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Voted by you guys as the funniest episode ever!Charlie Gubb is one of my all time favourite Warriors, not just because of the way he played on the field (even though he was an absolute animal) but more importantly because of how big of a lad that he is off it.Gubby is the kind of team mate everyone loves to have in the team environment, loves a yarn, loves banter and just loves being around the lads. What I didn't realise before going into this podcast was the incredible journey Rugby League took him on! Some of the interesting points were..How he made his own highlights package and posted it to all the NRL clubs to get his first opportunity,How he eventually worked his way into the Warriors and some classic stories from his time with them,Why he moved to the Raiders (another crazy story that) followed by a move to the UK,His battles with concussion and mental health,Why he walked out on his contract in the UK,and how he ended up starting up Wellingtons favourite porta loo company, Porta Kings.This is without a doubt one of the funniest episodes so far. I found myself laughing away through this episode at the time and then in the edit. At the end of this episode you'll realise why everyone regards the great Charlie Gubb as one of the all time great team mates. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The Wellington City Council has unveiled the full design for the changes to Courtenay Place, set to begin in April.In other news, Kinleith Mill has announced that 230 workers will lose their jobs due to a reduction in paper production operations.Tamatha Paul has raised questions about National's commitment to housing, leading to an interesting slip by Chris Bishop regarding the party's definition of social housing.We will also look at a powerful oral submission opposing the Oranga Tamariki (Responding to Serious Youth Offending) Amendment Bill, a potential gold rush in Otago, and Mariamenos' mokopuna bill. Additionally, we'll cover her speech during the second reading of the repeal of 7aa.As always, we'll bring you the latest memes, positive news stories, and an overview of upcoming government submissions.=================================Come support the work we're doing by becoming a Patron of #BHN www.patreon.com/BigHairyNews=================================Merch available at www.BHNShop.nz Like us on Facebookwww.facebook.com/BigHairyNews Follow us on Twitter.@patbrittenden @Chewie_NZFollow us on BlueskyPat @patbrittenden.bsky.socialChewie @chewienz.bsky.socialEmily @iamprettyawesome.bsky.socialMagenta @xkaosmagex.bsky.socialFollow us on BlueskyPat @patbrittenden.bsky.socialChewie @chewienz.bsky.socialEmily @iamprettyawesome.bsky.socialMagenta @xkaosmagex.bsky.social
Tonight on The Panel, Wallace Chapman and panellists Aimie Hines & Tim Batt discuss: a new class action lawsuit against Johnson & Johnson, and twenty healthy trees that are due to be felled in Christchurch. Plus on yesterdays show David Farrar claimed Auckland's cafe's are now better than Wellingtons. Is he right? Aimie Hines is a Senior consultant at public affairs agency Capital Tim Batt is an award-winning stand up comedian, podcaster and producer who co-founded the live events company, TAP Live and runs his own podcast network, Little Empire Podcasts [picture id="4KC1H0E_CU_Lorax_Shirley_Village_Facebook_page_jpg" crop="16x10" layout="full"]
In this high-flying episode of History Rage, host Paul Bavill is joined by Jane Gulliford Lowes, historian, author, and co-host of the "Never Mind the Dambusters" podcast, to dismantle the myth that the Lancaster bomber single-handedly won World War II. Jane takes us on a turbulent journey through the skies of the Second World War, passionately advocating for the often-overlooked Handley Page Halifax and other unsung aircraft of RAF Bomber Command. Prepare for a deep dive into the complex and multifaceted history of these wartime workhorses and get ready to challenge the narrow narratives perpetuated by popular media and historical oversights.Episode Highlights:- Jane Gulliford Lowes' Introduction: Jane shares her journey from a much-loathed legal career to becoming a historian and aviation enthusiast, driven by a childhood fascination with the Falklands War and a personal connection to RAF Bomber Command through her great uncle Jack Clyde.- The Lancaster Myth: Jane passionately debunks the notion that the Lancaster bomber won the war on its own, criticising the "Lancastrification" of World War II history and highlighting the vital roles played by other aircraft, particularly the Halifax.- The Halifax's Contributions: From strategic bombing to mine-laying operations, SOE missions, and supporting airborne operations, Jane details the extensive and varied contributions of the Halifax, arguing for its rightful place in the annals of aviation history.- Challenges and Improvements: Jane discusses the early issues faced by the Halifax, its subsequent improvements, and how it evolved to become a formidable aircraft by the time of the Mark III, which rivalled the Lancaster in terms of performance.- The Overlooked Heroes: Jane calls for a broader recognition of all the aircraft that contributed to the war effort, including the Hamdens, Stirlings, Wellingtons, and Blenheims, urging listeners to appreciate the full spectrum of Bomber Command.Connect with Jane Gulliford Lowes:- Grab a copy of Jane's book "Above Us the Stars" from The History Rage Bookshop- Follow Jane on Instagram @justcuriousjane and Twitter @LydiaJane13Support the Show:If you're fired up by this episode, consider joining the 'Angry Mob' on Patreon at patreon.com/historyrage for exclusive content, early access, and the iconic History Rage mug.Follow the Rage:- Twitter: @HistoryRage- Paul on Twitter: @PaulBavillStay Angry, Stay Informed - History Rage Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Vincent Chan and Steven Levitt (suddenly know as "The Fabulous Baker Boys") take the reins as the new hosts of this week's recap of Savoury Week from Season 8 of The Great Canadian Baking Show. While initially reluctant, Lisa and Cristina quickly embrace the opportunity to learn from the expertise of their new co-hosts.The first-ever Savoury Week showcases a vibrant array of Signature samosas, a tempting technical bake, and Wellingtons prepared in two unique styles, all evoking the comforts of home and introducing a new Star Baker (or Fryer?). Cheeseburger flavors, cream cheese, goat cheese, and a variety of eggs emerge more frequently than expected, adding an unexpected twist to the bakes. Meanwhile, a crucial decision to omit a component may be what leads to one baker's departure.As the episode unfolds, the quartet enjoy witty one-liners from several bakers; take note of the expanded role of the hosts this week; and explore the challenges of puff pastry, pondering the essential roles of prosciutto and crepes in a Wellington. Ultimately, a trio of nearly flawless bakes earns a well-deserved Star Baker title, wrapping up a delightfully sweet and savoury episode. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Plans to restore Wellington's iconic Band Rotunda on Oriental Parade have been ditched. Once a premiere hospitalitality venue, some residents now say it's an eye sore after closing more than a decade ago. The UFO-like building is perched on a premo spot on the water. However, by mutal agreement, the council and its chosen developer have decided terminate a deal to resusitate the Rotunda, because the patch up is too pricey and no-one is interested in leasing the building, developer Maurice Clark spoke to Lisa Owen.
Tonight on The Panel, Wallace Chapman and panellists Selwyn Manning & Lynda Hallinan discuss Wellingtons newest $550k bike rack, your favourite fruit trees and the big Alien conspiracy. Selwyn Manning is Managing Director & a Journalist at Multimedia Investments Limited. Lynda Hallinan is the former editor of NZ Gardener and an author.
Waar gaan Goooof & Gaut nu weer over? Welaan: over de aanstaande Schipholsluiting tussen twee en vier 's-middags! En over de nieuwe concurrenten voor de aloude zeven-drie en A-320. En over Fat Amy, natuurlijk. Altijd weer een goedbedoelde sneer naar onze nieuwe Fighter/Bomber, die het zo moeilijk heeft om de plek van de F-16 in onze Hollandse Harten over te nemen. Over ooit in de Zuiderzee gecrashte Wellingtons gaat het, met hun geodetische constructie, en over neergestorte Stirlings bij Arnhem. En over Yaks in de Ukraine. Over…eh....laat maar zitten dus? Of wekken al die onderwerpen toch weer enige nieuwsgierigheid? Bedenk wel: écht teleurgesteld bent u nog nooit. Ook dit keer niet. Beloven we. Luister maar.
For episode 7, we're talking about the essential lifeblood of our communities, our water infrastructure. Joining us for this discussion is Fraser Clark, Head of Three Waters Strategy at Wellington Water. This episode will have a particular focus on Wellington. We'll be getting into aspects of Wellingtons Three Waters Strategy, and some the key challenges Frasers team are talking to secure a sustainable water future for the city. In this episode we'll cover: Background into Frasers career experience Key objectives of Wellingtons Three Waters Strategy New Zealand's challenges with aging water infrastructure Wellingtons unique geography and exposure to natural hazards. Innovative solutions to improve Wellingtons network efficiency, water usage, and customer education on pricing. The latest on potential reforms to New Zealand's Three Waters. Massive thanks to Fraser for sharing, and all you listeners. Cal
This week, on Liss 'N Kristi:- A decade ago, Brett and his husband Ryan quit their jobs in marketing and publishing, swapped their lace-up office shoes for Crocs and Wellingtons, and headed for the Texas countryside. They launched and built what has since been named Three Dudes Farm, specializing in cultivating florals and foliage and supplying local florists and designers with locally-grown blooms and plants. (The "third Dude" is their son, born in 2017.) They're now launching an 'offshoot' initiative: curating breathtaking bouquets for individual subscribers. Their vision for their Montgomery, TX. farm is a community space of growing fields, educational gardens, artist cottages, and vibrant event venues. In this episode, as Brett walks through the property, we discuss how their business emphasizes not just flowers, but the entire ecosystem, preserving soil health, conserving water, supporting native plants, and fostering a thriving pollinator community. Brett talks openly about his mental health challenges and explains how gardening first revived his spirits. We hear about how they've accumulated many rescue dogs, cats, horses, and some sheep, goats, and chickens along the way. STORIES 00:00 Start00:11 Introducing Brett Chisholm and his passion for flowers00:45 What they're growing for summer 04:35 "Farmers don't connect with customers anymore" - barriers to entry into farming05:12 "People are ready for connection" 05:45 Brett talks about his vulnerability with mental health. "Growing flowers affected my turnaround."06:30 "You can't be a control freak in the garden."07:04 The support of local businesses, and creating a family experience07:40 Flowers bring joy08:50 Gardening as therapy 09:40 A whole bunch of rescued animals - journeys I've been on10:40 "I put $600 into this business and I never looked back."11:40 "I can be me, and I can be unique" 13:09 "I'm not the only one who is searching for meaning" 15:32 Dancing in the field16:28 Fresh flowers every month via subscription 17:45 Drought and rain18:34 What's next? Build a members' only center: "This is where you come to experience joy" 20:15 Teach other farmers how to market
Episode 90: Have you ever ridden your bicycle through the woods and heard the paper-crinkle sound of two husks of men stumbling over the detritus of a thousand seasons reaching towards your back wheel? And when you look back, you aren't even freaked out or concerned just completely bewildered by the spectacle because you've never seen such shells of men before with sunken eyes and lizard grey skin? And you quickly realize that these unfortunate entities are not after your bicycle wheels or brand new Wellingtons but are instead ravenous for your satchel of eggs which you have foolishly let hang down well below your waist? And although you can't be sure, you know if you bear witness to the consumption of these eggs by these two worthless wraiths, it just might make you so sick that you could never eat an egg again? Well if so, then this episode is a lot like that and you can rest assured that you've already been around the block and know what's about to go down. So give in to Episode 90 and celebrate another ten episodes with Albert and Ryan with a wee toast. We promise to get you back in bed by 8pm sharp where you can be as snug as a bug in a rug.
This week we talk to Catherine Tu'akalau. Catherine currently works as primary care NP and has a varied career providing care within New Zealand. Catherine also works internationally supporting overseas communities with their care of pacific populations as a technical project consultant. Catherine discusses her experiences as a pacific nurse practitioner, factors surrounding the individual nature of pacific healthcare, and her work in promoting NZ as a host for The International Nurse Practitioner conference. Hosts: Rochelle Eynon and Laura Painter Editor: Mitch Bullen Music: unstoppable by Pala
QUICK LISTEN | “Best thing for the rivalry…if they come in and snatch a couple of Wellingtons decent younger players…first matchup, if they happen to beat the Wellington Phoenix…” Ben Strang on Auckland F.C v Wellington Phoenix Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Derek is joined by Richard Collins, Niall Hatch, Matthew Jebb, Terry Flanagan and Michele Browne. Topics up for discussion include the Island of Lambay, Duke of Wellingtons tree, Sri Lanka, Cloncrow Bog and Shamrocks.
In places like Europe and South America the people rise up and protest when those in power abuse their positions, or let public infrastructure and assets fall in to disrepair. I fear Kiwis are too apathetic in this area, with the increasingly serious problems with Auckland and Wellingtons water systems becoming critical right under our eyes. It is time as citizens that we woke up and challenged those in power to get things done.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
The Battle of Britain is at its height. Spitfires and Hurricanes urgently need to get from the factories to the airfields and into the hands of ‘the Few'. Step forward Pauline Gower, a pioneering pilot of the 1930s, who alongside the 168 women who she brought into the Air Transport Auxiliary, would help ferry over 300,000 planes from where they were built to where they were needed. Tune in to hear Pauline's story as Oswin and Carla are joined – buckled up inside a Dakota troop carrier – by Jo Rogers, AKA instagram's magnificent @that.spitfire.bird. It's a tale of bravery, tragedy, grit and sheer bloody-minded determination in the face of slack-jawed armchair generals. There are appearances from the great Amy Johnson and Jacqueline Cochran, so strap in and prepare to be inspired.
Charlie Gubb is one of my all time favourite Warriors, not just because of the way he played on the field (even though he was an absolute animal) but more importantly because of how big of a lad that he is off it. Gubby is the kind of team mate everyone loves to have in the team environment, loves a yarn, loves banter and just loves being around the lads. What I didn't realise before going into this podcast was the incredible journey Rugby League took him on! Some of the interesting points were.. How he made his own highlights package and posted it to all the NRL clubs to get his first opportunity, How he eventually worked his way into the Warriors and some classic stories from his time with them, Why he moved to the Raiders (another crazy story that) followed by a move to the UK, His battles with concussion and mental health, Why he walked out on his contract in the UK, and how he ended up starting up Wellingtons favourite porta loo company, Porta Kings. This is deadset one of the funniest episodes so far. I found myself laughing away through this episode at the time and then in the edit. At the end of this episode you'll realise why everyone regards the great Charlie Gubb as one of the all time great team mates.
I trust that you will recall the stories from my RAF Logbook which had reached the point of my first Hornet deployment to New Zealand to work with the Kiwi A4 Skyhawks of No 75 Squadron Royal New Zealand Air Force at Ohakea. The squadron we were working with had a rich history and I was sure I was going to enjoy my time with them. 75 Sqn RNZAF formed with Wellingtons purchased by the New Zealand government 75 Sqn A4 Skyhawk The Kiwi Red formation team Inverted whilst in contact An A4 in combat firing rockets How to fly a flat scissors An FA18 pulls into the vertical The effectiveness of camouflage Low level Attacking a splash target The Hornet at night The disappearance of the hook was investigated The perp was arrested! 75 Sqn RNZAF was sadly disbanded Images shown under creative commons licence with thanks to the RAF, the New Zealand Defence Force, the USN, CNATRA, Bernardo Malfitano and Myself.
This week it's just the three amigos chopping it up and for that we are truly sorry. We also talked about Top Chef Season 20, Episode 11 "Battle of the Wellingtons". Top Chef talk starts at 36:00 ----more---- Subscribe for new episodes every Monday. Rate us 5 stars and let us know what you had for dinner last night in the review! This episode was edited by Bryan A Jackson. The Pod Chef theme song was produced and performed by Jeff Ray. Pod Chef Links Follow us on Instagram and Twitter - @podchefpodcast Follow Bryan on Instagram - @bjacksonininaction Follow Jamal on Instagram - @hell0newman Our intro was produced and performed by Jeff Ray - https://www.instagram.com/jeffrayfilms/
The chefs must conserve water and make a million Wellingtons on this week's Top Chef (S20 E11). It's a double elimination, and we don't want to see anyone go!Watch the recap here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/crappens-on-5057-83229065See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
ESPN's Mina Kimes drops by Pack Your Knives for a recap of the Beef Wellington episode. Kevin, Mina and Tom wrap themselves up in the drama, investigate the mystical origins of the Beef Wellington and discuss the double-elimination choices by the judges. Plus, we gawk at a particular chef during a "candid" moment while Kevin offers a scouting report on the Kimpton hotels across the country. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
ESPN's Mina Kimes drops by Pack Your Knives for a recap of the Beef Wellington episode. Kevin, Mina and Tom wrap themselves up in the drama, investigate the mystical origins of the Beef Wellington and discuss the double-elimination choices by the judges. Plus, we gawk at a particular chef during a "candid" moment while Kevin offers a scouting report on the Kimpton hotels across the country. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Episode 164: “ You couldn't have the shark in JAWS in the snow!”THE GREAT DEBATE: Joseph adjudicates long-held debates between Jim and George from the previous 150 plus shows. Also discussed are the best fake bands in television and movies.· I want to own a squadron of tanks!· Is it possible that Jim didn't know he was hosting a podcast along ?· What is the name of the tune that the cantina band played in Star Wars?· Who's second grade teacher played The Beatles' ABBEY ROAD in class to shut them up?· Which Grammy Award winning artist wrote many of the songs for Scott Pilgrim's fake band?· Who are the members of the River Bottom Nightmare Band?· Which podcast host is accused of being a ‘combaphobe'?· Which mockumentary did actress Bea Arthur say was her all-time favorite movie?· Which movie did John Lennon refuse to give back?· Jim insults both English artist Roger Dean and Yes guitarist Steve Howe.· Which television show did the real band, The Wellingtons have a guest appearance on as well as sang the theme song to?For once and for all – Is 1968 Planet of the Apes a dystopian tale or not?
Josh Thomson joins the boys to talk Prostate checks and Wellingtons speakeasy scene.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
So this is Christmas....and what have you done?....sent a bunch of issues into the Agony Uncles, that's what! In this festive episode, Uncle Si actually wears a Christmas jumper...sort of, Uncle Dave is full of cheer, Posh Tash has advice for all and The Thin White Duke is connected to the mains....don't try this at home. They'll all help with advice for Annoying Gran's, Wellingtons, Springy Tins & Odd-Habit-Partners! From all of us on the Agony Uncles, we wish you a very Merry Christmas! Keep those problems coming to AgonyUncles@TheHairyBikers.co.uk. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode one hundred and fifty-eight of A History of Rock Music in Five Hundred Songs looks at “White Rabbit”, Jefferson Airplane, and the rise of the San Francisco sound. Click the full post to read liner notes, links to more information, and a transcript of the episode. Patreon backers also have a twenty-three-minute bonus episode available, on "Omaha" by Moby Grape. Tilt Araiza has assisted invaluably by doing a first-pass edit, and will hopefully be doing so from now on. Check out Tilt's irregular podcasts at http://www.podnose.com/jaffa-cakes-for-proust and http://sitcomclub.com/ Erratum I refer to Back to Methuselah by Robert Heinlein. This is of course a play by George Bernard Shaw. What I meant to say was Methuselah's Children. Resources I hope to upload a Mixcloud tomorrow, and will edit it in, but have had some problems with the site today. Jefferson Airplane's first four studio albums, plus a 1968 live album, can be found in this box set. I've referred to three main books here. Got a Revolution!: The Turbulent Flight of Jefferson Airplane by Jeff Tamarkin is written with the co-operation of the band members, but still finds room to criticise them. Jefferson Airplane On Track by Richard Molesworth is a song-by-song guide to the band's music. And Been So Long: My Life and Music by Jorma Kaukonen is Kaukonen's autobiography. Some information on Skip Spence and Matthew Katz also comes from What's Big and Purple and Lives in the Ocean?: The Moby Grape Story, by Cam Cobb, which I also used for this week's bonus. Patreon This podcast is brought to you by the generosity of my backers on Patreon. Why not join them? Transcript Before I start, I need to confess an important and hugely embarrassing error in this episode. I've only ever seen Marty Balin's name written down, never heard it spoken, and only after recording the episode, during the editing process, did I discover I mispronounce it throughout. It's usually an advantage for the podcast that I get my information from books rather than TV documentaries and the like, because they contain far more information, but occasionally it causes problems like that. My apologies. Also a brief note that this episode contains some mentions of racism, antisemitism, drug and alcohol abuse, and gun violence. One of the themes we've looked at in recent episodes is the way the centre of the musical world -- at least the musical world as it was regarded by the people who thought of themselves as hip in the mid-sixties -- was changing in 1967. Up to this point, for a few years there had been two clear centres of the rock and pop music worlds. In the UK, there was London, and any British band who meant anything had to base themselves there. And in the US, at some point around 1963, the centre of the music industry had moved West. Up to then it had largely been based in New York, and there was still a thriving industry there as of the mid sixties. But increasingly the records that mattered, that everyone in the country had been listening to, had come out of LA Soul music was, of course, still coming primarily from Detroit and from the Country-Soul triangle in Tennessee and Alabama, but when it came to the new brand of electric-guitar rock that was taking over the airwaves, LA was, up until the first few months of 1967, the only city that was competing with London, and was the place to be. But as we heard in the episode on "San Francisco", with the Monterey Pop Festival all that started to change. While the business part of the music business remained centred in LA, and would largely remain so, LA was no longer the hip place to be. Almost overnight, jangly guitars, harmonies, and Brian Jones hairstyles were out, and feedback, extended solos, and droopy moustaches were in. The place to be was no longer LA, but a few hundred miles North, in San Francisco -- something that the LA bands were not all entirely happy about: [Excerpt: The Mothers of Invention, "Who Needs the Peace Corps?"] In truth, the San Francisco music scene, unlike many of the scenes we've looked at so far in this series, had rather a limited impact on the wider world of music. Bands like Jefferson Airplane, the Grateful Dead, and Big Brother and the Holding Company were all both massively commercially successful and highly regarded by critics, but unlike many of the other bands we've looked at before and will look at in future, they didn't have much of an influence on the bands that would come after them, musically at least. Possibly this is because the music from the San Francisco scene was always primarily that -- music created by and for a specific group of people, and inextricable from its context. The San Francisco musicians were defining themselves by their geographical location, their peers, and the situation they were in, and their music was so specifically of the place and time that to attempt to copy it outside of that context would appear ridiculous, so while many of those bands remain much loved to this day, and many made some great music, it's very hard to point to ways in which that music influenced later bands. But what they did influence was the whole of rock music culture. For at least the next thirty years, and arguably to this day, the parameters in which rock musicians worked if they wanted to be taken seriously – their aesthetic and political ideals, their methods of collaboration, the cultural norms around drug use and sexual promiscuity, ideas of artistic freedom and authenticity, the choice of acceptable instruments – in short, what it meant to be a rock musician rather than a pop, jazz, country, or soul artist – all those things were defined by the cultural and behavioural norms of the San Francisco scene between about 1966 and 68. Without the San Francisco scene there's no Woodstock, no Rolling Stone magazine, no Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, no hippies, no groupies, no rock stars. So over the next few months we're going to take several trips to the Bay Area, and look at the bands which, for a brief time, defined the counterculture in America. The story of Jefferson Airplane -- and unlike other bands we've looked at recently, like The Pink Floyd and The Buffalo Springfield, they never had a definite article at the start of their name to wither away like a vestigial organ in subsequent years -- starts with Marty Balin. Balin was born in Ohio, but was a relatively sickly child -- he later talked about being autistic, and seems to have had the chronic illnesses that so often go with neurodivergence -- so in the hope that the dry air would be good for his chest his family moved to Arizona. Then when his father couldn't find work there, they moved further west to San Francisco, in the Haight-Ashbury area, long before that area became the byword for the hippie movement. But it was in LA that he started his music career, and got his surname. Balin had been named Marty Buchwald as a kid, but when he was nineteen he had accompanied a friend to LA to visit a music publisher, and had ended up singing backing vocals on her demos. While he was there, he had encountered the arranger Jimmy Haskell. Haskell was on his way to becoming one of the most prominent arrangers in the music industry, and in his long career he would go on to do arrangements for Bobby Gentry, Blondie, Steely Dan, Simon and Garfunkel, and many others. But at the time he was best known for his work on Ricky Nelson's hits: [Excerpt: Ricky Nelson, "Hello Mary Lou"] Haskell thought that Marty had the makings of a Ricky Nelson style star, as he was a good-looking young man with a decent voice, and he became a mentor for the young man. Making the kind of records that Haskell arranged was expensive, and so Haskell suggested a deal to him -- if Marty's father would pay for studio time and musicians, Haskell would make a record with him and find him a label to put it out. Marty's father did indeed pay for the studio time and the musicians -- some of the finest working in LA at the time. The record, released under the name Marty Balin, featured Jack Nitzsche on keyboards, Earl Palmer on drums, Milt Jackson on vibraphone, Red Callender on bass, and Glen Campbell and Barney Kessell on guitars, and came out on Challenge Records, a label owned by Gene Autry: [Excerpt: Marty Balin, "Nobody But You"] Neither that, nor Balin's follow-up single, sold a noticeable amount of copies, and his career as a teen idol was over before it had begun. Instead, as many musicians of his age did, he decided to get into folk music, joining a vocal harmony group called the Town Criers, who patterned themselves after the Weavers, and performed the same kind of material that every other clean-cut folk vocal group was performing at the time -- the kind of songs that John Phillips and Steve Stills and Cass Elliot and Van Dyke Parks and the rest were all performing in their own groups at the same time. The Town Criers never made any records while they were together, but some archival recordings of them have been released over the decades: [Excerpt: The Town Criers, "900 Miles"] The Town Criers split up, and Balin started performing as a solo folkie again. But like all those other then-folk musicians, Balin realised that he had to adapt to the K/T-event level folk music extinction that happened when the Beatles hit America like a meteorite. He had to form a folk-rock group if he wanted to survive -- and given that there were no venues for such a group to play in San Francisco, he also had to start a nightclub for them to play in. He started hanging around the hootenannies in the area, looking for musicians who might form an electric band. The first person he decided on was a performer called Paul Kantner, mainly because he liked his attitude. Kantner had got on stage in front of a particularly drunk, loud, crowd, and performed precisely half a song before deciding he wasn't going to perform in front of people like that and walking off stage. Kantner was the only member of the new group to be a San Franciscan -- he'd been born and brought up in the city. He'd got into folk music at university, where he'd also met a guitar player named Jorma Kaukonen, who had turned him on to cannabis, and the two had started giving music lessons at a music shop in San Jose. There Kantner had also been responsible for booking acts at a local folk club, where he'd first encountered acts like Mother McCree's Uptown Jug Champions, a jug band which included Jerry Garcia, Pigpen McKernan, and Bob Weir, who would later go on to be the core members of the Grateful Dead: [Excerpt: Mother McCree's Uptown Jug Champions, "In the Jailhouse Now"] Kantner had moved around a bit between Northern and Southern California, and had been friendly with two other musicians on the Californian folk scene, David Crosby and Roger McGuinn. When their new group, the Byrds, suddenly became huge, Kantner became aware of the possibility of doing something similar himself, and so when Marty Balin approached him to form a band, he agreed. On bass, they got in a musician called Bob Harvey, who actually played double bass rather than electric, and who stuck to that for the first few gigs the group played -- he had previously been in a band called the Slippery Rock String Band. On drums, they brought in Jerry Peloquin, who had formerly worked for the police, but now had a day job as an optician. And on vocals, they brought in Signe Toley -- who would soon marry and change her name to Signe Anderson, so that's how I'll talk about her to avoid confusion. The group also needed a lead guitarist though -- both Balin and Kantner were decent rhythm players and singers, but they needed someone who was a better instrumentalist. They decided to ask Kantner's old friend Jorma Kaukonen. Kaukonen was someone who was seriously into what would now be called Americana or roots music. He'd started playing the guitar as a teenager, not like most people of his generation inspired by Elvis or Buddy Holly, but rather after a friend of his had shown him how to play an old Carter Family song, "Jimmy Brown the Newsboy": [Excerpt: The Carter Family, "Jimmy Brown the Newsboy"] Kaukonen had had a far more interesting life than most of the rest of the group. His father had worked for the State Department -- and there's some suggestion he'd worked for the CIA -- and the family had travelled all over the world, staying in Pakistan, the Philippines, and Finland. For most of his childhood, he'd gone by the name Jerry, because other kids beat him up for having a foreign name and called him a Nazi, but by the time he turned twenty he was happy enough using his birth name. Kaukonen wasn't completely immune to the appeal of rock and roll -- he'd formed a rock band, The Triumphs, with his friend Jack Casady when he was a teenager, and he loved Ricky Nelson's records -- but his fate as a folkie had been pretty much sealed when he went to Antioch College. There he met up with a blues guitarist called Ian Buchanan. Buchanan never had much of a career as a professional, but he had supposedly spent nine years studying with the blues and ragtime guitar legend Rev. Gary Davis, and he was certainly a fine guitarist, as can be heard on his contribution to The Blues Project, the album Elektra put out of white Greenwich Village musicians like John Sebastian and Dave Van Ronk playing old blues songs: [Excerpt: Ian Buchanan, "The Winding Boy"] Kaukonen became something of a disciple of Buchanan -- he said later that Buchanan probably taught him how to play because he was such a terrible player and Buchanan couldn't stand to listen to it -- as did John Hammond Jr, another student at Antioch at the same time. After studying at Antioch, Kaukonen started to travel around, including spells in Greenwich Village and in the Philippines, before settling in Santa Clara, where he studied for a sociology degree and became part of a social circle that included Dino Valenti, Jerry Garcia, and Billy Roberts, the credited writer of "Hey Joe". He also started performing as a duo with a singer called Janis Joplin. Various of their recordings from this period circulate, mostly recorded at Kaukonen's home with the sound of his wife typing in the background while the duo rehearse, as on this performance of an old Bessie Smith song: [Excerpt: Jorma Kaukonen and Janis Joplin, "Nobody Loves You When You're Down and Out"] By 1965 Kaukonen saw himself firmly as a folk-blues purist, who would not even think of playing rock and roll music, which he viewed with more than a little contempt. But he allowed himself to be brought along to audition for the new group, and Ken Kesey happened to be there. Kesey was a novelist who had written two best-selling books, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest and Sometimes A Great Notion, and used the financial independence that gave him to organise a group of friends who called themselves the Merry Pranksters, who drove from coast to coast and back again in a psychedelic-painted bus, before starting a series of events that became known as Acid Tests, parties at which everyone was on LSD, immortalised in Tom Wolfe's book The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. Nobody has ever said why Kesey was there, but he had brought along an Echoplex, a reverb unit one could put a guitar through -- and nobody has explained why Kesey, who wasn't a musician, had an Echoplex to hand. But Kaukonen loved the sound that he could get by putting his guitar through the device, and so for that reason more than any other he decided to become an electric player and join the band, going out and buying a Rickenbacker twelve-string and Vox Treble Booster because that was what Roger McGuinn used. He would later also get a Guild Thunderbird six-string guitar and a Standel Super Imperial amp, following the same principle of buying the equipment used by other guitarists he liked, as they were what Zal Yanovsky of the Lovin' Spoonful used. He would use them for all his six-string playing for the next couple of years, only later to discover that the Lovin' Spoonful despised them and only used them because they had an endorsement deal with the manufacturers. Kaukonen was also the one who came up with the new group's name. He and his friends had a running joke where they had "Bluesman names", things like "Blind Outrage" and "Little Sun Goldfarb". Kaukonen's bluesman name, given to him by his friend Steve Talbot, had been Blind Thomas Jefferson Airplane, a reference to the 1920s blues guitarist Blind Lemon Jefferson: [Excerpt: Blind Lemon Jefferson, "Match Box Blues"] At the band meeting where they were trying to decide on a name, Kaukonen got frustrated at the ridiculous suggestions that were being made, and said "You want a stupid name? Howzabout this... Jefferson Airplane?" He said in his autobiography "It was one of those rare moments when everyone in the band agreed, and that was that. I think it was the only band meeting that ever allowed me to come away smiling." The newly-named Jefferson Airplane started to rehearse at the Matrix Club, the club that Balin had decided to open. This was run with three sound engineer friends, who put in the seed capital for the club. Balin had stock options in the club, which he got by trading a share of the band's future earnings to his partners, though as the group became bigger he eventually sold his stock in the club back to his business partners. Before their first public performance, they started working with a manager, Matthew Katz, mostly because Katz had access to a recording of a then-unreleased Bob Dylan song, "Lay Down Your Weary Tune": [Excerpt: Bob Dylan, "Lay Down Your Weary Tune"] The group knew that the best way for a folk-rock band to make a name for themselves was to perform a Dylan song nobody else had yet heard, and so they agreed to be managed by Katz. Katz started a pre-publicity blitz, giving out posters, badges, and bumper stickers saying "Jefferson Airplane Loves You" all over San Francisco -- and insisting that none of the band members were allowed to say "Hello" when they answered the phone any more, they had to say "Jefferson Airplane Loves You!" For their early rehearsals and gigs, they were performing almost entirely cover versions of blues and folk songs, things like Fred Neil's "The Other Side of This Life" and Dino Valenti's "Get Together" which were the common currency of the early folk-rock movement, and songs by their friends, like one called "Flower Bomb" by David Crosby, which Crosby now denies ever having written. They did start writing the odd song, but at this point they were more focused on performance than on writing. They also hired a press agent, their friend Bill Thompson. Thompson was friends with the two main music writers at the San Francisco Chronicle, Ralph Gleason, the famous jazz critic, who had recently started also reviewing rock music, and John Wasserman. Thompson got both men to come to the opening night of the Matrix, and both gave the group glowing reviews in the Chronicle. Record labels started sniffing around the group immediately as a result of this coverage, and according to Katz he managed to get a bidding war started by making sure that when A&R men came to the club there were always two of them from different labels, so they would see the other person and realise they weren't the only ones interested. But before signing a record deal they needed to make some personnel changes. The first member to go was Jerry Peloquin, for both musical and personal reasons. Peloquin was used to keeping strict time and the other musicians had a more free-flowing idea of what tempo they should be playing at, but also he had worked for the police while the other members were all taking tons of illegal drugs. The final break with Peloquin came when he did the rest of the group a favour -- Paul Kantner's glasses broke during a rehearsal, and as Peloquin was an optician he offered to take them back to his shop and fix them. When he got back, he found them auditioning replacements for him. He beat Kantner up, and that was the end of Jerry Peloquin in Jefferson Airplane. His replacement was Skip Spence, who the group had met when he had accompanied three friends to the Matrix, which they were using as a rehearsal room. Spence's friends went on to be the core members of Quicksilver Messenger Service along with Dino Valenti: [Excerpt: Quicksilver Messenger Service, "Dino's Song"] But Balin decided that Spence looked like a rock star, and told him that he was now Jefferson Airplane's drummer, despite Spence being a guitarist and singer, not a drummer. But Spence was game, and learned to play the drums. Next they needed to get rid of Bob Harvey. According to Harvey, the decision to sack him came after David Crosby saw the band rehearsing and said "Nice song, but get rid of the bass player" (along with an expletive before the word bass which I can't say without incurring the wrath of Apple). Crosby denies ever having said this. Harvey had started out in the group on double bass, but to show willing he'd switched in his last few gigs to playing an electric bass. When he was sacked by the group, he returned to double bass, and to the Slippery Rock String Band, who released one single in 1967: [Excerpt: The Slippery Rock String Band, "Tule Fog"] Harvey's replacement was Kaukonen's old friend Jack Casady, who Kaukonen knew was now playing bass, though he'd only ever heard him playing guitar when they'd played together. Casady was rather cautious about joining a rock band, but then Kaukonen told him that the band were getting fifty dollars a week salary each from Katz, and Casady flew over from Washington DC to San Francisco to join the band. For the first few gigs, he used Bob Harvey's bass, which Harvey was good enough to lend him despite having been sacked from the band. Unfortunately, right from the start Casady and Kantner didn't get on. When Casady flew in from Washington, he had a much more clean-cut appearance than the rest of the band -- one they've described as being nerdy, with short, slicked-back, side-parted hair and a handlebar moustache. Kantner insisted that Casady shave the moustache off, and he responded by shaving only one side, so in profile on one side he looked clean-shaven, while from the other side he looked like he had a full moustache. Kantner also didn't like Casady's general attitude, or his playing style, at all -- though most critics since this point have pointed to Casady's bass playing as being the most interesting and distinctive thing about Jefferson Airplane's style. This lineup seems to have been the one that travelled to LA to audition for various record companies -- a move that immediately brought the group a certain amount of criticism for selling out, both for auditioning for record companies and for going to LA at all, two things that were already anathema on the San Francisco scene. The only audition anyone remembers them having specifically is one for Phil Spector, who according to Kaukonen was waving a gun around during the audition, so he and Casady walked out. Around this time as well, the group performed at an event billed as "A Tribute to Dr. Strange", organised by the radical hippie collective Family Dog. Marvel Comics, rather than being the multi-billion-dollar Disney-owned corporate juggernaut it is now, was regarded as a hip, almost underground, company -- and around this time they briefly started billing their comics not as comics but as "Marvel Pop Art Productions". The magical adventures of Dr. Strange, Master of the Mystic Arts, and in particular the art by far-right libertarian artist Steve Ditko, were regarded as clear parallels to both the occult dabblings and hallucinogen use popular among the hippies, though Ditko had no time for either, following as he did an extreme version of Ayn Rand's Objectivism. It was at the Tribute to Dr. Strange that Jefferson Airplane performed for the first time with a band named The Great Society, whose lead singer, Grace Slick, would later become very important in Jefferson Airplane's story: [Excerpt: The Great Society, "Someone to Love"] That gig was also the first one where the band and their friends noticed that large chunks of the audience were now dressing up in costumes that were reminiscent of the Old West. Up to this point, while Katz had been managing the group and paying them fifty dollars a week even on weeks when they didn't perform, he'd been doing so without a formal contract, in part because the group didn't trust him much. But now they were starting to get interest from record labels, and in particular RCA Records desperately wanted them. While RCA had been the label who had signed Elvis Presley, they had otherwise largely ignored rock and roll, considering that since they had the biggest rock star in the world they didn't need other ones, and concentrating largely on middle-of-the-road acts. But by the mid-sixties Elvis' star had faded somewhat, and they were desperate to get some of the action for the new music -- and unlike the other major American labels, they didn't have a reciprocal arrangement with a British label that allowed them to release anything by any of the new British stars. The group were introduced to RCA by Rod McKuen, a songwriter and poet who later became America's best-selling poet and wrote songs that sold over a hundred million copies. At this point McKuen was in his Jacques Brel phase, recording loose translations of the Belgian songwriter's songs with McKuen translating the lyrics: [Excerpt: Rod McKuen, "Seasons in the Sun"] McKuen thought that Jefferson Airplane might be a useful market for his own songs, and brought the group to RCA. RCA offered Jefferson Airplane twenty-five thousand dollars to sign with them, and Katz convinced the group that RCA wouldn't give them this money without them having signed a management contract with him. Kaukonen, Kantner, Spence, and Balin all signed without much hesitation, but Jack Casady didn't yet sign, as he was the new boy and nobody knew if he was going to be in the band for the long haul. The other person who refused to sign was Signe Anderson. In her case, she had a much better reason for refusing to sign, as unlike the rest of the band she had actually read the contract, and she found it to be extremely worrying. She did eventually back down on the day of the group's first recording session, but she later had the contract renegotiated. Jack Casady also signed the contract right at the start of the first session -- or at least, he thought he'd signed the contract then. He certainly signed *something*, without having read it. But much later, during a court case involving the band's longstanding legal disputes with Katz, it was revealed that the signature on the contract wasn't Casady's, and was badly forged. What he actually *did* sign that day has never been revealed, to him or to anyone else. Katz also signed all the group as songwriters to his own publishing company, telling them that they legally needed to sign with him if they wanted to make records, and also claimed to RCA that he had power of attorney for the band, which they say they never gave him -- though to be fair to Katz, given the band members' habit of signing things without reading or understanding them, it doesn't seem beyond the realms of possibility that they did. The producer chosen for the group's first album was Tommy Oliver, a friend of Katz's who had previously been an arranger on some of Doris Day's records, and whose next major act after finishing the Jefferson Airplane album was Trombones Unlimited, who released records like "Holiday for Trombones": [Excerpt: Trombones Unlimited, "Holiday For Trombones"] The group weren't particularly thrilled with this choice, but were happier with their engineer, Dave Hassinger, who had worked on records like "Satisfaction" by the Rolling Stones, and had a far better understanding of the kind of music the group were making. They spent about three months recording their first album, even while continually being attacked as sellouts. The album is not considered their best work, though it does contain "Blues From an Airplane", a collaboration between Spence and Balin: [Excerpt: Jefferson Airplane, "Blues From an Airplane"] Even before the album came out, though, things were starting to change for the group. Firstly, they started playing bigger venues -- their home base went from being the Matrix club to the Fillmore, a large auditorium run by the promoter Bill Graham. They also started to get an international reputation. The British singer-songwriter Donovan released a track called "The Fat Angel" which namechecked the group: [Excerpt: Donovan, "The Fat Angel"] The group also needed a new drummer. Skip Spence decided to go on holiday to Mexico without telling the rest of the band. There had already been some friction with Spence, as he was very eager to become a guitarist and songwriter, and the band already had three songwriting guitarists and didn't really see why they needed a fourth. They sacked Spence, who went on to form Moby Grape, who were also managed by Katz: [Excerpt: Moby Grape, "Omaha"] For his replacement they brought in Spencer Dryden, who was a Hollywood brat like their friend David Crosby -- in Dryden's case he was Charlie Chaplin's nephew, and his father worked as Chaplin's assistant. The story normally goes that the great session drummer Earl Palmer recommended Dryden to the group, but it's also the case that Dryden had been in a band, the Heartbeats, with Tommy Oliver and the great blues guitarist Roy Buchanan, so it may well be that Oliver had recommended him. Dryden had been primarily a jazz musician, playing with people like the West Coast jazz legend Charles Lloyd, though like most jazzers he would slum it on occasion by playing rock and roll music to pay the bills. But then he'd seen an early performance by the Mothers of Invention, and realised that rock music could have a serious artistic purpose too. He'd joined a band called The Ashes, who had released one single, the Jackie DeShannon song "Is There Anything I Can Do?" in December 1965: [Excerpt: The Ashes, "Is There Anything I Can Do?"] The Ashes split up once Dryden left the group to join Jefferson Airplane, but they soon reformed without him as The Peanut Butter Conspiracy, who hooked up with Gary Usher and released several albums of psychedelic sunshine pop. Dryden played his first gig with the group at a Republican Party event on June the sixth, 1966. But by the time Dryden had joined, other problems had become apparent. The group were already feeling like it had been a big mistake to accede to Katz's demands to sign a formal contract with him, and Balin in particular was getting annoyed that he wouldn't let the band see their finances. All the money was getting paid to Katz, who then doled out money to the band when they asked for it, and they had no idea if he was actually paying them what they were owed or not. The group's first album, Jefferson Airplane Takes Off, finally came out in September, and it was a comparative flop. It sold well in San Francisco itself, selling around ten thousand copies in the area, but sold basically nothing anywhere else in the country -- the group's local reputation hadn't extended outside their own immediate scene. It didn't help that the album was pulled and reissued, as RCA censored the initial version of the album because of objections to the lyrics. The song "Runnin' Round This World" was pulled off the album altogether for containing the word "trips", while in "Let Me In" they had to rerecord two lines -- “I gotta get in, you know where" was altered to "You shut the door now it ain't fair" and "Don't tell me you want money" became "Don't tell me it's so funny". Similarly in "Run Around" the phrase "as you lay under me" became "as you stay here by me". Things were also becoming difficult for Anderson. She had had a baby in May and was not only unhappy with having to tour while she had a small child, she was also the band member who was most vocally opposed to Katz. Added to that, her husband did not get on well at all with the group, and she felt trapped between her marriage and her bandmates. Reports differ as to whether she quit the band or was fired, but after a disastrous appearance at the Monterey Jazz Festival, one way or another she was out of the band. Her replacement was already waiting in the wings. Grace Slick, the lead singer of the Great Society, had been inspired by going to one of the early Jefferson Airplane gigs. She later said "I went to see Jefferson Airplane at the Matrix, and they were making more money in a day than I made in a week. They only worked for two or three hours a night, and they got to hang out. I thought 'This looks a lot better than what I'm doing.' I knew I could more or less carry a tune, and I figured if they could do it I could." She was married at the time to a film student named Jerry Slick, and indeed she had done the music for his final project at film school, a film called "Everybody Hits Their Brother Once", which sadly I can't find online. She was also having an affair with Jerry's brother Darby, though as the Slicks were in an open marriage this wasn't particularly untoward. The three of them, with a couple of other musicians, had formed The Great Society, named as a joke about President Johnson's programme of the same name. The Great Society was the name Johnson had given to his whole programme of domestic reforms, including civil rights for Black people, the creation of Medicare and Medicaid, the creation of the National Endowment for the Arts, and more. While those projects were broadly popular among the younger generation, Johnson's escalation of the war in Vietnam had made him so personally unpopular that even his progressive domestic programme was regarded with suspicion and contempt. The Great Society had set themselves up as local rivals to Jefferson Airplane -- where Jefferson Airplane had buttons saying "Jefferson Airplane Loves You!" the Great Society put out buttons saying "The Great Society Really Doesn't Like You Much At All". They signed to Autumn Records, and recorded a song that Darby Slick had written, titled "Someone to Love" -- though the song would later be retitled "Somebody to Love": [Excerpt: The Great Society, "Someone to Love"] That track was produced by Sly Stone, who at the time was working as a producer for Autumn Records. The Great Society, though, didn't like working with Stone, because he insisted on them doing forty-five takes to try to sound professional, as none of them were particularly competent musicians. Grace Slick later said "Sly could play any instrument known to man. He could have just made the record himself, except for the singers. It was kind of degrading in a way" -- and on another occasion she said that he *did* end up playing all the instruments on the finished record. "Someone to Love" was put out as a promo record, but never released to the general public, and nor were any of the Great Society's other recordings for Autumn Records released. Their contract expired and they were let go, at which point they were about to sign to Mercury Records, but then Darby Slick and another member decided to go off to India for a while. Grace's marriage to Jerry was falling apart, though they would stay legally married for several years, and the Great Society looked like it was at an end, so when Grace got the offer to join Jefferson Airplane to replace Signe Anderson, she jumped at the chance. At first, she was purely a harmony singer -- she didn't take over any of the lead vocal parts that Anderson had previously sung, as she had a very different vocal style, and instead she just sang the harmony parts that Anderson had sung on songs with other lead vocalists. But two months after the album they were back in the studio again, recording their second album, and Slick sang lead on several songs there. As well as the new lineup, there was another important change in the studio. They were still working with Dave Hassinger, but they had a new producer, Rick Jarrard. Jarrard was at one point a member of the folk group The Wellingtons, who did the theme tune for "Gilligan's Island", though I can't find anything to say whether or not he was in the group when they recorded that track: [Excerpt: The Wellingtons, "The Ballad of Gilligan's Island"] Jarrard had also been in the similar folk group The Greenwood County Singers, where as we heard in the episode on "Heroes and Villains" he replaced Van Dyke Parks. He'd also released a few singles under his own name, including a version of Parks' "High Coin": [Excerpt: Rick Jarrard, "High Coin"] While Jarrard had similar musical roots to those of Jefferson Airplane's members, and would go on to produce records by people like Harry Nilsson and The Family Tree, he wasn't any more liked by the band than their previous producer had been. So much so, that a few of the band members have claimed that while Jarrard is the credited producer, much of the work that one would normally expect to be done by a producer was actually done by their friend Jerry Garcia, who according to the band members gave them a lot of arranging and structural advice, and was present in the studio and played guitar on several tracks. Jarrard, on the other hand, said categorically "I never met Jerry Garcia. I produced that album from start to finish, never heard from Jerry Garcia, never talked to Jerry Garcia. He was not involved creatively on that album at all." According to the band, though, it was Garcia who had the idea of almost doubling the speed of the retitled "Somebody to Love", turning it into an uptempo rocker: [Excerpt: Jefferson Airplane, "Somebody to Love"] And one thing everyone is agreed on is that it was Garcia who came up with the album title, when after listening to some of the recordings he said "That's as surrealistic as a pillow!" It was while they were working on the album that was eventually titled Surrealistic Pillow that they finally broke with Katz as their manager, bringing Bill Thompson in as a temporary replacement. Or at least, it was then that they tried to break with Katz. Katz sued the group over their contract, and won. Then they appealed, and they won. Then Katz appealed the appeal, and the Superior Court insisted that if he wanted to appeal the ruling, he had to put up a bond for the fifty thousand dollars the group said he owed them. He didn't, so in 1970, four years after they sacked him as their manager, the appeal was dismissed. Katz appealed the dismissal, and won that appeal, and the case dragged on for another three years, at which point Katz dragged RCA Records into the lawsuit. As a result of being dragged into the mess, RCA decided to stop paying the group their songwriting royalties from record sales directly, and instead put the money into an escrow account. The claims and counterclaims and appeals *finally* ended in 1987, twenty years after the lawsuits had started and fourteen years after the band had stopped receiving their songwriting royalties. In the end, the group won on almost every point, and finally received one point three million dollars in back royalties and seven hundred thousand dollars in interest that had accrued, while Katz got a small token payment. Early in 1967, when the sessions for Surrealistic Pillow had finished, but before the album was released, Newsweek did a big story on the San Francisco scene, which drew national attention to the bands there, and the first big event of what would come to be called the hippie scene, the Human Be-In, happened in Golden Gate Park in January. As the group's audience was expanding rapidly, they asked Bill Graham to be their manager, as he was the most business-minded of the people around the group. The first single from the album, "My Best Friend", a song written by Skip Spence before he quit the band, came out in January 1967 and had no more success than their earlier recordings had, and didn't make the Hot 100. The album came out in February, and was still no higher than number 137 on the charts in March, when the second single, "Somebody to Love", was released: [Excerpt: Jefferson Airplane, "Somebody to Love"] That entered the charts at the start of April, and by June it had made number five. The single's success also pushed its parent album up to number three by August, just behind the Beatles' Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and the Monkees' Headquarters. The success of the single also led to the group being asked to do commercials for Levis jeans: [Excerpt: Jefferson Airplane, "Levis commercial"] That once again got them accused of selling out. Abbie Hoffman, the leader of the Yippies, wrote to the Village Voice about the commercials, saying "It summarized for me all the doubts I have about the hippie philosophy. I realise they are just doing their 'thing', but while the Jefferson Airplane grooves with its thing, over 100 workers in the Levi Strauss plant on the Tennessee-Georgia border are doing their thing, which consists of being on strike to protest deplorable working conditions." The third single from the album, "White Rabbit", came out on the twenty-fourth of June, the day before the Beatles recorded "All You Need is Love", nine days after the release of "See Emily Play", and a week after the group played the Monterey Pop Festival, to give you some idea of how compressed a time period we've been in recently. We talked in the last episode about how there's a big difference between American and British psychedelia at this point in time, because the political nature of the American counterculture was determined by the fact that so many people were being sent off to die in Vietnam. Of all the San Francisco bands, though, Jefferson Airplane were by far the least political -- they were into the culture part of the counterculture, but would often and repeatedly disavow any deeper political meaning in their songs. In early 1968, for example, in a press conference, they said “Don't ask us anything about politics. We don't know anything about it. And what we did know, we just forgot.” So it's perhaps not surprising that of all the American groups, they were the one that was most similar to the British psychedelic groups in their influences, and in particular their frequent references to children's fantasy literature. "White Rabbit" was a perfect example of this. It had started out as "White Rabbit Blues", a song that Slick had written influenced by Alice in Wonderland, and originally performed by the Great Society: [Excerpt: The Great Society, "White Rabbit"] Slick explained the lyrics, and their association between childhood fantasy stories and drugs, later by saying "It's an interesting song but it didn't do what I wanted it to. What I was trying to say was that between the ages of zero and five the information and the input you get is almost indelible. In other words, once a Catholic, always a Catholic. And the parents read us these books, like Alice in Wonderland where she gets high, tall, and she takes mushrooms, a hookah, pills, alcohol. And then there's The Wizard of Oz, where they fall into a field of poppies and when they wake up they see Oz. And then there's Peter Pan, where if you sprinkle white dust on you, you could fly. And then you wonder why we do it? Well, what did you read to me?" While the lyrical inspiration for the track was from Alice in Wonderland, the musical inspiration is less obvious. Slick has on multiple occasions said that the idea for the music came from listening to Miles Davis' album "Sketches of Spain", and in particular to Davis' version of -- and I apologise for almost certainly mangling the Spanish pronunciation badly here -- "Concierto de Aranjuez", though I see little musical resemblance to it myself. [Excerpt: Miles Davis, "Concierto de Aranjuez"] She has also, though, talked about how the song was influenced by Ravel's "Bolero", and in particular the way the piece keeps building in intensity, starting softly and slowly building up, rather than having the dynamic peaks and troughs of most music. And that is definitely a connection I can hear in the music: [Excerpt: Ravel, "Bolero"] Jefferson Airplane's version of "White Rabbit", like their version of "Somebody to Love", was far more professional, far -- and apologies for the pun -- slicker than The Great Society's version. It's also much shorter. The version by The Great Society has a four and a half minute instrumental intro before Slick's vocal enters. By contrast, the version on Surrealistic Pillow comes in at under two and a half minutes in total, and is a tight pop song: [Excerpt: Jefferson Airplane, "White Rabbit"] Jack Casady has more recently said that the group originally recorded the song more or less as a lark, because they assumed that all the drug references would mean that RCA would make them remove the song from the album -- after all, they'd cut a song from the earlier album because it had a reference to a trip, so how could they possibly allow a song like "White Rabbit" with its lyrics about pills and mushrooms? But it was left on the album, and ended up making the top ten on the pop charts, peaking at number eight: [Excerpt: Jefferson Airplane, "White Rabbit"] In an interview last year, Slick said she still largely lives off the royalties from writing that one song. It would be the last hit single Jefferson Airplane would ever have. Marty Balin later said "Fame changes your life. It's a bit like prison. It ruined the band. Everybody became rich and selfish and self-centred and couldn't care about the band. That was pretty much the end of it all. After that it was just working and living the high life and watching the band destroy itself, living on its laurels." They started work on their third album, After Bathing at Baxter's, in May 1967, while "Somebody to Love" was still climbing the charts. This time, the album was produced by Al Schmitt. Unlike the two previous producers, Schmitt was a fan of the band, and decided the best thing to do was to just let them do their own thing without interfering. The album took months to record, rather than the weeks that Surrealistic Pillow had taken, and cost almost ten times as much money to record. In part the time it took was because of the promotional work the band had to do. Bill Graham was sending them all over the country to perform, which they didn't appreciate. The group complained to Graham in business meetings, saying they wanted to only play in big cities where there were lots of hippies. Graham pointed out in turn that if they wanted to keep having any kind of success, they needed to play places other than San Francisco, LA, New York, and Chicago, because in fact most of the population of the US didn't live in those four cities. They grudgingly took his point. But there were other arguments all the time as well. They argued about whether Graham should be taking his cut from the net or the gross. They argued about Graham trying to push for the next single to be another Grace Slick lead vocal -- they felt like he was trying to make them into just Grace Slick's backing band, while he thought it made sense to follow up two big hits with more singles with the same vocalist. There was also a lawsuit from Balin's former partners in the Matrix, who remembered that bit in the contract about having a share in the group's income and sued for six hundred thousand dollars -- that was settled out of court three years later. And there were interpersonal squabbles too. Some of these were about the music -- Dryden didn't like the fact that Kaukonen's guitar solos were getting longer and longer, and Balin only contributed one song to the new album because all the other band members made fun of him for writing short, poppy, love songs rather than extended psychedelic jams -- but also the group had become basically two rival factions. On one side were Kaukonen and Casady, the old friends and virtuoso instrumentalists, who wanted to extend the instrumental sections of the songs more to show off their playing. On the other side were Grace Slick and Spencer Dryden, the two oldest members of the group by age, but the most recent people to join. They were also unusual in the San Francisco scene for having alcohol as their drug of choice -- drinking was thought of by most of the hippies as being a bit classless, but they were both alcoholics. They were also sleeping together, and generally on the side of shorter, less exploratory, songs. Kantner, who was attracted to Slick, usually ended up siding with her and Dryden, and this left Balin the odd man out in the middle. He later said "I got disgusted with all the ego trips, and the band was so stoned that I couldn't even talk to them. Everybody was in their little shell". While they were still working on the album, they released the first single from it, Kantner's "The Ballad of You and Me and Pooneil". The "Pooneil" in the song was a figure that combined two of Kantner's influences: the Greenwich Village singer-songwriter Fred Neil, the writer of "Everybody's Talkin'" and "Dolphins"; and Winnie the Pooh. The song contained several lines taken from A.A. Milne's children's stories: [Excerpt: Jefferson Airplane, "The Ballad of You and Me and Pooneil"] That only made number forty-two on the charts. It was the last Jefferson Airplane single to make the top fifty. At a gig in Bakersfield they got arrested for inciting a riot, because they encouraged the crowd to dance, even though local by-laws said that nobody under sixteen was allowed to dance, and then they nearly got arrested again after Kantner's behaviour on the private plane they'd chartered to get them back to San Francisco that night. Kantner had been chain-smoking, and this annoyed the pilot, who asked Kantner to put his cigarette out, so Kantner opened the door of the plane mid-flight and threw the lit cigarette out. They'd chartered that plane because they wanted to make sure they got to see a new group, Cream, who were playing the Fillmore: [Excerpt: Cream, "Strange Brew"] After seeing that, the divisions in the band were even wider -- Kaukonen and Casady now *knew* that what the band needed was to do long, extended, instrumental jams. Cream were the future, two-minute pop songs were the past. Though they weren't completely averse to two-minute pop songs. The group were recording at RCA studios at the same time as the Monkees, and members of the two groups would often jam together. The idea of selling out might have been anathema to their *audience*, but the band members themselves didn't care about things like that. Indeed, at one point the group returned from a gig to the mansion they were renting and found squatters had moved in and were using their private pool -- so they shot at the water. The squatters quickly moved on. As Dryden put it "We all -- Paul, Jorma, Grace, and myself -- had guns. We weren't hippies. Hippies were the people that lived on the streets down in Haight-Ashbury. We were basically musicians and art school kids. We were into guns and machinery" After Bathing at Baxter's only went to number seventeen on the charts, not a bad position but a flop compared to their previous album, and Bill Graham in particular took this as more proof that he had been right when for the last few months he'd been attacking the group as self-indulgent. Eventually, Slick and Dryden decided that either Bill Graham was going as their manager, or they were going. Slick even went so far as to try to negotiate a solo deal with Elektra Records -- as the voice on the hits, everyone was telling her she was the only one who mattered anyway. David Anderle, who was working for the label, agreed a deal with her, but Jac Holzman refused to authorise the deal, saying "Judy Collins doesn't get that much money, why should Grace Slick?" The group did fire Graham, and went one further and tried to become his competitors. They teamed up with the Grateful Dead to open a new venue, the Carousel Ballroom, to compete with the Fillmore, but after a few months they realised they were no good at running a venue and sold it to Graham. Graham, who was apparently unhappy with the fact that the people living around the Fillmore were largely Black given that the bands he booked appealed to mostly white audiences, closed the original Fillmore, renamed the Carousel the Fillmore West, and opened up a second venue in New York, the Fillmore East. The divisions in the band were getting worse -- Kaukonen and Casady were taking more and more speed, which was making them play longer and faster instrumental solos whether or not the rest of the band wanted them to, and Dryden, whose hands often bled from trying to play along with them, definitely did not want them to. But the group soldiered on and recorded their fourth album, Crown of Creation. This album contained several songs that were influenced by science fiction novels. The most famous of these was inspired by the right-libertarian author Robert Heinlein, who was hugely influential on the counterculture. Jefferson Airplane's friends the Monkees had already recorded a song based on Heinlein's The Door Into Summer, an unintentionally disturbing novel about a thirty-year-old man who falls in love with a twelve-year-old girl, and who uses a combination of time travel and cryogenic freezing to make their ages closer together so he can marry her: [Excerpt: The Monkees, "The Door Into Summer"] Now Jefferson Airplane were recording a song based on Heinlein's most famous novel, Stranger in a Strange Land. Stranger in a Strange Land has dated badly, thanks to its casual homophobia and rape-apologia, but at the time it was hugely popular in hippie circles for its advocacy of free love and group marriages -- so popular that a religion, the Church of All Worlds, based itself on the book. David Crosby had taken inspiration from it and written "Triad", a song asking two women if they'll enter into a polygamous relationship with him, and recorded it with the Byrds: [Excerpt: The Byrds, "Triad"] But the other members of the Byrds disliked the song, and it was left unreleased for decades. As Crosby was friendly with Jefferson Airplane, and as members of the band were themselves advocates of open relationships, they recorded their own version with Slick singing lead: [Excerpt: Jefferson Airplane, "Triad"] The other song on the album influenced by science fiction was the title track, Paul Kantner's "Crown of Creation". This song was inspired by The Chrysalids, a novel by the British writer John Wyndham. The Chrysalids is one of Wyndham's most influential novels, a post-apocalyptic story about young children who are born with mutant superpowers and have to hide them from their parents as they will be killed if they're discovered. The novel is often thought to have inspired Marvel Comics' X-Men, and while there's an unpleasant eugenic taste to its ending, with the idea that two species can't survive in the same ecological niche and the younger, "superior", species must outcompete the old, that idea also had a lot of influence in the counterculture, as well as being a popular one in science fiction. Kantner's song took whole lines from The Chrysalids, much as he had earlier done with A.A. Milne: [Excerpt: Jefferson Airplane, "Crown of Creation"] The Crown of Creation album was in some ways a return to the more focused songwriting of Surrealistic Pillow, although the sessions weren't without their experiments. Slick and Dryden collaborated with Frank Zappa and members of the Mothers of Invention on an avant-garde track called "Would You Like a Snack?" (not the same song as the later Zappa song of the same name) which was intended for the album, though went unreleased until a CD box set decades later: [Excerpt: Grace Slick and Frank Zappa, "Would You Like a Snack?"] But the finished album was generally considered less self-indulgent than After Bathing at Baxter's, and did better on the charts as a result. It reached number six, becoming their second and last top ten album, helped by the group's appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show in September 1968, a month after it came out. That appearance was actually organised by Colonel Tom Parker, who suggested them to Sullivan as a favour to RCA Records. But another TV appearance at the time was less successful. They appeared on the Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, one of the most popular TV shows among the young, hip, audience that the group needed to appeal to, but Slick appeared in blackface. She's later said that there was no political intent behind this, and that she was just trying the different makeup she found in the dressing room as a purely aesthetic thing, but that doesn't really explain the Black power salute she gives at one point. Slick was increasingly obnoxious on stage, as her drinking was getting worse and her relationship with Dryden was starting to break down. Just before the Smothers Brothers appearance she was accused at a benefit for the Whitney Museum of having called the audience "filthy Jews", though she has always said that what she actually said was "filthy jewels", and she was talking about the ostentatious jewellery some of the audience were wearing. The group struggled through a performance at Altamont -- an event we will talk about in a future episode, so I won't go into it here, except to say that it was a horrifying experience for everyone involved -- and performed at Woodstock, before releasing their fifth studio album, Volunteers, in 1969: [Excerpt: Jefferson Airplane, "Volunteers"] That album made the top twenty, but was the last album by the classic lineup of the band. By this point Spencer Dryden and Grace Slick had broken up, with Slick starting to date Kantner, and Dryden was also disappointed at the group's musical direction, and left. Balin also left, feeling sidelined in the group. They released several more albums with varying lineups, including at various points their old friend David Frieberg of Quicksilver Messenger Service, the violinist Papa John Creach, and the former drummer of the Turtles, Johnny Barbata. But as of 1970 the group's members had already started working on two side projects -- an acoustic band called Hot Tuna, led by Kaukonen and Casady, which sometimes also featured Balin, and a project called Paul Kantner's Jefferson Starship, which also featured Slick and had recorded an album, Blows Against the Empire, the second side of which was based on the Robert Heinlein novel Back to Methuselah, and which became one of the first albums ever nominated for science fiction's Hugo Awards: [Excerpt: Jefferson Starship, "Have You Seen The Stars Tonite"] That album featured contributions from David Crosby and members of the Grateful Dead, as well as Casady on two tracks, but in 1974 when Kaukonen and Casady quit Jefferson Airplane to make Hot Tuna their full-time band, Kantner, Slick, and Frieberg turned Jefferson Starship into a full band. Over the next decade, Jefferson Starship had a lot of moderate-sized hits, with a varying lineup that at one time or another saw several members, including Slick, go and return, and saw Marty Balin back with them for a while. In 1984, Kantner left the group, and sued them to stop them using the Jefferson Starship name. A settlement was reached in which none of Kantner, Slick, Kaukonen, or Casady could use the words "Jefferson" or "Airplane" in their band-names without the permission of all the others, and the remaining members of Jefferson Starship renamed their band just Starship -- and had three number one singles in the late eighties with Slick on lead, becoming far more commercially successful than their precursor bands had ever been: [Excerpt: Starship, "We Built This City on Rock & Roll"] Slick left Starship in 1989, and there was a brief Jefferson Airplane reunion tour, with all the classic members but Dryden, but then Slick decided that she was getting too old to perform rock and roll music, and decided to retire from music and become a painter, something she's stuck to for more than thirty years. Kantner and Balin formed a new Jefferson Starship, called Jefferson Starship: The Next Generation, but Kantner died in January 2016, coincidentally on the same day as Signe Anderson, who had occasionally guested with her old bandmates in the new version of the band. Balin, who had quit the reunited Jefferson Starship due to health reasons, died two years later. Dryden had died in 2005. Currently, there are three bands touring that descend directly from Jefferson Airplane. Hot Tuna still continue to perform, there's a version of Starship that tours featuring one original member, Mickey Thomas, and the reunited Jefferson Starship still tour, led by David Frieberg. Grace Slick has given the latter group her blessing, and even co-wrote one song on their most recent album, released in 2020, though she still doesn't perform any more. Jefferson Airplane's period in the commercial spotlight was brief -- they had charting singles for only a matter of months, and while they had top twenty albums for a few years after their peak, they really only mattered to the wider world during that brief period of the Summer of Love. But precisely because their period of success was so short, their music is indelibly associated with that time. To this day there's nothing as evocative of summer 1967 as "White Rabbit", even for those of us who weren't born then. And while Grace Slick had her problems, as I've made very clear in this episode, she inspired a whole generation of women who went on to be singers themselves, as one of the first prominent women to sing lead with an electric rock band. And when she got tired of doing that, she stopped, and got on with her other artistic pursuits, without feeling the need to go back and revisit the past for ever diminishing returns. One might only wish that some of her male peers had followed her example.
Hoy en la portada del programa, el primer disco navideño del año. Tinsel And Lights es el nuevo álbum en solitario de Tracey Thorn, y que está dedicado por completo a la Navidad. Una de las primeras recomendaciones de la temporada de nuestro colaborador Antirock es una banda de Los Angeles llamada Sweater Girls, que acaban de publicar su álbum de debut, twee pop con voces femeninas muy al estilo c86. El regreso de Susanna Hoffs con un nuevo álbum en solitario también ocupa su espacio en nuestro programa. Comentamos la gira española de los australianos The Wellingtons, una de las bandas favoritas del popchef de Ya No Puedo Más, y pinchamos la canción que da título a su último ep, Hey Hey. Y por supuesto seguimos enganchados a los últimos discos de artistas como Jens Lekman o Dylan Mondegreen.
Remember, we welcome comments, questions and suggested topics at thewonderpodcastQs@gmail.com S3E32 TRANSCRIPT:----more---- Yucca: Welcome back to The Wonder: Science Based Paganism. I'm one of your host Yucca. Mark: And I'm the other one, Mark. Yucca: And today we are talking about transitioning into the autumn or the fall. That sort of nesting and collecting of your acorns, metaphoric and, and all of that. Mark: Yeah, because. I mean, if you're like us, the autumn is a, a really lovely time. It's just, it's a time to be enjoyed for so many different reasons. And as pagans who like sort of the products of nature, right. There's a lot of stuff out there. There's leaves and there's. Pine cones and there's late flowers. And of course there's all the stuff pouring out of the gardens. so there's just, there's a lot of opportunity to decorate and celebrate and kind of button things up for winter around our homes. So that's what we're gonna talk about. Yucca: Right. Well, and there's also a lot of those practical things that we're doing that are a wonderful opportunity to invite more meaning and ritual into our lives as we're doing those things anyways. Right. Mark: Yes. Yes. Yucca: So Mark: Yeah. I mean all that food preparation stuff that, I mean, it's practical, right? Because it's food preparation, but it's, it's pretty witchy stuff. When, when you, when you get down to it, you know, the brewing and the pickling and the drying and all that stuff, it's all very witchy. Yucca: Yeah, well, and, and even things also like you're switching out, you're bringing your sweaters out, right. Bringing those out and, and going through and making sure the moths didn't get into them and putting the there's the heavier blankets on the bed and, and all of those sorts of things, you know, there's, there was an episode we did. Few years back at this point about the kind, bringing the magic into things we talked about. Like, you know, when you're putting the shampoo on your head, it's not just shampoo, but it's your, your magical potion of charisma or whatever it is. You know, there's so much of that, that this time of year, I think there's just a opportunity for, Mark: Yeah. There's at, at least in the temperate zone, there's so much of a sense of transition. There's kind of a magic in the air. The weather is changing. The character of the light is changing. It won't be long before. In most places. Daylight savings thing changes. So the whole sense of the length of the day changes and that's just a really ripe canvas for for doing our creative ritual activity around Yucca: Yeah. So last week we did talk about the Equinox. But there, are there any things that you have been doing? Since then in the, in the last week or so, or things that you will be doing that fit in with this transition theme that we're talking about? Mark: Well, one thing that I did was my Northern California atheopagan affinity group, which calls itself the live Oak circle went camping last weekend. And that was really cool to, you know, to do, to do an Equinox ritual in person with people. And we're still getting to know one another and still kind of feeling our way. So, you know, that, that will, that will mature over time, but it's really a lovely group of people. Very diverse, very interesting. And I just, I had a wonderful time And so that was something that I, I did for the Equinox season that I'm really happy about. Go ahead. Yucca: is, is camping during the winter a, a possibility, or is this really your last camp of the, the year? Mark: It's a possibility, but you're gonna get rained on Yucca: Okay. Mark: and I don't mind snow for camping very much because it's dryer. Yucca: Mm-hmm Mark: But rain can really be a pain. Yeah. I mean, it's, everything's all muddy and it, it can really be a pain. But that said the I've gone camping in say February, which is the wet month of the year for us. And it's been glorious. It's, I've gone out to the coast. The, the waves are all stormy and there are not many people out there because it's not tourist season. So you can really have a wonderful experience doing that. Yucca: Mm. Nice. Mark: Yeah. Yucca: And I'm sorry. I think I had cut you off. You were starting to say something else as well. Mark: Probably, but I have no idea what it was now. So that's something that I did. And my partner NAIA brought home a an armature for a reef. This made out of grape vines this week that we're going to put seasonal things on and hang on our door. So that's another thing that hasn't been done yet, but will be we have to go out and collect some leaves and pine cones and things like that. Because it's just, the leaves are just starting to turn here. I mean, week before last, we had. We had temperatures from the high nineties to 117 over a space of about seven days. Yucca: so hot. Mark: And so now I think the trees are figuring out that, okay, we're done with that now. It's it's time to start shutting down. Yucca: Right. And some of that is, is cued by the light more than the temperature. It depends on the species, but the, the light can really play a role in, in what they're doing. Mark: Mm-hmm Yucca: Hmm. Well, we don't have a lot of trees that do change in the autumn. We have a few but for the most part, you can still feel it in the air here. But the flowers have really changed. This is the end of our monsoon season. So we had a lot of. Flowers. And this past week, the, the kiddos and I went out and just gathered a whole bunch of flowers. And we had a dear friend with us as well, who showed the kids how to leave the, the flowers and they made flower crowns. And even though that's something that is more associated with spring, On like a larger level for us, it's more of a fall thing because that's when we actually have the flowers, right. We have like some little tiny things in the spring, but they're just, but usually the, the end of winter is very dry for us. Right. When we do get snows, it's more in, in the beginning of win, like more in a January, February time. But by the time we get into March and April, there's not much moisture. So there really isn't a lot in the spring, but in the autumn, we've got these All kinds of MOS and sunflowers and Veria and all of these beautiful things to, to weave in and add. And we were talking about be before we started recording, I was showing mark the, the photos from it. And mark, you suggested, and I love this idea of putting, if you had leaves putting leaves in doing leave crowns. You know, the cone pine cones and, and whatever it is, that's in your environment. That is, that is fall or autumn for you. Mark: Sure. Yeah. I mean, one idea that you could do as a part of your Equinox celebration actually would be to have to crown like an autumn king and an autumn queen or autumn royalty of whatever gender, Yucca: Mm-hmm. Mark: To kind of oversee the feast. Right. And it'd be really cute if those were kids. Yucca: Yes, Mark: so Yucca: the kids with, with flower crowns and leaf crowns is just cute. Just too cute. Mark: you bet. So that's, that's something else that you could do, theoretically. I. I mean, there's, there's so much that's so aesthetically pleasing about this time of the year to bring it into your house and make it clear that there's less of a division between inside and outside, I think is something that can be really valuable for us. Yucca: yeah. Some of that, depending on how far north or how far cold your climate gets. It is a little bit of a last chance this time of year for some of the outdoor stuff, because when the snows do come, when the bitter cold does come, there's a lot more of that. Just staying nestled inside. So I think of this a lot as like a nesting time getting ready, right? Just like that's what I see the animals outside doing the ones that stay here. We still have a few that have not left. I saw some hummingbirds today and I'm going, Hey. Get going get going. You're not gonna like it here. But the ones that, that stay here, you know, all of our little rodents and the Jays and things they're busy as can be right now, just packing away their cheeks, full the Jays. It's so funny. They can have multiple, we leave sunflower seeds out for. Which they've now planted everywhere. But they can fit multiple ones in their beak at once. So you'll see them going by with like three or four seeds in one beak and then the, all the squirrels and chipmunks with their faces just stuffed full of whatever it is that they can find. Mark: Nice Yucca: and so I, I kind of feel like that, right. Just stuffing, you know, it's time to stuff, things in, but it's a good time also for a fall clean. We have a spring cleaning as a Mark: Mm, Yucca: in the larger culture, but it's a good time to do that. Fall cleaning and clean out all this stuff from summer, that's gone. Right? You're getting rid of that stuff. You don't need that anymore. And bring out, you know, bring out the things that you do. What are your, the boots, if you're in a, I'm sure this is for your environment. You probably have some big boots. The rain boots Mark: nice rubber Wellingtons. Yeah. Yucca: You know, maybe put those flip flops away, bring out the wellies. Mark: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And I, I think of it this way. We're gonna be spending a lot more time indoors now. Yucca: Mm-hmm Mark: Uh, going forward for the next six months or so. Right. Because the conditions are going to get more inhospitable outside. So let's make the inside a place we wanna be, you know, let's make it cozy and comfortable and pretty and practical and all those different kinds of dimensions of what makes a real home. Yucca: mm-hmm yeah. Mark: And there are ritual things that we can do that can contribute to that, which is, can be fun. I think, you know, assembling that reef and putting it on the, on the doorstep, I think is gonna be a great thing. I. Also getting dried squashes and pumpkins and so forth to, to decorate the front area just. Yes. We, we were talking about this before we started to record. Yes, it's true. Pumpkins tend to be associated with Halloween and Hallows, but they're available now and they're actually pouring out of the gardens right now. So, you know, grab a few. Yucca: Yeah. And there are some, some really fun ones. If you haven't grown them, that's one of the ones I really encourage you to try. Because squash are pretty forgiving for, for being grown. And you can grow in a five gallon bucket and get one of those. You can, you can grow maybe one plant, but you could do something like one of those, those little Jacky littles. Have you seen those little pumpkins? They're about the size of like your fist? Mark: Oh yeah. Yucca: Yeah, those are a great one. And some of the smaller ones, you could grow a big one, but those are ones that you could do in your window. If you don't have any backyard to put it in, if you do, but you gotta have your big container, right. You can get away with one or so, and then they'll just take over. But the smaller, the smaller, the winter squashes, the more of them you're likely to get. If you're trying to grow one of your, like your huge, like fair winning pumpkin. You're not gonna be able to pull that off indoors or on a balcony, but something little you might be able to. And they're usually pretty easy to save seeds from too. So if you go to the, the farmer's market or even the grocery store, and you see that really weird pumpkin with all the like bumps on it and those strange colors and stuff. Just save one or two of those. Right. And see if the next, next year, maybe you can get that to, to grow in your house or on your porch or, and if it doesn't work, then would you lose Mark: Right. Yeah. Yucca: You're gonna, Mark: You, you, you had the pumpkin anyway, so yeah, it's what you lost was one bite of toasted pumpkin seeds. Yucca: Yeah. So, yeah, so pumpkins And depending on how far along they are in your climate, the dried sunflower heads. Mark: Huh? Yucca: those ones. Mine. They're not in my area. They're not quite ready. We need another, another couple weeks. But for the big, like the mamma sunflowers and they're just so beautiful, you see that spiral pattern of the seeds, assuming you can get to it before the birds. Mark: right, Yucca: Yeah, but if you pick it before the seeds have developed, then you're, they're not gonna develop on the, the head. Right? So if you, if you wanna save one of those, let's say you have several flowers, you can put a paper bag over it, as long as it's still attached to the, the plant, but it won't fully develop. It's not like some of those little grasses and things. If you cut those off early, then they'll just ripen really quick. There's just not enough time for those big sunflowers to do that. Mark: that makes sense. Yucca: So, yeah. Mark: Yeah. Yucca: So. Mark: and of course, you know, we're talking about produce. And so even if you don't have your own garden, this is the time for the fruit stands and the vegetable stands. And, you know, it's, it's a time, even, even if you do most of your shopping at a market, you know, if that's where you get most of your food, do some exploring, find out what the local varieties are of things. You know, play around with some new vegetables, because there are gonna be weird things that you just don't really recognize or understand how to use. And of course you can pick up things for preservation, which is a big part traditionally of this time of year. As people work to save as many calories as they possibly can for the winter, when. When the food systems are not gonna be producing, Yucca: Mm-hmm Mark: so, Yucca: And this is a fun time of year to, to try with the pickling and the fermenting. Speaking of those sort of witchy looking and feeling things you'd have those nice jars. That's definitely fun to do. Mark: Yeah, get some local honey and do a quick bead. That'll be ready by hellos. You can do some of that. Yucca: Yeah. Mead and insiders are really easy. They're not like they're not like beer that is much more finicky and you need more equipment and stuff Mark: and there are so many more steps. Yucca: Yeah. Mark: For for beer. Beer is really actually a pretty complicated chemistry experiment when you get down to it making the, the wart so that the food for the yeast is absolutely perfect to create a particular flavor is really, you know, an art. It is, it's an art and there are people that are very good at it. I'm not one of them because I discovered that. There's all this fantastic beer available for 10 bucks, a six pack and I don't have to learn to be a master. Other people have, have done that for me, Yucca: Right. Mark: but I do like Yucca: gonna be, if it's something you're gonna be consuming a lot of versus something you're making just a small amount for. Just sort of the joy of it, you know, you have different considerations. Mark: right. Yeah. I mean, if you're only doing the five gallon. Car full, then that's a pretty easy project. Yucca: yeah, Mark: So it's something to look into it's and, and there is definitely a sense of pride and accomplishment. When you make a nice beverage like that and people enjoy it and appreciate it, and it gives you an opportunity to be creative about bottle labels and all that kind of stuff. It's fun. Yucca: another one to, to look into if you're interested in making things like that, but you don't want as high of an alcohol content is kombucha. Kombucha is really easy to make. And when you make it at home, it can have a higher content than what you would buy in the store. Still not gonna be very much though. Like if you wanna have an alcoholic kombucha, you've gotta try, you've gotta go out of your way to make it that way. You're not gonna accidentally make it as high content as your CIS or wines, beers, things like that. So you'll get a pretty low amount. That's a really fun one that also, if you're looking for something to feel super witchy with, like it makes this SCOBY on top that it makes is this bizarre, bubbly looking. It's really cool. And if you've got kids, you can, that you can lay on poke it and stuff and it's, it's fun. So, Mark: another option, which is fully non-alcoholic is to make what are called shrubs. Yucca: mm-hmm. Mark: Shrubs are syrups that you add to sparkling water. They're made with vinegar and sugar and various kinds of herbs and fruits. So like strawberry and basil is, you know, one combination. There's, there's lots of recipes on the internet for making shrubs. I know it's a weird name. I didn't get it either, but that's what they're called. They're called shrubs. And they used to be very popular in the 19th century. They were, they were very, very common. And so you make these concentrated syrups and then you mix it with sparkling water and it, and maybe toss in, you know, another basal leaf or something for some fresh aromatics. And there are these very complex, interesting things to drink, but they don't have any alcohol in them. Yucca: Yeah. That sounds like something I'm sure that somebody is really passionate about and has their, their blog or channel on the boat. Mark: yep. Yeah, absolutely. Yucca: yeah. Well, pivoting away from the kitchen in the home, there's also things that That we might be doing like the buttoning up of the windows. Right. You're making sure that your windows seal properly and that the, the door isn't, isn't letting a draft through or something like that. And so that's, that's really a lovely time to maybe do a, a home. Kind of protection ritual or cleaning ritual or something like that, where maybe you're checking the window for the drafts, but you know, maybe there's something that you wanna be meditating on at while you're doing that or sprinkling some salt as well. Right. You're gonna protect from the drafts, but also, you know, protect on, on just sort of the symbolic level. Mark: Right. And you can be very specific about that sort of thing. I mean, what occurs to me is you can dip your fingertips into some rainwater that you've saved and then sort of flick it at the front door and it doesn't go through. So the, the point being, you know, we're rain proofing the house, we're demonstrating that this. The weather's not going to get inside. Yucca: Mm-hmm. Mark: Putting salt at the corners of the house is of course a traditional protection thing as well. There are lots of various witchy sorts of activities that I think can give us more of a sense of comfort and solidity and security in our, in our homes. Even though, you know, they're just symbolic actions and we know that, but that, that doesn't matter. They still affect us. And there's a good feeling about kind of taking care of yourself that way about going through all of the gestures that are necessary in order to feel like you are in a secure and happy, warm, and cozy place. Yucca: Mm-hmm . Yeah. Hmm. Yeah, this is just, this is just one of my favorite times of year. I just wanna say that, right. just, oh, the chill and the it's still hot in the middle of the day for us, but in the mornings and the evenings, it's got that little brisk and, you know, so there's just so many lovely things. And as always, we really love hearing from all of you. And you tell us about some of the things you do. Mark: Yes, especially if you're in other climbs because you know, there's a, there's a woman who's on the atheopagan council who comes to the Saturday morning zoom mixers pretty frequently. And she was just saying this morning that it's just barely starting to be tolerably. Cool there now it's still pretty hot and she's in Tampa, Florida. So she's actually in the subtropics. Yucca: Yeah. Mark: Which is, it's just, it's a whole other deal, right. You know, the, the dreaded season is not the winter. The dreaded season is the summer. Yucca: right. Mark: it's very hot and very humid and just not very hospitable full of bugs. Yucca: Mm-hmm Mark: Um, so Yucca: we're ready for the mosquitoes to take a break. Mark: are Yucca: really ready for them to Mark: I, I see, okay. Yucca: yeah, but I'm sure their mosquitoes are on a different level. Mark: Yeah, well, because of all the moisture everywhere, right? There's just there's enough moisture to support so much growth. So all the plants, all the animals, they really go to town. Yucca: yeah. Mark: What else I'm trying to think of what else? I mean, this is a real season for paying attention, just watching what's happening with the sky. You know, noticing the branches of the trees against the sky as they get more and more naked and lose their leaves. Yucca: And in some places that's a, that's an overnight. It's amazing how quick things change. Right. And in others, it's a slow, kinda drawn out process that, oh, what are we going through? And it just hap and then others, it just happens. Mark: Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. To me. The the time change is always kind of slamming the door on the remnants of summer and, you know, really, you know, bringing winter on board. But the time leading up to that, you know, the whole spy month of October and, you know, I mean they're Yucca: have some good topics coming up for October. I Mark: oh, we do. Yucca: October. Mark: Yeah, me too. There's just, there's so much to be said about not only our practices as pagans, but just living a life. You know, the, the kinds of considerations that we have at that time of year are so profound thinking about mortality and about ancestry and all those kinds of things. But this is the, this is the onset of that. This, this moment right here is when we slip from summer into this different transitional kind of state. And I, I just really enjoy it. I find myself even more attentive to what's going on outside and around me, because it's so beautiful. Yucca: Yeah. Hmm. Mark: So I hope that wherever you are, you're having a similar experience of Of wonderful arrival of autumn wherever you may be and feel free to drop us a note about how you're experiencing that or what any of your traditions are for the autumn and going into going into that. October season you can reach us as always at the wonder podcast, QS, gmail.com, and we always enjoy hearing from you. Yucca: Yeah. Mark: So thanks everybody. Yucca: Yeah. Mark: Thanks. Thanks for being with us. We always appreciate so much that you listen. .
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I was going to vote for Paul Eagle in the Wellington Mayoral race, but then I read a story in the paper today and now I'm not going to. Because he broke his word and no politician who breaks their word deserves my vote. It wasn't for the media. This is what's happened. Everyone in Wellington has known for years that Paul Eagle was considering running for Wellington Mayor. So at the last government elections in 2020, he was challenged on that. Why was he running for parliament if he wasn't planning on being there for the whole term? If he was just going to quit after a couple of years and force a by election which will cost the whole country $1.2m-odd and then go off to be the mayor. So the media asked him and he dodged the question and they pushed him and finally he ruled it out. He said ”Yes, I will [rule it out].” And now he's doing exactly what he said he'd ruled out. He's running for Mayor. And good on the media for drawing attention to this. Because now Paul Eagle is costing taxpayers a lot of money, potentially two years of a MP's salary for a job that just tided him over, and then the cost of a by election if he wins the Mayoral race. Now you might wonder why this matters, given politicians break their word all the time. But that's the exactly the problem, they shouldn't do it. Labour- 2017 election, no new taxes then they bring in the Auckland fuel tax. And again last election, no new taxes but then they bring in the ute tax, the landlord tax , the amazon tax, they try on the retirement tax and duty's planning and the unemployment tax. Grant Robertson said he wouldn't extend the Brightline test, and then he did exactly that and excused it by saying he was ‘too definitive'. Paul's excuse doesn't wash, he says he's been forced to step up because Wellington is going backwards. That's BS, because Wellingtons' been going backwards for years and we all knew two years that he was going to run for Mayor. Nothing much has changed between then and now. I reckon he just worried that if he fessed up and told the truth, he risked doing badly in the Rongotai electorate. Ahead of an election the only thing we can rely on is the word of a politician. Their promise, it's all we've got. So they have to be honest. They have to keep their word. And if they don't, we cannot reward them for breaking it. The Wellington Mayoral race is awful. It's talentless. But I would rather vote for no one than vote for someone who breaks their word. Because is that really what you (A) want in your mayor and (B) want to reward? LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Indecisive crustacea, some Wellingtons and a bit of terrible training.Full show notes are at https://offgrid.tlmb.net/Some General Knowledge, a mini-quiz, and some fun trivia we didn't necessarily know until just now.Before each recording, the hosts & their guest solve a cryptic crossword. In the podcast, we riff on words in the grid or clues (spoilers!), telling each other things we find funny or interesting about them. We'll also pick a favourite clue each, and explain how it works to the listener, and have a mini-quiz, also inspired by the puzzle. You don't have to solve or understand cryptic crosswords yourself to enjoy this podcast, but hopefully we might intrigue and tempt you to dip your toes in the water. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
Seek truth as opposed to affirmation…just a thought, but truly, question everything with boldness and know the truth has NO agenda! The Music Authority LIVE STREAM Show & Podcast... listen, like, comment, download, share, repeat…heard daily on Podchaser, Deezer, Amazon Music, Audible, Listen Notes, Google Podcast Manager, Mixcloud, Player FM, Stitcher, Tune In, Podcast Addict, Cast Box, Radio Public, and Pocket Cast, and APPLE iTunes! Follow the show on TWITTER JimPrell@TMusicAuthority! Please, are you sharing the show? Please, are you listening? How does and can one listen in? Let me list the ways...*Listen LIVE here - https://fastcast4u.com/player/jamprell/ *Podcast - https://themusicauthority.transistor.fm/ The Music Authority LIVE STREAM Show & Podcast! Special Recorded Network Shows, too! Different than my daily show! *Radio Candy Radio Monday Wednesday, & Friday 7PM ET, 4PM PT*Rockin' The KOR Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday at 7PM UK time, 2PM ET, 11AM PT www.koradio.rocks*Pop Radio UK Friday, Saturday, & Sunday 6PM UK, 1PM ET, 10AM PT! June 10, 2022, Friday, set two…@The Toms - 13 Dedicated [The 1979 Sessions] (Futureman Records)Fabienne Delsol - When I Awake [Four] (Damaged Goods Records)Nick Piunti & The Complicated Men - Gloves Come Off [Heart Inside Your Head] (Jem Records)David Bowie & Earl Slick (official) - Isn't It EveningScott The Hoople - 10 Chickee-Wah-Wah [Rock & Roll Party 66]Cody Melville - 02 Burning Out [Listen Jane]Muscle Souls - Mark On The World (Acoustic) [Mark On The World]Kimberley Rew And Lee Cave-Berry - You Can Rely On Me [Purple Kittens]@The Rooks – ColorsEric Anders and Mark O'Bitz - 03 My Love [American Bardo]65MPH - Somewhere [Here It Comes!]Rob Clarke and The Wooltones - 03 Adrian Henri [Putting The "L" In Wooltones]Mono In Stereo - 08 Never Let it Go [Long For Yesterday] (Rum Bar Records)Brandon Schott- 14 Wisteria [Crayons & Angels] (Curry Cuts)The Aeon Wanderers - 06 Time [Fictional Histories]Groovy Uncle & Suzi Chunk - Singer - 02 Barefoot In The Car ParkAthanor - 11 Under The Sun [Hills Of The Universe] (koolkatmusik.com)The Wellingtons - 19 - Top 10 ListNick Eng - Reminiscing
Pop Radio UK Show #183!!! A retrospective of Popboomerang Records! I've found so MANY great artists on their roster over the years. Makes me truly sad that they are going to close the doors soon! If any of the music here resonates with you, please reach out to them and let them know that they were...ARE appreciated! You will be missed! Give A Listen! Like, Download, Comment, Share, Repeat. Lame-stream radio... Variety...I do not think they TRULY know the meaning of the word! That's why I do what I do here... Pop Radio UK!!!! The Music Authority LIVE STREAM Show & Podcast bringing Power Pop, Rock, Soul, Rhythm & Blues to anyone and everyone who wants to expand their rock and roll radio knowledge! Shows NOW on Podchaser, Deezer, Amazon Music, Audible, Listen Notes, Google Podcast Manager, Mixcloud, PlayerFM, Stitcher, Tune In, Podcast Addict, Cast Box, Radio Public, Pocket Cast, Apple iTunes Podcasts!! Please! Follow me on Twitter JimPrell@TMusicAuthority The Music Authority LIVE STREAM Show & Podcast! https://fastcast4u.com/player/jamprell/ The Podcast can also be heard here - https://themusicauthority.transistor.fm/ *Radio Candy Radio Mon, Wed, Fri 7 PM ET, 4PM PT. *Rocking The KOR! www.koradio.rocks 7PM UK, 2PM ET, 11AM PT Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday! *Pop Radio UK Friday, Saturday, & Sunday 6PM UK, 1PM ET, 10AM PT!! Research and reach out to the bands let them know you heard me playing their songs! Pop Radio UK Show #183!!!!!! SUPER 8 Music - Music-Authority-Theme@Her Majesty's Finest (feat. Kate Duncan) - 20 - Shake Yer Popboomerang [Marching Out Of Time]Ryan Ellsmore - 22 - 3 or 4 [Shake Yer Popboomerang Volume 3]The Wellingtons - 19 - Top 10 List [Popboomerang Presents…]Nic Dalton - 32 – Sarah's In Love [Shake Yer Popboomerang Volume 3]Wade Jackson - 37 -The Last Song [Shake Yer Popboomerang Volume 3]@D. Rogers - 10 - Boy In The Rain [It's Always Summer At Popboomerang Records]@Jane Vs World - 11 - B-Grade Lisa Loeb [It's Always Summer At Popboomerang Records]@Georgia Fields - 03 - Seven Years [Popboomerang Presents]SoulBird - The Music Authority JingleLolas - 01 - Don't Change A Thing [Planet Of The Popboomerang Vol 1]Underminers - 13 - I'm Using You Too Much For My Songs [Brave In Other Ways]Blackbirds F.C. - 10 Last House At Summerlands [Field Recordings]Russell Crawford - 22- Lisa [Popboomerang Presents…]Little Murders - 02 - Wait {Single 1.13.2020}Grand Atlantic - 35 - September Gurls [Marching Out Of Time]@The Golden Rail - 16 - Shouldn't Get Hung Up About It [Shake Yer Popboomerang Vol. 1]Nolan Voide - The Music Authority JingleAdrian Whitehead - 31 - Sweet Fantasy [Marching Out Of Time]Bryan Estepa - 31 - No Ordinary [Shake Yer Popboomerang Volume 3]Dom Mariani - Official - 20 - Fireplace [Planet Of The Popboomerang Volume 1]Deserters - 01 - Stars Burn [Making A Big Sound #1]@Danna & The Changes - 05 - Good Duet [Popboomerang Presents…]
Radio Candy Radio Show #58!!! A retrospective of Popboomerang Records! I've found so MANY great artists on their roster over the years. Makes me truly sad that they are going to close the doors soon! If any of the music here resonates with you, please reach out to them and let them know that they were...ARE appreciated! You will be missed! Give A Listen! Like, Download, Comment, Share, Repeat. Lame-stream radio... Variety...I do not think they TRULY know the meaning of the word! That's why I do what I do here... Radio Candy Radio!!! The Music Authority LIVE STREAM Show & Podcast bringing Power Pop, Rock, Soul, Rhythm & Blues to anyone and everyone who wants to expand their rock and roll radio knowledge! Shows NOW on Podchaser, Deezer, Amazon Music, Audible, Listen Notes, Google Podcast Manager, Mixcloud, PlayerFM, Stitcher, Tune In, Podcast Addict, Cast Box, Radio Public, Pocket Cast, Apple iTunes Podcasts!! Please! Follow me on Twitter JimPrell@TMusicAuthority The Music Authority LIVE STREAM Show & Podcast! https://fastcast4u.com/player/jamprell/ The Podcast can also be heard here - https://themusicauthority.transistor.fm/ *Radio Candy Radio Mon, Wed, Fri 7 PM ET, 4PM PT. *Rocking The KOR! www.koradio.rocks 7PM UK, 2PM ET, 11AM PT Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday! *Pop Radio UK Friday, Saturday, & Sunday 6PM UK, 1PM ET, 10AM PT!! Research and reach out to the bands let them know you heard me playing their songs! Radio Candy Radio Show #58!!!!SUPER 8 Music - Music-Authority-Theme@Her Majesty's Finest (feat. Kate Duncan) - 20 - Shake Yer Popboomerang [Marching Out Of Time]Ryan Ellsmore - 22 - 3 or 4 [Shake Yer Popboomerang Volume 3]The Wellingtons - 19 - Top 10 List [Popboomerang Presents…]Nic Dalton - 32 – Sarah's In Love [Shake Yer Popboomerang Volume 3]Wade Jackson - 37 -The Last Song [Shake Yer Popboomerang Volume 3]@D. Rogers - 10 - Boy In The Rain [It's Always Summer At Popboomerang Records]@Jane Vs World - 11 - B-Grade Lisa Loeb [It's Always Summer At Popboomerang Records]@Georgia Fields - 03 - Seven Years [Popboomerang Presents]SoulBird - The Music Authority JingleLolas - 01 - Don't Change A Thing [Planet Of The Popboomerang Vol 1]Underminers - 13 - I'm Using You Too Much For My Songs [Brave In Other Ways]Blackbirds F.C. - 10 Last House At Summerlands [Field Recordings]Russell Crawford - 22- Lisa [Popboomerang Presents…]Little Murders - 02 - Wait {Single 1.13.2020}Grand Atlantic - 35 - September Gurls [Marching Out Of Time]@The Golden Rail - 16 - Shouldn't Get Hung Up About It [Shake Yer Popboomerang Vol. 1]Nolan Voide - The Music Authority JingleAdrian Whitehead - 31 - Sweet Fantasy [Marching Out Of Time]Bryan Estepa - 31 - No Ordinary [Shake Yer Popboomerang Volume 3]Dom Mariani - Official - 20 - Fireplace [Planet Of The Popboomerang Volume 1]Deserters - 01 - Stars Burn [Making A Big Sound #1]@Danna & The Changes - 05 - Good Duet [Popboomerang Presents…]
Rockin' The KOR Show #200! A retrospective of Popboomerang Records! I've found so MANY great artists on their roster over the years. Makes me truly sad that they are going to close the doors soon! If any of the music here resonates with you, please reach out to them and let them know that they were...ARE appreciated! You will be missed! Give A Listen! Like, Download, Comment, Share, Repeat. Lame-stream radio... Variety...I do not think they TRULY know the meaning of the word! That's why I do what I do here... Rockin' The KOR!!!! The Music Authority LIVE STREAM Show & Podcast bringing Power Pop, Rock, Soul, Rhythm & Blues to anyone and everyone who wants to expand their rock and roll radio knowledge! Shows NOW on Podchaser, Deezer, Amazon Music, Audible, Listen Notes, Google Podcast Manager, Mixcloud, PlayerFM, Stitcher, Tune In, Podcast Addict, Cast Box, Radio Public, Pocket Cast, Apple iTunes Podcasts!! Please! Follow me on Twitter JimPrell@TMusicAuthority The Music Authority LIVE STREAM Show & Podcast! https://fastcast4u.com/player/jamprell/ The Podcast can also be heard here - https://themusicauthority.transistor.fm/ *Radio Candy Radio Mon, Wed, Fri 7 PM ET, 4PM PT. *Rocking The KOR! www.koradio.rocks 7PM UK, 2PM ET, 11AM PT Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday! *Pop Radio UK Friday, Saturday, & Sunday 6PM UK, 1PM ET, 10AM PT!! Research and reach out to the bands let them know you heard me playing their songs! Rockin' The KOR Show #200!! SUPER 8 Music - Music-Authority-Theme@Her Majesty's Finest (feat. Kate Duncan) - 20 - Shake Yer Popboomerang [Marching Out Of Time]Ryan Ellsmore - 22 - 3 or 4 [Shake Yer Popboomerang Volume 3]The Wellingtons - 19 - Top 10 List [Popboomerang Presents…]Nic Dalton - 32 – Sarah's In Love [Shake Yer Popboomerang Volume 3]Wade Jackson - 37 -The Last Song [Shake Yer Popboomerang Volume 3]@D. Rogers - 10 - Boy In The Rain [It's Always Summer At Popboomerang Records]@Jane Vs World - 11 - B-Grade Lisa Loeb [It's Always Summer At Popboomerang Records]@Georgia Fields - 03 - Seven Years [Popboomerang Presents]SoulBird - The Music Authority JingleLolas - 01 - Don't Change A Thing [Planet Of The Popboomerang Vol 1]Underminers - 13 - I'm Using You Too Much For My Songs [Brave In Other Ways]Blackbirds F.C. - 10 Last House At Summerlands [Field Recordings]Russell Crawford - 22- Lisa [Popboomerang Presents…]Little Murders - 02 - Wait {Single 1.13.2020}Grand Atlantic - 35 - September Gurls [Marching Out Of Time]@The Golden Rail - 16 - Shouldn't Get Hung Up About It [Shake Yer Popboomerang Vol. 1]Nolan Voide - The Music Authority JingleAdrian Whitehead - 31 - Sweet Fantasy [Marching Out Of Time]Bryan Estepa - 31 - No Ordinary [Shake Yer Popboomerang Volume 3]Dom Mariani - Official - 20 - Fireplace [Planet Of The Popboomerang Volume 1]@Deserters - 01 - Stars Burn [Making A Big Sound #1]@Danna & The Changes - 05 - Good Duet [Popboomerang Presents…]
Mash-Up Monday 3/28/22 After a conversation on a recent episode of Radio Rewind, I was inspired to dig out my old mash up CD-Rs and do something with them. Peoria may not have been ready for this music in the clubs 20 years ago, but let's see how it plays in Peoria now. This mix was made of more recent tracks and the artists are listed below Adriana A - Part of My Sweetness (Katy Perry vs. Jimmy Eat World) MsMiep - Don't You Forget My Dancing Lasha Tumbai (Simple Minds vs. Verka Serduchka) IamJstncrdble - Hayley Crockett (Paramore vs. The Wellingtons) tbc aka Instamatic - A Message To Artists [In The Middle of the Crowd] (Jimmy Eat World vs. Etherwood vs. Charles Bukowski) Vixoria Drift - Friday (Hey Oh) (Rebecca Black vs. Red Hot Chili Peppers) GladiLord - Cows Will Never Hurt You (Doja Cat vs. My Chemical Romance) GladiLord - Chasing Jealousies (Olivia Rodrigo vs. Bring Me The Horizon) MashGyver - Bye Bye Puppets (Metallica vs. NSYNC) Bill McClintock - Crazy Black Magic (Prince vs. Slayer) djBC - ill Submarine (Beatles vs. Beastie Boys) fnogg - Ain't It Gonna Be 500 Miles Of Fun (The Proclaimers vs. Paramore)
De inmiddels wereldberoemde roman van Mark Haddon verscheen in 2003. Het boek werd met meerdere prijzen bekroond, veelvuldig vertaald en uiteindelijk zelfs als theaterstuk vertoond. De wonderbaarlijke titel verwijst weliswaar naar een verhaal over Sherlock Holmes, maar het boek over de vijftienjarige Christopher is meer dan alleen een detectiveroman. Christopher heeft een vorm van autisme en heeft een grote voorliefde voor wiskunde, lijstjes en dieren. Vanaf de eerste pagina neemt Christopher ons mee in zijn gedachten en belevenissen. Na de heftige schok van Wellingtons dood zet hij alles op alles om uit te vinden wie de dader is. Tijdens deze zoektocht stuit hij abrupt op ontdekkingen die zijn leven compleet in de war schoppen. De verrassende wendingen en de spraakmakende karakters in het hartverwarmende verhaal zorgen voor veel gespreksstof.
Nacho your average Superbowl snack – taking wings and nachos to the next level // Valentine breakfast – start the day lovingly with heart shaped waffles or warm fruit crumbles OR... // Valentine dinner that is fun to cook together – individual beef wellingtons!! And pan seared radicchio with soft cheese // Chocolate - what is your cacao threshold? // Hawaii and the Aloha food scene // Lastly, we will play Rub with Love trivia challenge! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
The Girls do a deep dive off Gilligan's Island, with special guest and Gilligan Expert, Robbie-Ann's childhood bestie Karen. Karen talks about her all-things Tiki obsession, which evolved into a Gilligan's Island obsession. Robbie-Ann asks, and Karen answers, the tough questions: how did they get years out of that radio battery? Why didn't they build a boat? Where did they get all those wardrobe changes from just a three-hour tour (a threeee hour tour...)? Amy talks about her after-school joy watching Gilligan's Island, and her love for the vibrant colors on the show. Karen and Robbie-Ann reminisce about getting off the kindergarten bus at Karen's house and spending the afternoon on the Island. Amy reveals the shocking world tragedy event that occurred on the day the cast were filming the pilot episode, and how you can see a reference to it in the original opening sequence. Amy goes on to describe Sherwood Schwartz' origins of the show, as something of a political statement. Shocker: when Schwartz first conceived the series, the seven characters originally represented the Seven Deadly Sins. Can you identify who was which? The Girls discuss. Karen reveals her favorite episode, featuring the fictional Beatle-esque band the Mosquitos. The Girls dissect the Honey Bees' (Ginger, Mary Ann and Mrs. Howell) song "You Need Us." Naturally this leads to discussing the iconic tv Gilligan's Island theme song, and Karen reveals a crazy fact about the Wellingtons, who sang it. Amy reveals that the original pilot's Calypso theme song was co-written by none other than Star Wars, Jaws, Indiana Jones and E.T. composer John Williams. BUT - then Amy also reveals what Christmas classic was written by George Wyle, who co-wrote the historic "Just sit right back..." theme song that ended up in the show. Amy reports the five basic plot lines that covered almost all of the episodes. Gilligan's opera-radio reception in his teeth. The Dream Sequence episodes. Trivia: The Skipper's real name. The Professor's real name. Mrs. Howell's maiden name. Which cast member was the only one allowed by Sherwood Schwartz to improvise? The 1978 "Rescue from Gilligan's Island" tv movie. Casting Could-have-beens: could Jane Mansfield have been Ginger? Tina Louise, "method actor." The old Ginger vs. Mary Ann debate. Gilligan's first name: a controversy. Raquel Welch or Pat Priest as Mary Ann? Carol O'Connor as the Skipper? Dabney Coleman as The Professor? Dawn Wells, Natalie Schafer and their "Ice Cream Diet." Which Gilligan's Island stars ended up on Sherwood Schwartz' next sitcom, The Brady Bunch? Jim Backus' stellar acting pedigree. The show's enduring effect on its cast: typecasting. Which cast members embraced their roles after the show, and who didn't. Which cast member ended up being the only one still earning residuals decades later? The Gilligan's Island tie-in to the "Very Brady Sequel" movie. Sidebar: the 1990's Brady movies. "Gilligan's Planet?!!" "Aloha Paradise" - who remembers this show? The Gilligan's Island "warm fuzzy." Mary Ann's navel: snuck by the network standards and practices. The various island inventions: the car, the washing machine. Sidebar: Robbie-Ann and Karen talk about their kindergarten friendship, and the outfits they wore. Gilligan's Island shooting locations - where Seinfeld and Roseanne were also filmed. Who was the only Gilligan's Island star who did not guest star on The Love Boat? Sidebar: a discussion of their Gen X Childhood friendship. Robbie-Ann describes going to see Shaun Cassidy with Karen in 1978, and Amy wants to know what Karen and Robbie-Ann wore to the show. Who had better toys, Karen or Robbie-Ann? Robbie-Ann coveted Karen's Bionic Woman Dome House, her I Dream of Jeannie doll and bottle-house playset, and her Pet Ghost. Robbie-Ann describes the first day of kindergarten 40+ years ago, when she and Karen met. Karen and Robbie-Ann talk about kindergarten life in the 70s, and Robbie-Ann's bravery in the face of being told she couldn't play with the boy's better toys at recess. Final thoughts on the "warm fuzzy" of Gilligan's Island: there was no villain, no romance on the island, and Karen celebrates the real life friendship between Mary Ann, and Natalie Schafer.
First, a Three Kitchens Podcast confession: Erin tried another persimmon recipe and it... wasn't good. Like, at all. Our reactions to it were quite hilarious, actually. They can't all be winners, right? Now that we've gotten that off our chests, on to the fantastic Beef Wellington! When we think of Beef Wellington, chef Gordon Ramsay's recipe comes to mind. Heather follows his recipe, but makes hers individually wrapped portions. Yes, they're a bit time-consuming - you're layering beef tenderloin, mushrooms and prosciutto and wrapping it up in puff pastry - but the end result will wow your dinner guests. It's a great alternative to turkey for your Christmas table. So don't be intimidated! Have a listen as we walk you through it. Episode Links~~~~~ Beef Wellington Recipe~S2. 11 Persimmon Puddin'~~~~~Three Kitchens Podcast - a home cooking showCheck out our website where you can listen to all of our episodes, and find recipes on our blog (psst! there are even some extra recipes never discussed on the podcast!).www.threekitchenspodcast.com~~~~Or join us on our socials!Instagram @three_kitchens_podcastFacebook @threekitchenspodcastPinterest @threekitchenspodcastYouTube @threekitchenspodcast~~~~Drop us a comment or give us a like - we'd love to hear from you! Three Kitchens Podcast - a home cooking showCheck out our website where you can listen to all of our episodes, and find recipes on our blog (psst! there are even some extra recipes never discussed on the podcast!).www.threekitchenspodcast.comYou can support the show with a small donation at Buy Me A Coffee.Want to be a guest? We want to hear from you! Or join us on our socials!Instagram @three_kitchens_podcastFacebook @threekitchenspodcastYouTube @threekitchenspodcastDrop us a comment or give us a like - we'd love to hear from you!
The holidays are upon us, which for many of us means time spent with family eating a smorgasbord of delicious foods. This highly anticipated seasonal ritual sometimes leads to unintended consequences – expanded waistlines and hefty price tags for all the holiday meals you've had to stock up ingredients for. That's why we are pleased to welcome Karen Lee, the healthy cooking doyenne of The Sensitive Foodie Kitchen, to help us navigate holiday eating in a healthy way that won't bust the bank. Karen's Bio: Karen Lee, otherwise known as The Sensitive Foodie, believes that food is the key to health. Karen uses a whole food plant-based diet to manage a variety of health challenges. Karen was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 2016 and has been following Overcoming MS program ever since. She is the co-Ambassador for the OMS Circle in Sussex and has contributed recipes and cooking videos to OMS campaigns over the last few years. In The Sensitive Foodie Kitchen, she combines her love of delicious food with her professional background as an intensive care nurse (now retired) and naturopathic nutritionist to inspire others to experience the powerful effects of using food as medicine. Karen runs online courses, workshops and live cooking classes and offers a range of resources on her website. She is the author of Eat Well Live Well with The Sensitive Foodie. Questions: Welcome to Living Well with MS, Karen, and it's great to have you here. Before we dig into the main course, so to speak, can you tell us a little bit about yourself, your experience with MS, and how you got into the healthy food game? What are the main challenges you see people facing when it comes to staying true to the OMS diet while wanting to indulge in some delicious holiday food? You talk in your courses and website about “managing energy”. Can you explain that concept and how it applies practically? You're a big fan of plant-based alternatives to traditional Christmas foods. Can you tell us some of your main course favorites and where people can find great recipes for them? How about ideas for healthy sides or sauces? How do you spice up veggies or make sauces that are free of meat or dairy but still excite the palate? Many recipes involve lots of ingredients, including things people don't usually stock in their pantries. That can get pricey. What are your best tips for making healthy and delicious food without going into debt to pay the grocery bill? What are your best tips for making holiday desserts more OMS-friendly without all those elaborate expensive ingredients? Bailey's is a cream-based liquor that people use to make a Christmas favorite, egg nog. You have some clever ways to make an OMS-friendly version at home. Can you share your secret? You've given us some amazing advice on this episode for making healthy holiday foods that won't drain your savings. I understand you teach many of these techniques through your course offerings. Can you tell our audience a bit about that and how they can learn more if they're interested? Finally, before we let you go off to do your own holiday cooking, what is your personal absolute favorite holiday meal from starter to main course to dessert? And on that note, thank you Karen for sharing your culinary expertise with the OMS community. Make sure you check out the show notes for this episode for tons of links to delicious recipes, including one for an OMS-friendly Yule Log that is not available online but exclusively available in our show notes. And make sure you visit Karen's website, The Sensitive Foodie Kitchen. There is some amazing content there, and you can find that link and many others in the show notes, so please have a look. Our next episode will be the last until 2022, so join us for Coffee Break #26 to meet OMSer Pat Feller from San Diego, California and hear about his inspiring OMS journey. Hope you can tune in! Links: Check out The Sensitive Foodie Kitchen website. You'll find new recipes there shortly just in time for the holidays, including lentil and mushroom loaf, sweet potato and chestnut swirl, custard, and a cashew nut version of baked ‘camembert'. Check out Karen's recipe for dairy-free Bailey's. Visit this section of Karen's site for detailed guide to healthy Christmas eating. Watch (and learn how to) Karen makes mince pies on YouTube. Learn about The Sensitive Foodie's array of courses. Check out The Sensitive Foodie on Facebook. Check out The Sensitive Foodie on Instagram. Special OMS-friendly Yule Log Recipe, Just for You: Coming up on our next episode: Only 1 episode left in Season 3! Next up: on December 13, meet Pat Feller from San Diego, California and learn about his incredible OMS journey on Living Well with MS Coffee Break #26, part of our popular ongoing series introducing you to members of OMS's dynamic community from around the globe. Don't miss out: Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favorite podcast listening app. Don't be shy – if you like the program, leave a review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. S3E45 Transcript OMS-friendly Holiday Cooking on a Budget Geoff Allix (1s): Welcome to Living Well with MS, the podcast for Overcoming MS and people with multiple sclerosis interested in making healthy lifestyle choices. I'm your host, Geoff Allix. Thank you for joining us for this new episode. I hope it makes you feel more informed and inspired about living a full life with MS. Don't forget to check out our show notes for more information and useful links. You can find these on our website at www.overcomingms.org/podcast. If you enjoy the show, please spread the word about us on your social media channels. That's the kind of viral effect we can all smile about. Finally, don't forget to subscribe to the show on your favorite podcast platform so you never miss an episode. Geoff Allix (44s): Now without further ado, on with the show. The holidays are upon us, which for many of us means time spent with family eating a smorgasbord of delicious foods. This highly anticipated seasonal ritual sometimes leads to unintended consequences, expanded waistlines, and hefty price tags for all the holiday meals you've had to stock up ingredients for. That's why we are pleased to welcome Karen Lee, the healthy cooking doyenne of The Sensitive Foodie Kitchen to help us navigate holiday eating in a healthy way that won't bust the bank. Welcome to Living Well with MS, Karen. It's great to have you here. Before we dig into the main course, so to speak, could you tell us a bit about yourself, your experience with MS, and how you got into the healthy food game? Karen Lee (1m 29s): Yes, certainly. Hi, Geoff and hi everyone. Thank you for having me here. What can I tell you about myself? Well, my background professionally is I used to be an intensive care nurse, but I'm also a mutual and naturopathic nutritionist. And I've always really enjoyed food, loved all sorts of food, but not all food had loved me. So, I had discovered that I had food intolerances, which basically was all my favorite foods. So, I was intolerant to dairy and yeast, well cake and bread and cheese and all those lovely things. Karen Lee (2m 9s): I wanted to feel better though so I started to explore using different ingredients to have all the favorite foods that I had. I'd actually already transferred to eating a whole food plant-based diet, which I discovered whilst I was living in India, which is another story altogether. Right back in the UK, back at work, I suddenly lost sight in my eye, which was an interesting experience, and then subsequently got diagnosed with MS. That was in 2016 so I was already doing the food part of the OMS plan. Karen Lee (2m 53s): Fortunately, one of my colleagues had already told me about the program because her husband followed it. Of course, as we know, they are OMS. It covers not just the food. The food is my favorite bit but it's all how we manage our lives as well, which I wasn't managing particularly well. I started following OMS straight away and carried on developing and looking into eating amazingly tasty food that also happens to be good for your health and that's what I do now, continue making food that I can enjoy. Geoff Allix (3m 33s): What is the Sensitive Foodie Kitchen? Karen Lee (3m 36s): Well, I started off as a Sensitive Foodie so when I first started making changes, I started blogging about it. This was back in 2012 when there wasn't that much around. When I came back from India, I decided I wanted to start teaching other people how to do this. I started off doing cooking demos and classes in my kitchen, hence why it turned into The Sensitive Foodie Kitchen. Whilst some people think it's a catering company, it's actually just a normal kitchen where you make whole food, plant-based food. Then from there, it's just developed into running courses, doing cooking classes, and everything's online now. Geoff Allix (4m 25s): Okay. We're talking about the holiday season. What are the main challenges you see coming across trying to follow the OMS diet while wanting to indulge in delicious holiday foods? Karen Lee (4m 39s): Well, I personally see this as three different challenges when it comes to this. One is energy levels because a lot of it just depends upon how you're feeling. One of them is the feeling of missing out because there's a lot of tradition to do with holiday celebrations. You have your favorite dishes, and they tend to be full of fats, sugars, and all sorts of things. You want to be able to enjoy it as well, but it's not fair if you feel like you're missing out. The other one is actually other people because it can be really difficult, the attitude towards what they think you can do, what you should be eating, or they get over-anxious about making sure that you are eating what you need to be eating. Karen Lee (5m 25s): Those can be quite difficult, and they can get on top of you. I think a lot of it is really just knowing what it is that you want to do and having a plan. I always say that to people, but I'm actually one of the worst planners. Even if the plan is in your head about the sorts of things that you want to eat and thinking ahead about, "Okay, well, I haven't got much energy every day so maybe I can make a few things or get someone else to make a few things." It's just really thinking about what this event is, whether it's over a few days or just one big meal. Karen Lee (6m 8s): Like I say, just really thinking about what it is that you want to eat and how you're going to achieve that. Geoff Allix (6m 30s): I think that I'm thinking now, because a lot of things can be frozen, so we're recording this the end of October, sorry, November, end of November. And, and I'm thinking I, I make a vegan Wellington and I think, okay, I'll make two vegan Wellingtons. I'll freeze them because they freeze really well and easily. And then that will be my sort of main dish. And then, because I've got like a week off, so there'll be like a couple of meals, like where I can have that. And then there's a few other things and I know that they're quite easily freezable and so I can do them over a number of weeks and put them in the freezer. Geoff Allix (7m 9s): And then that's much, much easier on the day. Then you talked about energy because, and you mentioned on your courses and website about managing energy. So, what's, what do you mean by that? What's the concept of managing energy and how does that apply practically to this sort of thing? Karen Lee (7m 30s): I think as with a lot of people with MS really struggling with fatigue and just only having so many things that they can do in a day. Again, I tend to judge people by how I am, but I want to still be able to do everything. Some of the time, it's just a matter of stepping back and saying, "Okay, I want to do all these things, but actually, I also want to enjoy myself." Enjoying yourself needs as much energy as doing all these things as well. A lot of it is just being really realistic and saying, "All right, at the minute I know if I spend this time making this and having it ready,” then as you say, all you've got to do is reheat it, have it done, and then “I'm going to have time to celebrate and socialize” because that's exhausting as well. Karen Lee (8m 25s): Talking to people, having children around that we're really excited by it can be quite tiring and you have a big meal at lunchtime may be, and then everyone can have a legitimate snooze in the afternoon. It's not always possible to be able to rest when you might need to rest. You lose that enjoyment and then you start feeling like you're missing out as well. My children are a bit older, they're in their early twenties and they've got their own things that they want to do when it comes to our Christmas celebration. Obviously, this can apply to any celebration. One of the things that we do now more is that we have our main meal on Christmas Eve. Karen Lee (9m 10s): We do all the food and everything, and then on Christmas day, we have all the leftovers and the reheated, so we've got time to open the presents, to have a couple of drinks, and have a much more relaxing day rather than rushing around and preparing this food and that food. it's just really working out what works for you so that your energy is at a level where you can just enjoy yourself and have a lovely family time, whatever that celebration is. Geoff Allix (10m 1s): Yes. There's a spoon concept or spoon theory that comes up a lot. You get so many spoons a day and everything has a cost in spoons. Karen Lee (10m 10s): It does. Geoff Allix (10m 12s): I find that I think with MS, you reset overnight. You have a night's sleep and you've got back your amount of spoons. I think it was originally someone just trying to explain the concept and they had some spoons around. They just said, "Well, imagine you had this many spoons," but actually cooking dinner. That's going to cost you some of those by doing that. By the time you get to the evening, and you want to actually meet up with some friends, you've got no spoons left, then you're going to be shattered. That's so true. I think that if I'm doing something later that I want to do that is enjoyable, then maybe I'm not doing as much exercise during the day because if I really work out hard exercising, I know I'm not going to have much energy left then or timing when I do exercise is another thing. Geoff Allix (10m 55s): I don't exercise first thing in the morning anymore, which I used to do because I know that maybe something will come up later and I'll just be shattered. Now, I think, okay, well, I'll make sure I've got everything I need to do during the day and then I can exercise. If I've got nothing left, I've just got slumped on the sofa and I'm fine. Karen Lee (11m 15s): Absolutely. The concept is great. Also sometimes, if you give yourself permission to take that rest in the day or to do something in the day, you can replenish your spoons as well. It could be that if you're busy, you've done a few things, you actually then either go and have a power nap or do a meditation. I find just switching my brain off for 15 minutes or so because it's a very busy place in there, that can rejuvenate me. Sometimes, it's actually going out for a walk. I've found that in lockdown, because I'm working from home all the time, sometimes I just need to get away from the computer. Karen Lee (11m 60s): I can feel exhausted but if the sun is shining, if I go out for a 15 or 20-minute gentle walk, it's great. It's rejuvenating. I think energy is something that is quite personal as well in how you revamp that. That goes the same with all these celebrations. It's just, again, coming back to the planning and really just thinking about what it is that's going to work for you and not being afraid to ask for help. I think that's really important, particularly if you are the one who is expected to be the main chef for all of this, which is fine. Karen Lee (12m 47s): You may want to do some rule of it, but equally, there's no shame, harm, or actually it's really good to get other people involved in it as well. If you want to, just dish out jobs to people. It might not be that you want everybody in your kitchen all at the same time because that can also be tiring, but send somebody off with the brussels sprouts to peel, for example, or send somebody out and give someone else the potatoes. We send them off into a different room, but don't be afraid to ask for help. Geoff Allix (13m 27s): You're a big fan of plant-based alternatives to traditional festive food. Can you tell us some of your main course favorites and where you can find recipes for those sorts of things? Karen Lee (13m 42s): Yes. Personally, I don't go for the processes fake meats. I like to eat whole foods so one of the standard options is a nut roast, which sounds a bit boring, but you can always talk it up a little bit by putting some extra ingredients in the middle, whether it's a cranberry source, some garlic mushrooms, greens or whatever it is. You can make it a bit fancy pants but also, I like to use traditional seasonal flavors. I might do a chestnut and sweet potato with some winter spices in that, and then wrap it up in some filo pastry to make as well. Karen Lee (14m 32s): It looks posh but it's not that difficult to make and you get that nice mixture of textures and flavors in there as well. Those you can make, and you can find the recipes for these on my website. Also, there's a lentil mushroom loaf as well because obviously, some people can't eat nuts or choose not to eat nuts. If they want to avoid too much fat, there's a lentil and mushroom one. With mushrooms, it seems to be much easier to find a nice selection of them now. You can find shitake mushrooms, mixed woodland mushrooms, or even just rehydrate some dried ones so that you get these lovely, different flavors and textures. Karen Lee (15m 18s): The other one that we do sometimes is a vegan haggis. Geoff Allix (15m 26s): That's the least MS-friendly foodstuff, certainly. Karen Lee (15m 37s): Yes, I know. It is but it's not. We discovered this when we were up in Edinburgh a few years ago. There's a vegetarian vegan restaurant out there called Henderson's, which I think is quite well-established. They had this haggis, but it's made from lentils, oats, and things, so it's a really nice rich flavor. You could just have it as it is, but also again, you can then wrap it up in some filo pastry to make a nice little haggis parcel or I'd make pastry where either you can add in a little bit of olive oil, a nut butter, or tahini, something like that. Karen Lee (16m 20s): You are replacing the fat, the lard, or whatever it is in pastry with a whole alternative or a slightly healthier one if you're using olive oil. This is a problem if you want to buy things in the shops. The seasonal celebration foods are really full of saturated fat, pastry in particular. Now, I used to love puff pastry, but even though you can find it without dairy, it's locked with loads and loads of different refined oils. You just look at the level of saturated fat and just that one tiny bit of puff pastry has an excess of highly saturated fat. Geoff Allix (17m 11s): What you said about filo pastry, because filo pastry in my mind is impossible to make yourself. It's so thin but most filo pastry, when you look at it in a shop, it has very few ingredients. It's really just flour and water and not much else at all. I think if people are avoiding gluten, that might be harder, but certainly, if you're okay with gluten, you can actually just use sheets of filo pastry and then just put olive oil between them. Karen Lee (17m 39s): Well, you don't even necessarily need to use olive oil either. You can use soy milk so that if you don't want to even bake with olive oil at all in the oven, which I know with regards to the temperatures, it's okay but some people like to completely avoid it, you can just use soy milk. It browns. It might not be quite as crispy, but it still works. Geoff Allix (18m 8s): That can make a really good pastry like a pie, like Wellington. You were saying you like doing pastry. That was a real game-changer for me that you could make that filo pastry wrap. There's one in the OMS cookbook, I did one for a Cornish pasty. You can make a short cross pastry. It's possible to do it. It's not quite as good but it's pretty good. So, you can get different types of pastries, which are pretty close. Karen Lee (18m 43s): Yes, which is why if I'm making something like that, I tend to use nut butters so you can get some really amazing 100% nut butter made from walnut or from hazelnuts and all-you-can-use tahini. They provide a slightly richer flavor to it and tend to hold it together a little bit more. It's certainly something that I've taught people in my cooking classes, like I do these cooking classes, so we've made pastry, different versions of pastry, quite a lot. Karen Lee (19m 23s): It works with gluten-free flour that way as well so people who are gluten-free don't have to miss out completely. It's quite difficult to manipulate sometimes. It might not win any photogenic prizes, but it works, and it tastes good. Those are the two key things as far as I'm concerned. Geoff Allix (19m 52s): How about side dishes and sources for meals? Karen Lee (19m 56s): With vegetables, I always think actually, especially if you're cooking, you're the only one eating the way that you eat, and everybody else's is having something else. I'm quite fortunate in my house. Everybody just eats whatever I give them, so I don't have to worry about that. With roast potatoes, you can cook them completely oil-free as long as you cook the potatoes beforehand so that they go, not mushy, but they're properly cooked so they fluff up and then they brown beautifully in the oven. Again, with the vegetables, as long as you can just steam them, cook them, roast them. Most veggies can be roasted without any oil whatsoever as long as you keep turning them in. Karen Lee (20m 39s): They need a little bit of water on them beforehand so that heat just helps to caramelize them. You can put some nonstick baking paper on the tray and then that just helps things to cook a little bit. Again, if you want to use a little bit of oil, then do so. I just tend to spray it with some olive oil. I don't tend to use a metal baking tray. I'll use more of a ceramic dish and just massage it so that there's a little bit covering it. One of the favorites here is leeks in white sauce, which has a bit of a challenge making them. Karen Lee (21m 28s): What I found is you can mix some flour and a little bit of olive oil together to make a roux but then put the dairy-free milk in the pan. You're not actually cooking the fat from the oil directly on the heat. You're immediately whisking it in, and it works so that you're avoiding that direct heat because that's important obviously as you don't want the fats directly on the heat in the pan. That does work. You have to do a lot of whisking so you need some energy for that or give that to somebody else. Karen Lee (22m 13s): You can make a white sauce that way, but I also tend to use a cashew cream with things quite a bit so just soak a few cashew nuts and then blend with some water. It can seem a little bit runny to start off with but once you put it in the pan and start heating, it thickens really quickly. That's another alternative way of doing that so you can still have your leeks in white sauce. That's very traditional. I don't know if any other family likes it as much as mine does, but it's a way of doing it. Geoff Allix (22m 51s): I think it's just traditions, isn't it? We have a red cabbage meal. The more complicated it is, the happier everyone is. It's got different fruits and things in it. I think those traditions are important as well. That's what kids really remember about Christmas. Karen Lee (23m 16s): Also, red cabbage is just brilliant at this time of year because you can add all those lovely flavors and spices into it as well, but it's also going to give you benefits as well. That's the thing about what I try to get across to people with any of my recipes. It's the fact that the enjoyment and the taste it's all really important, but it also all comes with benefits as well. Everything that you're eating, it tastes good, but also is going to be doing you good. It's all about making sure it's not doing any harm at the same time, but it's giving you extra benefits. Karen Lee (23m 59s): Red cabbage, all that amazing purple vital nutrients in that, your body loves them so that's brilliant. Geoff Allix (24m 7s): A lot of these things are unusual recipes. That's kind of the idea if we are eating something that's a bit special, a bit different so a lot of the things you wouldn't normally have in your pantry, the ingredients for these. Are there any tips that you have to make healthy and delicious food without spending a fortune on all these extra ingredients? Karen Lee (24m 31s): Yes, the thing is most of my ingredients I use is pretty normal food or normal ingredients. There are a lot of recipes out there that will use something rare and important. Certain things like tahini, for example, not everybody has, but if you like hummus, it can be quite difficult to buy hummus. It's actually much cheaper to make your own so having a jar of tahini in the fridge is quite an important ingredient to have. If you've got that, then you can use that for your pastry, for example. Karen Lee (25m 12s): If you've got some nut butter that you like, both those things are more expensive, but they don't have to be tucked at the back of the cupboard. They can be used for everyday things, but also, I would say that if there's something that is slightly more expensive, you can often source it at the cheapest supermarkets now, which is really great. Look at those places or go to a refill shop, for example. There are places where they are more affordable than going to Waitrose, for example, and buying a tiny packet of walnuts for three pounds or something like that, you can get that much cheaper. Karen Lee (25m 52s): It's just a matter of looking for places or going to places which stock these items. Geoff Allix (26m 7s): I find that in our local supermarket, even in the same supermarket, you can buy a tiny packet of almonds, or you can buy a massive bag of almonds basically. There's one, which is an ingredient side and there's one on the snack aisle. They're the same thing but they're charging five times the price by volume for that. Sometimes finding those things, and a lot of them, if there's a south Asian area or those specialists' areas so our one has lots of different areas for Polish people or south Asia. Geoff Allix (26m 60s): There are different regional areas, I think, specifically for people from those areas to find their ingredients, but they'll have massive bags of chickpeas. You mentioned doing hummus so it's tahini. We always have tahini because we make hummus all the time. Just big bags of dried chickpeas, which are really cheap and so much cheaper than buying them in cans because there's a different audience there that even though it's the same supermarket, it's slightly more. Karen Lee (27m 28s): Absolutely. That was the other one I was going to say, actually, is you've got a local Asian store now. Although I live in quite a small town, we've got quite a large Asian community just because of the offices that we've got here. It's great because we've got a couple of stores that have imported lots of traditional Asian ingredients, which are so much cheaper. You can go to the supermarkets. I use chickpea flour a lot in things because it's a great egg alternative and it thickens. In the supermarket, they sell it as chickpea flour, and it costs a fortune. You go to the store, and you buy a pack of Bethan, it comes by different names, and it's at least half the price. Karen Lee (28m 17s): It takes a little bit of investigation, I think, to start off with, when you do cook this way and knowing what you can find in your local area. If you find where things are and there are other people like in your OMS Circle, for example, if these people live there, then tell them. They can know where they're from as well. On the veggie side as well, just quickly and again, the cheapest supermarkets often have vegetables which are really tasty and unusual that the other places might not stock so like Brussels Sprout tops, for example, which are really amazing green leaves, which are really tasty. Karen Lee (29m 5s): Usually, it gets thrown away or fed to the animals. You can find cheaper vegetables at local markets, things like that. There are places where you can get good bargains without spending too much money. Also, know what you're going to do with it when it's left over because you don't want to throw a load of food away for so many different reasons. Do know what you're going to do with it if you've got extra food or extra ingredients. Geoff Allix (29m 38s): We talked a lot about the main courses. What about desserts? How can you make an OMS-friendly dessert, again, without being too expensive and making it compliant? Karen Lee (29m 51s): Well, again on my website, because you go and buy mincemeat and traditional mincemeat has vegetable soup, which is really fatty. When you make it yourself, yes, you have to go and buy the ingredients, but getting some mixed dried fruit is much cheaper than a jar of mincemeat. That's much easier. A lot of it is just making things without the saturated fats. Again, I've got a recipe for the traditional Christmas cake, which is mainly soaked, dried fruits, your flour of choice, and some spices. None of that costs a lot. There's a Yule log recipe as well. Karen Lee (30m 32s): Some people won't know what a Yule log is, but it's a very traditional British chocolate log. It looks like a bit of a tree, but it is a chocolate swiss roll and it's lovely. You think, "Well, how can I do that OMS-friendly?" It is possible. If you use egg whites, it's like an egg white with a sponge, but if you don't, then you can use Aquafaba, which is the brine say from chickpeas, as long as it's unsalted, and make the sponge. Then I do a sweet potato chocolate frosting so make sure that you've got the lowest fat cacao powder that you can find, steam some sweet potatoes, blend it together with a little bit of maple syrup, and it's incredibly chocolatey. Karen Lee (31m 31s): Again, your taste buds have changed with MS anyway. You can create your own Yule log which, which not only you can eat but everybody else can eat as well if you want to share it, obviously. There are options. It seems like a lot of hard work, but apart from the Yule log, everything can be frozen, so you go back to what we were saying at the beginning. A couple of years ago, I did a video for OMS to show how to make OMS-friendly mince pies with the tahini pastry and they freeze. Karen Lee (32m 12s): They freeze really well. In fact, I've found some in my freezer the other day. I'd forgotten about them from last year. You can make batches and then just put them in a container, put them in the freezer, and then just take them out when you want them. It's easy really and not too expensive. Geoff Allix (32m 38s): Another big favorite in my household is Bailey's. I'm sure there's a generic name for Bailey's. Karen Lee (32m 48s): Irish liquor, I think. Creamy. Sorry, I have to call it. Geoff Allix (32m 52s): They do have their own vegan version now, but it's quite hard to get hold of, this thing called Bailey's Almond, which I found a few years ago in America. They got in trouble because it's not actually vegan. It's got honey in it, I think, which is not technically vegan because bees make it. I think they've changed it now. I think it is fully vegan, but it's not easy to get hold of it. They're not available in my supermarket. Apparently, you have some clever ways to make an OMS-friendly version. I make my own as well, so I'll see. Geoff Allix (33m 33s): I want to compare. Karen Lee (33m 37s): The thing is I love Bailey's, I have to say. Every year when it came to our Christmas celebrations, I would sulk because they were tucking into their Bailey's. That's when I decided. The thing with Bailey's is that they have a secret recipe really, so you don't really know what's in it. Mine was just really simple. It's just a mixture of, I use oat cream. You can use other dairy-free creams, but I think oat cream works quite well. It's just a little bit of cacao powder, some maple syrup, and then obviously some Irish whiskey in there because that's the bit that you want really. Karen Lee (34m 26s): It's actually really simple. Does it taste like Bailey's? Well, it tastes more like Bailey's than the almond one because the almond, to me, is such an overpowering flavor. I didn't like it. Geoff Allix (34m 42s): Yes. I think they've tried to make it a bit different maybe from normal Bailey's because they use vanilla essence as well. Karen Lee (34m 48s): Yes, vanilla. That's right. Geoff Allix (34m 50s): I've done a batch this year. Oat milk you can get in the UK certainly. There's a leading brand of oat milk, which I think is called Oatly. I'm guessing you buy the same ones, cartons of Oatly? Karen Lee (35m 6s): Yes, that's true because I'm not sure if it's still the case, but their organic cream used to have a palm oil in it I think it was, but the black carton, the normal one didn't. Geoff Allix (35m 20s): Yes, that's a weird one. Isn't it that you think you're doing organic and actually not necessarily? Karen Lee (35m 27s): Always check the label. Geoff Allix (35m 29s): Spend a lot of time checking labels now. I go with oat cream, not a hundred percent, just use some oat milk as well and whiskey obviously. I go with one shot of espresso coffee, some cacao powder, some maple syrup. I do put some vanilla essence. I didn't have any when I made some. My daughter's got massive all these things. She puts back empty bottles. Sorry, this is off topic, but an infuriating habit of children to put back empty bottles in the cupboard so you don't know that they are empty, and you don't replace them. Geoff Allix (36m 15s): I thought, "Well, Bailey's Almond. I'll try it with almond extract, which I had some of, and that didn't work, just as a tip, because it floats, and it just completely separates and sits on top and nothing I could do to get it to mix in properly. Yes, the next batch will be back to the original. My wife says it's not as nice as Bailey's, but I'm not going to drink Bailey's so I'm either going with nothing or this. I really like it. Actually, the best fun is in the experiment of making it, so you just try it. It maybe a little bit more cacao powder or should it be a bit sweeter. Karen Lee (36m 57s): Yes, you have to fiddle around to your tastes because yes, personally, I don't like coffee. I've tried but I just don't like the flavors, so I don't put espresso in it, but I know some people do. It's getting it to how it works for you and if other people don't like it, then great. Geoff Allix (37m 21s): Yes, exactly. Actually, you can put your own personal Bailey's just for you, which is brilliant. Karen Lee (37m 27s): Yes, absolutely. If they don't like it and then they're not plant-based or vegan, then they can have the other Bailey's and leave it to you. Geoff Allix (37m 41s): You've given us some amazing advice in this episode for making healthy holiday foods that won't drain your budget too much. I understand that you teach many of these techniques in your courses. Could you tell us a bit more about how people could get involved in the courses if they want to learn a bit more? Karen Lee (38m 5s): Yes, sure. Just need to come and have a look at my website, which is www.TheSensitiveFoodieKitchen.com. In there, you'll find lots of recipes, anyway, up on the blog. A lot of people in the UK are coming up to the holiday season, I've actually got a separate section, which I've labeled Christmas recipes, but you could use them for any winter celebration so that you can go straight to them. The courses have got their own special page. You can have a look and see what there is. At the minute, I'm actually doing a few live cooking classes, leading up to Christmas, on a Saturday. Karen Lee (38m 49s): It's something I started doing in lockdown and not everybody on there who comes to cooking class is a fellow OMSer. There are other people that use this way of eating to manage all sorts of health problems or just because they like it. A lot of people are OMSers who come along. We have great fun and it's a bit chaotic but it's fine. It's all done on Zoom. Then in the new year, I'm starting the Saturday afternoon cooking classes as well so it's twice a month. You can see it all on there. Then on the courses, at the minute, I've got one course and there are cooking videos in that. It's quite good for people who are new to whole food, plant-based eating. Karen Lee (39m 30s): It covers all sorts of information about food and health basically, but you get lots of recipes and stuff. There's a new introductory cooking course coming up. I filmed it but I haven't edited it. Basically, just on the website and there are just lots of resources on there. Geoff Allix (39m 58s): As a final point, could you tell us what's your absolute favorite holiday meal is, from start to main course to dessert? Karen Lee (40m 9s): Yes. For starters, for this time of year, I like to have something quite crisp and fresh so something like orange and fennel salad, that type of thing with some pomegranate seeds and maybe toasted nuts on there so something really crisp. The main, I actually really like the sweet potato and chestnut swirls because they've got cranberry and everything in it as well with a load of roast veggies. Often, the veggies are featured much more than anything else on my plate. Karen Lee (40m 52s): Then dessert, for Christmas, I love Christmas pudding. It just goes back to my childhood really, setting it on fire and having it with a bit of a dairy-free cream on the side. It's all very traditional, but it's enjoyable, and some wine. Geoff Allix (41m 15s): Absolutely. On that note, thank you, Karen, for sharing your culinary expertise with the OMS community. Make sure you check out the show notes of this episode for tons of links to delicious recipes, including one for an OMS-friendly Yule Log that is not available online, but exclusively available in our show notes. Make sure you visit Karen's website, The Sensitive Foodie Kitchen. There is some amazing content there and you can find that link and many others in the show notes so please have a look. Our next episode will be the last until 2022, so join us for Coffee Break #26 and meet OMSer Pat Feller from San Diego, California. Geoff Allix (41m 57s): I hope you can tune in. Geoff Allix (42m 48s): Thank you for listening to this episode of Living Well with MS. Please check out this episode's show notes at www.overcomingms.org/podcast. You'll find all sorts of useful links and bonus information there. Do you have questions about this episode or ideas about future ones? Email us at podcast@overcomingms.org. We'd love to hear from you. You can also subscribe to the show on your favorite podcast platform, so you never miss an episode. Living Well with MS is kindly supported by a grant from the Happy Charitable Trust. If you'd like to support the Overcoming MS charity and help keep our podcast advertising-free, you can donate online at www.overcomingms.org/donate. 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Do you have rubber boots at home or at work? Have you ever had any at all? For me, rubber boots are associated with childhood memories: with them you could be outside in the biggest rain without getting your feet wet. They were a kind of universal shoe. If it was cold, just a few extra socks and I had warm and dry feet. When I wore these boots once on a Saturday afternoon at an event in the forest where we made a fire, I didn't even realise that - like with hiking boots - I could just push the wood back into the fire with my boot - because the rubber of the boot was not heat-resistant - and in no time my boot was disfigured and melted. Perhaps this little story will help you as a reminder to pay attention in a particular current situation and to check not to go too close - to stay with the story - to the fire and perhaps do harm. I wish you an extraordinary day!
In our fast-paced world, everyone feels pressured to be the best and to do their best. It's easy to succumb to worry and anxiety during this time. This week, a superstar athlete encourages us to reframe pressure as an opportunity. You may not be involved in the sports world, but you can still learn from it. For our guest, overcoming high-pressure situations boils down to two things: trusting in the preparation you've done and taking things one step at a time. Retired All Blacks player Conrad Smith joins us in this episode to talk about his experiences in the sporting world. He gives us a glimpse into his childhood and how he transitioned in and out of professional rugby. It's easy to make sports your whole identity if you're not careful, and Conrad details how athletes can avoid this trap. He also shares how we can equip ourselves to handle high-pressure situations. 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Episode Highlights [02:59] Conrad's Childhood Conrad's family used to move around until they settled at New Plymouth when he was six. His family was very close, as his parents always made time for him and his siblings. They were also supportive of both his academics and sports. Conrad spent most of his childhood playing sports and helping out on their family farm. [09:03] Conrad as a Young Sportsman Conrad wasn't initially an overachiever when it comes to sports. During his time at school, rugby didn't take up a huge portion of his life. Conrad didn't feel pressured to play, unlike most kids involved in sports today. He's very grateful that he was able to finish his law degree before he started playing professionally. [11:44] The Dangers of the Sports System Nowadays, there's an obsession with finding talent and training them hard from a young age. The rationale behind this is to give these kids the best chances of success. However, Conrad is sceptical about this approach. He believes that balancing life and sports is crucial, especially because sports is a short-term career. Many athletes end up going bankrupt or developing depression because they don't have a life outside of playing sports. [16:26] Staying Grounded When you're in a sports bubble, it's easy to lose touch with reality. If you're handling a high-paying sports career, you can forget how real people live. Athletes need to stay grounded and not tie their identity with their sports. This way, they can land on their feet after the bubble bursts. The challenge is to find other things that you enjoy and avoid the trap of coaching after your playing career ends. [29:39] On Career Transitions With the rapid changes in the world, we need to adapt to stay relevant. It takes courage to change your career. However, you can always find support when you open up to the people around you. [33:06] Mental Health in Sports All athletes feel pressured with their sports—what's important is how they deal with it. When you look at being pressured differently, you can see it as an opportunity. There's no quick fix for handling high-pressure situations. It's essential to find what works for you. [36:38] How to Deal with Feeling Pressured Preparation is critical to help overcome feeling pressured. If you have done the prep work, all that's left for you to do is execute. Don't get overwhelmed by the bigger picture. Instead, focus on the minute details. You need to be at the top of your game if you're playing in the Rugby World Cup. Listen to the full episode to hear how Conrad overcomes being pressured! [45:21] Conrad's Experiences with the All Blacks Conrad was playing for the Wellingtons when he was picked to play for the All Blacks. His fellow players and coaches told him not to feel pressured and encouraged him to have fun. For Conrad, being an All Black never lost its glow. He acknowledges what the team means for the country. He believes that the All Blacks continues to perform well because the players uphold the team's legacy. In particular, their jersey means so much to Conrad. Find out why when you tune in to the full episode! [52:51] The Future of Rugby Now working as a lawyer in the player association, Conrad speculates that women's rugby will see tremendous growth in the coming years. The women's rugby players are more motivated by the sport. They want to reach more women and girls through it. Since this women's rugby is still a relatively small industry, there's not much effort to commercialise yet. This can be an advantage. It's similar to how small but nimble companies can overtake big industries. [59:56] Conrad's Advice to Parents and Children It is much more harmful to shelter your children from sports. As you get serious about sports, remember to stay grounded and balanced. Connect with the real world as much as you can. Lastly, be open to opportunities and changes. 7 Powerful Quotes ‘I think it's fine to keep a balance, and to play other sports, and to experience, just live a normal life. I think you can still excel.' ‘You have a crazy number of bankruptcy, crazy number of rates of depression because they haven't learned to live outside of their sport.' ‘You have a lot of retired players that feel like they have to coach because they think it's all they know. The challenge, I suppose is, then of being careful not to fall into that trap.' ‘Whatever you decide that you want to be, you can become.' ‘The bigger the moments and the bigger the pressure, it's the funny thing, it's the more important that you focus on the smaller, minute detail.' ‘If you break it down into one more step, just one more, and then you just keep going and keep going. Then, invariably, that mindset or that thing that's in your head passes and then you're back in the game.' ‘If it's a conversation you're just having in your own mind, you will never get anywhere. You just need to open up about it.' About Conrad Conrad Smith was a long-time player of New Zealand's All Blacks and helped lead the team to the 2011 and 2015 Rugby World Cups. He is widely known as “The Snake” for his ability to slip through tackles. At 38, he captained the Wellington-based Hurricanes in the Southern Hemisphere's Rugby league, then retired after the 2015 World Cup. He now serves as legal counsel and project manager for International Rugby Players, the global representative body for the sport. He is also the high-performance manager for Pau, a French club that competes in the Top 14, the highest in the country's domestic league. Find out more about Conrad and his work at International Rugby Players. Enjoyed This Podcast? 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Now, we're going to be going over to Conrad Smith who's just been moved back to New Plymouth. I've had the privilege of meeting him a number of times and working on a couple of things. So I hope you enjoy this conversation. Now, over to Conrad. Well, hi everyone and welcome back to Pushing the Limits this week with Lisa Tamati. I am really excited for today's conversation. I've teamed up with another amazing superstar, a top athlete for you guys to enjoy learning from today. I have Conrad Smith. Conrad, welcome to the show. Conrad Smith: Thank you, Lisa. Thank you for the introduction. Lisa: You hardly need an introduction especially to people living in New Zealand. A legendary All Black. You played for how many years? I think it's 2004? Conrad: 15 years. Lisa: 15 as an All Black, as a winger. You've been a captain of the Hurricanes. You've been, I don't know, Player of the Year and Sportsman of the Year in Wellington. Your accolades are such a huge list, Conrad. You're blushing already, I can see. But really, an incredible athletic career and you were also talented as a cricketer, I understand. Conrad: When I was a little fella, when I was little fella. I was too little for rugby so I played more cricket, but yeah. Lisa: And then you grew. Conrad: I was a New Zealander. New Zealand kid back then. Yeah, then I grew up. That's right. Lisa: Yeah. Then you grew up and you were big enough to take on the big boys. Say, Conrad, give us a little bit of a feel like where you grew up. And how much of an influence did your childhood have on what you ended up doing with your rugby career? Conrad: Yeah. So I was actually born down Hawera. My father was a policeman so we moved around with him a little bit in the early years, and then moved to New Plymouth when I was about six. We're a very, very close family. He gave a lot of time. My mom and dad would always make time for the kids: a couple older brothers, younger sister. Yeah, it was a great childhood. A lot of sport was played but we all did pretty well academically, which my parents laughed at because both of them never made it. They did poorly in school. Really, really supportive parents in terms of... It's funny, I probably took it for granted then, but I don't ever remember my parents either not being there or having to work. Everything we did, we always were supported. And they were there, whether it was just drive us there, or coach our teams, or try and help us with our homework. I think that was what I've, like I said, took for granted but now, being older, I realise how important that was and why we're still such a close family, and my brothers are my best mates, and my sister is. We still meet. Yeah we still, obviously. We're all sort of have moved around the world but we're sort of pretty close together again. I suppose I try to be now with my own family like my dad was to me. Yeah, so those were the luckiest break in my head, I suppose. I always say people talk about luck, especially in sport but for me, it was just the family I was born into and the sport I had as a young fella. Lisa: Yeah. Now, that's brilliant. And you had a couple of kids yourself? Conrad: Yeah, yeah. Now, we've got two of them, just about to go off to school. Luca is my seven, and we had him in New Zealand, and then our daughter was actually born over in France while I was over there for four or five years. She's come back with us. Lisa: Growing up in the... You grew up in the 80s, I grew up in the 70s. Showing my age, yeah. But I think in the 80s, it was still very much like an outdoorsy lifestyle, like that good Kiwi kid upbringing, especially in Taranaki because we both come from here. Having that being outdoors in nature all day, as kids, we never came home before dark, sort of thing. Was it the same in your household? Conrad: Yeah, for sure and like I say to all the brothers, they were pretty influential in what I did. I just sort of hung around, tail off them but very much, we were always out. I just think of my childhood, it was all about playing sport, finding areas to play sport. You'd sort of get pushed out, and as we try and play inside, then we'd get pushed out to the garden and we'd ruin the garden or ruin the lawn. We're just constantly finding places to do what guys do with a ball and you can do anything. Then, the wider family were farming so my dad was on the farm. He sort of got kicked off by his older brother, but that was a family farm. So we would eat out that way and that's that Douglas from Stratford on the way there with my mom in there. That's been in the family for three or four generations and that would be where we're kids. We'd help with haymaking, we'd help with carving, we'd help all sorts. That was pretty much my favourite holiday, and the same as all of us kids would be to go spend some time there and help on the farm. That was just a childhood, yeah. You just know what friends to do and always outside, didn't matter if it was raining and cold as it often is at most parts. We just put a coat on and carry on. Lisa: Oh, man that just takes me back to my childhood, and I often think, 'Man, I want to go back.' What happened to that simple life that we had when we were kids? You're very lucky to have such wonderful parents, obviously. It's such a cool family. You also went off into university and became a lawyer, as you do, as an All Black. A slight overachiever there, Conrad. Did you always want to be a lawyer apart from wanting to be an All Black? Conrad: As I sort of said before, I wasn't a huge overachiever on the sport front. Well, I went to Francis Douglas; it's not a huge sporting school. We had sporting teams, but that wasn't very much. Part of it, you were there to study, you were there to get an education, and I enjoyed it. I enjoyed school. I think it is a great school, and a lot of my mates now are still from the mates I made in my school years, and yeah. So I didn't mind class and I never had a... I suppose leaving high school as it was when I was going to go to university, my brothers had both done that. That was sort of a thing to do. Law was, yeah. It was something. I enjoyed English history. Those sort of subjects at school in Wellington wasn't too far. I sort of wanted to go down to meet my brothers down there and that was the scarfie life was. But he sort of talked me out of it just because he... I think he'd done about four years by that stage, and flying down, and getting himself back and forth was pretty tough. They sort of said, 'Well, if you have to, go closer to home.' and that was when I ended up in Wellington and I really enjoyed law and rugby. Yeah like I say, sport was great, but it was two nights a week. It wasn't taking over my life as I know it does to a lot of kids nowadays. They make academies, and whatnot, and maybe talk about whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. But yeah, I was able to finish a full law degree and luckily, that sort of perfectly dovetailed into when I started playing professionally. Yeah, it was just sort of fortunate for me in terms of the way it all worked out and the timing. That's something I was very grateful for, obviously. Lisa: Yeah, yeah. Because right now, like your career, your playing career at least is over, you've got something to do. You've got a qualification. If we dive into that subject a little bit, so a lot of the young guys now are coming through and they're sort of getting picked out early along the way. What sort of dangers do you see with that system? Conrad: Yeah, I do worry about it, and I've spoken about it before. Because it's not just in rugby. It's in all sports. There's sort of a real obsession towards identifying talent young. Then the excuses, are you giving them the best chance of success? So we're gonna do all the work with them, and specialise them, and make them concentrate on the sport. But firstly, I don't know if that actually helps them with their sport a whole lot. I think it's fine to keep a balance, and to play other sports, and to experience, just live a normal life. I think you can still excel. But the other thing is that if it doesn't work out or even if it works out, sports are short term industry. You know, I know that that's not forever, and when you get to the back end of that, if you're purely invested in one sport when the time runs out, you got to rebuild a lot of the... Yeah and that's a real problem. And you don't need to look far to find a lot of evidence about that. We've been afoot and looking at American sports because they've been professional a lot longer than we have. Some of the statistics is just shocking. And people would think that they paid so much money, the athletes in those sports in America that they should be able to live literally after... They could do whatever they want. Theoretically, they have enough money just to retire but the statistics are not that at all. You have a crazy number of bankruptcy, crazy number of rates of depression because they haven't learned to live outside of their sport. That's sort of been taken away from them because they're placed into their sport so young, and then just cut, and there's no real assistance around that. So yeah, that's an extreme example and we're nowhere near at that stage here with the way the academies and that are set up. I know most of the people involved are very mindful of the things I've just talked about. Lisa: That's pretty...just open that conversation now. Conrad: Yeah. I just think there's a lot to be said around leading young people. I look at myself and from that period of development where maybe nowadays, I'd been in an academy, I was lead to play multiple... I played cricket, I played basketball, I ran, I did, God knows, all these things, and who's to say what lessons I learned from those other sports that I actually used in rugby? Because there's so much that you can pick up and also being able to study. For me to have a degree, the benefits that gave me to deal with injuries, to deal with all the downsides of sport because I had a background and the education. It's really helpful. You relax a lot more. You get a perspective on the sorts of things that if you're just wrapped up in a sport and you get an injury, man that's tough. You can't do what you would like to do. Where do you turn? But I think if you've had a bit of an education, and it doesn't have to be a law degree, but if you've got some other life or other opportunities and options that you can turn to in those times, and it gives you perspective and a sense of reality, and you don't get so caught up in that, so yeah. I know it is appreciated. I just think it may be still underrated by a lot of the people that are setting up these academies and things for the young sportsmen. Lisa: Yeah, and that's a good conversation to have and just be open about. Because you're one injury away from ending your career at any time. And then, to build... that's like building a sort of a house on a foundation of saying if you haven't got something else and you haven't got the life skills, if I just look at the opposite extreme with my sport where you have... When I started, just a bunch of weirdos doing crazy stuff, right? There's no structure, and there was no support. There was no knowledge, but it taught me that I had to go and market myself. I had to go and push everything that... Even when I represented New Zealand, I had to buy my own singlet to wear at the thing. Get a little... I'm getting here and do all of the things. So you had to market yourself, present yourself, become a speaker, do all of this sort of stuff in order to... So through that, you learn a lot of life skills anyway and then it was never a professional sport, in a sense. I managed to live off my sport for a number of years, but that was an exceptionally... That just because I found ways to do that but it wasn't a pathway that anybody could follow. But it taught me to fight. I remember having this conversation with my brother, Dawson, who I know was one of your heroes when you were a little feller. My brother, Dawson, was a Hurricanes player and Super Rugby in Taranaki and international as well. When I came back from Australia, and I came back to New Zealand, and I was raising money to go to Death Valley, which was a big race for me, he was like, 'Why are you in the media? Where you want to be? I used to hide from the damn media.' And I'm like, 'Yeah, but you got everything given to you, mate. You got all your clothes, all your gear, you got stuff gifted to you left, right, and centre. You've actually got no idea what another sport is.' That structure, that framework is not there. And that's good and it's bad. When you have everything laid on for you, but you haven't had to fight in society for your things... Because I've talked to a lot of rugby clubs actually around the country to all the younger guys. Everything is laid out for them. They have to fight. They've got a lot of pressure as far as performance and all that sort of stuff goes, but the rest of life is sort of taken care of. So it's something to be wary of. I think you got young ones and going up through this system is to just think about, 'What is the fallback option here? What else are they going to do when their career is over?' Because it can be very short, and not everybody reaches the stardom that you did. Not everyone gets to play for the All Blacks' 94 games or... Conrad: We talked about the bubble. They use that term a lot within sports. So you come into this bubble. When you stay in that bubble, you lose touch with reality. You're actually... I know because I've seen it, and I'd use that same terminology and say, 'Come on and talk to the guys. I've got to get out of the bubble.' It was always a thing of because people would... And you'd see it with people that get drawn into a sporting career and if they're doing really well. And you're right. It's only in New Zealand that it's probably only really rugby. There are other sports now that get paid really well, but they have to head overseas so... You're thrown into a lifestyle where everything is laid on and you don't actually... You forget how the real people live and the real life is, and that the bubble bursts, and it all comes about, and this is what I'm saying: The more time you spend in that bubble, when it bursts, the harder it is. The fall can really take a lot of getting used to it and some people don't. Unfortunately, even the guys I have played with, I've got as many stories of guys who are struggling, still struggling as the guys who fell on their feet. I don't think anyone does straight away, even myself. People will say ‘You handled it well.' I've been retired just over three years and I knew. Everyone seemed to me it's at least two years before you even... There's still things you struggle with it. And that was spot on. It just takes a lot of time to understand that you're never going to get up in the morning and have that same drive. You're very lucky that when you're as a sportsman or woman to have that drive. Just do the same thing. But you got to find something else, and it will never replace that and it's not meant to, but it's a challenge for everyone. Those life experiences during that sporting career are so important so that when the bubble bursts, when you come out of it, it's just a little bit easier to find your feet. Because otherwise, that is tough, and it's a bit of a worry. Lisa: Yeah yeah exactly. Just on even from that identity of being this athlete and you had a singular purpose. Pretty much every day when you got up, it was to train and it was to be the best for the next game or the next whatever. And that gets taken away and then the complexity of life comes in. Yeah? I retired from doing ultramarathons at 48. It's a sport where you can go a lot longer, and I've got mates that are still in their 60s and 70s doing it. But what I do see often in the ultra running community is they don't know anything else so, 'I'm going to stick with what I know and I'm just going to beat the crap out of my body until it falls into the ground.' Rather than going, 'Hang on a minute. This is no longer conducive to what I really want for me.' And reassessing. With rugby, you're forced to because physically, at 48, you wouldn't be able to keep up with a 20-year-old. There's that whole, have you struggled? I know I've struggled with that whole identity. Like, 'Who the hell am I if I'm not that hardass athlete and I'm not able to do what I used to do?' Because I still get it in the running scene, 'Oh, a marathon must be... you must do that before breakfast.' I'm like, 'Yeah, no. That's not...' Now, a 5K's quite long. You know what I mean? So your horizon comes back in. So I've spent decades pushing my horizon out to be able to go longer, longer, longer, bigger. Then, life happens. In my case it was mum and that was the end of the career. It was high time; it was overdue. But that whole, you just had the rug pulled out from under you, and your identity is tied up in that performance. Have you found that a struggle? Conrad: Yeah. Yeah, I think. Like I say, everyone does. You're lying if you say people do it easy. Again, I think a lot of the work, hopefully, athletes that handle it better have thought about that work during their career and they don't... We were given some great support while I was playing, particularly, within the All Blacks, guys like Gilbert Enoka with the background. And the whole mental side of not just the game, but of life, in terms of keeping...being grounded, keeping perspective. Part of that was your identity and not letting rugby define you. We used to say that you're a person that plays rugby, you're not a rugby player. It has this other life. You're actually... I play rugby because I like playing. Maybe that's not who I am. That's what the public sees, and I think if you get a handle on that while you're playing, then you understand that when rugby is taken away but that's not part of... ‘That's what I used to do. Now, I'm not doing it anymore but I'm still the person I've been this whole way. Now, my journey carries on.' Like I say, that's easier said than done. There's people that become the rugby player. That's all they are, and so that's the real challenge. For me, it was about just finding other challenges. And I think anyone in terms of rugby or any sport yourself, you find other challenges, it gives you... You realise your own identity and you find other things to do that give you fulfilment. I think aligned with that is the whole... When I think of rugby players, a lot of them who find the identity in rugby, they then just go on to coaching, and this is a real problem, and it might... I don't think that's just with the sport of rugby, but you have a lot of retired players that feel like they have to coach because they think it's all they know. The challenge, I suppose is, then of being careful not to fall into that trap. It was easier for me. I studied. I used to be a lawyer. I'm sure I could go back and do that. Maybe not as a lawyer, but there are other skills that I have. That's a really hard message, but it's a really important message to give all sportsmen. To rugby players, I'm always telling them, 'You don't have to stay in rugby, you know. You played, you finished, you don't have to coach.' There's going to be hundreds and thousands of players finishing career and they think they have to coach. But their skills are transferable to hundreds of different professions and things that will pay them well. You can keep being yourself. Even for me, I've stayed within rugby but it's not coaching. I'm working with the Players Association, International Players Association and that suits me. That's my skill set: a bit of the law, the analytical side of me that I've always had. And I think that was important. It's sort of my process of moving away from that identity as just 'Conrad Smith, the rugby player.' It's important to find other things that challenge me and that I enjoy. Lisa: Just interrupting the program briefly to let you know that we have a new patron program for the podcast. Now, if you enjoy Pushing the Limits, if you get great value out of it, we would love you to come and join our patron membership program. We've been doing this now for five and a half years and we need your help to keep it on air. It's been a public service free for everybody and we want to keep it that way. But to do that we need like-minded souls who are on this mission with us to help us out. 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I asked myself these conversations, and most especially in the beginning is, 'You're nothing now. You're a has-been now. You can't do it.' And being embarrassed about that, instead of going, 'Hang on a minute. I'm still pretty fricking epic and I do other stuff.' Now, that's freed up a huge piece of my brain and my daily power and energy to then go and attack other massive projects. There's so many things in the world that you can take on. It's all up to you to develop a certain passion. And I think it's not even just in the sports realm. I see people who are in careers that got friends and careers, they don't want to be there anymore but they studied it, they became it, they did it. whatever it was. Now, they're like, 'Is that it?' It doesn't have to be it, no. We live in a day and age where we can actually go and retrain. In fact, we have to be adaptable and flexible in this day and age if we want to keep up because the world is changing so fast. So many jobs are going to be gone and whole industries. As a jeweller in a previous life, that industry got destroyed, really. If you weren't in the big game with big brands and Chinese mass production and stuff like that and you're an artisan, a person who made one-off pieces, you're struggling now unless you really got the top massive diamonds and God knows what. Everyone else is struggling, so you have to go, 'Okay, that industry's change. I'm going to have to adapt, change, go with it, overcome it, improvise, and keep developing.' I think that's the message that we're getting here is you don't box yourself in. don't just be that one-trick pony. That's not, and Conrad is now an advocate, he's a father, he's a speaker. Whatever you decide that you want to be, you can become. And you're not just Conrad, the All Black. I think that's a really important transition for everybody to go through. Even if you're a policeman or a teacher and you don't want to do that anymore or whatever the case is. Conrad: Yeah, and it takes a bit of courage. Like I said before, it's easier said than done a lot of the time. And that's what people just need that encouragement. Especially with finances and people suddenly are, 'I've got a mortgage on a house. I don't want to change career because there might be a layer where I'm not earning money.' But yeah, I just think that's... You come back to some questions about who you are, who you want to be, and you've got to be... You'll be happy doing what you're doing. So I just think all the help you can get from people around you, that's where you'll draw the energy, I think. If it's a conversation you're just having in your own mind, you will never get anywhere. You just need to open up about it, speak to people close to you, and I think that's generally where the answers come from. Lisa: Yeah. I think that's gold. On that point, how big is mental health in your work? Do you do a lot around supporting mental health, and that sort of thing, and helping people transition, and all that sort of jazz? Conrad: Yeah, absolutely. More and more, it's a complex field. When you talk about players in the game, in the sport of rugby, it's really difficult. We were starting to appreciate the pressures I think that sportsmen and women are under in these fields. It's a lot of… it draws that back on what we were talking about before. You're in a bubble and you do lose perspective and so not as the... The challenge is to help these young, these kids that are in these bubbles to speak different, and keep living, and look at sport as this amazing opportunity, and not feel the pressure. Well, maybe saying not feeling the pressure is the wrong way to put it because it's natural, but to feel the pressure and find a way to deal with that, a healthy way to deal with it. Again, I look back on my career and you're playing for the All Blacks, you're playing World Cups, it's easy to talk about pressure. There was never times that I didn't know how to deal with it, and that was from the sport I had, and maybe the background, and my upbringing. But it was easily... You just channel that and see and look at it differently and decide. Look at the opportunity that every time you feel pressure, you get it, it's as simple as just changing the perspective of things rather than the pressure of, ‘You have to win'. ‘I'm an All Black, I want to win because…' Whatever. ‘I've got a country behind me,' and suddenly, it's a burden that's lifted and yeah, you flipped it and you're puffing out your chest, and you want to do it. If it doesn't come off, it's a game. There's more important things, absolutely, around. But yeah, like I keep saying, it's not easy for everyone and there's people that understand that better. The challenge is getting through to people of different backgrounds, and different cultures, and different ages. Lisa: Yeah with different problems. Conrad: Yeah. I'm saying that because I know what works for me, but I know a 17-year-old young Samoan boy who's playing rugby, I don't know for the Highlanders, I might not be able to connect with him. The things that worked for me won't work for him. That's what I'm trying to say. Or the female swimmer who's doing, training for an Olympics. We're all different, and the challenge is finding a way for everyone to deal with that pressure and to be mentally healthy through a sports career. Lisa: I love that approach and just coming off the back of the Olympics. It was just wonderful to watch our amazing athletes doing amazing things. Lisa Carrington just blows me away. She's mentally just insane. But I love that thing of the challenge versus threat. I think this is a really important thing to do. When you're feeling overwhelmed and overburdened and like the whole world of pressure is on me, you going out and something the World Cup, were you able, even in those extreme pressure moments, to turn that into an opportunity and not a threat? Because that does change the physiology. Like when you're running on the paddock on those days, those couple of times in your life where it's just been horrifically big pressure, how did you physically and mentally cope there? Conrad: Yeah, I think we've spent a lot of time, and everyone did, preparing for that World Cup. Again, as All Blacks, you have to spend a lot of time because you know the pressure that comes with and the expectation that comes with being an All Black in New Zealand. But even more so a World Cup, a home World Cup, when we hadn't won, I think 2011. A lot of our preparation time wasn't just being on the field with how we're going to play but was how to deal with that pressure. For me, it was just constantly turning it around so that it was never a moment I even... I can look back and think of times in the game where the team was under pressure and it would be perceived as... Even in that final hour, the team struggled a bit with the pressure, but if I'm being honest, our preparation never let us feel that way. We were dealing with that all the time. We just were focused on doing our job. We talked so much about whatever comes our way, we were going to adapt and deal with it and that's what you just had to keep doing. You never sort of stop, and you'll notice yourself, you just don't let yourself stop and think about that. I think if you've got to that stage, it's too late. If you're having to go through a process of. 'How do I deal with this?' It's probably too late. You've already, hopefully, got a process in place where you're just, it's just instinctively, you're just channelling that, focusing on little details. Because you know whatever the pressure, that's not going to influence you unless you need it. You just focus on the small tasks and you get through 80 minutes of rugby like that, keep a smile on your face. Lisa: Pull your focus into the job at hand instead of the: 'Oh my god. Everyone's watching me. Everyone's pressuring. Hang on a minute I've just got to pass this ball right now.' You're breaking it down into little tiny... Conrad: We all have little trigger words and I know we've talked about this: ‘Be in the now.' Be in the now, which is like just what you're talking about. It's not thinking about the mistake you might have just made, the ball you drop, the tackle you missed, and it's not worrying, and you're not thinking about the World Cup, you're going to win at the end of this game. Because you can't do anything. Right now. ‘Right now. Right now, I'm going to catch this next ball.' Look up, keep looking, keep calling, whatever it is. It's as simple as a little thing like that that just keeps you in tune with the moment and not letting you get overwhelmed by the bigger picture. Yeah, massively important, obviously. The bigger the moments and the bigger the pressure, it's the funny thing, it's the more important that you focus on the smaller, minute detail. Lisa: I love it. I said try to forget the consequences of what you're doing. You've done the preparation. You've done the work. You've done everything that you possibly can. You're standing on the start line, in my case, a race, then letting go of the outcome because you've done what you can do. And now, it's up to the whatever happens in the next few hours or days, in my case. So this was no longer just in your hands then. Because the gods have a thing to say about it as well. Sometimes, if you try and control the uncontrollable, then you'll drive yourself to madness, whereas if you can go, 'I've done the stuff that I was responsible for. I've put the work and I've done the preparation. I know my strategies. I know my pacing. I know whatever it is I'm doing. I got that right. Okay. I'm going to keep my eye on the ball here. But I'm going to let go of the outcome now.' Because when you let go of the outcome, then that pressure goes and you're in that... Being in that now is a really powerful message to people. Because when you're in the past or the future, you're either worrying about the future, or you're regretting what's happened in the past, or it's a load for you to carry. In the moment, when you're under pressure, all you can cope with is that second right now. The next minute. That's it. When I was running long distances, I would break it down into: 'What's the next power pole? I just got to get to the next power pole. If I can't even get that far, I'm just gonna take one more step.' You can always take one more step, right? If you break it down into one more step, just one more, and then you just keep going and keep going. Then, invariably, that mindset or that thing that's in your head passes, and then you're back in the game. Conrad: That's funny, you sound... because someone I remember that came and spoke to the team when we were outside joined the team in 2004, and we had Amish Carter came and spoke with the team. It was before the 2007 World Cup and obviously, that World Cup didn't end well, but some of what he said, I still remember it. He was talking about his Olympic performances, and he said, and I think one of the questions from the players was about we're talking: the nerves and the pressure. And I remember him saying that he wasn't nervous. He wasn't nervous when he got to the start line just for the reasons you said. He said: ‘Because then, I'd backed on my prep, I'd done everything I needed to do. Now, it was just a matter of going out and doing that. You can't do anymore.' It's funny that when I looked, especially towards into my career, the only times I would feel nervous normally, on the start of a week. So if we play the game on a Saturday, and that was because I'm nervous thinking of all the things I've got to do on the Monday, Tuesday. But by the Friday, I would have this real sense of calm. I'd have a smile and I'll be like, 'Right now, it's time to do it.' It's funny because people, it's the opposite. They're not thinking about a game on Monday, Tuesday, but they were getting nervous on before a game starts thinking, 'You must be even worse.' But yeah, that was the way I could explain it is that we're really... I was nervous thinking about the game but now, I've done all that. This is the path I've taken. This is the training I've done for this game. Now, I'm ready to... I'm going to go and do it and see if it works. Lisa: Yeah, this is the reward phase. This is actually what you've been preparing for all along, so this is the time when you actually should be enjoying it. It wasn't always that easy especially when you're doing a couple hundred K's somewhere because sometimes it's not that pleasant. But you've done the work to get to the start line and the times where I am being nervous is when I hadn't done the work. Conrad: Exactly. I think of some... I don't like admitting it but normally, with All Blacks, you always have checked every box but there were games, I'd go back even the Hurricanes or Club Games and that's the ones where I'd be nervous because I'd be thinking... ‘I haven't really... now this week. I probably haven't done…' Then, you get nervous but actually the bigger the occasion, the preparation is normally good. Lisa: You took it seriously and yeah, yeah. I've come stuck on some short races where I've had my ass handed to me because I went in with the... That's just the short race, and oh my god. Had my ass handed to me. So yeah, always respect every distance or every game. I think it's key. What's it actually like, Conrad, to be... The first time that you put on that All Blacks jersey? Because it's every little boy and now, little girl's dream too. What's it actually like to put on that sort of thing for the first time? Can you remember? Conrad: Yeah for sure. It's pretty special. I do think I was really lucky the way it panned out for me in terms of... It happened really quickly. I'd play. I hadn't even played the Super Rugby game. I hadn't played for the Hurricanes. When it started, I had a really... I was playing for the Wellington Lions. We made the final, and then I was picked, fortunately. So the coaching staff that had come in wanted to pick some new younger players and I was one of those. That was very much sort of out of the blue. Then, I was starting the following week. So I played a final. The team was picked. We assembled the end of that following week. We flew to Italy, and then I was playing. But that was great in hindsight because it didn't let me overthink that. It was sort of okay, and I just was like, 'Right.' Little bit like what I said before, 'I'm just going to enjoy it.' Admittedly there were people around me. Graham Henry, Ryan Smith, Steve Hansen, great coaches, and Gilbert Enoka that were giving me those messages. Just telling me, 'We're picking you in the first game. Just go and enjoy it. Just keep doing what you're doing. We love what you're doing.' So those messages for a young guy were perfect. I didn't actually question that. Yeah, I just took the jersey. I was still sort of pinching myself how quickly it happened. But yeah, then there I was playing and yeah, it was an amazing experience. I'm glad to say it never really diminished. I was lucky to play for over a decade, and it was always special putting on the jersey. The team does a great job, I think, of respecting the jersey, acknowledging how important it is to their country, what we mean to everyone, and staying grounded, and all that good stuff about acknowledging the connection that you have with the young men and women who are dreaming to being All Black, wishing they were there, would give anything to be in your place. So you're always aware of that, and so it never loses its glow. Then I put my jersey on. Brian Hoyer who was a big part of the team when I joined the team, he said ‘When you put the jersey on, you shouldn't be able to fit outside the doorway.' You grow that big. I'm not using the words and I always... For me, I was normally marking someone bigger than me or normally not the biggest in the room but I always felt that. That I have to turn sideways to get out the door but that was the sort of feeling and you hear that even today: The way you sort of, you grow in the jersey. Lisa: You're carrying the manner and the tradition of that, and the reputation of that, and the hopes of a nation, basically, on your shoulders, which can be either a load or it can be like, 'Wow, how lucky am I that I get to stand on the shoulders of those who have gone before?' Basically and like you said, 'Yeah, I can't fit through the door because I'm just filled with all that.' Okay, just a very quick anecdote. I was running through in the Gobi Desert at one point and we were running through these slot canyons. These really crazy. It was hot. One guy died out there that day which was really terrible. I was running through there and I was chasing down this American woman who was in front of me and I was second. I'm like, 'I've got to plan something here if I want to beat this person in front of me that I was chasing down through these canyons.' So I started singing the Maori Battalion song to myself and I started to... like my ancestors, and my tradition there, my heritage like, 'I'm going to bloody beat you, American. Yeah. I'm gonna chase you down, and I'm singing away to myself running along through this canyon.' I beat her, right. It was awesome. I just went dashing past her, and I beat her. But it was just like, 'Wow.' It's just like you're pulling out stuff that you... It's not just you. You're like your ancestors and your heritage, and they're powering you. So I imagine it's a bit the same with the All Blacks jersey. Conrad: Yeah. It's powerful stuff. Like, and it's all about creating something bigger than you. There's no doubt the history of things or like you say, in individual sports. As soon as you can create that connection to a greater cause. Actually, in the All Blacks, it's actually easy. I say this when I talk to other sports teams around how they create the identity. But the All Blacks had it handed to them because they have 130 years of whatever it is of this amazing performance, of this history, this black jersey that this country that's mad obsessed with them, great air of success and also, this idea that we do unite. We're the flagship of New Zealand. Rightly or wrongly, that's the way we're saying and you got to embrace that. The fact that every time an All Black teams practice, it's a culture we have in New Zealand. This great collection of men who are representing the country. You capture that in the right way, and it counts as something. The field is 00 but I always felt... Yeah, when we got it right, we're straight away. That's worth some points at least on the board. It's something special that the All Blacks do have, and to the credit of the team, the whole time, I was involved. I know that it's carrying on that the way they connect and acknowledge that, it's really well done. It's the reason that the team continues to perform well. Lisa: And it does it empower whole generations. Like I said to my brother Dawson, my dad wanted him to be an All Black, and he wanted him to meet all those milestones along the way. I remember like... We lost my dad last year, as people know, if they listened to my podcast. I said to my brother the other day, 'Dawson,' because he went to the game up at the park, at Pukekura Park and they had the 25-year anniversary for the Ranfurly Shield because he was on the Ranfurly Shield team. He was excited to go to the Ranfurly Shield thing, and I remember that being the proudest moment of my dad's life. Of all the things that my dad got to do and see, all of their kids, I said to Dawson, 'You gave him the highest point in his life was when you came home with that Ranfurly Shield, and you're a part of that Taranaki Team. That was, for him, the pinnacle.' That's beautiful because that is just like... Especially when you've lost somebody... And Dawson's like, to be able to go and celebrate that Ranfurly Shield with his old mates and reminisce on those times. That stays with you to the end: those special moments that you get, and that camaraderie that comes with it, and all of that sort of stuff. He gave my dad a precious gift really by being a part of that team. Dad was just so proud. Dawson said to me once, 'Lisa, you could run across every fricking desert in the world and it would still not mean as much as that Ranfurly Shield.' And I said, 'You're damn right, and that's okay.' Because he was right in that. It's okay because he loved rugby, and he loved rugby teams, and the rugby world. My dad played, what do you call that? Fifth-grade rugby until he was 45 and he only quit because people were telling him he was too old, and then he played touch for another 10 years. He was a legend. A legend. You're carrying all that on your shoulders. There are five and six-year-old kids looking at you on screen like you did with Daws back then. Like, 'Oh, these big Taranaki players and stuff.' That's just beautiful. I had that just wanting to represent New Zealand in something because I couldn't be in All Blacks because back then, we didn't have women playing rugby, much to my dad's disappointment. Actually watching the girls at the sevens in the Olympics, oh, I just fell in love with that team. They were just epic. Ruby Tui is my new bloody hero. She's just amazing. I think she's just epic. But just to watch the camaraderie of those girls and the performance that they put on, I'm glad that women now have the chance to do that tough stuff too. Because that's pretty special as well: seeing girls going there and giving it everything, just going hard. Conrad: You speak to the Black Ferns, the women's rugby, it's growing so much not just in New Zealand, but around the world and that's pretty exciting, especially for Fifteens and the opportunity it's giving so many young women. Yeah and so for myself, that's really refreshing now with international rugby and the Player Association and we deal with both men and women's. The joy I hear working in women's rugby, seriously, compared to men's, especially men's Fifteens, it's a lot of established... Careful with my words, but it's just so hard. To put it simply, it's so hard to get things done even if you agree there's so much. Whereas in the women's game, it's so refreshing. There's just an openness and the enthusiasm. They just, 'Yep. Let's get that done and this.' You will see, women's rugby going to go great in the next few years, and it's because of... In the men's game, I don't like to say it, but it might not have anywhere near the same growth or evolution just because it's... Lisa: Stayed in the old ways. It obviously breaks everything, isn't it? Conrad: The money, the money at that level is so big that there's so much at stake. That's just what grinds along, whereas the women's game, they're not... Obviously, they're trying to commercialise on the game, but it's crumbs compared to the men's for things at the moment. But they'll catch up at a huge rate because they're just open about... Like at the moment, they're motivated by having fun, being patient, at getting the product out, getting more and more women and girls playing the game. Lisa: That's amazing and isn't that though that's a really good analogy for everything in the world? Like that the big old institutions or big bureaucracies are going to be struggling in the future, I think. Completely off-topic but from the governments, to the big corporations, to the big institutions are going to be struggling against these young, nimble, small, exponentially powered technology-based companies and the rate of change that's coming that these big state, old bureaucratic, not just talking about rugby here, but governments and things are actually going to be on the backfoot shortly. I always think of that Kodak, the company Kodak that used to be the biggest player in the world and photography, right? They didn't go with digital evolution, then they went under. Because they were too busy trying to protect what they already had, they actually discovered digital photography. They started it, but they didn't pursue it because they thought, 'Oh, that's going to be a threat to our current existing business.' That mindset is when you get overtaken by the young upstarts that come along with enthusiasm and they can, on a company-wide level, they're smaller. They're nimble. They can make decisions quicker. They can move faster. I see this in all areas happening. Hopefully, in the right way it'll brush off as well, but the girls certainly are next level. Conrad: They're great. And I've got to know a few of them, a few of the Black Ferns. Lisa: Can you help me out with Ruby? I want to get in with Ruby. Conrad: That is such great Kiwi so yeah, more than happy. She'd love to chat. Lisa: Woohoo. Okay. I know she's pretty busy right now. Everybody in the world wants to see her right now. And the other girls, they're just amazing. Conrad, as we wrap it up now in a minute because I know you got to go, but what is it that you want to get across? So if we highlighted a couple of points now, if you were talking to your children, you've got two kids, what do you want them to do in the future? Or what would you, if you were talking to some young kids out there that want to have a life in the sporting world? What's some last parting wisdom or for the parents of those kids? Conrad: Yeah, I think if you're speaking to parents, the first thing is the value of sport, I think. I just worry a little bit. I know I'm working in rugby, and there's some crazy things being said about the potential harms of playing a contact sport. But honestly, I've had the benefit of seeing, digging a lot deeper into that and that is not at all as clear as it's conveyed because of the sensationalism of journalism. Kids are kids. They love playing. If I leave my boy and his next-door neighbour, they're gonna wrestle; they're gonna fight. There's no harm in playing. But on the flip side, the harm of not playing sport, of sheltering them, of thinking, of sitting in a lounge with a Coke and a bag of lolly is better for a kid than going and playing rugby because he might knock his head. That's so far from the truth. That would be my wish for parents' young kids. Just play sport but... And then, I suppose, if it's to reflect on what we've talked about, when the kid means getting serious about a sport, it would be to keep you balanced, to not lose sight. If you're put in a bubble because it's a performance bubble, then that's all well and good but now, it's a bubble and you need to step out of that every chance you get and connect with the real world as much as you can. Unfortunately, there are dangers and there are risks when you are totally invested into a sport. The crazy thing is sport is a great thing. It should be enjoyed and if you're even not enjoying it, it's not hard just to talk to someone and step outside your sport to reconnect with the people in the real world. Then, that should give you back your love of the game, and then you'll go well and be like Lisa and I and have a life where you've had a sport that you've loved, and it's given you amazing opportunities, and literally meet great people, and you still come out of it, and you're still happy, and still meet people but doing different things. Lisa: This is gold. Conrad, thank you so much for your time today. I really appreciate it. I'm looking forward to doing our speaking gig together shortly and that's going to be exciting. I'm just really glad to have made your acquaintance and I think that you have such a level approach, level-headed approach to this whole thing and gave us some great insights today on what it is to be an All Black, but also what it is to come out the other side and gave us some really good perspective. So thanks for your time today, Conrad. Conrad: Pleasure, Lisa. That's it this week for Pushing the Limits. 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Have you read the rumors about this newfangled thing on Amazon called Vella? Whether you have or not Stevie and Gretchen are going to tell you about it. While they might not have a lot of information at this point, they will share with you what they got and their thoughts on the process this far and where things might be headed. Check out their Vella stories: Persephone Plus: Seasons of Change https://www.amazon.com/kindle-vella/story/B0932PQPB7 Lone Wolf: https://www.amazon.com/kindle-vella/story/B092KZN53M Fair Weather Writers: https://www.amazon.com/kindle-vella/story/B096TXN75P Book spotlight: Wishes and Wellingtons by Julie Berry, About Us: Find Stevie at: Instagram.com/stevieraecausey Join my newsletter and get a free book (https://www.subscribepage.com/amasairisingfree) Find Gretchen at: https://www.facebook.com/authorGretchenSB/ Join my mailing list (https://www.subscribepage.com/q5n9x0) Opening and Closing music: Corazon-Flamenco Guitar 1 & Corazon - Chord Patter 1 Artwork By: Becca Rocconi instagram.com/sugargems_design/ Our Lovely Editor: https://www.fiverr.com/christineribal
Today we have a short bonus episode on the Peninsular War. Marcus Cribb, manager of Apsley House, joins the podcast today to answer the question, 'was Wellington a defensive General?' In this fun, concise episode he explains his thoughts and tries to shatter some of the myths. To read more about Marcus's thoughts on Wellingtons generalship please see his excellent article: https://www.dukeofwellington.org/post/the-best-of-wellington-five-of-the-iron-duke-s-victories-that-surpass-waterloo I would also appreciate it if you signed up for my website's monthly newsletter packed with fun links and updates - https://redcoathistory.com/newsletter
Na nieuwe liefdesperikelen, beleeft Beethoven een groot succes met zijn gelegenheidscompositie ‘Wellingtons Sieg'. Ook een herwerkte versie van zijn opera Fidelio verovert alle Europese operahuizen. Beethoven is op het hoogtepunt van zijn roem. Alleen op familiaal vlak zit de wind niet mee. Wanneer in 1815 zijn dierbare broer Kaspar Karl overlijdt, eist hij het voogdijschap op over zijn minderjarig neefje Karl. Het is een verantwoordelijkheid die hem nog heel wat kopzorgen zal bezorgen…
We detect a downshift in the mood of Democrats. We perceive Liberals losing their faith in "progress" and their "view of the world" as they bitterly cling to their "Obama Dolls" in the Trump Era. Stephen Pinker's new book, Enlightenment Now, attempts to stave off panic in these "wavering souls." But does he succeed? Philosopher John Gray doesn't think so. Former Hillary advisor Philippe Reines marvels over Trump's "remarkable" Pennsylvania Rally and says he sees how Trump could win in 2020. Beseiged Never Trumper Bill Kristol develops a curious "Davy Crockett Complex." Alamo time? MSNBC's Joy Reid defends the IQ of Maxine Waters. CNN avoids coverage of the Democrats' growing Farrakhan Scandal. Elizabeth "Pocahontas" Warren refuses a DNA test. ABC's Joy Behar privately apologizes to VP Mike Pence. Trump floats "paper" ballots. Mueller contemplates the Seychelles as Democrats migrate their hopes over to porn star Stormy Daniels. Meanwhile, a new Harvard-Harris poll shows overwhelming support for Trump's trade policies. Also, we explore new revelations from AG Jeff Sessions concerning his quiet appointment of an experienced investigator into Deep State malfeasance. Grounds for optimism? Has Stealth Sessions been up to more than we've realized? Former DA Joe diGenova weighs in. Plus, we remark on the 48th Anniversary of The Beatles song "Let It Be." With Listener Calls & Music via Jamey Johnson, George Strait, the Wellingtons and The Beatles. Sacred Song duet from Hank Williams and Little Jimmy Dickens. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
インタビューエピソードパート２ 浅野浩治は、英語・中国語を含む外国語のナレーション・吹替え音声を提供するボイス・エージェント「Just Global Media」のディレクター。オーストラリアのラジオ局にてDJとして7年間活動した後、世界の様々な分野で活躍する地球人へのインタビュー音声を配信するインターネットラジオ「Just Global」を立ち上げる。今までに、ベストセラー作家の山崎拓巳氏や、日本のポッドキャスト界の先駆者である早川洋平氏を含む、多彩なゲストに迎えている。「音」に関わる活動はそれだけに留まらず、日本を含む世界でCDをリリースするロックバンド「The Wellingtons」のギタリストとしても活動中。2017年に5枚目のアルバムをリリースし、海外ツアーを予定。 Want to learn more about today's guest, special offer and where you can connect with her? Click here (…)
浅野浩治は、英語・中国語を含む外国語のナレーション・吹替え音声を提供するボイス・エージェント「Just Global Media」のディレクター。オーストラリアのラジオ局にてDJとして7年間活動した後、世界の様々な分野で活躍する地球人へのインタビュー音声を配信するインターネットラジオ「Just Global」を立ち上げる。今までに、ベストセラー作家の山崎拓巳氏や、日本のポッドキャスト界の先駆者である早川洋平氏を含む、多彩なゲストに迎えている。「音」に関わる活動はそれだけに留まらず、日本を含む世界でCDをリリースするロックバンド「The Wellingtons」のギタリストとしても活動中。2017年に5枚目のアルバムをリリースし、海外ツアーを予定。 浅野浩治はオーストラリア公認会計士の経験もあり。 Want to learn more about today's guest, special offer and where you can connect with her? Click here (…) Her Confidence Her Way Youtube Channel: http://bit.ly/herconfidenceTV
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