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Mi huesped en este episodio es Claude Guislain, un antropólogo peruano que pasa la mayor parte de su tiempo con pueblos indígenas en Perú, Colombia y Brasil. Con su primera investigación sobre el uso de la ayahuasca y el chamanismo por parte de los occidentales en Iquitos (2005-2007), inició el viaje que lo llevó a dedicar su vida a tender un puente entre la sabiduría indígena y el mundo moderno. A lo largo de más de quince años dedicados casi exclusivamente a apoyar tanto a curanderos indígenas como a pacientes y exploradores occidentales, ha estado al servicio de los procesos de curación de cientos de personas. Ha estado trabajando y formándose con los Shipibo desde 2013, ayudando a la familia López a construir su propio centro. Fue facilitador y asesor en relaciones indígenas en el Templo del Camino de la Luz (2015-2023). Trabaja y aprende con un mamo Arhuaco desde 2012, con un Jaguar del yurupari del Tubú desde 2016 y con el pueblo Yawanawa de Brasil desde 2018.Hoy es asesor y miembro del Comité Técnico del Fondo de Conservación de Medicinas Indígenas y colabora también con ICEERS, y otras organizaciones, inspirándolas y ayudándolas a tejer sus esfuerzos y dones con los procesos indígenas de base.Notas del Episodio* La historia y esperanza de Claude* La idealizacion de los pueblos indigenas* El renacimiento psicodelico* Curacion y cantos* Contradicciones en el turismo psicodelico* La deforestacion, la demanda y la continuidad del conocimiento* Conservacion biocultural* ICEERS & MSCTareaClaude Guislain - Facebook - InstagramIndigenous Medicine Conservation FundInternational Center for Ethnobotanical Education, Research and ServiceTranscripcion en Espanol (English Below)Chris: Bienvenido Claude, al podcast El Fin del Turismo.Claude: Chris. Muchas gracias.Chris: Me gustaría saber si podrías explicar un poco de dónde te encuentras hoy y cómo el mundo aparece para ti?Claude: Buena pregunta. Estoy, ahora mismo estoy en Rio de Janeiro, donde vivo. Soy peruano y también estudié antropología y dedico mucho mi tiempo a los pueblos indígenas, sobre todo en Brasil, en Colombia y en Perú y he estado trabajando en las Amazonas durante muchos años. Y como veo el mundo hoy, desde aquí, pues con mucha preocupación, evidentemente, pero también por lo que hago con alguna esperanza, Chris: Yeah y pues en esa cuestión de lo que haces y de lo que hemos hablado antes, parece que es un gran camino, un camino de ya [00:01:00] décadas y décadas. Y me gustaría, si podemos viendo un un poco más de ese camino. Podrías comentar un poco de cómo llegaste en este gran momento sea por tus viajes, a otros países, a otros mundos, a otros maestros y maestras. Claude: Sí, claro, a ver cómo te explico. Llevo unos 20 años trabajando con lo indigena en general, pero sobre todo con el tema de espiritualidad, plantas maestras como la ayahuasca y esas cosas, y llegue ahí como, creo que, como la mayoría de personas que hoy en día llegan ahí a la selva, o a buscar estas medicinas como se les llaman, que es una, una cierta o una profunda insatisfacción por nuestra propia cultura, por la respuesta que nuestra propia sociedad [00:02:00] nos puede dar existenciales, diría yo. Es como siempre hay una pregunta que uno se dice, "No tiene que haber algo más. No puede ser eso solamente." Esa propuesta, digamos de occidente, no puede ser solamente eso, debe haber algo más, verdad? Entonces eso me embarcó a mí en una búsqueda desde, no sé cuando tenía por ahí unos veinti, veinti y pocos años.Que me llevó a experimentar estas medicinas como la ayahuasca, el San Pedro, los hongos, no por una cosa lúdica, ni ni evasiva, sino por el contrario, con una curiosidad por otras formas de saber y conocer, . Entonces yo me acerqué a estas medicinas, con curiosidad de entender cómo los pueblos indígenas saben lo que saben. Cuál es el origen de su [00:03:00] conocimimomento verdad?Entonces, estudié antropología. Me alejé de la academia rápidamente porque, me pareció mucho más interesante lo que me enseñaban los abuelos que para la antropología eran mis informantes, verdad? Era como, tenía que a mi informante tal, el informante tal. Y me di cuenta que no, que no eran mis informantes, sino que eran maestros y aprendía mucho más con ellos que lo que me enseñaba los libros, o las clases, o los seminarios, verdad?Entonces decidí mas dedicarme a seguirlos a ellos y a seguir aprendiendo con ellos, y ver de qué manera los podía ayudar a ellos. Estos abuelos, estos sabios indígenas. Y eso me llevó a un camino maravilloso de que hoy en día le llamo "la gente puente," no? O sea, gente que estamos en ese lugar de interface, entre el conocimimomento, la sabiduría que nos queda de los pueblos [00:04:00] indígenas y el mundo occidental, el mundo moderno. Y en ese nuevo tipo de encuentro que está surgiendo hace una década o tal vez dos décadas. Es este nuevo tipo de encuentro de nuestros mundos, verdad? Que hasta hoy era, siempre había sido extremadamente problemático, sino asesino, verdad? La manera con nuestro mundo occidental se encontraba con los mundos indígenas era pues y destructor. Hoy en día nos encontramos en una manera diferente, en el que muchos jóvenes y adultos y gente del norte global llegan en busca de conocimiento, de sabiduría, de cura, de sanación, de alternativas, buscando respuestas que nuestra propia civilización no nos puede dar. Habiendo un hambre, una sed de sentido por algo mayor, pues mucha gente empieza a ir allá con otros ojos, con un [00:05:00] respeto que no creo que había existido antes. Y eso trae cosas positivas y cosas negativas, evidentemente.Parece ser que estamos mal. Hay una gran maldición, que, como todo lo que toca, occidente eventualmente se vuelve en un gran desastre. parece como un súper bonito, súper maravilloso, ilusorio, nos enamora, nos seduce, pero después al poco tiempo nos vamos dando cuenta de las de las terribles consecuencias que traemos, verdad?Pero algo, no sé, algo también está cambiando, algo está mudando. Hay como una cierta madurez de ambos lados, tanto de los del lado indígena como del lado no indígena para encontrarnos desde un lugar en donde podemos celebrar nuestras diferencias y entender que esas diferencias son material para la construcción de un tiempo nuevo, verdad?Entonces esa es la parte que traigo un poco de esperanza. Chris: Ya, qué bonito. Gracias, Claude . o sea, yo siento [00:06:00] mucho de la esperanza, pero también de la desesperación por alguien que ha visitado a varios pueblos indígenas en las Amazonas hace como 15 años de más ya, en ese tiempo esas medicinas fueron llegando poco a poco a la mentalidad colectiva del occidente. Y pues me ha ayudado un montón, no solo por cuestiones espirituales, pero también por reparar el daño que hice a mi cuerpo, por ejemplo, pero también metiendome en esos círculos, en las Amazonas, por ejemplo, pero también mi tierra nativa Toronto, Canadá y otras partes Oaxaca, México. hemos visto poco a poco la descuidado de la sabiduría indígena, las culturas indígenas, las medicinas, y más que nada, las contradicciones que [00:07:00] aparece dentro de el renacimiento" psicodélico. Entonces, ya tienes mucho tiempo en esos no solo respecto a la medicina, pero también en las culturas indígenas en las Amazonas. Me gustaría preguntarte que has visto allá en el sentido de contradicciones, sobre el turismo sobre la medicina, puede ser el lado del extranjero viniendo para sanarse, o igual los locales o indígenas aprovechando al momento.Claude: Contradicciones tienen todas las culturas, tienen contradicciones. Y la contradicción principal es entre lo que se dice, no? Lo que se profesa y lo que uno ve en la práctica no? Es como si tú vas a la iglesia y escuchas al pastor hablando de cómo debe ser un buen cristiano.Y después te paseas por yo que sé por Chicago o por ciudad de México, y ves lo que [00:08:00] son los cristianos y dices wow hay una enorme contradicción, verdad? Es terrible la contradicción Cuando hablamos de los pueblos indígenas y de los conocimientos, de los pueblos indígenas, la sabiduría indígena, parece ser que hablamos desde un lugar de idealización no?Y a mí no me gustaría, caer en eso de idealizar sino tratar de ser muy concreto. Una cosa es la realidad, que es realmente terrible. Vivimos en un momento que es la cúspide, es la continuación de un proceso de colonialismo, de exterminación que no fue algo que sucedió con la llegada de los españoles, y los portugueses y el tiempo de la conquista. Y no fue algo que pasó.Es algo que sigue pasando,. Es algo que [00:09:00] sigue pasando. Como decía el gran Aílton Krenak, un gran líder indígena de aquí de Brasil, y un intelectual, miembro de la academia brasilera de las letras, recientemente. Decía lo que ustedes no entienden es que su mundo sigue en guerra con nuestro mundo. El decía eso. Él lo dice, o sea, ustedes no entienden que el mundo occidental, el mundo moderno continúa en guerra y de, y haciendo todos los esfuerzos para que las culturas indígenas desaparezcan.O sea, en la práctica, eso es lo que estamos haciendo. Entonces, cuando yo hablo de esperanza, hablo porque hay algo que está surgiendo, que es nuevo, pero realmente es muy pequeño. Y como dices tú, cuando, o sea, la expansión de la ayahuasca, del San Pedro, de lo del peyote y de una cierto [00:10:00] respeto y un cierto entendimiento sobre la importancia de los conocimientos indígenas, todavia realmente e no entendemos eso, no entendemos. Y cuando hablamos desde el norte global, y lo que se llama esta el renacimiento psicodélico, cuando hablan de los pueblos indígenas, hay una idealización, sobre todo, es solamente parte de un discurso que es un poco "woke." Es un poco para hacer bonito tu discurso, pero en la práctica no se ve, no, no, no ocupa un lugar importante. Ya está diseñado el camino por donde va esta revolución psicodélica, es extraer los principios activos de las plantas, hacer medicamentos, de hacer una pastilla que va a ayudar a la gente a mantenerse en mejor forma dentro de la locura que propone occidente.Cómo le damos a la gente [00:11:00] herramientas para que se adapten y para que resistan, es el absurdo al que los estamos sometiendo, eso es realmente. O sea necesitamos ya drogas como "Brave New World", no como "soma". Te sientes deprimido? Tómate tus pastillas. Estás cuestionando mucho las cosas, tomate esto para que puedas seguir funcionando y operando y produciendo, verdad?Pero hay una cosa muy, muy clara para mí, es que aún no hemos logrado entender la magnitud de los conocimientos indígenas. Y digo conocimientos, y no creencias porque en general, cuando hablamos de los pueblos indígenas, lo que sabe un chamán, como le dicen, un curandero, o lo que hablan ellos alrededor de su espiritualidad, la gente piensa, "ah, son sus creencias." Y en el mejor de los casos, dice "ay qué bonito, hay [00:12:00] que respetarlo, hay que cuidar sus derechos, y tienen derechos culturales y tienen todo el derecho a creer en lo que creen." Pero cuando decimos creencias, también es una incomprensión porque de creencia tiene muy poco en realidad.Cuando uno estudia más, y cuando uno profundiza sobre lo que sabe hacer un curandero, un ayahuasquero, Shipibo, Ashaninka, Huni Kuin, Karipuna, Noke Koi Kofan, lo que ellos saben, no tiene nada que ver con las creencias. No tiene nada que ver con la adoración religiosa de ciertas deidades. Nada que ver. Estamos hablando de conocimiento profundamente práctico, verdad?Es una acumulación de conocimientos durante generaciones y generaciones por estudiosos de la selva, que se organiza este [00:13:00] conocimiento. Socialmente y además que se transmite con un método. Hay un método muy estricto, muy específico de transmisión de estos conocimientos y de estas maneras de conocer, entonces te acabo de dar una definición no de una religión. Te acabo de dar una definición de ciencia.Entonces, lo que no hemos llegado a entender hasta ahora es que lo poquito que ha sobrevivido hasta hoy de esos conocimientos se asemeja mucho más a una ciencia que a una religión. Es mucho más un conocimiento práctico que una creencia religiosa, verdad? Y en ese sentido, es de suma importancia. Y entonces, cuando tenemos más y más personas tienen esta experiencia, qué es lo que pasa?Mucha gente viene a la selva en Iquitos, he trabajado muchos años, durante años he sido como el centro principal donde he recibido mucha gente para [00:14:00] tomar ayahuasca y esas cosas, y viene gente a sanarse de cosas que en sus países, pues no, nadie los puede sanar de depresiones, de traumas, cosas físicas también, pero sobre todo cosas psicológicas, verdad? Y después vuelven y dice "oh, yo tomé ayahuasca y me curé." "Cómo te curaste?" "Ah, fui, tomé ayahuasca," pero nadie dice estuve tomando con un viejo que todas las noches me cantaba durante media hora. Y después venía en la mañana y me preguntaba cómo era mis sueños. Y después venía con otros remedios y me daba y me hacía unos baños. Y cuando me hacía esos baños me cantaba de nuevo. Y después me daba esto, y me daba esta medicina y me cantaba, y cuando él me cantaba, me hacía ver este tipo de... Nadie habla de eso. La gente dice "yo tomé ayahuasca y el ayahuasca me curó", pero el viejito que estaba cantando solamente parece un accesorio de un viejito cantando.Pero no es así.La mayoría de la gente dice, "Wow, cómo te curaste de eso? Qué pasó? Qué hiciste?"Ah ya tomé ayahuasca. El ayahuasca me curó." Verdad? Realmente yo he escuchado muy poca gente decir "el abuelito, la abuelita, me dio ayahuasca, pero me cantó durante horas, me dio baños, me preguntó mis sueños, adaptó todas las plantas y el tratamiento que iba haciendo según mis sueños, según lo que iba viendo. Cuando me cantaba, me guiaba para ver cosas, o no ver cosas." Parece ser que el abuelito que cantaba fuese un accesorio, decoración. Y no realmente, no le damos crédito al trabajo profundo que ellos hacen, y el conocimiento que ponen en practica. Y no es extraño porque es muy difícil de entender, cómo una persona cantando, me va, me va a curar con un canto, verdad? No, como para nosotros, es muy difícil, no tiene sentido. [00:01:00] Tiene que ser la substancia que tomaste y que se metió en tu cerebro y hizo alguna cosas de conexiones neurológicas. Yo que sé. No puede ser esa cosa, porque para nosotros, ya sería el pensamiento mágico, verdad?Pero como te digo, eso que nosotros llamamos pensamiento mágico para ellos no es un pensamiento mágico. Es un conocimiento muy concreto que se aprende que tiene métodos de aprendizaje. Son conocimientos y habilidades, y capacidades que se adquieren con métodos de transmisión, verdad? Y hasta ahora no hemos logrado darle realmente el lugar que le corresponde a eso.Por el contrario, estamos impactando en eso de maneras muy profundas, y hay una contradicción fundamental que yo veo en lo, en para volver un poco a la pregunta que me haces. En todo este turismo que ha llegado, y [00:02:00] esta fascinación, este interés. Cuáles son los impactos que esto ha tenido en las comunidades indígenas en el mundo indígena, verdad?Entonces yo creo que hay dos cosas que parecen ser un poco contradictorias. Por un lado, hay una gran bendición. Hace 20 años, tú no veías gente de nuestra edad, jóvenes interesados en sentarse con los abuelos y aprender realmente, y ser continuadores de esas tradiciones y cultivadores de ese tipo de conocimientos.La mayoría de gente de nuestra edad, un poco más viejos, hasta la edad de nuestro, gente que tiene hoy día 50, 55 años, 60 años, no querían hacer, no. Querían ser profesores interculturales bilingües, querían ser [00:03:00] profesionales, pertenecer al mundo de los blancos, verdad? Entonces, los viejos, eran de un tiempo pasado que estaba destinado a extinguirse.Entonces, con la llegada de los occidentales y con este interés por esas cosas, ha habido cierto renacimiento y sobre todo, un verdadero interés de la juventud por aprender estas cosas como una alternativa profesional, digamos. Digamos, oye, para qué voy a ser abogado? Si yo, si mira todos los gringos que están viniendo, yo puedo ser esto y me va a ir mejor, verdad?Entonces, por un lado, hay esa parte que, hoy en día vemos, por ejemplo, en los Shipibo, muchísima gente que está aprendiendo, verdad? Muchos jóvenes están interesados, no solamente en los Shipibo, pero sino, pero en muchos lugares en Brasil, en Colombia, en Ecuador, yo veo, veo eso, una juventud que está poco a poco interesándose más y [00:04:00] volviendo a sus propias raíces.Es como, como decir, todo desde que eres niño, siempre te dicen, "los antiguos ser una porquería ya ese mundo acabó, lo único que cuenta es la modernidad y integrarse a la vida urbana, a la vida oficial de esta civilización, ir a la iglesia, tener una carrera, y ser alguien en la vida," verdad?Y entonces era como, y los estados con políticas de esa naturaleza, los gobiernos, los estados de nuestros países, era, pues la cuestión indígena era cómo civilizamos a los indios. Civilizar al indio no es otra cosa que hacerlo olvidar de sus sistemas, de sus culturas, pero como una parte así de como digo, "woke," no como, "ay, que lindo los indios que mantengan sus danzas, que mantengan su folclore, que mantengan [00:05:00] sus ropitas y que mantengan su ciertas cosas que es como bonito, que ellos mantengan como algo pintoresco y algo folclórico," pero sin entender realmente la profundidad. Pero hoy en día, yo creo que en gran medida, gracias a esto, no solamente, es una cosa más compleja evidentemente, pero, la juventud, viendo que hay esta llegada de blancos, de extranjeros, de gringos, no? Interesadisimos por los conocimientos de los abuelos, por la medicina. Y que van y están ahí, dicen "uy acá tiene que haber algo interesante, yo también quiero aprender." Si a los gringos les gusta esto, es porque algo bueno debe haber entiendes? Llegamos a ese punto en que estaba destinado a desaparecer, pero de una a otra manera, hay un renacimiento, verdad? Al mismo tiempo, [00:06:00] en la transmisión de estos conocimientos, como te decía sumamente complejos, sumamente estricta, estrictos métodos de transmisión, pues se ha tenido que simplificar porque los jóvenes no están aptos ya, habiendo ido a la escuela, teniendo un pie en la ciudad. No, no es tan aptos ni tienen el interés, ni las condiciones, ni las aptitudes para realmente entrar en esos procesos como lo podían haber hecho los abuelos, que hoy en día tienen 70, 80 años, verdad, que fueron realmente los últimos. A menos que uno se vaya muy lejos en la selva donde lugares que no tienen mucho contacto, que ellos todavía deben de mantener algunas cosas, pero ellos están alejados también de estos circuitos, Pero entonces, sí, hay una gran simplificación de estos sistemas. Entonces se pierden muchas cosas. Para bien o para mal, no? Mucha gente dice, bueno, por lo menos se está perdiendo toda esta parte de la brujería y [00:07:00] los ataques chamánicos y toda esa cosa, pero a lo cual se le da mucha, mucha importancia que tampoco logramos entender, porque nosotros lo vemos con esa visión judeo cristiana, esa distinción maniquea del bien y del mal, que en los mundos indígenas no es que no exista, sino que es totalmente diferente, no?. Y eso forma parte de esas diferencias que son importantes de entender y de respetar, verdad? Entonces, toda esta parte que nosotros vemos como brujería, como diabólico y tal, tienen su función dentro de un sistema, y que no, tratar de hacerlo desaparecer es hacer desaparecer el sistema mismo, verdad?Porque no lo entendemos. Es lo mismo que pasa, es lo que ha pasado siempre, algo que nos escandaliza, entonces lo queremos cambiar, pero nos escandaliza desde nuestra propia visión del mundo y no estamos entendiéndolo desde la visión de [00:08:00] ellos. No quiere decir que todo se puede relativizar, verdad? Hay cosas que son, pues muy difíciles, no, y muy delicadas, pero en en reglas general, cuando hay algo que nos escandaliza, lo queremos cambiar, sin realmente profundizar en un entendimiento de la función de esas cosas, pues estamos siguiendo los mismos patrones que los curas que llegaban hace 400 años, 500 años. Que decían ah, esto es diabólico. Tenemos que extirpar estas cosas, no? Entonces seguimos haciendo eso. Entonces, por un lado, vemos que hay un renacimiento del interés de la juventud y una reconexión con su propia identidad al mismo tiempo que hay una simplificación algo peligrosa de estos sistemas, quiere decir que los jóvenes que de aquí a poco van a ser los abuelos no saben la [00:09:00] mitad de lo que sabían sus abuelos. Saben lo mínimo indispensable que sirve para darle al gringo lo que requiere, lo que necesita, lo que está buscando, lo suficiente para hacer negocio en realidad y eso no es para culparlos a ellos, sino que es parte del sistema en el que estamos navegando, porque todo funciona así. Para qué te vas a profundizar tanto si con este mínimo ya te alcanza? Sobre todo cuando vemos que muchos gringos, muchos extranjeros van toman ayahuasca unas cuantas veces o hacen alguna dieta, y después se llevan ayahuasca a sus países, se ponen las plumas, agarran su guitarrita, y empiezan a cantar estas cosas como decoración alrededor de esta experiencia y hacen mucho dinero. Y así se ha ido expandiendo la ayahuasca por el mundo, verdad? Y eso cumple su función también. No es para juzgarlo, pero [00:10:00] también hay, es de una superficialidad, muchas veces, hiriente, cuando tú ves lo que sabe un abuelo y lo que ha tenido que pasar las dificultades, las pruebas y las responsabilidades que tiene un curandero amazónico para su comunidad, y los sistemas de rendición de cuentas que son los que más o menos lo mantienen a raya, que uno no puede hacer lo que le da la gana con ese poder, sino que hay un sistema de control, cuando esto sale y se va afuera en estos círculos, medios new age, medios hippie, medio neochamánico, pues toda esa cuestión se pierde y se empiezan a inventar un montón de cosas, y sobre todo, un discurso que es bastante problemático. Entonces surge esta idea que la ayahuasca es la panacea universal, y "la madrecita ayahuasca" me [00:11:00] dijo, y, "esto es lo que va a salvar el mundo." Entonces más personas tenemos que buscar la forma que más y más personas tengan esta experiencia para salvar el mundo verdad? Y la verdad que yo creo que eso no es así. Si fuera así, si fuera por la cantidad de ayahuasca que se toma en el mundo, pues el mundo ya habría cambiado, porque realmente se toma mucha ayahuasca. Cuando yo, el principio de los años 2000 en Europa, era muy raro escuchar de eso no? Hoy en día, en cualquier país europeo, todos los fines de semana tú puedes encontrar una ceremonia de ayahuasca, en todas partes. Eso se ha expandido. Se ha normalizado. Ya es mainstream, ya se volvió mainstream. Pero qué se ha vuelto mainstream? Nuestra propia interpretación, que es bastante problemática sobre esto y no se le ha dado el lugar que le [00:12:00] corresponde a los guardianes de esos conocimientos. Entonces eso es lo que yo tengo para criticar en todo este tema de la revolución psicodélica, que hablamos de psicodélico psicodélico, psicodélico, como la panacea, lo que puede salvar el mundo, pero cuánta experiencia tiene nuestra sociedad con los psicodélicos?Dos generaciones? Máximo? Desde Hoffman, y esa, ya de la generación Beat, de los 50. Vale?, un poco eso. Y entonces, hoy día, tú tienes psychodelic studies en las universidades y formación de terapias con psicodélicos que los enseñan en institutos, de estudios bastante importantes. Y uno se pregunta, pero qué estudia?Qué les enseñan? Qué podemos haber acumulado como conocimiento en esas dos generaciones, siendo que durante más o menos 40 años, esto ha sido o 50 o 60 años. Esto ha sido prohibido. Era [00:13:00] ilegal. Hoy en día se está más o menos legalizando, entonces se puede estudiar más abiertamente, se puede investigar, se puede aprender, se puede experimentar mucho más, pero durante muchos años, era ilegal, era underground, subterráneo, verdad? Entonces, qué es lo que hemos podido acumular como el conocimiento? Es mínimo, es muy superficial, sobre todo si lo comparas con lo que saben allá en la selva, los indígenas en México, los Wixarika allá donde, por donde tu estás, los mazatecos y toda esa gente que tiene conocimiento de los hongos.Eso es una acumulación, de conocimiento extraordinaria. Lo que pasa es que, como son indios, no les damos el lugar. Qué me va, si tú tienes un doctorado en cualquier universidad del mundo y te sienta junto con indios, adentro de uno tiene esa terrible arrogancia que tenemos [00:14:00] los occidentales de decir, si yo soy un doctor, qué me va a enseñar un indio?Entiendes? Y eso, eso demuestra que aún por más que tratamos de idealizar y por más que hay un gran respeto, y algo que esté cambiando, todavía seguimos regidos por un profundo racismo. Un profundo complejo de superioridad, que creo yo, que está la base de los grandes problemas que tenemos hoy en día como humanidad es realmente la arrogancia y el complejo de superioridad que tenemos como miembros de esta civilización, que es extraordinaria, pero también es la que nos está llevando el hecatombe verdad? Es la que está destruyendo el mundo.Entonces, hay verdades muy incómodas que no queremos ver pero es la verdad, a pesar de toda la grandeza que hemos logrado con este, con los conocimientos de nuestra ciencia, es también nuestra misma ciencia la que está destruyendo [00:15:00] el mundo, nuestra manera de entender y de conocer el mundo. Entonces ahora, poco a poco, nos estamos dando cuenta que necesitamos de la participación de estos otros pueblos que tienen otras maneras de ver, de entender, de estar en el mundo, y de conocer, de aprender otras maneras, no? Entonces sucede una cosa muy bonita y extraordinaria cuando juntamos personas que piensan diferente y realmente ya no es una discusión sobre cuál es mejor, cuál sistema es mejor, si mi ciencia o tu ciencia o no, sino que es como complementamos nuestros tipos de conocimiento, verdad? Lo que decíamos también, o sea, a partir de nuestras diferencias, con nuestras diferencias como material, que es lo que podemos tejer juntos, que no se ha hecho nunca, verdad? Entonces, eso es lo que está surgiendo también, pero en un contexto muy [00:16:00] problemático en lo que surgen los intereses económicos, financieros, grandes farmacéutica, grandes capitales que quieren invertir en estas cosas y no se les da el lugar a los grandes detentores de estos conocimientos. Y sobretodo no se les da lugar en el diálogo, ni en la creación de acuerdos, sino que no se le da una participación financiera de lo que se puede recaudar como beneficios a partir de sus conocimientos, verdad? Entonces seguimos reproduciendo ese sistema colonial, ese sistema de explotación del otro y de la tierra, de la naturaleza en beneficio del capital, en beneficio para generar, ingresos económicos, no? Entonces estamos en eso es, es altamente complejo. [00:17:00] Hay cosas buenas y hay cosas negativas. Hay un impacto muy grande también en la Amazonía con toda la llegada de toda esta gente, pero impactos positivos. Yo, yo he encontrado muchos líderes, en Amazonía que me dicen "gracias a ustedes que vienen acá. Nosotros estamos volviendo a nuestras raíces", "Si no fuera por ustedes, ya estaríamos perdidos." Entonces hay algo que está sucediendo, que es algo muy positivo, pero también, como venimos con esos programas, no logramos darle la profundidad que podríamos estar alcanzando. Y que nuevamente, creo yo, que lo que está la base es nuestro terrible complejo de superioridad, que creemos que todos lo sabemos y que, pues somos mejores y que, qué nos va a enseñar, me entiendes? Aunque algo esté cambiando, aunque haya un poco de esperanza, todavía hay mucho camino por delante, [00:18:00] no?Chris: Mm. gracias Claude poder sacar algunos de esos hilos del nudo enorme en que vivimos. Pues sí, yo siento que, una de las cosas menos escuchados en nuestros tiempos de gente que tiene comentarios, opiniones, lo que sea, es, pues "no sé la verdad, no sé" . O sea, hay una una falta enorme de humildad.Creo que de la gente que critica la revolución o renacimiento psicodélico, o la gente que celebra no? O sea, hay una gran falta de humildad igual de tiempo profundo o de conocimiento histórico podemos decir, y como mencionaste, la cuestión de los abuelos y las relaciones que la gente tiene, o sea, las Amazonas y los pueblos indígenas ya por miles y miles de [00:19:00] años con sus lugares.Y como poco a poco se profundizaron su propio lugar dentro de los otros seres en su ecología, en su ecosistema, sus ecosistemas, y que, ese idea de que alguien puede irse a un lugar así. tomar la medicina como es una pastilla nada más volverse o simplemente quedarse y decir que "ah me curó" o algo Pues eso, eso me suena como bastante fascinante, no? Y porque, para mí al final también tiene que ver con la relacion con los ancianos o sabios de un lugar o sea, el maestro mío me dijo una vez que son los jóvenes que hacen ancianos, que hacen sabios que hacen como elders no? No son los viejos.O sea, los viejos son el vehículo para la función de esa sabiduría. Pero son los jóvenes que tienen que preguntar y [00:20:00] eso. Parece que está muy, muy perdido en el mundo occidental. O sea más bien la gente urbana, la gente del norte, la gran mayoría son migrantes o familias de inmigrantes.Entonces, yo siento que la relación que tenemos con la medicina, que es solo medicina, es una pastilla o aunque sí, es un ser que no, como dijiste, como no tenemos a veces la capacidad de entender, el lugar del abuelo, abuela humana en esa relación, pues hay muchas, muchas direcciones que podemos ir en ese sentido, pero también lo que he visto, lo que he escuchado, he leído un poco es sobre la deforestación de las medicinas, las plantas sagradas, y que la gente va [00:21:00] domesticando poco a poco las plantas y que las plantas domesticadas no tienen la misma fuerza, en parte porque están cosechadas o cosechados más y más joven, más y más antes de su maduración, y que eso también quizás tiene algo que ver con nuestra contexto del occidente como la necesidad o rapidez o velocidad en que necesitamos conseguir y consumir la medicina y ser curado, etcétera. Entonces entiendo que también has estado trabajando por algunas organizaciones que trabajan específicamente en la conservación de las medicinas, y también, otras que trabajan en la educación e investigaciones sobre lo etnobotánico. Entonces, me gustaría preguntarte sobre y ICEERS y MSCF tiene [00:22:00] un, una perspectiva fija o quizás como desde tu perspectiva, cómo vamos en ese camino?Claude: Mira, esa es una problemática, que corresponde a ese mismo sistema, no? O sea, en otras palabras, por ejemplo, cuando surgió este fondo, esta fundación, que es el fondo para la conservación de las medicinas indígenas o INC por sus en inglés. La primera inquietud que surgió, o sea el primer impulso y el primer, el primer capital semilla para para lanzar esto era exactamente esa idea no? Estas medicinas se están expandiendo, más y más personas lo van a necesitar, lo van a usar. Entonces va a haber un impacto en la sostenibilidad de estas plantas.Se va a poner en riesgo su continuidad, verdad? Cuando a mí me propusieron a [00:23:00] trabajar en esto y ayudar a la creación de este fondo, y me lo pusieron en esos términos, mi respuesta fue negativa. Yo dije no tengo el menor interés en trabajar en eso. Porque, o sea, en otras palabras, es ¿Cómo hacemos para garantizar la demanda?Cómo hacemos para para que tengamos suficiente, vamos a hacer plantaciones de peyote y plantaciones de ayahuasca para que no se acabe, para que alcance para todas las personas en el mundo que lo van a necesitar. Y yo dije no tengo el menor interés en hacer eso. Además, no creo que ese sea el real problema.Dije ahora si se tratase de la conservación de los conocimientos, estamos hablando de otra cosa. Eso es lo realmente precioso que debemos poner todo nuestros esfuerzos [00:24:00] para que exista una continuidad, para que no desaparezca como está desapareciendo, desaparece. Cada vez que se muere un abuelo y se han muerto muchos últimamente, sobre todo con el COVID, se han muerto muchos abuelos, pues se pierde, se pierde, o sea, es una tragedia para la humanidad entera, que se muera un abuelo que no tuvo la posibilidad de transmitirle a uno, a dos, a tres de sus hijos, a sus nietos, ese conocimiento, que no haya nadie que vaya a saber lo que sabe él, pues es una tragedia para todos nosotros.Entonces, cuando estamos pensando en cómo vamos a hacer? Se va a acabar la ayahuasca, o hay plantaciones, si no es lo mismo, es una inquietud válida, evidentemente, dentro nuestra lógica. Pero olvidamos que lo principal es la conservación de estos conocimientos. Entonces, tanto [00:25:00] MSC como ICEERS se está enfocando cada vez más en un trabajo profundo de desarrollar relaciones, cultivar relaciones con estos abuelos detentores de conocimientos, con estas comunidades que aún practican, mantiene sus sistemas, verdad? Y trabajando con ellos, digamos para ellos, para con programas, y con proyectos, y procesos que son diseñados por ellos, guiados por ellos, y nosotros solamente nos dedicamos a dar, un apoyo técnico y financiero, no? Para garantizar esto, entonces, al hacer esto, al dedicarlos más a la conservación de estos conocimientos, nos damos cuenta que la cultura no puede sobrevivir sin el [00:26:00] territorio.El conocimiento de los abuelos no tiene sentido sin un territorio, verdad? Y cuando hablamos de la conservación de la Amazonía, tampoco podemos entender la conservación de los ecosistemas sin la conservación de las culturas que han vivido ahí durante miles de años. O sea, todo va de la par, todo va de la mano, no?Entonces con una visión mucho más holistica, digamos más amplia. Pues entendemos eso, que cuidando de la cultura y poniendo todos los esfuerzos necesarios para la continuidad de esas culturas también estamos cuidando a la Amazonía, cuidando la biodiversidad, cuidando el agua, cuidando las medicinas, cuidando todo.Entiendes? Ya existen en Brasil enormes plantaciones de ayahuasca, de chacruna. Encuentras plantaciones en diferentes partes del mundo, [00:27:00] en Hawaii, y en Costa Rica, y en diferentes lugares. Ya la gente ha ido a sembrar hace años. Entonces, hay, no, eso no va a faltar. Lo que sí no vanos faltar, nos estamos quedando huérfanos de esos conocimientos.Y eso sí que es una gran pérdida porque yo tengo la certeza, la convicción que en esos, en esos conocimientos están las llaves, las respuestas que nos pueden ayudar a resolver los grandes desafíos que tiene la humanidad hoy en día. Desde nuestra ciencia no vamos a resolver, estamos, estamos en una crisis civilizatoria, estamos en una crisis global, y lo único que nos dicen los científicos es que tenemos que reducir las emisiones de gases de efecto invernadero.Y ahí van 20 años o más tratando de hacer eso, y no lo consiguen. No [00:28:00] solamente es insuficiente pensarlo de esa manera tan reduccionista, sino que, igualmente están acatandose a una sola cosa y no lo consiguen, no hemos logrado nada, no? Lo que realmente necesitamos es un cambio de sentido, un cambio entender una profundidad mucho mayor de cuál es nuestra relación como especie con este planeta.Y para eso necesitamos los entendimientos de lo más extraordinario que ha guardado la humanidad hasta hoy, no solamente de la civilización occidental, sino de todos, no? Entonces, cada vez que se pierde una lengua, cada vez que se muere un abuelo sabedor es una tragedia para toda la humanidad.Entonces, está muy bien que utilicemos estas medicinas, está muy bien que se esté expandiendo estas prácticas, pero esto sirve, [00:29:00] como un proceso inicial, como abrir una ventana hacia un mundo de posibilidades. Entonces, a mí me gusta que haya gente dando ayahuasca en Estados Unidos, en Europa.Me gusta porque mucha gente tiene la experiencia y dice "wow, en verdad si hay algo más. En verdad, aquí hay todo un mundo que yo no tenía idea que existía y que podría leer millones de cosas, y puedo creer o no creer, pero teniendo la experiencia, ya no necesito creer. Yo sé que hay algo. Sé que la naturaleza está viva. Sé que la naturaleza habla, sé que hay manera de comunicarse con la sutileza del funcionamiento de este planeta, de las aguas, de los ríos, de los vientos de las montañas. Todo es un sistema que está vivo, y hay manera de comunicarse con eso y mantenerse en una profunda relación, simbiótica, de profundo respeto y de amor con todo esto no? Entonces, es [00:30:00] importante que muchas personas tengan ese tipo de experiencia, pero después qué? Después de esa experiencia qué? Volvemos a nuestra vida normal, a nuestro trabajo de siempre, a la dificultad de nuestras relaciones cotidianas y el drama de la imposibilidad de mantener una conexión profunda con el tejido de la vida.Todo de nuestra civilización está hecho para mantenernos desconectados de la vida, del funcionamiento de la vida en este planeta, verdad? Entonces, hacia eso es lo que tenemos que apuntar, porque el problema no son las emisiones de gases de efecto invernadero, el problema es nuestra relación con el mundo.No es las historias que nos hacen creer que el mundo es una fuente de recursos para extraer, transformar y generar riqueza. Esa historia es profundamente [00:31:00] problemática. Y cuando conversamos con los sabios, con los abuelos, con los indígenas, escuchamos esas historias. Nos damos cuenta. Wow. Estas historias necesitan ser escuchadas.Estas historias necesitan, necesitan ser contadas en diferentes espacios. Y estos abuelos, estos sabios necesitan ocupar el lugar que les corresponde en la mesa de negociaciones de la humanidad. No se trata de conservar esto como algo folclórico, como un derecho de estos pobrecitos pueblos que tienen el derecho de vivir, como siempre vivieron, como quieran vivir. No, se trata de nuestra sobrevivencia.Entonces, hacia eso, creo yo, que debemos estar apuntando y sobre todo el tema de la revolución del renacimiento psicodélico yo creo que es una punta de lanza. Es una primera entrada en el que vamos poco a poco, demostrando que no se trata [00:32:00] solamente de convencer así retóricamente, sino que hay que demostrar, con hechos, la pertinencia, la utilidad de estos conocimientos para hoy para el mundo de hoy, verdad?Entonces, el tema de la salud y el tema de la salud mental es como es una problemática gigantesca, no? Enorme, hiper compleja. Es la primera cosa que, más y más científicos y gente que decide se está dando cuenta. "Uy, aquí esta gente sabe algo que nosotros no sabemos y tiene una manera de saber y entender el funcionamiento de la mente y el espíritu humano que nosotros no tenemos idea y que realmente funciona."Entonces eso es como una primera parte, como una punta de lanza. Estamos entrando en un lugar para poder demostrar al mundo. "Oye, lo que saben estos [00:33:00] pueblos es importante no solamente para ellos, no solamente para la continuidad de sus culturas, de sus tradiciones, no solamente para la salvaguarda de la selva Amazónica sino para toda la humanidad." Verdad? Y es muy triste ver en nuestros países, en Colombia. Bueno, Colombia hay otro nivel de entendimiento mucho más maduro, sobre lo indígena. Creo que están mucho más avanzados en ese sentido, pero en Brasil, en Perú, en Ecuador, en México, no le estamos dando la importancia que merece a esta problemática, o sea al rescate de lo poco que ha sobrevivido esos conocimientos extraordinarios que se mantienen en las selvas, en los desiertos, en las montañas, que se han ido guardando en secreto hasta hoy, o sea es heroico que haya [00:34:00] sobrevivido hasta hoy. Y hoy en día nos estamos dando cuenta de la pertinencia y la importancia de todo eso.Entonces, cuando hablamos de conservación, estamos hablando de conservación biocultural. Entender que no se puede preservar una cultura sin preservar la totalidad de su territorio, sin derechos de esos pueblos sobre sus territorios, y no se puede preservar los ecosistemas y los derechos si no se hace todos los esfuerzos para preservar esas culturas que han vivido en profundo respeto, en simbiosis con esos ecosistemas.Y tenemos muchísimo que aprender. Todo este tema de la cooperación internacional, de las ayudas de las ONGs, de los proyectos de los pueblos indígenas es de un paternalismo triste y absurdo que en el fondo dice "ay pobrecitos los indios vamos a ayudarlos", vamos a ayudarlos a qué? Vamos a ayudarlos a que sean más como nosotros.Eso es lo que estamos haciendo, creyendo que [00:35:00] somos lo mejor. Pero entonces más y más estamos entendiendo que es es mucho más lo que nosotros podemos aprender de ellos, que ellos transformarse en nosotros. Tenemos que re indigenizarnos, sabes?. Tenemos que volver a ciertas raíces que nos permitan una profunda conexión con la vida, con la naturaleza, con todos los seres que viven en nuestro territorio.Y eso es lo que en la misma naturaleza, la misma tierra nos está indicando, nos está llamando. O sea, si siguen así de desconectados, los vamos a exterminar. Tienen que re conectarse con eso, entonces ahí yo creo que hay una, algo nuevo que está surgiendo, que es maravilloso, verdad? Y espero yo que eso llegue a más y más personas.Estamos trabajando duro para eso la [00:36:00] verdad. Chris: Mm, pues muchísimas gracias por esos trabajos Claude. Y por tener la capacidad de afilar el cuchillo, en estos tiempos y en nuestra conversación, para sacar la grasa, digamos, como digamos. Yo siento que es, es un trabajo muy fuerte, no? O sea, para mí, eso es el fin de turismo, la capacidad de parar, de ver al mundo como algo que existe sólo por tus gustos. Algo que existe en un sentido temporal, es decir desechable. Pero eso va a durar como un montón de trabajo en el sentido de recordar, de recordar que en algún momento sus antepasados, los urbanos, los del norte, etcétera, fueron indígenas. Pero qué pasó? Qué ha pasado? Qué rompió [00:37:00] esa relación con la tierra? Y eso, eso es un trabajo muy, muy fuerte y obviamente generacional y intergeneracional, entonces. Pues hay mucho más que podemos hablar y ojalá que tenemos la oportunidad en algún momento, pero quería agradecerte por la parte de mí, por la parte del podcast y los escuchantes. Y al final quería preguntarte, y para nuestros oyentes, si hay una manera de seguir a tu trabajo o contactarte, si estás dispuesto a eso, cómo se pueden conocer lo de ICEERS y MSC? Claude: Bueno, tienes, el trabajo de MSC es muy importante. Y pues, si necesitamos a más gente que se sume, que done. Necesitamos canalizar muchos [00:38:00] recursos para poder hacer estas cosas bien, verdad? Con pocos recursos estamos haciendo cosas increíbles, pero ya estamos viendo que, ya llegamos a niveles en los que podemos administrar mucho mayores recursos. Entonces, si la gente se siente inspirada y pueden entrar a la página web de MSC o ICEERS, y MSC fund FND, ver lo que estamos haciendo, los diferentes proyectos que tenemos ahí y se sientan inspirados para donar o conseguir recursos, pues, genial. ICEERS también hace un trabajo extraordinario en la creación de conocimientos, artículos científicos y defensa legal también de estos detentores, de estas medicinas. Trabajo con incidencia política con gente que decide en el mundo. [00:39:00] Entonces estamos luchando ahí por los derechos de los pueblos indígenas, por el derecho del uso de estas medicinas que en muchos lugares son ilegales, y también sobre todo, decir a la gente que más que ir a la selva, o tomar ayahuasca cerca de sus lugares, muchas veces ahí cerca también tienen una reserva, algunos abuelos, pueblos indígenas que están cerca de ustedes, no? En sus países, cerca de sus ciudades. Y pues es tiempo de reconectar, y es muy difícil, pero la verdad que vale la pena, ir, ver lo que necesitan, cómo podemos ayudar, cómo podemos colaborar, simplemente con esa presencia, con otro tipo de encuentro, y cultivar esas relaciones de amistad, es algo, es algo muy importante que podemos hacer hoy en día, y que, [00:40:00] pues la tierra nos está pidiendo a gritos que nos re conectemos. Y ahí están los abuelos, todavía hay abuelos que, como dices tú, solamente esperan que vengan los jóvenes a preguntar no? Y muchas veces cuando no son los propios jóvenes de sus comunidades, pues están muy felices cuando viene gente de afuera de otros lugares, con esas preguntas, porque los ayaban a practicar, los ayudan a compartir, pero también inspiran a los jóvenes de su comunidad a sentarse con los abuelos.Creo que es un tiempo en el que es muy importante volver a sentarse con los abuelos, y los abuelos están ahí y están necesitando mucho de nosotros. Entonces, hagámoslo.Chris: Oye, gracias, hermano. Voy a asegurar que esos enlaces están en la página de El Fin del Turismo cuando lance el episodio. Y [00:41:00] pues, desde el norte hacia el sur te mando un gran abrazo. Y gracias por tu tiempo hoy, por tu trabajo y por tus compromisos Claude. Claude: Un placer, Chris, gracias a ti. Gracias por lo que estás haciendo. Saludos.English TranscriptionChris: [00:00:00] Welcome Claude, to the podcast The End of Tourism.Claude: Chris. Thank you very much.Chris: I was wondering if you could explain a little bit about where you are today and how the world appears to you?Claude: Good question. I am, right now I am in Rio de Janeiro, where I live. I am Peruvian and I also studied anthropology and I dedicate a lot of my time to indigenous peoples, especially in Brazil, Colombia and Peru and I have been working in the Amazon for many years. And as I see the world today, from here, well, with a lot of concern, obviously, but also because of what I do with some hope,Chris: Yeah, and in that matter of what you do and what we talked about before, it seems like it's a great path, a path of [00:01:00] decades and decades. And I would like, if we could see a little more of that path. Could you comment a little on how you got to this great moment, be it through your travels, to other countries, to other worlds, to other teachers.Claude: Yes, of course, let me explain. I've been working with indigenous people in general for about 20 years, but especially with the topic of spirituality, master plants like ayahuasca and those things, and I got there like, I think, like most people who go to the jungle today, or to look for these medicines, as they are called, which is a certain or deep dissatisfaction with our own culture, with the existential response that our own society [00:02:00] can give us, I would say.It's like there's always a question that one asks oneself, "Doesn't there have to be something more? It can't just be that." That proposal, let's say from the West, can't just be that, there has to be something more, right? So that led me on a search since, I don't know when I was around twenty, twenty-something years old.What led me to experiment with these medicines like ayahuasca, San Pedro, mushrooms, not for a playful or evasive reason, but on the contrary, with a curiosity for other ways of knowing and understanding. So I approached these medicines, with curiosity to understand how indigenous peoples know what they know. What is the origin of their [00:03:00] knowledge at the moment, right?So, I studied anthropology. I quickly moved away from academia because I found it much more interesting what my grandparents taught me, who for anthropology were my informants, right? It was like, I had to have my informant, this informant. And I realized that no, they were not my informants, but they were teachers and I learned much more from them than what I was taught in books, or in classes, or in seminars, right?So I decided to dedicate myself more to following them and to continue learning with them, and to see how I could help them. These grandparents, these wise indigenous people. And that led me to a wonderful path that today I call "the bridge people," right? In other words, people who are in that place of interface, between the knowledge, the wisdom that remains to us from the indigenous peoples [00:04:00] and the Western world, the modern world.And in this new type of encounter that has been emerging for a decade or maybe two decades. It is this new type of encounter of our worlds, right? That until today was, had always been extremely problematic, if not murderous, right? The way our Western world met the indigenous worlds was destructive. Today we find ourselves in a different way, in which many young people and adults and people from the global north come in search of knowledge, wisdom, cure, healing, alternatives, looking for answers that our own civilization cannot give us. There is a hunger, a thirst for meaning for something greater, so many people begin to go there with different eyes, with a [00:05:00] respect that I don't think had existed before. And that brings positive things and negative things, obviously.It seems that we are wrong. There is a great curse, that, like everything that the West touches, it eventually turns into a great disaster. It seems like something super nice, super wonderful, illusory, it makes us fall in love, it seduces us, but after a short time we begin to realize the terrible consequences that we bring, right?But something, I don't know, something is also changing, something is shifting. There is a certain maturity on both sides, both on the indigenous side and on the non-indigenous side, to meet from a place where we can celebrate our differences and understand that those differences are material for the construction of a new time , right?So that's the part that brings me a little bit of hope.Chris: Yeah, that's nice. Thank you, Claude. I mean, I feel [00:06:00] a lot of hope, but also despair for someone who has visited several indigenous peoples in the Amazon for about 15 years now, during which time these medicines were gradually reaching the collective mentality of the West.And it has helped me a lot, not only for spiritual reasons, but also for repairing the damage I did to my body, for example, but also getting into those circles, in the Amazon, for example, but also my native land Toronto, Canada and other parts Oaxaca, Mexico. We have seen little by little the neglect of indigenous wisdom, indigenous cultures, medicines, and more than anything, the contradictions that [00:07:00] appear within the "psychedelic renaissance." So, you have been in those for a long time, not only regarding medicine, but also in indigenous cultures in the Amazon. I would like to ask you what you have seen there in the sense of contradictions, about tourism regarding medicine, it can be the side of foreigners coming to heal themselves, or maybe the locals or indigenous people taking advantage of the moment.Claude: All cultures have contradictions. And the main contradiction is between what is said, right? What is professed and what one sees in practice, right? It's like going to church and listening to the pastor talking about what a good Christian should be like.And then you walk around, I don't know, Chicago or Mexico City, and you see what [00:08:00] Christians are like and you say, wow, there's a huge contradiction, right? The contradiction is terrible. When we talk about indigenous peoples and knowledge, indigenous peoples, indigenous wisdom, it seems like we're speaking from a place of idealization, right?And I would not like to fall into that idealization but rather try to be very concrete. One thing is reality, which is truly terrible. We live in a time that is the peak, it is the continuation of a process of colonialism, of extermination that was not something that happened with the arrival of the Spanish, and the Portuguese and the time of the conquest. And it was not something that happened.It's something that keeps happening, . It's something that [00:09:00] It keeps happening. As the great Aílton Krenak, a great indigenous leader from here in Brazil, and an intellectual , member of the Brazilian Academy of Letters, recently said, what you don't understand is that your world is still at war with our world.He said that . He says that, in other words, you don't understand that the Western world, the modern world, continues at war and making every effort to make indigenous cultures disappear.I mean, in practice, that's what we're doing. So, when I talk about hope, I'm talking about it because there's something that's emerging, that's new, but it's really very small. And as you say, when, I mean, the expansion of ayahuasca, of San Pedro, of peyote and of a certain [00:10:00] Respect and a certain understanding of the importance of indigenous knowledge , we still don't really understand that, we don't understand. And when we talk from the global north, and what is called the psychedelic renaissance, when they talk about indigenous peoples, there is an idealization, above all, it is only part of a discourse that is a bit " woke. "It's a bit of a way of making your speech pretty, but in practice it's not visible, no, no, it doesn't occupy an important place. The path that this psychedelic revolution is going to follow is already designed, it is to extract the active principles from plants, to make medicines, to make a pill that will help people stay in better shape within the madness that the West proposes.How we give to people [00:11:00] tools to adapt and to resist , that's the absurdity we're subjecting them to , that 's really it. I mean, we need drugs like Brave New World now , not Soma. Are you feeling depressed? Take your pills . You're questioning things too much , take this so you can keep functioning and operating and producing, right?But one thing is very, very clear to me, and that is that we have not yet managed to understand the magnitude of indigenous knowledge. And I say knowledge, not beliefs, because in general, when we talk about indigenous peoples, what a shaman, as they call him, a healer, knows, or what they talk about regarding their spirituality, people think, "ah, those are their beliefs." And in the best of cases, they say, "oh, how nice, we have to respect it, we have to take care of their rights, and they have cultural rights and they have every right to believe in what they believe." But when we say beliefs, it is also a misunderstanding because it has very little of belief in reality.When one studies more, and when one goes deeper into what a healer, an ayahuasca, Shipibo, Ashaninka, Huni Kuin, Karipuna, Noke Koi Kofan, knows how to do, what they know, it has nothing to do with beliefs. It has nothing to do with the religious worship of certain deities. Nothing to do with it. We are talking about deeply practical knowledge, right?It is an accumulation of knowledge over generations and generations by scholars of the jungle, who organize this [00:13:00] knowledge. Socially and also transmitted with a method. There is a very strict, very specific method of transmitting this knowledge and these ways of knowing, so I just gave you a definition not of a religion. I just gave you a definition of science.So what we haven't really understood until now is that the little bit of that knowledge that has survived to this day is much more like a science than a religion. It's much more practical knowledge than a religious belief, right? And in that sense, it's of the utmost importance. And so, when we have more and more people having this experience, what happens?Many people come to the jungle in Iquitos, I have worked for many years, for years I have been like the main center where I have received many people to [00:14:00] take ayahuasca and those things, and people come to heal themselves of things that in their countries, well, no, no one can heal them of depression, trauma, physical things too, but above all psychological things, right?And then they come back and say, "Oh, I took ayahuasca and I was cured." "How did you get cured?" "Oh, I went, I took ayahuasca," but nobody says, "I was drinking with an old man who sang to me every night for half an hour. And then he would come in the morning and ask me what my dreams were like. And then he would come with other medicines and he would give me baths. And when he would give me baths, he would sing to me again. And then he would give me this, and he would give me this medicine and sing to me, and when he would sing to me, he would make me see this kind of... Nobody talks about it. People say, "I took ayahuasca and the ayahuasca cured me," but the old man who was singing just seems like an accessory to an old man singing.But that is not the case.Claude: [00:00:00] Most people say, "Wow, how did you heal from that? What happened? What did you do?"Ah, I already took ayahuasca. Ayahuasca cured me."True? I've actually heard very few people say, "Grandpa, Grandma gave me ayahuasca, but he sang to me for hours, gave me baths, asked me about my dreams, adapted all the plants and the treatment he was doing to my dreams, to what he was seeing. When he sang to me, he guided me to see things, or not see things."It seems as if the old man who sang was an accessory, a decoration. And no, really, we don't give credit to the deep work they do, and the knowledge they put into practice. And it's not strange because it's very difficult to understand how a person singing is going to heal me with a song, right?No, for us, it's very difficult, it doesn't make sense. [00:01:00] It has to be the substance that you took that got into your brain and made some neurological connections. I don't know. It can't be that thing, because for us, it would be magical thinking, right?But as I say, what we call magical thinking is not magical thinking for them. It is a very concrete knowledge that is learned and has learning methods. It is knowledge and skills and abilities that are acquired through transmission methods, right? And up to now we have not really managed to give it the place it deserves.On the contrary, we are impacting this in very profound ways, and there is a fundamental contradiction that I see in this, in going back to the question you asked me. In all this tourism that has arrived, and [00:02:00] this fascination, this interest. What are the impacts that this has had on indigenous communities in the indigenous world, right?So I think there are two things that seem to be a bit contradictory. On the one hand, there is a great blessing. Twenty years ago, you didn't see people our age, young people interested in sitting with their grandparents and really learning, and continuing those traditions and cultivating that kind of knowledge.Most people our age, a little older, up to our age, people who are 50, 55, 60 years old today, didn't want to do anything, no. They wanted to be bilingual intercultural teachers, they wanted to be [00:03:00] professionals, to belong to the white world, right? So, the old people were from a bygone era that was destined to become extinct.So, with the arrival of the Westerners and with this interest in these things, there has been a certain renaissance and above all, a real interest among the youth to learn these things as a professional alternative, let's say. Let's say, hey, why should I be a lawyer? If I, if you look at all the gringos that are coming, I can be this and I'll do better, right?So, on the one hand, there is this part that, today we see, for example, in the Shipibo, a lot of people who are learning, right? Many young people are interested, not only in the Shipibo, but in many places in Brazil, in Colombia, in Ecuador, I see, I see that, a youth that is little by little becoming more interested and [00:04:00] returning to their own roots.It's like, how to say, since you're a kid, they always tell you, "The ancients were crap, that world is over, the only thing that matters is modernity and integrating into urban life, into the official life of this civilization, going to church, having a career, and being someone in life," right?And then it was like, and the states with policies of that nature, the governments, the states of our countries, it was, well, the indigenous question was how do we civilize the Indians. Civilizing the Indian is nothing other than making them forget their systems, their cultures, but as a part of how I say, " woke, " not like," Oh, how nice the Indians are that they keep their dances, that they keep their folklore, that they keep [00:05:00] their clothes and that they keep certain things that are kind of nice, that they keep as something picturesque and somewhat folkloric, " but without really understanding the depth.But today, I think that to a large extent, thanks to this, not only is it a more complex thing, obviously, but, the youth, seeing that there is this arrival of whites , of foreigners, of gringos, right? Very interested in the knowledge of their grandparents, in medicine. And they go and are there, they say " oh, there must be something interesting here, I also want to learn. " If gringos like this, it's because there must be something good, you know? We got to that point where it was meant to disappear, but one way or another, there's a rebirth, right? At the same time, [00:06:00] In the transmission of this knowledge, as I was saying, it is extremely complex, extremely strict, strict methods of transmission, so it has had to be simplified because young people are no longer capable, having gone to school, having one foot in the city. No, they are not as capable, nor do they have the interest, nor the conditions, nor the aptitudes to really enter into these processes as the grandparents could have done, who today are 70, 80 years old, right , who were really the last . Unless you go very far into the jungle where there are places where there is not much contact, they still have to maintain some things, but they are also far from these circuits,But then, yes, there is a great simplification of these systems. So many things are lost. For better or worse, right? Many people say, well, at least this whole part of witchcraft and [00:07:00] shamanic attacks and all that stuff is being lost, but to which a lot, a lot of importance is given that we also fail to understand, because we see it with that Judeo-Christian vision, that Manichean distinction of good and evil, which in the indigenous worlds does not just not exist, but is totally different, right? And that is part of those differences that are important to understand and respect, right? So, all this part that we see as witchcraft, as diabolical and such, has its function within a system, and that no, trying to make it disappear is to make the system itself disappear, right?Because we don't understand it. It's the same thing that happens, it's what has always happened, something that scandalizes us, so we want to change it, but it scandalizes us from our own worldview and we are not understanding it from the vision of [00:08:00] They do not. It does not mean that everything can be put into perspective, right? There are things that are very difficult, no, and very delicate, but in general, when there is something that scandalizes us, we want to change it, without really going into an understanding of the function of those things, because we are following the same patterns as the priests who arrived 400, 500 years ago. They said, "Oh, this is diabolical. We have to eradicate these things, right?" So we continue doing that. So, on the one hand, we see that there is a rebirth of interest among the youth and a reconnection with their own identity, while at the same time there is a somewhat dangerous simplification of these systems, meaning that the young people who will soon be grandparents do not know half of what their grandparents knew. They know the bare minimum that is needed to give the gringo what he requires, what he needs, what he is looking for, enough to actually do business, and that is not to blame them, but it is part of the system in which we are navigating, because everything works like that.Why are you going to go so deep if this minimum is enough? Especially when we see that many gringos, many foreigners, take ayahuasca a few times or go on a diet, and then they take ayahuasca back to their countries, put on the feathers, grab their little guitar, and start singing these things as decoration around this experience and make a lot of money.And so ayahuasca has been expanding throughout the world, right? And that serves its purpose too. Not to judge, but [00:10:00] there is also, it is a superficiality, many times, hurtful, when you see what a grandfather knows and what he has had to go through, the difficulties, the tests and the responsibilities that an

In this episode, Jerónimo Mazarrasa joins to discuss how to interpret visions and insights disclosed during ayahuasca journeys more effectively. Jerónimo is Program Director at ICEERS, founder of ICEERS Academy, and creator of AyaSafety, an online course for people interested in increasing the safety of ayahuasca ceremonies. To start, Jerónimo emphasizes that answering the question of whether ayahuasca visions originate in the plant medicine itself or if these are just disclosures of one's own subconscious is actually not what's most important. Instead, he suggests that in either case, what is crucial is spending time carefully considering how one should respond to these disclosures. Jerónimo shares insights from expert facilitators on how one can best go about interpreting and responding to such experiences, suggesting that an important aspect of this process is that participants feel comfortable taking personal responsibility for whatever decisions they eventually decide to make rather than thinking of these major life changes as necessary consequences of the psychedelic experience itself. In closing, Jerónimo discusses the tension between externalization and psychologization of psychedelic experiences and why both of these can lead to issues.    In this episode, you'll hear: The common experience of feeling as though the ayahuasca has communicated something to you Examples of where taking an ayahuasca vision literally can lead to problematic outcomes  The “three confirmations” one should look for before making a major decision based on a psychedelic experience The metaphor of ayahuasca as a microscope How skilled ayahuasca facilitators ensure proper psychological hygiene with participants Judging the validity of potential repressed memories that seem to surface during psychedelic experiences   Quotes: “The way that ayahuasca becomes useful for people, I think, is that it shows you—it amplifies and shows you—what is already inside of yourself. Now, this is very useful for certain things but one has to understand the nature of the language.”  [9:23] “Facilitators should instruct their participants that one rule is that you shouldn't make any decisions during an ayahuasca ceremony—unless they are decisions related to taking yourself out of danger.” [14:42] “Ayahuasca is not a shortcut for personal development—it's just a flashlight that can help you shed some light on some darker parts of [your] issues and problems, but it is not a shortcut.” [35:47] “The main contraindication of psychedelics is not wanting to take psychedelics. You should absolutely never ever ever ever ever take psychedelics if you don't want to because it is going to be horrible. It's like a kiss—when you want it, its beautiful, intimate, gorgeous; when you don't want it, it's the most intrusive, disgusting, blech thing ever.” [50:27]   Links: Jerónimo on Instagram Jerónimo on Facebook ICEERS Academy website ICEERS Academy on Instagram AyaSafety course  Previous episode: Guruism and Cult Dynamics in Psychedelic Practices with Joseph Holcomb Adams Previous episode: Can Psychedelics Lead to False Beliefs? with Hugh McGovern, PhD Psychedelic Medicine Association Porangui

Oscar Parés, experto en políticas de drogas, CEO del la Clínica Synaptica y subdirector de ICEERS, revela las raíces históricas de la prohibición global y cómo esta política ha servido como mecanismo de control social. Desde las Guerras del Opio hasta la ley seca en Estados Unidos, analiza cómo la fiscalización de sustancias responde a intereses políticos y no a criterios de salud pública.En esta fascinante entrevista, descubrirás:* Por qué solo hay tres plantas prohibidas a nivel mundial* Cómo la prohibición genera drogas más potentes y peligrosas* Qué países están liderando el cambio hacia modelos de regulación* El renacimiento de los psicodélicos como tratamiento para la salud mentalUna conversación reveladora que desafía todo lo que creías saber sobre las drogas y propone un nuevo enfoque basado en la evidencia científica y los derechos humanos.

¿Qué encontrarás en este episodio de "ConCiencia Criminal"? Fátima y Noelia conversan con Salvador Romero tras haber viajado sólo al Amazonas y allí consumir ayahuasca, y con Joel, que ya ha estado anteriormente en el podcast hablando de cannabis pero en esta ocasión nos trae sus conocimientos sobre plantas de poder y, en especial, la changa. 00:01:20 Presentación Joel - El tratamiento de las adicciones mediante las terapias alternativas y la Changa. 00:04:25 Presentación Salvador Romero - Viajar sólo por El Amazonas en búsqueda de un experiencia espiritual. 00:09:40 La ayahuasca como planta de poder y el DMT en la glándula pineal. 00:11:00 Los falsos chamanes y el impacto medioambiental. 00:12:30 ¿Sobredosis de DMT? La importancia de NO consumirlo con antidepresivos. 00:13:55 La ayahuasca como purga 00:15:35 Llegar a ciertos estados SIN plantas de poder 00:17:15 ¿Alucinaciones o percepción ampliada? 00:18:45 La historia del DMT y las diferentes preparaciones 00:30:00 Sensaciones al consumir changa 00:33:00 ¿Sobredosis de ayahuasca? 00:34:10 ¿Qué es la changa? 00:38:45 Viajar hasta El Amazonas, encontrar un buen chamán y vivir la experiencia. 00:53:00 El trabajo chamánico siberiano - el animal de poder 00:58:00 La importancia de la psicología en los rituales y meditaciones. 01:00:00 Alucinaciones, pseodoalucinaciones, visiones, percepciones... 01:06:10 ¿Cómo se consume el sapo bufo? 01:08:00 Diferentes tipos de rapé (tabaco) según la tribu 01:10:00 Leyendas del Amazonas y nahuales africanos. 01:12:00 Turismo espiritual - la destrucción de entornos y las estafas económicas. 01:16:50 Recomendaciones si vas a consumir ayahuasca / changa o buscar alguna experiencia similar (KAP, yoga Kundalini, sesiones con chamanes...) ¡No te lo pierdas! Enlaces de interes: Encuentra a Salvador Romero en https://www.instagram.com/salvador_romero_c/ o en su blog: https://salvaxelmundo.blogspot.com/ A Joel en https://www.instagram.com/jouhache/ y para cualquier consulta sobre CBD https://www.instagram.com/sensitive_cbd/ Para información sobre ayahuasca y otras sustancias, aparte de nuestras redes hemos mencionado a https://consumoconciencia.org/2016/11/24/dmt/ y fundación Iceers https://www.iceers.org/es/ayahuasca/ Y échale un vistazo a nuestras redes @ConCienciaCriminal, tenemos un curso sobre toxicología forense que igual te interesa

"No dejes de buscar tu propio camino, repetar todo y agradecer todo para encontrar tus propias respuestas" - Natalia Algarín. En junio de 2023 Isra asistió al congreso Psychedelic Science 2023 organizado por MAPS, fue en Denver (Colorado). Isra fue previamente invitado por la Asociación Multidisciplinar de Estudios Psicodélicos (MAPS) como podcaster especializado para habla hispana y también como representante de Psilocibina Ciencia y Experiencia, plataforma divulgativa sobre psicodélicos. Durante estos días, Isra realizó diferentes entrevistas a expertos en el campo de los psicodélicos, pero además recogió historias y experiencias de algunos de los asistentes que iba encontrando. "España estuvo a punto de ser uno de los pioneros y referentes mundiales en el renacimiento psicodélicos allá por el año 2.000" - Antón Gómez Escolar. "Deja de lado lo que has escuchado o visto sobre los psicodélicos y fíjate en su evidencia en eficacia y seguridad" - Antón Gómez Escolar. En este podcast podrás encontrar el testimonio de 5 personas que cuentan su experiencia, perspectiva, motivaciones, propósito y enfoque sobre los psicodélicos. Una forma de proporcionar información para seguir acercando este tan desconocido y a veces malinterpretado y estigmatizado mundo de las sustancias psicodélicas. El propósito de Isra no es más que servir de puente para que cualquiera pueda conocer realmente qué está pasando en este renacer de los psicodélicos de la mano de los principales expertos y fuentes mundiales a los que el mismo Isra tiene acceso. "La medicina es algo muy importante para mí, pero en este momento de mi vida, la medicina que yo ejerzo no es suficiente para mí, creo que hay otros tipos de medicinas que son más importantes para sanar cuerpo y alma" - Elisabeth Fabián. Índice de contenidos y qué aprenderás en este episodio Introducción y contexto Adriana Correa: descubrimientos, atajos mentales, estudios, y psicodélicos para transformar la consciencia. Antón Gómez Escolar: psicodélicos 101, la Drogopedia, el renacimiento, estrategia,  momentos estelares, el uso de los psicodélicos como medicamento aprobado, la psicoterapia con el uso asistido de psicodélicos, y la ignorancia sobre las drogas. Eduardo Pinto: cambiar la interpretación del dolor, los psicodélicos vs la fibromialgia y volver a sentir. Elisabeth Fabián: más allá de la cirugía y la medicina convencional, otras formas de sanar cuerpo y alma, el poder de las comunidades y los psicodélicos como medicina que apoya otro tipo de crecimiento más allá de curar síntomas, hábitos y habilidades que ayudan. Natalia Algarín: combinar lo que te salva la vida con lo que haces a diario, la psilocibina en uso personal contra la ansiedad y depresión, la disciplina como terapia, el neurofeedback, el orgullo de la familia y sentir el reto. Feedback y final. "Todos los que están aquí sentados, están arriesgando su reputación para salvar a otros con los psicodélicos" - Rick Perry, ex-gobernador de Texas. Notas y recursos del podcast "Atajos Mentales" - Adriana Correa podcast. Adriana Correa Instagram. Antón Gómez Escolar LinkedIn. Amanda Feilding. Guía Esencial del Renacimiento Psicodélico - libro. Rick Doblin entrevista. ICEERS. Alexander Shulgin. Robin Carhart-Harriss. La Drogopedia de Antón. Cómo Cambiar tu Mente - libro. Mujeres Psicodélicas - podcast. Eduardo Pinto LinkedIn. Elisabeth Fabian Instagram. Cristina Duncan - LinkedIn. El Neurofeedback. Natalia Algarín - X. "He pasado de dolor a no dolor, y a sentir, perdí a mis amigos, comencé a socializar, recuperé las relaciones con mis hijos, mi padre... Abran su mente un poco con los psicodélicos, investiguen, todos hemos sacado algo bueno, incluso teniendo un mal viaje" - Eduardo Pinto. Podcast Ciencia Psicodélica: 5 historias y experiencias de 5 personas sobre psicodélicos en Psychedelic Science 2023.

For this time around the dark nights of the winter solstice - at least in the northern hemisphere - we've been exploring more of an inner landscape - being reflexive with Nathalie and Della, and before that, exploring the living myths of our land and how we can ground them in our current reality with Angharad Wynne. And this week, we're heading inward and outward, travelling to Peru with Dr Simon Ruffell, psychiatrist, ayahuasca researcher and student of Shipobo curanderismo. Since 2016, Simon has been working closely with Indigenous communities in the Amazon basin, exploring the effects of ayahuasca and the role of ceremony and spirit in healing. As you'll hear in the conversation that follows, Simon manages to bridge between the world of western science and the older world of indigenous spirit with extraordinary integrity, humour and a grounded. commitment to the traditions he's learning that feels wholly authentic. He's experiencing the depths of ancient teaching and exploring the leading edge of modern science, delving into epigenetics, the microbiome and neuroplasticity. As we rest in the cusp of the dark nights, that time of reflection and renewal, I wanted to bring you something that felt as if it spoke deeply to the ethos of Accidental Gods, and I couldn't imagine anything better. So people of the podcast, please welcome, Dr Simon Ruffell. Simon's personal website https://www.drsimonruffell.com/Simon's Onaya website https://Onaya.ioWebsite for donations https://onaya.science ICEERS https://www.iceers.org/Simon on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/simon-ruffell-27bba0191/Simon on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/simon.ruffell Simon on Twitter https://twitter.com/sgdruffellOnayaScience on Twitter https://twitter.com/Onaya_Science

Esto es GENTE INTERESANTE. Soy Oriol Roda y hoy entrevisto a Dr. José Carlos Bouso, un psicólogo clínico y farmacólogo que ha cruzado fronteras en la investigación de sustancias que alteran la mente, como el MDMA y la Ibogaína.Los psicodélicos están viviendo una revolución en el mundo científico y social. Para sumergirme en este fascinante y polémico universo, he decidido arrancar una serie de episodios donde exploraré todas las substancias psicoactivas que están revolucionando el mundo de la terapia. En este primer episodio de la serie hablo con un experto que ha desafiado las normas y la percepción generalizada sobre estas sustancias.El Dr. Bouso es una voz pionera en el renacimiento de la psicofarmacología psicodélica. Hace 20 años inició el primer estudio clínico sobre el uso terapéutico del MDMA para el estrés post traumático que, por desgracia, fue cancelado por el miedo de los políticos. 20 años después se ha demostrado que este tratamiento es el más eficaz que existe y EEUU, Australia, Canadá y muchos otros países ya han aprobado su uso. Pero José Carlos no desfalleció en su interés y pasó a investigar la ayahuasca y muchas otras sustancias psicoactivas llegando a publicar más de 140 artículos científicos. El Dr. Bouso es además un ávido divulgador y ha publicado los libros Cannabis medicinal, Historia general de las drogas, Ayahuasca y salud e hizo la introducción del libro LSD. Cómo descubrí el ácido y qué pasó después en el mundo de Albert Hofmann.Cómo veis estamos ante una auténtica eminencia en el tema y esto queda bien demostrado en la entrevista.En este episodio, navegamos por la rica historia de los psicodélicos, desde la fascinante conexión entre Papá Noel y la amanita buscaría hasta el increíble descubrimiento del LSD y la profunda transformación social que causó. Profundizamos en el intrigante papel del MDMA en terapia, la promesa de la Ibogaína contra las adicciones y las tensiones modernas en torno al uso de psicodélicos en la sociedad contemporánea. Prepárate para un viaje que desafía tus preconcepciones y abre puertas a nuevas posibilidades.Por cierto, este es un episodio largo donde tratamos muchos temas en profundidad. En las notas del episodio he dejado bien detallado de que tratamos en cada parte.Y después de esta larga introducción, te dejo con el Dr. José Carlos Bouso y “El despertar de los psicodélicos”, justo después de unas palabras del patrocinador del podcast.Este episodio viene de la mano de Eleva DeskSiempre estoy buscando herramientas y tácticas que mejoren mi rendimiento y salud y hace muchos años que descubrí que trabajar de pie aumentaba dramáticamente mi productividad y bienestar.La ciencia lo dice claramente: hay pocas cosas peores para nuestra salud que estar 8 horas apoltronados en una silla delante el ordenador. Es lo que comúnmente llamamos la epidemia del sedentarismo.Pero, seamos sinceros, es difícil cambiar hábitos. Yo mismo tenía una plataforma para elevar mis pantallas, pero era un engorro y no la usaba suficiente. El resultado: 8 horas sentado cada día, tensión en la espalda, dolor de cadera y esa sensación de estar fofo.Por eso, cuando descubrí Eleva Desk no me lo pensé ni un momento. Les encargué una mesa elevable y todo cambió. Ahora paso más del 50% de mi tiempo de escritorio de pie y estoy descubriendo todo un mundo de pequeños ejercicios y estiramientos que pudo hacer mientras trabajo o hago una videollamada y que me permiten estar más activo. Y no solo obtengo beneficios físicos. Mentalmente me siento más despierto, enérgico y productivo.Y lo mejor de todo, es que Eleva Desk es una empresa española, de aquí, de casa, que produce estas mesas maravillosas. Para mí, ha sido un auténtico descubrimiento, un game changer.Así tú, como yo, quieres mejorar tu espacio de trabajo, ganar productividad y de sentirte mejor cada día, te recomiendo que le eches un vistazo a Eleva Desk. Porque a veces, un pequeño cambio en nuestra rutina puede tener un impacto enorme en nuestra vida.Puedes explorar las mesas de Eleva Desk aquí. ¡Por cierto! Me han comentado que este octubre ofrecen un 15% de descuento en todos sus productos.y si pones el cupón ORIOLRODA junto y en mayúsculas tendrás un 10% de descuento

Hey everybody! Episode 113 of the show is out. In this episode, I spoke with my friends Brian James and Adam Aronovich. I met both of them when we all worked together at a big plant medicine center in the Peruvian Amazon. I interviewed both of them separately in previous episodes, Brian in episode 30 and Adam in episode 55, so you can check those out for a more in-depth look at them both. I have been impressed with both their abilities to speak out on more mainstream narratives that are happening in the psychedelic and plant-medicine movements. I think there are many narratives that gain traction and are not often questioned, and I respect both Brian and Adam for their ability to look at issues through different lenses to get closer to a wider truth. Two issues that I think that have been arising in this regard are the psychologizing of the plant-medicine world and the world at large. And the second is the over-emphasis on trauma. While both of these topics have validity and importance and a place in this work, they are but a part, and an over-emphasis on both can be an amputation of sorts of the wider use of plant-medicines and create downstream problems that many don't consider. So it was a real pleasure and a bit of an experiment having this panel. I think it went really well and we went pretty deep on these issues which I think are quite important topics. So I feel confident you all will get a lot out of this episode and the wisdom of Adam and Brian. As always, to support this podcast, get early access to shows, bonus material, and Q&As, check out my Patreon page below. Enjoy!This episode is sponsored by Real Mushrooms. As listeners, visit their website to enjoy a discount of 25% off your first order: https://www.realmushrooms.com/universe"Adam is a doctoral candidate focusing on Medical Anthropology and Cultural Psychiatry. He is an active member of the Medical Anthropology Research Center (MARC) and part of the Ayahuasca Community Committee at the Chacruna Institute for Psychedelic Plant Medicines. In the last four years he has conducted extensive fieldwork in the Peruvian Amazon, where he has been doing qualitative research in collaboration with ICEERS, the Beckley Foundation, and, more recently, the Centre for Psychedelic Studies at Imperial College, where he is also a visiting student. Beyond his work conducting and coordinating research, Adam facilitated workshops in the Peruvian Amazon and he regularly facilitates workshops in Mexico. He is also a process facilitator and integration support coach in private practice, the co-host of the upcoming podcast "Healing from the Healing Path", and the co-founder of Hidden Hand Media, a creative agency in the space of transformation and technology.” For more info about Adam and his work, visit: https://www.healingfromhealing.com“Brian James is a transformational coach, yoga teacher, musician and shamanic practitioner currently living Vancouver Island, Canada with his wife Debbie and their dog Kingston. A lifelong musician, artist, and curious seeker, Brian began exploring yoga and plant medicines over twenty-five years ago. After a crisis in his mid-thirties — burned out from his job in advertising and struggling with stress, anxiety and addiction — he began his own healing journey in earnest. He's spent the last decade learning from master teachers and exploring in greater depth the medicine paths of yoga, music, shamanism and psychology. He shares conversations with some of the teachers he's met on the Medicine Path Podcast and has written two books: Yoga & Plant Medicine, published in 2019, and Harmonic Movement, a vinyasa yoga practice manual.Since 2012, Brian has dedicated his life to sharing the healing power of yoga and music, and has taught around the world — from Shanghai, China to the heart of the Amazon jungle. He regularly teaches group classes and workshops and works 1-to-1 with individuals, helping them develop a personal practice and supporting them in recovering a sense of wholeness and freedom. “For more info about Brian and his work, visit: brianjames.caIf you enjoy the show, it would be a big help if you could share it with your own audiences via social media or word of mouth. And please Subscribe or Follow and if you can go on Apple Podcasts and leave a starred-rating and a short review. That would be super helpful with the algorithms and getting this show out to more people. Thank you in advance!For more information about me and my upcoming plant medicine retreats with my colleague Merav Artzi, visit my site at: https://www.NicotianaRustica.orgTo book an integration call with me, visit: https://jasongrechanik.setmore.comSupport this podcast on Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/UniverseWithinDonate directly with PayPal:https://www.paypal.me/jasongrechanikMusic courtesy of: Nuno Moreno (end song). Visit: https://m.soundcloud.com/groove_a_zen_sound and https://nahira-ziwa.bandcamp.com/ And Stefan Kasapovski's Santero Project (intro song). Visit: https://spoti.fi/3y5Rd4Hhttps://www.facebook.com/UniverseWithinPodcasthttps://www.instagram.com/UniverseWithinPodcast

This episode features Jeronimo MM of ICEERS Foundation and explores the potential dangers and pitfalls present for ayahuasca/plant medicine facilitators in non-traditional contexts. Dangers specific to the facilitators, that Jeronimo refers to as The 6 Pitfalls: Sex, Money, Power, Intercultural Relationships, and Legal Situations. We also do a deep dive into what a “non-traditional context” is and two potential harms that might come up for participants, namely “when the experience is too much” and “Ayahuasca told me that…” To use Jeronimo's words from the interview you are about to hear, this episode explores “How to avoid harming people who have put themselves under your care” We welcome Jeronimo back to Adventures Through The Mind for his fourth feature. His previous episodes were a dedicated interview on the complexity of the ongoing mainstreaming of psychedelics and the others were psychedelic cafes on how to protect from corporate influence and bad actors in the psychedelic scene, and the importance of ethnopharmacology for the future of humanity. If you are a plant medicine facilitator of any kind or know facilitators, this episode is definitely for you. However, this episode will be relevant to anyone interested in participating in any kind of plant medicine ceremony. As the dangers presented, facilitators are also dangers present to participants under those facilitators' care. Having a sense of what they are in advance empowers your capacity to better navigate the often murky world of underground facilitation. ... Importantly, this episode is a vignette into a portion of the 6-month course Jeronimo is putting on through ICEERS titled Increasing the Safety of Ayahuasca Sessions: A harm reduction course for facilitators in non-traditional contexts. The course begins on May 8 and the admission process ends on April 27. Meaning there is little time left to sign up, if you feel called to do so. More details (along with a video version of this interview) are available at bit.ly/ATTMind174 Or you can jump right over to the course page by heading to http://iceers.academy/ *** FULL TOPICS BREAKDOWN BELOW** ***Featured image is courtesy of and copyright iceers.academy 2023   SUPPORT THE PODCAST Patreon: https://patreon.com/jameswjesso Paypal Donation: https://www.paypal.com/biz/fund?id=383635S3BKJVS Merchandise:  https://www.jameswjesso.com/shop/ More Options: https://www.jameswjesso.com/support Newsletter:  https://www.jameswjesso.com/newsletter Telgram Channel:  https://t.me/jameswjesso *** Extra BIG thanks to my patrons on Patreon for helping keep this podcast alive! Especially my $23+ patrons, Andreas D, Ian C, Yvette FC, Alex F, Eliz C, Nick M, Joe A, Nanci BF, & Heartwood Mushrooms ——    Episode Breakdown (0:00) Opening (7:01) Increasing the Safety of Ayahuasca Sessions Course (7:50) Patron thanks (9:11)) Interview Begins (10:21) A harm reduction course for Facilitators in non-traditional contexts. (14:31) Why non-traditonal use contexts for ayahuasca require additional protocols to protect participants and facilitators (20:03) Dangers for participants: when the experience is too much, flight-response, disassociation, psychosis (29:18) The fine line between when to let difficult experiences unfold naturally and when to intervene (38:21) How to protect an ayahuasca participant from falling into disassociation (42:18) The dangers of "Ayahuasca told me that..." (50:15) Discerning between internal and external truths as a part of psychedelic integration (54:57) The 3 confirmations rule for psychedelic realizations (57:01) The 6 pitfalls for ayahuasca/plat medicine facilitators | Sex, Money, Power, Isolation, Intercultural Relationships, Legal situations (59:34) How the social structure of being an ayahuasca faciliator can push them into these pitfalls (1:10:11) The Pitfall of Money | the importance of payment, but the manipulations that can occur through payment (1:12:42) “Ayahuasca told me…” sex, love, and relationships (1:21:37) Its nice to be celebrated, but eventually it becomes a poison (1:27:31) The pitfall of “Intercultural Relationships” | relationships between non-traditional facilitators and traditional cultures (1:38:54) “How to avoid harming people who have put themselves under your care” | freedom vs responsibility (1:43:47) Follow-up links for the ICEERS course. (1:44:54) Closing

Hey everybody! Episode 109 of the show is out. In this episode, I spoke with Jerónimo Mazarrasa. This is Jerónimo's second time on this podcast. Jerónimo works for a great organization called ICEERS (International Center for Ethnobotanical Education, Research and Service). He came on this episode to speak about a new course that ICEERS is offering about harm reduction for facilitators of plant medicines in a non-traditional context. As this plant medicine work expands to the world at large, I think organizations like ICEERS play a crucial role in bridging traditions, bringing awareness and education, and offering support and assistance to practitioners as well as participants. I have a lot of respect for their organization and the work that they do, as well as their staff. Marc Aixalà and Irene Pérez, who both work for ICEERS, have also been on this podcast. I really enjoyed my last conversation with Jerónimo and was happy to have him on again to share about this new work. I think he speaks very well from a place of experience, wisdom, knowledge, humility, and as a bridgekeeper, and I trust you all will gain a lot from this episode. As always, to support this podcast, get early access to shows, bonus material, and Q&As, check out my Patreon page below. Enjoy!This episode is sponsored by Real Mushrooms. As listeners, visit their website to enjoy a discount of 25% off your first order: https://www.realmushrooms.com/universe"Jerónimo M.M. is an ayahuasca community activist and independent researcher. He has produced and written two documentaries about ayahuasca. The first about the Brazilian Ayahuasca churches, the second about the use of Ayahuasca in the treatment of drug addiction. In the last 20 years he has travelled extensively through South America, researching a broad range of Ayahuasca practices, and has lectured internationally on ayahuasca tourism and the appropriation of indigenous knowledge. He works as Social Innovation Coordinator for the ICEERS Foundation, and is a founding member of the Plantaforma (Platform for the Defense of Ayahuasca in Spain) in the last 5 years he has devoted most of his energy to figure out how ceremonial plant practices can be integrated outside of their cultures of origin. He curates a list of ayahuasca news, a facebook account, and a blog." For more info about Jerónimo and his work, view above links or visit: https://www.iceers.org/And for the direct link to the course, with sign-up ending April 27, visit: https://iceersacademy.mykajabi.com/ayasafety-enIf you enjoy the show, it would be a big help if you could share it with your own audiences via social media or word of mouth. And please Subscribe or Follow and if you can go on Apple Podcasts and leave a starred-rating and a short review. That would be super helpful with the algorithms and getting this show out to more people. Thank you in advance!For more information about me and my upcoming plant medicine retreats with my colleague Merav Artzi, visit my site at: https://www.NicotianaRustica.orgTo book an integration call with me, visit: https://jasongrechanik.setmore.comSupport this podcast on Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/UniverseWithinDonate directly with PayPal:https://www.paypal.me/jasongrechanikMusic courtesy of: Nuno Moreno (end song). Visit: https://m.soundcloud.com/groove_a_zen_sound and https://nahira-ziwa.bandcamp.com/ And Stefan Kasapovski's Santero Project (intro song). Visit: https://spoti.fi/3y5Rd4Hhttps://www.facebook.com/UniverseWithinPodcasthttps://www.instagram.com/UniverseWithinPodcast

In the second of two Barcelona specials we focus on Malta, the first European country to legalize cannabis. We welcome two Maltese in our Barcelona AirBnB studio who know more than anyone about cannabis in the island state: drug-policy researcher Karen Mamo and ReLeaf Malta chairman Andrew Bonello. This NGO plays a pivotal role in the reforms. Just before we recorded this episode, Karen started working for the Authority for the Responsible Use of Cannabis (ARUC), the Maltese government agency responsible for the legalization. We talk about their motivation, the ins and outs of the Maltese regulation and the cannabis social club study tour organized by ICEERS, that they followed in the days leading up to Spannabis 2023. If you want to know what's really going on with cannabis on Malta, don't miss this episode!

En entrevista con Pamela Cerdeira, para MVS Noticias, Natalia Rebollo, abogada y defensora de todos los indígenas en ICEERS habló del caso de José Campos, curandero procesado por viajar con Ayahuasca.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We are delighted to welcome Jerónimo M.M. back to mangu.tv for an episode of psychedelic confessions. Jerónimo is the social innovations director for the ICEERS foundation, his work is focused on integrating plant medicine into western society. He is fascinated by the fact that the same plants can be a blessing in some societies and a curse in others, and works to safely integrate medicinal plants into western civilisation with the same value and respect as in their cultures of origin. Jerónimo speaks about his introduction to the world of mind-altering substances, the first of those being cannabis. He discusses the positive impact this had on his creativity and the moment the rose-tinted spectacles fell off, so to speak. He then delves into MDMA and LSD, with stories that follow a similar suit of awe and then eventual disinterest before reaching Ayahuasca and Coca leaf in their indigenous contexts, which led him to the work he is doing today. Giancarlo and Jerónimo discuss mystical and transformative experiences. Jerónimo talks through personal experiences and discusses how looking at the culture of origin for psychedelic medicines can help to unlock their most beneficial and least harmful uses.

Today I speak with Marc Aixalà, an author and psychologist practicing in Barcelona, whose work sits at the intersection of psychotherapy, altered states and the facilitation of psychedelic integration. Having originally worked as a Telecommunications Engineer, Marc went on to become a Licensed Health Psychologist, Psychotherapist and Holotropic Breathwork facilitator, and he served as a team leader and trainer in emergency psychological assistance at Boom Festival through the Kosmicare harm reduction program. Since 2013 he has coordinated support services at the International Center for Ethnobotanical Education, Research and Service (ICEERS), and he worked on the first-ever medical trial on the use of psilocybin for treatment-resistant depression, a study chronicled in the 2018 documentary, “Magic Medicine.” During his time at ICEERS, he provided integration psychotherapy sessions for people going through challenging situations after experiencing transformative non-ordinary states of consciousness. This work led him to develop theoretical models of intervention which I'm excited to say he has shared in the publication of his new book: Psychedelic Integration: Psychotherapy for Non-Ordinary States of Consciousness. Tracing the evolution of psychedelic-assisted therapy and integration research from the 1960s to the present, this book offers different models of integration and practical therapeutic techniques, and it documents Marc's real-world observations on the deep work of healing and self-discovery. Recorded on 15th Nov 2022.

Hey everybody! Episode 98 of the show is out. In this episode, I spoke with Marc Aixalà. Marc is a psychotherapist and has worked in collaboration with a very good organization called ICEERS (International Center for Ethnobotanical Education, Research and Service). ICEERS worked in collaboration with a large ayahuasca center where I worked for many years (the Temple of the Way of Light) doing research on the therapeutic benefits of ayahuasca. We share a mutual friend, Irene Perez (who I interviewed in episode 36), who was doing the research on the ground for ICEERS. Marc recently published a book called Psychedelic Integration: Psychotherapy for Non-Ordinary States of Consciousness. It was great for me to sit down and talk with Marc as he is doing really good work in this field. As this emerging field of psychedelic therapy becomes more common, voices like Marc and resources such as his book are a vital part of how this work will be integrated and accepted into society. I hope and trust you all will get a lot out of this interview and the wisdom Marc shares. As always, to support this podcast, get early access to shows, bonus material, and Q&As, check out my Patreon page below. Enjoy!“Marc B. Aixalà is a telecommunications engineer, psychologist, psychotherapist and certified Holotropic Breathwork facilitator specializing in supporting people who face challenging experiences with expanded states of consciousness. Since 2013, in collaboration with the International Center for Ethnobotanical Education, Research and Service (ICEERS), Aixalá has offered integration psychotherapy sessions for those seeking support after psychedelic experiences. At ICEERS, Aixalà also works to develop theoretical models of intervention and trains and supervises therapists.Aixalà has served as a team leader and trainer in emergency psychological assistance at Boom Festival through the Kosmicare harm reduction program. He also worked on the first-ever medical trial on the use of psilocybin for treatment-resistant depression, a study chronicled in the 2018 documentary, “Magic Medicine.” He continues to work as a therapist in clinical trials researching psychedelic substances.Aixalà is trained in the therapeutic use of Non-Ordinary States of Consciousness as well as in MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for post-traumatic stress disorder ( PTSD) by the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS). Aixalà works as a psychologist in his private practice in Barcelona, Spain and offers trainings, lectures, and talks related to psychedelic psychotherapy and integration.”To learn more about or contact Marc, visit his website at: http://www.marcaixala.com/To purchase his book, visit: https://amzn.to/3CPrHnu or https://synergeticpress.com/catalog/psychedelic-integration-psychotherapy-for-non-ordinary-states-of-consciousness/If you enjoy the show, it would be a big help if you could share it with your own audiences via social media or word of mouth. And please Subscribe or Follow and if you can go on Apple Podcasts and leave a starred-rating and a short review. That would be super helpful with the algorithms and getting this show out to more people. Thank you in advance!For more information about me and my upcoming plant medicine retreats with my colleague Merav Artzi, visit my site at: https://www.NicotianaRustica.orgTo book an integration call with me, visit: https://jasongrechanik.setmore.comSupport this podcast on Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/UniverseWithinDonate directly with PayPal:https://www.paypal.me/jasongrechanikMusic courtesy of: Nuno Moreno (end song). Visit: https://m.soundcloud.com/groove_a_zen_sound and https://nahira-ziwa.bandcamp.com/ And Stefan Kasapovski's Santero Project (intro song). Visit: https://spoti.fi/3y5Rd4Hhttps://www.facebook.com/UniverseWithinPodcasthttps://www.instagram.com/UniverseWithinPodcast

In this episode of the Plant Medicine Podcast, Adam Aronovich returns to discuss the phenomenon of psychedelic narcissism. Adam is a doctoral candidate at the Universitat Rovira i Virgili in Spain, focusing on Medical Anthropology and Cultural Psychiatry. He is an active member of the Medical Anthropology Research Center (MARC) and part of the Ayahuasca Community Committee at the Chacruna Institute for Psychedelic Plant Medicines. In the last four years he has conducted extensive fieldwork in the Peruvian Amazon, where he has been doing qualitative research in collaboration with ICEERS, the Beckley Foundation, and, more recently, the Centre for Psychedelic Studies at Imperial College. Beyond his work conducting and coordinating research, Adam regularly facilitates workshops at the Temple of the Way of Light, a prestigious healing center in the Iquitos area. In this wide-ranging conversation, Adam unpacks some of the darker sides of the modern psychedelic movement, discussing the psychosocial dynamics around psychedelic use which can lead to things such as ego inflation, conspiratorial thinking, and narcissism. Adam recalls his own experiences slipping into messianic fantasies during a period of initial enthusiasm around psychedelic experiences. He views issues of alienation and lack of social support as being instrumental in leading to these types of delusions following profound spiritual experiences. While it is difficult to reach people who've slipped into psychedelic narcissism, Adam suggests that communal support is the best safeguard against these dangers and the most effective strategy for grounding people who've lost touch with reality. Drawing on his academic expertise, Adam distinguishes traditional uses of plant medicines from the Western paradigm for approaching psychedelics. He stresses the relational and communal aspects of the spiritual traditions which use psychedelics ceremonially. The pro-social aspects of these wisdom traditions, he claims, help safeguard against the traps of psychedelic narcissism and ego inflation, as there are established mechanisms for keeping people grounded following intense spiritual experiences.  Adam closes the discussion with an insightful analysis of modern gurus and self-proclaimed shamans. Adam encourages people to beware of deeply held spiritual fantasies, where a master can appear as more than human. Instead, he emphasizes that even skillful and well-intentioned healers are themselves nothing more than human beings, so there will always be imperfection and messiness. This does not, however, mean that impactful work cannot happen—in fact, this insight helps protect against the idolization of charismatic psychedelic personalities, which can lead to harmful experiences.   In this episode: Defining psychedelic narcissism Clinical vs colloquial understandings of narcissism The intersections of the psychedelic movement and conspiracy theories The importance of social and communal support for avoiding ego inflation following psychedelic or spiritual experiences How psychedelic experiences can actually deepen ego attachments and accentuate narcissistic tendencies The importance of humor in combating spiritual narcissism   Quotes: “Many of the underlying ideologies upon which Western cultures were built, like hyper-individualism and so on, kind of predispose us and prime us for certain aspects of narcissism.” [5:36] “Ego inflation, spiritual narcissism, messianic episodes—all of these are things that are fairly common within both people who are in some sort of spiritual or psychedelic path.” [12:17] “In traditional societies for the most part really there isn't such a thing as a self-proclaimed shaman. A person doesn't wake up one morning and is like ‘oh, I'm the shaman'—that's a title or a role or a recognition given to that person by the community.” [38:03] “The best measure of whether somebody is genuine and helpful is not whatever credentials or titles he assigns to himself, but rather what other people feel. So, you know, you will know a tree by its fruits.” [45:08] “Having these experiences by themselves does not necessarily mean spiritual growth or psychological development or any enhanced benefit if we're not constantly, painfully, mindful of how we actually integrate and embody those things in daily life over very long periods of time.” [54:29]   Links: Adam on Instagram Temple of the Way of Light Psychedelic Medicine Association Porangui

As psychedelics become increasingly popular in the US and beyond, it's imperative that new businesses honor, protect, and profit-share with the indigenous communities who are stewards of these medicines. Today on the show, Jesse Hudson, Chief Legal Officer at Woven Science explains the recent policy paper from Woven's nonprofit El Puente which focuses on reparations, education, preservation, and inclusion for indigenous wisdom keepers. We begin with Jesse's early work with ICEERS' Ayahuasca Defense Fund (ADF) and the case for religious freedom. We discuss the importance of corporate social responsibility in psychedelic medicine and some examples of organizations which are doing it well. Jesse shares El Puente's recent policy paper including the four pillars of biocultural conservation, appellations of origin, regulatory sandboxes, and financial sharing. We conclude our conversation with the value for psychedelic businesses of preserving, protecting, and giving voice to indigenous communities. Jesse Hudson has worked in the psychedelic space for 15 years as a lawyer, consultant, and advisor for organizations including ICEERS' Ayahuasca Defense Fund, Chacruna Institute, Enthea Health, Sage Institute, Journey Colab, and Vine Ventures. He is Chief Legal Officer at Woven Science, where he leads the non-profit El Puente, which promotes access and benefit-sharing with indigenous peoples and holds 10% of Woven's equity. Links Woven Science El Puente El Puente Policy Paper (English) El Puente Discord Channel "El Puente: an impact DAO" on Medium Woven Science Twitter Ayahuasca Defense Fund (ADF) Contact jessie@woven.science Timestamps :17 - ICEERS and ayahuasca defense fund (ADF) :21 - Woven Science and ecosystem approach :26 - Ethics in psychedelic business :43 - El Puente's Four Pillars: Biocultural conservation, appellations of origin, regulatory sandboxes, and financial sharing. :56 - Taxation and regulation exemptions for indigenous communities 1:03 - Financial benefits sharing, mandates, and ethics

We are excited to have Jerónimo Mazarrasa on the Mangu.tv podcast series. Jerónimo and Giancarlo delve into the past, present and future of ayahuasca, it has been Jerónimo's life mission is to optimize the way we will be allowed to consume the Amazonian concoction outside the jungle. Ayahuasca is a preparation (two plants cooked together), which is unlike many other familiar traditionally used psychoactive plants like peyote, magic mushrooms, or tobacco. We will never know exactly where, how or by whom the decoction originated, it was probably hundreds if not thousands of years ago and likely by indigenous Amazonian people, group, or even multiple indigenous people in different groups at the same time. There are around 70 indigenous groups that use ayahuasca in the Amazon. A few hundred years ago, it went from indigenous groups to urban populations in the jungle, expanding to the cities outside of the jungle and then into other countries. More recently in the last 20 or 30 years, it has expanded to the rest of the world. Nowadays you can find ayahuasca sessions in just about every country in the world. The call to take ayahuasca should not be taken lightly, and there is much to consider even though (and even more so) now that it is becoming more widely available. To hear more about these considerations and to find out more about Jerónimo's work with ICEERS, understanding the difference between the Brazilian, Colombian and Ecuadorian designs and the influence of African spirituality. Plus the importance of integration and how to make sense of what happened to you please listen to the full episode.

Hey everybody! Episode 70 of the show is out. In this episode, I spoke with Jerónimo Mazarrasa. Jerónimo is the Social Innovation Coordinator for ICEERS (International Center for Ethnobotanical Education, Research and Service). I was familiar with ICEERS as they collaborated with the Temple of the Way of Light, where I have worked, on one of the largest studies on the therapeutic use of ayahuasca. Jerónimo has been involved in this work for a long time and I really enjoyed this conversation. In fact, it is probably one of my favorites in terms of the topics covered, the knowledge shared, and the wisdom presented. We spoke about a number of topics from the history of ayahuasca, the different groups and ways it is used, how to navigate and think about its global spread, how to honor the traditions from which it came, and what the future of these medicines may resemble. I trust this episode will impart a lot of knowledge and thought and I felt I myself learned a lot from this dialogue. As always, to support this podcast, get early access to shows, bonus material, and Q&As, check out my Patreon page below. Enjoy!"Jerónimo M.M. is an ayahuasca community activist and independent researcher. He has produced and written two documentaries about ayahuasca. The first about the Brazilian Ayahuasca churches, the second about the use of Ayahuasca in the treatment of drug addiction. In the last 20 years he has travelled extensively through South America, researching a broad range of Ayahuasca practices, and has lectured internationally on ayahuasca tourism and the appropriation of indigenous knowledge. He works as Social Innovation Coordinator for the ICEERS Foundation, and is a founding member of the Plantaforma (Platform for the Defense of Ayahuasca in Spain) in the last 5 years he has devoted most of his energy to figure out how ceremonial plant practices can be integrated outside of their cultures of origin. He curates a list of ayahuasca news, a facebook account, and a blog." For more info about Jerónimo and his work, view above links or visit: https://www.iceers.org/This episode is sponsored by the Temple of the Way of Light: https://templeofthewayoflight.org/Share the show, Subscribe or Follow, and if you can go on Apple Podcasts and leave a starred-rating and a short review. That would be super helpful with the algorithms and getting this show out to more people. Thank you in advance!For more information about me and my upcoming plant medicine retreats with my colleague Merav Artzi, visit my site at: https://www.NicotianaRustica.orgTo support this podcast on Patreon, visit: https://www.patreon.com/UniverseWithinTo donate directly with PayPal: https://www.paypal.me/jasongrechanikMusic courtesy of: Nuno Moreno (end song). Visit: https://m.soundcloud.com/groove_a_zen_sound and https://nahira-ziwa.bandcamp.com/ And Stefan Kasapovski's Santero Project (intro song). Visit: https://spoti.fi/3y5Rd4Hhttps://www.facebook.com/UniverseWithinPodcasthttps://www.instagram.com/UniverseWithinPodcast

In this episode of HappyTalks, we interview Adam Aronovich and talk about his life, work and the differences in styles of treatments for mental health problems around the world. Adam is a doctoral candidate at the Universitat Rovira i Virgili in Spain, focusing on Medical Anthropology and Cultural Psychiatry. He is an active member of the Medical Anthropology Research Center (MARC) and part of the Ayahuasca Community Committee at the Chacruna Institute for Psychedelic Plant Medicines. In the last four years he has conducted extensive fieldwork in the Peruvian Amazon, where he has been doing qualitative research in collaboration with ICEERS, the Beckley Foundation, and, more recently, the Centre for Psychedelic Studies at Imperial College. Beyond his work conducting and coordinating research, Adam facilitated workshops in the Peruvian Amazon and he regularly facilitates workshops in Mexico. He is also a process facilitator and integration support coach in private practice. Dr. Alice Fong is a naturopathic doctor, known as the “Virtual Stress Doc,” and she helps busy professionals break free from stress, anxiety, and burnout without having to quit their jobs using a 5-step holistic approach. She is the founder of Amour de Soi Wellness and her mission is to help people discover self-love and happiness. She has given several talks around the country for healthcare providers, corporations, women's conferences and for the general public. Donovon Jenson is a software engineer in the Bay Area and the founder of howtohappy.com. He is a Utah native who has long been interested in human development and health. He double majored in psychology and health policy, and graduated Magna Cum Laude through the Honors College at the University of Utah. How to Happy strives to provide thoughtful and actionable insights on living a happier life. We believe happiness is the result of self-awareness, balance and a positive mindset, among a myriad of other things. Our goal is to inspire you to see life through a new lens by adding strategies and exercises to your toolbox, then encouraging you to take action. We are all capable of being happier, let's work together to find the best pathways to get there. Together we're out to cause more happiness in the world! Adam Aronovich https://www.facebook.com/adamandros https://www.instagram.com/adamandros/ https://twitter.com/AdamAndros Dr. Alice Fong http://www.dralicefong.com https://www.facebook.com/DrAliceFong/ https://www.instagram.com/dralicefong/ https://twitter.com/DrAliceFong https://www.youtube.com/dralicefong https://ios.joinclubhouse.com/@dralicefong Donovon Jenson https://howtohappy.com/ https://www.facebook.com/TheHowToHappy/ https://www.instagram.com/thehowtohappy/ https://twitter.com/TheHowToHappy https://www.youtube.com/HowtoHappy Michael Lira, Voice Actor Opening Credits Voice https://www.michaelapollolira.com/ Information on this video is provided for general educational purposes only and is not intended to constitute medical advice or counseling. #community #psychedelics --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/happytalks/support

Adam Aronovich is a doctoral candidate at the Universitat Rovira i Virgili in Spain, focusing on Medical Anthropology and Cultural Psychiatry. He is the Co-Founder and COO of Hidden Hand Media, and the Director of Therapy and Integration for Rē Precision Health. Adam is an active member of the Medical Anthropology Research Center (MARC) and part of the Ayahuasca Community Committee at the Chacruna Institute for Psychedelic Plant Medicines. In the last four years he has conducted extensive fieldwork in the Peruvian Amazon, where he has been doing qualitative research in collaboration with ICEERS, the Beckley Foundation, and, more recently, the Centre for Psychedelic Studies at Imperial College. Beyond his work conducting and coordinating research, Adam facilitated workshops in the Peruvian Amazon and he regularly facilitates workshops in Mexico. He is also a process facilitator and integration support coach in private practice. In his role as a workshop facilitator at the Temple of the Way of Light, an ayahuasca retreat center in the Amazon we met personally at the end of 2019. You'll hear Adam share some of the insights he has gained through his research, as well as personal experiences while working with different healing modalities like ayahuasca. A prevailing theme that emerges from his research is that the primary dimension of healing for most people is relational. We discuss the importance of the collective dimension of well-being, which is completely at odds with institutional approaches that focus only on the individual. And Adam explains why the healing process at a psychedelic retreat is a co-creative process that is shared rather than a passive process of becoming a consumer of a treatment that is handed to you. He describes how our stories and narratives influence our healing experience, which, according to his research, can be the biggest obstacle along a person's healing journey. On a more personal note, he shares how psychedelics have helped him with his own anxiety, enabling him to better contextualise whatever arises. You will also learn where most people in psychedelic work get stuck and how transgenerational trauma can affect our well-being. Finally, we talk about the reasons for our crisis of meaning in the Western world and how psychedelics can help to navigate a way between the needs of a system on the one hand and finding balance on one's own path on the other. I'm happy that Adam found the time to share his extensive knowledge on the topic with me. It brought back lots of memories and stories of my own first ayahuasca retreat in Peru where he served as a great facilitator and guide. To receive the latest episodes and updates on psychedelic retreats by mail every week, feel free to sign up for the newsletter. --------------------------------------- Connect with Adam on IG: @adamandros More about me: Coaching & Newsletter: https://www.alexanderfaubel.com Instagram: @alex_faubel @psychedelische_retreats

La invitada de la semana es la Dra. Raquel Peyraube, quien es entrevistada por Dra. Ericka Stahl, reconocida científica panameña y doctora con especialización en fitofármacos y cannabis medicinal. La Dra. Peyraube es Doctora en Medicina y especialista en Uso Problemático de Drogas, con formación en Psiquiatría, Toxicología, Psicoterapia Psicoanalítica, en temas de Infancia, Adolescencia y Exclusión social y cuenta con más de 28 años de experiencia. ExDirectora Clínica de ICEERS, en la actualidad es asesora ad hoc de la Secretaría Nacional de Drogas de Uruguay en la reforma de la política pública de drogas y del Instituto de Regulación y Control del Cannabis. Integra varios comités científicos internacionales y es miembro activo de la IACM (International Association for Cannabinoid Medicines). La Dra. Peyraube, fue nuevamente incluida en la revista Cannabis Newslette como parte de las 100 personas más influyentes del mundo en la industria del cannabis en la versión de 2021. Más aún, de acuerdo con la revista Forbes, es una de las 40 mujeres más influyentes en el cannabis medicinal. Actualmente, es directora del Diplomado en Endocannabinología, Cannabis y Cannabinoides en CEI-UNR. El podcast está conducido por Carlos Ossa en colaboración con Luris Higuera. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/fullspectrum/support

Hey everybody! Episode 55 of the show is out. In this episode, I spoke with my friend Adam Aronovich. Adam and I met in the Amazon jungle working at the plant medicine center, The Temple of the Way of Light, where he originally came down working on his doctoral thesis. He ended up living, studying, and working in the jungle for five years. I think Adam brings a really unique and important perspective to this work, being able to merge his academic work and observations with his time spent learning from plants and working as a facilitator with guests going through a ceremonial experience. This podcast ending up going quite long, over four hours, which I thought it may, but it's filled with a lot of insights, observations, and knowledge from Adam's time and life. It was a pleasure for me to catch up and converse with him and I think you all will gain a lot out of this episode. As always, to support this podcast, get early access to shows, bonus material, and Q&As, check out my Patreon page below. Enjoy!"Adam is a doctoral candidate focusing on Medical Anthropology and Cultural Psychiatry. He is an active member of the Medical Anthropology Research Center (MARC) and part of the Ayahuasca Community Committee at the Chacruna Institute for Psychedelic Plant Medicines. In the last four years he has conducted extensive fieldwork in the Peruvian Amazon, where he has been doing qualitative research in collaboration with ICEERS, the Beckley Foundation, and, more recently, the Centre for Psychedelic Studies at Imperial College, where he is also a visiting student. Beyond his work conducting and coordinating research, Adam facilitated workshops in the Peruvian Amazon and he regularly facilitates workshops in Mexico. He is also a process facilitator and integration support coach in private practice, the co-host of the upcoming podcast "Healing from the Healing Path", and the co-founder of Hidden Hand Media, a creative agency in the space of transformation and technology.”For more info about Adam and his work, visit: https://www.healingfromhealing.com and https://linktr.ee/adamandros and https://www.hiddenhandmedia.comThis episode of the show is sponsored by the Temple of the Way of Light. To learn more or sign up for a retreat, visit:https://templeofthewayoflight.org/Share the show, Subscribe or Follow, and if you can go on Apple Podcasts and leave a starred-rating and a short review. That would be super helpful with the algorithms and getting this show out to more people. Thank you in advance!For more information about me and my upcoming plant medicine retreats with my colleague Merav Artzi, visit my site at: https://www.NicotianaRustica.orgTo support this podcast on Patreon, visit: https://www.patreon.com/UniverseWithinTo donate directly with PayPal: https://www.paypal.me/jasongrechanikMusic courtesy of: Nuno Moreno (end song). Visit: https://m.soundcloud.com/groove_a_zen_sound and https://nahira-ziwa.bandcamp.com/ And Stefan Kasapovski's Santero Project (intro song). Visit: https://spoti.fi/3y5Rd4Hhttps://www.facebook.com/UniverseWithinPodcasthttps://www.instagram.com/UniverseWithinPodcast

La invitada de la semana es la Dra. Raquel Peyraube, quien es entrevistada por Dra. Ericka Stahl, reconocida científica panameña y doctora con especialización en fitofármacos y cannabis medicinal. La Dra. Peyraube es Doctora en Medicina y especialista en Uso Problemático de Drogas, con formación en Psiquiatría, Toxicología, Psicoterapia Psicoanalítica, en temas de Infancia, Adolescencia y Exclusión social y cuenta con más de 28 años de experiencia. ExDirectora Clínica de ICEERS, en la actualidad es asesora ad hoc de la Secretaría Nacional de Drogas de Uruguay en la reforma de la política pública de drogas y del Instituto de Regulación y Control del Cannabis. Integra varios comités científicos internacionales y es miembro activo de la IACM (International Association for Cannabinoid Medicines). La Dra. Peyraube, fue nuevamente incluida en la revista Cannabis Newslette como parte de las 100 personas más influyentes del mundo en la industria del cannabis en la versión de 2021. Más aún, de acuerdo con la revista Forbes, es una de las 40 mujeres más influyentes en el cannabis medicinal. Actualmente, es directora del Diplomado en Endocannabinología, Cannabis y Cannabinoides en CEI-UNR. El podcast está conducido por Carlos Ossa en colaboración con Luris Higuera. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/fullspectrum/support

La Fundación ICEERS (International Center for Ethnobotanical Education, Research & Service) es una organización sin ánimo de lucro y de utilidad pública dedicada a la integración de plantas de uso tradicional (etnobotánicas) como herramientas terapéuticas en la sociedad actual El estudio y promoción de políticas públicas basadas en evidencias científicas y derechos humanos. Así como a la preservación de las culturas indígenas donde se han usado estas plantas desde la antigüedad, de su hábitat y de su conocimiento botánico. Descarga gratuitamente el informe técnico sobre ayahuasca de ICEERS: https://www.iceers.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/ICEERS_Ayahuasca2020_report.pdf

In this episode of the Plant Medicine Podcast, Adam Aronovich returns to discuss the phenomenon of psychedelic narcissism. Adam is a doctoral candidate at the Universitat Rovira i Virgili in Spain, focusing on Medical Anthropology and Cultural Psychiatry. He is an active member of the Medical Anthropology Research Center (MARC) and part of the Ayahuasca Community Committee at the Chacruna Institute for Psychedelic Plant Medicines. In the last four years he has conducted extensive fieldwork in the Peruvian Amazon, where he has been doing qualitative research in collaboration with ICEERS, the Beckley Foundation, and, more recently, the Centre for Psychedelic Studies at Imperial College. Beyond his work conducting and coordinating research, Adam regularly facilitates workshops at the Temple of the Way of Light, a prestigious healing center in the Iquitos area. In this wide-ranging conversation, Adam unpacks some of the darker sides of the modern psychedelic movement, discussing the psychosocial dynamics around psychedelic use which can lead to things such as ego inflation, conspiratorial thinking, and narcissism. Adam recalls his own experiences slipping into messianic fantasies during a period of initial enthusiasm around psychedelic experiences. He views issues of alienation and lack of social support as being instrumental in leading to these types of delusions following profound spiritual experiences. While it is difficult to reach people who’ve slipped into psychedelic narcissism, Adam suggests that communal support is the best safeguard against these dangers and the most effective strategy for grounding people who’ve lost touch with reality. Drawing on his academic expertise, Adam distinguishes traditional uses of plant medicines from the Western paradigm for approaching psychedelics. He stresses the relational and communal aspects of the spiritual traditions which use psychedelics ceremonially. The pro-social aspects of these wisdom traditions, he claims, help safeguard against the traps of psychedelic narcissism and ego inflation, as there are established mechanisms for keeping people grounded following intense spiritual experiences.  Adam closes the discussion with an insightful analysis of modern gurus and self-proclaimed shamans. Adam encourages people to beware of deeply held spiritual fantasies, where a master can appear as more than human. Instead, he emphasizes that even skillful and well-intentioned healers are themselves nothing more than human beings, so there will always be imperfection and messiness. This does not, however, mean that impactful work cannot happen—in fact, this insight helps protect against the idolization of charismatic psychedelic personalities, which can lead to harmful experiences.   In this episode: Defining psychedelic narcissism Clinical vs coloquial understandings of narcissism The intersections of the psychedelic movement and conspiracy theories The importance of social and communal support for avoiding ego inflation following psychedelic or spiritual experiences How psychedelic experiences can actually deepen ego attachments and accentuate narcissistic tendencies The importance of humor in combating spiritual narcissism   Quotes: “Many of the underlying ideologies upon which Western cultures were built, like hyper-individualism and so on, kind of predispose us and prime us for certain aspects of narcissism.” [5:36] “Ego inflation, spiritual narcissism, messianic episodes—all of these are things that are fairly common within both people who are in some sort of spiritual or psychedelic path.” [12:17] “In traditional societies for the most part really there isn’t such a thing as a self-proclaimed shaman. A person doesn’t wake up one morning and is like ‘oh, I’m the shaman’—that’s a title or a role or a recognition given to that person by the community.” [38:03] “The best measure of whether somebody is genuine and helpful is not whatever credentials or titles he assigns to himself, but rather what other people feel. So, you know, you will know a tree by its fruits.” [45:08] “Having these experiences by themselves does not necessarily mean spiritual growth or psychological development or any enhanced benefit if we’re not constantly, painfully, mindful of how we actually integrate and embody those things in daily life over very long periods of time.” [54:29]   Links: Adam on Instagram Temple of the Way of Light Psychedelic Medicine Association Porangui

Adam is a doctoral candidate at the Universitat Rovira I Virgili in Spain, focusing on Medical Anthropology and Cultural Psychiatry. He is an active member of the Medical Anthropology Research Center (MARC) and part of the Ayahuasca Community Committee at the Chacruna Institute for Psychedelic Plant Medicines. In the last four years, he has conducted extensive fieldwork in the Peruvian Amazon, where he has been doing qualitative research in collaboration with ICEERS, the Beckley Foundation, and, more recently, the Centre for Psychedelic Studies at Imperial College. Beyond his work conducting and coordinating research, Adam facilitated workshops in the Peruvian Amazon and he regularly facilitates workshops in Mexico. He is also a process facilitator and integration support coach in private practice.

Welcome, Shelby and Madison from DoubleBlind Magazine to the podcast! Shelby and Madison are the co-founders of DoubleBlind - a print magazine, digital media outlet, and education platform at the forefront of the rapidly growing psychedelic movement! In this episode we talk about:How DoubleBlind Magazine came to beHow Shelby and Madison discover untold stories in psychedelicsSacred reciprocity and the DoubleBlind communityShelby and Madison's journeys with psychedelics and their medicine of choiceHow psychedelics have aided Shelby and Madison's healingDrinking Ayahuasca in Peru versus the United StatesThe therapeutic use of MDMAHow to “come out of the psychedelic closet”Some “out there” psychedelics and “deep-state psychonauts”Caution against positioning psychedelics as a panaceaMentioned in the episode:DoubleBlind MagazineICEERS: Non-profit OrganizationDoubleBlind Mag Issue 2DoubleBlind Mag Issue 4DoubleBlind Mag: Issue 5 (Coming out June 2021)DoubleBlind CoursesTemple of the Way of Light - Ayahuasca Retreat CentreThe Cosmic Serpent by Jeremy Narby (Book)The Ayahuasca Visions of Pablo Amaringo (Book)Pablo Amaringo PrintsMultidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS)Thank You Plant MedicinePsychedelic CommunitiesZoeys Sananga YouTube VideoDonate to the podcast via PayPalHave you gained new insights and perspectives from us and our guests? Consider sending financial energy our way to help support to cost of creating this powerful content.If this episode sparked something within, please let us know and leave us a review!More Modern Psychedelics: Instagram | Facebook  | WebsiteMore Lana: Instagram | YouTubeMore Zoey:Instagram | YouTube

Hey everybody! Episode 36 of the show is out. In this episode, I spoke with my friend Irene Pérez Méndez. Irene and I met working at the Amazonian plant medicine center, the Temple of the Way of Light, where she initially came down to do research with ICEERS on the long-term effects of ayahuasca. While there, she also taught art therapy and worked with Jungian archetypes, and eventually started facilitating retreats. I've had the chance to know Irene for a number of years and she's one of my favorite people in this work. She brings joy, passion, humor, and integrity to her work. And she has a lot of knowledge about this work through her own experience and also through having worked with many people. It was a pleasure for me to sit down and catch up with her and I think there is a lot to be gained by her sharing. To view bonus material and extended conversations, check out my Patreon page below. Enjoy!"Irene Pérez Méndez is a certified TRE facilitator, art therapist and anthropologist. TRE is a somatic technique that helps us to release tension patterns in the body and regulate the nervous system; it is indicated for those who suffer from anxiety and stress. In the last 10 years, Irene has guided more than a thousand people in the process of working with master plants, focusing on the intention setting, facilitation and integration of experiences. She puts all her heart, respect and sense of humor in holding space and being at service, working for the health and balance of body, soul and spirit as fundamental parts of the human being."To learn more about Irene, visit her website at: http://www.lacasadelviento.es And her music at: https://soundcloud.com/samambai_a To view the study on ayahuasca and the Temple, visit: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31938878/ And finally to learn more about ICEERS and TRE, visit: https://www.iceers.org/ and https://traumaprevention.com/This episode of the show is sponsored by the Temple of the Way of Light. To learn more or sign up for a retreat, visit: https://templeofthewayoflight.org/Share the show, Subscribe or Follow, leave comments, and if you can go on Apple Podcasts and leave a starred-rating and a short review. That would be super helpful with the algorithms and getting this show out to more people. Thank you in advance!For more information about me and my upcoming plant medicine retreats with my colleague Merav Artzi, visit my site at: https://www.NicotianaRustica.orgTo support this podcast on Patreon, visit: https://www.patreon.com/UniverseWithinTo donate directly with PayPal: https://www.paypal.me/jasongrechanikMusic courtesy of Nuno Moreno. See his work at: https://m.soundcloud.com/groove_a_zen_sound and https://nahira-ziwa.bandcamp.com/.Thanks and until the next episode!https://www.facebook.com/UniverseWithinPodcasthttps://www.instagram.com/UniverseWithinPodcast

Podcast: Adventures Through The Mind (LS 50 · TOP 0.5% what is this?)Episode: How to Address Corporate Influence and 'Bad Actors' in Psychedelic Culture | Psychedelic Café 4Pub date: 2020-11-20What is the best way to address both the acute and systemic problems present in psychedelic culture? It's a big question, so we have invited a number of people to have a psychedelic café about it. Our guests, (in alphabetical order according to their last name, excluding host James W. Jesso) Marta Ketchmarchek, co-founder and coordinator of The Psychedelic Society of The Netherlands and Facilitator at Synthesis, a psilocybin retreat centre in Amsterdam Trevor Millar, owner of Liberty Root therapy, Chair for MAPS Canada, and on the founding board of the Canadian Psychedelic Association Jeronimo MM, member of ICEERS, which is the International Center for Ethnobotanical Education, Research, and Service Anya Oleksiuk, psychedelic documentary filmmaker co-owner and co-director of The Psychedelic Society UK Brian Pace, the politics and ecology editor for Psymposia and lecturer of psychedelic studies at Ohio state university Mareesa Stertz of Film maker and co-founder of Lucid News Bett Williams, author of The Wild Kindness: A Psilocybin Odyssey --LINKS--   For links to our guest' work, full show notes, and to watch this episode in video, head to https://bit.ly/PsyCafe4 ***Full Topics Breakdown Below***   --- SUPPORT THIS PODCAST —   ► Patreon: https://patreon.com/jameswjesso ► Donations: https://www.paypal.com/biz/fund?id=383635S3BKJVS ► Merchandise: https://www.jameswjesso.com/shop/ ► More options: https://www.jameswjesso.com/support/   ► Newsletter: https://www.jameswjesso.com/newsletter   *** Extra BIG thanks to my patrons on Patreon for helping keep this podcast alive! Especially, Andreas D, Clea S, Joe A, Ian C, David WB, Yvette FC, Ann-Madeleine, Dima B, Eliz C, & Chuck W       Episode Breakdown How psychedelic exceptionalism informs how we think about bad actor's in the scene The importance of community to resource people addressing conflicts and harm in psychedelic culture Introducing Psymposia and their perspectives and approach to addressing problems in the culture Introducing The Canadian Psychedelic Association and the value of community Creating events to help discuss serious issues psychedelic culture is otherwise bypassing Wondering about whether or not psychedelics should be held as part of a public politic Why anti-rival maturity is vital for actual progress in culture, psychedelic and otherwise Introducing the Netherlands' Guild of Guides and how they are dealing with bad actors The psychedelic industry is being led by huge players of corporate Influence Can the psychedelic experience help us change the business of psychedelics? What comes after the end of prohibition and how do we get there? Positive peer pressure and becoming a community that forwards culture towards the future we want to see The psychedelic community is not "one" community, so how do we work together? How the forces at work with colonialism are the same forces shaping the modern psychedelic industry through corporate influence The value of working where you can work rather than trying to work everywhere Optimism VS naiveté How distorted exceptions causes those “doing their best to do better” to get torn down for not already being perfect Medicalization is NOT access Capitalism and climate change Not letting ourselves get manipulated into tearing down the lowest hanging fruit Will the psychedelic industry actually be profitable?   ************** --- SUPPORT THIS PODCAST —   ► Patreon: https://patreon.com/jameswjesso ► Donations: https://www.paypal.com/biz/fund?id=383635S3BKJVS ► Merchandise: https://www.jameswjesso.com/shop/ ► More options: https://www.jameswjesso.com/support/     ► Newsletter: https://www.jameswjesso.com/newsletterThe podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from James W. Jesso, which is the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Listen Notes, Inc.

What is the best way to address both the acute and systemic problems present in psychedelic culture? It's a big question, so we have invited a number of people to have a psychedelic café about it. Our guests, (in alphabetical order according to their last name, excluding host James W. Jesso) Marta Ketchmarchek, co-founder and coordinator of The Psychedelic Society of The Netherlands and Facilitator at Synthesis, a psilocybin retreat centre in Amsterdam Trevor Millar, owner of Liberty Root therapy, Chair for MAPS Canada and on the founding board of the Canadian Psychedelic Association Jeronimo MM, member of ICEERS, which is the International Center for Ethnobotanical Education, Research, and Service Anya Oleksiuk, psychedelic documentary filmaker co-owner and co-director of The Psychedelic Society UK Brian Pace, the politics and ecology editor for Psymposia and professor of psychedelic studies at Ohio state university Mareesa Stertz of Film maker and co-founder of Lucid News Bett Williams, author of The Wild Kindness: A Psilocybin Odyssey --LINKS--   For links to our guest' work, full show notes, and to watch this episode in video, head to https://bit.ly/PsyCafe4 ***Full Topics Breakdown Below***   --- SUPPORT THIS PODCAST —   ► Patreon: https://patreon.com/jameswjesso ► Donations: https://www.paypal.com/biz/fund?id=383635S3BKJVS ► Merchandise: https://www.jameswjesso.com/shop/ ► More options: https://www.jameswjesso.com/support/   ► Newsletter: https://www.jameswjesso.com/newsletter   *** Extra BIG thanks to my patrons on Patreon for helping keep this podcast alive! Especially, Andreas D, Clea S, Joe A, Ian C, David WB, Yvette FC, Ann-Madeleine, Dima B, Eliz C, & Chuck W       Episode Breakdown How psychedelic exceptionalism informs how we think about bad actor's in the scene The importance of community to resource people addressing conflicts and harm in psychedelic culture Introducing Psymposia and their perspectives and approach to addressing problems in the culture Introducing The Canadian Psychedelic Association and the value of community Creating events to help discuss serious issues psychedelic culture is otherwise bypassing Wondering about whether or not psychedelics should be held as part of a public politic Why anti-rival maturity is vital for actual progress in culture, psychedelic and otherwise Introducing the Netherlands’ Guild of Guides and how they are dealing with bad actors The psychedelic industry is being led by huge players of corporate Influence Can the psychedelic experience help us change the business of psychedelics? What comes after the end of prohibition and how do we get there? Positive peer pressure and becoming a community that forwards culture towards the future we want to see The psychedelic community is not "one" community, so how do we work together? How the forces at work with colonialism are the same forces shaping the modern psychedelic industry through corporate influence The value of working where you can work rather than trying to work everywhere Optimism VS naiveté How distorted exceptions causes those “doing their best to do better” to get torn down for not already being perfect Medicalization is NOT access Capitalism and climate change Not letting ourselves get manipulated into tearing down the lowest hanging fruit Will the psychedelic industry actually be profitable?   ************** --- SUPPORT THIS PODCAST —   ► Patreon: https://patreon.com/jameswjesso ► Donations: https://www.paypal.com/biz/fund?id=383635S3BKJVS ► Merchandise: https://www.jameswjesso.com/shop/ ► More options: https://www.jameswjesso.com/support/     ► Newsletter: https://www.jameswjesso.com/newsletter

In this episode, I have Adam Andros Aronovich, a researcher for the Medical Anthropology Research Center (MARC). He also conducts workshops at the Temple of the Way of Light in the Peruvian Amazon.Psychedelics, after being criminalized in the 1970s, for 4 decades of being in the shadows, have now started to be researched for its profound impact in curing mental diseases. But it also allows us to see a different perspective of reality, one that is not molded in the rationalistic, and materialistic world view that we are accustomed to.Here’s what to expect from the episode;- What exactly defines a psychedelic drug?- How does Ayahuasca work in the body?- What are the medicinal benefits being discovered? - What actually is a psychedelic experience?- How psychedelics awakes us from what we perceived as reality- What is the altered consciousness that made Adam realize?Adam Andros Aronovich is a doctoral candidate focusing on Medical Anthropology and Cultural Psychiatry. He is an active member of the Medical Anthropology Research Center (MARC) and part of the Ayahuasca Community Committee at the Chacruna Institute for Psychedelic Plant Medicines. In the last four years, he has conducted extensive fieldwork in the Peruvian Amazon, where he has been doing qualitative research in collaboration with ICEERS, the Beckley Foundation, and, more recently, the Centre for Psychedelic Studies at Imperial College. Beyond his work conducting and coordinating research, Adam regularly facilitates workshops at the Temple of the Way of Light, a prestigious healing center in the Iquitos area.*The Future Design Podcast does not endorse the recreational use of psychedelics. While these substances often carry a negative stigma and taboo, we ask that you learn for yourself and make an informed decision.Subscribe to our Weekly / Monthly Newsletter here Guest: Adam Andros Aronovich (Facebook) Temple of the Way of Light (Website)Host: Takatoshi Shibayama (Twitter | IG | LinkedIn) Music: ShowNing (Website)

LISTEN: APPLE  | SPOTIFY | STITCHER | YOUTUBE If You Enjoy This Show Please Subscribe and Give Us a 5-Star Rating ★★★★★ and Review on Apple Podcasts | Donate On Patreon :  https://bit.ly/3d0piI0 PayPal:  https://bit.ly/2AV4pAt   Adam is a PhD candidate in Medical Anthropology and Global Health. He lives in the Peruvian Amazon, working as Research Coordinator and Workshop Facilitator for the Temple of the Way of Light. In addition, he is an active member of the Medical Anthropology Research Center (MARC- URV) in Catalunya, Spain, and a member of the Ayahuasca Community Committee at Chacruna.net. He has written for various publications around the world. Adam is a dear friend of mine. Adam and I share very similar existentialist, views, with an appreciation for dark and absurdist humor. I always love talking with Adam. He always has great insights into life, plant medicines, healing, mental health, the nature of reality, and is able to deeply critique the ills of our world, while maintaining his humor, warmth and compassion.   Adam recently gave a presentation at ICPR2020 called: Ayahuasca as Relational Medicine: Intimate encounters at the frontiers of liquid modernity   His presentation was given based on the three years of ethnographic and qualitative research conducted at the Temple of the Way of Light, an ayahuasca retreat center in the Peruvian Amazon, in collaborations with Imperial College, ICEERS and the Beckley Foundation.    The data is also abundantly informed by Adam's lived experience as a retreat facilitator on site. His aim is to address the social and political dimensions of health and wellbeing as elucidated by the participants’ ayahuasca experiences and contextualized by the setting provided by the retreat structure.    The interaction between ayahuasca and a group setting that promotes intimacy, horizontality and mutual responsibility amongst participants often encourages a social dynamic where participants can both safely express and listen to each others’ affliction narratives, difficulties and breakthroughs. This break with the individualistic, pharmacologically-oriented focus of bio-psychiatry alone greatly contributes to counteract the feelings of alienation and isolation that exacerbate psychic suffering when it remains private.    Shared experiences of communal struggle, breakthrough and healing allow participants to recognize the interdependent nature of health and wellbeing, prompting them to pay special care to their eroding social bonds and to reframe experiences of loneliness, alienation, anxiety, depression or trauma in all their multi-dimensional complexities, moving beyond an exclusively individualistic framework and visibilizing the impact that social, cultural, political or environmental factors have on their own wellbeing. Ethnographic approaches, can elucidate the multilayered complexities of affliction and healing that often are lost through a purely quantitative or biomedical lens.     Mikeadelic is Sponsored by SHEATH UNDERWEAR Get 20% off the most comfortable, unique pair of underwear you'll ever wear. www.sheathunderwear.com - Enter promo code Mikeadelic at checkout to get a sweet discount on some awesome under threads.   Connect With Adam:  Facebook: https://bit.ly/3mj07FF Instagram: @adamandros http://www.chaikuni.org/ https://templeofthewayoflight.org http://www.marc.urv.cat/en/ https://chacruna.net/   Connect With Mike: Website: https://bit.ly/2GqH7kX Patreon: https://bit.ly/3d0piI0 Email: https://bit.ly/2Dsv2v4 Facebook: https://bit.ly/2XCchg7 Instagram: https://bit.ly/2Pqc50B Twitter: https://bit.ly/2IwIhik   Listen Everywhere: Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2Vf2RKf Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2W8w72c GooglePlay: https://bit.ly/2PlJiKG Stitcher: https://bit.ly/2DrRnc6 YouTube: https://bit.ly/2IzMz8I Amazon Music: https://amzn.to/3mYzExX Also Available on Podbean, Speaker, Breaker, Tunein, Castro, I heart radio, Overcast, Soundcloud and everywhere podcasts are found  Subscribe to the Inner Sanctum Monthly Newsletter  https://bit.ly/2GqH7kX   Sponsored By: SHEATH UNDERWEAR Get 20% off the most comfortable, unique pair of underwear you'll ever wear. www.sheathunderwear.com - Enter code Mikeadelic at checkout to get a sweet discount on some awesome under threads. AND Student Loan Tutor: https://bit.ly/2X2meF4 * Say you found them through mikeadelic for extra special magical love and care.  If You Enjoy This Show Please Subscribe and Give Us a 5-Star Rating ★★★★★ and Review on Apple Podcasts | Donate On Patreon or PayPal  * Become a patron and get access to bonus episodes, fun extras,merch googies, community zoom calls, and the private inner sanctum discord channel.    Thank You Intro Music Provided by Danny Barnett & Galaxia:  https://bit.ly/2XB3sDr

Adam Aronovich is a doctoral candidate at the Universitat Rovira i Virgili in Spain, focusing on Medical Anthropology and Cultural Psychiatry.  He is an active member of the Medical Anthropology Research Center (MARC) and part of the Ayahuasca Community Committee at the Chacruna Institute for Psychedelic Plant Medicines. In the last four years he has conducted extensive fieldwork in the Peruvian Amazon, where he has been doing qualitative research in collaboration with ICEERS, the Beckley Foundation, and, more recently, the Centre for Psychedelic Studies at Imperial College. Beyond his work conducting and coordinating research, Adam regularly facilitates workshops at the Temple of the Way of Light, a prestigious healing center in the Iquitos area. In this episode of the Plant Medicine Podcast, Adam discusses a host of issues surrounding modern western paradigms of psychiatry and mental health and contrasts these with approaches taken by traditional cultures, such as those of the Shipibo people of South America.  Adam has spent years studying traditional societies as an anthropologist and his research specifically focuses on the different approaches to medicine in various cultures, and how people in different cultural milieus experience health and illness differently.  Through his work, Adam hopes to contribute to the field of medicine by translating the medical understandings of traditional cultures into terminologies and categories digestible by the Western medical establishment. In this conversation, Adam explains how the contemporary approach to mental health in the West is colored by a fixation on medicalizing peoples’ experiences into diagnostic categories and by a tendency to view health and illness exclusively on the level of the individual. In contrast to this approach, Adam draws on his ongoing research with the Shipibo people, showing how their approach to healing in ayahuasca ceremonies is much more communal and relational in nature.   In this episode: How traditional cultures conceptualize mental suffering The limits of Western psychiatry when crossing cultural boundaries How the animist perspective of Shipibo healers informs their approach to healing Dangers of over-emphasizing the medicalization of psychedelics The relational, rather than an individualistic focus of ayahuasca ceremonies Confronting our individual and collective shadows   Quotes “Every medical system or every medical approach is inseparable from the culture, the cosmology, the metaphysics that underlie the understanding of that culture.” [32:32] “The way the Shipibo medical system works… is that the healing doesn't necessarily only happen through the agency of the human healer, but the human healer works as a channeler of medical agency of different sources, of different spirits in the environment.” [36:34] “The most important benefits or the most important values that these substances have are not necessarily therapeutic in the sense of medical, or clinical, or psychological… but are actually much deeper than that and they’re epistemic, they’re ontological, they’re relational.” [52:25] “Ayahuasca oftentimes will get us to a place where we can actually experience that reconnection with the wider community of sentience that makes the ecosystem of our world.” [1:02:29] Links Adam’s lecture at Breaking Convention 2017 Adam’s lecture at the World Ayahuasca Conference 2019 Temple of the Way of Light Psychedelic Medicine Association Get 20% off everything at Octagon Biolabs with coupon code 'plantmedicine' Porangui

Jerónimo M.M. joins us on the show to discuss the cultural issues we are presented with insofar as integrating psychedelics into the mainstream of the Western World of the Global North. We also talk about preparing for the unintended consequences of ending prohibition and the amputation of culture that comes with our globalized export of psychoactive plants. --LINKS-- For links to Jeronimo's work, full show notes, and to watch this episode in video, head to https://bit.ly/ATTMind122 ***Full Topics Breakdown Below*** --- SUPPORT THIS PODCAST — ► Patreon: https://patreon.com/jameswjesso ► Donations: https://www.paypal.me/JWJesso ► Merchandise: https://www.jameswjesso.com/shop/ ► More options: https://www.jameswjesso.com/support/ This episode's Sponsor: https://www.jameswjesso.com/formula Use promo code "jesso" to get 20% off your first order. ► Newsletter: https://www.jameswjesso.com/newsletter   *** Extra BIG thanks to my patrons on Patreon for helping keep this podcast alive! Especially, ` ************** Episode Breakdown How we are both coping with the pandemic What the pandemic look like on the ground in New York City Discussing the growth of COVID-19 reported cases and why there are so many more already and even more coming Is COVID-19 our great war? Humanity vs the destructive consequences of our civilization Rates of changes and the present dying of our civilization Will a better world come out of this or a totalitarian nightmare? The pandemic lockdown is forcing us to slow down and be in the present moment The impact of COVID-19 on people in poverty and people with drug dependence China is now in the aftermath and going about their business. What will our aftermath be like? Why flattening the curve is our most reasonable response, now that containment is impossible Canada's healthcare system and how it is already starting to cripple our care due to a lack of supplies Doug Ford is Ontario Canada's Trump-Lite (but apparently he is, personally, very supportive of psychedelic medicine) Test shortages for the population, mask shortages for the healthcare workers and why it's so important to follow social distancing measures The difference, for Patrick, between watching his friends die during and after overcoming his heroin addiction Comparing the experience of his friends dying with the recent death of his mother People we know are going to die of COVID-19 and we shouldn't ignore this fact Patrick's experiences of death offer us as perspective in these frightening, and fatal times Final thoughts and perspectives for all of us stuck in this together   ************** --- SUPPORT THIS PODCAST — ► Patreon: https://patreon.com/jameswjesso ► Donations: https://www.paypal.me/JWJesso ► Merchandise: https://www.jameswjesso.com/shop/ ► More options: https://www.jameswjesso.com/support/ This episode's Sponsor: https://www.jameswjesso.com/formula Use promo code "jesso" to get 20% off your first order. ► Newsletter: https://www.jameswjesso.com/newsletter   --- BOOKS — Decomposing The Shadow: https://www.jameswjesso.com/decomposing-the-shadow/ The True Light Of Darkness: https://www.jameswjesso.com/true-light-darkness/   --- LINKS — Website: https://www.jameswjesso.com/ Speaking Tour: https://www.jameswjesso.com/events/ Podcast: https://www.jameswjesso.com/podcast/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/jameswjesso Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/attmindpodcast/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jameswjesso

Clare S. Wilkins is a former intravenous drug user & methadone patient who shed those chemical dependencies with the aid of ibogaine in 2005. As founder of Pangea Biomedics, she has facilitated over 800 treatments with a diverse team & has collaborated with MAPS to study the long-term effects of patients undergoing detoxification therapy with ibogaine for opiates. (Brown, Alper M.D., 2017) Since 2010 she has been an active board member of The Global Ibogaine Therapy Alliance (GITA); is co-author of the Clinical Guidelines for Ibogaine-Assisted Detoxification, a comprehensive risk-management resource & minimum standard of care for opioid detoxification. She is also co-author of a noteworthy case study (Wilkins, Bouso, Ph.D., et al 2017) published in the Journal of Psychedelic Studies. Mentored by Howard Lotsof, she is committed to advancing scientific research of iboga, including ibogaine, its alkaloids & analogs. She is currently collaborating with ICEERS in Spain, where a Phase 2 safety & efficacy study, using ibogaine for methadone patients has been approved, utilizing the cumulative administration method she developed over 13 years of clinical practice in Mexico. Clare is also part of a cutting edge cohort of experts who are advancing Parkinson's Disease treatment, utilizing a successful combination of ibogaine, orthomolecular medicine & nootropics. As these case studies build, data gathered will contribute to new methods that can become open-source material for the safest and best outcomes. As a member of INPUD, an international drug user rights organization, Clare is devoted to reducing stigma & harm, promoting the health, dignity & cognitive liberty for people who use drugs, and every human's basic right to compassion-based medicine.

Jonathan and his colleagues have started a global grassroots movement to raise awareness about the healing power of plant medicine and psychedelic-assisted therapy.  They are currently preparing a viral gratitude campaign to draw the attention of the mainstream news media. Specifically, on February 20, 2020, over 100,000+ people world wide will "come out" on social medial with their stories of personal healing and transformation, using the hashtag #ThankYouPlantMedicine. This movement is a coordinated effort of over 300 volunteers from 33 countries currently reaching out to hundreds of organizations, media channels, and high profile celebrities. ThankYouPlantMedicine has the formal support of organizations such as ICEERS, Chacruna.net and 1Heart Journeys and is gathering the latest academic research, safety, and legal information which will be made available on a non-profit website, that will also feature indigenous causes, conservation efforts and ways to take action. The intent of this campaign is to raise global awareness of the beneficial healing aspects of these medicines and the importance of integrating them into mainstream society, free from stigma and discrimination. For more information and details on how you can support this movement, please see their website:   https://thankyouplantmedicine.com/ Or facebook:   https://www.facebook.com/ThankYouPlantMedicine/  

Dear Listeners! In this episode you can get to know a bit about the plant medicine world, more specifically we talk about Ayahuasca. My guest on the show was Eduardo Carvalho who works on the plant medicine field as a musician for the past four years. In this episode through Eduardo’s stories you can get to know about his involvement with the plant medicines, his journey up until this point, but also some general information about Ayahuasca and its role in society. Indigenous plants and traditions play a significant role in how modern humans/societies can re-evaluate themselves while trying to find refuge from the technology and money driven materialistic systems. This episode can be also a useful resource if you wonder what these plants are all about, in what context are they being used. Moreover, check out the links below for further information about the mentioned organizations and their work. Full episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIAOlPTWUYo Wachama's website: https://www.wachama.org/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3riwVYt20rySWH8RLNn2YD Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/nl/podcast/wachama-podcast-personal-development-social-innovation/id1438770642 Eduardo's Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/EdZyFreQuency/ The World Ayahuasca Conference: https://www.synergeticpress.com/reflections-on-2019-world-ayahuasca-conference/? ICEERS: https://idpc.net/profile/iceers http://old.iceers.org/ Ayahuasca Foundation: https://www.ayahuascafoundation.org/ MAPS~Multidisciplinary Association For Psychedelic Studies https://maps.org/ The War on Consciousness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0c5nIvJH7w&t=14s Beckley Foundation: https://beckleyfoundation.org/

Charla con José Carlos Bouso, director científico de ICEERS.org , psicólogo, PhD en farmacología. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/drogasparatodos/message

One year ago this week we launched The Evolver podcast. This week we're doing a little retrospective, a taster of past episodes, where we revisit some discussions that reward another listen. With Kim Krans, Alex Grey, Josh Radnor, Paul Selig, 3 people from ICEERS — Dennis McKenna, Ben DeLoenen, and Andrea Langlois — and Starhawk. Enjoy! Follow us on Instagram @TheEvolverPodcast: https://www.instagram.com/theevolverpodcast. Our email is TheEvolver@evolver.netThe Evolver is sponsored by The Alchemist's Kitchen, a botanical dispensary dedicated to the power of plants, where you can ask an herbalist to recommend the herbal remedy that's most right for you. Visit https://www.thealchemistskitchen.com. For a 20% discount off any online purchase, use the code: podcast20. Our theme music is “Measure by Measure,” courtesy of DJ Spooky, aka Paul D. Miller (@djspooky), from his album The Secret Song, and interstitial music are tracks by The Human Experience: "Sunu" from the album Soul Visions with Rising Appalachia, and Here for a Moment on the album Gone Gone Beyond. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode my guest is Benjamin De Loenen, M.A. Benjamin founded the International Center for Ethnobotanical Education, Research & Service (ICEERS), a charitable non-profit organisation with United Nations consultative status, where he serves as Executive Director. Benjamin is the author of several publications and films, has presented at conferences around the world, and has participated in various leadership roles.At the end of May of this year the third World Ayahuasca Conference is held in Spain. Tickets are available, and I personally recommend anyone that can to go to this excellent event to do so.More information over at www.iceers.org and www.ayahuascadefense.com.Go here if you want to attend the conference: www.ayaconference.com.Support the podcast.Music featured in this episode:Car Seat Headrestcarseatheadrest.bandcamp.comwww.facebook.com/carseatheadrestwww.twitter.com/carseatheadrest

Con motivo de la feria Spannabis que tiene lugar en Barcelona esta semana, dedicamos un nuevo programa dedicado al cannabis, sus usos, regulaciones y diferentes negocios legales. Hablamos con Gabriel Miró, jurista de la Federación de Asociaciones Cannábicas de España, José Carlos Bouso, psicólogo clínico, farmacólogo, Director de Proyectos Científicos de la Fundación ICEERS, Carola Pérez, presidenta del Observatorio español de cannabis medicinal y Jouke Piepenbrink, jefe de marketing de Dutch Passion, empresa dedicada a la venta de semillas de marihuana. El programa se completa con dos reportajes, dedicados a los clubes de fumadores y a los negocios dónde se vende el CBD, un componente del cannabis con uso medicinal. __ Carne Cruda, el programa de radio que tú haces posible. La República Independiente de la Radio. Existimos gracias a las aportaciones de los y las oyentes. Difunde nuestros contenidos y si puedes: hazte productora o productor de Carne Cruda. Aquí tienes más información: http://carnecruda.es/hazte_productor/

Con motivo de la feria Spannabis que tiene lugar en Barcelona esta semana, dedicamos un nuevo programa dedicado al cannabis, sus usos, regulaciones y diferentes negocios legales. Hablamos con Gabriel Miró, jurista de la Federación de Asociaciones Cannábicas de España, José Carlos Bouso, psicólogo clínico, farmacólogo, Director de Proyectos Científicos de la Fundación ICEERS, Carola Pérez, presidenta del Observatorio español de cannabis medicinal y Jouke Piepenbrink, jefe de marketing de Dutch Passion, empresa dedicada a la venta de semillas de marihuana. El programa se completa con dos reportajes, dedicados a los clubes de fumadores y a los negocios dónde se vende el CBD, un componente del cannabis con uso medicinal. __ Carne Cruda, el programa de radio que tú haces posible. La República Independiente de la Radio. Existimos gracias a las aportaciones de los y las oyentes. Difunde nuestros contenidos y si puedes: hazte productora o productor de Carne Cruda. Aquí tienes más información: http://carnecruda.es/hazte_productor/

In recent years, as plant medicines like ayahuasca and iboga have gained traction in the West, there's been a lot of tension between our society's attitudes about what it calls “drugs”, and the sacred nature of these powerful messengers. In this episode, Ken speaks with three expert activists dedicated to society's healthy use of plant spirit medicines: Ben De Loenen, the founder and Executive Director of ICEERS, Andrea Langlois, ICEERS' Director of Engagement, and Dennis McKenna, who we welcome back to the podcast for a 2nd time and who is an ICEERS advisor. ICEERS - which stands for The International Center for Ethnobotanical Education, Research & Service - is an international non-profit working to shape a future where psychoactive plant practices are valued and integrated parts of society. It's a pioneering and inspiring NGO based in Barcelona, where it runs many programs focusing on the legalization of plant spirit medicines, as well as the adoption of best practices for the cultivation and use of these entheogens in modern Western society. Learn more about ICEERS at ICEERS.org, as well as their Facebook page. And you can follow Dennis McKenna on his Facebook page, as well. Follow us on Instagram @TheEvolverPodcast: https://www.instagram.com/theevolverpodcastThe Evolver is sponsored by The Alchemist's Kitchen, a botanical dispensary dedicated to the power of plants, where you can ask an herbalist to recommend the herbal remedy that's most right for you. Visit https://www.thealchemistskitchen.com. For a 20% discount off any online purchase, use the code: podcast20. Theme music is “Measure by Measure,” courtesy of DJ Spooky, aka Paul D. Miller (@djspooky), from his album The Secret Song, and interstitial music are tracks by The Human Experience: "Sunu" from the album Soul Visions with Rising Appalachia, and Here for a Moment on the album Gone Gone Beyond. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Download Today in the show, Joe talks to Maria Carvalho and Helena Valente, founding members of Kosmicare, a drug testing, and harm reduction service at the Portugal Festival, Boom. Joe talks to Maria and Helena on their personal backgrounds, how they got into Boom, research on recreational use, what harm reduction looks like, and what populations are underserved. Drug use is decriminalized in Portugal, and the focus of risk minimization has been useful in getting the population served versus putting people in prison. 3 Key Points: Kosmicare is a harm reduction and psychedelic emergency service starting at Boom music festival in Portugal. Working to support other events in Europe. Boom is in Portugal, where drugs are decriminalized and drug testing is legal. Drug policy has directly affected the number of emergencies that Boom has had. The Portuguese drug policy has resulted in fewer overdoses, drug-related deaths, and HIV infection. Other countries like the US should consider a drug reform with the current opioid crisis. Support the show Patreon Leave us a review on iTunes Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - Psychedelics Today group – Find the others and create community. Navigating Psychedelics Show Notes About Kosmicare Kosmicare is a non-profit organization that looks to transform nightlife culture through humanistic, comprehensive and evidence-based policies and interventions They work toward a world where drugs can be used with liberty and wisdom Making festivals safe in Europe About Maria Psychologist, graduated in 1999 at University of Porto She started working in the field of problematic drug use Growing up in a difficult neighborhood was her purpose for getting into studying psychology and drug use She began focusing on recreational use Her younger brother was into the Electronic Dance scene and positioning himself with using substances She was interested in studying other motivations to use drugs than just using drugs to feed a problem She heard an announcement by MAPS in 2008 recruiting volunteers to do work in psychedelic emergency at Boom It was the perfect match considering her interest in psychology and drug use in recreational environments About Helena Helena is a Psychologist who was interested in drug use She wanted to have field experience, and she volunteered in a needle exchange program She began working for a harm reduction project to work in recreational settings that needed volunteers She became interested in the potential that drug checking has in the harm reduction strategy They are working toward a ‘drop-in’ where people can show up to a permanent space for drug checking and harm reduction The Numbers Over 20,000 people showed up to Kosmicare’s information session This year for the first time, Kosmicare had an HPLC (High Performance Liquid Chromatography) to identify LSD and pills They tested over 700 drug samples in 6 days Maria says half of the Boom population gets in contact with Kosmicare They serve 1% of the Boom population for psychedelic emergency (about 350 cases out of 35,000 attendees) The episodes usually have to do with psycho-spiritual situations versus just an emergency about the drug taken Psychedelic Emergencies Boom is a transformational festival that hosts attendees from over 50 countries Boom is different from Burning Man in that Boom is in Portugal which has a much more legal framework which helps with the services that can be offered Drug policy has directly affected the number of emergencies that Boom has Joe states that there are numbers of regulatory police at Burning Man Kosmicare is included in the entire setup of Boom, which helps reduce the number of scenarios that would cause an emergency at the festival, such as providing shaded areas all over It gets up to 43 degrees Celcius (108 Fahrenheit) But there is a water element so people can refresh themselves In the largest dance areas at the festival, they included medical emergency Teepees so attendees could be helped as quickly as possible Recreational Drug Use They did a survey on recreational drug use and most of the respondents said they use drugs in a beneficial way that doesn't interrupt their lives in a bad way Similarly with Boom attendees, most of them want to use harm reduction techniques so they have positive experiences and don't develop problems with their drug use Mat Southwell “drug users are calculated risk takers” “The legal framework has a terrible influence on people's relationship with drugs” - Helena Lessons Learned Maria says they have had many groundbreaking challenges In 2016 they had someone die on them while having a psychedelic emergency It made her really question why she was doing this Her first impression was that she was doing this work to save the inexperienced user She was caught off guard by the person who died because they were an experienced user and didn't taking unadulterated substances “People may go over the top for a wide variety of reasons, it was the biggest lesson I learned working for the Psychedelic Emergency services” - Maria It's hard to determine people's ability to calculate risks If the person had collapsed in front of an urban hospital in the city, the Hospital couldn't have done anything more than what they did at Kosmicare Collaborations Kosmicare has a collaborative relationship with Zendo MAPS was hired by Boom to direct the harm reduction services They use a lot of Stan Grof techniques for transpersonal psychology They are partnered with many other organizations in Europe that are trying to deliver the same type of psychedelic emergency and harm reduction services The Risks of Drug Policy Joe points out that there are so many festivals happening without these services The Rave Act prevents companies from attending festivals because it “harbors” drug use In Portugal, the fact that drug use is decriminalized, it opened up a legal framework around harm reduction Portugal is one of the few countries where drug checking is allowed by law The Portuguese drug policy has resulted in fewer overdoses, drug-related deaths, HIV infection, tuberculosis and other things Helena says that the US should rethink their drug policy considering the opioid epidemic In Portugal, there were only 12 overdose cases with heroin and opioids Portugal before the Drug Policy In the 80’s, there was a heroin epidemic, which had an epidemic of high infection rates and HIV. This motivated the policy change It was evident that prohibition was not working Usually when it affects only poor people, no one cares, but the fentanyl crisis is affecting all sorts of populations Links Website Facebook Check out this FREE online course, "Introduction to Psychedelics" About Maria Maria Carmo Carvalho, Kosmicare Manager, Boom Festival, Portugal, is a Lecturer at the Faculty of Education and Psychology at the Catholic University of Portugal. She researches if the field of psychoactive substance use and has completed a MSc and a PhD at the University of Porto on the field of psychoactive substance use, youth and recreational environments. She is Vice-President of ICEERS and Kosmicare Boom Festival manager since 2012. About Helena Helena Valente began working with people that use drugs in 2004, focusing in nightlife settings. Helena has a vast experience in coordinating national and European projects in the drug field. At the moment she is a researcher and PhD. Candidate at the Faculty of Psychology and Educational Sciences of the Porto University and founding member of Kosmicare Association.

This is the third and final installment in the ayahuasca talks series, recorded in the Peruvian Amazon. This episode is with the multitalented wonder woman, Irene. Born and raised in Barcelona, Spain, she's been working as an ayahuasca facilitator and teacher at the Temple Of The Way Of Light in Peru.  Studying cultural and social anthropology opened Irene to a new way of seeing the world and led her to discover art therapy as a tool to explore the human psyche. Irene has been a volunteer with ICEERS (the International Center for Ethno-botanical Education Research and Service, www.iceers.org ) since 2010 and is currently in collaboration with the Temple to research how the use of Ayahuasca among Westerners can be useful in the treatment of depression, anxiety, PTSD and grief in a three-year study. Stay tuned till the end of the episode where Irene sings us one of her many beautiful songs.  If you enjoy this show Please Help Make It Better By Subscribing and Sharing. Help Spread The Message Even Further By Leaving a 5-Star Rating ★★★★★ and Review on iTunes. Click Here: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/m... If You Really Like The Show, There Are 2 Ways You Can Show Extra Support. You Can Donate On Patreon for as little as $1 a month.You Will Get access to weekly bonus continent and great rewards. Click Here To Become A Patron: https://www.patreon.com/mikebranc or Click Here To Make A One-Time Contribution On PayPal: https://www.paypal.me/mikebranc/ Email/ContactMe:https://www.mikebranc.com/contact/ Website:https://www.mikebranc.com/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/Mikedelicpodcast/?ref=bookmarks Twitter Personal: @mikebranc | https://www.twitter.com/mikebranc Twitter Podcast: @mikeadelicpod | https://twitter.com/mikeadelicpod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mikeadelic_podcast/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/mikebrancatelli Snapchat: mikebranc | https://www.snapchat.com/add/mikebranc Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3k5pBevX3Rcj4GzD99DYci GooglePlay:https://play.google.com/music/m/Iw6z7gcqennysuv73ioiiguzgjy?t=Mikeadelic__Liberty_Psychedelics_Self-improvement Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/mikedelic SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/mikedelicpodcast iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mikedelic/id1109139637?mt=2 Thank You To find out more about the amazing work being done at the Temple you can visit their website at https://templeofthewayoflight.org/  

Benjamin De Loenen, founder of plant medicine non-profit ICEERS, joins us for a discussion on ayahuasca and iboga. We discuss the wide-ranging impact that plant medicines could have on modern society, and the implications of disrespecting their power and origin. Benjamin lays out the various traps the psychedelic movement could fall into, and the best approaches to getting psychedelic medicines accepted by policymakers and the public. For show links, go here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-51-benjamin-de-loenen/ Sign up to our microdosing course: https://thethirdwave.co/microdosing-course/

Las microdosis están de moda en Sillicon Valley (y a tu alrededor, aunque no lo hayas notado). Consisten en ingerir dosis muy pequeñas de sustancias psicodélicas (LSD, psilocibina, mescalina...), siempre por debajo del umbral psicodélico (evitando cualquier efecto visual, corporal o perceptivo típico de un "viaje" propiamente dicho), tomándose con el fin de elevar el estado de ánimo, aumentar el nivel de creatividad o incluso para aliviar ciertas dolencias como migrañas o dolores menstruales. Pinta muy bien, pero nos gustaría saber más... ¿Existen estudios sobre microdosificación? ¿Cuáles son sus beneficios y sus riesgos? ¿Es posible hacerse adicto a las microdosis? ¿Cómo es posible que tengan efectos tan positivos si las cantidades que se ingieren son tan pequeñas? Nos ayudarán a resolver todas estas cuestiones y muchas más el Dr. José Carlos Bouso, psicólogo clínico, doctor en Farmacología y director de Proyectos Científicos de la Fundación ICEERS, y Genís Oña, psicólogo y máster en Neuropsicofarmacología y Neurotoxicología. Dos verdaderos cracks en el mundo de la investigación psicodélica de este país, ¡disfrutadlos! Al final del programa, como viene siendo habitual, os ofreceremos el Terencediario a cargo del Sr. Mutante, con noticias procon de lo más interesante (#placebos #prevencióndelsuicidio). Y vosotros, ¿qué opináis? ¿Habéis probado las microdosis, o bien estaríais dispuestos a ello? ¿Os han sido útiles en algún sentido? ¿Creéis que vale la pena que los Estados empiecen a facilitar la investigación sobre psicodélicos, para descubrir de una vez todo su potencial terapéutico? (Esta semana no hay serial :( pero la semana que viene sí :))

Guest speaker: Benjamin De Loenen PROGRAM NOTES: Year this lecture was recorded: 2017 In today’s podcast Benjamin De Loenen, the founder of ICEERS (International Center for Ethnobotanical Education Research and Service), talks about things that led him to start this organization, which comes to the defense of plants and is dedicated to sharing the science […]

Experiential journalist Rak Razam chats with Ben De Loenen, founder and Executive Director of ICEERS (International Centre Enthnobotanical Education Research & Service). These fellow filmmakers have been drawn in by their plant medicine experiences making documentaries to explain the worlds of the spirit and have both gone on to form NGOs to help facilitate the integration of shamanic medicines into the West. Ben studied audiovisual media in The Netherlands, and received his Masters degree with honors as a film director and editor for his documentary ‘Ibogaine-Rite of Passage’ (2004), which he directed and produced. He helped form ICEERS in 2009 as a philanthropic, tax-exempt non-profit organization dedicated to the integration of ayahuasca, iboga and other traditional plants as therapeutic tools in modern society, and the preservation of the indigenous cultures that have been using these plant species since antiquity. Listen to this revealing and intimate conversation on the edge of the worlds of shamanic medicine and public policy… For more information see: http://www.iceers.org/ This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License.

Dedicamos este programa a la ayahuasca, esa “planta de poder”, sustancia psiquedélica o “medicina” como prefieren llamarla algunos, cuyo consumo está tan en auge en Occidente, y hasta las celebrities hablan de sus bondades (Nacho Vidal, Sting, Isabel Allende, Tori Amos, Chelsea Handler, Gustavo Biosca… Lindsay Lohan). Con nuestro enfoque pretendemos satisfacer tanto a los curiosos como a los escépticos, hablando no solo de espiritualidad o crecimiento personal sino también de ciencia. Entrevistaremos a Pep Cuñat, presidente de la asociación ayahuasquera La Maloka, situada en Mataró (Barcelona, España). Nos hablará de su caso personal (cómo resolvió una adicción severa mediante un duro y prolongado tratamiento mediante ayahuasca) y de cómo realiza sus trabajos en la asociación. En nuestro debate/coloquio invitaremos a Guillermo Rubio, psicólogo humanista, con quien charlaremos sobre los posibles beneficios y riesgos de la ayahuasca y también comentaremos nuestra asistencia a las I Jornadas de Integración Psiquedélica organizadas por la fundación ICEERS. Para poner la guinda a este emético pastel, acabaremos con las secciones “Testimonio Psicodélico”, con Rosa Maria, que nos explicará cómo ha cambiado su vida tras un viaje muy turbulento con ayahuasca (reconociendo que la dureza de las experiencias le hizo pensar más de una vez en tirar la toalla), y “El Ansia de Saber”, con un fragmento del libro “La suma de los días”, de Isabel Allende. Créditos: Cita introductoria: Todo cambia (Canción original de Julio Numhauser, ¿basada en un poema de M. A. Castillo?) “Crimson Tree” de Redthread está sujeta a una licencia de Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/) “Sewing machine” de Jagadamba en “Historias del abuelo procon” está sujeta a una licencia de Creative Commons Attribution (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/) Música de impacto en “Historias del abuelo procon” de “Museo Coconut” (Maricón y Tontico) “Ram Das” de Esponja en “Testimonios Psicodélicos” está sujeta a una licencia de Creative Commons Attribution (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/) “Broken Brains” de Esponja está sujeta a una licencia de Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/) Fuentes: https://www.facebook.com/CONEIXTEICREIX/ http://iceers.org/ https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio_Numhauser http://www.laweekly.com/music/ten-celebrity-ayahuasca-users-4169438 http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/01/21/chelsea-handler-joins-other-stars-in-exploring-ayahuasca.html http://enbuscadelosagrado.blogspot.com.es/2009/11/la-experiencia-de-isabel-allende-con-la.html

Download Natalie Ginsberg - MAPS Policy and Advocacy Manager In this discussion, Natalie shares her insights surrounding U.S. and international policy around drugs. We talk about The opiate and opioid crisis Commission on Narcotic Drugs in Vienna Ibogaine to help combat the crisis U.S. and International Drug Policy United Nations - The Commission on Narcotic Drugs -  Special Session on the World Drug Problem Ways to get involved in advocacy ICEERS - The International Center for Ethnobotanical Education, Research & Service Titrated doses of Ibogane instead of larger bolus doses Ayahuasca Defense Fund MDMA-assisted psychotherapy The Trump Administration and what does it mean for scientific and academic research We understand that this episode had a bit of static/noise. We believe that it was due to technology difficulties. We have attached a transcript of the conversation below. Enjoy! Click here to download the episode transcript: Natalie Ginsberg Transcript Bio: Natalie earned her Master's in Social Work from Columbia University in 2014, and her Bachelor's in History from Yale University in 2011. At Columbia, Natalie served as a Policy Fellow at the Drug Policy Alliance, where she helped legalize medical marijuana in her home state of New York, and worked to end New York's racist marijuana arrests. Natalie has also worked as a court-mandated therapist for individuals arrested for prostitution and drug-related offenses, and as a middle school guidance counselor at an NYC public school. Natalie's clinical work with trauma survivors spurred her interest in psychedelic-assisted therapy, which she believes can ease a wide variety of both mental and physical ailments by addressing the root cause of individuals' difficulties, rather than their symptoms. Through her work at MAPS, Natalie advocates for research to provide evidence-based alternatives to both the war on drugs and the current mental health paradigm. Links: Episode Transcript Privilege and Safety in the Psychedelic Community Catharsis, A Burn on the Mall to Heal from the Election Get in touch with Natalie: Twitter MAPS.org Psychedelics Today Natalie Ginsberg Transcript Facebook Recent Posts & Episodes [pt_view id="34a4e22z59"]