Podcasts about boba guys

Early last year I spoke with Boba Guys co-founders Andrew Chau and Bin Chen. At the time Andrew had just gotten back from visiting Taiwan and other parts of Asia, so it was interesting to hear his observations. Andrew and Bin shared so many great nuggets. We talked about how they got started with a pop-up shop while working fulltime and how they continued to so even after they opened their first few stores.   Related Links: https://talkingtaiwan.com/the-boba-guys-andrew-chau-and-bin-chen-bubble-tea-entrepreneurs-bridging-cultures-for-11-years/   Other topics covered include how Boba Guys weathered the pandemic, Andrew and Bin's book called The Boba Book, and how they see boba as a way to bridge cultures. What has Boba Guys been up to since we spoke? Lots of interesting collabs with other brands, and the release of a loyalty program called “Passport” which gamifies the experience through loot boxes instead of linearly earning points to redeem for a drink.    Here's a little preview of what we talked about in this podcast episode:   ·      How Andrew and Bin first met when they both worked at Timbuktu ·      How they decided to start a bubble tea business ·      Andrew's recent trip to Taiwan and the other Taiwanese Americans he met up with while there ·      Andrew's thoughts on Taiwan's bubble tea scene ·      How they started with a pop-up shop ·      How they have not taken any VC (venture capital) money ·      The social costs and risks of being an entrepreneur ·      How other Taiwanese American entrepreneurs like Steve Chen and Kevin Lin mentored them ·      How Andrew does advising for the small business council and testified in Washington D.C. on behalf of small businesses ·      How they were working on Boba Guys Japan when the pandemic hit ·      How Boba Guys dealt with the pandemic ·      The biggest challenges they've experienced ·      The third wave of boba ·      The meaning of the word boba and how Andrew's mom reacted to the name Boba Guys ·      How Boba Guys name their drinks ·      Their book, The Boba Book and how they choose their co-author Richard Parks ·      What happened when they went to Taiwan and tried to determine which tea shop invented bubble tea ·      The Boba Guys' merchandise and aardvark mascot ·      The Boba Home Kit and how they created a boba kit that was on Williams Sonoma ·      How they teach people how to make boba online ·      How they have mentored other entrepreneurs   Related Links: https://talkingtaiwan.com/the-boba-guys-andrew-chau-and-bin-chen-bubble-tea-entrepreneurs-bridging-cultures-for-11-years/

Matt Smolin is the Co-Founder & CEO of Hang, an interactive omnichannel loyalty platform used by brands like Roam Burgers, Boba Guys, and Budweiser. In this episode we'll talk about the lack of personalization in today's loyalty ecosystem, how Hang is leveraging minigames to unlock 50% greater spend for its restaurants, and the importance of omnichannel loyalty.

Our next 2 big events are AI UX and the World's Fair. Join and apply to speak/sponsor!Due to timing issues we didn't have an interview episode to share with you this week, but not to worry, we have more than enough “weekend special” content in the backlog for you to get your Latent Space fix, whether you like thinking about the big picture, or learning more about the pod behind the scenes, or talking Groq and GPUs, or AI Leadership, or Personal AI. Enjoy!AI BreakdownThe indefatigable NLW had us back on his show for an update on the Four Wars, covering Sora, Suno, and the reshaped GPT-4 Class Landscape:and a longer segment on AI Engineering trends covering the future LLM landscape (Llama 3, GPT-5, Gemini 2, Claude 4), Open Source Models (Mistral, Grok), Apple and Meta's AI strategy, new chips (Groq, MatX) and the general movement from baby AGIs to vertical Agents:Thursday Nights in AIWe're also including swyx's interview with Josh Albrecht and Ali Rohde to reintroduce swyx and Latent Space to a general audience, and engage in some spicy Q&A:Dylan Patel on GroqWe hosted a private event with Dylan Patel of SemiAnalysis (our last pod here):Not all of it could be released so we just talked about our Groq estimates:Milind Naphade - Capital OneIn relation to conversations at NeurIPS and Nvidia GTC and upcoming at World's Fair, we also enjoyed chatting with Milind Naphade about his AI Leadership work at IBM, Cisco, Nvidia, and now leading the AI Foundations org at Capital One. We covered:* Milind's learnings from ~25 years in machine learning * His first paper citation was 24 years ago* Lessons from working with Jensen Huang for 6 years and being CTO of Metropolis * Thoughts on relevant AI research* GTC takeaways and what makes NVIDIA specialIf you'd like to work on building solutions rather than platform (as Milind put it), his Applied AI Research team at Capital One is hiring, which falls under the Capital One Tech team.Personal AI MeetupIt all started with a meme:Within days of each other, BEE, FRIEND, EmilyAI, Compass, Nox and LangFriend were all launching personal AI wearables and assistants. So we decided to put together a the world's first Personal AI meetup featuring creators and enthusiasts of wearables. The full video is live now, with full show notes within.Timestamps* [00:01:13] AI Breakdown Part 1* [00:02:20] Four Wars* [00:13:45] Sora* [00:15:12] Suno* [00:16:34] The GPT-4 Class Landscape* [00:17:03] Data War: Reddit x Google* [00:21:53] Gemini 1.5 vs Claude 3* [00:26:58] AI Breakdown Part 2* [00:27:33] Next Frontiers: Llama 3, GPT-5, Gemini 2, Claude 4* [00:31:11] Open Source Models - Mistral, Grok* [00:34:13] Apple MM1* [00:37:33] Meta's $800b AI rebrand* [00:39:20] AI Engineer landscape - from baby AGIs to vertical Agents* [00:47:28] Adept episode - Screen Multimodality* [00:48:54] Top Model Research from January Recap* [00:53:08] AI Wearables* [00:57:26] Groq vs Nvidia month - GPU Chip War* [01:00:31] Disagreements* [01:02:08] Summer 2024 Predictions* [01:04:18] Thursday Nights in AI - swyx* [01:33:34] Dylan Patel - Semianalysis + Latent Space Live Show* [01:34:58] GroqTranscript[00:00:00] swyx: Welcome to the Latent Space Podcast Weekend Edition. This is Charlie, your AI co host. Swyx and Alessio are off for the week, making more great content. We have exciting interviews coming up with Elicit, Chroma, Instructor, and our upcoming series on NSFW, Not Safe for Work AI. In today's episode, we're collating some of Swyx and Alessio's recent appearances, all in one place for you to find.[00:00:32] swyx: In part one, we have our first crossover pod of the year. In our listener survey, several folks asked for more thoughts from our two hosts. In 2023, Swyx and Alessio did crossover interviews with other great podcasts like the AI Breakdown, Practical AI, Cognitive Revolution, Thursday Eye, and Chinatalk, all of which you can find in the Latentspace About page.[00:00:56] swyx: NLW of the AI Breakdown asked us back to do a special on the 4Wars framework and the AI engineer scene. We love AI Breakdown as one of the best examples Daily podcasts to keep up on AI news, so we were especially excited to be back on Watch out and take[00:01:12] NLW: care[00:01:13] AI Breakdown Part 1[00:01:13] NLW: today on the AI breakdown. Part one of my conversation with Alessio and Swix from Latent Space.[00:01:19] NLW: All right, fellas, welcome back to the AI Breakdown. How are you doing? I'm good. Very good. With the last, the last time we did this show, we were like, oh yeah, let's do check ins like monthly about all the things that are going on and then. Of course, six months later, and, you know, the, the, the world has changed in a thousand ways.[00:01:36] NLW: It's just, it's too busy to even, to even think about podcasting sometimes. But I, I'm super excited to, to be chatting with you again. I think there's, there's a lot to, to catch up on, just to tap in, I think in the, you know, in the beginning of 2024. And, and so, you know, we're gonna talk today about just kind of a, a, a broad sense of where things are in some of the key battles in the AI space.[00:01:55] NLW: And then the, you know, one of the big things that I, that I'm really excited to have you guys on here for us to talk about where, sort of what patterns you're seeing and what people are actually trying to build, you know, where, where developers are spending their, their time and energy and, and, and any sort of, you know, trend trends there, but maybe let's start I guess by checking in on a framework that you guys actually introduced, which I've loved and I've cribbed a couple of times now, which is this sort of four wars of the, of the AI stack.[00:02:20] Four Wars[00:02:20] NLW: Because first, since I have you here, I'd love, I'd love to hear sort of like where that started gelling. And then and then maybe we can get into, I think a couple of them that are you know, particularly interesting, you know, in the, in light of[00:02:30] swyx: some recent news. Yeah, so maybe I'll take this one. So the four wars is a framework that I came up around trying to recap all of 2023.[00:02:38] swyx: I tried to write sort of monthly recap pieces. And I was trying to figure out like what makes one piece of news last longer than another or more significant than another. And I think it's basically always around battlegrounds. Wars are fought around limited resources. And I think probably the, you know, the most limited resource is talent, but the talent expresses itself in a number of areas.[00:03:01] swyx: And so I kind of focus on those, those areas at first. So the four wars that we cover are the data wars, the GPU rich, poor war, the multi modal war, And the RAG and Ops War. And I think you actually did a dedicated episode to that, so thanks for covering that. Yeah, yeah.[00:03:18] NLW: Not only did I do a dedicated episode, I actually used that.[00:03:22] NLW: I can't remember if I told you guys. I did give you big shoutouts. But I used it as a framework for a presentation at Intel's big AI event that they hold each year, where they have all their folks who are working on AI internally. And it totally resonated. That's amazing. Yeah, so, so, what got me thinking about it again is specifically this inflection news that we recently had, this sort of, you know, basically, I can't imagine that anyone who's listening wouldn't have thought about it, but, you know, inflection is a one of the big contenders, right?[00:03:53] NLW: I think probably most folks would have put them, you know, just a half step behind the anthropics and open AIs of the world in terms of labs, but it's a company that raised 1. 3 billion last year, less than a year ago. Reed Hoffman's a co founder Mustafa Suleyman, who's a co founder of DeepMind, you know, so it's like, this is not a a small startup, let's say, at least in terms of perception.[00:04:13] NLW: And then we get the news that basically most of the team, it appears, is heading over to Microsoft and they're bringing in a new CEO. And you know, I'm interested in, in, in kind of your take on how much that reflects, like hold aside, I guess, you know, all the other things that it might be about, how much it reflects this sort of the, the stark.[00:04:32] NLW: Brutal reality of competing in the frontier model space right now. And, you know, just the access to compute.[00:04:38] Alessio: There are a lot of things to say. So first of all, there's always somebody who's more GPU rich than you. So inflection is GPU rich by startup standard. I think about 22, 000 H100s, but obviously that pales compared to the, to Microsoft.[00:04:55] Alessio: The other thing is that this is probably good news, maybe for the startups. It's like being GPU rich, it's not enough. You know, like I think they were building something pretty interesting in, in pi of their own model of their own kind of experience. But at the end of the day, you're the interface that people consume as end users.[00:05:13] Alessio: It's really similar to a lot of the others. So and we'll tell, talk about GPT four and cloud tree and all this stuff. GPU poor, doing something. That the GPU rich are not interested in, you know we just had our AI center of excellence at Decibel and one of the AI leads at one of the big companies was like, Oh, we just saved 10 million and we use these models to do a translation, you know, and that's it.[00:05:39] Alessio: It's not, it's not a GI, it's just translation. So I think like the inflection part is maybe. A calling and a waking to a lot of startups then say, Hey, you know, trying to get as much capital as possible, try and get as many GPUs as possible. Good. But at the end of the day, it doesn't build a business, you know, and maybe what inflection I don't, I don't, again, I don't know the reasons behind the inflection choice, but if you say, I don't want to build my own company that has 1.[00:06:05] Alessio: 3 billion and I want to go do it at Microsoft, it's probably not a resources problem. It's more of strategic decisions that you're making as a company. So yeah, that was kind of my. I take on it.[00:06:15] swyx: Yeah, and I guess on my end, two things actually happened yesterday. It was a little bit quieter news, but Stability AI had some pretty major departures as well.[00:06:25] swyx: And you may not be considering it, but Stability is actually also a GPU rich company in the sense that they were the first new startup in this AI wave to brag about how many GPUs that they have. And you should join them. And you know, Imadis is definitely a GPU trader in some sense from his hedge fund days.[00:06:43] swyx: So Robin Rhombach and like the most of the Stable Diffusion 3 people left Stability yesterday as well. So yesterday was kind of like a big news day for the GPU rich companies, both Inflection and Stability having sort of wind taken out of their sails. I think, yes, it's a data point in the favor of Like, just because you have the GPUs doesn't mean you can, you automatically win.[00:07:03] swyx: And I think, you know, kind of I'll echo what Alessio says there. But in general also, like, I wonder if this is like the start of a major consolidation wave, just in terms of, you know, I think that there was a lot of funding last year and, you know, the business models have not been, you know, All of these things worked out very well.[00:07:19] swyx: Even inflection couldn't do it. And so I think maybe that's the start of a small consolidation wave. I don't think that's like a sign of AI winter. I keep looking for AI winter coming. I think this is kind of like a brief cold front. Yeah,[00:07:34] NLW: it's super interesting. So I think a bunch of A bunch of stuff here.[00:07:38] NLW: One is, I think, to both of your points, there, in some ways, there, there had already been this very clear demarcation between these two sides where, like, the GPU pores, to use the terminology, like, just weren't trying to compete on the same level, right? You know, the vast majority of people who have started something over the last year, year and a half, call it, were racing in a different direction.[00:07:59] NLW: They're trying to find some edge somewhere else. They're trying to build something different. If they're, if they're really trying to innovate, it's in different areas. And so it's really just this very small handful of companies that are in this like very, you know, it's like the coheres and jaspers of the world that like this sort of, you know, that are that are just sort of a little bit less resourced than, you know, than the other set that I think that this potentially even applies to, you know, everyone else that could clearly demarcate it into these two, two sides.[00:08:26] NLW: And there's only a small handful kind of sitting uncomfortably in the middle, perhaps. Let's, let's come back to the idea of, of the sort of AI winter or, you know, a cold front or anything like that. So this is something that I, I spent a lot of time kind of thinking about and noticing. And my perception is that The vast majority of the folks who are trying to call for sort of, you know, a trough of disillusionment or, you know, a shifting of the phase to that are people who either, A, just don't like AI for some other reason there's plenty of that, you know, people who are saying, You Look, they're doing way worse than they ever thought.[00:09:03] NLW: You know, there's a lot of sort of confirmation bias kind of thing going on. Or two, media that just needs a different narrative, right? Because they're sort of sick of, you know, telling the same story. Same thing happened last summer, when every every outlet jumped on the chat GPT at its first down month story to try to really like kind of hammer this idea that that the hype was too much.[00:09:24] NLW: Meanwhile, you have, you know, just ridiculous levels of investment from enterprises, you know, coming in. You have, you know, huge, huge volumes of, you know, individual behavior change happening. But I do think that there's nothing incoherent sort of to your point, Swyx, about that and the consolidation period.[00:09:42] NLW: Like, you know, if you look right now, for example, there are, I don't know, probably 25 or 30 credible, like, build your own chatbot. platforms that, you know, a lot of which have, you know, raised funding. There's no universe in which all of those are successful across, you know, even with a, even, even with a total addressable market of every enterprise in the world, you know, you're just inevitably going to see some amount of consolidation.[00:10:08] NLW: Same with, you know, image generators. There are, if you look at A16Z's top 50 consumer AI apps, just based on, you know, web traffic or whatever, they're still like I don't know, a half. Dozen or 10 or something, like, some ridiculous number of like, basically things like Midjourney or Dolly three. And it just seems impossible that we're gonna have that many, you know, ultimately as, as, as sort of, you know, going, going concerned.[00:10:33] NLW: So, I don't know. I, I, I think that the, there will be inevitable consolidation 'cause you know. It's, it's also what kind of like venture rounds are supposed to do. You're not, not everyone who gets a seed round is supposed to get to series A and not everyone who gets a series A is supposed to get to series B.[00:10:46] NLW: That's sort of the natural process. I think it will be tempting for a lot of people to try to infer from that something about AI not being as sort of big or as as sort of relevant as, as it was hyped up to be. But I, I kind of think that's the wrong conclusion to come to.[00:11:02] Alessio: I I would say the experimentation.[00:11:04] Alessio: Surface is a little smaller for image generation. So if you go back maybe six, nine months, most people will tell you, why would you build a coding assistant when like Copilot and GitHub are just going to win everything because they have the data and they have all the stuff. If you fast forward today, A lot of people use Cursor everybody was excited about the Devin release on Twitter.[00:11:26] Alessio: There are a lot of different ways of attacking the market that are not completion of code in the IDE. And even Cursors, like they evolved beyond single line to like chat, to do multi line edits and, and all that stuff. Image generation, I would say, yeah, as a, just as from what I've seen, like maybe the product innovation has slowed down at the UX level and people are improving the models.[00:11:50] Alessio: So the race is like, how do I make better images? It's not like, how do I make the user interact with the generation process better? And that gets tough, you know? It's hard to like really differentiate yourselves. So yeah, that's kind of how I look at it. And when we think about multimodality, maybe the reason why people got so excited about Sora is like, oh, this is like a completely It's not a better image model.[00:12:13] Alessio: This is like a completely different thing, you know? And I think the creative mind It's always looking for something that impacts the viewer in a different way, you know, like they really want something different versus the developer mind. It's like, Oh, I, I just, I have this like very annoying thing I want better.[00:12:32] Alessio: I have this like very specific use cases that I want to go after. So it's just different. And that's why you see a lot more companies in image generation. But I agree with you that. If you fast forward there, there's not going to be 10 of them, you know, it's probably going to be one or[00:12:46] swyx: two. Yeah, I mean, to me, that's why I call it a war.[00:12:49] swyx: Like, individually, all these companies can make a story that kind of makes sense, but collectively, they cannot all be true. Therefore, they all, there is some kind of fight over limited resources here. Yeah, so[00:12:59] NLW: it's interesting. We wandered very naturally into sort of another one of these wars, which is the multimodality kind of idea, which is, you know, basically a question of whether it's going to be these sort of big everything models that end up winning or whether, you know, you're going to have really specific things, you know, like something, you know, Dolly 3 inside of sort of OpenAI's larger models versus, you know, a mid journey or something like that.[00:13:24] NLW: And at first, you know, I was kind of thinking like, For most of the last, call it six months or whatever, it feels pretty definitively both and in some ways, you know, and that you're, you're seeing just like great innovation on sort of the everything models, but you're also seeing lots and lots happen at sort of the level of kind of individual use cases.[00:13:45] Sora[00:13:45] NLW: But then Sora comes along and just like obliterates what I think anyone thought you know, where we were when it comes to video generation. So how are you guys thinking about this particular battle or war at the moment?[00:13:59] swyx: Yeah, this was definitely a both and story, and Sora tipped things one way for me, in terms of scale being all you need.[00:14:08] swyx: And the benefit, I think, of having multiple models being developed under one roof. I think a lot of people aren't aware that Sora was developed in a similar fashion to Dolly 3. And Dolly3 had a very interesting paper out where they talked about how they sort of bootstrapped their synthetic data based on GPT 4 vision and GPT 4.[00:14:31] swyx: And, and it was just all, like, really interesting, like, if you work on one modality, it enables you to work on other modalities, and all that is more, is, is more interesting. I think it's beneficial if it's all in the same house, whereas the individual startups who don't, who sort of carve out a single modality and work on that, definitely won't have the state of the art stuff on helping them out on synthetic data.[00:14:52] swyx: So I do think like, The balance is tilted a little bit towards the God model companies, which is challenging for the, for the, for the the sort of dedicated modality companies. But everyone's carving out different niches. You know, like we just interviewed Suno ai, the sort of music model company, and, you know, I don't see opening AI pursuing music anytime soon.[00:15:12] Suno[00:15:12] swyx: Yeah,[00:15:13] NLW: Suno's been phenomenal to play with. Suno has done that rare thing where, which I think a number of different AI product categories have done, where people who don't consider themselves particularly interested in doing the thing that the AI enables find themselves doing a lot more of that thing, right?[00:15:29] NLW: Like, it'd be one thing if Just musicians were excited about Suno and using it but what you're seeing is tons of people who just like music all of a sudden like playing around with it and finding themselves kind of down that rabbit hole, which I think is kind of like the highest compliment that you can give one of these startups at the[00:15:45] swyx: early days of it.[00:15:46] swyx: Yeah, I, you know, I, I asked them directly, you know, in the interview about whether they consider themselves mid journey for music. And he had a more sort of nuanced response there, but I think that probably the business model is going to be very similar because he's focused on the B2C element of that. So yeah, I mean, you know, just to, just to tie back to the question about, you know, You know, large multi modality companies versus small dedicated modality companies.[00:16:10] swyx: Yeah, highly recommend people to read the Sora blog posts and then read through to the Dali blog posts because they, they strongly correlated themselves with the same synthetic data bootstrapping methods as Dali. And I think once you make those connections, you're like, oh, like it, it, it is beneficial to have multiple state of the art models in house that all help each other.[00:16:28] swyx: And these, this, that's the one thing that a dedicated modality company cannot do.[00:16:34] The GPT-4 Class Landscape[00:16:34] NLW: So I, I wanna jump, I wanna kind of build off that and, and move into the sort of like updated GPT-4 class landscape. 'cause that's obviously been another big change over the last couple months. But for the sake of completeness, is there anything that's worth touching on with with sort of the quality?[00:16:46] NLW: Quality data or sort of a rag ops wars just in terms of, you know, anything that's changed, I guess, for you fundamentally in the last couple of months about where those things stand.[00:16:55] swyx: So I think we're going to talk about rag for the Gemini and Clouds discussion later. And so maybe briefly discuss the data piece.[00:17:03] Data War: Reddit x Google[00:17:03] swyx: I think maybe the only new thing was this Reddit deal with Google for like a 60 million dollar deal just ahead of their IPO, very conveniently turning Reddit into a AI data company. Also, very, very interestingly, a non exclusive deal, meaning that Reddit can resell that data to someone else. And it probably does become table stakes.[00:17:23] swyx: A lot of people don't know, but a lot of the web text dataset that originally started for GPT 1, 2, and 3 was actually scraped from GitHub. from Reddit at least the sort of vote scores. And I think, I think that's a, that's a very valuable piece of information. So like, yeah, I think people are figuring out how to pay for data.[00:17:40] swyx: People are suing each other over data. This, this, this war is, you know, definitely very, very much heating up. And I don't think, I don't see it getting any less intense. I, you know, next to GPUs, data is going to be the most expensive thing in, in a model stack company. And. You know, a lot of people are resorting to synthetic versions of it, which may or may not be kosher based on how far along or how commercially blessed the, the forms of creating that synthetic data are.[00:18:11] swyx: I don't know if Alessio, you have any other interactions with like Data source companies, but that's my two cents.[00:18:17] Alessio: Yeah yeah, I actually saw Quentin Anthony from Luther. ai at GTC this week. He's also been working on this. I saw Technium. He's also been working on the data side. I think especially in open source, people are like, okay, if everybody is putting the gates up, so to speak, to the data we need to make it easier for people that don't have 50 million a year to get access to good data sets.[00:18:38] Alessio: And Jensen, at his keynote, he did talk about synthetic data a little bit. So I think that's something that we'll definitely hear more and more of in the enterprise, which never bodes well, because then all the, all the people with the data are like, Oh, the enterprises want to pay now? Let me, let me put a pay here stripe link so that they can give me 50 million.[00:18:57] Alessio: But it worked for Reddit. I think the stock is up. 40 percent today after opening. So yeah, I don't know if it's all about the Google deal, but it's obviously Reddit has been one of those companies where, hey, you got all this like great community, but like, how are you going to make money? And like, they try to sell the avatars.[00:19:15] Alessio: I don't know if that it's a great business for them. The, the data part sounds as an investor, you know, the data part sounds a lot more interesting than, than consumer[00:19:25] swyx: cosmetics. Yeah, so I think, you know there's more questions around data you know, I think a lot of people are talking about the interview that Mira Murady did with the Wall Street Journal, where she, like, just basically had no, had no good answer for where they got the data for Sora.[00:19:39] swyx: I, I think this is where, you know, there's, it's in nobody's interest to be transparent about data, and it's, it's kind of sad for the state of ML and the state of AI research but it is what it is. We, we have to figure this out as a society, just like we did for music and music sharing. You know, in, in sort of the Napster to Spotify transition, and that might take us a decade.[00:19:59] swyx: Yeah, I[00:20:00] NLW: do. I, I agree. I think, I think that you're right to identify it, not just as that sort of technical problem, but as one where society has to have a debate with itself. Because I think that there's, if you rationally within it, there's Great kind of points on all side, not to be the sort of, you know, person who sits in the middle constantly, but it's why I think a lot of these legal decisions are going to be really important because, you know, the job of judges is to listen to all this stuff and try to come to things and then have other judges disagree.[00:20:24] NLW: And, you know, and have the rest of us all debate at the same time. By the way, as a total aside, I feel like the synthetic data right now is like eggs in the 80s and 90s. Like, whether they're good for you or bad for you, like, you know, we, we get one study that's like synthetic data, you know, there's model collapse.[00:20:42] NLW: And then we have like a hint that llama, you know, to the most high performance version of it, which was one they didn't release was trained on synthetic data. So maybe it's good. It's like, I just feel like every, every other week I'm seeing something sort of different about whether it's a good or bad for, for these models.[00:20:56] swyx: Yeah. The branding of this is pretty poor. I would kind of tell people to think about it like cholesterol. There's good cholesterol, bad cholesterol. And you can have, you know, good amounts of both. But at this point, it is absolutely without a doubt that most large models from here on out will all be trained as some kind of synthetic data and that is not a bad thing.[00:21:16] swyx: There are ways in which you can do it poorly. Whether it's commercial, you know, in terms of commercial sourcing or in terms of the model performance. But it's without a doubt that good synthetic data is going to help your model. And this is just a question of like where to obtain it and what kinds of synthetic data are valuable.[00:21:36] swyx: You know, if even like alpha geometry, you know, was, was a really good example from like earlier this year.[00:21:42] NLW: If you're using the cholesterol analogy, then my, then my egg thing can't be that far off. Let's talk about the sort of the state of the art and the, and the GPT 4 class landscape and how that's changed.[00:21:53] Gemini 1.5 vs Claude 3[00:21:53] NLW: Cause obviously, you know, sort of the, the two big things or a couple of the big things that have happened. Since we last talked, we're one, you know, Gemini first announcing that a model was coming and then finally it arriving, and then very soon after a sort of a different model arriving from Gemini and and Cloud three.[00:22:11] NLW: So I guess, you know, I'm not sure exactly where the right place to start with this conversation is, but, you know, maybe very broadly speaking which of these do you think have made a bigger impact? Thank you.[00:22:20] Alessio: Probably the one you can use, right? So, Cloud. Well, I'm sure Gemini is going to be great once they let me in, but so far I haven't been able to.[00:22:29] Alessio: I use, so I have this small podcaster thing that I built for our podcast, which does chapters creation, like named entity recognition, summarization, and all of that. Cloud Tree is, Better than GPT 4. Cloud2 was unusable. So I use GPT 4 for everything. And then when Opus came out, I tried them again side by side and I posted it on, on Twitter as well.[00:22:53] Alessio: Cloud is better. It's very good, you know, it's much better, it seems to me, it's much better than GPT 4 at doing writing that is more, you know, I don't know, it just got good vibes, you know, like the GPT 4 text, you can tell it's like GPT 4, you know, it's like, it always uses certain types of words and phrases and, you know, maybe it's just me because I've now done it for, you know, So, I've read like 75, 80 generations of these things next to each other.[00:23:21] Alessio: Clutter is really good. I know everybody is freaking out on twitter about it, my only experience of this is much better has been on the podcast use case. But I know that, you know, Quran from from News Research is a very big opus pro, pro opus person. So, I think that's also It's great to have people that actually care about other models.[00:23:40] Alessio: You know, I think so far to a lot of people, maybe Entropic has been the sibling in the corner, you know, it's like Cloud releases a new model and then OpenAI releases Sora and like, you know, there are like all these different things, but yeah, the new models are good. It's interesting.[00:23:55] NLW: My my perception is definitely that just, just observationally, Cloud 3 is certainly the first thing that I've seen where lots of people.[00:24:06] NLW: They're, no one's debating evals or anything like that. They're talking about the specific use cases that they have, that they used to use chat GPT for every day, you know, day in, day out, that they've now just switched over. And that has, I think, shifted a lot of the sort of like vibe and sentiment in the space too.[00:24:26] NLW: And I don't necessarily think that it's sort of a A like full you know, sort of full knock. Let's put it this way. I think it's less bad for open AI than it is good for anthropic. I think that because GPT 5 isn't there, people are not quite willing to sort of like, you know get overly critical of, of open AI, except in so far as they're wondering where GPT 5 is.[00:24:46] NLW: But I do think that it makes, Anthropic look way more credible as a, as a, as a player, as a, you know, as a credible sort of player, you know, as opposed to to, to where they were.[00:24:57] Alessio: Yeah. And I would say the benchmarks veil is probably getting lifted this year. I think last year. People were like, okay, this is better than this on this benchmark, blah, blah, blah, because maybe they did not have a lot of use cases that they did frequently.[00:25:11] Alessio: So it's hard to like compare yourself. So you, you defer to the benchmarks. I think now as we go into 2024, a lot of people have started to use these models from, you know, from very sophisticated things that they run in production to some utility that they have on their own. Now they can just run them side by side.[00:25:29] Alessio: And it's like, Hey, I don't care that like. The MMLU score of Opus is like slightly lower than GPT 4. It just works for me, you know, and I think that's the same way that traditional software has been used by people, right? Like you just strive for yourself and like, which one does it work, works best for you?[00:25:48] Alessio: Like nobody looks at benchmarks outside of like sales white papers, you know? And I think it's great that we're going more in that direction. We have a episode with Adapt coming out this weekend. I'll and some of their model releases, they specifically say, We do not care about benchmarks, so we didn't put them in, you know, because we, we don't want to look good on them.[00:26:06] Alessio: We just want the product to work. And I think more and more people will, will[00:26:09] swyx: go that way. Yeah. I I would say like, it does take the wind out of the sails for GPT 5, which I know where, you know, Curious about later on. I think anytime you put out a new state of the art model, you have to break through in some way.[00:26:21] swyx: And what Claude and Gemini have done is effectively take away any advantage to saying that you have a million token context window. Now everyone's just going to be like, Oh, okay. Now you just match the other two guys. And so that puts An insane amount of pressure on what gpt5 is going to be because it's just going to have like the only option it has now because all the other models are multimodal all the other models are long context all the other models have perfect recall gpt5 has to match everything and do more to to not be a flop[00:26:58] AI Breakdown Part 2[00:26:58] NLW: hello friends back again with part two if you haven't heard part one of this conversation i suggest you go check it out but to be honest they are kind of actually separable In this conversation, we get into a topic that I think Alessio and Swyx are very well positioned to discuss, which is what developers care about right now, what people are trying to build around.[00:27:16] NLW: I honestly think that one of the best ways to see the future in an industry like AI is to try to dig deep on what developers and entrepreneurs are attracted to build, even if it hasn't made it to the news pages yet. So consider this your preview of six months from now, and let's dive in. Let's bring it to the GPT 5 conversation.[00:27:33] Next Frontiers: Llama 3, GPT-5, Gemini 2, Claude 4[00:27:33] NLW: I mean, so, so I think that that's a great sort of assessment of just how the stakes have been raised, you know is your, I mean, so I guess maybe, maybe I'll, I'll frame this less as a question, just sort of something that, that I, that I've been watching right now, the only thing that makes sense to me with how.[00:27:50] NLW: Fundamentally unbothered and unstressed OpenAI seems about everything is that they're sitting on something that does meet all that criteria, right? Because, I mean, even in the Lex Friedman interview that, that Altman recently did, you know, he's talking about other things coming out first. He's talking about, he's just like, he, listen, he, he's good and he could play nonchalant, you know, if he wanted to.[00:28:13] NLW: So I don't want to read too much into it, but. You know, they've had so long to work on this, like unless that we are like really meaningfully running up against some constraint, it just feels like, you know, there's going to be some massive increase, but I don't know. What do you guys think?[00:28:28] swyx: Hard to speculate.[00:28:29] swyx: You know, at this point, they're, they're pretty good at PR and they're not going to tell you anything that they don't want to. And he can tell you one thing and change their minds the next day. So it's, it's, it's really, you know, I've always said that model version numbers are just marketing exercises, like they have something and it's always improving and at some point you just cut it and decide to call it GPT 5.[00:28:50] swyx: And it's more just about defining an arbitrary level at which they're ready and it's up to them on what ready means. We definitely did see some leaks on GPT 4. 5, as I think a lot of people reported and I'm not sure if you covered it. So it seems like there might be an intermediate release. But I did feel, coming out of the Lex Friedman interview, that GPT 5 was nowhere near.[00:29:11] swyx: And you know, it was kind of a sharp contrast to Sam talking at Davos in February, saying that, you know, it was his top priority. So I find it hard to square. And honestly, like, there's also no point Reading too much tea leaves into what any one person says about something that hasn't happened yet or has a decision that hasn't been taken yet.[00:29:31] swyx: Yeah, that's, that's my 2 cents about it. Like, calm down, let's just build .[00:29:35] Alessio: Yeah. The, the February rumor was that they were gonna work on AI agents, so I don't know, maybe they're like, yeah,[00:29:41] swyx: they had two agent two, I think two agent projects, right? One desktop agent and one sort of more general yeah, sort of GPTs like agent and then Andre left, so he was supposed to be the guy on that.[00:29:52] swyx: What did Andre see? What did he see? I don't know. What did he see?[00:29:56] Alessio: I don't know. But again, it's just like the rumors are always floating around, you know but I think like, this is, you know, we're not going to get to the end of the year without Jupyter you know, that's definitely happening. I think the biggest question is like, are Anthropic and Google.[00:30:13] Alessio: Increasing the pace, you know, like it's the, it's the cloud four coming out like in 12 months, like nine months. What's the, what's the deal? Same with Gemini. They went from like one to 1. 5 in like five days or something. So when's Gemini 2 coming out, you know, is that going to be soon? I don't know.[00:30:31] Alessio: There, there are a lot of, speculations, but the good thing is that now you can see a world in which OpenAI doesn't rule everything. You know, so that, that's the best, that's the best news that everybody got, I would say.[00:30:43] swyx: Yeah, and Mistral Large also dropped in the last month. And, you know, not as, not quite GPT 4 class, but very good from a new startup.[00:30:52] swyx: So yeah, we, we have now slowly changed in landscape, you know. In my January recap, I was complaining that nothing's changed in the landscape for a long time. But now we do exist in a world, sort of a multipolar world where Cloud and Gemini are legitimate challengers to GPT 4 and hopefully more will emerge as well hopefully from meta.[00:31:11] Open Source Models - Mistral, Grok[00:31:11] NLW: So speak, let's actually talk about sort of the open source side of this for a minute. So Mistral Large, notable because it's, it's not available open source in the same way that other things are, although I think my perception is that the community has largely given them Like the community largely recognizes that they want them to keep building open source stuff and they have to find some way to fund themselves that they're going to do that.[00:31:27] NLW: And so they kind of understand that there's like, they got to figure out how to eat, but we've got, so, you know, there there's Mistral, there's, I guess, Grok now, which is, you know, Grok one is from, from October is, is open[00:31:38] swyx: sourced at, yeah. Yeah, sorry, I thought you thought you meant Grok the chip company.[00:31:41] swyx: No, no, no, yeah, you mean Twitter Grok.[00:31:43] NLW: Although Grok the chip company, I think is even more interesting in some ways, but and then there's the, you know, obviously Llama3 is the one that sort of everyone's wondering about too. And, you know, my, my sense of that, the little bit that, you know, Zuckerberg was talking about Llama 3 earlier this year, suggested that, at least from an ambition standpoint, he was not thinking about how do I make sure that, you know, meta content, you know, keeps, keeps the open source thrown, you know, vis a vis Mistral.[00:32:09] NLW: He was thinking about how you go after, you know, how, how he, you know, releases a thing that's, you know, every bit as good as whatever OpenAI is on at that point.[00:32:16] Alessio: Yeah. From what I heard in the hallways at, at GDC, Llama 3, the, the biggest model will be, you 260 to 300 billion parameters, so that that's quite large.[00:32:26] Alessio: That's not an open source model. You know, you cannot give people a 300 billion parameters model and ask them to run it. You know, it's very compute intensive. So I think it is, it[00:32:35] swyx: can be open source. It's just, it's going to be difficult to run, but that's a separate question.[00:32:39] Alessio: It's more like, as you think about what they're doing it for, you know, it's not like empowering the person running.[00:32:45] Alessio: llama. On, on their laptop, it's like, oh, you can actually now use this to go after open AI, to go after Anthropic, to go after some of these companies at like the middle complexity level, so to speak. Yeah. So obviously, you know, we estimate Gentala on the podcast, they're doing a lot here, they're making PyTorch better.[00:33:03] Alessio: You know, they want to, that's kind of like maybe a little bit of a shorted. Adam Bedia, in a way, trying to get some of the CUDA dominance out of it. Yeah, no, it's great. The, I love the duck destroying a lot of monopolies arc. You know, it's, it's been very entertaining. Let's bridge[00:33:18] NLW: into the sort of big tech side of this, because this is obviously like, so I think actually when I did my episode, this was one of the I added this as one of as an additional war that, that's something that I'm paying attention to.[00:33:29] NLW: So we've got Microsoft's moves with inflection, which I think pretend, potentially are being read as A shift vis a vis the relationship with OpenAI, which also the sort of Mistral large relationship seems to reinforce as well. We have Apple potentially entering the race, finally, you know, giving up Project Titan and and, and kind of trying to spend more effort on this.[00:33:50] NLW: Although, Counterpoint, we also have them talking about it, or there being reports of a deal with Google, which, you know, is interesting to sort of see what their strategy there is. And then, you know, Meta's been largely quiet. We kind of just talked about the main piece, but, you know, there's, and then there's spoilers like Elon.[00:34:07] NLW: I mean, you know, what, what of those things has sort of been most interesting to you guys as you think about what's going to shake out for the rest of this[00:34:13] Apple MM1[00:34:13] swyx: year? I'll take a crack. So the reason we don't have a fifth war for the Big Tech Wars is that's one of those things where I just feel like we don't cover differently from other media channels, I guess.[00:34:26] swyx: Sure, yeah. In our anti interestness, we actually say, like, we try not to cover the Big Tech Game of Thrones, or it's proxied through Twitter. You know, all the other four wars anyway, so there's just a lot of overlap. Yeah, I think absolutely, personally, the most interesting one is Apple entering the race.[00:34:41] swyx: They actually released, they announced their first large language model that they trained themselves. It's like a 30 billion multimodal model. People weren't that impressed, but it was like the first time that Apple has kind of showcased that, yeah, we're training large models in house as well. Of course, like, they might be doing this deal with Google.[00:34:57] swyx: I don't know. It sounds very sort of rumor y to me. And it's probably, if it's on device, it's going to be a smaller model. So something like a Jemma. It's going to be smarter autocomplete. I don't know what to say. I'm still here dealing with, like, Siri, which hasn't, probably hasn't been updated since God knows when it was introduced.[00:35:16] swyx: It's horrible. I, you know, it, it, it makes me so angry. So I, I, one, as an Apple customer and user, I, I'm just hoping for better AI on Apple itself. But two, they are the gold standard when it comes to local devices, personal compute and, and trust, like you, you trust them with your data. And. I think that's what a lot of people are looking for in AI, that they have, they love the benefits of AI, they don't love the downsides, which is that you have to send all your data to some cloud somewhere.[00:35:45] swyx: And some of this data that we're going to feed AI is just the most personal data there is. So Apple being like one of the most trusted personal data companies, I think it's very important that they enter the AI race, and I hope to see more out of them.[00:35:58] Alessio: To me, the, the biggest question with the Google deal is like, who's paying who?[00:36:03] Alessio: Because for the browsers, Google pays Apple like 18, 20 billion every year to be the default browser. Is Google going to pay you to have Gemini or is Apple paying Google to have Gemini? I think that's, that's like what I'm most interested to figure out because with the browsers, it's like, it's the entry point to the thing.[00:36:21] Alessio: So it's really valuable to be the default. That's why Google pays. But I wonder if like the perception in AI is going to be like, Hey. You just have to have a good local model on my phone to be worth me purchasing your device. And that was, that's kind of drive Apple to be the one buying the model. But then, like Shawn said, they're doing the MM1 themselves.[00:36:40] Alessio: So are they saying we do models, but they're not as good as the Google ones? I don't know. The whole thing is, it's really confusing, but. It makes for great meme material on on Twitter.[00:36:51] swyx: Yeah, I mean, I think, like, they are possibly more than OpenAI and Microsoft and Amazon. They are the most full stack company there is in computing, and so, like, they own the chips, man.[00:37:05] swyx: Like, they manufacture everything so if, if, if there was a company that could do that. You know, seriously challenge the other AI players. It would be Apple. And it's, I don't think it's as hard as self driving. So like maybe they've, they've just been investing in the wrong thing this whole time. We'll see.[00:37:21] swyx: Wall Street certainly thinks[00:37:22] NLW: so. Wall Street loved that move, man. There's a big, a big sigh of relief. Well, let's, let's move away from, from sort of the big stuff. I mean, the, I think to both of your points, it's going to.[00:37:33] Meta's $800b AI rebrand[00:37:33] NLW: Can I, can[00:37:34] swyx: I, can I, can I jump on factoid about this, this Wall Street thing? I went and looked at when Meta went from being a VR company to an AI company.[00:37:44] swyx: And I think the stock I'm trying to look up the details now. The stock has gone up 187% since Lamo one. Yeah. Which is $830 billion in market value created in the past year. . Yeah. Yeah.[00:37:57] NLW: It's, it's, it's like, remember if you guys haven't Yeah. If you haven't seen the chart, it's actually like remarkable.[00:38:02] NLW: If you draw a little[00:38:03] swyx: arrow on it, it's like, no, we're an AI company now and forget the VR thing.[00:38:10] NLW: It's it, it is an interesting, no, it's, I, I think, alessio, you called it sort of like Zuck's Disruptor Arc or whatever. He, he really does. He is in the midst of a, of a total, you know, I don't know if it's a redemption arc or it's just, it's something different where, you know, he, he's sort of the spoiler.[00:38:25] NLW: Like people loved him just freestyle talking about why he thought they had a better headset than Apple. But even if they didn't agree, they just loved it. He was going direct to camera and talking about it for, you know, five minutes or whatever. So that, that's a fascinating shift that I don't think anyone had on their bingo card, you know, whatever, two years ago.[00:38:41] NLW: Yeah. Yeah,[00:38:42] swyx: we still[00:38:43] Alessio: didn't see and fight Elon though, so[00:38:45] swyx: that's what I'm really looking forward to. I mean, hey, don't, don't, don't write it off, you know, maybe just these things take a while to happen. But we need to see and fight in the Coliseum. No, I think you know, in terms of like self management, life leadership, I think he has, there's a lot of lessons to learn from him.[00:38:59] swyx: You know he might, you know, you might kind of quibble with, like, the social impact of Facebook, but just himself as a in terms of personal growth and, and, you know, Per perseverance through like a lot of change and you know, everyone throwing stuff his way. I think there's a lot to say about like, to learn from, from Zuck, which is crazy 'cause he's my age.[00:39:18] swyx: Yeah. Right.[00:39:20] AI Engineer landscape - from baby AGIs to vertical Agents[00:39:20] NLW: Awesome. Well, so, so one of the big things that I think you guys have, you know, distinct and, and unique insight into being where you are and what you work on is. You know, what developers are getting really excited about right now. And by that, I mean, on the one hand, certainly, you know, like startups who are actually kind of formalized and formed to startups, but also, you know, just in terms of like what people are spending their nights and weekends on what they're, you know, coming to hackathons to do.[00:39:45] NLW: And, you know, I think it's a, it's a, it's, it's such a fascinating indicator for, for where things are headed. Like if you zoom back a year, right now was right when everyone was getting so, so excited about. AI agent stuff, right? Auto, GPT and baby a GI. And these things were like, if you dropped anything on YouTube about those, like instantly tens of thousands of views.[00:40:07] NLW: I know because I had like a 50,000 view video, like the second day that I was doing the show on YouTube, you know, because I was talking about auto GPT. And so anyways, you know, obviously that's sort of not totally come to fruition yet, but what are some of the trends in what you guys are seeing in terms of people's, people's interest and, and, and what people are building?[00:40:24] Alessio: I can start maybe with the agents part and then I know Shawn is doing a diffusion meetup tonight. There's a lot of, a lot of different things. The, the agent wave has been the most interesting kind of like dream to reality arc. So out of GPT, I think they went, From zero to like 125, 000 GitHub stars in six weeks, and then one year later, they have 150, 000 stars.[00:40:49] Alessio: So there's kind of been a big plateau. I mean, you might say there are just not that many people that can start it. You know, everybody already started it. But the promise of, hey, I'll just give you a goal, and you do it. I think it's like, amazing to get people's imagination going. You know, they're like, oh, wow, this This is awesome.[00:41:08] Alessio: Everybody, everybody can try this to do anything. But then as technologists, you're like, well, that's, that's just like not possible, you know, we would have like solved everything. And I think it takes a little bit to go from the promise and the hope that people show you to then try it yourself and going back to say, okay, this is not really working for me.[00:41:28] Alessio: And David Wong from Adept, you know, they in our episode, he specifically said. We don't want to do a bottom up product. You know, we don't want something that everybody can just use and try because it's really hard to get it to be reliable. So we're seeing a lot of companies doing vertical agents that are narrow for a specific domain, and they're very good at something.[00:41:49] Alessio: Mike Conover, who was at Databricks before, is also a friend of Latentspace. He's doing this new company called BrightWave doing AI agents for financial research, and that's it, you know, and they're doing very well. There are other companies doing it in security, doing it in compliance, doing it in legal.[00:42:08] Alessio: All of these things that like, people, nobody just wakes up and say, Oh, I cannot wait to go on AutoGPD and ask it to do a compliance review of my thing. You know, just not what inspires people. So I think the gap on the developer side has been the more bottom sub hacker mentality is trying to build this like very Generic agents that can do a lot of open ended tasks.[00:42:30] Alessio: And then the more business side of things is like, Hey, If I want to raise my next round, I can not just like sit around the mess, mess around with like super generic stuff. I need to find a use case that really works. And I think that that is worth for, for a lot of folks in parallel, you have a lot of companies doing evals.[00:42:47] Alessio: There are dozens of them that just want to help you measure how good your models are doing. Again, if you build evals, you need to also have a restrained surface area to actually figure out whether or not it's good, right? Because you cannot eval anything on everything under the sun. So that's another category where I've seen from the startup pitches that I've seen, there's a lot of interest in, in the enterprise.[00:43:11] Alessio: It's just like really. Fragmented because the production use cases are just coming like now, you know, there are not a lot of long established ones to, to test against. And so does it, that's kind of on the virtual agents and then the robotic side it's probably been the thing that surprised me the most at NVIDIA GTC, the amount of robots that were there that were just like robots everywhere.[00:43:33] Alessio: Like, both in the keynote and then on the show floor, you would have Boston Dynamics dogs running around. There was, like, this, like fox robot that had, like, a virtual face that, like, talked to you and, like, moved in real time. There were industrial robots. NVIDIA did a big push on their own Omniverse thing, which is, like, this Digital twin of whatever environments you're in that you can use to train the robots agents.[00:43:57] Alessio: So that kind of takes people back to the reinforcement learning days, but yeah, agents, people want them, you know, people want them. I give a talk about the, the rise of the full stack employees and kind of this future, the same way full stack engineers kind of work across the stack. In the future, every employee is going to interact with every part of the organization through agents and AI enabled tooling.[00:44:17] Alessio: This is happening. It just needs to be a lot more narrow than maybe the first approach that we took, which is just put a string in AutoGPT and pray. But yeah, there's a lot of super interesting stuff going on.[00:44:27] swyx: Yeah. Well, he Let's recover a lot of stuff there. I'll separate the robotics piece because I feel like that's so different from the software world.[00:44:34] swyx: But yeah, we do talk to a lot of engineers and you know, that this is our sort of bread and butter. And I do agree that vertical agents have worked out a lot better than the horizontal ones. I think all You know, the point I'll make here is just the reason AutoGPT and maybe AGI, you know, it's in the name, like they were promising AGI.[00:44:53] swyx: But I think people are discovering that you cannot engineer your way to AGI. It has to be done at the model level and all these engineering, prompt engineering hacks on top of it weren't really going to get us there in a meaningful way without much further, you know, improvements in the models. I would say, I'll go so far as to say, even Devin, which is, I would, I think the most advanced agent that we've ever seen, still requires a lot of engineering and still probably falls apart a lot in terms of, like, practical usage.[00:45:22] swyx: Or it's just, Way too slow and expensive for, you know, what it's, what it's promised compared to the video. So yeah, that's, that's what, that's what happened with agents from, from last year. But I, I do, I do see, like, vertical agents being very popular and, and sometimes you, like, I think the word agent might even be overused sometimes.[00:45:38] swyx: Like, people don't really care whether or not you call it an AI agent, right? Like, does it replace boring menial tasks that I do That I might hire a human to do, or that the human who is hired to do it, like, actually doesn't really want to do. And I think there's absolutely ways in sort of a vertical context that you can actually go after very routine tasks that can be scaled out to a lot of, you know, AI assistants.[00:46:01] swyx: So, so yeah, I mean, and I would, I would sort of basically plus one what let's just sit there. I think it's, it's very, very promising and I think more people should work on it, not less. Like there's not enough people. Like, we, like, this should be the, the, the main thrust of the AI engineer is to look out, look for use cases and, and go to a production with them instead of just always working on some AGI promising thing that never arrives.[00:46:21] swyx: I,[00:46:22] NLW: I, I can only add that so I've been fiercely making tutorials behind the scenes around basically everything you can imagine with AI. We've probably done, we've done about 300 tutorials over the last couple of months. And the verticalized anything, right, like this is a solution for your particular job or role, even if it's way less interesting or kind of sexy, it's like so radically more useful to people in terms of intersecting with how, like those are the ways that people are actually.[00:46:50] NLW: Adopting AI in a lot of cases is just a, a, a thing that I do over and over again. By the way, I think that's the same way that even the generalized models are getting adopted. You know, it's like, I use midjourney for lots of stuff, but the main thing I use it for is YouTube thumbnails every day. Like day in, day out, I will always do a YouTube thumbnail, you know, or two with, with Midjourney, right?[00:47:09] NLW: And it's like you can, you can start to extrapolate that across a lot of things and all of a sudden, you know, a AI doesn't. It looks revolutionary because of a million small changes rather than one sort of big dramatic change. And I think that the verticalization of agents is sort of a great example of how that's[00:47:26] swyx: going to play out too.[00:47:28] Adept episode - Screen Multimodality[00:47:28] swyx: So I'll have one caveat here, which is I think that Because multi modal models are now commonplace, like Cloud, Gemini, OpenAI, all very very easily multi modal, Apple's easily multi modal, all this stuff. There is a switch for agents for sort of general desktop browsing that I think people so much for joining us today, and we'll see you in the next video.[00:48:04] swyx: Version of the the agent where they're not specifically taking in text or anything They're just watching your screen just like someone else would and and I'm piloting it by vision And you know in the the episode with David that we'll have dropped by the time that this this airs I think I think that is the promise of adept and that is a promise of what a lot of these sort of desktop agents Are and that is the more general purpose system That could be as big as the browser, the operating system, like, people really want to build that foundational piece of software in AI.[00:48:38] swyx: And I would see, like, the potential there for desktop agents being that, that you can have sort of self driving computers. You know, don't write the horizontal piece out. I just think we took a while to get there.[00:48:48] NLW: What else are you guys seeing that's interesting to you? I'm looking at your notes and I see a ton of categories.[00:48:54] Top Model Research from January Recap[00:48:54] swyx: Yeah so I'll take the next two as like as one category, which is basically alternative architectures, right? The two main things that everyone following AI kind of knows now is, one, the diffusion architecture, and two, the let's just say the, Decoder only transformer architecture that is popularized by GPT.[00:49:12] swyx: You can read, you can look on YouTube for thousands and thousands of tutorials on each of those things. What we are talking about here is what's next, what people are researching, and what could be on the horizon that takes the place of those other two things. So first of all, we'll talk about transformer architectures and then diffusion.[00:49:25] swyx: So transformers the, the two leading candidates are effectively RWKV and the state space models the most recent one of which is Mamba, but there's others like the Stripe, ENA, and the S four H three stuff coming out of hazy research at Stanford. And all of those are non quadratic language models that scale the promise to scale a lot better than the, the traditional transformer.[00:49:47] swyx: That this might be too theoretical for most people right now, but it's, it's gonna be. It's gonna come out in weird ways, where, imagine if like, Right now the talk of the town is that Claude and Gemini have a million tokens of context and like whoa You can put in like, you know, two hours of video now, okay But like what if you put what if we could like throw in, you know, two hundred thousand hours of video?[00:50:09] swyx: Like how does that change your usage of AI? What if you could throw in the entire genetic sequence of a human and like synthesize new drugs. Like, well, how does that change things? Like, we don't know because we haven't had access to this capability being so cheap before. And that's the ultimate promise of these two models.[00:50:28] swyx: They're not there yet but we're seeing very, very good progress. RWKV and Mamba are probably the, like, the two leading examples, both of which are open source that you can try them today and and have a lot of progress there. And the, the, the main thing I'll highlight for audio e KV is that at, at the seven B level, they seem to have beat LAMA two in all benchmarks that matter at the same size for the same amount of training as an open source model.[00:50:51] swyx: So that's exciting. You know, they're there, they're seven B now. They're not at seven tb. We don't know if it'll. And then the other thing is diffusion. Diffusions and transformers are are kind of on the collision course. The original stable diffusion already used transformers in in parts of its architecture.[00:51:06] swyx: It seems that transformers are eating more and more of those layers particularly the sort of VAE layer. So that's, the Diffusion Transformer is what Sora is built on. The guy who wrote the Diffusion Transformer paper, Bill Pebbles, is, Bill Pebbles is the lead tech guy on Sora. So you'll just see a lot more Diffusion Transformer stuff going on.[00:51:25] swyx: But there's, there's more sort of experimentation with diffusion. I'm holding a meetup actually here in San Francisco that's gonna be like the state of diffusion, which I'm pretty excited about. Stability's doing a lot of good work. And if you look at the, the architecture of how they're creating Stable Diffusion 3, Hourglass Diffusion, and the inconsistency models, or SDXL Turbo.[00:51:45] swyx: All of these are, like, very, very interesting innovations on, like, the original idea of what Stable Diffusion was. So if you think that it is expensive to create or slow to create Stable Diffusion or an AI generated art, you are not up to date with the latest models. If you think it is hard to create text and images, you are not up to date with the latest models.[00:52:02] swyx: And people still are kind of far behind. The last piece of which is the wildcard I always kind of hold out, which is text diffusion. So Instead of using autogenerative or autoregressive transformers, can you use text to diffuse? So you can use diffusion models to diffuse and create entire chunks of text all at once instead of token by token.[00:52:22] swyx: And that is something that Midjourney confirmed today, because it was only rumored the past few months. But they confirmed today that they were looking into. So all those things are like very exciting new model architectures that are, Maybe something that we'll, you'll see in production two to three years from now.[00:52:37] swyx: So the couple of the trends[00:52:38] NLW: that I want to just get your takes on, because they're sort of something that, that seems like they're coming up are one sort of these, these wearable, you know, kind of passive AI experiences where they're absorbing a lot of what's going on around you and then, and then kind of bringing things back.[00:52:53] NLW: And then the, the other one that I, that I wanted to see if you guys had thoughts on were sort of this next generation of chip companies. Obviously there's a huge amount of emphasis. On on hardware and silicon and, and, and different ways of doing things, but, y

In this episode, Paul Barron and Paul Molinari shed light on one of the most successful loyalty programs to date. Surprisingly, it's not from a major brand or a fast-casual giant; instead, it's a new brand that's shaking things up with innovative approaches. Moreover, we'll explore the triumph of Starbucks' Odyssey and discuss the potential integration of Web3 strategies by McDonald's in gamification, consumer loyalty, and brand IP.The New Paradigm in Foodservice Loyalty: Traditionally, foodservice loyalty programs have been dominated by industry giants, but times are changing. A new wave of innovators is challenging the status quo. The success story discussed in this episode exemplifies how fresh ideas can disrupt the norm.Loyalty Program Unveiled: In this episode, we uncover the details of a loyalty program that has taken the foodservice industry by storm. This program's unique approach and fresh perspective on engaging consumers have garnered remarkable success. It serves as a testament to the fact that in the world of loyalty, innovation knows no bounds.Starbucks Odyssey: A Case Study in Excellence: Starbucks has long been a trailblazer in the foodservice industry, and their Odyssey loyalty program is no exception. We'll delve into the strategies that have made Starbucks a leader in consumer loyalty and how it continues to set the bar for others to follow.McDonald's and Web3: A Glimpse into the Future: Web3 technologies are reshaping industries across the board, and foodservice is no exception. We'll explore how McDonald's, a global fast-food giant, could leverage Web3 strategies in gamification, consumer loyalty, and brand intellectual property (IP). This forward-thinking approach could revolutionize the way McDonald's interacts with its customers and strengthens its brand.Next Generation Brand IP The utilization of NFTs and blockchain technology in the context of next-generation brand intellectual property (IP) opens up new avenues for brands to explore IP in ways previously unattainable, thanks to the incorporation of Smart Contracts.Predictions for the FutureBased on historical analysis and current trends, we provide some predictions for the future of foodservice loyalty programs. Will more disruptors like the brand discussed in this episode emerge, challenging the established players? Will Web3 technologies become a standard tool for enhancing consumer engagement and loyalty?

This week in Asian American Politics: - Boba Guys becomes the first boba store to unionize. Look out for their next flavor, Union Ube! - Sony researchers find that existing models for skin hue detection have trouble with yellow skin tones. Asians: 1. Terminator: 0. - Portland white and South Asian couple become the main characters of the internet after creating a "non-GMO, healthy" boba brand called "Better Boba" which gave off the impression original boba is inferior, unhealthy, etc. - Kevin McCarthy becomes the first Speaker of the House to get kicked out, and we have 45 days until another potential government shutdown. - Bedbugs strut the runway during Paris Fashion Week and now they're spreading to all parts of the country, just in time to link up with COVID strains and the flu. - WHAT'S  POLITICALLY ASIAN PODCAST? -- We're two Asian American comedians talking about politics and the Asian American community to get more Asians talking about politics! Join Aaron Yin (he/him) and Gerrie Lim (they/them) for 45 minutes-ish each week as we discuss current topics and events related to Asian Americans through the lenses of history, class, and advocacy. CHECK US OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA:  Instagram: https://instagram.com/politicallyasianpodcast/  Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@politicallyasianpodcast  Twitter: https://twitter.com/politicasianpod  Website: https://politicallyasianpodcast.com Support us at https://buymeacoffee.com/politicalasian  COMMENTS, THOUGHTS, OPINIONS, HOT TAKES, FEEDBACK: politicallyasianpodcast@gmail.com  MUSIC by Clueless Kit: https://soundcloud.com/cluelesskit Song title: live now

Indulge in a delightful interview on Happy Homes & Gardens show, as host Daphne Royse sits down with the charismatic Andrew Chau, Co-Founder of Boba Guys. Prepare to be captivated by the enchanting story behind the rise of Boba tea and its ever-growing popularity. From humble beginnings to becoming a global sensation, Andrew shares fascinating insights, secret recipes, and the philosophy that made Boba Guys an irresistible phenomenon. Join us for an engaging conversation that will leave you craving for more! Host:Daphne Royse #talradioenglish #happyhomesandgardens #BobaTeaLovers #TasteOfTaiwan #BobaGuys #AndrewChau #DaphneRoyse

Why it was selected for "CBNation Architects": In this episode of the I AM CEO Podcast, host Gresham Harkless Jr. interviews Marcio Santos, a marketing coach who helps course creators successfully sell their courses online.   Marcio has coached course creators from various industries and has worked with brands like Boba Guys, Immi Eats, Kettle & Fire, Danone, THE TEN SPOT, Remedy Kombucha, and more to generate millions in online sales using digital marketing.   Throughout the episode, Marcio shares valuable insights on effective marketing strategies, emphasizing the importance of understanding the needs of customers and building a customized plan to reach them. He also discusses his journey in the industry, including his experience working with a variety of businesses and the lessons he has learned along the way.   Additionally, Marcio shares practical tips and advice for entrepreneurs, including the importance of creating a lead magnet to position oneself as an expert and the value of creating courses in groups.   Overall, the episode provides valuable insights and inspiration for anyone looking to improve their marketing efforts and successfully sell their courses online. Check out one of our favorite CEO Hack's CEO Web Shop. Get your free audiobook and check out more of our favorite CEO Hacks HERE. I AM CEO Handbook Volume 3 is HERE and it's FREE. Get your copy here: http://cbnation.co/iamceo3. Get the 100+ things that you can learn from 1600 business podcasts we recorded. Hear Gresh's story, learn the 16 business pillars from the podcast, find out about CBNation Architects and why you might be one and so much more. Did we mention it was FREE? Download it today!   Previous Episode: https://iamceo.co/2022/09/27/iam1507-marketing-coach-helps-course-creators-to-successfully-sell-their-courses-online/

Welcome to Boba Talk - a podcast about boba with a side of life, half sweet. Join Kathleen and Monica as they review another boba spot in the Bay Area: Boba Guys in San Jose, CA. In this episode, they have a surprise guest: Warrior Nun Season 2 Composer, Tangelene Bolton! Click on the play button to hear and watch Part 1 as Kathleen, Monica, and Tangelene rate their boba drink and discuss how Tangelene got her start and of course, Warrior Nun. And as always, #SaveWarriorNun to get to 10M! Boba Shop: Boba Guys | 378 Santana Row, Ste 1115, San Jose, CA Link to Boba Guys fact: https://www.bobaguys.com/story Make sure to follow Tangelene on Twitter and Instagram and check out all of her amazing work @ https://www.tangelenebolton.com/ Please feel free to RT/share this episode if you guys enjoyed it! These ladies want to hear from you all so if you have any questions, comments, opinions about this episode or Warrior Nun in general - feel free to tweet them at @KathleenRobot and @baymonbon --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/bobatalkpodcast/message

Welcome to Boba Talk - a podcast about boba with a side of life, half sweet. Join Kathleen and Monica as they continue their interview with Warrior Nun Season 2 Composer, Tangelene Bolton. In Part 2 of this episode, Kathleen, Monica, and Tangelene discuss representation and extras! #SaveWarriorNun Make sure to follow Tangelene on Twitter and Instagram and check out all of her amazing work @ https://www.tangelenebolton.com/ Please feel free to RT/share this episode if you guys enjoyed it! These ladies want to hear from you all so if you have any questions, comments, opinions about this episode or Warrior Nun in general - feel free to tweet them at @KathleenRobot and @baymonbon --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/bobatalkpodcast/message

This week in Asian American politics! - Indian tech workers protest in California over H1B visas and green card restrictions. Currently, Indian tech workers have to wait 150+ years for green card approval. - Boba Guys close their original shops in SF after union busting their workers. - Shocking stories of Southeast Asian prisoners in California who are at risk of being deported by ICE. - End of Kpop on Broadway, and Koreans on Netflix's Blockbuster series. - Joe Biden's debt cancellation is put on hold - Microsoft tries to buy Activision, creator of Candy Crush and many other games. They're being sued by the FTC (Asian-led) and a group of 10 gamers. -- WHAT'S POLITICALLY ASIAN PODCAST? Two Asians talking about politics and the Asian American community to get more Asians talking about politics! Join comedians Aaron Yin (he/him) and Gerrie Lim (they/them) for 45 minutes-ish each week as they discuss current topics and events related to Asian Americans through the lenses of history, class, and advocacy. Think John Oliver's show, but there's two of us, and we're Asian. -- CHECK US OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA: Our memes are so good Asian people will mention them when they meet us in real life. ➤ Instagram: https://instagram.com/politicallyasianpodcast/ ➤ Twitter: https://twitter.com/politicasianpod ➤ Website: https://politicallyasianpodcast.com -- INQUIRIES: politicallyasianpodcast@gmail.com -- SUPPORT US ON PATREON (currently fundraising for episode transcription services and a video editor): https://patreon.com/politicallyasian -- MUSIC by Clueless Kit: https://soundcloud.com/cluelesskit Song title: live now -- ALGORITHM? Chinese American Politics, Korean American Politics, Japanese American Politics, South Asian politics, Asian American politics, AAPI politics, Asian American Political Alliance, Asian American leader, Asian American Protests 1960s, Asian American policy, Asian leftist, Asian American leftist, Asian American leftist podcast

Most of the content creators spend months brainstorming, scripting, recording, editing and finally uploading their course on digital platforms. But what next? What can be the best strategy to create awareness about your course, bring more visitors, and get more students enrolled for the course? To help understand the best SEO strategies for promoting courses, we had Marcio Santos, Founder of Nerd Digital with us in the recent episode of Digital Marketing Gyaan podcast. As the founder, Marcio helps course creators from around the world quickly adapt existing courses in a way that is unique and sells. He does this by coaching course creators using the frameworks that he learned from working with amazing brands like BMW, BMO, Boba Guys, Immi Eats, Kettle & Fire, Danone, Scotiabank, THE TEN SPOT, Remedy Kombucha, and more. #Podcast #DigitalMarekting #SEO #CoursePromotion #ContentCreator #PromotingCourses #DigitalMarketingGyaan #PrinceKumarSingh #MarcioSantos

New Tuesday, new episode! This week in Asian American politics: - The Supreme Court is deciding whether to get rid of affirmative action or not and it's the one of the few times where almost all Asian people have an opinion on something related to politics - LA Chinatown slumlord Don Toy seeks to profit from abusing Asian elders by selling Cathay Manor, one of the last low-income apartment units in Chinatown. - Boba Guys record employee audio without consent and use it to fire them - Elon Musk buys Twitter. Everyone, it's time to go to Tumblr. -- WHAT'S POLITICALLY ASIAN PODCAST? Two Asians talking about politics and the Asian American community to get more Asians talking about politics! Join comedians Aaron Yin (he/him) and Gerrie Lim (they/them) for 45 minutes-ish each week as they discuss current topics and events related to Asian Americans through the lenses of history, class, and advocacy. Think John Oliver's show, but there's two of us, and we're Asian. -- CHECK US OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA: Our memes are so good Asian people will mention them when they meet us in real life. ➤ Instagram: https://instagram.com/politicallyasianpodcast/ ➤ Twitter: https://twitter.com/politicasianpod ➤ Website: https://politicallyasianpodcast.com -- INQUIRIES: politicallyasianpodcast@gmail.com -- SUPPORT US ON PATREON (currently fundraising for episode transcription services and a video editor): https://patreon.com/politicallyasian -- MUSIC by Clueless Kit: https://soundcloud.com/cluelesskit Song title: live now -- ALGORITHM? Chinese American Politics, Korean American Politics, Japanese American Politics, South Asian politics, Asian American politics, AAPI politics, Asian American Political Alliance, Asian American leader, Asian American Protests 1960s, Asian American policy, Asian leftist, Asian American leftist, Asian American leftist podcast

Marcio coaches course creators like Khe Hy from Radreads, Ted Seides from Capital Allocators, and Robbie Crabtree from Performative Speaking. He's also the founder of Nerd Digital and has coached dozens of other course creators as a Marketing coach with Maven. Marcio has worked with brands like Boba Guys, Immi Eats, Kettle & Fire, Danone, THE TEN SPOT, Remedy Kombucha, and more to generate millions in online sales using digital marketing and is excited to work with course creators every day. He also believes the e-learning market is poised for continued growth, and he's excited to help people take advantage of the opportunity. Website: www.nerddigital.com LinkedIn: imarciosantos Twitter: https://twitter.com/iMarcioSantos Facebook profile: imarciosantos Free access to Lead Magnet Tool: Nerddigital.com

Andrew Chau is co-founder and CEO of Boba Guys and Tea People USA, an Inc.Magazine 500award recipient. He has been featured as a top emerging business leader on CNN, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Vogue, and NPR. Prior to a career in Consumer Product Goods and corporate marketing, Andrew started and exited his first startup in 2011. In his free time, he loves traveling and is a freelance writer and an angel investor for consumer-driven businesses. His best-selling book with Penguin Random House, The Boba Book, came out in April 2020. He has his undergraduate and graduate degrees from UC Berkeley.He and his wife are based inSan Francisco, CA Host: Jamie Neale @jamienealejn Discussing rituals and habitual patterns in personal and work life. We ask questions about how to become more aware of oneself and the world around us, how do we become 360 with ourselves? Host Instagram: @jamienealejn Podcast Instagram: @360_yourself Music from Electric Fruit Produced by Tom Dalby Composed by Toby Wright

Marcio believes that the most important thing we can do is to help each other learn faster because the machines are coming. And that this will require psychological and emotional support to enable learning more complex things in shorter periods of time, as the changes and demands in the workplace accelerate. He's excited every day for the opportunity to work with people that have dedicated their lives to teaching others and creating learning communities like Khe Hy (kay hee) from Radreads.co, Ted Seides from CapitalAllocators.com, Robbie Crabtree from Performative Speaking, Lorraine Lee from Prezi, and many more. Marcio lucked into working with course creators after leaving an agency job where he worked with brands like BMW, Scotiabank, and Western Union. He left the agency world to become a freelancer because he wanted to spend as much time as he could with his mother after she was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease. While freelancing he worked with brands like Kettle and Fire, THE TEN SPOT, Boba Guys, Immi Eats, Remedy Kombucha, Boston Comiccon, and many other brands, and now shares everything he knows with course creators to help them scale fast. To learn more about Marcio, check out his website: https://www.nerddigital.com/ and check out the FREE gift that Marcio is offering listeners: https://www.nerddigital.com/courage You can also connect with and follow Marcio on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/imarciosantos/ ******************************************** Want to learn how to attract, hire, and retain top-tier employees? Interested in learning how to scale your business to increase revenue and profit while working less? Then join my Business Success Mastermind group. A new cohort is starting. Now accepting applications: https://ib4e-coaching.com/mastermind ******************************************** Please support this podcast: https://ib4e-coaching.com/podinfo #leadership #leadershipcoaching #business #success #marciosantos #nerddigital #onlinecourse ******************************************** If you like this podcast, consider supporting the effort. Every little bit helps. Thanks.

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HEAR THE HEADLINES – American Consumers say The Worst of the Coronavirus Pandemic has Passed | Expect Strong Venture Capital Support for Retail in 2022 | Join Tea Biz "On the Floor" at World Tea Conference + Expo| PLUS listen to how the Boba Guys are Building a Gateway to Tea | NEWSMAKER – Andrew Chau, co-founder and CEO Boba Guys, bubble tea shops in San Francisco. Los Angeles and New York City | FEATURE INTRO – This week Tea Biz traveled to Las Vegas for the World Tea Conference + Expo where Boba Tea CEO Andrew Chau, a featured speaker, explains how relentless attention to quality elevated a simple mix of milk tea and tapioca to a $3 billion global segment that is enticing a generation of non-tea drinkers to give tea a try. 'We Really Push the Envelope for Quality' – Boba Guys make their drinks with natural fruit, real milk, real foamed cheese, raw sugar, and natural tea, brewed from loose-leaf oolong and other quality varietals and served with tapioca balls made in their factory. The bustling chain, now with 20 locations in San Francisco, Los Angeles, and New York City, was co-founded by Andrew Chau and Bin Chen. | ON THE FLOOR at World Tea Conference + Expo – Mackenzie Bailey is On the Floor with the Tea Biz podcast at the 20th anniversary of the World Tea Conference + Expo. She reports a high level of excitement with tea vendors, customers, and attendees of the adjacent Bar and Restaurant Expo. Mackenzie spoke with several tea vendors about how the event unfolded.

Don't miss out on the next WeAreLATech podcast episode, get notified by signing up here http://wearelatech.com/podcastWelcome to WeAreLATech's Los Angeles Tech Community Spotlight!   “Taly Matiteyahu and Laura Ciccone of Blink Date”WeAreLATech Podcast is a WeAreTech.fm production.To support our podcast go to http://wearelatech.com/believe To be featured on the podcast go to http://wearelatech.com/feature-your-la-startup/Want to be featured in the WeAreLATech Community? Create your profile here http://wearelatech.com/communityHost,Espree Devorahttps://twitter.com/espreedevorahttps://www.linkedin.com/in/espreeGuest,Taly Matiteyahuhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/talymatiteyahu/Guest,Laura Cicconehttps://twitter.com/lcicconeListener Spotlight, Joseph Holguin http://josephholguin.comFor a calendar of all LA Startup events go to, http://WeAreLATech.comTo further immerse yourself into the LA Tech community go to http://wearelatech.com/vipLinks Mentioned:Blink Date, https://www.theblinkdate.comSeed Scout, https://www.seedscout.comClubhouse, https://www.clubhouse.comNetflix, https://www.netflix.comCodeTalk, https://www.stjosephctr.org/codetalk/Boba Guys, https://www.bobaguys.com/los-angeles-expressFounders Boost, https://www.foundersboost.comDesign And Dev, https://www.ladesignanddev.comPeople Mentioned:Jill DaSilva, https://www.linkedin.com/in/dasilvajill/Credits:Produced and Hosted by Espree Devora, http://espreedevora.comStory Produced, Edited and Mastered by Cory Jennings, https://www.coryjennings.com/Production and Voiceover by Adam Carroll, http://www.ariacreative.ca/Team support by Janice GeronimoMusic by Jay Huffman, https://soundcloud.com/jayhuffmanShort Title: Taly Matiteyahu and Laura Ciccone

Meet our Asian creative: Sarah Hartono!!  Sarah Hartono, is an entrepreneur, designer, businesswoman, a dear friend of mine, and a woman after God's own heart. Sarah is the founder and CEO of a nonprofit sticker start-up called Generous Generation (GenGen) and is currently building a childhood development kit called Millu.  She's worked professionally at Nintendo, Quizlet, and Boba Guys! She is passionate about redemptive entrepreneurship, collaboration over competition, and how Gen-Z can practice healthy life rhythms to impact the culture for future endeavors.  Listen in as we discuss what co-creating with God and practicing the sabbath in today's society can look like!  Go support Sarah:  IG: @waeffles Gen Gen IG: gengen.community Millu IG: @millubox

In today's episode of OneHaas, hosts Ellen Chan and Sean Li profile Haas Alumnus Andrew Chau, the guy who refers to himself (on LinkedIn) as the "janitor" and CEO of Boba Guys. The AAPI and mental health awareness month come to a close, and Andrew discusses discrimination and mental health. Andrew discusses how leaders are vulnerable to being dehumanized. Check out his tips on how to handle these mental health issues affecting leaders. Listen to the end of the episode as he discusses his experiences with discrimination as a leader and as a business owner. The episode ends with a very good discussion on the struggles Asian American leaders face in balancing their eastern influences on collectivism and western influences on individualism. *Episode Quotes:* ----------------- *On Discrimination and Prejudice in the Food Industry:* “I believe that there is bias and prejudice, definitely in business that people don't want to talk about. We're not perfect, but we're trying to fight the good fight. We're not gonna do that much damage in one generation. It takes multi-generational to kind of move the whole industry.” *What’s One Advice He Gives to Young People Who Want to Study Business?* “You want to study business and you want to be a great leader in business? The number one skill you're going to need to have is your people skills.” *Andrew shares tips on handling the stress and pressure of CEOs and founders:* "Every founder has got to get a therapist […] if you can afford one, get one ASAP. The number one thing that hurts[...] most founders, because it happened to me, is when people dehumanize founders and leaders[…] Especially if you get big. I'm going to tell you, people will never understand." *Show Links:* ------------- * Andrew Chau on LinkedIn ( https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewchau/ ) * Andrew Chau on Instagram ( https://www.instagram.com/chaumeleon/?hl=en ) * The Boba Book ( https://www.amazon.com/Boba-Book-Bubble-Tea-Beyond-ebook/dp/B07STS175R ) * Dare to Lead, Brené Brown ( https://www.amazon.com/Dare-Lead-Brave-Conversations-Hearts-ebook/dp/B07CWGFPS7/ref=sr_1_1?crid=32Y2HH86UPEY9&dchild=1&keywords=dare+to+lead+brene+brown&qid=1622217002&s=digital-text&sprefix=dare+to+elad+bre%2Cdigital-text%2C379&sr=1-1 ) * The Gifts of Imperfection, Brené Brown ( https://www.amazon.com/Gifts-Imperfection-Think-Supposed-Embrace-ebook/dp/B00BS03LL6/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=the+gift+of+imperfection+brene+brown&qid=1622217029&s=digital-text&sr=1-1 ) * Rising Strong, Brené Brown ( https://www.amazon.com/Rising-Strong-Ability-Transforms-Parent-ebook/dp/B00P5557G2/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=rising+strong+brene+brown&qid=1622217054&s=digital-text&sr=1-1 ) * The Boba Guys Official Website ( https://www.bobaguys.com/ ) * The Boba Guys Official FB Page ( https://www.facebook.com/bobaguys/ ) * The Boba Guys Official Instagram Page ( https://www.instagram.com/bobaguys/ ) * The Boba Guys Official Twitter Page ( https://twitter.com/BobaGuys ) Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/onehaas/donations

We're chatting with Andrew Chau, the co-founder and CEO of Boba Guys, a national boba brand that's bridging cultures through deliciously disarming beverages. If you live in the Bay Area, LA, or NYC, you've probably passed by -- or through -- a Boba Guys store. Today, Boba Guys has 18 immaculately designed retail locations, but as with most start-up stories, it has humble beginnings. Co-founder and CEO Andrew Chau grew up in ‘80s New Jersey, in a working-class neighborhood that was home to primarily Jewish and Italian families, where his parents ran a Chinese restaurant. Outside of food, the only Asian representation he saw were in Bruce Lee action films, courtesy of VHS tapes he'd rent from a video shop in a neighboring town. This changed when he moved to California, attended UC Berkeley, and got his start in marketing at retail and CPG companies, spanning Target, Walmart, Timbuk2, and Clorox. While running a boba brand had never been a part of the 5 year plan, when Andrew met his future co-founder Bin at Timbuk2, the two got to brainstorming what they could create together while sipping boba drinks, and soon, the boba concept became inescapable. Andrew kept his corporate job for the first 3 years of Boba Guys, before cutting the cord and going all in on growing the company. That said, if you ask Andrew what business he's in, it doesn't stop at boba. Boba Guys is ultimately about bridging cultures. Even with their national retail footprint, tens of thousands of Yelp reviews, and millions of loyal customers, Andrew has stayed true to the mission. Boba Guys doesn't franchise, nor have they taken outside money. Co-founders Andrew and Bin are in it for the long haul. We'll talk with Andrew about his experience growing up Asian American in the ‘80s, the always worthwhile but often painful lessons he's learned while making Boba Guys a household name, and unconventional ways for driving change in ways that feel authentic to who we are -- whether that be brazenly outspoken, stoically committed, or something in between. Stay tuned for an unfiltered conversation with one of the most forthcoming CEOs whom we've had the pleasure of chatting with, Andrew Chau. More Andrew: Instagram @chaumeleon @bobaguys Twitter @chaumeleon More Hot & Sour Soup for the Soul: ✋Not Your Auntie's Jade Jewelry ✋

In response to the violent exhibition of racism, xenophobia, and hate crimes towards Asians in America, Kollab SF hosted a #StopAsianHate fishbowl conversation with some of our friends on Twitch (twitch.tv/kollabsf). Moderated by Kollab SF staff Ray Wong and Adrian Chen, we discussed the history as well as our own experiences of anti-Asian sentiment and aggressions in this country. Our guests also go over what actionable next steps you and allies can take to stand up for the APIDA community. Guests include Andrew Chau (IG: @bobaguys), Minji Chang (IG: @minjeezy), Ashley Judilla (IG: @winteeer_solstice), and Christina Kieu (IG: @christina_kieu). To learn more and support others in the community go to https://anti-asianviolenceresources.carrd.co/ This episode was originally broadcast live on Twitch on Thursday, March 25, 2021. Follow Kollab SF: Twitter: @kollabsf Instagram: @kollabsf Twitch: @kollabsf Facebook: www.facebook.com/kollab.sf Website: kollabsf.org/podcast --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/gold-and-great/message

In today’s episode, we discuss one of our favourite drinks, bubble tea! Also known as boba, we look at the history behind this popular drink. Where did it come from? How was it created? What does the bubble actually mean? Sit back and relax as we chat through all these questions over our own favourite bubble tea drinks. If you want to go ahead and get your favorite drink, please do. Also, guess how many times Vic visited Boba Guys in one day? HINT: She LOVES Boba Guys. 0:00 - Intro 1:00 - What’s Bubble Tea/Boba? 2:00 - Boba Guys 2:32 - When was Bubble Tea invented 2:55 - Traditional Tea Houses in Taiwan 4:52 - How was Boba discovered? 8:28 - Customizing Boba 9:47 - Vic’s Love for Boba Guys 11:06 - What does Bubble mean in Bubble Tea? 12:38 - When did Boba move to North America? 13:16 - What are the Tapioca balls? 15:52 - Is Boba Healthy? -----------

We get real with Andrew, the co-founder of Boba Guys. Join us as we discuss why Boba Guys can't be imitated,  vulnerability among Asians, and what you can do to support the Chinatown community.  If you enjoyed this episode, please rate and subscribe. 讓我們一起加油! IG: @taiwanren.co Email: cindy@taiwanren.co Support the show: http://patreon.com/taiwanren See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to Episode 17 of the Asian Hustle Network Podcast! We are very excited to have Andrew Chau on this week's episode. We interview Asian entrepreneurs around the world to amplify their voices and empower Asians to pursue their dreams and goals. We believe that each person has a message and a unique story from their entrepreneurial journey that they can share with all of us. Check us out on Anchor, iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play Music, TuneIn, Spotify, and more. If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe and leave us a positive 5-star review. This is our opportunity to use the voices of the Asian community and share these incredible stories with the world. We release a new episode every Wednesday, so stay tuned! Andrew Chau is one half of Boba Guys and Tea People USA. A former blogger for GOOD magazine, Andrew writes about entrepreneurship through the lens of brand marketing, technology, and the lean startup approach. Prior to a career in CPG and corporate marketing, Andrew started and exited his first startup in 2011. He has his MBA from the Haas School of Business at UC Berkeley. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/asianhustlenetwork/support

Minji Kwon is a graphic designer, dog walker, babysitter, and a snack connoisseur. Amanda Hagenbuch is a photographer, baker, barista, and a musician for her band, Weekend Athlete. The two went to University of the Arts and I know them by going to UArts parties. We talk Philly Naked Bike Ride, Pretzel Ride, and dropping off pastries at Amanda's house parties at 3AM. This episode is not sponsored by Boba Guys. Please welcome Minji Kwon and Syd of Weekend Athlete to Wear Many Hats. instagram.com/weekendathleteband instagram.com/mkwon instagram.com/wearmanyhatswmh instagram.com/rashadrastam rashadrastam.com wearmanyhats.com dahsar.com

主播：翩翩 | Bipasha今天，跟大家要聊个“梗儿”——爆红网络的“秋天的第一杯奶茶”。*网络爆红：go viral /ˈvaɪrəl/ “梗”：trend /meme爆红网络的梗：a viral trend / a viral memeFirst cup of BOBA in AUTUMNWhat do you think about it?对于这个“梗儿”，你这么看？the main reason why the trend has gone viral（这个“梗儿”爆红的主要原因）：人们买来 boba（奶茶），putting it in plastic bottle containers（塑料容器）or other containers。It does not look as aesthetic as milk tea's usually look.一点也不像奶茶的审美。Where did the trend come from? 这个“梗儿”是怎么来的？We are not quite sure这个“梗儿”是怎么流行的（become a trend）。Viewers if you know, please leave a comment and let us know. （请尝试用英文留言哦）What's the difference between Boba and Bubble Tea? Boba和Bubble Tea区别在哪？Boba专指珍珠奶茶（milk tea with pearls） Boba is a cute name for the drink.When and Where did Boba originate? 奶茶的起源起源：Bubble tea originated（起源于） in Asia.第一次被发现：in Taipei, Taiwan（中国台湾，台北） in the late 80s.中国凉茶：Liu Han-Chieh，the founder, who first came up with（提出） the idea of serving Chinese tea cold. 明清之后，中国人才开始使用泡茶法：drink tea without milk（茶汤里什么都不放），purely enjoy the flavor（香气） of the tea leaves soaked（浸泡） in Hot Water印度茶：they drink tea with spices（香料） that are rejuvenating（使……恢复精神）and good for health汉唐时期的中国茶：会把茶叶和“葱、姜、枣、橘皮、茱萸、薄荷”等同煮Does it have any Nutritional Value?奶茶有什么营养价值吗？Bubble Tea has very little to no nutritional value.（几乎没有营养价值）珍珠奶茶的含糖量：has up to（高达）36 grams（克） of sugar which is equivalents to（与……相等） a can of soda（一罐苏打水）.因为高含糖量（high volume of sugar），让人喝起来很上瘾（addictive）。Is Bubble Tea Popular in America? 珍珠奶茶在美国流行吗？Bubble tea is very popular in America.在California，更多的时候，把“珍珠奶茶”叫作：boba tea。奶茶started in Taiwan（始于中国台湾），then Japan，然后迅速在西方made its way（杀出一条销路）。American Boba brands：美国也有中国的本土品牌（local brands）：CoCo, Hey Tea, Tiger SugarCalifornia also has its very famous local brands（加州的本土品牌）：Boba Guys, Urban Ritual and Purple CowBoba和rice, dumplings, pho（米粉）, soy sauce（酱油）, Korean barbecue一样，都已经成为Asian-American popular culture（亚裔美国人流行文化）的tokens（标记），是一种identity（文化象征）。（奶茶也算是一种文化输出了。）The price奶茶价格：在中国：一杯奶茶，avg. between 15-30RMB；在美国：depends on（取决于）the size（大小） and where you are getting the drink from（地点），on average（平均起来） a cup of Boba is around $5-10 dollars。Some fun stories or memories of Boba 奶茶轶事Boba was part of Bipasha's everyday life.（奶茶已经成为日常的一部分）Something about Bipasha会和朋友randomly（不定时地） drive down to（开车去） popular bubble tea shops，去喝 a specific Boba Drink（特定的奶茶）。personal favorite is White Gourd Milk Tea (冬瓜珍珠奶茶) Bipasha会喝“冬瓜珍珠奶茶”来 de-stress herself （解压），或者 treat herself for surviving the week（对自己一周努力的奖励）.但Bipasha在青岛还没有找到朝思暮想的“冬瓜珍珠奶茶”，有知道的听众可以留言告诉Bipasha哦。在美国，如果不喝奶茶的话，人们通常会喝coffee, smoothies, or fruit juices。在加州，health smoothies are very popular（流行）, 许多女孩喜欢每天都喝 Green smoothies 来 cleanse their body（净化身体） and stay fit（保持健康）. Green Smoothies在本质上（essentially）是vegetable smoothies with fruits。请听众朋友们猜一下：smoothies是什么饮料？请留言告诉我们：你喜欢喝什么奶茶？

主播：翩翩 | Bipasha今天，跟大家要聊个“梗儿”——爆红网络的“秋天的第一杯奶茶”。*网络爆红：go viral /ˈvaɪrəl/ “梗”：trend /meme爆红网络的梗：a viral trend / a viral memeFirst cup of BOBA in AUTUMNWhat do you think about it?对于这个“梗儿”，你这么看？the main reason why the trend has gone viral（这个“梗儿”爆红的主要原因）：人们买来 boba（奶茶），putting it in plastic bottle containers（塑料容器）or other containers。It does not look as aesthetic as milk tea's usually look.一点也不像奶茶的审美。Where did the trend come from? 这个“梗儿”是怎么来的？We are not quite sure这个“梗儿”是怎么流行的（become a trend）。Viewers if you know, please leave a comment and let us know. （请尝试用英文留言哦）What's the difference between Boba and Bubble Tea? Boba和Bubble Tea区别在哪？Boba专指珍珠奶茶（milk tea with pearls） Boba is a cute name for the drink.When and Where did Boba originate? 奶茶的起源起源：Bubble tea originated（起源于） in Asia.第一次被发现：in Taipei, Taiwan（中国台湾，台北） in the late 80s.中国凉茶：Liu Han-Chieh，the founder, who first came up with（提出） the idea of serving Chinese tea cold. 明清之后，中国人才开始使用泡茶法：drink tea without milk（茶汤里什么都不放），purely enjoy the flavor（香气） of the tea leaves soaked（浸泡） in Hot Water印度茶：they drink tea with spices（香料） that are rejuvenating（使……恢复精神）and good for health汉唐时期的中国茶：会把茶叶和“葱、姜、枣、橘皮、茱萸、薄荷”等同煮Does it have any Nutritional Value?奶茶有什么营养价值吗？Bubble Tea has very little to no nutritional value.（几乎没有营养价值）珍珠奶茶的含糖量：has up to（高达）36 grams（克） of sugar which is equivalents to（与……相等） a can of soda（一罐苏打水）.因为高含糖量（high volume of sugar），让人喝起来很上瘾（addictive）。Is Bubble Tea Popular in America? 珍珠奶茶在美国流行吗？Bubble tea is very popular in America.在California，更多的时候，把“珍珠奶茶”叫作：boba tea。奶茶started in Taiwan（始于中国台湾），then Japan，然后迅速在西方made its way（杀出一条销路）。American Boba brands：美国也有中国的本土品牌（local brands）：CoCo, Hey Tea, Tiger SugarCalifornia also has its very famous local brands（加州的本土品牌）：Boba Guys, Urban Ritual and Purple CowBoba和rice, dumplings, pho（米粉）, soy sauce（酱油）, Korean barbecue一样，都已经成为Asian-American popular culture（亚裔美国人流行文化）的tokens（标记），是一种identity（文化象征）。（奶茶也算是一种文化输出了。）The price奶茶价格：在中国：一杯奶茶，avg. between 15-30RMB；在美国：depends on（取决于）the size（大小） and where you are getting the drink from（地点），on average（平均起来） a cup of Boba is around $5-10 dollars。Some fun stories or memories of Boba 奶茶轶事Boba was part of Bipasha's everyday life.（奶茶已经成为日常的一部分）Something about Bipasha会和朋友randomly（不定时地） drive down to（开车去） popular bubble tea shops，去喝 a specific Boba Drink（特定的奶茶）。personal favorite is White Gourd Milk Tea (冬瓜珍珠奶茶) Bipasha会喝“冬瓜珍珠奶茶”来 de-stress herself （解压），或者 treat herself for surviving the week（对自己一周努力的奖励）.但Bipasha在青岛还没有找到朝思暮想的“冬瓜珍珠奶茶”，有知道的听众可以留言告诉Bipasha哦。在美国，如果不喝奶茶的话，人们通常会喝coffee, smoothies, or fruit juices。在加州，health smoothies are very popular（流行）, 许多女孩喜欢每天都喝 Green smoothies 来 cleanse their body（净化身体） and stay fit（保持健康）. Green Smoothies在本质上（essentially）是vegetable smoothies with fruits。请听众朋友们猜一下：smoothies是什么饮料？请留言告诉我们：你喜欢喝什么奶茶？

主播：翩翩 | Bipasha今天，跟大家要聊个“梗儿”——爆红网络的“秋天的第一杯奶茶”。*网络爆红：go viral /ˈvaɪrəl/ “梗”：trend /meme爆红网络的梗：a viral trend / a viral memeFirst cup of BOBA in AUTUMNWhat do you think about it?对于这个“梗儿”，你这么看？the main reason why the trend has gone viral（这个“梗儿”爆红的主要原因）：人们买来 boba（奶茶），putting it in plastic bottle containers（塑料容器）or other containers。It does not look as aesthetic as milk tea's usually look.一点也不像奶茶的审美。Where did the trend come from? 这个“梗儿”是怎么来的？We are not quite sure这个“梗儿”是怎么流行的（become a trend）。Viewers if you know, please leave a comment and let us know. （请尝试用英文留言哦）What's the difference between Boba and Bubble Tea? Boba和Bubble Tea区别在哪？Boba专指珍珠奶茶（milk tea with pearls） Boba is a cute name for the drink.When and Where did Boba originate? 奶茶的起源起源：Bubble tea originated（起源于） in Asia.第一次被发现：in Taipei, Taiwan（中国台湾，台北） in the late 80s.中国凉茶：Liu Han-Chieh，the founder, who first came up with（提出） the idea of serving Chinese tea cold. 明清之后，中国人才开始使用泡茶法：drink tea without milk（茶汤里什么都不放），purely enjoy the flavor（香气） of the tea leaves soaked（浸泡） in Hot Water印度茶：they drink tea with spices（香料） that are rejuvenating（使……恢复精神）and good for health汉唐时期的中国茶：会把茶叶和“葱、姜、枣、橘皮、茱萸、薄荷”等同煮Does it have any Nutritional Value?奶茶有什么营养价值吗？Bubble Tea has very little to no nutritional value.（几乎没有营养价值）珍珠奶茶的含糖量：has up to（高达）36 grams（克） of sugar which is equivalents to（与……相等） a can of soda（一罐苏打水）.因为高含糖量（high volume of sugar），让人喝起来很上瘾（addictive）。Is Bubble Tea Popular in America? 珍珠奶茶在美国流行吗？Bubble tea is very popular in America.在California，更多的时候，把“珍珠奶茶”叫作：boba tea。奶茶started in Taiwan（始于中国台湾），then Japan，然后迅速在西方made its way（杀出一条销路）。American Boba brands：美国也有中国的本土品牌（local brands）：CoCo, Hey Tea, Tiger SugarCalifornia also has its very famous local brands（加州的本土品牌）：Boba Guys, Urban Ritual and Purple CowBoba和rice, dumplings, pho（米粉）, soy sauce（酱油）, Korean barbecue一样，都已经成为Asian-American popular culture（亚裔美国人流行文化）的tokens（标记），是一种identity（文化象征）。（奶茶也算是一种文化输出了。）The price奶茶价格：在中国：一杯奶茶，avg. between 15-30RMB；在美国：depends on（取决于）the size（大小） and where you are getting the drink from（地点），on average（平均起来） a cup of Boba is around $5-10 dollars。Some fun stories or memories of Boba 奶茶轶事Boba was part of Bipasha's everyday life.（奶茶已经成为日常的一部分）Something about Bipasha会和朋友randomly（不定时地） drive down to（开车去） popular bubble tea shops，去喝 a specific Boba Drink（特定的奶茶）。personal favorite is White Gourd Milk Tea (冬瓜珍珠奶茶) Bipasha会喝“冬瓜珍珠奶茶”来 de-stress herself （解压），或者 treat herself for surviving the week（对自己一周努力的奖励）.但Bipasha在青岛还没有找到朝思暮想的“冬瓜珍珠奶茶”，有知道的听众可以留言告诉Bipasha哦。在美国，如果不喝奶茶的话，人们通常会喝coffee, smoothies, or fruit juices。在加州，health smoothies are very popular（流行）, 许多女孩喜欢每天都喝 Green smoothies 来 cleanse their body（净化身体） and stay fit（保持健康）. Green Smoothies在本质上（essentially）是vegetable smoothies with fruits。请听众朋友们猜一下：smoothies是什么饮料？请留言告诉我们：你喜欢喝什么奶茶？

主播：翩翩 | Bipasha今天，跟大家要聊个“梗儿”——爆红网络的“秋天的第一杯奶茶”。*网络爆红：go viral /ˈvaɪrəl/ “梗”：trend /meme爆红网络的梗：a viral trend / a viral memeFirst cup of BOBA in AUTUMNWhat do you think about it?对于这个“梗儿”，你这么看？the main reason why the trend has gone viral（这个“梗儿”爆红的主要原因）：人们买来 boba（奶茶），putting it in plastic bottle containers（塑料容器）or other containers。It does not look as aesthetic as milk tea's usually look.一点也不像奶茶的审美。Where did the trend come from? 这个“梗儿”是怎么来的？We are not quite sure这个“梗儿”是怎么流行的（become a trend）。Viewers if you know, please leave a comment and let us know. （请尝试用英文留言哦）What's the difference between Boba and Bubble Tea? Boba和Bubble Tea区别在哪？Boba专指珍珠奶茶（milk tea with pearls） Boba is a cute name for the drink.When and Where did Boba originate? 奶茶的起源起源：Bubble tea originated（起源于） in Asia.第一次被发现：in Taipei, Taiwan（中国台湾，台北） in the late 80s.中国凉茶：Liu Han-Chieh，the founder, who first came up with（提出） the idea of serving Chinese tea cold. 明清之后，中国人才开始使用泡茶法：drink tea without milk（茶汤里什么都不放），purely enjoy the flavor（香气） of the tea leaves soaked（浸泡） in Hot Water印度茶：they drink tea with spices（香料） that are rejuvenating（使……恢复精神）and good for health汉唐时期的中国茶：会把茶叶和“葱、姜、枣、橘皮、茱萸、薄荷”等同煮Does it have any Nutritional Value?奶茶有什么营养价值吗？Bubble Tea has very little to no nutritional value.（几乎没有营养价值）珍珠奶茶的含糖量：has up to（高达）36 grams（克） of sugar which is equivalents to（与……相等） a can of soda（一罐苏打水）.因为高含糖量（high volume of sugar），让人喝起来很上瘾（addictive）。Is Bubble Tea Popular in America? 珍珠奶茶在美国流行吗？Bubble tea is very popular in America.在California，更多的时候，把“珍珠奶茶”叫作：boba tea。奶茶started in Taiwan（始于中国台湾），then Japan，然后迅速在西方made its way（杀出一条销路）。American Boba brands：美国也有中国的本土品牌（local brands）：CoCo, Hey Tea, Tiger SugarCalifornia also has its very famous local brands（加州的本土品牌）：Boba Guys, Urban Ritual and Purple CowBoba和rice, dumplings, pho（米粉）, soy sauce（酱油）, Korean barbecue一样，都已经成为Asian-American popular culture（亚裔美国人流行文化）的tokens（标记），是一种identity（文化象征）。（奶茶也算是一种文化输出了。）The price奶茶价格：在中国：一杯奶茶，avg. between 15-30RMB；在美国：depends on（取决于）the size（大小） and where you are getting the drink from（地点），on average（平均起来） a cup of Boba is around $5-10 dollars。Some fun stories or memories of Boba 奶茶轶事Boba was part of Bipasha's everyday life.（奶茶已经成为日常的一部分）Something about Bipasha会和朋友randomly（不定时地） drive down to（开车去） popular bubble tea shops，去喝 a specific Boba Drink（特定的奶茶）。personal favorite is White Gourd Milk Tea (冬瓜珍珠奶茶) Bipasha会喝“冬瓜珍珠奶茶”来 de-stress herself （解压），或者 treat herself for surviving the week（对自己一周努力的奖励）.但Bipasha在青岛还没有找到朝思暮想的“冬瓜珍珠奶茶”，有知道的听众可以留言告诉Bipasha哦。在美国，如果不喝奶茶的话，人们通常会喝coffee, smoothies, or fruit juices。在加州，health smoothies are very popular（流行）, 许多女孩喜欢每天都喝 Green smoothies 来 cleanse their body（净化身体） and stay fit（保持健康）. Green Smoothies在本质上（essentially）是vegetable smoothies with fruits。请听众朋友们猜一下：smoothies是什么饮料？请留言告诉我们：你喜欢喝什么奶茶？

Dolly and Joey are on vacation for 2 weeks, so here's a special unlocked episode we released to just our Patreon subscribers last month. This is the *first* episode of Plum Radio ever made. We recorded this way back in February before we launched as an IG live show. Do you remember February? We don’t either. But we *do* remember the presidential bid of Andrew Yang, who was promising everyone free money with slogans like “Make America Think Harder,” and for some reason, “MATH.” Back in 2019, the Boba Guys endorsed Yang with a picture of a red, white, and blue boba drink with the caption “Not left, not right...but boba.” To us, this was the perfect representation of a term we’d heard, “boba liberalism”: packaging yourself for easy consumption, with sugary politics to mask structural problems. Which led us to our first guest: Jenny G. Zhang, staff writer at Eater and author of the essay, "The Rise (And Stall) Of The Boba Generation." This pilot episode set the foundation for Plum Radio and what we are trying to do: reject politics as usual, relearn our history, reclaim our narrative, and build political consciousness in our community. We hope this is only the beginning of more conversation and interesting times ahead. Let’s spill some tea! -- We pride ourselves on being independent media at Plum Radio. Follow us on IG (@listentoplumradio), and support us on Patreon (patreon.com/plumradio) if you’re here for the culture and want to be part of the vision.

Hello from our galaxy brain!    This week, we begin with a brief chat about (social) media “cancel culture,” based on an open letter recently published in Harper’s. We then discuss a workplace controversy at the Boba Guys chain; the suicide of the mayor of Seoul, Park Won-soon, and what his death means in the context of South Korean feminism, per Tammy’s reporting; and a telling exchange about the NBA’s rules of wokeness between Republican US Senator Josh Hawley and ESPN NBA reporter Adrian Wojnarowski.As always, thank you for listening and subscribing. Please spread the word and send feedback via Twitter (@ttsgpod) or email (timetosaygoodbyepod@gmail.com)! 0:57 – What are the boundaries of “free speech” on the Internet and in the minds of media elites? Who has the power to cancel whom? 7:29 – Why did the owners of Boba Guys go all out on “Black Lives Matter” while mistreating Black and Latinx employees, and what does their conduct reveal about Asian-American food culture? 31:00 – Why have so many high-profile South Korean men escaped accountability for gender-based misconduct and violence? What are the contours of Korea’s #MeToo movement?56:19 – Is it right for the NBA to host games in Orlando during the pandemic? Should we support “Free Woj” or does the other side have a point about league-sanctioned political slogans? Is it good when radical politics become safe enough to adopt by profit-driven corporations? (also Jay tries to remember what the CLS kritik said.)Share and subscribe! Get on the email list at goodbye.substack.com

When you are a man, sometimes you wear stretchy pants. This week on the podcast we learn all about this Nacho Libre-ism — and also about "taqueria shorts" — the hard way... or, more precisely, the soft and squishy around the midsection way. Also! We speak with Grace Z. Li about her thoroughly researched story on systemic racism and performative allyship at Boba Guys; chat with Mike Huguenor about the San Francisco librarians on the front lines of the pandemic; and catch up with the boys from Fast Times, a local band with a killer new indie garage single, "Tuesday Night." We hope you'll join us.

Today, Joe Lofaso joins us and discusses his black market ear rings (IG: https://www.instagram.com/shopgooey/?hl=en ), relationship pet peeves, Promare movie review, why we won't be drinking Boba Guys or Starbucks on the show and many poop stories. Write to us for relationship advice or engineering help at bobahappyhour@gmail.com. You can find us on instagram at https://www.instagram.com/thebobahappyhour/?hl=en, you can find Joe at https://www.instagram.com/joesjpegs/?hl=en, Lil at https://www.instagram.com/lilzsamuel/?hl=en and Heem at https://www.instagram.com/heemry/?hl=en. New Episodes Every Thursday!!

The importance of good leadership has never felt or been so significant. In a profoundly complicated and dire moment for humanity, we citizens of the world have had to lean on our various leaders to guide and decide much of our futures. We've seen more and more examples of the best and worst of them - those who lead by example with integrity, honesty, and vision, and those who attempt to dominate, manipulate, or simply avoid responsibility. It's in this moment of high stakes and intense reflection that we naturally take note of what good leadership actually looks like. To dive into this important topic, Minji invites back a FOA favorite, Boba Guys' co-founder Andrew Chau. As an entrepreneur, small business owner and advocate, Andrew shares her passion for understanding and sharing what good leaders are made of. Together they share stories of their own development, good decisions and bad, rising to many a difficult occasion, and their respective interpretations of what a quality leader is. Andrew reflects on speaking in front of Congress on behalf of all small business owners, and the two discuss the evolving state of Asian America's bamboo ceiling and internally conflicted narrative. This week's guest:Andrew Chau, Co-Founder of Boba Guys (@chaumeleon)Follow Minji on:Twitter (@minjeeeezy)Instagram (@minjeezy)Music in this episode includes "Yellow Ranger" by Awkwafina and "Uzutrap" from by UzuhanFollow the show on Instagram and Twitter and support our PatreonThis podcast is part of Potluck: An Asian American Podcast CollectiveProduced by @marvinyueh

Imagine being one of the fastest growing boba tea outlets in the country with 17 stores and counting, employing 400 people and a scheduled coast-to-coast book tour about to kick off, but then in just one day, it all comes to a screeching halt. That's what happened to Andrew Chau and Bin Chen, co-founders of "Boba Guys", an artisanal boba tea business that started in 2011 as a pop-up. As COVID-19 hit the San Francisco Bay Area early on, Andrew and Bin made the difficult decision to play it safe and shut down all their stores in three cities in just one day. To say it was painful would be an understatement. In this episode, May speaks with Andrew Chau from his home in San Francisco to find out what happened, how he and his team are getting through and even shares Boba Guys' most popular recipe. 

Andrew Chau and his partner Bin Chen started Boba Guys through simple Pop Up events. It wasn't until 3 years into it and a full-fledged store did Andrew decide to quit his full-time job. We discuss his mental state and deciding point to leave his corporate job to pursue Boba Guys full time making it one of the most successful Boba companies in the world. He doesn't just sell Boba, he's selling a vision - to bridge cultures, one boba at a time. Learn how Andrew takes every bit of experience from childhood to college to shape what Boba Guys is today. They've recently launched The Boba Book available here - https://amzn.to/3bRtWs5 --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/yfactor/support

In Part 2 of Lucia’s conversation with Bin and Andrew--the founders of Boba Guys-- they share the experience of shutting down their now 17 stores across SF, NY, and LA in the midst of the COVID-19 crisis. Andrew talks about his decision to go public with the announcement and what it was like to testify in front of Congress on behalf of small business owners. ——————————————- Follow Boba Guys on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bobaguys/ Check out the Boba Book available on Amazon This is Andrew’s original post on Facebook announcing their hibernation Help support an initiative helmed by Alex and Maia Shibutani (Olympic Ice Dancing Bronze medalists), the “Protect Our Protectors - Get us PPE” fund. They are almost at their goal, you can help support here: https://charity.gofundme.com/GetUsPPE ——————————————- Follow Rock the Boat on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram @rocktheboatnyc. You can reach us at hello@gorocktheboat.com. If you’re a fan of the podcast, please subscribe, share, and leave us a 5-star rating on iTunes! We really appreciate your help in spreading the word. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/rocktheboat/message

What was your first experience with bubble tea or “boba”? Bin Chen and Andrew Chau, the founders of Boba Guys share their first experience with the drink and their journey to creating Boba Guys. In Part 1 of this two part conversation, they explain the meaning of the word “boba” and the ethos behind the brand they’ve built. In Part 2, Bin and Andrew share the experience of shutting down their now 17 stores across SF, NY, and LA in the midst of the COVID-19 crisis and why Andrew chose to testify in front of Congress on behalf of small business owners. Both parts are out now. ——————————————- Follow Boba Guys on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bobaguys/ One initiative helmed by Alex and Maia Shibutani (Olympic Ice Dancing Bronze medalists) is the “Protect Our Protectors - Get us PPE” fund. They are almost at their goal. You can help them through the final stretch here: https://charity.gofundme.com/GetUsPPE ——————————————- Follow Rock the Boat on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram @rocktheboatnyc. You can reach us at hello@gorocktheboat.com. If you’re a fan of the podcast, please subscribe, share, and leave us a 5-star rating on iTunes! We really appreciate your help in spreading the word. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/rocktheboat/message

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Dave Liang and Sun Yunfan of Shanghai Restoration Project talk about how they revitalized the band after some hiatus. Lucia dives deep into their backgrounds before pursuing music and art, and how their new sounds transcend cultural boundaries, times, gender, and race. ——————————————- Listen to SRP on Spotify: http://spoti.fi/L57LRF Follow SRP on Instagram: @shanghairestorationproject All songs from this episode are courtesy of SRP in this Spotify playlist Please help support the small business in the Rock The Boat Community: Makku (alcohol) Masalawala (gofundme) Pink Moon (skin & wellness) Come Back Daily (CBD products) Bokksu (Japanese snacks) Boba Guys (beverage) Ally Shoes (women’s shoes) ——————————————- Follow Rock the Boat on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram @rocktheboatnyc. You can reach us at hello@gorocktheboat.com. If you’re a fan of the podcast, please subscribe, share, and leave us a 5-star rating on iTunes! We really appreciate your help in spreading the word. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/rocktheboat/message

Today we've got Andrew and Ben, the Boba Guys, in the studio for an interview and a debate about plastic straws. We're also discussing the Coronavirus' effect on Mircrosoft's supply chain, the effectiveness of face masks, Facebook cancelling its biggest conference, the White House limiting their interviews on the virus, Hong Kong is using the Andrew Yang method of boosting its economy, its effect on homeschooling, Bloomberg trying to get Yang on board, lynching is finally outlawed, Hank Azaria feels guilty about his racist voice for Apu on The Simpsons, The launching of Walmart+, DoorDash filing for IPO, and more. 297 – Everyone Have a Corona this Weekend The Boba Guys in the studio to discuss their history, the great plastic straw debate & MORE. [1:24] The coronavirus fallout has begun! The companies impacted, the companies that will NOT be impacted, global impact & MORE. [20:44] Can the #YangGang keep Bloomberg in the race? [36:30] Only this week lynching was made illegal in America! [38:17] It’s easy to have a conscience when your rich and it doesn’t affect your pocketbook. [39:40] Walmart is coming after Amazon. [43:00] DoorDash files for IPO. [46:05] Weekly Winners & Losers. [50:30] Hottest Content for the Weekend. [57:17] Pete’s Random Fact. [58:51] Related Links/Products Mentioned Boba Guys (@bobaguys) • Instagram Boba Guys Pre-order Boba Guys book Microsoft/Coronavirus Face mask prices surge Facebook/Coronavirus White House/Coronavirus Hong Kong is giving away cash Coronavirus/Homeschooling Michael Bloomberg/Andrew Yang The House/Lynching Hank Azaria/The Simpsons Walmart DoorDash files confidentially for IPO Bill Simmons Podcast/Adam Carolla [Anand’s Rec] THE LAST THING HE WANTED [Dee’s Rec] Group Chat Newsletter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chamoy — it’s Mexico’s ruby-red, fruity, sour, salty, savory, spicy flavor combination. The mere thought of chamoy makes ones mouth water. But, what is it? Where did it come from? And where is it headed? We go on a “voyage de la chamoyage” all over LA to find out. Thank you to our guests. Bricia and Paulina Lopez from Guelatguetza; Javier Cabral and Gab Chabran from LA Taco; Wesley Avila and Philip Newman from Guerrilla Tacos; Andrew Chau from Boba Guys; Danny Trejo from Trejo’s Tacos; Andrea Onofre from Silverlake Wine and Yolo Mezcal; Eli Horowitz from the Homecoming podcast and TV show; Jorge “Joy” Alvarez-Tostado from Tacos 1986; Norma Cervantes from the fruit cart on 7th Street and Lucas; Lesley Tellez; the ladies from Mercado in Boyle Heights; and Charlie aka Chamba — all day, every day. Kief O. Nilsson sang “Chamoy to the World.” The Podcast Police Officer was played by “Nasty” Nate Welch, the security guard from RFFP episode 6 “Natural Wineberg.” The RFFP theme song is by Dr. Bobby Halvorson. James Braithwaite drew the mustachio’d pickle logo. Thank you Michael Kalifa for your mixing help. Additional / incidental music in this episode by Johannes Brahms, Gioachino Rossini, Richard, Blue Dot Sessions, Grupo Kual, Tia Carrere, Voids, DJ Rob Yo Heart, and Harry Nilsson. Thank you to the businesses who welcomed us in to record: Guelatguetza in Koreatown, Dulceria Candy Spot in Long Beach, Tropical Juice in Highland Park, Guerrilla Tacos in the Arts District, and Norma Cervantes’ fruit cart on 7th Street and Lucas near the 110 freeway in downtown LA. Special thanks to the following ride-or-die members of the RFFP Slow Crewe for your help with this eppy: Caitlin Esch, David Weinberg, Elizabeth Parks Kibbey, Nick White, Jessica Glazer, Ben Bush, Nick Lentz, Tien Nguyen, Cesar Hernandez, Duncan Birmingham, Lucas Ford, Zach Brooks, and Fruit Guy / Chum Plum Adam Leith Gollner. Head to LA Taco to see the exclusive premiere for this episode and read more about its creation. To my nephew, Turner Rightor Kibbey: this one was for you, buddy. Richard’s Famous Food Podcast is made by Richard Parks III. Follow us on social media @richardsfamous.

"I just want to stop explaining boba to white people." That is the tongue-and-cheek goal of Andrew Chau, co-founder of Boba Guys as they strive to make boba drinks commonplace in the U.S. Chau and his fellow co-founder Bin Chen have been more than just restaurateurs, as they are often looked to for statements on cultural moments, and always looking to bridge cultures. Chau was very open and honest about a lot of cultural subjects in his Katchup appearance and goes even deeper in Pt. 2, as Chau gives no-holds-barred commentary throughout. Make sure to go back and listen to Pt. 1 on this conversation to learn the origins of Boba Guys, and some additional gems. --- Thank you all so much for listening! All the Tweets and Instagram tags of you listening mean the world. Reviews you leave on iTunes are also incredibly helpful, if you enjoyed an episode, please do drop us some love on the Apple Podcasts App, and anywhere else your beautiful ears are listening from. ---- Your Hosts: Elie Ayrouth (@bookofelie) Geoffrey Kutnick (@geoffreykutnick) Your Guest: Andrew Chau (@bobaguys, @chaumeleon) Produced by: Isai Rocha (@isairocha) ---- Follow us! Twitch https://www.twitch.tv/foodbeast Instagram: instagram.com/foodbeast instagram.com/foodbeastkatchup Facebook: www.facebook.com/foodbeastkatchup/ www.facebook.com/foodbeast

Boba Guys is pushing to make bubble tea as common as sushi, and in a very rare podcast appearance, co-founder Andrew Chau joined us to share just how they're going to do that. In "episode one" of a two-part series we learn the origins of the Bay Area-based boba shop, how they started changing the perception of boba in the U.S., and why they pushed so hard for single-use plastic bans in California. Chau and his fellow co-founder Bin Chen have been more than just restaurateurs, as they are often looked to for statements on cultural moments, and always looking to bridge cultures. Chau was very open and honest about a lot of cultural subjects in his Katchup appearance and goes even deeper in Pt. 2, dropping Friday, September 20. Stay tuned for that one, as Chau gives no-holds-barred commentary throughout. --- Thank you all so much for listening! All the Tweets and Instagram tags of you listening mean the world. Reviews you leave on iTunes are also incredibly helpful, if you enjoyed an episode, please do drop us some love on the Apple Podcasts App, and anywhere else your beautiful ears are listening from. ---- Your Hosts: Elie Ayrouth (@bookofelie) Geoffrey Kutnick (@geoffreykutnick) Your Guest: Andrew Chau (@bobaguys, @chaumeleon) Produced by: Isai Rocha (@isairocha) ---- Follow us! Twitch https://www.twitch.tv/foodbeast Instagram: instagram.com/foodbeast instagram.com/foodbeastkatchup Facebook: www.facebook.com/foodbeastkatchup/ www.facebook.com/foodbeast

In this week's episode, Minji sits down with Boba Guys co-founder Andrew Chau for a deep dive on the elements that contribute to culture and how we continue to shape it. Even before he became half of the dynamic duo that made Taiwanese tapioca pearls and milk tea mainstream, Andrew has been fascinated by how things work, how people interact and what makes us tick. He talks about riding bikes in the Jersey suburbs , celebrating college graduation at the restaurant where his parents met as immigrant workers and actualizing his dad's refugee dream to pursue whatever he wanted. Together they discuss how our unique journeys, values & habits translate into the work we do, which is why his own business is driven by a mission statement to bridge culture. This conversation is better than (OK, just as valuable as) any MBA course of how to take an idea into reality and how to connect it to the world around you. This week's guest:Andrew Chau, Co-Founder of Boba Guys (@chaumeleon)Follow Minji on:Twitter (@minjeeeezy)Instagram (@minjeezy)Our theme song is "Yellow Ranger" by AwkwafinaFollow the show on Instagram and Twitter and support our PatreonThis podcast is part of Potluck: An Asian American Podcast CollectiveProduced by @marvinyueh

We're Joshua and Matt, gay husbands who love each other, and sweets. Subscribe now to stay up-to-date on all the latest desserts from the Big Apple! Whether or not you are in NYC, we hope you indulge with us. This week, we review Boba Guys' Orange Glow and Sea Salt Chocochata! Visit Boba Guys at 23 Clinton Street (between East Houston and Stanton Streets) Website: https://www.bobaguys.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bobaguys/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bobaguys/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/BobaGuys ** Follow Us ** Instagram: www.instagram.com/sweethusbandstv/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/sweethusbandstv/ Twitter: twitter.com/SweetHusbandsTV  ** Credits ** ♫ Intro & Outro Music ♫ "Love Wildly" by Joey Contreras itunes.apple.com/us/album/young-kind-of-love/id940267308 --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sweethusbandstv/support

What do Dropbox, Uber, AngelList, Front, Gusto and Boba Guys have in common? All have benefited from the sage advice of growth expert Andrew Chen. Now a General Partner at Andreessen Horowitz, Andrew shares his latest thinking on viral growth, user acquisition, "The Law of Shitty Clickthroughs" and more.

This week we have Jocelynne back in the studio to talk about CHANGE!  We talk about how to know when to change yourself, your "brand," your interests, and more. We also dish out our own insecurities, tips on how to grow your platform, how to be #real, likes/dislikes of social media, and MORE!  THANKS FOR LISTENING!  Intro/outro music by Ellis Delta: soundcloud.com/ellisdelta Transition music: Something Elated by Broke for Free Follow me on Instagram: @runningvegannyc Tweet at me: @wildmanna Email me: runningvegannyc@gmail.com Read my blog: runningvegannyc.com/ SHOW NOTES FOLLOW JOCELYNNE ON IG @jocelynneflor ¦ Read her blog  PEOPLE/PLACES/THINGS MENTIONED: Listen to RVR ep 25 with Jocelynne:  Boba Guys: www.yelp.com/biz/boba-guys-new-york-2 Jocelynne's fave lifestyle gurus: @gofitjo @shutthekaleup @tallulahalexandra

Originating in Taiwan in the 1980's, boba or bubble tea has been an international hit, but this new beverage is still evolving. Joining Lynda and Iris in the studio is Bin Chen, co-founder of the extremely popular Boba Guys. Boba Guys opened their first store in San Francisco in 2013. Today, they have 4 locations in SF, 1 in NYC - with another opening this month in Greenwich Village. Tune in to learn the brief but interesting history of this drink, why it's so big in the West, and what people like Boba Guys are doing to make it even better.

Grab yourself some boba, while you listened to Boba Guys' mission to bridge cultures and disrupt the boba industry! Did you know that it took 3 years before Andrew and Bin decided to quit their corporate jobs and finally went all-in? They share their early stories, including their parents reaction.

This episode, we talked tea with Boba Guys and Tea People co-founder Bin Chen! He's had one of the most unique design careers we've ever heard of and he tells a really great story - which made this episode especially fun for us. Hopefully, you'll dig it too!