Podcasts about mental health experts assess

First up, Ralph welcomes former FBI agent Mike German to discuss his new book (co-written with Beth Zasloff), Policing White Supremacy: The Enemy Within. Then, Ralph speaks to Dr. Bandy Lee about her psychological analysis of the second Trump presidency. Finally, Ralph talks about Trump's latest Congressional address.Mike German is a fellow with the Liberty and National Security program at the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU Law School. He has worked at the ACLU and served sixteen years as an FBI special agent. He left the FBI in 2004 after reporting continuing deficiencies in the bureau's counterterrorism operations to Congress. He is the author of Thinking Like a Terrorist, Disrupt, Discredit, and Divide: How the New FBI Damages Our Democracy, and his latest book (co-authored with Beth Zasloff) is Policing White Supremacy: The Enemy Within.It's important to understand that the white supremacist movement is quite fractured and I refer to it in the book as the white supremacist and far right militant movement because it does have a number of different factions that have specific goals that in many cases differ from one another. But as a movement, essentially what they're looking for is a return to a legally-supported racial caste system where white people dominate without question and impunity to act violently towards anyone who would challenge that racial hierarchy.Mike GermanIt's fascinating because I think there's an assumption that many have that these white supremacists or far-right militant groups are Trump supporters, but I don't believe many of them are. They understand that right-wing populism, that those racist (I would have said “dog whistles” of previous administrations, but racist) rhetoric helps promote them and gives them media attention that allows them to recruit and expand their ranks. But they don't support Donald Trump. They don't support the Republican Party.Mike GermanYou have a situation now where these people that led the movement into a ditch on January 6th (and they had to scramble and all go underground and then slowly restore these groups) all of a sudden these people who led them into the ditch come out ofprison and want to be the leaders again.Mike GermanThere comes a time when the flattering of the citizens by rogue criminal politicians has got to be exposed for what it is. First, they flatter the citizenry, then they flummox the citizenry, then they fool the citizenry into supporting them. And the reaction to that has got to be: you'd better start doing your homework, voters, regardless who you vote for. You've got to spend more time on the records of these politicians, not their rhetoric.Ralph NaderDr. Bandy Lee is a medical doctor, a forensic psychiatrist, and a world expert on violence who taught at Yale School of Medicine and Yale Law School for 17 years before joining the Harvard Program in Psychiatry and the Law. She is currently president of the World Mental Health Coalition, an educational organization that assembles mental health experts to collaborate with other disciplines for the betterment of public mental health and public safety. She is the editor of The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President and Profile of a Nation: Trump's Mind, America's Soul.This is a problem of mental pathology. That is why [Trump] has to place mental health labels on his opponents, why he has to call himself a stable genius, and why he has to take on the most powerful position on the planet (the US presidency). It is to hide his unfitness and his mental pathology. That's what it comes down to.Dr. Bandy Lee[Trump's] been in the public arena and influential positions for a decade now, but we have to address it in mental health terms. His goal is to alter reality and through threats, intimidation and co-optation, he has not only taken over the press and is in the process of buying it out, but he has also subdued…corrupted the Supreme Court and the Congress, and he has figured out that with the speed with which he is wreaking his havoc, by the time courts can respond, the agencies that held our society together will be gutted, closed, and changed forever.Dr. Bandy Lee Get full access to Ralph Nader Radio Hour at www.ralphnaderradiohour.com/subscribe

Bandy X Lee, M.D. is a forensic and social psychiatrist and a world expert on violence who taught at Yale School of Medicine and Yale Law School for 17 years before joining the Harvard Program in Psychiatry and the Law. She became known to the public for leading a group of mental health professional colleagues in breaking the silence about the immediate past U.S. president's dangerous psychology and publishing the New York Times bestseller, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. The volume proceeded from an ethics conference she organized at Yale School of Medicine, which led to her consulting with over 50 members of the U.S. Congress. She is currently president of the World Mental Health Coalition. She penned over 300 opinion editorials in outlets such as the Guardian, the New York Times, the Boston Globe, the Independent, and Politico. Her new book is THE MORE DANGEROUS CASE OF DONALD TRUMP: 40 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Warn Anew. Dr. Lee pulls no punches as she continues to loudly sound the alarm bells about the grave dangers of another Trump presidency. Join us for this riveting and at times chilling conversation. Got somethin' to say?! Email us at BackroomAndy@gmail.com Leave us a message: 845-307-7446 Twitter: @AndyOstroy Produced by Andy Ostroy, Matty Rosenberg, and Jennifer Hammoud @ Radio Free Rhiniecliff Design by Cricket Lengyel

First on today's show, Ralph welcomes back Dr. Bandy Lee to discuss her recent conference, "The More Dangerous State of the World and the Need for Fit Leadership—The Much More Dangerous Case of Donald Trump". Then, Ralph is joined by Professor Ted Postol to talk about the missiles and rockets (and other weapons) being used in the expanding war(s) in the Middle East. [Nadia Milleron] went down to Springfield, the state capitol, and met with every assembly member, saying—for future wrongful death, you should give people in Illinois the opportunity to file for punitive damages against these corporate defendants, or other similarly-positioned defendants. And she got it through—it was considered impossible to beat Boeing, and she got it through and the governor signed it. That's the determination of a parent who loses a child to corporate crimeRalph NaderDr. Bandy Lee is a medical doctor, a forensic psychiatrist, and a world expert on violence who taught at Yale School of Medicine and Yale Law School for 17 years before joining the Harvard Program in Psychiatry and the Law. She is currently president of the World Mental Health Coalition, an educational organization that assembles mental health experts to collaborate with other disciplines for the betterment of public mental health and public safety. She is the editor of The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President and Profile of a Nation: Trump's Mind, America's Soul.Let me clarify that there's a distinction among the evaluations that mental health experts do—one is diagnostic, the other is functional. And the diagnostic exam is the one that mental health professionals have no business doing on a public figure because that's what you do in private therapy sessions, and you diagnose someone in order to outline their course of treatment. But a functional assessment is something you do for the public—and that includes unfitness or dangerousness—and these kinds of comments are not only permitted, they are part of our societal responsibility because we are responsible not just for private individual patients, but for the public, for society.Dr. Bandy LeeDonald Trump is not an isolated phenomenon. He is a product of the system that has come before him and he is an accelerator of the dangers that succeed him. I do not believe that a Biden presidency would have been this dangerous without a Trump presidency preceding him. Dr. Bandy LeeTed Postol is Professor of Science, Technology and National Security Policy Emeritus in the Program in Science, Technology, and Society at MIT. His expertise is in nuclear weapon systems, including submarine warfare, applications of nuclear weapons, ballistic missile defense, and ballistic missiles more generally. He previously worked as an analyst at the Office of Technology Assessment and as a science and policy adviser to the chief of naval operations. In 2016, he received the Garwin Prize from the Federation of American Scientists for his work in assessing and critiquing the government's claims about missile defenses.I do not want to appear like I don't think it matters, but at the same time, it's been provoked to the point that it's amazing that the Iranians have restrained themselves to this point. But the Iranians know that they're going to suffer heavy damage from Israel. They have not wanted to go to war. They have shown great wisdom and restraint in spite of the situation.Ted PostolWhat the Israelis want—this guy Netanyahu in particular, who I think is delusional besides being psychopath—what Netanyahu wants, he wants a decisive victory. Again, let me underscore that—a decisive victory against Iran and also Hezbollah and Gaza, these poor victims of his genocide in Gaza. He can't do that. He's going to kill God knows how many more people in his effort—which is already a crime against humanity that's beginning to look like the Holocaust—but he's not going to defeat Hezbollah in a decisive way. Ted PostolIn Case You Haven't Heard with Francesco DeSantisNews 10/2/241. ProPublica reports “The U.S. government's two foremost authorities on humanitarian assistance [USAID and the State Department's Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration] concluded this spring that Israel had deliberately blocked deliveries of food and medicine into Gaza.” Yet just days later, instead of acting upon this information, Secretary of State Antony Blinken misled Congress telling lawmakers “We do not currently assess that the Israeli government is prohibiting or otherwise restricting the transport or delivery of U.S. humanitarian assistance [to Gaza].” In USAID's report, the agency laid out specific examples of Israeli interference, including “killing aid workers, razing agricultural structures, bombing ambulances and hospitals, sitting on supply depots and routinely turning away trucks full of food and medicine.” The State Department Refugee bureau separately concluded that “the Foreign Assistance Act should be triggered to freeze almost $830 million in taxpayer dollars earmarked for weapons and bombs to Israel, according to emails obtained by ProPublica.” Yet because Blinken refused to accept these facts and instead opted to lie to Congress, the weapons pipeline to Israel continues to flow unimpeded. Some, including Nihad Awad, national executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, have called on Blinken to resign, per the Middle East Monitor.2. On September 27th, Israel assassinated Hezbollah Secretary-general Hassan Nasrallah. According to NBC, the Israelis made this decision “after concluding [Nasrallah] would not accept any diplomatic solution to end the fighting on the Israel-Lebanon border that was not tied to an end to the war in Gaza.” Through this assassination, and the assassination of Hamas Political Bureau chairman Ismail Haniyeh earlier this year, Israel has made clear that they would rather resort to extrajudicial killings than negotiate an end to the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Israel now plans to invade Southern Lebanon, further escalating this conflict into a regional war, with the full backing of the United States.3. Following the pager and walkie-talkie attacks in Lebanon, the office of Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib issued a statement decrying that “The Biden-Harris administration continues to allow Netanyahu and the Israeli government to operate with impunity as they carry out war crimes. After facing no red line in Gaza…Netanyahu is now expanding his genocidal campaign to Lebanon…Deploying more U.S. troops and sending more U.S. bombs will only lead to more suffering and carnage. The...administration is capable of stopping the bloodshed. President Biden must implement an immediate arms embargo to end the slaughter and de-escalate the risk of a wider regional war.” Yet, far from de-escalating, the Biden administration has stood by while Netanyahu has escalated further, with increasing signs that the situation will tip over into a full-scale regional war between Israel and Iran. Dark days indeed could be ahead.4. This week, Hurricane Helene cleaved a “500-mile path of destruction” stretching from Florida to the Southern Appalachians, per CNN. So far, the casualties include at least 128 dead and whole communities wiped off the map. Yet, this devastation is not limited merely to peoples' homes and communities. In a darkly ironic twist, “Hurricane Helene's severe flooding [in Asheville, North Carolina] knocked offline the top tracker of U.S. and global climate data, including of extreme weather…The National Centers for Environmental Information,” or NCEI. According to the NCEI, “Even those who are physically safe are generally without power, water or connectivity,” per Axios. And just outside Atlanta, Vox reports “Amid the devastation and mass flooding…A chemical fire [at BioLab] released a massive plume of potentially toxic gasses into the air.” Officials issued a shelter-in-place order Sunday evening covering Rockdale County, home to around 90,000 people. EPA testing detected signs of chlorine gas in the air. Fulton County, which includes parts of Atlanta, has reported “a haze and strong chemical smell.”5. Last week, the International Trade Union Confederation published a report accusing “Some of the world's largest companies of undermining democracy across the world by financially backing far-right political movements, funding and exacerbating the climate crisis, and violating trade union rights and human rights.” This report specifically names Amazon, Tesla, Meta, ExxonMobil, Blackstone, Vanguard and Glencore. This report cites a litany of damning acts by these corporations – ranging from union busting and environmental degradation to funding of far-right and anti-indigenous movements around the globe – but makes the fundamental point that “This is about power, who has it, and who sets the agenda. …They're playing the long game, and it's a game about shifting power away from democracy at every level into one where they're not concerned about the effects on workers – they're concerned about maximizing their influence and their extractive power and their profit…Now is the time for international and multi-sectoral strategies, because these are, in many cases, multinational corporations that are more powerful than states, and they have no democratic accountability whatsoever, except for workers organized.” Per the Guardian, “the ITUC includes labor group affiliates from 169 nations…representing 191 million workers…the federation is pushing for an international binding treaty…to hold transnational corporations accountable under international human rights laws.”6. Yet, although these corporations are being called out for their role in undermining democracy, the Biden administration is granting many of them large sums of money via the newly announced “Partnership for Global Inclusivity on AI.” According to the State Department, this partnership will bring together the Department of State, Amazon, Anthropic, Google, IBM, Meta, Microsoft, Nvidia, and OpenAI to “promote inclusivity, respect for human rights, digital solidarity, and equitable access to the benefits of AI globally.” As the American Prospect's Luke Goldstein notes, every single one of the companies listed are currently facing lawsuits or are under investigation by either the Department of Justice or the Federal Trade Commission, and two of these corporations were clients of Secretary of State Antony Blinken's during his time as a consultant at WestExec Advisors. And in California, Variety reports Governor Gavin Newsom has vetoed SB 1047, a bill that “sought to ward off catastrophic risks of highly advanced [AI] models…[that] could be used to develop chemical or nuclear weapons.” This bill was strongly supported by SAG-AFTRA.7. A new article in the Atlantic makes the case that “Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Huge Mistake.” On a previous program we discussed how the “widespread legalization of sports gambling over the past five years has [led to a] roughly 28% increase in bankruptcies and an 8% increase in debt transferred to debt collectors,” along with substantial increases in auto loan delinquencies and use of debt consolidation loans. Beyond the financial damages however, this piece cites a new University of Oregon study that found in places where sports gambling is legalized, a loss by the home NFL team increases intimate partner violence by approximately 10%. As Deseret News put the question, “If, after six years, a law was discovered to be encouraging domestic violence while causing people, especially the poor, to lose what little money they could put toward savings, what would be the correct next step?”8. On September 24th, the Federal Trade Commission took action against Invitation Homes, the country's largest landlord of single-family homes, for “an array of unlawful actions against consumers, including deceiving renters about lease costs, charging undisclosed junk fees, failing to inspect homes before residents moved in, and unfairly withholding tenants' security deposits when they moved out.” The FTC complaint cites a 2019 email from Invitation Homes' CEO “calling on the senior vice president responsible for overseeing the company's fee program to ‘juice this hog'” by making additional fees mandatory for renters. This action comes as “Democrats Are Torn Between Donors and Their Base,” over the high-profile FTC Chair Lina Khan, Wired reports. While many billionaire Democratic donors have publicly called for Khan's ouster, polling shows around “80 percent of Democrats feel that the government should be doing more to take on corporate monopolies, compared to only 3 percent who say it should be doing less...[and] Nearly 90 percent of Democrats…feel that lobbyists and corporate executives hold too much power over the government.” To his credit, powerful House Democrat Jim Clyburn recently defended Khan when asked whether she should be fired, saying “… fired for what? For doing [her] job?…I suspect that people who represent Invitation Homes may want her to be replaced by somebody who would not do their [job],” per the Huffington Post.9. POLITICO Europe has published a shocking exposé documenting “the atrocities carried out during the summer of 2021 by a [Mozambican] commando unit led by an officer who said his mission was to protect ‘the project of Total.'” The “Total” in question being TotalEnergies, the French energy titan operating an enormous liquid natural gas plant in the Southeast African country. According to this report, “villagers had been caught in the crossfire between the Mozambican army and ISIS-affiliated militants. Having fled their homes, they had gone to seek the protection of government soldiers. Instead…[t]he soldiers accused the villagers of being members of the insurgency. They separated the men — a group of between 180 and 250 — from the women and children. Then they crammed their prisoners into… shipping containers…hitting, kicking and striking them with rifle butts. The soldiers held the men in the containers for three months. They beat, suffocated, starved, tortured and finally killed their detainees. Ultimately, only 26 prisoners survived.” Beyond this horrific massacre, this piece investigates the complex relationship between the Mozambican government, the Islamist insurgency, and French energy interests operating in Mozambique.10. Finally, on the eve of the inauguration of Claudia Sheinbaum, Mexico's incoming president and the first ever Jewish head of state in North America, tensions are mounting between the country and its northern neighbor, the United States. On his way out, popular left-wing president Andrés Manuel López Obrador, or AMLO, has declared a Yucatán port owned by Alabama-based Vulcan Materials a nature reserve in a move that the company is calling “expropriation.” According to Reuters, the company has quarried limestone in Mexico for over three decades and AMLO has long criticized their activities as environmentally damaging. AMLO also offered offered up to 7 billion pesos or $362 million for the land, but Vulcan rejected the offer. In response to AMLO's move, Republican Senators Katie Britt of Alabama and John Cornyn of Texas sent a letter “threatening Mexico with ‘crushing consequences' if the incoming Administration of Claudia Sheinbaum,” doesn't reverse this decision, per José Díaz Briseño of Reforma. This vague saber rattling raises the question, voiced by decorated journalist Ryan Grim, “Are Senate Republicans threatening some kind of coup”?This has been Francesco DeSantis, with In Case You Haven't Heard. Get full access to Ralph Nader Radio Hour at www.ralphnaderradiohour.com/subscribe

The November 2024 election will determine the future of America and the free world. Donald Trump has chosen J.D. Vance as his vice president, and the pair continue to get increasingly “weird,” and lying seems to be ramping up if that is even possible. Conservative attorney George Conway has created the Anti-Psychopath PAC and has publicly called out the media's failure to explain the dangers of having a psychopath in the White House. Conway wrote the Foreword to the rerelease of The Cult of Trump which is being rolled out asap. We did an Afterword. I wanted to reshare this 2023 interview with one of the leading experts who has been silenced is Bandy X. Lee, M.D., M.Div., a forensic psychiatrist, president of the World Mental Health Coalition, and an internationally recognized expert on violence. A brilliant and compassionate observer of the political landscape, she is the author of Profile of a Nation: Trump's Mind, America's Soul and editor of the best-selling book The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. She is assembling a team of authors to create a new, short book published by the World Mental Health Coalition and tentatively titled The More Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Warn Anew. This is an important interview which goes into problems with the family courts as well. Learn more about Steven Hassan and Freedom of Mind Resource Center. Visit freedomofmind.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mark your calendars! Tristan Snell, the prosecutor who led New York State's case against Trump and Trump University and the author of "Taking Down Trump: 12 Rules for Prosecuting Donald Trump by Someone Who Did It Successfully," will join Andrea for a live-taping of Gaslit Nation for our community of listeners on February 12 at noon ET. An event link will be sent to our Patreon community at the Truth-teller level or higher on the day of the event. To join us, sign up at Patreon.com/Gaslit! *** Republicans have once again refused to stop Trump: Nikki Haley lost the New Hampshire primary, and the Trump Klan is moving ahead towards the GOP nomination. Why might that be? According to Harvard psychologist Martha Stout, author of "The Sociopath Next Door," one in twenty-five people are sociopaths. Trump's cult has galvanized and emboldened them, unleashing a toxic sludge that threatens to drown our democracy. In this week's episode, Andrea is joined by Olga Lautman, a Russian mafia expert and co-host of the Kremlin Files podcast, to discuss why Republicans are goose-stepping in line to support a shameless wannabe dictator, why the media continues to fail us and normalize this dangerous career criminal and Russian asset, and what can be done about it. Andrea and Olga also debate over the growing attacks against Fani Willis, the Fulton County, Georgia DA who built a strong case against Trump and his goon squad for trying to overturn our election in 2020. Michael Roman, one of the 18 co-defendants in her case and a professional GOP opposition researcher, is trying to get Willis removed, which would put the entire case in jeopardy. Without any evidence, Roman claims that Willis is in a romantic relationship with Nathan Wade, a lawyer she hired to her team of prosecutors. (Who cares!) This is a clear case of disinformation warfare to help Trump once again escape accountability. While there's nothing illegal done by Willis or Wade, this is the new “Hunter Biden's laptop” – red meat for the Fox News echo chamber. Check the show notes for trusted sources that cut through the gaslighting against Willis, who must remain in her post.  As for who will actually stop Trump, that's us and our Gaslit Nation phone banks this fall.  Show Notes: OPENING CLIP: Natasha Alford, author of American Negra, and anchor of The Grio https://twitter.com/SymoneDSanders/status/1747731236196614497?t=VhKn8V81n1j_qz6Hi-er6Q&s=19 NEW YORK TIMES: Trump Prosecutor in Georgia Seeks to Avoid Testifying in Colleague's Divorce Case. Fani T. Willis was subpoenaed in the divorce case of a colleague she hired to manage the Trump prosecution in Georgia, with whom she is accused of having a romantic relationship. FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE: “The filing also stated that [Nathan Wade's soon to be ex wife] Ms. Wade had ‘conspired' with ‘interested parties' in the Trump case ‘to annoy, embarrass and oppress' Ms. Willis. It noted that Ms. Willis had been subpoenaed around the same time that Mr. Roman's lawyer, Ashleigh Merchant, filed motions seeking to unseal the divorce records and, in the Trump case, to remove the two prosecutors. The filing also said that Ms. Wade had acknowledged having an affair with a longtime friend of Mr. Wade's, and that the couple had agreed their marriage was ‘irretrievably broken' as early as 2017, before Mr. Wade and Ms. Willis had met.” https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/18/us/fani-willis-trump-georgia-prosecutors.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20240118&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=cta®i_id=48614702&segment_id=155695&user_id=097a378032011d6e8be1570cdce0a176 Ruth Marcus in The Washington Post: Fani Willis's Gift to Trump: “As a legal matter, the allegations about a romantic relationship between Fulton County District Attorney Fani T. Willis and the chief prosecutor in the election interference case against former president Donald Trump are irrelevant. Even if all the claims are true, they wouldn't imperil the prosecution or justify dismissing the indictment, as one of Trump's co-defendants is seeking.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/01/22/fani-willis-gift-trump/ 7 questions about the future of Fani Willis in the Georgia election interference case https://www.wabe.org/7-questions-about-the-future-of-fani-willis-in-the-georgia-election-interference-case/ Steve Bannon Thought Trump Had Early Dementia and Pushed to Remove Him, '60 Minutes' Producer Claims https://people.com/politics/steve-bannon-thought-donald-trump-had-early-stage-dementia-book-claims/ The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President - Updated and Expanded with New Essays https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-dangerous-case-of-donald-trump-37-psychiatrists-and-mental-health-experts-assess-a-president-updated-and-expanded-with-new-essays-updated-expande-/20868798?ean=9781250212863 AI Reveals Dementia in Trump Speeches https://thedemlabs.org/2024/01/20/ai-reveals-dementia-in-trump-speeches/ Trump co-defendant alleges Georgia DA and prosecutor in relationship but offers no proof https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/09/georgia-trump-case-fani-willis-relationship-prosecutor South Carolina natives Nikki Haley and Tim Scott's complicated history on display as they battle for GOP nomination https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/south-carolina-natives-nikki-haley-tim-scotts-complicated/story?id=104253045 The Sociopath Next Door by Harvard Psychologist Martha Stout https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-sociopath-next-door-martha-stout/15279323?ean=9780767915823

This is a sneak preview of this week's installment of The Truth Report: https://thetruthreportwithchaunceydevega.libsyn.com/ep-133-dr-bandy-lee-warns-that-trumpism-is-a-public-health-emergency-that-is-reaching-fatal-levels-for-american-democracy-and-society Dr. Bandy Lee is a forensic psychiatrist and a leading expert on violence who taught at Yale School of Medicine and Yale Law School for 17 years before transferring her activities to Columbia and Harvard. Dr. Lee is also the editor of the New York Times bestseller, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. She is currently president of the World Mental Health Coalition, the largest professional organization to address the problem of dangerous leadership and its contribution to a “mental health pandemic.” Dr. Lee continues to warn that Trump and his MAGA movement and American neofascism constitute a public health emergency, which as seen on Jan. 6 and with Trump's escalating threats of massive violence and destruction is only continuing to get worse. She also warns that Trump's megalomania and the enduring power of the MAGA cult reflects how American society is sick with malignant normality and how that collective state of evil and pathological behavior can only lead to doom and destruction. Dr. Lee reflects on where the country would now be if the news media, political class, and other elites had responded properly to the warnings issued by mental health professionals more than seven years ago that Donald Trump represented an extreme threat to American society and that his obvious unwellness would spread and infect the nation if he were to become president – and if he wins the 2024 Election Dictator for Life will become a terminal disease for American democracy and society.  WHERE CAN YOU FIND ME? On Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaunceydevega On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chauncey.devega My email: chaunceydevega@gmail.com HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE CHAUNCEY DEVEGA SHOW? Via Paypal at ChaunceyDeVega.com Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thechaunceydevegashow

Dr. Bandy Lee is a forensic psychiatrist and a leading expert on violence who taught at Yale School of Medicine and Yale Law School for 17 years before transferring her activities to Columbia and Harvard. Dr. Lee is also the editor of the New York Times bestseller, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. She is currently president of the World Mental Health Coalition, the largest professional organization to address the problem of dangerous leadership and its contribution to a “mental health pandemic.” Dr. Lee continues to warn that Trump and his MAGA movement and American neofascism constitute a public health emergency, which as seen on Jan. 6 and with Trump's escalating threats of massive violence and destruction is only continuing to get worse. She also warns that Trump's megalomania and the enduring power of the MAGA cult reflects how American society is sick with malignant normality and how that collective state of evil and pathological behavior can only lead to doom and destruction.  Dr. Lee reflects on where the country would now be if the news media, political class, and other elites had responded properly to the warnings issued by mental health professionals more than seven years ago that Donald Trump represented an extreme threat to American society and that his obvious unwellness would spread and infect the nation if he were to become president – and if he wins the 2024 Election Dictator for Life will become a terminal disease for American democracy and society.  WHERE CAN YOU FIND ME? On Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaunceydevega On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chauncey.devega My email: chaunceydevega@gmail.com HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE TRUTH REPORT? Patreon at https://www.patreon.com/TheTruthReportPodcast Via Paypal at ChaunceyDeVega.com

Produced by KSQD 90.7. 89.5 & 89.7FM “Trump's Mind, America's Soul” “Be Bold America!” Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 5:00pm (PDT) (Some important points made in this interview: Dr. Lee shared that she isn't political but that politics found her. She talks about how her life changed course after her decision ... her "Duty to Warn.  Dr. Lee states that fascism is not an ideology but is a pathology; a disease. She explains the American Psychiatric Association disinformation efforts. Also, Dr. Lee explains that media and social media (KSQD is not corporate media) follows pathology and that pathology drives to destruction and death. In addition, Dr. Lee states that the mental health pandemic is more contagious than a virus.) We will meet the brave forensic psychiatrist who diagnosed Donald Trump. In this interview, Dr. Bandy X. Lee, will go beyond explaining Donald Trump, but the followers who elevated him and the nation that tolerated him as president. Why does Donald Trump speak and act as he does? Why must he provoke violence? Why do many in the country still support and follow him? How can he possibly be the Republican Party's choice for president again? Dr. Lee will tell us the missing piece that answers these questions. With 20-years of experience treating violent offenders and on violence prevention, Dr. Lee was the first to call out Donald Trump's psychological dangers in a major way and lost her faculty position at Yale University over exercising her responsibility, her “Duty to Warn.” Interview Guest:  Dr. Bandy Lee is a medical doctor, a forensic psychiatrist, and a world expert on violence who taught at Yale School of Medicine and Yale Law School for 17 years before transferring her activities to Columbia and Harvard.  She became known to the public by leading a group of mental health professional colleagues in breaking the silence about the immediate past U.S. president's dangerous psychology and publishing the New York Times bestseller, “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President.”  The volume proceeded from an ethics conference she organized at Yale School of Medicine, which led to her consulting with over 50 members of the U.S. Congress. She is currently president of the World Mental Health Coalition, the largest professional organization to address the problem of dangerous leadership and its contribution to a “mental health pandemic.” For more information, visit: bandylee.com.

Ralph welcomes Toby Heaps, co-founder and editor-in-chief of the Canadian magazine “Corporate Knights,” which ranks the world's 100 most sustainable corporations. And we welcome back Dr. Bandy Lee, psychiatrist and editor of “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump” to discuss Donald Trump's continuing hold on 30% of the American population.Toby Heaps is the CEO and co-founder of Corporate Knights, and Editor-in-Chief of Corporate Knights magazine. He spearheaded the first global ranking of the world's 100 most sustainable corporations in 2005, and in 2007 coined the term “clean capitalism.” Toby has been published in the Financial Times, Wall Street Journal, and the Globe and Mail, and is a regular guest speaker on CBC.You see these stories happening all over the world, whether it's from the oil companies or the electric power companies, fossil power companies, or food companies, or real estate companies. And the ones who are going all in, investing big in the green economy and the more sustainable economy are, more often than not, the ones who are hitting the biggest numbers financially.Toby Heaps, Corporate KnightsWe don't want to just be doing a beauty contest or be subject to the latest headline. We're trying to do something that's reasonably rooted in evidence, and it can be defensible, and it can be considered fair. And we recognize that none of the big companies that we rank are perfect— they all have major issues, which is kind of the nature of the human condition.Toby Heaps, Corporate KnightsDr. Bandy Lee is a medical doctor, a forensic psychiatrist, and a world expert on violence who taught at Yale School of Medicine and Yale Law School for 17 years before transferring recently to Columbia and Harvard. She is currently president of the World Mental Health Coalition, an educational organization that assembles mental health experts to collaborate with other disciplines for the betterment of public mental health and public safety. She is the editor of The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President and Profile of a Nation: Trump's Mind, America's Soul.Essentially, [Trump] did not have the capacity to have ideologies or policies. He can't think at that level. What he can do is to manipulate psychologically those who are vulnerably predisposed and those who have formed emotional bonds with him.Dr. Bandy LeeThese are the kinds of effects that we expect from having a person with severe mental symptoms holding an influential position and having lots of public exposure. We do have a propagation of symptoms. I've been calling this the “Trump Contagion” but what it really is is shared psychosis, which is a psychosocial phenomenon that's been researched and described since around the mid-19th century.Dr. Bandy Lee[Trump voters] are still with him. But they would never support a friend or a neighbor who lied all the time, who had power over them, who described things that weren't real about what was going on around them or what he did in the past, or who cheated his workers.Ralph NaderIn Case You Haven't Heard with Francesco DeSantis1. The United Autoworkers Union is on strike against the big three automakers. Just before the strike began, the Lever reported that General Motors claimed the union's demands “would threaten our ability to do what's right for the long-term benefit of the team.” Yet, for all their crying poverty, the Big Three “have reported $21 billion in profits in just the first six months of 2023,” and “have authorized $5 billion in stock buybacks.” The union's strategy is also worth touching on, as it is novel for this industry. Instead of all workers going on strike at once, the union plans on “targeting a trio of strategic factories while keeping 90 percent of its members working under expired contracts,” per Axios. However, this story notes the ways industry plans to strike back, notably by utilizing quasi-lockouts at active plants.2. In a nigh-unprecedented shot across the bow, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit has issued a “‘writ of body attachment', directing the United States Marshals Service to take two corporate officials of Haven Salon + Spa in Muskego, Wisconsin into custody [after they] repeatedly failed and refused to comply with an enforced [National Labor Relations] Board order.” This followed years of opportunities for the corporate officials to settle this dispute and represents the strongest signal so far that the re-energized NLRB will use every weapon in its legal arsenal to protect workers. The Board's full statement is available at NLRB.gov.3. The Washington Post reports that since retaking power in Afghanistan, the Taliban has “all but extinguished al-Qaeda.” Yet buried within this story is a much more intriguing tidbit. According to this piece, “The CIA shares counterterrorism information with the Taliban,” per a senior Biden administration official. This official emphasized that this does not include “targeting data or ‘actionable intelligence,'” raising the question of what information exactly the CIA is passing along to the Taliban. 4. In Maine, voters are set to decide on a proposal to “turn the state's two big private electric companies—Central Maine Power and Versant—into Pine Tree Power, a nonprofit, publicly run utility,” per Bill McKibben in the Nation. McKibben points out that the private utility companies “sent $187 million in profits out of Maine last year—much of it to shareholders in such far-flung places as Qatar, Norway, and Canada.” Moreover, this move could lower rates by “an average of $367 per household per year.” Bernie Sanders has endorsed this effort, declaring “Power belongs in the hands of the people, not greedy corporations.”5. In an effort to combat food deserts, Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson has announced the city will explore the possibility of opening a municipally-owned grocery store. The announcement highlighted that “Historic disinvestment has led to inequitable access to food retail across Chicago, [which] have been exacerbated as at least six grocery stores closed on the South and West sides over the past two years.” This project would seek to provide healthy food for South and West side residents, as well as an economic anchor in these communities.6. From Variety: The California Senate has passed a bill to “grant unemployment benefits to workers who are on strike,” in a major win for the Writers Guild, SAG-AFTRA, and organized labor more generally. If signed, this will go into effect January 1st, 2024. Currently, only New York and New Jersey offer this safety net to striking workers.7. A story in LA Public Press traces the disturbing rise of so-called “Tenant relocators.” According to the story, “Lawmakers, tenants and tenant groups say that, across Los Angeles, landlords are buying rent-controlled buildings predominantly occupied by immigrants and using illegal tenant harassment to force people out so they can re-rent their units at market rate.” Further, “Organizers...say tenant harassment is so profitable that it has become an industry in its own right, and that the industry has spawned a profession: the tenant relocator, who cajoles or threatens tenants into leaving while their building falls to pieces around them.” This is yet another case showing the stunning lengths the rich will go to in order to acquire yet more wealth.8. In Atlanta, over 115,000 signatures have been collected and submitted calling for a referendum on the “Cop City,” project. Yet, when these signatures were submitted, the Clerk's Office refused to accept them, citing obscure deadline rules. Now, Georgia Senator Raphael Warnock is weighing in with a letter to Atlanta Mayor Andre Dickens urging the City to “err on the side of giving people the ability to express their views,” the Atlanta Voice reports. This contentious project will likely continue to be a political flash-point going forward.9. Arundhati Roy, the world-famous Indian dissident writer, received a major European essay prize on September 12th. She used this opportunity to deliver an explosive speech warning of the danger posed to the world by “the dismantling of democracy in India.” Roy is explicit in naming “India's descent…into first majoritarianism and then full-blown fascism,” and goes into gut-churning detail concerning the plight of religious minorities in what used to be called the world's largest democracy. The full speech is available on YouTube.10. Finally, Yahoo News reports that back in 2015, “Elon Musk Stormed Into the Tesla Office Furious That Autopilot Tried to Kill Him.” Taken from the new blockbuster biography of the tech magnate, the story goes on to say that the Tesla autopilot, “thrown off by the road's faded lane lines,” steered into and almost hit oncoming traffic. This, the book argues, was due to Musk's insistence on removing light detection and ranging technology – better known as LiDAR – from his vehicles in an attempt to cut costs. Ultimately, the autopilot was not actually fixed; instead, Musk's chief of staff Sam Teller got the faded lane lines repainted. That may be a functional solution for the world's richest man, but personally, I wouldn't take my chances. Get full access to Ralph Nader Radio Hour at www.ralphnaderradiohour.com/subscribe

I talk with the forensic psychiatrist and an internationally recognized expert on violence who edited the best-selling book, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. Years after she and other mental health experts warned Trump was unfit and a danger to the public, we continue to see vivid proof that the public has suffered by censoring experts! Her recent book is Profile of a Nation: Trump's Mind, America's Soul. What was behind the mainstream media silencing of credible experts like Dr. Lee and myself? We discuss this and many important topics like the “duty to warn” and the importance of mental health, especially in people who are supposed to be public servants. We discuss the 25th Amendment of the Constitution and how it could be bolstered to prevent anyone who is so grossly incompetent from coming to the Presidency again. We also discuss the corrupt and authoritarian family court system in the United States- the subject of a forthcoming book. Learn more about Steven Hassan and Freedom of Mind Resource Center. Visit freedomofmind.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

      Slam the Gavel welcomes Dr. Bandy Lee to the podcast. She is a medical doctor, a forensic psychiatrist, and a world expert on violence who taught at Yale School of Medicine and Yale Law School for 17 years prior to transferring recently to Columbia and Harvard.      Dr. Lee became well-known to the public by leading a group of mental health professional colleagues in breaking the silence about the immediate past U.S. president's dangerous psychology and publishing the New York Times bestseller, “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President” (Macmillan, 2017 and 2019).   The volume proceeded from an ethics conference she organized at Yale School of Medicine, which led to her consulting with over 50 members of the U.S. Congress.      Currently, Dr. Bandy Lee is president of the World Mental Health Coalition, the largest professional organization to address the problem of dangerous leadership and its contribution to a ‘psychological pandemic.'     During medical school, she obtained an additional divinity degree to expand her understanding of the human condition. Trained at Yale and Harvard Universities, she was chief resident at Massachusetts General Hospital and a research fellow at the National Institute of Mental Health.  At Yale Law School, she taught clinical courses covering the mental health aspects of asylum law, criminal justice, and veteran legal services.  Her clinical practice consists of psychiatric services at maximum-security prisons and in state hospitals, in addition to working as an expert witness for civil and criminal courts.  At Yale College, she was a popular professor who taught the Global Health Studies course, “Violence: Causes and Cures.” Most recently, she accepted the invitation to co-found an institute on violence prevention at Union Theological Seminary with multiple world experts in the field.    Authoring what is considered the most comprehensive textbook on the subject to date, “Violence: An Interdisciplinary Approach to Causes, Consequences, and Cures” (Wiley-Blackwell, 2019) and she has published over 100 peer-reviewed articles and chapters, 17 edited scholarly books and journal special issues, and over 300 op-eds in outlets such as the Guardian, the New York Times, the Boston Globe, the Independent, and Politico.       The World Mental Health Coalition is an educational organization that assembles mental health experts to collaborate with other disciplines for the betterment of public mental health and public safety.  It attempts to step in where the psychiatric establishment failed in societal leadership, or profited (as did the American Psychiatric Association) by protecting powerful political figures over the public.     Dr. Bandy Lee is searching for Family Court stories and is currently editing, "The Dangerous Case Of The Family Court." She is taking submissions for the book as well.To Reach Dr. Lee: bandylee.comSupportshow(https://www.buymeacoffee.com/maryannpetri)dismantlingfamilycourtcorruption.comSupport the showSupportshow(https://www.buymeacoffee.com/maryannpetri)http://www.dismantlingfamilycourtcorruption.com/

Slam the Gavel welcomes Dr. Bandy Lee to the podcast. She is a medical doctor, a forensic psychiatrist, and a world expert on violence who taught at Yale School of Medicine and Yale Law School for 17 years prior to transferring recently to Columbia and Harvard. Dr. Lee became well-known to the public by leading a group of mental health professional colleagues in breaking the silence about the immediate past U.S. president's dangerous psychology and publishing the New York Times bestseller, “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President” (Macmillan, 2017 and 2019). The volume proceeded from an ethics conference she organized at Yale School of Medicine, which led to her consulting with over 50 members of the U.S. Congress. Currently, Dr. Bandy Lee is president of the World Mental Health Coalition, the largest professional organization to address the problem of dangerous leadership and its contribution to a ‘psychological pandemic.' During medical school, she obtained an additional divinity degree to expand her understanding of the human condition. Trained at Yale and Harvard Universities, she was chief resident at Massachusetts General Hospital and a research fellow at the National Institute of Mental Health. At Yale Law School, she taught clinical courses covering the mental health aspects of asylum law, criminal justice, and veteran legal services. Her clinical practice consists of psychiatric services at maximum-security prisons and in state hospitals, in addition to working as an expert witness for civil and criminal courts. At Yale College, she was a popular professor who taught the Global Health Studies course, “Violence: Causes and Cures.” Most recently, she accepted the invitation to co-found an institute on violence prevention at Union Theological Seminary with multiple world experts in the field. Authoring what is considered the most comprehensive textbook on the subject to date, “Violence: An Interdisciplinary Approach to Causes, Consequences, and Cures” (Wiley-Blackwell, 2019) and she has published over 100 peer-reviewed articles and chapters, 17 edited scholarly books and journal special issues, and over 300 op-eds in outlets such as the Guardian, the New York Times, the Boston Globe, the Independent, and Politico. The World Mental Health Coalition is an educational organization that assembles mental health experts to collaborate with other disciplines for the betterment of public mental health and public safety. It attempts to step in where the psychiatric establishment failed in societal leadership, or profited (as did the American Psychiatric Association) by protecting powerful political figures over the public. Dr. Bandy Lee is searching for Family Court stories and is currently editing, "The Dangerous Case Of The Family Court." She is taking submissions for the book as well. To Reach Dr. Lee: bandylee.com Supportshow(https://www.buymeacoffee.com/maryannpetri) dismantlingfamilycourtcorruption.com --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/maryann-petri/support

Many pundits across the world have published views on Donald Trump's mental health, but none have been experts. An actual expert, forensic psychiatrist Dr Bandy Lee, found herself fired by Yale and under attack by the American Psychiatric Association and Alan Dershowitz, lawyer to the powerful, for her organizing the book, “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President.” Currently president of the World Mental Health Coalition, the largest professional organization to address the problem of dangerous leadership and its contribution to a ‘psychological pandemic,' she has also researched outbreaks of violence like January 6. She will answer questions from the FPA on the mental health of national leadership and the predicted cycle of political violence in the USA. - This briefing is made possible by the Foreign Press Foundation. Donate at foreignpressassociation.org/ways-to-support.html Become a member of the Foreign Press Association at foreignpressassociation.org/join-the-association1.html Follow us on social media: twitter.com/fpanewsusa facebook.com/fpanewyork instagram.com/fpanewyork youtube.com/c/foreignpressassociationusa linkedin.com/in/fpausa/

Dr. Bandy Lee - Medical doctor, forensic psychiatrist, and a world expert on violence who taught at Yale School of Medicine and Yale Law School for 17 years before transferring recently to Columbia and Harvard. She became known to the public by leading a group of mental health professional colleagues in breaking the silence about the immediate past U.S. president's dangerous psychology and publishing the New York Times bestseller, “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President.” She warned us five years ago that Trump was dangerous. She joins Tavis to share why she's more worried now,

Forensic psychiatrist, violence expert, Editor of "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump” and World Mental Health Coalition President Dr. Bandy Lee joins Zerlina on the show to discuss her early warnings about Trump and the resulting backlash.Dr. Bandy Lee is a medical doctor, a forensic psychiatrist, and a world expert on violence who taught at Yale School of Medicine and Yale Law School for 17 years before transferring recently to Columbia and Harvard. She became known to the public by leading a group of mental health professional colleagues in breaking the silence about the immediate past U.S. president's dangerous psychology and publishing the New York Times bestseller, “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President” (Macmillan, 2017 and 2019). The volume proceeded from an ethics conference she organized at Yale School of Medicine, which led to her consulting with over 50 members of the U.S. Congress. She is currently president of the World Mental Health Coalition, the largest professional organization to address the problem of dangerous leadership and its contribution to a ‘psychological pandemic.' During medical school, she obtained an additional divinity degree to expand her understanding of the human condition. Trained at Yale and Harvard Universities, she was chief resident at Massachusetts General Hospital and a research fellow at the National Institute of Mental Health.  At Yale Law School, she taught clinical courses covering the mental health aspects of asylum law, criminal justice, and veteran legal services.  Her clinical practice consists of psychiatric services at maximum-security prisons and in state hospitals, in addition to working as an expert witness for civil and criminal courts.  At Yale College, she was a popular professor who taught the Global Health Studies course, “Violence: Causes and Cures.” Most recently, she accepted the invitation to co-found an institute on violence prevention at Union Theological Seminary with multiple world experts in the field. She served as Director of Research for the Center for the Study of Violence (Harvard, U. Penn., N.Y.U., and Yale), co-founded Yale's Violence and Health Study Group at the MacMillan Center for International Studies, and has led an academic collaborators project for the World Health Organization's Violence Prevention Alliance, helping to translate scholarship into implementation and to support research in low- and middle-income countries.  She has consulted with governments on prison reform and community violence prevention, such as for France, Ireland, Alabama, California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York.  She has also played a key role in initiating reforms at Rikers Island, a correctional facility in New York City known for extreme levels of violence. She authored what is considered the most comprehensive textbook on the subject to date, “Violence: An Interdisciplinary Approach to Causes, Consequences, and Cures” (Wiley-Blackwell, 2019) and published over 100 peer-reviewed articles and chapters, 17 edited scholarly books and journal special issues, and over 300 op-eds in outlets such as the Guardian, the New York Times, the Boston Globe, the Independent, and Politico.  The World Mental Health Coalition is an educational organization that assembles mental health experts to collaborate with other disciplines for the betterment of public mental health and public safety.  It attempts to step in where the psychiatric establishment failed in societal leadership, or profited (as did the American Psychiatric Association) by protecting powerful political figures over the public. Her current goals center around educating the public on mental health matters so as to empower it through knowledge and enlightenment. She owes great debt to her maternal grandfather, Dr. Geun-Young Lee, a renowned physician who helped reconstruct South Korea after the war, and to her mother, Dr. Inmyung Lee, who continued to practice his philosophy in the United States, a country she adopted and loved for its historic ability to place principles above tribal factions and narrow self-interest.

Forensic psychiatrist Dr Bandy Lee, assesses Donald Trump's mental health and inability to be President (again). The Weekend Show with Anthony Davis - Episode 25 Bandy Lee, MD, MDiv, is a physician, a forensic psychiatrist, and a world expert on violence. She leads a Project Group for the World Health Organization (WHO) and is currently president of the World Mental Health Coalition. She published over 100 peer-reviewed articles and chapters, 15 edited scholarly books and journal special issues, over 300 op-eds in outlets such as the Guardian, the New York Times, the Boston Globe, the Independent, and Politico. In 2017, she became known to the public as the editor of the New York Times bestseller, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President (Macmillan, 2017), which was later updated to 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts (2019). In her Profile of a Nation: Trump's Mind, America's Soul (WMHC, 2020), she predicted that the Trump presidency would not end with the 2020 election and warned of the violence that was to come. She has consulted with over 50 members of the U.S. Congress. Five Minute News with Anthony Davis is an Evergreen Podcast, covering politics, inequality, health and climate - delivering independent, unbiased and essential world news, daily. Visit Five Minute News online and subscribe at http://www.fiveminute.news Follow Five Minute News on Twitter http://twitter.com/fiveminnews Follow Five Minute News on Instagram http://instagram.com/fiveminnews You can subscribe to Five Minute News with your preferred podcast app, ask your smart speaker, or enable Five Minute News as your Amazon Alexa Flash Briefing skill. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We welcome back Dr. Bandy X. Lee, editor of “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President,” to update us on her latest thinking about Trump's hold on his followers and the conflicts within her own profession over their duty to warn. Plus, Ralph and Steve discuss the January 6th hearings.

What Can Therapists Say About Celebrities? The ethics of public statements Curt and Katie chat about whether therapists should make public statements and diagnose public figures. This is our first continuing education eligible podcast, discussing the ethics of speaking out about the mental health of people in the public eye. We explore the origins of the Goldwater rule, a group of psychiatrists who purposefully broke it, and how masters level organizations address this concern. We also provide you with some ideas about how you can make this decision for yourself. In this podcast episode we look at the ethics of modern therapists diagnosing public figures For our first continuing education worthy podcast, we wanted to address something that is becoming more and more prevalent in our field: therapists speaking out about the mental health of public figures. What is the Goldwater Rule? The history of the Goldwater Rule The impact of DSM II (and the update to DSM III) The original intention of the rule versus the current interpretation of the Goldwater Rule Fears from the American Psychiatric Association that seems to have driven the development of (and on-going commitment to) this rule How the Goldwater Rule (and Similar Ethical Principles) Have Shifted Over Time Perspective from one of the original framers of the Goldwater Rule Moving from teleological to deontological interpretations How the internet and social media has changed the landscape The American Psychiatric Association expanding their commitment to the Goldwater Rule, stating reasons psychiatrists should not assess The Goldwater “Caveat” or “Principle” versus Goldwater “Rule” or even Goldwater “Doctrine” Beyond diagnosis to restricting any comment on the behavior or mental health of a public figure The stance on this ethic from American Psychological Association and the large Masters Level Organizations (AAMFT, ACA, NASW, and CAMFT, for example) The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump – the Public Diagnosis of an American President The group of psychiatrists who pushed back on the Goldwater Rule The Duty to Warn – does it apply here? What are the challenges of accurately diagnosing Trump? Where expertise is helpful (and how the public can water down diagnosis) Current Guidelines for Modern Therapists Whether diagnosis is required for a duty to warn The tactic of putting forward information without drawing conclusions (and why we don't like this strategy) Specific guidance from the professional organizations on what therapists can and cannot do Taking special care in how one decides what they say about an individual in public settings Using one's professional judgement and special care Cautions When Using Your Professional Judgment The potential harm of discussing diagnosis on social media Bias, cultural factors, and other information that could make an inaccurate or harmful diagnosis Mental health stigma and other concerns related to diagnostic language (ICD-10, DSM-V) Speaking outside of your professional expertise Questions to ask yourself before making a public statement Our Generous Sponsor for this episode of the Modern Therapist's Survival Guide: Buying Time LLC Buying Time is a full team of Virtual Assistants, with a wide variety of skill sets to support your business. From basic admin support, customer service, and email management to marketing and bookkeeping. They've got you covered. Don't know where to start? Check out the systems inventory checklist which helps business owners figure out what they don't want to do anymore and get those delegated asap. You can find that checklist at http://buyingtimellc.com/systems-checklist/ Buying Time's VA's support businesses by managing email communications, CRM or automation systems, website admin and hosting, email marketing, social media, bookkeeping and much more. Their sole purpose is to create the opportunity for you to focus on supporting those you serve while ensuring that your back office runs smoothly. With a full team of VA's it gives the opportunity to hire for one role and get multiple areas of support. There's no reason to be overwhelmed with running your business with this solution available. Book a consultation to see where and how you can get started getting the support you need - https://buyingtimellc.com/book-consultation/ Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist's Survival Guide Hey modern therapists, we're so excited to offer the opportunity for 1 unit of continuing education for this podcast episode – Therapy Reimagined is bringing you the Modern Therapist Learning Community!  Once you've listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to moderntherapistcommunity.com/podcourse, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that's all completed - you'll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records. For our current list of CE approvals, check out moderntherapistcommunity.com. You can find this course here: What Can Therapists Say About Celebrities? 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Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast: Therapy with an Audience Therapists Hater and Trolls Therapists Shaming Therapists Off Duty Therapist Who we are: Curt Widhalm, LMFT Curt Widhalm is in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a member of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists ethics committee, an Adjunct Professor at Pepperdine University, lecturer in Counseling Laws and Ethics at California State University Northridge, a former Law & Ethics Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, and former CFO of CAMFT. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com Katie Vernoy, LMFT Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, with a Master's degree in Clinical Psychology from California State University, Fullerton and a Bachelor's Degree in Psychology and Theater from Occidental College in Los Angeles, California. Katie has always loved leadership and began stepping into management positions soon after gaining her license in 2005. Katie's experience spans many leadership and management roles in the mental health field: program coordinator, director, clinical supervisor, hiring manager, recruiter, and former President of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. Now in business for herself, Katie provides therapy, consultation, or business strategy to support leaders, visionaries, and helping professionals in pursuing their mission to help others. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We're working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren't trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don't want to, but hey. 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Katie Vernoy  00:04 Buying Time has a full team of virtual assistants with a wide variety of skill sets to support your business. From basic admin support customer service and email management to marketing and bookkeeping, they've got you covered. Don't know where to start, check out the system's inventory checklist, which helps business owners figure out what they don't want to do anymore and get those delegated ASAP. You can find that checklist at buying time. llc.com forward slash systems stash checklist. Curt Widhalm  00:31 Listen at the end of the episode for more information. Announcer  00:34 You're listening to the modern therapist survival guide where therapists live, breathe, and practice as human beings. To support you as a whole person and a therapist. Here are your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy. Curt Widhalm  00:49 Hey modern therapists, we're so excited to offer the opportunity for one unit of continuing education for this podcast episode. Once you've listened to this episode, to get CE credit, you just need to go to moderntherapistcommunity.com register for your free profile, purchase this course pass the post test and complete the evaluation. Once that's all completed, you'll get a CE certificate in your profile, or you can download it for your records. For a current list of our CE approvals. Check out moderntherapistcommunity.com   Katie Vernoy  01:22 Once again hop over to moderntherapistcommunity.com for one CE once you've listened. Woo hoo!   Curt Widhalm  01:28 Welcome back modern therapists. This is the Modern Therapist Survival Guide. I'm Curt Widhalm with Katie Vernoy. And this is our first continuing education eligible podcast and we're gonna go a little bit long format today. Today we're going to be exploring an ethical issue around therapists making public statements. And this is becoming what would seemingly be more and more prevalent as more and more of us have access to things like social media outlets. But the underpinnings of a lot of this debate starts back in the 1960s with little story about Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater. Now Barry Goldwater was running for president in the 1964 election. And for those of you American history buffs, you probably know, he did not win. And this, this is partially blamed on the way that the Lyndon Johnson campaign framed Barry Goldwater, in response to Fact Magazine presented a special issue that was titled The unconscious of a conservative  a special issue on the mind of Barry Goldwater. This was in response to a play on the words of Barry Goldwater's book the conscience of a conservative so what fact magazine had done is they had sent out a survey to over 12,000, psychiatrists, of whom about 2400 responded, and this was asking these psychiatrist opinions of the mental health status of Senator Barry Goldwater. The results of the survey range a little bit all over the place. About 27% of the overall people responded, said that Mr. Goldwater was mentally fit, 23% said that they didn't know enough to make a judgement, and a whole lot said things like Mr. Goldwater is a megalomaniac, paranoid, grossly psychotic, and some even offered specific diagnoses, including schizophrenia and narcissistic personality disorder.   Katie Vernoy  03:49 Oh, my goodness, that sounds pretty familiar.   Curt Widhalm  03:54 Yeah, this has come up recently, in...   Katie Vernoy  03:58 Just a little. Just a little bit.   Curt Widhalm  04:01 And part of the point of today's episode is where some of this debate has been in the last several years as far as America, how the rules have gotten to where we are, and what this means for us at this point in time. Now, a lot has been said, and we will get into this a little bit later in the episode about some of the more recent publications and recent debates in the field, including books like The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump by Therapy Reimagined speaker Bandy X. Lee and some of her colleagues. We will be discussing her later, and kind of where our responses are as a profession and some recommendations at the end of the episode. So, getting back to Barry Goldwater,   Katie Vernoy  04:50 Must we? I'm joking, I'm joking.   Curt Widhalm  04:54 So Goldwater ended up suing fact magazine and the publishers for libel based on this and Goldwater ended up winning this. Now, in the cases, Goldwater was issued $1 as compensatory damages and $75,000 in punitory damages to the publisher of that magazine, Ralph Ginsberg. And this was upheld by United States Court of Appeals in the Second Circuit, and the Supreme Court's denied a petition to review it. So, Goldwater ended up prevailing, but at the time, feeling like they have a little egg on their face of all of these psychiatrists making public statements, the American Psychiatric Association said, this is something where this might erode the trust in our professionals, and therefore our profession. We can't have this. We have a sense of urgency that we need to address this, let's take nine years to make a rule.   Katie Vernoy  06:03 Nine years for a very important role. Well at least, we can't say that they didn't think it out, take time to really consider.   Curt Widhalm  06:11 I point out a little bit of the nine years because what happened at the time is, we were under the guidance of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association's Second edition. Now, this was during a building towards the DSM three, which was going to come out several years later in 1980. But for those of us who weren't practicing back in 1964, and answering questionnaires from Fact Magazine, there was a pretty fundamental difference between the DSM two and the DSM three. And that difference was the DSM two was largely based in psychodynamic and psychoanalytic theory, which led to a lot of conjecture and potential bias in evaluating clients. With the DSM three helps move us towards today's DSMs is created more of behavioral checklist observations. And so what many of these psychiatrist were conjecturing about Mr. Goldwater is assumptions about his upbringing, assumptions about the relationships that he was having, and the underpinnings of wherever they're believed psychosis and megalomania, diagnostics and observations about him would be based out of.   Katie Vernoy  07:40 so it really switched from being based in more of a clinician theoretical orientation to what we know more at this point with the DSM 3, 4, 5, 5TR that's coming out that it moves to more of observable and behavioral criteria. Am I hearing that right?   Curt Widhalm  07:59 You are hearing that absolutely correct. And so what the DSM three allowed is, if somebody's not getting out of bed, that's a feature of depression.   Katie Vernoy  08:12 Yes   Curt Widhalm  08:13 Not based in whatever the DSM two criteria were before. Overall, as far as protecting, you know, diagnostics, making inter-rater diagnostics, a little bit more consistent. This is generally seen as a good thing.   Katie Vernoy  08:29 Yeah.   Curt Widhalm  08:31 But some of the debates in the 60s and 70s, and has continued today is in the APA's interpretations of the Goldwater principle - I'm emphasizing principle here at this point  - is that there's some fear that if psychiatrists are making statements about political candidates, that if those candidates win, particularly executive offices within the US federal government, there may be fear that the federal government would reduce the reimbursement rates given to (particularly) psychiatrist for their services, under things like Medicare, and Medicaid.   Katie Vernoy  09:16 So it was -  there was money - money was talking here.   Curt Widhalm  09:19 Well, not necessarily any direct threats that I can find in my research about the setup of this, but there is the potential fear and who knows there may be a president that might punish particular agencies or sectors of the economy, if they are in fact elected. I don't know if that could potentially happen, but that's where the American Psychiatric Association's concerns seem to have been lying.   Katie Vernoy  09:47 And it seems like they may not have been too far off. So what was the original intention of the Goldwater principle then?   Curt Widhalm  09:58 So in some of our Research here and a lot of our conversation here right now so far as some history that is provided by the British Journal of Psychiatry article called "It is ethical to diagnose a public figure one has not personally examined". This is a debate written by John Gartner, Alex Lankford and Eileen O'Brien. Now in this, John Gardner had mentioned some personal communications that he had had with Dr. Allen Dyer, who was the last living member of the original APA ethics committee that drafted the APA Goldwater response in 1974.   Katie Vernoy  10:40 Wow   Curt Widhalm  10:41 This did lead me to looking at some more information that Allen Dyer has written and fortunately, Dr. Dyer has a blog, where he has written about the evolution of the so called Goldwater rule and ethical analysis.   Katie Vernoy  10:58 Can we put that in our show notes?   Curt Widhalm  11:00 We will include links and or references to everything that we can in our show notes. So this is from 2017 from this "Evolution of the so called Goldwater rule and ethical analysis." And from Dr. Dyer, I'm quoting here, "the first thing to appreciate about the so called Goldwater rule is that it is not a rule but rather a principle. The APA's code of ethics is the annotations applicable to psychiatry, of the AMA principle of medical ethics, which explicitly state that the principles are quote, 'not laws, but standards of conduct, which define the essentials of honorable behavior for the physician.' end quote - Much of the current discussion applies rule based legalistic thinking to a matter of professional judgment based on principle. In ethical theory, this would be a category mistake, attempting to transform a teleological end-based approach into a deontological or rule-based approach.   Katie Vernoy  12:07 Okay, ethics nerd, I was trying to follow you there. We've got teleological, and deontological. I think I'm gonna need a little bit of an explanation.   Curt Widhalm  12:18 Okay. So these are two different ways of looking at ethics and keeping this as kind of a shorter conversation because this isn't the point of the episode. But I think it helps to clarify what Dr. Dyer is saying here. Teleological is a type of consequentialist ethics. And what that means is that we need to look at the outcome of an action to determine if it was morally good or not. Whereas a deontological approach would be if there is any chance that an action could cause harm, you should not do that action.   Katie Vernoy  12:59 Okay. So if we're looking at deontological, it would be if something could be harmful, like client's in crisis in your office, need to be hospitalized? Do you drive them to the hospital or not? It sounds like a deontological deontological?   Curt Widhalm  13:18 deontologist,   Katie Vernoy  13:19 A deontologist, which doesn't sound like what it is, if a deontologist would say you should never have a client in your car, you should never drive your client to the hospital, you should never manage your client crisis alone.   Curt Widhalm  13:32 Yes, all of all of those lawyers and all of those insurance agents that would say, you know, oh, you got into an accident with with your client in the car, you are at fault for this. That is a deontological way of thinking.   Katie Vernoy  13:48 Okay, and then the teleological way would be that if you believe that you can be safe, you know this client needs to get to the hospital soon. You know, there's there's no transportation available, and it's going to be hours and hours. And this client is decompensating and needs to get to the hospital, but you have a strong relationship, you feel safe, you put them in your car, you get them over to the hospital, because the end justifies the means?   Curt Widhalm  14:15 Close and I guess maybe the the place of clarifying this is with the correct intent that if you reasonably believe that you could help this client get to the hospital and it was reasonably possible and something were bad to happen along the way - It's kind of more of the Good Samaritan approach that the intentions were correct. The the fallout of it ended up being maybe not ideal, but if there's the potential to cause good and as long as the intentions were good, you can morally judge that as good.   Katie Vernoy  14:53 Okay, but that still is sounding a little bit like the ends justify the means   Curt Widhalm  14:57 You You You are correct here -  In that this is what Dr. Dyer is saying -  this was -  he saying that this was written as a way of saying, use your judgment. Be, you know, predictably well. This, this subcommittee said, this is teleological. This is consequential. Have some professional judgment in doing this.   Katie Vernoy  15:21 Mm hmm.   Curt Widhalm  15:23 And what has happened over the last 40 plus years is it has been interpreted through an entirely different and competing moral viewpoint that everyone seems to be taking as well "just don't do this."   Katie Vernoy  15:38 Yeah. I see the complexity, though. Because if we're looking at maybe not exactly the ends justify the means, but something where we are relying on individual professionals to have a good assessment of their motives, to have a good assessment of what the consequence would be for public diagnosis, for example. Do we feel like we can trust our professionals to make that judgment? That the consequences are sufficiently positive and being able to work in that gray?   Curt Widhalm  16:14 And what Dr. Dyer is saying is that the APA says, No, those individual people can't make that decision.   Katie Vernoy  16:24 So we're looking at people making something very concrete, black and white, that actually has a lot of gray in it, and it's supposed to be professional judgment, not this is good, or this is bad.   Curt Widhalm  16:37 Yes. Now, Dr. Dyer goes on to say the second thing to appreciate is that the Goldwater caveat - called rule and understood by many psychiatrist as an absolute prohibition - is, in fact, embedded in an affirmative obligation of physicians to society, quote, "a responsibility to participate in activities contributing to the improvement of the community and the betterment of public health." I take what Dr. Dyer is saying here, as the intention behind this was that psychiatrists should still be looking at improving the overall communities and public health that they work in, that there's an honor of being a medical professional to serving the greater good of society. And that this Goldwater caveat is that we maybe don't make diagnostics about people without evaluating them. But maybe when we feel that there is a sense of danger to somebody, we can use our professional - and in their case, medical - knowledge to be able to make communications about that.   Katie Vernoy  17:48 I'm not clear that that's what the Goldwater rule is being interpreted as now. Right. I mean, it seems like even saying anything has gotten to be taboo, according to the American Psychiatric Association.   Curt Widhalm  18:03 Oh, wait, there's more.   Katie Vernoy  18:05 Okay, okay. Keep going, keep going.   Curt Widhalm  18:09 Now, we also need to consider what the landscape of 1960s and 1970s world is as far as available information. I grew up in a part of the country at a point in my life, where, with an antenna and good weather, we could get maybe four television stations, the internet did not yet exist. Cell phones were a thing that was only imagined on the Jetsons that   Katie Vernoy  18:40 You and me both buddy, you and me both.   Curt Widhalm  18:43 This was several years after Mr. Goldwater was running for president. So the availability of information back at that time is much different than the landscape that we have today.   Katie Vernoy  18:54 Sure   Curt Widhalm  18:55 You know, I in my pocket normally carry a device that has more computing power than the first spaceships that went to the moon. Now, what I choose to do with it is make memes and send videos of cats to my wife. But I could also go and pull up videos of just about any public figure in a variety of different contexts that would allow for me as a mental health professional to at least say, yeah, what you're doing kind of looks "sus" as the kids who are using the language these days   Katie Vernoy  19:33 It's like "kind of looks what?" - suspect is that what you're saying is like for the old people in the audience, it's suspect that their your, your behavior looks suspect. All right?   Curt Widhalm  19:44 Yes. Now, in the intervening years, this is back to Dr. Dyer's blog, points out that the 2013 version of the principles and annotations preserves the original language of the 1973 version. But the 2015 APA commentary on ethics and practice takes a more administrative and specific tone. It preserves the affirmative ethical principle, better... of improving the community and betterment of public health through education and evidence based science. But says rather than offering opinions about a specific person, as the best means of facilitating public education, in some circumstances, such as academic scholarships, about figures of historical importance, exploration of psychiatric issues, for example, diagnostic conclusions. May be reasonably provided that it has sufficient evidence-base and is subject to peer review and academic scrutiny. It just means that you don't just go out as an individual and say, Here's my opinion. It needs to have a little bit of consensus here. But what the APA ethics committee did, instead, is started to reflect language that psychiatrists should not make any public statements about anybody no matter what. And this was really the beginnings of where the dangerous case of Donald Trump's how authored by Bandy X. Lee and colleagues ended up being a really big part of the debate here over the last now six years. And what the APA was seemingly trying to do is take the voice out of people saying, "hey, trust me, I'm a doctor. I know what I'm saying." And there were several questions and published across, you know, a number of different op eds, some that appeared in places like the New York Times that led to many of the professional organizations coming down more strictly on the emergence of the Goldwater rule. And this is where in March 2017, the American Psychiatric Association released a statement saying the APA remains committed to supporting the Goldwater rule.   Katie Vernoy  22:13 Ah   Curt Widhalm  22:14 And they gave three main points for the rationale of their opinion. Number one, when a psychiatrist comments about the behavior, symptoms, diagnosis, etc, of a public figure without consent, that psychiatrist has violated the principle that psychiatric evaluations be conducted with consent or authorization.   Katie Vernoy  22:35 So we're looking at consent as number one,   Curt Widhalm  22:38 Yes.   Katie Vernoy  22:38 Okay.   Curt Widhalm  22:40 Number two, offering a professional opinion on an individual that a psychiatrist has not examined, is a departure from established methods of examination, which require careful study of medical history, and firsthand examination of the patient. Such behavior compromises both the integrity of the psychiatrist and the profession.   Katie Vernoy  23:03 So that one sounds the most similar to the original intent, which is don't diagnose someone that you've not evaluated.   Curt Widhalm  23:10 Right,   Katie Vernoy  23:10 Right. Okay. And this is saying, don't do that, because it makes us look bad.   Curt Widhalm  23:18 Pretty much,   Katie Vernoy  23:19 Okay.   Curt Widhalm  23:20 And third, when psychiatrists offer medical opinions about an individual they have not examined, they have the potential to stigmatize those with mental illness.   Katie Vernoy  23:29 So we got there's no consent, it makes us look bad, and increases stigma.   Curt Widhalm  23:36 Yes.   Katie Vernoy  23:37 Okay.   Curt Widhalm  23:39 Now, turning this as maybe a question to you. You and I have both listened to a little bit of the news here in the last several years. What have you heard Donald Trump being diagnosed with?   Katie Vernoy  23:56 Malignant narcissism is one. He probably could be diagnosed with ADHD could potentially be diagnosed with psychopathy. I mean, like there's a lot of  - sociopathy, like there's - which I guess is malignant narcissism, but I've heard a lot of different suggestions about what's possible.   Curt Widhalm  24:17 And I've heard some people even suggesting things like dementia on top of that, just to be clear, these are things that Katie and I have heard, we're not actually   Katie Vernoy  24:28 We're not saying they're true. We're not diagnosing in public people!   Curt Widhalm  24:34 One of the op eds in the New York Times pointed out that in order for things like narcissism to be diagnosed, if you look in the DSM and particularly where we are today, the DSM five, that one of the features for diagnostics is that it has to be disturbing to the patient's themselves.   Katie Vernoy  24:58 Hmm.   Curt Widhalm  24:59 And therefore is actually an inaccurate use of a diagnostic, let alone the means to actually arrive there. Now, as I was mentioning earlier, there are lots of ways to get indirect observations of people these days. And maybe this calls into question the diagnosis or the diagnostic criteria of personality disorders where, hey, if one of the features of a personality disorder is that they're not bothered by the fact that they have that particular personality disorder, maybe that needs to be looked at in future DSMs. Maybe we'll talk to somebody someday about that. But in response to the APA reaffirming this   Katie Vernoy  25:47 for the American Psychiatric Association   Curt Widhalm  25:49 The American Psychiatric Association, in response to a op ed, published on New York times.com on March 7 2016, called "Should therapist analyze presidential candidates" on March 14 2016, the then president of the American Psychological Association - so taking this out of the medical realm and potentially a little bit more specific to providers of more traditional therapy - president of the American Psychological Association at the time, Dr. Susan H. McDaniel, wrote response to the article on whether therapists should analyze presidential candidates. And I'll read this in its entirety because it's about three paragraphs. "The American Psychological Association wholeheartedly agrees with Robert Klitzman PhD that neither psychiatrist nor psychologist should offer diagnoses of candidates, or any other living public figure they have never examined. Our association has declined requests from several reporters seeking referrals to psychologists who would make such speculations. Similar to the psychiatrist Goldwater rule, our Code of Ethics exhort psychologists to take precautions that any statements they make to the media are based on their professional knowledge, training or experience in accord with appropriate psychological literature and practice. And do not indicate that a professional relationship has been established with people in the public eye, including political candidates. When providing opinions of psychological characteristics, psychologists must conduct an examination adequate to support statements or conclusions. In other words, our ethical codes state that psychologists should not offer a diagnosis in the media of a living public figure they have not examined."   Katie Vernoy  27:40 So just diagnosis, it sounds like it also is going further into things that might be within the realm of psychology and not diagnosis. It was saying nothing could be in your professional opinion, unless you've done a an evaluation. And then there would be confidentiality issues. So the question that I have is - it just don't talk about public figures at all?   Curt Widhalm  28:06 That seems to be where both of the APAs are going with this language. Now, according to the Wikipedia article on the Goldwater rule, it is a citation needed statement on there. As you know, we're citing our references here. And I wasn't able to substantiate this claim that Dr. McDaniel received a lot of pushback from members of the American Psychological Association about her stance and interpretation of the American Psychological Association direction and intention with this, that apparently, many members of the American Psychological Association felt that this was too specific and restrictive. And that as long as they were framing it within the characteristics of hey, I haven't evaluated this guy, but based on these statements, and these misapplication of following through on his own things, yeah, this one presidential candidate seems to have this diagnosis. But of course, they were eventually talking about the opportunity to say this about Kanye West. Now, I recognize that most of our audience are probably not psychiatrists, and most of our audience are probably not psychologists. And so I want to create kind of some space as far as where do our other professional mental health associations take stances on these kinds of things. And that would be the American Counseling Association, the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapists, National Association for Social Workers. And Katie and my participation with the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists,  while a state Organization, they have 30 plus 1000 members, we generally give them a say in national discussions as well. But before we jump to more of these masters levels organizations, Katie, what are you feeling as far as - can we be talking about people publicly?   Katie Vernoy  30:16 So what I'm hearing is that you can, it's pretty clear that you should not diagnose publicly, I think the the folks who wrote The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump would disagree. But most of the time, so far, what you've talked about APA and APA, are saying don't diagnose. It seems like there's an ongoing discussion around whether we can give opinion on behavior. How are the psychiatrists and other folks about how are we analyzing that piece about... Can we talk about people in public?   Curt Widhalm  30:52 So this is going back to that British Journal of Psychiatry. And back to the point made by John Gartner. He says that you don't have to diagnose to warn, in some cases, people may use public figures as a way of educating the public about diagnostic criteria, such as narcissistic personality disorder, for example, and let readers draw their own conclusions: 'Hey, I haven't evaluated this particular candidate. These kinds of behaviors are generally consistent with narcissistic personality disorder. Once again, I haven't evaluated this person, they're not a patient of mine. Make your own conclusions.' I don't necessarily like that as a full, you know, greenlight to go ahead and do this. I think that, as you pointed out at the beginning of the episode, that there's a lot of nuance to this conversation. And as professionals, we have to foresee some of the responsibility of saying, 'I'm not gonna draw the conclusions for you, but I'm drawing the conclusions for you,' is not really good discussion of public health. But what Gartner's argument is, is that in the bottom line is many people may feel the duty to warn, and a duty to warn does not require a multi axial diagnosis. And he uses the example of someone who's bringing a gun to your house, you only need to know that somebody is bringing a gun into your house.   Katie Vernoy  32:29 Yeah,   Curt Widhalm  32:29 A diagnosis is not needed.   Katie Vernoy  32:31 When the question that I heard posed with it, or I read posed within that debate article, is that - Do we need opinions from psychological experts or psychiatric experts at all? Can we just not view it as a public as a general public? Can we not just view behavior and make our own assumptions and psychiatrists or therapists providing that expert opinion does more harm than good and isn't required?   Curt Widhalm  33:05 It's a topic worth diving into, you know, part of where seeing the public really destigmatize mental health in a lot of ways - and we've seen this reflected in our practices and the need for mental health services over the last several years - is the public is a lot more open to talking about the challenges they face. But a lot of people misdiagnose without the robust background of training of how to properly assess people. And, you know, how many people are you going to see on social media that's, you know, complained about, oh, I'm O... I'm so OCD, I need to straighten out the books on my shelf. That's not really a diagnostic of obsessive compulsive disorder and tends to diminish what actual obsessive compulsive disorder is for those who properly have that condition. It's something where leaving this discussion out into the public really allows for things to be watered down in such a way that some of these diagnostics tend to lose all meaning. So to answer your question, I think that it's healthy to have professionals with a background to be able to offer this opinion, it's a matter of how it's done that is potentially there. But so far with the information that we're seeing from the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association, is that any professional opinion about any public figure seems to be forbidden.   Katie Vernoy  34:41 So we're stuck with the experts being silenced. But then the guidance around how to actually provide expert opinions to the public seems to be a little bit limiting, at least from the two APAs.   Curt Widhalm  34:56 Yes.   Katie Vernoy  34:56 What are the master's level folks saying?   Curt Widhalm  34:59 That is an excellent question and I'm glad that you're bringing it up. Looking at the four codes of the masters level organizations. This was summarized pretty well in September of 2016 on psychotherapynotes.com by Dr. Ben Caldwell. And I'll expand on some of this because some of these things have been updated even since this blog post. But starting with the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy standard 3.11 simply requires that therapists exercise special care when making public their professional recommendations and opinions. There's no prohibition against diagnosing public figures according to AAMFT. Okay, the American Counseling Association as far as within their ethical code Standard C6C, says that counselors speaking with the media base their statements on appropriate counseling literature and practice to ensure that their statements are otherwise consistent with the ACA code of ethics, and to be clear about the nature of their relationship with those receiving the information. National Association of Social Workers - well, they talk about dishonesty and multiple standards. They also require social workers to protect client confidentiality when dealing with the media that standard 1.7K But they don't have any parallels to the Goldwater rule.   Katie Vernoy  36:38 Social workers really have no guidance at all, not very much anyway.   Curt Widhalm  36:43 CAMFT - This has been updated since Dr. Caldwell's blog here, but the CAMFT code of ethics 5.13 Public Statements, marriage and family therapist because of their ability to influence and alter the lives of others exercise caution when making public their professional recommendations, or their professional opinions, through testimony, social media and internet content, or other public statements. CAMFT also goes on to say 5.14 Limits of Professional Opinions, marriage and family therapists do not express professional opinions about an individual's psychological condition, unless they have treated or conducted an examination and assessment of the individual. Or unless they reveal the limits of the information upon which their professional opinions are based, with appropriate cautions as to the effects of such limited information upon their opinions. Now, how do you take this from the 4 master's level organizations?   Katie Vernoy  37:45 I mean, it's a little confusing to me. I think there's certainly caution that we need to take and not do this lightly, not pop off on our podcast, make sure that we're not just giving diagnosis willy nilly that we actually are cautious. Use our training, understand our training. And then also I hear- I think primarily from CAMFT but maybe from somebody other ones - that we need to make sure we put forward the limits that of information that we have, so I've not assessed this person or this is something I've not seen, but my statement is being based on this body of knowledge and this this information that I've been given. So it's a little more guidance, but it still is something where, you know, the rules... Ot just I mean, some of it feels like best judgment, which is a little bit more aligned to the the Goldwater principle. But it's it's still hard to know what's going to be in the best interest of society, of the our professions, of the individuals that are in the spot, the public, public eye that potentially are getting some of this stuff going on. Like it just feels really complex to make a decision around diagnosis or public statements.   Curt Widhalm  39:07 So in April of 2018, the American Counseling Association published an ethics update by Perry C Francis. Credited in counseling today, Perry Francis is a professor of counseling at Eastern Michigan University, and coordinator of the counseling and training clinic and the College of Education clinical suite, member of the American College Counseling Association, and he chaired the ethics revision task force that developed the 2014 ACA code of ethics. And summarizing many parts of the article, he also points to E5 of the ACA code of ethics which says, counselors take special care to provide proper diagnosis mental disorders, and dives into the discussion of what exactly is special care. And, in the description talks about that there's a list of behaviors and characteristics that make up not the entirety of a whole person. The DSM has been accused of being ethnocentric. And it's difficult to apply this to other cultures and contexts. Meanwhile, stakeholders like pharmaceutical companies welcome a growing list of diagnosable disorders and overall cautions that professionals who make real world statements might fail to take into account just the ramifications of what these statements might be saying, not only just to the public, but also to other businesses that work in mental health care. Therefore, as counselors according to Perry Francis, we need to take special care to ensure that any diagnosis is made using the most appropriate assessment techniques, including a well planned clinical interview and the most relevant instruments and tests. Part of taking that special care is taking into account the impact of culture on a client's life, including the fact that a client can live in multiple cultures. Perry Francis concludes this article by saying that the American Counseling Association has released a statement concerning publicly diagnosing the mental state of an individual. And it states in part, when publicly discussing public figures and others, professional counselors should avoid DSM and ICD related terms, especially the words diagnosis and disorder. Counselors should not attach a specific DSM or ICD diagnosis to any individual through messaging or statements in media outlets, or social media. Avoiding public statements that label an individual with a mental disorder is in the best interests of the public. This approach aligns with one of the counseling professions core professional values, as stated in the preamble of the ACA code of ethics, practicing in a competent and ethical manner.   Katie Vernoy  42:14 So that seems pretty clear to diagnosis.   Curt Widhalm  42:17 Yes,   Katie Vernoy  42:17 Right I mean, it's not about behavior. It's not saying this behavior as harmful like that's I mean, APA, both of the APAs seem to say like, Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, like anything you say about a person, a public figure is too much, whereas the at least ACA is now saying, as long as it's not a diagnosis, you're good.   Curt Widhalm  42:38 That seems that seems to be where the stance is here.   Katie Vernoy  42:42 Okay. So that's what the professional associations are saying. I mean, I don't... like I feel like we still need to talk about how someone would make these decisions.   Curt Widhalm  42:55 Well, let's take this out of the research and the publications here so far. Let's talk about, you know, what our observations of the landscape of our field is. You and I both know, hundreds, if not 1000s, of therapists at this point, many of whom were connected to on social media. We have lots of friends who are professionals who talk on podcasts and are connected in the media, some who are on TV shows, providing therapy.   Katie Vernoy  43:29 Yes,   Curt Widhalm  43:30 We see lots of people in these spaces talking about lots of things.   Katie Vernoy  43:34 Yeah.   Curt Widhalm  43:34 What do you see?   Katie Vernoy  43:37 I mean, I see folks who are very open and talking about their own concerns. And so they're able to put forward their own mental health journey as an example. I see people talking about treatment between, you know, kind of how people treat each other and, and those types of things. I mean, I think the the treating someone on a TV show that feels like that's a, a demonstration of therapy with, hopefully, appropriate consents. And I don't I mean, besides our foray into having Bandy on the podcast, I've not seen someone, at least directly diagnose someone in public, I've seen people express concern about public figures or about the impact of public figures, but it feels a little bit more behavioral. And so kind of along the, this the second line, which is, you know, these behaviors are of concern, and this is why. But I don't know that I've seen a lot of the folks we know, kind of saying, like this person is a malignant narcissist. Like I don't necessarily see that -  although now that I just said it out loud. I think I probably have seen that as well. How about you? What are you seeing?   Curt Widhalm  44:48 Oh, I know a lot of our listeners are, you know, maybe have the same political ideologies as you and I. Maybe they're not. Maybe they make assumptions that they are. But what I do see is that especially as there becomes more advocacy within communities around a diagnosis - people coming from, for example, ADHD community, doing more to educate people about the things that go along with having ADHD that maybe extra, outside of the things listed within the DSM. Might see this same thing with any number of other diagnostic communities that come together. And what I see is also the inverse of some of these statements. And I particularly remember a time and seeing some discussions around Elon Musk making the claim that he was the first person with Asperger's to host Saturday Night Live. This is   Katie Vernoy  45:59 Yes,   Curt Widhalm  46:00 It's been some time in the past.   Katie Vernoy  46:01 Yeah.   Curt Widhalm  46:02 And many people have some opinions about this statement. And a lot of the commentary that I saw was professionals who also self identified - and I don't know, their diagnostic criteria -  of being part of the Autistic community ended up feeling that either or making statements on their own social media that, hey, Elon Musk isn't one of us. Doesn't belong on the spectrum. Now, these are professionals, I don't, you know, remember, and I don't I'm not pulling them up here. But I think it's just as important to caution saying the absence of a diagnosis without evaluating somebody is potentially just as damaging or dangerous as it is that saying somebody is at a certain diagnosis.   Katie Vernoy  46:56 Now that you say that, I think there's also been an impulse, maybe impulse is the wrong word, but there's been some of the you're not, you know, you aren't representative of us, like you talked about whether it's Elon Musk, or an original poster. And then there's also in comments, well, you definitely have this diagnosis, you definitely seem depressed, or you definitely seem X. Like people offering more diagnostic, you know, beyond the like, you should talk to your therapist about this, more of a diagnostic, what you're describing in this 50, you know, 50 word post suggest to me that you must be X diagnosis. And so to me, I think we are a little fast and loose in the more casual public spaces, like social media groups, and those types of things. But I think there is an element of the inverse diagnosis that's interesting. Because I hadn't thought about it that way. Like certainly saying, hey, this person has this diagnosis, that seems pretty clear. But saying this person with a self who self identified doesn't have a diagnosis, how is that harmful but how do you say, what did you think? Why do you think that's harmful?   Curt Widhalm  48:12 We haven't presented somebody with a proper assessment ourselves to publicly comment on what their diagnosis is. If  - We may not know their medical or psychological history it may be and not framing it, within the context of where you're basing that opinion is where these ethics codes are saying that that is unethical behavior. That you may only be making a snap judgment based on, you know, a few clips of a sketch comedy show. You may be incredibly biased based on the types of news outlets that you receive your information from. And particularly, you know, somebody like Elon Musk that doesn't have quite the number of televised appearances that somebody like Donald Trump might, that the limited amount of available information that you have ends up becoming where if they truly do have this diagnosis, you as a professional are making a statement that invalidates their experience. And one of the main principles of all of our codes of ethics is a stance of nonmaleficence not creating harm.   Katie Vernoy  49:33 Yeah. It's interesting because I think it's it's harder, I think, for some of our audience to be like, well, poor Donald Trump, poor Elon Musk, poor billionaires. Right. And I think, in truth, we actually need to pay attention to that because to me, they're, you know, although some people might disagree with me, they're humans too. And they, they could be harmed by the statements that are made. For most of us, I think maybe I'm putting myself too much in that. I think it's easier to, to look at this as a problem, when it's someone who is more traditionally oppressed. You know, if someone who legitimately, whether they claim it or not, has a mental health diagnosis, it doesn't prove them unfit for, for being in a public position, whether it's, you know, a government official or whatever. Like, if we, if we start making the case that they are problematic. Not only are we potentially breaking the Goldwater rule, but we're also potentially increasing stigma, as as the APA said, but we're also potentially harming the ability to have a more diverse representative pool in our legislation. We may be oppressing folks, because we've made this our job to try to protect society from folks who are mentally ill. And that feels really bad. I think the arguments against doing this in a more directed way to public figures. That's where it sits with me as appropriate. Like I, I was celebrating the The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump and I and I don't know that I would say like, Hey, that was a bad idea. But I think the precedent concerns me if we then use these types of stratagems to try to get folks either not elected or out of office.   Curt Widhalm  51:37 And bringing this back to earlier in the episode, the dangerous case of Donald Trump's pretty significant portion of that book is the arguments of the needing to step outside of the code of ethics as far as a duty to warn, that does not necessarily focus on the diagnostic criteria, but more so on behaviors that interpersonally end up feeling dangerous to people who have spent their career studying dangerous behaviors.   Katie Vernoy  52:11 Sure, and listening to Bandy speak in our conference, like she was talking about the the problem of violence. And there were specific, very public displays of incitement to violence or violence by Donald Trump that I think was potentially where she based her concern about and her duty to warn.   Curt Widhalm  52:32 And it also comes from a decade's long history of that being her particular area of study and specialty.   Katie Vernoy  52:40 Yeah.   Curt Widhalm  52:41 Which is quite a bit different in a number of ways of picking a celebrity and a random page in the DSM and going through some sort of BuzzFeed type evaluation and throwing your opinion out on the internet.   Katie Vernoy  52:59 Which is kind of what the original Goldwater thing was right? It was a magazine reaching out to a whole bunch of psychiatrists who were like, "Yeah, I think he's nuts.   Curt Widhalm  53:11 Pretty much   Katie Vernoy  53:12 It was, I mean, granted, it was a pool of folks. But it sounds like you described it as all over the place. And it wasn't something where they even necessarily individually, were thinking, oh, this is going to be public record. It was more like, oh, in the aggregate, this is kind of fun. I'm anonymously, putting forward my opinion about a candidate I don't like.   Curt Widhalm  53:34 And so this does bring to the overall discussion that making public statements as viewed by any of these professional organizations, does include even your own personal social media.   Katie Vernoy  53:48 Yeah.   Curt Widhalm  53:49 And there needs to be the caution. And this is really the emphatic point here. There needs to be the caution of how you're framing these statements. One of my Facebook memories said recently, was about the day that Donald Trump was inaugurated as the 45th President of the United States. And for listeners of the podcast, I think I've described before I was in a pretty serious bike accident about 10 years ago. And one of my social media posts from Inauguration Day was of the presidential limo driving down the streets of Washington, DC, solely in the bike lane. And my response, I mean, they had all the streets closed down his parade, it was not great. But yeah, my statement was, as a survivor of a pretty traumatic bike accidents, this administration is not off to a good start. Now, you obviously get the humor of this, you know, maybe even you know if you were to read too much into my statements - oh is is that trauma speaking is that, you know, that, and I'm talking about my own, you know, experiences and potential mental health here, but you got the humor out of it knowing me?   Katie Vernoy  55:13 Sure. Yes, I do.   Curt Widhalm  55:15 But it was not about Donald Trump, it was about the administration.   Katie Vernoy  55:19 Yeah.   Curt Widhalm  55:20 And there is a crafting that we need to consider in making any of these kinds of statements, we're all going to have opinions about many different people. And that is fine. Your responsibility as a professional is to know that every statement that you make, that goes outside of the very privacy of your own home, which does include things that you put on the internet, can be taken as fact, as a professional who's speaking. And that opens you up to ethical and legal liabilities.   Katie Vernoy  55:57 I think that's really strong. And I think I'd like to get even a little bit more specific on some ideas around this, because to me, there's an element of public figures that we've not talked about yet that I think is important to consider. I know -  and I'm sure you've had this happen too -  that I will meet someone for the first time. And they say, I feel like I know you, I listened to the podcast. And we are small potatoes compared to a President of the United States. I think there's an element to us feeling like we know public figures based on how they present to the public, and the things that they do. And I think the more time you spend in public, the more of your real self shows up, I think we discount that some people play a role, arguably people will have, the more time they spend in public, the more likely they are to show their real self. But there is a version of this where Trump's acting all the time, and it is playing a role in order to get what he wants. And does that suggest, narcissism maybe. But if it's all pretend, can we really diagnose him? You know, and I think with the the limitations of the knowledge that we have, I think we have to be very cautious about what we say. We don't know someone based on a small snippet of social media, or even sometimes, our long videos of their behavior. I think we do need to be cautious of saying, Well, we have enough information, we can make this diagnosis. We have a whole episode or several episodes on people making assumptions on the internet. So we can link to some of those in the show notes as well. And so to me, I think it comes back to what information do I actually have. Making sure I discussed the limits of the information. And then I think the third thing that is really important is what is my intent. And this is, you know - for all the DBT Folks, this is getting into wise mind - and I think for those of us who are advocates, it's determining is this strategic? Is this about trying to win an election? Like it was with the Goldwater stuff? Is it about a duty to warn, because society is going down rapidly and we need to call this out and, and name it, or anything else? Like what is the actual intention? Am I angry? Am I scared? How is that impacting my judgment? I think it's something where if we just speak from a place of seat-of-my-pants, this is what I'm seeing and it's scary. And it's awful, because this person is politically different from me, I think we get very, very in a very, very dangerous territory as a society.   Curt Widhalm  58:52 To conclude all of this - I think you're summarizing it very, very well - is that for many of our professional organizations that we may belong to, at the masters level, there is not a ethical code that necessarily forbids this.   Katie Vernoy  59:11 Yeah   Curt Widhalm  59:12 You need to really be cautious about framing the information upon how you're basing your opinions. And in general, I would stop well short of, you know, leaving the trail of breadcrumbs up to a diagnosis, if you do have personal and professional concerns about somebody who may be out there and expressing this, whether you put it on your social media, or what you think is your personal social media. Most professional organizations are still going to look at that as a professional statement. That you very carefully framed the context of where you're discussing these things from.   Katie Vernoy  59:54 Yeah   Curt Widhalm  59:54 And I think that in several of these articles that we've been citing here - and we willl put the references in our show notes at mtsgpodcast.com - that what has changed since 2016, when this debate really started and why we feel that it's still a relevant discussion today, is that some of these professional organizations have clamped down even harder in the last few years.   Katie Vernoy  1:00:24 Yeah.   Curt Widhalm  1:00:24 And some of the information that's available out there or pops up to the top of your search engines is not necessarily the most up-to-date information. It's important to understand the historical context that where professional organizations are today is not where they started back when the Goldwater principle was first suggested. Some of these articles now we're calling it the Goldwater doctrine, without necessarily putting it into any sort of ethical rigor to move things from a guiding principle to a absolute gag rule. So our recommendation is, for most of you it's not forbidden to make public commentary. But really, really make sure that you frame any sort of statements or exaspirations or social media posts in ways that really frame how you are coming to your conclusion and what your relationship (or lack there of) is to the person that you're talking about. We would love to hear your thoughts on this. You can let us know on our social media or in our Facebook group, the modern therapist group, you can find our Show Notes and references at mtsgpodcast.com. And stay tuned for more information on how to get continuing education for listening to this podcast. 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Several mental health professionals decided to speak publicly about Donald Trump, but no one had the specific expertise, influence, and organizational talents of Dr. Bandy X. Lee, the author of "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President." In this episode, Dr. Lee discusses how she came to the historical decision to speak out on the potential threat of Trump and thus step into a maelstrom of controversy. (This episode was originally recorded as part 1 of a two-part interview with Dr. Lee. Part 2 has been published as episode #112.) Hosts: Eyrn, Toshia, Alan Guest: Bandy X. Lee, MD, MDiv

Jen talks to clinical psychologist Dr. Jennifer Contarino Panning about her work with adolescents with anxiety. They also discuss the rise in anxiety among college students and how simple things like nature and building a life work well along with therapy in curbing anxiety. Dr. Panning also coined the term "Trump Anxiety Disorder" and was a contributer to the 2017 book: 'The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President.' For more information on Dr. Panning's work click here: https://www.evanstonpsychologists.com/our-evanston-therapists/dr-jennifer-contarino-panning-evanston-psychologist/ Anxiety Bites is distributed by the iHeartPodcast Network and co-produced by Dylan Fagan and JJ Posway. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

What happens when you are dismissed from Yale University for publicly providing your expertise on mental health and violence prevention?  According to Dr. Bandy X. Lee, you continue to advocate for social justice! Bandy X. Lee, M.D., M.Div., is a forensic psychiatrist and an expert on violence who taught at Yale School of Medicine and Yale Law School for 17 years.  She published a textbook, more than 100 peer-reviewed articles and chapters, 17 edited scholarly books and journal special issues, and more than 300 op-eds in outlets such as The Guardian, The New York Times, The Boston Globe, The Independent, and Politico.  She edited the New York Times bestseller, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President, authored Profile of a Nation: Trump’s Mind, America’s Soul, and is currently president of the World Mental Health Coalition. Twitter: BandyXLee1  

Hello and welcome to The Rob Burgess Show. I am, of course, your host, Rob Burgess. On this, our 193rd episode, our guest is Bandy X. Lee, M.D., M.Div. Bandy X. Lee, M.D., M.Div., is a forensic psychiatrist and violence expert who was a fellow of the National Institute of Mental Health and faculty member at Yale School of Medicine for 17 years. Since 2002, she has served as consultant to the World Health Organization (WHO) and is now president of the World Mental Health Coalition. In addition to her clinical work in correctional and public-sector settings, she was director of research for the Center for the Study of Violence, founder and director of Yale's Violence and Health Study Group, and project leader for an academic collaborators group for the WHO. She consulted with governments on violence prevention programming internationally and within the U.S., as well as helped with prison reform, including New York City's once-notorious Rikers Island. She designed the Global Health Studies course, “Violence: Causes and Cures,” at Yale College, which led to her textbook, “Violence: An Interdisciplinary Approach to Causes, Consequences, and Cures” (Wiley-Blackwell, 2019). She published more than 100 peer-reviewed articles and chapters, 17 edited scholarly books and journal special issues, nearly 300 op-eds, and the New York Times bestseller, “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President” (Macmillan, 2017 and 2019). Her latest book is “Profile of a Nation: Trump's Mind, America's Soul” (World Mental Health Coalition, 2020). A quick programming note: Near the end of the episode, we allude to, but do not address directly, a complaint filed last month by Dr. Lee against Yale University. For background, here is part of a Tuesday, March 23 story in The Yale Daily News which you can read here: https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2021/03/23/former-professor-says-yale-fired-her-over-tweet-on-trump-dershowitz/ “Bandy Lee MED '94 DIV '95, a formerly Yale-affiliated faculty member in the Department of Psychiatry in School of Medicine, filed a complaint against the University on Monday alleging 'unlawful termination… due to her exercise of free speech about the dangers of Donald Trump's presidency.' University spokesperson Karen Peart declined to comment on the specifics of the case. Yale was the only named defendant. Lee's complaint alleges that Yale fired her in response to a January 2020 tweet that characterized 'just about all' of former president Donald Trump's supporters as suffering from “shared psychosis” and said that Alan Dershowitz, a lawyer on Trump's legal team, had 'wholly taken on Trump's symptoms by contagion.' Dershowitz responded to the tweet with a letter to Yale administrators, in which he complained that Lee's tweet constituted 'a serious violation of the ethics rules of the American Psychiatric Association” and requested that she be disciplined. The legal action listed five causes, including breach of contract, breach of good faith and wrongful termination.” The book by Alan Dershowitz I mention during this portion of the episode is titled, “Cancel Culture: The Latest Attack on Free Speech and Due Process,” and was published Nov. 17, 2020. And the Netflix documentary featuring Dershowtiz that I also mentioned is titled, “Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich” and is available on Netflix. Join The Rob Burgess Show mailing list! Go to tinyletter.com/therobburgessshow and type in your email address. Then, respond to the automatic message. Also please make sure to comment, follow, like, subscribe, share, rate and review everywhere the podcast is available, including iTunes, YouTube, SoundCloud, Stitcher, Google Play Music, Twitter, Internet Archive, TuneIn, RSS, and, now, Spotify. The official website for the podcast is www.therobburgessshow.com. You can find more about me by visiting my website, www.thisburgess.com.

Sam Goldman interviews Dr. Bandy Lee, M.D., M.Div., a forensic psychiatrist, violence expert, and faculty member of Yale School of Medicine for 17 years who also taught at Yale Law School for 15 years. She was a research fellow at the National Institute of Mental Health, a consultant with the World Health Organization since 2002, and author of the textbook, Violence (2019). She edited The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President (2017 and 2019) and authored Profile of a Nation: Trump's Mind, America's Soul (2020). She is also president of the World Mental Health Coalition (worldmhc.org), which is a professional organization dedicated to the betterment of societal mental health and is forming a Truth and Reconciliation Commission to examine what happened over the Trump years and how the nation can heal from it. You can follow her work at bandylee.com and @BandyXLee1. Read and share the statement from the editorial board of RefuseFascism.org on the second Senate acquittal of Trump. Send your comments to samanthagoldman@refusefascism.org or @SamBGoldman. Connect with the movement at RefuseFascism.org and support: Venmo: @Refuse-Fascism Cashapp: @RefuseFascism paypal.me/refusefascism donate.refusefascism.org Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/refuse-fascism/message

Join Kristin for an incredible show with Dr. Bandy Lee, speaking today about the process she and many other prominent psychiatrists undertook from an apolitical look at the mental health of Donald Trump. We ask the question, "What does a nation do when the leader of their country displays behavior that deems them unfit and unsafe for office?"Dr. Bandy Lee discusses her most well-known book, "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President" and here today to introduce us to her new book, "Profile of a Nation: Trump’s Mind, America’s Soul."Dr. Bandy Lee is a medical doctor, a forensic psychiatrist, and a world expert on violence. She became known to the public by leading a group of mental health professional colleagues in breaking the silence about the current U.S. president’s dangerous mental impairments. She is currently president of the World Mental Health Coalition, which is dedicated to promoting public health and safety.During medical school, she also obtained a divinity degree to expand her understanding of the human condition. Trained at Yale and Harvard Universities, she was chief resident at Massachusetts General Hospital and a research fellow at the National Institute of Mental Health. As a faculty member of the Law and Psychiatry Division at Yale School of Medicine for 17 years, she taught at Yale Law School for 15 of those years, covering the mental health aspects of asylum law, criminal justice, and veterans’ legal services. Her clinical work consists of psychiatric services at maximum-security prisons and in state hospitals, in addition to working as an expert witness for the state and federal courts. Currently, she holds medical licenses in four states.She served as Director of Research for the Center for the Study of Violence (Harvard, U. Penn., N.Y.U., and Yale), co-founded Yale’s Violence and Health Study Group at the MacMillan Center for International Studies, and has led an academic collaborators project for the World Health Organization’s Violence Prevention Alliance, helping to translate scholarship into implementation and to support research in low- and middle-income countries. She has consulted with governments on prison reform and community violence prevention, such as for France, Ireland, Alabama, California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York. She has also played a key role in initiating reforms at Rikers Island, a correctional facility in New York City known for extreme levels of violence.She created a popular Global Health Studies course at Yale College, “Violence: Causes and Cures,” which led to the most comprehensive textbook on the subject to date, “Violence: An Interdisciplinary Approach to Causes, Consequences, and Cures” (Wiley-Blackwell, 2019). She published over 100 peer-reviewed articles and chapters, 15 edited scholarly books and journal special issues, over 200 op-eds in outlets such as the Guardian, the New York Times, the Boston Globe, the Independent, and Politico, and the New York Times bestseller, “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President” (Macmillan, 2017 and 2019). The last proceeded from an ethics conference at Yale School of Medicine, which led her to consulting with over 50 members of the U.S. Congress.The World Mental Health Coalition is a professional organization that assembles mental health experts to collaborate with other disciplines for the betterment of public mental health. It also attempts to step in where the American Psychiatric Association has failed in societal leadership. Her current goals center around educating the public on mental health matters that have national and international consequence, so that it can be empowered to protect itself.She owes a great debt to her maternal grandfather, Dr. Geun-Young Lee, a renowned physician who helped inspire many in reconstructing South Korean society after the war, and to her mother, who continued to practice his philosophy in her beloved United States.https://bandylee.com/https://worldmhc.org/

“This might be the last chance we have at saving our democracy.” ~Jennifer Contarino  This year, the personal is political. In service to your emotional wellbeing and the health of our democracy, my guest Jennifer Conterino, Psy.D and I are going there. Yup, we’re exposing the damaging effects that an egregiously dangerous personality has had on our collective psyche not to mention the will of a nation in desperate need of healing.  From years of petulant tweets to his most recent and most odious debate appearance, Trump anxiety disorder is real, y’all! Jennifer would know; she wrote a chapter on the subject for The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President.  Diagnosing the president is, of course, irresponsible as neither of us is his therapist. But diagnosis for our purposes is irrelevant. We’re more concerned with how you’re doing. It’s no coincidence that being governed by this leader is akin to growing up under a narcissistic parent. Both scenarios leave their victims feeling unmoored and unsafe at best. At worst, these complex traumas repeat themselves, often manifesting as an inability to show outward empathy or inward compassion.  With the current administration’s survival strategies literally killing BIPOC and conditioning white folks to stay forever silent, is 2020 the wake-up call our country needs? Examining the motivation behind a dangerous huckster’s rise to power is one step toward reasserting our agency. Asking ourselves how we want to show up in service to democracy is another.    GUEST BIO:  Jennifer Contarino, PsyD has been a Licensed Clinical Psychologist since 2004 and is the President of Mindful Psychology Associates, a group therapy practice in Evanston, IL. She is the author of the essay "Trump Anxiety Disorder" in the 2017 New York Times best selling book The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Mental Health Experts Assess a President. In addition to her clinical work and managing her practice, she writes, speaks, and presents about psychological topics such as sociopolitical stress and anxiety, coping with uncertainty, and emotional intelligence skills. Here are some ways you can get involved and take action NOW: Register to Vote Swing Left Chicago - Swing Left helps you find the most impactful things you can do to help Democrats win the most important elections.  Vote Forward - Participate in letter writing, encouraging US citizens to vote. WisDems - Wisconsin Democratic organization committed to protecting the integrity of elections in this critical state.  Ohio Democratic Party - Find ways to volunteer in this critical state.  For full show notes, guest information, and resources, visit: http://www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast *** Conversations with a Wounded Healer is a proud member of @mhnrnetwork. Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places... Website: www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WoundedHealr/ https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartTherapy/ Instagram: @headhearttherapy Twitter: @WoundedHealr @HeadHeart_Chi

Episode 161-Bandy X. Lee, M.D., M.Div. Dan Sterenchuk and Tommy Estlund are honored to have as our guest, Bandy X. Lee, M.D., M.Div. Dr. Lee is a forensic psychiatrist at Yale School of Medicine. She is President of the World Mental Health Coalition. She served as Director of Research for the Center for the Study of Violence and co-founded Yale's Violence and Health Study Group, a member of the World Health Organization Violence Prevention Alliance. Lee has consulted with governments on prison reform, including of New York City's Rikers Island Correctional Center. She has published numerous scholarly articles and academic books, and has authored the textbook Violence (Wiley-Blackwell, 2019). The ethics conference she convened in April 2017 led to The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President (Macmillan, 2017 and 2019). https://bandylee.com https://twitter.com/BandyXLee1 https://worldmhc.org/ Note: Guests create their own bio description for each episode. The Curiosity Hour Podcast is hosted and produced by Dan Sterenchuk and Tommy Estlund. Please visit our website for more information: thecuriosityhourpodcast.com The Curiosity Hour Podcast is listener supported! To donate, click here: thecuriosityhourpodcast.com/donate/ Please visit this page for information where you can listen to our podcast: thecuriosityhourpodcast.com/listen/ Disclaimers: The Curiosity Hour Podcast may contain content not suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion advised. The views and opinions expressed by the guests on this podcast are solely those of the guest(s). These views and opinions do not necessarily represent those of The Curiosity Hour Podcast. This podcast may contain explicit language. The Public Service Announcement near the beginning of the episode solely represents the views of Tommy and Dan and not our guests or our listeners.

Ted Wheeler, the mayor of Portland, and Joe Biden have both challenged Trump to condemn violence by all sides. But is Trump instead trying to start a civil war by taking lessons from past strongman regimes like the Nazis?Thom is joined by Alexander Reed-Ross, a doctoral fellow at the Center for the Analysis of the Radical Right. To what extent are police supportive of, or even infiltrated by racist right-wing Trump supporters? And Thom welcomes Dr. Bandy Lee, Yale professor and editor of the book 'The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess the President'. How does Donald's diagnosis predict how he will respond to events as the election gets closer?Plus, Thom's third brilliant guest today is Jean Guerrero, investigative reporter and author of "HATEMONGER: Stephen Miller, Donald Trump and the White Nationalist Agenda".

This is the the third in our series on The Dangerous Case Of Donald Trump. Produced in association with the authors of the New York Times bestseller, The Dangerous Case Of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. Today we explore the mental and emotional deficits that render Trump impaired and unfit for the presidency. And try to answer the question, Why is it that Donald Trump, who thinks only about himself, cannot make the decisions on the pandemic that would save lives and save his election prospects? And finally, what can we expect before and AFTER the November election.Joining the podcast are eight distinguished psychiatrists and psychologists, all contributors to The Dangerous Case Of Donald Trump. They are, in order of appearance:Dr. James Gilligan who was on the faculty of the Harvard Medical School and was for 13 years the director of the Harvard Institute of Law and Psychiatry.Harper West, a psychotherapist.Harvard Psychiatrist, Dr. Henry FriedmanPsychiatrist, Dr. Judith Herman is on the Faculty of the Harvard Medical School and is one of the most renowned psychiatrists in America. Psychiatrist, Dr.Prudence Gourguechon, past President Of The American Psychoanalytic Association. Stanford University professor emeritus, Dr. Philip Zimbardo. Clinical Psychologist, Dr. Stephen Soldz.Clinical psychologist, Dr. Jennifer Panning. Today's Bill Press Pod is sponsored by The American Federation of Teachers. Our teachers know best what we should be doing on opening schools. To see their plan to re-open schools safely, go to AFT.org.

"The Goldwater Rule" has been used by the American Psychiatric Association (APA) to convince mainstream media to suppress the expertise of psychiatrists on Donald Trump's mental state. Bill talks to two psychiatrists who explain the origins of the"Rule, " and how they had tried to modify it in the face of the dangers Trump posed. Now, they say, their expertise is no longer welcome in the mainstream media. Bill's guests are Dr. Bandy Lee, a psychiatrist on the faculty of the Yale Medical School and the Editor of The New York Times bestseller, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. Also joining Bill is Dr. Leonard Glass, is associate professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.Today's Bill Press Pod is sponsored by The United Food and Commercial Workers Union. On the frontlines during the pandemic in our grocery stores, pharmacies and food processing plants. More Information at UFCW.ORG.

Dr. Mary Trump's Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World's Most Dangerous Man, is a runaway bestseller and a crucial window into the dangerous mental life of the most powerful man in world. We decided to gather three mental health professionals to read the book and compare it to their own work in their bestseller from 2017, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump, 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. Bill is joined by Dr. Bandy Lee, Assistant Clinical Professor at the Yale school of Medicine and Editor of The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump, Dr. Ellyn Kaschak, Professor Emerita of Psychology at San Jose State University and Dr. Edwin Fisher,m Clinical Psychologist and Professor at the Gillings School of Public Health at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. Today's Bill Press Pod is sponsored by The Laborers International Union of North America. More information at LIUNA.org

Dr. John Gartner is a psychologist, psychoanalyst, and former professor at the Johns Hopkins University Medical School. Dr. Gartner is also the founder of the Duty to Warn PAC, an organization working to raise awareness about the danger to the United States and the world posed by Donald Trump. He is a contributor to the 2017 bestseller "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. Dr. Gartner is also featured in the upcoming documentary “Unfit: The Psychology of Donald Trump”. Dr. Gartner warns that Donald Trump is actively using the pandemic as a type of biological weapon against the American people. Dr. Gartner also explains that Donald Trump’s supporters are members of a political death cult where not wearing a mask is an act of loyalty to and love for their personal savior and Great Leader. WHERE CAN YOU FIND ME? On Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaunceydevega On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chauncey.devega My email: chaunceydevega@gmail.com Leave a voicemail for The Truth Report: (262) 864-0154 HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE TRUTH REPORT? Patreon at https://www.patreon.com/TheTruthReportPodcast Via Paypal at ChaunceyDeVega.com Music at the end of this week's episode of The Truth Report is by JC Brooks & the Uptown Sound. You can listen to some of their great music on Spotify. 

Psychiatrist Dr. David Reiss is the guest on this week's very special New Year's 2020 episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show which focuses on goal setting, making and keeping personal resolutions and promises, self-reflection, and forging our best way in life during these very challenging and perilous times. Dr. Reiss is a longtime friend of The Chauncey DeVega Show. He is a contributor to the bestselling book The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. His writing has also been featured by USA Today and other leading publications. Dr. Reiss and Chauncey reflect on 2019 and how the Age of Trump has impacted so many people's ability to be emotionally healthy and productive in their lives. Dr. Reiss also shares how setting life goals and decision-making is made more difficult -- and what to do about it -- when individuals are subjected to the type of stress and uncertainty which the evil that is Trumpism has inflicted on an entire country. Chauncey and Dr. Reiss also discuss the great new film Uncut Gems and its depiction of degenerate gamblers and their ups and downs. ****If you learn from and enjoy The Chauncey DeVega Show please show some love by making a donation during the December fundraiser via the Paypal link at ChaunceyDeVega.com or through Patreon. We are 85 percent to the goal and your help in reaching it would be so appreciated.**** And at the end of this week's very special New Year's 2020 episode of the podcast, Chauncey reviews the year 2019 and the promises he made to himself regarding the show and his other work. WHERE CAN YOU FIND ME? On Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaunceydevega On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chauncey.devega My email: chaunceydevega@gmail.com Leave a voicemail for The Chauncey DeVega Show: (262) 864-0154 HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE CHAUNCEY DEVEGA SHOW? Via Paypal at ChaunceyDeVega.com Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thechaunceydevegashow Please subscribe to and follow my new podcast The Truth Report https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-truth-report-with-chauncey-devega/id1465522298 http://thetruthreportwithchaunceydevega.libsyn.com/ Music at the end of this week's episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show is by JC Brooks & the Uptown Sound. You can listen to some of their great music on Spotify.   

Dr. John Gartner is a psychologist, psychoanalyst and former professor at the Johns Hopkins University Medical School. Gartner is also the founder of the Duty to Warn PAC, an organization working to raise awareness about the danger to the United States and the world posed by Donald Trump. Gartner was a contributor to the 2017 bestseller "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President." Along with two other mental health professionals, he wrote the recent USA Today op-ed proclaiming that "Trump's rash Syria move looked like a 'hypomanic episode.'" Dr. Gartner explains how Trump’s mental state and the likelihood of impeachment will force the president to act out in even more dangerous and unpredictable ways. Gartner also details how Trump’s malignant narcissism manifests itself through sadistic pleasure, which may even be sexual in nature. And Dr. Gartner ponders what will happen to Trump’s followers and their “fascist fever” when Trump is eventually no longer president of the United States. WHERE CAN YOU FIND ME? On Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaunceydevega On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chauncey.devega My email: chaunceydevega@gmail.com Leave a voicemail for The Truth Report: (262) 864-0154 HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE TRUTH REPORT? Via Paypal at ChaunceyDeVega.com Music at the end of this week's episode of The Truth Report is by JC Brooks & the Uptown Sound. You can listen to some of their great music on Spotify. 

Man konnte früher – besonders als Bewohner der Stadt New York – über die überspannte Eigenliebe eines Typen wie Donald Trump leicht hinwegsehen. Auch wenn er seinen Namen an jedes Gebäude heftete, mit dem er etwas zu tun hatte. Das funktioniert nicht mehr, seit er mit derselben ausgewachsenen, und nach Expertenmeinung krankhaften psychischen Störung das Schicksal eines ganzen Landes bestimmt. Das Problem ist nicht auf ihn beschränkt. "Trumpism", also jener Kult, den er mit dem Wechsel in die Politik angeschoben hat, dient er als Identifikationsfigur einer anonymen, geistig stumpfen und reaktionären Masse, die ihre eigene gesellschaftliche Psychose auslebt. Wie das zusammenhängt, wie Narzissmus Tyrannei heraufdämmern lässt und ermöglicht, das hat uns die Psychologin Elizabeth Mika erklärt, die auf Twitter als "Aunt Emma" einem größeren Publikum ihre warnenden Gedanken mitteilt. Sie gehört zum Kreis jener Fachleute, die mit dem Buch "Wie gefährlich ist Donald Trump? 27 Stellungnahmen aus Psychiatrie und Psychologie" vor zwei Jahren ein Tabu ihres Berufsstands durchbrachen und Trump aus der Ferne diagnostizierten. Das Buch wurde in den USA im Frühjahr aktualisiert. Und der Titel dem angewachsenen Stand der Dinge angepasst: "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President - Updated and Expanded with New Essays".

How did we get here? How did enough of the people making the decision that an oft bankrupted and divorced non-politician should be the leader of the free world? “Shrinking Trump” invites Dr. Bandy Lee, from Yale, to share insights into Donald Trump’s behavior.    Lee, age 49, agrees that the media, as a whole, could do a better job of covering Trump, and they would be aided by recognizing that Trump’s thinking patterns are affected by his pathology.    She grew up in NY, Trump appeared on her radar decades ago, and she admits she saw him as a “shady” character. But she realizes more so when she saw him at his rallies, interacting with rooters, that his persona came off as more odious.    The doctor shares that she more fully realized after he was elected that his stint in the White House could, in fact, result in the country being rendered a more “dangerous” place than it had been. And does she herself feel, as many persons do, to a degree de-stabilized by Trump’s conduct and behavior in that office? Lee says she knows the importance of guarding her own mental health because being in proximity to aberrance can warp even well-meaning people. “There is a part of me that wonders how did our nation get to this, but there’s another part of me that has seen it coming;  for a long time, for a couple of decades at least I’ve been worried about the worsening of our collective mental health,” Lee says.    Indeed, it isn’t as though Trump and only Trump has flipped a switch and poisoned so many of the masses, and had them excusing and indeed condoning actions that would have been seen as being grounds for swift impeachment and removal if they were perpetrated by someone on the “other team.” We didn't get here overnight, it has been a long journey off course.   So, what about Trump? What is his diagnosis…or can we conclude roughly, with no degree of specificity, that Trump suffers from some sort of mental disorder? The Goldwater rule as set forth by the American Psychiatric Association states that it is unethical for psychiatrists to give a professional opinion about public figures they haven’t examined in person, so Lee, who notes that her views are her own,  wouldn't be inclined to tell podcast listeners what if anything Trump is certainly suffering from.    Of course, speculation has been rampant. Is he a "malignant narcissist?" Is he a "sociopath?" Lee says that regular folks should seek to educate themselves about all the possible or likely conditions that Trump, were he to be examined thoroughly by a non-biased practitioner, maybe suffers from.    Lee, editor of the book "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrist and Mental Health Experts Assess a President,"  says that diagnosing Trump is not as important as many think. Disordered people, quote-unquote, have proven to be rock-solid leaders. The current President has shown sides of "several disorders," she states, and those include his penchant for "verbal violence" and his "endorsement of violence," rhetorically and in his policy moves. Lacking empathy, his constant need to burnish his power, there are plentiful reasons to have Lee worry about his fitness for the office. "He doesn't seem able to consider consequence," she tells us, and these "are impairments in his mental capacity," Lee speaks on seeing a cognitive decline in Trump and offers a laundry list of his verbal slips.    Those not finding Trump appealing are often bewildered as to why their loved ones see the same things they do, or at least have access to that information, and don't hop off the Trump bandwagon. Lee is asked for methods for the bewildered to be able to handle the new reality of de-stabilization, and seeing loved ones, for instance,  embrace an administration that has a track record of separating babies from their parents after the family has crossed into the US to gain asylum. The Yale physician shares that upbringing can affect development, and if attachments are not secured, and an atmosphere of love isn't present, then those in that milieu can grow up into being powerful leaders...and the leadership supplied by people lacking empathy can result in atrocious conditions. "It is a concerning situation, how to deal with it," and citizens would be better served by less reportage of the day to day soap operatics and more so to underlying issues of mental health, of how society collectively is dealing, or not effectively dealing with being in the wake of a leader who revels in division, in her mind.  "We are more stressed in World War II, the Cuban Missile Crisis and September 11," she says, citing a study.    We end on a quest for a positive note. Lee says that she is fulfilling a professional responsibility in seeking to clarify for the regular Joes and Janes how we the people can combat "shared psychosis." She says that "the return to normalcy, the return to health" will be mightily impressive when it is widely recognized that we can change this momentum of instability and intra-familial clashing.

Dr. Bandy Lee is a forensic psychiatrist and a leading expert on violence at the Yale School of Medicine. She is also the editor of the New York Times bestseller, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. Dr. Lee and other leading mental health professionals working in conjunction with the World Mental Health Organization, convened an online town hall meeting in anticipation of Mueller's congressional testimony. During that meeting they shared five questions which they believe that Mueller should be asked regarding Trump's mental health and by implication his ability to properly serve as president.  Dr. Lee explains how Donald Trump's behavior, both in public and private, is continuing to spiral out of control. Why are Donald Trump, his regime and their supporters so sadistic and cruel against nonwhite migrants and refugees? And why have most Americans either surrendered to Trump and his regime's sadism or in the worst cases even decided to support it? You can listen to this episode of The Truth Report with guest Dr. Bandy Lee at the links below: http://thetruthreportwithchaunceydevega.libsyn.com/ep-16-dr-bandy-lee-warns-that-donald-trump-is-emotionally-empty-inside-and-spiraling-even-more-out-of-control https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-16-dr-bandy-lee-warns-that-donald-trump-is-emotionally/id1465522298?i=1000445184136 WHERE CAN YOU FIND ME? On Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaunceydevega On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chauncey.devega My email: chaunceydevega@gmail.com Leave a voicemail for The Truth Report: (262) 864-0154 HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE TRUTH REPORT? Via Paypal at ChaunceyDeVega.com Music at the end of this week's episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show is by JC Brooks & the Uptown Sound. You can listen to some of their great music on Spotify.  

Dr. Bandy Lee is a forensic psychiatrist and a leading expert on violence at the Yale School of Medicine. She is also the editor of the New York Times bestseller, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. Dr. Lee and other leading mental health professionals working in conjunction with the World Mental Health Organization, convened an online town hall meeting in anticipation of Mueller's congressional testimony. During that meeting they shared five questions which they believe that Mueller should be asked regarding Trump's mental health and by implication his ability to properly serve as president.  Dr. Lee explains how Donald Trump's behavior, both in public and private, is continuing to spiral out of control. Why are Donald Trump, his regime and their supporters so sadistic and cruel against nonwhite migrants and refugees? And why have most Americans either surrendered to Trump and his regime's sadism or in the worst cases even decided to support it? WHERE CAN YOU FIND ME? On Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaunceydevega On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chauncey.devega My email: chaunceydevega@gmail.com Leave a voicemail for The Truth Report with Chauncey DeVega: (262) 864-0154 Subscribe to The Truth Report with Chauncey DeVega at Itunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-truth-report-with-chauncey-devega/id1465522298 HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE TRUTH REPORT? Via Paypal at ChaunceyDeVega.com Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thechaunceydevegashow  Music at the end of this week's episode of The Truth Report is by JC Brooks & the Uptown Sound. You can listen to some of their great music on Spotify. 

There are two guests on this week's episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show. Michael Wolff is the author of the bestselling book Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House. His new book is Siege: Trump Under Fire.  He explains the real reason why Special Counsel Robert Mueller decided to not indict Donald Trump for obstruction of justice. And will Donald Trump leave the White House if defeated in 2020?  Dr. John Gartner is a contributor to the 2017 bestselling book The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. He explains how Donald Trump and his supporters are tied together by collective mental illness. Dr. Gartner also warns that there will be violence if Donald Trump is removed from office by impeachment or the 2020 presidential election. ****If you learn from and enjoy The Chauncey DeVega Show and great conversations such as this week's episode with Michael Wolff and John Gartner please show some love by making a donation during the June fundraiser via the Paypal link at ChaunceyDeVega.com or through Patreon. I do not run commercials or advertisements here on The Chauncey DeVega Show despite having received many offers to do so. Instead The Chauncey DeVega Show relies upon your generosity and kindness during its two fundraisers each year. Your generosity and goodness allows the show to continue, stay commercial-free, and grow.**** On this week's show Chauncey DeVega shares some plain facts about Trump's reign of terror against nonwhite immigrants, refugees, and migrants. Chauncey also shares some legal advice for those nonwhite immigrants, migrants, refugees and their families, friends, and neighbors who are going targeted by nationwide raids conducted by Trump's ICE goon enforcers. SELECTED LINKS OF INTEREST FOR THIS EPISODE OF THE CHAUNCEY DEVEGA SHOW   Inside a Texas Building Where the Government Is Holding Immigrant Children Attorneys: Texas border facility is neglecting migrant kids Justice Department Argues Against Providing Soap, Toothbrushes, Beds To Detained Kids No Rights Which the White Man Is Bound to Respect Know Your Rights! The Unimaginable Reality of American Concentration Camps 'ICE Is Everywhere': Using Library Science to Map the Separation Crisis   Documents Reveal ICE Using Driver Location Data From Local Police for Deportations Editors' Choice: Torn Apart / Separados Use this searchable database to find Trump's concentration camps and other ICE Border Patrol facilities They Thought They Were Free The Germans, 1933-45 by Milton Mayer President Trump announces delay of mass immigration raids that were to start Sunday IF YOU ENJOYED THIS WEEK'S SHOW YOU MAY LIKE THESE EPISODES OF THE CHAUNCEY DEVEGA SHOW AS WELL Ep. 241: Jared Diamond on His New Book "Upheaval' and How Countries Choose to Succeed or Fail Ep. 240.5: Introducing The Truth Report with Chauncey DeVega: Dr. Bandy Lee on How the Mueller Report Shows That Donald Trump is Mentally Unfit and Should Have His Presidential Powers Taken Away Ep. 218: What Type of a White Person Do You Want to Be? Ep. 199: Yes, We Should be Comparing Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler Ep. 101: Nicholas Stargardt on the Holocaust, Trauma, and Children WHERE CAN YOU FIND ME? On Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaunceydevega On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chauncey.devega My email: chaunceydevega@gmail.com Leave a voicemail for The Chauncey DeVega Show: (262) 864-0154 HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE CHAUNCEY DEVEGA SHOW? Via Paypal at ChaunceyDeVega.com Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thechaunceydevegashow  Music at the end of this week's episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show is by JC Brooks & the Uptown Sound. You can listen to some of their great music on Spotify. 

Dr. John Gartner is a former professor of psychiatry at the Johns Hopkins University Medical School. Gartner is also the founder of the Duty to Warn PAC, an organization working to raise awareness about the danger to the United States and the world posed by Donald Trump. He was a contributor to the 2017 bestselling book The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. Gartner along with two other expert mental health professionals, is the author of the recent and widely-read USA Today op-ed "President Donald Trump's poor mental health is grounds for impeachment". Dr. Gartner explains why there is no mass resistance to Donald Trump's movement and his assault on American democracy and freedom. He also answers the following questions. Why have so many Americans chosen to surrender? How can psychology help to explain Donald Trump and his movement's assault on reality and why so many Americans have been seduced by this malignant reality? How has the Mueller Report empowered Donald Trump and fueled his apparent public mental illness and other dangerous behavior? What must be done to force Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party to impeach Donald Trump? Will there be violence from Trump's supporters if he is forced to leave office?  If you enjoy The Truth Report be sure to also listen to my other podcast The Chauncey DeVega Show where in addition to these great conversations and interviews you will also hear my commentary and analysis of the week's events. WHERE CAN YOU FIND ME? On Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaunceydevega On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chauncey.devega My email: chaunceydevega@gmail.com Leave a voicemail for The Truth Report: (262) 864-0154 HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE TRUTH REPORT? Via Paypal at ChaunceyDeVega.com

The Truth Report with Chauncey DeVega is my new podcast. It is a companion to The Chauncey DeVega Show. The Truth Report will feature many of the same great conversations on a weekly (or twice weekly) basis as The Chauncey DeVega Show. But The Truth Report is more "traditional" and will not feature my extended analyses of the week's events and other commentary. You can find The Truth Report with Chauncey DeVega at Apple Podcasts, Itunes, and the other places you download your other favorite podcasts. Please subscribe to and share The Truth Report with Chauncey DeVega with your friends, family and other people who you think will learn from and enjoy it. http://thetruthreportwithchaunceydevega.libsyn.com/ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-truth-report-with-chauncey-devega/id1465522298 Dr. Bandy Lee is a forensic psychiatrist and a leading expert on violence at the Yale School of Medicine. She is also the editor of the New York Times bestseller, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. In response to the Mueller report Dr. Lee convened a panel consisting of some of the country's and world's leading mental health experts. Acting in the interest of public health and safety their goal was to determine Donald Trump's mental fitness based on the information contained in the near-exhaustive and comprehensive Mueller report. Their conclusion: Trump is mentally unfit, a threat to the United States and the world, and as such should have his powers severely restricted. And it is fundraising month to support The Chauncey DeVega Show and now The Truth Report. I do not advertise on The Chauncey DeVega Show. Both of these podcasts take a great amount of time to produce each week. If you would like to help The Chauncey DeVega Show stay afloat and grow--and to nurture The Truth Report--please show some love via Paypal at chaunceydevega.com or subscribe via Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/thechaunceydevegashow If you enjoyed The Truth Report be sure to also listen to my other podcast The Chauncey DeVega Show where in addition to these great conversations and interviews you will also hear my commentary and analysis of the week's events. https://thechaunceydevegashow.libsyn.com/ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-chauncey-devega-show/id1018954215 WHERE CAN YOU FIND ME? On Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaunceydevega On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chauncey.devega My email: chaunceydevega@gmail.com Leave a voicemail for The Truth Report: (262) 864-0154 HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE TRUTH REPORT? Via Paypal at ChaunceyDeVega.com Music at the end of this week's episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show is by JC Brooks & the Uptown Sound. You can listen to some of their great music on Spotify. 

Dr. Bandy Lee is a forensic psychiatrist and a leading expert on violence at the Yale School of Medicine. She is also the editor of the New York Times bestseller, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. In response to the Mueller report Dr. Lee convened a panel consisting of some of the country's and world's leading mental health experts. Acting in the interest of public health and safety their goal was to determine Donald Trump's mental fitness based on the information contained in the near-exhaustive and comprehensive Mueller report. Their conclusion: Trump is mentally unfit, a threat to the United States and the world, and as such should have his powers severely restricted. If you enjoyed The Truth Report be sure to also listen to my other podcast The Chauncey DeVega Show where in addition to these great interviews and conversations you will also hear my commentary and analysis of the week's events. https://thechaunceydevegashow.libsyn.com/ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-chauncey-devega-show/id1018954215 WHERE CAN YOU FIND ME? On Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaunceydevega On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chauncey.devega My email: chaunceydevega@gmail.com Leave a voicemail for The Truth Report: (262) 864-0154 HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE TRUTH REPORT? Via Paypal at ChaunceyDeVega.com Music at the end of this week's episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show is by JC Brooks & the Uptown Sound. You can listen to some of their great music on Spotify.  

There are two guests on this week's episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show.  Bandy Lee is a professor at the Yale School of Medicine and one of the principle editors of the New York Times bestseller The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President.  She continues to warn the public about how Donald Trump's mental health is a threat to world peace, how his fake "national emergency" is an extension of his apparent mental illnesses, explains the knot of symbiotic pathology that ties him and his supporters together, and how sick societies produce sick leaders. David Neiwert also stops by the virtual bar and salon. He is an investigative journalist based in Seattle and a contributing writer for the Southern Poverty Law Center. He is the author of numerous books including the new Alt-America: The Rise of the Radical Right in the Age of Trump, The Eliminationists: How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right, Of Orcas and Men: What Killer Whales Can Teach Us, and Over the Cliff: How Obama's Election Drove the American Right Insane.  David highlights how America's police have been working with the so-called "alt-right" white supremacists and other hate mongers against Antifa and other freedom fighters, why right-wing militias are not up in arms--literally--against Donald Trump and his "national emergency", and how there will be more violence from Trump and his MAGAites.  On this week's show, Chauncey DeVega shares a story about how Trump's vile regime views nonwhite babies and children as being "disposable". How? By placing them in concentration camps located on toxic waste dumps.  Serendipity of the worst type: after Chauncey talked with David Neiwert we learned that a white supremacist neo Nazi who is an officer in the U.S. Coast Guard was planning to commit mass murder inspired by and as directed by his leader Donald Trump.  SELECTED LINKS OF INTEREST FOR THIS EPISODE OF THE CHAUNCEY DEVEGA SHOW  The Trump Administration Wants to Detain Migrant Kids at Toxic Waste Sites  Coast Guard Officer Accused of Racist Mass-Murder Plot, Kept ‘Hit List' of Democrats and MSNBC Hosts  Hate groups reach record high  MSNBC guest: FBI often calls white supremacist violence "hate crimes" instead of "terrorism," diverting resources from enforcement   Fox News has spent years promoting claims of a “coup” against Donald Trump IF YOU ENJOYED THIS WEEK'S SHOW YOU MAY LIKE THESE EPISODES OF THE CHAUNCEY DEVEGA SHOW AS WELL Ep. 205: Psychiatrist Bandy Lee Warns That Donald Trump is Delusional and Living in His Own Reality  Ep. 210: Donald Trump is Responsible for the Pittsburgh Synagogue Massacre and the "MAGA Bomber"  Ep. 178: Donald Trump is the Leader of a Political Cult  Ep. 173: Bandy Lee Continues to Warn the World About Donald Trump's Mental Health  Ep. 152: Lance Dodes Warns That Donald Trump is Sociopathic WHERE CAN YOU FIND ME? On Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaunceydevega On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chauncey.devega My email: chaunceydevega@gmail.com Leave a voicemail for The Chauncey DeVega Show: (262) 864-0154 HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE CHAUNCEY DEVEGA SHOW? Via Paypal at ChaunceyDeVega.com Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thechaunceydevegashow  Music at the end of this week's episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show is by JC Brooks & the Uptown Sound. You can listen to some of their great music on Spotify.

In today's #WiseGirl podcast, I have the privilege of interviewing psychiatrist Dr. Judith Herman, incest and trauma expert. During our wide-ranging interview, Dr. Herman discusses how she first came to studying incest and trauma (believing her patients), Freud and psychiatry's history regarding women and incest, statistics around childhood sexual abuse, the importance of (survivors) being and feeling safe, what justice would ideally look like from the survivor/victim's perspective, and more. What's more, we talk about individual and collective trauma, the #MeToo and #TimesUp, feminism, and the culture of silence and what bystanders -- especially men who want to be allies -- can do to help. Dr. Herman is the author of Father-Daughter Incest; Trauma and Recovery: The Aftermath of Violence--From Domestic Abuse to Political Terror; as well as her recent contribution to The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President, released in 2017. More on Dr. Herman's work can be found here https://www.challiance.org/cha-services/victims-of-violence Dr. Herman's books on group work with survivors, can be found here: https://www.guilford.com/author/Judith-Lewis-Herman *** Dr. Herman's partial bio, excerpted from Wikipedia, is here: Judith Lewis Herman (born 1942) is an American psychiatrist, researcher, teacher, and author who has focused on the understanding and treatment of incestand traumatic stress. Herman is Professor of clinical psychiatry at Harvard University Medical School and Director of Training at the Victims of Violence Program in the Department of Psychiatry at the Cambridge Health Alliance in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and a founding member of the Women's Mental Health Collective.

Bandy Lee is a professor at the Yale School of Medicine and one of the principle editors of the New York Times bestseller The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. On this week's show, Dr. Lee and Chauncey discuss how Donald Trump's mental health continues to worsen, how insiders from the White House reached out to her last year--well before the recent New York Times anonymous op-ed--with concerns and fears about the president, and how authoritarianism is a type of collective mental illness. Dr. Lee continues to sound the alarm about how Donald Trump is a very dangerous person, who because of his mental health issues, may start a nuclear war. And Dr. Lee explains how Trump and his followers are stuck in a relationship based upon collective narcissism--and how this shared pathology has led to violence--which will only continue to worsen. During this week's podcast Chauncey discusses Brett Kavanaugh and toxic white (predatory) masculinity and how such behavior is encouraged among elite white men in America. Chauncey also explains the role of classism in the excuses being made for elite white men like Brett Kavanaugh by Republicans, conservatives, and his other defenders. SELECTED LINKS OF INTEREST FOR THIS EPISODE OF THE CHAUNCEY DEVEGA SHOW  The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President by Dr. Bandy Lee Exclusive: Psychiatrist Bandy Lee says White House officials told her Trump was “unraveling” 5 reasons the anonymous New York Times op-ed drives Donald Trump so crazy Diagnosing Donald Trump, and His Voters President Trump Is Defending Kavanaugh the Same Way He Defended Himself and Other Men Mark Judge's Memoir About Brett Kavanaugh's High School Portrays a Culture of Aggression and Excessive Drinking A flag of underwear: Photo from Kavanaugh's time shows DKE hijinks Jason Miller, Former Trump Aide Leaves CNN After Ex Claims He Gave Woman ‘Abortion Pill' Minnesota lawmaker abandons campaign amid daughter's allegations of inappropriate conduct IF YOU ENJOYED THIS WEEK'S SHOW YOU MAY LIKE THESE EPISODES OF THE CHAUNCEY DEVEGA SHOW AS WELL Ep. 182: How Collective Narcissism Explains Donald Trump's Control Over His Followers Ep. 173: Bandy Lee Continues to Warn the World About Donald Trump's Mental Health Ep. 160: John Gartner Warns That Donald Trump is Mentally Ill/John Mueller's Indictments Ep. 152: Lance Dodes Warns That Donald Trump is Sociopathic Ep. 138: Bandy Lee Sounds the Alarm about Donald Trump's Mental Health WHERE CAN YOU FIND ME? On Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaunceydevega On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chauncey.devega My email: chaunceydevega@gmail.com Leave a voicemail for The Chauncey DeVega Show: (262) 864-0154 HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE CHAUNCEY DEVEGA SHOW? Via Paypal at ChaunceyDeVega.com Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thechaunceydevegashow 

Safiya Noble is the guest on this week's edition of The Chauncey DeVega Show. She is a professor at the University of Southern California (USC) Annenberg School of Communication and the author of the new book Algorithms of Oppression: How Search Engines Reinforce Racism. On this week's show, Safiya and Chauncey discuss how algorithms such as Google as well as "artificial intelligence" are actually making social inequality worse in America and around the world, the misplaced faith in such technologies, their threat to democracy, and why so many people use social media and other types of digital distractions to find meaning in their otherwise lonely and unfulfilled lives in an age of economic precarity. During this week's podcast Chauncey reflects on The New York Times op-ed from an anonymous Trump senior staff member and how psychiatrist Bandy Lee shared with him, first, how she was contacted last year about Trump's apparently failing mental health. Chauncey is also upset that MSNBC did not mention his name, again, and also blurred out his name when talking about Dr. Lee's conversation with people at the White House regarding Donald Trump's mental health. Dr. David Reiss, who is one of the contributors to the bestselling book The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump, also stops by the virtual bar and salon this week to explain why Donald Trump is so mentally unwell that he would likely not qualify to be a police officer--never mind having the authority to order the destruction of the world with nuclear weapons.  At the end of this week's podcast, Chauncey shares a warning from history--this time from a Holocaust survivor who also fought the Nazis in the Warsaw ghetto--about the perils America and the world are experiencing because of the rise of Trumpism and other right-wing authoritarian movements around the world. SELECTED LINKS OF INTEREST FOR THIS EPISODE OF THE CHAUNCEY DEVEGA SHOW  Algorithms of Oppression: How Search Engines Reinforce Racism by Safiya Noble  AI isn't a crystal ball but it might be a mirror  IBM used NYPD surveillance footage to develop technology that lets police search by skin color  Rise of the racist robots and how AI is learning our worst impulses  Eternal Emperor in His Own Mind: The Distorted Reality of Donald Trump  Trump's troubling behavior raises questions his medical exam didn't answer  The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President by Bandy Lee  Exclusive: Psychiatrist Bandy Lee says White House officials told her Trump was “unraveling” I survived the Warsaw ghetto. Here are the lessons I'd like to pass on  Here's How Industrialization and Individualism Led to a New Language of Loneliness IF YOU ENJOYED THIS WEEK'S SHOW YOU MAY LIKE THESE PREVIOUS EPISODES OF THE CHAUNCEY DEVEGA SHOW AS WELL Ep. 202: Tim Wise Explains How the Republican Party is a White Identity Cult Ep. 200-1: Black KkKlansman/Joe Feagin on Donald Trump, Racism, and Elite White Male Power Ep. 200-2: Joe Feagin on Liberal White Racism and "Colorblind" America Ep. 173: Bandy Lee Continues to Warn the World About Donald Trump's Mental Health Ep. 160: John Gartner Warns That Donald Trump is Mentally Ill/John Mueller's Indictments Ep. 76: David Theo Goldberg Meditates on the Global Color Line Ep. 53: Jessie Daniels on Cyber Racism, Modern Lynchings and Digital Literacy WHERE CAN YOU FIND ME? On Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaunceydevega On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chauncey.devega My email: chaunceydevega@gmail.com Leave a voicemail for The Chauncey DeVega Show: (262) 864-0154 HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE CHAUNCEY DEVEGA SHOW? Via Paypal at ChaunceyDeVega.com Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thechaunceydevegashow

Elizabeth Mika is the guest on this week's episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show. She is a psychotherapist and contributor to The New York Times bestselling book The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. On this week's podcast Mika and Chauncey discuss the danger to democracy and public safety embodied by Donald Trump and his followers, how collective narcissism is a type of social pathology that leads to violence and why millions of people are attracted to Trump's evil. Mika also sounds the alarm about the combustible relationship that exists between collective narcissism, racism, and authoritarianism in America under Donald Trump's regime.  In this week's episode, Chauncey calls out the absurdity that is Andrew Sullivan again channeling racist pseudo science in a much-discussed recent essay at New York magazine. Chauncey also ponders the power of negrophobia and its role in the street executions of Alton Sterling, Stephon Clark, and Danny Ray Thomas by America's police. Could it be that black people are monsters, possess super powers, and can stop bullets like "negro cocaine fiends?"  And Chauncey has a horrible secret to share....he watched Tyler Perry's new movie Acrimony and loved it.

President Donald Trump’s moods and temperament are a hot topic for journalists, lawmakers and academics. In fact, earlier this year, a psychiatrist from Yale University actually briefed Democratic lawmakers on president’s mental state, which she called “dangerous.” The analysis, by Dr. Bandy Lee and others, received criticism given that she and others haven’t actually examined President Trump. She joins the podcast this week to explain her position, which is described in her book, “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President.” Lee is an internationally recognized expert on violence. Trained in medicine and psychiatry at Yale and Harvard Universities, and in medical anthropology as a fellow of the National Institute of Mental Health, she is currently on the faculty of Yale School of Medicine’s Law and Psychiatry Division.

Bob talks with Dr. Bandy X. Lee, an assistant professor of law and psychiatry at the Yale School of Medicine, and editor of the book "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President."

The Chauncey DeVega Show is supported by its kind and good and generous listeners. There are no advertisements on the podcast. I have been offered that opportunity many times but have always said no. But twice a year, I put out the old begging bowl and ask the listeners--if they are able--to offer up a donation. The Paypal link can be found on the right-hand side of the screen at the website chaunceydevega.com Psychiatrist Bandy Lee is the guest on this week's special fundraising month episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show. She is a professor at the Yale School of Medicine and one of the principle editors of the New York Times bestseller "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President." This is the second time that Bandy Lee has appeared on the podcast. Lee and Chauncey discuss the predictions made in her book about the dangers posed by Donald Trump's mental health to the safety of the United States and the world, what she told Congress when she testified there several weeks ago as well the role of social pathology in electing Trump and the power he has over his followers. Bandy also explained what it was like to be a target of the right-wing mob because of her truth-telling about Donald Trump and what motivates her to be brave and to embrace the best of our humanity in a time of trouble and political darkness.  In this week's episode, Chauncey DeVega also speaks with reporter and opinion writer Tommy Christopher from the political news and commentary site Shareblue about Trump's hellish State of the Union speech. Chauncey also explains why the Nunes memo about Trump and his cabal being victims of the so-called "deep state" is a great distraction and ploy where the truth is ultimately irrelevant. And at the end of this week's special fundraising month installment of the podcast, Chauncey shares a fascinating story about orcas.

Ralph spends the whole hour with Dr. Bandy X. Lee, psychiatrist from the Yale School of Medicine and editor of “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President.” 

Bandy Lee is an editor and author for the book "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President". She talks about the president's mental health and why she thinks he is a danger to America.

Dr. Lance Dodes is the guest on this week's episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show. He is assistant clinical professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School (retired) and a psychoanalyst (Training and Supervising Analyst Emeritus at the Boston Psychoanalytic Society and Institute). Dr. Dodes is a signatory to a nationally discussed letter which was published in The New York Times which warned the public about the dangers posed by Donald Trump's mental health. He also has contributed a chapter on Donald Trump and sociopathy in the forthcoming book The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President.  During this episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show, Dr. Dodes and Chauncey discuss how clinicians have a "duty to warn" the American people (and the world) about Donald Trump's mental health problems. Dr. Dodes also clarifies the common misunderstandings surrounding the so-called "Goldwater Rule". And  Dr. Dodes shares his thoughts about how he believes that Donald Trump is a sociopath and a megalomaniac not unlike other tyrants which we have seen throughout human history. Writer and podcaster Alasdair Stuart also sits down at the virtual bar and salon to share his thoughts about the new Star Wars films and if they are in trouble because of a supposed "director problem". Stuart and Chauncey also select their own personal favorites to write and direct a Star Wars film and give an update on what is known about the plot and characters of Episode 8 and Episode 9 in the Star Wars Trilogies.  On this week's show, Chauncey DeVega ponders ethical questions about the horrible hurricanes striking Texas, Florida, and the Caribbean such as "would he give aid and assistance to Trump supporters in those areas?" In this week's episode Chauncey also shares some troubling news about how current American politics have inspired the new Star Trek series "Discovery". At this end of this week's episode, Chauncey also offers a personal reflection and promise in response to Ta-Nehisi Coates' new piece in The Atlantic about Donald Trump and whiteness.

This week's special episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show examines the white supremacist terrorism in Charlottesville, Virginia which took place last week. The first guest is Adele Stan. She is a journalist for The American Prospect. Her work has also appeared at Alternet. Adele was present in Charlottesville during the "Unite the Right" hate festival and shares her first person account of what transpired there. The second guest is "James" from the leading antifascist, anarchist, and human rights information clearing house and website "It's Going Down". James has been tracking the white supremacist and other fascist organizations who ran amok in Charlottesville. He explains their connections, funding, if the "Unite the Right" hate festival was a success, and the role of physical active resistance in standing against fascists and their allies. The third guest is Amanda Marcotte. She is a politics and culture writer for the online magazine Salon. Amanda shares her thoughts about resistance and non-violence in the aftermath of Charlottesville, as well as Trump's statements about white supremacist violence. The fourth guest is Tim Wise. He is one of the United States' leading anti-racism activists and scholars. Tim reflects on the role of white privilege in the white supremacist political violence and mayhem in Charlottesville, toxic white masculinity and the white supremacist movement, how last weekend's events were very predictable, and white folks' denial about the dangers posed by the so-called "alt-right". The fifth guest is Dr. David Reiss. He is a psychiatrist who has written extensively about Donald Trump. Dr. Reiss also a chapter in the forthcoming book The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President which attempts to assess Trump's mental health. Dr. Reiss offers his suggestions about maintaining one's sense of self and wellness in the aftermath of the terrorism in Charlottesville. He also provides some insights about the mental health of the white supremacists and other fascists who attended the "Unite the Right" hate festival and carnival of thugs. During this week's episode, Chauncey implores white Americans to clean up their own house and to finally confront the deep sickness of racism and white supremacy that ran amok in Charlottesville--as well as the broader problem that is Trump's cabal and political cult.