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Senate Committee on Indian Affairs Business Meeting to consider several bills Date: March 5, 2025 Time: 2:30 PM Location: Dirksen Room: 628 H.R.165, To direct the Secretary of the Interior to complete all actions necessary for certain lands to be held in restricted fee status by the Oglala Sioux Tribe and Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe S.105, To direct the Secretary of the Interior to complete all actions necessary for certain lands to be held in restricted fee status by the Oglala Sioux Tribe and Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe S.240, To amend the Crow Tribal Water Rights Settlement Act of 2010 S.241, To provide for the settlement of the water rights claims of the Fort Belknap Indian Community S.390, To require Federal law enforcement agencies to report on cases of missing or murdered Indians S.546, To amend the Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009 to make a technical correction to the water rights settlement for the Shoshone-Paiute Tribes of the Duck Valley Reservation S.550, To provide for the equitable settlement of certain Indian land disputes regarding land in Illinois S.562, To approve the settlement of water rights claims of the Pueblos of Acoma and Laguna in the Rio San José Stream System and the Pueblos of Jemez and Zia in the Rio Jemez Stream System in the State of New Mexico S.563, To approve the settlement of water rights claims of Ohkay Owingeh in the Rio Chama Stream System, to restore the Bosque on Pueblo Land in the State of New Mexico S.564, To approve the settlement of water rights claims of the Zuni Indian Tribe in the Zuni River Stream System in the State of New Mexico, to protect the Zuni Salt Lake S.565, To approve the settlement of water rights claims of the Navajo Nation in the Rio San José Stream System in the State of New Mexico S.612, To amend the Native American Tourism and Improving Visitor Experience Act to authorize grants to Indian tribes, tribal organizations, and Native Hawaiian organizations S.620, To provide public health veterinary services to Indian Tribes and Tribal organizations for rabies prevention S.621, To accept the request to revoke the charter of incorporation of the Lower Sioux Indian Community in the State of Minnesota at the request of that Community S.622, To amend the Leech Lake Band of Ojibwe Reservation Restoration Act to provide for the transfer of additional Federal land to the Leech Lake Band of Ojibwe S.632, To amend the Indian Health Care Improvement Act to allow Indian Health Service scholarship and loan recipients to fulfill service obligations through half time clinical practice S.637, To amend the Northwestern New Mexico Rural Water Projects Act to make improvements to that Act S.640, To make a technical correction to the Navajo Nation Water Resources Development Trust Fund, to make technical corrections to the Taos Pueblo Water Development Fund and Aamodt Settlement Pueblos' Fund S.642, To provide compensation to the Keweenaw Bay Indian Community for the taking without just compensation of land by the United States inside the exterior boundaries of the L'Anse Indian Reservation that were guaranteed to the Community under a treaty signed in 1854 S.673, To amend the Miccosukee Reserved Area Act to authorize the expansion of the Miccosukee Reserved Area and to carry out activities to protect structures within the Osceola Camp from flooding S.689, To approve the settlement of the water right claims of the Tule River Tribe S.719, To amend the Tribal Forest Protection Act of 2004 to improve that Act S.723, To require the Bureau of Indian Affairs to process and complete all mortgage packages associated with residential and business mortgages on Indian land by certain deadlines S.748, To reaffirm the applicability of the Indian Reorganization Act to the Lytton Rancheria of California S.761, To establish the Truth and Healing Commission on Indian Boarding School Policies in the United States More on Indianz.Com: https://wp.me/pcoJ7g-w6g

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For their most important public gathering in the presidential election, Democrats have chosen to meet on the traditional lands of the Potawatomi, Ho-Chunk, Menominee, Ojibwe, Odawa, and a handful of other nations. The state has no established federally recognized tribes, but the number of Chicago citizens who identify as Native American has more than doubled in the past ten years. We'll be in Chicago, talking with Native Chicago residents who are also clued in to the Democratic political process about what the party is doing to reach Native voters and what sets them apart from their political rivals. GUESTS Pamela Silas (enrolled member of the Menominee Indian Tribe of Wisconsin and Oneida Tribe of Wisconsin descendant), active member of the Chicago American Indian Community Mary Smith (citizen of the Cherokee Nation), former IHS director and founder of the Caroline and Ora Smith Foundation Monica Rickert-Bolter (Prairie Band Potawatomi), visual artist and director of operations at the Center for Native Futures Shaun Griswold (Laguna, Zuni, and Jemez), editor of Source New Mexico

The Republican National Convention aims to end on a high note with a triumphant nomination acceptance speech by Donald Trump. It's his first public comments since the assassination attempt over the weekend. The convention is propelling the expected momentum for the candidate, but we'll bring it back down to earth to talk about what a Trump Presidency would mean for Native Americans. GUESTS U.S. Sen. Markwayne Mullin (Cherokee/R-OK) Shaun Griswold (Laguna, Zuni, and Jemez), editor of Source New Mexico Paul DeMain (Oneida Nation of Wisconsin/Ojibwe descendent), former journalist Kari Lake, U.S. Senate candidate in Arizona

Episode 158 Marcos Perez and Nick Ortega  On June 3rd, 2023, avid outdoorsman Marcos Perez and his best friend Nick Ortega were tragically killed at a house party in Albuquerque, New Mexico, following a peaceful day of fishing in the Jemez mountains. Despite over a year passing since the incident, there have been no arrests or clear answers. Eric Carter Landin speaks with the boys' mothers, Vanessa and Danielle, who share the young men's vibrant lives and the aftermath of their senseless deaths. The mothers recount their sons' close bond, the chaos of the night, and the struggle for justice. They urge the community to come forward with any information and highlight the systemic issues within local law enforcement and legislation. The episode emphasizes the devastating impact on the families and the need for ongoing support and awareness to ensure that Marcos and Nick are not forgotten.   Crime Stoppers Anonymous Tips or 505-843-STOP Justice for Marcos and Nick Facebook  

Reggae, Rez Metal, Country, Jazz, Rock, Electro-Soul, Indie, Hip Hop, Chicano, Dark Blues, Pop, and Dance from members of the Oglala Lakota, Hopi, Swinomish, Navajo, Mi'kmaq, Anishinaabe, Métis, Chooctaw, Ojibwe, Cree, Jemez, and Mohawk nations. Brought to you by Tunes From Turtle Island and Pantheon Podcasts. If you like the music you hear, go out and buy/stream some of it. :) All these artists need your support. Tracks on this week's show are: Highest Conspiracy - Strange World Mato Wayuhi & Black Belt Eagle Scout - FEE FI FO FUM Leonard Sumner - Tulips And Begonias Jodie B - The Savtik Files Under Exile - Wandering Through The Doors Of Death Electric Religious - Stole My Money Wolf Castle & Zamani Folade - You Las Cafeteras & Amalia Mondragon - Caravana The Picturebooks & Badd Wolf - Back To L.A. Troy Kokol - Garfunkel Trent Agecoutay - Another Complication Mack Sickz - Your Warrior Geronimo - It's My Land Ethan Lyric - Just Like That Berk Jodoin - Weather The Storm Daniel Désorcy - Ain't Even Started Drinking Yet Andrina Turenne - En plein coeur mai James N. Wilson (with Derek Miller) - California Bound Earth Surface People & Hataalii - Rude Boy Adrian Wall - Rebirth of the Sun Master Yellowsky & RYNHRTT - Redemtion Point RYNHRTT Remix All songs on this podcast are owned by the artist(s) and are used for educational purposes only. All songs can be found for purchase or streaming wherever you get your great music. Please pick up these amazing tracks and support these artists. More info on the show here.

Our love for the world around us and our passion for protecting that world can come from many different places. It can come from a connection to the land, or a magical experience we had with other people in a particular place, or our sense of awe from the beauty of the living creatures that inhabit these ecosystems. But that love and passion can also come from seeing or experiencing the destruction of the same ecological web, from pollution in the air that rains down onto a playground, or the clearing of a wildlife habitat to make way for a fossil fuel pipeline.Dave Cortez has been organizing for environmental justice in Texas for the better part of two decades. He lives in Austin now, but the love and passion that guides him came from the Rio Grande, the Sierra Madre Mountains and the high desert of West Texas. And from fighting a copper smelter and other threats to the land, air and water in and around his native El Paso. Dave has a fierce love for his El Paso Community. But cutting his teeth as an environmental justice organizer in his hometown wasn't easy. Dave is now Director of the Lone Star Chapter of the Sierra Club, where he's bringing his El Paso roots and years of experience on the streets and in the communities around Texas to the Sierra Club's statewide campaigns.I've known Dave for many years and used to regularly attend environmental justice meetings in Austin that he helped organize. I've seen him rise from an on-the-ground organizer to the leader of the Texas chapter of one of the oldest and largest environmental organizations in the world.Our conversation tracks his education as an environmental justice organizer. From the playgrounds of El Paso to the gentrifying neighborhoods of Austin, his story reflects the changing nature of the American environmental movement and the exciting possibilities of more robust connections between community-based frontline environmental justice struggles and the large and powerful environmental organizations with nationwide influence.You can listen on Substack, Apple Podcasts, and other podcast platforms.Please rate, review, and share to help us spread the word!Dave CortezDave Cortez is a 3rd generation El Pasoan now based out of Austin where he lives with his partner and six year old daughter. He grew up and learned organizing on the frontera, where industrial pollution, poverty, gentrification, racism and the border wall are seen as intersecting issues. Dave serves as the Director of the Sierra Club Lone Star Chapter, and has been organizing in the Texas environmental movement for 18 years. Dave is supporting staff and volunteers across Texas who are organizing for power by centering racial justice and equity alongside frontline communities directly impacted by polluting industries.Quotation Read by Dave Cortez"There is no such thing as a single-issue struggle because we do not live single-issue lives. Malcolm knew this. Martin Luther King, Jr. knew this. Our struggles are particular, but we are not alone. We are not perfect, but we are stronger and wiser than the sum of our errors. Black people have been here before us and survived. We can read their lives like signposts on the road and find, as Bernice Reagon says so poignantly, that each one of us is here because somebody before us did something to make it possible. To learn from their mistakes is not to lessen our debt to them, nor to the hard work of becoming ourselves, and effective. We lose our history so easily, what is not predigested for us by the New York Times, or the Amsterdam News, or Time magazine. Maybe because we do not listen to our poets or to our fools, maybe because we do not listen to our mamas in ourselves. When I hear the deepest truths I speak coming out of my mouth sounding like my mother's, even remembering how I fought against her, I have to reassess both our relationship as well as the sources of my knowing. Which is not to say that I have to romanticize my mother in order to appreciate what she gave me – Woman, Black. We do not have to romanticize our past in order to be aware of how it seeds our present. We do not have to suffer the waste of an amnesia that robs us of the lessons of the past rather than permit us to read them with pride as well as deep understanding. We know what it is to be lied to, and we know how important it is not to lie to ourselves. We are powerful because we have survived, and that is what it is all about – survival and growth. Within each one of us there is some piece of humanness that knows we are not being served by the machine which orchestrates crisis after crisis and is grinding all our futures into dust. If we are to keep the enormity of the forces aligned against us from establishing a false hierarchy of oppression, we must school ourselves to recognize that any attack against Blacks, any attack against women, is an attack against all of us who recognize that our interests are not being served by the systems we support. Each one of us here is a link in the connection between anti-poor legislation, gay shootings, the burning of synagogues, street harassment, attacks against women, and resurgent violence against Black people. I ask myself as well as each one of you, exactly what alteration in the particular fabric of my everyday life does this connection call for? Survival is not a theory. In what way do I contribute to the subjugation of any part of those who I define as my people? Insight must illuminate the particulars of our lives." - Audre LordeRecommended Readings & MediaTranscriptIntroJohn Fiege  Our love for the world around us and our passion for protecting that world can come from many different places. It can come from a connection to the land, or a magical experience we had with other people in a particular place, or our sense of awe from the beauty of the living creatures that inhabit these ecosystems. But that love and passion can also come from seeing or experiencing the destruction of this same ecological web: from pollution in the air that rains down onto a playground or the clearing of wildlife habitat to make way for a fossil fuel pipeline.Dave Cortez has been organizing for environmental justice in Texas for the better part of two decades. He lives in Austin now, but the love and passion that guides him came from the Rio Grande, the Sierra Madre mountains, and the high desert of West Texas—and it came from fighting a copper smelter and other threats to the land, air, and water in and around his native El Paso. Dave has a fierce love for his El Paso community but cutting his teeth as an environmental justice organizer in his home town wasn't easy.Dave Cortez  Two of my close family members worked at the plant. My dad's brother worked at the plant and then worked at Chevron on the other side of town. And then his brother in law, worked at the plant and retired. And here I was, this younger punk, you know, sort of just not super close to the family, showing up at events and they asked what I'm doing and, oh, they think I'm a paid protester, you know, forget my education, forget what's at what I'm actually saying. You know, it's, deep cultural assimilation. It's deep colonization, sort of this Stockholm syndrome that develops out of poverty and repression. It's horrific, and it's sad to watch. People fiercely defend the only thing that has helped them in their eyes and not be able to acknowledge the harm that's been done. It's not different from, you know, addiction in that way, or depression.John Fiege  Or domestic abuse. Dave Cortez  Exactly. It's heartbreaking. It still hurts me to talk about. John Fiege  I'm John Fiege, and this is Chrysalis.Dave Cortez is now Director of the Lone Star Chapter of the Sierra Club, where he's bringing his El Paso roots and years of experience on the streets and in the communities around Texas to the Sierra Club's statewide campaigns.I've known Dave for many years and used to regularly attend environmental justice meetings in Austin that he helped organize. I've seen him rise from an on-the-ground organizer to the leader of the Texas chapter of one of the oldest and largest environmental organizations in the world.Our conversation tracks his education as an environmental justice organizer. From the playgrounds of El Paso to the gentrifying neighborhoods of Austin, his story reflects the changing nature of the American environmental movement and the exciting possibilities of more robust connections between community-based frontline environmental justice struggles and the large and powerful environmental organizations with nationwide influence.Here is Dave Cortez.ConversationJohn FiegeWell, you grew up in El Paso in Far West Texas, and it's right on the border of Mexico and New Mexico. Can you tell me a bit about growing up there, and your family and how you saw yourself in relationship to the rest of nature.Dave Cortez  I've got a little picture I'm looking at my my very first demonstration. It's a bunch of kids, kids meaning college kids, my my age at the time, about maybe 22, 23, and a big peace flag and we're hanging around what was called Plaza de Los Lagartos, Plaza of the Alligators. And we're there I think we're protesting, must have been continuing invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, but you know, I keep it up. And I keep pictures of the mountains of West Texas, the edge of the Rockies is what cuts into the central central part of El Paso, the Franklin Mountains. And then you have the Rio Grande, the heart and soul of that land. And on the other side of the river, those mountains continue into the Sierra Madres all the way down to the coast. It's majestic. It's, you know, that land is as colonized as is its people. You know, it's been, the river has been dammed up upstream in New Mexico, and two reservoirs to provide water for agriculture and farming and things like that, recreation. It was the only area of water that we we had access to when I was a kid. We would drive up to Truth or Consequences and load up on nightcrawlers and whatever other tackle and bait, and then take my dad's car and drive along somewhere, find a good spot. And fish from the shore for a couple of days at a time, camp, and, you know, that was a desert lake. It was wild for me, because we didn't have water, you know.John Fiege  So tell me about what you did. Dave Cortez  Well, we would just go up there. That was, that was our place to go get get access to water, you know, away from the desert, you know, growing up in El Paso, you just, it's It's dry, it's desert, we get, we used to average nine inches of rain a year, it's down now, you know, but the Rio was, it's always been sacred and it was special, it was a place you could go and see water. Not all year round, but most of the year and see it flowing and you look in any direction, away from the mountains, and you can see what feels endless, but it's actually you know, two or more hundred miles to the horizon, you see Thunder heads 30, 40, sometimes 45 or 50,000 feet high way far away, you think maybe you hope maybe those might come your way, maybe we'll get lucky and get a little bit of rain. Most times they don't. But with that sometimes you're blessed with the outflow that carries the smell of creosote, a native plant in the region that everybody's come to call the smell of rain. And, you know, even if you don't actually get the rain yourself, you might get some of those breezes and some of that wonderful smell. And it's, it's life giving, it's restorative. As a kid, you know, I was fortunate that my family made an effort to take us out into the desert quite a bit, we would go chase storms, we would watch lightning, my father would turn the AM radio to a blank station so we could hear the the lightning on the radio, the static pop. And we got a real kick out of that and we'd go off roading and find spots and park and you know, just hang out. And that was a pretty common thing for a lot of folks around town is just to get out into the desert. You know, my my heart and soul and my spirit is connected to that land, it is part of that land, I draw strength from those mountains, from that river. I worry about moving further away, what that might do to me, how how that might be a strain. Even just being here in Austin 600 miles away, it feels very far. You know, my family was middle class, I call it 80s middle class. And, you know, both my parents worked. I have two older siblings. And you know, we were all in public school and doing our thing. You know, everything seemed, you know, like The Wonder Years kind of situation. And you know, you don't when you're young, if you're fortunate, you don't see a lot of the issues around you. It wasn't until my teens, my parents split. And I was living with my mom and started to see a lot more other sides of life, some of the struggles, and just kind of notice more about the town, about the culture. But it was really when I moved back to El Paso after college, here in Austin at St. Edward's, where I studied political science and philosophy and environmental policy. When I moved back, it all started to come together how much I missed, how much I was removed from about my community and my culture in my youth. You know, so the language is the biggest example. We did not speak Spanish in my family. It was something my parents spoke to each other when they needed to talk about something that we didn't need to know about as kids. John Fiege  Right, right. Dave Cortez  You know, we didn't know about our indigeneity we weren't raised around that, we didn't know about the cultural connection to the land. I think in some way the spirit in my family drew us towards it. We would go spend time around those things, but we didn't really have conversations about it. And the biggest thing I didn't know about was how heavily polluted and contaminated the air was growing up. I tell a story about going into middle school. This time I was in in private school and Catholic school. Just being out on the playground it's a you know, concrete schoolyard kind of situation. And you run your hand on the on the railing and there's yellow chalk-like stuff and you don't think twice about it because it's like chalk. Or it's dust. Well, you know, in that part of town, downtown El Paso, it's because of the copper smelter. We had a 110 year old lead and copper smelting operation called Asarco that was less than two miles away from where I was going to school. And you know, you move on, maybe, you're a kid, maybe you wash your hands, maybe you don't. And it just, you know, when I moved back, I thought of that--I thought of all the times, I used to play in the dirt, like every other kid in El Paso does, you know, you don't got Barton Springs to go to or Greenbelt Creek, you play in the dirt, dig tunnels, and that stuff gets in you. And that's loaded with heavy metals, arsenic, cadmium, lead, you name it. It was it was a huge shock for me to learn that the land that I was around as a child, and the air that I was around as a child was just heavily contaminated. And I knew nothing about it. John Fiege  But what was the experience like when you were actually in college and getting more heavily into activism? Like what was motivating you? And how did you see yourself in relationship to other folks?Dave Cortez  Right on. Well, I can't leave out that the reason I came to Austin was because of my older brother and my older sister. I had never seen green, like this town, when I came to visit my sister in the summer. So I just was blown away, everything was green, there was water, it rained, I just felt like an oasis and I wanted to come here. So I went to St. Ed's, which ended up being, you know, expensive as hell, but really cool in the sense of, you know, an opportunity to learn, to be away from home. You know, and so, I didn't really know what to make of this town when I was here. I didn't know what to make of the people, the students, but by the grace of the Creator, in serendipity, I was thrown into a class on social movements. And that's a study in the 1960s. And so, you know, I developed a really foundational experience learning about the broader politic of American civil society, in that case, which blossomed into deeper learning around political theory and rhetoric, dating all the way back to some of the Greek philosophers, and modern day political thinkers, but I really got a ton of wild information into my head. In 2006, it wasn't here in Austin. It was on North Padre Island. The Austin Sierra Club was organizing a trip, there was a woman I liked at the time. And we were were fancying each other and were like, "Hey, let's go camping. I don't know what a crawfish is. But they're doing a crawfish boil. And they say they're going to clean up the beach." So we grabbed my SUV when we went and set up, and it was awesome to be out there around all these people we didn't know, you know, offering us free food and beer and just, you know, associating on this beach. And that, I really loved. Folks might not know this, it's like 60 plus miles of primitive Beach, outside of Corpus Christi. But I didn't quite understand what we're really doing until the next morning, right at dawn, when I was awoken by these huge sounds of tractor trailers hauling right by the water right in front of us. Just a caravan of them driving down to the other end of the beach to do gas drilling. You know, we get out of the tent, and we're watching this and I mean, you just want to, you know, throw something at those trucks, you know, and go put your body in front or something like "What the hell's going on?" And you're just watching the rubber, the plastic, you name it just fall off these trucks. And in their wake is just a mass of debris, and trash. And this is all in endangered Kemp's ridley sea turtle habitat, its nest a nesting area for the Kemp's ridley sea turtle. And that's why we were there. And so, you know, right after that we all commiserated and got to work and picked up more trash than I think, you know, I've ever picked up. And I'm still shocked that that was allowed. But that's really where I started to take a turn and understand more about how the state facilitates this destruction, the destruction of the land and for the profits of few. And shortly after that I graduated, and that was it for my time in Austin.John Fiege  So after you graduated from college, you went back to El Paso, and you became an environmental justice organizer for El Paso, ACORN. And it was shortly after your time there in 2009, that right wing activists did a big hit job on ACORN and brought down the organization in the US for the most part. An ACORN was was a powerful community organizing group at its height, and it had this unique community based organizing model. Could you talk a bit about the ACORN organizing model and how it, possibly, I assume, became part of your organizing DNA?Dave Cortez  Just like learning about the 1960s is a pillar of my practice. The  work with Acorn is right there with it. You know, it shaped me, maybe it's just because it's one of the first things I learned about, but it'll be with me, as long as I do this work and have breath in my lungs. You know, some people were quick to point to that it's built out of the school of the Industrial Areas Foundation and Saul Alinsky model of community organizing, and yeah, that's true. But, you know, I didn't know any of that. I didn't, you know, I was, I was just taken in by these folks. There was a guy, recovering addict, just trying to make his money doing his canvassing while I was hanging out at a coffee shop, kind of where I was living in El Paso, the university. And there's my day off and I'm out there hanging out. There's this dude, his name was Ken. Ken let me know how they were planning to reopen the ASARCO copper smelter, the big 120 820 foot tall smokestack that I grew up around, and I was shocked. And, and that's, you know, like I studied all these things. And I was like, wow, I cannot believe that that's right there, my mom lives over here, you know, she works there, I live over here. And, you know, I told them, whatever I can do to help: get more letters, spread a petition around, whatever I can do. And they invited me in to meet the team, which was a small team. And the first task they gave me was actually nothing to do with that it was just to go distribute information about free tax prep, helping people in a really poor community, not far from where I went to middle school in which is not far from the smelter, get access to tax prep, in English and Spanish. And at the time, I had a, I had a mohawk. I covered that thing up real fast. I wore a straw cowboy hat and went door to door knocking on people's doors, let them know about this. And Jose Manuel, the the lead organizer at the time, the director saw me and, you know, was into it. And, you know, they offered me a job after a few days of that. And the job was doing the same thing, plus inviting people to come to a community meeting about the reopening of ASARCO. So here's a way that we can help you. With some, you know, with your money, basically, your your bottom line, and also, there's a situation happening, that can affect and will affect your your health and well being, and the safety of your family. At the time, I didn't realize that there was a very intentional strategy there. But that strategy is essential to the work that we do as environmentalists and in climate justice activists around the country, and here in Texas, people are struggling, and you got to find ways to help them directly with what they're struggling with day to day, which is often their pocketbooks. And so if you can do that, you're going to build some trust, you can build some relationships, and then you might be lucky to talk to them about another bigger, more complicated issue.John Fiege  That seems to be, like, a really beautiful definition of the difference between environmental justice organizing, and traditional environmental organizing, where environmental justice organizing, you have to start with the community, and make sure everybody you know, you have to deal with everything, you can't just isolate an environmental issue. Would you agree with that?Dave Cortez  Absolutely. Absolutely. I don't know where that came from. I again, I'm not a I've read all the books about these things, but that, the model that was picked up by so many organizations and NGOs is is you know, it's it's almost like counter revolutionary, it's almost counterproductive. Like you're intentionally trying to marginalize your base in silos, you know, so, so whatever we do, you know, I try to espouse that in folks, some of the work we've done around Austin and other parts of Texas, that's the route we go, talk about bills, talk about bills every time and then, you know, start to figure out what else is going on, you know. With ACORN, a major flaw in the national model was that they would want to sign people up to be bank draft members, like you, you'd push a card onto them, "Hey, send this card in with your bank info or something. And we'll sign you up, you know, so you get access to our help." And obviously, I didn't do that. And as the work evolved, and we got more people canvassing and doing the work, we didn't do that either. It went against our values. Now, if there were middle class people, people with more means, yeah, we'd asked them to do that, too.John Fiege  To contribute a certain amount each month.Dave Cortez  Yeah. But we also did things differently, in the sense of, we organized, we found, you know, folks who are highly motivated by the issues, students, artists, residents in the nearby communities who wanted to contribute, and contribute their time, That theory in the ACORN model of, you got to get people financially bought in to be committed, I think can be challenged and there's lots of ways to get people plugged in. And so, one other key here was, you know, I wasn't brand new, this work wasn't brand new. There had been people fighting ASARCO before I was involved, obviously, and it had ebbed and flowed in terms of how much community opposition from just, like, working class people was centered. There was a lot of wealthier folks, politico types, you know, people who worked for legislators or senators or city people, you know, academics, things like that. And there was a handful of working class people in a smattering of workers from plant workers. So our job was really to find more just like students and people in the impacted communities, but it had been going on for so long that people were really drained. You know, parents who, whose children had MS as a result of this or had other health problems, they eventually backed off because it was just too exhausting to go up against the machine of the Texas State Government and go testify, and struggle, and they just couldn't do it anymore. You know, so we had to find new people and inject new life. You know, we made it a point to work with some of the younger folks to start a--not really an acorn chapter--but just a group on the campus called students for reform. And those kids are amazing, a couple dozen students, Chicanos, for the most part, all going off to do awesome things in their lives. But for three, three years, four years, they they led the fight, they're on campus challenging the administration to disclose more information and trying to represent student opposition to the reopening of the smelter.John Fiege  I was looking up some articles about ASARCO. I found this this one 2010 article from John Burnett, who's a NPR correspondent based in Austin. So he talks about in 2009, the US Justice Department announced the settlement of one of the largest environmental bankruptcies in US history, in which ASARCO would pay a record $1.79 billion to settle claims for hazardous waste pollution in you know, at 80 sites, as many as 20 states, including the copper smelting operation in in El Paso. And he quotes some interesting community members like an 82 year old former maintenance worker named Miguel Beltran, who says, "you can't get a job here in El Paso compared to ASARCO, ASARCO is the best place to work. We were just like a family." And John Burnett, also quotes an anti-smelter activist named Debbie Kelly, who says, "They marketed very well. And the people of El Paso were brainwashed believed that this was the most wonderful thing El Paso could possibly have, this tall polluting contaminating smokestack." And this is this classic tension and environmental justice organizing. The big polluter in town is often the biggest and best paying employer as well, especially for folks with limited education. And these working folks often side with the company in some ways, and then at some times, kind of accepting the environmental problems for the economic opportunities. And the smokestack itself is this shining symbol of progress and prosperity that goes way back to the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution. What was your experience with this tension between economic opportunity and environmental health in the organizing, and how that was represented in the media?Dave Cortez  Well, let's take a few cracks at it, because it's a big question. You know, I'll start with my family, two of my close family members worked at the plant, my dad's brother worked at the plant and then worked at Chevron on the other side of town. And then his brother in law, worked at the plant and retired. And here I was, this younger punk, you know, sort of just not super close to the family, showing up at events, and that's what I'm doing and "oh," they think, "I'm a paid protester," you know, forget my education, forget what I'm actually saying. You know, it's, it's deep cultural assimilation. It's deep colonization, sort of this Stockholm syndrome that develops out of poverty and repression. It's horrific. And it's sad to watch, you know, people fiercely defend the only thing that has helped them, in their eyes, and not be able to acknowledge the harm that's been done. It's not different from, you know, addiction in that way.  Or, or depression in that way. John Fiege  Right.  Or domestic abuse. Don't talk about it. Dave Cortez  Domestic abuse. Exactly. You know, it's heartbreaking. It still hurts me to talk about. But, you know, that was the case. And you know, in that situation, just try and make peace with your family just, you know, get through the gathering. And you go on in, you know, some of my family was very supportive, you know, like, "yeah, that stuff's bad, and we should do better." You don't get investments in the well being of a community that like say, in Austin and all this money flooding here and STEM education being invested in and, you know, pre K access and, you know, nature based education and Montessori education, things like that. All of this is part of that, that conflict that pushes you to try and find the best thing you can for your family. And any of the workers that I organized alongside say the same thing. They were so proud and happy--Daniel Adriano another sort of lead visible face against the reopening of smelter, he's a former steel worker, you know, he tells a story about like, his dad worked there, his uncle, his cousins, you know, it was just like a family thing, like everybody, if you could get a job at ASARCO, you knew you'd be okay. You could raise a family, maybe even your wife or your spouse, your partner wouldn't have to work. But, you know, behind that, that Golden Gate, there was a lot of things that people weren't being told. You know, things like, maybe you shouldn't be taking your work clothes home and washing them. Right. They sent people home to wash, and that's very common in heavy industry in the 80s 70s 80s and 90s, you know, these these companies do that. In Danny's case, his kids got sick, you know, and they developed health problems. And he points to that as part of the reason washing his clothes in the same machine with, as his kids clothes. His wife feels guilt about that. Heavy guilt. John Fiege  Yeah. That's hard. Dave Cortez  You know, it's violating. You know, they had them--that settlement came because they, well, in part because ASARCO was caught for illegally incinerating hazardous chemical weapons waste materials from Colorado, in the smelter in these men weren't told about it. And they shoveled this stuff in there and were exposed to, you know, not recycled waste, just direct waste from the Rocky Mountain Arsenal Wow facility, a weapons manufacturing facility, Dow Chemical weapons manufacturing facility. That stuff was burned and they were exposed. You know, it's infuriating. And once they learned that, and they were falling ill and they had some evidence, they tried to organize other workers, let them know former workers let them know what was going on. And, and they encountered the same thing that I encountered with my family: just like this, this wall of acceptance, this willful ignorance. You know, I don't know about that, you know, just like denial, denial. And that was really hard on them. They got ostracized, they lost a lot of friends. You know, and so they found allyship in other people whose families had been sick, residents on the other side of the river in the Colonias, whose children had been severely sick, who were bleeding every night because of bloody noses and heavy metal contamination. You know, they found allyship with Debbie Kelly in the current place, which is sort of a wealthier neighborhood, you know, the educated, more white affluent folks who didn't want the smelter around. And this, that's how the "Get the lead out" coalition really came together it was--you just had these different interests aligned around this lack of justice, but the worker piece was always--and the economic piece was always always, you know, the straw that would break our back. And when ASARCO hired a PR firm, Teresa Montoya, to build their campaign, their marketing campaign to reopen the smelter, that was their big thing. I want to work for ASARCO I want to work for ASARCO and they march out all these Chicanos and throw them in front of a plant in their hard hats and talk about the good jobs and the pay. You know, it's tough to compete with. I know the people in Port Arthur, in Corpus Christi, even down in Brownsville, you know, and you name it. John Fiege  It's the same story everywhere. It's the same story.Dave Cortez  In Appalachia, as well, with the coal miners. Absolutely. The amount of energy it takes to fight Goliath. You know, you never have enough you never have enough resources. You got a PR firm In, you know, this facility was owned and run ASARCO, Grupo Mexico owned by Carlos Slim, at the time the wealthiest man in the world, you know, like, you're never going to have enough just to stop the bad thing. How are you going to strategize and organize in a way where you're talking about building the good, and replacing it with something better and taking care of these people? It's doable, it absolutely is. But at the time, when you're in the sock like that, it's very hard to pivot. And it's very hard to motivate people who have resources to give you those resources to bring on people to pay them to do that work. It's a boxing match, take your hits, and wait for the time to throw a punch. You know, and I think one thing that really hurt people hurt ASARCO a lot, was when it came out that at their operations in Arizona, El Paso and elsewhere, in the 70s and 80s, they had been using health standards, health assessment screenings that were based on a false standard that black men and brown men had a 15% higher lung capacity than white men, therefore, they could be--they could work 15% longer, they could be exposed 15% more than white men. And that came out. And you know, we had some incredible, dedicated educated volunteers who were digging this information up, who were, you know, putting it to the to the news outlets. And without the news outlets putting that information out there, like the New York Times that put it out about the hazardous chemical weapons waste, you know, we wouldn't have been able to really punch back. But that stuff came out and then we could organize with it. We made materials out of it. I made sure everyone knew that, you know, this is the kind of crap that this place was built on, no matter what they say now you can't trust them. John Fiege  Right. Yeah. And this--another thing that John Burnett brought up in this NPR story is, he quotes some longtime community members who said that when the winds were blowing to the south toward Juarez in Mexico, the smelter would crank up production and send pollution directly into Mexico where they could, they could do nothing to regulate it or stop it even worse than in the US. And that's a pretty insidious and cynical route around US environmental regulations. American companies have this long history of sending their polluting factories and jobs overseas. But in El Paso, they could just send the pollution directly to Mexico while keeping the plant and the jobs in the US. Were you able to do any cross border organizing in El Paso to combat this kind of flagrant disregard for air pollution in Mexico?Dave Cortez  I wasn't able to myself, or it wasn't a choice I made to do myself on the broader scale. Marianna Chu, who worked at the time for the Sierra Club, and as an independent activist and organizer did a whole hell of a lot and deserves a ton of credit. Marianna, and others were also were able to build relationships in the Colonias and get to talk to people that were, you know, the definition of directly impacted, right on the other side of the river. You know, you drive through, you pass on I-10, and you look to the left where you're passing through downtown, and it's just colonias and that's Colonia Felipe and some students who we'd found and became acquainted with at UTEP and were filmmakers and they were able to get over into the colonias and document the lived experience of some of these folks, and it's horrific, and they made a short film, I'm happy to share called The Story of Cristo and it's a little boy, you know, who's like that, he's bleeding, bleeding every night, because he's got heavy metal contamination, two years old. You know, and that story spread. You know, it was similar to other families all throughout the Colonia. Dirt roads, just full of metal, not a lot that could be done unless there was funds provided for it. And part of that settlement in relation to the chemical weapons waste was that ASARCO would give money to an outfit in Mexico to pave those roads. You know, that's it. Accept no wrongdoing. No, no responsibility. We don't admit nothing but, here, take this and leave us alone.John Fiege  Literally, sweeping it under the rug. They're just laying asphalt over the dust.Dave Cortez  Absolutely. I mean, that's that's absolutely right. And, you know, one interesting intersection here with with the colonias there was, as we marched towards the end of 2007 and 2008. You know, we're still fighting the plant, it started to become more and more dangerous and people were less responsive, and less receptive to being interviewed on camera with our comrades, and the gangs, were starting to move in to the Colonia and control things more. And that was that it wasn't safe anymore you can, the last thing you should be doing is driving over there with a camera. And so those stories sort of drifted away, those folks. And we weren't able to really work with them a whole lot more, because the narco war was starting to take root.John Fiege  Because it's, it's how it's the same thing they do to fight you, they give your neighbor a job, and then and they get your neighbor working against you. Dave Cortez  Absolutely, I mean, you know, you're not going to go toe to toe with the same weapons, you got to find a way to find their weak spot and cut them at that weak spot. And, you know, I learned that, I learned that in this fight, you know, we weren't scared of these people. We weren't scared of their minions. We weren't scared of the, you know, the former workers who wanted the plant to open. We weren't scared of them. They tried. Everybody tried to intimidate you, you know, but I'll start with, with that part, first, as a critical strategy. My, you know, 23 year old high energy, Mohawk wearin' self, right, like, I thought I knew it all and was ready to go, just like against that jerk down on Red River Street in Austin. And, you know, the first public meeting, debate, whatever, that we helped organize, some of those, those workers were there outside and they were, you know, they pick a smaller person, a woman to argue with, and she ain't scared of them. But you know, soon enough, there's, there's four or five of them around her and oh, man, you know, machismo is something all of us from the border suffered from and that kicked in hard. You just get into it with these guys. But, you know, that is not the way, that is not the way. You know, arguing and fighting, especially with the people, even though they're trying to get you to do it. The people who want a job in these facilities, the community members who just want a better way for their life, you cannot let the people at the top pit us against each other. That's why it's so important to be anchored in community talking about the nuance, you know, how to step and where, what to look out for, and really trying to build together, it has to be at the forefront.John Fiege  Isn't that the history of American industrial capitalism, that for it to work, the, the industrialists need to pit various groups of people against one another, whether it's along lines of race, or income, or religion, or geography, or immigration status, or, or whatever. Like, that's, that's how it works. You need to divide people by those things, so they don't get together and they don't, they don't form a allegiances.Dave Cortez  That's right. That's right. I mean, it's, but it's not something that's created by the oligarchs and the industrial capitalists and the power holders. It's something that they exploit, right? It's a, it's a wound that's already there. And, you know, it's something that concerns me greatly about broader civil society, and our failures to build community, in relationship in brotherhood and sisterhood. You know, in a true spirit of mutual solidarity, the more that we neglect doing that work, the easier it is for something to divide us or someone to exploit it, we see it, there's an endless amount of examples we can point to. But if you start your work in trying to build something better, and build through a positive relationship, it's going to feed in the long run, it'll help you endure all of the struggles that are going to come the conflicts, you know, the the infighting, the personality disagreements, whatever, you got to have some foundation and I learned that from that, that night outside the UTEP Library arguing with these guys that, "No, we got to we got to find a way to work with these workers. We got to really center the fact that people need work in jobs." And and that's where, you know, I really started to become close with, not the guys I argued with, other workers who were already disaffected, Charlie Rodriguez, and Danielle Riano and Efrain Martinez and others. You know, they became, in some ways they already were but from my work, they became the center of what we're trying to do and focus on, that this is actually not what we want these, these jobs are not the kind that we need, because look what they did to me. And so that's one piece. We've got to find a way to get people more meaningfully involved with the policies we're trying to change, so there's just a far greater number of people pushing for positive investment in something that is, you know, not just like NGO staff, you know, like, the less NGO staff and those boardrooms, the better. You know, get every day, people in their meeting, pressing for these decisions, and calling for it, and that makes it much harder for the special interests to push push their own agenda.John Fiege  Well, that's a good transition to Occupy Wall Street. So in 2011, Occupy Wall Street began in New York City in Zuccotti Park. And then the movement quickly spread around the world, including to Austin. And I know you were heavily involved in Occupy Austin, and its campaign to get the city to divest from commercial banks. I participated in a couple of those occupy Austin Bank actions. And I don't think I'd met you yet. But, you know, as many people might remember, one of the big discussions and debates around Occupy was whether and how to organize and whether to make formal demands, which always makes me think of Frederick Douglass who famously said, "power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did. And it never will." But those words from Frederick Douglass, were not the guiding light of many occupy organizers and participants, I'd love to hear you talk a bit about your experience with Occupy Austin, and the internal debates and conflicts about what it was and how it should operate. And what you brought away from that whole experience that you put into your organizing work after that. Dave Cortez  Yeah, it was one of the most exciting times of my life so far, you know, to be able to three, four, sometimes five nights a week, meet up with 50 to 60 people not at a general assembly, but a working group meeting, and everybody's there ready to, you know, talk and break out and figure out the next step for getting people to close bank accounts. And, you know, organizing the rally and building the art and all those things. It was organic. I'm so happy that, I'm fortunate to have that experience in this city, and in this country. It was real, you see the romanticized version of uprisings in film, in writing, and on the news, different ways around the world. But, you know, this was that, at least the closest I've been to it, and it wasn't just the, you know, the sign holding, and, you know, petition gathering, we did all that. But it was, I mean, like people were, people were in, you know, the sacrifice time away from whatever they had going on around them to contribute to something better, and I have never seen an appetite, so large for participating and contributing to something that can change the world. I've seen it tried to be engineered a whole lot by NGOs. And it's laughable. It's insulting, you know, but for me at the time, it was it was like a dream come true. I remember a week before occupy launch, there was a meeting happening at Ruta Maya, and the room was full of people, and, you know, a bunch of white dudes, hippie yoga types on stage, you know, talking about some stuff, but I'm up there front row, just, you know, like, eager. And just like listening, I'm like, "This is great," you know, so they open the mic for everybody to come up and have something to say. And it was awesome. I'd just never seen it. You know, I was like, "wow, this is the Austin I always wanted to see," you know. Sure enough there was a meeting after that the next day, and the next day after that. And that kind of continued on for a few days. And then and then there was the day of the launch and lots of people packing City Hall. I mean, you couldn't move there were so many people out there and there were people talking for hours. Everybody was just willing to stay. And you know, I can't, I just can't believe how patient people were for weeks. And just like hanging out. You know, I think they just wanted something different. And they wanted to be part of something, like I said, Now, me, day one. I'm like, "yo, if we're gonna be out here, we need some data." And I got my clipboard. And my dear friend and former partner Betsy had been working for a group that was doing foreclosure organizing and getting people to move their bank accounts or close their bank accounts. And so, you know, I got some, some materials from her and took up like six clipboards, to the to the rally. And that was my whole shtick was just like, "Hey, y'all, we should close our corporate bank accounts," and people loved it. You know, it was like, "hey, here goes, put your name down, if you want to help out," and I mean, I filled up pages and pages of this thing, people who wanted to help out or close their bank accounts. And from that, you know, like, you'd find more people that were like, "Hey, I used, you know, I can help with that. And I used to work at a bank," or, you know, "I've got some time on my hands," you know. And so we, it was rad, because while all the noise was happening, the day to day that people were more familiar with Occupy Wall Street. You know, the the General Assemblies, the infighting, the conflicts with the unhoused folks and things like that, we had this parallel track of our bank action crew, which was doing, building switch kits, and, you know, trying to reach out to people to, you know, help walk them through how to close their bank accounts and stuff like that, or organize marches on the bank, so people could go in and come out and cut their credit cards, so we could all celebrate, you know, like, that was, that was great. That's classic organizing. I, you know, if you weren't down in City Hall, every day for that first month, you're missing out on something, you know, I don't think people appreciate enough how much work people invested into trying to maintain a space, like, maintaining a physical encampment is, you know, the people with the most knowledge on how to operate a small, little civil society is the people have been doing it before, which is our unhoused folks, you know. And there was a huge class conflict, that really emerged quickly, that the police and the city manager and others began to exploit, you know, by trying to bring more unhoused folks down to City Hall, allowing some to sell and distribute drugs, not enforcing any oversight, you know, we had women attacked, you know, and attempted assaults and things like that, that they were just looking the other way on. Because they wanted this to go away. And it was up to us to figure out how to manage that. And that really became the core of the non-bank action, kind of conversations. You know, everybody wanted to do solidarity with everything else. But it was really about, like, how do we keep this thing going? And how do we maintain our presence here? You know, do you negotiate with the city? Who negotiates? Who's responsible? Do we just say, you know, F-U, we're not going to talk to you all, you know, but like, through all that, like, some amazing friendships were developed, and I mean, like bonds, true, real friendships, and people may not be super close anymore, but all it would take is a phone call or text to bring people back together. You know, it's something I'll just value for the rest of my life.John Fiege  Yeah, totally. And in 2015, The Austin Chronicle named you the best environmental activist in Austin for your work as, "The heart and soul of Sierra Club's 'Beyond Coal' campaign in Central Texas." And I know you've done all kinds of work with the Sierra Club. But I wondered if you could talk about what the fight has been like to transition from dirty energy to clean energy in Texas, which, of course is the oil capital of the country. And looking over the years you've been doing this work, what stands out? What have you learned from this massive campaign?Dave Cortez  Like you said, it's Texas, we're the number one carbon emitter in the country, and a huge one in the world and the United States cannot meet the modest two week goals in the Paris Accords unless Texas gets its act together, you know, and we got some real problems here, not just from fossil fuel pollution, but from industrial and toxic pollution and just from our livelihoods, you know, there's another story out yesterday, you know, are we going to have power next week, because we're going to hit hit the peak of the summer. You know, it's hard to think about the fight for clean energy in Texas without thinking about the power of the fossil fuel and industrial industries. There's there's been a battle since 2000 and 2005 to stop new power plants and advocate for clean energy. The fuel type changes and you know, back then it was coal and then it is gas and and now, it's like, oh my god, we just don't have enough power. Now, how do we get it? But it's still the, you know, trade associations, the Association of Electric Companies in Texas, you know, Oncor, which is an electric distributor company, NRG, you go down the line, Energy Transfer Partners, all of these fossil fuel corporations, making billions and billions of dollars, still call the shots, they still influence, and basically direct, decision makers on what is going to be acceptable in terms of, even, discussion. You can't even get a hearing in the state legislature on flaring reduction, which is a very modest thing. Because they have enough influence to make sure that that conversation is not even going to happen. And their members, like Energy Transfer Partners, and others are some of the biggest donors to politicians in the state. So, you know, why shouldn't we listen to those people? Kelsy Warren, Dakota Access Pipeline CEO, behind Energy Transfer Partners, gave a million dollars, his largest donation ever to Governor Abbott, right immediately after the legislative session. And this is after his company made well over a billion dollars, I think it's closer to $2 billion, coming out of the winter storm, Energy Transfer Partners. While people died, these people decided it would make better financial sense and profit sense to go ahead and withhold supplies of gas to power plants and gas utilities, and let the price go up before they would deliver that gas and therefore make a ton of money. Forget that more than you know, some say 200, some say 700 people died, many of them freezing to death, many of them carbon monoxide poisoning during the storm, forget that. It's all about the money. And that's the biggest takeaway here, just like we would be fighting Carlos Slim, and ASARCO and other folks, you got to look at what the interest is, you know, why are people supporting this? Why are they facilitating this? I know, it's easy to just say, well, we just got to vote these people out. Well, you know, we've got to come up with strategies that will allow us to do that. We've got to come up with strategies that will make it so, in this state that's so heavily corrupt and captured by corporate interests, fossil fuel interests, industrial interests, that we're going to find a way to cut into their enabling electorate. Their enabling base. And it's more than just a voter registration strategy. It's more than just a mobilization strategy, or getting people to sign a petition, it gets back to what we started talking about with ACORN. What is their base? Where are they? What are their interests? And where does it make sense to try and make some inroads, and cut away? And unfortunately, we just don't have enough of that happening in Texas. There's an effort to try to build coalitions with, you know, some social justice and some youth focused organizations. But we're all part of that same progressive "groupthink" or Democratic base, that we're not actually doing much to expand, other than registering some new voters. And there's a lot of unpacking that needs to happen. You know, can we go talk to some steel workers or some people on the Texas-Mexico border, who started to vote more for Republicans and Trump, because they were worried about the Green New Deal? They're worried about losing their oil jobs. Why, I mean, like, to this day, we haven't made that pivot collectively as a movement, and it's hella frustrating.John Fiege  Yeah, it gets back to what we were talking about earlier with, you know, kind of the DNA of environmental justice orientation to this work, the work has to be intersectional if you want to transition Texas, the oil capital of the world, to to non-fossil fuel based energy, you know, you need to deal with, with voting rights, you need to deal with the bad education system, you need to deal with healthcare issues, you need to deal with police brutality, and you know, it's like it's all connected. To think that we can remove this issue of decarbonizing our energy source from all of that other, you know, what some people see as messy stuff is delusional, it just doesn't doesn't work, doesn't make sense. Especially, and it's so obvious in places like Texas, where, you know, what are they doing? They're just trying to, they're trying to suppress the vote, like, they know what the deal is, you know, they're they're losing numbers. They need to disenfranchise more voters in order to maintain this system. Dave Cortez  You know, there's an important caveat and distinction for environmentalists, environmental justice folks, or whatever. You know, if you talk to John Beard with Port Arthur Community Action Network, you know, he's a former steel worker. His whole pitch in Port Arthur is about youth engagement jobs, investing in the community. He's willing to talk to the companies, things like that. It's not environmental-first type of thinking. But the enviros, and you'll see this any legislative session, if you pay attention, we are on the far losing side of the losers. Okay, the Democrats being the losers, you know, Democrats in Texas carry House Bill 40, which is the ban on fracking bans. You know, Mrs. T, Senator Senfronia Thompson out of Houston, she authored that bill, Black Democrat, you know, revered for her work on voting rights and reproductive justice. You know, enviros, we are way, way out of the mix. And so even if we got those organizations doing the work you're talking about, to speak about climate change, speak about the grid, you know, pollution, things like that, we'd still be part of that losing side. And I'm not saying we need to need to be building out into red country, or rural country. It's a critique of the broader progressive movement that we aren't doing enough to find people, the greater majority of people that don't participate in our process, in politics, in voting, except in presidential elections. We are not doing enough to reach people who are just going about their lives and do not give a s**t about the things that we post online about our petitions or positions, or our op-eds, or whatever. That is where the fight is, we've got to draw more people in while the right wing tries to keep more people out. That's our only pathway. And so--John Fiege  What does a just transition mean to you?Dave Cortez  It's what we've been talking about, it's a whole shift in, you know, the operating system of a of a community, whether it's a town of 50,000 people or a state of, you know, 25 million. Just transition means that we're taking into full consideration, our triple bottom line, you know, our health, and shelter, and food, you know, our economics, our jobs, and ability to put, you know, bring income and get the things that we need. And, you know, just the land and our ecology. Just transition has to anchor that we are--that those things are connected, and that they're not--they can't be separated, that in order for our families, and our children and our neighbors and all that, to have a future and have a livelihood, we need to be concerned about our air quality, concerned about our water quality, but also about the quality of their education, the access to healthy food and grocery stores. If you were to talk to people and ask them to envision what, you know, their dream society looks like, which is a hard thing for people to do nowadays. You know, you'll hear some of these things and just transition is the process that we take to get there. It's not about you know, getting a worker from a fossil fuel job into a clean energy job.John Fiege  Well, and speaking of that, you know, in addition to your beyond coal and just transition work, you've done a lot of work with low income communities of color in Austin around a whole assortment of things: illegal dumping, access to green space, community solar and solar equity, green gentrification among among a bunch of other stuff. Can you talk about gentrification and how Austin has changed in the time you've been there and the tension that's emerged about Austin becoming one of the greenest but also increasingly one of the least affordable cities in the country? Dave Cortez  Yeah it's tough. People in Austin are largely still here to just party, have fun, make money. You know, they're really eager to do what they moved here for, you know, go do the cool thing and the restaurant, and the corporate soccer game and whatnot, you know, fine, whatever, I'm not trying to harp on people who want to have a good time, the problem is that there's no thread of the greater good of civil society, of trying to care for those in town that struggle and have the least. That doesn't exist here. It's just, it has lessened every year, it might be new people moving here might be more money here, and people being displaced. But you know, for the most part, with gentrification, the white wealthy middle class here is strong, you know, median family income is close to $90,000, you know, qualifying for affordable housing, you can make a ton of money and still qualify for affordable housing. And the people that move in, my brother calls them the new pilgrims. They're not super interested in learning what was there before, they're interested in what's around them now, and what might come in the future. And we do have a responsibility to make sure that we not just offer up but press on people at the doors, at community events, you know, cool, fun, s**t, barbecues and things like that, to learn what was there before they came, you know, sort of an onboarding into the neighborhood. And we did some of this in Montoplis, my old neighborhood that I lived in before I moved to South Austin, you know, people who I was like, "man, they're never going to help us," they're just, you know, part of that new white, middle class "new pilgrim." When I learned the history of the community, and the issues that were going on, I said, "Hell, yeah, whatever I can do," from, you know, cooking funding, speaking, writing letters, coming to meetings, you name it, you know, but we had to keep on 'em. And we had to give them a meaningful task. There is a lot of power, gentrification sucks. But I've really tried to work with myself on not being--automatically hating folks for just trying to move in into a home. But you do have to challenge folks on how they behave after they've moved in, you know, in Austin with our urban farming and desire for new urbanism and density and things like that, the culture of I know what's best is so thick, and it's really hard to stay patient. But I try to, even when I get mad and angry and frustrated, I try to remind people of what's called the Jemez Principles for Democratic Organizing, and the People's Institute for Survival and Beyond's Principles of Anti-Racism, encourage them to read them, and to do everything they can to just shut the F up, and go listen to the people that they're talking about in affected communities. And get a sense of where you might be able to build some common ground.John Fiege  I actually wanted to spend a minute on that because, you know, you started, or you were one of the organizers, who started environmental justice group in Austin years ago, and I went to a bunch of the meetings. And I feel like that's where, you know, we got to start hanging out a bunch for the first time. But you would always start the meetings with the Jemez Principles for Democratic Organizing. And, you know, those came out of this meeting hosted by the Southwest Network for Environmental and Economic Justice and Jemez, New Mexico back in the 90s. Can you talk more specifically about the principles and why they're important to the work you're doing?Dave Cortez  So when you're thinking about undoing racism, or being an antiracist or antiracism work, you know, you're acknowledging that you're confronting a built system, something that's built under a false construct, race, you know, and when you're going to combat that, there's, you know, there's a lot of issues to it or whatever, but the Jemez principles will help you see, how do you approach people and talk about it? You know, for example, listen, let people speak is one of the principles, you know, listen to the people on the ground. Don't barge in there don't don't come in with your your petition and your fancy stuff and, or be online and be a dick. You know, go try to introduce yourself and get to know people. You know, ask questions. That's okay. You know, people were very generous for the most part, whether they're Black or Brown or or Native or Asian, or you name it, you know? If you're able to ask questions and listen about an issue, people will likely talk, you know. Trying to work in solidarity and mutuality is another big one for me, you know, it's not just about like, "I'm here to help you," versus, "I'm here because our struggles are connected and intertwined. And for me and my family to be successful and get what we need, it depends on your family, and your people being successful and getting what you need. How can we work together to make sure that we everything we do reinforces that and that we lift each other up?" A lot of things that we see is very transactional in the advocacy and activism world, you know, sign this, and then we'll go do that for you, or will tell the person to do the thing and change? It's not so much how can what can we do to help you directly, like we talked about bills and taxes and things like that. But also, we have to know that, what is it we're gonna get out of it, it's not just this potential policy outcome. There's tremendous value in human relationships. And in culture and community building, you're going to learn about the people in your community, you're going to learn about the history, you're going to learn, you know, and make new friends and maybe some recipes, maybe, you know, some new music or something. It's limitless. You know, humans have tremendous potential in beauty. But we we rob ourselves of that by, you know, retreating into our silos in our, in our four walls. You know, Jemez can give something--these are short, short, little principles that can give people something to read and reflect on, they can be kind of abstract and theory based, but when you're advocating for change, and then you look at these and you ask yourself, "sm I doing this?" There's tremendous potential for learning, and changing how we do our work.John Fiege  And the Sierra Club is one of the oldest large-scale environmental groups in the world. And it's traditionally been a white organization. Its founder John Muir made racist remarks about Black and Indigenous people, and in 2020, the Sierra Club officially apologized for those remarks and the white supremacist roots of the organization. In Texas, with your work and your presence, I feel like you've really helped the Sierra Club evolve there, where you are, and you th

Jemez Historic Site, like all of New Mexico's Historic Sites and museums, offers unique historical and cultural perspectives on the deep and wide-ranging communities, languages, and traditions across the state. And while New Mexico contains a complicated and layered history, these Sites not only honor history but vibrant and ongoing cultures that continue to this day.  Marlon Magdalena, the Instructional Coordinator Supervisor at Jemez Historic Site and member of the Jemez Pueblo, says that all aspects of his community, currently and in the past, are important. “My primary goal is just to tell people who the Jemez people are--that we're people that are still around. We're Indigenous people, Native American people, that we still exist. We're still here. And we still have our languages, we still have our language, we have our culture traditions.”  In this episode of Encounter Culture, Marlon Magdalena shares his knowledge of the night skies, his perspective on the Pueblo Revolt, and his flute making and flute playing. Notably, Marlon played with Clark Tenakhongva and Matthew Nelson of Öngtupqa in the United Arab Emirates. Clark and Matthew's music (featuring Gary Stroutsos on flute) is featured throughout season 4 of Encounter Culture, which tells the story of Miguel Trujillo.  MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE Visit https://newmexicoculture.org for info about our museums, historic sites, virtual tours, and more. Our favorite way to fully experience everything they have to offer is with the New Mexico Culture Pass. Find out how to get yours here. Subscribe to El Palacio Magazine *** Encounter Culture, a production of the New Mexico Department of Cultural Affairs, is produced and edited by Andrea Klunder at The Creative Impostor Studios. Hosted by Emily Withnall, editor at El Palacio Magazine Executive Producer: Daniel Zillmann Technical Director & Post-Production Audio: Edwin R. Ruiz Recording Engineer: Kabby at Kabby Sound Studios in Santa Fe Editor & Production Manager: Alex Riegler Theme Music: D'Santi Nava Instagram: @newmexicanculture

Remember, we welcome comments, questions, and suggested topics at thewonderpodcastQs@gmail.com. An Atheopagan Declaration of Policy Values (2022): https://theapsocietyorg.files.wordpress.com/2022/03/an-atheopagan-declaration-of-policy-values-2022.final_.pdf S4E30 TRANSCRIPT:   Yucca: Welcome back to The Wonder, Science Based Paganism. I'm one of your hosts, Yucca. Mark: And I'm the other one, Mark. Yucca: And today, we're talking about religion and politics. Mark: Yes, but don't turn it off. Yucca: Yes, we were saying, what should we call this? What should we call this? But no, this is, this is important. This is what we're going to talk about. And there's a lot to say here. But today it was inspired because, Mark, you just got back from a trip, which you got to do some pretty cool politicking. Mark: Yes I went to Washington, D. C. as a part of a fly in delegation by the Conservation Alliance, and I'll tell some of those stories later advocating for protections for public lands, including the designation of some new national monuments. So, I, as I said, I'll, I'll talk about that stuff later but yeah, just got back from a lobby trip, Yucca: Yeah. So one of the things that... It is very common to hear in pagan circles, and I think probably not just pagan circles, but a lot of new age things and kind of, mini counterculture sorts of groups, is, you know, don't bring politics. into this, right? Don't, don't bring politics into my religion. Don't, you know, we, we aren't going to talk about that. We're not going to be this is separate, right? Let's be, let's be off in our realm or our magical experience and leave that other stuff out. Mark: right? And there is so much to be said about that. I mean, it has a nexus with toxic positivity. This idea that, you know, we should only talk about happy, shiny stuff, and that, you know, we're going to have this nice, warm, glowy, serotonin oxytocin experience by doing our, our spirituality, and we're just not going to engage with anything that doesn't stimulate that. It has to do with the toxicity that we see in the societies around us where the mainstream religions are engaging with public policy and they're doing it for really destructive and antisocial reasons. And so that becomes sort of the poster child for why you wouldn't want you to have politics in your spiritual space. But a lot of it, in my opinion, is simply... We don't want to think about any of those issues because they might bring us down. Yucca: hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah. But, and there's just so much to say because there's, it's going to depend on every different kind of situation but I think that if we think about the values that We often claim to have that we value the earth, that we think the earth is sacred. You know, we may have different interpretations on, you know, whether divinity is involved with that or not, but hey, we're agreeing, we think that the earth is important, we're agreeing about believing that love and freedom and all of these things are important, then I think that... If we really believe that, then we have a responsibility to those things. Mark: Yes, yes, we it's because they won't happen by themselves. You know, there are interests which are destructive interests and are not filled with love and are not about advancing liberty and are not about supporting the biosphere in a manner which is consistent with biodiversity and with the sustaining of humanity. And they're out there advocating for their stuff every day. And if we absent ourselves from the process because we think that it is too negative or too gross or too demoralizing, then we are leaving the field to those who would do us harm. And it's just not, there is no logic to it that makes sense to me, other than at the most sort of Self indulgent, I just want to feel good for me kind of place, where it makes sense to say, I'm not going to vote, I'm not going to advocate for what I care about, I'm not going to be interested in any kind of activism. I mean, everybody's circumstances Yucca: become informed about it, Mark: right. Yucca: right? Mark: Everybody's circumstances are different, and not everybody can be a big activist, right? You know, if you're, you know, you're raising kids, or, and you're, you know, scraping by, and, you know, there's a lot of different, I mean, poverty is a social control strategy. Yucca: Yeah, Mark: So, it is, it is one way that people who have the common good at heart are kept limited in the amount of power that they have. So let's, let's not mince words about that. But even with the limitations that we have, I have always felt that it was my responsibility to do what I can to try to advance the values that matter to me. And I'm pleased to say that the community that's grown up around atheopaganism is very much the same way. We're gonna, we're gonna put a Link in the show notes to the Atheopagan Declaration of Policy Values, which came out last year and was developed by the community with tons of community input and editing and all that kind of stuff. Yucca: There was a lot of back and forth and lots and lots of people participating and, you know, wording things just for, it was quite inspiring, actually. Mm hmm, Mark: the level, level of collaboration with the minimal amount of argument was very inspiring to me. And so now we have this document, and it can be downloaded from the Atheopagan Society website. So we're going to put the link in the, in the show notes so you can download that. But that's an example of the community speaking out on issues that really matter to us, and saying, this is where we stand. This is what our activism is going to be built around. This is, you know, we... We embrace LGBTQ people. We do. And it's not just, it's not just You know, so called virtue signaling, we genuinely do, we want those folks, we want people of color, we want indigenous people in our community, you know, we want them to be safe, we want them to be seen, we want them to be heard as, as an example. And similarly, along the environmental axis, along the axis of personal liberty and autonomy, bodily autonomy, all of those you know, the importance of critical thinking and science all of those pieces are a part of what our movement is about. And so, when we talk with the public, That is, that is core to what we express. Yes, we're here for happiness. We're here for people to feel good. We're all for that. But as one of the atheopagan principles says, you know, responsibility, social responsibility is one of our principles. Yucca: right. Mark: It is an obligation that we have. Yucca: And so those values, they're not just about talking about them, they're about, those are what inform the choices that we're making. Mark: Mm hmm. Yucca: Right? And being able to reflect on what those are, right? is really important. Have conversations about that, because we're not, there's going to be nuance, right? We're not always going to see eye to eye on things, and being able to, as individuals, talk about that with each other, and as a community, be able to, to talk about that and, and, you know, have that conversation is really important. Mark: Absolutely. Absolutely. And we learn from one another, right? I mean, that's a really important piece because As strongly as I feel on a value level about supporting people of color in the LBGTQI plus community I'm not one of either of those groups. And so I have to listen a lot in order to understand, well, what is an appropriate statement to make in support, right? How do I show up as an ally and as and as an advocate? Or a supporter for their advocacy, you know. So, you know, it's not as simple as just having a laundry list of policy positions. And it has to also recognize that we live in a world of subtle differences. Right? Subtle gradations of change throughout the whole natural world, and that includes humanity. So, I get really kind of bent sideways when I hear the lesser of two evils, or I'm not going to vote for that person because of this one little position, when the alternative is so much worse on every position. The best analogy that I've heard is that voting isn't dating, it's selecting, it's selecting the best possible option off of the available menu. And the available menu only includes people that actually have a chance of getting elected. It's not just some fringe outlier who tells you what you want to hear. Yucca: mhm, Mark: that can actually get into a position to make change in a positive direction. Yucca: mhm, mhm, mhm. Mark: So, we had a bunch of stuff on the outline for this podcast. What else have you got? Yucca: Well, certainly the, the issue of privilege is definitely Mark: Oh, yeah  Yucca: and this is something that I think comes up where people will be unaware of the place of privilege that they may be coming from to be able to say, I don't want to deal with this. I don't want this coming into, you know, my religion or my, anything about that, because that, that isn't the position that most people are going to be in that situation, right? Yeah. Mm Mark: Yeah the, I think the clearest way to express that is that if you have the luxury of saying, Oh, I don't want to vote that just encourages them, or I'm not going to consider any of those issues because I just want to be on my, you know, spiritual path of lightness and joy thing. Is that people that are marginalized and endangered by the way our society operates, they don't have the luxury to do that. If you look at voting rates, for example, African American women vote astronomically in high proportions in the United States. And the reason for that is that the interests of the community that they are in are, are, are stark. The, you know, the threats that certain people like a Donald Trump and the people that he brings with him present to that community are so real. They're not, they're not theoretical. It's not just something where, where as a white person, you look at it and go, Oh, gee, that's too bad. This is life and death for them. And they turn out to vote. They're organized. They're knowledgeable. You know, these are people who are, are leveraging the power that they have absolutely as much as they can. And when I hear people say, you know, oh, well, I'm not going to vote because blah, blah, blah. What I, what I really hear is, I am so cushioned from the impacts of the policies that get made by people that I don't... Agree with in theory that I can just skate on this and ride on, on the, the, the privilege that I enjoy in the society in order to avoid having to deal with something that I might find icky. Yucca: yeah, I'm being served by the system, fundamentally. Yeah. Mark: So, you know, I'll give an example. It's like, an argument can be made that the certain proportion of people who in, in key states who supported Bernie Sanders, And then refused to vote for Hillary Clinton may have given us Donald Trump. It's not that they had to agree with everything that Hillary Clinton said because they didn't, I didn't. But the appointees that she was going to make, the appointees to the Supreme Court, the appointees to the, the cabinet positions, the appointees to federal judgeships. All of those things were going to be head and shoulders above any of the things that Trump ended up doing. And it's painful to say, but those people needed to look at the big picture and go and vote for Hillary Clinton. And they didn't. And it's that, it's that, that sense of privilege, that sense of it not mattering that much that I really think needs to be interrogated on the left. And I am on the left, right, but I'm on the left that seeks to achieve progress because I'm a progressive, and progress happens in incremental steps most of the time. Progress isn't a home run. Progress is a base hit, and electing Hillary Clinton would have been a base hit on the way towards achieving better policies. And instead, we have what we have. So, you know, and I realize that there are going to be people that are going to be fuming when they hear me say this but seriously, look at the playing board, and look at what we got, and You know, think about, well, what does this mean for the next election? Where, where should I be putting my support? Yucca: Hmm, yeah definitely was not expecting that, I was not prepared for that direction of the conversation. That's something that I would have to really think a lot on. I understand some of the sentiment behind it, but I would want to look more at some of the numbers. And some of the assumptions about who is entitled to what vote, and whether those, I think that there's a lot to that situation, and I don't feel comfortable, I mean, you certainly have the opinion that you want, but necessarily agreeing and and um humming without really looking at that particular situation. I think that there's a lot that was going on there. But I've certainly heard that argument a lot, and one of the things that I have been uncomfortable with is, and I'm not saying that you're saying this, but this is something that I have heard often, is the sense of entitlement of those people's votes. That, you know, somehow this party was entitled to people's votes. What about... So, you know, do the numbers actually work out of how many Democrats voted Republican in that situation versus how many Independents voted one direction or the other? I think that there's a lot to really look into there. Mark: Sure, sure. And I have looked into it some. Yucca: Mm hmm. Mark: I should be clear, I'm not saying that Hillary Clinton deserved anybody's vote, or was entitled to everybody's, to anybody's vote. I'm saying she deserved them from a strategic standpoint. Yucca: hmm. Mark: That when you look at the playing field, And what was the right next move, that that was the right next move. And in certain states like Wisconsin there were, there were enough votes that dropped off. That the argument can be made, but, but let's, Yucca: Yeah. Mark: let's make the whole thing abstract, okay? Rather than talking about that, that election in specific, let's talk about elections generally. When you have a situation where somebody who you agree with 50 percent is running against somebody who is agreeing with you 10%, And then there's somebody out there who agrees with you 100%, but they have no ability to be elected. And it's clear Yucca: Mm hmm. Mark: You know, I need to go for the 50 percent because, again, I'm a progressive. So I want to see things advance, even if they're going to go a lot slower than I want them to go. Yucca: Right, well I think in some of that case it's going to depend on what are the particular changes that, and what are the things that you are placing at highest priority, right? And if one of the things that you're placing at high priority is trying to do something about the monopoly, then that the two parties have, I can see the logic of making a different choice there. But I think that the point, I think the point where we probably agree is that when you're voting, it's something to be very strategic about. It's to look at what is the situation where you are and what are the possible outcomes and thinking about You know, what are the values that you are, that you are fighting for in that case, right? What are they, right? Mark: and the key takeaway that I would, that I would leave this particular rabbit hole with is that not to vote is to vote. If you don't vote, you are Yucca: is voting, yeah. Mark: It is voting. So it is you know, you, you don't get away with your hands clean just because you don't vote, right? You, you bear a responsibility for election outcomes just like everybody else does. And that's a really important thing for people in democracies to understand. And I'll talk a little bit later on about democracy and the degree to which we have it and all that good kind of stuff. Yucca: And This is just one area, right? This is an area that we happen to be talking about because this is an area where, where this is something that there's some strong opinions on, and this is an area where people do have influence, but of course there's a lot of other things. As well, in terms of you know, commercial choices and lifestyle choices and all of that kind of stuff that we can but one thing I really want to highlight, and you touched on this a little bit before, but I think it really deserves its own section of the podcast as well, is that being able to spend large amounts of time on these issues is a form of privilege itself too, right? And this is not something that everyone has. And you don't have to be guilty and beat yourself up and you're not a bad pagan because you've got to do a 9 to 5 plus your two side jobs to even be able to Barely make rent, right? That's not, so we're not sitting here saying, oh, shame on, you're failing because you're not fighting oil rigs in the, you know, gulf and how come you're out there? Like, that's not what we're saying at all. And I think that it's really, really important to think about and balance in our lives the self care component. And, that sometimes, yes, it's, sometimes it is okay to just have your celebration and to not necessarily be talking about, you know, let's raise money for this, this particular candidate at this time, or something like that, but know that it does, that this stuff does have a place in the community, it is important, but it isn't, The, you don't have to be doing it all the time, if that's not what your, what your mental health needs. Mark: No, no, definitely not. And it's important for those of us that have the privilege to be able to engage the system in that way, either from the outside or the inside, that we recognize that privilege and use it. Right? You know, those of us that have the bandwidth, those of us who have You know, the thick enough skin and that have the energy and sometimes the money even just to travel, to go somewhere. I mean, the trip that I just took, I didn't pay for because otherwise I wouldn't have gone, right? But but it's, it's, that kind of privilege is very visible. It's like, The D. C. is a very, very African American town. It's a very Black town. Lots and lots of Black folks, and, until you get into the Congressional buildings, and there it whitens up considerably Yucca: Mm Mark: with the lobbyists and the, you know, the constituents that are going not, not universally, of course but noticeably, and it is incumbent upon those of us who have been there. The privilege to be able to engage, to do what we can to improve justice, and to speak for the things that we care about so that they can advance. Yucca: hmm. Mark: So, I could talk about my trip. Yucca: Yeah. Yeah, you were just talking about D. C., so, Mark: Okay, well. So, I got sent on a fly in with the Conservation Alliance, which is a consortium of businesses which was originally founded by REI, the North Face Peak Design, and Patagonia. And they came together to create a unified voice for speaking up for the outdoors, for for wild lands and outdoor recreation. That was a long time ago, and now they have 270 businesses from a variety of different sectors, and what they do every couple of years is they gather a bunch of the leaders of those businesses along with, and they make grants, right? They pool their money and they make grants to organizations that are doing organizing and advocacy for the issues that they care about, and the organization I work for, Cal Wild, is one of those. Yucca: mm hmm. So that's how you were able to go on this trip? Mark: Yes, CalWild was invited to send a representative, and I was selected to go, and so I went. This is not the first time that I've been to Washington to lobby, but the last time was in the 90s. So it's been a while. And everything has changed, of course. I mean, technology has changed everything, and 9 11 has changed all the security. So, it's, it's just a completely different experience. So, so I went and I was going to speak on to, as a grantee, to speak as a content expert about the positions that we're trying to advance. My organization right now is working very hard. for the creation of three new national monuments in California. My organization is limited to California, so that's why, you know, that. But we're also advocating for some policy changes at the administration level, which would affect the whole of the United States. And I should say, you know, we're talking a lot about kind of American politics in this podcast, but if you have a representative democracy of any kind, the things that we're talking about are really applicable to you too. Yucca: Right. Yeah, we're just talking about our experience with our Mark: the stuff we know about. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, the idea here is not to get everybody all plugged into American politics. It's to use that as an example of what citizen participation or resident participation looks like and why it's important. I go on this trip and I go to Washington and I meet with the team and we have a training briefing and all that kind of thing, and my take, we, on the first day, I had two meetings with administration offices with the Department of the Interior and the Council on Environmental Quality of the White House now when we're meeting with staff, we're not meeting with the people that are in charge in those agencies, we probably would have met with the Secretary of the Interior, but it's Climate Week in North Northern New York, so she was away at Climate Week, Yucca: Mm Mark: Um, so, and there was something going on with the Department of Environmental Quality such that we had the staffer that we had. But these are sharp, smart, influential people that we're talking to, and the sense that I got, and then the second day we had meetings with California delegation members both to the Senate and to the House of Representatives, including my congressman which I had a very interesting experience with talking to my congressman's office in Washington, so I'll get to that in a minute. Yucca: hmm. Mm Mark: The main takeaway that I got from, especially from meeting with the administration, was that they want to do what we want them to do. Their, their hearts are in the right place. And they are delighted that we are coming to Washington and talking to people, and organizing on the ground in local communities, because they need the political cover to be able to do what we want them to do. Yucca: hmm. Mark: And in that Yucca: like that's charging them up, right? They want to do it, but they need to be charged with the power of the people. Mark: yes, Yucca: Yeah. Mark: Exactly so. And... It gives them something to point to when opponents say, we don't want that, Yucca: Mm Mark: right, they can, you know, they can point to the organizing that my organization is doing and say, well, the people in the community who live right next door want it, you know, the elected officials of the county where the expansion of the National Monument is proposed, they want it. So, You know, those are their representatives and they elected them to office to make those decisions, so why shouldn't we do this? So it's really important to be doing that kind of community organizing and talking to other people about the things that you care about in a, you know, in a focused way. So that was really gratifying to me because, of course, American democracy has taken a beating over the last 20 years, but it's still functioning. Thank you. The elections are kind of messed up, and we could certainly do without gerrymandering and and all the dark money, and I could go on, but as well as the occasional insurrection, which I really, really think we could do without. I walked Yucca: that's not an, let's have that be a singular thing, please. Mark: yes. I walked several times, because the house office buildings and the senatorial office buildings are on opposite sides of the capitol. I walked back and forth in front of where the insurrection took place a bunch of times. And there it is, you know, large is life. And, you know, there are the windows they broke, that's how they got in, you know, there's where they hung their banners, you know, all that. So, that said it was encouraging to see that at least under this administration, There was a commitment to listening to constituents and to hearing, you know, they were very appreciative of the businesses that were represented there, you know, in, you know, speaking up on behalf of protecting public lands so that their ecological values last forever, their recreational opportunities there, all that kind of stuff. Yucca: Actually, is that something you can, I know that we're talking kind of more process here, but for a moment, you were, talking about trying to get more national monuments. Why are those important? Mark: Oh, good. Very, very good question. My organization focuses on conservation of wild lands on public lands. And a lot of Yucca: you keep going, can you define conservation? Because that is a term that has a lot of different baggage attached to it. So what do you mean when you say conservation? Mark: man protection of the land so that it will not be developed in certain ways. And management of the land for the resource, for the benefit of the resources that are there, of the ecological resources, cultural resources in some cases historical resources, and recreational opportunities for people to go camping or hiking or whatever that might be. So, one... One misapprehension that many Americans have is the idea that public land is protected land. And it is not. Most public land in the United States is owned by the Bureau of Land Management or by the U. S. Forest Service. And those have been managed primarily for extractive purposes like logging and mining and Yucca: Oil is big Mark: and oil exploration. Yucca: yeah. Mark: Yeah, very big. So we're advocating for chunks. of undeveloped land to be protected in perpetuity and managed for the benefit of those values. Yucca: Mm hmm. Mark: That's what a national monument does. Or a National Wilderness Area, which is declared by Congress. We're not asking for a National Wilderness Area in the areas we're focusing on because Congress is broken, and there's no way to get anything through it. the President can use the National Antiquities Act to declare a national monument. He can do that on his own. Yucca: So, by taking , these areas, you're setting aside, you're allowing ecosystems to stay intact, right? So that you can have the populations of these animals and plants or whatever. Particular kind of species you're looking at, they have a place to be, they can continue to play the roles that they would play in a hopefully healthy system and to help manage for that, Mark: Right, and that helps us to accomplish a couple of important things, one of which is, you know, we have a biodiversity crash problem, you know, the, the biodiversity of the earth is the, which is the number of different species and the number of individuals of those species are both on a steep decline. Having habitat is necessary in order for, you know, organization, organisms to live. And but not only that, this is a very interesting one. One of the things that we're advocating for is the expansion of Joshua Tree National Park. Yucca: hmm. Mm hmm. Mark: And the reason for that is that because of climate change, Joshua trees are migrating out of Joshua Tree National Park. Yucca: Interesting. Mark: Over time, they're moving north because it's too hot Yucca: Because it's warm. Yeah. Okay. Mark: Yeah. So, it... Protecting these areas also enables the natural systems of the earth to do what they do in terms of adaptation, right? So, there's a place for the Joshua trees to go as the southernmost of them die because of excessive heat, and conditions become better for them outside of the park to the north. So that's just one example.  Yucca: And may I add that we of course want to protect these for simply the innate value of that being , has any right, as much right to be there as we do. But they also, the functioning system performs ecosystem functions, which is like cleaning the water and the air that we all breathe. So it's, it's not just that, oh, we like there being lots of animals and plants and fungi. It's that there needs to be. these plants and fungi and animals for life as we understand it to continue to function, Mark: right, exactly. And that requires, because everything is so fragmented now, it requires some level of active management in order to protect from invasions by invasive species, for example, which will wipe out all the biodiversity. Yucca: right? Or in my area of the world where we're missing keystone species, so we're missing whole ecological roles, there used to be these animals that aren't there anymore, and if you just take your hands off and you don't touch it, you fence that area off, that area will starve, quite literally, right? If you don't, if humans don't try, because it's kind of like the voting. No management is management. Mark: yes. Yucca: Right? It is a choice that we're making as well. And so we have to really be thoughtful about and understand the systems that we're dealing with. Mark: right. And there is so much science. I'm not saying we know everything, because we don't. There's an awful lot that we don't know, but there is a tremendous body of science about how to manage lands in order to improve biodiversity at this point. Yucca: And we're getting better at it. Mark: One of the things that we who work in the conservation sector, in the environmental sector, actually need to fight against within our own ranks is the group of people who still advocate for putting a fence around things and leaving it alone. Yucca: That's why I asked you a little bit about how you are using the term, because where I am, the term has been kind of changing a little bit, where we have kind of two different camps, which are the restorationists and the conservationists. And the conservationists are the people who, who are, you know, an anti gras, who are like, don't touch anything. Don't just fence it off. Don't know people know nothing. And then you've got the people who are going, well, let's look at the way the whole system works and maybe we do need to, you know, one, let's not keep kick the people off. 'cause you know, It's been here for 20, 000 years. But also, like, what, you know, what about the animals? What do we do for the, you know? So that's why I was kind of asking a little bit about that terminology there. Mark: here's a great example in California. There were devastating wildfires. that ran through Sequoia National Park. And in Sequoia National Park are the giant sequoia trees, these, you know, huge, vast, amazing, amazing Yucca: Amazing. Mark: awe inspiring. Well, because humans had been suppressing fire in those forests for a hundred years, when that wildfire ripped through, it burned much, much hotter than it ever would have otherwise, and killed a lot of those trees. Now, there's a big debate. The Park Service wants to replant seedlings of giant sequoias. in the burned area. And there are environmental organizations, self styled, that are saying, no, you can't do that. You just have to let nature take its course because that's the right thing. But we have been suppressing fire for a hundred years. We have been doing the most invasive, destructive thing that can be done to that ecosystem for a hundred years, and now you say we're supposed to leave it alone? That's ridiculous. You know, reseeding giant sequoias in that area is absolutely the right thing to do in order to keep the species from going extinct. And, I, I don't know, I mean, obviously this is what I believe. Yucca: I'm smiling as you're saying that because I used to work in stand management in the Jemez, and we had very, very similar, like, I can hear the two sides right now and it's, People get, have very, it's very emotional, right, and one of the things that happens, I think, is that people have very strong emotional connections without having some of the background to understand what is happening. And that goes back to what we were talking about before with some of our responsibility, I think, is that we have a responsibility to become informed about these Issues and learn about them and and be able to, if you're going to be involved in making choices about how these If this land is going to be managed, you need to understand the ecosystems that you're dealing with. Because our system, our ponderosa pine systems are very similar in terms of the fire ecology. You know, people become very, people are very concerned about thinning and controlled burns and things like that, and I think that they're coming from a good place. Their hearts in a good place in it, but are very, very misinformed about what the results of their actions will be if we do that. Mark: And there are two big pieces there that I think really are takeaways from all of this. The first one is that they are coming from a good place, but it's a romantic place. And we need to recognize in ourselves when we are romanticizing something rather than basing our decisions on facts. Yucca: Mm Mark: The second is... We have seen a terrible onslaught on the appreciation for expertise over the course of the last 40 years or so. And we need to respect the people who have letters after their names and understand deeply how things work. We need to listen to them. And they don't all agree with one another, that's fine. But in generally, in most cases, there is a scientific consensus. To some degree about what is the right course for these sorts of decisions. And we need to be listening to people that have devoted their lives to understanding these questions, rather than just thinking that because we like trees or we like nature, that we are in a position to make those kinds of decisions. Yucca: hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah. Mark: I'm speaking to you and you're in the process of getting letters after your name. Yucca: I have plenty of letters. I'm getting some more letters, but yes. Yeah. . Well, I had cut you off when you, in your story, to ask you to explain a little bit about the monuments, of why that was such an important issue for you to go across the entire continent. to talk about. Mark: That was a really important question. And as you mentioned this, yeah, it's true. I mean, there are a few reasons that I would put myself into an airplane at this point because of the impact on the atmosphere, but this is one that feels like on balance.  Yucca: Potentially for your lungs, too. Mark: yes, yes, that's true boy, although I came back here and oh my god, the smoke, we're, we're really, we're really buried in, in wildfire smoke right now. So, Going to, and, and, you don't have to go to D. C. in order to advocate for things you care about. First of all, a lot of decisions are local, and you can go and talk with local officials, or organize a contingent to go and talk with local officials. But also, your congressional representative has an office in your area. You can go and talk with them and let them know what you feel about things. Yucca: Well, and state level as well, Mark: state level, absolutely. Yucca: right? And it, you know, it's going to depend a lot on your state. The experience in a smaller, population smaller state it may be A lot easier, like in my state in New Mexico, going down to the roundhouses is super easy you just walk in and there's everybody and you just go up and talk to them. I would imagine in a more populated state, it's a little bit trickier, but it's still possible, right? Mark: The culture contrast between, you know, California, of course, is the most populous state, almost 40 million people and the culture in Sac, yes, between Sacramento, our state capital, and D. C. is really stark. When you go to lobby in Sacramento, If you're a Democrat, you almost never wear a tie. I mean, registered lobbyists will probably wear a tie. But if you just go as a constituent or as an advocate for, you know, one of our groovy left enviro positions, You can wear an open shirt and a sport coat, a pair of slacks, I mean, and, you know, you don't have to hide your tattoos and your piercings and all that kind of stuff, it's great. You go to Washington, it's a suit for a man. You wear a suit, you wear a tie. I left my earring in, but that was my one sort of concession. And and you're right, it's very organized and very regimented in Sacramento, just because of the sheer volume of people that are, that are traipsing through there. Yucca: hmm. Mark: But I, I really, I want to come back to this idea that elected officials are there in a democracy to represent you, and they may not know what you think, Yucca: hmm. Mark: so go tell them. You know, get informed on an issue and, you know, go tell them what you think, what you, what you would like them to do. It's more powerful when you've organized more people to be a part of that voice. And that's why the Conservation Alliance exists. And that's Yucca: many other organizations too, Mark: yes, yes. That's why that's why community organizers exist. To gather the voices of... Individuals into a collective voice that's able to make change happen and that's true in any representative democracy, so it's, it's well worth, you know, you know, sticking a hand in, and the people you're talking to are just people. They don't bite. At worst, they will frown. That's, that's Yucca: wrinkle their brow at you. Mark: Yeah, that's, that's about the worst of it. I didn't have any Republican visits this time, so, we were very welcomed and just very encouraged, and I think there are going to be some declarations coming up here in the next few months that will make us very happy. So it's bringing all this back around politics is How we as a collective society make decisions about what's important, what's not, and what's going to happen. And if you care about your world, and as atheopagans and naturalistic pagans, I believe our listeners do care about their world and about their fellow humans then it's incumbent on us to say so, and do things that make things better. Yucca: I keep having the image of Mary and Pippin sitting on Treebeard's shoulder and shouting, but you're part of this world too! Mark: Yeah, yeah, there's, because there are things in this world that are worth fighting for. Right? Yucca: Yep. Well, we could certainly go on for a long time, but I think this is a little bit of a longer episode, so we should probably finish up here. And we are going into October, and we have some fun, and some spooky, and some great episodes coming up. And Stinky, and all of those great things that we love to celebrate, and recognize, and all of those things, and this great Time of year. And happy autumn, everybody. Mark: Happy autumn! Yeah, Yucca: So, thanks, Mark. Mark: yeah, thank you so much, Yucca. It's a pleasure talking with you, and I'm still obviously really kind of jazzed about this trip, so thanks for welcoming a conversation about that into the podcast. Yucca: See y'all next week. Mark: All right, take care.

Creative Resistance requires the collective force of creativity that lies within Indigenous people to interpret the messages of the movement, leaving behind unforgettable artwork. In Episode 5 of the LANDBACK For The People, Nick TIlsen sits with members of NDN Collective's Creative Resistance team to unpack the significance of how art carries our movement forward. On this Episode: Cy Wagoner, Diné, Creative Resistance Director Jaque Fragua, Pueblo of Jemez, Creative Resistance Coordinator Tytianna Harris, Diné, Creative Resistance Action Coordinator  

On August 10 1680, the Pueblo people began the most successful uprising against colonial power in North America.For 11 days, Spanish colonisers were driven out, taken prisoner or killed, their horses were stolen and Christian churches were burnt to the ground. They did not manage to return for the following 12 years. The Pueblo people rebuilt their society and ensured the survival of their traditions, languages and religions.Matt Liebmann joins Don today to discuss the revolt and to share some of his findings from archaeological research in New Mexico.Matt is Professor of Archaeology in the Department of Anthropology at Harvard University, he has conducted collaborative research with the Pueblo of Jemez since 2001.Edited and produced by Sophie Gee. Senior Producer was Charlotte Long.Discover the past on History Hit with ad-free original podcasts and documentaries released weekly presented by world renowned historians like Dan Snow, James Holland, Mary Beard and more.Get 50% off your first 3 months with code AMERICANHISTORY. Download the app on your smart TV or in the app store or sign up at historyhit.com/subscribeYou can take part in our listener survey here.

TJ talks about the cocaine found at the White House, he asks the crew what they're  doing for the weekend and encourages them to go the Jemez to clean it up, For his Geezer Rock Moment Bob Dylan, all this and more on News Radio KKOBSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

From Trout Unlimited Harris Klein comes in to talk about a Cleanup event they are having for the Jemez and the Valles Caldera, also the best fishing spots in NM and the permits required with TJ on News Radio KKOBSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week we hear about two very different crewing experiences. Stephanie was down in Florida crewing Brandy Ray for the Keys 100 miler, and Andrew traveled in the opposite direction to the Jemez mountains near Los Alamos, New Mexico.Be sure to subscribe to the podcast wherever you listen, and we always appreciate you leaving a good rate and review. Join the Facebook Group and follow us on Instagram. Have a topic you'd like to hear discussed in depth, or a guest you'd like to nominate? Email us at info@happyendingstc.org

Some people hold their relationship with Jesus Christ close to their heart and only share it with some people in certain moments. That's ok. Elizabeth Tolliver, on the other hand, shouts her love for Jesus Christ on the rooftops (figuratively speaking)! She has come to know Him so deeply that she wants everyone to feel the same kind of love. This relationship has come through using the Atonement personally, through testing Gospel principles by living them, and by recognizing Jesus through His servants who love and serve her. She knows the difference in her life and heart when she lives the standards of the Gospel compared to living like the world. This is raw and so good! Thanks Elizabeth.

Senate Committee on Indian Affairs Business Meeting to consider S. 460, S. 306, S. 595 & S. 950 Wednesday, March 29 2023 - 02:30 PM Location: Dirksen Room Number: 628 AGENDA S. 460, To amend the Indian Health Care Improvement Act to establish an urban Indian organization confer policy for the Department of Health and Human Services S. 306, A bill to approve the settlement of the water right claims of the Tule River Tribe, and for other purposes S. 595, A bill to approve the settlement of water rights claims of the Pueblos of Acoma and Laguna in the Rio San Jose Stream System and the Pueblos of Jemez and Zia in the Rio Jemez Stream System in the State of New Mexico, and for other purposes S. 950, A bill to amend the Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009 to make a technical correction to the water rights settlement for the Shoshone-Paiute Tribes of the Duck Valley Reservation, and for other purposes (KATZ23266 – Cortez Masto) The business meeting was followed immediately by an oversight hearing titled “The Future of Tribal Energy Development: Implementation of the Inflation Reduction Act and the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.” Committee Notice: https://www.indian.senate.gov/hearing/business-meeting-consider-s-460-s-306-s-595-s-950-and-oversight-hearing-titled-future-tribal

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Senate Committee on Indian Affairs Legislative Hearing to receive testimony on S. 4870, S. 4896 & S. 4898 Wednesday, November 16 2022 - 02:30 PM Location: Dirksen Room Number: 628 AGENDA: S. 4870, Tule River Tribe Reserved Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 S. 4896, Pueblos of Jemez and Zia Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 S. 4898, Pueblos of Acoma and Laguna Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 WITNESS LIST: The Honorable Bryan Newland Assistant Secretary, Indian Affairs U.S. Department of the Interior Washington, D.C. The Honorable Neil Peyron Chairman Tule River Tribe Porterville, California The Honorable Raymond Loretto, DVM Governor Pueblo of Jemez Jemez Pueblo, New Mexico The Honorable Gabriel Galvan Governor Pueblo of Zia Zia Pueblo, New Mexico The Honorable Randall Vicente Governor Pueblo of Acoma Acoma, New Mexico The Honorable Martin Kowemy, Jr. Governor Pueblo of Laguna Laguna, New Mexico Committee Notice: https://www.indian.senate.gov/hearing/business-meeting-consider-s-3168-s-3308-s4104-and-legislative-hearing-receive-testimony-s

Senate Committee on Indian Affairs Legislative Hearing to receive testimony on S. 4870, S. 4896 & S. 4898 Wednesday, November 16 2022 - 02:30 PM Location: Dirksen Room Number: 628 AGENDA: S. 4870, Tule River Tribe Reserved Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 S. 4896, Pueblos of Jemez and Zia Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 S. 4898, Pueblos of Acoma and Laguna Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 WITNESS LIST: The Honorable Bryan Newland Assistant Secretary, Indian Affairs U.S. Department of the Interior Washington, D.C. The Honorable Neil Peyron Chairman Tule River Tribe Porterville, California The Honorable Raymond Loretto, DVM Governor Pueblo of Jemez Jemez Pueblo, New Mexico The Honorable Gabriel Galvan Governor Pueblo of Zia Zia Pueblo, New Mexico The Honorable Randall Vicente Governor Pueblo of Acoma Acoma, New Mexico The Honorable Martin Kowemy, Jr. Governor Pueblo of Laguna Laguna, New Mexico Committee Notice: https://www.indian.senate.gov/hearing/business-meeting-consider-s-3168-s-3308-s4104-and-legislative-hearing-receive-testimony-s

Senate Committee on Indian Affairs Legislative Hearing to receive testimony on S. 4870, S. 4896 & S. 4898 Wednesday, November 16 2022 - 02:30 PM Location: Dirksen Room Number: 628 AGENDA: S. 4870, Tule River Tribe Reserved Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 S. 4896, Pueblos of Jemez and Zia Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 S. 4898, Pueblos of Acoma and Laguna Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 WITNESS LIST: The Honorable Bryan Newland Assistant Secretary, Indian Affairs U.S. Department of the Interior Washington, D.C. The Honorable Neil Peyron Chairman Tule River Tribe Porterville, California The Honorable Raymond Loretto, DVM Governor Pueblo of Jemez Jemez Pueblo, New Mexico The Honorable Gabriel Galvan Governor Pueblo of Zia Zia Pueblo, New Mexico The Honorable Randall Vicente Governor Pueblo of Acoma Acoma, New Mexico The Honorable Martin Kowemy, Jr. Governor Pueblo of Laguna Laguna, New Mexico Committee Notice: https://www.indian.senate.gov/hearing/business-meeting-consider-s-3168-s-3308-s4104-and-legislative-hearing-receive-testimony-s

Senate Committee on Indian Affairs Legislative Hearing to receive testimony on S. 4870, S. 4896 & S. 4898 Wednesday, November 16 2022 - 02:30 PM Location: Dirksen Room Number: 628 AGENDA: S. 4870, Tule River Tribe Reserved Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 S. 4896, Pueblos of Jemez and Zia Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 S. 4898, Pueblos of Acoma and Laguna Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 WITNESS LIST: The Honorable Bryan Newland Assistant Secretary, Indian Affairs U.S. Department of the Interior Washington, D.C. The Honorable Neil Peyron Chairman Tule River Tribe Porterville, California The Honorable Raymond Loretto, DVM Governor Pueblo of Jemez Jemez Pueblo, New Mexico The Honorable Gabriel Galvan Governor Pueblo of Zia Zia Pueblo, New Mexico The Honorable Randall Vicente Governor Pueblo of Acoma Acoma, New Mexico The Honorable Martin Kowemy, Jr. Governor Pueblo of Laguna Laguna, New Mexico Committee Notice: https://www.indian.senate.gov/hearing/business-meeting-consider-s-3168-s-3308-s4104-and-legislative-hearing-receive-testimony-s

Senate Committee on Indian Affairs Legislative Hearing to receive testimony on S. 4870, S. 4896 & S. 4898 Wednesday, November 16 2022 - 02:30 PM Location: Dirksen Room Number: 628 AGENDA: S. 4870, Tule River Tribe Reserved Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 S. 4896, Pueblos of Jemez and Zia Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 S. 4898, Pueblos of Acoma and Laguna Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 WITNESS LIST: The Honorable Bryan Newland Assistant Secretary, Indian Affairs U.S. Department of the Interior Washington, D.C. The Honorable Neil Peyron Chairman Tule River Tribe Porterville, California The Honorable Raymond Loretto, DVM Governor Pueblo of Jemez Jemez Pueblo, New Mexico The Honorable Gabriel Galvan Governor Pueblo of Zia Zia Pueblo, New Mexico The Honorable Randall Vicente Governor Pueblo of Acoma Acoma, New Mexico The Honorable Martin Kowemy, Jr. Governor Pueblo of Laguna Laguna, New Mexico Committee Notice: https://www.indian.senate.gov/hearing/business-meeting-consider-s-3168-s-3308-s4104-and-legislative-hearing-receive-testimony-s

Senate Committee on Indian Affairs Legislative Hearing to receive testimony on S. 4870, S. 4896 & S. 4898 Wednesday, November 16 2022 - 02:30 PM Location: Dirksen Room Number: 628 AGENDA: S. 4870, Tule River Tribe Reserved Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 S. 4896, Pueblos of Jemez and Zia Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 S. 4898, Pueblos of Acoma and Laguna Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 WITNESS LIST: The Honorable Bryan Newland Assistant Secretary, Indian Affairs U.S. Department of the Interior Washington, D.C. The Honorable Neil Peyron Chairman Tule River Tribe Porterville, California The Honorable Raymond Loretto, DVM Governor Pueblo of Jemez Jemez Pueblo, New Mexico The Honorable Gabriel Galvan Governor Pueblo of Zia Zia Pueblo, New Mexico The Honorable Randall Vicente Governor Pueblo of Acoma Acoma, New Mexico The Honorable Martin Kowemy, Jr. Governor Pueblo of Laguna Laguna, New Mexico Committee Notice: https://www.indian.senate.gov/hearing/business-meeting-consider-s-3168-s-3308-s4104-and-legislative-hearing-receive-testimony-s

Senate Committee on Indian Affairs Legislative Hearing to receive testimony on S. 4870, S. 4896 & S. 4898 Wednesday, November 16 2022 - 02:30 PM Location: Dirksen Room Number: 628 AGENDA: S. 4870, Tule River Tribe Reserved Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 S. 4896, Pueblos of Jemez and Zia Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 S. 4898, Pueblos of Acoma and Laguna Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 WITNESS LIST: The Honorable Bryan Newland Assistant Secretary, Indian Affairs U.S. Department of the Interior Washington, D.C. The Honorable Neil Peyron Chairman Tule River Tribe Porterville, California The Honorable Raymond Loretto, DVM Governor Pueblo of Jemez Jemez Pueblo, New Mexico The Honorable Gabriel Galvan Governor Pueblo of Zia Zia Pueblo, New Mexico The Honorable Randall Vicente Governor Pueblo of Acoma Acoma, New Mexico The Honorable Martin Kowemy, Jr. Governor Pueblo of Laguna Laguna, New Mexico Committee Notice: https://www.indian.senate.gov/hearing/business-meeting-consider-s-3168-s-3308-s4104-and-legislative-hearing-receive-testimony-s

Senate Committee on Indian Affairs Legislative Hearing to receive testimony on S. 4870, S. 4896 & S. 4898 Wednesday, November 16 2022 - 02:30 PM Location: Dirksen Room Number: 628 AGENDA: S. 4870, Tule River Tribe Reserved Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 S. 4896, Pueblos of Jemez and Zia Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 S. 4898, Pueblos of Acoma and Laguna Water Rights Settlement Act of 2022 WITNESS LIST: The Honorable Bryan Newland Assistant Secretary, Indian Affairs U.S. Department of the Interior Washington, D.C. The Honorable Neil Peyron Chairman Tule River Tribe Porterville, California The Honorable Raymond Loretto, DVM Governor Pueblo of Jemez Jemez Pueblo, New Mexico The Honorable Gabriel Galvan Governor Pueblo of Zia Zia Pueblo, New Mexico The Honorable Randall Vicente Governor Pueblo of Acoma Acoma, New Mexico The Honorable Martin Kowemy, Jr. Governor Pueblo of Laguna Laguna, New Mexico Committee Notice: https://www.indian.senate.gov/hearing/business-meeting-consider-s-3168-s-3308-s4104-and-legislative-hearing-receive-testimony-s

In this episode, Larry and Vince discuss going back up to the Jemez Mountains after a long hiatus, so grab your favorite beverage, sit back, and have a listen.

The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals hears arguments in Pueblo of Jemez v. United States, No. 20-2145, on May 20, 2022. Photo of Valles Caldera National Preserve by Larry Lamsa: https://www.flickr.com/photos/larry1732/14478534998/

This week, we turn our focus to our first guest, which none of the listeners guessed correctly. We sit down with local runner, Ben Bridgeman and learn about his running journey as well as his experience with the Jemez Mountain 50 Mile race. Andrew and Dylan as well as a handful of DDR runners will be racing it later this month.Stay tuned for more merchandise coming soon and be sure to check out our Facebook Page, Happy Endings Trail Crew  and follow us on Instragram at happyendingstrailcrew.Thank you for listening!

Welcome to our special 2022 Earth Day Episode! We're chatting with Moonstar, from Walatowa-Pueblo of Jemez. Moonstar is a community organizer, activist, fashion model, and teacher who works with Indigenous youth to help them organize environmental projects.  We talk about how to deal with climate anxiety, her's grandfather's Eagle feather,  what we can do to help heal our planet, and UNITY's mid year conference where she lead a workshop in organizing environmental projects.   Hope you enjoy it!  

Summary: The libertarian philosophy based upon self-ownership and the non-aggression principle leads one to political positions like legalizing prostitution, gambling, and other victimless crimes. This begs the question: can one be a devout Christian and a libertarian at the same time? Doug Stuart and Kerry Baldwin of the Libertarian Christian Institute join Tom to discuss their new book on the subject, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1733658440/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1733658440&linkCode=as2&tag=tomusbl-20&linkId=c2dbd9cf50104cb8841402c3f669b06c (Faith Seeking Freedom: Libertarian Christian Answers to Tough Questions). Guest Bio: The Libertarian Christian Institute is a federal 501(c)(3) tax-exempt educational and religious nonprofit organization that promotes libertarianism from a Christian point of view. We are convinced that libertarianism is the most consistent expression of Christian political thought. LCI is ecumenical in nature, welcoming all those who confess the traditional creeds of the universal church. Doug Stuart: Doug Stuart is CEO of the Libertarian Christian Institute. He holds an MDiv from Missio Seminary, and his writing and speaking focus on challenging the status quo. Doug became a full-fledged libertarian because Christians can defend liberty as a necessary aspect of loving others and defending the rights of the oppressed. Doug currently lives with his wife and three children in Lancaster, PA, where he freelances as a graphic designer and video producer. He has served as a deacon at an evangelical church, where he has also taught classes on film and culture, evangelism, faith and economics, and non-violence. Kerry Baldwin: Kerry Baldwin is an independent researcher and writer with a B.A. in Philosophy from Arizona State University. Her website is MereLiberty.com and she focuses on libertarian philosophy and reformed theology. She challenges readers to rethink prevailing paradigms in politics, theology, and culture. She is a confessionally Reformed Christian orthodox Presbyterian in the tradition of J. Gresham Machen (1881–1937), an outspoken libertarian and defender of Christian orthodoxy. Kerry holds libertarian anarchism to be properly grounded in Reformed Christian convictions, and finds an alternative to patriarchialism, feminism, egalitarianism, and complementarianism in a Reformed perspective. Kerry is a single, homeschooling mother of three. She enjoys outdoor activities in the Jemez mountains near her home, and stereotypically introverted hobbies such as puzzles and brain teasers. Guest Links: https://libertarianchristians.com/ (https://libertarianchristians.com/) Additional Reading: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1733658440/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1733658440&linkCode=as2&tag=tomusbl-20&linkId=c2dbd9cf50104cb8841402c3f669b06c (Faith Seeking Freedom: Libertarian Christian Answers to Tough Questions) https://libertarianchristians.com/store/faith-seeking-freedom-audiobook/ (Faith Seeking Freedom Audiobook (50% off)) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1737924501/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1737924501&linkCode=as2&tag=tomusbl-20&linkId=351342f65f17da11602c099bcdd4ba4e (An Anti-State Christmas) Free Gift from Tom: Download a free copy of Tom's new e-book, It's the Fed, Stupid, at https://forms.aweber.com/form/87/2092395087.html (itsthefedstupid.com). It's also available in paperback https://amzn.to/3HTYSYh (here). It's priced at a pre-hyperinflation level so grab a few copies for friends if you can. It makes a great introduction to the government's most economically damaging institution for liberals, conservatives, libertarians, socialists, and independents alike. Like the music on Tom Mullen Talks Freedom? You can hear more at https://skepticsongs.com/ (tommullensings.com)!

In this episode, Jim Garrity explains how depositions by written questions work, and when to use them. Many lawyers have never deposed a witness this way. Garrity argues that this tool has value, and that you should experiment with them to gain both a working understanding of this option and to further expand your deposition skill set. There's a bonus PDF with this episode as well, available free upon request, as explained in the audio. And as always, the show notes contain full case citations to every case mentioned and more. Thanks for listening!SHOW NOTESPueblo of Jemez v. United States of America, et al., 2017 WL 6512230, No. CV-12-800 RB/JHR (D. N. M. Dec. 19, 2017) (outlining procedure for depositions by written questions, and ordering that no lawyers would be permitted to attend)Pace v. Lewis, 2021 WL 1377923, Case No. 19-22928-CV (S.D. Fla. Apr. 12, 2021) (also outlining, in footnote 4, the procedure for depositions by written questions)Baker v. Immanual Medical Center, 2007 WL 1797642, No. 8:06 – CV – 655 (D. Nebraska June 19, 2007) (in footnote 3, noting that depositions by written questions are not bound by the same provision of rule 33 that limits the number of interrogatories)Owens v. Degazio, 2019 WL 4929812, No. 2:16- CV-2750-JAMA K – JMP (rule addressing depositions by written questions does not limit the number of deposition questions that may be asked)Downing v. Pacific Gas & Electric Company, et al., 2017 WL 11630759, Case No. EDCV 17-1047-DMG-KK (C. D. Calif. Oct. 27, 2017) (rejecting plaintiffs demand that defendant be forced to take her deposition by written questions)Great American Assurance Company, et. al. v. Ride Solution, Inc., 2019 WL 13023801, No. 3:16-cv-372-J-32JBT (M. D. Florida June 7, 2019) (rejecting demand that newly-added defendant seeking to depose a previously-deposed witness and corporate representative be forced to conduct the depositions by written questions)Fed. R. Civ. P. 31 (depositions by written questions)Bonus PDF containing select filings from Pueblo of Jemez v. United States of America (available on request as explained in the episode)

In this episode, Larry and Vince travel once again to the Jemez in search of the Big Guy with an uneventful visit due to hunting season and gunfire erupting all around us, so grab your favorite beverage, sit back, and have a listen.

Danielle Yepa Gunderson is a Citizen of the Chickasaw Nation in Oklahoma and from Jemez and Laguna pueblo in New Mexico. A proud wife of twenty-one years and a mother of two beautiful & intelligent teenage daughters. She is the Associate Director of College Counseling and Director of Native American Studies at Sandia Preparatory School (Sandia Prep) in Albuquerque, New Mexico. She earned her Bachelor of Arts in Psychology degree at Fort Lewis College in Durango, Colorado, and Master of Arts in Counseling at The University of New Mexico in Albuquerque. She is working on her Doctoral degree at The University of New Mexico in the Native American Education in Leadership (NALE) Cohort. She serves as the Primary Contact Coordinator/Local Chair on the Rocky Mountain Association of College Admissions (RMACAC) New Mexico College Fair at Albuquerque Committee, served as the Secretary on the RMACAC Executive Board and on a College Advisory Board for a highly selective university, along with volunteering for College Horizons Summer Program as a faculty member for the past ten years. She oversees the Native American Studies program, is a faculty sponsor of the Native American Sandia Prep Alliance (NASPA) at Sandia Prep. She also serves as one of the co-leaders for the Native Indigenous Peoples Special Interest Group through NACAC and is the RMACAC Tribal Institution Relations Chair. Danielle holds a strong commitment to working and bridging tribal communities and students with post-secondary opportunities through college counseling and volunteer opportunities. Supporting efforts to serve Native American and Indigenous peoples in secondary and postsecondary institutions is her focus. She speaks from personal experience on identifying and taking ownership of her Native American heritage has become a significant component of who she is as an individual and professional. She led pre-conference and conference sessions with a panel of Native American and Non-Native professionals on how best to support Native American students, led a session about Indigenous land acknowledgement at a national conference, and participated in other sessions as a panelist. Her passion lies in guiding students and parents through the college admission process and educating others on effectively supporting diverse, Native American, and Indigenous students. Resources that Danielle shared: Decolonizing Methodologies Research and Indigenous Peoples - Linda Tuhiwai Smith Beyond the Asterisk: Understanding Native Students in Higher Education - Heather J. Shotton, Shelly C. Lowe, and Stephanie J. Waterman Standing Together: American Indian Education as Culturally Responsive Pedagogy - B.J. Klug Reclaiming Indigenous Research in Higher Education - Robin Starr Minthorn & Heather J. Shotton Beyond Access: Indigenizing Programs for Native American Student Services - Stephanie J. Waterman, Shelly C. Lowe, and Heather J. Shotton

In this episode, Larry and Vince head back to the Jemez Mountains, and our discussion is Sasquatch, so grab your favorite beverage, sit back, and have a listen.

Bader Elkhatib is a Vice President at CentreCourt. Prior to joining CentreCourt, Bader worked as an Investment Associate for Tricon Capital Group, a Real Estate Private Equity firm, and prior to that he worked as an Analyst in Investment Banking at CIBC Capital Markets. In this episode we talked about: Bader`s background Bader`s first Real Estate deal The Transition from Tricorn Capital Group to CentreCourt Bader's Investment Philosophy Land Assembly Real Estate Development Replacement of Rental Housing 2021-2022 Real Estate Prospectives and Opportunities Mentorship, Resources and Lessons Learned Transcriptions: Jesse (0s): Welcome to the working capital real estate podcast. My name is Jesper galley. And on this show, we discuss all things real estate with investors and experts in a variety of industries that impact real estate. Whether you're looking at your first investment or raising your first fund, join me and let's build that portfolio one square foot at a time. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to working capital my name's Jesse for galleon today, I have better Elica deed. He is vice president at center court. Prior to joining center court batter worked as an investment associate for Tricon capital group, a real estate, private equity firm.    And prior to that, he worked as an analyst and investment banking at CIVC capital markets. And today we're talking all things, acquisition, all things development better. How's it going?    Bader (47s): No complaints. It's a 38 degrees outside and then my basement is good.    Jesse (52s): Yeah, I was going to say, I just, I totally forgot today. We have Italy versus Spain. Hopefully by the time I'm listening to this, we have one and have advanced to the finals, but yeah, it's, it is quite hot in, in Toronto. Right now. It is close to 40 or feels like 40.    Bader (1m 9s): Well, I'm sorry to keep you on the, on the line in that. How have you known him? He was playing Spain. I think we would have moved the call.    Jesse (1m 15s): No sweat. I'm one eye is looking to the, to the screen here, but no, thank you so much for coming on. Really appreciate you taking the time. I thought listeners would get a lot out of somebody from your background in real estate. And talk a little bit about development, how, you know, center court, underwrites assets, and just kind of your general path in, in the real estate industry. So on that note, maybe where we could start is a little bit about your background.    I mentioned Tricon CIVC for listeners. Give a little bit of a background and how you got into this, this world of real estate.    Bader (1m 54s): Yeah, so it's, I mean, pretty interesting story. I guess I, my graduated, I thought I was going to be in the tech space. I thought that was going to be, you know, where I'd find my path. And to that end, I, I kicked off my career in tech investment banking. So I was covering, you know, Roger's tell us a bunch of data centers, a lot of small tech companies back when it wasn't really sexy in two thousand ten thousand eleven. And it was, it was a great time. I did a ton of really interesting work, but the one deal that kind of really got me excited was the data center deal.    And I, I kind of saw that as an intersection between kind of real estate and technology, it was tangible, it made, it made real money at the time. So you could follow the cash flow that really kinda stuck out to me as a potential angle. But the more I kind of dug into what I was really interested in, it was really on the resi side. So I said to myself, well, look, people are making careers out of real estate. You can work in real estate finance. There's so many different ways to look at it. And, and through, through that, got introduced to tri Kahn.    Who's a real estate, private equity firm focused exclusively on residential real estate at the time, primarily in the U S. And I said, well, I would love to learn what the more with the us. I felt like I was just in Toronto at the time, and I kinda wanted to expand my horizons. It was residential, it was Toronto based a really young entrepreneurial team, a good track record. And I found a home there and I w I was there for, you know, just over four years, did a lot of really exciting work. But one of the pieces that I wasn't getting was the development piece.    Like, you know, we would invest in development projects and we would, you know, see a lot of the work, but as a Canadian based investor with porches in the U S it's very difficult to have that boots on the ground experience. So I decided I need to kind of learn the trade if you will. And I started embarking on a journey to find the, the right development group here locally to really take me in and take a bet on me. Cause I had different development experience and I found a home at center court. So I've been within our court now for four years.    And today I lead our land acquisition program. So, you know, really looking at every deal that comes through the door and seeing fits without and within our box. And that's how I spent the vast majority of time.    Jesse (4m 14s): Right on. And before we kind of moved to center court, I'm curious the, the type of deals you mentioned, residential, but the type of deals you're doing at Tricon, maybe you could talk a little bit about that, where they kind of vanilla where they, you know, a little bit more complex. How, how did that, how did that go    Bader (4m 32s): Very complex? You know, I remember the very first deal I did. I, I, my, my biggest tri con was a land development deal. So people think high is complicated, but this was like a, you know, a few hundred acre site in North Carolina. Yeah. So a brand new market, a time for, Tricon definitely a brand new market for me, you're talking about buying like a wood. What is law area putting in, you know, road sanitary, sewer, water, building like a highway off ramp and then selling, you know, blue top loss, the builders, or going vertical yourself.    So, you know, just the sheer size scope, like it's like a 10, 15 year deal, the market risk associated with that. Like, it was just a very complicated process. That was a lot of the work that I did there. The other bucket of work was, you know, probably a bit easier to wrap your head around. It was manufactured housing, it's the land lease communities. So we, we had a portfolio of manufactured housing communities primarily in Arizona, in California. So that was a bit easier to kind of, again, execute on wrap your head around cash, flowing assets, you know, easy value, add programs that are executable while we're on the risk curve.    For sure. And so that's how I spent most of my time. Certainly not plain vanilla. I wish I saw a couple of plain vanilla deals when I was there, but just tremendous learning opportunity on very complicated things.    Jesse (6m 5s): Yeah. That's, we've had people on the show for a manufactured housing and it's definitely has its intricacies, you know, when it comes to whether it's it's owned, whether it's land lease. So it sounds like it was predominantly Landlease that you were dealing with there.    Bader (6m 20s): Yeah. So I try Collin. One of the things that we did, and this was super exciting, you know, we ended up really basically taking $50 million of balance sheet capital in the first instance and, and using that to feed a manufactured housing portfolio, we, we found the right GP partner based out of Chicago to kind of lead those efforts on the ground. And what we were doing was we were buying, you know, call it one-off assets in the, you know, three to three and a half star category, good bones, or just really needed some, some significant TLC.    And we would effectively go in and do the value add program, rebase that try to effectively bring it from like an 85, you know, 88% occupancy up to that 95, 97, 90 8%, and really repositioned the entire park. That was the whole business plan. But if you can imagine, like effectively involves us flying down to, you know, Arizona jumping in like an SUV and you're cruising down, you know, like various parts, like I'm not talking Scottsdale fucking like Glendale and, and other areas.    And once we're parks, friended meet owners, like it's that traditional door knocking and trying to find opportunities. And if that's the way we built a portfolio of 14 assets where we own all the land, the tenants actually own the channel is what we call it, which is the house. They lease the land from you, it's all triple mess. And basically what you're trying to do is optimize right by building a portfolio, you know, spread the management costs, do the value, add program five and cap rate compression, grow the NOI, and then sell it off to another institutional, you know, owner who may not want to do that heavy lifting.    And, and we did that. We actually ended up selling it to Blackstone.    Jesse (7m 58s): Yeah, very cool. So pretty much a turnkey getting it to the point of turnkey and models, basically model, suite it for them and hand it over. And you said it was sold to Blackstone. Yes. Right on. And they, they had a fairly large play into single family. You know, everybody was trying to figure out how do you scale single family? And I think it was something like 38,000 or 40,000 units at the time. And I think they, I think they IPO the company or the company that they created. I totally forget the name. But do you recall?    Bader (8m 28s): I think the American, I think as American homes for rent, if I remember correctly, I think that was it there's. Yeah. Let's the single family rental, like Tricom was super active in that when I joined, it was like a big bet that was may coming out of the, the 2010 recession. And that business has continued to grow. I remember at the time there's a bunch of people who just couldn't figure it out. They couldn't understand how you could manage so properties, but you know, here we are 10 years later and it's a, I'll call it an institutional asset class with, you know, real, you know, pension players looking to grow the portfolio.    And, you know, we recently heard about a company here in Canada, who's going to try and do something similar. So it's super exciting. I like the whole time I tried it on was very innovative. I didn't work on single family rental, but just being around the folks who were working on it, you know, you just, don't, you, you start to appreciate the thesis and yeah. There's risks to it, but yeah, there's always risks.    Jesse (9m 32s): Yeah. Very cool. I think the one I was talking to the invitation homes, which I believe I, yeah, I believe IPO. Okay. Very cool. So you go from, from Tricon down to, or over to a center court, what's that transition like and what do you start working on once you, once you make that transition?    Bader (9m 50s): Yes. You know what? It was a, I think it's a big bet on my part, right. At the time, like I had a, I had a great thing going on for me, a Tricon, but I was really inspired by the founders of center court. You know, like working with guys like Andrew Hoffman, Jemez, Veronica, Steven, Bellevue, like everybody just has tremendous respect for them. I had tremendous respect to them and, you know, Centrepoint was still maybe five or six years old at a time and just had a great track record despite, you know, a relatively short tenure. So I knew they were on the right track.    And candidly, when I first met with Hermes to, you know, just pick his brain, we, we had a mutual connection and I said to him, Hey, this is what I'm looking for. I'm looking for developer that has these types of characteristics and you know, where do you think I should go? Like, who do you think I should talk to you, but you can't just stay away from, you know, like just kinda give me some guidance because all my work was in the U S and you know, after a few meetings, he just said, I, you know, I, I meet Andrew.    And at the time Ford was not hiring, you know, they had, they had a solid team, they were growing, but they weren't really looking for someone, but he said, Hey, like, you're a great talent. You have the right outlook on, on the world. And it aligns well with the way we see things. So if you're, if you're willing to make a bet on us effectively, when we can bet on you, so we're going to join, you won't really have a, you know, fully based roles. So I kind of did a bunch of everything when I first joined.    And then, you know, as the business grew, I grew, but the very first thing I did was a sales and marketing on our venting west project, which is a building over in Liberty village. So I took a deep dive into, you know, designing suites and coming up with the name and figuring out how to market it to brokers and, you know, our investor buyers. And that was the very first thing I did. And from there things quickly evolved and started doing more acquisition work, which is kind of more of my comfort zone.    And we ended up raising a, a, a large $250 million dedicated fund. So we have permanent capital and more of a call it a, a direct mandate to put that capital in play. And, and, and through that, and some heavy lifting, I eventually transitioned over to acquisitions.    Jesse (12m 14s): Very cool. So the, the fund itself, it was that, was that something that they, they created as a committed capital fund? Was it something that they created in a private REIT structure? What were the mechanics of that?    Bader (12m 27s): Yeah, it was, it was committed capital fund. So prior to that, you know, we were raising capital from ultra high net worth families on an as needed basis. When we had an opportunity that we felt was worthwhile, we'd bring it to our investors. And we had a very small group of very loyal investors. And, you know, what we saw in the marketplace was w w was really two or three different dynamics. One was, you'll just getting done a whole lot faster than ever before. Right. So that multitasking of doing your diligence, raising your capital, I mean, we were doing it, but it put a lot of pressure on the team.    We also had a great track record. So we thought, how can we leverage that track record into something more? So I think really, I know we just saw a lot of opportunity in the marketplace. So it was really those three things that sets ourselves. Let's just raise a committed fund where we know we have the money in the bank. We know we have this mandate and we know there's opportunities out there. It's just gonna help us execute better, you know, enhance the machine if you will. And it, it certainly did. So right now, you know, it's been three years, we're about halfway through that fun.    And, you know, we're, I'm super happy to report that things have worked out, you know, kind of exactly as, as we anticipated. I'm not exactly, but, you know, in the larger scheme of things, pretty, pretty close.    Jesse (13m 48s): So with that mandate, what type of, what type of latitude or what type of range of investments were part of the investment philosophy when, you know, you have investors initially coming in and saying, you know, these are the returns we're looking for. These are the asset classes that we're looking at. What did that look like?    Bader (14m 6s): Yeah, no, it's a good question. So, you know, for us, we try to be very, I think we try to have a narrow focus. So we're only doing high rise, residential condo for sale, right? So we don't have a mandate to do, you know, commercial or retail or industrial it's, it's, it's, it's one asset class in terms of market. You know, we, our bread and butter is the downtown core, but we had the latitude to go out to the greater Toronto area. So for, you know, for us, that's really the outer 4, 1 6 and 9 0 5.    That's what I would consider it to be kind of our, our playground right now. And in terms of, I guess, you know, scale and deal structure, really for us, it's 280,000 square feet or more of GSA. So we're looking for, you know, higher density stuff. It doesn't need to be a vertical tower. It can be, you know, a mid rise, but certainly high density. And last but not least, we have a lot of latitude in terms of what we can buy. So I can go out and buy a, you know, a Plaza. If I think that's positive can be converted into a high rise development.    We could buy a whole piece of a, of an assembly site, right. And assembled over time, the rest of the remaining properties, we can buy a fully zone site and just, you know, put a right to range of production. So, you know, we look at a lot of different opportunities in, in varying stages of, of the on-call there development life cycle,    Jesse (15m 30s): Right on. So, so that's kind of where I was going with that, where you would, you know, potentially you're buying something that is a different asset class today with the intention to take it to high rise, residential condo sale. Maybe you could talk a little bit. We, we, you know, on the, on the show, we've had people on that have been condo centric or had that similar type of mandate with their investors, but not so much a discussion of land assembly and how investors look at land assembly, because I can tell you from the point of view of the brokerage side, even on the investor side, you know, land assembly, it's definitely an art.    And for someone like myself, that doesn't see a lot of it aside from having investors in brokerage, say, I want this, I want this. It almost looks pretty random until you see something actually come together. So how do you approach that? Maybe, maybe you could dive into that a little bit.    Bader (16m 25s): Yeah, look, it, it's not easy. It can definitely look random. I think what I always tell people who are trying to pursue land assemblies. Like if you think of like the, the area, like call it, like the spectrum of risk w land assemblies highest, highest risk, right? Like you're, you're taking a bet on a piece of dirt that you need to buy your neighbors out at a basis. That's going to make sense. So you gotta think things through rezoning, like if it's the longest life cycle and most complicated piece of the, of the puzzle, but there's a approach.    I always say, I talked to a lot of young call it young brokers or, or, you know, peers. It's like, you know, like, what's the best way of doing this. And, you know, we often trade notes and then I'm one thing I can say is know where to look. Right. And it sounds easy when I say that to you, but the reality is do your homework, right? Like don't just start looking at, you know, four corners of being, well, there's a tower over there. That's the site next to, it must be a tower site, but it's far more complicated than that. I, I often find people just make that assumption.    You really have to understand. So if you're working in Toronto, the city Toronto official plan, the secondary plan, the site specific policies, the tall building guidelines, or mid-rise building guidelines, you know, you're really have to be plugged in to what, you know, the, the planning policy says is achievable. I think that is step one is to have that deep kind of Intel. And then step two is to kind of like, you know, you're kind of layering these things on top of each other to figure out, okay, I'm going to put them through this filter.    Where can I, like, what areas am I allowed to develop in? And then you'd have to go through it and say, well, okay, this area is clearly development sites, but I have to buy 16 peaks, like jumped people out. Is that something I'm going to spend my time and energy doing? It might be if you have the patients and the capital and the very long-term orientation, but realistically, I think most people will shy away from that. So then you're trying to find the sites that have, you know, call it two or three different land parcels. And then you're trying to make sure, well, has somebody already planted a flag there, right?    Like if another developer's already on the block, well, I'm just not gonna get into, you know, a back and forth about who's who's decided is and buying them out potentially. So you might want to find a block where there isn't someone already kind of taking claim, or we're doing that heavy lifting. And then it's about trying to figure what is the landlord then? And oftentimes this is the part you get tripped up, tripped up on because you can find the site. It makes sense. You know, you can get, you know, 200,000 square feet of density.    It all makes sense. But then you have a landowner who has, you know, very healthy expectations. And then you're like, okay, well, is it worth the ongoing negotiation? Do I approach somebody else on the block? And then you got to figure out the art versus the science. So it's, it can be very complicated, but, you know, knowing where to look, be persistent and be transparent. Like, I, I get a lot of guys who and girls who always say, well, you know, I'm going in. They don't know I'm a developer.    Like these yields are just too complicated, just be Frank. Like if you're in to develop, just say, I'm a developer because your diligence and your risk is so different than potentially somebody just buying it for commercial use that you have to make the vendor aware of that. So you can actually successfully closing the transaction and, and, and cover your downside. I always say, cover your downside. So that transparency is pretty, pretty critical. If you're gonna ask why, why do you want to put a bunch of holes in my, in my back, you know, lot, if, if you're buying this for just, you know, retail, you, so eventually the cat comes out of the bag.    I mean,    Jesse (20m 10s): Is that my guess, is that as a result of, you know, the expectation that an owner is going to be like, we want a development bonus as part of this deal, or we want, you know, some premium. And I feel like at the end of the day, it's going to be really hard to go in and not just say like this, this is what we're doing. We're developing.    Bader (20m 28s): Yeah. It's like, you know what? I, I won't discount that. I think, you know, once in a blue moon you'll find a site for young native development value. You're not paying for development value. You're not paying the full amount, but in a city like Toronto, I, unfortunately my belief is like, it's opposite. The people who have zero development value believes had development value. So it's the, you know, like the, the starting point is my woman, my retail, you know, building is worth, you know, $200 a square foot of a GSA on zone, even though like it's never going to be a development site.    That's kind of the, you know, the, the challenge is like, I actually find, I hear this from my, my friends kind of on the retail side. They say, everybody just thinks of developments. I can't even, you know, I haven't managed to go out and buy a 3000 square foot commercial building for one of my private investors. And I can't get one because everybody I talked to, you know, wants to sell it at like a two town development site. Yeah.    Jesse (21m 27s): And it's just like one of those things where it's like, well, if it's not a development site, it's not for sale. And we'll, we'll just hang on in from your experience when you are looking at these development sites. I mean, I feel like a big part of what you're talking about is, is the reason that the risk mitigation is in place income, where you can find something that might be a longer term play. Number one, is, is that how you look at it? And the second question, I'm curious if you make a distinction between properties that are, you know, have decent buildings on them, but it's really not highest and best use versus properties that are pretty much, you know, close as close as you can get in Toronto to dirt.    Bader (22m 6s): You know what, I don't really make that distinction all too often. I think what, what comes into play is existing use, for sure. Like I have no problem tearing down a four story building versus a two story building it's really w what's Lee's use and, and there's implications to it, right? So if you have an office building that has more than 10,000 square feet in certain areas of the city, I have to replace one for one that call it loss office space in my future development. So that has an implication on your land value. So I look at it from that lens, you know, certainly like, you know, whether or not it's a scale of the building.    Yes. It will have some implication to, you know, the demo costs or, or potentially other factors of the process. But oftentimes I'm, I'm more concerned about what is the existing use. If it's, if it's residential, it becomes very problematic. That's the, like, that's the hard part, because now you're negotiating with a bunch of different tenants to try to get them out. And then you have to replace the existing space in your new building. And the, the process of the city is just far more complicated.    You, you know, when you have to offer the opportunity to get residents to come back in the future, if now I have a rental component potentially in a condo building, so it's just a different use. There's a lot more complications. And, and that space just to put in perspective is a work, you know, call it 40 cents on the dollar of what a typical condo would sell for in the building. So it's quite diluted, which is candidly, why you often see, you know, some medium-sized rental buildings not being redeveloped, even though there's great context for it.    It's just very, it's very difficult if the numbers work.    Jesse (23m 50s): So on that point for those that you might not be aware of, like we have, we have listeners south of the 49th parallel north. I tried to tell people, you know, what we deal with specifically in, in Ontario in terms of landlord, tenant, board stuff, just residential regulations, when it comes to actually, you know, taking down a, say, mid or low rise apartment building, what are the, you know, w w what do you have to replace there in terms of replacement of rental units?    And maybe you could go into a little bit more detail on, on that.    Bader (24m 27s): Yeah, absolutely. So, and this is very call it city of Toronto specific. So every municipality will have their own rule that you have to be considerate of, but, okay. So    Jesse (24m 40s): In terms of, maybe you could talk a little bit more about that, the residential replacement. So for those that don't know, you know, Toronto, Toronto is pretty, pretty tenant friendly environment from a regulatory standpoint. What exactly, when you look at a, an apartment building that you need to tear down in order to build, what is that, what are the implications of that and what technically do you need to do as a developer?    Bader (25m 5s): Yeah, so it's, it's quite complicated. So the very first thing he had to keep in mind is, you know, every municipality has slightly different rules. So what might be like, I'm going to talk about Toronto because that's where most of our businesses, but Mississauga might have something slightly different bond will have something different. So I'm always read up and don't take what I'm saying right now at face value. But in Toronto specific specifically, I should say, we'll always look and see how many residential units there are. So the rule is that there's six or more residential units.    You have to replace them one for one in your future development. So both by unit type unit saw and unit size. So we all tend to know that, you know, older units typically have a larger three averages. You know, you're seeing these like two beds that are 1200 square feet. So you have to be very cognizant of the area and the unit type, and then the rent that are being charged, because once you actually go through the redevelopment process, what you'll have is no rental replacement units.    So let's say you have 60 units in your building. You'll actually have 50 units in the building, the same size and similar layouts at your development. Upon completion, you have to offer the tenants who were, you know, effectively relocated during the construction periods, operating to move back into the building. And the rents that are charged at that time are the same rents that were charged prior to the construction taking place. So, as you can imagine, you're in this condominium building, let's say the, you know, the average one bedroom rents are $1,800 a unit for a, you know, 500 and ish square foot unit.    Now you might have a one bedroom in the rental replacement portion of the building, which is going to be 800 square feet and renting out for now $1,300. So, you know, it's very, you know, call it value destructive, which is why you often see some buildings do have rental replacement. We've done several developments where, you know, we've, we've had to include some call it affordable housing or rental, but there's, you know, call it a tipping point.    If you have a building, like let's say, you know, a building where 25 to 30% of the building is going to be rental replacement. The economics of that deal tend to skew in a, in a way that don't make it really feasible. And, you know, it's one of those things where you're often looking at opportunities and you're thinking to yourself, well, there's a, a four story building here. Why doesn't this get redeveloped into a, you know, a 35 story tower, and oftentimes with the value that is lost, or the implications of that rental replacement in the future development don't really add up.    It becomes an N call it a deal doesn't really pencil out with very uneconomical. So I'm sure that will change over time, right there. Like it's always worth revisiting the math, but I was in the city for the last several years. The math hasn't really penciled out where you could replace a large quantum of units. And in    Jesse (28m 18s): Terms of the, I mean, Toronto specifically in terms of the actual replacement geography, you know, whether it's site or you can cause we've seen clients where they have gotten away with being able to replace it on a different site. Is that something that you see and is that kind of where you see potentially rental replacement going?    Bader (28m 37s): Yeah. You know what it's, that is a very unique way of addressing the challenge, right. I would say oftentimes when I've seen it done, you know, quote unquote offsite really has to be a, maybe one of two ways. They, you have to be a really significant gift. So let's say for instance, you know, you you're replacing six units, but instead of replacing them six units onsite, you're willing to do 10 units offsite in a standalone building or something, you know, I could, I I've seen that happen.    And, you know, it's, it, it, it certainly exists. It's just a different challenge right now, as a developer, I have to find this other replacement site to put these 10 units in, and that's a whole nother work stream and challenge on its own, but certainly doable. The other one I've seen where it's significant. So, you know, let's say you're demolishing 50 townhomes that are all rental. Well, you might actually need a very large site. I've seen, you know, someone build a, a six or eight story, you know, rental replacement building, where it's just a building where, you know, all those units are consolidated into, you know, a mid-rise built form, which, you know, might make sense depending on the project.    So I certainly seen unique angles to solving the problem, but it's not without challenge because now oftentimes what you'll see in those agreements is those units have to be, have to be delivered first. So you're front ending calls with that cash flow or your front ending, like your time and energy to solve that problem right off the bat. So certainly not impossible. There's a lot of different ways to like, again, approach the challenge, but it's, it's complicated.    Don't underestimate that, you know, I find a lot of people just typically say, okay, I'll figure it out. This is one you might want to sign that.    Jesse (30m 29s): Yeah, for sure. So Bever, let's talk a little bit about 20, 21 and beyond in terms of what you're, what you're looking at, where you're seeing opportunity, you know, what's next for center court, you know, from a real estate perspective. And given obviously with the, with the fact that we've gone through quite a tumultuous last 12 to 18 months, just as an industry. And I mean, as, as a world, but yeah. What are your, what are your thoughts on the outlook?    Bader (30m 59s): You know, I, I sound like a book, a broken record, cause I feel a lot of my colleagues in the community will say this, but we're very optimistic about condo and high rise development here in the city. You know, Centre court, we sold four buildings, all the downtown core or the past, you know, 15 ish months. And we launched our 55 Mercer project right before COVID in February, 2020.    We launched our 1 99 church project. You know, we're coming out of the first lockdown in, in July of 2020. We launched our eight, well, we project, you know, right. When can we have lockdown again in February of this year? And then prime are last on the heels of that. And we're gearing up for one or two more launches this year. So we're clearly, you know, big believers in the condo market here in Toronto.    We believe that two things it's still off the traunch is still the most desirable city in our, in our opinion in north America to live in, if not, it's not globally, we just have so much going for us. There's clearly a housing shortage. There's a, you know, a problem with affordability in this city and condominiums tend to be on the more affordable end of the range relative to, you know, the town, their single family home.    So, and then just, you know, more scientifically the spread between a condo a, in a home has never been wider right now. So in terms of price point, which tells us that there's, you know, upward momentum and pricing for condominiums and, and, and certainly demands. So all in all, you know, we're, we're very, as a competence and an optimistic about the future. And to that end, you know, we have, we're launching new projects and we're acquiring more sites. You know, we're constantly looking sites.    We haven't stopped. You know, there was a bit of a brief pause, I would say, obviously in new call it March, April, may of 2020, when, and we just, we had no idea what was going to happen here locally or in the world, but the market has found its footing. And since that time, we've, we've been very confident and, and continue to kind of operations. As I wouldn't say I was normal, but you know, operations as close to normal as one would expect, given the backdrop of COVID.    Jesse (33m 33s): And with that as the backdrop, in terms of capital markets, do you see this, you know, environment continuing over the next few years? I mean, we've, I mean, I don't know how many times I've said historically low over the last 10 years, but we've, we're in an environment where they're very different to oh 7 0 8 where there was an issue, but there was also a credit issue. There's a recession in conjunction with lack of credit. Whereas right now we're, you know, we're in a very similar type of macro economic state, except that there seems to be the opposite.    There's a glut of credit.    Bader (34m 9s): Yeah. I think the biggest thing that differentiates, you know, call it COVID from the recession. And I think you'll forget what the, you know, the, the great recession, but mostly because of Canada, you can look them up a bit on escaped, but you know, if you take a step back, there is just never the quantitative stimulant, right? Like, yes, the credit of the available is one thing, but the wage support subsidies the effectively, the banks just stepping up and working with business owners and, and, and operators, right.    To make sure that they don't repossess your, her, your business or your site or your home or whatever, like that's unprecedented, right? So the level of cooperation and stimulus in the marketplace has never been seen before. And I think that is, you know, I think it's absolutely the right thing to do, but it's certainly giving people the confidence to continue as business as usual. That's the whole point of these programs. And then when you have that, and then in the property market, ultra low interest rates, you have consumers who I would say are pretty highly qualified.    Like there's a lot of, you know, folks who, who do have significant down payments who have good income, who are working, who don't, who have been working from home. Haven't we been spending have either paid down debt and, and a rage to deploy that capital, whether it's, you know, in residential or other markets. So there's kind of this trifecta, which is kind of Lea. And then there's just the aspirations of whether it's home ownership or putting money to work. And in real estate, which has kind of been a bit of a bright spot in, in all of this.    So you'll all these things I think have led to a very healthy, real estate market, particularly on the resi side. And, and I think, I don't think that's going to change. I think again, people get interest rates are probably going to edge up right over time and that's going to change the equation slightly, but, you know, overall, you know, it might not be as buoyant as it is today, but I still think we're going to be looking at a very healthy market, you know, whether it's the next one, two or three years, for sure.    Jesse (36m 25s): Awesome. All right. Well, we're just coming to the end here and before we, if people want to get more information on center court and reach out before we get there for questions, we ask every guest kind of a rapid fire. If you're good to go, I'll toss them at ya. All right. Something, you know, now that you wish you knew at the beginning of your career,    Bader (36m 51s): You're not going to become a, an expert in two to three years to be more patient, more like out about 10 to 15, and you're just always continue learning. So if you think, you know it all at two or three years, you don't keep your head down, work hard, read a lot, figure out who actually knows what they're talking about and listen to them. And it wasn't to people who don't know what they're talking about. And maybe take a couple of notes from that too.    Jesse (37m 15s): It's weighted average. All right. The I'm sorry. Next question. In terms of mentorship, younger people in our industry, specifically, what are number one, what's your view of men mentorship, and you know, what would you tell somebody coming into this industry?    Bader (37m 31s): Mentorship is critical. I know it can be awkward, right? How do I find a mentor? It gets, it's kind of weird, but I, you know, I have two mentors that, you know, have been my mentors now for maybe five or six years. And I don't think they know they're my mentors. I don't think it's a formal arrangement, but they're people I use as a sounding board before making major decisions are people who I listened to and, and, you know, maybe track their career path and, and, you know, have candid conversations about what has gone, right.    And what's gone wrong and you know, what I'm happy about or unhappy about. And I think if you find the right person, they can be that sounding board and, and have that north star that keeps you candidly on, on track because it's so easy to, you know, find yourself off the, off in left field. If you, if you don't have someone to talk to and share your thoughts and your ideas with so definitely don't underestimate it. And biggest thing is I know it's, again, it's very odd. It's hard to find a mentor. You're not going to find a mentor, maybe your first job or your second job.    It might take a bit of time, but you'll know when, when that person's there and, and jump on the opportunity, don't be shy    Jesse (38m 41s): Right. On what resources are you kind of reading or listening to right now that you'd recommend to the listeners?    Bader (38m 50s): You know what, so we have a newborn, so I haven't read anything I have to call in the last five months. Yeah. I don't know on that stuff. How to keep your baby alive, what I've been reading, but the one book that I would recommend is am I being too subtle? Bye bye. Sam Sao. Yeah. I don't know if you've read it Jesse, but yeah, I think it's a fantastic book. You know, it's all about importance of reputation, you know, margin of safety, having skin in the game.    It's, it's written kind of my, you know, I'm like, I call it Bible, but like everything I, I believe is in that book. And I, I recently re-read it, you know, over Christmas break and I think it's a good read and we're picking up    Jesse (39m 38s): The funny thing too, is for those of that know Sam Zell, I was actually surprised the audio book had his voice on it. So if you like that raspy voice, there's five hours of it. Awesome, man, last question. There's our layup. First car make and model    Bader (39m 56s): My first car, make and model. Oh, Volkswagen Jetta VR, six block, black leather interior smashed to the ground. I had two 12 inch subwoofers in the back. It was, it was my, honestly I regrets on the park. It was my favorite. It was, I bought it. I worked, I worked so many odd jobs to pay for that car and I kept it until I was 21.    And I sold it to the kid across the street for like a, a handshake. And I regret it. It's like my, it was my favorite car. Yeah. It    Jesse (40m 35s): Was always that in high school, the VR six two, it was always that unattainable. I'm just picturing like a hot wheels. Blacked-out tint windows. Awesome, man. That's great. Yeah, listen, I really appreciate it. I thought we could probably talk for another hour here for, for listeners for those that want more information on center court and see what you're up to. We can put some stuff in the show notes here. Just point me in the right direction.    Bader (41m 1s): Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I'll I'll shoot that over to you, Jesse. Okay.    Jesse (41m 5s): Sounds good. Well, I appreciate you coming on and yeah, we'll look forward to doing this again, maybe six months or a little bit closer to the end of the year where we can kind of check in and see how everything's going.    Bader (41m 19s): Terrific. Well, look, I appreciate it. Hopefully I haven't checked hopefully Italy one and absolutely I'll take you up on that offer. We can spend for something in for December.    Jesse (41m 30s): My guest today has been blabber from center court Bauer. Thanks for being of working capital. Thank you so much for listening to working capital the real estate podcast. I'm your host, Jesse for galley. If you liked the episode, head on to iTunes and leave us a five star review and share on social media, it really helps us out. If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me on Instagram, Jesse for galley, F R a G a L E, have a good one take care. 

Harris Klein of Trout Unlimited on how the public can help with the Jemez Clean up this summer on News Radio KKOB

Last weekend, Darcy Piceu won the 2021 Jemez Mountain 50 Mile in New Mexico, which was Darcy's fourth win of this race over the years. In this video interview, Darcy talks about her injury earlier this spring and her recovery from it, how Jemez went this time around, and her training build-up for this summer's Hardrock 100.

Last weekend, Darcy Piceu won the 2021 Jemez Mountain 50 Mile in New Mexico, which was Darcy's fourth win of this race over the years. In this video interview, Darcy talks about her injury earlier this spring and her recovery from it, how Jemez went this time around, and her training build-up for this summer's Hardrock 100.

This time on New Mexico in Focus, Sen. Ben Ray Lujan joins the program from Washington, D.C. to talk about the federal government’s plans to pay for and expand access to broadband internet service. It’s been a major challenge in New Mexico. Correspondent and Axios reporter Russ Contreras also speaks with the senator about the immigration crisis at the southern border. In March, the pueblos of Jemez and Laguna sued the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers over a 2020 rule that weakens or eliminates protections for ephemeral or intermittent waterways. The pueblos are represented by the University of New Mexico Clinical Law Program, and according to the complaint, the Trump-era rule “ignores the U.S. Government’s trust responsibilities to Indian tribes and violates the Administrative Procedure Act and intent of the Clean Water Act.” It would also make it harder for pueblos to regulate upstream polluters. Laura Paskus speaks with two key players in the suit. Segments: Sen. Ben Ray Lujan Correspondent: Russell Contreras, Axios Guest: Sen. Ben Ray Lujan, D-New Mexico NM Tribal Communities Sue Over Trump Water Rule Correspondent: Laura Paskus Guests: Clifford Villa, UNM School of Law Chris Toya, Pueblo of Jemez

In this episode, Larry-D and Vince talk about a recent trip to Jemez Mountains now that Fall is in full swing. They discuss what they came across during their visit, so grab your favorite beverage, sit back, and have a listen.

In this episode, Larry-D and Vince take a trip to the Jemez before they lock down all the forest roads for the season, and we just reflect on the experiences we've had, and what we're experiences we're hoping to have in the future, so grab your favorite cold beverage, sit back, and have a listen.

In this episode, Larry-D and Vince are once again in the Jemez Mountains recording our latest episode waiting for activity to occur. We invite you to join us as we talk about our favorite spot in the Jemez Mountains, so grab your favorite drink, sit back, and have a listen.

Kathleen Wall is a vibrant individual and well known Jemez potter who creates her figurine pots at Jemez New Mexico. She does wonderful figurines and masks, some of them being very large pieces. Kathleen explains her journey as a potter and how she got to where she is today and what it took to get there. It's a long hard road to be a potter especially when you're trying to do things that are unique and less traditional pueblo pottery, but Kathleen has triumphed. In fact, Kathleen was recently awarded the Living Treasure Award for New Mexico at MIAC (The Museum of Indian Arts and Culture) and was supposed to have a one-person show for this great honor. Unfortunately, it opened in April of 2020. Clearly, with all that's been going on with COVID-19, the show has been put off through 2021. Pandemic aside, Kathleen has mastered her art and I think anyone that enjoys raw passion and creativity will love Kathleen Wall.

I had the pleasure of interviewing the contemporary artist Marla Allison today on Art Dealer Diaries. Marla is full of energy, creativity, smart, and was a very interesting guest. We discuss growing up in New Mexico at the historic Laguna Pueblo, and what it's like being Laguna, Hopi, Jemez, and Anglo, and what those cultural elements provide to your art and perspective. Laguna is a small community and she goes from a small pueblo community to being IAIA trained and a School for Advanced Research fellow in Santa Fe, to accepting fellowships in Bahrain, and Bristol, UK, and participating in exhibitions in the United Arab Emirates and residencies in Saudi Arabia. Marla Allison has been a lot of different places and imbues this life experience into her art, with her heritage and sensibilities of historic pueblo pottery designs with a contemporary style. I enjoyed this podcast a great deal and for fans of contemporary art and historic pottery, I can assure you that you will too.

In this episode, Larry-D and Vince talk about the strange noises they heard while hanging out in the Jemez Mountains, so grab a cold drink, sit back, and have a listen.

Unlocked for the public after 1 year: -Ceramic chalice, decorated in Jemez black-on-white style, with crosses -made in pueblo of Giusewa, between 1598 and the 1630s -found in the ruins of the Spanish mission at Giusewa, 1937 A simple pottery chalice, probably made by a local indigenous woman, reveals the early stages of interaction between Spanish missionaries and the ancient Pueblo civilization -- an intermingling that would lead to conflict, and eventually, a massive revolt that some have called "the first American Revolution." Image courtesy of the Museum of Indian Arts and Culture, Laboratory of Anthropology Suggested further reading: Archaeologies of the Pueblo Revolt: Identity, Meaning, and Renewal in the Pueblo World, edited by Robert W. Preucel, especially Matthew Liebman, "Signs of Power and Resistance: The (Re)Creation of Christian Imagery and Identities in the Pueblo Revolt Era”; Ramon Gutierrez, "When Jesus Came the Corn Mothers Went Away" Please support this podcast and hear all lectures, including the upcoming examination of the "historical" King Arthur -- www.patreon.com/user?u=5530632

Ian Gershengorn, former Acting Solicitor General of the United States and Professor Barbara Creel speak to us about the recent Supreme Court case, McGirt v. Oklahoma. Gershengorn served as Jimcy McGirt's attorney and offers his experience in preparing and presenting the case. We discuss case strategy and the opinion delivered by Justice Gorsuch.Professor Creel, a member of the Pueblo of Jemez, has also served as an assistant federal public defender and brings her expertise in Indian Country criminal defense to our discussion. We discuss the petition brought forward by Jimcy McGirt, Indian sovereignty and the potential impact of this decision.Want to get involved with the Criminal Justice Section? Join us! https://www.americanbar.org/membership/join-now 

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You've probably driving right past it on your way up to Santa Fe or when heading out to camp in the Jemez.... Tucked away in northern Bernallio just west of the river is another example of local Burquenos being awesome. But this time, they're not frying up amazing food or putting on incredible laser shows per se, they're playing a critical role in one of the last, biggest lingering hallmarks of the West as we know it: at they're rescuing and rehabing New Mexico's horses. Saddle up for another episode of What's Up ABQ. In this one, learn what it's like for our horses and how one group of amazing people are stepping up in a huge way. Also, with how things currently are, if you can, help the Tamaya Horse Rehab and Rescue anyway you can! Consider donating generously at their website: https://www.tamayahorserehab.com/ - follow them on social, and help spread the word about how they're helping our community! We're all in this together, ABQ --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/whats-up-abq/message

In this episode, Larry-D and Vince go to the Jemez Mountain and do a live show where they go Squatchin' on a regular basis, so sit back have a listen and enjoy.

Nomad teZa and Carter Lord are tent-camping for the next two weeks in the Big Bend National Park, which borders Mexico and Texas. They speak from the first of three wilderness camps they've already secured with permits. Sadly, no fires are allowed here. Sharing about whatever hits their hearts, the Lords are feeling melancholic because this magnificent spot marks the beginning of their return journey. Many things have happened since their last podcast, getting in town visits (Santa Fe and Placitas and Albuquerque) after visiting friends of the Acoma Nation. Now they're in Apache land, after having passed their the Jemez pueblo on their way to Santa Fe. That's before they reached Big Bend. Which, by the way, if you haven't figured out yet -- is immense! And vastly breath-takingly diverse, not to mention awesomely beautiful (all familiar adjectives for ZLORD listeners!)

Thursday, November 7, 2019 A class of 15 Media Arts students from New Mexico Highlands University, in partnership with NM Historic Sites and the tribal governors at Jemez Pueblo in Jemez Springs, NM completed a full redesign and installation of the visitors center at Jemez Historic site during a semester intensive. The goal was to shift the focus to a pueblo/indigenous perspective, rather than the just the Spanish conquest. Using scalable digital media, the students designed, developed ,and installed extensive large-format projection mapping, screen-based interaction, responsive exhibits in restrooms (it is a small building and we had to maximize gallery space!), and a lasered/CNC floor to illustrate a map of yet-to-be- excavated native ruins. Session Type30-Minute Session (Presentation or Case Study) TrackExperience Key Outcomes After attending this session, participants will gain some insight in to the practice of working with a council of tribal members to re-envision a traditional visitors center that welcomes about 40,000 visitors per-year, one where most visitors possess no prior knowledge of the history of indigenous culture or contemporary indigenous life. Speakers Session Leader : Miriam Langer, Prof of Cultural Technology/Media Arts, NMHU Co-Presenter : Terence Garcia, Graduate Student, Media Arts NMHU, New Mexico Highlands University Co-Presenter : Ethan Ortega, New Mexico Historic Sites Instructional Coordinator, New Mexico Historic Sites Co-Presenter : Ali Romero, student, Media Arts, New Mexico Highlands University, New Mexico Highlands University

I partnered up with Eater magazine to include Pueblo bread in their Guide to the Southwest. In the process of writing this article, I took a journey through some of the Pueblos in New Mexico to learn about Pueblo bread. This episode includes voices from bakers from Jemez, Taos, Zuni and Laguna Pueblos. Link to "The Wondrous Bread of the Pueblo Nations" article: https://www.eater.com/2019/1/23/18183970/zuni-bread-pueblos-new-mexico Visit the episode at ToastedSisterPodcast.com for more photos

Continuing our discussion with Kerry Baldwin, we cover a wide array of prolife issues such as: how does poverty play a role in the abortion debate, and what might we do to reduce the death toll through better economics?  Does a woman have a right to an abortion?  Are personhood laws the answer the prolife movement has been looking for?  And what can you practically do to impact the prevalence of abortions?   The abortion debate is one that often evokes knee-jerk reactions.  For some, it is THE issue that defines their political biases.  It’s paradoxically of the utmost importance but extremely difficult to have an in-depth, frank discussion about a matter that excites such passions and deep convictions.  As both a protégé and critic of the modern prolife movement, Kerry Baldwin brings a unique perspective to the debate.   Kerry is an independent researcher and writer with a B.A. in Philosophy from Arizona State University.  Kerry grew up closely with the prolife movement and was a strong activist in prolife causes.  However, dissatisfaction with the political realities of the abortion debate and life circumstances made her question the movement’s methods and goals and led to a decade in which she did not participate in prolife rallies or causes.   Earlier this year, Kerry broke her silence when prolife activist Jeff Durbin joined those calling for women who have abortions to be charged with first-degree murder.  You can get a sense of Durbin’s stance in this interview he did of Vice President of National Right to Life Tony Lauinger.   Though she continues to be staunchly prolife, Kerry believes the efforts of many in the prolife movement are counterproductive in ending abortions and ultimately destructive to the women who seek abortions.  She offers an alternative path forward that she believes holds the hope of saving lives of not only the unborn, but those among us who are neglected, abused, and desperate.   Kerry’s website, MereLiberty.com, boasts of two podcasts: Dare to Think and Flashes of Liberty (coming soon).  She is also a regular contributor at the Libertarian Christian Institute.  Her writing focuses on libertarian philosophy and reformed theology, aimed at the educated layperson; challenging readers to rethink prevailing paradigms in politics, theology, and culture.   Kerry is a single, homeschooling mother of three.  She is the librarian for her congregation.  She enjoys outdoor activities in the Jemez mountains near her home, and stereotypically introverted hobbies such as puzzles and brain teasers, reading, and learning more about herbal and nutritional medicine. She enjoys studying Reformational Philosophy by way of Roy Clouser, and appreciates the theology of Meredith Kline, Lee Irons, and Aimee Byrd.

What does it mean to be prolife?  What does it really mean?   The abortion debate is one that often evokes knee-jerk reactions.  For some, it is THE issue that defines their political biases.  It’s paradoxically of the utmost importance but extremely difficult to have an in-depth, frank discussion about a matter that excites such passions and deep convictions.   Joining the podcast today is Kerry Baldwin, an independent researcher and writer with a B.A. in Philosophy from Arizona State University.  Kerry grew up closely with the prolife movement and was a strong activist in prolife causes.  However, dissatisfaction with the political realities of the abortion debate and life circumstances made her question the movement’s methods and goals and led to a decade in which she did not participate in prolife rallies or causes.   Earlier this year, Kerry broke her silence when prolife activist Jeff Durbin joined those calling for women who have abortions to be charged with first-degree murder.  You can get a sense of Durbin’s stance in this interview he did of Vice President of National Right to Life Tony Lauinger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbSHpIEUozs   Though she continues to be staunchly prolife, Kerry believes the efforts of many in the prolife movement are counterproductive in ending abortions and ultimately destructive to the women who seek abortions.  She offers an alternative path forward that she believes holds the hope of saving lives of not only the unborn, but those among us who are neglected, abused, and desperate.   Kerry’s website, MereLiberty.com, boasts of two podcasts: Dare to Think and Flashes of Liberty (coming soon).  She is also a regular contributor at the Libertarian Christian Institute.  Her writing focuses on libertarian philosophy and reformed theology, aimed at the educated layperson; challenging readers to rethink prevailing paradigms in politics, theology, and culture.   Kerry is a single, homeschooling mother of three.  She is the librarian for her congregation.  She enjoys outdoor activities in the Jemez mountains near her home, and stereotypically introverted hobbies such as puzzles and brain teasers, reading, and learning more about herbal and nutritional medicine. She enjoys studying Reformational Philosophy by way of Roy Clouser, and appreciates the theology of Meredith Kline, Lee Irons, and Aimee Byrd.  

04 03-07-18 LHDW ¿quién será el próximo seleccionador? Michel, Jemez, Luis Enrique y Sanchez Flores los favoritos

04 03-07-18 LHDW ¿quién será el próximo seleccionador? Michel, Jemez, Luis Enrique y Sanchez Flores los favoritos

On this episode of the Churros y Tácticas Podcast, Kiyan Sobhani and Diego Lorijn discuss: - Closure on Las Palmas - Paco Jemez rant -- why no La Liga team should hire him again - The Iago Aspas show - A very bipolar Sevilla - Continuing the debate: Rodrigo, Aspas, Morata, Costa, Moreno, Mariano - Valencia's consistency to remain in the top four - Aesthetics of Valverde's Barca - The identity of Real Madrid, and why it does or doesn't compare to great sides of the past - Pasillo discussion (promise, for the last time) - And more Did you enjoy this podcast? Please consider supporting us through Patreon: Patreon.com/ChurrosyTacticas

On this episode of the Churros y Tácticas Podcast, Kiyan Sobhani and Diego Llorijn discussed: - Real Madrid's continued crisis (dissected to its core in a minimal amount of time) - Luis Suarez normalizing - Zidane's pressers, and his ability to recognize the team's problems - Barca's Champions League chances - Andre Gomes's role in Anoeta - Vermaelen / Yerry Mina depth - Our favourite Dutch La Liga players - Paco Jemez giving us peak Paco Jemez - And a ton more Did you enjoy this podcast? Please consider supporting us through Patreon: Patreon.com/ChurrosyTacticas

05 11-01-18 LHDW Paco Jemez ya la lía hablando de sus jugadores "nos vamos a 2ª"

05 11-01-18 LHDW Paco Jemez ya la lía hablando de sus jugadores "nos vamos a 2ª"

03 21-12-17 LHDW Paco Jemez llega con su arte a Las Palmas

03 21-12-17 LHDW Paco Jemez llega con su arte a Las Palmas

En le partido donde Cruz Azul empató ante Toluca, la afición local se metió con el técnico español y la respuesta de Paco Jemez fue hacerle una señal con la mano de mal gusto, por lo que se ha generado mucha polémica.

León le empató en los últimos minutos del partido al Cruz Azul y ahora llueven las críticas hacia su técnico. Además Los Gallos hablaron del buen momento del América y la situación de Lobos Buap.

Los gallos hablan de las declaraciones de Paco Jemez tras el empate ante Guadalajara, donde habla sobre dos bajas sensibles y por no tener un buen plantel pueden sufrir en los próximos partidos. Además hablan de la llegada de Jonathan Dos Santos a la MLS.

Award-winning author Bill Konigsberg joins us in the studio for this week's episode, just in time to celebrate Pride Month. Bill is the author of Openly Straight, which won the Sid Fleischman Award for Humor, the Stonewall Award-winning The Porcupine of Truth, and most recently, Honestly Ben, a follow-up novel to Openly Straight. He talks about why he decided to write Honestly Ben several years after Openly Straight's release. Bill also shares what his life was like growing up as a gay teen in New York City during a time when there were little to no books in which he could see himself, his experiences, or even any role models. Later in the episode, we also talk with Scholastic librarian Deimosa Webber-Bey and art director Jeremy Goodwin about their recent experiences when Bill came to a meeting of the Scholastic Employee Book Club while they were discussing Honestly Ben.  Additional Resources: Read an excerpt of Openly Straight, Honestly Ben, and The Porcupine of Truth Get a free copy of Bill Konigsberg's novella, Openly, Honestly here See more of our recommendations for great Pride Month reads Follow along with our #ReadWithPride campaign on Twitter and Instagram Guests: Bill Konigsberg is the author of novels including Openly Straight, which was named to the YALSA Best Fiction for Young Adults list, and The Porcupine of Truth, which won the Stonewall Book Award and the PEN Center Literary Award. Bill lives in Arizona with his husband. Visit him online at billkonigsberg.com and follow him at @billkonigsberg. Deimosa Webber-Bey is the Library Manager at Scholastic and is responsible for the corporate archive, readers advisory, cataloging, and the employee book club. She also taught for several years in public schools in Queens, Brooklyn, Albuquerque, and the Pueblo of Jemez. Jeremy Goodwin is the Art Director for Scholastic's Corporate Communications department. He works on maintaining and elevating the equity of the Scholastic corporate brand across the many divisions of the company. He's been in the design industry for more than 10 years and is an avid reader and independent artist.  Special thanks: Music composed by Lucas Elliot Eberl Sound mix and editing by Daniel Jordan  Produced by Emily Morrow

Award-winning author Bill Konigsberg joins us in the studio for this week's episode, just in time to celebrate Pride Month. Bill is the author of Openly Straight, which won the Sid Fleischman Award for Humor, the Stonewall Award-winning The Porcupine of Truth, and most recently, Honestly Ben, a follow-up novel to Openly Straight. He talks about why he decided to write Honestly Ben several years after Openly Straight's release. Bill also shares what his life was like growing up as a gay teen in New York City during a time when there were little to no books in which he could see himself, his experiences, or even any role models. Later in the episode, we also talk with Scholastic librarian Deimosa Webber-Bey and art director Jeremy Goodwin about their recent experiences when Bill came to a meeting of the Scholastic Employee Book Club while they were discussing Honestly Ben.  Additional Resources: Read an excerpt of Openly Straight, Honestly Ben, and The Porcupine of Truth Get a free copy of Bill Konigsberg's novella, Openly, Honestly here See more of our recommendations for great Pride Month reads Follow along with our #ReadWithPride campaign on Twitter and Instagram Guests: Bill Konigsberg is the author of novels including Openly Straight, which was named to the YALSA Best Fiction for Young Adults list, and The Porcupine of Truth, which won the Stonewall Book Award and the PEN Center Literary Award. Bill lives in Arizona with his husband. Visit him online at billkonigsberg.com and follow him at @billkonigsberg. Deimosa Webber-Bey is the Library Manager at Scholastic and is responsible for the corporate archive, readers advisory, cataloging, and the employee book club. She also taught for several years in public schools in Queens, Brooklyn, Albuquerque, and the Pueblo of Jemez. Jeremy Goodwin is the Art Director for Scholastic's Corporate Communications department. With the mission of elevating the brand under a unified message, he contributes to high-level projects across the divisions of Scholastic. An alumnus of Parsons School of Design, he has been in the industry for over ten years and is also an avid reader and independent artist.    Special thanks: Music composed by Lucas Elliot Eberl Sound mix and editing by Daniel Jordan  Produced by Emily Morrow

In the sixth edition of our Kids & Family Reading Report, we asked U.S. parents and children about their attitudes and behaviors around reading books for fun, and now the results are in! Key findings reveal what kids and parents look for in children's books, the increase in reading aloud to children from an early age, the inequities around access to books in the home, and more. View all our findings and learn more about the methodology behind the survey at scholastic.com/readingreport. Be sure to keep an eye out for forthcoming episodes diving more deeply into the topics of reading aloud and summer reading! Guests:  Kristen Harmeling is a senior vice president at YouGov, a third-party, international market research firm, and the manager of the Kids & Family Reading Report national project.  Donalyn Miller has taught 4th, 5th, and 6th grade language arts and social studies in the Fort Worth, TX, area and was a finalist for 2010 Texas Elementary Teacher of the Year. She is a reading advocate, the author of two professional books, The Book Whisperer and Reading in the Wild, and a reading ambassador for Scholastic Book Fairs. Deimosa Webber-Bey is the Library Manager at Scholastic and responsible for the corporate archive, readers advisory, cataloging, and the employee book club. She also taught for several years in public schools in Queens, Brooklyn, Albuquerque, and the Pueblo of Jemez. Special thanks: Music composed by Lucas Elliot Eberl Sound mix and editing by Daniel Jordan  Produced by Emily Morrow    

In the sixth edition of our Kids & Family Reading Report, we asked U.S. parents and children about their attitudes and behaviors around reading books for fun, and now the results are in! Key findings reveal what kids and parents look for in children's books, the increase in reading aloud to children from an early age, the inequities around access to books in the home, and more. View all our findings and learn more about the methodology behind the survey at scholastic.com/readingreport. Be sure to keep an eye out for forthcoming episodes diving more deeply into the topics of reading aloud and summer reading! Guests:  Kristen Harmeling is a senior vice president at YouGov, a third-party, international market research firm, and the manager of the Kids & Family Reading Report national project.  Donalyn Miller has taught 4th, 5th, and 6th grade language arts and social studies in the Fort Worth, TX, area and was a finalist for 2010 Texas Elementary Teacher of the Year. She is a reading advocate, the author of two professional books, The Book Whisperer and Reading in the Wild, and a reading ambassador for Scholastic Book Fairs. Deimosa Webber-Bey is the Library Manager at Scholastic and responsible for the corporate archive, readers advisory, cataloging, and the employee book club. She also taught for several years in public schools in Queens, Brooklyn, Albuquerque, and the Pueblo of Jemez. Special thanks: Music composed by Lucas Elliot Eberl Sound mix and editing by Daniel Jordan  Produced by Emily Morrow    

Exposiciones PsyOp, Pernada laboral, Mr X golpista, Je Suis Nahed, Magufeo salafista, Premios Henry, Esclavismo textil, deshielo radioactivo, Jungla Irani,Vacas Nucleares, Chinalicia, EcoBilletes y mucho mas Enlaces ---Exposiciones PsyOp http://www.voltairenet.org/article193510.html ---Deutsche Rescate http://economia.elpais.com/economia/2016/09/28/actualidad/1475053963_293905.html Peregrina Millán Astray http://www.elmundo.es/cronica/2016/09/22/57dff887468aebcb0d8b45d2.html ---Manos turbias y Juankarlitros http://www.elmundo.es/espana/2016/09/27/57e98adf46163fe7768b4623.html ---Criminal pedófilo ZARAGOZA: En libertad en vez de ser colgado http://www.elpueblodigital.es/espana/un-ciberdepredador-sexual-reincidente-ha-podido-violar-a-mas-de-100-ninas/ http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2016/09/24/actualidad/1474706732_596595.html ---Jemez antisemita http://www.90min.com/es/posts/3853553-polemica-paco-jemez-humilla-a-su-nuevo-fichaje-en-plena-derrota-del-granada --Chino Araujo celebra empate ante el Madrid http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2016/09/27/primera/1474967639_058663.html ---Je suis Nahed http://petra.gov.jo/Public_News/Nws_NewsDetails.aspx?lang=2&site_id=1&NewsID=270016&CatID=13 ---Magufeo salafista https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/219268-turquia-estado-islamico-profecia-apocalipsis-dabiq ---Monsanto technology https://mundo.sputniknews.com/ciencia/20160925/1063686103/monsanto-crispr-licencia.html ---Patera only takbir es inocente http://m.europapress.es/andalucia/almeria-00350/noticia-declaran-no-culpable-acusado-patera-muerte-almeria-20160927130856.html ---Referéndum Sprska http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/09/22/tensions-loom-in-balkans-over-bosnian-serbs-referendum.html http://www.efe.com/efe/espana/mundo/la-fiscalia-bosnia-cita-al-presidente-serbobosnio-por-el-polemico-referendo/10001-3051024 ---El fútbol en las tierras usurpadas http://m.eldiario.es/desalambre/Israel-FIFA-Gaza-jugadores-palestinos_0_562044583.html ---Subasta wahabita de mujeres https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1817563/isis-is-trafficking-iraqi-yazidi-women-to-uk-ally-for-horrifying-auctions/ --British tagarrush http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3806185/Woman-26-abducted-raped-gang-six-migrants-Iraq-Syria-Bahrain-spiked-night-out.html ---Referéndum Suiza http://www.efe.com/efe/espana/mundo/los-suizos-apoyan-aumentar-la-capacidad-de-servicios-inteligencia-para-espiar/10001-3050202 ----Chateando con los takbirs http://spanish.almanar.com.lb/adetails.php?eid=139885&cid=23&fromval=1&frid=23&seccatid=67&s1=1 --Premios Henry http://www.voltairenet.org/article193438.html ---Takbir Usera http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2016/09/22/actualidad/1474550725_343286.html --Premio película siria Pyongyang http://prensa-latina.cu/index.php?o=rn&id=28987&SEO=pelicula-siria-recibe-premio-en-festival-de-cine-en-Pyongyang ---Sex in the Jungle http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/calais-jungle-volunteers-sex-refugees-allegations-facebook-care4calais-a7312066.html ---Futbol OTANista http://www.ukrinform.es/rubric-deportes/2089046-ucrania-y-kosovo-jugaran-en-cracovia.html ---Colonos violadores http://www.hispantv.com/noticias/sociedad/289018/abusos-sexuales-comunidad-judia-israel ---Eutanasia Troska http://www.abc.es/espana/abci-bescansa-si-este-pais-solo-votase-gente-menor-45-anos-iglesias-seria-presidente-201609271611_noticia.html ---FarsaBus Buitre http://www.telesurtv.net/news/Revelan-montaje-de-viaje-de-Mauricio-Macri-en-bus-de-Argentina-20160927-0034.html ---Brujería Perú http://diariocorreo.pe/edicion/pasco/oxapampa-queman-viva-a-mujer-acusada-de-hechiceria-video-700734/ --Guerra psicológica con bebés http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/articulo/mundo/2016/09/23/polemica-por-fotos-de-bebes-en-cajas-en-hospital-de-Venezuela ---Científicos conspiranoicos http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016474p21.pdf ---Puertas giratorias nazi-sionistas http://m.jpost.com/Diaspora/Former-antisemitic-Hungarian-MP-who-discovered-Jewish-roots-to-make-aliya-468386#article=6017REMwNDA2N0ZCQ0YxRDNCNjdGRTdDREU5NTBFMjA5RjU= ---H&M esclavistas http://www.sdpnoticias.com/estilo-de-vida/2016/09/27/hm-esta-en-la-mira-por-explotacion-laboral --Zapatillas robóticas http://www.eleconomista.es/tecnologia/noticias/7852989/09/16/Asi-es-Futurecraft-MFG-la-primera-zapatilla-de-Adidas-fabricada-por-robots -Jungla iraní de misiles https://mundo.sputniknews.com/orientemedio/20160925/1063662538/iran-misiles-desarrollo-lanzamiento.html ---Enseñanza privada takbir http://es.euronews.com/2016/09/27/la-policia-alemana-refuerza-la-seguridad-en-torno-a-los-musulmanes-tras-los --Deshielo radioactivo http://es.euronews.com/2016/09/26/el-deshielo-del-artico-amenaza-con-sacar-a-la-superficie-basura-nuclear-de-eeuu ---mali takbir http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/islamist-militant-jailed-for-cultural-destruction-in-mali-1.2807600 --Periodismo egipcio https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/09/28/egyptian-journalist-cheers-secular-writers-assassination-on-television/ ---Vacas nucleares http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201609220055.html ---Alemania en peligro http://www.elespanol.com/mundo/europa/20160927/158735019_0.html colombia http://www.nytimes.com/es/2016/09/25/a-dias-del-plebiscito-colombia-se-debate-entre-la-certeza-de-la-guerra-y-la-incertidumbre-de-la-paz/ http://www.nytimes.com/es/2016/09/26/el-gobierno-colombiano-firmo-el-acuerdo-de-paz-con-las-farc/?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Findex Emprendedores del tantalio https://www.larepublica.net/noticia/fabricacion_de_telefonos_inteligentes_ya_no_financia_conflictos/ isla mutante amenaza a Corea http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201609280027.html ukro encuesta http://spanish.peopledaily.com.cn/n3/2016/0928/c31618-9120896.html Apañando Liberia http://spanish.xinhuanet.com/2016-09/28/c_135718115.htm Disney Twitter http://www.libremercado.com/2016-09-27/disney-tambien-estudia-comprar-twitter-1276583348/ Isidoro Pepero http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/2849175/0/felipe-gonzalez-psoe-abstencion-psoe/ tragaperras SMS http://cincodias.com/cincodias/2016/09/26/motor/1474897282_990438.html Fotocopiadora Albión http://www.libremercado.com/2016-09-28/los-nuevos-billetes-de-plastico-de-5-libras-se-venden-por-500-euros-en-ebay-1276583369/ juicio black http://www.libremercado.com/2016-09-27/las-visa-oro-de-blesa-y-rato-eran-diferentes-al-resto-de-tarjetas-black-1276583275/ Chinalicia http://www.lavozdegalicia.es/noticia/economia/2016/09/28/china-aprovecha-falta-iniciativa-galicia-comprar-empresas/0003_201609G28P34991.htm ---Operación Soborno https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/219849-comprar-espana-alemania-segunda-guerra-mundial ---Trincando del reciclaje http://okdiario.com/economia/2016/09/27/chollo-del-reciclaje-directivos-ecoembes-cobran-doble-rajoy-406419 ---Tagarrusher arruina vidas https://www.thelocal.de/20160928/police-shoot-dead-father-who-attacked-daughters-abuser-with-knife ---Real refugees https://mundo.sputniknews.com/europa/20160927/1063712752/mielorussia-refugiados-ucranios.html ---Pakirrush http://www.elcomercio.com/actualidad/adolescente-paquistani-violacioncolectiva-grecia.html ---Followers takbir http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20160928/41629513796/detenidos-yihadistas-espana-alemania-belgica-barcelona-facebook.html --Brigada Al Andalus http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2016/09/28/actualidad/1475066084_183630.html --Retornator Pucela http://m.elnortedecastilla.es/valladolid/201609/26/detenido-valladolid-marroqui-intentaba-20160926063251.html ---Fumones presidenciales http://elcomercio.pe/movil/politica/gobierno/ppk-no-estoy-favor-fumones-que-quede-eso-bien-claro-noticia-1934913 ---Ministro AlbiOtimano http://es.euronews.com/2016/09/27/boris-johnson-alaba-la-cooperacion-entre-el-reino-unido-y-turquia-en-su-primer ---Muslim protection Alemania http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2016/09/27/actualidad/1474963473_897131.html ---Ruina saudí http://www.abc.es/economia/abci-arabia-saudi-recorta-salarios-ministros-y-funcionarios-caida-crudo-201609290154_noticia.html ---Feudalismo laboral http://www.libertaddigital.com/espana/2016-09-28/un-juez-de-alicante-avala-que-mantener-relaciones-sexuales-con-el-jefe-se-incluya-en-el-contrato-1276583459/ ---Golpismo Psoe http://www.libertaddigital.com/espana/politica/2016-09-29/veronica-perez-en-este-momento-la-unica-autoridad-en-el-psoe-soy-yo-1276583486/ ---Saqueo maño http://cadenaser.com/m/emisora/2016/09/29/radio_zaragoza/1475133700_314142.htm ---educacion soriana mejor que la finlandesa http://www.abc.es/espana/castilla-leon/abci-colegio-soria-educa-mejor-finlandia-201609282100_noticia.htm Videos Novi Handzar 2016 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dyYgpm8FyGE en 2014 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hgQ63vGkkUY ---Refugee sirio maltratado en España https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xmcgTcrF4VM fraude piramidal magufo

Hola amigos comunieros! Para esa semana larga y triste sin jornada de liga ni comunio, hemos grabado el esperado dossier de fichajes de la liga BBVA, donde analizamos a los jugadores que han llegado nuevos a comunio desde 2ª división o del extranjero. ¿Un japones en Sevilla? ¿Otra vez 2 chinos para Jemez? ¿Quien viene cedido del Sassuolo? Todo esto y mucho más en este dossier perpetrado por el nuevo equipo médico habitual, los mayores fichajes bluffs de la historia de los podcast. Ponemos en marcha la "Porra Jacob 4picas", en la que nuestros oyentes pueden apostar junto a nosotros cual será el mejor 11 de la temporada en comunio, cual sera el mejor jugador de cada equipo y cual será la clasificación final de la liga Santander. Para ello podeis enviar un mail a porra4picas@gmail.com o descargar el excel desde http://cuatropicas.blogspot.com.es/ y seguir las instrucciones. Además esta semana nos ha llegado la feliz noticia, somos uno de los 11 podcast elegidos para competir por ser el podcast favorito del público, gracias a los votos de nuestros oyentes. Ahora toca lo más díficil, no quedar últimos de 11. Así que si quieres ayudarnos con tu voto, entra enhttp://www.asespod.org/ y vota en conciencia. A disfrutar y esperamos vuestros comentarios! Y recordad, si os gusta el programa, dadle al ME GUSTA!!! Y si te ha gustado mucho, mucho, votanos en Asespod Ademas os invitamos a participar en el concurso del nuevo logo de cuatropicas para Ivoox. Envianos tu diseño a las4picas@yahoo..es y el que más nos guste, ademas de ser nuestra nueva imagen, recibirá de Premio una camiseta del recien ascendido Ath. Saguntino, cedida por Benja, su 2º entrenador.

Hola amigos comunieros! Para esa semana larga y triste sin jornada de liga ni comunio, hemos grabado el esperado dossier de fichajes de la liga BBVA, donde analizamos a los jugadores que han llegado nuevos a comunio desde 2ª división o del extranjero. ¿Un japones en Sevilla? ¿Otra vez 2 chinos para Jemez? ¿Quien viene cedido del Sassuolo? Todo esto y mucho más en este dossier perpetrado por el nuevo equipo médico habitual, los mayores fichajes bluffs de la historia de los podcast. Ponemos en marcha la "Porra Jacob 4picas", en la que nuestros oyentes pueden apostar junto a nosotros cual será el mejor 11 de la temporada en comunio, cual sera el mejor jugador de cada equipo y cual será la clasificación final de la liga Santander. Para ello podeis enviar un mail a porra4picas@gmail.com o descargar el excel desde http://cuatropicas.blogspot.com.es/ y seguir las instrucciones. Además esta semana nos ha llegado la feliz noticia, somos uno de los 11 podcast elegidos para competir por ser el podcast favorito del público, gracias a los votos de nuestros oyentes. Ahora toca lo más díficil, no quedar últimos de 11. Así que si quieres ayudarnos con tu voto, entra enhttp://www.asespod.org/ y vota en conciencia. A disfrutar y esperamos vuestros comentarios! Y recordad, si os gusta el programa, dadle al ME GUSTA!!! Y si te ha gustado mucho, mucho, votanos en Asespod Ademas os invitamos a participar en el concurso del nuevo logo de cuatropicas para Ivoox. Envianos tu diseño a las4picas@yahoo..es y el que más nos guste, ademas de ser nuestra nueva imagen, recibirá de Premio una camiseta del recien ascendido Ath. Saguntino, cedida por Benja, su 2º entrenador.

We're celebrating School Library Month with three of the most dedicated librarians we know. John Schumacher (the famous “Mr. Schu”) and Scholastic librarian Deimosa Webber-Bey talk with us about why they became librarians, the crucial task of finding the right book for a child, and why—as John describes it—the library is “the heart and soul of a school." Kristina Holzweiss, the 2015 School Library Journal School Librarian of the Year, also joins us to share her thoughts on why libraries matter. Guests: John Schumacher (aka Mr. Schu) is a blogger, a part-time lecturer at Rutgers University, and the Ambassador of School Libraries for Scholastic Book Fairs. Before joining Scholastic, he was a teacher-librarian at Brook Forest Elementary School in Oak Brook, Illinois. In 2011, Library Journal named John "The Xtreme Librarian” for the "gears and stunts" he uses to get kids reading. Teacher Magazine named him a “Cool Teacher” in 2014 for redefining what it means to be a teacher-librarian. John served on the 2014 Newbery Committee. You can find him blogging at www.MrSchuReads.com or tweeting @MrSchuReads.  Deimosa Webber-Bey is the Library Manager at Scholastic and responsible for the corporate archive, readers advisory, cataloging, and the employee book club. A Dartmouth alum and native of New York City, she was in Cohort 5 of the NYC Teaching Fellows, and taught for several years in public schools in Queens, Brooklyn, Albuquerque, and the Pueblo of Jemez. Deimosa also worked as the Teen Librarian at the Rio Rancho Public Library. She has published in YALS ("Noise @ Your Library", 2008) and The Journal of Interactive Technology and Pedagogy ("Runaway Quilt Project", 2014). The oldest of six children and a life-long vegetarian, she enjoys reading, writing, hip hop, comics, and quilting. Follow Deimosa on the Scholastic On Our Minds blog and on Twitter (@dataquilter). Kristina Holzweiss is a librarian at Bay Shore Middle School (BSMS) in Long Island, New York. She was named School Library Journal's 2015 School Librarian of the Year. The award “honors a K–12 library professional for outstanding achievement and the exemplary use of 21st-century tools and services to engage children and teens toward fostering multiple literacies.” While she did not particularly enjoy attending middle school, Kristina loves being a middle school librarian. Follow her on Twitter @lieberrian.  Additional resources:  Download the 2016 School Libraries Work! Report, a body of research that supports the effectiveness of school libraries. Learn more about the School Library Journal School Librarian of the Year Award. 

We’re celebrating School Library Month with three of the most dedicated librarians we know. John Schumacher (the famous “Mr. Schu”) and Scholastic librarian Deimosa Webber-Bey talk with us about why they became librarians, the crucial task of finding the right book for a child, and why—as John describes it—the library is “the heart and soul of a school." Kristina Holzweiss, the 2015 School Library Journal School Librarian of the Year, also joins us to share her thoughts on why libraries matter. Guests: John Schumacher (aka Mr. Schu) is a blogger, a part-time lecturer at Rutgers University, and the Ambassador of School Libraries for Scholastic Book Fairs. Before joining Scholastic, he was a teacher-librarian at Brook Forest Elementary School in Oak Brook, Illinois. In 2011, Library Journal named John "The Xtreme Librarian” for the "gears and stunts" he uses to get kids reading. Teacher Magazine named him a “Cool Teacher” in 2014 for redefining what it means to be a teacher-librarian. John served on the 2014 Newbery Committee. You can find him blogging at www.MrSchuReads.com or tweeting @MrSchuReads.  Deimosa Webber-Bey is the Library Manager at Scholastic and responsible for the corporate archive, readers advisory, cataloging, and the employee book club. A Dartmouth alum and native of New York City, she was in Cohort 5 of the NYC Teaching Fellows, and taught for several years in public schools in Queens, Brooklyn, Albuquerque, and the Pueblo of Jemez. Deimosa also worked as the Teen Librarian at the Rio Rancho Public Library. She has published in YALS ("Noise @ Your Library", 2008) and The Journal of Interactive Technology and Pedagogy ("Runaway Quilt Project", 2014). The oldest of six children and a life-long vegetarian, she enjoys reading, writing, hip hop, comics, and quilting. Follow Deimosa on the Scholastic On Our Minds blog and on Twitter (@dataquilter). Kristina Holzweiss is a librarian at Bay Shore Middle School (BSMS) in Long Island, New York. She was named School Library Journal’s 2015 School Librarian of the Year. The award “honors a K–12 library professional for outstanding achievement and the exemplary use of 21st-century tools and services to engage children and teens toward fostering multiple literacies.” While she did not particularly enjoy attending middle school, Kristina loves being a middle school librarian. Follow her on Twitter @lieberrian.  Additional resources:  Download the 2016 School Libraries Work! Report, a body of research that supports the effectiveness of school libraries. Learn more about the School Library Journal School Librarian of the Year Award. 

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Featuring art events throughout New Mexico, including at Zane Bennett Contemporary Art, Blue Rain Gallery, Bright Rain Gallery, Shiprock Santa Fe and more