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In his EMS One-Stop podcast, Rob Lawrence breaks down takeaways from industry news and events, and tackles the challenges that face today’s EMS leadership. He is joined by a host of top names in EMS, who share their experience and insights into how to advance EMS. Rob Lawrence has been a leader in civilian and military EMS for over a quarter of a century. He is currently the director of strategic implementation for PRO EMS and its educational arm, Prodigy EMS, in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and part-time executive director of the California Ambulance Association.

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    Grant funding demystified with Anya Otterson

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 7, 2026 31:40


    Finding grant funding can feel overwhelming, particularly for smaller EMS and fire agencies where one person often wears multiple hats. In this episode of the EMS One-Stop podcast, host Rob Lawrence is joined by Lexipol Grant Writer and Colorado Firefighter-Paramedic Anya Otterson to demystify the grant-writing process. From identifying funding priorities and locating grant opportunities, to building a compelling case backed by data, Anya provides a practical roadmap for agencies looking to secure funding for equipment, staffing and operational improvements. She explains why success starts with clearly defining organizational needs, understanding grant priorities, and assembling evidence that demonstrates both community impact and operational necessity. The discussion explores the complete grant lifecycle, from preparing competitive applications, through to post-award reporting and compliance. Anya emphasizes that strong grant applications combine hard data with real patient stories, while Rob shares lessons learned from managing successful Assistance to Firefighters Grants (AFG) and transportation safety grants. They also discuss how AI tools such as ChatGPT can accelerate research when used appropriately — but caution against relying on AI to write narratives outright. The episode concludes with encouragement for agencies to not be discouraged by unsuccessful applications, reminding listeners that grant writing is an iterative process where persistence and continual improvement often lead to success. Additional resources EMS1 GrantFinder: Our suite of solutions gives agencies direct access to seasoned grant professionals—backed by over 500 years of combined experience—along with a comprehensive tailored grant database Assistance to Firefighters Grants: Meeting firefighting and emergency response needs On-demand webinar: Grants Day — Your funding playbook. Get the insights, expert advice and tools to help your agency score big on grants Key quotes "The data and statistics are incredibly important when writing grants, but to try to set yourself apart, I do like to have a little bit more of a personal touch." — Anya Otterson "Figure out what kinds of things you want funding for and prioritize it." — Anya Otterson "You've got to be in it to win it." — Rob Lawrence "Give yourself enough time. This is not a day-before kind of thing." — Anya Otterson "Making sure that everybody's on the same page is critical because this is not something you can really do in a silo." — Anya Otterson "Never be afraid to reach out to the funding agency with questions. Their job is to help you through the process." — Anya Otterson "ChatGPT should not be writing your narratives for you." — Anya Otterson "If you don't get funded the first time, keep trying." — Anya Otterson "The juice is worth the squeeze." — Rob Lawrence Episode timeline 00:00 – Introduction and why so many EMS leaders struggle to know where to begin with grants 01:30 – Meet Firefighter-Paramedic and Lexipol Grant Writer Anya Otterson 03:00 – The first step: identifying and prioritizing organizational funding needs 04:00 – Where to find grants, including GrantFinder, ChatGPT, state resources and direct outreach 05:45 – Overview of FEMA's Assistance to Firefighters Grant (AFG) program 07:00 – Understanding funding priorities and why high-priority requests have the greatest chance of success 09:00 – Building a compelling grant narrative using statistics, research and patient stories 12:30 – Grant writing best practices: answer the questions, proofread thoroughly and involve leadership early 15:50 – Importance of organizational buy-in and internal communication 17:20 – Understanding grant requirements, matching funds and funding conditions before applying 18:40 – Post-award responsibilities, reporting requirements and maintaining compliance 20:40 – Rob shares practical lessons from administering successful federal grants 23:20 – Lexipol's GrantFinder platform and professional grant writing services 25:45 – Using ChatGPT responsibly to support grant research while avoiding AI-generated narratives 29:35 – Final advice: persistence, continual improvement and learning from unsuccessful applications Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    Why EMS can't sing along with this Anthem

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 24, 2026 32:31


    Matt Zavadsky explains how a commercial insurer's reimbursement proposal — and looming Medicaid changes — could reshape EMS funding In this week's episode of EMS One-Stop, we examine two major financial threats facing EMS reimbursement. Host Rob Lawrence is joined by Matt Zavadsky to analyze the recent Elevance (Anthem) Health Public Policy Institute paper, which argues that commercial insurers should reimburse ambulance services at approximately 160% of the Medicare fee schedule. Zavadsky, EMS/mobile healthcare consultant with PWW | Advisory Group, explains why this paper is significant, noting that Medicare already reimburses below the actual cost of providing ambulance services. If policymakers adopt or even believe Elevance's recommendations, commercial reimbursement could fall dramatically, removing one of the few revenue sources that currently offsets chronic underpayments from Medicare and Medicaid. The discussion highlights the growing influence of commercial insurers in state legislatures and stresses the need for EMS leaders to counter policy proposals with credible cost and operational data rather than anecdotal arguments. The conversation then shifts to CMS's proposed Medicaid supplemental payment rule (GEMT), where Matt predicts that most of the proposed changes are likely to survive into the final rule despite industry opposition. Both hosts discuss their review of the public comments, noting differing impressions of stakeholder sentiment but agreeing that agencies should begin financial planning now for a potential reduction in supplemental Medicaid revenue beginning in 2029. Throughout the episode, the recurring theme is that EMS must become far more effective at explaining both the cost of readiness and the consequences of underfunding. The episode concludes on a more positive note by highlighting the newly released What Paramedics Want in 2026 report as a practical roadmap for improving workforce satisfaction while the industry continues addressing long-term reimbursement challenges. Additional resources The 160% mirage: Why every EMS leader should read the Elevance Ambulance Report When the spreadsheet meets the siren: How CMS's Proposed GEMT Rule could reshape EMS funding What Paramedics Want in 2026 Key quotes "The commercial insurance industry is creating a story that elected officials may perceive as reasonable. We need to combat that story with facts." — Matt Zavadsky "Medicare reimbursement is already below cost, so using it as the benchmark automatically discounts ambulance services." — Matt Zavadsky "We do a great job telling stories about the lives we save. We do a poor job telling the story of what it costs to provide that service." — Matt Zavadsky "The balance billing issue is going to be the No. 1 issue in the next 12 months." — Matt Zavadsky "The first time local elected officials hear there's a problem is usually when the sky is already falling. We need to tell the story before the sky falls." — Matt Zavadsky "Know your costs; know your costs at different service levels, and begin educating your local community." — Matt Zavadsky "This isn't necessarily good news, but it's something we need to understand and all work together to deal with." — Rob Lawrence Episode timeline 00:00 – Introduction and the Elevance Health Public Policy Institute report 02:00 – Matt explains who Elevance Health is and why the report should be viewed as a commercial insurer's policy position 03:30 – Discussion of state balance billing legislation and how commercial insurers are successfully pushing lower reimbursement benchmarks 06:15 – Breakdown of what percentages of Medicare actually mean using national EMS financial data 08:30 – Why using Medicare as the reimbursement benchmark is fundamentally flawed because Medicare itself pays below cost 10:30 – Discussion on the political influence of insurers and why EMS must counter with data-driven messaging 12:30 – Why EMS has historically struggled to tell its financial story despite being effective at telling patient care stories 14:20 – Matt predicts balance billing legislation will become the industry's No. 1 policy issue over the next year 16:10 – Potential consequences if commercial reimbursement falls to 160% of Medicare 17:30 – Discussion on community funding, essential service models and matching service expectations with available revenue 22:20 – Transition to CMS's proposed Medicaid supplemental payment (GEMT) rule 22:45 – Review of public comments submitted on the CMS proposal and differing observations about stakeholder support 25:00 – Matt predicts the CMS rule will largely move forward and agencies should prepare accordingly 27:45 – California and other states discussed as examples of systems likely to experience significant reductions in supplemental Medicaid funding 30:45 – Closing on a positive note with discussion of the What Paramedics Want workforce survey

    Preventing falls, preserving independence: An EMS success story

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 23, 2026 37:23


    The 2026 AIMHI Excellence in Public Information or Education Award recognizes organizations that create innovative programs which improve health, educate communities and demonstrate measurable outcomes. This year's recipient, the Medic Keep the Beat Foundation, earned national recognition for a groundbreaking fall-prevention initiative that is helping older adults remain independent, reducing repeat 911 calls and preventing avoidable hospital admissions. The award celebrates programs that move EMS beyond emergency response into proactive, community-based healthcare. In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence sits down with Jimmy Pierson, president and COO of Medic Ambulance; and Angeline Pierson, occupational therapist with the Medic Keep the Beat Foundation, to explore the award-winning program in depth. The discussion covers everything from home safety assessments and occupational therapy interventions, to public-private partnerships, sustainable funding, EMS workforce innovation and why prevention may be one of the greatest opportunities facing EMS today. Key quotes “You've taken the frequency out of a faller.” — Rob Lawrence “We don't want healthier transports; we want a healthier community.” — Jimmy Pierson “This isn't a business model; it's a community model.” — Jimmy Pierson “We want to keep people safe and independent in their own homes.” — Angeline Pierson “With this program they can stay at home instead of moving into a skilled nursing facility.” — Angeline Pierson “The key is finding partners who see you as a partner; not as a subcontractor.” — Jimmy Pierson “The Australian paramedics became part of our family; they weren't temporary staff.” — Jimmy Pierson Additional resources Awards – AIMHI Medic Keep the Beat Foundation Fall prevention: EMS patient education tips after the lift assist Fall hazard reduction and emergency alerting Geriatric slips, trips and falls: 3 assessment considerations 9 fall prevention tips for EMS providers to share Episode timeline 01:00 – Meet Jimmy and Angeline Pierson 02:00 – Inside the award-winning fall prevention program 06:45 – How patients enter the program 08:30 – Why preventing falls starts inside the home 12:30 – Measuring outcomes and demonstrating return on investment 15:00 – Funding, grants and building community partnerships 17:00 – Public-private partnerships with California fire departments 22:00 – Sonoma County Fire and collaborative EMS delivery 28:00 – Workforce rebuilding after COVID-19 31:30 – Recruiting Australian paramedics and creating a sustainable workforce 34:30 – Final reflections on prevention, partnerships and the future of EMS Rate and review the EMS One-Stop podcast Enjoying the show? Please take a moment to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts. Contact the EMS One-Stop team at editor@EMS1.com to share ideas, suggestions and feedback. Listen on Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, Spotify and RSS feed.

    Breaking the system to make it stronger

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 3, 2026 35:42


    This week on the EMS One-Stop podcast, Rob Lawrence sits down with emergency management and large-scale exercise expert Mike Marsh to explore what really goes into preparing agencies, communities and public safety partners for major events. With the FIFA World Cup underway, America 250 upon us, and countless local events happening every weekend, the conversation focuses on the practical realities of planning, exercising and pressure-testing emergency response systems before the big day arrives. | MORE: Training hard and fighting easy. Creating an effective tabletop training exercise for pre-planning MCI response Drawing on decades of EMS leadership experience and his current work through Marsh EMS Consulting, Mike shares how agencies can move beyond "grant compliance exercises" and build meaningful operational readiness. From tabletop exercises and ROC drills, to stakeholder coordination, communication failures and after-action reviews, Mike provides a masterclass in how to build resilient systems from the operator up. His central premise is simple: exercises should be designed to break the system in a safe environment so weaknesses can be identified and corrected before a real incident occurs. Whether you're preparing for a World Cup match, a county fair, or simply reviewing your MCI plans, this episode offers practical lessons for agencies of every size. Notable quotes "Our team is hired to break your system and rebuild it together." — Mike Marsh "The scene will be bigger than they are. And it is OK to ask for help." — Mike Marsh "We don't walk in and say, 'You don't understand ICS.' Actually, you do understand ICS, you just don't know that you're using it." — Mike Marsh "Identifying and learning are two different activities; and they have to be cemented in." — Rob Lawrence "Trust your people, know that you can't do it all, get a team together, train them, drill them, pressure them." — Mike Marsh "Prior preparation and planning prevents pathetic performance." — Rob Lawrence | MORE: 5 lessons for special events standby services and emergency response Episode timeline 00:00 – Introduction and why major events require planning, exercises and preparation 02:25 – Mike's journey from California EMS leadership to emergency management consulting in Texas 04:53 – The biggest misconceptions about exercises and tabletop planning 06:30 – What frontline EMTs and supervisors need to know when the incident is bigger than they are 08:07 – The first questions Mike asks when planning a major event 10:13 – Communication, stakeholder engagement and identifying operational gaps 12:16 – Translating ICS and NIMS concepts into practical operational language 17:08 – Planning a county fair exercise: where to start and why capability gaps matter 19:46 – Who should be at the planning table and why executive participation matters 21:23 – The role of public works, politicians, emergency managers and public information officers 22:29 – The best and worst exercises Mike has ever experienced 25:29 – How to challenge leaders who believe their plans don't need testing 28:01 – Exercise planning for small and rural systems with limited resources 30:22 – After-action reviews and turning lessons identified into lessons learned 32:11 – Advice for agencies that have never exercised their plans before 33:54 – Mike's biggest leadership lesson from a career in EMS and emergency management Rate and review the EMS One-Stop podcast Enjoying the show? Email editor@EMS1.com to share ideas, suggestions and feedback.

    Pinnacle 2026 preview: Leadership, retention, AI and the future of EMS

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 26, 2026 35:29


    The countdown to Pinnacle is on. Returning this year to San Diego from July 13-16, Pinnacle remains one of the most influential leadership and management conferences in EMS. Now entering its 22nd year, the event continues to attract executives, clinical leaders, innovators, educators and industry partners who gather not simply to learn, but to debate, challenge assumptions and shape the future direction of EMS. EMS1 is proud to be the premier media partner of Pinnacle. | MORE: What Paramedics Want in 2026: Bookmark this page to get your copy Joining EMS One-Stop this week is Anthony Minge, senior partner at Fitch & Associates and one of the driving forces behind Pinnacle. Anthony previews the major themes emerging this year, including workforce retention, leadership development, burnout and wellness, preparedness, artificial intelligence, blood delivery, drone technology and the ever-popular What Paramedics Want report. Throughout the discussion, Anthony emphasizes that Pinnacle's value extends beyond the classroom. The real learning often happens in the conversations between sessions, over meals and among peers facing the same challenges across the country. The conversation explores why retention has overtaken recruitment as EMS's primary workforce concern, how leaders must take greater responsibility for organizational culture, and why emerging technologies such as AI and drone-delivered medical supplies are changing the profession faster than many realize. Anthony also offers a preview of keynote speakers, including preparedness expert and author William Forstchen, and highlights sessions covering leadership, resilience, operational excellence, workforce wellness and healthcare innovation. As always, Pinnacle promises to deliver practical takeaways, provocative discussions, and the opportunity to connect with some of the brightest minds in EMS. Key quotes "If we can keep our people, we don't need to spend as much time trying to replace them." "People don't leave organizations, they leave managers." "Burnout is still too high. One suicide is way too many." "We can't push it into the dark corners of our organizations and just hope it goes away." "AI is here to stay. It's going to help us. It's going to do some great things." "It is never meant to replace this computer right here." "We practice healthcare. We practice extremely innovative healthcare out there." "It's amazing the things that are happening out there." "Good leaders share." "Being responsible leaders is probably one of our largest challenges." Additional resources Pinnacle EMS 2026: Conference information, agenda details, speakers and registration Conference dates: July 13-16, 2026 Location: Sheraton San Diego Resort Pinnacle Early Bird Offer: provide the code “EMS26”. This gives early-bird offer provides $100 off the current/regular price What Paramedics Want: 2026 Report debuts July 13, 2026 William Forstchen's books Episode timeline 03:00 – The major themes of Pinnacle 2026. Discussion of retention, leadership, financial sustainability, workforce wellness, preparedness, AI and emerging technologies. 06:30 – Recruitment vs. retention. Why keeping employees has become more important than finding new ones and how organizations can build careers rather than simply fill vacancies. 08:15 – Leadership beyond operations. The role of leadership in employee engagement, succession planning, data-driven decision-making and lessons from Matthew McConaughey's book Greenlights. 11:00 – Burnout, wellness and resilience. Why burnout remains a major challenge for EMS and how leaders must confront it rather than ignore it. 13:00 – Preparedness for the next crisis. A preview of keynote speaker William Forstchen and discussions around resilience, disaster readiness and planning for both natural and man-made events. 19:00 – AI Comes to EMS. Anthony discusses the opportunities and risks associated with artificial intelligence, from documentation and CAD integration, to clinical decision support. 24:00 – Blood, drones and clinical innovation. A look at how blood products, AEDs, naloxone and other critical supplies are increasingly being delivered through innovative technologies, including drones. 29:00 – What Paramedics Want in 2026. A preview of the latest survey findings and the issues currently weighing most heavily on the minds of EMS professionals. 30:00 – Why Pinnacle matters. Anthony explains why networking, relationship building and peer-to-peer learning remain among the conference's greatest strengths. 32:00 – The conversation EMS needs to have. Anthony identifies leadership responsibility and accountability as one of the most important — and often avoided — topics facing EMS today. Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    Policy, payment reform and why EMS must engage

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 18, 2026 34:45


    At a time when EMS reimbursement faces unprecedented scrutiny and pressure, Shawn Baird joins the EMS One-Stop podcast to explain what is happening in Washington, D.C., why it matters to every ambulance service in America and what EMS leaders can do about it. | MORE: When the spreadsheet meets the siren: How CMS's Proposed GEMT Rule could reshape EMS funding A former Paramedic, ambulance service owner, CEO, American Ambulance Association resident, and now Vice President of Government Affairs for the AAA, Baird brings a unique perspective that spans frontline care, operations and national advocacy. In this episode, Rob Lawrence and Baird unpack the growing threats to Medicare and Medicaid funding, discuss the proposed changes to Medicaid supplemental payment programs, and explore the work of the National EMS Payment Reform Committee. The conversation also previews the AAA Legislative Fly-In, and highlights efforts to secure EMS workforce funding, streamline military medic transitions into civilian EMS and advance federal fuel tax relief. Most importantly, Baird delivers a clear message: EMS professionals must tell their story, engage with elected officials and advocate for the future of mobile healthcare. This episode serves as both an explainer and a call to action. As federal policymakers debate Medicaid funding, EMS reimbursement, workforce development and healthcare spending, Baird makes the case that every EMS professional has a role to play. Whether through legislative fly-ins, ride-alongs, town halls or simply telling the EMS story, advocacy is no longer optional. It is essential to preserving access to emergency medical care in communities across America. Notable quotes "We're hoping to make some proposals for real long-term reform on Medicare that will shore up the EMS system, not just to survive day to day, but really to thrive." — Shawn Baird "We are more than just a ride. We are mobile healthcare." — Rob Lawrence "We really have not been able to find a lot of data to support a bunch of waste, fraud and abuse in the EMS system. What there is, is a lot of misunderstanding." — Shawn Baird "If we don't get paid ourselves, how can we pay other people? How can we then afford to deliver excellent healthcare to our patients?" — Rob Lawrence "First of all, talk about the patient because the patient is the most important part of this whole discussion; second of all, talk about the medical care you provide because that's what the patient needs." — Shawn Baird "We're the safety net. We're access to critical emergency care in many communities that don't have other healthcare." — Shawn Baird "Probably the most important thing that folks listening to your show can do is attend a town hall and raise your hand and say, 'I'm just worried about our ambulance service.'" — Shawn Baird "We have the greatest story of all to tell." — Shawn Baird Additional resources AAA Advocacy Call to Action – Contact your member of Congress here 2026 Ambulance Ride-Along Toolkit Episode timeline 01:00 – Rob introduces the episode and outlines the challenges facing EMS reimbursement and federal healthcare funding. 02:07 – Shawn Baird's EMS Journey — from paramedic intern at Grady Hospital to rural EMS operator, company owner, AAA president and government affairs leader. 03:00 – Why healthcare reimbursement decisions are increasingly shifting from Washington to state legislatures. 06:45 – The National EMS Payment Reform Committee and the search for long-term solutions to EMS financing. 09:13 – Medicaid, waste, fraud and abuse — understanding misconceptions about EMS reimbursement and why ambulance services are being caught in broader healthcare debates. 11:33 – EMS is more than transportation — reframing EMS as healthcare first, transportation second. 13:20 – The threat to Medicaid supplemental funding — provider taxes, GEMT programs and proposed federal changes that could impact ambulance services nationwide. 15:15 – Proposed CMS rule changes — why EMS leaders are concerned about being included in Medicaid funding reductions. 17:40 - How national EMS organizations are coordinating efforts to speak with one voice. 20:08 – The AAA Legislative Fly-In — what it is, how it works and why provider participation matters. 21:45 – Federal legislative priorities — EMS workforce development funding, military medic-to-civilian certification pathways and federal fuel tax relief for ambulance services. 26:50 – How EMS providers can engage when legislation is moving. 27:40 – The importance of local advocacy — town halls, community events and direct engagement with elected officials. 29:30 – Ride-alongs as an advocacy tool — why seeing EMS firsthand changes policymakers' perspectives. 32:00 – Final thoughts — politics is ultimately about relationships, storytelling and helping decision-makers understand EMS. Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback.

    Johnny and Roy inspired a generation. Now they're telling EMS's toughest truths

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 12, 2026 41:22


    What happens when the stars of the television series that introduced America to paramedicine decide it's time to tell the real story? In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence is joined by EMS pioneer Dr. Baxter Larmon and award-winning filmmaker Tom Putnam to discuss Into the Unknown: The Paramedics' Journey. | MORE: ‘Emergency!' stars launch Kickstarter campaign to expand reach of paramedic documentary, “Into the Unknown,” backed by Steve Buscemi, Randolph Mantooth and Kevin Tighe Born from the vision of Emergency! stars Randolph Mantooth and Kevin Tighe, and backed by Steve Buscemi, the documentary follows paramedics, dispatchers, volunteers, flight crews and their families across America, revealing the realities of modern EMS. From Baton Rouge to Sparks, from volunteer rescue squads in Virginia, to helicopter rescue teams in California, the film explores not only what paramedics do, but what the job does to them. The conversation examines workforce shortages, mental health, resilience, public misunderstanding of EMS, and the role the film could play in educating communities, policymakers and future generations. The episode also explores the documentary's Kickstarter campaign and plans for worldwide release. If Emergency! introduced America to paramedics 50 years ago, Into the Unknown seeks to explain the people behind the uniform. Notable quotes "One of the things that I'm probably most proud about in the movie is that these first responders are now allowing their family members and their friends to be able to see what they go through every single day." — Dr. Baxter Larmon "The call volume, I mean, they used to sit in the station, they'd joke in the station, they'd eat, they'd have dinner, they'd complete their whole dinner and they would never get a call. That just doesn't happen anymore." — Dr. Baxter Larmon "Our fourth goal is to get recognition by governmental agencies to understand what EMS is, to be able to recognize its importance in the community, but more importantly, to fund it appropriately as well." — Dr. Baxter Larmon "I honestly had no idea what I was getting into with this and how intense the personal interactions were gonna be." — Tom Putnam "By the time that particular run was over, I just think I was wide-eyed and said, wow, we're making a war movie." — Tom Putnam "For the right person, this is the best job in the world." — Tom Putnam Episode timeline 00:00 – Trailer and opening montage 01:41 – Rob introduces the episode and guests 03:18 – The origin story of Into the Unknown 05:13 – The lasting impact of Emergency! on EMS and what story the documentary is trying to tell 08:32 – Tom explains why he said “yes” immediately 10:52 – The first EMS call filmed and realizing the scale of the project 12:15 – Locations featured in the documentary 16:22 – How EMS has changed since Johnny Gage and Roy DeSoto 17:54 – Stories that surprised Tom most 20:15 – The emotional burden of the profession 22:40 – Calls Tom "can't unsee" 24:00 – EMS as the safety net for society 25:07 – Burnout, resilience and humanity 27:30 – Why families need to see this film 28:06 – Why the project launched a Kickstarter campaign, funding goals and distribution plans 33:30 – Using the film as an EMS advocacy tool 35:43 – Lightning round 38:03 – Why EMS might be the best job in the world 39:05 – Dr. Richard Carmona's role in the film 40:16 – Final thoughts and call to action Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    Blood on Board: The second chance that changed everything

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 4, 2026 30:46


    In Episode 4 of the EMS One-Stop Blood on Board Series, host Rob Lawrence brings together two powerful perspectives on prehospital blood transfusion. First, retired Army trauma nurse and national blood advocate Randi Schaefer discusses the work of the Prehospital Blood Transfusion Initiative Coalition and the ongoing effort to remove barriers to blood product availability across the United States. Drawing on lessons learned from military deployments and civilian implementation efforts, Schaefer explains why successful blood programs require collaboration among EMS agencies, hospitals, blood banks, legislators and funding partners. She emphasizes that while every system is different, the goal remains the same: getting lifesaving blood to patients before they reach the hospital. The second half of the episode focuses on the story behind the statistics. Dr. Kate Krause, an emergency physician from Dallas, recounts her near-fatal postpartum hemorrhage just weeks after giving birth to her daughter. After she lost more than two liters of blood at home, Dallas Fire-Rescue paramedics recognized the severity of her condition and secured authorization to administer prehospital blood. That decision, combined with rapid transport and seamless hospital coordination, helped save her life. Today, fully recovered and back to practicing medicine, Dr. Krause has become a compelling advocate for prehospital blood programs, reminding policymakers and EMS leaders that behind every protocol, funding request and unit of blood is a patient whose future depends on receiving the right treatment at the right time. Previous Blood on Board episodes: Blood on Board: Everything is bigger in Texas Blood on board: Lessons from Sacramento and LA County Fire Blood on Board: Federal funding paves the way for EMS blood programs Impactful quotes "I had a severe postpartum hemorrhage and had my life saved by a prehospital blood transfusion." — Dr. Kate Krause "I'm here. I have no deficits. I'm healthy. I'm back to being a physician. I'm back to being a wife and being a mother to my beautiful little baby girl." — Dr. Kate Krause "The coalition wants to make blood products available to those EMS agencies that want to carry them."  — Randi Schaefer "This is a brand-new relationship. So there's a lot of learning how each other's worlds work." — Randi Schaefer "We were not going to let people die of preventable death." — Randi Schaefer "Keep pressing forward. We will find a way to yes." — Randi Schaefer "Blood is one of those things that really makes a difference when it's given early." — Dr. Kate Krause Additional resources Prehospital Blood Transfusion Coalition Episode timeline 00:00 – Introduction to Episode 4 and recap of the Blood on Board series and overview of previous episodes covering local, state and national blood initiatives. 02:18 – Introduction of Randi Schaefer and Dr. Kate Krause. Schaefer discusses military deployments and early blood program experiences, while Dr. Krause outlines her journey from lifeguard, to EMT, to emergency physician. 05:05 – Origins and mission of the Prehospital Blood Transfusion Initiative Coalition, military lessons learned, funding challenges, sustainability concerns, the importance of legislative support and reimbursement 13:57 – Dr. Krause recounts her postpartum hemorrhage. 19:03 – Discussion of non-trauma indications for prehospital blood and the importance of medic judgment and protocol flexibility 20:22 – Dr. Krause discusses recovery and advocacy efforts, and Dallas City Council appearance and public awareness activities. 24:24 – Dr. Krause delivers a concise advocacy message supporting blood programs nationwide. 25:01 – Schaefer reflects on meeting blood recipients and the impact of seeing survivorship firsthand. 27:47 – Closing remarks from Dr. Krause and Schaefer 29:03 – Lawrence wraps up the four-part Blood on Board series and reinforces the need for continued advocacy and funding. This episode is sponsored by Triad of Life. After traumatic injury, patients may enter the “Triad of Death” — a dangerous cycle of hypothermia, acidosis, and coagulopathy that can rapidly lead to fatal outcomes without timely intervention. That's why Delta Development Team partners with Qinflow and Lifeflow to combat these life-threatening conditions with the Triad of Life. Learn how your team can put the Triad of Life into practice. Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    Blood on Board: Everything is bigger in Texas

    Play Episode Listen Later May 28, 2026 46:18


    Texas is taking prehospital whole blood to scale. In this second installment of the Blood on Board series, the conversation moves from pioneering local programs to a statewide initiative backed by legislation, trauma system collaboration and a $10 million investment in EMS blood capability. Host Rob Lawrence welcomes Dr. Jeff Jarvis, chief medical officer and system medical director, Fort Worth Office of the Medical Director; Dr. C.J. Winckler, deputy medical director for the San Antonio Fire Department; and Jorie Klein, director of EMS-Trauma Systems Section, Texas Department of State Health Services. From San Antonio's early adoption to Fort Worth's operational maturity and the Texas Department of State Health Services' statewide rollout, this episode examines how Texas built one of the most ambitious prehospital blood programs in the country. The discussion goes beyond clinical theory. The guests tackle implementation, logistics, blood stewardship, wastage concerns, rural access, legislative strategy and the realities of getting physicians, transfusion medicine specialists, EMS leaders and lawmakers aligned around a shared mission. The episode also explores the expanding use of whole blood beyond trauma, including GI bleeds, obstetrics and surgical hemorrhage, while reinforcing the operational mantra repeated throughout the show: systems save lives. | MORE: Blood on board: Lessons from Sacramento and LA County Fire Impactful quotes “You can't quarterback it from your office. You have to be engaged and be out there with them.” — Jorie Klein “Little did I know that it would take almost every waking minute of my life to get blood on an ambulance.” — Dr. C.J. Winckler “We're not improving overall mortality yet, but we are improving mortality in the first six hours.” — Dr. C.J. Winckler “When you work together as a system, you can do amazing things.” — Dr. Jeff Jarvis “In the last 13 months, we've given 259 units to 211 patients.” — Dr. Jeff Jarvis “Our definition of wastage is anything that doesn't go into a patient.” — Dr. Jeff Jarvisv “It turns out this stuff works.” — Dr. Jeff Jarvis “It's all about communication and trust.” — Dr. C.J. Winckler “Five years ago, we knew those patients would not survive. Now we have new tools.” — Jorie Klein “My dad was saved by prehospital whole blood.” — Dr. C.J. Winckler “Talk to the clinicians who are giving this blood and ask them about the impact it's making.” — Dr. Jeff Jarvis Episode timeline 00:00 – Opening message. Jorie Klein outlines the central lesson for other states: engage frontline providers and avoid managing programs remotely. 00:40 – Introduction. Rob Lawrence introduces Episode 2 of the Blood on Board series, shifting focus from local systems to statewide implementation in Texas. 01:20 – Meet the guests. Jorie Klein, Dr. Jeff Jarvis and Dr. C.J. Winckler introduce themselves and their roles in Texas EMS and trauma care. 03:22 – The San Antonio origin story Dr. Winckler explains how military medicine, trauma surgeons and Texas delegated medical practice helped launch San Antonio's whole blood program. 06:04 – Building the first protocols. Dr. Winckler discusses creating guidelines from scratch, operationalizing blood administration and securing funding support from city leadership. 08:52 – Going system-wide. San Antonio launches whole blood citywide in October 2018 without a pilot project. 10:13 – Ethics and evidence. Discussion shifts to mortality data, prehospital physiology and whether balanced blood resuscitation should already be considered standard of care. 12:14 – Fort Worth follows. Dr. Jarvis explains how San Antonio's system inspired adoption in Fort Worth and highlights the importance of regional collaboration. 14:03 – Texas goes statewide. Klein explains the legislative process that resulted in a $10 million statewide prehospital whole blood initiative. 17:24 – Rural Texas and blood access. The conversation focuses on plasma options, rural hospital shortages and improving access for remote communities. 23:45 – The data discussion. Dr. Jarvis shares Fort Worth operational metrics, transfusion volumes and remarkably low wastage rates. 28:49 – Whole Blood Academy. Drs. Jarvis and Winckler discuss the National Whole Blood Academy and how Texas is teaching other EMS systems to replicate their success. 32:00 – Trust, logistics and blood stewardship. Dr. Winckler explains the importance of relationships between EMS and transfusion medicine physicians, emphasizing operational discipline and trust. 36:20 – What comes next? Dr. Klein discusses statewide reporting, future funding requests and sustaining the Texas model long term. 40:15 – Final lessons for other states. The guests close with advice on advocacy, clinician engagement and building support from the ground up. Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    Blood on Board: Federal funding paves the way for EMS blood programs

    Play Episode Listen Later May 28, 2026 42:39


    The EMS One-Stop Blood on Board series moves to the federal level in Episode 3, exploring how the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Safe Streets and Roads for All (SS4A) grant program is opening new funding pathways for prehospital blood programs. Host Rob Lawrence is joined by three leaders directly involved in building regional blood capability through federal funding. Julie Stilley, PhD, is an EMS researcher at the University of Missouri, whose team secured a $4.6 million SS4A demonstration grant focused on advanced post-crash care, including prehospital blood administration. Jason White represents the Mid-America Regional Council in Kansas City, a multi-jurisdictional regional planning organization coordinating EMS, trauma systems, hospitals and transportation partners around a regional whole blood strategy. Mark Heath is chief of EMS for the Kansas City Kansas Fire Department and one of the operational leaders preparing to launch whole blood in the field as part of the Kansas City regional effort. Rather than focusing solely on clinical practice, this episode examines the realities of applying for, winning and administering federal grant funding. The guests discuss building regional coalitions, engaging blood banks, developing standardized protocols, navigating compliance requirements and preparing operational rollouts. From Missouri's $4.6 million demonstration grant, to Kansas City's regional planning initiative, this episode provides a practical roadmap for EMS leaders looking to transform roadway safety funding into lifesaving trauma care capability. Watch episode 1: Blood on Board: Lessons from Sacramento and LA County Fire Watch episode 2: Blood on Board: Everything is bigger in Texas Impactful quotes “Don't be afraid of applying for a big, scary federal grant.” — Mark Heath “EMS is the perfect partner to try to understand how to address the post-crash care component of a safety action plan.” — Julie Stilley “If you're going to do it as a region, you've got to hang together.” — Jason White “The data points on the backside will set you free.” — Mark Heath “If my blood is closer to the next address over, just because there's a river in the way doesn't mean we can't get across the bridge.” — Mark Heath “What started initially as an absolute ‘no' became, ‘Wait, let me listen to you some more.'” — Julie Stilley “The juice is worth the squeeze.” — Rob Lawrence “Firefighters and EMS are cowboys, and blood banks are accountants.” — Mark Heath “Cowboys do marry accountants.” — Jason White “Run, don't walk, to your local blood bank.” — Mark Heath “It's your blood in your community and going into you on your ambulances.” — Mark Heath “We're moving toward reducing mortality and reducing long-term injury.” — Julie Stilley Additional resources Safe Streets and Roads for All (SS4A) Grant Program | US Department of Transportation NHTSA's Office of Emergency Medical Services | EMS.gov Accessing the Safe Streets and Roads for All EMS grant program Researchers receive $4.6 million to pilot advanced EMS response program Episode timeline 00:00 – “Free money is free money”. Chief Mark Heath opens with encouragement for agencies considering federal grant applications and urges smaller communities not to be intimidated by the process. 00:44 – Introduction to Episode 3. Rob Lawrence recaps Episodes 1 and 2 of the Blood on Board series before introducing the SS4A grant focus and the featured guests. 02:07 – Meet the guests. Julie Stilley introduces her role at the University of Missouri and reveals her project's $4.6 million award. Jason White and Mark Heath outline the Kansas City regional collaboration. 04:19 – Why apply for SS4A? Julie Stilley explains how frustration around operational barriers to blood implementation motivated her grant application. 05:38 – Understanding demonstration grants. Discussion on the difference between planning and demonstration grants, and how post-crash care fits into regional traffic safety action plans. 06:51 – Building regional coalitions. Jason White discusses Kansas City's existing regional EMS partnerships and how those relationships became the foundation for the grant application. 10:30 – Regional protocols and data. Mark Heath explains how Kansas City agencies standardized protocols, agreed on shared data points and committed to a coordinated regional approach. 13:04 – Pulling together the application. Julie Stilley outlines the process of bringing together planners, EMS leaders, trauma centers and blood banks to support the grant proposal. 15:02 – Equipment, compliance and logistics. Discussion shifts to blood warmers, storage systems, chain-of-custody monitoring and the operational realities of safely carrying blood products in the field. 18:25 – Planning grants and future implementation. Jason White explains how the Kansas City effort uses a planning grant to build toward larger implementation funding opportunities. 23:22 – Busting myths about blood. Mark Heath describes how data and national experience changed his thinking about whether whole blood matters in urban EMS systems with short transport times. 27:19 – The reality of grant administration. Julie Stilley and Jason White explain federal reimbursement structures, compliance requirements and why strong administrative partners are essential. 31:37 – Sustainability and reimbursement. Discussion on long-term funding, legislative advocacy and the need for reimbursement models for prehospital blood administration. 33:43 – Final lessons learned. The guests share advice on partnerships, blood bank relationships, data collection and not being afraid of “big scary federal grants.” Rate and review the EMS One-Stop podcast Enjoying the show? Please take a moment to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts. Contact the EMS One-Stop team at editor@EMS1.com to share ideas, suggestions and feedback. Listen on Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, Spotify and RSS feed. About the sponsor After traumatic injury, patients may enter the “Triad of Death” — a dangerous cycle of hypothermia, acidosis, and coagulopathy that can rapidly lead to fatal outcomes without timely intervention. That's why Delta Development Team partners with Qinflow and Lifeflow to combat these life-threatening conditions with the Triad of Life. To learn how your team can put the Triad of Life into practice visit the link to get started.

    Blood on board: Lessons from Sacramento and LA County Fire

    Play Episode Listen Later May 14, 2026 45:29


    EMS systems can safely deliver blood in the field, and when they do, patients who would otherwise die are surviving Whole blood in the field is no longer theoretical; it is operational, measurable and increasingly expected. In this EMS One-Stop episode, host Rob Lawrence brings together two of California's leading medical directors — Drs. Clayton Kazan and Kevin Mackey — to compare and contrast their prehospital blood programs. From concept to deployment, both systems demonstrate how data, relationships and persistence can translate innovation into lives saved. This discussion goes beyond theory. It addresses real-world barriers — regulation, blood bank skepticism, funding gaps — and pairs them with practical solutions. The result is a clear message: EMS systems can safely deliver blood in the field, and when they do, patients who would otherwise die are surviving. For agencies considering similar programs, this episode provides a roadmap grounded in experience, outcomes and operational reality. Notable quotes “When there's someone who wants to see your program, talk about your program.” — Kevin Mackey “I kind of never believed it really possible to put it on a paramedic truck until I saw what the military was able to do.” — Clayton Kazan “If the five minutes matter, why wouldn't we want to do it 5, 10, 15, 20 minutes sooner?” — Clayton Kazan “Never say ‘no,' never say ‘die.'” — Kevin Mackey “They're never tired of trying to find new ways to save people's lives.” — Clayton Kazan Episode timeline 00:00 – Opening message. “Never say ‘no,' never say ‘die'” sets the tone for program development and persistence 01:00 – Series introduction. Rob frames the episode as part of a broader national discussion on blood in EMS 02:00 – Guest introductions. Dr. Kazan and Dr. Mackey outline their EMS and medical backgrounds 03:20 – Program overviews. LA County: April 2025 launch, 11 squads, 58 transfusions; Sacramento: December 2025 launch after 15-month build 05:20 – Origins and catalysts. Influence from San Antonio and New Orleans programs; leadership support as a trigger 07:00 – Military influence. Translation of battlefield success into civilian EMS feasibility 08:50 – Building the business case. Data-driven forecasting using ePCR systems 11:00 – Overcoming resistance. Regulatory hurdles, skepticism and blood bank concerns 15:00 – Survivor stories. Real-world saves that validate the programs and influence policymakers 18:00 – Funding realities. Grant-based models, no current reimbursement, cost-benefit framed in life-years saved 21:45 – Equipment and logistics. Cold chain, monitoring systems, delivery devices and operational considerations 24:40 – Training and deployment. Targeted rollout using heat maps and trauma incidence data 27:45 – Early challenges. Blood recirculation, cold chain validation and system integration issues 31:50 – QA/QI and research. 100% case review and participation in multi-county data collaboratives 34:10 – Patient populations. Primarily trauma, with emerging medical indications 36:00 – Sustainability and scaling. Political engagement and expansion planning 38:15 – Rapid fire lessons learned. Transparency, persistence, relationships 42:50 – Myths and realities. Frontline providers embrace innovation; capability concerns disproven 44:00 – Final takeaways. Appreciation, relationships and system-wide collaboration as keys to success Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    Special report: Andes Hantavirus risk assessment

    Play Episode Listen Later May 13, 2026 16:44


    In this special EMS One-Stop update, Rob Lawrence is joined by returning guest Dr. Alex Isakov to break down the rapidly developing Andes Hantavirus outbreak linked to the expedition cruise ship MV Hondius. What began as a handful of unexplained respiratory illnesses aboard a South Atlantic voyage has evolved into an internationally monitored infectious disease event involving multiple countries, quarantine operations, public health investigations and the repatriation of exposed passengers to specialized containment facilities in the United States. | MORE: Hantavirus outbreak aboard cruise ship sends Americans to biocontainment quarantine units Dr. Isakov is professor of emergency medicine at Emory University School of Medicine and executive director of the Emory Office of Critical Event Preparedness and Response (CEPAR). He also serves as EMS lead for the National Emerging Special Pathogens Training and Education Center (NETEC), where he helps lead national preparedness efforts for high-consequence infectious diseases. In the episode, he explains how Andes Hantavirus differs from other hantaviruses already present in North America because it is capable of person-to-person transmission in limited circumstances. The discussion covers transmission dynamics, incubation periods, PPE recommendations, public health monitoring and why experts continue to assess the overall public risk as low. Listeners are also directed toward the excellent educational resource hub on preparedness and response available through NETEC Hantavirus Resources. Episode timeline 00:00 – Introduction to the Special Edition. Rob Lawrence introduces the emergency update format and welcomes Dr. Alex Isakov to discuss the emerging Andes Hantavirus outbreak. 00:50 – Understanding hantaviruses. Dr. Isakov explains the difference between common North American hantaviruses and Andes Virus, emphasizing the rare person-to-person transmission capability. 03:13 – The cruise ship incident. Discussion of the outbreak aboard the MV Hondius, including onboard transmission concerns, severe illness development and international evacuation efforts. 05:16 – U.S. monitoring and quarantine. Review of quarantine operations in Nebraska and ongoing public health monitoring of exposed American passengers. 07:21 – Incubation and EMS risk assessment. Dr. Isakov outlines the prolonged incubation period and explains why frontline EMS encounters remain unlikely. 11:17 – PPE guidance for EMS personnel. Specific PPE recommendations are reviewed, including standard, contact and airborne precautions with eye protection. 13:17 – Looking ahead to World Cup 2026. The discussion turns to international travel, mass gatherings and why clinicians must maintain awareness of rare infectious diseases tied to travel history. 14:32 – EMS and public health resources. Dr. Isakov directs listeners to CDC, WHO and NETEC resources for ongoing guidance and EMS-specific updates.

    Mind the gap: Data, disparities and the future of EMS

    Play Episode Listen Later May 8, 2026 40:35


    In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence sits down with Tanir Ami of the CARESTAR Foundation to explore a subject that is increasingly central to the future of EMS: equity, data and system design. Born from the legacy of CalSTAR, CARESTAR has evolved into a philanthropic engine focused on improving EMS through research, convening and targeted investment. Ami brings a 25-year background in community health, grounded in service to underserved populations, and applies that experience to a sector that is only now beginning to fully interrogate disparities in care and outcomes. The conversation moves beyond theory into practical reality. From disparities in pain management and pediatric restraint use, to the challenges of fragmented EMS systems and the slow pace of statewide change, Ami outlines both what is known and what remains uncertain. The throughline is clear: data must be collected, interrogated and acted upon. CARESTAR's work sits at the intersection of research and action, funding studies, building infrastructure, and creating space for difficult but necessary conversations. For EMS leaders, the message is direct and national in scope: examine your data, stay curious and be prepared to confront what it reveals. Key quotes “The data show that there are differences not only in how people are treated, but on the back end and the outcomes that they experience.” — Tanir Ami “Particularly Black girls were four times as likely to be physically restrained as any of their counterparts.” — Tanir Ami “Stay open-minded and open-hearted about what it is, the type of conversation that we're trying to have.” — Tanir Ami “We really come at it holding the clinicians who are out working at the front lines of EMS in incredibly high regard, and also simultaneously wanting to talk about how and where and what the challenges are.” — Tanir Ami “Just collecting those numbers and sending them off … is not the end of the game.” — Rob Lawrence “We had a section of the city … almost a desert of non-911 calls and we realized that was our Latino community. We worked with them to promote the fact that we're not ICE … we want to assist you in your emergency. Through that process, we closed off that desert.” — Rob Lawrence Additional resources CARESTAR Seeding innovation and racial equity in EMS. Tanir Ami, CEO of California's CARESTAR Foundation on diversifying the prehospital care workforce and improving health outcomes Beyond policy: EMS's moral duty to deliver equitable care. “Our commitment to take care of others is not a political undertaking; it represents the greatest of social contracts in helping our fellow humans in their time of need.” Improving equity in prehospital care. Despite the best efforts of EMS providers, gaps persist – learn what goes into them and what you can do about them Rainn Wilson on ‘Code 3' and the brutal beauty of EMS life. From emotional trauma to gallows humor, Wilson reflects on his new role as a burned-out medic — and why “Code 3” is a tribute to the heart of paramedicine Rate and review the EMS One-Stop podcast Enjoying the show? Please take a moment to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts. Contact the EMS One-Stop team at editor@EMS1.com to share ideas, suggestions and feedback. Listen on Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, Spotify and RSS feed. About the sponsor This episode of the EMS One-Stop Podcast is sponsored by the 7th Annual EMS Leadership Summit. Learn from over 25 prehospital leaders from around the world sharing real-world strategies to reduce burnout, improve retention and build stronger organizations. Get your free pass at EMSLeadershipSummit.com/EMS1. Episode timeline 01:00 – Tanir Ami outlines her 25-year healthcare career and explains the transition from CARESTAR to the CARESTAR Foundation. 04:30 – Discussion of disparities in care and outcomes, and the complexity of addressing systemic inequities. 08:00 – Insights into disparities in pain management and pediatric restraint use, with examples from UC Berkeley and UCSF studies. 11:30 – Focus on building momentum, creating safe spaces for discussion and balancing research with implementation. 15:45 – Overview of CARESTAR funding priorities, including community conversations, behavioral health integration and pilot programs. 20:30 – Exploration of regulatory fragmentation and the challenges of statewide EMS coordination. 25:00 – Call for EMS leaders nationwide to interrogate their own data and remain open to findings. 30:00 – Emphasis on localized interventions and the absence of one-size-fits-all solutions. 35:00 – Tanir reinforces optimism and momentum, leaving listeners with a clear challenge: examine, understand and act on their data. About CARESTAR The CARESTAR Foundation is a California-based philanthropic organization dedicated to improving emergency medical services through research, innovation, and system-wide collaboration. Established in 2018 following the sale of the CalSTAR air ambulance program, the foundation was created to honor that legacy by advancing quality, integrity and equitable care across the EMS spectrum. Under the leadership of Tanir Ami, CARESTAR focuses on identifying and addressing disparities in prehospital care, funding research into EMS practices and outcomes, and convening stakeholders to drive meaningful change. Its work emphasizes the use of data to uncover gaps in treatment, supports community-driven solutions, and invests in initiatives that strengthen both the workforce and the systems that serve diverse populations.

    ‘Culture eats strategy': Rebuilding an EMS system from the ground up

    Play Episode Listen Later May 8, 2026 29:06


    In this episode of the Inside EMS podcast, host Chris Cebollero shares why he left the consulting and community paramedicine world to become chief of EMS and COO for EMS Team in Dayton, Ohio — a growing multi-state agency with “visions of world dominance.” The conversation digs deep into servant leadership, workforce buy-in and the balance between supporting crews while still holding the line on professionalism and performance. Chris also lays out his vision for creating a sustainable culture built on accountability, engagement and shared ownership. It's equal parts leadership seminar, war story and reality check for anyone who's ever tried to fix a fractured EMS system. Additional resources: How to lead without being that boss Leadership lessons: How to turn failure into growth Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    When systems hesitate, they deploy: The rogue air crews who faced Ebola head-on

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 30, 2026 39:15


    In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence sits down with Kevin Hazzard to explore No One's Coming, a gripping account of the 2014 Ebola outbreak and the extraordinary effort to rescue infected American aid workers from West Africa. |WATCH NOW: FDNY's future: AI, BWCs and pay parity with Commissioner Lillian Bonsignore  What begins as a seemingly impossible mission evolved into a high-stakes, time-critical operation led by Phoenix Air — a team known for taking on the missions no one else will. Hazzard traces the origins of this unconventional organization, from transporting explosives and nuclear materials, to pioneering aeromedical evacuation of the world's most dangerous infectious patients. The conversation moves beyond storytelling into operational reality. With no established protocols, limited knowledge of Ebola and widespread public fear, crews were forced to improvise, adapt and execute under intense pressure. The episode examines the intersection of EMS readiness, public health hesitation and leadership under uncertainty. At its core, this is a study in preparation, risk tolerance and professional duty — illustrating how a small group of individuals stepped forward when systems hesitated, reinforcing the enduring EMS principle: when the call comes, you answer. Key quotes from Kevin Hazzard “This is as scary as it gets.” “It is the largest and deadliest Ebola outbreak in human history.” “We've got to figure out how to transport highly contagious patients — nobody does that.” “They risked their lives. They risked their families' lives for strangers.” “Preparation is the most important thing.” “We are notoriously short-minded … we're not long-range thinkers.” “There are people out there who are willing to step into the breach when needed.” Episode timeline 00:00 – Opening context: Ebola outbreak severity and mission stakes 01:00 – Introducing Kevin Hazzard, author background 03:30 – Origins and evolution of Phoenix Air 08:00 – High-risk missions (including Libya nuclear extraction) 14:30 – Transition to EMS and infectious disease transport 16:00 – Development of the biocontainment system 20:00 – Ebola mission planning and execution challenges 27:00 – U.S. reception, EMS transport and public reaction 31:00 – Leadership lessons and EMS preparedness gaps 35:00 – Reflections on readiness, resilience and future threats Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    Reality check: How close does TV get to real EMS?

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 24, 2026 32:48


    This week on Inside EMS, it's a no-holds-barred breakdown of HBO's The Pitt — and surprisingly, it earns a solid thumbs up from the field. The show nails the feel of emergency medicine: nonstop chaos, overlapping patients and that mental grind that never lets up. The set, the medicine and the team dynamics all hit close enough to make even seasoned providers nod along. But let's not pretend it's perfect. The guys call out the usual TV sins — compressed timelines, back-to-back disasters and docs who never miss on the first try. But, there is a botched 12-lead that sparks a real-world debate about electrode placement, patient modesty and doing the job right when it matters most. Where The Pitt really shines? The emotional weight. Burnout, breaking points and the slow unraveling that comes with the job — it's all there, and it hits hard. Have you watched the show? What are your thoughts? Let us know in the comment field below. Quotable takeaways “At some point you're so saturated by fear and emotion and being strong through somebody else's grief and trying to be on 24/7, you can't afford a bad moment.” “I think they do a great job of displaying the emotional toll that a career in medicine takes on the people who practice it.” Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    ‘Hydraulic debriefing:' Alcohol, stress, and the hidden culture of EMS

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 23, 2026 30:40


    In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence sits down with Dr. Maria Koeppel to explore a topic that has long existed in the shadows of EMS culture — alcohol use among providers. | MORE: First responders and alcohol – how much is too much? Drawing on NIH and FEMA supported research, Koeppel outlines how EMS clinicians may be engaging in higher-risk drinking behaviors than the general population, with patterns influenced by stress, exposure and workplace culture. What emerges is not a story of individual weakness, but one of systemic pressure — where both major traumatic incidents and the accumulation of low-acuity, high-frequency calls contribute to a steady burden of stress that many providers attempt to manage off-duty. The conversation moves beyond statistics into culture, leadership and generational change. Koeppel highlights how traditional “crew bonding” through alcohol — what one participant termed “hydraulic debriefing” — may be giving way to a new, more wellness-focused approach among younger clinicians. At the same time, gaps in education, policy and peer support remain evident across EMS systems. For leaders, the message is clear: alcohol use is not a fringe issue, but a workforce health, safety and performance issue that requires thoughtful engagement, cultural awareness and proactive support structures. Key quotes from Maria Koeppel “Over 50% of firefighters surveyed had binge drank in the last 30 days — about twice the rate of the general population.” “EMS providers tend to drink a little bit more frequently than the general population — and that's tied directly to stress.” “It's not just the big trauma calls — it's the micro-stressors that add up over time.” “A third of clinicians in our sample engaged in high-risk drinking behaviors.” “Younger clinicians are at higher risk — but that risk declines with age as coping mechanisms develop.” “Paramedics are at higher risk than EMTs, likely due to increased responsibility and patient exposure.” “Some described going out after shift as ‘hydraulic debriefing' — using alcohol to process the day.” “Gen Z is driving a more sober culture — they're choosing connection without alcohol.” “Leadership isn't just policy — it's culture, awareness and how you care for your people.” “Alcohol and coping has to be part of the conversation if we care about workforce health and patient safety.” Episode timeline 01:06 – Maria's background: firefighter and researcher 02:24 – Overview of NIH/FEMA research and EMS focus 04:14 – Key findings: stress, frequency of drinking and EMS culture 05:08 – Micro-stressors vs. major trauma calls 06:54 – Risk factors: age, role, education, multiple jobs 10:11 – Culture and “hydraulic debriefing” 11:46 – Fire vs. private EMS cultural differences 14:38 – Generational shift: Gen Z and sober culture 19:24 – Alternative substances and coping trends 21:20 – Leadership roles: policy vs. culture 24:11 – Peer support gaps in EMS 26:41 – Workforce impact: sleep, stress, retention 27:14 – Education gap and need for EMS-specific training 29:11 – Conferences and future research dissemination 30:13 – Episode wrap-up Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    When the job follows you home

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 17, 2026 37:35


    Editor's Note: Suicide is always preventable. If you are having thoughts of suicide or feeling suicidal, please call the National Suicide Prevention Hotline immediately at 988. Remember: You deserve to be supported, and it is never too late to seek help. Speak with someone today. ----more---- This week on Inside EMS, host Kelly Grayson is joined by Texas educator John Puryear as they process the loss of a colleague to suicide — and to confront the uncomfortable truth: the mental health crisis in EMS is years in the making, and awareness alone isn't cutting it. From peer support to fatigue policies, Chris and Jon lay out what actually helps: real conversations in the rig, leadership that prioritizes mental health and seeking professional help. The message is clear: taking care of your mind is operational readiness. And if you're not checking on your partner, you're missing the fight that matters most. Quotable takeaways “I don't think the public understands how much this profession can break you.” “It's not about what's wrong with you, it's what's happened to you.” “Help is a professional strength, not a weakness.” Additional resources: What's your department's suicide prevention plan? How to recognize, help a struggling team member Mental wellness check-ins: What they are and how they help Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    FDNY's future: AI, BWCs and pay parity

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 16, 2026 57:34


    In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence travels to New York City to sit down with Lillian Bonsignore, the 37th Commissioner of the Fire Department of the City of New York (FDNY). A 30-plus year veteran who rose through the ranks of EMS — from EMT in the South Bronx to Chief of EMS and now Commissioner — Bonsignore brings a ground-up understanding of the largest fire-EMS system in the United States. She reflects on stepping into the role as “walking onto a fast-moving train,” immediately confronted with major incidents, severe weather and system pressures, while simultaneously building her leadership team and setting direction for the future. | MORE: ‘We have to right the ship': FDNY commissioner doubles down on EMS pay parity The conversation explores the unique structure of FDNY, where the Commissioner operates as the executive leader “almost like CEO of the company,” while operational command sits with the Chief of Department. Bonsignore is clear-eyed about the scale and demands of the system: over 2.2 million runs annually, with 1.6 million EMS-related, reinforcing her long-held position that EMS must be treated as an essential service with appropriate funding and career pathways. Drawing on her experience leading through the COVID-19 pandemic and responding on Sept. 11, 2001, she emphasizes resilience, communication and presence — being visible in stations, honest with staff and committed to supporting those who “leave their own families behind to go serve a stranger.” Bonsignore also addresses criticism of her appointment directly and without hesitation, framing it as a misunderstanding of the Commissioner's role and the realities of modern emergency response. She underscores that FDNY is both fire and EMS, and that her career — spanning 9/11 response, pandemic leadership and decades of frontline service — positions her to lead the entire enterprise. Looking ahead, she speaks to the need for infrastructure investment, workforce stabilization, mental health support, and the thoughtful adoption of technologies such as AI and body-worn cameras. As FDNY approaches the 25th anniversary of 9/11 and the nation's 250th year, her focus remains clear: support the workforce, strengthen the system, and prepare the department for the next generation of service. Key quotes from Commissioner Bonsignore “Walking into a position like this is like walking onto a fast-moving train.” “I understand the ground level challenges that go on because I lived them.” “The commissioner is the administrative level, almost like CEO of the company.” “We're responding to over 2.2 million runs a year … 1.6 million of those runs are EMS-related runs.” “We have to stabilize our system … it's time that EMS is finally treated as an essential service.” “I will always tell you the truth. You may not like my truth, but I will give it to you.” “The decision of a first responder is to leave their own families behind … to go serve a stranger.” “They are literally your heroes … they will put their lives on the line for you.” Episode timeline 01:10 – First 100 days as Commissioner — “fast-moving train” 02:30 – Career journey and EMS roots shaping leadership 04:30 – Workforce trust, credibility and lived experience 06:30 – Pay parity and EMS as an essential service 09:00 – Structure of FDNY — Commissioner vs. operational command 11:30 – Setting direction and stabilizing the organization 13:30 – Relationship with the Mayor and political leadership 17:30 – Addressing criticism and misconceptions 19:30 – Leading through COVID — scale, innovation, mutual aid 23:30 – Morale, resilience and leadership presence 26:30 – Recruitment and retention challenges 30:30 – AI and future innovation in EMS 32:30 – Behavioral health response and BeHeard program 36:30 – First responder mental health and support systems 38:30 – Violence against EMS and workforce protection 41:00 – Body-worn cameras and transparency 43:30 – 9/11 reflections and legacy 50:30 – Commemoration planning and future outlook Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    Online EMS education: More than just recorded lectures

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 10, 2026 39:57


    This week on the Inside EMS podcast, host Kelly Grayson tags in Texas educator John Puryear for a deep dive into the ever-evolving world of EMS education. What starts with a little sweet tea and Southern storytelling quickly turns into a masterclass on how to actually make distance learning work. Puryear breaks down the difference between synchronous and asynchronous learning, and why simply dumping recorded lectures on students isn't enough. The real magic? Engagement. Whether it's live interaction, strategic questioning or just being a “bit of an entertainer,” effective online education demands more than a webcam and a PowerPoint. Bottom line: online education isn't going anywhere. But if you're going to do it, you better do it right. The future isn't just virtual — it's hybrid, interactive and built by educators who actually care. Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    CAAS accreditation – More than a badge, a blueprint for excellence

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 9, 2026 37:21


    This week on EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence sits down with Sarah McEntee, executive director of the Commission on Accreditation of Ambulance Services (CAAS), to unpack what accreditation really means for modern EMS systems. Moving beyond the “sticker on the truck,” Sarah reframes CAAS as a living, breathing process — one that drives internal improvement, organizational alignment and long-term sustainability. From its origins within the American Ambulance Association in the 1990s, to the latest Version 4.0 standards, the conversation highlights how CAAS provides a unified, industry-driven framework that elevates agencies from compliant to high-performing. Rob brings a practitioner's perspective, reflecting on his own experience navigating multiple accreditation cycles, emphasizing how CAAS becomes a “guiding light” for governance, clinical care and operational excellence. Together, they explore the structure of the standards, the application journey, and the cultural readiness required to succeed. The key takeaway is clear: accreditation is not a project with an endpoint — it's a continuous process that strengthens organizations from the inside out, identifying risks, improving systems, and ultimately delivering better care to patients and communities. Episode timeline 01:30 – Origins of CAAS and need for unified standards 03:30 – Breakdown of CAAS standards (admin, clinical, operations) 06:30 – Deep dive into operational standards and structure 10:30 – Rob's real-world experience with accreditation 12:30 – Accreditation as a process vs. project 16:00 – Value proposition: internal vs. external benefits 18:30 – Cost vs. value — and the risk of not being accredited 22:00 – Step-by-step accreditation journey (readiness → submission → review) 28:30 – Site visits and peer collaboration 31:30 – Resources, support and how to get started 34:30 – Final reflections and leadership call to action Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    Live from NEMSMA: From battlefield to boardroom

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 29, 2026 24:08


    This edition of EMS One-Stop, recorded at the inaugural National EMS Management Association conference in Arlington, Virginia, pairs two complementary conversations about leadership and the future of EMS.   In the first half, General Robert Neller brings a military leader's lens to universal leadership truths: lead yourself first, remember that everyone is watching, stay humble, listen better and understand that decisiveness matters. His message is simple and sharp. People want leaders who will set the example, make the call when it matters, and balance standards with empathy.   | MORE: EMS Leadership Institute — AI and the future of EMS   In the second half, NEMSMA President Dr. Hezedean Smith reflects on a successful launch for the conference and looks ahead to where EMS leadership must go next. He frames this association as a growing home for mentorship, shared learning and strategic thinking, while also pointing to the disruptive forces already reshaping the profession: Artificial intelligence Redesigned systems Recruitment and retention pressures The possibility of autonomous ambulance operations Taken together, the episode is both a leadership masterclass and a forward look at an EMS profession that cannot afford to stand still. Episode timeline 00:39 – Rob sets the scene from the inaugural NEMSMA conference in Northern Virginia. 00:51 – Rob introduces General Neller as the opening keynote speaker. 01:38 – General Neller explains his leadership “roadmap,” beginning with leading yourself first. 03:38 – Rob and General Neller discuss how leaders are always being watched. 06:04 – Advice for the newly promoted EMS lieutenant: growth takes time, ask for advice, study and learn. 08:11 – General Neller reflects on what he wishes he had known earlier in his career: be a better listener. 09:41 – The “don't eat the cake” story becomes a lesson in humility and example-setting. 11:42 – General Neller discusses when leaders must consult and when they must simply decide. 13:22 – Final leadership theme from General Neller: empathy strengthens standards rather than weakening them. 17:04 – Rob returns with Dr. Hezedean Smith, President of NEMSMA. 17:18 – Dr. Smith describes the early success of the inaugural conference and strong turnout. 18:12 – Dr. Smith confirms planning is already underway for next year because the event has outgrown the venue. 19:25 – Discussion shifts to the future direction of EMS leadership and system design. 19:49 – Dr. Smith highlights AI, system redesign, and recruitment and retention as major themes. 20:47 – Dr. Smith talks about self-driving ambulances, solar-powered systems and rapid technological change. 21:38 – Dr. Smith emphasizes that technology must make providers' work easier, not harder. 22:22 – Rob asks why people should join NEMSMA. 22:28 – Dr. Smith outlines mentorship, information sharing and rapid organizational growth. 23:13 – Dr. Smith closes by reaffirming NEMSMA's role in the EMS leadership space. 23:46 – Rob signs off from what he calls an “amazing time” at the conference. Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    Inside EMS co-host debate: Street time or straight to medic?

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 27, 2026 28:00


    Things get intense on this episode of Inside EMS as hosts Chris Cebollero and Kelly Grayson tackle an age-old industry debate: should EMTs spend time on a truck before going to paramedic school or is that “experience” overrated? Kelly kicks things off with a spicy take, arguing that poor field training and inconsistent preceptorship often do more harm than good. From his perspective, bad habits, weak mentorship and burnout culture are the norm, not the exception. But Chris isn't buying it. He counters that experience builds what classrooms can't: clinical judgment, scene management and the ability to function in chaos. For him, skipping that step means stacking advanced skills on a shaky foundation. What follows is a back-and-forth that hits on everything from “microwave medics” and outdated curricula to high-fidelity simulation and whether modern education can truly replicate the street. Both sides agree the system is flawed — but disagree on where to fix it. Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback. 

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    Stop guessing your blood gases

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2026 30:01


    In this episode of Inside EMS, cohosts Chris Cebollero and Kelly Grayson are once again joined by paramedic student April McKenzie, a.k.a., “April Anonymous,” for a deep dive on measuring arterial blood gas. Chris and Kelly walk April (and anyone else grinding through class) through the core idea that everything hinges on knowing “normal.” Once you lock in pH, CO₂ and bicarb ranges, the rest becomes pattern recognition, not panic. The big takeaway? Master normal, stay curious and treat every patient like a learning opportunity. Because the more normals you encounter, the faster you'll catch what's not. Quotable takeaways “Our whole job in a nutshell is maintaining homeostasis and knowing when the body is going to restore homeostasis.” “Voltaire said that the art of medicine is entertaining the patient until nature cures the disease. But, we know that nature doesn't always cure the disease. We have to know when to step in, when nature's not gonna do it.” Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback. 

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    How everyday actions shape EMS culture

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 13, 2026 28:50


    This week on Inside EMS, hosts Chris Cebollero and Kelly Grayson take a practical look at how leadership — both formal and informal — shapes the culture of an EMS organization. The hosts break down three things crews notice immediately: consistency, presence and composure. They emphasize that good leadership isn't about controlling people or enforcing policies — it's about developing crews, communicating clearly and earning trust over time. This episode breaks down how leadership credibility is built slowly through consistent behavior — and it only takes one misstep to damage it. Quotable takeaways “The culture of an EMS organization is shaped far more by leadership behavior than by policy manuals.” “You don't build strong organizations by controlling people. You build them by developing people.” “Leadership starts the moment people are watching.” Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback. 

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    Six minutes to live: Inside the push to save cardiac arrest victims

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 12, 2026 38:54


    In this edition of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence is joined by Bob Davies and Hilary Gates to explore the mission behind Six Minutes to Live, a growing movement focused on improving survival from sudden cardiac arrest. | MORE: ‘Six Minutes to Live': Mini-documentary spotlights cardiac arrest care crisis The conversation begins with the stark reality that every minute without CPR and defibrillation reduces survival by 10%, and then widens into a larger discussion about injustice, geography and system performance. Bob reflects on his landmark USA Today investigation into EMS disparities across the country, while Hilary explains why this issue remains deeply personal and why communities, not just medical systems, must be part of the solution. The episode then turns from problem to action. Hilary and Bob describe how Six Minutes to Live is using storytelling, advocacy, community partnerships and public training to drive change, especially through bystander CPR education, school-based training and public access defibrillation. From Santa Cruz to the Resuscitation Academy in Seattle, the emphasis is on making the simple feel possible: hands-only CPR, early defibrillation and empowering ordinary people to act. The result is more than a nonprofit or a campaign. As Rob notes, this is a movement. Memorable quotes “For every minute that a person's heart has stopped, their chance of survival decreases by 10%.” — Hilary Gates “Life and death is defined by geography.” — Bob Davies “There are vulnerable, voiceless people living on the margins who need a voice.” — Hilary Gates “The main way that people save more lives is they care.” — Bob Davies “Every podcast that Hillary and I are involved with is actually sponsored by R&D. Rip off and duplicate, show up, take our stuff, go and save lives with it.” — Rob Lawrence Additional resources Six Minutes to Live Six Minutes to Live mini documentary Episode timeline 01:34-02:14 – Rob Lawrence introduces the episode and welcomes Hilary Gates and Bob Davies. 02:21-03:21 – Hilary Gates shares her background as an educator turned paramedic and cofounder of Six Minutes to Live. 03:48-08:14 – Bob Davies recounts his experience as a paramedic and journalist, including his USA Today investigation into EMS performance disparities. 08:24-10:50 – Rob asks what has changed in 20 years; Bob discusses the enduring formula, new technology and the energy of younger clinicians. 11:08-13:02 – Hilary explains why Six Minutes to Live was founded and frames cardiac arrest survival as an issue of injustice and community responsibility. 13:13-17:08 – Rob asks what Six Minutes to Live is and how it fits among other advocacy organizations; Bob and Hilary describe its role as a connector and storyteller. 18:04-18:39 – Rob resets the conversation and asks what the organization is doing now. 18:50-20:47 – Hilary describes the Santa Cruz partnership, community CPR training and support from donors and local agencies. 21:12-23:47 – Bob highlights their upcoming workshop at the Resuscitation Academy in Seattle and the power of systems that care enough to measure and improve. 24:00-25:20 – Rob offers a transatlantic explainer connecting Eisenberg, Utstein and UK ambulance response standards. 25:24-28:41 – Hilary discusses community myths about CPR and AEDs, and the need to simplify action for laypeople. 28:48-31:02 – Bob outlines what is next: documentaries, deep listening, connecting voices and helping movements grow organically. 31:17-33:01 – Rob and Hilary talk about creating local champions, liability concerns and getting communities to act. 33:13-34:47 – Rob asks the closing question; Hilary urges EMS clinicians to become local champions for simple lifesaving actions. 35:22-37:20 – Bob closes with a call for EMS professionals to confront the “little secrets” they know and act on them. Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    Stop leading EMS like it's a bar fight

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 6, 2026 30:41


    “The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War This week on Inside EMS, host Chris Cebollero brings a fresh interpretation to Sun Tzu's ancient text with his latest book, “The Art of War for Business Leaders: Winning Without Fighting in Leadership, Strategy, and Life.” Chris makes the case that EMS leadership is more about clarity and discipline than chest-thumping command presence, tying Tzu's principles back to everyday EMS realities. The discussion digs into why leaders so often fight the wrong battles, from staffing drama and culture clashes, to policy headaches and ego wars, and how better planning can keep those problems from blowing up in the first place The conversation dissects what accountability without chaos means in practice: building culture, reducing friction and leading in a way that gives crews the tools, support and ownership they need to succeed. Quotable takeaways “Most leaders don't fail because they're bad people. They fail because they fight battles that they never really need to fight.” “Never allow your emotions to dictate your actions. I was a powder keg that would explode when things didn't go right. [“The Art of War”] taught me to be less reactive.” “Discipline creates freedom.” Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    EMS leaders head to Capitol Hill with one message: It's time to fund the future

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 5, 2026 31:56


    EMS on the Hill isn't just a date on the calendar — it's the profession's annual moment to stand in front of Congress and tell the EMS story with clarity, confidence and unity. In this edition of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence is joined by NAEMT President, Chris Way, to preview EMS on the Hill (March 25–26, 2026) and explain why this event matters now more than ever: EMS is where most Americans first enter the healthcare system, and the care delivered in the field is no longer “drive-you-to-the-hospital medicine.” Chris and Rob also unpack what's changed — the scale of collaboration across national organizations and the discipline of going to Capitol Hill with aligned priorities and a shared message. They walk listeners through the event flow (Education Day, briefings, Hill visits, awards and reception), the importance of working relationships with staffers, and the advocacy “ask” that could reshape the future: reimbursement for treatment in place, mobile integrated healthcare/community paramedicine, and sustainable support for initiatives like prehospital blood. The throughline is simple: show up, speak with one voice, and translate momentum into legislative wins. Additional resources: EMS on the Hill Day One voice, one profession — EMS leaders open summit with call for unity and coordinated action Episode timeline 00:00 – Chris Way frames the goal: becoming a trusted, go-to EMS resource for lawmakers 00:52 – Why EMS on the Hill matters; EMS as the front door of healthcare; call to action 02:16 – Advocacy theme and EMS on the Hill as the seminal D.C. event 03:27 – Kansas City summit recap; commitment to making it annual; “stronger together” 05:39 – Evolution of EMS on the Hill into a multi-organization partnership; one message 08:24 – Logistics overview begins: dates, hotel, education day, briefings, awards 10:16 – How to succeed in legislative meetings: reading the room, time limits, staffer relationships 17:14 – Priority bills: treatment in place, MIH/CP, whole blood, NAMSP priorities 21:02 – “This is ongoing” collaboration: monthly cross-organization calls, broader coordination 24:05 – Chris shares his recommended approach: prep, priorities, cards/coins, questions, follow-up 27:34 – Rob's add-ons: photos after meetings, tagging lawmakers, comms/PR value 28:59 – Final logistics recap; what to expect as a first-timer at state tables 30:37 – Chris closes: unprecedented partnership, focus to “get this done” 31:14 – Rob plugs state-level advocacy (CAA Stars/Capitol Day) Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback. 

    Beyond check-the-box: Making National Registry prep actually stick

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 28, 2026 33:59


    This episode of Inside EMS is brought to you by ZOLL software and data solutions. Optimize EMS performance and outcomes at every stage of operations with interoperable solutions from dispatch, to patient care, QA/QI, billing and beyond. Visit zolldata.com to learn about the complete solution suite. This week on the Inside EMS podcast, Jon Puryear, NREMT-P, is back and if you've ever sweated a National Registry deadline, this one hits home. Amid the ever-looming March 31 cutoff, Puryear breaks down what's changed in continuing education — and what hasn't. Known for his ability to simplify complex topics, Puryear has built National Registry refresher courses, explainers and CE programs designed not just to check a box, but to truly reinforce clinical understanding. His teaching style leans heavily on storytelling and practical analogies — think pulmonary edema explained through a waterlogged sponge — so providers walk away actually understanding the information, not just memorizing it. If you need hours, motivation — or just someone to explain it like a human — this episode is your reset. Top quotes “I don't believe that we chose this profession. I believe that the profession chose us. We have a special calling inside of us to be able to take care of our fellow mankind.” “We don't get rich. We don't make a lot of money doing this. We're truly public servants.” “Continuing education is still important to be able to keep our mind, our clinical care, our judgment, everything on top.” Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback.

    Synergy in action: How EMS leaders are aligning for impact

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 26, 2026 31:56


    Recorded on location at the EMS Association Summit in sunny Kansas City, this edition of EMS One-Stop captures something that's been building for a while across the profession: real momentum. In the first half, Rob Lawrence sits down with Bill Seifarth, CEO of the National Registry of EMTs, to unpack what the Registry is today; how its mission has evolved; and why partnerships, research and continued competence sit at the heart of public trust when 911 is called. In the second half, returning guest Patrick Pianezza joins Rob to talk Code 3, the top streaming EMS movie's impact on providers and families and what comes next. Across both conversations, the theme is unmistakable. When EMS organizations collaborate, align messaging and show up as one voice, the profession becomes harder to ignore and easier to support. The summit becomes more than a meeting. It becomes a signal. Episode timeline 1:02 – Introduction of Bill Seifarth; brief personal bio and career path 2:01 – “National Registry 101”: Bill explains the mission and what the Registry does 2:53 – Research focus: the Registry's fellowship and EMS research priorities 3:31 – “Bread and butter”: entry-level and continued competence assessment and why it matters to the public 4:33 – Rob notes the Registry's growing national presence; Bill outlines advocacy-through-partnership 5:08 – Preview of next year's summit; participation in EMS on the Hill and NCSL with multiple EMS orgs in one booth 6:33 – Why the summit matters: state associations and national partners coming together under one roof — it's a sold-out inaugural event; education, networking and shared experience highlighted 10:52 – Next stop: EMS on the Hill; “hunting in a pack” 12:20 – Bill's closing: partnership, collaboration, synergy and supporting the profession 13:38 – Transition: Rob introduces Patrick Pianezza, co-writer of Code 3 14:41 – Patrick reflects on the film's reception — especially among working providers 15:33 – Patrick shares the origin story: a “homework assignment” turned full-length film 17:39 – Where to watch: Apple/Amazon to rent or purchase; streaming on Hulu; performance metrics shared 18:30 – What's next: pitching a TV series and interest in a sequel; realities of funding and IP ownership 21:33 – Discussion of the “Mr. President” scene and the intentional visual tension-building 24:19 – Patrick addresses feedback and the goal: honest portrayal and conversation-starting, not villainizing partners 27:41 – Leadership pipeline point: great clinicians aren't automatically great leaders; mentorship matters 30:15 – Closing theme returns: one voice, fewer scattered voices, more impact for the profession 31:20 – Rob wraps: summit takeaways, guests, and a final nudge to watch Code 3 Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest guests for future episodes. 

    Are you burned out — or done?

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 20, 2026 31:31


    Editor's Note: This episode of Inside EMS is brought to you by ZOLL software and data solutions. Optimize EMS performance and outcomes at every stage of operations with interoperable solutions from dispatch, to patient care, QA/QI, billing and beyond. Visit zolldata.com to learn about the complete solution suite. This episode of Inside EMS tackles a difficult question: When is it time to step away from the job? Hosts Chris Cebollero and Kelly Grayson trade hard-earned wisdom — from Kelly's knee-rehab comic relief to serious talk about emotional burnout, wellness needs and timing. The hosts also explore the psychology of identity — how being a paramedic or EMT isn't just a job, it's who you are. They unpack how to carry forward the best parts of that identity — calm under pressure, decisive action, compassion — into new roles if needed. This isn't about quitting — it's about owning your career before it owns you. Whether it's fewer shifts, a new role, a new service or a new direction altogether, the message is clear: protect your identity, protect your professionalism and make moves that keep you sharp for the long haul. Quotable takeaways “Burnout is gradual. It's not explosive, but you've got to be able to realize the emotional flattening that is happening.” — Chris Cebollero “Our identity often becomes EMS. I tell people, to this day, ‘I'm a paramedic,' and there's a lot that goes into that — and not just when you put the boots or the polo shirt on. It really becomes the core of who you are.” — Chris Cebollero “The vast majority of us don't leave after one bad call. We wake up one day and realize we've been surviving instead of serving, and that's when the burnout epiphany really hits us hard.” — Kelly Grayson Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest guests for a future episode.

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    AI, body cams and bills on the Hill

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 16, 2026 31:59


    This episode of Inside EMS is brought to you by ZOLL software and data solutions. Optimize EMS performance and outcomes at every stage of operations with interoperable solutions from dispatch, to patient care, QA/QI, billing and beyond. Visit zolldata.com to learn about the complete solution suite. NAEMSP is officially a “big little conference” — and it's only getting bigger. In this crossover episode, Rob Lawrence and Chris Cebollero unpack the momentum: tighter collaboration, a unified push toward EMS on the Hill Day, and the growing realization that if we want change, we need boots (and uniforms) on Capitol Hill. But the real buzz? AI. From autonomous ambulances to narrative-writing software, the conversation gets real about the promise — and the potholes — of artificial intelligence in EMS. Charting shortcuts? Maybe. Courtroom landmines? Definitely possible. Add in body-worn camera debates, budget crises and a push for legislative support at the federal level, and it's clear the profession is standing at a pivot point. Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest guests for future episodes. 

    Dr. Linda Dykes: From toxic culture to safer systems

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 12, 2026 47:27


    In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Dr. Linda Dykes joins Rob Lawrence from the UK for a wide-ranging, transatlantic conversation that starts with workplace culture and ends with a practical look at how health systems can keep patients safely at home. In the first half, Linda breaks down her newly published (open-access) qualitative paper, provocatively titled “It's not bullying if I do it to everyone,” drawn from UK NHS “Med Twitter” responses: a raw, heartbreaking window into the red flags of toxic workplace culture, how bullying is experienced in the eye of the beholder, and why incivility and silence are not just HR problems — they're patient safety threats. In the second half, Linda brings listeners into the UK's evolving admission alternative world: frailty care at home, urgent community response models, and the increasingly important interface between EMS and community-based teams. She explains the UK's SPOA (single point of access) concept, why she dislikes the term “admission avoidance,” and how ED crowding and access change the risk-benefit equation for hospital vs. home. Rob connects the dots back to the U.S. reality — reimbursement, APOT/wall time, treatment-in-place policy — and why this work is becoming a shared challenge on both sides of the Atlantic. Timeline 00:51 – Rob opens, recaps NAEMSP in Tampa and recent content. 02:25 – Rob introduces Linda as the “triple threat” (emergency medicine, primary care/GP, geriatrics) and tees up two-part discussion. 05:39 – Rob introduces Linda's paper: “It's not bullying if I do it to everyone.” 06:13 – Linda explains why toxic culture is increasingly visible and how the tweet prompt became a dataset. 07:33 – “Flash mob research group” forms; Linda explains social-media-to-qualitative methodology and limitations. 10:03 – Rob asks about bias; Linda clarifies purpose: insight, not representativeness. 16:39 – Linda defines gaslighting and why it's so destabilizing. 18:21 – Reactions to publication; resonance, sharing and uncomfortable self-reflection on learned behaviors. 20:18 – The “16:55 Friday email” as a weapon — and as an accidental harm. 23:29 – Leadership as “the sponge” — absorbing pressure rather than passing it down. 25:27 – “One thing right now”: know the impact your words can have, especially on vulnerable staff. 26:41 – Rob on “pressure bubbles,” micro-movements and atmospherics: how leaders shift climate without realizing it. 30:53 – SPOA explained: single point of access and urgent community response behind it. 33:03 – EMS interface: calling before conveyance to find safe pathways to keep patients at home. 35:47 – Linda on mortality risk of access block/long waits and how that reframes risk decisions. 37:19 – Evolving models: primary care-led response vs. hospital at home approaches. 39:34 – Clinical myths challenged: oral antibiotics sometimes non-inferior to IV in conditions we assumed needed admission. 40:34 – Outcomes: hospital at home trial signals safety and fewer patients in institutional care by 6 months. 42:00 – Telemedicine/telehealth: underutilized but useful; when you still need a senior clinician in person. 44:50 – Closing takeaways: read the paper (with trigger warning); admission alternative work is deeply satisfying. Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest guests for a future episode. 

    A paramedic-school survival guide to autonomic chaos

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 6, 2026 20:18


    This episode of Inside EMS is brought to you by ZOLL software and data solutions. Optimize EMS performance and outcomes at every stage of operations with interoperable solutions from dispatch, to patient care, QA/QI, billing and beyond. Visit zolldata.com to learn about the complete solution suite. This week on Inside EMS, Chris Cebollero takes on one of the most anxiety-inducing topics in paramedic education: alpha and beta receptors. Sparked by a question from paramedic student April McKenzie, a.k.a., “April Anonymous,” this episode strips away rote memorization and replaces it with something far more useful in the field — understanding the why behind the medicine. There's no fluff here; no cheesy memory tricks that fall apart under stress. Just physiology, practical mental models and a challenge to start practicing medicine with intention. If pharmacology has ever felt random, this episode connects the dots in a way that finally clicks. Quotable takeaways “Every medication you give in EMS is doing one of two things: It's either pushing the gas pedal or it's releasing the brake — that's it. If you don't understand which one you're doing, you're guessing, even if the protocol says you're right.” “We really have to become the ultimate detective of the body.” “Every patient is somewhere between gas and brake at all times. Those systems are constantly working, they're not off. It's just a dimmer switch. Every medication pushes one system or pulls the other system back into play.” Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest guests for a future episode. 

    Oh, baby: Birth, breakthroughs and the Broselow tape blunder

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2026 28:16


    Dr. Peter Antevy returns to the Inside EMS co-host seat this week, filling in for Kelly Grayson and bringing some serious pediatric firepower to the conversation. Host Chris Cebollero dives right into the latest buzz around the Broselow tape recall — yes, again — as Dr. Antevy unpacks what went wrong, why it matters and what EMS agencies should be doing about it now. He also shares exciting details on his brand-new, field-focused Newborn Resuscitation & Obstetrics course (NROC), built by EMS for EMS. Designed with two hours of online content (zero PowerPoints!) and a short, in-house skills lab, this course aims to tackle one of the most nerve-wracking call types. No more dragging medics to the hospital for NRP classes that don't translate to street-level care. Also on deck: OB deserts, delayed cord clamping, why you might need to Saran-wrap a newborn (seriously), and what AI can — and can't — do for EMS. This one's packed with practical pearls, myth-busting insights and a whole lot of passion for pediatric education. Quotable takeaways from Dr. Peter Antevy “EMS is one specialty that AI will never take away, as far as like the human-to-human contact. We resuscitate people, we treat people who are seizing. AI will never do that. That's a good thing.” “Academics and the hospital folks don't recognize the value that EMS brings to the table. They think we're ambulance drivers. It's time for them to wake up and recognize that we are the people who deliver babies. We are the people who resuscitate grandma, grandpa and the little kid.” Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest guests for future episodes. 

    EMS One Stop: Resilience and beyond

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2026 30:47


    In this episode of EMS One-Stop, host Rob Lawrence welcomes John Sammons, an advanced practice paramedic with Wake County EMS, a peer support team member and a key leader in the NAEMT Lighthouse Leadership Program. John sits at the intersection of system design and human performance, helping build the kind of operational and cultural scaffolding that keeps clinicians effective, healthy and coming back tomorrow. In this episode of EMS One-Stop, host Rob Lawrence welcomes John Sammons, an advanced practice paramedic with Wake County EMS, a peer support team member and a key leader in the NAEMT Lighthouse Leadership Program. John sits at the intersection of system design and human performance, helping build the kind of operational and cultural scaffolding that keeps clinicians effective, healthy and coming back tomorrow. | MORE: Peer support teams: How to build trust and maximize effectiveness This week's conversation goes beyond “be more resilient” and into the practical realities of burnout, moral injury, mentoring and culture, including the role of frontline and unofficial leaders in shaping what “normal” looks like inside an agency. John also shares the Wake County approach to peer support: presence first, then resources, plus the power of finding your people: your team, your tribe, your board of directors. Memorable quotes from John Sammons “We have folks that don't stay in the profession. We have folks that leave. We have folks that unfortunately develop substantial mental health crises up to and including, unfortunately, suicide in our profession.” “What an amazing privilege that we're invited into somebody's home to take care of them and to figure it out.” “Every one of those people expects to call 911 and have an expert show up and solve the problem.” “I work to live, I don't live to work. And that's a great philosophy to have.” “Everybody goes home ... but there should be an addendum on the bottom of it that says, ‘but everybody comes back tomorrow.'” “Nobody gets us like we get us.” “Leadership is action, not a title.” “Everybody has their bucket, and everybody's bucket can only hold so much.” “Nobody got into this because we wanted to be crusty and angry and miserable and difficult to be around.” Episode timeline 00:40 – Rob opens the episode and introduces John Sammons and the theme: resilience and beyond 02:05 – John's “Sammons 101” bio: Wake County APP, peer support, Lighthouse Leadership involvement 03:01 – Burnout data and why it matters for retention and wellbeing 04:16 – Wake County's Advanced Practice Paramedic Program: the “three Rs” 05:03 – John's post-COVID turning point: “I'm done ... I don't want to do this anymore” 06:12 – What brings John back to work: purpose, people, privilege, challenge 09:16 – Prevention and balance: identity beyond the job, sleep, nutrition, purpose 12:15 – Peer support in practice: presence, triage, in-house clinician, canines, statewide resources 17:09 – Podcast/vodcast reminder and John's slides supporting the discussion 18:14 – NAEMT Lighthouse Leadership: why relationships and peers are the real multiplier 20:39 – Mentorship as a resilience strategy: formal programs and informal investment 24:25 – Culture: administration vs frontline leaders vs unofficial leaders 28:06 – Closing reflections: remembering why we got into EMS 30:36 – Final takeaways Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest guests for future episodes. 

    This isn't your Facebook group's EMS debate

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 23, 2026 33:37


    In this episode of Inside EMS, host Chris Cebollero sits down with Mic Gunderson, CEO of the Center for Systems Improvement and EMS Quality Academy; and editor‑in‑chief of the new peer-reviewed International Journal of Paramedicine, which launched in January 2023. Gunderson explains how the publication provides a forum for thoughtful debate around complex topics to be examined and analyzed. A recent issue, for example, touched on degree requirements for entry-level medics using the Socratic method to frame and manage the debate — a far cry from the horrors of a social post's comment section. Sprinkled with wit, respect and real curiosity, this episode is a masterclass in how EMS can grow — not just louder, but smarter. Whether you drive an ambulance, manage a system, or just care about the future of prehospital care, this conversation is worth your seat time. Additional resources: The International Journal of Paramedicine Degrees, debate and direction: Why this debate deserves our attention Top quotes from Mic Gunderson “Allow us to have enough maturity in our dialogue to say, ‘what's your logic or reasoning behind your opinion?' instead of just saying, ‘I think the sky is blue.' Tell me why you think the sky is blue and why it isn't red.” “With the Socratic debate format, because we're not trying to pick a loser or a winner, it allows us to really focus on the issues and the merits of the different perspectives.” Enjoying the show? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest guests for future episodes. 

    ‘We love this job — and it's hurting us': Paramedic Sophie on EMS burnout and culture change

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 22, 2026 35:00


    In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Sophie Fuller — better known across social media as Paramedic Sophie — joins host Rob Lawrence for a candid, energizing conversation about what it really feels like to work in EMS right now: pride, the pressure, the burnout, and the culture issues that too many providers have been taught to silently absorb. Sophie is a critical care ground paramedic, flight paramedic, educator and president of the Tennessee Association of EMS Providers (TAEMSP), and she brings a provider-first lens to everything from leadership visibility, to mental health and pay equity. Together, Rob and Sophie dig into why Sophie started creating content in the first place (hint: burnout and the need to connect), how social media can be used as a force for good, and what “healthy” EMS culture should look like in practice. Sophie shares practical advice for crews and leaders alike: Be human Say the uncomfortable thing Stop normalizing harm Build systems that “care back” for the people doing the work Memorable quotes “We're just working in systems that haven't yet learned how to care back for the provider.” — Sophie Fuller “Management by walking about. Don't be stuck in the office. Don't say my door is always open because that relies on people coming in to see you. Get out and go and see them.” — Rob Lawrence “We love this job and that distracts us from the fact that it's also hurting us.” — Sophie Fuller “Just because it's normal doesn't mean it's healthy.” — Sophie Fuller “We confuse trauma with tradition.” — Sophie Fuller Additional resources: Follow Paramedic Sophie on: YouTube Tik Tok “The Next Shift : A mentorship workbook for EMTs and Paramedics” | E-Book, by Sophie Fuller “To Err is Human: Building a Safer Health System” - PubMed Episode timeline 01:00 – Rob introduces Sophie Fuller (“Paramedic Sophie”) and frames the influencer vs. “effluencer” concept 02:14 – Sophie's origin story: graphic design → hospital tech → EMT → volunteer fire → paramedic → critical care → flight 06:16 – TAEMSP: why Tennessee needed a provider-level association and the shift toward legislative advocacy 08:05 – Why she started with social media: two full-time 911 jobs, low pay, burnout and the need for an outlet/connection 09:32 – Defining EMS burnout: the “jar on the shelf” and cumulative strain that becomes chronic fatigue 13:26 – Sophie's guidance to providers: vulnerability, telling the truth and not letting naysayers silence needed conversations 16:00 – Sophie's message to leadership: don't be the “Wizard of Oz” — show up, communicate and stay connected to crews 20:26 – EMS culture: self-sacrifice, silence, “earning your place through suffering,” and confusing trauma with tradition 23:10 – Sophie's book “The Next Shift”: a field guide to “learn, lead and last” in EMS 26:03 – Mistakes and “just culture”: reporting, mentoring, anonymous reporting systems, and learning vs. blame 32:08 – Closing challenge: stop normalizing harm; speak up for culture and patient care 33:14 – Where to find Sophie online and how large her platform has become Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest guests for a future episode. 

    The buffer system decoded: Mastering CO2, pH and patient care

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 16, 2026 41:37


    In this episode of the Inside EMS podcast, Chris and Kelly are joined by paramedic student April McKenzie — aka “April Anonymous” — for a deep dive into the buffer system and CO2 mapping. April's in the thick of paramedic school and like every good learner, she's asking “why?” — so the guys break down the physiology behind capnography, acid-base balance and the lungs-vs.-kidneys showdown that keeps our patients alive. Plus, they throw in old-school war stories, rant about naloxone misuse and admit that bicarb is no longer the go-to cardiac arrest drug. If you've ever tried to explain respiratory vs. metabolic acidosis in under 10 minutes, this episode is your cheat sheet. April will be back throughout the year with more student questions, so buckle up for the ongoing EMS education you didn't know you needed. Quotable takeaways “Just because you see somebody with signs and symptoms and the protocol says, do this; that's OK, but that just makes you a protocol paramedic.” “My friend Romy Duckworth calls [capnography] the MVP of vital signs, and that's a good way to remember it — MVP: Metabolism, Ventilation and Profusion. And it will tell you derangement about all three of those things very well once you're proficient at interpreting the waveforms.” “Basically, the buffer system is the body's way of keeping the pH stable. So, if we're blowing out, if we're having problems with respiratory acidosis — and let's talk about CDKA, where they're trying to blow off — it's the respiratory systems' way of making sure that we have homeostasis.” Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest guests for an upcoming episode. 

    NEMSQA 2025 Report: In trauma care, consistency outperforms heroics

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 15, 2026 37:07


    In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence is joined by his own Medical Director, Dr. Maia Dorsett, to unpack the 2025 NEMSQA Measures Report — a deep dive into trauma-focused quality measures built largely from NEMSIS data. Dr. Dorsett frames the discussion around the central aim of quality improvement: Are we doing a good job? Are we delivering the best possible care? How do we get better? From pediatric vital signs to traumatic brain injury (TBI) fundamentals, she walks listeners through what the report reveals, what it can't reliably measure yet, and why some of the “sexy” procedures are too rare to serve as useful system-wide metrics. The conversation highlights a recurring theme: fundamentals matter most. Dr. Dorsett explains how measures like complete vital signs and avoiding secondary brain injury in TBI (hypoxia, hypotension, hyperventilation) can drive meaningful outcomes — even during relatively short prehospital intervals. She also points out where current measurement approaches unintentionally create documentation burden for clinicians, arguing that systems should do more of the “figuring out” (like trauma center designation and prenotification capture) without requiring extra clicks. The episode closes with a call to action: anyone can join NEMSQA, contribute to the work, and help shape what EMS quality measurement becomes next. Memorable quotes from Dr. Maia Dorsett “I think the most fundamental question in quality improvement is, are we doing a good job?” “I think part of the value of this report is specifically looking at those things and saying what should we be measuring using NEMSIS data or how should things be integrated into that database so that the answers are there rather than needing to be documented on each individual case?” “If there's one thing that you're going to take away from this trauma report is that, the sexy stuff is important, but it happens rarely. And if you want to improve care in your system, it's about the fundamentals of good care.” Additional resources NEMSQA 2025 Report Release EMS One-Stop: Leading through momentum: Dr. Douglas Kupas on steering NAEMSP Episode timeline 00:31 – Rob welcomes listeners; introduces the 2025 NEMSQA measures discussion and notes prior episode with Dr. Jeff Jarvis 01:10 – Dr. Dorsett joins; holiday surge discussion and flu impact on EDs and admissions 03:08 – Dr. Dorsett explains her role as co-chair of NEMSQA's Measure Analysis and Research Committee; trauma focus of the 2025 report; pain measures not included due to active research 05:00 – NEMSIS scale and opportunity: extracting meaningful measures from a massive national dataset 05:35 – Dr. Dorsett on what NEMSIS measures well vs. what it shouldn't force clinicians to document (system should determine trauma center status) 07:46 – “HALO procedures” table: why rare interventions shouldn't become national quality measures 10:17 – Trauma 08: complete vital signs; pediatric gap (adults ~93% vs pediatrics ~85% in discussion) 14:22 – TBI measures: preventing secondary brain injury; why fundamentals outperform “sexy” fixes; correction rates for hypotension/hypoxia discussed 21:39 – Trauma 04: trauma triage criteria and transport to trauma centers; why national measure looks low; documentation field limitations 24:17 – State collaboration comparison: using state trauma center designation data shifts performance dramatically (often 75–90%+ in examples) 26:55 – Trauma 14: hospital prenotification; importance and measurement challenges (multiple modalities, inconsistent capture) 30:01 – Rob raises operational/policy concerns about trauma alerts and incentives; Dr. Dorsett adds nuance about local criteria variation 33:22 – Closing: Dr. Dorsett's “fundamentals matter” takeaway; impact at scale 34:44 – Dr. Dorsett plugs joining NEMSQA as an individual/agency; committees are open 35:31 – NAEMSP Tampa preview; Dr. Dorsett: “The people” are why she goes — leaves energized with new ideas Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest guests for a future episode. 

    The National EMS Memorial Bike Ride: Because they mattered — and still do

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 9, 2026 27:15


    This week on Inside EMS, Chris Cebollero kicks off 2026 with a heartfelt conversation featuring Eric Morrison, vice president of the National EMS Memorial Bike Ride and EMS director for Iredell County, North Carolina. The ride, founded 26 years ago, exists to honor the memory of EMS providers who died in the line of duty, from illness or mental health struggles. Each rider wears a dog tag bearing the name of a fallen provider, often connecting with their families along the journey. Eric shares his personal journey from lifeguard to leader and how his rekindled love for cycling — along with the loss of friend and EMS wellness advocate Brian Fass — led him to the ride. He breaks down what it takes to join (hint: it's more doable than you think), the logistics of the ride, and how EMS agencies and individuals can support the cause, even off the bike. Quotable takeaways from Eric Morrison “All of us are focused on the idea that our providers matter. They matter to their families, they matter to their communities, and they should matter to all of us.” “People that didn't even know that person are recognizing their service. They're recognizing their commitment to the community, and they're honoring them and remembering them.” “Once you come out and see what the ride is really about, you understand the mission and you see the impact it has on these families that we're able to meet with.” Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest a guest for a future episode. 

    Leading through momentum: Dr. Douglas Kupas on steering NAEMSP

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 8, 2026 39:19


    Dr. Douglas Kupas joins Rob Lawrence to kick off EMS One-Stop in 2026, reflecting on his first year as President of NAEMSP — a year he describes as fast-moving, complex and occasionally “whack-a-mole,” with emerging issues demanding real-time leadership while long-term priorities still had to move forward. He shares what he's learned about the presidency, the value of NAEMSP's leadership “bench strength,” and why advocacy and coalition-building across national EMS organizations has become more coordinated, more strategic and more essential. The conversation then turns to what's immediately ahead: the NAEMSP Annual Meeting in Tampa (late January), including pre-conference courses, the flagship Medical Director's Course, and a packed scientific program. Kupas highlights a keynote focused on transforming battlefield trauma care; major research programming through oral abstracts and hundreds of posters; and high-impact sessions spanning clinical care, operations, legal issues, and international perspectives — reinforcing why the Tampa meeting remains a must-attend event for anyone serious about the science and future of EMS. Episode timeline 00:00 – Rob tees up NAEMSP Annual Meeting growth as a “good problem to have” 00:50 – Welcome/Happy New Year 2026; Dr. Kupas introduced as first guest of the year 01:45 – Year one as NAEMSP president: what's surprised Dr. Kupas, pace of work, governance “bench strength” 04:26 – NEMSAC termination: what happened, what NAEMSP hopes comes next 07:02 – Building the pipeline: medical student/resident interest group, travel support ideas 08:47 – “Hot off the press:” NAEMSP accepted into WHO Acute Care Action Network 10:08 – Advocacy “hunting as a pack:” overlapping national orgs, EMS on the Hill coordination 12:40 – Why Hill visits work: stories, staffers and why first-timers matter 16:48 – “White hat” advocacy and patient-centered priorities; ED wall time as a key issue 20:07 – Tampa preview: “It's not just for docs,” NAEMSP membership structure 22:11 – Pre-cons overview: Medical Director's Course, QI workshop, MIH, ventilation, blood, TECC 23:55 – Keynote: Dr. Frank Butler and special intro by Dr. Bob Mabry; Grand Rounds obstetric focus 27:45 – Major legal session format and why legal content draws a crowd 29:28 – Space constraints and future planning: small convention centers; San Diego “buyout” scale 31:49 – Research explosion: oral abstracts, posters, receptions; better ways to access abstracts 34:39 – “Meat of the conference:” operations, clinical topics, international speakers/learning 36:49 – Closing question: Bill details Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest guests for a future episode. 

    The EMS Avenger returns: Jimmy Apple's no-holds-barred take on tech, burnout and backboards

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 30, 2025 31:18


    As the year wraps, Rob Lawrence welcomes back the “EMS Avenger” Jimmy Apple for a fast-moving, end-of-year pulse check on the EMS universe — through the lens of social media, research and what frontline clinicians are actually saying when the mic is on and the comments are open. Building on last week's data-and-trends conversation , this episode pivots into “the world according to Jimmy Apple” and his alter ego, the EMS Avenger, exploring what's made providers lean in, push back or flat-out declare “enough is enough.” | SHARE YOUR STORY: A call for real stories from the EMS field, station and beyond  From burnout and workforce conditions to AI-assisted ECG interpretation and the rise of microlearning, the conversation lands on a central theme: the future of EMS isn't just protocols — it's people, technology and how we choose to learn, adapt and debate. Jimmy also names his “paper of the year” on spinal immobilization, explains how he handles disagreement without falling into “quicksand arguments,” and previews a packed 2026 speaking calendar — plus a relaunch of his podcast. Memorable quotes “If we can just verify that you're retaining the information, that's much more important than the veracity of how long it took you to get that information.” — Jimmy Apple “You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.” — Jimmy Apple “That's the future; is that literally, we're going to swipe it, absorb it and swipe away again.” — Rob Lawrence “My paper of the year is the paper that was published on spinal mobilization … It does not support the use of backboards as anything other than an extrication tool.” — Jimmy Apple “I think that a big push that I'm making this year is to really start talking about the EMS provider as the person.” — Jimmy Apple Episode timeline 00:56 — Rob welcomes listeners, references year-in-review data and notes ambulance thefts continue to trend. 01:38 — Rob brings Jimmy back and asks for a quick summary of Jimmy's year and growing reach, and the top themes Jimmy has seen. 04:12 — Jimmy identifies provider conditions and mindset as the dominant theme and describes discussion of collapse/collapsing systems. 06:12 — Jimmy explains social media as the pulse point and highlights burnout, anger and provider frustration. 06:52 — Jimmy pivots to technology's growing role and EMS resistance to tech encroachment in practice. 07:23 — Rob connects the tech thread to conference observations (Axon, AI). Jimmy gives examples (AI 12-lead, apps) and argues tech advancement shouldn't be rejected due to “skill deterioration” fears. 09:34 — Rob asks Jimmy's “how do you explain complex concepts quickly?” Jimmy uses the Michelangelo anecdote to describe stripping concepts to essentials; critiques padded, time-gated education. 12:29 — Jimmy argues for education credit models that recognize microlearning and self-directed learning if retention can be verified. 14:04 — Rob asks for standout research; Jimmy discusses RSI/induction agent considerations, pressors debate and prehospital antibiotics. 16:47 — Rob and Jimmy preview NAEMSP's annual meeting (“research Disney”), value of posters, networking and clinical depth. 18:26 — Jimmy names spinal immobilization evidence review as his “paper of the year” and explains its conclusions. 21:36 — Rob asks how Jimmy handles disagreement/detractors with a larger platform — Jimmy describes disagreement as healthy, focuses on respectful pushback and staying anchored in data. 29:00 — Final question: Jimmy emphasizes “provider as person,” healing the clinician and a sponsored podcast relaunch in January. Additional resources Meet the EMS Avenger: Saving lives with kindness and content. TikTok sensation and pediatric critical care paramedic Jimmy Apple shares his rise in EMS education, battling misinformation with heart and hustle Jimmy Apple's “paper of the year:” Millin MG, Innes JC, King GD, Abo BN, et al. “Prehospital Trauma Compendium: Prehospital Management of Spinal Cord Injuries — A NAEMSP Comprehensive Review and Analysis of the Literature.” Prehosp Emerg Care. 2025 Aug. Connect with Jimmy Apple, better known as The EMS Avenger: TikTok — Jimmy offers short-form, evidence-based EMS content here: @emsavenger Instagram — Engage with in-depth reels, visuals, and professional updates: @emsavenger X (formerly Twitter) — Follow EMS commentary, conversation, and boosts: @EMSAvenger Facebook — Join the group for discussions and shared insights: EMS Avenger community Apple Podcasts — Listen to “EMS Avenger: 20 Minutes to Save the World”: Weekly podcast series AAA & AIMHI EMS Media Log: EMS Intel Enjoying the show? Contact the EMS One-Stop team at editor@EMS1.com to share ideas, suggestions and feedback.

    EMS at the edge: Inside a year of reckoning and redesign

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 26, 2025 36:01


    As EMS closes out 2025, host Rob Lawrence is joined by Matt Zavadsky (PWWAG) and Rodney Dyche (Patient Care EMS Solutions) for their second annual EMSIntel.org “year in review” conversation — a fast-moving tour through the biggest stories shaping the EMS profession. Drawing from the EMSIntel news log (now 3,849 stories as of the morning of recording), the trio connects what's making headlines to what EMS leaders are experiencing on the ground: unstable economics, governance pressure, system redesign and rising operational risk. The discussion lands on several recurring themes: economic sustainability as the dominant issue; the real-world politics of tax levies and “essential service” designations; the ongoing obsession with response times (and what they cost); preventable ambulance thefts escalating in severity; and the importance of measuring and publishing clinical outcomes and meaningful performance metrics. The through-line: communities are being forced into more honest conversations about what they can afford — and what EMS should look like going into 2026. | SHARE YOUR STORY: A call for real stories from the EMS field, station and beyond Memorable quotes “Having a thoughtful conversation about what your system needs to look like on the go forward is paramount.” — Rodney Dyche “If you don't talk about yourself, somebody else will, and then you don't control the narrative.” — Rob Lawrence “Our No. 1 focus really needs to be on the economic sustainability of these systems because we are past the breaking point.” — Matt Zavadsky “Response times equals speed; speed equals crashes.” — Rob Lawrence “These theft incidents are … in almost all cases, 100% preventable by an aftermarket device … probably for 100 or $150.” — Rodney Dyche “Response times are expensive. The shorter that you want your response times, the more money it's going to take.” — Matt Zavadsky “Across every provider type … the fee-for-service revenue is 50% to 60% below the cost of providing service. So when somebody says to you, ‘I can do this for free,' ask more questions.” — Matt Zavadsky “Response times are used as a cudgel.” — Rodney Dyche Episode timeline 01:11 – Rob introduces the end of 2025 reflection and 2026 look-ahead; welcomes Matt Zavadsky and Rodney Dyche for the second annual EMSIntel year-in-review. 02:26 – Rodney reports the EMSIntel log count (“3,849 as of this morning”); Rob explains EMSIntel's purpose: curating national EMS stories to identify themes and brief stakeholders. 04:13 – Matt names the year's biggest issue: economic sustainability; the fiscal model is broken and impacts everything else. 06:32 – Matt walks through the “AnyTown EMS” trajectory: communities can't sustain old models, must define service levels, use system intelligence, and redesign for a modern “2028 model.” 09:06 – Matt cites the Medicare/RAND cost collection findings and warns that fee-for-service revenue sits far below actual costs; “ask more questions” when someone promises “free.” 10:12 – The group discusses communities pursuing tax levies and essential-service framing; Rodney contrasts places that pass funding measures with places that don't, and highlights local politics and competing priorities. 11:52 – Matt clarifies that “essential service” means different things to the public versus statute; agencies need trust, transparency and real community education to succeed at the ballot box. 13:50 – Rodney describes the “cost of readiness” misunderstanding (public sees mileage, not readiness); Matt pushes proactive reporting (monthly/quarterly/annual) to build credibility. 15:35 – Matt pivots to response times: they're expensive, clinically relevant in a small fraction of cases, and should be approached with evidence-based expectations and better triage/EMD practices. 18:14 – Rodney connects hot responses to preventable intersection crashes and modern driver realities; the discussion frames safety risk as a growing operational storyline. 20:21 – Matt adds an editorial caution that crashes are not confined to any one sector; points to recent examples including serious injuries during responses. 22:37 – Rob returns to ambulance thefts; Rodney calls most thefts preventable; Matt argues the basic lock discipline exists already and presses for stronger accountability and accreditation-style best practice. 26:11 – Rob flags downstream legal and regulatory risk (litigation exposure after stolen-unit crashes; DEA-controlled substances security implications). 26:52 – Rodney raises staffing; notes fewer staffing stories than 2024 but questions whether the situation is truly better; mentions earn-to-learn pipeline concerns. 28:13 – Matt describes the shift toward tiered deployment and greater EMT utilization, reducing pressure to staff large numbers of paramedics for calls that don't require that level. 30:17 – Matt emphasizes outcomes and meaningful performance metrics; argues many systems still report the wrong measures and should lead with clinical metrics, patient experience, and quality indicators. 31:08 – Rodney reinforces that response times get weaponized in governance decisions; notes boards can be swayed by “advanced skills” narratives rather than outcome data. 33:25 – Forward-looking wrap: Matt highlights daily calls from communities that “can't afford this anymore” and urges leaders to seize the redesign opportunity; Rodney echoes the need for planning and honest community conversations. Additional resources: AAA & AIMHI EMS Media Log: EMS Intel Fast & spurious: America keeps losing ambulances and the fix is cheap Callouts, chaos and career killers: The biggest EMS stories of the year Enjoying EMS One-Stop? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest guests for future episodes. 

    From venomous bites to venomous behavior: A second helping of the top EMS stories of 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 26, 2025 29:23


    In this end-of-year special, Chris Cebollero and Kelly Grayson wrap 2025 with their trademark mix of humor, insight and zero sugarcoating. From venomous bites to venomous behavior, the Inside EMS duo continue counting down the top EMS stories that had the industry buzzing this year — and occasionally cringing. As always, the guys don't shy away from the tough stuff, but they make sure to end on a note of gratitude for the everyday EMS pros out there doing the job with compassion, competence and quiet heroism. Quotable takeaways “Every day, EMS providers go out there, do their jobs and bring some kindness and some comfort to a really bad day for their patients. And I think we need to look forward to more of that in 2026.” “Sometimes we've done things that maybe we shouldn't have, because it isn't in our scope of protocols, but I think we make a difference. Where's the line?” “Most of the advantages of mechanical CPR are not advantages at all.” The top EMS1 stories of 2025 Representatives Glenn Thompson and John Mannion introduced the EMS Counts Act Social Security Fairness Act signed into law, boosting retirement benefits for first responders Kentucky EMTs face KBEMS hearing for administering antivenom after mamba bite Elkhart firefighter appeals loss of paramedic duties after nurse's harassment complaint American Heart Association's 2025 CPR guidelines: Choking, opioids & survival chain Ill. city council makes $500 lift assist fee permanent Warren-Wentworth Ambulance shuts down after entire staff quits 'Shut the f**k up!': North Babylon Fire Chief Peter Alt on leave after video shows him cursing at patient Orange County fire chiefs demand removal of EMS director for halting blood transfusions, ketamine use Colo. paramedic charged with manslaughter after sedating, restraining man National EMS Advisory Council board members terminated Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest guests for an upcoming episode. 

    Callouts, chaos and career killers: The biggest EMS stories of the year

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 19, 2025 30:33


    In this special Christmas edition of the Inside EMS podcast, cohosts Chris Cebollero and Kelly Grayson unwrap five of the biggest EMS stories of 2025 — and it's not all eggnog and cheer. This year delivered more than its fair share of gut punches to the profession, from a paramedic who was charged with manslaughter, to footage of a fire chief yelling at a 10-year-old patient (yeah, that happened). Next week's show will break down the final five EMS stories of the year, but in 2026, we're flipping the spotlight. Chris and Kelly are calling on you to step up and share your real EMS stories — the funny, the frustrating, the calls that changed you. Got a moment that shaped your career? Our cohosts want to hear it, and you might even get an invite to appear on the podcast. ‘Tis the season to be heard; email theshow@ems1.com to share your story! Quotable takeaways “You're the grownup. You can't pitch a fit. You gotta be the grownup in the situation and diffuse it.” “If your only incentive for doing the right thing is that somebody might catch you being a jerk on video, then it's time for you to get out of the profession.” “The cost of readiness is hugely expensive.” Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest guests for future episodes. 

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    We deserve this: The Journey to a National EMS Memorial in D.C.

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 18, 2025 38:29


    In this episode of the EMS One-Stop podcast, host Rob Lawrence revisits an issue close to the heart of every EMS professional: creating a permanent National EMS Memorial in Washington, D.C. Rob is joined by Tony O'Brien and James Robinson from the National EMS Memorial Foundation to provide a clear, candid update on where the project stands, why it matters, and what still needs to be done. From the Weekend of Remembrance to the dream of a year-round place of solace and reverence in the nation's capital, this conversation lays out the long road from idea to reality — and why EMS, as James puts it, truly deserves this. Tony and James walk listeners through the 24-step federal Commemorative Works Act process, the hard work of narrowing 312 potential sites down to three, and the current push to reauthorize the Foundation's federal authority through House Resolution 2196 and Senate Bill 2546. They explain the preferred site in front of the Hubert H. Humphrey Building (HHS), the partnership with MIT's School of Architecture and Urban Risk Lab on a powerful design, and the practical realities of funding, sponsorship and bureaucracy. Most importantly, they end with a clear call to action for the EMS community: contact your elected officials, donate what you can, and help spread the word so that a permanent memorial to EMS can finally take its place in Washington, D.C. Additional resources EMS Memorial EMS Memorial Bills: HR 2196  S2546  2025 National EMS Weekend of Honor recognizes 29 fallen EMS workers ‘Never forgotten': 2025 Moving Honors procession honors 29 EMS providers lost in the line of duty Episode timeline 00:44 – Rob introduces the episode, sets the scene for a revisit of the National EMS Memorial effort, and welcomes guests Tony O'Brien and James Robinson. 01:30 – Tony and James share their backstories. 03:53 – Tony explains the origins of the Foundation at the Weekend of Remembrance/Weekend of Honor and the realization that EMS needs a permanent memorial people can visit year-round. 06:54 – James outlines the Commemorative Works Act, the 24-step process, and how the Foundation has reached step 15-16 over roughly 15 years. 07:54 – Tony details the grueling site-selection work: visiting 312 sites, environmental and noise studies, traffic and solitude considerations, and narrowing to three candidate locations. 10:48 – James describes the need for an Act of Congress to begin, Congressman Stephen Lynch's early sponsorship, and the 2018 authorization that started a 7-year clock — complicated by the pandemic and federal shutdowns. 13:12 – Tony explains how the initial authorization expired, the need for reauthorization and the most recent Senate subcommittee hearing on federal lands where James testified. 16:41 – James and Tony frame the new bills: Senate Bill 2546 and House Resolution 2196, their bipartisan sponsors and the push for more co-sponsors. 19:49 – Tony lays out the three-point call to action: contact Congress, donate via EMSMemorial.org, and follow/share @EMSMemorial on social media. 23:06 – Tony describes the three remaining sites and why Independence Ave. & 3rd St SW, in front of HHS, is the preferred location. 24:42 – Tony highlights the pro-bono design work by MIT's School of Architecture and Urban Risk Lab, and the deep engagement with providers, families and survivors. 26:32 – James explains the historical nexus of EMS with HEW/HHS and why the Humphrey Building plaza offers the right reverence, proximity to the Capitol and connection to EMS history. 29:01 – Tony and James discuss next steps: reauthorization first, then finalizing site and design to approach major sponsors with clear answers on location, look and cost — while acknowledging the project has been bootstrapped so far. 32:03 – Tony reassures donors: the Foundation is a 501(c)(3), the board are all volunteers with only necessary professional services paid from donations. 33:13 – Tony gives shout-outs to the National EMS Memorial Service and the National EMS Memorial Bike Ride, and explains how the three organizations' missions align. 37:12 – Rob recaps the journey, reinforces the call to action, and closes the show with thanks to Tony and James and a reminder to visit EMSMemorial.org and like/subscribe to EMS One-Stop. Rate & review the EMS One-Stop podcast Enjoying the show? Please take a moment to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts. Contact the EMS One-Stop team at editor@EMS1.com to share ideas, suggestions and feedback. Listen on Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, Spotify and RSS feed.

    Why avoiding tough talks is killing your credibility

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 5, 2025 29:05


    What do you do when someone on your team is struggling — and it's on you to say something? In this episode of the Inside EMS podcast, Chris Cebollero and Kelly Grayson dive headfirst into one of leadership's toughest challenges: holding people accountable without losing your humanity. This episode challenges leaders to ditch outdated progressive discipline models and start leading with clarity and empathy. Whether you're a seasoned supervisor or new to the hot seat, this one hits home. And if you've been avoiding a conversation, consider this your nudge to stop choosing comfort over your own integrity. Quotable takeaways “Firing people with compassion, managing your ego, their ego, admitting mistakes and just being human — these are the places where real leaders show up.” “One of the things I try to teach is that I don't fire anybody — I just process the paperwork. People fire themselves.” “EMS is a very egotistical business, and it's that ego that keeps us from asking questions. Because we don't want to look like we don't know what we're talking about in front of our peers.” Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest a guest!

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    Hyper-turbulent times: EMS economics and AI guardrails with Matt Zavadsky and Dr. Shannon Gollnick

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 3, 2025 27:25


    Recorded on the floor of the EMS|MC EMSpire Conference in Charleston, South Carolina, this episode of EMS One-Stop finds host Rob Lawrence in conversation with long-time collaborator and EMS advocate Matt Zavadsky. Fresh off the longest federal government shutdown in history, Rob and Matt unpack what the hyper-turbulence in Washington really means for EMS: suspended Medicare extenders, disrupted grant programs, agencies taking out loans just to meet payroll and training programs put on hold. They break down NAEMT's flash poll on the shutdown's impact, the promise of the Treatment in Place (TIP) legislation, and why associations “hunting as a pack” on Capitol Hill matters more than ever. Along the way, they spotlight EMSIntel.org as a national barometer of EMS funding, staffing and response time crises, and issue a clear call to action for providers, billers and leaders to use association tools to contact their members of Congress. | MORE: Government reopens: What EMS providers need to know right now In the second half, Rob is joined by Dr. Shannon Gollnick, paramedic, EMS leader and organizational psychologist, to explore how artificial intelligence is reshaping EMS — right now. Shannon makes the case that AI is “not the future; it is the present,” and that agency leaders must urgently build literacy, policies and guardrails around its use. They dig into the difference between HIPAA-compliant, embedded AI in ePCR systems, and risky open tools like ChatGPT, touching on hallucinations, embedded code and emerging Medicare fraud-detection programs. | MORE: Artificial to augmented intelligence. How Dr. Shannon Gollnick wants EMS to work smarter, not harder Rob and Shannon talk about AI as a powerful but potentially dangerous tool — “like having a tiger” — and outline practical steps for chiefs: Ask: “Do we have an AI policy?” Define what AI can and cannot be used for Insist that every AI-generated work product is double-checked by a human before it hits the record Memorable quotes “We weren't here to actually scare you off it. We're here to let you know that it's here, but it's like having a tiger, right? We all love to have a tiger, but it has to be contained in some sort of guard, otherwise it's going to run rife and cause havoc, and we don't want that.” — Rob Lawrence “This is part of the hyper-turbulence that's occurring in EMS right now.” — Matt Zavadsky “So I think the message for the profession right now is, now is not the time to put your foot on the brake. It's time to put your foot on the gas.” — Matt Zavadsky “We put the fun into function.” — Dr. Shannon Gollnick “I think it's important to understand that AI is not the future. It is the present. We are currently here right now. And it's nothing to be afraid of.” — Dr. Shannon Gollnick “If you're not doing it, I promise you that your staff is doing it and they're playing around with AI.” — Dr. Shannon Gollnick “Guardrails don't exist from a congressional standpoint. They don't exist from a regulatory standpoint. The technology is moving far too fast. So we as agency leaders have to take the lead in putting up some of those guardrails.” — Dr. Shannon Gollnick “There are ePCR software out there that are using proprietary AI that will use AI-generated narratives. And that absolutely is 100% good to go. What we don't want to see is our crews putting in their ChatGPT to have ChatGPT write their narrative.” — Dr. Shannon Gollnick “ChatGPT has embedded code inside of it that you can't see, but that code is there ... so what we're kind of afraid to do is to say, hey, what happens 6 months from now, 8 months from now when Medicare does an audit, they run your ePCRs and find all of this embedded code from ChatGPT ... you open yourself up for a lot of compliance issues.” — Dr. Shannon Gollnick Additional resources: EMS Intel EMS News Tracker American Ambulance Association Advocacy NAEMT Advocacy EMS shutdown survival: What leaders need to know now Charting the future: How AI is rewriting the EMS narrative Episode timeline: 00:21 – Rob introduces guest Matt Zavadsky 02:02 – Rob recaps the 40-plus-day federal government shutdown, questions about reopening, and his upcoming return to Capitol Hill for renewed advocacy 02:02 – Matt frames the shutdown as part of the “hyper turbulence” in EMS; explains the regulatory suspensions, pauses in Medicare extenders and grants, and how cash-flow uncertainty forced some agencies to take out loans just to make payroll 03:04 – Matt details NAEMT's flash poll (408 agency responses) showing suspended training and grant-funded programs, and warns of a possible repeat shutdown around January 30 03:54 – Rob and Matt discuss the reopening of government, ongoing bipartisan work, and the risk that everything “comes to a grinding halt” again if Congress can't agree 04:51 – Matt explains why NAEMT released the shutdown-impact poll even as government reopened and stresses the need to keep pushing for permanent relief from Medicare extenders and advancement of key bills like Treatment in Place (TIP) 06:03 – Matt outlines the House and Senate TIP companion bills and why Medicare paying for treatment in place is better for patients, EMS, the health system and the Medicare trust fund 06:54 – Rob notes broad association/provider support and professional lobbyists on the Hill; Matt stresses that field providers, administrators and billers must still use association legislative portals to send letters to Congress 08:08 – Matt describes a surge in communities reevaluating their EMS delivery models because of staffing, finance and subsidy challenges — “a great time to be an EMS consultant” 09:09 – Rob introduces EMSIntel.org as a curated clearinghouse of EMS news, used to show communities they aren't alone; describes failed tax measures and funding referenda 10:15 – Matt cites EMS Intel data: ~85% of stories each month involve funding, staffing or response times; Rob and Matt stress the ubiquity of these themes from big cities to small towns 11:09 – Rob highlights mutual aid tensions and taxpayers questioning why they “pay to send our resources somewhere else;” both emphasize that hyper-turbulence and funding gaps are national issues 13:23 – Rob resets the scene from the EMSpire conference and recaps Matt's Hill update before introducing Dr. Shannon Gollnick 14:41 – Shannon gives his backstory: in EMS since 1996, paramedic since 2002, progression into EMS leadership, doctorate in organizational psychology and focus on how organizations function 15:14 – “We put the fun into function.” 15:24 – Rob invites Shannon to talk AI, calling it “the specter we are embracing everywhere,” and references HIPAA concerns; Shannon opens with the core message: AI is not the future, it's the present, and nothing to be afraid of 16:03 – Shannon urges leaders to build AI literacy, noting that if agencies aren't using it, their staff and the younger generation already are 16:28 – Shannon emphasizes policy and procedure: AI guardrails aren't coming from Congress or regulators, so agency leaders must define how AI will be used and where its limits are 16:55 – Rob reminds listeners that AI in EMS isn't new, citing early monitor rhythm interpretation in the UK; Shannon underscores that crews already use AI tools and that unmanaged cut-and-paste practices can create billing and compliance risks 17:24 – Shannon explains the dangers of using open tools like ChatGPT for ePCR narratives: potential PHI exposure in a “black box” system and AI hallucinations generating plausible but false patient information 18:21 – Shannon describes how AI “wants to answer your question and make you happy,” leading to made-up details, and shares examples from testing minimal-input scenarios that returned overly detailed, inaccurate narratives. 19:03 – Shannon calls ChatGPT “kind of a snitch,” explaining embedded code markers that fraud detection tools — and increasingly Medicare's AI-based “Wiser” program — can use to identify AI-written content in documentation 19:59 – Shannon warns about retrospective audits and compliance exposure if ChatGPT-coded narratives are found in ePCRs, noting that AI rules are still emerging and tech is outrunning regulation 20:51 – Rob summarizes the mixed message: AI is here and being built into devices and software, but there are real dangers. They discuss data going “to the cloud” — which Shannon defines as “somebody else's computer.” 21:24 – Shannon frames AI as a powerful tool that can “put a lot of holes in the wall” if misused; he references fraudulent AI uses and deepfakes as emerging issues 22:05 – Shannon compares AI's impact to the internet's paradigm shift; Rob gives a “spoiler alert” about his own workflow using transcripts and ChatGPT agents, and notes the importance of reading and checking any AI-generated output 22:45 – Shannon reinforces that AI makes mistakes and cannot understand human context; he uses his “How you doing?” Joey Tribbiani vs. Tony Soprano example to illustrate contextual nuance 23:06 – Rob expands the context point with the “Friends”/“Sopranos” slide and reminds listeners that once AI-written words are published, “you said it.” Shannon highlights the WebMD effect and AI-driven self-diagnosis risks. 24:02 – They note that ChatGPT can generate long, complex diagnoses without sufficient patient context, leading to errant or misleading outcomes if misused clinically 25:00 – Rob summarizes: AI is here and, used correctly, is a good thing; advises chiefs to ask their teams, “Do we have an AI policy?” 25:27 – Shannon outlines what an AI policy should contain: acknowledgment that AI is here; clear, non-fearful framing; specificity on what decisions AI can support; and clarity on which tools (e.g., embedded EPCR AI) are allowed versus prohibited uses of ChatGPT 26:17 – Shannon stresses AI should not be used for clinical decision-making or clinical narrative writing; its role should be administrative only, and all outputs must be double-checked Enjoying the show? 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    Fire/EMS pay parity and a big helping of cranberry sauce

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 1, 2025 26:53


    This week on the Inside EMS podcast, we're passing the gravy and the hot takes. Cohosts Chris Cebollero and Kelly Grayson serve up a holiday plate full of EMS news — starting with FDNY's potential EMS split. They dig into what fair pay really looks like, why some EMTs are suing for what they're owed, and whether big hospital systems like Yale New Haven are reshaping the ambulance game for better or worse. Whether you're working a turkey-day shift or finally off duty, this episode hits hard and gives thanks where it's due. Quotable takeaways: “If you're gonna be in the EMS business, you've gotta be in the EMS business, right?” “One thing we need to do as leaders is to make sure we don't mess with people's money.” “If you're not giving adequate funding and attention to the EMS side of the house, then that's a recipe for trouble and it can't last.” Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest a guest for a future episode. 

    Whole blood, dual shocks and why the AHA still doesn't get us

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 21, 2025 30:52


    This week on the Inside EMS podcast, Dr. Peter Antevy returns for another round in the hot seat, and he's not holding back. In this jam-packed episode, he and host Chris Cebollero tackle trending topics in prehospital care — from the expanding role of whole blood and plasma, to the frustrating gaps in the AHA's 2025 guidelines. You'll hear real-world success stories (like the cardiac arrest survivor who's back on the tennis court), why dual sequential defibrillation (DSD) should already be your go-to, and the cost-benefit realities of starting a whole blood program. Dr. Antevy also dives into the science behind glycocalyx damage and how plasma could change how we treat sepsis, TBI and burns in the field. Whether you're a medic, medical director or just passionate about pushing EMS forward, this episode delivers practical insight, bold opinions and a whole lot of inspiration. Quotable takeaways from Dr. Antevy “The medical establishment does not understand the value of what EMS brings to the table. They don't understand the complexity.” “When we said, ‘We'll do the whole blood,' what did the surgeons do? They went up in arms: ‘What do you mean you're giving whole blood? Bring them to us. We'll give the whole blood.' No, no, no. We are part of the chain of survival, too.” “EMS is a subspecialty in the house of medicine. We all need to rise up to make the hospital folks and the academics aware that EMS is important for trauma, for stroke, for pediatrics, for cardiac. We are the ones who can help bring up those outcomes and that's why I love this field.” Additional resources:  AHA 2025 updates are here: Cue the overreactions and the protocol rewrites On-demand: Bringing whole blood to the front lines of EMS Stop the bleed, fill the tank – The New Orleans EMS blood program Whole blood in EMS promises a revolution in resuscitation Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback or suggest a guest for a future episode. 

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