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I have never had the pleasure of having a guest quite like Michele Blood. While still living in Australia Michele was an extremely successful rock singer. One day she was involved in a serious accident while being driven to a gig. Her body was, as she says, quite battered and damaged. What is fascinating about Michele's story is how she discovered the value of positive affirmations that she used to heal everything. As she will tell us, it is not just saying affirmations, but rather it is truly believing what you affirm. Her music became an integral of what healed her.   Since her recovery Michele has traveled the world singing and speaking on stage with many well-known motivational and thought leaders. I leave it to her to tell the story.   During our episode Michele will sing one of her affirmation songs. I hope you are as moved by the song in specific and by Michele's attitude and mindset in general. She teaches us a lot that can have nothing but positives effects on your life.   I look forward to hearing what you have to say about my time with Michele. Don't forget to get her free gifts available only to listeners of the Unstoppable Mindset podcast. Is that cool or what?       About the Guest:   Michele Blood is a successful, multi-talented lady. Michele was a successful songwriter and rock singer in Australia and after a near-fatal car accident, while in the hospital with many serious injuries, she created positive Affirmation Songs which not only healed her body but also took her to worldwide success. These Affirmation songs affect the left and right hemispheres of the brain. Lyrics, the left hemisphere, and melody and music, the right hemisphere so the new, positive messages go straight to the subconscious mind. This is why millions of people worldwide have downloaded her Affirmation Power songs. These songs cover healing, success, money, joy, confidence and they uplift the person immediately.   In addition to creating Magnet To Success™ products and seminars worldwide, her public Mystical Success Events have been held in over 26 countries. Michele has co-written and created over 80 books, music CDs, audio programs, TV shows, and videos on positive thought, mind transformation, and meditation.   Michele has appeared in many hundreds of podcasts, radio/tv shows, and magazines globally. After many years of meditation, Michele's Kundalini awakened and transformed her consciousness. Michele now teaches others how to live a Successful Life and experience Divine Oneness. Her Mystical Experience webinars and live streams have assisted people globally to transform their lives to the positive. Through her Teachings and Light Transmissions, people awaken and experience what they say is the impossible. They awaken to their true purpose and begin their path to Enlightenment. She has shared the stage and worked with Bob Proctor, Dr. Deepak Chopra, Dr. Wayne Dyer, Jack Canfield, and many other transformational Authors and Teachers. Her latest book is The Magic Of Affirmation Power and her latest album is Create Miracles: Positive Affirmation Songs To Harmonize your Mind and Life. And her new Magnet To Money App will uplift millions worldwide.   Ways to connect with Michele:   https://www.MicheleBlood.com and https://www.YouTube.com/MicheleBlood   Michele would also love to gift your viewers and listeners her audiobook, "The Magic Of Affirmation Power" Your audience can download this free gift by going to: https://www.MicheleBlood.com/UnstoppableMindset   About the Host:   Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.   Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards.   https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/   accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/   https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/       Thanks for listening!   Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! 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The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson ** 01:21 Hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of unstoppable mindset where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected, which is really the most fun part, meet today. We are getting close to winter, and I was just telling our guest Michele Blood that here in Victorville, we had a temperature this morning of 28 degrees. Ah, lovely weather, and all the weather people complain about now it's getting cold in the summer, they complained it was getting hot. You know, you can't please them. I don't know what to say. But anyway, one of these days they'll, they'll decide that whatever happens is is not a bad thing, and they'll stop complaining, I guess. But any Yeah. But anyway, Michele, I want to welcome you to unstoppable mindset. We're really glad you're here. Thank you.   Michele Blood ** 02:06 Michael, I've been so looking forward to this. After reading thunder dog, I'm going to be reading the second book, which is live like a guide dog. I'm going to be reading that after that, I absolutely adore this book, which I'm showing right now, Thunder dog. It's the most inspirational you can't put down. I mean, the lot not just getting down 78 floors of the Twin Towers, 78 stairs. I mean, oh my gosh. But then everything that you've done in between working with you know Ray Kurzweil, who's done a lot of things in the music industry as well. I mean, I mean, I recognized his name straight away. I'm like, all the all the things you've done. I'm just so impressed by and by your life and how inspiring you are. And I just wanted to say that to everybody, he's just, you gotta get his thunder dog book if you haven't yet, and his new book, live like a guide dog, for sure.   Michael Hingson ** 03:02 I I don't know. I haven't totally kept up, but I haven't heard that anybody has yet come out with a music synthesizer that is better than the Kurzweil synthesizer. Now, a lot has happened, and maybe technology has advanced, but I hadn't heard about anything that still beats it.   Michele Blood ** 03:20 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the fair light was pretty amazing when that first came out, but the Kurzweil, I mean, all any rock musician knows about, yeah, when, when that was first put out, we were just like, oh my gosh, that's amazing, you know, because you could sample sounds and, you know, it was just   Michael Hingson ** 03:39 incredible, and it had a choir built into it. Yeah? Daylight though   Michele Blood ** 03:43 that was, I don't know, think back back in the day, it was like 100 grand, so that's probably why it wasn't as popular. Yeah,   03:51 a little more   Michael Hingson ** 03:52 expensive than the Kurzweil one. Yeah, yeah, our organist at our church where my wife and I went in Irvine and where we got married, our organist had a Kurzweil synthesizer and used it a lot, which was, which was kind of fun, and it was, it was very and it is very impressive all the way around, yeah, but   Michele Blood ** 04:13 just the innovative things that have been done, and you're helping ray with all of the things for the blind as well. Working with Stevie Wonder. I mean, it's just, you're very impressive. You're an inspiration. You are, you are absolutely amazing.   Michael Hingson ** 04:28 Well, thank you. But now let's talk about you a little bit. And you know, you can, you can.   04:35 I didn't show them the cover yet. You can   Michael Hingson ** 04:38 spread any rusty live like a guide dog. Live   04:42 like a guide dog. Needs to cover everybody   Michael Hingson ** 04:45 well, I hope people will get it. I'm we're excited about it. It's been out now a few months. It seems to be selling. We're excited. So hopefully people will read it, and it inspires people a little bit, because it's all about. Are trying to get people to learn to control fear and not let it overwhelm or, as I put it, blind you. But anyway, tell us a little bit about you. Why don't you start with the the early Michele, growing up, and some of those kinds of things, just kind of introduce us to you a little bit.   Michele Blood ** 05:16 Well, I'm an Aussie G'day, everyone. G'day, and, in Australia, I started in the entertainment industry at the age of five, on TV. What   Michael Hingson ** 05:27 did you do? Singing? Oh, okay,   Michele Blood ** 05:31 you know. And then eventually got my, you know, had lots and lots of rock bands I sang in, until eventually I got my own rock band that became very successful. I was the lead singer, one of the main songwriters and the manager of the band. We got a great record label. We had 1000s of people coming to our gigs, and it took years to get there, but I loved it so much, even though it's very, very tough at one stage, we toured for seven years, non stop. I mean, no Christmases, no New Year's eves, because when you're in a rock band, you get paid triple on New Year's Eves and Christmases and stuff like that. Yeah, and you can't really say no until you're really huge. You can't really say no to any gig, because you need the money road crew and sound equipment trucks and all the rest of it so but I feel that my life went on a whole new trajectory after a near fatal truck accident, actually, where I was a passenger with the truck, with all the equipment, and my body was so badly broken, I was In the hospital for months and months and months and and that was the best thing that ever happened to me. I know that sounds crazy everybody, but truly, when you have something so terrible happen to you, and it gets turned around by the Divine, whatever you choose to call God, it gets your life gets turned around and it makes all the difference in the world. So that's the first quarter.   Michael Hingson ** 07:08 Well, you know, I'm really curious. You said something that just strikes a question. I know that a lot of people try to go into entertainment, and most probably aren't overly successful. But why do you think that you were so successful? What what made the rock group and and what you did so successful? Do you have a notion? Well,   Michele Blood ** 07:30 I loved what I did. I was very, very good at it. And not everyone that's good at it's probably other singers in the world that are better than me. But the reason, I think because, I mean, I had some backing vocals on some records, and these female singers were incredible. And one of them said, I know you've got a good voice, Michelle, but I don't know why it's you and not me. And I said, I think it's just that I never gave up, and I was really disciplined. And I, you know, I wasn't on the road of sex, drugs and rock and roll. I was on the road of discipline, making sure that all my band members were disciplined. We worked really, really hard. We rehearsed a lot. We never blew out a gig, not once. So you get a good reputation. And so I started as a cover band, and we would sound just like the records at the time of the 80s. You know, people said that was a band. It sounded like a record. And so then we, we eventually started putting all our originals in and, I mean, I did crazy things, Michael, I went into Time Warner to the A and R people, because I wasn't getting any feedback. It's really hard. You can't just send them a tape to get you know for them to listen to your demos. So I went in as a tap dancing singing telegram. And so the secretary let me go straight into the office, and it was a board meeting, and because she thought, you know, their family had so I was there with flowers and a cake and my ghetto blaster, and I said, Then I did a tap dance, and I made up this song about, you know, this is, this is the band called clapping hands. You're going to sign them, you're going to want them. And this is a singing telegram saying, Listen to this. And that's how I got my first record deal.   Michael Hingson ** 09:24 Creativity counts for something. It   Michele Blood ** 09:25 sure does. You've gotta have guts. And I mean, I by the time I walked out of that office, though I was sweating, I was shaking, but you have to do something to be noticed. And and I think because I love people so much, and because I'd been singing professionally since I was five, which means I was singing for family members and everyone since I was two, apparently getting being put on the kitchen table. And I loved people being happy, and I love loved entertaining. I just loved it. So I think, you know, it's in the stars as. Well, I know that, but I think discipline, hard work eventually never giving up. Yeah, what can I say? Never giving up.   Michael Hingson ** 10:08 Did you so you were a cover band for for a while, which meant you were the the opening band for other groups,   Michele Blood ** 10:17 not as a cover band, well, with the opening act for the pretenders and in excess and a few other bands, when we were an original band and when we had a record label, right, when we had videos on TV, but before that, now we do five to 645, minute sets a night, and we would stay at one big venue, because in back in the day in Australia, the venues were huge for cover bands. You know, four to 6000 people could come in, and we got, we got very, very popular as a cover band, and then we went original. But it took a few years to do that, for sure, but   Michael Hingson ** 10:55 I remember, I remember bands back in the 50s and 60s, like the platters, who actually were the opening band, or they were the band that were the background for other singers. And then somebody discovered these guys really are better than that, and then they became their own group, right?   Michele Blood ** 11:14 Yeah, yeah. It's interesting how, how it all works out. But in Australia, it's, it's a tough way to tour when you're a female singer, because the Aussies are pretty tough. If they don't like you, you can get B canes thrown at you.   Michael Hingson ** 11:32 Yeah, well, those kinds of things do happen. Yes, they did in Boston for for sports teams. I've heard of fans really being very brutal to like the the Patriots. I think when Steve Grogan was the quarterback, they actually booed him off the field once. It was pretty amazing. I don't know. You know that's people take some of these things way too seriously. They   Michele Blood ** 12:00 certainly do. I like what Oscar Wilde said, Life is too serious to be taken seriously. Yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 12:09 yeah, absolutely, and, but people still do it way too much. Which is, which is, which is a problem. Yes, you know, we need people to take life more like Mark Twain and Will Rogers, by all means, but I can co so you, you had a serious car accident, and as you said, It really broke your body. Tell us what you'd like to about that and and then how you dealt with it, because that, that was quite a, I won't say miraculous. That was quite a marvel. You. You certainly took a leap along the way with that.   Michele Blood ** 12:50 Yeah, it's such a unique story. Um, after you know the truck driver we've been driving for 12 hours from Brisbane to Sydney, from gig to keep and he fell asleep at the wheel just as we reached Sydney, which happened to be right across the road from the best orthopedic specialist hospital in Sydney. So thank you, God, you know. Yeah, there's no coincidences. There's no accidents. So they got me over there really fast, and they had me straight into the operating theater straight away. So, I mean, I had tons of different operations, but what happened was, when you're in physics, that much physical agony, you pass out every few minutes. Mm, hmm, and, but I had people and fans and family putting on audio programs of things I'd never heard of before, Affirmations, Visualization, positive stuff, audio books by motivational speakers, inspirational speakers who I'd never heard of, but one of them got to me, and that was a book by a man called Napoleon Hill who wrote a book called Think and Grow Rich. Grow Rich, right? And I didn't care about hearing about all the millionaires in the 1920s in America, male men. Why would a female, young Australian rock singer care about that? But one chapter in there, he talks about how his infant son was born deaf, and he would go into his infant son's room every single night and do affirmations, auto suggestion, you hear perfectly. You are so loved, and you are so loving, etc, etc. And by the time a little boy was nearly four, he had 30% of his hearing. And you know when you hear something, I've never heard of this before, Michael, but you know when you hear something for the first time and you can feel it that it's true. You've just heard something that you know in the marrow of your bones that that what you've just heard is true. So I said, Okay, I can, I can run. Relate to that, because I know that I've used my willpower and my positive thinking, My I've never said I can't do something, I can't have that drama that I want. I've never said that. I've always said it's all possible. Everything is possible. You just go for it. Michelle, and I'd always just go for it. And I was brought up a Catholic, and I wasn't brought up. I wasn't one of those people that hated the church. I loved it. So I always had a belief in God, because I used to go to mass as a little girl every morning with the nuns, because I was in love with Jesus, and I just felt so I had that spirituality in me, and I think that is what is the backbone. You know, in the Bible, it says you do not need to be strong, because Christ is my strength. Christ is your strength. And so now I know that there is so much more to spirituality than just Jesus, but it was a great start for my faith in my life, and it gave me happiness. And so I just had faith that this would work, so I started doing affirmations, but they didn't work. Michael, do you want to know why? Sure, yeah, we've got nothing else to do today, right? May as well. Hear about it well, because neuroscience has proven now that affirmations do work and they do positive thinking actually does make a difference in the brain, in the neural pathways. It does make a difference. It ignites something in different parts of the brain. But back then, in the 80s, there was no way to prove that, you know, let alone Napoleon Hill in the 1920s but the thing that he said was most important is, you have to believe it. You have to emotionalize it. But I couldn't, Michael, I couldn't emotionalize it because I would. I started an affirmation, I am healed. I know I am. I love myself. I am my friend. Now, none of those things were true, so I thought, but I did want them to be true, so I thought, great, I've got the perfect affirmation. But when you are feeling like you're feeling and the world around you is presenting the opposite of what you're saying. Your doubting mind spits it out and does not believe it. So about two, three weeks after stopping the affirmations, because I realized that didn't work, I literally had a spiritual epiphany, and it was, you know, as a songwriter, Michelle, you can't get a song out of your head, even if it's songs you don't like or jingles from advertising agencies. So sing your affirmations. Because I got my brother to look around for affirmation songs, and he said, there isn't any such thing. And so I started singing,   Speaker 1 ** 17:58 I am healed. I know I am I love myself. I am my friend. And   Michele Blood ** 18:05 I recorded it onto a cassette player, just a cappella over and over again. And that was the beginning. As I listened to that all day, every day I would I started feeling better. I started getting back to my attitude, that I can, I can heal it just I realized. And when I was working with Bob Proctor, he said, you know why that works so well? He said, It's because the left side of the brain is where the lyrics are, the affirmation, the right side the melody. And this is even before I started recording it with music, and so you have a whole brain experience. And the song, the doubting mind doesn't have a chance to reject it. It goes straight into your subconscious mind. So that's how my positive affirmation pop music began. I didn't stop doing my other music, but I did have what they said, even the doctors, even though they're not supposed to say it, they said my healing was miraculous, and I ended up on TV shows and in the press and everything about what I'd been through for inspiration. And that's how it all began.   Michael Hingson ** 19:16 It. It really is all about believing it. It's it is so easy just to say something, but without truly accepting it, without truly making it a part of your psyche. However you do that it, it doesn't mean a thing. Don't   Michele Blood ** 19:32 mean a thing if it ain't something. Yeah, you do have to laugh. Do up, do up, do   Michele Blood ** 19:43 Yeah, music makes the world go around. It does,   Michael Hingson ** 19:48 and it's so important to take it seriously enough that you truly do believe it, and that's what's so important. And clearly. What you did? So what happened you you got healed completely, I would assume from all that had happened,   Michele Blood ** 20:10 yeah, I mean, it's still it still took quite a while, but I was determined. I put my high shoes back on, even though they said, don't wear high shoes. And I never intended for the affirmation music to go out to the public. My one of the band members that I work with and wrote songs with John Beatty, Hi John. He he's in person now in Australia with millions of kids, but anyway, we won't help me. Listens, yeah, we went into the recording studio and we, we just started recording. I was writing a lot of songs, and we started recording tons of different affirmation songs in all different styles of you know, from R and B to just rock to ballads to depending on what the song was about, whether it was about, you know, divine love, more of a ballad, more of a some of them just more rock and roll about being successful. And when the press found out that I was actually doing that, then promoters that were bringing out American very, very big, best selling authors asked me to come and do my singing affirmations in between these people. And I said, No, I don't want to do that. I'm not doing it for the public. Was just for me, my band, to have these positive thoughts. And they said, No, we love it. We love it. We want you to do it. And so my very first gig, I'm in Adelaide, Australia, and there's three and a half 1000 people on a Wednesday that came to this gig that paid over $300 each for a ticket, which I thought was absolutely insane. I didn't know what was going on. And I sang, and got all the people up on stage singing the affirmation songs with me made it into like a mini rock concert. And then Deepak Chopra, this, who I'd never heard of, never met before. Wayne Dyer, who I'd never heard of, never met before. Tony Alessandra, Stuart, wild, they were the speakers, and they couldn't believe it when we went out to dinner that night that I've never heard of any of them. And I said, I'm in rock and roll. I'm not in the motivational world. You know, I've, I've never heard of you, because I've not in that world. And so they were interested in how it all began, and they all said, You've got to tour this around the world. You've got to you've got to release these that we love. What you're doing. The audience is so different. Bob Proctor, though he was the one, when I ended up working with him, the promoters said, you know, we've got this female Australian singer, and you're going to be touring with her? And he said, No, I don't want a female singer. I'm Bob Proctor. I don't need that anyway. The first gig I did with him in Sydney, he came out after, and he said, I didn't want to work with a singer. And I said, good to meet you too, mate. I Yes, how are you? And he said, but no, all kidding aside. He said, My wife and I, Linda, we loved it so much, and I want you to work with me all over the world, doing events. So eventually I end up working with Bob for seven years straight. We wrote books together. We wrote music together. We put on huge events. I took over his business, looked after it, and from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, where I lived, and then, and it was just very, very interesting. I've worked in over 26 countries, huge, huge audiences. The biggest one I had was 50,000 people. So to say it was successful is an understatement, but I didn't plan it. I didn't visualize it, but I had always planned on being very well known singer, but it but not to be a positive affirmation or singer. I'd never thought of that, but eventually I went off the grid and started really getting into deep meditation practice and getting off the that whole circuit, because I wanted to find God within me. So that was what happened. And it was fascinating, because it's like working with all these, you know, rock musicians, male rock musicians, and then working with all these male best selling authors. I'm like, I'm always surrounded by the boys.   Michael Hingson ** 24:46 Hey, whatever works, it's, it's interesting though, that that you, you did so much of this, I gather that the audience is reacted very positively, though. Um. Have you heard from anyone that it really changed their life to have encountered you and heard you when you performed? Oh,   Michele Blood ** 25:10 yeah, we've had millions. I mean, we've got a lot of our video video testimonials and testimonials from not just best selling authors that I've worked with, but also from people from all over the world. I work with people in over 32 countries now, and some of them don't even speak English, but they still feel the vibration. And a lot of different people have started singing my songs in different languages, which I allow anyone to do. They don't have to pay me a royalty. They can just do it whatever brings positivity to the world and change within someone, so that they can get out of that rabbit hole. Because you're, you know, your whole podcast about unstoppable mindset. Well, this is such a a great new beginning is to just have to listen to a song. Yeah? And, you know, there's so I've got hundreds of songs to choose from, so it's a good it's a good way to start, because music, you know, like I always say to people, if you have the blues, even though I like blues and I think it's brilliant, but if you have the blues, probably best not to listen to the blues. Yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 26:21 definitely, definitely true. Well, of course, one has to ask if, if you have one, not necessarily long, but that you want to sing for us all.   Michele Blood ** 26:38 Yeah, I can. I didn't have anything set up. But if you'd like to chat for a minute, I'll just get something set up for you. Well,   Michael Hingson ** 26:45 okay, we can, we can do that. I do. I do agree with you that if you've got the blues, you don't want to listen to the blues. I I personally like happy stuff. I like musicals, especially when they're they're happy musicals. I've always enjoyed that. I do listen and read science fiction and sometimes read some some pretty horrific things. But I've noticed later in my life I'm doing less of that because I, although I like mysteries, I don't like nowadays really graphical or very graphic murder mysteries and things like that, and so people call the kinds of things that I probably typically like cozy mysteries. I wouldn't say that Rex Stout books about neural wolf the private detective are necessarily cozy, but by the same token, they're not the most graphic things, and I've always enjoyed them because they're puzzles. And I love mysteries that are really puzzles that I can become engaged in and try to solve, and musicals I like just because they're fun and and they're they're very happy for the most part. And so again, they're, they're very relevant to to want to listen to. So I, I tend to do that. So it's a lot of fun to keep in the the spirit of reasonably happy and stay away from the blues. Okay,   Michele Blood ** 28:17 I've got something set up now, alright, saying low battery, but oh, sorry. What happened there? There it is. There it is. This song is called synergy. I wrote it with Bob Proctor. Can you hear the music?   Michael Hingson ** 28:35 It's a little low, but yes, go ahead. Better. Yep,   Speaker 1 ** 28:40 there's a way to get it moving, to make it happen, to get high. Can barely flooded in the clouds, join thoughts and let them fly. When your mind joins in with others and all your thoughts to one a US. Energy begins to sizzle and it's energy positive energy synergy. It's energy, hot energy, positive energy turn into synergy. Together, creative power will start to flow. Things begin to happen. You're a church with Synergy. Red Hot energy, positive energy grows into synergy. It's energy, hot energy, positive energy grows into synergy.   Michele Blood ** 29:55 You shine and become magnetic, you'll draw the good. People out the world will be a better place, and everyone will start to shout, face to face, building   Speaker 2 ** 30:12 energy. Taste. The taste is this energy, thoughts, launching into one, a new boss have become this is synergy.   Speaker 1 ** 30:23 It's synergy, red hot energy, positive energy, delta, synergy, it's synergy.   Michael Hingson ** 30:34 There you go. Now   30:36 that's Bob Proctor. Wrote the lyrics for that.   Michael Hingson ** 30:41 But, um, who was the male voice near the end? Oh, the   Michele Blood ** 30:44 male voice was a American guy in who was singing covers in Kuala Lumpur when I lived there, Ah, okay, and I just hired him to come and and do that in the studio in Kuala Lumpur, yeah. But the other affirmation songs are more simple, but they're still got, you know, like a good dance beat, some of them are ballads greeting the day with love in your heart. It just depends on where you want to take your mind that day. Do you want to open your heart? Do you want to be like listen to the persistent song. Do you want to feel more successful? You listen to the success song, which is like 50s, rock and roll. So they're all different. They're all different product, production. So it was a lot of fun changing the different styles for each song depending on the lyrics.   Michael Hingson ** 31:34 Well, if people want to get those affirmation songs and so on, are they available for people to get? Yeah,   Michele Blood ** 31:41 all my albums are sold all over the world, and iTunes, of course, Amazon. My own website is magnet to success. Com. My YouTube channel is Michelle blood.com forward slash YouTube. But I've got lovely giveaways for your for your audience, if you'd like me to share that. Well, we will   Michael Hingson ** 32:03 do that a little bit, okay, but I really appreciate you seeing synergy. I will be, I will be saying that to myself the rest of the day, which is fine, but you know, you mentioned the blues and so on. So here's a question, if somebody is really down and really frustrated, how can they change their life to the positive?   Michele Blood ** 32:31 Well, first of all, even if they are really down, you've got to know, no matter what is going on in your life, that everything is possible for you, and that you can get out of that rabbit hole, and that you are you might feel alone, but you're never alone. Whether you believe in God or you don't believe in God, there is a God and you are looked after. You can pray without begging just giving. One of the most wonderful things you can do is just to start to write down what you're thankful for immediately. If you can say thank you divine, or just thank you for my beautiful life, and if then you can begin to write down what a beautiful life would look like for you, just start writing it down, even though it's not true yet. Like, let's start thinking about what can be done. What do you what sort of friends do you want? What sort of lifestyle do you want? You know, start thinking of others as well. Whenever we can do something, if we can do something every single day that makes somebody else happy, whether it's feeding the homeless or sending funny kitten videos to your friends. You if you can do something every day that brings happiness to somebody else or takes them out of suffering, well, then it'll take you out of yourself. Because if, if it's something emotional that you're going through, that means that you're going to sometimes we do need to go through the emotion, particularly if we're mourning the loss of something or someone that's important and healthy. But it is also important to stop thinking about ourselves so much and look at what can be done for the world. I love I love Saint Vincent de Paul. I love the Salvation Army so much, so you can tithe to them anonymously. If you want to do something you don't know what to do, even if it's just a buck, five bucks, it's really good to tithe to charities that are doing good in the world. And I'm sure there's a charity that you could recommend to us, Michael, that will help with the blind. If you got one, you can recommend?   Michael Hingson ** 34:43 Well, I think there, there really are a number of of places to donate. One of my favorites is the National Federation of the Blind, nfb.org, because it's, it's a consumer organization that fights for the rights of. Of blind people around the United States and actually around the world. And it's the NFB is the largest consumer organization of blind people in this country and, in fact, in the world. But it has made such a difference in the lives of blind people. For example, through the National Federation of blind we completely changed the life insurance industry that refused to provide life insurance for any blind person up until the mid 1980s and when it was finally discovered that they were denying us, not because they had any evidence and actual mathematical models that proved that we were a risk, which is what they're supposed to do. They were doing it strictly out of prejudice. And so now every state in the union, because of the Federation, has actually passed legislation that says you can't discriminate unless you've got real evidence. Well, it's been 40 years, and nobody's come up with evidence that we're a higher risk simply because we're blind or other persons with disabilities, their disabilities directly make them a higher risk. So, you know, that's that's definitely one of my favorite organizations to support. And   Michele Blood ** 36:13 nfb.org everybody. Nfb.org I've written it down for me to start tithing there as well. And,   Michael Hingson ** 36:20 you know, and there, there are so many others. Another organization that I tend to like, it's a very small organization, is advocates for service animal partners asap.org, and and it fights for the rights of people with a variety of disabilities who use service animals, service dogs, to be able to take their dogs with them, where wherever they go, because we're denied. So awesome. So I like asap.org as well.   Michele Blood ** 36:51 I love what you did. I think it was you and Ray and his wife. You were going to a particular restaurant and a a suity maitre d snotty, snooty, wouldn't let you in with your blind dog, with your with your guide dog, right? And and she was really upset the wife. And so you end up gathering quite a few of your friends that are blind, that have guide dogs, and you went in, and he had to oblige and let you all in. And everyone was very nice to you. So that was really good, because that it, it's, it's illegal for them to say you can't come in with your guide dog. It is   Michael Hingson ** 37:28 illegal, and it has been illegal for a long time. One of my favorite stories, which really wasn't a bad story at all, there used to be a restaurant in Boston in Quincy Market called Durgan Park. And Durgan Park was was basically family style, although around the outside of the room they had tables for four but you couldn't sit at one of those tables unless you had four people. Well, we came in one night and there were only three of us and my dog, Holland, and the the host has said, You know what, I'm going to make an exception and let you sit at this table for four so Holland was under the table, and there were three of us, and the waitress came up, and the waitresses at Durgan Park are known as snots. I mean, they're, they're, they're, they're supposed to be really rough and all that. It's just part of the schtick. But she came up and she said, What are you people doing sitting here? And he said, well, the host has put us here. No, she didn't. You're just sitting here. No, she did. It's because of the dog under the table. No, there's no dog under the table. You're not going to make me fall for that. And she walks away, and then she comes back and she said, you're not supposed to be sitting here and all that. I said, Look, there's a dog under the table. Take a look. And it took a while, but I finally got her to look, and there's Holland staring at her with these big brown eyes when she lifts up the the tablecloth, and the next thing I know, she comes back with a big plate. Jurgen Park has very good sized portions of frying rib and says, Can I give this to the dog, oh, and, and normally, I would never do that, but in the for to promote goodwill, I said, Okay, which Hall of love? And, you know, I knew the food there was good, but, you know, it was, it was just one of those great stories. But, yeah, all too often that isn't the way it goes. We see so many challenges with Uber, for example, so many drivers refuse to take blind people or other people with disabilities who have service dogs. It's against the rules, and they say, but it's our car. No, you signed a contract that said that you are going to transport the public, so it is illegal for you to deny us. But they do, and that's one of the things that ASAP, for example, is really working on to address, to get Uber, to recognize that it has to enforce the law like everyone else. But it's a challenge. People come from all sorts of different points of view. You know, with   Michele Blood ** 39:59 the name like. Uber. How could they do that? They're not being very Uber.   40:04 Well, there you go.   Michele Blood ** 40:07 Wow. That's interesting in this day and age. Absolutely, it continues all too often. So many people have slipped into something more comfortable, like a coma. Yeah.   Michael Hingson ** 40:18 Now you and your team have created an app. I think it's called what magnet to money. Tell us about that. Yeah,   Michele Blood ** 40:24 it was interesting. Thanks, Michael. I wanted to do because sometimes people like you were talking earlier, how do they get out of their you know, their depression, or whatever they're going through that they're feeling, how do they get out of that rabbit hole? So if you're feeling that way, and your mindset is in a negative state of mind, and you're emotionally not feeling well, well, then it's very, very challenging for you to want to put on some positive, you know, affirmation music. Because I know when I was in the hospital, if people came in and they were too chirpy. I would couldn't wait for them to go because I wasn't oscillating at that frequency. Yeah, you know. So they're all Oh, hi. And so I thought, wouldn't it be great if we had an app and it would just play? As you know, they can choose the notifications how often it will play. And so Polly fella, Trevor Rogers and Johnny and Dara and myself, we worked really hard, especially Holly fella, to develop this app. And it took about two and a half years to develop it. And it's got morning meditations. It's got tons of affirmations with music underneath. It's got a sleep program to help. As they're sleeping, people are sleeping, I'm very softly saying affirmations and positive you know, feed, feed to their minds. And it's also got notifications, so the magnet to money song will play whatever they want to, so they don't have to even remember to and eventually, like someone the other day, said she was in a bank and she had the magnet to Money App, and she had it as her ringtone as well. And she's in this big bank that was hardly anybody in there, but it was quite chamber ish, Echo ish, and she said, and her phone was on pretty loud. It started, I'm a magnet to money came on really loud, and everyone started laughing. They're like, well, that's sort of, I guess, you know, a good thing to play in a bank. Yeah, works. So, yeah, the magnet to Money App is fantastic. App. It's got so much on it, and it's got an audio book you get for free from myself and Bob Proctor called magnet to money through the sea of unlimited consciousness, one one of our books that we did as an audio book, and we thought we've also got a free app, because that magnet to Money App is only about, I think it's $4 or something A month, but the affirmation power app is free, and on that tons of affirmations, plus my affirmation music videos is on there as well. So that's free, if anybody wants that.   Michael Hingson ** 43:13 So yeah, so is that available with Android and Apple and iPhone? No,   Michele Blood ** 43:17 just, just apple at the moment, because to develop for an Android is much more complicated because there are so many different companies, yeah, yes, whereas Apple, it's just the iPhone, but we do intend to, but it's, you know, we've got the manifestation video app as well, and we've got a New App coming out, which is all my audio books. And I'm doing a new audio book every month, not just my books on audio, but other people's books on audio as well. And then the next step after that, is a prayer app, talking about prayer, how to pray, and for me, teaching people the power of prayer. So it's really lovely to be able to do apps that have got positive, you know, the very, very, you know, if they were to buy all those individual products from me to cost hundreds dollars, and this way it's just a few dollars a month all free for them to get all my positive songs and books and all that sort of thing.   Michael Hingson ** 44:17 How do people search for these apps that in the in the app store. I think   Michele Blood ** 44:22 that if they just go under, look under Michelle blood, okay, under my name, yeah, okay, they'll just come up. I   Michael Hingson ** 44:29 will, I will be doing that this afternoon. I think that's that's pretty cool. You know, in in our world today, we become so materialistic in so many ways, but at the same time, a lot of people have really become students of your affirmations and so on. How did they really become students? And I think even more important, one of the questions that I would ask is. How does it really transform, or did it really transform people's consciousness and set them on a road toward a more spiritual path? Because I think in so many ways, we don't see people doing that, and at the same time, I know there are a lot of people who do, but by the same token, there's so many people who go, oh, this is just all pokem. It doesn't really mean anything, but that's just not true.   Michele Blood ** 45:24 Well, I think it's, it's an interesting question to answer, because there are so many different types of people in the world, and we can't expect to change people. They have to, you know, I don't want anyone to suffer. Michael, first of all, so I think having positive thoughts in their head is going to actually make them think less of themselves, believe it or not, these the way the lyrics are done, and more of joy and sharing and caring about other people, because it is so important to to do that, because people, if they get too much into themselves, Like I say to people, don't buy anything if you're buying it. For someone else to be to compliment you, that's a really good way of deciding what you're going to purchase in your life. If you're doing it to you know, to say, Oh, I've got this really nice car. Look how great I am. But get it if you want a good car. Get it because you want a nice, safe car that's good for the environment, but don't get it so that you will impress other people. Unless you're a real estate agent, they do need good cars, apparently, to drive people around, yeah, I guess so. Drive people around,   Michael Hingson ** 46:35 but, or drive people crazy, yeah,   Michele Blood ** 46:37 but. But I also think it's important that that if you want to, you can't tell someone to be more spiritual. They have to get into a positive frame of mindset first. Because when you're in a positive frame of mindset, you start feeling more of a heart blow, more love. And even if you don't believe in God, you believe in love everybody, I know you do, so whether it's your animal that you love, because every animal is an angel, whether it's nature, smelling the remembering to stop and smell the flowers, remembering to not let yourself complain. Complaining will take you down a rabbit hole of absolute negativity and please. People remember, the only reason you're complaining is because you're feeling fear about losing something or not getting something that you want. And so if you can stop complaining for 28 days straight, you will change your life. And I know that sounds impossible, but many people can do it, because I've seen my students do it. So if you can stop complaining and stop half if you're halfway through a complaint about something or someone or politics or Trump or whatever in the hell it is, stop yourself halfway through and just say, Why am I complaining? And people are complaining because they're in fear. If you can stop and be mindful enough to say, I'm complaining because I'm afraid of something, and I don't want to face it and find out what you're afraid of, the thing that you're afraid of will dissipate. Yeah, it really will. So I think that's a really good place to start listening to the positive songs, for sure, going to every single unstoppable mindset podcast you possibly can go to reading Michael's books, and also, just knowing that you can get out of that rabbit hole, it is totally possible, and I've seen it in people from all different cultures and religious backgrounds all over the world. I've traveled to so many different countries, and have so many different audiences, and everybody wants to be loved and be loved in return. And everybody wants to see other people happy at their core. They really do. We don't want to make people unhappy, do you? So stop complaining.   Michael Hingson ** 49:07 You know, it's, it's interesting that you, you talk about all this, one of the things that we talk a lot about, and you'll see it and live like the guide dog, is that we need to become more introspective. Because if we do and we really look at ourselves daily, and, for example, look at what worked today, what didn't work. Why didn't it work? You eventually get to what was I really afraid of? And if you really stop to think about that and go, I didn't need to be afraid of that, your life will change, which is really, as you're pointing out, what it's all about.   Michele Blood ** 49:44 Excellent, excellent. I'm looking forward to reading that as well, and then I've already told everyone to get thunder dog on all my lists. But now I'll be, after I read the next one, I'll be telling them to read that as well, because we're on the same page. Michael.   Michael Hingson ** 49:59 Tell me a little bit about something I've read in your bio, how you went from affirmations to a full kundalini awakening.   Michele Blood ** 50:09 Well, when I was working with Bob Proctor in Asia, I was saying to him one day, I feel this heart blow like I feel like my heart is out of my chest, and I feel such deep love. And it's not for any person, place or thing. It's for everything, actually, but it's beyond that. It's divine. And he said, you're looking for an enlightened teacher. That's what you need. And I said, Well, where do you find an enlightened teacher, and what exactly is that? And he got me to read Autobiography of a Yogi by Hara mahansa Yogananda. And I'd read it before, but I didn't really get it like I did this time when I read it, and I realized that enlightenment wasn't just one person. People can actually meditate and go into higher states of consciousness, but I wasn't thinking of how is an enlightened being around in this modern world? That can't be right? Because I it must be like unless it's Asia maybe. He said, I don't know. He said, I did have a Canadian man who was enlightened, who taught me for three years before he died, left the body. And he said, you just have to pray for it and know that the teacher and the student will find each other. It took me 14 years of searching all over the world, and eventually I found an enlightened teacher in all places America, and I decided to go off the grid, and I really had to to study with her as a student, because she didn't like us to be on Facebook or social media. She said, you don't want attention on yourself when you're studying with me, because you want to be able to go in deeply. Yeah. So I went off. I studied with her for 12 years, but after the first few years, I went into a full awakening myself, never expecting that. Didn't expect it to happen to me. I thought, how could a rock singer in Australia, have a kundalini awakening, but I did, and now I love to teach mysticism and spirituality and meditation practice to students from all over the world. And I love to do it. I think there's so many tools in the toolbox of life, whatever sort of personality you have, whether you're extremely religious or you just want to have more positive outcome. You want to become healthier. I think meditation practice is good for everybody. You do not have to be religious or think of spirituality to enjoy a quiet mind. It'll slow down your blood pressure. It will give you pump your blood, it'll stop your mind from going down a million rabbit holes where your senses take you. I just think meditation practice is a miraculous, privileged thing to do.   Michael Hingson ** 52:53 I agree. And you know, one of the things that it's a little bit off topic for what you just said, but we were talking earlier about people praying and looking for so many things. I'm amazed at how many people pray to God, telling God what they want and what they think they need. And I'm sitting there whenever I hear about that today, especially, I think, Wait a minute, God already knows that what you need to do is to listen to get the response, and thank God for the response, but people just don't do that. I'm just so amazed at at that. But it's it is so true that we spend too much time not doing the thing that we really need to do, which is listening and talking with God, not talking to God.   Michele Blood ** 53:46 Yeah, that's why I I'm loving recording the new prayer app, because I explain to people what prayer actually is. It's not If you do this for me, God, I'll start, stop eating pizza, yeah? Or maybe trade off. So I teach people what prayer actually is, and it's, it's really the most sacred thing and beautiful thing, and it will uplift you, even if you just, I've got a section where they I'm praying for others, so they can just listen to any different topic of what type of prayer, but the main thing for me was explaining, doing the introduction of what prayer is and how to pray, because so many people have no idea what prayer really is, that communion with your higher self, and once you get to understand what that is, then you can hear that still, small voice you can literally hear through. Ah, your intuition becomes stronger you can and intuition is you being in tune with your higher self. And your higher self is omniscient wisdom. It created everything so it knows what. To tell you to do, and it will bring into your experience everything when you accept, when you can be open and receptive to receive and to give, just sort of let yourself go, just surrender to that divine Higher Self, when you can learn how to do that. That's another thing that I do on this prayer app is teach you what surrender really means and how you can do it. It's not taking your willpower away from you, because everyone that's a gift that we've been given. So we can make good choices in life, sometimes bad choices, but we can use our willpower to get ourselves out of that rabbit hole. So thank you for asking that. Michael, it's   Michael Hingson ** 55:41 extremely important to be able to do that. Well, you mentioned earlier that you had gifts for people listening to this podcast. Love it if you tell us about that,   Michele Blood ** 55:52 yes, yummy gifts. If you go to Michelle. Blood com, it's spelled M, I, C, H, E, L, E, B, L, O, O, O, d.com, forward slash unstoppable mindset. We've called that. We've made that link especially for Michael's podcast. Just for your people, they will get the audio version of one of my favorite books I've written called the magic of affirmation power audio book. They will get that for free, but in that audio book has tons of affirmations you can repeat after me, links to some of my music for free. You'll also get a six week mysticism course, and there are other things as well. I can't remember what they are right now, but they're all on that link.   Michael Hingson ** 56:37 But Michelle blood com slash unstoppable mindset. I thank you for the otter. Appreciate that. Well now if people want to come hear you, I know you do live events and you do zoom events and so on. How can we learn about that? How can people do that?   Michele Blood ** 56:57 Well, they can go to request Divine light.com to find out what is my next event, because I have free events, a lot a lot of free zoom events people can come to, and you'll just get to meet so many happy, lovely people from so many different countries. And we just have a blast together. And you'll be very, very uplifted after everyone, because everyone that comes on are just, we seem to be attracting, over the years, just people that are really, sincerely wanting a better life and to do it, to do good in the world. And I just love them all so much. So if they go to request Divine Light com, they can see where my next free event will be. I mean, it's on Zoom, but I mean when it will be   Michael Hingson ** 57:46 right? Request, divine light. Com, cool. Well, I really appreciate you coming on. And obviously people can go to Michelle blood, com, and there's a lot there, I would assume as well. So hopefully people will go, go check out everything that's there, and we'll take this seriously, because I think there is so much that you have offered. We've had a number of people on unstoppable mindset who talk about everything from reg a to Eastern medicine, meditation and and so many things. They all can't be totally wrong. So from my perspective, they are not wrong. But by the same token, it's fun to be able to get a chance to to have you on. We'll have to do this again, and I'm going to certainly go download the apps and put them on my nice little iPhone and start taking advantage of them. But I really appreciate you coming on and and being with us for an hour today. Well,   Michele Blood ** 58:51 Michael, thank you for the books that you've written and everything that you've done in the world. I just think you're just an inspiration and just a lovely, lovely man. So thank you. It's, it's lovely getting to know you. And I'm just going to tell everyone about these books, because they're amazing, well written as well. Just really, really good.   Michael Hingson ** 59:13 Well, thank you. So, when are you going to do a podcast? I'm going   Michele Blood ** 59:17 to do a podcast with a man called just I just had a brain fart. Thomas Miller, uh, at the moment, his podcast is called subconscious mind mastery, and he's interviewed me quite a few times. We met in person, and I love his outlook on life, about really not saying no to anything that's mystical. And so we're going to start one next year together. He's already got his own, but this will be a different one where we'll go a little deeper, a deeper dive into mysticism. I think we're going to call it well,   Michael Hingson ** 59:55 if he needs a guess for his existing podcast, if he has guests or. You guys have your podcast together. If you ever want a guest, I volunteer. So I'll just, Oh,   Michele Blood ** 1:00:05 I'll tell him today. Goodness, yes,   Michael Hingson ** 1:00:10 I'm, I'm always, I'm always open for that. Oh,   Michele Blood ** 1:00:13 I'll tell him today. Yeah, because you, I love you.   Michael Hingson ** 1:00:18 Well, I want to thank you for being here, and I want to thank all of you for listening. I hope you enjoyed this at least half as much as I did, hopefully as much as I did. This has been a lot of fun and educational, I think, in so many ways, to help us deal with our outlooks on life. I'd love to hear your thoughts about it. Please feel free to email me. Michael h i at accessibe, A, C, C, E, S, S, I b, e.com, or go to our podcast website, w, w, w, dot Michael hingson.com/podcast, and that's m, I, C, H, A, E, L, H, I N, G, s, o, n. So Michael hingson.com/podcast, and wherever you're listening, please give us a five star review. We really value your reviews. But of course, love the five star ones, so if we can, we would really appreciate it if you give us a five star review and and say, say good things about us and and go off and definitely visit Michelle's pages. And, of course, being very prejudiced, go to Michelle blood com slash unstoppable mindset and get some free gifts from her. And if you know of anyone who you think would be a good guest, and Michelle you as well. I'm always looking for podcast guests, so okay, don't hesitate to to refer people to us. We appreciate that a whole lot. So once again, I want to thank you for being here. Michelle, this has been a lot of fun. Thank   Michele Blood ** 1:01:45 you. Michael, God bless you. More love everyone. More Love   Michael Hingson ** 1:01:54   You have been listening to the Unstoppable Mindset podcast. Thanks for dropping by. I hope that you'll join us again next week, and in future weeks for upcoming episodes. 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YOU SAY by Lauren DaigleI keep fighting voices in my mind that say I'm not enoughEvery single lie that tells me I will never measure upAm I more than just the sum of every high and every lowRemind me once again just who I am because I need to knowOoh-ohYou say I am loved when I can't feel a thingYou say I am strong when I think I am weakAnd you say I am held when I am falling shortAnd when I don't belong, oh You say I am YoursAnd I believe (I)Oh, I believe (I)What You say of me (I)I believeThe only thing that matters now is everything You think of meIn You I find my worth, in You I find my identityOoh-ohYou say I am loved when I can't feel a thingYou say I am strong when I think I am weakAnd you say I am held when I am falling shortWhen I don't belong, oh You say I am YoursAnd I believe (I)Oh, I believe (I)What You say of me (I)Oh, I believeTaking all I have, and now I'm laying it at Your feetYou have every failure, God, You have every victoryOoh-ohYou say I am loved when I can't feel a thingYou say I am strong when I think I am weakYou say I am held when I am falling shortWhen I don't belong, oh You say I am YoursAnd I believe (I)Oh, I believe (I)What You say of me (I)I believeOh, I believe (I)Yes, I believe (I)What You say of me (I)I believeI'VE BEEN SEARCHIN SO LONGby Chicago--sung by Leonid and Friends… As my life goes on, I believeSomehow something's changedSomething deep insideOoh, a part of meThere's a strange new light in my eyes (there's a strange new light)Things I've never knownChanging my lifeChanging me… I've been searching so longTo find an answerNow I know my life has meaning, oh yeah… Now I see myself as I amFeeling very freeLife is everythingOoh, it's meant to beWhen my tears have come to an endI will understand (yes I will)What I left behindPart of me… I've been searching so longTo find an answerNow I know my life has meaning… Wait a minuteSearching (don't you know I'm searching?)For an answerTo the questionOh, yeahWho am I? (Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah)(Ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah)Baby (baby)It's trueIt's only natural (it's only natural, baby)… Good thingsIn lifeTake a long time

Polaris' Chief Customer Growth Officer talks with The Current Podcast about how many of the company's customers are multicultural and have preferred style over performance. Episode TranscriptPlease note, this transcript  may contain minor inconsistencies compared to the episode audio.[00:00:59] Damian: I'm [00:01:00] Damian ​Fowler.[00:01:05] Ilyse: And I'm Ilyse Liffreing. And[00:01:07] Damian: welcome to this edition of The Current Podcast.[00:01:09] Ilyse: This week, we're delighted to talk with Pam Kermisch, the Chief Customer Growth Officer at Polaris. [00:01:15] Damian: Polaris was founded 70 years ago with the invention of the early snowmobile in 1954. Polaris takes its name after the North Star, and it's meant to reflect the location of the company's first headquarters in northern Minnesota. [00:01:34] Ilyse: These days, Polaris is the global industry leader in power sports. Offering everything from Indian motorcycles to its off road racers. And all the accessories that go with them.[00:01:44] Damian: During the pandemic, the brands saw a surge of interest in its vehicles as people embraced outdoor activity. Although it started out as a specialized brand, it continues to build on its popularity through its marketing campaign. Think outside. [00:02:03] Pam: Back in 1954, two brothers and a best friend decided they way, faster to get to their location. And they literally strapped a motor to the back of a sled and created the first snowmobile. It was ingenuity at its best. [00:02:20] And when I think about Polaris today, We have recreational vehicles. We have motorcycles. We have off road vehicles. We have boats. We also have utility vehicles that help people do work smarter. And at the end of the day, it's really about getting people outside and helping to have a better way to do things, whether it's working smarter or on the recreational side, having the most epic experiences with your friends and family.[00:02:47] Ilyse: Very nice. Now in 2019, the brand actually underwent a new rebranding with a new Think Outside campaign. [00:02:56] Ilyse: I read that there is a goal to basically grow the base [00:03:00] by 50 percent by tapping into your existing base and finding new customers as well. What was your strategy around that and how has it played out to this point?[00:03:11] Pam: Yes. So in 2019, We really took a look at talking to our existing customers, talking to potential intenders of our brands and talking to people we thought might be interested in what we offer. And we did some great consumer research. And what we learned is at the heart of it, we tapped into what they really care about.[00:03:35] And what we found is what our current existing owners care about. More people could care about. We just had to find the right people. We had to reach out to them. We had to show them how this could fit into their lives and introduce them to our brand. And it's really been a  huge effort the past few years. To find the right people and show them how this could fit in with what they  already do and make it better. And on top of bringing in more new customers, it's also bringing in new people that look a little different than our core customers.[00:04:11] Damian: Very interesting, because when you think what sell in a way, kind of very specialized, I don't know whether I'd it niche. [00:04:22] Pam: you know, I think when you look at household penetration off road vehicles, for example, household - So you're right. It's not something where it's 70, 80, 90 percent of the market has one of these. But what I will say is if you think about some of the audiences. We do attract people love outdoor recreation. love being outside. They love adventure. They might do camping, they might do hiking, they might do fishing. We also think about the people who do property maintenance They're farmers, they're ranchers, They're hunters. So, when you think about those populations, they are much more likely to buy our products. But if you look at the penetration even within those, We don't have 80 90 percent of hunters, so there's still so much penetration opportunity within people who do the activities where it seems like they would really benefit from something that we could offer them. [00:05:26] Damian: Was there a moment when you realized there was the potential to expand the audience? That's so interesting to me and I wonder how you found that opportunity.[00:05:40] Pam:  So I'm kind of a nerd, self admittedly kind of a nerd. And I really think that CRM and data and analytics played a huge role in this journey because prior to [00:06:00] having that type of capability, we actually didn't know how many customers we had. We had customers for decades, but we actually didn't know how many customers. We knew how many units we had sold, but units does not equal customers because you have people who have owned more than one over time. So going back a handful of years, we were able to Get CRM, take our data in, cleanse the data, de dupe our, people and, understand how many customers we had and set some goals and start measuring how many new customers came in each year.[00:06:35] And when I say new customers, some were brand new to the category. Some had owned competitive vehicles before, but never bought from Polaris.[00:06:45] Pam: some may have owned a used Polaris vehicle, but had never bought new from us. So It's not a flash in the pan sort of thing. This is a strategy that we really need to go after. And so it became very intentional to, of course, as the global leader, it's in our best interest to get existing customers and come back to buy again because we have the largest number of existing customers. But we also need to focus on bringing in new people and we've proven we can do it. So let's do it. [00:07:17] Ilyse: And that first party data is huge to any brand. How is Polaris is actually getting your first-party data from customers? Can you explain that shopper journey a little bit? And may how that journey may be different from a traditional auto dealer.[00:07:31] Pam: And Absolutely. So if you buy a car. It has to be warranty registered. So that manufacturer will know that you bought a car from them. So if anything should go wrong with warranty, that they are able to contact you. Very similar, when someone buys one of our vehicles and it gets warranty registered, we receive the customer information.[00:07:54] And we certainly can use third party data to append that, but we know who owns that vehicle. [00:08:00] We also do have people who visit our website. In our dealerships, the majority of them, we call them multi line dealerships. So, they do sell Polaris, but they also may sell Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Can Am. And so, you think of it very to being grocery store being in a cereal aisle, where you have all the competitors right there in the same you may think you're going to the cereal aisle to buy Frosted Flakes and Flip and buy multigrain cheerios. [00:08:32] Pam: A customer can come to our dealership thinking they're going to buy a Polaris Ranger and that salesperson can flip to a Can Am Defender. And so when you think about it, it is in our best interest with marketing to try to get that customer as committed to which brand and which product they want as early in the journey as possible to make sure that they can't get flipped at the last minute at the dealership. [00:08:59] Ilyse: You know, when it comes to digital marketing, because it's such a niche product, are there specific digital channels you've found to have more potential to reach the type of consumers you're trying to reach? [00:09:20] Pam: You know, I would say it's less about it being one particular channel because at the end of the day, our, our customers are, they're all over the place [00:09:31] in terms of their habits, their consumption habits, and whatnot. They're [00:09:34] regular people. But what's more important to us is understanding the people who buy our products. So we do have our owners. We know who our owners are. [00:09:44] And we can do third party data appending, we can do look alike modeling to understand. We can't afford to go after maybe everyone who loves the outdoors. That wouldn't make financial sense. We may not be able to afford to go after everyone who owns one or two or [00:10:00] five acres of property or more around the country or the world. But what we can do is do look alike modeling and use that data with our media partners to try to get more narrowed in on: Who are the right hunters that we should be going after? Who are the right type of landowners? And part of it is not only being able to find the right people but understanding which populations which segments came to our ones ended up buying, and using that info to continually optimize. But also, lot of really, smart things these days where using our current inventory and using that our media to be able to reach out to the right show them this sportsman that you looked at recently is available right now at this dealer down the block and trying to [00:11:00] drive urgency there or using other types of data that we might have.[00:11:04] whether they think they're shopping or not at that moment in time. [00:11:08] Damian: I wonder how you're connecting this because adventure tourism is a big deal right. And that's a growig market. Is that something you're growing into? [00:11:18] Pam: I, I Yes. So, several years ago we started something called Polaris Adventures. So certainly places rented off road vehicles in the past, but oftentimes they were the old ones kind of broken down and it was really important to us from a brand perspective. We're talking about if you're gonna do something from a brand perspective, build your brand. We wanted to make sure people were in the current vehicles, the most modern ones and the ones that we knew were going to give them the best experience. So we created something called Polaris Adventures. And you can go online and you can find Polaris Adventures and you can go to one of 270 locations. [00:12:00] 268 of them are in the United States.[00:12:01] One is in Mexico. One's in New Zealand. And you can rent a Polaris Side by Side Razor. You can rent a Polaris Slingshot, which is a three wheel roadster. Think of a Batmobile. It looks like a Batmobile. it rides on road. You can rent an Indian motorcycle if you ride motorcycles. And so you can do that in all of these different markets. And I'll tell you, even though I work at the company, I have used Polaris Adventures. I've ridden in the dunes in Oregon. I've ridden in the desert in Arizona and Mexico. I've ridden in the mud trails of West Virginia, and all, all kinds of other markets. In each one of those is a different experience because the terrain is very different. [00:12:42] Rock crawling in is completely different being in the and is completely different than being different than dunes in a [00:12:59] Pam: It's an [00:13:00] amazing way to people experience it. And you know what? Not all go buy one some will never buy one. Some may buy maybe at a time in life when it fits them better. And others may just put it in their Instagram feed. And guess what? I promise this. If you were to do this activity and you were to put it, in your Instagram feed, it is the best FOMO ever. All of your friends are, you know, texting. Where are you? What are you doing? and they want a piece of that. So I think it's highly relevant in today's world. And I think we're just playing a part of this growing travel market. [00:13:36] Ilyse: So, much fun. have fOMO right now. just even talking about and you know, it's [00:13:48] Ilyse: You described your family not as the stereotypical sports kind of family, and I would imagine there's a bunch of Polaris customers that wouldn't qualify as the stereotypical power sports types of people. Are there any types of segments that you wouldn't expect that are interested in power sports vehicles?[00:14:00][00:14:08] Pam: So it's interesting if you think about maybe what you would expect to think about from traditional power sports customers. You know, you might think older white male and historically, maybe that's how the category had been, particularly with ATVs and whatnot. Like I said, half of our customers now are younger women multicultural. So let's blow that up right now. But what I will say is going back a number of years ago, We created a product called the slingshot Polaris slingshot.[00:14:40] And like I said, it's a three wheeled vehicle. It rides on road. it's 5. 5 inches from the ground, open air cockpit. and it's very auto like, right? So now you can actually, get one that is automatic or manual. And, When we started with this vehicle, we assumed it was gonna be about performance because that's what a lot of power sports customers like.[00:14:59] [00:15:00] And if you look at it, it kind of looks aggressive, so it looks like it's gonna go super fast. We marketed it. We even did demos on racetracks because it was all about performance. And it was doing okay, not phenomenal. And we actually looked at the data, and the data showed we had a much higher percentage of multicultural customers who own this vehicle, and that was really not typical of the industry.[00:15:25] So we did consumer insights research to understand what brought them to Slingshot, why did they love it, and what we found was they weren't coming in because of performance. It was the style that really appealed to them and they loved that when they drove around in this slingshot heads turned.[00:15:42] And when we said there's something to this, let's start marketing that way. First of all, I think the brand is 40 plus percent multicultural customers today. But on top of that, the white customers that are buying this love style, [00:16:00] The personalization. They love the same what's interesting is when you go slingshot meetups, a lot local groups, clubs that have organized and they all get together. [00:16:10] When you at [00:16:13] Damian: has [00:16:14] Pam: diverse group of people you've ever seen. You multicultural, old, young, it might not be a group of people you ever would have imagined congregating, but they are loving each other and checking out each other's slingshots and talking about getting together and how much they love it.[00:16:32] And it's this common community that has brought these people together. And so I think we've learned some great lessons about. Sometimes you think you know, and one of the number one rules of marketing is, you know, you don't know, don't make assumptions. You need to actually listen to customers, learn from them and be willing to adapt. And that's been an awesome learning and really opened our eyes to opportunity within power sports. [00:16:57] Ilyse: that's a [00:16:57] good [00:16:58] Pam: the [00:17:00] things and to these there's of that look [00:17:11] Damian: vehicles. And then that goes out on social [00:17:13] Pam: is [00:17:13] Damian: that a whole [00:17:16] Pam: know, white Absolutely. You know what? You know what? Here's what I will tell you. Going back, I joined Polaris in 2015 and we had done some research on the Indian motorcycle brand and the path to purchase and[00:17:32] back then, the number one way that people came in on the brand was word of mouth. And that's been probably for centuries and for decades, it's word of mouth. [00:17:43] Pam: And in motorcycles, it might been, know, yes, your friends and family, but go to a truck stop and someone else there and you're checking out their bike you're asking they ask you how you like it. The beautiful thing today that definitely still happens a lot. But with digital[00:18:00][00:18:00] Ilyse: kind [00:18:00] Pam: learn from and share with. People they don't even know. And so you see people when they're shopping for a vehicle, they will ask, how do you like yours? What do you like? What don't you like? And it's authentic word of mouth. And so from a brand perspective, if you create something wonderful and people love it and you make them feel valued and appreciated as customers, then hopefully they're the ones out there selling for you. [00:18:28] Ilyse: You know, you mentioned social media, and typically, at least, the younger generation are on social media. Is it more difficult to inspire those younger generations. They're known for being tied to their technology, I know the pandemic at least many people looked to go outside more. Now that it's more safe, is it harder to inspire those generations to think outside?[00:19:03] Pam: I don't think so. what I will say is getting outside with friends and family and sharing experiences. is something people, especially our younger people love to do. I think a lot of our younger customers will tell you that if they're new to the workforce or if they're in school, you know, they feel handcuffed to their responsibilities. [00:19:26] Sometimes when you get outside, you put the phone in the glove box and you go out for a ride and you just you turn the tunes on. You have a great time. You'll get back to the phone later. No question. And you're going to stop and capture a lot of content and share with your friends on on Snapchat and whatnot.[00:19:42] But it is 100 percent about sharing experiences, and they love that. But I will tell you, going back in time, Innovation has always fueled our category. That's just the new news. People always want the newest, latest thing. And for a long time, it was power, horsepower. Is it more [00:20:00] CCs? Is it, you know, bigger, better, stronger, faster? I will tell you, technology is playing a very large role now in what people are choosing to shop for. [00:20:10] So, a couple proof are, we have something called Ride Command. So, I want you to think about it. If you were off roading or going on a snowmobile ride, you're not on roads. And a lot of times you lose cell service out there. One of the biggest fears people have is getting lost. You're out there in the middle of the woods and you get lost. You're out there in the middle of the desert dunes, you get lost. We have ride command technology that the maps will work even when your cell phone service doesn't work. And that's super helpful. It also has a, capability ride. So say I out with different,[00:20:46] Ilyse: probably [00:20:48] Pam: we want to ride together, but I don't want to ride so close that I'm inhaling your dust or your exhaust. So we out, but you might come to a fork in the road and take a left and I go to the right. Now we lose each other. [00:21:00] That's not fun either. The ride command has a group ride function where I can see all the other razors in my group. So we can ride together. I'm doing air quotes, but we can separate. And then I still know where everyone is. So technology, it's not technology for technology's sake. It's actually making the ride experience better. And I think that is extremely relevant to our younger customers.[00:21:29] called group go five [00:21:32] Ilyse: sales climb. as, as more [00:21:43] Pam: want to spread for sure. You know, well, at my house, you know, at least in the beginning, I was Clorox wiping the groceries. So I think we all kind of have vague memories of those days and. Life wasn't very fun because you were trapped inside unless you could go outside on a walk or do something. And we saw our [00:22:00] business really sore because on one hand, from a recreational standpoint, it was something that you could do safely outside and actually think about off road riding. You could be riding with a bunch of friends and you could each be in your own vehicle. So you were safe. You're wearing a helmet. I spent that first summer of 2020. A lot of weekends out on our boat and out there, the world felt normal. So for sure we saw sales surge. [00:22:27] And we were concerned, though, thinking, Okay, this is great. But when people have other options to spend their money on, are they gonna just trade in all these vehicles and flood the market? And suddenly we're not gonna have a sustainable, you know, healthy business that we've been having. It's not the case.[00:22:47] We actually look very much at our repurchase rates, and we look at short term one year. We look at three year. We look at five year. We look at 10 year. When you look at the one and three year repurchase rates, they are [00:23:00] very healthy and the five year repurchase rate is very, very strong, which tells you that the customers we brought in in 2020, 2021, they aren't just abandoning.[00:23:12] They actually have found something that really works for them and they're continuing to come back and buy again. [00:23:18] And by the way, they're going to tell their friends and family. So we believe that, It's a, good example of I always say never waste a crisis. pandemic was tough for a lot of reasons, but it certainly gave our business a boost and brought in a lot of new customers. And it seems like it's a very healthy population we in.[00:24:36] Damian: That's it for this edition of The Current Podcast. We'll be back next week, so stay tuned. [00:24:42] Ilyse: The current Podcast theme is by Love and Caliber. The current team includes Kat Fessy and Sydney Cairns.[00:24:48] Damian: And remember,[00:24:49] Pam: find the right show them how this could fit in with what they already do and make it better.[00:24:56] Damian: I'm Damian. And[00:24:57] Ilyse: And I'm Ilyse. And[00:24:58] Damian: we'll see you next time. And [00:25:00] if you like what you hear, please subscribe and leave us a review. Also, tune in to our other podcast, The Current Report. 

Through his company, HospiVation, Jason coaches restaurant executives how to make their goals real in the restaurant and teaches restaurant managers how to transform their patterns of management to improve their hospitality leadership.HospiVation helps restaurants through coaching, speeches, workshops and books. They try to meet managers where they are and dive deep in the restaurant's team to help them build better teams. Jason has wanted to work in the restaurant industry since a very young age and got his first job as a restaurant dishwasher at the age of 15. He's worked for 20 different restaurant brands during his career. One of the biggest mistakes restaurant managers make when it comes to leadership is trying to do everything by themselves and not learning to delegate. It's important for managers to understand a restaurant's KPIs, but it's also important for EVERY member of the team to understand the KPIs and how success is measured.In an effective meeting, the meeting organizer and leader should talk 20 percent of the time and the rest of the attendees should talk 80 percent of the time. QUOTES “I came in through the side door. I started out washing dishes at a very young age. My mother didn't even know I got a job.” (Jason) “I've worked for 20 different restaurant brands and six of the top 100 brands in the U.S. This has given me the ability to see the Mona Lisa painted 20 different ways. All of those learnings helped to shape my company, HospiVation.” (Jason)  “Ask any social media manager. It's very hard to get people to follow you and it's even hard to keep them.” (Jason) “It's not just managing, leading and coaching – it's knowing the difference between the three. We use managing more than anything else in our day as a hospitality leader. Leadership is different. Leadership is understanding the overarching items about the industry and where to move the brand next.” (Jason) “Coaching is the mastery of small groups and one-on-ones. Coaching is you creating a space of 30 minutes to listen to your team.” (Jason) “When it comes to mastering your meetings, you have to understand that if you aren't sitting down to make a decision, you probably shouldn't be there.” (Jason) “You should never stop training, even when someone puts in a notice (and are departing soon).” (Jason) TRANSCRIPT 00:00.00vigorbrandingHello everybody today’s guest is Jason Brooks he’s a motivational speaker an expert in restaurant management and the author of the book every leader needs followers 10 keys to transform restaurant managers into hospitality leaders Jason. Thanks so much for being here. Um, I’d love to start off with just you talking a little bit about your past like some of the places you’ve been and some of the things you’ve done. 00:26.34Jason BrooksThank you Michael ah, it’s a pleasure being on forktails in amazing podcast. Your listeners are full First they know their business. They know what they’re talking about so I am honored. Um, you know my past is like many. Pasts of coaches of speakers meaning that I came in through the side door and and I started out washing dishes very young age 15 first job. My my mother didn’t even know that I got a job. Ah, she just came home one day after three weeks of working and there were a lot more groceries in the fridge than when she went to work and she’s like Jason where did all this food come from and like mom I promise I didn’t do anything bad I got a child. But cooking has been something that has stuck with me even up to this day I still find different recipes. You could find me on the weekends breaking out the smoker I have a traeger whether it’s brisket or some chicken or some ribs and. I am getting down but I’ve been in this business I’ve been in this industry for thirty plus years and I’m known as what some may call a restaurant lifer. Um, even though I’m a restaurant lifer I had some odd jobs. 01:53.21Jason BrooksIn between here and there because people that get in the restaurant business. They don’t typically wake up at the age of 7 and say I want to work in restaurants. You know they actually say I want to be a fireman or I want to be this? Um, so there was a time there that although I was good. In the restaurant business I fought it and I found that most people fight being in this business at some point because they think it’s trying to change them. They think that it’s trying to change themselves from being authentic. And it takes having that right mentor that right person that you lean on or your spouse or friend saying what are you doing you are you are good at this. You need to do this or you to then say? Okay I’m going to now truly invest my time in this. Um, but I’ve worked for 20 different restaurant brands 6 of the top 100 brands in the us and I always say this has given me the ability to view the Mona Lisa painted 20 different ways. Some of them are some amazing pieces of art. Some of them are just pieces but all of these learnings from all these brands help to shape my company called hospitalation which is hospitality and motivation and is putting that motivation back into hospitality. 03:23.31vigorbrandingFantastic. That’s great. Ah, and I you know I got to see some of your podcasts. They were wonderful and your energy is contagious I Love it. Absolutely love it. Um, so talk we’re gonna talk about your book. But let’s talk about hospiation a little bit I mean talk about what it does What you’ve been doing with it and you know give us some some background there. 03:27.43Jason BrooksAre. 03:42.45Jason BrooksUm, probation was made to help manage lead and coach restaurant tours executives back to some of the foundations that may have been lost, especially within the last four years there’s been some things lost within the skill set. Of our teams and also some some of of the things that as owners we need to recognize more of what our teams are missing to help close that gap so hospitalation helps to close the gap between. Customer or guest expectations and the operator or owner execution and we do this through coaching through speeches through workshops through books. Um, we try to meet. The owner meet the manager where they are and give those pieces and leave everything on the table I mean leave it all on field. There are no secrets. It’s just being able to help dive deeper into that team or into that person. To find out what really drove them to be successful and then help double down on those tactics on those skillsets for them to build better teams around them. 05:01.89vigorbrandingVery good. Um I mean like you know I look at I mean we we employ a lot of folks here in our company and probably 100 and some employees and you know different generations come in and I’ve been doing this for a really long time and you know I see different types of sort of attitudes and stuff and. You know we we we all lived through the whole covid thing and the restaurants I mean getting back and coming back I mean you you have in here about the motivation. Do. Do you feel like restaurants and the hospitality industry in general has lost its motivation. Are you feeling that that that they need that maybe ah, an infusion of ah of motivation. 05:38.37Jason BrooksUm, I mean it is motivation. It’s also a understanding of finding out and just remembering what made you successful before.. For example, there’s a lot of times whenever. Let’s let’s go through the whole ranks when a cook shifts into a manager role. What made them successful as a cook they tend to leave that behind as a manager or a manager into a multi-unit manager. Whenever you are a manager you’re running your own restaurant. Um, you tend to use ah a checklist you tend to create mini gms you tend to have all these things in place because there’s so much on your plate. That you need reminders to help make sure that you cover all the bases that you need to cover and then all of a sudden when they shift into a multi unit manager they tend to shoot from the hip. They don’t have any checklist. They don’t walk into the building studying anything about that business whenever they walk in if they’re running multiple restaurants same thing as owners we think that we are exuding some of the same things that made us successful. 06:56.88Jason BrooksBut we have to revisit. What is it exactly that made us successful within our last role and now how do we bring that into the next and that’s what that’s that motivation that is missing. We can’t leave things behind. We have to bring them with us. 07:14.34vigorbrandingGood. So okay, let’s talk about your book I see it behind you there leadership every leader needs followers 10 keys to transform restaurant managers into hospitality leaders. Um, it’s not easy to get people to follow. You is it as a leader. 07:17.99Jason BrooksUm, I Yes, um. 07:26.71Jason BrooksNo no, ask any social media manager it is it. It’s it’s very hard to get them to follow you and it’s even harder to keep them and that’s where that’s where some of the 10 keys. Covers is not only how do you build a followship and you have to be a wonderful follower yourself. But then how do you keep that as well. 07:54.33vigorbrandingVery good. So what? What? What do you think are the biggest mistakes the restaurant managers are making when it comes to being an effective leader. 08:02.48Jason BrooksHands down doing it by yourself I’ve seen it too many times we come in as a manager and we think that the things again the things I used to do I can just do it and then I’ll do it by myself. I don’t have trust and whenever you you try to lead a restaurant team by yourself. Yes, there’s things that you should bring with you but there’s a lot of management and leadership things that you have to learn because. Managing and leading a group of people is it natural. It is something that you have to invest time and and even money in order to make sure that you do this right? and when I say money as a investment time is money. When we put 3 hours of our life into something else that definitely cost us. We could be doing something else. But the return we get when we invest in the right way to manage lead and coach that return is just amazing and it’s not just. Managing leading and coaching is knowing the difference between the three because managing is using or or having a group of people keep. 09:24.99Jason BrooksKeeping them in the guard rails to hit a certain point by a certain time and remain within a certain budget. We use managing more than anything else within our day as a hospitality leader leadership is different. Leadership is is really understanding that. Overarching ah items about the industry about the trends about what’s going on about where to move the brand to next and it’s also when a group of people have run into a situation that they don’t know what the next step should be. And then that leadership mindset helps to shift it into painting the picture for them to see ah that’s exactly where we have to go I can’t believe I didn’t see that before now coaching is different than managing and leadership coaching is that mastery of small groups. 1 on one. That’s the thing that we forget to bring with us whenever we are trying to lead our teams is the coaching aspect. We think I don’t need to coach my teams. My team has been around been working together for the last two three years I pay him $15 per hour. They better know what to do, but it’s just not true and coaching also isn’t just you making 1 on 1 time to spew more stuff onto them coaching is actually you creating a space 30 minutes to listen to your team to find out what their challenges are. 10:59.85Jason BrooksBut they’re trying to accomplish about themselves a a about their family. All the things that helps build that relationship that when they’re in your building In. You’re not there. They have the the skillset to make the right choices with maximum results. That’s the key to coaching. 11:20.24vigorbrandingYeah that’s ah, that’s well said I know that a couple of things you said there were really really interesting. The 1 thing you said it was a big mistake people make is they do it themselves and you’re right I think as leaders sometimes we’re so used to doing things or we know how to do it and we take it for granted, we don’t take the time to for for lack of a word teach. And bring people along right? I mean you know it’s just ah, it’s one of those things where um, if you don’t take the time to to train and coach. Ah, you’re not you can’t expect them to to learn and and to excel I think that’s ah I think it’s a really good point that you made. Um so you know in your book you have 10 keys for effective restaurant leadership. 11:48.90Jason BrooksUm, but. 11:54.74vigorbrandingWant to talk about 1 of the one of those keys and you talk about kpis I mean obviously it’s important for the managers to know about the kpis but you feel it’s important for everyone to understand talk about that a little bit. Why why? Why are the kpi so important. 12:08.80Jason BrooksBecause of what we do every year as a business every year if you look at your window. Not just we do it every business that is on your block does the same thing they create this business plan. They make the business plan. They put a core of people that’s in the c-suite or just on the on the ownership team they make this business plan print it on a pretty parsial paper put it in a frame hang it on a wall and then maybe a senior manager or 2 knows exactly what that is. And by the time it gets down to the guest-facing employee. It is lost so what I mean by master your kpis as being the number one key is that it isn’t just knowing your numbers It’s not just knowing sales. And and and your profits and your losses it is about how do you create that number and make a connection with the human element that is in your business every position and either help you or hurt you in making those business goals. The question is whenever we make those goals or big rocks. Do we know what we’re doing when we make those big rocks and whenever I say big I like to use the acronym b I g not just because I like the rapper but b I g because b if it’s a big rock. 13:35.69Jason BrooksThe B is for believable is the goal can it actually be attained I intentional. Yes, it may be a goal but are you actually putting effort is your team putting effort behind making that goal happen daily and then G grounded. Grounded is if we don’t make this goal. We will not be successful at what we do so whenever we make those goals those big rocks Those Kpis are we making it believable intentional and grounded and then when we do. How do we create that same pattern for what the buser does what the host does what the matrid does what? what the cook does every single person has to understand what is the human element in the things that they do within their role 3 things that they can do to help. 14:31.40vigorbrandingVery cool. So I mean sometimes though the Kpis the numbers and all that does that get in the way of the customer experience can that some kind sometimes dilute or detract from the attention that they deserve for the customer experience. 14:31.48Jason BrooksMake that happen. 14:37.92Jason BrooksAnd. I think that’s where whenever you break it down to make the human element behind it. That’s where it makes sense because you can say that it is to grow sales. But if it’s only about the dollar item. And you’re only telling that for just the server that they need to grow sales that doesn’t make sense that does take away from the from the experience but whenever you can say whenever you can actually connect with your guest and get them to come back 2 more times because you wowed them. Because you beat the guest to the hospitality meaning you were getting things for them that they didn’t even ask for that. You remembered their anniversary when you can make that true connection and make them choose us over someone else on on the same block. That’s how we build sales. So yes, it is a number but when you can connect the human element to it. That’s whenever you can actually you can improve that experience not just make it numerical. 15:50.00vigorbrandingYeah, you nailed it I mean at the end of the day we’re we’re serving. We’re serving guests and it’s people and we want to make their day. We want to make them feel special and it is more than just numbers at the end of the day there’s numbers involved when we gets paid. We’re doing this for business. It’s ah it’s a living. It’s a passion but it’s you know it all comes around the the customer I think that’s super important I think that ties into the next thing one of your chapters in your book owner like orientation. Ah, really interesting. We. We have a thing here in our company. Um, we we as an agency. Ah. Have a thing called Homeroom which goes back to the old school days we get together on a Tuesday morning the entire organization multiple cities and we we talk about the good the bad and the ugly of the industry and at the end we ask people what they’re passionate about passion is one of our core values. And we also talk about putting your name on the door and what we mean by that is if your name was on the door. What would you do what would you do differently how would you improve the company what do you suggest and so I think that’s like a really important thing and ah we want I want people to to act like owners if owners care. Ah, owners care about the customer so owner like orientation half the feeling might might tie in there. can you can you talk about that a little bit. 17:03.48Jason BrooksYes I think that definitely when we bring our team in with the bigger picture things happen and what I mean by that is that we typically do orientation wrong right now we’ll bring them in. We’ll have a table ready some aprons shirt hat name tag. And then they’ll have a seat a stack of paper and then they’ll scribe until the pen runs hot then we’ll take them back. Put them on a laptop for possibly some computer-based training and then put them on 1 position what we’re doing right? There is that the only thing that that they’re owning is three things. 1 table which happens to be their favorite break table if you ever notice the table you do orientation at ends up being their breakck table then 2 a laptop and 3 1 position and then for the next 6 to eight weeks we’re hoping and praying that they tend to branch out to do more. While the people who train them are just going crazy because they’re like Steve where are you getting these horrible hires from they don’t want to do anything so that’s where we first start out with doing orientation wrong which is one of the easiest way. That any listener can change their ro I on a new hires. What I propose is this tick scene table same setup papers all all of that good stuff when you bring them in shake their hand ask them if they’re thirsty and then say where we we are going to start outside. 18:37.73Jason BrooksYou take them outside and not just outside you take them out all the way out to the road by the curb on the edge by the cars driving by and you then say this is your restaurant and this is mine too and this is the view that every single customer sees whether they are stopping by here or not. They they see it from the curb all the way in and this is how we look compared to our neighbor and this neighbor we actually pick up all this trash from the curb all the way up every single day because we want to make sure that we look amazing to everyone that chooses to eat here or not. And then you walk them on it. We also sweep the parking lot not just up to the curb but all the way to the edge of the lot. This is our sidewalk. We actually scrub this this is our trash cans whenever we drop trash. We pick it up and then we sweep it and we keep the doors closed because we want to keep all the flies inside. We don’t want them flying out and then as you’re doing this as you’re walking them as you’re walking them through you’re you’re also checking their body language. How much does it suck whenever you hire someone and three weeks later they’re like ah this is too much for me I’m out of here wouldn’t you want to know on day zero. This is not going to work out. So as you’re walking them around the exterior giving them that owner like view as you walk them in now talk about sightlines for the customer and break it down to a 1 a 3 and a 5 a one being the lowest or subpar a 3 being par. 20:11.50Jason BrooksAnd a 5 being exceptional service and then you’re talking them through what a 1 3 or 5 is at the host stand with a host creek with it being neat and being tidy as they’re walking through the dining room what they can hear from the kitchen ass are sitting down. You’re now connecting. Your guest experience scores with your walkthrough and they now understand and see the whole building more as you’re doing this? Yes, you do add on forty five maybe fifty more minutes onto your onto your orientation. But the return on investment you get. Of them knowing that they can help when they pull up in the parking lot. Not just when they’re in position and then your trainer’s like oh man Steve these new hires you you you you ah must have got these guys from chick-fil-a. Dunked them in the back office in holy water and then brought them back out saying please and thank you like? no actually I just made sure that they understand the big picture on day one and then that way when I pass them off to you. They now see things differently. 21:22.40vigorbrandingThat’s great. That’s great, Well look as a marketing company I mean we’re hired to help build brands and oftentimes people think a brand is the logo the name. Maybe it’s the social media the personality that we project in the in the advertising and all that which is they’re all parts of the brand. But. 21:26.83Jason BrooksHe. 21:38.69vigorbrandingAt the end of the day I mean it’s how the customer feels when they’re in there. It’s the product of course. But it’s also the experience and that’s part of the brand. So the folks you’re training are your brand. Ah you know evangelists and they’re going to be what people remember when they drive by to use your your analogy going by the road and they look over at that restaurant. They’re going to remember how they felt. 21:40.57Jason BrooksGreater. But we can. 21:57.93vigorbrandingWhen they were there Sure they’re going to think about the food and if it was good and it was a good value. Did I they treat but that that experience and and it’s really going to be those folks that you’re training that are going to make that good or bad and we’ve all eaten it. Phenomenal restaurants. Food was great and and the the service was bad, something went wrong along the way. 22:04.97Jason BrooksAre are are. 22:15.71vigorbrandingAnd in this day and age we can’t afford that I mean every touch point of the brand has to be at its peak and the people are are really integral to the the whole thing um key 6 another one of your your your your keys now I think you and I might disagree on this. Maybe we don’t I don’t know but I’m gonna I’ll dive into it. Master. 22:31.87Jason BrooksI. 22:34.68vigorbrandingMaster your meetings I hate meetings I think meetings end up being half of them more than half of them are a waste of time perhaps because I’m in them I don’t know but I just I don’t find them to be I don’t find them to be valuable at all and you know you have agendas you have follow through. You have ah deadlines and all that stuff. But. So talk to me about mastering a meeting and maybe ah maybe I’m going to learn a lot here because I have a feeling I’m going to. 22:59.23Jason BrooksWell first we suck at meetings and no, no, we we actually suck at meetings because there’s times we we ah ah have meetings in order to fill. 23:02.30vigorbrandingOkay, maybe that’s it Maybe I sucked at me. Maybe ah maybe maybe that’s when I learned this whole thing. Okay, so. 23:16.30Jason BrooksTime and space a meeting should be defined as the reason why I’m asking you to step away from your role is because the thing that we need to make a decision on. We can’t unless you are there. That’s it. 23:32.81vigorbrandingMe here. 23:35.97Jason BrooksIf that doesn’t apply to the person that’s at the table. They shouldn’t be at the table 1 and 2 you probably shouldn’t be having that meeting now a a meeting that is repetitive like let’s say a manager’s meeting why sometimes they suck. Is because it is a data dump. It is a absolute data I treat meetings the same way I treat one on ones except even a bit more extreme if it’s my meeting that I’m running I should be speaking 20% of the time. The rest of my team is speaking 80. 24:12.30vigorbrandingAnd. 24:14.29Jason BrooksAnd that’s because at that point I’ve already done um key number 3 in the book which is delegate by creating many gms I have created many managers within each department and their goal is to report out on. What’s going on and those goals from from my many gms are linked to key number 1 master your kpis they understand what the kpis are they understand the human element that is behind it and they deep dive on that data and bring it to the table. So. When it comes to to key number 6 mastering your meetings. The main thing you have to do is understand that if you weren’t sitting down to make a decision. You shouldn’t be there and 2 if it is something that is a consistent meeting. It’s a 20% from the person that’s running it and 80% from everything else because when you do that you then build this ownership and a different view on things within your building I’ll say one last piece we have gotten into firefighting way too much. We have some amazing firemen and fire women within the hospitality industry but we’ve got to stop firefighting because when you firefight you shoot from the hip you see the fire you pull the hose out. 25:41.82Jason BrooksAnd you just start dumping water on that fire. But when a fire happens in a building think about it. You’re facing one side of the building and you can only see one side.. There can be several things that is going on all around that building. We’ve got to stop being. Fire men and fire women and we had to start being fire Chiefs A fire Chief has firemen and fire women all around the building putting out these fires for us and we can say the same thing about these meetings whenever you are fire chiefing your meeting your fire team. Understands exactly what’s going on but you have put them in places around your business to know where those spires are to where you have better control of everything else. 26:30.96vigorbrandingThat’s good analogy I mean I I love analogies and I think that makes it very so that’s why you’re good at what you do I mean it was very easily understood. Well done. Um, okay so training we talk about the importance of training right? and we ah we know it’s important to train. 26:32.72Jason BrooksAre. 26:44.63vigorbrandingAh, you feel it’s important for ongoing training which I think is interesting and and certainly makes an awful lot of sense. Um, why why is that I mean like let’s face it with with a turnover in this world with with people. Maybe they’re not going to be in the job for three months why would I spend so much time training them. Um you you feel that’s important. Let’s talk about that. 27:03.91Jason BrooksYeah I definitely feel that um, never stop training is one of the keys to being successful and of course we like to say it but we don’t really like to budget it. We can train our way in and out of anything. We really can. How we fall short of executing never stop training is that we don’t have a training plan that again goes back to what the plan is we have we have a training plan. Yes, but it’s a training plan one. That’s probably been the same training plan for the last 3 4 or 5 years versus each year do we sit down and say now that our objective is this? how are we training it’s not just how we hit that number. It’s not just growing digital sales. It’s not just getting better marketing. It’s. Do we have that included within the training poke in in the in the training program for our teams or are we just adding that in here and there second piece to never stop training is it absolutely as you and I both know it needs to be written down that that doesn’t mean. That our team currently trucks at sucks at training that means that our team has several things on their mind bills spouse car. All that good stuff they are going to lose their thought and their focus. 28:31.35Jason BrooksOn the thing that they should be training that that should be a core fundamental. That’s whenever that never stop training that checklist training helps because we we want you to say all the foundational things and with how long you’ve been with me I still want you to add on. That whipped cream the cherry and the sprinkles on top from all the things that you do well to but I want to make sure that the foundation of what’s being said to every single person is done last piece on never stop training I believe that you continue training. All the way up to their last day even if they put in a two week notice you train them all the way up to their last day and do you know why? because if you have 50 people that’s on your staff and you now have 51 because you are replacing one that put in their notice. It doesn’t help you by saying well I got one more so I’m a stop training the person who’s leaving no whenever you train the one that’s leaving you are also shifting that training you’re shifting that mindset you’re training them. How to onboard onto a different team even if it is your competitor you are training them how to get on board. How to get to learn the people how to get to learn their culture because a few things happen when that happens one everyone around you. 30:01.10Jason BrooksIt’s watching the attention you’re still putting into the person that’s leaving and they’re like that is a true coach and then number 2 number 2 is how many times is it that the grass is truly greener on the other side. So you shipped into the alma still keep training you I’m going to train you to be the next whatever that you are getting into. Let’s say you get there and it sucks guess what’s going to happen. Ah Jason ah I actually want to come back because grass isn’t greener. Then you’re able to now still build on your team but I truly believe you should never stop training even when they put in a notice. 30:42.62vigorbrandingYeah I Think that’s Great. We’ve had an awful lot. We call them. Boomerangs. We’ve had several people leave during the great resignation. You know for the grass being greener and we’ve had several boomerangs come back and you make another really wonderful point and that is people around you that are on your team that are staying on your team that are. Loyal and dedicated. They see how you treat people when they leave and um, that’s a reflection on you as a leader and I think that’s really important to to keep that in mind. Ah you know if you sit there and say bad things about somebody. You know the moment the door closes behind them just ah, that’s just really a poor reflection on and on you as Leader. So I think that’s ah I think it’s very sage advice. 31:08.00Jason BrooksAre you. 31:20.12vigorbrandingRight? So um, we talked about training another thing you talk about which I find this to be I think this is really important ah closing the gap between the restaurant manager and what the customer sees I mean again. Ah you know we always often say we’re too close to it I think that may be the case here with with managers you want to talk a little bit about that. 31:20.86Jason BrooksBrother I know. 31:39.10Jason BrooksOh yes I I love this topic um and closing the gap is is. It’s there because we live the 2 wheel life michael do you know what? the 2 wheel life is okay. 31:50.89vigorbrandingI do not know what the 2 wheel life is I don’t own a motorcycle so I assume that’s what it is but I mean maybe not. 31:56.87Jason BrooksIs that although our car has 4 Wheels we are pulling into the parking lot. So damn fast. We may as well be on 2 wheels and do you know why? because we’ve gotten that fourteenth text with the fifth picture about the close last night and our main truck call said that they’re short on drivers and now the truck order is due. third third 30 minutes ago and payroll calls someone forgot to clock out last weekend and you have to log into the portal and change your hours or else they can’t process payroll so that’s why you’re on 2 wheels. Doors open Bigfoot Dragon trying to get out the car and you walk up to the front the host and has a line and you’re like ah let me come help get these table sat bus some tables run to the back, get the line down. Finally get your truck order in fix payroll. But by this time. You are on fire. Your heartbeat is racing 120 beats per minute you are lapping like Nascar you’re touching tables. You’re pointing out things to clean and you’re like whoa girl I’m on fire this is amazing. You work a triple double that day heartbeat racing. And you get home somehow fall asleep and then your email goes off ding and it’s that guest complete a 2 on clean. They had a horrible experience. You just about flip your table but they’re lying no way I was there all day. 33:30.25Jason BrooksI worked the whole day I was lapping like Nascar I was touching on tables I was telling people what to clean. There’s no way. But there’s a gap. There’s a gap between what the operator experiences and what the guest does and that gap is because we are walking through like the terminator. Head on swivel I view Twenty feet out twenty feet wide looking for the next fire fire hose on the hip just looking for that next fire and we are standing at at an average five foot six height looking down to see what that next thing is. Our customers though. It’s very different their heart rate actually slows down when they’re pulling onto our lot first, they want to see are we open. They want to see is the parking lot. Clean does it look like someone lives here. They then pull up they get out. Ah, the car slow walk up to the door and then the the guest learned this trick from covid they now check the little slit of the door to see is the bar there because they don’t want to yank um, make on the door and pull their arm out their sockt like ah it’s open. So then they finally get in like yes I can stop eating from the dashboard of my car they walk in their heartbeats slow down things are good and then they sit down and they’re sitting at an average of three feet high heart rate heart rate has slowed down eyes are dimmer. 34:59.56Jason BrooksWhen your eyes when the the ah light is dimmer your your pupils actually get bigger and then whenever you’re looking at a distance of about eighteen inches from the table to your food. You are looking at that eighteen inch and then no higher than three feet while the manager heart rate fast 20 by 20 view and walking quickly. There’s a huge gap there in order to close that gap one of the things that that you have to practice which is hard is pulling yourself out the shift. Scheduling yourself to not be in position sometimes that’s hard. We are trained from day one that when things are short we are locked in. We make that happen. But at least once a week you have to take that customer view and I’m not taking and I’m not talking taking the view. Right? before it opens. That’s like having a super bowl ad well before the game starts when it’s peak periods walk out to your lot all way to the edge view. What’s going on because that’s when the most advertising is being done walk up through the lot. Then walk in then you’re listening in then you’re hearing what’s going on when you do this during peak volumes once a week even if you can’t once a month 36:24.00Jason BrooksThat helps you to understand what that what the guest is actually going through versus well before opening or after close. 36:33.99vigorbrandingThat’s great Jason I love your passion I got to tell you so like what? what’s what’s next for you. Ah, you’re making your rounds as the speaker I mean is there a new book any trips coming up. 36:44.20Jason BrooksAnd there is a if there is a pocket companion to the book that is going to be coming out. Ah the every leader pocket guide something that managers owners can can actually have on them. Ah, a flip book style to be able to keep them on track to never lead alone again. I actually have another ah session. That’s that’s coming up for the international bowl expo that’s going to be in Denver um I will be at the qsr. Evolution conference with Danny Klein I’ll be moderating one of the panels of how to scale culture. Um, there’s a few more speaking engagements that that I’m closing in on now. But it’s been very busy, but it’s been great I get to meet lovely people just like you just like your listeners and talk great shop about what’s going on and how to put that people piece with the numbers in order to better manage lead and coach. 37:47.34vigorbrandingYeah, it’s it’s awesome I mean this industry is a way of life and it is ah people dealing with people and I think that’s super important and it does make it very tactical and grounded and it’s ah it’s great to have people like you out there helping lead and coach and teach. So ah. That’s fantastic. So I have one last question. Let’s go I asked this of everybody if you had 1 last meal. What would you eat where and why. 38:10.40Jason BrooksI have 2 answers for that first answer is a place that I haven’t been yet but I hear great things about and my last meal for that would be Oso Buco from pierro’s in Las Vegas 38:24.16vigorbrandingNice. 38:26.68Jason BrooksAh, heard that they make some amazing. Oh so puco. But that that would be 1 that I haven’t been to but would love to um, second one is I’m going to cheat and say that I’m very. Egotistical and I love my own food if you just give me the food and let me cook it I will that will be more than glad to be my last meal. So I I would do brisket. It takes me about three days um beef brisket i’d. 38:51.52vigorbrandingWhat would be what what? what? What are you cooking for yourself. 39:00.41vigorbrandingNice. 39:02.74Jason BrooksI trim it my I trim it my my ah my ah self and then I will slather it with some horse radish I make my own rub. Let it sit for about 48 hours smoke it low until it gets to write about one sixty pull that baby out wrap it in some parchment paper. Put it back in. Let it get to 206 pull it out at 8 put it inside the cooler just a regular cooler for 4 hours slice that baby up make the barbecue sauce from scratch and then do a smoked bake mac and cheese. With some grilled corn and um, yeah, that’s it right? there? um. 39:44.65vigorbrandingIt sounds fantastic I even eat lunch day so I’m starving. That’s you did well that was that was as good as anything that’s beautiful, beautiful well done so hey listen Jason thank you so much for your time and your insights it was really really ah educational. Thank you. 40:00.59Jason BrooksThank you Sir and I do appreciate the invite you listeners have ah ah a wonderful time Fork tales. Thank you so much. This has been great. 40:07.34vigorbrandingAwesome! See you soon. 

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So, George, you've got yourself a new microphone from Austrian audio Of course, one of our sponsors. Yes, it's Christmas early, extremely early in this case, [00:01:00] because I asked for this microphone a while ago and I wasn't sure if they'd send it to me because it is absolutely not. In the category of podcasting or voiceover. So I didn't think they were going to send it to me, but, they did because maybe they see what I see. And this is what I've got today to show you. And that's the You OC, not yet. OC 707. So this microphone has a lot in common with other mics. You guys are going to see from our unboxings. But this one kind of, to me, is like, I feel like, we should have done this last in a way, because I feel like it's the best of all the others, but all of us are going to tell us why their mic is the best, I think, right? So, OC707 is a small capsule condenser microphone. much like the pencil mic that we're going to see and the mic that, Robert's using. But it's just in the way that it's packaged. It's packaged as a handheld, right? So, why a handheld [00:02:00] vocal mic for voiceover or podcasting? Well, here's my, here was my thought. So, wouldn't it be nice to have a mic with a good internal pop filter? One. it's always there and it's always with you. Two, That's the unboxing part. Two, wouldn't it be nice if the mic had a decent amount of shock mounting internally, so the capsule wouldn't pick up rumble and stuff from wherever it's mounted? Yeah, sounds good, right? Well, that's the whole idea of a high quality handheld studio. Well, it's not studio. It's a live. It's just a handheld yeah. Mm-Hmm. mic, right? This is the whole idea of a mic like this. You're getting the quality of the capsule from their smaller diaphragm mics, but housed in a handheld form factor. So it can handle some handholding, meaning it will not pick up vibration. So if you mounted this to a mic arm or stuck it on a table or clamped it to a bed post or whatever it is you [00:03:00] need to put the mic, you're not going to get much rumble or low frequency noise, right? Another cool thing about the design of this mic, look at that crazy head basket. It actually it's like suspended it's it's sort of similar to my mic here where they have the capsule there, But the back of it accessible. I think that's part of their, um, a name for that tech. Yeah, they do have a name for that design, that design aspect, which I can't recall, But the idea is they're trying to make sure that there's no coloration that occurs because of the capsule being enclosed in any way at the rear. So that's the, the idea that this should give you the best off axis response, it should give you the smoothest off axis response. So before I go further and plug it in. Um, the only feature it has, really, if you call it that, is a switch. It does, uh, technology, Open Acoustics Technology. yeah, and does have a switch. The switch does engage a 120 hertz roll [00:04:00] off at the bottom end. What the slope is, I don't know. It's, I'm guessing it's probably as gentle, like a 6 dB per octave slope. But that is what you get on this mic. So without further ado, I'm going to plug it in, and it made a nice pop. I don't know if you guys heard the pop, did you? Even with the gain all the way down? So I'm going to go ahead and pot this up and let's see if you guys are catching it on your end. One, two, three. Yes, it's definitely coming up. yeah, And we'll pot down our other one. The OC 18. So now I'm on the OC 707. And, uh, tonally, it's very smooth, with what sounds to me like a little bit of a mid range, like, mid range, like, eh, eh, somewhere in the, hank, honk. there's like a little bit of a bump in the honk frequency. And that's, they did say that's by design, they actually said it has a little bit of a fuzz. forwardness at the two to three K range because they feel it [00:05:00] does help bring a vocal, um, out of the, you know, out of the mud, especially for live. guitars going on underneath you, that's gonna help. Yep. Absolutely. So, so if I was going to use this as a stand in for, uh, any of our other mics, my tendency would probably be to smooth that frequency out just to my ears and kind of put a little dip to smooth out that little bit of bump. But other than that, You're probably talking about like what 2 DB DB or so. And that's, what's crazy. You don't think two DB is that big a deal, but it's amazing when you hear, we are so tuned to hear our own voice or really human voice through a microphone. Right. And it's just, we've heard it so much. So there's any anomaly in, you know, in the frequencies, you pick it out really quick, right? But if it was a bass guitar and you added two DB of a certain frequency, it wouldn't be so dreadfully obvious. So, That's always interesting with mics. But anyway, that's the O. C. and whole. have the two mics set up so you can pot between the two, like go from the [00:06:00] 818 to the OC 707? I can do that. It'd be interesting to get like an equal distance and just kind of play around with that. Before you do that, how does it handle off axis stuff? Like if you're a bit off axis, does it get a bit lost? Yeah, we can try that. So, so I'm I'm gripping it, like, kind of like death grip singer grip and you're not hearing any. OK, if I really squeeze it, there's a little, if I move my thumb around, go. Yeah. the amount of handholding you get. But. If you hold it the proper way, as Steve Jobs would say, the correct way to hold the phone, um, by the, by the fingers like this, you get very, very minimal, um, I'm not using any high pass filters. This is right off the mic. So, so in terms of off axis, if I start speaking mic across the microphone now, and now I'm speaking at it at about, now I'm about 90 degrees. Yeah. right? One. And Definitely loses the low end and yeah, and there's the [00:07:00] rear rejection Notice the rear rejection is The rear rejection. 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, in your face, because we 2. Yeah, it has an amazing rear rejection. A bit for it to sort of sound off axis. yeah, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2. 1, 2, 1, then all of a sudden the low end really plummeted and it kind of retained some of the high end for a bit as it so very smooth off axis. And what does that mean to you as a voiceover actor or whatever, podcaster? It means that you can move around the microphone quite a bit. If it's mounted on a stand, for example, and you want to voice act. And you can move around the microphone a fair deal. And the only thing that's going to vary much at all is the volume, right? So as you get further closer, Yeah. it doesn't sound funky as you go off axis. So, All, all in all, I got to say, I'm extremely impressed. doesn't seem huge. Am I wrong about that? You know, if I get in deep, you know, those are, that's where you can really get that proximity effect [00:08:00] Mm And then back out to about, Yeah. Okay. So, so It is there. It is about this far away. 1, 2, 3, 4. So yeah. Excellent sounding handheld mic. Now the sound, the, the, um, the self noise on the mic on paper is not all that impressive at 19, I think it's 19. db um, self noise. I can't hear it But in, in reality, it's like you, yeah. if you have a heater on, if you have anything running in your environment, a fan, a ventilator, Anything you are not going to notice that it would take an absolutely extremely quiet studio. And for reference, the Sennheiser 416 is 16. So it's only 3 DB, theoretically 3 DB noisier and it's just not noticeable in any normal environment. So There you go. sometimes it's about just the sound of the noise. because if the sound of the noise is smooth, even if it's louder, Yes. than like some actual like kind Or, well, I mean, yeah, the tone of the noise, of whatever the white noise [00:09:00] tone is, and it's not very clean. So, there you go. back on the OC818 now, but that's, um, that's the OC707. do like, just kind of put them in the same place and do a quick, like Sure. B. Sure, I will do that. So, we're on the OC818, and they're very much close in alignment right now, and then we will cross crossfade over to the OC707, so you can hear there's a difference in the mid range. end and definitely more high end Right. sure. forward, less warm, less low end, crossfade back to the Seven. uh, the, uh, now we're on the OC818. yes. So yeah, round. of like, absolute purity of tone, the OC818 wins hands down. But if you want to travel and have something super robust for road use that you don't have to worry so much about, and if you want to throw in a nightclub gig while you're out on the road, Bit of karaoke. this is, this is a good choice. All right. [00:10:00] Yeah. That's a very cool mic very It is a nice mic. I do. I think it's basically the same as this bike, And you're going to explain to us why Uh, because it's the same capsule and the head basket looks very similar, but not, I have a feeling this head basket's a little bit bigger probably this one has a little bit more, tighter polar pattern if anything, possibly, but that's hard to know. Um, to show the mic clip. capsule. Sorry. I forgot to show my, my clip. too, which they give you the proper thumbscrew to set the position and lock it so it doesn't move on you. yeah, Anyway, sorry. sorry. Robert. Um, but yeah, I I think it's similar head basket, same, capsule, probably very similar electronics that like it's whatever the headbasket does and whatever else they do to voice it slightly differently. I don't think it's even in the voicing as much as it is in the polar pattern. Cause this is a little bit more of an instrument mic. So I'd expect it to [00:11:00] have maybe a higher degree of, um, You know, like a tighter polar pattern, maybe if Mm hmm. it for drums and things on stage. Um, but really convenient. I mean, I, I sent you guys the unboxing video. So we needed to see that, but it is really convenient in the sense that, um, kind of works in this similar way that a, in an SM seven or other mics work on a boom arm, so it's kind of not in the way in the same way that other mics are on the boom, It kind of nicely, gets in the right spot and doesn't cloud your view of other things. And it has this little pivot to it, which is pretty convenient, the full range of motion is from straight ahead yeah, almost full range. It, when, when you try to go. like, it That's the limit. back up. uh, so it's, Right. that'll limit some positionings, Yeah. but it is like front and back. [00:12:00] Okay. I did honestly wish it wouldn't have, um, just ran into Collided to the body of the mic, Yeah. Yeah. But besides that, I mean, It's It sounds great. I, I, I like the voicing of it. whole line. Yeah, I, I, mm hmm. the, the dynamic version and George, I don't, I think I seen those files, but so here's a dynamic one, which really just looking at it, the only The main thing you notice a difference is just. The darker color. It's kind of an interesting dynamic mic because it gives you these, um, filters and pads, it's active. So a dynamic mic that needs phantom power, and it seems to, um, maybe make it easier on the mic preamp. Um, it hmm. I would say in there with other kind of uh, Hotter Dynamic mics in like the kind of 421 type range where they kind of border a little bit more on kind of sounding condenser ish. Here's your two samples. It's only 11. It's a short sample. Here we [00:13:00] go. Guess which is which. So the second one sounds like the dynamic. Mm hmm. Yeah. And, and, and, yeah, what are the switches on there again? Give me a, rundown of the controls. Yeah. and then a, Um, high pass, a 3 position high pass filter. Three position. Oh, cool. Yeah, off being one of them, but here, let me, let me get you the, hmm. I would say that it'd be 60 and 120 It's probably going to be the same as yours, Yeah. so, I was curious. a 60 or is it 80? 80 and 120 on the Oh, mm hmm. And then the uh, the pad is like I said, 10 DB, if it's a gradual slope, I had a, [00:14:00] at, um, at, um, cutters. We had my labs that had a 400 high pass filter, you 87 I think of 300 or something like that. They're very high. Yeah, but there it's a They're a long slope. super, super gradual. Yeah. it's gradual. Now, that's interesting. So, yeah, I'm wondering if the slopes are set differently on the, on that instrument mic versus the, the pencil mic, you know, it's, they're all using the same basic guts, just in different configurations, They're all in know, same capsule. you know, color pattern a little bit by the acoustics around it, maybe, electronics, that might change the noise. Mm the noise hmm. So, you know, Andrew's mic, I would say, it to also Probably because that basket is so open probably have a more wider, polar pattern, Maybe And little bit more open sound, I would think for what Andrew has, just because it doesn't have the pop filter I mean he does have that, He's a little foam ball on there, but on [00:15:00] it much, yeah. andrew, what's, what, what are your impressions of the, uh, of the, is it CC eight, right? yeah, the CC8, which you also have. I do. I have two. I, like them. you, uh I put this through its paces. Okay, that, that is one of the problems. I'll go to the, Let me He popped it on purpose. of the problems. Is He, no, he was making a point. Yeah, exactly. I was Wizard is never late. He always arrives when he means to, right? Yeah, that's right. That's right. I, I've put this through a lot of tests. I've compared it with the 41. 6. I put it up against the NTG5. Um, I've done It in the Tri booth. I've done it in the Porter booth. I've done it in my booth, used it everywhere. Um, I think Robert, actually, I sent a file to Robert, uh, last week and Robert's response was listening to the NTG5, the 41. 6 and the. CC8, that, the CC8 moves a bit closer to the 41. 6 than the NTG5, thought so. [00:16:00] I think it's, that's what I'm hearing as well. It didn't quite have that, has a little bit more truth in the mid range. It doesn't have that, like kind of. yeah, 416, like thing. that I know it's, like what people like, but it's also technically what makes it so real. exactly. But this one, if you look at the frequency response, it's actually, is, very flat. Yes. and it's got a couple of tiny bumps in the top end to give it a little bit of cut, but it's a very flat mic. I know from other people who have played around with this mic, it takes EQ beautifully. You can really thrash it and it won't let go. So that that's a really good thing and just shows the quality of the microphone. On the downside of the mic, As we've already heard, it does tend to pop, unfortunately, So you've got to be very, very, careful when you're using this thing that you don't sort of pop continually. Um, I wanted to try this because I just [00:17:00] like the form factor of it when you're traveling, that it could be a really good, mic to chuck in a bag use when you're on the road because it is. Small, it's pretty Speaking of road, who makes that shock mount you're using with the mic? Wow. Road, road. So it does, it does not come with any kind of shock mounting of its own. it No, it just comes with a normal mic clip, Right. Same, same, same one is probably, maybe, I think it's probably the same mic clip that I have. Right. probably, let Yeah. in my And so that's the, that's the trade off. Right. So mic clips are interesting because when you first get them and you're trying to put that mic in there, you're like, man, I don't want to snap this mic clip, But the plastic is really strong and it feels like you're putting a lot of pressure in, but not the easiest, like, those things are exactly smaller than the mics and you gotta like, well, the Sennheiser my clip was the same way. I remember the four 16 people. I would just think like, is this going to fit? But that's what, [00:18:00] that's why it doesn't fall out. Yeah. so really. that's what you get is the clip Yeah. and then the foaming that that's all that comes with So do you think if you were to travel with it, you would actually bother to bring along the bigger shock mount for it? Or would you just use the clip? I'll just use the clip? Yeah, because I'm not touching anything, nothing, True. fine. The only other downside was because of having one of these, because I'm trying to make the road case as small as possible, and Right. really attractive. Like if I get a, you know, the old NTG5, You can plug it straight in. in. World's most badass USB mic. Uh That's what you end up with. But this one is too big. it doesn't Okay. The chassis is too thick. Yeah, it's too uh huh. What you might be able to get is a, uh, what would you need? a, um, female to female or male to female, uh, adapter. Like a little Barrel. yeah. It's an extender. They call it a [00:19:00] barrel extender? Yeah, And I bet you that would get you plugged straight in there without a Yeah. would. yeah, Which is essentially the world's shortest mic cable. Off to Yes. what it is. Peters or you could just get your Dremel tool and start filing off and thinning out the back of that OC eight. worth it. Oh, so worth it. Yeah, that'll work. Making it a perm, a permanent attachment to the mic port pro and just like the, well, these work. together. That's the, I guess you could try to widen that channel in the mic port pro, which, which, which is going to be Andrew. I don't think he's going to machine the tail end of his mic. go neither. Yeah. Is you agreed. just pull it apart. Just solder it in, you know, Yeah, there you go. Like, there you go yeah, yeah. But anyway, I, I, I, I really like it. I think it's, um, me, the, the sound of it is, is really good. Um, of you on it, to be honest. I, It sounds great on that. sounds the way a small diaphragm condenser should sound, which is really clean, and really [00:20:00] articulate, and just dead, dead accurate, Yeah, lack of a better word. use like small diaphragm condensers like that on stage for opera singers, Mm hmm. In fact, that's an extremely common use case. You'll often see the ships where they have the little head Yeah. this very skinny long pole. Yeah. that goes down to a floor. stock is like 400. Yes. Yes, it is. expensive mic cable, technically. But yeah. they don't use, uh, they don't use you know when money is no object. They're not using large diaphragm mics. They're using I think the Beatles used up on, uh, the Yeah, on the let it be. Yeah. I Yes. the Beatles ones weren't they? they were using the AKGs. I'm sure. AKG version of that with the, Yeah, yeah, it was Well, you know, Austrian Audio is still a young company. They're not trying to, you know, they're there. You can tell that they're carefully rolling out iterations of the mics. You know, they could eventually make a remote capsule version of [00:21:00] this mic where the capsule is on a cable, you know, and it runs down a long cable and, you know, for extremely small, you know, when you're trying to get the capsule in really tight spaces, or if you want to mount it to a violin or the body of an instrument or whatever, you know, so there's a much more they could do. much about, their capsules and they're, and they're less about, you know, like, I, wonder if they would, I don't see them doing it, but like Would they do a tube mic? Mm hmm. I don't Who knows? in their in their thought process. Like, know, we're just trying to provide very They seem to be looking forward. need a tube for that. You Yeah, they seem to be kind of looking forward and not looking so much backward like traditional design. interested in color for the sake of color. Right. They're like you, you do your color, we'll give you truth. Which I dig that. Yeah. Maybe, Maybe, they will do a C12. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? They got the [00:22:00] capsule. Robbo, did you get anything new yet? Or is this all about us today? Nah, I got a new toy too, but I mean, you've kind of seen it before, but I thought I'd unbox it anyway. Because it's All right. and this is literally, uh, can I say, this is literally an unboxing. I, I was spoiled. Firstly, can I say, hello to the Aster. Mm. Mm hello to the arsehole who stole my, um, my Hi X 65s while I was at my parents place looking after my mum. uh, they kindly replaced my, uh, my 65s hmm. and gave me a pair of. The 55s. Ooh. that inch in a quarter inch? sound Oh, do they? Okay Yeah, But what I, what they did give me was this, let's look at that. yes Now this, this. literally is an [00:23:00] unboxing, I have to say, because I haven't had a chance to get to it, but it up. And yeah, like you say, use it to tie your cables down and stuff. No, I think I threw that away. Yeah, What were you thinking? I don't know Oh, look in its own little road case and everything. How's that? yeah, yeah, You know when they're, you know when they, uh, they're, in a different price category, when they give you a case, a road case. yeah, Yeah, I know. It's very Mm hmm. um, so yeah, so look, this will probably, to be fair, this will probably be making the trip with me when I have to go into an agency client, who shall not be named, of mine, who doesn't believe in investing in microphones, so this will probably be handy because it will probably be coming with me. [00:24:00] Don't get it stolen from your car. Yeah, it won't be staying in my car by itself. Don't worry. Yeah, yeah, there we go. Certificate of quality. Can everyone oh look at that? yep. So that? was, uh, Oh, this year 30th of the 4th, not individually listened to and signed off. Yeah. And then polar pilot handbook sticker. there we yeah, that's cool Some drugs, cool. um, The cable that goes in the back of it for The The mystery magic weird cable. Yeah. Now, uh, uh, we were talking about these before, we started We didn't, we didn't like them, basically. made the point that it doesn't swivel, which Yes, I hadn't thought about having seen you guys using, yours, but you're right, the fact that it doesn't swivel, You can't, you can't do no, but you can't, You can't do this trick, right? can't rotate the mic in the basket, right? So if that's something you want to do, you [00:25:00] can't do it with that clip. I'm using ironically or interestingly, I'm using the original 414, yeah. 414 clip, yeah, is completely compatible, interestingly enough. So if you have one of those laying around, can use it. and, honestly, those, uh, Austrian audio clips are not cheap. No, I'm, I'm No. I think they're like a hundred bucks. yeah. But, um, a nice clip, it's just like, it doesn't let you rotate, and that's the Right. It's well made, it just, yeah, has that one lack of flexibility. So, I recommend You get the, Triad Orbit It makes a super awesome pivoting ball head mount. Okay. That makes it extremely easy to quickly rotate a mic. Well, it's a ball head, so really, any direction. Um, but, give you, I suppose, Do I, I sound any different, by the way? How do I You sound warmer, Robert. Do I I change my mic? Yeah. Uh in defense of Austrian audio, I think I know why that [00:26:00] shock mount is the way it is. Because if you look at the OC818 and look at the back where you've got, you you can either put a, you know, the Bluetooth dongle or the second Hang on. Here we go. Yes. If it was completely around, you wouldn't be able to put it in there. Cause I can't use the Rycote on the 818 for that Ah, you That is true. There is a little, Yeah. Okay. mind my goofy little pop screen, but there is a little opening in the back right here. that's, that's the reason Right there. give you that same mic clip for the 18 and the other, I was going to other, it to be able to rotate it, you do have, I mean, it's not a shock mount, but you do have option, I guess, yeah. it, Yes, absolutely. I mean, the bottom line is, that, that is Have we done a lot of tests of shockmount to not to shockmount or not to shockmount like in a context of voiceover? don't think there's almost any situation where you'd know if you're using the shockmount or not. Unless you bump into [00:27:00] something. a voice act, if you were voice acting and you were one of those um, and you, let me turn, get off that. If you're one of those people that sort of, you know, threw your hands around and did the whole, ah, you know, blah, blah, blah. And you accidentally. You know, I mean, yeah, okay, It's not Oh, yeah. but if you bumped it or kicked it with your toe or something, it might Yeah, I mean, even with a shock mount, if I bump the arm, Yeah. well, it's hitting the booth too, but yeah, if I bump the arm, you're definitely going to hear it even with a shock mount. So, Hmm. Yeah. but, um, it's nice that they give you, they give you the clip. You have. the option. You have the option. So I'm really excited about that. I'll, Oh man, are you kidding me? Austrian audio has hooked us up. I would like to say. Yeah. uh, firstly, I know they're sponsors and I know we've just scored all this, but firstly, awesome gear, seriously. my, I was, when my headphones were stolen from my car, was [00:28:00] devastated because I'd never used headphones to mix until they sent me those a while ago. And I've fallen in love with them like it was, Yeah. C monitor. I sort of, I mix on my main monitors and then mix down in the crappy little computer speaker that I use. And then I was putting the 65s on and, and they just become a part of my workflow. And when they went, I was devastated. So, um, So, so the fact that, uh, the fact that they've come back and by the way, if you're in Wyong, New South Wales, and some guy's trying to sell you a pair of Austrian audios in the pub, voodoo sound. com. au just drop me a line. Uh, my wife's uncle is actually a bikey. He's a hell's angel. So I'll Oh, he'll take care of you. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. He'll get that for you. yeah, yeah. Yeah. I love it. with an Austrian audio mic, Yeah, the before And after interview. you very much. Hey, you know what? I totally forgot, Andrew. I forgot to [00:29:00] play your your CC eight test clip. Should I play that real quick? Oh yeah, Let's So this is, what is this, Five different, a few different takes strung together. There's uh, the first one is the NTG5, second one is the CC8, and the third one is the 41. 6. Oh, cool. Okay. So now we can hear it in context with two other venerable mics. Here we go. Oh, all in the Which booth? Your Steer Home booth. He can do the, same thing Got it. Here you go. Air Arabia City Checkin has landed at City Dagger in Dubai. Drop off bags and get your pass. Visit air arabia com for City Check Dagger in Dubai. Get your pass. Visit air arabia com for detail. Arabia's City Check-in has been at City Center Shi Duga in Dubai. Well, that was interesting because they [00:30:00] all did sound different. NTG5 was hyped. It definitely is Hyped What was the last one? What was the final one? 6. Wow, the, the NTG5 is like the 7506s of microphones. It's like, just like low end, high end, like You know, I, I guess they did that because they wanted to sound totally different from the NTG3. not that it doesn't sound nice, but it is not, it's, I don't think it's flat, No, no, it's not flat. The CC8 is the flat mic. This is this, this is flattest and one right here, right? Yeah, Yeah, that's, that's what a flat, proper, accurate microphone sounds like. the others are not that like, edgy kind of like lost some low end And it definitely had that edginess that yeah, It works on commercials i don't think you're doing your next album with it Let me hear something. you know it just has that like [00:31:00] little snarl to it that I, yeah, yeah, the like the 416. I I, no but no but you can see how it. would slice through a mix more than the other one like yeah, yeah, sure. But I guess, I mean, I, I, I, I, until I've got this sucker, I've been on the NTG5. maybe it's because I've got used to it, but I just listened to that then and went, wow, that's Right. Right. it's compared to the ntg5 it's very thin. Yeah, that's incredible. comcom I mean, I liked hearing the CC 8 in the, in the, in the, context of those two shotgun mics. Cause it just brings draws attention to the fact that those shotgun mics are not accurate. They're not flat. They have a very distinct tone and that tone can be a detriment or it can be exactly what the client wanted. So Yeah. can get lucky and a lot of people are used to that sound. I mean, we're programmed to hear that [00:32:00] 416, 416, um, on human voice. So we've gotten very used to that EQ curve, you know. Hmm. So we're just out of interest, out of the three mics in that shootout, Which one did you prefer? Which one did you find more pleasing? And which one do you think would be perfect for chucking in a road case and taking with you? well, I mean, I'm not mixing it so I could use any of them. Um, my, just straight out of the mic sound, which just sounds the most commercial ready to go on the air, probably the Road, is my opinion. I would agree. wow. I would agree. Can I just say, No. ago, I would have said 416 any day of the week, but I'm hearing that now, it's changed my mind. I think the road has a lot of low end that once you're done mixing, you're going to pitch it. And mean, you're going to cut that out anyway? Yeah. it though, in the first place. No, I know it's just the 416 gives you that just like [00:33:00] push the fader up and you're done kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. mix and it's not really, when you isolate it, you're like, eugh. But if I take this it just like, Kind of pokes through and it's just does that thing that I think that's what people are going for because I don't think you can accuse the 416 of many things like it is not accurate and it is not pretty sounding Right. it just has this like, it's going to sit in a commercial sounding mix where you want that voice to be heard, going to get heard with less effort than the other mics, little, for you voiceover for you specifically, Andrew, I would go NTG5 for your shotgun. And I would say the 818 for your large diaphragm. They'd be my two picks. Okay. I've, I just want to do one last experiment with this microphone because I we know it's flat. But [00:34:00] if I hit the 4k button on the SSL, has given it more of a, uh, Crunch. Mm hmm. It is like instant 416. almost. Yeah, it's given it that top bump for sure. It's just emphasizing what is there and pulling it that's right. what I'm hearing. Yep. Yeah, interesting. that does something similar from, um, who does it slate digital Mm hmm. air, Mm hmm. you've talked about that one a lot. my. go to for that sort of thing. Absolutely. Just winding it in so it goes, if anyone cares, it goes, on the voice bus and it goes on the final mix bus For Oh, wow. That's where I use it. Mm say, I would say the the CC 8 is the most flexible. if it was a sound and you didn't know, like, you're going to do a hi hat or a voice or this or that, I yeah, CC 8's got the most natural soundstage more of a [00:35:00] desert island mic. Yeah. You could use that CC 8 on literally any instrument. And you'd be fine with Just a little EQ Just call me Human human voice included. I mean, Yep. yeah. yeah. 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Afrocuba de Matanzas is widely considered one of the best preservers of Afro-Cuban folkloric music and dance on the island, but the group also created one of the funkiest and most exciting musical innovations in 1973 when they blended rumba percussion and batá drumming to create batarumba. As the years went on, batarumba became even more complex and versatile, as Afrocuba musicians added in instruments and rhythms from son, Abakuá, Iyesá and adapted the songs of Celia Cruz to a batarumba format.Songs played:Tambor, Afrocuba de MatanzasBaila Mi Guaguancó, Afrocuba de MatanzasCaridad, Afrocuba de MatanzasRinkinkalla, Celia Cruz & Sonora MatanceraRinkinkaya, Ritmo y CantoLearn more about batarumba in Rebecca's book: Geographies of Cubanidad: Place, Race and Musical Performance in Contemporary Cuba Support the showIf you like this podcast, please subscribe and give us a 5-star rating on Apple PodcastsFollow The Clave Chronicles on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook @clavechronicleshttps://theclavechronicles.buzzsprout.comIntro and outro music: "Bengo Latino," Jimmy Fontanez/Media Right Productions

This long-awaited Medtronic 780G is now FDA approved. It's been out for two years in Europe and has features that are a bit different from other commercially available automated insulin delivery systems in the US, including a target range down to 100. This week you'll hear from Heather Lackey, global medical education director for Medtronic Diabetes who also lives with type 1 and has used the 780G. We talk about what else this system can do – remember this is the one with the 7-day infusion set – and Stacey asks a lot of your questions. This podcast is not intended as medical advice. If you have those kinds of questions, please contact your health care provider. More info here: https://diatribe.org/medtronic-minimed-780g-approved-fda Lackey mentions a study where even with no meal boluses for three months, people stayed mostly in range. Here's that study: The Official Journal of ATTD Advanced Technologies & Treatments for Diabetes Conference Madrid, Spain—February 19–22, 2020.  Diabetes Technology & Therapeutics. Feb 2020.A-1-A-250.http://doi.org/10.1089/dia.2020.2525.abstracts Please visit our Sponsors & Partners - they help make the show possible! Take Control with Afrezza  Omnipod - Simplify Life Learn about Dexcom  Check out VIVI Cap to protect your insulin from extreme temperatures Learn more about AG1 from Athletic Greens  Drive research that matters through the T1D Exchange The best way to keep up with Stacey and the show is by signing up for our weekly newsletter: Sign up for our newsletter here Here's where to find us: Facebook (Group) Facebook (Page) Instagram Twitter Check out Stacey's books! Learn more about everything at our home page www.diabetes-connections.com  Reach out with questions or comments: info@diabetes-connections.com Rough Transcription: Stacey Simms  0:00 Diabetes Connections is brought to you by The only Ultra rapid acting inhaled insulin by Omni pod five, the only tubeless pump that integrates with Dexcom G six mi Dexcom G seven powerful simple diabetes management. This is Diabetes Connections with Stacey Simms. This week, the long awaited Medtronic 780 G is now FDA approved. It's been out for two years in Europe and its features that are a bit different from other commercially available systems in the US, including a target range down to 100.   Heather Lackey  0:44 And it's just been proven to do so successfully without really increasing a lot of time below range. You know, what will the next system lead up? Will it be below 100? I don't know. But it's so nice to be waking up with glucose levels that are so much closer to someone without type 1 diabetes with this lower target.   Stacey Simms  1:05 That's Heather Lackey, global medical education director for Medtronic. She also lives with type one, we talk about what else the system can do remember if this is the one with the seven day infusion set, and I ask a lot of your questions. This podcast is not intended as medical advice. If you have those kinds of questions, please contact your health care provider. Welcome to another week of the show. Always so glad to have you here. You know, we aim to educate and inspire about diabetes with a focus on people who use insulin. I'm your host, Stacey Simms, and we are getting some big FDA approvals. Along with the Medtronic 780 G, we got word that beta bionics islet will soon be commercially available. As I am recording this I do have an interview set up with the beta bionics CEO. If all goes to plan that will be our show next week. Real quick, while the original islet dual chambered pump was not what was in front of the FDA, the pump that has been approved has some really interesting features. It's unique in that there are no steps to the programming. When you get your pump, you're not putting in basal rates or insulin sensitivity factors or anything like that. All you do is put your weight in. But that is for next week. You can follow me on social media. We've already shared some information about the islet and I've done many episodes in the past if you want to listen to those to get an idea of what was approved, but this week, we're talking about the Medtronic 780 G, as you likely remember Medtronic at the very first of what we now call a ID systems automated insulin delivery systems with their mini med 670 G and that was approved in 2017. We've been hearing about the 780 G for a long time. It was submitted in 2021. I've talked a lot about the delays in the in the news episodes. It has been approved in Canada since last year. It was approved in Europe in 2020. We're gonna go through lots of features of the pump, but you should also know that the sensor used with this system The Guardian four is approved with no finger sticks for dosing, which to me is one of the most significant changes. My guest to talk about all this is Heather lackey. She has been with Medtronic for more than 19 years. She delivers medical education strategy for insulin pump systems. She trains Medtronic education teams around the world. She lives with type one she was diagnosed at age 16. She was also a consultant on the movie Purple Hearts. She also popped up in a scene in that movie and yes, I asked her about that. Lots to get through. But first Diabetes Connections is brought to you by Afrezza. Afrezza is the only FDA approved mealtime insulin that comes in a powder you inhale through your lungs. So why should you consider this unique alternative to mealtime injections. 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Do not replace long acting insulin with Afrezza, Afrezza is not for us to treat diabetic ketoacidosis please see full prescribing information including box warning medication guide and instructions for use on our frezza.com/safety. Heather, thank you so much for joining me. I have a lot of questions for you about the new system but first welcome. I'm glad to have you here.   Heather Lackey  4:52 Oh thank you Stacey. It's my pleasure to be here and so nice to get to meet you. I listen to your podcast and just excited Good to be a part of this one.   Stacey Simms  5:00 Oh, well, I'm thrilled to have you. And I'm sure you don't mind if I say it has been a long time coming. Lots of people very excited about this improvement. Can we start by just talking about the seven EDG? What makes this different from the Medtronic pumps that have come before?   Heather Lackey  5:16 Yeah, well, the mini med seven add system is different in the fact of course, it let's say what it Phil has right still has automated basal insulin, and that insulin ID based on the sensor glucose values, but this system is set apart because it delivers does auto correction boluses, like every five minutes is needed. So we know that life with type 1 diabetes, as you well know, as a mom, someone with type one and be living with it, we know that life does not go as we expect all the time and as planned. And so many things affect our glucose outside of the three things that we've always tried to juggle for years, right? Food and insulin and exercise. But now that we really kind of identify that there's so many other things that are impacting our glucose, it really brings to light the fact that we don't get it right 100% of the time, when we dose insulin, we adjust food. And so that's where those auto corrections that are coming in real time, every five minutes, if needed, can really help. And what I love about the system is the auto corrections, you don't have to be sky high to get an auto correction. As a matter of fact, you don't even have to be high. before they begin. They're really kind of thinking like a pancreas than as soon as your glucose rises over 120 milligrams, as the basal is working as hard as it can and saying, Hey, I need help, then the auto corrections come into play. And they can start dosing a correction bolus every five minutes if needed.   Stacey Simms  6:59 So what is the difference between the auto basil and that bolus that you're talking about? Because you know, the automated systems that are out right now already adjusted basal every five minutes? What is actually happening when you say oh, and it's also giving a bolus?   Heather Lackey  7:14 Yeah, so the bolus happens every five minutes on top of the date. Right, facie, so let's say, again, the goal for many meds seven ad G, there were kind of two goals in play, right, we wanted to further improve time and range, you know, compared like with the mini med 670 G system without compromising any safety, because we all know we can drive down glucose, right, but you don't want to have a lot of lows. And we wanted to reduce the daily interactions with the system. And those daily interactions, right, the the alerts and the alarms and all of the safety pieces that were were added to mini med seven, add, those have all been now relaxed, and so less than erection and improvement in time and range without sacrificing hypoglycemia. So what's nice about the system is you not only are delivering the auto basil, like you said, right, we have auto basil and other systems that now if the auto basal cannot keep the glucose level in the target range, it predicts that the glucose level is going to go higher than it would like then that's when those auto corrections come. And they don't come once an hour, they come every five minutes. As soon as that since your glucose rises over 120 milligrams per deciliter. If the system says, Hey, I'm working as hard as I can with your basal, and I'm not able to keep your glucose at the target range that we want, right. And we'll talk about targets and here in just a minute, hopefully. But if we can keep your glucose at that target range, then I'm going to ask for some help. And that's where those auto corrections. And those are boluses. Right? boluses that happen every five minutes without the patient having to agree to them, or take any action on their part. They just happen automatically.   Stacey Simms  9:14 Alright, I have a few more questions about that. But I'll get back to that in a couple of minutes. Because I feel like most people will just see the results. And they they may not have too many questions about exactly what's going on there. But I want to get back to that bullets in a minute. But you mentioned range, and the seven EDG has a lower range than Tandem and Omnipod. Five have currently right it's correcting down to 100. Or that's a choice. You can adjust that.   Heather Lackey  9:37 Yeah, there's a couple of things that are different and new about this. And Minimates seven add definitely treats to a target, not a range. But you're right though the target is the lowest target at this moment that's available and so the auto basal target, you can set three settings Three different targets are available to where the person was diabetes , their healthcare provider can can really identify which target is best for them. But the three targets are 100 milligrams per deciliter, 110, and 120. Now 100 comes as kind of the default auto basal target. And that's because we know that this system was all of the copious data that we have. And all of the simulations that were done before this system was even launched, was using that 100 target. And that's what this system is built around to be the best target to you.   Stacey Simms  10:36 We should note that tide pool type pool loop, which was approved by the FDA a few months ago, can correct down to 87. But it is not available in any insulin pump, yet. It's a software program that was approved. So 100 for Medtronic is the lowest that you can actually use right now. But it's interesting, that's 101 10 and 120, where some other systems have, you know, an exercise mode that is a higher range, do you have any insight as to why those were chosen?   Heather Lackey  11:02 Well, those are that close to target to mirror a normal functioning, you know, system a system without diabetes . And the interesting thing is, is the 100 target is very much achievable without sacrificing time below range, right? So we're able to drive with the auto basal target being set at 100. And with having the auto corrections that are even delivering up to every five minutes, this is the system, you know, determined that those were needed. We have the algorithm that built to drive the system to 100. And it's just been proven to do so successfully without really increasing a lot of time below rage. You know, what will the next system lead us? Will it be below 100? I don't know. But it's so nice to be waking up with glucose levels that are so much closer to someone without type 1 diabetes. With this lower target.   Stacey Simms  12:03 Let's talk about the sensor because there are changes here too. Right. Tell me about the sensor that goes along with the 780G? Yeah, well,   Heather Lackey  12:10 the Guardian four sensor is the center that it works with the mini med 780G system. And the Guardian Force center was designed really to reduce the burden as daily finger sticks. That was the whole goal. Let's remove calibration from the system. And let's try to develop a system that doesn't require finger sticks. As we know, sometimes finger sticks still are needed with really with any of the systems and sensors. But the majority of the time when our patients are in the mark guard feature is they are using the SR glucose to bolus off that, you know, there's no real need for a fingerstick glucose. And interestingly enough, most patients bend upwards of you know, 95% or so in that smart guard feature. And so many patients will tell me, I am forgetting my glucose meter at home. And I had one patient that went on a trip, he went out of the country and he said, Look, I totally left insulin and glucose at home because I had kind of forgotten to take my meter bag with me. Wow, learning for sure.   Stacey Simms  13:27 Oh my gosh, yeah, my son goes without a meter quite often. Since you know his we use the Dexcom in the control IQ system from Tandem. But yeah, you don't want to forget your bag entire. That's not good   Heather Lackey  13:38 news. Okay, that's if that's now a burden that is taken off of you. And that's lovely. Yeah, no doubt. No need to be prepared, right?   Stacey Simms  13:47 Yep, absolutely. And I think it's worth pointing out that this is the only automated insulin system in the United States. That is one system, right? It's a glucose monitor infusions that insulin pump. That's all Medtronic and this system has that extended infusion set right so you're talking to sensor you were for seven days, and an infusion set for seven days, right. We'll get right back to my conversation with Heather but vs Diabetes Connections is brought to you by Omni pod. And when you're deciding that a random insulin pump, you got a lot to think about, especially if you've never used a pump before. It really can seem overwhelming. I remember that there are a lot of choices, and you want to make the right decision. And that's why I'm so excited to tell you about Omni pod five. Curious about trying an insulin pump or seeing what life without tubes is all about. Unlike traditional tube pumps, you can try Omni pod without being locked into a four year contract. You might even be eligible for a free trial, go to diabetes dash connections.com and click on the Omnipod logo for full safety risk information and free trial Terms and Conditions. Also visit omnipod.com/diabetes connections. Now back to Heather answering my question about this seven day infusion set   Heather Lackey  15:03 That's exactly right. One kind of new feature of the mini med seven add system is the extended infusion set. And that extended infusion set. It's been launched for a few months in a few different countries. But it comes now with de minimis 780G system, and really allowing people to just kind of have to think about changing a center and changing their infusions that just one day out of the week versus anymore. And so that system, you know, I have so many people that will go have our youth told us for years, you know, that we have to change our infusion set every three days. And why are we able to start to use that system now, and just been using that now for seven days. And the the, it's really simple to explain without getting into a lot of engineering details, but that infusions that is made with this advanced material. And what it does is it helps to reduce the insulin preservative, you know, kind of the loss that we would typically have, it helps to maintain the insulin flow. And it helps to maintain the stability of the unfolding. And so there's such a reduced risk of any kind of blockage or occlusions, with your infusion set whenever you use this new extended infusion set. And I always have to remind patients and people with that need us and their families, make sure you're only using the extended infusion set for seven days, and you're not using your current infusions that are that long, because the materials are different.   Stacey Simms  16:41 Yeah, good point. Can you use any insulin in those extended infusion sets?   Heather Lackey  16:47 So well, in the mini med 780G system, the insolence that are approved and on label are human log and Nova logs. So both of those are available to us with that set.   Stacey Simms  16:59 So no, Lusia if I ask, just checking, those are not approved at this time. Got it? Got it. I had a listener ask if the duration of insulin is adjustable, you know, is that a setting that people can kind of go in and tinker with?   Heather Lackey  17:13 Yeah, so active insulin kind of talks about the or is our duration and insulin kind of tuning knob that is in the programmable settings on the mini med 780G pump, the active insulin Time is of the two settings that are critical is one of the two, right the first setting is the auto label target, you know, looking at that 100 glucose target for most people with diabetes, but then also setting the active insulin time to two hours. And a lot of people will say, Look, I have never had active insulin or insulin on board. I've never thought that human log or Nova log was out of my body in just a couple of hours. And so it's interesting that Medtronic is recommending a two hour active insulin time. Why is that? And the real answer is this is what the algorithm was designed around, right, it's fine to have the ability to, you know, the algorithm is asking the patient, if you set the active insulin time to two hours, then that gives me the ability to calculate insulin, if I think it's needed, right, that doesn't always mean that you're just gonna get insulin stacked on top of, you know, each other dose on top of a dose every two hours. It just means that gives the algorithm the ability to give correction sooner. And whenever you're giving those auto correction. as frequently as every five minutes, it makes sense to be able to just kind of give the algorithm the freedom to make the decision if it's needed. And anytime I have someone that really wants to debate this, and understand how the algorithm works, I just always have to say, let's just look at the data. And you know, we're not stalking we're not having hypoglycemia in the 10s of 1000s of patients that we have data on.   Stacey Simms  19:06 Yeah, it's actually I wish I had a diabetes educator. Maybe this will be for another episode. You are obviously a diabetes educator. But it'd be fun to have somebody else from a different pump company because other pump companies will say no, no, no, exactly. As you're saying like you're stacking insulin. We set it this way for a reason. It's not adjustable for a reason. Is this two hour duration. A different setting from previous Medtronic pumps forgive me? I'm not as familiar with them.   Heather Lackey  19:29 You don't know. That's a great question. They see it the same accident one time. Honestly that has been a part of the bolus calculator settings, the bolus wizard and now the smartcard bolus feature that even since the paradigm days, right, when the bolus calculator was first presented, we're now looking at decades ago with the active insulin time. So it's the same setting we've had, but now it's kind of viewed in a different way than Then it has been in the past, right? In the past, it was very traditional, like you're saying and, and kind of how patients will think of it with, you know, whenever I'm in conversation with them, they're like, How can this be. And the simple fact is, with setting the accidents one time, as low as two hours, which is what we see the best control, the best time and range and the lowest time below range, right? So the fueler lows is actually set at two hours. And what that does is it just is a tuning algorithm knob. And it says, Hey, algorithm I'm going to allow you to give, if you determine that it's necessary, meet Insulet. And because you're looking at my rate of change, you're looking at how much insulin is on board, you know, how many grams of carbohydrate that I've entered, it takes all of this information into account and decide if action should be taken. And what lovely is the patient, the person with diabetes that mom, dad, the family, they don't have to make any of those decision, the system is doing it for them.   Stacey Simms  21:05 It should have probably started with this question. But what does the algorithm use as a starting base? You know, we're used to traditional insulin pumps where you sit with your educator or your doctor and you say, Here's my basal rate, here's my sensitivity factor or correction factor, or, as we're talking about here, duration, there is a pump in front of the FDA right now that just uses body weight. What is the 780? G use?   Heather Lackey  21:26 Yeah, that's a great question as well, algorithm really start with total daily dose of insulin, kind of as it is its starting point, right, the calculation. And that's why whenever you are new on the mini meds 780G system, people have to stay in manual mode. So the kind of the non auto basal in auto correction kind of piece of it. So they stay in manual mode for 224 hour days, right. So it's two days in manual mode. And then there's enough data as a starting point for this system to be able to, to say, Okay, this is a safe basal amount for you to begin with. In addition, if there's sensor glucose tracings, in that 48 hours of kind of that warmup period, to the smart guard feature, then those fasting sensor glucose level pump is looking to see like, how much insulin Do you require, whenever you're not announcing meals and, and so it see, okay, this is your center, glucose is in a fasting state. Now, how much auto Basil is being delivered. And that is kind of the two main pieces of information of how the system decides how much auto basil to begin with, and to deliver,   Stacey Simms  22:49 got it, can the user switch back to manual mode,   Heather Lackey  22:53 yet, they can, at any time, they can stop the smart guard feature, we know that the data is so overwhelmingly heavy weights heavy on the smart guard side. So we definitely see a major difference in time and range being improved. Whenever people are in this barcard feature versus in manual mode, right? They're always encouraged to say and   Stacey Simms  23:16 got it but the system doesn't like. And I hesitate to say it this way. But you'll know exactly what I mean, the system isn't kicking people out as much as one of the very early automated systems for Medtronic, right? That was a big complaint with the 670 was I got kicked out of auto mode.   Heather Lackey  23:30 That was a complaint. And we know that whenever the mini med six, seven ad system, the first hybrid closed loop system of its time was a pretty conservative algorithm, right? Because it was first of its kind, Medtronic really had to build on a number of safety precautions. And in many cases that led to those unwanted alerts and alarms and interactions with the pump to keep the system kind of in that auto mode, smart guard auto mode feature. And so with this, we the exits on mini med 780 G system. I mean, they're just not happening, right. And again, though, the number one of two goals of this system was to reduce the daily interactions with the system. So we can't have beats and alerts and alarms. And hey, you have to enter a BG all the time in order to stay in to the automation mode. This is a big difference that people especially those that have been on previous hybrid closed loop systems of all kinds, they're like this is really a pretty big change right? exits at night, exit in the daytime alerts at night. Those are some of the things that are really different from a user lens. Whenever I hear anyone asked my husband, you know, like what kind of from your standpoint In a view, what's the biggest change with you seeing your wife were the minimis 780G system for a while. And he just says, look, it just doesn't wake us up at night. And he just seems to be a little bit more pleased. A lot of surveys that have been conducted all throughout, you know, the countries where people are using and wearing many hats, 7080 G system, you know, it's like 94 95% of people are saying that they're satisfied with the impact on the their quality of life, they're happier with the quality sleep, that's one that's pretty high, ranked and desired by many. So for us to get a good night's rest and to feel confident to go to bed, lay our head down, not have lows or highs not have alerts and alarms. That's the system that we need. And that that's what people are enjoying.   Stacey Simms  25:54 One more question about manual mode, a listener had asked me is manual mode usable during the auto mode? In other words, if somebody really feels like they need to do an additional bolus, can they do it?   Heather Lackey  26:05 It can be done, but I would kind of ask why do they feel like it needs to be done? Right? Why would you need to go out to manual mode if you need to give an additional bolus. So carbs can be entered at any time that those are consumed? Right, we definitely want to announce our mills. And at any time in the smartguard feature, a patient can always look to see if if they what we kind of say a user initiated correction dose is needed. So you don't you know, I don't ever want people to feel like once I'm in the smart guard feature, guy can't take action. If I see glucose, where I don't want it to be or if I've eaten something that I didn't tell it, you know, go ahead and deliverable list, at least check to see if a bolus should be given. And maybe some of the feedback that patients had on mini med 670 G system where they felt like they had to enter in perhaps kind of ghost carbs or fake carbs when they weren't actually eating them to kind of trick the algorithm to giving more insulin, I think you'll find with now that control that we have able to control on this system like that active insulin times and the auto basal. I don't see that people at all are having to what we say automate the automation? Well,   Stacey Simms  27:27 yeah, we let me ask you a follow up on that. Because I don't know anybody who uses an AI D system who just puts in meal boluses and says, Great, I'm always in the range I want to be are you saying that's what's happening with the 780?   Heather Lackey  27:39 Well, I'm saying that anytime that you eat in any of the AIP systems, right, you can you can enter those grams of carbohydrate. But because many meds 780G system gives the autocorrection doses starting at anytime, and glucose is over 120 systems. If the auto basal can't handle that glucose response, then they're gonna get it. So because you start you intervene the system intervene early and intervene often, there's less of the need to take matters in your own hand. Right. So it's a different mindset. Really it?   Stacey Simms  28:18 Yeah, no, it's absolutely it sounds great. Well, we'll see. When you said meal announcements, to be clear, you're talking about carb counting and putting in the numbers of carbs you're eating, you're You're not just saying I am eating?   Heather Lackey  28:31 You're saying I Yes. You're you're entering grams of carbohydrate. Thank you for clarifying going   Stacey Simms  28:36 no, I'm just you know, I know it's coming. It's amazing to see how these things are changing. I just want to be clear as we go. Yeah. Well,   Heather Lackey  28:42 you know, that's kind of a segue Stacey to a lot of the different thoughts on do people have to now with autocorrection? Do people have to be so precise on the grams of carbohydrate that they're entering into those bits? Okay. Well,   Stacey Simms  28:59 let me give you Yeah, let me let's segue into that. Let me give you the best case use that I can make in my house or something like this. I have an 18 year old, he's a great kid. He's very responsible with diabetes. He is terrible about bowling before he eats. It's just it's just not happening. And so we have a lot of, you know, excursions that perhaps don't necessarily need to be happening. I would be thrilled at a more aggressive post meal bolused system. So talk me through what happens to scenarios for you. Somebody has an AD of just throw 85 carbs out there because this happened recently. So somebody has an 85 carb dinner, they bolus five minutes after they finish it. Or somebody has an 85 carb dinner and completely forgets to bolus how does the system handle those things? Oh, yeah.   Heather Lackey  29:45 Well, I'd love to show you my report. Because not only does it happen with an 18 year old, it happens with me more than I would like oh my goodness. I plan for 33 years. How am I forgetting to push the button,   Stacey Simms  30:01 I love it, you're human, you're human. I'm totally   Heather Lackey  30:04 human. So the 85 gram carb dinner, and they bill it five minutes later, right? We know that if you are not giving insulin before the meal, right, you're gonna have food most likely showing up to the party before the insulin arrives, right, so you're gonna have food, their glucose is gonna rise because of the food digest. And then here comes insulin. In that case, we would say, Look, if then, you know, if you're really bolusing, after the meal, you probably are going to need to reduce your meal Bolin, than we have some exact parameters for healthcare providers to kind of discuss with their patients. But you know, on average, it's like, look, probably just dose for, you know, maybe that path in your case, maybe it's not, because as you know, as those is that sensor, glucose starts to rise, the auto basal start to increase, it gets to the maximum, let's say, and then here comes the auto correction. And then you've got insulin, you know, from the bolus still showing up to the party at that point. So what's so great about this system is it knows like, okay, auto Basil is increasing, then there's some, you know, potential auto corrections, as soon as the bullet is given, the system goes, Okay, let's just, let's back off, right, let's see, what's gonna happen with the system before we really just push the pedal to the metal and start giving more correction. Right? So everything is done with the total safety in mind, right, which is something that's so great. Now for the 85 grams of carbohydrate, and they don't bolus at all, well, then that's really what are the auto corrections and the auto basil can shine, that's really where you're going to see sensor glucose is rising. And am I going to say they're never going to go high with an 85 gram carbon bill, I would say that wouldn't be, you know, really unlikely, depending on what what the nutrients are in that food, I would think it was going to be unlikely. And so glucose is going to rise, the system is going to to handle it as as well as it can. But what I can see time and time again, with when mills are skipped, that patients don't go as high and they don't say as high as long. But we have a study that actually support that patient who did zero pole was seeing for a period of time. So this is every single meal for this length of time. And I'd have to look at the report to know exactly the days, but their time and range was just right under that 70% of time and rain. Yeah. And so that's not at all what we are recommending, because we know that if you bolus and you're using the recommended settings, it doesn't matter if you're eight year old, or if you are a 18 year old, or if you're a 58 year old or if you're a 78 year old, we know that for everyone, you can have an upward time and range of 80% plus, right. So we know it's better. And we absolutely want to provide the charge that we should be announcing mil but it's so nice, whenever the occasional I forgot to bolus to you know,   Stacey Simms  33:29 sort of occasional   Unknown Speaker  33:32 got your back for some more than   Stacey Simms  33:36 excellent. I did get this question about the bolusing system, how much of a correction is given? Because on some of these other systems, it's a partial correction. I don't know if you can share that, you know, it's it may be part of the algorithm that you can't share. And then also, how does the system differentiate? Or does it between a missed meal and a random high? You know, a high that may come for another reason?   Heather Lackey  33:57 Yeah. Thank you good questions. Okay. So for the repeat the first one, if you don't mind, sure   Stacey Simms  34:03 how much of a correction is given, you know, like on the T slim, I think I may not be correct here, but it's something like, you know, once an hour can give 60% of the program to bolus. So is that something that the Medtronic keep some good and maybe proprietary? Well,   Heather Lackey  34:16 I can tell you this is the difference with the mini med 780G system is it gives a full correction, you know, if needed every five minutes and every correction bolus, right? It's like if you were giving a correction yourself with a pump, you're going to enter your glucose. The system does the same. It says look, this is where the glucose is. This is where I want it to be. And it's targeting 120 Whenever it's giving a correction dose of insulin, right. That's why after 120 it can start to deliver a correction dose and it looks at the difference and it sees how much insulin is going to be needed. And then it also applies other metrics as well like how much insulin is circulating in the body and And then it determine the safe amount that is going to be needed every five minutes. Got it?   Stacey Simms  35:06 Got it. Okay, great. And then the other question is about does the system differentiate between, you know, missing a meal or a high for another reason? And I could think of highs, you know, and teenagers for, you know, hormones or exercise, things like that, does the system differentiate? And I guess the follow up is, does it need to, or is a high, just a high,   Heather Lackey  35:24 you know, really high is the high and and that's what's so great about the the system anytime there is a rising rate of change, and you know, parameters are met, that the pump says, Wait a second, this is a rising rate. Oftentimes, it's a meal that's missed right? To meet the parameters. When the system sees that this is Matt, what it does is it allows a correction dose to be delivered even a little bit more aggressively. Right. So you know, it does have a mill detection module built in. It has mill detection technology built in, but it doesn't so much say, Oh, this is your sensor, glucose is rising now because of the meal. So I'm going to act this way. Versus your since your glucose is rising, because you have hormone releasing in the middle of the night and you're sleeping, right. Either way, this system is looking at the sensor glucose response. And if it's corrections need to be delivered in a more aggressive manner, or larger corrections need to be delivered either way, then the system is able to do that. You know,   Stacey Simms  36:40 we've mentioned several times that you live with type 1 diabetes. I mean, I know I can talk to you about the pump for probably another two hours. And I hope you'll come back on and we can talk more about it. But I want to ask you about your your journey. You were diagnosed as a teenager, what did you use what was the first diabetes technology, I assume it was a blood sugar meter. coming right back to Heather in just a second. But first Diabetes Connections is brought to you by Dexcom. And Benny has been using the Dexcom CGM for almost 10 years now, that first insertion was in 2013, just before he turned nine. I mean, it was great. Then if you've done finger sticks for a while you know how amazing it is to go from that to continuous glucose monitoring. But it is even better. Now. The Dexcom CGM systems just keep improving, continuing to get more and more accurate with no finger sticks or scanning required. The easy push button insertion has made it easy for Benny to do it himself. He has done every one since we switched to the GS six in 2018, which is really great for his independence back then, as a younger teen. Of course, we still love the alerts and alarms, and that we can set them how we want if your glucose alerts and readings for the G six do not match symptoms or expectations. Use a blood glucose meter to make diabetes treatment decisions. To learn more, go to diabetes connections.com and click on the Dexcom logo. Now back to Heather talking about what things were like she was diagnosed at age 16.   Heather Lackey  38:10 Yeah, you know, I was diagnosed in 1990. And of course, I had a meter. The old lancing device that I had was the one that you lay on the table and it's spring loaded and it like warm around like a hammerhead, and it would poke your finger. Right. So that was my first one. And you know, I was just on conventional insulin therapy, right, at least had disposable syringes. I wasn't sharpening a needle or have a glass of orange or anything like that. And you know, for me, Stacy, my parents were so great. My dad worked internationally. And they were just constantly talking to people like what, there's got to be something that right because I was doing everything I could, I mean, I really tried hard. And I have for, you know, three decades, tried hard to really kind of manage things. And they said, you know, there's got to be something better. And that was right at the end was actually before the end of the DCCT trial, when my parents were told, Hey, there's, we've got to get her on something better. We're starting to notice that these multiple daily injections are going to be a lot better. So went to went and started multiple daily injections. And at that point, this was in 1992. At that point, they they the healthcare team said you ought to consider a tump you're you're young your parents have insurance. You guys are certainly kind of wanting to have the best control you should consider a pump and Stacy for cash for seven years. The first seven years after I was diagnosed I did not want an insulin pump to save my life. I wouldn't even think about it until someone said hey, I had gained some weight in college, as many females and male do and I was trying to lose weight exercising to on the elliptical and or the treadmill, either one. And every time I would exercise, I would go low. And every time I would go low, I would have to have juice and peanut butter crackers, or whatever the case was, and I was having more calories than I had exercised off, you know, you can see the counter of your calories that you're burning. And I'm like, This is ridiculous, I'm going to continue to go low, and not be able to trim down my weight some, and I didn't have the right tools. And so that's the reason I started on a pump and then have been on a pump. For the last, I don't know, 2026 27 years, maybe when you   Stacey Simms  40:37 used to do a lot of patient training on insulin pumps, I know you still do some now, I'm even in your role here. What are their biggest concerns? You know, there's a lot of mechanical learning if you've never used an insulin pump before. But there's also as you mentioned, there's a reluctance sometimes. Can you share a little bit about what patients tell you?   Heather Lackey  40:54 I think the unknown is the biggest thing for patients, right? They don't know if it's surgical, they don't know if it how this goes in how you disconnect, how you're going to get live. The five emphases as I call it, you know, how do you sleep? How do you shower? How do you swim? How do you go in, you know, with exercise and do sports, what happens with intimacy and things like that, you know, those are unknown if you haven't met with a an educator or you haven't had a friend or even a health care provider that's kind of talked to you through that. So I think once people understand how insulin pumps and continuous glucose sensors kind of work inside of our life, and really how easy they are. The trainings are so much more simplified today, because the therapy is so much easier, right? And so I think once they start to see they're starting to put the pieces together, like the technology is working in the background, I don't have to work as hard. Here's the the, you know, two or three things that I have to do change my infusion set once a week, change the sensor once a week, and then I have to enter some grams of carbohydrate, however those grams of carbohydrate are calculated, then they start to understand this is not as big of a deal.   Stacey Simms  42:09 All right, I have to go back. You said the five S's and then I kind of heard you editing as you went, you can say six on this podcast. But what were the other ones we had sleep swim.   Heather Lackey  42:18 So fleet that were when boarding and zek?   Stacey Simms  42:22 That's great. I love that list. That's a great list. All right, before I let you go, I can't let you leave without talking about Purple Hearts, this Netflix movie that you were a consultant on, right? Tell me a little bit about what happened there. This is a character that has type one. And she marries a marine to get benefits health benefits. And it's a very romantic story. How did you come to be a consultant on that? And what was it like? Well, what was so interesting   Heather Lackey  42:46 about this, I mean, it was I mean, what a one and a life champ or V I mean, it was really great. The director, or producer, I think it was the director, she had reached out to Medtronic, specifically, because she was, you know, obviously going to be doing this movie, and the hurt. So her team had reached out to Medtronic. And she really wanted to one US product in the movie. But I guess her colleagues and friends and and others that he had talked to whenever she mentioned that this character was going to have type 1 diabetes. They were all like, Yeah, well, we, you know, we've learned that Medtronic pump for, you know, years and years. And so that's why she reached out, right, so reached out to our communications team and our marketing team. And those teams were so great to say, hey, look, they're going to be using a pump and sensor on the set, they might need to have some help. Just making sure that everything is used correctly. And you know, you're always in film, in movies, etc. Whenever I see things being used in an incorrect way. So yeah, so anyway, I was able to go out on the set. And then, you know, one thing just kind of led to another and they were like, well, you know, we're gonna need someone to train. You know, Sophia Carson is the actress. I mean, like, what an amazing thing to be able to beat her and all the other dudes amazing talent on that, that and they were like, Why don't you I mean that you do this? So why don't you just do this in the movie. And I was so happy that that tiny little piece was not cut it, it was such an important thing for my friends and family to be able to see so. And it really does kind of make people with type one I've heard over and over it was kind of cool for the film to kind of walk through people without type 1 diabetes. Like there's a trainee, you know, like, we have to get to understand how to use this equipment. And it's kind of the big day whenever you go on an insulin pump. The coolest thing about the scene that I was in with Sophia Carson, whenever she we finished the scene and she got on the system and we had everything is moving and working at and it was it was there. She was like, Heather, this is amazing that people go through this. And then she was like, gonna give you a hug like this is like I feel empowered having this system on me whenever I'm playing a character that has type 1 diabetes, so it was very organic and natural. And that wasn't anywhere in the script, you know. So it was just a true testament to how powerful technology is and people with diabetes. Five,   Stacey Simms  45:31 is there going to be a second one?   Heather Lackey  45:32 I have pushed. I have said, I hope that there is everybody wants to know what happened to those two characters. I don't know about it, but I would I would love to see a second movie as well.   Stacey Simms  45:45 That'd be great. Well, we will leave it there. Thank you so much for sharing so much of your time with me. I would love to have you back on to talk more about this system. We still have a lot of questions. I'm sure we just scratched the surface. But I really appreciate your time. Thanks so much for sharing so much information.   Unknown Speaker  45:59 Thank you Stacey. Have a great day.   Stacey Simms  46:05 You're listening to Diabetes Connections with Stacey Simms. Lutz where information with diabetes dash connections.com. I know we didn't get to all of your questions. I will definitely talk to the folks from Medtronic. Again, I thought Heather was really terrific. And she laid everything out. I loved her five S's. But you should also know that the 780 G she mentioned this. It's currently approved for users seven years old and above with type one, they have started taking pre orders that happened in the middle of May, and they will be shipping later this summer. throughout the US. If you have a 770 G, you will be eligible for a free upgrade through remote software. If you want to be notified more, you can go there's a link in the show notes and get their upgrade notification newsletter. So just go to diabetes connections.com Click on this episode's homepage. It'll give you all the information that you need. I'm taking a deep breath because as I have been telling you, my May was bananas. It was wonderful. It was busy and all the best ways. But I mean, I went to Ireland at the beginning of the month. Then I went to New Orleans for my daughter's graduation. Then we had a giant family reunion at my house. So hopefully as you're hearing this, nothing that busy has popped up for the month of June. What I do have on the calendar is the ADA Scientific Sessions conference toward the end of this month. I have never been to this. I've always tried to make it but it's never worked out. So I have immediate pass. I have my microphones packed Well, not yet, really. But I am going to be going and talking to all of these companies. I'll be putting stuff in the Facebook group. So please join Diabetes Connections, the group or sign up for our newsletter. And you can do that at diabetes dash connections.com Because I'm gonna be asking what you want here, who do you want me to talk to what questions you want me to ask. I'm going to try to do a whole bunch of interviews while I'm there and set up a whole bunch more. You can always email me Stacey at diabetes connections.com. I'm super excited about going to this event and really hoping to bring your questions to more of these folks. As I mentioned at the beginning of the show, I am scheduled to talk to beta bionics about the eyelet so that should be next week's episode. And of course we have in the news this Friday to fill you in if there are any more FDA approvals a there's more stuff in front of them. This has been a really interesting year so far, and we're not halfway through. Thank you to my editor John Buchanan, audio editing solutions. Thank you so much for listening. I'm Stacey Simms. I'll see you back here soon until the end. Be kind to yourself.  

From a Hippie to a princess, Jane "Goldie" Winn, shares her story of being a young Jewish hippie who went through a second-trimester abortion. Goldie shares hope and encouragement of how she broke free from the stronghold of her past. Goldie's book, "Rainbow In The Night," is an inspiring 20-year redemption story that is now being made into a movie for the big screen.   ******   Kimberly Hobbs   Welcome to Empowering Lives with Purpose. And I'm your host, Kimberly Hobbs. I'm the founder of Women World Leaders. And we are so happy that you tuned in today. Today I'd love to welcome our guest, Jane Goldie Winn from Delray Beach, Florida welcome, Jane. Jane "Goldie" Winn   Thank you, Kimberly, thank you for having me on your podcast today and welcome to all the listeners. Kimberly Hobbs   Yes, amen. And Goldie's is going to speak today about hope and encouragement, we all need a little bit of hope and encouragement, right? And she shares her story today. Ladies, our desire to have you here is to strengthen and encourage each other in the name of Jesus to walk together to empower one another, to find your beautiful purpose in Jesus and serving Him. God is working in you ladies. He's giving you the desire and the power to do what pleases Him. That's actually a scripture verse in Philippians 213 He gives us that desire to Run after Him and serve Him with all our heart. And it's our hopes that as you listen to these podcasts, that you will be inspired by something that you hear that will allow you to move in that direction, to run after God to seek Him with all your heart and to serve Him because He is amazing. He is the God of exceedingly abundantly beyond what we could ever ask for. So as we talk with Goldie today, and she shares her incredible story about abortion, she wants to deliver that message of there is hope beyond shame and guilt and the things that we sometimes carry because of our past. So I want to tell you a little bit about Miss Goldie when. Today she is a published author. She is a client advocate in a pregnancy resource clinic in South Florida, where she counsels abortion determined clients in the throes of decision making and hoping that she can pour some love and light into their situation. She speaks at churches and congregations and shares her testimony of transformation from a hippie to a princess. When the devastation of a second trimester abortion drove this young Jewish hippie into darkness and despair. She shares about the hope and encouragement of how she broke free from the stronghold of her past. And that's exactly what we love doing here on empowering lives with purpose because we all have pasts. And how did you overcome that? How did Jesus find you where you were? And Goldie's incredible life story is titled rainbow in the night. And she has a 20 year redemption journey which is now in the process of being made into a movie. She has a book that's written on it. She's Goldie is also a Messianic Jew. She has been married to her soulmate Dave since 1974. And together they reside in South Florida. So Goldie as we begin right now, I would love for you to share a little bit about that past and abortion story and what you had gone through as a young, hippie girl, just finding her way, right and life. Jane "Goldie" Winn   Yes, well, if you watched Forrest Gump, I would have been a little bit like Jenny, what can I tell you? But anyway, just to give some backstory, I grew up in a small Midwestern town in Independence, Iowa, about 5000 people. And my father was a psychiatrist, a very renowned psychiatrists. He came he was asked to be the superintendent in 1958. And when he arrived, there were 1100 patients. And it was a very formidable structure and a very interesting childhood to grow up in this hospital setting. There were 500 employees. And I remember when we first drove up to the hospital, my father's first words were, what did I get myself into? I have to get these bars off the windows. This is terrible. And so my father ended up doing amazing things for that hospital and in the field of psychiatry, but behind closed doors, he was very different. And unfortunately, he was physically and emotionally abusive mostly to my older sister and somewhat to me, and it was very hard because, you know, we lived right in the administration building, and we would have to go down this winding beautiful winding staircase into the lobby, and every time we would go to the lobby, the entire staff would stand up and respect from my father. Wow, a patriot Americans so well respected. So it was very confusing for me growing up in two worlds feeling like I had to, you know, keep everything literally behind closed doors and try to bridge those worlds together. So unfortunately, when I went away to college, I'd never really dated anyone because, again, living in Independence, I will, there are no Jewish people. And my father didn't want me to marry outside the faith. So it kept me away from being able to date anyone. But when I arrived on campus, Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa in 1967, I was a music major, and it was when the hippie thing was just getting off the ground. And when I was approached about it, you know, free love sex, drugs, rock and roll, I figured I had nothing to lose, because I really didn't have any identity. And I wanted to be accepted and liked by so many people. So I did get involved in it, unfortunately, and fast forwarding the story did take 20 years to complete my book, because I had to work through a lot of issues to get to the other side, before I could write about it from a place of freedom and hope. But I got embroiled in that lifestyle. And one thing led to the other and I found myself pregnant. And it was in 1970, before Roe vs. Wade, although abortion was legal in some states, and one such state was California and I was going to school in Michigan at the time, I had transferred to work in major music therapy. And I just I was living in a hippie commune. And I just thought, There's no way I could have this baby, my father would, I can't even imagine what he would do. Like he disowned my sister for marrying a Catholic. So you can only imagine him he ended up accepting her back after two and a half years. But I didn't want that kind of rejection. So I just had to have an abortion. And unfortunately, I went into denial. And I waited a little too long. They told me it was a blob of tissue. And I believed it because there was no ultrasound or anything like that. So I ended up having to go to the hospital in San Diego was which was where I went. And, and actually, I remember, at the time, you know, I just didn't know what to expect. But because I was so far along, I was well into my second trimester and had no idea because I didn't have any symptoms, I was 70 pounds heavier, mostly because I was doing drugs. But I guess the pregnancy contributed as well. But I didn't have any symptoms. So it's easy to go into denial. But I remember they did, sadly, the saline solution abortion and then I was brought into a room and I was told to just press a button when the when the baby stopped kicking. So right then and there, it dawned on me that it was a baby. So unfortunately, when I had to deliver the baby, and the nurse had said, Oh, you would have had a perfect baby boy. But because that was so traumatic. I didn't know the Lord back then it went down into denial, which is the most basic of all psychological defenses. And I did not remember it until 27 years later, when I was working in a pregnancy center as a counselor and had to go through post abortion, healing and recovery. And it was there that I got in touch with a full awareness of the abortion. And I just thought I would never stop crying. I thought, you know, that baby because I talk a little bit later about how I came to know Jesus. But at that moment, you know, just having to accept that that baby died because I made that decision was horrific. So through the Bible study, forgiven and set free, I was able to come to the other side of it. And it's hard for women who've had abortions to forgive themselves. So I had to forgive myself. And then I had to accept God's forgiveness. And at the end, we have a memorial service, we're able to name our babies. And I named my baby Samuel, which in the Jewish religion, if you have a son, you name him after your father's first initial, which was Seelig. And so I named him Samuel. And at the very end, they gave, you know, like a certificate. And when I went home, I remember my husband and I don't have children. That's part of our story. But when I came home, and I showed him the certificate, he said, I would like to adopt your baby. So that didn't happen, we will have a child together. And that's the kind of nice Yes, I know he's so special, my true soulmate. And you know, and I was just like, so that's, you know, pretty much the actual story, but the Lord has redeemed it in many ways, which we'll talk about in a minute. But I'm just to be able to share this, this story to bring hope to other women that you know, healing is possible. Forgiveness Is Possible redemption, you know, and the most uses everything in our lives, everything for his greater purposes. Kimberly Hobbs   He does everything. And that's a scripture that I just, the Lord says, I Yes, I alone will blot out your sins for my own sake, and I will never think of them again. Isaiah 4325. And even though in that moment didn't, you didn't understand you didn't know what was happening. You know it. God removes that from you and look at your story, Goldie, it is just I mean, I my ears, my eyes started tearing up, my heart was pounding and I had goosebumps at the same time like, that is just amazing how God allowed you to go through the healing process. But he tells us there is forgiveness for all of us who repent. Luke 2447 says that, right? So there is hope, ladies, there's hope for our past mistakes, yours may not be abortion, it may be something else that has been just traumatizing you for years and years and you've not been able to release it. There is hope for you. Because God says there is forgiveness of sins for all of us who repent, and then he makes a way to move forward. So Goldie, what, what it seems now that, you know, guilt would follow you forever. It didn't you said and you shared a little glimpse of that. So how did God redeem you, Goldie? Jane "Goldie" Winn   Yeah, that's a great question, Kimberly. Well, he's just so amazing, you know, because again, you know, this Jewish girl, we were taught growing up, you know, never to believe in Jesus, because it's like way the Jews and they the Gentiles, and unfortunately, many Jewish people put Hitler in the category of Christians, you know, and my father did that. So it was just like, I could never even think about believing in Jesus, but the Lord again, in His mercy, you know, when we cry out to Him, you know, he has a way of coming to us. And I was, my husband and I had been, we met, and we were musicians right away. And we were touring with this band, and we're living in the Midwest. And, and I remember, I, all of a sudden, you know, something happened in my heart. And I just thought, I don't know if I can do this for the rest of my life. And I remember going outside one day, and I just fell on my face, and I cried out to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and he said, if you're real, please reveal Yourself to me. Otherwise, I want to die. And all of a sudden, I just felt this blanket of peace come over me. And it's not like I saw lightning or heard bolts of thunder, but I felt his peace. And then long story short, the Lord. I just decided I had to get out of that crazy lifestyle of singing to a bunch of drunks with a bunch of drunks, I couldn't handle it anymore. Dave stayed a little while longer. But I just felt like I wanted to do volunteer work. So I started working in a facility where there was a girl, you know, there and we were trying to help other kids not take drugs away. We did. And I was drawn to her because she had so much joy. And long story short, um, she invited Dave and I, we were living together at the time. We met in 1971. And she had invited us to this, what we now know, is a prayer meeting a Catholic charismatic prayer meeting with all kinds of denominations there, everything you can imagine from Lutheran to Presbyterian to you, you name it, they were there. And there was just I remember when we walked in, you know, we had our bell bottoms and our tie dyed shirts. And we didn't know if people would accept us, but they did immediately. And again, you know, when we were used to singing to drunks, and we saw these people who were worshipping, again, you know, their hands are raised to Jesus, and they were singing songs to Jesus, Dave and I looked at each other, like, what is this, but something was stirring in our heart. And we thought, maybe that's what we need, you know, we need God. So long story short, people came up to us and you know, just lovingly and kept inviting us back. And about the third prayer meeting, there was a priest and a nun who just basically invited Dave and I, to receive Jesus as our Messiah. And I thought, but I'm Jewish, and I don't know if I can do that. But they I thought to myself, What do I have to lose? I was just getting really depressed again, and just losing hope because of the lifestyle. So together August 4 1974, we got on our knees, we prayed to receive your shoe Oh, which is the Jewish name for Jesus. And they've been they've prayed to receive Jesus had been brought up Catholic. And at the moment, I came to pray that prayer I was filled with joy of the Lord totally filled with joy the Lord, because I was always depressed all my life. And so this was the sign that I needed in First Corinthians 122. You know, the Jew requires a sign. And I was given a word that day, Goldie, Your gift will be the gift of joy. And I was just filled with joy. And the Scripture is Second Corinthians 517. Therefore, if anyone be in Christ, he is a new creation, the old has passed away and all things have become new. And that's exactly what happened. I mean, I was just flooded with joy and peace. And you know, from that moment moment on our lives were never the same Dave and I knew we were living in sin, and we got married three months later, and we've been serving the Lord ever since. And I guess the way Kimberly, he totally redeemed it as now all these years later, I'm still, I started working in 1997 After I got my master's degree in social work in a Pregnancy Clinic, and I was, you know, counseling women and helping them. And then when we moved to Florida in 2011, the Lord led me to work in a Pregnancy Clinic here. And so now after helping women heal from abortion, which has been my heart for many years now I'm on the other side, helping women who are in the process of making decisions about their pregnancy, so I can use my abortion story to help them know that it's not the quick, easy fix, they think it is that there's a dark side to abortion. So he has totally redeemed my story over and over and over again. And my Wow, touch so many women, you know, who are still feeling the pain of their abortion because if he can free me, he can free them to Kimberly Hobbs   Amen. Goldie, amen. God restored that joy to you. He gave you joy, the joy of your salvation, right? Yeah. So and also hope, hope to continue living in this world that gets us to go forward. And so you were living now beyond your shame and guilt that you carried you were redeemed is just so beautiful. And ladies, there's a scripture that says, hope in the Lord. For with the Lord there is unfailing love. His redemption overflows at Psalm 130, verse seven, ladies, you can be redeemed, redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, which is Jesus Christ and inviting him into your heart, asking him for forgiveness of all of your past, your shame, your guilt, everything that you've held on to release it to him, and he is a God of forgiveness. So, Goldie, what now is God doing in your life that you have fully surrendered to Him? Which is so beautiful, and you're telling me what in our conversation prior to today that it took you 20 years to do something? So what is it in your life right now that God has moved you from, to in this life a full surrender to JESUS CHRIST share about that? Because it is pretty exciting? Jane "Goldie" Winn   It's a great question. Yeah, I guess it has been a real process. I always say it's a process, not an event. And I think you know, the most important thing for me, Kimberly, was that I had to totally surrender my painful past to the Lord. And actually, I did that, I believe it was in 2015, right before my 65th birthday, because I was still aware that I was holding on to things and I wasn't totally free. You know. And John 836 says, you know, so the sunsets is free, you will be free indeed, right. And I needed that freedom. So I totally surrendered. I talked about it more specifically in the book, my painful past to the Lord. And right after I did that the Lord brought a publisher to me, I finished writing the book, it was published in Jan, I'm sorry, December 2019. And, maybe, and then we had COVID. So nothing much happened that year, that title of that book is, is rainbow in the night, a journey of redemption. Wonderful. And, and so that's really exactly what it is. Because, you know, it was like a dark rainbow that can only be seen like through, you know, time lapse photography. And really, it is a lunar rainbow. But as I began to get better, and the Lord began healing me all of the colors of that rainbow brightened. And that's why, you know, starts out to be a rainbow in the night. And then as my life, you know, was totally redeemed by the Lord and I was free. And He healed me from so much that I've found that those colors are so much brighter. And I can say to other people, and I love this scripture and Isaiah 45 Three, which says, I will give you the treasures of darkness, riches, hidden and secret places so that you may know that I am the Lord, the God of Israel, who summons you by name, Isaiah 45. Three. And so I love that scripture. Isn't that powerful, whatever we have in our past, and he can just take that and redeem that. And then now currently, the book is being made into a movie rainbow in the night movie. Yay, guiding because I just feel during this time, we need hopeful, faith based movies. Yes, we do. I really know that if the Lord can do this for me, that's the vision for the movie. He can do it for you too. And that's my full purpose in doing the movie is just to bring hope and encouragement, that indeed if we will surrender the Lord will heal us from our painful past. Kimberly Hobbs   So true, so true. And even even now in As you were writing and this book was coming out, I'm sure there was so much more healing in that book. Right? Yeah. And as you put it out, and you wrote with the Lord, and that came together, because there was no coincidence that you named it what you did. God gave you that name rainbow in the night and how you arrived at that, and that scripture again? Can you share that scripture one more time? Jane "Goldie" Winn   Yes, Isaiah 45. Three, I will give you the treasures of darkness, riches, hidden and secret places, so that you may know that I am the Lord, the God of Israel, who summons you by name, Isaiah 45, three. Kimberly Hobbs   Wow, ladies, I pray that you will write that scripture down Isaiah 45, three for your own life, He will give you those treasures, right, those treasures that we think are just we don't, we can't even grasp them. Because we can't, our brain can't go there because we're so burdened by all the hurt and all the things that we have. But that Scripture is hope. That's true hope, right? And now look what God is doing. She took that step of faith surrendered her life, to Jesus. And now Goldie has taken this book, and God took it to another level to a movie. And this movie now has been it's going I mean, right now they're in the stages. So how Goldy can people find you just to be able to look at the movie, look at what's going on with the book, and maybe be prayer partners with you and just help as this movie is still coming to fruition? Right? We want to know how can we all connect with you and pray for you and praise this through because others need to hear this amazing story of hope and encouragement? Jane "Goldie" Winn   Well, thank you, Kimberly. Yeah, if you go to my website, rainbow in the night movie.com, you will see all about my story all about the book. And there's a six minute movie demo that's been produced. And then the way it's being funded is much like the chosen the crowd funding. So the budget, because so many people are volunteering, and you know, some of them. It's amazing. So the total budget to produce the movie with reenactment scenes, and everything will be about 50,000. Well, my friends so far have raised 25,000. So we just need 25, more 1000, which is really not being in the Lord's Kingdom. And if you'd like to help right on the website, there's a button that says Donate now. And if you click on that you go to a nonprofit through the National Christian foundation, and you can give your donation and get a tax deductible receipt, and then know that you're going to be a co producer in this movie, because I believe that everybody who's given a donation, everybody who prays, and we have a huge dream team, I like to call it the Dream Team of so many people coming alongside and surrounding the whole project with love and prayers. We couldn't do that without prayer. So prayer is probably the most important. But again, you know, we would like to see it funded soon so that we can finish the production and get it out to the world, maybe, maybe by May, perhaps, of 2023. So that's our next goal. So praise the Lord. Kimberly Hobbs   We will definitely join with you in prayer, Goldie, and as women listen, and who knows what God can do. And it just through the listening portion of this and like you said, I love that we all come together as women in Jesus that can understand each other. And that's how we we glean hope and encouragement from each other stories. And you do have a powerful story. And you know what it's like to be, you know, under that blanket burden, I shouldn't even say blanket because it's not a blanket, it's a burden. It's a sack of rocks that you carry of, you know, the past and but when we can all come together as women and help to point each other to Jesus to share where our hope lies. Our hope lies in Jesus Christ and what He did on the cross for our sins. And there is freedom in forgiveness, as you said, we can be free in Christ Jesus. So can you pour that hope and encouragement into the listener right now Goldie that has dealt with trauma? And maybe it's abortion in her life? Maybe it's something else? Or maybe she knows somebody who's gone through it, but she's carrying part of that burden. Can you pour into her right now? Just a word of encouragement? Jane "Goldie" Winn   Yes. And if anybody wants to reach out to me by email, it's on the website. I'd be happy to direct them if they need healing after an abortion, because that's really important. But the scripture that I really love is May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in Him so that you may overflow Low with hope, by the power of the Holy Spirit, Romans 1513. And I think that kind of says it all. Because you know, it is all about hope. It's all about joy. It's all about knowing that only the Lord can do this. Because it can lift me up out of all that depression and bondage that I was under, he can do the same for you. And so you just have to be willing to come to the Lord and ask him, because anytime Jesus came up to anybody for healing, what did he say? He always asked the question, what do you want from me? Yes, to be able to come to him and tell him what you want? And he will answer because he did for me in a way, way beyond your Ephesians 320 Verse. exceedingly abundantly, what I could have ever hoped or imagined. So I know he can do the same for everyone who's listening right now, no matter what their situation, no Kimberly Hobbs   matter what their situation, and, you know, Goldy you just kind of mentioned your age, when you were sharing about when the book came out, and about starting your surrender it at 65. And I'm like, wait a minute, do you do not look, you know, more than 65 years old, and I so I'm kind of doing the math in my head. But I, the Scripture that comes to my mind is God says I will be your God throughout your lifetime until your hair is white with age, ladies, it's never too late to start what God puts on your heart when you surrender to him. I mean, look at Goldie, she starts writing her book in her 60s for 20 years, God was putting it on her heart to do this. And then when she surrendered and started and he says, I made you and I will care for you, I will carry you along and save you. Isaiah 46:4 Jane "Goldie" Winn   And the latter day shall be greater than the foreman Amen. That's right. Kimberly Hobbs   That's right. And you are living that out and you are going to see this movie that God is going to bring to fruition and I will have prayer support for you and and to ever feels led to go to your website, Goldie and be part of this, it's it's a good thing. We need more of these movies that can touch the hearts of people change the hearts of people, to seek God with all their hearts, seek forgiveness, and be free from the bondage, right like began to go into the world and then be this shining light, just like coldy as this shining light for Jesus and I am so thankful to serve with you. And now Goldie is a in women world leaders, and she is writing one of her stories in Miracle mindset, a book that we have coming out through women, world leaders and, ladies, this is what it's all about. We would love for you to connect with us. You may have a story that you want to share with the world, you may be feeling nudged right now to do something, we have that opportunity in this ministry to serve the Lord with all your heart, it doesn't matter what your past is, as long as it's forgiven, right? If you've repented of what you've done, we serve a God that loves you that doesn't stop loving you forgives you, and wants to use you for your beautiful purpose that you were created, which is to glorify Him in every way. So please, ladies reach out to us, you might be a writer and one of our upcoming books will help you write. It's not that you have to be this famous author. No, you just have to give your yes to Jesus. And then we will step in and help you finish it. It's an amazing journey we go on with women together, and we have multiple books starting this year. So just reach out to us. You can reach out to me personally, at Kimberly at women world leaders.com. And just say I'm interested in sharing my story. And I will point you toward one of our books that is beginning and get you in there to start sharing with the world what God is doing in your life. And ladies, we just love you. And we just pray that if you are moved by today's podcast that you'll share this podcast. We have them available Monday, Wednesday and Friday through women world leaders podcast. Not only do we do interviews, like I just did with Goldie where she shared her story, but we have teaching podcasts on Wednesday and we go through the Gospels. We have celebrating God's grace on Friday where different women in the ministry get to share and pour into you to encourage you into the weekend. So lately there's ladies there are so many ways you can get involved in women world leaders and there is hope there is encouragement in the Lord Jesus Christ and we help each other They're by pointing them to Jesus. And I just want to thank you, Goldie, for today for being on and just sharing us with us a glimpse into your life and how God showed up and freed you from your past. to now be this amazing, Christ follower that serves Jesus with all her heart, a Messianic Jewish, saying, Amen. We are just so blessed to have you Jane "Goldie" Winn   Shalom. Allah him, means peace on to you. Kimberly Hobbs   Oh, beautiful. Thank you. Thank you and peace on to you. Ladies, God bless you. Thank you for tuning in today. All content is copyrighted by women world leaders and cannot be used without expressed written consent. Have a wonderful day ladies  

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Gary Duncan  0:30  Welcome to remnant revolution. I'm your host Gary Duncan, and man, I've got an awesome guest today, Cheryl Chumley. She is an author and online opinion editor for The Washington Times where she serves as a commentary writer, and the host of bold and blunt, twice weekly podcast. Cheryl has made hundreds of appearances on TV and radio, including Fox News, C span, CBN, and Newsmax TV. She is an author of four books, including socialist don't sleep, Christians must rise where America will fail. She is a US Army veteran, thank you so much for your service, and a licensed private investigator. She's a true Christian and a bold leader in our culture. She has a new book out called lock down the socialist plan to take away your freedoms. We'll talk a little bit about that today as well. Buckle your seatbelts, get ready for a great show. And don't forget to share and like write us on iTunes, and all platforms. Please share this podcast with others to get the word out about what we need to be doing as Christians to come against the evil this perpetrating this country. We must stand Christian values and not allow the devil and his minions to be the leaders of the narrative that we are to live by. Let's take a listen to the conversation. Alright, I'm here with Cheryl Chumley. And thank you, Cheryl, for being on the podcast today. Unknown Speaker  1:51  Thank you so much for having me. It's great to be with you. Gary Duncan  1:55  I have been I guess I've changed out last couple of days on your podcast. You've got a podcast called Bold and blonde as I talked about in the your bio. And your most recent one just you just put out I think yesterday or today where you interviewed Jack Hibbs. Oh, wow. I mean, that was that is so on par. I mean, it's like on target for where we're at right now. And, you know, you've also got a book coming out that's come out, it's called lockdown the socialist plan to take away your, our freedoms or your freedom. And so let's talk about both of those today. And really, from a standpoint of where is the church, because I'm telling you 2020 changed my world. It rocked my world about you know, where the church is at, you know, the body of Christ, but mainly the leaders in our body of Christ and how they just totally missed it. And the Prophet to me, the prophets missed it. They were so focused on Trump, they missed what was coming. And so here we are two years later from all that, and kind of get into a little bit of of, you know, what you talked about with Jack, but then we can talk more about the book and how the lock downs that we went through, really play a part in what's coming, because I want to know what's coming. Unknown Speaker  3:16  Well, to answer to answer the topic of discussion with Pastor Hibbs, he's a repeat guests. This is the second maybe even No, it's the third time I had him on. And this time we talked about his most recent book, countdown and prophecy, looking at where America stands. And most Bible scholars will tell you that America is not mentioned in times. And so what does that mean? So so we had a discussion along those lines and to get to your point about the churches and where the churches stand in America. Now. I gotta tell you that I spent over two years at the Washington Times covering almost exclusively Well, at least every day I had a piece on the government's overreach with the Coronavirus. The government's exploit exploiting of Americans fears to justify shutdowns and clamp downs on liberties due to the Coronavirus and none of that shocked me. None of what the government did shocked me right, except when the churches were targeted, and not that the churches were targeted. But when the churches actually bowed down to government mandates, because you have to remember, all these losses of liberty came by way of dictates issued, but under health emergency declarations, nothing was done by legislative, duly elected officials. Nothing was done transparent and open. The regular legislative route. No laws were passed justifying what the government did. And so when churches bent the knee and actually shut their doors based on government dictates I was astonished because In a country that is built on the principle of rights coming from God, and government, government only being there to protect those rights, you have to have a thriving church community. And when the churches shut their doors at the times when most Americans needed the churches to when the churches did that, that just showed me. Wow, the left has really taken a hold of America. Gary Duncan  5:23  Now, did you on the was it 14 days to curb or seven days to curve? You know, Unknown Speaker  5:30  were you weeks, two weeks to flatten the curve? Gary Duncan  5:33  Were you okay with that? Or was that like, well, let's just kind of find out where we're at with what's going on, or did you automatically know from day one, this is a rouge? Unknown Speaker  5:44  Yeah, I, I honestly, I wasn't on board with the two weeks to flatten the curve. I really wasn't. And I say that even knowing that that came under Donald Trump's presidency and I am a big fan of Donald Trump love what he did for America. Hope he runs again and wins again. But at the same time, he it was under his presidency, that Anthony Fauci, Deborah Birx, were allowed to take over the White House platform and basically issue policy all the while claiming they weren't issuing policy. So I did not. I did not like the two week shutdown that came under President Trump. At the same time. I think President Trump everything he did under the Coronavirus was done out of love for America and concern for American citizens. Unlike when the Democrats ran with the Coronavirus to justify clamp downs, everything they did was done out of self interest out of political ambition. Gary Duncan  6:49  Why one? Do you think that the churches or the leadership did not kind of see through what was going on, especially when, like you saying I'm thinking in the book is, is they allowed mass protests, they kept the abortion clinics open. They you know, Home Depot and Lowe's were were wide open while little mom and pops were shut down. Just I mean, it was all around us. I mean, I was seeing this stuff. And I had some guys down the road that have a little small store. And they were complaining that, you know, the small nurseries couldn't opened up. So everybody went to Home Depot and Lowe's and got their plant. I mean, because it was like planting season it was in April, and everybody's putting out their tomato plants and everything. And these guys are like this is so wrong. It's so wrong that, you know, the big stores could stay open, and the small mom and pops were being destroyed. But the judges were just totally ignorant to the whole thing. Unknown Speaker  7:47  Well, it was a power grab pure and simple. And we know this is true, because if the science were there, there wouldn't have been that many hypocrisy ease and there wouldn't have been that many disparities in how the science was applied. So it became this political weapon in the hands of the Democrats, they for the most part, they could choose which businesses they could keep open in which businesses they wanted to shut. And usually you had things like churches being told they had to close because entertainment venues had to close. And yet marijuana dispensaries and liquor stores could stay open. And that's exactly what Governor Gavin Newsom did in California, until the point where he lost in court and they had to allow churches to open then he turned around and trying dit and tried to dictate that, yes, churches could be open, but you couldn't sing in church. So this was a strategic design of the left to exercise their power and control. And some in the left, some of the Democrat Party did it just because they were born along with that same fear. And they they actually thought that they were doing what the science was telling them to do. And they saw nothing wrong in science that kept flipping day by day. Right? They were they were ignorant, to put it bluntly, but many of the Democrats were just politically ambitious. And they were looking down the road, that if they did not play along with what the bureaucrats in Washington, DC were telling them to do, that their political futures would come to an end. Gary Duncan  9:27  Right. And a lot of what you're saying is political. And here's here's the rub for me is that I've gotten pushback so many times, from people around me that well, and from the pulpit, you know, we're just not political. We're not gonna get into that, you know, church is not about that. And it's like, we're where we're at, because we have not been a part of the culture and we have not been in government. And and it's like, I don't, I don't know how we can get the leadership of the church to understand where we're at. I mean, we've been through a lot knocked down. I mean, you would think at that point through 2020, that a lot of them would wake up, but unfortunately, I feel like a lot of them are still asleep. What we're gonna do? Unknown Speaker  10:13  Well, I think I think God's got that under his control, you know, he's winnowing out those churches that are weak. And you know, we I had this discussion with Pastor Jack just a couple days ago on my podcast about how his church is actually thriving, because so many churches out in California shut down cave to government demands. And then even when they opened, they wanted to do social justice type things. They had signs out front, he told me about Black Lives Matter and other social justice agenda programs at the far left. And so those churches, according to him are struggling now to stay financially afloat. And yet his church has grown under this this two plus years coming out of it of Coronavirus, clampdowns because people are starving for the truth. They've been confused. They've been deceived for way too long now by the government by those that are supposed to protect them, including our medical bureaucrats. And so they're looking for a higher truth. And I think when you see these churches around the nation, that bow down to government and that now want to come out of the two years of clamp downs from the Coronavirus and pretend like, oh, they never bowed down or pretend that they need to take a softer stance when it comes to politics that that is their takeaway from the last couple of years. I think God is doing a, you know, a little winnowing of churches. And he's he's separating, you know, the churches that will stand strong for him versus the churches that are more concerned with the things of the secular world, meaning man's opinion. Gary Duncan  11:57  Yeah, and keeping the pulpits full. Yeah. There's a church here in town or in Mount Juliet, NEERA. Sigrid, the pastor Greg Locke, he's, he's, I don't you've probably seen him or heard about him through Fox News. And some of the things he gets, he gets pretty fiery. He's a church of God guy. But I mean, you people are like, Oh, you're so political. But he doesn't back down from any of this. And his churches exploded. He started out with a tent. It's, you know, small tent out of the building, because they were filling it up. And now they've got this huge, just like a football field. It's huge. It's like, I think four or 5000 people a week come in to his arm into his church, and so they're hungry for the truth. And not just some, I love how Pastor he was saying on there about just sermon ads. You know, the days of sermon ads is over. It's time for the hardcore truth. Unknown Speaker  12:54  Yeah. Oh, go ahead. You know, that doesn't surprise me what you say about the thundering from the pulpit. And that's, that's showing as attractive to people and it's drawing them to the church. Because if you draw a parallel with the political world, it sort of is the same reason why Donald Trump was able to gain so much steam in the political world. Because in both the church world now, and the political world when Donald Trump was running, Americans with traditional values, just wanted somebody to fight for those traditional values. They wanted somebody to fight for them. Through Trump, conservatives wanted people who will go to Capitol Hill and just fight whether it's against Democrats or Republicans fight for America first and in church, right? True believers want a pastor, they want a a church leader, who will fight for the truth and thunder from the pulpit. So it's not surprising to me that strength is actually being rewarded with greater following. Gary Duncan  14:03  Yeah, and that's so that's exactly where I'm at is, is I need to see from the pulpit a fiery, you know, hail and fire and brimstone which I have not heard and 30 something years if even that, that we're not talking about it's the loving Jesus in the in the you know, turn the other cheek, Jesus, and the Jesus is coming back is not going to come back in a happy mood. Unknown Speaker  14:32  Pastor Jack just said God's not happy. Because he's not right. No, I mean, he can't Gary Duncan  14:38  be with with what's 2632 babies are aborted every day. And the lunacy of these congressmen to get up there and pontificate about gun control and all this while seconds go by every 32 seconds have babies aborted. And while this one man from New York was was a railing on the Republicans, six babies were aborted during his two minute speech, and I'm like, Dude, you're signing the documents that kills babies, and you have no problem with that. But you're gonna have a problem with some nut job that's possessed by the devil, or other entities that goes and kills children, if one death is bad enough. But when you create a law that kills them, you know, I just have problems with that. Unknown Speaker  15:29  And let's not forget the destruction of innocence that takes place in this nation, above and beyond abortion, of course, but the LGBTQ movement, that the agenda from the far left to sexualize our young children, and at the same time, tear down traditional family values, and embrace the idea of fatherless homes, which, you know, has led to so many of these issues that we're seeing, as a matter of fact, by way of school shootings, most of these shooters come from broken homes without a father present. So this is, this is the left's reason, the result of leftist policies. And the left certainly won't acknowledge that. And, you know, in the end, it's going to be incumbent on those who know better, which is the Christian community in America, we, after all, do understand what it means to have a right coming from God, not government, it's going to be incumbent on the Christian community to get louder in the political world, in the secular world, which is going to be very uncomfortable for some Christians who aren't used to that. Gary Duncan  16:40  Yeah, I totally agree. And the pushback I'm getting on just that comment is that we're we're, and I guess that's where the the wheat and the chaff are getting separated, is that, you know, it's about saving the last and, and making disciples and doing the loving thing that we're supposed to do as Christians. So how do you do love while you're standing in the face of pure evil, and trying to spread that gospel? Unknown Speaker  17:08  Well, I mean, what did Jesus do when the money changers were in his temple? Right? I mean, he didn't say, oh, cool, Oh, could you please leave or, you know, somebody called the government so they can be, you know, asked to leave. I mean, He overturned their tables, and he got very upset. So I think we need to remember there's a thing called righteous anger. And, and there are many, many stories in the Bible, where followers of God, right believers in God exercised righteous anger, and they weren't persecuted by God for but rather they were elevated. So you know, make a decision, draw a line in the sand as a Christian and decide now, where do you want this country to be in five years? 10 years? 50 years for your kids sake? Do you want to just pretend like you're doing a good thing by going to church every Sunday and then ignoring the rest of the world? Or do you want to get your hands dirty and fight? And I think it's time everybody gets their hands dirty and fight? Gary Duncan  18:06  Yes. Amen. On that one. All right. So we got locked down the socialist plan to take away your freedoms. So what what's coming? I mean, what are we seeing? Talk a little bit about what what you got the research you did in the book and all that. Unknown Speaker  18:21  Yeah, well, you've heard the term the great reset, right? Well, this is a very real, non conspiratorial term that if you go to the World Economic Forum's own website, WWE forum.org. And read Klaus Schwab, who is the founder of the World Economic Forum, read his writings on the great reset. He is very clear that there is no other time like this in history, and he's talking about the Coronavirus where there can be actual global reform a global change. And for America, what he envisions is a redefining of capitalism, from stakeholder capitalism, where businesses are in business to make money and please their their shareholders, I mean, shareholder capitalism to stakeholder capitalism, where businesses are in business to advance social justice agendas. And those business that advance the most social justice agendas, whether it's radical environmentalism or Black Lives Matter and Antifa type agendas. Those businesses will survive and other business regardless of money making potential will fall. So that's a complete upsetting of America's free economy and our capitalistic system, which is a way of crumbling America for more then, and it is no coincidence that this is why you are seeing so many woke corporations out there. These corporations have signed on to the principles of the great reset, and they are rushing to get aboard the social justice bandwagon so that they can be one standing at the end. Gary Duncan  19:58  Right? It's Then what is it the economic score? Or is it the social? I can't remember Unknown Speaker  20:05  ESG environmental social governance scores standards. Yes. Gary Duncan  20:12  And so we're pushing out that way too. Yes. Unknown Speaker  20:15  And you know, in the meanwhile, there are also other Whack a Mole outcomes of these, of the Coronavirus that we need to be aware of and fight, most noticeably contact tracing. There was a bill, there was a bill before Congress a year ago with a very interesting number. It was hr 6666. And, you know, I understand that's an extra six. But it's still interesting, because the contact tracing bill that was introduced by Congressman Bobby Rush of Chicago, who has a whole Marxist background and Black Panther affiliation, by the way, he wanted $100 billion, that's billion with a B, each year to contact trace everybody in America. And what that means is basically on your smartphone on your cell phone that you carry around, you would have to download an app. And it would ping whenever you came into contact with somebody who had tested positive for the Coronavirus. And then you were supposed to self quarantine. And then the local government bureaucrats were supposed to come to your door and assist you and I put assist you in air quotes with your self quarantining. And if you didn't agree to self quarantine, there was a line of logic that said, obviously, you're not in the right mindset to take the proper medical care for yourself. So you're a danger to yourself. So then it becomes incumbent on the government to force you to undergo those mandated health treatments that they see fit. So there's contact tracing, it can lead into all kinds of directions. But when you hear contact tracing, you have to think government surveillance and tracking, because that's what's coming down the pike next. Gary Duncan  22:00  And is that a part of the Fourth Industrial Revolution? You heard? Are you familiar with that one? Unknown Speaker  22:06  Yes, I am. It's It's part and parcel of the great reset. But this is something specific in America that was introduced by way of a piece of legislation. And it got so much. Well, I did a piece on at the Washington Times. It was posted on Drudge Report. And then I went viral. And I got so much attention that it never went forward with a final vote. But I think what they're doing is they're piecemealing it now through Congress. So it's something to watch out for. Gary Duncan  22:35  So we really need to be very attentive to every little detail that our our the other elected officials are doing specifically. Unknown Speaker  22:43  Yes, yes. That's a good way to put it. Gary Duncan  22:47  I like what you said and a lot of this show notes I have here for for the book. It says Let no crisis go to waste and old style democratic politicking, the new motto, thanks to Coronavirus, has never let fear go to waste is that one of the main underlying tactics of this lockdown is fear. It's huge. Unknown Speaker  23:12  It is the primary one. And as you know, fear is a tool of Satan, right? So right there. If you're fearful, then I would grab a copy of your Bible and find out why you're fearful. First off, because Christians shouldn't be fearful, you should be bold. And the fact that the government is able to exploit fear just shows it well actually it goes hand in hand with the growing secularization of American society. Gary Duncan  23:42  Yeah, and I like what you're talking about the individual rights come from God, or they don't. And so I want to your other public podcast you were talking about that. I was listening to it today, actually. And it's titled, I think it's titled similar to that is that our you know, our inalienable rights come from God and not from government. And you show the contrast of how the government was taking these away. And the lockdown is one of the biggest ways they did it. How do we protect ourselves from that again, if if we can't, you know, especially like, if all we do is go to church, listen to sermon, go home. And we don't engage in in the culture or at least open our minds a little bit more to what's out there and others that like this program, and your podcasts are bold and blunt, and your book and these kinds of things, pick books up that talk about this if we if we don't pay attention, we're going to be in the same boat in another year when they figure out the next big you know, thing to throw on the country. Unknown Speaker  24:49  Yeah, I mean, look at what the public education system is teaching America's kids. And you know, my I have four kids three went through public school, the last One, she's 50. Now, my husband and I, Yang two when she was in middle school because Barack Obama wanted to put little boys in the girls bathrooms, and she refused to go to the bathroom, she used to come home and rush to the bathroom every day. So we had it. But not everybody is able to do that for their child. And even if you can, even if you are one of these lucky few in America, who can bring your child into a Christian based school or private school or homeschool, right? What about the rest of the kids out there who are steadily learning the propaganda that the government wants them to learn, and they are going to be the nation's next generation of leaders. So you're going to have to live in this country, of believers in socialism and haters of America, and somehow still be the light that Jesus wants you to be? It's going to be very difficult, and it's going to be very dark times. And I just think that it's incumbent on those who love America, to fight for America, if nothing else to honor those who went before and gave the ultimate sacrifice their lives. Gary Duncan  26:05  Yes, yes. And thank you for your service because you're an Army vet, correct? Unknown Speaker  26:09  Yes, I Yes. Thank you. Gary Duncan  26:11  Thank you for that. And so we need to, like the Bible says, my people perish for lack of knowledge. So we need to get knowledge. Pick up a book, get the book locked down a socialist plan to take away your freedom spell Cheryl Chumley. Also check out our podcast bold and blunt podcasts. It's on the edified network. Cheryl, is there any any place else that they can look up? I know you got two books on Amazon because I saw one of them's number one on I think fundamental, Christian category. And then you've got the other What's your book before that one called? Unknown Speaker  26:45  I actually have four books. My my previous one is socialist don't sleep, Christians must rise or America will fall. And then before that was devil in DC, and before that was please state USA, your website. Cheryl chumley.com. Gary Duncan  27:01  Cheryl chumley.com. We appreciate you. I appreciate you very much for taking the time. I know we're running just a little bit late here. But thank you so much for coming on the podcast and much Blessings to you for standing up. You're a true warrior in every sense, and we need more people like you. Unknown Speaker  27:19  Thank you so much, and thank you for all you do. God bless. All Gary Duncan  27:23  right, God bless you. Thank you, Cheryl. Unknown Speaker  27:25  Thanks again for listening to this episode of remnant revolution. If you liked what you heard, please leave a comment and rating in iTunes and Google Play. This helps us get heard by more people. And don't forget to share the podcast with your friends and family. Be sure to visit www dot remnant revolution.org. To join the conversation, access the show notes and keep up to date on important events and programming. To catch all the latest from me. You can follow me on Instagram at remnant revolution. Until next time, armor up, stand up and speak up Transcribed by https://otter.ai 

Asketic co-Founder Miķelis Baštiks talking with Inese Ozola from "Amoralle" and "Amoralle Level Up" about how to build and work with the audience and how to create new ways of building business by listening to your audience.M: Speaking of fundamental values, which we discussed while creating the website. You have identified them, but how do they impact the practical side of things? Secondly, we once touched upon this in our Instagram conversation, how you didn't create Level Up out of thin air, but instead created something for your existing audience or community that's completely different from your core business, which is to sew clothing. When you had SockBox, you probably never imagined you would have digital products, masterclasses, but when you understand your person, you can make anything for them, gather help for Ukraine, film videos and sew clothing. Those are different activities, but they are for the same person. I find it very interesting – building around the audience, because 9 out of 10 times it's the other way around. Someone decides to make or sell something and then looks for people who need it. You're the rare case, where you already had an audience and then you keep expanding it.I: If someone first decides to become a fashion designer, and there are a lot of people who feel such drive in them, and then this person very purposefully works toward what they believe in, then eventually they will find their audience. In these cases, the authenticity of such people is always totally clear, you know they are looking straight ahead towards their goal, it's their opinion. You may like it, so you follow that, or you may not like it – so you don't. The downside is that this usually is a very firm, inflexible, very straight path. While the other story, which is my story, is a relationship with the brand or with your dream.M: The difference is that in the first case the brand is created around the personality, but in the second case – around the audience. Seth Godin, a grand-master of marketing, has compared business creation to a dance – you called it a relationship – where you constantly do your best to not step on each other's foot and understand where you are going next, and that's the other path.I: I actually think that today's brands are about this relationship.M: As much as I was able to witness your team in action, it felt very good, and also, I could sense a system underneath. There was no bureaucracy, which was nice to observe. Have you intentionally applied that or is there a structure, the invisible carcass?I: You can't teach that, you can create that, it's a living organism, and it works because everyone is in their place. One of our unwritten rules is that every person who exits our premises, whether it's a cooperation partner, client or delivery person, has to feel happier than when they entered. To sell something at the store is not as important as making the lady happy as she leaves.M: That's one of the cornerstones of the brand, and then you seek how you can achieve that with music, interior design, relationships, specific staff dress code. And these are the small points of contact, which together create the sense of the brand or associations with Amoralle.I: Of course, I'm glad to hear praise, thank you for that, but I find critique to be of the highest value. That allows me to analyse the situation, and any critique is always followed by a small adjustment to the system going forward. For example, an individual order – a lady wants to make a dress. We have agreed on the design, the price, but something goes wrong, there's a lack of satisfaction. I dissect this whole situation, and going forward we introduce a payment of deposit with the order. If we don't pay the first instalment or pay before the service, then we don't feel involved in the process. Whereas, after we pay the first instalment we feel as a partner in the process towards the common goal. Also, a clear understanding of what each element costs and why. We get this question quite often. Why does this silk peignoir costs 1000 euros?M: How do you explain this value in practice? Do you explain during the meeting, is it explained on video or at the website? In your experience, what is the best way to convey the value of this end-product or piece of art?I: To date, a detailed video story has worked the best, where you see the beginning, the fabric being sewn by people and then the product, which is now on the catwalk at a fashion show. Then an unwritten rule is to have a sample, namely, the bicycle has been invented and you need to see what are the people, who already have reached the destination of our path, doing now.M: Okay, in every aspect of your operation?I: Yes, name it, in every aspect there's a sample, because when you see it visually, you understand what resonates with you and what is it you would like to change to convey the message to your clients. The sample has allowed me to save a lot of money and time. I've learned it over time in cases of failure, and by analysing them I realise that from now on we shall implement a sample. Failures are the ones that help you take bigger steps toward your goal; they help you save money and time in the future.M: How do you find the balance between being present with your team, doing all these things that you mentioned, and stepping away from all that quite a lot, letting the team work remotely or independently?I: I'm present as much as I can, I trust my colleagues and that's the only way I want to work. I pay a lot of attention to having the strongest, sharpest, most powerful and efficient colleagues on the team.M: How does it work in practice with there being multiple locations? Are you some days in one place and some days in other? Or do you all meet up or have a conference call or you work individually? How does that happen in reality?I: I spend a certain time in each place, but I do spend more time where the toughest stage is being tackled. For example, during the creation of Level Up, I spent more time at Level Up.M: How did you realise that during the Covid pandemic you could create a new business branch, which is Amoralle Level Up and has no direct relation to clothing, but is more like a community for women who relate to this brand, but you offer completely different products, namely, online masterclasses, digital products, various events on your premises?I: In this field of information and specialists, to be able to select the best, the most powerful ones and to transfer this knowledge to your clients, to be together with them and together realise how we as a brand can help them. And we can help, because we are the ones who created this femininity brand cult in Latvia. If you had to name a Latvian femininity brand, you would definitely mention Amoralle. That's what we created, this story of lace, the victory walks of lace. We have been the pioneers. It makes us responsible to these women to give them what they need today. And one day, if I as the director or we as the brand feel that they need a new direction, I will follow it.M: What you did in respect of Ukraine, when you momentarily, in a few days' time created a new centre, where you could bring the necessary things and supplies to help, it was not just an Instagram post of support, but a practical platform, which allowed the people who relate to your brand to get involved and help out.I: This story has more to it. When the war in Ukraine began, when Russia invaded Ukraine, we were having the pre-launch campaign for our new collection, we had planned to start selling the new collection. We had invested money in the collection and the marketing campaign, ads etc. At that moment it was clear to us that our women, the ones who love the brand Amoralle – none of them would want such dress, nobody would want to see it. That's not possible. We stopped everything instantly, and together with them we dived into helping as one big team.M: Once my friend told me that he had went into this shop on Brivibas Street called SockBox to buy socks for his girlfriend and that's the first time I heard of it. Later you became what you are now. How did it even begin? How did you get the idea to create something like this?I: I created the shop after my son had just been born, it was opened when he turned 9 months old. I basically created it at home with the computer, while feeding the baby. The initial idea was to offer socks from various manufacturers to women and men. Less than a year later I was working at the shop daily. I was the cleaner, the accountant, the director, I was everything. While working there every day, I realised that no one is producing the things that women would like to buy. I even went to China to see if somebody there produces what I think they would want to buy. Then my mom mentioned that we could sew it ourselves. She knows how to sew, but she had just joined sewing courses to improve her skills. I said “okay” and so we bought a sewing machine and hired Natālija who still works with us.M: The rebranding stage when SockBox became Amoralle. Why did that happen and how do you feel about that now?I: I wanted to create a fashion sock brand. In order to have a fashion sock brand you have to participate in a fashion show. When I got the permission to join a fashion show, only then I realised that you can't send a naked model with only socks on. That's how the first bodies were created. To create a “wow” moment for the final look, we made a flowy cape. That's how we started producing silk peignoirs. I can clearly remember the first client who bought a silk peignoir for 700 euros in the small SockBox shop. I almost fainted from happiness. That inspired me more and more. It still was called SockBox, we made silk peignoirs, sold them. We were contacted by a gentleman of Arab descent, who wanted us to open a shop in the Middle East. And we needed a name. At that time, we were already selling in the Middle East, and my clients were saying that it's pretty hard to make a connection between the name SockBox and silk peignoirs with this branding. When thinking about export, I realised that it's a problem and that we need a rebranding, and I made this decision, since the brand was still small enough to make a quick rebranding without much hassle.M: Does this name resonate with people in Saudi Arabia? People there are even more traditional than here.I: People are very traditional, you can't show any photo with a body. You can only show the clothes with no body. There are certain market conditions. But the risqué, sensual clothing itself, they like it very much. It's not much spoken about, and it must be marketed in other visual ways.M: There can be no photos of people?I: No, you can't show such clothing on people in Saudi Arabia. When a woman goes shopping in this kind of shop, there have to be at least two shop-assistants present in the room; you can't be alone. The woman doesn't speak, she indicates with her eyes what she has chosen, and she never pays for it. She makes a choice and then her husband, brother or father comes in to pay.M: In one of our conversations you mentioned that the brand essence is “beautiful at home”.I: Yes.M: I really liked what you said. It provided even more clarity about what this brand is and who it's meant for, as well as the situation and context this product is to be used in.I: The sense of self, relationship with yourself begins at home. It mostly happens when no one is around, during your “me time”. The dialogue with yourself. Clothing is a source of inspiration for me. I put on beautiful loungewear when no one is around and that's when magic happens. That's the beginning in my experience. In the shop, also in exhibitions in Paris or New York, I often hear “I don't have a home that's adequate for wearing this kind of clothing”. I think it's an open discussion. What comes first? Beautiful clothes and then a beautiful home? Or a beautiful home first and then beautiful clothing? I will tell you how it happened. We have these silk slips. They're like dresses and look amazing when combined with your beloved one's suit jacket. I once went out like that, and he said “You wore that at home. Isn't it a nightdress?”. I replied “Yes, but it's very comfortable and looks really great”. It also makes you feel a bit mysterious. You feel very free, you do what makes you comfortable. That's a brand value. Value of a women's brand. We only have female employees, by the way. And I want them to do things only in a way that's comfortable for them. When a woman is inspired, everything happens swiftly. You must have noticed it in your wife too. She sometimes ticks off every task swiftly and easily. But sometimes things are dragging.M: Yeah.I: If we talk about the Amoralle story of 14 years, I vividly remember one turning point. I was traveling back from exhibition in New York. We did very well and I was thinking about what to do next. There's this book “The ONE Thing”. It talks about how important it is in business and in life to choose one thing and focus on it. Then your day will consist of anything that moves you closer to this one thing. There's this whole method for finding this one thing. I tried to apply it to Amoralle, and I realised that we were thinking about wholesale trade at that time, we were thinking about the development of local market, also we were considering expansion of production. We were spending our time focusing on various things. After I completed all of the tasks, I concluded that there is one essential thing, which still remains my one thing, which I do in order to expand the brand. And that's online. It's very essential, valuable and necessary for any business to understand internally that the tomorrow is only online. In the online realm you converse with your client in a completely different way. If you want to develop your business online, you have to think completely differently.M: Just like with the brand essence you mentioned, “beautiful at home”. It's one essence that is difficult to catch, but when you find it, it helps arrange everything else around it. The same goes for online. You're doing specific physical things, which is your shop in Riga, but it has to serve for this one thing.I: Nowadays physical shopping is on the downturn, but it still is necessary. We want this experience of being present, we want to feel the authenticity. But I believe that the whole tomorrow will be online. And being online, letters play an enormous role. The proportion. You see the message differently, if the letter is too large or too small, or written differently.M: That's the digital interior design.

This song by Lauren Daigle has meant a lot to me the last few months and I feel it hits a lot of how I felt during my addiction and through recovery. I hope you enjoy my rendition! The actual song is linked at the bottom. Lyrics I keep fighting voices in my mind that say I'm not enough Every single lie that tells me I will never measure up Am I more than just the sum of every high and every low Remind me once again just who I am because I need to know Ooh-oh You say I am loved when I can't feel a thing You say I am strong when I think I am weak And you say I am held when I am falling short And when I don't belong, oh You say I am Yours And I believe (I) Oh, I believe (I) What You say of me (I) I believe The only thing that matters now is everything You think of me In You I find my worth, in You I find my identity Ooh-oh You say I am loved when I can't feel a thing You say I am strong when I think I am weak And you say I am held when I am falling short When I don't belong, oh You say I am Yours And I believe (I) Oh, I believe (I) What You say of me (I) Oh, I believe Taking all I have, and now I'm laying it at Your feet You have every failure, God, You have every victory Ooh-oh You say I am loved when I can't feel a thing You say I am strong when I think I am weak You say I am held when I am falling short When I don't belong, oh You say I am Yours And I believe (I) Oh, I believe (I) What You say of me (I) I believe Oh, I believe (I) Yes, I believe (I) What You say of me (I) I believe Source: Musixmatch Songwriters: Lauren Daigle You Say lyrics © Appstreet Music Original song: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sIaT8Jl2zpI

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How Can Therapists Actually Retire? - An interview with David Frank, financial planner for therapists Curt and Katie talk with David about managing finances, including student loan debt and retirement. We look at when to start saving, what to do when you're starting to save for retirement later in life, and how much is too much to save. David also shares his concept of a Money Date and how you should start looking at your financial picture. He also talks about financial planning and when to seek a professional for support. Interview with David Frank, Turning Point Financial Life Planning David Frank is on a mission to ensure every therapist has access to unbiased and fiduciary financial advice! Through the firm he founded, Turning Point Financial Life Planning, he helps therapists navigate every element of their financial lives: from understanding your practice P&L and building a personal budget to managing student loan debt and investing for retirement... and everything in between. Dave earned both his undergraduate and MBA degrees in finance and he also completed a certificate in personal financial planning. He's worked for over twenty years in investment banking, corporate finance and now personal finance. Don't let his love of the tax code and spreadsheets scare you off! You're just as likely to find him with his nose buried in one of Pema Chodron's books as reading up on the latest finance planning techniques. In this podcast episode we talk about: Managing Personal and Professional Finances How perfectionism can get in the way of saving The importance of “just getting started” in saving for retirement Saving money is a practice, not something you figure out once Why it is important to save money as soon as you can Navigating Student Loan Debt Student loan debt and how overwhelming it is to look at these debts The desire to pay off this debt as quickly as possible David's advice to save at least one time your annual income before aggressively paying off your student loan debt The comparison of interest rates on your debt versus returns on investing money Retirement and Investing in your Future “Starting to save and invest young is such great advice… and… it's advice for time travelers” For younger folks, the advice is to save as soon as possible What to do if you are closer to retirement age and you haven't started saving for retirement How to determine when you can retire “No one does this money thing perfectly, even if we start out of the gate pretty strong.” What to do when life happens and you have to start over David's own story of having to start over Societal fear due to 2008 and the Great Recession David Frank's Concept of “Money Dates” Reserve time each week to look at your money Start understanding how much you need to save Idea: go to the Social Security Administration Website to see what you're entitled to in social security How Much Money to Save The money mindset concerns that can get in the way of saving (or even looking at) your money How much money is too much money to save? Emergency funds and the feeling of safety and security The risks of saving too much money Quality of life questions when you are underspending Online tools to identify what you need in retirement, so you know when you've saved enough Actual numbers of what to save for retirement and what you can spend now Financial Planning – When and why to seek help with your money The complexity of the decisions related to paying debt versus investing The number of options available to each person when making decisions on our money Get feedback on how well you are doing on your practice financials and saving for retirement Risk planning, financial planning, estate and incapacity planning The importance of understanding your values when you look at how to spend your money Financial planning when you don't have a lot of money Choosing what you sacrifice when you decide to invest in shiny objects The problem of “shoulds” and getting financial advice from other therapists Our Generous Sponsor for this episode of the Modern Therapist's Survival Guide: Simplified SEO Consulting Simplified SEO Consulting is an SEO business specifically for therapists and other mental health providers. 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David's Website for Turning Point Financial Life Planning David's Finance Quickstart Guide David's Quickstart Intensive Coaching Session (use code MTSG for 20% off) David on LinkedIn Social Security Administration Website   Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast: The 4-1-1- on your 401K Making Bank as a Therapist Overcoming Your Poverty Mindset Don't Take Tax Advice From Therapists   Who we are: Curt Widhalm, LMFT Curt Widhalm is in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the cofounder of the Therapy Reimagined conference, an Adjunct Professor at Pepperdine University and CSUN, a former Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, former CFO of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com Katie Vernoy, LMFT Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant supporting leaders, visionaries, executives, and helping professionals to create sustainable careers. Katie, with Curt, has developed workshops and a conference, Therapy Reimagined, to support therapists navigating through the modern challenges of this profession. Katie is also a former President of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We're working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren't trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don't want to, but hey. Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: www.mtsgpodcast.com www.therapyreimagined.com https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Consultation services with Curt Widhalm or Katie Vernoy: The Fifty-Minute Hour Connect with the Modern Therapist Community: Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group   Modern Therapist's Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/   Transcript for this episode of the Modern Therapist's Survival Guide podcast (Autogenerated):   Curt Widhalm  00:00 This episode is brought to you by Simplified SEO consulting.   Katie Vernoy  00:03 Simplified SEO consulting is an SEO business specifically for therapists and other mental health providers. Their team of SEO specialists know how to get your website to the top of search engines so you get more calls from your ideal clients. They offer full SEO services and DIY trainings.   Curt Widhalm  00:21 Stay tuned at the end of the episode for a special discount.   Announcer  00:24 You're listening to the modern therapist Survival Guide, where therapists live, breathe, and practice as human beings to support you as a whole person and a therapist. Here are your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy.   Curt Widhalm  00:40 Welcome back modern therapists, this is the modern therapist Survival Guide. I'm Curt Widhalm with Katie Vernoy. And this is the podcast for all things therapists. And that includes money and how we're setting ourselves up for running good practices, taking care of ourselves, both while we're working and towards retirement so that way, we don't have to do this forever. And we can potentially retire someday. And here to help us talk about this is David Frank. He is a financial planner and the founder of Turning Point financial, and he's here to help put the fun back in funds and take the ire out of retirement. So thank you very much for joining us today.   David Frank  01:29 Brilliant, thanks so much for that introduction. Kurt. I'm super excited to be here and to talk about, yeah, all things Money and Finance and even the dreaded R word of retirement.   Katie Vernoy  01:40 I'm so glad you're here, we had a lot of fun working together around the conference. And we definitely I feel like you're a friend of the show and a friend of mine. And so I'm so glad you're here talking about that.   David Frank  01:51 Thanks   Katie Vernoy  01:51 Because I think there's a lot that needs to be discussed. On a previous episode Curt and I had been talking about one of the retirement plans that therapists have is suicide, which is horrible. And, and part of that is just not planning not making enough money. And so to me, I feel like this is an important conversation for us to be having. And you're a great person to do it because you're a financial planner, who has chosen to work specifically with therapists. But before I get ahead of myself, the first question we ask everyone is who are you? And what are you putting out to the world?   David Frank  02:26 Yeah, so as Curt mentioned, my name is David Frank, and I am a financial planner, and the founder of turning point, financial fat is a financial planning firm that I began and it is focused exclusively on helping therapists or mental health professionals take care of their finances. So that's what I'm putting out into the world. That's what I'm doing. My kind of mission is to help people live better lives to help your listeners, your therapists out there live better lives, and also grow their impact in the world. Because when we get sort of some of this money stuff out of the way, we can be more present for every element of our lives. And I think it's less about the money and more about the actual feelings and feeling better about money and not being so stressed and overwhelmed about it.   Curt Widhalm  03:08 What's wrong with you if that you chose to work with therapists? How does somebody be like, You know what there there are people who are easy to work with with money, and I'm up for a challenge. Why? What brought you to the the mental health world as far as your client population here?   David Frank  03:31 Yeah, great question. Well, so within the financial planning community, much like within the therapist, community and mental health community, there's this like raging debate going on about whether niching down and really specifically defining your target audience or target market is a good idea or not. And when I started turning point, when I started my own business, the big thing I was worried about is like, is anyone actually going to show up and want to work with me, like actually pay me money for my services? And the other the secondary concern was like, will I be able to add enough value will I actually be able to, like, really understand what's going on for folks and really help them in a meaningful way. And I became super convinced that the solution to both of those anxieties was to define a niche of who I really wanted to work with. And it was a very, what's the right word, I was just very stressed about getting the right niche. And at that time, I was, I was seeing my own therapist, and I had been seeing this guy for several years, and he was awesome. I was working with kind of a life and business coach, and I was agonizing over this decision. And finally, my coach reflected back to me something that was obvious to him, but was invisible to me. And he just said, Why don't you work with therapists? And I was like, Oh, my it was just like a light went off. That's the wrong metaphor, but it just it felt so right. I love talking to therapists, like I sometimes I think like a therapist. I love learning about their business. And it just seemed like a population that I could help and like you say, like, maybe maybe I'm up for the challenge.   Katie Vernoy  05:01 What do you think therapists get wrong when they think about retirement or saving money or taking care of their finances?   David Frank  05:08 Yeah, I what I see is something that not just therapists get wrong, but just generally most people get wrong. And that's this idea of having to figure it all out or get something perfect, rather than just simply getting started. And when it comes to managing finances, both personal finances and professional finances, like your private practice finances, I think the key really is simply just to get started. And so if we think about saving for retirement, I mean, man, just even saying that makes me feel a little bit overwhelmed, right, like, there's so much there to navigate and figure out. But I think the key is to just sort of get started and meet yourself where you're at and just say, Okay, what you really need to do to save for retirement is just that to start saving. So understanding if you can put away even if it's just $5, every month, just get started, build that muscle, build the practice of saving some money and moving it, even if it's just moving it to a dedicated checking account where you're beginning to build up savings, then like down the road, you can come back and sort of figure out, okay, I should probably be investing this money rather than simply putting it into a checking account or something like that. And it is like it's a practice, this stuff is not a project that you sit down one day and get it all done. And then you're just good. It's kind of like a mindfulness practice is really the way I often think about it and encourage others to think about it is to carve out some time, every week to just spend with your money stuff, both your internal stuff, what comes up for you, when you're dealing with money and finances, and with the external stuff of the accounts that you have in the amounts of those accounts and how you navigate it. So I'm just a huge proponent of just sort of getting started and make taking those small, little steps. And I feel too often people get hung up that like, No, I have to make this big, monumental shift, that perfectionist tendency that so many of us have, can really hold us back.   Curt Widhalm  06:57 So I think in your own way, you've answered a couple of the questions that we would normally ask here, which is, when should people start saving? And how much should they start saving, which I'm hearing you say, early, and whatever you can. So that's kind of the first part of this, for maybe some of our listeners who are earlier on in their careers who are facing things like massive student debt, where it's like, well, I should be throwing money at, you know, getting the government off my back or blowing providers off my back. What do you say to somebody in that position where it's very earlier on where they might be kind of death, avoidant, as opposed to starting to think about investing in themselves?   David Frank  07:44 Well, yeah, a couple of things I want to say in response to that. And first, Curt, I think you hit the nail on the head, start saving as soon as you can, there's this this magic of compounding what we talked about in the financial world. And that just means the sooner that you get started saving, the longer you have, or the longer you give those investments to grow. So the amount that you need to save can are like the percentage of your income that you should be saving toward retirement, it can change dramatically depending on when you start. So if you're starting to save for retirement, say in your mid to late 20s, from mid to late 20s, all the way through retirement, that's like 40 years for most of us. And so if you start that early, you could save like 15% of your income and be absolutely fine. The longer you wait, the greater percentage of your earnings that you'll ideally need to set aside. Now I don't want anyone to hear those numbers and kind of like freak out and prevent them from from even getting started. Because anything is better than nothing in this sort of situation. So that's part of the answer. And we can probably talk more about that. But the the student loan issue, I think is a huge one. And yeah, I mean, I really feel like it's so it's so easy to want to avoid student loans and not even look at them. And what I would say is that, regardless of the type of debt, whether it's student loan debt, or a mortgage or auto loan, or really almost anything else, I don't encourage people to start aggressively paying off debt until they've saved, you know, roughly about one times their their annual income through a combination of emergency funds, retirement account savings, and even just, you know, ordinary savings and other other investments. The one exception to that might be really high interest rate credit card debt, which you might want to pay off. But student loans, especially, the only way that you can really get into trouble with student loans is to ignore them and not look at them. There are so many amazing options in terms of different income driven repayment plans out there. If you have federal student loan debts, I would encourage you to start saving and start looking at your student loans and considering what might the right path be for you because there are so many good options out there. Unfortunately, because there are many options. It's a little confusing and overwhelming to navigate. But there are definitely great resources out there. So super long answer To your question, allow you guys to jump in.   Curt Widhalm  10:03 And if I can provide, you know, maybe a little bit of a perspective on this, you know, if you're looking at student loans, if your rates are like 5 6 7 percent in interest, even that can feel scary. But when you look at like stock market returns over the last couple of years, money that you could be saving 5% on by putting into your loan, you could have been getting returns of 1015, or more percent, depending on how that kind of stuff is invested, where you're using that same money to make your retirement come sooner. This is where having some of the ability to kind of sit and look at some of this stuff. And sitting with somebody like David would, I'm sure walk you through some of these kinds of comparisons of here's how you can make even very little money work for you.   David Frank  10:49 Yeah, I think that's that's an excellent point, Curt. And like that's, that's right. Like, it's always great to be investing the money and seeing really great returns from the stock market, like we have seen over the last couple years, really over the last 10 years, it's been an insane period, where there's been really healthy returns. And you're right, like you could have not pay down your student loans whatsoever. Because yeah, they're probably in the neighborhood of 5 6 7 8% interest each year, something like that. And that's just it's so complicated. Like there's so many factors to think through that I think yes, the more you spend some time just sort of looking and learning yourself, the more comfortable you'll start to be with it. And that way you can kind of avoid making more rash, emotional decisions, which is sometimes when folks get themselves in trouble. And yeah, you know, I'm having a conversation with financial person, who you who you trust, and who can help you make the right decision for you. Because there there is no one right decision really ever when it comes to all these things. It really is personal and helping a client or helping the person sitting across from me determine what is the right move for them, given their life's their their life, rather, their goal, their anxieties around money, their worries, how do we manage all those different things?   Katie Vernoy  11:59 I like that you're talking about it as individual decisions. I think there are some things we're kind of the cold hard numbers with some therapists are great at math, many therapists are not great at math, that's kind of a trope that I don't actually like, I think it's this thing of, of being able to actually look at the cold, hard numbers of what do I save by paying the minimum payment on my debt? Versus what do I earn from even putting something in a very risk free I mean, the stock market isn't necessarily risk free, you could make 10%, or you could lose 20%. You know, there's, there's so much there. And I think some people can hold that risk and are used to that, and some folks can't. And so I think looking at what, what makes sense for you with the emotional makeup of how you're looking at your money, the amount of bass that you have and can play around with as well as what your debt looks like. It seems like understanding that is really important. I think when we're looking at folks who are first starting out, which is kind of Kurt's question, which is like they have student loan debt, most likely, they are not earning a lot. And so you're saying kind of look at the numbers identify what's going to make the most sense, save a year's worth of salary before you really aggressively attack your student loan debt, I would recommend probably paying minimum payments. So you don't start? Well, yes, fee is as well. But like, I think there are folks that want they want to be debt free. And I think there's also a lot of folks who know that most people are never completely debt free because of mortgages or, or car loans or other types of debt that can be accrued. But when you look at folks who are a little further on, and whether it's age wise, or career wise, they're further along, and maybe they haven't saved for retirement, what would you say to them, because I think for folks who are early on and they can save the $5 a month or whatever, that's awesome. And I think that there is that compounding that you were talking about. But there are folks that I've talked to even that are like, I am in my 50s I'm in my 60s, I haven't done anything. And I just don't want to have to work forever. And so what would you recommend for folks who are further on in their life who are maybe further on in their career? What should you say, you know, how do you determine what you should save? How do you determine how and when you can retire? I mean, for folks who are later on I think there's there's sometimes a bigger question mark than folks for starting out. I mean, the message when you're first starting out when you're younger, and you're newer in your career, like just save, start it, you've got a lot of time it'll grow, we promise. But for folks that don't have that time, it's especially people who have recently seen their parents, colleagues and friends go through, you know, 2008 or, or different times when retirement just dropped out completely. I mean, there's some fear there's some societal fear around investing. Potentially you have to look at too.   David Frank  14:47 Yeah. No, I like the way you teed up that question too, because I Yes, starting to save and invest young is such great advice. And I also like to describe it as I'm like, It's advice for time travelers, right? Because it's like yeah, that is a lovely thing, but like who actually does that? I mean, some people do for sure.   Katie Vernoy  15:05 Curt and I both did because of the backgrounds that we have. So we both are very fortunate. But not everyone has that.   David Frank  15:12 No, well, just like as an aside, like, I also have like that similar background, like I have an undergraduate degree in finance, I have an MBA in finance. And so like, right out of the gate, in my early 20s, I was like, I gotta be saving, I got to be putting all this money in a 401k. And I did that from like, 22, or whatever to like, 32. And I was doing great. Like I was killing it. And then you know, life happened. And like, I went through a really rough period in my life, I ended up unemployed for like, three years. And guess what, like, I burned through all those savings. So I thought I had done all the right things. And I had, but like, life just happens. And so the story that I told myself at the age of 35, when I was like, essentially broke and starting over was, like, there were a lot of nevers like this is I'm never gonna have the same amount of money, I'm never gonna have the security, I'm never gonna feel comfortable. It's just like, it's kind of like it's over for me. And the truth is that life had all kinds of twists and turns in store for me, and that most of what I was telling myself then wasn't true. So why do I even tell that story? I think the point is, is like a no one does this money stuff perfectly, even if we start out of the game strong, so just be kind and forgiving to yourself, number one. And number two, you really don't know what the future holds like there can be tremendous improvements made in a really short amount of time. So with that, as background, I would say, again, I have this concept I call money dates, which is just set aside 30 minutes, every day, every week rather, or so every week or so 30 minutes or so put it on your calendar and just treat it as if it were, you know, a client appointment and be like, I'm going to sit with my money stuff, and just look at it every week, and just see what's happening. So that I think, especially if you're find yourself later in life, and you use the specter, you have worry or fear about retirement, just start that practice, start getting familiar with what's happening, start understanding maybe how much you might need to save. Yeah, and also try to bring someone else into it with you. Maybe that's a significant other, maybe that's someone in your personal life, who you feel comfortable having this conversation with, just to sort of make it seem less private and scary. That could also be someone like me, like a financial professional, that you have reason to believe would be trustworthy, and would give you good advice. Because there are always options, there's always hope. There's so many things, different levers, you can pull. And the last point I'll make on this is that if you're really worried First, I would go to the Social Security Administration website and just log in, create an account, see what your you'll be entitled to in terms of social security benefits, it might actually be a little bit more than you're suspecting. And that's just like so that that can provide a really solid base. It's not like you have to pay for everything yourself in return in retirement, we do have a bit of a backstop. So start there, and then begin to think, okay, beyond that monthly payment that I'll likely get, what more might I need? And how might I start to get there,   Curt Widhalm  18:05 I'm imagining these money dates of just sitting around with your financial statements and staring them in the eyes and doing the 36 questions to make you fall in love. Alright. Sounds great. But I don't know also, that it's that far off, when it's actually being able to look at this stuff intently as you're describing, and kind of shifting this from maybe more of the personal finance section to you also work with people as far as their finances towards their practices as well. How did how did those conversations look?   David Frank  18:39 Yeah, I mean, they they really run the gamut, you know, you know, what, what most people want to know, is just like, Am I doing okay? Like, is this okay? And I think the answer is, it's kind of this, I'll give like someone like something I read on the cover of a Buddhist magazine, which is like, your perfect just as you are. And you could use some improvement. I feel like that's always kind of like where I kind of began with this. Yeah. It's, it's, it's just like, that's just the truth, you know, and like, so everyone, like, it's a similar practice of just being like, okay, let's, let's look at your practice financials. When's the last time you looked at your profit and loss statement or your p&l? And for a lot of people, it's like, well, the last time I had to, which is when I had to prepare my taxes last year, and like, from there, like I'm not really sure. And so it's like, okay, let's no big deal, a very common experience. And we can and we can do better. So we can just sort of look at it and just sort of spend time with those numbers and just be like, I don't know what any of this means. Right? Like it's they're confusing. These financial statements are confusing. And every therapist that I've ever met, whether they're self described good at math or terrible at math, can understand them. Because this is just simple math. I think it's more about creating room and space for the uncomfortable feelings that come up. When when folks start to, to work with their practice finances, and it's Working to sort of sweep out of the way limiting beliefs around Oh, I'm just no good at this, I'll never figure this out. Because I guarantee like you can figure it out. And sometimes sure you need some support from a professional like me or a peer or whomever. But it's just spending time. And yeah, asking those 36 questions to fall in love with your practice, P&L, I think is, it's not a bad place to begin.   Katie Vernoy  20:23 That's funny, I think there's, there's so much emotion around money and security. And, and I think everybody, you know, there's a lot of different episodes, we've done with different folks on, you know, kind of money mindset and stuff. And we can link to those in the show notes as well. But I think that there's this idea, you know, we've got the folks that haven't saved anything and just, you know, they're living in a way or practicing in a way where they're barely making enough money to survive, or they're just not thinking about it, or whatever, you know. And then there's folks I've interacted with on the other side, where they don't pay themselves a lot, they save a lot of money in a, like an emergency fund, or they're investing a lot. And one of the questions that you had suggested we talk about is can you save too much? And so, so I wanted to ask about that. Because I think that there are folks who feel very safe, when they have a lot of money saved or set aside. And then and then they don't touch it at all. And to me, I feel like there there's some benefit to that. But I think to a point, and then there's also I think some potential things that can get in the way if you need a gigantic emergency fund.   David Frank  21:41 Yeah, I mean, well said exactly. And I kind of like talking about this too, because having money saved wherever it is, whether it's an a retirement account, or an investment account. It for a lot of people, it feels like safety and security. And I think on some level, but you know, money touches pretty much everything. I might argue everything in life, like every moment of your day, is impacted by money, even if you're just like carving out enough time to not be working or thinking about money. That's that's time, I guess, theoretically, you could be making money, or something like that. So it's so intertwined. And we get so many messages from society around money and why it's important what we should be doing with it. That yeah, that at that end of the spectrum, where it's just like, I want to squirrel away and save, because it creates safety and security, I think, yeah, I think I think there is a risk of saving too much. And it's the question I always ask is sort of, you know, what, what is important? Like, if you find yourself saving a lot of money, ask yourself what is important about having so much money in this account, or what is important about having a big emergency fund, you know, what comes up that there's, there's certainly something going on, and I think it isn't necessarily bad. And yet, I would say if you are constantly finding yourself having to live from a place of restriction or scarcity in that, like, oh, I can't take that vacation. Because I I'd rather be saving money. I can't even maybe take a professional training because even though I feel really passionate about doing that, I need to be saving money. If you find you're constantly saying no to things that would nourish you that would make your quality of life better, then I think there's something there's something you need to look at. And again, it's it's it's likely an emotional issue. And I think that's that's another good opportunity to, you know, work with a professional or also there's like so many, like pretty good tools online these days to help you assess where, where am I really in terms of saving for retirement? How much? Like, how safe do I do I need to be? This is like a personal story about saving so much for retirement, I had a friend who lived in New York, he worked for, I can't remember who he worked for. But he had, he had like a pension, like a really generous pension. And he was putting a ton of money into his 401k. And he was like three years away from retirement. And like, by any measure, he had all the safety and security at least financially that anyone could ever hope for. And he was so looking for forward to retirement, and then the pandemic hit. And he he died of a heart attack, just a sudden heart attack. Totally unexpected. I mean, the reason I share that is like It was tragic. It was horrible. And, and it's life, right? Like we're never we're not promised anything. So I think it's got to be a balance. Yes, save and plan for the future. And just know that there is no such thing as complete safety and security because our life's journeys can end really at any point. And I think we just need to acknowledge both of those facts that yes, we want to be living in the moment and making our current life as good as reasonably possible. And also be planning prudently for the future and then balancing those two and it's tricky.   Curt Widhalm  24:50 Besides just like squirreling money away and the places to put that money and how to spend that money. Are there other considerations of how therapy should be taking care of themselves and their assets. You know, like with your friend example here, I'm sure that part of the extension of this is looking at things like wills and power of attorney type things.   David Frank  25:14 Yeah. Yeah. All that fun stuff. That's yeah, like, I think of it as like, risk risk planning, and then estate and incapacity planning. And as a comprehensive financial planner, those are things that I that I help folks look at as well. And they're things that many of us don't want to want to look at. But yeah, you know, you know, I think when it comes to like, sort of estate in an incapacity planning, and that's the type of work that I will help clients think through, and you almost certainly need to work with a professional attorney licensed in your state of residence to put a plan like that in place. So many folks think, oh, estate planning, that's something for rich people. And yeah, that's true. And it's also pretty much for all of us. So like, putting in place like a professional will, which really just ensures that your your clients are cared for in the event, you can't continue to show up for them the way you do today in your practice, and also having like personal incapacity and estate planning documents in place, powers of attorney, you know, wills, maybe maybe a trust to depending on what state you live in, these are uncomfortable things to think about. It's not comfortable to think about our own potential, passing our inevitable passing, or our potential incapacity. And I think it's really important. It's really, I think, I view this stuff as like an extension of loving kindness to, to your future self, to your clients, to your family members and loved ones. And having having a thought partner to think through what are the right pieces of that plan to have in place for you, I think is is really important.   Katie Vernoy  26:46 The balance between living now and saving for the future, I think is a really tough one. I think along the lines of we could die at any moment. But we also could live longer than we expect.   David Frank  26:57 Yeah,   Katie Vernoy  26:57 I think the retirement age of 65, which, you know, came into place when people lived to be 70 or 75. You know, I think people living into their hundreds, I think that there is there is a lot longer that people theoretically could be retired. We also know there's a lot of therapists who practice well beyond that, because it's it can be a good quote unquote, retirement career. But to me, it seems like there's there's a lot to consider both in how do I live well, today, but also, how do I save enough to really live a long, long life, you know, like, the hope is that you're going to live and be in retirement for 3040 years. Right. You know, I think that that seems that's what I want. And so, if we're looking at identifying, I don't even know if there's a there's an answer here. And it probably is, you know, appropriately and it depends answer. But is there a percentage of our income that we should say, versus a percentage that we should and reinvest into our businesses? Or a percentage that we should use to enjoy our lives? Like, like, Are there standard typical percentages that people can kind of keep in mind when they're trying to make some of these decisions? If they are currently doing that on their own or with a, a non professional thinking partner?   David Frank  28:27 Yeah, that's a great question. And I think you're right, that my answer is going to be prefaced by It depends.   Katie Vernoy  28:33 Of course,   David Frank  28:34 and yeah, you know, and obviously, nothing we've covered here today, including what I'm about to say is advice for anyone listening, right? Like, I don't know, you personally, listener, whoever you are. So I can't give advice that's, that's tailored to your particular situation. But in general, going back to the theme of it, it also depends when you've started saving. So if you're starting to save for retirement, and you're somewhere in your mid to late 20s, targeting saving 15% of your, of your pre tax income. So a quick aside, like it's difficult to know, like, especially if you're self employed, you have your own private practice, how much money am I even making, the best place I think to go and look for that is on the first page of your federal income tax return. I know that's like a scary place like no one wants to go to unless they're absolutely forced to. But there's so many good numbers on it. And there, you will find your total income on the very first page, I think it's like line 16 or something, and that'll tell you your total income. So I would say find that number. And then say if you're in your 20s, multiply that by 15% or 15% of that, that's ideally how much you should be saving every year. If you're in your late 30s, I would say that number should be closer to 25% of your total income. And then if you're around 50, late 40s 50s, then that number starts to get closer to even 50% which is like a scary number. So that's that's kind of aspirational, like who can really do like that's, that's really, really tough, which is why I don't want those numbers like they're not carved in stone. They're rough guidelines. And if you find yourself for not meeting them, that would be a typical human experience, right? Like most people aren't going to consistently meet those. That's okay, just continue doing the best the best you can. And then like, once, if and when you can hit those numbers, then it's like the rest of your money, you need to figure out like, what, what is the right balance for you, and then it totally depends like is, if you can hit your savings targets of let's like, roughly, for most people, it's gonna be like 15, in the range of 15 to 25%. Like, that's mostly realistic. And that's like a pretty solid number that we can really begin to work with that opens up options for yourself for your future self, then they spend the rest of the money in the way that feels best to you, like, yeah, reinvest some of that. reinvest in your practice, like do do what feels what gives you energy, like kind of like, like, you know, what gives you joy? Like that's, that's really how I think it's important to think about   Curt Widhalm  30:53 when you're working with clients, I'm imagining that some of the depends that you're talking about here and getting to know them probably comes very much like therapy, and what do you value would you are hitting some of these financial goals and how you should spend it that for some clients, it might be, alright, you need to start spending this money, let's talk about buying a second house. Whereas for somebody else that might be, you know, what's you know, and see what kinds of, you know, charitable contributions that you can make? Do you ever find yourself in those very, very positive positions, but also on the flip side of that, like, hey, maybe you shouldn't get that doctorate, because it doesn't fit within your financial plans, or any kinds of other like, hold up like, this doesn't seem to fit with the lifestyle and values that you've talked about?   David Frank  31:46 Yeah, I mean, what I like to say, and this is not an original phrase that borrowed it from someone else in the personal finance industry, but I like to say like, you can have basically anything you want, you just can't have everything. So if you really want to do something, for whatever reason, I always encourage a little bit of self reflection, just sort of asking what what is it about, for example, getting a doctorate that feels so important and vital to you? And then if you answer that question to your satisfaction, like that's not it's not my life, it's not up to me what the best use of your money is, if it's really something that's vital and important to you, then the question is, well, what are the right trade offs? So let's, let's just look with some clarity and say, This is how much this is going to cost. In the case of a doctorate, there's student loans and options like that, and just be as clear eyed as we can about the future and say, Okay, here's why you want to do this, here's the why it's important, or here are the elements about it that are important for you. And here's the numbers associated with that, let's just figure out how to make it work well. And sometimes when when, when folks see the other the sacrifices and other areas of their life that they might have to make, suddenly they realize, actually, maybe this isn't what I want, because there are competing employer priorities that are actually more important. And I just, I sort of forgot. So sometimes what I do is just remind people just reflect back to them, what they've told me, or what they've demonstrated to me is important to them. Because as human beings we do with like, we see like a shiny object, and we want to chase after it. And sometimes that shiny object is like really something you should be pursuing. And other times, it's something that's just a distraction, and we just need to be reminded of what's more important.   Katie Vernoy  33:23 I love that I think it's really important, I guess that's the right word, I can think of here to understand yourself your values, and put put an individual plan together, I see a lot of shoulds you should be making this much money, you should be doing this, you should be doing that. And I think being able to really talk through with a knowledgeable person, you know, what, what actually are my values around this? What are my life goals? And how do I actually plan for those life goals versus someone else's, and and even really looking at individual circumstances, I've had folks that have told me that they don't want to take insurance because they get $5 less than their full fee. And I'm like, you're listening to advice from people in California where they get half of their full fee, you know, and so, like, you know, all of these shoulds and the kind of impromptu financial advice from other therapists and Facebook groups I think is something that we really need to fight against so that people can look at their own numbers, their own situation and make their own plan and so I love everything that you've said. And I appreciate your your thoughtfulness and your understanding of the emotional aspects of it that really make it hard for some folks to do this in a clear eyed way.   David Frank  34:43 Yeah, well thank you that's very kind and and yeah, I just think that word should I hate that it's just like stop shooting all over yourself like there is no once i Mister like they're just there is no right answer really for any of this and Yeah, like advice. I just like, I get so triggered Maybe is there I don't know what the right word is. But like when people give advice, I heard this in a webinar I attended the other month. And the speaker said, All advice is autobiographical. And I'm like, what does that mean? And what he meant was that anytime someone is giving you advice, they're speaking from their own experience. So they're really giving advice to themselves, like, oh, I should have done this in the past, or I should be doing this right now. But I'm actually not, or, or whatever it is. And so advice can be good. But whether it's coming from a professional, like a financial advisor, or a colleague that you know, somewhere, or someone you don't know, but in a Facebook group, just ask them to explain. They're like, Oh, okay, interesting point. Why do you why do you say that? Like, what, what is the thinking behind that? And you may discover that, oh, that, that that piece of advice applies for them, because it's autobiographical, but it's sure doesn't apply to me. Um, or you might find it does apply to you, and great if it does, but it is also individual,   Curt Widhalm  36:01 where can people find out more about you and turning point financial, if they want to reach out to you and work with you?   David Frank  36:10 Yeah, so the best thing for people to do is to navigate to my website, and access my finance quickstart guide for therapists. And that'll give you a sense of what you should be thinking about in your fancy financial life. And it also gives you a good sense of what it might be like to work with me. And my website is turning point hq.com. So that's like turning point, a bridge, the abbreviation for headquarters. And yeah, there's a ton of good resources on there. And I think I will even by the time this airs, we'll have a little simple worksheet that folks can work through to help them determine how much they might, they ought to be I don't, I'm gonna use the word should how much they might want to consider saving for retirement so so they can navigate to the website and find all that good stuff.   Curt Widhalm  36:51 And you've got an offer for our listeners as well.   David Frank  36:56 I do for just a special offer. For the listeners of this great podcast, I'm offering 20% off my QuickStart coaching intensive. So navigate to my website, under the Services description, you'll find more information about that. And when they're scheduling that meeting, if they just enter the code, MTSG, or something like that, I will offer them 20% off when it comes to pay me.   Katie Vernoy  37:18 Yay. That's awesome. Thank you.   Curt Widhalm  37:20 And we'll include links to all of that in our show notes. You can find those over at MTSGpodcast.com. And make sure to join our Facebook groups, modern therapist group, and follow us on our social media for updates on everything that we're doing and connecting you with some of the other wonderful people in our community, much like David. So, thank you very much for joining us today. And until next time, I'm Curt Widhalm with Katie Vernoy and David Frank.   Katie Vernoy  37:48 Thanks again to our sponsor, simplified SEO consulting.   Curt Widhalm  37:52 These days, word of mouth referrals just aren't enough to fill your caseload. Instead, most people go to Google when they're looking for a therapist. And when they start searching, you want to make sure they find you. That's where simplified SEO consulting comes in. It's founded and run by a private practice owner who understands the needs of a private practice, and they can help you learn to optimize your own website or they can do the optimizing for you.   Katie Vernoy  38:16 Visit simplifiedSEOconsulting.com/moderntherapist to learn more. And if you do decide to try your hand at optimizing your own website, you can get 20% off any of their DIY SEO courses using the code MODERN THERAPIST. Once again, visit simplified Seo consulting.com forward slash modern therapist and use the code modern therapist all caps.   Announcer  38:40 Thank you for listening to the modern therapist Survival Guide. Learn more about who we are and what we do at MTSGpodcast.com. You can also join us on Facebook and Twitter. And please don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss any of our episodes.

Welcome back to ArtBeat Radio!  For the final month of ART center's “Storydrama” class, students learned, analyzed, and interpreted the popular Scottish folktale “The Swan of Loch Sunart”. Throughout the project, students visually storyboarded the entire story. For the final project, students chose to present the story using their own words, taking the role of storyteller. Throughout the recording, you will year students' interpretation of each section of the story. We invite you to follow along and enjoy our class interpretation of this tragic tale.   Storytellers (in voice order): Max Lecanu-Fayet , Amber Nething, Summer Mariotta, Julianna Gallardo   Original Story: https://folklorescotland.com/the-swan-of-loch-sunart/  Transcript/Captions word for word including the instructor's voice:   Max: Once upon a time in Scotland there lived a couple named Eideard and Ceana. He was the son of a chief while she was a daughter of a commoner. Together they loved going down to Loch Sunart.   Instructor: One Night  Amber: One night, he asked her to marry him.  I: What did she say?  A: She said no. Tell your parents I will make more money. I: Yes, so she has to make more money right?  A: Yes  I: So she says, “I need more money”  A: I need some more money  I: And how did he feel?  A: He felt sad.   Summer: Ceana went to the lake because she was sad. So she looked at the orange, yellow sunset and the grassy mountains to think about her love.  I: And how did she feel when she looked at it?  S: She was happy.   Max: Eideard went to his parents house, seeking their approval. The house was very big, as it was the house of a chief. However, his parents refused. His mother said “You shall not marry her so long as I draw breath!” Eideard was devastated by the news.   Julianna: The man, he's sad and running towards the water and lake.  I: So he's running to the water  J: Running to the water, the lake, and the swans. He's angry and sad.   Summer: The man wasn't happy with what his mom had told him, so he went to the forest to distract himself. He went hunting to impress his mom and have plenty of supplies and plenty of meat for the people and he went to hunt a big beast to make a cloak for his beloved.   Max: As Eideard and Ceana stood by the Loch, they had no idea they were being spied upon. Eideard's mother had followed him curious as to why he didn't take his brother out hunting. She saw Eideard and Ceana together and exploded with fire and fury. She was angry that her son had disobeyed her.   Amber: In the forest, the witch spent time with the mom.  Instructor: So the mom decided to find a witch to cast a spell, and where was the witch? A: Right there.  I: Where did she live?  A: Umm, the forest  I: She lived in the forest, in a  A: Yes I: In a what? A house or a tent?  A: A tent  I: And what did the witch look like?  A: The witch  I: Looked  A: Looked  I: Evil  A: Evil.  I: And what was she wearing? A: A purple dress, a hat, and a stick.  I: A stick with a ….  A: Diamond. It's a magic, magic wand.   Julianna: The witch was waiting for the girl.  I: Who do we see in this picture?  J: A person  I: The witch  J: the witch  I: and the mom J: and the mom.   I: And the mom wants to make a deal.  J: and the mom wants to make a deal.  I: She asks the witch  J: Asked the witch I: “get rid of her!” J: “Get rid of her! That person right there!” I: Does she say yes or no? Does she agree to it?  J: Yes.  I: The witch says “Yes”.  J: The witch said “Yes”. I: And where are they, on the beach or in the forest?  J: In the forest. They are in the forest.  I: And the witch was going to get rid of the girl.  J: She gets rid of the girl!   Summer: The son's mother followed the witch through the forest to give her her most prize possession, it was her mother's cloak. So the witch cast the spell at the corner of the lake.   Summer: The witch found the girl. So she cast a glowing light spell at Ceana. But Ceana didn't see what was going on. The spell turned Ceana into a beautiful Swan.   Instructor: He stayed up all night.  Amber: He stayed up all night.  I: because he couldn't find her.  A: because he can't find her.  I: How did he feel?  A: He's sad with tears because he can't find her.  I: And what does he think?  A: That he can't find her.  I: She thinks she left him.  A: She thinks she left him!  I: Forever  A: Forever. He has a broken heart and he's angry.  I: He looked  A: He looked  I: at the  A: At the moon and the star.    Instructor: One day  Julianna: One day  I: The man J: The man  I: went to the lake  J: went to the lake  I: to hunt. J: to hunt.  I: When he got to the water  J: When he got to the water  I: he saw  J: he saw  I: a beautiful, big swan.  J: a beautiful, big swan.  I: He decided to kill it  J: He decided to kill it  I: so his family could eat  J: so his family and him could eat.  I: He took his bow J: He took the bow  I: and shot the swan.  J: shot the swan.  I: it hit the swan J: It hitted the swan  I: right under the wing.  J: under the wing.  I: The swan was  J: The swan was I: mortally wounded.  J: mortally wounded.   Max: As she died, Ceana let out a final cry and she turned back into a human. Eideard went down into the middle of the lake and saw what he had done. He cradled Ceana as she died in his arms. Eideard was saddened knowing he had just killed his love. Not wanting to be separated from her, he pulled out his danger and stabbed himself in the chest in the middle of the Loch. As he died, the swans took flight, leaving the Loch. To this day, the swans never step foot on Loch Sunart in respect for the two lovers who died that day.   Thank you to Max, Julianna, Summer, and Amber for this incredible retelling of the story and awesome album artwork!  Thanks for listening and tune in next time! For more information about our organization, please visit our website www.ableartswork.org 

We don't do 'best of' episodes at the Independent Music Podcast. Music is subjective and we love to shout about the music we love. This week, we're shouting about the music of 2020 that we love and haven't shouted about during our regular episodes. So whether it's 10-minute Finnish rock opuses, racially charged noise-jazz-hiphop, Kenyan field recordings, or Jordanian rap we've got something new(ish) and experimental for you to fall in love with. We also having pummelling techno, indie folk, choral experimental and a lot more. Tracklisting Oranssi Pazuzu - Uusi Teknokratia (Nuclear Blast, USA) Lil Asaf - El Burj (ANBA, Egypt) Tunng - Scared to Death (Full Time Hobby, UK) Screen Shadow - BOᗌIΞS (Scrnxxxshdw, UK) KMRU - Degree of Change (Seil Records, Germany) Pink Siifu - Bebe’s Kids, APOLLO ft. Moor Mother (de Rap Winkel Records, Netherlands) Couch Slut - I’m 14 (Gilead Media, USA) AYA - Ngallo (self-release, UK) Lyra Pramuk - Tendril (Bedroom Community, Iceland) A.N.I -Yes! Sure! If You Don´t Mind (Kashual Plastik, Germany) Produced and edited by Nick McCorriston.

Touchdown Charley stops by to chat about his forthcoming book the science-fiction erotic thriller The Iyes of Okanikas. Charley discusses with Bob what inspires his writing, how he approaches each book as a journey toward deeper enlightenment, and how he is able to contextualize and emphasize with humanity via his prose. In such a strange and uncertain world the comfort and honesty from such a voice warms the soul like a well tailored blanket.

5/12/20: On today’s Titan Talk (broadcast live on Facebook, Instagram & Youtube!) Titan Medical Center CEO John Tsikouris answers live Q&A and talks about: Therapy of the Week: Energy boosting & fat burning oral therapy, ECA Stack Plus What’s in it & how it works July-August cruises start back up My Blood work review Fords new respirators are awesome! TITAN CORONA PACKAGE STIMULUS GIVEAWAY #3 Weekly Titan Newsletter Poll: “Have you ever tried doctor prescribed weight loss medications?” No - Why should I? Yes but they did not work for me Yes - Injectables Yes - Oral therapies As always we have LIVE Q&A so please comment & ask any questions! See our Titan Medical Health & Lifestyle TV Show Sundays on ABC @11am! Sign up for our Titan Medical Fitness PROGRAMS (nutrition & workouts): titanmedicalfitness.com Don’t miss out on our Titan Weekly Newsletter that’s full of information about Titan’s therapies, events, & just about everything else! It includes direct links to all of our social media and website sections all in one email! 5/11/20 Weekly Newsletter: Fat Burning & Energy Boosting Therapy - ECA Stack Plus (https://conta.cc/2AhKv2k) Just text: “titanmedical” to the number: 22828 to automatically be put on our emailing list. Follow us on our social media, YouTube, & listen to us on our Titan Medical podcast! (https://titanmedicallifestylepodcast.fireside.fm) titanmedical #johntsikouris #peptide #coronavirus #COVID19 #muscle #injectablevitamin #HRT #aod9604 #ppp #kentuckyderby #anitoxidants #diseaseprevention #medicalscience #aminos #vitaminb12 #preventativemedicine #health #advice #tampa #therapy #medicalclinic #weightloss #diet #talkshow #antiaging #tvshow

The story begins in the summer of 2017 on a beach in Bali. The place where I (YES, that’s me Amy*) discovered the magic of matcha. An energy boost much like coffee but without the jitters and crash. I knew I had gold in my hands.  Back home and tired of drinks full of sugar and bad chemicals. I decided it was time for a change. No more weird stuff and only pure, 100% natural ingredients.  Only 21 at the time, I started Maratcha as an antidote to unhealthy drinks. Sourced some of the best matcha on the planet from small organic & sustainable family farms in Uji, Japan and brought it here for you to enjoy.  Sure, Maratcha is a drink, but we like to think its much more than that. We want a more sustainable and innovative future for all, who doesn’t? That’s why we give 1% of our profits to charities, package with eco-friendly materials and teamed up with a social workplace to pack up your orders. So that you can feel good about what you’re drinking. Now bringing 100% natural good stuff for people and planet to you. Welcome to the MaratchaFam!   Hosted By: Deborah Michas (IG: @deborahmichas) & Justin Ryan Bizzarro (IG: @justinbizzarro).   Free Podcast.  No Advertisements.  The stories of Food, Beverage and Nutrition Entrepreneurs and how their failures led to the successes in their lives and in their business.  What does the future have in store for the food, beverage, and nutrition entrepreneur?    JUSTIN AND THE [FOOD] ENTREPRENEURS Email: justin@thefoodentrepreneurs.com Instagram: @justinandthefoodentrepreneurs ( #foodentrepreneurs )   All music is scored by host or royalty free.   

Stories in this episode: In the early days of his firefighting career, Steve enters a burning home to save a life and is forced to choose between protocol and following the Spirit; Heidi anguishes over her efforts to help create a documentary about Joseph Smith’s life until she receives a special witness from God; Alone in the rainforests of Madagascar, Elizabeth finds herself in dire need of heavenly power to call down a miracle. SHOW NOTES To see pictures and links for this episode, go to LDSLiving.com/thisisthegospel TRANSCRIPT   KaRyn  0:01  I have mixed feelings about what I'm about to tell you. I know that we need stories more now than ever, but the time has come for us to take a break here at This Is the Gospel so we can gather and prepare new episodes. We'll be back as soon as we can with season three, filled with totally new themes and new stories on those themes. And in the meantime, we'll still be over on Instagram @thisisthegospel_podcast and on Facebook at This is the Gospel, sharing all of our upcoming themes and pitch line requests, and maybe even a bonus episode or two. And so, while we won't have weekly episodes, we're not going to stop thinking of ways to help us all tell the stories that matter and lift up our week. Now on with the show. Welcome to This is the Gospel. An LDS Living podcast where we feature real stories from real people who are practicing and living their faith every day. I'm your host KaRyn Lay. I'm feeling pretty inadequate today. I'm sitting in my home office, the day after my very first earthquake, which also happens to be for me the seventh day of an unprecedented self-quarantine due to a global pandemic. And as I've attempted to write something to introduce today's theme, the only thought that keeps coming to me is, "I'm not sure I'm strong enough for these latter days, Heavenly Father. I'm just not sure I can do it." Well, maybe you've wondered the same thing about yourself, or maybe you've been through stranger moments than these and have a sure knowledge of your capacity to make good during hard times. Well, either way, I think it's still difficult to watch as things shut down all around us, left and right. Doors, literally closing, the doors of restaurants, libraries, businesses, and our homes as we step inside to protect our families, our neighbors, and our communities. And that's probably why today's episode took so long to come together. When we first launched Season Two in September, "The Heavens are Open" was one of the first episode themes we had slated to produce and air. And week after week, it got pushed back. First, we didn't quite have the right stories, and then we didn't quite have the time to make it what we wanted it to be, and so it kept moving further and further away from the beginning of the season and landed here instead, the very tail end of Season Two, in the middle of a time when I think maybe there's nothing that I need to know more than the fact that God really is present, that He's still here, and He's pouring His power and His glory and His goodness down on us in the midst of these latter days. He's coming to us in a still small voice, and He's coming to us in the thunder of a general conference broadcast, where despite the fact that we can't attend, we will hear Him in the prophetic council. He's here in the midst of us right now. He is here with us in the trenches of our humanity. The heavens are open if we choose to hear Him, as President Nelson has invited us to do. So today, finally, we have three stories from people who engaged with heaven here on Earth, in their own unique way. Our first storyteller is, a This is the Gospel favorite, my neighbor Steve, who shares a story from early in his days as a firefighter when a choice to follow the spirit over protocol just may have saved his life. Here's Steve. Steve  3:31  So we respond to an early morning fire, probably 5:30/6 o'clock in the morning, and we arrive and it's a call of just smoke. So we pull up on the fire apparatus and we get off and you can see that there's some smoke kind of coming out of the air conditioning unit on the top of the roof, but not nothing really crazy at this point. So we kind of look around, I'm with my captain because I'm a new guy, so I'm following him around, you know, and we kind of look up to the window and the inside of the window is pitch black, full of smoke, and there's always kind of streaks of water that runs down because all that water vaporizes and then kind of condenses on the window, and so you can tell -- so we know there's a fire inside, a pretty significant fire. Pop the door, breached the door, and huge smoke comes out, right? It's on fire. It's burning and it's hot. So I get the hose line and with my partner and we kind of start making our advance into this very dark structure. One of the first things I learned that becoming a new firefighter is not like TV. The real fires, structure fires, when the fire is contained inside of a box, a house, are black, heavy, oppressive smoke, you cannot see, and it's terribly hot. Some of those things that we can't simulate in training is the oppressive heat and just the the density of the smoke. I mean, you literally cannot see your hand in front your face. So I'm kind of bumping around in you know, inside dragging the hose on, and we're trying to find a fire. We can't find it. We can hear it cracking. The heat is oppressive. So we know we're getting close, and there's dense, heavy smoke. You know, we're yelling, "Is anyone in here? Is anyone here?" You know, "We're looking for people," and then somehow I kind of get a little bit separated from my partner and it's getting really hot now and I'm just pushing a little bit farther, a little bit farther, a little bit farther, right, the statement is, "We will risk our lives a lot in a calculated manner to save a savable life. We will not risk our lives at all, to save that which they're already lost or has no value." So I'm in that calculated manner "Save a saveable life." We think someone's inside here. I can notice very distinctly, I can feel through my gloves, the change in kind of carpet to linoleum, so I know I'm in a kitchen, and now it's really hot in the kitchen, so the fire is probably around here somewhere, and I'm only about half a meter inside. And it's one of those rare times in my life and that I hear in my mind, "Stephen, get off the floor." To my shame, I kind of ignore it the first time because I'm looking for someone, right? So I push a little bit, a little bit farther into the room. "Steven, get off the floor and move out of the kitchen." "Okay," so I started backing up. I'm kind of pulling the hose line back, and literally the second I move off that linoleum floor and back into the carpet, the entire floor caves in. Suddenly, you can see everything. There's fire to to the ceiling, fire to the wall. My partner, I hear him call a mayday and he bails out of the window. And now I am, I'm in here and I've lost the hose line. So I don't know where I am. So I'm trying to back up, it's hot. I see a bunch of orange in front of me. And I'm starting to back out and you can hear the radio traffic is escalating on the outside. And I don't know how long I was in there, but I'm trying to bump my way back to the front room through the smoke, and I think I'm just about to the door and this big hand comes in, grabs me by the scruff of the neck, my turnout gear, pulls me out of the front door and kind of stands me up and it's this big, classic, if you were to make a character of any firefighter, it would be this guy. Big mustache, like 6 foot 2,300 pounds, big dude stands me right up on my feet and says, "Hey, are you okay?" and my turnout gear is all smokey and burned and I "Yes, thank you," you know, that kind of thing. And I get out, and then we fight the fire from the exterior, we can't find anyone inside at the time. But it was one of those rare, rare occurrences in my life where somebody cared about me and told me to do something and move, and I moved. Given my experience, I'm pretty sure I would not have survived that, frankly. But I'm so grateful, right, for that experience, and for that loving Heavenly Father and that still small voice. It wasn't loud in the chaos or the fire, wearing my turnout gear, I'm all encapsulated, and it was that still small voice that called me by name and told me to move. Since that time, I have resolved to do the best I can to listen. Now clearly there have been times when I can't tell what it is, if it's just an impression, if it's... who knows? Who cares, right? Doesn't matter. And I've done what I felt like I should have done or what I felt like I was told to do and there was no miraculous, no seminal moment in my life, but there have been other times when I have listened and things have changed. I hope I'm always worthy enough to have that connection. KaRyn  8:48  That was Steve. If you haven't heard Steve's season one story from our "To the Rescue" episode, it's definitely worth revisiting. What I appreciate about the story and about Steve is that acknowledgement, that moments like these, moments of pure and clear revelation, are rare in his life. But when they do happen, if he chooses to listen, things change. And there's something really interesting about the practice of listening that Steve mentioned at the end of his story. You know, sometimes we may have an impression, a thought, or a feeling, and maybe we're unsure of its origin. "Was that the still small voice? Or was it last night's very bad decision to go to Taco Bell?" It's not always easy to discern. But if we practice moving forward with confidence, as long as the impression is moving us towards discipleship and Christ, we will make ourselves ready to receive and obey when the pure heavenly messages reveal themselves through revelation. Our next story comes from writer and historian Heidi who received a special witness from God through a story from the Prophet Joseph's life.   Here's Heidi. Heidi  9:56  I was walking in the Salt Lake City Cemetery. I like to walk, and I love walking into the cemetery because there are all of these grave sites and you look at the names and the dates and you recognize that in each one of those graves is someone who has a host of stories you wish you knew. Now -- I'm a writer and a historian, and so that's very intriguing to me. So as I walk along, I'm often looking at that. Well this particular day, I was walking along in the cemetery, and I had just finished a very major project that had taken me almost two and a half, three years, and it was about the Prophet Joseph Smith. I was writing a documentary for PBS. It wasn't for the church. It was for people that didn't know Joseph. It was for people, it had to be what we called "bilingual." It had to speak to them and to members of the Church, but mostly to people who could be a little bit angry. Well, I'm walking along, and I realized that my hands no longer have an opportunity to do anything to that documentary. It's gone off to PBS to be signed off, and to be put up. And I was so sad. I was so sad that as I'm walking along, there are tears running down my face. And I could just imagine that the people who are mowing the grass were looking over at this lady who's walking and she's weeping, and that just doesn't seem to be right. But I was crying because I felt like I had failed. I wrote 47 versions of that documentary trying to get it right. What I wanted to have happen in people's lives because of the film, because of the book that would be out there as well, because of my understanding of Joseph Smith, I didn't want them to just place him in history. I didn't want them to just say, you know, "He did a lot of interesting things." I wanted them to have the experience of having the spirit say to them, "This is a prophet of God." I wanted them to be able to reach beyond everyday life, that linear plane we live on, that date, time, and place, I wanted them to reach beyond that, and have a spiritual experience that can only be administered from the heavens. I love Brigham Young's statement. I felt like shouting "hallelujah" to think I ever knew the Prophet Joseph Smith. I wanted people to feel that because I felt that. I felt like I knew him and I knew him before I came here. I felt like I had the responsibility to tell the story of the Prophet Joseph Smith in such a way that people would be drawn to him who otherwise had no interest or were even negative about his life in his teachings. That I had the opportunity to tell how great he was and how significant he was, not just in the history of the United States or religion as it was growing, but in the history of the world. And I had this grand view, and I didn't feel like I had gotten the documentary to that place. I didn't feel like I had just nailed it. You know how it is sometimes when you feel like, "Ah I got it!" and in this case, there were pieces that as hard as I had tried, I hadn't pulled it together. And so now here I am 47 versions later. I just felt this, "wait," that this is Joseph Smith we're talking about, and so I'm walking along, and I started talking right out loud to my Father in Heaven. I can remember saying to him, "I tried so hard. I can't remember anything being as difficult as this was." I'm telling the Lord about how I feel, and He knows because I was so prayerful while I did this. I was always talking to Him about, "I just don't know how to handle this, and I don't know how to handle that." And I would like to say that, you know, all of a sudden it would just appear on my screen, the Lord would say, "Oh, well, here's what you do with that," never happened. I just had to slog my way through it, and that's the way it is for almost everybody. These things don't just drop down from the sky, and so I'm telling him about how Heidi feels now. I'm putting Heidi back in the picture because Heidi's given two and a half years of her life, lost 28 pounds, worked herself to the bone, and but it didn't matter. None of that mattered. What mattered was that I did my part for Joseph Smith. So I'm walking along and the tears are running down my face and I'm just saying, you know, "I wanted this and I wanted that," kind of some of the things I've talked about. And then all of a sudden this sense of peace came over me, and I remember stopping. I didn't keep walking. I remember stopping and I know right where I was, I was on the hill right below where John Taylor is buried. And I stopped there, and the thought came into my mind, and I'm one of those people the Lord communicates to in words, I don't get those burnings and the tingling’s and I don't get those. I'm a word person, so I think He knows that and He says, "Oh I'll just talk to her and she'll listen." But words came into my mind, and the words were, "Heidi, Joseph had to give the endowment in the red brick store. It wasn't the way he wanted it, but it worked." Now, let me flashback for a minute to the second story of the red brick store. Joseph Smith, in 1840, had stood up before all of the saints who had gathered from many of them from the British Isles and eastern United States, and he said to them, "We need the temple more than anything else." And then he said, "if I can just live to see the temple completed, I'll say, 'Lord, it is enough. Let thy servant depart in peace.'" He gets down the road a couple of years, and it's 1842. This is an important date for Joseph Smith because the temple is starting to rise up on the hillside. It's only to ground level if that, but they are beginning to see that though they're living in tents and in caves on the mountain side, they're beginning to see the significance of this temple that is going to tower over the Mississippi River on this bend, and the people are excited about that. They're giving everything they have. And Joseph is giving everything he has, contemplating that when this temple is completed, he gets to essentially complete his mission, that he has done the Book of Mormon and he's received priesthood power, and he's brought the saints gathered to here they are, they've started doing baptisms for the dead, and the temple is going to be the culmination of their religious experience. Okay, so Joseph knows all of this. It's in his head, and he's just wanting the Lord to let him just see it through to the end. And then 1842, he knows that he's not going to be there when the temple is completed. He sees how slowly it's going, and he recognizes, "I'm not going to be here." And so then he has to make the decision. "What do I do? Well, I've got to give the endowment," and he knows what it is, "I got to give the endowment in such a way and to enough people that it can be carried on when I'm gone and when the temple is completed." He takes them into the second story of the red brick store, nine men to the red brick store, it takes all day, and he gives them their endowment. I just sometimes think about how Joseph Smith must have felt. Here's Joseph watching this last piece, this culminating piece of the restoration slipway, he doesn't get to be there for it, after everything that he's given and everything that he's done. That experience in the red brick store came back to my mind in the cemetery. It was like the heavens had opened and the light came down, and I looked around, wondering if anyone else had heard what I'd heard because it was so pronounced, and it made so much sense to me because it kind of put some closure to Joseph's life for me, but more than that, I felt connected to him in a personal way. I understand now, that you put everything forward and the Lord knew that, and He said, "It wasn't the way he wanted it, and this isn't the way you wanted it, but it worked for Joseph." And then I thought to myself, "It will work." And it was one of those times where the heavens opened, and where the Lord kind of brought the whole thing together for me, not for anyone else. Now, it was just for me. And I have reflected back on that so many times of when things haven't come together just the way I wanted for this or for that, I just say to myself, "Heidi, Joseph had to give the endowment in the red brick store. It wasn't the way he wanted it, but it worked. It worked." And I will say to myself over and over again, "This will work." I don't, I don't think we allow Him to be that much a part of our lives sometimes. I think we want reinforcement from a lot of other places, and that was the only reinforcement that really mattered because it was so tied to what I've been doing, and it moved me legions forward. I think sometimes we expect the heavens to open when we ask for it, and we expect the heavens to open with the answer that we're asking for. And what I found so engaging in my connection to the heavens, is that the Lord came to me with something I didn't expect, but it was far more, it was far broader and far more enveloping for me because He knew what I needed. I think I came to the end of this project with a perspective because I had come to know Joseph Smith in a way that I prize not just my testimony of him and his work, but my witness of his goodness, all the way to his heart and his soul. I learned from him that it was not easy, not ever, to move the work forward, the restoration, it was not something that just the heavens opened and all the answers were there, he had to do a lot of legwork in order for things to get done. It isn't about the work per se. I learned from him that it's about the effort and the willingness to submit to the Lord. KaRyn  22:15  That was Heidi Swinton. Heidi is the award-winning writer of the PBS documentary "American Prophet: The Story of Joseph Smith," which was recently reissued as part of the bicentennial celebration of the first vision. And aside from her delightful storytelling abilities, Heidi holds a special place in my heart because it was during a deep and meaningful airplane conversation with her four years ago that I first jotted down the phrase "This is the Gospel" in my journal. Her unique knowledge of the Prophet Joseph Smith and her love and respect for him is absolutely inspiring to me. Sometimes he feels really far away and when I talked to Heidi, somehow he becomes real. And isn't it so cool that our God is an efficient God, He parts the heaven for Joseph in 1842, and then uses that experience to pour down his love and grace to Heidi in the 20th century. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, and I'll just keep saying it, our stories may just be the instrument that God chooses to use when he opens the heavens to our posterity generations from now. So write it down, write it down now so that it can do some good in the future. Our final story today comes from Elizabeth, who needed a miracle and got it when she discovered just how to ask for it.   Here's Elizabeth. Elizabeth  23:46  I was in this room with just a bed with a mosquito net and a little nightstand. I took off my boots and my sock and my foot was horribly infected. It was red, it was swollen, and I was really scared about how I was going to get out of there because I was three days into a seven-day hike in Madagascar and there were no hospitals. The whole reason I was there was because when I was a kid, I saw the show on the Discovery Channel about Madagascar, and how the forests were all being cut down and that lemurs only live there, and they were all endangered because of all this deforestation. And so my plan when I was a kid was to win the lottery, which I've played the lottery, but I was going to win a million dollars and buy Madagascar, and then everybody had to leave unless they agreed to not cut down the forests. So I've always loved wildlife, and I became a park ranger when I grew up. And I was working at Denali National Park in Alaska, and I had two months off every winter, so I would go someplace warm and sunny. I've been to Africa a bunch of times, to South Africa, Botswana, Namibia. In 2011, I was in Uganda, worked at a clinic for five weeks and then climbed Kilimanjaro. And then in 2013, I finally got to go to Madagascar. And I had three things that I wanted to do when I was there. I wanted to see a fossa. The fossa is the largest predator of lemurs in Madagascar, and I read that the best place to see him was Kirindy National Forest Park, so I went there. And then I wanted to do some volunteer work, so I found a place to volunteer for two weeks with nutrition for kids under age four. And then I wanted to hike in Masoala national park on the Masoala peninsula. So when you hike in the national parks in Madagascar, it's required that you hire a guide. So I flew into Maroantsetra and I went to the park office to arrange the hike, and the only guide they had that spoke English was Claudio, so I hired him. Because it was really hot and humid there, I didn't want to carry my own backpack. So I hired a porter. So the porters, they carry your backpack, they set up the tents, they cook the food, they even cooked lunch, they cooked all three meals. They didn't let me do anything actually, they were really good. And my backpack was kind of heavy, it had everything for six weeks in there, and we still needed food, so I hired another porter. So I had Gerard, who was an older guy, and Jovan and Claudio. Gerard and Jovan didn't speak any English, there's just Claudio. And then the trail was seven days long. We started on a pirogue, which is a little canoe that you can either paddle or push with a pole. After we got off the pirogue, we started hiking, and that was the one place where like the trail was kind of wide, and there were villagers, people living there and there was fruit trees, mango trees, and lychee trees and people were fishing and they had their fish laying out in the sun to dry, and there was a lot of shade on the trail because of all the big trees. So on the first night, we stayed in a hotel which had one one room and there was a shed out back with a barrel of water and a little cup for a shower. And on my way to the shower, after I had taken off my boots, I noticed that I had this big blister in between my big toe and the bottom of my foot. Really strange place for blister, I've never gotten one there before. And I wasn't worried about it, I've gotten so many blisters. It seems like every hike that I go on, I get blisters all over my feet, and it's just kind of an inconvenience, but I'm used to it. And I've never had a, you know, a serious problem, it's just been painful. During the night, my blister kind of filled up with fluid, and so when I started that second day, it almost immediately popped and Claudio told me there'd be river crossings, so I was wearing my sandals that second day. And there were river crossings, but they're also like the trail was flooded because we were walking between rice paddies, and it was really dirty water because there were cows everywhere and the rivers weren't particularly clean either. And so the trail was sometimes up to my shin in water and the river crossings were, you know, mid-thigh, so it was a lot of splashing through water that second day. And at the end of the second day, I thought, "well, I gotta clean this blister as best as I can." So I had some hand sanitizer and I kind of, you know, washed it off with that, but I did find a leech in the broken blister and I pulled that thing out. So I washed it as best as I could and didn't think much of it because it's just a blister. So on the third day, I wore my boots again and I was just hiking along like normal and around the afternoon, my foot started to get pretty sore, and I loosened the laces because I just thought, "Well, maybe I just tied my boot too tight today." But by the end of the day, as we were getting into the village where we're going to spend the night, I was trying really hard not to limp because my foot was so tender just to walk on and I just assumed that I had a lot more blisters. But then when I got to my room and took my boot off and my sock off, I saw that my foot was red, and it was swollen. I couldn't even see my ankle bone. My little toes were like little red sausages, and my foot was hot to the touch, and it was infected. And I didn't know how I was gonna walk the next day because it hurt so bad. So I didn't know how I was gonna get out of there, I didn't think that I was going to be able to walk the next day. And I was so freaked out that I didn't, I was afraid to tell Claudio, and there was nobody else that spoke English, and there were no clinics, there were no hospitals. There wasn't even electricity, there was no running water. I felt like I was in the middle of nowhere, and I was really stressed out. I didn't know if the infection was gonna get worse in the next day. I'm 5 foot 10 and I was taller than most of the people I met there and I thought, “they can't carry me out. We're three days in, four days the next way," you know, like, "What am I gonna do?" And I was just in this little room with there's little stick walls, the sticks close together, and you could see people moving around outside, like through the gaps in the sticks. And there's this lonely dark room with just my little kerosene lamp, and I felt so alone because I was feeling really far from anything I knew, and just all by myself out there in Madagascar, in the middle of nowhere, and I really, I really just wanted a priesthood blessing, and I wanted to find a member of the Church to give me a blessing, but there were no churches out there, there were no members of the Church. I had my little iPod touch with me and I hadn't used it because there's no way to charge it, but I knew I had conference talks on there. So I turned it on, and I had October 2012 conference talks on there. I had one by Elder Holland, about the first commandment, and he talks about the apostles and how they must have felt after Jesus was crucified and was resurrected and then he left, and they say, "Well, what do we do now?" And Peter says, "Well, I guess we just go back to fishing." And then he talks about, you know, he paraphrases Jesus saying to them, "Shouldn't this have, you know, being with me for three years, shouldn't it have changed you?" And I thought about how I've been changed by going to the temple and making my covenants there. I just, you know, sitting there in that dark room with just Elder Holland, in that conference talk, it made me realize that I wasn't alone and that I could ask for the power to be healed, I could pray. So I did, I knelt down on the floor outside the mosquito netting, and I said a prayer and I said, "Heavenly Father, I know you can heal my foot. Even if you choose not to, I know you won't leave me here. You haven't abandoned me, something will work out." And I knew that because I try to keep my covenants, I had this power I could ask for; to help me. And the best part was that I got done with that prayer and I felt peaceful. I wasn't worried about it. I knew something would work out. And I didn't feel so alone anymore. After that prayer, I went to sleep. I was able to get to sleep, and I woke up in the morning and my foot was back to normal size, and it wasn't hot anymore, it wasn't red. It was still a little sore, but it was healed. And my foot was better. It was miraculous. The other blisters I had didn't bother me for the rest of the hike. I was able to finish the hike. I had a wonderful time. I didn't even get any more leeches. It was just a fantastic experience, and I am so thankful that I could have that reassurance that I knew that I had that power to draw on and that I wasn't alone, that Heavenly Father wouldn't leave me and that I could ask for his help. KaRyn  33:36  That was Elizabeth. I adore the simple story of healing for so many reasons. but I think my favorite part is this. Yes, waking up to a healed foot overnight is miraculous, but I think the real miracle in a rain forest in Madagascar thousands and thousands of miles from home, was actually her revelation about the Priesthood of God. That it's here, on the Earth right now because of the restoration of the gospel in this dispensation, and as a faithful covenant keeping Daughter of God, she is never without access to its power, whether she's home or abroad. She said she feels grateful to be able to draw on that power. You know, this is a really interesting phrase that we sometimes use when we talk about the priesthood. To draw on something or to draw down something, means that we access a thing that is useful or precious that we've held in reserve. It's used in reference to money or oil or gas or water. There's a sense that when we draw on reserves, they diminish and I know that that's true about my canned peaches, and that's why I hold on to them with a fist of iron, but you know, the Priesthood Power of God is never diminished when we call it down. And the Prophet Joseph Smith promised us that it will, quote, "Never be taken from the Earth while mortality endures, for there will always be need for temporal direction, and the performance of ordinances," end quote. And you know what that means to me? That while everything else seems like it is closing around us, the heavens will never be closed to us as long as we're here trudging through dank waters on African islands with our broken bodies. That we can be sure of. You know, we chose the theme for this episode after reading Sister Wendy Nelson's book with the same title, and as the wife of our Prophet, President Nelson, she has a courtside seat to the continuing revelation and heavenly guidance that defines his role of Prophet, Seer, and Revelator for the Church. One of my favorite moments in the book was when Sister Nelson shared this, she said, quote, "Recently my husband said to me, 'Wendy, the Lord is just as eager to give revelation to you as He is to give it to me,'" end quote. I think it's easy to forget that we're entitled. By virtue of our divine nature as Daughters and Sons of God, that we're entitled to call down the heavens and all that that entails. Prophets or people with weighty jobs in the Church do not get a more direct line to the heavens just because of the work they do. They may receive different kinds of information or have a different scope to that connection, but our God is no respecter of persons. And while the Prophet has a special calling and specific authority to receive revelation for the Church as a whole, he is no more entitled to the gifts of such connection than you or me. And so how do we do it? In these absolutely wild and crazy times when we might need to draw upon the endless reserves of heavenly power more than ever? How do we move with confidence when the voice calls us by name to get off the floor in our smoke filled spaces, or open the door to the piece of heaven when we're not sure we've done enough? How do we call down healing and hope in the jungles of loneliness? Well, we start with the Savior. We always start with the Savior. Sister Nelson wrote this quote, "As we truly focus on the Savior, as we truly remember Him and His infinite Atonement, as day after day we think of Him more and more, the heavens will open. Our fears and doubts will decrease. Some will even flee! We will be led along. We will know what to do, step by step. We will learn how to draw upon the power available to us because the Savior atoned for us. We will learn how to access His cleansing, healing, redemptive, strengthening power. And we will experience the freedom to be our true selves as we unyoke ourselves from the world and instead yoke ourselves to the Savior," end quote. So for those of you, who like me, struggle with feeling just a little bit inadequately matched to the times ahead, what we have to remember is that we're already here. We're here, and we're already made adequate through Christ, through our best efforts and his grace and mercy. Maybe we're showing up imperfectly and in pieces right now, and maybe we could choose to be a little bit more intentional in those efforts. I know I could. But if we're trying, then we're exactly where we should be, doing exactly what we should be doing, the heavens do see us and they do know us, and they are blessing us as we call upon them and draw down their powers. That's it for this episode of This is the Gospel. Thank you to our storytellers, firefighter Steve, historian Heidi S. Swinton and adventurer Elizabeth. We'll have links to Heidi's documentary as well as Sister Nelson's beautiful book "The Heavens Are Open," and other good stuff including a transcript of this episode in the show notes at LDSLiving.com/ThisistheGospel. All of the stories on this podcast are true and accurate as affirmed by our storytellers. We love to hear all the ways that this type of storytelling strengthens your faith in God and love for his children. If you have a minute to leave us a review, and a rating, wherever you listen to your podcast, please do. We've got plenty of time, I know you're sitting in your house wondering what to do. Especially during this hiatus, all the good words help us to keep working hard and know more of the kinds of stories and themes that are most meaningful to you. And, added bonus if you didn't already know, every single review helps us to show up in the search for more people when they're looking for something good to listen to. If you have a story to share about Living the Gospel, please call our pitch line, leave us a pitch. We often find many of our stories including Elizabeth's story today from the pitch line, and we love to hear how the Gospel has blessed your life. And the pitch line is very much open during this social distancing, so call 515-519-6179 and pitch your story in three minutes or less. This episode was produced by me, KaRyn Lay, with story editing and producing by Jasmine Mullen, Katie Lambert, Erika Free, and Danielle Wagner. It was scored, mixed, and mastered by Mix at Six Studios. That is such a tongue twister. Our executive producer is Erin Hallstrom. You can find past episodes of this podcast and other LDS Living podcasts at LDSLiving.com/podcasts. Stay healthy, catch up on old episodes, and we'll see you soon.    

Bob & Kevin try to get to the bottom of the Iowa caucus app scandal and share their point of view on app development and development in general. Feel free to ping us on social media with your thoughts on this episode or any of our others - Follow us on twitter at https://twitter.com/bobandkevinshow.  Full transcription from Otter.ai Kevin 0:00 So breaking news, your fearless leader has been acquitted of all charges Bob, and I will ask you how that makes you feel because I really know how that makes you feel. But it does. Bob 0:13 I didn't think we were gonna date our podcasts like this, but that's okay. Kevin 0:19 That's true. That's true. But we are going to talk about something that did happen recently. But we're gonna expand upon it and look towards the future as we often do. Can you guess what's happening? But before we get into that, Bob 0:34 yep. Before we get into that, can we give a shout out or two to we had some social media engagement this week? from a recent episode about space travel to Mars? Shout out to Conrad. Kevin 0:48 Yes, Conrad. He's probably like, damn you guys when we're gonna do this collaboration thing so I can like fight you mano a mano right on these topics. Bob 0:59 Well, it's funny Though because I feel like Yes, we did ask a lot of questions. mostly focused around how, how this all works, you know how you make an engine that can do that trip. But then also, you know, the subspace communications thing. It's great. You can reference Star Trek, but I mean, we don't. That's fantasy, right? Kevin 1:21 It is. But the best thing about Star Trek is it's like a Venn diagram. It's definitely real, in some cases, believable, and it's definitely fantastical. However, it's not just lasers from spaceships. I mean, I guess they do have lasers, which are very accurate, but they do have a lot of Well, technically, yes, that's possible, but it's completely unreachable by today's standards type stuff. Bob 1:48 Right. And it does. Star Trek historically has driven a lot of our current technology on to watch how well I'm going to connect some things together right now. So Last night we were watching. Well, actually the last two nights we've been glued to the TV because we're old folks now. And we watch politically geared television, mostly following the Iowa caucus debacle, which we'll touch upon. But Caroline said to me, she goes, this is like 2020. Why is there such a delay between the asking of the question, and someone answering the question when they're really just from, you know, New York to Iowa? I'm like, still has to go up to the satellite and back down. It's about what a second and a half Kevin 2:32 No, it well, yet. It's about 500 milliseconds, half second. Doesn't sound like a ton. But Bob 2:38 is it a half up and half down or half total? Kevin 2:41 It's a half total. It's 250 milliseconds up. 250 down. Bob 2:45 Wow, it feels like a lot more on those live broadcasts, which is kind of it Yeah, Kevin 2:50 I saw Biden the other days talking to Seth Stephanopoulos or however you say his name and it was awkward because they just kept stepping on each other and Biden. I think had Like no idea on how to like, Okay, hold on a second Bob 3:04 Joe. Shut up. Let the man talk Grandpa Joe, Grandpa Joe doesn't understand Kevin 3:11 satellite delay. He probably does. But he he definitely didn't handle it. Well, but Anyway, I digress. Bob 3:18 So that half millisecond up and down though that's an ideal? Yes, it is circumstances. So it could lag long. Kevin 3:24 Yeah. So that that's just your transit time, from ground to satellite to back. However, you still have encoders because, you know, in the modern world, we, we take the signal and we change it from analog to digital digital to analog, because that signal that goes all the way out to space is an analog radio wave. And we've got to convert those back into bits on both sides. So there's a little bit of latency there, injected as well. So I mean, yeah, we've got some additional stuff. Bob 3:53 So we're learning a lot about the candidates every single day. And there's a lot of technology tied to that, but If I asked you this question, historically speaking, would you say that elections have been very tightly tied to technology? Other than recent history? I don't Kevin 4:11 think so. Bob 4:13 I mean, you think about you go into the booth. And for the most part and a lot of locations, you're still actually punching a hole in a piece of paper or, you know, there's there's a printed paper ballot. That's a result of that. I would not consider any of that very high tech. Kevin 4:27 Yeah, so my earliest memories of going, tagging along to go voting with my parents in the 80s. My earliest memories of voting, you'd walk you go to the school or wherever your voting precinct is, you walk into this thing you draw the curtain behind you. It looked like something it looked like George Booleans analytical machine it just looked like this metal thing and really exactly levers pulley. I don't know how you people voted back then. But apparently, I mean, of course, I was, you know, young child. So this is just my impression of it all. But apparently you did something and it Did something in the outputted like a punch card or something, and I guess that was your boat, and then they threw it on the stack and the next person went in. So that's my earliest memory. And then my, my modern memory and it hasn't really changed. Since I've been able to vote. It's It's like an E ink type screen where you push the button either on the far left or far right, there's like buttons on the left and right. And then when you get to the last page, you push the giant red button, which is now lit up like a Christmas tree. This is pushing this button means your vote counts, you know, you push the button and that's Bob 5:32 and then the dot matrix does its thing well, Kevin 5:36 it feels like you know, like a calculator from the late 90s technology, like you know, like a ti 85 is probably what runs my voting machine like nowadays. So I guess that's because years have the Jogwheel have such things it must be like an innovative voting. Well, we still have the big red button, okay. And we have the left and the right arrows have another not their arrow shaped buttons but then most of my adult voting has had the machine with the jog wheel so that's how you like you know there's a 256 color screen and it moves the highlight oh we have ours is to color it's it's literally like II think so there's no color to it at all but you know what really grinds my gears now that you brought it up you've triggered me Bob what grinds my gears is you can there's buttons in Indiana you can say you can vote straight party lines push this button for all republican push this button for all democrat and then that just bothers me that you don't even have to look I'm just gonna go Bob 6:40 over the screen. Yeah, on the first screen we get that option too but it's still like a screen and then in ours is like digital checkboxes I don't know it's pretty lame but it's still not I would not consider high tech in any way shape. I think they should ban those just like select all republican or select Oh democrat I just feel like that's totally disingenuous to the process. Just vote for the team. Well, it's funny that you bring up disingenuous to the process because the caucus the other night, the caucuses the other night in Iowa. I've never caucused personally have you. Kevin 7:19 I have not cockiest and it's so weird to use that word as a verb. But no, I've never cockiest Bob 7:25 apparently I'm going to get a chance to this year because my wife is either making me do that and or phone bank for a candidate coming up very soon. But anyway, I digress. The whole like disrespecting the process or whatever that exact phrase that you used, the fact that you line up in an area publicly, and then there's a chance for you then to persuade your friends and neighbors to join you in your area for the next phase that just feels Kevin 7:53 feels kind of icky. Like you can bring like a cheesecake and be like, hey, Fred, I know you're in the cheesecake, but hey, I'm into I'm into Bernie What do you think? I'll give you a slice it Bob 8:04 they were reporters talking about promising to shovel their neighbor snow for the following year baking them cookies like they've heard all these side conversations so yeah, people try to convince and or bribe each other to, to come stand in the corner with which is so weird is but part of me is like because it's not binding right? Kevin 8:25 But part of me is like okay, you're trying to persuade people and let's be honest people persuade people all the time with things and whatnot and a private citizen persuading another private citizen is not as lucky as a government official. Who sits on government money person get it being persuaded by a lobbyist for instance. Bob 8:46 Okay, fair enough. That's true. Just say Kevin 8:50 for sure, but yet caucusing. Sounds weird only because I'm using the actual definition of weird which means something other than outside my norm. You know, not that Yeah, weird bad this is outside what I'm used to. Bob 9:03 Well, I think we're gonna get to Is it weird bad or is it just bad bad here in a couple minutes, but do you think we should try to set a record and kick this off? Kevin 9:12 Yeah, let's do it. Bob 9:14 All right. So key music, edit that out. Kevin 9:17 So to add a little context, so the Iowa caucuses recently happened, but it happens every year. So whenever you listen, this pot it it happened. But what happens every four years? Thank you. What happened this time around is at the end of the night. No winner could be declared because Unknown Speaker 9:35 Bob, technology technology Kevin 9:37 and a little more context is the results were to be transmitted by a mobile app to the DNC of Iowa, Democratic National Committee of Iowa's headquarters, so they could feed cnn they could feed Fox News, they could feed all the outlets right? Bob 9:57 It I don't know what it was that the intent of the app because See, I'm so confused by this because I was watching it live. And while you know, obviously, the news outlets can't be at each one of the 1700 caucus locations, they were at, they picked like some of the high profile ones. And they were five, I was watching the CNN broadcast full disclosure, but there were five locations that they were covering pretty much live. And those locations ranged from, you know, slightly over 100 people at the caucus location to I think one of them was approaching 1000. So like 900, some I think the attendees were, and it's a very analog. caucusing is a very analog event. They literally are counting people in an area. So one of the things that they did differently this time around, is for the first time ever, they were going to share transparently with the viewing public or with America, basically, the first round numbers so you basically pick a candidate And based on the number of people at the location, they pick a viability threshold at 15%. So if there were 100 people at the caucus location, you would have to have 15 members in your caucus group to be viable. If you weren't, if you were underneath that threshold, the people in the non viable groups had to pick a second pick. But then that was it, they were locked in. So the first time ever, they were going to share round one numbers, round two numbers, then, as always, the delegate distribution, which is a whole nother set of fuckery after So, Kevin 11:38 so the app wasn't meant to integrate directly with CNN but it just you know, it's a means to say okay, I need to transmit numbers to from location A to location B, location being DNC headquarters to it, then the CNN of the world could then get tallies of all the precincts Bob 11:57 right, but in the olden days, people would call And I'm assuming or if they were close enough to the central repository, they would just drive their ballots there. Because there are cards that for each individual preference. And they would still report those, like one of the things mentioned over and over on the night of the caucus, which was just a few nights ago, that, you know, historically will last for you know, at 2016. At this time, we were 80% reported already. And that was the good old fashioned way with paper. So, Kevin 12:29 you know, I get the intent of, hey, it's it's the year 2020 let's let's find some slick technological way to make it easier because driving your your paper ballots there takes time. Sending a spreadsheet through email seems arcane. It just seems like you know, a lot of like, on the surface, hey, this is a great idea. But Bob 12:54 those wait before you get to your buck, can I ask you a simple question? Did you hear about this app? Before the day of the course not, I did not. Okay. I didn't either. I just wanted to make sure that I was either a part of the uninformed masses or be just an idiot. So it sounds like not many people knew about this app Well, up until the day of But should we Kevin 13:16 have? I think the answer is also no. I mean, this isn't one of those things that we should just be like, Hey, did you hear about Iowa? They're, they're running this new app. Let's see how it goes and do an elbow jab and somebody's rib, you know, I don't know. Bob 13:27 Yeah. But as a fast forward, though, when things are going in the shitter. And then all of a sudden you hear somebody say, oh, there was this app that we are really worried about. And we think, because early on, it was like, well, maybe that's what caused it. Just like casual maybe it was the app that was causing the problem. So to inform the lay listener here, what had happened was Kevin 13:50 apparently, not much because the there was a friction. There was a lot of friction between the precinct people trying to transmit Through this app to headquarters, and I was seeing some of the error messages, you know, basically couldn't connect or so there was some problem. Bob 14:08 And look, did you see that XYZ protocol one? Yeah. I'm Kevin 14:13 not. I'm not sure if that was like a placeholder, hey, you're using the wrong Bob 14:17 know that looked like a screengrab? Kevin 14:19 Well, it did. But I think it was a generic error message, hey, the protocol you're trying to use such as XYZ, blah, blah, blah. I don't think it was the actual literal one, like leaving foo, and bar code like I've done before, but I'm just saying, I hope that it was a generic label, but I was like, Well, fuck, that's not going to work. So there's no such thing as XYZ protocol. This app was created by a company called shadow Inc. And that is its own laughable thing. Wait a second. You tell me their shady operation and it's called shadow Inc. Okay. Bob 14:55 What what government group? I mean, seriously, let's take Technology aside, this is just basic common sense. I'm a government organization who hires a company called shadow Inc. Well, Kevin 15:09 I made the comment in her channel that Well, it's because sheisty ship com was already taken boots. Bob 15:17 And government is just not supposed to be in the same phrase together in the public. Kevin 15:24 So the app apparently costs 60 grand because my which is lower than my initial guy. I was thinking this was the least a seven digit app just because it's talking to government and put up with government bullshit, you add extra decimals and plays when we know. Bob 15:38 Do we know that it was talking to government? Um, wait, it seems like a point to point like, I don't think the government was involved. Well, Kevin 15:47 it's it was the DNC involved. So primaries are run by political parties. They're actually not run by the government. However, everyone at the DNC and all the candidates are completely associated with the government, right? Bob 16:03 Yeah, but we're talking about the same DNC that's had servers exposed to the outside hacked. pillage. So, I mean, they don't have a great tech track, right? Kevin 16:12 Total leadership via fail, I'll kind of get into that a little more. I'm gonna get through some of the details of the app and the company. So shadow Inc 60 grand, it used to factor off, which apparently was part of the problem. Hey, I'm all about to factor off. But we'll talk a little bit more about that. That the more shady part of this is that it was a side loaded app. Are you familiar with side loaded apps? Bob 16:37 sideload apps or that? Isn't that the protocol that you have to go through when it's not officially in the app store? Kevin 16:42 Because if you want to get an app on Android, you go to the Play Store, you want an app on? Apple, you're going to get it from the Apple Store, the App Store, and so wait, but Bob 16:52 I'm thinking if I wanted to protect something like that, I would totally go the sideload mess right. Kevin 16:59 I'm glad you brought Because I brought this up yesterday, too, because somebody said like, hey, shouldn't have been a warning flag. Yes and no. Because, Bob, what can I do with code, even if it's compiled? Bob 17:08 You can decompile it. So if it's public, that's all right. Kevin 17:12 So if I have an app that's meant to go to 1700 people, but it's on the Play store where anyone can download or apps or anyone can download it, that possibly opens up a bit of a risk there. Aside from that, Android will take any app, it could be a guest, your number game, Bob 17:30 they'll take it. Where Apple, yes, your number game where we steal all your information, Kevin 17:35 exactly. Where Apple is very stringent on their stuff, good for Apple. But let's say you don't want to go through that bullshit. And you're like, hey, look, there's 1700 people, we're going to use this. So there's different ways to distribute that and I think it's like fairy app or whatever they use, but there's one called hockey puck. So if you do mobile development, and you're like, Hey, Kevin, check this out. Or hey, Baba, can you test this out for me? It's not a In the store or this version is not in the store, you use the side services to get that app onto your phone. So at face value when somebody says, but it was sideload, isn't that shady? Well, yes and no. And I would actually come down on the idea that that's maybe what I would do too. Because, Bob 18:19 yeah, unless you do unless you upload it into your own server and had secure distribution, I mean, but that's still a sideload. Kevin 18:26 It's still a silo, because unless it's coming from the official Google Store, or iOS, it is a sideload, no matter where you get that from, and then to sideload that you got to turn off or turn on, if you will, developer mode. And there's just starting to become barriers to installing Bob 18:42 this right. There's a giant general user barrier to entry. But can we can we talk a little bit about like, just the concept of the app in general, because you said 60 grand, and you were a little shocked that it was below your original gas, which, obviously if you say hey, guess how much the government paid for this piece of shit. You're going to say a million dollar. Right? Exactly. That's just, that's just your standard answer. But when you think about what that app actually had to do, so 1700 locations, but each one of those locations was literally only sharing three numbers. First round total, second round total per candidate. So times will say times 10, even though it wasn't 10 candidates, so 30 numbers. Yes. You and I could build that in half day. Yes. So, so 60 grand, still pretty expensive. So Bob, Kevin 19:38 if you wouldn't mind in the top right. desk drawer, pull out your shiny tinfoil hat because I've got two answers for you. Bob 19:47 Dude, I've been wearing that tinfoil hat for Kevin 19:50 72 hours straight. I've got two answers for you and somebody put it in a tweet and I totally agree it was either gross incompetence, or somebody had an angle here and Angle like, hey, let's let's round this extra Penny and put it in a foreign bank account that went bad. It's like ship, ship ship, you know. So I am of the opinion that it is the former gross incompetence because you're right. All you gotta do is put some numbers in, send it to a server. Oh my god that is like every app ever and that is just like, I mean, we're not talking about threading. We're not talking about graphics. Bob 20:28 We're just like, it's literally five lines of code to post something to another flex like Kevin 20:35 this out, please. I mean, it wasn't hot. So I'm looking at this going. You have one job, but somebody actually tweeted, I think it was the voice of God handle you had na n Yeah, here, whatever. Bob 20:49 final number to come job. Oh my. Um, but yeah, so I think it's a combination of both. I think because I'm still wearing tinfoil hat. It was shady shit with gross negligence. Kevin 21:05 So to finish out the context, so it went completely horrible. We had no winner at the end of the night, which is worst case scenario, you have a sitting, Bob 21:14 we still don't have one Kevin 21:16 for dating ourselves. Bob 21:18 They still they could have counted these votes 10 times. Oh, Kevin 21:21 we have a sitting president, who's the opposition to these candidates laughing his ass off and going motherfuckers thank you for that gift. Thank you. And not that they need a new one. But thank you. All right. So, um, let me start kind of picking this apart. So where was the testing and where's the dry run? Because I think it was obvious based on some of the feedback of the people some people said they had no intention of using it because air quotes sounded too hard, or they waited till the Day of to try to install it to them, Bob 21:57 but from what I read The committee chair people are captains or whatever they call it. We're getting emails up until the day of the caucus with updated links for the app, right. Kevin 22:12 Which goes to show it's like, well, I am By the way, I don't blame developers. And Bob 22:18 we'll get to that point, I think, because that's the big combination. But anyway, right. Okay. Kevin 22:24 So, so some people are like, Oh, fuck, it's too hard. And then other people are like, hey, I've got this three year old or four year old android phone like me, and it just won't load because you know, part of the positive things of going through the apple review or getting it on Google Play as well you can you have a much wider distribution of bugs and whatnot, and hey, this doesn't work. When we report this bug. It just fucking sucks or, or it's great. But if you wait until the last minute and you have 1700 phones that may or may not work, I'm getting Android Bob 22:55 song recipe. Candy Cane. Kevin 22:58 Right or marshmallow. One of the main one like that Android naming is hard, right? Bob 23:03 Don't ask me Well, okay. Kevin 23:06 Okay. Apple named after mountains and shit like that. Bob 23:08 Phone Oh, SF Tom crap like that. Kevin 23:13 And it used to be big cats used to be like Cheetah and lion and like mountain lion or whatever, whatever. Anyway, yes, naming is hard. Okay, so. So clearly they were under some sort of last minute deadline for all we know they got this contract the week before, you know, and here you go. This has got to happen. It's 60 grand. And then they put their developers on the death mark. I feel Bob 23:35 like there's a timetable printed out there somewhere. And it's a little bit more liberal than I think what we're giving them credit for. Kevin 23:44 Maybe they oversold as an agency. Yeah, we'll take that back that never know. Let's do next week. That's it? Well, if we get into a waterfall versus agile, you will almost never have that problem with agile because you've got to show a working product weekly or every two weeks we're waterfall I think you can easily fall in that trap where it's like, oh shit, we've been planning and getting around to it. Our homework is actually due next week. And then you know, this is where you go like find something on the internet, cut and paste rename. Not saying I did that in college. But anyway, I like the internet barely existed back then. It was Bob 24:25 called that avalanche development, not waterfall. Oh, nice. Kevin 24:31 So do you have any other details on the applications development at all? Bob 24:36 I'm scanning through, but I mean, no, actually the development of the app itself, other than the price tag and stuff like that. No. It's so simple, though. I mean, it's got to be simple. Kevin 24:49 So in pop, and politics, everyone loves to point the finger actually, they do the they do the knuckle thing where, you know, I think Clinton started where you can't actually point and then Obama Did it you make this like random thing? It's kinda like a face with that first fingers like kind of push. Exactly. Bob, Bob knows the struggle. So the do knuckle pointing, right? Like cuz you don't think these days where the D. the DNC is basically like, Oh, this is a serious flaw in the app. Yeah. Bob 25:18 And but that didn't come out until our three after the coxes. Were all done. Like it was delay, delay, no information, no information delay delay. We're being extra careful. We're going over the results with a fine tooth comb to make sure that they are you know, as legitimate and unquestionable as possible. And then all of a sudden people kept praying. Well, actually, no, that's not even true. People didn't keep praying tweets started surfacing of the chair people captains, the caucus captains saying that they were having trouble with the app. And then obviously some reporters dug into the fact, in then they said there was some inconsistency of the data submitted through the app. Kevin 26:10 Yes. So there could be so many things. It could be simply Bob the precinct or not Bob. But Fred, the precinct Captain put in the wrong numbers. That's an inconsistent, right. But it has nothing to do no app. It could be that somebody who was looking at the source code told his boss Yeah, I see this bug here. But that wasn't it. But somehow some way that got transmitted up, hey, well, we did find this bug, but that wasn't it, which turned into Oh, they found the major bug. No, you know, over Bob 26:39 midnight, eastern time, the night of the caucuses, so. Kevin 26:44 So it was a huge clusterfuck. And but what was really obvious to me is their contingency plan either didn't exist, or they didn't take it serious. Bob 26:52 In the original proposal. I did see this. So in the original proposal, it was the app and the call center. So So they were going to act in tandem to be fallbacks for each other, but also to potentially limit the bandwidth requirement for each. So you could call in, or you could use the app. The I think the committee, the the Iowa democratic committee, opted to not go with the full package. So they ended up only with the app in a severely understaffed call center. Kevin 27:28 So if you're going to launch an app like that, do you think that's a high visibility app, Bob 27:33 but I think the intention was it wasn't going to be high visibility at all. And that was where the oops hat Well, Kevin 27:40 the curse of the IT industry as a whole. If you're doing your job, it's a non event, because the system is working. The bits are moving. Congratulations, Bob 27:47 however, Kevin 27:49 however, when Google goes down, Boss calls, why can't I google? And that's what happened, right? Why can't I send votes? So it's the curse of of visibility here that I think what got Miss allocated in terms of risk assessment here is, Hey, guys, what happens if this app just totally doesn't work? What if? What if the cell towers go down? What if? I don't know what, what if something, you know, what's the worst case scenario? Bob 28:20 All those would have been like pretty legit. But apparently they didn't even test if people could log in. Kevin 28:29 Right? Which is a bit mind blowing. But somebody pointed out to me at work. Kevin, do you realize what the average precinct workers demographic is? And it's not his words, but my words, but I would characterize them as this. There are people in their 60s or 70s and they are the same people who couldn't set their VCR clocks in the 80s and 90s. And we think Facebook and the internet are the same. Now I did. These are the people working The poll a Bob 29:00 lot of younger precinct captains, but I think that those might have been the ones associated with that kind of the younger campaigns. You know, Bernie staffers are usually pretty young and their volunteers are pretty young Mayor Pete very much the same. Elizabeth probably the same as well, but yeah, so But yeah, it's they're they're not tech savvy users for the most part. Kevin 29:25 No, and I would say the poll workers and the candidates Bob 29:29 volunteers are to know the caucusing people are they're truly like the the ones that are the committee captains their volunteer Kevin 29:38 there. So but are they associate with usually closely Bob 29:41 tied to a candidate? Kevin 29:44 Oh, man, that's news. Bob 29:47 coverage. So anyway, coverage from group to route group, like you'd have a committee like a captain, a caucus captain, and he would put he or she would put themselves in a group and they would say we have to call somebody over over to Kenya. Because I'm you know, I'm caucusing for Elizabeth Warren, even though they were a volunteer for the caucus itself that they're all politically involved people so they are tied to candidate. Yeah, I'm sure. Kevin 30:14 Well, I mean, who who works at polling doesn't have a candidate they like I mean, the reason you're there is because you're into politics right. So therefore you probably have Bob 30:23 the politically agnostic yet interested in politics person is going to be very, like very much the exception. Kevin 30:31 Right. All right. So their contingency plan was okay. The app is shit the bed. We have this hotline, and I was Bob 30:40 watching this wolf blitzer. fuck that guy. Kevin 30:43 Yes. Oh my god. case you haven't seen that. Well, Blitzer is talking to a guy who's on hold with the DNC the hotline. And he's talking He's like, yeah, I'm on hold and this is what we're supposed to do. And I've been on hold forever. And then the lady finally says Hello. Hello. He's like Wolfie, you won't believe it. I'm finally off hold and she's like, hello. And she's like, She's like, Okay, I gotta go. And then she's like, click here, the click on the phone, Caroline, Unknown Speaker 31:14 she has to call back and get back in line. We're yelling at the TV. We're like, no, she's gonna hang up. She's gonna hang up. Kevin 31:23 It was amazing TV right there. So. So there's that that was a contingency plan. But how can you not just be like, Okay, if both of these should fail? Or maybe we didn't have enough people in the call center. Guys, can we just send out an email? This wasn't a part of the contingency plan. We have 1700 email addresses, I would think, can we just send out an email says, hey, I've set up a Dropbox. This is the official Dropbox, post some sort of file in here with your tallies, and then we'll we'll just throw them in a spreadsheet together, guys, let's just get that This done. But guess what, Bob, as you alluded to earlier in this frickin episode, it's been a couple days since the goddamn voting Bob 32:09 is occurred, and they still haven't figured it out over over 48 hours are actually coming up on 48 hours. And we are 85% reported, I believe is last I saw like just a couple minutes ago, Kevin 32:22 I mentioned that. I mentioned a scenario that could come up the New Hampshire primary is next week. What is the possibility that we might have new hampshire results officially in before we have Iowa results? Well, Bob 32:37 technology aside, these results are going to get contested because of what's happening. So they might not be official, like they might reach 100% you know, like with 100% district reporting, but then somebody who didn't get their number that they wanted, they're gonna cry and they're going to contest it. Kevin 32:58 Where it means Yo, guys Sorry, because I saw him on. Cuz I saw Joe Biden He's like, well, we'll get more than our fair share of delegates. Dude, go away. I mean, the only reason he's still around is because of the impeachment. In my humble opinion. It's like, ah, he would have gone away but we impeach the guy. Ah, now we have to deal with Biden for a little bit longer. Bob 33:22 86% reporting right now. We got 14% left. Okay. Kevin 33:30 So, I'm gonna ask you some pointy questions. Bob 33:36 I love the pointy question segment of the show. Unknown Speaker 33:41 Two questions from Kevin does Bob so Kevin 33:44 so shadow Inc, apparently apparently took money or can take money from candidate parties to help for the development of the app. So I guess not just the DNC you know, hired them but they actually have Candidates allegedly or quotes contributing to the development of this app. Do you think there's a conflict of interest if I say I don't want to give $20,000 to shadowing for this talling thing to Bob 34:13 know hey, make sure you count them right we have I think we didn't give money to shadow Inc we donated money to acronym dirty Are you familiar with that company after we are Kevin 34:26 up um let me in on it because I did see the name but they're apparently distancing themselves from shadow Bob 34:33 ink so also another oh shit like names are. These names are like hysterical. They're just so fake. So acronym is a nonprofit corporation funded in 2017 by Tara gallons, political strategist. But anyway, they launched shadow ink. So they were the ones collecting the money. Kevin 34:56 Well, I was actually thinking about this Kevin Then maybe we have a show disclaimer at some point already. Kevin, you've been tasked to create this app the same app that you're going to do it right air quotes, because what is right anymore, right? So you're gonna do it. My first impression might be guys. Unknown Speaker 35:18 Let's take a Kevin 35:18 little bit of lesson learned out of this and go maybe we should set up a second company. Bob 35:25 Guaranteed. Kevin 35:28 I'm just saying because if this goes bad, and we need to rebrand like overnight, we could just get rid of that car. Bob 35:35 Right? Right. And the internet is flooded with in this is what I love about the internet. When people see something that might be hinky they screen grab it. And so their screen grabs of you know, acronym walking back their association with with shadow, but then somebody is like, what about this post that used to be on your About Us page. Kevin 35:58 So what does tinfoil hat say about a candidate contributing to a counting a simple counting tallying app. Do you think there's any chance that they're like, hey, sub adding just one at 1.1? And let's round up if you know what Bob 36:16 I'm saying. Let me let me layer even more conspiracy theory on top of that. What if some of those candidates that were maybe sharing a little bit of money with those companies that may have been alphabet named acronym or shadow in nature name shadow? What if those political candidates have special ops background consultant that dealt with behavioral science for a large consulting firm in has some ties to the CIA? What would you think about those? Kevin 36:48 I would think it would be a great documentary coming to Netflix. Bob 36:53 I feel like hashtag Mayor cheats bio that I just read Unknown Speaker 37:00 Yeah, that was Kevin 37:03 kind of how Cambridge I see the parallels with Cambridge Analytica, just kind of like this company just kind of out there and you just give them the right amount of money and they make things happen Scott like the fixer from Pulp Fiction. Hey, what do you need? What happened was the body Okay, we'll take care of it. You know, don't worry about it. We got it. So I very much feel is you know, Shadow ink is definitely appropriately named. Ask me. Bob 37:31 I'll also layer on some more conspiracy. Pete was the only one who went on TV and declared victory that night there were no results. Guess Guess who's in the lead? So Kevin 37:45 Mayor P. So Mayor Pete is from the great state of Indiana to wit I am broadcasting from hasn't right now. I will say that I'm not 100% sure he would actually win the state of Indiana at this point. Only because he's very localized to South Bend as far as being, you know, popular obviously being running for president has brought attention to him so we'll see. Oh, don't sugarcoat it. Bob 38:16 I'm a little shocked he won't win Indiana because he's gay. Kevin 38:21 Well, there's definitely that I mean it's Bob 38:23 no no Well, I mean to my primary my liberal Indiana friends but my conservative Indiana friends will be like Unknown Speaker 38:31 yeah Kevin 38:34 yeah, it's this is a tough state because the conservatives definitely wouldn't vote from the general election that but I don't know how it would go in the Democratic primary. You don't you might be right. Bob 38:47 I don't think maybe surprise gonna kick in there. Kevin 38:52 I have never voted in a democratic primary. So I don't even keep track. So I've barely been voted any primaries, because what's the point? Which takes me to my next point? primaries and this, I think this is for all states. They're all run by the DNC, the RNC. And it's really not government sponsored whatsoever, isn't even a real election. I know the general election is a real election, but is the primary an actual real election? You know, Bob 39:27 I think it's just a mechanism to try to try to make it look like the people's voices are heard. I don't think it's official in any way, shape or form. I think the Democratic National Committee at any point in time could change the rules for the delegate convention and, you know, put their person up, but also, that's probably a tinfoil hat as well. I don't think there's any. I don't think there's any overarching legislation of how a political organizations candidate is put forward. Kevin 39:57 So they could at any point, say okay, We're going to have our convention and the only one that can win is if your name rhymes with Bernie Sanders. Raise your hand if your name runs through, Bob 40:10 then you're out because that's the whole DNC thing. But, um, let's get back to because I think one of the things that I got the biggest chuckle out of the other day was, you know, when all else fails, blame a developer. And that's been some very interesting chatter online, too. It's like, How in the hell yeah, sure, you could point the finger but the developers not going to be the one to stop. I mean, a rare one could but like, the developer isn't the problem here. Kevin 40:43 I would hundred percent agree. We talked about this too. In the small group. developers do what they're asked really no more, no less. They do bring up challenges and like, Hey, I know you want that new feature, but I'm still working on this old features kind of buggy and heavily tested this because I don't feel Comfortable right now. And I know where all the bodies are buried, so to speak. So I think the developers just doing their job I really put this on my leadership fail at at shadowing. Firstly, and then secondly, at the DNC. So it's mostly the leaders at shadow Inc. There, hey, you're in charge of this. What is your load testing plan? What is your distribution plan? What is your we're going to be on 1700 phones of which we not sure necessarily what the mix of technology? Are they all apple? Are they all Android or that mix? Somebody's got a fucking Windows Phone out there. You know, what, what is your plan? And if this all goes to shit, have you communicated your risk assessment to the client and be like, Look, we're doing everything we can XYZ. But let's plan for fail because if you don't have a plan, you're if you fail to plan you plan to fail, right? But in the developer circles, I'm very much of the mantra that I plan for failure. What if this when I make this What if that service that I talked to dies? What am I gonna do? Yeah, Bob 42:03 but how about that? I'm sorry. It's not ready. I can't. It's not working. Ah, Kevin 42:10 well, do you really think a dev is hiding behind that going? I can't tell him it's not ready. I don't believe that because most Deb's I know go, No, I just couldn't get to that. Yeah. Or it's buggy. Bob 42:21 Or when I experience a dev tells the truth to the project manager and the project manager somehow then doesn't tell the truth to everyone else. Kevin 42:29 Yeah, you know what the most annoying thing about her is that the most annoying things about developers is they're typically very pragmatic, pessimistic and very honest. And that's not very good for sales. When we're like, No, you want to do what you want when you need that by Are you crazy? And you're right. And then when that gets put through the business filter Now, fortunately, and I Yes, I am. I am. I'm disclaiming here. I don't have that. From where I'm at, we have very good communication. And but I'm not seeing that this happened necessarily shadow ink, but I don't know it shadowing. Bob 43:10 Well, yeah. And I'm also very curious to find out like, I haven't seen a body count. Like, you know how many people are actually employed by shadowing? How many developers how big the team was? None of that. Kevin 43:23 But even if we did know that, I don't know if that would be insightful or not. Bob 43:29 Well, I think it would be interesting. Definitely, because right now I feel like it's one guy in his basement who made 60 grand. Kevin 43:38 Could be Hey, I mean, he took PR hit was Bob 43:43 his buddy is the one who lied. The guy in the basement made 20 grand the guy who lied made 40 grand, you know? Kevin 43:53 Put some I put some of this on the quiet. We've got the saying. Maybe just America, the customer is always right. Well, no, because here's why the customer has to do their own risk assessment to what if this company doesn't deliver? What if they deliver me? Shit on a shingle? What if you know what is our contingency? Has this ever been used before? Do we have a track record of this app just working to have a track record of this company providing services that are reliable, and I would have to say the DNC of Iowa, failed at their own mission? Because an app is just a tool in this situation. Bob 44:35 Yeah, but where's that gray line though, where I'm paying for something, the person that I'm buying it from, not the developer, mind you, the person I'm buying it from? The company says, we're good to go. It's packaged people can start downloading it. I mean, if I'm working for the Iowa DNC, and I don't employ any kind of internal technical resources, I have to take that vendor at their word. Kevin 45:00 So, so yes, you're right. But that goes on your risk assessment, hey, we don't have anyone that can verify these claims. So it's all about risk. And they accept that risk by not hiring somebody not having somebody on staff not not following up, because trust is very important. So Bob, let me let me put you in the hot seat. You are a business owner, and you hired a company to do an app. And then they say it works. Bob 45:26 Are you just gonna take it from Well, no, and not distribute it to 1700 users and cross my fingers and you know, hope? Kevin 45:35 As an educated IT professional yourself, you would probably say, well, let's do some user acceptance testing. Did you make what it is? I asked you to make? Let me Let's do it. Well, okay, great. How many users have you tested this on? Great, what kind of phones How does this work on? Great and if you're, you're naive, and you're like, Well, I know of Android and iOS, and I don't know what questions to ask. I think some of the best advice ever given Ever is to air quotes, hire somebody smarter than you hire somebody who does that, if you don't know, and if you're not comfortable hire somebody who does know. And if you're unwilling to do any of that, why are you willing to spend 60 grand on app that you're just going to accept them based on Bob 46:19 the blind is really weird too. Kevin 46:24 So who knows, maybe there was a bunch of back and forth, maybe with their reassurances. Maybe the DNC had somebody on staff saying, Oh, this is great. Yeah, worked Bible Latin, maybe all that maybe this was just a colossal fail. But I don't really believe that because I, I really believe if you go through all those exercises, and a lot of us don't like to go through those exercises of risk assessments and whatnot. But this is why this is definitely one of those cases where you go, yeah, I'm glad we did or Damn, we should have and this is going to be one of those where you come case studies for a long time. Bob 46:57 Let me ask you a question in your research. Did you see any screen grabs that were beyond the failed logins? Kevin 47:10 Are you saying? So you're saying? Did anyone actually get to Oh, yeah, Bob 47:14 I'm curious. I mean, obviously, in a scenario like this, you're not going to hear any, you know, victory tales where, you know, like, Hi, I'm Jane user, and I got logged in and submitted my 15 sets of numbers, and everything was just great. And I was home and in bed by nine o'clock. But you would think if you were getting some balanced reporting, you would see more than just the failed logins. But once again, based on the fact that we're still not fully counted on 1700 locations. I'm going to guess nobody got their data through. Kevin 47:52 Or if they did, I think it's potential that it's untrusted at this point. And so they may be compounding factors like well, of the Those who did get in, they didn't know how to use it. And it wasn't because of the ATMEGA calculations, because the user had no idea what to put in. So they just put in grandma's cookie recipe. Yeah. And that was, Bob 48:11 yeah, we kind of just be like, first authenticate, get logged in. Step. Next, pick candidate from list, Joe Biden. First round, enter number, second round, enter number, third round, enter percentage of delegate votes. Kevin 48:30 So all of that is user stories. And not every agency goes through the trouble of doing I had another quote that I stole from the internet and it was weeks of coding can save hours of planning. Yeah. And it's I got a good giggle on that one too. Because I think a lot of us used to or I used to go to the code, right? real quick. Oh, you need to say, oh, let me start sketching out. Bob 48:54 No, I've been pretty tactile. You know what problem it is. you're solving very tactical in my ears to me Kevin 49:01 Step one, understand the problem you're actually solving and communicate this reciprocate the problem back in your own words back to the stakeholders and get the get the acknowledgement that yes or no, that's not what we meant, you know. So I think there's huge value in there. And I think, again, this is just so much case study stuff going on there. So in order to give a positive, well, what would you have done Mr. smarty Kevin? Well, I think I would have done a dry run. Hey, everyone needs to login. Hey, Sally, you. You didn't log in the summer day. bloggie logging in, what's the deal? Because it sounded like people literally met the app. The day of Bob 49:45 right, that was, I think the earliest that I saw it was over the weekend. Like maybe it was a Friday or Thursday. And then there is another email sent out if you haven't downloaded the app. Over like maybe Saturday or Sunday. And then it was, you know, it was game time it was Monday. So, and I think they sent out an email saying that they needed to read download or something. So there's just a lot of bad planning, no testing. But I guess at the end of the day, my ultimate question is, are well, I think I know the answer this question, as a society as a nation. Are we ready for any kind of electronic, you know, voting or do we have to take it back full circle and stay with the hanging chads and the jog wheels? Kevin 50:35 So I'm laughing because it's my next bullet point. And it was yet again, another topic that came up. And it's basically the question is, is should this technology have a place in our election system? Does it and will it ever and on face value as a technologist I would say, hell yeah. Why wouldn't you want to automate this bullshit, you know, and then upon further review, I'm like, God, no, no, we need to keep this simple. Yeah. You know, let's, let's just keep it we need an audit trail. We don't need the possibility of getting hacked. We don't need the possibility of somebody you know, you know, an app not working. Can we just have old fashioned easy these pieces of paper? What do you think? Bob 51:23 I feel like I'm very much in line with you. I feel like technology. I feel like there's other parts of the world, the world that has embrace technology for their elections. Um, I just, I think we're too big. I think we're too. We're not as technologically advanced as we think we are, especially at the government level. And then when you start to bring private enterprise into it, Allah acronym and shadow Inc. Then you have an extra layer of liability there and I think we probably are. I mean, hell, I'd even go back to the Like putting rocks in a bucket. Kevin 52:04 We need integrity to be maintained in the system. This week's episode of The IOA app definitely doesn't help integrity at all. And you security like and it's kind of weird. Because to make things more secure on the web, sometimes you have to mitigate things like brute force, you know, well, if I, if I just make it so you can only try to brute force five passwords, then I lock you out, I've made it very difficult for you. Well, the harder I make it to hack the system by creating out of no air gaps, you actually have to create these pieces of paper, not just, you know, for each loop and it you know, it tallies or or just set a number in a system. It's like altering your bank account. You can't just put a million dollars in your bank account, there has to be a check and balance in the whole system. Otherwise, that's going to get flagged, boy, he don't have a million dollars just because you say you know somebody went in the database and change 2 million there has to be the debits and credits the trail Unknown Speaker 53:02 No, you just oh, Bob 53:04 I definitely offer tools you just changed the number in the front end. Kevin 53:08 Just yeah inspector take a screenshot call customer service or like hey, it says, Now I only have $1 What happened? You owe me answers. So in in Iraq and places like that, do you ever notice what they do after an election? They hold up a finger and you notice what's on their finger? They mark them, right? Unknown Speaker 53:27 Yeah, ink. Kevin 53:29 Because that ink is not easy, doesn't easily come off. So it signifies several things. It signifies that you have a church that's your Unknown Speaker 53:36 sticker in Kevin 53:39 and you can't go come back later and vote again. So that's that simple thing will prevent people from voting multiple times. No voting, you know, under different names. Now, I don't know if they like actually take their fingerprint. Yeah, like, hey, put your fingerprint on the person you want to vote for but I think that would be a great idea because it's like, Look, this is my vote. Here's who it's for, and it is very hard to fake. So, again, that's just a simple simple system. And maybe we just need to get simpler instead of more tech. Yeah. Bob 54:11 Because I mean, think about this. A, they didn't save a lick of time with this. Unknown Speaker 54:18 Be who's gonna, Bob 54:19 who's gonna be a? Alright? So this is b one and B, two, B, one who's going to be the next company to say, Hey, we won't fuck up like shadow. You know, here's, here's our better mousetrap. And then B to who's going to be the organization that takes the risk to go with an outside vendor to try to do this the right way. Like it's basically set it back probably two to five years. Is what my guess is. Kevin 54:48 So could could this resistance to technology election speed generational because our current workers are in their 60s and 70s. You know, fast forward When you and I are that age, we've never been alive at a time where our our elderly have had technology as ubiquitous as it is today. So right now the current 60s and 70 year olds, they're like, hey, VCR, that was pretty cool. And PCs, I really haven't gotten into a bucket. I can text that's the newest cool thing I can do, or this Facebook thing or whatever. But when you and I get older, in 2030 years, will have been on the bleeding edge of probably some of the smartest elderly people that have ever existed. Unknown Speaker 55:32 Our kids are that age and then it's Kevin 55:34 exactly and and it's just going to outweigh so eventually that word will turn but we're not ready for. Bob 55:41 I'm not ready for that kind of price not ready for I don't trust my digital vote. Like I wouldn't trust a digital vote for like if I if I was given a device and said I had to vote electronically. I wouldn't trust that vote. Kevin 55:56 So I want to bring up the idea of I read an academic paper on Hey, would it be cool if we issued a digital certificate to everyone so very much like an SSL cert to everyone in the country. And so instead of a social security card, you would digitally sign everything with your SSL cert. But you could also vote with it. So to the point where, hey, did my vote actually count? I'm looking at these numbers on the TV, and it says Bernie only got whatever or, or so and so only got whatever, ha, did they actually count my vote and then you'd be able to check the digital register and go Yeah, Bob 56:30 there, there is my vote and they are in ties, the ultimate flaw in the entire system. Because you're voting for representative vote, that may or may not align with your actual vote. Meaning, I don't meaning that your candidate could get the popular vote, but the delegates system decides that your vote isn't really as informed as they think it is. And they cast their stone in that other person's bucket, even though you put yours in person ones bucket. Kevin 57:08 So as cool as a system that I just described sounds, it's actually terrible. And it's terrible, because it's too Bob 57:17 well it also sounds a lot like Salafi record to Kevin 57:22 kinda, you know, that was actually on my list of, hey, maybe we should just put this on the blockchain, solve all our problems and make us breakfast and bucket. Yeah. So I think that the more clever we get with voting, the the worse of an idea it is. We need to keep it simple. And right now I'm not aware of any logistic problems with people voting through with paper or while we've had the hanging chads or disabled, we've had challenges but Unknown Speaker 57:58 we have Kevin 58:02 I would take that over a digital problem because, Bob, you want me to really wake up in the morning or if I can get you to really wake up in the morning. You know what I can send you a message Hey, Bob accidentally deleted the production database and we don't have backups. Can you help me out? There's, there's nothing I can do for you. Bob 58:24 Nothing, right in this simple fact. So any kind of electronic system we do end up migrating to is still going to have a paper backup, guaranteed. Kevin 58:35 So one of the last topics I have here, and do you have any more technology stuff, because this is less techie Bob 58:41 now? I mean, it's, it might I mean, it was a pretty cut and dried tech thing. I Kevin 58:48 I had an amazing day with co workers discussion and just the internet in general. The iOS app thing, just to be honest, was kind of a fun topic. I wouldn't say At this point hundred Bob 59:00 percent Kevin 59:02 so, so I want to get that out there. And one of the things that I learned in discussions was something called ranked choice voting. Have you ever heard of such a thing, Bob? Bob 59:12 That's the new system that they introduced in Iowa right. Kevin 59:17 It's similar to caucusing. But it It eliminates the third party spoiler. So back in the day, we had George W. Bush, we had Bill Clinton and H Ross per hour. And so as ross perot stole the republican vote, therefore gave us Bill Clinton as president because he split the vote. If you had ranked choice voting, those who you'd vote for you may rank george bush at one ross perot to Bill Clinton three or not even ranked Bill Clinton or reverse Hey, I just want Bill Clinton I don't care about the other guys. However, it's like a relegation if you came in last. Your votes go to whoever the second that's Bob 59:56 kind of the modified system for Iowa with that three rounds are the two rounds. Kevin 1:00:03 Right? The main difference, as pointed out to me is it's still anonymous. So you don't you don't hang around for three hours go, oh God, can we just pick somebody? He just say, 123. here's here's my ranked order. And then it just it's instant runoffs is is essentially what it is. And I watched a video on it, maybe I'll get it to you if you're interested. But it was I'm like, why don't we do that? Because our current system obviously favors big political parties. And if you're a third party spoiler like I don't know Gary Johnson that maybe I voted for instead of the other two. And the last you know, I don't get exactly it. I don't get the heat from the losing democrats go. Well, we got Trump because you Kevin, really? Sure. We got our Bob 1:00:48 Yeah. The delegates didn't like Hillary Oh. Kevin 1:00:53 Well, I humbly believe a society always gets the politicians it deserves nap though. voted for Bob 1:01:03 that was my head. Kevin 1:01:05 Yeah. All right. Uh, wow, we actually eat that. Good. I knew we would. All right, get any final thoughts or comments on the Iowa slash election technology ask Bob 1:01:22 us what we've really been enjoying the interactions on Twitter. It is probably the best way to reach out to us. And it's fun to have these conversations because it kind of helps us set up show content and also helps us reflect on prior shows. So please keep that up. We really appreciate it and I got nothing else. What do you got? Kevin 1:01:45 going on vacation I'm going to learn about the technology of Disney because disney world knows how to hurt people very well. electronically and I'm hoping to bend Bob 1:01:56 Bob's ear a little bit about I will contribute very little to that conversation. But I will Enjoy it all the same. So until next time, tune in to the Bob and Kevin show in about a week or so. Talk to you later. Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Summary:  Guest Ben Hammersley speaks on his take on how you need to be present today, so you can be future ready for tomorrow. Resources: Hammersley Futures Website Ben Hammersley LinkedIn Profile Diebold Nixdorf Website Transcription: Amy Lombardo:                00:14                     Hello and welcome to COMMERCE NOW, your source for  FinTech conversations and emerging trends. Today, I have the unique pleasure of talking with Ben Hammersley. He's a globe Trotter and an author an adventure seeker, and he has the most wicked handlebar mustache you've ever seen. And today he's going to give us his take on how you need to be present now so you can be future ready. Sounds easy. Right? Well wrong. Let's get Ben's thoughts. So, Hey, welcome... Ben Hammersley:            00:56                     Thank you. Such a pleasure to be on COMMERCE NOW. Amy Lombardo:                                                Oh good. Thank you for that plug. All right, so I'm not gonna be able to do you justice. So why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself? Ben Hammersley:                                            So I'm one of those annoying people that disappointed my parents over the past 20 years by not having a job, they can describe, I'm currently a futurist or is a strategic foresight person. So I run a company called Hammersley futures, and we work with corporations and with governments and some high net worth individuals to sort of help them understand the future and specifically to help them understand innovation and the methodologies behind innovation. And that has come from 10 years of doing that. But, before that I was a technology journalist and I edited wired magazine in the UK and I was a war correspondent in Afghanistan and I've done many, many things. I run a digital studio making digital things for couture houses and luxury brands. And so I have this very strange background, which has come together into this one thing which is helping people understand the nature of innovation. Amy Lombardo:                01:57                     Okay. And, and what inspires you about your work? How, did this whole being of Ben Hammersley come together? Ben Hammersley:            02:06                     I think what inspires me is sort of two fold. There's this, there's the selfish reason, which is that it enables me to be increasingly eclectic and, and taking lessons and taking influences from, from lots of different things, which is very selfish because I'm, you know, I'm fundamentally sort of unemployable and the regular day job or you know, I'm, how would you put it neuro atypical. And so, so being, having a career where I can travel a lot and taking a lot of input and then synthesize it into something else is a great privileged but also the slightly wider thing. I think the thing that really inspires me over the past couple of years is that I think we've come to a set of methodologies and an approach to our work, which is genuinely helpful for people are at as sort of a holistic level. It's helpful for them in a business point of view, but it's also, I think it's genuinely helpful for them sort of personally and that sort of pastoral care aspect to it. If that's slightly weird way of putting it. Yeah, Amy Lombardo:                03:13                     no, that's a unique identifier. Yeah. Ben Hammersley:            03:16                     Is actually is very satisfying because, because I get a lot of people coming to me immediately after I get off stage routes out of a meeting or comes to me six months later and say that thing, that approach really changed the way that that I think and it's made my life or my business or you know, whatever it is that they're particularly interested in has made it better. And that's, that's incredibly satisfying. So that's, so I get to, I get to go away and be weird, which is, which is helpful and I, and I get to help people, which is great. Amy Lombardo:                03:47                     All right, so we're at a banking conference here. Intersect 2020. So can you give me some examples of areas you think banks are missing the boat? You know, opportunities that they can be capitalizing on. Ben Hammersley:            04:08                     So I, I think actually that question really highlights the difference between my approach and, and other futurists or other technologists approaches to these things, which is that I don't think there is a boat as it were or a collection of, of large boats that people are missing or not missing. It's very easy and I am very typical of the sorts of conferences and not just banking conferences but any, any industry conference to say, ah, you know, if you are not paying attention to, you know, subject X or if you're not paying attention to new technology Y then you are than you are falling behind and you're missing the boat as you say. And that's almost universally bullshit to be honest. In the vast majority of those conferences. And the vast majority of those subjects very specifically are things which are overblown and misunderstood and probably aren't at least right now relevant to the, to the individuals in the audience. Ben Hammersley:            05:12                     So instead of thinking about the world as in terms of innovation boats that you can get on or not, and if you don't get on them, then you're going to be left behind to continue the imagery. Instead, what I try and teach people is to, is to look at the boat and see if it's something that is suitable for their business in the context of their business. Okay. So another way of looking at this is that the vast majority of futurism that I do, where I, in terms of when people ask me directly, you know, what are the new technologies that we should be paying attention to? Almost all of those technologies aren't things that don't exist yet. They're technologies which do exist and are being used a lot, but they're being used in another place. Okay. And so in a lot of industries you can be very, very innovative literally just by being up to date. Ben Hammersley:            06:02                     Right? Banking in the U S is a good example of that. In that, in that if you compare banking in the U S too, as specifically consumer banking, if you, if you compare consumer banking in the U S to consumer banking elsewhere on the planet, you could very easily innovate massively radically for the U S just by being about five years behind Europe or you know, or 10 years behind China, right? Like if you really wanted it to be up to date, just big, just go and do what the Chinese are doing 10 years ago. Those sorts of things. So there is, there is a saying that William Gibson, the science fiction writer said that that the future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed. And that I think is very true. But, but all of these or this sort of talking around this highlights the thing that I like to talk about, which is that innovation is not a step change to a new future that everybody agrees on. Ben Hammersley:            06:54                     Instead, it's a methodology of continuous improvement based on your own personal context and the context of your business. And that takes, that looks at those new technologies. It looks at those big boats as you say and says this, the suitable for us is does this, you know, yes, this is getting the front covers of the economist and everybody's very excited about it or whatever. But it isn't necessarily the thing that our customers are most likely to benefit from the most or our business will benefit from the most. And so what do we teach you is a much more holistic and continuous practice of continual mindful attention giving innovation on a daily basis rather than going, everybody needs to be on the blockchain or we're all dead. Amy Lombardo:                07:41                     Right? You know, you have this unique thinking on this concept of being present or recognizing what is right around you and you have to be able to capitalize on that before you can look ahead and you maybe unpack that a little bit for me and just give a little more examples. Ben Hammersley:            07:58                     Sure. Maybe like some concrete examples of what you see in your business. Sure. So, so let's start actually from the beginning of the talk I just gave, which is that because of the exponential rate of change that we have at this time on the 21st century and rate of change in everything. And you know, as I as I said on stage that that technology and society and culture and business are all interlinked in a fundamental way. When one changes then all the others change in the olden days. So 20 years ago, 30 years ago, technology was, was this specifically technology was the sort of layer on top of business. So you have business and then you have the technology that comes in and makes it a little bit more efficient. Right? Like this fancy bolt-on. Yeah, exactly. And you know, fancy precisely that. And, and the, the CIO of the business or the CIO. Ben Hammersley:            08:48                     So the business was probably not even on the board. It's probably one level down at the same level as say the, you know, the facilities manager, something like that. Whereas today, specifically in, in data-driven businesses and financial services and banking are perfect example of that. Your business is what you do with your data and what you do with the data is fundamentally technologically driven and so everything is tied back to the technology, but that technology is so intertwined with the rest of the world that everything changes. Everything else, everything is as a codependent uprising and everything changed. When one thing changes, everything else changes because technology itself changes at an exponential rate because of phenomenon like Moore's law, which is this phenomenon that for roughly the same price every year, you can fit twice as many components onto an integrated circuit, which means that again, speaking roughly every year, computers get twice as powerful for the same price or the same power computer harms in price roughly every year. Ben Hammersley:            09:47                     Because of that exponential growth and because exponential growth is itself incredibly difficult for human beings to comprehend because technology grows like that, the rest of the world changes at the same rate and therefore for a futurist like myself, making strategic forecasts, saying what the world's going to be like in 10 years time, I am completely lying, right? I'm just making shit up at that point because it's impossible to do so. And I think we only have to look back over the past three or four years or certainly the past decade and see how society has changed in the past decade or the last 11 years since the launch of the iPhone to today in every aspect of of human endeavor, whether you're talking about business or culture or society or politics or everything, all of that is now utterly unrecognizable compared to where it was 10 years ago. So if I come up to you and say, Hey, this is what the future of banking is going to be like in 10 years time, I'm [inaudible], I'm just making things up and I might be right. Ben Hammersley:            10:39                     In which case in 10 years time you'll think I'm a genius, but I'm not going to be right. Right. And nobody's going to be right. And so if we, if you start from the basis, the fundamental basis that, that, that five year plans or 10 year plans are just wrong, then there has to be another way of living your life. There must be another way of actually doing your job if you're a member of the leadership team of a, of a bank. If your job, what to be on the board is to guide this organization into the future. And yet it is structurally impossible for you to predict what the future is going to be like, then you're going to need another way of doing it, right? And so what we came down to in terms of our work is that that other way of doing things is doing it as a continuous process one day at a time. Ben Hammersley:            11:24                     And this isn't necessarily new. In fact it's, it's something that was in manufacturing. For example, Toyota invented the Toyota system in the 50s and, and that's what made Toyota. And in a cultural and religious context, you have a lots of people's spiritual practices, which are about continuous improvement. And you have lots of physical practices like yoga for example, where you can't win yoga, right? There's no end game of yoga, but it's a practice that you do every day and you get better at it, but you're always going to get back. You know, it's something you just do unless you're doing very yoga or wine yoga. Well indeed, but that, that, that does actually that's Dan, it [inaudible] other than that magnificent sounding activity, there's, you have to be in the States. This is what we do. It's exactly that. Goat yoga [inaudible] get tired after awhile. This is the thing. Ben Hammersley:            12:19                     But the thing of the thing about all these prints is that they're continuous practices. And so we try and look at what would it, what does it mean if innovation is a continuous practice rather than a continuous [inaudible] gentle practice rather than a kind of violence every five years we take on the, the, the new technology and an upgrade to it or half upgrade to it because everyone's confused by it, which is the standard Silicon Valley model of innovation, which is every five years they invent a new thing and everyone goes around and stands on stage and says, if you want us embracing this new thing, then you're all going to die. And so whether it's blockchain or the cloud or big data or AI or whatever it is, and of course those things aren't, that's AIDS, it's just not true. But it's also just not a sustainable method of innovation. Ben Hammersley:            13:09                     Right? Yeah. So, so I try and help people do that gradually. And so then the question is how do you do it gradually? And to do it gradually, you have to do it by really asking quite fundamental questions about what it is you do on a daily basis ordinarily and why you're doing them and who you're doing them for and who you're doing them with and how best can you serve those people or how best can you structure your teams or structure your internal processes so that you can put yourself in a position where you can better serve those people. And that involves things like employing more cognitively diverse teams. So you guys as many ideas and as much as much sort of empathy within your organization as you can. It means talking to your customers a lot more. It means paying attention to all of the processes you do and asking yourself on a, on a daily basis, why aren't we doing this in this way? Ben Hammersley:            14:08                     Because a lot of the things that many companies do, I've done that way because somebody decided and then that person left and nobody can remember why, but that's way the way they've always done it. And so now that that approach is actually much more uncomfortable than doing the same thing for five years. And then having somebody turn up and say, Hey, now you need to do the blockchain thing. Or Hey, no, he needs to do the AI thing. It's much less comfortable in that everybody fit many people. And I think most people actually through human nature kind of prefer to just sit around doing the same thing and then just to be told what's due next. It's much more complex and much more uncomfortable to be continuously, continuously asking, am I doing the right thing and what am I, what am I? Yes, and what am I assumptions. Ben Hammersley:            14:56                     Yeah, exactly. But it's also, it's a daily practice of what am I, what assumptions we make. Eating is what we thought we were doing is the concepts that we had 12 months ago. Are they still true? And asking yourself these fundamental questions. But if you do that, if you do that practice, then very rapidly you bring yourself as an individual and your team and your organization right up to the cutting edge of today. And once you're there and it's become a habit to be there, then the future takes care of itself. And in the vast majority of industries, just being up to date pots, you in the top three and in many industries that puts you into the top one. Because most companies, you know, when it's 2019 you know, in the world it's like 2002 inside the organization. Yeah. Yes. And if you just bring your organization right up to 2019 and you know precisely what it is that you're doing and who you're doing it for and what they want and what you, what you can provide and all of those sorts of things. Ben Hammersley:            15:57                     And you get there by asking these quite difficult questions and making these sort of mindfulness practices as it were. If you can get yourself up to that level, then you're profoundly well positioned in a way that all of your robots won't be. So one last question for you. Sure. And you're probably not gonna like me for this question because you just can't predict the future. But I have to ask this question because I want to get a different perspective. Sure. Because you are not a banker. So what do you think the future of cash looks like? So my personal assistant is Chinese and she was on holiday for the past two weeks and she just came back and she went back to her family in China and going Joe. And she was, she was telling me about this a couple of days, you know, a couple of days ago at time about the whole day, you know how it went. Ben Hammersley:            16:47                     And she was saying that not only did she never see any cash like physical cash throughout the whole trip, but also she never saw any credit cards either. And this came to the head when she tried to pay for it. She went out for lunch with her brother and she got her wallet out and she'd got her physical credit card out and her brother started laughing at her and she, and she was like, why are you laughing? You may and he lifted up the tablecloth on the table and other than this tablecloth under the glass tabletop was a QR code and he'd already paid the bill by scanning the QR code on the tabletop with the, with WeChat, which is the dominant app in China. And so in China it's, it's incredibly rare to leave the house with any form of wallet or credit card and certainly with any cash now this changes many things. Ben Hammersley:            17:38                     It changes fashion, right? Because you only need one pocket, which is the pocket for your phone. You don't really need a handbag apart from other things. Right. But you don't need a purse, you don't need things for carrying money cause it's all on your phone and everybody from market store holders to beggars in the street to the Chanel boutique, take the same payment platform, which is through your phone. That's one possible future. Okay. Yeah. And in some places I can see that becoming, you know, 100% in China and some bits of the U S I can see that being 95% of your day at this if not we chat. But something like Apple pay and contact lists, you know from my, I bought loads of things this morning and bought it with my watch, you know, of through Venmo. Exactly. All of those go out. You just pay each other that way. Ben Hammersley:            18:25                     Precisely. And you and you know, and certainly in the UK where I'm originally from contact lists, Apple pay, whatever you want to call it, is pretty much universal everywhere. However, you know, I live in Brooklyn and or on planes or in hotels or in corporate headquarters. And for me to live my life cashless solely through, you know, Apple pay and or my sort of platinum Amex or something is totally doable and perfectly, perfectly understandable future. But whilst my assistant was on holiday, I was moving house from Los Angeles to Brooklyn and I drove across the U S and I drove through the Southern States of the U S and certainly that pigeon forge Tennessee goes cashless will be a good 10 years after Brooklyn, New York or Venice beach, California where I'm sure, and so when you have a conference like, like this for example, which where the audiences are bankers but they're, but they like regional and local bankers as well as like your, the mental image you have, when I say the word bankers, right? Ben Hammersley:            19:30                     Those guys, their version of innovation around something like cash or payments or something is going to be different and will be just as innovative, but it won't be the grand myth of a capitalist society that say the cashless society vendors are putting forward. Yeah, right. Yeah. But it will be a bit, it'll be the dominant thing in their region that they correctly work for that work for that thing. Micro society. That's right. Yeah. And then Mike, Chris is, it might be 10 million people. It might be 100 million pieces. Okay, that's fine. And so we'll see. And this is, this has been the same everywhere. You know, if you look at M-Pesa, for example in Kenya, that's been a mobile cash solution that's been there for 1520 years and has been as a major part of their economy. And then you have things like local cash systems where we, a friend of mine again lives in Kenya and is currently doing it, setting up her own currency for a local, for a region. Ben Hammersley:            20:26                     Oh wow. And there's quite a few of these around the world where it's physical cash, you know, it's real, the real bank notes, you know, and they're only accepted within that community. And so it keeps economic flow going around the community. And so they're not dollar rich or shillings rich or whatever, you know the Kenyan currency is, but the rich and the local, you know the economic movement hat. Yup. Yup. And again, that's now that's also a solution to the question about what, what does society, what does cash look like? Because that invites you to ask the question of what is cash in the first place and why do we have cash and what is it for and what is the definition of a, of a healthy economy in T? Is it the number on a spreadsheet or is it the movement of money? Is it the fluidity of money rather than this rather than a, a stock somewhere living in a bank account or not moving. Ben Hammersley:            21:19                     And any economist who's gotten past the first year will tell you that that is the flow of money. That's the important thing, not the stock of money. And so cash is a pretty good thing to flow around. And so again, the reason I'm being like giving you five different answers, the question is because there are a million different answers to that question or around that every different context and the why is organizations will look at their context of their marketplaces and if they're small organizations will go well here in this place with this group. And when I've spoken to my customers, they've expressed what they want to do and I'm providing them the solution to the thing they want to do. And it turns out the best solution, the thing we want to do is QR codes or the best solution is our own local currency or the best solution is more ITMs. Ben Hammersley:            22:06                     And again, this taps into is not a technological thing. It's always a social thing. So having moved from the UK to the U S five years ago, the instant thing that I noticed is the 3% on a bad day, 1% on a good day, you know, surcharge to all ATM withdrawals, right? That's illegal in Europe. Literally illegal. Right? And so one of the features of cash will be, it won't cost anything for me to get cash, for example, because that's because that's a 3% tax on being poor. And in terms of social inequality, that's unacceptable actually. You know what I mean? Spot-on. So, so will you, do you only get to that realization when you start to question actually what is this for? Right. The same thing for, for contact lists, I have the, the Apple cart from Apple and from a product design point of view, the whole process of applying for receiving, activating, using the Apple card, both a digital thing on my watch and on my phone and as a physical artifact when they shipped me the actual metal card, the product design of that, the service designer that is in is astounding. It's, it's a good 10 years ahead of everybody else, right? In the U S beautiful. There's a process, and I've used it a lot today to buy coffee and things, but that's not the future of payments because the future of payments cannot depend on somebody owning a thousand dollar device in their pocket. Right. The future of payments has to include like my five-year-old you turned five two days ago and is now getting an allowance. She gets 50 cents a week because my wife is stingy. Ben Hammersley:            23:52                     Earn that 50 well yes, and she has chores to do it. Exactly, but she's not going to have a cashless. If I went to her and said like, yes, I'm going to, I'm going to credit your contact list. You know I'm credit. You're in contact with that physicality, right? Yeah. And she can't park. There are no gumball machines that we'll take. We'll take like Apple pay and gumball machines. That's right. And gumball machines is her big thing right now. And so she's obsessed. And so like for her the best payment solutions is coins, whereas for the nation, the penny makes no sense. Right. For example. Right. And for the user, the U S bank notes are a disaster. They're all the same size and color. Somebody used to redesign those, but now, and I think we're good there [inaudible] it's like it's an impossible question, right. Ben Hammersley:            24:50                     Which is why I sort of blooded a path it for what photo booth but to come to this solution. But to answer that question, you have to answer it as an individual and the [inaudible] for an individual and for the companies that services individuals, you can come through, you can come to an answer. It won't be the same as the guy down the street or the person in the one state along. And certainly it won't be one person's four States along any other direction. But for your 100 million people it will be perfect. I think this is a good place. Ben Hammersley:            25:18                     Do we have any other impossible solutions? Disposable problems? No. Unless you've got something else up your sleeve, you think fun there. No, I mean, well other than I think this can be an interest. One of the interesting questions as well, once you start these new technologies come along, they do invite people to rethink the fundamental nature of the transaction. Yeah. And once you start to rethink the fundamental nature of the transaction, you then start thinking, well, why am I doing this transaction with this company? And so there are organizations out there and I think the Apple card is the obvious first one of these where if I was a bank I will be terrified that organization deciding to offer those services and this is what we saw in China with WeChat and the other equivalents, but not necessarily with cash accounts like you know consumer banking. Ben Hammersley:            26:10                     But something like insurance. Amazon knows everything I have in my house because I basically bought most of it from Amazon. So why I don't have my rental insurance around Amazon is literally a thing that puzzles me on a weekly basis because they could offer it to me immediately. They know, you know, they know where I live, they know about your other thing, right. They know the value of my stuff. They know the end and they also know from that they know all the demographic information they have. I have a 1516 year purchase history with them internationally. I have all of my banking details like they know the risk and everything from all the demographics or there's this thing they could underwrite that trivially will be easy for them. Amazon doing household insurance. I know Facebook has a banking license in Europe. I think the next big thing coming along down the line will be people just going, well I gave all my money to Apple anyway or to to T mode or bottle. Ben Hammersley:            27:06                     I don't have that much savings. You know I only have a few hundred dollars in like in the cotton account, you know my checking account anyway, I never write checks. I'll just hold a positive balance with T mobile and I'll just close down my bank of America account, something like that. And it's from an individual person point of view for the vast majority of people will make no difference whatsoever. That's really, I think any of my true regulatory approval because of that. It might not happen here, but it will certainly happen in other places as it has as it does in China. Amy Lombardo:                27:36                     Cool. Well thank you for sitting down with me today. This was fun. I feel like I could talk to you for hours. You want to do one more plug for me for COMMERCE NOW. Oh beautiful. Alright, follow him at, @Ben Hammersley and stay tuned for more episodes on COMMERCE NOW.  

För ett liv i musikens tjänst. Som en poet eller alkemist omvandlar hon ljud till skulpturer. Som första kvinnliga tonsättare någonsin får Rebecca Saunders det som kallas Musikens Nobelpris, Ernst von Siemens Musikpreis på 250 000 Euros. Hon föddes i London men lever sedan många år i Berlin och får priset för ett liv i musikens tjänst. "Som en poet eller alkemist omvandlar hon ljud till skulpturer. Hennes intelligenta, intuitiva musik har stränghet, genialt berättande, listig humor och explosiv energi." Rebecca Saunders verklista innehåller drygt 70 verk: solostycken, duostycken, trios, kammarmusik, orkesterstycken. För henne är rummen, det arkitektoniska och spatiala, oerhört viktigt och musikerna är ofta utplacerade på olika platser när verken framförs. Hon känner instrumenten utan och innan och deras klangfärg och tonart/pitch betyder allt. Mekaniska misstag i t ex en oboe, då ljudet spricker upp i två toner, kallar Rebecca Saunders en dyad, ett ackord av två toner. Hon älskar sådana "biprodukter" och använder sig av dem i sina kompositioner. Hennes verk chroma, för upp till 16 musiker, finns i 20 olika versioner, uppförda i olika länder. Stycket spelas två gånger vid varje konserttillfälle och till instrumentationen hör upp till 270 speldosor. Rebecca Saunders senaste stora orkesterverk har titeln Yes, efter det sista ordet i Molly Blooms inre monolog i romanen Odysseus av irländske författaren James Joyce. I Yes använder Rebecca Saunders en fulltalig Ensemble Musikfabrik från Köln. Sammanlagt 19 solister samt sopran och dirigent, som spelar slagverk, reciterar och sjunger text. Instrumentet ackordion är ett måste för Rebecca Saunders. -Utan ackordion kan jag inte skriva musik! Det finns något  förunderligt med ackordion. Instrumentet är mångsidigt och känslomässigt: mycket subtilt och extremt kraftfullt. Ackordion kan uttrycka en djup melankoli men kan också vara både iskallt och distanserat. Saunders har varit professor i komposition vid Hannover University of Music, Theatre and Media och undervisar regelbundet vid Darmstadts sommarkurser och vid Impuls Academy i Graz i Österrike. Hon är medlem i Berlin Academy of Arts och Sachsen Academy of Arts i Dresden. Här är en helt färsk och gedigen verklista: https://www.editionpeters.com/resources/0001/writers/pdf/Saunders_worklist_17_Jan_2019.pdf Vi möter även tonsättaren Malin Bång och dirigenten Rei Munakata som med ensemblen Curious Champer Players har arbetat med Rebecca Saunders och hennes musik. Bland annat vid Stockholm New Music Festival på Musikaliska på Nybrokajen i Stockholm då Saunders chroma IV uppfördes. Malin Bång: Det som inspirerade mig från början var den här väldigt dynamiska kraften i Rebecca Saunders musik och de stora kontrasterna mellan det ganska ruffa och det väldigt sköra och svaga. Det blir en stor relief i musiken och hon var intresserad av det rumsliga redan då, fast det sker inne i instrumentationen på något vis. Rei Munakata: Det var mycket intressant att arbeta med Rebecca Saunders. Hon är fast beslutsam och vet exakt hur hon vill ha det i dessa komplicerade musikstycken. Det mest intressanta är att hon känner instrumenten mycket bra. Hon använder instrumentet på ett mycket färgstarkt sätt för att skapa olika nyanser. Manus, regi och produktion: Birgitta Tollan som mötte Rebecca Saunders inför prisutdelningen i hennes studio i Prenzlauer Berg i Berlin. Spellista: Stirrings Still Rebecca Saunders Ensemble Musikfabrik, Köln Skin Rebecca Saunders Juliet Fraser, sopran Ensemble Modern Vimbayi Kazibon, dirigent Live av BBC Skin Rebecca Saunders Juliet Fraser, sopran Ensemble Modern Vimbayi Kazibon, dirigent Live av BBC Blaauw for double-bell trumpet Rebecca Saunders Marco Blaauw, trumpet Miniata Rebecca Saunders Teodoro Anzellotti, ackordio Hans Zender, dirigent Southwest German Radio Symphony Orchestra Solitude Rebecca Saunders Severine Ballon, cello To And Fro Rebecca Saunders Hannah Weirich, violin Peter Veale, oboe chroma IX Rebecca Saunders Ensemble Contrechamp chroma IX Rebecca Saunders Ensemble Contrechamp Yes Rebecca Saunders Juliet Fraser, sopran Ensemble Musikfabrik, Köln Enno Poppe, dirigent

För ett liv i musikens tjänst. Som en poet eller alkemist omvandlar hon ljud till skulpturer. Som första kvinnliga tonsättare någonsin får Rebecca Saunders det som kallas Musikens Nobelpris, Ernst von Siemens Musikpreis på 250 000 Euros. Hon föddes i London men lever sedan många år i Berlin och får priset för ett liv i musikens tjänst. "Som en poet eller alkemist omvandlar hon ljud till skulpturer. Hennes intelligenta, intuitiva musik har stränghet, genialt berättande, listig humor och explosiv energi." Rebecca Saunders verklista innehåller drygt 70 verk: solostycken, duostycken, trios, kammarmusik, orkesterstycken. För henne är rummen, det arkitektoniska och spatiala, oerhört viktigt och musikerna är ofta utplacerade på olika platser när verken framförs. Hon känner instrumenten utan och innan och deras klangfärg och tonart/pitch betyder allt. Mekaniska misstag i t ex en oboe, då ljudet spricker upp i två toner, kallar Rebecca Saunders en dyad, ett ackord av två toner. Hon älskar sådana "biprodukter" och använder sig av dem i sina kompositioner. Hennes verk chroma, för upp till 16 musiker, finns i 20 olika versioner, uppförda i olika länder. Stycket spelas två gånger vid varje konserttillfälle och till instrumentationen hör upp till 270 speldosor. Rebecca Saunders senaste stora orkesterverk har titeln Yes, efter det sista ordet i Molly Blooms inre monolog i romanen Odysseus av irländske författaren James Joyce. I Yes använder Rebecca Saunders en fulltalig Ensemble Musikfabrik från Köln. Sammanlagt 19 solister samt sopran och dirigent, som spelar slagverk, reciterar och sjunger text. Instrumentet ackordion är ett måste för Rebecca Saunders. -Utan ackordion kan jag inte skriva musik! Det finns något  förunderligt med ackordion. Instrumentet är mångsidigt och känslomässigt: mycket subtilt och extremt kraftfullt. Ackordion kan uttrycka en djup melankoli men kan också vara både iskallt och distanserat. Saunders har varit professor i komposition vid Hannover University of Music, Theatre and Media och undervisar regelbundet vid Darmstadts sommarkurser och vid Impuls Academy i Graz i Österrike. Hon är medlem i Berlin Academy of Arts och Sachsen Academy of Arts i Dresden. Här är en helt färsk och gedigen verklista: https://www.editionpeters.com/resources/0001/writers/pdf/Saunders_worklist_17_Jan_2019.pdf Vi möter även tonsättaren Malin Bång och dirigenten Rei Munakata som med ensemblen Curious Champer Players har arbetat med Rebecca Saunders och hennes musik. Bland annat vid Stockholm New Music Festival på Musikaliska på Nybrokajen i Stockholm då Saudners chroma IV uppfördes. Malin Bång: Det som inspirerade mig från början var den här väldigt dynamiska kraften i Rebecca Saunders musik och de stora kontrasterna mellan det ganska ruffa och det väldigt sköra och svaga. Det blir en väldig relief i musiken och hon var intresserad av det rumsliga redan då, fast det sker inne i instrumentationen på något vis. Rei Munakata: Det var mycket intressant att arbeta med Rebecca Saunders. Hon är fast beslutsam och vet exakt hur hon vill ha det i dessa komplicerade musikstycken. Det mest intressanta är att hon känner instrumenten mycket bra. Hon använder instrumentet på ett mycket färgstarkt sätt för att skapa olika nyanser. Manus, regi och produktion: Birgitta Tollan som mötte Rebecca Saunders inför prisutdelningen i hennes studio i Prenzlauer Berg i Berlin.

Website: https://www.danu5ik.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Danu5ik Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4AwxzReMvU6AFLt8UlCRPi Instagram: http://instagram.com/danu5ik/ YouTube: http://youtube.com/c/danu5ikvevo Twitter: https://twitter.com/ddanu 01.Hoved - Never Really Liked You (Extended Mix) 02.Mason ft. Shingai Shoniwa - Bang Bang (Kimik Remix) 03.Matt Sharratt - Need To Know (Extended Mix) 04.Kevin McKay Alaia & Gallo - Come Together (Extended Mix) 05.Mismatch ft. Jasmine Knight - Fallen (Alternative Mix) 06.Moss Kena - Be Mine (Joe Goddard Remix) 07.Lea Rue - Watching You (Gaillard Remix) 08.Majestic - I Wanna Be Down (Original Mix) 09.Martin Badder - One Night (Original Mix) 10.Jamala - Solo (Steve Mac Remix) 11.Keelie Walker - This Is What Its Like (OFFSet Extended Remix) 12.Jake Chec - Give Me Your Love (Original Mix) 13.IYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (Jared Martson Extended Mix) 14.Mr. Belt & Wezol Jack Wins - One Thing (Extended Mix) 15.Robinson - Karma (Alpharock x Devan Remix) 16.StoneBridge ft. DiscoVer. - Not Alone (Extended Mix) This show is syndicated & distributed exclusively by Syndicast. If you are a radio station interested in airing the show or would like to distribute your podcast / radio show please register here: https://syndicast.co.uk/distribution/registration

Website: https://www.danu5ik.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Danu5ik Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4AwxzReMvU6AFLt8UlCRPi Instagram: http://instagram.com/danu5ik/ YouTube: http://youtube.com/c/danu5ikvevo Twitter: https://twitter.com/ddanu 01.Hoved - Never Really Liked You (Extended Mix) 02.Mason ft. Shingai Shoniwa - Bang Bang (Kimik Remix) 03.Matt Sharratt - Need To Know (Extended Mix) 04.Kevin McKay Alaia & Gallo - Come Together (Extended Mix) 05.Mismatch ft. Jasmine Knight - Fallen (Alternative Mix) 06.Moss Kena - Be Mine (Joe Goddard Remix) 07.Lea Rue - Watching You (Gaillard Remix) 08.Majestic - I Wanna Be Down (Original Mix) 09.Martin Badder - One Night (Original Mix) 10.Jamala - Solo (Steve Mac Remix) 11.Keelie Walker - This Is What Its Like (OFFSet Extended Remix) 12.Jake Chec - Give Me Your Love (Original Mix) 13.IYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (Jared Martson Extended Mix) 14.Mr. Belt & Wezol Jack Wins - One Thing (Extended Mix) 15.Robinson - Karma (Alpharock x Devan Remix) 16.StoneBridge ft. DiscoVer. - Not Alone (Extended Mix) This show is syndicated & distributed exclusively by Syndicast. If you are a radio station interested in airing the show or would like to distribute your podcast / radio show please register here: https://syndicast.co.uk/distribution/registration

Swishcraft Radio Episode #370 1. Lee Dagger & Courtney Harrell - So Lost Hearted (Luca Debonaire Remix) 2. Nathassia - Goddess (Rich B & Phil Marriott Extended Mix) 3. DJ Rose, Dina van Diest - Keep On Moving (Original Mix) 4. DJ Dan, The Eagle - Funk All Stars (Leandro Da Silva Remix) 5. Dario G - Savour The Miracle (5&Dime Club Mix) 6. Luca Debonaire, Tony Ruiz - Turn Up (Original Mix) 7. Antoine Clamaran, Agua Sin Gas - Nobody (Original Mix) 8. Marc Palacios, DJ Kone - Push The Feeling On (Block & Crown Remix) 9. Tom Budin - Under Control (Extended Mix) 10. Bleona - I Don't Need Your Love (StoneBridge Epic Extended Mix) 11. Gattison- Picture Perfect (StoneBridge L'Ille Soleil Extended Remix) 12. IYES & Ryan Riback- This Feeling (StoneBridge & Damien Hall Epic Extended Remix) 13. Zedd & Katy Perry - 365 (Matt Consola & Aaron Altemose Rip City Boys Mix) 14. SeanFinn & Corona - The Rhythm Of The Night (Extended Mix)

1. Mahalo x DLMT - So Cold ft. Lily Denning 2. Just Us - Fever 3. Robby East & Ken Takano - I Want Your Soul 4. Sigma & Thandi Phoenix - Say It 5. IYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (Teo Mandrelli Remix) 6. Loe - Sucker For U 7. George Ezra - Pretty Shining People (Jack Wins Remix) 8. Bazzflow & Jarah Damiel - Something More (feat. Tara Louise) 9. Bob Sinclar feat. Robbie Williams - Electrico Romantico (Burak Yeter Extended Remix) 10. Marc Reason - In My Head (Will Fast Remix) 11. Alice Chater - Thief (Thomas Gold Remix) 12. Lauv & Troye Sivan - I'm So Tired (Keanu Silva Remix) 13. Grey feat. Leon - Want You Back (Dropgun Remix) 14. Zookeper - Watch Me 15. Loud Luxury x anders - Love No More (BROHUG Extended Remix) 16. Juacko - TIK TOK 17. Tom Novy feat. Michael Marschall - Your Body (TUJAMO & Lady Bee Remix) 18. NO SIGNE - Let's Get Widdey 19. NuKid - Sudden feat. Moeazy 20. BROHUG - Dust 21. Jackal - Ice feat. Karra

1. Mahalo x DLMT - So Cold ft. Lily Denning 2. Just Us - Fever 3. Robby East & Ken Takano - I Want Your Soul 4. Sigma & Thandi Phoenix - Say It 5. IYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (Teo Mandrelli Remix) 6. Loe - Sucker For U 7. George Ezra - Pretty Shining People (Jack Wins Remix) 8. Bazzflow & Jarah Damiel - Something More (feat. Tara Louise) 9. Bob Sinclar feat. Robbie Williams - Electrico Romantico (Burak Yeter Extended Remix) 10. Marc Reason - In My Head (Will Fast Remix) 11. Alice Chater - Thief (Thomas Gold Remix) 12. Lauv & Troye Sivan - I'm So Tired (Keanu Silva Remix) 13. Grey feat. Leon - Want You Back (Dropgun Remix) 14. Zookeper - Watch Me 15. Loud Luxury x anders - Love No More (BROHUG Extended Remix) 16. Juacko - TIK TOK 17. Tom Novy feat. Michael Marschall - Your Body (TUJAMO & Lady Bee Remix) 18. NO SIGNE - Let's Get Widdey 19. NuKid - Sudden feat. Moeazy 20. BROHUG - Dust 21. Jackal - Ice feat. Karra

Continuing with the fresher direction I've been taking EDM Dance-Club series, Party Favorz is back just in time for your Spring Break party fun! This features all the latest dance hits, with bootlegs, mashups and old favorites reworked for the newer generation of club-goers.  There a good mix of EDM, House, Deep House, Future House, and NuDisco to keep things interesting. All tracks were handpicked by me to ensure high octane and maximum fun! In an important sidenote — Party Favorz host renewal plan is coming up faster than I anticipated. It actually needs to be renewed on April 4th.  Consequently, now is the time for donations to cover my costs to continue this podcast for the remainder of the year. It would be nice if all the backbenchers got off the sidelines and donated at least $5 to help keep this site afloat. I'm counting on you folks to make it happen. I've already personally covered the costs of the new theme and redesign of the site earlier this year — so it's on you to keep things up and running. I'll be back tomorrow with part two of Spring Break 2019. Until then...ENJOY! Album: Spring Break 2019 v1 Genre: House, Future House, Deep House, EDM, NuDisco Year: 2019 Total Time: 02:03:54 1. Dua Lipa - Swan Song (Country Club Martini Crew Remix) 2. Calum Scott - No Matter What (Goldhouse Extended) 3. DJs From Mars - Gam Gam (Bimbo Jones Vegas Groove Club Remix) 4. Sean Finn & Corona - The Rhythm Of The Night (Extended Mix) 5. Jen Raina - Skip A Beat (Wideboys Club Mix) 6. IYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (Cristian Poow Club Remix) 7. Blue Ivy - Last Time (Scotty Boy & Luca Deboniare Club Remix) 8. Jade Starling - Fired Up (Block & Crown Remix) 9. LMFAO - Sexy & I Know It (Birds Remix) 10. Loud Luxury & Anders - Love No More (Fedde Le Grand Extended) 11. Martin Garrix vs. Haddaway - What Is Love Byte (Party732 Mashup) 12. Fisher x Kathy Brown - Turn Me Out x I'm Losing It (TAJ x David Winnel 'For The Win' Bootleg) 13. Zedd & Katy Perry - 365 (Andrew Marks vs. Charlie Lane There For You Edit) 14. LIVVIA - Damn (Kue Remix Extended) 15. Galantis feat. OneRepublic - Bones (B-Sights Remix) 16. Gesaffelstein feat. The Weeknd - Lost In The Fire (Kue Remix) 17. Cystal Waters - Gypsy Woman (Lo Cutz Bootleg) 18. Lizzo - Juice (John J-C Carr and Bill Coleman Fresh Squeezed Mix) 19. Panic! At The Disco! vs. Timmy Trumpet & Kastra feat. Chuck Roberts - High Hopes (Andrew Marks Wassup Edit) 20. Yolanda Be Cool - Dance and Chant (Tommie Sunshine Slatin Remix) 21. Hardwell feat. Conor Maynard & Snoop Dogg - How You Love Me (Thomas Gold Remix) 22. C-Rod feat. Brendan Ohara - Stay (The Watchmen Massive Club Mix) 23. Belinda Carlisle vs. Avicii - Heaven Levels (Myll S Mashup) 24. Diana Ross - The Boss (Dirty Werk Extended Club Mix) 25. Ariana Grande - Break Up With Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored (Division 4 & Matt Consola Remix) 26. Calvin Harris & Disciples - How Deep Is Your Love (SteDeeKay Bootleg) 27. Laroussi - Lost (Cristian Poow Remix) 28. Marshall Jefferson - Move Your Body (twoDB Remix) 29. Vassy - Concrete Heart (Lewis Extended) 30. Tom Walker - Just You and I (Paul Woolford Remix)

Continuing with the fresher direction I've been taking EDM Dance-Club series, Party Favorz is back just in time for your Spring Break party fun! This features all the latest dance hits, with bootlegs, mashups and old favorites reworked for the newer generation of club-goers.  There a good mix of EDM, House, Deep House, Future House, and NuDisco to keep things interesting. All tracks were handpicked by me to ensure high octane and maximum fun! In an important sidenote — Party Favorz host renewal plan is coming up faster than I anticipated. It actually needs to be renewed on April 4th.  Consequently, now is the time for donations to cover my costs to continue this podcast for the remainder of the year. It would be nice if all the backbenchers got off the sidelines and donated at least $5 to help keep this site afloat. I'm counting on you folks to make it happen. I've already personally covered the costs of the new theme and redesign of the site earlier this year — so it's on you to keep things up and running. I'll be back tomorrow with part two of Spring Break 2019. Until then...ENJOY! Album: Spring Break 2019 v1 Genre: House, Future House, Deep House, EDM, NuDisco Year: 2019 Total Time: 02:03:54 1. Dua Lipa - Swan Song (Country Club Martini Crew Remix) 2. Calum Scott - No Matter What (Goldhouse Extended) 3. DJs From Mars - Gam Gam (Bimbo Jones Vegas Groove Club Remix) 4. Sean Finn & Corona - The Rhythm Of The Night (Extended Mix) 5. Jen Raina - Skip A Beat (Wideboys Club Mix) 6. IYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (Cristian Poow Club Remix) 7. Blue Ivy - Last Time (Scotty Boy & Luca Deboniare Club Remix) 8. Jade Starling - Fired Up (Block & Crown Remix) 9. LMFAO - Sexy & I Know It (Birds Remix) 10. Loud Luxury & Anders - Love No More (Fedde Le Grand Extended) 11. Martin Garrix vs. Haddaway - What Is Love Byte (Party732 Mashup) 12. Fisher x Kathy Brown - Turn Me Out x I'm Losing It (TAJ x David Winnel 'For The Win' Bootleg) 13. Zedd & Katy Perry - 365 (Andrew Marks vs. Charlie Lane There For You Edit) 14. LIVVIA - Damn (Kue Remix Extended) 15. Galantis feat. OneRepublic - Bones (B-Sights Remix) 16. Gesaffelstein feat. The Weeknd - Lost In The Fire (Kue Remix) 17. Cystal Waters - Gypsy Woman (Lo Cutz Bootleg) 18. Lizzo - Juice (John J-C Carr and Bill Coleman Fresh Squeezed Mix) 19. Panic! At The Disco! vs. Timmy Trumpet & Kastra feat. Chuck Roberts - High Hopes (Andrew Marks Wassup Edit) 20. Yolanda Be Cool - Dance and Chant (Tommie Sunshine Slatin Remix) 21. Hardwell feat. Conor Maynard & Snoop Dogg - How You Love Me (Thomas Gold Remix) 22. C-Rod feat. Brendan Ohara - Stay (The Watchmen Massive Club Mix) 23. Belinda Carlisle vs. Avicii - Heaven Levels (Myll S Mashup) 24. Diana Ross - The Boss (Dirty Werk Extended Club Mix) 25. Ariana Grande - Break Up With Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored (Division 4 & Matt Consola Remix) 26. Calvin Harris & Disciples - How Deep Is Your Love (SteDeeKay Bootleg) 27. Laroussi - Lost (Cristian Poow Remix) 28. Marshall Jefferson - Move Your Body (twoDB Remix) 29. Vassy - Concrete Heart (Lewis Extended) 30. Tom Walker - Just You and I (Paul Woolford Remix)

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The StoneBridge Show #171 Alphalove - Down By The River (Extended Mix)/Thrive-CapitolMike Dem & Ricky Castelli - Flashing Light (Club Mix)/PP MusicIYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (StoneBridge & Damien Hall Extended Mix)/RadikalMax Mayson - Tellin' Me (Original Mix)/GoldfireMark F Angelo - Sing (Hiisak Extended Mix)/EgoDido - Give You Up (Mark Knight Extended Remix)/BMG Nicola Fasano & Dual Beat - Macaco Mata el Toro (Club Mix)/PornostarMorgan Page ft Pex L - Gone My Way (Extended Mix)/ArmadaOliver Nelson & Tobtok ft Liv Dawson - Yellow [OffSet Remix]/NeonKeelie Walker - This Is What It's Like (PBH & Jack Shizzle Extended Remix)/2220Bob Sinclar ft Robbie Williams - Electrico Romantico (Bob Sinclar & Rayven & Valexx Disco Mix)/ArmadaCalvin Harris ft Rag n Bone Man - Giant (Audien Extended Remix)/ColumbiaKue - Going Home (Extended Mix)/418 MusicRay Guell - Don't Wanna Cry (StoneBridge & Damien Hall Extended Anthem Mix)/RadikalJordan Magro - The Way It Is (Extended Mix)/TintedLoud Luxury x anders - Love No More (Fedde Le Grand Extended Remix)/ArmadaKue - With You (Extended Mix)/Farmacy

The StoneBridge Show #170 Dave Winnel - One Thing (Otosan Remix)/TMRW MusicFort Arkansas - Touch Your Body (Original Club Mix)/Enormous TunesJust Kiddin ft Effie - There For You (Extended Mix)/XVII Music GroupMorgan Page ft Pex L - Gone My Way (Extended Mix)/ArmadaMax Styler ft Elanese - Animal [Extended Mix]/Dim MakJack Back - Survivor (Extended Mix)/DefectedCalvin Harris ft Rag n Bone Man - Giant (Audien Extended Remix)/ColumbiaKue - Going Home (Extended Mix)/418 MusicOliver Heldens ft Shungudzo - Fire In My Soul (Leandro Da Silva Remix)/RCAAnton Liss - It's True (Original Club Mix)/No DefinitionLoud Luxury x anders - Love No More (Fedde Le Grand Extended Remix)/ArmadaHigh N Wild - Strong (Original Club Mix) /S2Liam Keegan ft Kelsey Mousley - I Should Have Cheated (Slim Tim's Classic House Remix)/418 MusicIYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (StoneBridge & Damien Hall Extended Mix)/RadikalYan Cloud - I Wanna Show You (Original Mix)/Which BottleCharlie Lane - There For You (Extended Mix)/Dee Vu

Ash Wednesday - Three Words of Truth, March 6, 2019 Is it I?Yes, it is I whom God calls to repentance.Yes, it is I for whom the Savior willingly goes.Pastor Timothy Patoka

Swishcraft Radio Episode #369 1. IYES & Ryan Riback- This Feeling (Bimbo Jones Extended Remix) 2. Ariana Grande - break up with your girlfriend, i'm bored (Division 4 & Matt Consola Remix) 3. Dua Lipa - Swan Song (Dirty Disco Mainroom Remix) 4. Kesha - Tik Tok (Division 4 Extended Mix) 5. Sam Smith - Dancing With a Stranger (Division 4 Remix) 6. Lizzo - Juice (John J-C Carr and Bill Coleman Fresh Squeezed Mix) 7. Zedd & Katy Perry - 365 (Matt Consola & Aaron Altemose Rip City Boys Mix) 8. Jess Glynn - Hold My Hand (Division 4 & Matt Consola Private Mix 2) 9. Pink - Just Like Fire (Division 4 Remix 2019) 10. Katherine Ellis & Testone - Perfect (Matt Consola & Aaron Altemose Remix) 11. Zedd, A Cara, Y Yahel, A Ramos - Stay (André Grossi 'Oh My Love' Mashup) 12. Carley Rae Jepsen - Party For One (Hector Fonseca, Thiago Dukky & Blacklow Remix) 13. Fugees - Ready Or Not (Roberto Ferrari & Dani Toro Remix)

Play Pause Support the PodcastDownloadShare var srp_player_params_677258c044e36 = {"title":"","store_title_text":"","albums":[],"hide_artwork":"true","sticky_player":"true","show_album_market":0,"show_track_market":"true","hide_timeline":0,"player_layout":"skin_boxed_tracklist","orderby":"date","order":"DESC","hide_album_title":"true","hide_album_subtitle":"true","hide_player_title":"true","hide_track_title":"true","show_publish_date":"false","show_skip_bt":"false","show_volume_bt":"false","show_speed_bt":"false","show_shuffle_bt":"false","use_play_label":"true","use_play_label_with_icon":"true","progressbar_inline":"true","spectro":"","hide_progressbar":"true","main_settings":"||"} var srp_player_params_args_677258c044e36 = {"before_widget":"","after_widget":"","before_title":"","after_title":"","widget_id":"arbitrary-instance-677258c044e36"} if(typeof setIronAudioplayers !== "undefined"){ setIronAudioplayers("arbitrary-instance-677258c044e36"); } I thought I'd throw out this unexpected surprise several days early. Electric Dreams is a compilation of the biggest Dance-Club tracks at the moment along with some reworked pop classics from decades past. The end result is truly a wet dream of some of the finest house music to come out in a long time. What's nice about these tracks is that most of them come in a variety of flavors from Future House, Funky House, Electro House, and straight-up House that my options were nearly limitless. I took the variety option and mixed it up to keep it interesting. You can expect alternate versions of some of these songs on future compilations. Until the next time...ENJOY! The original version of  "Grapevine" by Tiesto has been replaced with "Grapevine" by Tiesto vs. Marvin Gaye remixed by Scene Kings. Album: Electric DreamsGenre: Future House, Funky House, EDMYear: 2019Total Time: 02:31:25 1. Ariana Grande - 7 Rings (Division 4 & Matt Consola Remix) 2. Breanna Rubio feat. Tyga - Turn Me Up (Riddler House Remix) 3. Post Malone - Wow (Nathan C Remix) 4. The Outfield - Your Love (Chachi Remix) 5. The Terri Green Light Project - Night To Remember (Bruno Verdugo Extended Mix) 6. Calvin Harris & Rag N Bone Man - Giant (Mark Jay Remix) 7. Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho (Morgan Page Remix) 8. Halsey - Without Me (Danny Dove Remix) 9. Jay Pryor - Make Luv (Extended Mix) 10. Dua Lipa - Swan Song (Liam Keegan Remix) 11. Ellie Goulding & Diplo feat. Swae Lee - Close To Me (Charlie Lane Remix) 12. Nelly Furtado - Say It Right 2019 (Jamie Williams Remix) 13. Keanu Silva - King Of My Castle (Don Diablo Edit) 14. Tiesto vs. Marvin Gaye - Grapevine (The Scene Kings Vocal Edit) 15. Ashlee Keating - Hurt Me So Good (Country Club Martini Crew Bass Remix) 16. DJs From Mars - Gam Gam (MARAUD3R Remix) 17. Panic At The Disco - High Hopes (Don Diablo Remix) 18. DD Foxx - Need Your Love Tonight (Kue Remix) 19. NOTD & Felix Jaehn feat Georgia Ku & Captain Cuts - So Close (Drama Remix) 20. Mark Ronson & Miley Cyrus - Nothing Breaks Like A Heart (Division 4 & Matt Consola Remix) 21. IYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (Bimbo Jones Extended Remix) 22. Harper Starling - Boy Problems (Moto Blanco Extended Remix) 23. Nikki Vianna - Done (Cutmore & Wilson Extended Mix) 24. Maggie Rogers - Light On (Pink Panda Extended) 25. Janet Jackson - That's the Way Love Goes (Division 4 Extended Mix) 26. Bay Ledges - Wherever You Sleep (KNAPPY Club Mix) 27. Foster the People - Worst Nites (Barry Harris Club Mix) 28. Lizzo - Juice (Barry Harris Club Mix) 29. Teyana Taylor - WTP (Tommie Sunshine & SLATIN Remix) 30. Ten Ven - Just About (Kideko Remix) 31. Red Hot Chili Peppers - By The Way (Charlie Lane Remix) 32.

I thought I'd throw out this unexpected surprise several days early. Electric Dreams is a compilation of the biggest Dance-Club tracks at the moment along with some re-worked pop classics from decades past. The end result is truly a wet dream of some of the finest house music to come out in a long time. What's nice about these tracks is that most of them come in a variety of flavors from Future House, Funky House, Electro House, and straight up House that my options were nearly limitless. I took the variety option and mixed it up to keep it interesting. You can expect alternate versions of some of these songs on future compilations. Until the next time...ENJOY! The original version of  "Grapevine" by Tiesto has been replaced with "Grapevine" Tiesto vs. Marvin Gaye remixed by Scene Kings. Album: Electric Dreams Genre: Future House, Funky House, EDM Year: 2019 Total Time: 02:31:25 1. Ariana Grande - 7 Rings (Division 4 & Matt Consola Remix) 2. Breanna Rubio feat. Tyga - Turn Me Up (Riddler House Remix) 3. Post Malone - Wow (Nathan C Remix) 4. The Outfield - Your Love (Chachi Remix) 5. The Terri Green Light Project - Night To Remember (Bruno Verdugo Extended Mix) 6. Calvin Harris & Rag N Bone Man - Giant (Mark Jay Remix) 7. Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho (Morgan Page Remix) 8. Halsey - Without Me (Danny Dove Remix) 9. Jay Pryor - Make Luv (Extended Mix) 10. Dua Lipa - Swan Song (Liam Keegan Remix) 11. Ellie Goulding & Diplo feat. Swae Lee - Close To Me (Charlie Lane Remix) 12. Nelly Furtado - Say It Right 2019 (Jamie Williams Remix) 13. Keanu Silva - King Of My Castle (Don Diablo Edit) 14. Tiesto vs. Marvin Gaye - Grapevine (The Scene Kings Vocal Edit) 15. Ashlee Keating - Hurt Me So Good (Country Club Martini Crew Bass Remix) 16. DJs From Mars - Gam Gam (MARAUD3R Remix) 17. Panic At The Disco - High Hopes (Don Diablo Remix) 18. DD Foxx - Need Your Love Tonight (Kue Remix) 19. NOTD & Felix Jaehn feat Georgia Ku & Captain Cuts - So Close (Drama Remix) 20. Mark Ronson & Miley Cyrus - Nothing Breaks Like A Heart (Division 4 & Matt Consola Remix) 21. IYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (Bimbo Jones Extended Remix) 22. Harper Starling - Boy Problems (Moto Blanco Extended Remix) 23. Nikki Vianna - Done (Cutmore & Wilson Extended Mix) 24. Maggie Rogers - Light On (Pink Panda Extended) 25. Janet Jackson - That's the Way Love Goes (Division 4 Extended Mix) 26. Bay Ledges - Wherever You Sleep (KNAPPY Club Mix) 27. Foster the People - Worst Nites (Barry Harris Club Mix) 28. Lizzo - Juice (Barry Harris Club Mix) 29. Teyana Taylor - WTP (Tommie Sunshine & SLATIN Remix) 30. Ten Ven - Just About (Kideko Remix) 31. Red Hot Chili Peppers - By The Way (Charlie Lane Remix) 32. Bright Lights feat. Fito Blanko - Gringa (Bright Lights VIP Remix) 33. Gryffin feat. ZOHARA - Remember (Madison Mars Extended Remix) 34. Sabrina Carpenter - Sue Me (Dave Aude Extended) 35. Bleona - I Don't Need Your Love (StoneBridge Epic Extended Mix) 36. Christine & The Queens - 5 Dollars (Nathan Jain Remix) 37. Kelly Clarkson - Heat (Kokiri Club Remix) 38. Backstreet Boys - Chances (Kat Krazy Remix) 39. Seeb x Bastille - Grip (Jay Pryor Extended Mix)

I thought I'd throw out this unexpected surprise several days early. Electric Dreams is a compilation of the biggest Dance-Club tracks at the moment along with some re-worked pop classics from decades past. The end result is truly a wet dream of some of the finest house music to come out in a long time. What's nice about these tracks is that most of them come in a variety of flavors from Future House, Funky House, Electro House, and straight up House that my options were nearly limitless. I took the variety option and mixed it up to keep it interesting. You can expect alternate versions of some of these songs on future compilations. Until the next time...ENJOY! The original version of  "Grapevine" by Tiesto has been replaced with "Grapevine" Tiesto vs. Marvin Gaye remixed by Scene Kings. Album: Electric Dreams Genre: Future House, Funky House, EDM Year: 2019 Total Time: 02:31:25 1. Ariana Grande - 7 Rings (Division 4 & Matt Consola Remix) 2. Breanna Rubio feat. Tyga - Turn Me Up (Riddler House Remix) 3. Post Malone - Wow (Nathan C Remix) 4. The Outfield - Your Love (Chachi Remix) 5. The Terri Green Light Project - Night To Remember (Bruno Verdugo Extended Mix) 6. Calvin Harris & Rag N Bone Man - Giant (Mark Jay Remix) 7. Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho (Morgan Page Remix) 8. Halsey - Without Me (Danny Dove Remix) 9. Jay Pryor - Make Luv (Extended Mix) 10. Dua Lipa - Swan Song (Liam Keegan Remix) 11. Ellie Goulding & Diplo feat. Swae Lee - Close To Me (Charlie Lane Remix) 12. Nelly Furtado - Say It Right 2019 (Jamie Williams Remix) 13. Keanu Silva - King Of My Castle (Don Diablo Edit) 14. Tiesto vs. Marvin Gaye - Grapevine (The Scene Kings Vocal Edit) 15. Ashlee Keating - Hurt Me So Good (Country Club Martini Crew Bass Remix) 16. DJs From Mars - Gam Gam (MARAUD3R Remix) 17. Panic At The Disco - High Hopes (Don Diablo Remix) 18. DD Foxx - Need Your Love Tonight (Kue Remix) 19. NOTD & Felix Jaehn feat Georgia Ku & Captain Cuts - So Close (Drama Remix) 20. Mark Ronson & Miley Cyrus - Nothing Breaks Like A Heart (Division 4 & Matt Consola Remix) 21. IYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (Bimbo Jones Extended Remix) 22. Harper Starling - Boy Problems (Moto Blanco Extended Remix) 23. Nikki Vianna - Done (Cutmore & Wilson Extended Mix) 24. Maggie Rogers - Light On (Pink Panda Extended) 25. Janet Jackson - That's the Way Love Goes (Division 4 Extended Mix) 26. Bay Ledges - Wherever You Sleep (KNAPPY Club Mix) 27. Foster the People - Worst Nites (Barry Harris Club Mix) 28. Lizzo - Juice (Barry Harris Club Mix) 29. Teyana Taylor - WTP (Tommie Sunshine & SLATIN Remix) 30. Ten Ven - Just About (Kideko Remix) 31. Red Hot Chili Peppers - By The Way (Charlie Lane Remix) 32. Bright Lights feat. Fito Blanko - Gringa (Bright Lights VIP Remix) 33. Gryffin feat. ZOHARA - Remember (Madison Mars Extended Remix) 34. Sabrina Carpenter - Sue Me (Dave Aude Extended) 35. Bleona - I Don't Need Your Love (StoneBridge Epic Extended Mix) 36. Christine & The Queens - 5 Dollars (Nathan Jain Remix) 37. Kelly Clarkson - Heat (Kokiri Club Remix) 38. Backstreet Boys - Chances (Kat Krazy Remix) 39. Seeb x Bastille - Grip (Jay Pryor Extended Mix)

The StoneBridge Show #167Joe Stone - Bug a Boo (Extended Mix)/SpinninNicola Zucchi - WoW (Extended Mix)/EgoCalvin Harris & Rag'n'Bone Man - Giant (eSQUIRE Remix)/WhiteOliver Heldens ft Shungudzo - Fire In My Soul (Leandro Da Silva Remix)/RCABleona - I Don't Need Your Love (StoneBridge Epic Extended Mix)/418 MusicKygo & Sandro Cavazza - Happy Now (R3HAB Remix)/SonyArno Cost & Norman Doray - Together (Extended Mix)/PositivaJack Wins ft Amy Grace - Forever Young (Extended Mix)/AxtoneAbel Ramos - Higher (Original Mix)/Armada Inner City - Pennies From Heaven (Paul Morrell Remix)/WhiteCharlie Lane - There For You (Extended Mix)/Dee VuIYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (StoneBridge & Damien Hall Extended Mix)/RadikalYan Cloud - I Wanna Show You (Original Mix)/Which BottleSultan + Shepard - American Dream/Armada Darlin Michael - Darlin Michael/White Joel Corry ft Hayley May - Fallen (Just Kiddin Remix) [Extended Mix](Positiva

The StoneBridge Show #166 Sons Of Maria - Love Is (Extended Mix)/Enormous Chills Gattison - Picture Perfect (StoneBridge L'Ille Soleil Extended Mix)/418 MusicFaderX - Awakening (Extended Mix)/Future House MusicIYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (StoneBridge & Damien Hall Extended Mix)/RadikalCharlie Lane - There For You (Extended Mix)/Dee VuDJ Antoine ft Eric Zayne & Jimmi The Dealer - Loved Me Once (Thomas Gold)/HouseworksYolanda Be Cool - Dance And Chant (Extended)/Robbins EntRobinson - Karma (CliQ Remix)/Ministry of SoundDavid Jager - Marchese (Extended Mix)/Check InLulleaux & Melsen ft Twan Ray - Fallin' (Black Waves Remix)/Be YourselfMike Ferullo - Don't Believe Your Eyes (Extended)/TazmaniaSammy Porter ft Liv Dawson - Talking Like Friends (Extended Mix)/Speakerbox-InsanityAlice Chater - Thief (Dm Slides Extended Remix)/Virgin-EMITelussa & Tijssen - You! (Original Mix)/Vamos MusicMike 'Agent X' Clark & Angel-A - Believe (Planktom Remix)/Sense TraxxArty - Save Me Tonight (Extended Mix)/Armada

Свежий выпуск радиошоу с новинками клубной музыки. В середине часа рубрика "Золотая эра транса". В конце рубрика "Заевшая пластинка". Слушайте шоу на радио LumixFM в сб в 14:00. И на радио ОК в Рязани на частоте 107.2 fm каждое воскресенье в 22:00. Public VK: vk.com/steelyga_premium_selection Instagram: instagram.com/steelyga_shop Bananastreet: bananastreet.ru/steelygapremiu… Спонсор: Наушники JBL Everest 300 shopsgreat.ru/jbl-everest1new/… Хэштеги: #steelyga #steelyga_premium_selection #stpresel180 01:49 Alok & Timmy Trumpet – Metaphor 05:25 Darren Porter & Ram feat. Natalie Gioia - One Million Seconds 08:32 Disco Killerz feat. Delaney Jane & Sarah Charness - Beautiful Life (Gattuso Remix) 12:09 Faydee - Away (Robert Cristian Remix) 15:36 IYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (StoneBridge & Damien Hall Epic Mix) 19:22 Kyau & Albert & Jeza - Make It Home Tonight (Suncatcher Remix Edit) 23:43 Luke Bond feat. Sara Skinner - Right Now 27:21 Nicky Romero vs. Trilane & Kokaholla feat. Quarterback - Bittersweet (Justin Prime Remix) 30:45 Рубрика «Золотая эра транса» Ronski Speed with Stoneface & Terminal – Soulseeker 38:33 Notaker feat. Karra - Into The Light 41:58 Phillip J feat. Kim Casandra - Footprints In The Sand 45:26 Sterkol - My Own Way 48:39 Swanky Tunes – Virus 51:48 Tony Zampa - Dance Now (Radio Edit) 56:07 Рубрика «Заевшая пластинка» Wolfpack & Eastblock Bitches - Apache Anthem

Свежий выпуск радиошоу с новинками клубной музыки. В середине часа рубрика "Золотая эра транса". В конце рубрика "Заевшая пластинка". Слушайте шоу на радио LumixFM в сб в 14:00. И на радио ОК в Рязани на частоте 107.2 fm каждое воскресенье в 22:00. Public VK: vk.com/steelyga_premium_selection Instagram: instagram.com/steelyga_shop Bananastreet: bananastreet.ru/steelygapremiu… Спонсор: Наушники JBL Everest 300 shopsgreat.ru/jbl-everest1new/… Хэштеги: #steelyga #steelyga_premium_selection #stpresel180 01:49 Alok & Timmy Trumpet – Metaphor 05:25 Darren Porter & Ram feat. Natalie Gioia - One Million Seconds 08:32 Disco Killerz feat. Delaney Jane & Sarah Charness - Beautiful Life (Gattuso Remix) 12:09 Faydee - Away (Robert Cristian Remix) 15:36 IYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (StoneBridge & Damien Hall Epic Mix) 19:22 Kyau & Albert & Jeza - Make It Home Tonight (Suncatcher Remix Edit) 23:43 Luke Bond feat. Sara Skinner - Right Now 27:21 Nicky Romero vs. Trilane & Kokaholla feat. Quarterback - Bittersweet (Justin Prime Remix) 30:45 Рубрика «Золотая эра транса» Ronski Speed with Stoneface & Terminal – Soulseeker 38:33 Notaker feat. Karra - Into The Light 41:58 Phillip J feat. Kim Casandra - Footprints In The Sand 45:26 Sterkol - My Own Way 48:39 Swanky Tunes – Virus 51:48 Tony Zampa - Dance Now (Radio Edit) 56:07 Рубрика «Заевшая пластинка» Wolfpack & Eastblock Bitches - Apache Anthem

The StoneBridge Show #164Maff Boothroyd & Jordan Kelvin James - Body Mind Soul [Extended Mix]/Somn'thingCrush Club - Trust (Supermini Extended Mix)/Another RhythmJust Kiddin - Come Together/XVII HIgh N Wild ft Norell - The One (Original Club Mix)/S2Adam K & Soha - Need To Feel Loved (Extended Mix)/ArmadaIYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (StoneBridge & Damien Hall Extended Mix)/RadikalBen DJ - Back & Gucci (Shake It Up) (Club Mix)/EgoBrooks ft Zoe Moss - Limbo (Joe Stone Extended Remix)/Virgin-EMIJenn Raina - Riot (StoneBridge Extended Classic Mix)/LighthouseDaddy's Groove & Bottai ft Mingue - Free (Boris Smith Extended Remix)/ArmadaJack Back - (It Happens) Sometimes (David Penn Extended Remix)/DefectedTiggi Hawke - Alibi (Sebastian Perez Extended Remix)/Humble AngelHelvetic Nerds - Feel It For You (Original Club Mix)/SirupLuca Debonaire & DJ Marlon - For You (Original Mix)/Which BottleLulleaux & Melsen ft Twan Ray - Fallin' (Black Waves Remix)/Be Yourself  

The StoneBridge Show #163   Just Kiddin - Come Together/XVII Adam K & Soha - Need To Feel Loved (Extended Mix)/Armada Luca Debonaire & Lukas Newbert - Strangers (Original Mix)/Which Bottle IYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (StoneBridge & Damien Hall Extended Mix)/Radikal Park & Sons ft Nathan Nicholson - Icarus (To The Sun) (Extended Mix)/Parks & Sons Le Funnk ft Klaudia - Gonna Shine (SAMO Remix)/Miss Moneypenny's Luigii Nieto - Sexy/Let There Be House DJ Elenoir - Maracana (Original Mix)/Total Freedom Jack Back - (It Happens) Sometimes (Extended Mix)/Defected Weiss - Feel My Needs (eSQUIRE Bootleg Remix)/White Fadi Awad ft Addie Nicole - Reach The Sky (StoneBridge & Damien Hall Extended Epic Mix)/Proconwire EDX - Who Cares (Original Club Mix)/Sirup Clean Bandit ft Jess Glyne - Rather Be (Michael Anthony Mix)/White Charming Horses - King Of My Castle (Extended Mix)/Nitron-Sony Bleona - I Don't Need Your Love (StoneBridge Epic Extended Mix)/418 Music

Свежий выпуск радиошоу с новинками клубной музыки. В середине часа рубрика "Золотая эра транса". В конце рубрика "Заевшая пластинка". Слушайте шоу на радио LumixFM в сб в 14:00. И на радио ОК в Рязани на частоте 107.2 fm каждое воскресенье в 22:00. Public VK: vk.com/steelyga_premium_selection Instagram: instagram.com/steelyga_shop Bananastreet: bananastreet.ru/steelygapremiu… Спонсор: Наушники JBL Everest 300 shopsgreat.ru/jbl-everest1new/… Хэштеги: #steelyga #steelyga_premium_selection #stpresel174 01:36 Aleeze - Wide Space (Tribune Remix Edit) 05:15 Andy Moor & Somna feat. Monika Santucci - Free Fall 09:27 Atmozfears & Devin Wild feat. David Spekter – Breathe 12:30 DJ Andersen - Stuck On You (Original Mix) 17:06 Dubdogz & Jetlag Music & Duckhandz - Coming Home 20:20 IYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (Teo Mandrelli Remix) 23:48 Luca Debonaire & Lukas Newbert - Strangers (Radio Edit) 28:05 Marc Simz - Komaru (Original Mix) 32:43 Рубрика «Золотая эра транса» Paul Oakenfold - Motion 40:08 Richard Durand & Christina Novelli - The Air I Breathe 43:27 Sunmote – Sonata 47:57 Tritonal feat. MoZella - Gonna Be Alright (Man Cub Remix) 51:22 Tsili - Wanna Know (Andomalix Remix) 54:31 Рубрика «Заевшая пластинка» BLR - Masuria

Свежий выпуск радиошоу с новинками клубной музыки. В середине часа рубрика "Золотая эра транса". В конце рубрика "Заевшая пластинка". Слушайте шоу на радио LumixFM в сб в 14:00. И на радио ОК в Рязани на частоте 107.2 fm каждое воскресенье в 22:00. Public VK: vk.com/steelyga_premium_selection Instagram: instagram.com/steelyga_shop Bananastreet: bananastreet.ru/steelygapremiu… Спонсор: Наушники JBL Everest 300 shopsgreat.ru/jbl-everest1new/… Хэштеги: #steelyga #steelyga_premium_selection #stpresel174 01:36 Aleeze - Wide Space (Tribune Remix Edit) 05:15 Andy Moor & Somna feat. Monika Santucci - Free Fall 09:27 Atmozfears & Devin Wild feat. David Spekter – Breathe 12:30 DJ Andersen - Stuck On You (Original Mix) 17:06 Dubdogz & Jetlag Music & Duckhandz - Coming Home 20:20 IYES & Ryan Riback - This Feeling (Teo Mandrelli Remix) 23:48 Luca Debonaire & Lukas Newbert - Strangers (Radio Edit) 28:05 Marc Simz - Komaru (Original Mix) 32:43 Рубрика «Золотая эра транса» Paul Oakenfold - Motion 40:08 Richard Durand & Christina Novelli - The Air I Breathe 43:27 Sunmote – Sonata 47:57 Tritonal feat. MoZella - Gonna Be Alright (Man Cub Remix) 51:22 Tsili - Wanna Know (Andomalix Remix) 54:31 Рубрика «Заевшая пластинка» BLR - Masuria

In our Season 1 recap episode, we discuss the lessons we've learned over the course of the season, some of our favorite episodes, our Favorite Things, AND tease a little Season 2 content that's coming your way in 2019!Connect with us: https://linktr.ee/livingcorporateChris Price's new EP: https://itunes.apple.com/bz/album/good-evening-ep/1436626656TRANSCRIPTZach: What's up, y'all? It's Zach.Ade: And it's Ade.Zach: And you're listening to the Season 1 wrap-up. We out here.Ade: Yeah. Yeah, we sure are. So what are we gonna talk about today?Zach: Okay, so we're gonna talk about lessons learned...Ade: Aye.Zach: Some of our favorite episodes...Ade: Aye.Zach: [laughing] Okay. Favorite Things...Ade: Aye.Zach: Okay.Ade: I'm just trying to be your hype man here. Like, I really don't understand why you're taking this so hard. Let's go.Zach: It's just funny. I think maybe some of it is, like, cultural differences, right? 'Cause, like, "aye--" I don't know, "aye" is pretty common across the black diaspora.Ade: I feel like in the diaspora you say "aye," and that's, like, a cue for somebody to really--Zach: To get--to get hyper.Ade: To get hyper, yes. I wasn't--I wasn't trying to ruin the rating of our--of our show here, so.Zach: No, no, no. I mean, "aye" is cool, it's just I think--I think a southern "aye"--we can talk about this maybe another time, but I feel as if if you're in the south and you say "aye," and if you're in the--I don't know. I feel like the "ayes" mean different things. Maybe not.Ade: No, I hear you. Now that you say it, I realize that, like, "aye" can also be like, "Okay, bro. You're wilin'."Zach: Aye, yeah. Exactly. So anyway. "Aye" can also be, like, a sound of acknowledgement and appreciation, kind of like how I just did it.Ade: Right.Zach: I don't know. Black language and just--black and brown language frankly is just so deep and rich. It's really cool.Ade: I love it.Zach: Now, where were we? Oh, yes. Okay, so Favorite Things. We definitely want to give out some thank yous, right?Ade: Most definitely, most definitely.Zach: Right, right, right, and then we have a few house-cleaning administrative things that we want to talk to you about as we--as we kind of take this season break and get into season two. So with that being said, lessons learned. Ade, what are some of the--Ade: Oh, I go first?Zach: You go first. What are some of the lessons you've learned in this?Ade: Aye. Oh, they are varied, they are plenty, and some I think I'm still in the midst of learning, but I think my top three takeaways from this whole process of--you know, from ideation, which was largely you--which was mostly Zach--and coming together, building a team and growing as a collective, I think the top three things that I've learned--one is to speak up. Closed mouths do in fact never get fed. Your mouth is closed? You get no bread. See? I tried to rhyme. See? See what I did there?Zach: Bars.Ade: Something-something-something-something. But yeah, if you do not in fact speak up for yourself, and that is in every facet of your life but it's even more important in your professional spaces. If you do not speak up for yourself, if you are not your own best advocate, if you do not find yourselves in the rooms where, you know, they're making those decisions and they're making the plays that you want to be making, and if you're not actively putting yourselves in those spaces and then speaking up about what you need more to grow, what you need more to succeed, it's not--it's not gonna be a great time. A great time will not be had by all, mostly you, and the reason I think for that is because people can't read your mind. People can't help you if you are not willing to, you know, point people at the issues and the places which you could use that assistance. See what I'm saying?Zach: I so agree. I think that, you know, it's not about--and when you said, like, "Closed mouths don't get fed," it's not because there's not food there, it's just that, like, everybody else is focused on eating too. So most times, you're gonna have to open your own mouth to eat. And that whole point around just speaking up and being vocal and putting yourself into comfortable positions, putting yourself out there, is just kind of part and parcel. Like, I don't know if I've ever even seen, like, any project be successful with someone just kind of, like, waiting for everything to come to them.Ade: Right, right. What about you?Zach: I think for me the biggest--one of the biggest lessons learned is that you miss all the shots that you don't take, right? And I know that's very cliche, but it's true. We had some--we had some amazing opportunities to interview some really great guests this past season, and then also just network with a bunch of people that we didn't--that we did not interview on the show but that we shared the idea of Living Corporate with and who they were really receptive too, and we have some things coming in the future, in 2019, that we're really excited about, all because of us just putting ourselves out there. And so, you know, I'm thinking about the Lakers and, you know, LeBron, the GOAT. Yes, that's right. I said it. The GOAT.Ade: I do not disagree. At least the basketball GOAT.Zach: Okay. Yeah, no. Definitely the basketball GOAT, and he's also a super GOAT when it comes to social activism, but regardless, one of my favorite Lakers is actually Kobe, but it's not because I think he's the best Laker. I don't, but I do--what I loved about his game was the fact that he would just shoot it, man, and he would make really ill-advised shots, but his mindset was like, "Look, I'ma shoot it, and I'ma make some and I'ma miss some," and it was the--it was his lack of fear when it comes to failure, right? And I think that often times we don't really look at failure as a genuine growth and development opportunity. I think some of that is because of us as just black and brown people. Failure is not an opportunity to grow. Failure is just failure, 'cause we don't have the same privileges and access to really learn and grow from our failure. When we fail, we just fail, but I think it's important for us in this era, especially as black and brown creatives, to really embrace failing forward, and I know that Matthew Manning with Gumbo, we had him on a couple--just a couple weeks ago, he talked about that too. So yeah, that was a big one for me, and in fact--hold on. Let me not--let me not forget this. We actually got some questions in that I think would be good for us to put in our lessons in this Lessons Learned section from--Ade: Really?Zach: Yeah, from social media. We've got some people to ask us some questions.Ade: Aye.Zach: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So someone said, "What is your biggest takeaway from interviewing all of the guests on Living Corporate?" So I feel like we can kind of roll that into a Lessons Learned. What was one of your biggest takeaways from interviewing all of the guests on Living Corporate this season, Ade?Ade: Ooh. There were some amazing ones actually, and I think it's kind of like an aggregate of thoughts, but ultimately it's that you need to be intentional about your career, and I think there's a common thread that kind of ties all of these thoughts together, and I think it is that you need to be intentional. And that is not to say--well, first I want to address--before I get too distracted about answering that question I do want to address something. You were talking about the Kobe Bryant shots. We are not saying you should make ill-advised shots in your career. Don't take risks--don't let your mouth write a check that your skills cannot cash.Zach: Amen. Thank you, yes. Good cleanup on that, yes.Ade: Yeah. Like, don't get up there somewhere and be like, "Yeah, I can totally stand up this project in a week, because Living Corporate told me that I can, and I should say wild things at work." Don't do that. Do not do that, but we are saying that, especially for women, especially for black and brown women, you are so much more qualified than you give yourself credit for, and part of life is in taking the risk. If you are always prepping to be perfect, you are never, ever, ever going to take the shot. So yeah, that's take #1 in response to that. Take #2 I think is to be intentional. Part of being able to take those risks is in knowing that you've done the prep work, right? So I can't just walk in to anybody's office today and be like, "I want to be your CTO." They'll be like, "Who let this person in?" And also, "How quickly can you let her back out?" Not because they want to be cruel, but because they're being realistic.Zach: Yeah, but you're not ready.Ade: Correct, but I do know that in 20 years I am going to be somebody's CTO because I am going to be making all of the steps that I need. Or maybe CEO. We'll see.Zach: Straight up. Speak it. No, real talk.Ade: But the point is that you make all of the decisions now, you prep now, you put all of your ducks in a row essentially so that your life doesn't just happen to you, so that your career doesn't just happen to you. Many of the most successful people that I know made very intentional decisions. Like, for example--I'm gonna use my partner as an example, and I hope she doesn't get mad at me, but by our bedside table she has this framed "What do you want to be when you grow up?" sort of fill in the blanks paper, and on there she has--I think this is from when she was in fourth or fifth grade, and on there she said she wants to be a lawyer like Thurgood Marshall or Johnnie Cochran, and she ordered her steps in such a way that she ended up going to Howard University and University of Laverne, both of which were universities that both of those people attended, right? So it wasn't just that you make decisions about your life and then hope that it happens to you, it's that you work. You put in the effort. You put in all of the time and energy required to get you to those places, and yes, you will of course succeed. Well, God willing, and hopefully capitalism doesn't get in your way, but you succeed because you've thought your life through, you've thought your career through, you've thought your path through, and if what you're looking for is an escape plan, you've thought that through as well so that you're not suffering on the other side of it, if that makes any sense.Zach: No, it makes a lot of sense, and, you know, to your point, it definitely was oversimplification with the Kobe analogy and--like, that was a really, really good cleanup, Shaq. That was great because you--yes.Ade: You're totally welcome.Zach: No, it was--no, it was dope. Because it's funny, in saying that what we also dismiss or rather what we ignore or underplay in that shooting our shot with getting some of the guests that we were able to get, and we're just more than honored and excited about the guests that we have for y'all for season two, is the fact that we spent hours upon hours and weeks upon weeks as a team in really, like, clarifying our mission, our purpose, getting our branding together, our language, the logo work. Like, there was a lot, and there is a lot that goes behind this very, you know, perhaps to a lot of y'all just, like, very simple, like, straight-forward show and concept, and it took time to, like, really build those things, and so there was a lot of preparation that went into it. So before I put an email together to send to DeRay or Beto O'Rourke or J Prince or, you know, a CEO or whoever it may be, there was a lot of things that we had that we could stand on to justify why I'm in this person's inbox or why I'm in this person's DMs. Now I'm gonna sound like I'm actually a Kobe stan, and I'm really not, but really to kind of go back to my initial analogy, Kobe didn't just show up at the game and just shoot those to us seemingly crazy shots. Like, he put up thousands of shots before and after every game, and in practice he's shooting thousands of these shots. He's practicing these shots. So when it's game time, literally when it's game time, and he pulls up a fadeaway over, like, three people, like, to us it looks like he just randomly threw it up, but no, like, he's been practicing that, and so--and actually, kind of to answer the question--kind of to go back to what you were talking about and kind of answering this question that was submitted to us, one of the biggest things I learned from our guests was that a lot of times we'll see--like, we see the glory, but we don't know the story, right? So, like, we see people who are like, "Man--oh, I work with HBO." Like, we spoke with Emily Miethner, who is the CEO of FindSpark, and she was like, "Yeah, we had a partnership," and she named all of these huge brands, but, like, if you just dig, like, a second deeper, you'll find out she's been doing this for, like, a decade. Like, FindSpark is blowing up now, but it's been years in the making of her building this. The same thing like when you talk to Janet Pope, who's the leader of diversity and inclusion and social responsibility for Capgemini, which is a global consulting firm--you know, you'll talk to her. You may see her in France or see her all around the world doing some really fancy stuff, but, like, her career is 12 years in the making, right? There's a lot of work that goes behind that. So yeah, no, for sure on that. We have another question. The next question, which I think is a really good one, is...Ade: Aye.Zach: [laughs]Ade: I'm sorry. That's like my go-to. I don't even think about it. It just, like--the "aye" is from--it's from my soul. It, like, spawns directly from...Zach: [laughs] No, no, no. It's good. I like it. So "What is in store for the next season and when can we expect you back?"Ade: Oh, wow. I mean, listen to this episode. Listen all the way to the end. You'll have some answers by the time the episode ends.Zach: For sure. No, for sure. Definitely listen to this episode, listen to it all the way to the end. Don't fast forward to the end 'cause, like, we kind of need the clicks. Like, we definitely want the download data, but, I mean, if you want to fast forward to the end, I mean, I'm not mad at you, but...Ade: And also it hurts my feelings when people skip past me, so.Zach: Who skips past--who skips past you?Ade: Well--so I'm a small person. Okay, [inaudible]--Zach: Oh, I see. Go ahead.Ade: Ooh.Zach: [laughs] No, it's just that it came together quickly when you said that. You were saying literally.Ade: No, no, no. You agreed to that way too quickly. Now I kind of want to fight. What? Wow.Zach: [laughs] Go ahead with your story. Go ahead. I'm listening.Ade: Okay. So I was at a bar, and I ordered a whiskey ginger. I think I actually ordered a Manhattan. No, an old-fashioned. Whatever. A whiskey-based drink, as is my custom, and the bartender just kept giving my drink to other people. I'm, like, watching him, and he walks past me, walks past me again with my drink, 'cause I saw him make it. It was a whiskey ginger. And then he just walks to one end of the bar, gives a person my drink. The first time it happened I was like, "Hm. Maybe--I don't know. Maybe they also ordered a whiskey ginger," but it happened, like, three times. Three. So I essentially was like, "All right, look. I will climb over this bar and fight you if necessary, but I'm gonna need my drink."Zach: Goodness.Ade: So I, like, start jumping up and waving at him, and he's like, "Oh, I didn't see you there." What? What?Zach: Come on. [laughs]Ade: What?Zach: No, no, no. But, like, real talk though. Like, size privilege is a thing, right? Like, there are certain privileges that come from being tall and from being thin. There's certain privileges, you know what I mean?Ade: You know there is. Absolutely.Zach: So that's real. Like, that's super real, and I can say that, like, this is an opportunity for me to practice empathy and not sympathy, 'cause I can't really relate to that.Ade: [laughs]Zach: Right? I can't, 'cause I'm always seen, you know what I mean? Like, you're not gonna not see me. Even if you try to--let's say, you know, you're trying to practice micro-aggressions and act like I'm not there. Like, you're not--like, you can't. You'll look silly. Like, I'ma get in your way. You're gonna have to acknowledge me. So that's real, but no, I was just curious. I mean, I would say that more than a few people have pulled me aside and been like, "Hey, your co-host is great." Like, [inaudible], so I didn't know what you meant about getting passed over.Ade: Aye.Zach: [laughs] Yo, so this is what we're gonna do for season two. I'ma tell you what's coming up in season two, it's making me taking that "aye" as a sound bite and putting it on that soundboard, and we'll just play that.Ade: I am tired of [inaudible].Zach: It's ridiculous. Okay. So yeah, definitely listen. We're gonna talk a little bit about season two at the end and what's coming up just after this episode, 'cause we have some things happening after this season one wrap-up episode.Ade: Sure are.Zach: Yep, but what I--what I will say is, you know, please in season two expect--I don't know. I mean, I don't want to say a bit more personality 'cause I do feel as if we showed our personality a lot in season one, but, you know, it was our first season. Like, we're learning our platform. Ade and I did not know each other before we started Living Corporate, so we're certainly learning and growing as just friends in our relationship, so expect more of that, and also expect even more courageous and, like, really intentional content around underrepresented individuals and people groups in Corporate America. Like, I'll even give you an example.Ade: You are giving away the whole ending of the show.Zach: I know. Let me just--I'ma hold off on it, but we have some really great, like, topics that I'm really excited about because the point of this space is to have real talk in a corporate world, right? Like, corporate spaces. Even when you talk about inclusion and diversity, like, it's always masked with, like, other things, right? So, like, diversity of thought, diversity of education, diversity of--I'm like, "Can we be honest?" Like, "Can we just have an honest conversation about, like, intersectionality and how race and gender specifically play a role in shaping the entire planet," right? Like, can we just talk about it from a really honest and genuine perspective? Like, that's our goal. So just expect more of that in season two. When you can expect us back? You can expect us back--you can expect us back, man. We'll talk about that at the end of this episode, but you can expect us back. And maybe I'll drop a--maybe I'll drop a hint.Ade: Oh, we're doing hints now?Zach: I have a dream that you can expect us back soon.Ade: You can't be trusted with no secrets, man. Like, I just want you to know that right now.Zach: [laughs] Okay. All right, all right, all right. Let's see here now. We have one more question. Here we go. "How does one successfully transition out of the corporate world?" This is a good question, and I--you know, I'ma say this. I don't think it's fair for you and I to take this episode to try to walk through and, like, rehash some really great content that Matthew Manning of Gumbo Media and Nick Bailey of Black Texas Magazine have really done a great job at, like, expounding upon when it comes to starting a startup, transitioning from your full-time job and pursuing your dreams, like, wholeheartedly. And also Fenorris Pearson. Like, our first episode, right? He talked about transitioning out of the corporate world and getting into more non-profit work, right? So I think that there are some great episodes, and, like, this is not, like, an excuse, my back answer. Like, we definitely appreciate the question, but my biggest advice would be to go back and run those episodes back AND to look at the show notes because you have the contact information for those people, and I know who sent this question in, so I will actually circle back with them directly. And we'll make sure to--we'll put these questions and the answers, like, within the show notes within this episode, but there have been some really great episodes that we've had around that. What do you think about that question, Ade?Ade: I think, for one, we had so many amazing episodes that I connected to, that are literally just playing in the back of my head whenever I am in situations at work, that help essentially edify me, I think is the term that I'm trying to use. I'm not trying to go to church, but my top three though would have to be the mental health episode because, for all intents and purposes, I laughed my way through that episode and also connected really deeply with so many of the themes. Like, yes you want to hustle, yes you want to grind, but there's nothing to grind for if you lose your mental health in exchange for being in these spaces. And yes, these spaces often--these corporate spaces often do not have you in mind. They didn't have you in mind when they were formulating those spaces, and so now your existence in those spaces is very much revolutionary, and that said, you will often have to carry the burden of being the only, or even worse the only of onlys, in those corporate spaces, and so it 1. made me feel a lot less alone and 2. gave me a lot of very actionable advice, and so that was appreciated. Honorable mention goes to my conversation--it was a B-Side, not an episode, so I couldn't include it, but my conversation with Christa Clarke where we kind of built on that idea of what self-care looks like in corporate spaces. I think she's the first person that--maybe not the first person that I know, but the first person who was just so open about, "Yeah, I took a pay cut because it was what was best for me personally," and she's doing something that makes her happy. She has a creative space. She has everything essentially that you need to have a happy life without the stress, and so she's inspirational, and I'm still waiting to have cocktails with her. Last two. I think the Let Me In conversation with TJ, because--Zach: That was a good one, yeah.Ade: Yeah. You know, in real-time seeing someone who did precisely what I want to do with resources and having the conversations that I needed, and in a lot of ways he was inspirational because he decided he was gonna do this for the kids, you know? He was very much like, "I want to give back to my community, and this is the way that I've identified would benefit my community, but I'm not there yet," and so he took it upon himself to better himself because he knew--he (treated?) himself as a meaningful part of a whole, not necessarily making that career pivot just for himself, which was just a delight to hear. And I think the last one in my top three is Janet Pope. And again, we've had a lot of really amazing episodes, but these three spoke to me. Like, they met me where I was at sort of thing, and, you know, each and every single one of those conversations really came at a really pivotal time for me and a really important time because, for example, the conversation with TJ, it was at a time where I was particularly stressed and thinking, "You know what? Maybe tech isn't for me. Maybe I'm just not smart enough. Maybe I'm just not good enough." I was really struggling at my former place of employment, and it didn't feel like I was doing any meaningful work, and it felt like I was around places that were just becoming toxic for me, and so it was just really, really good to get these reminders, like, "Hey, it's not in your head, but you can do something about it." Like, these systems exist outside of your control, but here's your locus of control. Here's your internal--you can do this work, and having people who have done the work, who are able to distill the vastness of their experiences into "This is what I did. You can do it too," was priceless for me.Zach: Those were really good choices.Ade: Thank you.Zach: So yeah, you can definitely count B-Sides. Like, B-Sides, they're episodes, so let's make sure we count those. So after I finish mine, if you have some extras that you want to throw in there, please feel free. So favorite episodes. So the first one that sticks out to me has to be Preston Mitchum's B-Side, right? Because it was so unapologetic. Preston Mitchum, he was talking about LGBTQ identity, he was talking about pro-blackness and, like, what that looks like practically in the workplace and as someone who's in a highly political area. He lives in D.C. He's a lawyer. He's an educator. He's an activist. So that one--that one was great.Ade: Yep. All facts, no cap.Zach: All facts, no cap. Listen--so side note, shout out to all these new slang words. I realize that I'm old now 'cause I--my generation as millennials, like older millennials, right? So I'm saying older millennials. I'm 29. We don't come up with all of the dances anymore, and we don't come up with all of the slang, so no cap--Ade: Can I just say something real quick?Zach: Go ahead.Ade: The first time I heard "no cap" I thought they were talking about Captain America, and I was mad confused because I genuinely just didn't get why they were bringing up Captain America in a conversation that had nothing to do with Captain America. I was just kind of like, "Uh..."Zach: "What is "no cap?"" Right? No, I was confused, so I was like, "What is "no cap?"" So "no cap." "Say less" is also hot in these streets, "say less," and then also I've heard of tick. Like, "You got tick." Like, "You got juice," or sauce or influence. You have tick. So that was a new--Ade: You have what?Zach: Tick. Tick. Chance the Rapper--Ade: Like the animals?Zach: Yeah. Like the bug, yeah. It's like the pest. Tick.Ade: Oh, no. I just--there's some things I just can't get with, and that's gonna have to be one of them.Zach: Tick is--yeah, tick is hot in these Chicago and Midwestern streets supposedly, so...Ade: Well, keep them Chicago and Midwest streets [inaudible] because...Zach: Is it not popping in the DMV?Ade: Not only is it cold, y'all not--what? Tick? Nah, that don't even make no sense. Like, what?Zach: [laughs] Goodness gracious. So yeah, so "no cap." [laughing] Going back to the podcast favs. So yes, Preston, and another one was Effective Allyship with Amy C. Waninger. That one was great.Ade: Aye.Zach: Around the same thoughts, because Amy being a white woman, and very white, right? And, like, we talked about that on the episode, 'cause the topic was effective allyship, and she talks about effective--like, she is a very white woman in a very white space, and just her just unapologetic tone around the reality of race and gender and intersectionality, really important. I would have to piggyback on one of your answers though. The Janet Pope episode was very good. I really, really enjoyed that one, and I was excited because I was not on the episode, and I was able just to listen and hear about y'all's journey, hear about just perspectives that I don't--I don't consider, and the fact that it was three black women talking too, which I was really excited and thankful for. Oh, okay, and then so a B-Side was--Latricia and I did an episode on Botham Jean, the man who was murdered by the police in his own home, and I liked that episode because it was not in any way, like, in alignment with our formula at all. Like, it was a--it was very much so, like, a--I don't want to say pop culture, but it was a current events-type episode, and that was probably, like, the maddest y'all will ever hear me on this podcast. Let me not say it. Well, hopefully it will be the maddest you ever hear me, but it was just very frank, and actually, people at my current place of employment heard the episode and reached out to me about it, like, in a very positive and encouraging way, and it helped me extend my network somehow, which was, like, an affirmation that, like, speaking truth to power is, to me, always the right thing to do. Like, you'll never go wrong in that. Like, how you speak truth to power and your method may adjust, but you doing it is not wrong. So that's three. I really enjoyed--I really enjoyed the episode with Deborah Owens about the self-advocacy, strategic networking and self-advocacy, when she was like, "You don't have a career."Ade: Oh, wow. Yeah, I remember that. I remember that.Zach: [laughing] "I don't want to do anything to mess up my career." "Sis, you don't have a career here." Boy. Goodness.Ade: Oof. A drag.Zach: No, it was--it was very funny, and then my fifth spot is kind of actually a tie between two. One is an episode where you kept on saying the person was tugging on your wig, which was the Professional Reinvention episode with my dad, Edward Nunn. That was pretty good. I liked that episode. It was tied with the B-Side for Professional Reinvention with Angela Shaw, and she's an HR business partner, public speaker, and she's the Austin Human Resource Management Association president, right? And so I really enjoyed--really enjoyed those episodes, but, you know--I don't even want to say honorable mention. I have a ton of others. The J Prince episode, even though it scared the mess out of me, was great. That was terrifying.Ade: [laughing] I remember you talking about that episode. You were freaking out.Zach: I was freaking out. And listen, let me tell you something, y'all. Y'all go back and run that episode back. That was the shortest episode in Living Corporate history. It was very short. I think it was, like, nine minutes. And then of course the DeRay Mckesson episode was phenomenal. I enjoyed that, even though the signal was bad. I appreciate the fact that he took the time to join, and he was really cool, so. You know what time it is? We didn't have it on our last episode, so now we're gonna get into Favorite Things. And this is the last Favorite Things for season one. So, you know, Ade, you typically have, like, seven favorite things. Feel free to drop as many more--Ade: Wow. You are so disrespectful. I just--I want you to know that it is on sight for you.Zach: [laughing] This is the thing. We've got to stop using--we've got to stop using phrases from the early 2000s and late '90s that don't mean what they mean anymore. "On sight" don't mean--Ade: That is what it means.Zach: "On sight," but you don't see anybody anymore, right? Technology is in the way. Now "on sight" don't mean that. "On sight" means that when I see you're green, when you're available on Facebook, it's a problem, you know what I mean? [laughing] Like, we don't see each other like that no more. It's just technology.Ade: [inaudible]. I just want you to know that the way my spirit is moving...Zach: You're moving--you're moving in early 2000s "on sight," that's what you're saying.Ade: The energy that I retain is of DMX fame, and I just want you to know that the minute you step off your plane...Zach: And come to D.C.? It's on sight?Ade: And land in...Zach: And put my two feet on the--Ade: You don't even gotta put both feet.Zach: I'll put one toe, one toe on D.C. ground.Ade: A toenail.Zach: A toenail. It's on sight.Ade: In any of the surrounding zip codes where I reside.Zach: Goodness. In the D, the M, or the V.Ade: I will fight you.Zach: Understood, I appreciate that.Ade: All right, [inaudible]?Zach: All right.Ade: So glad we understand each other.Zach: Great. [laughs]Ade: You're ridiculous. I can't stand you. [laughs]Zach: [laughs] Oh, goodness gracious. So yes, please, Ade, commence with your cavalcade of Favorite Things.Ade: I--oh, my God. I can't keep saying that I want to fight you, but I do want to fight you. All right. Okay. So my Favorite Things--I actually don't want to go with books, and here's why I don't want to go with books. We have a list of books, and I would actually love to see if we could, like, get some listener feedback on their favorite books, but we said favorite THINGS, so I don't know. I feel like we should expand our repertoire a bit. So I have three, because I always have a lot. I'm very indecisive in that way. Top favorite thing is goat meat pepper soup.Zach: Oh, that sounds good.Ade: I am making some at the moment, and my house smells like peace, joy, and happiness, and so yeah. I'm partial, but goat meat pepper soup is the GOAT.Zach: Aye.Ade: You see what I did there? You see--you see what I did? You see?Zach: That was clever. Yeah, that was good. [laughs]Ade: And you should try goat meat pepper soup with some rice noodles. It's a delight. It's a delight. I just want to say that. Next favorite thing is Rent the Runway. Now, before I get any judgment from anybody, I just want to say I'm not gonna spend $8,000 on an Oscar de la Renta dress, but I do like Oscar de la Renta's dresses, so I'll spend $300 on renting one. Bloop. That's all I've got to say about that.Zach: Understood.Ade: Thank you for appreciating me, friend. And I think my final thing that I want to just shout out is contact lenses. Now, I just want to wax poetic for a second about contact lenses, 'cause I don't know if everybody knows, but my eyes are purely decorative. Without glasses or contacts, I can't see a thing. I literally see the world like those super out of light--out of focus lights that you see in the distance in Christmas. That's my life when I don't have any glasses or contacts on, and I just want to shout out to God for working way harder than Satan, because I can't tell you the number of bruises I've gotten just because, like, my eyes didn't see fit to notice that there was a corner there.Zach: [laughs] Man, that's real though.Ade: Or how many times I have just busted my whole behind because I didn't have contacts or glasses and missed, you know, the final three rows of stairs.Zach: Yo, that's the--that's the thing. When you miss, like, those steps, like, just one or two, you feel like--like, your life flashes before your eyes. Like, you feel you're about to die.Ade: Listen. Have you ever fallen up stairs?Zach: Trust--have I? Yes, most certainly.Ade: 1. I am disturbed to find that we are united in that experience...Zach: Most certainly.Ade: But also 2., and more importantly--oh, shoot. One second. Also, more importantly, how is it that we've managed to fall UP stairs? Like, I feel like we need to speak to somebody about this.Zach: I don't know. That's the thing though. It's us and, like, millions of other people. Like, plenty of people fall up the stairs. Like, honestly, the internet has brought of course a variety of great things, and one of the best things for me is that it really has helped me feel more comfortable in the fact that I'm a klutz. I'm really clumsy. That's why when I--that's why when I go out places, I don't even be moving around that much. I find, like, one little place to be and I kind of park there, because I know the minute that I move I'ma knock something over, I'ma bump into somebody, I'ma trip.Ade: You know what? That's a really good plan, because I certainly am gonna need something. Something, something. Maybe, like, you know, that bubble. Not, like, because I'm immuno-compromised but because, like, otherwise I'm gonna bump into everything and hurt myself. So yeah, things that you've learned about me today. I'm extremely clumsy.Zach: Most of my friends, close members in my family are very clumsy. Just clumsy. Just clumsy people, and I don't know what that's about. I've heard that there's some tie-in to people being clumsy and being intelligent though. Believe it or not I have, but, you know, that could just be junk science. You know, fake news. Who knows? Okay, so those are your Favorite Things. Hm. So my Favorite Things for the season, as our last entry into Favorite Things--I also will not do books. I too will do Things.Ade: Aye.Zach: Aye. So my first Favorite Thing has to be the music that my brother-in-law Chris Price has dropped. He actually dropped an EP, and actually you should be hearing that in the background right now. It's just dope music, and I enjoy it because it's just jazz. Like, it's light jazz via piano, and what I like about it is--so beyond, like, the music itself, which I definitely listen to. It's good study music. It's good just kind of relax music. What I really like about it, the reason why it's a Favorite Thing--Ade: (Aye?) I've really got to stop saying that. It's driving me nuts now.Zach: See? Exactly, but it's cool. It's cool, 'cause I'ma run this back, I'ma cut out that little A, and I'm gonna make that--'cause we have a soundboard for season two. I'm gonna be like--it's gonna be "aye-aye-aye-aye." We're gonna just play it to death.Ade: I will fight you.Zach: That and the air horns. That's gonna be season two sound effects staples. Okay, so anyway, back to this. So what excites me and why it's a Favorite Thing is not just because it's good music, it's because any time I see someone, like, pursue their dream or pursue something and, like, really execute upon something that they have been thinking about or, like, a passion of theirs or something they find really interesting--that excites me, right? So that's why it's a Favorite Thing. So the music that you're hearing, we'll have the information in the show description so you can check it out yourself. Make sure you check it out on iTunes and everywhere that streams music. So that's one. The second thing that's my Favorite Thing has to be, and I'm just gonna come out and say it. I'm gonna come out and say it, man. Vaseline. So Vasel--Ade: What?Zach: Yeah, Vaseline. Like, Vaseline, especially in the melanated community, I think is greatly underused, right? So, you know, we don't talk about it enough, but I'ma talk about it - ashy. Ashiness, okay? So ashiness being the predominance of dry skin or a lack of moisture in your skin, and I think a lot of times--I think big lotion, the big lotion industry if I may, has deluded us into thinking that these very watery lotions are satisfactory for our skin, right? But you've got to realize, like, we don't live in a world that caters to blackness or brownness or anything like that. We live in a world where we are not the default. So that watery lotion, that hotel-level lotion, is not gonna cut it for us, and so I think that Vaseline, petroleum, Vaseline, is a great thing. It's a Favorite Thing of mine. Vaseline has never let me down. It is very cold in Dallas and in Houston--Ade: All of the shea butter in the world though.Zach: Shea butter also. So let me--let me actually amend that. Shea butter, cocoa butter, and Vaseline. And I guess--so under the umbrella of thicker moisture risers and moisture retainers, and it's really--Ade: I'm here to educate you. So shea butter and Vaseline and all of those things, they're not going to moisturize your skin. They're going to lock in moisture.Zach: That's what I said--but I said that--remember when I said [inaudible]--Ade: You said moisturizes first.Zach: Okay, fine, but then I said--Ade: I heard you though.Zach: Okay, cool, but then I said retain--Ade: Okay, but I heard you though.Zach: I said retain too though.Ade: [laughs]Zach: [laughs] They retain the moisture, right? So anyway, it's just important, man. I think, you know, a lot of y'all have--you know, a few folks have come in and emailed us about career advice and how do you do this and how do you do this. Let me tell you something. One thing you can do, anybody can do right now, is be less ashy. That is gonna help you in your career, no matter what you're trying to do.Ade: Um, sir? What?Zach: And so--[laughs] Like, no, really though. Really though, name one person that you've seen on television that's a person of color who's ashy? Malala is always--Malala? She's always moisturized. Michelle Obama? She looks moisturized to death. Her everything. There's not one dry bone on her body. Barack Obama? Same way. Idris Elba? Come on. Like, come on. Like, we know this. Oprah? Oprah never goes out ashy. We need to do--we need to do better so that Nivea--that's right, I'm coming at y'all, Nivea--all these other watery, water-based lotions, they're not for us, y'all. That's right, I'm talking to us right now. That's right. So that's--and look, that's just number two. I got one more. I got one more. Oh, Murray's Hair Grease also goes in that Favorite Things. I'm talking about thick pomades and lotions.Ade: Okay. You know what, sir? I'm gonna send you some shea butter because I can't listen to you crackle and pop over there anymore.Zach: [laughs] I don't crackle and--Ade: Don't claim you're not snapping.Zach: I don't crackle and pop. I don't crackle and pop because I use cocoa butter, shea butter, Murray's, and Vaseline.Ade: In that order?Zach: No, I just those thick--they're thick agents. That's what I use.Ade: I just...Zach: What if I start off by saying my Favorite Thing is thick agents? People will be like, "What are you talking about?"Ade: Okay, almost every time you've said "thick" so far you've said "they're thick," "they're thick," "they're thick," and sir, I'm very concerned about--about you.Zach: Thick agents. I didn't say--I didn't say "they're thick," "they're thick," "they're thick."Ade: No, no, no. You're right. You're totally correct. I understand and [inaudible].Zach: Thick agents. Cool. So that's two. Shout out to thick agents of moisture retention. That is my second Favorite Thing, then my third Favorite Thing--my third Favorite Thing is actually going to have to go a GroupMe called Blacks In Consulting.Ade: Aye.Zach: Yeah, yeah.Ade: You keep that one in. Shout out to BIC.Zach: Shout out to BIC, which is thick with black consultants. How about that?Ade: [sighs]Zach: No?Ade: No.Zach: Okay. Well--JJ, keep it in. Keep it in. Don't take this out. [laughs] So no, really though, I love Blacks In Consulting GroupMe because it's--you know, the numbers, they wax and wane, but they are always well over 5 to 600 people, always, and it's all--it's what it is. It's black folks in consulting, and we share--we have venting sessions, we share knowledge, we share resources. It's a place of affirmation and familiarity, and so it's great. It's really exciting just to be in that space, and it was through Blacks In Consulting that I met the Living Corporate--the people that would eventually comprise the Living Corporate team, and so just shout out to them and shout out to my favorite--that's one of my Favorite Things. My Favorite Thing--so it is the GroupMe, but I guess from a conceptual level it's more about the idea of like-minded people grouping together, not to exclude others, not to rise up against other people or anything like that, but in the name of just being collaborative and practicing a certain level of community along very genuine lines, and I think, you know, it's--you know what I mean? Like, to me that's a beautiful thing. And yeah, we're in there. We'll joke and we'll have fun and stuff like that, but, like, there are genuine moments of collaboration and just affirmation. So those are my Favorite Things. Those are my Favorite Things. Okay, so--Ade: And just to add to loving on BIC real quick, it's been a space where I got career advice, I got--I mean, I got to meet you, Zach, but I also got to meet some really amazing people. I got interview advice, and I found some [inaudible] partners. Not only is it a well-rounded group, but it's super effective, and it's a really great way or it has been a really great way to meet young professionals like myself, and I'm very, very grateful for that space, and you guys should definitely look for Blacks In Consulting and other projects that's coming out of that group.Zach: Ooh, yeah. That's a good point too, yeah. We don't want to give away the sauce, but definitely. In 2019, keep your eyes peeled for Blacks In Consulting.Ade: Aye. Okay, I need--I need a new catchphrase. Dear God, I'm so tired of "aye."Zach: Well, the first step is awareness, right? So we can--we can workshop some new phrases in 2019. Like, we have plenty of time, and--Ade: No, no, no. Today. We're working new phrases today because every time I hear it come out of my mouth I'm just kind of like, "A what? B? Can you go with another letter? I don't know, Sis. Something." I'm dragging my own self over, like, verbal cues.Zach: [laughs] You've said it like 20 or 30 times this episode. It's okay.Ade: 20 or 30? Oh, my God.Zach: [laughs] Slight exaggeration there. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. So now we're gonna get into Thank Yous, thank yous. What thank yous do you have?Ade: Thank you, thank you. You're far too kind. Okay, tell me you know where that came from.Zach: You said, "Thank you, thank you. You're far too kind."Ade: Yes.Zach: Man, I'm drawing a blank. [inaudible].Ade: [gasps]Zach: You're gonna say it and I'm gonna be like, "Duh." Who? Not Jay-Z. Who?Ade: Yes, Jay-Z. Numb/Encore with Linkin Park.Zach: Okay, cool. My word. Yo. Man, first of all...Ade: [sighs] You disappoint me.Zach: No, no, no. It's crazy that you bring that up because I was just thinking about the Black Album yesterday. I was listening to an episode of The Evening Jones with Bomani Jones, and he was talking--somebody asked, like, "Is the Black Album a classic?" And I was like, "Yes."Ade: Uh, duh.Zach: Like, the Black Album dropped when I was 14. Man, let me tell you, [inaudible]--Ade: When you were how old?Zach: I was 14. I was in eighth grade, yeah.Ade: Oh, boy.Zach: And it's funny, right? Age is--age is not relative in that, like--I mean, come on. Like, they're distinct numbers, but what you think is old and young is relative to the person, right? So on The Right Time, most of the people there were, like, in their--they were older. They're, like, in their thirties and their, you know, maybe early forties, and they're talking about, "Yeah, I remember when I was in high school listening to the Black Album." "I remember when I was just graduating high school and getting into college listening to the Black Album," and [inaudible] I know I shared. I was like, "Man, I was, like, 13, 14 when the Black Album dropped." I think I was 13 actually. And everybody was like, "Dang, you were young," and then you're like, "Nah, I'm old." Like, 'cause how old were you? You were like, what, 9? 10?Ade: I plead the fifth.Zach: Yeah, you were mad young, right? So anyway--Ade: I plead the fifth.Zach: [laughs] Anyway, so yeah, we're getting to our Thank Yous. Ade, would you like to go first or would you like me to go first?Ade: You go first.Zach: Okay. So first off, a major thank you goes to my wife Candice, who was more than encouraging for me just to get all of this stuff going and getting it kicked off. Like, this was a big deal in just our home because this takes time and energy away from other things, and money of course, right? Just to kind of get things going and getting started. So definitely thank yous to her and just my family, just all the support. My mom, my parents of course, and then my mother and father-in-law for sure. Very encouraging, very supportive in everything that I do, and they're just--they're just great. Like, they're great. So that's just starting with just family and just close--and I'll throw close friends in there too. And then thank yous also go to all of the guests for season one. Like, people responded to us with such excitement to be on the show. Like, we did not have to really beg a lot of people. That was crazy to me. So thank yous to everybody that was a guest. Special shout outs to George Okpamen, who has been super supportive and just over the top--Ade: Sure has.Zach: Right? Very supportive. Amy C. Waninger, who always retweets things. Kyle Mosely. Rod with The Black Guy Who Tips. That was actually another favorite episode too, Rod with The Black Guy Who Tips. Super cool. Very White Guy. I mean, the list goes on and on, literally every single guest. J Prince too. Just people who are willing just to be on our platform and just be a part. Like, it's amazing. Other thank yous go of course to Sound Man, AKA JJ. JJ, man, please give yourself a round of applause real quick-like please.Ade: Seriously?Zach: 'Cause man, you've been just super instrumental in getting all of these things together. I mean, between the full episodes and the B-Sides and the--I mean, it's crazy. And another thank you goes to actually someone who's very behind the scenes but is super instrumental to everything we do is Aaron. So Aaron is our admin, and so, you know, someone--so someone pulled me aside one time and they were like, you know, "So where are the white guys? Where are the white guys?" Like, "Why are you excluding the white people?" So first of all, we do not exclude white people. We've had white people on Living Corporate, okay, as guests, and Aaron, who's on the team, is white. So there, okay?Ade: You just totally pulled the "we have a white friend" card, and I want you to know that I'm about 30 seconds away from laughing [inaudible].Zach: [laughing] But we don't just have a white friend. We have white friendS, right? We've got Drew.Ade: Plural.Zach: Plural. We have Drew. We have Amy. We have Aaron. Okay?Ade: Okay, I'm gonna need you to not list all of the white people who like us. Thank you.Zach: [laughs]Ade: I'm not doing this with you, sir. [laughs]Zach: Here's the thing. See, look. It's so funny, right? 'Cause I was about to get defensive and name, like, two more white people, but then it's--like, that's kind of proving your point. But no, in all seriousness, right, like, I just want to thank Aaron. He certainly is our forced diversity hire. The government, the radical left, came and made us hire somebody white, and so that's where we are. [laughs]Ade: [sighs] All right. When we get kicked off of Apple Podcasts, I will just point to this moment.Zach: You know that's what people think though. They think, like--they think, like, the government goes into companies like, "You have to hire--"Ade: Certainly.Zach: You know? It's just ridiculous. So of course we [inaudible]--Ade: But also just point to this second in time. Like, I'm not mad at it. You are spitting facts, however...Zach: The loony left! Nah, but in all seriousness, Aaron is great, and he's been doing wonderful work. And then last but not least, I want to thank the people who are still kind of, like, on the periph--who started off, like, really closely in Living Corporate but now they're kind of more so on the periphery or doing other things, and that's Latricia, Ade--I'm about to say Ade. Latricia, Ola, and Parin, and Hannah. So all of them have had, like, very critical and instrumental parts of Living Corporate and just getting started and us kind of, like, getting some frameworks recognized and developed, and we've been able to continue to move forward, so I want to thank them. And then lastly--I know I said lastly before, but lastly I want to thank Sheneisha White, and she's actually our researcher, and so you'll hear more about her in season two, but yeah. And I'm sure I've missed somebody, but I don't think so. So yeah, those are my Thank Yous.Ade: Those were great, and exhaustive, so I don't have too much more--Zach: Oh, okay. [laughs]Ade: Look. Listen, you did it. I appreciate you taking point on that because I know I would've forgotten somebody that was super integral, and then I'd feel bad for the rest of all my days, so thank you for sparing me the guilt. Personally, I would like to thank my partner, my friends, my family. I feel like I'm at an award show and I should've prepped a speech, but in lieu of that I do want to say my deep, heartfelt thanks to, you know, everybody who has supported this endeavor, everybody who has given us feedback, who has--I'm gonna shout out my friends [inaudible] and [inaudible] just championing and really supporting in ways that I didn't even expect. I didn't expect my friends--in a lot of ways, they were the very first to recognize, "Hey, this is a really dope thing, and you guys should keep doing it." Not only was that useful for us and helpful for us, but it was just empowering in ways that I don't think they know, and I hope that I'm only a quarter as good of a friend as you guys have been to me. Shout out to [inaudible] as well. Shout out to [inaudible] as well, but I really appreciate all of you, and I've gotten more than one comment about how beautiful my voice is, and I have never been so self-conscious about it before, but I really appreciate that people appreciate my voice, so there's that. Yeah. In all, I'm really grateful that the most expensive thing that you can be given is someone's time and that you guys have come back time and time again to spend your time with us and listen to what we have to say and the content that we are producing is just--it's a humbling thing, and I really appreciate all of you. And finally, I really want to thank you, Zach, because you've poured your heart and soul into this project, into this platform, and I think everyone who knows you knows the amount of time and effort that you put into this project. Up to 3:00 a.m. mornings when we're both up and we're like, "Why are you up?" "Living Corporate. Why are you up?" "Insomnia." So... [laughs]Zach: [laughs]Ade: Yeah. I just really want you to know that I've never met anybody with your work ethic, with your passion, with your drive, and your humility. All of those things are important because otherwise I don't think I'd be able to like you very much because I'd be like, "Who's this guy outperforming me? How dare you?" You've really defined leadership for me in a lot of ways, and I appreciate you.Zach: Man, first of all, thank you, Ade. Like, none of this was scripted at all so I wasn't expecting that, but I definitely appreciate it, and I appreciate you. One of these seasons we're gonna have to talk about, like, your journey, right? Like, this--like, over the past, you know, seven, eight months, and the growth that you've shown--Ade: I don't know if I can put that on a public platform. [laughs] Wait.Zach: [laughs] But no, just the growth that you've shown and the obstacles that you've overcome and the resilience that you've demonstrated, and just all of the--just the development. I mean, there's just so much there, so I'm inspired by you, and I'm excited to be here with you and to continue forward with you on and through Living Corporate. So cool, enough of that 'cause I'm not gonna cry. Let's talk about some house-cleaning and just kind of, like, what's next for Living Corporate, right? So you guys--I'm sorry, I don't want to be so hetero-normative in my language. You all should know or should be hearing this around Thanksgiving, right? So we're recording this in mid-November. You all should be hearing this on the 23rd or the weekend of the 23rd around Thanksgiving. The regularly scheduled programming of Friday Living Corporate episodes, either full episodes or B-Sides, will be on pause until early 2019, which will be sometime in mid-January or so, okay? So that's when we're gonna be coming back. We will be back in mid-January, and that's gonna be, like, our formal, full episodes. Like, that's when those will come back, but in the meantime we actually have a really exciting partnership that we want to announce for you guys, for you all.Ade: Sure do.Zach: And that's what with the Coalition of Black Excellence. So the Coalition of Black Excellence is a non-profit genuinely focused on the uplifting and professional development through networking, through education, of black professionals. They're based in California, and they have a really big, major event called CBE Week that's gonna be happening in early 2019, and so we actually have a partnership with them to really feature a lot of the speakers for that event as special co-branded, co-facilitated learning series that we will be airing through this platform, through the Living Corporate podcast, up and leading to--up and leading to CBE Week, okay? So you'll be hearing those on Mondays, okay? Those will be starting up soon. So if you heard this on a Friday, really you'll likely hear that content--the first episode for that particular learning series will be dropping that following Monday, okay? So make sure you stay tuned for that. We're really excited about that, really thankful for the opportunity to work with the Coalition of Black Excellence in this regard, and we actually have even more content that we're gonna share with you around the CBE Week as it gets closer, but we're gonna hold some of those jewels back for ourselves. So we're excited about that for sure.Ade: Definitely.Zach: What else, Ade, housekeeping-wise? What else do we need to talk about?Ade: While we're gone, please keep sending us your letters if you want to vent, if you want to write, if you want to ask questions. We're on hiatus, but we can certainly--maybe get on Live and answer a couple questions.Zach: Ooh, that's a--what a good idea, yeah. I agree with that. No, we should definitely do that. That's a great idea.Ade: Thanks.Zach: Yeah, and then also--listen. Now, look, I'm not gonna share all of the--all of our download data 'cause I don't--you know what I'm saying? I'm not trying to give away the sauce, but look, we have thousands--we have thousands upon thousands of downloads every month, right? And I share this to say I need y'all to give us five stars on iTunes, okay? Please. That would be a great holiday gift for us. Give us five stars. Like, right now I think we're around, like, 115 or so. I need to check again. I know that, like, they come in kind of in delays, but let's see if we can get to 200 before January. Can we do that? Can y'all get on and just give us five stars real fast? It don't take too much time, and I know y'all not some haters 'cause y'all listen to the show. Like, there's plenty of people--thousands of people listen to the show every month, so just go ahead and do that for us. The last thing is to make sure that you run back some episodes. I know that we publish on a weekly clip, and some people have commented like, "Man, y'all are really putting out a lot of content. It's hard for me to keep up." Like, thankfully it's a podcast, so you don't have to even quote-unquote keep up. Now you can just go back and listen to 'em. You have a little bit of a break. So make sure you check out some episodes if you missed anything. We have some really great content, really proud of it, and yeah. Okay. Well, if that's it--Ade, is there anything else you're thinking about?Ade: As y'all go into the holidays, I hope that you have a peaceful, blessed time. If you get to spend your time with your loved ones, I hope that you hold them close, you hold them tight, you have wonderful, wonderful memories--you make wonderful, wonderful memories, and if you are not around your loved ones or your chosen family, if you have to spend time in uncomfortable spaces in this holiday period, I pray for peace for you as well. I pray for ease for you as well, and, you know, make sure that you prioritize your mental health. The downside to a lot of the holidays is that you're sometimes surrounded by people who trigger you, people who put you in unhealthy situations, and I want you all to choose yourselves first. Take time off work because those people will replace you in a heartbeat if necessary. So as important as it is to build your brand, build yourself, like we were saying earlier, make sure you make time, you make space for healthy habits. I think that's all I have to say. Oh, see y'all next year. [laughs]Zach: [laughs] All right, y'all. Well, yeah, so we definitely will. And, man, echoing everything you just said, Ade. That's dope. That's super agreed. Hit us with the wisdom. I'm over here trying to rush out the door. Yeah. So you will hear other Living Corporate content, but as far as the Living Corporate regular season goes, you will hear us as a duo next year. So with that being said, you've been listening to Living Corporate. My name is Zach.Ade: I'm Ade.Zach and Ade: Peace.Zach: [scat singing]Kiara: Living Corporate is a podcast by Living Corporate, LLC. Our logo was designed by David Dawkins. Our theme music was produced by Ken Brown. Additional music production by Antoine Franklin from Musical Elevation. Post-production is handled by Jeremy Jackson. Got a topic suggestion? Email us at livingcorporatepodcast@gmail.com. You can find us online on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and living-corporate.com. Thanks for listening. Stay tuned.

Technology and a little bit of positive thinking could vastly improve your mental and physical state. How? It’s time to Mattsplain. Show Excerpt:On last week’s show we talked about technologies that are meeting evolution head-on and trying to tip the balance in our favour. This week we’re in similarly choppy waters as we enter the world of the mind. In particular, the mind of Kulturpop’s Matt Armitage, an environment so hostile that it has been known to drive MRI scanners insane. It’s time to Mattsplain.You have another new word you want to introduce this week.•It’s not specifically about the direction of the show, but while we’re on mental health issues.•We’re all familiar with terms like sociopath and psychopath.•Many of us work with one or the other. I know you do Jeff…Are you talking about yourself?•I still maintain that that doctor is the real psychopath, and he has no business diagnosing anyone.•Would I be doing this show if you weren’t all my playthings?•Not everyone can have empathy. Nothing strange about it.Your new word?•Ah. I was ranting again, wasn’t I?•Yes, well we’ve been talking a lot about AI on the show for the last couple of years. •So, as I was looking at the stuff for today’s show I was wondering if the AIs we are building and that will eventually build other AIs could one day develop mental problems.Like the crazy AIs in science fiction?•I just watched the new Emma Stone show Maniac which is partially about an AI suffering from depression and mostly about not very much.•One thing we’ve talked about a huge amount, is how machine intelligence differs from human intelligence.•But you have to wonder if one day there will be a bunch of algopaths, that’s my new word by the way, sentient machines with serious behavioural issues, seeking treatment. Couldn’t we just reprogram them?•As we’ve brought up on the show before.•If we have self-determining machines, those machines may have many of the rights that we enjoy.•So reprogramming might not be an option.•I can imagine a future where there is a body of healthcare professionals, human or machine, that deals with the mental health problems of AI and algorithms.

节目组: The World Says 世界说 节目名称: information security S: Hey guys welcome to the world says from the Voice Of Era foreign languages radio station, I'm SherlockI: This is Iris. Welcome to listen to our program! I: Well, Sherlock, we all rely on computers in our everyday lives. From buying travel tickets in the morning to researching homework at night, our lives would be a lot more difficult without them. So what happens when you can't use them?S: OMG! I can't imagine that! If I cannot use my computer, almost everything can't be completed, for example, our today's show.I: You seem to have missed something.S: Keke~ you know, I'm not always play computer games. Just sometimes, and I can sure you, for me, work is still more important than the game. Let's go back to today's topic. I：Well, Sherlock, today the topic that we bring to everyone is information security.S: maybe you still don't know what we say. That's no matter; you only need to listen to us.I: OK, I think you know this news: Since May 12, a computer virus named WannaCry has infected more than 300,000 computers in over 150 countries.S: Of course I know. Come on; when I heard this news I was so scared! I am very afraid of my data is encrypted, and then never can't be decrypted.I：Yes, It actually scared me too. Because Once the virus gets into the computer, it locks all the documents and asks for money from the user to unlock them. At first, it asks for $300 (2,068 yuan), but if the user doesn't send the money in 72 hours, the price doubles. Documents are locked forever if the user doesn't pay in seven days.S: Yes that's it. I used to think that the hackers are a cool job, but now I really hate hackers. Because they only brought destruction and chaos to this society.I: Yes, those hackers use the network to spread the virus, destructive power amazing. And WannaCry is spread by taking advantage of a weakness in Microsoft's Windows operating system. It can quickly infect an entire network, locking hundreds of computers within minutes.S: In the UK, the virus left the country's National Health Service in chaos. Some hospitals had to cancel outpatient appointments and tell people to avoid emergency departments unless necessary. Doctors even warned that the cyber-attack could cost lives. You know, they actually invaded the hospital network, It makes me simply can't tolerate.I: but don't worry Sherlock. If you weren't affected, there's no need to panic. Unaffected users can install (安装) a software update released by Microsoft to fix the weakness.S: That's it! There really is no full defense against these kinds of viruses, as this cat and mouse game will continue forever. The best option for most users is to take care online and always install software updates.I: Similarly, for network information security issues, the password is often a headache.S: Oh? Really? I didn't feel it.I: Let me hazard a wild guess: the system of passwords you use on the internet – for accessing online banking, email, shopping sites, Twitter and Facebook accounts – is a mess.I: And things are getting worse: these days, you find yourself forced to choose passwords with both upper- and lower-case letters(大小写), and what normal human being can remember multiple combinations of those? S:Let's hear the Lorrie Faith Cranor, who studied thousands of real passwords to figure out the surprising.I: Last month, an analysis of leaked pin numbers revealed that about one in 10 of us uses "1234"; and thousands of users' passwords were either "password", "welcome", "123456" or "ninja". People always choose terrible passwords S: In fact, we have to understand that is Password hacking takes many different forms. I:Yes, and this is where the length of your password makes an almost unbelievable difference. For a hacker with the computing power to make 1,000 guesses per second, such as "FPQZY", would take three and three-quarter hours to crack. Increase the number of letters to 20, though, and the cracking time increases, just a little bit: It is 6.5 thousand trillion centuries.S: so, maybe I think I have got a clever system for coming up with passwords; the chances are that hackers are already familiar with it. Too dangerous!I: Don't worry too much Sherlock, One day, we may not have to worry about any of this: there are development that might replace passwords entirely. Touchscreens(触屏) could be configured to detect subtle aspects of your interactions with your computer.S：Maybe just like the distances between my fingers, the speeds at which my tap and scroll. I: OK, we are running out of time.S：Yes, and I think I shall change my password now! Because I have use the password like 123456 for ten years! I: You better harry! That's all for today's listening. Goodbye. S: 感谢所有收听节目的小伙伴，祝大家考试顺利.I: 如果你喜欢我们的节目，请关注VOE外语广播电台的微信公众号V.O.E radio和VOE外语广播电台的新浪微博，那里有我们往期的作品。感谢制作苏鑫!bye 监制：周宸聿编辑：张燚铭 余若天播音：张燚铭 余若天制作：苏鑫

节目组: The World Says 世界说 节目名称: 星座S: Hey guys welcome to the world says from the VOE foreign languages radio station, I'm SherlockJ: And I'm JottaI: Good evening everyone I'm Iris and this is Francis.F: 大家好，我是Francis 插曲1 one S: So today we are going to talk about the astrology, or horoscope, or zodiac signs.J: Wow, I love magic most! Well there are lots of words in English to describe it. So, what's the Chinese mean of them?F: 嗯，这些词在中文里就是星座的意思。I: So in today's program we will bring you some knowledge about Astrology, and hope you like it.S: Okay, so the astrology is more like western thing, and I guess a lot of people think is like a superstition.F: 哦，像是一种迷信。S: Yeah Yea, but the other way, you know, in China is also popular among our students, especially girls.I: Yeah, I see this stuff in the Wechat all the time, talking about astrology. Speaking about this, do you know how to ask people their astrology in English?F: Isn't it….. What's your astrology?S: No… no is not, the astrology here is a little bit like.. a subject, like… the process how a planet move or something..J: 所以 astrology 这个词还是代表星象学多一点，而不是星座。 I: Right, so here you cannot just say What's your astrology, the one is What's your sign.S: Right, horoscope, what about horoscope, can we just use what's your horoscope?I: Neither, cause horoscope is like. You are reading a newspaper, I mean, like today, my luck is low..J: Oh I get it, wow, looks like somebody has done lots of work in it.I: You bet~S: I'm so glad we do this program with you Iris, cause, ya'know boys like Francis and I really don't know this a lot. And, for our today's show, I also check out some information.F: Just say it.S: Speaking of constellations, in fact, there are two levels of meaning, one is astronomy, the other is astrological.I: Come on, it's hard to understand.J: Constellation, which means a group of stars that forms a particular pattern and has a name.F: 并且zodiac的意思是黄道带，也就是太阳、月亮和行星构成的假想带。S：The conclusion is that, astrology and horoscope is more inclined to superstition. I've always been against superstition about the constellation. I do not think there is a supernatural power to control the will and behavior of mankind.I: Yes, fate is in our own hands. But sometimes we use it to have some fun is also good.S: I agree. So, could you say something about your constellation?I: Pisces pets are the most empathetic. You could have shared a past life experience with these lovely critters, they have excels in the art of listening.J: just iris is like that, lovely!F: 没错，双鱼座擅长倾听，他们还喜欢和人分享过去的经历。S：And Pisces can handle many different tasks at once and be successful in all of them. Come on, could I say：It's impossible?I: You can't. Pisces is often a very sensitive, very mystical, and very misunderstood sign. They're highly sympathetic. Ok. It's your turn.S：They just like me, Lance, Adam, Terry, Kenny, Abel, Thomas and Austin.J: Can't imagine that, but it was just an if.I:So you're a Aries. Sounds like my name. Ha-ha. I know that Aries people have the qualities of being impulsive, of being leaders, of being very...impatient.J:They also are natural-born entrepreneurs. They wanna do things. They don't wanna just sit here. They wanna just go and do things. Ok, it's time to talk about my star sign.I: What's your sign, Jotta?J: Capricorn, that's the Goat.S: The mountain goat—highly, highly ambitious. They wanna climb the mountain.J: You get the idea here. It's an earth sign. They're very practical, really organized.F:而且他们通常在生意上以及任何种类的建构上都表现得很好，因为他们是由土星管辖。I: Wow, it seems you know a lot about Capricorn.F: Yeah. Because I'm a Scorpio. They are similar.J: But there's two different types of Scorpios, they say: the ones that are very high with moral standing, and the other ones that go down.S: So, when you're thinking about a Scorpio, though, you're thinking about someone who's very intense, who is very driven, and who can very much wanna be a part of your life and merge.F: This is somebody who doesn't take anything light-heartedly.J:Oh,Iris,do you know what characteristic of a Gemini？S: Oh? Whose sign is Gemini?J: Emm...someone...I...you know...I: Oh, I know. Ha-ha.F:I know that they are always changing their mind.I: Yes, and qualities of Geminis—they are endlessly curious, very social, friendly people, intellectual, too. And they like a lot of stimulation.J: Thank you Iris. Ah, it's time to say goodbye.F: Hope you enjoy our program .See you next time.S:感谢制作苏鑫。I:如果你喜欢我们的节目，请关注我们的微信公众号 VOE-radio 和VOE外语广播电台的新浪微博，那里有我们往期的作品。 节目监制：周宸聿编辑：朱子业 夏茂航 张燚铭 余若天 播音：朱子业 夏茂航 张燚铭 余若天制作：苏鑫

节目组: The World Says 世界说 节目名称: Talk with foreigners scientificallyS: Dear audience, you are listening to is the world says from the VOE foreign languages station. This is handsome Sherlock. I: And this is cute lovely Iris. I：After last week's program, have you guys know more about foreigners?S：Yes, this week we are going to learn more about foreigners. Come on, I can't wait for no longer, your quiz question.I：As you said,Sherlock, I have a question to ask you first. According the last UK census taken in 2011, what percentage of the British population speaks a first language that is not English?A) 1.7% B) 7.7% C) 14.7%S: That's an interesting one. My first guess is c) 14.7%.I: enhen~we'll find out if you are right or wrong later. S:(打断) Iris, Consider the times you've hopped on a subway, boarded a plane or entered a waiting room. I：Chances are, you probably avoided engaging with any fellow commuters or patients. So, never…S: Yes, But contrary to what we might think, we'd be happier if we did strike up a conversation with a total stranger.I: really?S: Really. In a study, commuters in Chicago were asked to either talk with a stranger on a train, or sit quietly alone, or just do whatever they'd normally do on their commute. Then, they responded to a survey about how they felt.I: how does it going?S：Turns out those who engaged with strangers had the most pleasurable experience and those who remained solitary had the least enjoyable experience.I: Wow ，unbelievable，Why?S: Well, according to a follow up study it's because we think, wrongly, that strangers don't want to talk with us.I: Right, maybe we should practice reaching out-who knows, commuting could become more enjoyable.S: That's good. Now, let's play a game named Communicate with the British need to step by step startling! step by step startling, which means need to be careful.I: What does it mean?S: just guess what the British thinking is.I'll ask you first: When the British says "I hear what you say.”I: They mean "He accepts my point of view."S: no! It's “I disagree and do not want to discuss it further." I: oh, their perspective is so strange. Well, let me text you: When the British says "With the greatest respect... “What do they mean? S: They mean "He is listening to me."I: no no no! This means “I think you are an idiot"S: An idiot! Ha-ha the greatest respect which means an idiot! It reminds me of another habit of talking to the Englishman.Listen, when the British say "That's not bad.” what does they mean I: en… They mean "That's poor."S: oh, come on, with the greatest respect. the mean of not bad is “That's good."I: wait, with the greatest respect? Are you using that word to laughing me? Let me ask you the last question. Ready?S: With the greatest respect, I 'm ready.I: When the British say "That is a very brave proposal.” …S: (打断)They mean "You are insane. “Right?I: Right! Well, you really know much thing.S: It seems that I know much, you should call me Master Sherlock.I: Save your laughing for the end of the race.S: ok, When the British say "I almost agree. " what does they meanI: ha-ha this is easy they mean "I don't agree at all." S: ya, that's not bad.I：Take that! When the British say "Very interesting.”en? The answer?S: Well, "They are impressed."I: obviously, they mean "That is clearly nonsense." You shall do more research on it.S: Seems that died to a tie! Have to say, you've done a lot of work.I：Sherlock，let's leave some questions to our audience, to let them join in~S: ok, the first one is-When the British say "I'll bear it in mind.” what does they meanI: Sounds like I will remember it forever! But it's not that simple. And the second one is: When the British say "I'm sure it's my fault.” what does they mean?S: I have to say, these questions are really interesting. If you want to check your answer, landing VOE foreign language radio station WeChat public number VOEradio, select our program, then you will see the answerI: that's Right. S: But now Iris, I need to know if I got today's question right.I：Yes. I asked you, according the last UK census taken in 2011, what percentage of the British population speaks a first language that is not English?S：I said 14.7%.I: You were wrong. The census found 7.7% per cent of people in the UK have a first language that is not English. That's 4.2 million people.Well, that's it for today.S: At the end of the program, we give you a few words to talk to foreigners.听你的！你说了算！You are the boss!毋庸置疑No doubt about it.我是认真的。I mean it.与您合作很愉快。it's a pleasure working with you.钱乃身外之物。Money will come and go.我非常想见到你。I've been dying to see you.很高兴与你聊天。Nice talking to you.一切顺利。Things couldn't be better.S: Sounds simple, right?That's all for today's listening. Goodbye. I: BYE.如果你喜欢我们的节目，请关注VOE外语广播电台的微信公众号VOEradio和VOE外语广播电台的新浪微博，那里有我们往期的作品。感谢制作苏鑫! 节目监制：周宸聿编辑：张燚铭，余若天播音：张燚铭，余若天制作：苏鑫

节目组：The Screen Age 荧屏时代 节目名称：Beauty and BeastY:Hello my dear audience, welcome back to the Screen Age. This is your friend Yolanda.I: Hi. This is Ivy. Long time no see, do you miss me? Well, today, a new partner has came to our group .Now, let's get to know him.A:Hello everyone, I'm Armstrong from Music Bang Bang. You may have heard my voice before, but this is my first show in the Screen Age.Y:Welcome Armstrong, I am sure we will have a good time together. So Ivy, Qingming Festival had just gone, did you go for a spring outing?I:Yes of course, I find that peach blossoms are blooming and spring is coming. The whole city is vivifying. By the way ,I had seen a fantastic film which satisfied my romance of girls.It is Beauty and the Beast.Y:What a coincidence, I have seen it too, and it really moved me a lot. How about introducing this movie today.I:I can't wait. I:Beauty And The Beast is a classic French fairy tale which was created in 18 century. The beast was an arrogant prince who used to judge people just because of their appearance. One day, he met a witch and ridiculed her. The witch was angry and she turned him into a beast. Only when he found true love could he become human again. This is a cruel curse.Y:On the other side of town, there was a pretty and special girl named Belle, she was so knowledgeable that people disliked her. Belle had an adventuresome father. In one of his adventures，he came to the forest where the beast lived. Unfortunately, the Beast imprisoned her father. But this was a transition that beauty and the beast met each other.A: For saving her father, Belle came to the forest and barged in the castle. Kind-hearted Belle made her mind living in the castle instead of her father. At the beginning of their story, the beast was vary atrocious and bantered ,as long as Belle talked to him ,he would be mad. But Belle was the one who could arouse the Beast's feeling.Y:Gradually,they found that they have same interests and hobbies ,they hung out together, ate together, read together and laughed together. Belle influenced the Beast. In the end, the Beast became a kind and gentle man, and fell in love with Belle. However, everything was not such smooth. They had been through a lot of obstacles together... A: The heroine of beauty and the beast is Emma Watson, who is known for the series movie, Harry Potter. She continued to play the role of Hermione Granger for nearly ten years in Harry Potter. And because of this, She becomes one of the most well–known actresses in the whole world.Y: Emma was burn in France in 1990. And she wanted to be an actress when she was a little girl. And by the age of ten, she had performed and taken the lead in various Stagecoach productions and school plays. Her great success depends on her interest and insistence. I: Yep, If you want to do something better, you must insist on it and never give up. Emma also plays as Belle perfectly. Her amazing appearance and pure, kind heart impressed me deeply. The beauty is my screen goddess.Y: The beast is acted by Dan Stevens，also a world famous actor. He was born on 10th October 1982. He graduated from Cambridge and trained in acting at the National Youth Theatre of Britain. Dan Stevens not only has brown hair, deep blue eyes and strong body, but he still has excellent professional qualities. I: When I first see the beast, I was astonished by his look. It was a very great revivification of the animated movie. And Dan Stevens played as beast perfectly.A: Great movie can't exist without charming songs. The same name song, beauty and the beast is an amazing song with beautiful lyrics and appealing melody.I: The film received generally positive reviews and has grossed over $900 million worldwide on a $160 million production budget, making it the highest-grossing film of 2017.Adoring fans of the original will surely not be disappointed. Disney have cast their magic spell once again, creating a modern romantic fable with a magnificent visual and wickedly entertaining performances.Y: Yeah, and Times praised the performances of both Watson and Stevens, and wrote: "It looks good, moves gracefully and leaves a clean and invigorating aftertaste. I almost didn't recognize the flavor: I think the name for it is joy."A: The movie actually inspired me a lot. No matter how cruel the destiny treats one with tribulation and misfortune, it will correspondingly treat him with happiness and sweetness. And the people that are there for you on darkest nights are the ones worth spending your brightest days with. Y: This is today's movie. Hope you like it.A: How time flies. I really enjoy talking movie with you. I feel so fresh and so exciting.Y: Oh, Armstrong, we also very happy to cooperate with you. You are really a great partner.A: Thank you. I am looking forward to talk with you next time.Y: It's my honors. See you next time. 最后感谢制作张安康！Goodbye.A: Bye 节目监制：刘逸超编辑：李梓彤播音：李梓彤 赵艺薇 温彦博制作：张安康

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节目组: The World Says 世界说 节目名称: The Big data 大数据I: Hello everyone, welcome to the world says from the VOE foreign language station. This is Iris.L:Hey guys,I am Louisa.I: What are you doing,sherlock? Focus! Don't play your computer.S:Wait,wait oh oh.OK.I'm browsing my Taobao. It can always be combined with most people's purchase and it will launch the most fashionable things.I: Yes,that's the big data for you today.As we know the core of big data is predicting, to predict what will happen and the risk of what has happened. We use big data to understand customers' favorites and meet their demand.L:But you know,big data are not always works. Now American depend on data to solve the problems in life. But recently unexpected results and presidential condidate let them realized that data is less reliable.S:Well,Cubs win the World Series.Donald Trump wins the White House.What do those two epochal events have in common? Both were considered highly unlikely. And both happened.Many Americans therefore judge predictions, with more skepticism. They've learned an important ,even comforting lesson about the limits of polling and other measures: Big Data is not destiny.I: In fact, Sherlock, people's mind is good. Survey responses to pollsters, consumer buying habits, internet site visits, can be plugged into computer models to suggest people's future behavior. The understandable hope is always that if you start with knowable measurements and crunch them through well-constructed formulas, you'll produce a reliable preview of what will happen.L:But.Not necessarily.Computers don't read minds. Nor do pollsters. People don't always say what they think. Or they change their minds. People can be convinced and unconvinced.I:Some people say one thing but do another. You will never write a program to take into account all those nuances and many others.S:As you say,Big Data can lead to Big Mistakes. Google Flu Trends, for instance, sought to use data from internet searches to estimate when influenza season would peak and at what level. I:But it drastically overestimated peak flu levels in the 2012-13 season That failure “doesn‘t erase the value of big data,” “What it does do is highlight a number of problematic practices in its use-what we like to call ‘big data hubris'”L:Should we toss out data and rely only on experience, or on anecdotes, or on what we hear ( true or false) frome people with whom we agree?I:That would be a dangerous overreaction to the election flub. If people believe the data cannot be trusted, they may turn instead to “ trusting anecdotes friends, family and tribe,” Someone writes in the New York Times. “Policies will be based on what people think are good ideas, not what data show. This will potentially … further segment an already divided nation,” he warns, aptly.S:In a conclusion,humans embrace Big Data because we live in an unpredictable universe that is often capricious. People fell comforted when thwy think they know what is going to happen. They see patterns in random chance. L:And they purge from their thought the reality that a 74 percent chance of victory is a 26 percent chance of defeat. Superstition endures.S:Reality is elastic. Every moment brings new possibilities. That's what makes life intriguing. Okay, we are going to talk about the big data security,Louisa.Imagine being talked about behind your back. Now picture that conversation taking place covertly in your own sitting room, with you unable to hear it.I: That is the modus operandi of SilverPush, an Indian start-up that embeds inaudible sounds in television advertisements. As the advert plays, a high-frequency signal is emitted that can be picked up by a mobile or other device installed with an app containing SilverPush software.S:And this “pairing” — currently targeted at Indian consumers — also identifies users' other nearby devices and allows the company to monitor what they do across those. All without consumers hearing a thing.L: Well, that sounds terrible, but it actually exists. This “cross-device tracking technology”, being explored by other companies including Adobe, is an emblem of a new era with which all of us — governments, companies, charities and consumers — will have to contend.S:In fact, the Royal Statistical Society hosted a conference at Windsor castle to ponder the challenges of Big Data — an overused, underexplained term for both the flood of information churned out by our devices and the potential for this flood to be organised into revelatory and predictive rivers of knowledge.L:Have to say, the ethics and governance surrounding the growing use of data are a right royal mess. Public discussion about how these vast quantities of information should be collected, stored, cross-referenced and exploited is urgently needed. There is excitement about how it might revolutionise healthcare — during outbreaks of disease.S:Such as, search data can be mined for the greater good. Today, however, public engagement largely amounts to public outcry when things go wrong.S: And here is our first problem: most of us click unthinkingly.It is thus questionable whether we have given informed consent to all the ways in which our personal data are subsequently used.L: To demonstrate this, a security company set up a public WiFi spot in the City of London and inserted a “Herod clause” committing users to hand over their firstborn for eternity. Within a short period of time, several people unwittingly bartered away their offspring in return for a free connection.S:so, you say they hand over their firstborn for eternity,this is ridiculous.I:A second challenge arises from the so-called internet of things, when devices bypass humans and talk directly to one another. So my depleted smart fridge could automatically email the supermarket requesting replenishment. But it could also mean my data become a network of electronic spies that can paint a richly detailed picture of my prandial,raising privacy concerns.S:Therefore, the EU adopted the data protection rules,but alongside the new EU rules on data protection, we need something softer: a body of experts and laypeople that can bring knowledge, wisdom and judgment to this fast-moving field. 现在，美国已有了一个由律师、哲学家和人类学家组成的大数据、伦理与社会委员会.I: We have wearable devices that, like Santa, see you when you are sleeping and know when you're awake. It is possible that a company will find a way of deducing — through sentiment analysis of social media postings, visits to charity websites, checks on your bank balance and fitness tracking — if you've been bad or good.L: This is the big data, bring convenience while there are a lot of privacy issues.S:Now, let's hear the words we learned today. They are:Epochal 划时代的 Skepticism 怀疑态度Crunch 处理 Algorithms 算法Nuances 细微差别 Influenza 流行性感冒Hubris 傲慢 Flub 搞错Anecdotes 轶事，奇闻 L: Ok, that's all of today's program.please don't forget to join us soon!see you next time感谢制作苏鑫，感谢制作王紫丞!节目监制：周宸聿编辑：陶麓伊 张燚铭 余若天播音：陶麓伊 张燚铭 余若天制作：苏鑫

Opener: skipped this time, because we cover so many games in the main show My last episode of 2016 is going to (pretty much!) wrap up my coverage of BGGcon. Two more SoCal friends join me across many miles & timezones to share their experiences at the convention. It's a very game-specific episode, with many titles discussed. They're pictured below, but you really should follow along with their geeklists (linked below). This brings another year and season of Boardgames To Go to a close. I'll definitely be back in January to kick off the next season. When I moved to France for my job mid-year, I really wasn't sure what would happen with the podcast. I knew I WANTED to keep it going, but could I? Yes! It may even be possible that I've put out more episodes than I would've at home (especially if you include Wargames To Go, which is on a roll.) Thanks to all of my listeners who stuck with me another year.   Brian's Geeklist of the following games & star ratings Dave's Geeklist of the following games & star ratings Closer: skipped this, too, because we talk about "meta" stuff throughout the episode -Mark

节目组: The World Says 世界说节目名称: old tech 怀旧开头曲 Turn my world aroundI: Hello everyone, welcome to the world says from the VOE foreign language station. This is Iris.S:(whisper a song♬)And I'm Sherlock.I: You listen to your Walkman here again.S: oh sorry. Well, I'll be serious. Please continue.I: We're talking about old technology today, Sherlock. Did you use to have any old tech, you know, a Walkman, back in the1990s? Before music went digital?S:No.I didn't have a Walkman...But I do have a record player.专门用来播放我的黑胶唱片。I:I know you like flared trousers, but I didn't realize you were that retro. A record player, for those of you who don't know, is a box with a turntable or turning plate that you put your vinyl records on to play them.S: And retro means going back to styles and fashions from the past. Well,I love my record player.I have a large collection of vinyl records, as well as cassette tapes that I inherited from my parents...I: Vinyl is the plastic that records are made from. And cassette tapes came after records which are these small plastic cases with audiotape on reels inside them. Well, I don't understand your fondness for out-dated stuff, Sherlock.S: Don't be so quick to dismiss old tech, Iris. There's been a resurgence-or new rise in record sales recently there in the UK, and in the US.I: Some DJs have gone back to using them, and new record stores have opened to meet the demand for vinyl.I: Really?S: Yes, really. Infact, I have a question for you, Iris. Guess how many records were sold in the UK in 2014? Was it...A)10,000? B)100,000? Or B)1 million?答案看起来相差不小。I: Well, I think it's B)100,000.S: We'll find out if you're right or wrong later in the show. For me, I just think vinyl sounds nicer than digital-has a warmer quality.插曲: yesterdayI: It sounds a bit technical, Sherlock! Don't you think this retro trend has more to do with nostalgia for the past?S: Nostalgia means thinking about the past with a mixture of warm feelings and sadness. 怀旧就是用一种温暖又夹杂着些许悲伤的心情去回想过去。C: Well, yes, I think people who grew up with the old technology probably are nostalgic about it.S: Oh, Cherry, could you tell me what cassette tapes means to you?C: They were audio love letters. They were ways in which you started to carve out your own identity so you know when I have asking people we talk about. We talk to musicians about their impressions and, you know, and their influences, and invariably it was siblings or parents. And you would raid those vinyl albums and you would self-select.I:So you call cassette tapes audio love letters because people often compiled-or put together their own collection onto tape, and gave them to the boy or girl they liked. And it seems that this process helped create then musical and social identity.S: Yes. I identified with The Tchaikovsky and Beethoven when I was a kid, well, it looks very old-fashioned in my peers. How about your musical identity, Cherry?C: Well, I was in love with all the boy bands from the 1990s, such as West life, Back street Boys, TakeThat.S: Unbelievable! I can see I need to make you some decent tapes of music from the 90s, Cherry.C: I didn't say I still like boy bands, Sherlock. I'm not nostalgic for my lost teenage years-unlike you.S: Old tech is everywhere. Did you know that the US nuclear weapons force still uses a computer system dating back to the 1970s with 8-inch floppy disks?C: Floppy disks? You mean those flexible plastic computer disks used for storing data magnetically. Well, I can't believe the guys in The Pentagon are nostalgic about floppy disks.S: Well, a Pentagon spokesman said it would be extremely expensive to update the system and it still works. They plan to do it by 2020 and save a lot of space for sure. You would need more than 130,0008-inch floppy disks to store 32GB of information.插曲: heroC: Wow! This is the equivalent of an average memory stick!S:Yes. But there are more people out there keen on old tech. For example, the radio is a good one.I:Yes, I always can see there still some old one use a radio listening to the broadcast everyday. In their view, it is still advanced.S: Sounds interesting. The Walkman, VCD and DVD gradually replaced the outdated products, mobile phones and computers can now replace almost all audio and video players. But I still have a retro heart. HaHa I also love the old player, like VCD and DVD.I: Well, How do you think a DVD rental store survives in this era of online movies streaming, Cherry?C:They have survived because of the experience of coming into this store. Umm, It's a very human experience. It's human interaction. People come here because they want to talk to somebody who's really knowledgeable about film.I: In other words, like-minded people together to do what they want to do, isn't it?C: They want to have a recommendation or a conversation about the films they just watch. You know, they really want to discuss those things.S: So it's back to the idea of human contact. We like compiling lists of music and sharing them with our friends and loved ones. Sharing a play list through itunes or Spotify isn't cluite the same, though. We like talking people about the films we watch.I: You can always talk to me, Sherlock. Now how about giving me the answer to today's quiz question?S: I asked:How many records were sold in the UK in 2014?Was it...a)10,000 b)100,000? 0r c)Imillion?I:I said b)100,000.S:And,iris,you were infact totally wrong(iris is very depressed and say:Oh.) The answer is cS:Vinyl is booming-in 2014,sales passed 1 million albums in the UK for the first time since1996.C:The format has been steadily increasing,thanks in part to the popularity of guitar bands,traditionally associated with records.But the vinyl record is very old and not practical products, why would some people keen on it?S:Because the kind of empty inspiration and sense of the scene is now the CD can not be replaced. If you've ever listened to LP, you will not be able to tolerate the sharp, crude digital sound of the CD nowadays.C:LP is a vinyl record, 33 and one-third turn, each side can be recorded about 6 songs.S:Now let's hear words we learned today. They are:recordplayer电唱机 turntable转盘retro复古的 vinyl乙烯基casset tetapes盒式磁带 resurgence再现nostalgia怀旧之情 compiled汇总floppydisk软盘插曲: Moon riverC:Ok, that's the all of our today's program. At last: What obsolete technology are you keen on ? And don't forget to join us again soon.I:感谢制作苏鑫，感谢制作王紫丞。Goobye~All :Bye!节目监制：周宸聿编辑：余若天 苗世钰 张燚铭播音：余若天 苗世钰 张燚铭制作：苏鑫

节目组: The World Says 世界说节目名称: penicillin: breaking the mould 青蒿素I:Hello everyone, welcome to the world says from the VOE foreign language station. This is Iris.S:And I'm Sherlock（trattles a bottle of pills)I:What have you got there,Sherlock?S:Antibiotics.I had a blister on my big toe,and it got infected.My whole toe swelled up like a balloon!The swelling has gone down now with these little wonder drugs.Look,I'll show you.I:No,Sherlock.Please keep your socks on.Thank you.Now,the subject of today's show is penicillin,which was one of the first antibiotics to be discovered.So,Sherlock,can you tell me how many lives penicillin has saved since its first use as a medicine in1942?Isit...a)20million?b)200million? Or c)2billion?S:Well,I'll say b)200 million.That sounds like a good number.MUSICI:OK,well,we'll see if you're right or wrong later on in the show.Now,penicillin is a common antibiotic-or substance that kills microorganisms.S:And it was discovered in 1928 by a Scottish scientist called Alexander Fleming who noticed some mould growing on apetridish of bacteriain his lab,which had a halo-or circle-around it where no bacteria were growing.Mould,by the way,is the soft green fuzzy stuff that grows...for example,in the bottom of my coffee cups when I forget to wash the mup,iris.I:We didn't need to know that,SherlockS:OK,well,moving on,it took decades before scientists learned how to successfully manufacture penicillin.But they got there just in time to treat huge numbers of soldiers in World War Two.where so many men were dying from infected woundsI:And you could have died from your infected toe,Sherlock,before penicillin!S:That is a sobering thought,isn't it cherry?Well,cherry,could you talking about how penicillin has been a game changer in the field of medicine.I:Easy.The sort of cancer chemotherapy which we currently use,which immunosuppress people,we couldn't possibly consider that without the use of antibiotics.So not only has penicillin opened the door for treating people with infection,it's also essentially paved the way for modern interventional medicine that we benefit from now.Chemotherapy is a chemical treatment used to kill cancer cells that also suppresses-or stops-the body's immune system from working.S:The immune system is our body's defence against infection and disease.So cancer patients have to take antibiotics to prevent infections that the body can't fight off by itself.I:And the discovery of penicillin paved the way for chemotherapy and other types of medical treatment.-S:umm. to pave the way means to make something possible.But,surely,iris,there are some bacteria that penicillin doesn't kill?I:You are right.It only works against bacteria with proteins that are sensitive to penicillin.Other types are less sensitive,and also have systems built into the structure of the cell that sweep out harmful compounds,such as penicillin.S:And what about that superbug,what's it called...MS...MR...MSR...?I:MRSA,SherlockThis bacterium was sensitive to penicillin but has developed a resistance to it,and to other antibiotics,meaning the drugs can't harm it any more.S:Are we returning to the past,then,iris,where people like me might die from an infected toe?I:Well,it's possible,Sherlock.But drug-resistance isn't new.cherry,penicillin in the contemporary must be a new invention, after all,it saved so many lives.C:Penicillin is not new.It's been around for millions,probably hundreds of millions of years in the soil.And it's because the moulds protect themselves with it.And infact you find resistance to penicillin in the most unlikely places.You find it for example in corpses from before Columbus in the New World.by the way,Sherlock,have you ever use the penicillin before?I:umm,I remember When I was a kid, I was infected by some terrible bacteria.I feel very bad.So,the doctor gave me a prescription for a week of penicillin, in the way of intravenous injection,then I was cured.But when I heard the report of a large number of drug resistance to antibiotics is very worried.C:Well, you have this awareness is a good thing.But there is not much resistance to bacteria.Long term use of an antibiotic can cause drug resistance. No matter how to eat antibiotics, there will be drug resistance, drug resistance is inherent in bacteria or in the survival of the nature of the variability, it is an objective existence.I:thank you cherry,wonderful explanation. So penicillin was discovered in 1928 but it's actually been around for hundreds of millions of years.S:Yes.And scientists have been able to test bacteria present in very old corpses-or dead bodies-discovered in the new world.-that's North and south America-and found that some of it was resistant to penicillin.But penicillin resistance is growing,isn't it?I:Yes.These days we over use penicillin both in agriculture and human medicine,which has given bacteria the chance to adapt and fight back.S:So it's almost out of effect, is it.I:Not yet.So it's now up to scientists to adapt penicillin to extend its lifespan,and to search for new types of antibiotics.S:But prevention is better than cure,isn't it?We should all wash our hands more and it's a fantastic way of killing bacteria.I:Yes.Good point,Sherlock,but washing your hands didn't cure your toe,did it?Now,remember I asked you earlier:How many lives has penicillin saved since its first use as a medicine in 1942?Was it...a)20 million,b)200 million or c)2 billion?S:And I said b)200million.I:And you were right!Penicillin became the most effective life-saving drug in the world,conquering diseases such as tuberculosis,gangrene,pneumonia,diphtheria,and scarlet fever它可以治疗肺结核、坏疽、肺炎、白喉和猩红热。S:And made Alexander Fleming an international hero for discovering it.Well,you know,cherry,Alexander Fleming is a great man.But I heard other people have some criticism on him.C:Due to penicillin have saved the lives of millions of people, and the future will surely save more lives, so there is no importance to Fleming who invented the question.S:So do you think it's important for him to have a place in history?I:His exact position in a list, such as in the book of the location, nature depends on how many people think the credit should work in Florey and chain.S:florey and chain is the improvement and purification of penicillin.C:I think the main credit should be attributed to Fleming, because he made a major discovery. Without him, it might have been a lot of years before he could invent penicillin. And his results were published, sooner or later will be the production and purification of penicillin advanced technology, which is natural.S:Now,let's hear the words we learned today.They are:antibiotic抗生素halo光圈mould霉chemotherapy化疗suppresses抑制immune system免疫系统pave the way铺平道路resistance抗性corpses尸体C:Ok, that's the all of today's program. At last, I urge everyone to use antibiotics discretely.S: Goodbye everyone ,wish everyone health感谢制作苏鑫 感谢制作王紫丞all: Bye~节目监制：周宸聿编辑：余若天 苗世钰 张燚铭播音：余若天 苗世钰 张燚铭制作：苏鑫

Hello and welcome to Tap Treaty Episode #052. We’re taking it down this week, so get ready to chill. We have some new stuff from CHVRCHES and IYES, and a bunch of other melodic and deep house sure to get you in the mood. Enjoy!Website: http://hekktic.comFacebook: http://facebook.com/hekkticSoundcloud: http://soundcloud.com/djhekkticTrack Suggestions and Requests: hekktic@gmail.comTracklist:01. IYES - Cant Feel My Face (The Weeknd Cover) [CDR]02. Dua Lipa - New Love (Jarreau Vandal Remix) [Warner Bros.]03. Kidswaste - Come Back [CDR]04. Televisor - Remember Me By [Monstercat]05. Jerry Folk - To My Soul [CDR]06. Chinah feat. Skizzy Mars - We Go Back (Jarami Remix) [CDR]07. CHVRCHES - Leave a Trace (Goldroom Remix) [Glassnote]08. XY&O - Low Tide (Sistek Remix) [Electric MVM]09. Allure - By Surprise [CDR]10. The Avener feat. Adam Cohen - We Go Home (EDX's Paris At Night Remix) [Enormous Tunes]11. Boehm X Charlie Puth - Hotline Bling (Drake Cover) (Club Edit) [Cash Money]12. The Him feat. Son Mieux - Feels Like Home (Radio Edit) [CDR]13. RUFUS - Innerbloom (Deep House Mix) [CDR]14. ANOTR - Strobe (Original Mix) [DFTD (Defected)]

https://soundcloud.com/ben-pearce-productions To many, Ben Pearce’s name is synonymous with ‘What I Might Do’, his oddly anthemic deep-house debut that dominated club floors across the world in 2012. Whilst this is an easy correlation to make (the track went platinum in Europe, reached #7 in the UK charts and was the most Shazamed tracked of 2013 in the UK), those who have followed him since the beginning can testify that he is so much more than that. Ben is very much an underground DJ first-and-foremost, aided in no small part by his vast musical knowledge and the ability to play across a wide range of musical genres. His skills behind the decks have not gone un-noticed, as shown by high-profile sets alongside the likes of Simian Mobile Disco, Tensnake and Claptone. On the rise, Ben was named DJ Mag's Best Breakthrough Producer in 2013 and in the following year further proved that he's deserving of the coveted award. Becoming increasingly known for his remixing abilities as well as his own original productions, remixing for Le Youth, Kwabs and Tender Games all in 2014. He collaborated with Black Orange Juice ‘Predictable’ for MTA, a soulfully smooth single that equally showcases lyrical flair and production talent, as well as release the underground club infused 'Lego' EP on his own label. The latter end of 2014 saw Ben launch of his new disco inspired project The Sextape Series. Which incorporates a number of free mix tapes, cheeky edits and a sequence of Sextape inspired parties. These specific nights see Ben playing extended funk-infused sets across a range of characterful, intimate venues in the UK. Through 2015, Ben has continued to tour around the globe, starting the year in Australia before embarking on a tour of North America in March. Starting in Miami where Ben played a special Sextape Series set, the tour also took in dates in Montreal, Texas and Mexico City. Having appeared for the brand last year, Ben was given a recurring residency for ANTS at Ushuaia and additionally appeared for We Love… and Magna Carta at Sankeys Ibiza. Not to mention the inaugural Creamfields Festival in Ibiza at Ushuaia. Away from the White Isle, Ben played at the first ever Lost Village Festival as well as Parklife, We Are FSTVL and the Ruis Festival in the Netherlands. Revered for his classic disco sets, the legendary Giorgio Moroder also enlisted Ben to play a special set at the launch party for his new album at Shoreditch House in May - an event that also served as a fundraiser for Bridges for Music. Alongside a hectic touring schedule, Ben has also provided remixes for the likes of IYES and Hayden James on ‘Something About You’ in 2015, as well as standout collaborative record ’Nothing Ever Hurts' with Shadowchild and featuring vocalist Laurel - a track that reinforced Ben’s penchant for blending astute melody with peak-time bass. Ben also successfully runs his own label imprint Purp & Soul which has celebrated its 12th release with regular artist showcases and releases. After a massive couple of years, Ben has shown that he’s not one to rest on his laurels and 2015 is sure to further Ben Pearce’s status as one of the top DJs and producers in the industry.

Welcome to Lancelot's Roundtable - Episode 23Career Re-evaluation with Shelby SmithShelby 00:00I learned about myself that like with education that... you just realized you have no more coffeecorrect was tea like looked into my mug and like yep, it's pure design on its faceLance Foulis 00:14true Hello everybody and welcome back to Lancelot's Roundtabe. It is getting very spring likeoutside we are early March and we're getting our first little taste of spring, which probablymeans that we're going to get a least one more bout of snow before we get into permanentspring time. So I hope everyone's having a good day. Hope everybody's enjoying the sunshine,wherever you are, if it's sun shining, when you listen to this, but thanks so much for listening.I'm happy to welcome to the podcast, a really good friend of mine, Shelby Smith. Shelby,welcome to the roundtable. Hi, thanks so much for having me. Absolutely, really thrilled thatyou could come on. So why don't you tell the people a little bit about yourself? Yeah, so I'm 33mom of one currently.Shelby 01:13Born and raised, Columbus went to o u in Athens and I have a Bachelors of Science incommunication studies, through right out of college went into HR and then marketing where Imet you. That's where are we met? That's where we met a couple years ago. Yeah, well, morethan a couple now. We'll go with a couple. And then when that really just wasn't the greatestfit, I left the corporate sector and decided that I was better fit for the education side. So I havebeen teaching for five years. It's my fifth year. So I'm about to end my fifth year and wild Godyears already. It's crazy. And I have my masters now in education, curriculum and instructionfrom Ashland University. I didn't know you went to Ashlyn. I mean, it was all online. But yeah,that's your mom. Right? Hey, everybody, Kim's here.SSKim Foulis 02:09Hi.Lance Foulis 02:11She's walking around taking pictures and video. She does that. Hey, hey, everybody. Hey, soum, yeah, so like we met at a company that I still work for you left? Correct. And you were oneof the people that was in the infamous row that we talked about on the episode with NatalieBaldwin, Episode 19. Go listen to it. Oh, I didn't realize it was episode 19. Bob, good plug,Marketing, Marketing and Communication Specialist right there runs through the just part ofthe blood you can't get rid of it can't. So let's talk a little bit about those days. I rememberwhen I first started. I was coming from local bank. And I was really excited about this jobbecause it was an actual, like, professional type job. And I remember meeting you, you were 90days, I believe, is that correct? I think so. Yeah, yeah, you're getting or you're getting close toyour 90th day because that was some type of a milestone. Yes. And I remember just being likea deer in the headlights,Shelby 03:09like get like 90 days, I was still a deer in the headlights. Let's be honest,Lance Foulis 03:12it wasn't easy. Which I remember Natalie and I got into that very much. But I mean, lookingback at those memories, it was, here's your clients, here's what you're doing. And when I sayhere's what you're doing, it's more like, here's where you'll be sitting in here's your computer.Here's how you log in random binder of things that oh, you know, the binders, we had a lot ofbinders,Shelby 03:33they did do a great job of pairing you up with a person who had your client before youunfortunately for me, all of my clients went came from a person who was leaving.Lance Foulis 03:46Yeah, and that's what that's that's like the worst situation that you could be in in that role is theperson that used to support it is gone. Because there's, there wasn't a good knowledge sharing,I guess that's the way I would put it. So like that person left with the knowledge of how to dothings. So lots of all of the nitty gritty details. For your day to day you just had to learn byShelby 04:09KSSSShelby 04:09identifier? Well, I think a lot of it for me was learned by not doing and then realize I didn't doand then having to do very, very quickly. Yeah. So that was a thing where like, vendors wouldreach out and say, Hey, we normally have, you know, a program coming through or informationcoming through for for this program are running, but we haven't seen it come through. Are westill running that for you? Yeah, that's the only thing.Lance Foulis 04:31Like, that's literally like a third party and they're basically coming to your rescue. And they'rebeing very nice about it. But it's like, oh, yeah, you know, we typically would expect to get thisform by now. And we haven't done it but we know that you need the this material over hereand it's going to take some days for it to get there.Shelby 04:48Yeah, I think in the beginning, I had to call in a lot of favors for people I didn't even know yet.Yeah. Can you run this for me in 24 hours? I promise you'll learn to love me.Lance Foulis 04:57Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's true, but you were really Good at your internal network. Oh, thankyou. Yeah, you were really good at that.Shelby 05:05I got the hang of it after a while. Yeah. And it just slowly after I kind of had the hang of it andhad been doing it for a while, started to realize it just was not what I was passionate about. Itwas not what was what made me happy. It was not a good fit, I lovedLance Foulis 05:20who I worked with, it's always the people, it's always theShelby 05:23people. And what I learned, and I did learn a ton from that position. Yep. And I'm very thankfulfor that. But the biggest thing, I think I learned was the 8020 lesson, and that in your role, and Itry and pass this on to my students all the time, because I am High School. And for the last fiveyears, the constant for me has been seniors in high school. So I've taught a little bit of nine, alittle bit of 11 some electives, but the constant all five years has been that I have had at leastone one course of English 12. So all seniors and so one thing I try and pass on to them asthey're moving into that next phase of life is that they need to look for the 8020 You're nevergonna find 100% It's just not out there. Right? You're always gonna have some little bit thatSSSSyou don't love to do. Yeah, I gave an example the other day, I could work with puppies all daylong. be fantastic. So much fun, just little puppies running around everywhere, but you're stillgonna have that like puppies have sharp teeth, or you know, they're not potty trained. Orthey're chewing on your shoelaces. And you know, your new Louis Vuitton bag is now coveredin slobber or did this happen to you? Know, this is just my own? Like, no, no, no. lifeexperience? Well, I mean, my dog did eat one of my purses. So that's cool.Lance Foulis 06:36Just not a Louis Vuitton. God loved Piper. Oh my gosh, I forgot about Piper.Shelby 06:40How's Piper She's good. She's getting gray.Lance Foulis 06:42How old is she? Oh,Shelby 06:45nine.Lance Foulis 06:45Cuz you you guys got her before you got married? Right?Shelby 06:50Yeah, I think she's eight or nine.Lance Foulis 06:51Okay, that's awesome. I'm glad to hear about Piper. I totally forgot about Piper. Yeah.Shelby 06:56Yeah, so I try and tell them they're still that that you know, a little bit that you don't love. Lovethe puppies hate the slobber and the sharp teeth. And, you know, and so if you have 80% ofthe job you absolutely love and 20% that you can deal with, then that's golden. If you can find9010 That's like the rainbow. Yeah. out there. Yeah. And so for me, it was when I was at theSSSSmarketing position that I was in with you. It was the opposite. It was the 2080. Yeah. And the20% were the people that I worked with. That was what I loved and what got me in every singleday. Yeah. But it was the 80% of the actual work I was doing was that 80% I hated? Yeah,couldn't do it. And so in education, luckily, I have found the good positive 8020 Where it's 80%of the job I love. And then there's 20%, where you have paperwork, and you know, gradingessays that maybe are not at the caliber, you would like them, or, you know, workLance Foulis 07:54in progress, right. And you don't have to write anybody up. That's, that's also cool. SoShelby 07:59yes, it's very nice. Yeah, I mean, aside from like, sending home email saying, Yeah, ILance Foulis 08:03literally thought about that, after I sent said that. And I'm like, Well, no, there's probably somedisciplinary issues. But high school, there's probably some discipline that needs to happen. Solet's talk a little bit about because I mean, from my perspective, you are so fresh out of college,that it's I feel like for you is probably at least somewhat hard to know and get your bearingsaround all that like now you can look back and be like, Yeah, I wasn't happy, I maybe I shouldhave made my move sooner. And maybe I didn't have to deal with all that stuff that I dealtwith. So do you think that's a consequence of Okay, everybody, thank you. Always fun when wehave these little like interesting cuts, but I had a phone call from my mechanic, and I needed totake it because I need you to see how much the bad news was. So life happens. Life happens.Exactly. Right. So what I was asking you Shelby was essentially, when you win, this was one ofyour first jobs that you started, right? Yes. So I wanted to find out from you what yourperspective was on. I'm trying to remember how many years you were there before you left?Was it like three, four? I was there like a little over four. So a little over four years. So you thinkabout I mean, that's when you're coming out of college things are just like in four year batches,because high school before your batch College is a four year batch. So do you think that maybeif you if it hadn't been your first job, you might have figured out quicker that it wasn't a goodfit?Shelby 09:27I think so. I think I had a lot of pressure on myself as well. Yes. Just to make it work. I had neverreally experienced true failure at something and not not succeeding. Yeah, you know, andLance Foulis 09:44that was hard every day was basically like on some level a struggle. Oh, to not lose my mind.Yeah, yes, it is. And to be successful what we were doing Yes, yeah. Every day was like a battlein that sense.SSShelby 09:57Yeah. And this was before like I was there about Before all of the reorg started, right that themultitude of reorg were at my tail end is when those reorg started happening. So, you know,we kind of had all of those different deliverables that we had to do that were eventually kind ofpushed off to other people. And we had just a core group of deliverables.Lance Foulis 10:21Yeah, so to kind of describe that to people. So in our role, we were like, we were managingmarketing projects, which that that's kind of a very loose definition to get more nitty gritty into,I think a better explanation is like, we were like the gatekeepers to a lot of different things. Andit was our job to work with so many different people across the organization to make surethings happen. So we had to be subject matter experts across across a very wide variety ofthings. So anyway, let's talk some more of just about like that experience for you. So everysingle I mean, we were all in that like, right, every single day coming in, the challenges arereally high, the pressure is really high, you have a date that you pretty much have to meet, youcan't miss any of these dates. When you do you get to have Crucial Conversations. So checkmail date, hashtag mail dates. So talk, talk, just talk a little bit about maybe your journey of,you know, four years you're doing this thing, the people are great. The job is the way that thejob is, how did you get to the point where you understood, this isn't for me, and to make thatcourageous decision to?Shelby 11:31Yeah, so I think it's also really important to understand that that point in my life was also a verybig turning point into adulthood, you know, coming right out of college. When I took that job, Iwas, you know, 23 Yeah. And so still, in retrospect, now, 10 years later. 23 is really young. Youknow, when I when I was in that spot, I was like, you know, I'm gonna know what's ups. I'mbrown. I know what I'm doing. I got this. And in reality, that was not the case at all. But I washanded a one I considered a good title with a good salary, you know, we were looking for Yeah,we were well compensated. And yeah. You know, I felt like if I couldn't make this work, then Iwas failing at life. Period. Yeah. Period. And because also, if you remember, a lot of the peoplethat I went to college with, also had jobs there. It was different department. It wasLance Foulis 12:27an Oh, you haven like people like we really came out. Oh, you and my Oh, my ammo of Ohio.Those were like the two big ones. I think. I don't think we recruit that in the same way anymore.But yes, back then. Yeah. No, you folks. Yes. Can you talk about the comparison factor? Whatdo you mean? So? You're see that's that's the thing. I don't I think that's really important tonotice. Or to note. You mean comparing yourself to the fact that yeah, you went to college andmost people now you're in the professional sector with a bunch of people and there's no endright? There's no spring breaks. There's no the quarters over. SoSSShelby 13:02glad that you brought that up. Because that I've I realized about myself is I am a person whoworks in increments in life in general. So I always knew that about myself in terms of likeworking out, right. If I was going for a run, not a runner. I hate to write terrible. I don't knowhow people do it or why you do it. Yeah, Harrison. Right. Eric, come on our friendLance Foulis 13:22Aaron that we used to work with her and her husband loved to run. Do they run in likeblizzards? Yeah. And we would always scratch her heads at that a little bit. Anyway,Shelby 13:30I mean, they love it. And that's good. Love that journey for them. Not mine. Not my journey. Butwhen I go for a run, I always have to tell myself, Okay, I just need to make it from here to thestop sign. Hmm. Right. And then I get to the stop sign like Okay, from here to the yellow car.Yeah. Or one more block around the track. Yep. So I have to give myself these increments toknow that I have reached my goal. Yeah. And if it is a very short term goal. Yeah. And therewas no end in sight. Like you said, there was no end. It was just everyday rolling over. And yourend in sight was retirement like 35 years down the road. And that was a very dark hole to lookdown for me.Lance Foulis 14:06Yeah, that oh, that's an abyss to look at. Yeah.Shelby 14:09So I learned about myself that, like with education that you just realized you have no morecoffee,Lance Foulis 14:16correct? Well, I was tea, like looked into my mug and like, Yep, it'sShelby 14:19peered on its face. True. So I realized that in education, you have those increments, you know, Ihave to make it from here until Christmas break and then I get you know, some time todecompress. And then I need to make it from here to spring break and then spring break to thesummer and then I get to start all over again. I get to look back and say okay, this didn't worklast year. What did I like that worked? What did I like that didn't work? You know, what can ISSSStweak and then move forward? fresh, new faces, new people? Yeah. You know, new minds tomold. Yeah, all that kind of stuff. So it is very increment driven in education. And that works forme. Yeah. So At that point in time, there was no end in sight. And that was really hard for me tokind of get through. And there was this constant comparison, which I also think is part of amaturity thing. Yeah, I was in that, in that age where everyone else is doing it, everyone else iswinning, I have to do it and when to and so, and these are people that I was close to in college,not just random people that went to the same university as me, but people that I spent timewith in college I was friends with. So there's that wanting to save face not wanting to, youknow, be the one who boughs out kind of situation,Lance Foulis 15:35which is really hard to your point at 23. Because you just you don't know what you don't know.And it just would be so hard. Like, I mean, I can just I can totally just picture that see that in myif that would if that had been my experience. Just Oh, everybody else seems to be doing great.What's why? Why can't I? Why can't I? Right? And that being just a question in your face, rightwould be exhausting? Yes.Shelby 16:01So I think also, like different teams were functioning differently 100% You know, depending onwho you had, in your upper levels, and who I had in my upper levels that were kind of helpingme manage really dictated my success. You know, Laura getting's was one of those people thatwas super inspirational to me and very supportive for me and supportive of me during a timethat it was really difficult for me and so with her support, and guidance, I kind of made itthrough a rough patch. Right. And that's when I was promoted to senior. Yep, at that point,which was kind of the next Yeah,Lance Foulis 16:40cuz remember, there was so funny, you bring that up, and that instantly brings back memoriesthat you just brought up like the, the pressure, there was like, an unwell I don't want to evensay unspoken, but there was definitely a pressure to get to senior. And there was like a, like,you kind of expected to be able to get there within a year, take a couple months. And if he haddidn't, it was kind of like whyShelby 17:05well and not to mention that when I first started everybody in program management had toldme and this was like a direct quote from multiple people. If you can make it in programmanagement for a year you can make it anywhereLance Foulis 17:15that was like well known across the company.SSShelby 17:17I mean in across other companies like they were basically like if you can make it at thiscompany here in this specific role, then you can do you know, you can conquer world peace.Yes. I mean, that's that was a well known fact. So it was to add that added pressure and then toknow that it was something of a feat in itself. Yes, it just conquer the role. But yes, it was youwant to make it to senior you want to get the laptop.Lance Foulis 17:44We talked about that with Natalie's like that way back, then having a laptop was a definitemark of success. For sure in there. Because there was there were a couple seniors I didn't evenremember that that did have laptops and basically meant that you were good to travel. Cuz youremember back then we did. We didn't do traveling. Yeah, on site audits and reissues. Wewould go to the processor and audit things. And that was a mark. Especially like the first timethat you did it. Like that was like, Oh, you've got your own merit badge now. Yep. Yeah.Shelby 18:18So yeah, with with some some good management in place, at that point in time, I was able tokind of make it through, learn what I was doing, get my bearings, people that came in and sawthat things. The way that we had been doing them weren't working, and kind of making someadjustments for us was huge. Yeah. Because I got one client, specifically. And Steve, do youreceive? Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. So Steve, was my manager at that point? That's right. For a veryshort period of time, but he handed me this plan. And he said, This is going to be just, youknow, collateral maintenance is what he said, no big deal. You're just going to send in acollateral order for new issues. Once a month, like no big deal. Yeah. And we had expected tohave 4000 new accounts that first month. And so we only bought enough collateral to issue youknow, four or 5000. Give or take, and we turned around the next month, and we had 40,000new accounts. Yep. 10 times what we were supposed to have, and we had no collateral. Yep.And it was like a four week turnaround for credit cards to be made, which is fast, right?Lance Foulis 19:28In today's terms, that's a very fast turnaround for was for it was usually like four to eightweeks. Okay, I was gonna say that was my point. It got up to like, 12 Yes, there was a supplychain issue and it got to like 12 to 14.Shelby 19:41Yeah, so that became a very stressful client. For me very, very quickly. And it was supposed tobe like my easy peasy.SSSLance Foulis 19:48Yeah. And then it just becomes this monster. And there's it's really hard to pivot. That's a fancyfancy buzzword. It's, it's it's really hard to pivot because you're saying This client? Well, you cantry saying this client is actually really, really, really difficult. And but there's this history. No, it'snot. No, it's all all you have to do is just this little bit. I'm telling you, it's drowning me. Oh, you'llbe okay. Yeah.Shelby 20:15Yeah. So I mean, there were a lot of things that I think not necessarily were like already againstme, but things that made it a little bit more difficult for me to acclimate to the position itself.When I first came in, you know, after about two years, I felt confident, okay, I know what I'mdoing. I can do this. And I think that's really when I started to find myself as a human being andan adult. And you know, what I wanted I liked and I didn't like, that was when my husband and Ireally started taking things a little bit further in our relationship. We got engaged. And it wasright before I decided to leave that role that we got married, right. And so God bless myhusband, he loves me so much. We got married. I locked it down. And then two days later, Iquit my job. I made sure I had that locked down.Lance Foulis 21:13Yeah. Yes, by the way, PS,Shelby 21:17I no longer have income. So I mean, that was a challenging time in life in itself. And I actuallystayed for three weeks after I give a you know, two weeks notice. But I stayed for three, threeweeks. And I really worked super, super hard during those three weeks. To pass Michael, thebinder.Lance Foulis 21:36Yeah, that was your book of business. Yeah, in a really good way, a really good way. You werereally, you were really focused on making sure that you set someone else up for success. Yes,that was a big deal.Shelby 21:48It was a huge deal for me, because I knew what it was like to just be past something that wasnothing when you first started. And the clients that I was passing on, were ones that wereactive every month with multiple programs, they were running, and very specific, intricate, youknow, idiosyncrasies that they wanted, specifically for that client. So I wanted to make sureSSSthat whoever was getting those clients was prepared in what they do every month. And so Iworked really hard in those three weeks. And I remember the day that I left, you all walked meout to my car, Natalie, you Erin, Jen, Ryan, all walked me out to my car, and I was sobbing.Lance Foulis 22:28Oh, it was it was hard. Because we were all so tight. As like we went makes me choke up nowthinking about it. You know, we went through like, because we all like struggled in all of ourways that we struggled with all the clients that we were supporting. And we all like wentthrough growing pains together. We went we did lunches together, we we vented together, wetalked about how we were struggling in our we were close with each other like we would goout, you know, you, myself and our significant others would all get together occasionally. Andlike have a good time. Like we'd go that do happy hours. So it wasn't just like coworkers. It waslike we were friends. We were besties we were work besties Yeah. And so like, yeah, Iremember walking you out and like it felt like a shot to the gut. To all of us.Shelby 23:12It felt like a real, goodbye. Yeah. And you know, going from every day, okay, we're in thistogether, at least I have these people to help me through to really be like, Okay, I'm on myown. And I have no idea what I'm going to do next. And all of these people are not going to beright there. Yeah, you know, a cubicle over.Lance Foulis 23:32So yeah, let's Well, I mean, let's talk about that. Because I don't even think I knew that youdidn't know that you were gonna go back to school at this point. Oh, no, it was like a cleanbreak. You just knew I knew this wasn't for me. Yeah. And you're in a huge life transition. Youjust got married.Shelby 23:46Let's mention that. The week that I got married. I also bought a home. Oh, that's right. I signedmy mortgage. You know, which I've never goneLance Foulis 23:55through a mortgage signing before. You don't you don't know the full extent to what you'redoing when you because it's a it's a giant book of things to sign.Shelby 24:06Oh, yeah. And you're signing your life away. I mean, it's basically saying we will take your life ifyou don't give us our mortgage payment. Yes, exactly. Right. It's really scary as the first timehomeowner you always feelhomeowner you always feelLance Foulis 24:16like I should have I should have like I should have secured myself a lawyer to go through thesedocuments with me.Shelby 24:22I am not smart enough to be looking at this by myself. So that's your first home buyingexperience buying experience. We signed on one Friday and moved in that weekend and thenwe got married on the following Friday. Oh my gosh. That's crazy. Which I don't recommendanyone doing buying a home and planning a wedding at the same time. It was the worst itLance Foulis 24:42self folks out there. Don't do that.Shelby 24:45Don't do it. Don't do it. JustLance Foulis 24:46two separate times are your guyses wedding was really beautiful. We got to go to your to yourwedding. Erin was at my wedding. That's right here it was in your wedding. And we had oursecond we were talking about this before we started recording Our second child, Connor. Boy,he he had just been born. So I was holding in less than a month. Yes. I was holding him duringthe whole ceremony. He was wearing a tuxedo onesie. Fair remember? Oh, wow, I never wouldbe able to remember that. That's, that's a mom memory. Yes, it is. Um, yeah. So that was fun.Like, we had that wonderful memory. And then yeah, so So you literally went from job to no jobhouse responsibility. Marriage. Tell me about the transition.Shelby 25:33So it was really hard for me, because it was the first time that I had ever been without a jobsince I was like 16 years old. And I grew up in a family where it was instilled in us Don't quityour job until you have another job to fall back on. And so it felt like a really big failure that Iwas leaving without anything to fall back on. Geez. And so it was really hard. And I admittedly, Ispent a couple of weeks, maybe months on my couch, just kind of wallowing. Yeah, mysorrows. Trying to figure out if I didn't like this, what would I like, and I applied for a lot of jobsthat were very similar to what I was doing beforehand. And I kept having these conversationsSSSwith my husband and with my sisters and my friends, like, why are you applying for jobs thatare the same as what you were doing before? If you didn't like that, then we need to findsomething different. SoLance Foulis 26:24how would you answer that question?Shelby 26:26So I couldn't answer that question. I don't know. That was my answer. I don't I don't know why Ikeep applying for these jobs. Yeah, you know, it's the exact same job I was doing before. Butthat's what I felt like I was qualified to do. Yeah, with a Communication Studies degree. Andthen this experience, this is what I felt I fit into cookie cutter wise. So I decided that in theinterim, when I was trying to figure out, okay, I'm not gonna apply for any more of these jobs,because clearly, I don't like it. And it's not a fit for me, but I need to figure out what I'm doing.And I need to make some money in the process. My mom, who has been in the education fieldfor now, 25 years, had said, you have a bachelor's degree, come and substitute teach, whileyou're trying to figure it out. It's a daily, you know, paycheck, your daily, you know, pay, it'seasy, you can, you know, you can do it. Yeah. And then you can have time to figure out whatyour what your what you want to do. And so, I started doing that. And honestly, when I wasgoing into college, I had thought, I really like education. And every aptitude test I took in highschool said, you know, teaching was one of those Yep. On the list. Yep. And I did JuniorAchievement. When I was working at our organization. Do you remember that at all? So it was abusiness class, essentially, that you went into different middle schools. And you taught once aweek, a class to like sixth and seventh grade, youLance Foulis 27:53did that while you were at the company? I didn't, I don't remember that.Shelby 27:56Yeah. And I loved it. I taught at New Albany Middle School. And one other one, and I could seeescaping me right now. But you taught them about credit. And you know, all these different,you know, economics, just basic and reporting for kids to learn about, they gave you acurriculum, it was the Junior Achievement curriculum. And you just went in and taught the preplanned lessons, but I loved it. And then I started substitute teaching, and I fell in love with it allover again. And I thought to myself, if I love being in a different classroom, that's not my own.With new kids, every day, then I would really love to have my own space with kids that I couldreally build a relationship with. Yeah. And that's what I loved about it, you know, was buildingthe relationship with the kids and joking around with them and, you know, all that kind of stuff.So I tried the elementary school. I subbed in elementary for like, a day. No, this is not for me.The Little People are not my forte. Did youSSLance Foulis 28:59substitute in in elementary, okay. Yeah, IShelby 29:03served a couple days in elementary and it was just not not where it was at for my kid. I wouldhave a hard time too. Yeah. Love my own little person. Mm hmm. And, you know, other people Ido love children, maybe in smaller Yes.Lance Foulis 29:18groupings. You know,Shelby 29:19I just don't do the whole like Tommy's touching me and snotty nose and, you know, hold handswhile we take a potty break. And that just was not where my Yeah, my groove was, yeah,you're Yes, my age. And then I tried middle school, and I was like, Okay, this is a little better. Ilike this, but they're very, like, emotional. You know, one kid had made fun of another kid andsaid that the other kid thought that I was cute. And embarrass him and he started crying. Andthen I felt like I don't know what to do. Because if I let go over and I console him that it justmakes it worse, right? Don't and I feel very cold hearted. So it's just very awkward situation forme. Yeah. And then I found high school and I was like, these are my people. Yeah, they got myhumor, I could tell them to just go away for a minute when I needed a second.Lance Foulis 30:07And this is still just you're substituting stuff, just figuringShelby 30:10it out. Wow. And so then I started looking into programs of how I could get my teaching license.And that's when I found Ashland University's bachelor Plus program. And they worked with mein the classes that I had for my undergrad. Because, again, while I was an undergrad, I took alot of education electives, because it was something that I was interested in interesting. And Ireally felt like, and I think I've told you this before. I feel like looking back when I was in thecorporate role, there were different points throughout. Where God kept saying to me, you're onthe wrong path. You're on the wrong road, you need to turn right. Mm hmm. And there weredifferent points, where it would be very, very clear, like you need to turn and I would just say,Nope, I got to make this work. I started on this road. This is the road we're taking. There are noalternates. Yeah. And then eventually it got to a point where he just put a dead end. Yeah. Andhe was like, Nope, you only go right. Yeah. And so then when I turned right, the road was a lotless bumpy and a lot more enjoyable. And it was really hard. Because when I started going toschool, back to school, I was substitute teaching full time, so five days a week. And then ISSSdecided I was going to coach cheerleading. Oh, that's right. I kind of remember that. Yeah. So Iwas coaching some of the kids that I was subbing because I was a long term sub. And I wasalso working at roosters at that time, I was waitressingLance Foulis 31:44back to do, because you had done that I asked life. Yeah.Shelby 31:48So I went back just because it was extra money. And you know, I had a new mortgage and allthat kind of stuff. So I was working effectively like three jobs. Yeah. And then going to schoolfull time for a year and a half. So it was a grind for sure.Lance Foulis 32:01When did you go to classes.Shelby 32:03So it was a lot of like, very self paced. But it was all online. And so I would kind of get thesyllabus and it would say these things are due, you know, this week, you need to read this. Andthen this paper is due on Sunday, and you have a discussion board post and two responseskind of thing. So nights, weekends when I wasn't at a game or at a at a practice. Yeah, that waswhen I was doing the work.Lance Foulis 32:32So what did it feel like? Did you feel like motivated? Did you just get into a little like a grooveand just head down?Shelby 32:38Yeah, I mean, I think I saw the end, I saw what I could have at the end. And that was reallyinspiring to me plus what I was learning, I really loved. Yeah. SoLance Foulis 32:48that was that was you were you were like really enjoying the content of the classes that youwere taking?Shelby 32:53SSSSShelby 32:53Yeah, because I didn't I had so many credit hours for my undergrad in English. Yeah, I didn'treally have to take a ton of English classes, more of it was, you know, my methods andinstructional, like the pedagogy type classes that I had to take. So I was really learning whatthat word mean. I was learning howLance Foulis 33:10to while you were talking, I was searching my brain. And then I realized nope, I'm not going tofind it rotary have Yeah.Shelby 33:16So basically, the the method of teaching, okay. I was, I was learning how to teach notnecessarily what to teach, but but how to go about it, different protocols, that we use activitiesthat you can do with the kids to get to a deeper level of learning, and you know, those types ofthings. So creating lesson plans, and what goes into that, and what is a 504 plan versus an IEPplan and, you know, different things that you need to know on the day to day when you're inthe classroom. Yeah, I will say the best preparation for having my own classroom was being inclassrooms as a substitute teacher that I couldn't get in a classroom on my own. It's just theexperience of being with kids. Yep. So I mean, learning classroom management was huge forme,Lance Foulis 34:08tell me more about classroom management,Shelby 34:11you know, creating an environment where you are the authority of the classroom, but then youalso are creating an environment where students can lead their own learning. Hmm. So I amkind of the facilitator. Yeah, but I'm also the authority of what happens in this classroom. So Iam responsible and liable for all of the 30 bodies in my classroom right now. And I have to beable to assert myself as that authority in that classroom. And so effectively managing thebehavior of my students Yeah, is something that some teachers struggle with. It's somethingthat some teachers come into naturally. And every year it changes and every class period thatchanges my methods for every class change, because it's a different set of students. Yeah, andit can change if a couple of students are absent that day, or you know, I Get students that Ihave to watch for another teacher who's out that day, right? I have to cover a class for anotherteacher. And so I get additional students in. So you have to be constantly willing to adjustbased on what's going on in your classroom. Got it. And not every day is me sitting in front ofstudents and lecturing to them. And they're just silently taking notes, right? It's you're doinggallery walks in your classroom, and you're doing interactive activities, where they're talking toeach other, or, you know, doing group work or reading aloud. And so being able to managetheir behavior along with instilling the content, and developing the content is its own separateskill,SSSLance Foulis 35:42no doubt, no doubt. So when you're substitute teaching, are you only doing certain subjects?Shelby 35:48No, I was in I was in every subject. Most of the time, though, it was they already knew whatthey were doing. Okay. And I was just kind of there to manage, collect everything they weredoing since you know, I wasn't really responsible for teaching content, especially in high school.More. So in elementary, you might be like going through specific activities with them. Yeah. Butit was kind of pass out a worksheet, you know, now when I'm out and I have a sub in myclassroom, everything's electronic. So I say check the agenda on Google Classroom, orwhatever platform we're using. And so for my notes for the substitute, you know, their agendasare on the virtual platform, have them check in and everything is hyperlinked to the documentsthat can turn it in electronically. So they just have to kind of like sit there and watch the kidsmake sure that they're not murdering each other.Lance Foulis 36:40So that's fair, when you were going to school, did you figure out what you wanted to teach?Shelby 36:45I always knew I wanted English. Okay, you alwaysLance Foulis 36:48knew from from day one, but I did have to decide whatShelby 36:51level and I chose seven through 12. Because that was where my niche was my niche, yourniche? was?Lance Foulis 37:00Was it? Well, we can get into that in a second. That's, that's a later question. I want to know. SoI'm, I'm just picturing you. You're newly married, which is his own challenge you have you stillhave responsibilities, house payments, and everything else. Tell me about how the relationshipstuff worked out? Like how did your new marriage? How was it during this time? HowSSSShelby 37:20did it survive? Yeah. A lot of grace, I will say, for my husband, a lot of understanding that, youknow, I Yes, had quit my job and put us in a financial, more of a financial burden situation. But Ithink he really saw and understood that I was trying my best to contribute as much as I could,to our financial goals and our financial situation. So he was very understanding provided a lot ofopportunity for me when he could to have kind of space to get my stuff done. And kind of hetook on a lot more than I was able to at that point in time. So I have to give a lot of credit to, tomy husband, I had amazing support from my family and my friends, whenever I kind of neededsomething. You know, but it was really just time management. And oh, yeah, it was just a grind.So he understood that was very supportive. Yeah, throughout that whole thing, but it was hard.I mean, we had to make some financial choices. And looking back, we both say that it was onlyby the grace of God that we were able, you know, to make it and for some reason, we never, itnever got to a point where we couldn't pay a bill, which was very strange, because, you know, Iwas making a good salary that ILance Foulis 38:42just left that you it's not a it's, it's the type of salary that's not easy to replace, right? It's not,Shelby 38:47it's not easy to walk away from. So, you know, I cut our income pretty much in half. Andsomehow, we got through, we got we got through the period, whether I mean, there were somethings that were divine in those in those months, like, you know, we would get a refund checkfor something that happened to be very similar to a random bill or an increase in our water billthat we weren't expecting. And oh, yeah, those things that we couldn't really account for. But,you know, my husband and I are Christians. And so we attribute that to, you know, just Godlooking out and yeah, and being a part of our lives and yeah, and that kind of stuff. So, it washard. Yep. But I think it actually helped us in our marriage. Major, stronger. We Yeah, we got alot closer. We learned how to manage things together.Lance Foulis 39:41Yeah. So Yeah. When did when did your daughter come? Come into the picture?Shelby 39:47So she came in, I got my job with my current district. And then at the end of that first year ofteaching, I found out I was pregnant with my daughter got it. And then I delivered her thebeginning of my second year teaching. So I always laugh and like joke with my colleaguesabout how I've never had a full actual, like normal year of teaching because my first year, I hadsome wonky stuff going on at the beginning. And then I had, I had gotten pregnant with mydaughter, and I was super sick all the time. You know, from February until May, which was thevery end of that year. And then the second year, I was out for 12 weeks on maternity leave, ISSSwas like waddling around like a penguin, you know, for the first couple of months of school. Andthen I was out for a while. So that wasn't really a normal year. And then my third year, inMarch, everything shut down.Lance Foulis 40:44Yeah. So shut down. COVID. Yeah,Shelby 40:48yeah. So my first year was the 1718. school year. My second year was the 18 19/3. year when Ihad come back from having my daughter was I was like a skinny, my first normal year, right. Igot it together. I know what I'm doing. I know what to expect. And then March happened, and itwas like, Okay, we're going on spring break. And then it was like, just kidding. We're getting anextra week of spring break, who? And then it was like, Can we come back in? Yeah, we have tostill have to be inside. Oh, God don't have to be inside. That sounds awful. And so then westarted teaching the rest of the year, virtually, yeah. From Home, which was hard in itself. Wewere living with my parents at that point, because we had decided to sell our home and build ahouse. And so, you know, teaching from home with my toddler and my parents all in one house.Yeah. And my mom is education as well. She was home all day every day.Lance Foulis 41:42Your mom's at the same school? No, no. What does she teach?Shelby 41:45She's actually the principal secretary. Oh, yeah. So like run stuff. Anybody who's educationknows that? Like the secretaries run stuff?Lance Foulis 41:54Okay. Got it. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. And she, she did that your whole life? Okay. Yeah. Soyou I mean, you had like a window into education during this whole time. So that makes sense.So, yeah, I mean, I'm just fascinated by well, okay, so I'm back up, we had a really hard year in2019. And it is miraculous that we made it out of that time. And then the aftermath of that,trying to pick up the pieces of that 2019 year, Kim's house got really bad. And during that year,and then, and then there was a lot of financial impact that happened on the back end of that.So it is really amazing. The support that we had, and however, we made it through that asdefinitely divine, because we shouldn't have made it through that. So it's really fascinating.When you think about the hard times that you walk through, that you go through, you reallyneed to look and see where you're being protected. And where. Yeah, that it could be it couldbe worse.SSShelby 43:00Yeah. Where that grace is being extended? Yes. Yeah.Lance Foulis 43:02Yeah. So tell me more about? Yeah, just the adjustment.Shelby 43:07So then my, my so my third year, we, you know, back half of that year, March to May was allvirtual, and then we started the year, you know, 2020, all virtual. So go, you know, started thatyear at my parents house, moved into our new house in November was still all virtual. When Iwas supposed to come back to school after kind of the work going back, hybrid learning, hybridlearning. My husband got COVID. And so I was home for 14 days, again, still working fromhome. So it was like, Yes, I get to go back to work. No, I don't. So that was a hard blow. Butthen that fourth year of teaching, so my last year of teaching was a hybrid. So I had a handfulor more of kids in my classroom. And then I had the rest of them virtually on Zoom. So I had myclassroom setup kind of flipped backwards, I had a big, what are called clever touch, or SmartTouch boards in the back. And I would have, it was like a giant computer screen essentially, iswhat it is. And so I would have my kids on Zoom, pulled up. And I had my desks for my studentsturn to the back of the room. And by camera at the very back of the room. So I could see mykids on Zoom and my kids in front of me at the same time. Oh my god. So having to manageworking with students virtually online, manage like a chat room that's going on on Zoom. Andthen Manage students in the classroom and trying to give one on one attention to thosestudents in both realms. was incredibly difficult. And there were a lot of districts that even wenton strike because they were like, This is not manageable.Lance Foulis 44:47Right. The teacher sounds like you're doing three jobs. At the same time.Shelby 44:50It was really really hard to do both and but we gave you know, we had to give the kids theoption. They have to get an education and a lot of people it's they still weren't comfortablecoming back into the building. Yeah. And then to do all of that fully masked right now. And itwas it was,Lance Foulis 45:09you guys have the most challenging conditions between peopleShelby 45:12SSSSShelby 45:12know, they had to be every other desk. Sure, at least. And, you know, maintaining six feet, allthat kind of stuff. So it was really, really difficult. It was hard, it was hard for the kids, it washard for usLance Foulis 45:27what's really gonna say what have you? What do you feel like you've noticed the psychologicalimpact on that age group going through COVID.Shelby 45:35It's significant, the psychological and educational. So part of it was that I taught to blackscreens 90% of the time, because they would not turn their camera on. It was hard. You know, Iwould just see their little name. So there were kids that came back to school this year. Andthey're like, Hey, Miss Smith.Lance Foulis 45:54You're like, I don't know who you are, who you are.Shelby 45:57I am so and so. And I'm like, oh, that's what you look like. Wow. So I mean, it was crazy. Themcoming back this year, and, and getting to see who they are. But I couldn't tell if they wereasleep. Yeah, you know, I would have to yell their name a couple of times before they mightrespond in the chat.Lance Foulis 46:13Yeah. But oh, in the chat, so not even in microphone very rarely.Shelby 46:18Very rarely would they?Lance Foulis 46:20Just that just sounds like morale in the gutter.Shelby 46:23Mm hmm. It was it was. It was really hard for them. Because it's a lot of a lot of selfSSSSSMm hmm. It was it was. It was really hard for them. Because it's a lot of a lot of selfmanagement and personal responsibility that they have to take and waking themselves up andgetting themselves to their zoom class and, you know, not having their favorite Netflix show or,you know, there would kids be kids that I could hear when they would unmute themselvesevery once in a while I would hear their video games and the clickety clack. No.Lance Foulis 46:52It actually hear the audio of the video game. Yeah. Would you would you hear the the thecontroller noises?Shelby 46:57Yep. Oh, wow. Yep. And then I would have kids that were really funny. And they would say, I'llbe right back. I'm gonna go cook some eggs.Lance Foulis 47:04Well, hot in the middle of class, middle class. No, I just I mean, like, I can't picture. It's been along time since I've been in high school. I can't. And I was homeschooled. So it was a you hadto do things like on your own, like self initiative and everything. But I, I can't imagine just beingtold Yeah, you're not allowed to come back to school, and then being home every day,especially if you're like in your room or something. So then you spend the whole night in yourroom, then you spend the whole day going to school in your room. And then,Shelby 47:35so I really tried tried to encourage my students to find a different place in their house. Thatwasn't their bed. Yeah. Because when I am in my bed, I want to nap. Yes. Like, my bed is forsleeping. Yes. So a lot of them have that same mentality. So they would wake up at eighto'clock in the morning and join my class, and then I would hear them snoring. Oh, my God, theyjust wouldn't be there. Yeah, at all. Yeah. Or it would come the end of class. And it would betime for them to switch and login to their next class. And they would still be lingering on myscreen because they were asleep and hadn't so then I would have to like, kick them off. Yeah.So it was really hard. It was hard for us to encourage the kids and to inspire the kids and tokeep, you know, on track with them. But there was this, like, social emotional drainage thathappened with them, it just they need to be with each other. They need that social aspect, thatinteraction, right, and they weren't getting it. And it was really, really hard. So we came in thisyear, knowing that we had a deficit of learning to fill, no doubt early on.Lance Foulis 48:37So like, what's the situation now in the schools? Are you still like is it still hybrid is it still masks.SSShelby 48:45So at the beginning of the year, we gave students an option to do a Virtual Academy, whichwas essentially they would be all online, but that would be managed by a separate group. So Iwas only responsible for the kids that were in my classroom got it. However, if there were kidswho weren't doing what they were supposed to and keeping up and you know, after the firstquarter, they were failing, that kind of stuff, then they were removed from the virtual optionand brought back into the building. Got it. So we don't have very many, if any, that are still inthat virtual option. I mean, it's a very small percentage, a lot smaller than it was at thebeginning of the year. Got it. And so we've had full class, full class sizes. And then just this pastweek, we removed the mask mandate, which I'm actually surprised. Yeah, I'm surprised thatthe number of kids who are still wearing masks, I'm also surprised at the number of kids whoare wearing masks like as a chin strap.Lance Foulis 49:42Yeah, right.Shelby 49:43It's like, like, what's the point of that? There's just no point. They're like, well, it's in casesomebody like starts coughing. It's already too late dude.Lance Foulis 49:49So is it is it is it a yes. Is it a situation where they're not mandated anymore? But the kids arestill concerned. And or maybe the family answer could be probably both. It just depends. Yeah.Shelby 50:04I think it's interesting. The ones who just like wear it, you know, as an accent, accessory now?Lance Foulis 50:11Well, I mean, I'm, I'm curious about that too, because at this point, you have people that havebeen doing it for two years at the age levels that they've been doing it and like it. How muchhas the mask? And things like the mask social distancing just become a part of right. Andbecause,Shelby 50:29well, I have found during the day, right or doing it when I went the first day that we wentwithout mask, which was I think, last Monday, kids started coming in my room, and Iimmediately thought, oh, my gosh, where's my mask? You know? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. And thenSSSSI thought, Oh, I don't have to have it. Yeah. And so there, you know, it was it's mental. And still,I mean, a week later, I'm still like, like,Lance Foulis 50:51a type of conditioning that almost. Yeah, so even now, like a week later, like, it's still thoughtyou'll Oh, wait. Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, gosh, yeah. I just said. I mean, I'm just I'm just picturing it. Ican't imagine being 17 years old and like,Shelby 51:09wearing a mask be what your learning experience has been for the last two years?Lance Foulis 51:13Or, I mean, I feel real bad. I think my niece was in this one of my nieces was in this boat senioryear is when it all went down. No graduation.Shelby 51:20Nope. No prom. No prom. Yeah, that means something. That class of 2020. Really, really took ithard. Yeah. And I had a lot of students that were, you know, crying to me on during classes.This isn't fair. Why did this have to happen to us?Lance Foulis 51:39Yeah, like that's, I mean, how could you not think that like every class before us has been ableto do everything in now my class doesn't? For some people, that's a really significant deal. Oh,yeah.Shelby 51:50Because we did have a virtual graduation that they could attend. It was like a drive thru. Sothere, you couldn't have anybody there. But you could show up. You grabbed your diploma. Youtook a picture and it was all live streamed. Yeah, your family could watch you walk across thefake stage.Lance Foulis 52:05You have this idea of what this event is going to be like, and you earned it. Like you spent fouryears doing work and there I can just picture like certain kids that I knew that did really good inschool, and that was like they worked at it. Oh, yeah. And they got good grades and everything.It's like I I did it I accomplished it. I'm going to go walk armor. I always homeschooled so I didn'tSSSdo this whole walking thing. But all my friends went to Dublin sewed or Kilburn. So I went to alltheir stuff. And I just remember like, good gracious Dublin site. I think it was like four hours oflistening the name calls to get through the whole class, something like that. But yeah, there'sjust this, this thing about i i conquered this thing. Yeah. It's a huge accomplishment. Yes.Making it through high school. And then and then No, you don't graduate, even parties, rightgraduation parties. That was a huge event back in the day when you go to all your friendsgraduateShelby 53:00that point. I mean, you it was mandated that you could have not have more than 10 people inthe same time. So noLance Foulis 53:06graduation party. It's so that's so I'm, I'm I've said this on a few different podcasts. We've beentalking about this kind of stuff. But I'm really curious because I don't think we know the totalsocial impact or anything like that, for the generation that went through this, whether it's highschool or college, like just younger people in general elementary school, like what is theimpact? Because two years is a long time very long time at that age. So. So anyway, how muchnow that the mask mandate is gone? Do you feel like what percentage normal does it feel toyou?Shelby 53:41It feels like we're on our way back to a normal. I feels like the whole year that we've beenslowly working our way back to what we used to consider normal. You know, there are newthings in place now that are the new normal. But even that, like the new normal was like backin school, but with masks, so the oddball out was the person that like didn't have their mask onin the hallway. And then I would be asking, Hey, do you have mask? Mm hmm. And they go,yeah, it's right here. And they like put it on lately. And me, I'm always, always the bearer of badnews. You have to be transcon. Yeah, it's terrible. You're gonna have to learn to say I have toplay math. Yeah. So even you know, that shift now has kind of thrown a wrench in things wherewe're just kind of like I tried. I'm catching myself not telling students. Do you have a mathcourse this right. It's crazy. Wild, but it is it's becoming a new normal. And, you know, gettingback to some semblance of what we were before and that's really refreshing. I think, for a lot ofour students. Oh, yeah.Lance Foulis 54:42When's graduation this year? This year? It's the end of May into May. Okay. All right. Yeah. SoShelby 54:47last year, we had it but it was outside. It was beautiful day. I think people felt a lot morecomfortable being outside versus being in a confined space. So that was really nice. YouSSScomfortable being outside versus being in a confined space. So that was really nice. YouLance Foulis 55:01Okay, last couple questions here. I would love to know if you could sit down with your 23 yearold self that's been working where we worked for a year, what advice would you give yourself?Because there's not gonna be you know, there's people in your position, or years to school fouror five years to school to study a thing, they got the job to realize it's not what they want to do.Yes. What would you say to yourself?Shelby 55:26I would say, first of all, I would tell myself, it's okay. Hmm. It's okay, that you're not, you're notgood at this thing. Or it's okay, that this isn't what's working out for you. That's okay. Because Ithink for me, it was really hard to get to that point to know that it was it was alright. And itwould be okay. Yeah. One, I would say that there is something out there that you are meantfor, you know, that is better suited for you. And it's not, there's no point in being miserable. Oh,gosh, you know, what I've learned is that life is supposed to be happy. And if it's not, then thereare things that can change to make it happier for you. And so it takes a lot of personalreflection, and taking a deep look inward to see what is the problem? Is it the job? Is it me? Is ityou know, who I'm with? romantically? Is it, you know, that I'm allowing toxic people to be apart of my life? What is the problem? And whatever that is, it can be fixed. You know, I think arefreshing thought for me when I was in that role was I had to remind myself, this isn't the endof the world. Yeah, you know, and a lot of times in those roles because there was a lot ofmoney riding on some of the programs we were working on and some of the clients that wewere working with, it felt like it was the end of the worldLance Foulis 56:54felt like you were executing brain surgery on some really make it and then you're like, nope,Shelby 57:00right. So what I will tell you, I mean, if you are a brain surgeon or a you know cardiothoracicsurgeon then yes, it is a life or death situation. In my role. It was not it was a making it out tobe and so I needed to realize that it's a job. Yeah. And life should be so much more than a job.Now as an educator, that's a huge part of my life, and a huge part of my life that I love.Because I love working with my kids. I love building relationships with them. I love having oneon one talks where they can come to me and and cry or laugh or joke around or you know, Iused to dance down the aisle ways that at our building and I dance in my classroom just aboutevery day I will put on 90s music and we will jam out why we're doing essay revision.Lance Foulis 57:47What's your favorite song to do this to? Oh,SSShelby 57:49I mean anything Whitney Houston 90s r&b? Can anybodyLance Foulis 57:56give me an example of 90s? r&b That's not my genre.Shelby 57:59Why? Oh, it's not what? I don't know. You guys metalLance Foulis 58:03was my John. Oh, dear.Shelby 58:06That's what eyes. Yeah, I mean, you have Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey.Lance Foulis 58:14Oh, Mariah Carey. Got it.Shelby 58:16You got Bell Biv DeVoe. You got color me badd? All for one? Boys to Men? Shout out to boys. Tome. It looks like you too. Oh, yeah. You know, I had a couple. But like 90s, early 2000s wasyeah, my general feeling. Yes. So my kids are always trying to get me like up on the latest law?Or does something. You know, they're like, Have you heard of the baby? And I'm like, Who?Lance Foulis 58:42Now? Is this on a compact disk to still have a CD collection?Shelby 58:45No, this is like Pandora or Spotify. So yeah, but all jam out my classroom to my kids and justcreating a space where we can have fun. And I like to take what I've learned in terms of how Iconsider what I that I didn't make it or couldn't make it work at my corporate job. Yeah, I like to,SSSSSI'm very open with my students about that. And that it's okay to fail as long as you try to failforward. Yeah, so that's a big buzzword in my classroom is that we try and fail forward, youmay have failed this essay. But let's look at how we can revise it to make it better. Or let's takewhat we've learned from this and move it to the next. The next thing, you're not always gonnaget a win at everything. Even those people who look like they're winning all the time, becausethey failed a lot. It's because they failed a lot. Yeah. Or they're failing and they're just nothighlighting that on Instagram. Yeah, absolutely. You know, this day and social media,everything is, you know, I get to pick and choose what I want people to see. And that can bevery deceiving. Yes, and dangerous and dangerous. So you know, making sure that theyunderstand that everyone has pitfalls. And it's what you do with that. That's most important.How do you fail forward? How do you move on from this to make yourself better?Lance Foulis 59:56And I love that. Yeah, I mean, the Falling failing forward. That's so key, I always such a, I can'tfail. I've got a, I've got to get this thing done. It's like what you're describing is a lot of like whatI went through when I was in aviation school at at OSU when it came to the point where I wasn'tgoing to do it anymore. And I knew it was incredibly devastating. And I did not go throughprobably the next 10 years very gracefully. Because I that was my identity up to that point.Yeah,Shelby 1:00:26I actually used you as an example in my class the other day, you did I did, we were talkingabout, you know, picking colleges and under, you know, figuring out what you wanted to do ifcollege was the right thing, or what major it was it you know, all that kind of stuff. And studentswere asking me questions like, well, if I go in as a business major, but I decide that's not what Iwant to do. Do I have to stick with that? No, right? We talked about all those things. This is yourtime to figure it out. And I said, that doesn't end after college. Right. So I said for me, you know,I worked five years in a genre or a thank you, industry that I wasn't cut out for. And it took mefive years to figure out this is not where I belong. And then I figured it out. And I'm so muchhappier. And you're okay. And I'm okay. And I said and you know, I have this friend that Iworked with in marketing, and he went to school for aviation. And yeah, I said, and then, youknow, I'm pretty sure right about the time you graduated, was 2000 1am i 911. Yeah, it wasLance Foulis 1:01:23that was so I 11 happened probably a year before I went into flight school. Okay, so I was alllike, I can still do this. I'll be fine. It'll be it'll be fine. We'll bounce back. I can go into debt foraviation. I'm going to be a pilot. Yeah, matter what,Shelby 1:01:39right? Oh, well, it'll all work out. Oh, I didn't know. And that's okay.SSLance Foulis 1:01:46And boy, did I need somebody like you to be like, it's okay. Here's how you can fail for x. I didn'treallyShelby 1:01:53well. And I said what we had people who were in our wasn't Starla like a English major orsomething. Did she? I didn't know what she did. I want to say somebody else in that row waslike English education or just like an English major. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And was working inmarketing, you know? Yeah. So I said, just because you picked a path. Right now, when you're2122 years old, and you have no idea what you want in life. Yeah. Doesn't mean that's whatyou have to stick towards. So you were one of my examples as well. That'sLance Foulis 1:02:22awesome. I'm glad I could be and we saw how successful you are. Oh, thank you. I kind of Yes, Imade it. Appr