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In this special episode of Unstoppable Mindset, I had the privilege of sitting down with the remarkable Ivan Cury—a man whose career has taken him from the golden days of radio to groundbreaking television and, ultimately, the classroom.   Ivan began acting at just four and a half years old, with a chance encounter at a movie theater igniting a lifelong passion for storytelling. By age eleven, he had already starred in a radio adaptation of Jack and the Beanstalk and went on to perform in classic programs like Let's Pretend and FBI in Peace and War. His talent for voices and dialects made him a favorite on the air.   Television brought new opportunities. Ivan started out as a makeup artist before climbing the ranks to director, working on culturally significant programs like Soul and Woman, and directing Men's Wearhouse commercials for nearly three decades. Ivan also made his mark in academia, teaching at Hunter College, Cal State LA, and UCLA. He's written textbooks and is now working on a book of short stories and reflections from his extraordinary life.   Our conversation touched on the importance of detail, adaptability, and collaboration—even with those we might not agree with. Ivan also shared his view that while hard work is crucial, luck plays a bigger role than most of us admit.   This episode is packed with insights, humor, and wisdom from a man who has lived a rich and varied life in media and education. Ivan's stories—whether about James Dean or old-time radio—are unforgettable.     About the Guest:   Ivan Cury began acting on Let's Pretend at the age of 11. Soon he was appearing on Cavalcade of America, Theatre Guild on the Air,  The Jack Benny Program, and many others.  Best known as Portia's son on Portia Faces Life and Bobby on Bobby Benson and The B-Bar-B Riders.    BFA: Carnegie Tech, MFA:Boston University.   Producer-director at NET & CBS.  Camera Three's 25th Anniversary of the Julliard String Quartet, The Harkness Ballet, Actor's Choice and Soul! as well as_, _The Doctors and The Young and the Restless. Numerous television commercials, notably for The Men's Wearhouse.   Taught at Hunter, Adelphi, and UCLA.  Tenured at Cal State University, Los Angeles.  Author of two books on Television Production, one of which is in its 5th edition.    Ways to connect with Ivan:       About the Host:   Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.   Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards.   https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/   accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/       Thanks for listening!   Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! 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The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson ** 01:20 Well, hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of unstoppable mindset where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. And the fun thing is, most everything really deals with the unexpected. That is anything that doesn't have anything to do with diversity or inclusion. And our guest today, Ivan Cury, is certainly a person who's got lots of unexpected things, I am sure, and not a lot necessarily, dealing with the whole issue of disabilities, inclusion and diversity, necessarily, but we'll see. I want to tell you a little bit about Ivan, not a lot, because I want him to tell but as many of you know who listen to unstoppable mindset on a regular basis. I collect and have had as a hobby for many years old radio shows. And did a radio program for seven years, almost at UC Irvine when I was there on kuci, where every Sunday night we played old radio shows. And as it turns out, Ivan was in a number of those shows, such as, let's pretend, which is mostly a children's show. But I got to tell you, some of us adults listened and listened to it as well, as well as other programs. And we'll get into talking about some of those things. Ivan has a really great career. He's done a variety of different things, in acting. He's been in television commercials and and he is taught. He's done a lot of things that I think will be fun to talk about. So we'll get right to it. Ivan, I want to thank you for being here and welcome you to unstoppable mindset. Thanks. Thanks. Good to be here. Well, tell us a little bit about kind of the early Ivan growing up, if you will. Let's start with that. It's always good to start at the beginning, as it were,   Ivan Cury ** 03:04 well, it's sorry, it's a great, yes, it's a good place to start. About the time I was four and a half, that's a good time to start. I walked past the RKO 81st, street theater in New York, which is where we lived, and there was a princess in a in a castle kept in the front of this wonderful building that photographs all over the place. Later on, I was to realize that that Princess was really the cashier, but at the time, it was a princess in a small castle, and I loved the building and everything was in it. And thought at that time, that's what I'm going to do when I grow up. And the only thing that's kind of sad is it's Here I am, and I'm still liking that same thing all these years later, that's that's what I liked. And I do one thing or another, I wound up entertaining whenever there was a chance, which really meant just either singing a song or shaking myself around and pretending it was a dance or thinking it was a dance. And finally, wound up meeting someone who suggested I do a general audition at CBS long ago, when you could do those kinds of things I did and they I started reading when I was very young, because I really, because I want to read comics, you know, no big thing about that. And so when I could finally read comics, I wound up being able to read and doing it well. And did a general audition of CBS. They liked me. I had a different kind of voice from the other kids that were around at the time. And and so I began working and the most in my career, this was once, once you once they found a kid who had a different voice than the others, then you could always be the kid brother or the other brother. But it was clear that I wasn't a kid with a voice. I was the kid with the Butch boy. So who? Was who, and so I began to work. And I worked a lot in radio, and did lots and lots of shows, hundreds, 1000s,   Michael Hingson ** 05:07 you mentioned the comics. I remember when we moved to California, I was five, and I was tuning across the dial one Sunday morning and found KFI, which is, of course, a state a longtime station out here was a clear channel station. It was one of the few that was the only channel or only station on that frequency, and on Sunday morning, I was tuning across and I heard what sounded like somebody reading comics. But they weren't just reading the comics. They were dramatized. And it turns out it was a guy named David Starling who did other shows and when. So I got his name. But on that show, he was the funny paper man, and they read the LA Times comics, and every week they acted them out. So I was a devoted fan for many years, because I got to hear all of the comics from the times. And we actually subscribed to a different newspaper, so I got two sets of comics my brother or father read me the others. But it was fun reading and listening to the comics. And as I said, they dramatize them all, which was really cool.   Ivan Cury ** 06:14 Yeah, no doubt I was one day when I was in the studio, I was doing FBI and peace and war. I used to do that all the time, several it was a sponsored show. So it meant, I think you got $36 as opposed to $24 which was okay in those days. And my line was, gee, Dad, where's the lava soap. And I said that every week, gee, Dad, where's the lava soap. And I remember walking in the studio once and hearing the guy saying, Ah, this television ain't never gonna work. You can't use your imagination. And, yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 06:52 well, except you really don't use your imagination near especially now I find that everything is way too spelled out, so you don't get to use your imagination.   Ivan Cury ** 07:03 Radio required you to use your radio required you to use it. Yeah, and, and if you had a crayon book at the time, well, and you were 12 or No, no, much younger than that, then it was and that was what you did, and it was fun.   Michael Hingson ** 07:17 So what was the first radio program that you were   Ivan Cury ** 07:20 it was very peculiar, is it New Year's Eve, 19 four? No, I don't know. I'm not sure. Now, it was 47 or 48 I think it was 48 Yeah, I was 11, and it was New Year's Eve, and it was with Hank Severn, Ted Cott, and I did a Jack and the Beanstalk. It was recording for caravan records. It became the number one kids record. You know, I didn't, there was no he didn't get residuals or anything like that. And the next day I did, let's pretend. And then I didn't work for three months. And I think I cried myself to sleep every night after that, because I absolutely loved it. And, you know, there was nothing my parents could do about this, but I wanted, I wanted in. And about three months later, I finally got to do another show. Peculiarly. The next show I did was lead opposite Helen Hayes in a play called no room for Peter Pan. And I just looked it up. It was May. I looked it up and I lost it already. I think, I think I may know what it is. Stay tuned. No, now, nope, nope, nope, ah, so that's it was not. This was May 1949, wow. What was it? Well, yeah, and it was, it was a the director was a man named Lester O'Keefe, and I loved Barry Fitzgerald, and I find even at a very early age, I could do an Irish accent. And I've been in Ireland since then. I do did this, just sometimes with the people knowing that I was doing it and I was it was fine. Sometimes they didn't, and I could get it is, it is pretty Irish, I think, at any rate, he asked me father, who was born in Russia, if we spoke Gaelic at home, we didn't. And so I did the show, and it was fine. Then I did a lot of shows after that, because here was this 11 year old kid who could do all this kind of   Michael Hingson ** 09:24 stuff. So what was no room for Peter Pan about,   Ivan Cury ** 09:27 oh, it was about a midget, a midget who is a young man, a young boy who never grows up, and there's a mind. He becomes a circus performer, and he becomes a great star, and he comes back to his town, to his mother, and there's a mine disaster, and the only one who can save them is this little person, and the kid doesn't want to do it, and it's and there's a moment where Helen Hayes, who played the lead, explained about how important it is the to give up your image and be and be. Man, be a real man, and do the thing, right thing to do. And so that was the   Michael Hingson ** 10:04 story. What show was it on? What series?   Ivan Cury ** 10:07 Electric Theater, Electric Theater, Electric Theater with Ellen Hayes, okay,   Michael Hingson ** 10:10 I don't think I've heard that, but I'm going to find it.   Ivan Cury ** 10:14 Well, yes, there's that one. And almost very soon afterwards, I did another important part with Walter Hughes, Walter Hamden. And that was on cavalcade of America, Ah, okay. And that was called Footlights on the frontier. And it was about, Tom about Joseph Jefferson, and the theater of the time, where the young kid me meets Abraham Lincoln, Walter Houston, and he saves the company. Well, those are the first, first shows. Was downhill from there. Oh, I don't   Michael Hingson ** 10:50 know, but, but you you enjoyed it, and, of course, I loved it, yes, why?   Ivan Cury ** 11:00 I was very friendly with Richard lamparsky. I don't even remember him, but he wrote whatever became of series of books. Whatever became of him was did a lot, and we were chatting, and he said that one of the things he noticed is that people in theater, people in motion pictures, they all had a lot of nightmare stories to tell about people they'd work with. And radio actors did not have so much of that. And I believe that you came in, you got your script, you work with people you like, mostly, if you didn't, you'd see you'd lose, you know, you wouldn't see them again for another Yeah, you only had to deal with them for three or four hours, and that was in the studio. And after that, goodbye.   Michael Hingson ** 11:39 Yeah, what was your favorite show that you ever did?   Ivan Cury ** 11:42 And it seems to me, it's kind of almost impossible. Yeah, I don't know,   Michael Hingson ** 11:51 a lot of fun ones.   Ivan Cury ** 11:54 I'll tell you the thing about that that I found and I wrote about it, there are only five, four reasons really, for having a job. One of them is money, one of them is prestige. One of them is learning something, and the other is having fun. And if they don't have at least two, you ought to get out of it. And I just had a lot of fun. I really like doing it. I think that's one of the things that's that keeps you going now, so many of these old time radio conventions, which are part of my life now, at least Tom sometimes has to do with with working with some of the actors. It's like tennis. It's like a good tennis game. You you send out a line, and you don't know how it's going to come back and what they're going to do with it. And that's kind of fun.   Michael Hingson ** 12:43 Well, so while you were doing radio, and I understand you weren't necessarily doing it every day, but almost, well, almost. But you were also going to school. How did all that work out   Ivan Cury ** 12:53 there is, I went to Professional Children's School. I went to a lot of schools. I went to law schools only because mostly I would, I would fail geometry or algebra, and I'd have to take summer session, and I go to summer session and I'd get a film, and so I'd leave that that session of summer session and do the film and come back and then go to another one. So in all, I wound up to being in about seven or eight high schools. But the last two years was at Professional Children's School. Professional Children's School has been set up. It's one of a number of schools that are set up for professional children, particularly on the East Coast. Here, they usually bring somebody on the set. Their folks brought on set for it. Their professional school started really by Milton Berle, kids that go on the road, and they were doing terribly. Now in order to work as a child Lacher in New York and probably out here, you have to get permission from the mayor's office and permission from the American Society of Prevention of Cruelty to Children. And you needed permits to do it, and those both organizations required the schools to show to give good grades you were doing in school, so you had to keep up your grades, or they wouldn't give you a permit, and then you couldn't work. PCs did that by having correspondence. So if a kid was on the road doing a show out of town in Philadelphia or wherever, they were responsible for whatever that week's work was, and we were all we knew ahead of time what the work was going to be, what projects had to be sent into the school and they would be graded when I went, I went to Carnegie, and my first year of English, I went only, I think, three days a week, instead of five, because Tuesdays and Thursdays Were remedial. We wrote We were responsible for a term paper. Actually, every week, you we learned how to write. And it was, they were really very serious about it. They were good schools   Michael Hingson ** 14:52 well, and you, you clearly enjoyed it. And I know you also got very involved and interested in poetry as you went along. Too do. Yes, I did well, yeah, yeah. And who's your favorite poet?   Ivan Cury ** 15:07 Ah, my favorite poets. If that is hard to say, who my favorite is, but certainly they are more than one is Langston, Hughes, Mary, Oliver, wh Jordan, my favorite, one of my favorite poems is by Langston Hughes. I'll do it for you now. It's real easy. Burton is hard, and dying is mean. So get yourself some love, and in between, there you go. Yes, I love that. And Mary Oliver, Mary Oliver's memory, if I hope I do, I go down to the shore, and depending upon the hour, the waves are coming in and going out. And I said, Oh, I am so miserable. Watch. What should I do? And the sea, in its lovely voice, says, Excuse me, I have work to do.   Michael Hingson ** 15:56 Ooh. That puts it in perspective, doesn't   Ivan Cury ** 16:00 it? Yes, it certainly does.   Michael Hingson ** 16:03 So So you, you went to school and obviously had good enough grades that you were able to continue to to act and be in radio, yes, which was cool. And then television, because it was a television Lacher, yeah, yeah. It's beginning of television as well. So I know one of the shows that you were on was the Jack Benny show. What did you do for Jack? Oh, well,   Ivan Cury ** 16:28 I'm really stuffy. Singer is the guy who really did a lot of Jack Benny things. But what happened is that when Jack would come to New York, if there was a kid they needed, that was me, and so I did the Benny show, I don't know, two or three times when he was in New York. I, I did the Jack Benny show two or three times. But I was not so you were, you were nice, man. It came in. We did the show. I went   Michael Hingson ** 16:51 home. You were a part time Beaver, huh?   Ivan Cury ** 16:54 I don't know. I really don't know, but I was beaver or what? I don't remember anything other than I had been listening to the Jack Benny show as a kid. I knew he was a star and that he was a nice man, and when he came into the studio, he was just a nice man who who read Jack Benny's lines, and who was Jack Benny, and he said his lines, and I said my lines, and we had a nice time together. And there wasn't any, there wasn't any real interplay between us, other than what would be normal between any two human beings and and that was that. So I did the show, but I can't talk very much about Jack Benny.   Michael Hingson ** 17:32 Did you? Did you primarily read your scripts, or did you memorize them at all?   Ivan Cury ** 17:37 Oh, no, no, radio. That was the thing about radio. Radio that was sort of the joy you read. It was all about reading. It's all about reading, yeah. And one of the things about that, that that was just that I feel lucky about, is that I can pretty well look at a script and read it. Usually read it pretty well with before the first time I've ever seen it, and that's cold reading, and I was pretty good at that, and still am.   Michael Hingson ** 18:06 Did you find that as you were doing scripts and so on, though, and reading them, that that changed much when you went in into television and started doing television?   Ivan Cury ** 18:22 I don't know what you mean by change.   Michael Hingson ** 18:24 Did you you still read scripts and   Ivan Cury ** 18:26 yeah, no, no, the way. I mean the way intelligent show usually goes as an actor. Well, when I directed television, I used to direct a lot of soap operas, not a lot, but I directed soap operas, but there'd be a week's rehearsal for a show, danger, I'm syndicated, or anything, and so there'd be a week's rehearsal. The first thing you do is, we have a sit down read, so you don't read the script, and then you holding the script in your hand walk through the scenes. Sometimes the director would have, would have blocking that they knew you were going to they were going to do, and they say, here's what you do. You walk in the door, etc. Sometimes they say, Well, go ahead, just show me what you'd like, what you what it feels like. And from that blocking is derived. And then you go home and you try to memorize the lines, and you feel perfectly comfortable that as you go, when you leave and you come back the next day and discover you got the first line down. But from there on, it's dreadful. But after a while, you get into the thing and you know your lines. You do it. Soap opera. Do that.   Michael Hingson ** 19:38 The interesting thing about doing radio, was everything, pretty much, was live. Was that something that caused a lot of pressure for you?   Ivan Cury ** 19:51 In some ways, yes, and in some ways it's lovely. The pressure is, yes, you want to get it right, but if you got to get it but if you get it wrong, give it up, because it's all over. Uh, and that's something that's that isn't so if you've recorded it, then you start figuring, well, what can I do? How can I fix this? You know, live, you do it and it's done. That's, that's what it is, moving right along. And this, this comment, gets to be kind of comfortable, you know, that you're going to, there may be some mistakes. You do the best you can with it, and go on one of the things that's really the news that that happens, the news, you know, every night, and with all the other shows that are live every day,   Michael Hingson ** 20:26 one of the things that I've noticed in a number of radio shows, there are times that it's fairly obvious that somebody made a flub of some sort, but they integrated it in, and they were able to adapt and react, and it just became part of the show. And sometimes it became a funny thing, but a lot of times they just worked it in, because people knew how to do that. And I'm not sure that that is so much the case certainly today on television, because in reality, you get to do it over and over, and they'll edit films and all that. And so you don't have that, that same sort of thing, but some of those challenges and flubs that did occur on radio were really like in the Jack Benny shows and burns and Allen and Phil Harris and so on. They were, they just became integrated in and they they became classic events, even though they weren't necessarily originally part of the plan.   Ivan Cury ** 21:25 Absolutely, some of some of them, I suspect some of them, were planned and planned to sound as if they would just happen. But certainly mistakes. Gosh, good mistakes are wonderful. Yeah, in all kinds of I used to do a lot of live television, and even if we weren't live television, when we would just do something and we were going to tape it and do it later, I remember once the camera kind of going wrong, video going wrong. I went, Wait a minute. That's great. Let's keep it wrong like that, you know. And it was so is just lovely that that's part of the art of improvisation, with how   Michael Hingson ** 22:06 and and I think there was a lot more of that, certainly in radio, than there is on television today, because very few things are really live in the same   Ivan Cury ** 22:17 sense. No, there. There are some kinds of having written, there are some type formats that are live. The news is live, the news is live. There's no, you know, there are. There used to be, and there may still be some of the afternoon shows, the kind of morning and afternoon shows where Show and Tell Dr whatever his name is, Dr Phil, yeah, it may be live, or it's shot as live, and they don't, they don't really have a budget to edit, so it's got to be real bad before they edit. Yeah. So do a show like that called Woman of CBS. So there are shows that are live, like that, sport events are live. A lot of from Kennedy Center is live. There are, there are lots of programs that are live, concerts, that are that you are a lot of them. America's Got Talent might as well be live. So there's a lot of that. And certainly things go wrong in the ad lib, and that's the way, because, in fact, there's some lovely things that happen out of that, but mostly, you're absolutely right. Mostly you do show it's recorded. You intend to edit it, you plan it to be edited, and you do it. It's also different when you shoot multiple camera, as opposed to single camera, yeah, single camera being as you say, again and again and again, multiple camera, not so much, although I used to direct the young and the restless, and now there is a line cut which is almost never used. It's it's the intention, but every shot is isolated and then cleaned up so that it's whatever is, whatever is possibly wrong with it gets clean.   Michael Hingson ** 24:03 Yeah, it's, it's a sign of the changing times and how things, everything   Ivan Cury ** 24:09 is bad. It's just, it's different. In fact, that's a kind of question I'm really puzzled with right now for the fun of it. And that is about AI, is it good or bad?   Michael Hingson ** 24:20 Well, and it's like anything else, of course, it depends. One of the one of my, my favorite, one of my favorite things about AI is a few years, a couple of years ago, I was at a Christmas party when there was somebody there who was complaining about the fact that kids were writing their papers using AI,   Ivan Cury ** 24:43 and that's bad   Michael Hingson ** 24:44 and and although people have worked on trying to be able to detect AI, the reality is that this person was complaining that the kids were even doing it. And I didn't think about it until later, but I realized. Is one of the greatest blessings of AI is let the students create their papers using AI. What the teachers need to do is to get more creative. And by that I mean All right, so when children turn in and students turn in their papers, then take a day and let every student take about a minute and come up and defend the paper they wrote. You're going to find out really quickly who really knew the subject and who just let ai do it and didn't have any interaction with it. But what a great way to learn. You're going to find out very quickly. And kids are going to figure out very quickly that they need to really know the subject, because they're going to have to defend their   Ivan Cury ** 25:41 papers. Yeah, no, I think that's fine. I I don't like the amount of electricity that it requires and what it's doing to our to our needs for water, because it has to be cooled down. So there's some physical things that I don't like about AI, and I think it's like when you used to have to go into a test with a slide rule, and they you couldn't use your calculator. When I use a calculator, it's out of the bag. You can't put it back anymore. It's a part of our life, and how to use it is the question. And I think you're absolutely right. I don't even need to know whether. I'm not even sure you need to check the kids if they it. How will you use? How will we get to use? Ai, it is with us.   Michael Hingson ** 26:30 Well, but I think there's a the value of of checking and testing. Why I'm with you. I don't think it's wrong. I think, no, no, but I think the value is that it's going to make them really learn the subject. I've written articles, and I've used AI to write articles, and I will look at them. I'll actually have a create, like, eight or nine different versions, and I will decide what I like out of each of them, and then I will add my part to it, because I have to make it me, and I've always realized that. So I know anything that I write, I can absolutely defend, because I'm very integrally involved in what I do with it, although AI has come up with some very clever ideas. Yeah, I hadn't thought of but I still add value to it, and I think that's what's really important.   Ivan Cury ** 27:19 I did a I've been writing stuff for a while, and one of the things I did, I wrote this. I wrote a little piece. And I thought, well, what? What would ai do if they took the same piece? How would they do it? So I put it in and said, rewrite it. They did. It was kind of bland. They'd taken all the life out of it. It wasn't very Yeah. So then I said, Well, wait a minute, do the same thing, write it as if it were written by Damon Runyon. And so they took it and they did that, and it was way over the top and really ugly, but it I kind of had fun with what, what the potential was, and how you might want to use it. I mean, I think the way you using it is exactly right. Yeah, it's how you use it, when, when you when, I'm just as curious, when you do that, when you said, you write something, and you ask them to do it four or five times or many times. How do you how do you require them to do it differently.   Michael Hingson ** 28:23 Well, there are a couple different ways. One is, there are several different models that can use to generate the solution. But even leaving aside such as, Oh, let's see, one is, you go out and do more web research before you actually do the do the writing. And so that's one thing and another. I'm trying to remember there were, like, six models that I found on one thing that I did yesterday, and but, but the other part about it is that with AI, yeah, the other thing about AI is that you can just tell it you don't like the response that you   Ivan Cury ** 29:09 got. Aha, okay, all right, yep,   Michael Hingson ** 29:13 I got it. And when you do that, it will create a different response, which is one of the things that you want. So, so so that works out pretty well. And what I did on something, I wanted to write a letter yesterday, and I actually had it write it. I actually had it do it several times. And one time I told it to look at the web to help generate more information, which was pretty cool, but, but the reality is that, again, I also think that I need to be a part of the the solution. So I had to put my my comments into it as well, and, and that worked out pretty well. Okay, right? Yeah, so I mean, it's cool, and it worked. Right? And so the bottom line is we we got a solution, but I think that AI is a tool that we can use, and if we use it right, it will enhance us. And it's something that we all have to choose how we're going to do. There's no no come, yeah, no question about that. So tell me you were successful as a young actor. So what kind of what what advice or what kind of thoughts do you have about youth success, and what's your takeaway from that?   Ivan Cury ** 30:36 The Good, yeah, I There are a lot of things being wanting to do it, and I really love doing it, I certainly didn't want to. I wanted to do it as the best way I could Well, I didn't want to lose it up, is what it really comes down to. And that meant figuring out what it is that required. And one of the things that required was a sense of responsibility. You had to be there on time, you had to be on stage, and you may want to fidget, but that takes to distract from what's going on, so sit still. So there's a kind of kind of responsibility that that you learn, that I learned, I think early on, that was, that's very useful. Yeah, that's, that's really, I think that's, I wrote some things that I had, I figured, some of these questions that might be around. So there, there's some I took notes about it. Well, oh, attention to details. Yeah, to be care to be watch out for details. And a lot of the things can be carried on into later life, things about detailed, things about date. Put a date on, on papers. When, when did, when was this? No, when was this note? What? When did this happen? Just keeping track of things. I still am sort of astonished at how, how little things add up, how we just just noted every day. And at the end of a year, you've made 365 notes,   Michael Hingson ** 32:14 yeah, well, and then when you go back and read them, which is also part of the issue, is that you got to go back and look at them to to see what   Ivan Cury ** 32:23 right or to just know that they're there so that you can refer to them. When did that happen?   Michael Hingson ** 32:28 Oh, right. And what did you say? You know, that's the point. Is that when I started writing thunder dog, my first book was suggested that I should start it, and I started writing it, what I started doing was creating notes. I actually had something like 1.2 megabytes of notes by the time we actually got around to doing the book. And it was actually eight years after I started doing some, well, seven years after I started doing writing on it. But the point is that I had the information, and I constantly referred back to it, and I even today, when I deliver a speech, I like to if there's a possibility of having it recorded, I like to go back and listen, because I want to make sure that I'm not changing things I shouldn't change and or I want to make sure that I'm really communicating with the audience, because I believe that my job is to talk with an audience, not to an audience.   Ivan Cury ** 33:24 Yeah, yeah. I we say that I'm reading. There are three books I'm reading right now, one of them, one of them, the two of them are very well, it doesn't matter. One is called who ate the oyster? Who ate the first oyster? And it's a it's really about paleon. Paleological. I'm saying the word wrong, and I'm paleontological. Paleontological, yeah, study of a lot of firsts, and it's a lovely but the other one is called shady characters by Keith Houston, and it's a secret life of punctuation symbols and other typographical marks, and I am astonished at the number of of notes that go along with it. Probably 100 100 pages of footnotes to all of the things that that are a part of how these words came to be. And they're all, I'm not looking at the footnotes, because there's just too many, but it's kind of terrific to check out. To be that clear about where did this idea come from, where did this statement come from? I'm pleased about that. I asked my wife recently if you could be anything you want other than what you are. What would you want to be? What other what other job or would you want to have? The first one that came to mind for me, which I was surprised that was a librarian. I just like the detail. I think that's   Michael Hingson ** 34:56 doesn't go anywhere. There you go. Well, but there's so. There's a lot of detail, and you get to be involved with so many different kinds of subjects, and you never know what people are going to ask you on any given day. So there's a lot of challenge and fun to that.   Ivan Cury ** 35:11 Well, to me also just putting things in order, I was so surprised to discover that in the Dewey Decimal System, the theater is 812 and right next to it, the thing that's right next to it is poetry. I was surprised. It's interesting, yeah, the library and play that out.   Michael Hingson ** 35:29 Well, you were talking about punctuation. Immediately I thought of EE Cummings. I'll bet he didn't pay much attention to punctuation at all. I love him. He's great, yeah, isn't he? Yeah, it's a lot of fun. An interesting character by any standard. So, so you, you progressed into television, if, I guess it's progressing well, like, if we answer to Fred Allen, it's not, but that's okay.   Ivan Cury ** 35:54 Well, what happens? You know, after, after, I became 18, and is an interesting moment in my life, where they were going to do film with Jimmy Dean, James Dean, James Dean. And it came down and he was going to have a sidekick, a kid sidekick. And it came down to me and Sal Mineo. And Sal got it, by the way. Case you didn't know, but one of the things was I was asked I remember at Columbia what I wanted to do, and I said I wanted to go to college, and my there was a kind of like, oh, yeah, right. Well, then you're not going to go to this thing, because we don't. We want you to be in Hollywood doing the things. And yes, and I did go to college, which is kind of great. So what happened was, after, when I became 18, I went to Carnegie tech and studied theater arts. Then I after that, I studied at Boston University and got a master's there, so that I had an academic, an academic part of my life as well, right? Which ran out well, because in my later years, I became a professor and wrote some   Michael Hingson ** 36:56 books, and that was your USC, right? No, Cal State, Lacher State, LA and UCLA. And UCLA, not USC. Oh, shame on me. But that's my wife. Was a USC graduate, so I've always had loyalty. There you go. But I went to UC Irvine, so you know, okay, both systems, whatever.   Ivan Cury ** 37:16 Well, you know, they're both UC system, and that's different, yeah, the research institutes, as opposed to the Cal State, which   Michael Hingson ** 37:23 are more teaching oriented, yeah,   Ivan Cury ** 37:26 wow, yeah, that's, that's what it says there in the paper.   Michael Hingson ** 37:30 Yes, that's what it says. But you know, so you went into television. So what did you mainly do in the in the TV world?   Ivan Cury ** 37:44 Well, when I got out of when I got through school, I got through the army, I came back to New York, and I, oh, I got a job versus the Girl Scouts, doing public relations. I I taught at Hunter College for a year. Taught speech. One of the required courses at Carnegie is voice and diction, and it's a really good course. So I taught speech at Hunter College, and a friend of mine was the second alternate maker man at Channel 13 in New York. He had opera tickets, so he said, Look standard for me, it's easy, men seven and women five, and telling women to put on their own lipstick. So I did. I did that, and I became then he couldn't do it anymore, so I became the second alternate make a man. Then it didn't matter. Within within six months, I was in charge of makeup for any t which I could do, and I was able to kind of get away with it. And I did some pretty good stuff, some prosthetic pieces, and it was okay, but I really didn't want to do that. I wanted to direct, if I could. And so then I they, they knew that, and I they knew that I was going to leave if, if, because I wasn't going to be a makeup I didn't. So I became a stage manager, and then an associate director, and then a director at Channel 13 in New York. And I directed a lot of actors, choice the biggest show I did there, or the one that Well, I did a lot of I also worked with a great guy named Kirk Browning, who did the a lot of the NBC operas, and who did all of the opera stuff in for any t and then I wound up doing a show called Soul, which was a black variety show. But when I say black variety show, it was with James Baldwin and but by the OJS and the unifics and the delphonics and Maya Angelou and, you know, so it was a black culture show, and I was the only white guy except the camera crew there. But had a really terrific time. Left there and went and directed for CBS. I did camera three. So I did things like the 25th anniversary of the Juilliard stringer check. Quartet. But I was also directing a show called woman, which was one of the earliest feminist programs, where I was the only male and an all female show. And actually I left and became the only gringo on an all Latino show called aqui I ahora. So I had a strange career in television as a director, and then did a lot of commercials for about 27 years, I directed or worked on the Men's Warehouse commercials. Those are the facts. I guarantee it.   Michael Hingson ** 40:31 Did you get to meet George Zimmer? Oh, very, very, very often, 27 years worth, I would figure, yeah.   Ivan Cury ** 40:39 I mean, what? I'm enemies. When I met him, he's a boy, a mere boy.   Michael Hingson ** 40:45 Did you act during any of this time? Or were you no no behind the camera once?   Ivan Cury ** 40:50 Well, the only, the only acting I did was occasionally. I would go now in a store near you, got it, and I had this voice that they decided, Ivan, we don't want you to do it anymore. It just sounds too much like we want, let George do this, please.   Michael Hingson ** 41:04 So, so you didn't get to do much, saying of things like, But wait, there's more, right?   Ivan Cury ** 41:10 No, not at all. Okay, okay. Oh, but you do that very well. Let's try.   Michael Hingson ** 41:13 Wait, there's more, okay. Well, that's cool. Well, that was,   Ivan Cury ** 41:18 it was kind of fun, and it was kind of fun, but they had to, it was kind of fun to figure out things. I remember we did. We had a thing where some of those commercial we did some commercials, and this is the thing, I sort of figured out customers would call in. So we recorded their, their call ins, and I they, we said, with calls being recorded. We took the call ins and I had them sent to it a typist who typed up what they wrote that was sent to New York to an advertising agency would extract, would extract questions or remarks that people had made about the stuff, the remarks, the tapes would be then sent to who did that? I think we edited the tapes to make it into a commercial, but the tags needed to be done by an announcer who said, in a store near you were opening sooner, right? Wyoming, and so those the announcer for the Men's Warehouse was a guy in in Houston. So we'd send, we'd send that thing to him, and he'd send us back a digital package with the with the tags. And the fun of it was that was, it was from, the calls are from all over the world. The the edits on paper were done in New York, the physical work was done in San Francisco. The announcer was in Houston. And, you know? And it's just kind of fun to be able to do that, that to see, particularly having come from, having come from 1949 Yeah, where that would have been unheard of to kind of have that access to all that was just fun, kind   Michael Hingson ** 42:56 of fun. But think about it now, of course, where we have so much with the internet and so on, it'd be so much easier, in a lot of ways, to just have everyone meet on the same network and   Ivan Cury ** 43:09 do now it's now, it's nothing. I mean, now it's just, that's the way it is. Come on.   Michael Hingson ** 43:13 Yeah, exactly. So. So you know, one of the things that I've been thinking about is that, yes, we've gone from radio to television and a whole new media and so on. But at the same time, I'm seeing a fairly decent resurgence of people becoming fascinated with radio and old radio and listening to the old programs. Do you see that?   Ivan Cury ** 43:41 Well, I, I wish I did. I don't my, my take on it. It comes strictly from that such, so anecdotal. It's like, in my grandkids, I have these shows that I've done, and it's, you know, it's grandpa, and here it is, and there it's the bobby Benson show, or it's calculator America, whatever, 30 seconds. That's what they give me. Yeah, then it's like, Thanks, grandpa. Whoopie. I don't know. I think maybe there may there may be something, but I would, I'd want some statistical evidence about well, but   Michael Hingson ** 44:19 one of the things I'm thinking of when I talk about the resurgence, is that we're now starting to see places like radio enthusiasts to Puget Sound reps doing recreations of, oh yes, Carl Omari has done the Twilight Zone radio shows. You know, there are some things that are happening, but reps among others, and spurred back to some degree, yeah, spurred back is, is the Society for the Prevention, oh, gosh,   Ivan Cury ** 44:46 not cruelty children, although enrichment   Michael Hingson ** 44:49 of radio   Ivan Cury ** 44:50 drama and comedy, right? Society, right? Yeah, and reps is regional enthusiasts of Puget Sound, Puget   Michael Hingson ** 44:58 Sound and. Reps does several recreations a year. In fact, there's one coming up in September. Are you going to   Ivan Cury ** 45:04 that? Yes, I am. I'm supposed to be. Yes, I think I Yes. I am.   Michael Hingson ** 45:08 Who you're going to play? I have no idea. Oh, you don't know yet.   Ivan Cury ** 45:12 Oh, no, no, that's fun. You get there, I think they're going to have me do a Sam Spade. There is another organization up there called the American radio theater, right? And I like something. I love those people. And so they did a lot of Sam Spade. And so I expect I'm going to be doing a Sam Spade, which I look forward to.   Michael Hingson ** 45:32 I was originally going to it to a reps event. I'm not going to be able to this time because somebody has hired me to come and speak and what I was going to do, and we've postponed it until I can, can be the one to do it is Richard diamond private detective, which is about my most favorite radio show. So I'm actually going to play, able to play Richard diamond. Oh, how great. Oh, that'll be a lot of fun. Yeah. So it'll probably be next year at this point now, but it but it will happen.   Ivan Cury ** 45:59 I think this may, yeah, go ahead. This may be my last, my last show I'm getting it's getting tough to travel.   Michael Hingson ** 46:07 Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Let's see. Let's see what happens. But, but it is fun, and I've met several people through their Carolyn Grimes, of course, who played Zuzu on It's A Wonderful Life. And in fact, we're going to have her on unstoppable mindset in the not too distant future, which is great, but I've met her and and other people, which I   Ivan Cury ** 46:34 think that's part of the for me. That really is part of the fun. Yeah, you become for me now it has become almost a sec, a family, in the same way that when you do show, if you do a show regularly, it is, it really becomes a family. And when the show is over, it's that was, I mean, one of the first things as a kid that was, that was really kind of tough for every day, or every other day I would meet the folks of Bobby Benson and the B Barbie writers. And then I stopped doing the show, and I didn't see them and didn't see them again. You know, I Don Knotts took me to I had the first shrimp of my life. Don Knotts took me to take tough and Eddie's in New York. Then I did another show called paciolini, which was a kind of Italian version of The Goldbergs. And that was, I was part of that family, and then that kind of went away. I was Porsche son on Porsche faces life, and then that way, so the you have these families and they and then you lose them, but, but by going to these old events, there is that sense of family, and there are also, what is just astonishing to me is all those people who know who knows stuff. One day I mentioned Frank Milano. Now, nobody who knows Frank Milano. These guys knew them. Oh, Frank, yeah, he did. Frank Milano was a sound. Was did animal sounds. There were two guys who did animal sounds particularly well. One was Donald Baines, who I worked with on the first day I ever did anything. He played the cow on Jack and the Beanstalk and and Frank, Don had, Don had a wonderful bar room bet, and that was that he could do the sound effects of a fish. Wow. And what is the sound effect of a fish? So now you gotta be required. Here's the sound effect of a fish. This was what he went $5 bets with you. Ready? Here we go.   Michael Hingson ** 48:41 Good job. Yeah, good job. Yeah. It's like, what was it on? Was it Jack Benny? They had a kangaroo, and I think it was Mel Blanc was asked to do the kangaroo, which is, of course, another one where they're not really a sound, but you have to come up with a sound to do it on radio, right?   Ivan Cury ** 49:06 Yes. Oh my god, there were people who want I could do dialects, I could do lots of German film, and I could do the harness. Was very easy for me to do, yeah, so I did love and I got to lots of jobs because I was a kid and I could do all these accents. There was a woman named Brianna Rayburn. And I used to do a lot of shows in National Association of churches of Christ in the United States. And the guy who was the director, John Gunn, we got to know each other. He was talking about, we talked with dialects. He said Briana Rayburn had come in. She was to play a Chinese woman. And she really asked him, seriously, what part of China Do you want her to come from? Oh, wow. I thought that was just super. And she was serious. She difference, which is studied, studied dialects in in. In college not long after, I could do them, and discovered that there were many, many English accents. I knew two or three cockney I could do, but there were lots of them that could be done. And we had the most fun. We had a German scholar from Germany, from Germany, and we asked him if he was doing speaking German, but doing playing the part of an American what would it sound like speaking German with an American accent? You know, it was really weird.   Michael Hingson ** 50:31 I had a history teacher, yes, who was from the Bronx, who spoke German, yeah, and he fought in World War Two. And in fact, he was on guard duty one night, and somebody took a shot at him, and so he yelled back at them in German. The accent was, you know, I took German, so I don't understand it all that well, but, but listening to him with with a New York accent, speaking German was really quite a treat. The accent spilled through, but, but they didn't shoot at him anymore. So I think he said something, what are you shooting at me for? Knock it off. But it was so funny, yeah, but they didn't shoot at him anymore because he spoke, yeah, yeah. It was kind of cool. Well, so with all that you've learned, what kind of career events have have sort of filtered over into what you do today?   Ivan Cury ** 51:28 Oh, I don't know. We, you know. But one of the things I wanted to say, it was one of the things that I learned along the way, which is not really answering your question until I get back to it, was, I think one of those best things I learned was that, however important it is that that you like someone, or you're with somebody and everything is really terrific. One of the significant things that I wish I'd learned earlier, and I think is really important, is how do you get along when you don't agree? And I think that's really very important.   Michael Hingson ** 52:01 Oh, it's so important. And we, in today's society, it's especially important because no one can tolerate anyone anymore if they disagree with them, they're you're wrong, and that's all there is to it. And that just is so unfortunate. There's no There's no really looking at alternatives, and that is so scary   Ivan Cury ** 52:20 that may not be an alternative. It may not be,   Michael Hingson ** 52:23 but if somebody thinks there is, you should at least respect the opinion,   Ivan Cury ** 52:28 whatever it is, how do you get along with the people you don't   Michael Hingson ** 52:32 agree with? Right?   Ivan Cury ** 52:35 And you should one that you love that you don't agree with, right? This may sound strange, but my wife and I do not agree about everything all the time, right?   Michael Hingson ** 52:43 What a concept. My wife and I didn't agree about everything all the time. Really, that's amazing, and it's okay, you know? And in fact, we both one of the the neat things, I would say, is we both learned so much from each other when we disagreed, but would talk about it, and we did a lot of talking and communicating, which I always felt was one of the most important things about our marriage. So we did, we learned a lot, and we knew how to get along, and we knew that if we disagreed, it was okay, because even if we didn't change each other's opinion, we didn't need to try to change each other's opinion, but if we work together and learn to respect the other opinion, that's what really mattered, and you learn more about the individual that way,   Ivan Cury ** 53:30 yeah, and also you have you learn about giving up. Okay, I think you're wrong, but if that's really what you want exactly, I'll do it. We'll do it your way?   Michael Hingson ** 53:42 Yeah, well, exactly. And I think it's so important that we really put some of that into perspective, and it's so crucial to do that, but there's so much disagreement today, and nobody wants to talk to anybody. You're wrong. I'm right. That's all there is to it. Forget it, and that's just not the way the world should be.   Ivan Cury ** 53:59 No, no. I wanted to go on to something that you had asked about, what I think you asked about, what's now I have been writing. I have been writing to a friend who I've been writing a lot of very short pieces, to a friend who had a stroke and who doesn't we can't meet as much as we use. We can't meet at all right now. And but I wanted to just go on, I'm and I said that I've done something really every week, and I'd like to put some of these things together into a book. And what I've been doing, looking for really is someone to work with. And so I keep writing the things, the thing that I wrote just today, this recent one, had to do with I was thinking about this podcast. Is what made me think of it. I thought about the stars that I had worked with, you know, me and the stars, because I had lots. Stories with with people who are considered stars, Charles Lawton, Don Knotts, Gene crane, Maya, Angelou, Robert Kennedy, the one I wrote about today. I wrote about two people. I thought it'd be fun to put them together, James Dean and Jimmy Dean. James Dean, just going to tell you the stories about them, because it's the kind of thing I'm writing about now. James Dean, we worked together on a show called Crime syndicated. He had just become really hot in New York, and we did this show where there were a bunch of probably every teenage actor in New York was doing this show. We were playing two gangs, and Jimmy had an extraordinary amount of lines. And we said, What the hell are you going to do, Jim? If you, you know, if you lose lines, he's, this is live. And he said, No problem. And then what he said is, all I do is I start talking, and then I just move my mouth like I'm walking talking, and everybody will think the audio went out. Oh, and that's, that's what he was planning on doing. I don't know if he really is going to do it. He was perfect. You know, he's just wonderful. He did his show. The show was great. We were all astonished to be working with some not astonished, but really glad to just watch him work, because he was just so very good. And we had a job. And then stories with Jimmy Dean. There were a couple of stories with Jimmy Dean, the singer and the guy of sausage, right? The last one to make it as fast, the last one was, we were in Nashville, at the Grand Ole Opry Opperman hotel. I was doing a show with him, and I was sitting in the bar, the producer and someone other people, and there was a regular Graceland has a regular kind of bar. It's a small bar of chatter, cash register, husband, wife, team on the stage singing. And suddenly, as we were talking, it started to get very quiet. And what had happened is Jimmy Dean had come into the room. He had got taken the guitar, and he started to sing, and suddenly it just got quiet, very quiet in the room. The Register didn't ring. He sang one song and he sang another song. His applause. He said, Thank you. Gave the guitar back to the couple. Walked off the stage. It was quiet while a couple started to sing again. They were good. He started to sing. People began to chatter again. The cash register rang, and I, I certainly have no idea how he managed to command that room to have everybody shut up while he sang and listened to him. He didn't do anything. There was nothing, you know, no announcement. It wasn't like, oh, look, there's Jimmy. It was just his, his performance. It was great, and I was really glad to be working with him the next day well.   Michael Hingson ** 57:56 And I think that having that kind of command and also being unassuming about it is pretty important if you've got an ego and you think you're the greatest thing, and that's all there is to it. That shows too, yeah?   Ivan Cury ** 58:08 Well, some people live on it, on that ego, yeah, and I'm successful on it, I don't think that was what. It certainly   Michael Hingson ** 58:17 wasn't, no, no, no, and I'm not saying that. I'm sure it wasn't that's my point. Yeah, no, because I think that the ultimate best people are the ones who don't do it with ego or or really project that ego. I think that's so important, as I said earlier, for me, when I go to speak, my belief is I'm going to to do what I can to help whatever event I'm at, it isn't about me at all. It's more about the audience. It's more about what can I inspire this audience with? What can I tell the audience and talk with the audience about, and how can I relate to them so that I'm saying something that they want to hear, and that's what I have to do. So if you had the opportunity to go back and talk to a younger Ivan, what would you tell him?   Ivan Cury ** 59:08 Cut velvet? No, there you go. No, what? I don't. I really don't. I don't know.   Michael Hingson ** 59:18 Talk Like a fish. More often   Ivan Cury ** 59:20 talk like a fish. More on there. Maybe. No, I really don't know. I don't know. I think about that sometimes, what it always seems to be a question, what? Really it's a question, What mistakes did you make in life that you wish you hadn't done? What door you wish Yeah, you would open that you didn't? Yeah, and I really don't, I don't know. I can't think of anything that I would do differently and maybe and that I think there's a weakness, because surely there must be things like that. I think a lot of things that happen to one in life anyway have to do with luck. That's not, sort of not original. But I was surprised to hear one day there was a. It. Obama was being interviewed by who was by one of the guys, I've forgotten his name that. And he was talking about his career, and he said he felt that part of his success had been a question of luck. And I very surprised to hear him say that. But even with, within with my career, I think a lot of it had to do with luck I happen to meet somebody that right time. I didn't meet somebody at the right time. I think, I think if I were to do so, if you would, you did ask the question, and I'd be out more, I would be pitching more. I think I've been lazy in that sense, if I wanted to do more that. And I've come to the West Coast quicker, but I was doing a lot of was in New York and having a good time   Michael Hingson ** 1:00:50 Well, and that's important too, yeah. So I don't know that I changed, I Yeah, and I don't know that I would find anything major to change. I think if somebody asked me that question, I'd say, tell my younger self that life is an adventure, enjoy it to the fullest and have fun.   Ivan Cury ** 1:01:12 Oh, well, that's yes. That was the I always believe that, yeah, yeah. It's not a question for me, and in fact, it's one of the things I told my kids that you Abraham Lincoln, you know, said that really in it, in a way a long time ago. He said that you choose you a lot of what you way you see your life has to do with the way the choices you make about how to see it, right? Yeah, which is so cool, right? And one of the ways you might see it says, have fun,   Michael Hingson ** 1:01:39 absolutely well, Ivan, this has been absolutely fun. We've been doing it for an hour, believe it or not, and I want to thank you for being here. And I also want to thank everyone who is listening for being with us today. I hope you've enjoyed this conversation, and I'd love to hear what your thoughts are. Please feel free to email me. I'd love to hear your thoughts about this. Email me at Michael h i at accessibe, A, C, C, E, S, S, i, b, e.com, so Ivan, if people want to reach out to you, how do they do that?   Ivan Cury ** 1:02:10 Oh, dear. Oh, wait a minute, here we go. Gotta stop this. I curyo@gmail.com I C, u, r, y, o@gmail.com There you go. Cury 1r and an O at the end of it, not a zero. I curyo@gmail.com Yeah.   Michael Hingson ** 1:02:30 Well, great. Well, thank you again, and all of you wherever you're listening, I hope that you'll give us a great review wherever you're listening. Please give us a five star review. We appreciate it, and Ivan, for you and for everyone else listening. If you know anyone else who ought to be a guest on our podcast, love to hear from you. Love an introduction to whoever you might have as a person who ought to come on the podcast, because I think everyone has stories to tell, and I want to give people the opportunity to do it. So once again, I want to thank you, Ivan, for being here. We really appreciate it. Thanks for coming on and being with us today. Thank you.   1:03:10 You have been listening to the Unstoppable Mindset podcast. Thanks for dropping by. I hope that you'll join us again next week, and in future weeks for upcoming episodes. To subscribe to our podcast and to learn about upcoming episodes, please visit www dot Michael hingson.com slash podcast. Michael Hingson is spelled m i c h a e l h i n g s o n. While you're on the site., please use the form there to recommend people who we ought to interview in upcoming editions of the show. And also, we ask you and urge you to invite your friends to join us in the future. 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Send us a message! Really!THIS WEEK on the Get More Smarter Podcast, we always said that Gabe Evans would deport his own grandparents if it meant he could get elected to congress, and now we have proof! Then, the Epstein Files finally seem to be the scandal that Trump can't slither out from…so far. Speaking of which, Lauren Boebert finally got a chance to vote to release those same Epstein Files which she's been demanding since she first ran for office back in 2020, so, how did she vote? Then, Colorado's Attorney General Phil Weiser has filed more suits than a Men's Wearhouse! Then, there's benzene in the groundwater and arsenic in the soil, can you guess which vaunted and totally safe Colorado industry put them there? Probably the same industry bankrolling Right Wing interest groups to try to fuck up the state budget even worse than it already is! And finally, we've got some great listener feedback to share with you, but you'll have to stick around to the end of the episode to hear it! That's it for this episode! If you loved watching and/or listening to it as much as we loved recording it, you can thank us by subscribing to the pod wherever you listen, following us over on New Old Twitter AKA Bluesky, subscribing to our shiny new channel on YouTube, smashing that subscribe button on our Substack, and sharing this episode with your friends, your enemies, and your 8th favorite Member of Congress from Colorado! THANK YOU so much for listening, and we'll see you next time!

Zach is a longtime listener, and let's just say he's been taking notes over the years. We got his story of starting from the ground up, to eventually buying his local print shop. At about the halfway mark, armed with a long list of questions for your favorite screen printing podcast, the roles are reversed, and Dylan gets in the hot seat. Topics of discussion include: college fraternity and sorority markets, buying a print shop, hiring consultants, work life balance, weaknesses, error rates, shop visits, seminars, and comedies.

This week the two laugh cats Tom and Julie dive deep into Liver King's tragic spiral leading up to his arrest for ‘terroristic threats' against Joe Rogan. Not to mention, in honor of July 4th this week, they watched some very American clips including Head from Korn's collab with Mike Huckabee, a demonic Big Mouth Billy Bass, and they found out what Dan Aykroyd has planned for his Independence Day celebrations. Plus, Tom responds to backlash against his Alamo Drafthouse take, and Julie shares why she got banned from Neiman Marcus. CLIPS FROM THIS WEEK'S EPISODE: -Liver King arrested https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1937893751491526809 -Head from Korn x Mike Huckabee collab https://www.tiktok.com/@numetal_moment/video/7279179950387858734 -Demonic Billy Big Mouth Bass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHchmWsrfUo -Disco's new wheels https://www.instagram.com/p/DLT0EMqu8q4/ Patreon is the best way to support Double Threat! Your support keeps the show going and we appreciate it more than we can say. Plus you get weekly bonus episodes, access to monthly livestreams, and more! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://patreon.com/doublethreatpod⁠⁠⁠⁠ WATCH VIDEO CLIPS OF DOUBLE THREAT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@doublethreatpod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ JOIN THE DOUBLE THREAT FAN GROUPS *Discord⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://discord.com/invite/PrcwsbuaJx⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ *Reddit⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.reddit.com/r/doublethreatfriends/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ *Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/groups/doublethreatfriends⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SEND SUBMISSIONS TO ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠DoubleThreatPod@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW DOUBLE THREAT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/doublethreatpod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/doublethreatpod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ DOUBLE THREAT IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/double-threat⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Theme song by Mike Krol Artwork by Michael Kupperman 00:00 Intro 1:05 Adam ruins everything calendar 5:40 Tom and Julie start a theater company 17:28 Tom responds to backlash against his Alamo Drafthouse take 29:09 Celebrity Deathmatch 33:09 Liver King arrested 55:36 Dan Aykroyd's 4th of July plans 59:50 Disco's new wheels 1:11:16 Head from Korn x Mike Huckabee collab 1:18:07 Demonic Billy Big Mouth Bass 1:23:20 The Broadway Melody 1:28:06 Tom gets banned from Alamo Drafthouse 1:29:54 Julie's Neiman Marcus letter 1:37:31 Favorite frozen yogurt toppings 1:46:18 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week the two laugh cats Tom and Julie dive deep into Liver King's tragic spiral leading up to his arrest for ‘terroristic threats' against Joe Rogan. Not to mention, in honor of July 4th this week, they watched some very American clips including Head from Korn's collab with Mike Huckabee, a demonic Big Mouth Billy Bass, and they found out what Dan Aykroyd has planned for his Independence Day celebrations. Plus, Tom responds to backlash against his Alamo Drafthouse take, and Julie shares why she got banned from Neiman Marcus. CLIPS FROM THIS WEEK'S EPISODE: -Liver King arrested https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1937893751491526809 -Head from Korn x Mike Huckabee collab https://www.tiktok.com/@numetal_moment/video/7279179950387858734 -Demonic Billy Big Mouth Bass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHchmWsrfUo -Disco's new wheels https://www.instagram.com/p/DLT0EMqu8q4/ Patreon is the best way to support Double Threat! Your support keeps the show going and we appreciate it more than we can say. Plus you get weekly bonus episodes, access to monthly livestreams, and more! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://patreon.com/doublethreatpod⁠⁠⁠⁠ WATCH VIDEO CLIPS OF DOUBLE THREAT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@doublethreatpod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ JOIN THE DOUBLE THREAT FAN GROUPS *Discord⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://discord.com/invite/PrcwsbuaJx⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ *Reddit⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.reddit.com/r/doublethreatfriends/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ *Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/groups/doublethreatfriends⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SEND SUBMISSIONS TO ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠DoubleThreatPod@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW DOUBLE THREAT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/doublethreatpod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/doublethreatpod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ DOUBLE THREAT IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/double-threat⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Theme song by Mike Krol Artwork by Michael Kupperman 00:00 Intro 1:05 Adam ruins everything calendar 5:40 Tom and Julie start a theater company 17:28 Tom responds to backlash against his Alamo Drafthouse take 29:09 Celebrity Deathmatch 33:09 Liver King arrested 55:36 Dan Aykroyd's 4th of July plans 59:50 Disco's new wheels 1:11:16 Head from Korn x Mike Huckabee collab 1:18:07 Demonic Billy Big Mouth Bass 1:23:20 The Broadway Melody 1:28:06 Tom gets banned from Alamo Drafthouse 1:29:54 Julie's Neiman Marcus letter 1:37:31 Favorite frozen yogurt toppings 1:46:18 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode dives into the disappointing reality of Men's Wearhouse today. We're talking plummeting quality, ill-fitting garments despite their "tailoring" promises, and customer service nightmares. CONQUER SHYNESS

This week on the Experience, Jim talks about John Laurinaitis flipping on Vince McMahon, Meltzer star ratings for Double Or Nothing, Paul Heyman, the early days of wrestling on tv, ratings, and more! Plus Jim reviews AEW Dynamite & Dark Side Of The Ring's Muhammad Hassan episode! Thanks to our episode sponsors: RAYCON: Go to buyraycon.com/jce to get 15% off sitewide! SHOPIFY: Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at shopify.com/jce Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this special live episode, Mark and Taylor sit down in person to riff on one of their shared obsessions: sales. But this isn't your typical sales 101 chat. It's raw, real, and full of battle-tested strategies that have helped them close deals from cars to real estate to STR investments.Here's what they dive into:Why “assuming the close” only works if you believe in your productThe “cancer pill” mindset that will transform how you sellHow to uncover and use the power dynamic in two-person sales conversationsThe underrated brilliance of Men's Wearhouse sales strategyWhy you should never book client calls at 12:00 or 12:30“Choice of two positives,” “calendar closes,” and other tricks you'll want to stealWhen and how much pressure to apply—and how to make it match your personalityThe one universal reason someone doesn't buy from youWhy storytelling beats pitching every timeWhether you're running sales for your STR business, pitching investors, or just trying to close more life deals—this episode will sharpen your edge.Biggest takeaway? Sales is just a transfer of emotion. So be real, believe in your offer, and go close.__Episode Sponsored By:STR SearchSTR Search is the industry leading property finder service. They've helped investors acquire over 215 profitable STRs across the US. If you'd like the data professionals to help you find your next STR, reach out to STRsearch.com

What does wellbeing look like in the corporate world—and how can companies truly support the personal growth of their employees?  In this episode of Musing on Wellbeing, Charlie Brelser is joined by Richie Goldman, Co-Founder of Men's Wearhouse, author, marketing strategist, and writer of Curmudg. Together they explore the intersection of career, mindfulness, and meaningful connection. It's a conversation that reminds us that professional success doesn't have to come at the cost of personal wellbeing.  This episode will give listeners powerful takeaways about the value of authentic leadership, the impact of a supportive work environment, and the importance of aligning personal values with professional choices.  Richie's embrace of meditation, volunteerism, and focusing on what's within one's control offers a meaningful roadmap for anyone seeking a more grounded and purpose-driven life. Check out his writing, Curmudg, on Substack: https://curmudg.substack.com/.  Musing on Wellbeing is sponsored by EH Walkers. Discover more and join EH Walkers at www.ehwalkers.org. Charlie Bresler is a former business executive, co-founder of the nonprofit The Life You Can Save, and a self-described effective hedonist. As a psychologist, Charlie emphasizes the importance of aligning personal pleasure with doing good, rejecting the notion of self-sacrifice in favor of a fulfilling, values-driven life.  

Come join us at the Jensen Dental (https://jensendental.com/) booth during the FDLA Southern States Symposium & Expo (https://www.fdla.net/attendee-information) - June 13-14 at Signia by Hilton Orlando Bonnet Creek in Orlando, FL Register today at: FDLA.NET We save a conversation from the Ivoclar (https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us) Ballroom at Lab Day Chicago to release this week so if you are at Lab Day West (https://lmtmag.com/lmtlabdaywest) you can go meet Mark Hidde from WINWINGO.com (https://www.winwingo.com/). Mark comes on to talk about owning a lab and seeing the struggles to find good talent. So he created a website where labs can create a profile to look for technicians and technicians can post that they are looking for a good lab. It's a different approach to a much-needed service in our industry. Then we have a conversation with Chris Nevarez. Chris started his dental career with Patterson. From warehouse to customer service, Chris started to really understand the ins and outs of clinical dentistry. After his mother needed some dental work, Chris found a way for her medical insurace to help cover a lot of the cost. Now he is doing this for patients and clinics. The best part about all of this is that if more people have access to care, then that is more cases coming to the labs. Take it from Laura Prosser, the digital marketing manager for Ivoclar North America (https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us). She would like to invite you to start following them on Instagram. It's your chance to obtain exclusive updates on product announcements, industry news, upcoming educational events, and heartwarming stories about our local team and industry professionals. Let's get social together. Simply start following us on Instagram @Ivoclar.na (https://www.instagram.com/ivoclar.na/). We'll see you there. Special Guests: Mark Hidde and Chris Nevarez.

Carolyn Pollock is a visionary brand builder who has transformed some of the most iconic brands in North American retail. As Chief Marketing Officer at Tailored Brands (parent company of Men's Wearhouse and Jos. A. Bank), Carolyn led a sweeping brand and creative relaunch, reshaping customer perceptions and driving measurable gains in awareness, consideration, and loyalty.Known for her bold approach to social and influencer marketing, she helped Tailored Brands claim 26% of all TikTok impressions in men's apparel and increased social ROAS by 23%, all while leading a 25% improvement in overall marketing ROI. She combines creative instinct with data-driven execution—whether it's building campaigns that spark conversation or scaling performance strategies that deliver growth.Carolyn previously served as Managing Partner at RevelOne, and held brand leadership roles at eBay, Thumbtack, and Timbuk2. She's a frequent advisor to industry leaders like Google and Salesforce, and was recently named to Adweek's AI Trailblazers Power 100.

Note: "Act 2" will be a separate published audio podcast.*Check out EZ's morning radio show "The InZane Asylum Q100 Michigan with Eric Zane" Click here*Get a FREE 7 day trial to Patreon to "try it out."*Watch the show live, daily at 8AM EST on Twitch! Please click here to follow the page.Email the show on the Shoreliners Striping inbox: eric@ericzaneshow.comTopics:*EZ and "The Hype Train." WTF is a "Hype Train?"*EZ previews the "Who Are These Free Beers?" ep 045 - Show Spelling Bee*Karl from "Who Are These Podcasts?" joins EZ to discuss the Paul McCartney shit show.*EZ discusses a hilarious Reddit thread that accuses EZ and Pooh Bear of being horrible people. Jeremy comes to the rescue.*More recall of the "Gary from the Men's Wearhouse incident."*Did Pooh Bear and EZ discuss son, Jim's crank on the radio?*Bill Burr does a stupid rant on billionaires. EZ does a great rant on Bill BurrSponsors:Grand Rapids Gold, TAG Accounting, Green Medicine Shop, Werner Roofing,Impact Power Sports, Frank Fuss / My Policy Shop Insurance, Kings Room Barbershop, The Mario Flores Lakeshore Team of VanDyk Mortgage, Shoreliners Striping, Ervines Auto Repair Grand Rapids Hybrid & EV, TC PaintballInterested in advertising? Email eric@ericzaneshow.com and let me design a marketing plan for you.Contact: Shoreliners Striping inbox eric@ericzaneshow.comDiscord LinkEZSP TikTokSubscribe to my YouTube channelHire me on Cameo!Tshirts available herePlease subscribe, rate & write a review on Apple Podcastspatreon.com/ericzaneInstagram: ericzaneshowTwitterSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-eric-zane-show-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Note: "Act 1" was a separate published audio podcast.*Check out EZ's morning radio show "The InZane Asylum Q100 Michigan with Eric Zane" Click here*Get a FREE 7 day trial to Patreon to "try it out."*Watch the show live, daily at 8AM EST on Twitch! Please click here to follow the page.Email the show on the Shoreliners Striping inbox: eric@ericzaneshow.comTopics:*Free Beer makes a cheeky reference to EZ*The odd demise of Jan Michael Vincent...Airwolf!*College basketball player's jersey retirement is embarrassing failure.*Nobody needs AM radio, but congress is trying to make it still available in cars.*EZ's take on The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.*Student who survived Michigan State school shooter incident suing school for $50 mill.*Sicko Mom abandons kids who then forget how use toilets.*The time an audience member said "the N word."*Hype begins for retelling of "The Gary from the Men's Wearhouse" story.*Asshole of the Day BTYB TC PaintballSponsors:TAG Accounting, Green Medicine Shop, Impact Power Sports, Kuiper Tree Care, Frank Fuss / My Policy Shop Insurance, Kings Room Barbershop, The Mario Flores Lakeshore Team of VanDyk Mortgage, Shoreliners Striping, Ervines Auto Repair Grand Rapids Hybrid & EV, TC PaintballInterested in advertising? Email eric@ericzaneshow.com and let me design a marketing plan for you.Contact: Shoreliners Striping inbox eric@ericzaneshow.comDiscord LinkEZSP TikTokSubscribe to my YouTube channelHire me on Cameo!Tshirts available herePlease subscribe, rate & write a review on Apple Podcastspatreon.com/ericzaneInstagram: ericzaneshowTwitterSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-eric-zane-show-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Dec. 6, 2024 Radio call of Goodrich Martians at Owosso Trojans Basketball Game at The Wearhouse Gymnasium. Casey Smith P-X-P and Joe Smith Color

Meet Alek Alek Catlett is a manager in EY's AI & Data consulting practice, where he has worked for the past 4 years. Alek helps his clients solve complex problems where the customer and data meet. Prior to EY, Alek spent 6 years at Tailored Brands, parent company to Men's Wearhouse, Jos. A. Bank, and Moores. Alek is also a graduate of the first Masters of Science in Customer Experience Management in North America from Michigan State University.

Meet Alek Alek Catlett is a manager in EY's AI & Data consulting practice, where he has worked for the past 4 years. Alek helps his clients solve complex problems where the customer and data meet. Prior to EY, Alek spent 6 years at Tailored Brands, parent company to Men's Wearhouse, Jos. A. Bank, and Moores. Alek is also a graduate of the first Masters of Science in Customer Experience Management in North America from Michigan State University.

Note: "Act 2" will be a separate published audio podcast.*Check out EZ's morning radio show "The InZane Asylum Q100 Michigan with Eric Zane" Click here*Get a FREE 7 day trial to Patreon to "try it out."*Watch the show live, daily at 8AM EST on Twitch! Please click here to follow the page.Email the show on the Shoreliners Striping inbox: eric@ericzaneshow.comTopics:*It's "Cover Wednesday" on Q100. EZ Podcast listeners seem to think that means shitty versions of songs.*Free Beer's fantasy makes it onto the radio.*Blood Moon 2 review is tonight!*NFK news.*More hype for the re-broadcast of "The Gary from the Men's Wearhouse" story that will be published on Monday 11/4/24*EZ needs to post something in his business.*Michigan and Michigan State are going to be in garbage bowl games.*The latest Jameson Williams drama.Sponsors:Werner Roofing, Estate-Wise, Impact Power Sports, Frank Fuss / My Policy Shop Insurance, Kings Room Barbershop, A&E Heating and Cooling, The Mario Flores Lakeshore Team of VanDyk Mortgage, Shoreliners Striping, Ervines Auto Repair Grand Rapids Hybrid & EV, TC PaintballInterested in advertising? Email eric@ericzaneshow.com and let me design a marketing plan for you.Contact: Shoreliners Striping inbox eric@ericzaneshow.comDiscord LinkEZSP TikTokSubscribe to my YouTube channelHire me on Cameo!Tshirts available herePlease subscribe, rate & write a review on Apple Podcastspatreon.com/ericzaneInstagram: ericzaneshowTwitterOur Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/ZANE* Check out Uncommon Goods and use my code ZANE for a great deal: www.uncommongoods.comSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-eric-zane-show-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Note: "Act 1" was a separate published audio podcast.Double Note: I lost power so the podcast ends abruptly.*Get a FREE 7 day trial to Patreon to "try it out."*Watch the show live, daily at 8AM EST on Twitch! Please click here to follow the page.Email the show on the Shoreliners Striping inbox: eric@ericzaneshow.comTopics:*Continuing to review "Blood Moon 2."*Rogan laughs in Trump's face. Trump not happy.*Pussies need therapy because of "election anxiety."*Michigan QB retiring because he's beat to shit.*Muppity floppity basketball leg break.*EZ's hype for the Monday, 11/4 Not the Best of Show that will feature the "Gary from the Men's Wearhouse story."*Tech issue shortened the show!Sponsors:Werner Roofing, Kuiper Tree Care, Berlin Raceway, Vouch,  Frank Fuss/ My Policy Shop Insurance, A&E Heating and Cooling, The Mario Flores Lakeshore Team of VanDyk Mortgage, Shoreliners Striping, Blue Frost IT,Interested in advertising? Email eric@ericzaneshow.comContact: Shoreliners Striping inbox eric@ericzaneshow.comDiscord LinkEZSP TikTokSubscribe to my YouTube channelHire me on Cameo!Tshirts available herePlease subscribe, rate & write a review on Apple Podcastspatreon.com/ericzaneInstagram: ericzaneshowOur Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/ZANE* Check out Uncommon Goods and use my code ZANE for a great deal: www.uncommongoods.comSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-eric-zane-show-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Matt Repicky, Chief Brand Officer of Tailored Brands – known for Men's Wearhouse and Jos. A. Bank – shares what he's learned about making iconic brands more culturally relevant. With a career trajectory that included Accenture to Amazon, a stint in Pharma, even leading global brand marketing for the Barbie brand at Mattel, I call Matt a "marketing polymath." (Don't blink and miss his star turn in "Tiny Shoulders" - the great documentary on evolving Barbie's very shape.)   Learn what Matt's learned -- going from dolls to men. In his current home of the past five years he's been modernizing marketing for men's fashion, which he's done through keeping tabs on culture and leveraging customer insights, evolving the brand messaging with a refreshing use of humor... He's taken the Men's Wearhouse from "like" to LOVE. Matt has also switched up the overall Tailored Brands media mix – from heavy direct mail to embracing TikTok and Pinterest and podcasting. When he shared his POV on DOOH I had to pop in with my new segment called, "The Inside Scoop!" For its launch on Insider Interviews, I happened to speak to Barry Frey, the CEO of trade association, DPAA, for a five minute download on how DOOH is doing attribution and programmatic, to growing the careers of out-of-homers.   And, big reminder: this was only a five minute deep dive. You'll want to head to their Global Video Everywhere conference on 10/15 in NYC for a full day of downloads.  Back to Matt, he described where they are with Retail Media and how they apply the cultural zeitgeist to messaging. Through it all, Matt is proud to lean in to Tailored Brands' purpose-driven campaigns, such their "Threads of Valor" supporting Veterans' organizations, and living his own personal brand through mentorship and supporting LBGTQIA.  And, being true to my personal brand, I manage to inject a little singing and a childhood story about MY Barbie into this otherwise smart and informative conversation! Key Moments: 00:30 Meet Matt Repicky: Chief Brand Officer at Tailored Brands 01:21 Matt's Career Journey and Marketing Insights – from Accenture to Amazon 03:00 Guiding the Barbie Transformation and Honoring Culture 07:13 Modernizing Men's Wearhouse and Joseph A. Bank 13:25 Exploring Media Trends – From Digital Out of Home to TikTok 15:31 Inside Scoop: Digital Out of Home with Barry Frey 22:08 Tailored Brands' Test & Learn Approach to Media and Customer Engagement 26:35 Brand Purpose – DEIB to Veterans Organizations – to Personal Purpose 30:26 Walk Down Memory Lane – with Song and Childhood Stories 32:10 Applying Experience to Marketing Impact Connect with Matt Repicky: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrepicky Follow Men's Wearhouse: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/menswearhouse TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@menswearhouse Connect with Barry Frey: https://www.linkedin.com/in/barryfrey1/ Connect with Insider Interviews: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/insiderinterviews Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/InsiderInterviewsPodcast/ YouTube: https://bit.ly/InsiderInterviews-YouTubePlaylist LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mossappeal Threads: https://www.threads.net/@insiderinterviews  X: https://x.com/InsiderIntervws And, please share, rate, like this podcast. Support more free content and… BuyMeACoffee    

In this insightful 5-minute segment, Chris Walton and Anne Mezzenga sit down with Chuck Anderson-Weir, Senior Director of Measurement Solutions at Ovative, to discuss the latest EMR (Enterprise Marketing Return) Power Rankings. Link to power rankings: https://ovative.com/insights/2024-media-power-rankings/ Discover the marketing trends that are driving incremental revenue, customer acquisition, and long-term brand equity for retailers. Learn how digital video platforms like CTV and YouTube are rising in the rankings, thanks to their ability to drive in-store traffic and provide full-funnel marketing solutions. Chuck shares examples of retailers like Men's Wearhouse and Torrid, who are leveraging digital video to increase their marketing ROI by up to 20%. Explore the potential of shoppable TV ads, as seen with Amazon Prime Video, and how this technology is catching up to meet consumer engagement preferences. Chuck also predicts that influencer and creator marketing will flip the entire marketing planning cycle on its head by 2025, as retailers become more data-driven and customer-centric. Don't miss out on these valuable insights that could help your retail business stay ahead of the curve in the ever-evolving marketing landscape. #EMRPowerRankings #RetailMarketing #DigitalVideo #InfluencerMarketing #CreatorMarketing #ShoppableTVAds #Ovative #ChrisWalton #AnneMezzenga #RetailIndustryPredictions #2025RetailTrends Music by hooksounds.com Sponsored Content

The Tim Corrimal Show Episode 746 – June 9, 2024 On episode 746 of The Tim Corrimal Show, I am joined at the round table with Joe (Joseph Santorsa on Facebook and @Marnus3@mstdn.party on Mastodon) from The Poorly Written Political Blog, Francie (@Francie57 on Twitter and @Francie57@mastodon.social on Mastodon), Sue (@841920meema6 on Twitter and @SueInRockville@mstdn.social on Mastodon) and https://bren-books.com, […] The post Episode 746 – MAGA Wearhouse first appeared on The Tim Corrimal Show.

Scottie Scheffler is the Masters golf champion and the winner of his second iconic green jacket.

Was Michael Strahan always going to be a ubiquitous presence—from Good Morning America host to NFL commentator to having his own line of clothing at Men's Wearhouse? Maybe—but if you ask him, he would tell you it wouldn't have happened were it not for his move from Texas to New York. There was also another thing: winning a Super Bowl. On this episode of The Deal, the ex-football Giant says trial by fire in the most unforgiving of sports towns set him on the path to success in everything else. Strahan has put together a post-NFL career that's unique for its simultaneous proximity and distance from the game. On one hand, there he is every Sunday during the season, jawing with a coterie of ex-players and coaches on Fox NFL Sunday. But during the week, he's a co-host of Good Morning America, alongside Robin Roberts and George Stephanopoulos. Then there are the apparel lines with JCPenney and Men's Wearhouse, and an annual collaboration with Starter for the Super Bowl. His co-architect in all of this is Constance Schwartz-Morini, a former NFL executive-turned-manager who's also worked with Snoop Dogg, Erin Andrews and Deion Sanders. Much of that work has come under the auspices of SMAC Entertainment, the firm Strahan and Schwartz-Morini created in 2011. We also got a chance to sit down with Schwartz-Morini, who is our guest on episode three of The Deal, dropping March 15.You can also watch The Deal on Bloomberg Originals, YouTube, or Bloomberg TV.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Lords: * Ryan * Alexander Topics: * Getting so agitated that you cook dinner * What's an acquired taste that's worth acquiring? What's one that's not worth the effort? What's the point of even "acquiring" a taste for anything when there are probably infinite options you don't have to teach yourself to enjoy? * Texturally enhanced alternative beverage * Bagme Bloma * https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Bagme_Bloma Microtopics: * How the science gets done. * Measuring the height of a flagpole by measuring its shadow. * Using calculus to find the surface area of a potato. * Measuring and re-measuring until you get the result you want. * Confronting your professor about their involvement in Frog Fractions 2. * Country and Western music fused with synth heavy prog rock. * Using the gun to parallel park. * That time Ryan died while recording Topic Lords. * Getting so agitated that you do some differential equations. * New guy just dropped: guy who whenever he thinks about death he has to make a sandwich. * The first step towards rejecting a task: assessing the task. * Today is a good day to fill your Prius with snakes. * The Raccoon Prius story. * Hilarious mothers. * The inside of a Prius: nothing but corners. * Officer, it's not what you think. No, not that either. * Putting the AC on so the python in the back seat gets sluggish. * Getting a fork and spoon and twirling up snakes like spaghetti. * A taste worth busting your ass for. * An oral history of tricking alcohol post your tongue. * An entire generation that has never had to work to enjoy things because there are so many things that are easy to enjoy. * Twelve year olds from Alabama calling you a cuck. * New ideas that you haven't been thinking of even without looking at your phone. * Hiking: it's just hard walking. * Getting so agitated that you developed a taste for hiking. * The guy in the Fred Meyer buying Reese's cups while wearing a tuxedo. * The Men's Wearhome. * The Men's Wearhouse employee who is not allowed to tell you that they don't have anything for fat people so he brings out less and less flattering outfits until you take the hint. * Orbitz. (The soft drink from 1996.) * A proto-boba. * Drinking a random test tube from a bioengineering lab. * What if everyone had a number floating above their heads that represented the number of times they had to drink Orbitz before they developed a taste for Orbitz and now that Orbitz is out of production everyone's number stays the same forever * Big Dick's Energy. * Flavor-blasted slushies. * The sense-horror of drinking an Orbitz. * Shelf-stable tapioca pearls. * A free-to-play game for your tongue. * Texturally subdued beverages. * Decaf Red Bull. * The hypothetical beverage enthusiast who wants a decaf Red Bull. * How to make Orbitz in your toilet. * How many Orbitz you have to drink to reach Nirvana. * eBay sellers insisting that you don't drink the thirty year old novelty beverage they're selling you. * Thinking a poem is a Middle Earth thing but it's actually a regular Earth thing. * Poetry that is alliterative rather than rhyming. * Making art by fucking around with a new medium. * Music in a foreign language. * What Simlish sounds like in different languages. * A quest to discover why they started dotting the letter Y. * Expecting scrolls in 3 to 5 days.

*The Grand Rapids Gold are back! Sunday 11/12 Home Opener. Saturday 11/18 Red Panda in the house. Get tix HERE*Get a FREE 7 day trial to Patreon to "try it out."Sign up here to access "Who Are These Free Beers?"*Watch the show live, daily at 8AM EST on Twitch! Please click here to follow the page.Email the show on the Shoreliners Striping inbox: eric@ericzaneshow.comTopics:*Show notes: Friday will be eventful as I'm featuring "Not the Best of The EZSP." That show will have the full, first telling of the "Gary from the Men's Wearhouse" story. It will also feature the nonsense that was the saga of "Z Speed Mobile Mechanic."*Wednesday is a "Big Fraud Wednesday." We'll feature "Who Are These Free Beers?" which will include the two calls from the EZSP Universe getting on their "virtual live at night" debacle. Get the show FREE on my Patreon.*Kevin Brennan pissed off the world by making fun of Matthew Perry.*Kevin Brennan from 23 years ago.*Local pal of EZ saves a ladies life by donating a kidney! *Dear Meathead!*All sorts of drama as I'm being accused of being an asshole because Diana slept in the other room last night!*Pooh Bear being a stubborn jackass over a COVID test.*Cluster bomblet found at a Goodwill.Sponsors:The Grand Rapids Gold, Kings Room Barbershop, Excellent Installation, Frank Fuss/ My Policy Shop Insurance, Ervine's Auto Repair Grand Rapids Hybrid and EV, A&E Heating and Cooling, The Mario Flores Lakeshore Team of VanDyk Mortgage, Shoreliners Striping, Interested in advertising? Email eric@ericzaneshow.com and let me design a marketing plan for you.Contact: Shoreliners Striping inbox eric@ericzaneshow.comDiscord LinkEZSP TikTokSubscribe to my YouTube channelHire me on Cameo!Tshirts available herePlease subscribe, rate & write a review on Apple Podcastspatreon.com/ericzaneInstagram: ericzaneshowTwitterOur Sponsors:* Check out Factor 75 and use my code zane50 for a great deal: https://www.factor75.com/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-eric-zane-show-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Jerry from Bay Area Metal Fab (BAMF) is stepping up once again and saving the off-road community. A few years ago when Pelfrey Built when under and hosed everyone that had orders. BAMF whet in and bought the entire Wearhouse and tried to give the bumpers back to the people who were left high and dry. That was a few years ago, but today we are in the middle of the same situation with Vagabond Outdoors completely disappearing and leaving customers with out any answers. BAMF is once again coming up to bat and trying to help those that are getting stiffed. Bay Area Metal Fab: Website, Instagram, YouTube Bay Area Metal Fab - Vagaboned T-Shirt: Buy One To Support What Happened To Pelfrey Built: Toyota Tundra's Forum, Tacoma World Want to win some Tires? Our friends over at Yokohama are donating a set of tires for the winner at 750 Apple Podcast reviews. Also, just like before we will be giving away swag packs at every 50 until we get to the main giveaway. All reviews need to be left on Apple Podcast to be entered. Congratulations to TannerIsCooler for winning the 550 reviews swag pack. CALL US AND LEAVE US A VOICEMAIL!!!! We want to hear from you even more!!! You can call and say whatever you like! Ask a question, leave feedback, correct some information about welding, say how much you hate your Jeep, and wish you had a Toyota! We will air them all, live, on the podcast! +01-916-345-4744. If you have any negative feedback, you can call our negative feedback hotline, 408-800-5169. 4Wheel Underground has all the suspension parts you need to take your off-road rig from leaf springs to a performance suspension system. We just ordered our kits for Kermit and Samantha and are looking forward to getting them. The ordering process was quite simple and after answering the questionnaire to ensure we got the correct and best-fitting kits for our vehicles. If you want to level up your suspension game, check out 4Wheel Underground. Episode 439 is brought to you by all of our peeps over at patreon.com and irate4x4! Make sure to stop by and see all of the great perks you get for supporting SnailTrail4x4! Discount Codes, Monthly Give-Aways, Gift Boxes, the SnailTrail4x4 Community, and the ST4x4 Treasure Hunt! Thank you to all of those who support us! We couldn't do it without you guys (and gals!)! Who doesn't love tools? This month we are giving away over $200 of Gearwrench Tools. We have a set of Bolt Biters (15 pc kit) 1/4 Drive and 3/8 Drive sizes in a plastic carrying case, a set of Bolt Biter Screw Extractors (10 pc kit) 5 extractors and the 5 required drills, and a set of Ratcheting T-Handles (33 pc kit) with hex heads, Phillips head and many more. If you want to attempt to win this giveaway you need to be signed up on irate4x4 SnailSquad. Get ready for the gift box tier to be opening in October! This also means we are giving away two gift boxes this month as the giveaway items. Huge thanks for all the support and sponsors for this gift box and were excited to share it with everyone. More to be revealed about the gift box in October, so get ready and sign up today. If you want to attempt to win this giveaway you need to be signed up on irate4x4 SnailSquad. Listener Discount Codes: MORRFlate - snailtrail to get 10% off MORRFlate Multi Tire Inflation Deflation™ KitsIronman 4x4 - snailtrail20 to get 20% off all Ironman 4x4 branded equipment!Sidetracked Offroad - snailtrail4x4 (lowercase) to get 15% off lights and recovery gearSpartan Rope - snailtrail4x4 to get 10% off sitewideShock Surplus - SNAILTRAIL4x4 to get $25 off any order!Mob Armor - SNAILTRAIL4X4 for 15% offSummerShine Supply - ST4x4 for 10% off4WheelUnderground - snailtrail for 5% Midroll Music by ComaStudio

Hosts Peanut Tillman and Roman Harper are back with the Season 2 premiere of the NFL Players: Second Acts podcast. They're joined by former Jets franchise quarterback and current FOX Sports broadcaster Mark Sanchez. In a wide-ranging interview, Mark reminisces on his time in the Hard Knocks spotlight with the Jets, how he's navigated the spotlight since he's been in high school, and how the Men's Wearhouse saved his White House state dinner experience. This is just the beginning of what's to come on this season of the NFL Players: Second Acts podcast.    Listen/watch here:  Apple Podcasts: https://rb.gy/658yz iHeart: https://rb.gy/qfbxu YouTube: https://rb.gy/057z3 0:00 - Show starts2:13 - Mark Sanchez's thoughts on the Jets being on “Hard Knocks” this year and recalls his experience being on the show in 20109:14 - Mark Sanchez discusses his experience and tells stories about his time at the White House state dinner15:00 - Mark Sanchez gives his greatest NFL accomplishment17:04 - Mark Sanchez on being a rookie quarterback with the Jets on a heavily veteran team20:47v- Mark Sanchez explains what it was like being in the spotlight all the way from high school and on27:33 - Mark Sanchez talks about when he knew it was time to retire and then how he transitioned straight to TV29:35 - Mark Sanchez discusses doing the broadcast bootcamp30:31 - Mark Sanchez hits on a penalty he got for cut blocking Jonathan Vilma37:01 - Mark Sanchez talks about the other skills he's gained in his growth as a broadcaster38:25 - Mark Sanchez gives calls that he's messed up on-air42:44 - Mark Sanchez talks about his long-term goals as a broadcaster45:04 - Mark Sanchez expand on his podcast with Nick Mangold and how it's helped him as a broadcaster48:32 - Mark Sanchez talks about the most outrageous purchases he had when he got to the league51:19 - Mark Sanchez on his welcome to the NFL moment53:36 - Mark Sanchez on his welcome to marriage moment56:34 - Mark Sanchez gives who's on his personal Mount Rushmore1:00:45- End of podcast  **NOTE: Time codes are approximate See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hosts Peanut Tillman and Roman Harper are back with the Season 2 premiere of the NFL Players: Second Acts podcast. They're joined by former Jets franchise quarterback and current FOX Sports broadcaster Mark Sanchez. In a wide-ranging interview, Mark reminisces on his time in the Hard Knocks spotlight with the Jets, how he's navigated the spotlight since he's been in high school, and how the Men's Wearhouse saved his White House state dinner experience. This is just the beginning of what's to come on this season of the NFL Players: Second Acts podcast.    Listen/watch here:  Apple Podcasts: https://rb.gy/658yz iHeart: https://rb.gy/qfbxu YouTube: https://rb.gy/057z3 0:00 - Show starts2:13 - Mark Sanchez's thoughts on the Jets being on “Hard Knocks” this year and recalls his experience being on the show in 20109:14 - Mark Sanchez discusses his experience and tells stories about his time at the White House state dinner15:00 - Mark Sanchez gives his greatest NFL accomplishment17:04 - Mark Sanchez on being a rookie quarterback with the Jets on a heavily veteran team20:47v- Mark Sanchez explains what it was like being in the spotlight all the way from high school and on27:33 - Mark Sanchez talks about when he knew it was time to retire and then how he transitioned straight to TV29:35 - Mark Sanchez discusses doing the broadcast bootcamp30:31 - Mark Sanchez hits on a penalty he got for cut blocking Jonathan Vilma37:01 - Mark Sanchez talks about the other skills he's gained in his growth as a broadcaster38:25 - Mark Sanchez gives calls that he's messed up on-air42:44 - Mark Sanchez talks about his long-term goals as a broadcaster45:04 - Mark Sanchez expand on his podcast with Nick Mangold and how it's helped him as a broadcaster48:32 - Mark Sanchez talks about the most outrageous purchases he had when he got to the league51:19 - Mark Sanchez on his welcome to the NFL moment53:36 - Mark Sanchez on his welcome to marriage moment56:34 - Mark Sanchez gives who's on his personal Mount Rushmore1:00:45- End of podcast  **NOTE: Time codes are approximate See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hosts Peanut Tillman and Roman Harper are back with the Season 2 premiere of the NFL Players: Second Acts podcast. They're joined by former Jets franchise quarterback and current FOX Sports broadcaster Mark Sanchez. In a wide-ranging interview, Mark reminisces on his time in the Hard Knocks spotlight with the Jets, how he's navigated the spotlight since he's been in high school, and how the Men's Wearhouse saved his White House state dinner experience. This is just the beginning of what's to come on this season of the NFL Players: Second Acts podcast.    Listen/watch here:  Apple Podcasts: https://rb.gy/658yz iHeart: https://rb.gy/qfbxu YouTube: https://rb.gy/057z3 0:00 - Show starts2:13 - Mark Sanchez's thoughts on the Jets being on “Hard Knocks” this year and recalls his experience being on the show in 20109:14 - Mark Sanchez discusses his experience and tells stories about his time at the White House state dinner15:00 - Mark Sanchez gives his greatest NFL accomplishment17:04 - Mark Sanchez on being a rookie quarterback with the Jets on a heavily veteran team20:47v- Mark Sanchez explains what it was like being in the spotlight all the way from high school and on27:33 - Mark Sanchez talks about when he knew it was time to retire and then how he transitioned straight to TV29:35 - Mark Sanchez discusses doing the broadcast bootcamp30:31 - Mark Sanchez hits on a penalty he got for cut blocking Jonathan Vilma37:01 - Mark Sanchez talks about the other skills he's gained in his growth as a broadcaster38:25 - Mark Sanchez gives calls that he's messed up on-air42:44 - Mark Sanchez talks about his long-term goals as a broadcaster45:04 - Mark Sanchez expand on his podcast with Nick Mangold and how it's helped him as a broadcaster48:32 - Mark Sanchez talks about the most outrageous purchases he had when he got to the league51:19 - Mark Sanchez on his welcome to the NFL moment53:36 - Mark Sanchez on his welcome to marriage moment56:34 - Mark Sanchez gives who's on his personal Mount Rushmore1:00:45- End of podcast  **NOTE: Time codes are approximate See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hosts Peanut Tillman and Roman Harper are back with the Season 2 premiere of the NFL Players: Second Acts podcast. They're joined by former Jets franchise quarterback and current FOX Sports broadcaster Mark Sanchez. In a wide-ranging interview, Mark reminisces on his time in the Hard Knocks spotlight with the Jets, how he's navigated the spotlight since he's been in high school, and how the Men's Wearhouse saved his White House state dinner experience. This is just the beginning of what's to come on this season of the NFL Players: Second Acts podcast.    Listen/watch here:  Apple Podcasts: https://rb.gy/658yz iHeart: https://rb.gy/qfbxu YouTube: https://rb.gy/057z3 0:00 - Show starts2:13 - Mark Sanchez's thoughts on the Jets being on “Hard Knocks” this year and recalls his experience being on the show in 20109:14 - Mark Sanchez discusses his experience and tells stories about his time at the White House state dinner15:00 - Mark Sanchez gives his greatest NFL accomplishment17:04 - Mark Sanchez on being a rookie quarterback with the Jets on a heavily veteran team20:47v- Mark Sanchez explains what it was like being in the spotlight all the way from high school and on27:33 - Mark Sanchez talks about when he knew it was time to retire and then how he transitioned straight to TV29:35 - Mark Sanchez discusses doing the broadcast bootcamp30:31 - Mark Sanchez hits on a penalty he got for cut blocking Jonathan Vilma37:01 - Mark Sanchez talks about the other skills he's gained in his growth as a broadcaster38:25 - Mark Sanchez gives calls that he's messed up on-air42:44 - Mark Sanchez talks about his long-term goals as a broadcaster45:04 - Mark Sanchez expand on his podcast with Nick Mangold and how it's helped him as a broadcaster48:32 - Mark Sanchez talks about the most outrageous purchases he had when he got to the league51:19 - Mark Sanchez on his welcome to the NFL moment53:36 - Mark Sanchez on his welcome to marriage moment56:34 - Mark Sanchez gives who's on his personal Mount Rushmore1:00:45- End of podcast  **NOTE: Time codes are approximate See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hosts Peanut Tillman and Roman Harper are back with the Season 2 premiere of the NFL Players: Second Acts podcast. They're joined by former Jets franchise quarterback and current FOX Sports broadcaster Mark Sanchez. In a wide-ranging interview, Mark reminisces on his time in the Hard Knocks spotlight with the Jets, how he's navigated the spotlight since he's been in high school, and how the Men's Wearhouse saved his White House state dinner experience. This is just the beginning of what's to come on this season of the NFL Players: Second Acts podcast.    Listen/watch here:  Apple Podcasts: https://rb.gy/658yz iHeart: https://rb.gy/qfbxu YouTube: https://rb.gy/057z3 0:00 - Show starts2:13 - Mark Sanchez's thoughts on the Jets being on “Hard Knocks” this year and recalls his experience being on the show in 20109:14 - Mark Sanchez discusses his experience and tells stories about his time at the White House state dinner15:00 - Mark Sanchez gives his greatest NFL accomplishment17:04 - Mark Sanchez on being a rookie quarterback with the Jets on a heavily veteran team20:47v- Mark Sanchez explains what it was like being in the spotlight all the way from high school and on27:33 - Mark Sanchez talks about when he knew it was time to retire and then how he transitioned straight to TV29:35 - Mark Sanchez discusses doing the broadcast bootcamp30:31 - Mark Sanchez hits on a penalty he got for cut blocking Jonathan Vilma37:01 - Mark Sanchez talks about the other skills he's gained in his growth as a broadcaster38:25 - Mark Sanchez gives calls that he's messed up on-air42:44 - Mark Sanchez talks about his long-term goals as a broadcaster45:04 - Mark Sanchez expand on his podcast with Nick Mangold and how it's helped him as a broadcaster48:32 - Mark Sanchez talks about the most outrageous purchases he had when he got to the league51:19 - Mark Sanchez on his welcome to the NFL moment53:36 - Mark Sanchez on his welcome to marriage moment56:34 - Mark Sanchez gives who's on his personal Mount Rushmore1:00:45- End of podcast  **NOTE: Time codes are approximate See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hosts Peanut Tillman and Roman Harper are back with the Season 2 premiere of the NFL Players: Second Acts podcast. They're joined by former Jets franchise quarterback and current FOX Sports broadcaster Mark Sanchez. In a wide-ranging interview, Mark reminisces on his time in the Hard Knocks spotlight with the Jets, how he's navigated the spotlight since he's been in high school, and how the Men's Wearhouse saved his White House state dinner experience. This is just the beginning of what's to come on this season of the NFL Players: Second Acts podcast.    Listen/watch here:  Apple Podcasts: https://rb.gy/658yz iHeart: https://rb.gy/qfbxu YouTube: https://rb.gy/057z3 0:00 - Show starts2:13 - Mark Sanchez's thoughts on the Jets being on “Hard Knocks” this year and recalls his experience being on the show in 20109:14 - Mark Sanchez discusses his experience and tells stories about his time at the White House state dinner15:00 - Mark Sanchez gives his greatest NFL accomplishment17:04 - Mark Sanchez on being a rookie quarterback with the Jets on a heavily veteran team20:47v- Mark Sanchez explains what it was like being in the spotlight all the way from high school and on27:33 - Mark Sanchez talks about when he knew it was time to retire and then how he transitioned straight to TV29:35 - Mark Sanchez discusses doing the broadcast bootcamp30:31 - Mark Sanchez hits on a penalty he got for cut blocking Jonathan Vilma37:01 - Mark Sanchez talks about the other skills he's gained in his growth as a broadcaster38:25 - Mark Sanchez gives calls that he's messed up on-air42:44 - Mark Sanchez talks about his long-term goals as a broadcaster45:04 - Mark Sanchez expand on his podcast with Nick Mangold and how it's helped him as a broadcaster48:32 - Mark Sanchez talks about the most outrageous purchases he had when he got to the league51:19 - Mark Sanchez on his welcome to the NFL moment53:36 - Mark Sanchez on his welcome to marriage moment56:34 - Mark Sanchez gives who's on his personal Mount Rushmore1:00:45- End of podcast  **NOTE: Time codes are approximate See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hosts Peanut Tillman and Roman Harper are back with the Season 2 premiere of the NFL Players: Second Acts podcast. They're joined by former Jets franchise quarterback and current FOX Sports broadcaster Mark Sanchez. In a wide-ranging interview, Mark reminisces on his time in the Hard Knocks spotlight with the Jets, how he's navigated the spotlight since he's been in high school, and how the Men's Wearhouse saved his White House state dinner experience. This is just the beginning of what's to come on this season of the NFL Players: Second Acts podcast.    Listen/watch here:  Apple Podcasts: https://rb.gy/658yz iHeart: https://rb.gy/qfbxu YouTube: https://rb.gy/057z3 0:00 - Show starts2:13 - Mark Sanchez's thoughts on the Jets being on “Hard Knocks” this year and recalls his experience being on the show in 20109:14 - Mark Sanchez discusses his experience and tells stories about his time at the White House state dinner15:00 - Mark Sanchez gives his greatest NFL accomplishment17:04 - Mark Sanchez on being a rookie quarterback with the Jets on a heavily veteran team20:47v- Mark Sanchez explains what it was like being in the spotlight all the way from high school and on27:33 - Mark Sanchez talks about when he knew it was time to retire and then how he transitioned straight to TV29:35 - Mark Sanchez discusses doing the broadcast bootcamp30:31 - Mark Sanchez hits on a penalty he got for cut blocking Jonathan Vilma37:01 - Mark Sanchez talks about the other skills he's gained in his growth as a broadcaster38:25 - Mark Sanchez gives calls that he's messed up on-air42:44 - Mark Sanchez talks about his long-term goals as a broadcaster45:04 - Mark Sanchez expand on his podcast with Nick Mangold and how it's helped him as a broadcaster48:32 - Mark Sanchez talks about the most outrageous purchases he had when he got to the league51:19 - Mark Sanchez on his welcome to the NFL moment53:36 - Mark Sanchez on his welcome to marriage moment56:34 - Mark Sanchez gives who's on his personal Mount Rushmore1:00:45- End of podcast  **NOTE: Time codes are approximate See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Cliff Scott, the President & CEO of The Scott Group and longtime agency executive. This continues our "What Your Agency Wants to Tell You But Won't" series. Cliff discusses the difference between being a tactical leader versus a strategic leader and why understanding the business outcomes, consumer emotions and marketplace behaviors are more important than optimizing the tools. Key topics include understanding "Why versus What," the fact that few companies have marketing objectives, why "emotional messaging" beats "practical" messaging, and how the RFP process is often poorly managed. Don't miss the discussions on the auto industry, Men's Wearhouse and "Why messaging strategy is like teenage sex." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Eddie Rodriguez, CFC, is a 30+ year successful, serial entrepreneur, and has been a Certified Franchise Consultant for over 15 years. Eddie is the Founder/CEO of The Franchise Tailor, a franchise consulting group that helps people find their best next life via franchise ownership. We find the best fit opportunities for people looking to take charge of their destiny while seeking more freedom and a better work-life balance. Eddie began his entrepreneurial journey in the fashion industry and after working for big Companies, started his own business, Wilke-Rodriguez, a very successful menswear brand which was sold globally. Eddie eventually sold Wilke-Rodriguez to an industry giant, The Men's Wearhouse. Over 15 years ago, Eddie began his franchise consulting life to meet one of his goals of helping people looking to find a better professional life or a second income stream as a passive investor. Eddie is also an esteemed member of The Forbes Coaches Council; and, has helped hundreds of people find their best fit franchise to build their next best life via franchising. Eddie also helps successful local businesses become a National brand by franchising their business. In essence, Eddie loves matching people with opportunities that meet their expressed financial and lifestyle goals. Eddie is affiliated with the # 1 franchise network that represents over 500 of the best franchise brands in the US. Eddie lives in Miami, Fl with his wife, Kimberly. They have a beautiful daughter, Isabel, who is in College in upstate NY. Eddie loves outdoor activities like biking, playing pickleball and tennis; and is passionate about most sports, especially his beloved soccer. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thecareerevangelist/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thecareerevangelist/support

⁉️ It's time for a quick round of Loaded Questions featuring questions about Snapchat's new AR initiative for Men's Wearhouse, consumer confusion over phrases like "Powered by AI" and more. Brought to you by Taskin, the first name in ultra-stylish, premium-quality travel gear for

Snapchat made its name with silly augmented-reality filters, or lenses, as it calls them. In recent years, it’s expanded into shopping, enabling users to try on clothing, jewelry and makeup in the app. The company, now called Snap, has started selling this technology to other businesses. Snap announced this week that it’s pushing AR tools into the real world, bringing AR mirrors to some Men’s Wearhouse and Nike stores in the U.S. ​Marketplace’s Meghan McCarty Carino went to the company’s headquarters in Santa Monica, California, to try the tech out, and spoke with Carolina Arguelles Navas, Snap’s head of AR product strategy, and Brian Cavanaugh, director of project management and business development at Fishermen Labs.

Snapchat made its name with silly augmented-reality filters, or lenses, as it calls them. In recent years, it’s expanded into shopping, enabling users to try on clothing, jewelry and makeup in the app. The company, now called Snap, has started selling this technology to other businesses. Snap announced this week that it’s pushing AR tools into the real world, bringing AR mirrors to some Men’s Wearhouse and Nike stores in the U.S. ​Marketplace’s Meghan McCarty Carino went to the company’s headquarters in Santa Monica, California, to try the tech out, and spoke with Carolina Arguelles Navas, Snap’s head of AR product strategy, and Brian Cavanaugh, director of project management and business development at Fishermen Labs.

I am fascinated by the number of persons I have had the honor to interview on Unstoppable Mindset who have a diagnosis that was made during their adult years related to some kind of neurodivergent situation. Most all have said that the later diagnoses came about due both to a more educated world as well as a greater acceptance of what we view as mental disorders. Chelsea Hartner is such a person. Like others we have met, Chelsea has used her diagnosis to take a leadership position concerning educating others about and promoting acceptance of issues such as ADHD and autism. Chelsea is quite engaging and was quite willing to tell her powerful story and how she became a DEI program manager for North America for Allegis Global Solutions, a leading workforce solutions provider to over 100 countries worldwide. She provides many insights into what companies, HR personnel and in fact all of us can do to create a more inclusive environment not only for persons diagnosed with any neurodivergent issue but for anyone who is different from what we think of as the norm of society. This interview is powerful and will definitely inspire you to be more open to exploring hiring anyone different than you. I look forward to learning your thoughts. About the Guest: Chelsea Hartner is a dedicated leader, neurodivergent advocate, and diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) practitioner. She currently works at Allegis Global Solutions, a leading workforce solutions provider to over 100 countries worldwide, as a DEI Program Manager for their North American region. She focuses on driving DEI initiatives that directly impact the organization's people and culture. Through her work, she aspires to minimize obstacles for people of all diverse identities to have equitable opportunities to reach their full potential in the workplace and find belonging. Chelsea's recent accomplishments include earning awards in DEI in her previous role and achieving contest milestones for her efforts in supporting STEM recruitment. Additionally, Chelsea is most proud of an article she recently published on LinkedIn outlining how best to support folks with neurodivergence in the workplace using examples from her diagnosis journey entitled Neurodivergence: Inclusively Leading Evolution's “Specialist Thinkers.” Outside of her work, Chelsea is currently pursuing her MBA at Western Governors University. In her free time, she is an avid foodie and enjoys travel. She loves going to concerts, listening to podcasts, and spending time with her husband and two cats. As a 2013 vocal performance graduate from the University of Michigan Flint, she is also very passionate about music and the arts. You can connect with Chelsea or stay up with her work by following her on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelsea-hartner-vernarsky-a296b711a/ How to Connect with Chelsea: My LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelsea-hartner-vernarsky-a296b711a/ My article on neurodivergence: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/neurodivergence-inclusively-leading-evolutions-hartner-vernarsky/?trackingId=8t82dTuKTgKcgqAGi%2BQBXA%3D%3D About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog. Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards. https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/ accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/ Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below! Subscribe to the podcast If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can also subscribe in your favorite podcast app. Leave us an Apple Podcasts review Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts. Transcription Notes Michael Hingson  00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i  capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson  01:20 Well, hi, once again, thanks for being here. And this is another episode of unstoppable mindset. Today, we get to chat with Chelsea Hartner. We've been working at this for a little while getting it all set up. We've had to postpone a couple of times for one thing or another. And we can't even blame the weather, although it's always fun to try to do that. But nevertheless, here we are. And Chelsea works in the world of diversity, equity and inclusion. I'm looking forward to having lots of chats about that. Dealing with neuro divergence, looking forward to chatting about that, and anything else that Chelsea wants to talk about. So Chelsea, welcome to unstoppable mindset. Thanks for being here.   Chelsea Hartner  02:02 Hi, thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here.   Michael Hingson  02:05 Well, then let's just start by you telling us a little bit as I love to do about you growing up where you came from, and all those usual kinds of things that kind of got you started where you are.   Chelsea Hartner  02:19 Yeah, absolutely. So I have I'm born and raised in Michigan. I have stayed here pretty much my whole life. I've done some travel. But other than that, the Great Lakes keep calling me back. So I stay in this area here. Um, I grew up I was I was born in a city called Grand Rapids on the west side of the state of Michigan. You said you've been there? Yeah,   Michael Hingson  02:44 I did a speech there. Several years ago, the Lions Club sponsored me to come and do a speech. And there were some celebrations going on, I think was around September 11, actually, and it was a Boy Scout function. But they had me come and speak. So yeah, I've been there.   Chelsea Hartner  02:58 That's Grand Rapids is one of my favorite cities. Still. I wish I never moved, but gotta move where your parents take you and your child's parents. Yeah, those parents. But eventually, I ended up moving to a small town in Mid Michigan. And that was pretty much where I was born and raised, which is, it's called a Wasco. It's a small town just in the middle of the state. And then I grew up there with two older sisters, my parents, and I pretty much have always been involved with various different activities. I was acquired nerd. So I studied classical music since I was eight. And I've always been in choirs and performing and singing and doing community theater. And that eventually led me to college where I went and moved to Flint for the University of Michigan Flint where I studied vocal performance.   Michael Hingson  03:55 How'd that all work out?   Chelsea Hartner  03:58 Well, I'm in DNI now. So definitely was a transition for me changed   Michael Hingson  04:03 alone guy. Yeah. Why did you? Why did you do that? What What kept you from not only getting that degree, but then continuing down that path and being in a music career.   Chelsea Hartner  04:16 There were a lot of factors. I think, predominantly, one of the largest ones was it just really wasn't the lifestyle at the end of the day that I really wanted. I had a lot of various life circumstances that kind of played into changing deciding to change directions after college. And one of those was deciding, you know, I wanted to have a family. I wanted to be a little bit more settled. I didn't want to have to keep auditioning and never really know where where my next job is going to be because when you pursue things like opera, when there's when when singers are at and Opera House performing, they're auditioning for their next gig. So they're auditioning for, they're always auditioning, there's never like consistency. And it just got to a point to where I just realized, I couldn't do that it wasn't something I want, I couldn't afford to do that into. I just, I wanted to have a family and wanted consistency, I wanted benefits. And so at the time, I was selling suits, I was working at Men's Wearhouse selling suits. And I was working very closely with my store manager. And he helped me to discover that one of my biggest passions was relating to people and building relationships and making an impact in people's lives. And so I started to think about, well, maybe I want to do HR, maybe I want to go down that route. But it was really difficult to build a career and that when you don't have a degree in it, it's very, very hard. And then recruiting came up with a friend. And they were like, you don't want to do HR HR is too much paperwork you want to do recruiting. So I started looking into recruiting jobs. And when I ended up finding a recruiting position, it ended up being pretty life changing for me because it eventually led me to D and I, while I was there, I was recruiting for the last five years. And as a recruiter, I was also pulled into a lot of conversations within diversity, equity and inclusion. And then I started leading it for my team. And then I was a chair for my team. And then I was pulled into our executive council right before I left for a program manager role in it. So it was quite a good zigzag. I call it a zigzag. It was a good zigzag to get to where I'm at today.   Michael Hingson  06:50 So when you were a Men's Wearhouse, did you ever get to meet George?   Chelsea Hartner  06:54 Oh, no, he sadly was no longer there when he sold there. Yeah, I've heard I've heard so many good stories about him. No,   Michael Hingson  07:03 I, I remember some of the old original Men's Wearhouse commercials with with him. And I know that he sold it. And he's no longer there. But but I've occasionally gone to get some suits and things and Men's Wearhouse. And I've actually found people who did get a chance to meet him. And they say the same thing that the stories have all been very positive.   Chelsea Hartner  07:26 Yeah, he was a he was a good influence on that store a good leader at that time.   Michael Hingson  07:31 Well, everybody moves on. So you know, so you. So you are now a program manager? So what is a program manager in terms of being different than what you used to do?   Chelsea Hartner  07:44 That's a great question. So I have always done production roles. Sales is production recruiting is production. It's all about how many? How many calls you make, how many people you talk to, you know, in recruiting, it's, it's always about how many people are you helping to get jobs, you know, there's a lot of just milestones that you have to be hitting from hourly, weekly, sometimes monthly basis quarterly, you know, there's just always, these are our numbers. And we have to maintain these numbers, or these are our daily goals and things like that. And program management is not production. So it is not like fast paced, it's not urgent, it is very strategic, it is change management, it is building relationships, making changes and are making influential and strategic changes. And a lot of that is more spaced out over time. It's a lot. It can be frankly, it can be slower. But it tends to be more rewarding, because the impact is bigger once like that program has been achieved. What are the whatever that might look like?   Michael Hingson  08:58 So is that a program essentially, within your company, as opposed to doing recruiting? Or do you still get involved in recruiting directly? Are you now kind of helping to shape policy in a lot of ways?   Chelsea Hartner  09:10 I'm more I'm more involved with our DNI specific initiatives. So it's not so I don't I don't support recruiting anymore. I've done some, some additional updates, like on some of our recruiter training, but I haven't showed that but I don't specifically support that. So my primary focus in my with my team is within. So I guess I'm backing up a bit because it's a lot easier to explain this way. So we prioritize our initiatives within three pillars. So we have workforce, workplace and marketplace. And each one of those has a different focus. And so it's probably easier to think of it more like the people of the organization, the environment of the organization and how we impact our Customer, I specifically focus within the environment and the people buckets. And so my initiatives and goals are all about driving effective change in strategy across the organization as it relates to DNI for our people, that eventually will also impact our environment.   Michael Hingson  10:19 So for you, how did you get involved in really doing dei kind of work? It because that's clearly a whole lot different than vocal and even directly recruiting and so on, what kind of was what pushed you to do that?   Chelsea Hartner  10:37 I had somebody pull me into it. Um, so I had an instance where I felt like I wanted to quit. And I wasn't very, I didn't feel like I was I was having a, I didn't feel like I was fitting in with my team, I didn't feel like I was making deep connections with my team, I was really struggling with being able to find meaning, just specifically within the culture of my team. And I went to one of the, like, there was only a handful of female leaders in our office at that time. And I mean, this was five years ago. So a lot has changed since then. A lot has changed since. And I went to, I went to her it and I just kind of shared with her what I was struggling with and where I was that and she said, you know, Chelsea, I think the reason why you don't feel like you're you fit in is because you're not meant to fit in, you're here to change things. And I'd really like you to, you know, join me in the next DNI call that I like, you can shadow me on the nasty and I call that I have with the company. And so that was really how I got into it. It really wasn't anything that I had initially initiated because they didn't understand it. I came from a background that didn't even have DNI. So I had no idea what this even was. And I was in here I am thrown into a team that actually really, really does a lot of work within DNI. And but I was still new. And so I still didn't understand it. And so ever since she pulled me into it, I started to shadow her meetings and listen to the phone calls and kind of the things that they were talking about it about, and I would translate it back to my office into my team. And then I eventually started to lead in that capacity across the team and help develop more diverse hiring initiatives. And then I started to help with just kind of thinking through diversity and inclusion and what that meant for our specific pocket of recruiting and, and training and development. And then eventually, an opportunity opened up at our sister company where I'm at now. And that's how I eventually came over there. Because there, there was an opening for program manager and I had all this experience that I was doing on the side to my recruiting role that prepared me for this.   Michael Hingson  13:10 So the whole idea of recruiting and the whole environment that you had certainly had to help prepare you for doing this, which is I think what you're saying,   Chelsea Hartner  13:21 totally, yeah, there's a big element in recruiting that I think is highly underestimated. And it's really just building true authentic relationships with people. I think that the best recruiters out there actually build authentic relationships with their people, they know their contractors, they have they have they build the rapport with them from the beginning throughout their contract work at the at the client. And that ultimately, at the end of the day was the most rewarding part about being a recruiter. But doing the work with my team ended up ended up supplementing my my y as Simon Sinek likes to likes to talk about the y and that that's a really big thing with me is the y. And for me specifically, it got to a point to where I had I felt like I really mastered recruiting, I felt like okay, I'm good. I you know, I've hit some milestones, I've won some I've won some acknowledgments here. But I think it's time for me to to look and see what else I could do that makes a bigger impact. And my why change for me in those five years of recruiting from making an impact with helping people find their next career to helping people in the organization find their next career because I wanted people in the organization to start feeling a better sense of belonging and to feel that there's an opportunity for them across the organization. And so that kind of shifted for me, and that's when I was like, Okay, I think it's time for me to step out of recruiting and actually move into this other area.   Michael Hingson  15:01 Well, you also mentioned to me when last we chatted, and I think it's in your bio, that you had a medical diagnosis that probably has had some impact on you. Can you maybe talk about that a little?   Chelsea Hartner  15:14 Yeah, definitely. Um, so in 2020, like most people, I started seeing a therapist. I think that there's just a lot of things that were kind of kind of catapulting me to seek additional help. At the time, my fiance and I had to push our wedding back, because we were supposed to get married in 2020. And we had to push it back. And there was just a lot going on. And I was really struggling through it. And I started seeing a therapist, who I actually found through my company's EAP program. So to anybody who's listening or watching, if your company has an EAP program, I highly recommend that you look into it. He is EAP is part of the benefit program   Michael Hingson  16:04 understands, but it stands for oh, that's a great.   Chelsea Hartner  16:07 Oh, you got me. I actually don't know what it stands for. But I can share that with you.   Michael Hingson  16:12 Program or something like that. Yeah, I think   Chelsea Hartner  16:14 I pretty sure you're right. But that's how I found my my therapist, and she brought up to me I was having a pretty deep session. I don't quite remember what exactly he was talking about at the time. And but she just brought up have you ever been diagnosed for ADHD? And I was really taken aback. I actually kind of got a little defensive. Initially, I was like, no, no, I haven't. I haven't been diagnosed for that. No, nobody's brought that up. No, that's not me. But my sister's have ADHD. And she's like, really, they have ADHD? And so why haven't you know? Like, why haven't you looked into it? Like have you just had has it just not ever come up. And it's not that I hadn't ever come up. It's I think that my sisters when they were both diagnosed, they both encouraged me to look into it. And at the time, I was like, No, I'm not not hyperactive, bouncing off the walls, you know, all the stigmas that come with ADHD, little like young boys in elementary school. Like, that's initially where my head went. And it was really awful. Like looking back, and realizing that this stigma that I had about ADHD actually limited me for so long with getting my own diagnosis, and potentially my own support for years. Could have really helped, but it probably in many ways did hold me back that I just didn't notice. But after, you know, after she brought it up, I talked to my sisters about it again, because this was the first therapists like I've been in and out of therapy, I've always kind of like I promote therapy. And I'm a big, big proponent of mental wellness. And I've been and I've always seen therapists off and on, but none of them have brought this up. And so I talked to my sisters about it in more detail. And I started to do a lot of research, a lot of research, just an astronomical amount of research on what ADHD is, how the symptoms really show up, especially in especially for females or for people that are socialized as females. And I think that I eventually just kind of said, Okay, I think I'm ready to explore this a little more. So she referred me to somebody and it was confirmed that I have combined ADHD. And I got that diagnosis in 2020. And that definitely has impacted has played a major role actually, in my career and how I approach work, and just about everything that I do now, I think that it's just having the blinders pulled off my eyes, has just really confronted me like I'm constantly in confrontation with it in a positive way, just like acknowledging the real elements of who I am for the first time in my life.   Michael Hingson  19:17 So you weren't diagnosed for a long time. And I will tell you I've had a number of people on unstoppable mindset who have been in the same kind of position that is they didn't get diagnosed until later in life for whatever reason. But how has it made a difference for you what maybe I should start and go back a little bit what are kind of the things that demonstrate and manifested that you had ADHD? So what what kinds of experiences do you did you have that led people to diagnose you with it and that is in terms of your, your personal experiences.   Chelsea Hartner  19:55 I think some of the most common ones for sure are impulsivity, impulsivity. He is a huge symptom in various ways. But for me, it was specifically within behavior. Like there's just a lot of like behavioral impulsive, react like impulsive reactions, struggling with emotional regulation. executive function was a big one executive function by far shows up the most as a project program manager than I think I've ever experienced before. And I well, and that might not be true now that I'm saying not just because I know for sure it impacted my education, because I was a fairly mediocre student, I was very, very average. But I struggled in this in the school in the schoolwork. And in the classes that required a lot of steps, like math, chemistry, jump, like all of those ones, where there's just a lot of steps, it was very difficult for me to actually put the right thing or to put things together in the sequences that it needed to do to get the correct answer. And I definitely struggle with over rumination. So I think one term that comes up a lot for ADHD within the ADHD community is rejection sensitive dysphoria. So like having this innate sensitivity to just rejection and just overwhelm and increased anxiety and a lot of times, especially within females, and people that are raised as females that we struggle with anxiety and depression. And oftentimes, those are comorbidities to our ADHD, but they can often disguise their ADHD symptoms, which is also one of the reasons why a lot of our diagnoses are in our adulthood, when our structure and our systems in place have been jolted like COVID, for example, when COVID came all of my structure and and processes and system and routine out the window gone. And it just made life hectic and chaotic and overwhelming, and very difficult for me to process. And that eventually exposed What I didn't realize I had my whole life. Until that moment.   Michael Hingson  22:20 Yeah, it's, it's, it's fascinating to hear about it. As I said, I've had other people on the podcast who have talked about it too. And that once once they realize, and once you discovered what was really going on, it had to bring some peace to your world, I would think sometimes. Well, at least you know what's going on?   Chelsea Hartner  22:47 Yeah, you know, and I think and, you know, speaking vulnerably I would imagine, you know, anybody listening that this might, might resonate with them, I think that, um, initially, there was a lot of feelings of shame. If there was a lot of feelings of feeling just like I missed out, like I could have had, I could have had support, I could have had necessary accommodations, I could have had so much more help. Had I known sooner, I would have been able to explain a lot of the things that I don't know how to explain an advocate for myself today. If I would have known years ago, because I would have been, I would have lived with it for so much longer. And not that I'm haven't lived with it this whole time, but in the acknowledgement of living with it. And you kind of go through this feat, this period. I've heard I've heard other women express this, that you kind of go through this period of almost like mourning, because it's like a total jolt to your identity. Like you, you don't realize that it really does. It really it really does impact who you are and how you see yourself. And then when you end up having those neurodivergent moments are those ADHD moments. Initially, once you start with once you can identify them and you you're able to acknowledge what's happening or what's going on in your mind or what you're struggling with is a symptom of your ADHD or your neuro divergence. It's kind of this initial feeling of just Shame, shame and upset, shame, disappointment upset, but then you eventually move through that. And I finally gotten to a point where it's not that I don't struggle with that because I definitely still do, but I'm able to acknowledge okay, like I have tools now to help me get through this moment to help me overcome this. And I can manage this moment And I know how to communicate this now to my manager on what I need and the support I'm looking for from them. And they're able to help provide that for me, because I'm able to advocate better for myself. But initially, it was very difficult. So sometimes there's peace, and sometimes there's still frustration.   Michael Hingson  25:23 Yeah, hopefully it lessens over time, but we all get locked into the shoulda, coulda, woulda kind of thing really tends to create a lot of problems rather than dealing with acceptance and recognizing, okay, there's nothing I could have done about this earlier, because I didn't know. And now it's time to move forward. But I would think that as you just described it, now that you have been given this, I'm gonna put it this way gift of a diagnosis that allows you to move forward and recognize more about you, that must make you a lot stronger program manager in dealing with diversity and inclusion in what you do on the job, because now you can deal with it from experience.   Chelsea Hartner  26:12 I appreciate I appreciate that. I hope it does. I mean, that's, you know, I hope that, uh, I use it as that. Because there's, especially within the disability community, it's so diverse, like, there are so many different layers and intersectionalities that meet within disability and the fact that really, disability is a minority group that it can impact any single person at any point in time in their life is astounding. So it's it's definitely something that has catapulted like, the things that I struggle with, and what I look at, and how, and how it impacts me, has helped me be able to be a bit bigger advocate a stronger voice, for other people with disabilities and other dimensions of diversity. Because there's just there's there is a different kind of, to your point, there is a different tie to it. Now, I'm invested in it in my self, as much as I'm invested in it for others, but there's but there is a different type, because I can identify a little bit closer to it.   Michael Hingson  27:25 The the whole idea of disability is so frustrating in some ways, because, as I put it, and I haven't seen a better way to put it yet. We don't recognize in the world that disability does not mean a lack of ability. And so unfortunately, if you were to be looking for a job, for example, and say you have a disability, you'll probably just be dismissed. Because we have such a prejudice about the word, when in reality, disability does not mean a lack of ability. It is a characteristic. But it is only a negative characteristic if we choose to allow it to be and if we allow others to decide that it's a negative and a problem. Because the reality what it really means is we're different, in some ways, but everyone is different. I love to tell on this podcast that in reality, every single person with eyesight has a disability, you guys are light dependent. And you don't get you don't get along well without light in your lives. And Thomas Edison invented the electric light bulb and the others who were involved in that invented the electric light bulb to hide your disability and give you light, day and night. But the reality is it doesn't change the fact that you have a disability, which gets to show up every time there's a power failure or anything like that.   Chelsea Hartner  28:47 Mm hmm. Yeah, I've heard you mentioned that I'm former podcast and you know, and it breaks my heart because I can't say that that's not true that that has not impacted people because the reality is, is that the reason why people say that they struggle with disclosing that they have a disability is because of the fear that they could be rejected from a job that they might not get, that they might not get the promotion that they're looking for, that they might not be taken seriously within their company is very real. I'm really thankful that I that I work for a company that's that is very inclusive, we encourage people to become to work as their authentic selves. Which is why I I am comfortable with disclosing and sharing openly about my neuro divergence and what I need. And that is one of the things like the fact that other people do experience that in their careers motivates me that much more within within this field to continue to pave the way that nobody will ever feel that way. Wherever I work,   Michael Hingson  30:02 yeah. And the fact is that the barriers start to break down. When the person who is different, the person with a so called Disability is involved in a job, and others get to know them. And I realized that the fear and the stigma about disclosing any kind of disability is strong. For some of us, we don't get that option. But but the fact of the matter is that once people really get to know us, and they accept us, then we have a much greater opportunity to disclose and educate. But the fact is that, again, disability should not mean lack of ability. And we've got to get society in general to accept that, which really means that we all have to work harder to educate, and to help people move along and become better and more informed than they are. And so bless you for what you're doing.   Chelsea Hartner  31:08 Thank you, you know, you said two things that that made me think you said, it's my ADHD coming in. So I'm trying to recall right now. So I'm just kind of tracing back a little bit. But one of the one of the things that you said, that just really stood out to me, and you said it a couple of times now is it doesn't mean in a disability doesn't mean inability. And I think that there's a breakdown where a lot of people still struggle with just using the terminology disability. And, and I think that the more consistent that we can be, and the more the more visible that we can be, the less we are, the more we'll continue to just break down those stigmas. stigmas, break down those those perceived notions of what that means. But the other thing that you mentioned was about the more they get to know you, right, and education. What I want to when I want to help limit is that that emotional way of education is on is on the person with a disability to educate their team like that that's an emotional weight that they should not be carrying. That's something that the leadership team needs to be prepared in advance on how to ensure that they're leading inclusively, and that their team is prepared on how to be inclusive team members, to whomever that person is that's joining their team. That's where DNI comes in to help create policies, but to also help provide tactical tools that leaders can use to to build an accommodating and inclusive workforce.   Michael Hingson  32:44 I would say that, the more comfortable each of us are with our differences, however, then the better we'll feel about being part of that educational process. I do think that, in reality, most of us are treated the way we are because of a lack of knowledge. And because there is fear, and I appreciate the fear. But the lack of knowledge is something that we're in the best positions to address, and change. Not that we're going to just go out and preach all the time, but but the fact is that we're the best teachers, if we're comfortable enough to be able to do that. And I think it's something that we do need to, you know, to look at, we shouldn't be hired as token teachers. But teaching is part of what we can do, and should do. So for example, I've talked to people who happen to be blind, who get very offended when someone comes up and talks with them about being blind. And what's it like and all that and, and some of the blindness related organizations have helped create those frustrations because of how they've treated blindness. But the fact is that if we get comfortable ourselves and recognize that we're the best teachers, and think about that and internalize it, then we are in a better position to move forward and help others understand really what's going on. And the reason I stick with using Disability is what are their terminology is are people talk about differently abled, I'm not differently abled. The fact that I'm blind doesn't make me differently abled, I'm still able in the same way I may use different techniques or a different product. But women and men do that all the time. Left handed people are different than right handed people in some ways, but you don't call them differently abled. Chris, you don't call them persons with disabilities necessarily all the left handed people are in a minority. But we've got to get beyond being uncomfortable saying that like it is   Chelsea Hartner  34:48 yeah. And that's, that is my that's my point is that the more transparent we can be, the more visible we can be. So that's how we break down those two ears and stick are stereotypes and stigmas. And I do understand your point in regards to like the education of women. Because, you know, from somebody within DNI there, there is a lens there where there are certain demographics and certain identity groups that they're tired. They're tired of carrying the load of educating they're sure. But I do think that there is an element of partnership and collaboration, that that some people that are comfortable with doing that can do that. But as a person of the DNI team, we don't want to put that expectation on our people to do that is   Michael Hingson  35:42 correct. It is something that we should want to do and do when we can. But we shouldn't be hired with that obligation in mind.   Chelsea Hartner  35:50 Right? Yep. And that's why it's really great when companies have employee resource groups or business resource groups, because employee resource groups will call them ERGs, and business resource groups, which are BRG. So, those groups of folks, when they have their communities, they're great platforms for helping to drive that inclusive culture and break down those barriers even further, because now you have a community, a group of people within your organization, who are speaking loudly for who they're representing, and helping to uplift and advocate for, for what they need.   Michael Hingson  36:31 Well, let's really get to a slightly different subject and get to the meat of all this and get to the real realities that we have to face. You have two cats. How do they fit into ADHD? They're always demanding.   Chelsea Hartner  36:44 Oh, I love my cats. They I mean, they love my ADHD because I'm always playing with   Michael Hingson  36:50 well, when and it's always about attention demand from a cat, right? So same thing.   Chelsea Hartner  36:57 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Rosie and Cedric and they are care. They're everything for me. I'm definitely a cat mom.   Michael Hingson  37:09 higher priority than husband since it fiance is now husband, right? Yeah. Did you guys get married?   Chelsea Hartner  37:15 We got married in April of 2021. All right. Yeah. So we got married a year later, we pushed it out to the spring. We were originally supposed to have a fall wedding and in 2020, and we had to, we had to cut the gasless which was really difficult. We had to cut it quite a lot just because of the requirements in the state. But we ended up having a beautiful wedding and the spring it was literally the only day the whole week. That didn't rain. It was beautiful.   Michael Hingson  37:41 That's great. Yeah, well, congratulations. So who has the higher rank in the pecking order? The cats who the husband?   Chelsea Hartner  37:50 Well, he would say the cats I don't know if I would argue with him.   Michael Hingson  37:56 I know hard cats are pretty demanding. We have one or I have one. My wife passed last month. So it's pretty sad. But the cat has decided that that I can serve its needs. So I am the the main person who carries out the wishes of she who must be obeyed at all times.   Chelsea Hartner  38:17 Yeah. Oh, you've been chosen?   Michael Hingson  38:21 Or co opted. But yeah. Well, so you in terms of all the fishes with disabilities and so on what what really got you to the point of accepting the ADHD and and that you really are different and that's okay.   Chelsea Hartner  38:44 Yeah, so, earlier this year, my company invested myself and a handful of our enable ERG leads. So enable is our persons with disabilities employee resource group, and we had several people from the globe that got the opportunity to attend disability and virtually this year and the whole topic like every topic that that was aired for us to be able to watch virtually was all about disclosure and visibility and and especially the importance as it applies to those in leadership so like manager roles, executive leader roles, Director roles like that we it's really, really important that especially when you're in a quote unquote, leader role, that you are that much more visible and authentic, because if if you're not, then you're not really establishing that it's safe for people to disclose their true selves with within the company. And there was a speaker, I wrote her name down because I knew I would forget. And her name is Ebony Thomas. She is the president Have Bank of America I believe a specific group, but I can't recall, I didn't write it down. But she works for Bank of America, me Thomas. And she specific I wrote verbatim, because they're close it out to me. You can't be your best self if you're hiding yourself. And that just really, really resonated. But like it just I think that at that time, I was still fighting against who I was this ADHD, how I was really impacting me, especially as a new program manager, because I was still really new in my role at the time I got the opportunity to, to attend this conference virtually. And that just like, resonated against all the walls in my head in my heart. And ever since then I was just kind of like, you know what I'm not, I'm not doing justice to anybody else that might be struggling with the things that I struggle with, or going through things, even bigger than what I'm going through, if I don't just step up and just own this, and visibly within my organization. And so that was when things really changed for me. And I just, I just decided, hey, this is who I am. And I have to own it, I have to own it in myself,   Michael Hingson  41:15 you internalized it and you made a decision. And that that's, I think, the biggest key to so many different things. I'm writing a book about fear. And that's one of the things that I talk about is internalizing and making decisions, we're so afraid, and we're taught to be afraid of so many things unexpected life changes, things that happen to us. And we just create these fears. And we don't learn how to allow our minds to step in and go wait a minute, do I need to be afraid of this? Or can I use the fear to help be a a motivator? And can I use it to help me learn more and make more intelligent decisions? Because when we become as I call it blinded by fear, we tend to get to the point where we can't make decisions, you clearly went a different way, which is great.   Chelsea Hartner  42:12 Yeah, I one thing that I definitely get from my dad is I am a bit of a fighter. I definitely have never, I've always been. I'm just really, I'm just really good at being able to, to shift the mindset, especially when it's needed. And I think that I just hit a wall of, I can't continue to be fixed mindset, like I have to, I have to open up I have to, I have to shift this or I'm just going to continue to spiral in anxiety and frustration. Until I until I own this and can accept this in myself. I can't expect anybody else to I can't expect anybody else to accept this part of me. Like I have to I have to accept it first.   Michael Hingson  43:05 I think you put it very well. mindset shift. It's all about mindset. And it is all about adopting a mindset that allows you to move forward and do what you really want to do. And so you've you've taken ownership, you've changed your mindset. And that's really pretty cool. Thanks. And I you know, you can't, can't argue with success with that. If If you had known at a younger age, about being ADHD, do you think it would have made a difference in what you're doing and changed your path and a lot of ways?   Chelsea Hartner  43:43 Um, sometimes sometimes I do, and sometimes I don't? What I be what I've end and I would I've ever gone into recruiting and staffing like would I have ever, you know, would I ever done those things? I have no idea. But some days, I think that had I known sooner, I probably would have gone to the unit to to a different university. Um, I probably would have stayed in music, at least for a while longer. I probably would have gotten my graduate degree in music. Because I would have been able to stick to it I think a little bit longer just just out of what was required for pursuing a graduate degree in music. There's a lot of extra additional work that that you have to go to that you have to build on that. And I think that being in pursuing especially classical music, there's a lot of executive functioning skills that you know, realize they're really needed in that industry and really needed in that field that had I known sooner, I might have had this the toolbox to help me manage Ah, but I don't know. But I don't know if I don't know if I would have stayed in music. But would I be in D? And I don't know either.   Michael Hingson  45:09 Yeah, cuz again, we get back to shoulda, coulda, woulda really doesn't help much? Well, you can speculate all day long. Yeah, but the other part about it is that if you really go back and look at your life, you can trace where you are from all the choices that you made? And would you have made different choices? Who knows? You know, maybe, but you also may have ended up exactly where you are. So it's, it's really just kind of one of those things you can think about. But that's about all you can do with it, because you're where you are, and you're being successful, which is as good as it gets, I think.   Chelsea Hartner  45:44 Yeah, and I think it's about really just trying, I don't, I've heard this phrase before, and I, I feel really bad when I can't credit people that I that I hear phrases from so grow where you're planted. I think that that's really, I think that that's really instrumental, especially when, especially just in general, like, especially when your life took a turn that it wasn't in that you had never intended it to take, right. Like I, I thought since I was eight, I was going to move to New York and be an opera singer and travel the world and, and that was just not what happened when I turned 22. You know, like, my life just took a different path. And I think that the beautiful part about being alive and going through the journey of living and of life is through the zigzags of the journey, it's it's never always going to be a straight path. And I think that I think that there's a lot of growing pains that come through that but those growing pains turn into really beautiful into beautiful flowers. Like there's, I know, that sounds so cheesy, I'm hearing myself say that out loud. But there's, there's a lot of really beautiful things that come from, there's a lot of beautiful things that come from that element of, okay, this was a hard transition for me, but look where I'm at now and look what I'm doing now. And I know that there's gonna be another one down the road, but then you know, I'm gonna get over that that hill, and there's going to be something better on the other side again, and that's just kind of how life seems to happen.   Michael Hingson  47:18 Well, again, it goes back to choices. And if you really go back and look at all the choices that you made, you will probably find that even though some of them may have been based on things that were unexpected that occurred. If you go back and look at the choices that you made, you can see why you ended up where you were, and you seem very comfortable with your job. And again, what more can you ask for?   Chelsea Hartner  47:47 No, you're 100%. Right, I can definitely trace back to how I got to D and I like I can, I can identify certain mile markers in my life that were significant enough, that changed me enough to realize the importance of to realize the importance of DNI, to understand it to understand the various elements that that affect various demographic groups and various identities that might hold them back in the workplace that they might experience versus what I my experience in my lived experience. And those those mile markers on this journey have really, really directed me without me ever knowing it. And so to answer to that first question, yeah, maybe ADHD, if I would have known it sooner, my direction would have been different. But there still would have been mile markers, that still would have pointed me toward whatever I would have been or could have been. And that at that point in my life, but to your additional point, this is where I'm at now. And this is where I'm meant to be right now.   Michael Hingson  49:02 And that's perfectly reasonable. And we we all too often tend not to be comfortable in our skins. And we really should look at all the blessings that we have that really brought us to where we are and a lot of times, we might find that we're a whole lot better off than we thought we were.   Chelsea Hartner  49:20 Yeah. I'm not always. Yeah. But again, yeah, depends on the circumstance. Yeah, but   Michael Hingson  49:27 reflectivity and, and introspection can always help. It also may tell us, okay, here's why I'm not really happy with where I am. And so what am I going to do about it? So again, it still gives you the opportunity to look at life and make decisions.   Chelsea Hartner  49:48 Well, there's, I'm a full of quotes today, apparently, um, there's okay. There's a quote by Mary Barra, who I love and think she's incredible. She's the CEO of GM and or General Motors. And she said that she said before, that making or not making a not making a decision is still making a decision still   Michael Hingson  50:11 making a decision. Absolutely.   Chelsea Hartner  50:13 And that sticks with me, because I am all about, I'm all about that I can either I can either stay where I'm at, or I can continue to move forward, or I can run away. And I, and I think that that's why I say like, I get a little bit of this from my dad is like, I'm a fighter, like if I'm put into a position where I have to make a quick decision for the better of my current circumstance, I'm going to do it, and I'm going to do it right away, I'm not going to wait, I'm going to take the initiative, and I'm going to do it. And I think that that is the beauty of like, you know, kind of talking about like that piece element of ADHD like that impulsive stride of my ADHD has really pushed me in ways, again, kind of looking back as mile markers that I never saw before. And like, in those circumstances where I have to make that decision. That's, that's right. For me for the betterment of my future trajectory. I'm going to impulsively do that, because I'm not going to wait, because I know that that's the right thing to do.   Michael Hingson  51:20 So carrying on that, that whole thing a little bit, whether it's a team decision or whatever, when you make a decision, what do you do when you discover that maybe it wasn't really the best decision?   Chelsea Hartner  51:35 Apologize? Yeah, like ownership seems to be a common thread in our conversation today. And, um, you know, a part of Extreme Ownership is, is being able to own when you're not when you're not right. And, and I think that that is the element, that's one of the elements of being in my role that is hard for me, because I do have to take into consideration before I just make a decision or before I just go, I do have to take into consideration. Okay, have I certainly have have I talked to the right stakeholders, have I gotten the right buy in have I put in the right plan to ensure that this doesn't, that this isn't like an initiative, that's, that's just going to hit the wall. And, you know, it's going to make an impact for a week, and then everyone's gonna forget about it, but that this is thoroughly implemented into how we do things across the organization. And that is the hard part about kind of like reeling myself back in. But when but when we are talking like specifically about life choices and making the right life decisions, and the confidence in that those are, those are two different elements of, of, of that impulsive drive. And controlling it is a little bit different. But I do have to be in the circumstance that it wasn't the right decision. And especially as it applies to my job, I do have to be a lot more considerate, because I can't just do things. That's just not how business works.   Michael Hingson  53:10 Well, yeah. So one of my favorite books is a book entitled The Five Dysfunctions of a Team by Patrick Lencioni. And he talks a lot about decisions. And he talks a lot about teamwork. And one of the things that he really stresses is, when a decision is made, whether it's an individual decision by a team leader, because it's their job, or the team makes a decision. Everyone should I support the decision. If you find out it's the wrong decision. You acknowledge that and then you reassess. And I think that's the big issue. You you do take ownership. But the reality is that decisions also may be made that were incorrect, but you only the information that you had was what led you to make that decision. Right. So the fact is that while a decision may not have been correct, if it wasn't just made arbitrarily without thought, then in reality, if you thought about it right then okay, it was the wrong decision. You own it, and you go back and you reassess, and you may involve other people or whatever needs to be done, but I'm you're right, it's all about ownership of what you do. Mm hmm. But that's okay.   Chelsea Hartner  54:30 Yeah, no, I totally. I stand by that. And I'm, I'm a very I'm a fairly transparent person. And one of the things that I value in other people's transparency and so when it comes to when it comes to decisions, and when it comes to, you know, needing to pivot or needing to, I say pivot and I just hear pivot from friends in the back of my head, um, but I don't I'm not sure if you watch that show. Um, Hey, friends. Yeah, I just, I just watched that episode yesterday. So it's an iron that when I said to that, but anyways, um, the but but that, but when you have to make a decision, being transparent about, hey, you know, we did this, or I made the decision that we should do XY and Z. But this wasn't the best route. And this is why and this is what we found. And I think, and I think we need to work together as a team, let's let's work together as a team, take this feedback that we got, and let's pivot, let's move, let's move this other direction. And I think that one of the things that's really nice is there are various different program management styles that are in place that are very, very helpful with with that type of management style. And Agile is one of them, because you can kind of change as you go. So it's not where you're just like setting in stone, but you're taking that feedback and you're making changes as, as the feedback comes in, to help improve the program, whatever it might be.   Michael Hingson  56:05 Yeah, you, you always need to make informed decisions and be ready to gain and change. If the informed decision turns out not to be the right one, you move on from that and you go do what, what you need to do nothing wrong with that, and ultimately, leads to a stronger, more intelligent, not only person, but team. And it makes for a much better situation all around for everyone. And you get more respected if you acknowledge when maybe there was a mistake that was made. If you're the person who ultimately has responsibility, you say, okay, didn't do that, right, or there was a problem doesn't matter whose fault it was, it may not have even been something that was directly your fault, but you own it. You go back and you deal with it.   Chelsea Hartner  56:54 I've always respected leaders that have upheld and Extreme Ownership mindset. And I think that some of the best mentors and leaders that I've worked with have have maintained that,   Michael Hingson  57:06 right? What if if you had to give some advice to hiring managers who are knowingly thinking about employing someone with neuro divergence, what would you what would you say to them.   Chelsea Hartner  57:18 So if I'm talking to managers who are specifically hiring somebody with neuro divergence, the number one thing that I'm going to recommend is that they do some addition, they do some research, they need to identify like, especially if somebody's disclosed, specifically what they have, like, if they've disclosed, hey, I have ADHD, or they have disclosed, hey, I have autism, or, you know, whatever element that is, they need to start doing some of their own research. But they also need to be working hand in hand with the HR team to ensure that they're providing the right accommodations in place for that person. A lot of elements of being your divergence have been neurodivergent, especially within from from research that I've read and gained a lot of folks within the autism spectrum. And within ADHD, which is also considered a spectrum disorder, there are sensory stimulation overloads, that they that they can experience. And that varies based on the person, the fact that it's already considered a spectrum disorder means that each person is different. They need to also be having a maintaining one on ones with that person and providing consistent feedback with that person so that they're not ever left wondering, Am I doing anything, right? Because I think that a lot of times, we we internalize a lot of things, there's a lot of things that happen in our heads that don't, that that you will never see. And a lot of that is because of just an internalization, an internalization that we've experienced our whole lives, that we will continue to maintain the rest of our lives. Because of how how we were treated in school, what we had to overcome in school, things that we that we struggled with, in college, you know, with our peer groups, there's there's a lot of elements there. So educate yourself work with your HR team, plan one on ones, I would also partner them with a buddy, I would get them partnered with a buddy because it's very difficult for us to feel it's very difficult for some folks within the neurodivergent community to feel comfortable with tough feedback. And with asking difficult questions, but when we innit, but when we have a built a good relationship with somebody, it helps ease that tension. And especially if there are like specific social norms that are important to be aware of that. Because there are some corporate cultures that are very just extroverted cultures that have a very high expectation of how people interact with each other around the office. It's really happy to have a buddy in the beginning of their career that can kind of help break down some of those, those social cues for them so that they can understand that as they progress.   Michael Hingson  1:00:08 And again, the other. The other aspect of all of this is, of course, that when you're talking to someone who might be considering hiring someone who they learn is a person with a disability and neuro divergence, in this case, specifically, that there's nothing wrong with doing that everyone has gifts, and it's all about finding the right gifts for the right job. And that, that if a person shows a resume that demonstrates they have the gifts that you need, then you don't rule them out. You learn how to make it work, because everyone's different. The fact is, even if you have 10, people you're considering none of whom have neuro divergence. They're all different, and they're all going to behave differently and everything else. So we need to, again, get the stigma out of it.   Chelsea Hartner  1:00:56 Yeah, I think one of the things that I find really interesting that I wrote about this in my article that I posted on LinkedIn, about neuro divergence is that at the end of the day, neuro divergence and people that bring that part of them that bring that with them, because we can't leave it behind us, like we come into the workplace, right? Like, we really are helping, like, when leaders can be very intentional about being inclusive leaders, they're being very individual per person. And that's really ultimately a true sign of a real inclusive leader is when they're being is when they're providing individual coaching, mentoring, manager, management, leadership, whatever, to each person individually as they are, and as in how they come to work every day. And neuro divergence, it kind of forces that because especially if like, our symptoms that are pretty, pretty obvious, or that our neuro divergence is obvious, because and that's that's not to exclude other other groups and other and other demographics and identities, I want to be very clear about that. That's there's no comparison there. Um, it My point is just that, at the end of the day, all leaders they really need to, they need to start thinking and having a very individualistic approach to their leadership style. And that was kind of the goal that I had when I wrote my article on LinkedIn about neuro divergence. And that's just what stood out to me about what you just said, there's nothing wrong with that. And those internal partners that we have, like our HR team, or dei team, our employee experiencing, like, those are the people that we should be connecting with and working with to help prep us and prime us internally, to ensure that when somebody comes in, they're bringing their best selves to work. But they're not staying in that position. My goal eventually, right, like, I don't want to stay in this role forever. Like, we're all we're all progressing in our careers. And so I think, I think there's also an element there of, we have to be we have to get past this, this point of, okay, I hired I hired somebody within this community or within this dimension. Okay, now what right, like I think a lot of managers at some points in time still can get stuck there. And it's a matter of, we still need to be mentoring these people, we still need to be retaining and advancing and paying them equitably across the organization. And a lot of that is comes down to that individual leadership approach.   Michael Hingson  1:03:45 And I think one of my favorite ways to assess a leader is to also see that they recognize when they need to give up being the leader to let somebody else lead, and there are going to be times that you or any one of us with a so called disability may be the best person to take over in some particular situation that's going on within the team. And the good leaders are the ones who are willing to recognize that and value it. And all too often we just let ego get in the way. You know, so it really is an issue. What would you say? And what kind of advice would you give to a person who is applying for a job? Who has a disability? Well, let's deal with a neuro divergence type of disability, what would you advise them?   Chelsea Hartner  1:04:36 You know, I know it's I know it's difficult to self ID and know it's difficult to disclose, but I really highly encourage it. If you get denied an opportunity because of it. You don't want that job anyways. Yeah, like, flat out. You don't want that job anyways, you want to work at the company, that when you disclose, they're going to take it seriously and they're going to prep their managers and you Our new team for your for you to be a part of the company. Because at the end of the day, if we continue to mask or continue to hide or continue to cover up our disability or neuro divergence, or any other dimension of ourselves, then we're gonna continue to keep the stigma, keep the barriers, we're going to continue to have equitable OR, or NOT equality, but but equitable opportunities taken away from us like we need. And we're never going to really be able to truly get the support that we need and advocate clearly for that we have to be visible, we have to be out front about it. And I can't I can't repeat that enough. I know. And I say that as somebody who's who has a job, and who's happy in her role and works for an inclusive company. But I know that sometimes people are just, they're in a box, they just they have to accept that job. But But I promise you that there, there are a lot of jobs hiring right now, like, come work for my company, like, you just you don't you don't need to settle for a job that isn't going to respect to you. If you disclose that you have a disability, and they pull that job from you because of it.   Michael Hingson  1:06:19 And I've had that happen to me. But I've learned that here's the other thing to do. I took a Dale Carnegie sales course. And my wife reminded me of this once when I was applying for a job, which is to do exactly what you said to disclose the fact that in my case, I happen to be blind. But remember that blindness, neuro divergence, disability in general, is a perceived liability, it isn't really a liability. It's a liability that people have created. And so the thing to do is for a person when they disclose is to also be prepared to or come right out and say, and here's why that's a value to you, the employer. And here's what I mean, here's what I bring to you. I did that once when I was applying for a job, and I talked to my wife and we have talked about told the story before but we, we were talking about it. And she said You're a dummy. And I said why? Because I was talking about do I disclose I'm blind, she said, You always said turn perceived liabilities into assets. And when I went off, and I wrote the cover letter, for the resume that I sent, I specifically said, I happen to be blind. And the value is, for me, I've had to sell all my life just to be able to survive without going through the entire detail of it. I finally said at the end of it. So do you want to hire somebody who just comes into the office and sells for eight or 10 hours a day and goes home? Or do you want to hire somebody who truly underst

ANTHONY SMITHFredAnthony “Anthony” Smith is an award-winning television professional with over 15 years experience developing, writing, directing, producing, and editing original short-form and long-form content for television and the web. He has had the privilege of guiding and mentoring a number of producers and associate producers that have gone on to excel both at the NFL, and other sports entertainment media outlets. Over the course of his career, Smith has produced a number of projects featuring some of the NFL's brightest stars. He has produced tent-pole projects for events including the Super Bowl, Pro Bowl, NFL Draft, and NFL Scouting Combine. Smith was one of the primary creative forces behind the NFL's most dynamic and impactful media content. Smith also directed and produced numerous long-form and documentaries for the NFL, including: Jim Brown: A Football Life, Fritz Pollard: A Forgotten Man, and Game Changer: The Journey of the Black Quarterback. He also won a Webby Award for directing and producing The L.A. Marathon, a film on Las Vegas Raiders wide receiver DeSean Jackson's relationship with the late Nipsey Hussle.Earlier this year, Anthony Smith was named Vice President of Non-Scripted Development at SMAC Entertainment; an Emmy-nominated production company and talent management firm, co-founded by Pro Football Hall of Famer Michael Strahan and former NFL marketing executive Constance Schwartz-Morini. The firm represents many notable talents such as Snoop Dogg, Brie and Nikki Bella, Wiz Khalifa, Erin Andrews, Michael Griffin, Bryan Hynson, Curt Menefee, Deion Sanders, and more.SMAC ENTERTAINMENTFounded in 2011, SMAC Entertainment, a multi-dimensional talent management, music, branding and production company, brings together former NFL strategist and marketing executive Constance Schwartz-Morini and Pro Football Hall of Famer and Emmy Award-winning television host Michael Strahan to create a major presence in the sports and entertainment arena. In addition to representing globally recognized talent, SMAC Productions develops a diversified slate of film and television content, with projects setup at primetime cable and broadcast networks including HBO, DIRECTV, Showtime, ABC, CBS, E!, NFL Network, Audience Network, and Nickelodeon, as well as Prime Video. In addition, SMAC has engineered the launch of multiple clothing brands including Collection and MSX by Michael Strahan, two men's clothing and accessory lines available at Men's Wearhouse and JCPenney; MSX by Michael Strahan for NFL as well as Erin Andrews' licensed sportswear collection, WEAR by Erin Andrews. Connect with  Anthony Smith! SMAC Entertainment  

This episode features an interview with Carolyn Pollock, Chief Marketing Officer of Tailored Brands, owner of companies like Men's Wearhouse and Jos. A. Bank. Carolyn has 20 years of marketing and management experience driving growth and building brands. Previously, she served as a marketing leader for eBay and Facebook. At Tailored Brands, Carolyn oversees all consumer marketing efforts and leads the team developing marketing strategies and programs.In this episode, Kailey and Carolyn discuss the hybridization of retail, leveraging technology to gather data, and showing up for customers in the right channels.-------------------Key Takeaways:Crafting a well-rounded customer experience requires a hybridization of online and in-store knowledge. When customers are researching your products online, you can use that data to help outfit them in-store and provide them exactly what they need.From a customer service standpoint, retailers have an opportunity to go above and beyond in providing an experience. For instance, if a customer spills a drink on their shirt at a wedding, a Tailored Brands store manager will hand-deliver them a new shirt. Showing up for your customer goes beyond data, it means they can depend on you throughout the entire experience.When trying to uplevel your customer engagement, don't boil the ocean. It's critical to be realistic in your expectations and figure out what's most important and foundational to your process right now, and then act on it.-------------------“No one walks into our store not knowing something about what we have to offer, [...] the integration of on and offline is a really big part of it. And making sure that you've got the tools and the understanding of where those handshakes of information transfer have to happen, is a really important way to respond to that.” – Carolyn Pollock-------------------Episode Timestamps:‍*(01:46) - Carolyn's career journey*(04:33) - Industry trends in customer engagement in retail*(12:16) - Challenges in the customer engagement journey*(18:26) - How Tailored Brands is leveraging technology to build a sophisticated customer journey‍*(22:27) - An example of another company doing it right with customer engagement (hint: it's Sephora)*(24:57) - Carolyn's favorite piece of data*(29:01) - Changes in the next 6-12 months in marketing and retail*(31:01) - Carolyn's recommendations for upleveling customer engagement-------------------Links:Connect with Carolyn on LinkedInConnect with Kailey on LinkedInLearn more about Caspian Studios

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In 1970, George Zimmer was a college graduate with no real job prospects and little direction. That's when his father, an executive at a boy's clothing company, asked him to go on an important business trip to Asia. It was that trip that propelled him into the world of men's apparel. In 1973, the first Men's Wearhouse opened in Houston with little fanfare, but by the mid-80s, George Zimmer managed to carve out a distinct niche in the market—a place where men could buy a good quality suit, at "everyday low prices," along with all the shirts, ties, socks, and shoes they need.With George as the face of the brand, Men's Wearhouse became a multi-billion dollar empire with hundreds of stores across the U.S. But then, in 2013, a bitter battle forced him to give it all up.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

  Podcast Summary Renowned social selling expert Omar hateeb joins us for a captivating conversation on the Medical Sales Podcast, sharing invaluable insights into mastering personal branding and leveraging LinkedIn for professional growth. Omar draws from his entrepreneurial journey, highlighting the immense potential of consistent content creation in boosting business success. Together, we explore how word-of-mouth and strategic engagement on social media can serve as powerful outreach tools, offering listeners practical advice for enhancing their online presence and advancing their careers in medical sales. Consistency is the key to effective marketing, and our discussion touches on the importance of showing up regularly to build professional visibility. Inspired by the wisdom of the Men's Wearhouse founder, we emphasize that resilience against criticism often signifies success. This episode is packed with strategies for maintaining a strong, consistent presence in your professional field. Aspiring medical sales professionals will find valuable guidance on entering the industry through strategic networking. We address whether to specialize in a niche or enhance overall visibility, advising engagement with relevant organizations for those committed to specific fields like medical device sales. For those exploring diverse sectors, such as pharma and diagnostics, we stress the importance of broad engagement and self-education. By participating actively on platforms like LinkedIn and learning the industry's language, candidates can showcase their value and attract the attention of hiring managers. This episode underscores the significance of valuable public engagement and how it can lead to unexpected opportunities.

After being let go as executive chairman of Men's Warehouse, the company he founded, in 2013, George Zimmer founded Generation Tux a year later. Generation Tux offers convenient and low-stress suit rental services exclusively online. “In lieu of going [to the] store, there are many advantages through Generation Tux, particularly for the bride who has so much going on around her wedding. Gen Tux is a load off her mind,” said Zimmer on the latest episode of the Glossy Podcast.  With 50 years of experience in the suit industry, Zimmer understands the desire to order your own wedding tuxedo from the comfort of your living room. Generation Tux's concise shipping timeline — it delivers customers' suits three weeks before an event — is also advantageous since it allows for last-minute changes.  But even with the online spending spree of the pandemic, the company has faced challenges. When the pandemic first hit, Generation Tux temporarily shut down until it received government aid. Two years later, it is reaping the benefits of the pandemic's demand for accessible online fashion, with yearly revenue of $5 million. 

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