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Immunodeficiency, Is Alzheimer's Preventable, Ice Hockey / Sleep, BPPV, Imodium Make your health an act of rebellion. Join The Healthy Rebellion Please Subscribe and Review: Apple Podcasts | RSS Submit your questions for the podcast here News topic du jour: Too Good To Check: A Play In Three Acts 1. Immunodeficiency [20:52] Mary says: Hi Robb and Nicki! I love your podcast and have been listening on and off for a few years.  You are the only health based podcast that I still listen to since everyone has gone crazy this past year and I highly value all the work that you are both doing! So.... my husband has described me as the most sickly health fanatic that he has ever met.  I catch every cold, have frequent sinus, bronchitis, yeast infections, strep, skin rashes, stomach flus, bouts of fatigue and dizziness.  I have tried every diet out there to feel better.  I have your books Wired to Eat and The Paleo Solution, so I am familiar with carb testing and using a glucose meter. If I am active, running (10k plus or hard intervals etc) and lifting weights, I know that fast acting carbs like sugar are needed or my recovery will suffer.  For days.  I use a manual glucose monitor to track this.  Intermitent fasting and keto are both a no go for me as I will have disrupted sleep, poor performance and fasting blood sugar levels under 4mmol/L, and with keto my ldl levels go up. I know everyone is so sick of hearing about covid but it plays into my question.  I had been low carb for years, and in the most recent year eating closer to carnivore with fruit and local raw honey.  I have also had chronic low ferritin for years, even eating steak fried in a cast iron pan once or twice a day and avoiding grains and dairy.  I am a personal trainer and runner and was very fit.  I got covid October 30 to be exact.  It knocked my socks off and I have never been the same.  Energy crashes, days of extreme fatigue and dizzy spells, limited running performance. I have not worked full time since.  I was referred to a post covid pulminary clinic and I am showing slight blockage in my lungs.  They were testing for autoimmune and I surprised them with underimmune, low immunoglobulin IgG. We have recently been in contact with previously unknown family and found out that my 1/2 aunt has primary immunodeficiency.  I am on the wait list to see an immunologist but it could be months before I get seen.  I am at a loss at what to do now.  I have given up on paleo etc mostly out of dispair that anything is going to help.  What was working diet wise (the near carnivore) prior to having covid no longer works.  I did the DNA fit after listening to that episode of your podcast and it has come back recomending moderate carb and protien, no celiac etc.  Besides my Low IgG and ferritin all my bloodwork is great. Not sure where to go from here, what questions I should be asking Drs, should I redo the carb testing as my body seems to have changed?  Should I join your group for the upcoming reset? Sorry that this has been so long and rambling!  I would greatly appreciate any insight that you may have. Thank you, Mary 2. Is Alzheimer's preventable? [29:18] Edrie says: Hi Robb and Nicki, hope you guys are doing well. Thanks for all that you do, your podcast is something I look forward to every week. I have a subject I'd love your insight on: Alzheimer's Disease, specifically the prevention of it. My dad was diagnosed about 5-6 years ago (at age 64ish) and we just had to move him to a memory care facility because he needs 24 hour a day care. It's heartbreaking and terrifying to watch a loved one slip away and now to see all the advanced stage residents, a glimpse of what's to come. It's too late to delay or improve my dad's disease, but I am very interested in not spending my senior years living that way. Aside from maintaining a healthy diet, exercise, sleep, and managing stress (which are all things I prioritize), is there anything folks can do to prevent Alzheimer's? Are there any studies or research that you know of that you could point me toward? Thank you again, Edrie https://www.wndu.com/content/news/The-good-side-of-nicotine-for-Alzheimers-patients-567810531.html#:~:text=%22And%20nicotine%20can%20help%20imitate,improvements%20in%20attention%20and%20memory. The End of Alzheimer's Program 3. Ice hockey / sleep [31:47] Jator says: I have hockey practice typically 20:45-22:00 3 days a week. This is a requirement and I sleep (obviously) terrible on those nights, also shows objectively on my Oura ring. Not in a place ready to give up hockey BUT would love your thoughts on how to mitigate the stress response as much as possible to catch a decent night of sleep. Thank you for considering Huberman Lab - Science of Muscle Growth, Increasing Strength & Muscular Recovery 4. BPPV [37:22] Carla says: I have recurring BPPV. I am wondering if you have any suggestions in terms of diet and exercise that will help with this condition? I have asked my doctor and she says I just have to live with it. I have done the Epley maneuver several times which gives me temporary relief but nothing lasting. I am a 51 yo female and about 30 lbs overweight. Any insight you could provide would be welcome. Thank you for all you do!! Benign paroxysmal positional vertigo 5. Imodium [39:56] Tom says: I've heard you talk about low dose Imodium to help with loose stools.  I take 1/2 of a pill each morning, which is 1/4 of a dose.  Are there any long term side effects to this.  Have recently switched to carnivore due to unresolved issues with Keto.  Did the keto masterclass last year and saw great improvements, thanks for that and the content you put out on the regular.  Tom-Full Time RVer. Sponsor: The Healthy Rebellion Radio is sponsored by our electrolyte company, LMNT. Proper hydration is more than just drinking water. You need electrolytes too! Check out The Healthy Rebellion Radio sponsor LMNT for grab-and-go electrolyte packets to keep you at your peak! They give you all the electrolytes want, none of the stuff you don't. Click here to get your LMNT electrolytes Transcript: Download a copy of this transcript here (PDF)

Intro: Writing personallyLet Me Run This By You: What would you say to your inner child?Interview: We talk to Ed Ryan about surviving two theatre schools, surviving 9/11, and interrupted grief.FULL TRANSCRIPT (UNEDITED):I'm Jen Bosworth from me this and I'm Gina Polizzi. We went to theater school together. We survived it, but we didn't quite understand it. 20 years later, we're digging deep talking to our guests about their experiences and trying to make sense of it all. We survived theater school and you will too. Are we famous yet? And I'm scared. Like, I think partially 1 00:00:34This is this, the main character is based on me. Like all our character. I think every writer writes about themselves. I don't care what you say, aspects of themselves. So I'm like, man, would I do this stuff? Would I, how far would I go to people please? Like that? That is what I'm wrestling with. That is what is, is, how far do we go? And how far would I go to people please? Now I don't think I'd go that far, but people do go far. 2 00:00:59People go far and feel like they're in a few state and feel like it wasn't them. That was making the choice. And, and I believe that I believe that that can happen. I also just think it's interesting in the lens of like, feeling, having felt for a long period of your life, that you weren't allowed to have certain emotions. It makes sense to me that you would be surprising yourself with where you can go in your imagination, but that would also lead to, you know, surprisingly like our, we had a conversation one time on here where I said, I don't feel like I've ever seen you angry. So, and you, you said you do get angry, but I just wonder if maybe there's just a lot of unexpressed anger and this is a great way to get it out. 1 00:01:42Totally. And I, and I think you're right. I think you're right on. And so, and I also think, and I wonder how, you know, how you feel about the idea that writing, right? Somebody, I wonder if people write and I don't know how you write, but if people read, I mean, I know a little how you write, but if peop, if people can ever write fully devoid from their own person, you know, like, like where they don't put themselves in their characters or their, if they're writing, I guess maybe if you're writing non-fiction I don't know. But when you write, do you agree that like each part of you and every, oh yeah, 100%. 2 00:02:24And I, I, in reading the Stephen King book about writing, you know, he, he realized like years after the fact about the way that he was writing himself in his stories, like, I guess famously and in misery, he is when he was at the height of drug addiction. And he, at the time he did not feel that he was writing the story about himself, but that's what it ended up being. Yeah. I mean, in part, just because like, how else would you do it? I mean, you only have your own as close as you can be to anybody else. What you really stuck with 24 7 is the ruminations in your own mind, the reactions to things, your worldview, your worldview is, is so people can recognize a lot of things about their worldview, but then there's all kinds of things about their own perspective that they would never think unless they had occasion to see it, contrast it with something else and say, oh, wow, I think about that really differently. 2 00:03:21So anyway, I think it's cool. I think it's great that you're going there and I'm excited to see where it goes. 1 00:03:32Let me run this by you. I started seeing, so I had a therapist that was this Orthodox Jewish man that I stopped seeing. It was just it. I always what I, you know, and it's so blatant at the time after, but during, during, I never see, like, I'm looking for like a father figure. And, and he started to say things that were, and it's all I'm on the phone, you know, but like he has six kids and he wanted to, he started saying things like, do you think that this is because you never had kids kind of like why my emotions? 2 00:04:13And I said, you know, 1 00:04:15I don't know it could be, but I, and you know, it was it's interesting. So I just had to say, you know what, I'm so-and-so, I think that I'm going to take a pause on this. I just don't feel that were, I was proud of myself. I said, I just don't feel like it's a good match right now for me, a good fit. I couldn't just say it's so funny. I have to qualify it. Like, I couldn't just say this isn't a good fit. I was like, not a fit right now for trying to soften that. Just ridiculous stuff, but that's how I did it. And yeah. And so I, I was like, okay, well, do I want to get another therapist? Or do I want to, so I do see like a coach, like, what do I want to do? 1 00:04:55So I started seeing, I had a first session with a coach outside in a park. Who's a, she coaches, she does a lot of career coaching, but I just, like, I've known her for a while. And I liked her and we got to some interesting stuff like, you know, and you've said some stuff about like inner child stuff. Like I never really felt like I could connect with the idea of making peace or taking care of my inner child. And I couldn't understand why. And I think I got to the point where the reason I I'm afraid to things that my inner child will hurt me or that I will hurt it. 2 00:05:35Her. Yeah. 1 00:05:37So, so I thought I'd tell you about that. 2 00:05:41Hurt you. Any idea what you mean by that? Like 1 00:05:44Sabotage, like my inner child is so angry at the way that my parents, and then I have been treating her that she will fuck things up. Hm. 2 00:05:54Yeah. By misbehaving. Yes. 1 00:05:57Misbehaving sabotaging. So there's not a trust there. There's not a trust. And I wouldn't have ever, whenever I, in the various forms of therapy and schooling that I've done in this area, I always felt really, it's not even that I bristled with when we did inner child work. It's like, I thought, well, I don't even know this is weird. I don't even know what this is. 2 00:06:23Yeah. I totally, I can totally relate. And I think I have had the same exact opinion, this very cynical sort of point of view. It all seems so I would just want to roll my eyes talking about inner child, but I think it's like that thing that I was telling you about when I did that thing on clubhouse and everybody was playing and I was just afraid of it. I think it's just that I think you learn to hide the parts of yourself that get you in trouble in the world for whatever reason. And then if there are parts of yourself that you first identify when you were very young, they're locked away. Good. They're locked away. Real good. And there's a real, I mean, just intense fear about going there. 2 00:07:07And I guess like the best signal that I have about that is that every time I start to think about it or talking about it, I start to cry, which, okay, well, there's obviously a lot there. I, I don't believe, see my thing about it is like for a long time I did therapy. I did. I've I'll total in total. I've probably done therapy. I'm going to say for like 10 years between different therapists. I, it's not that I think I'm done. It's not, you know, it's not that I don't want to be in therapy. I, there are reasons that I'm not in it right now, but I just very quickly be talking about my childhood became like, okay, but I talked about it and now I'm just complaining. 2 00:07:56Or, you know, now this is just, when are you going to get over? And that's the voice of like everybody in my family, like get over it. Everybody's everybody hurts. Like not even, not, not even everybody hurts, just like, get over it. You're your grownup. There's no time for that anymore. And I, that is the voice that I cannot quiet in my own head. So, whereas at one point in my life, I thought I had done all that. Cause I did 10 years of therapy. Now I realized I just never even approached it. I stuck with things that were more happening in my life now. Or like I would spend a lot of time like crying about my dad or whatever, but it wasn't like it's, you know, that was about him. 2 00:08:37It was about me talking about him. It wasn't really about me talking about me because I think when I started talking about myself, that's when all the walls and defenses went up and I was like, you know, and I, and I couldn't do it. And Aaron has said to me, a number of times, like you've never really dealt with this stuff and I, and I've just been so incredulous, like, of course I have, I've done, I've dealt with it a ton, but I really haven't. I haven't, I've done like layers of it, but I haven't, I haven't done all the layers. 1 00:09:06Yeah. And I, I could totally hear that and I can totally relate to not feeling, to feeling like I haven't really touched on it. And the reason I know that I haven't gotten to the core of sort of any inner child work is that yesterday when I was, when she had me doing an exercise outside in the park, like just trying to approach my inner child, the only way I could make contact with her was across a field with loud noise in the background with me yelling and her yelling back. So like not screaming at each other, but like there was, had to be a barrier. Like I couldn't the intimacy of approaching her straight on was too much. 1 00:09:46So I was like, Hey, I'm over here. And she said, hi, I'm over there. And she was like, really suspicious of me and stuff. But I knew like, oh, I'm really having, I have a lot of trepidation about approaching this part of myself. And so I have to have a separation, like a barrier. It has to be, it has to be moderated. It can't be like, I can't just walk up to her. There's no way in hell. There's no way. 2 00:10:13What's it. Like when you look at pictures of yourself, when you were really young, what did you think? 1 00:10:17I feel like I don't even know who that person is. Yeah. 2 00:10:21I have the same exact, whereas I know this just could be the difference between thinking about yourself and thinking about another person. When I look at even very, very young, young baby pictures of my kids, I think, oh yeah, their personality was there. You know, from the beginning, this is who they still are. And sometimes I'll share, I'll show them something and they'll say, you know, it seems like they kind of recognize. Yeah, that's me. Whereas I look at that person and I think, I mean, I've seen this picture before, but I, I have what, who is that per yeah, I've just have no idea. I think I, what I basically did, starting in theater school is just form a whole new set to start over. 2 00:11:05I just formed a whole new identity. I was just like, not to the point that some people get like my sister where they tell everybody that our parents are dead. But to the point of just, yeah, I'm this person now. And you know, and I'm, and I'm done with that other person, whoever she was, I hated her no matter what. And of course the realization realization I have recently is no, but I still hate myself. So I really haven't a changed divorce. And I, and there's a, you can't walk away from who you are, you have, you have to. 1 00:11:37Right. And, and, and I, I, my coach, Deanna, was like I said, I don't know who that person is. And she said, she's you, you just haven't integrated her yet. Like there it's you. And I was like, whole, I saw it as a separate sort of. So it's interesting. And she said, trauma, you know, we talked about neuroplasticity of the brain and trauma and, and how it's rewiring. Like, so, and she's like, I don't really believe in, well, I don't know if she said this, but I got, kind of got the feeling. She was like, she didn't really believe in mantras and all that, but she said, what happens? What do you start telling yourself when you are scared? 1 00:12:19Or when you have an audition, that's scary. I say, I'm going to screw this up. That's my mantra. I'm going to somehow screw this up. I'm going to, she's like, all right, we have to cut that off immediately. She's like, I don't care what you say, but you can't say that to yourself anymore. So I was like, okay, what can I believe? Like, what can I get stand behind? Because I'm not going to say, oh, I'm the greatest actor and everything. No, no, no. I don't believe that. I don't believe that at all. But what I do believe it, I do have evidence to show in my heart and in my bones that things have that everything is happening at the time it's supposed to be happening. I do believe that I do. I can stand behind that. I can't say it's good. I can't say it's awesome, but I can say, so she said, all right, we're just going to go with that. So now, like, you know, I think, oh, what if I get a call back for this role I really want, and I know I'm going to fuck it up. 1 00:13:04And I said, Nope, it's going to happen. If, if I do fuck it up, it's going to be, because it was the time to fuck it up. Like I have to believe in the timing of things, because I can't really believe in the goodness of things, is that, you know, 2 00:13:17Right. And sort of similar to that is how I'm always just thinking in my mind that I'm just starting over at that. I'm always just putting the other the past behind me. It's, that's not you that you can't really do that. And, and it's all, it's every failure in every experience you go through every part and every iteration of yourself is a part of whatever it is now. It's not. So what's what this is making me think about is when I was in private practice, I became sort of known for treating really severe trauma cases. And so almost all of them had did. 2 00:13:58And the technique for integration when a person has multiple selves and just for people who are listening, it's not like civil, civil, and bark, like a dog, whatever. It's really a lot more subtle than that. Now in severe cases, people have these few states where they go and they're just doing something else. I mean, I had, I had clients who would get themselves. They would go into a few state and then do terrible things that really dangerous, dangerous, terrible thing. But the technique is you have them all sit around a conference table. 2 00:14:38You have, what's amazing to me is if, if you're talking to a person who suffers with us and they've never heard this technique before, they never go conference table, they go, okay. Yeah. They're, I mean, they're just immediately, oh, that's a good idea. They can all come together because of they're in their experience. They feel or see. And they all have very often, they all have different names and different ages and they have different things and they fight with each other about what they're doing. So I say, let's just do the conference table thing. Let's have everybody meet together and we can work on the agenda. But like the underwriting overriding thing has to be we, whatever we do, we want to do it United. 2 00:15:20And what it gets tricky is when you're, you're not doing it United and everybody's, and that's the sabotage thing. That's what you get a lot of it. The sabotage thing is like this one is, and it's all because it was all a coping strategy for not being able to, you know, the parts of yourself that were rejected by whomever get shunned. They don't go away. They just get shunted off into another part of you. And it's funny because I really see a lot of my dysfunction feels splintered like that. Like I can say, I can click into a mode. That's happy, happy, and positive. And, but then if I'm not feeling happy and positive, then it's like, I'm not that person anymore. 2 00:16:03I'm just this other sad, depressed person. Or sometimes I'm, you know, we all have it to some degree and I feel it a little too. It doesn't feel like different parts of me that have different names, but it still feels like it needs a lot more integrating. 1 00:16:18Yes, I totally agree with that. And the other thing I worry about, and I think, and I, I don't know if you've ever worried. I worry that might the, that part of myself, the small, vulnerable, whatever, I would say five or six year old part of myself is going to disclose some, even more deep trauma happened. 2 00:16:38Okay. There you go. That's probably exactly right. 1 00:16:41And I don't want to, and I am like, I don't know if I can handle that. Like I, so she is the keeper of secrets of when I was young and who knows what the hell really went on. Like I could have been worse than I thought is the, is the, is the, is the overarching fear 2 00:16:59I can see why you would be afraid then. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if I wonder if part of your way it is going to be instead of, or like in addition to fearing that is like, yeah, that's scary, but she needs help. She needs, yeah. 1 00:17:14Yeah. That's what, that's what Deanna said too. It was like, yeah. She needs to be seen and heard. Yeah. And that's your way to freedom. And I was like, what? Because whenever someone says the way to freedom, like that interests me because freedom from such self doubt, freedom from such self-loathing or fear, you know, self like freedom from that seems amazing. So if someone tells me, you want to get free from this, you know, as long as they're not telling me some wackadoo stuff, but you, you want freedom from this thing, then it's going to take a certain amount of work. I'm like that, that I'm curious if I will do that word, which is just to say 2 00:17:58To our listeners, that the experience of doing this podcast has people are always reporting to us. Oh, I've reconnected with people. I'm, I'm healing things and remembering things, but that's true for us too. And I have reconnected with people that I haven't spoken to in a number of years. And it's so gratifying. I mean, that, that's actually another piece of this disintegration thing is like the person I was when I was in theater school and the friends I had. And I just basically with the exception of you just moved on from that and never looked back and you know, these are people that I love that I loved then, and that, you know, as I'm reconnecting with them, I'm like, oh yeah, you're amazing. 2 00:18:48And I'm just so grateful that we're having the opportunity to do this. I, this is what college reunions are meant to do, but they don't because it's kinda like one, you know, it's just, it's all because you just get through one layer of like, well, what do you look like? And what are you doing? As, you know, as an and, and I guess social media has changed that for people, like they get a better sense, but, but that's even, that is not the same as actually talking to somebody who you haven't talked to. And then now I'm like texting with people and it's fun. It's and then the other thing, which I've mentioned to you at least once before, but I'm still thinking about a lot is the people who I don't remember, but who remember me to me, that means I have just been so self absorbed that w that to, to a great degree. 2 00:19:43When I think back about that time, I, I almost can only think about myself and how I felt about things and whether I was getting treated well, or, you know, instead of like the fact, I mean, I guess that's human, but I just feel like if there's somebody who remembers me, then there's a re then the reason that I don't remember them is not anything other than I was just paying only attention to myself. And I, and I have compassion for myself about it because I, you know, it was just doing the best I could, but I'm interested in going back and healing those riffs too, because I, I think that something happens that has happened to me over time is like, I was never the most popular or the least popular. 2 00:20:37I was always in the middle, which meant that I ended up looking down on the people who were less popular than me and, and looking up to and resenting the people. So it was, I was just seeing everything in terms of like status status. Yeah. That's what it is. I have been entirely status obsessed in a way that is a complete surprise to me. I had no idea that I was status obsessed and it makes sense because that's how my parents are. That's how everybody, I mean, that's how a lot of people are. Why would I be unique? Why would I be exempt from 1 00:21:10Them? Well, that's the thing. I mean, I think that we, that I get get, so I get so trapped in thinking I'm uniquely where I'm at, and that is garbage. I am a unique human because everyone is to a certain extent. And then we're all the freaking same. We're all worried about what we look like, what we sound like, who, what, what other people think of? What other people think of us and how we're coming off. And, you know, that's part of being human, but I think you're right. I think for me as well, when people remember things, I don't remember, people were like, yeah, we were friends and I'm thinking we were friends. And that is because I was too busy probably thinking about myself and what else I could do, or why it's, it's what they say in 12 step programs, really about self centered fear. 1 00:21:55It's like, I'm so self-centered, and, and 2 00:21:59She'll warm. I'm I'm shit, but I'm, but I'm 1 00:22:03Yeah, shit. Or I'm the special warm and a, not a worker among workers, you know, like it's, it's, it's an interesting thing. And we come by and see the thing that's really also interesting to me is that we come by it, honestly, that is the part that I have to remember. It's that the people come by the shit, honestly, including me, I'm not so special that I don't come by it, honestly, it's not right. You know? 2 00:22:26Yeah. I mean, right. Yeah. I think it is. It's completely amazing. I'm completely great. I, I'm an apropos of our conversation that we had a while ago about like constantly evaluating our progress. Like when I can get away from doing that, I'm just full of gratitude for, for, for what we're, what we've already done. Even if we never did it again after this, what we've already done has been so personally helpful. Yeah, 1 00:22:54Me too. And I do see it as a way also as, as we move forward as artists, as a way of building allyship with people that I once looked at as not nemesis, maybe, but like as adversaries or doing better than me or doing worse than me, or now it's, it just seems more they're equal. Like I feel more equal with people and I think that's a better way to go, because the other way is like, 2 00:23:20It's also just the truer way to go. Like, it's just a lie. We tell ourselves when we think we're so sped. It's like, okay. But I mean, among other things, it's simply a false, 1 00:23:31Which is why, like, things like the like organized, like army and stuff works because you all get put in basic training and no one is better than the, there were, you're all lower, lowest on totem pole. And I think that builds some kind of comradery. And yeah. So anyway, I just, I just, I don't know why I was thinking about that, but I liked that idea. 2 00:23:55I, I started to watch some of the showcase this year is DePaul theater school shows. I was just curious if you had seen any of them. I 1 00:24:07Have seen it. And you know, it's interesting. I, the, the way that they filmed it, for the most part, it's the same camera shots, right. Of each I'm like, okay, okay. I think that we could have been a little more original with that, but I think they were trying to be equal to everybody and not quote you. And, and also 2 00:24:30It's not a film school. I mean that, you know, I, I, for that reason, I give it a lot of credit because it's like, oh, wow. I wonder if somebody had been tasked doing that in our year. I'm, I'm not certain we would have gotten anywhere. It would've been 1 00:24:44In video camera shaking and like, yeah, yeah, 2 00:24:47Yeah. So it's cool. I'm happy for them that they have this. I mean, I'm happy for them that they have this access. It's probably has the same effect that it did when we did the in-person thing, which is like, not a lot, unless they're going to move to LA. But what I felt was interesting is looking at the acting and just remembering, like, talk about not being special. We all did bad acting in the same way, you know, which is to say not connected, not real, very, very self-monitoring of like, how is this coming across? You can see people thinking that, how is this coming across? Versus there was a few people who was like, oh no, they're in it. 2 00:25:29They're totally there. They're there. It's just ed. And I say, this was so much compassion because I think probably the entire time I was just looking, I was just observing myself. I'm sure I did a terrible job. Yeah. And 1 00:25:41I can see it too. And I, you, it sticks out when someone's really in it. And it is so hot. And we said this, and I, I think we've talked about this on the podcast. It's so hard to get there. It's hard to get, to stop the self-monitoring to be in the moment and just tell the story or be in the it's so hard. So what it happens and you see it, you're like, oh, that's gold, that's gold. And it's not to say that, you know, we all get there at different times and we have different moments of it, but yeah. 2 00:26:09Yeah. What's hard to account for, I mean, you know, to a certain degree, there is only so much teaching that somebody can do of actors, because what you really need also is just these life experiences that either do, or don't lead you in the direction of really understanding yourself. And if you're a person who is not interested in understanding yourself, you're probably pretty limited as an actor or, or like, or maybe even very successful, but just that one, you know? Yeah. Right, 1 00:26:39Right. You might, you might make a million dollars, but as we talked about it, that not equal being in the moment and being it truly like for me in an experience, just because you made a million dollars doing it does not. I, I is a recent, recent, recent discovery that worth and money are not necessarily the same. Oh my God. Oh my God. 2 00:27:04Me too, girl. Me too. I'm just like, yeah, because actually there are other, I've heard the phrase. It's not always about money, but I really have never lived it. I have always been like, no, no, no. It's always 0 00:27:26Today on the podcast, we're talking with Edward Ryan, Edward is someone who went to the theater school at DePaul university and then left and then went on to have many adventures and different incarnations as an artist and is still on that adventure. And he's thoughtful and kind. So please enjoy our conversation with Edward Ryan. 3 00:27:47I was, I was a year below you guys. Okay. Okay. Okay. Edward, 2 00:27:52Ryan, congratulations. You survived theater school. I did twice. Twice. Yeah, because you just went back a few years ago to get your degree. So tell us about 4 00:28:03That. That was a very different, yeah. So you know what I did do some local theater, like a while ago I met a costumer and his name was Frank and he wound up teaching at a really small private school in Springfield, Massachusetts. And he's basically started a theater program there that's called American international college. And he said to me one day, like, how come you never finished your degree? He was like, give me your transcripts. And I, I, I got my transcripts. And he was like, you could be done in like a year and a half or two years and have a decree. 4 00:28:47Well, I didn't know I was going to be so, you know, affected by, was it, it's a school that serves a lot of sort of underserved communities. So there's a lot of first-generation Americans, a lot of first-generation college students. And in contrast to a place like DePaul, although we complained about the building on north Kenmore, the facility, there's nothing. I mean, they have nothing, these kids and, but their like passion and their drive is really what you know is so inspirational, you know? And they're like, we can make theater out of anything, you know, out of nothing. And it was kind of a strange situation because Frank and I were very good friends, you know? So all of a sudden he was like my professor and I mostly had to do academic classes to graduate there. 4 00:29:33You know, they took all my credits and I re I did a history of theater. I was like for like the third time, like all of, you know, this time I wasn't able to cheat. As I remember 2 00:29:46Cheating, I did cheat, oh 4 00:29:48My God. Anaconda make us, had every test that doc, whatever his name was, Jack O'Malley gave us. Oh, hilarious. And I've always been really studious, but like second year I was like, oh yeah. You know, give them up. 2 00:30:05That's funny because I don't actually remember the cheating thing, but when Dave was on, he, he referenced that, I guess it was widespread. I mean, you know, in a way, I'm sure they were like, oh, these kids they're so dumb. Just something easy. 4 00:30:20Get the same test every year, year after year after year. And luckily I lived, I lived with second years. So it was like, and you know, and she had them all, like, she was a stage manager, dramaturgy, Jenna, all a file. I just had to go in every week and pull it out. Yeah. 2 00:30:35I mean, are you the, one of the people who just got a brochure from DePaul and that's how you went 4 00:30:40With, yeah. With this gesture on the front, I never went to visit the school. I auditioned in New York and it was, you know, I had applied to NYU and I had an audition set up, but their auditions for summer, I didn't audition at the same time. And it was like really late. And I applied to Providence college. That was, if I wanted to like go the more academic route, dammit. And I remember going for my audition and I, I like heard really quickly that I got into DePaul and I just decided I never even went on my audition for NYU. 4 00:31:21I, I thought that the city would probably be a little too, you know, I was, I lived near the city. So it was like always my grandfather lived in the city and I thought that's going to be too much of a distraction, you know? And I really wanted to, you know, get an education. So I went to Chicago and I flew out and my parents drove all my stuff out. 2 00:31:42What, like, what did you make of it? Day one. What was, where was your head at with it? 4 00:31:47I was like, Chicago is so clean compared to New York. Yeah, it really is. I lived in Seton hall and I lived on the fourth floor in the corner room that was like ginormous with Cedric was Cedric steins was my roommate. And we had this other third roommate that we never liked. And then he got kicked out of the dorms, like halfway through the year. So we had this great big room and it was right above. I felt like the blues brothers, cause he looked at our window and they're like the El tracks by, but it was really close to taco burrito palace. Oh 2 00:32:24My God. I forgot all about TVP. Okay. Well they have many, you know, there's like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. I think that one is actually still there. 4 00:32:39That place like on a Friday or Saturday night was like, you couldn't get near it. And Rose's Tavern is like hole that the Mesopotamian woman who was like, let anybody drink. Okay. If you could walk, you choose giving 2 00:32:53Toddlers shots of you guys 4 00:32:56You'd be surprised. And there was some sort of characters in that joint. I mean, I remember like winding up at some apartment and being like, I shouldn't be here. What am I doing? 2 00:33:10So, but you left, you left after your second year. Okay. And it was rough. You said you had a rough, 4 00:33:16It was, I was, I was planning on living there. So I was living there for the summer. I was living with Cedric again and then Noel wrath. Yeah. And we were living like sort of west of everything, like up Armitage. It was like desolate. It was like this really weird apartment where I had the closet as my room. And I just remember like taking out the garbage, had to go out the back doors to this garage. And there was like this Harley biker who was always hanging out in there. I don't know if I was just like, this is where children get molested. I can't, you know, it was odd and Cedric left and he went to Africa, there was a trip to like Africa. 4 00:33:56And I remember Susan Lee was on that trip because he was like, he called us and he was like, oh, I met Susan Lee and wait, 2 00:34:07Susan Lee was just randomly in Africa with this girl. Don't you remember? That's when she came back and said to Erica, oh, I've got to teach you African dance. Okay. 4 00:34:18But, you know, I really, I really want, I was like, you know, I was kind of shocked about it and you know, I think it was a lot for me to go there. You know, I'm the youngest of five. And then my mother had remarried and I have four step kids. So my parents had like nine kids under the age of like 30. And you know, financially that no matter how much money you make, I think it's, it's a burden. And I was really committed to like the theater school. And I didn't have a warning that was sort of, you know, productive. I remember going to Rick Murphy's office and not having any morning, my first year of going in and sitting down him being like, you're fine. 4 00:34:59Get out of here. You know? And then my second year he was like, what the fuck is going on with you? You know? And he's like, what's up a tree Kessler. And I was like, I don't know if she hates me. And he was like, get your shit together or something like that, you know? But there was no like sort of actionable steps. And then when I left and asked back, I was like, wow. And you were talking about mushrooms. So for the first time I ate flushes and I wandered around Chicago and I found all these incredible places. I was like, oh my God, like a Paul said and all that. I was like input. And like I realized, I was like, in my own backyard, I thought I was lost. But I, you know, I have like some journal entries about Sundays are the best day in the world. 4 00:35:40Everybody does what they want. Even God rested on Sunday. And it was so much fun. Yeah. All by myself, just wandering around the city. But you know, people were like, oh right. Speaking of that, I remember I was dying during Eric Slater's interview because we got a phone call at like 6:00 AM, one day at apartment two downstairs. And it was Eric and he was, he had been arrested. And it must've been when you guys were doing Andrew CLIs and the lion, because he was like walking home. It was really late. He was walking home from our house, I guess. And the cops stopped him and arrested him. 4 00:36:21And we were like, he had to be like at the Merle reskin theater for this purport, like that morning. And I think we wound up calling John Bridges and it turns out they had just taken and he looked like a shady character. 3 00:36:38I don't know. But I wanted to ask 2 00:36:43Total digression, but I always thought in lineups, they got other criminal, like people that they know, they know and they can just random. Yeah. They get rent. I don't know about now. But you used to do this random ass people for lineups. Yeah. But the way you get them there is by arresting them. Well, I think you can, apparently in Chicago, 4 00:37:05I think he was drunk. He was probably stumbling. Maybe he was like, had a few beers and they were just like, oh yeah, public drunkenness let's go. But that was like one of the funniest. And it was like the day that my mother called me late, it was like crisis. You know, we went into crisis mode and it was like, she got out her clipboard and like gave us all the assignments. And then my mother called me that morning and she was like, is everything all right? And I always thought, I was like, you know, my mom just says that like intuition, you know? And I was like, everything's fine. You know? Like, and I remember saying to her, I'm like, I think your psychic should always, so you're, you're saying, so 2 00:37:47You didn't, it was, there was no, I mean, there was a warning without any information in it or 4 00:37:55Yeah, there wasn't really anything specific, you know? And like I had truly Kessler my second year for voice and speech. And I had had Ruth's Rupert who you, she was there for a really short period of time. And then she left, she came back and she was like, oh, I got a contract. I'll be here next year. And then she came back like the next week and was like, I'm leaving. And she got a job at Yale and she went off to teach at Yale and she taught Christian Linklaters work. And then Trudy, our second year. And I was sort of excited to, I guess, first she taught LSAC and other things and was doing Linklater again. 4 00:38:37So it was sort of like the same class again in a row. And I think Ruth was a really great Linklater teacher. And I don't know if I don't know Trudy and I just had something. I still tell, I, I S I'm still in contact with Ruth. She's my Alexander technique teacher now. And there was a 13 year gap in our relationship, but she'll always say like, oh, I'm going to this conference, Judy. I said, hi. You know, cause when I got my letter, it said that I had three absences from voice and speech. 4 00:39:18And to this day I say, no, I didn't, I would have never done that. Like I was pretty committed. She, I had a full freedom, so I was born like tongue tie and she was like, I want you to go. I never had any speech issues, but she's like, I want you to go see this doctor. So I went to see this Dr. Bastion. And he was an ear nose and throat guy that worked with actors in Chicago. And he was like, oh my God, let me clip it. And he's like, I've never gotten to do it. And I was like, so it's a little thing underneath your tongue. So it's, it actually tells your tongue behind your bottom teeth. Like everybody's develops that way when you're pouring it recedes. 4 00:40:00If you're not, they usually just clip it when you were born, but they never discovered mine. And so I wound up letting this doctor like do it. And then I had rehearsal for like my intro with Trudy. And I just remember meeting her in her office and her being like sticking her thumb in my mouth and being like, oh yeah, you have a significant overbite. Like, and just saying like, you know, you don't have a speech issue, but maybe if you got your tongue released, it would change your speech. You know, it's, I would love to see what it does. You know, I just felt like I was pretty committed to it. And David was my acting teacher second year. 4 00:40:40And in David's class it was like, I could do no wrong. You know what I mean? I remember like almost hating it, like him being like some like, okay, you know, you critique each other's like scenes or improv or whatever you were doing. And he would say, so who saw what ed was doing? And somebody was critiquing it. And they were like, what are you? He was like, you know, what are you talking about? Like, he was like, he was fine. Like, he was like, my opinion is the only one that matters. So, you know, and just being like, okay, so now they hate, 3 00:41:14I have to say I'm shocked that, you 2 00:41:16Know, usually the story is that the second year acting teacher hates your guts and then you get cut. Like, that was my experience. Cause I was cut and then asked back crazy, crazy. But, but it's interesting that David, that thought you could do no wrong in your, as your acting teacher? 4 00:41:39Well, it was really weird because I had David and first quarter I was in David's intro and he gave me a better grade in my intro. Then he did an acting class and I remember him saying to me, do you know why I did that? And me being like, yeah, like, and really having no clue. But I remember, I remember getting into a fight with him in that rehearsal for that intro and him saying something to being able to like, okay, well what, what, what do you want? And he was like, I don't know what, you know, just, you better try something else. Cause that's not working. Like he yelled at me and everybody was like, oh, and David and I used to take these, walks around the block at the theater school and have these little chats. And he was like, you know, he, he, he gave me every indication that he thought I was talented. 4 00:42:22And then I remember my second year of him saying to me, do you really want to be here for another two years? And I was like, well, yeah, you know, I really want a degree. And he was like, what are you going to get out of us Shakespeare classes? And I remember, and I was like, oh. And then I remember telling him about my issues with Trudy and him being like, you know, Trudy he's like, I'm the head of the voice and speech, which I didn't even didn't really even know at the time, you know, it was odd to me that he was, and, and then, but then he gave me, but then he gave me a bad grade, like enacting class. And so it was sort of like this. I was like, what the fuck? 4 00:43:02Like what, you know? And I just, you know, and then in my intros I was always like a middle-aged alcoholic. Like every single one, you know, or that I was like the alcoholic vicar in that horrible, a farce that thought it'll coat did where my, like I walked in the room in my pants, you know? And Corpus, yeah. It was like, first of all, farce is tough. You know, it's a tough, and for some reason they thought, you know, I heard this a lot about our class. Like, oh, these guys could do it. Like they could graph it. Well, guess what we couldn't and it fucking sucked. It was just like Riddick. 4 00:43:43I was like, Betty Hill, is that what I'm doing? Like, it was just like, it, it, 2 00:43:50It, it's hard to be funny care, but like the experience it makes you funny 4 00:43:59Is that I remember seeing David's like intro second quarter. It was like bomb and Gilliad. And I was like, why don't I get to play one of these like transvestite hookers? Like I can do that. And then it just wasn't, it, it was like the autumn garden, my last one. And again, it was like, I mean, Eric Yancey, I drink so much peach tea my second year of, cause the dining room was my first one. And it was like all of these like waspy, you know, I played like one little boy, that's the scene. We, we, we sorta had a yelling match about, but it was so I don't know. I mean, I was, I was, I remember Noel being like I got in and you didn't. 4 00:44:43I was just like, I didn't really, the thing was, I thought they stopped going to New York for the, I didn't ever have a desire to be on television or in the movies I wanted to be in the theater. And I went to the theater school and I sort of saw that transitioning transition happening. It was kind of like, I have no desire to live in LA. I just think it's like the new years and fake foods. Like, that's all I could think of when I'm thinking of LA. Like it was a desert, everything there is artificial. Like every, every blade of grass is like planted. I don't know. And I thought I was okay with it for a while. Cause when I moved home and my stepfather died kind of suddenly like that summer and you know, it was one of those things like, okay, everything happens for a reason, you know, it's really hard. 4 00:45:34Yeah. My mom, my father had passed away, but he was sick for a really long time. And so I think she was like prepared for that and she wasn't really prepared for my stepfather dying. And so I was okay with it for a long time, but I really, till recently we realized like, I think it really, you know, I remember somebody calling me and asking me to do it a play and not wanting to do it because I had to a lot of musical theater. And I was like, when I did the first play, I was like, wow, musical series is so hard. I'm like, why am I doing this? Like, you know, I sang a lot, but I was like, I hate singing. 4 00:46:14You know, I really don't even like it. And I just, so I, you know, I never saw myself as any Shakespeare characters. Like I was like, you know, I had to read every male part in high school and English class. I read every like male part while the teacher read every female part. And I was like, I hate Shakespeare. Maybe this isn't the place for me. What was disappointing about it is that I wanted it to agree, you know? And I was a good student and I think that my circumstance, this is just sort of allowed me to sort of flounder a bit and not really have a, a footing, not really have any direction, you know? 4 00:47:01So I had some great mentors and I did do some more things and, but very little. And then I moved to New York and it was really not about that. You know, it was about just see what else was out there. I just excited. I was like, okay, I'm moving to New York. And I had worked for J crew for a couple of years and I had left and I called them up. It was like a move to the city. I needed a job and they gave me a job and I started going out in the city. Somebody took me to a nightclub and it was like the first time ever. I was like, you know, we would go see, I, I saw the last grateful dead show in Chicago. 4 00:47:45Like we went to fish, meaner Bana when we were out there. And when I went into this like sort of world of these nightclubs and sort of saw all of these like characters that were present, I sort of became one. You know, I was, it was like my job to go out and, and have fun in sort of a clown. And it was, it was an interesting time in my life. I like to call it the turn of the last century, but it was like from, so I guess I, I moved to the city from like 98 till 2000, or I guess it was 99 till 2003 is when I moved here. 4 00:48:37So I was there for about four years, you know, I worked at the world trade center that was, you know, and I think that compounded things. And I think it sort of made me realize that I was having a lot of fun in New York. You know, I had this, I had great roommates. We had a great loft in Brooklyn, these crazy parties that were like before Brooklyn was cool. I say like, we've priced ourselves out of it. You know, we made it cool. And then, but it was nothing I could sustain or really even monetize. 4 00:49:20You know, there was always like the job that I had to maintain to with, I really had no desire to do theater and I didn't for about another 10 years till I moved here. And, and I was okay with that, you know, I was sort of working in retail and I realized, you know, later that the whole going out and becoming this like character, which I didn't really think I was doing at the time, but I really was, you know, doing things that I'd never done before, or, you know, even these parties were like insane. 4 00:50:02We would like wear like Russian military uniforms and have 200 people in a Japanese go-go band at our house and fill up, we would like fill up kiddie pools with water. We had a great space. And so we did, and I lived with a caricature artist and all these kids from Vassar and it was just, you know, we'd get like a sitar player and, and have like an opium den. And I just 2 00:50:40Have a question I have to go back to, what was your character like? What was your, your nightclub character? Sure. 4 00:50:48So I always joke that I looked like, like huckleberry Finn, you know, I was working for J crew, but I was, I was just myself, you know, I, I would, I had my baseball cap and I had this baseball cap that said ack, which is actually the three letter code for new work airport. And I'm sorry for Nantucket airport. My initials are the Newark airport and people. And so ack people. And I would like, have my pants rolled up different, you know, I worked for J crew. So I was like a walking, like, you know, the J crew like twist that, how it used to be pants rolled up at different lengths and like maybe, or I'd wear like a crusher hat or something. 4 00:51:29And I'd get in line with these people who were like going to bang, bang, and buying their like, you know, tight leather pants and stuff. And it just became like this. I was, you know, I was kind of like a quirky, you know, I dressed, I danced a little funny. I, I attribute movement to music to that. You know, I sort of just followed these impulses that had me sort of stomping my feet a lot. And I danced with my face a lot and I would show up with like a big bunch of gerbera daisies and a couple inflatable sunshines. 4 00:52:08And, you know, I had one friend Franco, who's the only person that I ever went out with. I could always go out by myself and, you know, leave by myself. And I would just, you know, do these fun things. Like, you know, I wrote like a Valentine to the world and like, you know, we put on red paper and pass it out to everybody. Or we would, we'd bring junior mints to junior, was the DJ and pass them out to everybody. Yeah. And people, you know, I was talking about the hat. People would say like, like, what does ack stand for? What does ack stand for? And I got, you know, and that goes to the three letter code for Newark airport. 4 00:52:52And I got so sick of it. I started this thing, like the hairball remover that Cass asked for by name, you know, like, and I didn't really, I never, you know, I still sort of felt like I didn't belong there. You know, it was kind of like this secret thing, but you know, you cold places all the time. And then people start, you know, recognizing you and, you know, you start like getting in for free or, you know, and I found these places where it just seemed, I was appreciated, you know, people would, and I met a lot of such interesting people. I mean, everybody from people who were, you know, Sharman to, there was some pretty, you know, crazy shenanigans that went on, you know, at the time. 4 00:53:44And some people that, I mean, everyone from Tonya Harding and then it comes out and she was interesting to me, but that's like the funniest story I ever time, I let her Newport cigarette for her. Like I do the Catholics, I would see it. Evan am, you know? Okay. 2 00:54:01So I'm just, there's like a theme here, which is that you went to the theater school for two years, and then all of a sudden you had to leave while you might have otherwise been processing your grief about that. You had to go all of a sudden process with your mom because she lost her second husband. And then you moved to New York to get that life going. And then nine 11 happened and you were working at the world trade center. So you have had major Griffis interruptus. 4 00:54:36It's true. Yeah. I, I think, and, and, and I've recognized in my life that I have a hard time, like getting things done that are in my normal routine. Like say, like getting my car inspected, you know, it's like once a year and it's like, whoa, you know, so when things like that happen, it takes me a long time to regroup. And you know, I'm not gonna, you know, sit here and say that I'm, that it, you know, these things like ruined my life in any way, shape or form, you know, I I'm, I'm so lucky that I, you know, I've been in the circumstances that I've been in and that I have a great family and that, you know, I always had a bit of a safety net. 4 00:55:25Not like some people, like, I didn't really have a safety net. Like I felt like in New York, I couldn't do theater because I wasn't independently wealthy. And I, and there was just no place to, you know, you really, it just doesn't exist anymore. You know, if you notice people who go to New York and become directors and, you know, actors are either, you know, inherit that position. I have 2 00:55:52Another way of making money, even though even this Celia Keenan Bolger's of the world. I mean, it is, you cannot, you cannot make a living, even if you're on Broadway. 4 00:56:04Right. It's true. You know, and it's, and it just became, I just became disenchanted with it. You know, I was like, I mean, I still love the theater, you know? And I was, like I said, I was really lucky. I had, you guys were talking about those monologue books, know like Jocelyn Baird is the woman who edited all of those books, which I didn't know, but she was someone who I did theater with when I was like in high school, she's who she picked my audition monologues. And she, you know, I'm still in contact with her. She's a playwright. And she went to Yale. She coaches kids on how to get into programs now, stuff that I was like, what is my brand, that kind of thing. 4 00:56:54But it's like, I, commercial theater I guess, was exciting to me in a certain way, but it was, you know, it was other theater that I liked too. And I don't think it was just theater. I think it was just art, you know? And I think it was like art in life is what I've discovered. You know, like everything is art, you can make anything artistic. And I think that's kind of what I do. I just haven't shaped it in a way, like, I need to write a book. 2 00:57:28You haven't been able to shape it because you've had suspend a lot of time in reaction mode, you know, to various losses 4 00:57:35That, yeah, like the whole nine 11 thing. I, you know, I remember, I didn't tell anyone that for years, you know, it was just something that, I mean, my friends knew there was, there was an Edward Ryan who died that day, who was from Westchester and star. And so there were people like my old boss, Alyssa, who was a harpist and a composer who I worked for as a personal assistant. And, you know, she just heard like names bred off. She knew that's where I worked. You know, we didn't have very few people had cell phones. I ran into one of her three sons and he was like, we got to call my mother. 4 00:58:16I was like, she literally was, she was afraid to call my mom. She was like, that was the only contact number I had for you is your house phone. And I didn't want to upset her. And I was like, oh my God. I just thought I was Ted. I, I will, could been, you know, it was, yeah, it was, it was a rough, it was a rough day, you know, I've had better. And it was my first day back after like 10 days of vacation. And we opened, there was a mall in the building six where the big divot down to the path, trains wound up, you know, the, the second tower that fell. 4 00:58:58And luckily, you know, we were really lucky. We, I, we locked ourselves in at first. I mean, we didn't have any sort of clue what was going on, you know, when you were sort of in it, even it wasn't until we got to the Seaport that we realized that there was planes being flown into the building. You know, I was like, we heard the second plane and we crossed the street and we saw the second building on fire. But at that point we thought somebody was like dropping bombs or shooting missile. You know, we couldn't, you know, come up with the, the idea of someone flying planes into the building. And, and I was like, you know, what do I, what do we do? 4 00:59:41You know, I was like, we're dead. And I was all right with it actually, you know, it was a, it was a strange feeling, but I was like, I'm okay with that. Like, I'm not going to spend my last moments here, screaming, yelling, running, like, you know, there's like this peacefulness about it. And I remember my nephew had been born, my sister's second son who lives here and I had never met him. And so that was the only like little thing I thought about as a regret. And then luckily we were okay, you know, and it was a long, you know, process of sort of also from my loft, I could see this, you know, smoke stack for the next, you know, three weeks. 4 01:00:29And I, even that day, I didn't really process anything until I got to a friend's house. And I, I, they were all there watching the news and I laid down behind them. They were like sitting in my futon and I like fell asleep. My adrenaline like finally ran out and then I woke up and I went home to my loft and the two girls that lived there, Lily and Rebecca were there and they just like grabbed me. And I don't think I stopped crying for like two days. Like I didn't leave the house. I didn't do anything. You know, I talked to my mother, but it was sort of like I was at work. 4 01:01:09So it was like, you know, and I was responsible for other people. And I, I felt like I also have to advocate for those people in the moment, you know, where they were like, oh, you know, well, you can come work at, you know, fifth avenue that day. And I was like, yeah, they're not going to work anywhere today. You know? And it was so I didn't tell anybody because people's reactions were so strong and I didn't want to like tell the story all the time, you know? And so I just didn't tell anybody for a long time. And I realized when I did that, it was actually helpful, you know, to talk about it and to talk about the, the impact of it. 4 01:01:54And I think that it, you know, made me a little more, maybe maybe careless or in a living, but also really living like really living, you know, in the moment, you know, and knowing what that meant, nothing like a little, you know, little flying a plane into your buildings to wake you up. Yeah. Yeah. So that was 2 01:02:22Yet the third or the fourth thing, which is that you graduated from school three years ago. I don't know if you were what you were planning to do when you left, but then the pandemic happened. 4 01:02:34Oh yeah. Not even three years ago. It was a year ago. Oh, that's when you were done was a year ago. Yeah, it was may. I went back to school in 2000, I guess it was 2019. I went for, so I got a bachelor's degree, but I went to Nepal for two years and I went there for a year and a half. So I somehow finished a four year degree in three and a half years, but yeah, I had enough credits. So I was like, bye. And yeah, I was stage managing for them a production. They were doing a little shop of horrors, which was really interesting stage managing and just sort of doing everything for them, for these kids. And I felt so terrible for them. 4 01:03:14And I mean, everything is still there. Like all the props we made, everything is just, I keep thinking of the Titanic it's frozen in time because they decided that even in spring, they were going to be fully remote because they didn't, they didn't think it was fair to leave it to the last minute to decide they wanted people to be able to kiss those sort of ducks in a row and, and know what to expect. Cause I think that was really one of the hardest things on any students or kids during the whole pandemic was like every, you know, the, from month to month, they didn't know what was coming next. You know? 2 01:03:49I mean, I kind of feel like that's how I had spent sort of the stopping and starting of Edward Ryan you've sort of stopped and started and stopped and started. And, and now you, you, you started school, you finished school and you were, and so the kids too, but also you stopping and starting. Yeah. 4 01:04:07Yeah. I mean, I think, I think that, you know, I have a little more, I have some more skills to deal with it. You know, I have a little more, it's like my work at school, you know, just cultivating creativity with this class that really affected me and sort of made me realize that I was more than just a theater artist probably. And do you remember those photographs in the like nineties of like different, like the Beastie boys are run DMC and they were on the rooftops of buildings. So this guy, John Nardell was that photographer. He worked for all these different it's, he's not the person you would expect to be taking photographs, but he was a teacher at the school and he taught this class and this class is so annoying. 4 01:04:55Like it's going to really drive me crazy. And all the kids were really like, he railed against like every assignment does a lot of work and we weren't allowed to buy anything. We had to make everything. And, you know, he gave us a lot of art supplies, but we had to like build vessels to like carry them in and incorporate every handout somehow creatively into this, into this book. And I mean, it was a lot of work and I would, I stay up till three o'clock in the morning, like, you know, making these things and doing the stuff. And he was like, you know, your work is like, incredible it's so it's, it's so much beyond, you know, what were some of the kids are doing here? 4 01:05:36And I was like, well, it shouldn't be, you know, like I have a little, few more resources than they have in their dorm and, you know, but, but the kids too, they were sometimes inspired in that to, you know, these kids to inspire them was like such a, a great thing because they were, so some of them were so disenchanted. And by the end of this class, you could just see that they had all found like what they were good at, like what sort of creative, artistic thing that they really connected with and that they loved and that they were just excelling in. And it was so exciting. Like it was really a, it was a great class. 4 01:06:18I 2 01:06:18Love that it was called cultivating creativity. 4 01:06:21Yeah. Good class. And I mean, you know, we either studied artists or, or, or techniques from Zen, Zen, Zen doodle, or 2 01:06:35Zen doodle. Yeah. There's 4 01:06:36Dan tangles. Yeah. Like he was a Venn tangle instructor. So, you know, we started with that. We did, like, we studied like in Stein and like, it is like sort of pop flags. And we each took a, a country. We were assigned to country and their flag and we, you know, created, you know, work from that. It was a really a great class, but hard, you know, these kids were not used to being asked to do to actually like work. I mean, the school itself knows who their students are. I think a lot of them have, you know, different accommodations and different, you know, struggles or opportunities. 4 01:07:18And, you know, they come from, like I said, an underserved communities and places, and it's like one of those places where, you know, if like Frank, the guy who ran the program was like, I couldn't let, just kidnapped graduate, you know, you know, like there's no way. And you know, whether it's paying his tuition bill or, you know, or raising money, whatever needs to happen. And, and, you know, he got me ready and Frank got me writing again. I directed, I took a directing class, which was a great read life, you know, so great books. 4 01:08:01And it was fun. You know, I really sort of was inspired to just be creative. And I looked at some MFA programs and I auditioned at Yale and I, I think I realized I did not get in, but I realized before that, that I, and Ruth was like, do you really want to go there? And I was like, you know, it's yeah. You know, and she's like, Hmm. And when I went there, I realized what she meant it, like, first of all, it's a shithole about bad facilities, you know, while you're waiting in an old computer lab with like broken computers, stacked in the corner, going this girl from West Virginia, she was a young girls high. And from what I was like, oh, this is what you thought. Yeah. You know, and I sort of felt like they had given the keys, you know, it was like the opposite of the theater school. 4 01:08:48It was like the kids were running that place. I mean, they held all the power and I think it's, it's sort of the way things are going these days, you know, with the me too movement teachers are one of the teachers at Yale said we are the only teachers that have to teach our students naked sometimes. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what? We are the only teachers that have to teach their students naked. Sometimes 2 01:09:15The students are naked or the teachers are the students. What for, for zoom? I mean, on zoom, they're naked. 4 01:09:21No. I mean just different productions where, you know, they are directing a student who is nude and that's why there's intimacy coaches and all of that now, you know, to protect them. Because I mean, you can obviously see working in close proximity with a naked student that could open you up to problems, say like at the school, like what did Kat call it a spontaneous sex of study naps. I mean, there was a loud groping and touching going on that was like, you know, probably, you know, innocent, but you know, could certainly have been a trigger for some people. Sure. You know, like Trudy shoving her thumb in my mouth. 4 01:10:03Yeah. Not good. Not good. Yeah. So that was the day I had three, sorry, three absences. And I was, and I, myself use was damaged by habitual use was the other thing on my letter when I got cut from the theater school, self use was debt is damaged by habitual. You understand what that means? Well, neither did I. I mean, but as I think at that age, I just thought, well, I'm damaged. 2 01:10:31I also can tell you that Rick Murphy, when we were doing set, a very similar thing that David said to you, so I'm doing space work. Rick comes up to me, whispers in my ear. What are you doing? Drop out and go see the world. 4 01:10:48Yeah. 2 01:10:49And I'm like, I'm like doing work first year, second year. I don't remember. He whispered in my ear, why are you here? Go, go see the world or something. And I was like, what is happening? 4 01:11:02You know, I loved Rick Murphy. I mean, he was just like magic, right? I mean, this is not a pipe dream was like, so in captivity it was called freewill and one lust back then. And that was the other thing I wanted to tell you 2 01:11:20That it changed names. Oh no, no, no

Jesus Is The Cornerstone Of The Church! Not A Building, The Common Thread Of Love That’s In Us And The Body Of Christ. LOVE! Ephesians 2:18 - 22 18For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. 19Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

John 20:1923 (ESV) Jesus Appears to the Disciples 19On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, Peace be with you. 20When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. 21Jesus said to them again, Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you. 22And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.

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Ephesians 1-15-23 -ESV--15For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love toward all the saints, -16I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, -17that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, -18having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, -19and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might -20that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, -21far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. -22And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, -23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

 JEFF STERNS CONNECTED THROUGH CARS Jeff and Jay jam about the car business, reminisce about arguing with Grant Cardone at a conference, Jay's serial entrepreneurship and well....cars!   00:11 This is how Jay smithwick arrives to the Jeff Sterns podcast.       Jeff Sterns  01:22And when you said to me, would you pay $500 a month for you to have all of your inventory on the internet so they can see it instantly. So if Jay can put all my cars on the website, I still have to FedEx some because not everyone has internet yet     Jeff Sterns  05:02 So I was one that I remember one time, I don't remember the struggle that you and I were having. I don't remember what it was, but I remember that it was the first time I ever thought of calling somebody's wife.     Jay  08:39 I was trying to get out of the car business because it was just beating me up and I still was having issues personally with myself. answered an ad went to a company that had the big brick cell phone wired cars RVs and that if you push the button, it called rural Metro … It was the OnStar before OnStar         Jay  11:22  you forgot surf bike. I don't even remember surf, though. There was an ad in a newspaper about a marketing representative. And because I've served, I gravitated to this 12 foot long PVC board with a bike seat and bike pedal. And I marketed it for I think I took the job of $500 a week and I drove around Florida and inevitably realized that to put a bike that rode in on the water you don't do it in Florida, why 10 months of outdoor activity, alligators and freshwater with lily pads to get tangled     Jeff Sterns  12:20We we bought the Rolls-Royce franchise… it was the strangest thing. It was a Buy Here Pay it was Bennett auto sales   Jay  14:34 now understand for the audience. For Carlisle Lincoln mercury in 1994 we attend a Grant Cardone motivational car knowledge  conference with 200 salespeople in the Tampa Bay area. Yeah, and I actually forgot that I actually go with Jeff Sterns, we're gonna go see Grant Cardone, you know, salesman, we're bored. He comes another rah rah blah, blah, blah. In the front row, we have to sit. …   Jeff Sterns  15:47only one topic that we argued about, obviously, I'm not the one with the private jets and the 10,000 square foot condo.           Jeff Sterns  17:11 And in the end, we ended up being number one in certified Pre Owned rolls and Bentley in the nation. We ended up being number one in Rolls Royce east of the Mississippi. So I'm sure people in California or Vegas or Arizona or someone beat us. We were number one are tied for number one customer satisfaction for a number of years with a Houston dealer. awesome guy there. And then when the Bentley Continental GT came out, we had the second largest waiting list on the car after Palm Springs, and people converting from a reservation to a real 20 grand deposit or really ordering the car. We had the highest conversion to really getting a car. So for an area that nobody drove these cars       Jay  18:29 Now let's fast forward. I start AutoExact data photo collection back then 98       Jay  18:55   I said, Jeff, you need to embrace this internet. He goes, No, no, we take photos. And he pulls out stacks of Polaroids. He goes, No, I don't need photos. We just send 2030 Polaroids in an envelope.   Jeff Sterns  19:16 Every time a car came in, right? I take it under the tree so there wasn't glare on the grass, take a few pictures, run it to the drugstore at the corner and get five developed. So when I get phone calls about them, we could FedEx and when you said to me, would you pay $500 a month       Jeff Sterns  19:39 I'm thinking well Geez, we're only a few years from having a website and barely anyone even knows.             Jeff Sterns  21:30 And you're shooting pictures for six or 700 stores now. Yeah.       Jay  22:01 dealer mouth.   Jeff Sterns  22:03Okay. Do we have to talk about the failed business?   Jay  22:07Hey, if you ain't throwing shit up against the wall, you ain't trying. That's right.           Jeff Sterns  23:08 So 11 years ago. 360 booth well, so this is an environment.           Or you would want to own? Even though it was you've never really owned the supercar right.       Jeff Sterns  27:15 But my favorite car at the time, was, Well, you know what? I didn't I didn't have it. So I mean, the car I really wanted at the time was a Ferrari F 40.     Jay  28:33 FF which looks like you know the golf or stationwagon Ferrari. Right? Because of the long wheelbase and the touring in. It's a 12 cylinder. But once again, that's a car that you would love to own. But I wouldn't feel comfortable driving the perception of the Ferrari and the half million dollar car even though it's not but it's not my DNA.       Jeff Sterns  32:00 Well, I mean, I'm sober also about 25 years. I I'd have to look it look up the exact date.   Jay  32:05 Right. Me too.   Jeff Sterns  32:06 I agree that so the reason that we use those of us attics is we're not really looking for a feeling we're usually avoiding. Correct some feeling. And then we later learned that the best way to the other side of the problem is not around, not under it, but just you got to go right through it. Right. And the beautiful thing about getting everything is you get everything. So I love what you just said that about feeling the bad stuff? Because it really does it really well. First of all, when I went sober, and then there you know, one of the steps of sobriety is you got to find make your list of people that  you own amends to.   Jay  32:48 I never got that call, by the way!!   Jeff Sterns  32:53 I've been waiting myself, okay. So you can always you always know friendships on the rocks when they're scorekeeping. So, when you make your list of a men's people, you own a men's two and you go make your men's.         Jeff Sterns  37:30 So you pulled up in a beautiful gt3. Correct. I do remember a Hummer H one.   37:37 Yes.   Jay  37:39 H2s came out. I was surfing pretty regularly at the time. And this is 2006 and I was driving from Tampa to Cocoa Beach and chasing tropical storms and hurricanes before they hit. And then after they left. And I convinced my wife that I needed a like surfing Safari vehicle. And I dreamt one up and I found that Reeves imports. Great people have had a h1, it had us and braid like Sedona, Arizona has landscape on it. But it was brown and had all the big. Everything you wanted in a convertible h1 it was a showcard had like 4000 miles it was more 2000 miles on it bought it for $37,000.   Jeff Sterns  38:25 What are those worth now?   Jay  38:26 over 100?   Jeff Sterns  42:33 well, and cars have a great way of doing that. I mean, you see you get behind the wheel of that car. You're 16 every time reminds you Yeah. And yeah, most of the cars I've chased have been cars that I grew up in that my dad had       Jay  44:30 we're done with the RS. all four wheels turn. So I mean, you want to do a U turn. You just break everybody's neck and just pull it is crazy. is crazy.   Jeff Sterns  44:41 Now the car I heard you talk most about absolutely was the Infinity q45.   Jay  44:47 I thought because that thing had 345 horsepower. Now we're going back to 1993 92 white leather or so it had leather but it was the sedan that had horsepower. It was like, attainable. You talked about it so much. I really did. I really I didn't see it. I never owned     Jay  45:08 the 900 tops Saab turbos in the late    .         Jeff Sterns  45:56 How about when you were selling cars? I mean, you've been in a lot of businesses since do you bring forward? I mean, was that any education for you? Now without doubt,   Jay  46:03 any salesperson needs to go sell cars first. Now back in the day, you didn't sell a car you didn't eat. I mean, there was a draw. But minimum wage, minimum wage, it was a couple 100 bucks. And I remember, and I probably could find it, I've literally got a two week check for like a buck and a half, right? Because   Jeff Sterns  46:21 they take the draw back. When you add more to that to your drug dealer.   Jay  46:26 You make like a $2,000, check and get $1 50 back because they have taken all the draw because you didn't sell anything because you were pretty occupied doing whatever the hell you're doing. Okay. But that truly made me who I was the desire was there. But now the car business gave me the hunger. So when you did work in the car business, you made money.   Jeff Sterns  46:45 You know, Jay, I always said that. Everybody, when they get out of school should go to Europe for one or two or three months see the military, right? And needs to sell cars for a year? Absolutely. I think you learn more about the human condition, telling people what their trading is worth, and having to nurse them through that thing. Correct.   Jay  47:06 You just got your head ripped off, you owe five grand more than it's worth. And now I get to bury that equity into your car and add to it just it's brutal.   Jeff Sterns  47:19 Right, but it's there's a lot of life skills in there. And it's funny the guys I've talked to already on these shows, or talked to about going on the show that are highly successful, interesting people. You know, we talked about Billy, I hear if they've sold cars I hear over and over again, everything that I ever I was able to pull everything forward for my car selling experience   Jay  47:40 in my industry in the same respect to though back when we were selling cars. 1% of the people lasted a year.   Jeff Sterns  47:47 Right? There's a little bit of turnover   Jay  47:49 was a lot of turnover, because you either had to sell or you starve. And then you had a lot that made me who I am. And every day even though I can probably pay my bills for a solid six months, I still get out and think I'm broke and it's time to go to work.   Jeff Sterns  48:06 Now you've never acted comfortable. No,   Jay  48:08 I know. If you're comfortable. You're in trouble. So where have you been?   Jeff Sterns  48:13 What countries   Jay  48:14 you've been everywhere to Desert Storm Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UAE, northern Iraq, Spain, Northern Africa. And then with 360 booths 3040 days and five trips to New Zealand greatest place ever put it on the bucket list. Australia is great, but it's very similar to Walt Disney World, Orlando. It's very condensed and beautiful in in a small area and then three miles out you're in pasture. In Australia, you're out in the outback. Very cool experience. Guam, Hawaii, Canada, Vancouver's beautiful Anchorage, Alaska. We have a studio that was amazing. you'd hold up your cell phone and you throw away the picture because you just couldn't get the scale. Right of Alaska. You just can't do it. God bless you when you shoot a photo that looks great in Alaska. So to date today, this year during COVID and since the January of last year, I've traveled 6.6 and a half times around the Earth in airline miles. I've got 900 cities, I'm from May I got 141 flights and love every minute of it.   Jeff Sterns  49:30 You are amazing, you know from an energy level from adapting. And what I mean from adapting is, I know that when you make a flight, you sometimes need to get up at two in the morning or 10 in the morning or time zones or going overseas to go or be okay   Jay  49:46 I leave San Jose adapting that was a great because I was like boy, I must have really done well. I would have jumped out of the plane. However late leaving Dallas closes the airport get to the tarmac. You're sitting there for an hour. 45 minutes, get out of the plane, go to the rental car agency, you're there another two hours, my plane was supposed to leave its land at 730. I left the airport and rental it 15 minutes after midnight. So with no hairy carry events, but you love it. I   Jeff Sterns  50:17 mean, you know, I mean, being on the road isn't as sexy. Now, it's cracked up to be for now for some people. But for you, it's amazing to me, and I don't want to put this wrong. Like, you don't necessarily need the next sale like, and I'm kind of the same. I come to work every day like my lights are gonna go out if I don't sell something, right. And I think you do the same thing. Absolutely. Yeah. And the way that you travel, but you put yourself into these situations that are uncomfortable and you adapt, adapt, adapt, and you're still socially posting for your business and personally, and it's upbeat messages and it's positive   Jay  50:53 and it's business now borderlines a little crazy. So I'll fly to New Zealand on a one way ticket. Okay, like, Who does that? My wife says where you stand, I'll find a place when I land. You can't book travel, and hope that that schedule goes, it's way too stressful. It's far less stressful, a little more costly to book as you travel through. So when I start my week, I'll make my appointments. And then I'll just book tickets an hour before the plane leaves. So you couldn't take an average person and ride shotgun with me because you would be into some type of panic shingles attack within about six hours.   Jeff Sterns  51:35 But is it more costly? Or is it cheaper to book an hour before?   Jay  51:40 And I would say 75% of the time, we have COVID extremely cheap, right? Because now they just need to fill a seat. Right? Like one of my guys are going to Vancouver Monday. It's $129. Right?   51:53 nuts.   Jay  51:53 The Vancouver from Tampa. It's not correct. It's one stop. But you know, I was just telling my wife, I got home, I was tired. And I said, Boy, if the traveling doesn't humble, humble you because right now they're in COVID, you go to California, the restaurants are angry. They literally made him take all the furniture out of the restaurant so you can sit down. Then you go to Florida, where you're wearing masks inside. But everything is open and we're going to town. I'll sit at a restaurant in Dallas and I don't want to wait for a seat. So I sit at the bar and I'm elbow to elbow with somebody else. And that experience of being able to do those things. Like I was in Dallas, it was 39 degrees of rain and took a picture of the dash on the highway. And then I took one here in Tampa Three hours later, and it's 84 and sunny. It's very humbling to do that. I call it time traveling, right? I'm not gonna have anybody beat me either, where the others are doing zoom calls and hoping for the best my asses in the seat making should happen. And it's not always a winner. There's not always a winner.   Jeff Sterns  53:00 So you travel the way you travel. You've been You've done enough airline miles to do three and a half times around the Earth already discounting. Excuse me six and a half this year. You and your wife ever want to take a vacation is that.   Jay  53:15 So early days? Well, we didn't do vacations for 10 years starting a business. And then I really love Laguna as you can tell, but we would rent a little house for 10 days prior to season. So like 10 days for three grand versus eight grand a week. In June, we'd go to Laguna and but now we have an elderly dog. We now have 360 booths. She'll do 14 hours a day, six, seven days a week. Just trying to keep up with the taxes the influx employees out of three auto exact AI team in 360 booths phenomenal I get to pick from auto exact for the guys. vacation. No we have no desire to go to Mexico or to the beaches. I think we're all in the Clearwater Tampa Bay area at the poor man's Bahamas. So why go to the Bahamas. I would like to take her to Laguna and go back to her house again. I would love to take her up to Lake Tahoe. I was there during COVID I mean go to like Tao. It's gorgeous. We haven't 19 year old dog death. It's her baby. Our baby but she so right now you can't fly. So it's been two years since she's flown.   Jeff Sterns  54:27 Now. How about your own bucket list? I mean, God forbid you mentioned this aneurism. Right and you're diagnosed with this aneurysm. There's nothing you can do nothing.   Jay  54:37 You hope it does and six months to a year. You hope it doesn't grow. You try to eat right stay away from sugars. You basically and I bet a bet. After diagnose I just start to play with your head sure that you're a ticking time bomb. So I went up to Cleveland Clinic, schedule appointment. Linux great. I felt like a VIP guests there. But it cost me dearly for going out of going out of   55:08 pocket of your engineers who I know. But   Jay  55:13 yes, you do not stay healthy and don't hold your breath and lift something heavy is basically what they say.   Jeff Sterns  55:19 But changing your diet impacts the possibility of this thing. No,   Jay  55:23 nothing's gonna grow. It'll only make it worse. So you can't like shrink it. Okay. Yeah, you know, it's there. Like, COVID I'm gonna live my life. I'm gonna wash my hands, put my mask on and do everything possible not to get sick. Not because of the aneurysm because I don't be sick, right? Um, so live your life and you go on. I can't live in a closet.   Jeff Sterns  55:46 But it seems like you're doing everything you want to do. Is it possible that you could have a bucket list? Is there anything you want to do? You haven't done?   Jay  55:53 You know, it's crazy. I never really I tried to see as much as I can. When I travel. My last time to Australia, I decided, well, I'm going to do something. So I hit Great White, and I actually found one of two places in the world, South Australia. Lincoln, Port Lincoln, you bought a boat at 6am. It's a little fishing village, surf village in South Australia. You bought a boat and you go out through a past where you get two hours of 10 foot waves. But when you get out to the grounds, there's seals clean for dear life and great whites, they drop a cage off the back of the boat. And on a ventilator you jump into like 47 degree water. And you see great whites. And that was not necessarily buckless I never even thought that was humanly possible. It was a National Geographics thing, right? And when you first see it, and you're in the cage, right, isn't there wasn't there for me it was like I'm seeing Bigfoot, because you only see that on TV. But boy, incredible. Wasn't a bucket list. I don't really have a bucket list. I really, you know, I saw my first wife die of melanoma cancer. So you can't live with regrets. So I tried to live now bucket lists or bucket lists for me it was not 100 foot yacht or private plane or things like that. But it's definitely to, you know, do what you can to have this experience called life.   Jeff Sterns  57:23 Well, Jay, I think we might be at an hour. Oh, we're waiting. And I know you're at your limit and an hour. The reason I wanted to have you first of all appreciate the friendship, I appreciate you. You're in town just a few days and you came out to the Jeff Sterns Studio solely took your time New Year, I   Jay  57:38 thought it was a Saturday, it's a Friday. So New Year's Day, by the way, right.   Jeff Sterns  57:43 And the reason I wanted to have you on here, the value I wanted to give to the listener, whether they're in the car business or not in the car business, is you weren't a particularly phenomenal student and you went into the military, trying to give yourself a little discipline, right? You've got your demons, like a lot of us do with   Jay  58:01 if you don't   Jeff Sterns  58:02 have one, you're kidding yourself that whatever. You're a lowly car salesman, lonely, you tried a few entrepreneurial,   58:11 had two things add to   Jeff Sterns  58:14 and you know, you've done you deserve all of your success with your 607 whatever. You have car dealers that you're taking upon the hour of the day. Yeah, do they come and go? I understand.   58:25 How many staff do you have?   Jay  58:27 I think there's just over 50 or 60. Right now. I actually Marcus runs it. So unless there's issues, I've watched everybody's emails, it runs pretty smooth. And Marcus, he's phenomenal.   Jeff Sterns  58:40 Now, Marcus, you're not here to defend yourself. So   58:41 I'll just say it,   Jeff Sterns  58:42 I showed you how to take a picture of a car under the tree without the glare on it. There's nothing you can do. I'll make that a promo clip. I'll just pull that out for 30 seconds, that'll be Marcus's clip, but I appreciate it. I hope that the listener or the viewer, got a little inspiration about what can be done by anybody. I mean, I think statistically, I mean, I don't take anything away from you. Right, but I think if you look back on yourself, statistically,

" 22And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” KJV Matt. Chapter 21

Dealing with Doubt By Louie Marsh, 11-8-2020   Introduction: 4 pictures then…   2 out of every 3 Christians admit to experiencing a season of spiritual doubt. More than a quarter of Christ-followers still find themselves doubting. The most common response to spiritual doubt? Quit attending church (46%)   Look around you this morning. 1 out of every 4 people you see is struggling with spiritual doubt – right now.   1) Doubt is a fairly COMMON experience.   “17And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted.” (Matthew 28:17, ESV)   What is doubt?   Faith -  Committed to affirming something is true   Unbelief – Committed to denying something is true   Doubt – No commitment because I’m not sure.   Doubt is being UNSURE about something.       Jesus didn’t CONDEMN believes who had doubts.   “27Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.”” (John 20:27, ESV)   2) I need to recognize and deal with it IMMEDIATELY.   “6But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.” (James 1:6, ESV)   “26Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27and give no opportunity to the devil.” (Ephesians 4:26–27, ESV)   “23So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.” (Matthew 5:23–24, ESV)   3) You deal with doubt by RUNNING TOWARDS God, not away from Him!   “Wrong Way” Riegels   On January 1, 1929, the Golden Bears faced the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, California, USA. Midway through the second quarter, Riegels, who played center on both offensive and defensive lines and who was then playing in a role similar to that of the modern defensive nose guard or nose tackle, picked up a fumble by Tech's Jack "Stumpy" Thomason. Just 30 yards away from the Yellow Jackets' end zone, Riegels was somehow turned around and ran 69 yards in the wrong direction. The following describes what transpired from Riegels perspective:   I was running toward the sidelines when I picked up the ball," Riegels told The Associated Press. "I started to turn to my left toward Tech's goal. Somebody shoved me and I bounded right off into a tackler. In pivoting to get away from him, I completely lost my bearings.” — Roy Riegels   “22And it has often cast him into fire and into water, to destroy him. But if you can do anything, have compassion on us and help us.” 23And Jesus said to him, “ ‘If you can’! All things are possible for one who believes.” 24Immediately the father of the child cried out and said, “I believe; help my unbelief!” 25And when Jesus saw that a crowd came running together, he rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, “You mute and deaf spirit, I command you, come out of him and never enter him again.”” (Mark 9:22–25, ESV)   “15but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,” (1 Peter 3:15, ESV)    

You’re listening to Danny, on WHAT : DE HEK podcast. This is the place where I share my experience, knowledge and skills.Transcribed by OtterWelcome along, Matthew. Thank you. Oh my God, I’ve forgotten your last name.Matthew Mewse 0:15Oh, well, that’s no good. You better recut that.Danny de Hek 0:17Yeah, no i’ll keep it in. It’s good… Mewse, Mewse?Matthew Mewse 0:21That’s Right!Danny de Hek 0:22And you are the telephone guy?Matthew Mewse 0:24I’m the telephone manDanny de Hek 0:25Man. See, I’ve already stuffed it up twice.Matthew Mewse 0:28That’s all right, Danny. I’m used to working with children and amateursDanny de Hek 0:32I will fit in perfectly, no worries at all.Matthew Mewse 0:34I’m only kidding.Danny de Hek 0:35I’ve got 12 questions for you.Matthew Mewse 0:36Okay.Danny de Hek 0:37And you can answer them any which way or form you like, All right, I’ll do my best. And I don’t really try to answer the same questions twice. I’ve got my questions here. On the back of my cards.Matthew Mewse 0:46O, Okay.Danny de Hek 0:47I’m gonna actually shuffle themMatthew Mewse 0:50That make a difference?Danny de Hek 0:51Yeah. I have about 110 odd questions. And I’ve actually got a box of them in the Garage and I, when we come on here today, I thought, Oh, my goodness, my questions are in the in the Garage. And it’s all shut off with my green screen. So I grabbed another handful out of my drawer.Matthew Mewse 1:05Don’t know what they are either.Danny de Hek 1:07Maybe the questions I took out of the out of the box, As I didn’t want to use them.Matthew Mewse 1:11OkayDanny de Hek 1:12Let’s see. All right, the first question, oh, my goodness, I can’t even say one of the words. What’s one thing about you you want in your Eulogy?Matthew Mewse 1:22Well, that’s interesting in my Eulogy, or do you mean on my tombstone?Danny de Hek 1:27That might be a better one next time we redo the questions? Maybe like on your tombstone?Matthew Mewse 1:32Okay. Um, I think there are lots of glib responses to that. And there are some funny ones as well. But I think I would probably leave my tombstone for my wife to inscribe, right. And as I think about it, she would probably write something like, Here lies, Matthew muse. And he could make a good case. case, a baker,Danny de Hek 2:02Brilliant food. I love it. Right? That’s question one down. I just realise you’ve got 30 increase in so you might get one extra. Okay. Now, does your family know anything about your family at all? And that’s how we originally made would have been through the business networking underneath?See Full TXT Script at https://www.dehek.com/general/podcast/what-de-hek-12-questions-with-matthew-mewse/

brandon handley00:08All right. Very cool. 00:10Very cool. Well, they'll start it off in 54321 Hey there, spiritual dope. I'm on today with Cody rain Cody rain is like he's a master of all kinds of marketing. He's got the mantas programs got this podcast visceral human 00:27He has a course creators Academy that's powered by the mantas program you're looking to get into video 00:33Code is your guy, he's got the Hitchhiker's Guide to video. He's got so much other he's got so much going on. I personally kind of wonder like how you keep it all together. But you know, it's obvious to me that you've got a system of implementation. 00:46And you just kind of rock it out because you do have your systems in place, but man, thanks for joining us today. How you doing, Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program00:52Hey, thank you so much brother is such a pleasure to be here. Yeah. Man systems in life so many things that we, I love that you talk about systems because we are a system. 01:04We are a series of processes that are constantly executing. We're taking a new devil data developing it, we are processing that data, making decisions utilizing our power of choice and for me. 01:17My brain has been really scattered my whole life, because we'll just say ADHD and all these other random things. And so for me, systems and all that stuff is very, very, I don't want to say it's necessary, but it is important. 01:31And so for me, kind of having that structure is, you know, the one way you do one thing is what you do everything so 01:39I structure my life. 01:40And that reflects in my business man. So with that, yeah, I got a lot going down constantly emotion constantly thinking about the things that a lot of people tend to ignore. 01:50And I appreciate you for having me, man. Today is the best day of my life and I'm so excited. I get to share it with you. brandon handley01:55Now, man. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. I always tell people I've waited my entire life for this moment right 02:01Right. 02:01I mean, because here we are. I mean we everything's everything's built up to this moment. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program02:04Yeah. brandon handley02:05As far as we know, right up until now. 02:07So, so, you know, I think you started off with something pretty well there and and i think it would tie into this piece, but I'm gonna go ahead and ask this piece anyways because it may may hit you differently, right. So, 02:19We, we agree, like the kind of universe speaks through us. Right. And that like when somebody listens to this podcast. It's gonna 02:26They're gonna hear something that you and I didn't even hear right in between our dial. I think like that these guys, this is what they're talking about. Oh my god. So to that person through you today. What, what message do they need to hear me to the universe. 02:42The universe, Dorian, Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program02:43Hey, yo. Gotcha. Man, if I was to speak to anybody. My message to 02:48Everyone at all times. It is, isn't it, it is oneness to what happens when I'm sorry what's most important is what's happening right this very second right this second. 03:03In a perfect kind of will say execution of that or example is I woke up today. 03:08And pleasure to be here right woke up. It's amazing. And for whatever reason, had a song stuck in my head. I don't remember my dreams or anything, per se, but I do remember waking up with a feeling 03:19But then I also remember kind of surrendering to the thoughts and then I put on some music wasn't sure what was going to play and that first song just 03:26Just hit man, it means so well you know when music hits you, that you don't feel any pain. 03:33And so it hit me really hard and I had to kind of surrender to the moment and allow myself to remove judgment to remove you know will say the permissions. I might be asking for to express myself. 03:48And I just stood in the middle of the room in his eyes closed and just listen to this song and try to express myself, honestly. 03:57And I'm just in a moment. Man, am I thinking about what's going on for the rest of day. I'm not worried about what happened to me. I'm not worried about the projects and backlogs and clients and business. None of that stuff. 04:09I'm seriously just being one with the moments just looking at it, breathing filling my heart rate feeling this my skin. The breeze from the fan above me. 04:20And I'm just in the moment and I went to the mirror. I looked at myself and for whatever reason, I looked at myself a little bit longer than normal. It's one thing to recognize yourself. 04:31To experience your reflection. But for me, I felt like I was looking into a whole nother world but connecting at the same time. And I realized that Cody, you're not wasting time. You're seriously experiencing the illusion of it. 04:48And so it was that moment the today this morning that I was so in the moments in the expression. I was actually practicing dynamic freedom. 05:02My ability to do anything and being honest and real with who I am today right is second. And I'm thinking about these things. And I realized 05:13Cody, those, those thoughts are in your head, because that's what you actually want to do. Those are the things that you're interested in. 05:18Go outside man do these things. There's no restrictions practices, man. Get in the moment be more in the moment. And that's why once again today is the best day of my life, brother. brandon handley05:31I love that I actually, I interviewed a you know a transformational coach last night. She's been been at the work for quite some time. And one of the first pieces that she has somebody do 05:44You know she she she coaches, people who are on the business side and how and this podcast is related to this, right. Like, how, how do we integrate our spiritual self all of who we are into 05:56Our business mechanical self right like this robot and, you know, checking off the boxes piece. And one of the things that she hasn't do is just what you said there, which is to do the mirror work. 06:07Right. Look at the mirror and say I am here with myself. I am here with myself. Right. So, I love, I love that you're doing that and, you know, to, to others that are listening and I totally. I think that that's something you should give yourself a shot to right I would Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program06:21Like to express this on that notes. 06:24Sure know about mirror work. 06:26I've never done it. And so I will say this man when we feel like we're doing work. 06:33Like me we're work even having that word work and brandon handley06:37Sure, sure. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program06:37Already has that connotation, or like it's gonna be 06:40It's gonna be difficult. I don't like work right. 06:42Like doing. And so for me today. It's once again. It wasn't like I was out to study myself. I was just in a place 06:51Over the last few months, man. I've been developing and constantly evolving to be more and more and more of the person that I really am and more of the person that I actually want to be 07:03And so today, it was a natural thing that happened. It wasn't like, Hey, I'm working on myself do this. What do you notice it just, I just felt like an energy line. It just kind of pulled me there. I actually caught my own reflection and I was like, I'm going to give you a moment of my time. brandon handley07:22Now hundred percent brandon handley00:16He has a course creators Academy that's powered by the mantas program you're looking to get into video 00:22Code is your guy, he's got the Hitchhiker's Guide to video. He's got so much other he's got so much going on. I personally kind of wonder like how you keep it all together. But you know, it's obvious to me that you've got a system of implementation. 00:35And you just kind of rock it out because you do have your systems in place, but man, thanks for joining us today. How you doing, Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program00:41Hey, thank you so much brother is such a pleasure to be here. Yeah. Man systems in life so many things that we, I love that you talk about systems because we are a system. 00:53We are a series of processes that are constantly executing. We're taking a new devil data developing it, we are processing that data, making decisions utilizing our power of choice and for me. 01:06My brain has been really scattered my whole life, because we'll just say ADHD and all these other random things. And so for me, systems and all that stuff is very, very, I don't want to say it's necessary, but it is important. 01:20And so for me, kind of having that structure is, you know, the one way you do one thing is what you do everything so 01:28I structure my life. 01:29And that reflects in my business man. So with that, yeah, I got a lot going down constantly emotion constantly thinking about the things that a lot of people tend to ignore. brandon handley01:44Now, man. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. I always tell people I've waited my entire life for this moment right 01:50Right. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program01:53Yeah. brandon handley01:54As far as we know, right up until now. 01:56So, so, you know, I think you started off with something pretty well there and and i think it would tie into this piece, but I'm gonna go ahead and ask this piece anyways because it may may hit you differently, right. So, 02:08We, we agree, like the kind of universe speaks through us. Right. And that like when somebody listens to this podcast. It's gonna 02:15They're gonna hear something that you and I didn't even hear right in between our dial. I think like that these guys, this is what they're talking about. Oh my god. So to that person through you today. What, what message do they need to hear me to the universe. 02:31The universe, Dorian, Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program02:32Hey, yo. Gotcha. Man, if I was to speak to anybody. My message to 02:37Everyone at all times. It is, isn't it, it is oneness to what happens when I'm sorry what's most important is what's happening right this very second right this second. 02:52In a perfect kind of will say execution of that or example is I woke up today. 02:57And pleasure to be here right woke up. It's amazing. And for whatever reason, had a song stuck in my head. I don't remember my dreams or anything, per se, but I do remember waking up with a feeling 03:15Just hit man, it means so well you know when music hits you, that you don't feel any pain. 03:22And so it hit me really hard and I had to kind of surrender to the moment and allow myself to remove judgment to remove you know will say the permissions. I might be asking for to express myself. 03:37And I just stood in the middle of the room in his eyes closed and just listen to this song and try to express myself, honestly. 03:46And I'm just in a moment. Man, am I thinking about what's going on for the rest of day. I'm not worried about what happened to me. I'm not worried about the projects and backlogs and clients and business. None of that stuff. 03:58I'm seriously just being one with the moments just looking at it, breathing filling my heart rate feeling this my skin. The breeze from the fan above me. 04:37And so it was that moment the today this morning that I was so in the moments in the expression. I was actually practicing dynamic freedom. 04:51My ability to do anything and being honest and real with who I am today right is second. And I'm thinking about these things. And I realized 05:07Go outside man do these things. There's no restrictions practices, man. Get in the moment be more in the moment. And that's why once again today is the best day of my life, brother. brandon handley05:20I love that I actually, I interviewed a you know a transformational coach last night. She's been been at the work for quite some time. And one of the first pieces that she has somebody do 05:33You know she she she coaches, people who are on the business side and how and this podcast is related to this, right. Like, how, how do we integrate our spiritual self all of who we are into 05:45Our business mechanical self right like this robot and, you know, checking off the boxes piece. And one of the things that she hasn't do is just what you said there, which is to do the mirror work. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program06:10Like to express this on that notes. 06:13Sure know about mirror work. 06:15I've never done it. And so I will say this man when we feel like we're doing work. 06:22Like me we're work even having that word work and brandon handley06:26Sure, sure. 06:29It's gonna be difficult. I don't like work right. 06:31Like doing. And so for me today. It's once again. It wasn't like I was out to study myself. I was just in a place 06:52And so today, it was a natural thing that happened. It wasn't like, Hey, I'm working on myself do this. What do you notice it just, I just felt like an energy line. It just kind of pulled me there. I actually caught my own reflection and I was like, I'm going to give you a moment of my time. brandon handley07:11Now hundred percent Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program07:11Really interesting to think about brandon handley07:14Now, I love, I love it. I mean, you also you also hit on to you know to experiencing the illusion of time right where you were, you were talking about. 07:31You're looking at yourself as a human. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program07:33Being right brandon handley07:35Right, right, right. 07:37And I also love to, you know, you talked about, you know, the permission for greatness. It makes me think of that Banksy one right. The thing you know and it goes, you know, stop asking for, you know, stop asking for permission to be great. 07:46You know, for greatness and yeah Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program07:49It's amazing how that works. 07:50I realized today. And today, maybe is it, is it a coincidence. Is it meant to be that I have this this experience today before we had a chance to speak. I don't know, man, that's the exciting part about being 08:05Right, I'm excited for those moments. I'm really excited to explore them. More importantly, I'm excited for the experience 08:12Because I'm in a constant state of curiosity. I'm a constant state of growth and I know this, I repeat it to myself, and I know it. I feel I am it's it's a staple in my being. 08:23Is to be in a place of evolution. And then when you surrender. A lot of times people go surrender means you got to give up. No. 08:31You have to allow these emotions to set in. I remember feeling it. Tears welled up. I looked at my smile. And I was like, how I'm smiling right now. 08:39Hold. I'm just being I'm just one. I just feel good. I'm accepting these things and yeah just removing those permissions when you go, man. You're the one granting permission but you're also restricting access at the same time. 08:55Yeah, it's conflicting so today I was on that part where I recognized my restriction and I just let that let that down for a little bit so I can just be brandon handley09:04I love it, I love it. You talked about like a, you know, awareness and becoming more of who you are right. Let's talk about that. What does that mean, you know, becoming more aware of the person of who I am. So who do you know, who do you feel like you are Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program09:19You are your truths. brandon handley09:21You are what you say. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program09:22You are brandon handley09:23Okay, so, I mean, 09:25Right, right. 09:25I mean, so I mean what, what does that mean to you, right. Like I always, I think that when we were talking. I'm not sure if I hit, hit on this or not when you have me on. And thanks for having me on. It was a 09:34Great One 09:35Um, you rise to your level of thinking 09:38Right, right. 09:39So who do you think you are right. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program09:42Right. That makes sense. Well, when you think of who you think you are, it puts people in a place of contrast of going, who, who do I want to be my comparing myself to 09:52There is nobody that's going to do a better job at being you than you and if someone can be a better version of you. Then you've got some real work. 10:01Some people are there. 10:02Right. But who am I right, I am what I say I am I'm happy. 10:07Yeah, that's as simple as I could possibly put it, who I am is also what I am is where I am, as well. 10:15When are you 10:16I'm happening in. Yeah. brandon handley10:17Sorry. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program10:18I'm in a place of happy, you know, brandon handley10:19Right. That's a state of being right like a state. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I love it. And you have a great question on your podcast and almost, you know, I think that I'm gonna steal it today for you. 10:30The, you know, and you said you hadn't had the state of awareness yet, right, like, and when did you first fully become aware 10:36Right. Do you feel like you're becoming more aware and, you know, what does that, you know, 10:40What's that mean to you was me to become aware Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program10:43That level of awareness. I've noticed that I'll say over the past two months, right, because I've been surrounded by the most amazing people. 10:53Were all practicing boundaries and communication and connection and actual spiritual enlightenment on a day to day what I've noticed about self awareness is you think you got it and then you level up. 11:05Think you understand it and then you actually understand it and then you feel it, you experience it. 11:12It's a whole different level self awareness for me is coming down to, and I'm going to repeat this absolute truth. 11:21It's not this is what I'm going to say because it's going to sound good, or I don't want to hurt your feelings or I don't want to say this, I'm it's removing those restrictions and being like, Man, I don't like that it's being able to go. That's for me, that isn't for me. 11:35That's a yes for me that's a note to know your level of self awareness stems from not looking at your reflection and going this is two separate entities and I'm connecting and I'm self aware, because I can make choices. 11:49It's literally connecting to as much of your personal truths as possible. It doesn't matter what the truth is because you believe it. 12:00When you're honest with yourself and you're going, I like that. But that's not my thing. I love that because it does this for me. I really enjoy this. 12:11When you can connect with those things because of the truth because of what you've told yourself how you feel about them. 12:18You are more real with everything and everyone. And more importantly, more real with yourself. 12:25And you only do the things that can contribute to your progress through life, your happiness, man. Your success and abundance. It's amazing. So self awareness is first off, recognizing that you're in a place of growth and you don't know everything. brandon handley12:40Right, right, right. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program12:42It's knowing what you like what you don't like even not knowing what you like and don't like is still something that, you know, 12:49So when you're in that place of uncertainty, then you're aware of this, it's looking at these things going. I'm unsure. I'm confused or 12:59I am really centered and focused on this and feels good to me. I'm going to use this belief to guide my behavior in a positive way. So being self aware man is is really just, I'll say complete self awareness is not having to think about this stuff ever you just do brandon handley13:18That yeah well I absolutely i mean but i mean i think that you know some of this stuff is a 13:25You gotta peel back to, you know, societal layers, right, that have kind of been been you know enforced on you right, you're like, Wait a second. All the stuff that I've been taught up into this moment. 13:37It was serving those people 13:39You know, but not necessarily me. It was serving this function, but not my function of growth right type of thing. 13:46So now, and I love it. Right. So let's talk about like how are you applying some of this to your business man like I mean how the other question is like how could you not, but like, you know, 13:57How do you not, but like, how does, how does this, like, you know, like I talked about earlier, you talked about like the robotic guy that you know shows up and just 14:05Eight. And, you know, nine to five or whatever, you know, how is your life different because of this call it a spiritual practice right of your life practice and weaving those together. Talk about that so Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program14:17What I do is build this cerebral super suit for entrepreneurs to connect more deeply with their core audience. 14:24The reality with that is you got to step into the shoes of your clients of your customers of the people you serve. 14:32I don't care if it's the homeless guy. I don't care if it's this. I don't care what solution you're providing or what you're doing in life. 14:38When it comes down to really expanding your business. It doesn't come down to the tech, that's the easy stuff. It doesn't come down to your sequences and your landing pages, all that stuff that's easy connecting with the people that you serve. 14:56comes from a place of oneness. 14:59Of understanding of self. So along the spiritual enlightenment along this journey of personal growth. You're actually opening yourself to understand and feel and have more compassion. 15:12For the people that you're most likely to benefit. More importantly, how they're going to benefit from you. 15:19So for me, I look at oneness and connection that is missing. Now I look at where I'm at. I'm paying attention to how I feel what I'm thinking. 15:29I'm going to state of curiosity. So I'm wondering why that's all that's coming in. I'm going to state of health. So I'm changing the foods have it seen how it affects my body. I'm getting rid of things that don't serve my journey. 15:41And do not serve my focus 15:43And don't really deserve my intention. So when I personally develop as a human being and become more of a human doing 15:53I am putting myself to in a place to thoroughly connect to everyone that I'll be serving which helps me 16:01Develop better wording in my copy when I'm writing an email. It helps me reach out to better people. It helps me attract better clients. 16:07It helps me build better websites helps me build stronger teams, it puts you in a place of connection to who they are in their core. So, the stronger, more 16:21Will stay connected you are to yourself, the more likely you're going to be able to connect to the people that are going to benefit from your product and service. brandon handley16:28Now, I love it, I love it. So, I mean, what I'm hearing in there. Those like you know you determine kind of 16:34How you love yourself and and what serving you. Right, letting go. The things that don't deserve your attention. I love that line, you know, you're going in with your journey and you know be being able to write better copy do better marketing. You're in my mind. 16:51You're tuning yourself. You know, like a crystal tuning. Right. You know, like a radio dial. 16:57To your clients to the people who you can serve. You're like, this is, this is what I'm transmit this is what I'm good at this is what I love to do this is if I was working with you. Oh my god, I would serve you so hard. 17:08Right. 17:09Space, right, like I'm and like you know you're going to be blown away by what I give you, because 17:14You're you you tuned in. Not only did you tuned in. But you to deal with, like, an amplifier on your side you turned it up, you're like, 17:20What's up, Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program17:21Yeah, it's amazing. And lately. My clients have been going. They've been they've been reaching out to me personally. 17:27Outside of like business hours, which is the best feeling ever because now we are connected, we are comfortable 17:33We are really considering each other. We're thinking about each other outside of business hours and it's more of a real relationship and a friendship went up. 17:42And what I have noticed is especially over the last couple months is when you are in a place of curiosity and genuine growth and you recognize that you're there. 17:52You listen more you really, you don't have to speak as much, actually there's a reason why we have one mouth and two ears. 18:00were meant to listen and when we listen to people when you deliver what you actually want to say or how you can contribute 18:09Every word that you say has more impact and more value. Now when it comes to connecting with your clients, how it relates to people in a digital space. 18:18I'm telling you this man, the more self aware you are the more connected you are with the universe and how you relate to it. More importantly, how it is relating to you. 18:29When you write your copy. When you say these words when you create that video when you do those things. You're literally creating with purpose and positive intent. 18:40There are times when I will release something, and I'll type it out and I'll put it up into the digital space. 18:47And it will be the same exact words no difference. Everyone's interpreting it differently from their own level of perception, their mind state. 18:56The people that I love working with are the ones that feel the intent behind the message and pick up on the energy when I wrote it and they feel it speaks to them. And those are the people that I attract. This is why I have such a great time doing what I do. brandon handley19:12Now, I love it, I love it. So it's so funny, you brought up purpose and intent because you know I was gonna ask you about that right how to, you know, 19:17We do deliver that message and just like you said, the people that there's there's going to be the one set of people that you know just give you a thumbs up or like or be like, you know, Hey, that was cool. 19:27And then there's going to be the other set of people that are gonna be like wow that was, that was awesome. That was powerful. Right. 19:32And they get, they get kind of where you're coming from on that and it's a totally 19:37That the two different groups, but that doesn't. And what I think I like about that too is that, you know, 19:43The group that doesn't get it today doesn't mean they won't get it tomorrow or see it like you know a little bit later down the road, and they're going to go back to your content and they're gonna be like, I didn't, I didn't even realize you were into all this shit. 19:55Right. Yeah. Yeah. And because because you can. It's funny. 19:59I do that without so my own my own my own stuff. Right. Like, why go and I'll look at other people's content, who I follow it earlier, but I wasn't at my Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program20:09This mind state. Yeah. 20:10You go into through a different lens. brandon handley20:12And I've got a new job or I have a whole brand new lens right whole whole new lens on like, Where have you been, 20:20I never even saw 20:22And so it's really interesting that the content that you put out 20:27People 20:28Come back and take a look later and it'll 20:30It'll be fresh to them. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program20:31I 100% and I was just talking about this yesterday. And the reality is to put the content out. We have to realize there's entire generations of people that are moving through going to go to catch up to us. 20:42We could be saying the perfect thing right now to people that don't even exist yet. 20:47Like 20:48What we put out there is really important. And you think of your overall vibe, man. So as people become more connected and understand 20:55Their power of influence and how we are influenced and just the decisions that they make. 21:00Man, they meet someone may go, Man, I want to create a podcast called spiritual dope. I wonder if that's even a thing could click there's 21:09There is, oh my god, they're talking about all the things I didn't even know it was an idea was connected. I felt it. I mean, I took an action and this is everything I'm looking for and you spark an entire movement, based on your idea man. brandon handley21:23Simple thought simple action. Right. It's just, it's just a matter of taking that action. What's funny. I mean, it's funny you say that though I did prosperity practice before spiritual dope and 21:34Somebody else I spun up prosperity practice like afterwards, after the fact. Like I reached out to her. I was like, I was like, wow, you're doing like the exact same thing I'm doing. I was just like, 21:43So it's really interesting. I'm not sure if you've ever seen like some of those videos or, you know, I forget, like, you know, let's talk about Tesla or being connected to the Akashic Record right or Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program21:52Yeah. brandon handley21:53Hello, say like two thoughts happen at the same time, like 21:56Different receivers. Right, so you'll receive thought somebody else or received thought only one person X on it though, or maybe both people act on it the same time. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program22:04Right. brandon handley22:05And it's not until like later that they converge and and you know you see it show up. So Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program22:10That when I remember saying 22:12interprets that differently. I really never there's no such thing as original I always say this every thoughts already been funk. Like, what are the chances of you thinking of a sentence or something or whatever. 22:22As someone else hasn't already done that you're picking up on something somewhere actually look at that as alignment. 22:29If you're having this thought and it's moving you. That means you may actually be being pushed her poles. 22:34Pulled in that direction. 22:35Hundred percent old yeah brandon handley22:36Yeah. So when we talked, right. We talked about the, the, the idea of everything's already been created. It's just a job. What's your awareness of it right and it's funny that because you talked about the losing time right the future now and the past are all here right now. 22:52Right, so 22:53You've got the, you know, we'll call it the multiverse, right. We've got your, your quantum entanglement kind of guy. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program22:58So, yeah. brandon handley22:59You know you can sit there and you can think for a second, you're like, All right, well, if I make this direction, kind of like a Sherlock Holmes type you know movie right like if I go this direction. This is what will happen right 23:07Right. Or in my case, it's like, you know, the, the, the Green Hornet with like Seth right and he's like sitting there thinking, and he looks like he's gone. Fast as mine is really going five minutes. Anyways, the deal is like Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program23:16I get it. brandon handley23:17You got like all these slices of possible universes, each one of those each thought that you just had they all just happened. 23:24Yeah. He's one of those things happen. 23:26Right, and it's happening right now. So, I mean, 23:28Whichever one you kind of lock into and tune into that's the one is pointing forward. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program23:33Right, the one that you're going to resent so 23:34I'll give everybody a practice right now. I've been doing this. 23:37I've whiteboards all over the house Ivan. What do you walk into every door. There's a small whiteboard and it's it's whiteboard wallpaper. So I put it on the things that I 23:46Hang out around most often. And so what I've been doing is recognizing words. Okay. There's a reason why words stand out to you. So Brendan, I see writing stuff down rather just like this, man. I got notepads and notepads 24:02All this is not just client notes. These are thoughts. 24:04These are things that are standing out to me if I here at once and it gets my attention. It means pay attention if it gets my attention twice. It means focus on that it's get detailed with it. So you'll see random words written all around the house. It'd be like proximity 24:22Right, right. I was Moses. 24:24And then it's just random things and then later I'll go back and connect the dots. Our oneness is 24:30We're, we're basically it's inevitable that we're going to grow based on our environment or as Moses and our proximity to people who are at a higher state of consciousness. 24:38That creates this infinite loop which connects that we're just just doodling manages everything is just total 24:47Brainstorming so if you if it gets your attention once pay attention if it gets your attention twice focus on that. There's a reason why you are being pulled towards that. 24:58Get, get close to whatever that where it is, whatever that thing is if that person if they mentioned somebody towards two people on two separate days mentioned the same person get interested 25:09Yeah, that means that person or that thing is leaving an impact. And it's worth your time. brandon handley25:14Sure. I mean, the person's calling out to you right 25:16If they got what they've got like something something they've got is really, it's meaningful for you so 25:21You know, follow up on that, I love that. Thanks for sharing that. So, one more time. So if it's, you know, if you, if you see it like once you get your interest rate. 25:30See it twice, you know, focusing on that, like, you know, 25:33And then the third time, like, I mean you you're hooked right like you shouldn't be. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program25:36You, you are the third time. brandon handley25:39Right on. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program25:39If it gets your attention. Twice I say this because if we continue to go Wait I need three times right to is the coincidence three is a staple 25:50Rather, if a guy your attention to times. Why are you paying attention. Why is is getting your attention, two times. First off, you could have been thinking everything you could have been doing anything. 26:00It literally stopped you in thought and got your attention. It's there for a reason, our subconscious is very active at that 26:09Moment. And so there's the zoo, there's something you want to get from it. There's something you want to define might be something you just want to explore for understanding but somewhere along the way your mind picked up on something and it needs clarity. There's an open loop somewhere. 26:25Yeah, gotta close this. brandon handley26:27For sure, for sure. And I love that you know programmatic reference right if you've got an open loop. It just keeps going and going and going and going and going until, like, you know, there's some type of closure. Right. 26:38Or control see right Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program26:39You know, just, yeah. Stop, stop at brandon handley26:42The so um you brought up something really cool that I really enjoy too is like the idea of the subconscious always being on the lookout for what you're on the lookout for you. 26:52Programmatically said you set a filter, right, these things are popping up because you set a filter for that. Right. You said you said all right. 27:00Hey, yo, I'm really interested in something like you know give what is something that you're interested in, you know, proximity osmosis where you know and and so now you've got your, your mind and subconscious filter on that. Like for me right now I've got divine and divinity. Right. 27:17That's my thing. 27:18Right. I've got a divine framework set up as my next course right so 27:22Anytime somebody says divine. I'm like, Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program27:24Yeah, it's brandon handley27:25Over there. Amen. Amen. I'm like, What are you saying Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program27:27What do you got the coolest part that so you you look at your mind if we open with this as system. 27:33A series of processes hundred 27:34Percent computers and quantum tech and all that stuff. The quantum computing, man. It's just algorithms. It's going into this than that. If that doesn't this 27:43You're just computing data. 27:45So when you program your mind, based on your intent. This is why I always say define what happiness looks like smells like tastes like feels like 27:56Get like get just seriously go to Amazon buy a bunch of notepads for like six books in just elaborate on what happiness and success looks like to you. Yeah. 28:07Do it right, right, right, right. You're only going to spend like a half hour doing this thing. It's nothing in the illusion of time. brandon handley28:14Well, I caught the the 28:16Real quick, real quick. So I mean, would you would you make them write it down or type it out. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program28:21Does it matter personally 28:23I'm into writing 28:25Okay, now 28:26Now, and I. The reason why is because of the time it takes for me to write it out. If I still commit to that thought. By the end of the sentence, and I still feel good about it. 28:36And it's an actual thought 28:38If in mid sentence. I'm like, this isn't my thing, then it's just a thought. It's just something that popped in here. Probably for contrast 28:45And so when I write it down. I'll say this, there hasn't been a single person that I know that is working on themselves. That isn't writing stuff down 28:54Hasn't been writing a book isn't journaling isn't doing any of this man this is pages I just naturally picked it up. I don't necessarily enjoy writing 29:04But I realized that for me to be honest and express myself. I need to write these things down and go back and label them right 29:13These are all these are all staples in my, in my future, man. brandon handley29:16Now, I love it. I call it 29:18I call it looking at last. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program29:19Thought the programming brother, when we do this when we write all that stuff down or type it out. 29:26Now we get clarity. We're programming our subconscious to look for that. So when we are in a podcast and say, I got a big window right here. And if I was looking for a motorcycle motorcycles make me feel happy. 29:40Anything that's going to get my attention that may resemble a motorcycle. I'm gonna, it's going to get my attention. Oh, is it. No, it's not. It's like somebody you're waiting to arrive. Is that damn is at them. 29:51Right. Your subconscious is going to constantly go out and look for 29:55All the things that satisfy your happiness make you feel successful make you feel to find find divinity, all of those things, man. So programming is really important, but only if it's healthy. brandon handley30:07Well, I mean, I think that, uh, you know, healthy, healthy is also subjective right initially. And I think that even if you begin to 30:18Just even understand the dynamic of what you're talking about like the programming right set yourself up, you make that choice consciously to be programming yourself. Yeah, right. Because up until up until that point. I mean, I'd love to hear when you realize that 30:34You needed to program yourself. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program30:37Yeah, well I was, you know, my story. Man, I'm a liver failure survivor. 30:43Like I was on my deathbed, and I know what it's like for your body to start dying and have to sign away your life surrender to the universe. 30:51I don't know what's happening on it was going on, but all of the decisions every single thought that I've had to that point has led me to my deathbed. Yeah. 31:00And I'm still defending that for some reason, like why am I defending being here. I'm justifying my death. Oh, I lived a good life. I'm doing. Are you serious, I haven't even tried yet I'm 32 at this point on my deathbed, and I'm trying to justify that I lived a long good life. 31:18And I was just meant. That's ridiculous, man. So when I get in. When I start recovering I'm realizing all these thoughts and it wasn't until I started debating my environment. 31:29I'm not in that scene. Am I surrounded by those people am I doing those things am I interested in that stuff. I don't think those thoughts. Why am I still the same person. 31:38Hmm. Why am I still the same guy before I died. This is a whole new me 31:46Right. 31:46But is it really a whole new me, this is, this is just me. 31:51With a new opportunity. So who do I want to be. And then as I call this self auditing. 31:57Then you start to realize where your brain starts to go, you start thinking about happiness and success and these these other things that you want to accomplish. 32:03And then you start recognizing now that's not gonna work. Whoa. I just told me know what the 32:11And I believe that what happened. I just shut myself down. I can do anything. And I said no to me. Why is that a thing. Okay, I can do it. 32:24I am doing it. It's happening go okay and then that thought comes in again. No, no, we're doing this. It's happening. Got it. Go, then it starts to be less and less. And then I'm starting to realize that I have just created a healthy thought pattern. 32:40When it comes to can or cannot there. Is it just is man, you just, are you doing it. 32:45Are you focusing on your happiness. Yes, well then I'm gonna keep doing those things are you building your business. Yeah, I'm gonna keep doing that thing. 32:52I am giving myself permission, I get really good at doing that and anybody can develop healthy habits healthy thought patterns, they can easily reprogram themselves. 33:02From an actual neurological standpoint, we need at least 63 to 64 repetitions of anything to be considered good or for it to be written into our being all those veins in our brain. 33:16Those lumps and things 33:18The valleys. Those are based on repetition. Right. So developing healthy habits. It comes with practice. And once we put ourselves there, man. Then you get really good at practicing. It's not what you're practicing. You just get good at creating good habits. 33:34And then this is kind of all easy peasy. From there it's difficult with there's a lot there's less less difficulty involved right brandon handley33:43I think that it's a you know it's it's the idea that, you know, somebody as they grow older, right, they, they try something once 33:51And it didn't work out. I'll give a couple more shots. But you're saying it's like 64 tries and keep at it and you know it's not like it's you need that repetition. I also you're calling from 34:02Your computer land right I look at that number 64 and I think about like 64 bits, right, like 34:07Yeah yeah so 34:08So that's a, that's interesting. So, you know, you're on your deathbed, and and you you crawl up out of that and you start to recognize 34:18You know, you've got to make these these pattern changes and you've got to develop these healthy life patterns, you know, the challenge that I think that we see is somebody that isn't dying. 34:31That isn't you know isn't dying and has a safe life. Yeah. 34:35Right, I mean you know that they haven't they haven't drunk themselves death, but maybe they have several beers at night and maybe you so 34:44How do we get someone to recognize that they've got patterns that aren't serving them even though they've got quote unquote good are safe life and they can have more Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program34:53Is that familiar do. That's the question is this, is this what you do. Is this your thing. That's where you do these are that that okay 35:02Have you done anything else. Have you tried anything else you realize that you're back in the bar, you have this. How many times have you had this drink. You know what it is. 35:11If you keep doing the same things, you get the same exact results results. Why do you think I became an alcoholic is because I needed more and more and more to feel normal. I've never had this until like yesterday. This is amazing. I'm a 35:27New person holding pineapple. 35:30I had to switch it out, like, what is it synergy raw kombucha 35:35Love this. Right. 35:37Did a hippie. Give it to me. Yes, but does it matter. No, my point with it is that if we keep doing the same things and living in a place of familiarity. 35:46We're never going to get comfortable with being uncomfortable. Therefore, we're never going to grow. 35:51Is this as good as it gets. Is this as good as you want it to be. Is this what you really want. Man Seriously, look at this point, you're just writing. Just ask yourself this question, is this what I really want 36:06Is this how I really want to feel if I can relive this my state of being for the end of my existence. Is that good enough for me. Can I achieve more goodness. Is this how you really want it to be nine times out of 10 it's know 36:24Even in a healthy place. 36:27If I asked myself, This Is this really how good you want it to be, or is this really where you want to be. It's really where I want to be right now, but it's only getting better. So know if I get complacent here I get no more results. 36:42I have to continue growing right so we got to look at that complacency and go, you know what, man. Is this as good as it gets. Is this as good as you want it to be right now. 36:51Chances are the same. And then we start taking action. And I know this because just the power of influence from three people, we were able to get an alcoholic to leave the bar. The other day on a podcast and he went home to go play with his dogs. 37:07Hmm. He made the decision to leave the bar, man. 37:11stopped drinking poison not permanently. 37:14But the power of influence is there, he made that decision. It's amazing what happens when you realize that it can be better. brandon handley37:21Yeah, no 100% you know I know when I quit drinking 37:27It has influenced many people right and you know we talked about being pulled you know I was pulled, man. I wasn't, I didn't quit drinking because I didn't like I love drinking Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program37:38Drinking. No, I haven't done it since. brandon handley37:41I have a blast. I you know do stupid shit all day long. 37:46And and but you know it fell away man fell away is something I didn't need anymore. And I found that I could do stupid shit without having to drink. 37:57And I could be there more for people. Right. And so, but but that influence is just like 38:02It's not something we're not doing any force on anybody is because I just feel great. 38:07I get to I get to drive whenever I want. 38:09I get to do and go places, whenever I want. 38:11Because I haven't had a drink. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program38:14It was one of the most interesting compliments. I've received recently is you don't need anything in your system to have a good time. You don't have to smoke. You don't have to drink enough to do anything you're just having a blast all the time right now my 38:31That whoa, you're right. 38:33Well, I know this. 38:34But now you're saying it. So you got my attention. 38:38Whoa, that's cool. And then they're going, I don't, I don't really need to do these things. It's just not really. I mean, I get 38:45You know, it's not necessary. 38:47It's not a staple of my existence anymore. Let's just say that. Yeah. 38:51Wow, man, that's, that's amazing. And people talk about high on life. I get what they're saying. brandon handley38:57Is visual rather than just Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program39:00The Scripture that brandon handley39:01That's it. That's it. That's man. That's exactly what we're here. And what we're doing right 39:07You know, talking about that. And again, you know, being able to live from that space and be successful in business right and leading leading with that right not like that's not your cover. That's not your life, you're not like I go home and I meditate, I go home and I pray. No, I read 39:25When I was with with spirit. Right. 39:27So, I love, I love, I love that you're doing that, and I love you know I see what you're creating 39:33A see the momentum. You've got new built 39:36You know what, what are some other things that you would hit on in this space that you would share with anybody. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program39:42In regards to tech or personal or just just brandon handley39:44In terms of like, you know, you know, 39:46Leading from spirituality. Was it. That's right. Yeah, I heard you say to you came from, like, a hippie. You know, you kind of came from that background to right and that was real similar to me to write hippie mom. 39:58And just 39:59For me, it ends up coming easily because that's how I was raised, I fought it 40:04For a long time, yes. Talk about that. Right. So talk about knowing that it exists, and then being like them being like, Oh, shit. It works. Yeah, I know that resistance. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program40:15Is useless. Honestly, I just posted about this. And yeah, my parents, you know, different what 6070s 40:22Yeah, you know, so they were raised, like that. My parents are definitely hippies, but not like your, your typical hippie not like will say modern day hippies, or what I i actually been thinking about and you're welcome to take this and join me. Not all hippies climb trees like 40:37I want to start a movement. brandon handley40:39Well, that's a special again. That's what spiritual dopes about there is a greatness. And if you go to my website right now says you don't have to wear like beach. You don't have to wear that. 40:47Dress. You don't have to wear sandals. You don't have to 40:50You don't have to put on this uniform to feel this way. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program40:52100%. So we'll talk about that. Absolutely. There's a brandon handley40:55Reverse it what I'm saying. And you see Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program40:57Like we're on the same wavelength. 40:58Yeah, man. And so, so here's the trip is my, my brother, my older brother, he's like a hippie is of all manly man, but he's climbing trees, he's cutting trees down building homes log cabins, he makes his own tea and coffee and everything is from the earth and He is like 100% hippie. 41:15Spiritual Empath all of that stuff. It's really amazing. 41:19Now for me, I always thought that because I'm a tech guy right at artists. I'm an artist in general. 41:25You know I connect with people in different ways, but I've been through an extreme amount of trauma before liver failure. So my trauma. 41:34I've had to process these things differently. And my viewing angle my perspective on will say the hippie approach is it's a little too flu fee for lack of better words this little to brandon handley41:46motherly soft Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program41:48It's not it do, like, just take your shoes off and just seeing one drink like okay brandon handley41:53I want to kick a door. Yeah. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program41:55You can't force this hippie just like religion or anything. brandon handley41:58Right, right, right. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program41:59You have to be open to it. Oh, so on my journey. 42:04As it became more receptive more open, more compassionate towards other people, and more importantly, developed more compassionate towards myself, which I learned from my mentor asara sundry 42:16With that, I started to let down those walls and I started to break those permissions started signing off on my own. brandon handley42:24Certain he Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program42:25Recognizes my permission slip and 42:27Walk down that hall of success and happiness. 42:30And in doing so, I started to realize that people have been telling me this forever. 42:35And I've been to so 42:36Not have it. brandon handley42:38I mean, that's what we talked about earlier, though, too, right, like in writing your content right you're yourself. You're telling people, some things and 42:45They're just not. They're not in that spaceship, they're not they're not there right and it's not until it's not until you kind of come into your own awareness of being and you can look back and be like, Oh my gosh, people been telling me this my entire life. Yeah, right. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program42:59100% brandon handley42:59Now, I love it man. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program43:01It's amazing the way it works. And I'll tell you this, brother. You remember. Oh, sorry about posting with purpose. brandon handley43:06But 43:07I intent, but Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program43:08How do you think I ended up in Texas, dude. 43:10There you go right person, pick up on the intent and the power and energy behind the same message and they open the opportunity like you. We want you to come here. 43:21Right, that's how I ended up in Texas in a series of events had to happen perfectly in alignment. 43:28And I ended up here in the most incredible place I've ever been in my entire life more growth, more happiness more communication more connection. 43:36More forward progress than any other time in my entire life. And I'm beyond humbled all because I posted with purpose man right person felt it. And then we all took action make magic happen. It's really, really cool. brandon handley43:52That's cool, man. So, I mean, you know, again, this is kind of like a follow your bliss type moment right Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program43:57Yeah. brandon handley43:57I love it. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program43:59Though well brandon handley44:00I mean you got you got to do it for yourself. Right. Like each person. Everybody's got everybody's got to find that for themselves, you know, you talk about your truth right you could 44:07You could say, Hey, you know, for me, you know, at this moment, this bliss is my truth right if I'm feeling, you know, and again, I'll talk about that word, you know, vanity, I'm feeling 44:17Or creative source like through me and, you know, or like we talked about resonance and we look at, like, you know, somebody just plucking my divine source string. 44:26Everything has resonated and that was bliss and so I'm following that like somebody, you know, talking to me and just dragging me out and like me, like, yes, this is, oh my gosh, this is uncommon. I'm on my way you 44:37Know how this is going to end. Oh yeah, they are they aware of the path. Now look, you're always on your path right it's like you've got a you're always on your path you're never all fit. It's just, you've got to make that decision. 44:48To to recognize that you're walking. It's at your part of it that you're being it right Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program44:53You know, want to man. 44:54Like, think of it. Think of it like this in like I if I go to the doctors right now and they they put a needle in my arm. Yeah, that's gonna be my only, you know, uncomfortable. I'm not worried about the needle, man. I'm worried about the results. 45:06They want to see how unhealthy. I really am. 45:09Don't want to like surrender to that. 45:11Right. Some people really aren't. They're not good at walking through the doors, man. brandon handley45:15Yeah. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program45:15You're not good at that. That's their out of practice. 45:18And sometimes we got to kick those doors down, they gotta be receptive on the other end. You've got to kick those doors down for yourself. 45:24Man, once you open that door now. 45:27Then you can see the path. brandon handley45:29Yeah. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program45:29And know that you're on it. 45:31And then you can frolic down that bitch as much as you want. You know I'm saying, like, what are 45:34You going to do brandon handley45:36All that. Well, I mean, look, you can't make a wrong decision. You know a lot of people 45:40You know that they've got their systems in place that work for them. And if you get off of their system, they're going to come up and say, Well, well, well, you got it. You're, you're off your system and you're off your path, but 45:50That's not true. You're off of what their path would be you're off and out of their system and so have faith in yourself, man. I love what you're doing, I love, I love that. That's what you know you've developed like kind of this core 46:02Being again and you're, you know, you're, you're leading with that and you're in that space. That's awesome. Where should I send people to go meet up with you and find out more about you. Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program46:12Absolutely. So my primary focus right now is the mantis program so mantis is every single thing that I've ever learned tops mastered 46:25All in one place in regards to not just evolving as a human being but evolving into the strongest and most accurate business mindset that you could ever possibly hope to get yourself into 46:38It's the reason why I can operate at a peak state of performance for forever and cost deliver content get things done while having a family doing all that stuff. 46:48So I want to show people exactly how they can implement 46:52These specific concepts into their life. But more importantly, there's so many people who don't take the necessary steps because they go all but there's technology, there's this and I don't understand that. 47:03I cover it all, every single aspect. So you don't have to be able to business or even bill yourself without fear man like you don't have to do that. You don't have to restrict yourself. And it's basically what I now that I say I give people the permission to evolve as a human. 47:19And then, yeah, so that's the mantis program. So the mantis program com 47:24And then of course graders Academy man the CCA it's an extension of the mantas program. This is for people who want to build an online program. 47:33I have numerous clients 2020 is packed with people who are going. I know what a lot of information. The online learning industry is a $34 billion industry. 47:44If you know something, and you want to get it out there and develop a program for people to get their hands on. 47:51And I hope people evolve through that process developed a program and then also handle all the tech and all that stuff with with just with ease. 48:00Then yeah, then I'm gonna communication artist. So I help people communicate more deeply with their, their core audience, not just as a servant leader, but as a professional graphic designer 20 years in Photoshop. 48:12And yeah and then for everybody who already has a message or is looking to dominate the second most powerful website on the planet YouTube 48:21I have the Hitchhiker's Guide to video marketing and that's showing you, not just how to get video views up into the millions 48:27But I'm actually showing you how to build a complete online digital business or any product or service that you're working on. Or like to get your hands on. That's the secret behind the sauce. brandon handley48:40Yeah, man, that was Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program48:41What 48:42What is there, man. So you can also find me on Facebook or is Cody rain and then you could also go to Cody rain calm. If you guys want to learn more about me or jump on my calendar, we can have a chat about you and your business. brandon handley48:53Awesome, man. Thanks for joining into Kohdi Rayne - The Mantis Program48:56Thank you, man, I appreciate you.

Be sure to catch the Conscious Spirit Fest October 18 2020 Arizona Bell is the co-founder and CEO of Spirit Guides Media—a growing media network that's dedicated to truth and driven by Spirit—and the host of the podcast A Matter of Life and Death with Arizona Bell. A grief coach and afterlife expert, Arizona is an inspirational speaker with the message that examining death and what happens to us after death is the absolute best way to live our richest, most meaningful lives here on Earth. A rising voice in the spiritual community, she appeared as a panelist on George Noory’s afterlife expert panel at the Afterlife Research and Education Institute Symposium in 2018 and speaks regularly at various conferences and events. Arizona’s book “Soul Magic: Ancient Wisdom for Modern Mystics” is available now. Arizona stopped by on Spiritual Dope as we covered all types of things: What exactly is it about examing death that can inspire you to live your best life? How do you transition from writing for medical journals to spirituality? Different ways to pray & what exactly is OG meditation? Make sure you check out everything Arizona has going on! Catch up with Arizona on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CDblWL1H2IZ/ https://www.instagram.com/p/B-rjRW5oCOi/ brandon handley00:014321 Hey there, Spiritual Dope. This is Brandon Handley on with another outstanding guest Arizona bell, and she is the co founder and CEO of Spirit Guides Media 00:15A growing media network that's dedicated to truth and driven by spirit and the host of the podcast, a matter of life and death with Arizona bell 00:23A grief coach and afterlife expert Arizona is an inspirational speaker with the message that examine that. And what happened was, after death is the absolute best way to live our richest, most meaningful lives here on her. 00:35Arising voice in a spiritual community, she appeared as a panelist on great George Norris afterlife expert panel at the afterlife. Research Institute education Institute's symposium in 2018 00:47And speaks regularly at various conferences and events Arizona's book sold magic ancient wisdom from the modern mystics is available now or is. Oh, thank you so much for popping out today, how are you Spirit Guides00:59Hey, thanks for having me. Brandon, I'm doing really well, actually, uh, you know, you never know in 2020 with ups and downs of of everything. But today I'm doing great. I'm feeling good. How about you. brandon handley01:09I love it. Right, like 2020 if ever there was a a year where you seize the day right you take it for all that you can get out of it because you don't know what's around the corner right Spirit Guides01:20And absolutely, if you're not. If not now, when right brandon handley01:26I love 2024 for what is actually kind of brought brought to us right arm. I think there's opportunity to 01:32Do what you and I are doing on really kind of dig deep and live our authentic lives because you don't know what's around the corner. Really presented itself in 2020 that's my honest opinion. Spirit Guides01:43Absolutely. And just, I'll just riff here for a minute, in my personal life. That's how it worked out. 01:48You know i i hit rock bottom and hit a period of grief in my life. And next thing you know, I'm like, Okay. Life's too short. And it really put the fire under my butt. And I got to step in and live in my purpose. And I think on a collective level that's what's happening with 2020 brandon handley02:03Is what it looks like right a lot. There's a lot of raw files on 02:06A lot bombs and and not to laugh, but it's again just giving us the opportunity to bounce back. And so our spiritual resilience and what that but that kind of shine. 02:15But they kind of shy so I like to start these off with, like, you know, the idea is that the creator speaks through us right and 02:25Universe energies, energy, whatever speaking through us today and it's delivering a message to one of our listeners that can only come through this instance right so what is that message that you would deliver to that person today. Spirit Guides02:40This is man, this is interesting because right before this, I got on. And I do this typically 02:45Every once in a while. I forget, but it's kind of my routine to get to 02:48Get into meditated mode. Before I go on, either my podcast or somebody else's and say, 02:54Let's let the message come through that needs to be heard the most that helps the most amount of people 02:59You know, it's interesting. I've never been asked to to pick what that message is. So you put me on the spot, but um you know i i think that maybe the messages. What you kind of 03:12You said spiritual resilience. I think that that's the message of this year. And that's the message, maybe of this podcast, because that's where we started going right away. And I think just 03:24The fact of the idea that human hearts are so resilient were built in Phoenix's were born to burn and we're born to rise. And I think that it's really 03:33Really important to remember that right now, when everything is burning down metaphorically or literally, you know. So I think it's really important that we remember how resilient. We actually are. brandon handley03:46Built in Phoenix is built on Phoenix's and Spirit Guides03:49I don't know where that came from. That was 03:52That was like our archangel brandon handley03:54Was it right that's it 100% you open yourself up to it and just allowed to kind of kind of come through. 04:02And that's exactly what it is. So, whoever's out there. Just know that you have this built in Phoenix, whatever is kind of sparking you right now. You can kind of fan that and rise up out of the ashes into something more boys than you ever were before. Right. 04:18Totally. Um, so let's let them give some background, right, who is Arizona bell 04:26Yeah, are you 04:27Doing here. Um, you know, give us the lowdown Spirit Guides04:30That's literally what I've been asking myself all year. Who am I, why am I here. No, you know, I 04:37I would have said, you know, for most of my life. Arizona bell is a writer, like, that was my identity that's that's who I showed up as and then a little, little bit over five years ago, about five and a half years ago. 04:50My mother passed away. She was my best friend. 04:53She was 59 when she passed away. I was 30 so that's pretty young, relatively speaking for both of us. And we were very, very close in it. It ripped my world apart. And that was my burned down moment and 05:05And eventually became my Phoenix moment, and it gave me, like I said, the fire under my butt to really step into my full 05:14Purpose and alignment, whereas before I was just sort of dabbling, you know, I was like dabbling one foot into my spiritual purpose and the other into really messing around, and not really committing to anything and 05:27You know, just that kind of stuff. And so, you know, after my mom passed. I did the grieving thing for her, you know, I'm still doing the grieving thing, but I did that pretty hardcore. And then I woke up one day and I said okay like 05:39I'm going to do this, I'm going to do what Spirit wants me to do. So I basically surrendered to that to spirit to source to God to divine energy, whatever you want to call it. I said, All right, listen. 05:52I get that I'm here for a reason. Show me what that reason is. Bring it to me every day and I'll do it. So you know I stepped into service mode. Basically, which I wasn't able to do before I hit rock bottom. And with that. 06:05Came the starting of my company, which originally. Like I said, my background. 06:09Background was in writing. So I started a little digital magazine called spirit guides magazine, because I 06:15I was young, relatively young in the spiritual world and I saw that there was a huge void of spirituality being targeted to younger generations and therefore there's a huge disconnect because 06:26People my age millennials and younger weren't really connecting with 06:31The kinds of websites and graphics and conferences and kind of that that were sort of felt a little bit outdated, but we were hungering for spiritual knowledge so that was kind of the reason I started it. 06:42And that little Instagram magazine has now evolved to a media company we're called spirit guides media and within it. We have podcasts. We're starting a radio station books. 06:54Everything courses and thrown a festival with my good friend from conscious living PR Mona. So we just got everything going on. So that's kind of a hope I answered the question. I don't, I don't know how to fully say who I am or why I'm here. But that's a star, I guess. brandon handley07:09Sure how that that it's a lot for us to work with. Right. So, that is how you and I connected we connected through Mona, Lauren, who was one of the first guest on this podcast. 07:20And you know so super glad that we were able to get connected through her 07:25Checked out spirit. Guys, you've got a lot going on there. Looks like it's kind of a community right of built up around spirituality and. Is that what the intention is just kind of a community for, like, you know, will say for a younger generation. Is that what you're saying. Spirit Guides07:43You know, absolutely. The intention was to build a spiritual community. And even though we are gearing towards gearing it more towards 07:52Visually towards younger people. I mean, spirituality is for everybody. So I have people across the board, you know, but we did. We did kind of dominate that you know 08:0318 to 34 demographic. I mean, that's, that is what our demographic is. And of course there's outliers and the young at heart, and all that. But we did want to make it fresh and hip, you know, and that that was an intention and definitely 08:17The spiritual community aspect of because for me. My personal story is, I was the lone wolf on the spiritual path. I didn't have, you know, I wasn't raised religious I didn't have a spiritual community, as in the spiritual closet, to be frank, so 08:30I did this year I did the spirituality thing by myself. And so I really did want to create a community. 08:37For those that might be feeling the same way. And luckily, with the world that we're living in with technology. It's easier to do that, you know, like we're doing this on zoom right now and and so I'm able to hold courses and 08:49workshops and the festival, even now online and as membership community, so it's it's all able to be done online and it's it's absolutely to have a spiritual community in such a weird time brandon handley09:03And there's no no better time for us so funny you mentioned your demographics, because you're pulling off is right where I started on my demographics. Right. 09:12Right on. And that's and that's simply because I speak to my generation, right. So you're speaking to your generation, you know the language you know on the spiritual connection. 09:21From that perspective. Right. And that's not to say, like you said, there's gonna be there's gonna be people. There's going to be the outliers that you attract but like you're able really well able to speak to that specific group. Spirit Guides09:33Right but but it ends there because I don't do Tick tock. So I don't know. 09:37I don't know how much younger. I can get that brandon handley09:40Tick tock. Tick tock. Some is Spirit Guides09:43For sure. brandon handley09:44Somebody platforms right I'm and I'm doing I'm doing what I do. 09:49Exactly. 09:50So, so I get it, I get it. 09:53When you know I want to give also this kind of premise of what you were into before you got into the spiritual realm, who and what type of content. Were you writing before you got in the conscious 10:08Conscious right Spirit Guides10:09Sure. You know, I think, well, I was doing a couple things. There was what I was doing for work. I was very fortunate to get paid to be a writer. I know a lot of people in the writing world. 10:21seek that out. And what that I was writing for what pays. I was writing for medical journals and medical magazines and medical medical medical I was writing for universities, things like that. 10:34But the big bucks were in the medical field. I was the editorial director at a magazine for physicians and an assistant assistant editor at a magazine an international magazine for doctors and dentists so 10:49And, you know, with my mom passing away, she had cancer. So I was all up in the medical industry going through it with her and I just found myself writing things that I didn't agree with. And so, it hit me. 11:01For a while, I mean, I don't want to get to the specifics, but 11:06Yeah, just 11:09Just the sick, I would call the sickness industry of the of the medical industry and just a lot of things that there were ignoring about actually keeping people healthy and I had to start to believe that maybe there was a an ulterior motive to keep people sick. 11:26So I and I was publishing stuff like that, you know, and that's all up for a matter of opinion, but from what I saw firsthand. 11:35In the medical world with my mom and the unfairness. I will call it of that world I it wasn't jiving for me on a soul level to be writing those things anymore. So there was a there was a pick on my soul that was like, ding, ding, ding, like, hey, you can't 11:49This doesn't feel right and you care about integrity. Don't forget that you care about integrity. Now, on, on the flip side, in my own personal selves. I was always drawn towards I guess soul centered content. 12:03I called it love I called it like I was thinking more romantic love than spiritual, but I, I was always wanting to write about love and like 12:11That kind of stuff. And like relationships and things like that, but um I so I was doing that on the side as well. I was writing for literary magazines and things like that. brandon handley12:21That's fun. That's fun. But I'll tell you what I can. I know what you're talking about with that little prick in the soul resonates with me real hard. I was in the insurance industry. 12:32For a little bit. Right. And I was like, well, you know, you would you do demographics and you would do. 12:40Do a risk assessment on the group as a whole. Right. And there's a sick person or two in there. 12:45You're rich got jacked up with this doesn't make much sense you know these people need the insurance. We're going to raise the rates on them because they need it because they are sick because they are going to use it. 12:53Or industry codes right same thing happens with industry codes. If they're in of, you know, riskier business type 13:00Their insurance rates are going to go up because they've got the they're going to get the most well this person's gone in here. So we're gonna have to race, the race to cover that. So, um, I left, I left. 13:10For very same thing. I was like, for a couple reasons. Actually, one was because of that soul prick right to was because and nothing wrong with people getting off on work every day you know into an office, but I couldn't stand it. I was in my 20s and watching people that were zombies. 13:27Right. What are these these these a tweet covered offices, you know, walk right. I was like, I was like, if this is gonna be my toys. Spirit Guides13:35Yep. Oh, I completely relate to that. Yeah. I mean, look at me, I'm like, 13:40There's no way I can sit in an office. I mean, 13:42I gave it my go you know I gave it my best go but somehow every job i got i ended up 13:48And again, I told you this before. My mom was German. So I was raised with good work ethic. I know how to work hard and so I'd like work hard, prove myself, and then I'd be like, Listen, I gotta start working from home like this isn't working for me. 13:59You know, and somehow I always talk them into it. I guess that's a skill I have but 14:04But yeah, I wasn't meant for that either. I totally hear what you're saying and you know that that unfairness. As I said in that you as you just so eloquently described in the insurance industry. It goes, it goes in every, you know, it's like in the banking industry like brandon handley14:17Somebody who Spirit Guides14:17More like living paycheck to paycheck has to pay the fee to like have a bank account and then you know somebody who has loads of money doesn't have to pay a fee doesn't make sense that brandon handley14:28You know, you know it does. In the end, right, like, but you know we're not going to get into it. Right. 14:34But it's like, Come on, man. Um, so, so you're writing for like medical journals and all this other stuff. You have this kind of bent 14:45You go through this and they jump into the spirituality, his face. I want to want to share with kind of 14:51Peoples. And what was it like for you to begin to lead with spirituality. After what you've been doing your entire life and the Jeff overcoming fears deal with anybody was like, What are you thinking that type of thing. Spirit Guides15:05Oh, big time. Yeah. As far as overcoming fears. So I'll just say a couple things I had the idea for spirit guides 15:14In my head tagline AND EVERYTHING FOR YEARS. YEARS. YEARS. YEARS BEFORE. My mom passed away years I knew I wanted to do it and not even that I wanted to. It was like it was just implanted in my mind my spirits like you're gonna you're going to need to do this. 15:28And I started to get worried when the because i'm a i'm an idea person. So I get lots of ideas. I was starting to get worried when the idea didn't go away because 15:35It doesn't go away. Dang, it's meant for you, you know, brandon handley15:38So, Spirit Guides15:39But I was too scared I was making pretty good money to be creative, you know, who am I to do this. And also, like I mentioned, I'm in the spiritual closet. Okay, I'm a party girl. 15:50On one on one hand, and then I'm a spiritual girl when I go home like it. I did not have spiritual friends. You know what I'm saying. 15:58So there's a lot of fears to overcome. But again, when I got that asked my ass kicked by grief and loss and seeing death firsthand. It was like, all right, you got to live your life and you got to do this. So I basically like 16:13I just kind of like came out of the closet and like didn't like I didn't even make a thing of it like I just was like one day I owned a spiritual media company. 16:22And, you know, some people were like, what are you getting up to these days, you know, but it was it was a leap that I took private privately and probably shocked. Some people when I did it, but I didn't want to go around having to explain myself to a bunch of people so brandon handley16:37That makes a lot of sense. Um, and you're a lot of different types of coaching business Christians question spiritual around to like you know don't have to go share your ideas with others. I'm just go do it right again. Good. 16:51And that was Spirit Guides16:51That was what I chose to do in that moment, because it honestly it made the most sense. brandon handley16:56Of it and then so 16:59You start, you know, I don't know how somebody just goes to earning a 17:04media company, right. So what was that process like did you have to get investors or she is fired off like 17:10On to the Instagram bit or did you find some people to back you, that type of thing. Spirit Guides17:15Now it was completely driven by spirit. And again, I was in surrender mode by that point. So I was like, 17:22I had an arrangement with spirit is like if you want me to do it. You got to bring it to me because I'm not going to go around. 17:28Chasing after all this stuff. So I'm very fortunate that my brother and business partner is a tech developer. So I had that 17:37And I basically called up one of my friends who was a another co founder who became another co founder with us, who I knew was into spirituality and could handle you know some of the things like social media all this stuff. And we just got together as a trio and and literally it was 17:54You know, like guerrilla style startup and 17:58And now the third party left, and it's just me and my brother and we're still we're still running it in that way. And I like that way. I mean, I wish I could sit here and tell you that I had some 18:08Big plan, you know, I, my German mom would have wanted me to have a better laid out plan. But I went with it. You know, I just, we just started on Instagram and started hyping it up because that's where all the kids were and we were trying to, you know, 18:24That's where the kids Billy says where they used to hang out with. So that's where we were talking to, at that time, and 18:30We started to get a following. And then we just launched and and honestly all all I had in mind was to launch a digital magazine. 18:39And because I was a writer. That's all I wanted. You know, and I eventually wanted to write books and stuff. But from that is like all this stuff because I made that arrangement with spirit. 18:48Now I'm like podcast Aston radio station and festival. All these things were like, not my ideas are now they've overrun the thing. So now it's like it's got a mind of its own. brandon handley19:00Reminds me of the Michael singer. Yeah, sort of experiment right um 19:07So talk about what is surrender. Spirit Guides19:11What is surrender mode. Well, I think there's two kinds of surrender mode. There's a surrender mode where we think we're surrendering 19:19Where we say we're surrendering which was me a lot. I mean, I was 19:23I've always been drawn towards spiritual and esoteric stuff so I knew I was writing before my mom that I was writing you know happiness is surrender. That's where you find happiness, but I wasn't doing it. 19:34I wasn't doing it fully. And I only realized that when I did it fully in that was when I had to when I had to fall to my knees. 19:43Because there was nothing else there and, you know, Marianne Williamson, I'm probably going to butcher the, quote, but she says something along the lines of 19:51There's a certain desperation that's required before you're ready to face God and something like that. And that's how I felt. And so to me, that is surrender mode where it's 20:02I am here to serve. 20:05Your like basically I'm using my free will to serve your will spirit. 20:12So it's 20:13To me, that's true. Surrender mode, not just like, Oh, it's okay. Let it go. That bad thing, you know, but actually surrendering to a will, that's greater than your own that's greater than your own ego as well and showing up for it every day reliably brandon handley20:29How do you show up for every day, right, like so. I get it. I love this. I love that. I love the idea of 20:36You know surrender. And it's really kind of how we started the podcast right now less fear talk through you to the listener. Right. And then that Phoenix between now and then there's a. It's kind of like the let go and let God right 20:50Right. brandon handley20:51But to actually, you know, to say it's one thing Spirit Guides20:54How to do it. brandon handley20:55How to do it without freaking out, man. Right, without freaking out because Spirit Guides21:00I never said I didn't freak out. brandon handley21:03I love it. So, um, Spirit Guides21:04But I will say this, I will say this. I mean I I wake up every morning and I meditate and I pray, basically I do that combo and and part of my prayer in my meditation is to say 21:19You know, use me how you want to use me today. 21:22And so that's a way for me that's like a action point for me every morning to state my intention which matters a lot that I'm here to be used for spirits will basically. And so whatever shows up for me that day. 21:38I'm going to do it. brandon handley21:40Yeah assessments. Nice. Right. Um, and then the other part two is 21:50Just the idea that these things keep opening up for you. And I mentioned kind of the surrender experiment from 21:56Michael singer. And the reason I mention it because once you kind of open yourself up to it to be used to be used in service through this universal power. 22:05And I love how you said you know I'm not going for it. It's going to have to come to me right 22:11You said you know what you want. This is what I want. But you know what, I surrender for you to show me the way type of thing, you know, talk a little bit about that because I think that that's 22:21That's very important. Right. I'm a big fan of the idea is like its first of all, most people won't like you said, you know what you want it right you know what you want to do you want to be a writer. 22:31You wanted to start this media company and dig into it, but you didn't know how, but now you got it. Is it fair to say Spirit Guides22:39Yeah, definitely. brandon handley22:40And so this is the point that I'm trying to drive home is that you don't have to know how, but you do have to make the decision that that's what you want a life and that's what I feel like you've done Spirit Guides22:51Right. But I agree with you. You don't have to know how I am living proof of that. You do have to know what what I will say is that asked 23:00For what, when I sit in prayer and meditation every day. I mean, I feel like that's a crucial point 23:07Because we're 23:09I had to. I had to. I didn't know that I always wanted to be a writer because I have that God given skill. 23:16You know, so that's a, that's a natural way for me to go but 23:22I didn't know. I didn't even know what necessarily either. I had to listen in meditation, like I didn't know that I was going to start a media company. 23:30Or a you know that I was gonna, I didn't even know was going to do a podcast. I didn't know the podcast was going to turn into a an internet radio station. I've got those downloads and meditation and prayer. You know what I'm saying. 23:42So, but, and I will, I will circle back to the one thing that I did know is I knew I wanted to be a writer, and I knew that starting this digital magazine basically 23:53would grant, grant me a following. And I knew that in the publishing world today because I had been told this by writers by published writers that you have to have a following to even get looked at basically 24:04Well, and the magic numbers like 10,000, you know. So what we hit 10,000 and then it just kept expanding and expanding and expanding and I was so damn busy. Next thing you know, we're at 50,000 followers and I'm saying to spirit, listen. 24:20I still haven't written the book actually haven't even written 24:23So I'm not going to go around chasing a book deal if you want me to write a book you bring it to me. Now that sounds absurd. 24:29But three months later I had an email in my inbox, saying, hey, we have this book. It's already sold to this major publisher and we think you're great to write it, do you, what do you think brandon handley24:40So they have the concept of the book. 24:42Yeah works on a writer and they needed a writer. 24:45And you read it. Yeah. Spirit Guides24:47And that's the thing these days, they already sell the concept of books, but you know now that sets me up to write the book that I want to write to write the books that I really want to write, you know what I'm saying. So 24:56It's a pause for a second, though, because you know brandon handley25:00There's also the again. 25:04There's, there's the idea of, you know, feeling a little bit of a law of attraction space, making the demand was fear, right, or like the idea of you asking it is given and just let it come to you. 25:17Right right hand to me right if I'm coming from a law of attraction space. I'm like, Hey, I'm here, how to end up here. You're living example of this right and or of 25:28Trusting the universe is another right as like your benefactor, you're like hey universe. This is what I like. You can just go ahead and have that show up. I'm not going to go chasing it 25:40But then it shows up, and you're like, Well, what's next. Spirit Guides25:43Right. And that, that means that means it's for you because you you can go out there and say hey universe. This is what I want. 25:52I'm not going to chase it bring it to me and you're not, you might not get it. 25:57Because it's not meant for you. brandon handley25:58And that's great too. Right. Like I make the lines of, you know, if I would have had a lot of money. When I was younger, or like an open like have liked it. Like, I felt like I wanted, I probably would have died. 26:11Like, I mean, right, it would have been a bad. So the universe is like no 26:16No, no bad idea, right, you're not ready for that. Sorry. 26:20Yeah, and or we don't want you right now, right, you've got more things to do. And that's, that's another thing that I kind of look at this as like if you made it this far in your life and like you're 26:28Still kind of wandering around. I like you know for the for the person that is 26:33So meaningful life, you know, perhaps there is and you know you guys start figuring that out because there's no reason for you still be here. 26:40One 400 what a trillion to be born and make it through like not get hit by a car or a bus eaten all that crazy crappy thing that G and just in some of whatever we know what you're doing out there. Right. But you've lived 26:52And and and and so you've got a purpose and to live it. So one of the purposes that you found is by going through, you know, kind of hitting this rock bottom right, I want to just 27:03dive off dependency the grief coach and afterlife expert aspect of it because we haven't yet. Um, let's talk about how you ends up even there. Spirit Guides27:12Sure. I mean, it's kind of a wild story, um, 27:17Because I, I didn't want to end up there that wasn't I joke. I never thought in my life. I want to be a grief and afterlife expert. 27:26Can can promise you that. But, you know, after my mom passed away. And after I did the really hardcore grieving for for a while. 27:36I just, I think, you know, I had already started spirit guides and I was like, you know, 27:41Like, I want to go train to be a grief coach and it just kind of came to me and I was like, all right, I'll start looking into programs and I did and I found one. And I went and I liked it and i and i just got trained. You know, I just did it, but 27:55But, and I wasn't even 27:57I didn't even know what I was going to do with it. I just felt intuitively intuitively nudge there. So I did it. And then shortly very shortly after I had a medium ship reading 28:09And the medium. Then in the middle, in the middle of it. She's like, and she's a very, very, I had to wait a year to get a meeting with her. She's a very, very popular medium and 28:23In the middle of that she's like, What are you doing, I need to 28:27And she's like, I'm so I'm not gonna take up your time of your reading. But after this. I need to talk to you what you're doing. Like my spirit guides are telling me I need to talk to you. 28:34So we end up having a chat and she's like, Oh, I told her about spirit guides, like I've been trying to reach younger people, and she's like you and then a week later I got an email from her. And she said, I want to invite you to be to speak at this afterlife conference. 28:49And I was like, 28:51I'm not 28:54Know that, like, I'm not qualified to be here and she wrote back, I'll never forget it. And she's like, Arizona, my dear, I have been told that you are going to be a very profound afterlife researcher and you need to be at this event. And I was like, what 29:07So I went to this event to and I sat on a panel talking about spirituality, like in younger generations and my mind blew way open because I didn't know much about the afterlife, other than 29:21My mom had died. I hope she was still alive and I went to a medium to find out, you know, 29:26So I guess the, the, that's the long answer. The short answer is, like, Spirit just drove me there and And ever since that first conference, it was just so obvious that that's what I was going to be doing that I had a place in that world for whatever reason. brandon handley29:43So along with being a CEO media company you're also doing like this grief coach. Is that right, Spirit Guides29:51Yeah, you know, and you know, I hadn't dove into the coaching part as much as I wanted to. Originally, just because I have been so busy now with 30:03And and people grieving everything because grief, you know, grief, there's a misconception. That's grief, just for 30:11a loved one who's passed away grief is for any change dramatic change in your world, which we are collectively experiencing like all of the changes right now, so I am 30:24Drawing more back into that coaching aspect and I'm starting to get some things lined up in that way because I think it's so important and and I've been basically advised by all of my spiritual advisors that that's something that I need to get going on right now too, so brandon handley30:40I love it. Right. So just a little bit about what it means right to 30:45Examine death and use this kind of as a catalyst to live our riches, the most meaningful lives. Spirit Guides30:53Sure. So what people don't know is that there's so much afterlife research out there. 30:59It's not mainstream so we don't hear about it or you know it's not it's doesn't get MAJOR FUNDING so we don't hear about it, but there's so much independent afterlife research outfit out there and there's so much documentation that to me proves that consciousness exists beyond 31:18beyond physical death right i totally spaced out your question, though. I'm gonna go go off on a tangent 31:24Oh, Spirit Guides31:27I get into my afterlife brain. And I'm like, Okay. brandon handley31:30So before I let you go into the next piece of what would it so somebody wants to go buy some information for themselves in the afterlife research. Where's the first place that you would direct them. Spirit Guides31:43So there's an. There's an organization called the afterlife. Research and Education Institute AR e AI and they are great starting off point. 31:53I feel bad because I didn't fully answer your last question, but my mind. brandon handley31:56Told me Spirit Guides31:58But, uh, anyway. So that's a great place to start off at 32:02And they, you know, they are doing research, their funding researchers, all kinds of stuff and and they're just signing up on their newsletter. There's also 32:11There's a newsletter that is run by a couple in Australia. That's really famous. It's called the Friday afterlife report and every Friday, they send out a newsletter of all this afterlife research that's either 32:23From the past or that's come up in the past week there's tons of it out there. So those are the two places I would start the afterlife report. It's with Victor and Wendy's dammit, and then AR e AI afterlife. Research and Education Institute or brandon handley32:38So the question we had was, um, how's examining death. And what happened was the absolute best way to move on. Spirit Guides32:48So, yes, yes, yes, yes. See, now that's a very important question. That's why I was having a hard time letting it go. Um, it's so important because of all the research that's out there, which is what I was getting into. 33:02It proves beyond a shadow of a doubt in my mind, from what I've seen. And what I've learned and what I've experienced and what I've researched that 33:10our physical bodies dies die, but our souls. Do not that we continue to live in the afterlife. Okay, so with that being said, the information that our loved ones that spirit guides 33:23That Spirit Guides33:25That arc angels, all of these beings and entities that are in on the other side, the information that can be channeled through them is so vital. 33:37To how we live our best lives. So it's, it's an interesting paradox because we don't tend to think about death or the afterlife until we're faced with it because we're so busy thinking about life and 33:47How we can live our best lives, but from what I've learned is that we can learn a lot about living our best lives from that wisdom that comes through the other side. 34:00And it's a shame that people I feel it's a shame that people my age don't get to do that very often because I'm the youngest one at these events. Okay, like 34:09I still don't know many people that have lost their primary you know parent or something like that, that in my age group, and my peer group so they feel like they are 34:19getting robbed of that wisdom because they're not going to go looking into the death or the afterlife. So I do kind of feel like 34:26It's my job to sort of bridge that gap because there's so much knowledge about how we can best live our lives that comes from looking at those more taboo topics. brandon handley34:37You know what's funny to me is just this morning I was listening to a song, ya know which one I listened to so many um I got a Swami the chain. I'm the 34:49But the idea is that, like, there's one in 1000 that's capable of kind of taking this information right that the what you got. Right, so 35:00You're kind of the light is lighting all those around you, as it were, with what you do. So I think that that's kind of the challenge, no matter what age group is 35:09Right when you when you kind of stumble across this you know it's like you're saying you're like everybody needs to know that you can live this magnificent way. Let's follow me. We're gonna sneak in and and 35:20Rightfully nobody's like I was like, no. 35:23Um, but what I want to hit on though is that, you know, when you experienced this grief when you experienced though your mother's passing 35:36I guess like ripping the veil right between you and the spirit world and 35:42Would you, would you explain it like that. Would you describe it like that. And would you 35:47Would you describe your experience with trying to share this information with other people is being challenging and not being able to accept it. Spirit Guides35:56Um, 35:59Yeah there it was totally an unveiling will say brought me so much closer. I mean, it was even the night, my mom passed away I her apparition came to me and I was awake, like, and she came and hugged me so the veil yeah it thinned an immensely immediately. 36:20Has the information been hard for me to get out and for people to accept. 36:27I want the answer to be that it's been really difficult. Like for dramatic effect, but it hasn't it hasn't. And I think that's because 36:37I'm attracting the people that want it. I'm not, I'm not trying to go out there and be a missionary or 36:44Or an evangelical about anything, you know, and I have zero religious ties or affiliation, which is interesting with afterlife. I mean, every, every 36:53Every serious spiritual or I'm sorry, every spirit serious religion has believed in the afterlife and has after life. 37:01Philosophy and I think that, you know, obviously, a lot of people thrown out religion in their lives. And I think that was kind of like we threw the baby out with the bathwater, kind of thing. 37:10So I'm not, I'm not attached to any religion or anything like that. So I don't think that I come off as missionary. I just think I, I tried to share my authentic experience and people who are looking for. 37:23Some answers to their own grief. They find me and it's so far the. The result has been one of comforting for them, rather than 37:34You know, combative or I don't believe what you're saying. So I maybe I'm fortunate in that but you know it hasn't it hasn't been too difficult. It's actually been very rewarding. I think brandon handley37:44I can see that, especially online. What about a person Spirit Guides37:48Well in person. It's like I'm 37:49Preaching the choir, you know, I'm going to 37:52But I will say this, I will say, even in my because I told you about my history as a, you know, being in the spiritual closet and everything, even the people in my life who like my family who's known me forever and 38:02You know weren't into these things at all. They just by osmosis have 38:07By coming to my events by hearing my podcast, things like that. And now they're there, you know, exploring their own stuff and their own afterlife. And now they've 38:16Had certain people passed away and they're reaching out to mediums and investigating like oh yeah I remember Arizona said this, so let me invest it on my own. So it's kind of like planting the seeds, you know, brandon handley38:27Not 100% i think that what you've done is, is by your by leading by example you've given them permission. Right. 38:33Yeah, showing them that you can step into the space without going on claims. 38:39Right, right. That is a good that it can be a good thing. Um, I like that you kind of touched on, you know, kind of these religions and throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and 38:51As far as I can tell right religions are kind of like this. 38:56Again, just like one of the thousands going to kind of understand this information right and then my kind of wants to do this just the whole 39:03You know, when the student is ready, the teacher will appear right and then does you like Panda hated that lines real 39:11Quick. Um, but the thing. And I think that's the attraction of some of the Eastern philosophies right because they've been so the console like 39:19Christianity bad, you know, the pope did this and you know those priests did that and all these things so that like they just won't accept it, even though, like the exact same thing as being in 99% of the same 39:30thing over here and like these Eastern religions and they're all if you got a contract is out, man. Look what I found, like 39:36You know, so I think that it really gives us people the opportunity to framework right for for their space. 39:43And for everybody else is kind of rejected if there's people like yourself, and I don't like, well, there's this other space. We can hang out into what's been said and all these other places, but you just want to have this different same conversation. Let's do it. 39:54Right, right, right. Um, 39:56Let's talk about 39:57The fest coming up. So this is podcast, I'm probably you know this weekend, which will I know the dates are like 928 or something like that. 40:09But you know what's the festival. Let's talk about what you got a Spirit Guides40:12Spiritual brandon handley40:13On 2020 Spirit Guides40:14Cool. Yeah. So it's the conscious spirit fest. It's a collaboration between myself. 40:20And my company spirit guides media and Mona Loring and her company conscious living PR and so it's conscious spirit fest. It's on October 10 or no, it's not. It's on October 18 I was thinking 10 for October is on October 18 2020 40:36It's a Sunday, and it's basically it's an all day online virtual festival, because that's what we're doing now virtual all day long and 40:45We're so excited about it. We basically curated the event that we wanted to have right now. 40:51You know we are lonely and isolated and we do need spiritual community, one way or another right now. And so we wanted to build something for people to 41:02Unite and people who who are want to focus on Unity right now in this crazy polarized role. And so we've. We have everything from yoga in the morning to guided meditations to sound healing to breath work. And then we have amazing speakers that are talking about everything from 41:21How to deal with this pandemic burnout to energy protection for light workers, we're going to have a medium come and do live medium ship readings and we our keynote speaker is column Adele, who's an astrologer, and he's going to be talking about 41:38You know the astrology coming up, you know, for 20 2021 and all that. And in astrology in these uncertain times and what what what we might have to look forward to, you know, the good, the bad, and the ugly or whatever. 41:51So, so, yeah. It's basically a day for everybody to come together and do all things mystical and create a spiritual community and 41:58And hang out together. So we're really, really excited about it. brandon handley42:02Now this sounds exciting. Like I said, you know, I think I saw Mona's paying off on Instagram. I saw start following it, and it seems like you know 42:10I love what you guys are putting together their talk to me a little bit about the astrologer, I think he's got like a little bit of a baton. What's his What's his Spirit Guides42:17So called Collins handle on Instagram is queer cosmos. And so he has he's he's and he is 42:24He's an amazing gay man and he started doing astrology for the queer community and which is was novel at the time, you know, and but more than that. I mean, he is 42:35He's one of my favorite guests have on my podcast. I'll say that right now. He's so enjoyable. He's brilliant. I mean IQ off the charts and he's he's so fun. So anytime that he's around. It's a good time. And I definitely recommend following him on Instagram at clear cosmos. He's great. brandon handley42:55So yeah, I remember that you're seeing them and chocolate. 42:59Yeah. brandon handley43:00Funny Guy when I grew up. I grew up, like in the gay community, you know, was out in San Francisco, San Francisco in the 80s right and and the one thing that happened out there was like my mom was an altercation with 43:16Her significant other, at the time, and he ended up by children and stuff. And so I ran across it, you know, the neighborhood and got these guys on the bed and they came. I can't rescue my mom so 43:28Oh wow, for the rest of my life, you know, gay guys have a 43:30Have a soft spot in my heart. Right. And it's just been in that community. It's, it's fun, right. Like, I mean, Spirit Guides43:36Oh, there's no doubt about that. brandon handley43:37So it's always a good time. 43:39See on 43:40Where, you know, should I send people to come check out more actually know what before I do that, 43:45I've done this for a minute, just because you know so the idea to have spiritual though. 43:48Is that you get this kind of you for high thru spirituality. Right. And that's like on the on the take us a spiritual dope is about that and then like 43:58You know, what's your spiritual hit right like and it talks about meditation, but when you when you're connected to source where, what does that look like Spirit Guides44:08Whoo. Yeah, there's, there's two for me. So definitely meditation. I'm a avid meditation or 44:15But their original Oh gee, writing, man. That's my space. That's my timelessness, that's the 44:20One place where I don't care if I haven't eaten and that's saying a lot. I love to eat. You know what I'm saying. Like that's that's the time where time flies and I just 44:30I'm in so much joy and I'm so inspired. I'm in spirit. You know that's that's where it is for me is when I'm writing. And so this man I'm preaching to myself right now. I got to clear it more time in my schedule to do it. 44:43But yeah, that's my spiritual dope for sure is is being in that creative zone. 44:50I love that question. brandon handley44:52Thank you. So the idea that too is like i mean i would i would i would say that 45:00You know, create you are creators right 45:03Yeah. And then when you surrender to that creativity. That's 45:08within you, right, that is source flowing through you. Is that fair to say Spirit Guides45:13Oh yeah 100%. I mean, we would we call God the Creator. And if you look at metaphysical principles as above, so below. We are here to create 45:26You know, and that's why that nine to five working somebody else's dream and fluorescent lit room didn't work for me because I felt that called to be creative. I felt, what am I doing here, if I'm not creating brandon handley45:37Something Spirit Guides45:38And now you can be creative, creative doesn't mean writing or painting all the time, creative can mean coming up with a scientific cure for cancer or whatever, you know, using your creative brain. You're in passionate about it. And so I absolutely agree with you. brandon handley45:52I love that you hit on life because 45:55People don't always recognize that they feel like creativity has to be writing painting singing, dancing. Spirit Guides46:02Brain, the arts. brandon handley46:03The classical arts 46:05Yeah, right. But 46:08And I know as somebody one day. 46:11You just got it. What is it that you'd like to create and I'm like, Well, I'm not very creative like 46:14You know you're raising kids are doing this that the other than your training things right, you're making moments, you're creating moments I mean creativity is more than, you know, put a pretty picture right so I love that you hit on that. Thanks for hanging on that. 46:29Yeah, what type of meditation do you do it, you Spirit Guides46:34Got just you didn't do not asked me that question. 46:37I am I am not. 46:39Trained in meditation at all. I'm self taught and 46:44For whatever reason, I'm pretty good at it. I just I lay down you can see my bed back there. I lay down horizontally. I don't sit in lotus position or anything I lay down on my bed. 46:54I play some Native American flute music and I go in 46:57Los brandon handley46:59That's great to write in terms of meditation or a feeling it's got to be done a certain way or like, yeah, I did a really shitty meditation this morning. Spirit Guides47:09I i think 47:11I think I you know it's the keep it simple, stupid like that's that's been my philosophy for 47:17My spiritual path and it's what's worked out for me. Like I and I you know in my company I've seen it all. I promote people that do it all. I'm talking like all the all the modalities and the 47:29Divination tactics and all this stuff and I'm Oh gee prayer and meditation and you know we all just got to do what works for us. brandon handley47:38To so they 47:40Just show us what your prayer. Looks like I always say this because I think of this Norman Vincent feel kind of skip 47:49It's not as good. It's like when he's doing his own in power positive thinking thing. 47:53And talks about this lady testing because you when you pray you don't like out there like a beggar. 47:59You know, you're like oh please give me all these things would you like you demand you know much very somewhere, come what you're talking about, like, 48:07I'm not going after it. It's got to come to me like these are things I want you know. So what's your, what's your prayer look like. Just out of curiosity, Spirit Guides48:13Yeah, I mean it's it. That is a good point it start, the only it starts always with gratitude. 48:20Always with gratitude and and then I do go into my demands. I do feeling that I've, I've had the shift from beggar to 48:30You know, this is, this is what I this is what is going to be brought to me and I, and I've learned that over time through spiritual mentors, saying, you know, you 48:38This is yours for the taking. You can you demand that so I start with gratitude and and I pray for you know what I need. In most of the time that's to take away my 48:50Worries and stresses and concerns because that's the only thing in my way. So I do pray for that to be taken and I pray for the people that I love and I pray that 49:02You know that love walks before me wherever I go. And then I pray to be used, how spirit needs me. And then I say, thank you. 49:11Yeah. brandon handley49:12Um, this will be like my last question. 49:17So when you. I like the idea of writing when you write 49:24With a pen in hand right or doesn't have to be. But I feel like that's what I'm most connected. I like to call it cosmic record player. This is my cosmic needle right 49:36You know, do you have a preference of writing by hand or typing. Spirit Guides49:41I'm 49:43I'm right differently. I write, I write both ways. And I write for different reasons I I write. I typically write 49:52Pen in Hand in my journal when I'm writing for myself and nobody else if that makes sense. And for my own clarity and my own as you say connection. 50:03But it's all about the computer for everything else. 50:07My hand hurts too much. brandon handley50:10Out of out of curiosity, right, like yourself. Once Spirit Guides50:13I do agree with you though there's there's different 50:16A whole different vibe. When you got the pen in your hand. Right, right. brandon handley50:20Now, and look, I mean, it takes a lot to to write Tom by paper. 50:27Pretty fast, man. Spirit Guides50:28Yeah, exactly. brandon handley50:31Okay, so where we're gonna need to go a couple places or warm place. So we're gonna go to find you and the spirit fast. Spirit Guides50:39Sure, I'm okay. Ultimately, you can go to spirit guides media.com for everything that I do. And on top of the navigation. 50:48At spirit guides media com you will see a link that says festival and that is where you can learn more about it. You can see the lineup. The full lineup. I didn't touch on everything. 50:58And also purchase tickets and we are offering a sliding scale pay what you can because times are tough and that is 51:05I feel the responsible thing to do. So we have that offered and other than that, you can find me on instagram at spirit guides media or my personal one is at underscore Arizona bell. I think that covers everything brandon handley51:20No. 51:22Um, well, this event view digitally after the past Spirit Guides51:28Great question. Can't believe I forgot to say that. Absolutely. So if you are able to catch none of it live or half of it live or all of it live and want to watch it again. We will send out a replay of the entire day video. So you'll get to see it all. brandon handley51:43Awesome, Arizona. Thank you so much for stopping by. Spirit Guides51:45Thanks, Brandon. It's been a joy and a pleasure.

Speaker or Performer: Pastor Grover Cleveland Scripture Passage(s): Luke 16:19-31 Date of Delivery: September 13, 2020 Luke 16:19-3119There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

View the Children’s Bulletin for this weekService Time: 7:00 p.m.All are welcome!Visit our YouTube channel — Click the red “subscribe” box, and then click on the “bell” next to that box to receive Live Streaming notifications. You must be logged into YouTube to activate these features.SPECIAL WORSHIP OPPORTUNITY: Saturday morning service (10:00 a.m.) Participant number will be limited to a total of TWENTY FIVE (23 worshippers, 1 elder, pastor). Saturday’s readings and sermon will be the same as the following Sunday’s (these services are currently different from one another). REGISTER FOR SATURDAY.You can donate online at: http://www.zlcb.org/donate1 Kings 18:20-40So Ahab sent to all the people of Israel and gathered the prophets together at Mount Carmel. And Elijah came near to all the people and said, “How long will you go limping between two different opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him.” And the people did not answer him a word. Then Elijah said to the people, “I, even I only, am left a prophet of the LORD, but Baal's prophets are 450 men. Let two bulls be given to us, and let them choose one bull for themselves and cut it in pieces and lay it on the wood, but put no fire to it. And I will prepare the other bull and lay it on the wood and put no fire to it. And you call upon the name of your god, and I will call upon the name of the LORD, and the God who answers by fire, he is God.” And all the people answered, “It is well spoken.” Then Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, “Choose for yourselves one bull and prepare it first, for you are many, and call upon the name of your god, but put no fire to it.” And they took the bull that was given them, and they prepared it and called upon the name of Baal from morning until noon, saying, “O Baal, answer us!” But there was no voice, and no one answered. And they limped around the altar that they had made. And at noon Elijah mocked them, saying, “Cry aloud, for he is a god. Either he is musing, or he is relieving himself, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and must be awakened.” And they cried aloud and cut themselves after their custom with swords and lances, until the blood gushed out upon them. And as midday passed, they raved on until the time of the offering of the oblation, but there was no voice. No one answered; no one paid attention.Then Elijah said to all the people, “Come near to me.” And all the people came near to him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that had been thrown down. Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, to whom the word of the LORD came, saying, “Israel shall be your name,” and with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD. And he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two seahs of seed. And he put the wood in order and cut the bull in pieces and laid it on the wood. And he said, “Fill four jars with water and pour it on the burnt offering and on the wood.” And he said, “Do it a second time.” And they did it a second time. And he said, “Do it a third time.” And they did it a third time. And the water ran around the altar and filled the trench also with water.And at the time of the offering of the oblation, Elijah the prophet came near and said, “O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, let it be known this day that you are God in Israel, and that I am your servant, and that I have done all these things at your word. Answer me, O LORD, answer me, that this people may know that you, O LORD, are God, and that you have turned their hearts back.” Then the fire of the LORD fell and consumed the burnt offering and the wood and the stones and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces and said, “The LORD, he is God; the LORD, he is God.” And Elijah said to them, “Seize the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape.” And they seized them. And Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon and slaughtered them there.Ephesians 2:1-22And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience — among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.ConfessionWhat is Confession?Confession has two parts. First, that we confess our sins, and second, that we receive absolution, that is, forgiveness, from the pastor as from God Himself, not doubting, but firmly believing that by it our sins are forgiven before God in heaven.

Tread more lightly and create a beautiful sustainable spaces by using repurposed materials. Annie and Shane from Salvage Merchants show you how to repurpose materials for your next renovation or home improvement project.In this episode we discuss:What sort of materials you can use for renovation and home improvementTips you can use for your DIY repurposing projectsBiggest mistakes people use when they use repurposed materialsCreating bespoke pieces using items with sentimental value and salvaged materials**This episode of the Dream Home Movement was recorded live at the RPPFM**Follow the Salvage MerchantsWebsiteFacebookInstagramFollow the Dream Home MovementFacebookInstagramFollow Carl and Jo VioletaFacebookInstagramWebGuest bioHusband and wife team, Shane and Annie Brereton quit their jobs in 2017 and went searching for adventure. They dreamed up Salvage Merchants on a trip down the East Coast of Australia. A desire to tread more gently led them to repurposing. With too many combined skills to mention, this dynamic duo create unique, authentic living spaces using salvaged materials. They value doing more with less, driving change through example, connection without competition and open hearted engagement with their clients and they don’t mind getting their hands dirty to create something truly beautiful for their clients!Transcript00:00:00 - 00:00:05Welcome to the Dream Home movement. This's your weekly dose of home00:00:05 - 00:00:11and property inspiration. Bring you clever tips and advice from the very best00:00:11 - 00:00:20experts. And really like Renno storeys with your host, Joe Violeta. Welcome00:00:20 - 00:00:23back to the Dream Home Movement. You're here with me, your host job,00:00:23 - 00:00:29Violet. And tonight we are talking about repurpose ing materials for your00:00:29 - 00:00:35renovation and for home improvements. So to help me of that topic, I have00:00:35 - 00:00:41Anne and her husband, Shane, from salvage merchants in the studio. Now00:00:41 - 00:00:45their business specialises in renovating and making over space is using00:00:45 - 00:00:50salvaged and repurpose materials. They offer a solution beginning from design00:00:50 - 00:00:54right through to implementation and everything in between. They're00:00:54 - 00:00:59completely hands on from beginning to end, and they don't mind getting their00:00:59 - 00:01:06hands dirty to truly crypt create beautiful, sustainable spaces for their client.00:01:06 - 00:01:12Welcome to the studio. It's lovely to have you here, and I think what we might00:01:12 - 00:01:16start off where before we get stuck into the nitty gritty because we're going to00:01:16 - 00:01:20look at what sort of materials you can use when you're repurpose ing for00:01:20 - 00:01:24renovation. Home improvement. We're going toe. I'm going to pick anyone00:01:24 - 00:01:33Shane's brains for tips that you can use and also look at mistakes that people00:01:33 - 00:01:37make when they're using repurposed materials. We're going to look at all that00:01:37 - 00:01:42stuff is loads of value in this episode. But before we get started, what led you00:01:42 - 00:01:47to create a business that uses repurpose ing for renovation and home00:01:47 - 00:01:53improvement? So why salvage merchants? Joe, we didn't really have a plan,00:01:53 - 00:01:58to be honest almost two years ago, we were both feeling pretty dissatisfied00:01:58 - 00:02:05with the 9 to 5 grind, and we just had a desire Teo work together. We've got00:02:05 - 00:02:10what we consider a pretty unique combined skill set, and we work really well00:02:10 - 00:02:15as a team. And so this was something we wanted to have a go it. We weren't00:02:15 - 00:02:18exactly sure what salvage merchants would look like, and it has certainly00:02:18 - 00:02:26changed in the two short years we've been going. But at the rial heart of our00:02:26 - 00:02:31business was a passion to churn a little more gently on this earth and which we00:02:31 - 00:02:37are doing in our home life. But doing it our business life as well. I absolutely00:02:37 - 00:02:42love that, and there does seem to be a riel movement at the moment towards00:02:42 - 00:02:48more sustainable living and particularly it comes to crew creating homes with00:02:48 - 00:02:53here on the peninsula. There's definitely a move towards using more00:02:53 - 00:02:58environmentally friendly materials. Ram Jeff Walls, for example. So I love00:02:58 - 00:03:04that. That's one of the inspirations behind your business. So what kind of00:03:04 - 00:03:12materials do you repurpose anything from furniture? Anything from building00:03:12 - 00:03:18materials, doors, windows. There is so much out there to be used, and I see it00:03:18 - 00:03:22every day because we look for it and it sze everywhere and everyone's00:03:22 - 00:03:30backyard or so one of the main basis off our business is to reuse repurpose. So00:03:30 - 00:03:33find something that you've already got or something that already exists instead00:03:33 - 00:03:38of going out and buying the new all the time. So we work around sourcing00:03:38 - 00:03:43materials. That would be, as I said, furniture from antique shops, vintage00:03:43 - 00:03:48shops, anything that takes your fancy, and you, Khun with the styles, he says00:03:48 - 00:03:51you can mix all that up so we look for that and we also looked for building00:03:51 - 00:03:54materials from wrecking yards, houses getting knocked down, a ll the time we00:03:54 - 00:03:59see them beautiful houses knocked down and then something a big box built00:03:59 - 00:04:03back up there and nothing reused, and it's quite sad to see it all go to waste.00:04:03 - 00:04:07So anything from anything from furniture at the end of the smallest piece,00:04:07 - 00:04:12right up to a whole house full of full of gear that we use, that's it. Basically.00:04:12 - 00:04:19Wow. So it Khun Bay furniture. It could be building materials like tiles.00:04:19 - 00:04:22Would trials are hard won. Yeah, and it's one of the hard ones to get up. But00:04:22 - 00:04:28timber flooring, skirting boards, doors, windows A ll, that sort of thing. Yes,00:04:28 - 00:04:32yes, they're pretty much anything. Get out of the house without breaking it is00:04:32 - 00:04:38reusable. Wow, that's amazing. And I greet is really sad. You do see a lot of00:04:38 - 00:04:44beautiful mid century homes, older homes, beautiful with sometimes a00:04:44 - 00:04:50beautiful art Deco features and they just ripped down on. We put four town00:04:50 - 00:04:55houses on top of where they, which is fine, like, you know, I totally get that.00:04:55 - 00:05:01We want to develop affordable housing and invest in property and all that sort00:05:01 - 00:05:06of stuff. But it is sad if that's right down and then nothing is. It's just gone00:05:06 - 00:05:13completely. Yes, so do you have any tips for people who would like to use00:05:13 - 00:05:18repurpose and up cycled materials in their homes that they want to do a bit of d00:05:18 - 00:05:24I y Yeah, look, I think for a lot of us, we all think everything's too hard, and00:05:24 - 00:05:28so there's a lot of procrastination and nothing happened. So my advice, really,00:05:28 - 00:05:32just like our business is, Just have a go. You know, there's so much to be00:05:32 - 00:05:37learned out there. We're so fortunate with the Internet, with Pinterest YouTube00:05:37 - 00:05:44all those avenues available, asked to us tto learn and to explore different uses S00:05:44 - 00:05:49O if you've got something that you love and you cherish but sitting in a carbon00:05:49 - 00:05:53, it's not being used. Just jump on Pinterest, jump on some of those online00:05:53 - 00:05:58sites and have a look for some ideas and you'll find tutorials. You find all sorts00:05:58 - 00:06:05of things. Teo learn how how to do things. But yeah, I guess my main advice00:06:05 - 00:06:10is just have a go. Just give it a crack. What have you got to lose? And00:06:10 - 00:06:21Pinterest is a great source of inspiration. It's also Rabbit Hole. You can get E00:06:21 - 00:06:26and I can actually track my life through my boards. You know, 10 years ago it00:06:26 - 00:06:34was wedding staff and then it's like baby staff. And now it's like cleaning stuff00:06:34 - 00:06:44, eyes happening to my life. Thea Pinterest is great. Ah, lot of because I get a00:06:44 - 00:06:50lot of real life. You know, people on the show is just ordinary people that have00:06:50 - 00:06:59done their own renovations and love them like YouTube. U e. But I really love00:06:59 - 00:07:05that. Just give it a go. Give it a go. You offer a service where you create00:07:05 - 00:07:09among your other services. You offer a service where you create bespoke00:07:09 - 00:07:16pieces for your clients. What does that process involve? So, Joe, usually00:07:16 - 00:07:22what happens is a client will come to us either with an idea or potentially a00:07:22 - 00:07:29problem that they need solving and to give you an example way really00:07:29 - 00:07:34encourage our customers to reuse things they've got. And we have beautiful00:07:34 - 00:07:37customer that we've done quite a few pieces for. And she had her00:07:37 - 00:07:44grandmother's vintage mix up bench mix up and she'd seen Shane had made a00:07:44 - 00:07:50similar lamp out of an old mixer in store. We used to have a little retail store,00:07:50 - 00:07:54which we no longer Joe on DH. She came one day and she said, Look, I've00:07:54 - 00:08:00got this in the cupboard and I don't use it But I love it and it has great sentiment00:08:00 - 00:08:03And I said, What? You let us turn it into a lamp on DH? She was just thrilled00:08:03 - 00:08:09. It just is incredible to see how people feel and the connexion that they have.00:08:09 - 00:08:14Teo really simple pieces. They don't have to be expensive, but they create true00:08:14 - 00:08:18meaning. And that's really what we're about. ATT. The moment chains00:08:18 - 00:08:24building a beautiful outdoor table for some clients who were doing it a big00:08:24 - 00:08:29outdoor renovation for and they haven't existing table. But they don't love it00:08:29 - 00:08:34and said, What can we use and way happen? Tohave instructs, um, old00:08:34 - 00:08:42timber palate pieces. Once of a better word, they were packing pieces of00:08:42 - 00:08:46packing timbered. These we've little pieces of hacking timber and Shane's00:08:46 - 00:08:51laminate them all together and made this incredible table on bench seats,00:08:51 - 00:08:55which they haven't seen yet. So, George, if you're listening, just stand by00:08:55 - 00:08:59because it was really exciting. Further it, it's just it's beautiful and, you know00:08:59 - 00:09:03, these are pieces of timber picked up off the side of a road actually by another00:09:03 - 00:09:07customer of ours who saw them and couldn't let them go to waste loaded them00:09:07 - 00:09:10up in is you brought them down to us and he said, Hey, guys, could you we00:09:10 - 00:09:14use them We said, Well, not now, but we will and we have. And that's00:09:14 - 00:09:20fantastic. Well, so that they would have ended up in landfill. Correct. And00:09:20 - 00:09:27now can we just go back to the mix up? Hold on What? The mix. It became a00:09:27 - 00:09:36lamb mixture like a MENSA and then e a nick so that you make cakes. We do00:09:36 - 00:09:41that, um, insight still into elect. You know, the ones that used to be, oh,00:09:41 - 00:09:45handled. It's great looking pieces, but no one knows what they're doing00:09:45 - 00:09:51because it's all electric these days. So turned into a lamp so you could have00:09:51 - 00:09:56something at home that has great sentimental value. But there's no riel00:09:56 - 00:10:03everyday use for it. You'd like to be able to see it or use it or borrow, and you00:10:03 - 00:10:07could go. We could got come to you and just say, this is what I've got what00:10:07 - 00:10:14can what do you believe that one of the favourite lance that chains made was a00:10:14 - 00:10:19old silver tea set. So the coffee part in the Sugar Bowl and Crema and hey00:10:19 - 00:10:24stepped it all up into a beautiful, beautiful lamp. And you know that that was00:10:24 - 00:10:27something that belonged to somebody that was sitting in a cupboard not being00:10:27 - 00:10:34used. And now it's enjoyed every day. I love that. That is so very clever. Are00:10:34 - 00:10:40there any other very special bespoke pieces that you've created for a client that00:10:40 - 00:10:47really stand out for year? Look, the ultimate is a complete cottage. So we00:10:47 - 00:10:53were very fortunate, really Early in our business, Tio have been contacted by00:10:53 - 00:10:59some some people that we knew through through other connexions and they00:10:59 - 00:11:02asked us for some input into little cottage. They have down here on the00:11:02 - 00:11:08Mornington Peninsula on their property and we're looking at ways Teo utilise00:11:08 - 00:11:12that space and I don't think either of us. We're quite sure what we're going to00:11:12 - 00:11:16do. And we put together some ideas and basically they turned around and said00:11:16 - 00:11:22, Yes, Tio, what we propose, which was back in that day, a Pinterest board00:11:22 - 00:11:28and with great faith and trust in us. These incredible people literally and00:11:28 - 00:11:34figuratively handed us the keys to their property and said, Do what you like00:11:34 - 00:11:40and we delivered them. And Airbnb business full off completely bespoke00:11:40 - 00:11:44pieces. So speaking about Lance being made, they've got a beautiful little old00:11:44 - 00:11:51bell in the on sweet that's made from a light Sorry, that's made from a bell.00:11:51 - 00:11:57The vanity sink in the bathroom is an old jam, copper posh on DH. Pretty00:11:57 - 00:12:02much everything in that cottage was either secondhand or actually belonged to00:12:02 - 00:12:08the clients and had been repurposed or part from mattresses and linen, which00:12:08 - 00:12:15we really don't go second hand on fair. Everything else was created by us, so00:12:15 - 00:12:21it's a complete bespoke solution for them, and we're just so incredibly proud of00:12:21 - 00:12:26it. And so, you know, thrilled that somebody would have that trust Eunice00:12:26 - 00:12:32Teo build a business for them like that. Have I seen photos of that little Jack00:12:32 - 00:12:40cottage? So if you're listening to the live show head on over Teo, either goatee00:12:40 - 00:12:46instagram and go to either the Dream Home Movement page, the latest couple00:12:46 - 00:12:54of posts the Jack Cottage or go to is it salvage merchants. Yet on Instagram,00:12:54 - 00:13:00and I'm pretty sure that was one of your most recent posts as well was the Jack00:13:00 - 00:13:05If you go on overto ira, go to both instagram accounts and have a look and you00:13:05 - 00:13:11you will see just how gorgeous this piece of I think it's like livable artwork. To00:13:11 - 00:13:15be honest with you, I was really quite stunned. You may have noticed I went a00:13:15 - 00:13:21little bit over the top with Instagram storeys that cottage this week. It's00:13:21 - 00:13:25gorgeous and people can stay. There certainly can, eh? So what, They just00:13:25 - 00:13:31look up Jack Cottage Instagram. It's Jack Underscore Cottage and got the most00:13:31 - 00:13:36beautiful garden surrounds Just down in Somerville on DH. It's a really00:13:36 - 00:13:40beautiful place to start. Hell over. There we go. You just get your clients a00:13:40 - 00:13:51little Ah, that sounds amazing. And to be given creative licence is amazing On00:13:51 - 00:13:56the topic off Airbnb Tze and bed and breakfasts and that sort of thing the00:13:56 - 00:14:02peninsula is brimming with holiday rentals. I just stayed in a gorgeous one in00:14:02 - 00:14:07German or a couple of weeks ago, but there's just so many Airbnb. He's on the00:14:07 - 00:14:13peninsula, and I was doing a bit of research for this episode, and I noticed that00:14:13 - 00:14:19you've got a service called the Elevate BNB service, which I think would be00:14:19 - 00:14:24perfect for the peninsula. All these Airbnb he's on the peninsula. So can you00:14:24 - 00:14:30tell us about that that service? What? What does it involve? Sure, So it's a00:14:30 - 00:14:35service that we provide. And Jack Cottage was really eye opening for us and00:14:35 - 00:14:41was footing the door to the short term rental market. And we just absolutely00:14:41 - 00:14:48love it and very keen to provide experiences for people and help people that00:14:48 - 00:14:54already have event. These short term rentals really elevate their experience00:14:54 - 00:14:58because there are some horror storeys out. There s o the service that we offer00:14:58 - 00:15:05provides. It's going to have a look at the property and really looking at every00:15:05 - 00:15:09aspect of the property, from online presence, social media presence,00:15:09 - 00:15:17photography and imagery of the cottage pricing structure right through00:15:17 - 00:15:25everything to do with with house manuals, all sorts of tips and tricks that we00:15:25 - 00:15:29know. We've spent a lot of time on a lot of energy and researching thiss field.00:15:29 - 00:15:35So we go and we then compare this property with other comparable listings in00:15:35 - 00:15:40the immediate area. So if it's a two bedroom sleep, small people, we would00:15:40 - 00:15:44We would present a really comprehensive report of recommendations based on00:15:44 - 00:15:48comparable process properties where where we feel your property could sit00:15:48 - 00:15:52pricing wise. And you know what? Your occupancy should be sitting out,00:15:52 - 00:15:56what sort of returns you should be getting. And from there we provide a really00:15:56 - 00:16:00detailed list of recommendations of what we could do to really get you up to00:16:00 - 00:16:05that stage. Because, as I'm sure you're an Airbnb user, I'm sure you've looked00:16:05 - 00:16:10at lots of properties online, looked at an image, and I never stayed there. Yeah00:16:10 - 00:16:17, and imagery really is the first thing, and it's an easy thing to solve. And so00:16:17 - 00:16:22we help clients right through every step of that process through the having, as00:16:22 - 00:16:27we say, having the pantry stopped ready to go. So that's what we offer. We00:16:27 - 00:16:31provide a report. We come down, we have a look. We provide a report, and00:16:31 - 00:16:35then you can choose which recommendations you like to pursue from there.00:16:35 - 00:16:42Wow, that's like a four consultancy services. Well, that's amazing. And so00:16:42 - 00:16:47needed because the competition is fierce on the peninsula. Yes, a lot of people00:16:47 - 00:16:53like to holiday here, but there are a lot of being based to compete with. But I00:16:53 - 00:17:00still think you can make great money if you've got the right product. And yet00:17:00 - 00:17:06imagery is just so important, isn't it? Absolutely. It's gotto feel like you're00:17:06 - 00:17:11having a break from reality. You know, you're providing an experienced, you00:17:11 - 00:17:15get experience. It's not. You're not just doing in somebody's home, you know00:17:15 - 00:17:19you are or rental or whatever. It's an experience. That's what people want.00:17:19 - 00:17:22And that's what they should be demanding for the money that they're spending00:17:22 - 00:17:27something out of the ordinary, something different and unique and spoke on00:17:27 - 00:17:31DH. That's what we help our clients create. And then they choose the00:17:31 - 00:17:36recommendation, and then you go and we do and then do it all case. It's00:17:36 - 00:17:41consultancy, and then it's the actual implementation that's correct, so they can00:17:41 - 00:17:45take on board a ll the ideas and tips that we give them and do it themselves if00:17:45 - 00:17:49they work. Ideally, we like to get in there and, you know, get it looking,00:17:49 - 00:17:54looking good online style, A little bit, you know, with a reasonably low00:17:54 - 00:17:59budget actually just boost the sales, boost the accommodation and that's what00:17:59 - 00:18:03it's all about. You wantto you want your business to go online and be00:18:03 - 00:18:09successful. But if you haven't got a ll these little boxes ticked. It's really hard.00:18:09 - 00:18:13A CZ, you said with with all the other ones around. It's just so hard to get into00:18:13 - 00:18:20the market. And the competition's pretty and you're styling is on point as well.00:18:20 - 00:18:26Who's in charge of the styling? E. Try really? D'oh! And I'll put something00:18:26 - 00:18:29on or move something. Sure, she'll look at it and I go, What do you think?00:18:29 - 00:18:34And she just gives me this little look and I go, It's no good. So I just leave that00:18:34 - 00:18:38to her most of the time. You know, right from when I get up in the morning00:18:38 - 00:18:42and I'll set up the pillows on the bed and all that sort of thing and ensure00:18:42 - 00:18:46passing. Just look at it and I just still haven't got It just happened. So that's a00:18:46 - 00:18:50no on the duo are put things together. I screw things together and now things00:18:50 - 00:18:54and paint things and and she does to you. We both get into the into the tools00:18:54 - 00:19:02and all that sort of thing. But stylist Shane you and I like birds of a feather00:19:02 - 00:19:07soon because I just don't know what looks good with what? That's why I think00:19:07 - 00:19:10that's why I started this show so I could make friends. Have lots of stylists like00:19:10 - 00:19:16send them photos of my housing. Is this right with you on? And he says, I00:19:16 - 00:19:20want this make this like the last year she said to me, I want a Christmas tree00:19:20 - 00:19:24made out of fence pickets like, you know, the old style. Oh, cool. And she00:19:24 - 00:19:29said, He's the pickets and Christmas Trail. Okay, sat down and come back00:19:29 - 00:19:32and see. What do you think of this? You know, you're not too bad, but00:19:32 - 00:19:36changes and change that took it away again. Come back. What do you think?00:19:36 - 00:19:40I think that's really close. But you just need this and then it'll come together.00:19:40 - 00:19:46So I'm on the tools, but she's got putting himself down a lot. He has an00:19:46 - 00:19:50incredible creative. Yeah, that is honestly the real reason why we wanted to do00:19:50 - 00:19:55something together. He's got He may not know how to fluff a pillow or use00:19:55 - 00:20:01your room. That's so he does have a really great creative eye on. So00:20:01 - 00:20:06everything we do really is a combined effort way bounce ideas off off each00:20:06 - 00:20:11other all the time, and I just I just want to add about that elevates service, You00:20:11 - 00:20:16know, what I really want to say is at the heart of that whole service is the ethos00:20:16 - 00:20:21of our business, and it is reused. And so we don't come in and go and get rid00:20:21 - 00:20:26of every piece of furniture. That's just not who, Where about where about00:20:26 - 00:20:29what else have you got? What have you got hiding in the garage that I can use00:20:29 - 00:20:34? What can I say? You know, throw a lick of paint on to completely transform00:20:34 - 00:20:40that. So it's very much of the core of everything we do is our reuse repurpose00:20:40 - 00:20:44philosophy. I love that, and I just love how complimentary you are of each00:20:44 - 00:20:54other as well. I wish everyone could see in the studio that is like smiling. But00:20:54 - 00:20:59I do really appreciate the fact that you can transform and Airbnb or a home, for00:20:59 - 00:21:04example, and use stuff that you already have. We don't realise what treasures?00:21:04 - 00:21:08We've got it. You can buy it anymore. You just can't find all this stuff. You00:21:08 - 00:21:12can go into your stores so the name but and you could get a piece of furniture.00:21:12 - 00:21:17But if you go put that piece of furniture out on the front lawn and it rains on it,00:21:17 - 00:21:22it's gone. You know where some of the old stuff is just so good. And it's00:21:22 - 00:21:26coming back in, and we are. There is a turn. There's a really big shift, I think00:21:26 - 00:21:30. And we're right at the start of it because, you know, the planets all going Tio00:21:30 - 00:21:35, you know, and we're all going to get in and work out ways of doing it. And00:21:35 - 00:21:40it'll happen. It's all goingto have tto happen where we all have to actually think00:21:40 - 00:21:44about what we're actually doing day to day. Yeah, yeah, we do. Yeah, And it00:21:44 - 00:21:50is I feel like that shift is happening. I d'oh, it's very slow yet, and we're really00:21:50 - 00:21:56at the start of it. But for a long time, I didn't make a lot of changes and we00:21:56 - 00:22:00didn't as a family make a lot of changes because we all feel so overwhelmed by00:22:00 - 00:22:04how much we should be doing. And then we just made a decision as a family,00:22:04 - 00:22:09you know, progression over perfection, progression over perfection every day00:22:09 - 00:22:15. You know, if I'm better than I was six months ago, Better than I was child00:22:15 - 00:22:20months ago. We all still got a long way to go. But we've just got to try. Yeah,00:22:20 - 00:22:26I love that message. I did have Andrea from roving refills Frankston in the00:22:26 - 00:22:31studio a few months ago. She and she has a blood caught on wasteful Andrea.00:22:31 - 00:22:37And she has that same message that we get too caught up with trying to be00:22:37 - 00:22:42perfect when it comes to sustainability and reducing waste that then people just00:22:42 - 00:22:48do that. Then they become paralysed and do nothing but small changes. They00:22:48 - 00:22:53do actually add up, and they are quite significant. Don't worry. Andrew is not00:22:53 - 00:23:05. She's not perfect. No one. Every day we're still changing. We're still00:23:05 - 00:23:08becoming aware of what we're doing, and we still may. We can change that00:23:08 - 00:23:13now and, you know, and what a lover. And she'll go out and forget to take the00:23:13 - 00:23:16shopping bags with their and she'll come home with a plastic shopping where00:23:16 - 00:23:20get again and you know, you just come on and you know, the younger00:23:20 - 00:23:25generation of you got to save themselves a cz well, but yeah, and we do. We00:23:25 - 00:23:28keep making those mistakes, and sometimes you have to. You can't bring00:23:28 - 00:23:34them 20. Apple's a bag. That's fair enough. You just gotto practise it. I think00:23:34 - 00:23:38we're all gonna practise, and we'll get there eventually. What are some of the00:23:38 - 00:23:42mistakes that people make when they are using repurposed materials in in their00:23:42 - 00:23:46home? And how can they avoid those mistakes? I think one of the biggest00:23:46 - 00:23:51ones is people think it's going to be cheaper, which is not always going to be a00:23:51 - 00:23:58it. Generally it is. But if you're going to go out and buy a sticker timber from00:23:58 - 00:24:02Bunning's, it's quick. It's easy. It's reasonably cheap, and it really is. But it's00:24:02 - 00:24:06not about saving money for us. It's more about saving the earth at the end of00:24:06 - 00:24:11the day, so don't make that mistake. You think it's going to be cheaper because00:24:11 - 00:24:14quite often you'll go out and buy a piece and have to bring it back and modify it00:24:14 - 00:24:19and change it or sand it back or painted or whatever it is S O that's that's the00:24:19 - 00:24:26first thing it's never, never, never, always cheap. So that's one of the other00:24:26 - 00:24:31thing would be If it's out of your depth, just don't do it way. Can't do00:24:31 - 00:24:34everything. We can't do everything but have a go. If it's something that is00:24:34 - 00:24:38qualified tradesman like Electrician's or plumber and all that sort of thing,00:24:38 - 00:24:42they're the things that don't like to touch. I do a little bit of election electrical00:24:42 - 00:24:48work, but it's all well within my scope of skills and always get it checked by00:24:48 - 00:24:51an electrician's anyway. So I'll get it tested and tag in the light special with my00:24:51 - 00:24:58lamps and things like that s o that sze another thing have ago. But, you know,00:24:58 - 00:25:03make sure you're not well, you know, out of your depth on I think the third00:25:03 - 00:25:08more third thing, I think, was if you really need it done, if the biggest mistake00:25:08 - 00:25:16is if you haven't called us, that's a really I think that's a thing call and we'll get00:25:16 - 00:25:21it sorted for you. You know, the D I Y things is massive. Now it's you see it00:25:21 - 00:25:25on TV. Everywhere people are getting in, getting their hands dirty and having00:25:25 - 00:25:31go and it sze really a big achievement when you do something yourself and00:25:31 - 00:25:35there's plenty of help that out there A said YouTube. Get on there, you learn00:25:35 - 00:25:39how to do anything. I taught myself how to play the piano off YouTube, you00:25:39 - 00:25:43know, all rose sorts of things. And the other day I was out there learning how00:25:43 - 00:25:47to fix my car. There's something broke on it, and I fixed it. You know, it's I00:25:47 - 00:25:53didn't have to send it off and pay top dollar to get it fixed. So there's things00:25:53 - 00:25:58like that. So I have a go at it on DH. Enjoy what you do, Teo. That's what it00:25:58 - 00:26:02comes down to us. We really enjoy fixing things, and I'm Mr fix it. I just love00:26:02 - 00:26:05getting in there and getting something sold in solving problems for people. I00:26:05 - 00:26:11love that. So the biggest mistakes. Number one, not having an understanding00:26:11 - 00:26:15of your budget. When you when you embark on these projects, it just just cost00:26:15 - 00:26:24it up. So you understand how much it's going to cost and number two is trying00:26:24 - 00:26:27to do things that are actually out of your depth, and that's a message that we00:26:27 - 00:26:32share a lot on the show is that day. I was great, but there are certain things that00:26:32 - 00:26:37you actually need a qualified trades person. And also, I think, something that00:26:37 - 00:26:43I see when I watch shame, work, a cz his apprentice. But I would quite often00:26:43 - 00:26:47say to him, are We're just, you know, we just need to pop that door on there.00:26:47 - 00:26:50Or I think sometimes people underestimate that, particularly when you're00:26:50 - 00:26:55working with salvage materials. You're starting with something that perhaps00:26:55 - 00:26:59not the correct size to go in that area. It's it's not the correct think nurse. The00:26:59 - 00:27:04hinges air in a different spot. All those sorts of things that you think way have00:27:04 - 00:27:08a bit of a joke amongst ourselves. He always says, Yeah, I'll just put it in. It's00:27:08 - 00:27:16just four screws, darling e like No, it's not, is it? And Weigh replaced a door00:27:16 - 00:27:23for a client recently in her home, and it was a full day's work because we00:27:23 - 00:27:28bought a second hand or for her, and the whole jam had to be modified and00:27:28 - 00:27:32that's fine. That's exactly what we love doing. But I think people sometimes00:27:32 - 00:27:37under Estrada, underestimate how much time and effort is involved in using00:27:37 - 00:27:40salvage materials. Which brings us to mistake number three, which is not00:27:40 - 00:27:47calling. So before we get to our signature questions, let's just tell people how00:27:47 - 00:27:51they can fix mistake number three, which is how would they get in contact00:27:51 - 00:27:56with you so you can jump on? All our socials are at salvage merchants on00:27:56 - 00:28:00Facebook and Instagram, or you can find us on our website salvage merchants00:28:00 - 00:28:03dot com dot you. We're just based in Maadi, Alex. So we're just up the road00:28:03 - 00:28:06from the peninsula and we do a lot of work down this way, and we always00:28:06 - 00:28:11enjoy hopping on Peninsula linked to come down here for the day. So, yeah,00:28:11 - 00:28:15just give us a call. We'd love to chat when love to visit people's homes. We'd00:28:15 - 00:28:19love to see how people live and listen to their ideas and their concepts, and we00:28:19 - 00:28:24just really enjoy working. Their business attracts the most incredible people,00:28:24 - 00:28:29and we're really fortunate in that way really like minded people. So, Richard00:28:29 - 00:28:33Yeah, the results are stunning. Do make sure that you pop on over and cheque00:28:33 - 00:28:39out those socials and the website. All right, signature questions. What is your00:28:39 - 00:28:44favourite? Thiss question was made for you. Thiss question was made for you00:28:44 - 00:28:48. What is your favourite interior design or architectural style from a bygone era00:28:48 - 00:28:56? Well, I'd have to say as owners are very owners are. What's a CZ?00:28:56 - 00:29:02Custodians of 150 year old church would have to say. It's a Victorian era. We00:29:02 - 00:29:07have very fortunate to have a beautiful little church out past Bella Rat that00:29:07 - 00:29:16we're currently renovating to be an Airbnb for people and just that era off. It00:29:16 - 00:29:21was a really tough time in Australia, the gold rush, and we look at our little00:29:21 - 00:29:28church that is five metres high, the roof at the lowest points, five minutes high00:29:28 - 00:29:35, and this was all built by men from ladders with hand tools. And so just I00:29:35 - 00:29:41guess for me it's the appreciation off that the love and the dedication and the00:29:41 - 00:29:46care that went into buildings of that time and they are beautiful and detailed,00:29:46 - 00:29:51and it was done by hand. And that's just incredible to may. So with all that00:29:51 - 00:29:56preserving that it is incredible, isn't it? You know, we need to preserve those00:29:56 - 00:30:01sorts of buildings and that history we cannot lose that it's so important. What00:30:01 - 00:30:08does the phrase dream home mean to you? Oh, he's looking at May E May.00:30:08 - 00:30:13Well, certainly a dream. Hofer may. It's not for walls, and it never has been.00:30:13 - 00:30:19I've lived in beautiful homes. I've lived in plane, home, small homes and my00:30:19 - 00:30:27dream home is the people within a on the people that I cherish. And the items00:30:27 - 00:30:31within that means something to me that have value. Having said that, though,00:30:31 - 00:30:34Joe I have it. I have got a bit of a Pinterest board going because we have a00:30:34 - 00:30:39mutual prince Pinterest, love and Shay and I worked very hard on our Pinterest00:30:39 - 00:30:42board for our dream home property that, you know in the future will look00:30:42 - 00:30:48something like a rambling country estate with workshops being held and00:30:48 - 00:30:52community gatherings. And that's what our plan for our dream home is. But00:30:52 - 00:30:58you know, right now we live in a factory and it's unreal, and it contains00:30:58 - 00:31:04everyone that I love. That's my dream Home contains everyone that I love. I00:31:04 - 00:31:14can't wait to see your rambling one well again. If you want to find any in00:31:14 - 00:31:20Shane, you Khun, go to salvage merchants on Instagram and Facebook or all00:31:20 - 00:31:26the W's salvage merchants dot com dot a. You got that right. Great. Thank00:31:26 - 00:31:31you so much for coming in to the studio that was so informative, super00:31:31 - 00:31:36valuable and really inspiring. Thank you, Joe. It's been a real pleasure to be00:31:36 - 00:31:42here, and we just love being able to get a message out to people. Thanks for00:31:42 - 00:31:46joining us on the Dream home movement. Be sure to come over and say hi on00:31:46 - 00:31:51Facebook and Instagram. I hope that your dream home projects are going well00:31:51 - 00:31:54and I look forward to chatting with you again next week.

Rev.12:1 And a great sign was seen in heaven: a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars; Eph.2:6 and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus: Rom.13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof. Rev.12:2 and she was with child; and she crieth out, travailing in birth, and in pain to be delivered. 3And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his heads seven diadems. 4And his tail draweth the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon standeth before the woman that is about to be delivered, that when she is delivered he may devour her child. 5And she was delivered of a son, a man child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and unto his throne. Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and he that keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give authority over the nations: 27and he shall rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of the potter are broken to shivers; as I also have received of my Father: Rev 3:21 He that overcometh, I will give to him to sit down with me in my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father in his throne. Luke 8:21 But he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these that hear the word of God, and do it. 2Cor.4:16 Wherefore we faint not; but though our outward man is decaying, yet our inward man is renewed day by day. Heb.4:2 For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because it was not united by faith with them that heard. Lk.1:45 And blessed is she that believed; for there shall be a fulfilment of the things which have been spoken to her from the Lord. Lk.1:31 And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. Matthew 13:18-23 18Hear then ye the parable of the sower. 19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the evil one, and snatcheth away that which hath been sown in his heart. This is he that was sown by the way side. 20And he that was sown upon the rocky places, this is he that heareth the word, and straightway with joy receiveth it; 21yet hath he not root in himself, but endureth for a while; and when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, straightway he stumbleth. 22And he that was sown among the thorns, this is he that heareth the word; and the care of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23And he that was sown upon the good ground, this is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; who verily beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. Mat.13:37-38 37And he answered and said, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38and the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; Genesis 1:11-12 11And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. Joh.16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I go, I will send him unto you. Lk.1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God. Joh.16:19 Jesus perceived that they were desirous to ask him, and he said unto them, Do ye inquire among yourselves concerning this, that I said, A little while, and ye behold me not, and again a little while, and ye shall see me? Php.3:10-15 10that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, becoming conformed unto his death; 11if by any means I may attain unto the resurrection from the dead. 12Not that I have already obtained, or am already made perfect: but I press on, if so be that I may lay hold on that for which also I was laid hold on by Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I count not myself yet to have laid hold: but one thing I do, forgetting the things which are behind, and stretching forward to the things which are before, 14I press on toward the goal unto the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15Let us therefore, as many as are perfect, be thus minded: and if in anything ye are otherwise minded, this also shall God reveal unto you: Joh.16:20-22 20Verily, verily, I say unto you, that ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy. 21A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but when she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for the joy that a man is born into the world. 22And ye therefore now have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no one taketh away from you. 2Cor.3:18 But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord the Spirit. Col.1:22-23 22yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and without blemish and unreproveable before him: 23if so be that ye continue in the faith, grounded and stedfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye heard, which was preached in all creation under heaven; whereof I Paul was made a minister. Gal.2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ liveth in me: and that life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith which is in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me. 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we did not preach, or if ye receive a different spirit, which ye did not receive, or a different gospel, which ye did not accept, ye do well to bear with him. Jas.1:23 For if any one is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a mirror: Eph.4:13 till we all attain unto the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a fullgrown man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 2Cor.4:10-11 10always bearing about in the body the dying of Jesus, that the life also of Jesus may be manifested in our body. 11For we who live are always delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus may be manifested in our mortal flesh. Gal.4:19 My little children, of whom I am again in travail until Christ be formed in you 1Cor.12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and severally members thereof. Heb.13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and to-day, yea and for ever. Amos 3:3 Shall two walk together, except they have agreed? 2Jn.1:7 For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the anti-christ. Col.1:27-28 27to whom God was pleased to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28whom we proclaim, admonishing every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ; Col.3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with him be manifested in glory. Phm.1:6 that the fellowship of thy faith may become effectual, in the knowledge of every good thing which is in you, unto Christ. Rom.8:16-17 The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God: 17and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him. Jas.1:21Wherefore putting away all filthiness and overflowing of wickedness, receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. 22But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deluding your own selves. 1Cor.15:1-2 Now I make known unto you brethren, the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye received, wherein also ye stand, 2by which also ye are saved, if ye hold fast the word which I preached unto you, except ye believed in vain. 1Pet.1:22-23,9 22Seeing ye have purified your souls in your obedience to the truth unto unfeigned love of the brethren, love one another from the heart fervently: 23having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which liveth and abideth. 9 receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Rom.8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Isa.3:4-5,12 4And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them. 5And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbor: the child shall behave himself proudly against the old man, and the base against the honorable. 12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they that lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths. Mat.10:6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Rom.8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. Rom.1:3 concerning his Son, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, Heb.5:8-9 8But God commendeth his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him. Rom.8:23 And not only so, but ourselves also, who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for our adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. Rom.4:17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. Gal.3:26 For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus. Galatians 4:1-5 1But I say that so long as the heir is a child, he differeth nothing from a bondservant though he is lord of all; 2but is under guardians and stewards until the day appointed of the father. 3So we also, when we were children, were held in bondage under the rudiments of the world: 4but when the fulness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5that he might redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal.5:4 Ye are severed from Christ, ye who would be justified by the law; ye are fallen away from grace. Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I am again in travail until Christ be formed in you Gal 2:16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Gal 3:6-7 6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. 7Know therefore that they that are of faith, the same are sons of Abraham Gal 4:6-7 6And because ye are sons, God sent forth the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7So that thou art no longer a bondservant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God. Pr.29:21 He that delicately bringeth up his servant from a child Shall have him become a son at the last. 1Jn.2:28 And now, my little children, abide in him; that, if he shall be manifested, we may have boldness, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. 2Cor.4:11 For we who live are always delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus may be manifested in our mortal flesh. (6) Seeing it is God, that said, Light shall shine out of darkness, who shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ 1Jn.3:2 Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is. 1Jn.4:17 Herein is love made perfect with us, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as he is, even so are we in this world. 1Jn.3:3 And every one that hath this hope set on him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. Titus 2:11-15 11For the grace of God hath appeared, bringing salvation to all men, 12instructing us, to the intent that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly and righteously and godly in this present world; 13looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a people for his own possession, zealous of good works. 15These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no man despise thee. 2Tim.4:7-8 have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith: 8henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give to me at that day; and not to me only, but also to all them that have loved his appearing.

Acts 20 (ESV) Paul in Macedonia and Greece 20After the uproar ceased, Paul sent for the disciples, and after encouraging them, he said farewell and departed for Macedonia. 2When he had gone through those regions and had given them much encouragement, he came to Greece. 3There he spent three months, and when a plot was made against him by the Jews as he was about to set sail for Syria, he decided to return through Macedonia. 4Sopater the Berean, son of Pyrrhus, accompanied him; and of the Thessalonians, Aristarchus and Secundus; and Gaius of Derbe, and Timothy; and the Asians, Tychicus and Trophimus. 5These went on ahead and were waiting for us at Troas, 6but we sailed away from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread, and in five days we came to them at Troas, where we stayed for seven days. Eutychus Raised from the Dead 7On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight. 8There were many lamps in the upper room where we were gathered. 9And a young man named Eutychus, sitting at the window, sank into a deep sleep as Paul talked still longer. And being overcome by sleep, he fell down from the third story and was taken up dead. 10But Paul went down and bent over him, and taking him in his arms, said, Do not be alarmed, for his life is in him. 11And when Paul had gone up and had broken bread and eaten, he conversed with them a long while, until daybreak, and so departed. 12And they took the youth away alive, and were not a little comforted. 13But going ahead to the ship, we set sail for Assos, intending to take Paul aboard there, for so he had arranged, intending himself to go by land. 14And when he met us at Assos, we took him on board and went to Mitylene. 15And sailing from there we came the following day opposite Chios; the next day we touched at Samos; and the day after that we went to Miletus. 16For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he might not have to spend time in Asia, for he was hastening to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the day of Pentecost. Paul Speaks to the Ephesian Elders 17Now from Miletus he sent to Ephesus and called the elders of the church to come to him. 18And when they came to him, he said to them: You yourselves know how I lived among you the whole time from the first day that I set foot in Asia, 19serving the Lord with all humility and with tears and with trials that happened to me through the plots of the Jews; 20how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you in public and from house to house, 21testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. 22And now, behold, I am going to Jerusalem, constrained by the Spirit, not knowing what will happen to me there, 23except that the Holy Spirit testifies to me in every city that imprisonment and afflictions await me. 24But I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself, if only I may finish my course and the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God. 25And now, behold, I know that none of you among whom I have gone about proclaiming the kingdom will see my face again. 26Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all, 27for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God. 28Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. 29I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. 31Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish every one with tears. 32And now I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified. 33I coveted no ones silver or gold or apparel. 34You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my necessities and to those who were with me. 35In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, It is more blessed to give than to receive. 36And when he had said these things, he knelt down and prayed with them all. 37And there was much weeping on the part of all; they embraced Paul and kissed him, 38being sorrowful most of all because of the word he had spoken, that they would not see his face again. And they accompanied him to the ship.

Acts 19:2141 (ESV) A Riot at Ephesus 21Now after these events Paul resolved in the Spirit to pass through Macedonia and Achaia and go to Jerusalem, saying, After I have been there, I must also see Rome. 22And having sent into Macedonia two of his helpers, Timothy and Erastus, he himself stayed in Asia for a while. 23About that time there arose no little disturbance concerning the Way. 24For a man named Demetrius, a silversmith, who made silver shrines of Artemis, brought no little business to the craftsmen. 25These he gathered together, with the workmen in similar trades, and said, Men, you know that from this business we have our wealth. 26And you see and hear that not only in Ephesus but in almost all of Asia this Paul has persuaded and turned away a great many people, saying that gods made with hands are not gods. 27And there is danger not only that this trade of ours may come into disrepute but also that the temple of the great goddess Artemis may be counted as nothing, and that she may even be deposed from her magnificence, she whom all Asia and the world worship. 28When they heard this they were enraged and were crying out, Great is Artemis of the Ephesians! 29So the city was filled with the confusion, and they rushed together into the theater, dragging with them Gaius and Aristarchus, Macedonians who were Pauls companions in travel. 30But when Paul wished to go in among the crowd, the disciples would not let him. 31And even some of the Asiarchs, who were friends of his, sent to him and were urging him not to venture into the theater. 32Now some cried out one thing, some another, for the assembly was in confusion, and most of them did not know why they had come together. 33Some of the crowd prompted Alexander, whom the Jews had put forward. And Alexander, motioning with his hand, wanted to make a defense to the crowd. 34But when they recognized that he was a Jew, for about two hours they all cried out with one voice, Great is Artemis of the Ephesians! 35And when the town clerk had quieted the crowd, he said, Men of Ephesus, who is there who does not know that the city of the Ephesians is temple keeper of the great Artemis, and of the sacred stone that fell from the sky? 36Seeing then that these things cannot be denied, you ought to be quiet and do nothing rash. 37For you have brought these men here who are neither sacrilegious nor blasphemers of our goddess. 38If therefore Demetrius and the craftsmen with him have a complaint against anyone, the courts are open, and there are proconsuls. Let them bring charges against one another. 39But if you seek anything further, it shall be settled in the regular assembly. 40For we really are in danger of being charged with rioting today, since there is no cause that we can give to justify this commotion. 41And when he had said these things, he dismissed the assembly.

Psalm 122:1 I was glad when they said to me, “Let us go to the house of the LORD!”PRODUCTION TEAM PICWHY GOING TO CHURCH MATTERSEphesians 5:25 Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.My purpose is tied to the local church.The church is not a place I go to, and it's not an event I attend. It is a spiritual family that I belong to. Acts 2:41-24, 46A church is a group of baptized believers who are joined together in a commitment to help each others fulfill God's purpose for their lives. #1. God’s PresencePsalm 139:7–10 1 Corinthians 3:16 Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? John 14:21He who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him. “Manifest” - to exhibit to view, to come to view, appear, to make known Exodus 25:8 And let them make Me a sanctuary, that I may dwell among them. Exodus 25:22And there I will meet with you, and I will speak with you Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”God shows up where He’s invited.“There will be no manifestation of the presence of Christ without acute desire. God waits to be wanted. Sadly, He often must wait so very long”. - A.W. TozerExodus 33:15 “If Your Presence does not go with us, do not bring us up from here. 16 For how then will it be known that Your people and I have found grace in Your sight, except You go with us?#2. God’s PowerMatthew 18:19 “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”Deuteronomy 32:30 How could one chase a thousand and two put ten thousand a flight. Psalm 92:13 Those who are planted in the house of the Lord Shall flourish in the courts of our God. flourishto blossom to the point of fruit.In God’s presence you experience the power of God’s STRENGTH2 Chronicles 16:9 In God’s presence you experience the power of God’s JOYPsalms 16:11In God’s presence you experience the power of God’s RESTExodus 33:14 In God’s presence you experience the power of God’s WISDOMPsalms 31:19-20 In God’s presence you experience the power of God’s HELPPsalm 40 #3. God’s People1 Corinthians 14:26 Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. I have a picture of s flock of sheep hereMove to the middle! Hebrews 10:24-25 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

In the final episode of Beneath the Subsurface Season One, we're focusing on Well Data Products and the full gamut of subsurface intelligence that can be gleaned from leveraging Well Data with Seismic. Caroline Brignac sits down with Jason Kegel, Ted Mirenda and Katie Fearn for a deep dive into the evolution of well data and how it’s used in today’s workflows.EXPLORE MORE FROM THE EPISODEProduction ForecastingCompletion DataWell Data ProductsInterpretation ProductsWell Production DataGlobal Well DataUS BasinsTABLE OF CONTENTS00:00 - Intro01:42 - Evolution of Well Data Products at TGS03:25 - Production Data & it's Uses07:38 - Production Data and Thesis Work09:09 - Longbow: A Well Performance Visualization Tool with Analytics12:08 - What is Well Performance Data Used For?15:04 - Validated Well Headers & Interpretation20:26 - Well Logs and Production Data for Students, Interns & Early Career22:30 - Historical Production and Well Data24:43 - The Marriage of Seismic and Well Data: Interpretation26:48 - Historical Data and Microfiche?!29:44 - What About Offshore Well Data Products?34:34 - How Much Gulf Of Mexico Data Does TGS Have?39:00 - Seismic or Well Data... Why Not Both?40:20 - Analytics Ready LAS Data (ARLAS)43:49 - Eye Opening Data for Early Career48:48 - TGS Projects & Careers51:37 - Conclusion  EPISODE TRANSCRIPTCaroline:00:12Hello and welcome to Beneath the Subsurface a podcast that explores the intersection of geoscience and technology. This is Caroline Brignac from the well data products group at TGS. In This episode we'll explore our well data products and how they prove to be critical datasets for any exploration and development program. So go ahead and we'll get started with introductions for today's podcast. We've got Jason Kegel with us. Jason why don't you to tell us a little bit about yourself? Jason:00:39Sure. My name's Jason. I work with the geology group here at TGS. I'm a geologist I've been here for six years. I work pretty closely with our well data products and our seismic products. Caroline:00:50Awesome. Thanks Jason. We also have Ted Miranda with us. Ted, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself? Ted:00:55Sure. Thank you. Caroline. Ted Mirenda. So I'm with TGS. Well, data products group. I've been here for 10 years now. A primary task was to bring production data to TGS and commercialize that product. It's been a lot of work and exciting. Caroline:01:12That's awesome. I'm really excited about having Katie with us. She's a production geologists for a super major. Katie, welcome. Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and your experience with TGS. Katie:01:21Thank you, Caroline. I am a recent graduate school graduate and I loved my time at TGS where I got to use Longbow and R360 and then I carried those things that I had learned and into my schoolwork in grad school and it's been awesome. Caroline:01:39So Katie, you started with us as an intern, correct? Katie:01:42Correct. Caroline:01:42That's awesome. Well, we're really excited to have you here and talk a little bit about what your experience with TGS, our products and how you use it in the industry. So one thing that we know a lot about TGS is that it's known as a seismic company. However, TGS offers a wide range of other products such as products in well data. Ted, would you mind telling us a little bit about the well data products division and how it's evolved over time? Ted:02:07Sure. I guess we can step back to 2002 when TGS officially acquired a little company called A2D that gave A2D's the resources to further go out and I believe in acquire Riley's electric log inventory. So that led to the largest commercial well log library. Other resources that TGS provided or enabled was the ability to digitize hard copies and raster logs to LAS. And that library has grown over time where I came into play now 10 years ago after growing the LAS library TGS made the the decision to what's next with well data, well, let's bring in production data. That's when I came into mix. We started building our production data library up. It's been a long challenging project, but it's really paid off. One of the things that critical decision we decided to do was not acquire any production data assets, but build that data from the ground floor up. That meant more work. But in the long run, it's a more valuable product. Caroline:03:25So when you talk about production data, what exactly are you talking about and what does that look like? Ted:03:30Well, we're talking about the full historical production record of every well in the United States. So when you think about different pieces of information that our clients use and need what the well has produced, the reservoir fluids captured from each wellbore is about as important a piece of information as you can have going forward. So we capture that information, really important to tie it to the proper wellbore and a really detailed well header record. There's a lots, a lot of other processes that we do with that as well to then provide the data to our clients. Caroline:04:16So we know that we have, Jason has some experience as well as Katie with this dataset. Would you mind telling us about how you guys use it in your role in the industry? Jason:04:25Sure. So I know at TGS we use the production data quite a bit, looking at our different mapping projects we have. So when we look across the entire, especially United States and look for new areas to shoot on shore seismic, we like to have a really good background information on what companies are actually producing, how much they produced in the past. Can a lot of times tell you where the, where the new plays are and it's always been said that where you found oil before you'll find oil again. And that's been proven over and over again. When we look at the Permian basin, which has been producing since, you know, the 1910, 1920s and today it's one of the biggest basins in the world and we're still finding oil there. So it's nice to really see those historical records of production and where people have gone. On top of that, the Longbow database gives you completion information so you can start really seeing where exactly within the geology has been drilled and how they have done it. So you can get some engineering insight into that as well. Over the years at TGS we've brought all that together to really start looking at new areas where clients want to go and where we can start bringing them seismic. Caroline:05:34So Katie, we knew that you started off as an intern here at TGS a few years ago and we know that you worked with Jason on his team to help sort of guide where we'd go next with our products. What was your experience with the production dataset and Longbow? Katie:05:48So I used the production and information during my project, both at school and at during internship to help me understand the reservoir better so that I could clear up any uncertainties that I was curious about. So for example, I use production data during my time at school to help me understand if there was any reserves left that were not taken out. Ted:06:19Yeah, I know a lot of our clients then use that data to look for bypass opportunities. Another one of the many capabilities of leveraging production data. Jason talked about moving into the completion data side of what we call completion data. Kind of led that evolution. You know, horizontal drilling, unconventional tight reservoirs, fracking, I mean that led to a whole new need for different attributes captured about a well record. So we identify those pretty early on. I had been collecting those and now provide that kind of information to our clients. Not just perf intervals. What is the, what is the producing interval subsurface depth, but the length of the lateral that's being completed and produced correlating production rates, any U R S 2000 foot laterals, another way to really do better well economics and evaluation of assets. So it's, it never ends, you know, the data needs are constantly evolving and changing as industry changes and we follow that path. Jason:07:38So Katie, you said that you use some of our production data with your thesis work, correct. And that was in the, in Louisiana, the Tuscaloosa Marine shale, right? Katie:07:47Yes. Jason:07:47So the Wells and the data that you used there, were they mostly conventional Wells or where we also tried to look at some of the unconventional Wells there too, to define that play that you are looking at. Katie:08:01Right. So I would say the majority, I also focused on the lower Tuscaloosa, which was mostly conventional Wells. Jason:08:09So those Wells, they helped you define that play area and then you had to go deeper and deeper into the log data. Correct. Trying to see exactly what the formation was made up. And you did a sort of a real exploration study of that lower Tuscaloosa Marine shale Longbow helped you kind of understand exactly where the production had become historically and where it might go now and where, where people are drilling currently in the Tuscaloosa Marine shale. Katie:08:39Right. And we also did that with the Austin chalk too. That was another one of our big projects. Jason:08:44Right. And then when you, in the group that was here all from the university of Lafayette worked with us, we also looked up into the Haynesville and looked at some of the smack over units using Longbow quite a bit, looking for trends in conventional plays historically and then seeing where those went unconventionally and if Longbow is the, the main generator of the majority of that data. Caroline:09:09So for those of you listening in who may not be familiar with Longbow is that is our our visualization tool that sits on top of our well performance database. Ted, would you like to add to that? Ted:09:19Yeah, that's right. So you know, production data is a fairly complex data model, right? So you need a tool to search and search your way through that data library, identify Wells that are appropriate to your project assignments so Longbow started out as really as that initial search engine. Hey, you're connecting to almost 5 million Wells, right? In a cloud based database and you're typically going in your assignment, you're going to identify subsets of Wells based on location, geology, formation, operator assets. Hey, examine these assets that are for sale and tell me if it's worth it, right? So Longbow provides that search engine. However, over the, the years and the time, we've incorporated quite a bit of analytics into the search engine. So we're really proud of that. It's if you can think of having a search engine connected to a live database of every well and include analytics, make a bubble in contour map on six month cumulative by zone, you know, all that in one. It saves time. So it's been exciting. We've had great feedback from clients and we are really focused on, Hey, what do our clients want? That's what we put in Jason:10:46When you go. When you talk about analytics Ted, what has been the biggest benefit of forecasting for Longbow? Ted:10:54Well, okay, so that is another good point. Production data being the historical production for the wellbore. Again, the reservoir fluid produced once me and my team, I felt we were comfortable and really good at acquiring that data. I always wanted to move into the forecasting realm as well. So we have added to the, to the product feature every single month. Now every, well all active wells get forecasted to their economic limit, giving our clients quick access to EURs. So from that perspective, I can look at historical data for an example like Katie gave about looking for bypass opportunities. Where did prior operators leave hydrocarbon in the ground with forecasting, I can look at, okay, what's the total proposed value of an asset? How much is that asset going to produce? How much remains that's already there in the, in the analytic tool. So, and again, the different analytic tools include besides mapping, probability graphs, scatter plotting and charts. It's the full gamut. Jason:12:08So we have, Katie who has worked with this data as an intern. I work with this data internally with project development and sales. And then I know that I've gone out with you before and we, we sell this data, we try to give our clients opportunities to use this data. Are our clients, strictly exploration type geologists or engineers or do we have other sort of venues where this data's important in the oil and gas industry? Ted:12:36You know, that's a good point. I mean, our clients cover all those gamuts. You know, one thing, again, with production data, it's a valuable piece of information across an integrated oil company. Enterprise exploration, geologists exploration is of course petroleum engineering department, reservoir engineers that have to forecast production. It's really become a big tool also in the A&D world investment banking A&D world at oil companies, business development. And that's what I like about production data. Everybody finds a use and value out of it, Jason:13:23Right? And it seems everybody wants to know how long that well is going to last and where the next well is next to it. It's going to produce as much that really hard to find that information from anything other than production data. Ted:13:33And what's, you know, what's, what's recently happened and I was looking at right, or like writing a paper on this topic. But you know, right now, most of the think tank forecast for supply, they're all like redoing those and lowering them, you know, the Unconventionals. And we, when we started doing our forecast models, we realized that the horizontal Wells had to be looked at differently. And the decline rates on those, those Wells now are, what would I say, exceeding what we thought they would be. Ted:14:08We had this, you know, unconventional production had made perhaps a real the world with the real comfortable setting of endless oil supply and and you see the think tanks now readjusting those forecasts. So our model changed as well. We're looking at studies and how long Unconventionals are really going to produce and readjusting the EURs. And does that also have quite a bit to do with parent child relationships and how they're stacking Wells within the reservoir? It does, and right now that's what everybody's trying to figure out. That is really challenging looking at spacing, refracking spacing, how does another child affect the, the, the parent well and etc. What is the proper spacing that we try and provide the data to our clients to help them do that? Jason:15:04Right. And in some of those cases you said before with our header products that we have, that really has led to Delineating some of the production data with the validated well header. Can you explain a little bit more about how the validated well header helps understand different laterals and how that traces back to production? Ted:15:25Yeah. Yeah. And that's that's another key point, I think what was attractive to building production data here at TGS? You know, you go out and collect production data and for the most part, I mean, when you're getting public production data, the reality is that data is really coming in at a surface level. I mean, what does the state regulator care about? They just want to know how much did operator produce. So your severance, you're paying severance tax below the surface, they're not so much concerned about which zone is that coming from in which borehole? So here at TGS we have, we can leverage our validated well header dataset, which is our proprietary header where we've gone in, looked at the subsurface and identified missing boreholes. So we are in the process of tying our production data now to that validated header. So really moving production data down to the, to the, what we call the 12 digit API level. And that's really making a difference to our clients. Jason:16:39I know it's helped internally where we've gone used the perforation information. Ted:16:43That's right. Yup. Jason:16:45And actually track the perforations. And I'm not sure if you, you might've done this with this, some in your internship, Katie, where we looked at the perforated intervals on the Wells and then when we are doing our cross sections, we would actually see exactly where the perforations were and see where that oil was coming from. And that helps in a lot of situations in basins where you, you don't know a lot about the basin or you're going somewhere new and you're mapping and we'd see, you know, you'd see the Austin chalk and the Buddha and the Eagleford and you try to wonder, well, where exactly in those formations are they getting the oil from? Without those perforations that we'd got from Longbow, we couldn't truly track that back. We've been doing that more and more with the help from interns when you were here a few years ago and also with our newer interns to, to really try to understand that and then provide that on another level through R360 to start understanding where these Wells are actually producing from, which in some states they don't, they don't provide that information. Ted:17:42That's right. And that that really is a really neat project. I know for me and my team at the, and Ted talking about the production data, leveraging Jason and the geoscientists and the interpretation type work you do on your workstations where we can take our production, our perfs, you guys load it in, match it up with the LAS, correlate that production to the actual producing zone. It takes a while to do that, but we're doing that in projects going across different basins and it's really exciting. Jason:18:15No, it's been, it's been very valuable for us that in some of the test information that Longbow has also has in some states like Oklahoma and Texas, let's say, they don't have produced water for a lot of the production. So the only things that you can look back are some of the actual, that the test data that you have where you can find that water. And then a lot of these areas where you're running analytics on some of these Wells to see when they watered out or how much water they have per volume of oil. That's the only place you can get it. And then when you max that match that back to the perforated interval, you can really start understanding some more about those horizons and how much oil or how much oil you have left, but also how much water you're getting out, which is a huge issue right now with a lot of the unconventionals is water not only how much water you're putting in to stimulate if that's what you're doing, but how much formation water you're actually taking out and that could be a, that could be that the factor in having a well that's a good well or not good at all. Caroline:19:19So I know we've touched on production data and the well performance database that TGS offers, but TGS also offers other data like well logs, various types of well logs our validated well header that Jason just mentioned. Katie, I'm curious about your experience as a student getting data from TGS. Can you tell us a little bit of what that was like and how you use other well data with production data to help solve some of the, the issues you guys were running into? Katie:19:48I'm sure. Well, TGS was really helpful because like Jason said, if Jason and Ted said to the state, you don't have to provide good data to the public. So TGS' well logs, their production data was far superior to anything that I saw. So it definitely helped not just at school cause I use this product at UL but I also got to use it in our projects. So it made the uncertainties that were, we were curious about less uncertain. Right. Cause the subsurface is always uncertain. Caroline:20:26So to follow to build on that, Jason, how do you, how do you work more with well logs and production data together, especially when you're working with a group of young interns like Katie and her, her fellow interns Jason:20:39Well one of the things that we do in our group quite a bit is either look for for new areas or sort of redefine basins that have already had had exploration. So the main thing we do when we do that as we get as many well logs as we possibly can. So that's the, the LAS that we have for those areas. Working for TGS is nice because we have access to quite a bit of data. So we pull all those together and we start just doing cross-sections and fence diagrams and make picking our formation tops so that we have a real good general understanding of the basin. As we're doing that, we're also looking at the production data. So each one of those Wells is either a producer or not a producer or maybe it was just a stratigraphic exploration well. But the reason those Wells exist are to make somebody money. So hopefully they're all producers. Jason:21:32So we learned as much from a dry hole as we do from a hole that's not dry. That's where the production data comes in really handy cause we can see exactly how much oil they got out of that well when it was drilled, when it was plugged and abandoned. Some of the issues that might've gone on with it. So we can understand from looking at just some of the well logs themselves than the caliper per se, to see where you had the whole breakup and see where you might've had engineering issues with that well, where they might have crossed faults that might've caused to loss of production in certain areas. And we can tie that back using production to see exactly how these reservoirs work. And we can track that around better to see where explorationists, might need help delineating new fields or new areas. And that's where the seismic comes in with TGS to where we can try to get the seismic out to help limit some of these problems that were we might be seeing in some of the Wells. Caroline:22:30Out of curiosity I know that we offer a long range of historic production data. Recently we just acquired a company called Lasser that goes back far beyond the 1970s. As a geologist, would you say that having a larger dataset going back further in time is more beneficial for you to help solve problems? Jason:22:54Absolutely. So the one thing we've always ran into is not enough data, right? We always want more data. We want to see the complete picture of the entire basin. So having that data that goes farther back in time, that historic production data really helps because we have a lot of those well logs that are sort of historic historics our well logs and our Las don't stop at 1970 or earlier. The production data depending on state isn't necessarily at a strict cutoff of 1970 but that historic data really helps with that production to really start understanding how those wells were drilled. And like I said before exactly what was it producer and what wasn't producer and if it was producing, how long did it produce for? There's been lots of of technology advances that have really increased how much oil you can get out of the ground or gas you can get of the ground. Jason:23:45That's on a purely engineering basis and you can start to see that in the production data, but you can really start seeing that in some of the LAS data when you start looking at the curves and understanding some of the petrophysics behind the Wells. And not only that, you start understanding the basin. So when you look at some of these really old wells, a lot of them are really shallow just to sort of understand that's as far as they could drill to. That's where the technological limit was. But depending on the basin, some, some people in the forties and 50s had drilled all the way to basement. You really want those type of data points when you're understanding the entire basin. The deeper you understand the basin, the more history you can put into it. The more basin modeling you can do. If you can understand the basin from initial infill to present day and the erosion intervals that have been between there. We see that quite a bit in our base in temperature models, which is one of the products that we do that builds off of our LAS data. Caroline:24:43What other tools, interpretation tools do you use internally that TGS helps provide or provides to our clients? Jason:24:49Well firstly I mentioned the basin temperature models. That's one that we, we helped build and we provide to clients and that's a product where we look at the entire basin. We pick the tops in it from 2000 to 3000 Wells from the LAS. And then we do basin temperature modeling on that entire basin with grids and horizons, start understanding the the basin from completed from basement all the way up to the top and understanding the infill. We also provide other products, sort of worldwide called our facies map browser. And this is mainly offshore, but this is looking at sequence stratigraphy within offshore basins. Jason:25:29This one we also use well data and seismic data where we can and integrate the two of them to, to have a real good understanding and picture of the basin. So the geologists that use this data can jump right in to the basin and have a real good working knowledge of what's going on there. One thing in the industry, I've been in this industry for eight years now and I've seen lots of mergers and you know, lots of layoffs unfortunately with people, but groups shrink and grow all the time. And when they grow, people need to jump into new basins they've never been. So one thing that we provide with some of our well data products like the facies map browser and the basin temperature models easily help people easily get acclimated with basins they may have never worked. It's a, it's a real quick and easy way to understand the stratigraphy and understand some, some components of the basin you might not have thought about before. Jason:26:25Then we've been moving on with the basin temperature model is that the background into TOC models. So actually looking at total organic carbon within the same basin using the background of our basin temperature model and then working with core labs to really understand some of our vitrinite reflectance and core data points. So that's the new thing we're doing particularly in the Permian basin. Ted:26:48And I want to add another point on Lasser that Lasser acquisition, which was a, again, exciting for our team. Jason talked about the need for historical data. Sure. acquiring that data set. Now, the only way you could really replicate that public data is if you went to physically went to the individual railroad commission, district offices and loaded up a bunch of microfiche. So that data's digital. We've got it now. What's really neat is we're running it through our modern QA and QC processes. So adding data production volumes in Texas all the way back to the 30s, and then taking further, taking the lease level production data and allocating it to a well level. Nobody in industry is doing that right now from nobody from a vendor perspective. So that project that's ongoing and will be completed before the end of the year. Having historical production back to the 30s allocated to the well level, excited about that and proud of our team to get that done. Caroline:27:55Not to ask a silly question, but what is microfiche is that what you said? Ted:28:01I said microfiche, yeah. Jason:28:01You don't remember Microfiche? (Laughter) Caroline:28:02You're talking to a millennial. Jason:28:04I feel so old. Ted:28:06The point there is the data is not digital, it's manual, it's on microfilm. Microfiche it's lots and lots of hours of labor to recapture that data in database format. And now that we've got it, it's going to be real exciting. Jason:28:27My experience with microfiche was always in elementary school going to the library. So at the library they always had stacks of microfiche that had historical newspapers from the past and you can still find them and they're really, they're almost like little slides like you remember, do you remember what slides looked like? (Laughter) No, it's done. That's true. It's already 2020. [inaudible] There was a special microfiche reader to see them. And you flip through each one of them. But that's how they always documented historical papers. So we'd go back and have to do research projects and you'd have to go find your little microfiche from the library. And when you looked it up, you would slide through and it was like a little projector screen that read the fiche from like the little, little tiny film and scrolled through the little film. So it is almost like a negative Ted:29:17It's a picture of a document. So I'm not the only millennial in the room. So Katie, I'm gonna make a safe assumption that you did not know what that was? Katie:29:23Nope, no, I had no idea what that was, but I have seen it in movies. So thank you for that visual like connected the two for sure. Ted:29:31That's right. But that, that tells you how you know how- Caroline:29:37How hard to find it, how hard to find that data is. Ted:29:39That's right. There weren't computerized records back then, but we still need the data Caroline:29:44Absolutely. Katie:29:44So you've talked a lot about onshore, so do you offer the same kinds of products offshore as well or what do you, how does it go from onshore to offshore? Jason:29:58That's a good question, actually, because with TGS and with the amount of data that we have onshore as really dense area of log data per se, so we can do areas like the Permian, the Eagleford or the DJ basin and fill them in with 5,000 Wells and pick tops and all 5,000 of those Wells. And they all have temperature points. So we can do our base in temperature models there. Offshore, it gets a little bit more difficult because there are, the data's not so close together and offshore particularly say in the Gulf of Mexico, the geology gets a little more tricky, particularly with basin temperature models because you start dealing with more salt. You start dealing with just having the water to sediment differences that you'll- we understand pretty well, but the more well data you have, the more we can make those interpretive products. Jason:30:55So we have, sort of, different products offshore and like I mentioned before, we have the facies map browser is almost exclusively offshore because we can do that along mainly 2D lines, so long 2D lines that go over large areas and are- usually have a few wells connected to them in exploration areas. So the newest one of those is what we're trying to start now in Mexico and the Mexican side of the Gulf of Mexico where a few years ago we shot a really large 185,000 kilometer 2D survey called Gigante. So we interpreted that whole survey and we shot gravity and magnetics over it. So we actually have a gravity and magnetics model that we've built on that area that helps a lot in exploration, but we've also interpreted all the seismic to pick certain horizons. We would like to go a few steps further and actually understand your stratigraphic facies and your sequence stratigraphy that's in there. Jason:31:56And that's what we're, we're trying to do now with the Mexican side of the Gulf of Mexico. And it's a little bit easier there because there's less wells there and a lot of the operators that are moving in there since they opened up Mexico aren't there. So they don't have as big a knowledge base as they do in the U S Gulf of Mexico. And that big large knowledge base in the U S Gulf of Mexico from the operators that have been there for 40 or 50 years has really limited multi-client type interpretation studies. Because say the Exxons or the Shells or the Chevrons have been in these basins for so long, especially the Gulf of Mexico that they have the working knowledge of those basins and they train their employees on that pretty easily. So they don't necessarily need an outside company like TGS to sort of give them the boost or the the heads up or the, the first step to get into a basin. Jason:32:53Whereas in other basins around the world where we have facies, map browsers, we've had them for a while, we have new companies coming in and going more often. So they sort of like having that extra layer of knowledge that we can offer on shore. In the Gulf of Mexico though we did do a post-well analysis, which is just looking at specific wells and I think we have a little over a hundred now and they're either dry holes or or discoveries and they sort of show the stratigraphy they show why it was a dry hole or why was it a discovery. We match that up with seismic and certain areas so you can see the structures that were being drilled at the time. So we do have that. And then in the Mexico side of Mexico and the Gulf of Mexico, we have production data on both sides now. Jason:33:41So we actually have the contract with the Mexican government to provide not only the seismic but the well log data in Mexico, but also the production data in Mexico. On the U.S. Gulf, we have the contract to deliver log data. So companies that drill in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico, they actually send their log data to TGS. We hold it for the 26 month timeframe. And then we clean that data up. We provide our LAS plus package. We provide that back to the BOEM or BSCE, the government entity that sort of controls the Gulf of Mexico. And then we also provide that to any other company that would like to purchase it. So we're the - TGS is actually, we've had that contract for a little over 10 years now and we've just renewed it this year. Katie:34:34So like how much coverage do you have in the Gulf of Mexico? Data-Wise. Jason:34:38Data-wise? So all of it really. So with the, with the recent acquisition of spectrum, we now have 2D coverage that extends all the way from Florida to the Rio Grande Valley really. So we have 2D coverage that covers, there are, TGS is a seismic company. Our core seismic area has always sort of been 3D seismic anyway, has always sort of been the Mississippi Canyon, DeSoto Canyon, Atwater Valley area. We have lots of 3D seismic. We're currently shooting seismic there. We'll just finished up some new nodal surveys there and doing reprocessing. But we have 2D and 3D coverage across the whole area and well data we have all of it. We have every well that's ever been drilled in the Gulf of Mexico. Ted:35:27On the production data song for Gulf of Mexico. The data's really, really nice from that perspective. I mean every well is reported oil, gas and water, monthly production. Well tests are extensive in the Gulf of Mexico. Perhaps the federal government does a better job of reporting well test data, making sure operators are testing those Wells annually and semiannually and getting that data out to public. So you also get access to certain pressure data in there, you know, flowing tubing pressure, bottomhole pressure, et cetera. So that data sets we like working with that. And now on the Mexico side, you know, we've got full coverage of Mexico petroleum industry. There's about 21,000 Wells with production in Mexico. About 1100 of those are offshore and we have captured and calculated monthly production for all of those Wells. So that was a fun project. Learning to translate certain wellheader attributes from Spanish to English that was fun to do. Converting units of measurement down there from a, you know, average daily rates to total monthly production. Bottom line is that data's now standardized in our library monthly oil and barrels in Mexico, monthly gas and MCF water in barrels. And,looking at the data, there are world-class wells in Mexico, so I think the continued release of data from Mexico. Hopefully we'll stay on track there with the, the government releasing data. Like I said, there's there's been some really gigantic flow rates down there, particularly offshore and no reason to think there's not great opportunity there. Seismic Katie:37:36Where's your seismic that you just shot in Mexico. Where does the location lies? Jason:37:40So the, the 2D seismic that's there, the original Gigante is all offshore and covers the entire Mexican Gulf of Mexico 2D. So it covers everything and it even goes sort of around the horn of the Yucatan near Belize. So it covers everything sort of almost into the Caribbean. We've also been doing looking at reprocessing efforts to extend some of our, to extend the seismic onshore to offshore and the Sureste and Tampico areas. And then we're also looking at 3D programs as well. Katie:38:15Very nice. Jason:38:16So there's quite a bit there. And that's not the only place that we have seismic or well log data. So TGS is actually always, I always try to remind me, we have well log data worldwide. So we have data. Do you know Russia and Africa and Australia and Malaysia all over Europe. And all over South America as well. And seismic too. I sort of focus on Western hemisphere so I know a little bit more about that part, but that's still quite a quite a large area sometime. And we're we're, we're looking at wells and seismic all across, both North and South American. Ted:38:53Don't forget Canada. Jason:38:55And Canada too, we have quite a bit of seismic in Canada as well. Caroline:39:00Nice. So one question I have for the table, we know that as TGS is predominantly a seismic company, but we also offer well data. How does that, how does that really help our clients when we offer two very different and unique datasets together? Jason:39:19I think the biggest part of that is making a complete geologic picture for explorationists. So you need the seismic to really sort of understand areas where we don't have well data and that well data really helps the seismic become better. One of the good examples of that is in some of our reprocessing efforts we're doing offshore, we're incorporating as much well data as we can, particularly Sonic data so that we can really understand the velocity models. And really make sure that we can tie those velocity models when they come out and with our seismic comes out in depth that our wells tie perfectly with them. The more well data we have, the better our seismic is going to be at the end of the day. We've always tied a few Wells that we can here and there, but since TGS has so much well data, it's a real benefit to our clients to be able to use that in the seismic processing and in reprocessing as more wells come out. Caroline:40:20So I'm just curious, you know, we are now offering a new product in the well data group. That's our analytics ready LAS that basically allows us to offer even more data. How do you feel about the machine learning algorithms that we're using in forecasting or with well logs? How do you feel about using that as geologists, Katie and Jason? Jason:40:42So one of the things that we've noticed quite a bit with this is you get a really nice big picture and particularly with analytics ready, we like to call it just ARLAS AR-LAS is that that big picture of that first presentation you can get, particularly when it comes to velocity models in Sonic where you don't have seismic. So one of the great images, and I don't know if I can explain this well through through radio, but one of the great images that you can have is with regular well data you have lots of lots of holes. So we didn't drill every place we could and then every place we drilled through time, we didn't do every log we could do. So a lot of the well logs that we have, particularly on onshore might have one or two curves. They might have a resistivity and a gamma ray or some of the older ones just might have an SP curve. Jason:41:32What can start doing with AR or the analytic ready Las is incorporate sort of Sonics into all of those logs and start understanding where we have those deviations in Sonic across the whole area where it hasn't been drilled. So from a big picture, it really helps you understand how that would tie together where you might want to drill next or what might, what interesting features you wouldn't see where a well isn't drilled without having seismic. And if you have seismic then you can tie them both together as well to kind of have a better understanding of of your depth processing. Ted:42:13And I might add onto that AI question back on the production forecasting a challenge. So we're offering both methodologies now of course we have our, you know, our traditional hyperbolic curve fit type forecasting algorithms that work well and offering the physics based you know, probabilistic spread forecasting new. Your question is how do we think about that? It's like, how does the industry think about that? I know everybody's talking about it. Everyone's trying to figure it out. To me, getting a million forecast in a couple of seconds is impressive. Right? And getting that full spread on each, well a P 10 through a P 99 forecast right at your fingertips. It's powerful stuff. Caroline:43:07Yeah. I'd be really curious to see where machine learning and artificial intelligence takes TGS in the future with other types of derivative products that we end up discovering and producing and really making sure that we're getting these to the industry to reduce cycle time. So I think that's pretty cool. Jason:43:22Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I think we're, we're already moving in that direction with filling in log curves and in the seismic side trying to understand different seismic bodies. So using machine learning and AI to serve as a tool to understand where salt is in a quicker, more timely fashion or to even start understanding easier ways to define horizons or define some amplitude attributes as well. Jason:43:49[To Katie] So you've seen our data and played with our data and hopefully in the future is you're, you know, experiencing your geology career, you'll get to use it much more. Ted:44:01I think she's just scratched the surface with our data, right. I know all that data. Jason:44:06You had the unique opportunity to use it to come into our -come into the company and see what it was like to have that much data at your fingertips. Can you tell us a little bit about how, what that was like and how, how that's different from then to school to now that you're, you're in the industry. Katie:44:24So I came into TGS knowing nothing, well, not knowing nothing, but you know, minimal. You think you, every time you start somewhere you like think you know something, but you really don't, which I've learned again third time. Ted:44:37Right? Katie:44:37So at TGS, I wouldn't say it was just, I learned how to work with all this data, which was overwhelming at first. It was like I learned how to, I don't know, act, not just like socially in an office, right? But I also learned like what's important, what's not important. It's easy to get bogged down in the details when you go from zero to 100 real quick. Caroline:45:03So you've really had a unique perspective. Especially compared to a lot of us at TGS, you started off in an internship with us getting into the data and learning the data, applying the data. Right. And then I believe maybe you've even used it in your thesis. Katie:45:20Right. Caroline:45:20And now that you're in the industry, what has that looked like for you? Ted:45:26How about, how about how do you access data being an industry now? Katie:45:31When I've looked at data, it tells me, it makes me feel comfortable. It clears up uncertainties.. It's not telling me what's going on, but at least I'd like have more of a general idea. So when I look at these large amounts of data that I get for a project, let's say like I did in grad school, it's okay, I have this data. What does the data tell me? Does it tell me if it's pinching out? Does it tell me if it's, you know, this big chunk or maybe the depositional environment. That's what I looked at a lot in well logs the petrophysics. Jason:46:08No, it's understandable. You get thrown a lot of data in these situations and it's how you put that together, how you can efficiently use it. And that's something that we're always trying to make easier for people. It helps in a lot of situations, particularly in, in super major type of companies or in a lot of different companies, even smaller companies that they have geo techs that efficiently use our data before they give it to you. Right? So a lot of times you never, you'll never get to see the first part of, you know, where did this data come from because it all just ends up on your desktop. Right? Katie:46:42Right. So like I, what I liked about my experience I guess at TGS is I saw the beginnings, right? What a geotech would put it in. So I like got to see that visual fresh or put my own spin on it when we were using Longbow. So making those bubble plots or looking at URs and decline curves. I don't have, I don't, I haven't gotten that experience yet, but I'm a Guppy. Caroline:47:10So it was like you were getting access to data sets such as the, you know, the EURs and the forecasting database that you probably didn't necessarily have access to while you were working on your masters. Katie:47:21Right. And didn't know about until it came to TGS. Ted:47:26And the ability to build that project from scratch. I imagine a lot of times now in industry, you walk in and sit down and there are gigantic projects already existing and workflows established as opposed to like starting at the beginning. Katie:47:46Right. Which is overwhelming. Like I remember Jason was like, Hey, y'all are going to map from Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas. That was very overwhelming. Now I just, you know, you get a project and it, someone's already, most of the time, I don't know picked through it. So you don't, it's not very fresh. Jason:48:09But now you're not afraid of the deep end of the pool. Katie:48:10I don't know about that... Jason:48:10Right. We threw you right in the deep end and I, you can swim. You're ready to go. Katie:48:18Oh no. I'm still learning. Jason:48:18Well that's good. Never wanna stop learning. Ted:48:22We're all still learning. Katie:48:22Right. But I'm really still learning. As a new worker bee. Jason:48:30So Katie, is there anything we haven't seen you in a little while? I know that you're, you're in Louisiana now. Is there anything that you want to ask us that you're interested in from a, from your perspective after you've graduated and are now moving onto bigger and better things that might help you in the future? Katie:48:48Maybe not something that would- maybe wouldn't help me in the future, but also help other people that are looking for jobs. Is, are y'all looking for employment? Like looking to employ anyone or what does that look like? It sounds like you're doing a lot of work. So do you have people to fill these positions or are you, how does that go for y'all? Do you even know? Jason:49:10Well, that's one of those great HR questions where, you know, we're always, we're always just busy enough to need new people. (Laughter) Caroline:49:20And I think with, you know, new departments that were growing especially new datasets like Ted is talking about Mexico and Canada, I feel like it really helps to position us to grow, you know, as a company as a whole. So opportunities are always always coming up. Yeah. Jason:49:36I know particularly with our internship program, we're always looking for, you know, young, exciting new talent that can, that can come in and help us out. But also like you did learn about data from sort of the bottom up and take that knowledge base to other companies. So we don't only like training people to come and stay with us or we're perfectly happy bringing in interns and having them go out in the world and and learn something from us that they can bring somewhere else. Katie:50:06Oh sorry. I would say that that's why I like had not, I think that working at TGS was nice for others to see cause they knew that I had experience I guess with production data, which is a cool talking point I think. Caroline:50:22And just to build off of that, Ted has done a really great job building this new initiative, which is getting our well performance data in the universities to work with people like you, Katie, while you were getting your masters to make sure that we're able to provide data to other other programs and get geologists or young geologists access to data sets that they wouldn't have or wouldn't be familiar with whenever they're entering the workforce. Ted:50:48That's right. So, you know, we're happy to donate donate our products, donate production data and Longbow to the universities. As you know, at ULL they brought it into the geoscience and engineering groups. And now we're sitting on the, what the 20 workstations in the lab and part of the curriculum. So it's exciting at the same time, giving the students access to these data products learning actual, you know, working product tools. When they do get hired and hit the, hit the workforce, they're ahead of the game and ready to go. Now, from my selfish perspective, it helps to get feedback and make the products better. So it's a win win for both. Caroline:51:37Well, thanks everyone for coming out today and having this conversation, you know, hanging out, covering a lot of really awesome topics, kind of, you know, exploring where TGS is headed next, where we've been, where we're going. Katie, you know, especially thanks to you for coming all the way from New Orleans to sit with us and kind of give us your insight and your opinions and let us know how it's, how the journey has been for you. So thanks, Jason. Thanks Ted looking forward to the next, the next episode. Katie:52:01Thank you for having me. Jason:52:03Yeah, thanks Katie, it's been great Ted:52:04Thank you.

Ephesians 2:1-22And although you were dead in your offenses and sins, in which you formerly lived according to this world’s present path, according to the ruler of the domain of the air, the ruler of the spirit that is now energizing the sons of disobedience, among whom all of us also formerly lived out our lives in the cravings of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath even as the rest…But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, even though we were dead in offenses, made us alive together with Christ – by grace you are saved! – and he raised us up together with him and seated us together with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, to demonstrate in the coming ages the surpassing wealth of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast. For we are his creative work, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we can do them.Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh – who are called “uncircumcision” by the so-called “circumcision” that is performed on the body by human hands – that you were at that time without the Messiah, alienated from the citizenship of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who used to be far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, the one who made both groups into one and who destroyed the middle wall of partition, the hostility, when he nullified in his flesh the law of commandments in decrees. He did this to create in himself one new man out of two, thus making peace, and to reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by which the hostility has been killed. And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near, so that through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer foreigners and noncitizens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household, because you have been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone. In him the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

You Are a Child in God's Family – March 24, 2019 – Steve MillerWhen I was a teenager, every time my brothers or I would leave the house to go out somewhere, my mom would send us off with this directive: “Remember whose you are!” This truth, if I believed it and kept it in mind, would have a big impact on my confidence and the choices that I made.Galatians 3:23 – 4:726So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.4But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship. 6Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.” 7So you are no longer a slave, but God's child; and since you are his child, God has made you also an heir. We should not be afraid, for God is with us. For we are His children, and He is our good Father. We should not take lightly what that means for us. We are sons and daughters in the same family in which Jesus is a Son. We are beloved by the Father and co-heirs with Christ. We have been made new and given entrance into the family of God.Romans 8:14-17, 28-3014For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 15The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” 16The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. 17Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.Again it says that we are heirs of God, and co-heirs with Christ. The concept reminds me of the cartoon character Little Orphan Annie, who was adopted by the wealthy and powerful industrialist Daddy Warbucks. Imagine the ways that this new relationship impacted her life, and what protection, care, influence, and resources she became heir to, not just what she would own after he died, but even more with him looking after her as a father.Now think about the grace that Jesus walked in as He lived His life as a man on earth. Although He is God, He laid aside His heavenly glory and lived as a true man filled with the Holy Spirit. So we now, as God's children filled with the same Holy Spirit, have access to the same grace, power, and resources to live God-pleasing lives and bring the influence of the Kingdom to the world around us! Are we mindful of this?Romans 8:28-3028And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. 29For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. We are members of a household, God's household. We are being built together into a house, God's dwelling. We're like the Brady Bunch, only better and not dressed in plaid bell-bottoms. Ephesians 2:19-2219Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God's people and also members of his household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit. I think about how our family has grown from our marriage until now. With hope, prayer, and training of our children, I look forward to what we will be in the future. In the same way, we are growing and maturing and adding to God's family. In Christ the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.1 John 3:1-31See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 3All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure. Now we must remain in His love, remembering who we are and Whose we are. He will never leave us, neglect us, or abandon us. He will not abuse us, for He is a good Father, and we are His true children by faith. Our Father has loved us, and we must love our brothers and sisters in His family. Because we are His, that is who we are.John 15:9-129“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love. 11I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. We live under grace, and not through our performance. Yes, God wants us to please Him, but He provides the grace and love that empowers us to do that. God loves His children! He provides for us and trains us so that we will mature, growing to be like Jesus. He wants us to put our trust and hope in Him, for He has promised to be good to us. All this He has accomplished at the cross.

Luke 4:16–30    16[Jesus] came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read. 17And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written, 18“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,    because he has anointed me       to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives    and recovering of sight to the blind,       to set at liberty those who are oppressed, 19to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” 20And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. 21And he began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.” 22And all spoke well of him and marveled at the gracious words that were coming from his mouth. And they said, “Is not this Joseph’s son?” 23And he said to them, “Doubtless you will quote to me this proverb, ‘Physician, heal yourself.’ What we have heard you did at Capernaum, do here in your hometown as well.” 24And he said, “Truly, I say to you, no prophet is acceptable in his hometown. 25But in truth, I tell you, there were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heavens were shut up three years and six months, and a great famine came over all the land, 26and Elijah was sent to none of them but only to Zarephath, in the land of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow. 27And there were many lepers in Israel in the time of the prophet Elisha, and none of them was cleansed, but only Naaman the Syrian.” 28When they heard these things, all in the synagogue were filled with wrath. 29And they rose up and drove him out of the town and brought him to the brow of the hill on which their town was built, so that they could throw him down the cliff. 30But passing through their midst, he went away.

The Authority of Jesus Christ of Nazareth How best to reveal and apply authority? Authority + Revelation = Confrontation Intimations/harbingers of what is to come: Luke 2 40And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. Luke 2 46And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. Luke 2 52And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. More than an office: Luke 4 20And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. 22And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son? …. 24And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country. …and there went out a fame of Him … Luke 4:14 …and the fame of Him went out…Luke 4:36 …went there a fame abroad of Him…Luke 5:15 Luke 4 28And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, 29And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong. 30But he passing through the midst of them went his way, 31And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days. 32And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power. Luke 5 9For he (Simon Peter) was astonished, and all that were with him, at the draught of the fishes which they had taken: 10And so was also James, and John, the sons of Zebedee, which were partners with Simon. And Jesus said unto Simon, Fear not; from henceforth thou shalt catch men. 11And when they had brought their ships to land, they forsook all, and followed him. Luke 5 20And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee. 24But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins (he said unto the sick of the palsy) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house. 25And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God. 26And they were all amazed, and they glorified God, and were filled with fear, saying, We have seen strange things to day. Luke 5 31And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. 32I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. More than a matter of Ability:John 5:36 But the testimony which I have is greater than the testimony of John; for the works which the Father has given Me to accomplish — the very works that I do — testify about Me, that the Father has sent Me. More than a matter of Endorsement: John 14:24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me. Proverbs 14:12 and 16:25 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Luke 19:10 For the Son of Man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Mark 9:14–29     14When they came to the disciples, they saw a great crowd around them, and scribes arguing with them. 15And immediately all the crowd, when they saw him, were greatly  amazed and ran up to [Jesus] and greeted him. 16And he asked them, “What are you arguing about with them?” 17And someone from the crowd answered him, “Teacher, I brought my son to you, for he has a spirit that makes him mute. 18And whenever it seizes him, it throws him down, and he foams and grinds his teeth and becomes rigid. So I asked your disciples to cast it out, and they were not able.” 19And he answered them, “O faithless generation, how long am I to be with you? How long am I to bear with you? Bring him to me.” 20And they brought the boy to him. And when the spirit saw him, immediately it convulsed the boy, and he fell on the ground and rolled about, foaming at the mouth. 21And Jesus asked his father, “How long has this been happening to him?” And he said, “From childhood. 22And it has often cast him into fire and into water, to destroy him. But if you can do anything, have compassion on us and help us.” 23And Jesus said to him, “If you can! All things are possible for one who believes.” 24Immediately the father of the child cried out and said, “I believe; help my unbelief!” 25And when Jesus saw that a crowd came running together, he rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, “You mute and deaf spirit, I command you, come out of him and never enter him again.” 26And after crying out and convulsing him terribly, it came out, and the boy was like a corpse, so that most of them said, “He is dead.” 27But Jesus took him by the hand and lifted him up, and he arose. 28And when he had entered the house, his disciples asked him privately, “Why could we not cast it out?” 29And he said to them, “This kind cannot be driven out by anything but prayer.”

Acts 4:1-22And as they were speaking to the people, the priests and the captain of the temple and the Sadducees came upon them, 2 greatly annoyed because they were teaching the people and proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection from the dead. 3 And they arrested them and put them in custody until the next day, for it was already evening. 4 But many of those who had heard the word believed, and the number of the men came to about five thousand.5 On the next day their rulers and elders and scribes gathered together in Jerusalem, 6 with Annas the high priest and Caiaphas and John and Alexander, and all who were of the high-priestly family. 7 And when they had set them in the midst, they inquired, “By what power or by what name did you do this?” 8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders, 9 if we are being examined today concerning a good deed done to a crippled man, by what means this man has been healed, 10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well. 11 This Jesusis the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were astonished. And they recognized that they had been with Jesus. 14 But seeing the man who was healed standing beside them, they had nothing to say in opposition. 15 But when they had commanded them to leave the council, they conferred with one another, 16 saying, “What shall we do with these men? For that a notable sign has been performed through them is evident to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and we cannot deny it. 17 But in order that it may spread no further among the people, let us warn them to speak no more to anyone in this name.” 18 So they called them and charged them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. 19 But Peter and John answered them, “Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you rather than to God, you must judge,20 for we cannot but speak of what we have seen and heard.” 21 And when they had further threatened them, they let them go, finding no way to punish them, because of the people, for all were praising God for what had happened. 22 For the man on whom this sign of healing was performed was more than forty years old.

Luke 17:20-37: "20Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, "The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, 21nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you." 22And he said to the disciples, "The days are coming when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23And they will say to you, 'Look, there!' or 'Look, here!' Do not go out or follow them. 24For as the lightning flashes and lights up the sky from one side to the other, so will the Son of Man be in his day. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, 29but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— 30so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed. 31On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back. 32Remember Lot's wife. 33Whoever seeks to preserve his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will keep it. 34I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left. 35There will be two women grinding together. One will be taken and the other left." 37And they said to him, "Where, Lord?" He said to them, "Where the corpse is, there the vultures will gather."

*We apologize for the sound quality on this recording.* This is the 16th class on the book of Hebrews. This Bible class was taught at the Pilot Point Church in Pilot Point Texas. The following is the outline of the class. Christ the Mediator of a New Covenant The old covenant was inadequate and faulty, the new covenant is complete will never age The old covenant was inadequate because of its nature/law of works. The old covenant was inadequate because of its national/civil function and administration. The old covenant was faulty because its membership did not know God – had to be taught about God. The old covenant was faulty because once you sinned God could not make you right with that covenant. The old covenant was faulty because it was not designed to last forever. The Place of Jesus Ministry Hebrews chapter 9 9 Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary. 2A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand and the table with its consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place. 3Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place, 4which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered Ark of the Covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron’s staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant. 5Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing the atonement cover. But we cannot discuss these things in detail now. 1 Kings 6 (NIV) 14So Solomon built the temple and completed it. 15He lined its interior walls with cedar boards, paneling them from the floor of the temple to the ceiling, and covered the floor of the temple with planks of juniper.16He partitioned off twenty cubits at the rear of the temple with cedar boards from floor to ceiling to form within the temple an inner sanctuary, the Most Holy Place. 17The main hall in front of this room was forty cubits[i] long. 18The inside of the temple was cedar, carved with gourds and open flowers. Everything was cedar; no stone was to be seen. 19He prepared the inner sanctuary within the temple to set the ark of the covenant of the LORD there. 20The inner sanctuary was twenty cubits long, twenty wide and twenty high. He overlaid the inside with pure gold, and he also overlaid the altar of cedar. 21Solomon covered the inside of the temple with pure gold, and he extended gold chains across the front of the inner sanctuary, which was overlaid with gold. 22So he overlaid the whole interior with gold. He also overlaid with gold the altar that belonged to the inner sanctuary. Leviticus 16 11“Aaron shall bring the bull for his own sin offering to make atonement for himself and his household, and he is to slaughter the bull for his own sin offering. 12He is to take a censer full of burning coals from the altar before the LORD and two handfuls of finely ground fragrant incense and take them behind the curtain. 13He is to put the incense on the fire before the LORD, and the smoke of the incense will conceal the atonement cover above the tablets of the covenant law, so that he will not die. 14He is to take some of the bull’s blood and with his finger sprinkle it on the front of the atonement cover; then he shall sprinkle some of it with his finger seven times before the atonement cover. Hebrews 9 (NIV) 6 When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. • 7But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. • 8The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functioning. • 9This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. • 10They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order Matthew 27 45From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. 46About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[c] lema sabachthani?” (Which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).[d] 47When some of those standing there heard this, they said, “He’s calling Elijah.” 48Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. 49The rest said, “Now leave him alone. Let’s see if Elijah comes to save him.” 50And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. 51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split Hebrews 9 (NIV) 10They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order 11But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here,he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. The Son’s Sacrifice is Superior to the O.T. Sacrifice Hebrews chapter 9:12-10:18 Hebrews 9 (NIV) 11But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here,[a] he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption. 9This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. Hebrews 9 (NIV) 13The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God! 15For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more. Hebrews 9 16In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. (NIV) 16For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it. 17For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives. • (NASB) Hebrews 9 (NASB) 18Therefore even the first covenant was not inaugurated without blood. • 19For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20saying, “THIS IS THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WHICH GOD COMMANDED YOU.” 21And in the same way he sprinkled both the [v]tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood. 22And according to the [w]Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness. Matthew 26 (NASB) 27And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; 28for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins. Hebrews 9 23Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; Subscribe to the podcast: {Apple Podcasts}{Stitcher}{Google Play}{IHeartRadio}

DOUBT YOUR ENEMY! Gideon’s Battle Judges 6:11-16 (NASB) 11Then the angel of the LORD came and sat under the oak that was in Ophrah, which belonged to Joash the Abiezrite as his son Gideon was beating out wheat in the wine press in order to save it from the Midianites. 12And the angel of the LORD appeared to him and said to him, “The LORD is with you, O valiant warrior.” 13Then Gideon said to him, “O my lord, if the LORD is with us, why then has all this happened to us? And where are all His miracles which our fathers told us about, saying, ‘Did not the LORD bring us up from Egypt?’ But now the LORD has abandoned us and given us into the hand of Midian.” 14And the LORD looked at him and said, “Go in this your strength and deliver Israel from the hand of Midian. Have I not sent you?” 15And he [Gideon] said to Him, “O Lord, how shall I deliver Israel? Behold, my family is the least in Manasseh, and I am the youngest in my father’s house.” 16But the LORD said to him, “Surely I will be with you, and you shall defeat Midian as one man.” I HAVE TO DOUBT MY ENEMY, OR I WILL DOUBT MY GOD! DENYING DOUBT MEANS ADMITTING I AM WRONG ABOUT ME. DOUBT IS A DANGEROUS ENEMY BECAUSE DOUBT IS FEAR! DOUBT IN MY HEART WITHHOLDS GOD’S VICTORY FROM MY HANDS. DETECTING AND DEFEATING THE ENEMY OF DOUBT: Judges 6:25,26 FAMILY IDOL DOUBT: “Tear down your father’s altar to Baal and cut down the Asherah pole beside it 26and build an altar to the LORD your God” PRIDEFUL DOUBT: “The people who are with you are too many... lest Israel become boastful, saying, ‘My own power has delivered me.’ Judges 7:2 FEARFUL DOUBT: “Now therefore come, proclaim in the hearing of the people, saying, ‘Whoever is afraid and trembling, let him return and depart from Mount Gilead.’” So 22,000 people returned, but 10,000 remained. Judges 7:3 NEGLECTFUL DOUBT: “Now the number of those who lapped, putting their hand to their mouth, was 300 men; but all the rest of the people kneeled to drink water. 7And the LORD said to Gideon, “I will deliver you with the 300 men who lapped and will give the Midianites into your hands; Judges 7:6-7 (Pics Harod Spring and Pastor David Drinking) 20When the three companies blew the trumpets and broke the pitchers, they held the torches in their left hands and the trumpets in their right hands for blowing, and cried, “A sword for the LORD and for Gideon!” 21And each stood in his place around the camp; and all the army ran, crying out as they fled. 22And when they blew 300 trumpets, the LORD set the sword of one against another even throughout the whole army; Judges 7:20-22 FAITHING IT: GIDEON DIDN’T DO IT - HE FAITHED IT. IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE YOU CAN DO IT, DO WHAT GIDEON DID. DON’T DO IT - FAITH IT!

Mark 3:20-35 20and the crowd came together again, so that they could not even eat.21When his family heard it, they went out to restrain him, for people were saying, “He has gone out of his mind.” 22And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, “He has Beelzebul, and by the ruler of the demons […] The post Adam and Eve appeared first on Calvary Lutheran Church.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 Forsaken Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" _________________ York Minister Why would God the Father forsake Jesus, the Son of God? I find it interesting that today I published a blog consisting of a passage that's been sitting in my drafts from reading Exodus. The interesting thing is the contrast with this passage in Mark. Many have noted over the years that in every way Jesus is the perfect Israel. Jesus is the obedient son. Jesus kept the law fully as no man or woman had ever done and he did this without stumbling once. He is faultless in all ways. Yet here on the cross he is forsaken by the Father. Here on the cross Jesus assumes the position of the guilty. Jesus is suffering the full wrath of God. He faces death, mocking, torture rejection. But further, where we can not observe, Jesus is carrying the weight of our sin. All the evil of humanity past, present, and future is crushing Jesus. All the guilt, all the fear, all the pain is rending God's soul. Somehow Jesus the God man is actually suffering so that we can be made free. He is punished so we can be accepted and more than accepted we are imputed, attributed and blessed with the merit of his righteousness. Till the moment he dies it seems all humanity is hurling upon Jesus scorn, mocking, and abuse because he had made himself vulnerable. When in fact he is the all powerful, all knowing, compassionate, merciful, gracious, exacting, just judge of all mankind. And after he dies there on the cross people say he must be the Son of God. Why this change? Maybe we see it partially in Joseph of Arimathea. Joseph it says was looking for the Kingdom of God. This small commentary on the man who buries Jesus I believe is meant to say he found what he was looking for in Jesus. Joseph wasn't running away like the disciples earlier, nor standing at a distance like the women. Joseph found courage on Jesus' death. We too can find courage in the obedient son's ultimate act of courage. We can identify and let Jesus' death in fact be our own. When Joseph places Jesus in his tomb could it be he is saying this man died in my place so I have nothing to fear and no need to further prepare for my own death. Jesus had done it all. Mark 15 The Crucifixion 21And they compelled a passerby, Simon of Cyrene, who was coming in from the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to carry his cross. 22And they brought him to the place called Golgotha (which means Place of a Skull).23And they offered him wine mixed with myrrh, but he did not take it. 24And they crucified him and divided his garments among them, casting lots for them, to decide what each should take. 25And it was the third hour when they crucified him. 26And the inscription of the charge against him read, "The King of the Jews." 27And with him they crucified two robbers, one on his right and one on his left. 29And those who passed by derided him, wagging their heads and saying, "Aha! You who would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, 30save yourself, and come down from the cross!" 31So also the chief priests with the scribes mocked him to one another, saying, "He saved others; he cannot save himself. 32Let the Christ, the King of Israel, come down now from the cross that we maysee and believe." Those who were crucified with him also reviled him. The Death of Jesus 33And when the sixth hour had come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour. 34And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" 35And some of the bystanders hearing it said, "Behold, he is calling Elijah." 36And someone ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink, saying, "Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to take him down." 37And Jesus uttered a loud cry and breathed his last. 38And the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. 39And when the centurion, who stood facing him, saw that in this way he breathed his last, he said, "Truly this man was the Son of God!" 40There were also women looking on from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome. 41When he was in Galilee, they followed him and ministered to him, and there were also many other women who came up with him to Jerusalem. Jesus Is Buried 42And when evening had come, since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath, 43Joseph of Arimathea, a respected member of the Council, who was also himself looking for the kingdom of God, took courage and went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.44Pilate was surprised to hear that he should have already died. And summoning the centurion, he asked him whether he was already dead. 45And when he learned from the centurion that he was dead, he granted the corpse to Joseph. 46And Joseph bought a linen shroud, and taking him down, wrapped him in the linen shroud and laid him in a tomb that had been cut out of the rock. And he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb. 47Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses saw where he was laid. Posted by William Bode at 6/26/2013 07:49:00 am Labels: cross, crucifixion, death, Jesus, Joseph, Kingdom of God, sin Location: 4 Cruise Road, Sheffield, South Yorkshire S11 7EF, UK Lavish Love Exodus 20:1-6 NLT Then God gave the people all these instructions : “I am the Lord your God, who rescued you from the land of Egypt, the place of your slavery. “You must not have any other god but me. “You must not make for yourself an idol of any kind or an image of anything in the heavens or on the earth or in the sea. You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods. I lay the sins of the parents upon their children; the entire family is affected—even children in the third and fourth generations of those who reject me. But I lavish unfailing love for a thousand generations on those who love me and obey my commands. ____________________ Jesus was obedient Israel but on the cross he was forsaken.

http://versebyversebibleteaching.com/wp-content/uploads/Matthew_24_21_27.mp3 [audio: http://versebyversebibleteaching.com/wp-content/uploads/Matthew_24_21_27.mp3] 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. 23Then if any man shall […]

Visit Recover in Christ Ministries today Affordable Podcasting $5.99 a month includes Web Hosting And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.2And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. 3And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, 4As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. 5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. 6And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. 9And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. 10This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. 11And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. 12And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. 13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. 15And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be. 16And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her. 17Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear? 18And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! 19And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. 20And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 21But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. 22And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham. Advocate: My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (1 John 2:1) Almighty: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation 1:8) Alpha and Omega: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation 1:8) Amen: And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; these things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; (Revelation 3:14) Angel: The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth. (Genesis 48:16) Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for My name is in him.(Exodus 23:20-21) Angel of His presence: In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. (Isaiah 63:9) Anointed: The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, (Psalms 2:2) Apostle: Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; (Hebrews 3:1) Arm of the Lord: Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the Lord; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon? Art thou not it which hath dried the sea, the waters of the great deep; that hath made the depths of the sea a way for the ransomed to pass over? (Isaiah 51:9-10) Author and Finisher of our faith: Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. (Hebrews 12:2)

click hereVisit the Recover In Christ web site. click here to visit michael shull web site. Genesis 17 1And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. 3And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, 4As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. 5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. 6And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. 9And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. 10This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. 11And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. 12And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. 13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. 15And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be. 16And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her. 17Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear? 18And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! 19And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. 20And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 21But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. 22And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.

click hereVisit the Recover In Christ web site. Genesis 3 1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. 6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. 8And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. 9And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. 11And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 13And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. 14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. 16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. 20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. 21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. 22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.