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Matt Forbeck is all that and so much more. He grew up in Wisconsin as what he describes as a wimpy kid, too short and not overly healthy. He took to gaming at a pretty early age and has grown to be a game creator, author and award-winning storyteller.   Matt has been designing games now for over 35 years. He tells us how he believes that many of the most successful games today have stories to tell, and he loves to create some of the most successful ones. What I find most intriguing about Matt is that he clearly is absolutely totally happy in his work. For most of Matt's career he has worked for himself and continues today to be an independent freelancer.   Matt and his wife have five children, including a set of quadruplets. The quadruplets are 23 and Matt's oldest son is 28 and is following in his father's footsteps.   During our conversation we touch on interesting topics such as trust and work ethics. I know you will find this episode stimulating and worth listening to more than once.     About the Guest:   Matt Forbeck is an award-winning and New York Times-bestselling author and game designer of over thirty-five novels and countless other books and games. His projects have won a Peabody Award, a Scribe Award, and numerous ENnies and Origins Awards. He is also the president of the Diana Jones Award Foundation, which celebrates excellence in gaming.    Matt has made a living full-time on games and fiction since 1989, when he graduated from the Residential College at the University of Michigan with a degree in Creative Writing. With the exception of a four-year stint as the president of Pinnacle Entertainment Group and a year and a half as the director of the adventure games division of Human Head Studios, he has spent his career as an independent freelancer.   Matt has designed collectible card games, roleplaying games, miniatures games, board games, interactive fiction, interactive audiobooks, games for museum installations, and logic systems for toys. He has directed voiceover work and written short fiction, comic books, novels, screenplays, and video game scripts and stories. His work has been translated into at least 15 languages.   His latest work includes the Marvel Multiverse Role-Playing Game Core Rulebook, the Spider-Verse Expansion, Monster Academy (novels and board game), the Shotguns & Sorcery 5E Sourcebook based on his novels, and the Minecraft: Roll for Adventure game books. He is the father of five, including a set of quadruplets. He lives in Beloit, Wisconsin, with his wife and a rotating cast of college-age children. For more about him and his work, visit Forbeck.com.   Ways to connect with Matt:   Twitter: https://twitter.com/mforbeck Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/forbeck Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/forbeck.com Threads: https://www.threads.net/@mforbeck Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mforbeck/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/forbeck/ Website: https://www.forbeck.com/     About the Host:   Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. 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The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson ** 01:21 Hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of unstoppable mindset today. We get to play games. Well, not really, but we'll try. Our guest is Matt Forbeck, who is an award winning author. He is a game designer and all sorts of other kinds of things that I'm sure he's going to tell us about, and we actually just before we started the the episode, we were talking about how one might explore making more games accessible for blind and persons with other disabilities. It's, it's a challenge, and there, there are a lot of tricks. But anyway, Matt, I want to welcome you to unstoppable mindset. We're glad you're here.   Matt Forbeck ** 02:02 Well, thank you, Michael for inviting me and having me on. I appreciate it.   Speaker 1 ** 02:06 I think we're going to have a lot of fun, and I think it'll work out really well. I'm I am sure of that. So why don't we start just out of curiosity, why don't you tell us kind of about the early Matt, growing up?   Matt Forbeck ** 02:18 Uh, well, I grew up. I was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I grew up in a little town called Beloit, Wisconsin, which actually live in now, despite having moved away for 13 years at one point, and I had terrible asthma, I was a sick and short kid, and with the advent of medication, I finally started to be healthy when I was around nine, and Part of that, I started getting into playing games, right? Because when you're sick, you do a lot of sitting around rather than running around. So I did a lot of reading and playing games and things like that. I happen to grow up in the part of the world where Dungeons and Dragons was invented, which is in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, about 30 miles from where I live. And because of that I was I started going to conventions and playing games and such, when I was about 12 or 13 years old. I started doing it when I was a little bit older. I started doing it professionally, and started doing it when I was in college. And amazingly enough, even to my own astonishment, I've made a career out of it.   Speaker 1 ** 03:17 Where did you go to college? I went to the University   Matt Forbeck ** 03:21 of Michigan over in Ann Arbor. I had a great time there. There's a wonderful little college, Beloit College, in my hometown here, and most of my family has gone to UW Milwaukee over the years. My parents met at Marquette in Milwaukee, but I wanted to get the heck out of the area, so I went to Michigan, and then found myself coming back as soon as we started having   Speaker 1 ** 03:42 kids well, and of course, I would presume that when you were at the University of Michigan, you rooted for them and against Ohio State. That was   Matt Forbeck ** 03:50 kind of, you know, if you did it the other way around, they back out of town. So, yeah, I was always kind of astonished, though, because having grown up in Wisconsin, where every sports team was a losing team when I was growing up, including the Packers, for decades. You know, we were just happy to be playing. They were more excuse to have beers than they were to cheer on teams. And I went to Michigan where they were, they were angry if the team wasn't up by two touchdowns. You know, at any point, I'm like, You guys are silly. This is we're here for fun.   Speaker 1 ** 04:17 But it is amazing how seriously some people take sports. I remember being in New Zealand helping the Royal New Zealand Foundation for the Blind. Well now 22 years ago, it's 2003 and the America's Cup had just finished before we got there, and in America beat New Zealand, and the people in New Zealand were just irate. They were complaining that the government didn't put enough money into the design of the boat and helping with the with the yacht and all that. It was just amazing how seriously people take it, yeah,   Matt Forbeck ** 04:58 once, I mean, it becomes a part of your. Identity in a lot of ways, right for many people, and I've never had to worry about that too much. I've got other things on my mind, but there you go.   Speaker 1 ** 05:08 Well, I do like it when the Dodgers win, and my wife did her graduate work at USC, and so I like it when the Trojans win, but it's not the end of the world, and you do need to keep it in perspective. I I do wish more people would I know once I delivered a speech in brether County, Kentucky, and I was told that when I started the speech had to end no later than preferably exactly at 6:30pm not a minute later, because it was the night of the NCAA Basketball Championship, and the Kentucky Wildcats were in the championship, and at 630 everyone was going to get up and leave and go home to watch the game. So I ended at 630 and literally, by 631 I timed it. The gym was empty and it was full to start with.   Matt Forbeck ** 06:02 People were probably, you know, counting down on their watches, just to make sure, right?   Speaker 1 ** 06:06 Oh, I'm sure they were. What do you do? It's, it is kind of fun. Well, so why did you decide to get started in games? What? What? What attracted to you, to it as a young person, much less later on?   Matt Forbeck ** 06:21 Well, I was, yeah, I was an awkward kid, kind of nerdy and, you know, glasses and asthma and all that kind of stuff. And games were the kind of thing where, if you didn't know how to interact with people, you could sit down at a table across them and you could practice. You can say, okay, we're all here. We've got this kind of a magic circle around us where we've agreed to take this one silly activity seriously for a short period of time, right? And it may be that you're having fun during that activity, but you know, there's, there's no reason that rolling dice or moving things around on a table should be taken seriously. It's all just for fun, right? But for that moment, you actually just like Las Vegas Exactly, right? When there's money on the line, it's different, but if you're just doing it for grins. You know, it was a good way for me to learn how to interact with people of all sorts and of different ages. And I really enjoyed playing the games, and I really wanted to be a writer, too. And a lot of these things interacted with story at a very basic level. So breaking in as a writer is tough, but it turned out breaking as a game designer, wasn't nearly his stuff, so I started out over there instead, because it was a very young field at the time, right? D and D is now 50 years old, so I've been doing this 35 years, which means I started around professionally and even doing it before that, I started in the period when the game and that industry were only like 10 or 15 years old, so yeah, weren't quite as much competition in those   Speaker 1 ** 07:43 days. I remember some of the early games that I did play, that I could play, were DOS based games, adventure. You're familiar with adventure? Yeah, oh, yeah. Then later, Zork and all that. And I still think those are fun games. And I the reason I like a lot of those kinds of games is they really make you think, which I think most games do, even though the video even the video games and so on, they they help your or can help your reactions, but they're designed by people who do try to make you think,   Matt Forbeck ** 08:15 yeah. I mean, we basically are designing puzzles for people to solve, even if they're story puzzles or graphic puzzles or sound puzzles or whatever, you know, even spatial puzzles. There the idea is to give somebody something fun that is intriguing to play with, then you end up coming with story and after that, because after a while, even the most most exciting mechanics get dull, right? I mean, you start out shooting spaceships, but you can only shoot spaceships for so long, or you start out playing Tetris, and you only put shapes together for so long before it doesn't mean anything that then you start adding in story to give people a reason to keep playing right and a reason to keep going through these things. And I've written a lot of video games over the years, basically with that kind of a philosophy, is give people nuggets of story, give them a plot to work their way through, and reward them for getting through different stages, and they will pretty much follow you through anything. It's amazing.   Michael Hingson ** 09:09 Is that true Dungeons and Dragons too?   Matt Forbeck ** 09:13 It is. All of the stories are less structured there. If you're doing a video game, you know you the team has a lot of control over you. Give the player a limited amount of control to do things, but if you're playing around a table with people, it's more of a cooperative kind of experience, where we're all kind of coming up with a story, the narrator or the Game Master, the Dungeon Master, sets the stage for everything, but then the players have a lot of leeway doing that, and they will always screw things up for you, too. No matter what you think is going to happen, the players will do something different, because they're individuals, and they're all amazing people. That's actually to me, one of the fun things about doing tabletop games is that, you know, the computer can only react in a limited number of ways, whereas a human narrator and actually change things quite drastically and roll. With whatever people come up with, and that makes it tremendous fun.   Speaker 1 ** 10:04 Do you think AI is going to enter into all that and maybe improve some of the   Matt Forbeck ** 10:09 old stuff? It's going to add your end to it, whether it's an ad, it's going to approve it as a large question. Yeah. So I've been ranting about AI quite a bit lately with my friends and family. But, you know, I think the problem with AI, it can be very helpful a lot of ways, but I think it's being oversold. And I think it's especially when it's being oversold for thing, for ways for people to replace writers and creative thinking, Yeah, you know, you're taking the fun out of everything. I mean, the one thing I like to say is if, if you can't be bothered to write this thing that you want to communicate to me, I'm not sure why I should be bothered to read this thing well.   Speaker 1 ** 10:48 And I think that AI will will evolve in whatever way it does. But the fact of the matter is, So do people. And I think that, in fact, people are always going to be necessary to make the process really work? AI can only do and computers can only do so much. I mean, even Ray Kurzweil talks about the singularity when people and computer brains are married, but that still means that you're going to have the human element. So it's not all going to be the computer. And I'm not ready to totally buy into to what Ray says. And I used to work for Ray, so I mean, I know Ray Well, but, but the but the bottom line is, I think that, in fact, people are always going to be able to be kind of the, the mainstay of it, as long as we allow that, if we, if we give AI too much power, then over time, it'll take more power, and that's a problem, but that's up to us to deal with?   Matt Forbeck ** 11:41 No, I totally agree with that. I just think right now, there's a very large faction of people who it's in their economic interest to oversell these things. You know, people are making chips. They're building server farms. A lot of them are being transferred from people are doing blockchain just a few years ago, and they see it as the hot new thing. The difference is that AI actually has a lot of good uses. There's some amazing things will come out of llms and such. But I again, people are over the people are selling this to us. Are often over promising things, right?   Speaker 1 ** 12:11 Yeah, well, they're not only over promising but they're they're really misdirecting people. But the other side of it is that, that, in fact, AI as a concept and as a technology is here, and we have control over how we use it. I've said a couple times on this this podcast, and I've said to others, I remember when I first started hearing about AI, I heard about the the fact that teachers were bemoaning the pack, that kids were writing their papers just using AI and turning them in, and it wasn't always easy to tell whether it was something that was written by AI or was written by the student. And I come from a little bit different view than I think a lot of people do. And my view basically is, let the kids write it if with AI, if that's what they're going to do, but then what the teacher needs to do is to take one period, for example, and give every student in that class the opportunity to come up and defend whatever paper they have. And the real question is, can they defend the paper? Which means, have they really learned the subject, or are they just relying on AI,   Matt Forbeck ** 13:18 yeah, I agree with that. I think the trouble is, a lot of people, children, you know, who are developing their abilities and their morals about this stuff, they use it as just a way to complete the assignment, right? And many of them don't even read what they turn in, right, right? Just know that they've got something here that will so again, if you can't be bothered to read the thing that you manufactured, you're not learning anything about it,   Speaker 1 ** 13:39 which is why, if you are forced to defend it, it's going to become pretty obvious pretty fast, whether you really know it or not. Now, I've used AI on a number of occasions in various ways, but I use it to maybe give me ideas or prepare something that I then modify and shape. And I may even interact with AI a couple of times, but I'm definitely involved with the process all the way down the line, because it still has to be something that I'm responsible for.   Matt Forbeck ** 14:09 I agree. I mean, the whole point of doing these things is for people to connect with each other, right? I want to learn about the ideas you have in your head. I want to see how they jive with ones in my head. But if I'm just getting something that's being spit out by a machine and not you, and not being curated by you at any point, that doesn't seem very useful, right? So if you're the more involved people are in it, the more useful it is.   Speaker 1 ** 14:31 Well, I agree, and you know, I think again, it's a tool, and we have to decide how the tool is going to be used, which is always the way it ought to be. Right?   Matt Forbeck ** 14:42 Exactly, although sometimes it's large corporations deciding,   Speaker 1 ** 14:45 yeah, well, there's that too. Well, individuals,   Matt Forbeck ** 14:49 we get to make our own choices. Though you're right,   Speaker 1 ** 14:51 yes, and should Well, so, so when did you start bringing writing into what you. Did, and make that a really significant part of what you did?   Matt Forbeck ** 15:03 Well, pretty early on, I mean, I started doing one of the first things I did was a gaming zine, which was basically just a print magazine that was like, you know, 32 pages, black and white, about the different tabletop games. So we were writing those in the days, design and writing are very closely linked when it comes to tabletop games and even in video games. The trick of course is that designing a game and writing the rules are actually two separate sets of skills. So one of the first professional gig I ever had during writing was in games was some friends of mine had designed a game for a company called Mayfair games, which went on to do sellers of contain, which is a big, uh, entry level game, and but they needed somebody to write the rules, so they called me over, showed me how to play the game. I took notes and I I wrote it down in an easy to understand, clear way that people had just picked up the box. Could then pick it up and teach themselves how to play, right? So that was early on how I did it. But the neat thing about that is it also taught me to think about game design. I'm like, when I work on games, I think about, who is this game going to be for, and how are we going to teach it to them? Because if they can't learn the game, there's no point of the game at all, right?   Speaker 1 ** 16:18 And and so I'm right? I'm a firm believer that a lot of technical writers don't do a very good job of technical writing, and they write way over people's heads. I remember the first time I had to write, well, actually, I mentioned I worked for Kurzweil. I was involved with a project where Ray Kurzweil had developed his original omniprent optical character recognition system. And I and the National Federation of the Blind created with him a project to put machines around the country so that blind people could use them and give back to Ray by the time we were all done, recommendations as to what needed to go in the final first production model of the machine. So I had to write a training manual to teach people how to use it. And I wrote this manual, and I was always of the opinion that it had to be pretty readable and usable by people who didn't have a lot of technical knowledge. So I wrote the manual, gave it to somebody to read, and said, Follow the directions and and work with the machine and all that. And they did, and I was in another room, and they were playing with it for a couple of hours, and they came in and they said, I'm having a problem. I can't figure out how to turn off the machine. And it turns out that I had forgotten to put in the instruction to turn off the machine. And it wasn't totally trivial. There were steps you had to go through. It was a Data General Nova two computer, and you had to turn it off the right way and the whole system off the appropriate way, or you could, could mess everything up. So there was a process to doing it. So I wrote it in, and it was fine. But, you know, I've always been a believer that the textbooks are way too boring. Having a master's degree in physics, I am of the opinion that physics textbook writers, who are usually pretty famous and knowledgeable scientists, ought to include with all the text and the technical stuff they want to put in, they should put in stories about what they did in you bring people in, draw them into the whole thing, rather than just spewing out a bunch of technical facts.   Matt Forbeck ** 18:23 No, I agree. My my first calculus professor was a guy who actually explained how Newton and Leipzig actually came up with calculus, and then he would, you know, draw everything on the board and turn around say, and isn't that amazing? And you were, like, just absolutely enamored with the idea of how they had done these things, right? Yeah. And what you're doing there, when you, when you, when you give the instructions to somebody and say, try this out. That's a very big part of gaming, actually, because what we do this thing called play testing, where we take something before it's ready to be shown to the public, and we give it to other people and say, try this out. See how it works. Let me know when you're starting out of your first playing you play with like your family and friends and people will be brutal with you and give you hints about how you can improve things. But then, even when you get to the rules you're you send those out cold to people, or, you know, if you're a big company, you watch them through a two way mirror or one way mirror, and say, Hey, let's see how they react to everything. And then you take notes, and you try to make it better every time you go through. And when I'm teaching people to play games at conventions, for instance, I will often say to them, please ask questions if you don't understand anything, that doesn't mean you're dumb. Means I didn't explain it well enough, right? And my job as a person writing these rules is to explain it as well as I humanly can so it can't be misconstrued or misinterpreted. Now that doesn't mean you can correct everything. Somebody's always got like, Oh, I missed that sentence, you know, whatever. But you do that over and over so you can try to make it as clear and concise as possible, yeah.   Speaker 1 ** 19:52 Well, you have somewhat of a built in group of people to help if you let your kids get involved. Involved. So how old are your kids?   Matt Forbeck ** 20:03 My eldest is 26 he'll be 27 in January. Marty is a game designer, actually works with me on the marble tabletop role playing game, and we have a new book coming out, game book for Minecraft, called Minecraft role for adventure, that's coming out on July 7, I think, and the rest of the kids are 23 we have 423 year olds instead of quadruplets, one of whom is actually going into game design as well, and the other says two are still in college, and one has moved off to the work in the woods. He's a very woodsy boy. Likes to do environmental education with people.   Speaker 1 ** 20:39 Wow. Well, see, but you, but you still have a good group of potential game designers or game critics anyway.   Matt Forbeck ** 20:47 Oh, we all play games together. We have a great time. We do weekly game nights here. Sometimes they're movie nights, sometimes they're just pizza nights, but we shoot for game and pizza   Speaker 1 ** 20:56 if we get lucky and your wife goes along with all this too.   Matt Forbeck ** 21:00 She does. She doesn't go to the game conventions and stuff as much, and she's not as hardcore of a gamer, but she likes hanging out with the kids and doing everything with us. We have a great time.   Speaker 1 ** 21:10 That's that's pretty cool. Well, you, you've got, you've got to build an audience of some sorts, and that's neat that a couple of them are involved in it as well. So they really like what dad does, yeah,   Matt Forbeck ** 21:23 yeah. We, I started taking them each to conventions, which are, you know, large gatherings gamers in real life. The biggest one is Gen Con, which happens in Indianapolis in August. And last year, I think, we had 72,000 people show up. And I started taking the kids when they were 10 years old, and my wife would come up with them then. And, you know, 10 years old is a lot. 72,000 people is a lot for a 10 year old. So she can mention one day and then to a park the next day, you know, decompress a lot, and then come back on Saturday and then leave on Sunday or whatever, so that we didn't have them too over stimulated. But they really grown to love it. I mean, it's part of our annual family traditions in the summer, is to go do these conventions and play lots of games with each other and meet new people too well.   Speaker 1 ** 22:08 And I like the way you put it. The games are really puzzles, which they are, and it's and it's fun. If people would approach it that way, no matter what the game is, they're, they're aspects of puzzles involved in most everything that has to do with the game, and that's what makes it so fun.   Matt Forbeck ** 22:25 Exactly, no. The interesting thing is, when you're playing with other people, the other people are changing the puzzles from their end that you have to solve on your end. And sometimes the puzzle is, how do I beat this person, or how do I defeat their strategy, or how do I make an alliance with somebody else so we can win? And it's really always very intriguing. There's so many different types of games. There's nowadays, there's like something like 50 to 100 new board games that come out and tabletop games every month, right? It's just like a fire hose. It's almost like, when I was starting out as a novelist, I would go into Barnes and Noble or borders and go, Oh my gosh, look at all these books. And now I do the same thing about games. It's just, it's incredible. Nobody, no one person, could keep up with all of them.   Speaker 1 ** 23:06 Yeah, yeah, yeah, way too much. I would love to explore playing more video games, but I don't. I don't own a lot of the technology, although I'm sure that there are any number of them that can be played on a computer, but we'll have to really explore and see if we can find some. I know there are some that are accessible for like blind people with screen readers. I know that some people have written a few, which is kind of cool. Yeah.   Matt Forbeck ** 23:36 And Xbox has got a new controller out that's meant to be accessible to large amount of people. I'm not sure, all the different aspects of it, but that's done pretty well, too   Speaker 1 ** 23:44 well. And again, it comes down to making it a priority to put all of that stuff in. It's not like it's magic to do. It's just that people don't know how to do it. But I also think something else, which is, if you really make the products more usable, let's say by blind people with screen readers. You may be especially if it's well promoted, surprised. I'm not you necessarily, but people might well be surprised as to how many others might take advantage of it so that they don't necessarily have to look at the screen, or that you're forced to listen as well as look in order to figure out what's going on or take actions.   Matt Forbeck ** 24:29 No, definitely true. It's, you know, people audio books are a massive thing nowadays. Games tend to fall further behind that way, but it's become this incredible thing that obviously, blind people get a great use out of but my wife is addicted to audio books now. She actually does more of those than she does reading. I mean, I technically think they're both reading. It's just one's done with yours and one's done with your eyes.   Speaker 1 ** 24:51 Yeah, there's but there's some stuff, whether you're using your eyes or your fingers and reading braille, there's something about reading a book that way that's. Even so a little bit different than listening to it. Yeah, and there's you're drawn in in some ways, in terms of actually reading that you're not necessarily as drawn into when you're when you're listening to it, but still, really good audio book readers can help draw you in, which is important, too,   Matt Forbeck ** 25:19 very much. So yeah, I think the main difference for reading, whether it's, you know, again, through Braille or through traditional print, is that you can stop. You can do it at your own pace. You can go back and look at things very easily, or read or check things, read things very easily. That you know, if you're reading, if you're doing an audio book, it just goes on and it's straight on, boom, boom, boom, pace. You can say, Wait, I'm going to put this down here. What was that thing? I remember back there? It was like three pages back, but it's really important, let me go check that right.   Speaker 1 ** 25:50 There are some technologies that allow blind people and low vision people and others, like people with dyslexia to use an audio book and actually be able to navigate two different sections of it. But it's not something that is generally available to the whole world, at least to the level that it is for blind people. But I can, I can use readers that are made to be able to accept the different formats and go back and look at pages, go back and look at headings, and even create bookmarks to bookmark things like you would normally by using a pen or a pencil or something like that. So there are ways to do some of that. So again, the technology is making strides.   Matt Forbeck ** 26:37 That's fantastic. Actually, it's wonderful. Just, yeah, it's great. I actually, you know, I lost half the vision of my right eye during back through an autoimmune disease about 13 years ago, and I've always had poor vision. So I'm a big fan of any kind of way to make things easier,   Speaker 1 ** 26:54 like that. Well, there, there are things that that are available. It's pretty amazing. A guy named George curser. Curser created a lot of it years ago, and it's called the DAISY format. And the whole idea behind it is that you can actually create a book. In addition to the audio tracks, there are XML files that literally give you the ability to move and navigate around the book, depending on how it's created, as final level as you choose.   Matt Forbeck ** 27:25 Oh, that's That's amazing. That's fantastic. I'm actually really glad to hear that.   Speaker 1 ** 27:28 So, yeah, it is kind of fun. So there's a lot of technology that's that's doing a lot of different sorts of things and and it helps. But um, so for you, in terms of dealing with, with the games, you've, you've written games, but you've, you've actually written some novels as well, right?   Matt Forbeck ** 27:50 Yeah, I've got like 30, it depends on how you count a novel, right? Okay, like some of my books are to pick a path books, right? Choose Your Own Adventure type stuff. So, but I've got 35 traditional novels written or more, I guess, now, I lost track a while ago, and probably another dozen of these interactive fiction books as well. So, and I like doing those. I've also written things like Marvel encyclopedias and Avengers encyclopedias and all sorts of different pop culture books. And, you know, I like playing in different worlds. I like writing science fiction, fantasy, even modern stuff. And most of it, for me comes down to telling stories, right? If you like to tell stories, you can tell stories through a game or book or audio play or a TV show or a comic, or I've done, you know, interactive museum, games and displays, things like that. The main thing is really a story. I mean, if you're comfortable sitting down at a bar and having a drink with somebody, doesn't have to be alcohol, just sitting down and telling stories with each other for fun. That's where the core of it all is really   Speaker 1 ** 28:58 right. Tell me about interactive fiction book.   Matt Forbeck ** 29:01 Sure, a lot of these are basically just done, like flow charts, kind of like the original Zork and adventure that you were talking about where you I actually, I was just last year, I brought rose Estes, who's the inventor of the endless quest books, which were a cross between Dungeons and Dragons, and choose your own adventure books. She would write the whole thing out page by page on a typewriter, and then, in order to shuffle the pages around so that people wouldn't just read straight through them, she'd throw them all up in the air and then just put them back in whatever order they happen to be. But essentially, you read a section of a book, you get to the end, and it gives you a choice. Would you like to go this way or that way? Would you like to go beat up this goblin? Or would you like to make friends with this warrior over here? If you want to do one of these things, go do page xx, right? Got it. So then you turn to that page and you go, boom, some, actually, some of the endless quest books I know were turned into audio books, right? And I actually, I. Um, oddly, have written a couple Dungeons and Dragons, interactive books, audio books that have only been released in French, right? Because there's a company called Looney l, u n, i, i that has this little handheld device that's for children, that has an A and a B button and a volume button. And you, you know, you get to the point that says, if you want to do this, push a, if you want to do that, push B, and the kids can go through these interactive stories and and, you know, there's ones for clue and Dungeons and Dragons and all sorts of other licenses, and some original stories too. But that way there's usually, like, you know, it depends on the story, but sometimes there's, like, 10 to 20 different endings. A lot of them are like, Oh no, you've been killed. Go back to where you started, right? And if you're lucky, the longer ones are, the more fun ones. And you get to, you know, save the kingdom and rescue the people and make good friends and all that good stuff,   Michael Hingson ** 30:59 yeah, and maybe fall in love with the princess or Prince.   Matt Forbeck ** 31:02 Yeah, exactly right. It all depends on the genre and what you're working in. But the idea is to give people some some choices over how they want the story to go. You're like, Well, do you want to investigate this dark, cold closet over here, or would you rather go running outside and playing around? And some of them can seem like very innocent choices, and other ones are like, well, uh, 10 ton weight just fell on. You go back to the last thing.   Speaker 1 ** 31:23 So that dark hole closet can be a good thing or a bad thing,   Matt Forbeck ** 31:28 exactly. And the trick is to make the deaths the bad endings, actually just as entertaining as anything else, right? And then people go, Well, I got beat, and I gotta go back and try that again. So yeah, if they just get the good ending all the way through, they often won't go back and look at all the terrible ones. So it's fun to trick them sometimes and have them go into terrible spots. And I like to put this one page in books too that sometimes says, How did you get here? You've been cheating there. This book, this page, is actually not led to from any other part of the book. You're just flipping   Speaker 1 ** 31:59 through. Cheater, cheater book, do what you   Matt Forbeck ** 32:04 want, but if you want to play it the right way, go back.   Speaker 1 ** 32:07 Kid, if you want to play the game. Yeah, exactly. On the other hand, some people are nosy.   Matt Forbeck ** 32:15 You know, I was always a kid who would poke around and wanted to see how things were, so I'm sure I would have found that myself but absolutely related, you know,   Speaker 1 ** 32:23 yeah, I had a general science teacher who brought in a test one day, and he gave it to everyone. And so he came over to me because it was, it was a printed test. He said, Well, I'm not going to give you the test, because the first thing it says is, read all the instructions, read, read the test through before you pass it, before you take it. And he said, most people won't do that. And he said, I know you would. And the last question on the test is answer, only question one.   Matt Forbeck ** 32:55 That's great. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah,   Speaker 1 ** 32:57 that was cute. And he said, I know that. I that there's no way you would, would would fall for that, because you would say, Okay, let's read the instructions and then read the whole test. That's what it said. And the instruction were, just read the whole test before you start. And people won't do that.   Matt Forbeck ** 33:13 No, they'll go through, take the whole thing. They get there and go, oh, did I get there? Was a, there's a game publisher. I think it was Steve Jackson Games, when they were looking for people, write for them, or design stuff for them, or submit stuff to them, would have something toward the end of the instructions that would say, put like a the letter seven, or put seven a on page one right, and that way they would know if you had read the instructions, if you hadn't bothered to Read the instructions, they wouldn't bother reading anything else.   Speaker 1 ** 33:42 Yeah, which is fair, because the a little harsh, well, but, but, you know, we often don't learn enough to pay attention to details. I know that when I was taking physics in college, that was stressed so often it isn't enough to get the numbers right. If you don't get the units right as well. Then you're, you're not really paying attention to the details. And paying attention to the details is so important.   Matt Forbeck ** 34:07 That's how they crash from those Mars rovers, wasn't it? They somebody messed up the units, but going back and forth between metric and, yeah, and Imperial and, well, you know, it cost somebody a lot of money at one point. Yeah. Yeah. What do you   Speaker 1 ** 34:21 this is kind of the way it goes. Well, tell me, yeah. Well, they do matter, no matter what people think, sometimes they do matter. Well, tell me about the Diana Jones award. First of all, of course, the logical question for many people is, who is Diana Jones? Yeah, Diana Jones doesn't exist, right? That's There you go. She's part game somewhere? No, no, it doesn't be in a game somewhere.   Matt Forbeck ** 34:43 Then now there's actually an author named Diana Wynne Jones, who's written some amazing fantasy stories, including Howell's Moving Castle, which has turned into a wonderful anime movie, but it has nothing to do with her or any other person. Because originally, the Diana Jones award came about. Because a friend of mine, James Wallace, had somehow stumbled across a trophy that fell into his hands, and it was a pub trivia trophy that used to be used between two different gaming companies in the UK, and one of those was TSR, UK, the United Kingdom department. And at one point, the company had laid off everybody in that division just say, Okay, we're closing it all down. So the guys went and burned a lot of the stuff that they had, including a copy of the Indiana Jones role playing game, and the only part of the logo that was left said Diana Jones. And for some reason, they put this in a in a fiberglass or Plexiglas pyramid, put it on a base, a wooden base, and it said the Diana Jones award trophy, right? And this was the trophy that they used they passed back and forth as a joke for their pub trivia contest. Fell into James's hands, and he decided, You know what, we're going to give this out for the most excellent thing in gaming every year. And we've now done this. This will be 25 years this summer. We do it at the Wednesday night before Gen Con, which starts on Thursday, usually at the end of July or early August. And as part of that, actually, about five years ago, we started, one of the guys suggested we should do something called the emerging designers program. So we actually became a 501, c3, so we could take donations. And now we take four designers every year, fly them in from wherever they happen to be in the world, and put them up in a hotel, give them a badge the show, introduce them to everybody, give them an honorarium so they can afford to skip work for a week and try to help launch their careers. I mean, these are people that are in the first three years of their design careers, and we try to work mostly with marginalized or et cetera, people who need a little bit more representation in the industry too. Although we can select anybody, and it's been really well received, it's been amazing. And there's a group called the bundle of holding which sells tabletop role playing game PDFs, and they've donated 10s of 1000s of dollars every year for us to be able to do this. And it's kind of funny, because I never thought I'd be end up running a nonprofit, but here I'm just the guy who writes checks to the different to the emerging designer program. Folks are much more tied into that community that I am. But one of the real reasons I wanted to do something like that or be involved with it, because if you wander around with these conventions and you notice that it starts getting very gray after a while, right? It's you're like, oh, there's no new people coming in. It's all older people. I we didn't I didn't want us to all end up as like the Grandpa, grandpa doing the HO model railroad stuff in the basement, right? This dying hobby that only people in their 60s and 70s care about. So bringing in fresh people, fresh voices, I think, is very important, and hopefully we're doing some good with that. It's been a lot of fun either way.   Speaker 1 ** 37:59 Well, I have you had some success with it? Yeah, we've   Matt Forbeck ** 38:02 had, well, let's see. I think we've got like 14 people. We've brought in some have already gone on to do some amazing things. I mean, it's only been a few years, so it's hard to tell if they're gonna be legends in their time, but again, having them as models for other people to look at and say, Oh, maybe I could do that. That's been a great thing. The other well, coincidentally, Dungeons and Dragons is having its best 10 year streak in its history right now, and probably is the best selling it's ever been. So coinciding with that, we've seen a lot more diversity and a lot more people showing up to these wonderful conventions and playing these kinds of games. There's also been an advent of this thing called actual play, which is the biggest one, is a group called Critical Role, which is a whole bunch of voice actors who do different cartoons and video games and such, and they play D and D with each other, and then they record the games, and they produce them on YouTube and for podcasts. And these guys are amazing. There's a couple of other ones too, like dimension 20 and glass cannon, the critical role guys actually sold out a live performance at Wembley Arena last summer. Wow. And dimension. Dimension 20 sold out Madison Square Garden. I'm like, if you'd have told me 20 years ago that you know you could sell out an entire rock stadium to have people watch you play Dungeons and Dragons, I would have laughed. I mean, there's no way it would have been possible. But now, you know, people are very much interested in this. It's kind of wild, and it's, it's fun to be a part of that. At some level,   Speaker 1 ** 39:31 how does the audience get drawn in to something like that? Because they are watching it, but there must be something that draws them in.   Matt Forbeck ** 39:39 Yeah, part of it is that you have some really skilled some actors are very funny, very traumatic and very skilled at improvisation, right? So the the dungeon master or Game Master will sit there and present them with an idea or whatever. They come up each with their own characters. They put them in wonderful, strong voices. They kind of inhabit the roles in a way that an actor. A really top level actor would, as opposed to just, you know, me sitting around a table with my friends. And because of that, they become compelling, right? My Marty and my his wife and I were actually at a convention in Columbus, Ohio last weekend, and this group called the McElroy family, actually, they do my brother, my brother and me, which is a hit podcast, but they also do an actual play podcast called The Adventure zone, where they just play different games. And they are so funny. These guys are just some of the best comedians you'll ever hear. And so them playing, they actually played our Marvel game for a five game session, or a five podcast session, or whatever, and it was just stunningly fun to listen to. People are really talented mess around with something that we built right it's very edifying to see people enjoying something that you worked on.   Speaker 1 ** 40:51 Do you find that the audiences get drawn in and they're actually sort of playing the game along, or as well? And may disagree with what some of the choices are that people make?   Matt Forbeck ** 41:02 Oh, sure. But I mean, if the choices are made from a point of the character that's been expressed, that people are following along and they they already like the character, they might go, Oh, those mean, you know that guy, there are some characters they love to hate. There are some people they're they're angry at whatever, but they always really appreciate the actors. I mean, the actors have become celebrities in their own right. They've they sell millions of dollars for the comic books and animated TV shows and all these amazing things affiliated with their actual play stuff. And it's, I think it, part of it is because, it's because it makes the games more accessible. Some people are intimidated by these games. So it's not really, you know, from a from a physical disability kind of point. It's more of a it makes it more accessible for people to be nervous, to try these things on their own, or don't really quite get how they work. They can just sit down and pop up YouTube or their podcast program and listen into people doing a really good job at it. The unfortunate problem is that the converse of that is, when you're watching somebody do that good of a job at it, it's actually hard to live up to that right. Most people who play these games are just having fun with their friends around a table. They're not performing for, you know, 10s of 1000s, if not hundreds of 1000s of people. So there's a different level of investments, really, at that point, and some people have been known to be cowed by that, by that, or daunted by that.   Speaker 1 ** 42:28 You work on a lot of different things. I gather at the same time. What do you what do you think about that? How do you like working on a lot of different projects? Or do you, do you more focus on one thing, but you've got several things going on, so you'll work on something for one day, then you'll work on something else. Or how do you how do you do it all?   Matt Forbeck ** 42:47 That's a good question. I would love to just focus on one thing at a time. Now, you know the trouble is, I'm a freelancer, right? I don't set my I don't always get to say what I want to work on. I haven't had to look for work for over a decade, though, which has been great. People just come to me with interesting things. The trouble is that when you're a freelancer, people come in and say, Hey, let's work on this. I'm like, Yeah, tell me when you're ready to start. And you do that with like, 10 different people, and they don't always line up in sequence properly, right? Yeah? Sometimes somebody comes up and says, I need this now. And I'm like, Yeah, but I'm in the middle of this other thing right now, so I need to not sleep for another week, and I need to try to figure out how I'm going to put this in between other things I'm working on. And I have noticed that after I finish a project, it takes me about a day or three to just jump track. So if I really need to, I can do little bits here and there, but to just fully get my brain wrapped around everything I'm doing for a very complex project, takes me a day or three to say, Okay, now I'm ready to start this next thing and really devote myself to it. Otherwise, it's more juggling right now, having had all those kids, probably has prepared me to juggle. So I'm used to having short attention span theater going on in my head at all times, because I have to jump back and forth between things. But it is. It's a challenge, and it's a skill that you develop over time where you're like, Okay, I can put this one away here and work on this one here for a little while. Like today, yeah, I knew I was going to talk to you, Michael. So I actually had lined up another podcast that a friend of mine wanted to do with me. I said, Let's do them on the same day. This way I'm not interrupting my workflow so much, right? Makes sense? You know, try to gang those all together and the other little fiddly bits I need to do for administration on a day. Then I'm like, Okay, this is not a day off. It's just a day off from that kind of work. It's a day I'm focusing on this aspect of what I do.   Speaker 1 ** 44:39 But that's a actually brings up an interesting point. Do you ever take a day off or do what do you do when you're when you deciding that you don't want to do gaming for a while?   Matt Forbeck ** 44:49 Yeah, I actually kind of terrible. But you know, you know, my wife will often drag me off to places and say we're going to go do this when. Yes, we have a family cabin up north in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan that we go to. Although, you know, my habit there is, I'll work. I'll start work in the morning on a laptop or iPad until my battery runs out, and then I shut it down, put on a charger, and then I go out and swim with everybody for the rest of the day. So it depends if I'm on a deadline or not, and I'm almost always on a deadline, but there are times I could take weekends off there. One of the great things of being a freelancer, though, and especially being a stay at home father, which is part of what I was doing, is that when things come up during the middle of the week, I could say, oh, sure, I can be flexible, right? The trouble is that I have to pay for that time on my weekends, a lot of the time, so I don't really get a lot of weekends off. On the other hand, I'm not I'm not committed to having to work every day of the week either, right? I need to go do doctor appointments, or we want to run off to Great America and do a theme park or whatever. I can do that anytime I want to. It's just I have to make up the time at other points during the week. Does your wife work? She does. She was a school social worker for many years, and now as a recruiter at a local technical college here called Black Hawk tech. And she's amazing, right? She's fantastic. She has always liked working. The only time she stopped working was for about a year and a half after the quads were born, I guess, two years. And that was the only time I ever took a job working with anybody else, because we needed the health insurance, so I we always got it through her. And then when she said, Well, I'm gonna stay home with the kids, which made tons of sense, I went and took a job with a video game company up in Madison, Wisconsin called Human Head Studios for about 18 months, 20 months. And then the moment she told me she was thinking about going back to work, I'm like, Oh, good, I can we can Cobra for 18 months and pay for our own health insurance, and I'm giving notice this week, and, you know, we'll work. I left on good terms that everybody. I still talk to them and whatever, but I very much like being my own boss and not worrying about what other people are going to tell me to do. I work with a lot of clients, which means I have a lot of people telling me what to do. But you know, if it turns out bad, I can walk I can walk away. If it turns out good, hopefully we get to do things together, like the the gig I've been working out with Marvel, I guess, has been going on for like, four years now, with pretty continuous work with them, and I'm enjoying every bit of it. They're great people to work with.   Speaker 1 ** 47:19 Now, you were the president of Pinnacle entertainment for a little while. Tell me about that.   Matt Forbeck ** 47:24 I was, that was a small gaming company I started up with a guy named Shane Hensley, who was another tabletop game designer. Our big game was something called Dead Lands, which was a Western zombie cowboy kind of thing. Oh gosh, Western horror. So. And it was pretty much a, you know, nobody was doing Western horror back in those days. So we thought, Oh, this is safe. And to give you an example of parallel development, we were six months into development, and another company, White Wolf, which had done a game called Vampire the Masquerade, announced that they were doing Werewolf the Wild West. And we're like, you gotta be kidding me, right? Fortunately, we still released our game three months before there, so everybody thought we were copying them, rather than the other way around. But the fact is, we were. We both just came up with the idea independently. Right? When you work in creative fields, often, if somebody wants to show you something, you say, I'd like to look at you have to sign a waiver first that says, If I do something like this, you can't sue me. And it's not because people are trying to rip you off. It's because they may actually be working on something similar, right already. Because we're all, you know, swimming in the same cultural pool. We're all, you know, eating the same cultural soup. We're watching or watching movies, playing games, doing whatever, reading books. And so it's not unusual that some of us will come up with similar ideas   Speaker 1 ** 48:45 well, and it's not surprising that from time to time, two different people are going to come up with somewhat similar concepts. So that's not a big surprise, exactly, but   Matt Forbeck ** 48:56 you don't want people getting litigious over it, like no, you don't be accused of ripping anybody off, right? You just want to be as upfront with people. With people. And I don't think I've ever actually seen somebody, at least in gaming, in tabletop games, rip somebody off like that. Just say, Oh, that's a great idea. We're stealing that it's easier to pay somebody to just say, Yes, that's a great idea. We'll buy that from you, right? As opposed to trying to do something unseemly and criminal?   Speaker 1 ** 49:24 Yeah, there's, there's something to be said for having real honor in the whole process.   Matt Forbeck ** 49:30 Yeah, I agree, and I think that especially if you're trying to have a long term career in any field that follows you, if you get a reputation for being somebody who plays dirty, nobody wants to play with you in the future, and I've always found it to be best to be as straightforward with people and honest, especially professionally, just to make sure that they trust you. Before my quadruplets were born, you could have set your clock by me as a freelancer, I never missed a deadline ever, and since then, I've probably it's a. Rare earth thing to make a deadline, because, you know, family stuff happens, and you know, there's just no controlling it. But whenever something does happen, I just call people up and say, hey, look, it's going to be another week or two. This is what's going on. And because I have a good reputation for completing the job and finishing quality work, they don't mind. They're like, Oh, okay, I know you're going to get this to me. You're not just trying to dodge me. So they're willing to wait a couple weeks if they need to, to get to get what they need. And I'm very grateful to them for that. And I'm the worst thing somebody can do is what do, what I call turtling down, which is when it's like, Oh no, I'm late. And then, you know, they cut off all communication. They don't talk to anybody. They just kind of try to disappear as much as they can. And we all, all adults, understand that things happen in your life. It's okay. We can cut you some slack every now and then, but if you just try to vanish, that's not even possible.   Speaker 1 ** 50:54 No, there's a lot to be there's a lot to be said for trust and and it's so important, I think in most anything that we do, and I have found in so many ways, that there's nothing better than really earning someone's trust, and they earning your trust. And it's something I talk about in my books, like when live with a guide dog, live like a guide dog, which is my newest book, it talks a lot about trust, because when you're working with a guide dog, you're really building a team, and each member of the team has a specific job to do, and as the leader of the team, it's my job to also learn how to communicate with the other member of the team. But the reality is, it still comes down to ultimately, trust, because I and I do believe that dogs do love unconditionally, but they don't trust unconditionally. But the difference between dogs and people is that people that dogs are much more open to trust, for the most part, unless they've just been totally traumatized by something, but they're more open to trust. And there's a lesson to be learned there. No, I   Matt Forbeck ** 52:03 absolutely agree with that. I think, I think most people in general are trustworthy, but as you say, a lot of them have trauma in their past that makes it difficult for them to open themselves up to that. So that's actually a pretty wonderful way to think about things. I like that,   Speaker 1 ** 52:17 yeah, well, I think that trust is is so important. And I know when I worked in professional sales, it was all about trust. In fact, whenever I interviewed people for jobs, I always asked them what they were going to sell, and only one person ever answered me the way. I really hoped that everybody would answer when I said, So, tell me what you're going to be selling. He said, The only thing I have to really sell is myself and my word, and nothing else. It really matters. Everything else is stuff. What you have is stuff. It's me selling myself and my word, and you have to, and I would expect you to back me up. And my response was, as long as you're being trustworthy, then you're going to get my backing all the way. And he was my most successful salesperson for a lot of reasons, because he got it.   Matt Forbeck ** 53:08 Yeah, that's amazing. I mean, I mean, I've worked with people sourcing different things too, for sales, and if you can rely on somebody to, especially when things go wrong, to come through for you. And to be honest with you about, you know, there's really that's a hard thing to find. If you can't depend on your sources for what you're building, then you can't depend on anything. Everything else falls apart.   Speaker 1 ** 53:29 It does. You've got to start at the beginning. And if people can't earn your trust, and you earn theirs, there's a problem somewhere, and it's just not going to work.   Matt Forbeck ** 53:39 Yeah, I just generally think people are decent and want to help. I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've had issues. Car breaks down the road in Wisconsin. Here, if somebody's car goes in the ditch, everybody stops and just hauls them out. It's what you do when the quads were born, my stepmother came up with a sign up sheet, a booklet that she actually had spiral bound, that people could sign up every three three hours to help come over and feed and bathe, diaper, whatever the kids and we had 30 to 35 volunteers coming in every week. Wow, to help us out with that was amazing, right? They just each pick slots, feeding slots, and come in and help us out. I had to take the 2am feeding, and my wife had to take the 5am feeding by ourselves. But the rest of the week we had lots and lots of help, and we were those kids became the surrogate grandchildren for, you know, 30 to 35 women and couples really, around the entire area, and it was fantastic. Probably couldn't have survived   Speaker 1 ** 54:38 without it. And the other part about it is that all those volunteers loved it, because you all appreciated each other, and it was always all about helping and assisting.   Matt Forbeck ** 54:48 No, we appreciate them greatly. But you know every most of them, like 99% of them, whatever were women, 95 women who are ready for grandchildren and didn't have them. Had grandchildren, and they weren't in the area, right? And they had that, that love they wanted to share, and they just loved the opportunity to do it. It was, I'm choking up here talking about such a great time for us in   Speaker 1 ** 55:11 that way. Now I'm assuming today, nobody has to do diaper duty with the quads, right?   Matt Forbeck ** 55:16 Not until they have their own kids. Just checking, just checking, thankfully, think we're that is long in our past,   Speaker 1 ** 55:23 is it? Is it coming fairly soon for anybody in the future?   Matt Forbeck ** 55:27 Oh, I don't know. That's really entirely up to them. We would love to have grandchildren, but you know, it all comes in its own time. They're not doing no well. I, one of my sons is married, so it's possible, right? And one of my other sons has a long term girlfriend, so that's possible, but, you know, who knows? Hopefully they're they have them when they're ready. I always say, if you have kids and you want them, that's great. If you have, if you don't have kids and you don't want them, that's great. It's when you cross the two things that,   Speaker 1 ** 55:57 yeah, trouble, yeah, that's that is, that is a problem. But you really like working with yourself. You love the entre

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The title fits, but not necessarily for the reasons you imagine. Barbara Leigh grew up in Wisconsin where she attended college and had a successful career. She tells us about her life and discusses getting married, having two children and over time watching her life choices basically and totally destroy her self esteem.   Barbara tells us how she, while growing up, was constantly described as a “smart girl”. She helped many figure out answers and learned along the way how to observe and research to learn whatever she needed to know. In 1995 when the internet was just coming into our sphere of experience, Barbara learned about it and created web pages and websites for the nonprofit for which she worked. Even with all the technical knowledge she amassed it took many years before she realized that even with all her smarts she was becoming a person who was being reshaped by a partner with his own low esteem and who constantly blamed her for everything that went wrong.   Eventually Barbara realized that something was wrong and began to look in ernest at her life and behavior. She realized that she had to make choices and regain her own self confidence and constructive view of herself. She changed her life and outlook and began growing again emotionally. Barbara tells us about her journey and even includes lessons she learned and wants to pass on to others.   In 2024 Barbara wrote and published her book, “Why Smart Girls Get Into Bad Relationships and How Not To Do It Again”. She is quick to point out that the book is not just for women. It is for anyone who may be facing a “bad relationship”. Barbara shares nine conclusions and thoughts from the book that illustrate why her writings can be so important for so many.   This episode is full of many great life lessons and observations. I do hope you not only enjoy it, but that you also gain some positive life choice ideas from it.     About the Guest:   Barbara Leigh grew up on a small dairy farm in Wisconsin and was considered in school to be a smart girl. She was not the type to get in trouble or make bad decisions. She was involved in lots of activities and did well in school.   She went off to Ripon College where she majored in Speech Communication and worked in the library. After graduation, she got a job in a library at a nonprofit. While working toward a Masters in Library and Information Science at UW-Milwaukee in 1995, she was taking an online searching class and was recruited to build a web site for her employer, being one of only a few employees that had even heard of the World Wide Web.   From there, Barbara built a career as a web developer and eventually moved to online learning and LMS integrations. In each career step she moved toward content, but eventually was directed back to the technical.   In the midst of all that, Barbara got married and had two children. She entered and contributed to bad relationships in her marriage, career and family until one day she decided to just stop. She has spent the last twenty years figuring out what it means to stop, how to continue living, and how to do it better. In 2024, she published a book, Why Smart Girls Get Into Bad Relationships and How Not To Do It Again, and in 2025, she took early retirement to get fully into content and do more writing. She currently writes the Helpfulmess blog which posts weekly. Ways to connect with Barbara:   Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/barbaraleighauthor/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/barbaraleighauthor Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/barbaraleighauthor.bsky.social Website: https://www.barbaraleighauthor.com     About the Host:   Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.   Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. 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Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson ** 01:20 Well, hello, everyone, wherever you happen to be today, around the world or in space, whatever the case happens to be, we're all in space anyway, so I guess that counts for something. But I'm really glad that you are here, and we're really going to have, I think, an interesting conversation today, because we, we have a person who has written an interesting book, at least. I think it's an interesting book. The title of the book is, why do smart girls get into bad relationships, and how to and how not to do it again. I think that's an interesting title. Smart Girls, I gotta say, though, Barbara, who is our guest, Barbara Leigh, I don't know. I think they're more than smart girls that get into bad relationships or just do dumb things. I don't know. Why is it that most people do dumb things, but that's a different story, and probably not what we're really going to cover today. But anyway, I want to welcome you to unstoppable mindset, and we're glad you're   Barbara Leigh ** 02:19 here. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Appreciate   Michael Hingson ** 02:23 it. Yeah, well, it is probably true. Why do, why do so many people get into challenges? Ah, but we cope with what we have to right? Yes, we do. Well. Well, I'm glad you're here. Thanks for for being here and being on unstoppable mindset. Really looking forward to having a chance to really chat. Why don't we start? If we can by you telling us a little bit about kind of the early Barbara growing up and all that. Alright, well, I grew up. How's that for a great way to start.   Barbara Leigh ** 02:52 That's a great, great way to start. I grew up on a small dairy farm in Wisconsin. I had two brothers and a sister, mom and dad and, you know, cats and a dog and cows. I lived in a small community. Everybody knew each other. Nothing really exciting about my childhood. I was in 4h and I was in lots of activities in school. I did great in school, and I was wildly shy as a small child, but I managed to get comfortable enough with that by being a 4h officer and being in in leadership positions in the activities that I was in. I went to off to college in Ripon, and I been busy working on being me ever since,   Michael Hingson ** 03:56 well, so you, you, you don't sound like you're very shy today,   Barbara Leigh ** 04:06 like I said, I tried to get past that. I'm still wildly introverted, but I'm at least, you know, able to speak in public. That's a   Michael Hingson ** 04:15 start. Well, that's a good you know, I'm I've always been amazed, and I hear it so often that the top fear today is public speaking. And I've never really, I know it's me, but I've never understood why it is, because I've always been somewhat used to doing it, but I think that people approach public speaking oftentimes with kind of the wrong idea, because I find that if people fear it, what they're really saying is they're afraid of the audience and what the audience might do. But I find that audiences generally don't tend to really want to view a speaker as being bad. They want speaker. To succeed. So it's always been a puzzlement to be as to why people are afraid of public speaking.   Barbara Leigh ** 05:07 Yeah, that is true. I was a Speech Communication major in college, and had to take public speaking as a course, and we had a guy in there that was just shook. His whole body. Shook it when he started out, and he by the end of the course, he was the best speaker there. I think he just needed to practice doing it and find out it's not so bad.   Michael Hingson ** 05:34 Well, what did he do? What do you have any notion of what what really eliminated his fear?   Barbara Leigh ** 05:41 I think he just got better each time. I think it really was just just getting up in front of people and finding out, yeah, they aren't gonna do anything. They're trying to do the same thing as me. They're trying to learn public speaking, and they're fine.   Michael Hingson ** 05:56 That's cool. Well, I know when I was a program director at our campus radio station at UC Irvine, I wanted everyone to listen to their their own shows. So we we wanted them to record the shows which they wouldn't do. So the engineer and I arranged for that to get done, and we made people listen to their shows, take the cassettes home and listen to them. And as I think about it, I think that probably more often than not, some of these people were in radio because they didn't have to stand up in front of an audience, and they didn't think about being in front of an audience and speaking so much. And so they did what they did, but when they were compelled, if you will, to listen to themselves, they got better. And they got better because they then heard what everybody else is hearing, and they taught themselves that they could really do better than than they thought they were doing, and that they thought that they could do. And I think that really makes a lot of difference. And some of those people actually ended up going into broadcasting as a as a career,   Barbara Leigh ** 07:01 that's great. Yeah, it really is. It's just a matter of getting used to your own voice. I mean, some people just really got annoyed, I guess is the word at their own voice, and they were like, I don't sound like that. Well, you don't sound like yourself inside your head. Yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 07:27 yeah. I know that when I hear myself talk, I do know that I sound different than I think I sound. And so again, that's part of what I work on. When I listen to recorded speeches, and I listen to what I say and how I say it, because I know what audiences like when they hear a speaker, so it gives me something to work toward. And that's a good thing. Yeah. So it is kind of fun. So you went off to school, you were in high school and all that and and did what? What people do in high school, I assume,   Barbara Leigh ** 08:07 yep, lots of groups. I was in library club and let's see Spanish club and music, musical and choir and various things. Yeah, normal stuff, yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 08:23 yeah. I did some of that. I was in the science club, and there was a math club. Wasn't in too many clubs, but I was in those two and and had a lot of fun with that. So it's, it's a good thing. And then, of course, as many of us do, then you went on to college. Where did you go to college? Ripping College. I've never heard of that college,   Barbara Leigh ** 08:49 very small liberal arts college,   Michael Hingson ** 08:52 which is all the better I am. I'm a fan of smaller colleges. I read in the book David and Goliath, the guy who invented the tipping point, wrote this book, and he talks about the fact that if more people would go to small colleges, they would discover that they could actually be kind of a larger fish in a small pond, rather than being a fish that isn't necessarily as large a fish in a very large pond. So the value of people going to to places that are smaller adds a lot of value, and you do get a lot more attention. And that's why, one of the reasons I think I went to UC Irvine, we had 2200 excuse me, 2700 students when I went there. Now there are 32,000 freshmen. My gosh, I can't believe how large it is. No, it's University California, Irvine UCI, which they always say lovingly, really, truly means under construction indefinitely. They're always building new things on the college. So.   Barbara Leigh ** 10:01 Yeah, ripen is, is under 1000 students total. And   Michael Hingson ** 10:07 what did you major in? I knew all my professors. It   10:09 was great. And   Michael Hingson ** 10:10 that's, that's cool. And I did as well. I and I got to know some of them very well. Actually, a couple, one of them even came to my wedding when my wife and I got married. Some, seven or eight, well, eight years after I graduated, or, well, six years after I graduated, but he, we invited him, and he came to the wedding. So that was kind of cool. What did you major in   Barbara Leigh ** 10:33 speech communication with a religion minor? All right.   Michael Hingson ** 10:37 Wow, that's an interesting combination. Why? Why a religion minor with with that religion   Barbara Leigh ** 10:43 has always intrigued me. I guess it's I am interested in people, and religion has such a strong effect on people, and so I really just wanted to learn more about various religions and and how they work.   Michael Hingson ** 11:01 So what do you what do you think about religion and our world today, and how much of an effect it it has?   Barbara Leigh ** 11:11 It's probably very big question. Yes, yes, I have that's like, one of the ideas for one of my next books is to dig into that I'm I have several ideas of things I want to cover, and that's one of them. But, yeah, it just it floors me that there can be so much variation in people who seem to believe the same things.   Michael Hingson ** 11:44 Yeah, yeah. It is. It is fascinating. I I've said ever since escaping from the World Trade Center on September 11, that what happened, no matter what those terrorists say, was not a reflection on the whole world of Islam and the Muslim faith, those were thugs who decided that they wanted to try to make the world bend to their will, if you will, and and they they did a pretty good job for a little while, but it wasn't a religious war, because I think most Muslims are not that way. That's true, and we shouldn't demonize that religion as such, especially since we could always go back and talk about the crusades in, you know what, 1066, and so on. And if we want to talk about Christianity and what it did, yeah, the reality is, everybody tries to do things in the name of religion, and it just doesn't make sense at all. It doesn't. But people try to justify anyway, which is, which is truly unfortunate. Well, so what did you do after you got a degree?   Barbara Leigh ** 12:47 Oh, let's see. I went off to Well, I got married. There you go, after graduation, and moved to the town where my my husband was living, and we I started working at K Mart, and from there, I went to outlet mall. I was the retail store manager, and then I got my job at a nonprofit, and I've been at that nonprofit for 34 years, until I retired, just not too long ago.   Michael Hingson ** 13:24 Wow. What's the nonprofit? Or can you say   Barbara Leigh ** 13:28 it's the international foundation of employee benefit plans? Okay,   Michael Hingson ** 13:33 well, that sounds pretty useful. You were there a long time, huh? I was wow.   Barbara Leigh ** 13:39 I moved around to multiple departments, but I was able to keep growing later, so I stayed   Michael Hingson ** 13:46 so you you were there 34 years. Wow, that is a long time. What? What did you What did you learn about life being there for so long? Wow, I was out for a general question, yeah.   Barbara Leigh ** 14:06 Well, I learned, boy, so many things I have. The foundation is an Educational Association. So I learned the actual benefits. Part of it, I have a Certified Employee Benefit Specialist designation, but also I learned a lot about people and work environments and and getting along with people, and I learned a lot about technology when I started at the foundation the the World Wide Web was not public yet, and while I was there, I was going to graduate school at UW Milwaukee. I. For library and information science. And while I was doing that, I was taking a an online searching course. And my boss, well, I worked in the library, so my boss asked me if I would create a website for the foundation, because nobody else in the building really had even heard of the World Wide Web yet. Yeah. So I learned all about web development and programming and all of that, just because I happened to be the only one that   Michael Hingson ** 15:40 knew, and using tools like Netscape, remember Netscape? Oh, yes, absolutely,   Barbara Leigh ** 15:50 yeah, wow. So yeah, I learned a lot of that, and then from from the library, I went to it, and was in a web developer for many years, and then from it, I went to educational programs where I was working with our learning management system and the integration with with our association management system. So I was, I was doing integrations, basically and but the things that I learned in technology careers that have helped me thus far have been I was doing a lot of troubleshooting. So I would, you know, a lot of times, you know, if you're in technology, no garbage in, garbage out. So when I get to a problem, I say, you know, there's this, there's garbage coming out, or there's nothing coming out at all. And I work back word through the process to get to the source data. And learning that you finding the source data and making sure that the source data is correct is really important. So I learned about a lot about working my way through systems to find that and also making sure that the systems work. So that has helped me a lot in in my life, because when I got into the situation where I needed to write this book about I managed to work my way back to the source of of the problem. And so the the source of the problem was my beliefs about me, about relationships, about other people. And so it was really helpful for me to have that process already in place in my brain, that I could just work my way back to that and Okay, now I can start from better data.   Michael Hingson ** 18:13 Yeah, do you think that working a lot in technology and perhaps some of the other areas where you worked. Do you think that that taught you more about how to observe and look at things and better be able to analyze them and and remembering them? I just find that so often people don't observe things. And I think learning to observe is extremely important to do   Barbara Leigh ** 18:45 absolutely yes, yes, when that's that's like all of my career was observing and and like you said, analyzing, being able to put what I've observed into what I want to happen, or what I would I need to communicate with other people. I think a lot of my career was, was connecting the right people to the right either technology or the or the other people, or just get making those connections.   Michael Hingson ** 19:30 But you had to learn how to observe people and draw conclusions and get that information to make that happen.   Barbara Leigh ** 19:38 Oh yes. And, you know, it's a process, just in growing up and watching people in general. Like I said, you know, religion was, was my thing, because people fascinate me. So I I've always been a people watcher, not like, go sit at the mall and watch people, but, I mean, yeah. I just really try to understand where people are coming from. And I think once I was in a technology career, it was even more important, because a lot of times in those careers people don't expect the technology person to be able to do that, and for me, that was the most important part with understanding the people, understanding what they wanted, what they were actually saying was not exactly what they wanted, and to try to get it get to what they wanted, and then to work with the system to be able to get what they wanted to come out correctly.   Michael Hingson ** 20:53 How did you discover that? How did you discover that people weren't necessarily saying what they really wanted, or that somehow it wasn't being articulated on it. And I understand that's a really tricky sort of thing. I know in asking myself that I just kind of respond by saying, it's just something you gain from a lot of experience, but you have to think about it. But you know, what do you think   Barbara Leigh ** 21:21 exactly? It's trial and error. You keep having people ask you for one thing and then expecting something else, until you figure out that you know what that's really not what they want, and to get them to verbalize, okay, what is it you want coming out of this? Is it? It's tricky.   Michael Hingson ** 21:47 Yeah, yeah, it is and, and it is something where you got to be pretty careful about how you do it and, and to whom you you focus your attentions to make that happen. Or if you've got some people who are difficult to deal with, and again, I guess that that helps you stretch and grow and you learn how to even deal with those people a little bit better, so that they're comfortable in interacting with you.   Barbara Leigh ** 22:14 Yeah, absolutely. But a big part of my job is making people feel comfortable enough to talk to me and, you know, and a lot of times when I would get a project, I would go to the person that that's using, whatever it is, and ask them, okay, you know, where are you getting this data? What do you want it to look like? And, you know, and ask them deeper questions. And, and these are often the people who are, you know, low man on the totem pole, and don't ever get asked, but those are the people that I needed to get to to find out what you know, where things were coming from, to actually give them what was going to work for them.   Michael Hingson ** 23:10 And that's interesting. You're saying, like, the low person on the totem pole doesn't get asked, and they're the ones that would love to be asked to be able to offer their opinions, so that that opens up whole new opportunities when you convey that you're you're willing to listen, and of course, that also then deals with the whole issue of trust. Because if they tell you something and say, Well, I want this incompetence, and you have to keep it that way. Yes, absolutely, trust is, is such a fleeting thing today, even though it's all around us, everywhere we go And everywhere we look. I mean, we trust that the roofs on our houses aren't going to collapse while we're doing this interview, this well, this conversation, and we trust that the internet is going to continue to work. It might, we'll see. But, but we trust in so many ways, but yet, unfortunately, we also confront, or are confronted by situations that try to teach us not to trust and to be close to trust, which is too bad. Yeah, one of the things that, that, that I talk about, actually, in my latest book, live like a guide dog, is trust. I talk about the fact that, in general, the difference between a dog and a person is while dogs love unconditionally, and I think that's true, although they can be taught not to, obviously, but while dogs love unconditionally, they don't trust unconditionally. But the difference between a dog and a person is that dogs are much more open to trust because we have just learned, or we've drawn the conclusion that we can't trust people, and so we lose that skill of being open to trust and trust. Truly learning how to determine whether we can trust any individual or not, rather than just saying we're not going to trust   Barbara Leigh ** 25:07 Right, absolutely, yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 25:10 which is, you know, which is so unfortunate? Well, I'm sure you've, you've encountered that a lot.   Barbara Leigh ** 25:17 I have, indeed, and you know that's that was part of my process, was learning how to trust again. And that's a slow, slow, hard process.   Michael Hingson ** 25:31 What, what caused you to start to learn not to trust? What? What happened in your life?   Barbara Leigh ** 25:38 Okay? Well, I want to talk about it, but, well, I won't go into too deep a detail, but yeah, I I was in a relationship where, you know, I was with a very a person has low self esteem, and because of that, I would get told that things were my fault, or things were if I hadn't done this, or if anything That happened really was was somehow brought back to me and as a person with higher self esteem, I took that as my personal responsibility, rather than looking at it as no, that's really Your choice, not, not something that I could cause, and that just kept eroding away at my confidence, and it ended up with me having no self esteem whatsoever. Wow. And then we, you know, I hit a point where an event happened, and I, you know, my brain went, nope, I don't deserve that. And that's where the light switch flipped, and I was to, you know, then I started looking around and going, you know what? I didn't deserve that, either or that, and that was not about me. And so then I started to measure against that, and go, Okay, I can set up boundaries now, because this is behavior that I won't accept anymore. And I was able to start making boundaries, and I was able to start standing up for myself. And, you know, as as that process went on, I was able to, I guess, it was motivate myself just by connecting, reconnecting with that higher self esteem person that I had been earlier. And so I would, you know, it honestly took a very long time, because I was at nothing, and at that point, I made a conscious effort to be gentle with myself and to be patient with myself and to accept myself and so with those being kind to myself thoughts, that's how I was able to move forward. And like I said, moving forward started motivating me, and I was able to bring myself back up to a higher self confidence.   Michael Hingson ** 29:02 Did you get? Oh, go ahead. Oh,   Barbara Leigh ** 29:04 but yeah. The the trust being gone was a trust for not just the person I was in a relationship with, but for so many things around me because I didn't trust myself. I didn't trust what I was believing about myself.   Michael Hingson ** 29:28 Did you hate yourself?   Barbara Leigh ** 29:31 I would not say that. I would say I just didn't understand myself. I would like I said, when I got to the bottom, I was able to say, I don't deserve that, so I wouldn't say hated myself. Yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 29:48 that's why I asked the question, because that was my impression of what from what you were saying. It wasn't a hate or a dislike, it was a recognition of what should be and what. And then how to deal with it?   Barbara Leigh ** 30:02 Yep, I was, you know, because I got there and, you know, the light switch went on, and I was like, how did I get here? How did this even happen? You know, it just, I couldn't understand.   Michael Hingson ** 30:18 But as you, as you progressed and as you learned about yourself, and that, of course, was part of it, is that you were learning about yourself and bringing yourself back the person you had a relationship with you weren't able to to, I gather, make positive steps to get them to to be a lot better than they were.   Barbara Leigh ** 30:43 That was not my focus. My focus was no boundaries, so that they couldn't hurt me anymore,   Michael Hingson ** 30:52 right, right? It wasn't a matter of you're trying to heal them, but setting boundaries and it would have it would have been nice if they had recognized what was going on. But that was the difference, is that you recognized and they did not right.   Barbara Leigh ** 31:06 And honestly, once I got to a place where I was back to being who I felt like me, he was able to look at that and take some motivation from that, and he actually went and got help through therapy as well. So it actually turned out way better than than expected, but   Michael Hingson ** 31:41 yeah, so are you guys still married? Yes, we are. Well, there you go. Okay, and that was what I was curious about. So he he did. It wasn't you can't, you can't fix everything because people have to fix themselves. But he was able to recognize that which was, which is so cool,   Barbara Leigh ** 32:02 yeah, honestly, I moved out twice. So, I mean, like I said, I set boundaries, yeah, but we made it work. I mean, like, like I said, when I first made the change I did. I was not strong enough to move to be on my own. I just wasn't. And so, you know, I just tried to be as patient with myself as possible, and and I just kept, kept those boundaries and okay, you can't talk to me like that. That's just not going to work. And as I moved forward, he kind of came along with me   Michael Hingson ** 32:47 well, and it sounds like you're both the better for it today.   Barbara Leigh ** 32:54 Oh, absolutely, yes, we've come a long way. I wouldn't say we're perfect for sure, but   Michael Hingson ** 33:01 it's a it's a process. Yes, it is. So what does he do for work or for a living?   Barbara Leigh ** 33:08 He is a sales person for a home improvement company.   Michael Hingson ** 33:11 Ah, ah, Home Improvement. Tim, the tool man, Taylor, but that's another story. Oh, gosh. Well, that's pretty cool. And does he do well at selling?   Barbara Leigh ** 33:25 Yes, he does that. He had his own business for for many years, and so it just comes pretty naturally to him.   Michael Hingson ** 33:34 Well, at the same time, if you're going to be good at sales, you have to learn to observe and and not take things too personally sometimes as well. I learned a lot about sales when I was confronted by needing to go into sales or finding another job, and then I took a Dale Carnegie sales course, and one of my favorite observations about sales is that the best salespeople are really counselors. They're teachers. They guide you in and help you make the right decision, rather than just trying to force something on you, which doesn't mean that they're not trying to make $1 and sell products, but you can also find that your product might not be what somebody wants, and if you push them into buying it, that's going to cost to cost you in the end anyway,   Barbara Leigh ** 34:24 right? And that's why he makes a good salesman, because he was he, he did the work for for 15 years, and at at his own company, and then he went, moved to sales, and just because his body was wearing out, and for because he knows how the product works, how it goes on the house or whatever, he can explain that to the customer, and that makes it so much easier for them to understand, you know, why they need what they need, and how it works.   Michael Hingson ** 34:59 Yeah. Yeah, and I have found that the better sales people really do understand how the product works, and they take the time to keep up with things, because that's going to make them better at what they do. Yes. So now you have children. How many children?   Barbara Leigh ** 35:16 Two, girl and a boy, and how old are they? 29 and 25   Michael Hingson ** 35:23 oh, they're just kids.   35:24 They're just kids   Michael Hingson ** 35:28 and and I know if they've gone into sales just checking no okay,   Barbara Leigh ** 35:36 and have no interest in doing that, what do they do? My daughter works in customer service, and my son is Air National Guard   Michael Hingson ** 35:47 member. Oh, okay, so it's hopefully it sounds like both of them have some really decent self esteem. Yes, they they learned that along the way from the two of you, which is good, which is a positive thing, which is, which is pretty cool, yeah. So you have retired from being with a nonprofit. You said you were there for 34 years, and what caused you to retire   Barbara Leigh ** 36:17 writing this book, I was, I'm looking at writing more and, you know, doing marketing and doing all the things book has been a lot to do and work full time, yeah, so I decided to give, give it my all.   Michael Hingson ** 36:35 Did you self publish or does the publisher publish it? Okay, yeah, which makes even more of a marketing responsibility for you. Although I think publishers are pushing more for most authors to do more to market their own books, rather than the publishers helping as much as perhaps they could. But nevertheless, well, tell us about the book. Then tell us, if you would tell us about that.   Barbara Leigh ** 37:01 Oh, it's why smart girls get into bad relationships, and how not to do it again. I started out with, well, basically the book is for people who want better relationships, not just women, but I. I started out with a smart girl title, because that is something I identify with. I think of it as an identity, because a lot of books on relationships are books written from the perspective of therapists or the perspective of people who have been abused or some kind of trauma or have addictions or something like that, and that's not, that's not who I am. And so I was trying to give a voice to, you know, average people have these problems too. So the smart girl identity is more about, really, like in high school, people would you know, who didn't know me? Well, what time I yearbook? You're so smart. Or people at work, thank you for fixing that. You're so smart, right? And I believed that. And what I believed was that reasonable humans make reasonable choices, and that's not always true, and so when I wrote the book here, or actually when I when I hit the bottom and I started looking back, I was like, I don't know how I got here. So how did I get here? I went through the process. I figured out that my beliefs weren't quite right, and they sounded good, but when I actually put them to action. They really didn't work. So the book is my process of of getting from bottom of the barrel self esteem back up to high self esteem, and looking at those beliefs and rewriting them.   Michael Hingson ** 39:23 So, um, how so like some of your beliefs that that didn't work. For example,   Barbara Leigh ** 39:28 I will read you a few of them if you don't mind. Okay, so, so you get the idea of where, where this goes. So Belief number there's nine of them. Belief number one, I can trust myself became, I can trust myself when I am being honest with myself, because I was lying to myself quite a bit of the time. It turns out, number two, I am a good helpful person became, I am a good helpful person, but that is not where I find my. Value, and that kind of blew me out of the water when I figured that one out. Number three, I'm smart, but I can't appear smarter than my partner. And that's where the focus on women comes in. It's kind of looks at the social oppression of women and how that affects your beliefs. You know, if you believe that stuff so, number three, became, I am smart and I don't have to hide it. Number four, I must guard my relationship, not only from outside, but from inside to became, I must guard my own boundaries to maintain my mental health and stay true to me. Number five, it is important to keep things steady and stable became keeping things steady and stable doesn't allow me to grow. Fear blocks my growth. Embracing the uncomfortable for a time helps me become better. That one was a hard one to learn how bad number six, self care is indulgent and not a priority. Became, self care is a high priority if I don't care take care of me, I can't be good at caring for anyone else. Numbers seven, I have emotional muscle, and I can muscle through anything became I have emotional muscle and I can use it to pull out of negative thoughts. I don't need to deny my emotions or wallow in them. Just recognize them, feel them, and continue to move all the way through them, and this one kind of hits home for my daughter. My daughter was diagnosed with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis at the age of 20 months, and she used her emotional muscle to muscle through her pain, because she didn't want to see the reaction of people feeling sorry for her, and so she had a lot of of using that emotional muscle to just not show people her pain and and that has been something that we've had to work on for a long time.   Michael Hingson ** 42:33 What did she discover? What did she finally do?   Barbara Leigh ** 42:37 Well, it's been a process, but she's finally actually showing her pain. She because, like she's had a cyst that burst in it. It wrapped around some things, and she couldn't tell the doctor in charge that that she was having that much pain. She she didn't make it a 10 on the pain scale. So the doctor didn't think that she was that, that these complications had happened, because most people couldn't even walk with this pain, but she could, because she's super high pain tolerance. Yeah, and, you know, she learned that she doesn't need to hide her pain, which was, which was pretty life shaking for her, and she's learned that, you know, she can actually tell her doctors, yes, I'm, I'm actually having some pain, and I I really need to have you work on this or or give me medication for this, or whatever. But, yeah, she's she's really come a long way as far as being honest with herself and with other people. Yeah, let's see. Number eight, I can rely on my smartness to figure it out became I can rely on my smartness and problem solving ability. But life isn't always logical. Sometimes I'm starting starting from a faulty belief I don't have to be perfect. It's okay to ask for help when I don't understand and get stuck. And that one it, it seems very obvious, but that one was really ingrained and kept coming up in different ways. Number nine, partial is enough, I can and should fill in. The rest became I am a whole person with my own thoughts, emotions, talents, hopes, dreams and goals. So if I want to be in a relationship, my significant other should see me as a whole person and should be a whole person themselves.   Michael Hingson ** 45:10 Wow, some pretty deep concepts, needless to say, Yeah, but by the same but by the same token, you were willing to step back and observe and think about yourself, so you were able to to create these conclusions and make these changes, which is what it's really all about?   Barbara Leigh ** 45:36 Yeah, I think that's what's different about my book, is that it's not written by a therapist or somebody who's at the other side. It's somebody who's actually in it, um, digging through it and and feeling it and it makes the, you know, it. I pulled apart the process and was, you know, you have to hit all of the things that the you know, the mental, emotional, physical, spiritual, social, all, all of the things to hold those beliefs out of all of the different places in your life where they stuck.   Michael Hingson ** 46:23 You think that people really have to, how do I say this? Go to the bottom or hit rock bottom before they can really start to learn?   Barbara Leigh ** 46:33 I hope not.   Michael Hingson ** 46:38 You did and I but I hear it a lot you really don't know until you hit rock bottom. And I'm not sure I totally buy that. It really depends on what you're able to learn and what you're able what conclusions you're able to draw. But a lot of times hitting rock bottom, if you will, maybe emotionally at least, brings people to where they need to be. But I am with you. I hope that it isn't always that way, and it doesn't need to always be that way,   Barbara Leigh ** 47:06 right? I think there's, there's different rock bottoms, you know? It's I got to the point where I needed to learn, and I learned, and that may not be what you and I would view as rock bottom to someone else, you know, but it's, you know, I finally, I finally flip the switch. And that's, you know, somebody else may have a switch at a different level than   Michael Hingson ** 47:40 or they may not see that there's a switch to flip which is, which is all about choice, yep. So what got you started down the road of writing the book?   Barbara Leigh ** 47:54 To be honest, I never thought I would write a book that was never, you know, a big goal in life for me, and I think it's totally a God thing, because I was, you know, my my daughter's been telling me, you need to write a book. You need to write a book for, you know, years. And I was like, yeah, yeah, sure, no product. And then all of a sudden it was time to write the book. And I was like, I don't know why it's time to write the book, but it's time to write the book. And honestly, it it flowed. I mean, I had all these great ideas for a book, and they went poof out the window when I wanted to start writing. I I just kind of sketched out an outline that was terrible, and showed it to a few people, and they're like, sure, you go. And I threw it away and just started writing. And once I started writing, it, it flowed. It actually just came out. And once I was in it a little, you know, a few chapters in, then I was able to organize it and figure out what I wanted to say and make an outline. But I couldn't do any of that until I just started writing. So I don't know, it was odd. And then I gave it to my son. I gave, like, the first two, two chapters, probably, to my son, and he read it, and he pushed it back over the table at me, and said big words. And I was like, okay, so I took it and I took out all the big words, and I made it more conversational. And now everybody who who has read it and and talk to me is like, you know, it just feels like a conversation with a good friend over a cup of   Michael Hingson ** 49:57 coffee. There you go for   Barbara Leigh ** 49:59 a glass of. Wine. So that's where it   Michael Hingson ** 50:03 got, yeah, it's, it's about not preaching, but presenting and teaching in a in a non confrontive way, which is what it's really about, which is what sales is about, Yeah, but that was very observant on his part to say that, yeah,   Barbara Leigh ** 50:24 you made it so much better.   Michael Hingson ** 50:28 When I wrote thunder dog, my first book I was I wrote it with someone. We collaborated. I had worked on it for a long time, or at least worked on ideas. And then Susie Flory called one day and she wanted, she was writing her own book, and she said, Tell me your story. And after I did, she said, You should write your own book, and I'll help you do it. And she did, one of the things that we had was that the book is about being in the World Trade Center, but it's also a lot about my life. And when we got it to the editor, because her agent, who became my agent, Chip McGregor, was able to sell it to Thomas Nelson publishing, which is now part of HarperCollins. But the editor said, My problem with this book is the transitions. And kind of said, well, what do you mean? He said, Well, you talk at the beginning of each chapter about an event on September 11, and then you you go back in your life, but you don't transition between the two. And then when you come back, you don't transition. And I get lost. And when he described that, it just immediately clicked what he was saying. And I actually then spent a weekend putting transitions in every chapter at the right places. And when he read that, he said, this is perfect. This is exactly what I was talking about. And when one of the major reviewers of the book, Kirkus, which reviews books for publishers and libraries and so on, when they reviewed it, they said one of the most powerful parts about it were the transitions. And so I appreciate what your son said, because sometimes the unexpected thing that someone says is what sends you down a road to make it a much better thought process and a much better book or a much better whatever than it would have been otherwise.   Barbara Leigh ** 52:22 Yeah, absolutely. I had a friend from college read it from an author perspective. So she's, she's written five books, and she gave me just, you know, really, she wrote fiction books so they weren't the same, but she gave me just really good authoring advice. As far as you know, you were used this word too many times, you know, things like that. And that was really, really helpful too to just, oh, okay, I get it. That would make it much more smooth. And you know, that was really helpful for me too, and it's just just to get feedback in any capacity is so helpful, I think,   Michael Hingson ** 53:12 well, and all of those comments that people give you help teach you how to write better. Yeah, absolutely. How has writing the book changed your perspective?   Barbara Leigh ** 53:24 Wow. Well, first thing, I had no idea about writing books or publishing or marketing or any of that, so that's been a whole big learning curve. But as far as you know, even even writing through the book helped teach me some things about the process as well. Just as far as relationships go, and talking through it with I had about a dozen people reading it at chapter by chapter as I got them done and and having getting that feedback from them, as far as you know, how it how it affected them, and it was really just so, I guess, helpful for me to learn what other people were were thinking when they're reading it. Because, you know, some of the things had never occurred to me, some of the things were for from friends who had been through some kind of childhood trauma. And I was kind of looking at, okay, I get what you're saying, and I think this that what you're telling me is you. This part is coming from your childhood trauma, but this other part is definitely something that I could add to my book, and I didn't want to make my book about trauma, because it really in my mind, was for the person that was just an average person, living an average life, having average relationship. However, my friends who have had childhood trauma have actually been the most affected by my book, which I find fascinating.   Michael Hingson ** 55:42 That's that's interesting, but it does make sense, because clearly you're trying to help people be more open about themselves, to themselves. And the people that that do that are the people that have been in situations where maybe they haven't, and they maybe intellectually realize that they need to grow and change, but they hadn't totally emotionally adopted that stance, and so you help them with that, which is cool.   Barbara Leigh ** 56:11 Yep, that's something I was expecting for sure.   Michael Hingson ** 56:15 No, understand. Now you have a blog also right, called helpfulness. Why is why is it called helpfulness? And what is it about?   Barbara Leigh ** 56:24 It is called helpful mess because when I was writing this book, I was writing about helpfulness and how that kind of steered me in the wrong direction, because that's where I was finding my value, and I had a typo that made it helpful. Mess, mess. Yeah, I said related to that mess. Yeah, it's like, that messy part. That's me. I So related to that that I ground onto that word. I was like, Okay, this word is mine,   Michael Hingson ** 56:56 well, and it really goes right along with the book and everything we've talked about today. Needless to say, Have you thought about doing things like starting a coaching program? Or do you do any of that?   Barbara Leigh ** 57:12 I do not. My daughter is, she is a life coach, and she has started a holistic nutrition program. So she's kind of doing that, that thing and, and I've never really been interested in doing that kind of thing. So I like you go. I will help you.   Michael Hingson ** 57:33 Okay, well, that's fair. I think we, we all do what we we feel we're best at, and it may come to the time where you'll suddenly discover that you're really better at it than you think, and that you could, you could coach people, or maybe not, but that's really something to look at.   Barbara Leigh ** 57:55 Yeah, I do want to focus on my writing for a while, but you know, when she's done with her program, maybe we'll get something   Michael Hingson ** 58:01 together. Well, there you go, and she lives close to you. Yeah,   Barbara Leigh ** 58:08 she's a half hour early, all right, so   Michael Hingson ** 58:10 Wisconsin home to everywhere, which is pretty cool. Well, so what would you advise? What kind of advice would you give to someone who's going through a lot of the things that you've gone through and so on? What would be the first thing that you would say to them to hopefully get them started down a different path of of life, rather than thinking so little of themselves and not really wanting to move forward,   Barbara Leigh ** 58:39 I would tell them they have options. You can leave your your value is not in how helpful you are, and be gentle and be kind to yourself and accept that you may not be coming from a belief that is true. And look, you know, try to see when you feel something that right, kind of off. Kind of look at your beliefs and you know, where is this coming from? Because a lot of times you can find it if you look hard enough, yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 59:31 it's about teaching people to truly develop the skill of self analysis, if you will. Yeah, which is something that we, we all ought to do more of we, we tend not to really look at ourselves. And it goes back to the same thing as the whole concept of the fear of public speaking, if we, if we step out of ourselves and look at what happened, we beat up on ourselves rather than recognize. Amazing. This is a teaching moment, and we can learn from it, rather than allowing it to just be something that beats us   Barbara Leigh ** 1:00:07 up. Yes, absolutely,   Michael Hingson ** 1:00:10 which makes a lot of sense. Well, I want to thank you for doing this. We've been we've been at this about an hour. Can you believe it? But I really enjoyed having you talk about it. Do you have any kind of last minute thoughts that you want to convey to people?   Barbara Leigh ** 1:00:30 Well, let's see. I guess if you think reasonable humans make reasonable choices, maybe rethink that. If you want to find my book, you can find it at my website. Let's see   Michael Hingson ** 1:00:48 and what's your website?   Barbara Leigh ** 1:00:51 Barbara Lee, author.com and Lee is l, e, i, G, H,   Michael Hingson ** 1:00:56 so it's Barbara Lee, author.com, yeah, cool. Well, I hope people will find it, and we'll, we'll read it. Is it's available? Is it a hard copy or ebook, or both, or both? Okay,   Barbara Leigh ** 1:01:16 and available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble Ingram, Apple, Google, not all the places   Michael Hingson ** 1:01:24 they're they're an audible version or an audio version,   Barbara Leigh ** 1:01:27 not yet something to work on asking, yeah, absolutely. I know I have two people that have been asking, and I well, I have to start making money before I can spend money on that.   Michael Hingson ** 1:01:43 Yeah, I hear you well, unless you read it yourself, which cuts the cost way down.   Barbara Leigh ** 1:01:49 Yeah, try that. I have no idea how to do that either, so that, you know, has added to my my pile of things I need to learn.   Michael Hingson ** 1:01:56 There you go. It's an adventure.   Barbara Leigh ** 1:01:57 Yes, absolutely, it's on the list. Well,   Michael Hingson ** 1:02:00 Barbara, thank you for being here. I really appreciate it, and I want to thank all of you for listening. I hope that this has been not only enjoyable, but educational and worth your time. Love to hear your thoughts. Love to get your your thoughts about this. So any of you who would we'd love to hear from you, please email me at Michael H, i@accessibe.com that's m, I, C, H, A, E, L, H, I at accessibe, A, C, C, E, S, S, i, b, e.com, wherever you're listening, please give us a five star review. We really appreciate those reviews, and especially we love five star reviews. We want positive reviews, but you give us your honest thoughts. We love that. We appreciate it, and we value your comments very highly. 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Marti Gobel is a nationally recognized actor, director and teaching artist. Upon graduating from UW-Whitewater in 2008 with a degree in Performance Theatre and Philosophy (with an emphasis in Religious Studies), Ms. Gobel began a rich career in both theatre and television and film. Her need to add to the tapestry of the mid-west professional theatre scene led to the founding of the now defunct UPROOTED theatre. As Producing Artistic Director (from 2009-2015)  worked tirelessly to diversify the arts through her efforts. Ms. Gobel is a current member of both Actors Equity Association and SAG-AFTRA.Selected Stage Credits include: Milwaukee Shakespeare (Henry IV, part 2), Milwaukee Chamber Theatre (Well, Around The World In 80 Days, Broken and Entered, Fires In the Mirror) Renaissance Theaterworks' (NEAT: Milwaukee, Sheboygan and South Africa, The Persians, Crumbs From the Table of Joy, The Violet Hour, Still, Sex With Strangers, The Roommate, Witch and a reading of Tanya Saracho's El Nogular and Gwendolyn Rice's The Griots), First Stage Children's Theatre (The Neverendingstory and readings of Jackie and Me, The Promised Land), The Milwaukee Repertory Theater (Clybourne Park, A Christmas Carol:2012-2014, Yankee Tavern, Trouble In Mind), Forward Theater (In The Next Room, Mr. Burns, Skeleton Crew, Mom, How Did You Meet The Beatles) and UPROOTED theatre (Beauty's Daughter: Milwaukee, Chicago and Memphis, A Streetcar Named Desire, Yellowman, Crumbs From the Table of Joy, *Pink Champagne, Jack and Jill, Hoo Doo Love, Oleanna, I Have Before Me A Remarkable Document Given To Me By A Young Lady From Rwanda, The Philadelphia Story, *Man From Madisonville, The Sunset Limited, Suddenly Last Summer), Next Act Theatre (Perfect Mendacity, No Child, Twilight: Los Angles, The Taming, The Christians), and Theatre Lila (No Child). Marti plays an ongoing role as the Civil Rights suffragist, Ida B. Wells for the Kenosha Civil War Museum in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and is often featured in local and regional commercials and voice-overs. She appeared in the short film, Spare Change, as well as the web-series Gettin' Grown; both directed by the award-winning film director Aaron Greer and Faith Flix's Come Follow Me, Mary, Mother of Jesus and the feature film Game Day produced by Chicago Studio City. National television credits include NBC's Chicago PD in addition to several regional commercials.University Productions include: Airness (Hendrix College), Wine In the Wilderness, Crumbs From the Table of Joy, The Light (Marquette University), Trojan Women (UW-Milwaukee).Marti has served as a lead teacher at First Stage Theatre Academy in Milwaukee as well as a lead teacher and program designer for UPROOTED theatre's education department. Past adjunct professor assignments at Marquette University, UW-Milwaukee and Carthage College. She is a JF Kennedy Center trained Teaching Artist who worked closely with Master Educator, Randy Barron for 6 months developing her residency which is now offered through The Young Auditorium and The Overture Center. She currently serves as Artistc Consultant for Black Arts MKE. Ms. Gobel will serve for a third term as a KCACTF adjudicator for Region III.Ms. Gobel is a Jeff Nominated Director for her work on Is God Is with A Red Orchid Theatre and the recipient of 2024 Black Excellence Award for Outstanding Director.She currently serves as Producing Artistic Director and Education Coordinator for OnWord Theatre in San Diego, CA. *Indicates World Premiere'sWebsite: OnWord TheatreInstagram: Instagram (@OnWordTheatre)Facebook: OnWord Theatre | San Diego CABox Office Email: info@OnWordTheatre.comWant a video experience? Check out our YouTube channel! We're now uploading video episodes!This episode:https://youtu.be/XJnZnBJVkKwGeneral channel:http://www.youtube.com/@intheartscene

Wisconsin voters are casting ballots today in a high-stakes Supreme Court race. They're also deciding the next state superintendent and a ballot measure on Wisconsin's voter ID law. The Universities of Wisconsin Board of Regents' picked the next UW-Milwaukee chancellor. And, some Milwaukee Brewers fans and players reminisced the life and legacy of Bob Uecker before their Opening Day.

What happens when a legendary NFL team partners with a tech giant to fuel regional innovation?In this episode of The TechEd Podcast, host Matt Kirchner sits down with Jill Enos, Managing Partner at TitletownTech — the one-of-a-kind venture firm backed by the Green Bay Packers and Microsoft. Jill unpacks how TitletownTech is redefining early-stage investing by embedding startups directly into industry, education, and community. From AI labs and autonomous robotics to sustainable agtech and nuclear fusion, Jill reveals how the Midwest is quietly leading a new era of tech-driven economic development.Listen to learn:How TitletownTech blends NFL roots with global tech leadership to drive innovationWhy Microsoft chose Wisconsin for its new $3.3B data center and AI Co-Innovation LabWhat makes the Midwest the perfect launchpad for startups solving real-world problemsHow venture-backed founders are tackling challenges in energy, logistics, and healthcareWhy exposure to problems — not solutions — is the secret to educating tomorrow's innovators3 Big Takeaways from this Episode:Public-private partnerships can fuel real innovationTitletownTech was founded through a unique partnership between the Green Bay Packers and Microsoft, later joined by 25+ corporate investors like Schneider, Kohler, and AT&T. This model provides startups with not only capital but direct access to strategic partners, industry leaders, and market feedback that accelerates growth.The Midwest is a powerful engine for emerging technologiesTitletownTech has invested in over 30 companies, including Realta Fusion (nuclear energy), Fork Farms (agtech), GenLogs (freight intelligence), and Cobionics (healthcare robotics). Microsoft's $3.3 billion data center in Mount Pleasant and the launch of the AI Co-Innovation Lab in partnership with UW-Milwaukee are cementing Wisconsin's place as a tech and AI hub.Solving the right problem matters more than having the right answerJill Enos emphasizes that successful founders are “obsessed with the problem” rather than fixated on one solution — a mindset educators should instill in students. Startups like Springbok Analytics, which uses AI to create digital twins of MRIs, thrive by iterating solutions through real-time market feedback and strategic industry partnerships.Resources in this Episode:Learn more about TitletownTech: https://www.titletowntech.com/Partnerships mentioned in this episode:AI Co-Innovation Lab (UWM + Microsoft + TitletownTech)Microsoft Data Center (listen to our conversation with Microsoft VP Mary Snapp)Dive deeper into some of TitletownTech's portfolio companies that were featured in this episode:Fork Farms - Indoor hydroponicsCobionix - Heathcare robotics & autonomous ultrasoundsGenLogs - Freight intelligenceRealta FusWe want to hear from you! Send us a text message.Instagram - Facebook - YouTube - TikTok - Twitter - LinkedIn

Who is funding the candidates for Wisconsin Supreme Court. A conversation between two abortion providers in Wisconsin. All about the recent Black Feminist Symposium event at UW-Milwaukee.

UW–Milwaukee recently hosted its 5th Annual Black Feminist Symposium—a space dedicated to discussing the theory and practice of Black feminism.

Wisconsin farmers and the impact of federal funding freezes. The effect of Medicaid cuts on Wisconsinites. A UW-Milwaukee professor shares her experience researching ocean volcanoes. The Wish You Knew podcast.

No more Horizon League teams from Wisconsin are standing after UW-Milwaukee's loss last night. Plus, Alex Ovechkin is a one-trick pony.

Greg recaps Wednesday's college basketball results, talks to Mid Major Matt Josephs of ESPN Radio in Richmond about how he is analyzing these mid-major conference tournaments and playing games this time of year both game to game & from a futures perspective, & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Thursday CBB Game! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 4:32-Recap of Wednesday’s results 19:49-Interview with Mid Major Matt Josephs 42:25-Start of picks FL Atlantic vs UAB 45:00-Picks & analysis for Tulane vs East Carolina 48:04-Picks & analysis for Niagara vs St. Peter’s 50:54-Picks & analysis for Fairfield vs Siena 53:33-Picks & analysis for Canisius vs Rider 56:03-Picks & analysis for Sacred Heart vs Manhattan 58:33-Picks & analysis for Mount St. Mary’s vs Quinnipiac 1:01:12-Picks & analysis for Merrimack vs Marist 1:03:31-Picks & analysis for UTEP vs Sam Houston St 1:06:28-Picks & analysis for New Mexico St vs Louisiana Tech 1:09:22-Picks & analysis for Liberty vs Middle Tennessee 1:12:10-Picks & analysis for FL International vs Western KY 1:15:23-Picks & analysis for Wichita St vs Rice 1:18:00-Picks & analysis for Utah Valley vs Ab Christian 1:20:54-Picks & analysis for Michigan St vs Iowa 1:23:51-Picks & analysis for Seattle vs Southern Utah 1:26:17-Picks & analysis for UC Irvine vs UC Davis 1:28:49-Picks & analysis for Charlotte vs North Texas 1:31:01-Picks & analysis for Utah Tech vs Grand Canyon 1:33:57-Picks & analysis for Hawaii vs CS Bakersfield 1:36:23-Picks & analysis for CS Fullerton vs Cal Poly 1:38:28-Picks & analysis for CS Northridge vs UC Riverside 1:41:58-Picks & analysis for Tarleton vs Cal Baptist 1:43:21-Picks & analysis for Long Beach St vs UC San Diego 1:45:28-Picks & analysis for Indiana St vs Northern IL 1:47:35-Picks & analysis for Missouri St vs Illinois St 1:50:05-Picks & analysis for Evansville vs Murray St 1:53:00-Picks & analysis for Valparaiso vs IL Chicago 1:55:41-Picks & analysis for San Diego vs Pacific 1:58:34-Picks & analysis for Georgia St vs Georgia St 2:00:18-Picks & analysis for Old Dominion vs Texas St 2:02:41-Picks & analysis for UT Martin vs Little Rock 2:05:23-Picks & analysis for Lindenwood vs Tennessee St 2:07:41-Picks & analysis for UMKC vs Omaha 2:09:57-Picks & analysis for Denver vs St. Thomas 2:12:03-Picks & analysis for Fort Wayne vs Youngstown St 2:14:54-Picks & analysis for Oakland vs UW Milwaukee 2:17:19-Picks & analysis for Northern KY vs Cleveland St 2:19:47-Picks & analysis for Wright St vs Robert Morris 2:22:14-Start of extra games Alabama A&M vs Grambling 2:24:25-Picks & analysis for Jackson St vs Ark Pine Bluff 2:26:49-Picks & analysis for Norfolk St vs Howard 2:29:13-Picks & analysis for MD East Shore vs Delaware St 2:31:22-Picks & analysis for NC Central vs So Carolina St 2:33:48-Picks & analysis for Morgan St vs Coppin St 2:35:49-Picks & analysis for Alcorn St vs Miss Valley St 2:37:49-Picks & analysis for Alabama St vs Southern 2:40:07-Picks & analysis for Army vs Colgate 2:42:18-Picks & analysis for Navy vs Boston U 2:44:19-Picks & analysis for Lafayette vs American 2:46:35-Picks & analysis for Loyola MD vs Bucknell 2:48:57-Picks & analysis for Jacksonville vs North Alabama 2:51:24-Picks & analysis for Queens NC vs LipscombSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today's show is a broadcast of our latest Lake Effect On-Site event at UW-Milwaukee where we celebrated WUWM's 60th Birthday by looking back on our history.

Student journalists at UW-Milwaukee spent a semester investigating cases of missing people of color in Milwaukee, and now they're sharing what they have learned.

On this episode, speak with Dr. Anika Wilson, The African American Folklorist of the Month for March! Wilson discusses her book, methodology, scholarship, and positionality as a Black Academic in the field. Anika Wilson (she/her) is Associate Professor and former chair of the Department African and African Diaspora Studies at UW-Milwaukee. She earned her doctorate in Folklore and Folklife Studies at the University of Pennsylvania and specializes in informal narratives (gossip, rumor, etc.). Her book Folklore, Gender, and AIDS in Malawi: No Secret Under the Sun (2013) was awarded the Elli Kongas Maranda Award for feminist scholarship in folklore in 2014. She teaches course topics related to African and African diasporic societies, expressive cultures, spirituality, and gender relations. Her current research project focuses on spirituality, sacredness, and the environment in southern Africa. ( American Folklore Society )

It is another Saturday extravaganza, there’s over 130 college basketball games on the betting board & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY one of them! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 4:35-Start of picks Maryland vs Penn State 6:26-Picks & analysis for Miami vs North Carolina 8:29-Picks & analysis for Clemson vs Virginia 10:50-Picks & analysis for St. Joseph’s vs Fordham 13:40-Picks & analysis for Syracuse vs Virginia Tech 16:16-Picks & analysis for Connecticut vs Virginia Tech 19:14-Picks & analysis for Butler vs Villanova 22:12-Picks & analysis for Auburn vs Kentucky 25:04-Picks & analysis for Chattanooga vs VMI 27:40-Picks & analysis for Miami OH vs Ohio 30:32-Picks & analysis for Youngstown St vs Northern KY 33:04-Picks & analysis for Arkansas vs South Carolina 35:46-Picks & analysis for East Tennessee vs The Citadel 38:06-Picks & analysis for Ball St vs Bowling Green 41:18-Picks & analysis for Tulane vs Tulsa 43:30-Picks & analysis for Jacksonville St vs FL International 45:57-Picks & analysis for Richmond vs Dayton 48:17-Picks & analysis for Furman vs Wofford 50;55-Picks & analysis for Monmouth vs Drexel 53:50-Picks & analysis for Northeastern vs William & Mary 56:33-Picks & analysis for Oklahoma vs Ole Miss 59:08-Picks & analysis for Minnesota vs Nebraska 1:01:21-Picks & analysis for Texas Tech vs Kansas 1:03:56-Picks & analysis for George Mason vs Duquesne 1:06:21-Picks & analysis for Oral Roberts vs Omaha 1:09:46-Picks & analysis for No Carolina A&T vs Hofstra 1:12:33-Picks & analysis for Air Force vs New Mexico 1:14:56-Picks & analysis for Seton Hall vs St. John’s 1:17:51-Picks & analysis for Wright St vs IU Indianapolis 1:20:14-Picks & analysis for South Dakota St vs Denver 1:22:35-Picks & analysis for NC State vs Georgia Tech 1:24:50-Picks & analysis for Ab Christian vs UT Arlington 1:27:03-Picks & analysis for LSU vs Mississippi St 1:29:22-Picks & analysis for Fort Wayne vs Cleveland St 1:32:30-Picks & analysis for Alabama vs Tennessee 1:34:54-Picks & analysis for Loyola IL vs Saints Louis 1:37:27-Picks & analysis for Mid Tennessee vs UTEP 1:39:44-Picks & analysis for Central Florida vs TCU 1:42:15-Picks & analysis for USC vs Oregon 1:44:51-Picks & analysis for Detroit vs UW Milwaukee 1:47:02-Picks & analysis for Hampton vs Towson 1:49:21-Picks & analysis for Montana St vs Sacramento St 1:51:59-Picks & analysis for Yale vs Harvard 1:54:07-Picks & analysis for Samford vs NC Greensboro 1:56:21-Picks & analysis for Brown vs Dartmouth 1:58:35-Picks & analysis for Utah St vs Colorado St 2:00:54-Picks & analysis for Southern Utah vs Utah Valley 2:03:39-Picks & analysis for Lindenwood vs Tennessee Tech 2:05:39-Picks & analysis for Creighton vs Xavier 2:08:01-Picks & analysis for Western MI vs Northern Illinois 2:11:17-Picks & analysis for Western Carolina vs Mercer 2:13:33-Picks & analysis for Little Rock vs SIU Edwardsville 2:16:34-Picks & analysis for SE Missouri vs Eastern IL 2:19:09-Picks & analysis for Morehead St vs UT Martin 2:22:03-Picks & analysis for Toledo vs Buffalo 2:24:17-Picks & analysis for Cincinnati vs Houston 2:27:01-Picks & analysis for Southern Indy vs Tennessee St 2:29:35-Picks & analysis for Northern Dakota vs South Dakota 2:31:46-Picks & analysis for Weber St vs Idaho 2:34:06-Picks & analysis for Montana vs Portland St 2:36:11-Picks & analysis for CS Bakersfield vs Cal Poly 2:39:02-Picks & analysis for SMU vs Stanford 2:41:23-Picks & analysis for Idaho St vs Eastern Washington 2:43:21-Picks & analysis for Notre Dame vs Wake Forest 2:46:02-Picks & analysis for Louisiana Tech vs Sam Houston 2:48:26-Picks & analysis for Campbell vs Charleston 2:50:32-Picks & analysis for Pittsburgh vs Louisville 2:52:35-Picks & analysis for Rhode Island vs Massachusetts 2:54:43-Picks & analysis for Elon vs Stony Brook 2:56:40-Picks & analysis for Indiana vs Washington 2:58:21-Picks & analysis for La Salle vs George Washington 3:00:40-Picks & analysis for Pennsylvania vs Columbia 3:02:36-Picks & analysis for Western KY vs New Mexico St 3:04:50-Picks & analysis for Missouri vs Vanderbilt 3:07:05-Picks & analysis for Boise St vs Fresno St 3:09:10-Picks & analysis for Delaware vs UNC Wilmington 3:10:49-Picks & analysis for Oakland vs UW Milwaukee 3:13:00-Picks & analysis for Florida St vs Duke 3:14:52-Picks & analysis for Arizona St vs Utah 3:17:07-Picks & analysis for Santa Clara vs Pacific 3:19:07-Picks & analysis for UMKC vs St. Thomas 3:21:23-Picks & analysis for Georgia vs Texas 3:23:12-Picks & analysis for Marquette vs Georgetown 3:24:55-Picks & analysis for Oklahoma St vs Baylor 3:26:49-Picks & analysis for Santa Barbara vs CS Northridge 3:28:10-Picks & analysis for San Diego St vs Wyoming 3:30:09-Picks & analysis for Texas A&M vs Florida 3:31:51-Picks & analysis for Northern CO vs Northern AZ 3:33:57-Picks & analysis for Cal Baptist vs Utah Tech 3:35:40-Picks & analysis for Arizona vs Iowa St 3:37:33-Picks & analysis for Portland vs San Diego 3:39:35-Picks & analysis for Grand Canyon vs Seattle 3:41:37-Picks & analysis for Washington St vs Pepperdine 3:43:18-Picks & analysis for Oregon St vs St. Mary’s 3:44:52-Picks & analysis for Long Beach St vs UC Irvine 3:46:31-Picks & analysis for Boston College vs California 3:48:07-Picks & analysis for West Virginia vs BYU 3:49:49-Picks & analysis for CS Fullerton vs UC San Diego 3:50:57-Picks & analysis for Gonzaga vs San Francisco 3:52:36-Picks & analysis for UC Davis vs Hawaii 3:57:17-Start of extra games Lafayette vs Boston U 3:59:36-Picks & analysis for Binghamton vs UMass Lowell 4:01:36-Picks & analysis for Vermont vs UMBC 4:03:38-Picks & analysis for Lehigh vs Army 4:05:10-Picks & analysis for Chicago St vs St. Francis PA 4:07:15-Picks & analysis for Longwood vs USC Upstate 4:09:26-Picks & analysis for Albany vs NJIT 4:11:05-Picks & analysis for Bucknell vs Holy Cross 4:13:05-Picks & analysis for Bryant vs Maine 4:15:09-Picks & analysis for Gardner Webb vs Presbyterian 4:17:27-Picks & analysis for Charleston So vs Radford 4:19:35-Picks & analysis for America vs Colgate 4:21:40-Picks & analysis for Incarnate Word vs East Texas A&M 4:23:53-Picks & analysis for Alabama A&M vs Alabama St 4:25:31-Picks & analysis for Long Island vs Fair Dickinson 4:27:32-Picks & analysis for Prairie View vs Alcorn St 4:29:28-Picks & analysis for Morgan St vs MD East Shore 4:32:00-Picks & analysis for Coppin St vs Delaware St 4:34:03-Picks & analysis for Norfolk St vs So Carolina St 4:36:33-Picks & analysis for UNC Asheville vs Winthrop 4:38:08-Picks & analysis for Loyola MD vs Navy 4:39:50-Picks & analysis for Howard vs NC Central 4:41:19-Picks & analysis for Texas Southern vs Jackson St 4:43:02-Picks & analysis for HOU Christian vs Northwestern St 4:44:47-Picks & analysis for Le Moyne vs Stonehill 4:46:35-Picks & analysis for SE Louisiana vs Texas A&M CC 4:48:28-Picks & analysis for New Orleans vs Rio Grande Valley 4:50:10-Picks & analysis for Southern vs Bethune Cookman 4:52:16-Picks & analysis for Cen Connecticut vs Wagner 4:53:52-Picks & analysis for Grambling vs Florida A&M 4:55:41-Picks & analysis for Nicholls vs Stephen F Austin 4:56:58-Picks & analysis for Ark Pine Bluff vs Miss Valley St 5:01:21-Picks & analysis for Lamar vs McNeeseSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Wednesday's college basketball results, talks to Ryan McIntyre of the Sports Gambling Podcast Network about the Big XII landscape, attributes in teams and conferences that can be sneaky in March, & Thursday’s games, & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Thursday CBB Game! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 4:05-Recap of Wednesday’s results 23:35-Interview with Ryan McIntyre 39:29-Start of picks Samford vs VMI 41:34-Picks & analysis for Robert Morris vs IU Indianapolis 43:30-Picks & analysis for North Texas vs FL Atlantic 46:01-Picks & analysis for Delaware vs Charleston 48:11-Picks & analysis for Elon vs Monmouth 50:44-Picks & analysis for Hofstra vs Stony Brook 53:20-Picks & analysis for Kennesaw St vs FL International 56:07-Picks & analysis for No Carolina A&T vs Northeastern 58:41-Picks & analysis for UNC Wilmington vs Campbell 1:01:20-Picks & analysis for Hamoton vs Drexel 1:03:30-Picks & analysis for William & Mary vs Towson 1:06:26-Picks & analysis for Jacksonville St vs Liberty 1:09:36-Picks & analysis for Detroit vs UW Green Bay 1:12:07-Picks & analysis for Chattanooga vs NC Greensboro 1:14:26-Picks & analysis for Cleveland St vs Wright St 1:16:47-Picks & analysis for Northern Kentucky vs Fort Wayne 1:19:12-Picks & analysis for North Dakota vs St. Thomas 1:21:24-Picks & analysis for Oakland vs UW Milwaukee 1:23:28-Picks & analysis for Denver vs UMKC 1:25:47-Picks & analysis for Ab Christian vs Tarleton St 1:28:31-Picks & analysis for So Dakota St vs Oral Roberts 1:30:59-Picks & analysis for Morehead St vs Tennessee St 1:33:17-Picks & analysis for Western IL vs Tennessee Tech 1:35:46-Picks & analysis for Little Rock vs Eastern IL 1:38:06-Picks & analysis for SE Missouri St vs SIU Edwardsville 1:40:39-Picks & analysis for Southern Indiana vs UT Martin 1:43:34-Picks & analysis for UAB vs Wichita St 1:46:00-Picks & analysis for Mid Tennessee vs New Mexico St 1:48:16-Picks & analysis for Western Kentucky vs UTEP 1:51:07-Picks & analysis for Rutgers vs Michigan 1:53:23-Picks & analysis for Weber St vs Eastern Washington 1:55:59-Picks & analysis for UT Arlington vs Grand Canyon 1:58:21-Picks & analysis for Idaho St vs Idaho 2:00:11-Picks & analysis for Southern Utah vs Utah Tech 2:02:30-Picks & analysis for San Diego vs Washington St 2:04:56-Picks & analysis for Pepperdine vs Portland 2:07:10-Picks & analysis for Cal Poly vs Santa Barbara 2:09:09-Picks & analysis for Cal Baptist vs Seattle 2:11:56-Picks & analysis for UC Irvine vs CS Fullerton 2:14:02-Picks & analysis for Montana vs Sacramento St 2:16:10-Picks & analysis for Montana St vs Portland St 2:18:31-Picks & analysis for CS Bakersfield vs Long Beach St 2:20:47-Picks & analysis for UC San Diego vs CS Northridge 2:22:55-Picks & analysis for St. Mary’s vs Loyola Marymount 2:24:57-Picks & analysis for UC Riverside vs Hawaii 2:27:10-Start of extra games Bryant vs UMass Lowell 2:29:18-Picks & analysis for Albany vs UMBC 2:31:32-Picks & analysis for Vermont vs NJIT 2:33:44-Picks & analysis for Stonehill vs Fair Dickinson 2:35:51-Picks & analysis for Le Moyne vs Central CT 2:38:07-Picks & analysis for Wagner vs Long Island 2:40:29-Picks & analysis for Maine vs New Hampshire 2:42:45-Picks & analysis for Chicago St vs Mercyhurst 2:44:41-Picks & analysis for Winthrop vs LongwoodSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Saturday's college basketball results, talks to Justin Perri of Shot Quality Bets about gauging teams that might be underperforming, looking at coaching this time of year, & Sunday’s Connecticut vs St. John’s game, & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Sunday CBB Game! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 4:50-Recap of Saturday's results 29:10-Interview with Justin Perri 49:52-Start of picks Connecticut vs St. John’s 52:51-Picks & analysis for North Texas vs South Florida 55:48-Picks & analysis for IU Indianapolis vs Northern KY 58:16-Picks & analysis for Merrimack vs Iona 1:00:31-Picks & analysis for Indiana vs Purdue 1:03:35-Picks & analysis for FL Atlantic vs Memphis 1:06:09-Picks & analysis for Temple vs UAB 1:08:54-Picks & analysis for UT San Antonio vs East Carolina 1:11:44-Picks & analysis for Tulane vs Wichita St 1:13:41-Picks & analysis for Sacred Heart vs St. Peter’s 1:16:07-Picks & analysis for Rider vs Mount St. Mary’s 1:18:35-Picks & analysis for Canisius vs Siena 1:20:44-Picks & analysis for Niagara vs Marist 1:23:04-Picks & analysis for Quinnipiac vs Manhattan 1:26:05-Picks & analysis for Xavier vs Seton Hall 1:28:49-Picks & analysis for UW Milwaukee vs Robert Morris 1:31:14-Picks & analysis for UW Green Bay vs Youngstown St 1:33:56-Picks & analysis for UMKC vs South Dakota St 1:36:45-Picks & analysis for Cleveland St vs Oakland 1:39:05-Picks & analysis for Ohio St vs UCLA 1:41:16-Picks & analysis for Drake vs Northern Iowa 1:43:53-Picks & analysis for Arizona St vs Kansas St 1:46:27-Picks & analysis for Georgetown vs Creighton 1:48:45-Picks & analysis for Utah vs Central Florida 1:51:07-Picks & analysis for USC vs Rutgers 1:53:37-Start of extra games Colgate vs Loyola MD 1:56:18-Picks & analysis for Army vs Bucknell 1:58:52-Picks & analysis for Holy Cross vs NavySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Thursday's college basketball results, talks to Mid Major Matt Josephs of ESPN Radio Richmond about the Atlantic 10 and SEC landscape & playing team totals against bad defensive teams, & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Thursday CBB Game! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 5:57-Recap of Thursday's results 20:43-Interview with Mid Major Matt Josephs 35:21-Start of picks Bowling Green vs Toledo 37:58-Picks & analysis for St. Peter’s vs Mount St. Mary’s 41:04-Picks & analysis for Dayton vs Loyola Chicago 43:55-Picks & analysis for Marquette vs Villanova 46:32-Picks & analysis for Fairfield vs Rider 49:38-Picks & analysis for Niagara vs Siena 53:31-Picks & analysis for Canisius vs Marist 56:29-Picks & analysis for Manhattan vs Iona 59:36-Picks & analysis for Dartmouth vs Pennsylvania 1:02:37-Picks & analysis for Cleveland St vs Detroit 1:06:16-Picks & analysis for Northern KY vs Wright St 1:09:37-Picks & analysis for Harvard vs Princeton 1:12:13-Picks & analysis for Oakland vs Fort Wayne 1:15:22-Picks & analysis for UW Green Bay vs Robert Morris 1:18:43-Picks & analysis for Cornell vs Yale 1:21:35-Picks & analysis for Columbia vs Brown 1:25:12-Picks & analysis for Sacred Heart vs Merrimack 1:28:23-Picks & analysis for Michigan St vs Michigan 1:31:05-Picks & analysis for Kent St vs Miami OH 1:34:28-Picks & analysis for UW Milwaukee vs Youngstown StSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Saturday's college basketball results talks to Rob Donaldson about why he targets mostly mid-major games on Saturday, reacts to Saturday's big results, & looks at Sunday’s games, & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Sunday CBB Game! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 4:59-Recap of Saturday’s results 24:55-Interview with Rob Donaldson 44:26-Picks & analysis for Siena vs Sacred Heart 47:08-Picks & analysis for FL Atlantic vs Temple 50:01-Picks & analysis for Memphis vs Wichita St 52:42-Picks & analysis for Mount St. Mary’s vs Canisius 55:09-Picks & analysis for Michigan vs Ohio St 57:43-Picks & analysis for Bradley vs Drake 1:00:40-Picks & analysis for Rider vs St. Peter’s 1:03:07-Picks & analysis for Manhattan vs Fairfield 1:05:27-Picks & analysis for Iona vs Quinnipiac 1:08:04-Picks & analysis for South Dakota St vs South Dakota 1:11:50-Picks & analysis for Marist vs Merrimack 1:14:40-Picks & analysis for Creighton vs St. John’s 1:18:06-Picks & analysis for Missouri St vs IL Chicago 1:21:03-Picks & analysis for Northern KY vs UW Milwaukee 1:23:14-Picks & analysis for Nebraska vs Northwestern 1:26:22-Picks & analysis for Detroit vs Oakland 1:28:41-Picks & analysis for Wright St vs UW Green Bay 1:31:36-Picks & analysis for Youngstown St vs Cleveland St 1:34:45-Picks & analysis for Utah St vs New Mexico 1:37:08-Picks & analysis for South Florida vs UAB 1:39:28-Picks & analysis for Northern Iowa vs Murray St 1:42:15-Picks & analysis for Iowa vs Maryland 1:45:03-Picks & analysis for Rutgers vs Oregon 1:47:42-Picks & analysis for Louisville vs Notre Dame 1:50:41-Picks & analysis for Valparaiso vs EvansvilleSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It is a simple podcast, there are over 150 college basketball games on the board for Saturday & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY one of them! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 6:42-Start of picks Richmond vs Davidson 9:03-Picks & analysis for Tennessee vs Oklahoma 11:36-Picks & analysis for Oregon vs Michigan St 14:16-Picks & analysis for Seton Hall vs Georgetown 16:27-Picks & analysis for South Carolina vs Kentucky 18:57-Picks & analysis for FL Atlantic vs Tulsa 21:36-Picks & analysis for TCU vs Iowa St 24:05-Picks & analysis for The Citadel vs VMI 27:15-Picks & analysis for Youngstown St vs Detoti 28:50-Picks & analysis for Michigan vs Indiana 31:03-Picks & analysis for Texas vs Vanderbilt 33:27-Picks & analysis for Virginia Tech vs Notre Dame 36:23-Picks & analysis for Troy vs Miami OH 39:16-Picks & analysis for Georgia So vs Western MI 41:56-Picks & analysis for Wisconsin vs Iowa 44:36-Picks & analysis for Louisiana Tech vs FL International 47:28-Picks & analysis for Miami vs Louisville 49:59-Picks & analysis for IL Chicago vs Southern IL 52:25-Picks & analysis for Wofford vs Mercer 54:53-Picks & analysis for William & Mary vs Delaware 57:47-Picks & analysis for UNC Wilmington vs Drexel 1:00:12-Picks & analysis for St. Peter's vs Manhattan 1:03:05-Picks & analysis for Robert Morris vs Northern KY 1:05:21-Picks & analysis for Marquette vs Creighton 1:07:41-Picks & analysis for Central Florida vs Baylor 1:10:28-Picks & analysis for Brown vs Columbia 1:13:20-Picks & analysis for Niagara vs Quinnipiac 1:16:15-Picks & analysis for No Dakota St vs Omaha 1:19:35-Picks & analysis for Yale vs Cornell 1:22:12-Picks & analysis for Harvard vs Dartmouth 1:25:00-Picks & analysis for South Alabama vs Akron 1:27:13-Picks & analysis for Kansas vs Kansas St 1:29:14-Picks & analysis for Coastal Carolina vs Bowling Green 1:31:32-Picks & analysis for Georgia St vs Buffalo 1:33:46-Picks & analysis for Old Dominion vs Eastern MI 1:36:15-Picks & analysis for Arkansas St vs Kent St 1:39:05-Picks & analysis for Louisiana vs Northern IL 1:41:21-Picks & analysis for Appalachian St vs Ohio 1:43:25-Picks & analysis for James Madison vs Toledo 1:45:59-Picks & analysis for Southern Miss vs Ball St 1:48:29-Picks & analysis for Canisius vs Merrimack 1:50:52-Picks & analysis for UW Milwaukee vs Cleveland St 1:53:12-Picks & analysis for Providence vs Butler 1:55:23-Picks & analysis for Tulane vs North Texas 1:58:18-Picks & analysis for Boston College vs Syracuse 2:00:26-Picks & analysis for Little Rock vs Morehead St 2:02:44-Picks & analysis for Rice vs Charlotte 2:05:04-Picks & analysis for Texas A&M vs Missouri 2:07:30-Picks & analysis for Pittsburgh vs North Carolina 2:10:01-Picks & analysis for Murray St vs Valparaiso 2:12:27-Picks & analysis for Hampton vs Northeastern 2:14:55-Picks & analysis for New Mexico vs Air Force 2:16:43-Picks & analysis for Eastern IL vs Tennessee Tech 2:18:55-Picks & analysis for Samford vs East Tennessee 2:21:09-Picks & analysis for UNLV vs Wyoming 2:23:29-Picks & analysis for Penn St vs UCLA 2:25:38-Picks & analysis for Florida vs Auburn 2:27:43-Picks & analysis for Houston vs Colorado 2:29:30-Picks & analysis for Towson vs Momouth 2:31:33-Picks & analysis for Stony Brook vs Hofstra 2:33:35-Picks & analysis for Western Carolina vs NC Greensboro 2:35:40-Picks & analysis for St. Thomas vs Denver 2:37:45-Picks & analysis for Sam Houston vs Libter 2:39:49-Picks & analysis for Rhode Island vs George Mason 2:41:46-Picks & analysis for Tarleton St vs Utah Valley 2:44:02-Picks & analysis for Furman vs Chattanooga 2:45:55-Picks & analysis for Lindenwood vs Tennessee St 2:48:14-Picks & analysis for Western IL vs UT Martin 2:50:31-Picks & analysis for Portland St vs Eastern Wash 2:53:14-Picks & analysis for Utah vs West Virginia 2:55:33-Picks & analysis for Sacramento St vs Idaho 2:57:39-Picks & analysis for Mid Tennessee vs Kennesaw St 2:59:46-Picks & analysis for Missouri St vs Belmont 3:01:52-Picks & analysis for Wake Forest vs California 3:03:46-Picks & analysis for Bradley vs Evansville 3:05:32-Picks & analysis for Texas St vs Central Michigan 3:07:32-Picks & analysis for Western KY vs Jacksonville St 3:10:09-Picks & analysis for Georgia Tech vs Virginia 3:12:31-Picks & analysis for Loyola Chi vs Duquesne 3:14:19-Picks & analysis for Pepperdine vs Washington St 3:16:17-Picks & analysis for Illinois St vs Northern Iowa 3:18:15-Picks & analysis for Duke vs Celmson 3:20:14-Picks & analysis for Indiana St vs Drake 3:22:20-Picks & analysis for Illinois vs Minnesota 3:24:23-Picks & analysis for Mississippi St vs Georgia 3:26:14-Picks & analysis for BYU vs Cincinnati 3:28:30-Picks & analysis for North Dakota vs UMKC 3:30:21-Picks & analysis for Elon vs Charleston 3:32:42-Picks & analysis for San Diego vs Santa Clara 3:34:58-Picks & analysis for Iona vs Marist 3:37:16-Picks & analysis for Sacred Heart vs Fairfield 3:39:42-Picks & analysis for Siena vs Rider 3:41:27-Picks & analysis for IU Indianapolis vs Wright St 3:43:26-Picks & analysis for UW Green Bay vs Fort Wayne 3:45:19-Picks & analysis for NC State vs Stanford 3:46:58-Picks & analysis for CS Northridge vs Long Beach St 3:48:46-Picks & analysis for Alabama vs Arkansas 3:50:52-Picks & analysis for Montana vs Northern AZ 3:52:53-Picks & analysis for South Dakota vs Oral Roberts 3:55:32-Picks & analysis for UT Arlington vs Seattle 3:57:42-Picks & analysis for Grand Canyon vs Cal Baptist 3:59:42-Picks & analysis for Montana St vs Northern CO 4:01:34-Picks & analysis for Gonzaga vs Pacific 4:03:15-Picks & analysis for East Carolina vs UT San Antonio 4:05:00-Picks & analysis for Ole Miss vs LSU 4:07:00-Picks & analysis for SE Missouri St vs Southern Indiana 4:09:37-Picks & analysis for Ab Christian vs Southern Utah 4:11:36-Picks & analysis for UC Davis vs CS Fullerton 4:13:12-Picks & analysis for San Francisco vs Loyola Mary 4:15:05-Picks & analysis for Idaho St vs Weber St 4:16:48-Picks & analysis for UTEP vs New Mexico St 4:18:31-Picks & analysis for UC San Diego vs UC Irvine 4:20:26-Picks & analysis for San Diego St vs Colorado St 4:22:08-Picks & analysis for St. Mary's vs Oregon St 4:23:52-Picks & analysis for Hawaii vs UC Santa Barbara 4:25:30-Picks & analysis for Texas Tech vs Arizona 4:27:32-Picks & analysis for CS Bakersfield vs UC Riverside 4:29:41-Picks & analysis for Northwestern vs Washington 4:32:17-Start of extra games Boston U vs Holy Cross 4:33:54-Picks & analysis for NJIT vs New Hampshire 4:35:42-Picks & analysis for Wagner vs Fair Dickinson 4:37:35-Picks & analysis for Bucknell vs Army 4:39:15-Picks & analysis for Navy vs Lafayette 4:40:44-Picks & analysis for Lipscomb vs Queens NC 4:42:22-Picks & analysis for Winthrop vs USC Upstate 4:43:53-Picks & analysis for UMBC vs Maine 4:45:48-Picks & analysis for Bryant vs Binghamton 4:47:37-Picks & analysis for Charleston So vs Gardner Webb 4:49:27-Picks & analysis for American vs Lehigh 4:51:25-Picks & analysis for Loyola MD vs Colgate 4:52:58-Picks & analysis for St. Francis PA vs Chicago St 4:54:17-Picks & analysis for Stonehill vs Long Island 4:55:55-Picks & analysis for North Alabama vs West Georgia 4:57:45-Picks & analysis for Radford vs Longwood 4:59:19-Picks & analysis for Le Moyne vs Mercyhurst 5:01:02-Picks & analysis for Ark Pine Bluff vs Alcorn State 5:02:55-Picks & analysis for Eastern Kentucky vs Stetson 5:04:35-Picks & analysis for Grambling vs Alabama St 5:06:32-Picks & analysis for East Texas A&M vs Nicholls 5:07:58-Picks & analysis for Miss Valley St vs Jackson St 5:09:30-Picks & analysis for Nc Central vs Howard 5:11:21-Picks & analysis for New Orleans vs HOU Christian 5:12:59-Picks & analysis for Central Arkansas vs Austin Peay 5:14:44-Picks & analysis for Northwestern St vs McNeese 5:16:29-Picks & analysis for FL Gulf Coast vs North Florida 5:18:28-Picks & analysis for Southern vs Alabama A&M 5:20:29-Picks & analysis for Beth Cookman vs Prairie View 5:22:31-Picks & analysis for Florida A&M vs Texas Southern 5:24:23-Picks & analysis for SE Louisiana vs Incarnate Word 5:26:18-Picks & analysis for Texas A&M CC vs Steph F Austin 5:27:55-Picks & analysis for Vermont vs Albany 5:29:43-Picks & analysis for Rio Grande Valley vs Lamar 5:32:04-Picks & analysis for Bellarmine vs Jacksonville 5:33:49-Picks & analysis for NC Asheville vs High PointSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Tuesday’s college basketball results, talks to Tristan Freeman of Busting Brackets about the overall strength and depth of the Atlantic 10 & ACC,& teams he views as ascending, & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Wednesday CBB Game! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 5:23-Recap of Tuesday’s results 18:43-Interview with Tristan Freeman 39:46-Start of picks East Tennessee vs VMI Picks & analysis for Southern Miss vs Appalachian St Picks & analysis for Oregon vs Michigan Picks & analysis for Butler vs Seton Hall Picks & analysis for UW Milwaukee vs IU Indy Picks & analysis for Rice vs East Carolina Picks & analysis for Texas St vs Old Dominion Picks & analysis for Louisiana vs Georgia So Picks & analysis for South Alabama vs Coastal Carolina Picks & analysis for UL Monroe vs Georgia St Picks & analysis for Chattanooga vs Wofford Picks & analysis for Duquesne vs Richmond Picks & analysis for Valparaiso vs Indiana St Picks & analysis for Northern Iowa vs Missouri St Picks & analysis for Cleveland St vs Northern KY Picks & analysis for Troy vs James Madison Picks & analysis for Arkansas St vs Marshall Picks & analysis for Missouri vs Tennessee Picks & analysis for Rhode Island be Fordham Picks & analysis for George Mason vs George Wash Picks & analysis for Wright State vs Fort Wayne Picks & analysis for Detroit vs Robert Morris Picks & analysis for NC Greensboro vs The Citadel Picks & analysis for Louisville vs Boston College Picks & analysis for Duke vs Syracuse Picks & analysis for Cincinnati vs Central Florida Picks & analysis for Western Carolina vs Furman Picks & analysis for Mercer vs Samford Picks & analysis for Tulane vs UT San Antonio Picks & analysis for Tulsa vs Memphis Picks & analysis for Illinois St vs IL Chicago Picks & analysis for West Virginia vs TCU Picks & analysis for Southern IL vs Evansville Picks & analysis for Illinois vs Rutgers Picks & analysis for Creighton vs Providence Picks & analysis for Belmont vs Bradley Picks & analysis for Arkansas vs Texas Picks & analysis for LSU vs Georgia Picks & analysis for Villanova vs DePaul Picks & analysis for SMU vs Virginia Tech Picks & analysis for Colorado vs Utah Picks & analysis for Nebraska vs Washington Picks & analysis for Colorado St vs New Mexico Picks & analysis for NC State vs California Picks & analysis for Wake Forest vs Stanford Start of extra games Holy Cross vs Army Picks & analysis for Gardner Webb vs NC Asheville Picks & analysis for Winthrop vs Charleston So Picks & analysis for Navy vs Boston U Picks & analysis for USC Upstate vs Presbyterian Picks & analysis for High Point vs Radford Picks & analysis for Lipscomb vs West Georgia Picks & analysis for Loyola MD vs Lafayette Picks & analysis for American vs Bucknell Picks & analysis for Queens NC vs Central Arkansas Picks & analysis for North Alabama vs Austin PeaySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Saturday’s college basketball results, talks to Rob Donaldson of the Rob’s Best Bets Shows about the volatility games have had recently with blown leads, they types of teams he’s looking to bet, & Sunday’s games, & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Friday CBB Game! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 4:52-Recap of Saturday’s results 27:36-Interview with Rob Donaldson 46:14-Start of picks Ohio State vs Illinois 49:09-Picks & analysis for Fairfield vs Iona 51:28-Picks & analysis for South Florida vs FL Atlantic 53:40-Picks & analysis for Tulsa vs Tulane 56:33-Picks & analysis for Manhattan vs Sacred Heart 59:01-Picks & analysis for Mount St Mary’s vs St. Peter’s 1:01:42-Picks & analysis for Quinnipiac vs Siena 1:04:15-Picks & analysis for West Virginia vs Cincinnati 1:06:50-Picks & analysis for Robert Morris vs Wright St 1:09:42-Picks & analysis for Furman vs East Tennessee 1:12:37-Picks & analysis for Memphis vs Rice 1:14:53-Picks & analysis for Fort Wayne vs UW Milwaukee 1:17:39-Picks & analysis for Evansville vs Belmont 1:20:25-Picks & analysis for Bradley vs Northern Iowa 1:22:55-Picks & analysis for Merrimack vs Rider 1:25:08-Picks & analysis for Colorado vs TCU 1:28:01-Picks & analysis for North Dakota St vs St. Thomas 1:30:55-Picks & analysis for Seton Hall vs DePaul 1:33:48-Picks & analysis for Nebraska vs OregonSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Thursday’s college basketball results, talks to Justin Perri of Shot Quality Bets about how a team's shooting luck can make them mis-priced in the market & how to decipher data situationally, Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Friday CBB Game! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 4:26-Recap of Thursday’s results 19:49-Interview with Justin Perii 41:00-Start of picks Toledo vs Bowling Green 43:31-Picks & analysis for UW Milwaukee vs Northern KY 46:08-Picks & analysis for Villanova vs Marquette 48:46-Picks & analysis for Kent St vs Ohio 51:14-Picks & analysis for St. Joseph’s vs Dayton 53:39-Picks & analysis for Michigan vs Purdue 56:27-Picks & analysis for St. Bonaventure vs VCU 58:38-Picks & analysis for Penn St vs Iowa 1:01:15-Picks & analysis for UCLA vs Washington 1:03:17-Start of extra games Wagner vs Mercyhurst 1:05:22-Picks & analysis for Chicago St vs Stonehill 1:07:24-Picks & analysis for Cen Connecticut vs Le Moyne 1:09:30-Picks & analysis for Long Island vs St. Francis PASee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Tuesday’s college basketball results, talks to Blake Lovell of Southeastern 16 about the #SEC landscape, Ole Miss' rise, why to not panic over a loss or two for any team in SEC play, & this week's big matchups, & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Wednesday CBB Game! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 4:23-Recap of Tuesday’s results 21:44-Interview with Blake Lovell 40:46-Start of picks Furman vs VMI 43:05-Picks & analysis for Robert Morris vs Youngstown St 45:53-Picks & analysis for George Wash vs Massachusetts 48:47-Picks & analysis for South Florida vs Charlotte 51:35-Picks & analysis for James Madison vs Old Dominion 54:25-Picks & analysis for Coast Carolina vs Georgia So 57:10-Picks & analysis for The Citadel vs Wofford 59:29-Picks & analysis for Western Carolina vs East Tennessee 1:02:09-Picks & analysis for Kansas vs TCU 1:04:34-Picks & analysis for Xavier vs St. John’s 1:07:28-Picks & analysis for Indiana vs Northwestern 1:09:54-Picks & analysis for Florida vs South Carolina 1:12:44-Picks & analysis for Detroit vs Cleveland St 1:15:55-Picks & analysis for IU Indianapolis vs UW Green Bay 1:18:27-Picks & analysis for UW Milwaukee vs Wright St 1:21:04-Picks & analysis for Fort Wayne vs Oakland 1:23:59-Picks & analysis for Mercer vs UNC Greensboro 1:26:49-Picks & analysis for Syracuse vs Clemson 1:29:33-Picks & analysis for Virginia Tech vs Georgia Tech 1:32:38-Picks & analysis for Murray St vs Southern IL 1:35:32-Picks & analysis for Valparaiso vs Drake 1:38:22-Picks & analysis for Temple vs North Texas 1:40:46-Picks & analysis for La Salle vs St. Louis 1:43:34-Picks & analysis for IL Chicago vs Evansville 1:46:42-Picks & analysis for Fordham vs Loyola Chicago 1:49:27-Picks & analysis for Boise St vs Colorado St 1:52:33-Picks & analysis for USC vs Nebraska 1:55:52-Picks & analysis for Georgia vs Arkansas 1:58:55-Picks & analysis for Texas A&M vs Ole Miss 2:01:38-Picks & analysis for Kansas St vs Baylor 2:04:08-Picks & analysis for Florida St vs California 2:07:04-Picks & analysis for Nevada vs Utah St 2:09:36-Picks & analysis for San Diego St vs Air Force 2:12:07-Picks & analysis for Miami vs Stanford 2:14:13-Picks & analysis for Utah vs Houston 2:16:49-Start of extra games Army vs Holy Cross 2:19:11-Picks & analysis for High Point vs USC Upstate 2:21:25-Picks & analysis for Lafayette vs Loyola MD 2:23:43-Picks & analysis for Lehigh vs American 2:26:00-Picks & analysis for Boston U vs Navy 2:28:28-Picks & analysis for Charleston So vs Presbyterian 2:30:55-Picks & analysis for Longwood vs Radford 2:33:34-Picks & analysis for UNC Asheville vs Gardner WebbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Saturday’s college basketball results, talks to Curtis Rogers of 710 Seattle Sports about the success Big Ten teams are having in road games out west, the west coast hoops landscape, & teams he is stock up and stock down on & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Sunday CBB Game! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 2:10-Recap of Saturday’s results 22:11-Interview with Curtis Rogers 41:57-Start of picks Nebraska vs Maryland 44:51-Picks & analysis for Illinois vs Michigan St 47:16-Picks & analysis for Tulane vs Temple 49:44-Picks & analysis for Rice vs FL Atlantic 52:14-Picks & analysis for Youngstown St vs UW Green Bay 54:48-Picks & analysis for Northwestern vs Michigan 57:16-Picks & analysis for Cleveland St vs IU Indianapolis 59:41-Picks & analysis for La Salle vs Massachusetts 1:02:48-Picks & analysis for Memphis vs Charlotte 1:05:15-Picks & analysis for Robert Morris vs UW Milwaukee 1:07:47-Picks & analysis for TCU vs BaylorSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Thursday’s college basketball results, talks to Justin Perri of Shot Quality Bets about how he’s gauging conference play, the importance of tracking team’s tempos, & the value he has found in live betting, & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Friday CBB Game! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 4:16-Recap of Thursday’s results 24:29-Interview with Justin Perri 44:20-Start of picks Ohio vs Akron 46:36-Picks & analysis for VCU vs St. Joseph's 49:18-Picks & analysis for Providence vs Villanova 51:15-Picks & analysis for Robert Morris vs UW Green Bay 53:27-Picks & analysis for Youngstown St vs UW Milwaukee 55:41-Picks & analysis for Indiana vs Ohio St 58:08-Picks & analysis for DePaul vs Georgetown 1:00:03-Picks & analysis for Iowa vs UCLA 1:02:45-Picks & analysis for Air Force vs Fresno St 1:05:34-Picks & analysis for Boise St vs New MexicoSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Tuesday’s college basketball results, talks to Ryan McIntyre of the Sports Gambling Podcast Network about his takeaways from the early conference games we’ve seen, the outlook of the ACC, SEC and Atlantic 10, & Wednesday’s games, & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Wednesday CBB Game! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 3:48-Recap of Tuesday’s Results 21:35-Interview with Ryan McIntyre 37:17-Start of picks DePaul vs Seton Hall 39:52-Picks & analysis for Coastal Carolina vs App State 42:14-Picks & analysis for Connecticut vs Villanova 44:30-Picks & analysis for Northern KY vs Youngstown St 46:51-Picks & analysis for Loyola Chicago vs La Salle 49:25-Picks & analysis for Richmond vs George Mason 51:52-Picks & analysis for George Wash vs Rhode Island 54:40-Picks & analysis for FL Atlantic vs Charlotte 57:50-Picks & analysis for Temple vs East Carolina 1:00:51-Picks & analysis for Furman vs The Citadel 1:03:26-Picks & analysis for East Tennessee vs Mercer 1:06:34-Picks & analysis for West Carolina vs Wofford 1:08:52-Picks & analysis for USC vs Indiana 1:11:04-Picks & analysis for Drake vs Bradley 1:13:37-Picks & analysis for Murray St vs Northern Iowa 1:16:32-Picks & analysis for Alabama vs South Carolina 1:19:06-Picks & analysis for Ole Miss vs Arkansas 1:21:25-Picks & analysis for St. Joseph’s vs Duquesne 1:24:01-Picks & analysis for Fordham vs VCU 1:26:21-Picks & analysis for UW Milwaukee vs Fort Wayne 1:29:25-Picks & analysis for Cleveland St vs Robert Morris 1:31:52-Picks & analysis for Florida St vs Miami 1:34:19-Picks & analysis for Notre Dame vs NC State 1:36:38-Picks & analysis for Dayton vs Massachusetts 1:39:15-Picks & analysis for Colorado vs Central Florida 1:41:35-Picks & analysis for Southern IL vs Belmont 1:43:53-Picks & analysis for Indiana St vs Valparaiso 1:46:46-Picks & analysis for St. Bonaventure vs St. Louis 1:49:41-Picks & analysis for Illinois St vs Evansville 1:52:30-Picks & analysis for Georgia Southern vs Georgia St 1:54:48-Picks & analysis for Butler vs Providence 1:57:48-Picks & analysis for Rice vs North Texas 2:01:05-Picks & analysis for UMKC vs Omaha 2:03:49-Picks & analysis for South Dakota St vs St. Thomas 2:07:10-Picks & analysis for San Diego vs Gonzaga 2:09:52-Picks & analysis for Penn St vs Illinois 2:12:50-Picks & analysis for Texas A&M vs Oklahoma 2:15:15-Picks & analysis for Arizona State vs Kansas 2:17:45-Picks & analysis for Virginia Tech vs Stanford 2:20:16-Picks & analysis for Air Force vs San Diego St 2:22:47-Picks & analysis for Virginia vs California 2:25:10-Start of extra games Navy vs Holy Cross 2:27:18-Picks & analysis for Loyola MD vs Army 2:29:27-Picks & analysis for High Point vs Charleston So 2:32:07-Picks & analysis for Presbyterian vs USC Upstate 2:34:40-Picks & analysis for American vs Boston U 2:36:51-Picks & analysis for UNC Asheville vs Longwood 2:39:04-Picks & analysis for Winthrop vs Gardner Webb 2:41:36-Picks & analysis for Lafayette vs Bucknell 2:43:47-Picks & analysis for Lehigh vs Colgate See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg keeps it simple, there are over 130 games on the college basketball betting board for Saturday & he picks & analyzes EVERY one of them! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 5:35-Start of Picks Florida vs Kentucky 7:30-Picks & analysis for DePaul vs Villanova 9:34-Picks & analysis for Hofstra vs Northeastern 11:56-Picks & analysis for Toledo vs Western Michigan 14:16-Picks & analysis for Georgia vs Ole Miss 16:41-Picks & analysis for Boston College vs Georgia Tech 19:38-Picks & analysis for North Carolina vs Notre Dame 22:39-Picks & analysis for Dayton vs George Washington 24:58-Picks & analysis for Richmond vs Massachusetts 27:46-Picks & analysis for William & Mary vs Stony Brook 30:21-Picks & analysis for NC State vs Wake Forest 32:51-Picks & analysis for Oklahoma St vs West Virginia 35:08-Picks & analysis for Texas St vs Appalachian St 36:23-Picks & analysis for Chattanooga vs The Citadel 39:40-Picks & analysis for Buffalo vs Miami Oh 41:52-Picks & analysis for UW Green Bay vs Northern KY 44:21-Picks & analysis for UW Milwaukee vs Detroit 46:49-Picks & analysis for Arkansas vs Tennessee 49:20-Picks & analysis for Ball st vs Kent St 51:21-Picks & analysis for Towson vs Charleston 53:57-Picks & analysis for VCU vs Loyola Chicago 56:23-Picks & analysis for Duquesne vs Davidson 58:57-Picks & analysis for Western KY vs FL International 101:23-Picks & analysis for Tulsa vs UAB 1:04:03-Picks & analysis for Omaha vs North Dakota St 1:06:28-Picks & analysis for UL Monroe vs Coastal Carolina 1:09:06-Picks & analysis for St. Thomas vs North Dakota 1:11:49-Picks & analysis for Northern Illinois vs Eastern Michigan 1:14:28-Picks & analysis for UCLA vs Nebraska 1:17:02-Picks & analysis for South Carolina vs Mississippi St 1:19:25-Picks & analysis for BYU vs Houston 1:22:48-Picks & analysis for Butler vs St. John’s 1:24:35-Picks & analysis for Baylor vs Iowa St 1:27:25-Picks & analysis for St. Bonaventure vs Fordham 1:29:37-Picks & analysis for Drexel vs No Carolina A&T 1:31:58-Picks & analysis for George Mason vs Rhode Island 1:34:05-Picks & analysis for Miami vs Virginia Tech 1:36:24-Picks & analysis for Indiana St vs Evansville 1:38:54-Picks & analysis for Duke vs SMU 1:41:20-Picks & analysis for Arizona vs Cincinnati 1:43:23-Picks & analysis for Charlotte vs Rice 1:45:52-Picks & analysis for South Alabama vs Georgia So 1:48:21-Picks & analysis for Samford vs Western Carolina 1:50:29-Picks & analysis for Robert Morris vs Oakland 1:52:23-Picks & analysis for IU Indy vs Cleveland St 1:54:59-Picks & analysis for Monmouth vs Delaware 1:57:20-Picks & analysis for Weber St vs Northern Arizona 1:59:30-Picks & analysis for Southern Miss vs Old Dominion 2:01:29-Picks & analysis for Louisiana Tech vs New Mexico St 2:03:38-Picks & analysis for Morehead St vs Tennessee Tech 2:06:02-Picks & analysis for Wofford vs East Tennessee 2:08:06-Picks & analysis for Kansas st vs TCU 2:10:16-Picks & analysis for Northern Iowa vs Valparaiso 2:12:33-Picks & analysis for Arkansas St vs James Madison 2:14:55-Picks & analysis for Troy vs Marshall 2:17:23-Picks & analysis for Portland St vs Sacramento St 2:19:45-Picks & analysis for Missouri vs Auburn 2:22:01-Picks & analysis for Idaho St vs Northern Colorado 2:24:08-Picks & analysis for Furman vs NC Greensboro 2:26:38-Picks & analysis for Louisivlle vs Virginia 2:29:05-Picks & analysis for San Diego St vs Boise St 2:31:25-Picks & analysis for Ab Christian vs Utah Valley 2:33:41-Picks & analysis for Mercer vs VMi 2:35:54-Picks & analysis for Little Rock vs Tennessee St 2:38:02-Picks & analysis for Western IL vs Eastern IL 2:41:24-Picks & analysis for SE Missouri vs UT Martin 2:43:06-Picks & analysis for Vandebilt vs LSU 2:44:12-Picks & analysis for Lindenwood vs SIU Edwardsville 2:45:31-Picks & analysis for Wyoming vs Air Force 2:48:54-Picks & analysis for San Diego vs Oregon St 2:51:10-Picks & analysis for Montana vs Idaho 2:53:41-Picks & analysis for Montana St vs Eastern Washington 2:56:32-Picks & analysis for Jacksonville St vs Kennesaw St 2:59:02-Picks & analysis for IL Chicago vs Belmont 3:01:02-Picks & analysis for San Jose St vs UNLV 3:03:24-Picks & analysis for UT San Antonio vs Tulane 3:05:36-Picks & analysis for Colorado vs Arizona St 3:07:59-Picks & analysis for Oklahoma vs Alabama 3:09:43-Picks & analysis for Syracuse vs Florida St 3:11:48-Picks & analysis for UC Davis vs CS Northridge 3:14:06-Picks & analysis for Middle Tennessee vs Liberty 3:15:29-Picks & analysis for Stanford vs Pittsburgh 3:18:50-Picks & analysis for Ohio vs Central Michigan 3:21:09-Picks & analysis for Pepperdine vs Pacific 3:23:21-Picks & analysis for Louisiana vs Georgia St 3:25:47-Picks & analysis for San Francisco vs Washington St 3:27:50-Picks & analysis for Campbell vs NC Wilmington 3:29:43-Picks & analysis for Hampton vs Elon 3:31:47-Picks & analysis for Youngstown St vs Fort Wayne 3:33:46-Picks & analysis for Texas Tech vs Utah 3:35:46-Picks & analysis for Missouri St vs Bradley 3:38:34-Picks & analysis for Denver vs South Dakota 3:40:51-Picks & analysis for Michigan vs UCLA 3:43:05-Picks & analysis for Texas vs Texas A&M 3:49:33-Picks & analysis for Oral Roberts vs UMKC 3:51:42-Picks & analysis for Seattle vs Cal Baptist 3:53:58-Picks & analysis for Southern Utah vs Grand Canyon 3:56:03-Picks & analysis for Ut Arlington vs Tarleton St 3:58:26-Picks & analysis for California vs Clemson 4:00:43-Picks & analysis for Fresno St vs Utah St 4:02:41-Picks & analysis for Gonzaga vs Loyola Mary 4:04:43-Picks & analysis for Sam Houston vs UTEP 4:07:09-Picks & analysis for UC San Diego vs CS Fullerton 4:08:50-Picks & analysis for Long Beach st vs CS Bakersfield 4:11:02-Picks & analysis for St. Mary’s vs Portland 4:13:05-Picks & analysis for UC Riverside vs UC Irvine 4:14:38-Picks & analysis for Cal Poly vs Hawaii 4:20:13-Start of extra games Vermont vs New Hampshire 4:22:25-Picks & analysis for FL Gulf Coast vs Queens NC 4:24:38-Picks & analysis for Bellarmine vs Central Arkansas 4:26:58-Picks & analysis for Lipscomb vs North Florida 4:28:58-Picks & analysis for UMBC vs Binghamton 4:30:58-Picks & analysis for Maine vs Bryant 4:32:58-Picks & analysis for High Point vs NC Asheville 4:35:02-Picks & analysis for Stetson vs West Georgia 4:37:29-Picks & analysis for Presbyterian vs Gardner Webb 4:39:39-Picks & analysis for Austin Peay vs Jacksonville 4:42:02-Picks & analysis for Jackson St vs Alcorn St 4:44:13-Picks & analysis for McNeese vs East Texas A&M 4:45:48-Picks & analysis for UMass Lowell vs Albany 4:47:50-Picks & analysis for Miss Valley St vs Alabama St 4:49:50-Picks & analysis for So Carolina St vs Morgan St 4:52:10-Picks & analysis for MD East Shore vs Norfolk St 4:54:15-Picks & analysis for Delaware St vs Howard 4:56:46-Picks & analysis for Texas A&M CC vs SE Louisiana 4:59:33-Picks & analysis for NC Central vs Coppin St 5:01:43-Picks & analysis for Winthrop vs Radford 5:04:11-Picks & analysis for Nicholls vs Northwestern St 5:06:18-Picks & analysis for Ark Pine Bluff vs Alabama A&M 5:08:48-Picks & analysis for Grambling vs Prairie View 5:11:16-Picks & analysis for Eastern KY vs North Alabama 5:13:41-Picks & analysis for Beth Cookman vs Florida A&M 5:15:54-Picks & analysis for Incarnate Word vs Stephen F Austin 5:18:17-Picks & analysis for Rio Grande Valley vs New Orleans 5:20:30-Picks & analysis for Southern vs Texas Southern 5:22:53-Picks & analysis for Houston Christian vs Lamar 5:24:53-Picks & analysis for Charleston Southern vs LongwoodSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Wednesday’s college basketball results, talks to Tristan Freeman of Busting Brackets about ACC play starting, teams he's feeling bullish on, & the environment of home courts we will see the next few weeks, & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Thursday CBB Game! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 2:42-Recap of Wednesday’s CBB results 11:56-Interview with Tristan Freeman 26:21-Start of picks Troy vs Appalachian State 28:34-Picks & analysis for Hampton vs Charleston 31:09-Picks & analysis for Delaware vs Northeastern 33:57-Picks & analysis for Stony Brook vs Monmouth 36:13-Picks & analysis for Middle TN vs FL International 38:31-Picks & analysis for Memphis vs FL Atlantic 40:42-Picks & analysis for Arkansas St vs Old Dominion 43:38-Picks & analysis for South Alabama vs Georgia St 46:20-Picks & analysis for Louisiana vs Coastal Carolina 49:02-Picks & analysis for Drexel vs Campbell 51:37-Picks & analysis for Robert Morris vs Detroit 54:22-Picks & analysis for Texas St vs Marshall 56:58-Picks & analysis for So Miss vs James Madison 59:35-Picks & analysis for Towson vs UNC Wilmington 1:02:21-Picks & analysis for Northwestern vs Penn St 1:05:08-Picks & analysis for Western KY vs Liberty 1:08:00-Picks & analysis for UW Green Bay vs Wright St 1:10:32-Picks & analysis for William & Mary vs Hofstra 1:13:36-Picks & analysis for UW Milwaukee vs Oakland 1:16:17-Picks & analysis for Elon vs North Carolina A&T 1:18:56-Picks & analysis for UL Monroe vs Georgia So 1:21:55-Picks & analysis for St. Thomas vs North Dakota St 1:25:39-Picks & analysis for Illinois St vs Murray St 1:28:10-Picks & analysis for Idaho St vs Northern AZ 1:30:18-Picks & analysis for Omaha vs North Dakota 1:33:08-Picks & analysis for Weber St vs Northern Colorado 1:35:40-Picks & analysis for South Dakota vs UMKC 1:38:12-Picks & analysis for UC Irvine vs Cal Poly 1:40:51-Picks & analysis for SE Missouri vs Tennessee St 1:43:13-Picks & analysis for Western IL vs SIU Edwardsville 1:46:08-Picks & analysis for Lindenwood vs Eastern IL 1:48:35-Picks & analysis for Southern IN vs Tennessee Tech 1:51:05-Picks & analysis for Rutgers vs Indiana 1:53:43-Picks & analysis for Little Rock vs UT Martin 1:56:39-Picks & analysis for Denver vs So Dakota St 1:59:22-Picks & analysis for Portland vs Gonzaga 2:02:00-Picks & analysis for Sam Houston vs New Mexico St 2:04:51-Picks & analysis for Purdue vs Minnesota 2:07:28-Picks & analysis for Montana St vs Idaho 2:09:54-Picks & analysis for UC Davis vs CS Bakersfield 2:12:05-Picks & analysis for Maryland vs Washington 2:14:25-Picks & analysis for San Francisco vs Pacific 2:17:23-Picks & analysis for Oregon St vs Loyola Mary 2:19:38-Picks & analysis for Pepperdine vs St. Mary’s 2:22:11-Picks & analysis for Santa Clara vs San Diego 2:24:41-Picks & analysis for Louisiana Tech vs UTEP 2:27:06-Picks & analysis for Illinois vs Oregon 2:29:32-Picks & analysis for CS Northridge vs CS Fullerton 2:31:41-Picks & analysis for Montana vs Eastern Washington 2:34:16-Picks & analysis for UC Riverside vs Long Beach St 2:36:25-Picks & analysis for UC Santa Barbara vs Hawaii 2:38:35-Start of extra games Gardner Webb vs Charleston So 2:40:24-Picks & analysis for Longwood vs Presbyterian 2:42:41-Picks & analysis for Austin Peay vs North Florida 2:45:07-Picks & analysis for USC Upstate vs Winthrop 2:47:12-Picks & analysis for Loyola MD vs Holy Cross 2:50:04-Picks & analysis for American vs Navy 2:52:38-Picks & analysis for Lipscomb vs Jacksonville 2:54:52-Picks & analysis for Radford vs High Point 2:57:40-Picks & analysis for Boston U vs Lafayette 2:59:54-Picks & analysis for FL Gulf Coast vs West Georgia 3:02:09-Picks & analysis for Stetson vs Queens NC 3:04:16-Picks & analysis for Bellarmine vs North Florida 3:06:25-Picks & analysis for Bucknell vs Lehigh 3:08:12-Picks & analysis for Army vs Colgate 3:10:28-Picks & analysis for Eastern KY vs Central ArkansasSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recap Saturday’s college basketball results, talks to Mike Randle of FTN Network about the differences in handicapping conference vs non-conference games, the triumphant & struggling mid-majors, gauging sleepy spots off of break, & the landscape of Conference USA & the MAC, & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Sunday CBB Game! Link To Greg’s Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/ Greg’s TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Podcast Highlights 4:55-Recap of Saturday’s CBB results 21:26-Interview with Mike Randle 43:18-Start of picks Indiana St vs Ohio St 45:50-Picks & analysis for Harvard vs Iona 48:34-Picks & analysis for Pennsylvania vs Penn State 50:56-Picks & analysis for Hofstra vs Quinnipiac 53:31-Picks & analysis for Northeastern vs Northwestern 55:56-Picks & analysis for Southern IL vs Northern Iowa 58:30-Picks & analysis for Belmont vs Drake 1:01:32-Picks & analysis for Northern KY vs Robert Morris 1:03:50-Picks & analysis for Detroit vs Youngstown St 1:06:33-Picks & analysis for Buffalo vs Temple 1:09:00-Picks & analysis for So Dakota St vs Alabama 1:11:16-Picks & analysis for IU Indy vs UW Milwaukee 1:14:29-Picks & analysis for Wright State vs Cleveland St 1:17:32-Picks & analysis for Valparaiso vs Bradley 1:20:04-Picks & analysis for UIC vs Illinois St 1:22:12-Picks & analysis for Missouri St vs Evansville 1:24:54-Picks & analysis for Weber St vs Oregon 1:27:38-Picks & analysis for St. Thomas vs UC Riverside 1:30:26-Picks & analysis for Fort Wayne vs UW Green Bay 1:32:53-Picks & analysis for UT Arlington vs Texas St 1:35:57-Picks & analysis for Toledo vs Purdue 1:38:27-Picks & analysis for Western KY vs Michigan 1:40:50-Picks & analysis for Campbell vs North Carolina 1:44:02-Start of extra games Northwestern St vs Texas 1:45:49-Picks & analysis for Stonehill vs Lafayette 1:47:58-Picks & analysis for Stetson vs Florida 1:50:02-Picks & analysis for Navy vs William & Mary 1:52:25-Picks & analysis for Stony Brook vs Albany 1:54:20-Picks & analysis for So Carolina St vs Georgia 1:56:38-Picks & analysis for Morgan St vs Minnesota 1:59:01-Picks & analysis for Norfolk St vs High Point 2:01:50-Picks & analysis for Binghamton vs Marist 2:04:24-Picks & analysis for Boston U vs Maine 2:06:37-Picks & analysis for Prairie View vs Oklahoma 2:08:49-Picks & analysis for Le Moyne vs Niagara 2:10:53-Picks & analysis for Longwood vs SMU 2:13:16-Picks & analysis for Chicago St vs Illinois 2:15:20-Picks & analysis for UT San Antonio vs Army 2:17:54-Picks & analysis for NJIT vs Washington 2:20:18-Picks & analysis for UMBC vs American 2:22:43-Picks & analysis for Winthrop vs Indiana 2:24:44-Picks & analysis for Florida A&M vs Tarleton St 2:26:50-Picks & analysis for Mississippi Valley St vs LSUSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Wednesday's college basketball results, talks to Curtis Rogers of 710 Seattle Sports about teams he's stock up & down on, & the lopsided SEC-ACC Challenge matchups, & the start of Big Ten Play, & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Thursday CBB game! Link To Greg's Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/  Greg's TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc   Podcast Highlights  3:46-Recap of Wednesday's CBB results 19:59-Interview with Curtis Rogers 39:15-Start of picks Fort Wayne vs Detroit 41:42-Picks & analysis for Purdue vs Penn St 44:07-Picks & analysis for Wright St vs Oakland 46:37-Picks & analysis for Xavier vs TCU 49:01-Picks & analysis for Cleveland St vs UW Milwaukee 50:59-Picks & analysis for Drake vs Valparaiso 53;35-Picks & analysis for Cal Poly vs UC Davis 55:51-Picks & analysis for UC San Diego vs UC Santa Barbara 58:23-Picks & analysis for CS Bakersfield vs UC Irvine 1:01:35-Picks & analysis for Long Beach St vs CS Fullerton 1:03:44-Picks & analysis for UC Riverside vs CS Northridge 1:06:32-Picks & analysis for San Francisco vs St. Louis 1:08:53-Start of extra games SE Missouri vs Lipscomb 1:10:54-Picks & analysis for Alabama St vs Southern Miss 1:13:28-Picks & analysis for Samford vs So Carolina St 1:15:22-Picks & analysis for Radford vs NC Central 1:17:57-Picks & analysis for MD East Shore vs Longwood 1:20:18-Picks & analysis for SE Louisiana vs Nicholls 1:22:45-Picks & analysis for Steph F Austin vs Rio Grande Valley 1:25:25-Picks & analysis for Jackson St vs Arkansas St 1:27:40-Picks & analysis for Lamar vs Texas A&M CC 1:30:11-Picks & analysis for Northwestern St vs Incarnate Word 1:32:17-Picks & analysis for East Texas A&M vs Houston ChristianSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Friday's college basketball results & picks & analyzes EVERY Saturday CBB game! Link To Greg's Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/  Greg's TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc   Podcast Highlights  5:19-Recap of Friday's CBB results 24:00-Start of picks Furman vs Kansas 25:47-Picks & analysis for Monmouth vs Seton Hall  28:03-Picks & analysis for Campbell vs UW Green Bay  29:33-Picks & analysis for Delaware vs Rider 31:43-Picks & analysis for Western Carolina vs Marquette  33:38-Picks & analysis for Robert Morris vs Ohio 35:50-Picks & analysis for UW Milwaukee vs So Miss 38:17-Picks & analysis for Indiana St vs Iona 40:09-Picks & analysis for Appalachian St vs NC Wilmington  42:36-Picks & analysis for CS Northridge vs Montana St 44:47-Picks & analysis for Temple vs La Salle 46:50-Picks & analysis for Tarleton St vs Hofstra 49:37-Picks & analysis for Georgia So vs Drake 52:15-Picks & analysis for Harvard vs St. John's  54:23-Picks & analysis for UC Riverside vs Idaho 56:41-Picks & analysis for Ea Washington vs Utah 59:34-Picks & analysis for Oakland vs Toledo 1:01:46-Picks & analysis for Detroit vs Eastern Michigan  1:04:00-Picks & analysis for Air Force vs Wright St 1:06:43-Picks & analysis for Rice vs Arkansas St 1:08:46-Picks & analysis for Kent St vs Kennesaw St 1:11:20-Picks & analysis for CS Fullerton vs Pacific  1:13:21-Picks & analysis for Marshall vs Western KY 1:15:21-Picks & analysis for Ab Christian vs Omaha 1:17:59-Picks & analysis for Utah Tech vs Portland St 1:19:57-Picks & analysis for CS Bakersfield vs Southern Utah 1:22:23-Picks & analysis for UMKC vs SE Missouri  1:25:01-Picks & analysis for UC Irvine vs Towson 1:27:00-Picks & analysis for Cal Poly vs Stanford 1:29:08-Picks & analysis for UC Davis vs Oregon St 1:31:20-Picks & analysis for Creighton vs Notre Dame 1:33:01-Picks & analysis for Texas A&M vs Rutgers 1:35:52-Picks & analysis for San Diego St vs Houston 1:37:00-Picks & analysis for Oregon vs Alabama 1:39:03-Picks & analysis for New Mexico St vs Bowling Green 1:40:56-Picks & analysis for Pepperdine vs Weber St 1:49:13-Start of extra games Southern vs Louisiana Tech 1:51:02-Picks & analysis for Sam Houston vs Colgate 1:53:14-Picks & analysis for Central Ark vs Georgia Tech 1:55:29-Picks & analysis for Northeastern vs Vermont 1:57:17-Picks & analysis for Chicago St vs Wisconsin  1:59:26-Picks & analysis for USC Upstate vs Coastal Carolina  2:01:31-Picks & analysis for Long Island vs Binghamton  2:03:31-Picks & analysis for Elon vs Navy 2:05:43-Picks & analysis for Charleston South Carolina vs Miami  2:07:36-Picks & analysis for Mt St Mary's vs Howard 2:09:55-Picks & analysis for Fort Wayne vs East Texas A&M 2:11:33-Picks & analysis for Nicholls vs Louisiana  2:13:40-Picks & analysis for Austin Peay vs East Tennessee  2:15:50-Picks & analysis for HOU Christian vs UT San Antonio  2:17:35-Picks & analysis for Albany vs Georgetown  2:19:50-Picks & analysis for Maine vs Pennsylvania  2:21:57-Picks & analysis for Prairie View vs Texas A&M CC 2:23:15-Picks & analysis for Niagara vs Lafayette  2:26:14-Picks & analysis for FL Gulf Coast vs FL Atlantic 2:28:12-Picks & analysis for Siena vs Bucknell  2:30:40-Picks & analysis for Bellarmine vs Northern KY 2:32:54-Picks & analysis for Jacksonville vs Georgia 2:34:46-Picks & analysis for MD East Shore vs Connecticut  2:36:59-Picks & analysis for Marist vs Lehigh  2:38:50-Picks & analysis for Lipscomb vs Alabama A&M 2:40:51-Picks & analysis for Mercyhurst vs Sacramento StSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Tuesday's college basketball results, talks to Justin Perri of Shot Quality Bets about things you pick up watching games in person vs on TV, gauging these Feast Week Tournaments, & Wednesday's games, Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Wednesday CBB game! Link To Greg's Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/  Greg's TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc   Podcast Highlights  2:55-Recap of Tuesday's CBB results 16:13-Interview with Justin Perri 38:52-Start of picks Detroit vs Rhode Island  41:05-Picks & analysis for UT San Antonio vs Merrimack  43:22-Picks & analysis for Stony Brook vs Brown 45:32-Picks & analysis for East Tennessee vs Charlotte  48:05-Picks & analysis for Western MI vs Youngstown St 51:03-Picks & analysis for Tulsa vs Georgia St 54:05-Picks & analysis for Sacramento St vs Air Force  56:18-Picks & analysis for Canisius vs Robert Morris 58:34-Picks & analysis for UT Martin vs Tennessee  1:01:02-Picks & analysis for Appalachian St vs Sam Houston  1:03:39-Picks & analysis for Northern IL vs Valparaiso  1:06:26-Picks & analysis for Massachusetts vs Harvard 1:08:59-Picks & analysis for Richmond vs Ball State 1:12:13-Picks & analysis for Lindenwood vs Missouri  1:14:28-Picks & analysis for South Dakota vs Nebraska  1:16:45-Picks & analysis for Rider vs Villanova  1:19:08-Picks & analysis for Cornell vs Syracuse  1:21:19-Picks & analysis for UW Milwaukee vs Central Florida  1:23:59-Picks & analysis for UNC Greensboro vs UTEP 1:26:21-Picks & analysis for Utah Valley vs Samford  1:29:04-Picks & analysis for Northern KY vs Charleston  1:31:59-Picks & analysis for CS Northridge vs Montana  1:34:44-Picks & analysis for Long Beach St vs San Jose St 1:37:12-Picks & analysis for Louisville vs Indiana  1:39:45-Picks & analysis for West Virginia vs Gonzaga 1:42:12-Picks & analysis for Oklahoma vs Providence  1:44:47-Picks & analysis for Davidson vs Arizona  1:47:41-Picks & analysis for Colorado vs Iowa St 1:50:00-Picks & analysis for Auburn vs Memphis 1:52:02-Picks & analysis for Michigan St vs North Carolina 1:54:13-Picks & analysis for Connecticut vs Dayton 1:56:36-Picks & analysis for Oregon vs San Diego St 1:58:29-Picks & analysis for Texas A&M vs Creighton  2:00:49-Picks & analysis for Rutgers vs Alabama  2:02:52-Picks & analysis for Notre Dame vs Houston  2:05:08-Picks & analysis for South Carolina vs Virginia Tech 2:07:33-Picks & analysis for Michigan vs Xavier 2:09:33-Picks & analysis for Tulane vs Belmont 2:12:06-Picks & analysis for Wyoming vs Loyola Marymount 2:14:06-Picks & analysis for Cal Baptist vs Fresno St 2:16:07-Picks & analysis for SMU vs Washington St 2:18:09-Start of extra games Eastern KY vs Louisiana Tech 2:20:03-Picks & analysis for Morgan St vs UMBC 2:21:51-Picks & analysis for Bryant vs Chattanooga  2:24:19-Picks & analysis for Presbyterian vs Tennessee Tech 2:26:48-Picks & analysis for New Orleans vs Baylor 2:29:00-Picks & analysis for UT Arlington vs Austin Peay 2:31:34-Picks & analysis for West Georgia vs No Dakota St 2:33:55-Picks & analysis for NJIT vs Morehead St 2:36:30-Picks & analysis for Bucknell vs Maryland  2:38:33-Picks & analysis for Incarnate Word vs Western IL 2:40:37-Picks & analysis for So Carolina St vs Marshall  2:42:53-Picks & analysis for Colgate vs UNC Wilmington  2:44:45-Picks & analysis for Alabama St vs Cincinnati  2:46:58-Picks & analysis for Charleston Southern vs Georgia Tech 2:49:10-Picks & analysis for Northern AZ vs HOU Christian  2:51:23-Picks & analysis for MD East Shore vs Little Rock 2:53:31-Picks & analysis for UMass Lowell vs St. Louis 2:55:43-Picks & analysis for Stonehill vs Marquette  2:57:50-Picks & analysis for Mercyhurst vs California  3:00:11-Picks & analysis for Ark Pine Bluff vs Pacific  3:02:04-Picks & analysis for SE Louisiana vs North Dakota 3:04:08-Picks & analysis for Beth Cookman vs Gardner WebbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Saturday's college basketball results, talks to Sam Federman of Mid Major Madness about teams that have impressed him thus far, Sunday's games, and the success of former Division II coaches early on, & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Sunday CBB game! Link To Greg's Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/  Greg's TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc   Podcast Highlights  4:54-Recap of Saturday's CBB results 19:50-Interview with Sam Federman 39:29-Start of picks St. John's vs Georgia  41:27-Picks & analysis for Portland St vs Wofford 44:02-Picks & analysis for Northeastern vs CS Bakersfield  46:55-Picks & analysis for Charleston vs Rhode Island  49:24-Picks & analysis for William & Mary vs Appalachian St 52:10-Picks & analysis for Rutgers vs Kennesaw St 54:10-Picks & analysis for Villanova vs Maryland  56:34-Picks & analysis for Eastern IL vs Valparaiso  59:12-Picks & analysis for St. Thomas vs UW Milwaukee  1:02:17-Picks & analysis for Sacramento St vs California  1:04:40-Picks & analysis for Massachusetts vs Florida St 1:06:59-Picks & analysis for Campbell vs Evansville  1:09:30-Picks & analysis for CS Northridge vs Utah Tech 1:12:01-Picks & analysis for Idaho vs San Diego  1:14:07-Picks & analysis for Yale vs Delaware 1:16:24-Picks & analysis for Denver vs Montana 1:19:01-Picks & analysis for So Miss vs Montana St 1:21:34-Picks & analysis for Portland vs Princeton  1:23:45-Picks & analysis for South Florida vs Wright St 1:26:21-Picks & analysis for Ohio vs Texas St 1:28:54-Picks & analysis for Middle TN vs Bradley 1:30:54-Picks & analysis for Hampton vs Boise St 1:33:29-Picks & analysis for So Dakota St vs Duquesne  1:35:36-Picks & analysis for Missouri St vs High Point  1:37:36-Picks & analysis for Old Dominion vs Boston College  1:40:02-Picks & analysis for Miami vs VCU 1:41:55-Picks & analysis for Oklahoma St vs Nevada 1:43:56-Picks & analysis for FL Atlantic vs Seton Hall 1:46:22-Picks & analysis for Drake vs Vanderbilt  1:48:35-Picks & analysis for LSU vs Central Florida  1:50:49-Picks & analysis for Pittsburgh vs Wisconsin  1:52:46-Picks & analysis for Longwood vs McNeese 1:55:15-Picks & analysis for Liberty vs Kansas St 1:57:50-Start of extra games Boston U vs Howard 1:59:56-Picks & analysis for Lamar vs Omaha 2:02:09-Picks & analysis for Holy Cross vs Maine 2:04:23-Picks & analysis for Vermont vs Fairfield 2:06:44-Picks & analysis for Binghamton vs Central CT 2:08:51-Picks & analysis for American vs Albany 2:11:10-Picks & analysis for Bryant vs St. Bonaventure  2:13:32-Picks & analysis for UNC Asheville vs Cen Arkansas  2:15:38-Picks & analysis for Alabama St vs Akron  2:18:06-Picks & analysis for North Alabama vs Northwestern St 2:20:13-Picks & analysis for FL International vs FL Gulf Coast  2:22:57-Picks & analysis for Mercyhurst vs Air Force  2:24:53-Picks & analysis for Towson vs Morgan St 2:27:23-Picks & analysis for Jackson St vs Lipscomb  2:29:13-Picks & analysis for Alcorn St vs UC Riverside 2:31:40-Picks & analysis for Ark Pine Bluff vs Missouri  2:33:49-Picks & analysis for Queens NC vs East Tennessee  2:36:43-Picks & analysis for Grambling vs USC 2:38:48-Picks & analysis for Texas Southern vs New MexicoSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

  Greg recaps Friday's college basketball results, talks to Mike Randle of FTN Bets about teams that have impressed him thus far, Saturday's games, and things he looks for in handicapping non-conference tournament games, & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Saturday CBB game! Link To Greg's Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/  Greg's TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc   Podcast Highlights (Spotify Time Markers) 5:35-Recap of Friday's CBB results 25:41-Interview with Mike Randle 48:08-Start of picks CS Bakersfield vs FL International  50:46-Picks & analysis for Marquette vs Georgia 53:01-Picks & analysis for Marshall vs Purdue 55:24-Picks & analysis for Portland St vs St. Thomas  58:33-Picks & analysis for Brown vs Canisius  1:00:36-Picks & analysis for Cincinnati vs Georgia Tech 1:03:29-Picks & analysis for Yale vs Fairfield  1:05:59-Picks & analysis for Detroit vs Wake Forest  1:08:57-Picks & analysis for Wofford vs UW Milwaukee  1:11:05-Picks & analysis for Omaha vs Akron 1:13:30-Picks & analysis for Temple vs Massachusetts  1:15:43-Picks & analysis for Northern IL vs DePaul  1:18:27-Picks & analysis for Fresno St vs Long Beach St 1:21:16-Picks & analysis for Idaho vs Southern Utah  1:23:55-Picks & analysis for Tulsa vs Loyola Chicago  1:26:15-Picks & analysis for New Mexico St vs UNLV 1:28:47-Picks & analysis for Stony Brook vs Columbia  1:30:40-Picks & analysis for Kent St vs Cleveland St 1:33:05-Picks & analysis for Stanford vs Santa Clara 1:35:32-Picks & analysis for Eastern WA vs Cal Baptist  1:37:24-Picks & analysis for Cal Poly vs St. Mary's  1:39:37-Picks & analysis for La Salle vs Stetson 1:41:32-Picks & analysis for IL Chicago vs East Carolina 1:44:31-Picks & analysis for James Madison vs Jacksonville St 1:47:15-Picks & analysis for UC San Diego vs Toledo 1:49:12-Picks & analysis for UAB vs Illinois St 1:51:24-Picks & analysis for George Wash vs Louisiana 1:53:56-Start of extra games Monmouth vs Presbyterian  1:55:14-Picks & analysis for Boston U vs UMBC 1:57:59-Picks & analysis for West Georgia vs GA Southern 1:59:48-Picks & analysis for Vermont vs Delaware 2:01:49-Picks & analysis for St. Francis PA vs Georgetown 2:03:25-Picks & analysis for Long Island vs Charlotte  2:05:03-Picks & analysis for Quinnipiac vs UMass Lowell 2:06:52-Picks & analysis for Northeastern vs FL Gulf Coast  2:09:06-Picks & analysis for Furman vs Charleston So 2:11:09-Picks & analysis for New Hampshire vs Marist 2:12:57-Picks & analysis for Albany vs UMKC 2:15:39-Picks & analysis for IU Indy vs So Caroline St 2:18:23-Picks & analysis for Bowling Green vs Bellarmine  2:20:09-Picks & analysis for MD East Shore vs Illinois  2:22:29-Picks & analysis for Delaware St vs Mt St Mary's 2:24:08-Picks & analysis for Le Moyne vs Texas A&M CC 2:26:20-Picks & analysis for UL Monroe vs North Alabama  2:27:55-Picks & analysis for Coastal Carolina vs Alabama A&M 2:30:20-Picks & analysis for USC Upstate vs Queens NC 2:33:01-Picks & analysis for Lamar vs Alabama St 2:34:58-Picks & analysis for Youngstown St vs Steph F Austin 2:37:50-Picks & analysis for Rider vs Bucknell 2:40:19-Picks & analysis for Prairie View vs Northern Colorado  2:42:25-Picks & analysis for Miss Valley St vs BYUSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Greg recaps Thursday's college basketball results, talks to Rob Donaldson of the Rob's Best Bets Show about teams that have impressed him thus far, handicapping this week's tournaments, & how to properly react to the small data set we have, & Greg picks & analyzes EVERY Thursday CBB game! Link To Greg's Spreadsheet of handicapped lines: https://vsin.com/college-basketball/greg-petersons-daily-college-basketball-lines/  Greg's TikTok With Pickmas Pick Videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@gregpetersonsports?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc   Podcast Highlights (Spotify Time Marks) 4:02-Recap of Thursday's CBB results 16:02-Interview with Rob Donaldson 34:13-Start of picks Northeastern vs FL International  35:49-Picks & analysis for Florida St vs Temple 38:18-Picks & analysis for IU Indy vs Coastal Carolina  40:31-Picks & analysis for Wofford vs St. Thomas 43:05-Picks & analysis for Utah Tech vs Utah 44:36-Picks & analysis for Campbell vs Ohio St 47:07-Picks & analysis for Southern IL vs Florida  49:12-Picks & analysis for William & Mary vs NC State 51:28-Picks & analysis for Elon vs Notre Dame 54:01-Picks & analysis for Merrimack vs Butler 56:10-Picks & analysis for VMI vs Davidson  58:19-Picks & analysis for Drexel vs Fordham  1:00:24-Picks & analysis for Pacific vs Missouri  1:02:31-Picks & analysis for Pepperdine vs Northwestern  1:04:48-Picks & analysis for Utah Valley vs Murray St 1:07:12-Picks & analysis for Utah St vs Iowa 1:09:20-Picks & analysis for South Dakota vs Southern IN 1:12:15-Picks & analysis for Portland St vs UW Milwaukee  1:14:46-Picks & analysis for Hofstra vs Houston 1:17:02-Picks & analysis for Nebraska vs Creighton  1:19:39-Picks & analysis for UW Green Bay vs Evansville  1:21:46-Picks & analysis for Mississippi St vs SMU 1:24:27-Picks & analysis for UC Irvine vs Weber St 1:26:24-Picks & analysis for UC Riverside vs Colorado St 1:28:15-Picks & analysis for Little Rock vs Arkansas  1:30:43-Picks & analysis for North Dakota vs Loyola Marymount  1:32:40-Picks & analysis for Southern Utah vs San Diego  1:35:06-Picks & analysis for CS Fullerton vs UCLA 1:37:18-Picks & analysis for Duke vs Arizona  1:39:43-Picks & analysis for St Louis vs Wichita St 1:41:51-Picks & analysis for North Carolina vs Hawaii  1:44:39-Picks & analysis for IL Chicago vs La Salle 1:46:36-Picks & analysis for East Carolina vs Stetson 1:49:09-Picks & analysis for James Madison vs UC San Diego 1:51:29-Picks & analysis for Jacksonville St vs Toledo 1:53:58-Picks & analysis for Drake vs FL Atlantic 1:56:28-Picks & analysis for Miami vs Oklahoma St 1:58:28-Picks & analysis for Seton Hall vs Vanderbilt 2:00:24-Picks & analysis for VCU vs Nevada 2:03:04-Picks & analysis for Ohio vs Portland 2:05:04-Picks & analysis for Mid Tennessee vs South Florida 2:07:45-Picks & analysis for Bradley vs Wright St 2:10:03-Picks & analysis for Texas St vs Princeton 2:12:23-Picks & analysis for Longwood vs UAB 2:14:52-Picks & analysis for Illinois St vs McNeese 2:16:37-Picks & analysis for Louisiana vs Liberty  2:18:54-Picks & analysis for George Wash vs Kansas St 2:21:43-Picks & analysis for Pittsburgh vs LSU 2:23:57-Picks & analysis for Central Florida vs Wisconsin  2:26:19-Picks & analysis for St. John's vs Virginia 2:28:21-Picks & analysis for Baylor vs Tennessee 2:30:17-Picks & analysis for Syracuse vs Texas Tech 2:32:03-Picks & analysis for Texas vs St. Joe's 2:34:11-Start of extra games CS Bakersfield vs FL Gulf Coast  2:36:20-Picks & analysis for Incarnate Word vs Northern AZ 2:38:06-Picks & analysis for Youngstown St vs Presbyterian  2:40:26-Picks & analysis for UMKC vs American  2:42:27-Picks & analysis for Lamar vs Akron 2:44:42-Picks & analysis for Monmouth vs Steph F Austin  2:47:08-Picks & analysis for UT Martin vs Le Moyne 2:49:06-Picks & analysis for Winthrop vs Louisville  2:50:58-Picks & analysis for Morgan St vs Buffalo  2:53:12-Picks & analysis for Colgate vs Harvard 2:55:03-Picks & analysis for USC Upstate vs East Tennessee  2:57:10-Picks & analysis for Chicago St vs Indiana St 2:59:00-Picks & analysis for Jackson St vs Kentucky  3:01:17-Picks & analysis for Army vs Manhattan  3:03:16-Picks & analysis for NC Central vs Georgia St 3:05:26-Picks & analysis for New Orleans vs Tulane 3:07:22-Picks & analysis for UL Monroe vs Northwestern St 3:09:11-Picks & analysis for UNC Asheville vs SE Missouri  3:11:18-Picks & analysis for South Carolina St vs Alabama A&M 3:13:31-Picks & analysis for Rice vs HOU Christian  3:15:43-Picks & analysis for SE Louisiana vs Wyoming  3:17:49-Picks & analysis for Omaha vs Alabama St 3:20:20-Picks & analysis for Norfolk St vs Grand Canyon  3:21:59-Picks & analysis for Alcorn St vs Washington See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.