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Carlyle co-founder David Rubenstein, and the firm's CEO, Harvey Schwartz, spoke with Barron's editor-at-large Andy Serwer. This interview was recorded on Jan. 22, 2025, at the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland.

On episode 171 of The Compound and Friends, Michael Batnick and Downtown Josh Brown are joined by Harvey Schwartz, CEO of Carlyle and former president of Goldman Sachs to discuss Harvey's remarkable journey through the financial industry. In this episode, Harvey tells us about his early career as a fitness instructor and cold-caller, lessons learned during the 2008 financial crisis, saving Goldman during the financial crisis, Carlyles current momentum, and the rise of private equity and private credit. This episode is sponsored by Van Eck and Public. To learn more about Van Eck's Uranium and Nuclear ETF, visit: http://vaneck.com/NLR Lock in a 6% or higher yield with a Public Bond Account. Learn more at: https://public.com/compound Sign up for The Compound Newsletter and never miss out! Instagram: https://instagram.com/thecompoundnews Twitter: https://twitter.com/thecompoundnews LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-compound-media/ A Bond Account is a self-directed brokerage account with Public Investing, member FINRA/SIPC. Deposits into this account are used to purchase 10 investment-grade and high-yield bonds. As of 9/26/24, the average, annualized yield to worst (YTW) across the Bond Account is greater than 6%. A bond's yield is a function of its market price, which can fluctuate; therefore, a bond's YTW is not “locked in” until the bond is purchased, and your yield at time of purchase may be different from the yield shown here. The “locked in” YTW is not guaranteed; you may receive less than the YTW of the bonds in the Bond Account if you sell any of the bonds before maturity or if the issuer defaults on the bond. Public Investing charges a markup on each bond trade. See our Fee Schedule. Bond Accounts are not recommendations of individual bonds or default allocations. The bonds in the Bond Account have not been selected based on your needs or risk profile. See https://public.com/disclosures/bond-account to learn more. Investing involves the risk of loss. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be or regarded as personalized investment advice or relied upon for investment decisions. Michael Batnick and Josh Brown are employees of Ritholtz Wealth Management and may maintain positions in the securities discussed in this video. All opinions expressed by them are solely their own opinion and do not reflect the opinion of Ritholtz Wealth Management. The Compound Media, Incorporated, an affiliate of Ritholtz Wealth Management, receives payment from various entities for advertisements in affiliated podcasts, blogs and emails. Inclusion of such advertisements does not constitute or imply endorsement, sponsorship or recommendation thereof, or any affiliation therewith, by the Content Creator or by Ritholtz Wealth Management or any of its employees. For additional advertisement disclaimers see here https://ritholtzwealth.com/advertising-disclaimers. Investments in securities involve the risk of loss. Any mention of a particular security and related performance data is not a recommendation to buy or sell that security. The information provided on this website (including any information that may be accessed through this website) is not directed at any investor or category of investors and is provided solely as general information. Obviously nothing on this channel should be considered as personalized financial advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities. See our disclosures here: https://ritholtzwealth.com/podcast-youtube-disclosures/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this insightful episode of the Rainmaker Podcast, host Dan DiDomenico sits down with Shane Clifford, the Managing Director and Head of Global Wealth at Carlyle, to explore the intricacies of leading a global wealth business in the evolving financial landscape. The episode begins with an introduction to the podcast's mission—providing listeners with invaluable sales strategies from top industry executives—and a brief introduction to Dakota Marketplace, a comprehensive institutional and intermediary database designed for fundraisers.Shane Clifford, who brings over two decades of experience in the industry, shares his journey from his beginnings in Limerick, Ireland, to his current role at Carlyle. He details his career path, which includes significant stints at Merrill Lynch, BlackRock, Legg Mason, and Franklin Templeton, highlighting how each experience shaped his approach to business development and strategy, particularly in the alternative assets and financial services sectors.The conversation delves into Carlyle's current strategic focus under CEO Harvey Schwartz, emphasizing three primary areas: insurance, credit, and wealth. Clifford elaborates on Carlyle's transition from episodic fundraising to a more perpetual, evergreen vehicle approach, discussing the complexities and opportunities this shift presents. He also reflects on his leadership style, emphasizing the importance of personal connections and in-person interactions in building a cohesive and motivated team.Clifford provides practical advice on managing a global team, noting the challenges of differing market structures and the necessity of a robust CRM system. He stresses the importance of understanding team members' personal and professional motivations to foster a supportive and effective work environment. His leadership philosophy centers on empowering his team and ensuring authenticity in all interactions, particularly with clients.The episode also addresses the broader industry challenges, such as the low allocation to alternative investments in the U.S. compared to international markets, and the need for continuous education and adaptation in an ever-changing financial landscape. Clifford advocates for a hands-on approach, spending significant time on the road to connect with team members and clients, and highlights the value of hard work and dedication in distinguishing oneself in the industry.For aspiring professionals, Clifford advises focusing on work ethic and being present in the office to build relationships and gain mentorship. He underscores the importance of activity and engagement in sales roles, encouraging listeners to go the extra mile in their efforts.The episode concludes with Clifford's reflections on the future of Carlyle and the importance of surrounding oneself with a knowledgeable and diverse team. He shares his enthusiasm for his role and the firm, emphasizing the alignment between personal passion and professional success.

In this episode Jim speaks with labor historian Harvey Schwartz, author of Labor under Siege: Big Bob McEllrath and the ILWU's Fight for Organized Labor in an Anti-Union Era. Labor Under Siege is is an oral history prepared with Ronald Magden that chronicles how a mature American workers' organization, the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU), survived serious challenges in recent decades from employers, government agencies, and even other unions. It won an Independent Publisher Book Awards (aka IPPY) gold medal, a Nautilus Book Awards silver prize, a National Indie Excellence Awards winner designation, and was an Independent Publishers of New England Book Awards finalist. A prior volume, Building the Golden Gate Bridge: A Workers' Oral History (University of Washington Press), was a Nautilus Book Awards silver winner in 2016. It recounts how ironworkers and other construction craftspeople overcame dangerous job conditions and the hardships of the Great Depression to build one of America's most iconic bridges. In this interview Jim and Harvey discuss the post-Harry Bridges era of the ILWU, their victories in the anti-union neoliberal era and what lessons the new wave of labor organizers can learn from the historically radical union.

On this week's episode of Organize the Unorganized, we cover some of the key CIO unions not yet discussed in great detail, including the UE, ILWU, TWOC and PWOC. There were many other unions that formed the CIO - unions in oil, printing, transport, retail - but the four that we're covering on this episode were four of the biggest and most influential that we haven't yet gotten into. Guests in order of appearance: James Young, Professor Emeritus of History at Edinboro University; Robert Cherny, Professor Emeritus of History at San Francisco State University; Peter Cole, Professor of History at Western Illinois University; Erik Loomis, Professor of History at the University of Rhode Island; Steve Fraser, Labor Historian; Rick Halpern, Professor of American Studies at the University of Toronto; David Brody, Professor Emeritus of History at UC-Davis Clips in order of appearance: “A View of the Future: James Matles UE Retirement Speech (Fitzie Introduction),” UE History, https://soundcloud.com/user-141302221/a-view-of-the-future-james-matles-ue-retirement-speech (0:00); Roll the Union On Intro, “Tom Glazer Sings Favorite American Union Songs circa 1948,” United Packinghouse, Food, and Allied Workers Records, 1937-1968, Wisconsin Historical Society (Audio 375A/78), https://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?c=wiarchives;id=navbarbrowselink;cginame=findaid-idx;cc=wiarchives;view=reslist;subview=standard;didno=uw-whs-mss00118;focusrgn=C02;byte=412854728 (6:47); “The 1934 West Coast waterfront strike | Oregon Experience | OPB,” Oregon Public Broadcasting, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbiI8age-y4 (12:53); “A Conversation with Harry Bridges,” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EFZOj7_1qI (18:12, 27:50); Cleophas Williams, “Oral History interview with Harvey Schwartz in 1998,” ILWU Library (22:07); “WDVA, Boyd Patton on the history of the Textile Workers Union of America, 29 June 1952 (Audio 1524A/56),” Wisconsin Historical Society, https://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?c=wiarchives;cc=wiarchives;type=simple;rgn=Entire%20Finding%20Aid;q1=mine%20workers;view=reslist;sort=freq;didno=uw-whs-us00129a;idno=uw-whs-us00129a;focusrgn=C01;byte=761311434;start=1;size=25;subview=standard (32:34) Quotes in order of appearance: Robert Zieger, The CIO: 1935-1955, p. 74 (28:24) Songs in order of appearance: Pete Seeger, “Roll the Union On,” The Original Talking Union and Other Unions Songs with the Almanac Singers with Pete Seeger and Chorus, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1JWheVR028 (7:04); Arlo Guthrie, “The Ballad of Harry Bridges,” Step by Step: Music from the film, From Wharf Rats to Lords of the Docks, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJDIywPDlPs (17:20); Floyd Jones, “Stockyard Blues,” Chicago Blues, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBdm1vKmyac (37:50) Theme music by Drake Tyler. Quote music is Martin Tallstrom's cover of “Freight Train,” used here with permission: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9LEUMgBkX8.

Entering his second year as head of the firm, Carlyle CEO Harvey Schwartz discusses business strategy and the economic environment, giving his expectations for Fed rate cuts and weighing in on recession fears. He speaks exclusively with Bloomberg's Sonali Basak.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Known as the last great rattan dealer, Harvey Schwartz is getting ready to relaunch his infamous rattan company, Tropical Sun. So why is Harvey the last great rattan dealer? Well, at 80 years old he's still running the show and grabbing up all the great rattan known, even if it means going to a swap meet at 5am. To say he loves this stuff is an understatement. His collection spans over 2500pcs, and the best part? It's all for sale. Harvey actually started as an aerospace engineer which has surprisingly helped him in his rattan business more than you would think. He's not only dealing in vintage, but he's bringing the old stuff back and bending the rattan himself. Be sure to check out his store in Los Angeles next time you're around, or his website. But for now, please enjoy, Harvey Schwartz, for Collectors Gene Radio.Tropical Sun Rattan - https://tropicalsunrattan.com/Rattan Furniture Book - https://www.amazon.com/Rattan-Furniture-Schiffer-Military-History/dp/0764307703

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"We are all dependent and potentially addicted as well. We regularly use addictive objects whenever we are confronted with a circumstance that brings a lot of pain, emotional pain, more pain than we can bare."     Episode Description: We begin by reviewing how remarkably pervasive pornography is on the internet. Claudia discusses the impact that viewing arousing scenes on a screen can have on one's psychosexual development. She describes its effects on our neurochemistry as well as on one's capacity to develop creative sublimations. The fundamental issue as seen by both guests involves detours from intimacy which Jose describes as involving dehumanization. This intolerance for what he calls “mature dependency” is seen as underlying the turn to "impoverished, desolate and concrete internal scenarios." We close with a conversation on the challenges of treating patients who experience themselves as dehumanized and unknowingly treat their analysts similarly. Despite these difficulties, the analyst's acceptance of such moments contains the seeds for hope and renewal.    Our Guests: Claudia Spadazzi, MD, Full Member Italian Psychoanalytic Society (SPI) and International Psychoanalytical Association (IPA). Clinical psychologist, gynecologist, sexual therapist. Visiting Professor in Psychosomatic Gynecology at Università Politecnica delle Marche. She has been part of the IPA Committees: IPA/IPSO, COWAP, Public Information, CAPSA, and currently is a member of IPA Health Committee. Co-founder of Italian Psychoanalytic Dialogues. Founder of the Freud's bar, an outreach initiative. Founder of the Section of Cinema and Psychoanalysis, Festival of the Two Worlds, Spoleto.    Jose Zusman, MD President and Training Analyst at Rio de Janeiro's Psychoanalytic Society, Post Doc at The Institute of Psychiatry of the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro/ Harvard under the mentorship of Edward Khantzian, Member of IPA Health Committee and Chair of IPA Subcommittee on Addiction    Linked Interviews:  The Mind, Body and Soul Podcast: Ep.9: A Gynecologist/ Psychoanalyst Treats Amenorrhea with Claudia Spadazzi, MD   https://harveyschwartzmd.com/2021/06/04/ep-9-a-gynecologist-psychoanalyst-treats-amenorrhea/  Psychoanalysis On and Off the Couch Podcast: Ep.8 A Psychoanalyst Encounters Patients with Addictions  http://ipaoffthecouch.org/2019/06/29/episode-8-a-psychoanalyst-encounters-patients-with-addictions/    Recommended Readings:  Applying Psychoanalysis in Medical Care, edited by Harvey Schwartz    Neuroscience of Internet Pornography Addiction: A Review and Update. Behav Sci 5(3): 388–433.    Kahn, M. .M. .R. (1979). Alienation in Perversion, London: Karnac    Doidge N. (2008).The Brain that Changes Itself: Stories of Personal Triumph from the Frontiers of Brain Science, London: Penguin    Solms M., Zellner M., Watts D., Panksepp J. (2011) Affective Neuroscientific and Neuropsychoanalytic Approaches to Two Intractable Psychiatric Problems: Why Depression Feels so Bad and What Addicts Really Want Neuroscience and Biobehavioral Reviews 2011    Balint, M. (1968/1979). The Basic Fault: Therapeutic Aspects of Regression. Tavistock Publication. London.    Dodes, L (2003). The Heart of Addiction: A New Approach to Understanding and Managing Alcoholism and Other Addictive Behaviors, HarperCollins Publishers. New York.    Fairbairn, W: Then and Now (2014). Routledge Publishers. New York.    Khantzian, E.J. -Treating Addiction as a Human Process (1997). Jason Aronson.  New York    McDougall, J (1995). The Many Faces of Eros. W.W. Norton Company, Inc., New York. 

Harvey has been shooting clay targets for 15 years.  He has been the President for the Georgia Sporting Clays Association for 9 years and continues to help grow the sport across the state.  I thought it would be a great idea to get Harvey's perspective from the political standpoint within the GSCA, talk about how he sees the sport growing in the future and his thoughts on tournaments, shooting and any other topics we cross.

In this episode, Kyle interviews psychologist and licensed marriage and family therapist, Veronika Gold, and author and clinical psychologist, Harvey Schwartz. They are co-founders (and Gold is the CEO) of Polaris Insight Center in San Francisco, which offers ketamine-assisted psychotherapy. Together, they work as co-therapists, as trainers on ketamine-assisted psychotherapy through Polaris Insight Center, and as investigators in MAPS' Phase 3 MDMA-assisted psychotherapy clinical trial for the treatment of PTSD.  They talk about their training model, the benefits of co-therapy and how a leader/apprentice co-therapy model is likely the future of therapy training, the importance of doing your own work as a therapist, the arguments for therapists not taking drugs, the subtle hierarchal and approval-seeking games uncovered in training, how working with ketamine today is like raising a teenager, the "mystery and mastery" in therapy, medicine, and psychedelics, and the casualties of the mental health care system and the importance of de-programming patients from the effects of its abuses. Notable Quotes “We almost need to create a culture. That’s what we’re trying to do in our training- to create a culture of courage and [fearlessness], honesty about ourselves and about the work, and humility and vulnerability, and to have as much of an egalitarian approach to our patients and clients as possible- for many reasons, but one of the main ones is to, in a way, undo the damage that many of them have had by being in the mental health system for as long as they’ve been in the mental health system, because so much gets laid down in terms of programming about worthlessness or failure or ‘it’s their fault.’ So, I feel like a big part of this model is not just giving the medicine and doing the protocol, but kind of imbuing the person with a whole new worldview about what their struggle means and what their struggle is about. ...It’s almost like de-programming them from the mental health systems’ long-term effect on their sense of self and their identity.” -Harvey Schwartz “Mastery and mystery both have risks, both have shadows. And I think teaching that is really important so that everybody learns about humility by walking down the center path between these possible errors that we could all make- being too rigid, or being too loosey-goosey.” -Harvey Schwartz “The clients do report different experiences, even with the same doses of the medicine. And is it just the set and setting, or is it just the music, or is it really the space that we hold that allows the patient’s psyche to go deeper, to go to the inner-healing intelligence, to access things that will be safely held in that space? That maybe this inner-healing intelligence knows that if that something was not welcome or supported, it’s not going to bring it out because it would be re-traumatizing for them?” -Veronika Gold“Psilocybin’s been on the planet for thousands of years. Iboga, thousands of years. Ayahuasca. These medicines, I feel like, have thousands of interdimensional spiritual support systems between ancestors, and it’s been going on for a long time. Ketamine is like a teenager in the spirit world, I feel like. And so, in a sense, we are really having a chance to impact the morphogenetic field in a greater level than these other things which have been around so long. So all the things we do, every session we have, I think of this. And all of our trainings, we’re kind of adding into this, helping this teenage form of therapy grow up and steward it in the way that we think it should be stewarded from the point of view of serving in the best possible ways, the safest possible ways, and the most expansive possible ways. So it’s kind of existing to be raising a teenager.” -Harvey Schwartz Links Polarisinsight.com About VeronikaGold, LMFT Veronika Gold, a psychologist from the Czech Republic and a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California, has expertise in the treatment of anxiety, depression, and PTSD. She is a co-founder and CEO of Polaris Insight Center in San Francisco, clinic providing Ketamine Assisted Psychotherapy treatment for depression, anxiety, PTSD, and other mental health issues. She is also a lead trainer in the Ketamine Assisted Psychotherapy Training offered by Polaris Insight Center. She is a sub-investigator and a co-therapist at San Francisco Insight and Integration Center, site participating in Phase 3 MDMA-Assisted Psychotherapy clinical trial for the treatment of PTSD sponsored by MAPS, and she is an associate supervisor for Phase 2 trial in Europe. Veronika Gold is as well EMDR therapist, consultant, and volunteer facilitator for the EMDR Humanitarian Assistance Program. She is a certified Somatic Experiencing Practitioner and a Realization Process Teacher. Veronika provides Psychedelic Integration Therapy and serves as an article writer, consultant, trainer, and presenter on Psychedelic Assisted Therapies.Dr. Harvey Schwartz About Dr. Harvey Schwartz Harvey Schwartz has worked as a licensed Clinical Psychologist in private practice in San Francisco since 1985, and is Co-founder of Polaris Insight Center. He received his Ph.D. in clinical psychology from Emory University, Atlanta, GA. in 1982. He has specialized in treating complex PTSD, severe dissociative disorders, survivors of organized abuse experiences, and individuals working on psycho-spiritual development. Harvey has undergone training in psychedelic psychotherapy with the Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) and the Ketamine Training Center (KTC), and served as a trainer in two KTC trainings, and currently served as a Sub-Investigator and co-therapist on the MAPS MDMA-Assisted Psychotherapy Phase 2/3 Clinical Trials for treatment-resistant PTSD. Harvey is an associate supervisor for the MAPS sponsored clinical trials in Europe. Support the show Patreon Leave us a review on Facebook or iTunes Share us with your friends Join our Facebook group - Psychedelics Today group – Find the others and create community. Navigating Psychedelics

“Every individual reaction was specific and idiosyncratic – it was absolutely related to the previous experience. Even the symptoms that were formed could be understood as the reaction to adult trauma but shaped according to a childhood experience.”   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Vladimir Jovic to today’s episode. Dr. Jovic is a psychiatrist and psychoanalyst in private practice in Belgrade, Serbia, and since the early 90’s he has been working with refugees, war veterans, and victims of torture in former Yugoslavia. In 1997, together with other colleagues, he established the Center for Rehabilitation of Torture Victims (CRTV) in Belgrade, where they employed a variety of psychosocial programs that were developed in a framework of rehabilitation of torture victims. Dr. Jovic was active in the development of independent mechanisms for the prevention of torture in places of detention such as prisons and psychiatric hospitals for the National Preventive Mechanism. Today he works as a consultant for the CRTV and has been newly appointed member of the board of trustees of the United Nations Voluntary Fund for Victims of Torture.   In today’s conversation, Drs. Schwartz and Jovic discuss how an analyst can engage with those who have been involved in torture, the importance of psychosocial outreach and the importance of making sure the basic needs of these individuals are met. Dr. Jovic describes visiting the countryside, making contact with people who have been traumatized all of which embodies the work of psychoanalysts off the couch.   Today you will also hear about the role of political cultures facilitating the acting out of individual aggression, the usefulness and limitations of the label of PTSD, and the subject of current trauma and how it relates to childhood vulnerabilities.   Key takeaways: [7:12] What it takes for someone to make it to a psychoanalyst’s office? [8:27] How did Dr. Jovic learn to work with those involved in torture? [12:10] Dr. Jovic shares the interventions he uses to engage with these traumatized patients. [15:04] Dr. Jovic affirms that the reaction to war trauma is directly shaped by childhood experiences. [17:30] Dr. Jovic shares an example to describe the importance of paying attention to the current trauma. [18:55] The clinical value of PTSD. [21:49] The event has to become traumatic in our psyche in order to notice PTSD symptoms. [23:05] Dr. Jovic talks about how certain political cultures allow for the acting out of impulses. [28:45] Dr. Jovic talks about the consequences of torture. [33:45] Dr. Jovics dives deep into the need to rehumanize the lives of the victims of torture and war survivors. [35:27] What the narratives of the victims unveil. [37:05] The question that can help an analyst engage with veterans: “What did you do in war that you wished you hadn’t?” [39:59] Dr. Jovic talks about the thin line between victims and perpetrators. [40:35] Dr. Jovic shares how at the beginning veterans use to resist treatment since the analyst was not in war and did not have what takes to understand. [41:35] Dr. Jovic talks about the circumstances that led him to his field of expertise.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org   Recommended Readings: Špirić, Ž., Knežević, G., Jović, V., & Opačić, G. (2004). Torture in War, Consequences and Rehabilitation of Victims: Yugoslav experience. Belgrade: IAN-International Aid Network.   Opačić, G., Jović, V., Radović, B., & Knežević, G. (2006). Redress in action: Consequences of forcible mobilization of refugees in 1995. Belgrade: International Aid Network.   Jović, V. (2017). Kriegstrauma, Migration und ihre Konsequenzen. In M. Leuzinger-Bohleber, U. Bahrke, S. Hau, T. Fischmann, & S. Arnold (Eds.), Flucht, Migration und Trauma: Die Folgen für die nächste Generation (pp. 175–198). Göttingen: Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht GmbH & Co.   Jovic, V., Varvin, S., Rosenbaum, B., Fischmann, T., Leuzinger-Bohleber, M., & Hau, S. (2018). Sleep Studies in Serbian Victims of Torture: analysis of traumatic dreams. In E. Vermetten, T. C. Neylan, M. Kramer, & S. R. Pandi-Perumal (Eds.), Sleep and Combat-related Post-Traumatic Stress Disorders. Springer Science.   Jović, V. (2018). Working with Traumatized Refugees on the Balkan Route. Int J Appl Psychoanal Studies, 187 – 201.   Varvin, S., Fischmann, T., Jovic, V., Rosenbaum, B., & Hau, S. (2012). Traumatic dreams: symbolization gone astray. In P. Fonagy, H. Kächele, M. Leuzinger-Bohleber, & D. Taylor (Eds.), The significance of dreams. Bridging Clinical and Extraclinical Research in Psychoanalysis (pp. 182–211). London: Karnac Books.   Jović, V. (in press). Refugees, Torture, and Dehumanization. In D. Bughra (Ed.), Oxford Textbook of Migrant Psychiatry. Oxford: Oxford University Press.

"When you think about the analyst's reverie - we are in a session and something is happening, the patient is telling you something and your mind starts to drift - an image comes to your mind that just sticks and it won't let go. It may well be that something is happening to the patient that they cannot tell you because they don’t know. But it is stirring up something in you that is resonating and an image will come out of that - something that allows us to find a register, a meaningful register, in which to speak to the patient,"   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Prof. Marsha Hewitt to today’s episode. Professor Hewitt is a psychoanalyst with a private practice in Toronto, Canada. She is also a Professor of Religion in the Department of the Study of Religion at the University of Toronto, Trinity College.   Prof. Hewitt’s books include From Theology to Social Theory: Juan Luis Segundo and the Theology of Liberation, Critical Theory of Religion: A Feminist Analysis. and Freud on Religion (Key Thinkers in the Study of Religion). Her most recent book is called Legacies of the Occult: Psychoanalysis, Religion and Unconscious Communication. Unconscious communication is precisely the subject that is addressed in today’s episode through a discussion about the early history of psychoanalysis and Freud’s relationship to unconscious communication - what he called ‘thought transference’   Prof. Hewitt dives deep into the meaning of being in relation to an analysand, talking about the moments in which an analyst has the experience of daydreaming about something, experiencing a reverie, and moments later, hearing the same thoughts and images from the patient. Dr. Hewitt also emphasizes the importance for analysts to always maintain an open-minded psychoanalytic curiosity about what the meaning of the phenomena happening in the dyad.   Key takeaways: [10:33] Dr. Hewitt talks about unconscious communication. [15:56] What is the meaning of a cult? [18:38] Telepathy means feeling in the distance. [20:26] Prof. Hewitt talks about the term bracketing. [22:04] Prof. Hewitt relates the drift of the unconscious and the job of the analyst. [24:06] There is an aspect of the transference that cannot be understood. [27:20] Dr. Schwartz shares a case to exemplify how he experienced reverie with a patient. [29:30] Prof. Hewitt encourages analysts to keep thinking about what is not understood by sharing a case example. [32:50] Prof. Hewitt dives deep into the concept of intersubjectivity. [38:10] Prof. Hewitt continues sharing her efforts in understanding what was not evident. [39:50] The experience of working with people that have been traumatized. [43:55] Even in the most flagrant psychosis there is truth. [45:42] Prof. Hewitt explains where her passion for the unseen and the different forms of subjectivity comes from.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org   Recommended Readings: From Theology to Social Theory: Juan Luis Segundo and the Theology of Liberation, Critical Theory of Religion: A Feminist Analysis, Marsha Hewitt   Freud on Religion (Key Thinkers in the Study of Religion), Marsha Hewitt   Legacies of the Occult: Psychoanalysis, Religion and Unconscious Communication, Marsha Hewitt

"My dad also revealed a lot of himself in his writing which made it difficult for me, because I also had the sense that I was looking into a private space that was his own. I wasn´t sure I really wanted to see it because it wasn´t always very nice and it wasn´t always very wholesome - most of the time it was very complicated.” (SM)   “I grew up with a very keen interest in my father as a result of the position he held as a writer and as a psychoanalyst, while my mother also was a psychoanalyst. It made me very attentive to learning as much as I could about this very powerful man who had tremendous amounts of influence often without saying anything." (JW)   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Susan Mailer and Dr. Joan Wheelis to today’s episode. They are both psychoanalysts who wrote memoirs which are organized around their relationships with their famous fathers, Susan being the daughter of Norman Mailer and Joan’s father being Allan Wheelis, a well known psychoanalyst and writer.   Susan and Joan speak about the meaning of memory, as they acknowledge that what they have written is a construction of their lives. Both recognize that writing helped as a piece of their self-analysis, to evolve their personal narrative and their internal relationships with their family members.   Susan Mailer was born in 1949 and is Norman Mailer’s firstborn. She grew up between Mexico City and New York, between her mother and her father. She graduated from Barnard College in 1971 and then moved to Santiago with her Chilean husband, where she became a psychoanalyst in the early ’90s. Since then she has been very active in the Chilean Psychoanalytic Organization. She has written on a variety of topics published in Latin American psychoanalytic journals where she teaches, supervises, and has a private practice in Santiago. Her book was published in 2019 and is called In Another Place: With and Without My Father Norman Mailer.   Dr. Joan Wheelis is a psychiatrist and a Training and Supervising psychoanalysts at the Boston Psychoanalytic Society & Institute. She is an Assistant Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and is on the clinical faculty of the combined MGH/McLean Adult Psychiatry Residency Training Program. Joan is the founder and the director of an outpatient treatment facility called Two Brattle Center and has a private practice in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Her memoir, published in 2019, is called The Known, The Secret, The Forgotten: A Memoir.   Key takeaways: [8:22] The similarities in Joan’s and Susan’s childhoods. [9:01] Joan talks about her early years growing with both of her parents being psychoanalysts. [10:58] Joan confesses not having a keen interest in what her father did while she was young but rather felt resentment. [13:21] Joan shares how she received a sort of “oppressive” attention from her parents which resulted in her feeling watched all the time. [14:23] Joan and Susan talk about their fathers’ relationships with fame and public speaking. [15:00] Susan and Joan talk about their career choice. [17:09] Joan and Susan share about dealing with the doubts about opening-up while writing their memoirs. [19:33] The memoirs Joan and Susan wrote are not literally accurate since they don’t know for sure what happened while they were young. [20:45] Memory is a reconstruction of stories and images. [22:28] Joan shares her view about what the role of psychoanalysis is. [23:07] Susan talks about how she struggled writing the memoir since she never considered herself a writer. [24:23] Susan shares her experience of growing up around writers and artists. [27:00] Susan discloses the catalyst for her to start writing. [28:55] Joan talks about the piece she wrote for her father’s memorial. [30:58] Joan and Susan talk about the reactions of their colleagues. [33:54] It is not so common for psychoanalysts to share so much about themselves. [35:02] Did writing a memoir changed their practices? [36:20] Is writing a self-analysis? [41:49] Joan talks about the relief of moving away from her parents.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org   Recommended Readings: In Another Place: With and Without My Father Norman Mailer, Susan Mailer   The Known, The Secret, The Forgotten: A Memoir. John Wheelis, MD  

“There is a history of psychoanalysis and its relationship with political thought and even political action. There is clearly quite a strong historical tradition of a sort of rebelliousness on the part of psychoanalysis or at least a challenge to social mores, which I see as beginning right from the start and certainly as early as Freud’s 1908 paper on ‘Civilized’ Sexual Morality. He has the words ‘civilized’ in inverted commas because what he’s using psychoanalysis for there is to say something deeply hypocritical about the sexual mores of his day and that this is causing trouble.”   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Professor Stephen Frosh. Stephen Frosh is a Professor in the Department of Psychosocial Studies (which he founded) at Birkbeck, University of London. He was Pro-Vice-Master of Birkbeck from 2003 to 2017, a senior management position in which he was responsible at various times for teaching and learning, research and internationalisation in the university. Stephen’s background is in academic and clinical psychology, and he was a consultant clinical psychologist at the Tavistock Clinic. He is a Fellow of the Academy of Social Sciences, Academic Associate at the British Psychoanalytical Society, a founding member of the Association of Psycho-social studies, and an Honorary Member of the Institute of Group Analysis.   As you will hear in today’s conversation Stephen is remarkably well versed in the psychoanalytic literature. We discuss Stephen´s contention that the “unconscious is barbaric,” that Freud’s famous fort-da observation may be meaningfully applied to the place of psychoanalysis in our culture and that Steven Reich’s musical piece “Different Trains” serves as a profound commentary on the witnessing of trauma.   Key takeaways: [9:15] Stephen explains the meaning of his quote “The unconscious of psychoanalysis is barbaric.” [12:30] Stephen shares his view on Freud as a democrat. [15:34] Stephen talks about the political tension that psychoanalysts went through in South America. [16:45] Stephen comments on the alliance between Blacks and Jews, who were both characterized by the colonials as barbaric. [19:16] The relationship between psychoanalysis and social movements. [20:05] Stephen talks about the structure of traditional Freudian psychoanalysis and how powerful it was for its time. [22:54] Freud’s aspiration was to bring into reason that which was unreasonable and could cause damage, not to destroy it but, on the contrary, to put it to good use. [24:22] Stephen talks about  fort-da as an example of how psychoanalysis works in relation to culture. [28:02] Stephen discusses how Freud talked about and experienced the human tendency of repeating disturbing and even traumatic events. [32:37] The repetition compulsion : Even when you think a piece of work is done it finds some way to come back. [34:20] Stephen talks about the question of witnessing. [36:05] The history of trauma. [38:15] Stephen shares the impact of being listened to but not heard on a victim of trauma. [42:12] Stephen shares his reflections on a particular piece of music as they relate to the meaning of witnessing and trauma that is included in his most recent book: Those who come after. [48:06] Stephen talks about himself and what brought him to the point where he is today. [53:55] Where we are today in regards to COVID according to Stephen.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org    Recommended Readings: Frosh, S. (2019) Those who come after. London: Palgrave.   Frosh, S. (2020) Psychoanalysis as Decolonial Judaism. Psychoanalysis, Culture, and Society, 25(2), 174-193.   Frosh, S. (2018) Psychoanalysis, Politics, and Society: What Remains Radical in Psychoanalysis? In R. Gipps and M. Lacewing (eds) The Oxford Handbook of Philosophy and Psychoanalysis. Oxford: Oxford University Press.   Butler, J. (2020) The Force of Nonviolence. London: Verso.   Khanna, R. (2004) Dark Continents: Psychoanalysis and Colonialism. Durham: Duke University Press.   Zaretsky, E. (2015) Political Freud. New York: Columbia University Press.

“There is a musicality at the core of our emotional or affective life. It really goes back to early mother-infant communications or innate musicality, or what’s called ‘communicative musicality’ – the to-and-fro of the dynamic between mother and baby as really the core, the scaffolding of our emotional life.”    Description: Dr.Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Roger Kennedy to today’s episode. Dr. Kennedy is a training and supervising analyst and past President of the British Psychoanalytical Society. He is also a child and adolescent psychiatrist and is now the Medical Director of the Child and Family Practice in London, which is a private multidisciplinary clinic where he and his staff work with children, families, and parents, specializing in children with complex needs.     Dr. Kennedy has written 14 books and today the focus is on his latest, which is called The Power of Music: Psychoanalytic Explorations. Dr. Kennedy’s breadth of interests is remarkable. He has written on psychoanalysis and history, on tolerating strangers in intolerant times, short stories based on his work with analysands, and he has also written on psychotherapists as expert witnesses in working with people with a history of childhood abuse.    In today’s conversation, Dr. Kennedy elaborates the similarities and differences in listening to music and listening to analytic material. He provides a clinical example where he enabled a patient to hear the way she sounded which became a vital part of her growing self-awareness and with that, she accessed the freedom to sound different and to tune in to more authentic aspects of herself.     Key takeaways:  [8:34] Dr. Kennedy explains how the musical and the psychoanalytic world inform each other.  [10:45] Is listening to music a narcissistic experience for the listener?  [12:57] Dr. Kennedy dives deep into the meaning of the listening experience.  [14:45] When you hear what the patient has to say, you can hear the rhythms, and what lays between the lines.  [16:37] Sounds bring people together.  [18:14] Dr. Kennedy shares the reason why he often closes his eyes while listening to patients.  [18:52] Dr. Kennedy’s listening style has changed over the years.  [20:01] Dr. Kennedy describes the art of improvisation.  [21:22] Dr. Kennedy shares a clinical example.  [26:09] Dr. Kennedy talks about how he developed a passion for music.  [31:36] The unique experience of treating musicians.  [33:45] The delicate balance between destructiveness and creativeness.  [34:55] Dr. Schwartz shares a paragraph from Dr. Kennedy’s writings.     Mentioned in this episode:  IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org      Recommended Readings:  Graf, M. (1947), From Beethoven to Shostakovich: The Psychology of the Composing Process New York: Greenwood, 1969.    Kennedy, R. (2014), The Psychic Home: Psychoanalysis, Consciousness and the Human Soul London and New York: Routledge.    Lombardi, R. (2008), Time, Music, and Reverie. Journal of the American Psychoanalytic Association 56:1191-1211.    Nagel, J. (2013), Melodies of the Mind: Connections Between Psychoanalysis and Music London and New York: Routledge.    Wigglesworth, M. (2018), The Silent Musician: Why Conducting Matters London: Faber and Faber. 

“We all have misattunements - but when we are present together, sometimes we can have a misattunement with our words or our tone of voice, but we may not have a misattunement of our bodies, so we’re missing that one element when we are remote.”   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Cindi Palman to the podcast. Dr. Palman completed her medical education at the University of Pennsylvania and her psychiatric residency training at Yale University. She had always maintained the dream of becoming a psychoanalyst. After her residency she moved to the west coast. There, life challenges and sudden tragedy interfered with her professional plans. It was later in life with the encouragement of a mentor that she finally pursued her goal of becoming a psychoanalyst. As we will hear in today’s conversation, her personal growth has enabled her to contribute to her professional community and to her patients.   In today’s episode Dr. Palman discusses the impact of working remotely on her psychoanalytic training and clinical work.   Key takeaways: [6:58] Dr. Palman shares her current experience as a psychoanalytic candidate. [9:02] Dr. Palman talks about what losing her office, her classmates, and the whole in-person experience has meant to her. [11:23] How can psychoanalysts create a therapeutic space without physical presence? [12:13] Dr. Palman talks about the candidate class she belongs to and how COVID has affected her as well as her classmates. [15:00] Can you have unconscious communication over the internet? [16:14] Dr. Palman discusses the pervasive experience of mourning that affects herself and her patients. [18:31] Dr. Palman shares a clinical example. [20:36] Dr. Palman shares the difference between the work with her on-going cases and a new case that started remotely during the pandemic. [24.58] The concern of the analysand about the analyst's wellbeing. [27:13] In some ways, remote work allows more denial of outside reality. [28:02] Dr. Palman talks about her professional trajectory.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

"There are things that arise in later life that have to do with the conflict of cultures that arises when you’re dealing with someone who either is an immigrant or is the child of immigrants. This is also the case with someone who comes from a family in the U.S. which is deeply conservative and religious and later breaks with that and subscribes to what is called a more cosmopolitan culture. These are things that arise in later life - these are conflicts with their own cultural background and with the people who matter most to them"   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Robert Paul to today’s episode. Dr. Paul is well known for having three careers; he has been Dean at Emory College, he is the Charles Howard Candler Professor of Anthropology and Interdisciplinary Studies at Emory, and is also a Training and Supervising Psychoanalyst at the Emory University Psychoanalytic Institute. He is also a prolific writer and has served on multiple editorial boards.   In today’s episode, Dr. Paul discusses how these three careers have been integrated for him. As Dean, Dr. Paul saw his analytic patients early in the morning which grounded him. It deepened his ability to bring his analytic mindset to the challenging administrative work that he faced the rest of the day. As an anthropologist, Dr. Paul has been able to bring his study of cultures to his analytic listening and has given him an added capacity to work with people from foreign cultures as they approach the analytic task.   This conversation reveals the power of introducing new experiences for mentees, faculty, students and patients. Dr. Paul describes his mentor and how he introduced him to the opportunity to move forward in his life. In turn, Dr. Paul describes how he mentored others and inspired them to also move forward in their various careers and interests.   Key takeaways: [7:25] Dr. Schwartz talks about the intersection between anthropology and psychoanalysis. [9:16] Dr. Paul shares his experience being a dean and a psychoanalyst. [14:10] Dr. Paul builds bridges between anthropology and psychoanalysis. [16:10] How does Dr. Paul’s work as an anthropologist interface with his work as an analyst? [19:38] Dr. Paul talks about the similarities and differences between the Buddhist and the analytic method. [24:07] How being an anthropologist adds to Dr. Paul’s clinical listening. [26:00] Dr. Paul dives deep into the conflict of cultures. [29:28] Dr. Paul shares a clinical example. [32:18] The difference between not being able to say certain things and believing you cannot think about them. [33:25] Dr. Paul shares how he integrates his several different passions and the role his mentor had on his career choices. [39:04] The impact analysts have on the world.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org   Recommended Readings:   On 'The Optimal Structure for Psychoanalytic Education': Commentary of Wallerstein. JAPA 55(3): 991 – 997. 2007. Paul, Robert A.   Is the Nature of Psychoanalytic Thinking and Practice (e.g.) in regard to Sexuality Determined by Extra-Analytic, Social and Cultural Development: Sexuality: Biological Fact or Cultural Construction? The View from Dual Inheritance Theory. IJP 97(3): 823 – 837.2016. Paul Robert A.   Anthropology. In Salman Akhtar and Stuart Twemlow, Eds., Textbook of Applied Psychoanalysis, London and New York: Routledge., pp. 3 – 12. 2018. Paul, Robert A. . Changing Attitudes About Sex. In Vaia Tsolas and Christine Anzieu-Premmereur, On the Body: A Psychoanalytic Exploration of the Body in Today's World. London and New York, Routledge, pp. 28 – 41. 2018. Paul, Robert A.   Personal Feeling: Psychoanalysis, Anthropology, and 'Individuology'; Book Review Essay. JAPA 68(4). Currently available on-line, forthcoming soon in print. 2020. Paul, Robert A.

"The goal is to find magic which is not psychotic, to find a form of magic which isn’t simply the denial of reality. The nonpsychotic form of magic is play. The analyst and the patient have to learn to be able to play together in that transitional realm."   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Joel Whitebook. Dr. Whitebook is a philosopher and a psychoanalyst and is on the faculty of the Columbia Center for Psychoanalytic Training and Research where he was the Director of the University’s Psychoanalytic Studies Program. Dr. Whitebook’s research centers on the attempt to integrate psychoanalysis and critical theory in the tradition of the Frankfurt School. Dr. Whitebook is  widely published but is mostly known for his masterwork, Freud: An Intellectual Biography. In this work he brings together his philosophical and psychoanalytic ear and insightfulness to provide an overview and a deep understanding of Freud’s development.   In today’s conversation, Drs. Whitebook and Schwartz speak about magic in the history of psychoanalysis, and as it relates to religion, transference, play, and the healing process in general. Enjoy this simply fascinating talk.   Key takeaways: [9:44] Dr. Whitebook talks about what he learned about magic. [10:28] Enlightenment, magic, and disenchantment. [14:05] Dr. Whitebook talks about the often denied origins of psychoanalysis. [15:48] Dr. Whitebook explains the way in which psychoanalysis emerged out of hypnosis. [17:03] Hypnosis is an example of transference. [18:15] Psychoanalysis was born because of the way it repudiated suggestion. [19:55] Drs. Whitebook and Schwartz explore the concept of analytic magic/transference/love. [21:50] Transference and countertransference as vehicles for insight. [23:05] Enactment as a way of producing the material that then can be analyzed to achieve  insight. [25:01] Dr. Winnicott’s criticism of Freud’s notion of illusion. [28:09] The two principles of mental functioning. [29:48] Embracing external reality while respecting the forces of enchantment. [33:16] The desecularization of the world. [34:10] Dr. Whitebook talks about how magic is and has been immersed in his work. [36:20] Dr. Whitebook shares how he tried to untangle Freud’s objections to religions. [38:25] Freedom of speech occupies a central role in psychoanalysis. [39:43] Freud, Judaism, and psychoanalysis.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org  Learn more about Dr. Joel Whitebook   Recommended Readings: Perversion and Utopia: Studies in Psychoanalysis and Critical Thinking, (Studies in Contemporary German Social Thought), Joel Whitebook   Freud: An Intellectual Biography, , Chapters, 8, 9, 11 & 13. Joel Whitebook   Slow Magic: Psychoanalysis and the Disenchantment of the World.  Journal of the American Psychoanalytic Association 50, no. 4 (2002): 1197-1217. Joel Whitebook   Jacob's Ambivalent Legacy. .American Imago (2010): 139-155. Joel Whitebook   Freud on Religion, (Acumen, 2104), Chapt, 4. Marsha Alleen Hewitt   Psychoanalysis and Magic: Then and now. American Imago (2009): 471-489. Mikita Brottman   Evening in the Palace of Reason: Bach Meets Federick the Great in the Age of Enlightenment, (Harper: 2016). James Gaines (This is a marvelous book that explores the fate of Bach's enchanted world of music when it encountered the Enlightenment.)

“I think that the analyst has to be in touch with his anxiety in order to be able to understand the patient's anxiety. But he has to not be drowned in such anxiety in order to be able to be the helpful object.”   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Ilany Kogan, who is a Training and Supervisory Analyst at the Israel Psychoanalytic Society. She is one of the founders of the Psychotherapy Centre for the Child and Adolescent in Bucharest, Romania.  She worked as a supervisor of the IPA study work in Istanbul and she currently supervises throughout Germany and in Rumania.   Ilany Kogan worked for many years with Holocaust survivors and she has published extensively in this area. She was awarded the Elise M. Hayman Award for the Study of the Holocaust and Genocide (2005) and the Sigourney Award (2016) for her lifetime work. She is the author of many books, most recently in 2020: Narcissistic Fantasies in Film and Fiction: Masters of the Universe, prior to that Canvas of Change: Analysis Through the Prism of Creativity, The Struggle Against Mourning, Escape from Selfhood: Breaking Boundaries and Craving for Oneness and others.   In today’s episode, you will hear about Ilany´s devotion to her patients and the ways she identifies their life forces. She dives deep into the essence of hope and creativity since many of her patients, as we all do as humans, struggle with locating the good objects inside us.  Ilany is devoted to freeing up the positive, hopeful, and creative energies in individuals. This is especially vital when we are limited by neurotic distortions, families that have struggled with the effects of the Holocaust, and for all of us now since we are struggling with terrible uncertainties in the midst of this pandemic.   Key takeaways: [7:45] Ilany Kogan shares what her clinical and theoretical work has taught her about the vital role of creativity in life and especially in critical times. [9:35] Resistance is the best way the person knows how to deal with conflicts at a particular moment which deserves respect. [12:31] What is the meaning for the dyad when both analyst and analysand share the same danger? [13:55] Analysts have to work through their own anxieties in order to be able to help the patient dealing with his own anxiety. [15:46] Ilany Kogan talks about the concept of death anxieties. [18:05] She believes that the creativity of the analyst is dealing with the changes imposed by the pandemic. [19:32] Interpretation can be difficult to use during a period of stress. [20:58] Ilany Kogan talks about the challenges that some analysts encounter in metabolizing the anxieties of the patient and returning it to them in tolerable form. [21:43] Ilany Kogan shares a clinical example. [29:14] Through analytic work the past can be left in the past. [29:50] What sustains her during these difficult times?   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org    Recommended Readings: Narcissistic Fantasies in Film and Fiction: Masters of the Universe, Ilany Kogan   Canvas of Change: Analysis Through the Prism of Creativity, Ilany Kogan   The Struggle Against Mourning, Ilany Kogan   Escape from Selfhood: Breaking Boundaries and Craving for Oneness, Ilany Kogan

“It’s a big job to accept the otherness of the other. This places demands on the psychological processing of each individual to tolerate the otherness of the other. Therefore we often see regressive solutions when the other person’s otherness cannot be endured. Then ideal narcissistic states of purity and homogeneity are longed for.”   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Werner Bohleber who is a Training and Supervising Analyst in Frankfurt, Germany, where he lives and practices. He is a former President of the German Psychoanalytic Association (DPV) and has served as a member of the Board of the IPA, and the chair of several IPA committees. For twenty years, Dr. Bohleber was the editor in chief of the German psychoanalytic Journal, Psyche. In 2007 he received the Sigourney Award for distinguished contributions to the field of psychoanalysis.   In today’s episode, you will hear Dr. Bohleber’s devotion to his clinical, social, and academic work which has been focused in the area of otherness, as it is expressed in hyper nationalism and antisemitism. He has devoted special attention to the Nazi period, the Holocaust, and the impact of the Second World War on the survivors and the generations that followed. Most recently he devoted himself to the study of trauma in. Dr. Bohleber shares the reasons that brought him to this work. He recounts how when he was an adolescent he saw the movie Night and Fog which visually documents the atrocities that took place in Auschwitz. He dedicated his career to studying what happened inside the minds of the individuals involved in this tragic time in history and also what happened inside the culture that led to these kinds of atrocities.   Key takeaways: [7:51] Dr. Bohleber discusses the otherness the he studies in his work. [11:55] One of the aims of the psychoanalytic treatment is to help the patient to accept the ambivalence of life. [13:45] Libidinization is not in contrast with separateness. [14:30] Dr. Bohleber talks about the interplay between unconscious fantasies and political tensions. [17:10] Dr. Bohleber talks about what it seems to be a helpless rebellion against the loss of a familiar world and against the changes that go along with it. [19:10] The idea of an ethnic homogenous nation-state is celebrated not only in Germany but also in other states of Europe. [21:15] Dr. Bohleber talks about the role of an analyst in a multicultural society that struggles to integrate. [23:20] Psychoanalysts should not retreat into the comfort of their offices. [24:46] How does Germany’s Nazi past influence the culture’s thinking when faced with the struggles over otherness? [29:11] Dr. Bohleber talks about the psychoanalytic studies of antisemitism and how usually antisemitic people do not engage in psychoanalytic treatments. [30:50] Dr. Bohleber shares what motivated his passion to study antisemitism and fundamentalisms of all sorts.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org   Recommended Readings: Bohleber, W.: Destructiveness, Intersubjectivity, and Trauma. The Identity Crisis of Modern Psychoanalysis. London (Karnac) 2010.   Bohleber, W.: Remembrance, Trauma, and Collective Memory. The Battle for Memory in Psychoanalysis. Int J Psychoanal 2007, 88, 329-352.   Bohleber, W.: Problems in German Remembrance. In: Brenner, I. (Ed.): The handbook of psychoanalytic Holocaust studies. International perspectives. London/New York: Routledge 2020, 129 – 142.

"I hope that out of these tragedies there is an opportunity not only to express the intensity of our reactions but to get back down to the detailed business of understanding and unpacking the nature and contributions to the problems. We also can revisit and learn new solutions and achieve greater mastery. This is as much about the work that we do in our psychoanalytic consulting rooms as it is about the work that we attempt to do in the community.”   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Steven Marans, a psychoanalyst who has devoted his career to understanding police departments, the community, and the interface between both with a psychoanalytic perspective.   Dr. Marans is a child and adult psychoanalyst and is the Harris Professor of Child Psychiatry and Professor of Psychiatry at the Child Study Center and Department of Psychiatry, Yale University School of Medicine. He is the director of the National Center for Children Exposed to Violence and the founder of the Child Development-Community Policing Program.   Dr. Marans is also co-developer with Dr. Steve Berkowitz of the Child and Family Traumatic Stress Intervention, a brief, early treatment that has proven effective in reducing post-traumatic disorders in children exposed to traumatic events. Under the auspices of a SAMHSA grant, this intervention is being rolled out nationally through the National Child Traumatic Stress Network.   Over the past 20 years, Dr. Marans has worked closely with the White House, U.S. Department of Justice, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, U.S. Department of Educations, and members of Congress on issues related to responding to the trauma associated with violence in homes and communities, on terrorism and natural disasters and has served on national advisory groups and commissions regarding these issues.   Dr. Marans also continues to see children, adolescents, and adults for clinical consultations, psychotherapy, and psychoanalysis. He teaches and supervises child psychiatry, psychology, and social work fellows in psychodynamic evaluation and treatment.   Key takeaways: [9:05] Dr. Marans talks about the clinical phenomenon in times of crisis. [12:05] Dr. Marans shares what goes through his mind when hearing the news about police violence. [15:52] The police see aspects of our community that civilians don´t see. [17:55] The challenges of entering the professional role of someone else. [18:55] Narrowness of thinking prevents us from understanding what it is like to be a community member who is afraid of the police, as well as it obstructs our ability to appreciate what is like to be policemen and women involved in dangerous situations. [19:50] Our thinking becomes oversimplified when we are most upset. [21:55] Dr. Marans explores the implications of the idea of “us vs them”. [25:55] The way in which the community perceives the police has shifted. [29:31] Dr, Marans explains what happens when reality confirms the negative pre-conceptions of others. [33:31] Vulnerability, anxiety and stress can narrow the sense of options and responses on both ends. [36:02] “The best way to begin the job is to meet as many people as you can.” [40:30] When we are at our most overwhelmed, we have the least amount of resources available to bring the level of distress under control.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org Childhood Violent Trauma Center, Yale School of Medicine   Recommended Readings: Phenomena of Childhood Trauma and Expanding Approaches to Early Intervention. International Journal of Applied Psychoanalytic Studies 10(3): 247-266 (2013)   Listening to Fear: Helping Kids Cope from Nightmares to the Nightly News. NY: Henry Holt and Co. (2005)   Psychoanalysis on the Beat: Children, Police, and Urban trauma. Psychoanalytic Study of the Child, Vol 51: 522-541 (1996)

"Historians have had to learn to explore their own subjectivity in dealing with the past. They can only see what they are prepared to see and they have frequently blocked out, scotomized, what they really don’t want to see. This is part of the current struggle in the history profession"   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Peter Loewenberg, who is a retired professor of History and Political Psychology at UCLA where he received numerous awards including from the Guggenheim, Rockefeller and Fulbright Foundations. He is a training and supervising analyst and former Dean of the New Center for Psychoanalysis in Los Angeles. He chaired the committee that passed the California Research Psychoanalysis Law in 1977, enabling academics to be trained in and practice psychoanalysis. He Chaired the IPA China Committee, and he served on the IPA Board representing North America. He is the author of many publications, including Decoding the Past: The Psychohistorical Approach and Fantasy and Reality in History. He is Editor of 100 Years of the IPA.   In today’s episode, Dr. Loewenberg shares his passion for the academic and psychoanalytic worlds and his ability to relate these two fields to each other. As a historian, Dr. Loewenberg informs psychoanalysis and underlines how vital it is to appreciate and listen for the past, and he brings from psychoanalysis to history the importance of listening to oneself in observing the present and the past.   Key takeaways: [5:44] Dr. Loewenberg shares how psychoanalysis and history can understand the methods of each other to the advantage of both, and how this informed his discovery and immersion in Psychohistory. [7:03] Dr. Loewenberg talks about how historians took the contributions of psychoanalysis to history. [9:45] Trauma experienced by a psychoanalyst influences his practice, giving a three dimensional perspective to his understanding of his patient’s trauma. [11:12] Dr. Loewenberg talks about psychohistory and how the past impacts the present in meaningful ways. [13:06] How the Deutsche Mark became one of the strongest currencies in Europe. [16:24] Dr. Loewenberg shares his beginnings as a psychoanalyst. [21:59] Dr. Loewenberg talks about how the first cases were like for him. [27:38] The appreciation of the exchanges between analyst and analysand. [29:10] Historians’ appreciation for the past is often very subjective. [31:10] Dr. Loewenberg shares how life is now for him and his family during the pandemic.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org   Recommended Readings: 100 Years of the IPA: The Centenary History of the International Psychoanalytical Association 1910 - 2010: Evolution and Change Ed. and introduced (with Nellie L. Thompson); (London: International Psychoanalytical Association, 2011).   Decoding the Past: The Psychohistorical Approach (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1983); (Berkeley and Los Angeles: University of California Press, 1985); (New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Publishers, 1996, paperback edition with a new introduction,).   Fantasy and Reality in History (New York: Oxford University Press, 1995).   Walther Rathenau and Henry Kissinger: The Jew as Modern Statesman in Two Political Cultures (New York: Leo Baeck Institute, 1980).   "The Psychohistorical Origins of the Nazi Youth Cohort," American Historical Review 76: 5 (December 1971), 1457-1502.   "The Unsuccessful Adolescence of Heinrich Himmler," American Historical Review 76- 3 (June 1971), pp. 612-641.  

"The schools of thought differed very strongly. The Calcutta school primarily belonged to the classical Freudian school of thought whereas Bombay worked from a very structured Tavistock model which they have been following for a very long time. In Dehli we find the Ericksonian model. These cites developed these models as a result of their connection to different parts of the world."   Description: Dr.Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Jhuma Basak, who is a training and supervising psychoanalyst at the Indian Psychoanalytic Society in Calcutta where she lives and works. Dr. Basak is an active member of the IPA’s Committee on Women and Psychoanalysis and is a consulting member of the IPA’s humanitarian committee. Her areas of interest in psychoanalysis are culture, women, and gender. Dr. Basak has widely published and has been translated into many languages.   In today’s episode Dr. Basak describes two transformations, one that is cultural and another that is internal - both are related to changing from an authoritative position that uses certainty and morality to deal with conflict, to one that attends to the inner ambiguous life both of the analysand as well as that of the analyst.   Key takeaways: [4:40] Life before and after COVID in Calcutta. [8:33] The lockdown in Calcutta is contradictory at times. [9:58] Dr. Basak talks about psychoanalytic life in Calcutta. [15:08] Dr. Basak explains how the psychoanalytic field in India shifted from being mostly dominated by men in its origins, to recent times where women have gained interest and expertise in the Indian psychoanalytic community. [19:26] Clinical work has been shifted gradually to women. [20:37] A critical and challenging position for female Indian Psychoanalysts. [21:31] Dr. Basak shares some clinical material. [26:58] Dr. Basak talks about her perspective regarding countertransference. [28:00] Dr. Basak shares her experience as a spokesperson and the vulnerability that comes along with this role. [29:46] “We are too comfortable in authoritarian positions, they give us certainty.”   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

"I don't think you derive technical rules or interpretive strategies from theory. I think that what we do instead is to try to be open-minded, available and resonant with what’s happening in the world of the patient and try to maintain a rich world of associational potentials in the back of our mind"   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Robert Michels to today’s episode. Dr. Michels has been a training and supervising psychoanalyst at the Columbia University Center for Psychoanalytic Training and Research in New York. Dr. Michels was the Dean of Cornell University Medical College, Provost for Medical Affairs of Cornell University and was a long-standing Chair of the Department of Psychiatry at Cornell.   Dr. Michels has been a leader in psychoanalysis and psychiatry - he is the past President of the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology, past President of the American College of Psychiatrists and past President of the American Association of Chairs of Departments of Psychiatrist. In addition to authoring over 350 professional articles, Dr. Michels has also been an active editor - he is a former Deputy Editor of the American Journal of Psychiatry, former Joint Editor-in-Chief of the International Journal of Psychoanalysis, and he has served on the editorial boards of the New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of the American Psychoanalytic Association, Psychoanalytic Quarterly among others.   Dr. Michels shares in this episode his exquisite attunement to what takes place in the psychoanalytic dyad, from both the analysand’s and analyst’s perspectives, and how this can be best understood for the benefit and growth of the patient.   Key takeaways: [5:31] How does psychoanalysis interface with psychiatry and academic medicine? [11:45] Every discipline has unique characteristics that cannot be understood by other disciplines. [13:50] Dr. Michels shares his experiences and perspective of the field of psychoanalysis during the past half-century. [16:45] There is a change in the notion of what we do as psychoanalysts. [17:35] Dr. Michel talks about not being concerned about being logically inconsistent with a patient. [19:56] The associative immersion. [21:01] How to test an intervention. [22:18] Dr. Michels shares some clinical examples that demonstrate the change in his thinking. [28:03] Dr.Schwartz shares an example of psychoanalysts working at the beginning of the COVID crisis. [30:15] Dr. Michels talks about the meaning of a patient’s way to start a session by asking “How are you?” to the therapist in times of pandemic. [31:36] What is life like for Dr. Michels being at risk in COVID times?   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

“Once we put things together and express them to somebody, something happens. We become more alive - because we are expressing what we are expressing in terms of what is real and what is real is not static. What is real is continuously moving and what is real is the experience of everything moving and everything changing from minute to minute.”   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Melvin Bornstein, who is a Training and Supervising Psychoanalyst at the Michigan Psychoanalytic Institute. He is also the editor of the journal Psychoanalytic Inquiry. Dr. Bornstein is one of the elders in psychoanalysis. In today´s episode, he describes with passionate detail his experiences over the past many decades of practice. He also shares with us what this current period of uncertainty is like for him and he expresses the leitmotif of his work and his life in what he calls the “love of life”.   Key takeaways: [5:10] What this period of life has been like for Dr. Bornstein? [8:27] Dr. Bornstein discuses Albert Camus’ The Plague. [10:41] The power of talking to one another and sharing each one’s suffering, pain, and fear. [12:53] The psychoanalytic process allows us to do something about what is happening that otherwise wouldn’t be possible. [14:01] Dr. Bornstein shares his experience free-associating every morning while exercising on his stationary bike. [17:00] Dr. Bornstein talks about his path and where he comes from. [18:56] What is real is not static, is continuously moving. [20:33] Dr. Bornstein describes the most difficult experience from his childhood. [22:58] Dr. Bornstein shares an early clinical situation. [29:32] The immersion of Dr. Bornstein in the psychoanalytic work. [31:52] The driving element is the love of life. [35:33] The difficulty of some patients in owning their love.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

"Some patients are quite happy being in their internal world - maybe the government is too, they’re in one world and people can be in the other. The patients live in one world and what is happening outside doesn’t bother them very much. It is about the avoidance of contact, the avoidance of the other "   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Lola Komarova, who is a psychoanalyst in Moscow and served as the President of the Moscow Group of Psychoanalysts, where she currently is the Director of Training. In addition to her private practice in Moscow, Dr. Komarova teaches applied psychoanalysis for psychology students.   In this episode Dr. Komarova shares her vision of history, with the embedded notion that the past lives in the present. This refers not only to the childhood experiences that live in the present for all of us but also about how the political and historical pasts show themselves in our present circumstances.   Key takeaways: [5:31] Dr. Komarova talks about life in Moscow right now. [9:28] The smallpox epidemic in Moscow. [9:57] The relation between the community and the government during the current epidemic. [14:40] People realized they had to survive by themselves. [15:42] Dr. Komarova talks about the history of psychoanalysis in Moscow. [21:40] How do the multiple theoretical points of view come together in Dr. Komarova’s practice? [25:07] The pandemic and its impact on some patients who became disturbed and paranoid and, on the contrary, some other patients who managed to ignore the pandemic. [27:58] A specific form of denial. [31:15] People show no interest in reality but become immersed in their internal world. [32:07] Dr. Komarova shares how she is sustaining herself during this crisis. [36:05] Dealing with an unpredictable future.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

“In Western countries there was a certain reduction in the importance of the father. I think there is a confusion here between the importance of the father or at least the father function with the authoritarian father, the patriarchal father, that figure that arouses so much suspicion and reactions against.”   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Claudio Laks Eizirik who is a Training and Supervising Analyst at the Porto Alegre Psychoanalytic Society in Brazil. He is Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry at the Federal University of Rio Grande do Sul, former president of the IPA and the recipient of The Sigourney Award in 2011. Currently, he is chair of the IPA’s International New Groups Committee. His main areas of interest are psychoanalytic training and practice, the process of aging, and the relation of psychoanalysis and culture.   In today’s episode, Dr. Eizirik dives deep into the meaning of the fathering function, which exists in our minds and later emerges in our analysis, and also exists in the political sphere, both in our national politics and in the capacity of our leaders. Dr. Eizirik evidences a life built upon the richness of this fathering function.   Key takeaways: [6:14] Dr. Eizirik talks about the health and the political health currently in Brazil. [9:05] The reaction of the psychoanalytic community in Brazil to the pandemic and the current political situation. [10:56] Psychoanalysis is seen as a living force in the Brazilian current scene. [12:29] The fathering function in the office and how it applies politically. [15:24] The role of the father has been neglected by psychoanalysis due to the emphasis in the relationship between mother and baby. [16:15] The confusion between the father principle with the authoritarian father. [18:25] Winnicott’s meaning for the word “democracy”. [19:40] We are seeing in many countries the presence of leaders who don´t understand the role of a father, someone who inspires, leads, shows empathy and compassion, and instead take an authoritarian stance. [21:44] How does the father function live in the minds of daughters and sons? [24:26] Dr. Eizirik shares disguised clinical material. [29:55] How is Dr.Eizirik sustains himself during this crisis.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org   Recommended Readings: Eizirik, CL ( 2020) Uma vez mais, ‘ O OVO da Serpente” ? ( Once again, “The serpent`s egg “?) Observatório Psicanalítico, Federação Brasileira de Psicanálise.   Eizirik, CL, Foresti, G. ( 2019) Psychoanalysis and Psychiatry: Partners and Competitors in the Mental Health Field,IPA/ Routledge, London and New York   Eizirik, CL ( 2018) Contemporary developments and challenges of analytic training and practice. In Tylim, I and Harris, A ( editors) Reconsidering the Moveable Frame in Psychoanalysis, Routledge, London and New York   Eizirik, CL, Falcão, L. and Libermann, Z. ( 2018 )The death drive and the work of the negative in André Green´s work: metapsychology, clinical practice, and culture. In Reed, G. and Levine, H. André Green Revisited.IPA/ Routledge, London and New York.   Eizirik, CL ( 2015) The Father, the Father Function, the Father Principle: Some Contemporary Psychoanalytic Developments, The Psychoanalytic Quarterly, volume LXXXIV, n 2:335-350  

“After I had been practicing analysis for 50 years, I asked myself: What was the most important thing I learned in those 50 years? It took me a lot of time to learn the obvious: the patient is somebody else.”   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Warren Poland, who is a psychoanalyst in private practice in Washington DC. Dr. Poland is a former editor of the JAPA Review of Books and he has been on the Board of The Psychoanalytic Quarterly for over 40 years. Dr. Poland was awarded the Sigourney Prize in 2009 and the JAPA Journal Prize in 2002. In addition to many articles, Dr. Poland has written two books, Melting the Darkness: The Dyad and Principles of Clinical Practice and his most recent work: Intimacy and Separateness in Psychoanalysis.   During this episode, Dr. Poland shares what it means to him to be vulnerable in this time as well as his sense of responsibility to others. He describes how the centrality of the recognition of the other gives rise to the recognition of aspects of responsiveness and separateness between people. His goal is to appreciate the patient as an other as well as for the patient to recognize his separateness.   Key takeaways: [7:02] Dr. Poland shares his perspective with regard to the current crisis. [9:33] Life can be terrifying for our species; all we can do is hope and work for the future. [10:45] The future needs us. [10:58] Dr. Poland talks about his analytic journey. [12:58] What is like to be somebody else? [16:33] ´There is a real person in there´. [17:50] Dr. Poland talks about the obstacles that prevent truly engaging with a patient. [18:40] Psychoanalysis is the discipline that studies the matters that the patient does not want to confront. [20:30] The patient reads the analyst even better than the analyst does. [21:50] Nobody lives outside the fabric of the human interchange. [23:55] Dr. Poland shares a moment that describes his sensitive eye for people’s self-aggrandizing tendencies. [27:07] Dr. Poland talks about how he deals with his patients that are struggling with financial situations. [28:25] It is important that a patient is able to fire a doctor. [30:35] If you want your patients to come back, tell them something they could use, and then they will want to come back for more. [32:55] Dr. Poland dives deep into the fullness of conversation. [35:46] What is human and humane is regard for the other. [36:44] Dr. Poland talks about the intimacy about what is true without the fear of showing vulnerability. [39:56] The core of conversation and vulnerability is the realization of reciprocity.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org   Recommended Readings: Melting the Darkness: The Dyad and Principles of Clinical Practice, Dr. Warren Poland Intimacy and Separateness in Psychoanalysis, Dr. Warren Poland

“In this period with the Coronavirus and even during the wars, I don’t think that the relationship between me and the patient is symmetric even if we have to face the same external dangers. The relationship continues to be asymmetric - I manage the treatment, I decide the setting, I continue to be the analyst.”   Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Yael Samuel who is a Training Analyst at the Israeli Psychoanalytic Society. Dr. Samuel works full time in private practice as an analyst in Tel Aviv and is a member of the training committee in charge of the new candidates, programs, and teaching. Dr. Samuel is also the Co-Founder and Manager of the nonprofit organization called Lechol Nefesh, “For Every Soul,” which is a program designed to bring psychoanalytic psychotherapy to a larger population of often psychotic patients. As part of this program for the past seven years Dr. Samuel has been managing a treatment unit in a psychiatric hospital. Dr. Yael Samuel is the Israeli Psychoanalytic Society representative to the Congress of French Psychoanalytic Speakers and works along with Harvey Schwartz on the IPA in Health Committee.   In today’s conversation, Dr. Samuel shares her unique Israeli perspective on facing this crisis, as Israeli analysts have faced many crises before as a consequence of the wars they have been through. She shares some dramatic examples of the prior trauma they had to deal with as analysts in the analyst-patient dyad.   Key takeaways: [7:45] Dr. Yael Samuel talks about what life is currently like in Israel. [9:12] Israeli people are used to obeying when it is time to protect themselves. [11:25] Israeli people have an app that shows if you have been in contact with someone infected by COVID-19. [13:07] The response of the analytic community in Israel to the COVID-19 outbreak. [15:28] There are a lot of groups and forums organized by psychoanalysts. [16:05] Dr. Yael shares how the transition was to working with patients in an online modality. [17:19] Dr. Yael talks about a difficult moment she experienced in her practice with one of her patients. [20:01] Struggles that may arise in phone sessions with different patients. [22:18] Real vs metaphoric. [23:20] Dr. Yael talks about her work on a unit designed for psychotic patients. [25:50] Dr. Yael talks about the asymmetry in the relationship with the patient. [27:50] Dr. Yael confesses to being less frightened by the COVID-19 infection than by the war. [30:08] What sustains Dr. Yael during this current crisis?   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

"I feel terribly isolated not seeing my patients face to face, not seeing them in my consulting room. Also, you know, the work with students in all these internet platforms is possible but it is pretty difficult." Description: In times when we are all facing a crisis of unprecedented proportion, we are going change the focus of the podcast: we will now be interviewing psychoanalysts from all corners of the globe to discuss how their local communities are coping with this situation, how their clinical work has been affected by the situation, and how the internal worlds of both the analysts and the patients have been impacted by this virus as it touches both our real and imaginary fears. This is an opportunity to gain great wisdom, empathy, and hope.   Harvey Schwartz welcomes Wojtek Hanbowski, who is a training and child analyst at the Polish Psychoanalytical Society and the co-founder of the Hanna Segal Institute for Psychoanalytic Studies in Warszawa. Between 1993 and 1997, he worked at the Cassel Hospital in London and he had his analyst and his training in child analysis at the Institute for Psychoanalysis.   In today’s episode, Wojtek shares the struggles presented by the current situation dealing with the COVID 19, forcing sessions to be virtual, exposing a tension between the literal and the metaphoric, and the impact it has on analysts and on patients as well.   Key takeaways: [3:55] Wojtek talks about the current situation in Eastern Europe regarding COVID 19. [6:50] Wojtek shares how the psychoanalytic community in Poland is reacting to the pandemic. [8:45] The British colleagues started remote analysis later than the rest of European countries. [9:35] The feeling of isolation as an analyst who can’t receive patients in the consulting room. [12:16] Wojtek shares clinical examples about how different fantasies operate in a new setting. [16:22] Harvey analyses the tension between the literal and the metaphoric. [17:36] It is the first time in human history where the scientists share openly the results of their researches.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

“We don’t know when it is going to end, it’s an endless story, and this is the worry… Will everything come back to normality? In the beginning, we thought it would, but now we think nothing will ever be the same.”   Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes you to the 41st episode of Psychoanalysis On and Off the Couch In these times when we are all facing a crisis of unprecedented proportions we are going to be changing the focus of our podcast. Now we are going to be interviewing psychoanalysts from all corners of the globe to discuss how their local communities are coping with this situation; how their clinical work has been affected by this situation; and also how the internal worlds of both the analysts and the patient have been impacted by this virus as it reaches both our real and imaginary fears. Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Simonetta Diena to this episode. She is a psychiatrist and a Training and Supervising Psychoanalyst at the Italian Psychoanalytic Association and she is also a Fellow of the Research Training Program of the International Psychoanalytic Association. Dr. Diena’s interests are wide, she has published and spoken on eating disorders, on art, films, and trauma. Dr. Diena’s latest book published in English is named Psychoanalysis Listening to Love: Passion and Bonds. In today’s episode, the conversation is on the pressing crisis, Dr. Diena lives and works in Milan, and she shares how she finds herself doing “things she never has done before.” This is a reality for us all, we will find ourselves doing things we have never done before. The challenge is to being able to integrate a focus on metaphor and analytic reality during this times of global crisis.   Key takeaways: [4:38] Dr. Diena talks about the current situation in Milan, Italy. [5:30] Dr. Diena shares how the psychoanalytic community has been affected by the Covid-19 crisis. [9:50] The role of intuition. [10:55] The differences now in the clinical setting. [13:30] The problem of the worries. [15:45] This time the worry is shared by both the patient and the analyst. [18:32] We will be doing things we have never done before. [19:20] Dr. Diena shares some clinical examples. [23:08] Being alone in a different way. [25:31] Dr. Diena shares how the feeling of belonging to a community is sustaining her in this process. [28:25] Celebrating holidays in a different way.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Leon Hoffman, who is a Training Analyst, and a child, adolescent and adult Psychoanalyst at the New York Psychoanalytic Society and Institute, and he is also the Co-Director of the Pacella Research Center. Dr. Hoffman is the Chief Psychiatrist and Psychoanalyst at the West End Day School in New York City and he is the Co-Developer of the ongoing clinician research seminar at the New York Psychoanalytic Society and institute.     The focus of today’s conversation is on Dr. Hoffman’s role as the Co-Investigator of the Evaluation of Regulation Focused Psychotherapy for Children, which is a key part of his life’s work. As you will hear in this episode, Dr. Hoffman brings his warmth, enthusiasm, and his deep feeling for understanding the inner lives of children, even when they make that very difficult, even when their disruptive behavior leads them to be not listened to by many, Dr. Hoffman is committed not only to listen to them but to train others to learn how to listen to them.    Key takeaways:  [3:55] Dr. Hoffman shares his own thoughts about the advantages and disadvantages of a manualized approach and the clinical challenges he and his team have faced after creating the manual.  [9:20] Dr. Hoffman talks about his work taking key aspects of child analytic work and bringing them to a broader community, in terms of clinicians and patients.  [9:51] Children with behavioral problems are experts in bringing up the weak spots of the therapist.  [10:40] Dr. Hoffman and his team developed a manual meant to help analysts with her or his countertransference.  [13:31] Dr. Hoffman explains children tell a story in a disguised way through play.  [14:00] Dr. Hoffman shares a case example where defense was addressed from the start.  [19:05] The pros and cons of a short term treatment.  [21:58] Positive transference is not interpreted, only disruptions and countertransference.  [26:04] Dr. Hoffman details how the therapist addresses in the play the patient’s response to her scary feelings.  [27:35] The triangle of defense.  [29:53] Listening and understanding the emotions behind the child’s behaviors lead to great improvements in a short period of time.  [31:43] Stop, look and listen.  [32:15] What brought Dr. Hoffman to child analysis?    Mentioned in this episode:  IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org      Recommended Readings:  Hoffman, L., Rice, T. R., with Prout, T. A. (2016). Manual of regulation-focused psychotherapy for children (RFP-C) with externalizing behaviors: A psychodynamic approach. New York, NY: Routledge.     Berta Bornstein's Frankie: The Contemporary Relevance of a Classic to the Treatment of Children with Disruptive Symptoms. The Psychoanalytic Study of the Child 68:152-176     Rice, TR, and Hoffman, L.  (2014). Defense Mechanisms and Implicit Emotion Regulation: A Comparison of a Psychodynamic Construct with One from Contemporary Neuroscience. J Am Psychoanal Assoc 62: 693-708.    Prout, T. A., Bernstein, M., Gaines, E., Aizin, S., Sessler, D., Racine, E., Spigelman, A., Rice, T., & Hoffman, L. (2020). Regulation Focused Psychotherapy for Children in clinical practice: Case vignettes from psychotherapy outcome studies. International Journal of Play Therapy, 29(1), 43–53     Prout, T. A., Rice, T., Murphy, S., Gaines, E., Aizin, S., Sessler, D., ... & Hoffman, L. (2019). Why Is It Easier to Get Mad Than It Is to Feel Sad? Pilot Study of Regulation-Focused Psychotherapy for Children. American journal of psychotherapy, 72(1), 2-8.       Regulation Focused Psychotherapy for Children 

“Attachment theory is a psychoanalytic theory that extended its field to the neurosciences, to clinical trials, and to behavioral observations such as going to the schools and seeing teachers and children together. We can observe children's' behavior and use psychoanalytic theory to understand them allowing us to detect problems even in infancy.”   Description: Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Humberto Persano. Dr. Persano is a psychiatrist and an adult and child psychoanalyst at the Argentine Psychoanalytic Association where he is a training and supervising analyst. In addition, Dr. Persano has been appointed the Director of Mental Health Services for the City of Buenos Aires. Dr. Persano is a full professor in Psychology and Nutrition in the School of Medicine at the University of Buenos Aires. He is as well the author of The Importance of Psychodynamic Diagnoses in Patients with Severe Mental Illness, and he was also a collaborator on the Psychodynamic Diagnostic Manual, second edition. Drs. Persano and Schwartz have worked together on the IPA in Health Committee. Dr. Persano shares in today’s interview how his roles as both a psychoanalyst and as a mental health administrator interact with each other and how he applies his psychoanalytic thoughts and knowledge on a large scale   Key takeaways: [4:44]What does being the Mental Health Director of the city of Buenos Aires entail? [9:04] Dr. Persano talks about his mentors. [9:54] Dr. Persano describes Buenos Aires’ main features (population, geography, hospitals) [11:07] Buenos Aires counts with four public psychiatric hospitals and seven psychiatric units in general hospitals. [12:13] There is a need in Buenos Aires to create more mental health units in general hospitals in order not to stigmatize people suffering from mental disorders. [15:10] Dr. Persano talks about his professional background. [17:14] The relationship between psychoanalysis and psychiatry. [20:55] Dr. Persano talks about the attachment behavior in the transference process. [25:35] Dr. Persano shares an example on attachment of his work in the early 90's. [30:40] Dr. Persano talks about a research that was conducted in Sweden about the role of a psychotherapist in the long term psychic organization of the patient.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org   Recommended Readings: Beutel, M. E., Rasting, M., Stuhr, U., Rüger, B., & Leuzinger-Bohleber, M. (2004). Assessing the impact of psychoanalysis and long-term psychoanalytic therapies on health care utilization and costs. Psychotherapy Research, 14(2), 146-160.   Fonagy, P. (2018). Attachment theory and psychoanalysis. Routledge.   Lingiardi, V., & McWilliams, N. (Eds.). (2017). Psychodynamic diagnostic manual: PDM-2. Guilford Publications.   Persano, H. L. El mundo de la Salud Mental en la Práctica Clínica. Editorial Akadia, Buenos Aires, 2018.   Sandell, R., Blomberg, J., Lazar, A., Carlsson, J., Broberg, J., & Schubert, J. (2000).Varieties of Long-Term Outcome Among Patients in Psychoanalysis and Long-Term Psychotherapy: A Review of Findings in the Stockholm Outcome of Psychoanalysis and Psychotherapy Project International Journal of Psycho-Analysis, 81(5), 921-942.

“The skin disorder got worse every springtime coinciding with the time of the death of his father.”   Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Jorge Ulnik, who is a Training and Supervising Psychoanalyst at the Argentine Psychoanalytic Association. Dr. Ulnik has devoted his professional career to the mind-body interface especially as it expresses itself in psychosomatic conditions and even more focused in the world of dermatology. He writes about the psychoanalytic approach to dermatology for medical journals and has lectured around the world on this subject. He has published 22 papers in Spanish in addition to 7 book chapters in 2 books and his latest book in English, called Skin in Psychoanalysis.   In this episode, Dr. Ulnik talks about his extensive experience in this area, his work with individual patients and the conceptual thought that backs up this clinical approach.   Key takeaways: [3:05] The contributions of psychoanalysis to dermatology. [4:49] Parallelism between the functions of the skin and the ego. [5:10] Joint consultation. [7:11] Integration challenges. [8:28] Treating psychosomatic skin disorders. [10:22] A case where integration was successful. [13:56] The emotional background of Dr. Ulnik’s patients. [14:15] Lack of touch. [14:45] The gaze: being seen through a skin disorder. [17:05] Being seen and being known. [18:40] Dr. Ulnik talks about formal representations.    [20:31] Access to affect in psychosomatic patients. [21:20] Action v.s. words. [22:30] Intense suffering as a result of feeling certain emotions. [24:20] The skin as a mirror to project emotional pain. [25:06] Skin patients need to be touched. [27:40] When analysts take on the sense of darkness. [30:25] Threat of being cured from a skin disease and instead becoming disorganized or going crazy. [31:37] Interchangeability of somatic symptoms. [33:17] Localization of lesions in the body. [34:58] Finding order when the nonsense is commanding the situation. [35:40] Humor and metaphor as splendid tools to work with in psychoanalysis.   Mentioned in this episode: IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org   Recommended Reading: Connor, Steven. The Book of Skin. Reaktion books, London, 2004.   Lemma A. Under the Skin. A Psychoanalytic Study of Body Modification. London: Routledge; 2010.   Schur M. Comments on the metapsychology of somatization. Psychoanalytic Study of the Child 10: 63-68.1955.   Ulnik, J. Skin in Psychoanalysis. Routledge, London 2007

Psychologist and author Harvey Schwartz unpacks the dynamics of institutional power and how it can contribute to exploitation. Dr. Schwartz is practicing psychologist and author of Dialogues With Forgotten Voices: Relational Perspectives On Child Abuse Trauma And The Treatment Of Severe Dissociative Disorders.

Psychologist and author Harvey Schwartz unpacks the dynamics of institutional power and how it can contribute to exploitation. Dr. Schwartz is practicing psychologist and author of Dialogues With Forgotten Voices: Relational Perspectives On Child Abuse Trauma And The Treatment Of Severe Dissociative Disorders.

Harvey Schwartz, president and co-COO of Goldman Sachs, took a year off after high school, though it wasn't part of any kind of grand plan - he readily admits there wasn't one. But it did introduce him to his first mentor, and the concept of investing in other people's success that has been a defining theme of his three decades in finance. He shares how his path has evolved over the course of his career and his thoughts on today's market environment. This podcast was recorded on October 3, 2017. This podcast should not be copied, distributed, published or reproduced, in whole or in part. The information contained in this podcast is not financial research nor a product of Goldman Sachs Global Investment Research. Neither Goldman Sachs nor any of its affiliates makes any representation or warranty, as to the accuracy or completeness of the statements or any information contained in this podcast and any liability therefore (including in respect of direct, indirect or consequential loss or damage) is expressly disclaimed. The views expressed in this podcast are not necessarily those of Goldman Sachs, and Goldman Sachs is not providing any financial, economic, legal, accounting or tax advice or recommendations in this podcast. In addition, the receipt of this podcast by any listener is not to be taken as constituting the giving of investment advice by Goldman Sachs to that listener, nor to constitute such person a client of any Goldman Sachs entity. Copyright 2017 Goldman Sachs. All rights reserved.

Show #112 | Guest: Harvey Schwartz, curator of the Oral History Collection, International Longshore and Warehouse Union Library, San Francisco. | Show Summary: Moving beyond familiar accounts of politics, celebrity engineers, and designers, Building the Golden Gate Bridge: A Worker’s Oral History by Harvey Schwartz gives the voices of the workers themselves center stage. The survivors vividly recall the hardships, hazards, and victories of constructing the landmark span during the Great Depression.

Author Harvey Schwartz talks with us about his book, Solidarity Stories. A must read for all longshore workers.

One of my favorite bumper stickers reads “Unions: the Folks Who Brought You the Weekend.” Indeed they did. Organized labor has had a rocky history in the U.S. It’s been hounded for leaning left, associating with mobsters, and being corrupt. But truth be told unions have made an enormous contribution to American prosperity. This is especially true of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union, as Harvey Schwartz explains his new book Solidarity Stories: An Oral History of the ILWU (University of Washington, 2009). While other unions were mired in all of the above-mentioned controversies, the ILWU managed to remain pretty clean. When hounded by the government, it did what all good unions should do–it closed ranks. When its members faced dislocation due to technological advance (for example during the “container revolution”), it adjusted, survived, and continued to serve the interests of its members, their industry, and the nation in general. It’s a real treat to read these working men and women tell their own stories and that of the cause to which they contributed. If you like the work of Studs Turkel, you’ll like this book. I do and I did. Please become a fan of “New Books in History” on Facebook if you haven’t already. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

One of my favorite bumper stickers reads “Unions: the Folks Who Brought You the Weekend.” Indeed they did. Organized labor has had a rocky history in the U.S. It’s been hounded for leaning left, associating with mobsters, and being corrupt. But truth be told unions have made an enormous contribution to American prosperity. This is especially true of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union, as Harvey Schwartz explains his new book Solidarity Stories: An Oral History of the ILWU (University of Washington, 2009). While other unions were mired in all of the above-mentioned controversies, the ILWU managed to remain pretty clean. When hounded by the government, it did what all good unions should do–it closed ranks. When its members faced dislocation due to technological advance (for example during the “container revolution”), it adjusted, survived, and continued to serve the interests of its members, their industry, and the nation in general. It’s a real treat to read these working men and women tell their own stories and that of the cause to which they contributed. If you like the work of Studs Turkel, you’ll like this book. I do and I did. Please become a fan of “New Books in History” on Facebook if you haven’t already. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

One of my favorite bumper stickers reads “Unions: the Folks Who Brought You the Weekend.” Indeed they did. Organized labor has had a rocky history in the U.S. It’s been hounded for leaning left, associating with mobsters, and being corrupt. But truth be told unions have made an enormous contribution to American prosperity. This is especially true of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union, as Harvey Schwartz explains his new book Solidarity Stories: An Oral History of the ILWU (University of Washington, 2009). While other unions were mired in all of the above-mentioned controversies, the ILWU managed to remain pretty clean. When hounded by the government, it did what all good unions should do–it closed ranks. When its members faced dislocation due to technological advance (for example during the “container revolution”), it adjusted, survived, and continued to serve the interests of its members, their industry, and the nation in general. It’s a real treat to read these working men and women tell their own stories and that of the cause to which they contributed. If you like the work of Studs Turkel, you’ll like this book. I do and I did. Please become a fan of “New Books in History” on Facebook if you haven’t already. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices