Podcast appearances and mentions of michael goldman

Host Gemma Thomason delves into digital evolution with Michael Goldman, Product Manager for Data & AI at Länsförsäkringar, Kevin Albrecht, Interim Head of Product at Resurs, and Regina Rasmanis, COO/CTO at Rediem Capital. They discuss leading digital transformation across finance, insurance, and investment sectors. Michael shares insights on AI implementation, Kevin highlights agile product strategies, and Regina explores operational tech leadership. This episode offers expert perspectives on leveraging data and innovation to drive competitive advantage in today's Nordic digital landscape.

Ep. 176 - Political consultant Michael Goldman of Goldman & O'Neil reflects on the factors leading to the November 2024 presidential election. Ed Lucey hosts. #02148Podcast #Malden #Vote #PresidentialElections

In this episode, Bob Firring welcomes SCSH Performing Arts Club members Linda Bostjanick, Judith Bennoch, Michael Goldman, and Vicki Barkan. Tune in to learn about the club's upcoming play, Casserole, which is running March 20 – 23. Links: Performing Arts Club Presents: Casserole Do you have an idea for a podcast episode? Contact Bob Firring at ... Read more

In this episode, Bob welcomes SCSH Performing Arts Club members Michael Goldman and Robin Adelman. They are here to talk about the club's upcoming performance of Exit Laughing. Tune in to learn more about the show. Links: Tickets for Exit Laughing Performing Arts Webpage Transcription:

Ep. 171 - Political consultant Michael Goldman of the O'Neil/Goldman Group is the guest. Ed Lucey hosts. #02148Podcast #Malden #PoliticalConsultant #Politics #Consultant

Join us for an afternoon focused on automation and innovation for public good. Autonomous vehicles have the potential to revolutionize transportation in our cities, offering increased accessibility and efficiency in our urban transport systems. The 8th Autonomous Vehicles and the City symposium at The Commonwealth Club World Affairs of California will feature global discussions from senior executives and experts across the AV industry and the public sector. From integrating automation and AI within public transit systems to optimizing resources like curbs and city rights-of-way for autonomous vehicle operations to reduce vehicle miles traveled, the conference will touch on the variety of ways AV platforms are being used to serve diverse populations and help global cities meet climate goals. Speakers and Moderators Dr. William (Billy) Riggs, Professor, University of San Francisco; Director, Autonomous Vehicles & the City Initiative Dr. Otgontsetseg Erhemjamts, Dean, School of Management, University of San Francisco Sharon Giovinazzo, CEO, LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired San Francisco Mollie Cohen D'Agostino, Executive Director, Mobility Science, Automation and Inclusion Center (MoSAIC) at UC Davis Arielle Fleisher, Policy Development and Research Manager at Waymo Brook Dubose, Associate Principal and Cities, Planning & Design Leader at Arup Dr. Henriette Cornet, Professor, University of San Francisco; Strategic Mobility Consultant Tim Haile, Executive Director, Contra Costa Transportation Authority (CCTA) Dr. James Fishelson, Executive Director, PATH at UC Berkeley  Dr. Sven Beiker, Managing Director, Silicon Valley Mobility; Lecturer, Stanford University Ron Thaniel, Senior Director of Policy and Regulatory Affairs, Zoox Dr. Michael Goldman, Professor, University of San Francisco; Associate Dean of Graduate Programs   Hosted by the University of San Francisco School of Management. In partnership with The Commonwealth Club of California Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

----more----Continuing with the theme of engagement, in Episode 10 we focus on effective communications for leaders!  In the realm of leadership, communication stands as the cornerstone of success. Join us in this episode as we delve into the intricate art of effective communication for leaders. From inspiring teams to navigating complex challenges, the ability to convey ideas, visions, and concerns with clarity and impact is paramount. Through real-world examples and practical tips, this episode equips leaders at all levels with the insights and skills needed to communicate with impact, inspire action, and drive organizational success. Tune in to gain invaluable wisdom and elevate your leadership communication to new heights. As guests, we welcome back Kevin Quinn and Michael Goldman who share real examples and tools on how you can communicate effectively! Kevin is Strategic Advisor and Coach for the Trademarked Leadership Podcast. Kevin travels the world seeking the secrets of leadership strength. As a consultant, instructional designer and facilitator, Kevin helps clients learn key skills and breakthrough ideas. Kevin has an MA and MPA degrees from Queen's U and did his Doctoral studies in Adult Learning at U of T. He is a published author, a ballroom dancer and an arctic explorer. Michael Goldman is President and owner of Facilitation First Inc. – an organization specializing in the provision and training of professional meeting facilitation services. For the last 30+ years Michael has designed, customized and trained 1000's of people in the art of facilitation. As a professional facilitator, Michael has worked with public and private organizations around the world helping them to improve alignment, identify key priorities, and achieve consensus by using effective engagement strategies. His clients typically refer to him as the Meeting Doctor – helping folks like yourselves heal from the wounds of poorly managed meetings. Michael has edited several books on facilitative leadership and has written over 30 articles published in prominent North American business magazines. https://facilitationfirst.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwP6sBhDAARIsAPfK_wb7ggG0wtdDLf_XcTCAr2cYyUd58S7EU74Z_ynhqriZJSYz70_actYaAuqfEALw_wcB

Welcome to Episode 9! Continuing with the overarching theme of Engagement, in this episode we focus on exploring the causes and the impacts of uncertainty in our workplaces.  As guests, we welcome Kevin Quinn and Michael Goldman who share ideas on how to deal with the uncertainty among their team as well as their own feelings about uncertainty using examples and a real-time assessment of a real-life example. Kevin is Strategic Advisor and Coach for the Trademarked Leadership Podcast. Kevin travels the world seeking the secrets of leadership strength. As a consultant, instructional designer and facilitator, Kevin helps clients learn key skills and breakthrough ideas. Kevin has an MA and MPA degrees from Queen's U and did his Doctoral studies in Adult Learning at U of T. He is a published author, a ballroom dancer and an arctic explorer. Michael Goldman is President and owner of Facilitation First Inc. – an organization specializing in the provision and training of professional meeting facilitation services. For the last 30+ years Michael has designed, customized and trained 1000's of people in the art of facilitation. As a professional facilitator, Michael has worked with public and private organizations around the world helping them to improve alignment, identify key priorities, and achieve consensus by using effective engagement strategies. His clients typically refer to him as the Meeting Doctor – helping folks like yourselves heal from the wounds of poorly managed meetings. Michael has edited several books on facilitative leadership and has written over 30 articles published in prominent North American business magazines. https://facilitationfirst.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwP6sBhDAARIsAPfK_wb7ggG0wtdDLf_XcTCAr2cYyUd58S7EU74Z_ynhqriZJSYz70_actYaAuqfEALw_wcB

Episode 8: Engagement eh?  Please join us in the release of our next series which will focus on Engagement. Engagement eh? you say? it is such a broad aspect of the workplace and we would like to explore in more detail what it means.  In this episode we talk about the definition of engagement, what are some of the uncertainties today and how we deal with them, what some of the research tells us, and what are the next steps.  Over the next few episodes, we will welcome Kevin Quinn and Michael Goldman to take us on a journey in these areas: Engagement in the workplace, Dealing with uncertainty,  How do leaders communicate effectively; and How to engage the people who work for you.

Question: What would jazz music sound like if it had been born in a country without patriarchy; taught without bias and performed on a stage with radical inclusivity? That's what jazz titan Terri Lyne Carrington says is the foundation behind Berklee College of Music's Institute of Jazz and Gender Justice. Terri Lyne is the founder and artistic director of the Institute and a professor at Berklee, her alma mater. In this episode of Strictly Jazz Sounds, I spend time with Terri Lyne Carrington, getting deep into this question along with how to lift women and nonbinary individuals in this historically male dominated industry, creating a new bandscape that reveals the multitude of different voices in jazz. Terri Lyne is a drum major for women and nonbinary individuals in the jazz ecosystem. She's also a highly successful drummer/percussionist, a bandleader, composer and producer, an artistic director of a couple of organizations, a writer with two books, and an educator. On Terri Lyne's website, she displays many photos of the extraordinary talent that she met through her musician father's friends. You see her standing between drummers Roy Haynes and Tony Williams; Art Blakey is sitting on the floor next to Terri Lyne while she plays the drums; another has Buddy Rich next to her while she's on the drums. Not your typical teenager's hangout of friends nor upbringing experiences. She readily acknowledges her home environment was one of privilege and enriching for a young prodigy. Terri Lyne dedicates her life to reaching back to today's young women and nonbinary individuals bent on changing the faces of jazz, on and behind the bandstand. We most certainly spend time on her 2023 Grammy winning album New Standards Vol. 1 on the CANDID label and the related book “New Standards Vol. 1: 101 Lead Sheets by Women Composers,” published by Berklee Press. Two tracks of music from the album are included in this episode. The personnel for the album: Terri Lyne Carrington-drums/percussion; Kris Davis-piano; Linda May Han Oh-bass; Nicholas Payton-trumpet; and Matthew Stevens, guitar.  Uplifted Hearts by Shamie Royston; featuring Ravi Coltrane-tenor sax; Val Jeanty-electronics; Elena Pinderhuges-flute; Negah Santos-percussion; and Shadrack Oppong-spoken word. Throw It Away by Abbey Lincoln; featuring: Somi-vocal; Melanie Charles-vocal; and Negah Santos-percussion. Terri Lyne Carrington's portfolio is extensive, bold, and rich. If you are unfamiliar with it, I encourage you to check it out and listen to her music in her discography. The next episode of Strictly Jazz Sounds will be in early 2024. I'm taking some medical time off until then. This is the first year of this podcast. Thanks so much to all my guests and to you for making this a great year for me. If you have not subscribed, do so. You'll be one of the first to know when a new episode is released. Support live jazz wherever you are. Be safe. Steve Braunginn Thanks to CANDID Records for the music. Photo of Terri Lyne Carrington by Michael Goldman

Ep. 156 Political advisor Michael Goldman is the guest. Ed Lucey hosts.

Please join Troutman Pepper's Intellectual Property and Health Sciences practice groups for our podcast series focused on strategies, trends, and other happenings in post-grant proceedings.In the final installment of this three-episode series, Troutman Pepper attorney Andy Zappia moderates a discussion with his colleagues Michael Goldman and Megan Thisse O'Gara on the mechanics and strategic considerations for using reexamination as a means to amend claims in IPR and PGR proceedings.

Ep. 145 Michael Goldman, political consultant of Goldman and O'Neil, discusses safety and services for seniors, a look forward to the 2024 presidential election, and fitness for office. Ed Lucey hosts.

Please join Troutman Pepper's Intellectual Property and Health Sciences practice groups for our podcast series, which focuses on strategies, trends, and other happenings in post-grant proceedings.In this second installment of a three-episode series, Troutman Pepper Attorney Andy Zappia moderates a discussion with his colleagues Michael Goldman and Megan Thisse O'Gara, on the mechanics and best strategies for using reissue to amend claims in the context of IPR and PGR proceedings.Be on the lookout next month for our third episode in this three-part series, which will focus specifically on reexamination strategy in the context of IPR and PGR proceedings.

Do you wish you had more influence with your clients and candidates?    The last time Michael Goldman joined our podcast, he shared the secrets of enjoying a long-term career in recruiting. In this interview, he reveals how we as recruiters and business owners can create more value and enjoy greater influence with our clients and candidates.   Michael started his recruiting career in 1980 and founded his own firm, Strategic Associates, in 1988. Michael has built an excellent reputation as an executive recruiter in manufacturing and supply chains nationwide on both a contingency and retained basis.   Michael is a Founding Member and former president of the Pinnacle Society. Having run a successful desk for 42 years, and been a consistent top producer, Michael also speaks on and teaches recruiting tactics and strategies to recruiters globally.   Episode Outline and Highlights   [07:30] “Pulling your career sword from the stone”- Michael shares his career-building insights. [14:08] Focus on influencing rather than selling.  [18:28] Positioning your opportunity in the marketplace through a branding strategy. [23:47] Michael shares the ‘vampire approach.' [29:42] Integrating the branding philosophy when talking with candidates and clients.  [39:06] Bringing value to candidates by giving clarity to their career path. [43:08] “The Death of Expertise” - Michael and I exchange book recommendations. [47:30] Fostering connections and mentorship. [51:40] No plans to retire; Michael's 42-year career and still going strong!  [56:00] Sowing the seeds of value.   Focus on Influencing Rather Than Selling   A key insight that Michael discussed is why he advocates recruiters to influence, rather than sell. According to Michael, “A lot of people in our industry, especially newbies in the first 5 years or so are trained to throw up as much as against the wall as possible… What I do in the beginning is ask questions to determine the quality of the thought process that a prospect would have. I will understand what it takes to influence them as opposed to selling them…Because that is the key to unlock their retention.”     How does this translate to your role as a recruiter or a recruitment business owner? This is how Micheal explained it: “They expect you to be interesting… You have to realize, these people in the marketplace every day are in storms. They are constantly trying to sweep back the water on the deck of the boat and they are dealing with daily and weekly challenges… If you can tap into their perception of what success is in their life and you can do it in an interesting way, that will lead you toward providing significant influence with prospective candidates and clients.”   Integrating a Branding Philosophy to Engage Your Clients and Candidates   Michael discussed what differentiates a transactional recruiter from a consultative recruiter. He believes it's about integrating a branding philosophy to establish trust and influence, especially when engaging with candidates and clients. From a branding perspective, there are parallel activities that Michael shared from both the candidate and client's side. From the candidate side,  he helps them identify their unique value proposition and helps them re-write their CVs to make them more powerful and aligned with their personal branding. On the client side, Michael helps his clients align their job descriptions in line with the employer's brand and vision of opportunity to make it attractive to the right sort of people.   Our Sponsors   This podcast is proudly sponsored by i-intro and Recruitment Entrepreneur.   i-intro® is an end-to-end retained recruitment platform. Their technology and methodology allow recruiters to differentiate themselves from the competition, win more retained business, bigger fees, and increase their billings. Their software combined with world-class training enables you to transition from transactional, contingency recruiter to consultative, retained recruiter. Instead of being perceived as a “me too” vendor, you'll be positioned as a “me only” solutions provider. Be sure to mention Mark Whitby or The Resilient Recruiter. Book your free, no-obligation consultation here: www.recruitmentcoach.com/retained Recruitment Entrepreneur is the world's leading Private Equity firm specializing in the international recruitment industry. If you've dreamed of starting, scaling, and selling your recruitment business, this is your chance. James Caan and his team at Recruitment Entrepreneur are actively seeking ambitious recruiters in who they can invest. They provide everything you need to grow a successful recruitment business including funding, financial expertise, coaching and mentoring, operational strategy, back-office support, marketing, and talent attraction solutions. Be sure to mention Mark Whitby or The Resilient Recruiter. Start a conversation here: https://www.recruitmentcoach.com/vc   Michael Goldman Bio and Contact Info   Since 1980, both in his native New York and Austin, Texas, Michael Goldman has cultivated a respected reputation for achievement in nationwide manufacturing/supply chain executive recruitment on both a contingency and retained basis. In 1988, he founded Strategic Associates with the purpose of creating a highly specialized firm encompassing talent in the areas of the supply chain, procurement, quality/regulatory affairs, and operations (plant and corporate).  Clients span industries from medical devices to consumer packaged goods to industrial to high technology products–from perishable goods to durable–from food products to computers and personal communication devices to biomedical technology to capital equipment. They are from Fortune 500 and 50 to mid-sized privately-held firms.      Michael is an original Founding Member of the Pinnacle Society and, from 1991 to 1995, served two consecutive terms as its second president.  He was awarded the Honorary Lifetime Membership in recognition of both his accomplishments in recruiting and service to Pinnacle.  In addition, he has earned his CPC through the National Association of Personnel Services.      Along with continuously maintaining his consistent success as a “desk-running” recruiter for over 40 years (and currently), Michael also speaks on and teaches domestically and internationally advanced and basic recruiting tactics and strategies. He has been requested to provide grass-roots recruitment seminars and speaking engagements to American state and national organizations as well as international audiences. To date, he has personally educated recruitment professionals in the US, Ireland, England, and South Africa.  In addition, he has conducted webinars for state recruiting organizations and Pinnacle Society meetings, and Pinnacle Panel events.   Michael on LinkedIn Strategic Associates website link   People and Resources Mentioned   The Pinnacle Society website link Lou Adler on LinkedIn Allan Fisher on LinkedIn Somer Hackley on LinkedIn Natasha Makhijani on LinkedIn  The Death of Expertise by Tom Nichols How I Raised Myself from Failure to Success in Selling by Dale Carnegie   Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Related Podcast You Might Enjoy TRR#131 How to Make Better Placements with Performance-Based Hiring, with Lou Adler TRR#166 How to Bill $1,000,000 For Ten Years Straight and Grow a Successful Team, with Allan Fisher TRR#139 How to Grow a Wildly Successful Executive Search Practice, with Somer Hackley TRR#30 How to Open Doors and Build Relationships at C-Level, with Natasha Makhijani Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter  

Please join Troutman Pepper's Intellectual Property and Health Sciences practice groups for our podcast series focused on strategies, trends, and other happenings in post-grant proceedings.In this first of a three-episode series, Troutman Pepper attorney Andy Zappia moderates a discussion with his colleagues Michael Goldman and Megan Thisse O'Gara on the pros and cons of reissue versus reexamination as a means to amend claims in the context of IPR and PGR proceedings.Be on the lookout next month for our second episode in this three-part series, which will focus specifically on reissue strategy in the context of IPR and PGR proceedings.

Picking up from where we left off in the previous bonus episode, we have invited professor of sport management at the University of San Francisco, Dr. Michael Goldman to facilitate the most extensive expert analysis of SA Tourism's proposed R1bn sleeve sponsorship deal with Tottenham Hotspur available right now. In this episode, Dr. Goldman discusses the problematic nature of the deal's unplanned announcement following the publication of a prematurely leaked document, the details behind SA Tourism's R1bn sponsorship deal with Tottenham Hotspur, the potential financial and marketing returns of the sponsorship deal, how sport sponsorship deals' ROI are generally measured and the relevant comparison points with Visit Rwanda's deal with Arsenal. Dr. Goldman then concludes with his expert view on how the South African government and SA Tourism could strategically proceed with the proposed deal.  ------------------- ⭐ The best way to support the podcast is to subscribe, share and leave us a 5-star rating on Apple Podcasts or Spotify.

As the 2022 golf season begins to wrap up, Ryan Rottman returns to the podcast to chat about OSDB.com and Christmas Hallmark movie. The RSM Classic was cold and windy, but Canadian Adam Svensson rallied from a poor Thursday start to hoist the trophy (2:11). The LPGA wrapped up their season in Naples, FL, where Lydia Ko capped off one incredible season (6:10). The DP World Tour's Race to Dubai ended predictable, with Jon Rahm and Rory McIlroy hoisting trophies (10:20). The golf world is now going quiet, but December has a couple events on the horizon (13:20). In Tuned In, Michael is catching a new animated series on Prime, "The Legend of Vox Machina," while Alex is sharing some insight from her recent RunYourPool.com article about how to eat, chat with family, and watch sports on Thanksgiving (14:32). Ryan Rottman, actor and business man, returns to the podcast along with his OSDB.com partner Michael Goldman to chat about the new website that combines all the info you want about your favorite athletes, and about Rottman's newest Hallmark Christmas movie (17:53). The football world on the collegiate and professional side of the ball saw poor picks from Alex this weekend, but the big headlines were surprise blowouts, and horrible games (49:59). As the guys #AlwaysEndWithFood, desert is on the menu as they look ahead to the Thanksgiving finale, while Michael prepares for his birthday meal on Saturday (52:59).

Ep. 131 Host Ed Lucey welcomes political consultant and longtime friend of the show Michael Goldman of O'Neil and Goldman Associates.

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Ep. 126 Political consultant Michael Goldman is the guest. Ed Lucey hosts.

Le sommaire de Focus Écran Saison 5 Épisode 1 Le point Médiamétrie avec Baptiste : Retour sur les 3 audiences à retenir de la semaine. Le récap Média de la semaine : on revient sur les principales infos télé La guerre de la semaine : Canal coupe le signal des chaînes du groupe TF1. L'inconnu de la semaine : Michael Goldman, futur directeur de la Star Academy ? Les débats de Focus (Pour/Contre) : Le succès de l'été " Les Traîtres " sur M6. Chroniqueurs : Florian, Baptiste et Louis. Réalisateur et producteur : Yassine. Animateur : Yassine. Disco Dude's - Midnight Dance Musique proposée par https://whoo.fr Écouter: https://youtu.be/p4mQ9GWP6vw Télécharger: https://whoo.fr/catalogue/disco-dudes... Licence Creative Commons 3.0 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/...

As we slowly pull out of the pandemic the Real Estate market is going crazy - both residential and commercial. The Language of Business Podcast looks what's happening when to comes to buying or selling a home: Sky-high prices and houses selling well over asking, but hardly anything is actually on the market. On the commercial side, companies are downsizing because so many are working from home or on a hybrid schedule...and retail is reeling from the home delivery boom. Host Greg Stoller talks with Rick McCready, Co-President of The Davis Companies about the picture in the Boston market...and Michael Goldman, President of MGA Commercial Real Estate in DC. Host Greg Stoller Rick McCready, Co-President, Davis Companies Michael Goldman, President, MGA Support for The Language of Business is from

Sự hình thành liên minh tam cường AUKUS đã tạo nên những cơn sóng phản ứng khác nhau đến từ nhiều quốc gia, thậm chí là giữa các nước thành viên trong khối ASEAN. Nếu như Philippines và Singapore ủng hộ liên minh ba bên, thì Indonesia và Malaysia lại lên tiếng phản đối. Trong khi đó, mặc dù không tuyên bố chính thức, nhưng nhiều chuyên gia cho rằng, sự trung lập của Việt Nam có thể ngầm hiểu là một sự chấp nhận và ủng hộ AUKUS. Để tìm hiểu rõ hơn lập trường từ Hà Nội, RFI Tiếng Việt phỏng vấn tiến sĩ Nguyễn Hồng Hải. Ông là nghiên cứu viên của Trung tâm Tương lai Chính sách, thuộc Khoa Nhân văn và Xã hội học, Trường Đại học Queensland, Úc Châu. ********* RFI Tiếng Việt : Cách đây không lâu, trong một bài viết được đăng tải, ông cho rằng, sự trung lập của Hà Nội có thể được hiểu là sự ủng hộ của Việt Nam đối với dự án hạm đội tàu ngầm năng lượng hạt nhân của Úc cùng liên minh AUKUS. Vậy, dựa trên cơ sở nào để khẳng định được điều này? TS. Nguyễn Hồng Hải : Trước hết, tôi xin cập nhật thêm rằng, ngày 22/11 vừa qua, sau hơn 2 tháng hình thành AUKUS, bộ trưởng Quốc Phòng Úc Peter Dutton, đại biện lâm thời Mỹ Michael Goldman và cao ủy Anh Victoria Treadell đã thay mặt chính phủ ba nước chính thức ký thỏa thuận trao đổi thông tin nhạy cảm về hệ thống động cơ tàu ngầm hạt nhân, hiện thực hóa một bước thỏa thuận AUKUS. Theo tôi, có bốn cơ sở chính để nhận định sự ủng hộ “ngầm” của Hà Nội đối với liên minh AUKUS. Thứ nhất, chính sách đối ngoại của Việt Nam là đặt lợi ích quốc gia dân tộc lên trên hết. Điều này có nghĩa là những gì không ảnh hưởng và xâm hại đến lợi ích quốc gia dân tộc của Việt Nam, thì Việt Nam sẽ không phản đối; và điều gì cần thiết để bảo vệ lợi ích quốc gia dân tộc thì Việt Nam cũng sẽ làm. Cũng có thể coi đây là chính sách ngoại giao thực dụng. Nhưng, thử hỏi trên thế giới này có nước nào mà không đặt lợi ích quốc gia dân tộc lên trên hết trong quan hệ quốc tế ? Đây là bài học lịch sử, và cũng là điểm then chốt mà tôi muốn nhấn mạnh rằng từ nay trở đi mọi đánh giá về phản ứng hay ứng xử của Việt Nam đối với các vấn đề quốc tế cần phải nhìn qua lăng kính chính sách này của Việt Nam. Thủ tướng Scott Morrison khi bảo vệ quyết định tham gia liên minh AUKUS và chấm dứt hợp đồng với phía Pháp đóng tàu ngầm chạy diesel thông thường để chuyển sang xây dựng lực lượng 8 tàu ngầm hạt nhân cũng nói đó là vì lợi ích quốc gia. Đã là lợi ích quốc gia thì không ai có thể phản bác. Việt Nam hiểu điều đó, vì thế, nếu có phản đối thì cũng không thay đổi được gì mà chỉ tổn hại tới quan hệ đang tốt đẹp giữa hai bên. Thứ hai, môi trường an ninh truyền thống mà Việt Nam quan tâm nhất hiện nay chính là khu vực Biển Đông. Và, mối đe dọa trực tiếp nhất đối với an ninh và chủ quyền biển đảo của Việt Nam cũng đến từ và ở Biển Đông, mà ai cũng hiểu đó là Trung Quốc. Mặc dù, không ai có thể xem nhẹ ý chí bảo vệ chủ quyền của Việt Nam, nhưng nếu so sánh lực lượng thì quả là sự bất tương xứng quá lớn. Việt Nam sẽ khó có thể tự mình chống chọi với Trung Quốc nếu có xung đột xảy ra. Vì vậy, nếu có một lực lượng hỗ trợ Việt Nam thì tại sao Việt Nam lại phản đối? Lưu ý rằng, cả Việt Nam và Úc đều chia sẻ nhận thức chung về mối đe dọa an ninh từ Trung Quốc, chỉ có điều công khai thể hiện hay không. Thứ ba là mối quan hệ mang tính chiến lược của Hà Nội với Canberra, Luân Đôn, và Washington. Hiện tại Việt Nam đang có quan hệ đối tác chiến lược với Anh và Úc. Riêng với Mỹ, tuy mới chỉ là quan hệ đối tác toàn diện, nhưng thực chất đã mang tính chiến lược. Tạm thời gác khía cạnh kinh tế sang một bên, thì có thể thấy mối quan hệ đối tác chiến lược sâu sắc với ba nước AUKUS sẽ giúp Việt Nam nâng cao được năng lực quốc phòng. Và, sự can dự của các nước này vào khu vực Biển Đông cũng sẽ gián tiếp nâng cao sức mạnh của Việt Nam chống lại Trung Quốc. Cuối cùng, đó là sự can dự của các nước lớn, nước có tiềm lực vào khu vực. Việt Nam chủ trương hoan nghênh sự can dự của các nước nhằm bảo đảm sự ổn định, an ninh ở khu vực nhất là Biển Đông. Điều này thể hiện rõ trong tuyên bố của phát ngôn viên bộ Ngoại Giao Việt Nam khi được hỏi về liên minh AUKUS và việc Úc phát triển tàu ngầm hạt nhân. Ông đã cho rằng, lý do được coi là « sự nhạy cảm » mà Việt Nam không công khai ủng hộ AUKUS là vì tránh việc Bắc Kinh cho là Hà Nội đứng về phía các nước dân chủ phương Tây. Đây cũng là việc làm nhất quán của Hà Nội với đường lối đối ngoại thực dụng và chính sách « bốn không ». Vấn đề đặt ra, thực chất chính sách này có thật sự hiệu quả cho Việt Nam, nếu như các nước dân chủ phương Tây không can thiệp vào các vấn đề tại Biển Đông, Việt Nam sẽ ứng phó thế nào trước một Trung Quốc hung hăng xâm lấn? TS. Nguyễn Hồng Hải : Sách trắng Quốc Phòng của Việt Nam 2019 cho thấy chính sách quốc phòng của Việt Nam đã chuyển từ « ba không » sang « bốn không », « một tùy » và « đồng thời, tăng cường hợp tác quốc phòng với các nước để nâng cao khả năng bảo vệ đất nước và giải quyết các thách thức an ninh chung », mà theo tôi tạm gọi là một « không bổ sung ». Nó có ý nghĩa cực kỳ quan trọng khi cho thấy chính sách quốc phòng của Việt Nam hiện nay là phù hợp và có hiệu quả ở mức độ nào đó. Nói cách khác, điều này khẳng định Việt Nam « không » hạn chế hợp tác quân sự với các nước, trong đó bao gồm cả các nước thuộc Bộ Tứ (QUAD, gồm Úc, Nhật Bản, Ấn Độ và Mỹ) và AUKUS (Anh, Úc, và Mỹ). Thông qua hợp tác « không » giới hạn với từng nước, Việt Nam đang có quan hệ chiến lược hoặc mang tính chiến lược với những nước trong các liên minh sẽ gián tiếp đưa Việt Nam trở thành một phần mà không cần phải trực tiếp tham gia các liên minh này. Như vậy, chính sách quốc phòng của Việt Nam là « 5 không » và « một tùy », trong đó tôi chia ra là « 4 không ngoại giao », « 1 không thực chất » và « 1 tùy có điều kiện ». Ngoài ra, trong thời gian qua, Việt Nam đã không ngừng tăng cường và đi vào chiều sâu hợp tác quốc phòng với các nước. Ví dụ mới nhất là các thỏa thuận với Nhật Bản về việc sẽ xuất khẩu các thiết bị quân sự và vũ khí cho Việt Nam (2020), chủ yếu là trong lĩnh vực hải quân, và hai bên tăng cường hợp tác về an ninh mạng (2021). Về giả định, « nếu như các nước dân chủ phương Tây không can thiệp vào các vấn đề tại Biển Đông », tôi cho rằng điều này chắc chắn sẽ không xảy ra. Sự trỗi dậy của Trung Quốc kèm theo đó là tham vọng và cách hành xử trong quan hệ quốc tế của họ đã thay đổi (nói theo cách các nước phương Tây nhìn nhận) đã khiến thế giới và các nước phương tây cũng thay đổi chính sách của họ với Trung Quốc. Sân chơi và sàn đấu mới trong thế kỷ 21 đã được xác lập – đó là khu vực Ấn Độ Dương – Thái Bình Dương rộng lớn, trong đó khu vực Biển Đông là trung tâm. Nên cả thế giới, đặc biệt là Mỹ, Anh và Liên Hiệp Châu Âu (EU) với tư cách là một khối, hoặc từng nước riêng lẻ trong EU như Đức và Pháp, đang dồn mắt theo dõi và điều chỉnh chiến lược của họ vào khu vực này. Vì thế, Trung Quốc sẽ không dễ dàng gì « làm vương làm tướng » và « lộng hành » ở khu vực này hay ở Biển Đông. Tuy nhiên, các nước phương Tây đừng vì lợi ích kinh tế của riêng họ mà hy sinh luật pháp quốc tế do chính họ xây dựng. Họ cần phải hiểu rằng lợi ích kinh tế chỉ là lợi ích nhỏ trước mắt và ngắn hạn, còn mất quyền tự chủ và luật lệ đã được xác lập mới là điều tệ hại dài hạn. Các nước phương Tây và chúng ta đừng ai ảo tưởng rằng, khi chế độ của Trung Quốc chuyển đổi thì họ sẽ từ bỏ tham vọng xác lập chủ quyền. Có thể nói, sự hiện diện của AUKUS có tác động tích cực đến Việt Nam và các nước trong khu vực khi liên minh này được ngầm hiểu là để chống lại sự thống trị hàng hải của Trung Quốc ở Ấn Độ - Thái Bình Dương. Vì vậy, đã có nhận định cho rằng, sự im lặng của Hà Nội không phải là một sự lựa chọn mang tính chiến lược. Từ góc nhìn cá nhân, ông nhìn nhận như thế nào ? TS. Nguyễn Hồng Hải : Nói một cách thẳng thắn và có phần thông tục rằng bạn không nên quá tin vào bất kỳ điều gì trong ngôn ngữ ngoại giao. Những gì các nhà ngoại giao nói chưa hẳn đã đúng với hành động trên thực tế họ làm đằng sau đó và không nhất thiết cái gì cũng phải nói thẳng, nói thật. Hơn nữa, trong vấn đề AUKUS và việc Úc xây dựng lực lượng tàu ngầm hạt nhân, Hà Nội đâu có im lặng. Hà Nội đã thông qua người phát ngôn bộ Ngoại Giao bày tỏ quan điểm. Ở đây, tôi đặt câu hỏi ngược lại một cách khách quan thẳng thắn thế này. Nếu Việt Nam lên tiếng phản đối, hoặc công khai ủng hộ, thì Việt Nam được lợi gì? Thứ nhất, tiếng nói phản đối có khiến AUKUS tan rã và Úc từ bỏ xây dựng lực lượng tàu ngầm hạt nhân khi mà điều này đã được khẳng định trong thỏa thuận AUKUS hay không ? Hãy lấy trường hợp của Indonesia và Malaysia làm ví dụ. Ở đây, tôi lưu ý rằng ngôn ngữ của hai nước này chỉ dừng lại ở bày tỏ quan ngại, chứ không phải phản đối hay lên án. Không nên hiểu nhầm và suy diễn sai ngôn ngữ của họ. Thứ hai, lên tiếng ủng hộ thì Việt Nam có được các nước AUKUS hoan nghênh và được chia sẻ hay hỗ trợ về công nghệ tàu ngầm hay không? Từ xưa đến nay, ít nhất là từ khi Việt Nam thực hiện chính sách đổi mới, triển khai chính sách đa dạng hóa và đa phương hóa quan hệ quốc tế, Hà Nội chưa bao giờ lên tiếng ủng hộ hay phản đối công khai một liên minh nào. Hơn nữa, nếu bày tỏ ủng hộ cũng đồng nghĩa Hà Nội đã gián tiếp phá vỡ chính sách « không liên minh » của mình. Thay vì nghĩ việc Hà Nội im lặng« không phải là một sự lựa chọn mang tính chiến lược » thì có thể cho rằng đó là lựa chọn mang tính chiến lược được không? Cách trả lời trung lập như vậy sẽ dễ dàng cho Hà Nội ứng xử với sự phát triển của AUKUS và việc Úc sở hữu lực lượng tàu ngầm hạt nhân, đồng thời để ngỏ cho khả năng hợp tác ứng phó với các thách thức trong tương lai nếu cần thiết – ý nghĩa của ‘1 không thực chất' và ‘1 tùy có điều kiện' ở trên là ở chỗ này. Từ một góc nhìn khác, sự hình thành AUKUS và việc Trung Quốc quân sự hóa các đảo tranh chấp, khai thác tài nguyên hàng hải đã làm gia tăng căng thẳng khu vực và kìm hãm quyền tự do hàng hải có tầm quan trọng sống còn đối với thương mại toàn cầu. Vậy nên, việc hoàn thiện Bộ Quy tắc Ứng xử ở Biển Đông (COC) và Bản Tuyên bố Ứng xử của các bên ở Biển Đông (DOC) lại càng khẩn thiết hơn bao giờ hết. Xin ông cho biết tiến trình thực hiện DOC và đàm phán COC giữa khối ASEAN và Trung Quốc tính đến thời điểm hiện tại đã có những bước tiến nào đáng kể? TS. Nguyễn Hồng Hải : Kể từ khi DOC ra đời năm 2002 cho đến nay, ở mức độ nào đó nó đã xác lập được khuôn khổ để các bên liên quan, trước hết là các bên có tranh chấp trên Biển Đông, ứng xử về tuyên bố chủ quyền của họ trên vùng biển này. Tuy nhiên, có thể nói DOC có ý nghĩa nhưng hiệu quả không đáng kể bởi vì DOC chỉ là một tuyên bố mang tính kêu gọi và khuyến nghị, chứ không mang tính ràng buộc. Chính vì thế, các bên trong ASEAN vẫn quyết tâm thúc đẩy đàm phán để đạt được một văn bản COC có tính ràng buộc và thực chất. Tuy nhiên, cho đến nay vẫn chưa có tiến triển gì hơn. Sự trì hoãn này do nhiều yếu tố, trong đó một phần vì còn nhiều bất đồng về những quy định trong dự thảo COC, một phần vì tác động của đại dịch COVID-19 khiến các cuộc họp bị hoãn; và một phần nữa là do Trung Quốc cố tình trì hoãn trong khi tiếp tục có một loạt những hành động hung hăng và bắt nạt trên Biển Đông. Những hành động của Trung Quốc đi ngược lại tinh thần của DOC. Ngày 22/11/2021 vừa qua, tại Hội nghị Thượng đỉnh Đặc biệt kỷ niệm 30 năm quan hệ đối tác, ASEAN và Trung Quốc tiếp tục khẳng định cam kết thực hiện đầy đủ và hiệu quả DOC và sự cần thiết phải duy trì, tạo môi trường thuận lợi đàm phán về COC. Và, hy vọng sớm ký một COC thực chất và hiệu quả phù hợp với luật pháp quốc tế, trong đó có UNCLOS 1982 theo thời gian đã được hai bên nhất trí. Có thể thấy, tuyên bố này không có gì mới, và cũng vẫn chỉ là những lời cam kết trên giấy tờ, còn việc khi nào tiếp tục đàm phán để tiến tới ký kết COC là một tương lai bất định. Tôi cho rằng rất khó để có thể nói về giá trị thực chất của COC, nếu không thỏa mãn hai điều kiện: đảm bảo giá trị thực thi UNCLOS 82 và lợi ích của các nước liên quan đến Biển Đông, bao gồm cả các nước bên ngoài hoặc không liên quan đến tranh chấp, phải được đảm bảo. Đây lại là hai điều cốt yếu mà Trung Quốc luôn không muốn. Thực tế, Việt Nam cũng như các thành viên khác của ASEAN đang đối mặt với tình thế « tiến thoái lưỡng nan » trong việc thể hiện sự phản ứng của mình với AUKUS. Một mặt, Việt nam cần một đồng minh để duy trì trật tự trong khu vực và các xung đột tại Biển Đông. Mặt khác, Hà Nội cần duy trì mối quan hệ với Bắc Kinh vì kinh tế. Tuy nhiên, chúng ta thử hình dung một giả định, vì một lý do hay một biến cố chính trị xã hội nào đó xảy ra, trong hoàn cảnh bắt buộc, Việt Nam sẽ phải chọn Trung Quốc hoặc Mỹ và các đồng minh dân chủ phương Tây. Theo ông, để đưa ra quyết định, Việt Nam phải dựa trên những yếu tố nào? TS. Nguyễn Hồng Hải : Tôi vẫn khẳng định lại quan điểm của tôi từ đầu và nhất quán rằng Việt Nam đã gửi đi tín hiệu rõ quan điểm của mình mà tôi cho là ủng hộ AUKUS. Còn về giả định, và câu hỏi liên quan, tôi hiểu là chị muốn nói đến biến cố chính trị trong nước dẫn đến việc Việt Nam phải chọn phe. Câu hỏi này là rất khó với bất kỳ ai muốn trả lời. Việt Nam có mối liên hệ về lịch sử, văn hóa, kinh tế và tranh chấp lãnh thổ trên thực tế còn tồn tại với Trung Quốc trên Biển Đông – đó là sự thật; có một vị trí địa chính trị-chiến lược quan trọng ở khu vực Ấn Độ Dương-Thái Bình Dương với những diễn biến đầy phức tạp trong quan hệ quốc tế; và ngày nay cũng là một phần của thế giới toàn cầu hóa và hội nhập. Vì thế, nếu có bị cuốn vào những diễn biến phức tạp ở khu vực này là điều khó tránh khỏi. Lý tưởng nhất là không phải chọn phe, bởi dù ở phe nào cũng đều bất lợi cho Việt Nam, ảnh hưởng tới việc thực hiện mục tiêu phát triển một Việt Nam hùng cường như các nhà lãnh đạo Việt Nam hiện nay nói. Đó cũng là mong muốn và khát vọng chính đáng của người dân Việt Nam sau hàng thập kỷ chiến tranh. Song, theo tôi, điều quan trọng là dù bất kỳ trong hoàn cảnh nào, yếu tố quan trọng nhất để đưa ra một quyết định đối ngoại chính là lợi ích quốc gia-dân tộc, trong đó có chủ quyền lãnh thổ, là tối thượng. Trong những năm vừa qua, quan hệ song phương Việt Nam và Úc có những điểm nổi bật nào ? TS. Nguyễn Hồng Hải : Nhìn một cách tổng thể, quan hệ Việt Nam và Úc đã trải qua những thăng trầm, song đến thời điểm này tôi cho rằng quan hệ song phương đang ở thời điểm tốt đẹp nhất kể từ khi hai nước thiết lập quan hệ ngoại giao năm 1973. Hợp tác song phương toàn diện trên tất cả các mặt, từ kinh tế, thương mại và đầu tư đến an ninh và quốc phòng, giáo dục và đào tạo. Hàng năm, hai bên vẫn tiến hành trao đổi đoàn cấp cao và lãnh đạo cấp cao hai nước đều tranh thủ gặp gỡ, tiếp xúc trong dịp dự các diễn đàn đa phương. Sự tin cậy chính trị ngày càng tăng giữa đôi bên. Năm 2019, trong chuyến thăm chính thức Việt Nam, Thủ tướng Scott Morrison đã phát biểu, quan hệ Việt Nam và Úc là mối quan hệ tình bạn thân thiết (mateship). Quan hệ thương mại hai chiều giữa Việt Nam và Úc thực sự là một điểm sáng trong quan hệ song phương, nhất là khi Úc đang tìm kiếm và đẩy mạnh đa dạng thị trường trong bối cảnh căng thẳng thương mại với Trung Quốc. Trong suốt 20 năm qua, tăng trưởng kim ngạch thương mại hai nước trung bình đạt gần 9%, là một trong những quan hệ thương mại phát triển nhanh nhất của Úc với các đối tác nước ngoài. Hai nước đang nỗ lực xây dựng và sớm ký Chiến lược Hợp tác Kinh tế Tăng cường, tạo động lực mới cho quan hệ đầu tư thương mại giữa hai bên, đặc biệt là giúp phục hồi kinh tế do tác động của COVID-19. Trong thời gian đại dịch COVID-19 diễn ra, hai nước đã có những hỗ trợ cho nhau. Ngoài ra, từ đầu năm 2021 cho đến nay, dù đại dịch diễn biến phức tạp, song lãnh đạo và quan chức cấp cao hai nước vẫn duy trì tiếp xúc và trao đổi. Đáng lưu ý là cuộc điện đàm giữa Bộ trưởng Quốc phòng Việt Nam Phan Văn Giang và Bộ trưởng Quốc phòng Úc vào tháng 11/2021 vừa qua. Theo đó, ông Peter Dutton đã cảm ơn Việt Nam ủng hộ nâng cấp quan hệ ASEAN-Úc lên thành đối tác chiến lược toàn diện, cũng như tuyên bố của Chủ tịch ASEAN sau Hội nghị cấp cao ASEAN-Úc trong bối cảnh có tiếng nói quan ngại trong ASEAN về thỏa thuận AUKUS và kế hoạch Úc sở hữu tàu ngầm hạt nhân. Đồng thời, ông xác nhận Úc sẽ tiếp tục vận chuyển Bệnh viện Dã chiến cấp 2 của Việt Nam tới Phái bộ Gìn giữ Hòa bình năm 2022 và các lực lượng những năm sắp tới nếu điều kiện cho phép. Hai bộ trưởng quốc phòng cũng đã mời nhau sang thăm chính thức mỗi nước. Hiện tại, Việt Nam và Úc đang thảo luận để tiến tới nâng cấp quan hệ thành đối tác chiến lược toàn diện vào năm 2023 nhân kỷ niệm 50 năm thiết lập quan hệ ngoại giao như trước đó thủ tướng hai nước đã thống nhất. RFI Tiếng Việt cảm ơn TS. Nguyễn Hồng Hải.

Vous êtes passionné par la création de contenus ? Vous êtes créateur de contenu et vous aimeriez pouvoir vivre de votre passion, monétiser vos contenus sans forcement recourir à la publicité et sans être à la merci des algorithmes qui peuvent vous porter aux nues, et du jour au lendemain vous rendre presqu'invisible des communautés que vous avez construites au fil du temps, follower après follower, contenus après contenus… Rappelez-vous, vous n'êtes pas chez vous sur les réseaux sociaux, vous êtes chez eux et ils peuvent du jour au lendemain changer de politique, changer les règles de leurs algorithmes, supprimer la fonctionnalité qui vous a fait roi et du même coup supprimer vos principales sources de revenus, juste en un claquement de doigt. Clap de fin pour le créateur de contenus ? Et si au lieu de jouer la carte de la pub, de la sponsorisation liée à la taille de votre audience qui pourrait s'écrouler du jour au lendemain, vous faisiez appel à vos communautés pour vivre de vos contenus ? Possible ? Complexe ? Un pari fou ? Pour comprendre ce que ça change dans le game de vivre de ses contenus sans pub et presque sans algo, l'invité du podcast est Michael Goldman le CEO et fondateur de MyMajorCompany et de Tipeeee, la plateforme de dons et financement participatif bien connue des créateurs de contenus. Si ça te dit d'écouter toutes les rencontres du matin sur les plateformes de podcasts traditionnelles, c'est ici https://smartlink.ausha.co/ledigitalpourtous Et pour garder le lien, il y a aussi la newsletter écrite avec amour et garantie sans spam. https://www.getrevue.co/profile/bonjourppc #BonjourPPC #Podcast

Host Jon Olson talks with Professor Michael Goldman from the University of Minnesota. They focus on India on this show, covering politics, economics, and defense issues. This episode originally aired on Sept. 29th 2021.

This week, host Jon Olson talks with University of Minnesota Professor Michael Goldman. They discuss the international financial institutions that led to the development of the modern global economy, as well as changes to these institutions in the current era. This episode originally aired on April 7th 2021.

Host Jon Olson talks with Professor Michael Goldman from the University of Minnesota. They focus on India on this show, covering politics, economics, and defense issues. National Security This Week airs Wednesdays at 9am. Find more great programs like this one at https://kymnradio.netand subscribe to The KYMN Radio Podcast for a mix of Northfield news, high school sports, and great music. Connect: Subscribe to The KYMN Radio Podcast Here Find the latest Northfield Area News Here Follow us on Facebook & Twitter Listen live on 95.1 FM, 1080 AM or online here

On 1 September 1951, the ANZUS Treaty was signed in San Francisco. Peter Jennings speaks to Mike Goldman, Chargé d'Affaires at the U.S. Embassy in Australia, about the importance of the US-Australia alliance and the relevance of the Treaty seventy years on. They discuss shared challenges, including climate change; what makes the alliance so enduring, and what to expect from the upcoming AUSMIN meeting in Washington DC. Guests (in order of appearance): Peter Jennings: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/peter-jennings Michael Goldman: https://au.usembassy.gov/embassy-consulates/canberra/ambassador/ Background music: "Before the countdown" by Maarten Schellekens via the FreeMusicArchive.org

Episode 6 : Rencontre avec Michael Goldman, le pionnier du financement participatif Bonjour à tous et bienvenus dans ce nouvel épisode de The Next, un podcast sur l'entrepreneuriat et la Tech Française. Dans cet épisode Michael Goldman (co-fondateur entre autre de de MyMajorCompany ou encore de Tipeee)  nous livre son parcours entrepreneurial et partage avec nous sa vision de l'internet de demain. Des succès aux échecs, il revient avec nous sur son parcours de ses débuts en tant que producteur au succès de MyMajorCompany dans un discours authentique et très inspirant. Découvrez ses conseils les plus avisés pour bien entreprendre et apprenez à ses côtés à ne plus avoir peur de vous lancer. Il nous parlera sans filtre et nous livrera son avis sur bon nombres de sujets tels que l'avenir d'internet, ses plus grosses craintes quant à ça, comment débuter et gérer les difficultés, il partagera avec nous son regard sur les entrepreneurs de demain et bien d'autres choses encore.

When you started in your recruitment career, how long did you visualize yourself doing this for? Many recruiters get into this profession because of the earning potential but don't necessarily see recruiting as a long-term career.  There's no question that recruitment is challenging. The failure rate among rookie recruiters is high and many experienced recruiters suffer from burnout. Is it possible to make recruitment a rewarding career for the long term? My special guest, Michael Goldman, is an example of someone who has enjoyed longevity and sustained success in recruitment.  Michael started his recruitment career in 1980 and founded his own firm, Strategic Associates, in 1988. Michael has built an excellent reputation as an executive recruiter in manufacturing and supply chain nationwide, in both contingency and retained basis. He is a Founding Member and former President of the Pinnacle Society. Having run a successful desk for over 40 years, and being consistently a top producer, he also speaks on, and enjoys teaching, recruiting tactics and strategies to recruiters globally. In this episode, Michael shares his passion, learning, and what makes his recruitment career a fulfilling and rewarding path. Episode Outline and Highlights [4:22] Michael's story on how he got into recruiting in the 80's. [7:54] The 3 keys to long term success and fulfilment as a recruiter [10:42] Understanding the value you bring to clients and candidates.  [17:48] How to become a "career conciliere" rather than just a "resume traffic cop" [26:22] The power question to ask your client to engage them. [29:01] Trying to convert a contingent client to a retainer: what are the best selling points? [40:00] In his 40 years in the industry, what is the biggest challenge that Michael has faced? [44:28] Michael reveals a quote he cut out of a newspaper years ago that drives him to this day. [48:13] Michael's recruitment solo practice. The 3 Keys to Long Term Success and Fulfilment as a Recruiter Successfully running his desk as a consistent top biller for 40 years, I wanted to ask Michael on what can young recruiters learn from a seasoned veteran like him. He responded, “understand what it means to bring value.” MIchael is passionate about helping recruiters develop themselves as "counseling" rather than "transactional" recruiters. He has helped a lot of recruiters, candidates, and clients as well as changed people's lives with this clear mission of bringing value. He further expanded on what this means and outlined three keys: Understanding the purpose of your business Understanding what value you could bring  Understanding how to influence people rather than “sell, sell, sell.” What It Means to Add Value What does it mean to add value as a recruiter? Michael explained, “Providing expertise, a counsel to help guide people not just on where they want to get to from point A to point Z. But how to put tools and tactics and strategies together to get to that point. We are not about just transactionally being traffic cops and sending out resumes and setting up interviews. The better among us, the most self-fulfilled among us are ones that can tap into what will help motivate people for success. It is not just on the candidate's side it is on the client's side too.” I absolutely agree with this mindset. Recruiting is indeed not about being too transactional as engaging with your stakeholders and motivating them. I believe this approach is the secret to Michael's longevity in this industry. Why Michael Does Things that Scare Him Michael shared a fantastic quote from the Founder of Southwest Airlines: “I love to do things that scare me because without fear there is no courage.”  He cut this quote out of a newspaper years ago and it's wisdom drives him to this day. This philosophy has helped Michael face challenges, adapt to changes and always stay out of his comfort zone. Do you have a favourite motivational quote you can share? Let me know in the comments below! Our Sponsors This podcast is proudly sponsored by i-intro®.  i-intro® is an end-to-end retained recruitment platform. Our technology and methodology allows recruiters to differentiate themselves from the competition, win more retained business, bigger fees and increase their billings. Be sure to mention Mark Whitby or The Resilient Recruiter for a 25% discount. Book your free, no obligation consultation here: www.recruitmentcoach.com/retained  Michael Goldman Bio and Contact Info Since 1980, both in his native New York and Austin, Texas, Michael Goldman has cultivated a respected reputation for achievement in nationwide manufacturing/supply chain executive recruitment on both a contingency and retained basis. In 1988, he founded Strategic Associates with the purpose of creating a highly specialized firm encompassing talent in the areas of supply chain, procurement, quality/regulatory affairs and operations (plant and corporate).  Clients span industries from medical devices to consumer packaged goods to industrial to high technology products–from perishable goods to durable–from food products to computers and personal communication devices to biomedical technology to capital equipment. They are from Fortune 500 and 50 to mid-sized privately-held firms.    Michael is an original Founding Member of the Pinnacle Society and, from 1991 to 1995, served two consecutive terms as its second president.  He was awarded the Honorary Lifetime Membership in recognition of both his accomplishments in recruiting and service to Pinnacle.  In addition, he has earned his CPC through the National Association of Personnel Services.    Along with continuously maintaining his consistent success as a “desk-running” recruiter for over 40 years (and currently), Michael also speaks on and teaches domestically and internationally advanced and basic recruiting tactics and strategies. He has been requested to provide grass-roots recruitment seminars and speaking engagements to American state and national organizations as well as international audiences. To date he has personally educated recruitment professionals in the US, Ireland, England and South Africa.  In addition, he has conducted webinars for state recruiting organizations and Pinnacle Society meetings and Pinnacle Panel events. Michael on LinkedIn Michael's website link People and Resources Mentioned John Schlegel on LinkedIn James Caan on LinkedIn Jeff Herzog on LinkedIn Danny Cahill on LinkedIn Paul Hickey on LinkedIn The E-Myth by Michael Gerber Joel Slenning on LinkedIn Pinnacle Society website link Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Related Podcast You Might Enjoy TRR#65 Recruiting Success: How to Bill $700k+ While Achieving Work-Life Balance, With John Schlegel TRR#53 How to Scale Your Staffing & Recruiting Firm to $16,000,000, With Joel Slenning TRR#71 How to Build a Successful Executive Search Business While Running Your Own Desk, with Jeff Herzog TRR#81 James Caan on the 10 Characteristics of Highly Successful Recruitment Entrepreneurs   Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter

The pandemic obviously has had an impact on real estate. In part 1 of our series, The Language of Business looks at who's winning and losing in Washington DC...and when will we see a comeback? A year ago Host Greg Stoller talked with Michael Goldman, President of MGA Commercial Real Estate Advising about the state of commercial real estate in DC. Now we check back with him on signs of a comeback. Plus, MGA Managing Director Benjamin Smith sees traffic jams as a sign of better things to come. Host Greg Stoller Michael Goldman Benjamin Smith   Support for The Language of Business is from

This week, host Jon Olson talks with University of Minnesota Professor Michael Goldman. They discuss the international financial institutions that led to the development of the modern global economy, as well as changes to these institutions in the current era.

This week, host Jon Olson talks with University of Minnesota Professor Michael Goldman. They discuss the international financial institutions that led to the development of the modern global economy, as well as changes to these institutions in the current era.

The United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney and the Perth USAsia Centre at The University of Western Australia hosted a conference for the launch of their joint publication, “State of the United States: An evolving alliance agenda”. The topic for session three of the conference was "Transforming the alliance for collective defence challenges." Speakers included Greg Moriarty, Secretary of the Department of Defence, Michael Goldman, Charge d’Affaires of the US Embassy Canberra, Dr Huong Le Thu, Senior Analyst at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, and Ashley Townshend, Director of Foreign Policy and Defence at the United States Studies Centre. The session was moderated by Brendan Thomas-Noone, Foreign Policy and Defence Program Research Fellow at the United States Studies Centre.

Salgın Sonrası İçin Ekolojik Manifestolar COVID-19 salgınını izleyen dönemi ekoloji perspektifinden tartışan 12 manifestoyu bir araya getiriyor. Şehirleşmeye odaklanan bu manifestoyu Michael Goldman kaleme aldı.

This time we revisit the Cirque du Fou release event for the Tête de Veau issue from December 5, 2015. Recorded live at Sonelab, we have readings from contributors Stephanie Baird, Ernest Brute, Jefferson Navicki, Michael Goldman, Eleanor Lane, Gerald Yelle and Richard Wayne Horton. Plus our lovely musical guests The Fawns and Easthampton Savings Band, who ROCKED that night. Check out Stephanie's works at sephanienbairdlmhc.wordpress.com, too. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/meatforteacast/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/meatforteacast/support

Thomas Balga, PA-C and Dr. Michael Goldman interview Dr. Christie Bruno on neonatal resuscitation with a focus on drying, stimulation and warmth immediately after delivery. Dr. Bruno reviews how to recognize the neonate who requires resuscitation and emphasizes the role of effective positive pressure ventilation. Dr. Bruno also shares some of the common pitfalls of neonatal resuscitation after precipitous delivery.

In which we have a great conversation with translator, poet, author and musician Michael Goldman and illustrator, designer and musician James Steinberg. And we are treated to three great pieces from the jazz sextet Now's The Time, of which they are both members. Now's the time to listen to this latest and fresh episode. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/meatforteacast/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/meatforteacast/support

Rabbi Michael Goldman is the Director Emeritus of Seivah, a non-profit organization whose work and mission is to create better emotional and spiritual lives for people with dementia and their care partners. Rabbi Goldman began rabbinical school the year his grandmother, who had vascular dementia, died. Observing how she became less attached to worrying and more attached to nature, great grandchildren, and other things that she loved, Rabbi Goldman concluded that having dementia does not preclude having a spiritual life. A Memory Minyan is a meditative, melodic, joyous Sabbath service, followed by a traditional meal.  It is tailored to a minyan – group – of people with dementia and their loved ones, joined by a group of volunteers. “Prayer and music is just something that is best community experienced and that's part of the mission and work of my organization. It's hard for me to conceive of a definition of spirituality without that communal aspect,” Rabbi Goldman said. Don't forget to subscribe, download, and review to share your thoughts about the show! To find out more about Bobbi and Mike or the inspiration behind this podcast, Rodger That, head over to rodgerthat.show.

Ep. 89 Political Consultant Michael Goldman is the guest. Ed Lucey hosts.

The eighteenth episode of the Meat For Teacast. We again return to recordings from the Meat For Tea Cirques. This episode features recordings from Le Cirque de la Bete de Givre on Saturday, June 2, 2018, an event celebrating the release of the “Lotus Blossom” issue of Meat for Tea. Recorded live at Sonelab in Easthampton, MA. We have spoken word by Elizabeth MacDuffie (reading a work by Eliza Strauss Jenkins), Michael Goldman, Gerald Yelle, Theo Greenblatt, Richard Horton and Peter Urkowitz, with great music from Frost Heaves and Hales and Beasthampton. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/meatforteacast/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/meatforteacast/support

Michael Goldman was one of our 1st Podcast Guest nearly 5 years ago.  He is the best-selling author of Performance Breakthrough and  his newest release Breakthrough Leadership Team. He is also a nationally recognized speaker and leadership team coach.  In this podcast we discuss leadership in all aspects of life particularly business. We highly encourage you to listen to the podcast and check these books out. .fusion-fullwidth.fusion-builder-row-73 a:not(.fusion-button):not(.fusion-builder-module-control):not(.fusion-social-network-icon):not(.fb-icon-element):not(.fusion-countdown-link):not(.fusion-rollover-link):not(.fusion-rollover-gallery):not(.fusion-button-bar):not(.add_to_cart_button):not(.show_details_button):not(.product_type_external):not(.fusion-quick-view):not(.fusion-rollover-title-link):not(.fusion-breadcrumb-link) , .fusion-fullwidth.fusion-builder-row-73 a:not(.fusion-button):not(.fusion-builder-module-control):not(.fusion-social-network-icon):not(.fb-icon-element):not(.fusion-countdown-link):not(.fusion-rollover-link):not(.fusion-rollover-gallery):not(.fusion-button-bar):not(.add_to_cart_button):not(.show_details_button):not(.product_type_external):not(.fusion-quick-view):not(.fusion-rollover-title-link):not(.fusion-breadcrumb-link):before, .fusion-fullwidth.fusion-builder-row-73 a:not(.fusion-button):not(.fusion-builder-module-control):not(.fusion-social-network-icon):not(.fb-icon-element):not(.fusion-countdown-link):not(.fusion-rollover-link):not(.fusion-rollover-gallery):not(.fusion-button-bar):not(.add_to_cart_button):not(.show_details_button):not(.product_type_external):not(.fusion-quick-view):not(.fusion-rollover-title-link):not(.fusion-breadcrumb-link):after {color: #0b5a9b;}.fusion-fullwidth.fusion-builder-row-73 a:not(.fusion-button):not(.fusion-builder-module-control):not(.fusion-social-network-icon):not(.fb-icon-element):not(.fusion-countdown-link):not(.fusion-rollover-link):not(.fusion-rollover-gallery):not(.fusion-button-bar):not(.add_to_cart_button):not(.show_details_button):not(.product_type_external):not(.fusion-quick-view):not(.fusion-rollover-title-link):not(.fusion-breadcrumb-link):hover, .fusion-fullwidth.fusion-builder-row-73 a:not(.fusion-button):not(.fusion-builder-module-control):not(.fusion-social-network-icon):not(.fb-icon-element):not(.fusion-countdown-link):not(.fusion-rollover-link):not(.fusion-rollover-gallery):not(.fusion-button-bar):not(.add_to_cart_button):not(.show_details_button):not(.product_type_external):not(.fusion-quick-view):not(.fusion-rollover-title-link):not(.fusion-breadcrumb-link):hover:before, .fusion-fullwidth.fusion-builder-row-73 a:not(.fusion-button):not(.fusion-builder-module-control):not(.fusion-social-network-icon):not(.fb-icon-element):not(.fusion-countdown-link):not(.fusion-rollover-link):not(.fusion-rollover-gallery):not(.fusion-button-bar):not(.add_to_cart_button):not(.show_details_button):not(.product_type_external):not(.fusion-quick-view):not(.fusion-rollover-title-link):not(.fusion-breadcrumb-link):hover:after {color: #f04900;}.fusion-fullwidth.fusion-builder-row-73 .pagination a.inactive:hover, .fusion-fullwidth.fusion-builder-row-73 .fusion-filters .fusion-filter.fusion-active a {border-color: #f04900;}.fusion-fullwidth.fusion-builder-row-73 .pagination .current {border-color: #f04900; background-color: #f04900;}.fusion-fullwidth.fusion-builder-row-73 .fusion-filters .fusion-filter.fusion-active a, .fusion-fullwidth.fusion-builder-row-73 .fusion-date-and-formats .fusion-format-box, .fusion-fullwidth.fusion-builder-row-73 .fusion-popover, .fusion-fullwidth.fusion-builder-row-73 .tooltip-shortcode {color: #f04900;}#main .fusion-fullwidth.fusion-builder-row-73 .post .blog-shortcode-post-title a:hover {color: #f04900;}Our Supplement of the Month is BYWGs Magnesium Glycinate Magnesium is one of the most common deficiencies in current research and is a critical part of over 200 processes in the human body.

The fifteenth episode of the Meat For Teacast. Another return to recordings from the Meat For Tea Cirques. This episode features recordings from Cirque du Fleurs on Saturday, June 6, 2015. Recorded live at Sonelab in Easthampton, MA. We have spoken word by Elizabeth MacDuffie (reading a work by Michael Meyerhofer), Richard Wayne Horton, Michael Goldman, Jonathan Caws-Elwitt, Lea Banks, and Connolly Ryan, and some songs from Mystics Anonymous and The Claudia Malibu. ((Note, I mention The Black Voices Collective in the podcast - it is actually the Black Visions Collective. Sincere apologies. -Mark)) --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/meatforteacast/message

Ep. 79 - Michael Goldman, Consultant from Goldman Associates, is the guest. Ed Lucey hosts.

Ep. 72 Political consultant Michael Goldman of O’Neil/Goldman Group is the guest. Ed Lucey hosts.

This week, Team Mousetalgia says "Hakuna Matata" and leaps into the world of the newest iteration of The Lion King. First, we welcome Michael Goldman, author of "The Art and Making of The Lion King," to the show to share some of the insight and secrets he discovered while researching his just-released book. We discuss the power of the storytelling, the incredible technology, and the redesigned characters in this groundbreaking film. Then, Jeff and Kristen review the film, discussing what worked well, what might not have worked as well, and the critical response to the film. Also - Kristen gets excited about Marvel's new slate; Dave shares family memories, and Jeff looks back at how Disneyland celebrated the first man on the moon in 1969.

Many entrepreneurs and small business owners look for ways to bring their business to the next level.  So how can they get to that level?  By building an "A" team!  In this episode of Mind the Business, Michael Goldman - author of "Performance Breakthrough:  The Four Secrets of Passionate Organizations" - shares tips on building a team of high performance individuals to help your business get to the next level.  

We are back ditches (see what we did there?) with an amazing Dead Dad's Club! Hear about Michael's father being a private person all the way to the end and how Hollywood mourned the loss of an amazing part of their industry. Michael get's teary eyed about the love he has for his father and Renee and Lindsay confirm that an attractive man about to cry for the love of his father is extra hot. Listen and mourn with the 2nd installment of Season 3's DDC

Michael Goldman is a councilperson for Sunnyvale City Council. We recently had an extensive conversation about affordable housing at a Denny's after a council meeting, and are extended it onto the airwaves. It certainly seems that we disagree fundamentally about everything, but after we share ideas, what can we learn? Plenty of talk about urban economics and land markets.

Exhausted, brain dead, and barely functional, we staggered into episode 246 and then were instantly energized as we started talking about Penguicon and the upcoming Motor City Comic Con with ourselves and our guests: Rob Paulsen is an extremely talented voice actor, originally from Detroit. Huge fan of Detroit but now lives in LA. Famous for Animaniacs, Pinky and the Brain, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, lots of Disney and Nick shows. He will call you and has the studio number. Robert Pope – comic book artist, Looney Tunes, Peanuts gang. Garret Wang – Harry Kim on “Star Trek: Voyager” Steve Lieber – Whiteout (graphic novel made into a movie); Superior Foes of Spider-Man; The Fix at Image Comics. Motor City Comic Con is Michigan's largest pop-culture event gathering people of all ages, young to adult This year's 29th annual event will feature more than 250 media and comic guests Some top media guests include Val Kilmer (Batman Forever), Lucy Lawless (Xena: Warrior Princess), Stephen Amell (Arrow),  Wallace Shawn (Princess Bride), Jenna Elfman (Dharma and Greg), Kate Flannery and Oscar Nunez (The Office) and Cress Williams (Black Lightning). Celebrating the 40th anniversary of Superman, the movie, Margot Kidder (aka Lois Lane!) will be in town with other cast members. In addition, Tom Welling, who played Clark Kent in Smallville, will be here too. More than 55,000 guests are expected to attend this year Attendees can meet the writers who created their favorite comics, the illustrators who drew their favorite characters and the actors who brought them to life Motor City Comic Con will also have a variety of pop-culture merchandise available for purchase   Event information: Motor City Comic Con takes place at the Suburban Collection Showplace in Novi: Friday, May 18 (12:30 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.) Saturday, May 19 (10:30 a.m. to 7:00 p.m.) Sunday, May 20 (10:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.) Event tickets can be purchased by visiting www.motorcitycomiccon.com.    For details about this year's celebrity guest panel schedule, visit the MCCC website Follow MCCC on Facebook (Motor City Comic Con) and on Twitter (@MotCityComicCon)   Fun facts about Motor City Comic Con: Detroit hosted the first comic con in 1964 Per capita, southeast Michigan has the largest number of comic book shops in America   A brief description regarding Motor City Comic Con history: Local business owner, Michael Goldman began his career as a comic book retailer in the 1980s and hosted the first Motor City Comic Con in 1989 at the Dearborn Civic Center. Motor City Comic Con has continued to grow larger every year, leading to its existence at the Suburban Collection Showplace in Novi where the event had a record-breaking attendance of 55,000+ in 2016. Goldman is also the owner of Motor City Comics, located in Farmington Hills. Motor City Comic Con gives attendees the chance to meet many of the media guests and the chance to buy autographs and merchandise such as: comics, toys, art, movie memorabilia, posters and apparel. IT in the D On the web: http://www.ITinTheD.com On Meetup: http://www.meetup.com/ITintheD/ On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/IT-in-D-91763 On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/ITintheD On Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/ITintheD Podcast Detroit is at: On the web: http://www.podcastdetroit.com/ On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PodcastDetroit On Twitter: https://twitter.com/PodcastDetroit On Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/podcastdetroit

Ep.15 Michael Goldman, political consultant and president of Goldman Associates, is the guest. Ed Lucey hosts.

In this episode, I am excited to have spoken to Nicole Sandoz, Lauren Dubin, and Michael Goldman: 3 amazing lawyers from Georgetown Law School. Lauren Dubin is Director of Public Sector Careers in the Office of Public Interest and Community Service and an administrator and facilitator for the Lawyers in Balance: Mindfulness for Law Students Program.  Lauren graduated from the University of MD with an M.A. in Counseling, Higher Education and Career Development. She is dedicated to bringing the lessons of mindfulness to the Law Center community through ongoing meditation opportunities, continuing education and enhanced awareness of contemplative practice in professional development. Nicole Sandoz is the Director of Student Life and Sexual Assault and Relationship Violence Liaison (SARVL) at Georgetown Law.  She is also a facilitator in the Lawyers in Balance: Mindfulness for Law Students Program.  Nicole is a graduate of Amherst College and Cornell Law. After law school, Nicole practiced for five years as a labor and employment attorney in Los Angeles in top-tier law firms.  While in private practice, Nicole discovered meditation and yoga, and they have since become a regular part of her everyday practice.  Michael Goldman, a Georgetown University Law Center graduate and a lawyer in a previous career, has been the Jewish Chaplain for the Law and Medical Centers since August 2002. He has been a student of Judaism for most his adult life and has taught numerous courses on Judaica, including courses at Georgetown. Prior to his involvement in LIB, Michael facilitated groups at the Georgetown Medical Center in their mind-body seminar. Based on that experience, Michael worked with administrators at the Georgetown Law to adapt the mind-body course for law students. In this regard, Michael has studied the works of Jon Kabat Zinn and Thich Nhat Hanh, among others, on the subject of mindfulness. He attended and presented at the June 2013 Workshop on Mindfulness in Legal Education at Berkeley Law.   Topics Covered What led each of them down the path of mindfulness as lawyers, the inception of the program from Michael's background at the Medical School, and how the course is structured. The students feedback to the program and the benefits that they receive; from stress and anxiety reduction to skills that help them ultimately become better lawyers, like attentive and active listening and better focus in their courses. How this grass-roots program became all it's own over the years and how they train their facilitators. They also speak on tips for big law firms on implementing programs similar to theirs. The other applications of meditation and mindfulness at the law center and how the students founded The Contemplative Law Society to expand their reach to the community at large. You can learn more about them and their awesome work at: Lawyers in Balance   Questions? Comments? Email Jeena! hello@jeenacho.com. You can also connect with Jeena on Twitter: @Jeena_Cho For more information, visit: jeenacho.com Order The Anxious Lawyer book — Available in hardcover, Kindle and Audible Find Your Ease: Retreat for Lawyers I'm creating a retreat that will provide a perfect gift of relaxation and rejuvenation with an intimate group of lawyers. Interested? Please complete this form: https://jeena3.typeform.com/to/VXfIXq MINDFUL PAUSE: Bite-Sized Practices for Cultivating More Joy and Focus 5-week program. Spend just 6 minutes every day to practice mindfulness and meditation. Decrease stress/anxiety, increase focus and concentration. Interested? Please complete this form: https://jeena3.typeform.com/to/gLlo7b Sponsor: Spotlight Branding provides internet marketing services exclusively for solo & small law firms. Unlike most internet marketing firms, they do NOT focus on SEO. Instead, they specialize in branding their clients as trusted, credible experts, increasing referrals, and ultimately driving growth. For our listeners, Spotlight Branding is offering a complimentary website review. Go to: SpotlightBranding.com/trl Transcript Intro: [00:00:02] Today's show is sponsored by Spotlight Branding. Spotlight Branding works exclusively with solo and small law firms to brand them as trusted, credible experts and help them stand out in a crowded market place. Their services include web design, social media, video marketing and more. Michael Goldman: [00:00:25] I think there are so many times where you're engaged in an issue, you join the issue, you're wrestling over the issue. And it can go sideways, as you indicated, but the ability to step back a little bit and say, wait a second, what if I concede this? Intro: [00:00:44] Welcome to The Resilient Lawyer podcast. In this podcast, we have meaningful, in-depth conversations with lawyers, entrepreneurs and change agents. We offer tools and strategies for creating a more joyful and satisfying life. And now your host, Jeena Cho. Jeena Cho: [00:01:10] Hello my friends. Thanks for being here with me today. In this episode, I am so delighted to have three amazing people from Georgetown Law School. I have Nicole Sandoz, Director of Student Life and Sexual Assault and Relationship Violence Liaison. I have Lauren Dubin, Director of Public Sector Careers in the Office of Public Interest and Community Service. And finally, Michael Goldman, Chaplain of Georgetown Law and Medical School. All three of them are part of the Lawyers and Balance: Mindfulness Meditation Program at the law school. I'm really excited to see that law schools are actually making student well-being part of their priority. Jeena Cho: [00:01:51] Before we get into the interview, if you haven't heard the last episode, please go back and check it out. I shared a six minute guided meditation practice to help you let go of stress and anxiety. It's also very apt because we'll be talking about mindfulness and meditation in this episode. So often I hear lawyers complain that they know they should meditate, but they don't have the time. And so I created a program Mindful Pause, which is designed to help you incorporate mindfulness and meditation into your very busy schedule in six minutes or less. So if you're interested in learning more, please head on over to jeenacho.com to learn more. [00:02:30] And with that, here's Nicole, Lauren and Michael. Thanks to all three of you for being here with me today. Nicole Sandoz: [00:02:37] Thank you. We're excited. Jeena Cho: [00:02:41] So starting with Lauren, maybe we can just have you do a short 30 second introduction to who you are and what you do at the law school. Lauren Dubin: [00:02:49] Yeah sure, so I am part of an office that we affectionately call The Office of Public Interest and Community Service. It's a freestanding center that provides support to students at the Law Center that are interested in pursuing public service careers. And we run educational programs, provide advising, all sorts of different supportive initiatives, as well as run job fairs and just offer students opportunities to join the public sector. Jeena Cho: [00:03:20] Wonderful. How about you, Michael? Michael Goldman: [00:03:23] I am a graduate of Georgetown Law School and had a career practicing law. I mainly worked in employment law with particular emphasis in equal employment opportunity. After that, I came back to Georgetown Law as the Chaplain here. And we have a large, pretty significant campus ministry office here, as well as on the main campus. What we do is we counsel students in a whole variety of ways. Jeena Cho: [00:03:56] But I have to know more about this, how did you end up going from practicing law to becoming a chaplain? Michael Goldman: [00:04:03] My short answer is, they taught me to be an advocate at Georgetown Law and I talked my way into the job. Actually, I became very interested in my Judaism shortly after I graduated from Georgetown Law and am somewhat self-taught. And I've studied in many groups and I've taught in many contexts as well. So based on those credentials and experience, I was able to talk my way into the job. Jeena Cho: [00:04:35] I love hearing transition stories, and I feel like life is just a series of different transitions. I love that story. Nicole, last but not least. Nicole Sandoz: [00:04:46] Yeah, so I am also a former attorney. I practiced in Los Angeles for five years in two large law firms. I left to go be the Director of Career Services at Cornell for three years, and now I'm the Director of Student Life at Georgetown. I've been here for a couple years. In my job, I am responsible for co-curricular experience at Georgetown, including student orgs, the Student Bar Association, as well as any other thing that students do outside the classroom. Jeena Cho: [00:05:17] Wonderful. Before we get into the mindfulness program at the law school, I'm kind of curious to just hear from each of you what led you on this path to mindfulness and meditation. Because I often find that people end up practicing mindfulness and meditation (and it was certainly true for me) because there is some personal reason behind it. So I'm curious if you'd be willing to share and maybe Michael, we can start with you? Michael Goldman: [00:05:45] I'm happy to do that. As I said, I practiced law for many years. I was exposed to mindfulness at the medical school. Shortly after I arrived as the chaplain, and essentially I wanted to hit my head against the wall and say, oh if I only knew then. [00:06:06] Because you know, law was a steady diet of stress and conflict and challenge. And I thought wow; this would have been something that would have given me a strategy, maybe even an antidote for what I had experienced. So I felt it really had to come to the law students. Jeena Cho: [00:06:27] Yeah, it's so true. There is so many parts of practicing mindfulness and meditation where I go, yeah this would've been really helpful in law school. So I'm so glad that you guys are teaching it to the students. Nicole, how about you? Nicole Sandoz: [00:06:41] Yeah, so when I was practicing I found myself in the exact same position of a lot of stress, not being very happy in the job that I was in. And so I took a three month leave of absence. And during that three months of absence, my therapist introduced me to mindfulness and meditation as a way to deal with my anxiety and stress and some of the medication that I had started to be on, and she thought that this would be a good alternative, and it worked. And so I started doing it. I like to say that I practice once a week, I try really hard to do that. But this program at Georgetown has really re-inspired me about mindfulness and meditation and making it part of your daily life. Jeena Cho: [00:07:23] Yeah, how about you Lauren? Lauren Dubin: [00:07:23] So mine is a bit less self-initiated. Truthfully, Michael tapped me on the shoulder one day out in our atrium and said, "We're about to start a mindfulness program at the Law Center, would you be interested in participating?" And I had great respect for Michael and I was flattered and I thought, well I'm not sure what that is but yeah, I'm in. I've always been a seeker, so I did know what it was but I just didn't have the labels or the language at the time. And then immersed myself in this work and this philosophy in the subsequent eight years, now I can say that I'm still seeking. But I have you know, much more of our practice than I did eight years ago. Jeena Cho: [00:08:07] That's wonderful. So Michael, please tell me about the history of the program. Michael Goldman: [00:08:12] Well I gave you a little bit of the personal history. As I indicated, I am the Chaplain at the medical school, so I learned about things going on there and I was introduced to their Mind Body course there. And even before this started, I said to the woman who ran it, "We have to bring this to the law school. You have to let me take this to the law school." Anyhow, we went through it. It was kind of modeled on MBSR, a mindfulness-based stress reduction course, and I was even more convinced. I brought it here and it was not an easy sell, I have to tell you. It took about a year from people, "You want to do what?" But any event, the Dean of the law school finally came around and said you know what, that sounds like a good idea. And we have been putting on a few sessions, seminars every semester ever since. This was I think, 10 years ago Lauren was telling me. Interestingly, of course it's for the students, but also the staff was very interested in this as well. As a matter of fact, we had several faculty who participated as well. As you would guess, the students loved it. I mean we have the feedback sheets and they're really terrific. I've hesitated to quote them to professors because we do get very good reviews. [00:09:50] And I should also say that out of this, some very close groups were formed. Those people who took the mindfulness or Lawyers and Balance course together became friends, stayed friends through law school, and are still friends. Five, seven, eight years later they're close friends. So that's one of the nice bi-products of this, is that we create little communities as well as teaching mindfulness techniques. Jeena Cho: [00:10:18] I'm curious, what were some of the objections when you first tried to bring mindfulness into the law school? Michael Goldman: [00:10:25] I would say to sum it up, it's touchy-feely, and I remember from my days practicing law that was pretty much the ultimate stigma. And I never was particularly persuaded by that. I think another objection is, how is this academically rigorous, how do we document what you're doing? Do you have a syllabus, do you have a full curriculum? [00:10:54] And you know we didn't we didn't fit in to that mold, that is usually considered for law school. So I think that was definitely part of it. You know, let me rewind why it happened because I think your point is interesting. The then Dean had a daughter who was at the medical school and she took the Mind-Body course there. And then I got a wonderful advocate. Jeena Cho: [00:11:31] I love that, yeah I mean teaching mindfulness or learning about mindfulness is certainly very different from the Socratic method. As I understand it, law schools are kind of starting to shift away from it, I don't know if that's actually true but at least that's what I heard. Lauren Dubin: [00:11:45] Eight years ago was a very different era here, nine years ago actually. Now we have more of a wellness community or a wellness movement on campus, the students don't obtain credit for this though, we really haven't reached that level. But the university absolutely embraces this now, with there is much more support and it's on the admissions page. Students will articulate to us that one of the reasons they came to Georgetown is because we have this work, this program, so it's definitely a different era. Jeena Cho: [00:12:19] Well that's interesting, that it's a retention or attraction in a sense. I think some law firms are starting to offer some sort of wellness or well-being kind of committees or whatever to kind of try to attract talent. So yeah. Well I guess speaking of not knowing what the curriculum is and having people be like, this is really touchy-feely, I'm curious to learn what you guys actually teach? How is the course structured, how long is it, how many students enroll? Lauren Dubin: [00:12:52] So as Michael said, we inherited a curriculum, the program from the Mind-Body course over at the med school. And for the first couple of years, we pretty much followed it, with a little less of the science because our students weren't necessarily as interested in the science. But for the most part, what we inherited was a program that offers two hour sessions, one per week for eight weeks. Each session has two facilitators, trained facilitators, and typically has around 8 to 12 students per group. We invite one L's, LL's, LLL's, and LLM's to participate. And the curriculum, basically the sort of structure or outline of it is that each session begins with an opening meditation, just sort of calm yourself and leave the stressors of the classroom at the door. And then do what we call a "check in," a technique which is really a reflection technique, just to give students an opportunity to sort of begin to inculcate the notion of mindfulness as a, what am I feeling right now? What is it literally in this moment that is coming up for me? That might be animated through that opening meditation, it might be animated just by the question or the prompt. So students go around and share that with one another. [00:14:15] We then dive into that week's technique, and the techniques span eating meditation, guided imagery, journaling, stress re-frames, body scan, gratitude, all sorts of different things over the course of the eight weeks. So one of the facilitators will lead the students and the other facilitator in that meditation technique, which is a little bit longer. And then we typically will go around and have another reflection opportunity. And at that point, students are given the opportunity to just talk about how that meditation did or didn't work for them. And anything else that comes up. So we will often include a prompt that will say, how is it that you will carry this out into your week? Or tell us about a particularly mindful moment that you might have had this week. We try to build that as the semester goes on, because the concept of mindfulness, the concept of non-judgment is not something that you get right away. You have to begin to sort of taste it, touch it, and then eventually it starts to really click. [00:15:25] And one of the things that we hope to accomplish through this curriculum is that students also become much more mindful listeners. It's not just their own mindfulness, their own self-awareness, but it's something that they'll carry out into practice, something that they'll carry out into my life. So one of our ground rules is that when someone else is reflecting, all eyes on that person. You are focused and really present with that person. No cross-talk, hopefully no need to jump in and you know evaluate or to critique. But to really give that student the opportunity to express themselves. And then next person has their opportunity. But we frequently reinforce this notion that you're listening to that person and you're with that person. So it builds community, friendships, strong ties. Not to mention, they take it out with them. We give homework each week and we say, eat a meal mindfully, take a mindful walk without the phone, without the iPod. And then they come back and will share with us how that felt during the week. Jeena Cho: [00:16:38] Oh I love that. Yeah and it's so true, like you can learn something. I had this experience recently where I was like super angry about something, and I can just see that I'm just having a reaction and I was really angry. But I still couldn't sort of shake myself from feeling that anger. And it's so frustrating because it's like, I recognize why I'm feeling angry and I just feel like I should be able to get over it. [00:17:01] But I was still having that reaction so I just had to be like, well alright I'm just going to hold this moment kindly. But yeah, it's really kind of that re-learning the tool sort of over and over and over again. So yeah, I love that you guys give them homework. It really sounds basically like the MBSR course, which is a wonderful, wonderful program. Lauren Dubin: [00:17:23] There's also great power in the sharing, because as we go around the room everyone is nodding. So whatever trigger or stressor or source of anger or frustration that anyone is feeling, everyone else is feeling their version of it. So one of my favorite parts of this work is the sort of teaching and learning that comes out of it. So it's not just, I have to go back and re-frame my reaction to the anger. But I listen to the way Michael re-framed his, and maybe I can take some of that on too. So there is real power in that sharing and we love that part of this program. We've also tweaked it over the years to make it more of our own. We now also offer a one hour version, not just a two hour version, with the thought that more students might feel that they can fit one hour into their schedule. So there's not as much reflection, but we're getting great numbers. In fact, we usually have five to seven sessions per semester. So the math, that's around 60 to 80 students that take part in Lawyers and Balance every semester. Jeena Cho: [00:18:30] Yeah I remember in law school feeling completely isolated and alone because I just felt like you know, all this stuff that I was going through, just feeling like I didn't have a place in law school and just feeling completely overwhelmed all the time. And I love that you guys are creating this space where you know, like you can actually say that and have everyone in the room nod their head. And it really breaks that sense of isolation. There is something about learning that you're not alone in your experience that really is comforting. Nicole Sandoz: [00:19:01] I just had a session two days ago with my group, and it was our last session so we sort of went around and talked about why this was beneficial or if it was beneficial. And she said that this was the place that she felt the safest, that she could talk about the things she was going through, that she had made some friends. And that coming from an international background, and coming here and being so scared, but that she found community here. And it was like music to my ears because that is exactly the space that we want to provide for them, especially in law school when it can be so stressful and so insane. Jeena Cho: [00:19:39] Yeah. Nicole, can you talk a little bit more about some of the other benefits that the students experience? Nicole Sandoz: [00:19:46] Yeah, so we hear about all the normal benefits, right? The reduction of stress, decreased anxiety, the enhancing of the self-awareness. But for law students in particular, we just find it's been such a rich environment for them to grow some of the skills that they need to be lawyers. Like Lauren mentioned, the active listening, we hear all the time that they're more present with their clients in clinic or even just in conversations with their classmates, that they have better focus in class. We all know that there is you know, solitaire being played in class or Facebook or whatever, but some of our students report that they come back and they are actually focused in class because they're using some of the techniques that they had learned in Lawyers and Balance. [00:20:28] The building community for us here at Georgetown is huge. We're such a large school, with 600 entering first-year students, that it can sometimes just feel totally overwhelming. And so we build these small groups of students who know each other, who have had this experience together. And it's one of the ways that we make such a large law school feel small. They make friends, like Michael mentioned, and they just gain a little bit of perspective about this law school experience. I had another student of mine talk about how she's been so absorbed in law school that she didn't realize that her roommate was really suffering. And it was really when she took a step back and really looked at her roommate and listened to some of the words that were coming out of her roommates mouth, that she was like, oh my gosh she's really suffering. I need to get out of this law school experience and focus on my friend. So it's just these kind of things that we hear over and over again, in fact Lauren got a really great email that she wants to share pieces of from one of our former students about the benefits. Jeena Cho: [00:21:29] Yeah, yeah. And I think that's really one of the greatest teaching that comes out of mindfulness and meditation, is just that empathy and having compassion toward someone that's suffering. And sometimes it can be like, well we're lawyers, like we shouldn't have that. But I mean, that's the core of what we do. Like we are in the suffering business. Like clients never come to us with happy news. [00:21:53] I always thought that it was always really weird that we're in this environment where people are constantly coming to us with the most heartbreaking news, but yet we don't actually have any tools for how to deal and process all the suffering of our clients. I do consumer bankruptcy, no one ever comes to see me with happy news, I hear heart-breaking stories. And I just didn't have any tools and what ended up happening was that I went through burnout. I remember thinking, I'm such a failure as a lawyer because I went through burnout, not recognizing that I just needed some additional tools. So again, I'm just so grateful to you guys for doing this. [00:22:32] So yeah Lauren, I'd love to hear some of what the student wrote in the email. Lauren Dubin: [00:22:36] I'm not going to read the whole thing obviously, but her words are just really powerful and I cherish this. So this was about three years after she graduated and took LIB. And she wrote to myself and my co-facilitator: [00:22:51] "I just want to say thank you again for a great LIB experience. Thanks to you both, I continue to meditate at least once a week, often more. It's a great stress reliever. But more than anything, the seminar made me gain a much more balanced perspective on the big and little things in my life. And the seminar has without a doubt made me a better lawyer. I'm able to examine arguments and take criticism much more easily, without getting my emotions unnecessarily involved, or taking what I perceive as my lack of perfection personally. It sounds small, but it makes a huge difference in my work and my day-to-day life. Your seminar also made me realize that mindfulness and perspective are so crucial to the things that make us succeed in life. Those qualities I think are a prerequisite to character traits like determination, self-motivation, empathy, and self-control, that are keys to being a good student, lawyer, and life partner. As my husband and I think about having kids, those are definitely the types of values we want to instill in them. I wish, along with math and reading, I had taken mindfulness when I was growing up." Jeena Cho: [00:24:06] Beautiful, yeah I got slightly teary-eyed hearing, just beautiful. [00:24:14] Getting a new website design can be a huge pain. But what if I told you that building a new website for your law firm didn't have to suck? My friends at Spotlight Branding pride themselves on their responsiveness, on great communication and on delivering results for their clients. And Spotlight Branding doesn't lock their clients into long-term contracts. In fact, they offer a no risk, money-back guarantee on their work, so that you can have total peace of mind while you work with them. Spotlight Branding will help you stand out from the competition, drive more referrals, and ultimately achieve the growth you're looking for. Their team is currently offering a special, complementary website review for our listeners. Visit spotlightbranding.com/trl to learn more. Jeena Cho: [00:25:09] So Lauren I'm curious, can you tell me about how the facilitators are trained? Lauren Dubin: [00:25:15] Yeah, sure. So as I had said earlier, we've sort of evolved and made the program more of our own over the years. But in the early years, Michael would tap people on the shoulder and say, "Hey, do you want to be part of this thing?" So there was sort of a core group of five of us, and we went with the med school training and we joined in. And they had over 100 facilitators over there, because their program had been running for years. And we joined up and had a pretty extraordinary three day experience, this initial group of five. So every year we would send two or three more people (we had the budget for that) to the Mind-Body training. And basically the training entails going through an entire eight-week session, having the experience over the course of three days. So that you are a student, you are actually experiencing it. So it's not really the sort of training where you then are leading meditations or are writing scripts or finding scripts or administering that program at all. It's 100% go away to a beautiful retreat center and have the experience of the check in, the reflection, you know experiencing the scripts and the techniques. So for several years that's what we did. And you know, it was working, but at a certain point we kept fantasizing that we would like to have our own training. That it would just be members of the Law Center staff and community, and that we would build bonds amongst ourselves. And these are the people that were going to go on and lead the program here. [00:26:48] It's all volunteer, it's out of you know, the goodness of our hearts, it's something we believe in. But none of us are paid for this, this is in addition to our day job. So we just thought, there are other reasons for us to have our own training. So we modified that, and we've been doing it now for two summers. And each summer we were able to have around 10 additional Law Center staff members participate, and we just tweaked it. But it's the same thing; we come in. we get to know one another. we do a lot of team building. We make sure that we go somewhere beautiful and quiet and lots of nature. And we have eating meditation and walking meditation and journaling and imagery, we do all of that, all those techniques. [00:27:32] What we're trying to do now is give people the opportunity to practice also, while they're there. Because we come home, everybody's really high and invested, and you come home; to life and the laundry. And then all of a sudden it's late August or early September and suddenly we say okay go, lead a group. We try to make sure that a new facilitator is paired with a more senior facilitator so that you're not on your own the first time. We created a binder with new scripts and new process prompts and other readings and things that facilitators can use for their students. We send the team emails, sample emails and sample follow-up emails. What we try to do is after each session, is have a follow-up email to send to students with practice tips for the week. [00:28:24] Not everyone does that consistently, but we have all sorts of different things that any one group can do. There is no one way, one group will be doing walking one week and somebody else will be doing journaling. There isn't this, you have to do it in a particular sequence. So during the training, something I should have said is we select people very carefully. We select people that we think are empaths and either have a practice or absolutely someone that students will feel very comfortable with. They establish trust and rapport quickly. So we're pretty careful in choosing people that will be very engaged in this, but that students will respond well to. [00:29:05] And there will be ongoing training throughout the year, we try and meet twice a month for about an hour just to share ideas. How is your group going, try out a script with one another. Do a meditation together and a reflection, just to continue modeling it. So where everybody is busy and everybody has a lot of email and meetings to attend, but we try to just keep moving it along and always building it and thinking creatively. Jeena Cho: [00:29:35] I love hearing that sort of history of how the program came about, and just how you guys have really grown this practice from volunteers, I think it's really remarkable. [00:29:50] Nicole I know you used to be in big law, and I know one of the things that hot topics right now is how to make the workplace more humane or more friendly. And it seems like especially big laws are kind of waking up to the fact that, oh the well-being of our attorneys actually matter. I'm curious you know, since you've worked in big law, what sort of tips would you offer to a law firm that's considering implementing a program like the one that you guys have at the law school? Nicole Sandoz: [00:30:21] Yeah, I mean I think that this would be an amazing program to implement at a law firm. Especially the one hour sessions are sort of the perfect package deal, in terms of getting some of that check-in, but not..You know, I think that part of the problem with law firms is that like Michael said, nobody wants things that are too touchy-feely. Or that that there is a risk of diving deep into these emotions and then having some sort of backlash while you're working or with someone you're working with. So the one hour sessions do take back that a little bit, and focus a little bit more on the techniques. And sharing those techniques and making sure that people have tools to use while they're practicing. [00:31:03] I have been working with a friend of mine who is still in big law, and sort of ad hoc showing him some of these techniques that he can use. And he's actually really appreciated it, he started journaling, just journaling every evening. And I'm hoping that it's helping him reduce some of his stress that he was finding as he's heading towards the partnership track, and the more stress that that brings. I shared a few techniques with him, and it was the one that stuck. And that's sort of the thing that we tell our students, is try as many times as you can and then find the one or two that you can take with you. Not every technique is going to feel right, so you've got to find the one that fits for you. And then just keep using it and keep practicing it, and using it to help reduce your stress. [00:31:45] So it's been really successful I think, for my friend. And so I think a law firm could do this really easily and give their lawyers some techniques to use, but maybe without as much of the check-in, so that you don't have people who fear that it's going to have some sort of backlash in the workplace. Jeena Cho: [00:32:02] Yeah it's always a little tricky to try to implement something like this, especially in a law firm environment. Michael, did you have something that you wanted to add? [00:32:11] I've spoken to some big law lawyers or groups or whatever. And one thing I've found that is effective, and I've done this with our legal experts as well at the law school, is simply when you're in a tight situation, you're not sure how to handle it. Stop, take a couple breaths, pay attention to your breaths. Just do that instant meditation and then come back to it. And to a person they say, "Oh." They see a different option, a different approach where that is not the end of the world. So I think even that quick cure as it were, or pill if you want to call it, self-meditation does work. And if it's something that they can use, try it out. And say, "Hmmm, I think I'll do that again." And that's how you get your foot in the door as well. Jeena Cho: [00:33:13] Yeah. It's so interesting, because you hear that saying like, oh you know just take a deep breath, count to ten before you say something when you're angry. But it actually works. I found really surprising when I first started practicing mindfulness that I can be in a hearing, and just by actually really paying attention to what the judge or the opposing counsel was saying without letting my mind kind of do it what it naturally does (which is to prepare my response) but really just a listen. And then once the person is finished speaking just take a breath, kind-of collect my thoughts and then respond. I was actually able to slow down the pace of how things were moving in the courtroom. And I just found that to be so fascinating, that I'm not this helpless person standing in the courtroom and on the whim of what the judge or the opposing counsel was doing; that I actually do have some more autonomy than I initially thought. And I found that to be incredibly helpful. Michael Goldman: [00:34:10] You know many athletes do that same thing, and you used the word "slow down." I think you slow down what's going on. And most athletes will say, when things seem to slow down they can do so much better. The key is that you slow yourself down. Jeena Cho: [00:34:27] Right, exactly. And even just something really simple like just feeling the sensation of my feet as I'm standing at the podium, or just feeling my hands resting on the podium. Just something you can touch and feel and focus on, that just for a moment gets you out of that anxiety mode. Where it's like, oh my gosh what is he going to ask me next? And the question after that, and you kind of go into that spiral of thinking. [00:34:57] And of course, when things go sideways it never goes wrong in the exact same way that you had anticipated. I had a very similar story from one of the attorneys that took one of my courses. And she said, "You know I realized when I was with my kids I was never fully present to them, because I was always thinking about work or on my phone." And then of course the reverse was also true, like she would be at the office and thinking about her kids and being like, did I remember to put that book in her backpack? And she said, "I really learned just when I'm with my kid, to fully just be with her. And when I'm at work, just to be at work." And it sounds so simple, but to practice it almost requires a constant re-commitment and effort to bring yourself back to that moment, over and over and over again. It's not like you can just do it first thing in the morning and then forget about it. It's that constant reminder. [00:35:51] So what are some of the other applications of meditation and mindfulness at the law center? Nicole Sandoz: [00:35:57] Yeah, so we realized sort of as we went along that Lawyers In Balance is amazing, but we have 600 students to try to reach. And we have a limited number of facilitators, so we can really only have 78 sessions maybe, per semester. So we're just not going to hit everyone. And so we've been brainstorming and using some of these techniques to spread the message across to different students and other people at the law center. About six years ago we had a group of students who were in Lawyers in Balance who wanted to sort of keep some of the meditation going. And so they founded a new student group called The Contemplative Law Society, and they are charged with bringing some of the mindfulness and meditation techniques through the student group experience. And so that has been a nice way for the community at large, and for students to take some ownership over the teaching of some of this. [00:37:05] We also have implemented it in orientations, so we have a wellness focus as part of our orientation. And we did two meditation sessions per day, every day of orientation. And it was open for any student who wanted to come and learn a little bit more about Lawyers in Balance, but also to just take part in a meditation; to just really set the tone right at the beginning of orientation, that this is important to us and that it's something that makes Georgetown special. And we're so glad you're here, and to just give them a taste of what that would be like. [00:37:37] And we also have started a Staff in Balance program, so we realized that these great techniques can also be helping our staff and faculty. And so we have a wonderful woman in our community named Mitos, who really takes that on as a labor of love and does Staff in Balance every semester. She has a group of 12 to 15 staff members who take part and learn some of the same techniques that students are using as well. [00:38:04] Lauren and I just did a Saturday session. So we have an evening student section at Georgetown, and it's really hard to get facilitators to teach in the evenings. But also in addition to that, they class in the evening. So the timing never really works out. And so what we decided to do was to do a half-day meditation retreat on a Saturday and really advertise it to our evening students and their significant others. And we had staff and evening students and day students and just a bunch of people here on a Saturday, learning some techniques and getting some mindfulness and meditation; it was a couple Saturdays ago. And then Michael teaches in the externship course. Michael Goldman: [00:38:44] Yeah, in the past I had the opportunity to teach a couple sessions in the externship training. And I taught mindfulness, and it's in that context where I taught them and showed them how to use the breathing approach to dealing with difficult issues. In fact, even in class we would talk about difficult issues they dealt with in their externship, often with a boss who is not communicating very well. And so they would actually go through it and take a couple breaths and say, okay, so what do you think about it now? And then they thought of new ways to deal with it. And we actually had a sheet where they would actually describe what was going on, how they took the meditation, and what it looked like afterwards. And it was quite effective. [00:39:35] Actually, I got some of the ideas for that from Scott Rogers, who I assume and I take it you know. So this was something that we implemented. Jeena Cho: [00:39:45] Yeah I think it's really great that you guys are bringing mindfulness into all these different areas of the law school. Michael Goldman: [00:39:52] There is a deep-sea mindful lawyers group, they actually were involved in that half-day retreat here at the law school. The good news is now they use Georgetown Law for their monthly training or monthly retreat sessions. And so we are really aligned with them now, in fact the President of that is an alum of Georgetown Law. So we're able to combine forces. Jeena Cho: [00:40:21] Well I want to thank all three of you for joining me today, it has just been so delightful. And I love hearing about mindfulness spreading in law schools. And it's been really fun to hear about the evolution of the program. And to kind of wrap things up. Michael I'm curious, the name of this podcast is called The Resilient Lawyer. What does it mean to be I mean resilient lawyer to you? Michael Goldman: [00:40:48] To me, what I think mindfulness provides, and I'm changing the message slightly, is the ability as one of us to step back. I think there's so many times where you're engaged in an issue, you join the issue, you're wrestling over the issue. And it can go sideways, as you indicated. But the ability to step back a little bit and say, wait a second. What if I concede this? It's not going to hurt us at all, as a matter of fact it might help us. The ability to get that perspective almost instantaneously, I think is not only a great tool as a lawyer, it does give you resilience. Because it makes you realize you're not stuck in a corner, you're never stuck in a corner. You never are in an impossible situation. [00:41:42] You can see the bigger picture, and I think that's essential to resilience. That you realize you don't have to have burnout. Because you can listen with empathy to the other side. You can see their perspective, if you see their perspective you might well find a solution, a mutually beneficial solution. Same thing with a client, of course clients come in and ask for "X." And if you're able to recognize, they're not interested in "X", beating that other person out isn't going to do anybody any good. What is underneath that? I know that's interest. But I think mindfulness, resiliency allows you to see the bigger picture. And I think as a lawyer that's what we're supposed to do. Jeena Cho: [00:42:35] Yeah, I think that possibility of a different solution that you don't currently know. It's a wonderful, wonderful gift from mindfulness. Nicole, how about you? Nicole Sandoz: [00:42:47] Yeah, so this is actually a question I think about a lot. Our Dean of Students, one of his passions is creating resilient law students, and therefore creating resilient lawyers. And we think about it a lot in different ways, but a couple of the ways we think about it is taking that ticker tape that's in your head, that can be negative but positive, but just sort of that those thoughts that are running through. And stopping those thoughts and re-framing them, if needed particularly the negative thoughts, and creating a different frame for them. And using that frame to move forward when you need to. [00:43:21] It's also the time when people face a lot of different challenges and it's being able to breathe, like Michael said, take a breath, rethink this, and attack it in a different way and learn from it. I think our law students in particular struggle a lot with, you know they were all top of their undergrad class, and they get to law school and there's a lot of challenges here. It's a new way of thinking and learning, and we work really hard to try to get them to understand that this is going to be a challenge, but that part of resilience is learning from that challenge. And it's your mindset, it's not seeing this as a failure, but instead seeing this as a learning opportunity to grow. And I think mindfulness plays a huge part in that, of just taking a breath, re-framing and moving forward. Jeena Cho: [00:44:11] Lauren? Lauren Dubin: [00:44:13] I would add one additional dimension, and that is accessing compassion. This work allows lawyers, who generally feel there's really no room for softness, for vulnerability, for letting opposing counsel see you as weak then. That's crazy, we're all vulnerable and fragile and doing the best we can. So I think self and other compassion, when you can really access that and own it and hold it, just allows everyone to be more flexible, to be kinder. We're all doing a job for a purpose, and it might be opposing purpose, but we have one life, and kindness and compassion are just so vital. [00:45:12] So Michael used the term touchy-feely several times, and to me a resilient lawyer is one that embraces touchy-feely and squishy. I love the layering into our work and this message of adding compassion into this profession. I work with students as a counselor, so I have a lot of one-on-one, intimate conversations with students all day long. And so many of them express this stress over not being able to be authentic and sincere and real. And the essay they wrote for admission to law school is so different than reality or the practice. So compassion allows you to recognize that, but have compassion for it. And then hopefully, eventually be more integrated, which I think is a result. Jeena Cho: [00:46:10] Yeah. And I hope that those students can retain some of that and bring it out into the workforce. I think that our profession is just severely suffering from lack of humanity. I think about touchy-feely as just being a core of what it means to be human, to actually have emotions and feelings. It's so crazy to me to think that lawyers are supposed to be devoid of feelings and emotions, because that's the thing that drives our clients and drives us. So yeah, I think we need to make more room for all the touchy-feely. Not to say that we have to react to every single touchy-feely thing, but to just hold it kindly. Lauren Dubin: [00:46:54] So loaded, why does it have to be such a loaded term? Jeena Cho: [00:46:54] Well I want to thank all three of you for being here with me today. I'm so grateful to all of you, for all the work that you're doing. Lauren Dubin: [00:47:09] Thank you. Lauren Dubin: [00:47:10] Thanks for giving us the opportunity. Closing: [00:47:20] Thanks for joining us on The Resilient Lawyer podcast. If you enjoy the show, please tell a friend. It's really the best way to grow the show. To leave us a review on iTunes, search for The Resilient Lawyer and give us your honest feedback. It goes a long way to help with our visibility when you do that, so we really appreciate it. As always, we'd love to hear from you. E-mail us at smile@theanxiouslawyer.com. Thanks and look forward to seeing you next week.

Ten years ago, a group of San Francisco State University alumni working at Genentech got together with the Michael Goldman, the university's chairman of the biology department, to establish the school's annual Personalized Medicine Conference. This year, the conference will revisit topics from its past ten years as well as exploring the future of personalized medicine ask speakers to reflect on how personalized medicine has changed their lives. We spoke to SF State's Goldman and Dan Maher, one of the alumni who drove the creation of the conference, about the state of personalized medicine, the pace of advances, and what's surprised them most about where we are today.

This week we talked to NONA(aka Michael Goldman) about his new cover of Beyoncé's "Hold Up," why he decided to go solo after touring for years with bands like The Moth & the Flame and Goldroom, and what he would tell a 5 years ago version of himself. PLUS, at the end of the episode (1:12:40), you get to hear NONA's cover of "Hold Up!"

This week on TBASH - Psychic Andy pours a few with musician / wine steward / "Man With Opinions" - Mike Goldman. Topics include: A girl smoking crack at a wine bar, Kombucha, feeling anxious in hipster coffee joints, Malt Liquor, and much much more. This weeks shootout… Mickeys Vs Old English Shootout! find Mike Goldman here: www.thisislegitnews.com Twitter: @thisislegitnews Instagram: @thisislegitnews Twitter: @NonaTheBand Instagram: @the_el_don

IT in the D, Episode 39 We decided to go ahead and isolate the segment with Michael Goldman of Motor City Comic Con since we knew it might be of specific interest to people...

In this Expert Interview, I talk with Michael Goldman, Sleep Health Evangelist and creator of SleepGuide.com. He and I discuss important and surely controversial topics related to obstructive sleep apnea, including: - Should patients read their own data or make pressure change adjustments on their own? - How much say should patients have in choosing their own machine types or masks? - Do patients really need a doctor's prescription before undergoing a sleep apnea test? - And much, much more..