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On the "CBS News Weekend Roundup", host Allison Keyes has team coverage on the new pope from CBS's Tony Dokoupil, Seth Doane and Adriana Diaz.  We'll get the latest from CBS' Jo Ling Kent on how new parents are handling huge price increases as they try to stock up on essential baby products. In the "Kaleidoscope with Allison Keyes" segment, a discussion about the Supreme Court order allowing the Trump Administration ban on transgender military service to take effect while litigation continues in a lower court. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pope Leo XIV was born Robert Francis Prevost in Chicago, Illinois, in 1955. He is also a citizen of Peru, where he worked for many years. CBS News' Norah O'Donnell has covered two papal conclaves, including the election of Pope Francis. She reflects on the historic moment when white smoke rose from the Sistine Chapel and Pope Leo XIV emerged from St. Peter's Basilica. Cheers erupted in St. Peter's Square as white smoke rose from the Sistine Chapel, signaling the election of a new pope. CBS Mornings' Tony Dokoupil was in the crowd and captured the moment. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The cardinals electing the next pope will vote again Thursday afternoon after black smoke rose again from the Sistine Chapel Thursday, indicating no pope was selected in the conclave's latest round of voting. The secrecy surrounding the conclave hasn't stopped people from trying to predict the results. Three of the major betting markets alone have taken in more than $19 million in wagers. Known as papal vestments, the pope's official attire has long been made by two family-run tailoring businesses in Rome. They're eagerly waiting to watch white smoke rise from the Sistine Chapel and see a new pope emerge, possibly wearing the garments they created. The price tag of parenthood is becoming more expensive. Tariffs in the escalating trade war between China and the U.S. are driving up prices on baby products, impacting businesses and customers. CBS News' Jo Ling Kent reports. CBS News' Elizabeth Palmer reports on how Russia's wartime past is being honored even as the fight in Ukraine continues.Billionaire businessman and philanthropist Bill Gates tells "CBS Mornings" co-host Tony Dokoupil about his plans to give away $200 billion through the Gates Foundation over the next 20 years. He also criticized the Trump administration's foreign aid cuts, saying they will lead to millions more child deaths worldwide. Actor Lovie Simone discusses her lead role in "Forever," a new Netflix series exploring teenage romance and self-discovery in 2018 Los Angeles. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill Belichick has always been a master of control—on the field, in the press, and with his own narrative. But this episode examines how that carefully crafted reputation is unraveling, not because of a fumbled statement, but due to the outsize influence of his much-younger girlfriend, Jordan Hudson. A viral CBS interview, public statements blaming the media, and confusion about her expanding “professional” role—all illustrate a pattern where the desire to squash uncomfortable questions only fuels more curiosity and suspicion for the current UNC football coach. Using the latest PR missteps as a case study, the episode spotlights the danger of losing control over the story to someone whose only real credential is main character energy. When boundary issues and amateur crisis management collide, even New England legends risk getting steamrolled by bad optics. The tension between protecting privacy and inviting chaos gets put under the spotlight, challenging listeners to recognize when a message stops being strategy and starts becoming farce.In this episode:The real cost of outsourcing reputation management to someone with minimal experience and maximum influenceWhy blaming the media—and the audience—always backfires, no matter how famous you areHow losing internal boundaries blurs personal and professional roles, turning even legacy brands into tabloid fodderWant More Behind the Breakdown? Follow The PR Breakdown with Molly McPherson on Substack for early access to podcast episodes, exclusive member chats, weekly lives, and monthly workshops that go deeper than the mic. It's the insider's hub for communicators who want strategy with spine—and a little side-eye where it counts.Follow Molly → @MollyMcPherson Subscribe to PR Breakdown on Substack → prbreakdown.media Need a Keynote Speaker? Drawing from real-world PR battles, Molly delivers the same engaging stories and hard-won crisis insights from the podcast to your live audience. Click here to book Molly for your next meeting. Follow & Connect with Molly: https://www.youtube.com/mollymcpherson https://www.tiktok.com/@mollybmcpherson https://www.instagram.com/molly.mcpherson/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/mollymcpherson/ © 2025 The PR Breakdown with Molly McPherson

The papal conclave meets to begin the process of picking Pope Francis' successor. CBS News polling shows American Catholics overwhelmingly approved of how Pope Francis led the church, but they're split on where to go next. CBS News' Seth Doane has more. CBS News business analyst Jill Schlesinger joins "CBS Mornings" to discuss the Federal Reserves' upcoming interest rate decision on Wednesday and what it could mean for your finances. For the second time in just over a week, an F/A-18E Super Hornet fighter jet assigned to the USS Harry S. Truman has ended up at the bottom of the Red Sea. U.S. defense officials say the jet was trying to land on the carrier when it failed to catch the wire, sending the $70 million aircraft overboard. Both pilots safely ejected and were rescued by a helicopter. Clinical psychologist Dr. Sheryl Ziegler joins "CBS Mornings" to discuss her new book, "The Crucial Years," offering guidance for parents on supporting children's mental health from ages 6 to 12.A new CBS News poll shows 42% of U.S. Catholics think the next pope should continue Pope Francis' teachings. "CBS Mornings" co-host Tony Dokoupil spoke with some Americans who are in Rome about what they want to see in the next leader of the Catholic Church. As new bipartisan legislation aims to end penny production, CBS News' Ed O'Keefe visits collectors, small business owners and experts who say the coin still holds sentimental and historical value.Hannah Berner and Paige DeSorbo, the hosts of the hit podcast "Giggly Squad," return to "CBS Mornings" to discuss their new book, "How to Giggle," packed with tips on handling awkward moments and finding joy in everyday life. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We have tasked Stephen Waldron with booking CBS interviewer Tony Dokoupil to talk about his interactions with Belichick and Jordon. Gio has a little scuttlebutt on Waldron from some of the people that work with him.

JJ Redick abruptly left a post-game interview after being questioned about substitutions, which Boomer likened to the Knicks hiring Wally Szczerbiak as coach. Gio, a Knicks fan, isn't overly enthusiastic about tonight's game. A caller shared his list of big words BT uses, suggesting it's to dominate Sal. Jerry's update: The Rockets beat Golden State (Steph Curry has a swollen hand), and audio of JJ Redick's walk-off press conference was played. Kendrick Perkins criticized Redick. The Yankees lost in Baltimore amid some controversy over an Orioles steal. The Mets struggled with runners in scoring position. Jameis Winston did a Sopranos impression. In the final segment, a caller doubted Tony Dokoupil would appear on their show, and a knowledgeable Boston caller discussed the Belichick situation.

Boomer is enjoying 'MobLand' and thinks he had a mutual "where do I know you from?" moment with Ryan Reynolds. They're trying to book Tony Dokoupil to discuss Belichick and Jordon, and Gio has some behind-the-scenes info on the booker. They discussed Jon Rothstein's life-altering accident. Jerry's update: Aaron Judge homered in a Yankees loss, the Rockies got their 5th win, and the Mets' home winning streak ended with a loss to the D-Backs. They celebrated Chris Majkowski's 5,000th game with a clip of him yelling during a brawl. Al predicts Belichick won't coach at UNC. Boomer watched Tom Brady and Peyton Manning hitting golf balls at Jim Nantz's house and recently taped something with Manning. A caller asked about watching the Knicks game on his wife's birthday.

Hour 1 The Lakers' early playoff exit after trading for Luka Doncic is Boomer's top sports story due to the financial implications of Luka leaving money on the table (possibly California taxes). The Knicks have a 3-2 series lead against Detroit, with Cade Cunningham guaranteeing a game seven, which Gio isn't focused on yet. Jerry's sports update: Mets lost to the D-Backs (Mendoza cited lack of clutch hits, Frank The Tank is frustrated with Ryne Stanek, and Chris Majkowski hit 5,000 consecutive Mets games). The Yankees lost in Baltimore, leading to a Maury Povich discussion between Dave Sims and Suzyn Waldman. A Pirates fan is in critical condition after a 21-foot fall. Lastly, the CBS/Jordon Hudson & Bill Belichick story continues with the NY Post digging into Hudson's alleged $8 million real estate gain after meeting Belichick. Hour 2 Boomer is enjoying 'MobLand' and thinks he had a mutual "where do I know you from?" moment with Ryan Reynolds. They're trying to book Tony Dokoupil to discuss Belichick and Jordon, and Gio has some behind-the-scenes info on the booker. They discussed Jon Rothstein's life-altering accident. Jerry's update: Aaron Judge homered in a Yankees loss, the Rockies got their 5th win, and the Mets' home winning streak ended with a loss to the D-Backs. They celebrated Chris Majkowski's 5,000th game with a clip of him yelling during a brawl. Al predicts Belichick won't coach at UNC. Boomer watched Tom Brady and Peyton Manning hitting golf balls at Jim Nantz's house and recently taped something with Manning. A caller asked about watching the Knicks game on his wife's birthday. Hour 3 JJ Redick abruptly left a post-game interview after being questioned about substitutions, which Boomer likened to the Knicks hiring Wally Szczerbiak as coach. Gio, a Knicks fan, isn't overly enthusiastic about tonight's game. A caller shared his list of big words BT uses, suggesting it's to dominate Sal. Jerry's update: The Rockets beat Golden State (Steph Curry has a swollen hand), and audio of JJ Redick's walk-off press conference was played. Kendrick Perkins criticized Redick. The Yankees lost in Baltimore amid some controversy over an Orioles steal. The Mets struggled with runners in scoring position. Jameis Winston did a Sopranos impression. In the final segment, a caller doubted Tony Dokoupil would appear on their show, and a knowledgeable Boston caller discussed the Belichick situation. Hour 4 Stephen Waldron is struggling to book the CBS interviewer for the Belichick/girlfriend story, so Boomer might handle it. They discussed the new information and statements from CBS and Belichick regarding the interview. A caller shared a story about Evan Roberts allegedly peeing in a cup to avoid missing game action. Jerry's final update: The Timberwolves beat the Lakers (audio from Luka), and the Mets lost to the D-Backs (their second home loss). The Moment of The Day was Chris Majkowski's "get out of the spot" during a brawl. Mike from Boomer's foundation, who injured himself in a bike tour, joined the show.

CBS News has obtained a list of Justice Department cutbacks showing the Trump administration is pulling funding from local initiatives that many say are vital to public safety. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem spoke with "CBS Mornings" co-host Tony Dokoupil along the U.S.-Mexico border in El Paso, Texas, where she discussed the Trump administration's immigration crackdown, sending dozens of migrants to a maximum security prison in El Salvador, the "part of our process we need to fix," and more. Jen McCabe, a key witness in Karen Read's retrial, told a Massachusetts jury on Tuesday about a frantic phone call from Read in the early hours of January 29, 2022, screaming that her boyfriend, John O'Keefe, was missing. Read is accused of hitting O'Keefe with her car and leaving him to die.Southwest Airlines is outlining its new fare bundles that passengers can expect to soon see. Southwest will introduce a new cabin that offers extra leg room. For now, the seat will be free, but early in 2026, the airline will switch to assigned seating. Plus, starting in May, most passengers will have to pay to check a bag. CBS News senior transportation correspondent Kris Van Cleave has more. As President Trump marks 100 days in office, CBS News' Caitlin Huey-Burns sits down with voters in Georgia and North Carolina to hear their thoughts on his performance so far. At 100 years old, Sun Ra Arkestra bandleader Marshall Allen is celebrated by the National Endowment for the Arts as a living legend in jazz. CBS News national correspondent Jericka Duncan sat down with him. Geena Davis, star of "Thelma & Louise," shares how her new book, "The Girl Who Was Too Big for the Page," encourages kids to stand tall and embrace who they are. Comedian and commentator Samantha Bee joins "CBS Mornings" to talk about her one-woman show, inspired by her own experience with menopause and the lack of honest conversation around it. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

-Belichick, the head man at North Carolina, was sitting down for an interview with reporter Tony Dokoupil, to discuss his dad's influence on his career, drafting Tom Brady and other topics-He did the interview with his 24-year-old girlfriend Jordon Hudson sitting just a few feet away, and she interrupted at times that she didn't want Bill to talk about certain things…very oddShow sponsored by SANDHILLS GLOBALOur Sponsors:* Check out Hims: https://hims.com/EARLYBREAKAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

White House officials say 139,000 unauthorized immigrants have been deported in President Trump's first 100 days. A new CBS News poll shows 56% of Americans approve of Mr. Trump's plan to deport immigrants who came to the U.S. illegally, a key promise from the president. However, his overall handling of immigration has slipped to 49% approval. In President Trump's first 100 days, tariffs have been at the center of his economic policy. Goods made in the U.S. make up 10% of the country's total gross domestic product, which the president hopes to change. CBS News' Weijia Jiang has more on how businesses are being affected. DHS Secretary Kristi Noem told "CBS Mornings" co-host Tony Dokoupil that she's "very confident" the people arrested for stealing her purse are undocumented migrants. "From the information that has been shared with me so far in the investigation," Noem said, "these are career criminals." Speaking at a Michigan air base today, President Trump is expected to ease tariffs on automakers just weeks after imposing them, as tensions rise with Canada's newly elected liberal government. On Monday, prosecutors in Karen Read's retrial called a forensic cellphone expert who testified about when John O'Keefe's phone likely stopped working. The expert also testified that O'Keefe, who was Read's police officer boyfriend, likely never made it inside a home for a party, potentially hurting the defense's argument. Only on "CBS Mornings," English teacher Ashlie Crosson of Mifflin County High School in Pennsylvania is honored as the 2025 National Teacher of the Year for her impact on students and journalism program leadership. In an interview with "CBS Mornings," Jeremy Renner reflects on his snowcat accident, his recovery, and the life lessons he writes about in his new memoir "My Next Breath." To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hosted by Jane Pauley. In our cover story, Seth Doane reports on the funeral of Pope Francis, and the pontiff's legacy. Plus: David Martin looks back at the events of the Fall of Saigon, 50 years ago this week; Mo Rocca traces the life of singer-songwriter Bobby Darin, the subject of a Broadway musical; Lee Cowan observes the centennial of the publication of F. Scott Fitzgerald's “The Great Gatsby,” while David Pogue marks the 20th anniversary of YouTube; and Tony Dokoupil sits down with former New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Millions of student loan borrowers in default could soon see their wages garnished under the Trump administration's policies, and Americans who entered public service fields expecting loan forgiveness could see that promise broken. CBS News' Nancy Chen explains. A new FBI report reveals cybercrime spiked last year, with older Americans losing the most money. CBS News senior business and tech correspondent Jo Ling Kent breaks down the data and trends. Investigators say they have identified human remains found near a group of murder victims on Gilgo Beach after partial remains were first discovered in 1997. Police say the remains may not be connected to Rex Heuermann, who has pleaded not guilty to killing seven women, six of whom were found near Gilgo Beach. Starting at 14 years old, Jelly Roll spent a decade in and out of jail for drug possession, dealing, shoplifting and aggravated robbery. Now, he wants to be a role model for others looking for a second chance. The Tennessee Board of Parole voted to recommend a pardon for the 40-year-old country artist. CBS Mornings co-host Tony Dokoupil takes on a hands-on mission to build a house as part of our "Never Too Late" series, exploring the value of learning new skills and reconnecting with family traditions. Award-winning chef José Andrés joins "CBS Mornings" to talk about his new book, "Change the Recipe," which shares powerful lessons from his decades in the kitchen and his mission to make the world a better place. Global Citizen ambassador Hugh Jackman and CEO Hugh Evans join "CBS Mornings" to preview next week's Global Citizen Now summit in New York, which brings together leaders and artists to drive action toward ending extreme poverty. Music legend Smokey Robinson joins "CBS Mornings" to mark 50 years since "A Quiet Storm" and talk about his new album "What the World Needs Now," featuring soulful covers and messages of gratitude. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The editor in chief of The Atlantic says White House national security adviser Mike Waltz invited him to join a group chat on Signal, an encrypted messaging app. Waltz, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and other top U.S. officials then texted about plans to attack Houthi targets in Yemen. While Hegseth has denied the allegations, the National Security Council said the thread "appears to be authentic." A preliminary investigation into the death of Miller Gardner, the 14-year-old son of former New York Yankee Brett Gardner, indicates he may have died from possible food poisoning.  Police say multiple incendiary devices were found at a Tesla showroom in Austin, Texas, on Monday in the latest in a series of attacks on Elon Musk's company. The FBI has launched a task force to investigate the attacks. The National Medal of Honor Museum is set to open to the public Tuesday in Arlington, Texas. The sister of one recipient has criticized the museum for how it honors her brother. She spoke to "CBS Mornings" co-host Tony Dokoupil. Trailblazing athlete Kimmy Fasani returns to competition after battling breast cancer, placing third in the 2023 Natural Selection Tour. In her new documentary "Butterfly in a Blizzard," she offers a personal look at balancing recovery, motherhood and the sport she loves. She joins "CBS Mornings." March Madness is in full swing with the Sweet 16 set for the men's and women's NCAA basketball tournaments. All of the top seeds* are still alive on both sides and four schools have the chance to make their own history, by winning both the men's and women's tournament in the same year. "Inside the NBA" host Ernie Johnson, part of CBS' March Madness coverage joins "CBS Mornings" to break down the biggest storylines. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As the House and Senate work to hammer down budget reconciliation, President Trump reasserts his America First priorities and how "ONE BIG, BEAUTIFUL BILL" will, without question, make America great again! President Trump and Elon were sympatico on Hannity, stomping out mumblings on the Left that there is a "who is in charge" tussle between the two. The Left and their lamestream media outlets just can't seem to help themselves and CBS decided to continue its losing streak. Earlier this week it was Margaret Brennan, now it's Tony Dokoupil when he sat down with Senator Tom Cotton. Senator Cotton has been one of the harshest critics of China and Dokoupil looked foolish when he mentioned China wanting to dominate like the U.S. and how crucial DEI is to the overall strength of America. The Associated Press has long used their stylebook to weaponize language in favor of the Left and the Trump White House has finally put their foot down in the access they receive to President Trump. Maybe today's guest Rob Bluey and The Daily Signal will create a new stylebook! Our all-star panel is here to unpack it all on today's show... stick around to the end for this week's winners and losers! Featuring: Rob Bluey President & Executive Editor | The Daily Signal https://www.dailysignal.com/ Jenn Pellegrino Senior Director of Media Affairs & Chief Spokesperson | AFPI https://americafirstpolicy.com/ Caitlin Sinclair Political Commentator Spokeswoman | American Values PAC https://www.avpac.us/ Today's show is brought to you by these great sponsors: TAX Network USA Whether you owe $10,000 or $10 million, Tax Network USA can help you! Reach out to them today at 1-800-245-6000 or visit https://tnusa.com/SEANSPICER Beam For a limited time got 40% of Beam's Dream Powder. Dream Powder with Reishi, Magnesium, L-Theanine, Apigenin and Melatonin to help you fall asleep, stay asleep, and wake up refreshed. Just head to https://shopbeam.com/SPICER for 40% off. ------------------------------------------------------------- 1️⃣ Subscribe and ring the bell for new videos: https://youtube.com/seanmspicer?sub_confirmation=1 2️⃣ Become a part of The Sean Spicer Show community: https://www.seanspicer.com/ 3️⃣ Listen to the full audio show on all platforms: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-sean-spicer-show/id1701280578 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/32od2cKHBAjhMBd9XntcUd iHeart: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-the-sean-spicer-show-120471641/ 4️⃣ Stay in touch with Sean on social media: Facebook: https://facebook.com/seanmspicer Twitter: https://twitter.com/seanspicer Instagram: https://instagram.com/seanmspicer/ 5️⃣ Follow The Sean Spicer Show on social media: Facebook: https://facebook.com/seanspicershow Twitter: https://twitter.com/seanspicershow Instagram: https://instagram.com/seanspicershow #politics #news #theseanspicershow #seanspicer #conservativemedia #podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After celebrations in Israel from people hopeful that October 7th hostages would soon be released, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu delays final approval of the ceasefire deal with Hamas. CBS News' Elizabeth Palmer has the latest.Pam Bondi, President-elect Donald Trump's choice for attorney general, made her case to senators Wednesday on Capitol Hill. Meanwhile, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio answered questions from his own colleagues on his nomination to be Trump's secretary of state, gaining bipartisan support.Hundreds of thousands of people will gather on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on Monday to witness the second inauguration of President-elect Donald Trump. CBS News' Nicole Sganga shows how security officials are preparing after months of planning.As Donald Trump prepares to return to the Oval Office, his election gains among men have become a key focus. They suggest voters weren't satisfied with the way Democrats have addressed economic and societal changes that have had a disproportionate impact on men. Tony Dokoupil has more.CBS News Sacramento's Ashley Sharp has received widespread praise for assisting families affected by the Los Angeles wildfires, sharing updates on their homes on TikTok. They have garnered millions of views and offer comfort to those who have evacuated. She joins "CBS Mornings."Beauty mogul Victoria Jackson, known for revolutionizing the industry in the 80s with her "no makeup" makeup look, is making a comeback with her signature philosophy.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

On this week's "CBS News Weekend Roundup", anchor Stacy Lyn provides the latest on the deadly attack in New Orleans with reporting from CBS's Omar Villafranca, Tony Dokoupil and Michelle Miller. A new Congress was sworn in and House Speaker Mike Johnson secures the gavel in a close vote. Major Garrett with details. A look back at the life and legacy of former President Jimmy Carter, featuring sound from Carter's grandson, Jason. In this week's Kaleidoscope, Kalliopi Mingeirou, the Chief of the Ending Violence Against Women Section at UN Women, joins Stacy to talk about the latest report on "femicides," or violence against women and girls.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hosted by Jane Pauley. In our cover story, Lee Cowan visits Ted Turner's private nature preserves, some of which are being opened to the public. Also: Tracy Smith sits down with actress, singer and businesswoman Selena Gomez; Mark Phillips interviews former German Chancellor Angela Merkel about her new memoir; Tony Dokoupil goes into the kitchen with chef Tom Colicchio; Mo Rocca profiles radio DJ Elvis Duran; and Jim Axelrod talks with author Wright Thompson, whose book, “The Barn,” explores the 1955 murder of Emmett Till.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Today, Jonathan and Sy speak with author and housing advocate Kevin Nye about the Church and homelessness. We get into:-        The ineffective housing policies Christians often promote-        The bad theology behind those policies-        A run-in Kevin had with institutional resistance to his view that governments shouldn't criminalize homelessness-        How churches can get things right in ministries to unhoused people-        Plus, hear our thoughts on the interview,-        A discussion of how we are resisting the negative ways the election is trying to shape us mentally and spiritually-        And our thoughts on all the discourse around Ta-Nehisi Coates' controversial new bookMentioned in the episode:-        Kevin's article on Christians mistakenly rejecting housing-first policies-        Josiah Haken's book, Neighbors with No Doors-        Kevin's article on Christianity Today's coverage of homelessness-        His article in RNS about a Supreme Court case on unhoused people's constitutional rights-        His book, Grace Can Lead Us Home: A Christian Call to End Homelessness-        His Substack, Who Is My Neighbor?-        Ta-Nehisi Coates' new book, The Message-        Our newsletter with links to a couple of Coates' interviewsCredits-            Follow KTF Press on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads. Subscribe to get our bonus episodes and other benefits at KTFPress.com.-        Follow host Jonathan Walton on Facebook Instagram, and Threads.-        Follow host Sy Hoekstra on Mastodon.-        Our theme song is “Citizens” by Jon Guerra – listen to the whole song on Spotify.-        Our podcast art is by Robyn Burgess – follow her and see her other work on Instagram.-        Editing by Multitude Productions-        Transcripts by Joyce Ambale and Sy Hoekstra.-        Production by Sy Hoekstra and our incredible subscribersTranscript[An acoustic guitar softly plays six notes in a major scale, the first three ascending and the last three descending, with a keyboard pad playing the tonic in the background. Both fade out as Jonathan Walton says “This is a KTF Press podcast.”]Kevin Nye: If you're an average middle class American Christian and you want to become wealthy, have a private jet, a mansion, here's your spiritual steps. Get closer to Jesus, you'll be rewarded with physical wealth. Well, if that's true, the opposite of that would be true, which is that if you are in deep dire poverty, it must mean that you're that much farther from Jesus.[The song “Citizens” by Jon Guerra fades in. Lyrics: “I need to know there is justice/ That it will roll in abundance/ And that you're building a city/ Where we arrive as immigrants/ And you call us citizens/ And you welcome us as children home.” The song fades out.]Intro and HousekeepingJonathan Walton: Welcome to Shake the Dust, seeking Jesus, confronting injustice. I'm Jonathan Walton.Sy Hoekstra: And I am Sy Hoekstra, today is gonna be a great one for you. We have a conversation that we're gonna have before we get into our interview, kind of about the election. A little bit of a catch up, since this is actually going to be our last show before the presidential election, which now that I say it into a microphone, is a little bit scary [laughter]. We're gonna be having a conversation today with author, theologian and housing activist Kevin Nye. I've been looking forward to this one for a long time. Basically, the church is extremely involved in housing policy in America, and we are often going about it the wrong way, and that's often because of a lot of bad theology and some falsehoods that we believe about unhoused people, and so Kevin will help us get deep into that.He's a great resource and a great person to talk about it with, as well as some of the more systemic issues of why we have such an entrenched way of thinking about unhoused people. You'll be able to hear Jonathan and my thoughts about the interview afterwards, and we will get into our segment Which Tab Is Still Open, where we go a little bit deeper into one of the recommendations from our newsletter. This week we're talking all about Ta-Nehisi Coates and his new book, The Message and some of the discussions that have been happening around it. Also, one quick note. My voice might sound a little groggy, because about 12 hours ago, I was at game one of the American League Championship Series [laughter] and I screamed my face off.Is that a wise thing for a podcaster to do before recording? Maybe not, but I trust that you all will forgive me [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Yes, and for the uninitiated, we're talking about baseball [laughs].Sy Hoekstra: Yes, that's a good point. American League Championship Series, that's a baseball series [laughter].Jonathan Walton: But before we get into all that, please friends, remember to go to KTFPress.com and become a paid subscriber to support this show and everything we do here at KTF Press. We've been creating media that centers personal and informed discussions on faith, politics and culture, and that helps you seek Jesus and confront injustice. You've been listening for a while or the first time, you need to know we're resisting the idols of the American church by elevating marginalized voices and taking the entirety of Jesus' gospel more seriously than those who narrow it to sin and salvation. The two of us have [laughs] a lot of experience doing this, have been practicing this in community for a while, and as Maya Angelou would say, we're always practicing Christianity.So if you wanna do that, you could do that with us. We'd love for you to become a paid subscriber. You get all the bonus episodes of this show, access to our monthly subscriber Zoom chats, and you can comment on posts and more. So again, go to KTFPress.com to join us and become a paid subscriber.Sy Hoekstra: A couple of quick announcements before we get into everything. In two weeks there will not be an episode. That's just a couple days after the election. We're gonna let things settle a little bit.Jonathan Walton: Hopefully so.Sy Hoekstra: I mean, hopefully settle a little bit before [laughter] we have our sort of clean, edited podcast discussion about the election. However, we are going to do something a little bit different the day after the election. So that'll be Wednesday, November 6th at 1 pm. We are going to be having a Substack live conversation. So that means basically, if you have the Substack app, you will be able to watch us just have a live conversation about the election, what happened the night before, what we're thinking, how we can move forward faithfully now that the voting is done, and all of the potential chaos that comes after that. If you don't have the app, you can download it on the App Store or the Google Play Store. Anybody who's on our email list will get an email notification or a push notification from the app when we start.So if you're not on our email list, go to KTFPress.com and sign up. Even just the free email list, you'll get that notification. The email will have a link to download the app if you don't have it. So Substack live Wednesday, November 6th, at 1 pm to talk about the election. A little bit more raw, unfiltered, that sort of thing [laughter]. And then we'll have a finale episode, we'll announce the date later once we have that set. You'll be able to comment in the chat of the Substack live, so you can put your comments and your questions there. So come prepared to dialog a little bit. We're excited to try this new feature that Substack has rolled out. Also our next Zoom chat for subscribers will be this upcoming Tuesday, October 29th at 1 pm.So if you want to join in on that, please become a paid subscriber. If you already are a paid subscriber, then the link to register for that is in your email already. Go back to your emails from us and check for it, submit your questions. We have had some really great conversations at the four or five of these that we've done so far, and we look forward to another one this Tuesday.How Has the Election Been Shaping Us? And How Are We Resisting?Sy Hoekstra: Alright Jonathan, before the interview, we're gonna start off with an election question that will kind of let us give some of our final thoughts going into actual voting day. This is a question that you came up with, and I like it a lot, actually. Jonathan, how has this election been trying to shape you and how have you been resisting it?Jonathan Walton: Yeah. I think just hanging out in this space of formation, like we're impacted by things around us, and it's literally making us into new people or different kinds of people. I have an injury in my hip, and it's like, I ran marathons and did lots of sports and work, and so my hip is shaped differently because of the pressure that I put on it.Our Political Culture Tries to Instill Fear, but Jesus Doesn'tJonathan Walton: And so I think that culture is trying to shape me into an anxious, fearful person, because violent crime can be down in the United States, but my fears about my daughter getting older and going to the train, I'm terrified.Sy Hoekstra: Really?Jonathan Walton: Oh yeah. It's terrible. It's terrible.Sy Hoekstra: Interesting.Jonathan Walton: People are like, “Oh yeah, my kid walked to the train,” I'm like, clutch my pearls.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs] Oh, you're one of those New York City parents.Jonathan Walton: Yeah. And some of its familiarity, I never did that. That just wasn't my reality. I think it's more that than all of the fears that people have. It's just unfamiliar to me. And so I think that the Democrats would love for me to fear the apocalypse, and the Republicans would love for me to fear the apocalypse [laughter].Sy Hoekstra: Different apocalypses.Jonathan Walton: Yeah, different apocalyptic visions for the state of this country and the world. And that is a very effective fundraising tactic. It's a very effective way to get people out to vote, because having people be motivated by fear rather than love is better for the prince of the power of the air. It's better for the wills within us that are not submitted to God and trusting him for our well being and the well being of those around us, and leaning into that. And so I think that I want to reject the gospel of self reliance. I want to reject the gospel that I have to control everything and hold it all close and accumulate more and protect that which I accumulate, like all that I got. I just have to say no to that, because I don't wanna be afraid all the time and then make all the people around me more afraid. I don't think Jesus made people afraid.He made demons afraid, but off the top of my head, I cannot… like Judas wasn't even afraid of Jesus. The fear and reverence of the Lord and all of those kinds of things where the angels and the Father say, “Don't be afraid,” Jesus speaking to people did not instill fear in them. I don't think I need to be motivated or driven or attracted or tempted towards fear about anything.Sy Hoekstra: I mean, there are people who seemed kind of afraid of him, but they were all powerful and largely oppressive people.Jonathan Walton: [laughs] That's true.Sy Hoekstra: Herod seemed pretty afraid of Jesus [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Herod was terrified. Yeah, that's true. I don't think that Jesus' goal in conversation dialog was for someone to be afraid.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah, that's correct.Jonathan Walton: And then for them to be compelled to follow him because they were scared. Like that… it is literally the opposite of a fire and brimstone call to faith. It's not congruent with the Christ of scripture.Resisting Cynicism by Choosing Where to Place Our HopeJonathan Walton: So what about you? How do you think our current political [laughs] realities, would love for you to be in the world?Sy Hoekstra: It feels like they would love for me to be a cynic. I don't know, someone who's just a real downer. Because I would say, if you'd asked this eight years ago, I would have said they would want me to be depressed. Because at that time, Trump just felt so dark and foreboding in a way that was deeply sad to me. Not exactly scary, but just really, really depressing. I think now I'm actually thinking more about the Democrats when I say that, because as we are recording, the Biden administration has said some very tentative things about a maybe possible weapons embargo if some undefined humanitarian crisis in Gaza is not vetted in the next month. So we'll see how that works out over the next week and a half until this publishes.But basically, up until now, it's kind of been you've got to toe the party line. You got to be effectively totally pro Israel to be in line with the Biden administration and also with the Harris campaign. That could lose them Michigan maybe or whatever, but ultimately coming out for a ceasefire or something else they must have done the calculus is gonna lose them more.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: The reason that that makes me cynical is just so much in politics, it's just about that. It's just about, are you gonna get elected or not? I think Jonathan, and I've been convinced for a long time, it is pretty impossible to be a politician and follow Jesus, because if you follow Jesus you're not gonna be a politician anymore [laughter]. Because the whole point is you got to get reelected, and you got to do whatever it takes to do that. You've got to change your mind on issues, you've got to spend money, you've got to be a hypocrite. Doesn't matter, you've just got to get reelected. There are probably certain scenarios, like certain places that you could be elected and have integrity for smaller offices than the President [laughs], that would lead me to some amount of cynicism about the whole system and despair if my faith was in the system. If I was looking to who the next president is to determine my hope for the world.And it's kind of a cheesy Christian thing maybe to say, but my hope is in Jesus. But I think it's actually, even honestly, if your hope was not in Jesus, if it was just in something other than what's happening in our current politics, that's a very powerful thing. You know what I mean? It is a very powerful thing to genuinely have your emotional steadiness in something other than whatever's happening in politics. And for me, that's Jesus. But you know, so that's where I'm trying to sit, and that's why I'm trying to resist the way that the election is trying to make me a cynic.Can Christians Be Politicians Faithfully?Sy Hoekstra: You keep taking breaths like you have something that you wanna say immediately [laughs] [unclear 00:11:14].Jonathan Walton: I'm thinking, if I heard you right you were like, you believe it may be impossible to follow Jesus and be a politician?Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: And I was thinking about that because I think it's like, we would have to define follower of Jesus and define politician.Sy Hoekstra: Sure.Jonathan Walton: But it's interesting to me that it is impossible to be a servant of empire and follow Jesus. Like it's possible, because Jesus calls them out to be a non-Christian religious person. It is possible for Cornelius to be in the military and be faithful to God.Sy Hoekstra: I see what you're saying.Jonathan Walton: Yeah, but what you're getting at is the incoherence of that reality that we try to assert. So for example, I think it's possible to be a Christian politician. It is impossible to make politics Christian.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. And if you want to be a Christian politician, you're gonna have to recognize that your job is going to be constantly, ceaselessly trying to pull you away from Jesus [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Yeah. It is impossible to follow Jesus and be a politician, if a politician is what you are trying to be.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. I got you.Jonathan Walton: It is possible to follow Jesus and hold elected office, you know what I mean? But there are some people whose complete identity, which is what you're talking about, “I'm only here to get reelected. I wanna accumulate power, I wanna do that,” like it is impossible to be a politician.Sy Hoekstra: I think it's a little bit harder than that though, because it's not just about your identity if you're a politician, your job is to get reelected. That's what everyone is looking for you to do. That's what your party's looking for you to do, all people who work for you, obviously, that's what they're looking for you to do [laughter].Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: Literally, if you don't get reelected, you can't do the job anymore. So it's like it is an integral part of the job description itself. It's not even just an issue of where your identity lies. You know what I mean?Jonathan Walton: That's true. Listen, if you're listening to this, I would love to hear what you think.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: Love to hear what you think. Unfortunately, the philosophical argument, the dominoes could start to fall around lots of professions. It's interesting. We're probably gonna talk about this as a subscriber chat now. So there we go [laughter].Sy Hoekstra: There we go.Jonathan Walton: Cool.Sy Hoekstra: Cool. Thanks for that little brief discussion as we go into the voting booths, which is in like a week and a half from when you're listening to this, if it's the day it comes out. And as we continue to behave politically after the voting happens, which I hope everyone listening to this show is doing [laughs], let's try and be shrewd. Innocent and shrewd, right?Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: That's what Jesus wants us to be.Jonathan Walton: [laughs].Sy Hoekstra: And let's continue to think hard about that. I appreciate that discussion. Let's try to find a way to continue it. We are gonna get into our interview now before we come back and talk about our thoughts on the interview and some stuff about Ta-Nehisi Coates [laughter] in Which Tab Is Still Open.Interview with Kevin NyeOur guest today, as I said, is Kevin Nye. He is a writer and advocate working to end homelessness through engaging best practices. He has written on the intersections of homelessness and faith for Religion News Service, Sojourners, Red Letter Christians and more. He has presented at national conferences on the topic of homelessness. His first book released in August of 2022 and it was called Grace Can Lead Us Home: A Christian Call to End Homelessness. Kevin currently lives with his wife and son in Minneapolis, Minnesota, where he works as the housing director for an organization addressing youth homelessness.Jonathan Walton: Let's get into our interview.[The intro piano music from “Citizens” by Jon Guerra plays briefly and then fades out.]Sy Hoekstra: Kevin Nye, thank you so much for joining us on Shake the Dust today.Kevin Nye: Absolutely. It's a pleasure to be here.The Effective ‘Housing-First' Policies Evangelicals Often RejectSy Hoekstra: You and I met about a year ago at the Evolving Faith conference, just after you had published what I thought was a really great article for Sojourners about kind of the difference between treatment-first housing policy and housing-first housing policy, which can, they can sound a bit wonky to people. But you talked about how it's a really important distinction, and how a lot of times Christians are making the wrong choice in choosing the treatment-first policy and favoring those types of policies. And so because I think this distinction will actually help us get at a lot of underlying kind of spiritual and theological issues when it comes to housing policy, can you tell us what these two different approaches are and why you think a lot of conservative Christians are picking the wrong one?Kevin Nye: Absolutely. So the treatment-first methodology, it's kind of the one that we've been using for almost 100 years in response to homelessness, but it also sort of infects a lot of our thinking about many different things. And it essentially says that if you are in poverty, if you are in homelessness, that you have to sort of prove your worthiness of getting out of that. So if you are experiencing homelessness, we know that ultimately the destination that you're hoping for is to be in housing of some kind, an apartment, a house, what have you. But that in order to get there under the treatment-first model, it suggests that you have to sort of check a bunch of boxes. And those boxes have looked different, according to the program, and according to the time that it's been implemented, but they usually include some level of sobriety.So if drugs or alcohol are part of your life, they have to stop. If you struggle with your mental health or even your physical health, that you have to ascribe to a particular treatment plan, and demonstrate your willingness to do that and to stay on it to then achieve whatever objective is set for you by some institution, which often is a shelter or a government program or a Christian institution, like a Rescue Mission. And then depending on which avenue you're going or which institution is involved, that can include a lot of other more arbitrary types of rules, like that if you demonstrate your worthiness or your dedication by applying for a certain number of jobs per week, or attaining employment first, or attending Bible study every day at the Rescue Mission. There's sort of all of these expectations to demonstrate that you are sort of good enough, worthy enough to invest in with this long-term opportunity.That is opposed to the housing-first idea, which we've known and understood for closer to like 30 years and have been studying and practicing ever since, which suggests that rather than do or accomplish all of these things to prove that you deserve housing, housing being sort of the end destination, we lead with the housing because we recognize that housing is the stabilizing force that makes so many of those other things possible. And then we don't just plop you in housing and say, “Good luck,” but we put you in housing and then ask you, “Okay, now, what do you wanna work on?” Now that you have this baseline of stability, of safety, a literal home base, what's next? Let's tackle it together. Now that you can get a good night's sleep. Now that you can charge your phone in an outlet overnight.Now that your documents and your medications are safe. Now that you can buy food to store it in a fridge, rather than go to whatever dinner is available for free for you across the community, or save up enough to get fast food just to fill your belly. All these things that we sort of take for granted that a home with four walls, a roof and a door provide for us are those things that we actually need to be successful. One's ability to stabilize a physical or mental health condition is really difficult if you don't have a safe place to go every night, like where you can store your medication safely, where you can eat a healthy diet, where you can have a normal routine. And even something like drug use and alcohol use, we understand are things that are responsive to a chaotic situation.That if you are living on the streets every day, you are more likely to seek out the soothing effects [laughs] of alcohol, the numbing effects of substances, or the energizing effects of other types of substances, in order to try to get things done that you need to get done. But that even folks who are deep in the throes of those kind of problematic relationships with drugs and alcohol do so much better with housing-first, rather than saying, “Hey, you need to fix all of these things before we even help you feel safe and stable.”Sy Hoekstra: It also strikes me all three of our mutual friend, Josiah Haken, wrote a book where he talked about kind of myths about homelessness. And one of them was the myth that, basically, homeless people are dangerous.Kevin Nye: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: And he was like, the real reality of being homeless is that you're actually in more danger than everybody else constantly. You are the one who's the most likely to be the victim who's most likely gonna be robbed, have your stuff taken. And that stuff that's on you, like you said, is all your documents [laughs], it's all of your medicines that you need to remain in your sound mind or whatever. And just having a place to not be worried about that as much feels like an enormous burden lifted off people too, in addition to all the other enormous burdens lifted off people that you just mentioned.Kevin Nye: Absolutely. Yeah, Josiah is great, and his book is really good, too. Neighbors with No Doors, for your listeners to go check that one out.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah, yeah for sure.Christianity Today, and Why the Church Doesn't Address Homelessness WellJonathan Walton: This is something that I'm very passionate about. Like Sy said, I've known Josiah for years. I spent a good part of my formative young adult years on the streets with friends. And so a few months ago, you wrote a post on your Substack about an article of yours that Christianity Today was like, “Yep,” and then said, “No.”Kevin Nye: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: [laughs] So can you tell us about that story, why you decided to go public, and the difference between knowledge and opposition. Because I think some people that are listening to this might think, “Oh, well, if we just know better, then we'll do better.” And I don't think that's true. So could you tell us about your journey writing, then having it get rejected, and then that difference between knowledge about something and opposition. Could you break that down?Kevin Nye: Sure. Yeah, the Christianity Today thing was interesting. When you're a writer on a particular topic and that topic sort of starts to get national attention, which is what was happening, at the time there was a Supreme Court case that was gonna be heard, since then has been heard, Johnson versus Grants Pass, Oregon.Sy Hoekstra: Right.Kevin Nye: We could talk forever about that, but essentially, whether or not municipalities have the right to criminalize homelessness was sort of being decided at the national level. And I wanted to write something about the faith perspective of that. And I have my own Substack and outlets where I can do that, but I thought that this being such a national issue, and my take on it wasn't particularly edgy or controversial. It was just, “Hey, maybe we shouldn't criminalize poor people for being poor.” [laughter]Jonathan Walton: Maybe. Let's try that.Kevin Nye: I thought that that was something… and actually part of what I was writing was not, “Hey, this is what I think.” It was, “Hey, this is what a bunch of churches and faith groups are thinking.” And part of my article was actually about how churches were rallying to support unhoused people in this case and writing into the Supreme Court. So it was almost like, it's kind of pro-church [laughs]. And so I thought given all of that, this would be a pretty good pitch for Christianity Today who is a more conservative publication who I hadn't published with before. I'm more likely to publish with Sojourners, which is less obviously conservative or Religious News Service, which is a little bit more like they're reporting news about religion, not religious news.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Kevin Nye: But I thought this was the right pitch for CT. They had expressed interest in me writing for them before, and it was just about finding the right thing, and I thought this one was it. So I sent it in, and I got a really good response. They agreed. They said, “Hey, this seems like the one. We definitely wanna work with you on it.” And I was pretty upfront from the beginning about what my stance on it was. And they seemed willing along the way, and even a couple times in the process, I just said, “Hey, I just wanna be super clear, this is where I'm going with it. It may be a little different than what you guys are used to publishing on homelessness,” and I just kept getting thumbs up along the way until it was time, essentially to publish it.I had sent it in, it had gotten the final edit, and they had said, “Hey, we're probably gonna publish this on Friday.” And then two hours later, I got an email that just said, “Hey, hold that thought. Just came from a meeting. We might be going in a different direction.” And then I didn't hear anything for 24 hours, and then it was, “Yeah, we are going in a different direction for our coverage.”Jonathan Walton: But did they pay you for it?Kevin Nye: They did. They paid me a kill fee, which…Sy Hoekstra: Which is not the whole thing.Kevin Nye: Yeah. And part of me was like, I wanna be like, “I don't want your money,” [laughter] but then I was like, “I'll take your money and I'll use it for something good.”Jonathan Walton: I can deposit this. Yeah. Right [laughs].Kevin Nye: Yeah. And so I ended up just then sending it to Religion News Service, and said, “Hey, sorry that this is coming late.” Because the deadline was that the Supreme Court was hearing it that week, and so it was sort of a timely piece. And I sent it over there, said, “Hey, I'm sorry this is such short notice, but do you guys want this because another publication didn't want it?” And they ran it. I sat on that for a while deciding whether or not I wanted to say anything about it, because I never want to, I don't wanna stir up trouble just for the sake of trouble. And I don't wanna trash this publication for no reason, even though they've given us some pretty good reasons over the years.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs].Kevin Nye: But I was like, I don't wanna pick a fight just to pick a fight. And part of that is a professional consideration. As a writer I have the potential to burn a bridge there. So I just sort of said, I'm gonna wait to see what they meant by our coverage is going in a different direction, because it does imply they're gonna publish something, right?Sy Hoekstra: Right.Kevin Nye: And for all I know it could have meant, “Hey, we actually got someone really, super, more qualified than you to write this.” Or, “One of the lawyers who's on the case wanted to write something for us.” And I'd be like, “Well, yeah, of course.” I suspected that wasn't what it meant, [laughs] but I'm gonna withhold judgment, at least publicly for a bit [laughter]. And so I sat on it, and then a couple months later, the Supreme Court ruling came out. So it was supposed to publish when they heard it, and then they had a couple months to deliver a ruling. They delivered a ruling, and Christianity Today had still not published anything, not even about homelessness, period. And so then I thought, “Okay, the ruling just happened.” It also came out the same day that they ruled on presidential immunity.Jonathan Walton: Yes.Kevin Nye: So it was like, okay, there's a lot of competing things to talk about right now so I'm gonna give them a week, two weeks, to see if they put out anything. And then when they didn't, that's when I sort of decided that I wanted to write about not being published, and again, not personal, but write about the fact that nothing was being published about this when it is such a significant ruling about what I would argue is one of the top five most significant issues on everybody's mind, which is housing and homelessness. And sort of how that feeds an ignorance and a lack of Christian conversation about this topic. And again, it wasn't, “How dare they not publish me.” It was sort of like, “How could they not publish anything, especially when they had something to publish, and they chose not to?”Jonathan Walton: Why do you think they killed it and didn't write about it?Kevin Nye: My guess is that ultimately, there is a pretty powerful voice that is Christian and institutionalized in the form of the Gospel Rescue Mission. And those who have supported it have worked in it, worked around it, worked adjacent to it, that does genuinely believe that we should make homelessness harder so that A, either people stop choosing it, which is ludicrous, but more so B, will drive people into institutional settings, like shelters, like Christian shelters, where evangelism can happen, sort of Christian teaching can happen. And the reason I believe that is because there was only one faith perspective that wrote into the Supreme Court in favor of criminalizing, and it was the Grants Pass Gospel Rescue Mission.Criminalizing Homelessness to Force People into Religious SheltersAnd they actually wrote in that publicly available letter that they felt that since it had been ruled at a lower court that they couldn't criminalize, the numbers at their shelter had been declining. Now they failed to mention that this happened at the same time as COVID, and might be another reason that people didn't wanna come into a public shared space type of shelter setting, but that because the city could not use criminalization to compel people into the Rescue Mission, that people were not getting services that they needed. But if you dig into the Gospel Rescue Mission over there, which I did extensively, you learn that they have some of the most egregious rules and expectations of people, and have a very poor reputation among the unhoused community there for how they treat people.And so what then truly is at stake here is in a town like Grants Pass where the only shelter is a Gospel Rescue Mission, can the government criminalize homelessness and force people into a religious setting where they are being taught against their will Christianity in the form of chapel and required Bible studies on a daily basis? And now I don't think Christianity Today thinks that we should institutionalize all unhoused people and scream the Bible at them, but I think that Christianity Today is reluctant to anger the voices who are pretty large and hold a lot of power that defend that institution.The theology behind Misguided Christian Housing ProgramsSy Hoekstra: Can we get a little bit at what some of the reasons are underneath all this stuff? I mean, aside from the [laughs] opportunity to evangelize, forcing people into your program to evangelize them, because that's just your whole end goal as a Christian or whatever, is to convert people, and so the means by which you convert them doesn't matter. Which is, I'm putting it that way because I'm just kind of processing that, because it's gross. It's in line with manipulating people into Christianity by scaring them about hell.Kevin Nye: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: Like why not just scare them about prison or anything else?Jonathan Walton: Yeah, right. I'll put you outside.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah, exactly [laughs]. But I wonder what other… you've dug into the theology of this, you've dug into people's reasoning for supporting this kind of programming and the powers that be supporting this kind of programming. What are the other motivations, theological reasons that you see behind treating vulnerable people this way?Kevin Nye: Yeah. Well, I mean, the way I framed it obviously, is sort of the most insidious version of it, but I think that most folks who… I mean, especially your frontline workers in a place that, genuinely believe that Jesus is the solution to homelessness. That people who are experiencing homelessness are doing so because of a personal failure, a moral failure, and that if they commit their lives to Jesus, that that will allow them to leave behind the life that led them into the situation that they're in and propel them towards a new life. That's the nice way of understanding what's happening, which I genuinely believe a lot of folks in these settings are operating it from that more positive version.Even what you described as scaring people with hell to get people to accept Jesus, I know people that are in my family who they genuinely believe that the people that they love and care about are gonna go to hell if they don't. And there is this motivation that, again, because they have this belief that is toxic, that the way… if you are committed to that belief, to then address this problem can be very problematic. My experience by and large, has not been that people who experience homelessness are not religious or are not even committed Christians.Sy Hoekstra: Seriously.Jonathan Walton: Exactly.Sy Hoekstra: Right.Kevin Nye: And on top of that, an informed understanding of what causes homelessness is not moral personal failure, but very measurable and understandable social issues like the cost of housing, like our mental health systems, like the stagnation of wages, so that housing is more expensive and people aren't making any more money. So one plus one equals two, fewer people can access housing.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah, there's so much to say there, but things I wanna highlight, you're basically saying that Jesus is the answer to homelessness, allows you to avoid asking systemic questions, allows you to avoid talking about systems that need to change. It also kind of turns Jesus into something that he never said that he was. He never said he was the answer to homelessness. He also never even said, “If you state a belief in me and read the Bible and pray and x, y and z, then you will automatically start making significantly better moral decisions.”Kevin Nye: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: That's not even true about Jesus. He also didn't say, “If you believe in me, all of a sudden you won't be addicted to meth,” or whatever. You know what I mean?Kevin Nye: Right.Sy Hoekstra: None of this is true. There's a real powerful underlying fundamentalist current in that perspective. In a just don't worry about the politics, don't worry about basically any real earthly concerns, just Jesus, everything else will fall in line after that.Kevin Nye: Yeah, and it's, I think a lot about how it's just an extension of prosperity gospel. That it's the same idea that says if you're an average middle-class American Christian, and you want to become wealthy, have a private jet, a mansion, here's your spiritual steps. Get closer to Jesus, you'll be rewarded with physical wealth. Well, if that's true, the opposite of that would be true, which is that if you are in deep, dire poverty, it must mean that you're that much farther from Jesus.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: Right.Kevin Nye: And I think even people who would reject the Joel Osteen prosperity rich end of that gospel, still believe a lot of that same stuff, but on the poverty end.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. That's so true.Jonathan Walton: The connection for me happens, is yes, the prosperity gospel, but then also the plantation spirituality.Kevin Nye: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: The people who are rich are obedient, the people who are poor are disobedient. And what disobedient people actually need is supervision and discipline.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Kevin Nye: Yes.Jonathan Walton: And so the housing-first, the entire mentality that you are flipping over is saying you don't actually have to be good or better or on the right side of things to receive, which is the opposite of the plantation, which is the opposite of Capitalism, which is the opposite…Sy Hoekstra: You might even call it grace, Jonathan [laughter].Jonathan Walton: I mean, I was gonna get to the title of the book at the end, but like…[laughs].Kevin Nye: And not even just to receive, but to receive in a way that allows freedom and choice. Because that is one of the biggest differences between these two models. And I think, a lot of why it's we need to hold housing back until we've programmed into a person what they should be acting like and being like then we give them housing, because once they have housing, they're free to make their own decisions, and we're afraid of what that looks like. Versus that housing-first model that, baked into housing-first is choice and options and autonomy. And even in the process of getting into housing, it's not just, “Hey, here's the apartment that you get,” although that is how a lot of systems end up working, just because of scarcity of housing.But in a good housing-first model it's, “Here's all the types of housing that are accessible to you. These ones are subsidized this way, these ones are this way. This is in this part of town, this one is connected to these types of services. What works for you?” And then after that choice comes more choices like, “Hey, what's the thing that you wanna work on first?” Which is the treatment-first model says, you got to get sober before you do anything else. And that is just not true. I think that's a big piece of it too, is how much the treatment-first system allows us, whether we're government or religious, to exert social control over people.Jonathan Walton: All that to say, there are people and systems and structures, institutions in place that keep this ideology enforced.Kevin Nye: Yes.Jonathan Walton: It is moving forward. Something, harking back, we had an interview with Lisa Sharon Harper, who I believe you know.Kevin Nye: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: And one of the things she said was, the hope is in the work. As we do the work, we will find hope, because we're close and we see progress, we build relationships, that's the fruit of being in the work. And so as people are, what we were just talking about, these institutions, these individuals are reluctant to this evidence-based policy actually being rolled out in the church, where do you see good work being done inside and outside of the church, where you can find that intersection of hope and work?Kevin Nye: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: As people do start to say yes to Matthew 25.Kevin Nye: I mean, I think that my… so my book came out two years ago now, and when I wrote it, I sort of hoped that it would be revelatory for people. That a lot of Christians would be like, “Oh, this is new information. This is a new way of looking at it.” And there was a good amount of that. But what really surprised me, and gave me a lot of hope, was how much response I got that said, “Yes, this is what we over here already believe, and we've been doing.”Sy Hoekstra: Oh.Kevin Nye: Sometimes like, “We didn't know it had a name. We didn't know there were other people thinking and talking about this.” And so in those two years, as I've gotten to travel around and do some speaking and stuff like that, I've gotten to see and hear about a bunch of programs, churches that are merging this sort of faith-based and evidence-based. And, yeah, it's just been, it's filled me with a ton of hope. And where they're, I think the next growth is for them to get organized together, because right now the Rescue Missions are organized. They have a centralized network, and so they can speak together with one voice in opposition to these best practices.But there's not sort of a focal point or a voice box for all these other ones that are doing, like you said, the hope is in the work, they're doing it in their small, local ways, but don't have a collective together to speak to each other and on behalf of one another and on behalf of the things that they believe in. And so that's part of the project I'm working on right now. My next book project is to sort of give voice and awareness to a lot of these ideas that are being implemented in different places that people don't really know about outside of those local communities, and sort of name what is working and why, and hopefully inspire responses from faith communities and individuals that align with best practices and align with their faith.Jonathan Walton: One, I wanna dive into your book, because I actually haven't read it yet, so I'm looking forward to grabbing it. And I'm glad to hear that you have another one. What would you say is the bridge from the one you wrote to this one?Kevin Nye: A lot of different things, but to make it very black and white, it's the first book is about how to think differently about homelessness, and this book is about how you actually go and do that, and how those change beliefs get worked out in things as nitty gritty as program design.Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: Totally.Kevin Nye: Without being boring, hopefully.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs] That's great. Where can people find you or your work?Kevin Nye: So I'm on most social media. I'm not too hard to find there, but my handle is a little different everywhere you go. The best sort of landing spot is my Substack. So that's Kevinmnye.substack.com. And so any new thing that I'm writing, whether it's there or I publish with Sojourners, or I'm speaking somewhere, I always put that out in my newsletter there. And hopefully as some more news comes out about this new book project, I'll be able to make announcements about that there.Sy Hoekstra: That's awesome. We will definitely link to that. Kevin Nye, we so much appreciate having you on the show today. Thank you so much for being here.Kevin Nye: Yeah, absolutely. It was a blast.[The intro piano music from “Citizens” by Jon Guerra plays briefly and then fades out.]Our Thoughts after the InterviewSy Hoekstra: Jonathan, I loved that conversation. Tell me what you are thinking about coming out of it.The Church Is Actively Contributing to the Problem of HomelessnessJonathan Walton: There's a lot. I think that the thing that frustrates me the most, and I think this is true about a lot of just injustices that I'm thinking about right now, is that the church is actively contributing to the continuing…Sy Hoekstra: To the problem.Jonathan Walton: Yeah. When we're literally supposed to not do that. Like, the whole Grants Pass amicus brief, I'm just like, “Really guys?” That takes energy. That takes effort, that takes meetings, that takes emails, takes drafts. It takes time to do that. You can't just like, “Hey, I'm gonna write an amicus brief,” and just submit it. There's an effort that goes into sustaining injustice, and that to me I think is concerning and exhausting.Societies with Colonial Roots Won't Provide “Unearned” BenefitsJonathan Walton: The other thing I think about is, I mean, I would say White American folk religion, talk about a plantation mentality, but it even stretches into addressing injustice. I was having a conversation with Maya yesterday.Sy Hoekstra: Your seven-year-old.Jonathan Walton: Yes. No, she's eight. She's eight.Sy Hoekstra: Oh. I forgot.Jonathan Walton: Yeah. But we were talking about the difference between fairness and justice. And she said, “Baba, is it better to give someone what they need or give someone what they ask for?”Sy Hoekstra: You have the deepest child [laughter].Jonathan Walton: She literally asked me that. And I was like, “Ooh.”Sy Hoekstra: Does Maya wanna be on this podcast [laughter]?Jonathan Walton: No, but she was reading a book. I have a discussion or something at school, and this is what she asked me. So I started talking about the vineyard. I said, “Maya, who gets to decide what is needed? Who are the different people?” And she goes, “Well, someone outside is deciding.” And I was like, “Oh, okay, well, then let's go read the story about Jesus in the vineyard.” Like the kingdom of God is like a vineyard.Sy Hoekstra: You're talking about the parable where he pays all the workers the same, no matter how long they worked, and the ones who worked the longest get angry [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Exactly. And then we went and read… she had only read the first half of the parable about the two sons. She hadn't read the second half. So then we talked about the similarities between the father who runs out to meet the prodigal son, and then how the person in charge gets to decide how grace or resources or whatever are distributed. And I was like, it would seem to me that that person gets to define what is just and what is fair, and what is equitable. And we didn't get to talk about power, but that was ultimately what I was thinking about.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: And I don't know how to explain it to an eight year old. But she said everybody should get what they need. But she's like, “How can we do that?” And I said, “Maya, that right there is the fundamental question that we try to put together.” There are people who think and believe and will work tooth and nail for people not to get what they don't think they deserve. “I don't think that person deserves a home. I don't think that person deserves to live where I live. I think they should, quote- unquote, wait in line,” if we're talking about immigration. “I played by the rules. Don't pay off that debt. I worked at a job…” We're constantly doing that. There's a Hawaiian activist, her name escapes me right now, but she said, “You got to remember you live in a colony.”Like the United States is a colony. That's what it is. Another Peruvian scholar is like, coloniality is a real thing. And so in a colony, you cannot have people get things that they quote- unquote, didn't work for. The kingdom of God should literally break the brains of imperialists, which it does [laughs], because it just, it blows up everything. So all that to say, I hope, and we'll pray and will work in the influence that I have to say, “Hey, can we do what Kevin was talking about, like housing-first, resources first, hugs first, communication first?” All that.For Evangelicals, Grace Is Not TangibleSy Hoekstra: Yeah, totally. I had kind of similar thoughts. I was gonna talk about how the moralism underlying all of the policy, like the treatment-first policy like, “You have to earn this, and we are suspicious of you, and we have all these stereotypes going in that we're just not going to question and we're gonna follow. And until you prove yourself worthy of our generosity, we're not gonna give it to you.” And so it's sort of like, we can talk about grace and generosity and all of that all day long, but we're not gonna put our money where our mouth is, especially not government money [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Yeah. Right, exactly.Sy Hoekstra: That's kind of the other side of the coin of the coin of what you were talking about, which is so there's this lack of grace generosity, but I think yours is actually a step further, which is if you're denying grace and generosity, you're going to have to take active steps to reinforce the frankly, evil way of doing things [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: And that's the amicus briefs and everything else. What I was just saying, that kind of moralism, it really is connected to the more fundamentalist side of evangelicalism about how, basically, grace is a spiritual thing. It's not a tangible thing. It's not a material thing. It's not something you practice outside of forgiving someone for wronging you. It's not something you do with your money and your resources. It just doesn't really have any business in the public square, or in public policy, which is not a distinction the Bible draws.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: The best you can argue is maybe it's a distinction that under your theology you think the Bible implies. It's definitely not explicit [laughter]. You can look at Leviticus, where there are so so many different provisions where God is requiring people to use the fruits of their own labor to provide for the poor in their neighborhood, and not in particularly efficient ways [laughter]. And Jesus is obviously, or John the Baptist is telling people, “If you have two coats, give one away.” There's the spirit, the direction where everything's going with the kingdom of God is so opposed to that way of thinking, in my view, that it's incredibly frustrating that we have to… Kevin, in particular. I'm frustrated for him, for advocates, and then for most of all, for the actual people who aren't getting housing, who are literally out on the streets. Some of them are freezing to death or starving to death because of our insistence on this moralism.Jonathan Walton: Right. The fundamental thing is at the end of the day, moralism is an argument that you need to earn the stuff, like you were just saying. And then it's like, I'm gonna create an entire ecosystem that justifies your poverty and my comfort.Christians Should Actively Invite Unhoused People into Our NeighborhoodsSy Hoekstra: My other thought was around markets, and a lot of how some of the intractability of housing policy is that so many people just have decided that when you put out public housing or low income housing somewhere, that that lowers the value of the property around it.Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: Which is by economists, the way they speak, it's an inevitability. It's just the way things are, and it can't be changed. But that is ultimately because the potential buyers of that property are bigots toward poor people [laughter].Jonathan Walton: Yeah. No, it's true. Right.Sy Hoekstra: It's such widespread, systemic bigotry that it changes the value of homes and buildings and land. And that's a choice. It is a choice that I will grant you most societies have made [laughs]. Like most societies, rich people want to cordon themselves off from everybody else and to use their money to try and escape the things about this world that are difficult and make us sad and uncomfortable and hurt. But that doesn't mean that it's not still a choice for which God absolutely holds us accountable. Go and read Amos, or whatever [laughter]. There's no question, it does not make God happy, and that we have a different way to go. But what we would need is something that seems kind of impossible at the moment, which is a… you've heard of a NIMBY?Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: NIMBY people, like Not In My Back Yard. So that means, “Don't put that new methadone clinic, don't put that new housing project anywhere near me.” We would need a YIMBY movement.Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: You actually have to have people who say, “Yes. I want poor people around. I want people who are trying to recover from drugs around. I want people who have mental health issues around. Because of my positive value for human life and communal flourishing.” And that truly feels impossible to me. I don't think it is, again, I think it's a choice. And one thing that I'm trying to do, I have narrow influence in the world. One person over whom I have a lot of influence is my two year old. I walk around New York City with her all the time. I take her to daycare, other places. And I'm trying to make a point that, we're not going to be afraid of the person who's having the mental health crisis, because the actual reality is, in that mental health crisis, they are in more danger than we are. They are the ones at risk, we are not.Most of them are not violent. A lot of us want to be violent towards them. Aka Jordan Neely, who was killed on the subway because he was having a mental health crisis, and people were sufficiently afraid of him. And so if I'm on the subway platform with my daughter and someone's having a mental health crisis, and they're not that far away from us, and people will move away from that person because they're afraid, I will stay there. And that has never been a problem, not once. You can tell me that that's dangerous or risky, and I don't care, because I know you're wrong, and I'm going to teach the person that I have the ability to teach that you're wrong [laughs]. And we're gonna stay there, and we're gonna be completely fine. I've been here for 16 years now. I've lived in New York City, and I've been around people having, I've worked with even my clients as a lawyer.These are not alien, weird people having scary freakouts to me. These are real people, who by the way, are fully conscious when they're having their mental health crises, and they can see everyone walking away from them, and they know how afraid everybody is of them, and that affects them deeply.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: And I'm not gonna be part of it. I will be the yes in my backyard person, even if nobody else is. There are other people who are. I'm not saying it's me against the world, but that is something that we need to insist on it.Jonathan Walton: Yeah, and honestly I think that ties literally perfectly into Which Tab Is Still Open.Which Tab Is Still Open? — Ta-Nehisi CoatesSy Hoekstra: Oh, yeah. Let's get into it. So this is Which Tab Is Still Open. This is the segment where we dive a little bit deeper into one of the recommendations from our newsletter, which you can get by joining the free mailing list at KTFPress.com. You'll get resources articles, podcasts, books, everything, recommendations from Jonathan and I on ways to grow in your discipleship and in your political education. So go to KTFPress.com, sign up for that free mailing list. Jonathan, we're talking about Ta-Nehisi Coates today. Why don't you tell us what we're talking about exactly?Jonathan Walton: Yes. So Ta-Nehisi Coates has a new book, it's called The Message. A very significant portion of it is about his trip to Israel and Palestine, occupied West Bank, Hebron, places like that. Some important points he makes are that when you see how Palestinians are treated up close, it's not really that hard to see it as apartheid or Jim Crow or any other exploitative, discriminatory system that has been set up. And he took a trip to the Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem, and found it profoundly moving as well, but just couldn't shake that the lesson Zionists took from the Holocaust was that, “We have to obtain our own power at all costs to prevent this from happening again.” He's had some really fascinating media appearances while promoting the book that we'll link to in the show notes.One of them, you mentioned the newsletter, was a great interview with The Daily Show. The interview that instigated a lot of this fervor and dialog and will probably help him sell a lot of books, which he's also said [laughter], was with CBS because he was basically ambushed by Tony Dokoupil, and was called an extremist in asking him pretty nonsensical questions for people who are against genocide, totally normal for people who are for Zionism. And the question he asked that many people ask is, “Does Israel have the right to exist?” And it's a rhetorical question, which Ta-Nehisi Coates actually answered when he said that countries don't have the right to exist, they exist by power. Just that turn was really great.But about the interview, there was controversy, because it came out that the interviewer went around CBS's editorial process and just went off on his own without telling anybody what he was doing. So Sy, what are your thoughts?The Power of Clarity and Focus in Prophetic Truth-TellingSy Hoekstra: I am so happy that Ta-Nehisi Coates is back writing nonfiction [laughter]. That's my main and primary thought. Everything he wrote in the 2010s is very formative for a lot of my thinking. I just love his approach to writing and journalism. He said many times he just, he writes to learn. He really appreciates the power of writing, and he has an incredible amount of moral clarity, a really impressive inability of everyone who's trying to distract him, to distract him. Like he's very focused. Like that question that you just brought up was a good example of it. Somebody says, “Does Israel have the right to exist?” He says, “Israel exists. States don't have the right to exist, they just do. They establish themselves with power. And now I'm gonna talk about, because Israel does exist, how does it exist, and why is that a problem?”It's just, I'm going to acknowledge your question. I'm going to say very quickly why it doesn't make any sense, and then I'm gonna get back to the point that matters [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: And that is something I want to emulate in the way that I go about my writing and my commentary and all that. I mean, those are kind of my… [laughs] I'm not sure I have a lot of substantive thoughts about what you just said, I'm just happy he's back. He took a long path down the fiction road and was writing comic books and all kinds of other stuff, which is also very cool. And he also did that because he was like, “That's the challenge for me as a writer right now. I've never done this. I'm a little bit scared of it. I think being nervous is good as a writer. And I'm gonna go do this thing that makes me sort of uncomfortable, instead of just continuing to churn out bestsellers about whatever.” You know what I mean?Jonathan Walton: [laughter]. Right. Let me go and be challenged. Right right right.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah, which I really respect that too, even though it means there were several years where I didn't get his commentary on stuff that I would have appreciated [laughter]. That's what I have been thinking as I've been watching him. But how about you, and you said you were gonna connect it back to what we were talking about before?Jonathan Walton: Yes. So one, amen, I'm glad he's writing nonfiction as well.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs].Jonathan Walton: It's really powerful to me what truth telling does. He is stewarding a platform. He is leveraging his voice. He is doing what I would hope followers of Jesus would do in the ways that we can and the lives that we live every day. You're leveraging your platform with your daughter. You are her biggest influence. You and Gabrielle. The stewardship of his power and platform to elevate and center the most marginalized voice in the media landscape over the last 65 years, people from the Middle East. That we say the Middle East, because we're the center of the world.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs].Jonathan Walton: And so that reality comes from… I've listened to so many interviews. I listened to his one with The Daily Show, MSNBC, Zeteo with Mehdi Hassan. I listened to the one with Trevor Noah. I'm gonna listen to the one for Democracy Now!, I'm gonna listen to the one with The Gray Area, because I need to be reminded every day that there are people willing and able to say the hard things, not be distracted or dissuaded from what they're trying to say, and be willing to communicate that they would risk their own injury. He said, “It doesn't matter what someone else has done to me or how evil someone is, we should not kill them.” Over and over again. There is no world where it's, “Oh, it's complex. Oh, it's complicated.”No, no, no, it's not. It's not complicated. It becomes complicated if you don't think about it. Everything's complicated if we don't think about it. But if you actually sit down and think about what it would mean to be Palestinian and what it would mean to be a Jewish person post Holocaust, post multiple pogroms, I would love for us to arrive at the point where we're like, “I don't want to perpetuate that against anyone else, because it was perpetrated against me,” which is love your neighbor as yourself.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: Which he's not a follower of Jesus, but where we have instead landed is where he is willing to wrestle, he talked about this with Trevor Noah, he would hope that he would not become someone who would commit acts of violence to keep acts of violence from happening to him. That, I think is a rub. Like Nat Turner's rebellion and what happened on October the seventh when the quote- unquote, Hamas escaped. Even the words we use to describe the attack that happened, it literally is described like a breakout a lot of the times, in Zionist literature and communication. All of these things frame the Lebanese, or frame now the Iranians as not people. And what Ta-Nehisi Coates is trying to do is actually say they are people.And that gets back to what you're talking about with, yes in my backyard. This is a person. Jordan Neely is a person. The person on the street having the mental health crisis, the person who's going through a messy divorce and doesn't have anywhere to go, the folks that are unemployed or bust up here from Texas, these are individuals made in the image of God, who do not deserve harm. That is the thing that draws me back to Coates' interviews, because he's not avoiding the hard questions, but what he is doing is communicating a truth that the people asking hard questions don't like. We are no better than the person that we're shooting or bombing or killing. We're just not. And so why are we doing that to someone who is literally just like us?And so I will keep watching, I will keep listening, keep reading. I hope that there is a shift happening. I'm not optimistic. I'm grateful for him and driving the conversation, because it feels something has broken through that I hope continues, because that was a conversation on CBS Morning Show. That was a conversation on progressive, liberal, conservative. Like people are talking about the book, even if you're critiquing it, you got to talk about it. I'm glad that that's happening, and I hope that this is taking the trajectory of what happened in South Africa, that's the best case scenario.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: It's not the best case scenario, but politically in the limits that we have, it's the best case scenario.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. And I think he thinks that way. Like when he talks about the power of writing, he's not talking about the power of my book to end the war, he's talking about the power of my book to influence some people who so

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Kamala Harris pretends to understand and even respect men, but we can see right through the actors who are paid to be “men”. A Baptist teacher says the Bible is a myth. How do you be a preacher then? And we will talk about how Trevor Noah apparently knows very little about the American Revolution, so he's backing the communist version.What Does God's Word Say?Luke 8:43-4843 And a woman was there who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years,[a] but no one could heal her. 44 She came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak, and immediately her bleeding stopped.45 “Who touched me?” Jesus asked.When they all denied it, Peter said, “Master, the people are crowding and pressing against you.”46 But Jesus said, “Someone touched me; I know that power has gone out from me.”47 Then the woman, seeing that she could not go unnoticed, came trembling and fell at his feet. In the presence of all the people, she told why she had touched him and how she had been instantly healed. 48 Then he said to her, “Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace.”Episode Links:The Dems: “Men are toxic. The future is female. Being gay is better than being straight. “Transgenderism” is normal. Cutting your [penis] off is cool.” Also the Dems: “WHY WON'T MEN VOTE FOR US?!”Tim Walz @Tim_Walz struggles to answer the question when @michaelstrahan asks him why @KamalaHarris hasn't implemented her proposed policies over the last 3 years. Why is a football player giving a harder interview to Walz than the political reporters at all major networks? Kamala campaign: “we need to show masculine guys support us ” … Campaign ad: “when I feel my testosterone surging, I just have go let it loose with some jazz hands!”Wingate Baptist Church pastor explains that the creation story is myth and not meant to be taken as history.Impastor Hannah Siegmund of 'Different Church' says the Bible shies away from talking about bleeding and menstruation because 'the bible was written by and mostly translated by dudes"Trevor Noah says he was "angry" at CBS's Tony Dokoupil for saying Coates sounded like an extremist. Noah then compares Gaza to the American Revolution: "If you remove America's history...then it's like, yeah, those people who fought against the British, they were terrorists."Alan's Soaps https://www.alansartisansoaps.comUse coupon code ‘TODD' to save an additional 10% off the bundle price.Bioptimizers https://bioptimizers.com/toddStart your journey to better health with MassZymes.  Visit bioptimizers.com/todd today to get your MassZymes 10% off.  Bonefrog https://bonefrogcoffee.com/toddMake Bonefrog Cold Brew at home!  Use code TODD at checkout to receive 10% off your first purchase and 15% on subscriptions.Bulwark Capital Bulwark Capital Management (bulwarkcapitalmgmt.com)Learn about Bulwark's strategies with their FREE Common Cents Investing Guide.  Get yours by calling 866-779-RISK or go to KnowYourRiskRadio.com.Renue Healthcare https://renue.healthcare/toddYour journey to a better life starts at Renue Healthcare.  Visit renue.healthcare/Todd

Jon Kelly joins Dylan Byers to weigh into the five-alarm shitshow enveloping CBS News following Tony Dokoupil's antagonistic interview with Ta-Nehisi Coates. Then they delve into how a recent NBC micro-scandal feeds into the hunger screams of late-stage linear TV. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mike Ferguson in the Morning 10-14-24 with guest host Susie Moore, Deputy Managing Editor of RedState.   (8:05am) We try to figure out why Kamala is soooo.......bad. Story here: https://redstate.com/wardclark/2024/10/13/it-takes-some-smarts-to-be-president-so-far-kamala-harris-hasnt-shown-she-has-them-n2180529   Also she bring her word salad gibberish to church in Greenville, NC: https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2024/10/13/kamala-koinonia-remarks-n2180526   We chat about one of our favorites, Harmeet Dhillon, and her chat with Tucker Carlson.   Joe Biden just can't stop trying to one-up everyone (just like Tim Walz does), even hurricane victims. He told them he knows what losing a home feels like because his home was once struck by lightning. Remember that? It was in 2004. Fire officials said it was a small fire that was contained to the kitchen of his house. He just can't stop lying. Story here: https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2024/10/13/what-joe-biden-just-told-hurricane-victims-n2180530   Even SNL got into the fun: https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2024/10/13/snl-just-lights-up-kamala-harris-and-joe-biden-with-some-real-humor-n2180512   (8:20am) JD Vance shows how it's done as he demolishes ABC's Martha Raddatz regarding the illegal gang invasions. Story here: https://redstate.com/terichristoph/2024/10/13/do-you-hear-yourself-jd-vance-absolutely-torches-abcs-martha-raddatz-over-illegal-gang-invasion-n2180510   More here: https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/10/12/watch-jd-vance-turns-the-tables-on-journalist-pushing-pro-illegal-immigration-talking-points-n2180488   And a photo posted on his X account in 2023: https://x.com/vbspurs/status/1845267663179649102     (8:35am) Brad Slager from RedState talks about the fiasco at CBS News with their edited 60 Minutes interview with Kamala Harris. We also discuss CBS Mornings' co-host Tony Dokoupil who interviewed author Ta-Nehisi Coates about his new book "The Message" which includes a one-sided polemic against Israel. Tony questioned that perspective. In other words, he was doing his job as a journalist. That's when the woke CBS staffers blew up.    Brad's column on the NYTimes situation here: https://redstate.com/bradslager/2024/10/13/the-new-york-times-is-scorching-rachel-campos-duffy-over-a-story-it-confirms-in-its-reporting-n2180522   More on media bias here: https://redstate.com/bradslager/2024/10/10/the-endorsement-follies-the-neutered-announcements-that-only-impress-the-dems-and-the-press-n2180403   More from Brad here regarding CNN: https://redstate.com/bradslager/2024/10/09/a-terrorist-arrest-once-again-exposes-cnn-as-fact-check-hacks-endangering-the-country-n2180360   And also regarding the Washington Post: https://redstate.com/bradslager/2024/10/08/we-get-a-hilariously-impotent-october-surprise-as-wapo-desperately-tries-a-new-scathing-report-on-trump-n2180315   More on the Tony Dokoupil CBS story here: https://www.thefp.com/p/cbs-marks-october-7-by-admonishing-tony-dokoupil   More RedState columns from Brad here: https://redstate.com/author/bradslager Brad's columns on Townhall: https://townhall.com/columnists/bradslager (@MartiniShark) Brad is on Gettr at MartiniShark   (8:50am) We wrap-up the show...that's all, folks!   NewsTalkSTL website: https://newstalkstl.com/ Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/NewsTalkSTL Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/NewstalkSTL Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NewsTalkSTL Livestream 24/7: bit.ly/NEWSTALKSTLSTREAMSSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Mike Ferguson in the Morning 10-14-24 Brad Slager from RedState talks about the fiasco at CBS News with their edited 60 Minutes interview with Kamala Harris. We also discuss CBS Mornings' co-host Tony Dokoupil who interviewed author Ta-Nehisi Coates about his new book "The Message" which includes a one-sided polemic against Israel. Tony questioned that perspective. In other words, he was doing his job as a journalist. That's when the woke CBS staffers blew up.  Brad's column on the NYTimes situation here: https://redstate.com/bradslager/2024/10/13/the-new-york-times-is-scorching-rachel-campos-duffy-over-a-story-it-confirms-in-its-reporting-n2180522 More on media bias here: https://redstate.com/bradslager/2024/10/10/the-endorsement-follies-the-neutered-announcements-that-only-impress-the-dems-and-the-press-n2180403 More from Brad here regarding CNN: https://redstate.com/bradslager/2024/10/09/a-terrorist-arrest-once-again-exposes-cnn-as-fact-check-hacks-endangering-the-country-n2180360 And also regarding the Washington Post: https://redstate.com/bradslager/2024/10/08/we-get-a-hilariously-impotent-october-surprise-as-wapo-desperately-tries-a-new-scathing-report-on-trump-n2180315 More on the Tony Dokoupil CBS story here: https://www.thefp.com/p/cbs-marks-october-7-by-admonishing-tony-dokoupil More RedState columns from Brad here: https://redstate.com/author/bradslager Brad's columns on Townhall: https://townhall.com/columnists/bradslager (@MartiniShark) Brad is on Gettr at MartiniShark     NewsTalkSTL website: https://newstalkstl.com/ Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/NewsTalkSTL Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/NewstalkSTL Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NewsTalkSTL Livestream 24/7: bit.ly/NEWSTALKSTLSTREAMSSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What’s Trending: A man was stabbed in Seattle’s Chinatown International District just as the mayor was unveiling new anti-crime technology. It’s been a tough week for CBS News as they admonished anchor Tony Dokoupil for pushing back against Ta-Nehisi Coates and his antisemitic book and they also told their staff to not recognize Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel. Guest: Discovery Institute Senior Fellow Dr. Jonathan Lesser has released a new report sounding the alarm on the dangers of Washington and Oregon’s net-zero carbon agenda. // Big Local: The City of Tacoma delivered a proclamation recognizing Columbus Day as ‘Indigenous People’s Day.’ Gonzaga created a certificate for etiquette consulting. // Doug Emhoff wouldn’t deny beating his ex-girlfriend. The Daily Show tried to say the reason that Kamala Harris is struggling in the polls with men is because of sexism.  

CBS News has made headlines this week, from reports of CBS leadership reprimanding 'CBS Mornings' anchor Tony Dokoupil for challenging author Ta-Nehisi Coates' views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, to the questionable editing of Vice President Kamala Harris' interview on '60 Minutes.' Columnist for The Free Press Eli Lake weighs in on why these instances have become so prevalent in the news cycle, and how they reflect a much deeper problem growing in journalism: the move away from objectivity. Follow Martha on X: @MarthaMacCallum Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

October 11, 2024 ~ Eyes are on CBS following Tony Dokoupil's interview with author Ta-Nehisi Coates about Israel. Roshini Rajkumar joins Kevin to dissent the interview.

SERIES 3 EPISODE 46: COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN A-Block (1:44) SPECIAL COMMENT: I think Vladimir Putin just sent Trump two not-very-carefully coded messages and to borrow the stylings of Vice President Harris, one began with the letter F and the other began with the letter U. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov – as I assume you know – has confirmed to Bloomberg that Bob Woodward's book is RIGHT, that Trump DID send tests and testing machines early in the Covid nightmare of 2020, but, quoting Peskov, “but about the phone calls – it's not true.” Putin just outed Trump as a liar. Twice. In different directions. Confirming what he wanted denied; denying what he wanted confirmed. NOT BAD FOR 81 DAYS: Kamala Harris has raised a billion dollars since becoming the presidential candidate. That's more than Trump has raised in ALL of 2024. Harris's figure is just since the afternoon of July 21. New polling: Republicans and Independents who had supported Nikki Haley and Trump is only getting 45 percent of them and Kamala Harris is getting 36 percent. Lemmings gonna lemming, of course. But the interesting number here is that in the 2020 election these same voters had gone for Trump by 59 to 28. HOW DO YOU NOT LISTEN TO HISTORY? Even in an America in which Trump's all-too-obvious affection for Hitler and the Nazis is exceeded by the psychoses of so many of his supporters, it would seem to be obvious that the last thing that even Pro-Nazi Trumpists would want to do would be to invoke February 20th, 1939 and the German-American Bund rally at Madison Square Garden in New York. It didn't go exactly as the Nazis planned. The Garden was surrounded by ONE HUNDRED thousand ANTI-Nazi protestors who three times nearly broke lines manned by 2500 police. As it was, the Nazi presence in New York received fatal damage when a former Navy officer, now plumber's assistant named Isadore Greenbaum sneaked inside the Garden and able to contain his rage no longer, rushed the stage. The Nazis didn't know what to do and after a few flailed punches at Greenbaum, a handful of police stopped all of them and pulled Greenbaum out. So what have Trump and reprobate garbage Garden/Knicks/Rangers owner James Dolan scheduled for October 27? A NEW Trump-Nazi rally at the new Madison Square Garden. Trump hopes 20,000 will attend. Has he or this idiot Dolan considered how many people will be outside the Garden THIS time? B-Block (22:32) IN SPORTS: My first boss Sam Rosen was just named the winner of the Lester Patrick Award for service to hockey in this country (he had already been made a saint for having survived BEING my first boss) (26:29) THE WORST PERSONS IN THE WORLD: Maria Bartiromo is thrown when a Republican congressman accidentally tells the truth about FEMA. Marco Rubio wants you to believe the urgency of what the government is telling you. Just today, mind you. Not last week. And Jesse Watters calls Trump nihilist Stephen Miller a "sexual matador" and Miller explains that to attract women, men "should wear their Trump support on their sleeve." You mean like an armband? C-Block (37:00) THINGS I PROMISED NOT TO TELL: We take a break from news of my ex Kyrsten Sinema or my ex Laura Ingraham or my ex Olivia Nuzzi to discuss my ex Katy Tur, whose husband is in the news. He's Tony Dokoupil and I can't tell if CBS News is about to fire him or make him Chief Operating Officer. The sad saga of how my post-relationship friendship with her ended when he arrived.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Howie Kurtz on the continuing fallout from CBS Israel interview, Trump campaign calling for CBS to air full Kamala interview and Garth Brooks' legal team naming his rape accuser. Follow Howie on Twitter: @HowardKurtz For more #MediaBuzz click here Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Breaking: Hurricane Milton slams Florida, 3 million without power (00:00) Woke CBS staffers freakout over Ta-Nehisi Coates, Tony Dokoupil interview: Robby Soave (08:38) Heritage Foundation overwhelms feds with FOIA requests: Transparency or sabotage? Rising debates (20:31) AI parody of Kamala Harris criminalized under insane censorship: Michael Shellenberger (29:42) Hurricane Milton flood insurance unavailable for many Floridians as companies flee state (40:11) Crypto owners could swing the election; Trump embraces them, Harris is silent (48:50) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

HELP THE SHOW BY TAKING THE AUDIENCE SURVEY, PLEASE! http://survey.podtrac.com/start-survey.aspx?pubid=2QI_qFPHzCDZ&ver=standardThis here is a PATREON TEASER! Matt and Daniel sat down with Will Menaker of Chapo Trap House and Movie Mindset for a nearly 2-hour episode. We've got an hour for you here, and you can join the Patreon for 55 minutes of bonus content from this interview. In this episode Matt and Daniel guide Will through the Biden-Harris PR plan, the shameful questioning of Ta-Nehisi Coates by double-circumcisee Tony Dokoupil, and the Israel-Klingon connection.Please donate to Mercy Corps: https://www.mercycorps.org/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Howard Kurtz, host of Fox News Channel's "Mediabuzz" and the popular podcast "Media Buzzmeter", joined The Guy Benson Show today to dive into CBS News' internal battle over allegations of antisemitism and journalistic integrity involving an interview between Tony Dokoupil and Te-Nehisi Coates. Kurtz also discusses the glaring differences in media coverage between the domestic violence allegations against Second Gentleman Doug Emhoff and the wife of GOP gubernatorial candidate Mark Robinson. Plus, he weighs in on Kamala Harris' media blitz over the past few days, which has been nothing short of a faceplant. Listen to the full interview below! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hour 2 Segment 1 Tony starts the second hour of the show talking about how Kamala Harris and her only can determine prices. Tony also continues to talk about her bad stretch of interviews on 60 Minutes, Call Her Daddy, The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, and The View.  Hour 2 Segment 2 Tony talks about the U.S. deficit for 2024 being $1.8 trillion.  Hour 2 Segment 3 Tony talks about the Tropicana hotel in Las Vegas imploding in spectacle. Tony also talks about Irvine PD unveiling their new police Cybertrucks.   Hour 2 Segment 4 Tony wraps up the second hour of the show talking about the bad week for CBS, especially for Tony Dokoupil's interview with Ta-Nehisi Coates.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In the 2nd hour of the Marc Cox Morning Show: * Keith Olbermann thinks Biden should deport Elon Musk * CBS' Tony Dokoupil expresses 'regrets' in emotional staff meeting following intense interview with anti-Israel author * Nicole Murray, from This Morning with Gordon Deal, gives a check of the latest business stories * In Other News with Ethan: Jenna Fischer battles cancer, The St Lunatics battle Nelly, and Fred Durst battles his label, Joker battles the box office and everyone is battling credit card interest rates. Coming Up: Elizabeth Troutman Mitchell and Kim on a Whim, too!

In today's second hour, Dawn welcomes Jewish activist Shabbos Kestenbaum onto the Dawn Stensland Show. First, Dawn plays back some drama that unfolded in meetings at CBS after Tony Doukopil's questioning of Ta'Naheshi Coates regarding his new book that paints a very extreme anti-Israel image of the war between Israel and Hamas. Shabbos discusses media bias, then delves into the lawsuit he's filed against Harvard, hoping to hold universities accountable for their continued support of anti semitic actions by progressive faculty and students. Then, Dawn rounds out the hour by revisiting updates around Hurricane Milton, and taking calls from listeners concerning both Eric Trump and Shabbos Kestenbaum's interviews.

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit zeteo.comOn the heels of the release of his latest book “The Message,” his first nonfiction work for seven years, the award-winning author and journalist Ta-Nehisi Coates joined ‘Mehdi Unfiltered' to discuss the book's focus on Palestine, and the reception it has received from the mainstream media – including a shocking interview on CBS. In their discussion, Coates discusses topics for the first time since the start of his book tour – including his view of President Biden's Zionism, and his advice to Vice President Kamala Harris on arms sales to Israel. For his new book, which explores how mainstream narratives shape and sometimes distort our experience, Coates traveled to Senegal, South Carolina in the US, and the occupied West Bank.“What I'm trying to do with this book is get out of the way. I'm trying to clear space, hopefully for Palestinian narrators and storytellers, and in a larger sense, you know, for Arab storytellers at large,” he tells Mehdi. The Palestine section of his book was under attack early in the tour, with one interview on CBS going viral for the bigoted framing and aggressive nature of the questions that Coates was asked by host Tony Dokoupil.“I was a little surprised, and then I realized what was going on, I was in a fight,” he says, about that interview. “So it was right there, you know, as a pop quiz, but I had studied.”Mehdi asks Coates about the Biden administration and its steadfast support for Israel - while silence on Palestinian suffering. “[Biden] basically said to a Jewish audience ‘We know you wouldn't be safe without Israel'… That's your job, Joe… Are you saying that you're not going to protect Jewish Americans, who are Americans?” asks Coates, referencing remarks made by the president during a White House meeting with Jewish-American leaders last October. As for Kamala Harris, the jury is out, he says, but the hope is there. “I hope Kamala will be better… the struggle is not just our skin color, it's principle also. This is extremely, extremely important… it's a kind of soul death for the struggle to just say, hey, we're just going to go along with this,” Coates explains. Watch the full interview above to discover why Ta-Nehisi Coates decided to come back from his break on nonfiction writing, what it took for him to publish a book critical of Israel at a time like this, and what he says that makes Mehdi “feel seen.” Paid subscribers can watch the full discussion above (free subscribers can watch a 5-minute preview). And for paid subscribers, don't forget to join the conversation in the comments below! Be sure to check out more of our content marking one year on from October 7:

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Vice President Kamala Harris made history by accepting the presidential nomination on the last night of the 2024 Democratic National Convention. The night was filled with powerful speeches, celebrations and highlighted Harris' path to the DNC stage.CBS News political contributor Joel Payne breaks down the key moments from the final night of the 2024 Democratic National Convention.Before Vice President Kamala Harris delivered her DNC speech in Chicago, "CBS Mornings" co-host Tony Dokoupil spoke with convention delegates about her policies. Even though she is the nominee, many said they weren't sure about her positions on key issues.CBS News' Confirmed team dives into Vice President Kamala Harris' key statements from her nomination speech. They break down her claims on issues like the national debt and tariffs, revealing which are true and which are misleading.Four astronauts are set to launch on Tuesday for a groundbreaking six-day mission, "Polaris Dawn," aiming to reach a record orbit 870 miles above Earth—three times higher than the International Space Station. The mission will also feature the first-ever commercial spacewalk. Mark Strassmann met the crew, who have trained for two years for this historic journey.A new experimental pill may relieve hot flashes, a common menopause symptom experienced by over 75% of women. Unlike other treatments, this pill does not use hormones. CBS News medical contributor Dr. Celine Gounder explains the potential impact on women's health.Hannah Berner and Paige DeSorbo, hosts of the popular "Giggly Squad" podcast, join "CBS Mornings" to talk about how they went from recording Instagram Live videos during the pandemic to hosting one of the most downloaded podcasts on Apple.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Former President Barack Obama and former first lady Michelle Obama rallied behind the Harris-Walz ticket on day two of the Democratic National Convention, delivering sharp critiques of former President Donald Trump and calling on Democrats to remain united as election day approaches.As Day 2 of the DNC wrapped with speeches from former President Barack Obama and former first lady Michelle Obama rallying support for Kamala Harris, former President Donald Trump was in Michigan firing back at the Democratic event. CBS News' senior White House correspondent Ed O'Keefe and Democratic strategist Joel Payne break down the second day of the Democratic National Convention.Former President Donald Trump continues his battleground state tour with a speech in Asheboro, North Carolina, marking his first outdoor event since a July assassination attempt in Pennsylvania.According to the latest CBS News poll, Democratic voter enthusiasm has risen since Kamala Harris was announced as her party's nominee. In Chicago, Tony Dokoupil speaks to voters to see how the numbers translate in real life.In an exclusive interview with "CBS Mornings" co-host Tony Dokoupil, 12-time Grammy Award winner John Legend shares why he's backing Vice President Kamala Harris for president.A JAMA study suggests a possible link between the weight loss drug semaglutide and higher rates of suicidal thoughts, though experts are urging caution when it comes to the research in this study.FKA twigs joins "CBS Mornings" to talk about her new film ,"The Crow," where she plays Shelly, a character whose love story transforms her perspective on romance. She shares what drew her to this adaptation, how it differs from the 1994 cult classic and gives a sneak peek into her upcoming music.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

President Biden will speak Wednesday evening from the Oval Office about his decision to not seek reelection. Meanwhile, Vice President Kamala Harris has already hit the campaign trail, making her case for the Democratic nomination.As President Biden decides not to seek reelection, it caps a career that has spanned six decades in Washington as a senator, then vice president and now president. The president will give a primetime address Wednesday, where he is expected to tout his legislative wins in office.The federal government has launched an investigation into Delta Air Lines while it struggles to recover from last week's global tech outage. On Tuesday, the airline canceled 500 flights and delayed 1,600 others.CBS News senior business and tech correspondent Jo Ling Kent is expecting her third child. In an exclusive interview with PARENTS, Kent revealed that she and her husband's baby girl will be here this fall.Potentially tens of thousands of homeowners are suddenly facing possible foreclosure, after making mortgage payments on time for years. Many "zombie" mortgages date back to the 2008 financial crisis. Consumer advocates warn a new wave of "zombies" could be on the horizon, this time from the home equity lines of credit taken out during the pandemic.Actor Josh Hartnett is known for his roles in popular movies like "The Virgin Suicides," "Black Hawk Down" and "Oppenheimer." Now, he's starring in the new thriller, "Trap," where he plays a seemingly loving father who takes his daughter to a concert. His character quickly realizes the concert is an elaborate setup for police to catch a serial killer. The twist is Hartnett's character is the serial killer, or at least appears to be.The Paris Olympics begin this week, and some of the first medals will be awarded in fencing. "CBS Mornings" co-hosts Nate Burleson and Tony Dokoupil had a lesson in fencing from two Team USA members who are married and competing in France.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Donald Trump's vice presidential nominee, JD Vance, spoke at the Republican National Convention Wednesday, formally accepting the GOP's nomination. In his speech, Vance made an appeal to working-class Americans and went after President Biden. Trump is expected to speak at the convention Thursday.Former President Donald Trump's daughter-in-law, Lara Trump, discusses the assassination attempt on her father-in-law and how it will impact his speech on the final night of the Republican National Convention.As former President Trump prepares for his RNC speech, "CBS Mornings" co-host Tony Dokoupil explores the interpretation of some of Trump's most controversial quotes.Emmy award-winning actor Sheryl Lee Ralph joins "CBS Mornings" to talk about her new comedy, "The Fabulous Four," and her third Emmy nomination for "Abbott Elementary."Hayley Paige, known from TLC's "Say Yes to the Dress," reintroduces herself to the world after a four-year legal battle over using her name. This spring, she regained the right to use her name publicly and on social media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Former GOP primary rivals endorse Trump at the RNC in Milwaukee, emphasizing safety and unity.Eric Trump talks with "CBS Mornings" co-host Tony Dokoupil about how former President Trump is recovering from his assassination attempt and the latest developments from the Republican National Convention.A poll last month in Wisconsin, where the RNC is being held, found 61% of Trump voters described themselves as "very enthusiastic" about their candidate compared to 39% of Biden supporters. Nearly half of Democrats across the country think Biden should step aside, according to a CBS News poll.NFL Hall of Famer Terrell Davis, his wife Tamiko and their attorney Parker Stinar talk about Davis being handcuffed and removed from a United Airlines flight. The incident is prompting the airline to review its policies.Missy Franklin Johnson, a five-time Olympic gold medalist, talks about the upcoming Paris Olympic Games. Franklin Johnson, who competed in London and Rio before retiring, is returning to the Olympics as a correspondent for Yahoo Sports.Detroit Lions wide receiver Amon-Ra St. Brown talks to “CBS Mornings” co-host Nate Burleson ahead of the 2024 NFL season about being featured in Netflix's “Receiver.”Viral TikTok sensation and behavioral therapy practitioner Keila Shaheen joins "CBS Mornings" to talk about her new book, "The Lucky Girl Journal."See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Former President Donald Trump made his first public appearance on Monday at the Republican National Convention since surviving an assassination attempt. Officially clinching the Republican nomination for president for a third time, Trump announced Ohio Sen. JD Vance as his running mate. "CBS Mornings" co-host Tony Dokoupil has more from Milwaukee.CBS News chief Washington correspondent Major Garrett and Robert Costa, chief election and campaign correspondent, break down what happened on the first day of the Republican National Convention as former President Donald Trump announced JD Vance as his running mate.Following his official nomination as the Republican candidate for the 2024 presidential race, Donald Trump named Ohio Sen. JD Vance as his vice-presidential candidate. Senior adviser Jason Miller joins "CBS Mornings" to talk about the campaign strategy moving forward.Following the assassination attempt on former President Trump, CBS News cybersecurity expert Chris Krebs addresses the rapid spread of misinformation.With the average U.S. wedding costing $33,000 in 2024, couples are heavily influenced by social media trends. Lara Mahler, founder of a company called The Privilege is Mine, joins "CBS Mornings" to talk about wedding planning, avoiding the "Pinterest black hole" and tips for cost-effective yet meaningful celebrations.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

State election officials across the country are issuing warnings about high turnover among election workers. It could have a major impact on the November elections. A report by the Bipartisan Policy Center found turnover rose from 2018 to 2022, and was higher in battleground states.The FDA approved a new Alzheimer's treatment called donanemab on Tuesday. It is designed to help patients in the early stages of the disease. CBS News chief medical correspondent Dr. Jon LaPook explains what to know.In today's MoneyWatch we're talking about fourth of July savings, from fireworks to food. According to the National Retail Federation, Americans are expected to spend $9.4 billion dollars on food this Independence Day. That's over $90 per person. Nancy Chen joins us with tips for celebrating on a budget.Broadway performer Robert Hartwell joins “CBS Mornings” to talk about his new show, "Breaking New Ground," which chronicles his two-year journey to renovate a 200-year-old home in Massachusetts.Jessica Berman, commissioner of the National Women's Soccer League, reveals first on “CBS Mornings” that CPKC Stadium, the world's first purpose-built stadium for a women's professional team, will host the 2024 NWSL Championship on Nov. 23. This will air live on CBS and stream on Paramount+.“CBS Mornings” co-hosts Tony Dokoupil and Nate Burleson explore baseball's mass appeal that has captivated Americans for generations, sharing personal stories and experiences at Citi Field with New York Mets coaches.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

On June 6, 1944, Onofrio Zicari was one of the soldiers who arrived in chest-high water on Omaha Beach. He describes what it was like to live through D-Day, 80 years ago.Seymour Nussenbaum is one of the Ghost Army's last surviving members. It was a first-of-its-kind top secret unit that was designed not to fight the Germans, but to fool them into chasing false targets.CBS News' Natalie Morales visited a Holocaust survivor in Long Beach, California, to see how her mother's lessons in stitching saved her life—not once, but twice.Secretary of State Antony Blinken joins "CBS Mornings" from Normandy, France, for the 80th anniversary of the D-Day landings.Historian Kellie Carter Jackson joins "CBS Mornings" to talk about her new book "We Refuse: A Forceful History of Black Resistance," and to talk about the lessons learned in history can apply to protest movements today."CBS Mornings" co-host Tony Dokoupil shares his final thoughts on the 80th anniversary of D-Day.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Millionaire Forrest Fenn hid a gold-filled chest somewhere in the Rockies and wrote a poem with cryptic clues. Tens of thousands searched for it and five people died trying. A story of obsession. Tony Dokoupil reports.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Dave Rubin of “The Rubin Report” talks about “The View's” Joy Behar freaking out over her realization that she had her photo taken with members of the Trump family and co-host Sara Haines pointing out how insane she is; “The View's” Sunny Hostin getting caught by her producer trying to lie and run cover for Travis Kelce liking an Instagram post of Sage Steele posing with Donald Trump; Elon Musk's reaction to the resignation of NPR's Uri Berliner drawing attention to disturbing past comments of new NPR CEO Katherine Maher; Maher's unearthed comments to “The Daily Show's” Trevor Noah while she was the CEO of Wikimedia Foundation that should make you think twice about using Wikipedia; and Alejandro Mayorkas stammering in response to “CBS Mornings” host Tony Dokoupil pointing out how the border crisis might be increasing the threat of terrorist attacks in the United States. Dave also does a special “ask me anything” question-and-answer session on a wide-ranging host of topics, answering questions from the Rubin Report Locals community. WATCH the MEMBER-EXCLUSIVE segment of the show here: https://rubinreport.locals.com/ Check out the NEW RUBIN REPORT MERCH here: https://daverubin.store/ ---------- Today's Sponsors: The Wellness Company - Get your Medical Emergency Kit with 8 potentially life-saving medications for you to keep on hand in times of need. Rest easy knowing that you have emergency antibiotics, antivirals and anti-parasitics to help keep you and your family safe. Rubin Report viewers get $45 off at checkout and free shipping. Kits are ONLY AVAILABLE IN THE USA. Go to: https://TWC.health/RUBIN and use CODE: RUBIN Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices