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The legal industry is facing its “Netflix vs. Blockbuster” moment. AI, automation, and alternative legal service providers (ALSPs) are rapidly reshaping how legal services are delivered, and the biggest question is: Who will adapt—and who will be left behind? Roger Pilc leads a $600M+ division at Epiq, bringing experience from McKinsey, Booz Allen, CA Technologies, and Pitney Bowes. With insights from Satya Nadella's vision on AI, Clayton Christensen's The Innovator's Dilemma, and leadership lessons from Peter Drucker, Adam Grant(Author of Think Again), and Daniel Pink(Author of Drive), Roger explains how ALSPs are positioned to disrupt legal in ways law firms and Big Four consultancies cannot. In this episode, we explore how Legal Service Management mirrors IT's digital transformation, why Zach Posner at TLTF is betting on AI-driven legal platforms, and how Nicole Giantonio and the team at Epiq are investing in tech that's changing legal service delivery. Key Takeaways You Can Use Today: Legal is facing a “Simultaneous Equation Problem.” GCs must manage rising litigation, regulatory complexity, and shrinking budgets—but traditional models no longer work. AI & ALSPs Are Changing Everything. Like Netflix disrupting Blockbuster, AI-powered legal service models are creating massive efficiencies for corporate legal teams. The 30% Rule: Leadership is Talent Spotting. Echoing Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Jack Welch, Roger spends 30% of his time recruiting and developing top talent—a critical strategy for legal leaders.

In this episode of the Business Growth Hacks podcast, we touch on the intricacies of the customer journey and the pivotal role of personalization in today's market. Join us as we explore how businesses, regardless of size, can implement strategies similar to giants like Netflix and Amazon to attract, convert, and nurture customers. We'll discuss practical approaches to personalize customer experiences, the shift from traditional to digital marketing, and why understanding your customer's behavior is more critical than ever.You'll hear insights on how sales teams can adapt to modern prospecting methods, the benefits of personalized marketing, and the importance of building meaningful relationships with clients. Whether you're a small business owner or a sales professional, this episode is packed with valuable advice on how to stay ahead in a rapidly evolving digital landscape.Key Points:- [0:00] - Welcome and Introduction Introduction to the episode and the importance of customer personalization.- [0:29] - The Power of Three Tiers Exploring the effectiveness of the three-tier model: free, mid-grade, and premium.- [1:07] - Personalization for All Overcoming the misconception that personalization is only for big companies.- [1:51] - Traditional vs. Personalized Marketing The difference between traditional advertising and personalized marketing.- [2:55] - Real-World Example Personalized advertising vs. traditional billboards: a practical illustration.- [3:22] - Digital Behavior Insights Impact of digital behavior tracking on personalized marketing.- [4:04] - Sales Team Personalization Applying personalization to in-house and external sales teams.- [5:13] - Shifting from Cold Calling The shift from cold calling to inbound marketing strategies.- [6:48] - Value of Targeted Leads Inefficiency of mass email blasts and the value of targeted leads.- [7:13] - Podcasting as a Marketing Tool Using podcasts for personalized marketing and relationship building.- [8:17] - The Role of Modern Salespeople The role of salespeople in the age of digital self-service.Links Mentioned:Beefy Marketing: https://beefymarketing.com/Wingman: https://trustyourwingman.com/Thank you for tuning in to another episode of the Business Growth Hacks podcast. Don't forget to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts, so you never miss an episode. Ready to take your business to the next level? Visit us at https://www.beefymarketing.com. And remember, if you enjoyed this episode, please share, and review our podcast!

Lesley and Brad reflect on Lesley's interview with Nick Hutchison, founder of BookThinkers and author of 'Rise of the Reader.' Discover Nick's inspiring journey from indifference to reading to becoming a passionate advocate for personal development books. Learn practical strategies for reading more effectively, including setting specific, measurable goals and integrating reading into your daily routine. Get actionable tips on how to read 20 books a year and retain valuable information, enhancing your personal and professional growth. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why feeling like an impostor is normal when starting something new.The value of audience engagement and feedback in the creative process.Importance of reading books that address specific problems or build skills.Set SMART goals in retaining and applying knowledge gained from books. Targeted reading to address and solve personal problems effectively.Episode References/Links:OPC Summer Camp - soOPC Summer TourBalanced BodyeLevate 2025 BookThinkers WebsiteBookThinkers InstagramRise of the ReaderThe Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. DEALS! Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox Be in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramFacebookLinkedIn  Episode Transcript:Brad Crowell 0:00  He always asks them, "If I paid you $10,000, if you read this book in the next month, would you do it?" And of course they would say, "yeah, yeah, yeah, I would totally do it." And he said, "Great, I've caught you in my trap." And the trap is obviously prioritization. We don't prioritize reading, so we don't read, right?Lesley Logan 0:24  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  Lesley Logan 1:06  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life Brad and I are going to dig in to the pragmatic convo I had with Nick Hutchison in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to this episode, you should. You should just listen to it. So listen in any order you want. Doesn't really matter to us. But go listen to Nick. He is incredible. He's amazing. He's also just like, really like, sweet, nice dude. And he, it's announced we can say, he is expecting his first kid.Brad Crowell 1:32  I didn't know that. That's exciting. Congratulations, Nick.Lesley Logan 1:35  Oh. Get on social. I know. Brad Crowell 1:37  Yeah, I'm all over that. (Inaudible)Lesley Logan 1:39  Well, he can do Dad's Club. He could do Vincent's Dad's Club. Yeah. Brad Crowell 1:39  Yeah. I'll connect the dots there, Nick. That's exciting. Lesley Logan 1:46  I love it. He didn't even ask for dad advice and I'm like you should do this thingBrad Crowell 1:50  Congratulations. You're going to get it. Lesley Logan 1:50  So today is May 30th. It is World MS Day. About this day, World Multiple Sclerosis Day, falling on May 30th, invites dialogue on the disease. Multiple sclerosis, MS, is a relapse-remitting disease with a very slow progression. MS is also known as encephalomyelitis disseminata and its symptoms include muscle weakness, double vision and mental physical problems due to lack of research studies on the disease. The exact causes behind it are generally unknown. Many scientists believe that there might be connected to the onset of the disease and genes or nerve-cell dysfunction. Furthermore, there's no permanent cure yet. The symptoms can be relieved using the right set of treatments and medication. I just want to like shout out because there's actually been a lot of talk about this. Selma Blair, I believe, did a docu-series or documentary about this. She's been very vocal about it. Christina Applegate is now in a cane. And she, I believe, has to stop acting because of it and like she had a really amazing show, even up until very recently.Brad Crowell 3:00  We just met someone in Phoenix PLT who has MS.Lesley Logan 3:05  Yeah. Jack Osbourne has it. Montel Williams and Jamie-Lynn Sigler. There's actually more. There's, I'm gonna see if there's anyone you might know. But there's Tamia Hill, David lLnder, Walter Williams, Jonathan Katz, Janice Dean, Richard Pryor, Neil Cavuto, Trevor Bayne. So there's a ton more. I'm sure there's more. The only reason I brought these people up is like, you might have like, loved them for a long time and wonder what they're doing. And the truth is, is that this is a really hard and really sad thing that we have no information on, there's not a lot of treatments or studies being done on it, and it's a real shame. So anyways, but shout out to Selma Blair for the work that she's been doing to draw attention to it. So what do we got coming up? Okay. OPC Summer Camp is like this weekend. It is this weekend, not like, it is this weekend. Brad Crowell 3:56  It is May 30th. That means we're looking at two days from now is June 1st.Lesley Logan 4:03  Yes. So Brad and I will have our blue blockers along (inaudible). We are going to have to go to bed early tomorrow night, Brad, because you have to get up super early on Saturday. We are it's all hands on deck because it is just like Zoom. Like it's seven Zooms a day, seven different links, seven different teachers each day. Different groups of people, some people have day pass, some people have bought ala carte, so we have to be on top of everything. As a camp directors that we are, and we have 13 other camp counselors and just an incredible lineup of events for you. This is the biggest thing we've ever done online and we really hope you join us because it's, it's really it's all about the Pilates practitioner. You do not have to be a teacher to join these. And if you can't join us live you get to have the replays. So buy them anyways.Brad Crowell 4:48  That's right. I think that's the key. If you can't join us live, you get to keep the replays. Lesley Logan 4:53  Yeah, so opc.me/events is how you get your tickets before we go live. Okay, after that we're actually going to head out on tour. OPC Summer Tour. We're headed to the Midwest, y'all. We're hitting cities. We just pretty much skip over all the time. And so, Chicago. I'm looking at Yale. Brad Crowell 5:13  Milwaukee. One of the Twin Cities.Lesley Logan 5:14  Milwaukee. Yes. One of the Twin Cities. Brad Crowell 5:15  We're actually looking atLesley Logan 5:18  Indy.Brad Crowell 5:19  Yeah, sure.Lesley Logan 5:19  We have something in Denver. I mean, we go to Denver all the time, but we're going to, we're going to Denver. Colorado Springs. We are looking at Indy. I think we talked to someone. Brad Crowell 5:31  We're potentially gonna be in Cincinnati. We're looking at that. Lesley Logan 5:34  Yeah. So at any rate, lots of places. I think there's like 12 cities over the two weeks.Brad Crowell 5:40  We're gonna kick it off in Vegas. So we just added a 13th. Lesley Logan 5:42  Oh, hello, Vegas. Hi, for the love, thanks for being our kickoff location and sending us off on the way. So anyways, it's gonna be a lot of fun. Our headlining sponsor is Balanced Body, that means goodies, and you know, you're gonna get certificate towards buying that piece of equipment you've always wanted. And if you use my link, you get the discount. So boom, extra credit. Okay, then another thing that's happening as we speak now, but in June, hopefully open up the doors to eLevate for 2025. And I know that sounds a little early, but the reality is, is that the mentorship is a nine-month program. There's five weekends, I like to give people plenty of time to get their schedule ready, get ready for it, plan for it, and also be able to pay for it. So it is an investment and I don't take that lightly. So if you are wanting to learn more about eLevate if you want to, if you already know you want to do it, we only take 12 people in a round, you want to go to lesleylogan.co/ew. And by the way, my name is spelled L-E-S-L-E-Y L-O-G-A-N (lesleylogan.co/ew) That means eLevate waitlist.Brad Crowell 6:45  If you missed all that and we still have spots left, just reach out to us. If you want to join us.Lesley Logan 6:51  We don't know if we have spots left because we're recording in theBrad Crowell 6:51  We're recording ahead of time.Lesley Logan 6:55  Ahead of time. Brad Crowell 6:57  But yes, let's shift over to the audience question. So this is from schonliving on Instagram, I'm building my hours towards my Pilates mat certification and I find teaching group classes is much harder than one-on-one. Any tips to overcoming the fear, insecurity, anxiety and the form of impostor syndrome that I'm experiencing from being in front of a group class?Lesley Logan 7:24  Yeah, so schonliving, let me, okay, I love this question. First of all, a lot of people even say that they prefer a class to a private and that's because in the class they like it's kind of chaotic, and they, they don't have, there's a lot going on. So no one will notice that they might be nervous and on a one-on-one people can sense it. So I love that you are so confident on your one-on-ones it's actually quite hard to do. So I would say you're winning. The second thing I would just say is if you find you have imposter syndrome and you're new at anything, so this is for anyone, if you're new at something, you should feel like an imposter. You are new at it. If you didn't feel nervous. You are an egomaniac, narcissistic person who should probably go get like, like checked out. So anyway, here's what I will say is if you haven't listened to last week's episode goes into my my answer on cueing, you are new, you are not going to have it all figured out. You are going to have been a little nervous. What I would say first of all, the thing that I always do when I step into something that makes me nervous, I could just go, it's showtime and I be it till I see it. How would you act if you already were feeling confident teaching group classes? How would you act? How would you hold yourself? Like how would you welcome people into your class? How would you? How would you greet the class? How would you start the class? What is your speech for the class? How would you end the class, right? Don't worry about Brad Crowell 7:24  Yeah, you just be it till you see it.Lesley Logan 8:43  Yeah, don't worry about what you're gonna say in the middle of class. What are the in cast that you can control that you want to say to invite people into a space that you're in control of? Okay, so that's first and foremost. Second, my teacher Jay Grimes would say bad Pilates, get used to it. Dangerous Pilates, never. I always translate that to ugly Pilates, get used to it. Dangerous Pilates, never. When you're teaching a bunch of people who have different learning styles and different abilities of paying attention, it's gonna be a hot mess. So you need to look at a class and like be able to spot danger and correct that. Anything in between danger and perfect, just let it be. Okay? It will, they need to come back and they will get better. So that'd be my other thing. And the next thing is, is that people become teachers and in weekends now, like literally in a weekend or months, maybe showing that you, you've been doing this for a year, I don't know. But something tells me probably not. My teacher would say you're not really a teacher till I've been teaching for five years. And so just teach as many people as you can.Brad Crowell 9:54  Not in a judgment way. But the reality is there's so much to process and dots to connect and you know, just understanding plus you have to, you should be feeling it in your own body, too. You know, so it just takes time, y'all. It takes time.Lesley Logan 10:09  A lot of questions and worries and concerns you have they kind of answer themselves, the more you teach. So what I would say is get some friends together that love you. And to say I need to practice teaching a class and just teach them and they in return should give you testimonials. That's what they should do. That is, but that's going to help you but your goal, of course you're gonna feel nervous. You obviously care about doing well. So that says to me, nervous energy, and impostor syndrome just shows that you care and that you're brand new at something. You would never let a client go, oh, I can't do the 100 on day one. Because (inaudible).Brad Crowell 10:14  You would laugh at them and say, of course you can't. Lesley Logan 10:49  You're new. Brad Crowell 10:50  You just started.Lesley Logan 10:51  So my dear, of course you are nervous. You're new. And so for anyone who does teach Pilates, all this stuff applies to everything you want. You got to be it till you see it. How would you act if you already knew how to do the thing? And second of all, if you're beginner, kindness and graciousness and patience with yourself.Brad Crowell 11:09  Yeah, to yourself with yourself. Exactly. Yeah, great question. Okay. Now let's talk about Nick Hutchison. Nick Hutchison is the founder of BookThinkers, a company dedicated to helping authors promote and market their books. Initially indifferent to reading, Nick's outlook transformed in his early 20s after discovering the transformative power of personal development books. Today, as he's a lifelong learner, he has penned Rise of the Reader and podcast host of BookThinkers, Life Changing Books, his work across various platforms provides valuable strategies for implementing the lessons learned from books into everyday life.Lesley Logan 11:51  Yeah, he's cool. I really, I really enjoy him. I was on his podcast, BookThinkers, by the way. Brad Crowell 11:59  He's the nicest dude. Lesley Logan 11:59  Just really nice, very thoughtful. He's very perceptive. He listens. And he integrates it, he analyzes it, and he puts it out. It's just really wonderful. Get his book, you guys, if you are reading books, so that we're talking about on the podcast, and like, I'm not retaining enough, get his book. It's so, so, so good. It's been so helpful. Based off of his book, he taught a little mini version of it to us at the BBG event we went to, and I found that I took less tasks home, because I was like, the only thing I have to do is this thing, I'm only here for this thing, this is my intention for the next few days. And I really listened to a lot of things I was like, That's a great idea, not mine, that's a great idea, not mine, I left going, I just have these three things I'm going to do when I leave, and it's only been three, it's like two. And I'm really, really happy about it, because it's just great. So go get his book. Brad Crowell 12:47  Love that. Lesley Logan 12:48  One of the things I love he said that don't assume what your audience wants. And we mentioned the four agreements.And so the four Agreements, in case you've not read the book is don't take anything personally, don't make assumptions. The other two are be honorable with your word. If you say you're gonna do it, do it. And then there's a fourth one, always do your best. He said, don't assume what they want, ask them what they want. And then they should be brought along with you. Too often, a lot of people who are in this, maybe you're not wanting to write a book, but maybe you want to create a product or on-demand course or have an event. Most people protect it, hold it preciously to themselves. And then they're like, I get it. Here it is, here's the thing I made for you. But you didn't get any feedback along the way. So they weren't part of building it with you, which means they're not invested in the thing that you're excited about. And you didn't get the feedback along the way to know that they would want blue over green. Brad Crowell 13:35  Well, you guys both used personal experiences to relay, relay this obviously, the the first launch of Agency. You know, there was a lot of emotions tied up in that flop and also a shit ton of hours to spending time to like make this thing actually come together. And then Nick laughed and said, oh, I did that. He built an entire app. And he spent hundreds of hours and tens of thousands of dollars to build this app and nobody used it. And that's because we were making assumptions prior to rolling the thing out and then what you talked about with the flashcards was when you were rolling out the second reformer deck, you share the process along the way. And it got people that much more excited that much more excited. And it was it was considerably more of a powerful experience and launch for people than the first deck. Lesley Logan 14:31  Well, we were just at Pilates on tour in Phoenix. And this one girl is like, oh, I'm on the waitlist for the barrels and I'm like, oh, thank you so much. And I went to update her she's like, oh, I got the email. You're in the editing process right now. And she was so excited. So like take them on the journey because they actually get excited with you. They want to know what's going on. Like it was really cool and we hopefully by the time this comes out, it's on presale, because were obviously recording earlier, but it is part of it. And I can't recall if we've ever talked about this on here, but I'm just gonna bring it up in case you missed the episode. You know, we were at the Soho House couple days where we saw Nick in person last month. And this guy was just like how do you get people to wait for things. And it's really not about waiting for things. It's also about buying things. He was bringing up waiting, but to me how I think about how purchasing power you all listening have the purchasing power, every single one of you. You determine if something is successful or not. So you need to know that in everything that you buy, you actually give feedback based on your dollars. Okay, you've voting dollars, like you have a lot of different things you can think about with your money. And I, I shared that I bring people on the journey, I get them excited, I tell them the process behind the thing. And eight years ago, I might not have done that because I might have been like oh my God they're going to take my idea. They're going to be able to do it. Now they know how to do it. Here's the thing. And Nick and I talked about this. James Altucher says that less than 2% of people, yeah, less than 2% of people actually take action on any idea, let alone yours. And being part of the process makes them want to do it. So at any rate, I really love that he brought that up. I think it's useful not just for authors, but for anyone creating anything anywhere. What did you love that he said?Brad Crowell 16:14  I really loved when he was talking about the different reasons that people use excuses, justifications that people use why they don't read. He was talking about, I'm so busy or in a company, I've got a family, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he he always asks him, if I paid you $10,000 if you read this book in the next month would you do it? And of course, they would say yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would totally do it. And he said, great, I've caught you in my trap. And the trap is, is obviously prioritization. We don't prioritize reading so we don't read, right? And his book is pretty cool in that it gives some practical advice on how to read 20 books a year by doing 15 minutes a day, which is 1% of your day. If you, if you do that, you're going to put yourself on track to read those 20 books a year. And he basically said, listen, it's not a question of whether or not we can read the books. It's a question of whether or not we value it enough. Right? It's about picking books that solve problems and build skill sets. And so you know, you know, whether you read as an escape, like, you know, to like to step away from the crazy hectic that you have, or you read to learn. When you're picking up a book for, especially for the learning, the rest of his book helps you actually apply and retain and apply the information that you're learning from that book.Lesley Logan 17:55  Yeah, I mean, I actually do like that you said that. We had another guy who said like, what if I told you if I pay you a million dollars to lose 50 pounds overnight could you do it? And he went like 50 pounds overnight? And he said, sure you could. You could have a leg off. Right? He's like, not ideal, but you could, right? And I Brad Crowell 18:12  He did say that and I was like I heard, he did say that. That's true. Lesley Logan 18:17  There's always a way. And I think it is, you know, like really asking yourself what you're prioritizing. And I think we talked about this in the episode which is like, you know, your entertainment time? Like, how much of it are you watching? Like Netflix? What if you just took a little bit of it, like a little portion of your entertainment time and read a book? That could solve the problem.Brad Crowell 18:35  Well, I laughed when he said, Yeah, it was working for this guy who suggested that I take my drive time, my 10 hours of drive time and start listening to podcasts. And I started taking notes on the pods, then decided to implement some of the strategies on the pods. And later, that same boss was like, wait, hold on. So now you're reading books, you're taking notes on the books, and then you're actually taking that advice and implementing it into your life. And he said, Nick, that's weird. He said nobody does that. That's amazing.Lesley Logan 18:37  He was using it in his job and it was making him way better at his job. And his own boss was like, what? How do you know this? How do you do this? So like it can, if you want to differentiate yourself, like it's not about being like 10 years ahead of some people sometimes just being a little bit ahead and that knowledge is that kind of power. So yeah.Brad Crowell 19:26  It's true. Brad Crowell 19:27  All right, welcome back. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Nick Hutchison? He said, set a SMART goal for each of the books that you read. We've talked about SMART goals before. SMART stands, it's an acronym, stands for specific, measurable, attainable, relevant and time-bound goals. Right? So specific, measurable, measurable meaning what's not measured can't really be managed. So set goals that are measurable, attainable. Set a realistic goal, trying to consume too much of an unrealistic goal makes you, it allows procrastination to creep in because it doesn't seem attainable. Then, relevant. You emotionally connect to the information. What does this book going to do for you? Ask yourself why am I actually reading this book and then time-bound. Give yourself an actual deadline to take actions on what you're learning in that book. Or for some of us, it might just be a timeout action to read the damn thing in the first place. Right? So he also includes writing down intentions on the inside cover of the book that you own and then reviewing it every time you read another chapter. So what are your intentions for this book, finished chapter two, go back and read your intentions. finished chapter three, read your intentions, finished chapter four. I think it's a really interesting way to stay focused on what you're trying to get out of the book. And you know, instead of just being like, I'm reading the book, I got through the book. Okay, next. I got through that book, too. I got through this book, too. No, you're actually anchoring, what you're learning against what your intentions for that book were. Pretty cool. Lesley Logan 21:08  Or I think, also, if you, like some books might have several things you can learn from them. But if you stick with one intention, you can always go back through. And like read it with a different intention. Yeah, yeah. But this way, you can actually not just take in information, you can integrate what you're learning, because you're not taking on too much information at one time.Brad Crowell 21:24  I love it. What about you? Lesley Logan 21:25  Okay, he said do a little personal edit, find a problem that you're dealing with and identify the problem and then go there and find a book that can help you solve it correctly. So he said, a lot of us won't do this. He's a warrant. If you don't fix it over the next 30 years, you'll experience that problem almost 11,000 more times. So. Brad Crowell 21:42  It's pretty insane. Lesley Logan 21:43  It's insane. But it's true. Because if you think of like, we have like 60,000, or whatever the amount of thoughts per day, and like 80% of them are like the same thought, because you haven't solved the problem. And you're just like rerunning that in your head. So I would just say, a lot of times people ask for advice on like, what books should I be reading? But yes, you could ask others for that. That could be very helpful. But if you first identify the problem, you might like the book that you pick up first better because it's about you. And we only care about solving our own problems. So there it is. Brad Crowell 22:15  Yeah, yeah. Lesley Logan 22:16  Anyways, Nick is awesome. Just you can actually follow him on Instagram and get really great book advice. You could you can also listen to his podcast BookThinkers to get really great ideas on like, what's a book that can solve a problem that you want to solve? So check him out and let us know what your favorite parts were. Share this with a friend if you've got a friend who's like saying they want to read more. That's a really good episode. Help them understand how they can do that and prioritize that reading goal. And until next time, you guys, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 22:41  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 22:42  Thank you so much for listening. How are you going to use these tips in your life, share with us, share with a friend and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 22:48  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 22:50  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. 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This week's podcast is about how generative AI is disrupting content creation. This is a major tech shift and a lot of big incumbents (such as Netflix and Disney) are going to be impacted.You can listen to this podcast here, which has the slides and graphics mentioned. Also available at iTunes and Google Podcasts.Here is the link to the China Tech Tour.Generative AI companies to try:OpenAI / ChatGPTOpenAI / DALL-EMidjourneySynthesiaAIVALexicaWellsaidlabs5 Winners in Generative AISpecific, niche content creators, usually based on people. Such as sports content, game shows, and reality TV. Also, some creators with do very but will follow a power law.Content production tied to community or servicesAudience builder platforms Learning platformsCreator tools providers with standardization Network Effects, such as Adobe.2 Likely Losers in Generative AIContent publishers. These intermediaries (such as book publishers) don't have much of a role unless they unless they control demand or distribution.Stand alone content creators. Content can be created in house and purchased. They will struggle with coming wave of high-quality, free content. That's Disney, Netflix, most tv studios. Basically, any business that has been relying on scale in content creation. Economies of scale in content production disappearing - especially in animation. Barriers to entry are going away. Companies like Disney and Netflix needs to become audience builder platforms ASAP. They need to expand from mass market to micro markets.——-Related articles:The Winners and Losers in ChatGPT (Tech Strategy – Daily Article)Why I Don't Like Netflix, Singapore Press and Most Digital Content Businesses (136)Why Netflix and Amazon Prime Don't Have Long-Term Power. (2 of 2) (US-Asia Tech Strategy – Daily Article)———-I write, speak and consult about how to win (and not lose) in digital strategy and transformation.I am the founder of TechMoat Consulting, a boutique consulting firm that helps retailers, brands, and technology companies exploit digital change to grow faster, innovate better and build digital moats. Get in touch here.This content (articles, podcasts, website info) is not investment, legal or tax advice. The information and opinions from me and any guests may be incorrect. The numbers and information may be wrong. The views expressed may no longer be relevant or accurate. This is not investment advice. Investing is risky. Do your own research.Support the show

EP 2526 I saw an article on medium.com called, "I Was a Recruiter For 15+ Years And This is All I Know About The Hidden Job Market"; I think it gave some nonsense answers in a q&a format that I want to correct SUPPORTERS: Don't waste your time writing your own bad resume. Let TopResumes write yours for you. https://thebiggamehunter.us/TopResumes AND Skillshare TheBigGameHunter.us/skillshare Like Netflix for courses ABOUT JEFF ALTMAN, THE BIG GAME HUNTER Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a coach who worked as a recruiter for what seems like one hundred years. He is hired to provide No BS Career Advice globally. That can involve job search, hiring staff, management, leadership, career transition and advice about resolving workplace issues. Schedule a discovery call at my website, www.TheBigGameHunter.us He is the host of “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” the #1 podcast in iTunes for job search with over 2500 episodes. I do a livestream on LinkedIn, and YouTube (on the JobSearchTV.com account) Tuesdays and Fridays at 1 PM Eastern. You can send your questions about job search, hiring better, management, leadership or to get advice about a workplace issue to me via messaging on LinkedIn or in chat during the approximately 30-minute show. Website: www.TheBigGameHunter.us LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/TheBigGameHunter Courses: www.TheBigGameHunter.us/courses Main YouTube: www.JobSearchTV.com Instagram: http://instagram.com/jeffaltman Facebook: http://facebook.com/nobscoachingadvice Podcast: anchor.fm/nobsjobsearchadviceradio Video Podcast: Spotify Twitter: http://twitter.com/jeffaltmancoach Medium: jeffaltmancoach.medium.com Resume & LinkedIn Profile critiques www.TheBigGameHunter.us/critiques My courses are available on Skillshare CareerFitter offers a free test and if you want career recommendations, upgrade to the paid version https://www.TheBigGameHunter.us/career We grant permission for this post and others to be used on your website as long as a backlink is included to www.TheBigGameHunter.us and notice is provided that it is provided by Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter as an author or creator. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/nobsjobsearchadviceradio/support

Sex tips, porn revolutions, psychedelics, and enlightenmentAella writes at knowingless.com. Her posts and tweets provide a unique perspective about the data on sexual kinks and on being an escort & camgirl.In this episode, Aella talks about:* her escorting sex tips,* how tech will change pornography,* & whether trauma & enlightenment are realEnjoy!Watch on YouTube. Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any other podcast platform. TimestampsSex Tips - (0:00:21)Porn-tech Revolutions: Tiktokified Erotica? - (0:02:02)Trad Christian Life - (0:05:11)Can you be Naturally Talented at Enlightenment? (0:06:52)Camgirling, Escort Marketing, & Bulk deals  - (0:09:15)Sex Work vs Student Loans  - (0:13:25)Psychedelics and Deconstructive Suffering - (0:15:30)Aella's Extreme Reading Addiction -  (0:21:08)Radically Authentic People are Hot? - (0:27:29)Some Advice for Making Better Internet Polls - (0:39:32)Hanging out with Elites - (0:43:59)Is Trauma Fake? - (0:53:49)Spawning as a Woman and Being Extremely Weird - (1:07:19)Boring Podcast Conversations - (1:12:09)TranscriptTranscript is autogeneratedDwarkesh Patel 0:00:00Okay, today I have the pleasure of speaking with Ayela, who needs no introduction.Aella 0:00:07So it's Ayla. Is it actually? Yeah.Dwarkesh Patel 0:00:10Okay, gotcha. The first question from Twitter from Nick Camerota.Aella 0:00:14It's about banging, right?Dwarkesh Patel 0:00:16It's right.Aella 0:00:17Smashing. As one might do in the dirty.Dwarkesh Patel 0:00:21I don't see it here, but he was basically asking, there's meditators who are experts, have all kinds of like special tips. He was talking about how they know how to hold their breath or close their eyes in aAella 0:00:31particular way.Dwarkesh Patel 0:00:32What do escorts know about sex that the mediocre new doesn't know?Aella 0:00:38Well, I don't know because like escorts don't necessarily have more sex. They just have sex with different people. Like if you're in a community relationship, you're probably like becoming an expert at your partner. So it's like, I guess like you're an expert at like very quickly figuring out so like what a new partner likes. So it's really dependent. It's like super dependent on like reading the person. But one is like, don't assume what they like. Because like for a while, it was like all guys like their balls fondled gently, right? You'd think this is a universal malpreference.Dwarkesh Patel 0:01:11It's not. Well, it's changed or it just never was?Aella 0:01:14Well, some people are just like, get the f**k off my balls. And you're like, okay. But also like, I don't know, I like learning how to ride dick. I didn't really know how to ride dick properly before being an escort. And when I first started escort, it was terrible. I was like, like clumping kind of like in a really unattractive fashion. Maybe something about like, like enthusiasm of b*****b is better than technique or something like more important than technique. Like you don't have to be the best b*****b giver at all. But if you're just like, you know, really going to town.Dwarkesh Patel 0:01:44Yeah, it's not like dancing as well, where they say you don't have to be a dancer, just like have fun.Aella 0:01:48Yeah, not there. Yeah, a lot of it's just having fun, right? Like really, like letting loose as much as you can. These are not like really excellent, like, go get them, hit them techniques. Like probably Cosmopolitan has published all those already.Dwarkesh Patel 0:02:02But the 10 things that drive your man crazy. Okay, I'm curious. There's been a lot of innovation in how movies and TV shows are shot and what kinds of plots and tropes they've used. I'm wondering over the next few decades, are you expecting what kinds of like innovations in erotic content are you expecting?Aella 0:02:22It'd be great if there were more funding for erotic content. Like if we had more money, like that would be excellent. But obviously AI. Like ignoring the funding issues. But AI clearly. Like I know that a lot of the models right now are not allowing not safe for work stuff. Do you want to like a normal pillow?Dwarkesh Patel 0:02:41Yeah, let me get her up. Leaning in like Sheryl Sandberg. Sheryl Sandberg?Aella 0:02:47Oh, she's the CEO of Facebook.Dwarkesh Patel 0:02:50Yeah, I've heard a book about leaning in. Like when you lean in. That's an escorting technique.Aella 0:02:54Well, I mean, it's just a generic seduction technique. Leaning in? Yeah. Like when I'm on it, like, usually when I'm as an escort, you meet a guy beforehand. And you're supposed to signal that you're really interested in him and leaning in.Dwarkesh Patel 0:03:08Oh, yeah. Yeah. By the way, do you? This is something I'm curious about. I watched your YouTube video about tips to have more seductive behavior. Are you always doing that or is that just in very specific scenarios when you're online? But like when you go to a meetup or something?Aella 0:03:22I think there's like degrees of it. Like some of it's not just seduction. Some of it's just like normal social behavior. Like I don't think I'm doing anything right now. I'm checking. I think this is how I would normally be with like friends.Dwarkesh Patel 0:03:35Right.Aella 0:03:36But I think there's like some, like there's a spectrum and obviously I turn it all the way up when I'm trying to be very seductive. But sometimes if I'm like enjoying the experience of being attractive, like trying to play into that for any reason, like pure fun, then I'll do it a little bit.Dwarkesh Patel 0:03:50Usually not to that degree, though. OK. Another question I was wondering about is TikTok. Are we going to have porn that's TikTok-ified where we'll have like one minute shorts, you just scroll through.Aella 0:04:02They've tried.Dwarkesh Patel 0:04:03They've really tried. Why has it not worked? Well, you can't get on app stores.Aella 0:04:08So there's not like what kind of money like your sort of market is limited, your marketDwarkesh Patel 0:04:13cap. You can just have a website, though, right?Aella 0:04:16Yeah, you can. But it really reduces the total amount of conversion for like when you're advertisingDwarkesh Patel 0:04:22it.Aella 0:04:23And they've tried it a couple of times, but they just didn't have enough people uploadingDwarkesh Patel 0:04:27things.Aella 0:04:28There are some other competitors like Sunroom right now is doing the thing that they're trying to get on the app store. But it's not porn. Like they can be optimized to be sexy, but like really right now, like the markets are not aligned such that like a porn TikTok. I mean, it's possible that if you did it really, really well, but I don't know. A lot of porn is shot this way, too.Dwarkesh Patel 0:04:49So if you want to take like pre-existing porn, it like never really looks good. I guess it depends on position as well, right? Like there's some positions where a vertical would work.Aella 0:04:58Yeah. It's like a TikTok for like only for like cowgirl standing. They have it, by the way. I don't remember if I said that, but there are products that are trying to replicateDwarkesh Patel 0:05:09TikTok for porn.Aella 0:05:10They're just not very good.Dwarkesh Patel 0:05:11Yeah, and another thing is you had to learn user behavior, but people are probably doing, you know, doing their porn and incognito. So you can't, you can't like learn their preferences that TikTok learns. Okay. People with your genetics, like your psychology, they probably existed like a hundred years ago or 200 years ago. But what would you have been doing if you were born in 1860? Because there was no OnlyFans back then, but would you have become a trad wife or what would happen?Aella 0:05:35Yeah, I probably would have been insufferable. Like I was raised Christian and so I got to see what my psychology does in like a very trad religious atmosphere and it took it very seriously. It kind of went just to the opposite extreme. I was like, ah, if I'm in this religion, like let's actually live the religion. Like we can't just like half believe in it. Like let's actually think it through, take it to the logical conclusion and live that. Yeah. And so I was like, I was maybe even a little bit more conservative than the people around me and took it very seriously.Dwarkesh Patel 0:06:03Do you think if you grew up in a left wing polycule, you would have become a super trad by the time you grew up?Aella 0:06:09I doubt it. I might have become like even like a hardcore polycule, I don't know. But my guess is like I'm probably actually suited to being a polycule. Like I am more like, even when I was Christian, I was like sexually deviant and like obsessed with sex and like just I just suffered immense guilt over it.Dwarkesh Patel 0:06:28Yeah. What are you the Christian men you were growing up with? Did they not jerk off? Like what did they do?Aella 0:06:32Well, all of the messaging when I was growing up was for men. It's like they have like men meetups about not jerking off and s**t. Like you're not supposed to masturbate as a Christian man.Dwarkesh Patel 0:06:42But did they actually not?Aella 0:06:44A lot of them would. Well, I don't know. I never like did a survey. My impression is they probably had a lower masturbation rate than most people and feltDwarkesh Patel 0:06:52worse about it when they did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm Christian. Do you think that, so you've done these really interesting enlightenment surveys and interviews. Do you think there's people who are just naturally enlightened because they're just so stoic and happy all the time, but they just don't have the spiritual vocabulary to describe their experiences as in these sorts of like, you know, boo-hoo ways? Is it possible that the guy who's just like super stoic is like actually just enlightened?Aella 0:07:16Well, it there's different like it depends what you mean by enlightened. Like stoic and happy is like one sort of conception of enlightenment, but there's lots of differentDwarkesh Patel 0:07:23ones.Aella 0:07:24There are probably people who like I interviewed one person who seemed like they didn't do anything. They just sort of like are that way all the time. It didn't seem like it was like a thing that occurred to them with any. So yeah, probably. I mean, like, I don't think that there's any like special soul like quality about it. I think like you could probably study the science of enlightenment or whatever kind of enlightenment you're talking about. Like obviously, it's replicable with brain states. And obviously, if you are enlightened, and we went to brain surgery, we could like undoDwarkesh Patel 0:07:48that.Aella 0:07:49So in that case, like it doesn't seem impossible to me that somebody could just be born with that like naturally very close to already there.Dwarkesh Patel 0:07:56Yeah, yeah. Did you meet anybody who you felt was enlightened in the strong sense in the Buddhist sense of like, this person has no thoughts? And no, like you could set him on fire and he would not suffer.Aella 0:08:06Is that the I'm terrible at Buddhism?Dwarkesh Patel 0:08:08No, but like in that sense of like, this guy's almost a god.Aella 0:08:12I've definitely met people who report not having like an internal monologue.Dwarkesh Patel 0:08:16Hmm. I don't believe them. Like they were answering questions. Yeah.Aella 0:08:20Like I've had experience times where I have no internal monologue before, but like the like responses still come out or something interesting.Dwarkesh Patel 0:08:28Like there's no distance between you and what comes out.Aella 0:08:31Well, are you having an internal monologue right now? Yes. Like as you're talking, like, are there words coming in your head that aren't what you'reDwarkesh Patel 0:08:37saying? Yeah, I just I'm not self aware enough right now to observe them. But if I was, I'm pretty sure I would, because I'm thinking about what I'm gonna ask you next or how I'm like, they just yeah, you're saying, yeah, I'm not exactly sure how toAella 0:08:48interpret it. Like there's a way where my guess is the words just like kind of emerge without there being any sort of like word process that happens beforehand. Which seems like a plausible state to me, seems like not an insane thing that human brains can do. Human brains can do insane s**t, right? Like, like your internal felt sense can be so radically different, just just literally evidenced by drugs, like you just take an insane drug, your mental state can change. So we know that it's possible for the brain to be in a state where this is the case.Dwarkesh Patel 0:09:15When you escort, do you charge extra to men who you find less attractive?Aella 0:09:19No, not at all. Uh, no, it feels like counter sort of my psychology. Like in my, my psychology around escorting is that it's like a job, and it doesn't have to do with my personal desires whatsoever. So if I were like charging, I don't really enjoy the same way. It's like, I don't know.Dwarkesh Patel 0:09:39Right, right. It's like, it's like completely independent, which is necessary for me, like, I think IAella 0:09:46have to be completely independent in some way of like my actual preferences in order to do it. Like if I were actually checking in with like, what do I want in this moment? I'd probably be like, I don't want to be here, I don't want to be f*****g a stranger. So I guess like, I just can't let that in at all.Dwarkesh Patel 0:10:00Yeah, how about both bulk discounting?Aella 0:10:03Both discounting?Dwarkesh Patel 0:10:04Discounting, like if somebody gets like a, like a lot, four straight sessions or somethingAella 0:10:08that that seems like more reasonable. That's like a business choice. I don't, I never did that.Dwarkesh Patel 0:10:13But like, I think that could do that. When I tell her how it on the podcast, we're talking about how the people who are top in any field often are smarter, because they have to think about how to get top in their field, somebody like a top YouTube creator, they've actually done a lot of analysis of how to get to the top of, you know, the leaderboards there. Yeah, are the top X-Squads and cam girls, are they noticeably smarter?Aella 0:10:35My guess is yes. Like, like, for example, the OnlyFans, I did very, very well on OnlyFans. I think that was because probably I'm like, smarter than the average. But it was surprising to me, like, especially like camming. Like, I was a cam girl and then for a long time, and this is like really, really competitive. It's competitive because you can see what other girls are doing at all times. So you know exactly what the techniques are, and the techniques proliferate much faster. And there's also stuff like branding and seduction and it's really high intensity, high pressureDwarkesh Patel 0:11:03environment.Aella 0:11:04Again, because like with camming, the site I was using, MyFreeCams, your ranking is determined by your average earnings per hour of live streaming over the past 60 days. And your rankings affect how many more people come into your room. So every time you're streaming, it's like really high pressure, because if you don't do well for an hour, this is gonna make it harder for you in the future. So it's really stressful. Anyway, so I went from that to escorting and escorting what other people are doing are not visible, or techniques are not viewable at all. And they and I think as a result of this, like low pressure, like, private slow thing, there was no ecosystem for like escort like tech strategies to really have like a highly competitive atmosphere. So I just brought all of my techniques from camming in regards to marketing, and I think I just blew it out of the water. Interesting. It was like I was shocked at how terrible the cop I was like this is what the landscape is like, like I could beat.Dwarkesh Patel 0:11:54How do you figure out what the competition is like?Aella 0:11:56You just talk to people? You can look at other escort websites.Dwarkesh Patel 0:11:58Oh, yeah, sure.Aella 0:11:59And you don't exactly know how much they're earning. I did a survey where I asked about earnings.Dwarkesh Patel 0:12:05But it's hard to know. What has building an escort profile? What does that talk to you about building a dating profile? Like, what advice would you give to somebody on building a Tinder or Bumble profile basedAella 0:12:15on I mean, the incentives are different. If you're building an escort profile, the thing that you want is money. Yeah, like that's what you're optimizing for on an escort or sorry, dating profile, you're optimizing for compatibility. So like with escorting, like you're trying to like, make find the kind of messaging that is appealing to the maximum number of people, which maybe is what men do when they're on a dating profile. But for me, I'm trying to alienate the correct people as as a dater. Like I don't want the people coming to me who aren't going to enjoy me actually. Like if I like did the same kind of escort advertising as I did dating, like I would just get a billion men and then like not want them because like, no, it's not I'm not like presenting my my real self like the kinds of things that are actually definitive about like what's going to make us a good match or not. So it's really all about like, sorry, dating profiles or advertising is all about likeDwarkesh Patel 0:13:04D selection.Aella 0:13:05Like how are we not going to get along here that like the deal breakers, you put them up front like. So in my dating profiles, I'm always like I'm poly, sex worker, like weird, right?Dwarkesh Patel 0:13:15That sort of thing. Yeah, narrow casting versus broadcasting. At what age do you feel like you could have consented to sex work? Is like 18 too young, too high?Aella 0:13:25Me personally, could have consented probably 15. I don't know. Like I think like if I had if I were in like the right kind of culture and at 15, like this were available to me and I took it, I think in hindsight, I've been like, yeah,Dwarkesh Patel 0:13:38that seems like a.Aella 0:13:40Right decision that I made that I'm willing to take responsibility for.Dwarkesh Patel 0:13:43Yeah, personally, how about the difference between I guess escorting a cam girl is that when you're putting video out there, it stays there forever, escorting it just like you regret it. I guess it's not there forever. I mean, do you see a difference there or in terms of like, would you is there a different age that makes sense for both or? Oh, yeah.Aella 0:14:02I mean, it's like a little confusing. We don't really have consistent standards about like how many permanent decisions youngDwarkesh Patel 0:14:08people can make.Aella 0:14:09Like we groom young teens into paying a lot of money for college pretty early, which I consider to be like a worse decision than going into sex work. Like in regards to the permanent impact it has on your life.Dwarkesh Patel 0:14:25So I don't know.Aella 0:14:26Yeah, but yeah, I mean, in regards to like the thing is, it depends heavily on culture. Like we're in a culture where like we have a lot of incentive against doing your sex work. I'm uniquely suited to it, but a lot of women aren't. And a lot of women would like suffer actual emotional damage if they did it. And like, it's important to know that. And so if we had like a culture that like adequately informed people, if you're like, ah, like, you kind of know a little bit earlier on whether or not this is going to like destroyDwarkesh Patel 0:14:51your soul or not.Aella 0:14:54So it depends on like how much knowledge we have access to. If we had really good access to it, then I'd be like, yeah, you could probably consentDwarkesh Patel 0:14:59younger. You should actually make that a goal or you might have already had. Would you rather be $200,000 in debt at 22 or have a porn video of you out there?Aella 0:15:07I have done this. I mean, a version of this. Yes. And it was I think most people would rather have a porn video.Dwarkesh Patel 0:15:11Okay.Aella 0:15:12Yeah. But again, a lot of my response, respondents are male, which might be skimming it.Dwarkesh Patel 0:15:16Yeah, yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough. So I've read this theory that if you're a medieval peasant and you encounter a beautiful church symphony for the first time, before you would be like a psychedelic experience. Do you find that plausible given your experience with psychedelics?Aella 0:15:30Have you just said? Yeah.Dwarkesh Patel 0:15:32Okay.Aella 0:15:33Maybe. Yeah. Like, I guess there's like a test where like, if you encountered a church service as a medieval peasant for the hundredth time, it would be like, so beautiful, but less cool. And this also seems to hold true with psychedelics, at least for me.Dwarkesh Patel 0:15:44Yeah.Aella 0:15:45I don't. I mean, what the thing is, you're just finding like a level of beauty that you had not found before that is really incredible.Dwarkesh Patel 0:15:51Yeah, which seems to be true. So yes. I guess then the question is, is it just that is the experience of listening to your first symphony the same as me putting on Spotify, except you just haven't heard it before? So surprising, or is the actual experience like getting on a psychedelic high? You know what I mean?Aella 0:16:09There's nothing like getting on a psychedelic high. Nothing. I mean, like, there's like the sense of beauty and awe is great. And I think there's that in psychedelics. But there's like a kind of like novelty in psychedelics that are just utterly on. Like I can conceive of like a beautiful thing. But like, even right now, I cannot easily conceive of being on psychedelics, despite having taken them a huge amount of time.Dwarkesh Patel 0:16:32Right. If I told you, you can press a button, and you will experience one random emotion or sensation in the whole repertoire of everything a human can experience, including on drugs, you press that button? Yes.Aella 0:16:45You do?Dwarkesh Patel 0:16:46Okay. Yeah, would you?Aella 0:16:48There's a lot of like, a lot of suffering states.Dwarkesh Patel 0:16:49Yeah.Aella 0:16:50But I guess I'm like, I optimize really hard for interesting as opposed to pleasant.Dwarkesh Patel 0:16:54Yeah. I guess that is what taking psychedelics is like. But I don't know, it's a daunting prospect. It could get pretty bad.Aella 0:17:03Are you trying to figure out if you should take them more?Dwarkesh Patel 0:17:05No, this is not even about psychedelics. It's just, are you maximizing the value of your experiences? Or I guess the volatility of your experiences?Aella 0:17:15I just like trying to feel everything that there is.Dwarkesh Patel 0:17:17Do you feel like you've done that?Aella 0:17:21Probably not. But there's a lot to feel.Dwarkesh Patel 0:17:25Is it important that you remember what it was like? Because we were just talking about how you'll forget what many of the sensations were like.Aella 0:17:31Maybe? I mean, depends on what it's for. It's nice to remember, but it's also kind of nice to forget too. There's a way where I just don't have easy access to a lot of quite intense suffering memories, which is nice right now because I can talk to you. So I don't know.Dwarkesh Patel 0:17:47When you think back to the days when you were taking a lot of psychedelics, how much do you feel like you actually uncovered the truths about your mind and the universe? And then how much are you just like, I was just tripping back then. I don't know how much of the stuff was accurate. It was good.Aella 0:18:02Well, I think that for me, the vast majority of psychedelic experience was like, in my head I have a division. Like for me, it was deconstruction as opposed to construction. I think like some people, not due to any fault of their own, I think it's like a brain chemistryDwarkesh Patel 0:18:16thing.Aella 0:18:17Like the experience they have in psychedelics is constructing beliefs. And usually you have this, when you do this, you kind of look back on the trip and you're like, well, I was believing some crazy s**t there for a while. That was kind of weird. But I never really had that because I never really believed a thing. It was more like observing my existing beliefs and then sort of taking them as object. Sort of no longer finding them to be like an absolute thing about reality, but rather like sort of a construction that I was already doing. And that I hold to all of it. I think everything that I experienced tripping was valuable in that way and led me to where I am now.Dwarkesh Patel 0:18:51What were the downsides? How is your personality change? Is there a downside you can identify in the deconstruction? It was just like so overwhelmingly worth it. I mean, the experience itself was often quite painful. And I was pretty non-functional during the time I was taking a lot and for like about a year afterwards.Aella 0:18:58So that was a downside. I would happily pay that downside several times over. But it wasn't like the most rewarding experience. I think it was like the most rewarding experience. I mean, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like,Dwarkesh Patel 0:19:18you had that tweet recently about how you experienced executive dysfunction sometimes. And then there's a story about you working at 50 five hours a week at the factory when you were 19, right?Aella 0:19:29Yeah.Dwarkesh Patel 0:19:30So is do you think that might be because this I can elitist or executive disruption?Aella 0:19:34when I worked at the factory.Dwarkesh Patel 0:19:35But you were just working 55 hours a week anyways?Aella 0:19:37Yeah, well, I was horrible. I remember being at that factory and being really confused about the way other people were there. I was like, this is clearly not what I wanna do with my life. This is actively terrible. But other people were like, oh, I've been here 10 years and this is just fine.Dwarkesh Patel 0:19:56And I was not doing well.Aella 0:19:57I think I'm pretty, Jess would be like, we're pretty smart. But I was scoring really low in my accuracy and speed at the factory. And I think this is an example of my executive dysfunction issues. And even when I wasn't working at the factory, it was not very productive at all.Dwarkesh Patel 0:20:12What do you think is the difference between psychology between you and those people? Was it just that they enjoyed it more or they just were able to suppress the boredom? Or what do you think happened?Aella 0:20:22Yeah, I'm not sure. Part of it might be just they, maybe if I had just done it for some more years, I would have adjusted. But also, I don't know, I had been homeschooled and I think maybe school prepares you, like normal school prepares you better for a job like that. But you just have to sit and do tasks you don't want to for the entire day.Dwarkesh Patel 0:20:41So, I don't know.Aella 0:20:44I do think also just my brain's different. I seem to be extremely novelty-oriented compared to most people. And my guess is that just made me really not, and just attention, my attention is terrible.Dwarkesh Patel 0:20:56Speaking of which, if you were homeschooling your kids, or I guess if you were raising kids, what does their schooling look like? What kinds of decisions do they get to make when? Do you have some sense of how would you raise a child?Aella 0:21:08I'm not sure, I think maybe unschooling.Dwarkesh Patel 0:21:10Yeah.Aella 0:21:11I'm leaning more and more in that direction. My school wasn't great. The quality of it wasn't excellent. It also, I was forced to learn things I didn't want to, but at least it wasn't a huge part of my life. And the things that, now when I look back on my childhood, the things that feel the most valuable for me to have learned was almost entirely stuff that I did myself. On my off time, the learning that I performed by my own incentive, that's what stuck with me. That's what feels like it lasted. And so I'm like, s**t, if that's the case, I should just let my kids learn what the f**k they want, and just enable them, right? Put interesting things around them, and give them a project, if you wanna do this project, you're gonna have to learn these skills in order to do it.Dwarkesh Patel 0:21:51Well, what are some examples?Aella 0:21:53Of projects?Dwarkesh Patel 0:21:54Things you taught yourself when you were a kidAella 0:21:55that you thought were invaluable.Dwarkesh Patel 0:21:56Well, I read a huge amount,Aella 0:21:58which I think led to me being a good writer today. I just read books about things, I don't know. I learned juggling, a lot of physical comedy stuff. I did some movies, some short movies. You know, something like that.Dwarkesh Patel 0:22:15Could you juggle right now? I'm not asking you to.Aella 0:22:17I could, not super well, but a lot of random little skills, which have turned out to be much more relevantDwarkesh Patel 0:22:23to my life than before. Yeah, yeah, interesting.Aella 0:22:26But also, I remember I read psychology books. Just stuff that, in hindsight, psychology books about personality.Dwarkesh Patel 0:22:33I really liked that. I mean, it sounds like you probably didn't have a TV in your Christian fundamentalist house. Oh, we did.Aella 0:22:39We just had TV Guardian installed on it.Dwarkesh Patel 0:22:41Gotcha. So, could you just have watched TV the entire day if you wanted to, or was that not an option? I'm wondering if the voracious reader was because of all the other options were cut off, or you could have just explored?Aella 0:22:53Oh, no, I was obsessed with the reading, yeah. No, not because other options were cut off.Dwarkesh Patel 0:22:57Yeah, yeah, yeah.Aella 0:22:58I made it a vice to read in the shower, because I didn't like showering without reading.Dwarkesh Patel 0:23:03It just took too long without reading.Aella 0:23:06I would read by moonlight after my parents to turn off the lights. When we were driving in the car, you'd hold up the book to read by the headlights of the person behind you.Dwarkesh Patel 0:23:13Yeah, yeah, sounds like an addiction. Yeah.Aella 0:23:16I read about, for a while, I was reading about a novel a day.Dwarkesh Patel 0:23:20Hmm, was it science fiction or fantasy?Aella 0:23:22Anything I could get my hands on.Dwarkesh Patel 0:23:23Yeah, yeah, yeah. How did you get your hands on it? Was there a library nearby?Aella 0:23:28No, well, I would just reread what I had a lot.Dwarkesh Patel 0:23:30Uh-huh.Aella 0:23:31And just, I would get books as gifts for Christmas,Dwarkesh Patel 0:23:36because clearly that was my priority. Right, right, yeah. Do you think that the ratio of submissives and dominance has changed over time? If you went back 50 years, do you think there'd be more dominance than submissives, or even more so, or?Aella 0:23:50Well, my one hypothesis is tied to testosterone, and if testosterone levels have actually been decreasing over time, then this would cause people to get more submissive.Dwarkesh Patel 0:23:59Yeah.Aella 0:24:00So maybe.Dwarkesh Patel 0:24:02Berne Hovart had this interesting theory, where he was pointing out, it's possible that the decline in testosterone we've seen, that's not just the last 50 years, it's been going on for hundreds or thousands of years. So if you went back to the ancient Greeks, they just steroided up men.Aella 0:24:16Like masks. Yeah. That's such a funny idea. But if that were true, would we be seeing a decline in testosterone over the last, I don't know how many decades,Dwarkesh Patel 0:24:28enough to notice? I don't know how you would notice that. You would maybe notice that there's fewer wars, which it is the case, there's fewer wars. I mean.Aella 0:24:38How do we know that testosterone has been decreasing?Dwarkesh Patel 0:24:40Is it just? Oh yeah, we measure the blood concentration, right?Aella 0:24:42Okay, okay, yeah.Dwarkesh Patel 0:24:44I'm assuming. That's what I thought.Aella 0:24:45So it's gotta be over the last few decades, right?Dwarkesh Patel 0:24:47Yeah, yeah, but we don't know. We don't have any data before that.Aella 0:24:50Yeah, but we know the rate of change,Dwarkesh Patel 0:24:52so we could like. Yeah. Well yeah, I mean it wasn't infinite in history,Aella 0:24:57so at some point it's like.Dwarkesh Patel 0:24:58I know.Aella 0:24:59Kind of like, kind of peaked, right?Dwarkesh Patel 0:25:01Yeah.Aella 0:25:02Oh. Yeah, I don't know. I really don't. I should have the data now to look, because I did a survey for people on hormone replacement therapy. To see if people who've started testosterone report. Yeah. And I did find that. But it is a little confusing, because you don't know how much of it is like, narrative or culturally induced. Like, if you're expected to become more masculine when you take testosterone. Like, is this like, psychologically making you believe that you are more interested in being dominant? It's unclear. So I incorporated a question into my survey recently. Like, just the last minute, honestly. Asking just like, are you on HRT? If so, how long?Dwarkesh Patel 0:25:37Yeah.Aella 0:25:38So I should be able to just see if that correlatesDwarkesh Patel 0:25:40with just interest in dominance. Yeah. It would also be interesting to see, another question might be, what age are you? And when you were 20, were you more dominant than submissive?Aella 0:25:53And then- Oh, to see if it changes over time?Dwarkesh Patel 0:25:54Or you would just have, if a 60 year old was really dominant when he was 20, then you'd know that, I don't know, 60 year old. People who were born in 1980 or something. Yeah.Aella 0:26:03Oh, you mean like, if it's correlated with age?Dwarkesh Patel 0:26:05Yeah. Or just like, if people born earlier were more dominant.Aella 0:26:08I found like, a surprisingly lack of correlations with age. Interesting. I mean, yeah, I could put my laptop on my lapDwarkesh Patel 0:26:14and then look at the correlations live here, but. Do you think weird fetishes, like the weirdest stuff, is that a modern thing? Or if you went back 500 years, people would have been into that kind of s**t? Yeah, I think so.Aella 0:26:25It's just like, the really weird stuff is very rare. Like we're talking like 1%, 0.1%. Like, I mean, it's correlated with rarity. Like the weirder it is, the more rare it is.Dwarkesh Patel 0:26:34Kind of necessarily, because if people had it,Aella 0:26:36then everybody would be like, oh, this is normal. But yeah, my guess is that it's like,Dwarkesh Patel 0:26:39has something to do with like a randomAella 0:26:42early childhood neonatal thing. And like, I haven't been able to find any correlates with childhood stuff, which makes me think it's more innate. And if it's more innate, then it's more likely to have existed for a very long time.Dwarkesh Patel 0:26:53Yeah, yeah. And people who just had weirder and more different experiences in the past. Like if you're just in some sort of cult without any sort of internet or any other sort of experience with the outside world. I don't know, the volatility of your kinks might've just been more, I don't know. Is that possible?Aella 0:27:11Well, the data seems to suggest it's not really based on experience.Dwarkesh Patel 0:27:14Yeah.Aella 0:27:15Mostly, I mean, there's like some small exceptions. Interesting. But, so no, also I'm like, I'm not sure that experience was more varied in the past. Like maybe, like the internet is kind of homogenizing, but.Dwarkesh Patel 0:27:29So, since the FTX saga happened, people have discovered Caroline Ellison's blog. I don't know if you've seen this on Twitter. And now she's become, you know, every nerd's crush because of her online writing.Aella 0:27:40Oh, really? I mostly just see people dunking on her.Dwarkesh Patel 0:27:43Oh yeah, well, there's both, there's both. Do people, this probably wasn't in your kinks survey, but in just general, what is your suspicion about, do people find verbal ability and, you know, that kind of ability very attractive based on online writing or, is that a good signal you can send?Aella 0:28:02I mean, yes, like intelligence and competence is pretty attractive across the board.Dwarkesh Patel 0:28:07So if you're signaling that you're smart. You can signal that by just, I don't know, having a college degree from an impressive university, right, but.Aella 0:28:15I mean, it's like kind of better signal.Dwarkesh Patel 0:28:17Yeah, yeah.Aella 0:28:18Like people who have college degrees from impressive universities, I don't think are really that smart.Dwarkesh Patel 0:28:23Yeah.Aella 0:28:24And like probably like actually demonstrating like direct smartness is a lot more convincing.Dwarkesh Patel 0:28:30Yeah, yeah.Aella 0:28:31So it makes sense.Dwarkesh Patel 0:28:32I think her writing is funny and good. You had this really interesting post. I forgot the title of it, but it was a recent one about how the guys who are being authentic are more attractive.Aella 0:28:44Yeah. The thing that like I noticed while I was doing this, that I was attracted to,Dwarkesh Patel 0:28:49was like somebody like,Aella 0:28:50like sort of being independent of my perspective. Like a lot of time in, when I'm like talking to a guy who I can tellDwarkesh Patel 0:28:56is attracted to me and he's like, I don't know.Aella 0:28:59Like there's a way where he's like trying to orient himself to be what I want. Like very subconsciously, I think, or like subtly in body language, like mirroring, for example, like if I like sit one way and then he sits that way, I'm like, okay, this is an example of like trying to orient yourself into like the kind of person that is going to like be, make me attracted to you. Yeah. I was just like a reasonable strategy. You know, I'm not begrudging anybody this, but I think like women in general are kind of, like it's sort of like an arms race between the genders. And I think women are really attuned to this. Like women are like really good at like sussing out how much authenticity is going on. And so in this experience, when the guy was like talking to me, like some part I noticed that I was like meditating on my experience and connection with this person or these people, I noticed that some part of my brain was like, just like checking like really hard. Like, do I think this person is like masking anything at all right now?Dwarkesh Patel 0:29:54Or is he like unashamed about what he is? Sort of thing. I guess I still understand if somebody is attracted to you, they're going to maybe mirror your body language. What is the way they do that in which they're masking? And what is the way they're doing that in which they're being honest about their intentions? Is it, how does their body language change?Aella 0:30:17Like usually what you are is like quiet and flattering to somebody else. Like when I was like doing this workshop, like people were saying things to me that would typically be considered faux pas. And make people not attracted to you. Like somebody's expressing that they wanted to hurt me,Dwarkesh Patel 0:30:33for example.Aella 0:30:38But like I would prefer somebody do that or something.Dwarkesh Patel 0:30:42Say that they want to or? Yeah. Not to it.Aella 0:30:45Well, not actually hurt me. I prefer not to be hurt most of the time. But there's something like, like there's a way when somebody is like attracted to me and like doing a modified thing. It feels like, one, I don't get to actually know what's going on with them. Like I don't get to see them. I'm seeing like a machine designed to make me feel a certain way. And this is like scary because I don't know what's going on. And I don't know who you are. Like I don't know what's going to happen once you finally have like come and no longer want me anymore. And like somebody who, and it also like is like, my cynic side interprets it as like a dominance thing. Like if you actually don't need me, if your self-worth is not dependent on me whatsoever, if this is like truly an equal game, then you aren't going to need to modify yourself at all. You can just like be who you are, alienate me, like be at risk of alienating me and then f*****g alienate me and you're going to be 100% fine. And like, that's hot. That's hot because like when a guy can signal he doesn't need me, this means that he's like a higher rank than me,Dwarkesh Patel 0:31:51like equal or higher. Yeah. No, okay, so that doesn't sound like authenticity then but it sounds just like how badly do you want me? You know what I mean? Like how, yeah, how eager are you?Aella 0:32:03Well, it's like, it's kind of like a loop or something. Like it's hot to not want somebody, but it's hot because you actually have to not want them. Like it's hot to not have somebody like be trying to get something from youDwarkesh Patel 0:32:17for their purposes.Aella 0:32:19Like just don't conceal.Dwarkesh Patel 0:32:20Right.Aella 0:32:21Like, and even if the thing you're not concealing is like a desperate burning desire, if you're like, man, I just like really would want to bang you and I'm like afraid of what you think of me. And, but I'm like, I want you so bad. Like that's hotter than trying to hide the fact that you're doing it.Dwarkesh Patel 0:32:35Yeah.Aella 0:32:36Yeah. I would like, I would consider banging a guy who's just like laid it all out because like by laying it all out, you're like offering up yourself to be rejected. This means that you're like, you're going to be okay even if I reject you.Dwarkesh Patel 0:32:48And like, that's the, so nice. I wonder how universal that is. Like you go to the average girl and you're just like, I really want to just f**k your face or something. What would happen?Aella 0:32:58I mean, it would probably be polarizing. Yeah. The thing is like by being honest, like you might actually make yourself be rejected. Like the point is not like if you're doing it to be accepted, like that's defeating the purpose. Like you just like offer yourself up and they accept you or they reject you. It's like the stupid f*****g annoying Buddhist concept where like by not trying you get the thing, but you have to like actually not try. You have to actually be in touch with the negative outcome and be like, this is real. And which just happened. Like there, like I probably wouldn't f**k a lot of the guys that I talked to despite non-concealing, but like I still, when they were like open and honest, it still like put them into a frame where they could have been sexual. Whereas like before I was like, you're not even in my landscape of like a potential partner. But like by being honest, I was like, now I'm actually doing the evaluation, like actively doing it and considering you in a sexual way, which was like a big leap.Dwarkesh Patel 0:33:51Yeah, yeah. The Buddhist guy to pick up artistry.Aella 0:33:54I'm like, that's a great, that'd be a great book.Dwarkesh Patel 0:33:57What is charisma? When you notice somebody is being charismatic, like what is happening? Is that body language? Is that internal? And I guess more fundamentally, what is it that you're signaling about yourself when you're being charismatic?Aella 0:34:11I mean, like charismatic, charisma can probably refer to a lot of things, but like the concept that I'm mapping it onto is something like when they make me think that they like me in a way that feels like not needy. And you can break it down into like body language signaling or like social moves. But I think like the core of it is like, like you know when you enter a party and like there's somebody who like is like fun to be around and they really like you, or it seems like they're like welcoming or like, ah, hey, you know, they put you on the back, they make a joke and then they like,Dwarkesh Patel 0:34:43you know, flitter off and you're like, ah, that's that person. Yeah. In movies, TV shows, games, what is the most inaccurate, what do they get most wrong about sex and relationships? What is the trope that's most wrong about this?Aella 0:34:58Well, I mean, okay, I'm, I have a personal pedestal, which might be like slightly besides your question, but like the f*****g monogamy thing. Like I get, I'm down if people want to do monogamy, but it's always, it's like 100% monogamy. And cheating is like always like the worst possible thing ever and that bothers me. I just wish there was a little bit of occasionally, once in a while, there's like, you know, we call it monoplot. My, I have a friend who yelled like monoplot every time there's like a plot, lining in a story that is, could be resolved by being just likeDwarkesh Patel 0:35:32slightly less monogamous.Aella 0:35:34And I'm like, every plot's a monoplot, like you don't even have to be full poly, you just have to like have like a slight amount of flexibility, like, oh, well, then just bring me over for a threesome. Like, but that's not even on the table. I'm like, not, well, not only is it not on the table, but like, it feels like it doesn't represent the general population either. Like around 5% of people are polyamorous and probably like 15 to 30% are like, would be like open to some kind of exploration, like a little bit of looseness, which where is that in media? Nowhere, drives me crazy.Dwarkesh Patel 0:36:01But what you're saying is you take Ross's side and they were on a break. Have you seen Friends?Aella 0:36:06No.Dwarkesh Patel 0:36:07Okay, nevermind. It's a joke. The plot basically of the show, Money Seasons, was that one of the main characters thought he was on a break with his girlfriend and cheated on her or not. He had sex with somebody else. And that was just basically the plot for like three seasons.Aella 0:36:22Oh man. So you've engaged in activities,Dwarkesh Patel 0:36:26which are most likely to change a person, you know, psychedelics, you know, stuff relating to sex. How much do you think people can change? Because you're on like the spectrum of the things that are most likely to change you. You think people can fundamentally change?Aella 0:36:43No, I mean, like, it's like a weird question, but like, no. Like if I had to give a simplistic answer, like I think I'm very much the person that I was when I was a child or a teenager. I think it's like innate stuff is like really strong. Like I have a friend who was adopted, but happened to know both of his adoptive and his biological father, fathers. And so I asked like, what, like, who are you more like? Like which one impacted you more? And he says that he just has the temperament of his biological father, but like all of like the weird quirks and hangups of his adopted one. And I think like when it comes like temperament or like your base brain functioning in general, like this is like much more persistent and less open to change than most people think. Like, I think I'm basically the same as I was pre psychedelics,Dwarkesh Patel 0:37:29except with like a lot of maturity over timeAella 0:37:33being added on.Dwarkesh Patel 0:37:35So your mission to experience every single experience out there, is that, that's not geared towards changing your personality anyway. It just.Aella 0:37:43No, yeah.Dwarkesh Patel 0:37:44Yeah, yeah. But you're not, you say you can't remember many of these. So what is motivating it? Like it's not to remember it, it's not to change yourself. What is the-Aella 0:37:53Curiosity? I'm just very curious.Dwarkesh Patel 0:37:56I don't know what it's like. Yeah. But it's weird, right? Because when you're curious about something, you hope to understand it and then internalize it. Like if I'm curious about an idea, it would be weird if I like read the book and I forgot about it. It wouldn't feel satisfying to my curiosity.Aella 0:38:11Yeah, well, there's some, like I think a lot of the way people operate is like sometimes you read a book and you might forget the book, but the book like updates your priors. Like the book like describes some way that the world like history worked in the war. And then you sort of like, kind of update your predictions about like the kinds of things that caused war and the kinds of reactions people have. And you forget the book, but you hold the priors. I think that's still really valuable. And I think like a lot of that has happened to me. Like I may have forgotten the experience themselves specifically, but it updated my model of the world. And also like my model of how I react and what I'm capable of. Like I went through like a lot of, you know, intense pain and suffering with psychedelics. And I maybe have forgotten that, but like there's some like deep sense of safety I have now around experiencing pain and grief that like I just carry with me all the time. So like it like sort of molded. And I know that I said that people don't really change, but I mean, that was like a little bit offhanded. Like there's obviously ways people grow. Like obviously people, you're very different from yourself, you know, seven years ago or whatever.Dwarkesh Patel 0:39:08Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. I hope that's the case that you're updating your priors. Cause that would mean that all the books I don't remember, should they have like in some sense been useful to me, but I suspect that that might just be co-op on my end and it's like gone forever.Aella 0:39:23I doubt it. I mean, did you have like any sort of like, ah, that sentence when you were reading the books?Dwarkesh Patel 0:39:28Yeah.Aella 0:39:30That's probably still there.Dwarkesh Patel 0:39:32Hopefully, hopefully. You've done a bunch of internet polls, many of them in statistically significant. What advice do you have for political pollsters based on?Aella 0:39:42I don't really follow political pollsters. I don't know. I mean, advice for polls in generalDwarkesh Patel 0:39:48is just have better wording.Aella 0:39:49Like I'm really surprised. I was, I mean, again, I'm taking a side note, but like I went, I want to include some big five questionsDwarkesh Patel 0:39:56in my really big survey.Aella 0:39:58And I understand that the way that they selectDwarkesh Patel 0:40:00big five questions is just,Aella 0:40:02as far as I know, like factor analysis, you just pick the most predictive questions. So it's not like people were like, ah, this is the question, but still like the wording of the questions was terrible. Like it's so much easier to make clearer questions. And I did use the big five questions. I forget exactly what they were, but I'm just like, is this what's going on with surveys in general? Like you don't want to, you want to be careful when you have a question to have it as worded so that people take them as homogenous a meaning from it as possible. But most of the other polls I see in other surveys and other research, it's like people just sort of thought of a good question and kind of slapped it down and never really deeply dug into like studied how people respond to this question, which I think is probably my best comparative advantage is that I've had like a really massive amount of experience over many years and thousands of polls to see exactly how your wording can be misinterpreted in every possible way. And so right now I think probably my best skill is like knowing how to write something to be as like very precise as possible.Dwarkesh Patel 0:41:02Yeah. How do you come up with these polls by the way? You just have an interesting question that comes up in a discussion or?Aella 0:41:07Often it's with discussions with friends. Like we'll be talking about something and somebody brings up like a concept or a what if. And I just have like a module in my brain now that translates everything to potential Twitter polls. So like whenever something like generates a concept,Dwarkesh Patel 0:41:20I'll go put that in a poll. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey guys, I hope you're enjoying the conversation so far. If you are, I would really, really appreciate it if you could share the episode with other people who you think might like it. This is still a pretty small podcast. So it's basically impossible for me to exaggerate how much it helps out when one of you shares the podcast. You know, put the episode in the group chat you have with your friends, post it on Twitter, send it to somebody who you think might like it. All of those things helps out a ton. Anyways, back to the conversation. I found it surprising you've been tweeting about your saga of learning and applying different statistical tools in Python. And I found it surprising, don't you have like a thousand nerdy reply guys who would be happy to help you out? How is this not a soft problem?Aella 0:42:16People are not good at helping you learn Python.Dwarkesh Patel 0:42:18At least not good at helping you.Aella 0:42:20At least not good at helping me learn Python. There are some people who are really good, but sometimes when I'm trying to learn Python, it's like at 3 a.m. and they're all sleeping. So I'm not saying that like everybody, I have some people who are like really excellentDwarkesh Patel 0:42:30at understanding and responding to me.Aella 0:42:31But when I'm tweeting, usually it's like, I don't wanna bother them or they're on break or something. And I have a chat where people help me, but often it's very frustrating. Because I, they just like, they're trying to explain, what I want, the way that I like to learn is, you just give me the code, give me the code that I know works. I do it, I test it, I see it, whether it works. And after that, then I go throughDwarkesh Patel 0:42:51and I try to understand the code.Aella 0:42:52But what people wanna do is they wanna explain to meDwarkesh Patel 0:42:54how it works before they do it.Aella 0:42:55Or, and it's not really their fault, but it's like there's the unfortunate thing where if somebody wants to help you do a problem, usually they have to go do a little bit of research themselves because programming is such a wide, vast landscape. Like people just don't offhandedly know the answer to your question. And so it requires a bit of work on their part. And it requires them being like, oh, maybe it's this. And then they post a bit of code. And, but you don't know, I try it and like it doesn't work. And they're like, ah, well, I'll try this other thing. And then it becomes like a collaborative problem solving process, which is like more annoying to me. I mean, it's necessary. I'm not saying it's their fault at all. It's like my fault for being annoyed. But I just want like, give me the answer. And then we can go through the whole like questions about it.Dwarkesh Patel 0:43:32Have you tried using CoPilot by the way? I haven't.Aella 0:43:34You got it.Dwarkesh Patel 0:43:35Yeah.Aella 0:43:36It's gonna solve all your problems.Dwarkesh Patel 0:43:37That's what people said. Yeah. It's like the ultimate. Okay. Autocompletor. It's like basically what you're asking for.Aella 0:43:42I was like trying to like look into it recently,Dwarkesh Patel 0:43:44but this is like the push that I need to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had heard about it too. And then my friend is just like, I'm gonna watch you install CoPilot right now. Don't say you're gonna install it. And yeah, it's been very valuable.Aella 0:43:57That's good. That's a useful anecdote.Dwarkesh Patel 0:43:59Yeah, yeah. I found your post about hanging out with elites really interesting.Aella 0:44:05Hanging out with elites, yeah. Do you, and I was wondering,Dwarkesh Patel 0:44:08is it possible that all the elites feel the same way about being there that you did? They're all like, this is kind of bizarre and boring. And I guess I'll just try to fit in. You know, is that possible? Or do you think they were actually different?Aella 0:44:22I guess it's probably a little of both. Like I wouldn't be surprised if everybody else felt it more than I thought. But also I would be surprisedDwarkesh Patel 0:44:28if everybody else felt it as much as me.Aella 0:44:30Because like when I do have like, it seems like I do have a like actually very different background than most of the people. And most of the people I asked about their backgrounds and they usually come from like much wealthier familiesDwarkesh Patel 0:44:41than I did.Aella 0:44:42Like went to school. Usually that's a big thing.Dwarkesh Patel 0:44:43They went to college. That's a huge, big, to me,Aella 0:44:47like if you're in my group or not in my group,Dwarkesh Patel 0:44:48is did you go to college? Yeah. And I feel like much more at ease with people who didn't. But when you're talking about these boring conversations, I know you were calling them. Do you think that they also thought it was boring, but that they were supposed to have those conversations? Or do you think they were actually enjoying it?Aella 0:45:01I don't know. Like recently I was at a party and I was like, okay, I'm not, I'm just staying at this party, but like, okay, let's take matters into our own hands. I'm just gonna run up to groups of peopleDwarkesh Patel 0:45:11and ask them like the weirdest question I can think of.Aella 0:45:14And then, and in my mind, I was like, okay, if I'm standing up there, standing at a party and somebody runs up to me with a weird question, I'd be like, f**k yes, let's go. Like, okay, I would like respond with a weirder question. I'd be like, let's dig into this. You know, I would be so f*****g thrilled. And so I was at this party, what I would consider to be like in the crowds of elite. It was like a little bit of a, it was like a party, less like a cocktail thing where people like be smart at each other and more like a get drunk and dance thing. But it was still like a much higher end kind of, so tickets were like really expensive. So I went around, I ran, I asked a whole bunch of people weird questions and just, like people obviously were like down to participate in like somebody trying to initiate conversation with them. But like the resulting conversations were not interesting at all.Dwarkesh Patel 0:45:57I was shocked with like how few conversationsAella 0:46:01were interesting. It was just people,Dwarkesh Patel 0:46:02it was just like, there was nothing there.Aella 0:46:05And I'm like, are you not all desperate to like cling on to something more fascinating than what's currently happening? It seemed like they weren't. I just got that impression.Dwarkesh Patel 0:46:12But do you think they were enjoying what they were doing?Aella 0:46:15That you mean just the normal conversation? Yeah. I think so. If they weren't, they would be searching for something else, right?Dwarkesh Patel 0:46:21That's not obvious to me. Like people can sometimes just be super complacent and they're just like a status quo bias. Or they're just like, I don't wanna do anything too shocking.Aella 0:46:28Yeah, but if I'm handing them shocking on a platter, I run up to them. They didn't even have to do anything. I just like walk into the, I interrupt their conversation. I'm like, here's something.Dwarkesh Patel 0:46:36What is an example?Aella 0:46:38Like, like, like, you know, like what's the most controversial opinion you have?Dwarkesh Patel 0:46:43You just walk in like Peter Thiel.Aella 0:46:44Is that what he does?Dwarkesh Patel 0:46:46Oh, well, he has this, there's a famous Peter Thiel question about what is something you believe that nobody else agrees with you on? Or very people agree with you on.Aella 0:46:53Yeah, okay. I didn't know that, but yeah. My version is like, what's the most controversial? And then usually I say either like in the circle people discussingDwarkesh Patel 0:47:01or like people at this party.Aella 0:47:02And it's shocking how many people are like, I don't have a controversial opinion on. How do you, like out of all culture, like you think that this culture is the one that's 100% right and you don't agree with all of it? Like out of all of history, you think in like 500 years, we're gonna look back and be like, ah, yes, 2022, that was the year.Dwarkesh Patel 0:47:19So in their defense, I think what could be going on is you just have a bunch of beliefs and you just haven't categorized them, indexed them in terms of controversial or not controversial. And so on the spot, it just like you gotta search through every single belief you have. Like, is that controversial? Is that controversial?Aella 0:47:37Yeah, but you can make allowances for it. Like sometimes people are like, ooh, I don't know like which one is the most, you know, I'd have to think like.Dwarkesh Patel 0:47:43I have so many.Aella 0:47:44Right, or like, well, I mean, there's some things I disagree on, but they're not sure they're controversial. Like these count. Like there's like a kind of response people give when you know that the thing, the issue is not that they don't have a controversial opinion, but rather that like it's sorting. But like I've talked to people who are like, oh, I don't really have one. And I was like, you mean you don't have any? And I would like pride, like there's nothing that you believe. And they'd be like, no, not really. And like, maybe they were lying, but like usually people are like,Dwarkesh Patel 0:48:12well, I have one, but I'm afraid to say. And like that's. No.Aella 0:48:17Anyway, I don't know. I don't understand.Dwarkesh Patel 0:48:20I wonder if you were more specific, you would get some more controversial takes.Aella 0:48:24Like what's your most controversial opinionDwarkesh Patel 0:48:25like about this thing? Yeah, yeah. What should the age of consent be? You know what I mean?Aella 0:48:29Yeah, yeah. Sometimes I do questions like that,Dwarkesh Patel 0:48:31but I like the controversial one is a good opener.Aella 0:48:34It's like it gives you a lot of information about the other person. Like it gives you a fresh about what their social group is. But I also like the game. I've started transitioning to a game where I'm like, okay, you have to say a pin you hold. And if anybody in the group disagrees with it, they hold up a hand and you get pointsDwarkesh Patel 0:48:50for the amount of people that hold up a hand. Oh, yeah.Aella 0:48:52And the person who gets the most points wins. Because people have this horrible tendency. Like I'll be like, what's the most controversial opinionDwarkesh Patel 0:48:57that you have in this group?Aella 0:48:59And then they'll say a controversial opinion for the out group. And I'll be like, but does anybody actually disagree with that here? Like, oh, like Trump wasn't as horrible as people say he is.Dwarkesh Patel 0:49:09I'm like. Yeah, no. One interesting twist on that, by the way. Tyler Cowen had a twist on that question in his application for emergent mentors. So everybody's been asking the P.J. Teal question about what do you believe? And nobody else agrees with the most controversial opinion. And so it's kind of priced in at this point. And so Tyler's question on the application was, what is, what do you believe, what is like your most conventional belief? Like what is the thing you hold strongest that most people would agree with you on? And it kind of situates you in terms of what is the, where are you overlapping with the status quo?Aella 0:49:47Like, I feel confused about this. So I would probably say something like gravity is real.Dwarkesh Patel 0:49:52No, exactly. I think he's like looking for. Oh, something like that? You being conventional in a contrarian way. Maybe you just said something weird. Like, I believe that the feeling of the waves on my skin is beautiful and feels great, you know? It just shows you're not answering it in the normal way.Aella 0:50:08Oh, he wants the non-conventional answer.Dwarkesh Patel 0:50:10Yeah, yeah.Aella 0:50:12Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of that question though. Like I'm like not sure that question is like, like the best question to test for non-conventionality.Dwarkesh Patel 0:50:18Yeah, yeah. I would have thought by the way, that high-end escorts would be very familiar with elite culture. Because you watch these movies and these, you know, these escorts are going with rich CEOs at fundraiser dinners and stuff like that. I would have thought that actually the high-end escorts would be like very familiar with elite culture. Is that not the case or?Aella 0:50:38I mean, probably some are, but I'm not. I mean, like I've had a few people offer to take me to public events, but never actually happened. I've never appeared, like been hired to be aroundDwarkesh Patel 0:50:51like a man's social circle.Aella 0:50:53Usually people are very private about that.Dwarkesh Patel 0:50:55That's interesting. Because I would have thought one of the things rich men really probably want to do is signal social status. Probably even, potentially even more than have sex, right?Aella 0:51:04Maybe.Dwarkesh Patel 0:51:05To show that they have beautiful women around them.Aella 0:51:07Yeah, I think my guess is they would be seen as high risk. And I've known other escorts who have in fact been brought to events. So it's not that this doesn't happen, but like, I don't think it happens a lot,Dwarkesh Patel 0:51:17at least based on my experience. No, interesting.Aella 0:51:20It's possible that I'm not like pretty enough. It's possible that like a woman is very beautiful that she might get invited more often.Dwarkesh Patel 0:51:25But my guess is like,Aella 0:51:29like they can't trust that I know enough to be able to pass as an elite in those circles. Like I'm a weirdo sex worker who the f**k knows. Like, am I going to be doing drives in the bathroom? Am I going to be ta

On this weeks episode of the Enterprising Gen-Z Podcast I chat to Aimée Anderson, the COO of Ecoflix. Ecoflix is The worlds first non-profit media group and streaming platform dedicated to saving the environment, where users can enjoy uplifting, original and informative productions, whilst helping our planet and the animals within it. We discuss what it's like battling against some of the giants in her industry, how important values are in business and how large corporates are killing small businesses with things like 120-day payment terms.Connect with Aimée on LinkedInFind out more about EcoflixConnect with Sam on LinkedInFind out more about the Enterprising Gen-Z PodcastFind out more about Enterprising Gen-Z Events

Netflix, one of the most valuable businesses in the world, has an interesting workplace culture that fully satisfies its employees and compels their loyalty in a positive way that leads to high performance. What are they doing right? And what can we learn from them and incorporate into our own businesses? In this episode, I'm going to be sharing with you Netflix's workplace culture principles that I learnt from its founder, Reed Hastings. Enjoy! Find what you hear interesting and want to learn more on how to build a successful firm? Join our open Facebook community of 1000+ accountants where we share ideas, seek help and collaborate to build more profitable, successful and impactful accounting firms: https://bit.ly/3tQJG6M Watch my FREE brand-new Masterclass training and find out how you can build a profitable accounting firm – without making the mistakes I did. Access it here https://www.rezahooda.com/4-pillar-masterclass

EP 2507 What does your ideal culture and work environment look like? How do you contribute to building that ideal environment? This is a tough interview question that will be asked of those of you at a managerial level and above. Please do not give one of those dull boring answers. Instead, answer something like this. please skip the 1st minute. it didn't record. SUPPORTERS: Skillshare: TheBigGameHunter.us/skillshare Like Netflix for courses and TopResumes https://thebiggamehunter.us/TopResumes Stop using a mediocre resume. Have a pro write it for you. ABOUT JEFF ALTMAN, THE BIG GAME HUNTER Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a coach who worked as a recruiter for what seems like one hundred years. He is hired to provide No BS Career Advice globally. That can involve job search, hiring staff, management, leadership, career transition and advice about resolving workplace issues. Schedule a discovery call at my website, www.TheBigGameHunter.us He is the host of “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” the #1 podcast in iTunes for job search with over 2500 episodes. I do a livestream on LinkedIn, and YouTube (on the JobSearchTV.com account) Tuesdays and Fridays at 1 PM Eastern. You can send your questions about job search, hiring better, management, leadership or to get advice about a workplace issue to me via messaging on LinkedIn or in chat during the approximately 30-minute show. Website: www.TheBigGameHunter.us LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/TheBigGameHunter Courses: www.TheBigGameHunter.us/courses Main YouTube: www.JobSearchTV.com Instagram: http://instagram.com/jeffaltman Facebook: http://facebook.com/nobscoachingadvice Podcast: anchor.fm/nobsjobsearchadviceradio Video Podcast: Spotify Twitter: http://twitter.com/jeffaltmancoach Medium: jeffaltmancoach.medium.com Resume & LinkedIn Profile critiques www.TheBigGameHunter.us/critiques My courses are available on Skillshare CareerFitter offers a free test and if you want career recommendations, upgrade to the paid version https://www.TheBigGameHunter.us/career We grant permission for this post and others to be used on your website as long as a backlink is included to www.TheBigGameHunter.us and notice is provided that it is provided by Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter as an author or creator. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/nobsjobsearchadviceradio/support

The nationwide giant is no more, but it's legacy lives on according to Matt Roush, our TV Insider!

The nationwide giant is no more, but it's legacy lives on according to Matt Roush, our TV Insider!

This week's podcast is about digital content businesses, which are entirely digital economics. They can have great economics but absolutely need a moat.You can listen to this podcast here or at iTunes and Google Podcasts.Three digital content strategies I do like are:Network effects with long-tail of UGC. Such as YouTube and TikTok.Creates durable IP. Such as Disney.Service and community businesses that uses content.——-Related articles:Why I Really Like Amazon's Strategy, Despite the Crap Consumer Experience (US-Asia Tech Strategy – Daily Article)3 Big Questions for GoTo (Gojek + Tokopedia) Going Forward (2 of 2)(Winning Tech Strategy – Daily Article)Why Netflix and Amazon Prime Don't Have Long-Term Power. (2 of 2) (US-Asia Tech Strategy – Daily Article)From the Concept Library, concepts for this article are:Economics of Digital / InformationSoft Advantages: Bundling and Cross-SellingDigital Operating BasicsFrom the Company Library, companies for this article are:NetflixAmazon Prime VideoSingapore Press Holding———-I write, speak and consult about digital strategy and transformation.My book Moats and Marathons details how to measure competitive advantage in digital businesses.I also host Tech Strategy, a podcast and subscription newsletter on the strategies of the best digital companies in the US, China and Asia.This content (articles, podcasts, website info) is not investment advice. The information and opinions from me and any guests may be incorrect. The numbers and information may be wrong. The views expressed may no longer be relevant or accurate. Investing is risky. Do your own research.Support the show

In this week's Tech Talk, Boston Globe's Hiawatha Bray tells us about how about subscription services are growing popular with car makers.

Manuel Godoy explains how he ended up with one of the largest patreon communities in the world. This gritty episode explains in detail all the pros on cons of the platform, and even the downright ugly. Want to support the podcast? Leave a review and subscribe at patreon.com/blacksands

Every Family Needs a Will by #InvestopediaYour Will spells out who will get your assets after you die. A will is a legal document that puts in writing your wishes regarding the distribution of your property and the care of any minor children. If you die without a will, your wishes may not be carried out. And your heirs will end up spending additional time, money, and emotional energy to settle your affairs after you're gone.Obviously no single document can resolve every issue that arises after your death, your will—officially known as a last will and testament can come pretty close. Here's what you need to know about these vital documents.FactoidsA will is a legal document that spells out your wishes regarding the care of your children, as well as the distribution of your assets after your death.Failure to prepare a will typically leaves decisions about your estate in the hands of judges or state officials and may also cause family strife.You can prepare a will yourself, but you should have the document witnessed to decrease the likelihood of successful challenges later.To be completely sure everything is in order, consider having your will prepared by a trusts and estates attorney.More About Why You Need a Will Some people think that only the very wealthy or those with complicated assets need wills. However, there are many good reasons to have a will.You can be clear about who gets your assets. You can decide who gets what and how much.You can keep your assets out of the hands of people you don't want to have them (like an estranged relative).You can identify who should care for your children. Without a will, the courts will decide.Your heirs will have a faster and easier time getting access to your assets.You can plan to save your estate money on taxes. You can also give gifts and charitable donations, which can help offset the estate tax.

This week I go deep into a great conversation with two of the best video experts I am blessed to know, Owen and Theresa Hemsath, the founders of Acceleratus Media. Owen's transparent, level-headed approach to his struggles with cancer and how it applies to the video marketing world reminds us of what truly matters as entrepreneurs. There's a lot to unpack inside, but what I love most about this episode is that you'll hear the truth about Youtube and why most entrepreneurs misuse it. Owen and Theresa teach coaches, podcasters, and speakers how to produce video content to increase their visibility and get more customers with organic Youtube videos. Whether you've started a YouTube channel or not, this conversation will help you generate leads without fancy cameras, expensive editing, or memorizing scripts. What You'll Discover In This Episode - Why you need to stop making momentum a mistress inside your business- Three objectives to solve every time you create video content- Why you need to treat Youtube more Like Netflix than just social media- How to create viral content with authenticity Time Stamps00:00 Intro to the dynamic duo 04:35 Owen breaks down his journey with cancer 09:02 Owen shares three big objectives to aim for in business 10:21 George asks Theresa & Owen about mitigating stress and anxiety14:21 Owen shares how his battle with cancer is a lot like entrepreneurship 23:58 George asks Theresa about balancing entrepreneurship through it all29:12 Owen shares how he is doing less work and making more money34:02 The power and importance of video in your branding 41:22 Why most entrepreneurs fail at youtube and how to create magnetizing content49:22 How to get rid of the perfectionist mindset and be yourself  Quotes Reactivity in entrepreneurship just prolongs the unforeseen circumstance- GB I've really learned the value of slowing down to speed up. - Owen Hamseth  Subtraction is the secret to scale every single time- GB You don't need a million views. You need 30 people who believe passionately in what you're doing, and those 30 people could fuel your business for life- Owen Hamseth.The reason entrepreneurs fail with YouTube is because they treat it like social media. But YouTube is more like Netflix than social media- Owen Hamseth. Because of the power of parasocial relationships, we don't need massive audiences. We need powerful messages on video.- Owen HamseathBelieve it or not, your personal experiences matter. And they need to be a part of your video creation.- Owen Hamseth

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10 NXT talents were released over the weekend and it felt like Netflix canceled our favorite pandemic show, so were putting on our life jackets and diving deep into the chaos. Find out the real reasons 8 of them were released and 2 of them didn't resign. Plus past wrestlers that requested their release. Like or dont like what you heard, tell us how you feel by sending us a message HERE Listen to like minded podcasts at The Nerdvana Network Add us on Twitter Add us on Instagram 10 NXT talent were released Dakota Kai Malcolm Bivens Vish Kanya Stephanie De Lander Blair Baldwin Parker Boudreaux Reginald Chase Crews Kellie Morga Jaylen Willaims Dexter Lumis --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fromundertheapron/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fromundertheapron/support

East Dundee Trustee Scott Kunze joins John Williams to talk about the village board voting to approve a 5% amusement tax on streaming services like Netflix.

East Dundee Trustee Scott Kunze joins John Williams to talk about the village board voting to approve a 5% amusement tax on streaming services like Netflix.

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EP 2221 Knowledge only takes you so far. It's going to take a lot more than the one or two people at the career center that will help you find a job. SUPPORTERS: Skillshare TheBigGameHunter.us/skillshare Sign up for a free trial, take my course (and/or anyone else's). Like Netflix, one price per month for unlimited access to everything ABOUT JEFF ALTMAN, THE BIG GAME HUNTER Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a coach who worked as a recruiter for what seems like one hundred years. His work involves career coaching, as well as executive job search coaching, job coaching, and interview coaching. He is the host of “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” the #1 podcast in iTunes for job search with more than 2200 episodes. Are you interested in 1:1 coaching, interview coaching, advice about networking more effectively, how to negotiate your offer or leadership coaching? Schedule a discovery call at my website, www.TheBigGameHunter.us Learn to interview like a pro. "The Ultimate Job Interview Framework" www.TheBigGameHunter.us/interviews Kindle and print versions are available on Amazon. Classes On Skillshare https://thebiggamehunter.us/Skillshare Become a freelancer or hire one on fiverr.com https://thebiggamehunter.us/fiverr. I use it and I may wind up hiring you! To set up your freelance business correctly, you may want to incorporate https://thebiggamehunter.us/incorporate Join Career Angles on Facebook and receive support, ideas, and advice in your current career and job. Connect with me on LinkedIn www.linkedin.com/in/thebiggamehunter Mention you listen to the podcast or watch my YouTube channel. If you are starting your search, order, “Get Ready for the Job Jungle” on Amazon. Job Search Going Nowhere? "Diagnosing Your Job Search Problems" for Kindle on Amazon and receive free Kindle versions of "No BS Resume Advice" and "Interview Preparation. Watch my videos on YouTube at JobSearchTV.com, the Job Search TV app for Roku, fireTV or a firestick or Bingenetworks.tv for Apple TV, and 90+ smart tv's. Since 2007, FlexJobs has been the #1 site for work at home opportunities www.TheBigGameHunter.us/flex Thinking of making a career change and need some ideas that fit you. CareerFitter offers a free test and if you want more you can upgrade for the paid version.https://thebiggamehunter.us/Career --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/nobsjobsearchadviceradio/support

Pokemon is unstoppable, and Netflix also is unstoppable. Put them together and they probably could make an unstoppable live-action series, and Eurogamer.net agrees. Gotta watch em all in this episode 153 of your daily dose of Pinoy gaming news. You're listening to… Lite Control!

Czabe goes solo today and it's a straight, unedited 45 minute BANGER of a show after a jam packed weekend of "oh hey, that was sure something" sports stories. Rodgers and Watson drama. NFL starting up again. Rahm and Covid. Olympic fiascos. Fake Brady vids. The Cleveland Guardians, Texas & OU bolting, and much more! Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Netflix hires a big name gaming executive. Twitter retires Fleets. Facebook wants to make it rain for creators. TSMC says the chip shortage is starting to ease. Amazon launches serialized storytelling. And one of the biggest unicorns in the world, just 6x'd in less than a year.Sponsors:WealthFront.com/techmemeCanva.me/techmemeLinks:Netflix Plans to Offer Video Games in Push Beyond Films, TV (Bloomberg)Twitter is shutting down Fleets, its expiring tweets feature (The Verge)Facebook plans to pay creators $1 billion to use its products. (NYTimes)TSMC Expects Auto-Chip Shortage to Abate This Quarter (WSJ)Amazon launches its mobile-first Kindle Vella serialized story platform (Engadget)Revolut confirms a fresh $800M in funding at a $33B valuation (TechCrunch)See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Start a membership like Netflix in 2021 Hey CEO Teachers! Today I am interviewing an online membership maven and, yes, someone who only recently started her online membership platform AND is running her membership like Netflix within one year of starting it! If you don't already know Jess Massey, I have no doubt that you are going to love her. Friend, meet Jess — a grad school drop out turned planner designer, podcast host, and founder of the community-centered productivity brand, Hustle Sanely. Hustle Sanely planners and courses use the 5 Keys to Hustling Sanely to teach busy women how to pursue their goals without feeling burnt out, overwhelmed, or sacrificing their mental health and relationships. While Jess is going to offer you a master class on online membership management, Jess is also passionate about helping women manage their time and energy so that they can kiss their overwhelming to-do lists goodbye and peacefully live productive lives. If you don't already follow Jess on Instagram (I would recommend that you do!), you're going to hear why we love her so much. Running an online Membership like Netflix is easier than you think  Jess runs a very successful online membership or, as we like to call it, a teacher membership. But whether your an educator or not, Jess loves to help anyone lucky enough to be within earshot to succeed. So if you're thinking, “Kayse, there's no possible way I could start an online membership in 2021…” well, my friend, it might be time to think again. Jess is going to share all of the ways that you can manage your content while serving your community. And to get started…it's as easy as clicking play. You're going to hear the tactical inspiration that you need to start and run an online membership — this year — the way that Netflix runs Netflix! Put down your self doubt and pick up this episode! In this episode, you will learn: How making the decision to drop out of grad school led Jess to becoming a full-time entrepreneur How you can use one piece of content and repurpose it across all of your platforms — whether inside OR outside of your membership Why it's sometimes most difficult to see your natural gifts Why you don't need a huge community to have a successful online membership And where, when, and how to use your entire catalog of content to provide value, on-board new members, and sell…without feeling sell-y or inauthentic LINKS MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE ABOUT MAKING YOUR ONLINE MEMBERSHIP LIKE NETFLIX… The CEO Teacher's Marketing with Email Guide: kaysemorris.com/email Free Hustle Sanely Workbook Join the Hustle Sanely BFF Membership Jess Massey on Instagram Hustle Sanely on Instagram Jess Massey's Podcast Jess Massey's Website CEO TEACHER® RESOURCES WORTH THEIR WEIGHT IN GOLD:  What's your CEO Teacher® Type? Find out here! Download my free book, Start or Expand Your Online Teacher Business, and get started building your business today! Check out my CEO Teacher® Book Recommendations here! JOIN OUR CEO TEACHER® PODCAST COMMUNITY TO GROW WITH LIKE-MINDED TEACHERS: The CEO Teacher® Podcast Facebook Group Send me a DM on Instagram– I love chatting with my people, so hit me up with all of your online membership management and platform questions! ENJOYING THE PODCAST? THANKS FOR TUNING IN! Tag me @kaysemorris on Instagram and tell me what you are listening to! I love seeing what resonates most with our listeners!  I don't want you to miss a thing! Be the first to know when a new episode is available by subscribing on iTunes here! If you would like to support The CEO Teacher® podcast, it would mean so much to me if you would leave a review on iTunes. By leaving a review, you are helping fellow CEO teachers find this podcast and start building a life they love.  To leave a review on iTunes, click HERE and scroll down to Ratings and Reviews. Click “Write a Review” and share with me how this podcast is changing your business and your life! READY FOR MORE? I LIKE YOUR STYLE! LISTEN TO THESE CEO TEACHER® PODCAST EPISODES NEXT! Why Teachers Should Sell a Membership with Tara Tuchel Running a Teacher Membership with Tim Topham Having a Successful Course and Membership with Malia Hollowell

Welcome back to a dose of nerdiness! Folks the future is once again now and with that comes things good and bad. While the new Unreal Engine 5 was showcased to show a glimpse of how beautiful games can look in the near future, some things are just getting weirder. Like Netflix's new marketing strategy to promote their anime selection, a vtuber. We're serious, this is a real thing. Look it up if you don't believe us. BATTLE MILES!!!: https://battlemiles.com?sca_ref=134907.mAbMJKH66T Follow us on Instagram @superswolebrothers Leave us a voice message on Anchor! https://anchor.fm/superswolebros and follow us on Facebook!!! https://www.facebook.com/sswolebros Oh yeah... #getswole ... #kangaroosensei --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/superswolebros/message

Would you move your data science project from a laptop to the cloud? Would you also like to have snapshots of your project saved along the way so that you can go back in time or share the state of your project with another team member? This week on the show, we have Savin Goyal from Netflix. Savin is the technical lead for machine learning infrastructure at Netflix. He joins us to talk about Metaflow, an open-source tool to simplify building, managing, and scaling data science projects.

Learn from a master of brand building, Barry Enderwick, former Netflix marketing executive and now head of Kaizen Creative Partnerships. We talked with Barry one on one about the ingredients every distributor needs to succeed, what your brand promise is (and how to keep it), what a start up can do "build their brand bank" from day one ... and much more!

At 18, Jay Olenicz decided to break a world record. Four years later, Jay and his brother embarked on the 48-day journey across the Atlantic that would earn them three Guinness World Records. After several near-death experiences and countless hours of reflection, Jay conducted a reassessment of his life. This profound experience inspired him to quit his management consulting job in Bristol, UK, and start a travel tech startup in early 2020. Jay is the CEO and Co-founder of Staze, a travel app that allows you to book last-minute “holiday” rentals for discounted prices and provides travel recommendations so that you don't have to worry about deciding where to go. What is the PROBLEM that Staze is solving? When Jay was a management consultant, he traveled and stayed at Airbnb's so often that he realized that he could get significant discounts on luxurious Airbnb accommodations if he contacted the owners last-minute and asked for a discount. He and his Co-founder, Henry, realized there was no marketplace for discounted rentals. The Problem for Travelers: The process of traveling and booking last-minute vacations is fundamentally broken. On average, it takes fours hours of research for someone to find a place to travel. Travel, in its current archaic state, is like Blockbuster 20 years ago, where you would have to choose what movie to rent out of a selection of 100s of options. Additionally, without a market for discounted rentals, most travelers will spend a lot of money unnecessarily. The Problem for Hosts: In the UK, holiday rentals are unoccupied 45% percent of the time throughout the year, which amounts to about about 50 million nights per year. But this isn't just a problem in the UK, it is a global problem. Across the world, there are 1.2 billion nights per year of holiday rentals that are unoccupied. This is a massive amount of money that is being lost. What is Staze's SOLUTION? Staze saves travelers money by giving them access to last minute holiday rental deals and they save hosts money by maximizing the utility of their properties. Like Netflix recommends shows, Staze personalizes your travel search based on your preferences. By using travel preferences (such as cost and distance) and leveraging an AI engine, they save “thinking” time for their consumers by reducing the four hours it usually takes to book a trip down to four minutes. As a result, Staze helps people travel more for less and also helps property managers to maximise their revenue. Staze's mission is to “enable people to live fun, free, and fulfilled lives through experiential exploration.” 2 Value Bombs When you're able to disconnect from the world, you're able to reconnect with yourself on a deep level. Devoid your environment of external stimuli, and you will have no choice but to go deeply within yourself. When you have a two-sided marketplace, target the acute pain points for those on both sides of the equation. In Staze's case, they increased travel demand by minimizing the cost and time it takes to travel, which incentivizes hosts to offer up more rental properties. Jay Olenicz's LinkedIn Jay Olenicz's Twitter Staze's Website You can visit https://inventingthefuture.ai for the full show notes.

Andreas und Kai sprechen über modernes Dashboarding und wie Ansätze aus alltäglichen Anwendungen wie Netflix und Co. uns dabei helfen! In dieser Folge lernt ihr: • Welche Dashboardtypen es gibt • Was eine einfache und intuitive Navigation in Dashboards ausmacht • Warum Kacheln in keinem Guided Dashboard fehlen dürfen • Wie Storytelling mit dem Ebenenkonzept für Dashboards funktioniert • Warum Netflix und Co. als Inspiration für Business Dashboards so wichtig ist

Whats the best way to market and a promote a new show for a streaming service? Should you release the episodes all at once or week to week? How does the release strategy affect your marketing tactics before, during and after release? On this episode we are joined by Henry Ong, Former Sr. Global Marketing Manager, at Marvel and Disney to discuss how the largest streaming companies promote their shows and grow their audience. Henry discusses the future of streaming, how movie theaters will be effected and how this relates to consumers of all types of content FOLLOW THE HOST, David Brickley: Twitter: https://twitter.com/DavidjBrickley Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/davidjbrick... YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6yZbmTvJfjY8h79Wpm49Zw LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brickley/ An STN Digital Production: STN Digital is a Social Media Marketing Agency trusted by the largest Sports & Entertainment properties in the world. https://stndigital.com FOLLOW STN DIGITAL: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/STNDigital/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stndigital/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/STNDigital LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/stn-...

Whats the best way to market and a promote a new show for a streaming service? Should you release the episodes all at once or week to week? How does the release strategy affect your marketing tactics before, during and after release? On this episode we are joined by Henry Ong, Former Sr. Global Marketing Manager, at Marvel and Disney to discuss how the largest streaming companies promote their shows and grow their audience. Henry discusses the future of streaming, how movie theaters will be effected and how this relates to consumers of all types of content FOLLOW THE HOST, David Brickley: Twitter: https://twitter.com/DavidjBrickley Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/davidjbrick... YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6yZbmTvJfjY8h79Wpm49Zw LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brickley/ An STN Digital Production: STN Digital is a Social Media Marketing Agency trusted by the largest Sports & Entertainment properties in the world. https://stndigital.com FOLLOW STN DIGITAL: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/STNDigital/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stndigital/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/STNDigital LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/stn-...

See my notes here on DX Circle!Audio Source: https://a16z-live.simplecast.com/episodes/a16z-infra-1-2iEyBTf5a16z on InfraIntroductions and Backgrounds [00:00:00]Martin Casado: [00:00:00] So this is the a16z infrastructure show. This is actually the very first one.  Where are we going to be talking about infrastructure companies investing in them, building them products? It just turns out that we're three GPS at a16z, and we all have a lot of experience in info.Like all of our companies were infrastructure companies. We do a lot of infra investing. So the way that we're going to structure this session is first, we're going to introduce, our backgrounds in context of that. Many of you know, us, many of you have worked with us. But we do want to give you a sense our relationship with infrastructure and how we went through it.So we'll and we each go through our own kind of bios that way and I'll orchestrate that. Okay. Th then we're going to talk about why infrastructure is different. This isn't B2B, this is an enterprise, this isn't vertical SAS. It's specifically infrastructure. And it's my it's my favorite topic and my favorite area.So we'll go through that. We've got a lot of great questions on Twitter, and so we're going to try and get through those. And then if we still have time, then we'll open up to questions. Uh, for everybody else. So that's rough, we plan to have this every two weeks and we want to cover everything as things go, we want to cover category creation and we want to cover open-source and we want to cover the shifts and go to market and the cloud and investing and everything else.So we're going to go ahead and start with our intros and just, yeah, very quickly. So for the, if you don't know, so I'm Martine I'm a GPN Andreessen Horowitz, and. I actually want to start by introducing Ben actually having him introduce himself, but I want to let you know how I met Ben. So I was doing my PhD at Stanford in the networking space, and we spun out and we started a company called this Sera.This is the software defined networking space. And we started it right before. Like the great recession, the nuclear winter had set in and we were struggling. And one of our investors who was also on our board was Andy Rachleff, who was actually a professor at Stanford at the time, but he's this super famous investor from benchmark.And we were at the, we were at the bottom of the recession and we're like, we had a professor as a CEO and he needed a new CEO and we were talking with Andy Rachleff and we're like, who would be the best person on earth? It's well, there's this guy that just sold the company to HP.And his name is Ben. And I had never heard of him at the time. And and we should talk to him. So this I, this was in 2008, so I got introduced in the band and he came in, of course, Ben's you have so insightful and he'd just done it. Like he just built a company at the same thing. And uh, so I asked Ben if he would be our CEO, actually.Ben, do you remember what you said in response to that? I don't. I don't. I said, no, you said I'm too rich.You're like to be CEO of a company like this. You gotta be piped in. And so instead, however, Ben and Mark invested Ben ended up joining the board. And so much of what I've learned has been with Ben. And so I thought it'd be great if Ben, most of you know him, but it'd be great if he just gave you a quick rundown of kind of his background with respect to infrastructure that we'll move on to David.So Ben, if you wouldn't mind. Ben Horowitz: [00:02:36] Yeah. Sure. And that, that did bring that a, man's got to know his limitations. If you know how hard a job is if you're going to give somebody a really, really hard, nearly impossible job, it's it really helps if they're not rich, I have to say, yeah, that's a good hiring tip as well.At some point, rich people are just like, this is too hard. I'm going to the Martin Casado: [00:02:54] beach. Things we learned multiple times, I think, in, in our Ben Horowitz: [00:02:57] careers. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah kinda my career, actually, my, probably my career in infrastructure, I started way back when I was an engineer at Silicon graphics and kind of the first.I was working on, we were, we had to put, we had an operating system called IRX or truss Unix-based and we were the first we had built the, the original multiprocessor machines. And so there was this task of having to. Put semaphores on all the Colonel processes and so forth so that they went collide and you wouldn't have all these weird race conditions, which was I would say probably the most complicated engineering job I ever had, but.Eventually then eventually went to a company called Netscape where I was in charge of kind of the web servers and then we needed a directory kind of project. And so we that's where we. I got the idea to  popularize LDAP and kind of make up the directory standard.And that was like my big infrastructure thing there. And then Mark and I founded a company called LoudCloud, which was one of the first or the original kind of cloud computing company started much too early. Ironically, because there wasn't enough infrastructure like principally, there was no virtualization, for example.And so you couldn't really do cloud computing in that way, but the tools that we had so we transformed that company into a company called Opsware and that's the one that I sell to HP, which made me to to rich, to take Martine stock. Martin Casado: [00:04:21] And since joining Andreesen, you've done a lot of infra investing actually so comfortable.It'd be great to just go through that a bit. Ben Horowitz: [00:04:28] Yeah, sure. Made a bunch of introduced structure investments. The first  investment I've made is on a company called Okta, which was very familiar to me from my directory days. And more recently I've invested in a company called Databricks.And then, most recently one called any scale and Databricks is infrastructure for AI and big data. And any scale is a new way to, how do you get the kind of processing power that you need, at the growth rate that you need. Now that Moore's law is definitely not going fast enough to support the hunger of AI and it can turn it can basically Make the cloud look like your laptop and make it very easy to program in parallel.Martin Casado: [00:05:10] Awesome. All right. Cool. So I was one of Ben's investments. He joined, we were definitely for a journalist Sarah networks. I was gonna say there was another one, sorry about that. Yeah we so very honestly I learned so much of what I know by having been on my board.We ended up selling the company to VMware where I ran that business. And when I left, there was about a $600 million business and end to end, that was about an 11 year journey. And then I joined Andreessen Horowitz where I also focus on core infrastructure. And as part of that, I'd always heard of DaveBut I met him and I don't know if you ever have these moments where you're like, I dunno, you meet someone new and it's like talking to a long lost brother, but I feel like he's lived this parallel life to me as far as the company he's built and what he's done. And so super happy he was able to join as well.And do you, if you're cool with it, it'd be great to get your personal journey through infra just to set the stage before we actually dive in. Sure, sure. David Ulevitch: [00:06:03] And this is great. This is a favorite topic. So. I was one of those people probably like you Martina and who fell into infrastructure early in my computing career.And I had an internship at a mom and pop ISP in Sydney, Diego because I had demanded to our family that we get real internet. Not like AOL or prodigy much to the dismay. I think of my sister because all her friends were, her prints were on like AOL, but when I wanted internet, so we got that. And then I was able to get an internship in eighth grade at this company and learned all about this.This is a company that's run on Sonos and later on a Solaris, which are just a slightly marginally better than IRX that Ben was talking about. But only marginally and So I learned all about routing and networking and Unix, and started my career as a mediocre or programmer there. It was great to understand how appearing works and how the internet worked.And I really, at that point fell in love with the internet and how it cross borders and how, you had this asymmetric opportunity to either write code or do something that could reach a whole bunch of people. And then there was sort of one technology in particular that I fell in love with, which was the DNS or the domain name system.And I started buying domain names. I would eventually went off to to college and built a domain name management sort of service because I started to own a bunch of domain names and all these other tech people started to use my free service. And we had the founder of Rackspace using my service.We had distinguished engineers at sun and chief scientist at Microsoft. And at that point we became big enough that we needed to build a network. And so I started to learn about things like any CAS networking and how the internet really started to come together from a commercial standpoint. And we got Rackspace that data centers, things you don't have to do any more.Cause we have AWS and GCP and Azure, but we started to build out a global network. We got IP addresses allocated to us, and I really had an incredible experience learning how to scale up and infrastructure. And that eventually paved the way to building a company called open DNS, which was a cybersecurity company that started out.As a consumer company to give people a faster and safer and better internet experience. Many, many millions of people wanted that none of those people wanted to pay for it. They'd rather go buy a cup of Starbucks once a month, instead of paying me three or four bucks a month for a better internet and safer internet.But it turned out a lot of businesses were using our product and the timing, this was We started the company at the end of 2005. And so by the 2007, 2008, the iPhone was out. People were bringing all kinds of wireless devices into the office devices, you couldn't install traditional end point security onto.And so a lot of it administrators were using open DNS to provide better protection as a network service, without having to install endpoint software, because we were delivering all of our security as a service using the DNS. And that was a novel innovation that we had. We'd come up with.And so all these businesses were using it. None of them were paying us and we needed to make money. And so in 2009, we went through a major transition to becoming an enterprise cyber security company and starting with all those millions of free users, eventually figuring out what two ones are businesses.And we'll talk about some of that today, but it started to go down that sort for enterprise, go to market and. That's what ended up becoming a decent sized enterprise cybersecurity company. We sold to Cisco. And like you said, we were you and I have a very mirrored career path. And in some ways I went on to run the security business at Cisco, which was a great experience working with really great people.We had about 240,000 customers. It was really an exciting opportunity to both operate and lead at scale, we did a bunch of acquisitions and I was very happy after three and a half years in Cisco to to get a call from someone that people that know a16z well know, Jeff stump is on our team here and talk to him and Ben and you, and a whole bunch of folks.And they've been here ever since now. It's two and a half years, and I invest in enterprise software, but a little bit of, a little bit of the infrastructure stuff. I think the one investment that we've announced in this space is is census, which sort of operated the, at the data layer. We can talk about that later.What is Infra? [00:09:51]Martin Casado: [00:09:51] So I think maybe for starters, especially since we've got a very varied audience, it's probably good to cover, like what infrastructure actually is. So what do we mean by infra? Why is it exciting? Why does it make sense to actually have a separate, talk around in for us?It for traditionally has meant that the stuff that apps are dealt on. And so it, traditionally has been compute network storage. These days is everything from dev tools to security, to API APIs. But think about it is the underlying layers that we use to, to build modern compute apps.And, it actually is quite different. Like companies and infra are, tend to be quite different than other, and that, they tend to be like quite technical. They tend to be horizontal. They they tend to have, complex insertions. They tend to be the product of. Real tactical work.They tend to be a little disconnected from business users. And so if you look at an infrastructure company, they often look quite different than, a typical app company. But they've really had a moment in the last couple of years. If you heard names like Okta and snowflake and GitHub and Databricks and do on MuleSoft and Datadog, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, these are all core infrastructure companies.Will Infra Ever Be Over? [00:10:56]And so I think, actually, it'd be interesting to hear your thoughts. Ben and David, which is, it's always been these underlying. The underlying technology, but you always have to wonder is is the day of infra ever over like steel? Are we ever done, like building like the concrete and like the rebar and whatever, and it's just about apps or is it going to continue to be a growth area?Because this year, last year just been phenomenal for infra. And if you have any opinions on that, it would be fun to talk through it. Ben Horowitz: [00:11:20] I think we're very far away from Infrastructure being over and it being done. And what happens is the needs of the applications change.And then the infrastructure has to change. The kind of, one of the first big shifts in our careers in infrastructure was the shift to cloud computing, which completely changed the requirement. As one of the brilliant things about Nycira networks is that networking got completely, just got devastated in terms of all of its architectural flaws. Once you move into the cloud environment. And, we used to talk about, okay, East West traffic versus North South traffic and. You know what Cisco could do and what kind of and so forth. And then, but that happened at every layer in the stack, storage was broken, the operating systems were broken every kind of piece of infrastructure wasn't built for that kind of an architecture.And so it has to be completely rebuilt and, and then as, things have scaled, then things have to be upgraded, on, on the other side, as we move from just procedural programming so AI, and now we're, the data is the program. There needs to be a whole tool chain to support that.And then, a lot of people are going, Oh, wow. Like this NFT thing is an amazing craze and it seems like it popped up overnight. But the, those of us who are infrastructure, people know that this thing has been, decentralized computing. And, trustless state, across machines is something that's been worked on since 2009.And and the first kind of cut at NFTs for things like crypto kitties blew up the infrastructure, so the infrastructure needed to be revamped. And so anytime there's a new important application need, I think, it ends up causing an evolution of the infrastructure. And that evolution of the infrastructure is, maybe the best thing to look at.If you're trying to understand. Stan what's going to happen in the future because, like I say, a lot of people are like shocked and amazed by NFTs and they just think it's some wackadoo thing. But, for those of us who have been like an infrastructure where Oh yeah, this is coming and we're surprised it took this long.And now that it's here, we know exactly what it is. So it's a a great way to fortune tell what's going to happen in apps world as well. Martin Casado: [00:13:32] Yeah. Yeah. I was, I always find it interesting to walk through like the major trends that we track and infra, particularly with respect to this, because it just drags on so much behind it, an early, I think an early lesson that I learned building an infra company as.It just seems like lower layers of the stack never go away, but there's always something that you build on top of them. And so it's almost like we're just gaining in complexity over time. And so I want to talk to a few of the trends that we track at a 16 Z and then, and then David, as I end up, it'd be great.Trends - Data [00:13:59]If you want to add any of them, but it'll just give you a sense of the disruptive power of infrastructure, how big the markets are, and how it, it opens up future potentials for say what's companies or investment. One of them, this is going to sound like a cliche.But but it, I, there is a lot deep there and that is that as data. And what do we mean by data? Data is just so central to how we build businesses, right? And again, like this is one of these cliches, which everybody has been saying. It we've been saying it for 20 years, but like we have these massive proof points recently of, large companies, large startups, snowflake Databricks, for example that are centered around data, but then applications and.And all of in front of is really to empower applications of using data for differentiation. In fact, actually, if you look at the application space, you're like okay, like what differs like three different SAS? Those let's look at three different, like whatever, three different SAS apps say that they're consumer apps.And you're like, okay, to build one of those things, Yeah, you have to understand distributed systems, but we know that yeah, you have to build a big cloud service. You have to know that, like these things are hard things to do. But they're pretty well understood, but to actually do good personalization and actually to do good prediction, to actually use data in a way that's differentiated, that's almost where a lot of the battle has moved to.And as a result, we're seeing this kind of explosion  of companies and tooling around data. And what they're trying to do is they're trying to enable those that are building SAS apps, the ability to to do, whatever on the business side they're wanting to do with kind of higher accuracy, whether this is wait time prediction, whether this is personalization, but this is pricing, whether this is fraud detection.And so from an investor standpoint, there's probably too many companies to track and you always have seems an infrastructure. You've got these kinds of explosions and then these contractions, right? Like you see an explosion of apps. Companies, and then they consolidate, we're seeing an explosion of data companies and they're going to consolidate.So if you look at data as as a market segment, it's growing about twice as fast, the cagar is the rest of infrastructure. So it's a major area, it's a major area of focus and investment. And again, you've got dozens of companies that underlie it. So that's one trend that we're very focused on.Trend - SaaS [00:15:59] Another trend that's quite interesting is, when David Ben and I got into the game decades ago, like software companies were actually software companies. Like they shipped software that's where I cut my teeth. There's you'd write code and you'd ship it. And you built companies around that.Like you built companies around having releases and getting them out and being able to debug remotely and supporting, complex HCLs Hardware compatibility lists. It's in different environments. And that was really what the companies looked like. These days it's very tough actually to find Harbor company or sorry, shipping software companies, almost every company is becoming basically a SAS company or an operations company.And it's just a very. Different type of company, right? The way that you write software, the way that you support the software. It all is becoming operations and there's huge impacts to infrastructure because rather than having something that I can give to somebody else, that's easy to debug and run.The question is how can I have high up times internally? And listen, we've seen massive increase in, or like changes in personnel. Like for example, SREs now are very much in demand. There's change in the programming style to do this change in development methodology, changing in the tool set and so forth.So this is also another kind of cross vertical area. That's very interesting. Do you mean be, want to talk a little bit about the pro-sumer ization of infrastructure or bottom up, because that's an area that you focus on quite a bit.Trends - Security Analytics, Billing, Metering [00:17:14]David Ulevitch: [00:17:14] Yeah, actually I was thinking, as I'm listening to you talk about these things, I was thinking that, all of these trends are talking about have the.These massive derivative sort of downstream effects, right? So when people talk about the massive amounts of data, that creates opportunities, not just for the storage companies and the database companies, but then it creates new opportunities for the analytics companies. It creates a new surface area for security companies to focus on data privacy and data governance and all this regulatory controls around data.And that all of those standalone, all of those derivatives, sorry. Sort of our categories of their own. When you talk about every company is becoming a SAS company and we don't ship perpetual license software anymore. One of the things I think you and I have heard over and over again, especially when we talk to infrastructure companies and I'm sure Ben sees this as well, is that all these companies are now dealing with major issues around billing and metering of their customers.And, AWS may have a major metering solution for being able to do billing and metering. But all of the SAS companies building on top of these platforms have almost nothing, right? There's, they're older tools around subscription billing, but not a lot around usage based billing. I'm sure companies like Twilio have had to build their own.Then, you mentioned the SREs and all this operational sophistication that companies need that creates whole new opportunities around management tools. Around, across cloud and private cloud sort of management tools that people need. And so all these major trends end up coming up with all these derivatives categories that ended up getting created that are brand new surface areas for new companies to be made.And many of them are just very large, even on their own. That's what I was thinking about as you were. Martin Casado: [00:18:46] I do think it's worth it. And just a moment, we'll get more in kind of the weeds and questions that are, I know, on, on many folks minds, things like, open source and so forth.Trends - Prosumerization of Tech [00:18:55]But I do think it's worth talking through what makes it infrastructure companies. Different like how we look at it on David Ulevitch: [00:19:02] the, on the bottom, on the bottoms up point, you were asking about, developers have way more power and control than they've ever had before in terms of the buying decisions of technology, especially for technology companies.And that has changed. I think the entire go to market for infrastructure companies. You're no longer a sales person reaching out to a CIO to arrange a golf game, to talk about. While your database is better or why your data center is better. Like all those days are gone. Now you're basically doing content marketing to get somebody excited about the technology that you've created.The developer is just going to download it. Maybe it's open source at the heart of it. They're going to download it and play with it. Or they're going to set up an account and start using it right away. They have to have time to value that's measured in minutes or hours. And then eventually you're going to start tracking all the analytics and data of how people use it.And that then eventually feeds over to a sales person who tries to go create a much larger opportunity, but that transformation has been, I think a, not a major shift in how every infrastructure company has ever gone to market before compared to how they're going to market today.And it's been a major re-imagining of even the stack and how sales teams and marketing teams come together inside of infrastructure companies. Martin Casado: [00:20:12] One thing that's super, I think maybe unique to infrastructure, which is you almost have this weird barbell construction with the team, which is most infrastructure companies require a kind of a deep understanding of the market or technology, right?Like you had to understand DNS, Ben had to understand the cloud. I had to understand the networking. And so the people that do it tend to be the, tend to be, technical founders, very focused on that. But at the same time at the same time, there's like actually tends to be a much more difficult go to market as well.Just because, often you're selling something that's low level, that's relatively technical. Normally you're actually somewhat removed from the business, value. You're like, yes, I get the case of software defined networking, yeah. makes things operationally more flexible or like whatever it is.It's very difficult to actually tie that to our revenue. And so I think one of the things that's tough about being a founder for an infrastructure and even an investor is you do need someone that, both has to be very good at go to market and has to be very good at tech and product.And and we see this in a lot of the founders and then everybody up here, and I don't know, Ben, I don't want to put you too much on the spot, but you saw, like my evidence. So I just, I just look how naive I was early on. I was just so tech focused and later I just had to learn, go to market and it took about 10 years and this and that.And I'm just wondering do you have any thoughts about how you bridge that gap either as a founder or as a board, or, how do you think through that? Because I think it is probably the broadest gap between technology and go to market in the industry. Ben Horowitz: [00:21:37] Yeah, that's a great lead up. I would say, one, it varies a little, so it depends where in the infrastructure stack you are. So in a Sarah was, I would say the worst case scenario in terms of go to market challenge, because it was infrastructure that.Was basically at the bottom of the stack. So if something went wrong with Nicera, then you basically get fired as the customer. And that's always a tough place to start with a new company. You really have to be. Comprehensively good at product marketing sales, lead generation story.Every everything's gotta be exactly perfect to get that off. These days, just no matter how compelling your value proposition or how great your technology is that ends up being a thing. But it is always. I would say challenging because you are going, you're the underpinning and if your stuff doesn't work and if your company doesn't last and all the things that people have to trust about, you have to be in place and, Oh, by the way, if you ever, God forbid have some kind of breach, you'd just die right there.A lot of the things that I look at are, most of what I do with the infrastructure companies that I'm on the board on are focused on and, helping the founders, CEO get the right kind of partners, I would say on the kind of sales and marketing side To do that product.And I always assume that the founder doesn't quite know what they're doing. And like really one of my favorite stories on this was, Okta has got off to a very rough start because of this go to market problem. And what happened was, they had come from salesforce.com and salesforce.com had a very kind of specific go-to market idea, which worked for an app, which was, Hey, we have.One 10th, the features of CBO, the on-premise product. So we're not going to go sell to those guys. We'll sell the guys. They can't get to because it's too heavyweight. And so they start at the bottom of the market and they work their way up. So Octa tried that, but it turns out. Little companies don't care that much about their security infrastructure.So it was a terrible place to start. And so just, me, a lot of the things we worked on is, okay, not only are we selling to the wrong customer, but because we're selling to the wrong customer, we have the wrong channel. We have the wrong pricing. We have the wrong marketing, like everything is wrong and we have to make that shift.And of course, once they made the shift, they went from being a company that looked like it. Wasn't going to make it to a very successful company, just highlight how important, go to market ends up being usually what makes an infrastructure company succeed or fail. Yeah. It's Martin Casado: [00:24:08] it's just so you would hope that this is the challenge for those that have spent, whatever their schooling to learn business.So they understand all the challenges, but in France almost, primarily product and tech founders, right? Like David  like DNS, and it's interesting when you see I remember when I first met David I'm like, listen, this guy is like a head of sales, right? All he thinks about as good a marketer you've talked with Ali or any of.Any of these founders for these companies is just, such a big focus. And even like D David, th just to pull you in really quickly, I remember you're like the last three years I've been like a student of go to market. Like, how did I. Did you know, and now as you take board seats, for example and you work with, infrastructure founders do you feel tempted to drag them into, go to market or focus on product or, David Ulevitch: [00:24:51] yeah, I think I look, I think there's different phases of the company journey.And I think, that when I think about my own experience and then. The companies that we work with, and then we spend time with people. Basically you have the technical founder hat, which is you need to have a technology that works. That's really good. It's differentiated at solving a real problem.And it really, 10 X way to what the world looks like in me, to Ben's point about Salesforce. I may not do everything that the incumbent solution does, but it does something else just in a dramatically better fashion that, so you wear that technical hat and product hat and you build that, but then eventually.Every founder sort realized. I was like, just because you build it does not mean that the customers will come. And so I found that out in multiple painful ways, because every time you solve that problem, then you want to Uplevel your company. Then you have to resolve that problem. And so figuring out and spending time with customers and really putting on that sort of sales CEO, hat, I think is one of the best ways to actually become a great CEO.Because it means that you're listening to your customers. It means you're understanding exactly what the market is telling you. People always ask questions, like how should I price my product? What, how should I package it up? A lot of those questions actually get answered just by being in the market.And you, as a CEO of, I think of an infrastructure company, you can't outsource that. Like you can get help from your product team, from your product marketing team, but you actually can't outsource it. You have to be out there with your customers, especially if you're aspirational and who you want your customers to be.You can spend time with your current customers. That's great. But if you want bigger customers or you want a different segment of the customer base or a different vertical to go after, you have to get out of there. So I was spending, this is like the period of my life, where, and I think, Ben and Martina and lots of people that are listening can relate to this.You ended up getting the, United global services and you realize that's actually a status you'd never want to get, because it means just spending too much time Martin Casado: [00:26:34] on the road, seven years, seven years of golden services, man. David Ulevitch: [00:26:37] It feels really good when you first get it for cancer.Yeah. Ben Horowitz: [00:26:41] Yeah. That's a. It's very bad for your health. It turns out. David Ulevitch: [00:26:44] Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Ultimate Pyrrhic victory and, and but, so I really enjoyed the experience of getting out in front of customers and recognizing that the software and the services we had built in the infrastructure we had built to deliver that service.Was powering some of the biggest companies out there are some of the companies I respected the most. And so that, and then we're actually one of the most interesting things about that journey is you actually find out your whole company really loves that experience too. Like engineers that are working on really hard engineering problems, love finding out that, you went from having your biggest deal, be like a hundred thousand dollar.Annual deal to closing a customer, that's paying you now a million dollars a year. And like the satisfaction of knowing that, the code that you write and the services you've stood up are now I'm getting paid for in that way, because people are finding that value. Like I found that really satisfying and exhilarating, but the only way to go through that journey is I think to be as close to the customers as possible then brought up like, 500 really important threads.You talking, he mentioned channels. He mentioned pricing. Like all of these things are things that you just have to spend a lot of time on. And the worst part about all of them is that once you actually get one working and get it right, it's only going to work for a while and you create more Slack somewhere else in the system where you dedicate your attention, but then once you then go, tighten up the Slack somewhere else, you have to come back to pricing.You have to come back to packaging. We have to come back to your channels and distribution strategy. And that, that for the, the right kind of founders, I think is really an exciting part of the company building process. Deplatforming and Decentralization [00:28:13]Martin Casado: [00:28:13] Awesome. Okay. Let's I'm going to, so I think we should get a little bit into the nuts and bolts now.There's one topic I want to go too into David. I actually, so this, we've had an amazing few years in infrastructure. Like many of the top enterprise companies are like core and for companies, it's data it's, whatever, but Going forward. There's also a lot of opportunity, both in frontier tech.Like whether it's satellites, but we're also just seeing like the traditional players being blown up. And I know one that you've been focused on is listen. There's a lot that's going on with kind of regulation and compliance. And when you see companies taking political stands and you and I hit this and I helped run a CDN, many years ago.And. You ran a DNS server and this has always been an issue. But often when you try and deep platform, infrastructure is what reshapes to provide hosting. And so love your thoughts on the current environment and what that might mean to infrastructure.And those in this audience that are thinking about building infrastructure companies. Oh, yeah. We'll call David Ulevitch: [00:29:10] this a leading question, but I know, my views on this, so I'll share them widely, which is that, I think companies have a right to operate. They want the way they want to operate.But when I looked at what was happening, around the election, when AWS kicked parlor off their services, like I, and I say this about actually any opinion about parlor or, and, I guess I've only seen AWS do it. They want what it really is to me signaled, it was like, this is a great.Infrastructure opportunity because for a long time, I think people felt like the lower layers of the stack were fully baked. There's no room for innovation, Azure GCP, and AWS have cornered the market on standing up hosting and infrastructure and services at those low layers. But, if you're running a service like parlor and you can just get thrown off by one of those services that, you just get thrown off by the other two as well.Then all of a sudden. There's going to be people that are now like fully invigorated and have been now catalyzed in action to go re-imagine. How do you build truly like Bulletproof globally, distributed, decentralized hosting and infrastructure solutions. And we know that in the crypto world we're seeing this across a number of of the crypto initiatives to create file hosting, file distribution content distribution, and all of these things now are going to, I think, start to get a ton of R and D effort because one of the great things about the internet has been that it's been decentralized and, as these Cod platforms of urgent and offered a lot of flexibility, they've also now centralized a lot of that control that the internet used to de-centralized.And so I, I get excited about the idea that, maybe parlor, which, good writtens are not good writtens, but it may end up being the greatest catalyst to re-imagining infrastructure that we thought was done fully baked in that no room left for innovation. And I'm sure someone's going to start to tie together new pieces of new ways.And I'm excited for that. Ben Horowitz: [00:30:56] Yeah, and really interesting on that, parlor, there's a lot of things that would be very hard to run on a decentralized service right now. Like Netflix kind of comes to mind as something you would rather not try, but parlor could definitely work. So that is a, like a really interesting idea.Like parlor is something that you could probably decentralize right now Martin Casado: [00:31:16] for sure. I just love the info when this whole thing went down or just funny to see the different personas and yours is definitely like the, I think the infrastructure founder view, which is, this goes down and some people like, this is good, parlor's a bad thing.Others are like, Oh, this is council culture. This is terrible. This shouldn't happen at central ship. But my reaction was yours, which is this is totally a failure and infrastructure. That's right. David Ulevitch: [00:31:38] Yeah. And we know it can be done the pirate failures than online the parent days, like two decades now.And this is a site that has been legally shut down so many times. It's it's still on there. Totally. And we know what can be done, but it can be done better in a more scalable way. And in a more general purpose Martin Casado: [00:31:52] way. So my sensibilities were totally offended just because I'm like, how is it possible that you can actually shut something like this down?Whether it's politically the right or the wrong thing to do, I was less concerned with, it's just, when we ran a set CDN back in the early two thousands, there were these sites that like, Interpol would show up, every couple of months asking to take it down and whatever, and they would just pop up somewhere else going for, and so in this day and age, especially with crypto, the fact that you actually could cancel something means that like it's time to rethink.The stack not by the way, because of any political agenda, positive or negative. It's just like infrastructure is meant to be ubiquitous in everywhere. And this is just, I think either a failure of imagination on the case of partner, or maybe we've gotten to a place where infrastructure, isn't what it used to be.And that's David Ulevitch: [00:32:35] exactly right. That's exactly right. There's still room for innovation Open Source is becoming Irrelevant [00:32:38]Martin Casado: [00:32:38] Let's talk opensource. I actually, so I have a bit of a, I think I'm a contrarian position on opensource. Ben, it'd be great. If you could backstop me on this one or contradicting or contradictory. Sorry.Here's the thing. For those that are listening, what is open source? So open source has been around for quite a while. It's the idea that, if you're writing code, the code should be, visible for. For everybody so they can look whether it's, to modify it, to build a community around it, to make sure that, it's correct to to address bugs, et cetera. This is a massive movement and, there's just been a lot of, focus on open source as the way to build these businesses. Yeah I can't help, but think that actually opensource. Is actually becoming a little bit irrelevant and not for the reasons, people say meaning it's fine to build an open-source company and it's fine to have open source, but in the era of SAS, Whether it's infrastructure satisfied in the era of you're actually running a SAS service, it's not super clear the role that open-source plays.Certainly not as clear as it did say 10 years ago. So if I'm shipping you software, if that's my business model, I'm shipping you software open source is something that people can get and like download and run. And it's a great kind of go-to-market channel. You get, the actual users of the open source become your customers.But if I'm building a SAS service, even if I open source the actual functionality of it, there's so much of the operations, which is actually really hard about this stuff, that is an open source, right? If you think about AWS as an open source, there's nothing open source about it. Get hub, isn't open source snowflake, isn't open source, but these are these kind of developer focused companies that are all very huge, that, and we had this question on Twitter and I think it's a great question. Like where does the source fit? It yeah. Going forward. I actually think, listen it's still like what it used to be. However I do think it's it's diminishing and relevance because the consumption model is becoming a service and listen, David, I know you've got an opinion on this.Would love to hear that. And Ben would love to hear yours as well. David Ulevitch: [00:34:28] I'll just say mine really quickly. Cause I, my view that people are conflating multiple things here, which is, I always view SaaS as basically a way of outsourcing IT. And so when you sign up for a SaaS service, you're effectively saying, I don't want to pay somebody inside my IT organization to run something, on-prem manage it, install patches and updates.And so it's a little bit orthogonal and I agree with you that. People are paying for SaaS, whether it's open-source underneath the hood or not, they're not paying for open-source, they're paying for it basically to not have to pay to manage something themselves. And in fact, they often pay a premium for that.I think the open source angle is often I'd go to marketing. What's a marketing way to get to build awareness to give people competence in your product. But I don't think that open source. Component isn't important at all. Like I'm agreeing with you, but it's really because of the framing to me is about outsourcing it.Not about whether they're paying for software or not paying Martin Casado: [00:35:22] for something. It's just, I've just felt like there's so much industry focused on open source. And this, I have a long personal history with open source, I've funded it, I've worked on it. I think it's fantastic. It's transformed the industry.It will continue, but if you look at a new company in the infrastructure space, It's most likely they're going to monetize with a SAS service. Not all the case and if that's the case, it's just not super clear how relevant open-source it's like you can have it and it's great. And yeah, it's great from maybe a marketing community standpoint, but it's not clear to me that going forward, like this is the thing to rotate on.Ben, did you have a comment?  Ben Horowitz: [00:35:51] it's funny when you think about the history of it, right? Because the thing that made open source destroy. Closed source were these big internet services because if you were running Facebook or Google, there's no way you can take a closed source piece of infrastructure and build Facebook on it.Because if there is a bug it's way, way, not okay to be dependent on some software company to patch it and ship it to you. That's just too long, a low. And so that moved everything to the thing that made everything open source was running these big services. But when the open source became services, Themselves then the kind of value of the open source went away.And I agree with David, it became a marketing tool. It actually is. Weirdly analogy is like an industry where, but when it went to streaming, then, the song is almost more of a marketing thing for building the brand of the artist than a way to make money. And. In a way open source is more, just a branding thing for the company and not how they make money.They make money on the service. Martin Casado: [00:36:54] Yeah. I mean it just, for everybody listening, we love open source. We're huge fans of it. I'm on the board of maybe seven open-source companies and they're all great. It's just, we used to hand ring as founders and investors so much about, Oh, can you do open source and still monetize it?And we just don't worry about that anymore. If you have an open-source company, great. Don't worry about monetizing it because we know you're going to most likely monetize as a, a SAS offering. And that just doesn't count isn't cannibalized because nobody wants to operate their own infrastructure.Infra Company Margins [00:37:22]So I actually want to take this moment to dovetail a little bit into another question on Twitter. Which is another thing that we actually obsess about a lot, which is the margin question. So yeah, I feel like so many of the, so many of the the way to think about software companies, the unit economics came from the days of like shippable software, right?You're like, Oh, 80% margins. Cause you ship it and people run it. But more and more in particularly for infrastructure, like we've mentioned. Like the companies are monetized as services. I think AWS, or whatever platform, any scale Databricks. And the thing about, a service, especially in infra is, the Mo the margin structure actually can start to matter.We've been doing this internal study, hopefully it'll turn into a blog post soon, but it's interesting if you take a an average. SAS company that's built on top of the cloud. The amount of contribution that cloud has to margin to the actual cogs is significant, right? It can be like double points of margin.And as long as the company is growing, that doesn't really matter. Especially in this macro economic time or debts, basically free, like these companies that get these great valuations cause they're growing very well. But while they're doing that, whether they're taking on VC funding or. Or whatever, they're writing all of this unoptimized code, that's running on these clouds.And then let's assume that at some point in time, the growth slows down then margin really starts to matter. And if you've got multiple points of margin, Like the impact to the market cap of the company is significant. So let's say you've got a $20 billion company that's doing this.The difference in 10 points of margin could be, billions of dollars in market cap. And when, and then, so you hit these very interesting situations where it totally made sense to use the public cloud early on hundred percent because you're growing very quickly. Then let's say, you saturate your market and you go public or whatever, then you slow down.Then all of a sudden, like it's hard to pay that margin tax. And then when you have actually pretty good arguments for repatriating like Dropbox, did you basically say, listen, it will never make sense from a cashflow perspective to build a data center, but this is probably 10 billion of dollars of market cap that we can save.Oh, sorry. I'm just, David wants to do a question. Oh yeah. So maybe, yeah. Yeah. So let me explain a little better. What I mean by this, which is if you're offering a SAS service. And let's say you're running it on AWS or you're running on the cloud. And let's assume that you're doing some level of compute while you're doing it.Like you're paying AWS. So you actually have a co like a cogs cost, like a cost of goods. So to bring on a new customer, it's expensive. On your AWS bill, for example, that hits your balance sheet as margins. And when you're a growth company, when you're invested like, by David or Ben or myself and your invest, when you're being investigated by a VC, you don't really worry about that as much because you're growing very fast and you're mostly valued on growth, but as soon as growth slows.It really matters and there's probably, tens of billions of dollars right now, trapped in kind of cloud margins. It's something that we're very focused on. And so I don't think that we fully rationalized how much margins are going to play a role going forward, but you have to believe with all these SAS companies, IPO, knowing that there's going to be a reckoning and Ben, I know, you've been watching the data space as well.There's been a lot of discussions around margin. I'm wondering if you think is there a big reckoning coming where this has to be reconciled? Can we just grow forever? Is this like a non-issue. Ben Horowitz: [00:40:34] I think that, it's funny, the data space is a little bit special with regards to your ability to get out of the monster clouds because of the data gravity problem in that let's say you're an analytics company, you have to be proximate to the data because the thing that's more expensive than the regular, storage and compute is bandwidth.And specifically been with. Out of the cloud. So if you are an analytics tool and you have your own data center and you're talking to say Databricks or snowflake or Redshift and another cloud that's going to be a very expensive proposition for your customers to move that data across. Whereas moving data within a cloud of course is nothing.So I think that's a special case, but I do think that. On the other hand for things that don't necessarily interact with a lot of other kind of components in the cloud yeah, like it's real, it is a gigantic amount of money at scale. So I do think that's going to. FIA thing for certain companies.Here's Martin Casado: [00:41:30] this thing I'm just kidding, just from an industry standpoint. And here's what I'm curious on. We're in this very special macro economic time where debt is very cheap, right? And the public markets are valuing. Companies based on growth. And then of course, on the private markets, we value companies a lot on growth because it's so hard to even calculate margin.It's just so early, and they're just mature. And so let's assume that there's this whole cohort of companies in the last five years that are funded by VCs. They get to scale, they go public, they all have great growth and then they start to slow down and then you find that.There's you know, 10 points of margin plus captured, by the cloud, this could be hundreds of billions of dollars of market cap, I just wonder if there's going to be a reckoning here. And does that mean that we're going to see a layer that optimizes that? Are we going to see repatriation or, it's a very open question in my mind.Ben Horowitz: [00:42:21] And so what is the thing that causes debt not to be cheapest? Also, that's a macroeconomic question. These countries are printing money, like crazy good. It would basically destroy the country to raise interest rates now. It's a very. Dangerous given how much money we owe, but Martin Casado: [00:42:39] I feel so much, it's an odd thing to say, but I feel so much of the current state of infrastructure is being dictated by exactly this, which is, it's a weird thing.It's basically yeah. We're printing money. And a lot of it's going to AWS because we don't care about margins. That's basically the collection of it because we're just focused on growth. Uh, but if the growth slows and or infrastructure interest rates go up, I do feel we're going to have Like a significant portion of the economy is going to be trapped in this layer.And I think it's very interesting to see whether, we can dig our way out of it. Are we going to see optimization companies? Are we going to see repatriation? This is going to blow up infrastructure yet again. I don't really know the answer. David Ulevitch: [00:43:14] I don't know the answer either, Martin. One thing I think people underestimate is that there is a level of competition in the infrastructure space and people forget that pretty, but it's easy. It's easy to actually remember it when you need to. So I think most of us who are on boards have gotten an email at one point or another from a company that we've invested in.It says, Hey, great news. We found out about these things called reserved instances. And all of a sudden we've lowered our Amazon bill by 25%. We're saving millions of dollars a month. And you're like, great. You figured this out now. It's fine. It's good. But the same thing happens when they say, wait a minute, we just got an incentive to move to Azure and we can save 30% on our bill.'cause like to use the Bezos quote, " your margin is my opportunity" that will eventually get used against all the major cloud players. And even the old school providers, like the Equinixes of the world are now starting to offer more and more sort of dynamic like services elastic like services.And I think that the margin issues and tends to solve as there's contraction in the market. And that people find ways, whether it's an overlay tools, the pride optimization, and as the virtualization to us continue to get better and better. You're just going to see more and more people be able to move more nimbly and that'll push pricing down.Martin Casado: [00:44:26] I think. I'm going to take the, I'm going to take the counterpoint on that, which I think is totally reasonable. A reasonable thing to say is it's not an issue right now. And once it becomes an issue, like we can move workloads around or optimize here's okay. Listen, you're all you all are hearing it now.Here's my prediction, which is there's so much money at stake. I think fractions of, a trillion dollars, right? So much money. If the macro economic environment changes that we're going to see a thermonuclear detonation on the cloud, it's just going to be like, Holy shit. We've got just, so much money in market cap trapped on this layer.And yes, we could do these 20% optimizations, but Oh, by the way, if I have a. Focused. If I built my own data center, for example, I can drop it by a factor of 10 and we're going to see just like the cloud kind of decimated PCs. I think there's a chance that we see it moving back. Who knows, but I do think we're talking of numbers of that size, right?David Ulevitch: [00:45:15] Yeah, but I'm okay with people building their own data centers. We, when you and I were having that discussion about parlor and infrastructure, I think that the more structure we have out there and the more choices, the better Martin Casado: [00:45:25] that was good, every section stays relevant.David Ulevitch: [00:45:27] There's a related point, Martine that in the discussion of sort of margin, which is that. Usually the cost of the company is incurring to run. Their service is not at all related to the way they price their offering. In fact, usually in the in fact, the best companies don't connect those things at all, because usually the customer has some axes of pricing that might be users or storage, but the actual cost of the service might be based on compute cycles or processes or something else.And th that's actually, I think where companies need to be a little bit more in tune with what their actual costs are and what the incremental cost of a customer is, and that they can certainly do independent of the macro environment. Martin Casado: [00:46:05] I dunno. I just think everybody talks about technical debt and we're like, Oh, it's bad  but like it's all fun and games until it's a $200 billion problem. And somebody looks like, literally somebody looks at the, like the U S economy. And it was like, Oh my God. Again, like some percentage of market cap is being owned by AWS or whatever.And then I think that people get very motivated to make big dramatic changes. And we'll just see. 

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Be sure to connect with Anthony over at his website here: https://www.anthonymeindl.com/ Brandon Handley 0:00 4321 Hey there spiritual dope I am on today with Anthony mondo. He is an award winning director, writer, actor, acting coach, entrepreneur, author and inspirational speaker. As an acting teacher. He's known for revolutionising a more modern understanding of acting training. He found it Anthony mine does actor workshop in 1998 and now has the largest scene studio study studio in Los Angeles and locations and nine other cities around the world, New York, London, Vancouver, Toronto, Atlanta, Santa Fe, Sydney, Chicago and Cape Town. As a filmmaker Anthony has received a number of awards and acclaim. His latest feature film, where do we go from here is available on Hulu. The film premiered at outfest won Best Screenplay award at q films Long Beach and the Jury Award at nycs East Village queer Film Festival. He's the author of five books, including the bestsellers at left brain turn right and book the fucking job. his memoir, you knew when you were to release in September, which I got? Yeah, that's how we connected. And thanks for being here. I'm super excited. Anthony Meindl 1:09 Yeah, my gosh, I was like gonna fall asleep during that intro Jesus. My Suppose, Brandon Handley 1:17 you know, I had to cut some things out. I was like, I was like, is this gonna I wanted to include though your I wanted to include? For sure your you know your film, right? Because I think that's, that's pretty big. Right. And that's got to feel good. Especially going through your memoir, it's got to feel really good for you to have that out and have won those awards. So yeah, thanks for being here. Anthony Meindl 1:38 Well, thanks for having me, Brandon. Like, I mean, I don't know how spiritually dope I'm going to be today. But I will try to be my dopest. And we'll Brandon Handley 1:45 find out we'll find out. Yeah, so how I like to start these right is, you know, universe speaks to us, right. And this podcast amplifies what we're saying. And there's gonna be one specific listener out there today, that's going to hear the message coming from you. That's through source. What is it? Anthony Meindl 2:08 What's the message? Yeah. You know, I think acceptance is really a very strong word. And really is to me, the walk, we're all walking on life, right? Like, because in life, because at the end of the day, there's nothing else right? Even if we fight against, like, we can use COVID as an example, even if we fight against COVID it is what it is. And it's here. And, you know, if everybody looks at their own journey, the things that they've maybe railed against, or fought against, is oftentimes like a misuse of energy because, or maybe it's necessary then to get to that place of surrender, or acceptance or letting go or, you know, so I think that the, the point that life is often trying to show us is how do we exist with what is and fighting against it is what causes a lot of suffering. When I'm not, you know, when I teach, or I talk about these things, I'm not saying I'm the master of it. I mean, I definitely know these things, more than just being concepts. I do practice them in my life, but I get triggered and challenged. And it's it is also what it is, you know, I went for a walk yesterday, and I heard a little girl, she was like, near her fence, and she just shouted, Let it go, let it go. And I was like, Oh, my God, this is a sign from the universe because I was in my head about stuff. And I was like, This, is it accepting and letting go letting these burdens go? They're a burden, because we make them so often, you know what I mean? Brandon Handley 3:42 Absolutely not. I love it. Right. So acceptance and surrender, I think are some of the big ones there. And the idea of COVID is here, right? Like this is this is what are you going to do about it? Right? And if you don't have an impact, like, if you can't impact it, then just just let it be. Right. So let's, let's dig in to your, well, you know, what, actually, to it reminds me of one of the lines in your books to write of the I guess there was some, you know, spiritual master, who was a master, but he's like, I don't want to die. Right, right. Like and so just like you're saying, like, even even though you are, you know, novice Dave itches, right? Like, hey, you know, everybody's fine. And I feel good, but there's still gonna be the days that you get angered. So talk to us a little bit about that. So knowing that, you know, all these things, but still feeling these other feelings. Anthony Meindl 4:36 Yeah, you know, also burning Can I just I want to say one other thing about acceptance, because sometimes when people hear that they might mistake. The first meaning of that to them might mean Oh, well, that just means we're supposed to accept injustice or accept. You know, people dying of COVID No, no, no, it's not about inactivity. It's not About inaction. It's not about pretending that something isn't there. It's really about having this awareness that I think the point about acceptance is we have these constructs in our mind constantly about what we think life should be. And in particular what our lives should be, when I get married, it will be this, when I get successful, it will be that or today, I should be having this because I want blah, blah, blah. And then when that doesn't happen, it creates so much strife and internal and sometimes external conflict, right. And so a more Buddhist understanding of acceptance, when I say that word is understanding that this is what it is. And then from this point, how do we invite that thing in to be a part of something that we also have to deal with? Because it's happening? I actually think it's the rejection of things that cause us to be in so much pain, right? Like, whether it's the social justice movement, or things that we climate change, things that we have not addressed, eventually are going to make us contend with these things. So I just want to make sure that acceptance doesn't mean like, pass this pass entity. And I think that also leads to the question just asked is, like, I think, I think we battle our ego. And I think that ego is necessary. It's part of what gives us the distinction of being in this body. But we also are something other than I always love the iceberg analogy, right? Like two thirds of the iceberg is under the water that we don't see. And we only see a third of that. And so that's like, maybe comparable to ego, right? Like we were missing the the soul of the spirit that is hidden from us. And so we're operating from just what we see all the time. Brandon Handley 6:50 Well, yeah, it's funny, you bring that up? Because that's it exactly. I think I had this conversation twice, yesterday, once with my wife and another with a client. Just the whole iceberg analogy. I mean, one part, right, you don't see all the all the struggle that goes into what's on the exterior. Also, you know, the reverse thing being happiness precedes happiness. Right? So like, what's inside here? shows up outside there, right? But from the outside, say, you're looking at me, and you're like, you know, he's got all the things. And he did it by those actions. But that's not really it wasn't those actions. It was like the intention behind those actions. It was, you know, the thoughts and the feelings, right? That kind of built up to all those. But I love I love though, you know, acceptance is not passive, right? acceptance is, like you're saying invited in. And I also like, the idea of the the things that we're pushing away are kind of taking all the energy away from us, right? Have you? What's your take on Shadow Work? Have you done Shadow Work is that something is running with? Anthony Meindl 8:05 interesting that you say that? Because I, in my teaching of actors, right? I I've often talked about the shadow self. And I've given many lessons on like, light and, and shadow and, and without going into too much detail. But somebody wants to do some time came up to me and said, Do you do Carl young? Is it young work that you do, you know, young Ian work? And I was like, No, I've never I mean, I've been to therapy. And I've read Carl Jung, but I don't really remember it. Right. And, and she said, because this is very young in what you're doing. It's all he was all about shadows, the shadow self. And, and so I mean, not consciously, you know, I think I tap into the universal pneus of things when I teach, like, a lot of people are like, were you ever in a and I was like, I wasn't I'm not I don't drink, you know, but like, I definitely tap into the principles of sort of, I think, these universal spiritual messages. And, but I mean, I think that's a great segue that we all are channelers at some level, and that the universal principles are alive within all of us. And they're, you know, encoded in us. And they're also decoded, if that's the right word, like, each person interprets the information differently. And I think, again, to have a practice that helps us have access to that more often is kind of part of being here on the planet. Brandon Handley 9:31 What's your biggest one acting or do you have something else? Right? Anthony Meindl 9:34 No, it's interesting, because when I when I work with actors, Brandon, I definitely feel like I channel like I go to I mean, that's it's such a, whatever that word means to people, but I definitely am. So in the moment. I don't know what I say. Oftentimes, like today I was coaching somebody and he could see here I just, he was like, Oh my god, you got to write that down. I was like, I don't know what I said that he would tell Really good. Because I was like, it's brilliant. Because I don't think I'm saying it's right. And the person meeting the moment and me with them observing it gives the insight as to how to unlock the person. And so that is a lot of shadow stuff, too, is like, I do think it's scary. But I think COVID is a great reminder, going into the underbelly of stuff that is very scary and confrontational is necessary for us to get to the other side of what is our purpose? Why are we here? What is this mean? Who are we like, but but if we, if we continue to go on living, like I think, especially as we had been, I think we're, we're really asleep at the wheel. You know, what I mean? Brandon Handley 10:47 Not 100%, I, you know, I hate to say that, you know, with with all the deaths, and all the lock downs and how life is, is a good thing. But like, it's also been kind of this good thing, where now we've got more people who are taking this time to go inside to really take stock of what's important to them, right? The example I use all the time, my wife quit her job, so that we could, you know, homeschool our children so that they weren't exposed to, you know, the possibility, right. And, and there's no need to live in fear. But like, why subject yourself to that possibility when there's an alternative? Right. And and what it's done for us is, bring us closer together as a family really see? What had been put on us x from the exterior, right, and like, so we're doing this from the inside out. Anyway. So, you know, it's been a good thing. And sometimes it's hard to see that right in the middle of it. Right? Anthony Meindl 11:48 Well, when you're in it, for sure. Right? That's comparable to when you're going through a divorce or a breakup or something tragic is happening, and, and you have to hold on, like, I'm always saying, you gotta hold on for dear life while letting go at the same time. Right? It's both. And, and and then I think when you get to the other side, you you are like, Oh, my god that was so essential and necessary. And I think what you're speaking of is absolutely correct. I think, yes. You don't want people to suffer and you don't want, you know, so many lives that were lost. And we also understand that to be from a governmental place, not having things in order, like they could have been like a lot of these deaths could have been prevented. But beyond that, I think I find it interesting that the universe is always course correcting that maybe not at this epic scale that we're experiencing right now. But like an individual experience, like you often find, like tragedy or upset occurs in our lives to wake us up to this other life. Yeah, you know, Brandon Handley 12:51 yeah. 100% So, again, thanks. Thanks for sending me the book, right. Oh, yeah. I love that. I love I love that got the where's it so i got i love that. And, and I really enjoyed, you know, kind of gone through I had no idea what to expect. Right. And, and are to let you know, like, there's so many pieces of it really, really touched me. Right. Just kind of, especially the piece like about your father, even at the beginning. Like there was some great laughs right, like, you getting shoved down the laundry chute. Yeah, I don't want to give too much away. I don't want it too many spoilers, Anthony Meindl 13:26 right. boiler I survived it. Unknown Speaker 13:31 Yeah, right. Brandon Handley 13:32 The there was a lot of fun takeaways. Lots of underlining lots of just kind of, you know, gone through it. And just the way you told the story was a lot of fun. Right? And it wasn't it wasn't, it wasn't boring. Like it was fun, right? And it was it was genuine. And you could tell that it was like 100% you. And so I just want to share that with you because I haven't written an Amazon thing yet. So I'll just have to go back and type this out. Anthony Meindl 14:04 The best review you give me on Amazon was it wasn't boring. Brandon Handley 14:09 Just didn't suck Unknown Speaker 14:11 the way Brandon Handley 14:14 so let's talk a little bit about how you know you went from you've got a couple other you know, bestsellers and you're you know, doing acting and what makes you want to become a writer and then what led you up to saying, hey, now's the time for a memoir. Anthony Meindl 14:28 I know like I do feel I do you have a birthday coming up next week. I feel pretty young to have a memoir. But I you know, I guess we call it a memoir, but it's more short stories of my life. And like, you know, I maintain one of my biggest principles in my teaching for all creatives is that we all have a story. And that story of our life is the greatest expression of art, you know, waiting to be shared with the world. And it manifests differently for each person, right? It could be you're a cook in New York City. Or you're a ballerina, you're an actor, you're a writer, or whatever. And I think the, the interesting thing is the things that we have experienced in our life, at a literal level, and then at an artistic level, are are all essential on the journey of our life. And it's like what you just said, when you're in it, sometimes it's really difficult to see it. But if you look back at the Mosaic, or the jigsaw puzzle of your life, and pieces starting to come together, you see themes, right. And I just for me, in my work with with artists is trying to take that autobiography out into the world in on whatever Canvas, they want to, you know, share it. And for me, it comes in many forms, whether it's the films I'm making, or the writing I'm doing or teaching or acting myself, or, you know, but I think we do do that unconsciously. I'm just trying to, you know, how you engage with the world is a part of your autobiography, it's been influenced by the things that Brandon has experienced how you and your wife make a dinner together. I know, it sounds so highfalutin, but it's not it's really infused with who we are. And I think we and, and I'm not saying these tasks aren't also sometimes mundane. You know, writing is sometimes really boring, and I hate it. But, but I also know that it's, it's purposeful. And so that's what I try to teach people is how to honor their autobiography. Because so many people Brendan, I think your listeners and and like you were saying earlier about people that you know, see the external or we don't, especially in our media obsessed culture, we see somebody who is successful. And we don't, we are only getting like, they're, you know, they're they're opening night, we don't see the dress rehearsal. So we're comparing our lives that we often think is like a train wreck to something that's presented to us as law. And we then then we link, I think, do a snow job on ourselves thinking, I suck, I'm untalented, I'm stupid, I'm not worthy. My story, nobody cares. And that's when I think we, we lose sort of the, I don't know, connection to the magic of our autobiography. We cannot compare. That's just the problem. Brandon Handley 17:19 Right? Right. Well, it's, it's the whole idea and is the cliche, life is what you make it right. Like when you're talking about, hey, when you come into the kitchen, and you're and you're cooking with somebody else, then it, it can be an amazing moment. You can make that a miraculous moment. Or it can be right or it can be like, right, yeah. And so, but in the end there, too, what you're talking about in my mind, right? I love to like, you know, make you purposeful, and living your biography. But you get to this point where you start to, you're like you're talking about why would anybody want to read my thing? Why would anybody want to participate? You're making yourself small in that moment, right? Yeah. And that doesn't serve anybody. Right? Like, where I didn't really find in your memoir, and maybe it's because reading too fast, but I don't really find the space where you decided that acting was kind of like your purpose. And you felt like you needed to be on the stage to share all of who you were. So where was that? Anthony Meindl 18:27 I mean, I maybe, you know, in this, I'm writing other stuff. You know, maybe I will revisit that. Like, I'm just curious. Yeah, no, no, it's a great question. I, because I remember distinctly, I remember hat going out for dinner with my parents and telling them I wanted to be an actor. And, you know, they were like, Huh, but then they were like, Okay, my dad again was like, if that's what you want to do, you know, he was like, go and do it. You know, they've always been really supportive. But I think, I guess in answer to that question, I just have always felt like not an entertainer, but like an expresser. of, of things. And I feel even more than being an actor. I've always been a teacher. Like if I go back and look at my own spiritual life as a child, and like, just the things that I was interested in. I and in my role in the family, I've always been the mediator, even though I'm the youngest one. All my siblings, and my parents kind of come to me as the sort of what did they say? And you know what I need? Right? So it's interesting that I've always kind of, and I was always obsessed, you're too young to know this but all your lives nobody will know this. But when I was in high school, I took this class call. It's so it's so hilarious. Anyway, it was called I, oh, gosh, I think I can or something like it was I can't No, it was called. I can clap. Oh, wow. I hadn't thought about this forever. And it was written by it was a class about having a positive mental attitude about life. And it was the teachings of Zig Ziggler I love Zig. You you've heard of Zig right? I love Brandon Handley 20:03 Yeah. Yeah, I'm newer. Anthony Meindl 20:05 Right? And so born to win. Yes. I will never forget, I was in the 10th grade. And I took I took the class because like, it was a pass fail. And it was I could get out of math and take that class. Right. But something deeper must have made me want to take it. And since then, I've always been obsessed with this sort of, yeah, dawning consciousness of what it means to think our way into the world, you know, not mind over matter. Its mind into matter. You know what I mean? I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Brandon Handley 20:42 I love that. The Zig Zig has a lot of fun. Right. And and I think that he was, he was kind of before his time. Oh, right. In this space, yeah. And this face. And he's actually, that's actually probably how we're talking today to be to be quite honest with you. So it was through a book of his that I read and ended up down this this path. Anthony Meindl 21:07 Oh, see? Yeah, that's, that's funny. It's interesting that you start to find these, you know, connective tissues throughout our lives. Right. And you're right, yeah. That the whole wellness movement and meditation movement, and he was one of the original thought, you know, forward thinking people about, you know, how to live our best life. It's interesting. Yeah. Brandon Handley 21:31 Yeah. So the, the, the, a lot of the a lot of this podcast is based off of, you know, finding your spirituality, right, how you found your spirituality, and how have you leveraged that, like, for your success, or found a more fulfilling life because of it? Right. So why don't we talk a little bit about how you, you know, became the spiritual guy? Anthony Meindl 21:54 Well, you know, I also, I think it's a great moment, Brendon, to tell people like, our spirit is innate. Like, it's, I think, I think, again, with social media and like anything, if we, sometimes when I like, will watch somebody talking about spirituality in a certain way that I like, I sometimes I find it challenging because it can, again, create this sort of schism in ourselves thinking, we're not doing spirituality the right way, or I don't always feel love for God, or mean, or I want to just say, fuck you, you know what I mean? Right, right, right. Oh, that's all that's the real spirit. The real stuff is right. With it, and we our culture, loves to live in this sort of, like, you know, they call it on social media like oh my god, something positivity, like toxic positivity. Yeah, there's Brandon Handley 22:53 that there's that I've got. I've got answers for that, though. Okay, but well, so my answer for the there Yes, there is. Toxic positivity. That's the, you know, like you were talking about earlier, in the acceptance piece is just like, oh, not taking action, right? Same, same thing. But positivity doesn't mean like, hey, everything's fucking great. Positivity simply means we're moving forward, there is a positive space here was like, all this shit just went down. Guess what? We're gonna keep moving through it. Right? And, and the thing that you're talking about here is not in my mind. It's like, the genesis of spiritual dope is that spirituality is gritty, right? Like, there is a certain like, element of, you know, you are washed up, beat up, dried off, and you are coming back together, like kind of, you know, hopefully stronger than you were before, or whatever. But like, you get to it, you get through a certain point in a degree. It doesn't have to be like that. But then here's what happens. people forgot like, who they were, like, you know, maybe two months ago, right? Like, you were the person like two months ago, like, you know, I don't know what I see some I saw somebody like saying, Hey, you know, we used to, I used to, you know, do cocaine and ecstasy and lick like, whatever off my wife's nipples or whatever. Now we're getting mad at each other because I lied to the dog was a meme that I saw. Yeah. So spirituality is just that they're like, you forget, like, where you came from? You're like, hey, yeah, you know, you did all those fucking things. And you were, nobody's saying or even. Not a mess now. Right? But you've got like, I love the moment. So share the moment where you truly, at least in the book, right, you connected like with spirituality right before a book fell on you. Anthony Meindl 24:35 Yeah, I think like what we're talking about, of like, you know, grappling with, again, the questions why we're here. How do we, how do I make meaning of this life? And there's got to be something more right. And I was always searching with those things. And the shorts or I had an acting teacher who asked me Do I meditate after a scene one time and I was like, No, and she's like, and I literally had, like, No, I mean, grapple with these things. But I didn't have an outward process or practice of spirituality, right? She's like, I want you to start meditating. And I was like, how and she's like, I don't know, take a candle do what you ever want. So I started with, you know, I was just like, oh, and I was like, This is so boring. Then my friend but that's this is the funny thing is when you know, the pupil is ready that the the guru appears kind of thing. So weirdly enough, my friend gave me a book around that time, and up until then, he knew him to be very spiritual, but he'd never really know engaged with me maybe that way. So he gave me this book by paramahansa Yogananda. And I was like, What's this? It's like, 500 pages. This is way too long and boring. And I was like, Okay, thank you. And I put it away, cut to I moved to LA and I took that book and everything for I was living in New York City at the time, right? When I moved to LA, and I was like, in my place, my apartment at the time, like three or four months. And I was I literally, that book fell off the shelf. And it's weird, because it wasn't even it was in the back of my shelf. I don't even know how it happened because it was buried with books. Like, I'm never gonna read this. It's never, and I picked it up. And in that moment, I was ready to read it. And I read it. And I was like, Oh, my God, what's happening to me? Right, and it was just an awakening and opening an aha, like, my heart was very full. And I talked about it in the book. Like, I felt a tremendous amount of love that I it was, like a real thing. And then it disappeared. I was like, Oh, my gosh, how do you get that again? Brandon Handley 26:40 Right. Right. Right. Okay, so I so 100% that I identified with that so hard, because I went through a similar experience. Right. And, and, and, and so it was great. It's always great when you're like, Hey, I'm not the only one. Right. Right. And then and then the other thing that I found very interesting was, I haven't read that book yet. But I just watched a just watched a documentary on him. Anthony Meindl 27:10 The Netflix documentary? Yeah. Brandon Handley 27:14 Yeah, it was one of them. Right? Like Netflix, or Gaia or whatever. You know, Anthony Meindl 27:19 it's called, um, you're the name of it. Not into the light. Brandon Handley 27:27 I don't remember the name of it. Anthony Meindl 27:28 Okay. But but it's worth watching. It's a beautiful documentary. Brandon Handley 27:32 It was really yeah. So it was really well done. But you know, so the my biggest takeaway, though, was wasn't just about him. And it was so awesome. Right? was super cool. Was that Steve Jobs left that book behind. Right, his funeral. That's right. So Andy, and like, you know, since we're in this synchronistic kind of space, right, I've read I wrote an article on just that. This past week. And that was like, the day before I read that chapter. I was like, shop. So and, and and so So did you move out there then? And have you been to the US and our house? Anthony Meindl 28:07 Yep. So I went to Yeah, I've done every I mean, I went to India and I spent time in one of his ashrams there, and like, you know, I wasn't really I didn't convert to like, Guru is, um, you know, I've been very cautious about, you know, because you you read, or you watch documentaries about major cults, and you're like, Oh, my God, that could have been me, you know, it's like, I'm always like, Oh, my God, by grace. And and I'm not judging these people, because they come to that aspect with such an open heart and these things that we're talking about seeking and wanting to know more and but, you know, with Yogananda was very practical. It was like, there is a way out of this suffering. Just do your practice, get over it. Like, it's really, you meditate, you get your butt in the chair, and you do it. And I'll say to the great thing about when people come to me and ask about Yogananda, or about any kind of meditation, what I always advocate because he says this, and I found it to be true for myself. After I read that book. I did not I didn't just sort of go to him only I it opened me to I did have a passionate retreat. You know, I did everything I did. I Alaska, I went on the journey of finding what felt right for me. I went to India a couple times. And so I think when somebody is is open, then you just have to I did tm, like I did, you know, you try many different things, and then you'll find, like, what feels right. So that's been and it changes and it can change, you know? Brandon Handley 29:44 Yeah, no, absolutely. I agreed, right? It, it speaks to resonance. And I hate I hate I hate resonating with anything but it's the truth, right, like you'll find you'll find exactly the kind of, this is the space you should be in right now. And this resonating with me the strikes a chord my body's like, it feels this feels amazing. Unknown Speaker 30:05 Right? Right. Right. Yeah. Brandon Handley 30:06 So the I wasco was was actually pretty funny too Unknown Speaker 30:12 loud. Yeah. It's funny. Brandon Handley 30:14 I mean, tell us tell us a little bit about like, I mean, would you recommend somebody who's a seeker? Does the same trip that you did like down down to? Where do you head down to? I Anthony Meindl 30:24 think, yes, I did it in Brazil. Also, I have a good friend, who also teaches with me, she did it in Peru A number of years ago. But you know, it's interesting reading because this was way before I Alaska has become what it's become, like, I don't know which coast you're on or where you are. But I'm on the west coast and like, they're, they do Iosco ceremonies here, technically, illegally, like, all the time, it's become very, I think it's great. Like, why not, however, comma, you know, I think it you kind of, and I'm not a purist about everything, because everything changes and to have access to ceremony. And to that wisdom is great, right. But I do think, for me, I was going through a horrible breakup, and it was in a lot of pain, in a way I had never experienced and my friend recommended. So this was only got 2008. So how many years ago is that? Right? So 12 years ago, 13 years ago, and I, I just I literally she told me about it, I went online to the place, she said, I booked it without even knowing what it was. And then I did a deep dive into what it was. And I was like, Oh, my God, and I was like, I gotta get my money back. So I could literally call the guy and I was like, um, you know, and I don't think this is my thing. He talked me off the ledge. I'm glad he did. Right. And then I went there. And I had this whole amazing experience of being in nature and the shaman was from that area. And so I think there's something to be said about doing it. You know, it's like anything like going to India? You can't find anything that replaces India except the experience of India. Right. Right. Brandon Handley 32:06 Yeah. Yeah. So it's just diminishes the kind of the truth of it, Anthony Meindl 32:12 maybe, yeah, maybe. And I know that there's, I'm sure there's some great healers and and, and teachers of Iosco that have moved to LA or whatever. And so it's fine. Just I want people to make sure that they know, you know, just make sure you know, the source, that's all. Brandon Handley 32:27 Yeah, no doubt, no doubt, right. Definitely, you definitely don't want to take away from it. So how do you feel then? You know, when, when you went through, like kind of this and awakening process, right, there's about the same time that you started your school? Right, is around that? Well, Anthony Meindl 32:46 yeah. I mean, I started my school, literally, around the time that book fell off my shelf. So in 1998, Unknown Speaker 32:53 yeah. So, Anthony Meindl 32:54 I mean, I've been teaching, you know, prior to them, but it really kind of coalesced there. And I just, I felt a very strong message to at the time. Now, when I look back, I was not, I don't want to say ahead of my time, I was in the right place at the right time, because the message that I was teaching was all kind of like conscious awareness through our work. And it was very spiritual and very much about presence essence, the moment, The Power of Now, all of those things before they've become so much, you know, they're, they're so cultural now. But I and I was kind of like an outcast at first, because it was very Mooney, still in the 90s in the early 2000s, you know, what I mean? And now that work, the work has caught up with itself. And I am very blessed to have been teaching this for 25 years, because I do find that this is, this is where we are heading, you know, you know, well, I think culturally look at this is a great conversation we're having you have a podcast called spiritual dope, you know, like, I teach from a very spiritual place and, and there's no shame around using the word soul or spirit or consciousness as our real and it's hard to I also think it used to get a bum rap, but it was so like a llama dama ding dong, and like airy fairy, it's science. Now we know what our brain does. When we meditate. We know what happens when we reduce stress levels and reduce cortisol release from our body, you know what it means? So it's, it's those things that were fringe during Steve Jobs time, right, right, are are not fringe anymore. And to have a language around it is it's a real thing. So it's exciting. Brandon Handley 34:36 It absolutely is very exciting. What do you think the future of it is for us in this area? Anthony Meindl 34:43 Well, you know, I'm sure. You know, every prognosticator has so many things to say about 2020 and 2021. And I'm like, Jesus, I mean, Brendon, here's my thought about I Oh, I'm feeling like I'm gonna cry. I do cry a lot. Don't worry. It's just tears of joy. I do feel I don't know. That's the first thing. Nobody fucking knows camera should Unknown Speaker 35:06 say that. Yeah, you're right. Anthony Meindl 35:08 Maybe maybe a guru in India knows but I don't know, I think Unknown Speaker 35:13 my Anthony Meindl 35:15 where I take some sort of have peace I read this book during COVID or a couple months back called, oh my god, it's called kindred and it's about our Neanderthal on Neanderthal cousins, right? And just what the planet was like, during their time and how they were not these brutish, you know, brutes, you know, unsophisticated and uncultured. And they were actually, like, I don't know, quite advanced, really, you know what I mean. And, to me, it was a watershed moment, in a way because I, I kept thinking about during there, and I wrote a piece about this recently, but how during their time, there was no an early homosapiens, there was, there was no destination. Being on this planet, there was no ending to get to all of life was only journeying. And we still in our DNA, we are journey men and women, we are nomads, right? It is in our, our system to want to travel and to keep migrating, right. And I think for me, reading that book made me Just think about the the constant journey that we're all on. It's an and I guess my point, sorry, I was gonna say was like, they wouldn't have even known what the word destination was, because it was all journeying. And it was all uncertainty. And that, to me, is so powerful to live in that place. Because we as a modern culture, because of the modern conveniences that we've become sort of asleep, because of we have fallen asleep to the truth that we are still in uncertainty, we are still in the unknown, we are still on the great journey. I don't care that you can go to the target and buy yourself, you know, underwear for $9 it you at Target isn't a real thing in the big scheme of things. What's target you're aiming? Like we're journeying? Yeah. And there's you you we have successes and milestones. And those are all things to be celebrated. And I love that we have technology that that creates so many things for us. And yet, we don't want to lose sight of the journey. Brandon Handley 37:44 Yeah, no, I love I love the idea to have, you know, it's it's all uncertainty, right? and always has been, always has been, and you know, COVID prove that out. Right? Like COVID is like, Hey, Unknown Speaker 37:57 hello. Yeah. Anthony Meindl 37:59 On a rock spinning in the middle of dark matter. Brandon Handley 38:03 Right, right. Yeah, good luck, guys. Uh, and, and the idea to, you know, when you're talking about, like, all these things that are being mass produced, you know, getting something from Target that's being mechanically produced, it just kind of makes me think a little bit to have the experience, right, like, you can go I can maybe I can go out to LA maybe find somebody like, you know, off the streets and and, and, you know, have that iOS experience. But am I gonna have to deal with fucking snakes? Am I gonna have to drop off like, you know, go through a couple plane hops go to the river, you know, deal with the tarantula and all that other shit? No. And I mean, there's, there's something lost in in that actual journey. Like, if it's super accessible. Yes, the joy in that, like, you know what I mean, it kind of diminishes the I don't know, it. Well, Anthony Meindl 38:51 that speaks to our disconnect from journeying. The, the uncertainty that is the truth about existence, being too reliant on like, our phones and things and buildings, and like what we've become accustomed to right. And also, I think it speaks to the biggest challenge we're facing is, is our disconnect from nature. And so that's again, we're part of that that's, that's an impulse and a pulse inside us. And I think we're at to our detriment, we're seeing how we have separated ourselves from this matrix, if you will, the nature matrix, and that that's one thing that I think people are not aware of. The planet will be fine. Yeah, it will, again, turn into another been six or five other mass extinctions and it will turn into something else. Right, you know, but it's interesting to really think about Wow, we've made the thing that isn't real real. Brandon Handley 39:54 That's fair. That's fair. I enjoyed your your what you took the piece of Want to pay you to the toilet paper roll? And you did that? Oh, you saw that? Yeah. How long? How long have we been here? We're like, you know? Like, not even nothing, Unknown Speaker 40:07 right? Nothing, right? Brandon Handley 40:09 I'm pretty sure the dinosaurs weren't like, hey, they'll never get rid of us. Right? Anthony Meindl 40:13 And then in a flash were gone. Right? Isn't it crazy? Brandon Handley 40:17 Maybe they just packed up and flew off, though. Come on, we don't know nothing about him. He don't know. Don't know, we don't know. So let's talk a little bit about like, you know, how, how is acting, you know, kind of beneficial during even like COVID uncertain times or just in in a in a matter of finding yourself in flow and being able to express yourself. Tell me a little bit about that? Well, Anthony Meindl 40:42 I always say, and I guess maybe I should just march to Congress and do it myself. I wish somebody could hook me up with, you know, a congressional page or someone, I feel like I should go teach an acting class to everybody in Congress, because the art of acting is the art of empathy and compassion. And what we've lost, you know, again, it makes me really sad, is this ability to stand opposite someone we may not agree with, or be in conflict with, but still see their humanity and still, to let them in? And I think acting does that, that you that actually through conflict, you have resolution. So I think conflict is really an important. And it's, it's kind of what's evolved us, as you know, as a species as from organisms to it's not been easy for anybody or anything, you know, that to be alive on this planet is churning, constantly churning to evolve into something else. So there is going to be conflict, but conflict does not have to necessarily mean what's it's not a pejorative, I guess you know what I mean? In other words, like, I guess I heard the other day that it's, it's thinking more in terms of like, even, let's say a lion attacks a zebra, right, and kills the zebra high conflict. And it sounds like one person, one animal wins, the other doesn't. But if you then step back and see that it's all part of the system, it's actually a cooperation. It's it's like, it's all part of this thing. But I think if once we become fractured, and we don't see that opposing views are also part of a thing. That's why we are, I think, in trouble. Because it's not black or white. It's not republicans are bad. And democrats are correct. It's not. It's really about. We need both. It's Yin and Yang. You see what I'm saying? its shadow in light. Yeah. So I don't know if that answered your question. But I don't know. I did. It didn't. But I guess my point is acting is the exploration of all of that. And I think everybody should take an acting class, because you're more in tune with, I think it's the scariest thing for many, many people. I teach a very well known. WW. How many W's are there WWF? Or www f whatever? Brandon Handley 43:14 The rescue? Yeah, I think two Yeah, two dogs. Anthony Meindl 43:18 Or maybe he's a famous boxer. Lightweight by godsey is terrible. I don't know those sports. But anyway, he either you would know. And then I can tell you when we're done. But I mean, I've interviewed him for my podcast, so it's fine. I can name names, but um, but he even said he was the world lightweight champion, or whatever category class he was in. And he said, Tony, being an acting class with you was scarier than fighting for that crown. And, and I think it speaks to having to be vulnerable and exposed and to share ourselves. So that's why people should take class, Brandon Handley 43:58 to be able to connect with that right to be able to connect with themselves and and to put them out there and share that right. I think it's that sharing part that really holds a lot of people back, how's acting help, you know, helping that person get over that? Anthony Meindl 44:13 Well, I think we've become less self conscious about ourselves. And also, we have so much shame Brandon around, you know, we have so much shame around our feelings, our thoughts, behaviors, our past, the mistakes we've made people we've hurt, and again, realizing it's also part of the journey. If we're contrite, and we've learned and we've made amends. It doesn't define it's one part of a chapter, you know, it's not even a chapter, it's maybe a paragraph, you know, but I think we were in a shame based culture. Sometimes we don't have a we don't have a relationship to that stuff. That's also an important conversation to have the shadow stuff. So instead, we go underground with it, which then becomes more toxic and more painful. It leads to you know, there's no doubt That these things then lead to unhealthy expression whether that's opioid abuse or, you know, whatever, it's the toxicity it finds its way. Brandon Handley 45:12 Yeah, look, I mean, it's gonna make its way out each each thought is a seed, right? You know and and, and you know if you look at you know you you live in LA right you walk down the street cement is broken by grass seeds right that type of thing so I'm in a seat is a seat it's gonna find its own way to express itself right and you know, we're humans that's what we do we express that's we show up to express and it's really interesting how that shows up. So, di di Did you find anything writing this book about yourself that you had forgotten about? You weren't aware of? Were you able to share something through this book that you was like a major release for you just curiosity? Yeah, yeah, Anthony Meindl 45:56 I mean, I think I've always been on this journey of like, for me, I was bullied a lot. And so I think that everybody has suffered from bullying in one form or the other. Even the bullies that perpetrate the bullying are really probably victims of either their own self bullying or are scared of or threatened by the people that they bully, you know what I mean? And so nobody escapes it and and and yet, so it's caused a lot of damage, but it's also put me on this path of healing and teaching and, and also seeing that it's created my art it's really helped me have a voice and and hopefully help inspire people in finding their voice through their pain and their struggles. And, and so I think, I think for me, it's been all these things help heal. And and yeah, I had a lot of epiphanies. When my editor told me, she's like, I told her when I was in therapy, because at one time I complained to my therapist, I was like, is everything you have to do with our childhood? Oh, my God. And I had great parents, as you can probably guess, by Unknown Speaker 47:00 reading the book, like your mom Brandon Handley 47:02 says, I want to know more about your mom, though, too. Like, she just seemed like the badass. Right? Like, yeah, Anthony Meindl 47:07 yeah, she's very private, like, but but but but even having great parents. Like, it's funny, because they say having read the book, they weren't too happy at first, because they thought it depicted them as terrible parents. Wow, I was like, Oh, my God, you guys, it's a love letter to you. It just goes to show you our stuff doesn't help us see things clearly. Right? So my editor said, I want you to whatever you're talking about in therapy, when you have an image of a story that comes to you, I want you to start writing it down. I was like, Do I have to? Just like, yeah, so that's how the genesis of the book occurred. So we all have stories, Brandon, that's my point. Brandon Handley 47:48 Not I love that. I was just curious if there was like anything that really just um, you know, jumped out at you that, you know, you hadn't thought about for years or, again, was able to just you were able to just really release something. Yeah, Anthony Meindl 48:00 what can I say? I've said this, I had the guy have a lesson about it. One person's tragedy is another person's Tuesday. Because this is true. That's a good quote. I've never said that way before. I'm going to use that. But I think I have it in my book. Because my brother, one of the things that I realized is when I wrote the book, and I shared with my brothers some of the things, my brother is that an amazing human being, and we're very close. But we, you know, I was this gay, little kid that didn't even know what being gay was. And so he made fun of me, like any brothers would, you know, beat up or make fun of their younger brother. Right? Brandon Handley 48:35 Especially during that time, right? Like, that was a very nice times. Yeah, that's Anthony Meindl 48:38 right. And so I in the book, I have a really haunting story about an event that occurred with my brother, you know, making fun of me or bullying me in a way about being gay. And it affected me so much. And yet, when I shared with him about it, he's like, Oh, God, Tony. I don't even remember that. Yeah. Right. He was so apologetic. So it just made me realize, like, oh, gosh, for me carrying that around. That was like a really intense moment. And for him, it was just a Tuesday. Brandon Handley 49:12 Yeah. Yeah, but so sounds like you had an opportunity to kind of release that right. Oh, for sure. And that that was no, it's amazing when you get to release something like that. Just how much lighter you feel? Anthony Meindl 49:24 Yes, absolutely. And forgiveness and, you know, all kinds of things. Brandon Handley 49:29 So I'm gonna move it back into spirituality just for a second. Yeah, you use that for you know, that's that's basically your coaching, right? Like your coaching is your spiritual practice. You know, you've gone to India you've had chased, you know, you've done the soul searching, you've been the seeker. But without spirituality without you know, kind of developing and honing your practice. You wouldn't be as fulfilled as you are now safe to say. Anthony Meindl 49:57 I mean, it's impossible to answer random because There's only been this unfolding there is a you can't put that back in the bag. I've got a friend of mine, Brandon Handley 50:06 a friend of mine, he goes, is he could use the acronym Tina, there is no alternative. You know, but you know, if you look at, you know, I guess the kind of the pre the pre awakening and pre spiritual Tony versus, you know, novice a Tony? Unknown Speaker 50:26 Ah, Anthony Meindl 50:26 I mean, I think that they still are so interconnected. You know. And I think again, I think the thing for our your listeners is to remember that spirit abides within us whether we have a conscious relationship or dialogue with it, it's there. And it's there to be awakened whenever you're meant for it to be awakened. And so for me, it was always something that was a part of my experience, even if I didn't know how to label it. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, I Brandon Handley 50:54 agree with that. Right? Isn't? You said it a couple times. It's in a right. It's everybody. It's in everybody. Right? is and what I like, though, what you just said there was like, addressing it consciously. For me, I did, right? for 40 years, I was like, I was like, I got all this other shit to do. Right? And then then my spirit was like, I was like, Well, what do you want? Right? I'm very similar to your, you know, your moment, like there was like this. You know, days, maybe weeks, I forget exactly how long like you've got this kind of natural, vibrant body. Hi, you're like, I didn't miss anything. I didn't take anything. And so what's happening right now, you know, in my mind, after talking to several people, it could only be one thing. Right? So but it's it's inside of everybody. And having that conscious conversation with it, I think is the important thing, and not giving up who you already are kind of really loose back into this too. Because, like you said, You're not separate from who you ever were just because like, you know, you have this spiritual moment. It's not changing yourself either. Right. And we talked about like the the grittiness, allowing it to still be gritty, like, I mean, yeah, it's okay. Anthony Meindl 52:12 It's work, right? I mean, it is work. It's a relationship like any other. I also think though, as I've gotten older, I have a birthday next week. And I, I, when I look back at those stories I told or when I think about even my 30s, cuz I'm gonna be 53. I'm like, whoa, I'm a completely different Tony. And if, if you follow science, right, they say, cellularly, your body is regenerated every seven years or something like that, or so I am, like, at a atomic place, I am completely a cellular place, I'm different. But also your awareness and your evolution. If you do work on yourself, you are changed. I don't even really identify with that, Tony. So every decade or every year, really, you're a different person, which is so cool. That also speaks to how people can change even though I know there's the saying that you can't change someone, but we do change. Brandon Handley 53:05 Rod, you had a great line in the book too, about realizing in a relationship that, you know, you can't change somebody realize you can't change anybody that the only thing is leftovers, like love or something like that. That was like a really good was a good line. It's right. And it is and then the other part, too, that you mentioned there was your awakening was a Saturn, you know, rebirth away, you know? 29 so I'm in I'm in one of those this year, I think. So, which is also just more entertainment value for me as I'm reading the book. Anyways, listen, I you know, I identified with it, you know, you know, it must have been a challenge, you know, sounds like it was a challenge, especially growing up gay in the Midwest, right? I'm actually from San Francisco, born in San Francisco in the 70s. I was back out there in the 80s. And, you know, I always I embraced gay, you know, growing up, right, like, I wasn't gay, but I was like, it was there. So it was just like, hey, right, that's just part of part of life. Right. So, but then to, you know, kind of, you know, be able to express that run your business and and, you know, fully express yourself. I think that's super awesome to be able to see who you are and to Yeah, well, thank Anthony Meindl 54:15 you, Brandon. I feel like I've known you and I, it's so great to have this talk about I'm so inspired. Like, I feel like I can I have to go teach it a little bit. But I feel like oh my god, the class tonight is gonna get an extra dose of spiritual dope ism. Now. That's right. That's right. Brandon Handley 54:31 Get your head. Right. So get your commercial dope, Tony. Thanks again for being on Where should I go and send? Is there anything else that you want to you want to cover anything else you want? Unknown Speaker 54:42 covered at all? Awesome. Brandon Handley 54:44 Where should we send people to go hang out and find you? Yeah, Anthony Meindl 54:48 I mean, I guess if they're interested in my work, I guess, acting related or otherwise, you can go to our website www dot Anthony meindl memd elle.com and then you can always find me on Instagram, just Anthony meindl I'm on Twitter, but I don't really use Twitter. I just, it's too much so but so but I am on Instagram because I like photos. So, you know, you can always hit me up there and, you know, I really do try to answer people's questions if they DM me and I try to be in service as best I can. So, Unknown Speaker 55:24 yeah, awesome. Thanks again. Unknown Speaker 55:27 Thanks, man. Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Does it make sense for Netflix to drop hundreds of millions of dollars on new action films when they can pick up "new to you" action features with A-list (or near A-list) stars for significantly less? Writer-producer-director, Robert Meyer Burnett, reviews a recent Forbes article on this subject and then discusses the economics of movie-making and, more importantly, how Netflix's business model turns the conventional thinking of Hollywood on its head.It's a fascinating discussion that provides some insights as to where the movie business might go after the pandemic has passed. Plus Rob answers Super Chats from fans in the chat stream and discusses issues and ideas presented in fan letters sent in over the past few days.(Episode #603. Originally streamed January 23, 2021)

Everybody welcome back to the 10 X real estate where your nation's 10 next best flicks. Where we actually talked to some of our professionals, some of the people that are on our summit, some of our silver sponsors, which are guys like Draper, Draper and Kramer mortgage. And we also have us bank is one of our other mortgage lenders with James choo, who is the AVP over there. And today we're actually gonna get, are gonna bring back Chris Brady because you know what, honestly, we wanted to finish the conversation that we started yesterday. We just you know, and I think it's important for us to kind of go deep in with some of these people. So let's get Chris in here. Hey, Chris, welcome to the game, sir. How are we doing today? Good Sean. Doing well. How are you doing today? I am doing fantastic. You know how you make an hour with snow shoveling and you'd done there, or what

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While in Covid times it's more acceptable to escape reality, it still shouldn't become a habit. And for more and more people their real life is about other peoples lives. You are the director if your life. Learn how to take control, and how to make your life the best movie ever created!

Marcela Avelina is inspirational, layered, and great to talk to. What else could CATALINA's youngest journalist and podcaster ask for? The singer, song writer, and actress takes time out of her crazy busy day to tell Cristina about her new Netflix teen drama Grand Army. And then she opens up about the making of her new music, including the single “Took Me Out” (which Cristina could not stop listening to for a couple of days. To be honest, the CATALINA staff was quickly addicted to the chill-out vibe coming from the speakers as well.) Look for Marcela in our new Motivational Issue (the Special 2020 Election Issue) with amazing fellow Latinas ready to rule the world. It's grand. Like Netflix's Grand Army ... and Marcela. 

NBC Universal thinks some of its cable channels like E or SyFy won't last in a streaming world… so says the wall street journal Sources tell the journal that NBC thinks the future looks like Netflix. “Consumers will increasingly choose shows directly” with little regard for traditional schedulers or gatekeepers NBC's cable boss Jeff Shell "is centralizing decision-making and dramatically slimming down the cable unit,"  “Top executives are getting squeezed out.” says the article… “and more job cuts are expected.” The company's focus is squarely on Peacock, their new streaming platform, "which had 15 million sign-ups as of last week." On that note, I'm James Brown and I good you bid night Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Kolton Andrus, CEO and co-founder of Gremlin—the world's first "Failure-as-a-Service" platform—about the future of chaos engineering and shift right.

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