcast? A: Tell all your friends and family and share online! We’d also love it if you could subscribe and review this podcast on iTunes. Or  check us out on Stitcher, CastBox, iHeart RADIO:)! Plus  we're on Spotify!   Check Out The Transcript Here:   Mason: (00:00) Hey Sajah. Welcome, man.   Sajah Popham: (00:01) Thank you.   Mason: (00:02) All right. How are you doing down there in Oregon? Can you tell us a little bit about where you're at, where you've landed in the world and what you're up to there?   Sajah Popham: (00:11) Yeah. I live in the Southern part of Oregon State here in the United States and I live out here on 120 acres with my wife, Whitney, where we host our school called the School of Evolutionary Herbalism, where we teach a lot of workshops to herbalists and people wanting to really reconnect with the wisdom of plants and different traditions from around the world that have used plants as medicines. And we also spend a lot of our time out here preparing spagyric herbal extracts for our business, Organic Unity, which is an aspect of the alchemical tradition from Europe and very specific methods of preparing herbs into medicines that concentrates their physical properties, as well as their spiritual and energetic properties as well.   Mason: (01:02) What made you get into spagyrics?   Sajah Popham: (01:03) [inaudible 00:01:03].   Mason: (01:05) Yeah. Awesome. And I forgot but I think I'd mentioned before we jumped on and coming up to Oregon to go to the American Herbal Guild Symposium in October. Don't know if you're going to be around there, but looking forward to going out to get out there, but I meant the spagyrics. I'm really interested to hear what got you into that aspect of herbalism, because I don't know what it's like in the US whether it's spreading a little bit. I'm sure thanks to yourself, it has, but it hasn't permeated just the everyday herbal community here in Australia.   Sajah Popham: (01:39) Yeah. Well, I would definitely say that's true out here in the States as well. When we're talking about alchemy and spagyrics we're getting on a pretty fringy part of herbal medicine that I feel very committed to opening up more to the verbal world. For me alchemy and spagyrics was really the missing link. It was the missing piece of the puzzle for me in terms of my plant path, my journey into the world of herbal medicine. And I was studying at Bastyr University up there in Seattle and in the herbal sciences programme. And for me, as the programme implies, it's a very scientifically oriented programme. So we're studying the botany and the chemistry and the pharmacology and plant constituents and how to best extract them and anatomy and physiology and biochemistry, and a very scientific model of herbal medicine, which I love. I really loved science.   Sajah Popham: (02:45) I love that whole aspect of it. But during that time as well I was really deepening just in my own direct connection with the plants. And I think a lot of people experienced this where our lives are changed when a plant heals us. It's like sometimes we're going through our life and we're having a hard time with something, maybe something in our body, maybe something in our heart or mind, and then a plant comes to us and we take that plant into our body and it fundamentally changes who we are and heals us. And so for me having this deep spiritual connection to the plants and this very scientific model of understanding plants, created this little rift inside of me, well, maybe a big rift. It was like, how do I bring these two together? How do I bring together the science and the spirit of herbal medicine?   Sajah Popham: (03:41) And I think that's something that's going on on a cultural level as well, just how do we bring together science and spirituality? And that led me to study a lot of different medical traditions, spiritual traditions and eventually that led me to Tuscany, Italy, where I was doing a study abroad trip there. And there was a man that talked about medical alchemy, medical astrology, and he was talking about just all this very esoteric knowledge and how it relates to plants and healing. And I remember it just really clicking something into place for me because in alchemy they utilise chemical terminology to denote a spiritual principle. And that really made a lot of sense to me and how they had methods of preparing plants that would concentrate their chemistry that works in the body, but also methods of concentrating the spiritual properties of the plants and how those influence our minds, our emotions, and ultimately our spiritual growth and evolution.   Sajah Popham: (04:56) And that became a very fundamental model for how I perceived plants and practised herbal medicine. I didn't really want to just approach herbal medicine to "fix what's broken in our bodies" because they did so much more for me in my own plant path. I wanted to assist people in that deeper connection to the true self, deeper connection to nature, deeper connection to the spirit that's in all of life. And I believe that the plants have an incredible capacity to do so. And it was through the spagyric preparations that I found it best to help people in that way.   Mason: (05:37) And just for my sake, can you take me a little bit through that preparation model? I understand it from way back in a heavily alchemical process, it's probably not something that downloads easily down to a couple of sentences or paragraphs, but just to understand what that process is, if you mind.   Sajah Popham: (05:54) Yeah, sure. Well, everything in alchemy, they say everything in nature, or everything in creation has three fundamental principles. What they call Tria Prima or the three philosophical principles, and in alchemy, they see that as they call sulphur, mercury and salt, and this correlates to the soul, the spirit and the body of any particular thing, whether that's a person or a plant or a stone or whatever it is, everything in nature has these three principles and we can see that threefold pattern reflected in a whole lot of different traditions around the world. Ayurveda has its three doshas. Chinese medicine has its three treasures. Astrology has its three modes. There's all manner of Holy trinities, so to speak in different medical, scientific and spiritual traditions. So in spagyrics, which is plant-based alchemy, they say that the sulphur, mercury and salt of a plant corresponds to the essential oils, the alcohol-soluble constituents and the mineral salts.   Sajah Popham: (07:07) And so in the spagyric process, the sulphur, mercury and salt are the oil, the alcohol and the minerals are all separated from the plant through different techniques. The distillation, fermentation, rectification, calcination, disillusion these different spagyric processes whereby these three fundamental principles of a plant are separated purified, and then recombined back together into what is said to be an evolved expression of that plant and the soul, the spirit and the body of the plant is present in the medicine. It acts upon the human soul, spirit and body as well. And so in that way, spagyrics are said to have an evolutionary function or the way the old alchemists put it, it has an initiatic virtue, meaning that it's initiating us into a higher level of consciousness. And the thing that's really cool about the that really was what hooked me was, when I was in college and learning how to make herbal medicines, I always wanted the strongest medicine I could get.   Sajah Popham: (08:22) And so I would tincture it and re-tincture it and cook it down and boil it in water and extract it and vinegar and put it all together and put a flower essence in there. It's just like I was crazy. I just wanted the whole plant there, but what always ended up happening is I had to throw the plant material away and it always really bothered me. I always felt like there was something there that I wasn't getting. And in the spagyric process, we never throw the body of plant have away. I would say that has the salt principle. And so in spagyric works, once a plant is extracted we'll actually burn the plant down to an ash and then take that ash and run it through some further processes that basically yields crystals.   Sajah Popham: (09:14) We extract crystalline mineral salts from the plant that they say, that's the purified body of the plant. And when you have that body of the plant, you're anchoring the intelligence of that plant into its physical body so that then it can influence our physical body in a much deeper way. So we don't throw anything out in the spagyric process. You really get the whole plant. And when you get the whole plant, it's going to work on the whole person. And that to me is one of the foundational elements of what it means to practise holistic herbal medicine.   Mason: (09:52) Thanks for explaining it like that as well. That's landed with me so hard, especially with the throwing out the herb after you're done with a tea or a tincture, or maybe doing a vinegar extraction or anything like that. The best we can do here is just get them back into circulation, composting them. But there's this saying, so [inaudible 00:10:09] especially about we've got like in the West, we can all probably agree that we've got that scientific way and reductionist way of approaching herbalism down-packed and gone for the chemistry. The aspect that you're talking about and connecting with the spirit and the personality of the herb, the patterns of the herb, that part of the herb where you can actually develop a relationship. Generally you can say that's a bit deficient.   Mason: (10:40) Now, for some reason, I've just started thinking about an array of people out there who are in that frame of mind, where it's like a pill for the ill, "I've got a symptom and I need to knock it on the head." Now that's like in health food stores in major cities, et cetera, there seems to be a glass ceiling on actually being able to go and connect with the spirit of the herb or get out of that mentality of just trying to fix yourself, trying to cure these symptoms. Stay with me because I don't have a question. I'm just going through something here. I'm really interested in talking to ways and it seems like we're already talking to it, to continue to bridge that gap, especially for people who are in the trenches of cities.   Mason: (11:37) I know I go off on tangents and some pretty elaborate tangents and recommendations. And I had a lot of moms. Moms come to me and be like, "Mason, cool, your jets now. I got four kids and I need something solid that I can get into now." Let's talk to that a little bit. Let's talk to that in practises that can transfer across whether someone's like in the 9:00 to 5:00 grind in the city or in the country, what are the best ways you find to bridge that gap from the mentality of "fix me" to "let's grow and explore and evolve", especially with getting to know herbal personalities.   Sajah Popham: (12:17) Yeah. Great question. I think there's some layers to that. On the one hand you have people that maybe are experiencing health issues, health concerns, and they'd like to take a more alternative route which it's funny that we call it alternative, but it really should be this normal-   Mason: (12:38) Yeah. And you're right.   Sajah Popham: (12:38) ... to work with nature. And I don't necessarily... It's not everyone's path to have these deep spiritual connections to the plants and to the vegetable realm and I don't think that that would negate the efficacy of someone working with plants in that way. And then on the other end of that spectrum, we have people that are maybe naturopaths or clinical herbalists or the plant people. And those tend to be the people that I'm more communicating with. And so one of the things that I always like to encourage people that are working with the herbs in a deeper way, that we want to have a relationship with those medicines, we want to have a relationship to the plants that we're utilising as medicines.   Sajah Popham: (13:33) And it reminds me of something one of my teachers, Matthew Wood says. He says, "Don't be just an armchair herbalist." And I always really liked that because he says, "There's some herbalists out there that just sit in their arm chair and read the books and do the bookwork and the studies, which is great. But that relationship with the medicines we use takes on this whole other level, when we go out into the forest and we find the herb and we pick it and we eat it and we make medicine out of it. And maybe we sit with it and pray with it and make offerings and go through this deeper process of having a relationship with that plant that we're working with. And then when we get that remedy to someone there's an added something special to it, there's an added power to it because we know that plant and that plant knows us. And so we have a deeper connection and relationship to it."   Sajah Popham: (14:35) And so one of the things that I think also the different element of your question that I was hearing there is, to me, I'm just thinking of folks living in the city and maybe not having very deep relationship to the natural world. To me, this is one the core sicknesses or imbalances that I think is permeating the world right now is this disconnect from the natural ecosystem that is Gaia and it's ironic because the human being is as much a part of nature as everything else.   Sajah Popham: (15:19) It's just that we have created this world. I always say we use the terms world and earth very similarly. But to me they're very different. To me, the world is what is the human mind made manifest. So we think of a city. You're in a city on the concrete and there's the lights and the advertising comes in, the signs and you're literally surrounded by the human mind made into manifest form into something physical, like someone had the idea to make that sign or create this light or this shop and all these things in there. And it's like, mind, mind, mind. It's like, we're surrounded by the human mind and that's the world. But the earth to me is something... The human mind didn't create the earth, something greater than the human mind created the earth.   Sajah Popham: (16:15) And I always say it's like the earth is created by the mind of the creator, but it's not really a mind, it's a heart. And so to me, it's like the earth and the natural world of which we're a part of, is an expression of the divine of the love of creation and that when we surround ourselves by a natural habitat, that it strengthens this connection to the human heart. And it's the split between the world and the earth, and the mind and the heart, and the science and the spirit. It's that division that I think is making people sick on a lot of different levels. And so to me, just by having a deeper connection and relationship to the natural world that is giving us life every day, it's like we're all breathing the same air. We're all drinking the same water. We're all being nourished by this food that's grown from the earth. It's like we're all a part of that.   Sajah Popham: (17:22) And so when we bring that into a greater level of awareness, I think there's a reassembling of the human spirit that happens. And I think there's something, a deep healing that happens in our hearts where we feel connected to something greater than ourselves. And I think it's interesting that in our modern culture, that we see so much depression and so much anxiety and so much heart disease. I think these are physiological expressions of a split in the location of our consciousness, of being up in the mind and being in the world as opposed to being in the heart and being in the earth. So that's what comes to mind just based on what you were mentioning there.   Mason: (18:13) And did you get interested in herbalism especially, and immersing yourself in nature? Were you having the experience of the separation yourself?   Sajah Popham: (18:22) Oh, absolutely. I was not raised by hippie parents or in the woods or anything. I grew up in a little suburb between Tacoma and Seattle, Washington. I grew up in about as a conventional lifestyle, as one could imagine eating fast food and going to public schools, nothing too special about me.   Mason: (18:49) I'm sure there's lots of special values. I feel something similar then in terms of growing up on the fast food. Growing up I can one-up you and say I went to Catholic school. And so what I'm interested in is talking more about... I don't know about you, but in my early days, I felt even my mind, I sensed I wanted to be unified once again within myself and with the world. I could still feel an excess of that mind energy, being attached to arriving at a place where I can now I'm unified. Almost in a melancholic way that was like, not that I'd actually consciously think this and that makes me better and more in the know than other people. And it was a really fun and interesting process to feel as the mind and body unity began to occur that I've started really falling in love more and more with that process rather than the destination of unifying. And actually there is no destination there at all. Are you feeling me on that one?   Sajah Popham: (20:00) Absolutely. Yeah. The way that I think of it especially in the health world, and in the spiritual world as well, I feel like it's so easy for our minds to create some sort of, like you said, a destination, an idealised image of the self, of perfect balance, and we want that so bad. We want that vitality. We want that rejuvenation. We want that perfect health and balance and harmony, and maybe we'll get there for a moment. And then the wind will blow and then create... It's like everything's in constant flux. I love that saying that the only thing that doesn't change is that everything changes. And it makes me think about the Ayurvedic concept of doshas.   Sajah Popham: (21:00) These three doshas Ayurveda is really the basis of their anatomy and their constitutional theory and the way they classify herbs of these three doshas of Kapha, Vata, and Pitta, which are composed of our five elements of nature, ether, air, fire, water, and earth. And I love that definition of dosha is basically that which goes out of balance. And so it's the foundation of the way they understand the human organism is that balance itself is a changing phenomenon and that we can only get to a certain place for so long and then that's going to change. And so I think that's always an interesting thing to consider in regards to our health, that there is no end goal, there is no peak of the mountain. It's like we'll get to the peak of the mountain, but then we're going to see four or five more after that, if that makes any sense.   Mason: (22:05) Yeah, it does. And I'm only in here talking about gaining relationships with herbs, especially before you were talking about that moment, where if you have a relationship with the herb and the fact that you go through a healing journey with it, or if it heals you or if it helps you gain access to something within your body, then all of a sudden that relationship, it's solid, it's spiritual, you're mates with that herb. I've definitely experienced that. And especially in talking about the Western mindset of coming to herbs is just "fix me". And especially with when for me you're approaching herbalism heavily from the tonics, you're getting into Daoist tonic herbalism in the beginning and really enjoying that and still enjoying that where that sits within a holistic lifestyle, but starting to get schooled a little bit on the fact that there is no balance point. The herb's aren't going to get you balanced. Sometimes they might actually take you off balance so that you can further understand how to come back into balance within yourself.   Mason: (23:21) When I began to open up with understanding the varying ways that I can have a relationship with a plant or with a herb and what we were talking about before we jumped on, which I'd like to weave into this is moving away from the textbook. This herb reishi, whatever, is good for the heart, tones the liver, does this to the immune system, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. "Okay, cool. I'm going to use that herb to fix me in this or to get me a balance in this," but then all of a sudden you start actually, with any herb, you start actually introducing it in a way that gives you the opportunity to actually feel what it's doing, and then what your body's doing with that herb. The herb all of a sudden opens up and you go, "Okay, there's no black and white uses when it comes to this herb." And you realise you've opened up a can of worms way bigger than just taking a herb.   Sajah Popham: (24:14) Oh yeah. Really good question. It brings multiple points to mind, the first of which is that no one herb is right for everyone. I think one of the things with... Well, let me backtrack a little. I think one of the things that's important to understand about, I would say all traditional systems and models of herbal medicine, is that there's always a context within which a plant is taken into the human body. And most traditions that utilise plants as herbs are just using herbs. They're also implementing diet and nutrition as a major part of their medical practise. And I think this is a critical facet that I think is overlooked often. And no one likes it when I say that, because everyone just wants the magic bullet. If we want them to take the three drops of the tincture and all of your ails and problems are just going to magically disappear and you don't have to change. And I think that's the big piece here is that we all want a quick fix and we want to have a healthy life, but maybe we don't want to change the way we live our life that has led us to the particular state of health or lack of health that we currently have.   Sajah Popham: (25:42) And so that's one thing that I always encourage my students and people that I talk to about herbs is if the root cause of, say someone has a chronic digestive symptom, for me, I'm not going to give them some peppermint or fennel or some bitters. I'm going to do a really in-depth assessment of like, "What are you eating every day that might be contributing to this problem? Because it doesn't matter how many herbs I give you. If you eat something that's upsetting your digestive system, am I really helping you by giving you herbs? Actually I could be enabling you to continue living an unhealthy lifestyle that could lead to a deeper, more serious issue in the long term." So for me, it's always taking a step back and looking at someone's overall lifestyle and doing that detective work of like, "Okay, what is it that they're doing that might be contributing to this?" Of course we use herbs to help, but the herbs, aren't just the sole focus of it.   Sajah Popham: (26:51) The sole focus is giving people strategies ultimately for how they can optimise living in a very healthy way. So that's the first point that comes to mind. Second point that comes to mind for sure, this is one thing that comes up for me. It's one of my little pet peeves in the herb world and it's the question that I always get, "Oh, what's that herb good for?" To me, I think of plants like people, and that's just the way that I tend to think of them. And I always jokingly say, whenever I talk about this, I say, "You'd never go up to someone when you first meet someone and be like, "Oh, hey. My name's Sajah. What's your name? Oh, Hey Bill. Oh. So what are you good for?" You know, with like, we would never say that to someone but we say it about the plants all the time. And so to me, I'm less concerned about what a plant is good for. I'm more concerned about who that plant is.   Mason: (27:53) Can I just point, Sajah, when you bring that up, I don't know whether this is a bit glum, but I think there was a time when humans would talk about other humans that way. And there are probably times when we want to be moving, like humans want to be learning from or moving on from, and I feel like this really brings into that whole, it's that the herbs are working for us. That slave mentality rather than an actual unity, right?   Sajah Popham: (28:19) Totally. And to me it's like... And I think that's the thing that it's easy to get stuck in the world of herbal medicine, especially in the realm of, you had mentioned the Chinese tonic herbs and there's this whole world of products, basically a product industry, a multi-billion dollar product industry that says, "Hey, take these herbs and you'll have more energy and you'll sleep better and you'll have a better mood and you'll be smarter and run faster. And everything is going to be okay and you don't have to change. And this herb is good for everyone or this herb is good for this or good for that." And what ends up happening is we lack specificity in our practise of herbal medicine.   Sajah Popham: (29:18) So this brings me to talking about traditionally, when a traditional herbalist looks at someone and here I'm really referring to traditional Western herbalism, to Chinese medicine, Ayurvedic medicine, things like that. They always understand the uniqueness of the person in front of them. So they're not saying, "Oh, this person has a urinary tract infection. Okay, let's give them all of these herbs that are good for a urinary tract infection." They're going to say, "Oh, here's a unique person with a unique type of urinary tract infection. And we want to select those herbs that are going to be specifically suitable for this unique person with this unique condition." And this is one of my problems with the use this herb for that symptom mindset, is that it often times lacks this level of specificity. And one of the simple ways that we can get more specific is looking at people and plants through an energetic lens, meaning what is the temperature and the moisture quality of the symptom and of that plant?   Sajah Popham: (30:40) So take a respiratory tract infection. This is usually one of the easiest organ systems for people to really understand the importance of energetics. Say you've got two different people and from a Western perspective, they both have, say, bronchitis or some respiratory tract infection. And one person, when you hear them cough, it sounds really dry and really wheezy and really harsh and intense, and they've got a bright red face and their tongues really red, and they feel really overheated. The other person say when they cough, it sounds really gurgly and wet and cold, and they feel a bit pale and they feel cold and their tongue is white and has a thick coating and pale. And when they do expectorate something, it's got a thick white pasty look to it.   Sajah Popham: (31:39) This is the difference between what we would call basically a hot-dry cough versus a cold damp cough. Now, if we think of the way a lot of herbalists are trained, they say, "Oh, this person has bronchitis. They have a cough. So we want to give them an expectorant." And the expectorant category herbs are just, those that support the cough reflex and are typically used to treat respiratory tract type infections. And in that whole category. So you go to your herb book and you look up expectorants and in that category, and I might list herbs that maybe you all don't use there in Australia, but here in North America, you might see herbs like Lobelia, and Osha, and Lomatia, wild cherry and Coltsfoot and licorice, and marshmallow and pleurisy root and Elecampane. These are all herbs under the expectorant category. And someone might just say, "Okay, we'll just pick some expectorants because these are all herbs that are good for a cough, right?"   Sajah Popham: (32:43) But if you look at that list, you see marshmallow root right next to Lobelia right next to something like Elecampane. These are three very different types of expectorants. If you give the marshmallow root to the person with a cold damp cough, it's going to make it worse because marshmallow is a very moistening demulcent type remedy. If you give it to the person with the hot, dry cough, they're going to love you forever because it's going to soothe and cool, everything down and moisten the dried mucus membrane, and really feel very supportive for them. Conversely, if you give the Elecampane to someone with the hot, dry cough, it's going to be very aggravating because Elecampane has these pungent hot oils and resins that are very stimulating and can be very irritating to someone with too much heat and too much dryness in the respiratory tract. But to give it to them with the cold damp cough, and it's going to help loosen up all that phlegm, it's going to make the cough more productive, it's going to stimulate the bronchial tree and the mucosal membranes to clear all of that damp stagnation out of the tissues.   Sajah Popham: (33:58) I like to mention that because there's deeper layers of specificity with herbal medicines. And I think it's very important to match the herbs to the person. And this is where we start to run into some problems where they say, "Oh, this herb is good for this condition." That's what can lead to herbs, maybe being used haphazardly, herbs, as you said, that might actually lead to further imbalance if it's not suitable for that person's constitution. And that's where, to me, this integration of herbal energetics is super critical if we're going to practise holistic herbal medicine. And really it's like... The energetics was practised in Western herbal medicine all the way up to the early 1900s.   Sajah Popham: (34:56) It's really over the last 100 years or so that we see as this biomedical model has come into place. As we focus more on constituents, as we focus more on the chemistry and such, I think we've lost touch with some of these traditional models of looking at herbs. And I'm all about both. I'm not trying to bash the science in any ways. I think that's all great, super useful, and we know more about some herbal medicines than we have ever before and how they work. It's great stuff, but I don't think we have to throw away thousands of years of accumulated knowledge.   Mason: (35:38) I hear you on that one. And I already am looking at the name of your company, Organic Unity, I mean, having a unity spec there in the middle, I love it because you find an integrated model. I mean, there's a lot of people talking about integration which is amazing. And I like looking at that more and more because it gives me... For me, it gives me something to attune to, and I can really... When I get into my envisioning of my dreaming of where I'm moving towards an integrated model, I just see. As you were saying, because growing up, I know how much looking at constituents and looking at the chemistry of say in this example of a herb, how useful it is.   Mason: (36:17) And in fact rather than... Because what I did for a while there is I kicked back completely against like a modern medical or modern scientific model just because I'm just like, "It's the devil. I don't want to be identified with it in any way." And so I tried to kick back and identify being someone who doesn't identify with the modern science and medical system, which was just a mess, rather than being a nice, calm, centred person who was just like, "I'm just going to contemplate where this has led me in for me." As you were saying, we can understand so much of what herbs are doing within the body chemically. That can be a catalyst for me in considering deeper and more subtle energetic actions that the herb has within different layers of the body. Have you experienced that dance between those two polars?   Sajah Popham: (37:23) In terms of the chemistry and the more subtle properties?   Mason: (37:28) Yeah.   Sajah Popham: (37:30) Yeah, absolutely. For me, because I was predominantly initially trained in the scientific model, the last number of years for me has been becoming more aware of that connection between really learning the herb from the herb itself, even just through tasting it. One thing I like to talk about is we can understand an herb really almost all the way through simply by tasting it and by understanding what happens through the different properties of those tastes. So for example, you taste something that's very pungent and spicy and hot that typically will stimulate digestive secretions, have a carminative action, typically stimulate circulation of the blood. Oftentimes they're very warming, energetically, oftentimes drying energetically versus you taste something very bitter that typically indicates that it's gonna act upon the liver and gallbladder, it's going to have a cooling drying, energetic action, typically draws the vital force down and in oftentimes have antiseptic properties.   Sajah Popham: (38:46) So we can really just through tasting the herbs, understanding the complexity of their tastes through being sensitive to our bodies, being able to be aware of our organ systems and how they're changing, being aware of even our mind and our emotions. For me, it's like when I take a herb, I really do my best to just be very aware of what's going on inside of the wholeness of my being. I really want to feel and understand how that plant is influencing the totality of who I am. And there was another thing that you mentioned there that I really appreciate. I feel like it can be so easy to really go against the modern medical paradigm and be like, "Well, screw those guys. They're poisoning everyone. I don't have any need for it." And I totally resonate with that. That's where I was too in my early 20s. I was just like, "Screw the system. I don't need any doctors or anything like that. I just need my herbs and I'm all good."   Sajah Popham: (39:58) And boy that really came back to me and bit me, because I got very sick in my early 20s with Lyme's disease and got faced with the decision of, "Okay, well, we caught it early. You can take some antibiotics and probably take care of this and clear it and not have Lymes disease." Or I could be very rigid in my paradigm and say, "Well, the hell with that. I'm just going to use my herbs, but potentially have Lyme's disease for the rest of my life."And then that was the moment where I realised that Western medicine does have its place because I took the antibiotics and you know what? They healed me. And that was a really big eye-opening experience for me and realising that do not be too extreme... Just for myself personally, I know this isn't for everyone, but for myself, I realised, I need to be able to see where things have their place and not to be too extreme, which I do have a tendency to be sometimes.   Sajah Popham: (41:03) So that was a really good learning experience for me to actually be healed by those pills that I was so against for so long. And of course for me, I'm predominantly working with the herbs for health maintenance and things like that. But I do feel that in those extreme situations, that Western medicine can be miraculous.   Mason: (41:25) That's so interesting. That's exactly the same thing that happened to me late last year. I had the dregs of my "fuck the system" really hanging on tight. And we were a month away roughly from due date of having our baby. And I went down with this tick, same thing and I went, "That's okay. Get on my herbs. I'll get on everything hard and I'll be fine." And after 10 days I'd had one up period where I was like, "Yeah, I think I'm getting this, I'm getting through this" and then smashed on my back and then had to... I sat there for a whole day meditating on it going, "Do you really want to mess with..." And everyone just saying as well, everyone would just stop the back of a couple of Lyme disease podcasts.   Mason: (42:19) So everyone is right up on that now, which is nice to everyone can be in on that conversation of hearing what these of symptoms are and what you're looking down the barrel of. If you too proud to realise that, "Hey, maybe something like doxycycline or whatever it is does have a place to come in." And it could be really... It's interesting because going into an extreme isn't in any sense, whether it's an extreme naturalist or extremist in terms of herbalism, where for me, I'm losing sight of usefulness of other areas of expertise or other people's passions. It really took me far off balance. So man, I'm with you 100% exact same experience in two days, all symptoms were gone. And then I didn't take my finger off the pulse as I'm sure you've probably gone about quite a solid cleanup mission after that, I'm sure.   Sajah Popham: (43:10) Yeah. So I would say about two years, it took me to get my digestive system back in balance. Because I was on doxycycline for about six weeks straight. And a boy that really rocked me for sure, but, I'm very grateful to it because I haven't been sick with Lyme disease since then.   Mason: (43:34) I found it really interesting because even I was on doxy for three and a bit weeks. Came off that little bit early because I felt that was just for me, I really felt that that was appropriate and it was the time to do that. However, even I was looking into doxy before I took it and saying that it's one of these antibiotics that if there's any there are degrees of severity in which they wipe out the bacteria. But that even it's like a quick uptake in the small intestine. And even then they're like compared to others which get down deep and annihilate the bacterial colonies. Even then I've definitely experienced a setback, but in saying, you've had to spend two years really repollinating. It's amazing appreciation for the use of poison as medicine and that comes up in herbalism as well, right?   Sajah Popham: (44:33) Oh, absolutely. I mean, that's actually a pretty big premise of alchemy. The AHS said that the most powerful poisons in the world are also the most powerful medicines and the difference is in dosage and in preparation. So that's the one thing you see in more of the mineral and metallic works in alchemy that they will work with some of the most powerful poisons: mercury, antimony. And there are certain ways of preparing those poisons to make them into a medicine. And they say, like my teacher in alchemy, a man named Robert Bartlett. He makes a medicine from antimony called the Oil of Antimony. And he's seen that cure everything from cancer to all sorts of very serious sicknesses. And in alchemy they say, "The higher you climb the rungs of the ladder in alchemical works, the less medicines you need." And they say that you get to that point of creating what they call the universal medicines, that one medicine that will cure all things. And that's the way that they talk about the Oil of Antimony, but boy you prepare it wrong it's real toxic.   Mason: (45:53) Just one thing I don't want to leave the interview without talking to you about is this concept... East West medicine is beautifully ensconced, wouldn't you say in the herbal and the herbal scene with a lot of integrated doctors and a lot of allopathic doctors even taking on Eastern principles into their clinic. I don't know if you'd say that same thing, but do you agree that it's like getting some are getting more and more momentum?   Sajah Popham: (46:20) Yeah, absolutely. I think the concept of integrative medicine, bringing in... I think it really started with Chinese medicine really coming to the West and acupuncture becoming much more accepted. I think it's our generation now seeing Ayurvedic medicine becoming much more popularised, much more accepted, much more integrated. I absolutely see the Eastern and Western systems of medicine coming together. And that for me is a really beautiful thing because to me, it's like for me in my plant path, I've always been most interested in the universal principles. So whenever I'm studying I want to see what are the things that pop up all across the world that have withstood the test of time, so to speak? It's like if we see a principle in Ayurvedic medicine, that's also in Chinese medicine system, that's also in Greek medicine, that's also an Arabic medicine, that is also mentioned by Samuel Thompson in North America, that is also mentioned by an herbalist in the Amazon rainforest. It's like, okay, all these people are saying pretty much the same thing, there's got to be something to it. And so for me, that's always been my approach and why I really appreciate integrating these models is because it gives us new perspectives and it gives us a well-rounded understanding and really gives us those universal truths and principles of healing and rejuvenation about plants as well.   Mason: (48:22) And then for you, where did the North South aspect of herbalism and lifestyle come into play?   Sajah Popham: (48:33) Yeah, well, for me yeah. I was first introduced to the concept of what Michael Tierra calls Planetary Herbology, which is integrating Chinese and Ayurvedic principles into basically classifying Western herbal medicines in a similar way to the way they would in Ayurvedic medicine or in Chinese medicine, which is great. That's been a major foundation for how I work with plants. But as I was saying earlier, for me, there was always this spiritual connection to the plants. There was always a relationship to the plant itself that was very important to me. And one of the things that I've noticed in travelling both through North America and South America and have been very blessed with the opportunity to work with first nations people in both North and South America, is that I saw that the foundation of their whole model of herbal medicine for the healers themselves was based on their relationship with the plants.   Sajah Popham: (49:48) And they said, "Anytime you want to use an herbal medicine, you need to have a relationship with that plant. You need to know that plant and that plant needs to know you." And so for me, the integration of East and West is incredible. And I think it gives us an amazing model for clinical practise. I think it gives us an incredible means for understanding people in more depth and how to effectively formulate and administer herbal medicines to people. But the North and South piece for me is really the foundation of all of it because it's that direct relationship, it's that direct knowing with the plants themselves that really is the foundation of herbal medicine. I always say it's like we can think back to the first human beings ever to exist on planet earth and think of who was the first teacher of herbal medicine?   Sajah Popham: (50:54) Well, it was the plants themselves. And that's something that I really want to come back to in my own work. And I really see that in a big way in the herbal medicine world is people don't want to just learn them from a book. People want to touch it and taste it and see it and sit with it. And they want to have a vision with it. They want to have a dream with it. They want to have this deeper connection, this deeper relationship to the plants. And to me, that's what the plant path is all about. It's like as an herbalist, it's like we're moving through our road of life. And as we go through our own challenges, our own sickness, our own difficulties on this road of life, different plants will make themselves known to us. And as we learn those plants, we make a good relation with that plant.   Sajah Popham: (51:48) It's almost like that plant becomes a part of who we are and we carry that plant inside of us. And it is so much more than just a plant. It's like our friend. It's our ally, it's our guide. It's our protector. It's something that we turn to in our time of need. And when someone else comes to us and ask for that help, it's like the plants have authorised us in a way to use them to help these people. So to me, the North and South model is a little bit more of a spiritual... I would say a little bit more of a spiritual perspective on herbal medicine that is really rooted in learning about the plants from the plants themselves and having a very good spiritual connection to them and having good relations with them.   Sajah Popham: (52:39) I remember when I was in the Amazon the last time I was on a plant walk with an herbalist and there's all these plants, we're in the Amazon, right? So it's all these plants and I'm so shocked to finally be seeing them. And I would be asking them a lot of questions like, "Oh, this plant how do you work with it? And what it tastes like? And what's it spirit like?" And I was asking them all these questions and he would always say, "Oh." Basically they would never answer my questions. They would just say, "Oh, you just need to die at that plant." And what they mean when they say you need to die at that plant is basically, you need to take a period of time in isolation and really restrict certain foods from your diet, basically eat a very bland diet and just ingest that plant for a prolonged period of time so that you are building that relationship and that connection and really getting to know that plant from the inside out. And they say that's how you learn in herbal medicine.   Sajah Popham: (53:53) They say, "If I tell you, it's not going to have as much power as compared to the plant telling you itself." And they'd say that the way you work with plants built up that way, there's something different about it. There's more power behind it. And that's where we really see these miraculous healings happen through the plants, so where people use a plant in a way that no one else uses it and it works for them. But if someone else was trying to do it, it may not work for them because they don't have that level of connection. So it's the North and South piece of it is... To me, it's a little bit of a more spiritual take on herbal medicine. That certainly is not for everyone, but I think for anyone that is serious about practising herbalism, I think just getting down to the simple piece of it. It's just important to have that good connection and relationship to the plants that you use. I'd rather know 20 plants really well, and have a very deep, good connection with them than know 200 plants superficially.   Mason: (55:11) Oh, beautiful man. I really heard you on that one, 100%. If people want to tune with you, you've got evolutionary herbalism there in Southern Oregon. Is that website the best way for people to find out about that?   Sajah Popham: (55:26) Yeah. You can go to evolutionaryherbalism.com. I've got my blog on there with lots of free videos and we do some more in-depth, free mini courses that are available there. All of our programmes are available online, so it's all distance learning format. And then we do have live workshops that go alongside with some of those programmes as well. And just started our own podcast this year called The Plant Path.   Mason: (55:53) Oh cool.   Sajah Popham: (55:54) So be sure to check that out to you and then our spagyric herbal extracts you can check that out at organic-unity.com.   Mason: (56:06) Man. I love it. Thanks so much for coming on today. I really enjoyed it and I've really got a lot out of it.   Sajah Popham: (56:12) Thank you very much. I really appreciate you inviting me on and then maybe we can do it again sometime.   Mason: (56:17) Beautiful. Peace man.   Sajah Popham: (56:18) All right. You take care.

Greetings Heathens! We’ve got a special episode for you today, Rasputin has escaped death once again and is joining Eric Murphy on the show! Wooooo! Joking, it’s JMike. Welcome to the co-host seat JMike, we are glad you are here!Let’s get to calls! Aegir from Iceland would like to talk about why we argue against intelligent design and are justified in calling it random.Pauly in Germany is up next, asking if you’ve deconverted from religious life, how does this impact your mental health? Interesting question!Bill, a presup in Missouri, is thinking too hard and has a question about setting up a debate with Darth Dawkins. Hey Bill, let’s not call on behalf of others, we are talking to YOU, not them. They can call in if they want to. He follows this up with: How does Atheism have a truth value in reality? Oooooh, our first presup question of today’s show! How exciting. Though Bill is being dishonest and only waiting for his turn to talk. Bye Bill, here’s a tip, learn how to actively listen and not just read from your script.Returning caller Randy in California is wondering about a hypothetical, what would the long term effects of sequestering religions into specific regions, including atheists. Hmmm, what a quandary. But I don’t want to live in Florida!Rick in Georgia is wondering about how when he looks around he sees intelligent design and believes this creator/creation is all around us. He also believes that everything is logical and has a purpose. We should look at the trees that bear fruit that we can eat! Oh boy.Michael in California is calling in asking about an argument for the existence of a God creator. He lists out at least 6-8 premises that revolve around that there are explanations for everything in the universe/cosmos and this must be due to God. Queue in the category of Cosmological arguments in 3, 2, 1.Up next, Dean in North Carolina is a professional presup and wants to discuss a recent debate about Christianity and science, and the strengths and weaknesses between both participants. Umm, nah. Let’s talk about something else. He then asked: Do you think all truth can only be discovered through the scientific method?That’s our show for this week, please continue to be safe in your area, get the vaccine if you can, and please wear your mask in public. The world is better with you in it. See you next week!

I don't know if I entirely agree with this assessment, but it's definitely the most entertaining piece of feedback I've gotten about this podcast so far. But, I kind of see where this listener is coming from! In this episode, we discuss how I've made the shift from a type A, numbers-driven financial analyst to a financial planner that emphasizes building your own criteria for success rather than "just" trying to maximize the numbers.

Bob Falcone gives us the details of Do’s and Don’ts when it comes to hiking the trails in Colorado Springs Hiking affectionando, Bob Falcone, shows Councilman Bill Murray the way around Colorado Springs trails and open space. What is the state of trails & open space? What is the Parkland Dedication ordinance? The Conservation Trust… The post Hey, Bill! Take a Hike! Bob Falcone shows Bill the way. Aug 31 2020 appeared first on Studio 809 Podcasts.

How to do LinkedIn lead regeneration? For LinkedIn, this is what most people do while trying to generate a lead. You send an invite. If you think the person is a prospect and you, most of the time, you don't have any note. If you have, it will have something like "Hey, I found your profile interesting." or some random note like that, which is spammy and which is cliched and repetitive. The other person doesn't care who you are; they probably accept you as well. And out of a hundred invites that you send, 30 will get approved. And the moment they recognize what you do is send a message, copy paste a high level, 3000-word essay. Then say in the memo, "if you're interested, let me know. " Every day I get on LinkedIn, I get bombarded by sales pitches. I have no problem with sales pitches as long as they are right. I get bombarded for sales pitches about random B2B tools. Random things which are not related to me, and this happens, right? What you have to do is relationship building, so let me tell you one way of doing it, right. I'm going to keep it very straightforward. You send an invite back with a personalized note. How can you personalize a letter? You can talk about multiple things, things that are in commonality. Let's say you are a marketer. The person is a marketer as well. So what do people use in marketing? So you can talk about, Hey, I extensively use Google analytics or extensive use of Facebook ads. And I've just figured out the right way of campaign budget optimization. I would love to jam with you and see if there's anything that we could figure out together. Find common ground and that common ground. It cannot be broad. If not able to find common ground. Are the people you want to connect to creating content on LinkedIn? Have they shared anything on LinkedIn? All you have to do is find something that they wrote very recently. Let's say I talk about, I spoke about, you're sending me a custom note. I spoke about Facebook acquiring 10% of the equity stake in Jio. You can talk about it. "Hey Bill, I found an article on the Facebook acquisition of Jio, and I find it very interesting. We'd love to get in touch." Now I know for a fact someone who send me an invite has put in some effort. 8% of the total invites that go out have a personalized message. So the moment you put a message, your chances of getting accepted already goes up. Put a very personalized message; the chances go for triples or becomes four X of it. The moment they connect, you don't send them a sales pitch. My friends, if you send them a sales pitch, it's the same story all over again, right?

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Get Exclusive Pop Culture Show video interviews, video content and bonus video exclusively from our Instagram. Sign up for our Pop Cult and be the first to get show announcements, free stuff and insider information only available to cult members.Speaker 1 (00:00):Welcome to the Pop Culture Show with Barnes, Leslie, and Cubby. Barnes (00:04):Welcome to episode 22 of the Pop Culture Show Barnes, Leslie, and Cubby. Please rate, review, and subscribe. That's how it keeps us alive, and Cubby, the Pop Culture Show now on the iHeartRadio app and where else? Cubby (00:19):That would be ... Wait, what do you mean where else? Barnes (00:21):Tesla's. Cubby (00:22):Oh, Tesla's. That's right. We give you a hard time because every week you mention it, and now I had a chance and I failed. Leslie (00:29):Are we in Wennebagos? That's all I want to know. Barnes (00:31):Yeah. And coming soon to the Astro Van and also thanks to our listeners in Turks and Caicos. Cubby (00:37):Turks and Caicos, that was my first episode with you guys. And I learned that I was saying it wrong my whole life. Barnes (00:43):That's okay, you're good. How are you guys? Cubby (00:45):Good. Leslie (00:46):Really good. Cubby (00:46):How are you guys feeling? Leslie (00:46):You know what ... Barnes (00:48):I'm good, crazy. Leslie (00:49):I'm wanting to feel better. I want to ask you guys how much water do you drink on a daily basis? Barnes (00:53):Not enough. Cubby (00:53):Not as much as you, girl. Oh my goodness. Leslie (00:57):Several years ago I got kidney stones, and the doctor said, "You need to drown yourself in water." I just forget to drink water, so I bought this, I don't know if you've seen them or not, but it's a gallon jug. You can get it on Amazon, QuiFit, built for life. Barnes (01:11):A QuiFit? Cubby (01:12):What? Leslie (01:13):I don't know. Cubby (01:14):Fram. Leslie (01:17):Is that what's called? Cubby (01:17):A QuiFit? Leslie (01:23):Build life. Barnes (01:24):Fram, do you know what you're saying? Leslie (01:26):No, I don't. I just know I have a gallon jug in front of me. Barnes (01:29):Do you know what a qweef is? Leslie (01:30):No, I don't. Cubby (01:30):You don't? Leslie (01:30):Fit, I said fit. Cubby (01:33):Are you serious? Leslie (01:35):No, what is it? Uh-oh [crosstalk 00:01:41] Cubby (01:41):You don't know what a qweef is? Barnes (01:41):Next. Leslie (01:46):Did I screw up again? Barnes (01:48):Next. Just keep going, just keep going. [crosstalk 00:01:50]. Hold on to your QuiFit. Leslie (01:53):I bought this- Cubby (01:53):Do you drink that gallon in a whole day? Barnes (01:54):Hold it up. Leslie (01:55):Yeah, you start in the morning, and it gives you little inspirational quotes. Cubby (01:59):Oh, it's a Qui-Fit? Leslie (02:01):That's what I said. I said a QuiFit. What is going on here? Barnes (02:10):Oh my God. Leslie (02:11):It starts at 7:00 a.m. good morning, and as you go throughout the day in every two hour increments it's like, "Remember your goal. Keep drinking. No excuses." Anyway, it's a gallon a day. Barnes (02:21):Yeah, do people freak out that you're walking around with a jug with a bunch of writing on it? Leslie (02:26):Well the problem is now is coronavirus so I'm home all day. Barnes (02:29):Oh, that's right. Leslie (02:29):I'm dedicated. Let me see if I can do this for a month. Cubby (02:32):Can we have Leslie look up qweef live just so we can see her reaction when she reads it? Barnes (02:36):Leslie, go ahead. Leslie (02:36):Wait, what is it? Barnes (02:38):Google it. Cubby (02:38):Google it right now. Leslie (02:39):All right, how do you spell it? Cubby (02:40):Q-W-E-E-F. I just did it, and it came right to the top of Google. Leslie (02:40):Q-W- Barnes (02:40):Read us that definition. Leslie (02:40):Q-W-E-F. Cubby (02:45):Q-W-E-E-F. E-E-F. Leslie (02:49):Oh, E-E-F. All right, hold on a second. Barnes (02:53):What's the definition, Fram? Leslie (02:54):It's not what I said. Cubby (03:00):Oh man. I don't know if I can top that. Barnes (03:04):No. Read it, and we'll beep it. Leslie (03:08):I'll never hear the end of this. Barnes (03:09):Read the definition. Leslie (03:12):Flatulence can have causes that aren't due to underlying disease. Cubby (03:18):You don't really have to bleep it. Leslie (03:19):See a doctor if you- Cubby (03:21):It is a medical term. Leslie (03:22):... feel pain during sexual intercourse, pass gas, stool, or ... I can't even read this. Barnes (03:29):I mean, when we publish these they ask us, "Is this explicit?" We're only a few minutes in, and we're already explicit. Leslie (03:36):Thanks a lot. Barnes (03:37):Cubby, how was your week? Cubby (03:38):Well, to tell you the truth I needed that gallon of water Leslie has to put my arm out because my arm caught on fire last week. Leslie (03:47):What? Barnes (03:48):Your arm caught on fire? Cubby (03:49):Not really, so kind of. I had a grilling accident. Before I grill, which I love to grill, before I put the steaks on the grill I clean the grill, and I always put a little cooking oil on it. And then I usually wait a couple of minutes, and then I turn the gas on because it's propane, and then I fire it up. Well, there was some thunderstorms moving in, and I knew my time was limited, so I sprayed the oil on, and then I fired up the propane and didn't wait as long as I probably should have. Barnes (04:16):Wait, did you qweef it? Cubby (04:19):So then I lit the grill, and I had a mushroom cloud over my town. It was like, poof. But my right arm totally all the hair singed off, and you know that nasty smell hair makes. Leslie (04:29):Awful. Cubby (04:31):It is awful, and it just hung around on my arm all night. Finally I said, "Honey, I got to take another shower." It just smelled so bad. So, yeah, a near death grilling experience was the highlight of my week. Barnes (04:40):That was huge. Cubby (04:42):Yeah. Barnes (04:42):I jumped on a plane for the first time since February. Went to Houston for a shoot, and do you know what a mask hole is? Leslie (04:52):No. Cubby (04:53):No, I don't. Barnes (04:54):It's a term. It is an individual who wears a mask in a way that makes it completely ineffective like below the nose, under the chin, or back of the head. Think about that when you see them. There was a maskhole sitting in front of me, and he had the mask covering his mouth, and that was it. Leslie (05:11):Oh boy. Barnes (05:12):And you just want to go, "Dude, really? Do you understand why you're wearing a mask?" And there are arguments whether the masks work or not. But anyway, that's a maskhole. The coronavirus thing seems to be getting worse. Cubby (05:24):It does. Leslie (05:25):Yeah, and it's terrible in Tennessee as you guys know. Barnes (05:28):It's so bad. Leslie (05:29):What's going on in Georgia? Barnes (05:30):Same thing. Between nightly riots, coronavirus- Leslie (05:35):Shootings. Barnes (05:35):... street racing, yeah, all kinds of stuff. Cubby (05:38):Speaking of COVID, actually Steven Mnuchin promises to scale back unemployment benefits in a new $1 trillion coronavirus package, and another round of checks are coming in August of $1,200 so another stimulus coming at you in August. Barnes (05:55):And they're trying to kill ... What you said, they're trying to kill the ... Diminish the, whatever, that $600 unemployment a week or whatever that was because they want to motivate people to get back to work. Cubby (06:03):Correct. Scale back the unemployment benefits to get rid of $600 bonus. Barnes (06:08):But the plane thing was pretty easy. It was an hour and a half to Houston, but there were maybe 20 people on board, and they board from the back of the plane forward, which they should do anyway. And then I got to Houston at 9:03, went to a shoot, was back on the plane by 1:25 and got back to Atlanta. Cubby (06:28):TSA was a breeze. Even though we're all pre-screened, still you don't even need pre-screening anymore, do you? Barnes (06:32):Well I have clear because I'm a diamond medallion and you get it for free if you hit that status with Delta, and so you have clear, but it's funny because there's no one there. You walk up, and it's just ... Cubby (06:42):It's clear everywhere. Barnes (06:43):Yeah, you don't have to touch it, which is great because they use your eyes. So it was pretty painless, anyway. Some announcements, next week on the show Butch Walker, big time producer, former band called the Marvelous 3 out of Atlanta [crosstalk 00:06:58] among other. Leslie (06:59):Huge solo career, yup. Barnes (07:00):Yeah. Among other bands, and solo albums. And the guy writes for people like Taylor Swift, people like that, that don't really do much. Leslie (07:08):One of the nicest guys ever and one of the best live shows ever. Barnes (07:11):Yeah, so we're going to do an on location from his farm in Tennessee. Leslie (07:14):That's right. Barnes (07:14):Everybody but Cubby unless you want to get on a plane. Cubby (07:16):How come I'm not invited? What's up with that? Leslie (07:17):Come on in. Barnes (07:18):You are invited. Come on. Cubby (07:20):Actually, I'm nervous about flying. I don't know why. Not flying itself. I love to fly, but I'm saying I can't get past this whole COVID thing. I'm still a little sheltered. Barnes (07:29):Also in August, Grammy winner Kristian Bush from Sugarland will be on with us, good dude who ranges from Alternative to Country. He can do everything and anything. Leslie (07:39):Also, producing too. Kristian's been doing everything. Barnes (07:42):Also, coming up on today's episode, Goldberg, Bill Goldberg from a secret location at his new bunker in Texas. He is such a great guy. I have a funny story to tell about going up to lunch with him. Leslie (07:58):He's Mr. Motivational. I love that. He's always positive. Barnes (08:01):Always positive. That guy when we would do appearances with him, Cubby, he would show up at whatever to promote like the celebrity softball game we had, and he would stay until every kid got an autograph. And that was at the height of his WWE. Cubby (08:12):I love him already. I love people that are just down to Earth and cool. Barnes (08:16):He's so cool. So Goldberg is coming up. Cubby (08:18):Well, we've talked often how we love our gadgets, and the iPhone 12 is coming, and there are already rumors going around. Now, Leslie you're- Leslie (08:27):I'm a Samsung person. I know, I know. Cubby (08:29):Right, yeah. So you can go ahead and take your headphones off. We don't need you. But Barnes- Leslie (08:33):Okay. What's going on with the 12? Cubby (08:34):Well, every time a new phone comes out there's always rumors going around on how it's going to look and all that. So they're saying it is going to be called iPhone 12. Some people were speculating maybe they're going to just change that up because they keep going in order, but it is going to be called the iPhone 12, and there's going to be four different iPhones. Now, Barnes, you're probably the Pro Max kind of guy, right? Barnes (08:54):I'm already on 14, bro. Leslie (08:55):What? Cubby (08:55):What do you mean? Barnes (08:56):Apple hooks me up. I'm two ahead. Cubby (08:57):Shut up, you're such a liar. Leslie (08:57):What? Barnes (08:58):I'm kidding. I'm kidding. You know these leaks come from Apple. Cubby (09:02):They do to get the hype going, right? Barnes (09:03):Yeah. Cubby (09:04):The iPhone 12, the iPhone 12 Pro, and the 12 Pro Max are the rumors. Apparently they're going to be bringing back the squared edges, which I'm not a huge fan of but ... Barnes (09:18):And metal I heard. Cubby (09:19):Right, around the edges and the corners like iPhone 4 and 5. They're going to be bringing that back. They always say this every time that they have a new phone coming, but apparently the camera is getting better, a new camera. Leslie (09:32):I think we should just all go back to the flip phone. Barnes (09:33):Yeah. Cubby (09:34):Hey, they've come back too. Barnes (09:35):Totally have, StarTech's. Cubby (09:36):They really have. Also, according to the rumors the iPhone 12 the 5G seems inevitable. 2020 is prime to be a big year for the rollout of 5G, and a lot of people are wondering if iPhones are going to support 5G, and it looks like it will. One more thing, look for a very powerful charger. You're going to be charging in no time. Barnes (09:57):They may be changing it, Cubby, right? They're going to change possibly from lightning to the C. Cubby (10:01):The braided lightning charging cables. Barnes (10:04):Oh, the braided one? Cubby (10:05):Yeah. Barnes (10:05):And then there's a rumor that they may not give you the cable with the phone. Cubby (10:08):Which is another way to make money, right, because you have to buy it. Barnes (10:10):Yeah, I'm assuming. It's getting ridiculous. Leslie (10:13):Apple loves to do that. Barnes (10:14):I'm surprised they're releasing it, and they're saying September 5th. I'm surprised they're doing it. Cubby (10:18):No. Barnes (10:18):No, not the fifth. Cubby (10:19):No, I'm already hearing mid-October all because of COVID. And that could be right. Again, this is the rumor mill. Barnes (10:26):I heard mid-October was laptops, and then the phones were coming in September. But I could be wrong. They always do it around that date, but during COVID when people are strapped for cash who is going to buy a $1,500 phone? Cubby (10:38):Right. Barnes (10:39):All right, show me some sleaze, Fram. Leslie (10:41):Well, the world lost a TV icon. Regis Philbin dying at the age of 88. I don't know if you guys saw this or not, but Letterman had just such an amazing tribute to him. He said he was like the Johnny Carson of television, the master communicator. Do you know that Letterman had him on more than any other guest, up to I think 130 to 150 times. Regis was his number one guest. Barnes (11:08):I was just surprised. I don't know why, he's 88. I don't know why I was so shocked to see it, that story come across. Cubby (11:14):Because we didn't hear he was sick. Leslie (11:15):He held the world's most ... According to the Guinness Book of World Records, he was on TV more than anybody else, guess how many hours? Cubby (11:24):Oh my god, 20,000, I don't know. Leslie (11:26):Yeah, 16,700 hours. It's really funny because last year I had a chance to talk to Kathie Lee Gifford because she moved to Nashville. That was an era on television where they were master story tellers, and she couldn't have said enough amazing things about Regis. Cubby (11:41):I can't believe you're talking about this, Leslie, because coming up later when I do my pop this week in pop culture I have a whole thing with Kathie Lee, and her final episode was actually this week 20 years ago. But I have the audio of her signing off, so listen for that coming up here in a few minutes. Leslie (11:56):Really crazy week with Kanye West and the Twitter rants that he had. It's sad because he suffers ... He's bipolar, and a lot of people are really upset and concerned about his mental health, but he did come out over the last 48 hours and apologize to his wife, Kim Kardashian. "I want to say I know I hurt you. Please forgive me. Thank you for always being there for me," because he accused her of many things, locking him up and being a white supremacist for apparently doing what she wasn't supposed to do which was speak about him publicly. Barnes (12:28):Little late on that apology, just a little. The damage might be done. Leslie (12:31):He said that Kris Jenner was Kris Jong-un like Kim Jong-un. Yeah, it was really sad, but apparently now he's apologizing. We'll see what happens. Justin Bieber went and visited him out in Colorado. Barnes (12:42):Well that should make everything better. Leslie (12:45):Yeah it should ... Speaking of the Jenners, Kylie, 22-year-old Kylie was you know is a billionaire, right? She has her own cosmetic company. She bought her daughter, Stormy, her dream pony that cost $200,000. Cubby (12:56):That's in their cup holder, probably in the car, $200,000. Leslie (13:01):Yeah, and she paid an extra $7,000 to $10,000 to fly the pony from LA to The Netherlands or from the Netherlands, and the pony is now in coronavirus, the pony is now in quarantine. Barnes (13:14):Wouldn't you like to be a supplier to them because you know you could just 10X whatever you're selling, 10 to 20X whatever the price is. Like how much is it? A friend of mine has a place called Classic Collision in Atlanta, and I went to go pick up a car one time, and one of their cars was there because he had the only shade of the specific blue that they were painting the Bentley. So they shipped the Bentley to him. They painted this Bentley this ridiculous powder blue, and then it goes back to them. These people just throw money around. Cubby (13:44):What are we doing wrong? Barnes (13:45):It's unreal. Leslie (13:45):200,000 though for her is like, what, 200 to us maybe. Cubby (13:49):I know. Leslie (13:49):Because she's a billionaire. Barnes (13:51):It starts with a sex tape, people. Leslie (13:54):Is that the key? That's the secret. Barnes (13:56):That's the secret. Cubby (13:56):Well that's how you and Leslie started your whole thing. Leslie (13:59):Yeah, exactly. Cubby (13:59):Back in the early '90s. Leslie (14:01):Let me just say this. One of the most heart wrenching things has been reading the Instagram posts from Orlando Bloom who is destroyed over losing his dog. Latest post, he did get a tattoo of his dog, Mighty, on his chest. "Mighty's on the other side now after seven days of searching from sunrise to sunset into the wee hours today, the seventh day we found his collar." It's a really long post, but it's really heart warming, and he basically searched the neighborhood. Every nook and cranny, but he just went on to say that they just had this amazing bond. Were you following those Instagram posts? Cubby (14:40):I was, I was, and I kept thinking well new baby coming soon, so there's a lot going on in their house. I was wondering when ... Isn't Katie due any moment now? Leslie (14:50):Yeah, so you think the hormones were hitting him? Cubby (14:52):Yeah, it probably was. Barnes (14:54):It's like corona, within six feet. Leslie (14:57):Now you guys know I've been obsessed with the Johnny Depp trial, but the funny thing this past week ... And he's been accusing her of having all these affairs, but his nicknames for people. He called Leonardo DiCaprio Pumpkin Head, and he called Channing Tatum, Potato Head, so it's really funny to hear what Johnny Depp says about all these other actors he thought Amber was having an affair with. I'm so into it. Barnes, Big Brother All-Stars premiering August fifth, the COVID-19 edition. Barnes (15:29):Oh yes, all-stars, 20th season. Leslie (15:32):You are such a Big Brother fan. I never got it. Cubby (15:35):[inaudible 00:15:35]. Do you watch it live or do you DVR it and catch up? Barnes (15:37):Are you kidding? I'm only, like, 10 minutes behind so I can miss the commercials, or 15 minutes, but no I watch it the night it ... You know when it came out it was on every night of the week originally. Cubby (15:45):I remember that. That was like what, '02. Barnes (15:48):Ish, yeah. And then it went to three nights a week I think, and now it's three or four. I'm there every night that it's on. You'll have to ... This is the time to get on, which quickly interject. Give me something to watch on Netflix, Leslie. Leslie (15:59):There's a ton of stuff. Barnes (16:01):I asked for one. Give me two, give me two things. Leslie (16:03):Okay. I'm going to give you two things, one that I just finished that I'm obsessed with, The Last Dance, about the Bulls and Michael Jordan. Barnes (16:10):Way to be on top of that, Fram, that's so March COVID. Cubby (16:13):Yeah. Leslie (16:13):Well it's new to Netflix so a lot of people are actually watching it now that didn't see it on ESPN. Fear City, about the Mafia in New York in the '70s and '80s. Barnes (16:22):I'm watching that. Leslie (16:23):What do you think so far? Barnes (16:24):It's good. It's very good. It's talking about how the Mafia, they're comparing it to some of the other cities right now like Chicago and Atlanta where all the crime is happening. It's where they're trying to take the city back, and New York was just so bad. And it goes through the five crime families. It's quite interesting. Leslie (16:38):Now, are your wives into chick flicks? Barnes (16:40):I only have one. Leslie (16:41):Well, Cubby is on the show too. Cubby (16:43):I'm on the show too. Barnes (16:44):Oh, I thought you were talking to me still. You're like, "Are your wives." I moved from Salt Lake City ... No, I never lived there. Cubby (16:51):My wife, Cocoa, we watch Married at First Sight. Barnes (16:55):Oh, that's good. See, you get on me for watching Big Brother, but you watch Married at First Sight. Cubby (16:59):Well Big Brother is just kind of played out to me, but Married at First Sight, 90-Day Fiance, and they have like a million 90 days. Barnes (17:05):I heard that's great. Cubby (17:06):You have 90-Day The Other Way, 90-Day This Way, 90-Day That Way. There's a million 90 Days but they're good. Leslie (17:11):Yeah, because Kissing Booth 2 is on Netflix. Barnes (17:13):Oh God. Cubby (17:14):Leslie, what do all your husbands watch? Leslie (17:18):Well, we love a lot of dramas, seriously love dramas. But I will tell you he did like The Crown, and it is coming back but not until 2022 because of COVID. Cubby (17:30):Everything's COVID. Leslie (17:30):It's unbelievable. Barnes (17:31):I have a good one for you both on Netflix. I told you about Liar, and you haven't watched it yet, Leslie, because you would have told me you did, and you're missing out. Leslie (17:39):I haven't watched it yet. Barnes (17:39):Cubby, do you have Netflix? You do right? Cubby (17:41):I do. We don't have time with the baby, but yeah. Barnes (17:43):I give you more of a break than Leslie. Liar is good, but you want to skip right to another British I would call it Liar meets The Affair, which The Affair I loved on- Leslie (17:54):I loved The Affair on Showtime. Barnes (17:54):Okay, okay, we're connecting Leslie. Leslie (17:57):I loved that show. Okay, go ahead. Barnes (17:58):Watch Doctor Foster. I believe there's two seasons. Doctor Foster, it's a woman who believes her husband is having an affair. First episode will get you, especially the last 15 minutes. Leslie (18:09):Okay. Barnes (18:09):You need to watch Doctor Foster on Netflix. Cubby (18:12):There's something I want to say about all these shows. Everybody wants to recommend shows to their friends, and then the friends always say, "I'll put it on my list," but there is no list. Barnes (18:21):Yeah, there is. Cubby (18:22):Everyone's lying when they say that. "I'll put it on my list." There's too much to watch. Barnes (18:26):No, but there's the Netflix list. Cubby (18:28):No, but I'm saying you're passionate about something. You're trying to sell Leslie on watching the show. Leslie will say, "All right, I'll put it on my list," but Leslie will you ever get to it? Leslie (18:37):Well here's the thing. Most of the stuff I've been watching lately have been recommendations from people like Barnes about The Last Dances, Billions. A lot of stuff have been recommendations, and then of course I fall in love with these shows and then I'm obsessed with them. Cubby (18:50):Right. Barnes (18:51):Get into ... You can go back to Liar, but I think you should skip ahead to Doctor Foster. Leslie (18:54):All right, I can do that. Barnes (18:55):And then you'll want to watch ... They're very different, but similar tone. They're UK. Leslie (19:00):Have you guys ... Have you watched anything on Quibi? Barnes (19:05):No, I'm not buying into the hype. Leslie (19:06):Because now Samuel L. Jackson and Ryan Reynolds are partnering for something on Quibi. I haven't watched anything on there yet. I know a lot of people are excited that Shark Week is coming back on Discovery August 9th, and then there's SharkFest. Barnes (19:20):Turks and Caicos. Leslie (19:21):On Nat Geo. How did this happen? Happy 40th birthday to Caddyshack. Cubby (19:28):They actually had it on over the weekend. AMC was airing it. They had a marathon on. It was great, with the 40th logo on there, it was pretty cool. Audio (19:34):I want you to kill every gopher on the course. Audio (19:38):Check me if I'm wrong, Sandy, but if I kill all the golfers they're going to lock me up and throw away the key. Audio (19:45):Gophers, [inaudible 00:19:45] not golfers. The little brown, furry rodents. Audio (19:47):We can do that. Cubby (19:48):Such a classic. Great clip by the way, but come on, you didn't have Rodney. Rodney was ... Barnes (19:54):No, I just thought it was so overplayed. Rodney's always the clip. Leslie (19:57):This is really strange, I didn't realize this by the little bit of trivia. Harold Ramis had realized that his two biggest stars never appeared together, so I guess they had lunch one day and wrote a little scene so that Bill Murray and Chevy Chase could appear together. And then he also said that originally he wanted the theme to be all Pink Floyd. Of course, I don't know if that would've worked out. Cubby (20:16):Wow. Barnes (20:16):That'd be strange. Leslie (20:17):Dark Side of the Moon instead of I'm All Right by Kenny Loggins. And finally, this is not going away. Lifetime is now getting into the Jeffrey Epstein business. Yup, they got a movie coming out, the Jeffrey Epstein Movie. Barnes (20:32):So they got something completely different than the Netflix thing? Leslie (20:34):Yeah, they're going to talk about some of the survivors. Audio (20:37):I was 19. He began to touch me aggressively. It quickly turned into an assault. Audio (20:42):He forced oral sex on me right there. And the more I kept trying to resist the more fun he was having. Audio (20:48):I was 14. I told him to stop. He told me, "I'll stop if you just take your underwear off." Audio (20:54):He want's to do whatever he wants to do. Audio (20:55):At 16 what happens if I say no. Audio (20:58):I'm going to fight back. Audio (20:59):Chilling firsthand accounts from those who lived it. Surviving Jeffrey Epstein, a two night event, premiers Sunday, August 9th at 8:00, only on Lifetime. Leslie (21:09):And there's your celebrity sleaze. Barnes (21:11):Let's talk music quickly. Some people dropped some stuff this week, and I want to play you a couple of clips so you're in the know of what's going on in the music landscape, the biggest one being Taylor Swift with a surprise album. Leslie (21:21):Huge. Barnes (21:22):She was hunkered down during corona and created this album over that time, and the numbers are unbelievable. That Cardigan video got 20 million views in one day. They sold 1.3 million in one day. Spotify 80 million streams. That's a record by a female artist in one day. Apple Music 35 million streamed. That's a record. Leslie (21:47):Again, folklore, and I'll tell you it just proves again what a great songwriter she is. Barnes (21:51):So I went to ... I called my daughter because if you want to get to the source of what's good on the Taylor Swift you call the daughter who is 18, and I said, "Okay." She lives and breathes if Taylor does something she's on it. I said, "What's the best song?" She said to me the best song was The Last Great American Dynasty, and here's a clip. Taylor Swift (22:12):(singing) Barnes (22:42):So she says that's the best on. Cubby (22:44):It kind of reminds me of Jewel in a weird way. Barnes (22:46):Ish. Cubby (22:47):That Jewel sound, which is not a slam. I love Jewel, but Taylor is huge as we all know. It just has that 1996 Jewel feel. Barnes (22:55):I listened to the whole album, Folklore, and I thought it was ... It's super chill for sure. I mean she's- Leslie (23:00):I think that's the best song on the record too, that and Cardigan, so I agree with your daughter, Barnes. Barnes (23:04):There you go. Maybe she's a music in the making, a music director. Leslie (23:06):Yeah, A&R Director. Cubby (23:08):I was reading that she did all this during quarantine because I had heard she had a lot of stuff stockpiled from past work like in the last year, and I thought for sure she just put this out with all the extras she never got to, but apparently this is all in the last few months. Leslie (23:24):Brand new. Cubby (23:24):Yeah, brand new. Leslie (23:24):I liked the Lover record too. Cubby (23:25):Yeah, it was great too. Barnes (23:26):Some more new music that dropped, August Alsina. You know that name because that is the dude that was in the entanglement with what's her name. Leslie (23:34):Jada Pinkett Smith. Barnes (23:35):Yeah. What's weird, guys, and I said this when we first reported on that when it came out, that August Alsina the name of this song is Entanglements. She made a point when Will Smith was talking about her being in a situation she called it an entanglement and corrected him. And I thought all along this was some big weird marketing play. What's going on here? Leslie (23:55):So you don't think he wrote this right after she said entanglement? Barnes (23:58):No. Leslie (23:58):You think this song was kind of in the can for a while? Barnes (24:00):No. He's been working on this album for two or three years. Leslie (24:03):Yeah. It's strange. Barnes (24:04):It's just strange that she's trying to make things better, and she's like, "No, it was an entanglement, E-N-T-A-N-G ..." Yeah, listen. Here, I have two clips. This is very weird. There are mentions about her and Will Smith. Rick Ross raps on this, so I kind of dig the rap. But here's one of the hooks from Entanglement. August Alsina (24:34):(singing) Cubby (24:34):So, it seems fishy. Barnes (24:36):It seems fishy. Even more fishy, listen to the Rick Ross rap. Tell me how many ... Listen closely. Tell me how many Will Smith things you hear in here. Rick Ross (24:46):(singing) Barnes (25:20):See. There's a few of them in there. Will power, and he talked about The Matrix. Remember when Will Smith was up for The Matrix and didn't get it. Cubby (25:29):Yeah. Barnes (25:30):Just strange. Leslie (25:30):I do think that Will Smith ... By the way, I love him as an actor. I think he loves to control the narrative. They both do. And I think they're trying to say, "Everything's okay." Barnes (25:40):But they're up to something. Cubby (25:41):Yeah. They're trying to get us all talking. Leslie (25:44):There have been questions about that marriage for years. Barnes (25:47):Must be a cut. Blake Shelton and Gwen Stefani who if there was ever like, "Ooh, that gross happy couple," it is them. They are just so in love it is oozing from every wall. They put this out, this song called Happy Anywhere. Tell me what the problem is here, okay. This is Blake Shelton and Gwen Stefani. Listen to this clip and tell me what is missing. Again, this is Blake Shelton and Gwen Stefani, Happy Anywhere. Tell me what's missing. Speaker 17 (26:12):(singing) Barnes (26:33):What's missing? Leslie (26:35):Gwen. Cubby (26:36):Yeah. Barnes (26:36):Gwen Stefani. Her mix is so buried. Cubby (26:38):Right. You can barely hear her. Leslie (26:40):It's on Blake's new record, but I can tell you that the video, we premiered it on CMT and MTV premiered the video it's adorable. They're at his complex. They are in love. Let me just say that, in love. Barnes (26:53):We need to get him on the show, Fram. Come on. Leslie (26:55):He's a really good guy, but he's so busy. Barnes (26:57):I don't care. Leslie (26:57):Now obviously he does two seasons of The Voice every year, but he did this- Barnes (27:02):Come on. Leslie (27:02):Let me ask you about this. He did this Encore, you know the company that's doing all the drive-in concerts. He did the drive-in concert over the weekend. Gwen appeared as well and some other Country artists, but 300 drive-in theaters around the country, but it's a pre-taped concert. It was $100 a car, so you go in- Barnes (27:20):Why would you pay that? Leslie (27:21):It's $100 a car, so you can have six people in the car. Sold out everywhere, 300 drive-ins to see a taped concert. That's what the new norm is now. Garth Brooks did it. Would you go to a drive-in for a pre-taped. Barnes (27:34):No. Leslie (27:34):Unless it was something you just wanted to have some fun with your friends. Cubby (27:37):Why so expensive? Why was it 100 bucks? Leslie (27:38):Per car. Cubby (27:40):Per car. Oh, because you could have, like, five people in the car. Leslie (27:43):You could have up to six people in a car. Cubby (27:44):Oh, I get it. Right. Barnes (27:44):Get money, get paid. The last one we talked about Taylor Swift is so great at re-inventing herself. Every single time she puts out an album she takes a turn and goes a different direction. Here is the complete antithesis of that in a group that never takes a turn and puts out the same thing every single time. Have a listen. Tell me who it is. Speaker 18 (28:01):(singing) Barnes (28:01):It's the same very time. Cubby (28:02):Yup, and it'll be a huge hit. Speaker 18 (28:02):(singing) Barnes (28:10):When are they going to change the name of the band to Adam Levine? Because they don't even let the band in the videos anymore, and when did he shave his head? I somehow missed that. Leslie (28:29):He always has a different look. If you ever watched him on The Voice he had a different look every season, but ... Barnes (28:33):Shaved his head, and now he has a full on beard like something you would see the pilgrims out in the middle of nowhere. It's a completely different look. Cubby (28:44):But man, I tell you what, they've had a run though, right? Barnes (28:45):Amish, yeah. I like Maroon 5, but it's just funny. It's like they recorded 700 songs the first time they got together, and they're just putting out 10 every time. Leslie (28:54):He does have an amazing voice, though. You have to admit that. Cubby (28:56):I like them. Barnes (28:57):He totally does. I got off at the airport at LAX one time, and he was sitting in the very front waiting to get on the plane, and he had a black cap pulled down over his head. He's a stud. The guy is just like a super rockstar who's ... I like their first album better than any of them. Cubby (29:10):Have you ran into everybody at some point, Barnes? Barnes (29:13):I ran into Rick Ross at FedEx. Cubby (29:15):There you go. You need to have a weekly feature like who I ran into. Barnes (29:18):Just on people I ran into this week. Cubby (29:19):Yeah, who I ran into this week. Barnes (29:20):He was in a metallic silver either Lamborghini or Ferrari like it was a mirror, like a complete mirror. And he was a mess at the counter trying to get all of his stuff organized to send out. Leslie (29:32):When you run into somebody at the airport do you go up and talk to them? Barnes (29:35):At the airport? Leslie (29:36):Yeah, like if you saw- Cubby (29:36):Not unless I'm a really big fan. Leslie (29:37):Kind of give them their space. Barnes (29:39):Only person I have done ... Two people, Johnnie Cochran- Leslie (29:42):Nice. Barnes (29:43):... and Tom Landry. Cubby (29:46):Oh yeah, that's huge. Barnes (29:47):The two that you're never going to get another shot. Leslie (29:50):Yeah, I can see that. I can see that. Cubby (29:52):A lot of times I want to do it just because I want the ... Do it for the gram like for Facebook. But I usually don't go up to them because I feel bad. I don't want to bother them. Leslie (30:02):I did my first virtual concert a few days ago. Obviously I'm watching stuff on Facebook Live and Instagram but I went into Veeps, which is much ... There's a lot of these platforms out there now. There's Sessions and Mystro and StageIt. But Pete Yorn did his legendary album, Music From the Morning After. Barnes and I were able to play that when we worked at 99X. That record's like 2001, but he did the whole album from beginning to end, I liked the program because tickets start at 15 bucks, but then you can pay more and they give you these fun different levels. And I went ahead and just said, "I'm going to give them 100 bucks," since I was like, "Yeah, I get a hug for 100 bucks." It was really cool, and then if course I love watching the chat because you've got people from all over the world. So this may be the new norm for concerts for the next few years. Barnes (30:48):You paid for a virtual hug? Leslie (30:50):No, I paid 100 bucks for Pete Yorn because I love him. It was fun. Barnes (30:54):Women love them some Yorn. Leslie (30:55):Love Pete Yorn. Barnes (30:57):Man, they love that guy. Cubby (30:58):But you're right, Leslie. That is going to be the new norm for at least another year or two. All right, we've got somebody waiting to get on, and we cannot keep them waiting long because he'll kick our ass. Let's watch a scene first from his sitcom, which is so funny seeing him in this role. This is Bill Goldberg on The Goldbergs. Goldberg (31:15):Let's go. Come on 58. What the Hell is that. This ain't Sunday school. You're as useless as your communication degree. Well look at that, a tea party broke out at a football game. Get up, Lopez. I'll say when you have heat stroke. Speaker 20 (31:33):That's Miller's brother. Look at him. It's like this coach ate our coach. Speaker 21 (31:37):All I see is a big teddy bear who aches for his brother's love. Goldberg (31:41):What the Hell do you think you're doing, Blondie? Speaker 21 (31:43):I'm here to bring the Miller boys back together. It's time to fix things with Coach Rick, Coach Nick. Goldberg (31:48):My brother, pass. Barnes (31:53):You know when that music sounds just like Batman, he appears. Ladies and gentlemen, Bill Goldberg on The Pop Culture Show. Hey Bill. Goldberg (32:02):God, that never gets old, you know. Barnes (32:03):No, I want to play that just when I get up in the morning and I walk out of my bedroom. Goldberg (32:07):Well, sometimes they need it as inspiration to get in the shower, but you know. Everybody needs their little push in the morning any damn day. Barnes (32:19):Are you working somewhere, are you at home right now, where are you? Goldberg (32:23):I'm working right by my pool. Barnes (32:26):Nice. Goldberg (32:27):If you can imagine one of the maybe five or 10 places that you've thrown in front of me over the past 10 years as far as vacation spots to spend a couple days. Pick one of those out, and that's kind of where I am. Barnes (32:44):What he's talking about, Leslie and Cubby is a few times we'll put the siren out if I get a call from a big hotel chain that's saying, "We need you to film here. We've got a villa." So I'll call Goldberg sometimes and go, "Dude, we've got this 18-bedroom villa in Anguilla," and he'll be like, "Goddammit, let me figure this out." And he's trying to shuffle around, "I've got this and I've got that." That's what he's talking about. So now he's got his own paradise. Goldberg (33:11):Yeah, it sucks. I haven't been able to go man. [inaudible 00:33:13] take you up on our wonderful offer. Leslie (33:15):So Bill, do you mind being called Bill or do you want to just be called Goldberg? Goldberg (33:19):Come on Leslie, you can call me anything you want. Leslie (33:22):So Goldberg ... No. You're career has just been amazing, obviously from being a super athlete to acting. What's been the most rewarding for you? Goldberg (33:32):Well first and foremost, Leslie, for you to characterize it as amazing is a reach to say the least, but I think the longevity I guess needs ... The amazing part is that I've been able to reinvent myself I think. I haven't been great at anything by any stretch of the imagination. But once I feel the need or the quality wanes I turn the corner and try to do something else. Back in the day when we were all doing our thing back in Atlanta those were the greatest times. They really were, whether it was winning in front of 45,000 people at The Dome or standing on the sidelines trying to get in for the Falcons for three or four years, playing in the celebrity softball games. I've done a lot of cool things in my life, but those are the ones with your good friends that you cherish. Those are the ones that make memories. Cubby (34:29):I have to ask, Wikipedia isn't always right. Are you 6'2" and 266. That's what it says right now. Are you current six foot two, 266? Is that accurate or off base? Goldberg (34:41):Well I've been hit in the head with a number of chairs but not that many. I would've shrunk a number of inches but I'm 6'4" and about 270. Barnes (34:51):Cubby and Leslie, funny story about Goldberg. One time I was visiting him at his house when he lived outside of San Diego, and we went to lunch, and we went to this little place, I don't even remember what it's called. It was a small Mom and Pop regular old place, and we went in, and I ordered a grilled chicken and a whatever. Goldberg ordered, like, seven entrees. You mentioned the 6'4" or two, whatever. He orders all these entrees and the people knew him there, like the people that worked there. So they come with the massive, like the whole team has to bring out his entrees, and they line them up in front of him, and he just one at a time methodically just eats these full dishes. And I'm sitting there with my one little chicken breast. I'm like, "Okay, great." Barnes (35:37):Bill, the weird thing is everyone in the room must stares at you the whole time. Is that weird, just everywhere ... Because you're like a superhero? Goldberg (35:44):What's weird is the amount that I consume. What people have to understand is that once you get to a point where you eat that much food at some point throughout your life food has become different to you. For me it's fuel. I don't really taste much anymore. Eating is not enjoyment for me. It's a necessity. I remember the days with the Falcons that I'd wake up in the middle of the night and eat double cheeseburgers just to be able to gain weight or sustain weight throughout practice. It's a blessing and it's a curse. It's cool to be able to eat just about anything you want and not turn into the Pillsbury Doughboy for sure. But it's financially straining, and it's Hell on your gastrointestinal system. Barnes (36:33):But the other part, [crosstalk 00:36:35] the other part Bill. You lived out in the middle of nowhere in San Diego, and I know now in Texas you're out in the middle of somewhere with a compound. And everywhere you go, though, the times that I've been with you, multiple, multiple times, people just stare at you. And it's because you're this bigger than life character that really is that big. So when people see you they're thinking there's Goldberg about to get in the ring, and you have the glasses, your cool sunglasses on, you're in some loud muscle car, and you pop up and get out and go in and eat. And you can't just have your meal. Everyone's starting at you. Does that ever get just weird? Goldberg (37:12):Yeah, it's all an experience. You take the good with the bad, and I still consider that good. I'm greatly appreciative that anybody and everybody would notice me for something favorable as opposed to me being in jail or something. It's a lifelong journey that has it's ups and downs, and your privacy at the end of the day is one of those things that can be compromised at times, but that's why I'm sitting in the middle of 130 acres in the middle of nowhere, and you can't even find me on Google Maps. I'm either working or I'm not working, and I'm an extremist, and I'm from one end of the spectrum to the next. Goldberg (37:50):Every time I step out of my house into the public I have to have that mentality that you obviously treat everybody how you want to be treated. There are some freaks out there for sure, you've seen them. But it's an honorable deal. It really is. It means I guess throughout the years I've done something right. Leslie (38:12):I didn't like what you said earlier about you never did anything great. That is not true. First and foremost you had an undeniable streak. You had so many wins. What was it that kept you so focused and in the game? Goldberg (38:26):You guys know me. There were a lot of reasons that I was successful. First and foremost I was in the right place at the right time with the right ... The business was taking a turn. Hogan and those guys left the WWF, the WWE, whatever it was at the time. The WCW Turner gig was head-to-head with the pre-eminent wrestling company in the world, and I was in the right place at the right time. Hogan needed a baby face, somebody from I guess nowhere. It took a long time for me to decide to be in the wrestling business because, and you guys can understand this, you weren't in this situation but when I played in Georgia and when I played with the Falcons I would always go out in Atlanta, and those were the times. And I'd always see a number of wrestlers, and I never wanted to be associated with the certain ones that I saw all the time. It took me a long time to make that decision. Goldberg (39:30):What kept me going all the time was me having to look in the mirror and be proud of what I was doing. I'm always of the opinion that if you're going to do something you've got to do it right, period, end of story. You've got to give 1,000%. Unfortunately, in this day and time mediocrity is kind of the norm. It's accepted. But in my book I don't want to be like anybody else, I don't want to be as good as anybody else, I want to be better in every respect. What kept me going was the one thing that my dad always told me, "You're only as good as your next match." Cubby (40:10):What is your current WWE status right now at this very moment? Goldberg (40:15):I am contracted with the WWE for the next two years through 2022, '23. I've got two matches per year. I've exhausted my limit this year quite early on April the fifth with WrestleMania under these really weird circumstances. But I've got a couple other extremely interesting projects right on the cusp, but as you guys know in the entertainment business right now everything's on hold unless it's a production of 10 or under pretty much. We got a lot of cool things that people are going to find out about pretty soon. My WWE commitment is still going strong. At 53, I never would've imagined especially after making fun of Flair when he was doing it in his early 40s. Goldberg (41:08):I haven't read everything that Tyson said about his comeback, but the one thing that struck me, which was the reality. Age is just a number, and I think that we're part ... Tyson and I and I don't want to group myself with him because I'm not the athlete that he is by any stretch of the imagination, but we're of a certain generation that continues to have a lot of pride in what they do. It doesn't surprise me one bit that he's in the shape that he's in because I have the same mentality that he does. I still have to walk around and be Goldberg. And I also have a 14-year-old son that I try to train with every day who's playing his first year of football this year. It's all about setting an example in a positive way every single day and trying to be your best. Barnes (41:59):Bill, some of the guys from the WWE podcast they listened, and they sent in a question. Let's listen. This is Matt. Matt (42:06):Hi. This is Matt. I'm the creator and host of the WWE podcast, and this question is for Goldberg. If you were to pinpoint a single piece of advice that you've gotten over the years that has been the most important to your success as a pro wrestler what would that be if you were able to just pinpoint a single piece of advice, and thanks again. Goldberg (42:28):Oh man, there's a number of them that were integral, I think, in my success. But the most simplistic one is once you think you're going slow go even slower because I get really ancy when I get in the ring. And a lot of people do, and they're nervous. The one thing that always helped me being Goldberg and being different and being able to control every aspect of my performance, whether it's breathing or a turn, is taking your time. There were a number of times when I didn't do it, and I was mediocre at best. Barnes (43:08):That's good advice. It's hard to do. Goldberg (43:08):I think it is. You can apply it in everything. Barnes (43:10):Goldberg, your place in San Diego, I've not seen your Texas place yet, but you had how many garages were out there, eight? Goldberg (43:17):Man, there were ... Let's, they're 14. Barnes (43:20):14 garages. He had a gym that's bigger than any LA Fitness that I've seen with every piece of gear you can imagine. He had built his son, not a go cart track, but an off road track. It looked like a place where you would pay admission to get into to go ride a four-wheeler jumping over things. It was insane. Do you have that, have you upped yourself at your new compound in Texas? What's there? Goldberg (43:49):I don't know how to answer that question and not sound like a dick, but ... Seriously, seriously- Barnes (43:58):It's toys. Goldberg (43:59):... hey man, I worked my ass off. You guys know it. I've worked really hard. Barnes (44:04):No one doubts that. No one doubts that. Goldberg (44:06):And I live on 130 acres, and I'm about to build a 15,000 square foot garage that I'm going to put 37 cars in. Barnes (44:15):What else is there? So you're building this massive garage, and is there another track for your son? Goldberg (44:21):I put it this way ... Leslie, my wife got a zebra last week. Barnes (44:24):She got a zebra? Leslie (44:26):Like an animal zebra? Barnes (44:28):Are you going to go Tiger King on us? Goldberg (44:30):Dude, I live on 130 acres with about 20 longhorn steer, llamas, sheep, goats, deer, about four kind of deer, miniature ponies. Leslie (44:44):It's a safari out there. Cubby (44:45):Charge admission, yeah. Goldberg (44:47):My wife's into horses. Put it this way, she can have whatever kind of animal ... Inside there's a miniature deer in my kitchen right now. Barnes (44:56):What will it cost to get a picture of Goldberg on a mini-pony. Goldberg (45:01):Oh, no, that won't happen. He'll kill me. It's only like 28 inches high, but it's a knee biter. He'll blow your kneecaps out. Leslie (45:12):How does one buy a zebra? Goldberg (45:13):But here's the deal. Wanda, she was given the zebra. Three houses down they have giraffes. We live in the middle of nowhere, guys. We're on 130 acres, and I got a big pond in the back where I just hang out and fish and relax. It's our end game. My wife was an ex-stunt woman, and she put her body through hell throughout the years. We've got a 14-year-old boy that we moved out to this area of the country so he can pursue his academic and his sports love, and hopefully we can relax and retire here. But things are still going strong. One of the projects I got, unfortunately, has me living in LA for a couple days a week. Right when I find my end game I got to turn around and go right back to where I came from. Goldberg (46:08):I'm very lucky. We've all been very successful throughout the years. I thank everyone that's around me. It's just persistence. It's hard work. Like I said, I haven't been really good at anything, so I got to keep reinventing myself and trying again. Cubby (46:26):How far is the airport from your house because we're all coming over? Goldberg (46:30):There's three ways. There's a guy with a strip three miles down the road. The local airport is 12 miles down the road. And I will tell you that San Antonio is an hour away from me. If you guys flew a little private you could get in really close, or if you parachuted in- Barnes (46:53):We're coming. Get the Gulfstream. Goldberg (46:53):... I got a great landing pad over here. Leslie (46:55):Hey, we haven't talked about Goldberg the actor. You've been in a lot of movies, TV shows from The Goldbergs to NCIS LA. Any acting gigs coming up? Goldberg (47:05):Yup. That's one of the ones that that's why the LA commitment. It's a spin-off from NCIS, and myself and an unnamed superstar are starring in it. It's kind of like a modern day A-Team kind of gimmick. It's going to be really awesome. It's something I've wanted to be for a very long time. It's a fun project. It's going to have to be fun to get me to leave where I am right now. Barnes (47:33):That's going to be awesome. [crosstalk 00:47:35] You can't give us a hint who the other guy is? Goldberg (47:37):Absolutely not, I wouldn't, not yet. Barnes (47:40):That sounds fun. Congratulations, Goldberg. Leslie (47:42):That's amazing. Barnes (47:43):You're just killing it, man. And for you to do a role like you do on The Goldbergs when you're putting yourself out there with funky little tight shorts and knee socks. It shows a lot of- Goldberg (47:54):I caught more hell from that, man. I'll tell you what, Bryan Callen and everybody on that cast is indicative of their characters to the nth degree. It's just a blast every time I'm there. Hey man, I'm as goofy as the next guy. I have no problem emasculating myself. My wife does it to me every day, so I'm kind of used to it. Barnes (48:21):Well thank you for coming on. It was so great to catch up with, Bill. Goldberg (48:22):Oh man, it's a true pleasure to talk to you guys again. And hopefully we can do it again soon. Everybody be safe out there. I miss you guys, and it was an honor and a privilege to be on, and have a wonderful Sunday. Barnes (48:36):Well just get that teed up for your next WWE match, Goldberg versus coronavirus, and just take of it, done, finished. Goldberg (48:44):Yeah, that would be nice. My father was an obstetrician/gynecologist so I kind of have being a doctor in my blood, but I don't think I could take that one on. Barnes (48:54):You've met your match. All right, Goldberg. Goldberg (48:57):Yes, that's for sure. You guys be well. Leslie (48:58):Thank you. Barnes (48:59):See you, bye, bye. Cubby (49:00):Thank you. Leslie (49:01):Major revelation there at the end. Another NCIS spin-off. How many is this? Barnes (49:05):Oh, I know. That is cool. But good for him. He keeps killing it. Leslie (49:08):I wonder who the other sidekick will be. That'll be fun. Barnes (49:11):Such a great guy. Such a cool dude. All right, celebrity confidential, that's our series we've had for one whole week, and that's where we just tell stories from beyond, stories from beyond the backstage door, stories from beyond the set. This week it is Leslie Fram. Cannot wait to hear this story. What is it? I don't even know what it is. Leslie (49:31):If you think about your all time favorite TV shows like I think Game of Thrones might be mine, and then I don't know, Breaking Bad, but Dexter is definitely in the top five. Barnes (49:39):Oh yeah. I never got into that, but everyone loved it. Leslie (49:42):It was incredible if you ever want to go back and binge on it. But Michael C. Hall obviously his claim to fame was Dexter and Six Feet Under. When I was working in New York at a rock station called WRXP we had Michael C. Hall in for an interview. This was at the height of Dexter, season five finale, 2010? Yeah, 2010. We didn't know what to expect, but we made the room that we did the interview in a kill room. Did you ever watch any of Dexter, Cubby? Cubby (50:13):I did not. I'm sorry. Leslie (50:14):The kill room where he would kill people in Dexter was all plastic and garbage, like the whole room. He would cover all the walls. So we covered all the walls to make it a kill room, of course not knowing what to expect. We're kind of nervous not knowing is he going to be pissed about this, are his handlers going to be upset. No, he- Barnes (50:34):So like blood everywhere. You had just plastic up. Leslie (50:36):No, just the whole plastic everywhere just like he would for a kill room in Dexter. So he walks into the radio station by himself kind of wandering the halls and we find him. Super cool guy, and we're like, "Oh god, what is he going to thing? What's he going to think?" He walks in, he kind of looks around at the kill room, and he's like, "Nothing like a little murder to bring friends together." So he was really fun about it, very cool. We do the interview, he does a takeover, plays an hour of his favorite music. Played Bob Dylan, he played The Who, bunch of rock stuff. So that was it, great guy. Leslie (51:11):Fast forward 2013 I am going to LA to see The Who with a friend of mine. This was like the big Quadrophenia tour with everybody in the band, and I think it was at the Staples Center, and- Barnes (51:23):Who? Leslie (51:25):Who. Cubby (51:26):Who. Leslie (51:27):My friend and I ... she gets the tickets, great seats, we're going to see The Who, I'd never seen The Who before, so psyched. We're sitting there and the show starts. 10 minutes into the show we see a couple of guys kind of crowding in our space because everybody's standing. You're standing up because it's The Who. I'm like, "Guys are in our space. They keep crowding us. They keep crowding ... They're getting closer and closer. I'm getting agitated." I'm like, "Wait a second, we bought these tickets. These are our seats. These guys are like ..." I'm getting read to turn around and say something. Barnes, I know you would've said something if somebody's crowding into your space at a concert. Barnes (52:04):Well yeah just because that's your space. Leslie (52:06):That's your space. Barnes (52:06):You paid for it, yeah. Leslie (52:07):So I turn around. I'm about to say something, and I turn around, and it's Dexter. It's Michael C. Hall and this buddy of his. And I'm like, "Yeah, I was about to throw shade at Dexter." And he does, "Hey, we're really sorry. We're just really big fans. Do you guys mind?" And we're like, "Oh no, of course not. You can hang with us." So we end up watching the show with Dexter, with Michael C. Hall and his buddy for the whole show. Of course, I was going to let him in my space. He's Dexter. Barnes (52:34):Did he remember everything previously from three years ago? Leslie (52:37):He kind of looked and kind of acknowledged like, "Oh hey." And I was like, "Yeah hey." So obviously at that point I was very cool, and I was like, "Of course I'm going to let Michael C. Hall watch The Who with us whether we were crowded or not." Barnes (52:50):Qweef it. All right, that was a good story. Which Hall? Leslie (52:58):Michael C. Hall. Barnes (52:59):Yeah, Michael C. Hall. Cubby (52:59):Anthony Michael. Leslie (52:59):You were thinking of ... Barnes (53:03):Six Underground, Six Feet Underground, that was my Michael C. Hall. That was the show that I liked him from. I just couldn't get into Dexter. And Cubby, you're the same way. Cubby (53:10):I couldn't either, yeah. Leslie (53:12):It was really good. Cubby (53:12):I hope you still love me, Leslie. Leslie (53:13):That's okay. Barnes (53:14):I've tried it multiple times. Just never worked. Leslie (53:17):It was like eight seasons. That show was huge. Cubby (53:20):You want to talk about huge, guys, I have the ratings. Barnes (53:24):Oh, here we go. Cubby (53:26):You ready for this guys? Barnes (53:27):No. Cubby (53:28):No, you're going to love this. Barnes (53:29):This is the ratings for our show. Cubby (53:29):For our show. How many people are tuned in, and the rankings. Big news, guys, we're number five in Guatemala, but we're down one. We are down one. We were number four, we're down to number five. Barnes (53:41):Killing it. Cubby (53:42):But you know what, it's Guatemala. Barnes (53:44):Where is that? Cubby (53:45):Now, this is unbelievable. We probably should have a ratings party. We're number one in Bolivia- Leslie (53:51):Wow. Cubby (53:51):... for three weeks in a row, number one- Barnes (53:53):Yeah. Cubby (53:54):... in Bolivia. Leslie (53:54):Thank you, Bolivia. Cubby (53:55):Yup, yup, yup. This, though, is kind of sad. We have really dropped like a rock in Canada. We're currently number 2,306 in Canada. Barnes (54:08):They just don't get American humor at all. Cubby (54:11):Yeah, maybe so. By the way, finally, we were a former number one in Turkey. We are now completely out of the top 50, so bye, bye Turkey. Barnes (54:21):What are we doing wrong? Leslie (54:22):I don't know why these numbers are dropping in Canada and in Turkey. Cubby (54:25):Help. Speaker 1 (54:29):This is Cubby's Pop Culture throwback, a rewind into the vault of music, movies, and moments. Cubby (54:36):All right guys, we're going back to the year 2000. Where were you in the year 2000, Leslie? Leslie (54:40):We were just talking about that. I was at 99X playing Pet Yorn records. Cubby (54:44):Back in the year 2000 there was a lot going on on the charts, there was a lot going on in the theaters. Do you know what the number one song this week on the pop charts was? Obviously you don't off the top of your head, but let me give you a hint, it's a boy band, pop charts, boy band. Leslie (55:00):NSYNC. Cubby (55:00):Boom, Leslie Fram for the win. Speaker 23 (55:04):(Singing) Cubby (55:12):Number one song in the country 20 years ago this week, It's Gonna Be Me by NSYNC. And I thought you were going to say like the Backstreet Boys because when we say boy band there was a million of them out in the year 2000. You had O-Town, you had NSYNC, Backstreet Boys- Leslie (55:24):All huge. Cubby (55:26):... Westlife. I can go on and on. There was a lot of them out in 2000. The number one song on the Country charts 20 years ago this week. It went over to crossover everywhere. It's our girl, Lee Ann Womack. Lee Ann Womack (55:37):(singing) Cubby (55:42):Such a great song. Leslie (55:43):Really inspirational. Lee Ann Womack (55:47):(singing) Barnes (55:47):Sing, I hope you die? Leslie (55:48):Dance. Cubby (55:49):No, I hope you dance, [crosstalk 00:55:50] dummy. Lee Ann Womack (55:54):(singing) Cubby (55:54):That's a great song. Leslie (55:54):It is. Cubby (55:55):I'm sorry, I play that all the time- Leslie (55:56):Timeless. Cubby (55:56):... on the radio station I'm on here in New York. The number one song on the modern rock chart this week in the year 2000. Barnes (56:03):2000 ... Cubby (56:04):Not Jesus Jones. It's not Jesus Jones. Barnes (56:06):Blink-182. Leslie (56:07):Wait, wait, wait, give us a hint. Cubby (56:09):Okay. This was their first song, and they went on a pretty good run after this. They're from Mississippi I believe. Barnes (56:17):Oh, 3 Doors Down. Cubby (56:18):Boom. Leslie (56:19):Boom, Barnes. Cubby (56:19):3 Doors Down. Speaker 26 (56:23):(singing) Cubby (56:30):I feel like this is the only song they had that really kind of rocked. Barnes (56:32):No. Cubby (56:34):No, but all the singles were kind of like [crosstalk 00:56:36]. Barnes (56:36):Be without you, baby. Cubby (56:38):They were kind of slow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Barnes (56:40):We did a cool thing, Cubby, with them one time. We did a show from our listener's living room. Cubby (56:43):Oh really. Barnes (56:44):Yeah, we showed up with 3 Doors Down. What was that thing called, Leslie? Leslie (56:47):Home Invasion. Barnes (56:49):Home Invasion. Leslie (56:49):Remember Tommy Lee. Barnes (56:50):We could never do that. Yeah, we did Tommy Lee. Set up a drum set, Cubby, in someone's front yard, and they didn't know it was coming. Cubby (56:57):Oh, that's too cool. Barnes (56:57):And then we did the whole show at their house. So we literally at 4:00 AM we started setting up the drum set in front of this house in Atlanta. And Tommy Lee shows up in a van, the door opens, he walks up, sits down, starts twirling his sticks, and did a full on drum solo in the neighborhood. People started coming out of the doors. I wish we had video of that. But yeah, 3 Doors Down in someone's living room. Cubby (57:16):I have a quick 3 Doors Down story too. I was eating at Virgil's Barbecue in Times Square in New York. Barnes (57:21):Love. Leslie (57:21):Virgil's. Cubby (57:21):Remember Virgil's? Leslie (57:22):Yup, I've been there. Barnes (57:22):Yeah. Cubby (57:23):And I ran into some friends from Universal Records, and they were having dinner with a new band. And they're like, "Hey Cubby, we just signed them, 3 Doors Down." Had no idea who they were, and then of course they end up being huge. Leslie (57:34):Huge. Barnes (57:35):Nice guys. Cubby (57:35):That's cool when you meet ... And they'd never been in New York before, and they were all excited. Number one song on the R&B charts this week was a group called Jagged Edge, and a song called Let's Get Married. Speaker 27 (57:46):(singing) Cubby (57:49):This is a jam. I don't know if you remember this song though. Leslie (57:51):Oh yes. Speaker 27 (57:51):(singing) Cubby (57:55):The number one movie at the box office 20 years ago this week was Nutty Professor II: The Klumps. Audio (58:03):Well, Momma, funny you should say that? Denise and I have been doing some research on aging which has proven to be extremely promising. Audio (58:07):[i

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Neuroscience experts, practitioners, research and methods for making brain-friendly organizations and healthy individuals. Subscribe to Mind Your Noodles!   This is the fifth episode of the Mind Your Noodles podcast. In this episode Charles Green, author of The Trusted Advisor discusses neuroscience utility and ways to build trust in your organization.    Show Notes [00:00:06] Mind Your Noodles Podcast - Episode 5 [00:01:58] Dale Carnegie. . . Deeper [00:05:07] The Philosophy of Trust [00:06:13] Neuroscience - Does It Applies to Organizations? [00:08:29] The Argument Against [00:11:49] A Descriptive Analogy [00:40:48] Forget Neuroscience -  What Should We Do? [00:44:49] Women are Trusted More Than Men [00:46:15] Nurses Most Trusted [00:52:00] The Power of Story   Transcript Tripp: [00:00:06] Take care of The brains that take care of you. with the Mind Your Noodles podcast will keep you up to date on the latest neuroscience research and practices to keep your brain healthy. And strategies to help your organization be brain friendly.   Tripp: [00:00:27] Hi I'm Tripp Babbitt with Mind Your Noodles and our guest today is Charles H. GREEN He is an author who has written many books one which is one of my personal favorites which is the trusted advisor which I believe was written in around 2000 or so. So maybe we should just kind of start there Charles a little bit about you and you've written that looks like three books. You had a field book and then you also had a more recently the trust based selling book. But like I said the Trust Advisors is I'm sure one that's held by a lot of people whether they're in sales or consulting or really any field where you're you're having to deal with people on a daily basis. I'll let you take it from here. Yeah   Charles: [00:01:16] Well that's that's basically right. The whole three books share the common theme of trust in business. A trusted advisor you right came out 2001 that was the first trust they signed in 0 5 and The Trusted Advisor field book. I think about 2013 and the trusted advisor is kind of the one that you know I made my mark with. That's that's the core branding. Not that I check it frequently but as of this morning it was rated about number 7000 on Amazon which was compared to all millions of books it's up against Harry Potter and it's continued to have that level of popularity. So I'm I'm quite happy to have a book that's performed that well that's excellent.   Tripp: [00:01:58] It's it's well written and you know it's interesting I was looking actually on Amazon about you know different reviews people had on it and I thought some of some of the folks out there kind of gave it a good explanation at least for me. Hopefully you like it as a compliment to which is it's it's kind of a deeper Carnegie's Win Friends and Influence People.   Tripp: [00:02:22] There's a lot more to it.   Tripp: [00:02:23] There's a lot more that you can apply into settings maybe that's not a good explanation but I don't know that I thought when I read that I thought Well that's thoughtful and a few other people kind of jumped on that comment.   Charles: [00:02:38] Yeah I think it's fair and I take it as a as a compliment. I think another thing that people find when I am my people in my organization give workshops or keynote is a common takeaway from people is sort of. It's not like I didn't really know that. I guess I kind of knew that but I never put it all together in a coherent thread like that. So I don't claim novelty but I do think it's knitted together a whole bunch of very common themes so I think it's a good company. Thank you.   Tripp: [00:03:09] Yeah. And I have to say also you practice what you preach to as we exchanged e-mails over a few series of days not only did you spend time with thoughtful responses to some of the e-mails that we shared but also the way that you used a a compliment being very specific which is one of the things out of the book I thought was was you know it's just interesting how some people will that they write something but then they don't really live it. But I could tell that you really live the the books that you wrote.   Charles: [00:03:44] Well I've had 19 years to practice it and you know there is no upper limit to to perfection in an area like trusting or being trustworthy. So it's a constant struggle. But yeah over time you can get better at it.   Tripp: [00:03:59] Absolutely. One of the things I want to kind of interject in this conversation as you know we when we were exchanging e-mails you were talking about W. Edwards Deming and you know he's had different influence on people you know Pixar Bama companies Paula Marshall that make the apple pies for McDonald's and and different folks. And I was you were familiar with Deming which not everybody has but I have a tendency to be people at least my age and up I have a tendency to know who at least who Deming was. What your knowledge of that. Dr. Deming and his work.   Charles: [00:04:37] Gosh it's it's not deep and it's it's old I haven't looked into this material in years but what I'm left with is a tremendous amount of respect. He was obviously somebody who had a great idea somebody who was devoted to it somebody who was very good at explaining and had a great deal of impact. So you know I do not claim any in-depth concrete knowledge about it but you know the core message is brilliant and very well said from what I recall.   Tripp: [00:05:07] Yeah his his his last book The New Economics basically addressed looking at an organization as a system theory vague theory of variation theory knowledge and psychology. We're kind of the cornerstones of of his particular work and you know I remember when I. First read the trusted advisor was kind of a combination of things that it kind of brought back come some epistemology type things in my head. And it also brought in some of the psychology piece even though you don't really overtly mention that it seems to be some of that underpinning the writings of that book. Is that a fair assessment.   Charles: [00:05:50] Absolutely. It's very much there. And I think what we what we intended. I was one of three authors on that book and what we intended was to let those kinds of conclusions reveal themselves to the reader so rather than preaching you know here's how you should relate to your kids or your spouse. We said let's let let's let that one emerge to the reader. And it is pretty obvious. It's definitely there.   Tripp: [00:06:13] Ok. So I'm just going to kind of jump into one of the reasons that I came across you and your work again was there was a post that you made or a comment that you made it was very strong. And it's because we're covering off in this particular podcast about neuroscience and it's an application to organizations. One of the things that that you kind of addressed very directly was you didn't you don't necessarily see it that way and some of the people that I've already talked to like Dr. Zak different folks you know are bringing this into organizations and it gave me pause when I read your comment and I thought you know if this is going to be a podcast this podcasts really needs to be about perspective and you offer a different perspective on the usefulness of neuroscience philosophically as you mentioned in your in our emails and our communications back and forth but what kind of give me would set the foundation here for what it is that you see and why you. You have have some such strong feelings about it maybe and this is a few years ago. So to be to be fair this is maybe you've changed your mind or maybe you've dug in deeper I don't know. So I just you whenever somebody gives me a strong reaction and not just the reaction of Oh that that's baloney or something like that but more a thoughtful response I say you know like I said it gives me pause and I want to understand what it is that you see and to be fair to the audience as we start to look at you know neuroscience. Does it have application to organizations right.   Charles: [00:07:59] Well I mean good for you for seeking out you know different perspectives to answer a little question there and probably Doug and a little bit deeper. I think my background I got a graduate degree MBA Harvard Business School many years ago my undergraduate degree was in philosophy. As a matter of fact in my class at HP as eight hundred people only two of us had a philosophy degree and I was one of them. And so that's kind of a schizophrenic background.   Charles: [00:08:29] You know those two. And and in my career I think the value of a degree in philosophy early on in my career was somewhere between none and zero. It's just not what it was that even a mistake. In fact the more more my career progressed the more I began to see the applicability of it. And this subject is really a good example. Feel free to interrupt me here as we go through the tour Tripp. I guess basically I approach the issues of neuroscience as applied to leadership and business from the perspective of philosophy of science and that deals with things like what is an explanation. What is causality et cetera et cetera. Let me just say upfront I'm not an expert in neuroscience as we've already seen I'm not an expert in Deming but I do know a few things about business and I do know a few things about how to talk about the intersection of business psychology management leadership and all those things. And what has struck me about the subject of neuroscience applied to business it's not unique to that field.   Charles: [00:09:41] It happens when you get people who are deep into the let me call it hard science and I know that at the microscopic level physics is always sort of the paradigm of air quote you know good science there is a temptation among people who are really skilled deep in the hard sciences to want to apply the same kind of principles techniques perspectives into the quote softer areas I'm going to be using a lot of air quotes here.   Tripp: [00:10:09] Oh that's OK.   Charles: [00:10:11] And I think it leads to a couple of problems and I'll call them philosophic but they're they're very real. One of them is the notion of explanation. So for example and again I'm not deeply familiar with either Zen. Or Iraq. But I'll I'll sort of key off.   Charles: [00:10:30] Zak wrote an article in Harvard Business Review about a couple of years ago and you can see very much he says I'm going to describe how neuroscience causes certain factors in management behavior. Right there. Anybody who had training in philosophy when you see the word cause you should know red flag. I go back to David Hume and anybody with philosophy signs you can't prove causation in the sense of the word that we normally mean by proving that I would fault the editor HBR are they shouldn't it like that. You could have said what he intended. In a much cleaner way. So there's that little issue you can't really prove causation. Much more importantly though in casual language hard scientists tend to say things like well we can explain management behavior by delving into the neuroscience of it and I'll speak very broadly. You know the neuroscientists people in this case are measuring levels of oxytocin or they're doing brainwave scans and what they're saying is this explains people's behavior or management behavior or leadership behavior. So my problem lies right there. I would argue it doesn't really explain hardly anything in any useful way. And let me give a humble example.   Charles: [00:11:49] If I were in the room with you Tripp I would put my right hand out in front of me six inches above the table top with my fingers lightly flexed and raised my hand by one foot. So it's a foot and a half off the table. Now let me suggest there is an infinite number of ways to describe what I just did. You could say I raised my hand you could say I was acting out the toast that I gave as best man at a recent wedding. You could say I was flexing the muscles. You could say that my brain was sending certain signals via complicated biochemistry that then triggered certain muscles and so forth and sort you could say I was giving a signal. There's an infinite number of ways to describe what I just did. And it's not that one of them is more accurate or more right or more truthful it depends on the situation. If I actually were at a wedding and what I did was you know raised my hand with a glass in it in a toast. That's what you'd want to say. You know Charlie toasted the group.   Charles: [00:12:53] It's useless to describe what I just did in biochemical terms and yet I think people well schooled in the hard sciences tend to believe well the more deep we can get into the physical explanations of the better the explanation. There is a name for that is called the reductionist problem in philosophy and it's the belief that always the deeper you can get the better the explanation is.   Charles: [00:13:17] Well that makes a lot of sense in chemistry. I makes a lot of sense in physics. You know it's when I when I grew up you know the ultimate source of reality where atoms which could be broken into neutrons protons and electrons didn't know anything more you know. Science has advanced since then. Science advanced past Newton and we would now say the ultimate reality is not explained by Newtonian physics you got to get into quantum mechanics and so forth and so the fact in the daily world that's useless. And you know if I swing a bat and hit a ball Newton is just fine to describe that. If I walk into the pathway of a street I'm likely hit by a car and Newtonian physics is perfectly adequate to describe that. So it's only in certain settings where we're very careful if we want to talk about the nature of ultimate reality in the universe it's very appropriate to bring in all these other perspectives and to bring it back home here. If you're going to talk about things in management leadership and business things like recognizing excellence giving people discretion sharing information building relationships these are all sub topics that Zak wrote about in his HP article I would argue that the choice of the neuro chemical language to describe that is pretty much useless. We don't need neuroscience to talk about the notion of leadership or motivation. In fact it's it's it's beside the point it's distracting.   Charles: [00:14:48] So to me defaulting to that micro level of explanation for all explanations is a fairly low level of explaining our sorry. Description is a fairly low level of explanation and description by reducing things to the lowest physical common denominator becomes really useless and useless.   Charles: [00:15:08] So that's the essence of my concern with it we're using one language to describe phenomena which are frankly practically speaking far better described in other languages. So it's akin to saying well should this concept be better expressed in German or in French. Well when you're talking about leadership it doesn't matter. There's certain area. That might be very important but most management and leadership subjects I suggest are very well dealt with with fairly much common language and not by default to some supposedly superior notion of biochemical language. So let me stop there and see if that makes sense.   Tripp: [00:15:46] Yeah. No i i i falling as best I can. I did it not I don't have a philosophy of real depth as far as that.   Tripp: [00:15:55] I've read some of the stuff that Dr. Deming read you know where as he was going along and getting associated with the pistol melody portion of it but there's a few things that you I wrote down as as you were talking in the first one was this this kid the concept of causation versus correlation you didn't mention correlation but just just to mention it you know just because more murders in the summer doesn't mean that summer causes murders you know type of thing.   Charles: [00:16:22] Yeah correct.   Tripp: [00:16:24] And so there's a difficulty which kind of leads me to the second thing I wrote down which is anytime we're doing dealing with science we're in essence and Dr. Deming used something called PDSA which is plan do study act. We know that we're kind of in a scientific setting and just because we have one instance of something happening doesn't prove anything forever. It just means in that circumstance and that's kind of when as you were talking about you know the hand above the table I'm sitting there thinking OK you know from a scientific standpoint we can't draw conclusions about things based off of even multiple experiment experiments of metaphor. One of Dr. Deming is famous saving sayings was no theory has ever proven.   Charles: [00:17:09] Right. So it's he's philosophically exactly correct.   Tripp: [00:17:13] Okay. Okay. And so you know from that standpoint I gather that you know and I and I as I hear you talk and I'm kind of putting the pieces together and there is a third thing that you mentioned in there and I kind of remind me of you know Frederick Taylor versus what Deming taught. So you've got kind of this Taylor mystic thinking during the Industrial Revolution about you know pound whatever you can out of people pay Papa those types of things and Dr. Deming came in and redid all that and now actually was that kind of same transformation from Newtonian you know thinking to quantum physics. I mean it was a whole new level of of thinking and I guess where I get kind of stuck you know as I hear you talk and you say I have some of that logic associated with it. And again probably not the depth you have  I know I don't.   Charles: [00:18:08] Believe me I've forgotten 90 OK.   Tripp: [00:18:10] I'm still working on the two percent you that you know. So the.   Tripp: [00:18:16] But logically there are certain things that I as a read them kind of makes sense and I don't know if it's a familiarity thing or what it might be. But for instance when Dr. Zak talks about the fact that you know you raise as you become an executive you know you raise up through all the levels and you get this power and the testosterone starts kicking in. And in essence you lose empathy. I find that useful from a scientific standpoint does it apply to everyone. Probably not. But. But is it something that would be useful for people to know. I think so and I've and I've heard others that are in kind of the neuroscience field kind of support kind of what Zak's saying. So you know I'm hearing that. So are you countering that type of thing or is it is it something else that that you're you're taking from an argument perspective from an art.   Charles: [00:19:15] It is something else. I don't disagree with that finding. OK. And sort of empirically obvious to me as a manage. Kids huh. But you know hey more more proof. What the heck. That's that's fine. What I'm here arguing about is an example I'm looking at Dr. Zak's article in front of me just to refresh my memory. And he in this article in Harvard Business Review he says quote I identified eight management behaviors that foster trust. These behaviors are measurable and can be managed to improve performance. Close quote. And those eight behaviors are. He calls them behaviors no one recognize excellence. Number two induce quote challenge threats unquote. Number three give people discretion in how they do their work. Number four enabled job crafting. Number five. Share information broadly. Number six intentionally build relationships. Number seven facilitate whole person growth. Number eight show vulnerability. Now those are all you know we understand in plain English we understand what those mean and what he's done what he says he's done in his research. Remind me to come back and comment on the research. OK. But what he what he suggested is that. They've been able to measure different levels of oxytocin in association with these kinds of phenomena. I have no problem with that whatsoever. I'm just saying. Who needs that to talk about. Give people discretion you know share information broadly intentionally build relationships and be vulnerable.   Charles: [00:20:44] Poets have said as much every management consultant I know would say as much people 30 40 50 years ago who were very well respected in business sent as much without any need for any benefit from oxytocin or or neuroscience.   Charles: [00:21:01] What I'm arguing about is the utility the value brought to this set of observations by the field of neuroscience it seems to me pretty minimal. It's like I knew this. This is second grade stuff. Not that it's not important. Believe me. I mean he's absolutely right and picking on these issues for example show vulnerability. That's huge. And in the work that I do and trust that's one of the leading things. My question is why did I need to know that proven through some biochemical study. I don't. And not only that it's it's worse if you actually bring it in demand. What do you do with that observation to say you know chemicals are associated with a certain vulnerability. It's akin to in my experience when some people say well can you make money with trust. You know how do I know it's going to be profitable. Never mind wonder. That's the wrong way to talk about trust. People who ask that question frankly are not going to be persuaded by however much data you could throw at it anyway. And I think the same is true here. If if somebody is questioning why should I be vulnerable citing the evidence of oxytocin levels is very unlikely to convince them. So what's the use of it. If you're a professional advisor a management consultant a financial advisor it's just not a very powerful argument. You know more powerful arguments are well so and so over here in out or think about the Oracle of Omaha you know. Here's what he did. Storytelling is more useful. Drawing on analogies is more useful surveys are more useful way down the list it is let me describe the chemical reaction that happens in people's heads when this issue comes up. So it's really an argument about utility and role and relevance.   Tripp: [00:22:46] When you say utility I think application is that.   Charles: [00:22:49] Yes.   Tripp: [00:22:49] OK. So. So in essence it's kind of like it's not showing us really anything new it may be showing us that the science says that it's something that that's there but it's not telling us anything that we didn't already know.   Charles: [00:23:06] Yes OK in a nutshell that's it. OK. Telling us anything we didn't already know. And furthermore it's not particularly useful in explaining things that even the people know. Okay. So yeah.   Tripp: [00:23:18] Okay. Yeah. I you know I sit there and as I reflect on you say I'm Deming's thinking and I'm trying to pull together some of the or you know theory of knowledge piece or philosophy piece with the only psychology piece which which you do definitely write to you don't see that neuroscience as an advancement on the psychology piece or giving us key insights about how people behave and why they behave that way.   Charles: [00:23:52] That's correct. And it is nothing to do with truth. I mean a description of a phenomenon like me raising my hand a biochemical description of that is 100 percent as accurate as a poetic description or a an argument from me understanding something in context. It's not a question of right or wrong. It is a question of relevance and impact and power.   Tripp: [00:24:13] Okay. All right. So I did so and I'm just going to kind of kind of go back through things because you're giving me a different way of looking at things this way. As your as your email did there.   Tripp: [00:24:25] There's also a gentleman by the name of Orin Clark. I don't know if you're familiar with him. He wrote a book called Pitch Anything.   Tripp: [00:24:33] So he's a guy who's a who is basically in the world of getting money for ventures basically. Right. So might be for movies some might be for business. It could be anything but he is basically that that's his common role and when it thinks he discovered and he was one of kind of first turned me on to all this is you know here are the reasons and there's a lot of it could be an interesting read for you. I'd be curious does that. Oh I don't get. Yeah. What what you're thinking is I. But he kind of pulled in you know the three parts of the brain. He talks about the crocodile brain the bad brain the neocortex and. And that when you're when you first meet somebody you know it's kind of like a fight or flight thing like that first e-mail I say to you you know do I want to write you know what I want to take this on or do I want to you know which. Which way do you want to go and how do I present. I think a lot of the strategies they had in the Trusted Advisor help mitigate some of those issues associated with that because the whole thing is about the things you've already talked about authenticity and those types of things. But he in essence took that process of pitching you know for money and different things and took parts of what I hope. I don't know that he would even say it was neuroscience but but things he learned from Malcolm Gladwell and folks like that.   Tripp: [00:25:57] And he started to say hey there's something here. When we pitch you know we need to be aware that for. For instance he talks about a lot about being the alpha versus the beta. That you get into what's called a beta trap meaning you have low status associated with it with where you are and you don't want to be there. You know how can you set up a situation where you're you don't have you know low status. So I see a lot of the strategies and maybe that's the wrong word to use that you talk about in the trusted advisor that kind of parallels some of things that that he's talking about in there but he's using the neuroscience or my words not his to kind of explain you know what's happening in the brain and why you need to be presented in a different way. And so I found that useful from my perspective because it's kind of like OK people are taking something and that's what made me start to dig deeper into this I'm reading every book I can find on neuroscience now just to you know what are people concluding. And you know interesting as I shared with you Dr. Zak and you know David Rock apparently at odds with each other. So I'm not sure of why but yeah.   Tripp: [00:27:12] So so there's I almost feel like we're in this world and where we got these kind of rough rocks if you will and they're all bouncing against each other and eventually all kind of smooth out into something and maybe it won't be. Maybe the path that you say you were not really learning thing we're new we're getting more reinforcement about kind of what we already knew anyway from interactions with people and in organizations.   Charles: [00:27:38] Yeah. Well again the I I was not aware of the conflict between Zak and David Rock. I'd be curious to find out what that is.   Charles: [00:27:48] But I'll bet you 9 to one. They both are in agreement or disagreement with what I'm talking about.   Tripp: [00:27:54] Yeah. But but again as I told you my my main thing is when people offer a perspective and you're obviously a just pick created and someone who's a een applying this for a long period time this person's got some something to say. And again that's why I wanted to have you on. You're very thoughtful in your in your approach to things and and you know I think people should hear. But you know what you have to say.   Charles: [00:28:18] I think you know just to stay on a little piece that you mentioned there you're really talking about persuasion and influence. Anybody who's interested in that. I find the most persuasive person in that area is Robert Cialdini who writes with I mean he's he's got legitimate scientific background but he writes more in the terms of pop psychology. Mm hmm. So he is first book called influence the science of persuasion lists. I think it's seven different factors that lead to human influence and some of them are pretty well-known. They're like act now supply limited or all your friends are doing it. It's telling to me and what I've taken from him and exploring the notion of trust. The first factor that he mentions and in his later life I see him mentioning more and more doesn't sound like that at all. It's the notion of reciprocity as in if I do X for you you will respond in like terms. It goes back to fight or flight. If I approach somebody in a friendly manner it improves the odds that they will react that way if I approach somebody in a an antagonistic fearful manner. You know you get back what you put out. And in fairness to Zak he actually mentioned his reciprocity yes at the front of his article as well he should. I think he's absolutely correct about that. The question I'm raising is having raised that which is the more powerful way to get that notion across to people in my own work. And again I spent 20 years in management consulting and another 20 doing this trust work. I have found it's far more important. For example are far more useful if I'm in front of a room and I'm trying to explain this notion of reciprocity a walk off the podium walk into the audience go up to some person smile at them lean over and extend my right hand in a gesture that we all know was a handshake.   Charles: [00:30:10] Well guess what. Every single time you do that that other person is going to reciprocate and they're going to shake my hand. Why. Because then it's just hard wired into the human psyche. I mean you can make a very good book on that ninety nine point nine times out of 100 that's going happen. You reciprocate now and so Zak and I agree on that. My question is who's more persuasive in standing in front of a room and explaining saying here's what's happened to the neurochemistry in your brain when I extend my hand. Or me saying let's look at a few examples. When you go into a sale and you do X or you do Y or when you're making a political speech do X or Y and when you look at this historical story that we all know from from literature what's going on here X or Y. Those are persuasive practical ways of getting a point across to human beings. And while there is nothing untruthful you can describe human beings one hundred percent in mechanical chemical ways. But depending on what you're trying to do that explanation is next to useless or it's terribly important. I mean let me be clear if we're trying to develop medicines pharmacological solutions understanding ways to improve brain surgery understanding certain psychological therapies I think the neuroscience stuff is critical. It's cutting edge. It's great. We should celebrate it and get more of it. But when you apply it to some of these other areas of inner human interactions you know and the utility is way down the list compared to things like storytelling examples engagement and so forth.   Tripp: [00:31:43] Okay. Yeah. And actually that's one of the things in pitch anything with a working class a part of the pitch is as a story to in order to ticket people's brains engage.   Tripp: [00:31:54] But I've got one thing I was gonna mention is I didn't actually read Robert's holding his Pre suasion book. I've not read the older and I have it the psychology influence of persuasion. There's a lot of great stuff in there.   Charles: [00:32:06] Oh definitely.   Tripp: [00:32:07] It's a very useful you know type type of book. There's another book I'd be curious on your thoughts about so called Decisive. And again it it it's written by Chip Heath. Oh yeah. And he talks about the fact that you know things like when you're going to make a decision.   Tripp: [00:32:30] People kind of narrow their focus in this kind of backs up some of the things Malcolm Gladwell talks about too as well especially if there's pressure on you. You have a tendency to narrow your focus and and by virtue of the fact that that your focus has narrowed narrowed that becomes kind of an either or type of condition when you're looking at making decisions as opposed to looking at multiple options. And he also then this into confirmation bias and you know he talks about you know things of that sort.   Tripp: [00:33:00] And and to me it starts to crossover and I think you know the fact I guess I guess this is what I kind of what I've concluded especially after going through some of Oren Klaff stuff. And even Danish stuff is you know the story has to be compelling. And one of the things his psychology seems to be old news and forget about philosophy philosophy is like all right.   Tripp: [00:33:28] Since the beginning a man right. You know associated with it and that's not to discount its importance in understanding although I have to say some of the philosophy books you know that are written are seem to be written for each other as far as philosophers go.   Tripp: [00:33:43] I mean I guess I can't get anything out of it.   Charles: [00:33:45] So right yes.   Tripp: [00:33:47] So it becomes very difficult and even Deming when he read Mind and the World Order you know he's he basically said started Chapter 7 and 8 it's that because there is the with. Yeah.   Tripp: [00:34:00] So because it's a little bit difficult to get something out of it I think people today and you know they're looking for that fresh thing and Oren Klaff really hits this hard.   Tripp: [00:34:12] I think even Sodini hits it hits it pretty hard is it has to be that that the newness of something gets people's attention.   Tripp: [00:34:20] And even if it's kind of the maybe not the right thing that they're looking for answers associated with Why is this happening and they're looking for fresh work even if it only supports what's actually already known right.   Tripp: [00:34:35] It hesitancy then to get people's attention.   Charles: [00:34:37] And I think that you know part of why the field of sales will never fall short. Everybody's looking for the newest band you know is like a breath short kind of reason going to be first in line. I mean what you just Yeah right is. I would call that kind of a universal attribute of people were looking for the newest shiny object.   Tripp: [00:34:55] Yeah. So it's in our nature you know like like say you like you like putting out your hand. Most people are gonna know that that's that's for a handshake.   Tripp: [00:35:03] It's kind of the same thing and so I'd say you know from one perspective because I've read you know and I've got many many more books so they want to read that you know associated with the subject neuroscience it's new. And people are saying what can I glean from this and maybe what they glean from it is the old lessons that we learned in philosophy that were then again really reinforced by psych. What did we learn anything really new there or was it just something that we conclude. I think and I don't I think it's too early to know whether neuroscience is going to have any any offering you know associated with that it's just there's too many I know for you kind of the podcast I don't know I think.   Charles: [00:35:45] I think that you know what we just said about newness and the attraction and the ability to let people discover new that's true. I don't think that's going to happen in this area. OK. I just by its nature I mean you know applying neuroscience to management and leadership is based on hope the thought the idea that if you can describe things in chemical terms it's going to lead to something you know terribly useful. I just don't see that happening much at all.   Tripp: [00:36:17] And I don't know how much of a play you know does it offer anything actually new I think is kind of where you go through its new science but does it offer anything new for the perspective that. But but if that's kind of a key that will help people.   Charles: [00:36:36] It's not it's not just new. It's also useful. Yeah I get a I'm I could I could given a new. Yeah this is you know neuroscience is new and fascinating just because of that. But is this going to be a useful again. I don't see it as any different than saying Oh maybe if we translate this into Latin IT'LL BE NO IT'S LIKE IT'S NOT GONNA BE USEFUL it's the same stuff.   Tripp: [00:36:59] Mm hmm.   Charles: [00:37:00] And I think it's it's a distraction. And by the way this is the neuroscience just through neuroscience. Let me not just pick on that. I do a lot with tech companies. You know Google LinkedIn etc..   Charles: [00:37:11] And as you can imagine the people who are adept in those areas they're super deep into analytical left brain explanatory deductive logical thinking and so forth. Those people tend to discount the more conventional wisdom soft skills stuff and so on. And in some ways that you know that the passion to describe for example I get a lot of requests.   Charles: [00:37:33] How do you measure trust. And my argument is Don't even go there. You know that then the compulsion to measure something is itself reflective of not really understanding the boundaries of usefulness. You know it's like if you had a conversation with your spouse and you said you know I want our marriage to get better why don't we set a baseline. Let's agree seventy nine point one on a scale of one hundred and then let's measure every week how I'm doing on improving our marriage if any spouse that I know of is likely to say get out of here. Don't treat this that way.   Charles: [00:38:12] And so the neuroscience is just one more in in an over inclination to reductionist thinking a little bit over belief that you know we'll discover the cures to all things if we can just get the the artificial intelligence stuff right and we can just scale. I mean look at what Zuckerberg is accused of continually thinking things are going to solve all these problems by just doing more connecting more people in more ways.   Charles: [00:38:38] Meanwhile there's issues and they come from exactly that kind of thinking well.   Tripp: [00:38:43] And you will find any argument from a Deming philosophy perspective. You know he would say the most important figures are unknown and unknowable. All right. So so so there's so yeah.   Tripp: [00:38:55] So from that from that perspective I would agree but maybe we are trained to measure something that that can't be measured can we gain new insights from neuroscience and how do we conduct or maybe a structure the way that the organizations I guess is kind of the question you're. But your response to that is you know kind of a definitive no no. That we're not going to get anything from it.   Charles: [00:39:22] Well again let's let's be clear. I would give ground I'd cede ground on whether we're gonna to learn something new and that's OK we'll say we're going to learn something new meaning in this case a different way of describing phenomena.   Charles: [00:39:33] The practical utility of that is really more of what I'm getting at. Yes. So if you can I would argue that about half of what we call trust. You can definitely measure about half a foot falls into the unmeasurable but even in the measurable. What do you do with the fact that you're going to measure it the default business response is let collect data on it. Let's break it down to the most discrete component that we can. Let's set goals and let's reward people for achieving those goals. Now if you're talking about something like reliability or credibility and you can you can somewhat do that. You can track people's performance against promises that's useful. But if you try to track people on are you achieving better vulnerability or even worse yet. are you benevolent beneficent towards your clients. Do you have your clients best interests at heart. Well if you start measuring how people have their client's best interests at heart and you start rewarding. For doing it you've just ruined everything. How do you reward people for being unselfish. It's self-contradictory. It causes people to mistake the measurement for the thing that it is supposed to be measuring and to behave in perverse ways. So I think that the ultimate question really is is it useful. And I guess that's my concern. It's not terribly useful.   Tripp: [00:40:48] So let me ask you this then Charles as far as what would be useful what's put us put neuroscience to the side here for a minute if we're to advance the thinking that's going on you know from a management perspective where would our time be best spent.   Charles: [00:41:07] Right. Well that's a great question. And let me answer it within the narrow purview of trust which is what I've focused on for 19 years now. It's a great example because trust also suffers from a lot of vagueness and lack of lack of definition.   Charles: [00:41:26] You've seen it all. All your listeners have seen hundreds of examples of headlines as saying new study shows trust in banking is down. Let's just take that kind of thing. Trust in banking is down and we all go out. I believe the study. I believe the statistical accuracy and relevance of whatever came up with. But what does that mean. It could mean one of at least two things it could mean that financial institutions like banks have become less trustworthy. You know just look at the news on Wells Fargo and. Or alternatively it could mean something very different which is that people over time and become less inclined to trust banks. That's a very different thing.   Charles: [00:42:03] The first one is a violation of trustworthiness and norms on the part of it would be trusted organization like a bank and they're in the right responses to that regulatory using the laws to prosecute hiring firing people and so forth. On the other hand if the problem is people become less inclined to trust banks that's a PR problem. That's a communications problem. Very different to go slightly analogous to that. The staff will tell you that in the United States in the last 20 years violent crime has gone down. That's a factual statement reduction in violent crime. At the same time fear of violent crime has gone up. So that's a case where it's the perception that the problem not not the crime itself. And if all you're doing is saying you know if you're a violent you know you're violent crime is up. Oh my gosh. That doesn't tell you.   Charles: [00:43:00] And I think it's like that in trust. So here's my answer you break it down it's practically humanly meaningful components and there are two there's a trustor and a trustee and the result of those two interacting is trust or lack of trust. The characteristics of a trust door to the person who initiates the trust interaction and they're taking a risk. That's the essence of of trusting the person who is trusted or wants to be trust dead is we call them trustworthy or not trustworthy. And the result of their interactions becomes a certain level of trust. So trust is a noun properly belongs to the result of the interactions. Trust is a verb properly refers to the person taking the risk and trustworthiness an adjective properly refers to those who would be trusted. Now you can actually do something. You know my little book The Trusted Advisor I think part of what made it popular was we had a simple for factor equation for describing trustworthiness. And most of our audience likes equations you know and that's their language. And we initially intended it just as a conceptual model for anybody interested it's credibility plus reliability plus intimacy all divided by self orientation. Two of those factors are kind of measurable and behavioral namely credibility reliability and the other to intimacy and low self orientation are much more interior psychological you know quote soft unquote kinds of things. It happens by the way that we have about eight years after we wrote the book it suddenly dawned on me Hey this a book a great many great self-assessment tool. So we pulled five questions together for each of those four factors. Five comes forward is 20.   Charles: [00:44:49] I don't know why I thought 20 was a good number and just seemed to forget and we put it up on the web and wait for the crowds to roll in. Well they trickled in but we've now had over a hundred thousand people take it and we can draw a couple of very clear and very interesting conclusions. I named two of them. Number one women score as more trustworthy than men. Not only that but almost all the outperformance of women on this score is due to their performance on one of those four variables. It's not credibility it's not reliability. It's not self orientation. It is intimacy. And by the way. If you sort of step back and say what would you guess. That's exactly what you guess. In fact I've given a talk about that Dana. Roughly 300 times and two hundred and ninety seven. Literally only three exceptions over the years I've been doing this. Which is about 1 percent only with only three exceptions. When I asked the group the crowd what do you think. They said women comments. And that's right up there with handshakes. Women I mean people say probably women and then asked the Guess Which factor. They're also pretty good at guessing intimacy. Now one more data point. There are lists surveys done by other you know by survey professionals Pew. Gallup Yankelovich who asked most and least trusted professions over the years and across different countries and very consistent results at the bottom of the list.   Charles: [00:46:15] You can guess politicians lawyers used car salesmen top of the list. People have a harder time guessing it's not lawyers it's not doctrines it's not teachers it is nurses nurses with with one exception in the past 20 years and then exception with the year 2002 where firemen were number one. That was the year after 9/11. Unsurprising but with every. And then the next year I went back to nurses. Nursing is an eighty nine percent female profession and if you had to pick one of those four attributes as defining the nature of successful nursing whether it's a male nurse or female nurse it's probably intimacy you know the job of a nurse is to make you feel completely comfortable sharing saying anything you know we are literally and figuratively naked in front of nurses. So it turns out when we ran a regression equation on the data that we had collected you know which of those four factors really is the most powerful describing trustworthiness it's intimacy and we you know we basically define intimacy as the ability to make other people feel secure and comfortable sharing things with you. Now is that is that scientific. Oh it's just the model that we came up with to heuristic we describe. you know what's going on.   Charles: [00:47:29] I don't argue that that has any more physical reality relevance than any other model. It just seemed to work pretty well and I still think it does. It's a common sensical definition and for what it's worth that's what the data show. And that also seems to get pretty general common sense affirmation. So what do you do with all that. That one's pretty clear. I can tell you what to do if you're an accounting firm if you're a law firm. If you're a tech support in a tech company you almost certainly need to get better at your intimacy skills. But what does that mean. That means having conversations in a certain way. It means having a certain amount of personal courage to bring up difficult subjects and to lead with it. It requires a little bit of internal development like you know get over your fight or flight take the risk of not all that bad. That's the kind of stuff you can do something with as opposed to 90 percent of what's out there on the subject of trust which is at the level of trust in banking is down or you know trust in Bolivia is slightly lower than Uruguay. Not that there's anything wrong with those descriptions but I don't think they give you a practical notion and that's kind of the same. The flip side of the argument I was having in neuroscience. What do you do with that right.   Tripp: [00:48:42] Well you know if it's history and probably so it can start to win this down a little bit. But you know in our emails back and forth you mentioned Alfie Kohn. Yeah. And you know so this gets into Debbie Deming philosophy with the four things you talked about earlier. Systems thinking theory variation theory knowledge and psychology and and one of the things that we find over and over again in organizations. No I can't say we did any at a depth of study but you know Dr. Deming worked with a number of and I've worked with many companies over the years is that reward systems drive wrong behavior.   Tripp: [00:49:20] Yes they do have an influence on an individual but right within the organization they will drive the wrong behaviors associated with it. So you know one of the things that that's coming from the neuroscience side is more what I would leverage to help support that thinking.   Tripp: [00:49:40] And that's that's kind of where I grasp on to it I think you know from a Deming perspective is you seen this stuff in there and then basically saying Yeah it does drive that. So in essence the wrong behavior. And here are the things and fundamentally you're right. I mean if I if I if I sat back and I looked at it it's not anything that people haven't written before but the fact that it is kind of new research that it gets people's attention to be able to say geez if if psychology is telling me that and philosophy is telling me that and systems thinking and telling me that in neuroscience maybe I shouldn't be doing that.   Tripp: [00:50:19] And yet even with Dan Pink's you know presentations Alfie come before him with you know can't. Contests and Punished by Rewards to books that really.   Charles: [00:50:29] Great books.   [00:50:30] Yeah. That that he wrote back in the Deming days right. Oh. When Deming was around. They still stand. And they science still stands but people just seem to ignore it. So.   [00:50:42] What does that tell you.   [00:50:43] It's in the culture. Like you said it's the handshake. You know everybody knows that it works. It does work. Nobody can refute the fact that rewards don't work. But it's how they're used and when they're used you know and associated with that. And you know Dr. Zak is a little bit familiar with Deming. So he I get a little concerned when I first started reading this book because he was with you like everybody else that I've written about neuroscience had kind of gotten into this. How do we make better a performance appraisals which is another thing. Deming railed against. Well. The answer is you don't do performance appraisals.   Charles: [00:51:17] Right.   Tripp: [00:51:17] I can give feedback without doing that. And you know so whether it's the reward systems or the performance appraisals some of the things that railed against all the science has pointed basically that we're we're doing this wrong and they talk about something that that compromises trust in an organization when bad behaviors are running. I've got to believe at least and maybe you have a different view on it is that were were designing systems or organizations in such a way that is self-defeating trust it just in the way that they're structured.   Charles: [00:51:58] Let me give you a quick story to that point.   Charles: [00:52:00] I was in first of all stories are very powerful because they help people come to conclusions without thinking they've been bamboozled into doing it. They want it allows them to put their own spin on it. I was standing I was giving a talk to the Top 40 or 50 so people at Accenture some years ago and before me was the CEO guy named Bill Green at the time.   Charles: [00:52:21] No no relation. And Bill Green had just finished outlining some huge reorganization for all of Accenture and somebody raised their hand and said Hey Bill have we lined up the incentives properly so that if I'm sitting in Australia get a call from our guy in Bulgaria I'm going to be incentive to do do the right thing and answer him. And Bill Green got visibly angry got up out of his chair on the stage. Any any leaned out any point and he said I never want to hear that question in this company again if there's ever any conflict between doing the right thing and the incentives. You do the right thing and we'll fix the incentives later.   Charles: [00:52:58] Now in that moment I mean it was a very impressive you know 40 people who were the leaders of Accenture got that message loud and clear in that moment. And that goes to how you actually do this stuff. You don't tweak the cheese for the rats in the maze. You do it by by leadership of living you know walking the talk all that stuff. You do it by repeatedly invoking a few principles and applying into very specific situations. So I think that the role of role modeling is particularly apt in and when it comes to trust. And my quick answer and then we're running out of time. My quick answer how you create this in an organization is don't do the incentives routine. This is higher level human stuff. What you do is you pick a few concepts a few principles and you relentlessly apply them. It doesn't have to be leaders who just have to be influential people who sign up by saying I think I know what we mean by transparency and right here this is an example.   Charles: [00:53:56] I think I know what you mean by collaboration and right here. This is what that means in this situation. So done right. There is room for tweaking and you know the various not nudges and all that kind of thing but the objective should be to create what I call a trust based organization which is an organization within which people individuals behave in trusting and trustworthy manners toward each other and towards all their stakeholders. It's not a characteristic of the organization. The key is not organization design. The key is certainly not metrics and rewards. It's creating an environment in which people behave in a trusting and trustworthy manner towards each other as individuals. And from that grows the culture and from that you can then say well this company is trusted.   Tripp: [00:54:42] Brilliant. Well said that's a that's not only a great example. But that's that's a probably a good way to conclude this although I do have one last question I ask everyone. It's when I people actually make fun of me for which is Is there anything that I fail to ask that you wish I would have. Or is there any clarification of anything that you've said to this point that that you'd like to take the opportunity to to shall offer.   Charles: [00:55:09] I'll offer one quick thing. The question you didn't ask is What's the one single thing people can do to increase trust and and actually as a simple answer we could spend another hour unpacking it. But it's basically listen and it's not listen to find the data it's not listen to verify your hypothesis. It is. As a sign of respect it functions just like the handshake. If you really listen to someone and something is very clear about this they will listen back. So if you want to be listened to if you want people to buy from me if you want people take your advice. The key is shut up and listen and allow the natural human response of reciprocating. And then they'll listen to you and everything gets better. So the key is listening.   Tripp: [00:55:49] Excellent. Very good. Well we certainly appreciate you sharing your time Charles. And like I said.   Charles: [00:55:56] My pleasure Tripp. Thank you.   Tripp: [00:55:57] Oh it's been I mean you've opened my mind quite a few things in this conversation. I'm sure you do that on a regular basis and people will appreciate that.   Tripp: [00:56:09] So thank you very much.   Charles: [00:56:11] Thank you.   Tripp: [00:56:18] Thank you for listening to the minor noodles podcast. We are currently offering a PDA titled Five surprising findings from neuroscience to help you understand your organization. Just go to Mind Your noodles. dot com forward slash five findings.   Tripp: [00:56:41] No spaces. Also if any listeners know of. companies or people applying neuroscience to their organization we are interested in talking to them. Just have them email me at Tripp to our IP. at minor noodles dot com.  

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67-year-old Bill Watson is a Noosa legend having sold ice creams and cold drinks on Noosa's main beach for the past 48 years. How's that for business longevity?! In this revealing interview, Bill takes us behind-the-scenes of a business most people would kill to own … explaining how it all started, what he's learned about people over the journey, his simple approach to customer service, and how he's embedded himself in the local community. There's loads more tips and insights just like this that will help you build that beautiful business of yours into the empire it deserves to be. Hit the PLAY button above to listen now, or subscribe free to hear the full interview. You'll also find the full interview transcription below.   A little more about today's guest, Bil Watson of Hey Bill: William ‘Hey Bill' Watson truly is a Noosa icon. With his signature red quad bike and trailers parked beside the Noosa Surf Club, Hey Bill can be found laughing and joking with the dozens of children waiting for a snow cone. Now a thriving business, Hey Bill started with nothing more than a hessian bag of oranges and a dream to live in paradise. With his car offering beachside accommodation, Hey Bill sold oranges to beachgoers at Tea Tree and Alexandria Bay throughout the summer. “There were more people there than Main Beach in those days,” he explained. Today, Hey Bill and his bevy of beauties can be found traveling between Noosa Surf Club and the river mouth offering ice-creams, drinks and snow cones. And he's done that for the past 48-years! Here's what caught my attention from my chat with Hey Bill's Bill Watson: - Be willing to diversify by constantly challenging your business model. - Focus on what you're good at and what works. - Bill's positive approach has got him through. - Standing your ground with customers is not a bad thing. They're not always right, are they?! But the marketing gold doesn't stop there, in this episode: This week's Monster Prize Draw winner is: Shelby Hohnberg from Bohemien Bucket Hats Jingle of the Week - Clean, wax and polish with Mr. Sheen Please support American Express who make this show possible: American Express Business Explorer Credit Card Let your business expenses reward you. Every year. Visit: amex.co/2GLI7i2 Join me at the Idea Exchange in Melbourne (October 17) and Sydney (November 22). If something in this episode of Australia's favourite marketing podcast peaked your interest, then let me know by leaving a comment below. May your marketing be the best marketing. For more interviews with successful business owners visit Small Business Big Marketing See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey all, I'm Bill, I love to talk about video games. I've been playing games since my mother used to take me to visit my grandmother at the bar she worked at (I know) and there was a Donkey Kong game there. From minute one I was hooked. I talk about all types of games, from retro classics to brand new hotness. I'm happy you decided to come by,Each week I take a deep dive into my favorite stories about Nintendo, from the latest indie release to rumors about Smash. If you're looking for Nintendo news look no farther. I try to wrap up the news three times a week in a show that I try to keep under 30 minutes.Sponsored By:Audible: Get a free book and directly support the stream by checking out Audible. They have thousands of books from every genre. You're definitely going to find something you like. Just head to runjumpstomp.com/audible Support Nintendo Switch CraftLinks:Patreon — This episode of SwitchCraft is brought to you by Pierre-Luc — Support SwitchCraft and my other content for as little as a dollar and get exclusive rewards at https://www.patreon.com/runjumpstompWatch the Live Show! — Switch Craft is recorded Live 3 times a week on Tuesday and Thursday at 3pm US Eastern and on Saturday at whatever time I can get to it. Tune in live at https://www.twitch.tv/runjumpstomp I've decided to shout out the chatters at the end of the show rather than the beginning, because some times people don't make it at the beginning and I still appreciate the fact that they showed up. Plus it will get us to the news stuff faster.Genres lacking on Switch - runjumpstomp@gmail.com - Gmail — Hey Bill,    One genre I think the switch is missing is Stealth games, like Metal Gear, Splinter Cell, or Thief.  I have always enjoyed games where the focus is to avoid detection, and take out enemies non-lethally.       -Warren G Akers Also, a side question. My wife and I occasionally upload songs we record to YouTube. Just a simple setup, my acoustic guitar and our voices, recorded on a phone. Lately though we have been discussing getting better equipment or software to improve the sound quality. We are on a very tight budget though. Do you have any suggestions for mics or recording/editing software? Thanks, and keep up the great work, week to week. By the way, my favorite part of your show is the little audio breaks when you throw in random game related music or sound effects. My daughter is 3, and she is well aware of Link exclaiming, "excuse me, princess!" If she is around when I listen to your podcast, she laughs and repeats it when you play that clip. Switch games - runjumpstomp@gmail.com - Gmail — Hey Bill, hope you are well. On the last episode of Switchcraft, you asked what genre of games are uncommon on the switch. I would like to see more arcade --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Tim made Aaron watch The Digimon Movie, an international classic. Aaron made Tim watch The Darjeeling Limited, directed by some guy named Wesley Anderson. We spent most of this episode talking about Tim's Dad. Hey Bill.

EA for Switch, No Monster Hunter for you, Xeodrifter Review Sponsored By:OPSeat: Head over to https://www.runjumpstomp.com/opseat to directly support the show, and get a fantastic gaming chair that can support you! I'm sitting in one right now, and its great.Support Nintendo Switch CraftLinks:This episode of SwitchCraft is brought to you by Prince David's Streams— Support SwitchCraft and my other content for as little as a dollar and get exclusive rewards at https://www.patreon.com/runjumpstomp — This episode of SwitchCraft is brought to you by Prince David's Streams— Support SwitchCraft and my other content for as little as a dollar and get exclusive rewards at https://www.patreon.com/runjumpstompSwitchcraft is recorded three times a week at 3pm US Eastern on Tuesday / Thursday and also on Saturday at whatever time the universe allows. Tune in at twitch.tv/runjumpstop — Switchcraft is recorded three times a week at 3pm US Eastern on Tuesday / Thursday and also on Saturday at whatever time the universe allows. Tune in at twitch.tv/runjumpstopEmail from John — Hey Bill kind of want to comment on upcoming MARIO Movie. I am probably the odd ball out but enjoyed both the Old MARIO movie and cartoon I even tried to get my daughter into the cartoon since it was on Netflix but to the point. I been listening to several podcast  and everybody believes Mario should not talk. I know minions are funny and that works for them. But I think that Mario and all the characters in the movie should talk. People need realize its a movie not a video game if he does not have words and only video game noises probably a bad movie what are your thoughts? I sent this thought because you are my favorite Nintendo podcast.Email from Doylesbane — Hey RJS -- You recently asked about what we would like to see in Smash when it comes out on the Switch.  Of course, I totally agree that new characters from ARMS and Splatoon need to be in there, and skins from Breath of the Wild and Odyssey are musts as well. The additional content that I would like to see in the next Smash also ties into the phenomenal success that the Switch enjoyed in its first year -- indy support.  I think that having characters and maps from Shovel Knight, Steamworld Dig, and Stardew Valley would be amazing, and it would totally be in line with the emphasis that Nintendo has placed on building good will with indy studios.  What better way to remind players and devs alike that the Switch is now a go-to destination for great indy content?  Just my $.02.  Keep up the great work! Best, DoylesbaneFIFA 18 Switch : 73k in France, EA very satisfied. | ResetE --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

A meeting I’m excited for, as well as some random things I did not learn from my friends. On this episode Russell talks about meeting with his mentor, Alex Mandossian, and the stuff he learned from him. He also talks how shampoo companies changed how much shampoo people consume. Here are 4 things you will hear on today’s episode: Why spending $1000 on a course ended up being a good thing How shampoo companies talked people into consuming more shampoo. Why Russell’s webinar for Funnel Scripts was so successful. And why Russell is going to get in trouble for teasing his friends. So listen below to hear about Russell’s mentor and to also hear him make fun of some of his friends. ---Transcript--- Hey everybody, this is Russell Brunson and welcome to Marketing In Your Car. Hey guys and gals and anybody else who’s listening to this. Hope you guys are doing awesome. We’re officially past 200, we are 201. We’re like a legit podcast now. I don’t know, now that we have 220 + episodes, there’s not a lot of podcasts that can say. Even though my podcast is not like a normal podcast. It’s more like, me hanging out in my car, hopefully some people like what I got to say. Appreciate you guys for being faithful fans and followers. And we could have never have kept doing it without you guys here. I finally after 200 episodes, I finally have a call to action at the end of the podcast as well. As you will see when this is over, there’s a call to action. I’m totally a legit podcaster now. I went from being this dude in his car driving around talking to himself, to being a legitimate podcaster all within 200 episodes. It only took 3 years. Appreciate you guys all. I’m excited for today, I’m actually going into my office right now to meet with a legend. When I got started in this business, there were a few people that were my mentors, that I looked up to. I’d say, some of the initial ones, it’s crazy it’s back 10 to 12 years ago now, guys like Armand Morin, and Alex Mandossian, and Steven Pierce, all the people that were at Armand’s old big seminars. They were my people, that’s where I learned a lot of stuff initially from. I’m excited because today, Alex Mandossian is flying into Boise, I think he flew in last night, technically, but he’s here today. We’re going to hang out, its’ going to be really fun. I look back at the stuff I learned from Alex, impactful stuff that had a huge directional changes in my business. One of the first higher ticket products that I bought was Teleseminar Secrets, which is his product teaching how to do teleseminars. I remember debating, it’s funny because now I’m always trying to convince people to buy stuff, I remember back in the day, I was making money. I think I was making 10 grand a month or so when he came out with Teleseminar Secrets, and most of my money was coming from teleseminars. I’m like, “I already know teleseminars, Do I buy this thing or do I not. It’s $1,000.” You know all the drama that we go through in our heads when we’re trying to make investments. It seems like a big deal at the time, but later you’re like, it’s $1,000, come on now. I remember Tellman Knudson was like, “Hey do you think you could learn one thing from that course to help you make an extra $1000 on one of your teleseminars?” I was like, “Yeah.” He’s like, “Then why wouldn’t you buy it.” I’m like, “that’s a good point.” I stood up from the dinner table, walked over and I bought it. That course made me a heck of a lot more than $1000. That was amazing when he had another one called Stick Strategies, which were all these ways that you could get customers to stick longer, which was amazing. He had a report I read one time on a flight and I remember I was flying somewhere and I had this report called Consumption Theory I believe. And it was talking about the importansce of consumption and I think one of the stories he talked about, I think I shared this a little while ago with you guys, it was talking about shampoo companies, PertPlus or I don’t know one of the shampoo companies and they used to have on the back of their bottle, the instructions, maybe they didn’t even have instructions, and then some smart dude added instructions that said, “Wash, rinse, repeat” and it went from people who used to shampoo their hair once a week to get the oils out, now it’s like wash them every day, to hey you should wash them multiple times per showers. Consumption. Shampoo went through the roof, and it was all about consumption theory. Getting your customers to consume that product and how important that is and how that is what can fuel everything. It’s  funny because recently that’s been a big topic in our company is consumption. How do we get our customers to consume Clickfunnels. The more people who consume Clickfunnels the better, more they’re going to stick longer the more they’re going to be all these kinds of things. My initial thoughts around consumption, what we can do and how we can do it, all came from ten years ago from a report I read on a plane from Alex Mandossian. It’s just kind of crazy, and he is actually here in the office today! I’m exciting. We’re going to be making some promo video for Clickfunnels, he’s doing a big roll out for one of his newproducts and on the back end we’re going to plug in Clickfunnels, it’s going to be really, really cool. I’m excited because I’m totally geeking out. When one of your mentors come into your office, you’re just excited no matter what. But he keeps telling me, “This time the teacher’s coming as the student. I’m coming to learn from you.” I’m like, “Dude, everything I learned I learned from you guys.” Anyway, I’m just excited. It’s going to be really fun. Hopefully some gold can come out of it. If I get some cool things I’ll share it with you guys tomorrow or tonight or some time. So that’s kind of one thing that’s happening today that will be really, really fun. I’m excited for it. A couple of other fun things, we did the Funnel Scripts webinar last week. I told you guys about that. It completely crushed it, we closed 45% people online, and it’s been selling like crazy all throughout the weekend, so today’s the last day. I’m pulling down the page today. So we’re doing a big urgency scarcity push and hopefully in the next 18 hours or so we’ll sell a lot more. That’s kind of the goal. For those of you guys whoever follow product launch stuff, there’s Jeff Walker is like the father or product launches, but he had they call it, the Walker W, if you look at the typical product launch. You look at the graph of sales, at first there’s like a spike on launch day,  and it goes down a little, usually in the middle it peaks up again, then it drops down, and the last day it peaks up again close to the first day. It looks like a big W, so it’s always called the launch w or the Walker W. Hoping to get the W, otherwise it’s just going to look like an E that tipped over or something like that. Something weird. So hopefully today sales will be close to what we did on day number one, which would be awesome. We have a bunch of other….anyway, it’s kind of funny, a lot of you guys, I talk about stuff that’s always happening, and I’ve had 5 or 6 people message me, “Dude, why didn’t we know about Funnel Scripts before it happened?” I was like, “I guess I haven’t really talked about it on the podcast.” Mostly cause Jim Edwards was doing most of the work behind the scenes on the script and everything, and I just started this week on the webinar pitch, I started on Monday. I mapped out the one thing and the three secrets, Tuesday I ran out of time, and Wednesday I put together the presentation following The Perfect Webinar Script. Which, guess what guys? It still works, in case you’re wondering. I’ve had people tell me this week, “If everyone is using it, it won’t work anymore”. I was like, “Dude, if everyone just copies my slides it won’t work anymore, but if you listen to what I’m saying,  you understand the one thing and the three secrets and how to do the stack and how to create an amazing offer, it will always work.” It’s kind of funny, when I was speaking at a Tony Robbins event in Fiji, this is probably, how many years ago now? It’s before Aiden was born, he’s five, so probably six or seven years ago. I was in Fiji speaking at a Tony Robbins event. You know he’s friends with Frank Kern and all these guys like that and they must have said something about squeeze pages and they weren’t working anymore. I remember at the event I talked about landing pages and how to get opt-in’s and how to follow up and that kind of stuff that was ground breaking for people especially seven years ago. And after I got offstage, tony came up, “Thanks, by the way, is it true that squeeze pages don’t work anymore and that soon they’re going to be non-existent?” I was like, “No.” I kind of laughed, “I don’t know which of your guru buddies told you that, but that is definitely not true. Yeah, crappy squeeze pages will always get crappy opt-ins. But great squeeze pages and great hooks and curiosity based headlines will always work, until people stop being curious they will continue to work for forever.” It kind of made me laugh. It’s kind of like when videos first came out, I’m going to get in trouble for teasing all my friends now, this is when video first kind of came out and people putting videos on landing pages and everyone was talking about it. I was at a Mastermind Meeting with Bill Glazer, and Bill gets up and shows conclusive stats that video does not out perform text copy on a landing page. He showed this stuff, and everyone in the Mastermind group was taking notes, “No videos on landing pages”, taking all these notes and stuff. And I’m like the only one looking there, from somebody who’s actually ran split tests. Looking around like, so I raised my hand, “Hey Bill, first off, no offense man, you’re not that good on video. Have you tested someone’s who’s good on video, versus copy, versus someone who’s bad on video? Cause my guess is it’s not the video doesn’t convert on landing pages, it’s your video that doesn’t convert on landing pages.” It was kind of a joke, but at the same time I was like that is the truth, my friends. Anywho, that’s what I got. I’m at the office, I got a busy day, I gotta go. I don’t what I’m going to keep rambling. I’m going to get in trouble if I keep teasing my friends. Anyway, I would not be where I am now, so as much as I tease you guys I love you all. Hope you guys got some fun today, I will report back in on what I learn from Alex over the next few hours. Appreciate you guys, have an amazing day and I’ll talk to you all again soon.