Podcast appearances and mentions of Jonathan Stark

Thought leadership expert Bill Sherman joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss how experts can scale their ideas to create impactful thought leadership. Bill shares insights from his extensive experience in helping individuals and organizations codify and amplify their ideas.In this episode, we delve into the nuances of thought leadership, from defining it to exploring business models and the importance of a focused target audience. Bill also discusses the impact equation and how to effectively communicate ideas to create lasting influence.00:00 - Introduction to Bill Sherman00:19 - Journey into Thought Leadership01:51 - Defining Thought Leadership05:41 - Emerging Thought Leaders08:44 - The Thought Leadership Handbook13:09 - Business Models of Thought Leadership16:49 - Target Audience Importance21:49 - Licensing and Certification25:09 - Alternatives to Writing a Book33:39 - Impact Equation43:47 - Final ThoughtsGuest bioBill Sherman is the COO of Thought Leadership Leverage and lead author of The Thought Leadership Handbook. For more than twenty years he's helped executives, authors, and experts take their ideas to scale — and he co-hosts the Leveraging Thought Leadership podcast, now past 700 episodes.Website » https://aha-moments.com/Book » https://thoughtleadershiphandbook.com/LinkedIn » https://www.linkedin.com/in/bill-sherman-aha-moments/Podcast » https://thoughtleadershipleverage.com/thought-leadership-podcasts/

Pricing strategist Shannon Mattern joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss how to present pricing options in a project proposal based on the mindset of the buyer: investment-minded, expense-minded, and hustle-minded. In this episode, we dive into Shannon's Package Matrix method, a framework she developed to offer clients different levels of service and pricing options. We explore how to implement this strategy, manage client expectations, and ensure timely payments.00:00 Introduction00:25 Shannon's Background01:24 Overcoming Pricing Challenges02:24 Package Matrix Method06:23 Implementing Package Matrix10:58 Sales Process and Payment Terms17:21 Handling Client Delays20:58 Sales Cycle and Proposal Strategy28:03 Presenting Proposals39:51 Follow-up and Decision Deadlines47:19 Final Thoughts and ResourcesShannon Mattern is a pricing strategist and the creator of the Package Matrix™ Method. She's also the host of the Profitable Web Designer and Anchor High podcasts, and founder of Web Designer Academy, where she helps women web designers move from undercharging to premium pricing. You can connect with Shannon at https://shannonmattern.com or on LinkedIn at https://linkedin.com/in/shannonmattern

”Expertise whisperer” Wes Wheless joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about turning corporate expertise into a solo consulting business. We talked about his new book, The Expert's Privilege, how corporate professionals can recognize transferable expertise, why visual IP helps consultants explain their work, and what to do before making the leap from employee to independent consultant.Chapters01:35 - From Corporate to Consulting03:48 - Pivoting Toward Solo Consultants06:16 - Daily Email, Authority, and Visual IP11:46 - The Expert's Privilege18:36 - Why Corporate Experts Undervalue Their Skills23:23 - Excavating Your Expertise27:18 - Finding Your Zone of Genius32:44 - From Self-Examination to Market Validation35:30 - What to Do Before You Leave Corporate40:22 - A Book Is FOR Someone44:23 - Writing the Book With Support52:06 - Launch Strategy and Early ResultsAbout WesWes Wheless is an "expertise whisperer," founder of Develop My IP, and creator of The Lightbulb, a daily email for corporates-turned-consultants.After two consecutive tech layoffs, Wes traded a 20-year corporate career spanning consulting, enterprise, and startups for a solo practice helping experts turn their knowledge into IP, frameworks, and "intellectual headshots."Wes holds business degrees from The Wharton School and Kellogg School of Management and lives in Seattle, Washington. The Expert's Privilege is his first book.LinksResources & Services: weswheless.comThe Expert's Privilege: wesbook.comBuy on Amazon: buywesbook.comThe Lightbulb email: lightbulbemail.comFen Druadin, Book Midwife: fendruadin.com (00:00) - Introduction (01:35) - From Corporate to Consulting (03:48) - Pivoting Toward Solo Consultants (06:16) - Daily Email, Authority, and Visual IP (11:46) - The Expert's Privilege (18:36) - Why Corporate Experts Undervalue Their Skills (23:23) - Excavating Your Expertise (27:18) - Finding Your Zone of Genius (32:44) - From Self-Examination to Market Validation (35:30) - What to Do Before You Leave Corporate (40:22) - A Book Is for Someone (44:23) - Writing the Book With Support (52:06) - Launch Strategy and Early Results (55:31) - Where to Find Wes ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

In this episode, Bradley sits down with Jonathan Stark, a former software developer who now helps consultants escape hourly billing. Jonathan shares the moment he realized his firm made the most profit on its most junior developer, and how that single observation pushed him to abandon the time for money model entirely.They discuss productized services, value-based pricing, and why selling your hours puts an artificial ceiling on your income. Jonathan makes the case for growing a business without hiring, explains the difference between automation and delegation, and shares how AI agents now handle the dozens of micro steps buried inside his own workflows.This conversation moves beyond pricing tactics and into how you want to spend your day. What do you actually want your business to give you? Is hiring the only way to grow, or the default you never stopped to question? And where does AI create real leverage instead of noise? If you want to build a business around the life you want rather than the size you think you need, this conversation is for you.Visit https://workshop.blueprintos.com to register for the upcoming Above The Business workshop.Pick up the book Jonathan referenced on growing without hiring, Company of One by Paul Jarvis: https://a.co/d/0gDK3OOW Thanks to our sponsorsCoach P ConsultingCoach P found great success as an insurance agent and agency owner, leading a large and stable team of top-performing professionals. Today, he shares the systems, delegation strategies, and specialization methods he developed along the way. Gain access to weekly training calls and mentoring at:https://www.coachpconsulting.comBe sure to mention you heard about it on the Above The Business Podcast.Autopilot RecruitingAutopilot Recruiting helps small business owners solve staffing challenges by taking the stress out of hiring. Their dedicated recruiters work on your behalf every business day, optimizing your applicant tracking system, posting job listings, and sourcing candidates through social media and local communities.https://www.autopilotrecruiting.comMention Above The Business Podcast when you reach out.Direct ClicksDirect Clicks is built by business owners, for business owners. They specialize in custom marketing solutions that drive real results. From paid search campaigns to SEO and social media management, they provide comprehensive digital marketing support to help your business grow.Exclusive offer for listeners:https://directclicksinc.com/abovethebusinessGet a free marketing campaign audit and actionable recommendations.About Above The BusinessAbove The Business is hosted by Bradley Hamner, founder of BlueprintOS, and focuses on helping small business owners transition from Rainmaker to Architect by building systems, teams, and operations that scale.

Author, financial advisor, and former management consultant Brian Herriot joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about pursuing time freedom before financial freedom.Brian and I talk about his new book Time Freedom, the difference between time freedom and financial freedom, how flexible work can bridge the gap, and what he learned from using early readers, workshops, and hybrid publishing to turn his ideas into a book.Chapters00:00 - Brian's Time Freedom Story02:58 - Why Brian Wrote the Book05:30 - Choosing Hybrid Publishing09:53 - Building the Business Behind the Book12:16 - Time Freedom vs Financial Freedom16:46 - Making Nine Months Cover Twelve19:47 - Remote Work and Flexible Work23:18 - Who Can Actually Do This?27:17 - Early Readers and Draft Feedback31:51 - Tools for Testing a Book33:32 - Testing Ideas Before Writing36:00 - Writing the First Draft40:26 - The Time Freedom Framework46:52 - Writing a Better Ending50:44 - Counterintuitive Money AdviceResources We MentionedTime Freedom preorder pageTime Freedom CalculatorTime Freedom PodcastBrian Herriot on LinkedInWrite a Must-Read by AJ HarperAJ HarperPage Two SimplifiedMike MichalowiczMike Michalowicz on The Business of AuthorityWrite Useful Books / Rob FitzpatrickHelp This BookHeroic Public SpeakingCharlie Hoehn on The Knowledge Project with Shane ParrishGuest BioBrian Herriot is the founder of Time Freedom and the author of Time Freedom: Rethink Your Work and Money to Create a Life You Love Now. He is an author, speaker, registered investment advisor, financial advisor, business consultant, and co-host of The Time Freedom Podcast. His professional background includes management consulting roles at Accenture and Point B, as well as a director position at UCSF Health. Learn more at https://timefreedom.life/. (00:00) - Brian's Time Freedom Story (02:58) - Why Brian Wrote the Book (05:30) - Choosing Hybrid Publishing (09:53) - Building the Business Behind the Book (12:16) - Time Freedom vs Financial Freedom (16:46) - Making Nine Months Cover Twelve (19:47) - Remote Work and Flexible Work (23:18) - Who Can Actually Do This? (27:17) - Early Readers and Draft Feedback (31:51) - Tools for Testing a Book (33:32) - Testing Ideas Before Writing (36:00) - Writing the First Draft (40:26) - The Time Freedom Framework (46:52) - Writing a Better Ending (50:44) - Counterintuitive Money Advice ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

In this episode, Jacob Cass & Matt Davies sits down with Jonathan Stark, pricing expert, author of Hourly Billing Is Nuts, host of Ditching Hourly, and co-host of The Business of Authority, to unpack why trading time for money is such a poor fit for expert work. Together, Jacob, Matt and Jonathan explore the difference between fixed fees and true value pricing, how to run better sales conversations, why pricing is deeply connected to positioning, and how authority changes the way clients buy. They also discuss the psychology of charging more, why creatives often underprice their own judgment, and the practical first steps for ditching hourly without blowing up your business overnight. If you are tired of selling hours, defending rates, or being compared against cheaper alternatives, this episode will help you rethink what you are really selling and how to build a business around expertise, not availability.

Business development director and Raleigh commercial real estate enthusiast Jed Byrne joined me on Ditching Hourly to walk through the entire process of self-publishing his first book, Start Small Selling, from idea validation to Kickstarter funding to final production.We cover testing your book idea with real money, writing a first draft in 35 days, running a Kickstarter campaign to fund professional editing, finding and working with developmental editors, designing a book cover on a budget, and publishing through KDP and Lulu.Chapters(00:00) - Who Is Jed Byrne? (03:19) - The Hyper-Local Newsletter (07:59) - Why Write a Book? (11:41) - Testing the Idea (14:05) - The Writing Process (21:56) - The Kickstarter (31:04) - Building the Editing Team (36:23) - The Timeline (45:49) - Working with a Developmental Editor (52:40) - Designing the Cover (57:26) - Publishing with KDP and Lulu (01:00:00) - Start Small, Start Now Guest BioJed Byrne is a business development director at Barnhill Building Group, a North Carolina-based general contracting firm. Outside his day job, he runs Oak City CRE, a platform focused on Raleigh commercial real estate that includes a weekly Substack newsletter, a podcast, consulting, and his first book, Start Small Selling. You can reach Jed at books@oakcitycre.com.Resources Mentioned In This EpisodePeopleJed ByrneJed Byrne on LinkedInJonathan StarkTim FerrissSeth GodinNoah KaganRob FitzpatrickTucker MaxPat FlynnChandler BoltTim GrahlRochelle MoultonCorey QuinnMike MichalowiczDerek SiversDaniel PinkJed / Raleigh / AECOak City CREThe Top Five by Oak City CREDirt NC podcastBarnhill Building GroupStart Small Selling KickstarterStart Small Selling on AmazonUrban Land InstituteULI TriangleJed's book email from the episode - books@oakcitycre.comBooks / Book-Building ResourcesMillion Dollar Weekend by Noah KaganThe Mom Test by Rob FitzpatrickWrite Useful Books by Rob FitzpatrickHelp This BookThe Workshop Survival GuideThe Scribe MethodSelfPublishing.com / Self-Publishing SchoolReedsyEditorial Freelancers AssociationChicago Manual of StyleISBNs / BowkerAtticusPublishing / Production / Selling PlatformsKickstarterAmazon KDPLuluBlurbShopifyUpworkFiverrOtterpineMicrosoft WordCanvaInkscapeUSPS Media MailPodcast / Episode ReferencesMike Michalowicz on The Business of Authority ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Principal at Superstruct and author David Guttman joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about using OpenClaw and AI agents to delegate outcomes instead of micromanaging code.We talked about AI employees, chat-based agents, why OpenClaw feels different from coding tools, how David qualifies repeatable tasks for delegation, secure setup choices like Tailscale, and what collapsing software costs could mean for developers who still sell their time.(00:00) - Introduction to David Guttman (00:41) - From Superstruct Teams to AI Employees (05:19) - Testing Devin Against a Human Engineer (09:39) - What OpenClaw Adds to AI Agents (11:40) - Vibe Coding from Anywhere (15:52) - Pretending You Do Not Know How to Code (21:13) - Software Quality, Risk, and Real Requirements (23:56) - How OpenClaw Has Changed (31:52) - Qualifying Tasks for an AI Employee (37:07) - The Secure OpenClaw Setup Process (40:38) - Local Machines vs Cloud Servers (45:52) - Tailscale and Remote Access Security (48:08) - Teaching Clients to Train Their Agent (53:02) - Ask the Agent Before Asking the Expert (01:00:44) - Life-Changing Client Use Cases (01:03:34) - Disposable Software and the Future of Developers (01:09:44) - Productivity, Pricing, and Value (01:13:31) - Where to Find David David Guttman is the Principal at Superstruct, where he helps solopreneurs and founders set up AI employees. He is the author of The Superstruct Manifesto, as well as Fullstack Node.js and Fullstack React, and has held engineering leadership roles at Outlier.org and Interlincx after earlier work with Disney and AT&T Interactive. Learn more at davidguttman.com and david.app. ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Hear my conversation with Jonathan Stark on Ditching Hourly here: https://podcast.ditchinghourly.com/episodes/nikki-cross-the-private-podcast-book-clubJoin the book club: https://www.theinnerwork.co.uk/bookclub This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit nikkicross.substack.com

In this episode, Jonathan Stark—author of Hourly Billing is Nuts and host of Ditching Hourly—shares how a 2005 realization while managing a dev shop led him to reject hourly billing and pursue value-based fees. He explains how fixed or value-based pricing aligns incentives with clients, reduces micromanagement, and can dramatically improve income and quality of life. Jonathan discusses why optimizing employee utilization can be the wrong goal, proposing outcome-based incentives that reward efficiency and accurate estimating. He also addresses the fear professionals have of fixed pricing, how firms can transition without risking the whole business via a side offering or a skunkworks team, and why soloists can grow without hiring by charging more and building authority. He recommends starting with his free course at valuepricingbootcamp.com. 00:00 Meet Jonathan Stark 00:46 The Hourly Billing Epiphany 03:37 Discovering Value Pricing 05:45 Hiring for Outcomes 10:15 Contractor Risk and Fear 14:21 When to Quit Hourly 15:52 How Firms Can Transition 19:58 Resources and Bootcamp 21:33 Growing Without Hiring 25:04 Final Soloist Advice

Learning and development facilitator Nikki Cross joined me on Ditching Hourly to share how she turned business books into a private podcast book club that helps members apply what they read.Nikki explains the mechanics of her Inner Work Business Book Club, how she uses a private podcast to turn book ideas into implementation, and why structure matters when business books are trying to change behavior instead of merely transferring information.Learn more about Nikki Cross and her work at The Inner Work. (00:00) - Introduction (00:22) - Nikki's Inner Work Business (01:38) - From Public Podcast to Private Book Club (06:32) - How the Book Club Episodes Work (13:51) - Reading Along, Listening Along, or Both (20:58) - From Edutainment to Implementation (24:03) - Fluff, Structure, and Business Books (31:42) - Choosing Books and Integration Months (36:50) - Books as Cheap Expertise, Audio as Proof (41:43) - How to Find Nikki ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Founder of Upshift, Shawn Yeager, joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about how AI is killing the billable hour and what professional services firms can do about it. Jonathan and Shawn dig into judgment versus execution, what firms should commercialize after AI, why cost-cutting is only the first move, and how agent workflows change what small and midsize firms can do.00:00 - Introduction01:54 - AI and the billable hour03:56 - The judgment sandwich05:19 - Strategy, execution, and hidden value09:06 - Client conversations about AI pressure13:26 - Validating AI output15:29 - Judgment, marketing, and cost of being wrong17:07 - AI transformation and commercialization20:08 - The hard parts big firms still need humans for22:20 - Cost recovery versus new offerings25:35 - Agents as extra employees26:40 - Interns versus chiefs of staff28:44 - Scaffolding agent workflows30:12 - From chatbots to delegated workflows37:00 - AI adoption inside firms42:01 - Closing remarksShawn Yeager runs Upshift, a firm focused on helping professional services firms understand what they sell after AI. His career has focused on emerging technology and getting it to market, including work on Microsoft's first browser team, the SaaS/cloud wave, mobile, Bitcoin, and AI. His background is in computer science, and his work has included sales, marketing, partnerships, consulting, Accenture, early-stage startups, and his own ventures. Learn more at upshiftco.com. (00:00) - Introduction (01:54) - AI and the billable hour (03:56) - The judgment sandwich (05:19) - Strategy, execution, and hidden value (09:06) - Client conversations about AI pressure (13:26) - Validating AI output (15:29) - Judgment, marketing, and cost of being wrong (17:07) - AI transformation and commercialization (20:08) - The hard parts big firms still need humans for (22:20) - Cost recovery versus new offerings (25:35) - Agents as extra employees (26:40) - Interns versus chiefs of staff (28:44) - Scaffolding agent workflows (30:12) - From chatbots to delegated workflows (37:00) - AI adoption inside firms (42:01) - Closing remarks ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Angular expert Alain Chautard rejoined me on Ditching Hourly to share how he scaled his certification business through partnerships and automation.Jonathan and Alain talk about turning niche expertise into a certification business, reducing support demands, using expert partners across time zones and languages, negotiating a licensing-style partnership, and what happens when a soloist plugs their business into a larger organization.00:00 - Introduction and Welcome Back03:24 - Creating the Angular Certification Program07:00 - Automating Customer Support10:04 - Scaling with Global Partnerships12:08 - Handling Certification Interviews15:04 - Partnerships and Business Growth20:05 - Negotiating a Business Partnership24:38 - Email Marketing Journey36:51 - Exploring New Content Formats38:51 - Mastermind Groups for SoloistsAlain Chautard is a Google Developer Expert in Angular who does consulting, training, and conference/content work around the Angular framework. He created an Angular certification program after clients asked for proof of completion beyond a simple training certificate. His work now includes helping teams make architecture decisions, get up to speed with Angular, and scale the certification business through partnerships. Learn more at alainchautard.com. ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Data science consultant and podcast host Genevieve Hayes joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about podcasting as a boost for an expertise-based business.Chapters00:00 - Genevieve Hayes and Value-Driven Data Science02:27 - Committing to Start a Podcast05:35 - Simple Production Is Good Enough07:02 - First Guests and Inbound Momentum11:46 - The 100-Episode Surprises15:07 - Relationships Beat Direct Lead Gen18:12 - Pitching Guests and Building Luck Surface Area29:30 - Buyers, Peers, and Referral Paths34:58 - Almost Quitting, Seasons, and Persistence39:00 - Preparation, Editing, and Production Workflow42:18 - Editing as Learning and Content Fuel49:20 - What You Actually Need to Start58:20 - Guest Referrals, Swaps, and Live Formats68:40 - Podcasting vs. Writing for Trust78:30 - Landing Dream Guests and Wrap-UpGuest BioGenevieve Hayes is an actuary and statistician-turned-data scientist who helps organizations improve decision-making by quantifying uncertainty, often when data is sparse. She became a soloist in early 2022 and provides data science consulting services. She also mentors data professionals who want to transform their technical skills into strategic expertise and move from tactical execution to strategic advisory roles. Genevieve hosts Value-Driven Data Science, a podcast for practicing data professionals making that technical-to-strategic shift. Learn more at Value-Driven Data Science.  ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

In today's episode of Building the Premier Accounting Firm, Roger Knecht and Jonathan Stark discuss the pitfalls of hourly billing and the significant benefits of shifting to value-based pricing for accounting firms. Learn how to transform your business model, increase profitability, and build stronger client relationships by focusing on client outcomes rather than billable hours. This episode offers practical strategies for making this critical transition and leveraging your expertise effectively. In This Episode: 00:00 Introduction to the Podcast 01:21 The Problem with Hourly Billing 03:31 Discovering Value-Based Fees 06:25 Fixed vs. Value-Based Pricing 09:11 Understanding Value-Based Pricing 12:25 The 'Why Conversation' in Pricing 16:16 Transitioning to Value Pricing 20:54 Project-Based Value Pricing 29:19 Upfront vs. Commission-Based Pricing 37:07 Delivering Outcomes, Not Deliverables 38:49 Mindset Shift for Accounting Professionals 43:36 Transitioning to Fixed Pricing 48:31 Client's Perception of Value 53:46 Pricing Easy Work 55:19 Podcast Conclusion & Resources Key Takeaways: Identify how hourly billing negatively impacts firm profitability and motivation for efficiency. Understand the distinction between fixed pricing, deliverable-based pricing, and true value-based pricing. Implement a "why conversation" with clients to uncover the true value and urgency of their desired outcomes. Transition away from hourly billing by starting with project-based, value-priced offerings. Leverage client testimonials and past successes to inform future pricing and marketing strategies. Featured Quotes: "Hourly billing is causing all of these problems that we had been wrestling with." - Jonathan Stark "If you're not taking any risk, then you're not going to get any reward. You're not going to make any profits." - Jonathan Stark "If things feel hard and tedious, find the easy things that deliver a lot of value and set your prices based on the value of those things." - Roger Knecht Behind the Story: Jonathan Stark recounts his epiphany in 2005 when, as VP of a software firm, he discovered that hourly billing penalized efficiency and rewarded slowness. This realization prompted a personal quest for a better pricing model, leading him to discover value-based fees. 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Are you stuck in the hourly billing trap, racing against the clock while your clients pressure you to go faster, cheaper, and more? In this episode, Jonathan Stark, the "Ditching Hourly" guy, joins Carly and Joe to break down exactly how solopreneurs can escape time-for-money pricing and switch to a value-based model that benefits both you and your clients.Jonathan shares the surprising moment he realized hourly billing was the root cause of nearly every frustration in his business, from scope creep to client tension to capped income. After making the switch, he doubled his income in year one and watched his client relationships transform almost overnight.This isn't abstract theory. Jonathan walks through his exact process for determining what your work is worth to a client, including his "why conversation" framework, a series of strategic questions that uncover urgency, business value, and what a home run looks like before you ever quote a price. He also explains how to structure a three-option proposal, why he defines scope last (not first), and how to handle scope creep without awkward confrontations.You'll also hear Jonathan's take on retainer pricing, why he doesn't send "rates are going up" letters, when hourly billing might still make sense for newer solopreneurs, and why he keeps contracts minimal even though any lawyer would call him crazy for it.In this episode, you'll learn:Why hourly billing creates a self-fulfilling cycle of scope creep and client tensionThe "why conversation" framework: three categories of questions that reveal what your work is actually worthHow to build a three-option value-based proposal that practically sells itselfWhy Jonathan prices first and defines scope last, and how that changes everythingHow to handle scope creep requests without damaging the client relationshipThe difference between project-based value pricing and retainer-based advisory pricingWhen hourly billing might still be appropriate (and when it's a trap)Why getting paid upfront changes the entire dynamic of client workHow to raise your prices over time without losing existing clientsResources mentioned:Jonathan Stark's free email course: valuepricingbootcamp.comJonathan's website: jonathanstark.comDitching Hourly podcastIf you found this episode helpful, share it with a solopreneur friend who's struggling with pricing. And don't forget to leave a five-star review and subscribe on your favorite podcast platform, including YouTube.

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Do you get paid for the expertise you bring to the table or simply for the number of hours you spend delivering it? And if your skill allows you to solve problems faster and better, should that mean earning less? In this episode of The Agency Blueprint podcast, I'm joined by Jonathan Stark to discuss why the hourly model fundamentally misaligns incentives for agencies, consultants, and clients alike. Jonathan is the author of Hourly Billing is Nuts, host of the Ditching Hourly podcast, and writes a daily newsletter on pricing for independent professionals. He helps experts package, price, and sell outcomes rather than time, leading to higher margins, stronger client relationships, and, ultimately, saner businesses and agencies. Listen in to learn how hourly billing often leads to strained client relationships, unpredictable budgets, and capped revenue potential for agencies. You will also learn about three powerful alternatives to hourly billing that agencies can implement to improve profitability and client satisfaction. Key Questions: [01:04] If hourly billing creates so many limitations, what alternative pricing models could your agency adopt today? [04:56] Are you unintentionally rewarding slower work and discouraging expertise by billing clients by the hour? [26:44] Do you think it's unethical to advocate for the idea of different prices for the same service depending on the person that's in front of you? [29:31] What kind of agency do you want to build over the next three years? One with predictable productized services or one focused on high-value custom projects? What You'll Discover: [01:21] The pivotal moment Jonathan realized hourly billing was flawed, and how shifting to fixed or value-based pricing changes incentives. [04:56] Unlike hourly pricing, fixed or value-based pricing leads to happier clients because it eliminates billing anxiety and constant deadline pressure. [08:00] The concept of packaging expertise into digital products, allowing agencies to generate scalable income without direct client involvement. [10:50] How low-priced products can double as marketing tools that build trust and lead to higher-value client engagements. [12:02] Productized services: fixed-scope offerings with published pricing that simplify the sales process. [13:57] The difference between productized services and value-based projects, including when each pricing model makes the most sense for agencies. [20:24] Why a paid discovery phase is a practical way to qualify clients while delivering immediate strategic value. [23:07] The Maximum Price Formula, where price potential is determined by client desire, available budget, and perceived alternatives. [27:03] Why value-based pricing should focus on measurable business results, not just deliverables like page counts or design assets. [29:55] Practical advice for agencies transitioning away from hourly billing, which includes starting with a paid discovery phase as a simple first step. Connect with Jonathan: Website

In this episode of Ditching Hourly, host Jonathan Stark welcomes Carl Franklin, co-host of the .NET Rocks podcast, to discuss the intricacies and benefits of value pricing. Listeners will gain insights into how value pricing can transform their business approach, moving away from the traditional hourly billing model.The conversation covers key topics such as the differences between fixed pricing and hourly billing, the importance of the "why" conversation with clients, and strategies for handling project changes. Carl shares his experiences with proposal options, client negotiations, and overcoming resistance to value pricing.(00:00) Introduction(00:15) Carl Franklin's Background(02:09) Early Podcasting Days(04:39) The Starbucks Card Story(05:44) Introduction to Value Pricing(07:06) Fixed Pricing vs. Hourly(08:01) The Why Conversation(08:45) First Experiences with Value Pricing(20:39) Proposal Options and Client Choices(23:09) Handling Project Changes(25:02) Partnering and Value Pricing(27:00) Payment Terms and Client Negotiations(40:59) Expertise and Pricing Strategy(41:52) Overcoming Resistance to Value Pricing(44:02) Collaborative Projects and Revenue Sharing(45:44) Carl's Current Projects and Podcasts(48:54) Closing RemarksCarl Franklin is a seasoned podcaster and developer, best known as the co-host of the .NET Rocks podcast, which has been a staple in the developer community since 2002. Learn more about Carl and his work at .NET Rocks. ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Best-selling author, speaker, and management adviser Joe Pine joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss his new book, The Transformation Economy, why it applies especially well to consultants, coaches, and advisors, and gives some tips on how to price transformations.Chapters(00:00) - Welcome and Introduction (00:26) - Discussing the Experience Economy (00:43) - Introducing the Transformation Economy (01:26) - Understanding Transformations and Aspirations (04:15) - Frameworks for Identity Change (07:09) - Real-Life Examples of Transformations (13:27) - Pricing Transformations and Value (18:01) - Guaranteeing Transformations (22:52) - Navigating Client Relationships (23:08) - The Power of Commitment (23:58) - Value-Based Pricing (25:01) - The Turnaround King (26:15) - Maintaining Progress and Overcoming Setbacks (28:13) - Commitment to the Process (29:41) - Measuring Success and Transformation (36:51) - Creating a Sustainable Business Model (37:20) - Book Launch and Writing Process (42:05) - Conclusion and Resources Joe's BioB. Joseph Pine II is an internationally acclaimed author, speaker, and management adviser to Fortune 500 companies and entrepreneurial startups alike, and he is the cofounder of Strategic Horizons LLP. He is the coauthor of the bestselling book The Experience Economy with James H. Gilmore, as well as Infinite Possibility with Kim C. Korn. His other books include Authenticity and Mass Customization. Pine consults with numerous companies around the world. He is a lecturer in the Strategic Technology Leadership program at Northeastern University's D'Amore-McKim School of Business and a senior fellow with the European Centre for the Experience Economy, which he cofounded.Related LinksJoe's website » strategichorizons.comJoe's previous appearance on Ditching Hourly » podcast.ditchinghourly.com/episodes/joe-pine-on-pricing-experiencesJoe's previous appearance on TBOA » thebusinessofauthority.com/episodes/the-experience-economy-with-guest-joe-pine ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Jason Staats joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about his progression from being an employee in an accounting firm to running the top accounting community on the planet.LinksJason's websiteJason's YouTubeChapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:19) - Jason's Background and Career Journey (01:42) - Transition to Online Content Creation (02:42) - Early Challenges and Successes in Video Content (08:10) - The Importance of Writing and Speaking (10:09) - Building Authority and Professional Visibility (18:50) - Starting and Growing a Community (22:27) - The Attraction Offer Strategy (23:09) - Lessons from the Akimbo Workshop (25:08) - Building Community Retention (27:43) - Managing Community Dynamics (34:08) - Onboarding and Engagement Tactics (35:58) - Revenue Streams and Sponsorships (39:04) - Challenges and Advice for Content Creators (42:58) - Final Thoughts and Contact Information ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Hourly Billing Is Nuts: How to Boost Profits with Value Pricing with Jonathan Stark   Find Rocky Lalvani @ www.ProfitComesFirst.com or email him at rocky@profitcomesfirst.com   Most business owners don't realize the hidden cost of hourly billing. It's not just that it can feel annoying. It's that it can cap your income, misalign incentives, and create friction and distrust with clients—especially when estimates blow up.   In this episode of Profit Answer Man, Rocky Lalvani sits down with Jonathan Stark, former software developer and author of Hourly Billing is Nuts, who's been on a mission since 2006 to help experts stop selling time and start pricing for outcomes. Together they break down why hourly billing creates an "artificial ceiling," how fixed pricing changes the client relationship, and how to protect yourself from scope creep by tying everything back to outcomes.    In This Episode, You'll Learn: Why hourly billing creates an artificial ceiling on income (even at high hourly rates).  Why clients hate hourly projects when estimates go wrong—and how it destroys trust.  How fixed pricing rewards efficiency (and why hourly pricing financially punishes smart shortcuts).  The difference between selling inputs/deliverables vs selling the outcome.  Why most people think "value pricing won't work in my industry"—and what's really missing (the "why" conversation).  How to handle "scope creep" by using the agreed outcome as a filter—and parking non-essential requests.  A practical bridge for hourly billers: offering an estimate vs a higher fixed-price option to shift risk and provide certainty.    The Big Takeaway: Hourly billing isn't just a pricing method. It's an incentive system—and it often incentivizes the wrong things. When you price by the hour, you cap your upside and risk creating tension with clients when projects run long. When you price for outcomes, you align incentives so both sides win when the work gets done faster (without sacrificing quality), and you create a healthier, more trusting relationship.    Bio: Jonathan Stark is a former software developer who is on a mission to rid the world of hourly billing. He is the author of Hourly Billing Is Nuts, the host of Ditching Hourly, and writes a daily newsletter on pricing for independent professionals.   Links: Website: valuepricingbootcamp.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanstark/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheJonathanStarkShow   Conclusion: Hourly billing feels normal in a lot of industries—but as Jonathan explains, it often creates an artificial ceiling on your income and puts the client in the risky position of betting on an estimate that may not hold up. That's when trust erodes, projects get contentious, and both sides lose.  A fixed price (and ultimately value-based pricing) changes the game: incentives align, efficiency gets rewarded instead of punished, and you can protect the work by filtering scope decisions through the agreed outcome—parking anything that doesn't contribute until after you "declare victory."  If you're currently billing by the hour, this episode is your reminder that the goal isn't just to charge more—it's to price in a way that supports better relationships, better results, and a business model that doesn't depend on maxing out your calendar.    Ready to stop selling time and start selling outcomes? Explore Jonathan's work at https://jonathanstark.com/ and check out http://valuepricingbootcamp.com to learn practical ways to move away from hourly billing.    #ProfitAnswerMan #ProfitFirst #ValuePricing #HourlyBilling #PricingStrategy #Consulting #ProfessionalServices #BusinessProfit #CashFlow   Watch the full episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@profitanswerman Sign up to be notified when the next cohort of the Profit First Experience Course is available! Free Copy of the Profit Blueprint Book: : https://lp.profitcomesfirst.com/landing-page-page  Monthly Newsletter signup: https://lp.profitcomesfirst.com/newsletter-signup Relay Bank (affiliate link): https://relayfi.com/?referralcode=profitcomesfirst Profit Answer Man Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/profitanswerman/ My podcast about living a richer more meaningful life: http://richersoul.com/ Music provided by Junan from Junan Podcast Any financial advice is for educational purposes only and you should consult with an expert for your specific needs.

Rural planning advisor Ben Kettle joined me on Ditching Hourly to share his transition from hourly billing “nonsense” to risk-based project pricing. LinksBen's website » https://areteruralplanning.co.uk/Chapters(00:00) - Ben Kettle (00:20) - Meet the Guest: Ben Kettle (00:36) - Ben's Background and Career Journey (02:57) - Challenges with Hourly Billing (09:01) - Transition to Fixed Fee and Value-Based Pricing (13:23) - Implementing the New Pricing Model (25:48) - Client Reactions and Success Stories (34:08) - Conclusion and Future Plans ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

"The hardest thing is to not try and solve their problem in the sales interview, just listen to the business case, and then come up with clever ways to achieve that business case really as easily as you possibly can. So you're looking for smaller projects, not bigger projects. It's, it's a complete mind shift." -Jonathan Stark Jonathan Stark,  author of Hourly Billing is Nuts, breaks down why hourly billing holds you back. He shares how shifting to value-based pricing changes your income, your clients, and your time. Jonathan explains how writing, teaching, and niching help you stand out, and why clients buy outcomes, peace of mind, and confidence, not hours. In this interview, you'll also learn: Why hourly billing rewards inefficiency & limits growth What mindset shifts you need to stop selling time How specialization & authority support higher pricing To learn more about Jonathan, click here. Get a copy of his book, Hourly Billing Is Nuts, at this link. Connect with him on LinkedIn. Time Stamps 00:58 – Why hourly billing is nuts & how Jonathan discovered it 04:00 – Discovering value-based fees & applying them in year one 05:40 – Breaking the habit of scoping during sales calls 09:18 – Pricing options based on outcomes, not deliverables 11:30 – How fixed pricing improves trust & client behavior 16:21 – Connecting your work to revenue growth or cost reduction 18:55 – Selling peace of mind as a measurable outcome 20:58 – Why working fewer hours should not mean earning less 22:31 – How AI & automation increase value, not risk 25:35 – Why predictable pricing benefits both you & your clients 29:00 – Identifying what different clients truly value 31:09 – Letting go of poor-fit clients to grow sustainably 36:10 – Why Jonathan wrote Hourly Billing Is Nuts 38:57 – Books that support the shift away from hourly billing 42:17 – What it means to "own your authority" 44:25 – Why being different matters more than being cheaper 47:07 – Using specialization to escape price competition 48:57 – Writing as a long-term growth strategy 50:12 – Where to find Jonathan's free resources Your expertise has more value than you think, so Own Your Authority at The Successful Bookkeeper Summit 2026! It's a high-energy two-day virtual experience for bookkeepers ready to lead with confidence and elevate their impact. Join inspiring leaders on November 4th–5th to gain actionable strategies, powerful tools, and the clarity to shape the work you want, not just keep up with it. Don't miss this incredible opportunity! REGISTER TODAY!

Learn how B2B teams can scale creative operations, cut the busywork, and show up consistently with content that resonates. Charging by the hour? You're leaving money on the table. In this episode, host Jason Bradwell sits down with Jonathan Stark - author of Hourly Billing Is Nuts and host of the Ditching Hourly podcast - for a masterclass in pricing, positioning, and why daily publishing changed everything for his business. Jonathan breaks down why hourly billing traps experts in low-profit margins, the difference between cost-plus and actual value-based pricing, and his "scope last" principle that flips traditional consulting on its head. He also shares how publishing daily helped him build a loyal audience, deepen his expertise, and turn strangers into superfans. Whether you're a solo consultant or running a B2B service business, this conversation delivers clear, actionable frameworks to work less, charge more, and stand out. Jason and Jonathan dive straight into why hourly billing is fundamentally broken. It punishes efficiency, caps your income, and makes clients focus on time instead of outcomes. Jonathan explains the "fixed pricing trap" most consultants fall into, they think they're doing value-based pricing when they're really just doing cost-plus (estimate hours, multiply by rate, add margin). Real value-based pricing starts with understanding what success is worth to the client. The conversation shifts to Jonathan's signature principle: scope last. Instead of leading with what you'll do, lead with the outcome the client wants and price based on that value. Only after they say yes do you figure out the most efficient way to deliver it. This requires strong positioning, becoming the only choice for a specific problem, not the cheapest option among many. They explore how daily publishing transformed Jonathan's business. He's published something every single day for years, creating what he calls "asymmetric intimacy" his audience feels like they know him deeply even if they've never met. This built trust at scale and turned his owned media into a long-term growth engine that compounds over time. Jonathan shares practical newsletter tactics: the capture phase (getting people on the list), writing cadence (daily works for him), and why podcasting is like building localized celebrity. They also discuss burnout risks, how AI fits in (spoiler: it's a tool, not a replacement for thinking), and Jonathan's advice for anyone launching a podcast or daily newsletter: done is better than perfect, just start. If you're stuck in the pricing-versus-scoping cycle or charging by the hour and feeling trapped, Jonathan's frameworks will fundamentally shift how you think about your business. This isn't theory, it's battle-tested advice from someone who's helped thousands of consultants escape the hourly trap. Plus, his insights on daily publishing offer a blueprint for building trust and authority in any B2B market. 00:00 - Introduction: From developer to pricing evangelist 01:30 - Why hourly billing is broken 04:00 - The fixed pricing trap and cost-plus confusion 06:00 - What value-based pricing actually looks like 08:00 - Scope last: price outcomes, not inputs 10:00 - Positioning: become the only choice 13:00 - Daily publishing and asymmetric intimacy 16:30 - Owned media as a growth engine 20:00 - Newsletter tactics and writing cadence 23:30 - Podcasting builds localized celebrity 26:00 - Burnout, AI, and sustainability 30:00 - Advice for launching a podcast or daily list 34:00 - Done beats perfect—just start 38:00 - Final takeaways on pricing and standing out Connect with Jason Bradwell on LinkedIn Connect with Jonathan Stark on LinkedIn Visit Hourly Billing Is Nuts Visit Ditching Hourly Explore B2B Better website and the Pipe Dream podcast

Co-founder of Conversion Factory, Zach Stevens, rejoined me on Ditching Hourly to give us an update on how he's growing his subscription SaaS marketing agency in year 3. Links We MentionedConversion Factory WebsiteZach's partner Corey, on XThe Superstruct Manifesto by David GuttmanThe "If You're Such An Expert" Ditcherville ComicChapters(00:00) - Introduction and Welcome (00:10) - Zach's Business Journey (01:19) - Conversion Factory's Growth (02:26) - Subscription Model Insights (04:04) - Hiring and Team Expansion (08:32) - Training and Onboarding (20:48) - Client Management Strategies (30:00) - Client Frustrations and Communication Strategies (31:04) - The Inefficiency of Phone Calls (33:19) - Setting Client Expectations (37:05) - AI in Copywriting and Design (45:53) - Subscription Model Benefits (54:49) - Final Thoughts and Future Plans ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Charles Miller of Platoon joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss “good” taste, how you get it, why you might want it, and what to do when your clients don't have it. LinksCharles' personal site » https://www.charlesmiller.com/Charles' portfolio site » https://www.platoon.studio/Chapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:11) - Defining Taste (00:19) - Charles Miller's Background (00:59) - The Concept of Informed Opinion (02:20) - Developing Taste Over Time (05:50) - Taste in Different Domains (08:44) - Taste and Business Decisions (16:42) - Client Relationships and Taste (21:30) - Understanding Client Needs (24:00) - The Role of Taste in Design (25:28) - The Importance of Practice (27:09) - Releasing Your Work to the World (27:52) - The Role of Taste Makers (30:11) - Balancing Client Expectations and Creative Vision (34:36) - The Genius of Simplifying Complex Ideas (40:07) - Final Thoughts and Wrap Up ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

We are big fans of the productized service model and equate our rate to a set hourly limitation and internal billable rate. This isn't a secret. We've had multiple episodes on why knowing your internal hourly rate is crucial.Then we received an email from Jonathan Stark's team wanting to tell us why hourly billing and fixation on hourly tracking is "nuts".For an hour and a half, Jonathan steps into the ring with us to challenge the idea of hourly billing and time tracking with his value-based pricing model.Does he convince us his way is better? Or do we make him see the error of his value-based ways?-----Check out Jonathan at his website:https://jonathanstark.com/Learn more about his book, "Hourly Billing is Nuts":https://jonathanstark.com/hbin-----RESOURCES:Want the tools and resources we recommend for agencies? Check them out here:https://www.agencygrowthpod.com/tools-----NEWSLETTERWant the show in your inbox? Sign up for the newsletter!https://www.agencygrowthpod.com/newsletter-----COMMUNITYLooking to join a community of agency owners? Join our Discord!https://discord.gg/uvHRRRFVRD-----CONTACTGot something to say? Send us a message:https://www.agencygrowthpod.com/contact

Author of No BS Strategy, Alex M H Smith, rejoined me on Ditching Hourly to help define a very important word that few business people understand correctly.Chapters(00:00) - Introduction and Welcome (00:11) - Guest Introduction: Alex Smith (01:30) - Understanding Business Strategy (02:02) - The Misunderstood Concept of Value (04:15) - Creating Value in Business (07:55) - Innovating Beyond Traditional Value (13:01) - Practical Examples and Market Research (18:14) - Unique Value Proposition (29:23) - Understanding Differentiation in Business (29:56) - The Importance of Unique Positioning (30:36) - Consulting Strategies and Unique Differences (31:32) - Examples of Effective Differentiation (33:23) - The Role of Specialization in Strategy (38:30) - Embracing Weaknesses for Strategic Advantage (40:53) - Balancing Specialization and Market Reach (41:51) - The Pitfalls of Over-Niching (48:28) - Rooting in Recognizable Categories (53:20) - Conclusion and Resources Guest LinksAlex's free resources » https://basicarts.org/welcome/Alex's book » https://basicarts.org/book/Alex's mailing list » https://basicarts.org/articles/Alex's LinkedIn » https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-m-h-smith/ ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Professor-in-residence at StoryBrand and host of the new podcast Badass Softie, Dr. J.J. Peterson, joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss how to strike a balance between authority and empathy. And be sure to stick around to the end to hear J.J.'s take on AI's impact on professional services and how to avoid creating ‘louder garbage' :-)Chapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:17) - JJ Peterson's Current Ventures (01:11) - The Concept of 'Badass Softie' (03:26) - StoryBrand Framework Explained (06:20) - Empathy and Authority in Leadership (08:42) - Balancing Empathy and Authority in Coaching (12:38) - Personal Experiences and Coaching Styles (16:05) - Communicating Empathy and Authority Effectively (24:44) - Engaging Your Audience with Empathy and Authority (28:06) - Controlling the Narrative in Marketing (29:07) - Embracing Your Authentic Self as a Guide (31:41) - Overcoming Imposter Syndrome (40:52) - The Importance of Niching Down (47:35) - Leveraging AI in Professional Services (51:39) - Conclusion and Final Thoughts LinksJ.J.'s website » https://www.drjjpeterson.com/J.J.'s podcast » https://www.badasssoftie.com/ ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Solo data advisor Shachar Meir (ex-Meta, ex-PayPal) joined me on Ditching hourly to share the details of his transition from being a manager in massive corporate environments to becoming a successful solo consultant.Chapters (00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (01:05) - Shachar's Professional Background (03:47) - Transition to Solo Entrepreneurship (13:51) - First Steps as a Solopreneur (15:59) - Landing the First Project (20:25) - Facing the Challenges of Solopreneurship (25:11) - Navigating the Steep Learning Curve (26:17) - The Importance of Networking and Mentorship (29:52) - Leveraging LinkedIn for Business Growth (33:25) - The Art of Content Creation (43:18) - Financial Stability and Client Acquisition (51:47) - Final Thoughts and Advice Shachar's LinksLinkedIn Profile » https://www.linkedin.com/in/shacharmeir/YouTube Channel » https://www.youtube.com/@shacharmeir ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Big Idea archaeologist Pranav Kale joined me on Ditching Hourly for a reverse interview about my journey to the center of the solar system.Chapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:39) - Pranav's Evolution and Current Focus (03:01) - Jonathan's Epiphany on Hourly Billing (06:26) - The Trust Fracture in Hourly Billing (07:45) - Jonathan's Problem-Solving Journey (16:59) - The Move to Rhode Island and Finding the Solution (22:38) - Implementing Value-Based Pricing (26:30) - Content Creation and Teaching Others (30:35) - Understanding Business Personality Types (31:08) - The Journey to Writing a Book (31:56) - Transitioning to Advisory Roles (32:37) - The Impact of the iPhone Announcement (33:37) - Responsive Web Design and Consulting (35:46) - Facing Criticism and Adjusting Messaging (39:50) - Finding the Central Theme (53:06) - The Importance of Differentiation (59:53) - Concluding Thoughts and Advice ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Laravel expert Joel Clermont joined me on Ditching Hourly to share how he and his co-founder run their successful dev subscription business. Chapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Introduction (00:16) - Joel's Background and Business Model Transition (01:54) - Launching the Dev Subscription Model (04:47) - Marketing and Initial Success (07:44) - Client Profiles and Demand (11:19) - Managing Client Expectations and Scope (18:58) - Onboarding and Project Management (21:21) - Handling Messy Projects and Infrastructure (25:06) - Client Capacity and Longevity (26:47) - Exploring Client Sizes and Ideal Fits (28:39) - Balancing Workload and Client Expectations (32:06) - Ensuring Client Satisfaction (34:47) - Managing Work and Time Effectively (43:11) - Challenges and Downsides of Subscription Model (47:54) - Marketing Strategies for Developers (52:52) - Conclusion and Resources Joel's LinksJoel's website » https://nocompromises.io/Joel's books » https://masteringlaravel.io/booksJoel's courses » https://masteringlaravel.io/coursesJoel's community » https://masteringlaravel.io/community ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

SummaryIn this episode, Ryan and Mike interview Jonathan Stark, a consultant and author, who shares his journey from software development to coaching on value-based pricing. They discuss the pitfalls of hourly billing, the importance of understanding value, and the significance of the 'why' conversation in client interactions. Jonathan emphasizes the need for a shift in perspective from self-interest to client satisfaction, and he outlines effective pricing strategies, including the use of guarantees to mitigate risk. The conversation also touches on establishing authority in one's field and the benefits of narrowing focus to become a recognized expert.TakeawaysJonathan Stark transitioned from software development to coaching on pricing.Hourly billing can lead to misaligned incentives and poor client outcomes.Value-based pricing focuses on the client's perceived value rather than costs.The 'why' conversation helps uncover client motivations and needs.Setting prices based on value can lead to better profitability.Offering guarantees can alleviate client concerns about quality and service.Establishing authority in a niche can lead to higher pricing and demand.Narrowing focus helps in becoming a recognized expert in a field.Proposals should offer multiple pricing tiers to maximize client options.Understanding customer satisfaction is key to long-term business success.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Jonathan Stark02:56 The Shift from Hourly Billing to Value-Based Pricing09:31 Understanding Value-Based Pricing12:56 The Importance of the 'Why' Conversation18:47 Negotiating Prices and Payment Terms25:39 Shifting Perspective: From Self to Client30:42 Creating Customer Satisfaction38:57 Proposals and Pricing Strategies47:49 Guarantees and Risk Mitigation59:52 Establishing Authority in Your FieldCredits:Hosted by Ryan Roghaar and Michael SmithProduced by Ryan RoghaarTheme music: "Perfect Day" by OPM  The Eggs Podcast Spotify playlist:bit.ly/eggstunesThe Plugs:The Show: eggscast.com@eggshow on X and InstagramOn iTunes: itun.es/i6dX3pCOnStitcher: bit.ly/eggs_on_stitcherAlso available on Google Play Music!Mike "DJ Ontic": Shows and info: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠djontic.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@djontic on twitterRyan Roghaar:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠rogha.ar

Digital marketing strategist Eleanor Mayrhofer joined me on Ditching Hourly to describe exactly how she productized her web design services. Links:Eleanor's website » https://www.eleanormayrhofer.com/ditchingEleanor's LinkedIn » https://www.linkedin.com/in/eleanormayrhofer/Chapters:(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:14) - Eleanor's Background and Business Model (00:52) - Straight to Non-Hourly (02:01) - Starting a Solo Business During COVID (02:44) - Initial Market Approach and Challenges (03:48) - Developing a Productized Service (04:25) - Current Business Model: Website in a Week (05:31) - Client Interaction and Project Scope (09:40) - Copywriting and Strategy Sessions (16:31) - Handling Project Scope and Client Expectations (21:24) - Marketing and Client Acquisition (23:20) - Client Commissions and Referrals (23:40) - Subscription Maintenance Services (24:53) - Positioning and Target Audience (25:53) - Overcoming Launch Procrastination (27:11) - Client Collaboration and Revisions (28:55) - Technical Setup and DNS Challenges (31:25) - Post-Launch Support and Testimonials (33:13) - Pros and Cons of Productized Services (36:55) - Sales Process and Lead Time (38:55) - Long-Term Plans and Project Juggling (41:01) - Avoiding Boredom with Productized Services (42:20) - Conclusion and Contact Information ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Send us a textShownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/503.Hourly billing feels safe—but it's actually one of the biggest traps holding law firms back. It limits your earning potential, creates tension with clients, and keeps you stuck trading time for money instead of building real value.In this episode, Moshe Amsel sits down with Jonathan Stark, author of Hourly Billing Is Nuts and a leading voice in alternative pricing, to unpack why the billable hour model is broken—and what to do instead.From fixed fees to subscription models, Moshe and Jonathan break down how to charge more ethically, boost client trust, and create a firm that grows without burning you out.⏰It's time to double your take-home pay and cut hours in ½.Long hours, inconsistent income, and no clear path out of it are not fun revenue rollercoasters for any solo attorney.In a free, 30 minute call, we help law firm owners with a proven roadmap to escape that cycle and build predictable growth.In that growth call, get:

Founder of The Upside, Erin Halper, joined me on Ditching Hourly to share her pro tips on creating and sustaining a premium online community. Erin's Links:Erin's community » https://betheupside.com/Erin's LinkedIn » https://www.linkedin.com/in/erinhalper/Chapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:19) - Erin Halper's Background and The Upside Community (03:19) - Challenges and Evolution of The Upside (07:24) - Starting and Running a Community (09:18) - Best Practices for Community Management (24:08) - Pricing Strategies for Independent Consultants (30:19) - Navigating Agency Subcontracting (30:52) - Building and Scaling Your Business (31:42) - Lifestyle and Impact in Consulting (33:00) - Celebrating Wins and Community Support (34:26) - Visibility and Positioning (36:03) - Pricing Strategies and Market Shifts (37:47) - Maintaining Boundaries in Community (40:30) - Application Process and Membership Cap (43:40) - Quarterly Open House Strategy (47:18) - Onboarding and Member Matching (55:26) - Concluding Thoughts and Contact Information ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Communications consultant Lynn Safranek joined me on Ditching Hourly to learn how to apply value pricing to an industry where the consultant can't control the outcome.(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:11) - Understanding Upstream Contributions (00:23) - Lynn's Background and Expertise (01:05) - The Value Pricing Dilemma (01:21) - Client Communication Challenges (02:45) - Media Engagement Strategies (05:01) - Defining Client Needs and Goals (08:08) - Crafting Effective Messaging (14:32) - Measuring Success and Impact (20:42) - Leveraging Media Coverage for Nonprofits (21:26) - Budget Autonomy of Communications Directors (22:41) - Crafting Compelling Stories for Donations (24:33) - Exploring Budget Scenarios for Media Hits (26:03) - Creative Strategies for Media Attention (26:58) - Evaluating the Impact of Media Hits (29:21) - Developing a Comprehensive Media Strategy (31:35) - Reverse Engineering Media Success (38:40) - Thinking Beyond Traditional Roles (42:35) - Conclusion and Final Thoughts Lynn's Links:Lynn on LinkedIn » https://www.linkedin.com/in/lynnsafranek/ ----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

The new next door neighbor is a vampire who wants your girlfriend. Naturally, the first thing you do is enlist a local tv host to fight him. It's a very meta comedy, a Scream before there was Scream. Starring Chris Sarandon, Roddy McDowell, William Ragsdale, Amanda Bearse, Stephen Geoffreys, and Jonathan Stark. Written and directed by Tom Holland.

Show Highlights: What's captive insurance, and how does it work? [05:13] Control over risk attracting agribusinesses to captives. [07:18] How captives offer an underwriting income opportunity. [08:58] Financial and tax benefits in captives compared to self-insurance. [12:54] Get to know TrueNorth Companies and their unique strengths. [16:43] Rural risk factors in ag and insurance market challenges. [20:20] Understand the real costs involved in deductibles. [28:45] How are evolving market cycles redefining co-op insurance? [32:29] Analyze your “total cost of risk” beyond premiums. [39:08] Why partnering with a proactive, consultative broker matters. [42:32] Explore TrueNorth Companies at https://truenorthcompanies.com/. Find Lane Danielsen at LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/lane-danielsen-99675456/. Lane can also be reached via email at ldanielsen@truenorthcompanies.com. To connect with Jonathan Stark on LinkedIn, go to https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-stark-649865b7/. If you are interested in connecting with Joe, go to LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joemosher/, or schedule a call at www.moshercg.com.  

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Brand strategist and founder of SwayRise Creative, Diane Whiddon, joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about how adding a discrete - and legitimately useful - AI-based productized service to her branding business tapped into a longstanding demand in her client base. Diane's LinksSwayRise Creative » https://swayrisecreative.com/Content Creator Lab » https://aicontentcreatorlab.comChapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:34) - Diane's Background and Career Journey (01:44) - Discovering Value Pricing and Meeting Jonathan (03:44) - The Impactful Discovery Call (07:18) - Focusing and Scaling the Business (15:08) - Incorporating AI into Business (19:16) - AI Photo Shoots and Branding (33:33) - Ethical Considerations and Client Expectations (34:57) - Technical Aspects of AI Image Creation (37:02) - Using Image References and Editing Tools (37:56) - Cost and Effort of Traditional Photo Shoots (39:15) - AI Photo Shoots vs Traditional Photo Shoots (41:36) - The Demand for AI in Business (42:54) - Challenges and Opportunities with AI (47:33) - The Importance of Adapting to AI (51:53) - Leveraging AI for Business Success (54:13) - The Future of AI in Various Industries (01:10:30) - Final Thoughts and Resources ----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

Author, speaker, and human-first AI strategist, Alastair McDermott, joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about his new book and how experts can use AI to enhance productivity, decision-making, and learning. (00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:46) - Alistair's Background and Journey (03:02) - The New Book: Use AI, Stay Human (04:15) - AI as a Tool for Experts (06:55) - Practical Applications of AI (10:00) - Technical Deep Dive: AI in Writing (16:58) - Organizing and Managing AI Outputs (23:40) - Ideal Reader and Learning AI (24:51) - Choosing Your AI Setup: DIY vs. Subscription (25:20) - The Importance of AI Expertise (27:16) - AI's Role in Business and Personal Productivity (28:25) - Challenges and Limitations of AI (30:59) - Effective Prompting Techniques (32:20) - Using AI for Coaching and Workshops (35:35) - Advanced AI Usage Tips (40:46) - Practical AI Tools and Resources (45:28) - Final Thoughts and Resources AI SummaryIn this episode of Ditching Hourly, Jonathan Stark interviews Alastair McDermott about his new book, 'Use AI Stay Human: A Survival Guide for Experts in the Age of AI.' They discuss Alastair's transition from a techie background to running his consulting business, Recognized Authority, and eventually rebranding to Human Spark.AI. The conversation dives into how AI can be used to enhance productivity, decision-making, and learning for subject matter experts. Alastair shares practical tips on setting up effective AI workflows, structuring prompts, and the importance of human judgment in leveraging AI for business purposes.Alastair's LinksBook: https://www.amazon.com/Use-I-Stay-Human-Indispensable-ebook/dp/B0FDQSKZRFWebsite: https://humanspark.ai/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alastairmcdermott/ ----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

Author of Leaving The Casino, Jessica Lackey, joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss the importance of understanding different business models, pricing strategies, and the concept of the 'zone of enoughness' in building a sustainable business.(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:09) - Jessica Lackey's Background and Career Journey (01:05) - Introduction to Jessica's Book (03:13) - The Casino Metaphor in Business (04:28) - Frameworks and Types of Expertise-Based Businesses (08:55) - Pricing Models and Strategies (19:22) - The Zone of Enoughness (30:46) - Transitioning Business Models (31:21) - Financial Planning and Expectations (32:30) - Balancing Flexibility and Income (34:28) - Optimizing Delivery for Efficiency (40:41) - Marketing Strategies for Delivery Businesses (42:48) - The Importance of Direct Outreach (51:03) - Building Authority Through Writing (54:29) - Conclusion and Final Thoughts Jessica's BioJessica Lackey is the founder of Deeper Foundations, a consulting and training firm that helps expertise-based business owners grow and scale sustainable companies rooted in stronger business foundations. She brings a unique blend of corporate expertise and soulful business building, drawing on an MBA from Harvard Business School, a coaching certification from iPEC, and experience at McKinsey & Company and Nike, Inc. Jessica has supported over 200 entrepreneurs through her programs, blending systems thinking, operational rigor, and deep values alignment. She lives in Charlotte, North Carolina, with her husband.Jessica's Links:Website: https://www.deeperfoundations.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-lackey/Book: https://www.deeperfoundations.com/casinoPredictable Revenue Roadmap: https://predictablerevenueroadmap.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jessicalackey_consulting/ ----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

Join Movie Miss in this mini-episode as she briefly discusses the 1987 "turkey" House 2: The Second Story, starring Arye Gross, Jonathan Stark, Royal Dano and Lar Park Lincoln. *SPOILERS DUH!* At the time this episode was recorded, you can WATCH HOUSE 2 HERE: Amazon PrimeWe're also on YouTube, Apple, Goodpods, Pandora, Amazon & Audible and ko-fi.com/letstalkturkeysA proud member of the Prescribed Film Podcast network #PFPNPlease take a moment to rate & review the show! Be part of our fun bad movie conversations (We Want To Interact With You and Hear Your Thoughts!) by following both our facebook discussion group and our official page Let's Talk Turkeys, on Instagram at letstalkturkeys (all one word), email us directly at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠letstalkturkeys@yahoo.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, we're on X (Twitter) @gobblepodcast, Bluesky @letstalkturkeys and check us out on Wordpress at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://letstalkturkeys150469722.wordpress.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Find Movie Miss on IG at movie_miss & Slasher*COVER ART by: Dave Carruthers*

Author Robin Bonn joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss the importance of differentiation as described in his book Market of One. About RobinRobin Bonn is the CEO of Co:definery, one of the world's leading consultancies specialising in agency positioning. From renowned global networks to the world's top independents, he's repositioned close to 150 agencies and coached dozens of senior leaders. He's the author of Market of One, the host of The Immortal Life of Agencies podcast, and a columnist for Marketing Week. ----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

Ed Kless joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about what he and his Threshold co-founder Ron Baker think is the next big thing (spoiler alert: transformations).Talking PointsThe Concept of the Experience EconomyProgression of Economic ValueTransformations and Their ImpactThreshold: Guiding TransformationsTransitioning from Service to Transformation EconomySkipping the Experience StageCharging for TransformationSubscription Model as a SolutionValue-Based Pricing vs. Hourly BillingThe Revelation DocumentThe Concept of Moral InjuryAnd here's the link to the document we discussed on the show: THRESHOLD - A REVELATION for the Transformation EconomyAbout EdEd Kless believes entrepreneurs continue the work of creation and that business exists to promote human flourishing. To advance this vision, he cofounded THRESHOLD, where he guides professional leaders and teams through edifying transformation. Previously, Ed served as Sage's senior director of partner development and strategy, hosted the Sage Thought Leadership Podcast, and designed curricula for Sage Partners and Customers. He also co-hosts The Soul of Enterprise with Ron Baker, his friend and fellow THRESHOLD co-founder. ----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

Geraldine Carter joined me on Ditching Hourly to give us a behind-the-scenes recap of what went into her pivot from selling one-time $9,500 mastermind programs to selling a $995/mo ongoing subscription model.(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:34) - Defining 'Melting the Pyramid' (04:38) - Transitioning Business Models (08:54) - Challenges and Key Changes (14:00) - New Program Structure and Benefits (24:41) - Launch Phase and Simplification (27:52) - Navigating the Launch Transition (28:36) - Managing High-Touch Programs (29:33) - Prioritizing VIP Clients (31:10) - Finalizing the Launch (33:06) - Subscription Model Insights (34:50) - Building the Community (37:50) - Efficiency and Scalability (42:46) - Handling Uncertainty and Risk (50:04) - Adapting to Subscription Growth (52:54) - Conclusion and Takeaways Geraline's BioGeraldine Carter helps overworked CPAs create the accounting firm and the life they have always wanted.Geraldine's LinksThe website » https://geraldinecarter.com/The podcast » https://www.businessstrategyforcpas.com/The book » https://geraldinecarter.com/bookThe community » https://geraldinecarter.com/peak-freedom ----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

Ever feel like you're stuck on the hourly billing hamster wheel, working harder but not making more money? I've been there. That's why I invited pricing expert Jonathan Stark to the podcast – a man on a mission to rid the world of hourly billing (and for good reason). Jonathan breaks down why trading time for dollars is a losing game that not only caps your earning potential but actually damages client relationships. If you're ready to stop being a slave to the clock and start getting paid for the actual value you deliver, this episode is packed with practical strategies to make that shift. Trust me, your future self (and bank account) will thank you. https://www.theagentsofchange.com/575 Check out Izzy's Meta Ads webinar here: https://www.takeflyte.com/flyte-school/on-demand-training/cooking-up-successful-meta-ads-with-limited-ingredients.