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On this episode I have the pleasure to talk with Kathi Sohn who I met just two weeks ago at the latest Podapalooza event. Kathi, as it turns out, is quite knowledgeable and fascinating on many levels. Kathi grew up in Rhode Island. She describes herself as a shy child who had been adopted. While in her mother's womb, her mother tried to conduct a self-abortion when Kathi was six months along. I tell you about this because that fact and others are quite relevant to Kathi's story. Kathi will tell us that at some level we have memories that go back to even before we are born. Science supports this and it is one of the concepts that Kathi's late husband utilized in creating what he calls the “body memory process”.   Kathi graduated from high school and went to college. As you will learn, over time Kathi secured several college degrees and even became a certified nurse. At some point she joined the army. That story is best told by her. Suffice it to say that Kathi says that joining the army on the advice of her adopted father was one of the best moves she could have made. From her four years in the military she learned commitment, responsibility and discipline.   After the army, Kathi went to work for the Department of Defense and at some point she met and married her husband David. Again, a story better told by Kathi.   For many years Kathi and David lived in Maryland. Eventually they moved to Alabama.   Kathi will tell us about the work David conducted to develop the “body memory process” which he used to help many overcome fears and life challenges. After David's death in 2019 Kathi decided to retire from the Department of Defense after 36 years and then to continue the work David had begun regarding the body memory process which is the discovery and release of self-limiting beliefs (vows) we all create in early childhood. Today she is a coach and she is an accomplished author. Her book about the body memory process is entitled, “You Made It Up, Now Stop Believing It, which was released in 2023. It has reached twice bestseller status on Amazon Kindle.   Our conversation ranges far and wide about medicine, our limiting beliefs and how to deal with our limitations using the body memory process. I think you will like what Kathi has to say. She has some good nuggets of wisdom we all can use.       About the Guest:   In 2020, Kathi Sohn retired from her first career as a senior manager after 36 years with the Department of Defense. When Kathi lost her beloved husband David in 2019, she decided  to devote her life to sharing the powerful work he created – the Body Memory Process, which is the discovery and release of self-limiting beliefs (vows) we all create in early childhood.   Kathi wrote a book on the work, You Made It Up, Now Stop Believing It, which was released in 2023 and it has twice reached bestseller status on Amazon Kindle. This information-packed book not only gives the reader the entire childhood vow discovery and release processes, but also has practical exercises for increasing self-awareness and fascinating stories of real people who experienced personal transformation by using the Body Memory Process.   Kathi is also a speaker and coach, sharing as broadly as possible the importance of healing childhood wounds. She is dedicated to mitigating the cycle of inter-generational trauma.   Ways to connect Kathi:   WEBSITE: https://kathisohn.com FREE GIFT: https://bodymemoryprocess.com/free-gift/ FREE PARENT GUIDE: https://coaching.kathisohn.com/freeparentguide "RESILIENT TEEN": https://coaching.kathisohn.com/resilientteen PURCHASE BOOK WITH FREE GIFTS: https://youmadeitupbook.com/bonuses FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/bodymemoryprocess/ INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/kathi.sohn/ TWITTER: https://twitter.com/kat_sohn LINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathisohn/ YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCC9R0noiiPPWf1QjzrEdafw           https://linktr.ee/MCAnime   About the Host:   Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.   Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards.   https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/   accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/   https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/       Thanks for listening!   Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! 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The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson ** 01:21 Hi everyone. I am your host, Mike Hingson, and welcome once again to another episode of unstoppable mindset today. Once again, as we've done a few times already in the last few weeks, we have the opportunity and joy to interview, well, not interview, but talk with someone who I met at our recent patapalooza Number 12 event, and today we get to talk to Kathi Sohn Kathi was at podapalooza. Pat Kathi has a lot of things going for her, and she'll tell us all about all of that. She had a long career with the Department of Defense, and if we ask any questions about that, then probably we'll all have to disappear. So we won't, we won't go into too much detail, or we'll have to eliminate you somehow. But in 2020 she left the career that she had with DOD and started working to promote something that her late husband, who died in 2019 worked on the body am I saying it right? Kathy, body memory process, yes, and and she will tell us about that, so we'll get to all that. But for now, Kathi, welcome to unstoppable mindset. We're really glad you're here.   Kathi Sohn ** 02:37 Michael, it is great to be here. You are such a big inspiration to me. So thank you so much for having me on your show.   Michael Hingson ** 02:44 Well, thank you. I really am very glad that we get to do this. Do you have a podcast? No, I don't. Well see, did PodaPalooza convince you to start one?   Kathi Sohn ** 02:55 No, but there's always. I'm open to possibilities in the future. So   Michael Hingson ** 03:01 as as I tell people, potable is a pretty neat event. You go because you're a podcaster. You want to be a podcaster, or you want to be interviewed by podcasters, which covers basically a good part of the world. And so you're in the I want to talk to podcasters. And there we are, and we got to meet Kathi and chat with Kathi, and here we are. So it's a lot of fun. And so why don't we start, if you would, by you telling us a little bit about maybe the early Kathi growing up and all that sort of stuff, that's always fun to start at the beginning, as it were, yes,   Kathi Sohn ** 03:37 my goodness, so I, I grew up not in A a neighborhood where, you know, kids just played together and ride their bikes. I was, I was in a rather along a kind of a rural road in in Rhode Island, going down to the beach. If anyone has heard of watch Hill and westerly that area. So it was a beautiful, beautiful area. But because I didn't have a lot of, you know, again, I didn't have the neighborhood kids to play with, and I tended to be a little shy and to myself, I spent a lot of time after I was old enough and my mom let me just sort of exploring the woods nearby and learning, you know, just really kind of going within myself and thinking, and I would look at things in nature, and I would write this very deep poetry about it. So I think I was very fortunate, on the one hand on to have a very introspective life growing up. On the other hand, it didn't help me to work out, you know, some of that, that shyness, so that's something I needed to tackle a little bit later. As an adult, I had two older brothers, all three of us were adopted from very, very difficult beginnings. And again, it wasn't until I was an adult. And in fact, doing using the work that I'm going to talk about today, that I was able to understand some of the things that I was feeling and didn't understand growing up about myself, because some things were were shrouded in mystery, and I was able to get to the bottom of it, but basically, I had a very happy childhood. My adoptive parents were just so loving and wonderful and very, very fortunate to had a great education and parents who told me that I could do anything that I put my mind to.   Michael Hingson ** 05:38 It's great when parents do that, isn't it? Oh, yeah, I was very fortunate to have parents that took that position with me. When the doctor said, Send him up to a home, because no blind child could ever grow up to be anything, and all he'll do is be a drain on the family. And my parents said, No, I was very fortunate. So it's yeah, I I definitely sympathize and resonate with that, because it's so wonderful when parents are willing to really allow children to grow and explore. And obviously parents keep an eye on us, but still, when they allow us to do that, it's great. Yeah,   Kathi Sohn ** 06:13 I had heard you. I've heard you talk, because I have your your your book, live like a guide dog. And hearing about that story, and it reminds me, if anyone of your listeners are familiar with the Barry cowfield and his wife, who had an extremely autistic son, and the doctors were telling them, You need to institutionalize them that you can't you're not going to be able to deal with that. And they said, Are you kidding me? He's our son. If the best that we can do is just love him, then we're going to have him home. You know, he's our son. We're not going to put him anywhere. And then, of course, they they work with him, actually brought him out of autism through an amazing, amazing process. But yes, you're absolutely right. The parents are just, I know it seems almost cliche, but really, parents are instrumental, not just taking care of the physical needs, but those emotional needs, so, so critical and related to what we're going to talk about today.   Michael Hingson ** 07:20 Yeah, well, and it's, it's unfortunate when parents don't do that and they give into their fears and they don't let children explore, they don't let children grow. That's, that's so unfortunate when that happened. But I'm really glad that my parents and I'm glad your parents allowed you to to stretch and grow as well. That's a neat thing. So you and of course, being a reader of a variety of Stephen King books, when you talk about Rhode Island, although the Stephen King things were a little bit further north, but and the woods sort of makes me think of, oh my gosh, did you ever run into Pet Cemetery? But we won't worry about that.   08:03 Fortunately not,   Michael Hingson ** 08:06 yeah, yeah, that was a that was a scary book. Yeah, he's a pretty creative guy. But anyways, enjoy him. But anyway, so you went through school, you went to high school and and were a little bit shy. I kind of, again, I kind of empathize. I was in a neighborhood. It was not as rural, probably, as as what you grew up in. And kids did play, but I didn't really get a chance to do much playing with the kids, because I didn't do baseball and sports and all that. So I did a lot more reading. I hung around where the kids were, somewhat the other kids were, but my brother was the one that that really interacted with them. And I, I have to admit, that I didn't do as much of that, and was was probably a little bit shy or at least hesitant as a result, but I did make some friends. And in fact, when I was seven, there was a girl named Cindy who moved into our neighborhood, who had a bike, and she asked if I ever rode my bike, and I said I didn't have one. And she let me learn how to ride a bike on hers. And my parents saw that, and so then they got me a bike, and my brother had a bike, so we did a lot of bike riding after that, it was kind of fun.   Kathi Sohn ** 09:21 Yes, I love the part of the book where your dad took a call from the neighbor who was so nonplussed about the fact that, well, did he, did he fall off right? Did he? Did he run into anything? No, what's the problem? I got a good laugh out of that. Yeah, well, and   Michael Hingson ** 09:39 I know many blind people who, who, when they were kids, rode bikes. You know, it's not that magical. You have to learn how to do it. But so do side are kids. So it's, it's the same sort of thing. So what did you do after high school? Did you go to college?   Kathi Sohn ** 09:56 Yes, it's kind of a long. Story. Let's see if I can, if I can, sort of summarize, I had, I went into college in actually, was, in my mind, pre med, my I it was the major was zoology. Where did you go? University of Rhode Island. Okay, and I, I had been well when I was 12, I started piano lessons, and then I had private singing lessons when I was 14. So here I found myself on a college campus where there was a Fine Arts Center, and I had continued to, of course, develop in music. And a part of me kind of wanted to pursue becoming a sort of a music star, while the other part of me, of course, was more practical and guided by my parents about, okay, get yourself some, you know, a more dependable career. And so here I am on this college campus and spending more time in the fine arts center than than the library. So my college years were a little turbulent, as I was still trying to figure out really what I wanted to be. I went from pre med into nursing because, again, my grades weren't that great. And because of the distraction, and I even that, even that wasn't working, the problem essentially came with me. And instead of a fine arts building, it became, you know, playing, playing the piano in local bars was just kind of trying to find my way. And my dad told me one evening I was visiting, I was home with my parents, and I was very distraught. I don't know what I'm going to do. My grades aren't that great. And he said, I think I have an idea. I'll talk to you in the morning. Well, he worked for General Dynamics Electric Boat division. So he was involved working with the Navy building nuclear submarines. Did   Michael Hingson ** 12:10 he go to rotten Connecticut? Yes, yeah. And   Kathi Sohn ** 12:15 I actually ended up working there myself briefly. And he said, you know, the military may just be what you need. So, long story short, I ended up in the army and for, you know, for four years, and really did turn everything around. Then I started getting building that self confidence. I finished a undergraduate degree in political science. And then when I started working for the Defense Department, and there was I took advantage of the benefits of them helping me with paying for graduate degrees. I i got a graduate degree in conflict resolution and one from the Naval War College where I graduated top of my class in national security studies. Wow. So turned it all around. And yeah, so in the in, you'll love this too. A little loose end that I tied up. My dad encouraged me to do this the New York regions. It was called regents college, I think, yeah, University of the state of New York had a Regents college where you could challenge a nursing degree program. So with all the courses I had taken, and I just I went to a local hospital, I they helped me to practice stealth, adjusting changes and, you know, and all of that, giving IVs, and I passed the test. It was a weekend of clinical, one on one with a nurse evaluator failure. I could not, you know, had to be 100% and I passed. So I also have an Associates in nursing. Well,   Michael Hingson ** 13:57 I wanted to, you know, is this the time to say I wanted to be a doctor, but I didn't have any patients anyway. Go ahead, yes,   Kathi Sohn ** 14:06 gosh, I'm still interested in medicine, but I figure it all, it all comes in handy if I'm, you know, I have my kids at the doctor, and I can, I can talk with them at a level, you know, a little bit of a notch above just being a worried mom. What   Michael Hingson ** 14:20 do you think of a lot of the tendencies and the trends, and I've talked to a number of people on on a stop level mindset about it, a lot of the things that go on in Eastern medicine that Western medicine doesn't practice.   Kathi Sohn ** 14:34 Well, yeah. In fact, with the body memory process, my late husband factored that into what he developed as the body map, which I can can can discuss when the time comes, very, very important stuff that's just really being missed, although there are more and more doctors who are understanding the value. Yeah. That the body is an energy system and energy and information system, and they're starting to integrate that more.   Michael Hingson ** 15:08 And at least, my opinion, is they should. There is a lot more to it. It isn't all about drugs and surgery or shouldn't be. And so it is nice to see a lot of movement toward more, what, what many might call spiritual but there's, there's so much scientific evidence and anecdotal evidence that validates it, that it's, it's good, that more people are really starting to look at it. Yeah,   Kathi Sohn ** 15:37 absolutely. And this, if this might be an appropriate place to talk a little bit about some of the scientific underpinnings of the work that I'd like to discuss. There is science behind it, and you know that when there's research that's done in, say, the pharmaceutical area, it ends up the public will find out about it through, say, new new medications. With technology, you know, you went there's some breakthrough. You end up with something new for your phone. But some of the breakthroughs that were made in the 80s about the awareness of babies and children, especially babies in the womb, and also the mind body connection. You can you can see it referenced in some, you know, scientific papers, but it doesn't really often make it to to the public, and it is very relevant to the to the public. And that's what my late husband did, was he took this research and he turned it into a practical application to people's everyday lives. One of the most really stunning discoveries back in the 70s and 70s and 80s was made by someone named Dr Candice PERT. She wrote Molecules of Emotion, and they were trying to figure out why drugs work in the body. They figured it was sort of a lock and key that if, if you know so APO opiates worked in the body. They they figured that there was an opiate receptor somewhere. And during the course of this, they sort of accidentally discovered that during emotional events, the neurotransmitters from the brain travel to receptors all over the body, that they're actually located everywhere and in the organs, in the muscles. And Dr pert would make statements like deep trauma puts down deep roots in the body. You know, your body is your subconscious mind, so that is very, you know, very strong underpinning for the body memory process at that whole mind, body connection that we never really understood so well before   Michael Hingson ** 18:00 one of our earliest podcasts, it was actually number 18. I just looked it up. Was with a gentleman, Dr Gabe Roberts, and it was also from, I think a pot of Palooza was the first one I attended. And he is a psychologist, and he or he deals with psychological things, but one of the things that he talked a lot about, and talks a lot about, is people's traumas and their injuries and the things that bother them and and even the things that are good are all actually holograms that are in your memory. And he calls them holograms because you can get to a particular one, and hologram usually is really something that's just composed of a whole bunch of littler holograms. But what he does to help people is to work with them to find that hologram that they thought they got rid of, that they didn't really get rid of, because everything is always in your memory, and if you don't really deal with it, then it's going to sit there and continue to to affect you. But what he does is he works to help people find those memory things that really need to be corrected, and then helps them to correct it was fascinating interview. As I said, it's number 18 and unstoppable mindset. So my point it'd be, I think you might find it fun, and I think other people might find it fun to   Kathi Sohn ** 19:30 listen to. Yeah, definitely that. That sounds incredibly interesting. He's   Michael Hingson ** 19:35 in Kansas. I'm not sure if it's Kansas City, but he's in the Kansas area somewhere, as I recall, well, so you did all that, and then you, you were working at the Department of Defense. Were you a civilian and working essentially as a contractor, or working,   Kathi Sohn ** 19:52 yes, as a civilian? I It was sort of a natural, you know, from being in the military. Then I was. Able to find an assignment as a civilian when I got I only did four years in the Army. I never intended it really to be a lifetime career, but it was enough time again for me to turn things around. Well,   Michael Hingson ** 20:14 that's not the issue, isn't it? Yes,   20:17 yes, absolutely.   Michael Hingson ** 20:19 So I mean, that's, that's and your father. So your father was right, and obviously he cared a lot about you Yes,   Kathi Sohn ** 20:27 and helped me with that. I Yes, I, my father did me such a great service by pointing me in that direction. I mean, my, my, you know, incredible career that I could not have imagined myself in if he hadn't pointed me in that direction, so I don't know what I would be doing. Hopefully it's still not floundering in college somewhere.   Michael Hingson ** 20:49 Yeah, so is there a truth to the old Jerry Lewis song, the baby gets a gravy and the army gets the beans. But anyway, it's a cute song. I listen to it every so often on my little Amazon Echo device. It's cute, yeah. But so, so when did you meet your husband through all this?   Kathi Sohn ** 21:11 Yeah, so it was 1994 and so I was pretty much square in the middle of my my career, my civilian career. And it was a there was a friend of mine that was sort of a mutual friend. She she knew him as well. I was living in Maryland, and David was living in Alabama, actually, where I live now. And she kept saying, You got to meet this guy. And kept saying to him, You got to meet this girl. It was one of those sort of matchmaker deals. And and she was right, even though the the both David and I weren't really looking for someone. So when she actually dragged him to my doorstep on Fourth of July, 1994 you know, there were some sparks, I think that we acknowledged that, but it took some time. I mean, we dated for almost three years before we were married, and then we were we were married for about 25 years, wow, before I last, before I lost David, and it was, you know, really wonderful. And, like all marriages, you know, some some, some ups and downs, but the overall theme was that we supported each other, you know, he was, you know, really incredible. I spent I would go to, I would go to war zones every now and then he would tell people, yeah, and then she came home with a flack vest and said, you know, by the way, this is where I'm going to be going. You know, when, when I came to him, and I guess it was 20 so 2017 I'm trying to what exactly, before that was 2015 the kids were still pretty young, but it was, it was really important for me to do a job, actually, in Afghanistan that was going to take me away from home for six months there. And he said, You know what, if it's if it's important to you, it's important to me, and we'll make it work. And he came from a military family, so we really understood that type of, yeah, he understood mission and commitment, right? And yeah. So he was probably never,   Michael Hingson ** 23:38 I never, needless to say, got to serve in the military because they they don't. When the draft was around, they wouldn't draft blind people, and later on, they wouldn't allow blind people to enlist, although, during the time of Afghanistan and Iraq, there were a few people who lost eyesight while in the military, and a couple of a few of them were allowed to to continue. But they never let me do that, and I, and I, and I understand the the prejudice, if you will, but it, it doesn't really stand that everyone has to be able to go into combat directly, and they could have found other jobs, but that's okay, and I certainly don't hold it against the military in any way, but I do appreciate the responsibility, and I've learned enough about military life from talking to a number of people and and my father was in World War Two, so starting with him, but others learning a lot about military. I appreciate what you're saying about it taught you a lot about responsibility. It taught you about commitment and so on. The closest I come to that is when I worked at Guide Dogs for the Blind any number of the puppy raiser families, those are the families that have agreed to take a guide dog puppy when they're about nine weeks old and they'll raise the dog, teach them basic obedience, teach them how to behave. In public and so on. And one of the things that children say, young kids who want to be puppy raisers and who take on the responsibility, is they learn so much about responsibility from doing that, because when they take on the job, it means they have to do the job, because the dog has to get used to somebody doing it, and they do such a wonderful job of raising these dogs who come back and they, a lot of them, become successful guide dogs. Not every dog does, because not every dog is really cut out to be a guide dog, but it's, it's not military, but it is still teaching responsibility and commitment. And the young kids who do it and really catch on are great. Yeah,   Kathi Sohn ** 25:42 yeah. So yeah, I can see the corollary there,   Michael Hingson ** 25:45 yeah, oh yeah. There's definitely some. It's pretty cool. Well, so I'm sorry, of course, you you lost your husband. I lost my wife Three years later, as you know, in 2022 but tell me so he was for a lot of the time when you were married. Was he in the military, or did he do other things? No,   Kathi Sohn ** 26:06 he was not in the military. They would not let him in the military because when he was 14, he was he had a near death experience. He had double staff pneumonia, and he was pronounced dead for a period of time, no respirations, no heart rate for a significant period of time. And then his dad noticed Bill something on the monitor, and there he was back again, and it's one of the reasons why he had ended up actually pulling this work together. So he he wanted to be in he was actually in ROTC, and I think it's interesting that he got through all of that, and then they decided that they didn't want to medically clear him to go into the military. But the men in his family always became military officers. His his dad was a general in the Air Force, and the closest that he got was helping with medevac, like Tanzania. And I remember him telling me the some stories about that he was working as an EMT, and he managed to do some connections to be able to do this work, just to be somewhat a part of, you know, the Vietnam War, but he really wanted to to be a military officer, and they just wouldn't allow him. But I think that maybe God wouldn't allow him because he had a different mission. I'm pretty convinced of that. So,   Michael Hingson ** 27:36 so he became a doctor.   Kathi Sohn ** 27:40 No, he, he had a couple of very advanced degrees, and, let me had a couple of doctorates, but he did not choose to not a medical doctor, to be a medical doctor, right, and do any type of mainstream work, because what he, what he brought in, was really kind of cutting edge, and you wanted to have the freedom, to be able to to put the work together without somebody telling them that, you know, is got it for regulations. He couldn't do that.   Michael Hingson ** 28:11 Well, let's get to it. I know you've alluded to it, and we've kind of circled around it. So tell us about the body memory process, and tell us what he did and all that you want to tell us about that Sure.   Kathi Sohn ** 28:24 So I talked a little earlier about the some of the the I talked about Dr Candice Kurt and the what she talked about with the by the mind body connection, what she learned and right about that time was also some research by Dr David Chamberlain about the consciousness of babies. Just, you know, they didn't even realize, I mean, the birthing practices were actually rather traumatic, really, just regular birthing practices in terms of the baby coming from that warm environment into a rather cool temperatures and very bright lights. So Dr Chamberlain did a lot of work. He wrote books like babies, remember birth and the mind of your unborn baby. And really brought a lot to bear about about how influential that period of time in our life can be. So then to take a couple steps backwards. First, we talked about David having that near death experience, and as he was growing up, the doctors kept telling him that he was never truly going to be well, and he kind of railed against that, and he was like, Well, you know, it really brought him to wonder, okay, what truly is wellness? So back in, back in that day, nobody was really talking about it. I think that if you look online these days, you see a lot of different theories about wellness and. You know, is across a spectrum, right of not just mind, body and spirit, but so many other things, including environmental factors. But he, in his quest for wellness, he did study the Far Eastern medicine medical practices, and he he studied Dr Chamberlain's work and about the such as Dr perks work, about the mind body connection. And so he pulled together what he called the body memory process, based upon the fact that what we believe, like the power of belief and the mind body connection and the awareness of babies and children that we had never really realized before about how they actually can create their reality. I mean, they they, but Dr Bruce Lipton calls if you're familiar with biology and belief, he talks about putting these programs in the place that we you know, we're born with sort of the operating system, but we need the programs. And so what we observe and what we experienced before we're seven years old, largely, we put together the core belief system. And so that's the body memory process is about, you know, basically how this all comes about. That's sort of like the this, the sort of the in the information part, there's a discovery part, which is, you know, what are your childhood vows? David called them vows, because, just like wedding bows, they're about what we promise ourselves, about how we're going to be in life, based upon these decisions we make when we're very, very young and and then so between, you know that that mind, body, spirit, side of things, he pulled together this process where, after you have discovered what your vows are, then there is a release process, how to be able to let that go. And these, these beliefs are in, these Vows are actually in our cell memory, kind of like that hologram that you were talking about before, and David created a process for people to be able to then, sort of like, if it's a vow, then to disavow it, to be able to empty the cell memory. Because he said, If you, if the cup is full, right, you can't put anything new in, you know? You can try with affirmations, you can try, through willpower, to change a habit, but if you, but if you have these, these, this energetic you know aspect to yourself, these vows that are actually in your subconscious and are there, then it needs to be dealt with. That energy needs to be released in order to be able to truly create what you want in the present moment as an adult.   Michael Hingson ** 33:11 Hence the title of your book. You made it up now stop believing it. Yes, yeah. I figured I love the title. That's a great title. So, so what exactly is the body memory process then?   Kathi Sohn ** 33:27 So it's the book goes into live details about it, you know, there, there is a discovery aspect to it, you know, and there's that's that involves both subjective and objective data, if you will. It's, you know, what, what am I feeling in my body? Where do I carry tension? Maybe, if I have the same thing, you know, sort of happening over and over again, like I I always, maybe, maybe it's the right side of my body where I'm always, maybe I'm stubbing my right toe or, you know, maybe I've, whenever I have a I fall down, you know, it's always like, I land on the right side, and I create problems there, and maybe I have a really tight right hip. You know, it's like, what, what's going on in your in your body? It's about what's going on in your life. I mean, how are, how are things overall, with your health, with your finances, with your relationships, with your career. And then there's, you know what? What was going on start in your very early life, starting with when you were in the womb, like, what was going on with mom, you know what? And that's sort of like an investigative process that clients get to do, you know, if mom is still around then, that she's really probably the best source of information there, but there could be other family members who are who are aware, and sometimes you don't. Get a lot, or maybe you don't even get any information from that period of time, and you need to just do a lot of this work through, through, you know, through intuition and and being being able to take a look at sample beliefs, which I have a collection of over 900 that David had gathered over the years of working with his clients, and to be able to take a look and see what resonates. You know, clients find that very valuable. To be able to say, oh, yeah, yep, that's absolutely me, you know, right there, because sometimes it's difficult to access it, because it's in the subconscious. I I have a video that I've created to help walk people through that discovery process. And since losing David, I've done whatever I can to sort of replicate what he was able to do quite intuitively. He would, he would be with someone for about three, three and a half hours, and he could just laser being right to do what was going on based upon how they were talking about what was going in their life, on in their life now and then, talking about what their childhood was like, Mom, Dad, how the relationship was. He would listen to how they would talk. He called it listening them, not listening to because when you're listening to someone, sometimes you're already thinking about what you want to say next to contribute to the conversation, which is fine, but when you're when you're listening someone. You're giving them that full space. You pull in all your energy, and you give them the full attention so that you can catch them saying pretty much their script. He said, you could, you know, you could hear even their birth script like they would, their belief system would just sort of come out. And the things that they would say, like, well, I know nobody ever really believes me, right? So as an example, and sometimes we might say that sort of in just in talking, it's sort of an assumption there that people just let that go, unless there's someone who's really engaged and says, Hey, wait a minute, let's talk about that a little bit like, what's the evidence that you have that nobody ever believes you and and sometimes people need to be able to take some of these assumptions that they that they just find they live their life by, and actually challenge them and say, you know, where does that come from? And try to get back to, you know, when, when that first occurred, because then thereafter, a lot of times it's just a self fulfilling prophecy, and every and he just keeps reinforcing itself.   Michael Hingson ** 37:48 Well, yeah, and we, we sell ourselves short in so many ways. And one of the things that you talked a little bit about is is childhood and so many people think, well, you're when you're when you grow up, your childhood is left behind. And I gather that you're saying, No, that's not true, because even from the womb, there's memory. How. How do we know that?   Kathi Sohn ** 38:16 Really, I think it's if you don't just sort of deal with whatever was going on back then, then it is going to sort of reach up and bite you at some point. I mean, everybody has something, even the people who say they have the have had the most perfect childhood. Because it's not about when I talk about childhood trauma in the book, and I talk about trauma, it's not about abuse and neglect. I mean, unfortunately that happens to many, but it's about how we actually sort of traumatize ourselves, because we're not yet logical. So before we're seven, we're not we're not even logical, and we're largely, you know, in our emotional brain, and we're the center of our own universe. We're very egocentrical During those years, and so we tend to jump to the conclusion that it's about right, it's about me, something happened, or mom and dad are fighting. It's about me, right? Or anything that goes wrong, it's either about something I did or something I didn't do. That was really big for me, like it's one of the other damned if I do, damned if I don't. So yeah, I would, I would be willing to make a rather bold statement that says everyone has something that they could look at from their early life, and that, because it's having some type of an impact on your adult life.   Michael Hingson ** 39:45 Has anyone ever used hypnosis to help somebody actually go back and and either at least learn about maybe that early childhood or even pre birth kind of thing   Kathi Sohn ** 39:59 I'm. Sure. I mean, so, you know, David created his work, and he called it the body memory process. It's not the only game in town, right there. There are other people who are are doing other things that are similar. I think Hypno, hypnosis, hypnotherapy, can get you there as well. I think that there's also something called rebirthing that was something that was going on, I think, that came out of the of the 80s as well, which was about, very specifically, getting you back to when you were born, right? What was going on during that time? So I think that you know anything that that that works for for you, to get you, you know, back into that time period is good. I think what makes David's work so especially powerful is that he has a very balanced sort of mind, body, spirit approach. And that is not just about, well, here's the bad news. It's about, you know, here's the good news too, because here's a way to be able to let that go and and to be able to move on. You know, I when we talk about, when I talk about this topic of going back to your childhood, I always think of that scene from The Lion King, where the monkey, you know, Rafiki, sort of bops The Lion, the young lion, Simba on the head right with the stick that says, It doesn't matter. It's all in the past. And that's true to on the one hand, because we need not dwell on the past, we need to be able to get the goodness from it, learn from it. That's the point, and then be able to let it go. And I think that's what the body memory process does, is it takes us back to be able to do that, that self examination, and then gives us a way to then be able to move on and not dwell on it, because it's not who we are. It's not it doesn't define us, even though, if we're not aware of it, we inadvertently let it define us. Yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 42:10 and that's the issue. It's like I always say, and many people say, in the National Federation of blind, blindness doesn't define us. It is part of who we are, but it doesn't define us. But when we allow something specific to define us without understanding the importance of it, that's a problem, but that is something that we have control over if we choose to do it.   Kathi Sohn ** 42:32 Yes, yes, absolutely. So how did David   Michael Hingson ** 42:36 come to actually create the whole concept of the body memory process.   Kathi Sohn ** 42:42 Well, you know, again, I think it was his personal quest for wellness that got him, you know, into doing the the investigative work that he did. He actually had other other work that he was doing for a while. He did a home restoration, you know. And he was a builder, a home builder, at one point, but this work just really kept calling him. And it was, I think, the early 80s. It was somewhere around 1984 I think that he started actually working with clients where he had pulled together all of this information and created the the discovery and then the release process for poor beliefs. But he there was someone who actually paid for him to go through a lot of the trainings that were going on in the 80s, like life, spring was one of them, and there's a few others where I think there was this human potential movement. Back during that time, people were starting to turn inward. And then, of course, at the same time all of this research was was coming out, like Dr Chamberlain and Dr PERT. So I think that David was is sort of like in the middle of a perfect storm to be able to create this because he had his own personal motivation. He had access to the all of the state of the art research that was going on around him during that time period, and he was also very intelligent and very intuitive. So he said that when he came back from his near death experience, he he knew that there, there was a reason that he came back. So I think he always had a sense of mission that he wanted to make a contribution to the world. And then it just over time, it just became clearer and clearer what that was. Yeah.   Michael Hingson ** 44:51 So have you had any direct experience with the body memory process? I.   Kathi Sohn ** 44:59 Yes, I absolutely have. I used to tell David that I was his poster child because of, because I had a lot of stuff that I was dealing with. I I had a birth mom, and then I had an adoptive mom, and I had, you know, my own, my own baggage that came from, from both. So I had, you know, many layers to, you know, to work through. But I guess, you know, there's always got to be something. You know, David said that he would work with the greedy, the needy and the greedy. He said the needy were the were people who ended up in some sort of crisis, because this, if you call it, your life script, which was another word for this collection of vows that we create during early life, that your your life script can either keep you in your comfort zone or it will keep you in crisis. There's really, there's, there's really two, but two, those two avenues, when you have this unexplored stuff that's that's going on, right? And then the greedy are the people who would like pretty good and they just want more, and he's so and it's all valid. It's all good, right? The different avenues that lead us to the work. For me, it really was a personal crisis that had been simmering for me through all of my life, starting when I was very, very young. I mentioned earlier that I was kind of shy, but it was really, really difficult for me just to just through school when you know I knew the answers to things. I wanted to be able to to talk in front of the class, but it was so scary for me just to be the center of attention. It was just, I just think of, there's some of the stories are kind of funny in my mind about what happened, even to the point where once I got in front of the class and I was laughing at my own science fiction story that I had written, and then everybody else started laughing. And that was actually a pretty positive experience, but most of them were rather negative, but it didn't really come to a head for me until I was a manager. I worked my up, my way up in at the Defense Department, and I was in in charge of an office. I I needed to be able to speak to my personnel. I had staff meetings, and I had greater and greater responsibilities. I needed to lead conferences and things like that. And I became face to face with my own fears of just being in front of a great as bigger and bigger rooms of people. And I know that, you know, this is a common thing for for for people, common fear with public speaking. But for me, it was, it's just, I can't even explain on the inside how difficult it was. I managed to pull it off a lot of times, and people would compliment me, and they didn't, you know, like you didn't look nervous. But I realized that I had to deal with it, or it was going to make me ill because of internally, the turmoil I was going through. And so I did use the work and ended up discovering, I told you that my parents adopted kids from very difficult beginnings, as it as I discovered, again, that's another story, but a little bit later in life, I had been, you know, basically At six months I had been born, though, from from an attack from my birth mom, so she tried to to do a home abortion when I was six, only six months along, and so that was rather traumatic, you know? I ended up born. I was an orphan, and I didn't have, you know, I wasn't received into the world by a loving mom. And then I think what was piled on top of that was the fact that I was in an incubator, and I was peered at by the medical staff, probably many of whom didn't think I was going to make it. So, you know, when you again, based upon the work that Dr Chamberlain did, and the idea of the connectedness, and that everything is about energy, and that there is communication that's going on, but it's at a sort of at a vibrational level, and that the infant is actually able to pick up on that, it's not, it's not about language, right? It's not about their mental development. It's something else that, you know, it just, it puts it's it puts these foundations within us into into place, until again, we're able to get back into that energy and be able. To deal with it. So for me, it was about that judgment. Whenever I got myself, got in front of a room, you know, I was that little baby in an incubator, and people that were, you know, like, I don't think she's going to make it. And so that was sort of a, if you picture, if you, if you kind of take that and overlay that on, you know, speaking in front of a room, what is not being able to make it or, you know, or dying, you know, it's like, Well, I kind of screw up, right? I forget what I was going to say. Or, but, and again, it's not, it's not, it's not rational. I couldn't say that it was I knew very specifically of what the turmoil was about. It was just about this intense energy that I could not define. But it was there for me. It was like I was right back in that incubator being evaluated and fighting for my life.   Michael Hingson ** 51:01 So what did you do?   Kathi Sohn ** 51:04 Well, I did the body memory process. Well, first I had my my my David and I sat down, and we really explored it, and I was able to put words to it. So for me, it was they watched me to see when I'm going to die and when I was able to do the body memory process, and again, it's all outlined in the book, but you know, the specific process around that I was able to, over time, increasingly, be able to feel comfortable in front of a room. And now I do public speaking, I'm able to be on camera and take David's work, you know, really to the world, and be the face of the work. If he had said that I was going to be doing this back in those years, I would have said, You've got to be kidding me. There's no way that I could, that I could do that through most of the years. When I had David, I was so thankful that he was the one who stood in front of the room right he was the one in front of the camera, and I was very happy to support him from behind the scenes. But I think that when I made the decision to carry on his work, and I think that's when I did the final steps of the process of being able to release all of that and say, Okay, again, that's in the past. Right to to be able to have to let that go, realize it for what it was. But it's not about who I am now. But   Michael Hingson ** 52:35 the issue is that you recognize it, you you learn from it, which is why it's important that you acknowledge it, yes. And you know, in live like a guide dog. We talk, as you know, about self analysis, introspection and so on. And I wish more people would do it. And I wish people would do it more often. I'm a fan of saying that people should do it every day. You should look at what at the end of the day. Look at what happened today, what worked, what didn't work, and even the stuff that worked, could I do it better, or the stuff that maybe didn't work? It's not a failure, it's a learning experience, and you should use it and treat it as that, which is why I also tell people never use the term. I'm my own worst critic. I've learned that I'm my own best teacher, which is a whole lot more positive anyway.   Kathi Sohn ** 53:25 Yes, absolutely. The other thing, Michael and Anna, and this is from, I think, in an interview that you were in when they were talking about what you were going through on 911 and you know you as the you were thinking to saying to God, gee, we got through one tower, and now there's another one coming down and and what are we facing? And that you you your own guidance you heard about. Just don't try to just what you can control. Can worry about what you can Right, right? And I think that's what this work is about, is that if we go through life and we're not we don't know that all of this is operating below the surface. It's so easy to blame events and people and circumstances and conditions for everything, but if we're willing to take personal responsibility, and go back to those early years, then we are doing something about what we can do, and then when we go forward in our adult life, we can handle those crises, and we can be much more in control of ourselves. And that's where we're we're truly in a place of power, because we can't control all those events and conditions, but we can be, you know, I just think again, that's why you're so inspirational. Like, okay, you know, you couldn't do anything about what was going on around you in in New York, but you were able to be. Com and trust your dog and to trust God, and that's the way we want to be in life.   Michael Hingson ** 55:06 Well, and that went both ways. The dog trusted me as well, and it and it really is a two way trust situation. You know, I read articles even as late as 30 years after I was born, about people who became blind from the same thing that I did, retroenter fibroplasia, now called retinopathy or prematurity, and I'll never understand why they changed the name doesn't change anything. But anyway, people sued their doctors, even 30 years later, and won lawsuits because medical science had started to learn. At least a couple of doctors had discovered. One specifically discovered that giving a child in an incubator, a premature baby, a pure oxygen environment, 24 hours a day, could be a problem for retinal development, and even if you gave them a little bit of regular error, the incidence of blindness went to zero, but it wasn't accepted by medical science, and so people sued, and they won, and I and I asked my dad one day, what do you think? Should we go back and sue the doctors? And he said, and what would it accomplish? Yeah, and he was absolutely right. And I wasn't asking him, because I was ready to go do it. I was just curious to see what he thought about it. And he thought, really, the same thing that I did, what would it accomplish? Even if we won, it doesn't do anything, and it ruins lives, because the doctors were doing the best with what they had. You couldn't prove negligence, yeah,   Kathi Sohn ** 56:39 absolutely it's they were doing the best with the information they had, and that's the way we should be with ourselves too, right? This isn't about going back and then get feeling guilty or blaming your parents or, you know, blaming yourself. We did the best that we in our own lives, at every stage of our lives. You know, we really are doing the best that we can with the information and the resources that we have   Michael Hingson ** 57:04 exactly, and that's what we should do. Yes. So what are some ways that people can benefit from the body memory process?   Kathi Sohn ** 57:14 Well, you know, again, I get, I had mentioned that 360 degree, look at your life there, there's, there's so many ways that you you can can benefit, because when you have this energy that you haven't discovered these, these, these beliefs, there, there is, there are words that You can put to it, and that actually plays out in your life, sometimes in very, very limiting ways. And you know, if you're looking at, say, finances, if you were raised with, you know the root of money, the root of evil is, you know money is the root of evil. You know that in you have that operating, then you're you're going to have a limit, a limit, you know, a limited way that you're interacting with money. I like to talk about some of the rather innocuous ways that, you know, relatives talk to us when we're little, and, you know, they end up impacting us as adults and limiting us, for example, if, if I have an uncle who says, Well, you know this, the Smiths are hard workers. We work hard for every penny. We don't make a lot, but we work really hard for every penny we make. It's like, okay, well, gee thanks. Now, you know, I'm going to grow up, and that's in there, in my subconscious. And, you know, I, I'm gonna, I believe that I have to work hard. And not only do I have to work hard, but I'm, you know, I may, I can't really earn money easily, right? So maybe investments are off the table for me, investments that might yield, you know, a lot of money. I mean, there's, there's, there's so many ways that this plays out in our life, and we don't even know that it's it's impacting us in what we do, and then what we're not doing, you know, if we're not taking risks, that could actually be good for us because of this. So people would benefit from from just taking a look, because you don't know, you know where it could could help you, but I can say that it can help you across health, across finances, relationships. That's huge about you know, what you observed in your parents and how they talk to each other, and then how how you are in relationship as an adult. So in so many different really, those important areas of our lives, this type of work can really benefit. There   Michael Hingson ** 59:57 are so many things that. Happen to us, or that we become involved in in some way or another, that are really things that we chose to have happen, maybe whether we realize it or not, and it's really all about choice, and likewise, we can choose to be successful. It may not happen exactly the way we think, but it's still a matter of choice, and that is something that is so important, I think, for people to learn about and to understand that you can make choices, and it's it's all about learning. So when you make a choice, if it doesn't work out, or it doesn't work out the way you thought, and it's not a problem, or it is a problem, then you make another choice, but if we don't explore and we don't learn, we won't go anywhere, right, right? Well, this has been a lot of fun, and I hope people will go out and buy the book again. You made it up. Now stop believing it. I love the title and and I hope that people will get it. We put a picture of it in the show notes, so definitely go check it out. And I want to thank you for being here and spending the last hour plus with us. I I've enjoyed it. I've learned a lot, and I always like to learn, so that's why doing this podcast is so much fun. So thank you for that. And I want to thank you all for listening wherever you are or watching if you're on YouTube. Cathy was a little bit worried about her room isn't as neat as she maybe wanted it, so she wasn't sure whether it was going to be great to video. And I pointed out, I don't have a background or anything. Don't worry about it. The only thing I do is close my door so my cat won't come in and bother us.   1:01:41 Oh, yeah, me too, yeah. Well, stitch   Michael Hingson ** 1:01:44 is probably out there waiting, because it's getting close to one of them many times during the day that she wants to eat, and I have to pet her while she eats. So we do have our obligations in life. Yes, we do, but it's fun, but I want to thank you for being here. But thank you all, and please, wherever you're listening or watching, give us a five star review. We value it. I'd love to hear your thoughts about today and our episode. So if you would email me, I'd appreciate it. Michael H, I m, I C, H, A, E, L, H i at accessibe, A, C, C, E, S, S, I, B, e.com, or go to our podcast page. Michael hingson.com/podcast, Michael hingson is m, I, C, H, A, E, L, H, I N, G, S o, n.com/podcast, definitely love to get your thoughts Kathy. How do people get a hold of you if they want to learn more? Or are you are you doing coaching or working with people today?   Kathi Sohn ** 1:02:37 Yes. So if you go to Kathi sohn.com, that's k, A, T, H, I, s, O, H n.com, there's a lot of information on there. You can learn more about body memory. You can get a free chapter of the book. I have a couple other free gifts on there. You can and you can learn about my coaching programs. I have private coaching and for individuals, and I love to work with parents as well.   Michael Hingson ** 1:03:06 Well, there you go. There you go. So Kathisohn.com and I hope people will do that again. We really appreciate a five star review. And Kathy for you, and all of you out there, if you know anyone else who ought to be a guest on unstoppable mindset, because you feel they have a story they should tell introduce us. And if they don't think they can come on and tell the story, I'll talk with them. And oftentimes I can show people why it's important that they come on and tell their story. A lot of times, people say, I don't really have anything that makes me unique or different. Well, yeah, you do the fact that you're you, but anyway, if you know anyone who ought to be a guest, we'd love to hear from you and Kathy, if you know anyone same for you. But again, I really appreciate you being here and being a part of unstoppable mindset today. So thank you very much for coming.   1:03:56 Yes, thank you for having me here.   Michael Hingson ** 1:04:02 You have been listening to the Unstoppable Mindset podcast. Thanks for dropping by. I hope that you'll join us again next week, and in future weeks for upcoming episodes. To subscribe to our podcast and to learn about upcoming episodes, please visit www dot Michael hingson.com slash podcast. Michael Hingson is spelled m i c h a e l h i n g s o n. While you're on the site., please use the form there to recommend people who we ought to interview in upcoming editions of the show. And also, we ask you and urge you to invite your friends to join us in the future. If you know of any one or any organization needing a speaker for an event, please email me at speaker at Michael hingson.com. I appreciate it very much. 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The conclusion of the July 2024 edition of things unearthed literally or figuratively covers animals, shipwrecks, and medicine. But it starts with the assorted things that don't fit in a category, which are grouped as potpourri. Research: Binswanger, Julia. “Groundbreaking Research Shows Ancient Egyptians Were Conducting Cancer Surgery Over 4,000 Years Ago.” Smithsonian. 5/29/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/groundbreaking-research-shows-ancient-egyptians-were-conducting-cancer-surgery-over-4000-years-ago-180984431/ Feldman, Ella. “The Judy Garland Museum Wants to Buy Dorothy's Ruby Slippers.” Smithsonian. 6/25/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-judy-garland-museum-wants-to-buy-dorothys-ruby-slippers-180984604/ Mount Vernon. “Archaeologists Discover Two Intact, Sealed 18th Century Glass Bottles During Mansion Revitalization at George Washington's Mount Vernon.” 4/22/2024. https://www.mountvernon.org/about/news/article/archaeologists-discover-two-intact-sealed-18th-century-glass-bottles-during-mansion-revitalization-at-george-washington-s-mount-vernon/ Mount Vernon. “Archaeologists Unearth 35 Glass Bottles from the 18th Century at George Washington's Mount Vernon During Mansion Revitalization, Most Containing Perfectly Preserved Cherries and Berries.” 6/13/2024. https://www.mountvernon.org/about/news/article/archaeologists-unearth-35-glass-bottles-from-the-18th-century-at-george-washington-s-mount-vernon-during-mansion-revitalization-most-containing-perfectly-preserved-cherries-and-berries/ Helm, Charles and Alan Whitfield. “Stingray sand 'sculpture' in South Africa may be oldest example of humans creating an image of another creature.” Phys.org. 4/1/2024. https://phys.org/news/2024-04-stingray-sand-sculpture-south-africa.html Mills, Charlie. “Tasmanian Devil tooth and other rare artefacts found during re-excavation of Pilbara's Juukan Gorge.” ABC News. 4/16/2024. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-17/tooth-and-artefacts-found-in-excavation-of-juukan-gorge/103729346 Burnett, Sarah. “New finds at Culloden shed light on intensity of battle.” National Trust for Scotland. https://www.nts.org.uk/stories/new-finds-at-culloden-shed-light-on-intensity-of-battle Ferguson, Alisdair. “Scottish archaeologists find potential buckle of Culloden clan chief.” 4/12/2024. https://www.thenational.scot/news/24249505.scottish-archaeologist-find-potential-buckle-culloden-clan-chief/ Brewer, Keagan. “For 600 years the Voynich manuscript has remained a mystery—now, researchers think it's partly about sex.” Phys.org. 4/16/2024. https://phys.org/news/2024-04-years-voynich-manuscript-mystery-sex.html Keagan Brewer, Michelle L Lewis, The Voynich Manuscript, Dr Johannes Hartlieb and the Encipherment of Women's Secrets, Social History of Medicine, 2024;, hkad099, https://doi.org/10.1093/shm/hkad099 Babbs, Verity. “A Dining Room With Stunning Wall Murals Unearthed in Pompeii.” Artnet. 4/11/2024. https://news.artnet.com/art-world/dining-room-murals-pompeii-2467748 Mortensen, Antonia. “A blue painted shrine is the latest discovery in Pompeii ‘treasure chest'.” CNN. 6/4/2024. https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/04/science/blue-sacrarium-pompeii-excavation-scli-intl-scn/index.html Nadeau, Barbie Latza. “Pompeii gladiator drawings suggest children saw ‘extreme form' of violence.” 5/29/2024. https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/29/style/pompeii-children-drawings-scli-intl-scn/index.html Zeilstra, Andrew. “When did the chicken cross the road? New evidence from Central Asia.” EurekAlert. 4/2/2024. https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1039445 anderson, Sonja. “Archaeologists May Have Found the Villa Where the Roman Emperor Augustus Died.” Smithsonian. 4/24/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/covered-in-ash-by-the-same-eruption-that-buried-pompeii-this-villa-may-have-belonged-to-emperor-augustus-180984212/ Kuta, Sarah. “The Public Finally Has Access to an Accurate List of Japanese Americans Detained During World War II.” Smithsonian. 4/29/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/public-finally-access-accurate-list-japanese-americans-detained-during-world-war-ii-180984241/ Artnet News. “The Stone of Destiny Was Once But a Humble Doorstep, a New Study Reveals.” 5/17/2024. https://news.artnet.com/art-world/stone-of-destiny-doorstep-2480385 “UNESCO wants to add Stonehenge to list of endangered heritage sites.” 6/25/2024. https://phys.org/news/2024-06-unesco-stonehenge-endangered-heritage-sites.html Benzine, Vittoria. “A Lavinia Fontana Portrait Enters a Museum Collection After 400 Years in Private Hands.” Artnet. 5/1/2024. https://news.artnet.com/art-world/legion-of-honor-lavinia-fontana-acquisition-2478687 Binswanger, Julia. “This 130,000-Year-Old Decorative Bear Bone May Be the Oldest Known Neanderthal Art.” Smithsonian. 5/22/2015. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/this-130000-year-old-decorative-bear-bone-may-be-the-oldest-known-neanderthal-art-180984380/ Nalewicki, Jennifer. “2,000-year-old rock art, including nearly 140-foot-long snake, may mark ancient territories in Colombia, Venezuela.” LiveScience. 6/3/2024. https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/2000-year-old-rock-art-including-nearly-140-foot-long-snake-may-mark-ancient-territories-in-colombia-venezuela Fraser, Alex. “Mona Lisa's mysterious background decrypted by art-loving geologist.” Reuters. 5/15/2024. https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/mona-lisas-mysterious-background-decrypted-by-art-loving-geologist-2024-05-15/ Benzine, Vittoria. “These Rare Aztec Manuscripts, Long in Private Hands, Were Just Acquired by Mexico.” 4/3/2024. https://news.artnet.com/art-world/rare-aztec-manuscripts-acquired-by-mexico-2462468 van den Berg, Bert. “Ancient scroll reveals new story of Plato's death—here's why you should be suspicious of it.” Phys.org. 5/6/2024. https://phys.org/news/2024-05-ancient-scroll-reveals-story-plato.html#google_vignette Anderson, Sonja. “This Newly Deciphered Papyrus Scroll Reveals the Location of Plato's Grave.” Smithsonian. 5/1/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/platos-elusive-grave-located-after-bionic-eye-penetrates-2000-year-old-papyrus-180984221/ Anderson, Sonja. “Letters Written by Ancient Roman Commanders Have Been Found in a Pet Cemetery in Egypt.” Smithsonian. 5/28/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/letters-written-by-ancient-roman-commanders-have-been-found-in-a-pet-cemetery-in-egypt-180984423/ Jane Austen's House Museum. “Frank Austen Transcription Project Underway.” https://janeaustens.house/news/frank-austen-transcription-project-underway/ Moubtahij, Zineb. “Hunter-gatherer diets weren't always heavy on meat: Morocco study reveals a plant-based diet.” 6/10/2024. https://phys.org/news/2024-06-hunter-diets-werent-heavy-meat.html Rosbach, Molly. “Legacy of Indigenous stewardship of camas dates back more than 3,500 years, OSU study finds.” EurekAlert. 5/21/2024. https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1045535 Oregon State University. “Legacy of Indigenous stewardship of camas dates back more than 3,500 years, OSU study finds.” 5/20/2024. https://today.oregonstate.edu/news/legacy-indigenous-stewardship-camas-dates-back-more-3500-years-osu-study-finds Profenna, Chiara. “Selective Indigenous camas cultivation goes back 3,500 years, OSU study finds.” HereIsOregon. 5/24/2024. https://www.hereisoregon.com/experiences/2024/05/selective-indigenous-camas-cultivation-goes-back-3500-years-osu-study-finds.html "Ancient Syrian diets resembled the modern 'Mediterranean diet'." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 12 June 2024. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/06/240612140846.htm. Delgado, Maria Jesus. “Direct evidence found for dairy consumption in the Pyrenees in the earliest stages of the Neolithic.” EurekAlert. 6/17/2024. https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1048471 Arrebola, Ruiz. “Oldest Wine Ever Found in Liquid Form Unearthed in 2,000-Year-Old Tomb.” Smithsonian. 6/18/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/this-brown-fluid-is-the-worlds-oldest-liquid-wine-too-bad-its-flavored-with-dead-roman-180984566/ Daley, Jason. “This Bread Was Made Using 4,500-Year-Old Egyptian Yeast.” Smithsonian. 8/8/2019. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/bread-was-made-using-4500-year-old-egyptian-yeast-180972842/ Kuta, Sarah. “Oldest Known Aboriginal Pottery Discovered in Australia.” Smithsonian. 5/24/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/oldest-known-aboriginal-pottery-discovered-in-australia-180984414/ Hinchliffe, Joe. “Great Barrier Reef discovery overturns belief Aboriginal Australians did not make pottery, archaeologists say.” The Guardian. 4/9/2024. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/10/great-barrier-reef-discovery-overturns-belief-aboriginal-australians-did-not-make-pottery Ulm, Sean et al. “Early Aboriginal pottery production and offshore island occupation on Jiigurru (Lizard Island group), Great Barrier Reef, Australia.” Quaternary Science Reviews, Volume 333, 2024, 108624, ISSN 0277-3791, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.quascirev.2024.108624. Stewart, Matthew et al. “First evidence for human occupation of a lava tube in Arabia: The archaeology of Umm Jirsan Cave and its surroundings, northern Saudi Arabia.” PLOS One. 4/17/2024. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0299292 Treffeisen, Beth. “Researchers unearth the long-lost homestead of King Pompey in Lynn.” 6/25/2024. https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2024/06/25/researchers-unearth-the-long-lost-homestead-of-king-pompey-in-lynn/ Northeastern University. “Pompey was elected a Colonial-era 'king.' Did researchers find the foundation of his home outside Boston?” Phys.org. 6/11/2024. https://phys.org/news/2024-06-pompey-elected-colonial-era-king.html Dylan S. Davis et al. ,Island-wide characterization of agricultural production challenges the demographic collapse hypothesis for Rapa Nui (Easter Island).Sci. Adv.10,eado1459(2024).DOI:10.1126/sciadv.ado1459 Anderson, Sonja. “Centuries-Old Maya Beekeeping Tools Unearthed in Mexico.” Smithsonian. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/centuries-old-maya-beekeeping-tools-unearthed-mexico-180984405/ Anderson, Sonja. “These 28 Horses Were Buried in an Ancient Mass Grave. How Did They Die?” Smithsonian. 6/3/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/these-french-horses-may-have-died-fighting-caesar-180984455/ Cassidy, Benjamin. “How a Trove of Whaling Logbooks Will Help Scientists Understand Our Changing Climate.” Smithsonian. 6/3/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-a-trove-of-whaling-logbooks-will-help-scientists-understand-our-changing-climate-180984424/ net. “Sunken medieval warship continues to offer up its secrets.” https://www.medievalists.net/2024/04/sunken-medieval-warship/ Casimiro, Tânia Manuel. “Metal Objects Were Much Desired: A Sixteenth-Century Shipwreck Cargo off the Coast of Esposende (Portugal) and the Importance of Studying Ship Cargos.” Journal of Maritime Archaeology. Volume 19, pages 23–40, (2024). https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11457-024-09388-5 Benzine, Vittoria. “A New Study on a 16th-Century Shipwreck in Portugal Reveals Its Valuable Cargo.” Artnet. 4/1/2024. https://news.artnet.com/art-world/portugal-shipwreck-cargo-2461227 Pearson, Natali. “Underwater cultural heritage: Studying 'orphaned objects' to work out which shipwrecks they came from.” Phys.org. 4/29/2024. https://phys.org/news/2024-04-underwater-cultural-heritage-orphaned-shipwrecks.html#google_vignette Kuta, Sarah. “This Ship Mysteriously Vanished 115 Years Ago. Now, It's Been Found at the Bottom of Lake Superior.” Smithsonian. 5/6/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/this-ship-mysteriously-vanished-on-lake-superior-115-years-ago-now-its-been-found-180984265/ Kuta, Sarah. “Wreck of WWII Submarine Found After 80 Years.” Smithsonian. 5/31/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/wreck-of-wwii-submarine-found-after-80-years-180984446/ Kuta, Sarah. “Ernest Shackleton's Last Ship, Quest, Discovered Off the Coast of Canada.” Smithsonian. 6/14/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/ernest-shackletons-last-ship-quest-discovered-off-the-coast-of-canada-180984545/ Sagar, Soumya. “'Exceptional' prosthesis of gold, silver and wool helped 18th-century man live with cleft palate.” LiveScience. 4/12/2024. https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/exceptional-prosthesis-of-gold-silver-and-wool-helped-18th-century-man-live-with-cleft-palate Davis, Nicola. “Egyptian scribes suffered work-related injuries, study says.” The Guardian. 6/27/2024. https://www.theguardian.com/science/article/2024/jun/27/egyptian-scribes-work-related-injuries-study Seo, Hannah. “Porcelain Gallbladder Found in Human Remains in Mississippi Asylum Cemetery.” Atlas Obscura. 4/24/2024. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/porcelain-gallbladder-grave net. “Medieval Squirrels Linked to Spread of Leprosy in Humans.” https://www.medievalists.net/2024/05/medieval-squirrels-leprosy/ Kuta, Sarah. “Did Body Lice Spread Bubonic Plague? Research Suggests the Parasites Are Better Vectors Than Thought.” Smithsonian. 5/23/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/did-body-lice-spread-bubonic-plague-research-suggests-the-parasites-are-better-vectors-than-thought-180984412/ Sullivan, Will. “50,000-Year-Old Neanderthal Bones Have Remains of Human Viruses, Scientists Find.” Smithsonian. 5/23/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/50000-year-old-neanderthal-bones-have-remains-of-human-viruses-scientists-find-180984404/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's time for another edition of Unearthed! Part one of this edition covers updates, art, books and letters, and edibles and potables.  Research: Binswanger, Julia. “Groundbreaking Research Shows Ancient Egyptians Were Conducting Cancer Surgery Over 4,000 Years Ago.” Smithsonian. 5/29/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/groundbreaking-research-shows-ancient-egyptians-were-conducting-cancer-surgery-over-4000-years-ago-180984431/ Feldman, Ella. “The Judy Garland Museum Wants to Buy Dorothy's Ruby Slippers.” Smithsonian. 6/25/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-judy-garland-museum-wants-to-buy-dorothys-ruby-slippers-180984604/ Mount Vernon. “Archaeologists Discover Two Intact, Sealed 18th Century Glass Bottles During Mansion Revitalization at George Washington's Mount Vernon.” 4/22/2024. https://www.mountvernon.org/about/news/article/archaeologists-discover-two-intact-sealed-18th-century-glass-bottles-during-mansion-revitalization-at-george-washington-s-mount-vernon/ Mount Vernon. “Archaeologists Unearth 35 Glass Bottles from the 18th Century at George Washington's Mount Vernon During Mansion Revitalization, Most Containing Perfectly Preserved Cherries and Berries.” 6/13/2024. https://www.mountvernon.org/about/news/article/archaeologists-unearth-35-glass-bottles-from-the-18th-century-at-george-washington-s-mount-vernon-during-mansion-revitalization-most-containing-perfectly-preserved-cherries-and-berries/ Helm, Charles and Alan Whitfield. “Stingray sand 'sculpture' in South Africa may be oldest example of humans creating an image of another creature.” Phys.org. 4/1/2024. https://phys.org/news/2024-04-stingray-sand-sculpture-south-africa.html Mills, Charlie. “Tasmanian Devil tooth and other rare artefacts found during re-excavation of Pilbara's Juukan Gorge.” ABC News. 4/16/2024. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-17/tooth-and-artefacts-found-in-excavation-of-juukan-gorge/103729346 Burnett, Sarah. “New finds at Culloden shed light on intensity of battle.” National Trust for Scotland. https://www.nts.org.uk/stories/new-finds-at-culloden-shed-light-on-intensity-of-battle Ferguson, Alisdair. “Scottish archaeologists find potential buckle of Culloden clan chief.” 4/12/2024. https://www.thenational.scot/news/24249505.scottish-archaeologist-find-potential-buckle-culloden-clan-chief/ Brewer, Keagan. “For 600 years the Voynich manuscript has remained a mystery—now, researchers think it's partly about sex.” Phys.org. 4/16/2024. https://phys.org/news/2024-04-years-voynich-manuscript-mystery-sex.html Keagan Brewer, Michelle L Lewis, The Voynich Manuscript, Dr Johannes Hartlieb and the Encipherment of Women's Secrets, Social History of Medicine, 2024;, hkad099, https://doi.org/10.1093/shm/hkad099 Babbs, Verity. “A Dining Room With Stunning Wall Murals Unearthed in Pompeii.” Artnet. 4/11/2024. https://news.artnet.com/art-world/dining-room-murals-pompeii-2467748 Mortensen, Antonia. “A blue painted shrine is the latest discovery in Pompeii ‘treasure chest'.” CNN. 6/4/2024. https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/04/science/blue-sacrarium-pompeii-excavation-scli-intl-scn/index.html Nadeau, Barbie Latza. “Pompeii gladiator drawings suggest children saw ‘extreme form' of violence.” 5/29/2024. https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/29/style/pompeii-children-drawings-scli-intl-scn/index.html Zeilstra, Andrew. “When did the chicken cross the road? New evidence from Central Asia.” EurekAlert. 4/2/2024. https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1039445 anderson, Sonja. “Archaeologists May Have Found the Villa Where the Roman Emperor Augustus Died.” Smithsonian. 4/24/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/covered-in-ash-by-the-same-eruption-that-buried-pompeii-this-villa-may-have-belonged-to-emperor-augustus-180984212/ Kuta, Sarah. “The Public Finally Has Access to an Accurate List of Japanese Americans Detained During World War II.” Smithsonian. 4/29/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/public-finally-access-accurate-list-japanese-americans-detained-during-world-war-ii-180984241/ Artnet News. “The Stone of Destiny Was Once But a Humble Doorstep, a New Study Reveals.” 5/17/2024. https://news.artnet.com/art-world/stone-of-destiny-doorstep-2480385 “UNESCO wants to add Stonehenge to list of endangered heritage sites.” 6/25/2024. https://phys.org/news/2024-06-unesco-stonehenge-endangered-heritage-sites.html Benzine, Vittoria. “A Lavinia Fontana Portrait Enters a Museum Collection After 400 Years in Private Hands.” Artnet. 5/1/2024. https://news.artnet.com/art-world/legion-of-honor-lavinia-fontana-acquisition-2478687 Binswanger, Julia. “This 130,000-Year-Old Decorative Bear Bone May Be the Oldest Known Neanderthal Art.” Smithsonian. 5/22/2015. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/this-130000-year-old-decorative-bear-bone-may-be-the-oldest-known-neanderthal-art-180984380/ Nalewicki, Jennifer. “2,000-year-old rock art, including nearly 140-foot-long snake, may mark ancient territories in Colombia, Venezuela.” LiveScience. 6/3/2024. https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/2000-year-old-rock-art-including-nearly-140-foot-long-snake-may-mark-ancient-territories-in-colombia-venezuela Fraser, Alex. “Mona Lisa's mysterious background decrypted by art-loving geologist.” Reuters. 5/15/2024. https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/mona-lisas-mysterious-background-decrypted-by-art-loving-geologist-2024-05-15/ Benzine, Vittoria. “These Rare Aztec Manuscripts, Long in Private Hands, Were Just Acquired by Mexico.” 4/3/2024. https://news.artnet.com/art-world/rare-aztec-manuscripts-acquired-by-mexico-2462468 van den Berg, Bert. “Ancient scroll reveals new story of Plato's death—here's why you should be suspicious of it.” Phys.org. 5/6/2024. https://phys.org/news/2024-05-ancient-scroll-reveals-story-plato.html#google_vignette Anderson, Sonja. “This Newly Deciphered Papyrus Scroll Reveals the Location of Plato's Grave.” Smithsonian. 5/1/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/platos-elusive-grave-located-after-bionic-eye-penetrates-2000-year-old-papyrus-180984221/ Anderson, Sonja. “Letters Written by Ancient Roman Commanders Have Been Found in a Pet Cemetery in Egypt.” Smithsonian. 5/28/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/letters-written-by-ancient-roman-commanders-have-been-found-in-a-pet-cemetery-in-egypt-180984423/ Jane Austen's House Museum. “Frank Austen Transcription Project Underway.” https://janeaustens.house/news/frank-austen-transcription-project-underway/ Moubtahij, Zineb. “Hunter-gatherer diets weren't always heavy on meat: Morocco study reveals a plant-based diet.” 6/10/2024. https://phys.org/news/2024-06-hunter-diets-werent-heavy-meat.html Rosbach, Molly. “Legacy of Indigenous stewardship of camas dates back more than 3,500 years, OSU study finds.” EurekAlert. 5/21/2024. https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1045535 Oregon State University. “Legacy of Indigenous stewardship of camas dates back more than 3,500 years, OSU study finds.” 5/20/2024. https://today.oregonstate.edu/news/legacy-indigenous-stewardship-camas-dates-back-more-3500-years-osu-study-finds Profenna, Chiara. “Selective Indigenous camas cultivation goes back 3,500 years, OSU study finds.” HereIsOregon. 5/24/2024. https://www.hereisoregon.com/experiences/2024/05/selective-indigenous-camas-cultivation-goes-back-3500-years-osu-study-finds.html "Ancient Syrian diets resembled the modern 'Mediterranean diet'." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 12 June 2024. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/06/240612140846.htm. Delgado, Maria Jesus. “Direct evidence found for dairy consumption in the Pyrenees in the earliest stages of the Neolithic.” EurekAlert. 6/17/2024. https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1048471 Arrebola, Ruiz. “Oldest Wine Ever Found in Liquid Form Unearthed in 2,000-Year-Old Tomb.” Smithsonian. 6/18/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/this-brown-fluid-is-the-worlds-oldest-liquid-wine-too-bad-its-flavored-with-dead-roman-180984566/ Daley, Jason. “This Bread Was Made Using 4,500-Year-Old Egyptian Yeast.” Smithsonian. 8/8/2019. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/bread-was-made-using-4500-year-old-egyptian-yeast-180972842/ Kuta, Sarah. “Oldest Known Aboriginal Pottery Discovered in Australia.” Smithsonian. 5/24/2024. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/oldest-known-aboriginal-pottery-discovered-in-australia-180984414/ Hinchliffe, Joe. “Great Barrier Reef discovery overturns belief Aboriginal Australians did not make pottery, archaeologists say.” The Guardian. 4/9/2024. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/10/great-barrier-reef-discovery-overturns-belief-aboriginal-australians-did-not-make-pottery Ulm, Sean et al. “Early Aboriginal pottery production and offshore island occupation on Jiigurru (Lizard Island group), Great Barrier Reef, Australia.” Quaternary Science Reviews, Volume 333, 2024, 108624, ISSN 0277-3791, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.quascirev.2024.108624. Stewart, Matthew et al. “First evidence for human occupation of a lava tube in Arabia: The archaeology of Umm Jirsan Cave and its surroundings, northern Saudi Arabia.” PLOS One. 4/17/2024. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0299292 Treffeisen, Beth. “Researchers unearth the long-lost homestead of King Pompey in Lynn.” 6/25/2024. https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2024/06/25/researchers-unearth-the-long-lost-homestead-of-king-pompey-in-lynn/ Northeastern University. “Pompey was elected a Colonial-era 'king.' Did researchers find the foundation of his home outside Boston?” Phys.org. 6/11/2024. https://phys.org/news/2024-06-pompey-elected-colonial-era-king.html Dylan S. Davis et al. ,Island-wide characterization of agricultural production challenges the demographic collapse hypothesis for Rapa Nui (Easter Island).Sci. Adv.10,eado1459(2024).DOI:10.1126/sciadv.ado1459 Anderson, Sonja. “Centuries-Old Maya Beekeeping Tools Unearthed in Mexico.” Smithsonian. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/centuries-old-maya-beekeeping-tools-unearthed-mexico-180984405/ Anderson, Sonja. “These 28 Horses Were Buried in an Ancient Mass Grave. 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Join us for a discussion with John and Jenn Rivet. John & Jenn Rivet have been living the dream together for over 32 years as avid outdoorsmen, big game outfitters, and chefs. Listen in as Cam, John and Jenn talk about the misconceptions behind bear meat, bear encounters and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com   Follow John: https://www.instagram.com/johnnyrivet/  Follow Jenn: https://www.instagram.com/jennrivet_  Thank you to our sponsors: MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off and Free Shipping Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off  Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off GoHunt: https://gohunt.com/ use code CAM when you sign up for $50 towards the gear shop + 10% off the GoHunt store Timestamps: 0:00:00 Intro: Bear Meat is a Novelty 0:10:12 Using Bear Meat for Cooking 0:11:03 John & Jenn's Part in the Lift. Run. Shoot. Event 0:14:04 John's LRS Highlight: Cam Shooting an Apple 0:15:19 John & Jenn's Bow Setups 0:16:35 2024 Success for the Rivet's Guide Service 0:19:21 The Views on Hunting & Getting Close to Bears 0:26:54 Ad Break 0:28:59 Eating Wild Game, Pet Cemetery & Old Bears 0:32:05 Big Bears & the Key to Killing a Big Bear 0:38:50 The Grind: Filming for the Movie DREAM 0:40:40 August: Baiting Bear 0:43:19 Hunting the Backwoods 0:49:24 Not Just Your Regular Black Bear 0:50:26 Tips for Preparing to Hunt with the Rivets 0:55:47 Losing an Animal After a Bad Shot 0:57:50 Why Cam Likes Bringing People to Hunt with the Rivet's 0:59:40 The Best Way to Contact the Rivet's

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Welcome to The B.A.R. (short for Banter, Ancedotes and Recollections) Podcast, where hosts Rush, Chris and Jon get together over a few drinks and reflect on getting older, memories with each other and so much more in these honest conversations between long time friends. Season 1 concludes with Rush apparently dosing himself on mucinex, Jon shares the story of his acid trip from the weekend before, and how that culminated in Rush and Jon speaking in Macho Man voices for 20 mins. Chris opens up about having to put his cat down, and the guys share stories of their pets that are no longer with us, and we wrap up the first season of the podcast with how the experience has been and what we are looking forward to for Season 2. Social Media Links:  Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheBARpod Instagram: www.instagram.com/thebarpod616 www.instagram.com/christopherbettley www.instagram.com/beardcoreog www.instagram.com/jbeatty616 Don't forget to Rate, Review, Subscribe wherever you listen to this show. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/brewspeakpod/support

On the newest episode of the pod the guys discuss the classic Vertigo WE3 by Frank Quitely and Grant Morrison. But first what was Cody's Halloween costume? Are we finally going to be doing a Tiptoes episode? How do we feel about Doctor Who? Is WE3 a quick read? Is there a lot of hype behind this comic? Did this comic influence James Gunn? Did this comic make us cry? What is meat and motion? Is Thanos an overrated villain? Does the art back up the trippy page layout? Do animals experience time differently than humans? How have these animals been modified? Which animals would we be? How does Jake feel like pet cats or rabbits? What were the covers of each issue? How do we feel about Pet Cemetery? Did Chronic Jarvis have a son? Is this short and sweet? What movies can be used to describe this comic? Do our conversations effect our Pesci score? What video games have Anthony and Jake been playing? Did Anthony have to get roommates due to the economy? Find out the answers to these in more on the newest episode of Comics and Chronic! Check out our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ComicsandChronic Check out our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.comicsandchronic.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ New episodes every THURSDAY Follow us on social media! Instagram // Twitter // TikTok : @comicsnchronic YouTube: www.youtube.com/channel/UC45vP6pBHZk9rZi_2X3VkzQ E-mail: comicsnchronicpodcast@gmail.com Cody Twitter: @Cody_Cannon Instagram: @walaka_cannon TikTok: @codywalakacannon Jake Instagram: @jakefhaha Anthony Instagram // Twitter // TikTok : @mrtonynacho YouTube: youtube.com/nachocomedy

Kavi Raz is Engineering A Future for South Asian Filmmakers Kavi Raz only appeared once in Star Trek history, but his story beyond this sci-fi franchise is what makes him truly fascinating.  Kavi appeared as Lt. Jg. Singh from the Star Trek TNG episode "Lonely Among Us," but his humble beginnings make his trip to the stars even more exciting. We learn about the journey that took him from Punjab, India, to England and Hollywood, being an engineer in real life before he played one on a starship, learning acting from Hedy Sontag, forming The Wandering Players theater troupe to bring authentic Indian theatre to L.A., and more about his past.   From there, it's onto our Trek talk, including a reveal of which leading role he initially auditioned for (and almost got), working on Stephen King's "Pet Cemetery" film with Denise Crosby, and what it was like walking through a Starship. Kavi also talks to us about his time on "General Hospital" and "M.A.S.H." Plus, why he started directing and formed his own production company, and the latest project he is working on – a streaming platform focused on Indian shows and films.  Check out "The Barefoot Warriors" and "The Gold Bracelet," among other great films and shows made by South Asian creators at Cpics.tv. NOTE: This interview was done on the day the SAG-AFTRA strike was announced, so we were unsure of the union rules for this interview, but we decided to conduct it in good faith. No other interviews with actors on this podcast were recorded after the strike began unless they were discussing those specific events. Please subscribe to our brand new YouTube channel: www.youtube.com/@trekuntold . There, you will see all the old episodes of this show, as well as new episodes and all of our other content, including shorts and some other fun things planned for the future. Visit my Amazon shop to check out tons of Trek products and other things I enjoy - https://www.amazon.com/shop/thefightnerd View the Teespring store for Trek Untold gear & apparel - https://my-store-9204078.creator-spring.com Support Trek Untold by becoming a Patreon at Patreon.com/TrekUntold. Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating if you like us! Follow Trek Untold on Social Media Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/trekuntoldTwitter: https://www.twitter.com/trekuntoldFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/trekuntold Follow Nerd News Today on Social Media Twitter:  Twitter.com/NerdNews2Day Instagram: Instagram.com/NerdNewsToday Facebook: Facebook.com/NerdNewsToday Trek Untold is sponsored by Treksphere.com, powered by the RAGE Works Podcast Network, and affiliated with Nerd News Today.

Kavi Raz only appeared once in Star Trek history, but his story beyond this sci-fi franchise is what makes him truly fascinating.  Kavi appeared as Lt. Jg. Singh from the Star Trek TNG episode "Lonely Among Us," but his humble beginnings make his trip to the stars even more exciting. We learn about the journey that took him from Punjab, India, to England and Hollywood, being an engineer in real life before he played one on a starship, learning acting from Hedy Sontag, forming The Wandering Players theater troupe to bring authentic Indian theatre to L.A., and more about his past.   From there, it's onto our Trek talk, including a reveal of which leading role he initially auditioned for (and almost got), working on Stephen King's "Pet Cemetery" film with Denise Crosby, and what it was like walking through a Starship. Kavi also talks to us about his time on "General Hospital" and "M.A.S.H." Plus, why he started directing and formed his own production company, and the latest project he is working on – a streaming platform focused on Indian shows and films.  Check out "The Barefoot Warriors" and "The Gold Bracelet," among other great films and shows made by South Asian creators at Cpics.tv. NOTE: This interview was done on the day the SAG-AFTRA strike was announced, so we were unsure of the union rules for this interview, but we decided to conduct it in good faith. No other interviews with actors on this podcast were recorded after the strike began unless they were discussing those specific events. Please subscribe to our brand new YouTube channel: www.youtube.com/@trekuntold . There, you will see all the old episodes of this show, as well as new episodes and all of our other content, including shorts and some other fun things planned for the future. Visit my Amazon shop to check out tons of Trek products and other things I enjoy - https://www.amazon.com/shop/thefightnerd View the Teespring store for Trek Untold gear & apparel - https://my-store-9204078.creator-spring.com Support Trek Untold by becoming a Patreon at Patreon.com/TrekUntold. Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating if you like us! Follow Trek Untold on Social Media Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/trekuntoldTwitter: https://www.twitter.com/trekuntoldFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/trekuntold Follow Nerd News Today on Social Media Twitter: Twitter.com/NerdNews2DayInstagram: Instagram.com/NerdNewsTodayFacebook: Facebook.com/NerdNewsToday Trek Untold is sponsored by Treksphere.com, powered by the RAGE Works Podcast Network, and affiliated with Nerd News Today.

Today on the Daily Bespoke we go deep into The Ramones and ask did they get Pet Cemetery wrong...See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When Ray was a kid, he took care of all the animals in his neighborhood… even after they were gone. Thanks, Ray, for sharing your story with us! Ray's podcast, What's Ray Saying, returns next week! Enter a world of Southern-baked personal narratives and Black American history. New episodes drop November 8, 2023. Original score by Lauryn Newson, produced by Chris Hambrick, artwork by Teo Ducot

Send us a Text Message.Happy Halloween Soap Fiends Welcome to our first ever Holiday Bonus episode.  This one is for My Bookish and Bubbly babes who prefer the mild to the wild !As an 80's relic with a distain for all things 80's I wax poetic on the appeal of two things I love to  hate,  Halloween and 80's themes!Despite my general disdain for the 80s and Halloween, you'll find out why this particular combination of the decade and the holiday holds a unique charm. Discover the artistry behind these films and why they continue to draw viewers decades later. So buckle up, grab your popcorn, and prepare to be transported back in time on this eerie journey through 80s horror cinema.One this fun filled Bonus episode I put my pride aside for the sake of the Mild Child and present you with a non-nightmare inducing range of films from the 80's.We discuss the terror of" Little Shop of Horror" along with the menacing undertones of David Bowie's "Labyrinth".We tiptoe through the world of deceased and rabid Pets with" Pet Cemetery" and "Cujo" and relive my second grade insomnia via" Killer Clowns'' from Outer Space".I'll discuss why cute boys are the cure for horror film phobia and  I'll give you the perfect 80's Halloween film' filled with fun, folly and of course terrible 80's hair/ clothing. Lock the doors Kiddies ! You're in for a mild ride!!

Welcome back to You Can't Kill the Boogeyman Podcast with your favorite spooky couple, Robby and Sammi! Today they have a very special guest: Miko Hughes! You may remember him from the classic Stephen King story Pet Cemetery, or recall seeing him hanging with Freddy in Wes Craven's New Nightmare, or maybe you're a big Kindergarten Cop fan. Plus he starred alongside Bruce Willis in Mercury Rising and had a reoccurring role on one of Robby's favorite shows, Roswell. Follow the show on Instagram @boogeymanpod! Check out Miko's Instagram: @woeismikoYou can also find your horror hosts on Instagram @robert1950studios and @thesam.a.lamYou can also find us on TikTok @1950Studios Check out our YouTube channel! Looking for a new horror shirt? Check out our Etsy store (look for 1950Studios if you can't click the link)!Email your comments and spooky suggestions to us at boogeymanpod@gmail.com!Or give us a call at 407-634-6449

To celebrate the Halloween season Brian has picked the 2019 remake of MediEvil. We cover everything to do with how the game has stayed very faithful to its 1998 roots and all the good and bad that comes with it. We also trade stories about how scary it was to play a PlayStation game without a memory card, momentarily reminisce about an obscure Sean Connery movie, and pitch a Pet Cemetery management sim. Happy Halloween everyone!

We start spooky season off with a Stephen King Classic. But does this prequel check the boxes to make it scary film or is this a dud? Spoiler Alert- We do discuss some scenes within the movie, but we try our hardest not to give away too much during our review. We also use mature language, listener discretion advised.

When your family pet sadly dies, what do you do with the body? There are three pet crematoriums in Ireland, but no pet cemeteries.Cllr Audrey Buckley, Fianna Fáil Councillor in Cork joined Sean to discuss...

Here, Kitty, kitty, kitty...

The oldest operating pet cemetery in the world is just north of NYC, and it's where dearly departed four-legged friends come to rest – and sometimes, even their owners. Grab your tissues. READ MORE IN THE ATLAS: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/hartsdale-pet-cemetery

JJ Vallow didn't have the best start in life. Both of his parents struggled with drug addiction, and so when he was born premature in May of 2012, JJ was also addicted to drugs and it took months for doctors to safely wean him off the substances that had been coursing through his little body. But shortly before his first birthday, JJ was adopted by his uncle, Charles Vallow, and Charles' pretty young wife, Lori Vallow, who had two children of her own, a son named Colby and a daughter named Tylee. Tylee and JJ hit it off immediately, and Tylee became a best friend and mini mother to her younger half brother. It seemed like JJ and Tylee were a part of one big happy family, so when they both vanished in September of 2019, and their normally attentive and loving mother Lori didn't seem overly concerned about the fact that two of her children were missing, people started asking questions. But no one could have prepared for the answers we would get. Try our coffee!! - www.CriminalCoffeeCo.com Become a Patreon member -- > https://www.patreon.com/CrimeWeekly Shop for your Crime Weekly gear here --> https://crimeweeklypodcast.com/shop Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CrimeWeeklyPodcast Website: CrimeWeeklyPodcast.com Instagram: @CrimeWeeklyPod Twitter: @CrimeWeeklyPod Facebook: @CrimeWeeklyPod ADS: 1. Bystanders Available now on Apple Podcasts or at TheBystandersPodcast.com 2. Daily Harvest Go to dailyharvest.com/crimeweekly to get up to sixty-five dollars off your first box. 

On this week's special episode, Aidan and Noah discuss all things Monique Samuels, a former star of The Real Housewives of Potomac. In this one off, we cover; Monique's marriage, her time on reality television, and her relationship wtih EDITING. Most importantly though, we hone in on her history of pet ownership and the mysterious circumstances in which those animals have either passed on or vanished from the public stage. This episode was recorded as a one off. If you're interested in longer form content, please check out the deep dives that we also have available for streaming.

Tune in today to get a better sense for how hot the discussion over parking minimums will get.

This week on the show we discuss the upcoming Wrestlemania, our Pets now and growing up, the whereabouts of Bigfoot the monster truck, and Tom's revelation of his Pet Cemetery 

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NSFW Smack My Pitch Up 97 - Mad Max: Kronk's New Dystopia Transcript at the bottom of show notes Hobbit and Thandi strap in for a diesel-fueled ride through remakes and remixed of Mad Max! Subscribe to Smack My Pitch UP! https://link.chtbl.com/smpu_gui_subscribe Check out tons of merch for the GUI Network on TeePublic: http://bit.ly/teepublicGUI GUI Network Hotline: (804) 505-4GUI (4484) (Message & data rates may apply) _________________________________________________ ● Track Info ● "In A World" "Forever Believe" "Bustin Loose" and "Hi Fi Brutality" by Jason Shaw (audionautix.com) These works are licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License. creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/deed.en_US geeksundertheinfluence@gmail.com for sponsorship inquiries TRANSCRIPT: Hobbit: [00:00:00] Hello? Hello. Hello Geeks. Welcome to another episode of smack my pitch up, the podcast that reboots remakes, reimagines sequels side-quels and adapts some of your favorite and least favorite properties from film, television and what have you. And we've got a banger here on this episode for sure, and with me to discuss the remakes and reimaginings, my co-host Thandi. Good day. I thought about doing like an accent, I think, for the betterment of everyone involved. I'm not gonna try to do that. I've never been able to nail either the British or the Australian accent cause they bleeding to each other. Thandi: Yeah. You know, what's fun about doing an accent? For me specifically I'll lose it. I'll lose it almost immediately, and it will turn into whatever it'll turn into like something racist by the end of whatever impression I'm doing, Hobbit: It could be the whitest act. I can do like a Russian accent very poorly, where you're almost offended. I don't think I have Russian background, but like I'm white enough where it's like, no, he can he's allowed to do Russian accent. No. [00:01:00] It's almost offensive. So Thandi: You don't wanna get smacked by Putin. Nobody wants to get smacked by Putin. So Hobbit: get clobbered by his giant horse. Yeah. Let's avoid that if possible. Thandi: eat you with my pick. Yeah. Hobbit: So today we are talking about, Cult Classic for sure. A movie that has spawned to multiple sequels as well as a remake that's not really a remake, so much as a kinda re, re-engagement, a re-envisioning of yeah. Thandi: Yeah it's like, old Mad Max is, what do they call the Star Wars stuff that was made before the reboot, Hobbit: Oh, those are, Thandi: The Star Wars legends or whatever, all the novels and stuff. Yeah. Old Mad Max is Mad Max Legends and . This is like, you know, the new kids. This is, even though it's the same character, it's Hobbit: And what we are talking about is Mad Max the first Mad Max movie and the universe in general. I, guess, But the thing that's interesting about that though is starting with Fury Road, if they are going with Tom Hardy as, max from now on, if they're [00:02:00] restarting this universe it is interesting where they're starting as far as the distance away from Doomsday. Like every Mad Max movie gets a little bit further away from the fall of society. Thandi: Yeah, little. Road is like hundreds of years after, like Max is a Highlander or something Hobbit: Right. Thandi: by the time of Hobbit: And the the original director, he said that Max is really more there to be Way into a slice of life of that world at that time, you know, that Max does assist with stuff happening. But for the most part it's, we're just following him around on his adventures to see where the world is at this point in the decay. And it was interesting to revisit Mad Max after it's been years. I haven't seen it since Fury Road came out, I think. Thandi: I'd only ever seen it on tv. After watching this, I realized I'd only ever seen it as a TV edit. and it's a whole different experience. This is some good [00:03:00] schlock. I was actually surprised. It's really Hobbit: holds up well and you try to explain what happens and there's three important things that happen and that's it in like 90 minutes, but it's engaging the whole time. There's never a point where I felt bored watching this, movie. Thandi: It's interesting. It's not too long, although I did feel like it dragged a little bit somewhere in the middle. It's not too long. It has some really intriguing aesthetic choices. The score is late fifties, early sixties style the orchestration, which is interesting. There's some interesting camera stuff going on. It's very surprising that this is uh, George Miller's first major movie. Hobbit: And I feel like the acting is not top-notch, but it does feel natural enough that it's even the bad actors are not that cringey. It doesn't come off poorly, I Thandi: I like some like, goose. I thought Goose Hobbit: Goose is great. Thandi: Max is actually a little bit too young. That was, my complaint. Mel Gibson is a little bit young for the Hobbit: I was mindful and made sure that I didn't go too old with Max [00:04:00] with my casting, but I did. Yeah. He is so much younger than everybody else really in the film. He looks like a baby and maybe it's just cuz we know Mel Gibson to be this like old racist dude. And this is like young racist dude, but. Thandi: This is even before big hair, incredible wings. Mel Gibson. This is, A whole different Hobbit: was looking at actors in their like early twenties, and I just, I couldn't I just, the concept of them driving a car, I'm like, you're not old enough to drive a car. You can't, Thandi: You got the cutest little baby face Hobbit: is something that I really like about Mad Max, is that there is a portrayal of a revenge film, very Western. It's completely, if you take all the beats of this movie and remove the cars and put in horses it's, and it's not the apocalypse, it's just the old West. This is a fucking Western movie. But it doesn't try to overdo the chase scenes. The chase scenes are pretty straight up. Like they're on straightaways. They're not doing all these crazy twists and turns. And max isn't this big buff fucker, he's this normal [00:05:00] sized person that he fights a little, but mostly it's just him running people over with his car. That's the majority of his skillset is just Thandi: Killing people with this Hobbit: yeah, it's, so what I liked about that is , I didn't need to cast some like action hero type necessarily for the role of. Thandi: This was pre that type anyway. They were on the, just the cusp of having leads take over in that fashion. But this is what, it's like 79, Hobbit: believe in late seventies. Yeah. Thandi: Yeah. So this is right before they start putting Adonis Godman as the other action leads. Hobbit: What a weird time. Yeah, it was the eighties pretty much all the way through until right at the end of the 80. when you had the, like Bruce Willis's and the Joe Everyman that came in and picked that back up again, but there was this like 10 year block that was just big old machismo men that ruled the world. Thandi: Yep. And then after that it was, they were all Brad Pitt types wiry, mu wiry dudes that I still resent Hobbit: of course. Oh man, there was a weird time in [00:06:00] my high school years that scrawny hairless men was the in vogue. , and that's literally the opposite of me. if you Thandi: Damn you, Moby moby Hobbit: right. It was all the lanky, fucking scrawny dudes that everybody was losing their shit over had no armpit hair, nothing. Here I am looking like a fucking lumberjack, a short little, wide lumberjack. Thandi: Yes, and both you and the scrawny, lanky dude are both looking at Mel Gibson going, Hobbit: Yeah. Pretty much. Now how the tides have turned that bearded men is now in vogue and yay. Thandi: We rule the day until Hobbit: until we go to bed at a very reasonable hour. Okay. So Mad Max, there's a lot of room to work here. I'm interested to see if either of us, decided to stick to the timeline of the post apocalypse or the dystopian world. Of the original Mad Max or took it a little bit further into the post apocalypse. Also, is this an apocalypse movie? Is this done differently? [00:07:00] I'm really interested. You have the wild one always excites me cuz you will go out there this might be in space, I don't know. So I'm. Thandi: No, the take this time is gonna be something where you're like, what? What are you doing? You know, last time you were like, wow, that is really cool. The time before you, that is fun. This one's gonna be like, yeah, Hobbit: Why Great. Mine, I feel, is a pretty straight ahead version here that I think you're gonna understand why I made the choices that I did. This is the straight up remake, reimagining what have you. I decided that the real difference here is that I didn't want to try to capture that like Aussie. Dystopian vibe. I wanted to look at what Man Max would be if it was an American director, directing American actors with an American aesthetic, but not necessarily the fast and the furious kind of aesthetic. Definitely balls to the wall a little bit. That's just, that's definitely America, but more that, action kind of [00:08:00] comedy, the die hards of it, the fun action vibe a little. With just a touch of demented to get, let it go down smoother. And I decided that Brian Taylor would be my director for that kind of journey. If you're unfamiliar. He is one of the directors of Crank one and two. He directed gamer Ghost writer Spirit of Vengeance. More recently he did the movie Mom and Dad with Nicholas Cage, which is an absolute fucking blast If you haven't seen. Thandi: I have not Hobbit: It's like an infection movie where all the parents are infected and get like homicidal and wanna murder their own children. That's what the virus does. Yeah. Basically. So it's just all these parents being like, come here honey. Stab stab. And there was a series on sci-fi that he that helps create and also directed called Happy. That was a tour de force of demented weird fantasy the main character. Chris Maloney. He has an imaginary friend that's like a flying unicorn that's voiced by Pat [00:09:00] Oswalt. It's a weird show, but definitely steeped in gross, weird demented comedy. And so that's energy that I wanted to bring to this is just a little over the top, a little bonkers but still that intensity you want from an action. And so I, for Max, that was a tough choice for me. I wanted to do a not action hero kind of person, but somebody that could get unhinged , if they really got to that point they would break bad when it got to that. And from his portrayal in mayhem this horror movie, I thought Stephen Yune would be an interesting choice for. Thandi: Oh, nice. I almost cast him in a different role, yeah. Steven. Deserves a breakout role in like a young person's breakout role like that. I know he's going for serious stuff, but Hobbit: He's definitely proven himself to be a tremendous actor. But I've also been playing this dude that gets basically infected and becomes like a raw [00:10:00] nerve of aggression in mayhem. He, it's a very fun ride that he takes you on and he's gets to play it super big and you can tell he is having a fun time with it. And so I want to be able to have that spectrum from the actor playing Max is somebody that can go subtle and quiet cuz Mel Gibson is quiet in the first man Max. He doesn't say a lot at all. So I want that to just go up to 11 when he's on his revenge. That he's what? Just freaking out and going Bonkers. So, Steven Yeun. I think it would be fun in that role for Jesse, his partner, his wife, his, the mother of his child. I wanted an actress that could play like she's got her own shit together. She's not like the damsel and distress type, but is also very funny and can play at these big action sequences and be the comic relief of the moment in some of the most like, darkest moments of this. And I just saw her recently in a really bad movie called Shotgun Wedding. The movie's fucking awful. It's the Jennifer Lopez vehicle that came out on Prime, and it's stupid. I [00:11:00] hate Thandi: Yeah, Sandra started watching that the other day, and I don't Hobbit: Yeah, it's really bad. But Darcy Carden is in it and I love her. She was in the Good place as Janet. She plays Natalie in Barry and she was also in shotgun wedding, but she's a comedic actress. She's been around and she's been in tons of. Very funny. There's something about her that's so, so just like hits me the right way. Very funny actress and has the, I'm one step ahead of you, kind of energy with her humor as well. She knows what you're gonna say and she's got five clips ready to go already. So I thought they would be a fun matchup. Jim Goose. Goose. I wanted somebody that would be like the kind of wide open, wants to be a ladies man, just fun, weird, sidekick character and a little older as well. Christopher Maloney, he's already worked with the director. I think he would've a lot of fun just being like the zany, the, sidekick, or not sidekick, but coworker, Thandi: oh, definitely. And Maloney's. Hobbit: Maloney is a fucking trip. He is such a [00:12:00] trip. Initially I had cast him as Fifi, the basic, their boss, basically. Cuz I thought Maloney would have a lot of fun just walking around shirtless, smoking a cigar and yelling at people. And he would, but I think his energies would be better spent as Jim Goose. For Fifi, I decided that role, I wanted somebody built like the. He looked like a Russian weightlifter that lifted the triangular weights only the their boss, Fifi. So I needed a buff guy that was gonna be able to have fun in this role as this really happy, big energy person. So Terry Cruz immediately jumped out as a good choice there. He Thandi: course. Hobbit: just really friendly, nice boss that people actually like, but also don't fuck with him. I could, Terry Cruz works perfectly for that. Thandi: Yeah. No, Terry Cruz is great as the big Hobbit: Yeah, that's, his whole career is pretty much playing that role for the most part except for Brooklyn nine nine. He doesn't play the big guy, quote unquote necessarily in that role. Thandi: He plays this sweet, cool-headed guy who [00:13:00] loves his family. Hobbit: I feel like Terry Cruz would be a great person to spend time with, not even get a drink with, but like, Just your friend from years ago that you go to like the park with your kids together kind of energy. He, this is a sweetheart Thandi: Who keeps trying to get you to go to the gym with him and you're like, oh Hobbit: suit? Yep. 100%. Oh, your CrossFit friend. That's Terry Cruz. Oh no. I, for the use of bad guys now that we're going with and I wanted to cast a kind of quiet intensity for Bubba Zt. And so I went with Tommy Flanagan, if you're unfamiliar he's the Irish actor with a giant gash scar in his face that was in Sons of Anarchy. He was in Sin City. He's been in Braveheart and Gladiator. Thandi: I believe I know who you're talking about, Hobbit: very well known as a, always the grizzled, tough guy and uh, toe cutter. Unhinged, boss of the biker gang. We gotta get Nicholas Cage in there at some point.[00:14:00] He's had a couple movies with Brian Taylor. He had Ghost Rider and also mom and dad, so they know how to work together. Nicholas Cage could definitely have room to do whatever Nicholas Cage wants with this role. Thandi: I'm kinda surprised that Nick Cage didn't come to mind for me for what I was, what I'm doing. That's, yeah, cuz he is a great choice for that. Hobbit: I think just giving him moments to do whatever would really make this movie. And then finally, Johnny the Boy, the drugged out fucking weirdo guy that gets in trouble and gets arrested and then gets released is the little brother character to the biker gang that always fucks up and they're always really annoyed with him. Pete Davidson. For Johnny The Boy. Yeah, that's perfect. But with this casting and Brian Taylor in this demented action comedy kind of vibe, the world that I'm setting up in the States is that basically resources are dwindled dramatically. and the coasts are really where most everybody lives because you can get to stuff easier that way through the ocean and railway systems and stuff. The [00:15:00] middle of America is basically ghosted. A lot of the crops have died at this point. resources are dwindling dramatically cuz of global warming or whatever you, whatever. It's not necessary to explain, but there's just barren wastes of just flat, dusty dust bowl . And so really the only people that exist in this area have cars, have souped up rods and cars that have extra gas tanks attached to them, randomly and basically Mad Max vehicles that they have to build out to make these long hauls in between small towns that are still existing in the Midwest. And because that also, there's not enough police force to cover these great expanses and so there's the highway patrol basically that has these. That they can get from town to town on like less gas, but still like gun it. You know, they have little bit better technology but they can only get around so much. So they're constantly on the tail of all these highway gangs. They are constantly trying to make sure all the small towns are okay, but the small towns, [00:16:00] they have their sheriffs and their people in charge, but they can only do so much when a gang of like 30 or 40 bikers comes into town. So, they've been after this gang for a while. They've been trying to prevent them from stealing the resources from the towns in their sector. And so that's how they come to know Max from him just being the best cop in their region, trying to protect these towns. So Max is there basically out of his ability to drive really well, but also he gets better resources by being friendly with all these towns that have resources. And they thank him by giving him water and gas and clothes and stuff for his car. As a bribe basically, hey, pay more attention to us than the other towns. And so when the bikers start cutting into his cut by. By stealing resources from these towns and you know, him not getting there in time, then that's what's really pissing him off. You know, that's what's really motivating him [00:17:00] is like, Hey, you're cutting into my stuff here. So it's less about the world fully falling apart. The cities are still, industrialized and still working and functioning. Though poorly, a little bit dystopian, but the middle America looks like the post apocalypse just because everybody's escaped. Pretty much everybody's gone to the coasts. There's nothing really left in middle America anymore for anybody. the crops have died, like the resources have dwindled, Thandi: Yeah. Yeah. And taking it to America is probably a better move anyway, like maybe not explicitly so. But I feel like there's enough regional culture in the Mad Max movies that doing something that you're a little bit more familiar with might be a better. Hobbit: And it being set in Australia was because that's, George Miller lived , like, so it doesn't have to be Australia necessarily. There's nothing Australia centric [00:18:00] about this story really. Thandi: Except for all the the Fosters billboards in the Hobbit: Right. Australian for post apocalypse. So yeah that's my take. Middle America centered mad Max movie with. Yuck. Yucks and action. And explosions and craziness. Thandi: I'd watch it. And it's . It's about time to bring back the the aesthetic. Like of course we had Fury Road as George Miller's modern vision of that, but A world of post-apocalyptic leather daddies that populated that Mad Max era . It's time to bring that back. I'd love to Hobbit: And I, there's only so much further you can go in the post-apocalyptic world of Mad Max after Fury Road, because then it's just dust. There's nothing there's barely anything left in Fury Road. Resetting it and bringing it back to where there's ghost towns, they're driving through these ghost towns and there's small populations of people and there's still some level of government, working, giving resources. [00:19:00] Highway patrolman, basically. And, the best way I can explain it is it's when shit's done, there's no going back. The society is collapsing as they speak. Everybody knows it, everybody's aware of it. Everybody knows they got maybe 10 years tops before even the police are gone. That it's that level, but nobody's willing to admit it. It's like when in 2008 when I worked at Blockbuster, everybody knew that Blockbuster was going under, every couple of months another store would go out of business. But we all just pretended that somehow there'd be like a turn that we'd be fine at some point and we just of went about our business until, you know, the store went under. Thandi: Red box is bs. Nobody's gonna use a Hobbit: We just gotta Thandi: box. Netflix, Hobbit: in there just a little bit longer until this fad blows over. So that's this world of Mad Max is people out of not having other options, barely hanging on, hoping that something changes Thandi: Yeah, not knowing that the world is going to descend to the place where the only three assets left [00:20:00] are bullets, gasoline and titty milk. Hobbit: That sounds like a good weekend right there, Thandi: maybe Hobbit: Yeah. Yeah. Thandi: Ah, I did something interesting with my take, I guess, So my take is basically based on me diving down a rabbit hole, mad Max influenced a bunch of like 1980s anime, like just Mel Gibson in general influenced a bunch of 1980s anime, but basically it influenced it so much that like anime style, mad Max has already been. Many times over. So going down that rabbit hole, I was like we're doing a big budget movie for an American audience. What's big budget? American animation. There's Disney and there's Dreamworks. So basically my Mad Max is an animated movie from Dreamworks, Hobbit: Okay. Thandi: Cars via Dreamworks. [00:21:00] And it's It's basically a bunch of chases that climax in the big race for it all or whatever kids movie. No, I take that back. All a family movie, so everybody gets to be Hobbit: So there's some winks to murdering a wife and child and stuff, but not like overtly to. Thandi: It's, yeah. There'll be violence, but it's like violence that you never see. Like people can die in a cartoon movie. You just can't see the body hit the floor. So, my Mad Max Dreamworks movie takes place in Arizona. Max Rocke Tansky is the best pursuit cop on this stretch of of highway in, in Arizona. And he is got a big head about it and it's about him finding his way to appreciate the love of friends and family and working as a team, you know, kid movie stuff. But for everybody. Max Roski, Chris Pratt. Why Chris Pratt? Because Chris Pratt is the universal voice actor for everything right [00:22:00] now. So my Max Roski is Chris Pratt. He will not be doing a gruff anything. He'll just be doing Chris Pratt like he does anyway, except when he is playing when he did that movie for Amazon. Hobbit: Oh, the tomorrow war. Thandi: goose. Yeah, my goose. I just needed a side kick. Character. Who's the best sidekick in the history of man and who's also like a really interesting voice. John C. Reilly Hobbit: I knew you were gonna say John C. Reilly. knew it when you said sidekick. Yeah. Thandi: Yeah he's the sidekick John C. Reilly in, in this take goose still dies, but you don't see him burned to to. Where Max is like, what Hobbit: Where Max does the Ooh Thandi: goosey Hobbit: face as he pulls the sheet up, Thandi: Oh, it's so early days for his acting. It's fine. It's fine. Jesse Roski, the wife is still his wife in this movie, but she's also on the highway patrol. She's part of the [00:23:00] action. Their conflict comes into the fact that he wants to be a lone wolf and she wants to teach him how to work better with the team. Kristen Bell is Jesse Ros Hobbit: Okay. I see it Thandi: cuz she could be sweet and convincing Hobbit: a little agro when need be. Thandi: Yeah. Roski Ski is no longer a child. Sprague Rockat. Tansky is a talking. And the actual direct partner of Max Rock Osky, doing the ride alongs and pointing down the suspects and saying, Hey man, cuz it's Kevin Hart. Is Sprague Rock. Hobbit: Oh, no. Like talk, like I. That's racist. I don't know how it's racist, but it's racist. I think there's no way to portray Kevin Hart playing that character without it coming off kind of racist. Thandi: As Sprague Rock Osky. He can't be like Brian, the dog for Max Rock Atki without [00:24:00] being Hobbit: You you know how they would play Kevin Hart in that role though. That's the thing. There's only Thandi: Yeah. But that's actually Kevin Hart. That's how Kevin Hobbit: I'm Thandi: Kevin Hart. That's on him. Me too. That's what makes it great. The tow tremor, so the Hobbit: The tow trimmer. Thandi: Yeah. The Hobbit: no. That's brilliant. But God damn it Thandi: is Keefer Sutherland cuz he is got the ultimate like, hard ass, bad guy voice the cold. Wonderful for a kids' movie, perfect villain Hobbit: If you haven't seen the movie Freeway with uh, Keer Sutherland. He plays like the big bad wolf type character of like a serial killing like dude. And he does this kind of like voice. I can picture that being the perfect touchpoint for him to play this role. Like of the kind of growly. Thandi: Or his take on a solid Hobbit: Yes. Thandi: cuz he was, he replaced David Hader on that game that people were like, oh, it's not David Hader. Zunti, his his second in [00:25:00] command is, No longer a person. That's a dog too. But that dog can talk. And that talking dog is Patrick Warburton. Is Zanetti in this Hobbit: So Kronk's new, dystopia uh, okay. Thandi: Yeah, he's the henchman. He's henchman number one. Henchman number two, Kini. The guy who loses his hand. And yeah. That's James Fran. So James Franco is is guy number three, the police captain or whatever of the station house. The boss is Brian Cox Hobbit: always a good Thandi: and they're all just, yeah, they're all just trying to reign Max in Goose dies, wife lives tow trimmer. Ends by not getting hit by a truck, but by driving off of a cliff Disney style. So he dies. You don't see the death, but characters falling off a cliff is like animated kids movie tradition. Uh, That's how he does Hobbit: noise as Yeah.[00:26:00] Thandi: and like a, just a sickening splat. Yeah. That is my version of of Mad Max. Hobbit: choices were made But it does beg the question, like, why aren't there more post-apocalyptic cartoons that really, I feel like cars kind of could be perceived that way. And then there's Wally, and then that's it. Like that's pretty Thandi: You get something like, I don't know I don't know about a post apocalypse, but Treasure Planet or a ladin where the heroes just in dire straits. Hobbit: Titan ae, I guess would be post-apocalyptic, or at least for Earth. Yeah. It's literally after Earth is what it stands for. Yeah. I don't know, I'd go see it can't be too judgmental on something where like, yeah, day one I'd be there watching it being like, what the fuck? Thandi: I'd be curious enough to look up the reviews, but yeah, Hobbit: nice . Yeah, Thandi: the audacity, why are you making this movie cause Hobbit: because money. All right. With you saying Brian Cox as well for your thing, I'm [00:27:00] just thinking a mashup for Mad Max. I would love to see Super Troopers three being in the post apocalypse where they're still working the highway patrol, but in a Mad Max type fashion, would be fucking great cuz Brian Cox, he. The boss in Supert Troopers, so yeah, that would be brilliant. Thandi: So, a couple fun mashups. Mad Max in weird science, like in that scene where Kelly Le Brock brings like the the Road Warrior style mutants to their party. At the end of the movie, she also brings Max, and then she ends up hooking up with Max instead of the nerds. Um, , And Mad Max and Waterworld. Where the the Mariner finally reaches dry land, but the dry land is Australia, and so he's in the jurisdiction of Max Rocke Tansky, now Hobbit: I I would watch that movie. 100% Thandi: Desert versus Duff Sea, Hobbit: Mad Max Fury, tsunami. I don't know. Yeah. Mad Max Tsunami. Okay, so we've [00:28:00] got two very different takes on Mad Max. Both of which I think we would probably be murdered online for even suggesting so Perfect. Perfect for us. Um, And now we're doing the trailers, so let me get that. From the director that brought you Crank one, crank two, and Ghost Rider. Spirit of Vengeance is an American take on a cult classic Meet Max. He's mad. Played by Stephen Yon and he'll stop at nothing to take down the toe cutter crew and restore order to the Midwest this summer Max. Loses his wife Jesse, played by Darcey Carden, and him and his buddy Jim Goose, played by Christopher Maloney are wiping the streets red with the blood of their enemies. With the help of Fifi, their boss, played by Terry Cruz. They go up against Tommy Flanagan as Bubba Zanetti, Nicholas Cage as the leader of the toe cutters, toe [00:29:00] cutter, and hijinks ensuing. Burnout. Fuck boy. Pete Davidson. As Johnny the Boy. Are you mad? You will be with this remake Mad Max America Road. Thandi: Oh, I didn't give my director actually. Before we continue my director was Clarence William, or I'm sorry, Chris Williams. Clarence Williams is somebody I went to high school with Chris Williams, who directed Big Hero six and the Hobbit: man. Both of those are really, I didn't realize it was the same director, big hero of six I love that movie so much. Sea Beast was better than I expected it would be. Thandi: Yeah, I've heard nothing, but I haven't watched it all the way through yet. I started it and I got distracted, but it's on the list because I've heard nothing but good things about it. I heard, I've heard it's Hobbit: Yeah. With directors for animated films. I that that's a thing. Like you, you think of directors like directing live actors, you know, but I'm sure there's plenty that goes into directing Lincoln animated film, possibly even more than a regular film. There's amazing director like Brad Bird who did the Incredibles movies [00:30:00] and stuff that did Directors of animation, but I never really think about it. Thandi: Yeah. Those guys do some some amazing work and they have to entertain a larger audience than many other directors do. So they have to get their lesson in there, keep the parents occupied, keep the kids occupied. It's a. An interesting juggling job to pull that together. speaking of entertaining an audience we've got your take next for your trailer I hate it. Hobbit: So let me light it up. You ready to roll? Let's get this car on the road, I guess. Thandi: From Chris Williams in Dreamworks. It's a movie about what happens when you're too good at what you do in a world that's not Chris PR is Mad Max Rocke Tansky the best cop on the Arizona Highway. His wife played by Kristen Bellis, Jesse Rocke Tansky, and she just wants him to make friends. Sprague, his [00:31:00] dog is Kevin Hart. Cutting up and having fun on the highway is a fight keeper. Sutherland's tow trimmer and his boys, Patrick War Burton and James Franco. As they try to win the big race, but are they good enough to win the big race? And does it matter when The most important thing on the road as having the drive to be the best, to take it all on your own, even when it threatens to drive away you from the only race that matters, the race to be the best of friends. Mad Max, the best of friends coming this summer. Hobbit: Friend Road Um, I, yeah. Fuck it. Yeah, let's make this kid's movie. I, I'm, I, you know what, you changed my mind. I am on board with this yet to get another banger from Tandy in the, in the Wackadoo category. So [00:32:00] Wackadoo. Hell yeah. This was a blast. I am really glad that I got a chance to rewatch Mad Max. It's one of. The road warrior is so good. Like the sequel is so, so good that I sometimes, Thandi: And that's the one that everybody has seen. That's Hobbit: yeah. And so I forget sometimes that Mad Max is still very good. Like it's a really good starter to this universe that gets created Thandi: Yeah. Hobbit: and then you throw in Thunderdome and just have a like silly blast. Thandi: And, but none of them have what Mad Max has, which is the Hall of Justice. Hobbit: I forgot yet. Thandi: They like an old abandoned cement factory. That's the Hall of Justice, and that is awesome in itself. Hobbit: Not just genre, but he permanently changed the way people did dystopian Futures with this movie. And it was basically because he was in the outback of Australia and he had access to these abandoned buildings and he's like, great. Yeah.  Cool. This is what it is. Like this is the police station and yeah, it's like a cement plant or something. Great. No Thandi: Yeah. No, he's he was inspired and they didn't run over the [00:33:00] kid, which was also inspired. That brought me in more than any other scene in the movie. Were the kids out in Hobbit: Oh, right, yeah, yeah, Thandi: They're driving. They're driving. I was like, he was, this movie's kind of crazy, but they're not gonna kill this kid. Whew. Hobbit: pet cemetery. This is not, Pet Cemetery is like, fuck that kid. Thandi: Oh, guess we'll need to add that one to the list too. Actually. That's already been remade. Hobbit: Yep. Terrible remake, unfortunately, but at least compared to these bangers that we brought on this episode here, think Mad Max needs to go a new direction, with some of our choices here. Thandi: Hit us up. Hobbit: we're ready and waiting. So speaking, of, waiting, we're waiting for you to follow us on social media, Facebook, Twitter.  Just follow geeks of the influence on Instagram, Twitter, you've got me and Thandi on Twitter. We've gotta smack my pitch up. uh, pitch smacked on Twitter. got Facebook keep track of when episodes are coming out. We'll let you know when there's cool stuff happening. Maybe some live event. And, yeah, it's a great way to get all the pitch smacking that you could ever want. Thandi: [00:34:00] Yeah, All All smacked all day long. Oh it's got a rosy glow Hobbit: from all the smackings. So on that uh, yeah, re review, subscribe, post on socials, let people know how cool this show is and how bad our choices are. But that's half the fun. Gotta thank Of course. Tandy, thank you so much for joining me on this. Thandi: Thank you, sir. Hobbit: I'll find you next time. Thandi: I'm Thandi. Hobbit: and you just got pitch smacked, Thandi: Hey, pitch another smacking shrimp on the Bobby Hobbit: mate. Good day. Good day. Thandi: Fosters it's pitch for smack. Hobbit: Jesus.

In this episode of the It's A Mimic! podcast, the panel of Dungeon Masters digs into the ins and outs of what it means in 5th Edition to have an animal companion.  What are the best ways to get a pet in-game?  Which pets have the best options?  And how much room should you set aside for the Pet Cemetery behind your guildhouse? Cold Open 0:00 Opening Theme 1:48 Intro 2:09 Ad Break 5:54 Mounted Combat 7:18 Find Steed 26:23 Find Greater Steed 42:59 Find Familiar 1:03:39 Subclass Features 1:29:48 Ad Break 1:56:23 Outro 1:56:52 Closing Theme 2:01:22 Bloopers 2:01:49 DON'T FORGET TO LIKE & SUBSCRIBE! Available On: Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/user?u=84724626 Spotify at https://open.spotify.com/show/3Y19VxSxLKyfg0gY0yUeU1 Apple Podcasts at https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/its-a-mimic/id1450770037 YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzQmvEufzxPHWrFSZbB8uuw Info: Episode Guide at https://www.itsamimic.com Email at info@itsamimic.com Social: Website at https://www.itsamimic.com Reddit at https://www.reddit.com/r/ItsaMimic/ Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/itsamimic/?hl=en Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/itsamimic/ Dungeon Master 1:  Adam Nason Dungeon Master 2:  Megan Lengle Dungeon Master 3:  Coffee Bitch Dave Narrator:  Kyle McQuaid Written by:  Megan Lengle and Adam Nason Director:  Megan Lengle and Adam Nason Editor:  Adam Nason Executive Producer:  Adam Nason Intro/Outro Music by:  Cory Wiebe All other music provided by Tyler Gibson at https://www.instagram.com/melodicasmusic Logo by:  Katie Skidmore at https://www.instagram.com/clementineartportraits/ This episode is meant to be used as an inspirational supplement for Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition and tabletop roleplaying games in general.  It's A Mimic! does not own the rights to any Wizards of the Coasts products. Artwork included in this episode's video visualizations is published and/or owned by Wizards of the Coast.

As you know, this podcast is entitled “Unstoppable Mindset” with the tag line “where Inclusion, Diversity and the unexpected meet”. This episodes represents for me one of the most unexpected sessions I have done. I first heard from Tanja Milojevic through LinkedIn. I did not know at the time she was a person who happened to be blind due to the same circumstances that befell me. I discovered this and so much more about Tanja when we finally met to discuss her coming on Unstoppable Mindset.   Tanja was born in Serbia as a premature birth. She was given too much Oxygen that effected her eyes and lead to her being blind. She permanently relocated with her family to the U.S. at the age of five. You get to hear her whole story including how she learned to function successfully in high school, college and beyond.   Our discussions in this episode include much about her life and successes. We also get to talk about one of my favorite subjects, audio drama.   Tanja's insights will help you learn not only much about blindness, but about life in general. I hope you enjoy Tanja's stories, observations, and thoughts.     About the Guest:   Tanja Milojevic Biography   I was born in Serbia as a premature baby. I had retinal detachment as a result of the incubators and was diagnosed with retinopathy of prematurity at the age of one. I then had several surgeries on both eyes to restore some vision which were partially successful. These surgeries took place in the United States.   I permanently came to live in the U.S. at the age of five when I was diagnosed with open and close angle glaucoma in both eyes. My medical visa helped me make a permanent home with my family near Boston where I began my mainstream public education.   Advocacy is important to me. I attended public school all my life and that required learning my rights and advocating on my own behalf along with my family. I wanted to learn braille at a young age even though I was able to limp along by struggling with print on my video magnifier. I was aware at that time that my vision would deteriorate over time and I'd lose all of it later in life; thus learning braille and mobility were early self-imposed goals in preparing myself for the gradual transition. I pushed the school system to take a dual learning approach and provide me print/braille materials. My supportive family helped me advocate from a young age and I got involved in my IEP meetings as a teen, which proved invaluable.   I advocated in high school and college to improve the experiences for other students who were blind or visually impaired coming into those institutions. My former TVI tells me these students' lives were much easier after I left because of I urged the school to buy braille translation software, the JAWS screen reader, scanning software, and an embosser. My use of JAWS from eighth grade onward gave me the technology skills I needed later in life and I believe future students should have that early opportunity as well.   I received my guide dog Wendell just before entering college. He was from the Seeing Eye and was a golden lab. Wendell and I were best friends and everyone I met fell in love with him, he was so human-like. My puppy was always a magnet for people and I had no trouble making friends and getting places safely, night or day, rain or shine.   Wendell accompanied me while I attended Simmons College, where I thrived and enjoyed the supportive community, clubs and events. My communications professor pushed me to pursue working at the college radio station where I improved my audio production and on-air skills. He saw audio potential in me--the perfectionist who always strived for improvement. The creativity was flowing and I began to make my own radio dramas. My podcast Lightning Bolt Theater of the Mind was born at that time and thrives today. My love of radio drama stemmed from an accidental discovery of the radio drama Pet Cemetery on tape back in high school.   Making the lives of people who are blind and visually impaired easier and better are objectives that continue to be part of my life. My internship at the Constituent Services Office under Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick was challenging and taught me a lot about issues families were facing across the state. I provided feedback on audio description quality during my WGBH Media Access Group internship and learned about ACB's Audio Description Project at that time. My Easter Seals internship provided me the opportunity to take part in the Thrive program, where I mentored a teenager with visual impairment and provided her with transition resources, confidence, and guidance.   I shadowed advocates at the Disabled Persons Protection Commission when I interned there and compassionately assisted vulnerable clients. Individuals with disabilities oftentimes face financial control and abuse in many cases and DPPC helps them take the steps they need to stay safe and resume their lives in a better situation. These experiences stuck with me as I advocated to take radio communications in college and learned the skills to become a professional voiceover talent. I graduated from Simmons College in 2012 with a double minor in Radio Communications/Special Education Moderate Disabilities and a BA in English Writing.   I moved on to UMASS Boston where I had the opportunity to work with the Carroll Center for the Blind and Perkins School for the Blind, to teach adults with visual impairments how to be more independent. I taught these students how to cook, clean, access technology, organize, launder clothes, read braille, learn about needed resources, and take part in leisure activities. The best part was seeing their confidence grow and the self-doubt lessen. I made their lives easier and better by increasing their self-image, confidence, advocacy skills, and independence. However, while attending graduate school, I had some accessibility challenges, but I pursued my Master's degree anyway. I struggled through the process by working with professors to complete my courses with high grades and finally graduated with a Master's in Vision Rehabilitation Therapy from UMASS Boston's Vision Studies Program.   My work at the Perkins Library has been outlined by Ted Reinstein on The Chronicle documentary TV program. It follows my braille production work at Perkins and my voiceover endeavors. I had seven years of experience providing braille and large print to a wide variety of organizations and individuals. Perkins offered many opportunities which I utilize to network: I try new devices when demonstrated, input ideas to MIT students for new technologies, and tested websites/software for various Perkins Solutions clients. My voice over freelance work allowed me to meet many friends and producers which organically lead me to the path of audio description narration work. I now work with X Tracks, International Digital Center and audio Eyes to name a few. Giving back to the blindness community by bringing more quality audio description to the ear is personally rewarding and I'm honored to be able to help advocate further in this field of access.   Further enriching my life experience, my current guide dog, a yellow lab named Nabu, and I were partnered in February, 2017. It didn't take long for our bond to form, and now she and I travel together everywhere. She's a beautiful and loving dog and it's no trouble meeting people with her participating in my adventures. We work closely every day and she rarely leaves my side.   That brings me to the present. In June of 2022, my partner and I founded GetBraille.com, a braille production company where we produce literary braille, large print, and audio materials to all who need them. This on-demand service will make it easier for schools, organizations, restaurants, and individuals to request quality braille at affordable prices. We always provide quotes and project consults at no cost. Our future goals include developing multi-sensory educational materials and assistive technologies for those with print disabilities that we wish had been available to us. Offering work to others who are blind and visually impaired is important to us as we grow; we look forward to the bright future a   How to connect with Tanja: Email me at tanja@getbraille.com Visit our Get Braille website at: https://getbraille.com/ Visit my voiceover website at https://www.tanjamvoice.com/ Find me on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/tanja.milojevic.37 Check out my linked in profile at https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanja-milojevic-94104726/     About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.   Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards.   https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/   accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/       Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below!   Subscribe to the podcast If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can also subscribe in your favorite podcast app.   Leave us an Apple Podcasts review Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts.     Transcription Notes Michael Hingson  00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i  capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.     Michael Hingson  01:20 Welcome once again, we're glad you're with us. And you have in case you're wondering, reached unstoppable mindset, the podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meat. I'm Mike Hinkson, your host and today we're interviewing Tanja Milojevic. And Tanja has a varied background. She is involved with a company called Get Braille. She's a voice actress. And she's going to tell us about the rest. I looked at her bio, and it's a nice long bio. So there's a lot of data there. So rather than putting all of that here in the podcast, Tanja gets to talk about it. How about that? Anyway, Tanja, welcome to unstoppable mindset. How are you?   Tanja Milojevic  02:01 I'm doing well, Michael, thank you so much. And it's Tanja. But Tanja a lot of people think that I think it's   Michael Hingson  02:09 well once again, like I should have asked because like with with  Milojevic. I, I just listened to what Josh said. And it said, Tanja, so Tanja.   Tanja Milojevic  02:20 Yeah. Thank you so much for having me on the show. I'm really excited. And of course, with your story being so inspiring, too. I, you know, I look forward to helping the community itself and in many different ways, including providing Braille access, and easier Braille access, more affordable, quality, all that fun stuff, and of course, contributing to the world of voiceover and AI voice cloning.   Michael Hingson  02:46 Well, let's start with kind of your history. Tell us about growing up and where you were born and all of that stuff.   Tanja Milojevic  02:54 So I was born in Serbia, I came here to the US at the age of five and a half, because I needed some various surgeries. Honestly, when I was born, I was a preemie premature baby and I had run off the prematurity. So we needed to perform surgery right away, to see if we could reattach the retinas. They had been detached due to the oxygen, the incubator. So my mother was able to gather enough money, fundraise and bring me here to the US at the age of one, we had the surgery that was very successful. And then we came back to the US periodically to get eyedrops medication and check in. By the age of five, these checkups were so frequent that we decided to settle in the US, it made a lot more sense to do that a lot more cost effective. So that's what we did. And I went to public school here, I have the fortune of getting all of my schooling here in the US, and then many other opportunities as life went along its journey. So I was a dual learner in school, I did large print Braille. And then of course, when screen reading technology was more easily obtainable. A lot of audio, JAWS, voiceover all that fun stuff. And I'd say my vision,   Michael Hingson  04:14 able to do much but give your age away. But when were you born what year   Tanja Milojevic  04:18 1989.   Michael Hingson  04:19 So by that time, by that time, ROP was pretty well known. So there was no choice but to put you in an incubator with pure oxygen or what?   Tanja Milojevic  04:34 Well, I mean, you're looking at not a third world country, but but definitely a country that was economically struggling with the war going on and such. And the care really wasn't equal access to everyone and it's sort of like, what you could get into, you know, what opportunities were available to you. And at the time, they had all these premature babies in incubators, that was just the way it was done. They didn't have enough They have to really monitor and I sort of question whether or not much of the staff really cared all that much about it. It's not like you could go to court and sue them and really get anywhere because they would lock you out of the courtroom. So with limited opportunities, you kind of took what you could get.   Michael Hingson  05:18 Yeah. Well, having been born in 1950, when ROP or at that time, rLf was not nearly as well known or certainly not accepted. Although it had been offered as a reasonable issue dealing with premature babies. It still wasn't totally accepted by the medical profession. And I've heard that there were people born around that time who like 30 and 40 years later sued and won. And I always felt, why would I want to do that? If the doctor didn't really know, or wasn't that well known? What are we gonna do by filing lawsuits other than destroying lives, which doesn't make any sense because my life was not destroyed, it just went a different way.   Tanja Milojevic  06:03 Right? I mean, that's a great way to look at it. And I see it as a blessing in disguise, because it was a great opportunity to bring my family over one at a time close family and get them jobs here. Well, not that I got them jobs, but they were able to have the opportunity to better themselves, their situations, and so on and have family here, which is a much more attractive alternative than being in a country that's economically struggling, war torn, etc. At the time, we got out of that conflict, just just in time, because it gotten worse from there, obviously. So having the opportunities to have public education here. All of the various services that were offered here, at the time was just unheard of. The School for the Blind that existed in Serbia was very 1800s, maybe 1950s style, institutional, like dark rooms dirty, just not a place you want to be. So yeah, it's a great, great opportunity for us. So I That's how I see it, instead of worrying about lawsuits and trying to get revenge or whatever.   Michael Hingson  07:14 Which makes perfect sense. Which makes perfect sense. Do you Do you have siblings?   Tanja Milojevic  07:19 I do I have an older sister. We're 17 years apart. So kind of the running joke is she's my mom. Sometimes, you know, state, we go to the certain know your mother can help you with this. Like, this is my older sister. But don't say that to her. She'll be offended.   Michael Hingson  07:36 Your big sister.   Tanja Milojevic  07:38 My big sister.   Michael Hingson  07:39 Yeah. Yeah, that works better. Yeah. So you say you did get some eyesight back from the operations? And yeah, how did that work for you in school?   Tanja Milojevic  07:52 I it was, in a way, it sort of got me into trouble. Not that I wasn't grateful for having the vision, it was just that my teachers were like, well, she can read large print, you know, and if we magnify them enough, and give her the video magnifier, or they call it a CCTV of CCTV, as it's called the video magnifier, but they gave me access to one of those like, well, she doesn't need Braille. Because first of all, we have to pay a whole ton more, we got to pay another person to come in here and work on Braille. And whenever she can give, just get by with large print. And it was a struggle, because after 45 minutes of trying to see the larger text, it hurt my you know, I get a headache, my eyes would start tearing, I might neck, shoulders all that you'd get uncomfortable sitting in in such a weird position for that long. So we had to fight with the school to get them the public school to get them to agree to get me Braille services, so that I learned braille and print and had both in my toolbox, if you will. But also, I would argue that the language barrier was just as much of a hindrance as maybe the lack of understanding of, hey, this is a dual learner. Because when I first started first grade, they put me in a school that was like more special ed versus some teaching someone who's blind, it was more like they had kids with various disabilities. And so the teaching style wasn't a good fit for me. I did learn English and like grade one Braille, which is for anyone that's listening that may not know, is uncontracted Braille. It's long form, you write everything out a letter at a time versus using contractions and the lead condensed bro, which saves a lot more space. So I knew that but it wasn't a great fit because I wasn't being challenged enough. And one of my teachers found that out first grade, and they pushed for me to get moved to a different public school, where it was more of a general ed system. So So I had a year where I was kind of like, stuck in first grade for two years. In a way that was good because I had a chance to learn more of the language and Braille at the same time. And then I was more prepared to move on with the curriculum. But in a way, it also sort of held me back and was a little bit awkward for me, because I was like, Wow, I'm older than these kids here in my class. So a couple of different challenges. But the way that I like to look at it is that the more skills you can gain from tough spots, you're put in, the better problem solving skills you might have or advocacy for yourself later in life, especially if you see that. It's just simply a matter of miscommunication. And as long as you explain things to to folks around you correctly, in a way that resonates with them, it's got to resonate with them, it can't just make sense. They've got to sort of personally understand what it is that you mean, and see the struggle, I guess, if you will, then you're better off doing it that way, then   Michael Hingson  11:01 what do you what do you mean? What do you mean by that? Can you kind of explain I I'm not sure I follow totally.   Tanja Milojevic  11:07 So a general education teacher is busy, they don't have the time to stay after school every day with you and work on extra things. If you can prove to them that giving you an assignment ahead of time, or giving you the notes on the board, or maybe even expressing to them what's confusing about you and setting a time that works for them, you're going out of your way to show that you're dedicated to their class, they personally need to show that their students are succeeding, or they're going to have to explain why it is that that they've got so many struggling students. They're responsible for many kids all at once, and you're just adding more stress. So the more solutions you can provide to them, the easier their life is, and their job is. And the faster they can get out the door because we all have lives and families and yeah. So proving to the school through anecdotal evidence that this is hiring someone else is just going to present their teachers with less obstacles is the way to go. At least for me, from my experience, well, showing effort showing evidence, and it worked. Yeah, yeah, eventually.   Michael Hingson  12:23 Well, how did the teachers react as you started to explain, I would assume that that helped.   Tanja Milojevic  12:29 It did help. I did run into some other snags where the teacher of the visually impaired I was working with at the time, had a lot of her own issues in her own life, day to day. So you for math and science, and so on, I was writing my showing my work writing a lot of the answers in Braille, leaving some space, so double spacing everything so that she could interline it with print, which means writing the print above the Braille line. So then the teacher could go ahead and read it, it was an extremely antiquated way to do it at the time, that was the option. Now, of course, we've got all kinds of technology and Google shirt, you know, Google Sheets, and whatever, all this other more efficient ways to do it. But the point is that it took her a couple of weeks to get these assignments back to my general education, math teacher, for example. And that slowed me down. Because I'd fall behind, I'd be maybe a chapter behind everybody else, I'd still have to pay attention in class, but they were well ahead of where I was. So you know, I was I was having a hard time keeping up. This was like for fifth grade. But it was just another exercise in workarounds and figuring out how else we can do this, I'd show my work and print on the CCTV instead of the Braille, I would find ways to print out material that I wrote off of my something called a Braille note or a Braille light at the time, which is just like a small computer, essentially, that has a Braille display, you can feel one line of brela at once. It's electronic, it stores files, you can change the file format, and I print out my stuff. So I came up with a couple of faster ways to do it.   Michael Hingson  14:19 And what it's what it's actually called as a refreshable Braille display because as new lines display, or new lines are called for the dots pop up representing those lines. So the display constantly refreshes for those who don't understand that. So it's a way of now producing Braille in a much more portable way. That one disadvantages is Tanya's describing it. You only get one line at a time because it's a very expensive process. The displays are not inexpensive to do so. Over time, hopefully we will find that someone will develop a really good full page braille display but that's a waste is off.   Tanja Milojevic  15:01 Yeah, it's still pricey technology. I really there get away from sins?   Michael Hingson  15:08 Yeah, we need to do something different than we do.   Tanja Milojevic  15:12 Definitely the pins get dirty Rogen, etc stuck, and it's very expensive to replace them. Yeah, that's part of the hindrance there.   Michael Hingson  15:21 But it is still a lot more portable than carrying a number of volumes of Braille books. I remember when I was in school, when I was in school I we ordered a catalog case from Sears the catalog case literally was a case where you would put catalogs and carry them around, if you were selling things, you could take catalogs to people, you could put a bunch of catalogs in this case, in my situation, we used to, to so that when I went school, I can carry some Braille books. And I got three or four volumes of Braille. So that carry Braille for a few subjects. But, of course, very bulky, very complicated, not easy to do, and certainly not refreshable.   Tanja Milojevic  16:06 Not at all, I did that for math, science history, especially a lot of the charts. The way that they did it was they'd have thermoform charts, and all the rest of the text was done in Braille. And so you had like not only the volume of the chapter, rail text, if you will, but you also have a separate volume you're carrying, that has all the reference figures associated with that chapter. So you're carrying two volumes, as opposed to where you could just have 213234 Sometimes,   Michael Hingson  16:38 and for those objects. And for those who don't know what thermoform is thermoform is a process where you create an original of something, whether it be drawings, or even documents on paper, and then you buy a machine called a thermoform machine, you put a blank piece of plastic in the machine, lying on top of the Braille sheet, the original Braille sheet, you activate it, and a vacuum pulls down the two sheets together the Braille with plastic on top of it, while it heats them. And the plastic then takes on the shape of the Braille document below it. So it's a way of relatively quickly producing a number of copies of a braille book or, as Tonya said, that, in her case, the diagrams and so on, of course, it's still not inexpensive. And thermoform isn't like using your fingers to read Braille pages, the plastic feels different in it, it's a little more awkward to use. But still, it was a fast way to get Braille comparatively speaking.   Tanja Milojevic  17:43 That's definitely true. The main issue with thermal warm is your fingers eventually go numb, because it's a glossy type paper. And if your hands are sweating, it can inhibit your ability to run your fingers across the page. So that makes your hands go numb faster. So sometimes putting some sort of powder on your hands can help. But well, the drawback to that is it dries your skin out. So there's always positives, and not so much to that process. But it is a more inexpensive way to produce tactile graphics.   Michael Hingson  18:21 See you sighted people think that you have problems in dark rooms trying to read stuff. You're not the only ones who have reading problems. We all have our challenges, don't we?   Tanja Milojevic  18:32 Oh, for sure. All sorts of creative challenges that we constantly iterate on to improve.   Michael Hingson  18:39 And we do iterate and we do improve, which is of course the real point of the whole process. So you went off and you went through school, when Where were you living in Boston or where?   Tanja Milojevic  18:53 So we were living in initially when came to the US. We lived in South Boston for a bit. Then we moved to Chelsea, we were there for about 10 years than ever. And then now I live in Peabody, but relatively same area   Michael Hingson  19:05 of the country spent. I spent three years in Winthrop. Oh, East Boston. So nice. Yeah, that's a nice area. Yeah. It's fun to be there. Well, then you you went on from school to college?   Tanja Milojevic  19:21 Yeah. I went to Sundance for my undergrad. And I studied communication, special ed and writing literature specifically. So that was a great experience. Their disabilities office was extremely helpful. I initially before applying to various colleges. I did a couple of interviews with their disability center. Couple of phone calls, I wanted to get an idea for myself of what their process was, and how willing they were to talk to me about it. So the fact that Simmons was not only transparent about their process, but also willing to answer any questions And when I'm not even a prospective student, yeah, told me a lot. So yeah, I did have a good experience.   Michael Hingson  20:06 So what did they do or say that caused you to like their office in their process, compared to other places that you observed?   Tanja Milojevic  20:16 Well, I mean, for one, it wasn't some email that was automated, or, like, a, I don't know, now, now, I guess you could joke and say, they're gonna send you to a half an hour recording that you have to watch. It wasn't anything like that, where they were just trying to automate everything. I spoke with the, one of the directors of the Disability Center there at the time. And I asked all kinds of questions like how far in advance, would you need these books, if, if that process falls through, if the professor changes the books or a new professor comes into the class, because these things happen all the time, you know, depending on what happens in life. They told me, Well, that's, that's okay. If the book changes, we can work with you, the publisher, or you can try to purchase the book, Online used. And then we can just scan a chapter at a time, if the crunch time is on. And you've already started the semester, get it to you within a week, as long as we have a syllabus, and we know what the timeline looks like for these chapters. And then we bring in the professor and make sure they understand there's a Letter of Accommodation, the professor has to sign that and understand what they're reading. And then if they cause trouble later, you can point to the letter and say, I'm not making this stuff up. There's evidence to support that I need this accommodation for this reason you signed off on it, can we work together on this, and it cuts that cumbersome, miscommunication down quite a bit when you do it that way. So the fact that there are several processes in place made me feel a lot better. I'm a kind of person that likes to have plan A through like E or F, just in case, as, as we know, with tech issues nowadays, we gotta have multiple options. One of the things, the confidence, there was really what drew me to, you know, they knew what they were doing, they were confidently able to answer my questions. They understood why I was asking them, they weren't getting annoyed that I had 50 questions. And that's really what sold me on it, if   Michael Hingson  22:25 you will. One of the things that I experienced when I was at UC Irvine, was our office basically said, we're here to help you and be the muscle and power if you get a lack of cooperation from professors and so on. But if you need material transcribed, or whatever this is, of course, long before offices became more organized, but you'll probably need to be the person to find the appropriate transcribers. Well, I worked with the California Department of Rehabilitation, we found transcribers and we found people to do that work, because the office didn't do it. But what the office basically said was, you need to learn to do this stuff anyway. Because we're not here and other offices and facilities aren't here, when you go out on the job,   Tanja Milojevic  23:21 right? That's a huge consideration is whether or not you're able to easily find people that can transcribe, especially if it's like a math class. So I'll tell you, in college, I avoided languages math, hardcore, because after high school, I had lost, you know, like, you don't just have that library available to just order from the Ames library, which is a common library that school systems use to borrow various textbooks for students. Once you hit college, you're kind of on your own in terms of finding out how you're going to accommodate these tougher classes. I math wasn't my favorite subject. So I tried to avoid that in high school, I took Spanish in German for languages. And because I had done that, there was a possibility for me to take multicultural electives in that place in place of that. And I took a test to opt out of like, the generally because my, my major didn't require math. So I opted out of that by taking a math test. And then I took an intro to computer science class. And I worked a lot with partners on certain tasks that were non visual network, or excuse me that were, it was usually visual, yes. Because there was just no other like you get into the class, you don't have a lot of time to figure out how you're going to make it happen. Transcription takes a while, as you know, so unless you have this well in advance, it's going to be a scramble, and you'll likely get the book later. into the semester. And then it's also a question of who's going to pay for it. It's quite a bit of money. Does the maths commission pay for it in this case? Does the school pay for it? And I didn't want the headache to cheat off to be frank about it. So I avoided it.   Michael Hingson  25:15 Well understand how did you find partners to help with different projects like that?   Tanja Milojevic  25:21 A lot of the time, that professor would just assign somebody in the class. But a couple of the classes I got on with a few of the students sitting near me, maybe all of us were pretty well introverted. So we didn't have a whole lot of people we talked to, and also Simmons is a school that has adult students, it's got, you've got, you know, people in the master's program taking maybe some other electives that are also available to undergrads. So that nice mix of culture really gives you more of a mature group to work with. So partnering with students wasn't too hard at all.   Michael Hingson  26:04 The operative part of that, though, is that you did the work to find a partner. And I know there are some times Yeah, well, what I'm getting at is like, there are colleges, where offices for disabled students says, oh, we'll find you those people. But then you have to work by whatever their rules are. And you learn how to do that yourself.   Tanja Milojevic  26:22 They did have that available. For example, if you needed a note taker, which in my case, I didn't. But if a student wanted a note taker, they could request that some some student say that sign up for work, study job, fill that position, that student would go to your class with you take the notes, send them to you, whatever it is that that they got to do. Sometimes there would be a reader that you could get access to same kind of deal, work study position, the student would work with you for maybe two to three hours a week, and then get paid for it. But the problem with that was you sort of had to coordinate your schedule with their schedule, if your class wasn't in a spot that in a space in their schedule that was open, they could work with you that day. So it was more of a hassle than it was worth. And I didn't need a reader at the time I scanned a lot of my stuff in and would work with a professor or ask if I wasn't clear on something. So yeah, that to   Michael Hingson  27:27 you, you did a lot of it. That is you did the work to to make it happen. In other words, you learned the skills that would help you later on once you got out of college.   Tanja Milojevic  27:36 I am grateful for that. Because when you get into the world of work, it's nothing but figuring out how you're going to make something happen and make your boss happy. So it's a good skill set to have.   Michael Hingson  27:47 So what did you do for Siemens?   Tanja Milojevic  27:50 So I went to UMass Boston, which was a program was mostly remote. We went in a couple of times for intro classes and law labs and things like that. So I initially started in the TDI program, which is future of the visually impaired. Then I switched to VR T vision rehab therapy, which is the differences that TBI works with students up to age 22. And sometimes they can work with adult learners to if they're working for permission or a blindness center. If you're a VRT, you're working mostly with adult students, teaching them daily, basically, daily living skills, where else skills a little bit, recreational, etc. So I switched to that program midway through. And so I was at UMass Boston for five years, and then got my Master's there. And that was, like I said, mostly remote. There are a couple of things that I liked about that. And a couple of drawbacks, for example, you didn't really get that same class feel when it was all remote as I'm sure everyone can attest with COVID than being on Zoom and does zoom PowerPoint by zoom right? PowerPoint deck, but by the boys. Yeah, I had a lot of experience in person asking the professor questions right there. And then with remote, you really couldn't do that as much. And I ran into some more accessibility standards, like test taking, getting the software not to timeout on me or jump my focus around the page. So I worked around those and we made everything work. But the main the main thing was now with labs coming in, getting a partner to work with was a little bit tougher at that point. Because that relationship that you build when you're in person in school wasn't a thing. You're posting online, you're replying to people's comments, and posts, but it's not really the same thing. It's, you're just kind of doing a lot of work on your own. So you feel isolated. And then when you're there in person in a lab, you're like well now I have to work with these people. Get enough information from them. And there will be no you. So it's a lot more communication that has to happen. And the only thing that I'll say that I wish was a little bit longer is some of these labs, we had a little bit more time to do them. Other than that, you know, did run into some accessibility issues, their disability center was a lot more slower and had a lot more red tape around it, their processes were a little unclear and ever changing. So I did have a struggle with that in a few cases. But hey, long story short, I graduated, so I'm happy   Michael Hingson  30:36 when you were growing up before you got into college, and so on, did you have a career goal in mind? What did you want to do when you grew up?   Tanja Milojevic  30:46 Ha, that's a that's a great question. I think a lot of the time, I wasn't really sure I was kind of bouncing from various things. I've always enjoyed acting ever since I was a kid, you know, I really admired good actors or who I considered good actors, performances. And like the genuine attea that they brought, maybe not all films are meant to be genuine. Like, you can think of anime or cartoon they're over the top. But when something is very believable that you get in touch with a character, you feel like they're real. That's the kind of thing I wanted to emulate, and also just living vicariously through them. So when I discovered that voice, acting was a thing. In high school, I was like, Oh, this is exactly what I want to do. I'd always been interested in it since I was kid like, enjoyed making home movies recording, I used to have a tape recorder when I was a kid, bring it around everywhere and annoy the crap out of everybody in my family. Ask them questions, record little stories, it was just creative, fun. But I always thought if I could have this creative vision or creativity be part of my job, I'd be very happy, never enjoyed the idea or prospect of being a drone. Not that everyone working in an office is a drone. But I just found the idea of sitting behind a desk doing the same thing over and over and over again. Absolutely. You know, no freedom to make any decision about anything was was completely suffocating to me the idea of that, I always wanted something where I could move around, work with different people enjoy it, really challenge myself and work in a team to make something awesome. Like art. That's not really a career, per se, it's a hobby that turned into a side gig, that now with working with resemble AI, it's a embedded more so into my day to day job, where I'm recording different voices for them, and so on. It started as like one of those, this would be cool if I could do this. And then this is fun. I'm going to do this as much as I can and kind of more and more experienced networking. And then otherwise. Oh, sorry, go ahead. No, go ahead. I was just gonna say otherwise, I really wanted to give back to the community because I had always been a consumer of audio description and Braille services and these, like the mask mission and my various Braille teachers and mobility instructors, who made lessons a lot of fun in high school, they didn't just make it boring. Gold went across the same street every single week, there was like, No, we're gonna go to the store. And we're gonna learn how to solicit persistence and whatever we're going to forget about these cardinal directions for which I got sick of. But the point is, I enjoyed so much, I couldn't be the person I am today without the services that I've taken advantage of my whole life. So just the idea of giving back, and helping other people making their day a little bit brighter, and helping them understand that we're all gonna have bad days, that's never gonna go away. The grief, if you've lost your sight is never gonna go away. Grief never does. But you know that it's going to be better. If you're feeling bad one day, you know, it can't be like that forever. Something will surprise you. And if you put it out there enough, things are gonna are gonna improve universe always seems to put out with what you expect eventually. Not in the way you expect. But it will happen some somewhere somehow. And those two things I feel like now I'm finally at the point where I've gotten both of them to be a reality.   Michael Hingson  34:33 So the big question of the podcast is, you made all those recordings when you were growing up? Did you keep them?   Tanja Milojevic  34:42 Some of them? I have some of the tapes. It's some of them are so terrible and overdramatic, but it's amusing. It's like just you can tell I was just having fun. And then the recordings through the years as I got better with voice acting kind of took part in different shows. I did save all of those just because you you would be surprised. Maybe not. Maybe you wouldn't be surprised. But a lot of producers will lose things. They'll put something on the backburner, like a project. And then three years later, oh my god, I'm trying to work on this project. I have a lot more time now life got a little less busy. I don't have the recordings anymore. My computer harddrive died. Do you have have not? You know, that happens a lot. And then data, it's easy to just keep a bunch of it. A bunch of data.   Michael Hingson  35:30 As I recall, if I remember the story, right? The movie Lawrence of Arabia, starring Peter O'Toole Academy Award winner, but somewhere along the line, the master was lost. And somehow it was recovered. But even an Academy Award film, things things happen.   Tanja Milojevic  35:53 Exactly. They do. So that's why I'm backup hard drives. I've like two or three of them. back everything up. I usually drama, so I collect those.   Michael Hingson  36:03 Yeah. What's your favorite?   Tanja Milojevic  36:07 Oh, that's top like, I don't know, I don't even know.   Michael Hingson  36:10 Tell me some of the audio dramas you like?   Tanja Milojevic  36:14 So is there a genre you're thinking? Do you are you thinking modern or not? So that's a really hard question to answer. I decided to go based on categories. But there is a version of lock and key that was done on location and main locking key. Of course, anyone listening will? Well, if you're a Netflix person, you'll know that it's an original series on Netflix. But there are books that were written by I believe it's Stephen King's son, and Stephen King. And I'm a huge Stephen King fan. So they wrote this, I think it's a series might be three partners, quote, honestly don't quote me on that. But there are books, it was written as a radio drama and adapted by someone called Fred Fred Greenhalgh from Maine and they recorded on location that a couple of days they did this, it's a six part audio drama, it's available on Audible. It is so good.   Michael Hingson  37:09 The audible copy. And it is, I didn't even know what it was going to be like, when I got it. But it is it is so well done.   Tanja Milojevic  37:21 It's way better than the Netflix series.   Michael Hingson  37:25 I collect old radio shows, I collect old radio shows as a hobby, and I've been doing that for a long time. And you you see all sorts anything from good to bad. But that is a lot of that has spoiled me for some of the acting that I've seen in more modern dramas, because the same level of emotion, isn't there people, a lot of people today don't know really, how to act and produce an audio drama that conveys I think what the author originally intended in the book or the way it was done with a radio. We just sometimes we don't see the same quality, but I remember locking key and it does.   Tanja Milojevic  38:09 That is true, that it's not always the same quality. I think that we're trying, we're really have a couple of different avenues where we're trying to fix that, like there is something called the audio verse awards. They happen every year. There are different, obviously, iterations of this out there. But the audio verse awards really strives not to make it a popularity contest. Yeah, the crowd voting system, people go in, they listened to various things, you got awards for sound design, and acting and writing and music production. Everybody gets recognized, which is important. You can't just recognize the writer or the actor, because that's, that's just a tiny piece of the pie. So it's a good place, I'll say if you don't know where to start, when it comes to listening to good audio drama, or at least vetted audio drama. It gives you a lot of choices. And you can find these things and then you've got people ranking, the quality of things on blog posts and all kinds of places they're   Michael Hingson  39:15 well Gunsmoke, the Gunsmoke, the Western, they call it sometimes the first adult Western in radio that was on from well, all of the 1950s constantly won awards for sound patterns, sound effects, and if you listen to it and compare it even to other old radio programs, there is so much more sound put into it. It's they did an incredible job of really setting the scene and creating the atmosphere with with the sound patterns with the sound effects. So it wasn't just the acting, which was so good.   Tanja Milojevic  39:55 I know. I mean, they got some talented foley artists there. Yeah, and yeah, and I mean, another one with sound obviously that if we're thinking of classic, maybe not as classic as Gunsmoke. But the Star Wars, NPR. I was   Michael Hingson  40:13 thinking of of that. Yeah. The Star Wars program is pretty well done in the acting is good. Hamill did a did a great job.   Tanja Milojevic  40:23 That isn't absolute. I mean, there are other Star Wars, radio dramas in that world that I can think of, but none of them compare to that. NPR version. There's   Michael Hingson  40:36 there's another program that NPR did. That was on for three years called Alien Worlds, which was well done.   Tanja Milojevic  40:42 Oh, you think I heard that one? Yeah. Well, if you I mean, the BBC does some great stuff to do. Oh, they   40:49 do a lot of good stuff.   Tanja Milojevic  40:49 Yeah. Yes. I think my biggest frustration is that there isn't one central directory where you can find all of this stuff and keep up to date with it. You have to go on this website, and this website and Miss directory. And there's no central data, like your collection system, where it's like, oh, I want to learn about the history of audio drama, and I want to know what's available now. And in the past, like archive.org, Doc, excuse me, archive.org is extremely helpful, because you can just search keywords and find a bunch of stuff that was curated, downloaded, cleaned, like nightfall. Amazing, amazing series from 1979 to like, 1981 or 1982. I think they only had 104 episodes, but they're really Canadian horror series. Now, really, really good stuff anthology. So a lot of it was ahead of its time.   Michael Hingson  41:53 Yeah, as we've seen so many times, well, Gene Roddenberry was way ahead of his time as well. Needless to say, yeah, so you've done a fair amount of voice acting, I gather. A bit have we have we heard   Tanja Milojevic  42:10 you might have. I mean, like, for example, some of the longer run stuff going on, it's edict zero. Some, some may be familiar with that. It's a science fiction cyberpunk series. So I'm just like Fraser meets X Files, it's really good. mind bending stuff. You know, our world is a simulation, kind of a lot of fun. That's been running, I don't know now nine years, what maybe more, it's crazy. There's what's the frequency, which is kind of a cool, fantasy, horror, contemporary show. That is one season, I think we're gonna be working on season two. So far, there is I do want to mention the 11th hour project is a great place. If you're new to audio drama, you want to dip your feet in, maybe you want to try your hand at producing or writing or something, you've never done it before. It's an extremely inclusive space. It's 11th hour audio.com. And if you visit that, you'll notice there are obviously shows that have been created. But what it is, is it's a challenge in the month of October to create audio dramas from start to finish and collaborate with people you've never collaborated with before. In this project, this team effort, and it's a race to the deadline. It comes out on world audio drama day, which is the 31st of October, in recognition of world the world's originally 1938. And it's a lot of fun. I've been involved a couple of years there. It's a wonderful community. They're extremely welcoming. The moderators are great. And they're always available to answer any questions, so I totally recommend checking it out. And then other stuff that's horizon, the white vault, there's a group out there called fool and scholar productions. And while we're on the topic of sound design, Travis van Graf, who is the one of the integral members or founders of that group, won several awards through the audio verse awards. Specifically I can think of for sound design on vast horizon and the white vault and some of his other shows, like Tales from the tower. So these are all vast horizon is a horror slash sci fi show that's about this agronomist who wakes up on a spaceship, the rest of the crew is just gone. They're not dead. There's no bodies, no signs of struggle or anything like that. They're gone. But the ship is breaking apart. So she's got to figure out a way to get to some sort of station and the only entity she can interact with is the artificial intelligence on the ship. So I play the artificial intelligence which for me was a huge like dream come true, I guess, if you will, because I've always been fascinated with it. Artificial assistants and all that. And using the screen reader. I mean, I know a lot of my friends who are visually impaired love to imitate screen readers just because it's funny. So and so I finally got to do it and get like, a dig out of it. That was awesome. And then again, vast horizon vast horizons, okay? Yes, it's it's singular, vast horizon horizon, singular, cracked, you got it. And then the white vault is a survival horror show. First Person accounts basically compiled, but not what you would imagine from seeing a lot of these similar kind of tropes, if you will, this is a truly international task. And it takes place all over the world. And they get actually authentic actors from various countries. It's not like, oh, and I want you to do a British RP accent and whatever, it's, it's actually people from there. And there are languages also being represented other languages like Mandarin, and you know, Icelandic and so on. And they, they do it in such a tasteful way where the language starts, then it fades down, and you have the voice actor speaking in English. They got translators, I mean, they really put a lot of thought into this. I highly recommend it. And you can binge all five seasons now. Vast horizon, you can also binge all the seasons. So if you need some listening materially fun road trip stuff. Those are a couple of the project. I mean, there's others, but you know, there's Take, take me, take me a while to go through those.   Michael Hingson  46:37 And with all the languages, I assume nobody though, has done clean Chinese yet?   Tanja Milojevic  46:42 Not yet. But they just Serbian.   Michael Hingson  46:45 Oh, yeah, that's that's not yet but that's okay.   Tanja Milojevic  46:49 Well, willing, that was actually fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. It's just really some insight on that. Yeah. If you're interested in, in learning about how the clang on food scene is, is done. In the next generation, I think there was a recent episode where they had this whole banquet such was like this Yeah. entity to look like an octopus, basically, creepy, alien looking. There's an episode of gastropod, where they go into, it's called gastropod, the podcast, and they talk about food in the context of science fiction and fantasy, and how writers work is, has been brought to life, either in books or in movies. And they talk about Star Trek, they actually have the lady who designed the set and the food, like that is literally her job. She designed this food to look perfect on camera. And also so that the actors aren't like, chewing too much, or whatever. They're, it's fascinating. And that's just a talk on cast. It's not audio drama.   Michael Hingson  47:53 So what's been the biggest challenge for you in your career so far on the job and all that?   Tanja Milojevic  48:00 The biggest challenge, I'd say is the ever changing technology, software, tech stacks, soft phones, CRMs, you name it, like, you know, you learn one thing, or maybe a company starts using a new tool just because it works for them. And it's a good presents good workflow. But not all the tools are usable with screen reading technology, like Jaws like NVDA voiceover. And there's this constant need to adapt and learn how to come up with workarounds. And explain to your boss, I understand why you want to use this. But I'm unable to access it because of these inaccessible barriers that I'm running across. How can we work together to make it work. And sometimes it's, well, let's collaborate on Google Sheets. And then I'll post the results up here on this tool that we're using, for instance, resemble uses something called notion. It's a fairly early tool and its development. It's mainly designed for writing and it's think of Trello. It's like cards that you move around. And those denote tasks completed or in process, you're able to put in notes, it is not accessible at all. So a lot of these workarounds is just, you gotta have a lot of communication, make sure that people are on the same page. And so we also use Slack. And then my solution is Google Suite. Because it bridges that gap a little bit. We can always post a Google link in one of those notion cards, and people can access the same info. How do you like say that? It's the best solution that I've run across so far in terms of keeping track of threads and channels, but there's definitely some things that are a little cumbersome with it. For example, sharing files when you're on the desktop version, if you're trying to download files files that folks have sent you. Getting into that, to see the file, sometimes when you tab, basically or so. So imagine that you're on the name of your colleague, and they've shared two files with you, you're going to hit tab to get into the list of files. Sometimes all it does is say bold italics. So then you have to shift tab into the field, pressure up arrow, once, it'll start reading a bunch of stuff, you ignore that you tab once you get to the files, each time you open the modal dialog to download each file. And then you hit the Close button. Once it's downloaded, you're brought right back into the message field, and your focus is no longer on the file list. So then you have to go back up repeat, tab, pass the first file you've downloaded, rinse and repeat the entire process, and it just slows you down. So I find them some way slack is very clunky. But it is the fastest solution when compared to others.   Michael Hingson  50:56 It's really good at being able to have a lot of channels and so on my biggest challenge with Slack is that if you have to monitor a variety of channels, it's not at all trivial. To go from channel to channel quickly. You just spent a lot of time looking through channels to find nuggets or information. And that's an awkward thing. It's it is not it is it is more linear from a voice standpoint, then is is really helpful.   Tanja Milojevic  51:28 Yeah, I mean, even reacting like and find it much easier to react to posts on the phone than on the desktop app. Yeah. And switch between workspaces on the phone. My other thing to bring up is notifications. I feel like Slack doesn't always notify you, right? Even if you're mentioned, sometimes it's easy to miss. So like you said, you have to sit there and hunt through all the channels, make sure that someone isn't trying to get your attention. Sometimes they just want to be like, right? I just want to be like, Can you email or text me or call me? I will get all of those things. Yes, don't bury somewhere, but it's so frustrating sometimes. But it's better than discord in terms of monitoring channels, I've noticed discords accessible, but it's not very usable in a lot of ways.   Michael Hingson  52:17 So you use a guide dog, I understand I do what caused you to decide to use a guide dog as opposed to just using a cane.   Tanja Milojevic  52:26 I've always loved animals. So as a kid, we lived on a farm and we had chickens, turkeys, we had a pig, and so on. So a lot of my job was to collect the eggs and you know, take care of them, whatever, feed them. So I grew up with animals. And then you know, birds as pets and so on. I really wanted to have my own, like dog. And my mom was just like, well, I don't know, I mean, it's a lot of work a lot of responsibility. I don't want the dog in the house. She wasn't a fan of the hair, the shedding and the responsibilities and the costs. So when I found out in high school that I could get a guide dog, you know, I could apply get one. And then I talked to some other folks who already had dogs, like my friend, teachers had dogs, I got to see them every day. And I got to see them working. And they were just so good and very caring. And there's nothing like a special bond between a guide dog and their handler, where the dog trusts you implicitly. And they love you unconditionally. So it's just such a such a it was such an attractive like, Oh, I'm gonna have my own best friend with me in college. And also the fact that you could travel around a lot easier the dog, follow people in front of you get you through a store a lot quicker find doors, elevators, stairs, street crossings. As long as you knew the route, you were good to go. So I loved that whole thing. And I decided to apply because I wanted to have a furry friend I could bring with me to college. College is intimidating when you're in high school because you're like, Well how am I gonna make friends? I'd always had trouble sort of connecting with peers my age. I always found it easier to make friends with folks were older than me. Then people my age were kids, you know kids are are fine too. But it was just that whole awkward of like, if you're the only person with a visual impairment in your school people are just like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go do my own thing. So when I got a dog, you know, started college. It was a game changer in terms of helping me not be so so sad and like down just like being far away from my family. And being in this they gave me in freshman year they gave me this room that was like for one person and it was like a cell I kid you not. It was tiny. It was a corner of the building. I'd had a tiny closet and just enough room for you to spin around with your arms out That's about it. So I was very sad. I was just like, Wow, I feel like I'm in a prison cell. And I can't, like, see family or anybody, I feel so isolated here. So having the dog was huge for my mental health and not getting depressed, too bad, you know? So I got the dog for a number of reasons. I mean, socialization, huge. People would talk to me want to pet the dog, like they cared about the dog, not me. But it didn't matter. It's still, I still did wanted to do and I could get them to help me. In certain situations, like in the cafeteria, if I needed help, or whatever, finding a certain classroom, I could get peers to help because, like, if you help me find this classroom, you can pat him. Okay. So it worked out really well. Yeah, I just loved having the companionship,   Michael Hingson  55:53 I got my first guide dog going into high school, and that was even learned to use a cane but I was very knowledgeable about travel of dog has made a lot of a difference in what I do. And a dog's Well, a dog dogs in general have taught me a lot about teamwork, I love to say that I've learned more about trust and teamwork, from working with a guide dogs that I've learned from all the business and management experts in the world, because dogs do love unconditionally, but they don't trust unconditionally. And what you said was true, they trust implicitly, but only if you earn their trust. And they likewise have to earn your trust. And you have to learn to trust them, it's a two way street. But when both members of the team trust each other, it's a sight to behold. And it makes all the difference. And, and there's something to be said for the fact that it's good to have somebody to keep company with, you know,   Tanja Milojevic  56:55 Oh, definitely. I mean, both of my dogs, I feel so fortunate I've had wonderful was my first dog. The hardest thing though, for me is like I get so attached to them. And I, if they're if they're like sick, or they're getting older, I just worry about it and worry about it. And if there's something that I wish, it's that their lives were longer, yeah, and also, I've just had dogs with health issues. My first dog had inflammatory bowel disease, cancer and kidney disease at the end. And it was traumatizing, like we had to unfortunately, you know, put them to sleep and stuff. And after that, it just affected, it still affects me, like I mentioned earlier, grief doesn't go away at all, it's just how you deal with it. And you have to understand they you need to accept it, it's part of your life. And you're always going to remember them. And you got to you got to give them the respect of remembering them fondly and appreciating them for what they gave you. Right there. They gave their soul their spirit for you, you know,   Michael Hingson  57:58 you could dwell on the disease, or you can draw up dwell on the bad things, or you can dwell on the positive things and all the things that we learned together, and one of the things that I've learned through now, eight guide dogs is Wow, when when I got my first one in 1964, so it's been a while. But you know, when when they grow old, or they become ill, and you have to get our dog, it doesn't mean that you think any less of the dog who can't be your partner anymore, but you form a new teaming relationship. And your relationship may change if you keep the old the other dog which we generally have done. But still, the relationship is there. And what you really get to do is to get two dogs used to each other so that they interact and that's a lot of fun. Yeah, and I've had I've had two dogs ganging up on me. So which dog do you think I am? I want to go to work today. Oh, they're so easy. They're sneaky. Oh, that is so sweet. LaTonya this has been a lot of fun. Absolutely. I really appreciate all your time and insights. If people want to learn more about you and voice acting and so on, how would they do that?   Tanja Milojevic  59:18 You can check out my website that has samples of my work at WWW dot Tanja T A N J A. M as in Mary voice.com. That's TanjaMvoice.com. You can email me at Tanja t a

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Season 2, episode 7 is here. Our guy Dominic is still home, getting better. Connor, Mark, and Erica talk with the iconic Denise Crosby, known for playing Tasha Yar in Star Trek: The Next Generation. We learn about Denise's childhood, her hippy VW Bus accident in Mexico. How she was blah on modeling (but loved Europe), why she posed for Playboy, and why she wanted to leave Star Trek. She produced two movies (and is producing a 3rd) about being Trek Fans: "Trekkies" and "Trekkies 2." Wash's new pot is catching on. Erica gets some fan questions in, Connor and Denise play for Patreon Member Slacktwaddle in this week's Star Trek Trivia, and Denise plays “Stuck on a Deserted Island with Connor Trinneer.” It's another badass actress episode of Shuttlepod Show.We have merch! Check out our website. www.shuttlepodshow.comThe full conversation is available for our amazing Patreon Members. If you enjoy this show, please like, follow, subscribe, and share! It's so important and appreciated! If you'd like to contribute more to the sustainability of the show, please consider becoming a Patreon member. You will have access to significant exciting membership perks including extended unabridged episodes, live events priorities, behind the scenes access and much more. We are committed to building an engaging immersive community experience for our Patreon Members while remaining dedicated to our vision of making our interviews freely available to the public on YouTube. Your help makes that happen. Patreon: https://patreon.com/shuttlepodshowFollow us: Insta: @shuttlepodshow Twitter: @shuttlepodshow Facebook: @shuttlepodshow https://www.shuttlepodshow.com

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Our Halloween episode starts off with some Pet Cemetery and serial killers. We do another installment of Les's Diary and Koolade and Brett battle "Jason vs Freddy". Stand up comedian Big Jay Oakerson plays the Blue Oyster Lounge as well as Billy and the devil singing that hitter "Seeing Ghost". ====================================== Buy the boys a beer https://www.buymeacoffee.com/cominginhot  Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: comingnhotcast@gmail.com  Hit the Hotline - (213) 347-5003 New merch - cominginhotpodcast.com ====================================== Music: Billy and the Devil Comedian: Big Jay Oakerson ======================================  Support our sponsors: https://www.naturallight.com/  ====================================== Patrons of the show: Jer Blane, Andy Hickle, Steph H, Jenni with a I, Randy Wilkerson, Ohera, Kate, Big Rich and Ja-cob coming in last at only 99 cents. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/cominginhot/support

We're back to discuss the 1992 film, Pet Sematary II! Why does the town act like the story of the first movie is an urban legend even though it was only 3 years ago? Why is the paparazzi at this C-grade actresses' funeral? Why would they bury the villain of the movie in the Pet Cemetery so he comes back to life? Why did this movie ruin mashed potatoes for us? And how did they teach that dog to act so well? We talk about that and more here! Follow us everywhere! Instagram: @SantaMiraAfterDark Twitter: @SantaMiraADPod

Phelps looks at a case that stands out in the annals of high-profile true-crime. But what is the actual story behind the trail of dead bodies Doomsday cult mom Lori Vallow has left in her wake? Phelps digs into the media frenzy to reveal the truth - and why the body count keeps growing, even after Vallow landed in jail.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Feliks Banel's guests on this episode of "Cascade of History" include Ken Zick with a live report from the closed-permanently-as-of-October-15 Highland Ice Arena in Shoreline; military, maritime and aviation historians Lee Corbin and Shawn Murphy on their many research projects; and Sarah Steen, Landmarks Coordinator for the King County Historic Preservation Program on the recently landmarked Seattle-Tacoma Pet Cemetery. This LIVE broadcast of "Cascade of History" was originally presented on at 8pm Pacific Time on Sunday, October 16, 2022 via SPACE 101.1 FM and streaming live via space101fm.org from studios at historic Magnuson Park on the shores of Lake Washington in Seattle.

Show Summary:Welcome to the Fat & Broke mastermind group.  In today's session…We discuss:Having Too Much TimeFalling Down The Rabbit HolePet CemeteryLeave A Voice Memo | Review The Show | Follow | Subscribe | NewsletterHeadline Of The Week:Gen Z trusts this man more than Warren Buffett for financial advice — and he says this is the single best habit to adopt if you want to save moneyMastermind Group:Sarah:Sarah has spent a lot of money on her dog over the past few years.  We discuss why she is so willing to do this, and at what point she would say no.Peter:Peter has been falling victim to the endless scroll of Reddit and Facebook Marketplace.  We discuss how this happened and his actions to fix it.Gary:Gary's kids are growing up fast, and he and Jess (his wife) are finding themselves with an empty nest and a lot of time.  We discuss how to handle best this abrupt change in his life in a positive way.Resources Mentioned In This Episode:NoneFan Feedback:None

Today Annie Sargent brings you a conversation with Eddie Hamalian about visiting France with a baby. He's quite the dad and a definite Francophile. His wife has family in France as well, so this was something they wanted to do. Eddie has great tips for all of you young parents who want to come to France with their baby. It turns out that French people love visitor who bring their children, but there are a few gotchas you need to be aware of. On this trip Eddie and his family went to Lyon, Annecy, Beaune, and Paris. France Bootcamp May 21 until May 27 in Toulouse If you haven't already, please fill out this form to let Annie know that you'd like to be invited to the party! France Travel Update For the travel update this week, Annie talks about the Père Lachaise for pets in Asnière-sur-Seine. A serene and very unusual place! Recommended in this episode Quenlles de Lyon Yo-Yo Zen stroller Inglesina chair for restaurants Best Western Hotel International Le Jardin des 5 Sens on in Yvoire Cheese Fondue at Le Monchu in Chamonix Au Raisin Gourmand Restaurant in Beaune Le Caveau des Arches Restaurant in Beaune Restaurant Kalypso in the Batignolles neighborhood in Paris Le Costaud des Batignolles restaurant in Paris La Gazette Batignolles Brasserie in Paris Le Valmy Restaurant in the 10th Arrondissement in Paris Créatures Restaurant on top of the Galeries Lafayette in Paris near the Opera Video of the Pet Cemetery in Asnière-sur-Seine France with a Baby General Recommendations Airbnbs are great because you can make it feel more like home Bring a stroller like the Baby Zen Yoyo Be prepared to change diapers in the stroller or on the grass. Most restaurants in France don't have room for a big changing table. Trains are difficult with a baby or children, it adds a lot of stress. Consider renting a car instead. Don't assume people speak English. Try French first! Ask "parlez-vous Anglais ? Table of Contents for the France with a Baby Episode [00:00:00] Intro [00:00:38] Today on the Podcast [00:00:59] Thank You, Patrons [00:01:29] France Bootcamp [00:02:34] Main Interview [00:03:11] How long was he in Paris? [00:04:04] Paul Bocuse market [00:04:15] Paul Bocuse with a Baby [00:05:22] His Favorite Food in Lyon [00:06:38] Lunch Times in France [00:07:18] The Tête-d'Or Park [00:08:24] Would You Tip a Boat Attendant? [00:09:03] Lyon with a Stroller [00:10:08] No Baby Seats in Restaurants [00:11:29] Annecy [00:12:44] Bad Airbnb experience [00:16:34] Le Jardin De Cinq Sens [00:17:50] Chamonix [00:19:24] Beaune [00:21:14] Baby-friendly country, might feel too friendly to some [00:23:46] Let's pretend we live in Paris [00:24:59] You Need Time to Visit the Louvre [00:25:43] Paris is inexpensive compared to Los Angeles [00:26:17] You pay for the view, even in Franc! [00:27:50] Favorite Restaurants in Les Battignole [00:28:54] Le Costaud des Battignolles [00:29:56] Gazette Brasserie [00:30:17] Baby trying new foods in France [00:31:46] 10th arrondissement [00:33:17] Areas to avoid in Paris [00:36:27] Unsavory Parts of Paris [00:38:18] Daughter's baptism at the Armenian cathedral [00:39:49] The Galleries Lafayette, family celebration [00:41:48] General Advice for France with a Baby [00:43:54] Avoid the Train If You Can [00:45:17] Don't Assume Everyone Speaks English [00:46:58] Thank You, Patrons [00:47:20] New Patrons [00:48:27] The Facebook Group [00:49:48] Hire Me as Your Itinerary Consultant [00:50:24] Self-guided VoiceMap Tours [00:50:52] Pet Cemetary in Asnière-sur-Seine near Paris [00:52:09] This week in French news [00:54:18] Gaillac [00:56:24] Show Notes [00:57:12] Next Week on the Podcast More episodes about Family Travel in France FOLLOW US ON: Email | Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter Discussed in this Episode Lyon Annecy Chamonix Beanne Paris Bad Airbnb experience 10e Arrondissement the hip area Areas you want to avoid in Paris Avoid the area between Gare du Nord and Gare de l'Est Avoid Barbès Baptism at the Armenian Cathedral in Paris Celebration at the Créatures Restaurant on top of the Galleries Lafayette Asnière-sur-Seine La Rentrée Forum des Associations Gaillac Categories: France How To, Paris Support the Show Tip Your Guides Extras Patreon Audio Tours Merchandise

Chunga has listened to you! THANKS!! YAY!!! he's allowed to eat Flamin' Hot Cheetos! Now, he really needs your help with something fairly serious...It's that time of year and time for the kid to head back to school! CHUNGA POLL: What was your favorite school lunch?!? Post your answers below!The world says goodbye to the amazing Clu Gulager. What? Wait who??? What about Olivia Newton John??? Aren't you going to say goodbye to her?? OF COURSE!Have you seen the new documentary on Disney + called "Light & Magic"??? It's INCREDIBLE!!!!Plus, Gregg has a special tribute in his new movie shout-out! Listen NOW!!!

Chunga has listened to you! THANKS!! YAY!!! he's allowed to eat Flamin' Hot Cheetos! Now, he really needs your help with something fairly serious... It's that time of year and time for the kid to head back to school! CHUNGA POLL: What was your favorite school lunch?!? Post your answers below! The world says goodbye to the amazing Clu Gulager. What? Wait who??? What about Olivia Newton John??? Aren't you going to say goodbye to her?? OF COURSE! Have you seen the new documentary on Disney + called "Light & Magic"??? It's INCREDIBLE!!!! Plus, Gregg has a special tribute in his new movie shout-out! Listen NOW!!!

Chunga has listened to you! THANKS!! YAY!!! he's allowed to eat Flamin' Hot Cheetos! Now, he really needs your help with something fairly serious... It's that time of year and time for the kid to head back to school! CHUNGA POLL: What was your favorite school lunch?!? Post your answers below! The world says goodbye to the amazing Clu Gulager. What? Wait who??? What about Olivia Newton John??? Aren't you going to say goodbye to her?? OF COURSE! Have you seen the new documentary on Disney + called "Light & Magic"??? It's INCREDIBLE!!!! Plus, Gregg has a special tribute in his new movie shout-out! Listen NOW!!!

This episode is all about aliens, which animals are acceptable to cremate, putting your dog down, why Sam is a cat guy, and why squirrels are invincible.  It's all over the place.  We know.Check out our merch: OnTapWithTheBoiz.comStreamforge RadioExclusive interviews with renowned content creators and game developers.Listen on: Apple Podcasts Spotify Smells Like HumansLike spending time with funny friends talking about curious human behavior. Listen on: Apple Podcasts Spotify The Reformed Financial Advisor Learn from a CFP® the why and how of integrating Bitcoin into your financial plan .Listen on: Apple Podcasts Spotify Travelemployees.com/podcastPodcast for Travel Enthusiasts & Professionals Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifyBuy our merch Supply the beer and help the boiz create content by grabbing some merch from our storeMuff Waders Discount Get yourself some really high quality drinking spenders. Use code ONTAP for 10% off!College Peep Show Merch Check out CPS gear and use code: ONTAP for 10% off your order

The long-awaited talk with the one and only Reed Ferguson is finally here! We dive deep into the past of the most interesting man in Palm Beach. Reed doesn't hold anything back on this interview so make sure you stick around until the end! @reediculously @123datura @_petecasso_ @nickagnelli

We talk with Michell Galin, Producer of CREEPSHOW 2, TALES FROM THE CRYPT, PET CEMETERY, THE STAND and so much more.  We discuss his early days in a band and how his long-term vision to not be on the road his whole life led him to a career that had him on the road even more.  We talk about his long partnership with Stephen King, his friendship with George Romero, and his recent work on the CREEPSHOW series.  Marc also makes an uncomfortable attempt to talk about his love of the movie, THINNER.