Podcast appearances and mentions of craig rogers

The Tragically Hip Top Forty Countdown: Round Table TwoSongs #40–21 | Live Streamed May 23, 2025Every ten songs, we hit pause on the countdown and bring the community to the mic. This is Round Table Two — a live-streamed, unfiltered, and occasionally unhinged group chat about all things Tragically Hip. In this installment, we turn our attention to the middle meat of the countdown: songs ranked #40 through #21, where the debates get louder, the takes get spicier, and the stakes feel weirdly personal.I'm your host, jD, joined by four of the most thoughtful and opinionated Hip fans I know: Chris Sinclair, Jeff Schnurr, Craig Rogers, and Sara J. Together, we dissect the placements, praise the sleepers, question the darlings, and throw a few punches (with love) at the songs we think missed their mark.Here's what you can expect inside this episode:Jeff from Vaughan can't believe We Want to Be It and You're Not the Ocean made it this far — especially when Don't Wake Daddy is chilling down at #41. He's got opinions, and he's not afraid to name names.Sara J celebrates the perfection of matchups — how the right guests landed the right songs in uncanny fashion — and gives a heartfelt shoutout to Sherry and her beautiful number symphony around Long Time Running.Craig from Vancouver argues he'd flip the entire list upside down if he could, with Three Pistols and We Want to Be It trading places. He also reflects on how playing in a tribute band changes how you hear — and feel — a song.Chris from Guelph shares his emotional milestone: the moment Saturday Night Live introduced him to The Hip and forever changed the trajectory of his fandom. He also lists five songs in this range he'd swap out for deep cuts like Dire Wolf, Opiated, and Morning Moon.We talk bridges (and how Bobcaygeon might have the greatest one of all time), overplayed classics (Boots or Hearts vs. Grace, Too), and bold predictions for what's still to come.And me? I mostly try to wrangle the chaos, play devil's advocate, and float the idea that no one will be able to predict the Top 5 in the right order — not even me, and I've seen the data.This is not your average podcast episode. It's a jam session. A group therapy night. A barstool conversation happening in real time. And like all good round tables, it ends in laughter, hot takes, side quests, and one bold prediction from every guest.Here's a sneak peek at just a few of the quotes you'll hear:

Talking About Michael Schaack's Felidae with our guests, Deaf Crocodile's Dennis Bartok and Craig RogersJoin us for a fascinating conversation with Dennis Bartok and Craig Rogers, co-founders of Deaf Crocodile Films, as we explore their journey in film restoration and distribution, culminating in their latest release—the 1994 German animated noir Felidae. From their early days working together at Cinelicious Pictures to launching Deaf Crocodile during the pandemic, these passionate film preservationists have rescued nearly 70 films from obscurity thus far.The heart of our discussion centers on Felidae, a dark animated detective story following Francis, a cat who moves to a new neighborhood only to find himself embroiled in a series of gruesome murders. The film, based on the first of Akif Pirinçci's novel series, pushes boundaries with its mature themes, graphic violence, and surprising commentary on eugenics. We dive deep into the challenging restoration process, including the race against time to preserve the deteriorating original negative, and the fascinating history of this ambitious international animation project that featured Boy George on its soundtrack.Beyond Felidae, Dennis and Craig share incredible stories about their other restorations, including the rediscovery of Solomon King, a lost 1974 black action film they found through its soundtrack album. They discuss their philosophy on film restoration, the challenges of securing rights to forgotten films, and their commitment to preserving cinema history while making these works accessible to modern audiences.This episode offers a rare glimpse into the world of film restoration and distribution, highlighting how passionate individuals are working to save important pieces of cinema history. Felidae stands as a prime example of their work—a unique, challenging animated film that deserves to be rediscovered by modern audiences, and we had a wonderful time discussing it with these dedicated film preservationists.Film SundriesCheck out Deaf Crocodile!Tune in to The Official Deaf Crocodile PodcastFind Deaf Crocodile on Instagram, Bluesky, and TwitterFind Dennis on IMDbListen to Pete's and Andy's conversation about Gangs of Wasseypur Part 1 and Part 2 on The Next Reel Film PodcastListen to Pete's and Andy's conversation about Dead Mountaineer's Hotel on The Next Reel Film PodcastListen to Pete's and Andy's conversation about Kin-Dza-Dza! on The Next Reel Film PodcastWatch our conversation on YouTube!Find other places to watch this at JustWatchScript OptionsTheatrical trailer (restoration version)Original MaterialLetterboxd Learn how to support our show and The Next Reel's family of film podcasts by becoming a member. It's just $5 monthly or $55 annually. Learn more here.Follow the other podcasts in The Next Reel's family of film podcasts:Cinema Scope: Bridging Genres, Subgenres, and MovementsThe Film BoardThe Next Reel Film PodcastSitting in the DarkJoin the conversation with movie lovers from around the world in our Discord community!Here's where you can find us around the internet:The WebLetterboxdCheck out poster artwork for movies we've discussed on our Pinterest pagePeteAndyWhat are some other ways you can support us and show your love? Glad you asked!You can buy our movie-related apparel, stickers, mugs and more from our MERCH PAGE.Or buy or rent movies we've discussed on the show from our WATCH PAGE.Or buy books, plays, etc. that was the source for movies we've discussed on the show from our ORIGINALS PAGE.Or renew or sign up for a Letterboxd Pro or Patron account with our LETTERBOXD MEMBERSHIP DISCOUNT.Or sign up for AUDIBLE.

This week I a m joined by Dennis Bartok and Craig Rogers - founders and operators of DEAF CROCODILE - a boutique label dedicated to world cinema and obscure animation. We discuss the company, it's origins, and the excitement surrounding the upcoming release of their restoration of the long lost German animated film FELIDAE.Subscribe today!Sign up for Zencaster TODAY! https://zen.ai/Ax2lLiOypAMyn_rp4eoKemgLq-YYFcUzPdCT19xZh1EOFFER CODES: cultworthyVisit thecultworthy.comCultworthy LETTERBOXD: https://boxd.it/31EObVisit DEAF CROCODILE @ https://shop-deafcrocodile.company.site/

Part 1/3 of the "Jared Mees Farewell to Flat Track" Episodes. CTex and Erik chat with Craig Rogers, Team Owner of the Rogers Racing team who Jared Mees raced for from 2009-2024. The boys also talk about the announcement of the Mission Foods CTR Flat Track series. Subscribe to our channel on SoundCloud, iTunes and Spotify. Leave us a review. Also, follow us on social media: Facebook: Tank Slappin' Podcast Instagram: @TankSlappinPodcast YouTube: Cory Texter Racing Shout out to our sponsors: Mission Foods, Roof Systems, MotoAmerica, K&J Racing Solutions, Kicker Audio, Indian Motorcycle, Dunlop Motorcycle Tires, Yamaha Racing.

Part 1/3 of the "Jared Mees Farewell to Flat Track" Episodes. CTex and Erik chat with Craig Rogers, Team Owner of the Rogers Racing team who Jared Mees raced for from 2009-2024. The boys also talk about the announcement of the Mission Foods CTR Flat Track series. Subscribe to our channel on SoundCloud, iTunes and Spotify. Leave us a review. Also, follow us on social media: Facebook: Tank Slappin' Podcast Instagram: @TankSlappinPodcast YouTube: Cory Texter Racing Shout out to our sponsors: Mission Foods, Roof Systems, MotoAmerica, K&J Racing Solutions, Kicker Audio, Indian Motorcycle, Dunlop Motorcycle Tires, Yamaha Racing.

Re-Connected is a weekly live show where we go over boutique blu ray announcements, physical media sales, and sometimes we go over unboxings/collection updates. We are a community of cult movie fans that enjoy getting together to discuss what is releasing. This week we are joined by Craig Rogers of Deaf Crocodile! We will cover all of the announcements for the week and then have a discussion on Deaf Crocodile! Join us! Hope to see you in the chat!-Deaf Crocodile Website: https://www.deafcrocodile.com/DiabolikDVD: https://www.diabolikdvd.com/Deaf Crocodile on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DeafCrocodileDeaf Crocodile on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deafcrocodile/Deaf Crocodile on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/deafcrocodile-Buy The Physical Media Advocate (zine) on Amazon: https://l.linklyhq.com/l/1utJN-Become a patron here: https://www.patreon.com/DiscConnected-Disc-Connected: https://linktr.ee/discconnected-Someone's Favorite Productions: https://linktr.ee/someonesfavoriteproductions-Everything Film Foundations: https://linktr.ee/filmfoundations -Shelf Shock Rewind: https://linktr.ee/shelfshockrewind-Email: DiscConnectedMedia@gmail.com--Merch: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-disc-connected-Podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/show/the-disc-connected-If you happen to be shopping on Amazon for something and would like to share some of Lord Bezos' profits with my channel at no additional cost to you, please consider shopping through my link: https://amzn.to/39mcX1t-Tip Jar: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=TDEVSPJZ9EFCWorpaypal.me/RVinls (friends and family only)or Amazon wish list: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/20CR2ZN456P1B?ref_=wl_share-Music is by Michael J. LeRose- michaelxcreates@gmail.com.Outro is K(NO)W by Crusoe via a Creative Commons Attribution License and verbal/written permission from the artist.-Links above may be affiliate/promotional links that provide me a tiny commission to support the site and do not charge the consumer anything extra.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-disc-connected--6024210/support.

This week, we're joined by special guests Dennis Bartok and Craig Rogers from Deaf Crocodile to discuss their latest Blu-ray release, a Belarusian film that blends folk horror and mystery with the surreal and fantastic. We also spend some time discussing previous releases, as well as get details about future releases.Order The Savage Hunt of King Stakh:https://shop-deafcrocodile.company.site/https://diabolikdvd.com/product-category/browse-by-label/deafcrocodile/Get tickets to see it on the big screen in Los Angeles:https://www.prs.org/events.htmlFollow Deaf Crocodile: https://www.instagram.com/deafcrocodile/, https://www.facebook.com/deafcrocodile, https://x.com/DeafCrocodileNext episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWPFzuBqRvQJoin our discord! https://discord.gg/F8WsTzE9qtFollow this podcast on Instagram and Facebook @unsunghorrors.Follow Lance on Instagram and Letterboxd @lschibiLance's shop: https://lanceschibi.bigcartel.com/Follow Erica on Letterboxd or Instagram @hexmassacre Order The Sweetest Taboo: https://thesweetesttaboobook.bigcartel.comLogo by Cody SchibiRun and Kill Screening in New. York:  https://www.spectacletheater.com/the-sweetest-taboo-book-party-with-a-screening-of-run-and-kill-1993/The Untold Story Screening in Philly: https://dice.fm/partner/web/event/pyo7nw-the-sweetest-taboo-book-release-untold-story-screening-24th-aug-philamoca-philadelphia-tickets?dice_id=3155024&dice_channel=web&dice_tags=organic&dice_campaign=Web&dice_feature=mio_marketing&_branch_match_id=626198917703866632&_branch_referrer=H4sIAAAAAAAAA8soKSkottLXz8nMy9ZLyUxO1UvL1S8uT00tSS0uKUlMys8vyMjMSczNT04EAI1E89wrAAAA

Are you caught in the crossfire of a battle over words? Today, our call-out goes to Craig Rogers from Long Island, NY. Thanks for your encouragement! But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another. — Galatians 5:15 This verse gives us new insight into all the issues Paul is trying to address in Galatia. The churches were engaged in a civil war. They were biting, devouring, and consuming one another with their words and opinions. Conflicts and divisions can be disheartening in our family or in the church. Once they begin, they can quickly escalate, especially if our selfish motivations take control. This is precisely why, in the preceding verses, Paul emphasized the importance of love as a motive. In addition, Paul will guide us in a new, more loving way in the following verses. But right here, we are reminded of the crushing and consuming power of words. The old adage, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me," is a lie. Words do hurt. They are weapons that wound, leave lasting scars, and permanently damage relationships. When I was a child, I overheard a statement my biological father said one day to my mother one day in an argument. He was unaware I heard it, but I will never forget it. I remember every detail of this day because what he said left such a pronounced scar. From his truck, he yelled to my mother, "I don't want to spend time with him. You spend time with him!" and then he drove off. These words hurt and marked one of the last times I would spend time with him. Give attention to your words today. Don't bite, devour, and consume people. Speak the truth, but say it in love. And if there is something you need to rectify, repent quickly before a nasty wound leaves a permanent scar in a relationship with someone you love. #SpeakLife, #WordsMatter, #LoveInAction ASK THIS: Reflecting on your recent interactions, were there moments when your words may have unintentionally caused harm or division? How can you proactively seek reconciliation and restoration in those relationships? Consider a time when you experienced the impact of someone else's hurtful words. How can that experience shape the way you choose to speak to others, especially in moments of conflict or tension? DO THIS: Give attention to your words. PRAY THIS: Father, grant me the wisdom and humility to speak words that build up and encourage, rather than tear down and wound. May Your love guide my tongue, leading me to reconciliation and healing in all my relationships. Amen. PLAY THIS: Speak.

What drives your action? Your love or Christ's love? Today, our call-out goes to Craig Rogers from Long Island, NY. Thanks for your encouragement! For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” — Galatians 5:14 This is an interesting line from Paul because, throughout this letter, he has been referring to the law and the works of the law negatively. But here, he makes an abrupt turn. He encourages obedience to the law summed up in a single command. So why this change? He does this only because he views the law through the life of Jesus, who fulfilled it. In Jesus's fulfillment of the entire law, we are freed to love. In loving others, we embody Jesus's love because his love sustains and empowers us to love ourselves and others rightly. Returning to the previous text, this all hinges on what motivates our love. Is our love motivated by selfish intent or selfless intent? Do we love our neighbor with our selfish love, or do we love our neighbor with his selfless love? There is a vast difference between these two motives. This is the motivational tightrope we walk every day, and the hope is that all our motivation is driven to love others perfectly from his perfect love working through us. So go, love people today. But love them differently. Look at them and love them by his love, not your love. Love them selflessly, not selfishly. Love them like Jesus loved them, and I pray all your actions will reflect more of him and less of yourself. #ChristlikeLove #SelflessAction #MotivatedByLove ASK THIS: Reflect on a recent interaction with someone. Did your actions reflect selfish love or Christ's selfless love? How could you have responded differently to align more closely with Christ's example? Think about a challenging relationship in your life. How might intentionally choosing to love that person with Christ's love instead of your own impact the dynamics of the relationship? What steps can you take to embody Christ's love more fully in that relationship? DO THIS: Love like Jesus. Selflessly. PRAY THIS: Lord, help me to love others with the same selfless love that You have shown me, guiding my actions to reflect Your heart for humanity. May Your love flow through me, transforming my motives and empowering me to love others as You have loved me. Amen. PLAY THIS: For God So Loved.

Welcome to Discovering Downie! Each week, Craig Rogers, Justin St. Louis and Kirk Lane are joined by jD to experience one of Gord Downie's solo outings.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/fully-and-completely/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to Discovering Downie! Each week, Craig Rogers, Justin St. Louis and Kirk Lane are joined by jD to experience one of Gord Downie's solo outings.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/gettinghiptothehip/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to Discovering Downie! Each week, Craig Rogers, Justin St. Louis and Kirk Lane are joined by jD to experience one of Gord Downie's solo outings.

Re-Connected is a weekly live show where we go over boutique blu ray announcements, physical media sales, and sometimes we go over unboxings/collection updates. We are a community of cult movie fans that enjoy getting together to discuss what is releasing. This week we are joined by Celeste de la Cabra and Craig Rogers from Deaf Crocodile!! We went over the announcements for the week and then discussed the Shelf Shock Rewind Awards! Hope you enjoy!-WARNINGFor some reason, there was a bit of an audio issue tonight. I am lookign to fix this before Sunday!-Subscribe to Celeste de la Cabra on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@celestedelacabra Follow Celeste on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/celestedelacabra Follow Celeste on Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/inhumanecstasy/ Subscribe to Celeste on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/CelestedelaCabra-Visit Deaf Crocodile's website here: https://www.deafcrocodile.com/Deaf Crocodile on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DeafCrocodileDeaf Crocodile on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deafcrocodile/Deaf Crocodile on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/deafcrocodileBuy Deaf Crocodile blu rays on their website or: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/collections/deaf-crocodile-Buy The Physical Media Advocate (zine) on Amazon: https://l.linklyhq.com/l/1utJN-Follow Someone's Favorite Productions on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/someonesfavoriteproductions/Follow Someone's Favorite Productions on Twitter: https://twitter.com/somefaveprodFollow Someone's Favorite Productions on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SomeonesFavoriteProductions-Follow Shelf Shock Rewind on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Shelf_ShockFollow Shelf Shock Rewind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shelfshockrewind/Follow Shelf Shock Rewind on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ShelfShockRewindFollow Shelf Shock Rewind on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@shelfshockrewind1231-Become a patron here: https://www.patreon.com/DiscConnected-Like the page and follow on Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/TheDiscConnected-Join me on Instagram at: https://www.instagram.com/thediscconnected/-Or on Twitter: https://twitter.com/disc_connected-Email: DiscConnectedMedia@gmail.com--Merch: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-disc-connected-Podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/show/the-disc-connected-If you happen to be shopping on Amazon for something and would like to share some of Lord Bezos' profits with my channel at no additional cost to you, please consider shopping through my link: https://amzn.to/39mcX1t-Tip Jar: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=TDEVSPJZ9EFCWorpaypal.me/RVinls (friends and family only)or Amazon wish list: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/20CR2ZN456P1B?ref_=wl_share-Music is by Michael J. LeRose- michaelxcreates@gmail.com.Outro is K(NO)W by Crusoe via a Creative Commons Attribution License and verbal/written permission from the artist.-Links above may be affiliate/promotional links that provide me a tiny commission to support the sight and do not charge the consumer anything extra.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-disc-connected--6024210/support.

Re-Connected is a weekly live show where we go over boutique blu ray announcements, physical media sales, and sometimes we go over unboxings/collection updates. We are a community of cult movie fans that enjoy getting together to discuss what is releasing. This week we are joined by Deaf Crocodile's Craig Rogers!! We are going to be going over the announcements for the week and discussing Robert De Niro OUTSIDE of his Scorsese collaborations! Join us! Hope to see you in the chat! - Visit Deaf Crocodile's website and buy products directly here: https://www.deafcrocodile.com/ Deaf Crocodile on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DeafCrocodile Deaf Crocodile on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deafcrocodile/ Deaf Crocodile on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/deafcrocodile Buy Deaf Crocodile blu rays: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/collections/deaf-crocodile - Buy The Physical Media Advocate on Amazon! https://amzn.to/47g41qY - Follow Someone's Favorite Productions on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/someonesfavoriteproductions/ Follow Someone's Favorite Productions on Twitter: https://twitter.com/somefaveprod Follow Someone's Favorite Productions on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SomeonesFavoriteProductions - Follow Shelf Shock Rewind on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Shelf_Shock Follow Shelf Shock Rewind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shelfshockrewind/ Follow Shelf Shock Rewind on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ShelfShockRewind Follow Shelf Shock Rewind on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@shelfshockrewind1231 - Become a patron here: https://www.patreon.com/DiscConnected - Like the page and follow on Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/TheDiscConnected - Join me on Instagram at: https://www.instagram.com/thediscconnected/ - Or on Twitter: https://twitter.com/disc_connected - Email: DiscConnectedMedia@gmail.com -- Merch: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-disc-connected - Podcast: https://thediscconnected.podbean.com - If you happen to be shopping on Amazon for something and would like to share some of Lord Bezos' profits with my channel at no additional cost to you, please consider shopping through my link: https://amzn.to/39mcX1t - Tip Jar: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=TDEVSPJZ9EFCW or paypal.me/RVinls (friends and family only) or  Amazon wish list: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/20CR2ZN456P1B?ref_=wl_share - Music is by Michael J. LeRose- michaelxcreates@gmail.com. Outro is K(NO)W by Crusoe via a Creative Commons Attribution License and verbal/written permission from the artist. - Links above may be affiliate/promotional links that provide me a tiny commission to support the sight and do not charge the consumer anything extra.

Re-Connected is a weekly live show where we go over boutique blu ray announcements, physical media sales, and sometimes we go over unboxings/collection updates. We are a community of cult movie fans that enjoy getting together to discuss what is releasing. This week we are joined by Dr. Will Dodson!! We are going to be going over the announcements for the week and covering exclusive title reveals with Craig Rogers of Deaf Crocodile! Join us! Hope to see you in the chat! - Visit Deaf Crocodile's website here: https://www.deafcrocodile.com/ Deaf Crocodile on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DeafCrocodile Deaf Crocodile on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deafcrocodile/ Deaf Crocodile on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/deafcrocodile Buy Deaf Crocodile blu rays on their website or: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/collections/deaf-crocodile - Will contributed to a new book on Tod Browning and it is available from the publisher here:  https://bearmanor-digital.myshopify.com/products/scripts-from-the-crypt-no-12-tod-browning-s-the-revolt-of-the-dead-paperback Or Amazon: https://amzn.to/3AEYQkI Will's recent book he helped edit: https://utpress.utexas.edu/9781477322833/american-twilight/ Or buy it on Amazon: https://amzn.to/3PWDuFE I'm Dangerous Tonight (Will is on the commentary): https://amzn.to/3PUuPU6 Follow Will Dodson on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wdodson52 Follow Will Dodson on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wdodson52/ Watch the UTexas Press conversation on Hooper with Joe Bob Briggs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXc9IMzKADE - Buy The Physical Media Advocate on Amazon! https://amzn.to/47g41qY - Follow Shelf Shock Rewind on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Shelf_Shock Follow Shelf Shock Rewind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shelfshockrewind/ Follow Shelf Shock Rewind on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ShelfShockRewind Follow Shelf Shock Rewind on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@shelfshockrewind1231 - Become a patron here: https://www.patreon.com/DiscConnected - Like the page and follow on Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/TheDiscConnected - Join me on Instagram at: https://www.instagram.com/thediscconnected/ - Or on Twitter: https://twitter.com/disc_connected - Email: DiscConnectedMedia@gmail.com -- Merch: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-disc-connected - Podcast: https://thediscconnected.podbean.com - If you happen to be shopping on Amazon for something and would like to share some of Lord Bezos' profits with my channel at no additional cost to you, please consider shopping through my link: https://amzn.to/39mcX1t - Tip Jar: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=TDEVSPJZ9EFCW or paypal.me/RVinls (friends and family only) or  Amazon wish list: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/20CR2ZN456P1B?ref_=wl_share - Music is by Michael J. LeRose- michaelxcreates@gmail.com. Outro is K(NO)W by Crusoe via a Creative Commons Attribution License and verbal/written permission from the artist. - Links above may be affiliate/promotional links that provide me a tiny commission to support the sight and do not charge the consumer anything extra.

jD, Pete, and Tim are back and this week they're discussing the EP Saskadelphia. TracksMontreal - Studio outtake Ouch - Studio versionCrack my Spine (Like a Whip) - Live from Halifax 1991Reformed Baptist Blues - Studio versionTranscriptTrack 1:[0:00] If you're a fan of the Tragically Hip, this is your hip fest. Getting Hip to the Hip, September 1st at The Rec Room. Celebrate the music of the hip with a live tribute act, the finale of a hip-based podcast, and a silent auction with amazing hip prizes, with all proceeds going to support the Gord Downieand Chani Wenjack Fund. If you're a fan of the hip, you need to be there. Tickets available now at gettinghiptothehip.com. Track 2:[0:28] The first, and to date, only posthumous release by the tragically hip is 2021's marvelous EP, Saskadelphia. [0:37] Borrowing its title from the original name of Road Apples, this record packs a punch in under 20 minutes of non-stop rock. Even the chilling theme of the song Montreal moves mountains with its haunting chorus. I remember downloading Saskadelphia on the mail-on weekend in 2021 and I was immediately transported back to 1991. [0:59] In some cases, we're even invited into this studio with banter between Gord and someone named Bruce. It was a total trip hearing these songs from a bygone era with a pair of ears from the 21st century. In some cases it was familiar, as I own bootlegs of Crack My Spine Like a Whip and Just as Well, but these new versions were bursting at the seams with nuance that only a studiorecording can offer. I felt nostalgic and sad listening, but by the end I was grinning ear to ear. This was a fantastic hip experience, and it's one I hope we get to enjoy with the upcoming re-release of Phantom Power, and I'm calling it here first, but I think we see an Up to Here boxset celebrating 35 years sometime in 2024. But don't quote me on that, unless I'm right of course. At any rate, I'm nervous about giving this one to Pete and Tim. Although they both enjoyed Road Apples initially, will they appreciate the significance of this EP? Will nostalgia be a factor for a pair of people who only first heard the band in November of 2022? [2:08] What kind of impact will this have? We'll have to wait and see on this episode of Getting Hip to the Hip. Track 5:[2:40] All right hey hey it's JD here and we are back again for another uh well let's call it the penultimate episode of getting hip to the hip i'm here as always with my friends Pete and Timto discuss Seminole Canadian rock band The Tragically Hip we're going through every album and we find ourselves at the last album. An EP as it were, Saskadelphia. It was released for the May long weekend in 2021 and it's a it's it's a trip back to the road Apple days. Before we get too deep into that discussion though, how the fuck are you guys doing? Well you know I'm a little a little of a Climbed a little tongue-tied. I don't know. I told my kid, Sage, this morning, I was like, this is sort of one of the last recordings. It's about 20 minutes of music. [3:41] And he was very encouraging on moving on to more pod stuff, because he knows I've totally loved doing this. But at the same time, I'm like, do we have to do this today, guys? Can we postpone it? Pause right here and do it later. Because it's like the last bunch of songs, really. The problem is, in a week, you'll be here. It's true. It's true. You'll be here, and we'll be doing the For Real last episode. Hope to see you there at Getting Hip to the Hip, an evening for the Donnie Wenjack Fund. Tickets are $40. You can get them on gettinghiptothehip.com. [4:20] Slash click the ticket button. Do that. It'll be good. Pete, how are you, man? I'm good. Um, your cadence threw me off there at the beginning, JD, because when you said I'm here with my good friends, Pete and Tim to discuss, and I thought you were going to,you're going to say two disgusting fucking individuals, but just to discuss. And then you were like the penultimate record. So, no, I'm good. Everybody knows that by now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kidding me with our link or that way. We fucking two sailors, three sailors here. That's right. With your captain Pete who we've gotten, I think we've gotten, uh, we've gotten a couple of emails from people saying, do you haveto use the F-word so much? You swear like sailors, ahoy motherfuckers. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm still looking forward to the, to the, uh, to the live event. I cannot wait. It's going to be so much fun. I'm I just I just hope I hope people are that show up want to that want to just talk about the hip. And I'm like, I'm wondering what other people say because I only know you guys. [5:37] Like, I've only I only really well my friend Barb too, but like, like, yeah, I don't talk about the hip, but I'm gonna be surrounded with a shit ton of people who fucking love the hip. It's going to be cool, man. Has Barb, has Barb confirmed? Barb's not confirmed, but Barb's on the fence. She's, she's, I think she just, we need to, we need to push Barb over the edge. How do we do that? We're pushing her right now. Barb, if you're listening. It's a, it's a love push, Barb. Barb. We're just giving you, we're just giving you a little, little bump you need. You need to be there, Barb. Careful, one person's love push is another person's incarceration, so you want to be careful with that. Well, I said bump, I meant like a little tiny, you know. Was that a Burning Bush reference? Is that a Bible reference? I missed it, went over my head. I'm out of swords today, gentlemen. [6:37] Are we gonna tackle this record? Well, let's talk about where you guys listened to this record for the first time. Where did listen to it, give me the environment, give me the background, give me the details, and then we'll go song by song. For me, no, my car is not a Yugo with the premium audiosound system. Surely it is not. Surely it is not. They're out of business. No, I listen to it in the car a lot, listen to it on my computer a lot. I've been doing a lot of work at the desk and was really surprised with this record, really surprised. kind of. [7:18] Yeah, I'll save all that, but yeah, listen mainly at the computer and in the car. All right. How about you, Tim? I'm the same. Same exact. Yeah. Sitting down. Sitting down. And it's a quick one, right? It's like 20 minutes and you're through. Yeah, 20 minutes. Right. Yeah. It's a tupper. When they first released it, they called it an album. I'm pretty sure they said it was an album. And a lot of people bitched. A lot of people were like, this isn't an album, it's an EP. It's six songs. Who called it that? I believe they did centrally, but even on the wiki page now, it's listed as an EP. So I don't know if it's been officially changed or what, but I'm calling it an EP. And it's a nice bookend. You get the EP at the beginning and you get the EP at the end, you know, in terms of bookends. Unless there's other music out there. But this came out after Gord's passing. This did. Yes. Yeah. 21. Yeah. 2021. People are bitching after the fact. Way to go hit fans. What a show. How about you? How about you, JD? JD, where, what was your experience when this came out? Oh boy. [8:25] Uh, did you grab it? Yeah. Um, I bought the 35th or the 30th it's yeah. The 30th anniversary of road apples, a box set. And it came in that box set and it came with live camp. It was a great box set because it came with a remastered road apples. It came with Saskadelphia. It came with Live at the Roxy and I want to say another record so it was chock full of cool cool shit for me it was just it was just a trip because it was like the last we heard of this band. [9:03] Was Man-Machine-Poem and it's very different from Road Apples, very different from Road Apples. And all of a sudden I was listening to brand new hip that was 35 years old, you know? So it was like, it was really, it hurt my brain a little bit, my brain was doing spirals, you know? Like it was like, this doesn't make sense, this is new, but this is really old. So I don't quite understand what this is all about, you know. But very much enjoyed it. A little disappointed that the version of Montreal is a live version, but I like the live version. It's good, you know. There's a reason. Yeah, there's a reason. And we'll get into that as we go. Should we start with Ouch? [9:54] Well, let's do a little more backstory. Yeah, go. Because in my experience of this EP, I went really quickly to YouTube and ended up watching some of the mini episodes that featureJohnny Faye in the Universal Warehouse finding the tapes. That's crazy. And all that stuff. And it was really interesting to go through those and hear him talk about Universal claiming the fire they had in the warehouse that was, I think he said they found out about it, the NewYork Times article. Yeah. Yeah, that's all I remember. And it listed all these bands whose tapes burned, and they were on the list. And so... [10:42] Johnny, I think. I forget who else. Johnny and somebody else immediately, it sounds like, really quickly went down to hunt down the tapes and they didn't burn. And he even had a comment, or most of them anyways, he even had a comment about how universal they thought. Actually, this was Baker in a different interview, because I watched a bunch with him too. Baker said that they thought that maybe the fire and the tapes were this multi-mega cash-in on getting assets destroyed that weren't really destroyed. But ultimately, they've said that they found 45-ish of 60-ish tapes and there's still potentially more out there. [11:29] So, there's some great interviews on this stuff. I probably watched, I don't know, six interviews. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, I was kind of laid up one day and just had some time to kill and watch them, watch them interview. So yeah, so it's, maybe there is more out there. I mean, they pulled together, what is this, five songs? Well, six with Montreal, but yeah. Six. Yeah, six. And, you know, if there's, if we get six more eventually, that would be awesome. Yeah, because they are, I mean, there is talk of Phantom Power being reissued. They announced that last year that Phantom Power would be reissued this year. The 25th anniversary has passed, but I suspect it'll be a Christmas release, you know, but I don't know anything beyond that. [12:16] No, the cover of Phantom Power was actually done by Rob Baker. Really? That's a fact. Oh, wow. Rob Baker studied graphic design, I believe. Graphic design. Oh, yeah. University of Queensland? Queens, Queens University, yeah. Queens. Yeah. near the Bronx. Yeah, right now the Bronx just a hop, skipping the jump away. I'm skipping a jump. I had not, I had not heard or watched and heard interviews with him really yet. And man, I want to hang out with that guy. He is so. Baker? I don't know. He had so many. He had, yeah, he had so many fun, not fun. It's somebody wise one-liners just in the course of conversation with interviewers. Like he's just fucking Zen dude. So chill. Sorry. Some of it was during COVID and he was talking about like during COVID, how his son moved back home and they were, they had set times during the week where theywere jamming together and ah, man, it just. That's very cool. It's just a rad sounding dude. Yeah. Yeah. Well, get in line, Tim, because. [13:26] I'll be behind you. Yeah. Yeah. Rob Baker and I, we go back. We're gonna, I'm in Kingston. We got a we got a couple of beer dates Talk gear. I think it was I think it was ouch That Johnny Fay one of the YouTube video the one of these little mini episode things that Johnny Fay He's listening. There's a video of him listening to ouch. I believe it was out and And it gets to the end, and it stops. And he's so elated and excited. And he said something like, it even has an end. So stoked to find a complete song. Before we jump into the record, did you guys see the, Tim, I didn't watch all the interviews, but what's his name? Craig Rogers sent that email with the videos from the Cineplex event they did. Right, yeah. They did an event at the bathhouse. I didn't see that. Oh, dude, it's fucking cool. I mean, the only videos that he could find were... Or Bob Cajun, Escape is at Hand, Country Day and Coffee Girl, but they did this live event at the bathhouse. [14:44] During Bob Cajun, Rob Baker's just playing guitar. I don't think anybody else is in the video if I remember correctly, and Gord Downie's just shooting pool and singing this songwhile he's shooting pool. It's the coolest fucking thing. Oh my God, I got to see this. It's so cool, man. It's one of the coolest fucking, he's just like, he's, and it's a weird, like, I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm not, when, you know, when we go to the bath house and eventually record there one day, I'm not going to piss and moan to the guys about the pool table. I hope it's a bar size table, but I noticed that the balls in Canada, they weren't like, you know, the color balls like we have in the U S or like red balls. And then maybe a different color. Were they playing snooker maybe? Maybe it was like a snooker table but yeah. Yes they are. They are. They're playing snooker. I just pulled it up. I did this. Sorry Craig. I didn't I didn't I didn't go through. I saw it Craig. Thanks. I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to respond. I've been busy working this week. Yeah I haven't. [15:51] Sorry Craig. Very cool. Yeah. Got something new to check out. That's great let's dive in ouch ouch ouch. [19:12] Go ahead, Timmy. Take it. Well, this one kind of brought me back to Born in the Water. And back then, when we were talking about Road Apples, if I recall correctly, I had some comments about it being bluesy, and George Thurgood, whatever. I had some comments like, why are these guys? They're a rock and roll band, but they're in different buckets of genres within rock and roll. And not many bands can do that and do it successfully. A lot of them try, and I think don't do as good of a job. And so listening to Ouch made me realize, it just brought me kind of full circle on The Hip's abilities and their skills and their talents and brought me to this kind of new level of fandomof thinking about that. [20:18] And like I imagine I have some friends from back in the day who are big time music guys and I imagine that what they would would think about listening to different types of songsby The Hip and how some who are not Hip fans might think it's kooky or why they're doing this. Or it's kind of out of a comfort zone. But listening to Ouch and going back to Road Apples and Born in the Water and songs like that, like it just, it brought me kind of, It completed the circle of thinking. [20:49] These guys are really talented they can do whatever they want to do they're they got the they got their driver's licenses they got the keys you know it's it's just like god what couldwhat can they not do at this point you know and the the song is we could talk about the song and all the aspects of it and gourd's growly singing and you know all the things but this onejust kind of it just kind of hit me full circle with the band and it made me think like at one point i was like thinking about you know in the u.s, raiders fans or fans of certain teams or youknow i bleed whatever i don't know it's all these stupid things of these allegiances to to cultural items and how, or genres or arts and how some people can be like, just so narrow within acategory of something that they really love and how, like, I don't know this. If you opened up your mind a little bit and accept things a little more, why are you hiring now? [22:04] Have more enjoyment. No, no, you can have more enjoyment. No, seriously, I had a moment with this song. Wow. Really fucking solidified why I like The Hip and why I could argue to the end of all day is about how they're fucking better than youtwo. How's that? Yeah. You know? Yeah. So there. That's what happened to me with this song. [22:29] That's far out. Probably led to so many video watchings because I was like, Like just give me more at a personal level of these guys. It's 9.53 in the morning for fuck's sake. It's not even 10. Can I wait till 10 to get high? 20 somewhere, baby. That's right. What about you, Pete? [22:52] Um, I, I dug this song. The only thing I, you know, can kind of gather that, you know. [23:00] I, I agree with Tim on, um, not that I disagree with him on what else he was saying. But you know, just kind of one of the points that he made was that this kind of brought it full circle. Like, I think when we started out with road apples, Tim and I were both kind of like,where are we going with this? And then even when we talked to Paul Ling Wah the other day, how he was, you know, we were talking about, you know, everybody has a different entry point to the hip, you know, westarted from the, from the very beginning. You know so maybe that wasn't our destined entry point, but it was the entry point nonetheless. And we kind of came back full circle because now we got this similar sound of what road apples was without and My only comments on the song itself, which I loved It just painted apicture And I'll read it to you It's 11 15 p.m, The bar is dirty and it's dingy the happy hour crowd has gone home drunk already The band's starting to get into its back catalog and angrytunes. And the close the bar down crowd has just showed up, you know. The guy with the pull cue in the fucking case, a couple of bar room hustlers, a couple of hot chicks that um... [24:29] That frequent the bar. Everybody showed up. Barkeep's getting surly. Barkeep is getting surly. [24:39] Everything about this band, this song, gave me the vibe like they're just up on stage playing and they don't give a fuck. They don't care. They've done it so many times, It's just, it's like muscle memory to them. And they're just, rock and roll is just fucking in their veins. And it's on display for everybody who's probably taking it for granted at the bar. It seems that way. Yeah. Yeah. Because Lord knows, I mean, I took Road Apples and that shit for granted. Did you guys go back to it? Like, after listening to this record, did you go back to Road Apples? To Road Apples, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like to try and see what like to me I did the same thing and it was like it was to try and see where these songs would have fit in because like asmuch as it's new material we all have to understand too it's material that they felt wasn't up to snuff to make the actual record, right? Yeah, which is weird to me like but maybe it was just a time thing. Yeah, yeah. Because I thought the majority of these songs on this record were great. [25:51] Yeah. Yeah, I tend to agree with you. I enjoy it. It's not long enough to be offensive. Even if it was offensive, you know? You're in and you're out, and it's done. Yeah. What it did for me, I mean, I went back to Road Apples, but I also, again, went. [26:12] To video stuff like i hung out on youtube more with this one and pete it's funny you mentioned kind of a bar scene because the video for this song it's kind of all about a bar sceneit's it's a fun it's a really i didn't know there was the videos for a few yeah there's videos for a few of these yeah jay baruchel's in that video right ouch ouch is it yeah yeah ouch is a hootit's got like all these hidden nuggets through the video with references to other songs or albums. Yeah I think there was like 20 of them. It's a really good video. Yeah, yeah. It's a really, really good video. I watched it a couple times. Super interesting. Yeah, a lot of fun. So check that out. All right, let's move to Not Necessary. Not necessary. [27:01] Um, again, this is just like, I thought this song would have fucking cooked live. I mean, like, like most of the songs on this EP, just like pictured sweat just fucking pouring off of everybody's foreheads. And just, yeah, it was just a good time record, man. A good time tune. Chorus was super hooky, just like, had a great, like it did sound, the chorus sounded like it was, you know, crafted in that time. Like if you saw a TNC Surf t-shirt, somebody was wearing it walking down the street, you'd know what like year that kind of came from. I don't know if anybody remembers TNC Surf.Do you remember that company? Well, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, um, TNC Serpent Skate it was called. But yeah, it's just like, yeah, that would be, you'd know what era it was from. And definitely this song was a bit of just, they were justhaving such a fucking good time. It was kind of a window into their youth. Yeah, yeah, that's good call. Life on the road in the van, you can almost smell the inside of the van, stinky and, you know, sweaty and lived in. Yeah. How about you, Tim? [28:25] I agree with Pete on all that. I don't have much more on the song. I dug the song. I really no qualms about it. [28:37] This one I went faster to video. I hate to say that I just watched videos on all this shit, but I watched a lot of videos. And this one's cool. It's like bank robbery gone wrong. It's got a total plot, to it that somehow ties into the song. I haven't seen the video for this one. It's a really... Oh man, it's killer. Check that out. It's got a cliffhanger at the end. It's a fun video and I just... It really... I don't know, just after listening to so much music by these guys with cans and not having much visually other than some live stuff, like it was fun to find videos from this EP. So, definitely watch Ouch and watch Not Necessary. Great song. Right, we move next to the very solemn song about the École Polytechnique massacre that happened in the late 80s in Montreal, where a young man brutally murdered 14students and the Tragically Hip wrote a response to that it's very loosely based in that although it's bang on at the same time like there are lyrics in it that give you chills, you know? [30:05] But what did you think of Montreal, Tim? [30:11] It's a heavy one. I think I read that 27 people were shot, 14 died. You know, it's one of these songs that you could throw in a bucket by the hip that aren't something I reach for just because of the subject material. You know, it's like one of those heavy things that's Marked history and something uncomfortable and something that we we still deal with Every day, you know like the like a few othertheir songs in this this whole Tragedy, I don't know it's it's a It's you know our Mind may be privileged to listen to it and feel unsettled and move on and put it in a drawer You know,because it's fucking tough history and a tough topic and all the things. And yeah, it's also like, I commend The Hip for and Gord for writing it and them playing it live. Like it's this song is brave, it takes courage and I don't know, I just I don't have a lot of music, just actual tune. Sure. Comments about it, just because it's like, you know? [31:40] Because, I mean, just also being in the USA, I mean, we deal with this stuff all the time. So it's just like, you know, it's probably a song that everybody should hear and play. [31:55] Let me just tell a quick little anecdote before we come to you Pete. I remember my friend Jeff who was older than me and he drove to Toronto for a show, a hip show at the old Ontario Place Forum and I remember him coming back and saying there's thissong called Montreal I think it's going to be on the next record like it was so great like and I got to hear it again And this is back in the day when you just couldn't hear it again. That was it. He heard it and that was his memory of it. And that's the end. He didn't get to hear it again until years later. You hear traces of it on Live Between Us during Courage, I believe. They start singing the tail end of Montreal. Pete, what did you think of this live version? I really liked it. I did. I thought it was very haunting. Those little, you know, cool guitar licks. Those little, you know, I think they're arpeggios or something. And then when the chorus just switches over to a major, it's like a, you know, beautiful. [33:12] What's the way it kind of puts into a happier space, but then it just gets dark again. It was just a bit of a seesaw feeling, this song, but it's definitely something that I, again, I mean, I don't know if it was because of it was a live version, but, you know, I would probably, if Iheard the studio version of this tune, I would want to hear it live too, because it was really a really pretty song, but it was, Because of the six songs on this record. [33:45] I would say it was, you know, I would say it was not my favorite, but I really liked it. I think just because it starts off so heavy. Yeah. Record, you know? Yeah. So. All right. No. JD, if you checked out JD, I guess there's a DVD of that show at the Metropolis. Oh really? That's available, yeah, there's a DVD that's available for free, like via the Hip Fans webpage. I haven't gone back to checking that. Yeah, you might. Check that out, because that sounds pretty awesome. There's some fan... They don't tend to give things away very often. There's some fan footage that... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, there's some fan footage that somebody produced a DVD. Oh, wow. Okay. Well if you're interested in the 7-inch of Montreal, we have an autographed copy of the 7-inch of Montreal and it'll be at the silent auction of the event so that's kind offun. That's a fun one. Yeah, and I should note it's auctioned by the four living members of the band. Like it's not a complete, you know, Gord is not on there. But you get all the living members of the band and that's pretty fucking cool. You get Pete, Tim and JD to sign it too. That's right. That was a joke because it'll be devalued if that happens. [35:14] So we flip the record over and we get the fucking electric, crack my spine like a whip. [38:30] This song fucking melts, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah. [38:35] You know, this is the one, this is the one that Johnny Faye was like, it has an ending too. This was the one he was so psyched about. This is over here in my notes, I'm finally getting on that. And this is the song that led me to ask Paul about he and Baker's guitar playing and he noted how they're who was it Dan Smith Don Smith who also makes this yeah how he channeledthem yeah how he channeled them and put one in the left and one of the right and the hard pan yeah so this song made me yeah the hard pan this song made me realize I don't know it wasit It was a complete picture in my brain of what these guys were doing on guitar. And I even said to Paul, I tried to get into it a little bit, but I would love to talk to him in person about it. But this song, Paul on guitar, he's just got the, just reminds me of 80s power guitar chords, just like Ramones and 80s bad religion. And he's just going through it. It's like he's the fucking locomotive of this song, which also ties in with Pete so many times, how you've said how Paul and Johnny are like a unit unlike any other, cause it's usually drumsand the bass player, you know? [40:02] But these guys have such an interesting compositional makeup within each other, you know? This song to me, like, it kind of personified their abilities And, you know, they're I don't know, just this this song is killer. I just loved it. I listened to it so many times, so many times. It's just killer. Good one. Good song. Yeah. Thanks. Thank you, Don Smith. I mean, you you nailed it with these guys not being rhythm and lead or lead and rhythm. You nailed it with these guys being guitarists. So just let it ride. [40:39] Well, I thought this song it fucking cooked. I mean, I don't have much to say about it, other than the fact that, um, I, you know, to your point, Tim, to add on to it, I think it was more than just Paul and Johnny, I think, Paul, Johnny,Gord, and Rob Baker, are all like, on stage in a fucking musical orgy. And strangely enough, I feel like Gord is in background of the song. He's not a I mean he's there but I wouldn't call him the star of the show for this song. That fucking band like just stepped in front. Gord's like you know in the back like, you know, Maybe changing Johnny's fucking crash cymbal because he broke it so many times duringthe song. He's there and it's good and not trying to take away from Gord's vocals, but the band just fucking destroys this song. You could tell they were having a blast when they recorded it. Hands down. They just take over, you know? Yeah. So yeah, good song. [41:56] One of the YouTube videos on this, I just went back to it. They're called the Saskadelphia Minutes. And there's like five or six episodes, but not all of them are posted. But there is a one minute, they're all short, there is a one minute version of our video for this song just as well. And it's got some fun live footage of the guys. is one thing I think Baker was talking about in a video is how a lot of these songs they did play live and he didn't really have many answersor questions about like why didn't they make it or where did they go or what happened you know he was just like we had a lot of songs and he one cool takeaway of these songs inparticular and just as well was that they didn't rehearse much He spoke at length about how they didn't rehearse much and they road-tested new songs. He said often they'd come out and whatever new song they were working on, they'd play first. Like that was their warm-up, was road-testing a song. And like bands don't do that. Like nobody does that. You know what I mean? It's like you play first base for whatever. [43:16] And coach is like, hey, you're going out, move to left field. And it's like, OK, I'll play left field. I think I can do this. And it's just gnarly what these guys were capable of. It's pretty awesome. And just to back up to our last pod, it's about the absolute opposite of what Mr. Bob Rock these guys do one. You know? It really is. It's like if they could go out and road test a song, first show, the first song of the night. Yeah. Phew. you, Yeah, rather than work on something for a couple ofmonths. It's I think road testing was the way to go. That's the unique gift there to us as listeners and fans. You got to just see your favorite band jam. [44:09] And sometimes they'd come up with something, and you're just like, wow, what is that? I got to hear that. Like my friend with Montreal. Yeah. You know? And then when. Yeah. Yeah, Baker said, you know, we played 200 plus shows a year. We knew each other. We know each other. We're all best friends. We could do it. We could just sit down and figure something out. And if we liked it, we'd go do it. Goddamn. What a gift those guys had. So you merged into Just As Well there, Tim. We were talking about Crack My Spine Like a Whip, and you've brought it into Just as Well, so should we stick with Just as Well for Pete? Or do you have more to say about Just as Well? [44:55] I mean only about picking scabs. All right. Yeah. Because that's the line in Just as Well. For the love of Pete. It's going to keep getting infected. It's going to keep getting infected if you keep picking at it. Oh, Pete, they knew. Yeah, right, right. Sure they did. I love the ready Bruce right at the beginning. That was fun. [45:23] Hmm. This was one I genuinely was like, what the fuck? Why is why was this not on the record? Oh, wow. This was. Hmm. Hundred percent. Hundo. This was probably my favorite tune on the record. Got a lot of Stones vibes. Yeah. I mean, super big. Everything from the guitar tone to just the song itself, just rolling stones. Yeah. And I don't know, man, the more it ebbs and flows because, excuse me, the longer I listen to this band, the more I just understand each and every member, because specifically thissong, Gord Sinclair's bass stands out so much because it follows, I think, Rob Baker's guitar licks. And it just, yeah, what a talented fucking band, man. At this stage in the game they were. [46:31] You know, yeah, what do you, I mean, what a fucking jam. What do you want me to say about the song just cooks dude you know the hook turn around it's just it's so good it's a pop tune, rock pop tune fucking formulaic yeah it is a good one it is agood formula right like it's like original coca-cola it's like it's a formula but it's it works it's it's yeah but there's a lot there's a lot of coke out there there's a lot of soda there's rc there's youknow there's shasta There's that store-bought shit, but this is original fucking recipe, man. This is, maybe even a little savour original. [47:13] Listen to that rolling R's. You like that? Yeah. So, the next one is... [50:44] I just thought, let's go get in the car and go for a drive, you know. It's just reminded me of like my teenage years as a Catholic youth and having a driver's license. I literally had a time in my life and it was like with that summer where I was to go to church and I would just pick up my buddy Dave and we'd drive around for an hour and smokecigarettes and go back home. How was church? It was great. That's what this reminded me of. [51:13] But again, it made me think about the band and the various aspects of rock and roll they could go after, which, you know, we have in our time, you know, we had The Stones whocould do that. We had Zeppelin who could do that. Maybe Queen. Definitely The Beatles. You know, there aren't many bands who can go after kind of different aspects of rock and roll and do it really well and still remain respected and still keep, you know, selling out stadiumsacross Canada or whatever. But this song, it's huge. It hits the two-minute mark and it felt like it could kind of be done or not, and it just keeps going and that's awesome, you know. [51:53] Yeah, I just, it's got like a 15-second fade out. That works for you, doesn't it? And it's cool. Oh my God. I mean, this is this is a killer song. It's the live versions of this song are amazing. This song live is yeah, that's what I'm saying to you. It's alive. It's it's a cooker. It's out there live. I don't know, man. I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm sure I have no doubt that the song cooks live, but you cannot debate that the song does not cook on the fucking studioversion. Because Because it's, it's, I mean, dude, it, it's, this song, if it was like, it's a, it's another bar brawl. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, everything is so filthy, dirty, the guitars, gourds, gourds, who's, you know, Cheers. [52:46] There used to be this bar, nobody knows where this town is, it's in Cedar County, Missouri, near Stockton, it's about 70 miles from, Jesus, where would you fly, what's the gamblingtown where they got the riverboat? It's a shithole town, apologies if you're from there. Oh, God, Branson, it's about 75 miles from Branson, yeah. [53:16] And Cedar County, a town called Jericho Springs, I can't remember the name of it, but everybody called it the Purple Unicorn, because there was a purple unicorn out front. And this was a bar where like you would, 90% of the jukebox would be Merle Haggard and Waylon Jennings, and Willie Nelson, and that's it. Nothing else. You wouldn't you would not find anything else on there. And this band would like maybe, you know, be staying in town and play a show there. And it would just the place would erupt in a ballroom, ballroom brawl, cops, which cop cars blackand whites all over. Fucking people getting fucking taken out of their Bottles getting broken over people's fucking heads. Then them just fucking smoking a cigarette. The only way I would want to hear this song live would be with at least a fifth of Jim Beam in me or some shitty whiskey. Not even Jack Daniels, just some shit whiskey. I do like this song. [54:27] It's a barroom brawler too. That's awesome. Yeah. And that's how the record ends. That's, you know, as far as we know, that's all the hip we're gonna get. And that puts us in a position to pick our last song for our playlists. You guys each get to pick a song and it'll be the last song in your playlist and you'll debut your playlists at the last episode. So in the proper order that they belong in and everybody will get to see your playlists. What are you choosing? Well, I know I said before that Just As Well was probably my favorite tune, but then I'm taking that back because I just painted that picture in my head so well. I would say Reformed Baptist Blues, man. Oh, wow. That's gonna be it. Yeah, 100%, dude. That song is fuckin'. [55:32] You know like where they get the guy and they throw the guy on the bar and they fucking they shovel him down the bar and he slides and he breaks a bunch of glasses and his headgoes into the jukebox like that's this song and the band's still playing they're still finishing the song because if they stop playing they don't get paid exactly exactly Cool cues gettingbroken over people's fucking heads. What about you Tim? What's your track? I love that song. Yeah, I love that song as well, but I'm going with Crack My Spine. I love the guitar. Yeah, I love the guitars in that one. They're rhythmical like a whip. That song did it for me. Well, your lists are now complete. I will send them to you so you guys can sequence them and maybe you do that on the plane ride over. Who knows? You'll listen to it to see if it works. [56:31] But that's what I've got for you. I want to thank you as always for doing all the heavy fucking lifting and listening to the music, having to describe it, answering my stupid assquestions, all that shit. Guys are fucking gold to me and I can't wait to see you next week and uh, and share you with the world so there's that peace out guys peace out see you in canada pick up your thanks Itwas... It was... You stepped on my fucking line. Fuuuck you Tim how could you? Pick up your shit! Support 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In this special episode of the podcast jD, Pete, and Tim sit down with Gord Sinclair for a broad conversation about touring with the Hip, the future of Rock music, and his new record In Continental Divide. Stay tuned for the big announcement following this episode. If you know you know. RateThisPodcast.com/ghtthTranscript0:00:00 - Speaker 1Well, we're really, really thrilled that you could take some time with us today. This is a pretty exciting And this is my pleasure. 0:00:07 - Speaker 2I appreciate it I. 0:00:09 - Speaker 1Don't know if you know what the premise of our podcast is, but I want to give you a. Snip it so you get a. You get an understanding of who these two gentlemen that you're, that you're with, are sure. 0:00:21 - Speaker 3Maybe you should tell them at the end JD, let's get the Way. 0:00:28 - Speaker 1No way, no way, i'm sorry out. So I did a podcast called meeting Malcolm s and it was about pavement and I met these two guys in Europe last year Going to see pavement a bunch of times and we got talking about music And I really love the way they talk about music, the thoughtfulness and the way they understand it and so, naturally me being a very big, tragically hip fan your, your name came up and Them being from Southern California, one by way of Malaga, spain, and one by way of Portland, portland, oregon. Now They hadn't, they hadn't had much experience with you. So I thought, dreamt up this idea of the podcast taking them through your discography, one record at a time, so that The listeners can experience, can experience what it's like to hear your music for the first time. Again, cool. 0:01:27 - Speaker 3It's been. It's been a journey man, it's been really. 0:01:31 - Speaker 2What do you guys up to now like record-wise? is it still work in progress or we have just released up to here. 0:01:39 - Speaker 1So Okay. Here's a fun fact for you. Did you know that if you take your entire catalog and Release them, starting on May 2 4 weekend, and release one a week for the summer, it ends on Labor Day? 0:01:58 - Speaker 2Oh, no, I didn't know that you're your catalog. 0:02:01 - Speaker 1Your catalog is perfect for the summer man. 0:02:03 - Speaker 2Okay, great, well, that's, that is kind of appropriate. For sure We're, you know, sir It. We're unlike Southern California. We kind of lived for the for the three or four months where You can actually sit outside and play guitar with it, your fingers falling off, you know. 0:02:21 - Speaker 4That's, that's definitely me. in Portland, oregon, we had the the soggy a spring I could remember in my 22 years here. 0:02:28 - Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, that's a great town. We we played Portland a bunch, the Aladdin theater, remember that place. 0:02:36 - Speaker 4Yeah, it's an awesome theater. 0:02:37 - Speaker 2Yeah, it's great Yeah. 0:02:39 - Speaker 4Yeah, it was. It was a cool room. It was fun to play that. We'd love to have you back there with your your current gig. So it would be yeah well, it would be great. 0:02:48 - Speaker 2It would be great. Things have changed for the live music business. Unfortunately, Do it for the most true. 0:02:56 - Speaker 1Yeah, so for now, the tour, the tour that you're doing In Toronto and like Southern Ontario, yeah, is that? is that what we're expecting to see for now, or will there be more dates in the future? 0:03:10 - Speaker 2I mean it's still. It's still up in the air. I I'm certainly not averse to doing more dates, but we, you know, yeah, but, but we'll, but we'll wait and see. You know it's it's it's not an easy proposition. Taking the show on the road, i mean the expenses are kind of through the roof from, just in terms of putting the boys up. That's why we're staying pretty close to home. To start, not only on my band leader now, but I'm also a father. My, my youngest son, is Playing bass in the group and he's got a day job, so I got to get him back. It would be irresponsible for for me to have him run away to the circus like I did, you know. But what it needs to be seen, you know it remains to be seen. 0:04:03 - Speaker 1So how is that turn? turning around to your left or right and seeing your son, you know, in your familiar spot? 0:04:08 - Speaker 2It's, it's, it's, it's pretty great, i gotta say it's pretty great. He's a On his own. He is an amazing musician. All my, all my kids can play, but but he, this one's got a particular Ear and talent Guitar and piano or his principal instruments. He's not really a bass player But he can play just about anything. He's just one of these kids that can hear a melody on the radio or on record and sit down the piano and play it back to you. So, on that regard, it's really, really great to see him actually playing the. The flip side of it is as a He's a singer, songwriter in his own right and it's in the process of finishing a record that he did while he was at university, mcgill. And it's tough, you know, it's tough for young kids starting out today to get that, to get that leg up. You know that opportunity to that a group like ours had, you know where we, you know We were able to start playing gigs while we were in school, you know, and and kind of built it up from there very, very, very organically. We got better as we played more and and and as we played more, more people came and Then we got more gigs and it sort of snowballed from there and, like we like most, we started as a cover band And, crazily enough, like back in the 80s when we were playing, they didn't really want original artists in the clubs in Canada. So we would, you know, we would we were playing mostly kind of B sides of old stone songs and pre things and Kinks and stuff like that and then thrown in on, and so when we played at our song we said, oh that's, you know, that's from an old Damn record from from 1967, just absolutely bullshitting our way because there's some clubs that you had to write down your set list, make sure you weren't playing original material, bizarre. So. So now it's yeah, it's just a different scene. I'd love to see him working and playing, making it, taking a go at it. 0:06:18 - Speaker 4Yeah, i kind of feel like this day and age to Make it in a band and get on an actual tour That's further away than your closest region, it's like, it's almost like becoming a professional athlete. Yeah, you know, it's just like your chance. Yeah, getting that notoriety and getting embraced and carried through it, it's, it's just tougher. I have a close, close cousin of mine is in a band here in Portland and They're going at it so hard and you know they're lucky to get, i don't know, the six, six or eight West Coast swing. Yeah, and happy about it, but I tell you the cost for them and all that. Just like you said, it's, it's, it's, it's a tough, that's a tough go. 0:06:58 - Speaker 2Yeah, it's, it's. It's very much the same here. It's like anything, you know it, that You put a group together, you just, you get that, jones, you know, you do it for the love of it, and if you see a little glimpse of light at the end of the tunnel, it's enough to keep you going. Right, the one gig leads to the next, the next, but, but, boy, if you get continued roadblocks thrown up against you, it's a little demoralizing. And certainly up in Canada the live music scene Was in a tough spot even before COVID, and COVID really, just, you know, cut the head off the vampire It was. It was just made it so, so difficult, particularly at the at the early stage gigs, like in most downtown cores They've been. You know, the small rooms where it would be your first gig when you came to Winnipeg, or your first gig when you came to London, ontario, those rooms don't exist anymore. Yeah, you know, in fact I was talking to my agent a little while ago and Again, it's been a while since I've been out to Western Canada But he was saying that there's not really a gig in Vancouver and Calgary, you know, you know, in a 500 seat capacity and that's, and that's tough when you're just coming through town for the first time. I mean it's tough is on a regional level. If you're a young band story or a colonial, let alone From Kingston, ontario, you know, which is a real shame. I mean, the great thing about being from Canada, you know I The biggest obstacle to touring in this country Is actually our greatest assets, the sheer size of the country. You know, once you, once you kind of break out of your region and play in the crap little clubs around your hometown, then you've got eight, ten, twelve hours in some cases driving in between The, the gigs and you learn really early and really really quickly How to play. You know an empty room on a Tuesday night and a shithole on a Wednesday night With the object of getting to a win, a peg, you know, for Friday and Saturday night and maybe selling some tickets. You either You either fall in love with the lifestyle and the guys in your group or the gals in your group is the case. Maybe you're you bust up before you get you out of our problem, yeah, ontario. And so you get a lot of hearty souls that are doing it and then in the meantime, during all the traveling, you just develop this rapport with your bandmates and if you're a composer at all, it's great. You have so much time sitting in the band or sitting hotel room. You, just you're right, shoot the shit and Become what you become. It's true for musicians, it's true for crew people in this country as well. You know, you look at any international group and their crews are populated by Canadians. Because they have that experience, you learn how to travel. You know, get along with people in a confined space of a Band or tour bus, and it's a real asset that we have. The, fortunately, is getting more and more difficult. 0:10:17 - Speaker 3It's a bummer, because I love you guys you guys own your, i mean, and I we know this. I know this because We've pretty much gone through the, the majority of the discography, at least for the hip, and You guys really honed your skills of those Tuesday, wednesday night shittles, yeah, that you're playing To get you know, you can either take those is like Oh man, there's, there's five people here. What do we do? Like let's, let's, let's, let's treat it like a really tight rehearsal. Yeah, you know, whatever, and it it shows, at least from my perspective, on those records, those early records, and like to you guys just peak and just, you know, coast at 35,000 feet, so to speak. But it's funny you mentioned about the touring scene because I live in Malaga, i grew up in Southern California but I live in Malaga, spain and I We had a record come out last year and we're getting ready to do a second record And it's in the city center. They don't want anything original, they want stones, beatles, you know, maybe a couple Zeppelin tunes thrown in. They don't, they don't want they, they want cover bands, that's all they want. 0:11:39 - Speaker 2Yeah yeah, it's, it's tough, it's, it's a funny time And in a lot of ways I think it's a kind of a dangerous time from a cultural perspective. I mean, i, i'm a Stones fan and I'm a Beatles fan and I'm Zeppelin fan, you know, got it second hand from older brothers and sisters, you know. But but I, honestly, you know, i honestly believe that every generation needs their own stones. They need their. They need, like I grew up on the clash, right, you know, and the jam and and that was I was able to define Myself away from older brothers and sisters because of the tunes that I was like. And then, you know, and I've been Quite honestly, i've been waiting around for the next Nirvana and honest believing in my heart that's somewhere in the world, in some mom and dad's basement, there is the next Nirvana, working it and learning how to do it. I just, i really honestly believe it. I mean, again, i we're very fortunate Over the course of our career, touring, you know, we have Mums and dads that are bringing their kids to the, to our shows, and now those kids are, you know, so great, right, stealing to the hip and stuff, which is awesome. But but I worry, we're For Canada anyway, where that next hip is actually gonna come from. You know, and it's again, i think it's a cultural thing and, and you know, into your point about the Learning how to play the empty rooms, i mean That's what allowed us to. We were back and forth across Canada a number of times before we got the opportunity to Make that left turn and British Columbia and start playing in the United States, and it was literally like starting over. So by that point we were playing like larger clubs and doing really, really well. And then You know, you go down to Seattle and you're back to, you know, 20 to 50 people and and It's actually it's really informed our career. You know, we learned really early on to play to each other, it totally, and and how to play on stage and we always had this mantra we learned to play The hockey rinks like they were clubs and we learned to play the clubs like they were hockey rinks. You know, and Cool, cool. 0:14:08 - Speaker 4I love it. 0:14:08 - Speaker 2And we were really. We were also really really fortunate that we would go to a region like the Pacific Northwest In the States and, you know, at the club live and you could look out and you could see familiar faces, the folks that were really into it, like maybe it actually bought the records and you can see them in the first couple rows and and It was the same when we started in Canada. So we would change up the set every night. You know, try to throw in as many different tunes and we wouldn't open with the same tune, we wouldn't close with the same tune and to make it look like we were Not even look like we were trying, we were really trying to entertain these folks. You know, and you guys are all music fans and there's nothing worse than you know, you catch an act and you catch the, the acclater and the tour and it's like Hello Cleveland on the teleprompter. You know yes, agreed, agreed 100% and it's kind of like If you avoid phoning it in, consciously avoid phoning it in, then you're not phoning it in and You're not thinking about your laundry or the fight you just had with your partner. While you're out on the road You're actually engaged with your fellow musicians and particularly with the crowd. And, yeah, it's important to me as a music fan, you know, i just think it's really when there's still groups out there, you know, at the rink level, that do that, you know. 0:15:29 - Speaker 4Yeah, yeah, to comment quickly about your, your wish for the new Nirvana, like I think it's happening in in these sub capsules, like these regional areas. You know, i, i, i hear about bands doing a West Coast tour and doing in small clubs, smallish clubs, but also doing house parties along the way. And When I first heard this one band, i followed when I first heard they were doing, you know, in between, let's say, san Francisco and Eugene, they're doing house parties in Arcada, california, or Eugene, you know, south of Eugene or in Ashland is like. So they're doing house parties, like people are showing up and getting shit-faced and rocking out and in. To me It was kind of brilliant. It was very old-school feeling like you know, i remember stuff like this happening in the 80s, but at the same time I'm like, Well, if that's a way to hustle and get more fans to support you know, your, your venue climb, then that's that's just amazing. So I think it's happening with, you know, some of these kind of post-punk, kind of yeah, yeah, art rock bands. You know it's, it's happening, but it's it's so, it's so capsule-based, yeah. 0:16:45 - Speaker 2Yeah. 0:16:46 - Speaker 4So to break out of that, it's pretty tough. 0:16:48 - Speaker 2Yeah, i mean that that's my understanding of it as well that the first show I've got is part of a festival in our hometown called Spring Reverb and we again, it's a very, very local promoter who who's, you know? God bless them there. They're all in on live performance and they're they're they're like the Don Quixote's of music in this particular region And they'll do whatever it takes and there's tons of groups on the bill That I haven't heard before. It's and it's an exciting, you know, and it's a. It's a really, really good thing. But I think for your average music consumer, my age, it's like No one's trying to Pitch new music to me in any way. You know which is a real kind of drag. I, i have the dough to buy the records, but I don't know which ones to buy. You know, and it's I Still it's a. It's a bit of a problem. 0:17:47 - Speaker 4I'd love to send you a list. I'm bugging these two guys all the time. Hey, you gotta. You know. I told these guys all the time Hey, please, listen to this. There's one band in particular. I told them three times listen to it. Just make me a playlist. Maybe I'll listen to it later. 0:18:02 - Speaker 2And it's cool. It's never been easier to produce a record, like again when I started. Recording was expensive and you had to have a deal to do it and Someone had to invest the money in it, which, again, was maybe part of the advantage that we had that we did have some resources behind us with our first, even with our first DP, private resources and but you know that that patronage system is, i mean, kind of goes back to the Mozart days where you know folks that had the resources were able to Have house concerts, just happened to be in Palaces, right, right, but right, it's a good thing. I mean. I think you know the kids will find a way. It's just, it's just how, how to take it to the next level. I mean we, when we first started touring the States You know it was still regional radio was a real big deal. It was just before Ronald Reagan and the clear channel days kind of ruined it so many ways where you And it's a real shame as a music fan and as an artist you know you could be stiffen in one market, but then you go to like Austin, texas, for us it's like holy crap, where did all these people come from? And then you find out that a local DJ's got an affection for the band and they're kind of, they're kind of paving the road for you in advance And it was such a great. It was a great time. It was a great time for music. 0:19:48 - Speaker 3It's about what's played to you, gord, because I mean I just want to you talk. You mentioned the Clear Channel thing, but it's about what you're exposed to. Like you said, the DJ, that it's got a, that's got a. You know, it's got an affinity for your band. I know, joke. I'm in California right now because I'm visiting family out here And I saw two of my best friends. One flew out from Texas, the other one lives out and he's got to play some Mexico but he works the train. And so we all met up and on separate occasions I told him about this podcast and we listened to, to some hip tunes and they're like who the fuck are these guys? And and like immediate fans. Strangely enough, and because we have the same like taste in music, the three of us we grew up we played in bands the others were five, but never, never were exposed to it. Yeah, Yeah. Never had it. 0:20:44 - Speaker 2Yeah, we would get that a lot over the course of our career. You know, we've always benefited from really passionate fans that that they would, they would get it, and just the old fashioned word of mouth thing, you know, we would come back through town like 18 months later and they, they would have brought all their friends and maybe got turned into some more corded music, but then they would see the band play live and it would all make sense Like live music is supposed to. It's just like, oh, i didn't even think of that song on the record, but when they play it it's like, ah, you know, that's my new favorite song. And then it grew just really, really organically. You know, we, we never really had the benefit in the United States of a single that was big enough to open up like a national type of market, but we, we, we maintained this ability to tour around this, the circumference of the country, you know, and, um, yeah, and you know, wherever they had a professional hockey team, we would do pretty good, you know, right? 0:21:56 - Speaker 4So And I will say, though, i read, i read, i read you know something about you guys playing the, the Fillmore in the nineties in San Francisco, and there was some comment. It was like, yeah, they always do, they always have a big crowd here because every Canadian in California comes to the show, you know. so it's, it's hard to, it was hard to get tickets because all the Canadians would show up. So, you know, i love, i love the story of how everything happened organically and you guys kind of started from playing small clubs and what have you, and cover songs and how it. that rise is just totally remarkable And it's, you know, it's obviously worthy of of sharing, which we're we're doing now. I I gotta fast forward and ask about this. this uh, air stream, though, and you guys recording and you tell us about that. So cool. We have our own fantasy in our minds right now. Well, it was really it was a. 0:22:54 - Speaker 2Again, it's a kind of a a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a. It's a COVID based reality that that I faced, sure, the group myself, we, we own a recording studio in in Bath, ontario. It's a residential studio. So, um, COVID, it was really super busy because you know, artists, musicians, could, you could test up and and you'd live there. You didn't have to go anywhere and and as long as our, our engineer, um, you know, was safe. It was, so I I couldn't get into it, you know, like I just couldn't. It was booked out and and, um, i had, uh, you know, i'd I'd put out a record called taxi dancers previously And it's one of those things like I had tunes left over from writing with the hip and stuff. She got years and years to do that and then. But COVID was great for me as a, as a songwriter. I was locked down in my home with my family and um, and I was writing and using the guitar and and and writing lyrics as my means of journalism journaling really And I wrote this record fairly quickly. My buddy James, who played with me a bunch, i produced a bunch of records for his band, uh, peterborough, called the Spades, and so we've just always had a really close relationship, And he is an engineer and producer in Peterborough, um, and had this great idea this summer, before COVID, and he bought up an Airstream trailer And he rigged it up so that he was able to strip down his gear from his studio space and transplant everything into the airstream and go completely mobile So he could record live shows and, you know, any sort of situational stuff which I thought was a genius idea. And then COVID hit and it kind of you know, it kind of went on the back burner and then we got talking and said, you know I got enough tunes for a record And you know he played with me on the first one and engineered, so we want to try to do it again. And so he literally recorded it in my house. We parked the airstream in the driveway and ran a snake underneath my garage door and plugged in And it was kind of great. I hoofed my family out and it was just. It was just James and Jeff Housechuck and I are a drummer And we kind of stripped things down. We learned all the songs as a three piece, you know, with me playing the bass and then and then tracked kind of pretty much live And Jeff and I would play together and put the bed tracks down to like a scratch guitar, scratch, vocal and kind of did it like that. It was really kind of wicked and and not only in office is recording is, you know. We learned the songs and we kind of had all the beds done in like three, four days. It was just bang bang bang, kind of like that It was. It was a lot of fun, like kind of old school recording. You know We trying to almost emulate it doing its 16 track. You know, really minimal overdubs and just to get that sound. You know we spent the majority of our time miking up the drum kit, you know, so that we could. You know the Jeff Housechuck the drummer is just a fantastic player, jazz guy, and he decided to slum it with us rock and rollers And he brought that, that complexity and the touch where you could actually hear the notes on the drums. 0:26:48 - Speaker 4Yeah, yeah. 0:26:49 - Speaker 2I could hear it. That's great. We actually ran into him. Ironically, james and I were supporting the group classic Canadian story. but our very first show of the tour that we were doing supporting the troops got snowed out. We got to the bottom of George and Bay and the road was closed. It was drifted in. and so we drove back down to Toronto and went to this great club called the Rex Jazz Club And and Jeff was playing with this organ trio you know like real kind of like just fantastic player and had a couple beers with him after and said, hey, do you want to want to do this If I ever make another record? he said yeah, tommy, and the rest is kind of his. Yeah, it's wicked, yeah actually the phone. 0:27:34 - Speaker 3Yeah, Yeah, No, like, for example, the song over and over. I think it is Yeah. Yeah you can tell. I mean you can tell throughout the record, but like that one in particular. Like, however, because once you lay down your initial, you know your drums and bass, your guitar, your bones you start playing with arrangements. And that I was wondering, like thinking about your process, you know how you go about recording and once you get stuff down, but the way you explain the Airstream that had to have promoted like some level of like creativity, like where you see something you're like let's do this, let's try this, because you're not sitting in a traditional studio, yeah, you know, with four walls, yeah, and a window and like do you know what I'm saying? Does that? Yeah? 0:28:29 - Speaker 2no, 100% That's. That's exactly what we were able to do, you know, within the confines of the house, like I have a small home studio, i have an open house, so I got curtains everywhere to kind of allow, you know, for not only privacy but to kind of the dead and the sound and stuff. We had to be creative with what we were doing and trying to figure out where we're going to put drums and what we're going to do with bass. And it was literally because of the way Jeff played And my natural affinity for records that were done in the 70s that we wanted to, instead of getting the big, boomy Bob Rock kind of like we're going to play in the cabin, smash, smash, smash drum kit, we wanted to, like Jeff plays with jazz sticks, that's, you know it's with. Well, let's put them in this curtained off room where everything's totally dead and and do the do the Jeff Emmerich, you know and kind of play and play and play and move the mic and move the stand until we got the kit sounding perfectly. And then in the meantime, you know, we're rehearsing And James is playing with us, and then we, you know, we get tempos down and stuff and, and you know, do a scratch acoustic guitar and vocal. So we know the arrangement And then Jeff or James would go out into the air stream and we counted off and Jeff and I would play together, you know. And the bass amp is elsewhere in the house So there's no chance of it bleeding in, but we didn't have walls or rooms or anything like that. And again, it was the same process. Most of the bass is not DI, it's, it's. I've got an old, you know, portaflex B15 from 1965, the James Jamerson right And it was kind of like you stick the right mic in front of it And it sounds like, it sounds like Motown, you know, and and that's that's kind of the way we get it And obviously I knew the tunes real well And Jeff is just such a good enough player. That was like, oh, you know, you kind of get it in one or two takes and go out and listen to it. And then again is a cool thing that we go to the driveway, to the air stream, which was really our control room, and you listen to it all stripped away or it's just bass and drums And it's kind of like, oh, it's got even without a lyric and without a guitar or even a music Or even a melody. It's like, oh, this sounds pretty wicked. It's kind of the inverse of being a songwriter where I've always believed if you can sing a song around a campfire, and it can, and it can exist on that level and subsist on that level. And it's like, oh, okay, this is a decent song. And we kind of combined those two ethos and to make this record And it was again, it was just because of the circumstances of making it that you know, we all had to be tested up And we, you know, it was just the three of us and we were also living together and eating together and drinking beer together and playing pool pool table in one part of my house And it was great. It's like it's the band camp, you know it's the hardest way to kill time 0:31:49 - Speaker 1you know, sure, gord, i have a question from somebody on Twitter. We let them know that we were meeting with you And he said it's Craig Rogers from Twitter. And he said, curious if he curious of Gord finds himself writing on guitar or bass more often, or a mixture both with this album and when he wrote for the hip. His bass playing is very melodic, so does he have a chord progression in mind first and then works out a baseline, or does the bass melody come first? 0:32:17 - Speaker 2I primarily write on on guitar, for sure, you know, certainly with the hit, even the songs I would bring to the hip, i would have written riffs and started out on acoustic guitar, not all the time Like they were. on occasion I would try to do something on bass. Bass is kind of tough to sit around on your own. Keep yourself entertained. You know you can play along and stuff. But certainly like my main contributions writing with the hip because we had developed that cooperative songwriting style where you know no one in the group would bring a finished idea to the band. You know we would basically throw out a riff, be it a guitar riff, in some cases a bass riff, and we would start playing together And Gord would start putting a melody on top and a lyric on top And it was great that way. As the bass player you'd like oh here are all these holes all like add melody in here. Or in a lot of cases it was from the middle of songs while you were jamming or sound checks. You know we were always playing And but yeah, it was great fun. I miss making music with those guys big time because it was as a songwriter. It's different now, like you, never when you're, when I was in the hip, you never had to finish an idea And even if you had writers, if you were stuck with something, we would get together frequently And someone always had something new and fresh And that would, you know, cause a light bulb to come on And it would suggest a change that maybe the guy that brought the briefing hadn't thought of it Meanwhile, gord just being Gord, he would be riffing on top and his melody would suggest a change that he would make. And it was great. I loved being in that band And I miss it because it's like you know, like, yeah, you start, i still start the same way, i start with the riff, but man, it takes a lot longer, you know, to come up with complimentary parts and the lyrics and stuff. And again, i credit Gord. I really, you know, i tried to bring some heft to the lyrics that I was writing for this project and my previous one as well, cause he's, you know, he set a pretty high bar as a songwriter you know and can't really you can't really put out a solo record I've said this a few times, but it's absolutely true Like you can't write. Yummy, yummy, yummy. I've got love in my tummy, you know, and feel good about yourself with some of the lyrics that Gord has, Yeah. So yeah, the writing's a, it's a. It's a, it's a fun, it's a fun process. I'm not a sit down and write every day kind of guy. I don't do the Stephen King and lock myself in my studio for 2,500 words a day. You know, I kind of sit around and watch hockey playoffs or baseball playoffs and with the guitar in my lap and noodling all the while, and then you're like, oh, and The cascade begins from there. You know, kind of not really paying attention to either, and It's amazing if you're receptive to the idea, It'll come from somewhere. It's, it's great fun, It's great fun. 0:35:47 - Speaker 1Gordon, i'm so thrilled that you laid down in 2020, you laid down get back again. Yeah, so it was. So we have a like a proper studio version of that song, because I gotta tell you, that was one of the hip songs that I came to early on and in my young hip career, and I was like whoa, this is something that's not on the record. It's like this is like a bootleg, or this is so cool And I gotta I gotta wonder, though, how did it never end up on a record like that? It's such a phenomenal song. 0:36:17 - Speaker 2It's, it's a funny one. I mean that it was That's. It's an old song. I mean that was back from the day when we were we were kind of clubbing it, he just kind of in southeastern Ontario and and we were all learning how to write and we were Writing a little bit together. You know Gord Downey and I would and Paul were living together at a student house But yeah, and it it was kind of a mainstay when we would play live and it was in the running, you know for for up to here for sure as a song. But interestingly enough we We recorded a demo version of it. That was just dynamite. Like You know, the performance across the board is great, particularly by Gord, like he just sang the song beautifully. And it was one of those circumstances where the The, the guy that was helping us the demo, said, oh, that was really really great, one more time just like that and we'll run tape. And we're like, oh, what do you mean? you weren't running tape? and oh, tried it again and collectively we were so disappointed. You know that I don't know we never, we never seemed to Capture that vibe that we had on this unrecorded Demo. You know this is again, we were really young, we were still learning how to play in the studio where it sounded like us and Again it sounds old-fashioned and everything, but it was back in the day We recorded live like we would, you know, put the bass somewhere and you know, drums are in a booth and gorge in a booth And we were learning how to do it, but still get that feeling like with headphones on that, we know, you know It sounds like awesome. We're listening to each other Again and then, yeah, it just never. It just never made the cut. After that, i guess I mean there is a version of it somewhere, at least I thought we had reported it for up to here There is some kind of version of it somewhere. We're finding it Odd with. We've always been signed to Universal in various shapes or forms. We were signed to MCA back in the day. But the tracking down on old tapes, a little demo stuff And studio stuff, is proving very, very challenging from an archival point of view. Like stuff is You'd think it'd be, you know, t, hip or Or it would be alphabetized or the Dewey decimal system or something, but it seems pretty random and stuff is in different storage area Areas and our drummer John has just been. He's just been like a dog on a bone tracking down Material and just relentless trying to find stuff. We kind of process kind of started for us with Road apples and but we were still. We were only able to manage to find Two-thirds of the tapes. You'd think they'd all be somewhere together. You know, when we heard about that fire on the universal lot we hit the panic button like right. You know, wow is our? do you think some our stuff is in there? and then read the list in the paper and there was our name. You know, in between Mel Torme and the down Trop family singers, you know it's like oh crap, i hope we do, because that, that, because, to your point, that's exactly the kind of stuff that we were looking for. Turns out there were dupes and some of its backup in Canada. Definitely Yeah, it's a. 0:40:11 - Speaker 3I just I'd be remiss if I didn't ask a gear question What, what, what, what, what? what type of guitar do you do you like to sit in? Because when you're sitting watching a ball game and you're just noodling or you're just whatever like what's your go-to? 0:40:26 - Speaker 2I, honestly, i've got a. I've got a few favorites, in fact, like there's a song on this, this latest record called change your mind, i I bought a. I bought an old Martin D18, saw it. I bought it sight unseen because it's just always wandered one and down. I Picked it up and Literally pulled it out of the case and it became my main guitar for about a week and that was that that. I Written that song on it within Got probably a day or two, you know it. Just it felt right, sounded right. 0:41:08 - Speaker 1What's that? there's sort of like a dreamy stony sound on that song. 0:41:11 - Speaker 2Yeah, and I would credit the guitar. You know, i guess I I Have a lot of, i've got a lot of instruments laying around the house and I will, you know, i will, i'll trick myself and I'll keep one guitar With a capo on the second fret, you know, and thereby changing the key of the song. But you just, in certain cases, different chord shapes and different you know, composite chords, like you know, a D over G or whatever to sound different in a different key or it'll trigger something melodically and then that will Send it in a different direction. So I I kind of rotate them in and out. You know I I Got an old the first kind of cool guitar about was an old J 160, you know mid 50s old beaver of a guitar, and it's always out on a stand somewhere and I'll Pick it up and I'm playing. Right now I'm going out and playing this old, the ES 125, like a, like a hollow-bodied arched top, electric and And it's been laying around and it's just, you know It sounds kind of got a little more sound to it. Yeah, i just kind of believe in the magic of it. You know that it's just like oh, this, you know it's rules right and sounds right in the. The tones of these older instruments, to my ear anyway, are so nuanced that that each one has a different character and Suggests different things, you know, and some chords sound better on them than others. And yeah, it's so, so it's cool. I like I say, i trick myself and I mix it up. 0:42:50 - Speaker 3That's the per. That's the perfect answer. Had you said this is the guitar, that's trick Bs and me bulls it me right on that school Yeah my question was more what kind of beer we were you drinking where you were recording and the Not as young as I used to be, so I. 0:43:13 - Speaker 2There's always a case of the in this kicking around here, for sure, but I'm more of a light beer guy now. Unfortunately, i just I can't afford to Drink the loaf of bread like I used to when I was a young man. Live to tell it. 0:43:29 - Speaker 4I'm right there with you. Yeah, i'm right there with you, gord. 0:43:33 - Speaker 2Yeah, I'm pretty much a logger and a Guinness guy. 0:43:36 - Speaker 4Yeah, sorry. 0:43:49 - Speaker 1Well, I'd love to talk more about the. I'd love to talk more about the. The record sure. You gotta ask the video to man and we haven't touched. We haven't even touched on the video. 0:43:59 - Speaker 2Yeah, I'm glad you like it. I, i yeah, that's a friend of my, my youngest son's It's aspiring filmmaker and videographer and, obviously, videos on what there used to be. I'm like I'm a survivor of the MTV era where You just saw your recoupable account go up and up and up with your record company because you'd spend more money making videos And you would make the record. But it's. But he's a creative young guy having feral is his name and I I Was reading the newspaper And there was an article I can't think this one Facebook change just named in Metta, and Mr Zuckerberg had proclaimed that the future of the world, the future of reality, is going to be virtual reality. And They ran a little clip of the journalists were testing it out with the, with those goggles or that, whatever that is. I said, wow, this is the future of reality. The graphics are kind of shitty, you know, and and And I bounced it off heaven and I want to make this video about these tech guys that are kind of changing the way we interact with each other and getting rich in the process. And could we make a virtual reality kind of video for this song about kind of love in the VR world? and and man he ran with it. He was like I know exactly what you're talking about. 0:45:34 - Speaker 3And it's clear who everybody is. It's very clear who everybody is. 0:45:37 - Speaker 2He ran into a little problem with the record. Here it was, it was clear, still in the legal department And hit the panic button real quick. But we just, i think. 0:45:52 - Speaker 4You know, it's a good thing when that happens And it was fun. 0:45:55 - Speaker 2The song I think Google Guy has a bit of a sense of humor to it And yeah, i got when all that stuff was going on, when they were talking about how their algorithm there were purports to bring people together was actually the algorithm itself was based on making people butt heads, because there was more engagement when the conversation was contentious, as opposed to fluffy, puffy stuff. And that young woman, francis Hogan, really kind of went official with it. She kind of blew the whistle on these, these guys, and I thought right away to myself like oh, what would what would Joe Strummer do with a concept like this? You know, like you wouldn't know all have very much and try to call the guy out. And it was actually the last song I wrote for the record And it came real, real quick because I kind of got my dander up just a little bit. I'm not a social media guy. I understand how people do it. It's a great way to stay in touch with friends all over the world and stuff, and I get it. But God, imagine if you're Instagramming or Facebooking with your pals. But there was a artificial intelligence kind of trying to get you guys to fight about something you may have said to each other in high school and dragging that your relationship through them. 0:47:21 - Speaker 3I'm sure it's already there. 0:47:22 - Speaker 2Exactly, you know. I mean, i'm in a. I was in a band with my high school friends and, oh my God, we fought about crap that was 35 years old. You know, sometimes it was kind of anyway, yeah, so I yeah anyway, i glad you liked the video. It was fun to do. I'm going to do a follow up. He's one of them for call Yeah, but I don't know, i haven't seen it, yet I'm dying. He's okay. I'll be anxious to check that out. 0:47:56 - Speaker 4I enjoyed the video and the song and the song. Honestly it brought me. There's this kind of 80s feel to it, like it's it's interesting kind of the juxtaposition of I don't know had money for nothing Yeah yeah, and then what? Yeah, I'm not, i'm not sure, yeah it's. Yeah, it's reminded me of I don't know a couple of things, but anyways, the the video is great, and it was just I love the personification of the characters, and it's just. I just really related it. I was, i was in, i was in Italy recently. We were staying with family and I'm kind of a handy guy, so I was helping them do some stuff and I said, well, can you work and we get this? you know, we needed something in particular. My aunt there says, well, we could just order it on Amazon, and sure enough it was there the next day. And I'm like I mean Italy and Jeff, jeff, still knocking on the front door delivering, yeah yeah, it's not so I conveniently unbelievable. 0:48:57 - Speaker 2I totally understood. And obviously the pandemic Unbelievable fall for those companies because all the stores are closed, you know, but Massive. You know I'm from a small, small ish city. You know we got 150,000, 200,000 people here. You know, if the if you don't support your local hardware store owner, who may very well be your neighbor down the street, you know it's, it's kind of like the kind of the 100 mile Right Diet approach to living. You know where you live in a community and if you got a couple Extra bucks for things like I get it like people go to the big box stores to buy 10,000 rolls of toilet paper and junk like that. But but you know I go to the local record store and my local stereo shop and my local guitar store and we shop at a small little market And it's important, you know it's. It's important if, if the pandemic taught us anything, it was to kind of value community Because we would support each other more. And meanwhile, that's what I love to do. Devon's portrayal of the of. They call themselves founders. I understand the founders in the orbiting space station above, above the world, that slowly falling apart. And frankly, that's what I try to articulate in the, in the lyric of the songs, that we all know the reason, and the reason is really us. It's up to us, you know, to build community and to support community And and everyone wants to save a buck. I understand that stuff, but at what cost, you know. And what cost? Yeah, in many cases, like mm. Hmm, there's a lot of each cylinder vans all over North America as we speak, idling in people's driveways dropping off stuff that they ordered on Amazon last night, you know, and there's a cost to that, ever, you know. And that's what I was trying to articulate anyway, yeah, yeah. 0:51:21 - Speaker 4What I notice nowadays on, i mean, i'm in Portland, we're in the city, you know, downtown Portland is about three miles away, and what I notice is, when we don't have any deliveries, like, i'll just stop, i'm mostly home. I'll stop in the house and think, boy, it's actually been quiet today. You know it's. You have to wait for the white, the white noise to go away in order to I have a Kingston question for you. 0:51:45 - Speaker 1These gentlemen we are recording, we're doing a live finale for this podcast in Toronto on September 1st. So Pete is coming from Spain and Tim is coming from Portland and we're doing it at the rec room in Toronto. We're doing like a live podcast. There's going to be a standup comedian, There's going to be a hip tribute band, et cetera. But as part of their coming to Toronto, I've booked us a day in Kingston and I booked an Airbnb just yesterday. What are some? what are some hip, hip must see spots, Some you mentioned a record store earlier, a guitar store. What are some cool spots that we should go when we're? Yeah, I got to hit the store. 0:52:29 - Speaker 2You know what there's there's. so there's so many of it like this. First off, about Kingston. You know I'm born and bred and raised here. I went to university here and you know, like most young men, like Rob Baker and I, grew up across the street from each other And all through high school together and you know, gordon, Paul and I lived together in university And John was a little bit younger than us behind us, but all went to the same high school Parents, on to each other, and nonetheless, like most young men, we couldn't wait to shape the dust off this one horse town off our boots. You know, move on, or big city, and as it turned out, you know, our career took this home, over Europe and North America and traveling all the time And we kept coming back home And because it was home, you kind of learn to fall in love with where you're from By leaving it, you know, and you kind of realize, oh, there's no better place to come back to. And it still is a really, it's a really special place. Even even with the, the dearth of of live music venues and various cities and stuff, we still have five, six places in town that run live entertainment nightly. You know, and I think that's a big reason Kingston is as it is is produce so many great recording artists, you know Sarah Harmer, headstones and the Glorious Suns, and because they all came up the way I came up, you know, you kind of start playing in downtown Kingston and you play the bigger bar and the bigger bar after that. So there's, there's some great live music venues. The place I'm playing in town is called the, called the the Brune factory, which is kind of a multi multimedia approach to live. It's a film place, it's comedy, it's an office building for the local promoter during the day And it's, it's great. It's very DIY in town, you know it's. Also Kingston is an interesting place because it's a university town, a very large, very good university here. So we kind of punch above our weight for for restaurants and actually activities to do. We have a local symphony orchestra to symphony halls. You know it's just there's, it's a, it's a really special place And it's also it's right at the confluence of Lake Ontario and the St Lawrence River. So it's where the Great Lakes kind of funnel all down and the area just east of us is the start of the Thousand Islands, which is again it's we kind of take it for granted. But you guys coming from out of town, you know it's worth jumping on a, on a boat, and you've never seen anything like it. It's, it's just absolutely spectacular, you know, and it's, yeah, it's just really, really cool. There's so many great rooms. You know, the club that we played our first gig was called the the toucan, but it still exists, you know, and it's still still there. It's not a great place to see music or play music, but it's still running live. It's pretty wicked. There's another place called the mansion. That that they're again. They're fighting the good fight. They're trying to bring acts in all the time and get people a place to play. You know, and it's in, it's kind of great. It's kind of a great place to be. I feel very comfortable here. You guys are like it. 0:56:15 - Speaker 3If people, if they have places to play there and there's places that they make available, i mean there's. there's no doubt that's why the city thrives. 0:56:25 - Speaker 2I really think so as well, because people, obviously they people get used to live music being a viable option. You know, that was something that we experienced as young musicians First time we went to Europe. You know, it was again like starting over. But we got to the Netherlands And it was like that was. It was the case of like, where are all these people come from? how do they? but it's because the the nature of the culture and it was back in the CD days, when they were Ridiculously expensive, you know. So you'd have to pony up whatever 30, 40 Gelder's they were called back then so people would literally would go see a band play live before they would pull me up for the record, which was perfect for a group like us, because you know they huh, there are all these Magnificently tall people standing there and all speaking English, hang them boards, every word, yeah, it was great. It's all like. That's all about the amazing thing. I am such a such a believer. It's just so important. 0:57:36 - Speaker 1I I totally feel the song sometimes. Yeah, did you write that? like thinking, live in mind, like, like that feels like a live song. 0:57:46 - Speaker 2Yeah, i Did it's, it's, It's for sure, it's. There's an anger to it for sure, and it's it's not the easiest thing when you're sitting by yourself in a pandemic to To write an uptempo song. But like I, like I was seeing earlier, i was using that experience, i would close the sliding doors of our family room and, and, like everybody, there were moments during when I was locked down or where I was Wasn't quite myself. You know I was feeling. You know, being locked down in the middle of the winter in Canada is You get some dark days for sure, not only Physically dark days, but but the mood kind of translates on you and that's that's really what that song's about. And and I Attempted to turn that frown upside down and kind of went back to the old punk rock me, and It's basically like a confessional more than anything, because it was true, sometimes I felt like I was losing my mind, you know, and and sometimes you know, weed, weeds legal up here and and and so maybe sometimes I'm they've, you know, smoked a bomber a little too early in the day, you know, or maybe a little Bailey's in my morning coffee just to take the edge off. Even quite confessional about that as well. Much sugar in, yeah. 0:59:23 - Speaker 3That's really cool of you sharing my songs with us Share. 0:59:28 - Speaker 1I mean, for me it's been. It's been 38 years of you sharing songs with me, so I really appreciate that and Love that you made time for us today, well. 0:59:39 - Speaker 2I appreciate that. I appreciate that I'm a music fan as well and I and I I Made music with guys I know really well, guys I love, you know, and and We always took it really, really seriously and we always never took whatever success we may have achieved, we never took that for granted, you know, and we knew it was because of the people that liked our music and that supported the group and we, you know, with the past, you know Gordon Lightfoot. It was also such a huge believer in live performance and the love and respect for his audience. you know We came up, you know, very much the same way, just like getting our getting in front of people and, you know, and thanking them. You know, and being truly grateful and trying to allow the music to reflect our growth as people and but our commitment to making really good music and you know I'm I Love it I'm still trying to do it on my own. You know, i'd give anything to have gourd still here and be working my, my normal day job, you know. But but In no small way he still is. You know, he wouldn't have wanted any of us to stop playing, you know, and to stop making music and Yeah, and so I'm kind of doing it to honor him, but it's also it's because it's the only thing I know how to do. I kind of They caught into my, it's my, my yearly cycle of like, oh I'm, you should be making a record soon. I think the song start pouring out. Anyway, i'd go on, but I appreciate you guys for doing this and listening as it is intently, as I Listen to music like that's the way I listen to it too, you know I turn it up. 1:01:31 - Speaker 3Yeah, pleasure's our pleasure We've. 1:01:34 - Speaker 4we've got great time, so thank you so much. 1:01:37 - Speaker 2I'll get a list of places to see in Kingston, and there's some that would be great. It's a pretty, it's a pretty special. It's a pretty special little town. You'll, you'll get the vibe right away. You know, september is a great time of year. Kids are just coming back to school and the and the sailors are still hanging around. It's a touristy town. So there's a. There's a good, it's a good vibe here. It's a nice place to visit. I can't wait. Yeah, i can't wait awesome, awesome. 1:02:02 - Speaker 1Well, thank you so much Thanks for a pleasure, guys. 1:02:06 - Speaker 2I really really appreciate your time. It's fun. 1:02:08 - Speaker 3Yeah, thank you boys. 1:02:10 - Speaker 2Okay, take care, we'll see you real soon. Yeah, thank you. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/fully-and-completely/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In this special episode of the podcast jD, Pete, and Tim sit down with Gord Sinclair for a broad conversation about touring with the Hip, the future of Rock music, and his new record In Continental Divide. Stay tuned for the big announcement following this episode. If you know you know. RateThisPodcast.com/ghtthTranscript0:00:00 - Speaker 1Well, we're really, really thrilled that you could take some time with us today. This is a pretty exciting And this is my pleasure. 0:00:07 - Speaker 2I appreciate it I. 0:00:09 - Speaker 1Don't know if you know what the premise of our podcast is, but I want to give you a. Snip it so you get a. You get an understanding of who these two gentlemen that you're, that you're with, are sure. 0:00:21 - Speaker 3Maybe you should tell them at the end JD, let's get the Way. 0:00:28 - Speaker 1No way, no way, i'm sorry out. So I did a podcast called meeting Malcolm s and it was about pavement and I met these two guys in Europe last year Going to see pavement a bunch of times and we got talking about music And I really love the way they talk about music, the thoughtfulness and the way they understand it and so, naturally me being a very big, tragically hip fan your, your name came up and Them being from Southern California, one by way of Malaga, spain, and one by way of Portland, portland, oregon. Now They hadn't, they hadn't had much experience with you. So I thought, dreamt up this idea of the podcast taking them through your discography, one record at a time, so that The listeners can experience, can experience what it's like to hear your music for the first time. Again, cool. 0:01:27 - Speaker 3It's been. It's been a journey man, it's been really. 0:01:31 - Speaker 2What do you guys up to now like record-wise? is it still work in progress or we have just released up to here. 0:01:39 - Speaker 1So Okay. Here's a fun fact for you. Did you know that if you take your entire catalog and Release them, starting on May 2 4 weekend, and release one a week for the summer, it ends on Labor Day? 0:01:58 - Speaker 2Oh, no, I didn't know that you're your catalog. 0:02:01 - Speaker 1Your catalog is perfect for the summer man. 0:02:03 - Speaker 2Okay, great, well, that's, that is kind of appropriate. For sure We're, you know, sir It. We're unlike Southern California. We kind of lived for the for the three or four months where You can actually sit outside and play guitar with it, your fingers falling off, you know. 0:02:21 - Speaker 4That's, that's definitely me. in Portland, oregon, we had the the soggy a spring I could remember in my 22 years here. 0:02:28 - Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, that's a great town. We we played Portland a bunch, the Aladdin theater, remember that place. 0:02:36 - Speaker 4Yeah, it's an awesome theater. 0:02:37 - Speaker 2Yeah, it's great Yeah. 0:02:39 - Speaker 4Yeah, it was. It was a cool room. It was fun to play that. We'd love to have you back there with your your current gig. So it would be yeah well, it would be great. 0:02:48 - Speaker 2It would be great. Things have changed for the live music business. Unfortunately, Do it for the most true. 0:02:56 - Speaker 1Yeah, so for now, the tour, the tour that you're doing In Toronto and like Southern Ontario, yeah, is that? is that what we're expecting to see for now, or will there be more dates in the future? 0:03:10 - Speaker 2I mean it's still. It's still up in the air. I I'm certainly not averse to doing more dates, but we, you know, yeah, but, but we'll, but we'll wait and see. You know it's it's it's not an easy proposition. Taking the show on the road, i mean the expenses are kind of through the roof from, just in terms of putting the boys up. That's why we're staying pretty close to home. To start, not only on my band leader now, but I'm also a father. My, my youngest son, is Playing bass in the group and he's got a day job, so I got to get him back. It would be irresponsible for for me to have him run away to the circus like I did, you know. But what it needs to be seen, you know it remains to be seen. 0:04:03 - Speaker 1So how is that turn? turning around to your left or right and seeing your son, you know, in your familiar spot? 0:04:08 - Speaker 2It's, it's, it's, it's pretty great, i gotta say it's pretty great. He's a On his own. He is an amazing musician. All my, all my kids can play, but but he, this one's got a particular Ear and talent Guitar and piano or his principal instruments. He's not really a bass player But he can play just about anything. He's just one of these kids that can hear a melody on the radio or on record and sit down the piano and play it back to you. So, on that regard, it's really, really great to see him actually playing the. The flip side of it is as a He's a singer, songwriter in his own right and it's in the process of finishing a record that he did while he was at university, mcgill. And it's tough, you know, it's tough for young kids starting out today to get that, to get that leg up. You know that opportunity to that a group like ours had, you know where we, you know We were able to start playing gigs while we were in school, you know, and and kind of built it up from there very, very, very organically. We got better as we played more and and and as we played more, more people came and Then we got more gigs and it sort of snowballed from there and, like we like most, we started as a cover band And, crazily enough, like back in the 80s when we were playing, they didn't really want original artists in the clubs in Canada. So we would, you know, we would we were playing mostly kind of B sides of old stone songs and pre things and Kinks and stuff like that and then thrown in on, and so when we played at our song we said, oh that's, you know, that's from an old Damn record from from 1967, just absolutely bullshitting our way because there's some clubs that you had to write down your set list, make sure you weren't playing original material, bizarre. So. So now it's yeah, it's just a different scene. I'd love to see him working and playing, making it, taking a go at it. 0:06:18 - Speaker 4Yeah, i kind of feel like this day and age to Make it in a band and get on an actual tour That's further away than your closest region, it's like, it's almost like becoming a professional athlete. Yeah, you know, it's just like your chance. Yeah, getting that notoriety and getting embraced and carried through it, it's, it's just tougher. I have a close, close cousin of mine is in a band here in Portland and They're going at it so hard and you know they're lucky to get, i don't know, the six, six or eight West Coast swing. Yeah, and happy about it, but I tell you the cost for them and all that. Just like you said, it's, it's, it's, it's a tough, that's a tough go. 0:06:58 - Speaker 2Yeah, it's, it's. It's very much the same here. It's like anything, you know it, that You put a group together, you just, you get that, jones, you know, you do it for the love of it, and if you see a little glimpse of light at the end of the tunnel, it's enough to keep you going. Right, the one gig leads to the next, the next, but, but, boy, if you get continued roadblocks thrown up against you, it's a little demoralizing. And certainly up in Canada the live music scene Was in a tough spot even before COVID, and COVID really, just, you know, cut the head off the vampire It was. It was just made it so, so difficult, particularly at the at the early stage gigs, like in most downtown cores They've been. You know, the small rooms where it would be your first gig when you came to Winnipeg, or your first gig when you came to London, ontario, those rooms don't exist anymore. Yeah, you know, in fact I was talking to my agent a little while ago and Again, it's been a while since I've been out to Western Canada But he was saying that there's not really a gig in Vancouver and Calgary, you know, you know, in a 500 seat capacity and that's, and that's tough when you're just coming through town for the first time. I mean it's tough is on a regional level. If you're a young band story or a colonial, let alone From Kingston, ontario, you know, which is a real shame. I mean, the great thing about being from Canada, you know I The biggest obstacle to touring in this country Is actually our greatest assets, the sheer size of the country. You know, once you, once you kind of break out of your region and play in the crap little clubs around your hometown, then you've got eight, ten, twelve hours in some cases driving in between The, the gigs and you learn really early and really really quickly How to play. You know an empty room on a Tuesday night and a shithole on a Wednesday night With the object of getting to a win, a peg, you know, for Friday and Saturday night and maybe selling some tickets. You either You either fall in love with the lifestyle and the guys in your group or the gals in your group is the case. Maybe you're you bust up before you get you out of our problem, yeah, ontario. And so you get a lot of hearty souls that are doing it and then in the meantime, during all the traveling, you just develop this rapport with your bandmates and if you're a composer at all, it's great. You have so much time sitting in the band or sitting hotel room. You, just you're right, shoot the shit and Become what you become. It's true for musicians, it's true for crew people in this country as well. You know, you look at any international group and their crews are populated by Canadians. Because they have that experience, you learn how to travel. You know, get along with people in a confined space of a Band or tour bus, and it's a real asset that we have. The, fortunately, is getting more and more difficult. 0:10:17 - Speaker 3It's a bummer, because I love you guys you guys own your, i mean, and I we know this. I know this because We've pretty much gone through the, the majority of the discography, at least for the hip, and You guys really honed your skills of those Tuesday, wednesday night shittles, yeah, that you're playing To get you know, you can either take those is like Oh man, there's, there's five people here. What do we do? Like let's, let's, let's, let's treat it like a really tight rehearsal. Yeah, you know, whatever, and it it shows, at least from my perspective, on those records, those early records, and like to you guys just peak and just, you know, coast at 35,000 feet, so to speak. But it's funny you mentioned about the touring scene because I live in Malaga, i grew up in Southern California but I live in Malaga, spain and I We had a record come out last year and we're getting ready to do a second record And it's in the city center. They don't want anything original, they want stones, beatles, you know, maybe a couple Zeppelin tunes thrown in. They don't, they don't want they, they want cover bands, that's all they want. 0:11:39 - Speaker 2Yeah yeah, it's, it's tough, it's, it's a funny time And in a lot of ways I think it's a kind of a dangerous time from a cultural perspective. I mean, i, i'm a Stones fan and I'm a Beatles fan and I'm Zeppelin fan, you know, got it second hand from older brothers and sisters, you know. But but I, honestly, you know, i honestly believe that every generation needs their own stones. They need their. They need, like I grew up on the clash, right, you know, and the jam and and that was I was able to define Myself away from older brothers and sisters because of the tunes that I was like. And then, you know, and I've been Quite honestly, i've been waiting around for the next Nirvana and honest believing in my heart that's somewhere in the world, in some mom and dad's basement, there is the next Nirvana, working it and learning how to do it. I just, i really honestly believe it. I mean, again, i we're very fortunate Over the course of our career, touring, you know, we have Mums and dads that are bringing their kids to the, to our shows, and now those kids are, you know, so great, right, stealing to the hip and stuff, which is awesome. But but I worry, we're For Canada anyway, where that next hip is actually gonna come from. You know, and it's again, i think it's a cultural thing and, and you know, into your point about the Learning how to play the empty rooms, i mean That's what allowed us to. We were back and forth across Canada a number of times before we got the opportunity to Make that left turn and British Columbia and start playing in the United States, and it was literally like starting over. So by that point we were playing like larger clubs and doing really, really well. And then You know, you go down to Seattle and you're back to, you know, 20 to 50 people and and It's actually it's really informed our career. You know, we learned really early on to play to each other, it totally, and and how to play on stage and we always had this mantra we learned to play The hockey rinks like they were clubs and we learned to play the clubs like they were hockey rinks. You know, and Cool, cool. 0:14:08 - Speaker 4I love it. 0:14:08 - Speaker 2And we were really. We were also really really fortunate that we would go to a region like the Pacific Northwest In the States and, you know, at the club live and you could look out and you could see familiar faces, the folks that were really into it, like maybe it actually bought the records and you can see them in the first couple rows and and It was the same when we started in Canada. So we would change up the set every night. You know, try to throw in as many different tunes and we wouldn't open with the same tune, we wouldn't close with the same tune and to make it look like we were Not even look like we were trying, we were really trying to entertain these folks. You know, and you guys are all music fans and there's nothing worse than you know, you catch an act and you catch the, the acclater and the tour and it's like Hello Cleveland on the teleprompter. You know yes, agreed, agreed 100% and it's kind of like If you avoid phoning it in, consciously avoid phoning it in, then you're not phoning it in and You're not thinking about your laundry or the fight you just had with your partner. While you're out on the road You're actually engaged with your fellow musicians and particularly with the crowd. And, yeah, it's important to me as a music fan, you know, i just think it's really when there's still groups out there, you know, at the rink level, that do that, you know. 0:15:29 - Speaker 4Yeah, yeah, to comment quickly about your, your wish for the new Nirvana, like I think it's happening in in these sub capsules, like these regional areas. You know, i, i, i hear about bands doing a West Coast tour and doing in small clubs, smallish clubs, but also doing house parties along the way. And When I first heard this one band, i followed when I first heard they were doing, you know, in between, let's say, san Francisco and Eugene, they're doing house parties in Arcada, california, or Eugene, you know, south of Eugene or in Ashland is like. So they're doing house parties, like people are showing up and getting shit-faced and rocking out and in. To me It was kind of brilliant. It was very old-school feeling like you know, i remember stuff like this happening in the 80s, but at the same time I'm like, Well, if that's a way to hustle and get more fans to support you know, your, your venue climb, then that's that's just amazing. So I think it's happening with, you know, some of these kind of post-punk, kind of yeah, yeah, art rock bands. You know it's, it's happening, but it's it's so, it's so capsule-based, yeah. 0:16:45 - Speaker 2Yeah. 0:16:46 - Speaker 4So to break out of that, it's pretty tough. 0:16:48 - Speaker 2Yeah, i mean that that's my understanding of it as well that the first show I've got is part of a festival in our hometown called Spring Reverb and we again, it's a very, very local promoter who who's, you know? God bless them there. They're all in on live performance and they're they're they're like the Don Quixote's of music in this particular region And they'll do whatever it takes and there's tons of groups on the bill That I haven't heard before. It's and it's an exciting, you know, and it's a. It's a really, really good thing. But I think for your average music consumer, my age, it's like No one's trying to Pitch new music to me in any way. You know which is a real kind of drag. I, i have the dough to buy the records, but I don't know which ones to buy. You know, and it's I Still it's a. It's a bit of a problem. 0:17:47 - Speaker 4I'd love to send you a list. I'm bugging these two guys all the time. Hey, you gotta. You know. I told these guys all the time Hey, please, listen to this. There's one band in particular. I told them three times listen to it. Just make me a playlist. Maybe I'll listen to it later. 0:18:02 - Speaker 2And it's cool. It's never been easier to produce a record, like again when I started. Recording was expensive and you had to have a deal to do it and Someone had to invest the money in it, which, again, was maybe part of the advantage that we had that we did have some resources behind us with our first, even with our first DP, private resources and but you know that that patronage system is, i mean, kind of goes back to the Mozart days where you know folks that had the resources were able to Have house concerts, just happened to be in Palaces, right, right, but right, it's a good thing. I mean. I think you know the kids will find a way. It's just, it's just how, how to take it to the next level. I mean we, when we first started touring the States You know it was still regional radio was a real big deal. It was just before Ronald Reagan and the clear channel days kind of ruined it so many ways where you And it's a real shame as a music fan and as an artist you know you could be stiffen in one market, but then you go to like Austin, texas, for us it's like holy crap, where did all these people come from? And then you find out that a local DJ's got an affection for the band and they're kind of, they're kind of paving the road for you in advance And it was such a great. It was a great time. It was a great time for music. 0:19:48 - Speaker 3It's about what's played to you, gord, because I mean I just want to you talk. You mentioned the Clear Channel thing, but it's about what you're exposed to. Like you said, the DJ, that it's got a, that's got a. You know, it's got an affinity for your band. I know, joke. I'm in California right now because I'm visiting family out here And I saw two of my best friends. One flew out from Texas, the other one lives out and he's got to play some Mexico but he works the train. And so we all met up and on separate occasions I told him about this podcast and we listened to, to some hip tunes and they're like who the fuck are these guys? And and like immediate fans. Strangely enough, and because we have the same like taste in music, the three of us we grew up we played in bands the others were five, but never, never were exposed to it. Yeah, Yeah. Never had it. 0:20:44 - Speaker 2Yeah, we would get that a lot over the course of our career. You know, we've always benefited from really passionate fans that that they would, they would get it, and just the old fashioned word of mouth thing, you know, we would come back through town like 18 months later and they, they would have brought all their friends and maybe got turned into some more corded music, but then they would see the band play live and it would all make sense Like live music is supposed to. It's just like, oh, i didn't even think of that song on the record, but when they play it it's like, ah, you know, that's my new favorite song. And then it grew just really, really organically. You know, we, we never really had the benefit in the United States of a single that was big enough to open up like a national type of market, but we, we, we maintained this ability to tour around this, the circumference of the country, you know, and, um, yeah, and you know, wherever they had a professional hockey team, we would do pretty good, you know, right? 0:21:56 - Speaker 4So And I will say, though, i read, i read, i read you know something about you guys playing the, the Fillmore in the nineties in San Francisco, and there was some comment. It was like, yeah, they always do, they always have a big crowd here because every Canadian in California comes to the show, you know. so it's, it's hard to, it was hard to get tickets because all the Canadians would show up. So, you know, i love, i love the story of how everything happened organically and you guys kind of started from playing small clubs and what have you, and cover songs and how it. that rise is just totally remarkable And it's, you know, it's obviously worthy of of sharing, which we're we're doing now. I I gotta fast forward and ask about this. this uh, air stream, though, and you guys recording and you tell us about that. So cool. We have our own fantasy in our minds right now. Well, it was really it was a. 0:22:54 - Speaker 2Again, it's a kind of a a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a. It's a COVID based reality that that I faced, sure, the group myself, we, we own a recording studio in in Bath, ontario. It's a residential studio. So, um, COVID, it was really super busy because you know, artists, musicians, could, you could test up and and you'd live there. You didn't have to go anywhere and and as long as our, our engineer, um, you know, was safe. It was, so I I couldn't get into it, you know, like I just couldn't. It was booked out and and, um, i had, uh, you know, i'd I'd put out a record called taxi dancers previously And it's one of those things like I had tunes left over from writing with the hip and stuff. She got years and years to do that and then. But COVID was great for me as a, as a songwriter. I was locked down in my home with my family and um, and I was writing and using the guitar and and and writing lyrics as my means of journalism journaling really And I wrote this record fairly quickly. My buddy James, who played with me a bunch, i produced a bunch of records for his band, uh, peterborough, called the Spades, and so we've just always had a really close relationship, And he is an engineer and producer in Peterborough, um, and had this great idea this summer, before COVID, and he bought up an Airstream trailer And he rigged it up so that he was able to strip down his gear from his studio space and transplant everything into the airstream and go completely mobile So he could record live shows and, you know, any sort of situational stuff which I thought was a genius idea. And then COVID hit and it kind of you know, it kind of went on the back burner and then we got talking and said, you know I got enough tunes for a record And you know he played with me on the first one and engineered, so we want to try to do it again. And so he literally recorded it in my house. We parked the airstream in the driveway and ran a snake underneath my garage door and plugged in And it was kind of great. I hoofed my family out and it was just. It was just James and Jeff Housechuck and I are a drummer And we kind of stripped things down. We learned all the songs as a three piece, you know, with me playing the bass and then and then tracked kind of pretty much live And Jeff and I would play together and put the bed tracks down to like a scratch guitar, scratch, vocal and kind of did it like that. It was really kind of wicked and and not only in office is recording is, you know. We learned the songs and we kind of had all the beds done in like three, four days. It was just bang bang bang, kind of like that It was. It was a lot of fun, like kind of old school recording. You know We trying to almost emulate it doing its 16 track. You know, really minimal overdubs and just to get that sound. You know we spent the majority of our time miking up the drum kit, you know, so that we could. You know the Jeff Housechuck the drummer is just a fantastic player, jazz guy, and he decided to slum it with us rock and rollers And he brought that, that complexity and the touch where you could actually hear the notes on the drums. 0:26:48 - Speaker 4Yeah, yeah. 0:26:49 - Speaker 2I could hear it. That's great. We actually ran into him. Ironically, james and I were supporting the group classic Canadian story. but our very first show of the tour that we were doing supporting the troops got snowed out. We got to the bottom of George and Bay and the road was closed. It was drifted in. and so we drove back down to Toronto and went to this great club called the Rex Jazz Club And and Jeff was playing with this organ trio you know like real kind of like just fantastic player and had a couple beers with him after and said, hey, do you want to want to do this If I ever make another record? he said yeah, tommy, and the rest is kind of his. Yeah, it's wicked, yeah actually the phone. 0:27:34 - Speaker 3Yeah, Yeah, No, like, for example, the song over and over. I think it is Yeah. Yeah you can tell. I mean you can tell throughout the record, but like that one in particular. Like, however, because once you lay down your initial, you know your drums and bass, your guitar, your bones you start playing with arrangements. And that I was wondering, like thinking about your process, you know how you go about recording and once you get stuff down, but the way you explain the Airstream that had to have promoted like some level of like creativity, like where you see something you're like let's do this, let's try this, because you're not sitting in a traditional studio, yeah, you know, with four walls, yeah, and a window and like do you know what I'm saying? Does that? Yeah? 0:28:29 - Speaker 2no, 100% That's. That's exactly what we were able to do, you know, within the confines of the house, like I have a small home studio, i have an open house, so I got curtains everywhere to kind of allow, you know, for not only privacy but to kind of the dead and the sound and stuff. We had to be creative with what we were doing and trying to figure out where we're going to put drums and what we're going to do with bass. And it was literally because of the way Jeff played And my natural affinity for records that were done in the 70s that we wanted to, instead of getting the big, boomy Bob Rock kind of like we're going to play in the cabin, smash, smash, smash drum kit, we wanted to, like Jeff plays with jazz sticks, that's, you know it's with. Well, let's put them in this curtained off room where everything's totally dead and and do the do the Jeff Emmerich, you know and kind of play and play and play and move the mic and move the stand until we got the kit sounding perfectly. And then in the meantime, you know, we're rehearsing And James is playing with us, and then we, you know, we get tempos down and stuff and, and you know, do a scratch acoustic guitar and vocal. So we know the arrangement And then Jeff or James would go out into the air stream and we counted off and Jeff and I would play together, you know. And the bass amp is elsewhere in the house So there's no chance of it bleeding in, but we didn't have walls or rooms or anything like that. And again, it was the same process. Most of the bass is not DI, it's, it's. I've got an old, you know, portaflex B15 from 1965, the James Jamerson right And it was kind of like you stick the right mic in front of it And it sounds like, it sounds like Motown, you know, and and that's that's kind of the way we get it And obviously I knew the tunes real well And Jeff is just such a good enough player. That was like, oh, you know, you kind of get it in one or two takes and go out and listen to it. And then again is a cool thing that we go to the driveway, to the air stream, which was really our control room, and you listen to it all stripped away or it's just bass and drums And it's kind of like, oh, it's got even without a lyric and without a guitar or even a music Or even a melody. It's like, oh, this sounds pretty wicked. It's kind of the inverse of being a songwriter where I've always believed if you can sing a song around a campfire, and it can, and it can exist on that level and subsist on that level. And it's like, oh, okay, this is a decent song. And we kind of combined those two ethos and to make this record And it was again, it was just because of the circumstances of making it that you know, we all had to be tested up And we, you know, it was just the three of us and we were also living together and eating together and drinking beer together and playing pool pool table in one part of my house And it was great. It's like it's the band camp, you know it's the hardest way to kill time 0:31:49 - Speaker 1you know, sure, gord, i have a question from somebody on Twitter. We let them know that we were meeting with you And he said it's Craig Rogers from Twitter. And he said, curious if he curious of Gord finds himself writing on guitar or bass more often, or a mixture both with this album and when he wrote for the hip. His bass playing is very melodic, so does he have a chord progression in mind first and then works out a baseline, or does the bass melody come first? 0:32:17 - Speaker 2I primarily write on on guitar, for sure, you know, certainly with the hit, even the songs I would bring to the hip, i would have written riffs and started out on acoustic guitar, not all the time Like they were. on occasion I would try to do something on bass. Bass is kind of tough to sit around on your own. Keep yourself entertained. You know you can play along and stuff. But certainly like my main contributions writing with the hip because we had developed that cooperative songwriting style where you know no one in the group would bring a finished idea to the band. You know we would basically throw out a riff, be it a guitar riff, in some cases a bass riff, and we would start playing together And Gord would start putting a melody on top and a lyric on top And it was great that way. As the bass player you'd like oh here are all these holes all like add melody in here. Or in a lot of cases it was from the middle of songs while you were jamming or sound checks. You know we were always playing And but yeah, it was great fun. I miss making music with those guys big time because it was as a songwriter. It's different now, like you, never when you're, when I was in the hip, you never had to finish an idea And even if you had writers, if you were stuck with something, we would get together frequently And someone always had something new and fresh And that would, you know, cause a light bulb to come on And it would suggest a change that maybe the guy that brought the briefing hadn't thought of it Meanwhile, gord just being Gord, he would be riffing on top and his melody would suggest a change that he would make. And it was great. I loved being in that band And I miss it because it's like you know, like, yeah, you start, i still start the same way, i start with the riff, but man, it takes a lot longer, you know, to come up with complimentary parts and the lyrics and stuff. And again, i credit Gord. I really, you know, i tried to bring some heft to the lyrics that I was writing for this project and my previous one as well, cause he's, you know, he set a pretty high bar as a songwriter you know and can't really you can't really put out a solo record I've said this a few times, but it's absolutely true Like you can't write. Yummy, yummy, yummy. I've got love in my tummy, you know, and feel good about yourself with some of the lyrics that Gord has, Yeah. So yeah, the writing's a, it's a. It's a, it's a fun, it's a fun process. I'm not a sit down and write every day kind of guy. I don't do the Stephen King and lock myself in my studio for 2,500 words a day. You know, I kind of sit around and watch hockey playoffs or baseball playoffs and with the guitar in my lap and noodling all the while, and then you're like, oh, and The cascade begins from there. You know, kind of not really paying attention to either, and It's amazing if you're receptive to the idea, It'll come from somewhere. It's, it's great fun, It's great fun. 0:35:47 - Speaker 1Gordon, i'm so thrilled that you laid down in 2020, you laid down get back again. Yeah, so it was. So we have a like a proper studio version of that song, because I gotta tell you, that was one of the hip songs that I came to early on and in my young hip career, and I was like whoa, this is something that's not on the record. It's like this is like a bootleg, or this is so cool And I gotta I gotta wonder, though, how did it never end up on a record like that? It's such a phenomenal song. 0:36:17 - Speaker 2It's, it's a funny one. I mean that it was That's. It's an old song. I mean that was back from the day when we were we were kind of clubbing it, he just kind of in southeastern Ontario and and we were all learning how to write and we were Writing a little bit together. You know Gord Downey and I would and Paul were living together at a student house But yeah, and it it was kind of a mainstay when we would play live and it was in the running, you know for for up to here for sure as a song. But interestingly enough we We recorded a demo version of it. That was just dynamite. Like You know, the performance across the board is great, particularly by Gord, like he just sang the song beautifully. And it was one of those circumstances where the The, the guy that was helping us the demo, said, oh, that was really really great, one more time just like that and we'll run tape. And we're like, oh, what do you mean? you weren't running tape? and oh, tried it again and collectively we were so disappointed. You know that I don't know we never, we never seemed to Capture that vibe that we had on this unrecorded Demo. You know this is again, we were really young, we were still learning how to play in the studio where it sounded like us and Again it sounds old-fashioned and everything, but it was back in the day We recorded live like we would, you know, put the bass somewhere and you know, drums are in a booth and gorge in a booth And we were learning how to do it, but still get that feeling like with headphones on that, we know, you know It sounds like awesome. We're listening to each other Again and then, yeah, it just never. It just never made the cut. After that, i guess I mean there is a version of it somewhere, at least I thought we had reported it for up to here There is some kind of version of it somewhere. We're finding it Odd with. We've always been signed to Universal in various shapes or forms. We were signed to MCA back in the day. But the tracking down on old tapes, a little demo stuff And studio stuff, is proving very, very challenging from an archival point of view. Like stuff is You'd think it'd be, you know, t, hip or Or it would be alphabetized or the Dewey decimal system or something, but it seems pretty random and stuff is in different storage area Areas and our drummer John has just been. He's just been like a dog on a bone tracking down Material and just relentless trying to find stuff. We kind of process kind of started for us with Road apples and but we were still. We were only able to manage to find Two-thirds of the tapes. You'd think they'd all be somewhere together. You know, when we heard about that fire on the universal lot we hit the panic button like right. You know, wow is our? do you think some our stuff is in there? and then read the list in the paper and there was our name. You know, in between Mel Torme and the down Trop family singers, you know it's like oh crap, i hope we do, because that, that, because, to your point, that's exactly the kind of stuff that we were looking for. Turns out there were dupes and some of its backup in Canada. Definitely Yeah, it's a. 0:40:11 - Speaker 3I just I'd be remiss if I didn't ask a gear question What, what, what, what, what? what type of guitar do you do you like to sit in? Because when you're sitting watching a ball game and you're just noodling or you're just whatever like what's your go-to? 0:40:26 - Speaker 2I, honestly, i've got a. I've got a few favorites, in fact, like there's a song on this, this latest record called change your mind, i I bought a. I bought an old Martin D18, saw it. I bought it sight unseen because it's just always wandered one and down. I Picked it up and Literally pulled it out of the case and it became my main guitar for about a week and that was that that. I Written that song on it within Got probably a day or two, you know it. Just it felt right, sounded right. 0:41:08 - Speaker 1What's that? there's sort of like a dreamy stony sound on that song. 0:41:11 - Speaker 2Yeah, and I would credit the guitar. You know, i guess I I Have a lot of, i've got a lot of instruments laying around the house and I will, you know, i will, i'll trick myself and I'll keep one guitar With a capo on the second fret, you know, and thereby changing the key of the song. But you just, in certain cases, different chord shapes and different you know, composite chords, like you know, a D over G or whatever to sound different in a different key or it'll trigger something melodically and then that will Send it in a different direction. So I I kind of rotate them in and out. You know I I Got an old the first kind of cool guitar about was an old J 160, you know mid 50s old beaver of a guitar, and it's always out on a stand somewhere and I'll Pick it up and I'm playing. Right now I'm going out and playing this old, the ES 125, like a, like a hollow-bodied arched top, electric and And it's been laying around and it's just, you know It sounds kind of got a little more sound to it. Yeah, i just kind of believe in the magic of it. You know that it's just like oh, this, you know it's rules right and sounds right in the. The tones of these older instruments, to my ear anyway, are so nuanced that that each one has a different character and Suggests different things, you know, and some chords sound better on them than others. And yeah, it's so, so it's cool. I like I say, i trick myself and I mix it up. 0:42:50 - Speaker 3That's the per. That's the perfect answer. Had you said this is the guitar, that's trick Bs and me bulls it me right on that school Yeah my question was more what kind of beer we were you drinking where you were recording and the Not as young as I used to be, so I. 0:43:13 - Speaker 2There's always a case of the in this kicking around here, for sure, but I'm more of a light beer guy now. Unfortunately, i just I can't afford to Drink the loaf of bread like I used to when I was a young man. Live to tell it. 0:43:29 - Speaker 4I'm right there with you. Yeah, i'm right there with you, gord. 0:43:33 - Speaker 2Yeah, I'm pretty much a logger and a Guinness guy. 0:43:36 - Speaker 4Yeah, sorry. 0:43:49 - Speaker 1Well, I'd love to talk more about the. I'd love to talk more about the. The record sure. You gotta ask the video to man and we haven't touched. We haven't even touched on the video. 0:43:59 - Speaker 2Yeah, I'm glad you like it. I, i yeah, that's a friend of my, my youngest son's It's aspiring filmmaker and videographer and, obviously, videos on what there used to be. I'm like I'm a survivor of the MTV era where You just saw your recoupable account go up and up and up with your record company because you'd spend more money making videos And you would make the record. But it's. But he's a creative young guy having feral is his name and I I Was reading the newspaper And there was an article I can't think this one Facebook change just named in Metta, and Mr Zuckerberg had proclaimed that the future of the world, the future of reality, is going to be virtual reality. And They ran a little clip of the journalists were testing it out with the, with those goggles or that, whatever that is. I said, wow, this is the future of reality. The graphics are kind of shitty, you know, and and And I bounced it off heaven and I want to make this video about these tech guys that are kind of changing the way we interact with each other and getting rich in the process. And could we make a virtual reality kind of video for this song about kind of love in the VR world? and and man he ran with it. He was like I know exactly what you're talking about. 0:45:34 - Speaker 3And it's clear who everybody is. It's very clear who everybody is. 0:45:37 - Speaker 2He ran into a little problem with the record. Here it was, it was clear, still in the legal department And hit the panic button real quick. But we just, i think. 0:45:52 - Speaker 4You know, it's a good thing when that happens And it was fun. 0:45:55 - Speaker 2The song I think Google Guy has a bit of a sense of humor to it And yeah, i got when all that stuff was going on, when they were talking about how their algorithm there were purports to bring people together was actually the algorithm itself was based on making people butt heads, because there was more engagement when the conversation was contentious, as opposed to fluffy, puffy stuff. And that young woman, francis Hogan, really kind of went official with it. She kind of blew the whistle on these, these guys, and I thought right away to myself like oh, what would what would Joe Strummer do with a concept like this? You know, like you wouldn't know all have very much and try to call the guy out. And it was actually the last song I wrote for the record And it came real, real quick because I kind of got my dander up just a little bit. I'm not a social media guy. I understand how people do it. It's a great way to stay in touch with friends all over the world and stuff, and I get it. But God, imagine if you're Instagramming or Facebooking with your pals. But there was a artificial intelligence kind of trying to get you guys to fight about something you may have said to each other in high school and dragging that your relationship through them. 0:47:21 - Speaker 3I'm sure it's already there. 0:47:22 - Speaker 2Exactly, you know. I mean, i'm in a. I was in a band with my high school friends and, oh my God, we fought about crap that was 35 years old. You know, sometimes it was kind of anyway, yeah, so I yeah anyway, i glad you liked the video. It was fun to do. I'm going to do a follow up. He's one of them for call Yeah, but I don't know, i haven't seen it, yet I'm dying. He's okay. I'll be anxious to check that out. 0:47:56 - Speaker 4I enjoyed the video and the song and the song. Honestly it brought me. There's this kind of 80s feel to it, like it's it's interesting kind of the juxtaposition of I don't know had money for nothing Yeah yeah, and then what? Yeah, I'm not, i'm not sure, yeah it's. Yeah, it's reminded me of I don't know a couple of things, but anyways, the the video is great, and it was just I love the personification of the characters, and it's just. I just really related it. I was, i was in, i was in Italy recently. We were staying with family and I'm kind of a handy guy, so I was helping them do some stuff and I said, well, can you work and we get this? you know, we needed something in particular. My aunt there says, well, we could just order it on Amazon, and sure enough it was there the next day. And I'm like I mean Italy and Jeff, jeff, still knocking on the front door delivering, yeah yeah, it's not so I conveniently unbelievable. 0:48:57 - Speaker 2I totally understood. And obviously the pandemic Unbelievable fall for those companies because all the stores are closed, you know, but Massive. You know I'm from a small, small ish city. You know we got 150,000, 200,000 people here. You know, if the if you don't support your local hardware store owner, who may very well be your neighbor down the street, you know it's, it's kind of like the kind of the 100 mile Right Diet approach to living. You know where you live in a community and if you got a couple Extra bucks for things like I get it like people go to the big box stores to buy 10,000 rolls of toilet paper and junk like that. But but you know I go to the local record store and my local stereo shop and my local guitar store and we shop at a small little market And it's important, you know it's. It's important if, if the pandemic taught us anything, it was to kind of value community Because we would support each other more. And meanwhile, that's what I love to do. Devon's portrayal of the of. They call themselves founders. I understand the founders in the orbiting space station above, above the world, that slowly falling apart. And frankly, that's what I try to articulate in the, in the lyric of the songs, that we all know the reason, and the reason is really us. It's up to us, you know, to build community and to support community And and everyone wants to save a buck. I understand that stuff, but at what cost, you know. And what cost? Yeah, in many cases, like mm. Hmm, there's a lot of each cylinder vans all over North America as we speak, idling in people's driveways dropping off stuff that they ordered on Amazon last night, you know, and there's a cost to that, ever, you know. And that's what I was trying to articulate anyway, yeah, yeah. 0:51:21 - Speaker 4What I notice nowadays on, i mean, i'm in Portland, we're in the city, you know, downtown Portland is about three miles away, and what I notice is, when we don't have any deliveries, like, i'll just stop, i'm mostly home. I'll stop in the house and think, boy, it's actually been quiet today. You know it's. You have to wait for the white, the white noise to go away in order to I have a Kingston question for you. 0:51:45 - Speaker 1These gentlemen we are recording, we're doing a live finale for this podcast in Toronto on September 1st. So Pete is coming from Spain and Tim is coming from Portland and we're doing it at the rec room in Toronto. We're doing like a live podcast. There's going to be a standup comedian, There's going to be a hip tribute band, et cetera. But as part of their coming to Toronto, I've booked us a day in Kingston and I booked an Airbnb just yesterday. What are some? what are some hip, hip must see spots, Some you mentioned a record store earlier, a guitar store. What are some cool spots that we should go when we're? Yeah, I got to hit the store. 0:52:29 - Speaker 2You know what there's there's. so there's so many of it like this. First off, about Kingston. You know I'm born and bred and raised here. I went to university here and you know, like most young men, like Rob Baker and I, grew up across the street from each other And all through high school together and you know, gordon, Paul and I lived together in university And John was a little bit younger than us behind us, but all went to the same high school Parents, on to each other, and nonetheless, like most young men, we couldn't wait to shape the dust off this one horse town off our boots. You know, move on, or big city, and as it turned out, you know, our career took this home, over Europe and North America and traveling all the time And we kept coming back home And because it was home, you kind of learn to fall in love with where you're from By leaving it, you know, and you kind of realize, oh, there's no better place to come back to. And it still is a really, it's a really special place. Even even with the, the dearth of of live music venues and various cities and stuff, we still have five, six places in town that run live entertainment nightly. You know, and I think that's a big reason Kingston is as it is is produce so many great recording artists, you know Sarah Harmer, headstones and the Glorious Suns, and because they all came up the way I came up, you know, you kind of start playing in downtown Kingston and you play the bigger bar and the bigger bar after that. So there's, there's some great live music venues. The place I'm playing in town is called the, called the the Brune factory, which is kind of a multi multimedia approach to live. It's a film place, it's comedy, it's an office building for the local promoter during the day And it's, it's great. It's very DIY in town, you know it's. Also Kingston is an interesting place because it's a university town, a very large, very good university here. So we kind of punch above our weight for for restaurants and actually activities to do. We have a local symphony orchestra to symphony halls. You know it's just there's, it's a, it's a really special place And it's also it's right at the confluence of Lake Ontario and the St Lawrence River. So it's where the Great Lakes kind of funnel all down and the area just east of us is the start of the Thousand Islands, which is again it's we kind of take it for granted. But you guys coming from out of town, you know it's worth jumping on a, on a boat, and you've never seen anything like it. It's, it's just absolutely spectacular, you know, and it's, yeah, it's just really, really cool. There's so many great rooms. You know, the club that we played our first gig was called the the toucan, but it still exists, you know, and it's still still there. It's not a great place to see music or play music, but it's still running live. It's pretty wicked. There's another place called the mansion. That that they're again. They're fighting the good fight. They're trying to bring acts in all the time and get people a place to play. You know, and it's in, it's kind of great. It's kind of a great place to be. I feel very comfortable here. You guys are like it. 0:56:15 - Speaker 3If people, if they have places to play there and there's places that they make available, i mean there's. there's no doubt that's why the city thrives. 0:56:25 - Speaker 2I really think so as well, because people, obviously they people get used to live music being a viable option. You know, that was something that we experienced as young musicians First time we went to Europe. You know, it was again like starting over. But we got to the Netherlands And it was like that was. It was the case of like, where are all these people come from? how do they? but it's because the the nature of the culture and it was back in the CD days, when they were Ridiculously expensive, you know. So you'd have to pony up whatever 30, 40 Gelder's they were called back then so people would literally would go see a band play live before they would pull me up for the record, which was perfect for a group like us, because you know they huh, there are all these Magnificently tall people standing there and all speaking English, hang them boards, every word, yeah, it was great. It's all like. That's all about the amazing thing. I am such a such a believer. It's just so important. 0:57:36 - Speaker 1I I totally feel the song sometimes. Yeah, did you write that? like thinking, live in mind, like, like that feels like a live song. 0:57:46 - Speaker 2Yeah, i Did it's, it's, It's for sure, it's. There's an anger to it for sure, and it's it's not the easiest thing when you're sitting by yourself in a pandemic to To write an uptempo song. But like I, like I was seeing earlier, i was using that experience, i would close the sliding doors of our family room and, and, like everybody, there were moments during when I was locked down or where I was Wasn't quite myself. You know I was feeling. You know, being locked down in the middle of the winter in Canada is You get some dark days for sure, not only Physically dark days, but but the mood kind of translates on you and that's that's really what that song's about. And and I Attempted to turn that frown upside down and kind of went back to the old punk rock me, and It's basically like a confessional more than anything, because it was true, sometimes I felt like I was losing my mind, you know, and and sometimes you know, weed, weeds legal up here and and and so maybe sometimes I'm they've, you know, smoked a bomber a little too early in the day, you know, or maybe a little Bailey's in my morning coffee just to take the edge off. Even quite confessional about that as well. Much sugar in, yeah. 0:59:23 - Speaker 3That's really cool of you sharing my songs with us Share. 0:59:28 - Speaker 1I mean, for me it's been. It's been 38 years of you sharing songs with me, so I really appreciate that and Love that you made time for us today, well. 0:59:39 - Speaker 2I appreciate that. I appreciate that I'm a music fan as well and I and I I Made music with guys I know really well, guys I love, you know, and and We always took it really, really seriously and we always never took whatever success we may have achieved, we never took that for granted, you know, and we knew it was because of the people that liked our music and that supported the group and we, you know, with the past, you know Gordon Lightfoot. It was also such a huge believer in live performance and the love and respect for his audience. you know We came up, you know, very much the same way, just like getting our getting in front of people and, you know, and thanking them. You know, and being truly grateful and trying to allow the music to reflect our growth as people and but our commitment to making really good music and you know I'm I Love it I'm still trying to do it on my own. You know, i'd give anything to have gourd still here and be working my, my normal day job, you know. But but In no small way he still is. You know, he wouldn't have wanted any of us to stop playing, you know, and to stop making music and Yeah, and so I'm kind of doing it to honor him, but it's also it's because it's the only thing I know how to do. I kind of They caught into my, it's my, my yearly cycle of like, oh I'm, you should be making a record soon. I think the song start pouring out. Anyway, i'd go on, but I appreciate you guys for doing this and listening as it is intently, as I Listen to music like that's the way I listen to it too, you know I turn it up. 1:01:31 - Speaker 3Yeah, pleasure's our pleasure We've. 1:01:34 - Speaker 4we've got great time, so thank you so much. 1:01:37 - Speaker 2I'll get a list of places to see in Kingston, and there's some that would be great. It's a pretty, it's a pretty special. It's a pretty special little town. You'll, you'll get the vibe right away. You know, september is a great time of year. Kids are just coming back to school and the and the sailors are still hanging around. It's a touristy town. So there's a. There's a good, it's a good vibe here. It's a nice place to visit. I can't wait. Yeah, i can't wait awesome, awesome. 1:02:02 - Speaker 1Well, thank you so much Thanks for a pleasure, guys. 1:02:06 - Speaker 2I really really appreciate your time. It's fun. 1:02:08 - Speaker 3Yeah, thank you boys. 1:02:10 - Speaker 2Okay, take care, we'll see you real soon. Yeah, thank you. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/gettinghiptothehip/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Django Nudo and Smut Peddler are excited to have new films this week from two of their favourite companies that specialise in the beautiful restorations of lost classics: Denmark's Another World Entertainment and Deaf Crocodile. From A.W.E. we have "Pornography - a Musical" (1971), a series of erotic vignettes with music by amongst others jazz legend Dexter Gordon. (NB: the Bodil scene is NOT included, for obvious reasons.). "Dear Irene" (1971) is an erotic love triangle drama by a director better known for his books on great cinema directors. Lastly there is "The Sweet Life on Mallorca" (1965) about the naughty things that your grandparents got up to when the Danes first embarked on package holidays to the Balearic islands. Separately we also have "Love in Three Dimensions" (1973), which actually does work in 3D, but only if you have those old red-blue glasses in the bottom of some drawer. It is one for Christina Lindberg completionists, as she has a small part in the film.  We then talk to Dennis Bartok and Craig Rogers, the co-founders of legendary boutique restoration, post-production and distribution label Deaf Crocodile. The company has specialised in finding forgotten gems and putting them out in gorgeous new versions on DVD, BluRay and DCP. Recent films include 1980s Romanian animated sci-fi "Delta Space Mission" (1984) and they are currently wrapping Kickstarter campaign for Jiří Barta's stop-motion masterpiece "Pied Piper" (1986). Cultpix is thrilled to present no less than six Deaf Crocodile films this spring, with two now and four later this spring. Dennis and Craig talk about their and the company backgrounds, method of finding and restoring films, as well as their cult following. Don't call "Solomon King" (1974) a 'blaxploitation' film, because the black leads are not pimps or pushers but a super secret agent action hero. The only film by director and entrepreneur Sal Watts it was long-lost, until Deaf Crocodile managed to locate a surviving print.  In "The Unknown Man of Shandigor" (1967) you get Serge Gainsborough headlining an amazing cast in a Swiss spy-action thriller about nuclear secrets and international intrigue. Marvelous and surreal, part-Dr Strangelove, par-Alphaville, with some The Avengers and Dr Who mixed in, this is a gorgeous restoration. Keep an eye out for four additional films from Deaf Crocodile in the next few months. There is a special Deaf Crocodile Spotify playlist with songs from and relating to this week's films. 

I sat down with Dennis and Craig from Deaf Crocodile, a Vinegar Syndrome partner label, to discuss everything from restoration work, programming pristine prints of Bava films, rare Monty Python animation, and especially their Kickstarter for SOLOMON KING.  Craig and Dennis have been working in the industry for YEARS and have so much knowledge to pass along, not to mention countless stories about programming, directing, working in the industry, and much more.  Visit Deaf Crocodile's website here: https://www.deafcrocodile.com/ Support the SOLOMON KING Kickstarter here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deaf-crocodile/restoring-sal-watts-solomon-king Deaf Crocodile on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DeafCrocodile Buy Deaf Crocodile blu rays: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/collections/deaf-crocodile - - Become a patron here: https://www.patreon.com/DiscConnected - Like the page and follow on Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/TheDiscConnected - Join me on Instagram at: https://www.instagram.com/thediscconnected/ - Or on Twitter: https://twitter.com/disc_connected - Email: DiscConnectedMedia@gmail.com -- Merch: https://disc-connected.creator-spring.com/ - Podcast: https://thediscconnected.podbean.com - If you happen to be shopping on Amazon for something and would like to share some of Lord Bezos' profits with my channel at no additional cost to you, please consider shopping through my link: https://amzn.to/39mcX1t - Tip Jar: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=TDEVSPJZ9EFCW or paypal.me/RVinls (friends and family only) or  Amazon wish list: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/20CR2ZN456P1B?ref_=wl_share - Music is by Michael J. LeRose- michaelxcreates@gmail.com. Outro is K(NO)W by Crusoe via a Creative Commons Attribution License and verbal/written permission from the artist. - Links above may be affiliate/promotional links that provide me a tiny commission to support the sight and do not charge the consumer anything extra.

All the way back in Episode 8 we brought you our first interview episode with the legendary restoration artist and technician, Craig Rogers, and the legendary film programmer, author and raconteur, Dennis Bartok, as they were setting off on their joint venture, Deaf Crocodile. Now, 50 episodes later they are back to talk to us again about how massively their label has grown over the past 12 or so months, and share some great stories along the way. www.theylivebyfilm.com Adam's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/TheOwls23/ Zach's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/dharmabombs/ Chris' subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/personalhistoryoffilm/ www.instagram.com/theylivebyfilm/

A storm dumped three to five inches of rain in the Detroit metro area one day in June 2021, and a major flood forced a Michigan urology clinic to close. Urologists with Henry Ford Health System were forced to quickly pivot and take all their patients coming in for clinic appointments and procedures and push them to a downtown Detroit campus. Single-use cystoscopy technology enabled them to do just that. Dr. Craig Rogers explains how in the latest episode of Endoscopy Insights. What happened is a testament to the power of new technology at a time when healthcare systems find themselves challenged on several fronts — clinical, financial, supply chain and logistics, even staffing. Show notes: Case Study: How This Urologist Kept Caring for Patients After His Clinic Flooded Bio: Dr. Craig Rogers Henry Ford Health System U.S. News: States With the Biggest Hospital Staffing Shortages Subscribe to Endoscopy Insights

A panel of physicians including Dr. Brian Lane, Dr. Craig Rogers, Dr. Sam Bhayani, Dr. Alice Semerjian, Dr. Alon Weizer, and Dr. Jeremy Johnson discuss surgical techniques while reviewing partial nephrectomy videos.

Dennis Bartok and Craig Rogers from Deaf Crocodile join us for an insightful discussion about film restoration. Dennis also shares some interesting stories from living in Hollywood ranging from Tony Curtis, James Wong Howe, and the Manson family. They talk about their work on Assault on Precinct 13 and Chameleon street. They even reveal a secret about something they are working on. Finally, they chime in on modern color grading and conclude that, yes, Teal Ray is a thing. Episode Links Classic Film Collective Deaf Crocodile website Deaf Crocodile Facebook Deaf Crocodile Twitter Deaf Crocodile Instagram

Dennis Bartok and Craig Rogers from Deaf Crocodile join us for an insightful discussion about film restoration.

Dennis Bartok and Craig Rogers from Deaf Crocodile join us for an insightful discussion about film restoration.

Craig Rogers (Liverpool, England) started his college career at Cloud County Community College in Kansas before taking the leap into NCAA D1-soccer at Oral Roberts University in Oklahoma. The word “No” is not in Craig's vocabulary and has therefore opened doors most people could not. With an incredible work ethic and determination, he ended up playing professionally in the US, Iceland, Wales, and Norway. We'll talk about his untraditional route into soccer, how he ended up being redshirted for one season, the USL-combine, and of course his incredible nomad career.

In our last domestic league podcast, Adam, Andy and Craig play catch up as they discussed: The Final days action across Europe Champions League and Europa League Final review Managerial changes and speculation across Europe Fifa pushing for World Cup every 2 years The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HopelessPod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheHopelessWandererPodcast Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ Follow us on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJM1a3BnVC946aS0HUeMlrQ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com

oined by Graeme Hanna from Rangers Vital, he joins Adam, Craig and Andy as they discuss the decade of history that moulded Rangers into the team that went on to a run that saw them win their 55th league title. We also covered: The ball stuck in the bushes at Brechin City Mark Warburton achieves promotion but not the legacy The enigma that is Alfredo Morales The path of continued development for Rangers future The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HopelessPod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheHopelessWandererPodcast Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ Follow us on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJM1a3BnVC946aS0HUeMlrQ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com Catch Graeme Hanna on Twitter: https://twitter.com/graeme818

Joined by Ryan Hubbard, Author of ‘From Partition to Solidarity', he joins Adam and Andy as they get their teeth into the big footballing stories which included: Should Leicester be given more respect than they are given? The mess at Spurs, where can they realistically do moving forward? The last games across Europe, where to keep our eyes peeled. Who are the emerging talents coming from Poland? The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HopelessPod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheHopelessWandererPodcast Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ Follow us on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJM1a3BnVC946aS0HUeMlrQ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com Catch Ryan Hubbard on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Ryan_Hubbard

Joined by Gav Mack from Mad Sports network, he joins Adam, Andy and Craig as they get their teeth into the big footballing stories which included: Reserve squad drama, why shouldn't they be used? We discuss Arsenal's season and prospects moving forward. Lille move one step closer to the French title, what happens with Pochettino? Super League update, what's left for the remaining three clubs? The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HopelessPod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheHopelessWandererPodcast Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ Follow us on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJM1a3BnVC946aS0HUeMlrQ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com Catch Gav Mack on Twitter: https://twitter.com/GavMack23 Follow Mad Sports Network on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MADSportsNet and Mad Sports Network on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/madsportsnetwork

Adam is joined by his regular co-hosts Andy and Craig this week in a live stream edition as they get their teeth into the big footballing stories which included: Who should be a contender for the Spurs job? What will Jose Mourinho do at Roma? Jens Lehman indefensible actions lands him the sack. Did we learn much from the dress rehearsal in the Man City vs Chelsea match? The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HopelessPod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheHopelessWandererPodcast Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ Follow us on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJM1a3BnVC946aS0HUeMlrQ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com

Adam is joined by guest co-hosts this week with previous guest Josh Butler from ‘These Football Times' and Charlie Patrick from ‘The Blues Brothers Podcast' as they get their teeth into the big footballing stories which included: Champions League Semi-Finals first leg winners and losers. Daniel Ek's proposal the start of takeovers of the Super league clubs? Nagelsmann moves to Bayern, but how competitive does that leave the Bundesliga? The social media boycott, does this send the right message to abusers? The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HopelessPod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheHopelessWandererPodcast Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ Follow us on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJM1a3BnVC946aS0HUeMlrQ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com

Adam, Craig and Andy get their teeth into the big footballing stories which included: Our views on the Super League announcement and collapse. Uefa's proposed Champions League change. Jose is sacked, who should Spurs replace him with? John Kenenedy's Celtic lose to Rangers, what does their future hold? The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HopelessPod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheHopelessWandererPodcast Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ Follow us on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJM1a3BnVC946aS0HUeMlrQ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com

Joined by Jay Pearson from The Kopite Podcast, Adam, Craig and Andy get their teeth into the big footballing stories which included: Champions League winners and losers from the quarter finals The Liverpool review, Did Klopp address the season and is their question marks on this squad going forward? Uefa mock their Respect campaign by only banning Ondrej Kudela for 10 games only. The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HopelessPod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheHopelessWandererPodcast Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ Follow us on Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJM1a3BnVC946aS0HUeMlrQ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com For more from the Jay Pearson and the Kopite Podcast, follow them via these links: Web: https://thekopite.org/ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNGB3sqZKcZ2o_O21Le3bzQ?app=desktop&sub_confirmation=1 Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/thekopiteoff/

As a result of Episode 23 going walkies with our audio, we did a live stream on our Youtube page to cover your topics as well as react to the weekends big results. Topics included: With Kane initiating his transfer intentions, where will he be heading? Leicester mimic last years wobble as they lose to West Ham. Cavani proves what a quality forward Man Utd might lose this summer. Who progresses in the 2nd leg of Champions League Quarter Finals? The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HopelessPod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheHopelessWandererPodcast Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ Follow us on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJM1a3BnVC946aS0HUeMlrQ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com

Adam, Craig and Andy get their teeth into the big footballing stories which included: Did we learn anything from the International break? How much money was spent by Premier League clubs on Agents? Is Mino Raiola pulling an April Fool? All or nothing - Which team we would have loved to have seen covered this year? The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HopelessPod Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com

Adam, Craig and Andy get their teeth into the big footballing stories which included: Do Newcastle go for bust and get rid of Steve Bruce? All change in the Bundesliga as Bosz gets sacked at Leverkusen while Alonso takes up reigns at Gladbach. Juventus lose to Benevento, and their title credentials? Football's coming home for England? The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HopelessPod Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com

Adam, Craig and Andy are joined by Josh Butler from the These Footy Times as they get their teeth into the big footballing stories which included: Did Wilder's transfer policy earn him the sack AC crash their title credentials Celtic & Rangers to create B-sides Holland and Belgium leagues to merge? The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HopelessPod Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com To find out more from our guest Jonathan and the These Footy Times, follow them on Twitter: Josh Butler: https://twitter.com/JoshisButler90 These Footy Times:https://twitter.com/thesefootytimes Or click their website:https://thesefootballtimes.shop/

Adam, Craig and Andy are joined by Jonathan Radcliffe from the Bundesliga Diaries podcast as they get their teeth into the big footballing stories which included: Ole's clinical record vs Pep continues Do Bayern have it in them to win the Bundesliga? Celtic seal Rangers title by drawing with Dundee United Top 4 in Serie A to keep the pressure for the Scudetto The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HopelessPod Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com To find out more from our guest Jonathan and the Bundesliga Diaries podcast, follow them on Twitter:https://twitter.com/buli_diaries Or click their website:http://bundesliga-diaries.com/

For this special episode of They Live By Film, we are honored and excited to bring you a full hour-long discussion with the legendary restoration artist and technician, Craig Rogers, and the legendary film programmer, author and raconteur, Dennis Bartok. The reason for scheduling this interview was for us to speak with the founders of Deaf Crocodile Films (www.deafcrocodile.com), but what none of us were quite expecting was two of the most connected people working in film today also happened to be humble and down to earth film buffs willing to chew the fat over a shared appreciation for movies and preservation. www.theylivebyfilm.com Adam's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/TheOwls23/ Zach's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/dharmabombs/ Chris' subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/personalhistoryoffilm/ www.instagram.com/theylivebyfilm/

Adam, Craig and Andy get their teeth into the big footballing stories. This included: Has refereeing become worst since VAR has been introduced? Inter with potential financial plight Schalke set their stall for next season Ex Barca president arrested for misappropriation of funds The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HopelessPod Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com

Adam, Craig and Andy get their teeth into the big footballing stories. This included: Lennon leaves Celtic allowing Rangers to sow up the title Andy issues an apology to Belgiums from South London Lukaku fires Inter's title march Bayern Munich lose to Frankfurt as Leipzig put some pressure PSG lose to Monaco in Ligue 1 The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HopelessPod Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com

Adam, Craig and Andy get their teeth into the big footballing stories. This included: Champions League is back, How bad were Barcelona? Tuchel brings Chelsea back into the top 4 mix. Marco Rose takes up the helm at Dortmund Inter Milan pulls off a result against Lazio as AC Milan trip up at Spezia. Ryan Kent's volley maintains Rangers lead at the top of the SPL. The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HopelessPod Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com

Joined by Martin Laurence from whoscored.com, we discuss around data analysis and the contribution this has on football. We also discussed with Martin and our co-hosts Andy and Craig: The new role of Ilkay Gundogan in the Man City midfield. Juventus gain momentum in Serie A as they beat Roma. Wolfsburg and Eintracht Frankfurt mix it up in the Bundesliga. Neymar coincidentally gets injured in time for his sisters birthday. This plus more of the footballing stories on your favourite podcast. If you love what you heard from Martin, follow him directly via his twitter page or whoscored.com. Links below: Martin Laurence: https://twitter.com/martinlaurence7 Whoscored.com: https://twitter.com/WhoScored The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheHopelessWan1 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com

No Guest this week, but plenty of topics and footballing stories for the guys to get their teeth into. This included: Is there more behind the Graeme Jones appointment at Newcastle, than meets the eyes? Did Liverpool get their transfer business wrong in the January window? Marseille light up Ligue 1 quite literally whilst Lorient shock PSG. Messi's contract highlights the strangle hold he has over Barcelona. This plus more of the footballing stories on your favourite podcast. The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheHopelessWan1 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com

Joined by Tommaso Adami from the Anglo-Italian Podcast we talk about Serie A, Conte, Inter's season so far plus your listener questions for Tommaso. The Guys also discussed: Idea Balls and Ole scores an own goal as Man Utd lose to Sheffield United Lampard's sacking and what effect will Tuchel have? David Moyes spreads magic on West Ham Andre Vilas-Boas in trouble at Marseille For more from Tommaso Adami and Ruari Sean Criscuolo, follow the Anglo-Italian podcast below: Twitter: https://twitter.com/italiananglopod Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/angloitalianpod/ The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheHopelessWan1 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com

Joined by Ben Spalding from the Brighton and Hove Albion fan group, seagullssocial we talk about the current season under Graham Potter and how Tony Bloom is setting foundations. The Guys also discussed: Luke Shaw pulls out Mo Salah out his back pockets Chelsea continue to capitulate Wolves credentials as relegation candidates Neil Lennons bizarre rant Serie A and Bundesliga madness as both title challengers saw a merry go round The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheHopelessWan1 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com

Joined by Josh Bell from the West Bromwich Albion fan group, Abaggiesperspective we talk about the upcoming Black Country derby and how West Brom's season has panned out. The Guys also discussed: The FA Cup fixtures that caused a stir this weekend. Man Utd turn on the form as they head into the weekends game with Liverpool. Panto season continues at Celtic, to their fans dismay. Schalke win their first game of the season. Bayern slump in both the league and cup, The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheHopelessWan1 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com

Welcoming Max Francis from the Crystal Palace fan group CPFC_FP_SE25, the guys discussed the big footballing stories from the weekend and week including: Rangers winning the Old Firm derby as they increase the gap at the top of the league Ole's misery continues as they lose a 4th Semi Final in the last two seasons against local rivals City We discuss Palace with Max, including the bargain buy of Eze and the dilemma for Zaha's future Serie A spices up as Juventus beat AC Milan, Inter lose and Roma quietly make the top 4. This plus more on your favourite football podcast. The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheHopelessWan1 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com

Welcoming Georg Harris from the Blue's Brothers podcast, the guys discuss the big footballing stories from the weekend, including: Big Sam back to earn West Brom a big point at Liverpool. Chelsea's non-performance at Arsenal Rangers continue to march on in the Scottish Premier League January's key Transfer targets This plus more on your favourite football podcast. The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheHopelessWan1 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com Giveaway – How would you like to win a copy of Ryan Hubbard's book Partition to Solidarity? To stand a chance to win a copy of Ryan Hubbard's book, Partition to Solidarity, all you have to do retweet or share our post promoting our show. We also want to see you take a screen shot of you subscribing to the show. Send us these images either via a DM or Message and we will pick a winner at random. Winner will be announced on January 8th 2021 show. George Harris Podcast Blues Brothers Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/blues-brothers-podcast/id1524138796

Merry Christmas one and all. The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheHopelessWan1 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com Giveaway – How would you like to win a copy of Ryan Hubbard's book Partition to Solidarity? To stand a chance to win a copy of Ryan Hubbard's book, Partition to Solidarity, all you have to do retweet or share our post promoting our show. We also want to see you take a screen shot of you subscribing to the show. Send us these images either via a DM or Message and we will pick a winner at random. Winner will be announced on January 8th 2021 show.

The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheHopelessWan1 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com Giveaway – How would you like to win a copy of Ryan Hubbard's book Partition to Solidarity? To stand a chance to win a copy of Ryan Hubbard's book, Partition to Solidarity, all you have to do retweet or share our post promoting our show. We also want to see you take a screen shot of you subscribing to the show. Send us these images either via a DM or Message and we will pick a winner at random. Winner will be announced on January 8th 2021 show

The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with Adam Gipki, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers who dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheHopelessWan1 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehopelesswandererpodcast/ or Email us at thehopelesswandererpodcast@gmail.com Giveaway – How would you like to win a copy of Ryan Hubbard's book Partition to Solidarity? To stand a chance to win a copy of Ryan Hubbard's book, Partition to Solidarity, all you have to do retweet or share our post promoting our show. We also want to see you take a screen shot of you subscribing to the show. Send us these images either via a DM or Message and we will pick a winner at random. Winner will be announced on January 8th show.

The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with two new Co-hosts, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers to dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. To stand a chance to win a copy of Ryan Hubbard's book, Partition to Solidarity, all you have to do retweet or share our post promoting our show. We also want to see you take a screen shot of you subscribing to the show. Send us these images either via a DM or Message and we will pick a winner at random. Winner will be announced on January 8th show.

The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with two new Co-hosts, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers to dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra. To stand a chance to win a copy of Ryan Hubbard's book, Partition to Solidarity, all you have to do retweet or share our post promoting our show. We also want to see you take a screen shot of you subscribing to the show. Send us these images either via a DM or Message and we will pick a winner at random. Winner will be announced on January 8th show.

The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with two new Co-hosts, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers to dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra.

The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with two new Co-hosts, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers to dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra.

The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with two new Co-hosts, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers to dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra.

A new series of podcasts - The Hopeless Wanderer Podcast:Extra - with two new Co-hosts, Andy MacBride and Craig Rogers to dissect the week of football and ask the key questions. With plenty of honest opinions, and the odd bit of swearing, Welcome to The Hopeless Wanderer: Extra.

In this second part with Craig Rogers, we covered the topic of transfer policies and discussed the best and the worst of buys, strategies and overall structure at clubs. We could have spent hours on the topic but we've condensed this to 1 hour 20 minutes. Enjoy the topic and let us know what you think on our pages? Facebook: www.facebook.com/The-Hopeless-Wanderer-Podcast-103622218163472 Twitter: www.twitter.com/TheHopelessWan1 Music Credits: Fuzzy and True, The Mini Vandals

In this third episode, welcomed Craig Rogers to discuss Rangers who gave us a flavour of what the Old Firm is really like. We also covered how Dick Advocaat spiralled around this journey. Craig also shared his second love, Roma. Here we discussed Italian football and answered the important question, did we ever appreciate James Richardson on Football Italia? Listen to find out more. Please note, this episode contains some curse words. Music Credits: Fuzzy and True, The Mini Vandals

In Episode 2 of our Technology in Financial Services Podcast Series, Rhys McWhirter is joined by London partners Simon Gamlin and Craig Rogers as they discuss all things cloud computing and the dramatic improvements on the infrastructure solutions of clouding computing and how this affects Financial Services clients.

In episode 10 of Cellar Sessions Podcast, Host Michael Kimball and Shepherd Craig Rogers of Border Springs Farm carve out a passionate conversation about the realities of farming in VA, the farm-to-table movement from a producers perspective and of course, wine! Warning: this episode will cause extreme cravings for perfectly cooked lamb and Petit Verdot but don't worry, we know a guy

In this seventh and final blindspot for personal finance, Kim talks about the things that "sound too good to be true". She talks about how to help clients with this and help them learn about the information that you discover by digging deeper. To learn more about the prosperity movement and help you and your clients build and keep wealth visit www.TheAdvisorAdvantage.com   To learn more about the Prosperity Economics Movement http://prosperityeconomicsadvisors.com/how-to-keep-your-mindset-positive-bonus-episode   Show Notes Kim talks about the new format of podcasts -2:19 The 7th Blind Spot: If it sounds too good to be true you just need to dig deeper - 3:00 The importance of giving advice to clients - 5:23 They talk about the Seven Principles of Prosperity - 7:07 Kim recommends us to use tutorials and blogs for learning - 10:07 In the advisor section of the podcast we get to listen to Craig Rogers at the 2018 Summit for Prosperity Economics Advisors, even though he is not an advisor he attended the conference and shares with us his experience there - 11:40 How this is a learning opportunity for him - 12:44 He tells us how Kim Butler gave a lot of advice at the conference - 13:48 They talk about the characteristics of the Brain Date style - 15:04   Review, Subscribe and Share If you like what you hear please leave a review by clicking here Make sure you're subscribed to the podcast so you get the latest episodes. Click here to subscribe with iTunes Click here to follow with Spotify Click here to subscribe with Stitcher Click here to subscribe with RSS

Operating farms in a time of tight margins has become the new normal. Craig Rogers, the precision farming lead at Beck’s says farmers can’t afford to not know their cost of production. In this Managing for Profit, we’ll learn how a new tool from Beck’s Hybrids’ FarmServer is helping farmers easily calculate their Return on Investment.

On this special episode of The Projection Booth we're looking at Dennis Hopper's The Last Movie. Barely released by Universal Pictures in 1971, the film stars Hopper as Kansas -- a man as middle-American as his name. He's in Peru as a stunt man for a Western. When the cast and crew packs up and goes back to Hollywood, he stays behind where the natives form a sort of cargo cult around movie-making, holding up Kansas as their god, savior, and their sacrifice.Mike talks to Craig Rogers and David Marriott from Arbelos Films who have restored The Last Movie and have re-released the film. He speaks to author Jessica Hundley, editor of Dennis Hopper: Photographs 1961-1967, John Buck Wilkin who performed music on both The Last Movie and Lawrence Schiller & L. M. Kit Carson's The American Dreamer. Finally, he speaks with Nick Ebeling, the director of Along for the Ride and its subject, Satya De La Manitou.Nick Dawson and Ben Buckingham join Mike to discuss the film as well as its fascinating history.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this special episode of The Projection Booth we’re looking at Dennis Hopper’s The Last Movie. Barely released by Universal Pictures in 1971, the film stars Hopper as Kansas -- a man as middle-American as his name. He’s in Peru as a stunt man for a Western. When the cast and crew packs up and goes back to Hollywood, he stays behind where the natives form a sort of cargo cult around movie-making, holding up Kansas as their god, savior, and their sacrifice. Mike talks to Craig Rogers and David Marriott from Arbelos Films who have restored The Last Movie and have re-released the film. He speaks to author Jessica Hundley, editor of Dennis Hopper: Photographs 1961-1967, John Buck Wilkin who performed music on both The Last Movie and Lawrence Schiller & L. M. Kit Carson's The American Dreamer. Finally, he speaks with Nick Ebeling, the director of Along for the Ride and its subject, Satya De La Manitou.Nick Dawson and Ben Buckingham join Mike to discuss the film as well as its fascinating history.

On this special episode of The Projection Booth we’re looking at Dennis Hopper’s The Last Movie. Barely released by Universal Pictures in 1971, the film stars Hopper as Kansas -- a man as middle-American as his name. He’s in Peru as a stunt man for a Western. When the cast and crew packs up and goes back to Hollywood, he stays behind where the natives form a sort of cargo cult around movie-making, holding up Kansas as their god, savior, and their sacrifice. Mike talks to Craig Rogers and David Marriott from Arbelos Films who have restored The Last Movie and have re-released the film. He speaks to author Jessica Hundley, editor of Dennis Hopper: Photographs 1961-1967, John Buck Wilkin who performed music on both The Last Movie and Lawrence Schiller & L. M. Kit Carson's The American Dreamer. Finally, he speaks with Nick Ebeling, the director of Along for the Ride and its subject, Satya De La Manitou.Nick Dawson and Ben Buckingham join Mike to discuss the film as well as its fascinating history.

On this very special episode, Brian is joined by his Pure Cinema Podcast partner Elric Kane to discuss Toshio Matsumoto's FUNERAL PARADE OF ROSES - now on Blu-ray from Cinelicious Pics. This episode also features a special bonus interview with restoration artist Craig Rogers who has worked on several Cinelicious releases including BELLADONNA OF SADNESS and PRIVATE PROPERTY (both great Blu-rays).

Though widely consumed throughout the world, lamb is a largely under-appreciated meat in the U.S. “I think there are too many Americans who have just had bad lamb,” says farmer Craig Rogers of Border Springs Farm in Virginia, one of three experts on the subject who spoke with Kat Johnson at a workshop entitled Lamb Breakdown at the 8th Annual Chefs Collaborative Summit. “One of the most fun things for me is introducing—or reintroducing—people to lamb, and they just go ‘Oh my god I had no idea!’“ Rogers joined Chef Michael Costa (Zatinya, Washington DC) and James Beard Award-winning butcher Adam Danforth as they discussed all things lamb—from the science of muscles and flavor, to using lesser known cuts, and even starter tips for beginners. “I work with anyone who wants to better understand their relationship to meat, and also their relationship to animals that sustain us,” says Danforth, “By teaching on-farm slaughtering, whole-animal butchering, and meat and flavor science, I aim to challenge people’s stigmas around what they think they’re experiencing when they eat meat, or also what their ideas of quality are.” Hear more of their deep-dive on lamb and how farmers, butchers, and chefs can work together to promote consumption and sustainability of the animal. Heritage Radio Network On Tour is powered by Simplecast

The NC F&B Podcast, featuring a 3-part series of Lambstock 2017. We brought the team to Border Springs Farm in Patrick Springs, VA for the 8th year of Lambstock; a chef-inspired, invite-only, event that happens every 2nd weekend of August.  As a podcast that primarily focuses on the food & beverage industry of North Carolina, we traveled up to Virginia for a unique experience that is known to many in the restaurant industry. No money exchanges hands. It's a collective of like-minded people bringing their talent and experience to provide food & drink for a few days while camping out in a sheep pasture. Episode 1 features the Lore of Lambstock. We kick it off with the Shepherd of Border Springs, Craig Rogers. Followed up with James Clark & Bill Hartley of Postal Fish Company in Pittsboro, NC and closed with Writer/Podcaster Amber Donaghue of Haute Dish in Charlotte, NC. Hosts: Max Trujillo & Matthew Weiss Sponsors: The CurEat App (Steve Mangano) Food-Seen Van Daughtry Consulting Audio Produced/Edited: Max Trujillo Video Produced/Edited: Forrest Mason

Craig Rogers is a force in Southern food. Mention this owner and shepherd of Border Springs Farm in Patrick Springs, VA around any East Coast chefs, and one or more have likely heard of him or already serve his product. Craig and I first met on the dance floor at 2 a.m. during a Lambs and Clams after party at Euphoria Greenville a few years ago, and I remember he had on overalls and had been dancing for hours. And that was after cooking lamb on a spit all day. The man is used to going headlong into whatever he decides. These days, he’s cycling his way back to health, biking the Blue Ridge yet still hosting the private Lambstock event on his farm (that’s Woodstock for chefs). To steal the Vegas line “what happens at Lambstock usually stays at Lambstock,” but this year, he invited me to come and podcast from the party, but it was too windy on the day we recorded. Instead we popped inside his farmhouse kitchen, where you’ll be able to hear a squeaky screen door opening and closing as an army of volunteers for the event move around us.    

>New York City Garage Rock Greats ...The Electric Mess give the Muffin Junkee exclusive interviews about their Music including their brand new fantastic album,House on Fire! >If you dig bands from the Nuggets and Back to the Grave Series and bands like the Sonics,The 13th Floor Elevators,The Pretty Things then your going to dig the music of The Electric Mess ! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> You will of course also be treated to some of their garage rock gems from all of their masterpiece albums!(The Electric Mess,Falling Off The Face of the Earth and their brand new album House On Fire) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Special thanks to Electric Mess (Esther Crow,Derek Davidson,Oweinama Biu,Dan Crow and Craig Rogers!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Thanks to Derek Davidson for making this Podcast possible and arranging the interviews _____________________________________________________> Thanks to The Electric Mess and Soundflat and Groovy Records for granting The Raving Looney Jay Daniels permission to play tracks from all of their albums -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Podcast Set List : She's Got Something to Say,You Make Me Raw,Don't Want to Be Your Man,Trash Talkin Woman,Tell Me Why,Falling Off the Face of the Earth,Runaway Daughter,You Never Come Around Anymore,Lemonade Man and She Got Fangs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> All sound effects on this podcast and indeed all Muffin Junkee Podcasts are either created by The Raving Looney Jay Daniels with assistance at times from the Bands who are interviewed or are made with Public Domain Sound Effects from Public Domain Sound Effect Sites ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Muffin Junkee Theme created by Paul Worsley