Catching the Next Wave

Nobody is born a leader. Yet we seem to believe that there is a set of skills that will turn us into leadership perfection. Aga doesn't believe that one bit. This is why she wrote the book "Leadership by Design". It is a 12-week course in designing your personal leadership practice. In this bonus episode, łukasz asks Aga about the reasons for writing such a book in the first place and about the change a book like this can inflict on the life of a leader.LINKS"Leadership by Design" on Amazon"Leadership by Design" at BIS Publishers"The Artist Way" by Julia CameronThe book illustrator Weronika Marianna's websiteA conversation with Phillip Collins on CTNW 

What can the mixture of curiosity and making things visual do to your collaborations? It is one of the many topics we discuss with our guest Anna van der Aa, a coach, researcher, illustrator, and musician. We discuss the notion of clean coaching using clean questions and we dive into evidence-based decision-making as a way to do things in an informed and wise way. And we try to figure out how people rock :)LINKSAnna's websiteAnna's song that surprised her after being produced Anna's song “Roll the dice”The drawing course with Brandy AgerbeckJessica AbelMorgan Peng "Creativity Inc" by Ed Catmull“The Back of the Napkin” by Dan Roam“See What I Mean, How to use comics to communicate ideas” by Kevin Cheng “The Artist Way” by Julia Cameron“The Creative Priority: Putting Innovation To Work In Your Business” by Jerry Hirschberg

How to define inventors of our times? This is a question, we try to answer with our guest, Daniel Owsiański, a VP of Technology at volt.io. We talk about the creativity of teams versus individuals, productivity versus effectiveness, and leadership versus management. We discuss the need for self-organizing teams and embracing the process, which is the only thing under our control. LINKS“Thinking Fast and Slow” by Daniel Kahneman“Why We Sleep” by Matthew Walker

Creative industries offer the potential for going global with local flavor, unlike any other scalable businesses that are alike everywhere you go says Alice Loy, a co-founder of the world's first accelerator for creatives called Creative Startups. Alice argues that we need a new economy based on new models of investing and she says that creatives need to be a part of that conversation because they have a crucial role in combining community and culture. We also discuss the good questions to ask and the need for ambiguity as a way to stimulate entrepreneurship.LINKS“Getting Things Done” by David Allen

What is hype and how mischiefs and propagandists can help you build it? Or, in other words, how do you get people to hear and follow you? This is one of the many topics we discuss with our guest Michael F. Schein -- a writer and the author of the book “The Hype Handbook”. We also talk about thinning in bets, the future of social media, and the trap of following the rules others live by. LINKS“The Hype Handbook” by Michael F. Schein “The Medici Effect” by Frans Johansson“The Click Moment” by Frans Johansson

Every opportunity is a learning opportunity, says our guest Latifa Al-Khalifa – a Social Entrepreneur, STEAM education advocate, and a founding member of Clever Play, a purpose-driven startup with a mission to inspire, educate and empower 1 million children in MENA STEAM skills by 2030. In this insightful conversation we dive into the  shape of the XXI century education (or rather learning). We discuss how it is no longer important what you know but what you do with what you know. And we talk that in order to do things you dream about you need to redefine yourself first.LINKSLatifa's start-up Clever PlayThe STEM podcast“Endurance” by  Alfred Lansing  

Culture can only be defined at an intersection of data argues our guest Theodore Edmonds – a creativity researcher, cultural futurist, artist, wellbeing entrepreneur, data analytics inventor, and a transdisciplinary academic. We talk about the third spaces, the different flavors of creativity, and Aristotelian notions of hedonism and eudaimonia and hope. We look for a definition of a new role of business and investment in the future world where not only financial gain is the growth motivator.LINKS “Range” by David Epstein

Season 11 of the Catching The Next Wave podcast was about doing. But, it turned out that doing is not just about putting something into the world, it is a much more nuanced concept to ponder including aspects like curiosity, open-mindedness, accountability, and much more. We started by distinguishing between thinking and doing only to arrive at a conclusion that one is impossible without the other. We hope you will enjoy that season much as we did.LINKS“Obliquity” by John Kay

So many of us are afraid to be different and stand out of the pack. Our guest, Andrew Lacanienta, a senior strategist at George P Johnson Experience Marketing, thrives when he can share his uniqueness with others as long as what he does is truthful to himself. Andrew holds a PhD in Experience Design so we just couldn't avoid the topics of experience and transformational design, however, we tackle them from both the personal and the business context. We also talk about the importance of embodied experience that makes us connect between our minds and hearts.LINKS“Designing Experiences” by Robert Rossman and Mat Duerden“Deep Work” by Cal Newport“The Anatomy of Peace” by The Arbinger Institute

What do life-long learning and building communities have in common? David Nebinski, the host of the Portfolio Career podcast and a Community Operations Manager for the Chief of Staff Network Community says that communities are places for a social learning experience, which allows for creating a common language and stimulates accountability. We dive into the need for flexing your mind in order to deal with uncertainty and use generosity as a way to expand your worldview.LINKSDavid's Portfolio Career Podcast“Get together” by Bailey Richardson, Kevin Huyn, Kai Elmer Sotto“Atomic Habits” by James Clear“The Artist Way” by Julia Cameron“Flex: Reinventing Work for a Smarter, Happier Life” by Annie Auerbach“War of Art” by Steven Pressfield“Do The Work” by Steven Pressfield“Turning Pro” by Steven Pressfield“The Business of Belonging” by David Spinks“Your Music and People” by Derek Sivers 

To do or not to do? This is the question for this 11th Season of the Catching The Next Wave podcast. We hope to investigate the difference (or the connection) between thinking and doing. We also hope to dig into understanding how our guests help themselves to put things out in the world and what helps them to do so. Stay tuned for the new season of Catching The Next Wave.

In the anniversary 10th season of the Catching The Next Wave podcast, we went down quite a few rabbit holes with our guests. Some of them were challenging, some were reflective, some were eye-opening. We discussed topics of abusing natural resources, cracking own productivity, dealing with change, learning, innovating, experiencing, and transforming. All of them are important for every one of us and the question is - how deep are there rabbit holes for you?LINKSGoGoDone website“Design to Change” by Roel Frissen, Ruud Janssen, Dennis Luijer“Stuffocation” by James Wallman“Time and how to spend it” by James WallmanWXO“National Geographic Ocean: A Global Odyssey” by Sylvia EarleCover image by hijasdelatierra.es (CC-BY-SA-3.0)

Have you ever thought about whether for an experience to be memorable does it have to always be extraordinary or is ordinary also an option? This is one of the rabbit holes we visit together with our guest Mat Deurden, an Associate Professor of Experience Design and Management in the Marriott School of Business at Brigham Young University. We unpack a transformative process as tripping over the truth you never realized. We discuss the difference between a transformation that is a small “t” versus capital “T” transformation, dig into the role of storytelling in the process of transformation, and much more.LINKS“Designing Experiences” by J. Robert Rossman, Mathew D. Duerden“Orbiting the giant hairball” by Gordon Mackenzie“Think Again” by Adam Grant“Wonder switch” by Harris III“The power of moments” by Chip Heath, Dan Heath“Invisible Women” by Caroline Criado Perez

Everything is connected much more than we have ever realised. We are dependent on the nature that surrounds us much more than nature is dependent on us, in fact. This is why we should stop perceiving nature as something to conquer and start seeing it as our life-support system, argues our amazing guest, dr Sylvia Earle, also known as “Her Deepness”. We discuss the ways in which oceans and life that inhabits them are treated today and how they should be treated from now onward. We discuss tuna and octopuses, sharks, and oxygen production, and so much more in this conversation that has the power to stop you from ever eating fish again.LINKS“National Geographic Ocean: A Global Odyssey” by Sylvia Earle“Half mile down” by William Beebe“Reason for hope” by Jane Goodall“Silent spring” by Rachel CarsonBooks by Carl Safina“Last chance to see” by Douglas Adams and Mark Carwardine

It is no longer enough for governments to measure GDP, they should finally use knowledge of sociology and psychology to figure out how to measure the quality of life. And part of these metrics should be about the value of experiencing rather than possessing things. Together with James Wallman, the author of “Stuffocation” and “Time and how to spend it”, and a co-founder of the World Experience Organization, we dig into the topic of how to measure experiences, and how to use these metrics to provoke organizations around the world to be more experiential. We wonder if it's possible to create an equivalent of a B-Corp certification and certification for experience and how it should differ with respect to the final solutions and culture. We also wonder how to capture the subjective assessment of experiences and turn it into a reliable guideline. And we dive into the meaning of boredom, the rabbit hole of creative work, and the idea of trying out our different selves.LINKSWXO websiteB-Corp websiteSelf-determination theory“Stuffocation” by James Wallman“Time and how to spend it” by James Wallman“Rest” by Alex Soojung-Kim Pang“Shorter” by Alex Soojung-Kim Pang“On Writing” by Stephen King“Time traveler's guide to medieval England” by Ian Mortimer“The wire” by David Simon and Rafael Alvarez“Homicide: A Year On The Killing Streets” by David Simon“The science of storytelling” by Will Storr“What a dog saw” by Malcolm Gladwell

Have you ever considered how being human-centered might not be a good idea? How any centricity is a wrong focus for design? With Gilbert Cockton, a professor emeritus from the Northumbria University and the University of Sunderland, we discuss the need for a big picture to be able to strategically move forward with any project. We talk about the design approach in the era of post-humanism, the agency of objects, and a fetish of rationality creeping into the design profession. We underline the importance of the studio culture with design critics as a way to keep on bringing good work to the world. And we wonder whether evaluation does a good job for forwarding motion or perhaps not really.LINKS“Things We Could Design“ by Ron Wakkary“Change by design” by Tim Brown“Notes on design” by Kees Dorst

The pandemic showed us that change is non-optional. But what remains to be figured out is how to make it good and lasting. With our guest Ruud Janssen, the co-author of “Event Design Handbook” and “Design to Change” we discuss what it takes to implement change you wish for. We deliberate what is more important, process or outcome, and we look into events as pivotal moments for change. We also wonder whether it's possible to design for how people spend time at work.LINKS“Design to Change” by Roel Frissen, Ruud Janssen, Dennis Luijer“Event Design Handbook” by Roel Frissen and Ruud JanssenDesign to Change podcast

Everyone can sing better, it's just a matter of the right training. With the world-famous vocal coach, Greg Enriquez, we talk about the strange instrument that is our voice. We talk about the unrealistic expectations technology raises for musicians and how it should be replaced with daring to try things that are tough early on. Greg points out how learning to sing is a never-ending journey rather than a destination and gives advice on how to effectively exercise your voice and also how to find a good singing teacher.LINKSGreg's websiteModern Vocal Training websiteThe European Vocal Camp website“Singing for the stars” by Seth Riggs

Have you ever considered that risk-taking is a muscle that needs to be regularly exercised? In this conversation with a productivity nerd, coach in Seth Godin's Akimbo community, and an entrepreneur at GoGoDone, Heather Chavin we talk about creating conditions to ship your work. We talk about how so many of us are obligers responding to the external rather than internal stimuli and why we need a powerful community to overcome that. We agree that it is important to mourn projects we say ‘no' to but still, it is the only way to do what matters as trying harder doesn't quite work. We also discuss the importance of listening to our bodies and our brains as they are pretty clear about what is good for us at a given moment.LINKSGoGoDone websiteGoGoPublish website“Willpower Doesn't Work: Discover the Hidden Keys to Success” by Benjamin Hardy“Permission marketing” by Seth Godin“The Four Tendencies: The Indispensable Personality Profiles That Reveal How to Make Your Life Better (and Other People's Lives Better, Too)” by Gretchen Rubin“Better Than Before: What I Learned About Making and Breaking Habits - to Sleep More, Quit Sugar, Procrastinate Less, and Generally Build a Happier Life” by Gretchen Rubin“The Happiness Project: Or, Why I Spent a Year Trying to Sing in the Morning, Clean My Closets, Fight Right, Read Aristotle, and Generally Have More Fun” by Gretchen Rubin“Steal like an artist” by Austin Kleon“Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less” by  Greg McKeown

In order to face change straight up you can't do things the usual way. You need a new, unusual approach to doing business. In this conversation with Joy van Baren, the Growth Acceleration Director at Ordina, we discuss the importance of the right mindset, the new way of looking at risk as a risk of missed opportunity. We investigate how important is brutal honesty to stay innovative and how to create a safe place for it.  We also wonder what the success rate is for innovative projects.LINKS“Pirates in the navy” by Tendayi Viki

More than three years ago we jumped the rabbit hole of producing the Catching The Next Wave podcast. In this anniversary intro we share the kitchen view on how it all happens. We also introduce the theme of the 10th season - "Down the Rabbit Hole" and chat about the meaning of this statement for both of us. And, as usual, we unravel a few of the mamazing guests we lined up for you in this season.

Anthony Rocco and Pim Schachtschabel, our great guests from previous seasons, decided to put their forces together to develop an online course that aims to awake curiosity in people. Together with Łukasz, we got a preview of this course live that got us grateful, confused, and more. Check it out to see what condition your curiosity is in.LINKSThe architecting curiosity program“A curious mind” by Brian Grazer

As usual, our Season 9 guests at Catching The Next Wave podcast took us into directions we dared not to wander ourselves. We heard daring business and artistic stories, we discussed how to become more daring as a leader and as a person but above all we were taken for a roller-coaster ride to learn the amazing things they all undertook in their personal and professional lives.LINKS“Designing Experiences” by Rob Rossman and Mat Deuren The EQ Method workshop by Brent LamphierThe College of Extraordinary ExperiencesTim Ferriss podcast with Steven Pressfield

What is the difference between transformative and experience design? Our guest, Paul Bulencea, compares it (after professor Martin Seligman) to the cosmetic versus curative treatment. Together we explore the transformative journey as a way to re-wild yourself, to reconnect with your true nature and your path. Using the example of the College of Extraordinary Experiences, Paul is a co-founder of, we define the difference between the safe and the brave space and chat about the importance of being brave on your way to personal discovery.LINKS“The Experience Economy” by Joe Pine and Jim Gilmore"Gamification in Tourism" by Paul Bulencea“My octopus teacher” on Netflix“The hero with a thousand faces” by Joseph Campbell

Born in the US and relocated to Syria at the age of 14, our guest Randa Taftaf found a way to combine the two so different cultures. She experienced the start of the war in Syria and then moved back to the US to start a publishing house that aims to create books for Arabic learners that are engaging and true to the cultural heritage of the Arabic world. In this conversation, we explore with Randa how you can embrace diversity and live a humane experience. We also discuss the issues related to minority publishing - a challenge that is one of the steps to be addressed in our road to equality. Randa asked us to add a disclaimer to this episode. She wrote: “This is just my story and not the story of other Syrians. So many Syrians have had a journey that was far worse than mine which is one of the reasons why I haven't been outspoken about my experience.” We deeply appreciate Randa’s openness to share her story with us. Thank you!LINKSRummana Publishing “4-hour workweek” by Tim Ferriss

Our lives are interconnected with nature. Our art is too. With our returning guest, Jericca Cleland, an incredible filmmaker, we talk about the notion of meaningful entertainment and how it can redefine our relationship with the world. We dig into the reasoning of why we all are so wired to storytelling and what authentic storytelling is about. These are only a few themes we explore in this amazing conversation.LINKS“My octopus teacher” on Netflix

The cultures we originate from carry inspiration that never ends - in food, in dance, in singing, in writing, in symbols, you name it. With our guest, Lukas Cabalka - artistic director and founder of Creativiva, we talk about creating entertainment that’s memorable and meaningful. We explore the future of the entertainment world through mixing genres and coming out of the theaters and closed scenes back on the streets. We try to figure out where inspiration comes from and how cooking is a great expression of someone’s attitude towards art.LINKS“Flavor matrix” by James Briscione“Ever-changing seasons” by Joanne Baxter

Can you imagine yourself standing in front of a 30 000 audience singing “I feel pretty”? Our guest, Kasia Santi-Sperczyńska doesn’t have to anymore. Nor does she have to be fearful of singing on the stages such as Carnegie Hall and Banquet Hall of Hotel Plaza in NYC. How did a tiny girl from a tiny Polish village make it happen? We dissect the notion of bravery being true to yourself and allowing your inner child to guide you.LINKS“The Gifts of Imperfection” by Brene Brown“Daring Greatly” by Brene Brown“Untamed” by Glennon Doyle“The Path Made Clear” by Oprah Winfrey“A Return to Love” by Marianne Williamson

What is the posture that makes others follow you? Why are questions so crucial? What can you do to develop your emotional intelligence? What does sonder mean? How is vulnerability helping your leadership? These are only a few of all the questions we investigated with our guest, Brent Lamphier, a seasoned AltMBA coach and a creator of the EQmethod workshop, where you will practice skill-building, deep listening, and connection.LINKSThe EQMethod workshop by Brent Lamphier“The Dip” by Seth Godin“Delivering Happiness” by Tony Hsieh

Leadership is like yoga. You are never fully trained, there is always more to learn. So you go and exercise it every day. We unpack this daily exercise with our guest Phillip Collins, a Global Leadership Coach,  heading a team of internationally based coaches and facilitators at Action and Theory. We discuss how to embrace risk, minimize waste and create with what is - the three elements Phil applies both to his professional work and his cooking. And we dig into the need for conscious reflection as a way to progress with your path towards leadership.LINKS“The inner game of tennis” by W Timothy Gallwey“The EQ Leader” by Dr Stephen Stein“The four disciplines of execution” by Sean Covey“Against Empathy” by Paul Bloom“The Imposter Phenomenon” by P R Clance

In the drive to endlessly fit their curiosity and explore forever new possibilities, our guests Jacek Majewski and Mikołaj Molenda, the co-CEOs at tylko.com, did more daring things than you might imagine. They share some of these stories with us while sharing their perspective on the responsibility of businesses to change their practices to become more responsible and sustainable.LINKSTYLKO“Quantum Gravity” by Carlo Rovelli“The Mating Mind: How Sexual Choice Shaped the Evolution of Human Nature” by Geoffrey Miller

The theme for Season 9 of the Catching The Next Wave podcast seems to have chosen itself. It is DARING and with it, we hope to explore the different facets of what daring means in the professional and private lives of our guests. We also want to see how you could become more daring with your endeavors as you decide to leave your comfort zone and explore the unknown.LINKS“The Umami Strategy: Stand out by mixing business with experience design” by Aga Szóstek

This is probably the first season in history that generated more questions than answers for us. It has turned out that intuition is a complex and multifaceted term, and that you can look at it from different perspectives: cognitive, cultural, professional, and more. One thing that stayed with us is that intuition is not something opposite to logic (on the contrary) and that it is worthwhile to become good friends with it as it helps us reach out to the depth of our inner wisdom.LINKS“How we learn” by Stanislas Dehaene“The meaning of it all” by Richard Feynman"7 and 1/2 lesson about the brain" by Lisa Feldman Barrett"How emotions are made" by Lisa Feldman BarrettConversation with Jorgen Bang Jensen on CTNWConversation with Clara Otero-Perez on CTNWConversation with David Millen on CTNW

Is change good? What does growth mean? When do you need a revolution and when evolution is what you require? Why should you reach out to the edges of your comfort zone? Where lies the difference between possibility and opportunity? You can get immersed in these subjects and many more in our conversation with Carola Verschoor, the author of “Change ahead” and the founder and chief creative at Transformational Studio.LINKS“Finite and infinite game” by James Carse“The Infinite Game” by Simon Sinek“How Do You Know When Society Is About to Fall Apart?”“Mau 24: 24 principles for the design practice” by  Bruce MauThe article referring to Tainter's work.“Change ahead” Carola Verschoor“Power versus force” by David Hawkings“The course in miracles”

Why do 21st-century leaders need dialogue spaces? How important is daring to be vulnerable? What are the boundaries for? Is leadership a role or a state of mind? Where lies the difference between the being mode or doing mode? Is busy the new stupidity? Should we be egoless as leaders? These are just a few topics that we tackle with our guest, Keren Tsuk, a founder and the CEO of Wisdomtolead, an organizational consulting firm specializing in helping executives find their inner wisdom and maximize their leadership potential through mindfulness.LINKS“Busy in the new stupid” a short video featuring Bill Gates and Warren Buffet “Finding the space to lead” by Janice Marturano“Predictably Irrational” by Dan Ariely“The upside of irrationality” by Dan Ariely “Thinking fast and slow” by Daniel Kahneman

Is data and testing always the best path? Or is intuition sometimes helpful in making design decisions? We talk about it with Bernt Meerbeeek, the Product Owner for IoT solutions, and the R&D Manager for UX and Living Labs at Signify. We chat about personality in robotic vacuum cleaners, a cat that speaks human, and whether people are willing to give away their control to be emerged into the Internet of Things. We also talk about how being a researcher helps to be an intuitive manager for innovation teams.LINKS“Peripheral interaction” by Saskia Bakker“Humankind: a hopeful history” by Rutger Bregman

How to embrace diversity in a meaningful way? What is the role of a leader in that process? Why are women leaving the workforce so frequently these days? What does it mean to cultivate belonging? Where does self-reflection come into the picture? These are a few topics we discuss with our guest, Yuan Wang, a leadership coach for creative professionals.LINKSMorning Pages weekly newsletterThe Chinese painting master: Chang Dai-Chien/张大千. Yuan wrote an article about him in her newsletterThe recommended book: Inward by Yung Pueblo.Coaching: yuanwang.designChinese ink paintings by YuanA collection of Design Books by Women & People of Color First conversation with April Mills on CTNW Second conversation with April Mills on CTNW“The artist’s way” by Julia Cameron

Is art individual or collaborative? Is it neutral or political? What does it mean to truly be in the world? How does empathy fit into it all? Why is it easier to listen to male than female intuition? These and many more topics we chat about with Kathryn Zazenski, a visual artist and a director of an independent artist space in Warsaw: Stroboskop.LINKSKatie’s website Stroboskop space in Warsaw“Murmurs of the present” an article by Amélie Laurence Fortin and Katie Zazenski“John Armleder: About Nothing: Catalogue Raisonné” by Lionel Bovier, Beatrix Ruf, John Armleder

How long should you wait before beginning to write your book? This and many other questions we discuss with the amazing writer Ann Morgan, the author of “The World Between Two Covers” and “Besides Myself”. We delve into the world of creative writing, inspiration, process, dedication, and post-publication blues. And we discover what intuition means for a writer.LINKS“The World Between Two Covers: Reading the Globe” by Ann Morgan“Besides Myself” by Ann Morgan“Crossing over” audiobook by Ann Morgan“An African in Greenland” by By Kpomassie Tete-Michel and A. Alvarez

Is there a profession called “genius”? What can we learn from Leonardo da Vinci about curiosity? How is theater evolving? What role do emotions play in collaboration? Are there better ways for life-long learning? These are the things we dive into with our amazing guest, Gunnar de Jong - an actor, facilitator, and entrepreneur.LINKSStanford Meisner Konstantin StanislavskiStella Adler’s technique“The artist’s way” by Julia Cameron“How to think like Leonardo da Vinci” by Michael Gelb“The prophet” by Kahlil Gibran

Is intuition fast or slow? Is it about making new connections or adapting the existing knowledge? How does wisdom fit into the picture? Is there a connection with cognitive biases?  Is our anticipatory brain devoting us from free will? These and many more topics we touch upon in the conversation with Dawid Wiener: a psychiatrist, a doctor of philosophy, a cognitive scientist, a teacher of the psychology of design,  and an entrepreneur.LINKS“Kinds of minds” by Daniel Dennett“How emotions are made” by Lisa Feldman Barrett“7 and ½ Lessons about the brain”  by Lisa Feldman Barrett“The artist’s way” by Julia Cameron“Handbook of intuition research” by Marta Sinclair“The Weirdest People in the World: How the West Became Psychologically Peculiar and Particularly Prosperous” by Joseph Henrich

We seem not to be quite educated to listen to our intuition these days. It might be our schooling system, the way the business world operates, or perhaps the fact that because we don’t know how intuition works, we are slightly scared of it. In this 8th season of the Catching The Next Wave podcast the hosts, Aga and Łukasz Szóstek aim to catch the intuitive bull by its horns and go to figure out what is intuition, and whether it’s worthwhile to listen to it or not.LINKS“The Artist’s Way” by Julia Cameron“The Umami Strategy” by Aga Szóstek“Thinking Fast and Slow” by Daniel KahnemanAlaister Cockburn talking about the Shu Ha Ri model

Our co-host, Aga, has published a book on September 10th, 2020. The book is a guide on how to create and implement a powerful experience strategy that will help your organization stand out on the market. In this conversation between both hosts, Aga explains how it is time for the next step in thinking about customer experience and what are the ingredients of creating an experience strategy that will truly make you be loved by your customers.LINKS“The Umami Strategy: Stand out by mixing business with experience design” by Aga SzóstekThe link to the book on the BIS Publisher website

Season 7 of Catching The Next Wave podcast was about change. We attempted to look at it from the personal, organizational and global perspectives. While you might think that there aren’t many common threads, we managed to find quite a few. Join us to listen to another set of eight amazing conversations with fantastic guests from the domains of social and behavioral change, tourism, finances and organizational development.LINKSThe link to the conversation with Scott Belsky will only become available in December 2020. But the good news is that we will launch it as a bonus episode on CTNW, so it will be delivered to you as soon as we get hold of it :D

Where lies the difference between tourism and travel? What does it mean to get out of the comfort zone? We investigate the notions of sustainable tourism, transformational travel and resilience in this great conversation with Audrey Scott and Daniel Noll, writers, storytellers and propagators of conscious adventures into our beautiful world. We touch, among many other topics, upon the difference between a genuine experience versus commoditization of holiday time and also the importance of language to explain what sustainable travel is all about to the different people potentially interested in it. LINKSAudrey and Dan’s websiteAn interview with AudreyThe 5-minute Journal app“Guns, germs, steel” by Jared Diamond“Man’s search for meaning” by Victor Frankl

What is the difference between equality and justice? What are the best places to start change? These are a few topics we touch upon with our guest Amanda Gigler who is leading the development of Mama Cash (the feminist non-profit fund from Amsterdam) next 10 year strategic guide. We dive into the differences between feminism, activism and social change and discuss (among other things) the importance of creating narrative for change. LINKSMamaCash“Permaculture design” by Aranya“Dispossessed” by Ursula de Guin

With our guest, the amazing bond investment expert, Darek Kędziora we dive into the world of financial change that is swiping the world today. Darek shares his opinions (strictly personal and in no way any sort of advice) about how the pandemic impacts current geopolitics and how it is reflected in the world of finance. We touch upon the global trends in technologies, the power changes and also the role of China in reshaping our world. It’s not all dark though - Darek convincingly talks about some things that can have a huge positive impact on our future. LINKSDarek's blog Fintaste“The Great Rupture” by Viktor Shvets“Easternization: Asia's Rise and America's Decline From Obama to Trump and Beyond” by Gideon Rachman“Freedom: The Courage to Be Yourself” by Osho

Managing practices of today are still deeply rooted in the industrial era. But there is a new way emerging called: regenerative management. Our guest, Kim Korn (in collaboration with our other guest Joe Pine) are on the mission to make this new way become the new standard for managing organizations. Kim shares with us the foundational ideas for regenerative managing practices that aim to help your organization grow rather than just stay focused on self-optimization. LINKSKim's website“Handbook of Self-Determination Research” by Edward Deci and Richard Ryan“Man’s search of meaning” by Victor Frankl“Radical management” by Stephen Denning“In search of excellence” by Thomas Peters and Robert Waterman Jr.“Good to Great” by Jim Collins“Infinite possibility” by Joe Pine and Kim Korn“Freedom Inc” by Brian Carney“The Tyranny of Metrics” by Jerry Z. Muller

Can you undergo a process of transformation and keep on innovating? Are opportunities or options the same as solutions? With our guest, Milan Guenther, the author of the book “Intersection” and the founder of the Enterprise Architecture Association, we talk about the change in the context of mature organizations. We discuss the interplay between brand perception, customer experience and infrastructure architecture with an aim to find the big picture that helps you take the best decision of what to invest in next. LINKS“Intersection: How Enterprise Design Bridges the Gap between Business, Technology, and People” by Milan Guenther“Reinventing organizations” by Frederic Laloux“Design sprint” by by Jake Knapp, John Zeratsky, Braden Kowitz“Design-driven innovation” By Roberto Verganti“The Elements of User Experience” by Jesse James Garrett“Who moved my cheese?” by Spencer Johnson and Kenneth BlanchardHolacracyZachman FrameworkPresentation by Erik Roscam Abbing at the Intersection conference in Paris, 2014

Let’s be honest - change is tough. First we tend to experience denial, then anger. Once we come to terms that change is necessary and start following it, soon we find ourselves in the dip, the valley of tears. With our guest, Michael Liehmann, a change consultant, we explore the phases of change, its antecedents and ways to make it last in your life and in your org. LINKSMichael's websiteThe Discworld novels by Terry Pratchet - if you would like to start, this is the very first book in this series of 38 booksShelter Me by The Rolling Stones 

The pandemic has shown us that what seemed impossible is actually quite possible after all. With our amazing guest, April K. Mills, an author and a change agent, we discuss the challenges of progressing rather than regressing with the change that started happening around us. We discuss the importance of not being held accountable for trying to change things but above all the importance of trust in building agency to create meaningful change. LINKS“Everyone is a change agent” by April K.Mills“Change tactics” (work-of-progess) by April K.MillsApril’s assessment framework“The Rickover Effect” by Theodore Rockwell“The Design of Everyday Things” by Don Norman