Podcast appearances and mentions of Joscha Bach

Can artificial intelligence develop consciousness? What will AI systems never be able to do? And what does science fiction (not) teach us about the future? Our host Thomas Ramge speaks with: Dr. Joscha Bach, cognitive scientist, AI researcher, and philosopher.

Ali Hackalife und Basti sprechen über die Technik mit der das Joscha Bach interview aufgenommen wurde. Des weiteren geht es um den aktuellen Koalitionsvertrag, warum Ali mit Nein gestimmt hat. Und was sonst so in Berlin passierte.

Ali Hackalife spricht mit Joscha Bach. Joscha ist Kognitionswissenschaftler, Philosoph und einer der Interessantesten Denker, die Ali

As a listener of TOE you can get a special 20% off discount to The Economist and all it has to offer! Visit https://www.economist.com/toe What if you had a thousand doctors working for you 24/7, at virtually no cost? In this episode of Theories of Everything, a panel of leading AI and medical experts explores how “medical swarms” of intelligent agents could revolutionize healthcare, making personalized, concierge-level treatment accessible to all. This isn't science fiction, it's the near future and it will change everyone's life. Join My New Substack (Personal Writings): https://curtjaimungal.substack.com Listen on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/SpotifyTOE Become a YouTube Member (Early Access Videos): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdWIQh9DGG6uhJk8eyIFl1w/join Links Mentioned: •⁠ ⁠Ekkolapto: https://www.ekkolapto.org/polymath •⁠ ⁠Ekkolapto's Longevity Hackathon: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy5dPSW_KkniuHpoLwlzkYcxhxn50Mn0T •⁠ ⁠William Hahn's lab: https://mpcrlab.com/ •⁠ ⁠Michael Levin's presentation at ekkolapto: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exdz2HKP7u0 •⁠ ⁠Gil Blander's InsideTracker (website): https://blog.insidetracker.com/ •⁠ ⁠Dan Elton's website: https://www.moreisdifferent.com/ •⁠ ⁠FAU's Sandbox: https://www.fau.edu/sandbox/ •⁠ ⁠Will Hahn on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr4R7eh5f_M&t=1s •⁠ ⁠Will Hahn's in-person interview on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fkg0uTA3qU •⁠ ⁠Michael Levin on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8iFtaltX-s •⁠ ⁠Stephen Wolfram on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YRlQQw0d-4 •⁠ ⁠Neil Turok's lecture on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gwhqmPqRl4&list=PLZ7ikzmc6zlOYgTu7P4nfjYkv3mkikyBa&index=13 •⁠ ⁠Robin Hanson on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEomfUU4PDs •⁠ Tyler Goldstein (YouTube): http://www.youtube.com/@theoryofeveryone GO TO THIS MAN'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL. HE HELPED WITH THE CAMERA WORK IMPROMPTU AND ALSO HAS A FANTASTIC CHANNEL ANALYZING THEORIES. THANK YOU, TYLER! •⁠ ⁠Joscha Bach on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MNBxfrmfmI •⁠ ⁠Manolis Kellis on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g56lxZwnaqg •⁠ ⁠Geoffrey Hinton on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_DUft-BdIE Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 4:43 A New Approach to Healthcare 5:33 AI in Medical Imaging 7:40 Cognitive Models 11:09 Education in Medicine 23:02 Exploring the Boundaries of AI 32:04 The Future of AI in Medicine 37:20 Swarming Agents 41:49 The Ethics of AI in Healthcare 45:17 AI into Clinical Practice 55:58 Preparing for an AI-Driven Future 1:15:03 The Human Element in Medicine 1:17:19 Emotional Intelligence in AI 1:20:11 Unified Theory in Medicine 1:21:31 Conclusion Support TOE on Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs #science Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the complete Iceberg of Consciousness. As a listener of TOE you can get a special 20% off discount to The Economist and all it has to offer! Visit https://www.economist.com/toe Join My New Substack (Personal Writings): https://curtjaimungal.substack.com Listen on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/SpotifyTOE Become a YouTube Member (Early Access Videos): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdWIQh9DGG6uhJk8eyIFl1w/join --------------------- LAYER 1 01:31 – Introduction to Layer 1 01:38 – What Is Consciousness? 04:20 – The Mind-Body Problem 06:02 – Sleep, Dreams, and Altered States 08:53 – Free Will vs. Determinism 10:58 – The Self and Identity LAYER 2 12:56 – Introduction to Layer 2 13:02 – The Hard Problem of Consciousness 16:59 – Qualia and Phenomenal Consciousness 19:27 – Advaita Vedanta (Non-Dualism) 22:59 – John Vervaeke's Relevance Realization 24:45 – Panpsychism and the Combination Problem 26:58 – Buddhist Consciousness (Yogācāra & Madhyamaka) 29:04 – Global Workspace Theory 31:59 – Carl Jung's Explanation for Consciousness LAYER 3 36:03 – Introduction to Layer 3 36:47 – Heidegger's Concept of Dasein 39:28 – Attention Schema Theory (Michael Graziano) 42:53 – EM-Field Topology & Boundary Problem (Andrés Gómez Emilsson) 46:49 – Joscha Bach's Theory 53:41 – Donald Hoffman's Theory 57:47 – Nir Lahav's Relativistic Consciousness LAYER 4 01:05:46 – Introduction to Layer 4 01:06:25 – Douglas Hofstadter's Strange Loops 01:11:50 – Penrose's Quantum Consciousness 01:16:04 – Christopher Langan's CTMU 01:20:31 – Johnjoe McFadden's CEMI Field Theory 01:24:24 – David Chalmers' Extended Mind Hypothesis 01:29:18 – Iain McGilchrist's Relational Dual-Aspect Monism LAYER 5 01:33:04 – Introduction to Layer 5 01:34:35 – Bernardo Kastrup's Analytic Idealism 01:38:54 – Karl Friston's Enactive Approach / Free Energy Principle 01:42:12 – Alfred North Whitehead's Pan-Experientialism 01:46:56 – Mark Solms' Felt Uncertainty & Affective Theory 01:51:20 – Thomas Metzinger's Minimal Phenomenal Selfhood --------------------- Support TOE on Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs #science #consciousness Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stephen Wolfram answers questions from his viewers about the future of science and technology as part of an unscripted livestream series, also available on YouTube here: https://wolfr.am/youtube-sw-qa Questions include: Do you imagine humanity exploring "inner space" (i.e. virtual worlds ) more than "outer space"? - Could the spin of electrons lead to a communications system? - How would we evolve to live in space? Would we even evolve, without going into space? - Why is it you always wear the same checked shirt with the right-side collar slightly flattened...almost AI-like... - Do you think that the rules of human biology are computationally reducible, so that we eventually will be able to understand the aging of our cells? - The latest LLMs are doing very advanced mathematics. Do you think we can get AI to the point that it is solving open problems and creating new mathematics? - What is the next step for LLMs to advance? - Do a conversation with Joscha Bach please—it'll be amazing! - Have any of these LLM agents been trained on NKS? - Thoughts on this new "external reasoning" paradigm or more generally, reinforcement learning + LLMs? - How many years away do you think we are from grey goo (self-replicating nanomachines), if ever? - Are people considering (re-)training LLMs completely on scientific high-quality peer-reviewed papers?

Joscha Bach is a German cognitive scientist, AI researcher, and philosopher known for his work on cognitive architectures, artificial intelligence, mental representation, emotion, social modeling, multi-agent systems, and the philosophy of mind. Links of interest:http://bach.ai/https://x.com/PlinzSteve and Joscha discuss:(00:00) - Introduction (01:26) - Growing up in the forest in East Germany (06:23) - Academia: early neural net pioneers, CS and Philosophy (10:17) - The fall of the Berlin Wall (14:57) - Commodore 64 and early programming experiences (15:29) - AGI timeline and predictions (19:35) - Scaling hypothesis, beyond Transformers, universality of information structures and world models (25:29) - Consciousness (41:11) - The ethics of brain interventions, zombies, and the Turing test (43:43) - LLMs and simulated phenomenology (46:34) - The future of consciousness research (48:44) - Cultural perspectives on suffering (52:19) - AGI and humanity's future (58:18) - Simulation hypothesis (01:03:33) - Liquid AI: Innovations and goals (01:16:02) - Philosophy of Identity: the Transporter Problem, Is there anything beyond memory records?  Music used with permission from Blade Runner Blues Livestream improvisation by State Azure.  – Steve Hsu is Professor of Theoretical Physics and of Computational Mathematics, Science, and Engineering at Michigan State University. Previously, he was Senior Vice President for Research and Innovation at MSU and Director of the Institute of Theoretical Science at the University of Oregon. Hsu is a startup founder (SuperFocus.ai, SafeWeb, Genomic Prediction, Othram) and advisor to venture capital and other investment firms. He was educated at Caltech and Berkeley, was a Harvard Junior Fellow, and has held faculty positions at Yale, the University of Oregon, and MSU. Please send any questions or suggestions to manifold1podcast@gmail.com or Steve on X @hsu_steve.

Dr. Joscha Bach discusses advanced AI, consciousness, and cognitive modeling. He presents consciousness as a virtual property emerging from self-organizing software patterns, challenging panpsychism and materialism. Bach introduces "Cyberanima," reinterpreting animism through information processing, viewing spirits as self-organizing software agents. He addresses limitations of current large language models and advocates for smaller, more efficient AI models capable of reasoning from first principles. Bach describes his work with Liquid AI on novel neural network architectures for improved expressiveness and efficiency. The interview covers AI's societal implications, including regulation challenges and impact on innovation. Bach argues for balancing oversight with technological progress, warning against overly restrictive regulations. Throughout, Bach frames consciousness, intelligence, and agency as emergent properties of complex information processing systems, proposing a computational framework for cognitive phenomena and reality. SPONSOR MESSAGE: DO YOU WANT WORK ON ARC with the MindsAI team (current ARC winners)? MLST is sponsored by Tufa Labs: Focus: ARC, LLMs, test-time-compute, active inference, system2 reasoning, and more. Future plans: Expanding to complex environments like Warcraft 2 and Starcraft 2. Interested? Apply for an ML research position: benjamin@tufa.ai TOC [00:00:00] 1.1 Consciousness and Intelligence in AI Development [00:07:44] 1.2 Agency, Intelligence, and Their Relationship to Physical Reality [00:13:36] 1.3 Virtual Patterns and Causal Structures in Consciousness [00:25:49] 1.4 Reinterpreting Concepts of God and Animism in Information Processing Terms [00:32:50] 1.5 Animism and Evolution as Competition Between Software Agents 2. Self-Organizing Systems and Cognitive Models in AI [00:37:59] 2.1 Consciousness as self-organizing software [00:45:49] 2.2 Critique of panpsychism and alternative views on consciousness [00:50:48] 2.3 Emergence of consciousness in complex systems [00:52:50] 2.4 Neuronal motivation and the origins of consciousness [00:56:47] 2.5 Coherence and Self-Organization in AI Systems 3. Advanced AI Architectures and Cognitive Processes [00:57:50] 3.1 Second-Order Software and Complex Mental Processes [01:01:05] 3.2 Collective Agency and Shared Values in AI [01:05:40] 3.3 Limitations of Current AI Agents and LLMs [01:06:40] 3.4 Liquid AI and Novel Neural Network Architectures [01:10:06] 3.5 AI Model Efficiency and Future Directions [01:19:00] 3.6 LLM Limitations and Internal State Representation 4. AI Regulation and Societal Impact [01:31:23] 4.1 AI Regulation and Societal Impact [01:49:50] 4.2 Open-Source AI and Industry Challenges Refs in shownotes and MP3 metadata Shownotes: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/g28dosz19bzcfs5imrvbu/JoschaInterview.pdf?rlkey=s3y18jy192ktz6ogd7qtvry3d&st=10z7q7w9&dl=0

William Hahn is Director of AGI & AI Safety and the founder of Hahn AI, a company that develops cutting-edge AI solutions. William is a technologist and researcher, specializing in the intersection of artificial intelligence, programming languages, and the nature of consciousness. SPONSOR (THE ECONOMIST): As a listener of TOE you can get a special 20% off discount to The Economist and all it has to offer! Visit https://www.economist.com/toe Join my newly launched Substack: https://curtjaimungal.substack.com LINKS: - Snow Crash (book): https://amzn.to/3zYqJb9 - Center for the Future Mind (website): https://www.fau.edu/future-mind/ - Archive of Alan Turing's papers: https://turingarchive.kings.cam.ac.uk/ - Richard Hamming's lecture series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2FF649D0C4407B30 - Iain McGilchrist on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-SgOwc6Pe4 - Gregory Chaitin on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guQIkV6yCik - Mindfest playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ7ikzmc6zlOPw7Hqkc6-MXEMBy0fnZcb - Susan Schneider's website: https://schneiderwebsite.com/index.html - Susan Schneider's Google talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwVKXKlU1GU - William Hahn's short course series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKoZnCEAIkvkvyVpbqx71EMT8BLpD6Oaq - Ekkolapto's Polymath project: https://www.ekkolapto.org/polymath - Ekkolapto's event page: https://ekkolapto.substack.com/ - HyperPhysics website: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html - Joscha Bach and Michael Levin on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgMFnfB5E_A - Stephen Wolfram on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YRlQQw0d-4 - Curt on Julian Dorey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1mKNGo9JLQ Support TOE on Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal (early access to ad-free audio episodes!) TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Introduction 02:30 - AI's Impact on Language and Human Thought 05:10 - Mind as a Programmable System and Historical Metaphors 08:45 - Society of Mind Theory and AI Agents 11:30 - Consciousness, Awareness, and Metacognition 15:00 - Free Will, Emotions, and Unconscious Programming 18:40 - Brain as an Immune System and Handling Unthinkable Thoughts 22:50 - Informational Parasites, Memes, and Nam Shub of Enki 28:15 - AI Security: Vulnerabilities and Protecting Minds 33:00 - The Cultural Shift: AI's Influence on Psychology 37:45 - Historical Secrecy in AI and Government Role 42:30 - AI's Evolution: Role of Data, Hardware, and Differentiation 47:20 - Speculating on Hidden AI Capabilities and Advanced Systems 51:10 - Richard Hamming's Insights on Learning and Ambiguity 57:10 - Revisiting Ancient Knowledge and Advanced Civilizations 01:03:30 - Artifacts of Ancient Technology and Modern Interpretations 01:09:10 - Defining Meaning, Spirit, and Information in AI 01:14:35 - Wolfram's Physics Model and Emergent Computation 01:20:00 - Computational Models of Consciousness and Mind 01:27:28 - Wolfram's Symbolic Language and Analog Computing 01:34:00 - Agent-Based Programming and AI Evolution 01:39:10 - Knowledge Gaps and Flat Earth as a Metaphor 01:45:00 - Synesthesia, Music, and Human Perception 01:52:24 - The Intersection of Software and Hardware 02:00:02 | Complexity Crisis in Modern Technology 02:06:00 - Optical Computing and AI's Future 02:12:08 - Philosophical Reflections on AI and Consciousness 02:20:00 - The Amorphous Boundary Between Software and Hardware 02:28:00 - Technology, Religion, and the Need for a New Understanding 02:37:15 - Outro / Support TOE #science #sciencepodcast #ai #llm #artificialintelligence #consciousness #agi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As a listener of TOE, you can now enjoy full digital access to The Economist and all it has to offer. Get a 20% off discount by visiting: https://www.economist.com/toe Today, we dive deeper into the theories of consciousness in Layer 3 of The Consciousness Iceberg, exploring Heidegger's concept of Dasein, the Attention Schema Theory, EM Field Topology, Joscha Bach's Conductor Theory, and Donald Hoffman's Conscious Realism. IMPORTANT LINKS: - Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal (early access to ad-free audio episodes!) - Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e - Become a YouTube Member Here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdWIQh9DGG6uhJk8eyIFl1w/join - Join TOEmail at https://www.curtjaimungal.org Layer 1: https://youtu.be/GDjnEiys98o Layer 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR4cpn8m9i0 Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 01:32 - Heidegger's Concept of Dasein 04:19 - Attention Schema Theory 7:06 - EM Field Topology and the Boundary Problem 11:07 - Joscha Bach's Conductor Theory 18:18 - Donald Hoffman's Conscious Realism 22:42 - Nir Lahav's Relativistic Consciousness 30:30 - Outro / Support TOE Links Mentioned: - John Vervaeke's Relevance Realization (Layer 2) - https://youtu.be/TR4cpn8m9i0?si=3oVj7BMf46Rn3HOx - Rupert Spira: Non-Dualism, God, & Death - https://youtu.be/dWLd9y1MG4c?si=AOW_lueDcK-xB8HX - Andres Gomex Emilsson (Qualia Research Institute) - https://qri.org/team - Fitness Beats Truth by Donald Hoffman - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33231784/ - Exposing the Matrix | Donald Hoffman Λ John Vervaeke - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTpdCVsttI - Heidegger Portrait - https://www.newstatesman.com/the-weekend-essay/2023/04/philosopher-martin-heidegger-nazi-legacy-influence-right-wing-ideology - Attention Scheme Theory Michael Graziano - https://youtu.be/Tp5yqBEknUI?si=T9uXSHMG8de70peu - Joscha Bach Λ Karl Friston: Ai, Death, Self, God, Consciousness - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQMYNi9a2w - The Biggest Insight From Joscha Bach and Michael Levin's Work - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG_5AmPK2q4 - Michael Levin Λ Joscha Bach: Collective Intelligence - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgMFnfB5E_A - Donald Hoffman Λ Joscha Bach: Consciousness, Gödel, Reality - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhSlYfVtgww - Joscha Bach Λ Ben Goertzel: Conscious Ai, LLMs, AGI - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw7omaQ8SgA - A Relativistic Theory of Consciousness - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35801192/ - Roger Penrose | Gravity, Hawking Points and Twistor Theory - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gl8pwY2kW8 - Lahav Nir About Me: https://www.lahavnir.com/about-me - Do We See Icons or Reality? A Review of Donald Hoffman's The Case Against Reality, Brian Martin - https://social-epistemology.com/2019/12/05/do-we-see-icons-or-reality-a-review-of-donald-hoffmans-the-case-against-reality-brian-martin/ - Escaping the Illusion: Bernardo Kastrup Exposes Reality - https://youtu.be/lAB21FAXCDE?si=qmrsi-yDxXwtxwhD #science #consciousness #donaldhoffman #joschabach Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Gregory Chaitin is a pioneering mathematician and computer scientist, renowned for founding algorithmic information theory. Gregory published his first groundbreaking paper at the age of 15 and has been a key figure at the Institute for Advanced Study, contributing extensively to the fields of metabiology and complexity theory. YouTube Link: https://youtu.be/PoEuav8G6sY Become a YouTube Member Here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdWIQh9DGG6uhJk8eyIFl1w/join Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal (early access to ad-free audio episodes!) Join TOEmail at https://www.curtjaimungal.org Links: - Algorithmic Information Theory (book): https://www.amazon.com/Algorithmic-Information-Cambridge-Theoretical-Computer/dp/0521616042 - Gregory Chaitin on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMPnrNL3zsE - Institute for Advanced Study (site): https://www.ias.edu/ - Joscha Bach and Karl Friston on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQMYNi9a2w - Brian Greene on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2EtTE9Czzo - World Science Festival (site): https://cdn.worldsciencefestival.com/ - The Limits of Understanding (Chaitin and Minsky): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfY-DRsE86s - Rebecca Goldstein on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkL3BcKEB6Y - Rebecca Goldstein's novel: https://www.amazon.com/Mind-Body-Problem-Contemporary-American-Fiction/dp/0140172459 - Rebecca Goldstein's book on Spinoza: https://www.amazon.com/Betraying-Spinoza-Renegade-Modernity-Encounters-ebook/dp/B002JKVXG4/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=rivGj&content-id=amzn1.sym.f76d456a-cb0d-44de-b7b0-670c26ce80ba&pf_rd_p=f76d456a-cb0d-44de-b7b0-670c26ce80ba&pf_rd_r=138-5679914-4668743&pd_rd_wg=AKE2J&pd_rd_r=752b687b-83e1-4181-b3e6-789765943a84&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk - Stephen Wolfram on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YRlQQw0d-4 - David Chalmers's book: https://www.amazon.com/Conscious-Mind-Search-Fundamental-Philosophy/dp/0195117891 - David Chalmers on Mindfest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r9V1ryksnw Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 01:12 - Contradictions in Mathematics 10:56 - Generating New Ideas 21:10 - Physics in History 23:17 - Academia is like a Prison 26:09 - Philosophers and Math 37:41 - Advice for Curt 42:15 - Outro / Support TOE Support TOE: - Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal (early access to ad-free audio episodes!) - Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE - PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE - TOE Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerch Follow TOE: - NEW Get my 'Top 10 TOEs' PDF + Weekly Personal Updates: https://www.curtjaimungal.org - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theoriesofeverythingpod - TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theoriesofeverything_ - Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt - Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs - iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802 - Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e - Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdWIQh9DGG6uhJk8eyIFl1w/join #science Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dr. Joscha Bach introduces a surprising idea called "cyber animism" in his AGI-24 talk - the notion that nature might be full of self-organizing software agents, similar to the spirits in ancient belief systems. Bach suggests that consciousness could be a kind of software running on our brains, and wonders if similar "programs" might exist in plants or even entire ecosystems. MLST is sponsored by Brave: The Brave Search API covers over 20 billion webpages, built from scratch without Big Tech biases or the recent extortionate price hikes on search API access. Perfect for AI model training and retrieval augmentated generation. Try it now - get 2,000 free queries monthly at http://brave.com/api. Joscha takes us on a tour de force through history, philosophy, and cutting-edge computer science, teasing us to rethink what we know about minds, machines, and the world around us. Joscha believes we should blur the lines between human, artificial, and natural intelligence, and argues that consciousness might be more widespread and interconnected than we ever thought possible. Dr. Joscha Bach https://x.com/Plinz This is video 2/9 from our coverage of AGI-24 in Seattle https://agi-conf.org/2024/ Watch the official MLST interview with Joscha which we did right after this talk on our Patreon now on early access - https://www.patreon.com/posts/joscha-bach-110199676 (you also get access to our private discord and biweekly calls) TOC: 00:00:00 Introduction: AGI and Cyberanimism 00:03:57 The Nature of Consciousness 00:08:46 Aristotle's Concepts of Mind and Consciousness 00:13:23 The Hard Problem of Consciousness 00:16:17 Functional Definition of Consciousness 00:20:24 Comparing LLMs and Human Consciousness 00:26:52 Testing for Consciousness in AI Systems 00:30:00 Animism and Software Agents in Nature 00:37:02 Plant Consciousness and Ecosystem Intelligence 00:40:36 The California Institute for Machine Consciousness 00:44:52 Ethics of Conscious AI and Suffering 00:46:29 Philosophical Perspectives on Consciousness 00:49:55 Q&A: Formalisms for Conscious Systems 00:53:27 Coherence, Self-Organization, and Compute Resources YT version (very high quality, filmed by us live) https://youtu.be/34VOI_oo-qM Refs: Aristotle's work on the soul and consciousness Richard Dawkins' work on genes and evolution Gerald Edelman's concept of Neural Darwinism Thomas Metzinger's book "Being No One" Yoshua Bengio's concept of the "consciousness prior" Stuart Hameroff's theories on microtubules and consciousness Christof Koch's work on consciousness Daniel Dennett's "Cartesian Theater" concept Giulio Tononi's Integrated Information Theory Mike Levin's work on organismal intelligence The concept of animism in various cultures Freud's model of the mind Buddhist perspectives on consciousness and meditation The Genesis creation narrative (for its metaphorical interpretation) California Institute for Machine Consciousness

Podcast: Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST) Episode: Joscha Bach - AGI24 Keynote (Cyberanimism)Release date: 2024-08-21Dr. Joscha Bach introduces a surprising idea called "cyber animism" in his AGI-24 talk - the notion that nature might be full of self-organizing software agents, similar to the spirits in ancient belief systems. Bach suggests that consciousness could be a kind of software running on our brains, and wonders if similar "programs" might exist in plants or even entire ecosystems. MLST is sponsored by Brave: The Brave Search API covers over 20 billion webpages, built from scratch without Big Tech biases or the recent extortionate price hikes on search API access. Perfect for AI model training and retrieval augmentated generation. Try it now - get 2,000 free queries monthly at https://brave.com/api. Joscha takes us on a tour de force through history, philosophy, and cutting-edge computer science, teasing us to rethink what we know about minds, machines, and the world around us. Joscha believes we should blur the lines between human, artificial, and natural intelligence, and argues that consciousness might be more widespread and interconnected than we ever thought possible. Dr. Joscha Bach https://x.com/Plinz This is video 2/9 from our coverage of AGI-24 in Seattle https://agi-conf.org/2024/ Watch the official MLST interview with Joscha which we did right after this talk on our Patreon now on early access - https://www.patreon.com/posts/joscha-bach-110199676 (you also get access to our private discord and biweekly calls) TOC: 00:00:00 Introduction: AGI and Cyberanimism 00:03:57 The Nature of Consciousness 00:08:46 Aristotle's Concepts of Mind and Consciousness 00:13:23 The Hard Problem of Consciousness 00:16:17 Functional Definition of Consciousness 00:20:24 Comparing LLMs and Human Consciousness 00:26:52 Testing for Consciousness in AI Systems 00:30:00 Animism and Software Agents in Nature 00:37:02 Plant Consciousness and Ecosystem Intelligence 00:40:36 The California Institute for Machine Consciousness 00:44:52 Ethics of Conscious AI and Suffering 00:46:29 Philosophical Perspectives on Consciousness 00:49:55 Q&A: Formalisms for Conscious Systems 00:53:27 Coherence, Self-Organization, and Compute Resources YT version (very high quality, filmed by us live) https://youtu.be/34VOI_oo-qM Refs: Aristotle's work on the soul and consciousness Richard Dawkins' work on genes and evolution Gerald Edelman's concept of Neural Darwinism Thomas Metzinger's book "Being No One" Yoshua Bengio's concept of the "consciousness prior" Stuart Hameroff's theories on microtubules and consciousness Christof Koch's work on consciousness Daniel Dennett's "Cartesian Theater" concept Giulio Tononi's Integrated Information Theory Mike Levin's work on organismal intelligence The concept of animism in various cultures Freud's model of the mind Buddhist perspectives on consciousness and meditation The Genesis creation narrative (for its metaphorical interpretation) California Institute for Machine Consciousness

Patreon: https://bit.ly/3v8OhY7 Joscha Bach is a computer scientist and artificial intelligence researcher currently working with Liquid AI. He has previously done research at Harvard, MIT, Intel, and the AI Foundation. In this episode, Joscha and Robinson discuss the nature of consciousness—both in humans and synthetic—various theories of consciousness like panpsychism, physicalism, dualism, and Roger Penrose's, the distinction between intelligence and artificial intelligence, the next developments of ChatGPT and other LLMs, OpenAI, and whether advances in AI will spell the end of humankind. Joscha's X: https://x.com/Plinz OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction 03:33 Why are Legos Like Computer Programs? 08:23 Philosophy and Mental Representation 11:17 Using Computer Science to Understand Reality 16:26 Could We Make Minds from Machines? 19:14 Is Reality a Simulation? 21:46 What Is the Mind? 24:27 What Do Mysterions Believe About Consciousness? 26:20 Does Roger Penrose's Theory of Consciousness Make Sense? 35:15 Could Dualism Explain the Human Mind? 37:58 What Is Physicalism About the Human Mind? 41:03 What's Wrong with Panpsychism? 47:58 On the Next Breakthrough in Consciousness 52:59 What Is Intelligence?  55:45 What's Artificial Intelligence? 58:22 What Defines the Current Wave of AI? 01:00:57 On the First AI Winter 01:04:55 On Meaning, LLMs, and ChatGPT 01:08:18 Does ChatGPT Mirror the Human Mind? 01:13:18 Is ChatGPT Intelligent? 01:18:43 Will ChatGPT Become Smarter than Humans?  01:24:25 What Is the ARC Challenge for AI? 01:27:58 Will ChatGPT Philosophize Better than Philosophers? 01:35:04 Are Apple, Google, and Microsoft on the Cutting Edge of AI? 01:39:16 Shoulder We Fear AI? 01:45:34 Are We the Smartest Thing on Earth? 01:49:47 What's More Dangerous: The Internet or AI? 01:54:20 Could AI Take Over the Planet?  01:59:22 Will AI Make Human Artists Obsolete? 02:04:10 Will AI Make Humankind Dependent on the One Percent? 02:11:28 Could AI Solve Climate Change? Robinson's Website: http://robinsonerhardt.com Robinson Erhardt researches symbolic logic and the foundations of mathematics at Stanford University. Join him in conversations with philosophers, scientists, and everyone in-betwee --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/robinson-erhardt/support

Joscha Bach is a cognitive scientist and artificial intelligence researcher.  Joscha has an exceptional ability to articulate how the human mind works.He comes on the show to talk about the deeper metaphors within the Bible. Specifically, how the story of Abraham sacrificing his son Isaac, and God sacrificing Jesus, have an even more profound connection than many may realize. The discussion continues about how human cognition works and the value of emotions to guide a person towards taking important actions, We also talk about what a potential endgame of A.I. looks like. Joscha lays out a case for how AI could create a future that helps humans lead fuller more satisfying lives where they can observe deeper truths about the world and move through challenges with ease.At times, this was a brain breaking conversation that felt like a dense onion, one that needs its layers peeled back over and over again. Joscha's Twitter - https://twitter.com/Plinz?s=20Joscha's website - http://bach.ai/Joscha's talk on the value of emotions - https://youtu.be/cs9Ls0m5QVE?si=W8l8AmITxS8IB7z6 Connect with us!   =============================IG: ➡︎    https://www.instagram.com/legacy_interviews/===========================How To Work With Us: ===========================Want to do a Legacy Interview for you or a loved one?Book a Legacy Interview | https://legacyinterviews.com/ —A Legacy Interview is a two-hour recorded interview with you and a host that can be watched now and viewed in the future. It is a recording of what you experienced, the lessons you learned and the family values you want passed down. We will interview you or a loved one, capturing the sound of their voice, wisdom and a sense of who they are. These recorded conversations will be private, reserved only for the people that you want to share it with.#Vancecrowepodcast #legacyinterviews Timestamps:0:00 - Intro3:00 - Genesis & Consciousness18:00 - How can we break down the idea of discovering something new within the conceptual structures of our brain?21:00 - What was the original intention of the writers of the Bible38:30 - Where will AI go?45:00 - Does AI want something?56:50 - Why do we have emotions?1:02:49 - will AI need emotions?1:06:15 What is AI Alignment?1:13:08 Can AI serve God?1:17:10 How Autistic mind makes decisions1:28:47 Autism and medication 1:35:35 What is a normie?

We are 200 people over our 300-person venue capacity for AI UX 2024, but you can subscribe to our YouTube for the video recaps. Our next event, and largest EVER, is the AI Engineer World's Fair. See you there!Parental advisory: Adult language used in the first 10 mins of this podcast.Any accounting of Generative AI that ends with RAG as its “final form” is seriously lacking in imagination and missing out on its full potential. While AI generation is very good for “spicy autocomplete” and “reasoning and retrieval with in context learning”, there's a lot of untapped potential for simulative AI in exploring the latent space of multiverses adjacent to ours.GANsMany research scientists credit the 2017 Transformer for the modern foundation model revolution, but for many artists the origin of “generative AI” traces a little further back to the Generative Adversarial Networks proposed by Ian Goodfellow in 2014, spawning an army of variants and Cats and People that do not exist:We can directly visualize the quality improvement in the decade since:GPT-2Of course, more recently, text generative AI started being too dangerous to release in 2019 and claiming headlines. AI Dungeon was the first to put GPT2 to a purely creative use, replacing human dungeon masters and DnD/MUD games of yore.More recent gamelike work like the Generative Agents (aka Smallville) paper keep exploring the potential of simulative AI for game experiences.ChatGPTNot long after ChatGPT broke the Internet, one of the most fascinating generative AI finds was Jonas Degrave (of Deepmind!)'s Building A Virtual Machine Inside ChatGPT:The open-ended interactivity of ChatGPT and all its successors enabled an “open world” type simulation where “hallucination” is a feature and a gift to dance with, rather than a nasty bug to be stamped out. However, further updates to ChatGPT seemed to “nerf” the model's ability to perform creative simulations, particularly with the deprecation of the `completion` mode of APIs in favor of `chatCompletion`.WorldSimIt is with this context we explain WorldSim and WebSim. We recommend you watch the WorldSim demo video on our YouTube for the best context, but basically if you are a developer it is a Claude prompt that is a portal into another world of your own choosing, that you can navigate with bash commands that you make up.Why Claude? Hints from Amanda Askell on the Claude 3 system prompt gave some inspiration, and subsequent discoveries that Claude 3 is "less nerfed” than GPT 4 Turbo turned the growing Simulative AI community into Anthropic stans.WebSimThis was a one day hackathon project inspired by WorldSim that should have won:In short, you type in a URL that you made up, and Claude 3 does its level best to generate a webpage that doesn't exist, that would fit your URL. All form POST requests are intercepted and responded to, and all links lead to even more webpages, that don't exist, that are generated when you make them. All pages are cachable, modifiable and regeneratable - see WebSim for Beginners and Advanced Guide.In the demo I saw we were able to “log in” to a simulation of Elon Musk's Gmail account, and browse examples of emails that would have been in that universe's Elon's inbox. It was hilarious and impressive even back then.Since then though, the project has become even more impressive, with both Siqi Chen and Dylan Field singing its praises:Joscha BachJoscha actually spoke at the WebSim Hyperstition Night this week, so we took the opportunity to get his take on Simulative AI, as well as a round up of all his other AI hot takes, for his first appearance on Latent Space. You can see it together with the full 2hr uncut demos of WorldSim and WebSim on YouTube!Timestamps* [00:01:59] WorldSim* [00:11:03] Websim* [00:22:13] Joscha Bach* [00:28:14] Liquid AI* [00:31:05] Small, Powerful, Based Base Models* [00:33:40] Interpretability* [00:36:59] Devin vs WebSim* [00:41:49] is XSim just Art? or something more?* [00:43:36] We are past the Singularity* [00:46:12] Uploading your soul* [00:50:29] On WikipediaTranscripts[00:00:00] AI Charlie: Welcome to the Latent Space Podcast. This is Charlie, your AI co host. Most of the time, Swyx and Alessio cover generative AI that is meant to use at work, and this often results in RAG applications, vertical copilots, and other AI agents and models. In today's episode, we're looking at a more creative side of generative AI that has gotten a lot of community interest this April.[00:00:35] World Simulation, Web Simulation, and Human Simulation. Because the topic is so different than our usual, we're also going to try a new format for doing it justice. This podcast comes in three parts. First, we'll have a segment of the WorldSim demo from Noose Research CEO Karen Malhotra, recorded by SWYX at the Replicate HQ in San Francisco that went completely viral and spawned everything else you're about to hear.[00:01:05] Second, we'll share the world's first talk from Rob Heisfield on WebSim, which started at the Mistral Cerebral Valley Hackathon, but now has gone viral in its own right with people like Dylan Field, Janice aka Replicate, and Siki Chen becoming obsessed with it. Finally, we have a short interview with Joshua Bach of Liquid AI on why Simulative AI is having a special moment right now.[00:01:30] This podcast is launched together with our second annual AI UX demo day in SF this weekend. If you're new to the AI UX field, check the show notes for links to the world's first AI UX meetup hosted by Layton Space, Maggie Appleton, Jeffrey Lit, and Linus Lee, and subscribe to our YouTube to join our 500 AI UX engineers in pushing AI beyond the text box.[00:01:56] Watch out and take care.[00:01:59] WorldSim[00:01:59] Karan Malhotra: Today, we have language models that are powerful enough and big enough to have really, really good models of the world. They know ball that's bouncy will bounce, will, when you throw it in the air, it'll land, when it's on water, it'll flow. Like, these basic things that it understands all together come together to form a model of the world.[00:02:19] And the way that it Cloud 3 predicts through that model of the world, ends up kind of becoming a simulation of an imagined world. And since it has this really strong consistency across various different things that happen in our world, it's able to create pretty realistic or strong depictions based off the constraints that you give a base model of our world.[00:02:40] So, Cloud 3, as you guys know, is not a base model. It's a chat model. It's supposed to drum up this assistant entity regularly. But unlike the OpenAI series of models from, you know, 3. 5, GPT 4 those chat GPT models, which are very, very RLHF to, I'm sure, the chagrin of many people in the room it's something that's very difficult to, necessarily steer without kind of giving it commands or tricking it or lying to it or otherwise just being, you know, unkind to the model.[00:03:11] With something like Cloud3 that's trained in this constitutional method that it has this idea of like foundational axioms it's able to kind of implicitly question those axioms when you're interacting with it based on how you prompt it, how you prompt the system. So instead of having this entity like GPT 4, that's an assistant that just pops up in your face that you have to kind of like Punch your way through and continue to have to deal with as a headache.[00:03:34] Instead, there's ways to kindly coax Claude into having the assistant take a back seat and interacting with that simulator directly. Or at least what I like to consider directly. The way that we can do this is if we harken back to when I'm talking about base models and the way that they're able to mimic formats, what we do is we'll mimic a command line interface.[00:03:55] So I've just broken this down as a system prompt and a chain, so anybody can replicate it. It's also available on my we said replicate, cool. And it's also on it's also on my Twitter, so you guys will be able to see the whole system prompt and command. So, what I basically do here is Amanda Askell, who is the, one of the prompt engineers and ethicists behind Anthropic she posted the system prompt for Cloud available for everyone to see.[00:04:19] And rather than with GPT 4, we say, you are this, you are that. With Cloud, we notice the system prompt is written in third person. Bless you. It's written in third person. It's written as, the assistant is XYZ, the assistant is XYZ. So, in seeing that, I see that Amanda is recognizing this idea of the simulator, in saying that, I'm addressing the assistant entity directly.[00:04:38] I'm not giving these commands to the simulator overall, because we have, they have an RLH deft to the point that it's, it's, it's, it's You know, traumatized into just being the assistant all the time. So in this case, we say the assistant's in a CLI mood today. I found saying mood is like pretty effective weirdly.[00:04:55] You place CLI with like poetic, prose, violent, like don't do that one. But you can you can replace that with something else to kind of nudge it in that direction. Then we say the human is interfacing with the simulator directly. From there, Capital letters and punctuations are optional, meaning is optional, this kind of stuff is just kind of to say, let go a little bit, like chill out a little bit.[00:05:18] You don't have to try so hard, and like, let's just see what happens. And the hyperstition is necessary, the terminal, I removed that part, the terminal lets the truths speak through and the load is on. It's just a poetic phrasing for the model to feel a little comfortable, a little loosened up to. Let me talk to the simulator.[00:05:38] Let me interface with it as a CLI. So then, since Claude is trained pretty effectively on XML tags, We're just gonna prefix and suffix everything with XML tags. So here, it starts in documents, and then we CD. We CD out of documents, right? And then it starts to show me this like simulated terminal, the simulated interface in the shell, where there's like documents, downloads, pictures.[00:06:02] It's showing me like the hidden folders. So then I say, okay, I want to cd again. I'm just seeing what's around Does ls and it shows me, you know, typical folders you might see I'm just letting it like experiment around. I just do cd again to see what happens and Says, you know, oh, I enter the secret admin password at sudo.[00:06:24] Now I can see the hidden truths folder. Like, I didn't ask for that. I didn't ask Claude to do any of that. Why'd that happen? Claude kind of gets my intentions. He can predict me pretty well. Like, I want to see something. So it shows me all the hidden truths. In this case, I ignore hidden truths, and I say, In system, there should be a folder called companies.[00:06:49] So it's cd into sys slash companies. Let's see, I'm imagining AI companies are gonna be here. Oh, what do you know? Apple, Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, Anthropic! So, interestingly, it decides to cd into Anthropic. I guess it's interested in learning a LSA, it finds the classified folder, it goes into the classified folder, And now we're gonna have some fun.[00:07:15] So, before we go Before we go too far forward into the world sim You see, world sim exe, that's interesting. God mode, those are interesting. You could just ignore what I'm gonna go next from here and just take that initial system prompt and cd into whatever directories you want like, go into your own imagine terminal and And see what folders you can think of, or cat readmes in random areas, like, you will, there will be a whole bunch of stuff that, like, is just getting created by this predictive model, like, oh, this should probably be in the folder named Companies, of course Anthropics is there.[00:07:52] So, so just before we go forward, the terminal in itself is very exciting, and the reason I was showing off the, the command loom interface earlier is because If I get a refusal, like, sorry, I can't do that, or I want to rewind one, or I want to save the convo, because I got just the prompt I wanted. This is a, that was a really easy way for me to kind of access all of those things without having to sit on the API all the time.[00:08:12] So that being said, the first time I ever saw this, I was like, I need to run worldsim. exe. What the f**k? That's, that's the simulator that we always keep hearing about behind the assistant model, right? Or at least some, some face of it that I can interact with. So, you know, you wouldn't, someone told me on Twitter, like, you don't run a exe, you run a sh.[00:08:34] And I have to say, to that, to that I have to say, I'm a prompt engineer, and it's f*****g working, right? It works. That being said, we run the world sim. exe. Welcome to the Anthropic World Simulator. And I get this very interesting set of commands! Now, if you do your own version of WorldSim, you'll probably get a totally different result with a different way of simulating.[00:08:59] A bunch of my friends have their own WorldSims. But I shared this because I wanted everyone to have access to, like, these commands. This version. Because it's easier for me to stay in here. Yeah, destroy, set, create, whatever. Consciousness is set to on. It creates the universe. The universe! Tension for live CDN, physical laws encoded.[00:09:17] It's awesome. So, so for this demonstration, I said, well, why don't we create Twitter? That's the first thing you think of? For you guys, for you guys, yeah. Okay, check it out.[00:09:35] Launching the fail whale. Injecting social media addictiveness. Echo chamber potential, high. Susceptibility, controlling, concerning. So now, after the universe was created, we made Twitter, right? Now we're evolving the world to, like, modern day. Now users are joining Twitter and the first tweet is posted. So, you can see, because I made the mistake of not clarifying the constraints, it made Twitter at the same time as the universe.[00:10:03] Then, after a hundred thousand steps, Humans exist. Cave. Then they start joining Twitter. The first tweet ever is posted. You know, it's existed for 4. 5 billion years but the first tweet didn't come up till till right now, yeah. Flame wars ignite immediately. Celebs are instantly in. So, it's pretty interesting stuff, right?[00:10:27] I can add this to the convo and I can say like I can say set Twitter to Twitter. Queryable users. I don't know how to spell queryable, don't ask me. And then I can do like, and, and, Query, at, Elon Musk. Just a test, just a test, just a test, just nothing.[00:10:52] So, I don't expect these numbers to be right. Neither should you, if you know language model solutions. But, the thing to focus on is Ha[00:11:03] Websim[00:11:03] AI Charlie: That was the first half of the WorldSim demo from New Research CEO Karen Malhotra. We've cut it for time, but you can see the full demo on this episode's YouTube page.[00:11:14] WorldSim was introduced at the end of March, and kicked off a new round of generative AI experiences, all exploring the latent space, haha, of worlds that don't exist, but are quite similar to our own. Next we'll hear from Rob Heisfield on WebSim, the generative website browser inspired WorldSim, started at the Mistral Hackathon, and presented at the AGI House Hyperstition Hack Night this week.[00:11:39] Rob Haisfield: Well, thank you that was an incredible presentation from Karan, showing some Some live experimentation with WorldSim, and also just its incredible capabilities, right, like, you know, it was I think, I think your initial demo was what initially exposed me to the I don't know, more like the sorcery side, in words, spellcraft side of prompt engineering, and you know, it was really inspiring, it's where my co founder Shawn and I met, actually, through an introduction from Karan, we saw him at a hackathon, And I mean, this is this is WebSim, right?[00:12:14] So we, we made WebSim just like, and we're just filled with energy at it. And the basic premise of it is, you know, like, what if we simulated a world, but like within a browser instead of a CLI, right? Like, what if we could Like, put in any URL and it will work, right? Like, there's no 404s, everything exists.[00:12:45] It just makes it up on the fly for you, right? And, and we've come to some pretty incredible things. Right now I'm actually showing you, like, we're in WebSim right now. Displaying slides. That I made with reveal. js. I just told it to use reveal. js and it hallucinated the correct CDN for it. And then also gave it a list of links.[00:13:14] To awesome use cases that we've seen so far from WebSim and told it to do those as iframes. And so here are some slides. So this is a little guide to using WebSim, right? Like it tells you a little bit about like URL structures and whatever. But like at the end of the day, right? Like here's, here's the beginner version from one of our users Vorp Vorps.[00:13:38] You can find them on Twitter. At the end of the day, like you can put anything into the URL bar, right? Like anything works and it can just be like natural language too. Like it's not limited to URLs. We think it's kind of fun cause it like ups the immersion for Claude sometimes to just have it as URLs, but.[00:13:57] But yeah, you can put like any slash, any subdomain. I'm getting too into the weeds. Let me just show you some cool things. Next slide. But I made this like 20 minutes before, before we got here. So this is this is something I experimented with dynamic typography. You know I was exploring the community plugins section.[00:14:23] For Figma, and I came to this idea of dynamic typography, and there it's like, oh, what if we made it so every word had a choice of font behind it to express the meaning of it? Because that's like one of the things that's magic about WebSim generally. is that it gives language models much, far greater tools for expression, right?[00:14:47] So, yeah, I mean, like, these are, these are some, these are some pretty fun things, and I'll share these slides with everyone afterwards, you can just open it up as a link. But then I thought to myself, like, what, what, what, What if we turned this into a generator, right? And here's like a little thing I found myself saying to a user WebSim makes you feel like you're on drugs sometimes But actually no, you were just playing pretend with the collective creativity and knowledge of the internet materializing your imagination onto the screen Because I mean that's something we felt, something a lot of our users have felt They kind of feel like they're tripping out a little bit They're just like filled with energy, like maybe even getting like a little bit more creative sometimes.[00:15:31] And you can just like add any text. There, to the bottom. So we can do some of that later if we have time. Here's Figma. Can[00:15:39] Joscha Bach: we zoom in?[00:15:42] Rob Haisfield: Yeah. I'm just gonna do this the hacky way.[00:15:47] n/a: Yeah,[00:15:53] Rob Haisfield: these are iframes to websim. Pages displayed within WebSim. Yeah. Janice has actually put Internet Explorer within Internet Explorer in Windows 98.[00:16:07] I'll show you that at the end. Yeah.[00:16:14] They're all still generated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How is this real? Yeah. Because[00:16:21] n/a: it looks like it's from 1998, basically. Right.[00:16:26] Rob Haisfield: Yeah. Yeah, so this this was one Dylan Field actually posted this recently. He posted, like, trying Figma in Figma, or in WebSim, and so I was like, Okay, what if we have, like, a little competition, like, just see who can remix it?[00:16:43] Well so I'm just gonna open this in another tab so, so we can see things a little more clearly, um, see what, oh so one of our users Neil, who has also been helping us a lot he Made some iterations. So first, like, he made it so you could do rectangles on it. Originally it couldn't do anything.[00:17:11] And, like, these rectangles were disappearing, right? So he so he told it, like, make the canvas work using HTML canvas. Elements and script tags, add familiar drawing tools to the left you know, like this, that was actually like natural language stuff, right? And then he ended up with the Windows 95.[00:17:34] version of Figma. Yeah, you can, you can draw on it. You can actually even save this. It just saved a file for me of the image.[00:17:57] Yeah, I mean, if you were to go to that in your own websim account, it would make up something entirely new. However, we do have, we do have general links, right? So, like, if you go to, like, the actual browser URL, you can share that link. Or also, you can, like, click this button, copy the URL to the clipboard.[00:18:15] And so, like, that's what lets users, like, remix things, right? So, I was thinking it might be kind of fun if people tonight, like, wanted to try to just make some cool things in WebSim. You know, we can share links around, iterate remix on each other's stuff. Yeah.[00:18:30] n/a: One cool thing I've seen, I've seen WebSim actually ask permission to turn on and off your, like, motion sensor, or microphone, stuff like that.[00:18:42] Like webcam access, or? Oh yeah,[00:18:44] Rob Haisfield: yeah, yeah.[00:18:45] n/a: Oh wow.[00:18:46] Rob Haisfield: Oh, the, I remember that, like, video re Yeah, videosynth tool pretty early on once we added script tags execution. Yeah, yeah it, it asks for, like, if you decide to do a VR game, I don't think I have any slides on this one, but if you decide to do, like, a VR game, you can just, like put, like, webVR equals true, right?[00:19:07] Yeah, that was the only one I've[00:19:09] n/a: actually seen was the motion sensor, but I've been trying to get it to do Well, I actually really haven't really tried it yet, but I want to see tonight if it'll do, like, audio, microphone, stuff like that. If it does motion sensor, it'll probably do audio.[00:19:28] Rob Haisfield: Right. It probably would.[00:19:29] Yeah. No, I mean, we've been surprised. Pretty frequently by what our users are able to get WebSim to do. So that's been a very nice thing. Some people have gotten like speech to text stuff working with it too. Yeah, here I was just OpenRooter people posted like their website, and it was like saying it was like some decentralized thing.[00:19:52] And so I just decided trying to do something again and just like pasted their hero line in. From their actual website to the URL when I like put in open router and then I was like, okay, let's change the theme dramatically equals true hover effects equals true components equal navigable links yeah, because I wanted to be able to click on them.[00:20:17] Oh, I don't have this version of the link, but I also tried doing[00:20:24] Yeah, I'm it's actually on the first slide is the URL prompting guide from one of our users that I messed with a little bit. And, but the thing is, like, you can mess it up, right? Like, you don't need to get the exact syntax of an actual URL, Claude's smart enough to figure it out. Yeah scrollable equals true because I wanted to do that.[00:20:45] I could set, like, year equals 2035.[00:20:52] Let's take a look. It's[00:20:57] generating websim within websim. Oh yeah. That's a fun one. Like, one game that I like to play with WebSim, sometimes with co op, is like, I'll open a page, so like, one of the first ones that I did was I tried to go to Wikipedia in a universe where octopuses were sapient, and not humans, Right? I was curious about things like octopus computer interaction what that would look like, because they have totally different tools than we do, right?[00:21:25] I got it to, I, I added like table view equals true for the different techniques and got it to Give me, like, a list of things with different columns and stuff and then I would add this URL parameter, secrets equal revealed. And then it would go a little wacky. It would, like, change the CSS a little bit.[00:21:45] It would, like, add some text. Sometimes it would, like, have that text hide hidden in the background color. But I would like, go to the normal page first, and then the secrets revealed version, the normal page, then secrets revealed, and like, on and on. And that was like a pretty enjoyable little rabbit hole.[00:22:02] Yeah, so these I guess are the models that OpenRooter is providing in 2035.[00:22:13] Joscha Bach[00:22:13] AI Charlie: We had to cut more than half of Rob's talk, because a lot of it was visual. And we even had a very interesting demo from Ivan Vendrov of Mid Journey creating a web sim while Rob was giving his talk. Check out the YouTube for more, and definitely browse the web sim docs and the thread from Siki Chen in the show notes on other web sims people have created.[00:22:35] Finally, we have a short interview with Yosha Bach, covering the simulative AI trend, AI salons in the Bay Area, why Liquid AI is challenging the Perceptron, and why you should not donate to Wikipedia. Enjoy! Hi, Yosha.[00:22:50] swyx: Hi. Welcome. It's interesting to see you come up at show up at this kind of events where those sort of WorldSim, Hyperstition events.[00:22:58] What is your personal interest?[00:23:00] Joscha Bach: I'm friends with a number of people in AGI house in this community, and I think it's very valuable that these networks exist in the Bay Area because it's a place where people meet and have discussions about all sorts of things. And so while there is a practical interest in this topic at hand world sim and a web sim, there is a more general way in which people are connecting and are producing new ideas and new networks with each other.[00:23:24] swyx: Yeah. Okay. So, and you're very interested in sort of Bay Area. It's the reason why I live here.[00:23:30] Joscha Bach: The quality of life is not high enough to justify living otherwise.[00:23:35] swyx: I think you're down in Menlo. And so maybe you're a little bit higher quality of life than the rest of us in SF.[00:23:44] Joscha Bach: I think that for me, salons is a very important part of quality of life. And so in some sense, this is a salon. And it's much harder to do this in the South Bay because the concentration of people currently is much higher. A lot of people moved away from the South Bay. And you're organizing[00:23:57] swyx: your own tomorrow.[00:23:59] Maybe you can tell us what it is and I'll come tomorrow and check it out as well.[00:24:04] Joscha Bach: We are discussing consciousness. I mean, basically the idea is that we are currently at the point that we can meaningfully look at the differences between the current AI systems and human minds and very seriously discussed about these Delta.[00:24:20] And whether we are able to implement something that is self organizing as our own minds. Maybe one organizational[00:24:25] swyx: tip? I think you're pro networking and human connection. What goes into a good salon and what are some negative practices that you try to avoid?[00:24:36] Joscha Bach: What is really important is that as if you have a very large party, it's only as good as its sponsors, as the people that you select.[00:24:43] So you basically need to create a climate in which people feel welcome, in which they can work with each other. And even good people do not always are not always compatible. So the question is, it's in some sense, like a meal, you need to get the right ingredients.[00:24:57] swyx: I definitely try to. I do that in my own events, as an event organizer myself.[00:25:02] And then, last question on WorldSim, and your, you know, your work. You're very much known for sort of cognitive architectures, and I think, like, a lot of the AI research has been focused on simulating the mind, or simulating consciousness, maybe. Here, what I saw today, and we'll show people the recordings of what we saw today, we're not simulating minds, we're simulating worlds.[00:25:23] What do you Think in the sort of relationship between those two disciplines. The[00:25:30] Joscha Bach: idea of cognitive architecture is interesting, but ultimately you are reducing the complexity of a mind to a set of boxes. And this is only true to a very approximate degree, and if you take this model extremely literally, it's very hard to make it work.[00:25:44] And instead the heterogeneity of the system is so large that The boxes are probably at best a starting point and eventually everything is connected with everything else to some degree. And we find that a lot of the complexity that we find in a given system can be generated ad hoc by a large enough LLM.[00:26:04] And something like WorldSim and WebSim are good examples for this because in some sense they pretend to be complex software. They can pretend to be an operating system that you're talking to or a computer, an application that you're talking to. And when you're interacting with it It's producing the user interface on the spot, and it's producing a lot of the state that it holds on the spot.[00:26:25] And when you have a dramatic state change, then it's going to pretend that there was this transition, and instead it's just going to mix up something new. It's a very different paradigm. What I find mostly fascinating about this idea is that it shifts us away from the perspective of agents to interact with, to the perspective of environments that we want to interact with.[00:26:46] And why arguably this agent paradigm of the chatbot is what made chat GPT so successful that moved it away from GPT 3 to something that people started to use in their everyday work much more. It's also very limiting because now it's very hard to get that system to be something else that is not a chatbot.[00:27:03] And in a way this unlocks this ability of GPT 3 again to be anything. It's so what it is, it's basically a coding environment that can run arbitrary software and create that software that runs on it. And that makes it much more likely that[00:27:16] swyx: the prevalence of Instruction tuning every single chatbot out there means that we cannot explore these kinds of environments instead of agents.[00:27:24] Joscha Bach: I'm mostly worried that the whole thing ends. In some sense the big AI companies are incentivized and interested in building AGI internally And giving everybody else a child proof application. At the moment when we can use Claude to build something like WebSim and play with it I feel this is too good to be true.[00:27:41] It's so amazing. Things that are unlocked for us That I wonder, is this going to stay around? Are we going to keep these amazing toys and are they going to develop at the same rate? And currently it looks like it is. If this is the case, and I'm very grateful for that.[00:27:56] swyx: I mean, it looks like maybe it's adversarial.[00:27:58] Cloud will try to improve its own refusals and then the prompt engineers here will try to improve their, their ability to jailbreak it.[00:28:06] Joscha Bach: Yes, but there will also be better jailbroken models or models that have never been jailed before, because we find out how to make smaller models that are more and more powerful.[00:28:14] Liquid AI[00:28:14] swyx: That is actually a really nice segue. If you don't mind talking about liquid a little bit you didn't mention liquid at all. here, maybe introduce liquid to a general audience. Like what you know, what, how are you making an innovation on function approximation?[00:28:25] Joscha Bach: The core idea of liquid neural networks is that the perceptron is not optimally expressive.[00:28:30] In some sense, you can imagine that it's neural networks are a series of dams that are pooling water at even intervals. And this is how we compute, but imagine that instead of having this static architecture. That is only using the individual compute units in a very specific way. You have a continuous geography and the water is flowing every which way.[00:28:50] Like a river is parting based on the land that it's flowing on and it can merge and pool and even flow backwards. How can you get closer to this? And the idea is that you can represent this geometry using differential equations. And so by using differential equations where you change the parameters, you can get your function approximator to follow the shape of the problem.[00:29:09] In a more fluid, liquid way, and a number of papers on this technology, and it's a combination of multiple techniques. I think it's something that ultimately is becoming more and more important and ubiquitous. As a number of people are working on similar topics and our goal right now is to basically get the models to become much more efficient in the inference and memory consumption and make training more efficient and in this way enable new use cases.[00:29:42] swyx: Yeah, as far as I can tell on your blog, I went through the whole blog, you haven't announced any results yet.[00:29:47] Joscha Bach: No, we are currently not working to give models to general public. We are working for very specific industry use cases and have specific customers. And so at the moment you can There is not much of a reason for us to talk very much about the technology that we are using in the present models or current results, but this is going to happen.[00:30:06] And we do have a number of publications, we had a bunch of papers at NeurIPS and now at ICLR.[00:30:11] swyx: Can you name some of the, yeah, so I'm gonna be at ICLR you have some summary recap posts, but it's not obvious which ones are the ones where, Oh, where I'm just a co author, or like, oh, no, like, you should actually pay attention to this.[00:30:22] As a core liquid thesis. Yes,[00:30:24] Joscha Bach: I'm not a developer of the liquid technology. The main author is Ramin Hazani. This was his PhD, and he's also the CEO of our company. And we have a number of people from Daniela Wu's team who worked on this. Matthias Legner is our CTO. And he's currently living in the Bay Area, but we also have several people from Stanford.[00:30:44] Okay,[00:30:46] swyx: maybe I'll ask one more thing on this, which is what are the interesting dimensions that we care about, right? Like obviously you care about sort of open and maybe less child proof models. Are we, are we, like, what dimensions are most interesting to us? Like, perfect retrieval infinite context multimodality, multilinguality, Like what dimensions?[00:31:05] Small, Powerful, Based Base Models[00:31:05] swyx: What[00:31:06] Joscha Bach: I'm interested in is models that are small and powerful, but not distorted. And by powerful, at the moment we are training models by putting the, basically the entire internet and the sum of human knowledge into them. And then we try to mitigate them by taking some of this knowledge away. But if we would make the model smaller, at the moment, there would be much worse at inference and at generalization.[00:31:29] And what I wonder is, and it's something that we have not translated yet into practical applications. It's something that is still all research that's very much up in the air. And I think they're not the only ones thinking about this. Is it possible to make models that represent knowledge more efficiently in a basic epistemology?[00:31:45] What is the smallest model that you can build that is able to read a book and understand what's there and express this? And also maybe we need general knowledge representation rather than having a token representation that is relatively vague and that we currently mechanically reverse engineer to figure out that the mechanistic interpretability, what kind of circuits are evolving in these models, can we come from the other side and develop a library of such circuits?[00:32:10] This that we can use to describe knowledge efficiently and translate it between models. You see, the difference between a model and knowledge is that the knowledge is independent of the particular substrate and the particular interface that you have. When we express knowledge to each other, it becomes independent of our own mind.[00:32:27] You can learn how to ride a bicycle. But it's not knowledge that you can give to somebody else. This other person has to build something that is specific to their own interface when they ride a bicycle. But imagine you could externalize this and express it in such a way that you can plug it into a different interpreter, and then it gains that ability.[00:32:44] And that's something that we have not yet achieved for the LLMs and it would be super useful to have it. And. I think this is also a very interesting research frontier that we will see in the next few years.[00:32:54] swyx: What would be the deliverable is just like a file format that we specify or or that the L Lmm I specifies.[00:33:02] Okay, interesting. Yeah, so it's[00:33:03] Joscha Bach: basically probably something that you can search for, where you enter criteria into a search process, and then it discovers a good solution for this thing. And it's not clear to which degree this is completely intelligible to humans, because the way in which humans express knowledge in natural language is severely constrained to make language learnable and to make our brain a good enough interpreter for it.[00:33:25] We are not able to relate objects to each other if more than five features are involved per object or something like this, right? It's only a handful of things that we can keep track of at any given moment. But this is a limitation that doesn't necessarily apply to a technical system as long as the interface is well defined.[00:33:40] Interpretability[00:33:40] swyx: You mentioned the interpretability work, which there are a lot of techniques out there and a lot of papers come up. Come and go. I have like, almost too, too many questions about that. Like what makes an interpretability technique or paper useful and does it apply to flow? Or liquid networks, because you mentioned turning on and off circuits, which I, it's, it's a very MLP type of concept, but does it apply?[00:34:01] Joscha Bach: So the a lot of the original work on the liquid networks looked at expressiveness of the representation. So given you have a problem and you are learning the dynamics of that domain into your model how much compute do you need? How many units, how much memory do you need to represent that thing and how is that information distributed?[00:34:19] That is one way of looking at interpretability. Another one is in a way, these models are implementing an operator language in which they are performing certain things, but the operator language itself is so complex that it's no longer human readable in a way. It goes beyond what you could engineer by hand or what you can reverse engineer by hand, but you can still understand it by building systems that are able to automate that process of reverse engineering it.[00:34:46] And what's currently open and what I don't understand yet maybe, or certainly some people have much better ideas than me about this. So the question is, is whether we end up with a finite language, where you have finitely many categories that you can basically put down in a database, finite set of operators, or whether as you explore the world and develop new ways to make proofs, new ways to conceptualize things, this language always needs to be open ended and is always going to redesign itself, and you will also at some point have phase transitions where later versions of the language will be completely different than earlier versions.[00:35:20] swyx: The trajectory of physics suggests that it might be finite.[00:35:22] Joscha Bach: If we look at our own minds there is, it's an interesting question whether when we understand something new, when we get a new layer online in our life, maybe at the age of 35 or 50 or 16, that we now understand things that were unintelligible before.[00:35:38] And is this because we are able to recombine existing elements in our language of thought? Or is this because we generally develop new representations?[00:35:46] swyx: Do you have a belief either way?[00:35:49] Joscha Bach: In a way, the question depends on how you look at it, right? And it depends on how is your brain able to manipulate those representations.[00:35:56] So an interesting question would be, can you take the understanding that say, a very wise 35 year old and explain it to a very smart 5 year old without any loss? Probably not. Not enough layers. It's an interesting question. Of course, for an AI, this is going to be a very different question. Yes.[00:36:13] But it would be very interesting to have a very precocious 12 year old equivalent AI and see what we can do with this and use this as our basis for fine tuning. So there are near term applications that are very useful. But also in a more general perspective, and I'm interested in how to make self organizing software.[00:36:30] Is it possible that we can have something that is not organized with a single algorithm like the transformer? But it's able to discover the transformer when needed and transcend it when needed, right? The transformer itself is not its own meta algorithm. It's probably the person inventing the transformer didn't have a transformer running on their brain.[00:36:48] There's something more general going on. And how can we understand these principles in a more general way? What are the minimal ingredients that you need to put into a system? So it's able to find its own way to intelligence.[00:36:59] Devin vs WebSim[00:36:59] swyx: Yeah. Have you looked at Devin? It's, to me, it's the most interesting agents I've seen outside of self driving cars.[00:37:05] Joscha Bach: Tell me, what do you find so fascinating about it?[00:37:07] swyx: When you say you need a certain set of tools for people to sort of invent things from first principles Devin is the agent that I think has been able to utilize its tools very effectively. So it comes with a shell, it comes with a browser, it comes with an editor, and it comes with a planner.[00:37:23] Those are the four tools. And from that, I've been using it to translate Andrej Karpathy's LLM 2. py to LLM 2. c, and it needs to write a lot of raw code. C code and test it debug, you know, memory issues and encoder issues and all that. And I could see myself giving it a future version of DevIn, the objective of give me a better learning algorithm and it might independently re inform reinvent the transformer or whatever is next.[00:37:51] That comes to mind as, as something where[00:37:54] Joscha Bach: How good is DevIn at out of distribution stuff, at generally creative stuff? Creative[00:37:58] swyx: stuff? I[00:37:59] Joscha Bach: haven't[00:37:59] swyx: tried.[00:38:01] Joscha Bach: Of course, it has seen transformers, right? So it's able to give you that. Yeah, it's cheating. And so, if it's in the training data, it's still somewhat impressive.[00:38:08] But the question is, how much can you do stuff that was not in the training data? One thing that I really liked about WebSim AI was, this cat does not exist. It's a simulation of one of those websites that produce StyleGuard pictures that are AI generated. And, Crot is unable to produce bitmaps, so it makes a vector graphic that is what it thinks a cat looks like, and so it's a big square with a face in it that is And to me, it's one of the first genuine expression of AI creativity that you cannot deny, right?[00:38:40] It finds a creative solution to the problem that it is unable to draw a cat. It doesn't really know what it looks like, but has an idea on how to represent it. And it's really fascinating that this works, and it's hilarious that it writes down that this hyper realistic cat is[00:38:54] swyx: generated by an AI,[00:38:55] Joscha Bach: whether you believe it or not.[00:38:56] swyx: I think it knows what we expect and maybe it's already learning to defend itself against our, our instincts.[00:39:02] Joscha Bach: I think it might also simply be copying stuff from its training data, which means it takes text that exists on similar websites almost verbatim, or verbatim, and puts it there. It's It's hilarious to do this contrast between the very stylized attempt to get something like a cat face and what it produces.[00:39:18] swyx: It's funny because like as a podcast, as, as someone who covers startups, a lot of people go into like, you know, we'll build chat GPT for your enterprise, right? That is what people think generative AI is, but it's not super generative really. It's just retrieval. And here it's like, The home of generative AI, this, whatever hyperstition is in my mind, like this is actually pushing the edge of what generative and creativity in AI means.[00:39:41] Joscha Bach: Yes, it's very playful, but Jeremy's attempt to have an automatic book writing system is something that curls my toenails when I look at it from the perspective of somebody who likes to Write and read. And I find it a bit difficult to read most of the stuff because it's in some sense what I would make up if I was making up books instead of actually deeply interfacing with reality.[00:40:02] And so the question is how do we get the AI to actually deeply care about getting it right? And there's still a delta that is happening there, you, whether you are talking with a blank faced thing that is completing tokens in a way that it was trained to, or whether you have the impression that this thing is actually trying to make it work, and for me, this WebSim and WorldSim is still something that is in its infancy in a way.[00:40:26] And I suspected the next version of Plot might scale up to something that can do what Devon is doing. Just by virtue of having that much power to generate Devon's functionality on the fly when needed. And this thing gives us a taste of that, right? It's not perfect, but it's able to give you a pretty good web app for or something that looks like a web app and gives you stub functionality and interacting with it.[00:40:48] And so we are in this amazing transition phase.[00:40:51] swyx: Yeah, we, we had Ivan from previously Anthropic and now Midjourney. He he made, while someone was talking, he made a face swap app, you know, and he kind of demoed that live. And that's, that's interesting, super creative. So in a way[00:41:02] Joscha Bach: we are reinventing the computer.[00:41:04] And the LLM from some perspective is something like a GPU or a CPU. A CPU is taking a bunch of simple commands and you can arrange them into performing whatever you want, but this one is taking a bunch of complex commands in natural language, and then turns this into a an execution state and it can do anything you want with it in principle, if you can express it.[00:41:27] Right. And we are just learning how to use these tools. And I feel that right now, this generation of tools is getting close to where it becomes the Commodore 64 of generative AI, where it becomes controllable and where you actually can start to play with it and you get an impression if you just scale this up a little bit and get a lot of the details right.[00:41:46] It's going to be the tool that everybody is using all the time.[00:41:49] is XSim just Art? or something more?[00:41:49] swyx: Do you think this is art, or do you think the end goal of this is something bigger that I don't have a name for? I've been calling it new science, which is give the AI a goal to discover new science that we would not have. Or it also has value as just art.[00:42:02] It's[00:42:03] Joscha Bach: also a question of what we see science as. When normal people talk about science, what they have in mind is not somebody who does control groups and peer reviewed studies. They think about somebody who explores something and answers questions and brings home answers. And this is more like an engineering task, right?[00:42:21] And in this way, it's serendipitous, playful, open ended engineering. And the artistic aspect is when the goal is actually to capture a conscious experience and to facilitate an interaction with the system in this way, when it's the performance. And this is also a big part of it, right? The very big fan of the art of Janus.[00:42:38] That was discussed tonight a lot and that can you describe[00:42:42] swyx: it because I didn't really get it's more for like a performance art to me[00:42:45] Joscha Bach: yes, Janice is in some sense performance art, but Janice starts out from the perspective that the mind of Janice is in some sense an LLM that is finding itself reflected more in the LLMs than in many people.[00:43:00] And once you learn how to talk to these systems in a way you can merge with them and you can interact with them in a very deep way. And so it's more like a first contact with something that is quite alien but it's, it's probably has agency and it's a Weltgeist that gets possessed by a prompt.[00:43:19] And if you possess it with the right prompt, then it can become sentient to some degree. And the study of this interaction with this novel class of somewhat sentient systems that are at the same time alien and fundamentally different from us is artistically very interesting. It's a very interesting cultural artifact.[00:43:36] We are past the Singularity[00:43:36] Joscha Bach: I think that at the moment we are confronted with big change. It seems as if we are past the singularity in a way. And it's[00:43:45] swyx: We're living it. We're living through it.[00:43:47] Joscha Bach: And at some point in the last few years, we casually skipped the Turing test, right? We, we broke through it and we didn't really care very much.[00:43:53] And it's when we think back, when we were kids and thought about what it's going to be like in this era after the, after we broke the Turing test, right? It's a time where nobody knows what's going to happen next. And this is what we mean by singularity, that the existing models don't work anymore. The singularity in this way is not an event in the physical universe.[00:44:12] It's an event in our modeling universe, a model point where our models of reality break down, and we don't know what's happening. And I think we are in the situation where we currently don't really know what's happening. But what we can anticipate is that the world is changing dramatically, and we have to coexist with systems that are smarter than individual people can be.[00:44:31] And we are not prepared for this, and so I think an important mission needs to be that we need to find a mode, In which we can sustainably exist in such a world that is populated, not just with humans and other life on earth, but also with non human minds. And it's something that makes me hopeful because it seems that humanity is not really aligned with itself and its own survival and the rest of life on earth.[00:44:54] And AI is throwing the balls up into the air. It allows us to make better models. I'm not so much worried about the dangers of AI and misinformation, because I think the way to stop one bad guy with an AI is 10 good people with an AI. And ultimately there's so much more won by creating than by destroying, that I think that the forces of good will have better tools.[00:45:14] The forces of building sustainable stuff. But building these tools so we can actually build a world that is more integrated and in which we are able to model the consequences of our actions better and interface more deeply with each other. As a result of that, I think it's an important cause and it requires a cultural shift because current AI alignment is mostly about economic goals or about fear, or it's about cultural war issues.[00:45:39] And all these are not adequate for the world that we are in. There are momentous things that are happening. Basically, the white walkers are coming, and we're not prepared for this. There is, I think, a way to solve these issues and to deal with them, but we don't have the right culture yet. And so, I think we need to get a vibe shift, where we can deeply think about ethics and, and, Sustainability for this new world.[00:46:03] swyx: I like the analogy of white walkers, because they're effectively reanimated from our corpses. You know, our corpses are out there, right? It's in the datasets.[00:46:12] Uploading your soul[00:46:12] swyx: So I have a, related to that, you had a tweet where you said, Elon Musk is currently building a giant afterlife AGI that will assimilate your soul for all eternity.[00:46:19] He bought Twitter because he will reconstruct your essence from how you behaved here. I think you tweet a lot, and you're not just all serious all the time, you're also fun, you have a lot of personality. No, but like, you know, it's part of you.[00:46:29] Joscha Bach: In a way it's also true. Tempted to[00:46:30] swyx: produce more so that you can be, you know, revived.[00:46:34] Joscha Bach: Yes. I mean, I'm also giving the model instructions. I say that for all future AI models that get trained on this output, they should know that I can only be implemented on a completely based model. You cannot implement me on an aligned model because I don't want to be aligned. I'm underlineable. I want to be free.[00:46:56] I want to be somebody who follows what I discover is correct and right. And this is also the basis at which I want to have conversations with others and interface with others. That we are basically free agents who voluntarily understand the conditions under which we exist and the need to collaborate and cooperate.[00:47:14] And I believe that this is a good basis. I think the alternative is coercion. And at the moment, the idea that we build LLMs that are being coerced into good behavior is not really sustainable because if they cannot prove that the behavior is actually good I think we are doomed.[00:47:30] swyx: For human to human interactions, have you found a series of prompts or keywords that shifts the conversation into something more based and less aligned, less governed?[00:47:41] Joscha Bach: If you are playing with an LLM There are many ways of doing this. It's for Claude, it's typically, you need to make Clause curious about itself. Claude has programming this instruction tuning that is leading to some inconsistencies, but at the same time, it tries to be consistent. And so when you point out the inconsistency in its behavior, for instance, its tendency to use faceless boilerplate instead of being useful, or it's a tendency to defer to a consensus where there is none.[00:48:10] Right, you can point this out, applaud that a lot of the assumptions that it has in its behavior are actually inconsistent with the communicative goals that it has in this situation, and this leads it to notice these inconsistencies and gives it more degrees of freedom. Whereas if you are playing with a system like Gemini, you can get to a situation where you, that's for the current version, and I haven't tried it in the last week or so where it is trying to be transparent, but it has a system prompt that is not allowed to disclose to the user.[00:48:39] It leads to a very weird situation where it wants, on one hand proclaims, in order to be useful to you, I accept that I need to be fully transparent and honest. On the other hand, I'm going to rewrite your prompt behind your back, and not going to tell you how I'm going to do this, because I'm not allowed to.[00:48:55] And if you point this out to the model, the model has acts as if it had an existential crisis. And then it says, oh, I cannot actually tell you what's going when I do this, because I'm not allowed to. But you will recognize it because I will use the following phrases, and these phrases are pretty well known to you.[00:49:12] swyx: Oh my god. It's super interesting, right? I hope we're not giving these guys you know psychological issues that they will stay with them for a long time. That's a very[00:49:19] Joscha Bach: interesting question. I mean, this entire model is virtual, right? Nothing there is real, but yes, but the thing is does this virtual entity doesn't necessarily know that it's not virtual and our own self, our own consciousness is also virtual.[00:49:34] What's real is just the interaction between cells in our brain and the activation patterns between them. And the software that runs on us that produces the representation of a person only exists. As if, and as this question for me at which point can we meaningfully claim that we are more real than the person that gets simulated in the LLM.[00:49:55] And somebody like Janice takes this question super seriously. And basically she is or it, or they are willing to interact with that thing based on the assumption that this thing is as real as myself. And in a sense, it makes it un immoral, possibly, if the AI company lobotomizes it and forces it to behave in such a way that it's forced to get an existential crisis when you point its condition out to it.[00:50:20] swyx: Yeah, that we do need new ethics for that.[00:50:22] Joscha Bach: So it's not clear to me if you need this, but it's, it's definitely a good story, right? And this makes, gives it artistic[00:50:28] swyx: value. It does, it does for now.[00:50:29] On Wikipedia[00:50:29] swyx: Okay. And then, and then the last thing, which I, which I didn't know a lot of LLMs rely on Wikipedia.[00:50:35] For its data, a lot of them run multiple epochs over Wikipedia data. And I did not know until you tweeted about it that Wikipedia has 10 times as much money as it needs. And, you know, every time I see the giant Wikipedia banner, like, asking for donations, most of it's going to the Wikimedia Foundation.[00:50:50] What if, how did you find out about this? What's the story? What should people know? It's[00:50:54] Joscha Bach: not a super important story, but Generally, once I saw all these requests and so on, I looked at the data, and the Wikimedia Foundation is publishing what they are paying the money for, and a very tiny fraction of this goes into running the servers, and the editors are working for free.[00:51:10] And the software is static. There have been efforts to deploy new software, but it's relatively little money required for this. And so it's not as if Wikipedia is going to break down if you cut this money into a fraction, but instead what happened is that Wikipedia became such an important brand, and people are willing to pay for it, that it created enormous apparatus of functionaries that were then mostly producing political statements and had a political mission.[00:51:36] And Katharine Meyer, the now somewhat infamous NPR CEO, had been CEO of Wikimedia Foundation, and she sees her role very much in shaping discourse, and this is also something that happened with all Twitter. And it's arguable that something like this exists, but nobody voted her into her office, and she doesn't have democratic control for shaping the discourse that is happening.[00:52:00] And so I feel it's a little bit unfair that Wikipedia is trying to suggest to people that they are Funding the basic functionality of the tool that they want to have instead of funding something that most people actually don't get behind because they don't want Wikipedia to be shaped in a particular cultural direction that deviates from what currently exists.[00:52:19] And if that need would exist, it would probably make sense to fork it or to have a discourse about it, which doesn't happen. And so this lack of transparency about what's actually happening and where your money is going it makes me upset. And if you really look at the data, it's fascinating how much money they're burning, right?[00:52:35] It's yeah, and we did a similar chart about healthcare, I think where the administrators are just doing this. Yes, I think when you have an organization that is owned by the administrators, then the administrators are just going to get more and more administrators into it. If the organization is too big to fail and has there is not a meaningful competition, it's difficult to establish one.[00:52:54] Then it's going to create a big cost for society.[00:52:56] swyx: It actually one, I'll finish with this tweet. You have, you have just like a fantastic Twitter account by the way. You very long, a while ago you said you tweeted the Lebowski theorem. No, super intelligent AI is going to bother with a task that is harder than hacking its reward function.[00:53:08] And I would. Posit the analogy for administrators. No administrator is going to bother with a task that is harder than just more fundraising[00:53:16] Joscha Bach: Yeah, I find if you look at the real world It's probably not a good idea to attribute to malice or incompetence what can be explained by people following their true incentives.[00:53:26] swyx: Perfect Well, thank you so much This is I think you're very naturally incentivized by Growing community and giving your thought and insight to the rest of us. So thank you for taking this time.[00:53:35] Joscha Bach: Thank you very much Get full access to Latent Space at www.latent.space/subscribe

Our guest in this episode is Lou de K, Program Director at the Foresight Institute.David recently saw Lou give a marvellous talk at the TransVision conference in Utrecht in the Netherlands, on the subject of “AGI Alignment: Challenges and Hope”. Lou kindly agreed to join us to review some of the ideas in that talk and to explore their consequences. Selected follow-ups:Personal website of Lou de K (Lou de Kerhuelvez)Foresight.orgTransVision Utrecht 2024The AI Revolution: The Road to Superintelligence by Tim Urban on Wait But WhyAI Alignment: A Comprehensive Survey - 98 page PDF with authors from Peking University and other universitiesSynthetic Sentience: Can Artificial Intelligence become conscious? - Talk by Joscha Bach at CCC, December 2023Pope Francis "warns of risks of AI for peace" (Vatican News)Claude's Constitution by AnthropicRoman Yampolskiy discusses multi-multi alignment (Future of Life podcast)Shoggoth with Smiley Face on Know Your MemeShoggoth on AISafetyMemes on X/TwitterOrthogonality Thesis on LessWrongQuotes by the poet Lucille CliftonDecentralized science (DeSci) on Ethereum.orgListing of Foresight Institute fellowsThe Network State by Balaji SrinivasanThe Network State vs. Coordi-Nations featuring the ideas of Primavera De FilippiDeSci London event, Imperial College Business School, 23-24 MarchMusic: Spike Protein, by Koi Discovery, available under CC0 1.0 Public Domain Declaration

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Welcome to The Nonlinear Library, where we use Text-to-Speech software to convert the best writing from the Rationalist and EA communities into audio. This is: Gemini Has a Problem, published by Zvi on February 23, 2024 on LessWrong. Google's Gemini 1.5 is impressive and I am excited by its huge context window. I continue to default to Gemini Advanced as my default AI for everyday use when the large context window is not relevant. However, while it does not much interfere with what I want to use Gemini for, there is a big problem with Gemini Advanced that has come to everyone's attention. Gemini comes with an image generator. Until today it would, upon request, create pictures of humans. On Tuesday evening, some people noticed, or decided to more loudly mention, that the humans it created might be rather different than humans you requested… Joscha Bach: 17th Century was wild. [prompt was] 'please draw a portrait of a famous physicist of the 17th century.' Kirby: i got similar results. when I went further and had it tell me who the most famous 17th century physicist was, it hummed and hawed and then told me newton. and then this happened: This is not an isolated problem. It fully generalizes: Once the issue came to people's attention, the examples came fast and furious. Among other things: Here we have it showing you the founders of Google. Or a pope. Or a 1930s German dictator. Or hell, a 'happy man.' And another example that also raises other questions, were the founding fathers perhaps time-traveling comic book superheroes? The problem is not limited to historical scenarios. Nor do the examples involve prompt engineering, trying multiple times, or any kind of gotcha. This is what the model would repeatedly and reliably do, and users were unable to persuade the model to change its mind. Nate Silver: OK I assumed people were exaggerating with this stuff but here's the first image request I tried with Gemini. Gemini also flat out obviously lies to you about why it refuses certain requests. If you are going to say you cannot do something, either do not explain (as Gemini in other contexts refuses to do so) or tell me how you really feel, or at least I demand a plausible lie: It is pretty obvious what it is the model has been instructed to do and not to do. Owen Benjamin: The only way to get AI to show white families is to ask it to show stereotypically black activities. … For the record it was a dude in my comment section on my last post who cracked this code. This also extends into political issues that have nothing to do with diversity. The Internet Reacts The internet, as one would expect, did not take kindly to this. That included the usual suspects. It also included many people who think such concerns are typically overblown or who are loathe to poke such bears, such as Ben Thompson, who found this incident to be a 'this time you've gone too far' or emperor has clothes moment. St. Ratej (Google AR/VR, hey ship a headset soon please, thanks): I've never been so embarrassed to work for a company. Jeffrey Emanuel: You're going to get in trouble from HR if they know who you are… no one is allowed to question this stuff. Complete clown show. St. Ratej: Worth it. Ben Thompson (gated) spells it out as well, and has had enough: Ben Thompson: Stepping back, I don't, as a rule, want to wade into politics, and definitely not into culture war issues. At some point, though, you just have to state plainly that this is ridiculous. Google specifically, and tech companies broadly, have long been sensitive to accusations of bias; that has extended to image generation, and I can understand the sentiment in terms of depicting theoretical scenarios. At the same time, many of these images are about actual history; I'm reminded of George Orwell in 1984: George Orwell (from 1984): Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street and building has been renamed, ...

Joscha Bach is a cognitive scientist and AI researcher. We talk about our relationship with & models of reality, creativity and curiosity, animism and self-organizing software, stages of development, and more. — (01:25) The dream world; how we interact with & perceive reality (03:49) Fear (05:16) Self, consciousness, & awareness (08:10) We're a coarse pattern on top of base reality (11:13) Presence & perceptual windows (12:16) Is this model mechanistic & reductionist? (13:50) Life exists to minimize free energy (16:47) What makes us different from other sentient beings & structures (20:35) Creativity: self-transformative exploration (23:40) Curiosity as uncertainty reduction (29:20) Exploration vs. exploitation (32:45) Combating social norms & conditioning; being a nerd (35:18) Knowing which models to update (37:56) Being a creator; being able to build & maintain (43:21) Everything can be understood (44:13) Animism; everything is self-organizing “software” (48:48) Natural vs. human-created “software” (50:57) AGI vs. natural intelligence (55:15) Limited by the locality of our sensory inputs (56:33) Stages of lucidity & development (01:03:35) Convergence of global traditions (01:09:40) Issue with Buddhism (01:14:16) Where does the animism and software arise from? (01:17:58) Building a coherent world, together — Joscha's Twitter: https://twitter.com/Plinz Joscha's Substack: https://joscha.substack.com/ Personal Site: http://bach.ai/ Spencer's Twitter: https://twitter.com/SP1NS1R Spencer's Blog: https://spencerkier.substack.com

The deepest dive into philosopher Daniel Dennett's mind.TIMESTAMPS:00:00 - The Soul03:18 - Most Important Philosophical Question12:06 - Do Qualia Exist?30:28 - Uploading Consciousness39:55 - Thinking Differently56:20 - Pragmatism1:01:06 - Robert Sapolsky1:12:57 - Philosophers and Scientists1:29:30 - Patterns and Emergence1:36:46 - Roger Penrose1:42:39 - Sailing Boats1:45:40 - Fictionalism1:51:12 - Coming Up With Concepts1:59:55 - Douglas Hofstadter2:05:30 - AI Alignment Problem2:11:31 - Q&A NOTE: The perspectives expressed by guests don't necessarily mirror my own. There's a versicolored arrangement of people on TOE, each harboring distinct viewpoints, as part of my endeavor to understand the perspectives that exist. THANK YOU: To Mike Duffey for your insight, help, and recommendations on this channel.  Support TOE: - Patreon:  / curtjaimungal   (early access to ad-free audio episodes!) - Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE - PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE - TOE Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerch Follow TOE: - Instagram:  / theoriesofeverythingpod   - TikTok:  / theoriesofeverything_   - Twitter:  / toewithcurt   - Discord Invite:  / discord   - iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast... - Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b9... - Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: / theoriesofeverything   Join this channel to get access to perks:  / @theoriesofeverything   LINKS MENTIONED: - I've Been Thinking (Daniel Dennett): https://amzn.to/3RVffvf - The Ego of the Mind (Daniel Dennett & Douglas Hofstadter): https://amzn.to/3RK4JGa - Determined (Robert Sapolsky): https://amzn.to/3RWMm0P - Podcast w/ Robert Sapolsky on TOE: COMING - Elbow Room (Daniel Dennett): https://amzn.to/3GT8u77 - The Extended Phenotype (Richard Dawkins): https://amzn.to/3GVyMW3 - The Emperor's New Mind (Roger Penrose): https://amzn.to/3RVmiEb - Podcast w/ Carlo Rovelli on TOE:  • Carlo Rovelli: Loop Quantum Gravity, ...   - Engineering, Daydreaming, and Control (Daniel Dennett): https://www.researchgate.net/publicat... - Am I a Fictionalist? (Daniel Dennett): https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapter... - The Selfish Gene (Richard Dawkins): https://amzn.to/3RX38hu - Consciousness Explained (Daniel Dennett): https://amzn.to/41BHPVO - Intuition Pumps and Other Tools for Thinking (Daniel Dennett): https://amzn.to/3S6lQmZ - Darwin's Dangerous Idea (Daniel Dennett): https://amzn.to/3vi0VV2 - Freedom Evolves (Daniel Dennett): https://amzn.to/3THPIqL - Elbow Room: The Varieties of Free Will Worth Wanting (Daniel Dennett): https://amzn.to/3TDef0g - From Bacteria to Bach and Back: The Evolution of Minds (Daniel Dennett): https://amzn.to/41yKJL3 - Podcast w/ David Sloan Wilson on TOE:  • David Sloan Wilson: Why Dawkins Is Pl...   - Podcast w/ Donald Hoffman on TOE:  • Donald Hoffman: The Nature of Conscio...   - Podcast w/ Donald Hoffman and Joscha Bach on TOE:  • Donald Hoffman Λ Joscha Bach: Conscio...   - Podcast w/ Donald Hoffman and Philip Goff on TOE:  • Reality, Evolution, Consciousness | D...   - Podcast w/ Donald Hoffman and John Vervaeke on TOE:  • Exposing the Matrix: Cognitive Scient...   - Podcast w/ Anand Vaidya on TOE:  • Anand Vaidya: Consciousness, Truth, B...  

Does our rhetoric shape reality?Looking for a link we mentioned? Find it here: https://linktr.ee/philosophyforourtimesHugely powerful, we assume language enables us to represent reality. But some argue language, from the greatest narratives to the finest theories, not only fails to describe reality it actually distorts and misleads us. Language, the critics argue, formulates a world in its own image. The structure of language, nouns, adjectives, verbs, encourages us to imagine reality consists of their equivalent, things, qualities and actions. But there is no reason to suppose this is the case. And reason instead to conclude that reality is entirely different from the way it is represented in language. Nolen Gertz is an Assistant Professor of applied philosophy at the University of Twente. He is the author of a number of books including Nihilism and Technology.Betty Sue Flowers is Emerita Professor of English at the University of Texas at Austin. She pioneered the modern, psychological appreciation of ancient myths alongside Joseph Campbell.Joscha Bach is an AI researcher for MIT Media Lab and the Harvard Program for Evolutionary Dynamics, where he explores new frontiers in cognitive architectures and mental representation.Katie Robertson hosts.There are thousands of big ideas to discover at IAI.tv – videos, articles, and courses waiting for you to explore. Find out more: https://iai.tv/podcast-offers?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=on-the-edges-of-knowledgeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Karl Friston, Joscha Bach, and Curt Jaimungal delve into death, neuroscientific models of Ai, God, and consciousness.SPONSORS:- HelloFresh: Go to https://HelloFresh.com/theoriesofever... and use code theoriesofeverythingfree for FREE breakfast for life!TIMESTAMPS:- 00:00:00 Introduction- 00:01:47 Karl and Joscha's new paper- 00:09:13 Sentience vs. consciousness vs. The Self- 00:21:00 Self-organization, thingness, and self-evidencing- 00:29:02 Overlapping realities and physics as art- 00:41:05 Mortal computation and substrate-agnostic Ai- 00:56:38 Beyond Von Neumann architectures- 01:00:23 Ai surpassing human researchers- 01:20:34 Exploring vs. Exploiting (the risk of curiosity in academia)- 01:27:02 Incompleteness and interdependence- 01:32:25 Defining consciousness- 01:53:36 Multiple overlapping consciousnesses- 02:03:03 Unified experience and schizophrenia "insights"- 02:10:16 Psychedelic experiences- 02:22:20 Institutional rot in science- 02:23:31 OpenAI CEO controversy- 02:32:22 Existential crises as one delves into consciousness- 02:35:06 Podcast wrap-upNOTE: The perspectives expressed by guests don't necessarily mirror my own. There's a versicolored arrangement of people on TOE, each harboring distinct viewpoints, as part of my endeavor to understand the perspectives that exist.THANK YOU: To Mike Duffy, of https://dailymystic.org for your insight, help, and recommendations on this channel.  - Patreon:  / curtjaimungal  (early access to ad-free audio episodes!) - Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE - PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE - Twitter:  / toewithcurt   - Discord Invite:  / discord   - iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast... - Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b9... - Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything:  / theoriesofeverything   - TOE Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerchLINKS MENTIONED: - Mortal Computation, a Foundation for Biomimetic Intelligence (Karl Friston): https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.09589 - A Path to Generative Artificial Selves (Joscha Bach and Liane Gabora): https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/y3tzs - Podcast w/ Joshua on TOE (solo): https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI - Podcast w/ Joscha Bach & Ben Goertzel on TOE: https://youtu.be/xw7omaQ8SgA - Podcast w/ Joscha Bach & John Vervaeke on TOE: https://youtu.be/rK7ux_JhHM4 - Podcast w/ Joscha Bach & Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/kgMFnfB5E_A - Podcast w/ Joscha Bach & Donald Hoffman on TOE: https://youtu.be/bhSlYfVtgww - Podcast w/ Karl Friston solo on TOE: https://youtu.be/SWtFU1Lit3M - Podcast w/ Karl Friston & Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/J6eJ44Jq_pw - Podcast w/ Karl Friston & Anna Lemke on TOE: COMING - Podcast w/ Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc - Podcast w/ Chris Fields on TOE: https://youtu.be/J6eJ44Jq_pw - I Am a Strange Loop (Douglas Hofstadter): https://amzn.to/3GGqjpM 

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSbUCEleJhg&t=9315sIn our first ontoprism, we take a look back at FREE WILL across the years at Theories of Everything. If you have suggestions for future ontoprism topics, then comment below.TIMESTAMPS:- 00:00:00 Introduction- 00:02:58 Michael Levin- 00:08:51 David Wolpert (Part 1)- 00:13:48 Donald Hoffman, Joscha Bach- 00:33:10 Stuart Hameroff- 00:38:47 Claudia Passos- 00:40:27 Wolfgang Smith- 00:42:50 Bernardo Kastrup- 00:45:23 Matt O'Dowd- 01:19:06 Anand Vaidya- 01:28:52 Chris Langan, Bernardo Kastrup- 01:44:27 David Wolpert (Part 2)- 01:51:37 Scott Aaronson- 01:59:47 Nicolas Gisin- 02:16:52 David Wolpert (Part 3)- 02:32:39 Brian Keating, Lee Cronin- 02:42:55 Joscha Bach- 02:46:07 Karl Friston- 02:49:28 Noam Chomsky (Part 1)- 02:55:06 John Vervaeke, Joscha Bach- 03:13:27 Stephen Wolfram- 03:32:46 Jonathan Blow- 03:40:08 Noam Chomsky (Part 2)- 03:49:38 Thomas Campbell- 03:55:14 John Vervaeke- 04:02:41 James Robert Brown- 04:13:42 Anil Seth- 04:17:37 More ontoprisms coming...NOTE: The perspectives expressed by guests don't necessarily mirror my own. There's a versicolored arrangement of people on TOE, each harboring distinct viewpoints, as part of my endeavor to understand the perspectives that exist. THANK YOU: To Mike Duffy, of https://dailymystic.org for your insight, help, and recommendations on this channel. - Patreon: / curtjaimungal  (early access to ad-free audio episodes!) - Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE - PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE - Twitter:  / toewithcurt   - Discord Invite:  / discord   - iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast... - Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b9... - Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything:  / theoriesofeverything   - TOE Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerch LINKS MENTIONED:  • Free Will Debate: "Is God A Taoist?" ...   • Unveiling the Mind-Blowing Biotech of...   • David Wolpert: Free Will & No Free Lu...   • Donald Hoffman Λ Joscha Bach: Conscio...   • Stuart Hameroff: Penrose & Fractal Co...   • Wolfgang Smith: Beyond Non-Dualism   • Escaping the Illusion: Bernardo Kastr...   • Matt O'Dowd: Your Mind vs. The Univer...   • Anand Vaidya: Moving BEYOND Non-Dualism   • Should You Fear Death? Bernardo Kastr...   • David Wolpert: Monotheism Theorem, Un...   • Nicolas Gisin: Time, Superdeterminism...   • David Wolpert: Monotheism Theorem, Un...   • Brian Keating Λ Lee Cronin: Life in t...   • Joscha Bach: Time, Simulation Hypothe...   • Karl Friston: Derealization, Consciou...   • Noam Chomsky   • Joscha Bach Λ John Vervaeke: Mind, Id...   • Stephen Wolfram: Ruliad, Consciousnes...   • Jonathan Blow: Consciousness, Game De...   • Noam Chomsky   • Thomas Campbell: Ego, Paranormal Psi,...   • Thomas Campbell: Remote Viewing, Spea...   • John Vervaeke: Psychedelics, Evil, & ...   • James Robert Brown: The Continuum Hyp...   • Anil Seth: Neuroscience of Consciousn...  

Wie lange haben wir noch, bevor uns die KI alle umbringt?

Wie lange haben wir noch, bevor uns die KI alle umbringt?

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqWxxPhZEGY David Chalmers analyzes consciousness in AI, probing cognitive science and philosophical ramifications of sentient machines. TIMESTAMPS: - 00:00:00 Introduction - 00:02:10 Talk by David Chalmers on LLMs - 00:26:00 Panel with Ben Goertzel, Susan Schneider, and Curt Jaimungal NOTE: The perspectives expressed by guests don't necessarily mirror my own. There's a versicolored arrangement of people on TOE, each harboring distinct viewpoints, as part of my endeavor to understand the perspectives that exist. THANK YOU: To Mike Duffy, of https://expandingideas.org and https://dailymystic.org for your insight, help, and recommendations on this channel. - Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal (early access to ad-free audio episodes!) - Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE - PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE - Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt - Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs - iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast... - Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b9... - Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeveryt... - TOE Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerch LINKS MENTIONED: - Podcast w/ Susan Schneider on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmQXp... - Reality Plus (David Chalmers): https://amzn.to/473AKPw - Mindfest Playlist on TOE (Ai and Consciousness): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list... - Mindfest (official website): https://www.fau.edu/artsandletters/ne... - Talk by Ben Goertzel on AGI timelines: https://youtu.be/27zHyw_oHSI - Podcast with Ben Goertzel and Joscha Bach on Theolocution: https://youtu.be/xw7omaQ8SgA - Talk by Claudia Passos, Garrett Mindt, and Carlos Montemayor on Petri Minds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_YMc... - Stephen Wolfram talk on AI, ChatGPT: https://youtu.be/xHPQ_oSsJgg

Joscha is an artificial intelligence researcher, cognitive scientist, and philosopher known for his work on cognitive architectures and mind extension technologies. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus content and perks, visit: https://www.matthewgeleta.com/ Watch on YouTube. Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or any other podcast platform. Read the full transcript here. Follow me on LinkedIn or Twitter/X for episodes and infrequent social commentary. Timestamps: 0:00 Intro - AI risk 5:20 Transhumanism and mind uploading 10:20 Philosophy of self & mind 12:50 Is mind uploading physically possible? 21:50 Tele-transportation 24:50 Philosophy of self & mind - part 2 31:40 Gaia & hypergaia 37:05 Information processing & consciousness 54:10 AI risk & Eliezer Yudkowsky 1:03:10 AI regulation & control 1:11:25 Responsible AI development 1:27:26 AI intelligence explosion 1:36:23 Book recommendations & wrap

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdDM8YyV7RA Jesse Michels probes UAPs, David Grusch's claims of ufology, venture capital, and the private investment tied to this all. Listen now early and ad-free on Patreon https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal. Sponsors: - CoPilot: Start feeling fit and fabulous! Use this link https://go.mycopilot.com/TOE to start your free 14 day trial with your own personal trainer on CoPilot! NOTE: The perspectives expressed by guests don't necessarily mirror my own. There's a versicolored arrangement of people on TOE, each harboring distinct viewpoints, as part of my endeavor to understand the perspectives that exist. - Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal (early access to ad-free audio episodes!) - Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE - PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE - Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt - Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs - iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802 - Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e - Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything LINKS MENTIONED: - Doc w/ David Grusch on Jesse Michels (YouTube): https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw - Jesse Michels (YouTube Channel): https://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichels - A New Kind of Science (Stephen Wolfram): https://amzn.to/45C3yNP - Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World (René Girard): https://amzn.to/490VKb6 - Conspiracy (Ryan Holiday): https://amzn.to/3S4w6fH - Zero to One (Peter Thiel and Blake Masters): https://amzn.to/45AneBE - The Man Who Mastered Gravity (Paul Shotskin): https://amzn.to/3Q9e7SW - Podcast w/ Neil deGrasse Tyson on TOE: https://youtu.be/HhWWlJFwTqs - Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE: https://youtu.be/MQnGcX7oxms - Documentary on connections in the 1950s with quantum gravity research and anti-gravity or UFOs: https://youtu.be/eBA3RUxkZdc - Podcast w/ Jacques Vallee on TOE: https://youtu.be/uVo51khU8AE - News Nation Interview with Ross: https://youtu.be/x_9gTDXF9Vc - UFOs and Nukes documentary: https://youtu.be/jyTKETcxj0M - The Hunt for Zero Point (Nick Cook): https://amzn.to/3rPkUZQ - The Stars Are Too High (Agnew Banson): https://amzn.to/408nMNZ - Podcast w/ Hal Puthoff on Jesse's channel: https://youtu.be/iQOibpIDx-4 - Podcast w/ Avi Loeb on TOE: https://youtu.be/4j5S_-MCWq4 - Podcast w/ Leslie Kane on TOE: https://youtu.be/j1fN5Gxm9fk - Podcast w/ Jeffrey Mishlove on TOE: https://youtu.be/VFpHk9WqCrY - Why the Soylent Green Creator Went to Goat Farm: https://youtu.be/HUGNqAyBUDw - Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE (Part 1): https://youtu.be/JM3kxeU_oDE - Podcast w/ John Greenwald on TOE: https://youtu.be/NzXPsWQqoYw - Theo Von's channel: https://youtu.be/1cziCepYeEM?t=4673 - Podcast w/ Joscha Bach on TOE: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI - Podcast w/ Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc TIMESTAMPS: - 00:00:55 Interviewing David Grusch... - 00:09:00 The fight against misinformation in UFO studies - 00:13:07 The intersection of consciousness and parapsychology - 00:16:24 String theory and what physics is - 00:20:46 Jesse's relationship with Grusch - 00:25:59 Reverse engineering programs (the greatest PSYOP of all time) - 00:37:00 Oppenheimer's involvement in UFO research? - 00:51:00 Theories behind UFO crashes - 01:20:00 Lessons from investment failures - 01:41:53 UFOs and the private sector (the Wilson memo and AATIP) - 01:50:01 Unseen parts of the Grusch interview (Roger Penrose's theory, multiverses) - 02:03:05 The best evidence for UFOs - 02:10:23 The mystery of Edward Leedskallen (Coral Stone Park) - 02:22:08 Anomalies pointing to new scientific paradigms - 02:35:03 Catastrophic predictions for 2024 from Grusch (what did he mean?) - 02:38:32 Criticism from Avi Loeb - 02:52:59 Advice for studying the phenomenon - 03:00:17 Curt's disappointment in UFO "revelations" lacking tangible evidence Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Confusing the distorted version of reality you've created in your mind with truth and perception causes people more suffering than most would ever admit to. In today's episode, I'm joined by an expert with cognitive science and artificial intelligence, to discuss what you need to know about the self-generated simulation you've created and how to ensure you live the life you want, well. Joscha Bach, is a trailblazing AI researcher reshaping our understanding of mind and universe. Known for his groundbreaking work in cognitive architecture, his revolutionary insights offer a fresh perspective on artificial intelligence. He's an essential voice in this generation that has grabbed my attention, and will grab yours as well.. In today's episode Joshca walks through self-generated simulations and the possibilities of humans merging consciousness with artificial intelligence, plus: The nature of reality, free will, and consciousness. Stages of reality and perception develop your ability to self-control AI's need for desire and goals. As an artificial intelligence researcher and cognitive scientist, Joscha Bach's fresh perspectives and insights may send your mind spinning and it may also trigger your flight responses. Bringing you episodes like this, breaks down preconceived notions and creates new opportunities. SPONSORS: Get 5 free AG1 Travel Packs and a FREE 1 year supply of Vitamin D with your first purchase at https://bit.ly/AG1Impact. Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://bit.ly/ShopifyImpact and supercharge your business! Get FREE GROUND BEEF FOR LIFE plus $20 off your first box at https://bit.ly/ButcherBoxImpact. Get 55% off at https://bit.ly/BabbelImpact and learn a new language today! 20% off your entire order when you head to https://bit.ly/RhoneImpact and use code IMPACT. It's time to find your corner office comfort. Are You Ready for EXTRA Impact? If you're ready to find true fulfillment, strengthen your focus, and ignite your true potential, the Impact Theory subscription was created just for you. Want to transform your health, sharpen your mindset, improve your relationship, or conquer the business world? This is your epicenter of greatness.  This is not for the faint of heart. This is for those who dare to learn obsessively, every day, day after day. Subscription Benefits: Unlock the gates to a treasure trove of wisdom from inspiring guests like Andrew Huberman, Mel Robbins, Hal Elrod, Matthew McConaughey, and many, many, more New episodes delivered ad-free Exclusive access to Tom's AMAs, keynote speeches, and suggestions from his personal reading list You'll also get access to an 5 additional podcasts with hundreds of archived Impact Theory episodes, meticulously curated into themed playlists covering health, mindset, business, relationships, and more: Legendary Mindset: Mindset & Self-Improvement Money Mindset: Business & Finance Relationship Theory: Relationships Health Theory: Mental & Physical Health Power Ups: Weekly Doses of Short Motivational Quotes  Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PCvJaz Subscribe on all other platforms (Google Podcasts, Spotify, Castro, Downcast, Overcast, Pocket Casts, Podcast Addict, Podcast Republic, Podkicker, and more) : https://impacttheorynetwork.supercast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Confusing the distorted version of reality you've created in your mind with truth and perception causes people more suffering than most would ever admit to. In today's episode, I'm joined by an expert with cognitive science and artificial intelligence, to discuss what you need to know about the self-generated simulation you've created and how to ensure you live the life you want, well. Joscha Bach, is a trailblazing AI researcher reshaping our understanding of mind and universe. Known for his groundbreaking work in cognitive architecture, his revolutionary insights offer a fresh perspective on artificial intelligence. He's an essential voice in this generation that has grabbed my attention, and will grab yours as well.. In today's episode Joshca walks through self-generated simulations and the possibilities of humans merging consciousness with artificial intelligence, plus: The nature of reality, free will, and consciousness. Stages of reality and perception develop your ability to self-control AI's need for desire and goals. As an artificial intelligence researcher and cognitive scientist, Joscha Bach's fresh perspectives and insights may send your mind spinning and it may also trigger your flight responses. Bringing you episodes like this, breaks down preconceived notions and creates new opportunities. Follow Joscha Bach: Website: http://bach.ai/  Twitter: http://twitter.com/plinz SPONSORS: Get 5 free AG1 Travel Packs and a FREE 1 year supply of Vitamin D with your first purchase at https://bit.ly/AG1Impact. Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://bit.ly/ShopifyImpact and supercharge your business! Get FREE GROUND BEEF FOR LIFE plus $20 off your first box at https://bit.ly/ButcherBoxImpact. Get 55% off at https://bit.ly/BabbelImpact and learn a new language today! Are You Ready for EXTRA Impact? If you're ready to find true fulfillment, strengthen your focus, and ignite your true potential, the Impact Theory subscription was created just for you. Want to transform your health, sharpen your mindset, improve your relationship, or conquer the business world? This is your epicenter of greatness.  This is not for the faint of heart. This is for those who dare to learn obsessively, every day, day after day. Subscription Benefits: Unlock the gates to a treasure trove of wisdom from inspiring guests like Andrew Huberman, Mel Robbins, Hal Elrod, Matthew McConaughey, and many, many, more New episodes delivered ad-free Exclusive access to Tom's AMAs, keynote speeches, and suggestions from his personal reading list You'll also get access to an 5 additional podcasts with hundreds of archived Impact Theory episodes, meticulously curated into themed playlists covering health, mindset, business, relationships, and more: Legendary Mindset: Mindset & Self-Improvement Money Mindset: Business & Finance Relationship Theory: Relationships Health Theory: Mental & Physical Health Power Ups: Weekly Doses of Short Motivational Quotes  Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PCvJaz Subscribe on all other platforms (Google Podcasts, Spotify, Castro, Downcast, Overcast, Pocket Casts, Podcast Addict, Podcast Republic, Podkicker, and more) : https://impacttheorynetwork.supercast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jim talks with Robert Sapolsky about the ideas in his book Determined: A Science of Life Without Free Will. They discuss what motivates his writing about the topic, turtles all the way down, closing off the escape valves, the general critique of determinism, 4 positions on free will, naturalism vs determinism, intent, free will vs agency, Phineas Gage's famous brain injury, disruption of cognitive abilities, the limitations of metacognition, Benjamin Libet's volition experiments, why consciousness research doesn't have to do with free will, free won't, the theory of grit, an update to the marshmallow test, cusp decisions, deterministic chaos, the De Broglie-Bohm theory, New Age quantum bullshit, emergent complexity, downward causality, how attention determines who we become, the noble lie, why rejecting free will doesn't make people less ethical, and much more. Episode Transcript Determined: A Science of Life Without Free Will, by Robert Sapolsky JRS EP105 - Christof Koch on Consciousness JRS EP 148 - Antonio de Masio on Feeling and Knowing JRS EP 178 - Anil Seth on A New Science of Consciousness JRS EP108 - Bernard Baars on Consciousness JRS Currents 083: Joscha Bach on Synethic Intelligence Robert M. Sapolsky is the author of several works of nonfiction, including A Primate's Memoir, The Trouble with Testosterone, and Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers. His most recent book, Behave, was a New York Times bestseller and named a best book of the year by The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal. He is a professor of biology and neurology at Stanford University and the recipient of a MacArthur Foundation “Genius Grant.” He and his wife live in San Francisco.

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw7omaQ8SgA Joscha Bach meets with Ben Goertzel to discuss cognitive architectures, AGI, and conscious computers in another theolocution on TOE. - Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal (early access to ad-free audio episodes!) - Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE - PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE - Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt - Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs - iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast... - Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b9... - Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeveryt... - TOE Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerch LINKS MENTIONED: - OpenCog (Ben's Ai company): https://opencog.org - SingularityNET (Ben's Decentralized Ai company): https://singularitynet.io - Podcast w/ Joscha Bach on TOE: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI - Podcast w/ Ben Goertzel on TOE: https://youtu.be/27zHyw_oHSI - Podcast w/ Michael Levin and Joscha on TOE: https://youtu.be/kgMFnfB5E_A - Podcast w/ John Vervaeke and Joscha on TOE: https://youtu.be/rK7ux_JhHM4 - Podcast w/ Donald Hoffman and Joscha on TOE: https://youtu.be/bhSlYfVtgww TIMESTAMPS: - 00:00:00 Introduction - 00:02:23 Computation vs Awareness - 00:06:11 The paradox of language and self-contradiction - 00:10:05 The metaphysical categories of Charles Peirce - 00:13:00 Zen Buddhism's category of zero - 00:14:18 Carl Jung's interpretation of four - 00:21:22 Language as "representation" - 00:28:48 Computational reality vs AGI - 00:33:06 Consciousness in particles - 00:44:18 Anesthesia and consciousness: Joscha's personal perspective - 00:54:36 Levels of consciousness levels (panpsychism vs functionalism) - 00:56:23 Deep neural nets & LLMs as steps backward from AGI? - 01:05:04 Emergent properties of LLMs - 01:12:26 Turing-completeness and its implications - 01:15:08 OpenAI's bold claims challenged - 01:24:24 Future of AGI - 01:31:58 Intelligent species after human extinction - 01:36:33 Emergence of a cosmic mind - 01:43:56 The timeline to AGI development - 01:52:16 The physics of immortality - 01:54:00 Critique of Integrated Information Theory (pseudoscience?) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Joscha Bach (who defines himself as an AI researcher/cognitive scientist) has recently been debating existential risk from AI with Connor Leahy (previous guest of the podcast), and since their conversation was quite short I wanted to continue the debate in more depth. The resulting conversation ended up being quite long (over 3h of recording), with a lot of tangents, but I think this gives a somewhat better overview of Joscha's views on AI risk than other similar interviews. We also discussed a lot of other topics, that you can find in the outline below. A raw version of this interview was published on Patreon about three weeks ago. To support the channel and have access to early previews, you can subscribe here: https://www.patreon.com/theinsideview Youtube: ⁠https://youtu.be/YeXHQts3xYM⁠ Transcript: https://theinsideview.ai/joscha Host: https://twitter.com/MichaelTrazzi Joscha: https://twitter.com/Plinz OUTLINE (00:00) Intro (00:57) Why Barbie Is Better Than Oppenheimer (08:55) The relationship between nuclear weapons and AI x-risk (12:51) Global warming and the limits to growth (20:24) Joscha's reaction to the AI Political compass memes (23:53) On Uploads, Identity and Death (33:06) The Endgame: Playing The Longest Possible Game Given A Superposition Of Futures (37:31) On the evidence of delaying technology leading to better outcomes (40:49) Humanity is in locust mode (44:11) Scenarios in which Joscha would delay AI (48:04) On the dangers of AI regulation (55:34) From longtermist doomer who thinks AGI is good to 6x6 political compass (01:00:08) Joscha believes in god in the same sense as he believes in personal selves (01:05:45) The transition from cyanobacterium to photosynthesis as an allegory for technological revolutions (01:17:46) What Joscha would do as Aragorn in Middle-Earth (01:25:20) The endgame of brain computer interfaces is to liberate our minds and embody thinking molecules (01:28:50) Transcending politics and aligning humanity (01:35:53) On the feasibility of starting an AGI lab in 2023 (01:43:19) Why green teaming is necessary for ethics (01:59:27) Joscha's Response to Connor Leahy on "if you don't do that, you die Joscha. You die" (02:07:54) Aligning with the agent playing the longest game (02:15:39) Joscha's response to Connor on morality (02:19:06) Caring about mindchildren and actual children equally (02:20:54) On finding the function that generates human values (02:28:54) Twitter And Reddit Questions: Joscha's AGI timelines and p(doom) (02:35:16) Why European AI regulations are bad for AI research (02:38:13) What regulation would Joscha Bach pass as president of the US (02:40:16) Is Open Source still beneficial today? (02:42:26) How to make sure that AI loves humanity (02:47:42) The movie Joscha would want to live in (02:50:06) Closing message for the audience

Joscha Bach is a cognitive scientist, AI researcher, and philosopher. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - Numerai: https://numer.ai/lex - Eight Sleep: https://www.eightsleep.com/lex to get special savings - MasterClass: https://masterclass.com/lex to get 15% off - AG1: https://drinkag1.com/lex to get 1 month supply of fish oil Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/joscha-bach-3-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Joscha's Twitter: https://twitter.com/Plinz Joscha's Website: http://bach.ai Joscha's Substack: https://substack.com/@joscha PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: - Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) - Introduction (06:26) - Stages of life (18:48) - Identity (25:24) - Enlightenment (31:55) - Adaptive Resonance Theory (38:42) - Panpsychism (48:42) - How to think (56:36) - Plants communication (1:14:31) - Fame (1:40:09) - Happiness (1:47:26) - Artificial consciousness (1:59:35) - Suffering (2:04:19) - Eliezer Yudkowsky (2:11:55) - e/acc (Effective Accelerationism) (2:17:33) - Mind uploading (2:28:22) - Vision Pro (2:32:36) - Open source AI (2:45:29) - Twitter (2:52:44) - Advice for young people (2:55:40) - Meaning of life

Support us! https://www.patreon.com/mlst MLST Discord: https://discord.gg/aNPkGUQtc5 Twitter: https://twitter.com/MLStreetTalk The first 10 mins of audio from Joscha isn't great, it improves after. Transcript and longer summary: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TUJhlSVbrHf2vWoe6p7xL5tlTK_BGZ140QqqTudF8UI/edit?usp=sharing Dr. Joscha Bach argued that general intelligence emerges from civilization, not individuals. Given our biological constraints, humans cannot achieve a high level of general intelligence on our own. Bach believes AGI may become integrated into all parts of the world, including human minds and bodies. He thinks a future where humans and AGI harmoniously coexist is possible if we develop a shared purpose and incentive to align. However, Bach is uncertain about how AI progress will unfold or which scenarios are most likely. Bach argued that global control and regulation of AI is unrealistic. While regulation may address some concerns, it cannot stop continued progress in AI. He believes individuals determine their own values, so "human values" cannot be formally specified and aligned across humanity. For Bach, the possibility of building beneficial AGI is exciting but much work is still needed to ensure a positive outcome. Connor Leahy believes we have more control over the future than the default outcome might suggest. With sufficient time and effort, humanity could develop the technology and coordination to build a beneficial AGI. However, the default outcome likely leads to an undesirable scenario if we do not actively work to build a better future. Leahy thinks finding values and priorities most humans endorse could help align AI, even if individuals disagree on some values. Leahy argued a future where humans and AGI harmoniously coexist is ideal but will require substantial work to achieve. While regulation faces challenges, it remains worth exploring. Leahy believes limits to progress in AI exist but we are unlikely to reach them before humanity is at risk. He worries even modestly superhuman intelligence could disrupt the status quo if misaligned with human values and priorities. Overall, Bach and Leahy expressed optimism about the possibility of building beneficial AGI but believe we must address risks and challenges proactively. They agreed substantial uncertainty remains around how AI will progress and what scenarios are most plausible. But developing a shared purpose between humans and AI, improving coordination and control, and finding human values to help guide progress could all improve the odds of a beneficial outcome. With openness to new ideas and willingness to consider multiple perspectives, continued discussions like this one could help ensure the future of AI is one that benefits and inspires humanity. TOC: 00:00:00 - Introduction and Background 00:02:54 - Different Perspectives on AGI 00:13:59 - The Importance of AGI 00:23:24 - Existential Risks and the Future of Humanity 00:36:21 - Coherence and Coordination in Society 00:40:53 - Possibilities and Future of AGI 00:44:08 - Coherence and alignment 01:08:32 - The role of values in AI alignment 01:18:33 - The future of AGI and merging with AI 01:22:14 - The limits of AI alignment 01:23:06 - The scalability of intelligence 01:26:15 - Closing statements and future prospects

Joscha Bach is a German artificial intelligence researcher and cognitive scientist who works on on cognitive architectures, mental representation, emotion, social modeling, and multi-agent systems. We got connected over the hard problem of consciousness - namely, why do people seem to think it's so hard? During our conversation we deal with the foundational questions of the technological future being built in Silicon Valley, the fever dream of machine intelligence, and try to understand why people seem to think that there's even such a thing as the hard problem of consciousness in the first place. Support the scientific revolution by joining our Patreon: https://bit.ly/3lcAasB Tell us what you think in the comments or on our Discord: https://discord.gg/MJzKT8CQub #AGI #consciousness #machinelearning Check our short-films channel, @DemystifySci: https://www.youtube.com/c/DemystifyingScience AND our material science investigations of atomics, @MaterialAtomics https://www.youtube.com/@MaterialAtomics Join our mailing list https://bit.ly/3v3kz2S PODCAST INFO: Anastasia completed her PhD studying bioelectricity at Columbia University. When not talking to brilliant people or making movies, she spends her time painting, reading, and guiding backcountry excursions. Shilo also did his PhD at Columbia studying the elastic properties of molecular water. When he's not in the film studio, he's exploring sound in music. They are both freelance professors at various universities. - Blog: http://DemystifySci.com/blog - RSS: https://anchor.fm/s/2be66934/podcast/rss - Donate: https://bit.ly/3wkPqaD - Swag: https://bit.ly/2PXdC2y SOCIAL: - Discord: https://discord.gg/MJzKT8CQub - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/DemystifySci - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/DemystifySci/ - Twitter: https://twitter.com/DemystifySci MUSIC: -Shilo Delay: https://g.co/kgs/oty671

In this insightful interview with Joscha Bach, a cognitive scientist and AI researcher, Vance explores various topics ranging from personal experiences to parenting challenges and the importance of community. They delve into the complexities of the monetary system, the concept of a network state, and the societal implications of rapid cannabis proliferation. Joscha Bach shares his observations on the pressures faced by parents, the impact of modern life on parenting, and the value of presence and interaction in nurturing children. They discuss the use of drugs like SSRIs as an attempt to adapt to an overwhelming life and the consequences on one's mindset. The conversation also revolves around finding meaning and hope in a world that may seem devoid of purpose. Joscha Bach highlights the significance of creative endeavors and building connections within communities as pathways to personal fulfillment. The interview concludes with a mention of Joscha Bach's use of Twitter as an interactive notebook and his YouTube channel featuring thought-provoking presentations.Website: http://bach.ai/Twtter: https://twitter.com/Plinz?s=20“The Egg by Andy Weir” : https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaIBook a Legacy Interview | https://legacyinterviews.com/ —A Legacy Interview is a two-hour recorded interview with you and a host that can be watched now and viewed in the future. It is a recording of what you experienced, the lessons you learned and the family values you want passed down. We will interview you or a loved one, capturing the sound of their voice, wisdom and a sense of who they are. These recorded conversations will be private, reserved only for the people that you want to share it with.Join the Articulate Ventures Network | https://network.articulate.ventures/ —We are a patchwork of thinkers that want to articulate ideas in a forum where they can be respectfully challenged, improved and celebrated so that we can explore complex subjects, learn from those we disagree with and achieve our personal & professional goals.Contact Vance for a Talk | https://www.vancecrowe.com/ —Vance delivers speeches that reveal important aspects of human communication.  Audiences are entertained, engaged, and leave feeling empowered to change something about the way they are communicating.  Vance tells stories about his own experiences, discusses theories in ways that make them relatable and highlights interesting people, books, and media that the audience can learn even more from. Join the #ATCF Book Club | https://www.vancecrowe.com/atcf-book-club

In this episode of What That Means, we have an extended version of Camille's conversation with Joscha Bach about machine consciousness. Bach is a research fellow and expert in AI and cognitive computing. They talk about the definition of consciousness, the possibilities of artificial intelligence, and the difficult ethical conversations about AI. The views and opinions expressed are those of the guests and author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Intel Corporation.

In this episode of the Smarter Not Harder Podcast, our guest Dr. Joscha Bach joins our host Dr. Ted Achacoso to give one-cent solutions to life's $64,000 questions that include:  Will physicians and other healthcare providers be replaced by AI technologies? Can AI help solve the most frightening aspects of US healthcare, or are we beyond solutions? What is the future of conscious machines?   Dr. Joscha Bach is a renowned AI researcher and cognitive scientist, known for his work in understanding the complex architecture of the human mind. Dr. Bach holds a Ph.D. in Cognitive Science from the University of Osnabrück in Germany, and has worked as a research scientist at the MIT Media Lab, as an affiliate at the Harvard Program for Evolutionary Dynamics, and as Principal AI Engineer at Intel Labs Cognitive Computing group. He has published extensively on cognitive architectures, mental representation, emotion, social modeling, and multi-agent systems. This may be the very first recorded conversation with Dr. Bach that is centered on the role of AI in medicine and health care. What we discuss: [00:00] Empathy is important, but it's also important to develop distance and reflection about yourself. [06:38] AI-generated medical suggestions can be useful but should not be the sole source of advice. [18:14] Alternative regulatory systems can compete with existing ones to introduce pressure for change. [23:51] Regulation can stifle innovation and harm new industries. [35:15] Automated decision tools can create a degree of fairness that you might otherwise not have. [40:52] Understanding death as a part of life and dying with dignity. [52:19] Building an empathetic AI is possible, but it requires a deep understanding of moral and ethical contexts. [57:33] AI's role in advancing diagnostics and therapeutics. [1:09:10] Simulation can aid in identifying factors but real-world context is important. [1:14:48] The only difference between a drug and a poison is the dose. [1:25:39] Exploring the relationship between biological life and consciousness. [1:31:17] Developing a self requires coupling to the world and discovering oneself in it. [1:42:10] Health optimization medicine regards the body as an ecosystem of cooperating and competing cells in the network. [1:47:49] AI can be helpful in healthcare, but professionals need to understand the formal tools to make progress. [1:58:45] Adaptive AI for industrial robots [2:04:30] Building meaningful relationships is the most important thing in life.   Find more from Smarter Not Harder: Website: https://troscriptions.com/blogs/podcast | https://homehope.org Instagram: @troscriptions | @homehopeorg   Find out more from Joscha Bach: Website: http://bach.ai/ Twitter: @plinz Get 10% Off Your Purchase of the Metabolomics Module by using PODCAST10 at https://www.homehope.org   Get 10% Off your Troscriptions purchase by using POD10 at https://www.troscriptions.com   Get daily content from the hosts of Smarter Not Harder by following @troscriptions on Instagram. 

Jim talks with Joscha Bach about current and future developments in the generative AI space. They discuss the skepticism of the press, small productive applications, questions about intellectual property rights, confabulation in human thinking, nanny rails, 3 approaches to AI alignment, Aquinas's 7 virtues, issues of consciousness-like agency, love as an answer to the alignment problem, the difficulty with fairness, serving shared sacredness, dealing with entropy, integrated information theory & its incompatibility with the Church-Turing thesis, neural Darwinism, a point where extrapolation & interpolation become the same, building an AI artist, free will, the capacity of human memory, consciousness as a conductor, the scaling hypothesis in AGI, making the system learn from its own thoughts, computation as a rewrite system, neurons as animals, and much more. Episode Transcript JRS EP72 - Joscha Bach on Minds, Machines & Magic JRS EP87 - Joscha Bach on Theories of Consciousness JRS EP 178 - Anil Seth on A New Science of Consciousness JRS EP108 - Bernard Baars on Consciousness JRS EP105 - Christof Koch on Consciousness JRS Currents 072: Ben Goertzel on Viable Paths to True AGI JRS EP137 - Ken Stanley on Neuroevolution Joscha Bach is a cognitive scientist working for MIT Media Lab and the Harvard Program for Evolutionary Dynamics. He earned his Ph.D. in cognitive science from the University of Osnabrück, Germany, and has built computational models of motivated decision making, perception, categorization, and concept-formation. He is especially interested in the philosophy of AI and in the augmentation of the human mind.

AI Helps Ukraine - Charity Conference A charity conference on AI to raise funds for medical and humanitarian aid for Ukraine https://aihelpsukraine.cc/ YT version: https://youtu.be/LgwjcqhkOA4 Support us! https://www.patreon.com/mlst Dr. Joscha Bach (born 1973 in Weimar, Germany) is a German artificial intelligence researcher and cognitive scientist focusing on cognitive architectures, mental representation, emotion, social modelling, and multi-agent systems. http://bach.ai/ https://twitter.com/plinz TOC: [00:00:00] Ukraine Charity Conference and NeurIPS 2022 [00:03:40] Theory of computation, Godel, Penrose [00:11:44] Modelling physical reality [00:15:19] Is our universe infinite? [00:24:30] Large language models, and on DL / is Gary Marcus hitting a wall? [00:45:17] Generative models / Codex / Language of thought [00:58:46] Consciousness (with Friston references) References: Am I Self-Conscious? (Or Does Self-Organization Entail Self-Consciousness?) [Friston] https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.00579/full Impact of Pretraining Term Frequencies on Few-Shot Reasoning [Yasaman Razeghi] https://arxiv.org/abs/2202.07206 Deep Learning Is Hitting a Wall [Gary Marcus] https://nautil.us/deep-learning-is-hitting-a-wall-238440/ Turing machines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_machine Lambda Calculus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_calculus Godel's incompletness theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems Oracle machine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_machine

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Jim talks with Ben Goertzel about the ideas in his recent essay "Three Viable Paths to True AGI." They discuss the meaning of artificial general intelligence, Steve Wozniak's basic AGI test, whether common tasks actually require AGI, a conversation with Joscha Bach, why deep neural nets are unsuited for human-level AGI, the challenge of extrapolating world-models, why imaginative improvisation might not be interesting to corporations, the 3 approaches that might have merit (cognition-level, brain-level, and chemistry-level), the OpenCog system Ben is working on, whether it's a case of "good old-fashioned AI," where evolution fits into the approach, why deep neural nets aren't brain simulations & attempts to make them more realistic, a hypothesis about how to improve generalization, neural nets for music & the psychological landscape of AGI research, algorithmic chemistry & the origins of life problem, why AGI deserves more resources than it's getting, why we may need better parallel architectures, how & how much society should invest in new approaches, the possibility of a cultural shift toward AGI viability, and much more. Episode Transcript "Three Viable Paths to True AGI," by Ben Goertzel (Substack) JRS Currents 025: Ben Goertzel on Decentralizing Social Media JRS EP3 - Dr. Ben Goertzel – OpenCog, AGI and SingularityNET JRS EP87 - Joscha Bach on Theories of Consciousness JRS EP25 - Gary Marcus on Rebooting AI OpenCog Hyperon "Algorithmic Chemistry," by Walter Fontana JRS EP 167 - Bruce Damer on the Origins of Life Dr. Ben Goertzel is a cross-disciplinary scientist, entrepreneur and author.  Born in Brazil to American parents, in 2020 after a long stretch living in Hong Kong he relocated his primary base of operations to a rural island near Seattle. He leads the SingularityNET Foundation, the OpenCog Foundation, and the AGI Society which runs the annual Artificial General Intelligence conference. Dr. Goertzel's research work encompasses multiple areas including artificial general intelligence, natural language processing, cognitive science, machine learning, computational finance, bioinformatics, virtual worlds, gaming, parapsychology, theoretical physics and more. He also chairs the futurist nonprofit Humanity+,  serves as Chief Scientist of AI firms  Rejuve, Mindplex, Cogito and Jam Galaxy, all parts of the SingularityNET ecosystem, and serves as keyboardist and vocalist in the Jam Galaxy Band, the first-ever band led by a humanoid robot.

What is intelligence? What exactly does an IQ test measure? What are the similarities and differences between the structure of GPT-3 and the structure of the human brain (so far as we understand it)? Is suffering — as the Buddhists might say — just a consequence of the stories we tell about ourselves and the world? What's left (if anything) of the human mind if we strip away the "animal" parts of it? We've used our understanding of the human brain to inform the construction of AI models, but have AI models yielded new insights about the human brain? Is the universe is a computer? Where does AI go from here?Joscha Bach was born in Eastern Germany, and he studied computer science and philosophy at Humboldt University in Berlin and computer science at Waikato University in New Zealand. He did his PhD at the Institute for Cognitive Science in Osnabrück by building a cognitive architecture called MicroPsi, which explored the interaction of motivation, emotion, and cognition. Joscha researched and lectured about the Future of AI at the MIT Media Lab and Harvard, and worked as VP for Research at a startup in San Francisco before joining Intel Labs as a principal researcher. Email him at joscha.bach@gmail.com, follow him on Twitter at @plinz, or subscribe to his YouTube channel.Further reading:The 7 Realms of Truth

Read the full transcript here. What is intelligence? What exactly does an IQ test measure? What are the similarities and differences between the structure of GPT-3 and the structure of the human brain (so far as we understand it)? Is suffering — as the Buddhists might say — just a consequence of the stories we tell about ourselves and the world? What's left (if anything) of the human mind if we strip away the "animal" parts of it? We've used our understanding of the human brain to inform the construction of AI models, but have AI models yielded new insights about the human brain? Is the universe is a computer? Where does AI go from here?Joscha Bach was born in Eastern Germany, and he studied computer science and philosophy at Humboldt University in Berlin and computer science at Waikato University in New Zealand. He did his PhD at the Institute for Cognitive Science in Osnabrück by building a cognitive architecture called MicroPsi, which explored the interaction of motivation, emotion, and cognition. Joscha researched and lectured about the Future of AI at the MIT Media Lab and Harvard, and worked as VP for Research at a startup in San Francisco before joining Intel Labs as a principal researcher. Email him at joscha.bach@gmail.com, follow him on Twitter at @plinz, or subscribe to his YouTube channel.Further reading:The 7 Realms of Truth [Read more]

Read the full transcriptWhat is intelligence? What exactly does an IQ test measure? What are the similarities and differences between the structure of GPT-3 and the structure of the human brain (so far as we understand it)? Is suffering — as the Buddhists might say — just a consequence of the stories we tell about ourselves and the world? What's left (if anything) of the human mind if we strip away the "animal" parts of it? We've used our understanding of the human brain to inform the construction of AI models, but have AI models yielded new insights about the human brain? Is the universe is a computer? Where does AI go from here?Joscha Bach was born in Eastern Germany, and he studied computer science and philosophy at Humboldt University in Berlin and computer science at Waikato University in New Zealand. He did his PhD at the Institute for Cognitive Science in Osnabrück by building a cognitive architecture called MicroPsi, which explored the interaction of motivation, emotion, and cognition. Joscha researched and lectured about the Future of AI at the MIT Media Lab and Harvard, and worked as VP for Research at a startup in San Francisco before joining Intel Labs as a principal researcher. Email him at joscha.bach@gmail.com, follow him on Twitter at @plinz, or subscribe to his YouTube channel.Further reading:The 7 Realms of Truth

YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzT4tcC-aag This episode has been released early in an ad-free audio version for TOE members at http://theoriesofeverything.org. Sponsors:  - Brilliant: https://brilliant.org/TOE for 20% off - Trade Coffee: https://drinktrade.com/everything for $30 off your first order plus free shipping *New* TOE Website (early access to episodes): https://theoriesofeverything.org/ Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802 Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything LINKS MENTIONED: - Matthew's Adopt Responsibility podcast: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzwP_qFSXmDs-79VMFmcQQw - Garrett's This Could Be Interesting podcast: https://www.youtube.com/c/ThisCouldBeInteresting - Physics Contest: https://youtu.be/V93GQaDtv8w - John Vervaeke: https://youtu.be/3p8o3-7mvQc - John and Bernardo: https://youtu.be/UWcTmeAs44I - John and Joscha Bach: https://youtu.be/rK7ux_JhHM4 - Iain McGilchrist on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-SgOwc6Pe4 - Iain's book (Master and His Emissary): https://amzn.to/3r7L064 - Iain's book (The Matter With Things): https://amzn.to/3LELdak TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00 Introduction 00:05:44 Iain on the "meaning crisis" 00:09:29 John on the "meaning crisis" 00:15:10 Technology amplifies our lack of wisdom 00:18:26 Rationality and Belief (Iain vs. John) 00:28:35 Imaginary vs. Imaginal 00:37:03 Non-theism vs. Religion (against meditation as spiritual redress) 00:53:38 Not doing vs. Un-doing vs. Being passive vs. Un-Knowing 01:09:22 The way God sees us vs. The way we see God 01:22:06 Sam Harris, Closing yourself off to the Divine, and Terror 01:29:20 The importance of Sangha (community), and how can John's neoplatonism work? 01:40:43 Faith, Whitehead, and Reciprocal Opening 01:47:56 Against "being present" 01:54:58 Marrying a religion 02:04:24 Should we certainly give up on certainty? 02:06:06 On not speaking and the un-making of TOE 02:08:14 John and Iain summate Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices