Podcasts about hourly billing

Thought leadership expert Bill Sherman joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss how experts can scale their ideas to create impactful thought leadership. Bill shares insights from his extensive experience in helping individuals and organizations codify and amplify their ideas.In this episode, we delve into the nuances of thought leadership, from defining it to exploring business models and the importance of a focused target audience. Bill also discusses the impact equation and how to effectively communicate ideas to create lasting influence.00:00 - Introduction to Bill Sherman00:19 - Journey into Thought Leadership01:51 - Defining Thought Leadership05:41 - Emerging Thought Leaders08:44 - The Thought Leadership Handbook13:09 - Business Models of Thought Leadership16:49 - Target Audience Importance21:49 - Licensing and Certification25:09 - Alternatives to Writing a Book33:39 - Impact Equation43:47 - Final ThoughtsGuest bioBill Sherman is the COO of Thought Leadership Leverage and lead author of The Thought Leadership Handbook. For more than twenty years he's helped executives, authors, and experts take their ideas to scale — and he co-hosts the Leveraging Thought Leadership podcast, now past 700 episodes.Website » https://aha-moments.com/Book » https://thoughtleadershiphandbook.com/LinkedIn » https://www.linkedin.com/in/bill-sherman-aha-moments/Podcast » https://thoughtleadershipleverage.com/thought-leadership-podcasts/

Pricing strategist Shannon Mattern joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss how to present pricing options in a project proposal based on the mindset of the buyer: investment-minded, expense-minded, and hustle-minded. In this episode, we dive into Shannon's Package Matrix method, a framework she developed to offer clients different levels of service and pricing options. We explore how to implement this strategy, manage client expectations, and ensure timely payments.00:00 Introduction00:25 Shannon's Background01:24 Overcoming Pricing Challenges02:24 Package Matrix Method06:23 Implementing Package Matrix10:58 Sales Process and Payment Terms17:21 Handling Client Delays20:58 Sales Cycle and Proposal Strategy28:03 Presenting Proposals39:51 Follow-up and Decision Deadlines47:19 Final Thoughts and ResourcesShannon Mattern is a pricing strategist and the creator of the Package Matrix™ Method. She's also the host of the Profitable Web Designer and Anchor High podcasts, and founder of Web Designer Academy, where she helps women web designers move from undercharging to premium pricing. You can connect with Shannon at https://shannonmattern.com or on LinkedIn at https://linkedin.com/in/shannonmattern

”Expertise whisperer” Wes Wheless joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about turning corporate expertise into a solo consulting business. We talked about his new book, The Expert's Privilege, how corporate professionals can recognize transferable expertise, why visual IP helps consultants explain their work, and what to do before making the leap from employee to independent consultant.Chapters01:35 - From Corporate to Consulting03:48 - Pivoting Toward Solo Consultants06:16 - Daily Email, Authority, and Visual IP11:46 - The Expert's Privilege18:36 - Why Corporate Experts Undervalue Their Skills23:23 - Excavating Your Expertise27:18 - Finding Your Zone of Genius32:44 - From Self-Examination to Market Validation35:30 - What to Do Before You Leave Corporate40:22 - A Book Is FOR Someone44:23 - Writing the Book With Support52:06 - Launch Strategy and Early ResultsAbout WesWes Wheless is an "expertise whisperer," founder of Develop My IP, and creator of The Lightbulb, a daily email for corporates-turned-consultants.After two consecutive tech layoffs, Wes traded a 20-year corporate career spanning consulting, enterprise, and startups for a solo practice helping experts turn their knowledge into IP, frameworks, and "intellectual headshots."Wes holds business degrees from The Wharton School and Kellogg School of Management and lives in Seattle, Washington. The Expert's Privilege is his first book.LinksResources & Services: weswheless.comThe Expert's Privilege: wesbook.comBuy on Amazon: buywesbook.comThe Lightbulb email: lightbulbemail.comFen Druadin, Book Midwife: fendruadin.com (00:00) - Introduction (01:35) - From Corporate to Consulting (03:48) - Pivoting Toward Solo Consultants (06:16) - Daily Email, Authority, and Visual IP (11:46) - The Expert's Privilege (18:36) - Why Corporate Experts Undervalue Their Skills (23:23) - Excavating Your Expertise (27:18) - Finding Your Zone of Genius (32:44) - From Self-Examination to Market Validation (35:30) - What to Do Before You Leave Corporate (40:22) - A Book Is for Someone (44:23) - Writing the Book With Support (52:06) - Launch Strategy and Early Results (55:31) - Where to Find Wes ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Author, financial advisor, and former management consultant Brian Herriot joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about pursuing time freedom before financial freedom.Brian and I talk about his new book Time Freedom, the difference between time freedom and financial freedom, how flexible work can bridge the gap, and what he learned from using early readers, workshops, and hybrid publishing to turn his ideas into a book.Chapters00:00 - Brian's Time Freedom Story02:58 - Why Brian Wrote the Book05:30 - Choosing Hybrid Publishing09:53 - Building the Business Behind the Book12:16 - Time Freedom vs Financial Freedom16:46 - Making Nine Months Cover Twelve19:47 - Remote Work and Flexible Work23:18 - Who Can Actually Do This?27:17 - Early Readers and Draft Feedback31:51 - Tools for Testing a Book33:32 - Testing Ideas Before Writing36:00 - Writing the First Draft40:26 - The Time Freedom Framework46:52 - Writing a Better Ending50:44 - Counterintuitive Money AdviceResources We MentionedTime Freedom preorder pageTime Freedom CalculatorTime Freedom PodcastBrian Herriot on LinkedInWrite a Must-Read by AJ HarperAJ HarperPage Two SimplifiedMike MichalowiczMike Michalowicz on The Business of AuthorityWrite Useful Books / Rob FitzpatrickHelp This BookHeroic Public SpeakingCharlie Hoehn on The Knowledge Project with Shane ParrishGuest BioBrian Herriot is the founder of Time Freedom and the author of Time Freedom: Rethink Your Work and Money to Create a Life You Love Now. He is an author, speaker, registered investment advisor, financial advisor, business consultant, and co-host of The Time Freedom Podcast. His professional background includes management consulting roles at Accenture and Point B, as well as a director position at UCSF Health. Learn more at https://timefreedom.life/. (00:00) - Brian's Time Freedom Story (02:58) - Why Brian Wrote the Book (05:30) - Choosing Hybrid Publishing (09:53) - Building the Business Behind the Book (12:16) - Time Freedom vs Financial Freedom (16:46) - Making Nine Months Cover Twelve (19:47) - Remote Work and Flexible Work (23:18) - Who Can Actually Do This? (27:17) - Early Readers and Draft Feedback (31:51) - Tools for Testing a Book (33:32) - Testing Ideas Before Writing (36:00) - Writing the First Draft (40:26) - The Time Freedom Framework (46:52) - Writing a Better Ending (50:44) - Counterintuitive Money Advice ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Business development director and Raleigh commercial real estate enthusiast Jed Byrne joined me on Ditching Hourly to walk through the entire process of self-publishing his first book, Start Small Selling, from idea validation to Kickstarter funding to final production.We cover testing your book idea with real money, writing a first draft in 35 days, running a Kickstarter campaign to fund professional editing, finding and working with developmental editors, designing a book cover on a budget, and publishing through KDP and Lulu.Chapters(00:00) - Who Is Jed Byrne? (03:19) - The Hyper-Local Newsletter (07:59) - Why Write a Book? (11:41) - Testing the Idea (14:05) - The Writing Process (21:56) - The Kickstarter (31:04) - Building the Editing Team (36:23) - The Timeline (45:49) - Working with a Developmental Editor (52:40) - Designing the Cover (57:26) - Publishing with KDP and Lulu (01:00:00) - Start Small, Start Now Guest BioJed Byrne is a business development director at Barnhill Building Group, a North Carolina-based general contracting firm. Outside his day job, he runs Oak City CRE, a platform focused on Raleigh commercial real estate that includes a weekly Substack newsletter, a podcast, consulting, and his first book, Start Small Selling. You can reach Jed at books@oakcitycre.com.Resources Mentioned In This EpisodePeopleJed ByrneJed Byrne on LinkedInJonathan StarkTim FerrissSeth GodinNoah KaganRob FitzpatrickTucker MaxPat FlynnChandler BoltTim GrahlRochelle MoultonCorey QuinnMike MichalowiczDerek SiversDaniel PinkJed / Raleigh / AECOak City CREThe Top Five by Oak City CREDirt NC podcastBarnhill Building GroupStart Small Selling KickstarterStart Small Selling on AmazonUrban Land InstituteULI TriangleJed's book email from the episode - books@oakcitycre.comBooks / Book-Building ResourcesMillion Dollar Weekend by Noah KaganThe Mom Test by Rob FitzpatrickWrite Useful Books by Rob FitzpatrickHelp This BookThe Workshop Survival GuideThe Scribe MethodSelfPublishing.com / Self-Publishing SchoolReedsyEditorial Freelancers AssociationChicago Manual of StyleISBNs / BowkerAtticusPublishing / Production / Selling PlatformsKickstarterAmazon KDPLuluBlurbShopifyUpworkFiverrOtterpineMicrosoft WordCanvaInkscapeUSPS Media MailPodcast / Episode ReferencesMike Michalowicz on The Business of Authority ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Principal at Superstruct and author David Guttman joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about using OpenClaw and AI agents to delegate outcomes instead of micromanaging code.We talked about AI employees, chat-based agents, why OpenClaw feels different from coding tools, how David qualifies repeatable tasks for delegation, secure setup choices like Tailscale, and what collapsing software costs could mean for developers who still sell their time.(00:00) - Introduction to David Guttman (00:41) - From Superstruct Teams to AI Employees (05:19) - Testing Devin Against a Human Engineer (09:39) - What OpenClaw Adds to AI Agents (11:40) - Vibe Coding from Anywhere (15:52) - Pretending You Do Not Know How to Code (21:13) - Software Quality, Risk, and Real Requirements (23:56) - How OpenClaw Has Changed (31:52) - Qualifying Tasks for an AI Employee (37:07) - The Secure OpenClaw Setup Process (40:38) - Local Machines vs Cloud Servers (45:52) - Tailscale and Remote Access Security (48:08) - Teaching Clients to Train Their Agent (53:02) - Ask the Agent Before Asking the Expert (01:00:44) - Life-Changing Client Use Cases (01:03:34) - Disposable Software and the Future of Developers (01:09:44) - Productivity, Pricing, and Value (01:13:31) - Where to Find David David Guttman is the Principal at Superstruct, where he helps solopreneurs and founders set up AI employees. He is the author of The Superstruct Manifesto, as well as Fullstack Node.js and Fullstack React, and has held engineering leadership roles at Outlier.org and Interlincx after earlier work with Disney and AT&T Interactive. Learn more at davidguttman.com and david.app. ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Is the real reason you're underpaid your pricing model, or something much deeper?In this episode of the Interior Design Business Podcast, I wrap up our series on hourly billing versus design fees by exploring the real issue behind getting paid what you're worth: your relationship with money.Many designers believe switching from hourly billing to design fees will solve their profitability problems. But the truth is, neither pricing model works if you don't have healthy boundaries and the confidence to charge appropriately for your expertise.In this episode, I discuss how limiting money beliefs affect pricing decisions, why designers often discount their services without realizing it, and how childhood money stories continue to influence business decisions years later.We also talk about the importance of maintaining boundaries, receiving payment with confidence, creating a healthy exchange of value with clients, and replacing outdated beliefs that keep you underpaid.If you've been struggling to charge what you're worth, this episode will help you shift your mindset so you can confidently build a profitable design business.In this episode, we cover:Why pricing models alone won't solve underchargingHow money stories affect your business decisionsThe importance of strong client boundariesWhy designers discount themselves unnecessarilyChanging the language you use around moneyReceiving payment with confidenceCreating a healthy exchange of valueRecognizing and overcoming scarcity thinkingRewriting limiting beliefs from childhoodBuilding a mindset that supports being paid what you're worthShow notes are available at interiordesignbusinessacademy.comFollow us on Facebook: facebook.com/InteriorDesignBusinessAcademyFollow us on Instagram: instagram.com/interiordesignbusinessacademy

Send us Fan MailShownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/540.Tell me if this sounds familiar: you bill every hour, you chase down every dollar, and at the end of the month your profit margin still doesn't make sense.That's not a you problem. That's a billable hour problem.In this episode, Moshe talks about:The hidden conflict of interest built into every hourly invoiceWhy the 5x rule means your associate's salary math will never work under hourly billingThe profit margin gap between hourly firms (5–10%) and alternative fee firms (30–50%)Why hourly matters take 2.6x longer to close than flat fee mattersHow to remove retainers, trust accounting, and accounts receivable from your business entirelyThis is for the law firm owner who's tired of arguing with clients about six-minute increments and ready to get paid up front, every time.The takeaway: the firms making real money in this industry aren't the ones billing the most hours. They're the ones who stopped billing hours altogether.Chapters:[00:00] Discover why hourly billing creates client conflict in your law firm[08:07] Why attorney salaries and billable hours rarely add up to growth[09:32] Calculate your practice's true cost of relying on hourly billing[12:23] Uncover how flat fees boost attorney revenue and business predictability[14:57] Find your ideal flat fee pricing for common legal services[17:49] Drive efficiency in your firm by ditching the billable hour[21:12] Charge smarter: why waiting to bill clients stunts your cash flow[29:29] Why alternative fee arrangements increase law firm profit marginsResources mentioned:

In this episode, Jonathan Stark—author of Hourly Billing is Nuts and host of Ditching Hourly—shares how a 2005 realization while managing a dev shop led him to reject hourly billing and pursue value-based fees. He explains how fixed or value-based pricing aligns incentives with clients, reduces micromanagement, and can dramatically improve income and quality of life. Jonathan discusses why optimizing employee utilization can be the wrong goal, proposing outcome-based incentives that reward efficiency and accurate estimating. He also addresses the fear professionals have of fixed pricing, how firms can transition without risking the whole business via a side offering or a skunkworks team, and why soloists can grow without hiring by charging more and building authority. He recommends starting with his free course at valuepricingbootcamp.com. 00:00 Meet Jonathan Stark 00:46 The Hourly Billing Epiphany 03:37 Discovering Value Pricing 05:45 Hiring for Outcomes 10:15 Contractor Risk and Fear 14:21 When to Quit Hourly 15:52 How Firms Can Transition 19:58 Resources and Bootcamp 21:33 Growing Without Hiring 25:04 Final Soloist Advice

Learning and development facilitator Nikki Cross joined me on Ditching Hourly to share how she turned business books into a private podcast book club that helps members apply what they read.Nikki explains the mechanics of her Inner Work Business Book Club, how she uses a private podcast to turn book ideas into implementation, and why structure matters when business books are trying to change behavior instead of merely transferring information.Learn more about Nikki Cross and her work at The Inner Work. (00:00) - Introduction (00:22) - Nikki's Inner Work Business (01:38) - From Public Podcast to Private Book Club (06:32) - How the Book Club Episodes Work (13:51) - Reading Along, Listening Along, or Both (20:58) - From Edutainment to Implementation (24:03) - Fluff, Structure, and Business Books (31:42) - Choosing Books and Integration Months (36:50) - Books as Cheap Expertise, Audio as Proof (41:43) - How to Find Nikki ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Should interior designers charge hourly, or is there a better way?In this episode of the Interior Design Business Podcast, I break down one of the longest-running debates in the design industry: hourly billing versus fee-based design.While hourly billing can work in certain situations, it also creates significant challenges for both designers and clients when it's not managed properly. From inaccurate time tracking and delayed cash flow to client anxiety around costs and scope creep, hourly billing often creates more problems than designers realize.In this episode, I explain when hourly billing works, how to make it more effective, and the hidden pitfalls that can hurt profitability. We also discuss retainers, scope management, client communication, time tracking, and why experience should increase your value, not reduce it.If you've ever wondered whether hourly billing is helping or hurting your business, this episode will help you understand the advantages, disadvantages, and what to watch out for as your business grows.In this episode, we cover:Why hourly billing creates challenges for many designersThe importance of accurate time trackingHow delayed billing impacts cash flowWhy designers often underbill clientsUsing retainers to improve hourly billingManaging scope creep and additional requestsWhy client communication around money mattersThe hidden costs of hourly billingUnderstanding the difference between time and valueWhy experience should increase your earningsShow notes are available at interiordesignbusinessacademy.comFollow us on Facebook: facebook.com/InteriorDesignBusinessAcademyFollow us on Instagram: instagram.com/interiordesignbusinessacademy

Founder of Upshift, Shawn Yeager, joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about how AI is killing the billable hour and what professional services firms can do about it. Jonathan and Shawn dig into judgment versus execution, what firms should commercialize after AI, why cost-cutting is only the first move, and how agent workflows change what small and midsize firms can do.00:00 - Introduction01:54 - AI and the billable hour03:56 - The judgment sandwich05:19 - Strategy, execution, and hidden value09:06 - Client conversations about AI pressure13:26 - Validating AI output15:29 - Judgment, marketing, and cost of being wrong17:07 - AI transformation and commercialization20:08 - The hard parts big firms still need humans for22:20 - Cost recovery versus new offerings25:35 - Agents as extra employees26:40 - Interns versus chiefs of staff28:44 - Scaffolding agent workflows30:12 - From chatbots to delegated workflows37:00 - AI adoption inside firms42:01 - Closing remarksShawn Yeager runs Upshift, a firm focused on helping professional services firms understand what they sell after AI. His career has focused on emerging technology and getting it to market, including work on Microsoft's first browser team, the SaaS/cloud wave, mobile, Bitcoin, and AI. His background is in computer science, and his work has included sales, marketing, partnerships, consulting, Accenture, early-stage startups, and his own ventures. Learn more at upshiftco.com. (00:00) - Introduction (01:54) - AI and the billable hour (03:56) - The judgment sandwich (05:19) - Strategy, execution, and hidden value (09:06) - Client conversations about AI pressure (13:26) - Validating AI output (15:29) - Judgment, marketing, and cost of being wrong (17:07) - AI transformation and commercialization (20:08) - The hard parts big firms still need humans for (22:20) - Cost recovery versus new offerings (25:35) - Agents as extra employees (26:40) - Interns versus chiefs of staff (28:44) - Scaffolding agent workflows (30:12) - From chatbots to delegated workflows (37:00) - AI adoption inside firms (42:01) - Closing remarks ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Angular expert Alain Chautard rejoined me on Ditching Hourly to share how he scaled his certification business through partnerships and automation.Jonathan and Alain talk about turning niche expertise into a certification business, reducing support demands, using expert partners across time zones and languages, negotiating a licensing-style partnership, and what happens when a soloist plugs their business into a larger organization.00:00 - Introduction and Welcome Back03:24 - Creating the Angular Certification Program07:00 - Automating Customer Support10:04 - Scaling with Global Partnerships12:08 - Handling Certification Interviews15:04 - Partnerships and Business Growth20:05 - Negotiating a Business Partnership24:38 - Email Marketing Journey36:51 - Exploring New Content Formats38:51 - Mastermind Groups for SoloistsAlain Chautard is a Google Developer Expert in Angular who does consulting, training, and conference/content work around the Angular framework. He created an Angular certification program after clients asked for proof of completion beyond a simple training certificate. His work now includes helping teams make architecture decisions, get up to speed with Angular, and scale the certification business through partnerships. Learn more at alainchautard.com. ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Text me and tell me what you think of this ep. Value pricing means charging for the outcome your client gets, not the hours it took you to deliver it. In 2026, that distinction matters more than ever — because AI is making designers faster, and if you're still billing by the hour, that efficiency is going quietly to your client's pocket, not yours. Rhiannon Lee, AI strategist for Australian interior designers, breaks down exactly how to calculate, set, and communicate value-based project fees.→ Join the waitlist for the interior design pricing calculator: rhiannonlee.myflodesk.com/valueGET THE PROCESS MAPPED  OUT HERE──────────────────────────CHAPTERS──────────────────────────0:00 Why value pricing matters more in 2026 than ever before2:45 What's wrong with hourly billing when you're using AI6:10 What value pricing actually means — and what it doesn't9:30 How to calculate the transformation your client receives14:00 How to work out your floor and your ceiling18:20 How to present your fee without defending your hours22:45 How to handle "ChatGPT said this should cost $4,000"26:10 How AI efficiency affects your pricing model — risk or opportunity?30:00 What to do if you've been undercharging for years35:15 How to transition existing clients to new pricing38:40 The interior design pricing calculator — what it does and when it launches──────────────────────────RESOURCES MENTIONED──────────────────────────→ Pricing calculator waitlist: rhiannonlee.myflodesk.com/value→ Episode notes (full value pricing framework): [website link]→ Studio Build — 6-week AI implementation intensive: [link]→ Studio CEO — 12-week business coaching program: [link]→ Studio Learn — free resources for interior designers: [link]──────────────────────────ABOUT RHIANNON LEE──────────────────────────AI strategist for Australian interior designers. Former Oleander & Finch. Creator of the Studio Suite — Studio Learn, Studio Build, and Studio CEO — operational AI implementation for design businesses, not productivity theatre.→ Instagram: @the_rhiannonleeThanks for listening to this episode of "Designing Success: From Study to Studio"! Connect with me on social media for more business tips, and a real look behind the scenes of my own practicing design business. Grab  more insights and updates:Follow me on Instagram: https://instagram.com/oleander_and_finchLike Oleander & Finch on Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/oleanderandfinch For more FREE resources, templates, guides and information, visit the Designer Resource Hub  on my website ; https://oleanderandfinch.com/Ready to take your interior design business to the next level? Check out my online course, "The Framework," designed to provide you with everything they don't teach you in design school and to give you high touch mentorship  essential to having  a successful new business  in the industry. Check it out now and start designing YOUR own successTHE FRAMEWORK  ( now open)  https://www.oleanderandfinch.com/the-framework-for-emerging-designers/Remember to subscribe to the podcast and leave a review. Your feedback helps me continue providing valuable content to aspiring interior designers. Stay tuned for more episodes filled with actionable insights and inspiring conversations...

Data science consultant and podcast host Genevieve Hayes joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about podcasting as a boost for an expertise-based business.Chapters00:00 - Genevieve Hayes and Value-Driven Data Science02:27 - Committing to Start a Podcast05:35 - Simple Production Is Good Enough07:02 - First Guests and Inbound Momentum11:46 - The 100-Episode Surprises15:07 - Relationships Beat Direct Lead Gen18:12 - Pitching Guests and Building Luck Surface Area29:30 - Buyers, Peers, and Referral Paths34:58 - Almost Quitting, Seasons, and Persistence39:00 - Preparation, Editing, and Production Workflow42:18 - Editing as Learning and Content Fuel49:20 - What You Actually Need to Start58:20 - Guest Referrals, Swaps, and Live Formats68:40 - Podcasting vs. Writing for Trust78:30 - Landing Dream Guests and Wrap-UpGuest BioGenevieve Hayes is an actuary and statistician-turned-data scientist who helps organizations improve decision-making by quantifying uncertainty, often when data is sparse. She became a soloist in early 2022 and provides data science consulting services. She also mentors data professionals who want to transform their technical skills into strategic expertise and move from tactical execution to strategic advisory roles. Genevieve hosts Value-Driven Data Science, a podcast for practicing data professionals making that technical-to-strategic shift. Learn more at Value-Driven Data Science.  ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

In today's episode of Building the Premier Accounting Firm, Roger Knecht and Jonathan Stark discuss the pitfalls of hourly billing and the significant benefits of shifting to value-based pricing for accounting firms. Learn how to transform your business model, increase profitability, and build stronger client relationships by focusing on client outcomes rather than billable hours. This episode offers practical strategies for making this critical transition and leveraging your expertise effectively. In This Episode: 00:00 Introduction to the Podcast 01:21 The Problem with Hourly Billing 03:31 Discovering Value-Based Fees 06:25 Fixed vs. Value-Based Pricing 09:11 Understanding Value-Based Pricing 12:25 The 'Why Conversation' in Pricing 16:16 Transitioning to Value Pricing 20:54 Project-Based Value Pricing 29:19 Upfront vs. Commission-Based Pricing 37:07 Delivering Outcomes, Not Deliverables 38:49 Mindset Shift for Accounting Professionals 43:36 Transitioning to Fixed Pricing 48:31 Client's Perception of Value 53:46 Pricing Easy Work 55:19 Podcast Conclusion & Resources Key Takeaways: Identify how hourly billing negatively impacts firm profitability and motivation for efficiency. Understand the distinction between fixed pricing, deliverable-based pricing, and true value-based pricing. Implement a "why conversation" with clients to uncover the true value and urgency of their desired outcomes. Transition away from hourly billing by starting with project-based, value-priced offerings. Leverage client testimonials and past successes to inform future pricing and marketing strategies. Featured Quotes: "Hourly billing is causing all of these problems that we had been wrestling with." - Jonathan Stark "If you're not taking any risk, then you're not going to get any reward. You're not going to make any profits." - Jonathan Stark "If things feel hard and tedious, find the easy things that deliver a lot of value and set your prices based on the value of those things." - Roger Knecht Behind the Story: Jonathan Stark recounts his epiphany in 2005 when, as VP of a software firm, he discovered that hourly billing penalized efficiency and rewarded slowness. This realization prompted a personal quest for a better pricing model, leading him to discover value-based fees. His initial struggle to convince his boss highlighted the deeply ingrained nature of hourly billing, yet his eventual success led to doubling his income and significantly improving client relationships, experiences he now shares with other firm owners. Conclusion: Thank you for joining us for another episode of Building the Premier Accounting Firm with Roger Knecht. For more information on how you can establish your own accounting firm and take control of your time and income, call 435-344-2060 or schedule an appointment to connect with Roger's team here. 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Do you get paid for the expertise you bring to the table or simply for the number of hours you spend delivering it? And if your skill allows you to solve problems faster and better, should that mean earning less? In this episode of The Agency Blueprint podcast, I'm joined by Jonathan Stark to discuss why the hourly model fundamentally misaligns incentives for agencies, consultants, and clients alike. Jonathan is the author of Hourly Billing is Nuts, host of the Ditching Hourly podcast, and writes a daily newsletter on pricing for independent professionals. He helps experts package, price, and sell outcomes rather than time, leading to higher margins, stronger client relationships, and, ultimately, saner businesses and agencies. Listen in to learn how hourly billing often leads to strained client relationships, unpredictable budgets, and capped revenue potential for agencies. You will also learn about three powerful alternatives to hourly billing that agencies can implement to improve profitability and client satisfaction. Key Questions: [01:04] If hourly billing creates so many limitations, what alternative pricing models could your agency adopt today? [04:56] Are you unintentionally rewarding slower work and discouraging expertise by billing clients by the hour? [26:44] Do you think it's unethical to advocate for the idea of different prices for the same service depending on the person that's in front of you? [29:31] What kind of agency do you want to build over the next three years? One with predictable productized services or one focused on high-value custom projects? What You'll Discover: [01:21] The pivotal moment Jonathan realized hourly billing was flawed, and how shifting to fixed or value-based pricing changes incentives. [04:56] Unlike hourly pricing, fixed or value-based pricing leads to happier clients because it eliminates billing anxiety and constant deadline pressure. [08:00] The concept of packaging expertise into digital products, allowing agencies to generate scalable income without direct client involvement. [10:50] How low-priced products can double as marketing tools that build trust and lead to higher-value client engagements. [12:02] Productized services: fixed-scope offerings with published pricing that simplify the sales process. [13:57] The difference between productized services and value-based projects, including when each pricing model makes the most sense for agencies. [20:24] Why a paid discovery phase is a practical way to qualify clients while delivering immediate strategic value. [23:07] The Maximum Price Formula, where price potential is determined by client desire, available budget, and perceived alternatives. [27:03] Why value-based pricing should focus on measurable business results, not just deliverables like page counts or design assets. [29:55] Practical advice for agencies transitioning away from hourly billing, which includes starting with a paid discovery phase as a simple first step. Connect with Jonathan: Website

What does the data actually say about where accounting firms are headed? Blake Oliver talks with Chelsea Summers of Inside Public Accounting about the real numbers behind firm performance, pricing, staffing, offshoring, advisory growth, and AI adoption. You'll hear why top firms aren't just working people harder, how offshore teams are boosting margins, and why hourly billing may be the biggest obstacle to using technology well.Chapters(00:00) - EAP 112 (04:45) - Advisory vs compliance mix (09:40) - Capacity and burnout signals (18:27) - Pricing models and billable hour (25:08) - AI ROI and adoption blockers (29:37) - About IPA and closing Sign up to get free CPE for listening to this podcasthttps://earmarkcpe.comhttps://earmark.app/Download the Earmark CPE App Apple: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/earmark-cpe/id1562599728Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.earmarkcpe.appConnect with Our Guest, Chelsea SummersLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelseasummers620/Learn more about Inside Public Accountinghttp://insidepublicaccounting.comConnect with Blake Oliver, CPALinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/blaketoliverTwitter: https://twitter.com/blaketoliver/

In this episode of Ditching Hourly, host Jonathan Stark welcomes Carl Franklin, co-host of the .NET Rocks podcast, to discuss the intricacies and benefits of value pricing. Listeners will gain insights into how value pricing can transform their business approach, moving away from the traditional hourly billing model.The conversation covers key topics such as the differences between fixed pricing and hourly billing, the importance of the "why" conversation with clients, and strategies for handling project changes. Carl shares his experiences with proposal options, client negotiations, and overcoming resistance to value pricing.(00:00) Introduction(00:15) Carl Franklin's Background(02:09) Early Podcasting Days(04:39) The Starbucks Card Story(05:44) Introduction to Value Pricing(07:06) Fixed Pricing vs. Hourly(08:01) The Why Conversation(08:45) First Experiences with Value Pricing(20:39) Proposal Options and Client Choices(23:09) Handling Project Changes(25:02) Partnering and Value Pricing(27:00) Payment Terms and Client Negotiations(40:59) Expertise and Pricing Strategy(41:52) Overcoming Resistance to Value Pricing(44:02) Collaborative Projects and Revenue Sharing(45:44) Carl's Current Projects and Podcasts(48:54) Closing RemarksCarl Franklin is a seasoned podcaster and developer, best known as the co-host of the .NET Rocks podcast, which has been a staple in the developer community since 2002. Learn more about Carl and his work at .NET Rocks. ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Pranav Kale returns for another reverse interview — this time grilling Jonathan about his personal productivity and time management system.Jonathan walks through the system he's refined over two decades and used with his private coaching students: from consolidating all your to-dos in one place, to creating SOPs for recurring tasks, to the "event loop" that drives his day. The core idea: when you have the right things on your list and the right things in your calendar, you can just do whatever you feel like — and your business still moves forward.Topics covered include why your calendar is not a to-do list, how procrastination is actually a useful signal, the "love-hate list" for designing your ideal workday, why batching doesn't work for everyone, and the Segovia principle — why one focused hour beats five mediocre ones.This one's especially relevant for soloists who've tried rigid productivity systems and found they don't stick.Chapters00:00 Introduction01:00 The Three Buckets Every Soloist Needs06:16 Get All Your To-Dos in One Place09:14 SOPs and Checklists: Stop Winging It18:23 The Feast-Famine Trigger20:16 Why Your Calendar Is Not a To-Do List25:40 The Event Loop30:20 Procrastination Is a Signal37:37 When You Hate Part of a Task, Cut It42:06 The Love-Hate List49:15 Batching vs. Gardening Your Business56:22 How the System Came Together59:00 The Segovia Principle67:05 Adapting This to Your Personality70:41 Pranav's TakeawaysPranav Kale helps soloists find their one big idea through his Big Idea Sprint. Learn more at pranavkale.com. ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Best-selling author, speaker, and management adviser Joe Pine joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss his new book, The Transformation Economy, why it applies especially well to consultants, coaches, and advisors, and gives some tips on how to price transformations.Chapters(00:00) - Welcome and Introduction (00:26) - Discussing the Experience Economy (00:43) - Introducing the Transformation Economy (01:26) - Understanding Transformations and Aspirations (04:15) - Frameworks for Identity Change (07:09) - Real-Life Examples of Transformations (13:27) - Pricing Transformations and Value (18:01) - Guaranteeing Transformations (22:52) - Navigating Client Relationships (23:08) - The Power of Commitment (23:58) - Value-Based Pricing (25:01) - The Turnaround King (26:15) - Maintaining Progress and Overcoming Setbacks (28:13) - Commitment to the Process (29:41) - Measuring Success and Transformation (36:51) - Creating a Sustainable Business Model (37:20) - Book Launch and Writing Process (42:05) - Conclusion and Resources Joe's BioB. Joseph Pine II is an internationally acclaimed author, speaker, and management adviser to Fortune 500 companies and entrepreneurial startups alike, and he is the cofounder of Strategic Horizons LLP. He is the coauthor of the bestselling book The Experience Economy with James H. Gilmore, as well as Infinite Possibility with Kim C. Korn. His other books include Authenticity and Mass Customization. Pine consults with numerous companies around the world. He is a lecturer in the Strategic Technology Leadership program at Northeastern University's D'Amore-McKim School of Business and a senior fellow with the European Centre for the Experience Economy, which he cofounded.Related LinksJoe's website » strategichorizons.comJoe's previous appearance on Ditching Hourly » podcast.ditchinghourly.com/episodes/joe-pine-on-pricing-experiencesJoe's previous appearance on TBOA » thebusinessofauthority.com/episodes/the-experience-economy-with-guest-joe-pine ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Jason Staats joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about his progression from being an employee in an accounting firm to running the top accounting community on the planet.LinksJason's websiteJason's YouTubeChapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:19) - Jason's Background and Career Journey (01:42) - Transition to Online Content Creation (02:42) - Early Challenges and Successes in Video Content (08:10) - The Importance of Writing and Speaking (10:09) - Building Authority and Professional Visibility (18:50) - Starting and Growing a Community (22:27) - The Attraction Offer Strategy (23:09) - Lessons from the Akimbo Workshop (25:08) - Building Community Retention (27:43) - Managing Community Dynamics (34:08) - Onboarding and Engagement Tactics (35:58) - Revenue Streams and Sponsorships (39:04) - Challenges and Advice for Content Creators (42:58) - Final Thoughts and Contact Information ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Hourly Billing Is Nuts: How to Boost Profits with Value Pricing with Jonathan Stark   Find Rocky Lalvani @ www.ProfitComesFirst.com or email him at rocky@profitcomesfirst.com   Most business owners don't realize the hidden cost of hourly billing. It's not just that it can feel annoying. It's that it can cap your income, misalign incentives, and create friction and distrust with clients—especially when estimates blow up.   In this episode of Profit Answer Man, Rocky Lalvani sits down with Jonathan Stark, former software developer and author of Hourly Billing is Nuts, who's been on a mission since 2006 to help experts stop selling time and start pricing for outcomes. Together they break down why hourly billing creates an "artificial ceiling," how fixed pricing changes the client relationship, and how to protect yourself from scope creep by tying everything back to outcomes.    In This Episode, You'll Learn: Why hourly billing creates an artificial ceiling on income (even at high hourly rates).  Why clients hate hourly projects when estimates go wrong—and how it destroys trust.  How fixed pricing rewards efficiency (and why hourly pricing financially punishes smart shortcuts).  The difference between selling inputs/deliverables vs selling the outcome.  Why most people think "value pricing won't work in my industry"—and what's really missing (the "why" conversation).  How to handle "scope creep" by using the agreed outcome as a filter—and parking non-essential requests.  A practical bridge for hourly billers: offering an estimate vs a higher fixed-price option to shift risk and provide certainty.    The Big Takeaway: Hourly billing isn't just a pricing method. It's an incentive system—and it often incentivizes the wrong things. When you price by the hour, you cap your upside and risk creating tension with clients when projects run long. When you price for outcomes, you align incentives so both sides win when the work gets done faster (without sacrificing quality), and you create a healthier, more trusting relationship.    Bio: Jonathan Stark is a former software developer who is on a mission to rid the world of hourly billing. He is the author of Hourly Billing Is Nuts, the host of Ditching Hourly, and writes a daily newsletter on pricing for independent professionals.   Links: Website: valuepricingbootcamp.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanstark/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheJonathanStarkShow   Conclusion: Hourly billing feels normal in a lot of industries—but as Jonathan explains, it often creates an artificial ceiling on your income and puts the client in the risky position of betting on an estimate that may not hold up. That's when trust erodes, projects get contentious, and both sides lose.  A fixed price (and ultimately value-based pricing) changes the game: incentives align, efficiency gets rewarded instead of punished, and you can protect the work by filtering scope decisions through the agreed outcome—parking anything that doesn't contribute until after you "declare victory."  If you're currently billing by the hour, this episode is your reminder that the goal isn't just to charge more—it's to price in a way that supports better relationships, better results, and a business model that doesn't depend on maxing out your calendar.    Ready to stop selling time and start selling outcomes? Explore Jonathan's work at https://jonathanstark.com/ and check out http://valuepricingbootcamp.com to learn practical ways to move away from hourly billing.    #ProfitAnswerMan #ProfitFirst #ValuePricing #HourlyBilling #PricingStrategy #Consulting #ProfessionalServices #BusinessProfit #CashFlow   Watch the full episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@profitanswerman Sign up to be notified when the next cohort of the Profit First Experience Course is available! Free Copy of the Profit Blueprint Book: : https://lp.profitcomesfirst.com/landing-page-page  Monthly Newsletter signup: https://lp.profitcomesfirst.com/newsletter-signup Relay Bank (affiliate link): https://relayfi.com/?referralcode=profitcomesfirst Profit Answer Man Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/profitanswerman/ My podcast about living a richer more meaningful life: http://richersoul.com/ Music provided by Junan from Junan Podcast Any financial advice is for educational purposes only and you should consult with an expert for your specific needs.

Rural planning advisor Ben Kettle joined me on Ditching Hourly to share his transition from hourly billing “nonsense” to risk-based project pricing. LinksBen's website » https://areteruralplanning.co.uk/Chapters(00:00) - Ben Kettle (00:20) - Meet the Guest: Ben Kettle (00:36) - Ben's Background and Career Journey (02:57) - Challenges with Hourly Billing (09:01) - Transition to Fixed Fee and Value-Based Pricing (13:23) - Implementing the New Pricing Model (25:48) - Client Reactions and Success Stories (34:08) - Conclusion and Future Plans ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

"The hardest thing is to not try and solve their problem in the sales interview, just listen to the business case, and then come up with clever ways to achieve that business case really as easily as you possibly can. So you're looking for smaller projects, not bigger projects. It's, it's a complete mind shift." -Jonathan Stark Jonathan Stark,  author of Hourly Billing is Nuts, breaks down why hourly billing holds you back. He shares how shifting to value-based pricing changes your income, your clients, and your time. Jonathan explains how writing, teaching, and niching help you stand out, and why clients buy outcomes, peace of mind, and confidence, not hours. In this interview, you'll also learn: Why hourly billing rewards inefficiency & limits growth What mindset shifts you need to stop selling time How specialization & authority support higher pricing To learn more about Jonathan, click here. Get a copy of his book, Hourly Billing Is Nuts, at this link. Connect with him on LinkedIn. Time Stamps 00:58 – Why hourly billing is nuts & how Jonathan discovered it 04:00 – Discovering value-based fees & applying them in year one 05:40 – Breaking the habit of scoping during sales calls 09:18 – Pricing options based on outcomes, not deliverables 11:30 – How fixed pricing improves trust & client behavior 16:21 – Connecting your work to revenue growth or cost reduction 18:55 – Selling peace of mind as a measurable outcome 20:58 – Why working fewer hours should not mean earning less 22:31 – How AI & automation increase value, not risk 25:35 – Why predictable pricing benefits both you & your clients 29:00 – Identifying what different clients truly value 31:09 – Letting go of poor-fit clients to grow sustainably 36:10 – Why Jonathan wrote Hourly Billing Is Nuts 38:57 – Books that support the shift away from hourly billing 42:17 – What it means to "own your authority" 44:25 – Why being different matters more than being cheaper 47:07 – Using specialization to escape price competition 48:57 – Writing as a long-term growth strategy 50:12 – Where to find Jonathan's free resources Your expertise has more value than you think, so Own Your Authority at The Successful Bookkeeper Summit 2026! It's a high-energy two-day virtual experience for bookkeepers ready to lead with confidence and elevate their impact. Join inspiring leaders on November 4th–5th to gain actionable strategies, powerful tools, and the clarity to shape the work you want, not just keep up with it. Don't miss this incredible opportunity! REGISTER TODAY!

Learn how B2B teams can scale creative operations, cut the busywork, and show up consistently with content that resonates. Charging by the hour? You're leaving money on the table. In this episode, host Jason Bradwell sits down with Jonathan Stark - author of Hourly Billing Is Nuts and host of the Ditching Hourly podcast - for a masterclass in pricing, positioning, and why daily publishing changed everything for his business. Jonathan breaks down why hourly billing traps experts in low-profit margins, the difference between cost-plus and actual value-based pricing, and his "scope last" principle that flips traditional consulting on its head. He also shares how publishing daily helped him build a loyal audience, deepen his expertise, and turn strangers into superfans. Whether you're a solo consultant or running a B2B service business, this conversation delivers clear, actionable frameworks to work less, charge more, and stand out. Jason and Jonathan dive straight into why hourly billing is fundamentally broken. It punishes efficiency, caps your income, and makes clients focus on time instead of outcomes. Jonathan explains the "fixed pricing trap" most consultants fall into, they think they're doing value-based pricing when they're really just doing cost-plus (estimate hours, multiply by rate, add margin). Real value-based pricing starts with understanding what success is worth to the client. The conversation shifts to Jonathan's signature principle: scope last. Instead of leading with what you'll do, lead with the outcome the client wants and price based on that value. Only after they say yes do you figure out the most efficient way to deliver it. This requires strong positioning, becoming the only choice for a specific problem, not the cheapest option among many. They explore how daily publishing transformed Jonathan's business. He's published something every single day for years, creating what he calls "asymmetric intimacy" his audience feels like they know him deeply even if they've never met. This built trust at scale and turned his owned media into a long-term growth engine that compounds over time. Jonathan shares practical newsletter tactics: the capture phase (getting people on the list), writing cadence (daily works for him), and why podcasting is like building localized celebrity. They also discuss burnout risks, how AI fits in (spoiler: it's a tool, not a replacement for thinking), and Jonathan's advice for anyone launching a podcast or daily newsletter: done is better than perfect, just start. If you're stuck in the pricing-versus-scoping cycle or charging by the hour and feeling trapped, Jonathan's frameworks will fundamentally shift how you think about your business. This isn't theory, it's battle-tested advice from someone who's helped thousands of consultants escape the hourly trap. Plus, his insights on daily publishing offer a blueprint for building trust and authority in any B2B market. 00:00 - Introduction: From developer to pricing evangelist 01:30 - Why hourly billing is broken 04:00 - The fixed pricing trap and cost-plus confusion 06:00 - What value-based pricing actually looks like 08:00 - Scope last: price outcomes, not inputs 10:00 - Positioning: become the only choice 13:00 - Daily publishing and asymmetric intimacy 16:30 - Owned media as a growth engine 20:00 - Newsletter tactics and writing cadence 23:30 - Podcasting builds localized celebrity 26:00 - Burnout, AI, and sustainability 30:00 - Advice for launching a podcast or daily list 34:00 - Done beats perfect—just start 38:00 - Final takeaways on pricing and standing out Connect with Jason Bradwell on LinkedIn Connect with Jonathan Stark on LinkedIn Visit Hourly Billing Is Nuts Visit Ditching Hourly Explore B2B Better website and the Pipe Dream podcast

Co-founder of Conversion Factory, Zach Stevens, rejoined me on Ditching Hourly to give us an update on how he's growing his subscription SaaS marketing agency in year 3. Links We MentionedConversion Factory WebsiteZach's partner Corey, on XThe Superstruct Manifesto by David GuttmanThe "If You're Such An Expert" Ditcherville ComicChapters(00:00) - Introduction and Welcome (00:10) - Zach's Business Journey (01:19) - Conversion Factory's Growth (02:26) - Subscription Model Insights (04:04) - Hiring and Team Expansion (08:32) - Training and Onboarding (20:48) - Client Management Strategies (30:00) - Client Frustrations and Communication Strategies (31:04) - The Inefficiency of Phone Calls (33:19) - Setting Client Expectations (37:05) - AI in Copywriting and Design (45:53) - Subscription Model Benefits (54:49) - Final Thoughts and Future Plans ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Did you know that a proper legal defense in a high-stakes case can cost upwards of $250,000? In this episode of the Colorado Business Podcast, we sit down with attorneys Michael Stuzynski and Beau Worthington from Rector Stuzynski Law Firm to uncover the uncomfortable truths about the American legal system.From the reality of "pay-to-play" justice to the secrets insurance giants don't want you to know, Michael and Beau peel back the curtain on what it really takes to win against the odds. We discuss why the system is stacked against the "little guy," how AI is changing the courtroom, and why sometimes you need a "mercenary" rather than a polite lawyer when your life is on the line.

Charles Miller of Platoon joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss “good” taste, how you get it, why you might want it, and what to do when your clients don't have it. LinksCharles' personal site » https://www.charlesmiller.com/Charles' portfolio site » https://www.platoon.studio/Chapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:11) - Defining Taste (00:19) - Charles Miller's Background (00:59) - The Concept of Informed Opinion (02:20) - Developing Taste Over Time (05:50) - Taste in Different Domains (08:44) - Taste and Business Decisions (16:42) - Client Relationships and Taste (21:30) - Understanding Client Needs (24:00) - The Role of Taste in Design (25:28) - The Importance of Practice (27:09) - Releasing Your Work to the World (27:52) - The Role of Taste Makers (30:11) - Balancing Client Expectations and Creative Vision (34:36) - The Genius of Simplifying Complex Ideas (40:07) - Final Thoughts and Wrap Up ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

We are big fans of the productized service model and equate our rate to a set hourly limitation and internal billable rate. This isn't a secret. We've had multiple episodes on why knowing your internal hourly rate is crucial.Then we received an email from Jonathan Stark's team wanting to tell us why hourly billing and fixation on hourly tracking is "nuts".For an hour and a half, Jonathan steps into the ring with us to challenge the idea of hourly billing and time tracking with his value-based pricing model.Does he convince us his way is better? Or do we make him see the error of his value-based ways?-----Check out Jonathan at his website:https://jonathanstark.com/Learn more about his book, "Hourly Billing is Nuts":https://jonathanstark.com/hbin-----RESOURCES:Want the tools and resources we recommend for agencies? Check them out here:https://www.agencygrowthpod.com/tools-----NEWSLETTERWant the show in your inbox? Sign up for the newsletter!https://www.agencygrowthpod.com/newsletter-----COMMUNITYLooking to join a community of agency owners? Join our Discord!https://discord.gg/uvHRRRFVRD-----CONTACTGot something to say? Send us a message:https://www.agencygrowthpod.com/contact

Hourly billing was keeping Jeremy Slack stuck — exhausted, underpaid, and working late nights just to stay afloat. In this powerful case study, Michelle Weinstein talks with Jeremy about how he restructured his firm, replaced his salary, and added $425K in annual retainers by shifting to a value-based model. From sleepless nights and a demanding boss to landing multi–six-figure clients and quitting his job, Jeremy shares what changed when he stopped selling time and started selling results. His story is proof that confidence, clarity, and the right system can transform both your business and your life.

Stephen Candelmo is a corporate lawyer turned tech founder who has spent nearly thirty years advising emerging companies and building his own ventures. In this episode, he explains how a recession, a machine learning experiment, and a desire for fairness inspired him to create Paralex, a legal platform that delivers fixed-fee, AI-powered legal services for small businesses and startups. He also shares why he believes the legal profession is on the edge of a major transformation.Lawyer Side HustlesStephen's entrepreneurial path began long before Paralex. While still practicing corporate law, he launched a machine learning startup focused on sentiment analytics. The company served well-known customers and gave him a deeper understanding of product design, customer behavior, and the commercial side of technology. Years later, when large language models became available, he immediately began prototyping legal use cases instead of simply experimenting for fun.“Once you start innovating, you are always on the lookout for the next thing. It becomes a shift in mindset,” Stephen Candelmo expresses in Episode 222 of You Are a Lawyer.Paralex is the culmination of decades of corporate experience, business curiosity, and belief in legal accessibility. His side ventures were never hobbies. They were stepping stones that helped him create a platform where AI handles routine legal tasks while lawyers provide oversight, judgment, and accountability. For Stephen, entrepreneurship is not separate from being a lawyer. It is an extension of what lawyers can do when they combine their training with creativity.This episode is produced by Skip the Boring Stuff, a podcast strategy company for business owners and creatives.

Author of No BS Strategy, Alex M H Smith, rejoined me on Ditching Hourly to help define a very important word that few business people understand correctly.Chapters(00:00) - Introduction and Welcome (00:11) - Guest Introduction: Alex Smith (01:30) - Understanding Business Strategy (02:02) - The Misunderstood Concept of Value (04:15) - Creating Value in Business (07:55) - Innovating Beyond Traditional Value (13:01) - Practical Examples and Market Research (18:14) - Unique Value Proposition (29:23) - Understanding Differentiation in Business (29:56) - The Importance of Unique Positioning (30:36) - Consulting Strategies and Unique Differences (31:32) - Examples of Effective Differentiation (33:23) - The Role of Specialization in Strategy (38:30) - Embracing Weaknesses for Strategic Advantage (40:53) - Balancing Specialization and Market Reach (41:51) - The Pitfalls of Over-Niching (48:28) - Rooting in Recognizable Categories (53:20) - Conclusion and Resources Guest LinksAlex's free resources » https://basicarts.org/welcome/Alex's book » https://basicarts.org/book/Alex's mailing list » https://basicarts.org/articles/Alex's LinkedIn » https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-m-h-smith/ ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Professor-in-residence at StoryBrand and host of the new podcast Badass Softie, Dr. J.J. Peterson, joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss how to strike a balance between authority and empathy. And be sure to stick around to the end to hear J.J.'s take on AI's impact on professional services and how to avoid creating ‘louder garbage' :-)Chapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:17) - JJ Peterson's Current Ventures (01:11) - The Concept of 'Badass Softie' (03:26) - StoryBrand Framework Explained (06:20) - Empathy and Authority in Leadership (08:42) - Balancing Empathy and Authority in Coaching (12:38) - Personal Experiences and Coaching Styles (16:05) - Communicating Empathy and Authority Effectively (24:44) - Engaging Your Audience with Empathy and Authority (28:06) - Controlling the Narrative in Marketing (29:07) - Embracing Your Authentic Self as a Guide (31:41) - Overcoming Imposter Syndrome (40:52) - The Importance of Niching Down (47:35) - Leveraging AI in Professional Services (51:39) - Conclusion and Final Thoughts LinksJ.J.'s website » https://www.drjjpeterson.com/J.J.'s podcast » https://www.badasssoftie.com/ ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Solo data advisor Shachar Meir (ex-Meta, ex-PayPal) joined me on Ditching hourly to share the details of his transition from being a manager in massive corporate environments to becoming a successful solo consultant.Chapters (00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (01:05) - Shachar's Professional Background (03:47) - Transition to Solo Entrepreneurship (13:51) - First Steps as a Solopreneur (15:59) - Landing the First Project (20:25) - Facing the Challenges of Solopreneurship (25:11) - Navigating the Steep Learning Curve (26:17) - The Importance of Networking and Mentorship (29:52) - Leveraging LinkedIn for Business Growth (33:25) - The Art of Content Creation (43:18) - Financial Stability and Client Acquisition (51:47) - Final Thoughts and Advice Shachar's LinksLinkedIn Profile » https://www.linkedin.com/in/shacharmeir/YouTube Channel » https://www.youtube.com/@shacharmeir ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

(NOTE: this ep was recorded in October 2025, but I didn't get around to publishing it until March 2026. It was WILD listening to the AI portions of the conversation five months later - post OpenClaw.)Old friend and self-described “workaholic” developer Tim Dietrich joined me on Ditching Hourly to share his journey from FileMaker freelancer to the undisputed SuiteQL expert in the NetSuite ecosystem — a niche so specific that the platform itself became his marketing engine.We also dig into what happens when AI comes for your platform and how to think about the next wave.Chapters(00:00) - Introduction (00:53) - Tim's Background (03:02) - Early Career and FileMaker Days (06:08) - Transition to NetSuite (16:02) - SuiteQL and SQL Integration (21:00) - Positioning as SuiteQL Expert (30:03) - Managing Demand and Consulting Opportunities (34:39) - Current Client Work and Scaling Back (36:01) - The Rise of AI in NetSuite (50:27) - Comparing to Other Waves and Platforms (01:05:37) - Exploring Monetization Strategies (01:22:31) - Future Trends and Opportunities ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Big Idea archaeologist Pranav Kale joined me on Ditching Hourly for a reverse interview about my journey to the center of the solar system.Chapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:39) - Pranav's Evolution and Current Focus (03:01) - Jonathan's Epiphany on Hourly Billing (06:26) - The Trust Fracture in Hourly Billing (07:45) - Jonathan's Problem-Solving Journey (16:59) - The Move to Rhode Island and Finding the Solution (22:38) - Implementing Value-Based Pricing (26:30) - Content Creation and Teaching Others (30:35) - Understanding Business Personality Types (31:08) - The Journey to Writing a Book (31:56) - Transitioning to Advisory Roles (32:37) - The Impact of the iPhone Announcement (33:37) - Responsive Web Design and Consulting (35:46) - Facing Criticism and Adjusting Messaging (39:50) - Finding the Central Theme (53:06) - The Importance of Differentiation (59:53) - Concluding Thoughts and Advice ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Laravel expert Joel Clermont joined me on Ditching Hourly to share how he and his co-founder run their successful dev subscription business. Chapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Introduction (00:16) - Joel's Background and Business Model Transition (01:54) - Launching the Dev Subscription Model (04:47) - Marketing and Initial Success (07:44) - Client Profiles and Demand (11:19) - Managing Client Expectations and Scope (18:58) - Onboarding and Project Management (21:21) - Handling Messy Projects and Infrastructure (25:06) - Client Capacity and Longevity (26:47) - Exploring Client Sizes and Ideal Fits (28:39) - Balancing Workload and Client Expectations (32:06) - Ensuring Client Satisfaction (34:47) - Managing Work and Time Effectively (43:11) - Challenges and Downsides of Subscription Model (47:54) - Marketing Strategies for Developers (52:52) - Conclusion and Resources Joel's LinksJoel's website » https://nocompromises.io/Joel's books » https://masteringlaravel.io/booksJoel's courses » https://masteringlaravel.io/coursesJoel's community » https://masteringlaravel.io/community ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

SummaryIn this episode, Ryan and Mike interview Jonathan Stark, a consultant and author, who shares his journey from software development to coaching on value-based pricing. They discuss the pitfalls of hourly billing, the importance of understanding value, and the significance of the 'why' conversation in client interactions. Jonathan emphasizes the need for a shift in perspective from self-interest to client satisfaction, and he outlines effective pricing strategies, including the use of guarantees to mitigate risk. The conversation also touches on establishing authority in one's field and the benefits of narrowing focus to become a recognized expert.TakeawaysJonathan Stark transitioned from software development to coaching on pricing.Hourly billing can lead to misaligned incentives and poor client outcomes.Value-based pricing focuses on the client's perceived value rather than costs.The 'why' conversation helps uncover client motivations and needs.Setting prices based on value can lead to better profitability.Offering guarantees can alleviate client concerns about quality and service.Establishing authority in a niche can lead to higher pricing and demand.Narrowing focus helps in becoming a recognized expert in a field.Proposals should offer multiple pricing tiers to maximize client options.Understanding customer satisfaction is key to long-term business success.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Jonathan Stark02:56 The Shift from Hourly Billing to Value-Based Pricing09:31 Understanding Value-Based Pricing12:56 The Importance of the 'Why' Conversation18:47 Negotiating Prices and Payment Terms25:39 Shifting Perspective: From Self to Client30:42 Creating Customer Satisfaction38:57 Proposals and Pricing Strategies47:49 Guarantees and Risk Mitigation59:52 Establishing Authority in Your FieldCredits:Hosted by Ryan Roghaar and Michael SmithProduced by Ryan RoghaarTheme music: "Perfect Day" by OPM  The Eggs Podcast Spotify playlist:bit.ly/eggstunesThe Plugs:The Show: eggscast.com@eggshow on X and InstagramOn iTunes: itun.es/i6dX3pCOnStitcher: bit.ly/eggs_on_stitcherAlso available on Google Play Music!Mike "DJ Ontic": Shows and info: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠djontic.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@djontic on twitterRyan Roghaar:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠rogha.ar

Digital marketing strategist Eleanor Mayrhofer joined me on Ditching Hourly to describe exactly how she productized her web design services. Links:Eleanor's website » https://www.eleanormayrhofer.com/ditchingEleanor's LinkedIn » https://www.linkedin.com/in/eleanormayrhofer/Chapters:(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:14) - Eleanor's Background and Business Model (00:52) - Straight to Non-Hourly (02:01) - Starting a Solo Business During COVID (02:44) - Initial Market Approach and Challenges (03:48) - Developing a Productized Service (04:25) - Current Business Model: Website in a Week (05:31) - Client Interaction and Project Scope (09:40) - Copywriting and Strategy Sessions (16:31) - Handling Project Scope and Client Expectations (21:24) - Marketing and Client Acquisition (23:20) - Client Commissions and Referrals (23:40) - Subscription Maintenance Services (24:53) - Positioning and Target Audience (25:53) - Overcoming Launch Procrastination (27:11) - Client Collaboration and Revisions (28:55) - Technical Setup and DNS Challenges (31:25) - Post-Launch Support and Testimonials (33:13) - Pros and Cons of Productized Services (36:55) - Sales Process and Lead Time (38:55) - Long-Term Plans and Project Juggling (41:01) - Avoiding Boredom with Productized Services (42:20) - Conclusion and Contact Information ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Founder of The Upside, Erin Halper, joined me on Ditching Hourly to share her pro tips on creating and sustaining a premium online community. Erin's Links:Erin's community » https://betheupside.com/Erin's LinkedIn » https://www.linkedin.com/in/erinhalper/Chapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:19) - Erin Halper's Background and The Upside Community (03:19) - Challenges and Evolution of The Upside (07:24) - Starting and Running a Community (09:18) - Best Practices for Community Management (24:08) - Pricing Strategies for Independent Consultants (30:19) - Navigating Agency Subcontracting (30:52) - Building and Scaling Your Business (31:42) - Lifestyle and Impact in Consulting (33:00) - Celebrating Wins and Community Support (34:26) - Visibility and Positioning (36:03) - Pricing Strategies and Market Shifts (37:47) - Maintaining Boundaries in Community (40:30) - Application Process and Membership Cap (43:40) - Quarterly Open House Strategy (47:18) - Onboarding and Member Matching (55:26) - Concluding Thoughts and Contact Information ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Communications consultant Lynn Safranek joined me on Ditching Hourly to learn how to apply value pricing to an industry where the consultant can't control the outcome.(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:11) - Understanding Upstream Contributions (00:23) - Lynn's Background and Expertise (01:05) - The Value Pricing Dilemma (01:21) - Client Communication Challenges (02:45) - Media Engagement Strategies (05:01) - Defining Client Needs and Goals (08:08) - Crafting Effective Messaging (14:32) - Measuring Success and Impact (20:42) - Leveraging Media Coverage for Nonprofits (21:26) - Budget Autonomy of Communications Directors (22:41) - Crafting Compelling Stories for Donations (24:33) - Exploring Budget Scenarios for Media Hits (26:03) - Creative Strategies for Media Attention (26:58) - Evaluating the Impact of Media Hits (29:21) - Developing a Comprehensive Media Strategy (31:35) - Reverse Engineering Media Success (38:40) - Thinking Beyond Traditional Roles (42:35) - Conclusion and Final Thoughts Lynn's Links:Lynn on LinkedIn » https://www.linkedin.com/in/lynnsafranek/ ----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

Brand strategist and founder of SwayRise Creative, Diane Whiddon, joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about how adding a discrete - and legitimately useful - AI-based productized service to her branding business tapped into a longstanding demand in her client base. Diane's LinksSwayRise Creative » https://swayrisecreative.com/Content Creator Lab » https://aicontentcreatorlab.comChapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:34) - Diane's Background and Career Journey (01:44) - Discovering Value Pricing and Meeting Jonathan (03:44) - The Impactful Discovery Call (07:18) - Focusing and Scaling the Business (15:08) - Incorporating AI into Business (19:16) - AI Photo Shoots and Branding (33:33) - Ethical Considerations and Client Expectations (34:57) - Technical Aspects of AI Image Creation (37:02) - Using Image References and Editing Tools (37:56) - Cost and Effort of Traditional Photo Shoots (39:15) - AI Photo Shoots vs Traditional Photo Shoots (41:36) - The Demand for AI in Business (42:54) - Challenges and Opportunities with AI (47:33) - The Importance of Adapting to AI (51:53) - Leveraging AI for Business Success (54:13) - The Future of AI in Various Industries (01:10:30) - Final Thoughts and Resources ----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

Hourly billing is the default pricing model for many writers. But it's also a hidden trap that can sabotage your growth, undervalue your expertise, and limit your income. If you've ever felt frustrated by the ceiling on your earnings or struggled to position yourself as a trusted partner rather than a hired hand, this episode will change the way you view pricing forever. In today's episode, I break down 15 compelling reasons why hourly billing is actively working against you — and what you can do instead to unlock your earning potential and build trust-based, outcome-focused client relationships. What You'll Learn Why hourly billing punishes efficiency and caps your income potential. How it undermines your positioning as an expert and devalues your unique expertise. The hidden costs of hourly billing: admin burden, client micromanagement, and trust erosion. The psychological traps that make it hard to raise your rates under hourly models. Why shifting to value-based pricing or project fees can transform your business. Steps to reframe client conversations around value and outcomes, not hours. Key Insights and Takeaways Hourly billing creates a perverse incentive against efficiency. The faster you work, the less you earn, which is the opposite of how a healthy freelance business should function. It permanently caps your income potential. There are only so many hours you can sell, and raising your hourly rate eventually hits a ceiling. It erodes trust and positions you as a commodity. Clients start focusing on hours rather than outcomes, leading to micromanagement and suspicion. It fails to capture your true value. Your best insights often come from years of accumulated expertise, not the hours it takes to execute a task. Fixed project fees and value-based pricing aligns your interests with your clients. When you price based on the outcomes and value you deliver, you can grow your income while building stronger client relationships. Memorable Soundbites ·       “Hourly billing rewards incompetence and punishes mastery.” ·       “You're not selling time, you're selling outcomes.” ·       “Hourly billing turns your business into a job you can't quit.” Action Steps

Author, speaker, and human-first AI strategist, Alastair McDermott, joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about his new book and how experts can use AI to enhance productivity, decision-making, and learning. (00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:46) - Alistair's Background and Journey (03:02) - The New Book: Use AI, Stay Human (04:15) - AI as a Tool for Experts (06:55) - Practical Applications of AI (10:00) - Technical Deep Dive: AI in Writing (16:58) - Organizing and Managing AI Outputs (23:40) - Ideal Reader and Learning AI (24:51) - Choosing Your AI Setup: DIY vs. Subscription (25:20) - The Importance of AI Expertise (27:16) - AI's Role in Business and Personal Productivity (28:25) - Challenges and Limitations of AI (30:59) - Effective Prompting Techniques (32:20) - Using AI for Coaching and Workshops (35:35) - Advanced AI Usage Tips (40:46) - Practical AI Tools and Resources (45:28) - Final Thoughts and Resources AI SummaryIn this episode of Ditching Hourly, Jonathan Stark interviews Alastair McDermott about his new book, 'Use AI Stay Human: A Survival Guide for Experts in the Age of AI.' They discuss Alastair's transition from a techie background to running his consulting business, Recognized Authority, and eventually rebranding to Human Spark.AI. The conversation dives into how AI can be used to enhance productivity, decision-making, and learning for subject matter experts. Alastair shares practical tips on setting up effective AI workflows, structuring prompts, and the importance of human judgment in leveraging AI for business purposes.Alastair's LinksBook: https://www.amazon.com/Use-I-Stay-Human-Indispensable-ebook/dp/B0FDQSKZRFWebsite: https://humanspark.ai/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alastairmcdermott/ ----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

Author of Leaving The Casino, Jessica Lackey, joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss the importance of understanding different business models, pricing strategies, and the concept of the 'zone of enoughness' in building a sustainable business.(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:09) - Jessica Lackey's Background and Career Journey (01:05) - Introduction to Jessica's Book (03:13) - The Casino Metaphor in Business (04:28) - Frameworks and Types of Expertise-Based Businesses (08:55) - Pricing Models and Strategies (19:22) - The Zone of Enoughness (30:46) - Transitioning Business Models (31:21) - Financial Planning and Expectations (32:30) - Balancing Flexibility and Income (34:28) - Optimizing Delivery for Efficiency (40:41) - Marketing Strategies for Delivery Businesses (42:48) - The Importance of Direct Outreach (51:03) - Building Authority Through Writing (54:29) - Conclusion and Final Thoughts Jessica's BioJessica Lackey is the founder of Deeper Foundations, a consulting and training firm that helps expertise-based business owners grow and scale sustainable companies rooted in stronger business foundations. She brings a unique blend of corporate expertise and soulful business building, drawing on an MBA from Harvard Business School, a coaching certification from iPEC, and experience at McKinsey & Company and Nike, Inc. Jessica has supported over 200 entrepreneurs through her programs, blending systems thinking, operational rigor, and deep values alignment. She lives in Charlotte, North Carolina, with her husband.Jessica's Links:Website: https://www.deeperfoundations.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-lackey/Book: https://www.deeperfoundations.com/casinoPredictable Revenue Roadmap: https://predictablerevenueroadmap.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jessicalackey_consulting/ ----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

Author Robin Bonn joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss the importance of differentiation as described in his book Market of One. About RobinRobin Bonn is the CEO of Co:definery, one of the world's leading consultancies specialising in agency positioning. From renowned global networks to the world's top independents, he's repositioned close to 150 agencies and coached dozens of senior leaders. He's the author of Market of One, the host of The Immortal Life of Agencies podcast, and a columnist for Marketing Week. ----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

Business law is critical for any entrepreneur who wants to grow, protect, or exit their company with confidence. In this episode, Brandon Woodward — managing partner of Woodward, Kelly, Fulton & Kaplan — breaks down how smart legal strategy helps entrepreneurs avoid common mistakes and make sound decisions.If you've ever wondered whether your contracts are solid, how to prepare to sell your business, or how mergers and acquisitions really work behind the scenes, this is the podcast episode for you.Brandon shares insights from years of helping Florida and national business owners navigate the legal complexities of operating and scaling a business. Whether you're launching a startup, scaling up, or exiting your company, Brandon's wisdom bridges the gap between what business owners know and what they should know.We also dive into how AI is transforming legal practice, and why many Florida lawyers and legal professionals are still behind in adopting this game-changing technology. Brandon gives practical, real-world examples of how AI saves time, improves contract drafting, and supports smarter client service — without replacing the value of expert legal judgment.If you're searching for expert answers on how to protect your business, ensure your deals are airtight, and make smarter legal decisions, this episode delivers. Brandon gives direct, actionable guidance tailored to your needs — not legal jargon, just real talk that helps you avoid pitfalls and plan for growth.00:00 - Introduction to Brandon Woodward01:12 - What is Business Law and Why It Matters03:20 - Common Contract Mistakes Entrepreneurs Make05:45 - Why Mergers and Acquisitions Need a Legal Guide07:30 - Flat Fees vs. Hourly Billing in Legal Practice09:15 - Real Examples of Legal Pitfalls in Business11:00 - How AI is Changing the Legal Landscape13:05 - Balancing Business and Family as a Lawyer14:50 - When to Prepare Your Business for Sale16:30 - Brandon's Advice to Entrepreneurs and Professionals17:45 - Where to Connect with Brandon OnlineTo check out the YouTube (video podcast), visit: https://www.youtube.com/@drchrisloomdphdDisclaimer: Not advice. Educational purposes only. Not an endorsement for or against. Results not vetted. Views of the guests do not represent those of the host or show. Click here to join PodMatch (the "AirBNB" of Podcasting): https://www.joinpodmatch.com/drchrisloomdphdWe couldn't do it without the support of our listeners. To help support the show:CashApp- https://cash.app/$drchrisloomdphdVenmo- https://account.venmo.com/u/Chris-Loo-4Spotify- https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/christopher-loo/supportBuy Me a Coffee- https://www.buymeacoffee.com/chrisJxClick here to schedule a 1-on-1 private coaching call: https://www.drchrisloomdphd.com/book-onlineClick here to check out our bookstore, e-courses, and workshops: https://www.drchrisloomdphd.com/shopClick here to purchase my books on Amazon: https://amzn.to/2PaQn4pFor audiobooks, visit: https://www.audible.com/author/Christopher-H-Loo-MD-PhD/B07WFKBG1FFollow our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/chL1357Follow us on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/drchrisloomdphdFollow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thereal_drchrislooFollow our Blog: https://www.drchrisloomdphd.com/blogFollow the podcast on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3NkM6US7cjsiAYTBjWGdx6?si=1da9d0a17be14d18Subscribe to our Substack newsletter: https://substack.com/@drchrisloomdphd1Subscribe to our Medium newsletter: https://medium.com/@drchrisloomdphdSubscribe to our LinkedIn newsletter: https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=6992935013231071233Subscribe to our email list: https://financial-freedom-podcast-with-dr-loo.kit.com/Thank you to all of our sponsors and advertisers that help support the show!Financial Freedom for Physicians, Copyright 2025