Podcast appearances and mentions of Jessica Hische

Send us a textThis is the third episode in a 5-part guest lecture series in GCM 806 Advanced Typography, speaking with design typography pros from across North America!In this episode features the legendary, Jessica Hische. You'll hear Jessica's origin story in graphic design and illustration, how she works with sources of inspiration and what her process looks like (yes, verbal brainstorming!). You'll hear how and why technology has changed Jessica's process and how she thinks about the topic on so many creatives' minds: AI. Finally, Jessica shares that it's a small world, after all, and that, in fact, is a really big deal.I'm also joined by Chris Rouleau, co-hosting this episode alongside me.I'm all about interesting projects with interesting people! Let's Connect on the web or via Instagram. :)

A candid conversation with lettering artist Jessica Hische about maintaining creative independence, managing work-life balance, and navigating the evolving creative industry. Jessica shares insights about staying small versus scaling up, dealing with perception versus reality in the creative field, and adapting to technological changes including AI.Key Takeaways:Choosing to stay independent rather than scale up can be a strategic decision for creative fulfillmentMental health and creativity benefit from a mix of high-level ideation and routine production workTherapy can improve both personal relationships and professional collaborationsSocial media presence requires intentional curation due to algorithmic distributionSuccess in creative fields isn't always about scaling up - sometimes it's about maintaining sustainable practicesFinancial stability should be approached with careful consideration of risk versus comfort zoneThe creative industry is evolving with AI, requiring adaptation while maintaining human connectionWork-life balance often means keeping your schedule at 80% capacity to handle unexpected opportunitiesPerception of being "expensive" can limit opportunities, even when open to various project scalesCreative evolution comes from understanding personal needs and boundaries rather than external pressures Mindful Creative: How to understand and deal with the highs and lows of creative life, career and business Paperback and Kindle > https://amzn.to/4biTwFcFree audiobook (with Audible trial) > https://geni.us/free-audiobookSigned books https://novemberuniverse.co.ukLux Coffee Co. https://luxcoffee.co.uk/ (Use: PODCAST for 15% off)November Universe https://novemberuniverse.co.uk (Use: PODCAST for 10% off)

Jessica Hische is a lettering artist and New York Times bestselling author based in Oakland, California. She specializes in typographical work for logos, film, books, and other commercial applications. Her clients include Wes Anderson, The United States Postal Service, Target, Hallmark, and Penguin Books, and her work has been featured in design and illustration annuals both in the U.S. and internationally. She's been named a Print Magazine New Visual Artist (20 under 30), one of Forbes 30 under 30 in Art and Design, an ADC Young Gun, a “Person to Watch” by GD USA, and an Adweek “Creative 100.” In our conversation, we discuss:• My new logo and brand!• Jessica's process for refreshing my logo/brand• Why most startups shouldn't worry about their logo/brand• The psychology behind different typography choices• Balancing creativity with business needs in logo design• Jessica's unique approach to pricing logo work• How AI is (and isn't) impacting the design world• Jessica's other creative pursuits, including children's books and art supply stores—Brought to you by:• The Enterprise Ready Conference — For B2B leaders building enterprise SaaS• OneSchema — Import CSV data 10x faster• Merge — A single API to add hundreds of integrations into your app—Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/seeing-like-a-designer-jessica-hische—Where to find Jessica Hische:• Threads: https://www.threads.net/@jessicahische• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jessicahische• Website: https://jessicahische.is—Where to find Lenny:• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/—In this episode, we cover:(00:00) Jessica's background(01:32) The logo refresh process(09:45) When to refresh your logo(11:45) High-level overview(18:04) Approaching Lenny's brand refresh(24:25) How to see like a designer(37:53) Lenny's new logo: where we landed(44:07) Brand's role in company success(50:04) Jessica's flexible pricing strategies and collaborative design process(57:14) Balancing multiple creative projects(01:01:48) Using AI in creative work(01:05:50) Upcoming projects and final thoughts(01:08:24) Lightning round—Referenced:• Jeni's: https://jenis.com• James Edmondson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamestedmondson/• Figma Config: https://config.figma.com/• Helvetica: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetica• MyFonts: https://www.myfonts.com/• Geometric sans serif fonts: https://www.myfonts.com/pages/tags/geometric%20sans%20serif-fonts• The Rise of Fractional Executives: https://www.reforge.com/blog/leveraging-fractional-executives• JH&F: https://jessicahische.shop/pages/my-oakland-store• Drawling: https://drawling.shop/• Jessica Hische's books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Jessica-Hische/author/B082XDN54V• Dreamforce: https://www.salesforce.com/dreamforce• Bezier handles: https://www.tella.tv/definition/bezier-handles• My First Book of Fancy Letters: https://www.amazon.com/My-First-Book-Fancy-Letters/dp/0593385012/r• The Creative Act: A Way of Being: https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Act-Way-Being/dp/0593652886/• Inside Paragraphs: Typographic Fundamentals: https://www.amazon.com/Inside-Paragraphs-Fundamentals-Cyrus-Highsmith/dp/1616899417• Just Kids: https://www.amazon.com/Just-Kids-Patti-Smith/dp/0060936223• Robert Mapplethorpe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mapplethorpe• The Emperor of All Maladies: A Biography of Cancer: https://www.amazon.com/Emperor-All-Maladies-Biography-Cancer/dp/1439170916/r• Severance on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/Severance-Toby-Stephens/dp/B001ARYGCU• Penco brown bag stand: https://penco.jp/en/products/db079/• XOXO: https://xoxofest.com/• Mariame Kaba quotes: https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/8156101.Mariame_Kaba—Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.—Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. Get full access to Lenny's Newsletter at www.lennysnewsletter.com/subscribe

 Hey! I am really excited to bring you the second season of my podcast. There's a change of name and theme. We're going to focus on the topic of my second recently published book - Mindful Creative. A book (and now also a podcast)  about understanding how to deal with the highs and lows of creative lives. My name is Radim Malinic and I am your host. Creativity has changed my life but it also nearly killed me too.In this season inspired by my book of the same title, I am talking to some of the most celebrated figures in the creative industry including Chris Do, Gemma O'Brien, Murugiah, Stefan Sagmeister, Jessica Hische, Chuck Anderson, Matt Hart, Amanda Mocci, Kerry Laster and many others about their hopes and fears, anxieties and insecurities and experiences of burn out whilst trying to build their creative lives and careers.In our candid conversations, my guests discuss their experiences, and how they overcame their challenges and struggles. How they learned to grow as creatives and humans.A creative career in the 21st century can be overwhelming. I wanted to capture these honest and transparent conversations that might help you find that guiding light in your career.I'm truly excited to bring you this season that celebrates how we are all equal in life and creativity. As with Season 1, every Thursday I will be sharing bonus episodes with chapters from the audiobook, that include actionable tips and insights as well as meditation files. It's a good one. I invite you to join me in taking the first or the next step towards regaining control of your creative life. Are you ready? Mindful Creative: How to understand and deal with the highs and lows of creative life, career and business Paperback and Kindle > https://amzn.to/4biTwFcFree audiobook (with Audible trial) > https://geni.us/free-audiobookSigned books https://novemberuniverse.co.ukLux Coffee Co. https://luxcoffee.co.uk/ (Use: PODCAST for 15% off)November Universe https://novemberuniverse.co.uk (Use: PODCAST for 10% off)

In this episode, Ilana and Katie delve into the world of diversifying income streams in the creative industry with Jessica Hische, everyone's favorite OG lettering artist. They discuss the importance of financial stability and how incorporating various revenue streams can contribute to a more robust creative career. From client projects to online classes and book royalties, Jessica shares her experiences and insights on what works best for her and the challenges she has encountered along the way.The conversation touches on the landscape of creative entrepreneurship, valuable advice on balancing passion projects with financial security, and finding fulfillment in diverse income streams. Whether you're a seasoned professional or just starting out, this episode offers practical strategies and inspiration for building a sustainable and rewarding career in the creative field.All that and more when you listen to this episode:• What role does diversifying income streams play in building an art business• How to balance passion projects with financial security• How to find fulfillment in diverse income streams• The challenges Jessica faced in her entrepreneurial journey• How to keep the spark alive throughout a long creative careerConnect with Katie & Ilana from Goodtype• Goodtype Website• Goodtype on Instagram• Goodtype on Youtube• Join the Good GuildConnect with our guest:Instagram: @jessicahischeWebsite: Jessica HischeX: Jessica HischeMentioned in this episode:• Brave, Kind, & Grateful: A Daily Gratitude JournalLove The Typecast and free stuff? Leave a review, and send a screenshot of it to us on Slack. Each month we pick a random reviewer to win a Goodtype Goodie! Goodies include merch, courses and Kernference tickets!Leave us a review on Apple PodcastsSubscribe to the showTag us on Instagram @GoodtypeFollow us on Tiktok @lovegoodtypeKeep the conversation going on SlackLearn from Katie and IlanaGrab your tea, coffee, or drink of choice, kick back, and let's get down to business!

We're thrilled to welcome the incredibly talented Jessica Hische to the Human Centered Design Podcast. Jessica, a renowned lettering artist and author, based in San Francisco, shares her journey from studying graphic design to becoming an illustrator and author of children's books. Known for her exquisite typography and eloquent visual storytelling, Jessica's work is nothing short of breathtaking. As we delve into her creative process, Jessica shares insights into the tensions and harmonies within her work, balancing the roles of writer and illustrator with grace and skill. We explore her recent ventures into children's literature with books like "My First Book of Fancy Letters", "Tomorrow I'll Be Brave" and "Tomorrow I'll Be Kind," gaining valuable perspective on her artistic journey. Don't miss this opportunity to dive into the mind of a true design luminary and gain inspiration from her remarkable portfolio. Be sure to check out the show notes and description for a link to Jessica's captivating work — it's truly worth exploring! https://jessicahische.is/ Become a member: https://www.thisishcd.com/landing/circle-a-community-for-ethically-conscious-designers-changemakers Book a Coaching Chemistry Call: https://calendly.com/gerryscullion/coaching-chemistry-call

Jessica Hische is a lettering artist, freelancer and author, selling books and craft supplies in two brick and mortar stores in the US. Jessica has built an incredible personal brand by building a following on social media, writing her own children's books and speaking at events such as OFFF and Adobe Max. Her network has helped her to land huge clients, including working on titles for director Wes Anderson.In this episode, Jessica shares her networking secrets to land big clients - including the benefits that smaller clients can offer. She also discusses how to make the most of pitching to clients, how newsletters may be the future of communicating to clients and how to avoid social media burnout.In this episode, you'll learn:How Jessica worked with Wes AndersonWhy networking is important as a designerHow to make the most of pitching to clientsHow to avoid social media burnoutBehind the scenes of Jessica's brick and mortar storesHow to land big clientsFollow Jessica: Website | InstagramLinks: My First Book of Fancy Letters Free resources to grow your career:

One of the best things about having my own podcast is having an excuse to talk to my design and illustration heroes. Remember that rejection challenge that I've been wanging on about Well, Jessica Hish has been at the top of my dream guest list ever since I started the podcast three years ago, and last year I plucked up the courage to ask her. Jessica has always been so open and transparent about her career, from her creative process, to pricing work, to running businesses with three kids, to the highs and lows of running two retail shops in her hometown, and she very generously shares a lot of that reality with us in this episode today, too. I hope you enjopy the episode as much as we loved recording it. Episode highlights:  00:00 Meet Jessica Hische: A Design and Illustration Icon 01:38 The Power of Procrastiworking and Passion Projects 05:39 Redefining Work-Life Balance and Creative Fulfillment 10:05 Navigating Parenthood and Creative Pursuits 14:18 Achieving Success and Finding Satisfaction in Work 25:05 The Unique Challenges and Joys of Running Retail Stores Thanks to Marketing Magic for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to check out Jessica online and follow her on Instagram! If you'd like to have a chat come find me on Instagram. Can't wait to connect with you. This episode was written and produced by me and edited by Lucy Lucraft. If you enjoyed this episode please leave a 5* rating and review!   

In this week's episode on the podcast, I'm speaking to the incredible Jessica Hische.Jessica is a lettering artist working in branding, film and television, book design, and advertising. She's also a New York Times best-selling children's book author and illustrator and has recently opened two physical stores in Oakland, Jessica Hische and Friends, and Drawling. In this episode, you'll learn how to know when it's a good time to open a physical store, the process behind opening physical stores as an artist and insights into branding a physical store, as well as why it can help to start separating your social media pages for your projects.Jessica also shares insights on how to communicate all of your passions clearly as a creative and how hearing from you should be a joy to your audience and so much more!–––––––––––––––––––––––Connect with Jessica Hische:Website: jessicahische.is/awesomeInstagram: @jessicahischeThreads: @jessicahischePre-order Jessica's new kid's book, My First Book of Fancy Letters.–––––––––––––––––––––––Read the accompanying blog post.Tag me on Instagram @makerandmoxie and let me know you're listening.And sign up to the Moxie Musings newsletter for more goodness like this.–––––––––––––––––––––––Want to support the show & help me make the world a more creative place one brand at a time? You can pop something in my tip jar here.Any amount is appreciated, as is sharing the episodes or recommending the show to your creative friends!Want to sponsor the Brand Your Passion Podcast? You can view the options & book in here.

Lettering artist Jessica Hische joins Dylan (via Zoom) to chat about her careers as a designer, author, brick & mortar retail shop (2 actually), speaker, instructor and more! They talk about her time working with Wes Anderson on Moonrise Kingdom, as well as her new book that comes out in October! http://lennondesignllc.com/wp-content/audio/cre8tivity/cre8tivity-ep188.mp3 LINKS Jessica Hische: […]

Lettering artist Jessica Hische joins Dylan (via Zoom) to chat about her careers as a designer, author, brick & mortar retail shop (2 actually), speaker, instructor and more! They talk about her time working with Wes Anderson on Moonrise Kingdom, as well as her new book that comes out in October! http://lennondesignllc.com/wp-content/audio/cre8tivity/cre8tivity-ep188.mp3 LINKS Jessica Hische: […]

SHOW NOTES JESSICA HISCHE http://jessicahische.is/ ---- CREDITS Support Creative Pep Talk on Patreon: www.patreon.com/creativepeptalk Thanks to Yoni Wolf and the band WHY? for our theme music. Thanks to Alex Sugg for our soundtrack! www.alexsugg.com

Jessica Hische is a lettering artist and author with a tendency to overshare and a penchant for procrastiworking.

Would you like to receive a daily, random quote by email from my Little Box of Quotes? https://constantine.name/lboq A long long time ago I began collecting inspirational quotes and aphorisms. I kept them on the first version of my web site, where they were displayed randomly. But as time went on, I realized I wanted them where I would see them. Eventually I copied the fledgeling collection onto 3×5 cards and put them in a small box. As I find new ones, I add cards. Today, there are more than 1,000 quotes and the collection continues to grow. Hello, I'm Craig Constantine

Would you like to receive a daily, random quote by email from my Little Box of Quotes?https://constantine.name/lboqA long long time ago I began collecting inspirational quotes and aphorisms. I kept them on the first version of my web site, where they were displayed randomly. But as time went on, I realized I wanted them where I would see them. Eventually I copied the fledgeling collection onto 3×5 cards and put them in a small box. As I find new ones, I add cards. Today, there are nearly 1,000 quotes and the collection continues to grow.My mission is creating better conversations to spread understanding and compassion. This podcast is a small part of what I do. Drop by https://constantine.name for my weekly email, podcasts, writing and more.

Elliot sits down with Jessica to discuss juggling family life with deadlines, why books take so long to get published, the kind of logo redesign work she's been enjoying, through to all the preparation she's been doing to open her bricks-and-mortar store in Oakland.

Todays episode of the Pencil Pushers Podcast takes us into the mind of Jessica Hische. Jessica is a New York Times best selling author, graphic designer and illustrator, but perhaps she's most known as one of the pivotal leaders in the new generation of lettering artists. With almost 20 years of experience, working with some of the biggest brands in the world, Jessica has created a career that is the envy of any creative.Listen in as I chat with Jessica about the emergence of AI, how she built her massive client list, how she balances her prolific work schedule while raising three young kids, her next big project and so much more.So, do yourself a favor…sit back, relax and listen in because you don't want to miss this amazing chat with Jessica Hische. PS: Don't forget to take advantage of our Burny Wild's promo code just for our Pencil Pushers fans. More info on the podcast intro.  Host: Mike Rosado @ekimodasor & @mrcraleigh Post-Production: Max Trujillo @trujillomedia Sponsors: MRC & Burny Wild's @mrcraleigh & @burnywilds

Today I'm celebrating the episode number 100

Jessica is a lettering artist and author who has created custom lettering artwork for established brands, films, classic books, postage stamps, and so much more. She's traveled the world speaking at creative conferences and colleges and has befriended innumerable internet strangers while navigating the depths of social media. Most recently, she wrote and illustrated her latest children's book: “Who Will U Be?”. We talked a bit about her career and the meaningful moments within it. And we chatted about befriending tons of people by being extremely online and the differences in connecting with people nowadays versus the past decade and a half.

Tula Jane and her Mother in the Wild read "Tomorrow I'll Be Brave" by Jessica Hische. https://amzn.to/3VfK0JJ --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/mother-in-the-wild/message

After a brief (for us) hiatus of 84 days we return to blether on about, in no particular order: Branston pickle, vertical cities, AI art generators, Jessica Hische, Rings of Power, Design Principals, Awesome Merchandise, Tattly, LEGO Atari, and Fungus the Bogeyman.

Lettering Artist and NYT best-selling Author Jessica Hische shares her thoughts on juggling lettering, books, and the creativity required for parenting in a pandemic. Jessica was interviewed by BUCK's Amelia Giller on March 10th, 2022. https://jessicahische.is/

Francesco Sedita is an author and publisher at Penguin, where he oversees Penguin Workshop and works with authors like Dolly Parton, Ann Hood, Jessica Hische, and publishes series like WhoHQ, Mad Libs, Nancy Drew, Hardy Boys, and Little Engine That Could. The third book in his graphic novel series, The Pathfinders Society, publishes in August 2022. He's produced the Emmy-award winning The Who Was? Show for Netflix and has a podcast called Queens of the Round Table. Creativity Without Frontiers available at all relevant book retailersStay in touch with Unknown OriginsMusic by Iain MutchSupport the show (https://www.paypal.com/unknownorigins)

Welcome back and happy listening to Season 2 of I Minored in Art History! In this episode Neysa kicks us off with a heavy hitter, Americana darling, Norman Rockwell. Jocelyn eases us into the modern day with the beautiful, talented (and possibly the hipster responsible for having love outlawed); graphic designer Jessica Hische! As always we get a download on the latest changes since the several month break and some of them may be shocking! Tune in for your fill of tea and we can't wait to bring you more art history in 2022. Send us a DM on Instagram with your suggestions of artists to regale you with! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/iminoredinarthistorypod/support

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In this week's episode, we welcome Jessica Hische. She is a hand-letterer, author, illustrator, entrepreneur, and type designer. She has built a powerful brand around her name and is the queen of side projects. This episode is honest, inspiring and shines a light on what is possible for ambitious creatives everywhere. So without further ado... let's get into the show!

Charli Prangley is the Creative Director at ConvertKit. Charli has a bachelor's degree in design, with an emphasis on visual communication, from Massey University. Before working at ConvertKit, Charli worked as a designer for companies such as Mitsubishi Electric, Xero, and her own Liner Note Kids.Born in New Zealand, Charli now lives in Valencia, Spain. She is passionate about helping creatives improve their craft and process, as well as working on her own side projects. When she's not working at ConvertKit, Charli creates weekly content on her YouTube channel and podcast, Design Life, where she shares insights about working as a professional designer, and gives tutorials and advice on design tools and concepts.In this episode, you'll learn: How to balance your side hustle with a full-time job How Charli turns curiosities into money-makers Why newsletter creators need a YouTube presence Charli's tips for getting more YouTube subscribers Links & Resources ConvertKit Basecamp Webflow Johnnie Gomez Pallet Sahil Bloom The Bloomboard Jessica Hische Charli's Links Follow Charli on Twitter: @charliprangley Watch Charli on YouTube Design Life Podcast on Twitter: @DesignLifeFM Design Life Podcast website Charli's website Episode TranscriptCharli: [00:00:00]I want to show people the real life of a professional designer; the projects that I work on, how I work on them, how I make decisions, the challenges that I run into along the way. That's the kind of thing that I'm looking to share. And then that sort of lens frames all my content. Not just on YouTube; it's also the newsletter, the book, anything I tweet, as well.It sort of all comes from this.Nathan: [00:00:31]In this episode I talk to Charli Prangley. Charli is the Creative Director at ConvertKit. She and I have actually worked together for four-and-a-half years, and during that time, well, actually before she joined ConvertKit, she'd built a popular YouTube channel about design—specifically marketing design.She's at over 200 or right about 200,000 subscribers on YouTube, which incredible.She's got all kinds of projects.In this episode, we dive into things about design. She and I are both designers, so we love those topics.We talk about side hustles, and how you balance that with a full-time job. Her career, moving up the ladder, becoming Creative Director at ConvertKit, and all the other things she wants to create.What gives her energy; what doesn't.We talk about sharing things about money online, and how that can be a tough topic.She shares her income, she does videos about salary and making income from side hustles, so we talk about those details, and then we talk about as a newsletter creator, is YouTube something that you want to pursue?And tips and tricks and ideas for that.Anyway, I'll get out of the way, and we'll dive into the episode.Charli, thanks for joining me:Charli: [00:01:42]Yeah. Thanks having me. I'm excited—honored to be on the Nathan Berry show.Nathan: [00:01:47]That's right. I'm glad it gets that kind of enthusiasm.Is only because we've worked together for so long?Charli: [00:01:59]Maybe, I don't know, honestly, actually I'd probably more excited to be on if we hadn't worked together for so long.Nathan: [00:02:04]That's right. You're actually like, “Fine, fine. I'll come on your podcast. But to be clear, I'm doing it during works hours, and you're paying for this.”Charli: [00:02:12]Yeah. This is a favor to you.Nathan: [00:02:14]Yeah. Whereas separately, because maybe if we hadn't spent the last four years working together, then, then you'd actually really want to do it.All right. Well, maybe let's start there because we have spent the last four years working together, four-and-a-half.Charli: [00:02:33]Yeah.Nathan: [00:02:33]And yeah. So coming, approaching five this fall. The first thing that I want to ask you about is how you think about all the different things that you're doing as a creator.As I mentioned in the intro you've got, you know, the YouTube channel, you have a podcast, you have a newsletter and everything else.And I, I just love to hear how you think about the intersection of those things. And then we can get into the intersection of a full-time role, and all the full-time creator things.So what's the, like Charli's creative landscape?Charli: [00:03:06]Ooh, I like that. I would say that I'm aiming to make the kind of content that would have helped out, you know, like the me from two years ago.And that's kind of been my approach the whole time through. So when I started, maybe I was making stuff more for beginners, and every now and then I will still, but I'm trying to like level up my audience as well as I level up in my career.And I love the term creator. I feel like it's definitely the best way to describe me because I'm not just a YouTuber. I'm not just a podcaster, or just a blogger, or a writer, or whatever.I do all the things like wherever I feel drawn to create in whichever method I feel like will best express the thing that I'm trying to teach or share is what I lean into.Nathan: [00:03:49]Yeah. that makes sense. Uh that's how I feel, like, you can't put me in a box.Charli: [00:03:54]Yeah, no. How dare you.Nathan: [00:03:55]The only box that I'm willing to accept is a giant all-encompassing freeform box of creator.Charli: [00:04:01]That molds, and like, changes shape as you do. Yeah.Nathan: [00:04:04]Yeah, exactly.Okay. So you have all of these things. Maybe your most recent thing that I want to talk about is Inside Marketing or Inside Marketing Design is that marketing would be an entirely thing.We're talking Inside Marketing and Design. I'd love to hear first, why you wanted to start that, and maybe the seed, the direction a little bit.I've heard you talk about like design being so focused. People either talk like graphic design, or they talk product design, you know. So, we're like into user experience, user interface.I'm curious how marketing design fits into that and your, your desires there?Charli: [00:04:42]Yeah. So, honestly Inside Marketing Design started as much with my content does, which is, I wish this existed. It doesn't exist. Maybe I'll be the one to make it.I found myself just like really wanting to hear about how other companies set up their marketing design teams, how their marketing designers get work done.And when you searched around for like, I dunno, medium articles and things like that, it's all about product design. It's all about product design teams, UX design teams, and how they work with engineers.And I'm like, what about the marketing design side of things? It's super important, especially in tech where most marketing design happens, most marketing, sorry, happens online and you need the digital design to make that happen.A brand is super important. Building up a company to, you know, a high level. And I just think it's completely underappreciated marketing design in the industry.And so it's like my personal mission to raise up the profile of marketing design eyes wider in the design industry and tech industry. And yeah, Inside Marketing Design interview show, that was completely self-indulgent where I got on calls with designers who work at other tech companies and learned about how they did that.Nathan: [00:05:51]I feel like the best podcasts and newsletters and things like that are completely self-indulgent they come from this natural curiosity, like that's where this show comes from. It's just like, these are the people that I want to talk to. And there'll be more likely to say yes to talk to me if it's for a podcast, you know, because otherwise like you end up in the, can I pick your brain thing?And that's like, Nope, no, no, no, no. Like bat goes in a very special bucket of, of emails. But if you're like, can I have you on your podcast? You're asking 90% of the same thing, you know, and the best questions are the ones where I'm like, I genuinely want to know this.Charli: [00:06:28]Totally. Yeah, exactly. That's definitely the approach I take to it. and since then, I've been, I've been surprised by the response that the number of people who are also interested in this very specific niche thing I was interested in as well, you know, it definitely has a way smaller audience than if it was perhaps a product design podcast or a UX design podcast, but that's kind of the point, right?Is I want to make content for this niche, this very underserved, I believe niche in particular.Nathan: [00:06:55]What's interesting is that I feel like, the market exists. Like, I'll be, obviously there's lots of marketing designers, right? Cause all going to the like every time Stripe comes out with a feature most beautiful page ever, you know, and all of this, right. we look at, even just within the Nisha software, like all of the design is so beautiful today compared to what it was even five years ago.And so obviously there's marketing designers everywhere. It's just that the content hasn't caught up with that, for whatever I feel like the UX designers and, and the freelancers have been so much more prolific in like content of this is how I run my business and this is how we structure our teams.And so it feels to me like the market. It's not that the market is small. It's that? it's just not established yet. There's not big of a community,Charli: [00:07:49]Yep. Totally. And there's not even one specific term, like even marketing design, some companies would call it brand design. Some would call it just web design, the creative team. I don't know. There's lots of different terms for it. So yeah, I guess I'm also trying to like unify us all under this marketing design umbrella as well, because it is it's design that helps market product or service.Nathan: [00:08:10]Yeah, totally. I, it takes someone to like, Hey. this is the term that we're all using. Just gives you're wondering, that, you know what you mean is marketing design. who are some people that you've had on the podcast that are particular companies that you've interviewed where you're like, we're really excited to dive in and learn what they were doing.Charli: [00:08:31]Yeah. So I was really excited to have it start out from base camp on the first season, back when he was still at base camp. and I don't know, it was just really interesting to learn about how they, how they do things. same with Webflow had Johnny Gomez from workflow on I've been a big fan of workflow for a very long time.So, yeah, digging in and hearing more about the day-to-day because it's one thing to just look at a company's marketing site or their marketing materials. And it's another to hear about the process that went into producing it. And like, where does this designer sit within the org structure of the company?How do they do things? So yeah, we go into lots of nerdy details like that, and it's been fun. I feel like I've learned from, you know, doing the episodes myself. Like, one thing that Johnny actually brought up is that when he's designing sites for web. He would write the copy for them as well. Like he doesn't use lorem ipsum or fill a copy.He'll like write real copy. And I would usually write like, sort of like a placeholder copy that indicated what I wanted to say. Like, it would be like headline about this. but since then, since that interview with Johnny, I've leaned in more to like, okay, let me just try it. Let me just try, write a headline.And you know, the writer can come in and fix it up later if they want to. But yeah, there's been lots of cool little, little learnings that have helped me in my process and yeah, I hope has helped the audience too.Nathan: [00:09:47]That's interesting. I feel like people do this with every skill that they're not, that they don't feel confident in. I was going to say competent, but often they're competent in skills that they don't actually like competent and confident. you know, don't always co-exist. And so I think that with design there's a lot of people who are like, oh, that's design.I can't like, I'm not a designer. I can't touch it. And you know, I'm always trying to use tools. Like pick-me-up like gradually drop people in and be like, oh, but what if you tried? And you know, and like, yeah, maybe it looks terrible, but here's this process. And I feel like copywriting is one of those things where people are like, I don't know how to do that.I'm not a copywriter. I'm, I'm a designer. I'm whatever else. And it's like, okay, but if you had to, what would this headline say? Oh, would probably say something like. Okay. Like, that's probably 70% there, you know? And then like if you had to write a better one, what would it say, oh, maybe it'd be this, you know?And, and that being able to jump in, like, you'll find often that you're competent, even before you're confident in those skills.So, you've got the podcast. Well, actually really quick. You said something about the podcast that you said, you mentioned seasons. how do you think about, doing in seasons and how does that fit into like your workflow,Charli: [00:11:06]Yeah, I wanted to do it in seasons because this is actually my second podcast. I have one called design life that I've been running with a co-host for years. And that is not one will seasons. It's sort of like an every week thing. Although we are on a break at the moment, and INathan: [00:11:19]Like a Ross and Rachel style break or what kind of break.Charli: [00:11:22]Uh we're on like a summer break.Nathan: [00:11:24]Okay. Okay. So everyone knows you're on break. It's not you think you're on a break and your cohost doesn't you areCharli: [00:11:31]Yeah, exactly.Nathan: [00:11:33]I've been watching friends lately. Can't help it .Charli: [00:11:36]So, I knew that I wanted to do Inside Marketing Design and seasons because of just how much work it is to do podcasts constantly. I thought I could package, like have my goal was 10 to 12 interviews. To correlate them into a season and also do a wrap up episode at the end of the season, just covering some of the things that I learned.Some highlights, things like that to tie a little bow on it. And, yeah, I'm starting the prep work for season two right now. my goal is to do one season a year of yeah. 10 to 12 episodes eachNathan: [00:12:07]Nice. What I like about that is you're able to be deliberate about what you're committing to. You can start it when you actually have like energy and momentum towards Um and then it's also a fixed commitment.Charli: [00:12:22]YesNathan: [00:12:22]Saying, I don't know what the analogy is. Like you're not even hopping on the treadmill or if you are here, like this is a five mile brightener, this is a three mile run or whatever.Right. And then you're like, and then I'm going to hop off instead of being like, Hey, I'm gonna get on this treadmill and I'm going to do it until I get burnt out and regret doing it. And then I'll quit about three months after that.Charli: [00:12:42]Yup. Yup, exactly that. And I would compare it more to a marathon than a five mile run, but, you know, just get technicalNathan: [00:12:49]Some of us are more ambitious than So what's the, like, going back to the creator landscape, in your world, you've got the podcast. It seems like that is the main driver, the main source of new content, for, Inside Marketing Design. But you've also got a newsletter, a job board and then a book coming.So how do you think about the other other aspects?Charli: [00:13:13]Yeah. So, the newsletter I started, honestly, I feel like it was from something that I'd seen you write, talking like building up your authority on, it was probably in authority actually. Now that I think about it, building up your authority on a topic before you're going to release, you know, paid product about it.And so I thought, well, this would be a really great way for me to generate like a warm audience of people who interested in marketing design. If I start a marketing design newsletter, so it's called the marketing design dispatch and it goes out on Mondays and. It's sometimes it's like a little essay.Maybe it's like even a piece of writing that I've been doing for the book that I'm writing about marketing design, or maybe it's a deep dive into analyzing a new marketing website that I've seen a rebrand, something like that, as well as sharing content that has been useful for me or that I've seen around the internet.And yeah, I've had a good response to it so far. Cause I, I started just sending it out to my existing list and yeah, I gave people the option to opt out of getting it if they didn't want to. And maybe like a couple hundred people did that, but the most, the majority of my list is stayed around for it, which has been cool.Nathan: [00:14:19]Yeah. So how, how big is that list? And then where did that existing list come from?Charli: [00:14:24]Hmm. So the current list is 18,000 subscribers. I just did a big cold subscriber call the other day. up to like 24,000. And so you're my engagement graph and ConvertKit's looking nice and green at the moment. yeah, and the majority of my lists previously had come from one, I have this really popular YouTube video about DIY screen printing.And so people sign up to my list to get a free opt-in that has like a PDF written with the instructions. So those are the ones that, you know, probably went cult. Let's be honest, but I also have a couple of other opt-ins about creating a design system for marketing website. How to advocate for yourself as a designer, self promotion as a designer, just a few sort of like things of credit along the way, as well as just a general sign up on my website.So yeah, most people are there because they're interested in my content, I guess. yeah.Nathan: [00:15:15]And so probably a lot of that is coming from either Twitter. but the bulk of it being from YouTube. Is that right?Charli: [00:15:23]A lot from YouTube, also a lot from my own website and from Twitter, I would say. Yeah,Nathan: [00:15:28]Okay. So you've got the newsletter there and then this is actually something that I was really curious about, like why launch a job board that feels like another, you're already juggling a bunch of LikeCharli: [00:15:39]Great point.Nathan: [00:15:40]how does that fit in.Charli: [00:15:41]Yes. So the job board came about, honestly, because of the platform that I have it on at school palette, and it's a way that communities can create a job board to advertise roles to their community. So it's quite like create a focus and it's meant to be heavily curated. So it's not like you come to my board and you find any type of design role.It's like a job board specifically for marketing design and brand design roles. Yeah, it's my goal to have it be the place that if you're looking for that type of role, you can search on here. And if you're hiring for it, you come post on my job board because you know that I'm going to send it out to my audience of people who are interested in this topic.And like, it just feels like a good fit.Nathan: [00:16:22]Right.Charli: [00:16:23]Pretty low lift so far, honestly. So that's another reason why I took it on because it wasn't like I had to make the site myself or anything. Pallet has the system and, they manage the payments for the job postings and things like that. I just go in when one gets submitted and see if I want to approve it and it gets posted.Nathan: [00:16:40]Nice. Yeah, no Southern people. There's a creator who I hope to have on the podcast soon named Sahil bloom, who has. Couple of hundred thousand followers on Twitter, a popular newsletter and all of that. And he just locked, launched a board called bloom boards, think is a great, I chuckled, you know?And so it's just interesting as a business model, because right, when you have this audience of tens of thousands or, or even more, that's really what you're, you're selling access to. And it's interesting, you know, like I'm used to selling products to individual creators where $50 or a hundred dollars or $200 is enough money that people are thinking hard about it.But what's interesting about it. A job board is that especially when the tech world, where someone is like, Hey, can you help me find this person that I'm somewhere between a hundred and $200,000 a year? And so, like, I assume you're, I don't know what your experience is, but the willingness to pay for that product is fairly high and they're really paying for access to your 18,000 subscriber newsletter.Charli: [00:17:44]Yeah. exactly. And the, I also have a tier on the job board where you can choose to pay, like a much higher fee. And I mentioned it in a YouTube video as well, that goes out to my audience of like 200,000 on there. And so it like, yeah. Smart idea. No, one's taken me up on that option yet, but I hope in time they will.Nathan: [00:18:02]Well, if nothing else, it's there for like package it, like positioning in there of like, well, maybe we would dive in what are the price points right now at the time ofCharli: [00:18:10]Oh, shoot. I can't remember off the top of my head. let me look it upNathan: [00:18:15]Google it either. That's tooCharli: [00:18:17]I'm just going to go to my own job board. How about that? So I think it's, I think it's 300 for an initial, like just a plain posting, 500 for featured, which then has like a, you know, a special section of my newsletter as well.And then I believe I priced it at like 1200 for the one that includes the YouTube shout out, which is like in line with what I charge YouTube sponsors is actually a lot cheaper than what I showed you, shoot responses, but, you know, I figure it's a good fit and it's doing service to my community to be promoting it well.So,Nathan: [00:18:46]Yeah. that makes sense. Okay. So what was the research that you did going into, like, I imagine it was more than like, oh, palette looks interesting. Great. Let's add this monetization method.What went in as you, as you were seeing of like, okay, I have this community and a job board is the way that I want to monetize it because I saw these people do it, or I you knowCharli: [00:19:09]That was the reason why. Yeah. it was mostly my friend , who was my co-host on the design life podcast. She had started one with palette and I saw her doing, and I was like, oh, this looks interesting. Like, tell me more about this. and she said that pellet had approached her and explained the system.So yeah, I reached out to them, got on a call with them. They're super like new as a startup basically. And so, you know, we're in, on, on the ground floor and helping them along the way with building features and, you know, suggesting what to build that sort of thing in their slack group. yeah. And I just decided this makes more sense than trying to build a, maintain a website of my own because they are doing that work.And, you know, as someone who creates on the side of a full-time job, leading a team at ConvertKit, I, you know, want to have this be minimal effort on my part get it out there. So it just made sense.Nathan: [00:19:58]So you're not very far into this, right? OrCharli: [00:20:00]No, it was brand new. I've only had like one person pay to post so far. It's veryNathan: [00:20:04]Yeah, we're just getting started. And so maybe this is a better question for like some point in the future, but like, if someone was coming to you and saying like, okay, I have a newsletter of 10 or 20,000 subscribers is like, should I consider a job board as well? Like as a monetization method, what, what would your, perspective be at this.Charli: [00:20:26]Right. Yeah. I think that is a good question, but I can definitely answer now. I would say if you could, if your niche for your newsletter is super cool. And there's like a certain type of people who read it or that you're speaking to when you write it, it could make sense to have a job board. there was some initial effort for me in finding some jobs to populate the board with sort of it wasn't launching with nothing, you know, but from then on, it feels like very low commitment because it's mostly inbound, right?It's people coming to you to post. So it's not going to be worth it for you if you don't have perhaps the profile in the community yet to get those inbound leads or, you know, get people visiting your board so that you have the good stats to tell people about that. Yeah. If you do have those things, consider it as an extra income stream.I think it's smart ad like diversify where your income is coming from. that was a big thing that led to me. we haven't gotten to this yet, but last year I doubled the income that I made from my side hustles and having like multiple small streams is how I did it rather than having like. Giant successful stream, if that makes sense.So yeah, I'm considering the job board as part of that.Nathan: [00:21:36]Yeah. I want to get into the side hustles as well. maybe before we do that, let's just go right there. Now the, I guess the first thing that I'm curious about is you share all of your numbers transparently publicly, that I do as well. and you also dive in, like you have popular videos on, like salaries for designers, your own salary history.Like one of my favorite videos that you've put together as like here's the salary that I've had at every role, know, across myCharli: [00:22:05]Every raise that had throughout my career. Yep.Nathan: [00:22:08]Yeah. And so, why, why that level of transfer.Charli: [00:22:12]Nathan. I feel like you're fishing for compliments, even though you don't realize you are, but It's honestly it's. Cause I, I, I got a lot of value from reading your income reports, seeing people like pat Flynn's income reports as well. And it just, I think it, it changed my mindset on money. It just it's something that we are taught that it has a taboo around it.Right. And we all keep it secret for some reason cause everyone else does. And so we think we have to as well. And I don't know, I guess just seeing other people share and seeing the value that I got from it and seeing how it didn't change my perception of them, if anything, it made me respect them more.I was like, well, you know, I feel like I am confident in what I'm earning and I'm confident that I'm being paid, what I'm worth. So why don't I just share this history with other people and tell them about it? And yeah, since then I feel like I've slowly gotten more and more transparent and the latest income report on my blog is the most transparent I've ever been.And yeah, I, no regrets.Nathan: [00:23:09]It's something that comes up. Like the reason I ask the question other than fishing for compliments, which absolutely doing, like, know, on a payment. the reason that I ask is because I think so many people are so timid about it. And so I like to have more of a conversation, not about like, just the like bold, brave people who are out there doing it, but like just to try to normalize it so much more.And so I'm curious what have been some of the downsides, you there's always, there's gotta be at least some YouTube comments or some emails something. And so maybe we can, can share a little bit about what the, I guess the, the outside edge of like, Hey, this is the downside, rather than just telling everyone like, oh, it was fine,Charli: [00:23:53]Yeah, totally. And I would love to hear this from you as well. I've had YouTube comments on both ends of the spectrum to the salary video in particular, some saying, this is irresponsible to tell people this is their rate. They're going to set them way too low. If they go and asking for what your salary is, you're being underpaid, that sort of thing. probably the people who live in San Francisco and work at like a Google or a Facebook or something like that.Nathan: [00:24:16]Yeah. It turns out you make like 500 grand a year. Like something crazy. You, you have to sell your soul. That's the only, like, I think, but other that,Charli: [00:24:24]So I've had people. I've also had the people saying like, oh my gosh, that's like so much money. design is like way over valued. There's people who are like, you know, saving lives in hospitals.And I'm like, yeah, this is a fair freaking point. I won't swear on your podcast. Great point that maybe the answer isn't, we should pay designers less, but maybe we should pay doctors and nurses more, you know, let's take that approach to it. but honestly less of that than I expected is is what I've seen.Maybe, maybe those sort of comments are happening in a less public forum. Like maybe people are talking about me behind my back. I don't ButNathan: [00:25:03]Probably not,Charli: [00:25:04]Yeah, well, Who knows, but either way the, the people who I care about, I haven't heard that from, will say one interesting thing I noticed is that since sharing my salary history and things, whenever I like offer to buy my family dinner or like, I know it will be, I'll be like, oh, pay they protest less.Now we'll just say that.Nathan: [00:25:27]That was going to be my next question is how it interacts with family.Charli: [00:25:31]Yeah,Nathan: [00:25:32]And so now it sounds like they're just like,Charli: [00:25:36]It.Nathan: [00:25:38]We can split it or something, but they only say it once instead ofCharli: [00:25:41]Yeah, yeah, They don't protest too hard. What about you? What have been some of the, like the positives and negatives you've had.Nathan: [00:25:47]YeahI mean, lots of positives, because I feel like the more transparent you are, the more, I mean, the more people read your content and the more they enjoy it, more they understand you. and so the more they want to connect, like soon, the number of people who I really respect and I'm a fan of who have reached out and been like, oh, let's chat.And I'm like, you know, I like playing it. Cool. I'm like, Hey. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be great. I, you know, I've, I've like seen your stuff on Twitter and really it's like, no, no, I've listened to every episode of the podcast or like some version of that. Right. And it's like, be cool, Nathan, you know? so there there's been a lot of that on the downsides.Let's see. I would say this is more early on, right? Because they've been transparent with numbers for the last eight, eight years or so. but especially I got started in online business when I was really young. And so. in the communities that like, like friends from high school or church or, you know, or my wife, Hillary is friends like in those circles, a lot of people were much earlier in their careers.So there was a time that, you know, people were making 25, 30, maybe $40,000 a year in those circles. And then over here, I'm like, if you, if they ask me what I do, I'm like, oh, I'm a writer or I'm a blogger or something like that. But on my blog, I'm talking about how, like I made $250,000 lastCharli: [00:27:14]Yeah.Nathan: [00:27:14]Right. And so there were a few awkward times when those worlds like crossedCharli: [00:27:20]Yeah.Nathan: [00:27:21]And it was, yeah. But there was a long time ago.Charli: [00:27:24]Handle it when, when they did cross though? Like how did you handle the situation? Awkward conversations.Nathan: [00:27:31]Yeah. well I remember one person in particular is one of. We're not, we don't, we aren't very good friends with them anymore, not because of this, but just different apart, but it was, one of my wife's friend's husband, you know, it's one of things where like you go to a party and for whatever reason, everyone segregates by gender.And you're what, why did we do this? You know? ButCharli: [00:27:56]This a middle school dance? Yeah.Nathan: [00:27:58]It was one of those things where someone who was genuinely interested in learning online business and, you know, and that sort of thing in the group and like follow my blog and understood. It was like asking questions about like, oh, how did this latest launch go?And, and I was like answering the questions, but I was just getting this feeling of like awkwardness from this other person. And so it, like, I always try to be transparent, but like, I couldn't, I was struggling to reconcile like in-person Nathan with online Nathan at that time I was glad that that resonates.Charli: [00:28:34]Yeah totally. Yeah.Nathan: [00:28:35]It was totally normal to be able to talk about like a book launch or something, online, but to talk about it in person of like, oh, this made like $40,000 in the course of a couple of days was a really weird thing to say. So I like dance around it and kind of set it. And from this other person got like just a straight up like, oh, wouldn't that be nice to just like, send, you know, send an email and make all this money and not have to work for it.AndCharli: [00:29:05]Well, I just, I did the work in advance though, soNathan: [00:29:07]Yeah, No, that's not the moment where you're like, be like, well, let's take a step back and let me get out the let's explain leverage and how you build a life. You know, it's like wrong, wrong vibe. just kind of shut down. I didn't know how to navigate that situation.So I did it poorly, you know, like kind of laughed it off. Someone else like felt the tension in the group and like made a joke and took the conversation some other way, you know?That was probably the most like awkward scenarioI've ever had. I, I think I have the same thing that you do have, like family is now like, okay.Yeah, no, you can, that's fine. We'll let you pay for that. which is honestly one of my, like, I, I like paying for thingsCharli: [00:29:51]Same. I wouldn't offer if I didn't want to.Nathan: [00:29:53]Yeah, exactly. So, and my family has been, been fantastic about all that.Charli: [00:30:00]I think, another thing that, I've noticed is I dunno, like, I think if you're going to start talking about money online, you have to, you can decide how much you want to share. Right. Just because you're being transparent about something doesn't mean you owe anyone anything more than what you decide you want to share.So for me, I share my income and I shared my business expenses, like the content production expenses this year, but I don't talk about like, oh, here's all everything I paid in taxes, everything that I paid to like live my life, or I don't know. Like there's some things that I'm not interested in talking about online.And I don't know. I, I started out giving people excuses when they would like push for more and more and more. But now I kind of feel like I've given you a lot. You take that and run with it. it, it doesn't, it shouldn't matter to you. my answer when people ask me, well, how much did you pay in Texas?And I just say, I paid the correct amount. I mean, what, benefit does it have to you to know this? You're not living in my exact situation, so I don't understand like how it would help. So, know, I decided that's not a thing that I want to talk about and, I am fine with that. And maybe people aren't, but yeah.Nathan: [00:31:14]Yeah, I think that's a great boundary and that's something probably that I haven't talked about this on this podcast that I'm curious for your answer on is what boundaries have you set in your like personal versus like creative life. Right? Because there are definitely people who would look at you and I, and be like, oh God, I could never like put myself out there in those ways.Like, I would never show up on camera. I like, I wouldn't talk about my life. I wouldn't put things on the internet under my real everyone has these different boundaries. And so I'm curious, like, what are some of yours? And have you set those over time?Charli: [00:31:45]Yeah, I think over time, I've settled more into my content that I put out online, being very focused on my work and obviously who I am showing up to do my work, who I am as a designer, but I don't share a lot of my personal life online. I'll share like the odd Instagram story here and there, pictures of my cats, that sort of thing.But you're not going to find me for example, vlogging on the weekend being like, oh no, I'm just hanging out with my boyfriend watching formula one. You know, that's, that's not the kind of content I'm trying to make. I'm just trying to make design focused. This is my work. This is my process is how I get it done.Sort of content. I did used to, vog more of the personal side of things and it was fun. And it's fun to have those videos to look back on, but it's also a lot like it, as much as you try to live in the moment while also capturing it, your attention is always going to be split some way. And so, you know, that's just a decision I made was to take more time offline when I'm not working and just document the work as what I share has been a good, good split for me, that works for me and my life and my family.Nathan: [00:32:52]Yeah, that makes sense. I feel like it's something that people probably do, both what you and I have done of like, not really having those clear boundaries and then you just gradually figured them out andCharli: [00:33:02]Figure out what worksNathan: [00:33:03]Think there are people who, you know, have things like, oh, we'll never put, like my kid's face on online or something like that.Right. I think like has that, has where like the like certain clips there'll be blurred they're like, oh, they're walking through New York. Yeah, exactly. It's the back of the head. Or you're like, oh, there's a kid in a stroller that you can't really see, you and it's just interesting to try to try to navigate that.So I appreciate people who are intentional. And I think I just, haven't, there's a lot of things that I haven't figured out exactly. And you'll see how it changes over time.Um, cause I think we, you know, what you're comfortable with comfortable. You know what the YouTube channel of a thousand or 10,000 subscribers is different than what you're comfortable with it 200,000.Charli: [00:33:53]Yeah, And, that changes over time, too. Something I recently started doing this year is streaming my work, streaming Twitch and. I dunno, I'd, I'd been very resistant to doing live streams in the past because I was just nervous about what having people watch me design. Maybe it was imposter syndrome I was feeling, or I don't know, just worried about people judging me when they're seeing messy middle of the process, rather than me presenting like this final thing that I've finished and it looks great.And there's been, that was a fun challenge to overcome. Honestly, it's been a really fun way to build community over on Twitch. like diversifying my audience in a way from not just being focused on YouTube or Twitter, but, building small audiences elsewhere. It's been cool.Nathan: [00:34:36]Okay. So you said diversify, which is interesting. And I like that. do you worry about diluting your efforts in diluting your audience? Picking up another none other channel or platform.Charli: [00:34:49]Kind of, but also no. so I have this person in my mind who is like my creator idol. you've probably heard of her Jessica Hische. She is a designer, a letterer illustrator, and I'm just such a big fan of her work and in how she shows up online in that, she's just doing cool stuff all the time. Well, that's what it feels like anyway, like doing cool things, putting it out there, you wouldn't call her a blogger or a, I don't know, like just a speaker or just someone on Twitter.Like she's all of those things. and she just like shows up in different ways to share different pieces of her work. That's what I'm trying to do. I don't want to be known as just a YouTuber and lock myself into that. And I feel like I did for a while. And it's only really been probably in the last year that I feel like I've pulled out of that.And that's not how I mostly hear people describe me anymore. yeah, I'm just trying to finish show up online and share things and, yeah, maybe I could be more successful in terms of building a bigger audience if it was just focused on YouTube, for example, but that's not my end goal. Right. So it, it doesn't serve me.And I'm more interested in just being, being a well-rounded person. Like I call it a digital citizen. This is what I did my, honors degree project about some bit nerdy about it. But yeah, I like being a digital citizen and giving stuff to theNathan: [00:36:13]Yeah.I like it. Well, so maybe if we dive in a little bit on YouTube since that is where the bulk of your audience, know, has come from and, and all of that, what were the things like as you look back over the last, you know, 200,000 subscribers. What were the things that made the biggest impact any step functions and growth or, you know, particular videos or really just habits that paid off over time?Charli: [00:36:41]I think it's mostly been habits. Honestly. There's only one sort of, step point in my growth that I can point to is when I was featured on a list of the design channels to follow on YouTube. And that gave me like a big boost, butNathan: [00:36:55]how ofCharli: [00:36:55]YouTube. Hmm. I can't remember now several thousand, like more than what get.It was significant, like a difference inNathan: [00:37:03]when you were at like 10,000, 50,000.Charli: [00:37:07]I can't even remember now. I feel like probably around like 20,000 ish maybe.Nathan: [00:37:14]So we're talking a significant boost at this point. It'sCharli: [00:37:16]Yes,Nathan: [00:37:17]10%, 20%.Charli: [00:37:19]Yes, In like within a week sort of thing. Major that I started to see those numbers increase. but most of my growth on YouTube has been like slow and steady. Just like climbing up over time for the first five years of being on YouTube.You mentioned habits. I didn't miss a single week about bloating for five freaking years. I don't know how I did it now. I Ms. Weeks all the time now, but that really helped me get in the habit of making videos. Get in the habit of having an idea, figuring out how to express it, learning how to edit, putting it out there, getting a response, making a better next time.I think if I had stressed a lot about my first however many videos I made in those five years, I would have taken a lot longer to grow if I'd been trying to perfect each one. But instead I was just like, no, what matters is getting something out there? So I'm going to get something out there. and that, that was a huge part in building my consistent.Then the other thing I think I'd say helped is deciding who I'm talking to on YouTube. I started out making content about a bunch of different stuff and eventually it settled. No, the reason I wanted to make videos is to talk about design. I should stop talking about makeup and cooking recipes and stuff like that.And like, let's just talk about design. That's what I'm most passionate about. so yeah, going all in on that has enabled me to get posted on lists like top designers to follow on YouTube, that sort of thing, and become, quite a well-known design channel. Yeah.Nathan: [00:38:47]One thing that's interesting to me is that even in choosing that knee seat to go for design, you haven't gone. What I think most people would find the most, likely path, which is like a whole bunch of design tutorials. definitely have designed tutorials, but like, if I'm looking specifically for how to, I don't know, combined shapes and Figma, your channel is not the, like, you don't have video of, you know, exactly how to do that.You might introduction to Figma.That'sCharli: [00:39:17]I do.Nathan: [00:39:18]Yeah. And you might, I have watched that video. I was part of me switching from Photoshop Figma was watching your to videoIt's not hypothetical. but, but what's the reason for not habit, like not going tips or tutorial base.Charli: [00:39:35]Honestly, it's, it's what I said before about, how a lot of my content comes out is making the kinds of things I want to see. And what I wanted to see is the behind the scenes of people's processes and talking through like the decisions they made about a project, like why did they do something this way?That's what I care about more than the, how I feel like there's a million tutorials out there to tell you how to combine shapes and Figma or whatever. there's people who are passionate about that and who are really great at explaining things succinctly. And they do it a lot better than I could. And that's just not like the space I'm looking to fill.I want to show people. The real life of a professional designer, the projects that I work on, how I work on them, how I make decisions, the challenges I run into along the way, that's the kind of thing, but I'm looking to share and, and that sort of lens frames, all of my content, like not just on YouTube, that is also the newsletter, the book, the anything I tweet as well.It sort of all comes from this.Nathan: [00:40:32]Yeah, I think that's the Mo the best way to be long-term authentic and say interested in when you, what you're creating there, like practical side of me is like, but you could do that and have the tips and that would drive, you know, search results. And, and I feel like that's a tension that so many creators have, like, this is what I want to make.And this is what I know will also get me short-term results. Like, should I do both? Should I split my focus? Is that something you ever thought about or struggled with?Charli: [00:40:59]Yeah.That's why I have a Figma one-on-one video is because I know that that does do well in search. And I think that, I think I'm pretty good at explaining at an introductory level, a new piece of software to someone I wouldn't really consider myself a power user of any software. So you're not going to find like a advanced Figma tips video on my channel.Cause I'm not, I don't, I'm not really an advanced user. I'd do what I need to, but I think I'm really good at making, something that seems scary or new, like a new piece of software that you have to use feel easy to understand. And so that's, that's the gap I try to fill in that sense to appease the algorithm.Like right now I'm planning a web flow one-on-one video to sort of go along with this one-on-one series that I'm doing. and my hope is that people see that and then stick around for the rest of the more process driven.Nathan: [00:41:48]One way that I think helps bridge that gap for people sticking around for, for your content is that you put your personality and yourself in it. Right. We don't dive just into a screencast. you know, and it's like, you've heard of watch a video. Like I know I'm watching one of Charli's right?It's not like any other video that I just found through through search.Charli: [00:42:08]And I've comments about that. Nathan people have said like, oh, why is your face so big on the screen? It's always funny how the negative ones talk about you. Not to you say, why is her face on the screen so big? And I'm like, well, you're probably not going, gonna like the rest of my videos that are pretty much only my face.So it's okay that you don't like this oneNathan: [00:42:26]I don't know if you know this, but you're on my channel.Charli: [00:42:31]And I'm the one reading these comments. Yeah.Nathan: [00:42:34]Yeah. Yeah. That's that's good. If anyone was starting a YouTube channel today, either in the design space or something else, like what would you tell them? What would you, would you say as far as like that advice to kick it off?Charli: [00:42:46]I think ask yourself what is not being talked about or not being talked about in a way that you personally find useful or like a perspective that you personally have in the design space in particular, there's a lot of content about like how to become a UX designer, that sort of thing. So it's like, and it's probably the same for a lot of topics is finding your unique angle on it now is important that the number of the space is more saturated and leaning into your personality, because that is sometimes your point of difference is that there's only one of you.And then you have lived your experience and white has led you to this point. And that could be an interesting angle to put on anything that you want to teach or share. But so that, and also just get freaking started. People seem to like, I don't know, obsess over perfecting the video, set up in their audio.And I think it's Roberto Blake who says that your first 100 videos are going to like be. Not good. I, again, I'm not sure if we can swear thisNathan: [00:43:45]You can swear. That'sCharli: [00:43:46]Okay, going to be shit, Nathan, they're going to be shit. And so you should just need to get through them and like get in the habit of producing and getting used to seeing your face and hearing your voice.So yeah, if it's something you want to do get started sooner rather than later, so you can get that awkward stage over with faster.Nathan: [00:44:00]Yeah. Yeah. And then like gear and everything else. You just like gradually replaced thing at a timeCharli: [00:44:06]Exactly.Nathan: [00:44:07]And gradually upgrade it. he did something last year. No, I'm trying to think two years ago, I hate what is time anymore.Charli: [00:44:13]KnowsNathan: [00:44:14]You made a font and that's something that I like looked at.There's like normal people. There's designers, and this is the way that I think, and designers who can make a font. And for anyone who's just listening to the audio. I'm like doing stair-step things with myCharli: [00:44:30]Yes. You have to imagineNathan: [00:44:34]So that puts it in a category of like, I just think of that as an incredibly difficult thing and not like a great moneymaker, like there's a lot of difficult things are high difficulty and high rewards, you know, the effort versus impact, like you're at the top of both.Right. And that's the reason like, okay, great. You know, that's very difficult, but you did it and there's a high, high financial reward. I'm curious the way you thought about making a font, because the way that I see it is that it is very high effort in low financial rewards. but maybe the reward and impact comes some of the.Charli: [00:45:16]I would say, I definitely have not, I dunno, earned even a minimum wage in my sales yet from the hours producing the font. I'm just trying to edit it up right now. Cause it was, I was sold across a few different platforms, but I think I've earned about six, 2,600 pounds from it so far, is like not bad.I don't know what that is in us dollars. should I Google that quickly?Nathan: [00:45:40]Sure. Let's do it. be the episode where we Google everythingCharli: [00:45:44]3,606 us dollars is around about how much I've made from the font. So it's notNathan: [00:45:50]Any matter, a thousand hours into it. And so $3 hour. don't know.Charli: [00:45:55]But the cool thing about it is one. It was just a thing I wanted to do. I thought it would be fun to try. Cause I'm, I'm an avid like font collector myself, and now it is my passive income. Like I, and, yeah, the bulk of that income has come in the past year where I've done minimal marketing for the font.I'll like tweet about it or share whenever someone else, someone posts like an image of them using it. but there's not been a huge concerted effort gone into that. And so that's kind of cool. It feels it's my first passive income that I feel better about than ad sense, for example, cause this is the thing created and I don't know.It's more intentional.Nathan: [00:46:35]Well then you also get to see it in use around the oh, that's my fault.Charli: [00:46:41]Yup. Yup. It's really fun. It's it's especially cool because I just created it as a hand, drawn looking font, but people very quickly just started using it as a font to annotate designs because it does look handwritten and yet it is also like highly readable.And so I really leaned into that as the, like in the way that I frame the font now and the way that I market it is. Yeah, this is to annotate your designs in a really clear and legible way that still looks and written. And we even use it on the convert kit website.Nathan: [00:47:11]Do it comes full circle.Charli: [00:47:12]Yes.Nathan: [00:47:15]On that note. I want to talk about the intersection between having a full-time job and life as a creator, because I think people would, would think of it as, oh, I have this, and then maybe I have this one side hustle or I ha like ha and, and you're able, I think, through the leverage that you've made with, like coming into the job with a, you know, established audience and habits and everything, you've been able to build, you know, like a small design empire.And so I'm you think about balancing those two things and, and what you'd say to someone else really, who is like straddle.Charli: [00:47:54]Yeah, I think I'm getting clear on what you want from these two worlds. It's important. So for me, it really matters to me that I'm still designing. And so, that's why I, and like contributing to a project that's bigger than just like my own. That's why I like working at ConvertKit. I do not enjoy freelancing, so like, it would be hard for me to really fulfill fulfilled, I think freelancing right now, anyway, who knows that could change in the future.That's why I am not interested in going full-time on the creating side of things. And so knowing that means I have okay. I'm no I'm going to work a full-time job. And I know that creating is also important to me, all this content that I'm making. I don't want to give that up either. So how do I do them both?How do I figure this And it's just been a, a constant, constantly changing, I dunno just way that I get this done when I was, I don't know when I was younger, like, I dunno, five years ago, I used to wake up super early in the morning and do a few hours video editing and things like that on side hustles before starting the day, I feel like I'm older and tired now, and I do that.But what I do now that I am earning income from my side hustles is pay people to help me. So I pay for editors. I pay for, yup. Video podcasts, editing, some VA's who helped with my bookkeeping and content management, uploading that sort of thing, just so that I can really keep the parts I enjoy to do myself and hand off, as much as possible of the stuff I don't enjoy.And it's been a worthy investment for me because of, yeah. It making it sustainable.Nathan: [00:49:31]Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. don't know if you posted this in slack or in, on Twitter, as I mentioned it somewhere else, but there's a video that you were editing recently yourself. And that was a bit of a, I don't know, not a wake up call, but I was like a reminder like, oh yeah, this is a lot of work.Charli: [00:49:50]that was one that I wanted to edit and then put out like two days later. And so I knew my editor wouldn't have time for a quick turnaround like that. So I was like, well, I'm just going to do it myself. And I'm like, oh, okay.I remember why I outsourced this.Nathan: [00:50:04]Yeah. That's even outsourcing something that like, you know, well and are good at done for many years. But I think what you've found in that, or, I mean, the point that I want people to take away is like, you can actually create really a lot, if you set up the systems you're willing to let go of the things that you're skilled at, but don't like, they're not the thing that makes the content, know, like maybe if, you and I were filmmakers, right.The editing and having just perfect. Right. That would be part of it where we're like, oh, wow, that was incredible. Right. But, but like we're, we're teaching content, we're sharing things. It needs good editing, but it doesn't like, that's not what makes her break the perks of the video. And so outsourcing that allows you to create so much more content.Charli: [00:50:52]Yep. Exactly. And that's often my answer when people say like, oh my gosh, how do you do it all? I'm like, well, I pay people to help me. That's how I do it all. I don't do it all myself.Nathan: [00:51:01]Yeah. When you sit down like a video that you're making in a given week, I don't pick a video. I'd love to hear kind of what your process is like. Do you just sit down and flip on the camera and start talking? Or are you writing a script first? what's your process? Like how much time does it take?Charli: [00:51:17]I these days, honestly, we do tend to write a script when it's a video. Like, oh, let's say for example, a recent one, I uploaded was one explaining the differences between, I think it was five different job titles and tech that you often see. that is one that I sat down and wrote a script for first, when I film it, I don't necessarily, I don't use a teleprompter and I don't necessarily read the script word for word, but it helps me process my thoughts to write it out first.Sometimes I find when I do a video, that's just bullet points. It takes me a lot longer to film because I end up like talking about something and then I'm like, no, I don't like the way I phrased that or we'll go back and like repeat it a bunch of times. so yeah, getting that out of the way first actually speeds it up for me to spend a bit of time writing.And yeah, I have my filming —set up like this background, if you're watching the video version of this podcast, is just where I do my filming. And that makes it pretty easy to just set the camera up, turn it on and film. I generally like to fill more than one video at a time as well. Cause if I'm going to like, I dunno, put lipstick on or something, I want it to be worthwhile.Nathan: [00:52:20]Sense. What you were saying about writing the script made me think of back when I was doing like designed to tutorial content. What I would often do is I would, I would know roughly what I was going to make or like the tip I was trying to share or whatever. And I'd have like, An idea of like, here's the fake app that I'm going to do it or any of that.Right. and I would record the tutorial and end it and I'd look at it and say, it's like a Photoshop tip and it's five minutes long. And then I would set that aside. Wouldn't delete it, but like, I'd set it aside. And then I would reset my like new Photoshop document or whatever. And I would record the exact same tutorial again.And I would look at it if the first one was five minutes, the next one was three minutes. And like, and I never wrote a script or anything, but just the action of like doing it twice. It was so much better the second time. And that's what I found was such an efficient process because, it still came across naturally, but I like avoided the random rabbit holes that I went down the first time where you're like, you're talking to, like, this is no longer useful.Should I edit this out later? You know,Charli: [00:53:28]Yeah. Totally. That's I do that sometimes as well. When it's more of a, off the cuff video, I'll, there's been times where I've been like, you know what? I got to the end of my, 30 minutes of footage. And I feel like I should record this again to make the edit process easier. And like, so that I'm more clear on what I said and what I didn't.Nathan: [00:53:46]Right. Yeah. Cause easier to get clear in the recording in a second than it is for your editor to be like, okay, the three of this plus version four of that one, like there we go. And we're going to do a jump cut here. So it seems likeCharli: [00:54:01]Yeah.Nathan: [00:54:03]That'd be great. Don't worry about it. are there times that the full-time role and you know, you'd like your side work as a creator, like those have conflicted?Well, I think that people are wondering like, oh, that's, that's great that it magically all works. I'm happy for you. I'm be happy to share examples as well at times, like that with me.Charli: [00:54:21]Yeah.I think that's a really good question because it is often the impression I think that we give across, or that I give across to people. and I find myself in weird situations where I'm convincing someone that my life is not perfect, which is weird, like find yourself but no, you're right, totally.There's I think why it comes across, like it all works is because I lean into the moments when I do feel motivation. And I do have time to like batch film a video. Like I haven't filmed a video for a month and there's still been content going out on my YouTube channel because I filmed it when I had time.And when I felt like doing it. but yeah, there's definitely weeks where. I can't get what I would like to done on my side hustle, because I know that I have to put my job first and I just have to like, accept that that's part of the, like, it's like a compromise you make in deciding to do them both and deciding create on the side means that I'm never gonna be able to produce as much content as someone who does it full-time can, or like take on every opportunity that someone who creates full-time can.And I just have to be okay with that. Right. And if I start to become not okay with that, that's when I need to like check in with it myself and be like, well, what do I really want to be doing here? Yeah.Nathan: [00:55:36]Yeah. I think that one way that they worked really well together is like different creative energy.Like I've spent so much time recently on like, where we're going as a company, you know, it's like all these high level things. and very little time, like as a creator, is core to who I am.Like if I were to, you know, write down some identity statement, like writer would be pretty high up in there, you know, writer, designer. and so if I get too far away from that, I find that, You know, I start to feel like disconnected from who, who I am at my core, but at the same time, like ConvertKit as a company does not need me to be a designer like there.In fact, I often cause more problems. If I jumped into let me design this for you. then, Al for someone else on ourCharli: [00:56:28]It's you didn't use the design system.Nathan: [00:56:31]Exactly like, hi, let me show you. Remember how I showed you the whole thing and how you didn't use any of it. And now this is really nice. and so doing something on the side.Yeah. Like I did a, I started a newsletter just talking about money, like, and doing that on the side has been like a really motivating, like get, has given me creative energy, even though it's an additional thing. The important distinction is that I had to make sure that it wasn't like a treadmill that I was signing up for. so it's like going back to, you know, a season of Inside Marketing Design, right? Yeah. I have energy. It's going to go towards this and then it's going to go on pause. and then also like setting it up. So it's, it's evergreen, right? So instead of sending, a broadcast every Friday morning, you know, I set it up.So it's an automation and convert kit and, you know, it's emails one through five and they just go out automatically. And when I have energy, I come in right. And like, you know, the next email is already ready to go and I'm working on one of a few later. and then I know that if at any point I stop, like here's this asset that people can keep buying or signing up for, and using, and that like it basically the it'll live on there's the system itAre there other things where, where you're doing that or other rules that you have in that.Charli: [00:57:54]Yeah.So maybe a rule that I have is, I was finding myself, spending a lot of time, like reading emails and reading about sponsorship opportunities and like partnership opportunities from companies. And often I would like, feel like I should explore every avenue. Cause like if someone who's offering to pay me money, right?Like who am I to say no to that? I should do my due diligence and check it out. You'd get a few emails in and it would turn out their idea of a sponsorship was like much lower than what your idea of responses. It was the company wasn't a good fit, or I don't know, you didn't love it. and so I just decided that I'm not going to even entertain the idea of a sponsorship from any company tool, brand, whatever that I don't already know and use, and like using myself.And that's just made it really easy. I just have like a text expander auto response that I can just quickly put in to send off to the people who, offer me sponsorships that I, you know, have never heard of before I don't use.And it, sometimes it hurts to like, think about leaving money on the table in that way, but I just have to hope it pays off longterm in that I'm making those much choices with sponsorships, you know?And that there's only one of me and I'd rather be creating than emailing a random companyNathan: [00:59:08]Yeah, you made model to help you make that decision and actedAnd freed up. Not only, you know, if people talk about like, you only have so many decisions you can make in a day you know, what font to use for this heading is one of those, you know, like we make a ton of decisions that you're just like, look, that's a whole series of decisions that I'm not going to make. And that frees up creative energy for other things. Cause like, should I take the sponsorship or not? It's not like a creativeCharli: [00:59:37]Yes, exactly.Nathan: [00:59:38]Business admin question, that's not.Charli: [00:59:41]Yeah. totally. And, another thing that I'm in the middle of right now, I said before the design life podcast is having a summer break. I'm also taking a bit of a summer break from my newsletter, from videos to allow the space to work on season two of Inside Marketing Design. and also to spend some time writing my book, which is completely like fallen by the wayside over the past few months.You know, got out of the habit of it

Diese Folge widmet sich der Frage, wie man das eigene digitale Projekt nutzen kann, um die Karriere in Schwung zu bringen. Portfolio-Stücke, Kontakte knüpfen, Buchverträge und Co: Unsere Inspiration kommt dabei von den Illustrator*innen Jessica Hische, Lauren Hom und Andy J. Pizza. Jessica und Lauren haben jede Menge kreative und verrückte Passion Projects umgesetzt und Andy leitet seine Karriereratschläge und -methoden von Videospielen ab. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:38 Projekte von Jessica Hische 03:45 Projekte von Lauren Hom 09:45 Projekt vs. Praktikum 12:22 "Be your own proof of concept" 13:39 Creative Side Quests und Reverse Engineering Links: Vortrag von Jessica Hische über ihre Projekte Podcast mit Lauren Hom über ihre Projekte Skillshare-Kurs von Andy J. Pizza re Creative Side Quests meine Course Notes zu Andys Kurs meine Book Notes zu "The Working Woman's Handbook"

I'm so happy to be speaking with Hollywood actress, from NCIS LA, Renee Felice Smith!  In this episode we are talking about FUR BABIES!  Renee has written the sweetest book about her late Frenchie, Hugo, called Hugo and The Impossible Thing.  In the book she shares a heartwarming story of how to conquer big challenges in your life! This book will be a favorite for your kiddos!!   In this episode we talk about: Why she wrote the book and how Hugo's fight inspired her The team of “helpers” that saved Hugo and how they are represented in the book Her departure from NCIS LA What the future looks like for Renee with acting and writing For a sneak peak inside the book, go to www.parent-toolbox.com      About Renee Felice Smith Renée Felice Smith – acclaimed actress, producer, director and writer – recently released her debut children's book HUGO AND THE IMPOSSIBLE THING via Flamingo Books/Penguin Random House, which was inspired by her real-life French Bulldog Hugo and his battle with a brain tumor. Additionally, Renée can be seen playing the role of Nell Jones in NCIS: LOS ANGELES, where she has some great Nell-centric episodes airing this month/in the upcoming months. HUGO AND THE IMPOSSIBLE THING (on sale March 30) is a gorgeous gift book with an inspiring, heart-melting message: That nothing is impossible. This is a picture book that people of all ages can relate to (whether it's overcoming fears with the help of loved ones, instilling valuable life lessons, etc.) and is also great for graduation season. With gorgeous illustrations, children and parents alike will root for Hugo (readers of Loren Long's Little Tree and Jessica Hische's Tomorrow I'll Be Brave will love it!).   Renée Felice Smith wrote and directed her first feature film, THE RELATIONTRIP, which is now available on Hulu. In 2017 THE RELATIONTRIP won the Dallas International Film Festival Grand Jury Prize and was nominated for the Nashville Film Festival Grand Jury Prize as well as SXSW Adam Yauch Hornblower and Gamechanger Awards. She is currently developing television projects with FX and Awesomeness TV. Renée's additional credits include IT'S ALWAYS SUNNY IN PHILADELPHIA, GO FISH, YOUNG(ISH) (which won the 2013 Long Island Film Festival Nell Shipman Best Directors Award) and DETACHMENT, among others.   Follow Renée!  https://www.instagram.com/reneefelicesmith/ https://twitter.com/reneefsmith https://www.facebook.com/ReneeFeliceSmith/   Thanks for listening! It means so much to me that you listened to my podcast! If you would like to purchase my book or other parenting resources, visit me at www.yellingcurebook.com    With this podcast, my intention is to build a community of parents that can have open and honest conversations about parenting without judgement or criticism.  We have too much of that!  I honor each parent and their path towards becoming the best parent they can be.  My hope is to inspire more parents to consider the practice of Peaceful Parenting. If you know somebody who would benefit from this message, or would be an awesome addition to our community, please share it using the social media buttons on this page.   Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a note in the comment section below!   Subscribe to the podcast If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe on the podcast app on your mobile device.   Leave a review I appreciate every bit of feedback to make this a value adding part of your day.  Ratings and reviews from listeners not only help me improve, but also help others  find me in their podcast app. If you have a minute, an honest review on iTunes goes  a long way! Thank You!!

What's that? A BONUS episode! Yes, it's true.  Season 1 might be over, but we're still feeling inspired by all of the artists and creative people who shared their time with us and engaged in super enlightening and wisdom-filled conversations. In this bonus episode, we take clips from each of the 22 episodes in season 1 that highlight the conversations that we had with the artists to whom we talked. Then, we provide brief commentaries about what we think are the biggest takeaways and elaborate to connect the through-lines that tie all of these amazing conversations together. Of course, these 30 second or 1 minute clips do not fully encapsulate all of the incredible things these artists or creative people had to share, but we think they'll give you a pretty good idea! Thank you SO much again to Judith Lemmens, Alex Garant, Autumnalwood, Peter Nevins, Allison Filice, Andy J. Pizza, Beau Stanton, Jessica Hische, Lilly Maetzig, Charles Clary, Aaron Draplin, Julia Rothman, Hollie Chastain, Demas Rusli, Benjamin Lee, Steve Jaworski, Dan Berry, Ben Eine, Emily Ward, Daria Hlazatova, Kate Davis, Sage Perrot, and Meghan Hildebrand for sharing your experiences, knowledge, and wisdom with us. Because of your artistic kindness, we will surely all be much better artists and people! And, thank YOU for listening! If some of the highlights in this bonus episode pique your creative interests, don't forget to go back to that episode afterwards and listen to the whole thing! You will not be sorry! Keep your eyes open for new episodes for next season in the future by following us on Instagram @SCHSvisualart. If you have any questions or artist suggestions for next season, email us at schsvisualart@gmail.com. Thank you! ---------- Background music is "Backdrop" by Blanket Music

This week, Jessica (@jessicahische), lettering artist, author, and professional procrastiworker, talks about knowing when your freelance job is your full-time job. We get in the weeds with artist reps and making connections to people at places that want to hire you and, more importantly, work that people know how to hire for in the future. In the end, we agree to not worry about having your shit together in five years; it’s not a race to the top.

For folks working in IT, one of the situations we find ourselves in these days is fixing, upgrading, refurbishing, or replacing the PC's of our progenitors. The machines of our matriarch and patriarchs. The computers of creators. The Tech of our... well, you get the idea. But do we HAVE to? What I mean is, are we obligated by the bonds of family honor and respect, not to mention religious mandate, to make sure their desktop, laptop, tablet and pad are in tip-top shape? In this episode we're going to explore the ramifications of the commandment to honor our parents and whether that means we have to support their aged Windows 95 systems. Listen or read the transcript below. Leon (00:32): Welcome to our podcast where we talk about the interesting, frustrating and inspiring experiences we have as people with strongly held religious views working in corporate IT. We're not here to preach or teach you our religion. We're here to explore ways we make our career as IT professionals mesh or at least not conflict with our religious life. This is Technically Religious Leon (00:54): For folks working in IT. One of the situations we find ourselves in these days is fixing, upgrading, refurbishing, or replacing the PCs of our progenitors, the machines of our matriarchs and patriarchs, the computers of our creators, the tech of our... Well, you get the idea, but do we have to, what I mean is are we obligated by the bonds of family, honor and respect, not to mention religious mandate to make sure their desktop, laptop, tablet, and pad are in tiptop, shape. And this episode we're going to explore the ramifications of the commandment to honor our parents and whether that means we have to support their aged windows 95 systems. I'm Leon Adato and the other voices you're going to hear on this episode are my partners in podcasting crime. Josh Biggley. Josh (01:36): Hello. Hello. Leon (01:37): Along with frequent guest, Al Rasheed. Al (01:40): Hello everybody! Leon (01:40): and a new voice to the podcast. Kevin Sparenberg. Kevin (01:42): Hello and thanks for having me. Leon (01:44): Thank you for being with us. And we're going to kick off the show like we always do with uh, some shameless self promotion. So Kevin, being the Technically Religious newbie that you are, go ahead and tell us a little bit about yourself. Speaker 5 (01:56): So my name is Kevin Sparenberg. I am the technical content manager for community at SolarWinds. I am found on pretty much all social platforms at a, @KMSigma, K M S I G M A. I have a blog at blog.kmsigma.com. I am officially a lapsed Catholic. Uh, my wife was the good Catholic and basically a Bible church Christian. Leon (02:17): Very nice. Well, welcome again to the show. Al. Tell us, uh, what do you doin' these days? Al (02:22): So my name is Al, and as you pointed out, I am a systems administrator for a federal contractor here in the Northern Virginia area. I'm pretty active on Twitter, so you can find me best there in terms of social media, Al _Rashid. Uh, there you'll also find in my Twitter profile the URL for my blog and I am a practicing Muslim. Leon (02:42): Very nice. Josh, what's up with you these days? Josh (02:45): Oh, well, lots of things. Lots of things. Josh Biggley, I'm an ops strategist at New Relic. You can find me like Kevin on almost every social media platform using Jbiggley. I do not have a blog and I am officially as of December, 2019, uh, an ex Mormon. Leon (03:04): and I'm still not sure whether I say congratulations or, or something else for that. Josh (03:08): There's gotta be a hallmark card someplace. Leon (03:11): Absolutely. So I'm in Cleveland, so American greetings probably has something for it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And just rounding things up. Uh, I'm Leon Adato, I'm a head geek. Yes. That's actually my job title, head geek at SolarWinds, which is neither solar nor wind because naming things is hard. You can find me on the Twitters as we say, just to trigger Kevin Townsend's daughter, uh, on the twitters @LeonAdato I pontificate on all things technical and occasionally religious at adattosystems.com and identify as Orthodox Jewish and sometimes my rabbi lets me identify that way also. Yeah, before we dive into the show, um, just because we are, you know, in the world that we are in right now, I want to, I want to do a really honest check in how, how's everyone doing? Kevin (04:03): Are we going to use the stabby to lottery scale? Leon (04:06): I, you know what, let's do that. Let's, you know, you know, on a scale of one to five where five is I won the lottery and one is I'm feeling very stabby, how are you doing? Kevin (04:15): Uh, I'm, I'm hovering at a good like two, five, like I'm doing okay, but I'm not pleased. I've realized something that my wife has broken about me is I actually like seeing people in person and the level of isolation is just starting to kind of hit me slowly. Leon (04:31): Oh, got it. Okay. Al, how about you? Al (04:36): uh, I, I didn't win the lottery. I'd probably say between a three and a four. Um, things could obviously be worse. We hope they can get better sooner than later. Uh, the biggest challenge for me personally, or as a father I should say as a parent, is just trying to keep the kids occupied and engaged and remain positive while, you know, we've been stuck at home just like everybody else. Leon (04:58): Yeah. I think a lot of parents are in that same position where, you know, it's, it's week number four or five depending on what your region of the country has done and, and every rainy day activity that you had is done and you're sort of scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to figure out what else are you going to do when summer is looming. Okay. Josh, how about you? Josh (05:18): You know, this week I'm going to rate myself at about a four. Um, you know, I've, uh, I made some changes this past week. I started getting up earlier, forcing myself to get out of bed because, you know, it's real easy to, uh, stay in bed until, you know, eight or 8:30 and then, you know, grab a quick shower and bring your breakfast to your desk. I don't advise that it's really bad for your, uh, you know, for your work life balance. Uh, and, uh, in case anyone forgets, I live on an Island. So a couple of weeks ago we actually shut down, um, all ports of entry. So you can't cross the bridge, you can't fly in. The only way you can get across as if you live here or you're a deemed essential worker. And yes, we are turning people away at the border. So we're really fortunate on PEI and that we have a 26, uh, confirmed cases of covid 19. Um, of that only three are active. We've had no deaths and no hospitalizations and no evidence of community transmission. So really good to live on an Island that we're, we're very fortunate up here. Um, I mean, our, our worst complaint is, uh, you know, Oh my goodness, I, I'm living a dog's life. I'm getting up, I'm eating my, I'm taking a nap. I'm pooping and I'm going back to sleep, Leon (06:28): or an infant. Right? Or is the order the order doesn't matter. Oh no, I'm sorry. Between bed and pooping, it's very important to get those in the right order. There's a couple of places where orders are important. Okay. And I, for me and my family, we're, we're around a four. But, uh, as I mentioned before, we started recording Passover just finished. Um, and that was really taking a lot of our attention. And so with that finally, uh, you know, behind us, I think that this is going to be the first week that feels like not normal life because we were so focused on cleaning the house getting ready for an eight day holiday and things and being in an eight day holiday, you know, four days of which were offline. So you know that now we're going to see what you know, what's it really like. Leon (07:18): Um, and I also want to take a minute, although I know that these episodes are timeless. Uh, it is April 19th, and I want to wish people who observe it a happy, uh, post Passover and counting of the Omer, a happy post-Easter and an upcoming, uh, Ramadan Mubarak. So, you know, we are not yet problem. So yeah, it's, you know, some of us are trying to lose the weight that we gained and meanwhile, Al and, and his family are trying to bulk up in preparation for a month of fasting. Al (07:51): I think I've done enough bulking up in these last few weeks. So hopefully uh.. Leon (07:55): You've been training for this your whole life. I get it, I get it. With those things, things behind us. Um, I want to start off with what I'm calling talking 0.0 in this talk. And that is, uh, just to say upfront that while we are talking about parents, we are not necessarily talking about our parents unless we explicitly say, my mom or my dad did something. Leon (08:18): We are using fictional examples. So mom, as you listen to this, I'm not talking about you unless I say I'm talking about you, so please don't worry about it. Um, because we're not really here to spread gossip or make our parents feel insulted or give them a reason to feel embarrassed in any way. So I want to put that up front. And the other thing I want to point out is that we know lots of people have parents who are incredibly tech savvy. You know, some of us are lucky enough to have parents who still know more about tech in it than we do. Um, I, I've seen on Twitter and other places where the inevitable joke about how to get your mom to use her iPhone is like, my mom teaches computer science classes and probably taught, you know, you and your parents both, you know, and that kind of thing. Leon (09:00): So we know that there's lots of parents who are very tech savvy. Um, we're not playing on that old trope. What we want to focus on in this episode is the boundaries of sort of the filial obligation when it comes to us having skills that they don't, we could be talking about plumbing or you know, car repair or dog training or whatever, but you know, we're technically religious, so we're going to focus on tech because #geeks. With those disclaimers out of the way, uh, the first talking point, I think because we're in it, let's go ahead and define our terms. What does it really mean to honor thy father and mother? What are we talking about when we say that? Josh (09:40): I mean at this age or like when I was a kid. Leon (09:44): Well, I think now I think, I think kids, it's a lot more cut and dried, but I think as an adult, that's where, and especially again, because we're gonna be talking about fixing our parents' computer stuff and dealing with their needs as a user. And Al, you probably on the show have waxed the most eloquent about users. You know, users are always users. They are, they always have an opinion. But you've said a lot about whether their requirements are always valid and our parents are just as much a user as anyone else. Sometimes Al (10:14): how it can be a challenge, there is a fine line, especially as you just pointed out, one where adults, when we're parents, when we're husbands and or wives, um, you can't always be there for them. You want to provide as much as possible, but sometimes being honest and blunt and saying politely, no, I can't do it. It might sting a little bit at first, but if you build that solid relationship leading up until that point, both sides can get past it. Leon (10:42): Sure, absolutely. I still want to, I still want to focus on what does honor your father and mother mean though as an adult, what does that come down to? Josh (10:51): So I have an interesting perspective on this. Um, and it really is tied to my status as an ex-Mormon. Um, when I told my family and I was the first one to leave the Mormon church or the church that is currently using the term, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is their full name or LDS church, I called up my father and I said, Holy crap, did you know this stuff? And his response to me was, yeah, I did. My response is, why didn't you tell me? And he said, I didn't think it was important. And so when it comes to, yeah, right. So when it comes to honoring your father and your mother there, there is a, uh, a fine line and I think it comes, it's or is best articulated in that moment you have as a parent, when you say something and you're like, Holy crap, I am my parents. Josh (11:46): You, you know, that intonation the words. You're like, Oh my goodness, I have become, I have become my parents. Now that can be both a good thing and a bad thing. And honoring your parents is, for me is recognizing the things that are really powerful. Uh, one of my, I think one of my favorite LinkedIn posts that I've ever written is about my father and his level of honesty and the lengths to which he went in order to be seen as an honest and truthful man. Um, on the flip side, when we see things that our parents have done that are not in keeping with the things that we would want to honor moving beyond those things, as parents, as, as Al said, as husbands and wives as, uh, as members of community and doing good, to me that's honoring the name and it's something I always told my kids and I still tell them when they go out. Josh (12:39): I said, remember the things you do reflect on us as a family. So just remember that when you're out in the community and interacting with people and it doesn't mean you can't call BS, BS. That's okay. You know, you can't call in when you see stuff, say something. Right? It's not, it's not just for the department of Homeland Security. Quite literally. If you see something, say something and that's okay, but you, you know, you need to remember our name. So for me, honor thy father and thy mother, do the things that your parents did awesome - continue to do and the things that your parents sucked at, be better at that than they were. And, and so doing, you honor the name that you carry. Al (13:15): One thing that I took from Joshua's point is things do come full circle. So things that you saw as a kid, maybe you didn't necessarily improve or you didn't understand. But now here you are as a parent and you have to decide, do I honor my parents? Do I follow in their footsteps? How do I approach this? Leon (13:34): I want to offer a perspective from, from the Jewish point of view that honor thy father and mother, um, comes down to some pretty cut and dry things. The bare minimum in Jewish thinking is that you have to make sure that your parents have food, clothes, and shelter. That that's, that's what honor means. Um, and as long as you've done that, then you have fulfilled your obligation as a child. Now, there's, there's ways to express that honor, um, that aren't considered the bare minimum. You know, for example, when a parent enters the room, you should stand up. If you're at a meal, you should, uh, pour, you know, a drink for them, pour water or whatever. Um, you don't have to necessarily run to get your dad, scotch or your mom a scotch, but, uh, you should pour them a regular drink and things like that. Leon (14:22): Those are, those are ways that you express it, but that's not a requirement. That's simply an outward expression of the idea of honoring your parents. But at no time does the Torah or Talmud say in either medieval French or Aramaic or Hebrew that you have to fix their iPad. You're not required to. So again, when we talk about honoring your father and mother, there are some, there's some fairly explicit boundaries. Um, honoring your father and mother also does not, in Jewish thinking, require you to take abuse or bad advice. If it my parent. And so I'm Orthodox observant. My parents aren't. They never were. We became Orthodox just a few years ago. So if my, if my parents said to me, which they, they don't, luckily we have a good relationship as far as that goes. They say, you know, you know what, I really need you to come over on Shabbat. I really need you to do these things and honor your parent comes before that. You can say no, you can say no, no, that's not how this works. You can't, you can't leverage honor your father and mother for me to break other commandments. So you don't have to do that or take abuse or what have you. So all of that also falls into it. Josh (15:32): I mean, I feel like I honored my father when I told him to get an iPad. Right? And so my dad, my dad is a tinkerer. Uh, he, he is, uh, he tinkers and all sorts of things. Um, and he loves to tinker with technology. And I, I got tired of, I got tired of him having a broken computer. And finally one day I said, dad, you gotta buy an iPad. You're killing me. You gotta buy an Apple. Uh, and uh, and he has, and that is the one thing that is consistently the iPad just works. And you know, bless my parents, their, uh, my, you know, my mom is a [cough cough] years old and my dad is in his mid sixties. And um, I mean they, they're both pretty good with their technology, right? They've got the whole, you know, hold it with one hand and you know, press with one finger thing, you know, they're, they're not texting, you know, like my kids text. But it's cool. Right. But so my question for us then ultimately is how far do we have to go with, with fixing? Kevin (16:35): Well, I think it's a little bit of what everyone said, but for me it's been, I don't want to say it's been a struggle, but it's been a, it's been an ever-changing line. So obviously when I'm young, when I'm five, 10 years old, it's listening to obey near practically everything they tell me. But it's when I transitioned into adulthood, you know, and maybe some of that's being a teen is you, you stop listening or you fight back or whatever. And then when you finally get in to be an adult. And I think there's, there's kind of a, I can honor and respect my parents more now that they honor and respect me as an adult. And that's probably not the way it always should have been. But that's been the ultimate end of it. And I think you're right. I think there's, there's, there's the mid bar there is, and I think you mentioned, you know, uh, you know, making sure they have food and shelter and if that's the absolute bare minimum, great, but does that mean I take the time to still call them out on their birthdays? Do I still check on them every so often? And those are things that I do because I enjoy being as part of them. I don't do it as an obligation. If I was obligated to do it, I probably wouldn't do it too much teenage rebellion stored up. Leon (17:40): You're not the boss of me. Kevin (17:41): There's a lot of that. Uh, but I think there is, and I've become friends with my parents, which is good, which means if, and when I do have to tell them no, that's not a good idea. They acknowledge it. Josh (17:52): So I think ultimately the question that I have is how far does this honor thy father and thy mother go when it comes to tech support? Look, I love my parents. I don't always agree with them, but I'm not their tech support. Right. I have fixed their computer, I have fixed their printers. I have helped my mom with Excel formulas, uh, because she worked well into her sixties and was still doing, you know, reasonably complex Excel formulas, at least for, uh, someone who works in a administration and education. But like I said, I, I came to this point and I said, mom and dad, you just need to buy an iPad because I am tired of fixing your technology. Um, just, just don't touch that crap anymore because, I mean, I live across the country now. They live in Ontario and I live way out here on the East coast and I can't roll down to your house. Josh (18:44): And fix your stuff for you anymore. I mean, sometimes I think it means, uh, love me and saying no. Like I'm not going to keep that antiquated, whatever. And I know we're, we're geeks, you know, #geeks as Leon you said earlier. So we're talking about computers and not, you know, phones and you know, that old flip phone that your dad had, like those things. But, uh, it also means there are some things that we need to tell the parents to just let go of. Right. You know, classic cars. You should let go of them and they should come to me. Kevin (19:16): Subtle. You're good at subtle, Josh. Al (19:19): Your inheritance, nah, I'm just joking. Josh (19:22): you know, a old coin collections, uh, any, uh, bearer bonds of... I'm sorry. No, sorry. Sorry, mom and dad. There comes a point in time where we just need to say to our parents, okay, Hey, you know, I'm just, it's time. It's time to put that piece of technology to bed. Kevin (19:39): Yeah. But it's weird for me though because my father taught me computing like originally. So to then me have to turn around and tell my dad, yeah, uh no, I'm sorry you don't actually know what you're doing right now. And it's, it's not an all things, there's always like an edge case kind of thing. But being able to like be have that conversation with them was like, no, I'm sorry. That's not how operating operating systems work anymore. No, I'm sorry. That's not the way bioses work anymore. No, you can't look for your dip switches. They aren't there anymore and there's a conversation needs to be had there that my father has been thankfully very gracious about, but he could have taken an alternate viewpoint of, you know, you're my child and how dare you. Thankfully he hasn't done that, but I've also been able to, how do I say this nicely? I've been able to pawn off kind of desktop support on him than he does himself. Like he supports himself and my mother and when it's network level stuff, that's when I have to get involved. Leon (20:39): I think a lot of us who grew up at a certain point in time as far as the computer age, our parents, the first, uh, people who taught us computer because they bought them in the very early eighties, uh, my dad went out and got an Atari 400 computer and you know, there was a word processor and things like that. I was a better typist, but, uh, you know, he was the one who had the computer and he was the one who had the cash. So when it was time to get the 800 and then the 1600, he got it. And he was the one who got deep into it as a hobbyist. You know, and this is partly why we're having this, this episode is that I've spent, I'm now on hour number 40, upgrading my dad's piece, windows seven PC, and it's taken 40 hours because, uh, it's, it's a little older. It's okay. He got one of the most overpowered computers you could get about four years ago. It's no longer overpowered, but it's still powerful. Leon (21:34): But the components are all custom components that he paid someone to put together. Um, he got a, you know, super duper graphics card because, uh, Microsoft publisher needed it to create a PDF. And yeah, Kevin, to your point, like he keeps talking about dip switches and things like that. There aren't dip switches anymore. So I've been working for 40 hours to upgrade this and Windows seven simply won't upgrade. So I bought a SSD drive and I'm going to put windows 10 on the SSD drive, but I can't because he won't let me redo everything because he needs to get a replacement for his beloved paint shop pro. Kevin (22:16): and an in place upgrade, which goes for that age is not really a good idea. Leon (22:21): Yeah. And, and I, I give him credit because he grudgingly let me replace Outlook express a couple of months ago. Thunderbird. Yeah. Thunderbird. Thunderbird. Yeah. Leon (22:34): So the point is, is that, um, they, some of us have parents who might have been better than us at tech at one time because they were hobbyists. Um, but they're not anymore. And the thing that saved me was the fact that my dad is, was a hobbyist when it came to technology. He didn't have a whole lot of ego tied up in it. I think that if it had been something closer to his area of expertise, if, you know, if I had gone into music and we had had, I'd had strong opinions about, you know, the music scene or things like that, he might have felt a little bit more strongly. Who knows? He might've been more gracious about it. I don't know. Um, but it, thankfully being able to honor my dad means being able to tell him the hard truth and trust that I'm going to say this. He'll be adult enough to accept that hard truth. I think if I told him there is no replacement for Paint Shop Pro, which he's used exactly zero times in the last two years, um, he probably would be disappointed, but he, he deal with it. Al (23:42): Yeah. If I could, I'm actually in a unique situation. Um, both of my parents have never been in the tech growing up. Did they buy tech equipment for me? Laptops, desktop computers, yes. But they never themselves got into tech or had an interest in tech. Up until about maybe 12 years ago, I bought my mother a desktopm, set up a modern, this one, their spare bedrooms at the house, connected it to their, you know, uh, wifi connection and whatnot and she had no use for it. She couldn't acclimate to it. She found it hard. She found that a challenge and the time I spent, to your point, Leon, trying to assist her over the phone, trying to guide her on how to do simple tasks, it became kind of cumbersome and I didn't see this going any further or it becoming a learning experience. Um, my brother who happens to live about 20 minutes away from my parents, I live about an hour away. Al (24:37): He is my default tech guy when I can't get through to them on the phone. What I've done, what I've done is share everything with my brother via Google shared document in terms of how their network is set up at home, what their passwords are, what their usernames are, but they still found it cumbersome, more so my mother, about six or seven years ago or whenever the iPad was introduced, it seems like ages ago, these days, while we're sitting at home for weeks, I've gave my, I bought my mother and iPad and she's adjusted to it flawlessly. It's been a piece of cake, requires no maintenance. I don't have to struggle with her over the phone for hours at a time. And most recently during this covid shutdown or however you want to describe it, my, my kids and I, including my wife, we will call my parents on my mother's iPhone and have a FaceTime call because it makes them so happy they get to see the kids and vice versa. Leon (25:31): And I think that as, as IT pros, there's a couple of, there's a couple of lessons there. First of all, um, for every user, and this is both in corporate settings as well as in home settings, finding the, the form that works for the, for the application. And when I say application, I don't mean the program but I mean the use case, that not every use case is a desktop computer and not ever use cases, a laptop and not ever use cases, a ruggedized strapped to your wrist, Borg style computing device. But some use cases are one of those things. And figuring out the correct use case is as necessary for our family members as it is for, you know, the corporate environment. You know, trying to figure out whether this is a cloud based app or if this is better as a microservice or this is better as a on premises, you know, legacy, uh, application running on Cobalt. Al (26:26): Right? Absolutely. Yeah. And when I set up, if I could go back real quick, when I set up her wifi network at home, I created a simple SS ID. I tried to create, not necessarily a complex password, but kind of in between. That became a challenge. Trying to explain to them upper case, lower case, special character. even after I printed out everything for them as well and stuck it on the refrigerator so they can see it for themselves. And it just got to the point where, you know what, here's your password. It's ABCD, one, two, three, four, five, whatever and everything works fine. No, nobody heard that. There'll be those where they live either, but it just, it's a fine balance. You want to accommodate them, you want to create a comfort level for them. So they accept technology, but you don't want to be their full time geek squad employees. Leon (27:15): Right. And that was the other piece I wanted to point out is that again, as IT professionals, we have to recognize when the job is bigger than just us. Uh, my brother works in desktop support very much like you, Al. Um, when I can't get there or it's just something that, you know, I've, I've tried, I've tried to have, the conversation wasn't working. It's like Aaron, Aaron, can you please, please Aaron? So, you know, it was like you are going to owe me a steak for this. Okay, fine. I will buy you a steak for this. Yeah. Um, so, so knowing when you need to call in other members of the team and sharing documentation, absolute 100% sharing the documentation, all good things. Um, I do want to point out sort of one of those, on the other hand things where we say that, you know, the, our responsibility is IT pros doesn't necessarily require us to support our parents in their tech. Uh, Jessica, uh, I hope I'm saying her name right. Jessica Hische, um, has a very famous webpage. ShouldIworkforfree.com that you'll find in the show notes and one of the very few yes, Workflows in should I work for free? Is, is it your mother? So just as a counterpoint, should you do it, you know, 32 hours of labor and you can't make a flyer for my garage sale. Al (28:38): They can see me, but no, but. Josh (28:42): This reminds me, this reminds me of my, my neighbor who is well into her eighties, and every year around Christmas time, she calls me up and says, Josh, can you come upgrade my computer? And the very first time she called, I thought, Oh my goodness, what does she want from me? And what she wanted was for me to install the new antivirus for her. Um, and you know, and just make little tweaks, you know, she uses it for email and, uh, every year she sends me home with, you know, a box of chocolates or something else. It's, you know, you usually take it right into the hall... Hook them up by the, yeah. Actually hooked me by the belly. Right? It's more of the thing. Um, and it's, you know, it's a, a great symbiotic relationship that we have. Josh (29:32): It's usually an hour long, uh, engagement, but it, it, it brings to my mind who, because my parents don't live near me, who else should we honor? Is it just our father and mother? I know that in Christianity there's a, uh, a creed, uh, that's in the King James version, um, of the New Testament in Matthew 25 verses 40 and 45 says, "verily I say unto you, in as much as you have done it on to one of the least of these, my bretheren you've done it unto me." And then in verse 45, "Verily, I say unto you in as much as you did it, not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me." So, you know, if we do it to one of the people that we should honor, then we know we've done it to God. And if you don't do it because of whatever reason, you've also not done it unto God. And I'm just wondering in the other religious observances, uh, of our guests, like what do you do, right? Like is, is there an equivalent to the, you know, in as much as you have done it unto the least of these. Al (30:34): So in Islam, one of the five pillars is zakat. It's a duty to perform by all Muslims. Um, but it's more on the religious side. It's, I don't know how to, I'll try my best to be delicate with this approach. It's, it's about giving back, giving back to the poor, to the needy, to the less fortunate. I don't know how to make this, this comparison when it comes to providing IT or tech support. Like I said, just drawing the line and saying, when is enough enough? I've gone above and beyond, There's not much else I can do. Um, so on and so forth. Leon (31:09): And I think it's, it's analogous to the Jewish concept of tsadaka, which people, uh, translate inaccurately as charity. But the concept of charity is that I'm doing this out of the goodness of my heart to give. And that's not what tsadaka and I think in Islam, you know, zakat also the, the, the, the commandment or the, the deed of tsadaka benefits me, the giver. It doesn't benefit the, the receiver. In fact, the highest, the best form of tsadaka is where I'm giving and I don't know who's getting, and the person who's getting doesn't know that I gave, it's completely anonymous because it's not about giving and feeling some sense of largess it's to build, to cultivate the personal ethic of being a giving person. So I'm not sure that that zakat or tsadaka in, in Judaism necessarily. What I will say does, does match up is the idea of um, protecting or not afflicting the stranger among you, the widow, the orphan, the disenfranchise, which is mentioned in some people say 36 times, other people count up to 46 times in, in Torah or Old Testament that there's a mention of, you know, protect or do not afflict or take care of, again, the widow, the orphan, the disenfranchise, the stranger among you. And I think that that's more analogous. And that is if you, if you're going numerically, it's a much more important commandment to observe. Um, and so taking care of people around you in your community who can't do for themselves. Now again, Al, to your point, there's gotta be a line. There has to be a line at which I've given, but I can't give anymore. I can't be required to keep giving even though there are those who aren't. You know, if I was going to do free tech support for everyone in the community, I'd never, I'd never sleep Al (33:13): well, nor would you. Nor could you pay your bills. Let's be frank. There is a, it's not about finances or it's not a financial game. You're doing it because you're doing it out of the kindness of your heart. But eventually there are times where it's taken advantage of and you just have to say, I can't, I'm done. I can't do much more for you. Kevin (33:32): No, it's, it's funny though because I think, and this is tying back specifically to my parents is that, uh, for a number of years it was kind of, it was never mentioned. It was never spoken directly, but it was an, uh, in kind trade. So I would help my, my father and my mother with their computers, with their local network, with their wifi, whatever it was. And in exchange, my father would help me keep the cars running or teach me some stuff about how to do home repair and maintenance, you know, whether it's some plumbing or some electrical. And I think that when I mentioned earlier that kind of, there was a tipping point for me when, when my parents saw me as an adult that we could actually have this communication. Uh, almost like friends where my father saw that I was in need, that I as an individual, a member of his community, member of his family needed help with, you know, electrical or plumbing or mostly dry wall. Let's be serious. I can do the other two. Dry walls, I'm horrible at it. But, but my parents weren't able to do the computer side of it, including like building a machine from scratch, which my father literally hadn't done since about 85. I think it was a PS1 at the time. And I said, this is cool. Well let's order parts. And we built it together. So it was, you know, it was, he was honoring me as a son by including me in that project, just as I was doing the same. And each of us, it was a net gain for both of us. And I think that goes to the giving for the sake of giving is, is really about the giver. It's not about the recipient. Josh (35:06): There's one time where giving old technology is. Okay. Uh, and, and here's, here's the example about 18 years ago and I know because my wife was pregnant with our youngest child who is now 17, uh, my father-in-law who would often travel to Jamaica, found a school in St. Anne's Parish that he decided we needed to build a computer lab for. They, you know, they had, they had literally nothing. Uh, so not only were we going to, uh, build a computer lab, but we are also going to have to kind of refurbish this you rundown building, um, and put in desks and computers. Like the whole thing. And knowing that I, you know, was in the industry, I was tasked with designing and you know, helping to source. And so we ended up sourcing, I don't gee almost 20 years ago, I'm going to say, uh, 20 machines. Josh (35:54): We prepped them all, you know, packed it all into this big shipping container and shipped it down in Jamaica. And if you know anything about the wonderful Island of Jamaica, it is beautiful and everything operates at about Oh one eighth time. So what we thought was going to be, uh, you know, this quick. Hey, drop things off and then we'll fly down and we'll spend a week and you know, bigger thing. It took many, many months. What did we send them? Man, we did not send them the most cutting edge technology. We sent them the most simple technology that had been battle tested that we knew that was sitting on the desks in a hot, un-air conditioned room. It was going to keep running. It was the same technology, but at the time I used in a, an automotive plant, right? These machines that, you know, how do you fix them? Speaker 7 (36:40): You pick them up and you drop them and then the problem goes away, right? Like those are the kinds of machines that you want. So sometimes it is, it is okay to give technology that is fit for the purpose of is, you know, it's needed for in the case of these kids and this, uh, in the school at St. Anne's Parish, um, you know, they had these machines and I mean, I ended up sending my best friend out in my place because I couldn't go. And so he got a trip to Jamaica and I got a, a, a new child. Leon (37:07): Okay. Any final thoughts before we wrap this up? Josh (37:10): I want to, I just point out that across every, every belief, you know, and at the table today, we all come from a very different backgrounds and we didn't talk about, you know, Hinduism or Buddhism or any of the other isms that are of religious observance, but every one of them has this idea of giving because it is good to give, but also in giving because it is the honorable thing to do, you know, and you know, Christianity talks about giving a 10%, uh, you know, um, you know, Islam talks about, you know, two and a half percent. There's sure we can argue about the semantics of it, but the, the gist of it is you give, because it's an honorable thing to do. And, and I kind of think of it as this, I do a lot of what I do now, I've been in the IT industry for 20 years because I'm paying it forward. There are, you know, yeah, my dad was, my dad worked in sales. He wasn't a technical, a tech geek, but there are lots of people within technology. Uh, John Foster, I don't know, John, if you're ever going to listen to this episode, but he was the guy who said to me in my very first IT job, Hey, I'll hire you even though he had no reason in the world to hire me. He is the reason that I am still in IT today and that I did not go back to school to be a lawyer. I don't know if I should thank him or curse him,, but I'll definitely thank you. Okay. Okay, perfect. Definitely. But it's because of people like him that I'm successful. So honoring him by helping others, by giving to others. Uh, I think that that's very much something that we need to see continue in the industry and probably see more of in the industry that generosity, that pay it forward mentality. Al (38:53): Absolutely. It's good karma. You never wanted to come back and bite you in the rear end. And we do tend to see it more often than not in it. Uh, when you do good things good things come back to you and the same rules or the same philosophy should apply in our lives as well. Kevin (39:09): Yeah. I was just thinking that this seems so much like kind of where I came to be about five or six years ago actually about the time I started this job was that I realized that I like sharing knowledge that I like helping people out. It's a for a while I was, I was the bad it guy where I liked to hoard knowledge and I like to be the person who can answer the questions and then I realized that's, that's a one way street to loneliness and to basically self isolation and instead being able to actually say, you know what, let's come together. Let's talk about these things. Let's bring it all about. And being able to share that information, whether it's, you know, enough information with my parents to be able to do their stuff, enough information with my aunts and uncles when they're ready to buy a new machine. Let's not talk about scope creep when we actually support our parents because you know, their brothers and sisters will get in on that if, if we can't, if they can, they will. Uh, so there's a little limited you need to put there. But just being able to share stuff and being able to, as Josh mentioned, pay it forward. It's, if I'm able to help any one person do their job or help support their people a little better today than they were able to do yesterday, for me, that's a win. Leon (40:20): I like it. I'm going to play, I'm just going to be a little bit of a counterpoint here and remind people that especially in what's going on in the world today, the opportunities to volunteer, the opportunity to share, the opportunities to um, give that support, whether it's to your immediate parents or parent-like-neighbors or people who are of the same generation or Kevin, to your point to aunt Sally and uncle Bob and all that stuff. You know, the opportunities are many and that, um, you know, you also have to take care of yourself. That you have to balance the desire to, to give and the desire to share with um, your ability to give tomorrow. That, uh, to put it in terms of again, the concept of tsadakah, a great rabbi from the middle ages was asked, is it better to give 2, Oh, I'm going to put it in dollar terms. Is it better to give $200 once or $1 200 separate times? And he said unequivocably, it's better to give $1 200 separate times because after giving $1 200 times, you have built up the habit of giving. And you also have put limits. You've built up the of not giving. You're not required to give everything you have. And by giving $1 200 times, you know how to stop. And that's just knowing how to stop is just as important as knowing how to start. So please, for those people who are listening, if you're thinking, wow, maybe I should do this thing, whatever this thing is, you know, to help out, just remember that knowing when to start is good. Knowing when to stop. Also important. narrator (42:01): Thanks for making time for us this week to hear more of technically religious visit our website, technicallyreligious.com where you can find our other episodes, leave us ideas for future discussions and connect to us on social media. Leon (42:15): Friends, don't let friends use windows 98 Kevin (42:17): or internet Explorer. Al (42:19): or simple passwords, Leon (42:20): or Pearl.

Welcome to episode #8 of the SCHS Visual Arts Podcast! In this episode, we talk with Lettering artist, Logotype designer, and Author Jessica Hische about the differences between Type, figuring out what you want your days to look like, and how much more fun we were to talk to than Olivia Wilde (her words) (completely joking). She was so nice, and so transparent about her process. Thank you so much to Jessica for chatting with us. Please check her work out on Instagram @jessicahische or online at jessicahische.is . She also has classes on Skillshare that are definitely worth your time if you're interested in her work, logotype design, or Illustrated Lettering. (Note: This was recorded live with one of our advanced art classes, which is why the audio quality changes throughout the episode) ---------- Intro music by Tucker Webb Other background music is "Backdrop" by Blanket Music

Procrastiworking is a term I first heard designer Jessica Hische use, and it refers to the work you do (or feel like doing) while putting off the work you don't feel like doing. This term applies to most designers, creatives, freelancers and entrepreneurs. If Procrastination means you are doing something to avoid doing something else, then productive procrastination means you are not wasting your time when you are doing it. Enjoy the episode and find all the links and resources mentioned here: https://www.creativesparkpodcast.com/blog/episode25

Procrastiworking is a term I first heard designer Jessica Hische use, and it refers to the work you do (or feel like doing) while putting off the work you don’t feel like doing. This term applies to most designers, creatives, freelancers and entrepreneurs. If Procrastination means you are doing something to avoid doing something else, then productive procrastination means you are not wasting your time when you are doing it. Enjoy the episode and find all the links and resources mentioned here: https://www.creativesparkpodcast.com/blog/episode25  

Procrastiworking is a term I first heard designer Jessica Hische use, and it refers to the work you do (or feel like doing) while putting off the work you don’t feel like doing. This term applies to most designers, creatives, freelancers and entrepreneurs. If Procrastination means you are doing something to avoid doing something else, then productive procrastination means you are not wasting your time when you are doing it. Enjoy the episode and find all the links and resources mentioned here: https://www.creativesparkpodcast.com/blog/episode25  

Dans cet épisode du podcast, je vous annonce que la permission, ... vous l'avez toujours eu. Découvrez : - la véritable histoire derrière la création de ce podcast - ma méthode DIY - la différence entre l’état d’esprit fixe et l’état d'esprit d’expansion - pourquoi je crois que le monde serait meilleur si plus de créatifs osaient poursuivre leurs rêves - comment transcender son médium en le rendant le plus personnel possible - le #défisenscréatif ------- NOTES ET RESSOURCES Grab the reins and fucking do it, par Jessica Hische : https://vimeo.com/44045435 Le pouvoir de croire que vous pouvez vous améliorer, par Carol Dweck : http://bit.ly/2N3E9WQ Skillshare : https://www.skillshare.com/ Réaliser un podcast dans Audition CC, avec Alexandre Soubrier : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8A05RoDW6Q Strengths Finder : http://bit.ly/31FtDdH Bonus : How to stop procrastinating: WTF are you waiting for?? Do it! : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZReBvuaTAEM ---- CREDIT Merci à Adrien Guy pour la musique https://soundcloud.com/adrienguymusic https://www.instagram.com/adrienguymusic/ BANE, Ali VS Frazier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCIwcrzWDWU ---- Pour PARTICIPER financièrement au podcast, rejoignez le CLUB SENS CRÉATIF et accéder aux coulisses du podcast, à une communauté de créatifs passionnés qui échangent les uns avec les autres, ainsi qu'à un portfolio review. Visitez PATREON : https://www.patreon.com/senscreatifpodcast ---- Grâce à SENS CRÉATIF - le podcast qui explore les motivations et les stratégies des artistes de l’image - JÉRÉMIE CLAEYS (illustrateur à Paris) désire créer du lien entre les artistes francophones. https://www.jeremieclaeys.com/ https://www.instagram.com/senscreatif_podcast/ https://www.instagram.com/jeremieclaeys/ Vous pouvez également vous abonnez à ma NEWSLETTER (https://www.jeremieclaeys.com/sens-creatif) ou m’écrire sur jeremie@jeremie-claeys.com

Unsere Kinderbuchexpertin Sonja Kessen stellt heute ein Mutmachbuch für Menschen ab 3 vor. "Für dich. Alles, was du sein kannst", ist der Titel des Erstlings der amerikanischen Autorin und Illustratorin Jessica Hische, das auf Anhieb ein New York Times-Bestseller wurde.

Meena Harris' story is shaped by the many strong women who raised her. She is now honoring their legacy with a new children's book, Kamala and Maya's Big Idea, a picture book about two sisters who work together to change their community. The book is inspired by a true story Meena heard from childhood about her aunt, U.S. Senator Kamala Harris, and her mother, lawyer and policy expert Maya Harris. Join Meena at INFORUM to learn about the power of raising children who are engaged in their community and how generations to come can enact lasting change. This program will be moderated by author and artist Jessica Hische. NOTES This program contains some explicit language Part of our Good Lit series, underwritten by the Bernard Osher Foundation Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

'Sode #3, COMIN' AT'CHA!In this episode, I talk with graphic designer & friend Emily Stout about how college makes you broke, what corporate life is like as a graphic designer, the importance of selling your work in the modern-day world, how growing up in a small, rural town can affect your art, how wonderful & useful wireframes are, the incredible tool that is Pinterest, how rough Comic Sans is, dreams of getting degrees in ceramics, that time someone got stabbed for a Popeyes chicken sandwich, and at least 2 - 12 other things. Go check out her website at emcsde.com to see some of her hyper-aesthetic work & potentially have her create all of your design needs!Emily's Recommended Works Include (but are not limited to):Morbid, Crime Junkie, Time Suck with Dan Cummins, Call Her Daddy (but don't listen to it), people watching, product packaging, TJ Maxx, Pinterest, wireframing, Paula Sher, Mad Men / Milton Glaser, Herb Lubalin, Allan Peters, Craig Ward, Jessica Hische, Broad City / Mike Perry, IKEA, Abstract (Netflix), Grid Systems for Graphic Design by Josef Muller-Brockmann, How To by Michael Bierut, Two-Dimensional Man by Paul Sahre, and Design is Storytelling by Ellen Lupton. Like what you hear and want to support the show while getting some cool stuff in return? Become a patron on my Patreon today! www.patreon.com/jordanlaweStay in touch with all things TAT on our socials!Facebook: www.facebook.com/thievesamongthievespodInstagram: @thievesamongthievespod

We all know what a bad logo looks like, but could you design the worst logo? The team from the design Agency Fuzzco have created a contest encouraging you to undertake that challenge, with the chance for your worst work to be judged by some big name designers including Michael Bierut, Jessica Hische and Armin Vit. To learn more about the project Ian interviews Helen Rice and Colin Pinegar from Fuzzco, a Creative Agency in Charleston, Seattle and New York. Show notes and episode transcription: https://logogeek.uk/podcast/what-makes-a-bad-logo/ Resources Mentioned  How Low Can Your Logo Fuzzco: Website | Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | Pinterest | Dribbble 8 characteristics of a successful logo. Pretend Store Thank you to the sponsor, FreshBooks  I’m incredibly thankful to FreshBooks for sponsoring this episode of the Logo Geek Podcast! FreshBooks is an online accounting tool that makes it really easy to create and send invoices, track time and manage your money. You can try it out for yourself with a free 30 day trial.

Jessica Hische is a renowned lettering artist and New York Times bestselling author-illustrator. Her latest picture book TOMORROW I’LL BE KIND is a follow-up to her 2018 hit TOMORROW I’LL BE BRAVE.  TOMORROW I’LL BE KIND: Hische brings to life another series of inspirational words and scenes with her hand-lettering and illustrations. This uplifting book encourages kids to promise that tomorrow, they will be grateful, helpful, and kind. http://picturebooking.com/

A conversation with Jessica Hische about her career, especially after having kids.

Happy holidays + new year! We’re rebroadcasting a favorite episode from the archives. Enjoy! Graphic designer, illustrator and lettering artist, Jessica Hische forged her fierce independence. She knew from a young age that she wanted to be an artist, but it necessitated a school transfer to pursue that dream. With candor and self-awareness, she’s forthcoming about the challenging aspects of her work, as well as the triumphs. Her new children’s book is a sweet and encouraging embrace of bravery. Images and more from our guest! Please say Hi on social! Twitter, Instagram and Facebook - @CleverPodcast, @amydevers, @designmilk If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Clever is created, hosted and produced by Amy Devers and Jaime Derringer, aka 2VDE Media, with music from El Ten Eleven and editing by Jennie Josephson.Clever is proudly distributed by Design Milk.

Dans ce 16ème épisode du podcast, je vous annonce que la permission, ... vous l'avez toujours eu. Découvrez : - la véritable histoire derrière la création de ce podcast - ma méthode DIY - la différence entre l’état d’esprit fixe et l’état d'esprit d’expansion - pourquoi je crois que le monde serait meilleur si plus de créatifs osaient poursuivre leurs rêves - comment transcender son médium en le rendant le plus personnel possible - le #défisenscréatif ------- NOTES ET RESSOURCES Grab the reins and fucking do it, par Jessica Hische : https://vimeo.com/44045435 Le pouvoir de croire que vous pouvez vous améliorer, par Carol Dweck : http://bit.ly/2N3E9WQ Skillshare : https://www.skillshare.com/ Réaliser un podcast dans Audition CC, avec Alexandre Soubrier : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8A05RoDW6Q Strengths Finder : http://bit.ly/31FtDdH Bonus : How to stop procrastinating: WTF are you waiting for?? Do it! : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZReBvuaTAEM ************************************************* SENS CRÉATIF fait son show, live à la SLOW GALERIE Enregistrement en public, jeudi 7 novembre à 19h30 Plus d’infos : https://www.facebook.com/events/2425634131042121/ ---- CREDIT Merci à Adrien Guy pour la musique https://soundcloud.com/adrienguymusic https://www.instagram.com/adrienguymusic/ BANE, Ali VS Frazier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCIwcrzWDWU ---- SPONSOR Ce podcast est sponsorisé par Creative Pep Talk : http://www.creativepeptalk.com/ Creative Pep Talk aide les créatifs à développer un travail épanouissant artistiquement et florissant professionnellement. Suivez Andy J Pizza sur Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/andyjpizza/ ---- Grâce à SENS CRÉATIF - le podcast qui explore les motivations et les stratégies des artistes de l’image - JÉRÉMIE CLAEYS (illustrateur à Paris et passionné par la vie d’artiste freelance) désire créer du lien entre les artistes francophones. Pour suivre les actualités de ce podcast, suivez-moi sur Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/jeremieclaeys/), Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/claeysman) et Twitter (https://twitter.com/jeremieclaeys). Vous pouvez également visiter mon site internet (https://www.jeremieclaeys.com/), vous abonnez à la NEWSLETTER (https://www.jeremieclaeys.com/sens-creatif) ou m’écrire sur jeremie@jeremie-claeys.com

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Matt Haynes is a truly remarkable human, his passion is so contagious and he is the kind of person you just want to be near to absorb some of his excitement and passion for life. Matt has been running a very successful Design Conference for 9 years in Brisbane, Queensland with local and internationally renown speakers such as Jessica Hische, Todd Francis, Chris Doyle and too many more to mention. During the episode talk about how he has kept his fire burning for the event after all these years. We get into what building a legacy looks like and how to think bigger and look at the long game and how this solidifies your purpose and the why behind what you do. This episode is called Matt Haynes On Running A conference, but it really should be something more heartfelt like Matt Haynes on how to find your life purpose and how to make it happen, because he unleashes some knowledge from the heart. There is a language warning on this one.   Matt Haynes @matthew.tdc @thedesignconference thedesignconference.com.au     Links Wacom Stocksy Streamtime Tito PNAU - Solid Gold Never Not Creative     Quotes "If you set your mind to it, you can actually do whatever you want."   "Having the opportunity to have a legitimate impact in other peoples lives is more than infectious, it’s a driving force, it’s like a pure energy."   "If you're trying to walk around the world, first you've gotta start fucking walking."   "If you're gonna walk man, why don't you walk far."   "The thing about getting though a rough patch, is always just knowing, that you can make that rough patch as shit as you want or as fucking great as you want."   "There's no such thing as a half way crook. There ain’t no thing as a half way CEO. You're either in, or you're out."   "You gotta aim for the stars, but you don't wanna burn up in the process"   "The best part, personally, is being vulnerable, connecting with people on a vulnerable level."   "To lead is to take full responsibility."     Original Theme Music by Devin Luke - devinlukemusic.com   Stay In Touch onprocess.com @onprocesspodcast   If this episode helped you in any way, we would love your support. The best way to support us is by Subscribing to the show in iTunes and writing us a review. Thanks for listening.

In this, our very first episode, we talk to artist, experimenter and overall creative person, James Bourbon. James has worked across multiple creative fields including graphic design, fine art, fashion and more bringing with him his unique style of experimental graphics and process. Today we jump behind the scenes of his analogue experimentation process, specifically for video. We go pretty in depth into how he creates videos for bands that are unlike anything you've ever seen or he's has ever seen as they are all unique and one of a kind due to his unique process.   James Bourbon @_jbourbon@jimbobones666 (His super secret instagram)     Links Scanimate (Epic video, a must watch) Risograph PrintingTachnyons+ Box35mm camera that shoots 16 photos35mm 3d Stereo CameraTurn a tv into an oscilloscope (Very Dangerous! Do not try at home unless a trained electrician) Illustrator book on James' deskBroken Fingas book on James' desk (the israeli artists mentioned) Creating generative graphics and visuals using code onlyBlair Enns (Value based pricing) Chris Do (Value based pricing, how to charge for a logo) Procrastiworking by Jessica Hische   Some of James' experimental videos https://vimeo.com/330192315https://vimeo.com/329801812 https://vimeo.com/329799059   Original Theme Music by Devin Luke - devinlukemusic.com   Stay In Touch onprocess.com@onprocesspodcast   If this episode helped you in any way, we would love your support. The best way to support us is by Subscribing to the show in iTunes and writing us a review. Thanks for listening.

Jessica Hische RETURNS!!! There are few people who had a bigger impact on my creative career than Jessica Hische and I am SO THRILLED to have her back on the show. Jessica's approach to her side projects and creative career deeply influenced my biggest breakthroughs and I am SO THRILLED to have her back on the show for round 2! If you don't know, Jessica is a New York Times Best Selling Children's Author and Illustrator, as well as a commercial lettering artist who works with the likes of Wes Anderson, Barack Obama, Apple and The Washington Post. Jessica always brings so much energy and insight to our creative conversations and this one will not disappoint!! We cover: The power of finding your people Leaning into the Slow Build Career The Struggle of Breaking into New Territory When and How to let critique influence you SHOW NOTES JESSICA HISCHE http://jessicahische.is/ CREDITS Support Creative Pep Talk on Patreon: www.patreon.com/creativepeptalk Thanks to Yoni Wolf and the band WHY? for our theme music. Thanks to Alex Sugg for our soundtrack! www.alexsugg.com Mastering by Chris Graham Mastering Check out Chris' Six Figure Home Studio Podcast https://www.thesixfigurehomestudio.com/podcast/ SPONSORS WIX This week’s episode is brought to you by Wix.com  With Wix, the web your playground. Start with a blank page and design your website in any layout you want. HTTP://WIX.COM/CREATIVEPEP Skillshare Skillshare is an online learning community for creators. With more than 25,000 classes in design, business, and more, you’ll discover countless ways to fuel your curiosity, creativity, and career. Take classes in social media marketing, mobile photography, creative writing, or even illustration! Whether you’re looking to discover a new passion, start a side hustle, or gain new professional skills, Skillshare is there to keep you learning, thriving, and reaching those new goals. TWO FREE MONTHS OF SKILLSHARE: Skillshare.com/creativepep

When I was in my early 20s and someone told me to prioritize freedom and flexibility, I’d cringe and think, “Yes but how?”   Over the past fifteen years, I’ve asked this question to people I’ve met. Through trial and error, I’ve learned to incorporate or tweak parts of their how to fit my needs. As a result, I’ve learned there is more than one how, and to be wary of those who claim there is only one!   One approach we explored earlier this year was building a Company of One. Paul Jarvis and I explored how he went from being a freelancer and providing a service to scaling his business to create products. In the Build episode, we shared some of the common themes. If you missed the episode, you can check it out here.   This month, I want to rewind and explore the first part, becoming a freelancer.   Becoming a freelancer is one approach to gaining more freedom and flexibility. And while it’s easy to glamorize being your own boss, it can take time (many years) to get a business off the ground.   You have to figure out how to market yourself, manage clients, price your service, and still have enough hours left in the day to do the work!   All of these tasks can leave you feeling overwhelmed. To help you think about the transition, gain some perspective, and most importantly, work through the overwhelm, I’ve invited Gregg Goldner, who is a freelance developer and President of Two Sun Traders, LLC to share his experience.   Whether you are a freelancer, want to be one, or are just curious, I’d highly recommend tuning into this week’s episode to learn the following from Gregg:   Why Gregg wanted more flexibility in his life and chose to transition from being a music teacher to a software developer How he made the transition to becoming a software developer The skills he learned from having been a school teacher and how they applied to software The experience that led Gregg to choose to be freelancer instead of a startup founder How he initially priced himself, then changed his pricing over time The importance of honing your craft How he interviews clients and picks projects   I loved this quote from Gregg because it showcases how you need to focus as a freelancer:   “Putting on every single hat and then realizing I don’t like half those hats. Wouldn’t it be great if I didn’t have to do those things? What are my strengths and weaknesses, and how can I find people who have different strengths and weaknesses?” — Gregg Goldner, President of Two Sun Traders, LLC   In the episode, Gregg mentions a number of resources, here are links to them:   The Mythical Man-Month, Anniversary Edition: Essays On Software Engineering by Frederick P. Brooks Jr. Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship by Robert C. Martin Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code by Martin Fowler Code Complete by Steve McConnell iOS Development Tutorials by Ray Wenderlich A weekly video series on Swift programming A hands-on guide to learning Swift Subscription learning platforms Packt and Lynda.com   If you’ve been following Build for a while, you may recall I did an episode with Jessica Hische who is a letter, illustrator, and type designer a few years ago on a similar topic: How To Prepare To Strike Out On Your Own And Pursue Your Creative Calling. Listen to the episode here. I always find it helpful to revisit a topic and compare notes, plus some people’s voice resonates more than others, so I’d highly recommend you check out that episode too! -- Build is produced by Femgineer. 

A rundown of the Speakers at Creative South design conference including: Chris Do, Sara Stewart & Logan Faerber, Carolyn Sewell, Hank Washington, Rocky Roark, Dex Alexander, Jessica Hische, Efdot, Taylor Cashdan, Cat Noone, Rob Zilla

Jessica Hische describes herself as a "Lettering artist, author, illustrator, letterpress printer, and type designer" but also a "Mother, procrastiworker, and a million other things". She has worked with many well recognized brands, authors, and other designers on a multitude of different kinds of projects. In this episode, we talk about her new book, “Tomorrow I’ll be Brave” and the downside of labels.   First Things First is produced as part of Frontier Media. Learn more at www.frontier.is   Host: Paddy Harrington Producer and Editor: Max Cotter   Frontier’s sponsor music is an edited version of “sketch (rum-portrait)” by Jahzzar from the album “Sketches.” The original can be found at http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Jahzzar/Sketches/sketch_rum-portrait_1585 This episode features an edited version of “Streetbeat Heat” by Podington Bear from the album “Dance.” The original can be found at http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Podington_Bear/Dance_1228/Streetbeat_Heat This episode features an edited version of “Outmoded Waltz” by Podington Bear from the album “Carefree.” The original can be found at http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Podington_Bear/Carefree/Outmoded_Waltz This episode features an edited version of “Associations” by Podington Bear from the album “Carefree.” The original can be found at http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Podington_Bear/Carefree/Associations

In this episode we're talking with designer and letterer, Jessica Hische, author of the New York Times best-selling children's book: Tomorrow I'll Be Brave.  You've almost certainly seen Jessica's work. She refreshed logos for MailChimp, Southern Living, Eventbrite. She did a logo for the incredible "California Sunday Magazine." She did titles for Wes Anderson's "Moonlight Kingdom." She designed covers for books like Dave Eggers' "The Circle" and "Hologram for the King," and for Elizabeth Gilbert's, "Committed" among many, many more books. We discuss her unique production and marketing strategy for the book, how she chose her publisher, and how to respect the heck out of contacts you've built up over the years. 

Graphic designer, illustrator and lettering artist, Jessica Hische forged her fierce independence during a tough chapter in childhood. She knew from a young age that she wanted to be an artist, but it necessitated a school transfer to pursue that dream. With candor and self-awareness, she’s forthcoming about the challenging aspects of her work, as well as the triumphs. Her new children’s book is a sweet and encouraging embrace of bravery. Images and more from our guest! Please say Hi on social! Twitter, Instagram and Facebook - @CleverPodcast, @amydevers, @designmilk If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Clever is created, hosted and produced by Amy Devers and Jaime Derringer, aka 2VDE Media, with music from El Ten Eleven and editing by Jennie Josephson. Clever is proudly distributed by Design Milk.

Episode 95 with Jessica Hische on Encouragement and Bravery. Jessica hardly needs an introduction, she is a creative icon and well known for her illustration work, side projects and phenomenal client work. But for those out there who may not know her, she is described on her website as a lettering artist and author with a tendency to overshare and a penchant for procrastiworking. We spoke about design and life, having children, coming up with ideas and her new amazing book Tomorrow I’ll be Brave. Where her thinking starts when creating a book and how it’s different than creating other design project work. It truly was a pleasure to spend some time talking with Jess, the audio has a bit of background noise as it was recorded in the media room at Adobe MAX. Big thanks as always to our friends at Streamtime who help make our episode possible. streamtime.net

Jessica is a lettering artist, entrepreneur, designer, speaker and author who’s worked with clients like Penguin Books and Wes Anderson and recently published a book called “In Progress” which is an incredibly detailed look at her process from sketch to final deliverables - definitely a must-read for any of you lettering fanatics out there. She’s also got this amazing library of side projects like Daily Drop Cap (exactly what it sounds like), a site called Don’t Fear The Internet which teaches HTML and CSS to designers, ShouldIWorkForFree.com - a flow chart which answers that exact question - and literally 10 more. Insanely prolific. Today on the podcast, * Some rarely-discussed characteristics and strengths of creatives * Why constraints are a creative’s best friend. *The habits that make her as ultra-productive as she is - my favorite is her concept of “admin Mondays” Enjoy! Show notes and links for this episode can be found at www.chasejarvis.com/podcast.  It's also brought to you by CreativeLive. CreativeLive is the world's largest hub for online creative education in photo/video, art/design, music/audio, craft/maker and the ability to make a living in any of those disciplines. They are high quality, highly curated classes taught by the world’s top experts -- Pulitzer, Oscar, Grammy Award winners, New York Times best selling authors and the best entrepreneurs of our times.

Christopher Schmitt is out, but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy the time Nicole Sullivan talked about how she read W3C specs for fun, Lou Rosenfeld trying not to start a war between IA vs. UX, and how Jessica Hische became a success.

Christopher Schmitt is out, but that doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy the time Nicole Sullivan talked about how she read W3C specs for fun, Lou Rosenfeld trying not to start a war between IA vs. UX, and how Jessica Hische became a success.

Christopher Schmitt is out, but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy the time Nicole Sullivan talked about how she read W3C specs for fun, Lou Rosenfeld trying not to start a war between IA vs. UX, and how Jessica Hische became a success.

Michelle wants to know some stuff about type and who Brandi looks to for inspiration for type, or letters, or typography, or.. ..lettering? It's a fun time you guys. :50 Welcome!!! Michelle’s week was super productive. She went to a wedding AND listened to an entire season of a podcast. NPR’s Invisibilia…AND binged the latest season of OITNB. Dang. 3:07 Michelle’s song for the week: Selena Gomez, Bad Liar 6:20 Brandi’s week was very similar to Michelle’s. Wedding times, 4th of July, and then it was time to straight veg. She camped out on the couch and watched a new show… Handmaids Tale, iZombie and Fear The Walking Dead. 7:00 Handmaids Tale has so many great uses of coloring, Grays and reds!

This week, one of the best letterers and illustrators in the industry, Jessica Hische, joins the show. We discuss the thrills and anxieties of making a living as a freelancer.

You’ve probably seen Jessica Hische’s work in a lot of places. She has designed everything from chocolate lettering to Wes Anderson movie title sequences. In this installment of Art School, San Francisco artist and author Jessica Hische takes us into her design studio with a demo on custom lettering from pencil sketch to vector paths. Most of us have experimented with lettering at some point –maybe doodling our name or our favorite band’s lyrics on a notebook or on our desk at school. But Hische has taken her love for lettering to the next level and built a successful career from her word designs.

This week the podcast welcomes its first ever guest: Mr Aled Lewis. Aled is an illustrator and designer based in London. Aled talks about his career so far and how he got started in the creative industry. There's not much time for news this week but the boys look at the end of the Pick Me Up show, Jessica Hische's automated response generator and the BBC program about the graphic designer with Parkinson's. Is it dusty in here? There's something in my eye. Christmas presents: What's on the wish-list, what not to buy and what the chaps think are great gifts for your loved ones (that deep down you secretly covet for yourself.) Pies this week came from Betty's in Yorkshire, courtesy of the very lovely Hannah Wilson. North V South records the world's (possibly) very first Mince Pie Consumption Simulcast™.

This week the podcast welcomes its first ever guest: Mr Aled Lewis. Aled is an illustrator and designer based in London. Aled talks about his career so far and how he got started in the creative industry. There’s not much time for news this week but the boys look at the end of the Pick Me Up show, Jessica Hische’s automated response generator and the BBC program about the graphic designer with Parkinson’s. Is it dusty in here? There’s something in my eye. Christmas presents: What’s on the wish-list, what not to buy and what the chaps think are great gifts for your loved ones (that deep down you secretly covet for yourself.) Pies this week came from Betty’s in Yorkshire, courtesy of the very lovely Hannah Wilson. North V South records the world’s (possibly) very first Mince Pie Consumption Simulcast™.

This fourth episode was recorded live in San Francisco in September 2016 with professional oversharers Jennifer Daniel and Jessica Hische. Working Not Working co-founder Justin Gignac attempted to uncover more about the two notorious designers than you can find combing through their 34,000 tweets. They dive into the psychology behind their need to share on social media, how it has impacted their careers and how having children has changed everything. This is not your typical design talk about favorite typefaces and inspiration. There's a lot of real talk about pregnancy, labor and the struggles of balancing parenting and career. Thanks to our friends at AND CO for their support. Let AND CO help you run your freelance business by managing your invoicing, time tracking, expenses and projects with the combination of a smart app and your personal Chief Operator. Get 20% off for 3 months on all premium memberships with the code “WNW”.

This is episode eight of DN FM. Through interviews, news and Office Hours community segments, DN FM aims to spark a meaningful conversation on design.

Years ago, Majo (our host) invited Jessica Hische to speak at the first Women In Design event and she blew everyone away with her humor, honest vulnerability, and passion for her work. Jessica is a lecturer, illustrator, and type designer – hands down one of the most important designers living amongst us in our generation today. Her clients include Wes Anderson, Dave Eggers, Penguin Books, The New York Times, Tiffany & Co., the list goes on and on. She recently released her book, In Progress, where she shares her creative process, how her career unfolded, and how each opportunity leads to the next. Jessica and Majo may have only scratched the surface in this interview, but they cover a lot of juicy stuff plus wisdom and tips for the striving creative. Show Notes:–Growing up as a quiet art kid from a small town. [4:08]–On Jessica’s work ethic, the awkwardness of high school, and her book, In Progress. [10:13]–How her parents’ divorce made her a kinder person, and why “oversharing” is a huge part of who Jessica is. [14:53]–The shock of criticism: Being told she wasn’t “good enough” and how she responded. [20:16]–Dealing with competition in art school, doing lots of internships, plus a great pro tip for students. [26:30]–Going all in: The illustration promo she put together to get noticed, and how it paid off. [31:44]–On working insane hours, being upfront with her boss about what was important to her, and how hard it was to quit. [42:16]–Diving into freelancing full-time and being her own boss: How Jessica dealt with doubt and her biggest fear. [50:24]–Why Jessica likes to think of her life and career as a constellation, plus some great advice for creatives looking to attract business. [54:20]–The importance of being an accessible creative leader, speaking her truth, and maintaining humility without losing self-confidence. [1:01:08]References:In Progress by Jessica Hischejessicahische.is/awesome

Years ago, Majo (our host) invited Jessica Hische to speak at the first Women In Design event and she blew everyone away with her humor, honest vulnerability, and passion for her work. Jessica is a lecturer, illustrator, and type designer – hands down one of the most important designers living amongst us in our generation today. Her clients include Wes Anderson, Dave Eggers, Penguin Books, The New York Times, Tiffany & Co., the list goes on and on. She recently released her book, In Progress, where she shares her creative process, how her career unfolded, and how each opportunity leads to the next. Jessica and Majo may have only scratched the surface in this interview, but they cover a lot of juicy stuff plus wisdom and tips for the striving creative. Show Notes:–Growing up as a quiet art kid from a small town. [4:08]–On Jessica’s work ethic, the awkwardness of high school, and her book, In Progress. [10:13]–How her parents’ divorce made her a kinder person, and why “oversharing” is a huge part of who Jessica is. [14:53]–The shock of criticism: Being told she wasn’t “good enough” and how she responded. [20:16]–Dealing with competition in art school, doing lots of internships, plus a great pro tip for students. [26:30]–Going all in: The illustration promo she put together to get noticed, and how it paid off. [31:44]–On working insane hours, being upfront with her boss about what was important to her, and how hard it was to quit. [42:16]–Diving into freelancing full-time and being her own boss: How Jessica dealt with doubt and her biggest fear. [50:24]–Why Jessica likes to think of her life and career as a constellation, plus some great advice for creatives looking to attract business. [54:20]–The importance of being an accessible creative leader, speaking her truth, and maintaining humility without losing self-confidence. [1:01:08]References:In Progress by Jessica Hischejessicahische.is/awesome

Jessica Hische is an amazing lettering artist and author of "In Progress”. She’s done amazing hand lettering work for clients such as Wes Anderson, Penguin Books, The New York Times, American Express, Target, and Nike. Jessica is considered highly in the design community as someone who’s a helper— consistently providing advice on how she’s overcome obstacles in both work and life. -- SOCIAL: @jessicahische on Twitter and Instagram. | www.jessicahische.is/awesome @brandenharvey on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook & Snapchat | www.brandenharvey.com. You can find more podcasts like Sounds Good at www.gradient.is.

In this episode, we spoke with Matt Haynes Founder of Analogue Digital Agency and The Design Conference Brisbane. Matt runs The Design Conference, an event experience, tailored to the creative industry. He also runs Analogue Digital, a global network of 30+ experts who work in collaboration to deliver creative solutions for businesses, councils and the community. Matt hails from sunny Queensland and a lot of what we spoke about centres around the culture in Brisbane, The Sunshine Coast and the Gold Coast. Matt gave us an insight into the design scene in the north and what he and others are doing to create positive change. We also spoke about the upcoming design conference and some of the speakers attending the conference including Jessica Hische, Alex Naghavi of Joseph Mark and Timba Smits. au.linkedin.com/in/matthew-haynes-31934594 thedesignconference.com.au

Have you contemplated leaving the comforts of a company to strike out on your own to pursue a creative calling? Perhaps you have an idea for a product or service. While there’s a strong pull to pursue it, hesitation maybe holding you back. You’re worried about being good enough, attracting customers and clients, and how to make it all come together to find fulfillment, but also tend to the practical side of things like paying the bills! You’ve probably heard plenty of stories around striking out to build a startup, raise capital, and pursue a BIG idea. While that sounds exciting, you’re looking for an alternative approach... Well in today’s episode of FemgineerTV, we’re going to be tackling all these topics. To help us out, I’ve invited Jessica Hische, who is a letter, illustrator, and type designer. Jessica began her career working for a design studio HeadCase. Then went on to work for a prominent designer, Louise Fili, and eventually struck out on her own. Jessica has had notable clients like Wes Anderson, David Eggers, Tiffany Co, and Nike just to name a few. As you watch this episode you’ll learn: Steps you can take early in your career, such as how to reach out to people or companies you want to work for and learn from Why a day job can be immensely valuable and how to find one that is nurturing Why you don’t have to run a 10+ person design studio or a 100+ startup, and can be a solopreneur How to reconcile your client’s vision with your own creative desires How to get compensated fairly by conveying the price and value of your work Why learning tangential skills as a creative can be helpful when it comes to hiring Balancing side projects and attracting work with the day-to-day work that pays the bills Whether you’ve been in your career for 6 months or 6+ years, and have toyed with the idea of doing your own thing but weren’t sure how to set your own terms, this episode is for you! For those of you who are interested in design and typography, check out Jessica latest book In Progress. We also talked about her popular post The Dark Art of Pricing, which you can read here.

“Grab the reins and do it!” Jessica Hische, renowned letterer, illustrator, type designer, and self-described “avid internetter,” spoke at CreativeMornings/Vancouver in June 2012 and her advice is still as relevant as ever. Focusing on the intersection of arts & technology, Jessica passionately advocates for the value of type design in the face of technology. But mostly, she inspires us all to get up, stop being lazy, and learn whatever we need to learn to make the things we want to make. Learn more at www.creativemornings.com

Side projects can be good for our careers and even our mental health. They help us grow as creatives and give us something to look forward to that we can control. Something that doesn't have the pressure of a client or other stakeholder. In this episode of Halftime, Adam discusses the importance of side projects, how they can make us become known for something and can lead to our dream clients. Mentions include: Jeni Herberger, The Fulcrum Agency AIRMAX 100 Project Episode 15: Matt Stevens Episode 22: Fraser Davidson Jessica Hische Daily Drop Cap Tobias van Schneider, Spotify Spotify's Design Lead on Why Side Projects Should be Stupid Dan Simon, Studio Simon Episode 2: Joe Bosack & Co. Episode 10: Ben Jenkins, Warstic Bat Co. Episode 27: Bethany Heck, The Eephus League Lifehacker: Why Side Projects Are Good For You Episode 34 (Halftime): Just Start On the next podcast, the partners of Doubleday & Cartwrightwill be joining the podcast. D&C is a New York City creative agency focusing on sport and culture. Along with working with clients such as Nike, ESPN and Red Bull, D&C is recently noted for designing the newMilwaukee Bucks visual identity. Did you enjoy this episode? Then please rate and/or write a review of the show on iTunes. Also, be sure to follow show @MakersofSport, as well the host onTwitter and Dribbble.

Illustrator and letterer Jessica Hische talks about her most memorable projects, managing a successful freelance career and finding meaningful work.

"If you are a good designer, part of your job is to find (visual) solutions in a varied part of storytelling." Chin Wang, Creative Director of ESPN The Magazine joins the show this week to discuss editorial design, managing a team of designers, photo editors and art directors, as well as the inner workings of creating one of world's most popular sports publications. Chin has been an editorial designer much of her career and on this episode we go behind-the-scenes of how ESPN The Magazine is created. We touch on everything from their process, the differenes between design directors and creative directors, and how Chin and team search for new talent on places like Dribbble. Chin also tells some behind-the-scene stories about working with JJ Watt, Rob Gronkowski and the laying out the infamous Body Issue. Lastly, we talk about how tough freelancing is and what we can do to support one creative to another. Chin also just might reveal one of the athletes she has a strong admiration (or maybe crush?) for. Mentions Include: Chin Wang's Portfolio Chin Wang on Twitter Boston Magazine Jessica Hische Tom Brady on Twitter Justin Mezzell ESPN Cricinfo Cam Newton Chad Millman, Editor-in-Chief of ESPN.com and ESPN The Magazine On our next episode, which happens to be milestone episode 25, Joe Bosack of Joe Bosack & Co. is rejoining the show to intercept the mic and conduct an interview with myself, allowing me to tell some of my own stories. Don't forget to follow the show (@makersofsport) and Adam (@tadammartin)on twitter or Dribbble.

It took 50 episodes, but we're super pumped to have our first woman join The Collective! The amazing designer/letterer Jessica Hische stops by to talk about the challenges of being a freelancer and how to handle turning down jobs if the terms aren't to your liking. Jessica's Website: http://jessicahische.is/awesome/ Jessica's Blog: http://jessicahische.is/thinkingthoughts Jessica's Resources: http://jessicahische.is/heretohelp Jessica's Twitter: https://twitter.com/jessicahische ---------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe on iTunes: www.bit.ly/collectiveitunes Like us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/thecollectivepodcast Follow us on Twitter: www.twitter.com/thecpodcast ---------------------------------------------------------- SHOW NOTES: Eiser/Miller: http://www.amzn.to/1mAlodk Mondo: http://www.mondotees.com/

This week Myke is joined by Jessica Hische. They talk about her history in graphic design and illustration, some of her favourite projects and speaking engagements.

In a recent two-day Gestalten workshop, participants worked closely with Jessica Hische (a letterer, illustrator, and crazy cat lady known for her silly side projects and occasional foul mouth, as she jokingly describes herself) to develop a full vector alphabet and learn about drawing type in a short amount of time. Hische has been named a Forbes Magazine "30 under 30" in art and design as well as an ADC Young Gun and one of Print Magazine's "New Visual Artists". Gestalten.tv took the chance of a very brief break during the workshop to let Jessica talk us through some of the pros and cons of the letters B/E/R/L/I/N. Her work is profiled in Hand to Type, Playful Type 2, and Precursor: The Creativity Watchlist.

In the fourth installment of the Happy Monday Podcast, Sarah Parmenter and Josh Long talk with the wonderfully talented Jessica Hische.

With client list that includes Wes Anderson, Tiffany & Co., The New York Times, Target, American Express, and Wired Magazine, Jessica Hische is a letterer, illustrator, and self-described “avid inter netter”. Always pushing for side projects, Jessica's publishers her own micro-sites that include Mom This is How Twitter Works, Should I Work for Free? and Don't Fear the Internet.

With client list that includes Wes Anderson, Tiffany & Co., The New York Times, Target, American Express, and Wired Magazine, Jessica Hische is a letterer, illustrator, and self-described “avid inter netter”. Always pushing for side projects, Jessica's publishers her own micro-sites that include *Mom This is How Twitter Works*, *Should I Work for Free?* and *Don’t Fear the Internet*.

With client list that includes Wes Anderson, Tiffany & Co., The New York Times, Target, American Express, and Wired Magazine, Jessica Hische is a letterer, illustrator, and self-described “avid inter netter”. Always pushing for side projects, Jessica’s publishers her own micro-sites that include Mom This is How Twitter Works, Should I Work for Free? and Don’t Fear the Internet.

For this Snippet, we discuss one of the talks from this years Interlink Conference in Vancouver Canada, Lettering for a Living: Embrace Your Specialty by Jessica Hische. (http://www.pagebreakpodcast.com/snippets/jessica-hische-interlink2012)

In this podcast interview with Debbie Millman, Jessica Hische discusses her attachment to the internet, the differences between being a letterer and a type designer and working for Louise Fili.