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It's the UConn Popcast, and we've been experiencing a revolution in the past few years, as artificial intelligence becomes an increasingly common part of everyday life. Powerful AI tools are now integrated into our work, our schools, our creative industries, and our experiences of dating and companionship. This is a disorientating experience, one that changes not only our views of technology, but of ourselves. Can we look to a past technological revolution for help?   We revisit Sherry Turkle's classic text The Second Self: Computers and the Human Spirit (MIT Press, 1985) on how the sudden spread of the personal computer through society in the 1980s similarly challenged the human relationship to technology. What can Turkle's text, which combined the fields of ethnography, psychoanalysis, and technology and society, tell us about today's AI revolution? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/new-books-network

It's the UConn Popcast, and we've been experiencing a revolution in the past few years, as artificial intelligence becomes an increasingly common part of everyday life. Powerful AI tools are now integrated into our work, our schools, our creative industries, and our experiences of dating and companionship. This is a disorientating experience, one that changes not only our views of technology, but of ourselves. Can we look to a past technological revolution for help?   We revisit Sherry Turkle's classic text The Second Self: Computers and the Human Spirit (MIT Press, 1985) on how the sudden spread of the personal computer through society in the 1980s similarly challenged the human relationship to technology. What can Turkle's text, which combined the fields of ethnography, psychoanalysis, and technology and society, tell us about today's AI revolution? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/science-technology-and-society

It's the UConn Popcast, and we've been experiencing a revolution in the past few years, as artificial intelligence becomes an increasingly common part of everyday life. Powerful AI tools are now integrated into our work, our schools, our creative industries, and our experiences of dating and companionship. This is a disorientating experience, one that changes not only our views of technology, but of ourselves. Can we look to a past technological revolution for help?   We revisit Sherry Turkle's classic text The Second Self: Computers and the Human Spirit (MIT Press, 1985) on how the sudden spread of the personal computer through society in the 1980s similarly challenged the human relationship to technology. What can Turkle's text, which combined the fields of ethnography, psychoanalysis, and technology and society, tell us about today's AI revolution? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/technology

Recently we spent two nights in the Sahara desert.  The desert is so mystical and vast that you feel ill-equipped to tie your mind around its endless borders and landscapes. So much of the desert fascinates.  Of course, we saw camels, real mirages, and sand.  What bent our minds were the thousands of other living things we saw in the desert – trees, grass, flowers, rare rocks, water, and people. We walked and watched an entire desert ecosystem quietly and subtly teeming; emerging then disappearing. Much of my faith background was informed and built around the experiences of people within desert settings whose metaphors have peppered my training and instruction.  What I actually saw with my eyes was something different. Owning a business is lonely.  You cannot (or probably should not) share everything, explain everything, or anticipate everything. Decisions are made of which may never feel reasonable.   A typical day may be spent with an owner's mind racing inefficiently from cash flow to employees, insurance to payroll, or receivables to project scheduling.  The end of the day is a scramble to find a short window of numbness to escape before the mind machine churns along.   And then there is life to think about. It is important to understand that there are varieties of loneliness and not all are poisonous.   German-American philosopher Paul Tillich helps us understand the subtly between the loneliness of isolation in contrast to the loneliness of solitude saying, “(Isolation) expresses the pain of being alone, and solitude expresses the glory of being alone" The first thing a lonely owner must identify is what desert of loneliness they find themselves in. As we walked through the desert and rode camels through the desert there was an ironic peace, almost a draw to stay.  There was a sense where I had just a shard of understanding as to how entire civilizations could both live and embrace life in the desert – it was quiet, calm, with limited distractions, and vast views for the mind to have space to think long and exponential thoughts.  There was space that was not available in my office, or around our conference table. The loneliness we feel may be the very loneliness that is needed through the healing salve of healthy solitude.  Sherry Turkle says, “(Solitude) is the time you become familiar and comfortable with yourself...Without solitude, we cannot construct a stable sense of self.” (Turkle pg.. 61) The human spirit NEEDS healthy alone time.  Time to unravel the crust and calcified lies we tell ourselves in the hurried distraction of a noisy day. Pablo Picasso said, “Without great solitude, no serious work is possible”.  Action and reaction may very well be the enemy of healthy solitude and will stunt the joy of healthy solitude. Isolation is the painful dark side of loneliness and can be manifested by a deep, enduring feeling of hopelessness.  Community will usually be needed for isolation but ill-equipped to receive if honesty and vulnerability are not included.  Community requires vulnerability over transparency and they are different. Lewis Wright articulates, “Transparency is an openness for observation, but not connection. You let folks know how you're doing, but keep them at arm's length so they can't affect you. Alternatively, vulnerability not only allows for observation, but intentionally opens up for connection (community).” The second way to combat loneliness is through connection and vulnerability with a person you trust and think wise.  Darren Hardy said, “Never ask for advice of someone with whom you wouldn't want to trade places.” The solution to isolation is not more isolation.  Embrace solitude in order to bring out your best thoughts, ideas, and insights. Hedge from isolation as an owner by connecting with a community of other owners. Business On Purpose will help by providing you a wise guide, a proven trail map, and a group of like-minded owners all running in the same direction. You can ask-us-anything about your business or how we can help liberate you from chaos by going to mybusinessonpurpose.com/contact and we will follow up. Take the Healthy Owner Business Assessment HERE➡️ mybusinessonpurpose.com/healthy SIGN UP for our Newsletter HERE ➡️ https://www.boproadmap.com/newsletter For blogs and updates, visit our site HERE ➡️ https://www.mybusinessonpurpose.com/blog/ LISTEN to the Business On Purpose Podcast HERE ➡️ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/my-business-on-purpose/id969222210 SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel HERE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbPR8lTHY0ay4c0iqncOztg?sub_confirmation=1

We are in the thick of spooky season! Betsy came a hair's breath from trying to do The Vanishing Pumpkin again (you can listen to the previous episode featuring that book on this podcast) but at the last possible second she did a hard right turn and decided to go with yet another Brinton Turkle title (the previous Turkle was The Boy Who Didn't Believe in Spring, which he illustrated). Not to spoil anything but Kate was unexpectedly charmed by this tale of orange cats, incredible interior design, and banjo clocks. It's hard to think of a "cozy" Halloween picture book, but this might well fit the bill. Let's hear it for competent middle-aged women heroes! Woohoo! For the full Show Notes please visit: https://afuse8production.slj.com/2024/10/14/fuse-8-n-kate-do-not-open-by-brinton-turkle/

In this episode Barry and Mike discuss Sherry Turkle's “Alone Together” and her thesis, that though technology opens new possibilities for communication it simultaneously alienates us from each other, leaving us wanting for emotional connections. We wonder whether Turkle is right and whether authentic relationships are possible.

The human capacity for empathy allows us to communicate, collaborate and understand each other. But we all know empathy isn't always easy, and we can feel worn down by the effort. MIT professor and researcher Sherry Turkle studies empathy, and particularly how technology can undermine our natural human tendencies to connect. After several books and many decades of work compiling research on other people, Turkle looked inward to write, “The Empathy Diaries: A Memoir.” She explores how she arrived at her subject matter, which she says is not just a profession, but a calling. In this interview from the archives, Tricia Johnson, the editorial director of the Aspen Ideas Festival, interviews Turkle on stage at the 2021 festival. The event was Turkle's first in-person book talk since the Covid pandemic hit. They discuss the role and power of being an outsider, how to build your empathy muscles, and the vital function of long-term relationships. aspenideas.org

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"Technology is based on the premise that there can be an optimization of things through algorithmic understanding. ‘Ones and zeros' data can be manipulated and thus produce an optimal outcome which is a lovely idea for certain kinds of things. It's not necessarily, in my opinion, the best idea for the psyche or for happiness or for developing a life that's meaningful. I think a psychological mindset is slightly different in that our colleagues are really concerned with being with the person, making meanings, suffering sometimes through difficult things, so there isn't just an automatic assumption as there is in the tech mindset that we're trying to optimize for whatever it is that's good. It becomes very philosophical in the end… What is optimized? What is good? Why should we do it? There are all these kinds of questions that one may ask the technology mindset person: Why would we want to hack our nutrition or our mental health in order to become stronger or better? It is a little problematic, I think, as an end goal."    Episode Description: Nicolle begins by describing her journey from being a math teacher in the inner city to then becoming a consultant in the early days of the tech revolution. She shares the ethical concerns that led her to shift her interest to the mental health field and her eventually becoming Dean of the School of Professional Psychology and Health at California Institute of Integral Studies. While there she observed that "analysts think differently." This led her to seek to train as an analyst while also utilizing her familiarity with the tech mindset to create bridges with those in each field. We discuss the differences in ways of thinking between technologically immersed individuals and those with a psychological orientation - keeping in mind that each has much to learn from the other. We consider the dangers in the developing technological world, which include matters of privacy, distractedness, and a capacity to sit with suffering. We close with Nicolle sharing her vision for the future, which includes analysts playing a part in developing ethical approaches to the upcoming new developments. Her podcast is titled Technology and the Mind.   Our Guest: Nicolle Zapien, Ph.D. is a licensed MFT with 20 years of clinical experience. She is a post-seminar candidate at the Psychoanalytic Institute of Northern California (PINC). She serves on the Ethics committee and the Visiting Scholar committee at PINC and also on APsA's committee for public information. From 2015 to 2019, Dr. Zapien served as Professor and Dean of the School of Professional Psychology and Health at California Institute of Integral Studies, overseeing 6 clinical training degree programs and 5 training clinics. There, she served on the IRB and chaired the research committee. Prior to her clinical work, Dr. Zapien spent a decade as a consultant designing, conducting, and/or overseeing over 200 quantitative and/or qualitative studies for industry clients and non-profits. Some of these studies employed user experience and human factors design methods to optimize the user experiences of technology products and services delivered via smartphones, tablets, websites, or kiosks. She has authored 2 books and several academic articles on themes associated with human decision-making, ethics, and phenomenology.   Recommended Readings: Bednar, K., & Spiekermann, S. (2022). Eliciting Values for Technology Design with Moral Philosophy: An Empirical Exploration of Effects and Shortcomings. Science, Technology, & Human Values.    Frankel, R. & Krebs, V. (2022). Human Virtuality and Digital Life: Philosophical and Psychoanalytic Investigations. Routledge: New York, NY.   Greenfield. A. (2021). Radical Technologies: The Design of Everyday Life. Verso: New York, NY.   Marshall, Brandeis Hill (2023). Data Conscience: Algorithmic S1ege on our Humanity.John Wiley & Sons: Hoboken, NJ.   Millar, I. (2021). The Psychoanalysis of Artificial Intelligence. Palgrave MacMillian: Cham, Switzerland.   Turkle, S. (2022) The Empathy Diaries. Penguin Press: New York, NY.  

The Man Without Qualities by Morris Berman was recommended by listener (and author!) O.F. Cieri back in December of 2020. It was recommended to them by a friend who said this book "would change America" and that "we were all going to look at each other differently "- "a new culture would emerge from this book!" Although this book is supposedly intended as satire, it left us wondering how much of it or what elements were supposed to be funny. Check out O.F. Cieri's urban fantasy, Lord of Thundertown In addition to our usual barnyard language, this episode includes discussion of: American politics (specifically the 2015-2016 brand) & jokes based on ethnicities and gender.  Sherry Turkle: 2012 TEDtalk: Connected, but alone? Turkle's Books & Articles U.S. Socioeconomic & Political Background Info: Poverty & Disenfranchisment: https://www.poorpeoplescampaign.org/resource/power-of-poor-voters/ https://www.prrac.org/newsletters/julaug2002.pdf https://www.americanprogress.org/article/systematic-inequality-american-democracy/ https://www.aclu.org/news/voting-rights/racist-roots-denying-incarcerated-people-their-right-vote https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9930477/ Police Brutality: https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ https://policebrutalitycenter.org/police-brutality-statistics/ https://policeepi.uic.edu/u-s-data-on-police-shootings-and-violence/ March & Protest Statistics: https://stacker.com/history/famous-protests-us-history-and-their-impacts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_and_demonstrations_in_the_United_States_by_size https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/

It was way back in 2011 that MIT Professor Sherry Turkle released her ground-breaking book, Alone Together: Why We Expect More from Technology and Less from Each Other. Turkle was writing about the growing epidemic of loneliness, precipitated in many ways by our increased screen time, which can leave us in physical proximity with others, but emotionally detached. Today's teenagers, all part of what's known as Gen Z, are feeling especially lonely. Some reports show that almost three-fourths of Gen Z'ers feel lonely sometimes or always. For example, the percentage of lonely high school seniors jumped from twenty-six percent in 2012 to thirty-nine percent in 2017. God has made us for relationships. This includes first and foremost our relationship with him, and then our relationships with others. With out those relationships, we suffer. Parents, one step you can take is to carve out times for everyone to shut down their devices, and then to just be together.

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We assume, because of our modern loneliness epidemic, that being alone is bad, not realizing that there are healthy forms of loneliness and unhealthy forms.   The legendary John Prine wrote a powerful song entitled The Speed of The Sound of Loneliness.  His lyric lends insight into a common reality for leaders, “you've broken the speed of the sound of loneliness, you're out there runnin' just to be on the run.”    After launching, incubating, or purchasing a business, the owner or founder begins running at a speed that very few can or will match in the remaining days, years, and decades of the business.  For many, it is a hyper-speed, superhuman pace, unsustainable over time.   There is a sound to loneliness, a narrative, a rhythm that can be of great value to the leader, but for most, they ignore and blast right through the speed of the sound of loneliness and they continue running at a superhuman pace because it is the only way to give momentary satisfaction for our obsession of productivity. We make excuses and say that we really do care about “quality” or “customer service”, when in reality what we really care about is that this “perfect” business we grew has no spot or blemish when placed into the care of others. Loneliness forces us to see the warts, the blemishes, the imperfections.   Loneliness forces us to reckon with our own humanity… our limitations.   Loneliness offers an opportunity to find joy in the imperfections, or to deny that imperfections can exist and pick up the speed of our running so that we can “feel like we're doing something”. A dear mentor of mine told me in November of 2015, “My favorite thing about you is not your productivity”. It stung.   I am well known and regarded precisely for my productivity and affinity for systems and processes, and my friend to a surgeon's scalpel to the thing that I embraced the most.  His encouragement felt like rebuke, and it was needed. It would have never been heard without time and space for relationship…an ironic twist on solitude.   There is healthy loneliness and unhealthy loneliness. There are healthy relationships and unhealthy relationships. If you are to be an executive leader of impact, then you will make time for solitude. Recalling the story of how Nike wooed Michael Jordan as its game-changing endorsement personality Sonny Vacarro was shocked when Nike founder Phil Knight decided to change his mind and commit the entirety of the Nike basketball endorsement money to one player.  Originally against the unprecedented idea, Vacarro asked Knight, “What changed?”   Knight's response?  “I went for a run.”  The story may not be true… but the principle is.   A portion of that solitude will be committed to a few, meaningful, sincere, and intentional relationships.   Relationships with people in person, and with people in publication. Nearly one out of every two adults has not read a book in the last 12 months.  That is not an option for an Executive Leader.   If Executive Leadership is creating proximity to motivate a team to pursue the named future you see, then part of the proximity you create are towards relationships that can provide mutual sourcing for motivation and vision. Rarely does a person develop a vision from nothing.  We all generate vision from a body of source material, experiences, and inputs.   Leaders need curated input, but too often we crank up the volume of the masses in the search for a non-caloric “silver bullet” instead of eagerly pursuing the small, subtle voice of wisdom that is dripping with sustenance.   How do we know if our time is being devoted to wise solitude, whether alone or with someone, or to noisy isolation as we infinite-scroll the doomsday logs at the ready in our feeds?  The Solitude Matrix helps us to understand where we can make time for solitude; both alone and with others.      Imagine a quadrant where your horizontal axis on the top is devoted to substance and on the left and surface on the right.  The vertical axis on the left side is devoted to solitary at the top and social at the bottom. When a leader devotes themselves to surface-level conversation in a solitary surrounding (top right) it leads to the hopelessness of unchecked voices in our minds, a belief that what you see is always because perspective has no access, and solutions are fabricated many times to problems that don't exist (or at least are not significant). When a leader devotes themselves to surface-level conversation in a social surrounding (bottom right) it leads to an interaction that feels fake.  Not a relationship, but instead an obligation.  In these fake interactions, we find ourselves obsessed with “who's got it more together”, and wanting to become the highest “spender” so we can steal the show.  Fake conversations leave us empty as we leave hoping that our social standing improved during the interaction. When a leader devotes themselves to substance-level conversation in a social surrounding (bottom left) they are actively building relationships.  There is a focus on connecting with a healthy mix of emotion and empathy.  A relationship interaction from a leader is comfortable with awkward silence because simple presence is valued, and there is a shared decor (SWAG, music, food, or event) that is meaningful.   When a leader devotes themselves to substance-level conversation in a solitary surrounding (top left) they achieve the hallmark of leadership; wisdom and vision.  Healthy solitude allows for active listening by reading or thinking, writing to capture what they hear, thoughtful planning to map out clarity, and intentional reflection to celebrate wins and mourn losses.  Sherry Turkle defines healthy solitude as “the time you become familiar and comfortable with yourself...Without solitude, we cannot construct a stable sense of self.” (Turkle pg.. 61). Solitude with distraction robs us of that, leaving us confused and setting us up to hurt other people.  This leads to the myth of the modern brainstorming sessions to be our primary mode of breeding helpful bouts of creativity.  Turkle (pg. 62) goes on to say that “Our brains are most productive when there is no demand that they be reactive...new ideas are more likely to emerge from people thinking on their own.  Solitude is where we can learn to trust our imagination.” Solitude is the healthy version of being alone On the other hand, the philosopher and theologian Paul Tillich says, “Language...has created the word ‘loneliness' to express the pain of being alone.  And it has created the word ‘solitude' to express the glory of being alone.”  Loneliness is painful because it allows the space for shame to be revealed.  Shame in our past, shame in our present.  When we medicate with the substance of busy-ness then we ensure that shame remains safely swept under the rug.   Loneliness is not the same as solitude. Picasso said, “Without great solitude, no serious work is possible”.  The human spirit NEEDS healthy alone time.

Há quem o demonize, dizendo que veio arruinar o modo como nos relacionamos.Há quem o use com imensa sabedoria e inclusivamente o defenda como forma de criar novas formas de relacionamento. Seja como for, o mundo digital, veio para ficar: pensar que voltaremos atrás, é uma perfeita ilusão.Ana Markl recebe Luísa Lima para uma nova ‘mini-série' de episódios, desta vez dedicada aos Laços Sociais. O arranque não poderia ser melhor, com a exploração desta dualidade mundo físico-mundo digital, dos efeitos que provoca em nós e na maneira como interagimos com o outro. Esteja aberto à surpresa de saber que, afinal, também existem vantagens nas relações estabelecidas online; e fique mais desperto para a importância do Sincronismo. Quer saber o que é? Venha ouvir. REFERÊNCIAS E LINKS ÚTEIS:Nós e os Outros, o poder dos laços sociais, Maria Luísa Pedroso de Limahttps://www.ffms.pt/pt-pt/livraria/nos-e-os-outros-o-poder-dos-lacos-sociaisBarak, A. & Suler, J. (2008). Reflections on the psychology and social science of cyberspace. In A.Barak (Ed.), Psychological aspects of cyberspace: theory, research, applications (pp. 1-12).Cambridge University Press.  Jetten, J., Reicher, S., Haslam, A., & Cruwys, T. (2020). Together Apart: the Psychology ofCOVID-19. SAGE Publications. Lima, M.L., Marques, S., Muiños, G., & Camilo, C. (2017). All you need is Facebook friendsAssociations between online and face to face friendships and health. Frontiers in Psychology,8:68. doi: 10.3389/fpsyg.2017.00068 Turkle, S. (2005). The Second Self, Twentieth Anniversary Edition: Computers and the HumanSpirit. The MIT Press.  Turkle, S. (2015). Reclaiming Conversation: The Power of Talk in a Digital Age. Penguin Press Valdesolo, P., & Desteno, D. (2011). Synchrony and the social tuning of compassion. Emotion (Washington, D.C.), 11(2), 262–266. https://doi.org/10.1037/a0021302 BIOS ANA MARKLAna Markl nasceu em Lisboa, em 1979, com uma total inaptidão para tomar decisões, pelo que se foi deixando levar pelas letras: licenciou-se em Línguas e Literaturas Modernas porque gostava de ler e escrever, mas acabou por se formar em Jornalismo pelo CENJOR. Começou por trabalhar no jornal Blitz para pôr a render a sua melomania, mas extravasou a música e acabou por escrever sobre cultura e sociedade para publicações tão díspares como a Time Out, o Expresso ou até mesmo a Playboy. Manteve o pé na imprensa, mas um dia atreveu-se a fazer televisão. Ajudou a fundar o canal Q em 2010, onde foi guionista e apresentadora. Finalmente, trocou a televisão pela rádio, um velho amor que ainda não consumara. Trabalha desde 2015 na Antena 3 como locutora e autora. LUÍSA PEDROSO DE LIMALicenciou-se em Psicologia na Universidade de Lisboa.  É Professora Catedrática de Psicologia Social, Diretora do ISCTE_Saúde e Presidente do Conselho Científico no ISCTE, onde desenvolve desde 1982 uma ampla atividade no ensino e na orientação científica.  A sua investigação incide sobre a aplicação da Psicologia Social a questões da saúde e do ambiente, e encontra-se refletida em numerosas publicações científicas. É autora do livro “Nós e os outros: O poder dos laços sociais” publicado pela Fundação Francisco Manuel dos Santos.  Foi presidente da Associação Portuguesa de Psicologia.  É Honorary Professor na Universidade de Bath. 

Psychologist, sociologist, MIT Professor, and Author of Reclaiming Conversation and The Empathy Diaries, Sherry Turkle guest hosts Team Human in a special reverse interview to celebrate the release of Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires.Turkle helps Rushkoff share his experiences with the men behind The Mindset to understand them in the greater context of the fear of intimacy and quest for domination fueling so many of their exploits.

How often do you check your phone? According to a study led by Nottingham Trent University in Britain, the average person looks at their device 85 times a day, browsing the internet or using apps.你多久查看一次手机？根据英国诺丁汉特伦特大学领导的一项研究，普通人每天使用他们的电子设备 85 次来浏览互联网或使用应用程序。 Updating their status on social media platforms also made people reach for their electronic companion frequently.在社交媒体平台上更新他们的状态也让人们经常接触他们的在线朋友。Even the study's participants thought that was a lot: this figure is twice as often as they thought they did. 甚至该研究的参与者也认为这玩手机的次数很多：这个数字是他们认为的两倍。Our phones might be shaping our behavior more than we realize, and changing the way we interact with people right next to us. 我们的手机可能比我们意识到的更能塑造我们的行为，并改变我们与身边人互动的方式。Do you actually look at your surroundings more than at your phone?你环顾周围的环境真的会比看手机多吗？ Is it rude to check your phone when someone is talking to you?当有人和你说话时你却在玩手机，这是不是不礼貌？Sherry Turkle interviewed hundreds of college students about this.雪莉·特克尔就此采访了数百名大学生。 She's a clinical psychologist and a professor of social studies at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. 她是麻省理工学院的临床心理学家和社会研究教授。They talked about something they called 'the rule of three'.他们谈到了他们称之为“三人行法则”的东西。The rule has to do with being considerate to others in spite of the allure of the little flat box. 尽管小扁平盒子很有吸引力，但这条规则与为他人着想有关。Turkle explains: "If you go to dinner with friends, you don't want to look down at your phone until you see that three people are looking up in the conversation. 特克尔解释说：“如果你和朋友一起去吃饭，当你看到其他三个在抬头说话时，你就不会想着低头玩手机。So there's a new etiquette where you don't look down unless three people are looking up in order to keep a little conversation alive."所以有一种新的礼仪，为了保持一点聊天的气氛，当其他三个人正在抬头聊天，你是不会去低头玩手机的。”Actually, if you are clever enough you might use your phone as a tool to connect with people next to you. 实际上，如果您足够聪明，您可能会使用手机作为与您旁边的人联系的工具。How about showing them pictures stored in its memory? Sharing a bit of your life with them can bring you closer together. 给他们看存储在内存中的图片怎么样？与他们分享你的一些生活可以让你们更紧密地联系在一起。And you can also invite everyone to take a selfie with you.您还可以邀请所有人与您一起自拍。But the best thing to deal with mobile phone addiction is to go cold turkey and leave the machine behind occasionally or just switch it off and keep it firmly in your pocket for a while. 但对付手机成瘾最好的办法就是戒掉它，偶尔放下你的手机，或者干脆关掉它，把它放在你的口袋里放一会儿。Who knows... 'life' might be what happens when you are too busy staring at a small screen.谁会知道……当你忙着盯你的手机小屏幕时下一秒会发生什么。词汇表device 设备to browse （通过网络）浏览app (application) 手机应用程序to update (their) status 更新（社交网站上的个人）状态social media platform 社交媒体平台to shape 塑造，形成to interact 互动，交流surroundings 周围的事物，环境clinical psychologist 临床心理学家social studies 社会科学课程technology 工业技术considerate 体贴的allure 诱惑力，吸引力etiquette 规矩；礼节to connect （融洽地）沟通memory（手机）内存selfie 自拍照to go cold turkey 快速、彻底地戒掉（坏习惯）

Ada seekor burung camar yang mengikuti Obadiah kemanapun. Di jalanan, di toko, di penggilingan sampai Obadiah merasa malu. Tetapi kemudian burung itu tidak menampakkan dirinya.. Obadiah bertanya tanya...

Chapter 16: On the Clock1. Malcolm Gladwell, Outliers: The Story of Success (New York: Little,Brown, and Company, 2008), 35-68.2. Henri Nouwen, In the Name of Jesus: Reflections on Christian Leadership(New York: The Crossroad Publishing Company, 1989), 100-101.3. Nouwen, In the Name of Jesus, 92-93.4. Turkle, Reclaiming Conversation, 71.5. See 1 John 1:3.

What happens when we start preferring interactions with our devices over interactions with real people? Sherry Turkle explores this dilemma in her book, Alone Together: Why We Expect More from Technology and Less from Each Other. Communications students Katt and Hailey, along with professor Jeremy Pettitt, discuss Turkle’s book, the pitfalls of texting, and the daunting prospect of making a phone call. Head over to Ellul’s Cafe for a conversation on the necessity of embodied community in a digital age. Reach out to me:profpettitt@gmail.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week, Sherry Turkle, MIT professor and author, joins Henry & Colin to discuss her new memoir, The Empathy Diaries. Sherry and Henry talk about their shared experiences of teaching arts & humanities at MIT. Since Sherry's work is usually interpreted as a critique of technology and Henry's work is interpreted as a support of technology, they both start by sharing some recent optimism that Sherry has about technology, and some recent pessimism that Henry has about technology. Sherry expresses concerns about people's apathy about the increasing intrusion of technology in our lives, and how that could potentially lead to the erosion of our rights. Sherry reflects back on the process of memoir writing and questioning her own assumptions earlier in life. She shares a story about being asked to make dinner for Steve Jobs instead of being invited to a meeting with him, and how reflecting on that was a humbling experience. Ultimately, Sherry ends with posing a question about not only how we can see empathy as a pathway into politics, but how we can expand the definition of empathy and apply that to our own lives. A full transcript of this episode will be available soon!Here are some of the references from this episode, for those who want to dig a little deeper:Sherry Turkle's new memoir, The Empathy DiariesFalling for Science, one of the books she edited of her students' writingHenry's blog interview with Sherry TurkleSherry Turkle's TED talkThe Cult of the Amateur by Andrew KeenHenry and his son on the ASMR communityHannah Arendt on TotalitarianismTrump's statement that republicans shouldn't vote in 2022 and 2024 electionsDepaysementFiction that shaped Sherry's childhood:Nancy Drew - The Secret of the Old ClockJane Austen - Pride & PrejudiceMy Fair Lady stage musicalCurrent TV she's enjoying:Succession (Influence of King Lear)DickinsonNina Eliasoph, Avoiding Politics: How Americans Produce Apathy in Everyday LifeHenry's memoir piece about comics and mourning can be found in Turkle's Evocative Objects book  Allissa Richardson, Bearing Witness While Black: African Americans, Smartphones, and the New Protest #JournalismHenry Jenkins's Farewell to MITJohn Perry Barlow, “Declaration of Independence in Cyberspace”Julian Dibbell, “A Rape in Cyberspace”Atlas of the Civic ImaginationShare your thoughts via Twitter with Henry, Colin and the How Do You Like It So Far? account! You can also email us at howdoyoulikeitsofarpodcast@gmail.com.Music:“In Time” by Dylan Emmett and “Spaceship” by Lesion X.––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––In Time (Instrumental) by Dylan Emmet  https://soundcloud.com/dylanemmeSpaceship by Lesion X https://soundcloud.com/lesionxbeatsCreative Commons — Attribution 3.0 Unported — CC BY 3.0Free Download / Stream: https://bit.ly/in-time-instrumentalFree Download / Stream: https://bit.ly/lesion-x-spaceshipMusic promoted by Audio Library https://youtu.be/AzYoVrMLa1Q––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––

Default Friend is a writer investigating the deep history of the internet on her substack, Default Wisdom. She joins me to discuss one of our mutual interests: the work of the sociologist Sherry Turkle, and the light her pioneering 1995 study Life on the Screen sheds on the early history of the internet and the way the 90s internet anticipated present realities. We also explore the implications of Turkle's argument that the internet rendered concrete the abstractions of postmodern theory, as well as Default Friend's own work on fandom, Tumblr and other facets of "the millennial internet." https://defaultfriend.substack.com/ http://www.mit.edu/people/sturkle/Life-on-the-Screen.html

This is the first episode in a series on the book Psychoanalytic Politics by Sherry Turkle. We teamed up with Neil, our Lost Horizons alumnus of From 78 fame, to talk about this book he likes and thought we might too. Neil is really into psychoanalysis and we are really into politics, we figured this would be a good book to  bridge our interests and have a discussion.Check out InForm here:https://inform.transistor.fm/ Turkle, Sherry. Psychoanalytic politics : Jacques Lacan and Freud's French revolution. London New York: Free Association Books Guilford Press, 1992.Support the show (http://patreon.com/theregrettablecentury)

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Arnon Rolnick and Lou Agosta discuss the work of Sherry Turkle. Professor Turkle gets off a good “Jeremiad” about the damaging effects of beeping, chirping, distracting, interrupting, messaging device. One of the main negative effects is a kind of acquired attention deficit on the part of large segments of the population/community. Key term: acquired attention deficit. The smart phone and text messaging is a significant disruptor to one's ability to be present with oneself and with others. One of the main effects of the digital revolution in everything is that we the community has an "acquired attention deficit" due to device interruptions. A lot of distance exists on the spectrum between "better than nothing" and "better than everything else." Turkle's “from better than nothing to better than anything” is a straw man (person) to be shot down. Like Winnicott's "good enough" mother - therapy strives to be "good enough" - trying to be perfect is another source of pathology - becoming obsessive or borderline. Now how does all that apply to performing psychotherapy online via video meeting technology? Check out this engaging conversation between Arnon and Lou about Turkle's incisive and penetrating contribution. Check out the original Youtube version: https://youtu.be/6OId-0QDFys Check out the blog post for a complete transcript: www.EmpathyLessons.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/lou-agosta-phd/support

Author and MIT professor Sherry Turkle has spent her career exploring our relationship with technology and how it impacts our lives. But in her newest book, "The Empathy Diaries: A Memoir," Turkle explores her own relationships with family, friends, and colleagues, and how those relationships helped shaped her own personality and career.

I first met Sherry Turkle about ten years ago at a conference where we spent hours chatting about how rapidly advancing technology is changing our relationships to each other and ourselves, and how that affects all sectors of society. It’s something Sherry has spent her life studying as a psychologist and sociologist at MIT. In this episode of Lead With We, I got the chance to reconnect with Sherry, who recently published a memoir called “The Empathy Diaries.” We spoke about how vulnerability is key to everything from great leadership to moving forward a society post-COVID, practicing empathy as an action, and so much more. This episode of Lead With We was produced and edited by Goal 17 Media and is available on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and Spotify. You can also watch episodes on YouTube at WeFirstTV. Sherry Turkle Sherry Turkle is the Abby Rockefeller Mauzé Professor of the Social Studies of Science and Technology at MIT and the founding director of the MIT Initiative on Technology and Self. A licensed clinical psychologist, she is the author of six books, including Alone Together and the New York Times bestseller Reclaiming Conversation, as well as the editor of three collections. A Ms. Magazine Woman of the Year, a TED speaker, and featured media commentator, Turkle is a recipient of Guggenheim and Rockefeller Humanities fellowships and a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. Resources: Connect with Sherry on LinkedIn Learn more about Sherry’s work at MIT  For case studies and other free resources about purposeful business, go to WeFirstBranding.com Check out Simon’s new book, Lead With We, now available for pre-order

American life is dominated by machines: our computers, our televisions, our phones. This has been especially true over the past year as technology kept us connected—to our jobs, our friends, our families, even our doctors. But, as the country sees the light at the end of the tunnel of the pandemic, what now? What has our reliance on technology done to us for not only the past year, but for the past decade (or longer)? Two authors, Sherry Turkle and Tiffany Shlain, will use the occasion of the publications of Turkle's new book (The Empathy Diaries: A Memoir) and the paperback version of Shlain's book (24/6: Giving up Screens One Day a Week to Get More Time, Creativity, and Connection) to have an intimate and timely discussion on the urgent need to reclaim humanity and empathy in this technological age. Turke's latest book illuminates our present search for authentic connection in a time of uncharted challenges. Her book ties together her coming-of-age and her pathbreaking research on technology, empathy and ethics. Growing up in postwar Brooklyn, Turkle searched for clues to her identity in a house filled with mysteries. She mastered the codes that governed her mother's secretive life. She learned never to ask about her absent scientist father—and never to use his name, her name. Before empathy became a way to find connection, it was her strategy for survival. Shlain's book recounts the efforts she and her family have made to gain more time, productivity, connection and presence in their lives by giving up screens for one day a week. Her book takes readers on a thought-provoking and entertaining journey through time and technology, introducing a strategy for flourishing in our 24/7 world. Drawn from the ancient ritual of Shabbat, she says that living 24/6 can work for anyone from any background. With humor and wisdom, Shlain shares her story, offering the accessible lessons she has learned and providing a blueprint for how to do it yourself. Please join for this special event about the critical need to reclaim our lives from technology. SPEAKERS Sherry Turkle Author, The Empathy Diaries: A Memoir Tiffany Shlain Author, 24/6: Giving up Screens One Day a Week to Get More Time, Creativity, and Connection In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, we are currently hosting all of our live programming via YouTube live stream. This program was recorded via video conference on March 30th, 2021 by the Commonwealth Club of California. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

American life is dominated by machines: our computers, our televisions, our phones. This has been especially true over the past year as technology kept us connected—to our jobs, our friends, our families, even our doctors. But, as the country sees the light at the end of the tunnel of the pandemic, what now? What has our reliance on technology done to us for not only the past year, but for the past decade (or longer)? Two authors, Sherry Turkle and Tiffany Shlain, will use the occasion of the publications of Turkle's new book (The Empathy Diaries: A Memoir) and the paperback version of Shlain's book (24/6: Giving up Screens One Day a Week to Get More Time, Creativity, and Connection) to have an intimate and timely discussion on the urgent need to reclaim humanity and empathy in this technological age. Turke's latest book illuminates our present search for authentic connection in a time of uncharted challenges. Her book ties together her coming-of-age and her pathbreaking research on technology, empathy and ethics. Growing up in postwar Brooklyn, Turkle searched for clues to her identity in a house filled with mysteries. She mastered the codes that governed her mother’s secretive life. She learned never to ask about her absent scientist father—and never to use his name, her name. Before empathy became a way to find connection, it was her strategy for survival. Shlain's book recounts the efforts she and her family have made to gain more time, productivity, connection and presence in their lives by giving up screens for one day a week. Her book takes readers on a thought-provoking and entertaining journey through time and technology, introducing a strategy for flourishing in our 24/7 world. Drawn from the ancient ritual of Shabbat, she says that living 24/6 can work for anyone from any background. With humor and wisdom, Shlain shares her story, offering the accessible lessons she has learned and providing a blueprint for how to do it yourself. Please join for this special event about the critical need to reclaim our lives from technology. SPEAKERS Sherry Turkle Author, The Empathy Diaries: A Memoir Tiffany Shlain Author, 24/6: Giving up Screens One Day a Week to Get More Time, Creativity, and Connection In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, we are currently hosting all of our live programming via YouTube live stream. This program was recorded via video conference on March 30th, 2021 by the Commonwealth Club of California. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

En este episodio estamos (des)aprendiendo sobre la soledad. Específicamente: De dónde viene la capacidad de estar solas/os Por qué la soledad recibe mala fama Cuál es la diferencia entre soledad y aislamiento Cómo empezar a reparar nuestra relación con la soledad Episodios complementarios para seguir la conversa: E023 - ¿Son los apegos algo "malo"? E025 - ¿Cómo hacer las paces con mi ansiedad? E055 - ¿Por qué nos anestesiamos emocionalmente? E070 - ¿Por qué el descanso es político? con Juan Diego Alvarado ¿Quieres más contenido así? Sígueme en Instagram Suscríbete a mi Newsletter Semanal Bibliografía mencionada en el episodio: Turkle, Sherry. (2011). Alone Together. New York: Basic Books. Winnicott, D.W. (1958). The capacity to be alone. International Journal of Psychoanalysis, 39(5), 416-420.

In this episode of "Keen On", Andrew is joined by Sherry Turkle, the author of "The Empathy Diaries", to discuss perception vs. reality and the blurred lines that exist in between the two "perspectives". Sherry Turkle is the Abby Rockefeller Mauzé Professor of the Social Studies of Science and Technology in the Program in Science, Technology, and Society at MIT, and the founding director of the MIT Initiative on Technology and Self. Professor Turkle received a joint doctorate in sociology and personality psychology from Harvard University and is a licensed clinical psychologist. Professor Turkle writes on the “subjective side” of people’s relationships with technology, especially computers. She is an expert on culture and therapy, mobile technology, social networking, and sociable robotics. Her newest book, The Empathy Diaries: A Memoir (Penguin Press, March 2021), ties together her personal story with her groundbreaking research on technology, empathy, and ethics. Her previous book, the New York Times bestseller, Reclaiming Conversation: The Power of Talk in a Digital Age (Penguin Press, October 2015), investigates how a flight from conversation undermines our relationships, creativity, and productivity. For media inquiries, go to http://sternspeakers.com/sherry-turkle​. Previous works include four other books about evolving relationships in digital culture (Alone Together: Why We Expect More from Technology and Less from Each Other; The Second Self: Computers and the Human Spirit; Life on the Screen: Identity in the Age of the Internet; and Simulation and Its Discontents, and one book about the history of psychoanalysis, Psychoanalytic Politics: Jacques Lacan and Freud's French Revolution. Turkle has also edited several collections on how we use objects to think with, particularly in the development of ideas about science. These include Evocative Objects: Things We Think With; Falling for Science: Objects in Mind; and The Inner History of Devices. Profiles of Professor Turkle have appeared in such publications as The New York Times, Scientific American, and Wired Magazine. She has been named “Woman of the Year” by Ms. Magazine and among the “40 under 40” who are changing the nation by Esquire Magazine. She is a recipient of a Guggenheim Fellowship, a Rockefeller Humanities Fellowship, the Harvard Centennial Medal, and is a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. Professor Turkle is a featured media commentator on the social and psychological effects of technology for CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, the BBC, and NPR, including appearances on such programs as Nightline, The Today Show, Good Morning America, Frontline, Dateline, 20/20, and The Colbert Report. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Psychologist and author Sherry Turkle of MIT talks about her book, The Empathy Diaries, with EconTalk host Russ Roberts. The Empathy Diaries is a memoir about Turkle's secretive family and how that secrecy turned Turkle into an acute observer, skilled at revealing the story behind the story. She also chronicles the early days of artificial intelligence and the evolution of the computer. Topics in this conversation include the challenges of family, the role of technology in our lives, the limits of artificial intelligence, and the importance of Bambi.

If it was not for reflective devices such as a mirror, would you know what you look like? This episodes studies how the reflection of our human identity can be biased in our modern age. ━━━━━━━━━━ References + Credits ¹ Baudrillard, J. The system of objects, 2005. ² Turkle, S. Alone together: why we expect more from technology and less from each other, 2011. ³ Epica. Façade of Reality - design + story inspired by song lyrics, 2003. ⁴ Thomasin Lockwood. Voice over. Researched, written + created by © dodi kazma, 2020.

This episode is about how we engineer personas to the natural human body in the digital age as well as how our modern existence is "shaped by tools." ¹ ━━━━━━━━━━ References + Credits ¹ Turkle, S. The second self: computers and the human spirit, 2005. ² Thomasin Lockwood. Voice over. Researched, written + created by © dodi kazma, 2020.

Good morning, Five Minute Families! We hope your week was filled with sweet blessings of fellowship and kindness. We had a wonderful weekend here at Clear View Retreat with a group of volunteers coming to help us continue to get the facility able to be open in the winter time. Believe it or not, winter will be here before we know it. If you want more information about what we do here at Clear View Retreat, please check us out at clearviewretreat.org. Last week we discussed koinonia – for a group of believers, we use the term biblical community. Here on the Five Minute Family, we have often encouraged you to put away your devices and connect to your loved ones. However, putting down your phone will do little for your family and for your biblical community if you heart isn't right with the Lord. Looking at someone else on their phone when you have put yours down and assuming they are sinning, selfish, distracted, or any of those descriptors, will do nothing for biblical community. The first listed need in Wagner's list of biblical community characteristic is for an individual believer to ‘devote daily to a personal relationship with Jesus.' John 15:5 says, “I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without me.” No matter where you go, some folks are having a rough go at it. Working folks are sick of the grind, stay-at-home parents are sick of the isolation and judgment, kids are tired of feeling like they can't measure up to their parents' or teachers' or church leaders' expectations. Someone listening here is dealing with mental health issues. Someone is being abused. Quite honestly, any relationship is only as healthy as the least healthy person in it. Turkle says in Reclaiming Conversation that “The case for conversation begins with the necessary conversations of solitude and self-reflection.” Self-reflection is key. Have you thought about how your personal relationship with Christ impacts your family and biblical community? Gal 5:13-15 tells us, “For you were called to be free, brothers and sisters; only don't use this freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but serve one another through love. For the whole law is fulfilled in one statement: love your neighbor as yourself. But if you bite and devour one another, watch out, or you will be consumed by one another.” Our family mantra is: do the right thing. How do you know what the right thing is unless you know the Truth? Hosea 6:3 says, “Let us strive to know the Lord. His appearance is as sure as the dawn. He will come to us like the rain, like the spring showers that water the land.” And Hosea 6:6 continues, “For I desire faithful love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.” Hosea is encouraging us to know the Lord. Know what is right. Know how to live in biblical community. Know how to disconnect to reconnect. We need that personal time with the Lord, so we can have a knowledge of who He is, who we are, and how we can minister to others. To start as a disciple who cares (someone who cares) we have to make sure we have a personal connection to the truth – God's Truth, which means we often have to come to realize the things we need to disconnect from and how to connect more with God. Sam Eaton said it this way, “The truth is, the only one inhibiting your ability to have strong, loving relationships is yourself (and your Netflix account).” So, we encourage each of listening this week to engage in self-reflection. Here are five prompts to get you started. Think, journal, or pray about a time you've been hurt and how God has brought you towards forgiveness. What is one goal you have to strengthen your relationship with God? What is one song that has really impacted your faith journey? What is a book that has greatly impacted your faith? When you think about reading the bible, what is the first...

Emotional intelligence is a critical component to healthy workplaces that practice psychological safety.  It is even more critical when our world has been disrupted in a way that has physically disconnected us from one another. In this episode, I speak to Teresa Quinlan,  an Entrepreneur and the Founder of the IQ+EQ=TQ formula, where we discuss the importance of knowing ourselves well enough to have the ability to think of other people first. Teresa's Bio: Teresa Quinlan is a human first and an alchemist second. She believes that the synthesis of one’s intellectual quotient (IQ), personality, and emotional quotient (EQ) is the key to breaking through one’s talent quotient (TQ). As an Entrepreneur and Founder of her personal brand and the formula IQ+EQ=TQ, she is passionate about emotional intelligence as the key ingredient to leveraging your IQ and personality. Teresa has been focused on transforming individuals, teams and organizations to greater levels of performance since 1998 and has experienced leading teams and organizations through the highest of highs and the most challenging changes.   Resources:   Turkle, Sherry.  Reclaiming Conversation.  Penguin Books, 2016.   Coronavirus containment in India: hhttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-india-slums/india-struggles-to-contain-coronavirus-enforce-lockdown-in-sprawling-city-slums-idUSKCN21R2H4   Music by Ryan Sullivan.  Contact: sullybmusic@gmail.com    

Five years ago, photographer Eric Pickersgill and his wife, Angie, were lying in bed, backs turned to one another, looking at their phones. When Pickersgill dozed off, his phone slid from his hand and hit the floor. The sound jolted him awake. As he told the BBC, he saw the scene from the perspective of the ceiling fan in his mind's eye. There he was, hand frozen in the same position, only minus the phone. He and his wife were “so close physically but psychologically and emotionally so separated from one another.” This inspired a project that depicts how technology dominates our lives, often to the detriment of our most important relationships. The remarkable series of photographs is called “Removed.” The pictures run between startling and comical. In one, a newly married couple sits on the hood of a car marked, “Just Married” staring at non-existing phones instead of each other. In another, a crowd at auction sit gazing into their empty hands as if they were at a palm-readers convention. The photos are all posed, but this project ought not be dismissed as a mere stunt. As Pickersgill told the BBC, he didn't know the people in the pictures beforehand. He saw people looking at their phones, explained his project, and asked them if they would be willing to pose. Perhaps the reason they agreed is that they saw themselves in the point he was trying to make. Of course, if any of us were photographed throughout our day, chances are we'd be caught in similar poses. Who among us is not, at some level, hitched to our glowing rectangles? As the display's curator put it, “Removed” lifts “the veil of contemporary technology's hold on our devotion.” It also reveals how much this “devotion” isolates us from other people. In her 2011 book, “Alone Together,” MIT psychologist Sherry Turkle wrote about how the technology we think gives us more control actually controls us. Our phones are, as Pickersgill graphically illustrated, the last things we look at every night and the first things we check every morning. In “Alone Together,” Turkle describes teenagers who are actually afraid of phone calls because they require a level of “intimacy” and spontaneity they cannot control. Texts and social media are conducted by us, on our own terms, and can be stage-managed and honed to ensure that others see only what we want them to see. In the eight years since Turkle's book was published, our “together aloneness” has only become more entrenched, and the psychological impact Turkle described more pronounced and more tragic. According to a recent study by the American Psychological Association, “rates of mood disorders and suicide-related outcomes [among adolescents and young adults] have increased significantly over the last decade.”  And, the researchers directly state that “The increase in adolescent major depressive episodes began after 2011, concurrent with the increased ownership of smartphones and a concomitant increase in digital media time in this age group . . .” Our devotion to our glowing rectangles isn't giving us the control we thought it would. On the contrary, it has been a key ingredient in the spread what former Surgeon General Vivek Murthy called an “epidemic of loneliness,” which is, according to Murthy, as bad for our health as smoking. Perhaps that's why people were so willing to pose for Pickersgill. Like smokers who know they should quit for their own good, maybe we understand we really would be better off without a phone in ours hands all the time. Maybe we should give it a try, even if no one is taking our picture.

The Science of the Four Temperaments, The Spiritual & The Material, Knowing your Self, Psychology, the True Reality, Adherence to the Sunnah, Relationships, Personal Experiences.   We discuss all this in-depth with Mohammed Isaaq.   Mohammed Isaaq is a student of knowledge, and has studied the science of the temperaments alongside his traditional studies. He has been teaching Arabic studies, Theology, and is heavily involved in community projects such as the OpenCircle youth initiative and Ghazali Children's Project.   Hosts : Tanzim & Malik   Please email us your comments, feedback, and questions at: info@boysinthecave.com, and leave a review and 5-star rating on iTunes!   Check out our website - boysinthecave.com   Follow us on: Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/boysinthecave/   Instagram – @boysinthecave   Twitter - @boysinthecave   Become a Patreon today! https://www.patreon.com/boysinthecave   Check out Mizan Avenue! https://www.facebook.com/mizanavenue/ https://www.instagram.com/mizan_avenue/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mohammed Isaaq's Visibility https://www.mohammedisaaq.com/ https://www.facebook.com/isaaq.mohammed https://www.instagram.com/isaaq.mohammed/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shownotes Tanzim:                              00:00:01 Assalamu Alaykum Welcome back to another of boys in the cave. My name is Tanzim your cohost for today and I'm also joined by a special cohost. Many of you may know him in Sydney, Malik. Um, he's the founder of Mizan Avenue in Sydney. MashAllah has a lot of stories to share, so I'm really excited for this and Alhamdullilah he also does amazing work in the community. And I'll put the links to Mizan Avenue in our show notes in shaa Allah, everyone around the world can inshallah check it out and alhamdullilah We're joined by someone very special today. Our special guests is Isaaq Muhammad. He's a secondary school mathematics teacher by profession, student of knowledge and has studied the science of the temperament alongside his traditional studies. He has been teaching Arabic Studies, theology and he's heavily involved in community projects such as the open circle youth initiative and Ghazali children's projects so Assalamu alaykum Isaaq and umm Malik and welcome to boys in the cave (Walaykum Assalam). Um, I know you touched down not too long ago in Sydney. Uh, and he did a workshop actually with the four temperaments and that was sold out aye Malik, Malik:                                 00:01:26 yea subhanAllah It's sold out. The first one sold out in less than 48 hours. And then we open up another session the following day and that also sold out. Um, it was an incredible, incredible workshop, but I'll let them hammer talk about that. Tanzim:                              00:01:38 Yes, I have. How'd you find, well, how was the experience with that? Just come to Sydney and teaching the courses? Isaaq:                                  00:01:43 Yeah, it was, um, it was nice. Uh, they actually asked me yesterday, um, you know, how was this different to the other ones? And I think, um, you know, I, I thought about it quite a bit and I think, uh, I just felt like the, the crowd, the audience, uh, the seekers, the students already, I felt like they were ready and that that 48 hours, the fact that the tickets were sold out in 40 hours for the first program just shows and reflect the intentions of the people. Because when they saw that it wasn't really based off of actually having studied the four temperaments or having sat in a class with me or something. But it was them reading the title, knowing yourself and they had a plea when they signed up to a law saying I would like to know myself. And it's also the intentions. It's always in the intentions. They can anything in any person, in any thing for anything to be off something. It's in the intentions when the intentions are there, the act has a weight to it. When the intentions aren't there. Then you miss out on on really taking anything from the act, Tanzim:                              00:02:46 Mashallah and with, because you open up the washer on Saturday, I think you did the Sunday one because he got sold out. It seems like people around the world, cause you've traveled around the world going to different cities. People are really yearning for this sort of stuff. Yeah. And what's your experience been about that in particular at this point in time? Isaaq:                                  00:03:03 Well you think that, you know, after having taught the same class 20 times in over like seven countries, that it would get boring or it would get repetitive or in some way it would be come a bit mundane and that energy wouldn't be there. And he witnessed the two classes on the weekend and he also witnessed how different both classes were. Because when it's knowing yourself, then it's your responses as someone who's in the class you, it's your journey. The teachers, there is only there to facilitate, but it's your journey and whatever. And however you respond on whatever steps you take and how strong your steps are, how from your sub site and your responses and your engagement in the workshop. It's not that it's for six hours or for four hours. I mean, people who study full time would have a difficult time to see in one class for six hours straight. Isaaq:                                  00:03:49 But when it's a workshop, uh, there's far more engagement and in that's why each of them have been very different. Every single second. Not one session has been the same for me in, in all these different places. And that's why, uh, you know, it's, it's uh Alhamdullilah, you know, the response of people is the success of, and I always share it with people like the role responses. Um, and it's amazing. It's on it, it's a pleasure to just have like facilitated it by whatever degree, but it's them just getting closer to themselves and the so much in that Tanzim:                              00:04:19 and molecule actually in the classes. How was your experience in general and just for the audience, can you clarify what is hoc kind of cities huck a specializes in? Malik:                                 00:04:28 I'll get him to clarify that, but what I'll talk about is pretty much the, yeah, for my experience. I think the program, and I was speaking to Isaaq about this yesterday, that you know, a lot of times where we do classes, um, you know, a lot of the teachers are pretty much articulating what our tradition says and sometimes it can get very theoretical. But what I found with this program was that it was very practical and he forced people to really, uh, to think about their relationship with themselves first and then their relationship with the last panel town. And in that it was very confronting for, even for myself. And I've sat through these, uh, previously as well, and I've known him for quite some time and he's explained, um, you know, the four temperaments and the science, uh, to me, but Sydney for the program, it is quite confining and you're starting to pick up on things that you knew about yourself, but it was like you're doing like subconsciously, uh, and then you starting to realize, you know, this is my temperament, these are my weaknesses. And being really real with yourself with what your weaknesses are. And then starting starting to think about, you know, how can I motivate those weaknesses? Um, and how can I, you know, just be real with myself. Um, so I think for a lot of people that was confronting, but there was a lot of beauty in that because it's now I have to be real with myself so I can get closer to my Lord. Uh, so I think that was incredible. Isaaq:                                  00:05:59 Um, but yeah, I think Muhammad, uh, for those who don't know about the science of four temperaments, uh, could you explain that? Yeah. Um, so the science itself is, uh, is one that goes back around two and a half thousand years, uh, all the way to the group, all the, all the way to the Greeks actually. Um, and it was originally, uh, looked at from a physician's perspective, uh, how do we deal with the human beings condition physiologically. So there's illnesses that start to come about, um, uh, there's illnesses and how can we treat those illnesses. So it's foundations were in traditional medicine. Um, but as it continued, there was also other theories that were coming about, such as Plato in, in, in his republic, he speaks about four chief virtues. Um, so there was separate discoveries sort of taking place, um, in different theories and studies of the human being of the human condition and all these different, uh, from these different perspectives. Isaaq:                                  00:06:51 But as time went on, the, you know, scientists of these, of these, uh, sciences started to make connections. And especially when been seen, our came under, the Muslims came across the science because the science was in line with the [inaudible]. So this was [inaudible], you know, the, the Greek medicine. But it was in line with prophetic medicine. Um, but they also started to make these connections between these four temperaments, these four chief temperaments, uh, and, uh, the behavior of a human being. And it was in line with what the teachings of the prophets [inaudible] was. So you had the contributions by someone like even been seen. And then in mammoth has Ali, if you look at in the disciplining the soul, he's, he's actually referring to the four chief virtues and how they are, how they correlate to the human being, these four temperaments. So, you know, the science was vast. Isaaq:                                  00:07:39 And then you had many other scholars, uh, [inaudible] sooty many scholars who wrote a book on [inaudible] but also books in other sciences such as interfere books. Uh, these four temperaments are actually referenced. And there was a student who actually came to me and he said, he said, I'm so glad you're teaching this stuff. Uh, he said, because when I was studying to see, um, he said, I started looking at these terms and it's demo he and balcony. And he said, I hadn't had, I didn't have a clue what that means. Uh, he's a technically when I read the mov, Eh, the translation was like a bloody person them, right. And Belica me was a Flemmi person. What does that mean? The Flemmi temperament. So there's so [inaudible] and anyone who wrote it of seed was a polymath. So they had studied the sciences. That's why they were referencing the sciences. Isaaq:                                  00:08:28 And if you do study tough series, you have to be qualified to have studied all these other sciences to truly understand what that [inaudible] is saying. But anyway, and so, so that's its role in our tradition. And it was continued all the way to two. When modern medicine came, it was sort of rejected only because certain things weren't, um, weren't seen by, by scientists who, you know, it's empiricism, it's, uh, what can we see a and see because they couldn't see certain of the four fluids and they rejected it. However, in psychology it's pretty much there. Um, but the science itself, to put it simply, it's essentially is essentially saying that all human beings have these four fluids within them. And one of them is a dominant one is a sub dominant, and then the other two are there. So in each of us we have this and this combination results in, in who you are. Isaaq:                                  00:09:12 This is your nature as opposed to your as a, as a p as opposed to your nurture. So are nurturing could be different, but your natures are the same. And if you work out your temperament and you can work out, for example, if you two here had the same nature though, you would think you're also different via your nurturing. You would say for example, son tonight I want to go to the cinema. And he would say, I want to go to the theater. That's because of your nurturing. You're probably used to cinemas and he's used to the theater. Um, but if you look at your nature, your nature might be sanguine for example, that likes entertainment. And so we can find out that where you guys meet. And that's the beauty of the science is all about universals. It's not about the particulars that we experienced as human beings. Isaaq:                                  00:09:51 It's the universals. And once you get into the universals and anyone has experienced universals, it's one of the most powerful tools you can ever get. The Koran hadith all university speaking, uh, Rumi's poetry, universal. Most poetry spoke poetry universals. That's why they, they appeal to different human beings of different backgrounds, right? Because it's speaking to me at a universal level and that's what this, it gives you the tools. It gave me the tools that I never had any intention to actually put this workshop together. Originally, I just used the science where I studied it and I wanted to just, um, eh, I just used it upon myself for a number of years. I'd say about three years. I just used it on myself. And when I came back, uh, one of my sisters actually, she wasn't really convinced in the science because she wasn't settled in. She was, she's at a particular temperament now. Isaaq:                                  00:10:42 It makes sense to me why she wasn't convinced. And eventually after looking at her through this lens, I realized she's a melancholic. So she needs the detailed explanations upon a lot. So I put the detailed explanation together for her. And I invited the friends and family and they all came and they loved it because everyone finds themselves. And when I show it show, it comes to this, he said, he goes, ah, do you know why the Beatles are so successful? Because each of them with a full clear archetypes of the four temperaments. So Parnell, and so when, when people saw them, they saw a complete group first and foremost. And secondly, everyone could appeal to them. And, and this isn't just exclusive to that. I mean, in the Catholic tradition, they was sitting temperaments six months before people would get married, just so they can understand the enough's their universal, that they're the part of themselves that just doesn't really entirely change. Isaaq:                                  00:11:34 Uh, and so it's, it's crucial. This is the science and, um, you know, many, uh, you know, Shit. Yeah. Here I was saying that it's, it's, uh, it's a, of a, it's, it's extremely important for parents to know the temperaments of their children so they can look after them properly as well. You know, and if you have two different temperament in the same household who have the same nurture, they have two different, very, two different experiences in the same household. And you ever come across that two siblings in the same household, same nurturing, the two very different experiences. One of the, one of them says, ah, they just didn't get me. They just don't get me. And the other one stays [inaudible] right? [inaudible] and then the other one says, uh, why are you weird? Why don't you just accept things that look as perfect mom and dad did a, you know, it's a friend did a good job, but it works. Isaaq:                                  00:12:22 But it works for your temperament. It doesn't work for the other one's temperament. And we've spoken about the same temperaments on a macro level, on a, uh, on a political, geopolitical level. Looking at this, it's just that the scope of it is so vast. Seoul vast, uh, you can look at understanding political positions by or temperaments. You can look at people reacting to uh, global, uh, or at least, uh, you know, certain events within their communities and that their responses are actually temperament based and to [inaudible] on a macro level and on a micro level, on a, a within a household. How do people respond within the household and then how do you respond with yourself? And that's what we do at the knowing of program is to sit with yourself first and foremost. You know, mostly people do these personality and I've going on quite a bit, but people do these personality tests. Isaaq:                                  00:13:14 People say to me, why don't you put a questionnaire in the workshop? I say, because mostly when people do question is just lying to themselves. It's just what they want. And I always say to people, when we did ask those questions in the work, I asked these universal based questions after they've done a lot of reflecting and ask these questions and people write the answers down and then I say, okay, now imagine if your sibling was next to you or your close friend was next to you. What would they say about your answers? And then you see people laughing cause it's very different because you're diluted. Unfortunately we are all very have some form of delusion with ourselves. We, yeah, that's why there's such a dissonance in our communities. Even when myself and there's this, there's this dissonance that starts to happen and unless we faced that, these uncomfortable emotions that we sit with absolutely sit with it first and foremost, people are sick. That's why they just mask it away. And this run off to something else Tanzim:                              00:14:03             I bought two points to bring up. One would be just to, cause I do want to go deep into like the temperaments itself. So people, um, whoever listening to this can kind of gate get an idea of who they are as well. But just a critique of 'em the four temperaments. Some people may say, oh I'm saying this, I don't know if other people say this but you know, for example, cause I come from business economics background as well. So for example, when you people, when they see certain situations occur in the world, they take a economical lens. So they're like, okay, I'm going to read this through economics. And get an understanding of what's happening. So I can not predict what will happen in the future. This and that. Would you say that some people may say that you have the four him human temperaments, but you're reading people but you're reading through a lens of seeing it as the forehead human temperaments, but you can critique that Lendl like what would your response, Isaaq:                                  00:14:53 yeah, so, so there's always that case of um, know maybe you're looking at it from this perspective and if we would state that perspective out of it, then we can still look at the human being via other lenses. Uh, the difference. And, and that's true. Like of course you can, you can ignore the temperament and you can just look at things from a different lens that, that the difference days is that that's all particular base. So you studied a particular science, you will see the world based on your particulars. So if you study business, you will always see things by our business lens naturally or whatever else you've euro by in your life. The difference here is, is once you start to factor in the temperaments in your perspective. So even looking at it from a business perspective, what I'll say to you is, is the four temperaments, there's, so even within your class, for example, in a business studies class or there's four different types of, uh, of, of ways of looking at it from a business perspective and these four, this, this way of looking at it, why are these four our constants? Isaaq:                                  00:15:45 So for example, when I was putting this project together, I, if I, I thought this signs was like a lost science. And advertising companies till today are using the same science to identify, identify four different types of, uh, of, uh, of consumers. Uh, there's many different, um, there's the disc analysis. I don't know if you've ever heard of the disc analysis. It's based on the four temperaments. There's the behavioral theory via these colors for, based on these four, Myers-Briggs 16. Right? It's a combination of the four temperament. So, you know, if someone doesn't need it, doesn't want to look at it via that Lens, that's fine. You don't have to. But what I would say to them is this, but give it a go and it'll never be the same guarantee. It'll never be the same because you'll start to see an important part of the human being. Isaaq:                                  00:16:29 We aren't just our particulars. In fact, there's other parts of ourselves we're not looked at. Normally. When I, I introduced the science, I sort of draw a square on the, on the board and I say, what shape is this? And people say it's a square and I just draw it from changing his perspective perspective at night and I draw the rest of the basically is a cube. And I say just by changing it we've realized it's a completely different shape to what we thought by changing our perspective. And this is the, the key. So that business person who says, oh, but I'm looking at it from this lens and you're looking at it from that lens difference between me and you is as I'm saying, I'm looking at it from both. And if I know more, I look at it via other lenses and that's the best, the beauty of a liberated mind is able to be to consider all these different perspectives when dealing with a human being. That's called holistic, a holistic approach. Tanzim:                              00:17:13 I've got a, um, point to add in here cause um, I've set this in like every podcast is a, um, book, um, code, um, something, something success to achieve six off what the title of the book. But it gives you, you would have been familiar with this picture of this woman that's like a beautiful looking woman and it is another, but in the book it says people, most people see it as a beautiful woman, but there's another perspective and they, in the book it tells you you don't flip to the next page until you see the other perspective. And I'm like, I can't, I can't see it in any other way. And then I think another page actually tells you it's like an old woman. So I'm like, the hell, how's this? How's this gonna work? So I've been looking, I lose looking at for like 20 minutes. I'm like, I can now see it now. Actually see, cause the way the pictures made, B can be looked at birth at a as a beautiful woman or very old and depressing looking woman. So I'm like, it's kind of links. Yeah. Isaaq:                                  00:18:04 Isn't it interesting that once you, so you spend those 20 minutes about once you see her, Tanzim:                              00:18:09 you can never unsee. Yeah. That's the beauty of training the mind. Isaaq:                                  00:18:13 Once you see, you can never unsee. And one of the reasons why this for temperament works in people come in as critical and skeptical. And I always say give it a chance because I'm yet to see someone who's by the end completely rejected. The only reason why you accept it. And even myself, the first time I did it, I thought I wasn't too sure about it. Still at the end of it I said, I'm not sure. But the reason why it works is because you've already experienced the four temperaments. You experienced them in nature, the four seasons. You experienced them via the four elements. In fact, you know, when I first used to do the workshop, I would describe the four temperaments to people themselves. So I would speak about the four temperaments, uh, and it's, you know, the strengths and weaknesses and so on. But more recently I've changed that approach where actually, uh, I oppose it. There's an activity that we do where I ask everyone to describe one of the elements. I see. Describe fire as a person, Tanzim:                              00:19:08 like angry, aggressive, and people keep going. And it's amazing because you keep going. I'm really short tempered, um, destructive. Um, not beautiful. Um, one blanking. Sorry. Thanks. A podcast. Maybe that's, sorry. Yeah, no, but just look at those four that you mentioned. Yeah. Isaaq:                                  00:19:30 The start over the four of the five or six that you mentioned. Um, all of those can and, and the more you do it and the more you go through it, so it's not very transparent, it's straightforward and very powerful. Um, has a presence. These eventually, as you start to look at this archetype of a personality fits many people that we know. Tanzim:                              00:19:49 Yeah, no lie. Yeah. Your name jumps into my mind. And isn't that amazing? You only did six of them. Imagine in a classroom Isaaq:                                  00:19:55 people, and we don't just stick with the one. I mean I sat with the one answer that you gave, but he's been there. Whenever anyone says anything, I say, what do you mean? And then they describe it. So when someone says, Oh, fire is harmful, for example, what do you mean? Oh, if I get too close to it or even if I'm far away, I'm feeding it. There's people out there that when they come into the room, we just know of their presence, even if they are on the opposite side of the room, even if they're not in my conversation over here, but they're over there, whereas there's the water type. Right. Uh, and, and, and if I were to describe water, how would you describe water? Tanzim:                              00:20:26 Um, calm, chilled, um, introverted but bit more intelligent in the sense that I can kind of transition into like conversations without creating too much of a fuss. Just see. What do you think he's, what do you think you could work at? You can work out what he is by. The answers that he gave are really fire. How useful fire Isaaq:                                  00:20:48 was from the perspective of war. So you put your po for water, you spoke far more positively Malik:                                 00:20:55 then you did for fire. I think it's the same Ryan a right? Yeah. And you spoke about speaking, you almost escaping yourself. Yeah. Isaaq:                                  00:21:03 And I've only just met you father and you could, I mean I asked you that question that what you just said about water that the character sees that you gave. Not entirely. I'm not saying that we, some of you all are you into these things that you mentioned, but this is describing another type of a person that we know. What's also interesting is what a person would look at fire as sometimes harmful. Whereas if asked to fire people, they would say fire's useful. It's true. They are from the perspective of fire. Yeah. Now I've just given you like like two, like, like 1% of it. Imagine we sit and we discuss some people, people with listening, thinking, oh that's a bit too simple. Honestly, it is kind of simple. So we have this constant conversation. Are we all entirely unique? And is it case by case with all human beings or is it one size fits all? And what this science is providing us is it's not one size fits all. No, is it, we're all entirely unique. We're somewhat predictable from some perspective. Mashallah, Malik:                                 00:22:01 the summit. So many questions, comment on why. Yeah, that's what I always happens. I think we were talking about it during our car rides. Um, and you were talking about just sitting with yourself and I think that's something that this program forces you to do, just to sit with yourself and with your thought and pretty much a nurturing everything that you bring to the table. All right. Um, I mean, one of the first experience, first experience of just sitting with myself properly, I think we'll together in Turkey and we shared more tile and we did this exercise of just one October, which is to find stillness. And we just sat there for how long would you say? About an hour roughly. And just on a stepfather and just sitting there with our thoughts. And it's also very confronting. Right. But you said something incredible in your linkedin with the had youth of Jupiter aide. Uh, I wanted you to explain that. Isaaq:                                  00:22:55 Yeah. So in Hudis Braille, um, we see the first thing that happens in all of this hadith is this man enters. So you familiar with how these degrade yet as he enters, uh, and the way he is the [inaudible] as we know, uh, when he see he sits with the profits a lot of of, but if we, if we look at the description of how he sat with the profits or like us on them, how was it, how was he described as sitting with a private seller SLO? Very close to him. Yeah. The description was his knees. His hands were upon the, other than he was knee to knee. So have you ever sat with a human being knee to knee? No. That'd be a bit weird. I thought. Right? Isn't that interesting? That in today's time we don't do that? Yeah. Imagine if someone was that close. Isaaq:                                  00:23:38 Let me see if I can move this a little bit closer to you right now. How did it feel the moment I just came a little bit closer. You actually use just voided eye contact in just a moment as you follow up a little bit exposed. This is no, that's what we were being taught that in the classroom. That's your approach with a teacher. You have to be pretty much present that close and you don't have to physically be that close. But your attention, what you bring to that, that interaction is, is sitting with this presence. But my question is is that if that's all we're told to be, to have a real conversation, to have a real intimate conversation where, and you know, unfortunately this one world intimacy is lost. That's why the definition of intimacy is a joke. Tanzim:                              00:24:20 Yeah. To bounce a few. Um, I know that because in nowadays like, cause I like reading about like orientalism and stuff. So how the British came to India, they came as a white man with a suit and all that. So they came in and tried to implant meant the education system. Right. And so their version of the education system or how you have to be educators that have classrooms, have the teacher at the front of the board and we've kind of a doctor in this day and age as well. But then what they didn't realize is that you can actually gain experiential knowledge through, you know, Susie Sufism will prevail in the India Day with like many Sufi orders and stuff as well. But they were blind to see that, you know, they thought their way was the only way to gain, you know, knowledge is to, you know, one teacher at the front of the board for board and you have the whole class. But what you've described is actually, you know, if you look at, um, Islamic history, I think, um, [inaudible] don't have like a circle and people really close. That's how we learn. Isaaq:                                  00:25:16 Isn't that interesting? That that's how we learned with other human beings. What about ourselves? Have we ever sat with ourselves in that manner? Have we ever been that close with ourselves? This is what Malik was, was getting at. That what you're forced to do in those moments of sitting with yourself is your exposed to yourself. You know, if you just say quiet for a moment and you just reflect, why is it people are so an easy in those and they, oh, they can't do it half the time. And we'd be do at the start of the session is because all this stuff's asked to come to surface and I don't want to deal with it, sire. I'd rather just talk about something else, right? But what you're supposed to do, sit with that for a while. Start to compartmentalize it, and you can start to make sense of yourself even in that situation. Isaaq:                                  00:25:59 It's interesting that you went to, and no doubt that was the case and what the British and the influence that that happened during that period. But right here, right now, what can we do about it, right? What we can do about it and what I can do about it. And this is all about empowering the south. This was why it's called knowing yourself, not knowing others because you can known or know others. You can observe them. But we want to try to observe, observe ourselves for a while because the power, most of it lies within ourselves. In fact, this was called m a R K and mom cause Ali called his book the Alchemy of happiness, which is essentially by yourself. You are the base methods and how via your own process, by and by knowledge of yourself, you can transform yourself into gold. So it's all within within the staff and that's why I lost [inaudible] la. Come on full circle. Isaaq:                                  00:26:50 Very or you believe you know literary trasy La come officer come there, you know you'll yourself is upon you and in a, in a slightly looser translation is take care of yourselves. Another, the chronic loss aes, one out of [inaudible] and a [inaudible] for unsal, hormone facade, Hula would fire support. Whenever we hear versatile Koran on two things to do, isn't it? Look out for the nouns and look out for the verbs. Nan's indicate to you, do you want to be a part of that group or not? So if you want, if you don't want to be a part of that group, then avoid their verbs. And if you want to be a part of that group, then follow their verbs. And also you can find if you are from them. Cause if you're doing that verb then you know which group allows pointing you in right now in that current state. Isaaq:                                  00:27:28 So when you see will I go home on fast? So you here is the fast six, right? The transgressors the one who go above the above and beyond the boundaries. So what does he say? He says and he's also wanting, using well outer corner like don't be killed Lavina like those not so low. Forgot a and, and you know, it'd be interesting to ask people what would, what do you think would the B would be the response or what would the law say about those who forget a lot. And you would think that in a modern understanding it would probably be, you know, they would get punished or they will do some scene or something like that. What is the last day? Well at a conical Lithion and a salon for unsolved fuss, a home, you know, hit the response of a gang us, he made them forget themselves. Isaaq:                                  00:28:10 So the people that we know, we've met in our lives who are busy and preoccupied with everyone else but themselves are some of the most ugliest in character people to be around and irritating and causing discomfort. There's already a discomfort in idea. I know my own sins. Oh you add onto it like I'm, you know, and I, you know, I met this one student of knowledge once and I was so happy to see how much he'd been studying and I asked him also, what project are you working on? Cause I like to see that the guys who've been studying to be a bit creative and how can we take this to the next level? You know, that what we've learned and, and he said, I'm writing a reputation against an, and it was a pen as a predominant Scott or like a really famous scholar. Isaaq:                                  00:28:55 And I thought what a waste of it. Like [inaudible] do not have your own sins to be writing a reputation to your soft lane. I'll be that unaware of ourselves that that in my day with the sense that I have that I'm going to spend this day talking about what when I do that workshop I just get a free therapy session for myself cause I'm of one of the temperaments and I'm constantly reminded of like where I'm going wrong cause I'm going wrong, we're all going wrong and things. But this is the, this is the, the, it's very, very interesting. And then you link that with the other versus [inaudible] of the lot of salon where he sees man hustle Islam or murder Taco Humala yeah, from the beauty of a person's Islam, which is also interesting about elicited this, I mean hustle Islam and Hustle Islam. Like you know, you can just look at that statement or that phrase, sorry, mean hustle Islam from the beauty of a person. Isaaq:                                  00:29:49 Islam from a beautiful Islam. So the fact that he saying beautiful Islam, is there another part to Islam? Could there be an ugly Islam or the ugliness of an Islam? And he says, men Hustler Islam and mud of a person Turkle who to leave Marla I knee that which does not concern him that which has no Montana for him. No meaningful him. So you know all these people when they, when they focused on, sorry about that nod. So when people are focused on others, right, what type of Islam is that? But when you're focused on c from P, your purpose is to leave that which is a concern. You wha what he, what he or she is going through it. Realism has no meaningful me and that becomes a beautiful Islam now. And isn't it beautiful when we meet those people who are just, no. Someone says, how did you hear about so and so did was I got to do with me? And you just find a peace. The moment someone says that the unrest that was in your heart that caused you to speak cause that's how it works. Most people speak cause of an unrest going on and they speak Lydia Brown measures. I was a very interesting to think about that. But when that happens and someone just diffuses it, I as no mean Tanzim:                              00:30:53             I wanted to ask is, um, even from my perspective, I feel that I might be wrong. I'm like, you know, Russell are so some may have had what? Like we follow the HEDIS, we do our best. We can, um, to emulate his character. But wouldn't that mean that he has like one temperament and then we all have to become one Isaaq:                                  00:31:12 permitting eventually non or [inaudible]. The point really isn't to become one temperament. The point is to balance ourselves to be the appropriate, to display the appropriate temperament in whatever the situation requires me to be. Sometimes the situation requires me to be an inner energetic sandwich. Sometimes the situation requires to me be to be an intense melancholic, diminish time to study. There's no time to be a distracted sanguine yes, it's a time for me to be, uh, a focus, serious studying melancholic. When it's time for me to set up an organization or work with an organization, it's time for me to be cleric and to get up and go right. Or when an injustice is taking place for me to speak about it. It's time for me to be cleric. But when there's a lot of noise taking place and everyone's, everyone's getting their comments in, then it's time for me to be phlegmatic and just be a bit passive right now and be peaceful and avoid conflict. Isaaq:                                  00:32:05 So what the province has on display, he displayed perfectly each, he displayed the best response to any situation. That's what we need to work towards. And what you see in the foreclosure far is you see, you do see is very interesting, honestly is like the arrows example you just gave and you see that one and then you see them by the end of their lives and you see almost, you see this growth, which is quite difficult to understand sometimes because the melancholic temperament, that intense deep, sometimes almost timid to be able to in his later on in his to display such great. Uh Oh such great courage. Like Abu bakr RA who did not let, I want to say I speak about the negatives of any of them, but you know, our motto, the law at the start of it, he was, he's a clearly a collogue temperament and you see how he was as a person, as a cleric and how he, Eh, like in the Jahiliyyah Times, how many Arabs actually carried out those Jahiliyyah principles. Do you think all of them did that? No. Only those fiery cleric types we took on those principles and did that. But when Islam came, look what he did with the principles of Islam. Tanzim:                              00:33:15 Well, no, it's like, um, what you said about exercising the right temperament the right time. I know like O'Mara younger who we know through the Sierra very, you know, out there, um, at times portrayed as angry, um, he just wants to like kill someone that did something wrong. But then when he becomes Kaylee, like you'd be crying on the minbar run alone, Isaaq:                                  00:33:34 almost displaying the, displaying the complete opposite of his, her temperament. You know why that was? Because they had the best soft development going on under the best temp, under the best mentor ever. Tanzim:                              00:33:44 And even Apple Walker or the on who act, people seem as soft easily to push around. And I know that, you know, the was, he became like more fierce and stern and had to like deal with that situation as well. And even on a, I'm Omar Radovan who like, I think what people have said, I think even during the time of [inaudible] with his family, he said that if, um, his daughters came up to him, he would just be giving them anything you want. Like not exercising that character of, you know, aggressiveness. What we seem to think it has in the public. Isaaq:                                  00:34:15 Yeah. Because what happens when you give fire a system, if you leave fire without a system, it'll just burn the forest down. But if you give it a system, which is what they need, then you see that fire running steam engines and covering vastus distances. And in fact, when you look at his expansion, the expansion and the Ahmad was the greatest expansion over the fall. So it's like controlling my and look what it's able to do. Control Water and look at the balance that uh, the, the, the, the, the response that has a man had Rhodiola. I know, but again, to not, I mean sometimes people who don't have an understanding of the four temperaments properly, we look at what we're saying right now and maybe misunderstand, and this is why I always say to people as we're doing the workshop halfway through a new kind of did this as well. Isaaq:                                  00:35:02 And this is national id. This is, once we start looking at the four temperament, we start looking at that person that we know. Then we start working at the, formulating our understandings or co constructing our understandings of the four archetypes based on that person. And that's when you make a blend that don't do that. Don't, don't say so alma is the correct. No, just say understand the caloric. Once you understand the cleric, once you understand the science, once you understand the principle, well, once you understand that the archetype, then you make sense of awareness of everything else. But once you understand it properly and that's why you need, you have to study the science problem. And I think what Malik:                                 00:35:38 you were saying in terms of the federal actually dean, the best schooling that they had was that also sys on them and kind of connect into your point about, you know, traditional settings. Um, and I think if you look at any perfect traditional sending, which the Paul Sys on have set out for us was that, you know, he came in as a person who was not teaching us theology who came as a person, this is what I want to be. Our teacher says that he was experiencing gone. Right? And so now because we don't have the prophesies them, you know, we're trying to articulate that experience. Right? And so, which is important. I think what the prophesies tell him did, he gave him the proper dosage to every single one of them. And their training ground was like second to none. And I think, which is why, you know, when we're taught [inaudible] for example, you can go through the attributes of a loss of a handle, Tyler, right? Malik:                                 00:36:33 But what our teacher says is that does a really resonate with you, a will to sit down and think about La. And when you do that properly, right, you're sitting with yourself first, right? And you're reflecting on, you know, the attributes of God and all these, or all the attributes of the last panel to Ireland and the profits, uh, Cetera, which is why I find, you know, this is a natural step to really sit down with yourself and to know yourself and where you fit. And then everything else, just, it's like that Meese missing puzzle puzzle right now. So I'll move out of people. Isaaq:                                  00:37:10 50 odd, 60 71 ladies who, 17 California. She said to me in the workshops, she said, and I wish I knew this when I was younger, when I was raising my children. She said, but you know, at least I can use that. My grandchildren, they're a 50 year old man came. And he was quite skeptical about that. His temperament throughout the workshop is quite skeptical I could sees from his reactions. And then he came up to me and he said to me, uh, he goes, uh, I'm a physicist. They both started laughing and then, uh, and then he just said, he goes 50 years. And he goes, and I had questions I can never get the answers for, but I never find the answers for you. So now I'll find it. And that's not because this workshop is also amazing or anything like that. It's because the science is the, it's always been, the human beings have always been using that science, maybe two and a half thousand years, far more consistent than the other ones. Isaaq:                                  00:38:02 Right. You know, the, think about it, all these TVs out there, and you've got this theory that lasted two and half thousand years and it's still being developed. And so, uh, you know, and it's, it's worked in so many different environments, so many different, um, people have different backgrounds. And, uh, it's just been an honor and a pleasure really. Honestly, people look at this and they say, Oh, you know, it seems like it's a successful project. It's whatever allows, want, wants it to be in terms of a success. We don't measure success by how things manifest in this world. That's not how we measure success. We don't measure success. You can't measure success of this podcast based on the hits. You measured the success as Russell told us, how do we measure success in the Malott Amal, who've been Nia, you intended this to change the life of this podcast to change the life of a million people. Isaaq:                                  00:38:53 Then that's why you'll get your milk Yammer if you've sincerely believed that that's all. It's a good memory for myself. Sometimes I get caught up with the stats [inaudible] and that's why we do that moment at the start where we ask ourselves one of the activities you do at the start. Maybe you can do this with yourself right now and maybe those who are anyone's listening, even listening to this podcast. The question I'll ask you is to ask yourself, why are you here? Why did you set this up right now? Why are those who are listening, listening, answer that question in your mind? Can I answer it low? You can answer it a lot. But the reason I would say is answer in your mind is because it's far more raw in your mind and it's, it's far more real in your mind. And then ask people to write it down. Isaaq:                                  00:39:35 But if you do want to share it because you're strong boy. Yeah, go on. Go on tiger. So while we started was, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like just a reason. No, no. I'm asking right now cause we have to, when we talk about heart, what's your heart saying right now? Why are you here right now? I know what you did it then. I mean I'm sure we can have that conversation and that, but that's about the podcast there. Bob, what about here? And now, when did you wake up and set this thing? Or what did you respond to? Malik's text. Right? And pause there. And now ask yourself is very different almost. Right? But that's the real talk. Welcome to being real, right? Yeah. So now let's go with that and why that, why did you want that? Alright. So even though we were listening and you keep going and we do this at the start, we just keep going. Isaaq:                                  00:40:32 Why? And then there's a bunch of people who have said settle there and see. So as I'm doing it, there's others who are like, you were like thinking and you see the smile coming by and like, really? I didn't see that coming. And there's others out there who, right, why am I here? Oh Law, what a Saudi, he [inaudible], he a lost the seeking a lost pleasure and the pleasure of the soul to put it down. And they sit there like this. And I say, why that? Why are you seeking a law? You have a throw by that. And they go, oh, okay. It's not that transfer is the natural answer. And it's a good answer. But keep going and really find out why, why you're here. Cause the, for the first time in your life, you're probably gonna hear, you're probably going to hear the statement of your current state. Isaaq:                                  00:41:21 It's very interesting to hear that because it might not be nice, but if you can tune it, it becomes beautiful. Becomes incredibly beautiful. That's why when that mom and that Russell Sass and was sitting into the tree arresting and that man came with the sword and he said, oh Muhammad, who's going to save you from me? What are the sole source mc? Just take that in for a moment. Resting. You know what? What happens in Viet, we're resting for a moment and someone say something and you just respond with what our state is responding and that's why in the morning what you think are gives you an indication as to where your state is for that day. If you run to your business, if you're onto your phone, if you're antici see the stats and that's what you're at, that's where you're at, man. Yeah, that's where you're at. But what was the Russell sort of some state, the moment he a law and one of the wire, I'll say that when he said a law, he said it again and again and again is imagine that all sorts of fun sitting there. This guys look at is there a law, a law, a law [inaudible] and then, and then what happened? Then the metaphysical reality of the [inaudible] sort of affected the physical reality, the physics of that man. What happened after that? He dropped the sword. Isaaq:                                  00:42:43 He ended up here. Then there are some picked 11 and boy, today's who is going to save you from me? Well she your state saying what's interesting about that as well, going back to now, man, I'm in the app, right? So that person might never had the intention to kill the pro's ice on them. All right? But we only in control of their intention, I lie, controls the outcome. So even though he had the intention to kill a, like control the outcome, and that's with everything, it's like really deep. It's like the, the immaterial affecting the physical. Exactly. Philosophy. 100% right? 100% and that's why like, oh, this is quite deep. What is this called? Human interaction. Welcome to the club. Right? Unless we used these only because this is action. Action, right? This button, which is action buttons, right? Just respond. But under this, the actions, actions, the human being is far more. And if I sat here just being this person, I'm supposed to be in this podcast, then we'll just have the conversation up to that level. But if I start to be rebate more real, I'm as to why I'm really, yeah, you don't think I was answering when I asked the wise even I was answering those and I love it because every time I read the workshop, I'm there writing my own intentions as well. Isaaq:                                  00:43:58 Why am I here? And then, you know, it was amazing. One of the girls in the, in the workshop yesterday, she said, ah, Sunday she said, and the students, she said, oh, it's just like the five why's at Toyota. I was like, wow. She says, oh, into altar. They do this as well to really er for their personal development. I mean, they're doing this for cars. They're doing this for cause. The advertising companies using the four temperaments to make money of you to make more money. A few, at the very minimum, I say in the workshop, at the very minimum, very minimum, use the temperaments to make money for yourself. And you know what people did. I've had people message me two weeks after saying, I just wanna let you know I got a job from the temperaments from the workshop. Yes. Isaaq:                                  00:44:42 It's where you take it and if you want to get to God and get to goodbye. Did you want to come to know yourself, get to come to know yourself via, Isaaq:                                  00:44:49             I wanted to ask you in just in terms because cause we probably didn't break out and break down the four temperaments specifically. Could you just give like a quick around dance so maybe someone can kind of identify who they are personally. So really, you know the, the workshop itself is quite long and yeah, Isaaq:                                  00:45:03 one of the reasons is because if you get like a really short shortened version, you probably won't believe it. I think anyway. And I, that was the case with me, but I'm just to, you know, for the sake of the podcast, I would say this, this fall, there's these four types which are again, as I mentioned, everyone has a major and then a secondary. So you have a dominant, a temperament and a sub dominant. And this is very interested in the combination. So you have a, the sanguine is what we call the [inaudible], the popular sanguine. They like spring, wherever they go. There's joy, very optimistic, fun, energetic, loving, sincere, that type of a person. Then you have your phlegmatic person, which is your peaceful phlegmatic. Uhm, does avoid confrontation, good listener, good emotional intelligence, right? There's that type of four person and there's the melancholic, the deep, intense melancholic. Isaaq:                                  00:45:52 Uh, th their type of a, of a, of a persona or their personality is more of a, a, um, it's one of, uh, uh, seriousness, a grounded, realistic, um, and, and, and ideals based, and they sometimes seen as being pessimistic or being negative, but they're not actually negative. Um, they're just, uh, optimistic. They're just, um, idealistic. So they have ideals and because no one matches up to ideals cause ideals like closeted perfection, right? And because people don't matter to perfection, what happens then is it comes across as if they're being negative because you're not good enough. And that's where they love their books. Because in the books they find all the ideals, but in the real world it's like, and you write a, and then you have your cleric, which is a, the powerful cleric, the fiery type. So you have the sign one, which is the airy type and we call those characters the airy fairy type. Isaaq:                                  00:46:46 And the, the, the phlegmatic is the watery type. And the war element for them is water. That was by Paracelsus in the 16th century. We made these connections but others made it as well. And then the melancholic is like earth grounded and full of full of jewels. We've just got to work to it. And that's why they're quite intense in the phlegmatic and the melancholic other, the introverts and then the cleric and the sanguine are extroverted and so you fire your fire and your ar are a lot more, uh, you know, uh, they make the impact there. And then in that moment and the melancholic and the flag are a bit more slower to react because there's a lot more consideration taking place. And that's why they introverted and that's why they, they contribution manifests over a longer period of time. Um, so that, that's, you know, a nutshell. Isaaq:                                  00:47:29 So people would really, um, and again I wouldn't say where would you put yourself, cause you're going to put yourself where you want to put yourself. So I would say is that if all the people around you, if you were to find a consistency in, in what people were to say about you, what would they say about you? Would they put you as a fiery type? Would they put you as a, as a, as a airy type of person but wouldn't? Because I know people say that all I'm out there, people who have interacted with you, they'll, there'll be like a thousand different perceptions of yourself. Yeah. People say that so. Well that's the other thing. And that's why I would say don't ask just some random person that you know or don't ask that person at your workplace cause you're gonna be at your workplace or all these places you're gonna be at these places according to that situation. Isaaq:                                  00:48:12 Or I would say is what are you like when you're with your friends, when you're in your element, and I mean friends, friends, like your homeys people, people who know you from back in the day or soy, your siblings cause they're siblings, you know, siblings are the ones you can't fake it. They'll just look at you and they'd be like, really? You were sharing a story, a story about that impair yourself in terms of when you found out about your own temperament. Yeah. Yeah. Can you expand on that? Yeah, that was interesting. Um, so I mean I was abroad and I was studying and then we were living in Jordan at that point. And uh, and I thought my temperament was of I, it was a particular temperament, but that was because I was living a particular life that wasn't my, like necessarily my comfort zone, especially when you leave your country and you start reading and whatever. Isaaq:                                  00:48:55 Um, but it was actually an evening where some of the students had come out and it was all mostly westerners and we went out for one evening and we were just in, it was a social and that was the day where I wasn't, you know, my jihad against my knifes and all the hard work I was trying to do and trying to be this person that was a day off for me. It was just, I just need to chill right now. You know, do what I do. And it was on that day I discovered that my nerves, that's my temperament. And that's why this is useful because that's the guy who would always be there. So even at your workplace, at your law firm, you're trying to be this fiery law person, whatever. But when you go home, sometimes that just takes a lot of stress out of you because that's not who you are. Isaaq:                                  00:49:33 And that one who you are when you're in your element, when you're in your comfort zone, that's how you recognize your temperament. But again, some people come to the workshop and figure out the temperament. Not everyone does. At the very minimum, you know which one you're not. So, you know, I feel that part popular sanguine and you know you are. And if you're not, you'll say, I don't know which one I am from the other three, but I'm not that person. Right. Process of learning via the opposites. This is a really extremely good tool to use to be honest. Um, but it's like that. And so I had, I had an evening I with some of the friends and I realized, oh my gosh, like I am clearly that temperament. But then there's also the books and when we do the workshop by the end, I just introduced the science and then I recommend the books and they're all in the notes and, and I let people go in and read about them. And then, um, and it was amazing. I was in California and uh, as a 50 year old man who came to the workshop and his daughter sent me a picture of her dad and he bought like the four, five books and like three others by the same authors. And he just was starting this journey of self discovery national. And it's just, Tanzim:                              00:50:34             I feel like I'm two questions to that first one. Come, comes to my head cause it Kinda hits me personally. Right. So I have said this, I've touched on the story, I'm in the past in previous episode, but you see my personal story, um, I wasn't that much into the [inaudible] key 10 when I was in high school. And I know for a fact that [inaudible], you know, I used to get a bit bullied and stuff, so I was in like myself. But then because society and then you see clubbing drinking stuff, you want to be more extrovert with just people around you. So I think I'd be like, you're nine, 10, 11. I tried to be that extroverted guy. I don't know other people perceive of me, but I thought myself, like myself is just being out there extroverted. Um, fun, cool. Make everyone laugh. That sort of guy. Tanzim:                              00:51:21 But then I remember distinctly, and this kind of coincide with going to dean, but every time I'd go home if I go to sleep, my house so empty, like I could feel like very distinct emptiness and I could they also distinct that this day if I reflect or I can still feel how I felt. Right. But um, and then when I started like university, Uni humble, go connect, I'd like mostly like I was always connected with the dean but wasn't like on in depth. Right. And then first unique or connect with brothers and I'm lie not being part of MSA, being part of the clique. My personality from external level, just like flipped. Like it went from that external like you know, out extrovert guy, this and that to like more in my own area. Like more like back then always wanting to be with people and hang out. But then now it was just like, I want to be one, so I just want to be alone. And then like the fulfillment, like the man, like the feeling in your heart when he, I guess have that Yakin it's just like Savannah. Like, I experienced that, but I felt like I feel like you can take like a temperament lens on my experience cause I thought it was more so the fact that I was in practicing it, then I became practicing. But yeah. Isaaq:                                  00:52:31 Well you see, yeah. And that's, that's a question people always ask that in a, how can I work out in my past, which bit was my temperament, which was my native, which was my load change or did I want you saw a con to the theory on the science is that our primary never changes. And I got a feeling, I kind of know which one you are. And normally I switch it off, but I knew you'd be asking part of this because that's what I have to do. Um, cause otherwise I've just always seen people via that lens on ashes switch off and lumber. Like I learned to switch off. And it's wonderful because I take people as they are rather than all these assumptions that I'm making. Uh, but even in this situation, people, you know, people ask all so which one's which? And, and honestly to truly work out, uh, what was, you know, what happened with your temperament is for you to really, you know, only the person who can tell is yourself, but you have to put the shift

Sherry Turkle is concerned with how dependence on smartphones affects maturation. Turkle, the Abby Rockefeller Mauzé Professor of the Social Studies of Science and Technology at MIT, advocates for the integration of boredom and solitude in daily life. Series: "Excerpts" [Health and Medicine] [Humanities] [Show ID: 34651]

Sherry Turkle is concerned with how dependence on smartphones affects maturation. Turkle, the Abby Rockefeller Mauzé Professor of the Social Studies of Science and Technology at MIT, advocates for the integration of boredom and solitude in daily life. Series: "Excerpts" [Health and Medicine] [Humanities] [Show ID: 34651]

Sherry Turkle is concerned with how dependence on smartphones affects maturation. Turkle, the Abby Rockefeller Mauzé Professor of the Social Studies of Science and Technology at MIT, advocates for the integration of boredom and solitude in daily life. Series: "Excerpts" [Health and Medicine] [Humanities] [Show ID: 34651]

Sherry Turkle is concerned with how dependence on smartphones affects maturation. Turkle, the Abby Rockefeller Mauzé Professor of the Social Studies of Science and Technology at MIT, advocates for the integration of boredom and solitude in daily life. Series: "Excerpts" [Health and Medicine] [Humanities] [Show ID: 34651]

Adrenaline is not a shalomic hormone. Shalom can not exist in the midst of noise and confusion. What effects are we having on the shalom of others through our unconscious and non-deliberate choices of how, when, and where we use our smartphones? This episode is a mixture of humor and hard-hitting self-evaluation on whether we're agents of shalom or assassins.__________________________Photo by Aaron Burden on UnsplashOTHER HANDS OF HUR RESOURCES"What's Wrong With the World?" - evangelism & discipleship video curriculum"Knot or Noose? - Recovering the Mystery of Marriage"  - small group video resource"The Darkside Challenge"  - social media and tech self-audit"Getting the Big Picture"  - Old Testament survey course"Yeshua in Four Dimensions" - the four Gospels (survey course)"To The Ends of the Earth" - New Testament survey course"The 15/30 Series" - studies for spiritual formation (Genesis, Psalms, Mark, Paul)

How crazy is it that Betsy and Kate have never done a Lucille Clifton book before? Nor a Brinton Turkle, but that's a little more understandable. Lucille Clifton was one of the most prolific Black picture book authors in the 70s. Spring has officially sprung and Betsy realized that today's book (which New York schoolchildren are read and given to read every single year around this time) would be the perfect way to celebrate not just the season but Clifton herself. But would Kate like it? Stay tuned, gentle listeners. In the meantime, those of you thinking yearningly of Spring will find much to love in this episode. Show Notes: - The best reading that you will encounter all day long is this June Jordan New York Times review. "Really okay book" she raves! https://www.nytimes.com/1973/11/04/archives/the-boy-who-didnt-believe-in-spring-by-jeannette-caines-illustrated.html - The books Jordan read and didn't like were Black Is Brown Is Tan by Arnold Adoff, Abby by Jeannette Caines, with pictures by Stephen Kellogg, Anthony and Sabrina by Ray Prather, Lordy, Aunt Hattie, by Ianthe Thomas, with pictures by Thomas di Grazia, Don't You Remember? by Lucille Clifton, illustrated by Evaline Ness, Good, Says Jerome, by Lucille Clifton, and finally All Us Come Cross the Water, by Lucille Clifton, with illustrations by John Steptoe. As Jordan said of that last book, "The father and son picture and the grandmother and grandson picture must compete, in my eyes, for Terrifying Zombie Page of the Year." - Macomber for Congress. Macomber may not have been a real candidate but I suspect that Turkle knew someone by that name and sneaked it in. But if you know anything about it, let us know. - I think it's fair to say that it's time for Henry Holt & Company to seriously re-illustrate and re-release the Everett Anderson books. Like Betsy mentions on the podcast, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS OF EVERETT ANDERSON is one of the few picture books we've ever seen about a kid dealing with a classmate that's being abused. For the full Show Notes, please visit us at: http://blogs.slj.com/afuse8production/2019/03/25/fuse-8-n-kate-the-boy-who-didnt-believe-in-spring-by-lucille-clifton-ill-brinton-turkle/

Le conversazioni moriranno? Parlare con gli altri?http://www.giuseppefranco.itIn una ricerca di Sherry Turkle si legge che la tecnologia ci sta facendo evitare la conversazione faccia a faccia.In buona sostanza la conversazione faccia faccia sta per morire:1) Ci isoliamo dall'esterno e teniamo gli occhi sul cellulare2) Uno nuovo concetto di "solitudine"3) La responsabilità è degli adulti?Nel video approfondisco ogni singolo punto:https://youtu.be/lR0blL5uAswLINK APPROFONDIMENTO:La ricerca di Sherry Turklehttp://web.mit.edu/sturkle/www/ -------------------------------------------------VIDEO GRATUITOIscriviti ai miei consigli quotidiani per comunicare in pubblico e ricevi subito il video corso introduttivo del METODO 4S.https://www.metodo4s.it/corso-gratuito-yt/ALTRI VIDEO SU FACEBOOKhttp://www.facebook.com/giuseppefrancopaginaCANALE PUBLIC SPEAKING PER IL BUSINESShttp://bit.ly/speaking4SSCRIVIMIinfo @ metodo4s.ithttp://telegram.me/giuseppefranco

Episodio dedicado al libro En defensa de la conversación de la profesora del MIT Sherry Turkle, publicado recientemente en español por la editorial Ático de los Libros. En un mundo desbordado en apariencia por la conversación digital a través de redes sociales, la profesora Turkle advierte sobre como los teléfonos móviles y las redes sociales han propiciado una conversación fragmentada, impersonal y que no fomenta la empatía. El libro de Sherry Turkle es una defensa a ultranza de la conversación cara a cara, como un medio para fomentar la creatividad y la capacidad de empatía. El libro es fruto de una sólida investigación académica y un análisis a partir de decenas de entrevistas con usuarios de diferentes edades. En defensa de la conversación es un libro que no censura la tecnología, sino que intenta revelar los retos que tenemos para adaptarla a nuestras necesidades personales y profesionales. Un libro muy interesante especialmente para padres y educadores. Enlace del libro en español en Ático de los Libros http://aticodeloslibros.com/index.php?id_product=106&controller=product Intro del episodio, charla TED de Sherry Turkle y música de fondo, It Speaks de Paul Haslinger, banda sonora Halt & Catch Fire. Encantado de recibir valoraciones, sugerencias o comentarios a este episodio. Visita mi web https://javierarcheni.com o la web del podcast https://republicaweb.es

Episodio dedicado al libro En defensa de la conversación de la profesora del MIT Sherry Turkle, publicado recientemente en español por la editorial Ático de los Libros. En un mundo desbordado en apariencia por la conversación digital a través de redes sociales, la profesora Turkle advierte sobre como los teléfonos móviles y las redes sociales han propiciado una conversación fragmentada, impersonal y que no fomenta la empatía. El libro de Sherry Turkle es una defensa a ultranza de la conversación cara a cara, como un medio para fomentar la creatividad y la capacidad de empatía. El libro es fruto de una sólida investigación académica y un análisis a partir de decenas de entrevistas con usuarios de diferentes edades. En defensa de la conversación es un libro que no censura la tecnología, sino que intenta revelar los retos que tenemos para adaptarla a nuestras necesidades personales y profesionales. Un libro muy interesante especialmente para padres y educadores. Enlace del libro en español en Ático de los Libros http://aticodeloslibros.com/index.php?id_product=106&controller=product Intro del episodio, charla TED de Sherry Turkle y música de fondo, It Speaks de Paul Haslinger, banda sonora Halt & Catch Fire. Encantado de recibir valoraciones, sugerencias o comentarios a este episodio. Visita mi web https://javierarcheni.com o la web del podcast https://republicaweb.es

In Episode 21, Jessica Ann talks with tech ethicist David Ryan Polgar.  Polgar digs below the surface to examine our tech use from an ethical, legal, and emotional perspective. With a background as an attorney and an educator, along with experience working with social media companies, he is able to take a Multidisciplinary approach to our evolving use of technology. In this interview, David and Jessica discuss: How Technology Impacts Us from an Ethical and Emotional Perspective Why we lack appropriate terms for what we're even talking about. Everyone is struggling with this. Why our rapturous submission to digital technology has led to an atrophying of human capacities like empathy and self-­reflection, and the time has come to reassert ourselves, behave like adults, and put technology in its place (h/t Sherry Turkle's Reclaiming Conversation." What does it mean to be human in how we communicate and at the world at large? We're often living through a filter and that filter is coming through our screen. How we're hooked up to the Google brain. If we all have access to it, it's not important. It's more important to step back, and have creativity and wisdom with access the information. It's more important to be creative today but we're struggling with the mass-consumption of information. Creativity and wisdom are seen as the ability to connect dots. Creative people take things we wouldn't think and say "let's combine that." The problem that's happening is that we're struggling with something that never ends because we of unlimited consumption. When information becomes available we tend to gobble it up. We need to say "Hey Facebook, make those cookies a little less delicious." Silicon Valley is selling us a product that we're gobbling up but we do not know the nutritional content. We need to allow for more moments of digestion: Don't check your phone, close the browser. This is easier said than done but we need to think of an information diet the same as we think of a food diet. How do we not become a robot in a world that's trying to change us into robots? As a capitalist society, every revolution has a counter-revolution. How and why Silicon Valley is selling us a product that we're gobbling up. And why we need to make an informed decision about the content we consume. Do we humans have free-will with the endless use of algorithms? How humanity is becoming "bot-ified" based on predictive analytics. How LinkedIn automates intimacy and how we have gamified relationships. Why social adoption is not solely focused on utility. You can follow David on Twitter at @techethicist or visit his website here.

The Rock Star Principals are back and they are jacked! The dynamic duo brings you a classic episode in the true-to-fashion style of RSP! Today's episode includes: Lessons from DC: Jon meets @TuckerCarlson from @FoxNews Leadership Vacuum Jon declares his #2 #mancrush in @mikeroweworks Plug for @mikeroweworks podcast, "That's the Way I Heard It." Thriving and Longevity in the Blue Zones by @BlueZones (Dan Buettner) Future Cities A Word from Our Fake Sponsors: #NPC17 @NAESP and @NASSP join forces for the first ever joint National Principals Conference in Philadelphia, PA, July 9-11, 2017 RSP will be presenting, "The Principalship in the Blue Zone: Threats to Longevity and the Motivation to Carry On!" "The Doctor of Proctors" Nick will also be presenting as one of the 2017 National Digital Principals. "Thought Leaders" include Mike Schmoker, Kevin Carroll. and Sherry Turkle. Article Review: Reverse Suspensions by @carlyhoilman A middle school in West Virginis opted to have parents attend school with student as opposed to suspending the students. Discipline vs Revenge Attendance Correlates with At-Risk Restorative Practices Systems to Monitor: @OnHandsSchools

Coach Gina answers a listener's question regarding her constant connection and her anxiety.  Quote: It is a serious thing just to be alive on this fresh morning in this broken world. --Mary Oliver Links/resources mentioned in the episode: To learn more go to: What is anxiety? http://www.theanxietycoachespodcast.com/what-is-anxiety/ Visit our new PATERON campaign and become a patron of the show today https://www.patreon.com/GinaRyan Anxiety Group Coaching Membership: http://www.anxietycoachespodcast.com/group-coaching Listen to Sherry Turkle's books on audio and grab one for FREE by going to http://www.anxietycoachespodcast.com/audibletrial  

Are we losing something with technology? There are two sides to every argument, including this one. Dr. Sherry Turkle is of the belief that there's enough mounting scientific evidence that points toward loss of empathy and self knowledge due to increasing interaction with machines. In this episode, we discuss Dr. Turkle's research and her subtle fears for the future, particularly of those about machines that replicate emotions or conversation but that don't actually feel anything - is the ability to form real connections between two beings at risk of being lost?

Psychologist and media scholar Sherry Turkle talks to Steve Fast about the negative effect that smartphone use is having on conversation. Turkle says that the digital age may be connected to a lack in empathy among younger generations. #smartphone #conversation

MIT technology and society specialist psychologist Sherry Turkle (Alone Together) has been called the Margaret Mead of Digital Culture and our techno-Freud. In her latest book, Reclaiming Conversation, she discusses the power of conversation and the importance of reclaiming it in the digital age. Turkle argues that social media provides the illusion of companionship without […]

What the Hell is Turkle you ask? Listen to this all New episode of the So Wizard podcast and find out! The very Thankful So Wizard Crew of Joey, Tom, Aubrey and Markellus the Expert discuss all of the latest Nerd news from the past week, including Vin Diesel bringing back Riddick, the debut of Marvel's Jessica Jones show on Netflix and... A new picture of Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman? Plus: Tom wants to know your Porn Star name, Joey doesn't think Anna Kendrick is Fugly, an under the weather and over worked Aubrey just wants to go back to sleep and Marky Mark is serving up some dark meat tonight! It's a So Wizard Thanksgiving to remember Wiz Kidz, so spread that Word of Nerd! Always free to subscribe on itunes, listen on Stitcher radio, now available on the Satchel app for Android users or right on our website! www.sowizardpodcast.com

Quantifying Empathy - Episode 23 Twitter Hearts and Facebook Reactions TL;DR - You KNOW Marc, Randy, and Scott couldn't let Twitter messing with Favorites and Facebook Reactions go without some spirited discussion. Facebook is testing emoji reactions - this is the ‘dislike button' by Owen Williams @ TNW Hearts on Twitter on the Twitter Blog. RECLAIMING CONVERSATION : The Power of Talk in a Digital Age is Sherry Terkle's new book which influenced some of Randy's thinking. Kaliya Hamlin (@identitywoman) was mentioned during the episode. Transcript Intro: Welcome to the Social Media Clarity Podcast. Fifteen minutes of concentrated analysis and advice about social media in platform and product design. Randy: I'm Randy Farmer Scott: I'm Scott Moore. Marc: I'm Marc Smith. Randy: Really, Twitter, hearts? Scott: Really, Facebook? Reactions. Randy: Oh, my gosh, guys. We have a lot to talk about since the last time we've had a session. The big social guys have gone nuts for emoticons as a way to express yourself with a single click. Scott: We already had ways of expressing ourselves, they were just very generic. Now we're trying to be specific about it. Randy: Twitter changes from stars to hearts ... Scott: ... and Favorites to Likes. Randy: Yeah, and Favorites to Likes. [as if] they're exactly the same. If you think they're the same, people out there, just think what if they changed it back to a pile of crap. Is that the same as a heart, or a star? When I think of Twitter's problems, I don't think this is one of the ones that was very high on the list. Scott: No, but it's one of the ones that helps them get attention. It helps generate notifications. They practically said, 'we're not getting enough people using the Favorite, so now we're going to change it to something that more people will use.' That generates notifications, and that brings people back to the app. Randy: So, something that was meaningful, now means less. Marc: Is it the case that you are more likely to love something than like it? Randy: Well, that's not the test on the table in this case. It's Like versus Favorite. Marc: Yeah, but the like generates this heart, which suggests love, and it used to be a star. So, we're moving from star to heart. Admittedly, we're going from Favorite to Like, but is there really that much more like than favorite in the world? Scott: I think that the context was really different. From what I gauged from the reactions, other than people just hating change, was that Favorite de-noted a bookmark, and then expanded from there. A lot of people were using it as, "I'm saving this link for later", or, "I'm saving this Tweet for later". Some people were using it as, as you would for any signaling system, some people were using it as, "I like what you said". Now, they've actually tightened up the context while at the same time, loosen it, by saying, it's a like, which can mean anything. Anything that's positive. It's a positive mark on it. Randy: Right, and they retroactively marked every Favorite a Like. How many gillions of those they have, I don't know. At least one person I was talking to yesterday when I first saw this in practice, and was shocked by it, was Kaliya [Hamlin], otherwise known as Identity Woman, and she says, "Oh my God, now I've got to go fix all my Favorites on Twitter, because I don't love most of those things." Scott: Yeah. Some people were tweeting out "Liking your tweet is not consent." Randy: That's awesome. When we first thought of doing this episode, that hadn't even happened yet. That's just the freshest thing, that happened yesterday. Before that, Facebook was going to start testing the emoticon variants, or they call Reactions, as a response to the demand for dislikes. Marc: Right. So, we don't get Dislike, but we get Reactions. Randy: Well, and if you look at the reactions, the icons are ambiguous. I don't know if that's a feature or a bug. They do, in fact, include a dislike one, called Angry, it's angry face. It's like, what's this about? I think this is what we wanted to talk about, is we wanted to take some of these seemingly crazy, and capricious ideas, and talk about what it is maybe they're trying to do. We've been calling this, amongst the three of us - " Quantifying Empathy." So, we are going to have a conversation about that today. Marc: Right. It seems that what we're seeing is a feature that allows people to have a very light weight way to author some higher level of attention. I mean, after all, the system knows who "saw" each piece of content, and it even reports that for some pieces of content on some platforms. It'll say some number of people have been exposed to, or have seen the piece of content, but that's sort of the lowest level of content measurement. How many people might have seen it. Now with the Like, or the Love, or the Favorite, or the reaction, we're trying to get people to click, and just click, but to click from a field of choices to give us a higher resolution sense of, what did that click mean? The Like was too ambiguous. So, now we have angry, and happy, and sad. What are the other ones? Grumpy. Randy: You can make up as many as you want. Scott: Great. Randy: No, there's just a few. There's a Yay one supposedly. Scott: Yay. There's Wow, there's Sad, there's Angry ... Scott: ... and there's one other. Randy: So, when you use ambiguous faces, in the case of Facebook, it actually lacks all subtlety. Does it mean what the face expresses to you? Or, does it mean the words that are written underneath it? Scott: Yeah. Am I angry at you because of something you said? Or, am I angry about the same thing you're angry? Am I expressing actual empathy, or am I reacting against you? Marc: So, this is a great piece of ambiguity that the interface has yet to resolve. You pointed this out earlier, that people are splitting their reaction to what this story means _for the author_ of the story, and their reaction _to_ the story. So, there's this ambiguous reference that must be clarified, and these additional features do not clarify it. If anything they add more ambiguity. Randy: Interesting in Facebook, is you've always been able to use these exact same icons, you've always been able to add them to a message. You did it by posting a reply to post. You would then explain - so, you could put in a sad face, and say, "I feel sorry for you. If I can help you in any way, let me know." Right? So, you have this rich interaction that would be going on between humans. So, what do the humans actually want? What are good for humans? Probably saying more, not saying less. What really kind of drives it home for me, is when you *count* them. I say, when you click on an angry icon, there's object missing. There's a famous expression; "This sentence no verb". Right? Well, now with the reactions we have; "I'm angry with..." or "I'm mad at..." Marc: That's great. That's great. Randy: I'm sad at ... Right? In the same kind of construction, with that missing by pulling them out. Then you count them, and you say, "Lots of us are mad at..." We don't even know if those people are mixed and matched on what they're mad at. Scott: Right. A lot of people are mad, but we don't know if they're mad at, or mad with. Randy: Yeah, and I've got to tell you, that's going to drive people off. Just the mad icon alone is going to drive people away from posting, because they can't figure out, you know, if you have any social anxiety, any feedback, other than "we love you, it's okay" is going to be harmful. So, it surprised me that they said Dislike is too negative, we get that, and then put an angry face. In counting them they're already finding out in Spain and Ireland, where they're testing it, messages are coming back with a mixture of counted face types. Want to talk about no way to interpret data - What the heck does that mean? Facebook's excited, because they got a lot of clicks they probably wouldn't have got before. That they can use to route messages to your email box. Scott: Yeah, so the cynical side of me says - so one thing in developing, and choosing what they were going to choose as far as what icons to go for - they looked at all the one word, and sticker-only posts, and they just kind of aggregated all that together, and said, okay, these are the things that people most likely say in those replies, when they're posting an emoticon or sticker or something like that. So, they're just making it easier for them now to count and quantify that for other purposes. Either to send notifications, or more likely a lot of the brand pages, the blogs, and other folks out there who are into Facebook marketing, are saying this could be useful, because now you can get more detailed information about what your brand reaction is. So, it's just another thing that someone's going to measure in order to sub-divide targeted marketing. Randy: Yeah, but that ends up, it's true, and diluting. We all recall the experiments people have been doing just with Like and Share, if you think X: Like this thing. If you think Y: Share this thing. Right, because they're trying to manipulate these various counters. So, it occurred to me, they could have just put in a polling mechanism. So ... Scott: Twitter did put in a polling mechanism recently. Randy: Good. Scott: Yeah, Facebook used to have polls. A long, long time ago, Facebook used to have polls, and they took them out. Marc: So, this is an interesting point. If we're going to be critical of the reaction system, we ought to suggest an alternative: One alternative is to allow the poster to list the reactions that they are interested in having people choose from. So, a little bit of a hybrid between a poll, and these emotion icons. Maybe you could react to me with sympathy, empathy, or cash, or other. Scott: Well, you could even take the system that they have now, and say, which one of these would you like to focus on, or how many of these would you like people to, you know, is this a 'Wow - Yay' type of post? Do you want Wows and Yays, and you don't want Sads on your post, because that's not what you're talking about? They actually have something built in, this is really funny, in Facebook, they have the option for being able to say, "I'm feeling blessed." Or happy, or sad, or angry, and they have this list of about 25 of these things, and why can't I +1 somebody who is feeling a certain way already? Because now the context is, "I'm with you on this. " Marc: So, what's the ultimate goal here? We want users to click more, and ... Randy: ...let's be clear: Advertisers want users to click more. Marc: Right, right. I meant to say, what is the system designers ultimate goal here. They want users to click more. As system users though, as people who use these features, what is our goal? Randy: I got to say, I'm with Sherry Turkle on this, that anything that reduces human conversation, is probably truly reducing empathy. If people out there are interested, I'll put a link in the show notes to show Turkle's latest book and work. It talks specifically about the fact that we've been reducing ourselves to machine interactions with lighter and lighter interfaces to the point where we don't even know what empathy is anymore. We don't have to respond with any empathetic statement when all we have to do is click a sad icon. Scott: Yeah, and I really want to read Sherry's book, but I'm starting to think that there's a slight difference in that, and a little bit more optimistic in that, yes, using our smart phones, and what not, are pulling us away from face to face conversations, and I think we're having to figure out now that we're breaking that, what can we do, now that we're turning our faces towards devices, what can we do to actually build back in? What are the things that we're missing, and how do we rebuild that in our systems? How do we get folks to build up more empathy with people, and can we do that with systems? I think it's something that is important. These systems are light weight, and they're somewhat useful, but they lack deeper meaning, which is exactly what you're saying. Randy: Well, don't take the simple path. Don't just count clicks on dots, right? Design interfaces that help people solve problems. Scott: Right. Randy: People do this. Marc: What problem do people feel like they have? I mean, at the moment Facebook trained us to want to generate certain kind of responses. We want Likes, we want Comments, we want some kind of currency that proves we consumed other people's attention, and that they've granted us some kind of approval. Is that they only purpose that we could use this platform for, and is that the only purpose these reaction features are designed to support? Scott: Well, obviously not. I mean, that's not the only purpose. Facebook's purposes might be at cross purposes with those of us who want to actually build communities online, and help people develop deeper, meaningful relationships. That's why I think that these are light weight, but not very meaningful. They might suffice in those ambiguous situations, especially in a network like Facebook, where very often you are not close friends with the people who are on your Facebook network. So, sometimes commenting deeper on something could become awkward, because you just aren't that well connected, but you want to acknowledge. So, I think there's room for the social grooming that a Like, or any of these kind of reactions would provide, but I think that we should be thinking about, as designers, and as people who are fostering online communities, how to help people get to that deeper conversational engagement, that Sherry Turkle is point out, even though we are still on our devices. Randy: Right. So, I think I can summarize my thought on this, clearly, which is, any interface that allows a single click for me to add angry, without and object on it, decreases my chances of influencing the person, or the event, I was angry with, because there is no context provided. So, the one way we can improve using these tools is if I choose angry, I do actually have to say at what. Scott: Well, and as a designer, we could even prompt people that if you choose ... Randy: Exactly. Scott: ... that if you choose something it would give them the ability to provide the context, rather than the context-less emoticon. Randy: Yeah, so, agree and disagree are missing. We know from helpful/unhelpful movie reviews that two of those icons are going to be re purposed for that, because they already are. If they had helpful and unhelpful we know those would be mapped to agree and disagree, for controversial objects. So, is angry going to be the new disagree? Scott: Yeah, I think so. Marc: So, is this all because typing a few characters, a comment, a short message, is too burdensome, and is it too burdensome because of the time, or because we're doing it with one thumb, standing in a checkout line, and that's why we really need, at most, the two to three to four tap method for replying to complex situations. Rather than the forty- or fifty-tap necessary to actually type out a five- or eight-word sentence. Scott: I think that's a good point. I don't think that these systems are being designed with user convenience in mind to necessarily help us to communicate with each other better. I think that they are there to help us generate notifications, so that we come back to the application faster and more often. Randy: A single click on a face has striped almost all semantic meaning from the event. Scott: I think you have a point that this particular system is being set up, and this particular way, because mobile devices are being used for the quick in and out, you know, quick check. Users are using it that way, and Facebook and Twitter are adapting to that particular use in order to capture that behavior. That's what it is, it's a behavior capture system. They're getting somebody's attention, they want to get somebody to "engage," even though I don't think that's engagement. Then they're going to pull all that data together, and they're going to use it as either targeted advertising, or use it to generate more notifications to bring the original posters back to the application, where you deliver more ads. Marc: So, I would say it as this: Why not to like the new Like - I'm angry, you might be happy, but we might not be able to tell. Randy: That sounds like a great summary to me. Scott: Yeah. Yeah. Randy: Thanks everyone. I hope you're enjoying the new format. Go ahead and say thanks, guys. Marc: Right. Scott? Randy: Say thanks. Scott: Oh, that. I'm not. I'm like, now I'm lost. Marc: You're not thankful? I'm thankful. Thank you everyone. Scott: I'm Angry. Thanks. Randy: Okay, that's great. That's an ending. I'll take it. Scott: I don't know why. I'm just Angry. Marc: Well, I'm going to be Grumpy in a minute, so ... Randy: I might even keep a little of this. Marc: Bye-bye. Randy: All right. 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When "Reclaiming Conversation" author Sherry Turkle sat down with co-host Shannon Bond, she had more to say than could fit in this week's episode of Alphachat. Ms Turkle talks about the effect of screens and smart phones on office conversation and productivity, and how to create device-free zones at work. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

It’s a bizarre question at first: Is our capacity for meaningful, soul-nourishing conversation something that can go away? Sherry Turkle, professor of psychology at MIT, and author of “Reclaiming Conversation: The Power of Talk in the Digital Age”, says yes, emphatically. On this episode of DecodeDC, Dick Meyer has a long conversation with Turkle about conversation - and then invited the newsroom to join. Spoiler alert: We’re all at risk of becoming device-addicted, never-present techno-dweebs if we don’t wise up fast.

Ever wonder what your mobile device is really doing to your relationships, your happiness...your life?Today's guest, famed MIT Professor, bestselling author and researcher on how technology affects the human condition, Sherry Turkle, has been studying questions like this for decades.In her new book, Reclaiming Conversation: The Power of Talk in a Digital Age, she looks at what phones and the technology that rides inside them are doing not just for us, but to us.What she reveals is beyond scary.Put your cell phone on the table when you're with someone else, she offers, you've just destroyed the possibility of deep conversation. Without even realizing it, everything gets superficial. You don't go deeper, because you want to be able to scratch the near-addictive phone-checking itch. And that's okay when the convo is light, but not when it gets real.We also talk about how apps and texting are destroying empathy and solitude and making it harder and harder to actually know ourselves and develop real relationships. We explore the "I share, therefore I am" ethos and how technology is profoundly altering the dating scene. We talk about what computers and mobile devices do to classrooms and learning, seeing how some professors who at first welcomed them are now banning them and why. Turkle offers:"Technology doesn't just change what we do, it changes who we are."We need to understand how, then leverage it to work with, rather than against us.In the end, Sherry isn't anti-technology, she'll tell you. She's pro-conversation.This conversation led me to immediately change how I use my cell phone and think about the model I'm creating for my daughter. It was also a reminder of why I record these conversations, with rare exception, in-person, rather than remotely. Because it changes the conversation and the depth of the relationship.

originally aired 02-13-2011 How much technology do you use? Email, texting, facebook, twitter, second life, etc. Has it freed you up, given you more time, or has it added new demands to your life that actually make you feel you have less time? If you're using social media regularly, do you feel more connected with your friends and family or less? Clinical psychologist SHERRY TURKLE has been studying our relationship with technology for most of her career, and has written several books about what she's experienced and learned. Of her newest, ALONE TOGETHER, she has said, "This is a book of repentance. I have been studying computers and people for thirty years. I didn't see several important things. I got some important things wrong." I was already interested in talking to her, but that really grabbed my attention. I'm interested in people, maybe especially experts, who are willing to change their minds. Turkle writes: "Technology promises to let us do anything from anywhere with anyone. But it drains us as we try to do everything everywhere. We begin to feel overwhelmed and depleted by the lives technology makes possible. We may be free to work from anywhere, but we are also prone to being lonely everywhere. In a surprising twist, relentless connection leads to a new solitude. We turn to technology to fill the void, but as technology ramps up, our emotional lives ramp down."

Aired 02/13/11 How much technology do you use? Email, texting, facebook, twitter, second life, etc. How's it working for you? Has it freed you up, given you more time, or has it added new demands to your life that actually make you feel you have less time? If you're using social media regularly, do you feel more connected with your friends and family or less? Clinical psychologist SHERRY TURKLE has been studying our relationship with technology for most of her career, and has written several books about what she's experienced and learned. Of her newest, ALONE TOGETHER, she has said, "This is a book of repentance. I have been studying computers and people for thirty years. I didn't see several important things. I got some important things wrong." I was already interested in talking to her, but that really grabbed my attention. I'm interested in people, maybe especially experts, who are willing to change their minds. Turkle writes: "Technology promises to let us do anything from anywhere with anyone. But it also drains us as we try to do everything everywhere. We begin to feel overwhelmed and depleted by the lives technology makes possible. We may be free to work from anywhere, but we are also prone to being lonely everywhere. In a surprising twist, relentless connection leads to a new solitude. We turn to new technology to fill the void,but as technology ramps up, our emotional lives ramp down." http://www.alonetogetherbook.com/