Podcasts about Domer

Domer is a prediction market trader, and is one of the biggest bettors on Polymarket. He talks about his journey from Intrade, to Predictit, to Polymarket. He also talks about the 2024 election, which was a rollercoaster. It featured highs - like backing Kamala Harris before President Joe Biden had even dropped out of the race - and also lows, like being short Trump on election night.Domer also talks about unraveling the mystery of the so-called French Whale.Domer on Polymarket: https://polymarket.com/profile/0x9d84ce0306f8551e02efef1680475fc0f1dc1344Domer on Twitter: https://x.com/DomahhhhSupport the show by subscribing on Substack: https://riskofruinpod.substack.comFollow the show on Twitter: https://x.com/halfkelly

We catch up with one of the good guys of the sports media world and cover an array of topics such as working with your son, the charm of Notre Dame, and CTE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Eine Folge aus der Reihe: Gästeliste Geisterbahn unterwegs! Die fünfte Jahreszeit. Endlich normale Leute. Dom, Domer, am Dömsten. Herm besucht Nilz in dessen natürlichem Habitat um herauszufinden: Wie überleben die Kölschen den Umstand, dass selbst der schönste Karneval einmal vorbei sein muss? Am Karnevalsdienstag macht er sich auf die Reise, ein Luigi-„Kostüm“ im Rucksack, um zu gucken, was am Ende dieser Session von Nilz überhaupt noch übrig ist und was es mit dem ominösen „Nubbel“ auf sich hat. Was er dabei erlebt hat, ist das schönste Fest der Welt, wer hätte das gedacht? (Diesen Text hat Nilz geschrieben)Featuring Nilz bester Freundin Suzie, der Sängerin von KLEE. Und natürlich dem Nubbel.Für Supersondercontent und allerlei exklusiven Schabernack supportet uns auf Patreon: https://patreon.com/gaestelistegeisterbahn Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Episode Topic: Domer Caregiver Stories Listen in to a conversation with LisaMarie Collins ‘07 J.D., Ray Fraser ‘19 MBA, Black Alumni Board Student Relations Director, Francesca Milles-Dave '01, and moderator LaDawn Burnett ‘12 J.D., Black Alumni Board Alumni Relations Director, about the joys and challenges of caregiving for our loved ones, through all the ages and stages.Featured Speakers:LaDawn Burnett, '12, Alumni Relations Director of Black Alumni of Notre Dame BoardLisaMarie Collins, '07 J.DRay Frazier, '09 MBA, Student Relations Director, Black Alumni of Notre Dame BoardFrancesca Mills Day, '01, Senior Manager, UnileverRead this episode's recap over on the University of Notre Dame's open online learning community platform, ThinkND: https://go.nd.edu/ba3870This podcast is a part of the ThinkND Series titled Caregiving with Dignity. Thanks for listening! The ThinkND Podcast is brought to you by ThinkND, the University of Notre Dame's online learning community. We connect you with videos, podcasts, articles, courses, and other resources to inspire minds and spark conversations on topics that matter to you — everything from faith and politics, to science, technology, and your career. Learn more about ThinkND and register for upcoming live events at think.nd.edu. Join our LinkedIn community for updates, episode clips, and more.

Dr. Cruse (@predoctit) returns to discuss the strategy behind Trump's nominations and administration appointments. Timestamps 0:08: Pratik introduces segment on Trump appointments 1:18: Call to support SSG 2:16: Golden Modelos 2:58: Intro ends 4:59: Trump segment begins 7:12: Trump's strategy 7:35: 4-D Chess? 25:45: Sarah Palin 33:02: Golden Modelos Worst Trade 39:03: Golden Modelos Best Fight Bet on Trump administration appointments at Polymarket.com, the world's largest prediction market. Forecasting Meetup Network. Help us grow the forecasting community to positively influence the future by supporting us with an upvote, comment, or pledge on Manifund: https://manifund.org/projects/forecasting-meetup-network---washington-dc-pilot-4-meetups Get notified whenever a new meetup is scheduled and learn more about the Forecasting Meetup Network here: https://bit.ly/forecastingmeetupnetwork Join our Discord to connect with others in the community between monthly meetups: https://discord.com/invite/hFn3yukSwv

When you think of all the momentum that's surrounding the breakaway roping, the face of that movement is Kelsie Domer. Just a freaking dominant force that's bringing this sport to the forefront 

Kelsie Domer has had the week of a lifetime, winning the 2024 WPRA Breakaway World Championship, NFBR Average Championship and Kimes Million Dollar Breakaway Average Championship. All told, she's won more than $130,000, with an army of support behind her including mom Lisa, aunt Lori, husband Ryan and daughter Oaklynn. Hear about Kelsie Domer's round-by-round perspective, World Championship shock and reflection on the last week. The top breakaway ropers are on roping.com! This holiday season, give the gift of top training and hundreds of hours of breakaway livestream coverage only on Roping.com. Gift a month, three months or a year of membership to your favorite breakaway roper! Visit roping.com today!Connect with Your Hosts: The Breakaway Roping JournalFollow on Social Media: Facebook | Instagram | TikTokEpisode-Specific LinksRoping.comMORE FROM THE BREAKAWAY BREAKDOWNBreakaway Futurity 101 with Cheyanne McCartneyMastering Rodeo Mental Performance with Donene TaylorMeet Josie Conner's Horse of the Year "Dutch"Madison Outhier's Horse Accident an Recovery on The Breakdown PodcastShelby Boisjoli-Meged's Cheyenne Frontier Days WIN on The Breakdown PodcastMaddy Deerman's Bringing the Summer Heat on The Breakdown PodcastCowboy Christmas Recap on The Breakdown Podcast with Taylor Munsell, TiAda Gray and Josie Connor

There's no question about it, #4 cowgirl Kelsie Domer (Chace) is a competitor and she'll be going for the gold in Las Vegas! Kelsie took home bucket list wins in Calgary and Pendleton but the winning didn't stop there and she took home a round win in Sioux Falls at the Governor's Cup too. At the 2023 NFBR Kelsie claimed two go round wins and roped eight of her ten calves, we think an average title might just be in her future! Kelsie's main mount Little Man is 19 years old this year and a fan favorite to watch. We look forward to watching Oaklynn's mom and Little Man go at it all ten round in Vegas!In The LOOP Podcast hosted by Jordan Jo Hollabaugh, is inspired by the western culture and breakaway roping lifestyle. This podcast highlights the raw, real, truth behind the box of the breakaway roping industry. Bringing you behind the scenes stories of what real life looks like everyday from; breakaway ropers, cowgirls, cowboys, producers, leaders, trailblazers, and the like, all sharing stories of the western culture and lifestyle that they live daily. In The LOOP Podcast & Fabrizio Marketing LLC are not responsible for any losses, damages, or liabilities that may arise from the use of this podcast. Get In The LOOP Podcast with Jordan Jo Get the Newsletter at | www.inthelooprodeo.com/ Like us on Facebook | www.facebook.com/inthelooppodcast.jordanjo Tag us on Instagram | www.instagram.com/inthelooppodcast.jordanjo Follow us on TikTok | https://www.tiktok.com/@jordanjo.hollabaugh Watch more on our Youtube Channel Watch on Youtube @ JordanJoHollabaugh ...

World Champion Kelsie Domer is headed to her third Wrangler National Finals Breakaway Roping, she joins us as today's ClassicRope/ClassicEquine Featured interview on the Steve Kenyon Podcast!

In dieser spannenden Folge vom CULTiTALK begrüßt Georg Wolfgang den besonderen Gast Marcel Domer, der die unkonventionelle und kollegiale Unternehmenskultur des Unternehmens GIZEH Raucherbedarf GmbH beschreibt. Marcel, der das Personalwesen bei GIZEH leitet, gibt tiefe Einblicke, was das Unternehmen zu einem attraktiven Arbeitgeber macht und welche Strategien zur Personalbindung umgesetzt werden.Marcel erzählt von ihrer offenen Arbeitsumgebung ohne strikten Dresscode und betont, dass Führungskräfte leicht zugänglich sind, was zu einem angenehmen Arbeitsklima beiträgt. Besonders faszinierend ist die internationale Zusammenarbeit mit den Niederlanden, die eine offene und weniger konservative Arbeitsweise fördert. Ein effektives Pre-Onboarding-Programm sorgt dafür, dass neue Mitarbeitende sich gut integriert und nicht fremd fühlen.Die Episode thematisiert auch, wie GIZEH durch durchdachte Angebote wie Obst, Wasser, Bike-Leasing, Massageliegen und Weiterbildungsmöglichkeiten wie Resilienzseminare die Personalbindung fördert. Marcel hebt hervor, dass die Unternehmenskultur starke Werte wie Zusammenhalt und Respekt über alle Hierarchieebenen hinweg pflegt, was sich in einer geringen Mitarbeitenden-Fluktuation widerspiegelt.Georg und Marcel diskutieren die Transformation des Personalwesens bei GIZEH zu einer strategischen Abteilung und das umfassende Talentmanagement-Konzept „People Management“. Marcel betont, dass die persönliche und potenzialbasierte Entwicklung der Mitarbeitenden im Fokus steht und nicht nur High Potentials gefördert werden.Ein besonderes Highlight der Folge ist die Diskussion über die Verbindung der Mitarbeitenden mit dem Unternehmen und die Schaffung eines identitätsstiftenden Arbeitsumfeldes. Marcel teilt inspirierende Beispiele von Mitarbeitenden, die sich von Zeitarbeit zu Führungspositionen hochgearbeitet haben, und erklärt die Bedeutung einer inklusiven Kultur.Georg schließt das Gespräch, indem er Marcel für seine wertvollen Einblicke in die einzigartige Unternehmenskultur und die innovativen HR-Ansätze bei GIZEH dankt. Marcel betont abschließend die Wichtigkeit, als verantwortungsvoller Arbeitgeber aufzutreten und eine evolutionäre Unternehmenskultur zu pflegen, die sowohl traditionelle Werte respektiert als auch moderne Erwartungen erfüllt. Alle Links zu Marcel Domer:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-domer-29b038192/Unternehmen: http://www.gizeh-online.de Alle Links zu Georg und dem Culturizer:Georg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georg-wolfgangCulturizer: https://culturizer.appCULTiTALK: https://cultitalk.de

The boys go off the dome for ramble hour

Heute mit folgenden Themen: Rückblick auf die Domeröffnung Der Sonntag der Weltmission 100. Friedensgebet in Eichstätt KEB Ingolstadt mit Krimi und „Dia de Muertos“ Klarstellung: Die Studie zur Agrarpolitik Vortrag: Gefangen im Netz Orgelkonzert für Kinder Das Mozart Requiem mit der Eichstätter Dommusik Durch die Sendung führt Bernhard Löhlein Bild von Lars Nissen auf Pixabay

Mit einem bunten Festprogramm feiert das Bistum Eichstätt die Wiedereröffnung seines frisch sanierten Doms. Am Kirchweihsonntag, dem 20. Oktober 2024, öffnet die Kathedrale nach vier Jahren und acht Monaten wieder ihre Pforten. Bernhard Löhlein berichtet.

Kelsie Domer is fresh off a win at the Texas Circuit Finals where she clenched both the average and year end titles and headed into her third National Finals of Breakaway Roping. Domer is no stranger to the winners circle and heads into the NFBR in 4th place which also secured her a spot in the Kimes Ranch Million Dollar Breakaway Roping. Jordan Jo and Kelsie sit down to talk about all the different chances there are to qualify to this monumental event and how this opportunity changes the whole game. Tune in and learn how you can get qualified and take home a piece of the winnings!In The LOOP Podcast hosted by Jordan Jo Hollabaugh, is inspired by the western culture and breakaway roping lifestyle. This podcast highlights the raw, real, truth behind the box of the breakaway roping industry. Bringing you behind the scenes stories of what real life looks like everyday from; breakaway ropers, cowgirls, cowboys, producers, leaders, trailblazers, and the like, all sharing stories of the western culture and lifestyle that they live daily. In The LOOP Podcast & Fabrizio Marketing LLC are not responsible for any losses, damages, or liabilities that may arise from the use of this podcast. Get In The LOOP Podcast with Jordan Jo Get the Newsletter at | www.inthelooprodeo.com/ Like us on Facebook | www.facebook.com/inthelooppodcast.jordanjo Tag us on Instagram | www.instagram.com/inthelooppodcast.jordanjo Follow us on TikTok | https://www.tiktok.com/@jordanjo.hollabaugh Watch more on our Youtube Channel Watch on Youtube @ JordanJoHollabaugh ...

IT's just long. John leaves around the 50 minute mark.

Domer, one of the largest traders and liquidity providers on Polymarket comes on the pod to discuss the history and rise of prediction markets.We discuss:* History of Prediction markets* The Venezuelan Election Market* Why Polymarket has grown so much* Where he finds edge, his workflowLinks:Domer TwitterVenezuela Election Post

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Fr. Gabe attended Purdue, where I got to know him. I could tell there was a vocation to religious life almost from the first day I met him. Of course, I was hoping he might be a Dominican, but Gabe was born in South Bend and was/is a Domer through and through. Hear his story his experiences on the journey and what it has been like to serve as a priest at Notre Dame.

Wasabi interviews @domahhhh, the top trader on Polymarket. We investigate the $DJT memecoin's realness, strategies for betting on the US elections, mental models for making better predictions, and more. NOTE: This podcast was recorded before Domer placed a $70k bet with Martin Shkreli on if the DJT coin has authentic Trump family provenance. Alternate Listening Links: spotify, apple podcasts We talk: - Strategy for trading election night, the debates, and predicting Trump's VP pick - How Domer called the 25:1 pick of Sarah Palin as John McCain's running mate. - Books & useful mental models for trading prediction markets - Boosting returns with LP rewards on Polymarket Follow @Domahhh on X and get his top list of book recommendations: https://x.com/Domahhhh/status/1087527042529222656

The Deal That Changed My Life- Jimmy Domer   If you enjoyed this podcast we would appreciate a positive review...  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/real-estate-reserve-podcast/id1507982777

Every year, Star Spangled Gamblers hosts the Golden Modelos—an awards show for the best and worst of political gambling in the previous year. Abhi Kylasa (AENews) and Vanilla Vice return to the show to discuss which nominees should make the ballot. Timestamps 0:00: Pratik introduces the Golden Modelos and why they matter 5:56: Vice introduces the Golden Modelos 6:53: Pratik explains the Golden Modelos process 8:33: Best Market 9:27: Room temperature superconductor 10:15: Will 2023 be the hottest year market 11:23: Best Trade 11:27: Bonding the Bitcoin ETF market 12:33: Domer buying Ramaswamy at 500-1 12:49: Ian Bezek recommending buying Javier Milei 13:05: Gaeten Dugas buying Taylor Swift to be number one song 13:12: Domer debt limit profits 13:17: Worst Trade 14:19: Mr. Beast subscriber count 14:44: MagaVacuum side betting that DeSantis won't run for president 15:05: Polymarket user losing $100k on Trump reinstatement 15:21: Abe Kurland side bets on Ramaswamy 17:21: Best Shitposter 19:06: Domer's shitposting 19:56: RelayThief's shitposting 20:44: Rookie of the Year 21:12: Naman Mehndiratta 22:39: Manifold Markets 23:20: Betting platforms 23:48: TheWinner 25:29: Trader of the Year 25:46: ANoland 26:07: Gaeten Dugas 27:59: Jonathan Zubkoff (ZubbyBadger) 28:33: Doug Campbell 29:05: Worst Pump 31:04: Kalshi election contracts 31:15: Hamas control of Gaza 32:00: Trump third indictment  32:44: Semiconductor yes holders 33:40: RFK Democratic nominee 33:46: AI to win Time Person of the Year 34:22: Best News Source 34:41: Politico Punchbowl 35:00: PredictIt comments 35:28: The Information's coverage of OpenAI 35:50: RacetotheWH by Logan Phillips 37:29: CSP Discord 38:36: Service to Political Gambling 38:36: PredictIt 39:50: Biggest Rules Cuck 39:56: Government Shutdown 40:33: Lower case "trump" versus upper case "Trump" 41:23: "widespread flooding" in Los Angeles 42:19: submarine debris 43:04: Trump indictment on March 31 43:48: U.S. rescue of Hamas hostages 44:19: Biggest Rules Dispute 44:50: Did Israel have advanced knowledge of Hamas attack 45:59: Postscript 46:17: Abe Kurland's response to Worst Bet nomination 47:53: CSP vs. CatClan Discords Trade on Polymarket, the world's largest prediction market at polymarket.com  Follow SSG on Twitter @ssgamblers

Upgrading To Larger Real Estate Assets with Jimmy Domer If you enjoyed this podcast we would appreciate a positive review...  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/real-estate-reserve-podcast/id1507982777

Kelsie Domer paved the way for the underdog story in 2023 when she came through the Last Chance Qualifier and advanced her way to the top prize to win the $60,000 purse and claim the WRWC World Champion Breakaway Roper 2023! Kelsie is a mom first, wife, and then breakaway roper at heart! Her family is a priority that she chooses throughout the year, so the WRWC event is a huge advantage to her and they way she gets to travel!Through her 2023 WRWC title, Kelsie went on to compete at the Rodeo North Carolina in 2023 as well, nominating just a few events, to get her another $10,000 BONUS payday for being 2nd in points overall for the year end breakaway roper in the WCRA's 2023 tour! Kelsie talks about the opportunity for professional women in rodeo, and just what it means to be given that equal opportunity and the platform to compete not only as a breakaway roper but as a team roper as well! If you have not marked your calendars yet, block out May 9-18 in Fort Worth Texas at the historic Stockyards Coliseum to get the jam packed action of women in rodeo! This week is one of the most iconic weeks in the world of womens rodeo and it's all possible because of the Women's Rodeo World Championships! For more information please check out the important dates below! Important Dates; Last Chance Qualifier Cowgirl Gathering May 9 – 12 All details at cowgirlgathering.com Will Rogers Memorial CenterWRWC Pro or Challenger Package includes:Last Chance Qualifier 2025 QS Open nominationSidepot entry feeSidepot nominationEntry fee = $150May 13 – 16 – Cowtown ColiseumMonday, May 13 - Round 1 – 2 p.m.Tuesday, May 14 - Round 2 – 10 a.m.Wednesday, May 15 – Semi-Finals – 9 a.m.Thursday, May 16 – Team Roping and Breakaway Roping Showdown Round – 10 a.m. Saturday, May 18 – Championship Round – 7:30 p.m. @AT&T StadiumRichest Week in Women's RodeoCowgirl GatheringWRWCPam Minick Lifetime Achievement AwardPBR World Finalsin the LOOP Podcast hosted by Jordan Jo Hollabaugh, is inspired by the western culture and breakaway roping lifestyle. This podcast highlights the raw, real, truth behind the box of the breakaway roping industry. Bringing you behind the scenes stories of what real life looks like everyday from; breakaway ropers, cowgirls, cowboys, producers, leaders, trailblazers, and the like, all sharing stories of the western culture and lifestyle that they live daily. Get in the LOOP Podcast with Jordan Jo Get the Newsletter at | www.inthelooprodeo.com/ Like us on Facebook | www.facebook.com/inthelooppodcast.jordanjo Tag us on Instagram | www.instagram.com/inthelooppodcast.jordanjo Follow us on TikTok | https://www.tiktok.com/@jordanjo.hollabaugh Watch more on our Youtube Channel Watch on Youtube @ JordanJoHollabaugh

Kelsie, otherwise known as Oaklynn's mom, comes into her 2nd NFBR with back number #5! Kelsie barely missed qualifying to last year's NFBR but meanwhile she and husband Ryan became first time parents to their beautiful baby girl, they call it their biggest win yet! Kelsie kicked off the year with consistent wins, and finished even stronger. She made a statement in the Northwest, winning $21,000 in two short weeks, and following up at the Governor's Cup in Sioux falls with a $17,000 hit. Throughout her career, Kelsie has always been a confident leader and fierce competitor, and she attributes so much of her success to her family, and support system! We are ready for this cowgirl to make a statement at Las Vegas this year, and can't wait to see what her and her 17 year old horse Little Man bring home to Dublin! in the LOOP Podcast hosted by Jordan Jo Hollabaugh, is inspired by the western culture and breakaway roping lifestyle. This podcast highlights the raw, real, truth behind the box of the breakaway roping industry. Bringing you behind the scenes stories of what real life looks like everyday from; breakaway ropers, cowgirls, cowboys, producers, leaders, trailblazers, and the like, all sharing stories of the western culture and lifestyle that they live daily. Get in the LOOP Podcast with Jordan Jo Get the Newsletter at https://www.thebreakawayropingpodcast.com Like us on Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/intheloopbreakaway Tag us on Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/intheloopbreakaway Follow us on TikTok | https://www.tiktok.com/@jordanjo.hollabaugh Watch more on our Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjpVQcSSiobXsMiD89OvTvA

In this episode, Emily Sutton-Smith chats with Scenic Designer Kirk Domer. Kirk's 17th scenic design for the WT stage is currently creating the world for On the Market, through October 22, 2023. Emily and Kirk chat about his past designs, what he finds inspiring, and what's up next for him.

Intro: Pratik Chougule  Part I: Jonathan Zubkoff (Zubby Badger) discusses the possibility of a government shutdown and how it will likely be averted Part II: Mick Bransfield discusses the new judge, David Ezra, who will be overseeing the PredictIt case at the district court Part III: Pratik responds to mailbag from Domer on overconfident marks in political betting markets and argues for recruiting experts to participate in prediction markets   1:45: Pratik promotes the Manifest Conference https://www.manifestconference.net/ 5:46: Zubby on the possibility of a government shutdown 30:02: Mick Bransfield on David Ezra, the new judge who will oversee the PredictIt case at the district court 38:47: Pratik responds to mailbag from Domer on arrogance in political betting and argues for recruiting experts into political prediction markets

Jonathan Domer was nominated as Beck's Player with Heart for his commitment and passion on and off the field. His favorite part about high school sports is learning to work together as a team, building friendships, and developing leadership skills. To Jonathan, agriculture is about carrying on family traditions and making an impact not only locally but on a global scale as well. He is involved in FFA, Drug Free Clubs of America, wrestling, football, 4-H, county junior fair board and church youth group. Jonathan's future plans are to run heavy equipment and start a small-scale farm operation after graduation. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome to another episode of Spilling the Beans! Today I'm sitting down with Jimmy Domer up here at the Bratz Manor in Cleveland, Ohio. I met Jimmy a little over a year ago at the smaller mastermind we had at my office in Cleveland. He had just left his job and was looking to grow his rental portfolio. He's done amazing things over the past 12 months: he's doubled his rental portfolio is going to double it again probably in the next six months. We're going to get into all of that and about what the first 12 months were like after leaving his job. So let's go sit down with Jimmy and hear a little bit more about his story. //SAY HI TO JIMMY Instagram: @jimmydomer //LINKS TO MY OFFERS Legacy Wealth Academy: https://www.lwacademy.com/ Commercial Empire: http://commercialempire.com/ Legacy Family Mastermind: http://legacyfamilymastermind.com/ Click here to download our FREE multifamily deal calculator: http://legacywealthholdings.ac-page.com/calculator-giveaway //FOLLOW ME ON SOCIAL IG - https://www.instagram.com/timbratz/​ TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@timbratz Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/tlbratz​ LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/timbratz/​ Website: LegacyWealthHoldings.com //ABOUT ME Tim Bratz is the Founder & CEO of Legacy Wealth Holdings, a leading real estate investment company. He focuses on vision-casting, marketing, & supporting his team of “A” players. He has built his company on integrity (doing what he said he was going to do), fairness (doing the right thing), & transparency (honesty is always the best policy). Tim has dedicated his professional life to studying wealth-building & personal finance. Working in real estate, Tim has learned how to create a passive income that allows him to live the lifestyle of his choice. His goal is to educate & empower others to become financially free through entrepreneurship & real estate investments. https://legacywealthholdings.com //WANT A MORE IN-DEPTH LOOK AT REAL ESTATE INVESTING? Check us out! https://linktr.ee/timbratz SUBSCRIBE NOW so you don't miss a single video! https://www.youtube.com/legacywealth

Listen on: * Spotify* Apple Podcasts* Google PodcastsNote: the core discussion on ethics begins at 7:58 and moves into philosophy of language at ~1:12:19Daniel's stuff:* AI X-risk podcast * The Filan Cabined podcast* Personal website and blogBlurb and bulleted summary from ClongThis wide-ranging conversation between Daniel and Aaron touches on movies, business drama, philosophy of language, ethics and legal theory. The two debate major ethical concepts like utilitarianism and moral realism. Thought experiments around rational beings choosing to undergo suffering feature prominently. meandering tangents explore the semantics of names and references.* Aaron asserts that total utilitarianism does not imply that any amount of suffering can be morally justified by creating more happiness. His argument is that the affirmative case for this offsetting ability has not been clearly made.* He proposes a thought experiment - if offered to experience the suffering of all factory farmed animals in exchange for unlimited happiness, even a perfectly rational being would refuse. This indicates there are some levels of suffering not offsettable.* Aaron links this to experiences like hunger where you realize suffering can be worse than you appreciate normally. This causes his intuition some suffering can't be outweighed.* Daniel disagrees, believing with the right probabilities and magnitudes of suffering versus happiness, rational beings would take that gamble.* For example, Daniel thinks the atomic bombing of Japan could be offset by reducing more suffering. Aaron is less sure given the pain inflicted.* Daniel also proposes offsets for animal farming, but Aaron doesn't think factory farming harm is offsettable by any amount of enjoyment of meat.* They discuss definitions of rationality and whether evolution pressures against suicide impact the rationality of not killing oneself.* Aaron ties his argument to siding with what a perfectly rational being would choose to experience, not necessarily what they would prefer.* They debate whether hypothetical aliens pursuing "schmorality" could point to a concept truly analogous to human morality. Aaron believes not.Transcript(Very imperfect)AARONO'how's, it going it's going all right.DANIELYeah, I just so yesterday I saw Barbie and today I saw Oppenheimer, so it's good to oh, cool. That cultural.AARONNice, nice.DANIELDo you have takes? Yeah, I thought it was all right. It was a decent view of Oppenheimer as a person. It was like a how? I don't know. I feel like the public can tend to be taken in by this physicist figures you get this with quotes, right? Like, the guy was just very good at having fun with journalists, and now we get these amazing nuggets of wisdom from Einstein. I don't know. I think that guy was just having good I don't know. The thing that I'm coming away from is I thought I only watched Barbie because it was coming out on the same day as Oppenheimer, right? Like, otherwise it wouldn't have occurred to me to watch it. I was like, yeah, whatever. Barbie is, like, along for the ride, and Oppenheimer is going to be amazing, but in like, maybe Oppenheimer was a bit better than Barbie, but I'm not even sure of that, actually.AARONYeah, I've been seeing people say that on Twitter. I haven't seen either, but I've been seeing several people say that I'm following, say, like, Barbie was exceptional. And also that kind of makes sense because I'm following all these EA people who are probably care more about the subject matter for the latter one. So it's like, I kind of believe that Barbie is, like, aesthetically better or something. That's my take. Right.DANIELGuess. Well, if you haven't seen them, I guess I don't want to spoil them for you. They're trying to do different things aesthetically. Right. Like, I'm not quite sure I'd want to say one is aesthetically better. Probably in some ways, I think Barbie probably has more aesthetic blunders than Oppenheimer does. Okay. But yeah, I don't know if you haven't seen it, I feel like I don't want to spoil it for you.AARONOkay. No, that's fine. This isn't supposed to be like probably isn't the most important the most interesting thing we could be talking about is that the bar?DANIELOh, jeez.AARONOh, no, that's a terrible bar. That was like an overstatement. That would be a very high bar. It would also be, like, kind of paralyzing. I don't know. Actually know what that would be, honestly. Probably some social juicy gossip thing. Not that we necessarily have any.DANIELYeah, I think your interestingness. Yeah, I think I don't have the know, the closest to gossip thing I saw was like, do you see this bit of Carolyn Elson's diaries and letters to SBF that was leaked to the.AARONNo, I don't. Was this like today or recently? How recently?DANIELThis was like a few days ago.AARONI've been seeing her face on Twitter, but I don't actually think I know anything about this. And no, I would not have.DANIELBackground of who she is and stuff.AARONYeah, hold on. Let the audience know that I am on a beach family vacation against my will. Just kidding. Not against my will. And I have to text my sister back. Okay, there we go. I mean, I broadly know the FTX story. I know that she was wait, I'm like literally blanking on the Alameda.DANIELThat's the name of research.AARONOkay. Yeah. So she was CEO, right? Yeah. Or like some sort of like I think I know the basics.DANIELThe like, she was one of the OG Stanford EA people and was around.AARONYeah, that's like a generation. Not an actual generation, like an EA generation. Which is what, like six years or.DANIELLike the I don't know, I've noticed like, in the there's like I feel like there's this gap between pre COVID people and post COVID people. No one left their house. Partly people moved away, but also you were inside for a while and never saw anyone in person. So it felt like, oh, there's like this crop of new people or something. Whereas in previous years, there'd be some number of new people per year and they'd get gradually integrated in. Anyway, all that is to say that, I don't know, I think SBF's side of the legal battle leaked some documents to The New York Times, which were honestly just like her saying, like, oh, I feel very stressed and I don't like my job, and I'm sort of glad that the thing is blown up now. I don't know. It honestly wasn't that salacious. But I think that's, like, the way I get in the loop on gossip like some of the New York Times.AARONAnd I eventually I love how it's funny that this particular piece of gossip is, like, running through the most famous and prestigious news organization in the world. Or, like, one of them or something. Yeah. Instead of just being like, oh, yeah, these two people are dating, or whatever. Anyway, okay, I will maybe check that out.DANIELYeah, I mean, honestly, it's not even that interesting.AARONThe whole thing is pretty I am pretty. This is maybe bad, but I can't wait to watch the Michael Lewis documentary, pseudo documentary or whatever.DANIELYeah, it'll be good to read the book. Yeah, it's very surreal. I don't know. I was watching Oppenheimer. Right. And I have to admit, part of what I'm thinking is be if humanity survives, there's going to be this style movie about open AI, presumably, right? And I'm like, oh, man, it'll be amazing to see my friend group depicted on film. But that is going to happen. It's just going to be about FTX and about how they're all criminals. So that's not great.AARONYeah, actually, everybody dunks on crypto now, and it's like low status now or whatever. I still think it's really cool. I never had more than maybe $2,000 or whatever, which is not a trivial I mean, it's not a large amount of my money either, but it's not like, nothing. But I don't know, if it wasn't for all the cultural baggage, I feel like I would be a crypto bro or I would be predisposed to being a crypto bro or something.DANIELYeah. I should say I was like joking about the greedy crypto people who want their money to not be stolen. I currently have a Monero sticker on the back of my a big I don't know, I'm a fan of the crypto space. It seems cool. Yeah. I guess especially the bit that is less about running weird scams. The bit that's running weird scams I'm less of a fan of.AARONYeah. Yes. I'm also anti scam. Right, thank you. Okay, so I think that thing that we were talking about last time we talked, which is like the thing I think we actually both know stuff about instead of just like, repeating New York Times articles is my nuanced ethics takes and why you think about talk about that and then we can just also branch off from there.DANIELYeah, we can talk about that.AARONMaybe see where that did. I luckily I have a split screen up, so I can pull up things. Maybe this is kind of like egotistical or something to center my particular view, but you've definitely given me some of the better pushback or whatever that I haven't gotten that much feedback of any kind, I guess, but it's still interesting to hear your take. So basically my ethical position or the thing that I think is true is that which I think is not the default view. I think most people think this is wrong is that total utilitarianism does not imply that for some amount of suffering that could be created there exists some other extremely large arbitrarily, large amount of happiness that could also be created which would morally justify the former. Basically.DANIELSo you think that even under total utilitarianism there can be big amounts of suffering such that there's no way to morally tip the calculus. However much pleasure you can create, it's just not going to outweigh the fact that you inflicted that much suffering on some people.AARONYeah, and I'd highlight the word inflicted if something's already there and you can't do anything about it, that's kind of neither here nor there as it pertains to your actions or something. So it's really about you increasing, you creating suffering that wouldn't have otherwise been created. Yeah. It's also been a couple of months since I've thought about this in extreme detail, although I thought about it quite a bit. Yeah.DANIELMaybe I should say my contrary view, I guess, when you say that, I don't know, does total utilitarianism imply something or not? I'm like, well, presumably it depends on what we mean by total utilitarianism. Right. So setting that aside, I think that thesis is probably false. I think that yeah. You can offset great amounts of suffering with great amounts of pleasure, even for arbitrary amounts of suffering.AARONOkay. I do think that position is like the much more common and even, I'd say default view. Do you agree with that? It's sort of like the implicit position of people who are of self described total utilitarians who haven't thought a ton about this particular question.DANIELYeah, I think it's probably the implicit default. I think it's the implicit default in ethical theory or something. I think that in practice, when you're being a utilitarian, I don't know, normally, if you're trying to be a utilitarian and you see yourself inflicting a large amount of suffering, I don't know. I do think there's some instinct to be like, is there any way we can get around this?AARONYeah, for sure. And to be clear, I don't think this would look like a thought experiment. I think what it looks like in practice and also I will throw in caveats as I see necessary, but I think what it looks like in practice is like, spreading either wild animals or humans or even sentient digital life through the universe. That's in a non as risky way, but that's still just maybe like, say, making the earth, making multiple copies of humanity or something like that. That would be an example that's probably not like an example of what an example of creating suffering would be. For example, just creating another duplicate of earth. Okay.DANIELAnything that would be like so much suffering that we shouldn't even the pleasures of earth outweighs.AARONNot necessarily, which is kind of a cop out. But my inclination is that if you include wild animals, the answer is yes, that creating another earth especially. Yeah, but I'm much more committed to some amount. It's like some amount than this particular time and place in human industry is like that or whatever.DANIELOkay, can I get a feel of some other concrete cases to see?AARONYeah.DANIELSo one example that's on my mind is, like, the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, right? So the standard case for this is, like, yeah, what? A hundred OD thousand people died? Like, quite terrible, quite awful. And a lot of them died, I guess a lot of them were sort of some people were sort of instantly vaporized, but a lot of people died in extremely painful ways. But the countercase is like, well, the alternative to that would have been like, an incredibly grueling land invasion of Japan, where many more people would have died or know regardless of what the actual alternatives were. If you think about the atomic bombings, do you think that's like the kind of infliction of suffering where there's just not an offsetting amount of pleasure that could make that okay?AARONMy intuition is no, that it is offsettable, but I would also emphasize that given the actual historical contingencies, the alternative, the implicit case for the bombing includes reducing suffering elsewhere rather than merely creating happiness. There can definitely be two bad choices that you have to make or something. And my claim doesn't really pertain to that, at least not directly.DANIELRight. Sorry. But when you said you thought your answer was no, you think you can't offset that with pleasure?AARONMy intuition is that you can, but I know very little about how painful those deaths were and how long they lasted.DANIELYeah, so the non offset so it's like, further out than atomic bombing.AARONThat's my guess, but I'm like.DANIELOkay, sure, that's your guess. You're not super confident. That's fine. I guess another thing would be, like, the animal farming system. So, as you're aware, tons of animals get kept in farms for humans to eat, by many count. Many of them live extremely horrible lives. Is there some amount that humans could enjoy meat such that that would be okay?AARONNo. So the only reason I'm hesitating is because, like, the question is, like, what the actual alternative is here, but, like, if it's like, if it's, like, people enjoy, like, a meat a normal amount and there's no basically the answer is no. Although, like, what I would actually endorse doing depends on what the alternative is.DANIELOkay, but you think that factory farming is so bad that it's not offsettable by pleasure.AARONYeah, that's right. I'm somewhat maybe more confident than the atomic bombing case, but again, I don't know what it's like to be a factory farm pig. I wouldn't say I'm, like, 99% sure. Probably more than 70% or something. Or 70%, like, conditional on me being right about this thesis, I guess something like that, which I'm like. Yeah, okay. I don't know. Some percent, maybe, not probably not 99% sure, but also more than 60. Probably more than 70% sure or something.DANIELAll right. Yeah. So I guess maybe can you tell us a little bit about why you would believe that there's some threshold that you like where you can no longer compensate by permitting pleasure?AARONYes. Let me run through my argument and sort of a motivation, and the motivation actually is sort of more a direct answer to what you just said. So the actual argument that I have and I have a blog post about this that I'll link, it was part of an EA forum post also that you'll also link in the show description is that the affirmative default case doesn't seem to actually be made anywhere. That's not the complete argument, but it's a core piece of it, which is that it seems to be, like, the default received view, which doesn't mean it's wrong, but does mean that we should be skeptical. If you accept that I'm right, that the affirmative case hasn't been made, we can talk about that. Then you should default to some other heuristic. And the heuristic that I assert and sort of argue, but kind of just assert is a good heuristic is. Okay. Is you do the following thought experiment. If I was a maximally or perfectly rational being, would I personally choose to undergo this amount of suffering in compensation or not compensation, exchange for later undergoing or earlier undergoing some arbitrarily large amount of happiness. And I personally have the intuition that there are events or things that certainly conceivable states and almost certainly possible states that I could be in such that even as a rational being, like as a maximum rational being, I would choose to just disappear and not exist rather than undergo both of these things.DANIELOkay.AARONYeah.DANIELWhy do you think that?AARONYeah, so good question. I think the answer comes at a couple of different levels. So there's a question of why I'm saying it and why I'm saying it is because I'm pretty sure this is the answer I would actually give if actually given if Credibly offered this option. But that just pushes the question back. Okay, why do I feel that.DANIELEven what option are we talking about here? There exists a thing such that for.AARONAll pleasures, basically, for example, let's just run with the fact, the assumption that a genie God descends. And I think it's credible, and he offers that I can live the life of every factory, farmed animal in exchange for whatever I want for any amount of time or something like that. Literally, I don't have to give the answer now. It can just be like an arbitrarily good state for an arbitrarily long period of time.DANIELOh, yeah.AARONAnd not only would I say the words no, I don't want to do that, I think that the words no, I don't want to do that, are selfishly in a non pejorative sense. Correct. And then there's a question of why do I have that intuition? And now I'm introspecting, which is maybe not super reliable. I think part of my intuition that I can kind of maybe sort of access via introspection just comes from basically, I'm very fortunate to not have had a mostly relatively comfortable life, like as a Westerner with access to painkillers, living in the 21st century. Even still, there have definitely been times when I've been suffered, at least not in a relative sense, but just like, in an absolute sense to me, in a pretty bad way. And one example I can give was just like, I was on a backpacking trip, and this is the example I give in another blog post I can link. I was on a backpacking trip, and we didn't have enough food, and I was basically very hungry for like five days. And I actually think that this is a good and I'm rambling on, but I'll finish up. I think it's illustrative. I think there's some level of suffering where you're still able to do at least for me, I'm still able to do something like reasoning and intentionally storing memories. One of the memories I tried to intentionally codify via language or something was like, yeah, this is really bad, this really sucks, or something like, that what.DANIELSucked about it, you were just like, really hungry yeah.AARONFor five days.DANIELOkay. And you codified the thought, like, feeling of this hunger I'm feeling, this really sucks.AARONSomething like that. Right. I could probably explicate it more, but that's basically okay. Actually, hold on. All right. Let me add so not just it really sucks, but it sucks in a way that I can't normally appreciate, so I don't normally have access to how bad it sucks. I don't want to forget about this later or something.DANIELYeah. The fact that there are pains that are really bad where you don't normally appreciate how bad they are, it's not clear how that implies non offset ability.AARONRight, I agree. It doesn't.DANIELOkay.AARONI do think that's causally responsible for my intuition that I lend link to a heuristic that I then argue does constitute an argument in the absence of other arguments for offset ability.DANIELYeah. Okay. So that causes this intuition, and then you give some arguments, and the argument is like, you think that if a genie offered you to live liable factory farmed animals in exchange for whatever you wanted, you wouldn't go for that.AARONYes. And furthermore, I also wouldn't go for it if I was much more rational.DANIELIf you were rational, yeah. Okay. Yeah. What do I think about this? One thing I think is that the I think the case of live experience this suffering and then experience this pleasure, to me, I think that this is kind of the wrong way to go about this. Because the thing about experiencing suffering is that it's not just we don't live in this totally dualistic world where suffering just affects only your immaterial mind or something in a way where afterwards you could just be the same. In the real world, suffering actually affects you. Right. Perhaps indelibly. I think instead, maybe the thing I'd want to say is suppose you're offered a gamble, right, where there's like a 1% chance that you're going to have to undergo excruciating suffering and a 99% chance that you get extremely awesome pleasures or something.AARONYeah.DANIELAnd this is meant to model a situation in which you do some action in which one person is going to undergo really bad suffering and 99 other people are going to undergo really great pleasure. And to me, I guess my intuition is that for any bad thing, you could make the probability small enough and you can make the rest of the probability mass good enough that I want to do that. I feel like that's worth it for me. And now it feels a little bit unsatisfying that we're just going that we're both drilling down to, like, well, this is the choice I would make, and then maybe you can disagree that it's the choice you would make. But yeah, I guess about the gambling case, what do you think about that? Let's say it's literally a one in a million chance that you would have to undergo, let's say, the life of one factory farmed animal.AARONYeah.DANIELOr is that not enough? Do you want it to be like, more?AARONWell, I guess it would have to be like one of the worst factory farmed animals. Life, I think would make that like.DANIELYeah, okay, let's say it's like, maybe literally one in a billion chance.AARONFirst of all, I do agree that these are basically isomorphic or morally equivalent, or if anything, time ordering in my example does mess things up a little bit, I'll be happy to reverse them or say that instead compare one person to 1000 people. So, yeah, you can make the probability small enough that my intuition changes. Yeah. So in fact, 1%, I'm very like, no, definitely not doing that. One in a million. I'm like, I don't know, kind of 50 50. I don't have a strong intuition either way. 100 trillion. I have the intuition. You know what? That's just not going to happen. That's my first order intuition. I do think that considering the case where you live, one being lives both lives, or you have, say, one being undergoing the suffering and then like 100 trillion undergoing the pleasure makes small probabilities more if you agree that they're sort of isomorphic makes them more complete or something like that, or complete more real in some. Not tangible is not the right word, but more right.DANIELYou're less tempted to round it to zero.AARONYeah. And so I tend to think that I trust my intuitions more about reasoning. Okay, there's one person undergoing suffering and like 100 trillion undergoing happiness as it pertains to the question of offset ability more than I trust my intuitions about small probabilities.DANIELI guess that's strange because that strikes me as strange because I feel like you're regularly in situations where you make choices that have some probability of causing you quite bad suffering, but a large probability of being fun. Like going to the beach. There could be a shark there. I guess this is maybe against your will, but you can go to a restaurant, maybe get food poisoning, but how often are you like, oh man, if I flip this switch, one person will be poisoned, but 99 people will?AARONWell, then you'd have to think that, okay, staying home would actually be safer for some reason, which I don't affirmatively think is true, but this actually does work out for the question of whether you should kill yourself. And there hopefully this doesn't get censored by Apple or whatever, so nobody do that. But there I just think that my lizard brain or there's enough evolutionary pressure to not trust that I would be rational when it comes to the question of whether to avoid a small chance of suffering by unaliving myself, as they say on TikTok.DANIELHang on, evolution is pressured. So there's some evolutionary pressure to make sure you really don't want to kill yourself, but you think that's like, irrational.AARONI haven't actually given this a ton of thought. It gets hard when you loop in altruism and yeah, the question also there's like some chance that of sentient's after death, there's not literally zero or something like that. Yeah, I guess those are kind of cop outs. So I don't know, I feel like it certainly could be. And I agree this is sort of like a strike against my argument or something. I can set up a situation you have no potential to improve the lives of others, and you can be absolutely sure that you're not going to experience any sentience after death. And then I feel like my argument does kind of imply that, yeah, that's like the rational thing to do. I wouldn't do it. Right. So I agree. This is like a strike against me.DANIELYeah. I guess I just want to make two points. So the first point I want to make is just methodologically. If we're talking about which are you likely to be more rational about gambles of small risks, small probabilities of risk versus large rewards as opposed to situations where you can do a thing that affects a large number of people one way and a small number of people another way? I think the gambles are more like decisions that you make a bunch and you should be rational about and then just the second thing in terms of like, I don't know, I took you to be making some sort of argument along the lines of there's evolutionary pressure to want to not kill yourself. Therefore, that's like a debunking explanation. The fact that there was evolutionary pressure to not kill ourselves means that our instinct that we shouldn't kill ourselves is irrational. Whereas I would tend to look at it and say the fact that there was very strong evolutionary pressure to not kill ourselves is an explanation of why I don't want to kill myself. And I see that as affirming the choice to not kill myself, actually.AARONWell, I just want to say I don't think it's an affirmative argument that it is irrational. I think it opens up the question. I think it means it's more plausible that for other I guess not even necessarily for other reasons, but it just makes it more plausible that it is irrational. Well.DANIELYeah, I take exactly the opposite view. Okay. I think that if I'm thinking about, like, oh, what do I really want? If I consider my true preferences, do I really want to kill myself or something? And then I learn that, oh, evolution has shaped me to not kill myself, I think the inference I should make is like, oh, I guess probably the way evolution did that is that it made it such that my true desires are to not kill myself.AARONYeah. So one thing is I just don't think preferences have any intrinsic value. So I don't know, we might just like I guess I should ask, do you agree with that or disagree with.DANIELThat do I think preferences have intrinsic value? No, but so no, but I think like, the whole game here is like, what do I prefer? Or like, what would I prefer if I understood things really clearly?AARONYes. And this is something I didn't really highlight or maybe I didn't say it at all, is that I forget if I really argue it or kind of just assert it, but I at least assert that the answer to hedonic utilitarian. What you should do under hedonic utilitarianism is maybe not identical to, but exactly the same as what a rational agent would do or what a rational agent would prefer if they were to experience everything that this agent would cause. Or something like that. And so these should give you the exact same answers is something I believe sure. Because I do think preferences are like we're built to understand or sort of intuit and reason about our own preferences.DANIELKind of, yeah. But broadly, I guess the point I'm making at a high level is just like if we're talking about what's ethical or what's good or whatever, I take this to ultimately be a question about what should I understand myself as preferring? Or to the extent that it's not a question of that, then it's like, I don't know, then I'm a bit less interested in the exercise.AARONYeah. It's not ideal that I appeal to this fake and that fake ideally rational being or something. But here's a reason you might think it's more worth thinking about this. Maybe you've heard about I think Tomasic makes an argument about yeah. At least in principle, you can have a pig that's in extreme pain but really doesn't want to be killed still or doesn't want to be taken out of its suffering or whatever, true ultimate preference or whatever. And so at least I think this is pretty convincing evidence that you can have where that's just like, wrong about what would be good for it, you know what I mean?DANIELYeah, sorry, I'm not talking about preference versus hedonic utilitarianism or anything. I'm talking about what do I want or what do I want for living things or something. That's what I'm talking about.AARONYeah. That language elicits preferences to me and I guess the analogous but the idea.DANIELIs that the answer to what I want for living things could be like hedonic utilitarianism, if you see what I mean.AARONOr it could be by that do you mean what hedonic utilitarianism prescribes?DANIELYeah, it could be that what I want is that just whatever maximizes beings pleasure no matter what they want.AARONYeah. Okay. Yeah, so I agree with that.DANIELYeah. So anyway, heading back just to the suicide case right. If I learn that evolution has shaped me to not want to kill myself, then that makes me think that I'm being rational in my choice to not kill myself.AARONWhy?DANIELBecause being rational is something like optimally achieving your goals. And I'm a little bit like I sort of roughly know the results of killing myself, right? There might be some question about like, but what are my goals? And if I learned that evolution has shaped my goals such that I would hate killing myself right, then I'm like, oh, I guess killing myself probably ranks really low on the list of states ordered by how much I like them.AARONYeah, I guess then it seems like you have two mutually incompatible goals. Like, one is staying alive and one is hedonic utilitarianism and then you have to choose which of these predominates or whatever.DANIELYeah, well, I think that to the extent that evolution is shaping me to not want to commit suicide, it looks like the not killing myself one is winning. I think it's evidence. I don't think it's conclusive. Right. Because there could be multiple things going on. But I take evolutionary explanations for why somebody would want X. I think that's evidence that they are rational in pursuing X rather than evidence that they are irrational in pursuing X.AARONSometimes that's true, but not always. Yeah, there's a lot in general it is. Yeah. But I feel like moral anti realistic, we can also get into that. Are going to not think this is like woo or Joe Carl Smith says when he's like making fun of moralists I don't know, in a tongue in cheek way. In one of his posts arguing for explicating his stance on antirealism basically says moral realists want to say that evolution is not sensitive to moral reasons and therefore evolutionary arguments. Actually, I don't want to quote him from memory. I'll just assert that evolution is sensitive to a lot of things, but one of them is not moral reasons and therefore evolutionary arguments are not a good evidence or are not good evidence when it comes to purely, maybe not even purely, but philosophical claims or object level moral claims, I guess, yeah, they can be evidenced by something, but not that.DANIELYeah, I think that's wrong because I think that evolution why do I think it's wrong? I think it's wrong because what are we talking about when we talk about morality? We're talking about some logical object that's like the completion of a bunch of intuitions we have. Right. And those I haven't thought about intuitions are the product of evolution. The reason we care about morality at all is because of evolution under the standard theory that evolution is the reason our brains are the way they are.AARONYeah, I think this is a very strange coincidence and I am kind of weirded out by this, but yes, I.DANIELDon'T think it's a coincidence or like not a coincidence.AARONSo it's not a coincidence like conditional honor, evolutionary history. It is like no extremely lucky or something that we like, of course we'd find it earthlings wound up with morality and stuff. Well, of course you would.DANIELWait. Have you read the metafic sequence by Elizar? Yudkowski.AARONI don't think so. And I respect Elias a ton, except I think he's really wrong about ethics and meta ethics in a lot of like I don't even know if I but I have not, so I'm not really giving them full time.DANIELOkay. I don't know. I basically take this from my understanding of the meta ethics sequence, which I recommend people read, but I don't think it's a coincidence. I don't think we got lucky. I think it's a coincidence. There are some species that get evolved, right, and they end up caring about schmorality, right?AARONYeah.DANIELAnd there are some species that get evolved, right? And they end up caring about the prime numbers or whatever, and we evolved and we ended up caring about morality. And it's not like a total so, okay, partly I'm just like, yeah, each one of them is really glad they didn't turn out to be the other things. The ones that care about two of.AARONThem are wrong, but two of them are wrong.DANIELWell, they're morally wrong. Two of them do morally wrong things all the time. Right?AARONI want to say that I hate when people say that. Sorry. So what I am saying is that you can call those by different names, but if I'm understanding this argument right, they all think that they're getting at the same core concept, which is like, no, what should we do in some okay, so does schmorality have any sort of normativity?DANIELNo, it has schmormativity.AARONOkay, well, I don't know what schmormativity is.DANIELYou know how normativity I feel like that's good. Schmormativity is about promoting the schmud.AARONOkay, so it sounds like that's just normativity, except it's normativity about different propositions. That's what it sounds like.DANIELWell, basically, I don't know, instead of these schmalians wait, no, they're aliens. They're not shmalians. They're aliens. They just do a bunch of schmud things, right? They engage in projects, they try and figure out what the schmud is. They pursue a schmud and then they look at humans, they're like, oh, these humans are doing morally good things. That's horrible. I'm so glad that we pursue the schmood instead.AARONYeah, I don't know if it's incoherent. I don't think they're being incoherent. Your description of a hypothetical let's just take for granted whatever in the thought experiment is in fact happening. I think your description is not correct. And the reason it's not correct is because there is like, what's a good analogy? So when it comes to abstract concepts in general, it is very possible for okay, I feel like it's hard to explain directly, but here an analogy, is you can have two different people who have very different conceptions of justice, but fundamentally are earnestly trying to get at the same thing. Maybe justice isn't well defined or isn't like, actually, I should probably have come up with a good example here. But you know what? I'm happy to change the word for what I use as morality or whatever, but it has the same core meaning, which is like, okay, really, what should you do at the end of the day?DANIELYeah.AARONWhat should you do?DANIELWhereas they care about morality, which is what they should do, which is a different thing. They have strong desires to do what they should do.AARONI don't think it is coherent to say that there are multiple meanings of the word should or multiple kinds. Yeah.DANIELNo, there aren't.AARONSorry. There aren't multiple meanings of the word should. Fine.DANIELThere's just a different word, which is schmood, which means something different, and that's what their desires are pegged to.AARONI don't think it's coherent, given what you've already the entire picture, I think, is incoherent. Given everything else besides the word schmoud, it is incoherent to assert that there is something broadly not analogous, like maybe isomorphic to normativity or, like, the word should. Yeah. There is only what's yeah. I feel like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be able to verbalize it super well. I do. Yeah. Can you take something can you pick.DANIELA sentence that I said that was wrong or that was incoherent?AARONWell, it's all wrong because these aliens don't exist.DANIELThe aliens existed.AARONOkay, well, then we're debating, like, I actually don't know. It depends. You're asserting something about their culture and psychology, and then the question is, like, are you right or wrong about that? If we just take for granted that you're right, then you're right. All right. I'm saying no, you can't be sure. So conditional on being right, you're right. Then there's a question of, like, okay, what is the probability? So, like, conditional on aliens with something broad, are you willing to accept this phrase, like, something broadly analogous to morality? Is that okay?DANIELYeah, sure.AARONOkay. So if we accept that there's aliens with something broadly analogous to morality, then you want to say that they can have not only a different word, but truly a pointer to a different concept. And I think that's false.DANIELSo you think that in conceptual space, there's morality and that there's, like, nothing near it for miles.AARONThe study, like yeah, basically. At least when we're talking about, like, the like, at the at the pre conclusion stage. So, like, before you get to the point where you're like, oh, yeah, I'm certain that, like, the answer is just that we need, like, we need to make as many tennis balls as possible or whatever the general thing of, like, okay, broadly, what is the right thing to do? What should I do? Would it be good for me to do this cluster of things yeah. Is, like, miles from everything else.DANIELOkay. I think there's something true to that. I think I agree with that in some ways and on others, my other response is I think it's not a total coincidence that humans ended up caring about morality. I think if you look at these evolutionary arguments for why humans would be motivated to pursue morality. They rely on very high level facts. Like, there are a bunch of humans around. There's not one human who's, like, a billion times more powerful than everyone else. We have language. We talk through things. We reason. We need to make decisions. We need to cooperate in certain ways to produce stuff. And it's not about the fact that we're bipedal or something. So in that sense, I think it's not a total coincidence that we ended up caring about morality. And so in some sense, I think because that's true, you could maybe say you couldn't slightly tweak our species that it cared about something other than morality, which is kind of like saying that there's nothing that close to morality in concept space.AARONBut I think I misspoke earlier what I should have said is that it's very weird that we care about that most people at least partially care about suffering and happiness. I think that's just a true statement. Sorry, that is the weird thing. Why is it weird? The weird thing is that it happens to be correct, even though I only.DANIELHave what do you mean it's correct?AARONNow we have to get okay, so this is going into moral realism. I think moral realism is true, at least.DANIELSorry, what do you mean by moral realism? Wait, different by moral realism?AARONYes. So I actually have sort of a weak version of moral realism, which is, like, not that normative statements are true, but that there is, like, an objective. So if you can rank hypothetical states of the world in an ordinal way such that one is objectively better than another.DANIELYes. Okay. I agree with that, by the way. I think that's true. Okay.AARONIt sounds like you're a moral realist.DANIELYeah, I am.AARONOkay. Oh, really? Okay. I don't know. I thought you weren't. Okay, cool.DANIELLots of people in my reference class aren't. I think most Bay Area rationalists are not moral realists, but I am.AARONOkay. Maybe I was confused. Okay, that's weird. Okay. Sorry about that. Wait, so what do I mean by it happens to be true? It's like it happens to coincide with yeah, sorry, go ahead.DANIELYou said it happens to be correct that we care about morality or that we care about suffering and pleasure and something and stuff.AARONMaybe that wasn't the ideal terminology it happens to so, like, it's not morally correct? The caring about it isn't the morally correct thing. It seems sort of like the caring is instrumentally useful in promoting what happens to be legitimately good or something. Or, like legitimately good or something like that.DANIELBut but I think, like so the aliens could say a similar thing, right? They could say, like, oh, hey, we've noticed that we all care about schmurality. We all really care about promoting Schmeasure and avoiding Schmuffering. Right? And they'd say, like, they'd say, like, yeah, what's? What's wrong?AARONI feel like it's not maybe I'm just missing something, but at least to me, it's like, only adding to the confusion to talk about two different concepts of morality rather than just like, okay, this alien thinks that you should tile the universe paperclips, or something like that, or even that more reasonably, more plausibly. Justice is like that. Yeah. I guess this gets back to there's only one concept anywhere near that vicinity in concept space or something. Maybe we disagree about that. Yeah.DANIELOkay. If I said paperclips instead of schmorality, would you be happy?AARONYes.DANIELI mean, cool, okay, for doing the.AARONMorally correct thing and making me happy.DANIELI strive to. But take the paperclipper species, right? What they do is they notice, like, hey, we really care about making paperclips, right? And, hey, the fact that we care about making paperclips, that's instrumentally useful in making sure that we end up making a bunch of paperclips, right? Isn't that an amazing coincidence that we ended up caring our desires were structured in this correct way that ends up with us making a bunch of paperclips. Is that like, oh, no, total coincidence. That's just what you cared about.AARONYou left at the part where they assert that they're correct about this. That's the weird thing.DANIELWhat proposition are they correct about?AARONOr sorry, I don't think they're correct implicitly.DANIELWhat proposition do they claim they're correct about?AARONThey claim that the world in which there is many paperclips is better than the world in which there is fewer paperclips.DANIELOh, no, they just think it's more paperclipy. They don't think it's better. They don't care about goodness. They care about paperclips.AARONSo it sounds like we're not talking about anything remotely like morality, then, because I could say, yeah, morality, morality. It's pretty airy. It's a lot of air in here. I don't know, maybe I'm just confused.DANIELNo, what I'm saying is, so you're like, oh, it's like this total coincidence that humans we got so lucky. It's so weird that humans ended up caring about morality, and it's like, well, we had to care about something, right? Like anything we don't care about.AARONOh, wow, sorry, I misspoke earlier. And I think that's generating some confusion. I think it's a weird coincidence that we care about happiness and suffering.DANIELHappiness and suffering, sorry. Yeah, but mutatus mutantus, I think you want to say that's like a weird coincidence. And I'm like, well, we had to care about something.AARONYeah, but it could have been like, I don't know, could it have been otherwise, right? At least conceivably it could have been otherwise.DANIELYeah, the paperclip guys, they're like, conceivably, we could have ended up caring about pleasure and suffering. I'm so glad we avoided that.AARONYeah, but they're wrong and we're right.DANIELRight about what?AARONAnd then maybe I don't agree. Maybe this isn't the point you're making. I'm sort of saying that in a blunt way to emphasize it. I feel like people should be skeptical when I say, like okay, I have good reason to think that even though we're in a very similar epistemic position, I have reason to believe that we're right and not the aliens. Right. That's like a hard case to make, but I do think it's true.DANIELThere's no proposition that the aliens and us disagree on yes.AARONThe intrinsic value of pleasure and happiness.DANIELYeah, no, they don't care about value. They care about schmalu, which is just.AARONLike, how much paperclips there is. I don't think that's coherent. I don't think they can care about value.DANIELOkay.AARONThey can, but only insofar as it's a pointer to the exact same not exact, but like, basically the same concept as our value.DANIELSo do you reject the orthogonality thesis?AARONNo.DANIELOkay. I think that is super intelligent.AARONYeah.DANIELSo I take the orthogonality thesis to mean that really smart agents can be motivated by approximately any desires. Does that sound right to you?AARONYeah.DANIELSo what if the desire is like, produce a ton of paperclips?AARONYeah, it can do that descriptively. It's not morally good.DANIELOh, no, it's not morally good at all. They're not trying to be morally good. They're just trying to produce a bunch of paperclips.AARONOkay, in that case, we don't disagree. Yeah, I agree. This is like a conceivable state of the world.DANIELYeah. But what I'm trying to say is when you say it's weird that we got lucky the reason you think it's weird is that you're one of the humans who cares about pleasure and suffering. Whereas if you were one of the aliens who cared about paperclips. The analogous shmarin instead of Aaron would be saying, like, oh, it's crazy that we care about paperclips, because that actually causes us to make a ton of paperclips.AARONDo they intrinsically care about paperclips or is it a means of cement?DANIELIntrinsically, like, same as in the Orphogonality thesis.AARONDo they experience happiness because of the paperclips or is it more of a functional intrinsic value?DANIELI think they probably experience happiness when they create paperclips, but they're not motivated by the happiness. They're motivated by like, they're happy because they succeeded at their goal of making tons of paperclips. If they can make tons of paperclips but not be happy about it, they'd be like, yeah, we should do that. Sorry. No, they wouldn't. They'd say, like, we should do that and then they would do it.AARONWould your case still work if we just pretended that they're not sentient?DANIELYeah, sure.AARONOkay. I think this makes it cleaner for both sides. Yeah, in that case, yes. So I think the thing that I reject is that there's an analog term that's anything like morality in their universe. They can use a different word, but it's pointing to the same concept.DANIELWhen you say anything like morality. So the shared concepts sorry, the shared properties between morality and paperclip promotion is just that you have a species that is dedicated to promoting it.AARONI disagree. I think morality is about goodness and badness.DANIELYes, that's right.AARONOkay. And I think it is totally conceivable. Not even conceivable. So humans wait, what's a good example? In some sense I intrinsically seem to value about regular. I don't know if this is a good example. Let's run with it intrinsically value like regulating my heartbeat. It happens to be true that this is conducive to my happiness and at least local non suffering. But even if it weren't, my brain stem would still try really hard to keep my heart beating or something like that. I reject that there's any way in which promoting heart beatingness is an intrinsic moral or schmoral value or even that could be it could be hypothesized as one but it is not in fact one or something like that.DANIELOkay.AARONLikewise, these aliens could claim that making paperclips is intrinsically good. They could also just make them and not make that claim. And those are two very different things.DANIELThey don't claim it's good. They don't think it's good.AARONThey think it's claim it schmud.DANIELWhich they prefer. Yeah, they prefer.AARONDon't. I think that is also incoherent. I think there is like one concept in that space because wait, I feel like also this is just like at some point it has to cash out in the real world. Right? Unless we're talking about really speculative not even physics.DANIELWhat I mean is they just spend all of their time promoting paperclips and then you send them a copy of Jeremy Bentham's collected writings, they read it and they're like all right, cool. And then they just keep on making paperclips because that's what they want to do.AARONYeah. So descriptively.DANIELSure.AARONBut they never claim that. It's like we haven't even introduced objectivity to this example. So did they ever claim that it's objectively the right thing to do?DANIELNo, they claim that it's objectively the paperclipy thing to do.AARONI agree with that. It is the paperclippy thing to do.DANIELYeah, they're right about stuff. Yeah.AARONSo they're right about that. They're just not a right. So I do think this all comes back down to the question of whether there's analogous concepts in near ish morality that an alien species might point at. Because if there's not, then the paperclippiness is just like a totally radically different type of thing.DANIELBut why does it like when did I say that they were closely analogous? This is what I don't understand.AARONSo it seems to be insinuated by the closeness of the word semantic.DANIELOh yeah, whatever. When I was making it a similar sounding word, all I meant to say is that they talk about it plays a similar role in their culture as morality plays in our culture. Sorry. In terms of their motivations, I should say. Oh, yeah.AARONI think there's plenty of human cultures that are getting at morality. Yeah. So I think especially historically, plenty of human cultures that are getting at the same core concept of morality but just are wrong about it.DANIELYeah, I think that's right.AARONFundamentalist religious communities or whatever, you can't just appeal to like, oh, we're like they have some sort of weird it's kind of similar but very different thing called morality.DANIELAlthough, I don't know, I actually think that okay, backing up. All I'm saying is that beings have to care about something, and we ended up caring about morality. And I don't think, like I don't know, I don't think that's super surprising or coincidental or whatever. A side point I want to make is that I think if you get super into being religious, you might actually start referring to a different concept by morality. How familiar are you with classical theism?AARONThat's not a term that I recognize, although I took a couple of theology classes, so maybe more of them if I hadn't done that.DANIELYeah, so classical theism, it's a view about the nature of God, which is that I'm going to do a bad job of describing it. Yeah, I'm not a classical theist, so you shouldn't take classical theist doctrine from me. But it's basically that God is like sort of God's the being whose attributes are like his existence or something like that. It's weird. But anyway, there's like some school of philosophical where they're like, yeah, there's this transcendent thing called God. We can know God exists from first principles and in particular their account of goodness. So how do you get around the Euphyro dilemma, right? Instead of something like divine command theory, what they say is that when we talk about things being good, good just refers to the nature of God. And if you really internalize that, then I think you might end up referring to something different than actual goodness. Although I think it's probably there's no such being as God in the article. Theist sense.AARONYeah. So they argue what we mean by good is this other.DANIELConcept. They would say that when everyone talks about good, what they actually mean is pertaining to the divine nature, but we just didn't really know that we meant that the same way that when we talked about water, we always meant H 20, but we didn't used to know that.AARONI'm actually not sure if this is I'm very unconfident, but I kind of want to bite the bullet and say, like, okay, fine, in that case, yeah, I'm talking about the divine nature, but we just have radically different understandings of what the divine nature is.DANIELYou think you're talking about the divine nature.AARONRight?DANIELWhy do you think that?AARONSorry, I think I very slightly was not quite pedantic enough. Sorry, bad cell phone or whatever. Once again, not very confident at all.DANIELBut.AARONThink think that I'm willing to I'm so I think that I'm referring to the divine nature, but what I mean by the divine nature is that which these fundamentalist people are referring to. So I want to get around the term and say like, okay, whatever these fundamentalists are referring to, I am also referring to them.DANIELYeah, I should say classical theism is not slightly a different when people say fundamentalists, they often mean like a different corner of Christian space than classical theists. Classical. Theists think like Ed Fesser esoteric Catholics or something. Yeah, they're super into it.AARONOkay, anyway yes, just to put it all together, I think that when I say morality, I am referring to the same thing that these people are referring to by the divine nature. That's what it took me like five minutes to actually say.DANIELOh yeah, so I don't think you are. So when they refer to the divine nature, what they at least think they mean is they think that the divine is sort of defined by the fact that its existence is logically necessary. Its existence is in some sense attributes it couldn't conceivably not have its various attributes. The fact that it is like the primary cause of the world and sustainer of all things. And I just really doubt that the nature of that thing is what you mean by morality.AARONNo, those are properties that they assert, but I feel like tell me if I'm wrong. But my guess is that if one such person were to just suddenly come to believe that actually all of that's right. Except it's not actually logically necessary that the divine nature exists. It happens to be true, but it's not logically necessary. They would still be sort of pointing to the same concept. And I just think, yeah, it's like that, except all those lists of properties are wrong.DANIELI think if that were true, then classical theism would be false.AARONOkay.DANIELSo maybe in fact you're referring to the same thing that they actually mean by the divine nature, but what they think they mean is this classical theistic thing. Right. And it seems plausible to me that some people get into it enough that what they actually are trying to get at when they say good is different than what normal people are trying to get at when they say good.AARONYeah, I don't think that's true. Okay, let's set aside the word morality because especially I feel like in circles that we're in, it has a strong connotation with a sort of like modern ish analytics philosophy, maybe like some other things that are in that category.DANIELYour video is worsen, but your sound is back.AARONOkay, well, okay, I'll just keep talking. All right, so you have the divine nature and morality and maybe other things that are like those two things but still apart from them. So in that class of things and then there's the question of like, okay, maybe everybody necessarily anybody who thinks that there's any true statements about something broadly in their vicinity of goodness in the idea space is pointing to the meta level of that or whichever one of those is truly correct or something. This is pretty speculative. I have not thought about this. I'm not super confident.DANIELYeah, I think I broadly believe this, but I think this is right about most people when they talk. But you could imagine even with utilitarianism, right? Imagine somebody getting super into the weeds of utilitarianism. They lived utilitarianism twenty four, seven. And then maybe at some point they just substitute in utilitarianism for morality. Now when they say morality, they actually just mean utilitarianism and they're just discarding the latter of the broad concepts and intuitions behind them. Such a person might just I don't know, I think that's the kind of thing that can happen. And then you might just want a.AARONDifferent thing by the word. I don't know if it's a bad thing, but I feel like I do this when I say, oh, x is moral to do or morally good to do. It's like, what's the real semantic relationship between that and it's correct on utilitarianism to do? I feel like they're not defined as the same, but they happen to be the same or something. Now we're just talking about how people use words.DANIELYeah, they're definitely going to happen to be the same in the case that utilitarianism is like the right theory of morality. But you could imagine that. You could imagine even in the case where utilitarianism was the wrong theory, you might still just mean utilitarianism by the word good because you just forgot the intuitions from which you were building theory of morality and you're just like, okay, look, I'm just going to talk about utilitarianism now.AARONYeah, I think this is like, yeah, this could happen. I feel like this is a cop out and like a non answer, but I feel like getting into the weeds of the philosophy of language and what people mean by concepts and words and true the true nature of concepts. It's just not actually that useful. Or maybe it's just not as interesting to me as I'm glad that somebody thought about that ever.DANIELI think this can happen, though. I think this is actually a practical concern. Right. Okay. Utilitarianism might be wrong, right? Does that strike you as right? Yeah, I think it's possible for you to use language in such a way that if utilitarianism were wrong, what that would mean is that in ordinary language, goodness, the good thing to do is not always the utilitarian thing to do, right? Yes, but I think it's possible to get down an ideological rabbit hole. This is not specific to utilitarianism. Right. I think this can happen to tons of things where when you say goodness, you just mean utilitarianism and you don't have a word for what everyone else meant by goodness, then I think that's really hard to recover from. And I think that's the kind of thing that can conceivably happen and maybe sometimes actually happens.AARONYeah, I guess as an empirical matter and like an empirical psychological matter and yes. Do people's brains ever operate this way? Yes. I don't really know where that leaves that leaves us. Maybe we should move on to a different topic or whatever.DANIELCan I just say one more thing?AARONYeah, totally.DANIELFirst, I should just give this broad disclaimer that I'm not a philosopher and I don't really know what I'm talking about. But the second thing is that particular final point. I was sort of inspired by a paper I read. I think it's called, like, do Christians and Muslims worship the same god? Which is actually a paper about the philosophy of naming and what it means for proper names to refer to the same thing. And it's pretty interesting, and it has a footnote about why you would want to discourage blasphemy, which is sort of about this. Anyway.AARONNo, I personally don't find this super interesting. I can sort of see how somebody would and I also think it's potentially important, but I think it's maybe yeah.DANIELActually it's actually kind of funny. Can I tell you a thing that I'm a little bit confused about?AARONYeah, sure.DANIELSo philosophers just there's this branch of philosophy that's the philosophy of language, and in particular the philosophy of right. Like, what does it mean when we say a word refers to something in the real world? And some subsection of this is the philosophy of proper names. Right. So when I say Aaron is going to the like, what do I mean by know who is like, if it turned out that these interactions that I'd been having with an online like, all of them were faked, but there was a real human named Bergman, would that count as making that send is true or whatever? Anyway, there's some philosophy on this topic, and apparently we didn't need it to build a really smart AI. No AI person has studied this. Essentially, these theories are not really baked into the way we do AI these days.AARONWhat do you think that implies or suggests?DANIELI think it's a bit confusing. I think naively, you might have thought that AIS would have to refer to things, and naively, you might have thought that in order for us to make that happen, we would have had to understand the philosophy of reference or of naming, at least on some sort of basic level. But apparently we just didn't have to. Apparently we could just like I don't have that.AARONIn fact, just hearing your description, my initial intuition is like, man, this does not matter for anything.DANIELOkay. Can I try and convince you that it should matter? Yeah, tell me how I fail to convince you.AARONYeah, all right.DANIELHumans are pretty smart, right? We're like the prototypical smart thing. How are humans smart? I think one of the main ingredients of that is that we have language. Right?AARONYes. Oh, and by the way, this gets to the unpublished episode with Nathan Barnard.DANIELComing out an UN I think I've seen an episode with him.AARONOh, yeah. This is the second one because he's.DANIELBeen very oh, exciting. All right, well well, maybe all this will be superseded by this unpublished episode.AARONI don't think so. We'll see.DANIELBut okay, we have language, right. Why is language useful? Well, I think it's probably useful in part because it refers to stuff. When I say stuff, I'm talking about the real world, right?AARONYes.DANIELNow, you might think that in order to build a machine that was smart and wielded the language usefully, it would also have to have language. We would have to build it such that its language referred to the real world. Right. And you might further think that in order to build something that use languages that actually succeeds at doing reference, we would have to understand what reference was.AARONYes. I don't think that's right. Because insofar as we can get what we call useful is language in, language out without any direct interaction, without the AIS directly manipulating the world, or maybe not directly, but without using language understanders or beings that do have this reference property, that's what their language means to them, then this would be right. But because we have Chat GPT, what the use comes from is like giving language to humans, and the humans have reference to the real world. But if the humans you need some connection to your reference, but it doesn't have to be at every level or something like that.DANIELOkay, so do you think that suppose we had something that was like Chat GPT, but we gave it access to some robot limbs and it could pick up mice. Maybe it could pick up apples and throw the apples into the power furnace powering its data center. We give it these limbs and these actuators sort of analogous to how humans interact with the world. Do you think in order to make a thing like that that worked, we would need to understand the philosophy of reference?AARONNo. I'm not sure why.DANIELI also don't know why.AARONOkay, well, evolution didn't understand the philosophy of reference. I don't know what that tells us.DANIELI actually think this is, like, my lead answer of, like, we're just making AIS by just randomly tweaking them until they work. That's my rough summary of Scastic gradient descent. In some sense, this does not require you to have a strong sense of how to implement your AIS. Maybe that's why we don't need to.AARONUnderstand philosophy or the SDD process is doing the philosophy. In some sense, that's kind of how I think about it or how I think about it now. I guess during the SDD process, you're, like, tweaking basically the algorithm, and at the end of the day, probably in order to, say, pick up marbles or something, reference to a particular marble or the concept of marble, not only the concept, but both the concept

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The boys welcome Ryan back home with a classically unplanned episode

Megan Myrie (Domeríe) is a creative entrepreneur from Chicago. She likes to use her creative abilities to support and shine light on other people's creative abilities. This is especially true for her design company MGD LLC, in which she creates brands for creators. Her pursuit of music and modeling is more personal, however, she hopes to be a source of inspiration for people with an interest in creative careers. She believes that creators should be able to be successful doing what they love to do.

While many are only hearing about prediction markets for the first time, for near a decade, anonymous trader Domer (@Domahhhh) has been at the frontier of profiting from outcomes of unknown future events. Political and economic matters are Domer's specialty, although he doesn't shy away from the rather abstract events either—for example; trading on the outcome of Britney Spear's conservatorship and the Suez Canal obstruction! Now at a point where he's netting PnL of several hundred thousand dollars a year (across multiple exchanges), much of Domer's winnings are due to his ability to garner an information edge and rejection of the Efficient Market Hypothesis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The boys get weird and talk about the Super Bowl and what it takes to make the Hall of Fame

After a colorful week of bigtime politicians in bigtime news stories, Domer, Pratik and Keendawg name this month's ALPHA DOGS and BETA BOYS. This is the definitive list of politicians to bet on... and those to bet against. From Joe Biden's desk to your local dog catcher, here are the pols who are hot to bet on... and hot to bet against.

Everyone knows her as Kelsie Chace, but now, she goes by Kelsie Chace Domer after marrying Ryan Domer on Oct. 3, 2021. Domer, an eight-time WPRA World Champion, qualified for her first-ever National Finals of Breakaway Roping, to be held at The Orleans in Dec. 2021. In this episode, brought to you by Durango Boot, Domer discusses her 2021 Pro Rodeo season, her preparation for the NFBR, team roping and more. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Domer and Pratik pop-on to go over this week's top bonds & longshots, and to find the smart money on where the long and winding negotiations for Reconciliation, the Debt Limit, and more will land.

Guest: author Lisa Kelly discusses her upcoming book, Domer Dishes: Inside the Lives and Kitchens of Your Fighting Irish Gridiron Greats, featuring recipes from Notre Dame greats - past players, coaches and leprechauns. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jay-abramson/support

Long time rivals Domer and iSavage find agreement on Israeli politics. Pratik and iSavage discuss Tim Scott's national profile and opportunities to buy lottos on his potential presidential ambitions.   

In a many-facted podcast, the Boys tackle prediction markets related to unblocking the Suez canal and unblocking the Senate. Special appearances by Domer, Eli Bran, Gaeten Dugas, and Pratik.

Season 1; Episode 2 WHAT'S IN STORE FOR BRIAN KELLY? | Golden Domer's Report Podcast

Bourbon – Montana Honey Moonshine Grew up in Hartville GM for Top Advantage Husband, Father of 3 beCHILL Loves to hunt Recorded this podcast in his pole barn, aka the "patriot ranch" Multiple deer skulls, mountain lion, warthog, rattle snake, alligator and a bear Just got back from a 9 day bear hunt in Riggins, Idaho Bear hunting, 2 methods – spot or bait Rattlesnake - Killed 12 the first year they were there Loves to bow hunt, but tough for bears because their nose is 14x stronger than a human per Jimmy. I looked it up and it's actually 2100x stronger!!! Now teaching his daughter to hunt who likes it and got her first kill at 10, first shot Jimmy had a podcast called Whiskey Friday. As Winston Churchill would say... "Whiskey has killed more men than bullets, but most men would rather be full of whiskey than bullets." beDRIVEN Some college, had his own excavating business at 22 Flipped houses Started installing countertops for his wife's business Became GM with about 12 employees, grew to 70 employees Jimmy has an entrepreneurial spirit that drives him in life Resources he provided: Tools of the Titans and The 4-Hour Work Week by Tim Ferris Jocko Willink – punch you in the mouth in life in general Mark Driscoll – punch you in the mouth spiritually beNOBLE Leading his family his a noble driving force in his life Gave up some of his own endeavors, entered the family business to grow up and step up Always had faith, but turned his life really towards Christ after a Mark Driscoll conference Started a church plant in Kent beFIT Started to get a dad bod – started up in crossfit for 5 years Home gym now --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

On episode 5, the Mother Daughter Cowgirl Duo Marilyn Domer & Lindsay Keller share their love for horses, rodeo & ranching through children's books & how they began their small business The Bell Mare Book Company.  These Kansas cowgirls have recently launched their second book "Short Go's BIG Ranch Adventure" and you can learn more about all their products at https://www.thebellmarebookco.com/ INSTAGRAM: @shortgochildrensbooks FACEBOOK: Short Go Children's Books  https://www.facebook.com/ShortGoMakesTheNFR/ ************************************************************************************************************************************************************** @CowgirlConfessionsPodcast CowgirlConfessionsPodcast@gmail.com Follow your host INSTAGRAM: @DakotaDawnJohnson FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/DakotaDawnJohnson/ *********************************************************************************************************** Thank you for spending your time with me on the Cowgirl Confessions podcast. I am so glad you stopped by. If you could take a moment to share this episode and tag us on social media- I'd be happier than a cowgirl in a sea of BOGO vintage turquoise. Subscribe to make sure you don't miss an episode. New episodes will be released bimonthly. Please leave us a review if you feel so led by going to I tunes.  Your feedback will really help us breath the idea of grabbing life by the horns with a COWGIRL STATE OF MIND into women across the globe, some that may have never even had the privilege to throw their leg over a horse but could most certainly use the cowgirl state of mind while navigating life. Until next time, keep pursuing your dreams with that All Go & No Whoa mentality. Remember- You're writing a story that's worth saddling up for sister. God Bless, Dakota

During Dan Hesse’s 7 years as CEO of Sprint Corporation, Sprint won numerous awards for culture and diversity & inclusion.  Sprint’s total shareholder return ranked #1 among all S&P 500 companies for Dan’s last two calendar years, ahead of #2 Netflix. He is also fellow “Domer." About Daniel "Rudy" Ruettiger Today, a highly sought after motivational speaker, Rudy entertains international corporate audiences with a unique, passionate, and heartfelt style of communicating. He reaches school children, university students, and professional athletes with the same enthusiasm, portraying the human spirit that comes from his personal experiences of adversity and triumph. His captivating personality and powerful message of "YES I CAN" stays with his audiences forever. Rudy's opening remarks receive thunderous applause and standing ovations from audiences of 200 to 20,000 people who emotionally chant "RU-DY, RU-DY!" About Joe Garner When it comes to America's popular culture, six-time New York Times bestselling author Joe Garner has become one of its premiere chroniclers.  See all his books here. He's been featured on the Today Show, CNN, Fox & Friends and hundreds of radio programs nationwide.  Joe's books have also become Wall Street Journal, Publishers Weekly, Sports Illustrated and USA Today bestsellers. @AuthorJoeGarner - Twitter AuthorJoeGarner - Instagram Joe Garner - LinkedIn  

A quirky IPL banter along with a fun filled Nishabdham movie ROAST hosted by Pinkman & Bodhi Sensei along with his friends. If you dont follow IPL(Indian Premier League) do forward the cursor at exactly 20 min for the Nishabdham movie ROAST. Podcast created by: Pinkman,BodhiSensei,Philpsu and Domer Trump Edited by: Abishek & Pinkman

Today's episode features the Cedarville University student who couldn't decide on majoring in Finance or Marketing so they just went with both. Tune in to hear Drew Domer's hot take on his school's current attempt to start back up his Senior year in the midst of a global pandemic. Watch the video version of this podcast at https://youtu.be/1KTWogSdbSc --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/commonkyser61/support

During Dan Hesse’s 7 years as CEO of Sprint Corporation, Sprint won numerous awards for culture and diversity & inclusion.  Sprint’s total shareholder return ranked #1 among all S&P 500 companies for Dan’s last two calendar years, ahead of #2 Netflix. He is also fellow “Domer." About Daniel "Rudy" Ruettiger Today, a highly sought after motivational speaker, Rudy entertains international corporate audiences with a unique, passionate, and heartfelt style of communicating. He reaches school children, university students, and professional athletes with the same enthusiasm, portraying the human spirit that comes from his personal experiences of adversity and triumph. His captivating personality and powerful message of "YES I CAN" stays with his audiences forever. Rudy's opening remarks receive thunderous applause and standing ovations from audiences of 200 to 20,000 people who emotionally chant "RU-DY, RU-DY!" About Joe Garner When it comes to America's popular culture, six-time New York Times bestselling author Joe Garner has become one of its premiere chroniclers.  See all his books here. He's been featured on the Today Show, CNN, Fox & Friends and hundreds of radio programs nationwide.  Joe's books have also become Wall Street Journal, Publishers Weekly, Sports Illustrated and USA Today bestsellers. @AuthorJoeGarner - Twitter AuthorJoeGarner - Instagram Joe Garner - LinkedIn  

There's gonna be a domer shortage because of the Covid! Plus, war machines and Trump the CovIdiot.

John Girdwood talks with Kirk Domer about how to be an Outstanding Spartan Supervisor.

The boys try to talk about College football but quickly get derailed and go off the dome

Getting your MBA is full of challenges and opportunities. At Notre Dame, our community extends beyond the classroom. You'll join a network with 270 clubs around the world. No matter where you go or what you do, there will always be a Domer to support you.

In Episode EIGHTEEN, #teamnilnil stores one for the time capsule and makes predictions on the 2019 MLS season and are joined by El Parcero Dani of Parceros United and Domer Donaldson, President of Terminus Legion Supporters' Group (with a special cameo by Bear the Dog). We look into where the Home Team stands after a week of up and down performances and how that will affect the upcoming season. We also look into who are the likely contenders for MLS Cup and if the Home Team realistically repeat as MLS Cup champs. We also discuss the sudden fall of the Real Madrid empire in the UEFA Champions League and map out our upcoming trip to Memphis! We also learn what is a Parcero and provide some great info for charity event Terminus Legion is holding this week as part of the Home Team's Block Party. Be sure to SUBSCRIBE to our show on your favorite podcast apps- like, comment, and let us know how we're doing! Follow us on social media- Twitter/IG - @ftcutd Facebook - @FTC #ForTheCulture --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/ftcutdshow/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/ftcutdshow/support

Domer Donaldson of Terminus Legion sits down with Kevin and Tim to discuss all of this past week’s ongoings around Atlanta United.  A week that saw a MLS preseason 2-2 draw against LAFC in a monsoon, Stargate surrounding Five Stripe Authentic vs Replica Kits, also brought news of a potential Darlington Nagbe transfer to Columbus … Atlanta United FC Weekly – 87 – MLS Preseason against LAFC, ATLUTD Kit Reveal, Newcastle United, and more with Domer Donaldson Read More »

Domer Donaldson of Terminus Legion sits down with Kevin and Tim to discuss all of this past week's ongoings around Atlanta United.  A week that saw a MLS preseason 2-2 draw against LAFC in a monsoon, Stargate surrounding Five Stripe Authentic vs Replica Kits, also brought news of a potential Darlington Nagbe transfer to Columbus Crew and the release of Chris McCann from the lineup.  We are now a week from Atlanta's CONCACAF debut against Herediano down in Costa Rica and the boys get hype to see the starting XI in action. Tim and Kevin are here to bring you a weekly look at their hometown MLS team – Atlanta United FC. They look to bring their insights on the previous game, how the team has been doing, where they currently stand in the MLS, and look forward to their next game of the week. It's almost that time. The streetlights just came on and you had better leave soon to be Home Before Dark. Find the whole gang on twitter @timherb and @the_ARC1TECT and collectively @HomeB4Dark

Domer Donaldson of Terminus Legion sits down with Kevin and Tim to discuss all of this past week’s ongoings around Atlanta United.  A week that saw a MLS preseason 2-2 draw against LAFC in a monsoon, Stargate surrounding Five Stripe Authentic vs Replica Kits, also brought news of a potential Darlington Nagbe transfer to Columbus … Atlanta United FC Weekly – 87 – MLS Preseason against LAFC, ATLUTD Kit Reveal, Newcastle United, and more with Domer Donaldson Read More »

Mike catches up with Mike Wilner as they talk Vladdy, Jr., Roy Halladay, Richard Griffin, JaysTalk, the broadcast booth, and Domer.

The Phantom of the Opera is here... We talk with fellow Domer and current Marine Rory about 2004's Phantom of the Opera and also learn about his own foray into performing in musicals in high school.

Selecting some tunes from the back catalog of Beijing-based vinyl label Genjing Records, and talking about the unique hybrids that have come out of China in the 12 years that label founder Nevin Domer has been organizing here Full info: https://radiichina.com/b-side-china-podcast-genjing-jukebox-w-nevin-domer/

First episode of the Domer Nurse Podcast. Included in this episode is an intro about myself, rundown of Super Bowl 51, Lebron James demands, Jordan Spieth vs. Autograph "Scum", and my take on the Grammy's. I hope you enjoy!

Broken Records Podcast – Episode 2 – Broken Records vs Lethal Theory Technical Difficulties and Mc Thunda Broken Records Joins Forces with Lethal Theory for one of the freshest Hardcore Mixes created in 2016! This mix has brand new material from Josh Priestley, where he literately commands the audience with his projection, power and fierceness from every bar on the mix... Technical Difficulties spent a good few months preparing this mix and making sure that the track selection was on point, I’m sure you will all agree with me that the long preparation was well worthit in the end.. Once again this mix is all their own material and the track listing can be seen below...Links to this mix will be available via Facebook / Twitter / Instagram / Sound cloud / Mix cloud and Hearthis over the coming days...All feedback is welcome, so we hope you enjoy the mix! 1. The beginning 2. I will 3. Ba day as 4. Getaway 5. Save yourself 6. We are one 7. Summer of love 8. Stompin 9. Edm lullaby 10. Disarm you 11. Fire pon dem

First up with our new signing from LA, America MITOMORO https://soundcloud.com/mitomoro

Mike Rosenthal was a stalwart at left tackle for the Irish. Having honed his craft  just a few miles from the Notre Dame campus at perennial Indiana football power Penn High School, Rosenthal became the rare Jewish player at America's most iconic Catholic university. A student of legendary line coach, Joe Moore, Rosenthal carried the discipline instilled in him into a successful NFL career. Now married to a fellow Domer athlete (Lindsay [Treadwell] Rosenthal, '99, a monogram winner for volleyball) and father of four active children, Mike is the head football coach and athletic director at Stephen F. Austin High School in Austin, Texas. He shared his perspectives on the 40 Year Decision in a recent conversation.

Omar's back to talk about AMC's Walking Dead prequel, Fear The Walking Dead. Does it need more process and less teen angst? What's with the stupid driving? And will we keep watching? Dave explained a few EHG facts before Liv learned subtlety on the Face Off report and Tara made us Domer, and we went around the dial with documentary spoofs, vintage reality shows, dysfunctional comedy joints, and crappy Star Wars gifts. Will Dave un-Pierce Gene of Bob's Burgers? Is Sarah's X-Files Canon submission out of this world? Did Sorkin win or lose this week? And who used his or her brain best -- i.e., not eating them -- in Game Time? It's an apocalyptically good time on this week's all-new Extra Hot Great. GUESTS

Omar's back to talk about AMC's Walking Dead prequel, Fear The Walking Dead. Does it need more process and less teen angst? What's with the stupid driving? And will we keep watching? Dave explained a few EHG facts before Liv learned subtlety on the Face Off report and Tara made us Domer, and we went around the dial with documentary spoofs, vintage reality shows, dysfunctional comedy joints, and crappy Star Wars gifts. Will Dave un-Pierce Gene of Bob's Burgers? Is Sarah's X-Files Canon submission out of this world? Did Sorkin win or lose this week? And who used his or her brain best -- i.e., not eating them -- in Game Time? It's an apocalyptically good time on this week's all-new Extra Hot Great.Special Guest: Omar Gallaga. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

As Humans (heard of 'em) wraps its first season, John Ramos joins us to talk about the titular humans and their synth friends...and foes! Liv tells us all about a wedding-themed episode of Face Off, and Tara takes us through the latest idiocy making us all Domer on Under The Dome. Around The Dial stops at Last Week Tonight, Show Me A Hero, Rectify, Mr. Robot, and another confounding Star Wars toy ad. Dave makes a singular case for the submission to The Canon of the G.I. Joe episode "The Viper Is Coming," and no, that is not a very long typo. Then, after naming the week's Winner and Loser, we close up with a Game Time that takes us through all of life's biggest events! Top up your synth fluid and join us! GUESTS

As Humans (heard of 'em) wraps its first season, John Ramos joins us to talk about the titular humans and their synth friends...and foes! Liv tells us all about a wedding-themed episode of Face Off, and Tara takes us through the latest idiocy making us all Domer on Under The Dome. Around The Dial stops at Last Week Tonight, Show Me A Hero, Rectify, Mr. Robot, and another confounding Star Wars toy ad. Dave makes a singular case for the submission to The Canon of the G.I. Joe episode "The Viper Is Coming," and no, that is not a very long typo. Then, after naming the week's Winner and Loser, we close up with a Game Time that takes us through all of life's biggest events! Top up your synth fluid and join us!Special Guest: John Ramos. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

The Subway Domer spits lava hot fire takes on Notre Dame football and building furniture."For the record, I do not endorse Icona Pop or Celtic Death Metal" - Tightness

Since summer TV is no longer dumber TV, we've invited Mark Blankenship back to the Blankenship Chair to join us for a discussion of our most winning series picks! Niece Liv -- now seven years old -- returns to bring us the scoop on Face Off's Season 9 premiere, and then Tara tells us the latest ways Under The Dome has made us Domer. Mark makes a case for the induction of Downton Abbey's S05E03 to the Nonac -- the reverse Canon -- and then after identifying the Winner & Loser Of The Week, we finish up with a very critical Game Time. Turn up the AC and enjoy! GUESTS

Since summer TV is no longer dumber TV, we've invited Mark Blankenship back to the Blankenship Chair to join us for a discussion of our most winning series picks! Niece Liv -- now seven years old -- returns to bring us the scoop on Face Off's Season 9 premiere, and then Tara tells us the latest ways Under The Dome has made us Domer. Mark makes a case for the induction of Downton Abbey's S05E03 to the Nonac -- the reverse Canon -- and then after identifying the Winner and Loser of the week, we finish up with a very critical Game Time. Turn up the AC and enjoy!Special Guest: Mark Blankenship. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

The vampire zombies of The Strain are back on FX, and Omar Gallaga, our resident expert, is back to tell us all about the early days of the second season. From there, we go on to check on the latest events making us Domer, and flip Around The Dial with stops at In Search Of..., The Astronaut Wives Club, the Netflix documentary Tig, and the Spike miniseries Tut. Omar makes a case for the induction of The Walking Dead episode "The Grove" into The Canon, and then after naming the week's Winner and Loser, we finish up with a Game Time that's the OPPOSITE of boring and tedious! Grab a cup of worms and enjoy! GUESTS

The vampire zombies of The Strain are back on FX, and Omar Gallaga, our resident expert, is back to tell us all about the early days of the second season. From there, we go on to check on the latest events making us Domer, and flip Around The Dial with stops at In Search Of..., The Astronaut Wives Club, the Netflix documentary Tig, and the Spike miniseries Tut. Omar makes a case for the induction of The Walking Dead episode "The Grove" into The Canon, and then after naming the week's Winner and Loser, we finish up with a Game Time that's the OPPOSITE of boring and tedious! Grab a cup of worms and enjoy!Special Guest: Omar Gallaga. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

"Brady Hoke ate my show notes." - Subway Domer"I'm just here so I don't get fined" - Irish Tightness

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Domer Rafael - Restaurant Manager & Sommelier, Prairie 360 Skyline Restaurant & Lounge by Food & Friends with Larry

On this episode of The Sophisticated Boner we had a lovely conversation with Joshua Vowles of The Subway Domer. Topic include: 2011 Notre Dame never happened. Tommy Rees sister beat some girl's ass I'm not going to the Notre Dame game. The worst of the losses for the Domer. RETURNING TO GLORY SINCE 2012. Who has the snobbier fan base? We mention football, briefly. What to expect from each team. Boners of the Week. USF beat Notre Dame and I laughed... AND SO MUCH MORE.

WORKERS COMP MATTERS, hosted by Attorney Alan S. Pierce focuses on the issues relating to people who have been hurt at work. There are many ethical issues involved when preparing a workers’ compensation lawsuit such as conflicts of interest or securing medical records such as psychological treatment of an injured worker. On this show, Attorney Pierce and special guest, Milwaukee Attorney and Marquette law professor, Thomas M. Domer tackle the topic of Ethical Questions in Workers’ Compensation Cases.