Podcast appearances and mentions of Frank Drake

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What can the history of science tell us about the world we live in today and where we might be headed tomorrow? To find out, Dr. Charles Liu and co-host Allen Liu welcome historian of science Rebecca Charbonneau, PhD from the American Institute of Physics and the National Radio Astronomy Observatory with expertise in radio astronomy and the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI). This episode kicks off with Allen and Chuck talking about January's Lunar Occultation of Mars. You can see a photo taken by Chuck on our YouTube Community tab. And then it's time for today's joyfully cool cosmic thing: a recent paper in the Astrophysical Journal Letters confirming there are galaxies that were fully formed just 400 million years after The Big Bang. Chuck, who studies galactic evolution, tells us why this changes our understanding of galaxy formation. Rebecca talks about how new ideas can be controversial and how personalities, politics and cultures can impact the evolution of science. She brings up the current controversy in astronomy concerning the locations of terrestrial telescopes and the tension between scientific and cultural imperatives. She also recounts seeing people in Russia wearing NASA t-shirts and explains how NASA understood the importance of controlling the narrative, even inviting Norman Rockwell to popularize the space program. Our first question comes from Pablo P. on Patreon, who asks, “Can humanity be destroyed by AI powered by quantum computing?” Rebecca explains how during the Cold War, scientists on both sides engaged in “science diplomacy” that helped lower tensions. She applies this thinking to AI, pointing out that while a “Terminator-like” scenario is unlikely, public concern is causing the tech world to confront and grapple with real threats from AI like biases in hiring algorithms. Allen, a mathematician who writes about AI professionally, addresses whether AI powered by quantum computing is more dangerous than AI in general. Rebecca shares the terrifying story of a Soviet nuclear submarine and the US navy during the Cuban Missile Crisis that nearly started a nuclear war. The dissenting actions of a single officer named Vasily Arkhipov made the difference, and she wonders if AI would have made the same decision based on the available data. For our next question, we return to our Pablo P. from Patreon for his follow up: “How [do] we answer the question about whether or not we are engaging in self-destructive behavior?” Chuck and Rebecca discuss the confluence of astronomy and the military, and how the history of the SETI program highlights their shared concerns. You'll find out what the Drake Equation has to do with concepts like The Great Filter. Science, she reminds us, is a tool to try to get closer to the truth, but it's not always perfect in pointing out whether what we're doing is safe or potentially self-destructive. Then we turn to Rebecca's other big passion, art history and the window into the human experience that art provides. Charles brings up The Scream by Edvard Munch and the fact that it's actually a depiction of a real atmospheric event. Rebecca talks the use of fractal studies to determine the authenticity of Jackson Pollock art. She also explores the artistic value of scientific artifacts like the controversial plaque attached to Pioneer 10 depicting a naked man and woman, and the interstellar Arecibo Message, sent by Frank Drake in 1974. You'll even hear how Frank worked himself into the message and what that has to do with Albrecht Durer's self-portrait painted in the year 1500. Finally, we turn to what Rebecca's been up to recently. Her new book Mixed Signals came out in January of this year. Keep up with her on her website at and follow her on X @rebecca_charbon and on BlueSky @rebeccacharbon.bsky.social. We hope you enjoy this episode of The LIUniverse, and, if you do, please support us on Patreon. Credits for Images Used in this Episode: A young Milky Way-like galaxy and a background quasar 12 billion and 12.5 billion light-years away, respectively. – Credit: ALMA (ESO/NAOJ/NRAO), M. Neeleman & J. Xavier Prochaska; Keck Observatory Artist's concept of a high red-shift galaxy. – Credit: Alexandra Angelich (NRAO/AUI/NSF) John Young and Gus Grissom are suited for the first Gemini flight March 1965. Norman Rockwell, 1965. – Credit: Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum / Norman Rockwell Edvard Munch, 1893, The Scream. – Credit: Edvard Munch / National Gallery of Norway (Public Domain) Fractal study of Jackson Pollock art. – Credit: “Perceptual and physiological responses to Jackson Pollock's fractals,” R. Taylor, et al, Front. Hum. Neurosci., 21 June 2011. The Arecibo message. – Credit: Creative Commons NASA image of Pioneer 10's famed Pioneer plaque. – Credit: NASA Albrecht Durer self-portrait. – Credit: Albrecht Dürer - Alte Pinakothek (Public Domain)

Originally Broadcast 2025/02/03: Sean and friend of the show Celeste join Casual Trek to recap a quarter each of this "film", and give their own pitches for a Section 31 film. To celebrate, Charlie and Miles have formed a ragtag band of bantering ne'er do wells including Cele from Celeste is Best and Sean from Famicom Dojo. They carry out a four-person relay recap, pitch their own versions of a Section 31 movie and try to say something good about it! 00:03:19 What Non-Star Trek Thing We've Been Enjoying: 00:09:18 Introduction to Section 31 00:18:51 Section 31 Recap 00:33:30 Section 31 Review 01:16:22 Saying something nice about Section 31 01:21:24 Miles' Pitch 01:29:08 Cele's Pitch 01:36:52 Sean's Pitch 01:43:41 Charlie's Pitch 01:57:52 Cele's Wife's Pitch Talking points include: Borderlands (video game), Guardians of the Galaxy, Creature Commandos, a nice Americano, scone and a book, Macross, Silo (film & books), Midnight Suns, The original Section 31 predicted how the Patriot Act would go down, SHIELD in the War on Terror Era, Babylon 5, Mass Effect 2, Battlestar Galactica, The Culture, X-Force (Cyclops' and Wolverine's), Hunger Games, 90's Animated Cyclops, ‘meh' should never be said in a Star Trek, “We have Tendi at home”, everyone looks like budget ‘someone else', if this was on HBO Max then Zaslav would have killed it, The Drazi's religious war, The Big Outdoor Fight, Rebel Moon, British versions of successful American sci-fi, is there anything original? Starbucks supervisor energy, an Oirish accent, a Pacey from Dawson's Creek haircut, Agent for Harm, MST3K, Rogue One, Making Georgiou into Spike, referencing Lorca's most unfortunate line in Discovery, Fifth Element, the sins of Joss Whedon's writing, Dr Who, Suicide Squad, Torchwood, Celeste's Harsh Truths™, The Franchise, Jessie Gender, this is a Roger Corman movie if he was an idiot as well as a thief, choking on a Manta Force, Garth of Izar, Gundam references, . Oh, and occasionally Star Trek. Pedant's Corner: Silo came out in 2011, Fallout came out in 1997, A Boy and His Dog first appeared in 1969 Marvel's Midnight Sons actually consisted of: Danny Ketch, Johnny Blaze, Blade, Frank Drake, Hannibal King, Morbius, Vengeance, Sam Buchanan, Victoria Montessi, Louise Hastings, Modred the Mystic and Jinx. In retrospect I can see why they went more mainstream. Amarie in Unification had four arms William Sadler is alive at time of editing Casual Trek is by Charlie Etheridge-Nunn and Miles Reid-Lobatto. Music by Alfred Etheridge-Nunn. https://ko-fi.com/casualtrek Casual Trek is a part of the Nerd & Tie Network

It's finally here! The Section 31 movie, wanted by almost no one and quietly put out onto Paramount Plus looking like a bad attempt to be a Guardians of the Galaxy, Suicide Squad (the bad one) and Borderlands: The Movie. To celebrate, Charlie and Miles have formed a ragtag band of bantering ne'er do wells including Cele from Celeste is Best and Sean from Famicom Dojo. They carry out a four-person relay recap, pitch their own versions of a Section 31 movie and try to say something good about it! 00:03:19 What Non-Star Trek Thing We've Been Enjoying:  00:09:18 Introduction to Section 31 00:18:51 Section 31 Recap 00:33:30 Section 31 Review  01:16:22 Saying something nice about Section 31 01:21:24 Miles' Pitch  01:29:08 Cele's Pitch  01:36:52 Sean's Pitch 01:43:41 Charlie's Pitch  01:57:52 Cele's Wife's Pitch Talking points include: Borderlands (video game), Guardians of the Galaxy, Creature Commandos, a nice Americano, scone and a book, Macross, Silo (film & books), Midnight Suns, The original Section 31 predicted how the Patriot Act would go down, SHIELD in the War on Terror Era, Babylon 5, Mass Effect 2, Battlestar Galactica, The Culture, X-Force (Cyclops' and Wolverine's), Hunger Games, 90's Animated Cyclops, ‘meh' should never be said in a Star Trek, “We have Tendi at home”, everyone looks like budget ‘someone else', if this was on HBO Max then Zaslav would have killed it, The Drazi's religious war, The Big Outdoor Fight, Rebel Moon, British versions of successful American sci-fi, is there anything original? Starbucks supervisor energy, an Oirish accent, a Pacey from Dawson's Creek haircut, Agent for Harm, MST3K, Rogue One, Making Georgiou into Spike, referencing Lorca's most unfortunate line in Discovery, Fifth Element, the sins of Joss Whedon's writing, Dr Who, Suicide Squad, Torchwood, Celeste's Harsh Truths™, The Franchise, Jessie Gender, this is a Roger Corman movie if he was an idiot as well as a thief, choking on a Manta Force, Garth of Izar, Gundam references, . Oh, and occasionally Star Trek. Pedant's Corner: Silo came out in 2011, Fallout came out in 1997, A Boy and His Dog first appeared in 1969 Marvel's Midnight Sons actually consisted of: Danny Ketch, Johnny Blaze, Blade, Frank Drake, Hannibal King, Morbius, Vengeance, Sam Buchanan, Victoria Montessi, Louise Hastings, Modred the Mystic and Jinx. In retrospect I can see why they went more mainstream. Amarie in Unification had four arms William Sadler is alive at time of editing Casual Trek is by Charlie Etheridge-Nunn and Miles Reid-Lobatto Music by Alfred Etheridge-Nunn Casual Trek is a part of the Nerd & Tie Network https://ko-fi.com/casualtrek Celeste is Best YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/@NickIzumi  Cele's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/CelesteIsBest  Famicom Dojo: https://famicomdojo.tv/ Famicom Dojo YouTube: https://youtube.com/@famicomdojolive  Miles' blog: http://www.mareidlobatto.wordpress.com  Charlie's blog: http://www.fakedtales.com 

The first intentional message to other civilizations was beamed into the galaxy 50 years ago tomorrow. There wasn’t much to it – just 1,679 bits of data. When properly decoded, the message yields a picture – stick-figure outlines of a person and the message’s planet of origin, for example. The image also features the facility that beamed it into space: the giant Arecibo radio telescope, which collapsed a few years ago. The Arecibo message was conceived by Frank Drake. He was a pioneer in SETI – the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. He’d conducted the first search for radio signals just 15 years earlier. One of his collaborators was celebrity astronomer Carl Sagan. The message was intended primarily as a publicity stunt. Arecibo had just received a major upgrade, and astronomers wanted to show it off. So the message was transmitted just once – it wasn’t repeated. Other messages have followed, from radio telescopes around the world. Today, though, scientists and others are debating the wisdom of alerting the rest of the galaxy to our presence. They wonder whether messages to the stars might bring an unpleasant response. The target for the Arecibo message was M13, a giant star cluster in Hercules. It’s in the west-northwest at nightfall, and it’s an easy target for binoculars or a small telescope. But it’s so far away that the message won’t get there for another 25,000 years. Script by Damond Benningfield

We're fully on the UFO beat now, and addressing one of the most vexing questions asked by any scientist in the previous century--Enrico Fermi's question about aliens. That is, "Where is everybody"? We explore many solutions that have been proposed for this conundrum, and also investigate fellow scientist Frank Drake's equation that seeks to quantify exactly how likely it is that we will encounter alien life. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sabrina Mugnos"L'universo che sussurra"Come cercare la vita aliena sulla Terrail Saggiatorewww.ilsaggiatore.comL'universo che sussurra ci spinge a confrontarci attraverso la scienza con la domanda che ha da sempre attanagliato scrittori e artisti, astronomi e persone comuni: siamo soli nel cosmo? Un viaggio nei meandri dell'astrobiologia fino al limite del possibile, guidati dalle voci e dalle storie di chi ogni giorno scruta il cielo in cerca di qualcosa in più di un silenzioso buio. Quando ci si addentra nella struttura dell'universo e ci si perde tra le sue meraviglie, gridare al prodigio è inevitabile. Pensiamo all'infinità di stelle e satelliti, alla diversità degli esseri che popolano il nostro pianeta, al perfetto meccanismo del DNA che regola miliardi di cellule. Non è un caso che di fronte a tutto ciò alcuni studiosi abbiano deciso di concentrare la loro attenzione proprio sullo spazio profondo e sulle potenziali tracce di entità extraterrestri.In queste pagine Sabrina Mugnos ci racconta dei suoi incontri con questi scienziati e ricercatori che indagano l'esistenza di «altre» forme di vita: dalle pionieristiche osservazioni dell'astronomo Frank Drake allo stupefacente segnale «Wow!» captato da Jerry R. Ehman; da chi studia i misteriosi Riftia pachyptila negli abissi oceanici a chi analizza gli esopianeti di Proxima Centauri; dalla Stazione radioastronomica di Medicina all'imponente Sardinia Radio Telescope di San Basilio, in provincia di Cagliari. Un'avventura nel regno del possibile che è anche un invito allo stupore: a tornare ad alzare lo sguardo al cielo e oltre; a sfidare i limiti che ci circondano, in questa porzione di galassia che abitiamo.Sabrina Mugnos (La Spezia, 1971), vulcanologa e divulgatrice scientifica, ha collaborato con diverse testate ed emittenti televisive, tra cui Rai e Sky. Il Saggiatore ha pubblicato Draghi sepolti (2020) e Atlante del Grande Nord (2022).IL POSTO DELLE PAROLEascoltare fa pensaewww.ilpostodelleparole.itDiventa un supporter di questo podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/il-posto-delle-parole--1487855/support.

In this special series from Sideways, called A New Frontier, Matthew Syed explores the most out of this world ethical questions posed by the evolution of human space exploration. He takes us into the cosmos with stories from astronauts who've been there and those who can only dream of going, to explore the moral debates that have permeated space exploration since before the moon landings, and are evolving dramatically today in a new era of commercial space flight, of asteroid mining and almost daily satellite launches. Matthew begins the series by diving into the ethics of humanity's search for extra-terrestrial life. In 1974, Richard Isaacman was a young graduate, studying to become an astronomer, from some of the field's biggest names - like Carl Sagan and Frank Drake. At just 21-years-old, he's asked to contribute to humankind's first ever deliberate attempt to send a targeted radio transmission to a cluster of stars in the outer reaches of the galaxy. A rudimentary picture, designed to be intercepted and decoded by aliens. Delving into our obsession with aliens, science fiction and the vastness of space, Matthew discovers how asking questions about space ethics can often lead us to answers that tell us much more about the ways we treat our own environment, other animals, and each other, than it does about little green men.With former NASA astronaut John Herrington, York University astronomer Sarah Rugheimer and space ethicist, podcaster and author Erika Nesvold. Presenter: Matthew Syed Producer: Leona Hameed Series Editor: Katherine Godfrey Sound Design and Mix: Rob Speight Theme music by Ioana Selaru A Novel production for BBC Radio 4

In 1961, at the Green Bank observatory in West Virginia, a small conference was held for astrophysicists. The meeting was organized by Cornell University professor and astronomer Frank Drake. The subject of the conference was the search for extraterrestrial life.  In preparation for the conference, he jotted down his thoughts in the form of an equation. An equation that has changed how we think about life on other worlds.  Learn more about the Drake Equation and the variables that make it up on this episode of Everything Everywhere Daily. Sponsors Available nationally, look for a bottle of Heaven Hill Bottled-in-Bond at your local store. Find out more at heavenhilldistillery.com/hh-bottled-in-bond.php Sign up today at butcherbox.com/daily and use code daily to choose your free offer and get $20 off. Visit BetterHelp.com/everywhere today to get 10% off your first month. Use the code EverythingEverywhere for a 20% discount on a subscription at Newspapers.com. Visit meminto.com and get 15% off with code EED15.  Listen to Expedition Unknown wherever you get your podcasts.  Get started with a $13 trial set for just $3 at harrys.com/EVERYTHING. Subscribe to the podcast!  https://link.chtbl.com/EverythingEverywhere?sid=ShowNotes -------------------------------- Executive Producer: Charles Daniel Associate Producers: Ben Long & Cameron Kieffer   Become a supporter on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/everythingeverywhere Update your podcast app at newpodcastapps.com Discord Server: https://discord.gg/UkRUJFh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/everythingeverywhere/ Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/everythingeverywheredaily Twitter: https://twitter.com/everywheretrip Website: https://everything-everywhere.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the daily304 – your window into Wonderful, Almost Heaven, West Virginia.   Today is Saturday, May 25, 2024. West Virginia is a hotbed of UFO activity, according to a renowned paranormal investigator…As boating season kicks into full swing, the WVDNR urges folks to take life jackets seriously…and Innovators & Entrepreneurs chats with leaders of MHIRJ, an aviation company in Bridgeport that's looking to hire 400 technicians…on today's daily304. #1 – From WV EXPLORER – A renowned paranormal investigator says West Virginia has a remarkable association with UFO activity because of its role in the search for extraterrestrial life and because it was the location of many early alleged UFO encounters. Dave Spinks, perhaps best known for his appearances on the Travel Channel, the History Channel, and Destination America, says you can't beat the Mountain State when it comes to UFO lore. “Two of the earliest and most famous encounters in the U.S. were reported here,” Spinks says, referring to legendary encounters involving Mothman and the Flatwoods Monster. “But it was here, too, at Green Bank Observatory that Frank Drake established the first telescopes used in the SETI program—the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence.” Read more: https://wvexplorer.com/2024/05/18/west-virginia-ufo-seti-green-bank-flatwoods-mothman/   #2 – From WVDNR – When it comes to wearing a life jacket while boating, there are many myths and misconceptions that people have come to believe. For example, you'd be surprised how many people think they don't need to wear a life jacket if they know how to swim or if they're on a large boat with other people. They couldn't be more wrong. The sad reality is that nearly 80 percent of people who die in boating accidents are not wearing life jackets. As we gear up for another summer of water adventures in West Virginia, it's crucial to set the record straight about life jackets, also known as personal flotation devices (PFDs). Click the link to read about five common myths about life jackets and why these misconceptions are wrong. The West Virginia Division of Natural Resource encourages you to take PFDs seriously. Because your life depends on it! Read more: https://wvdnr.gov/life-jacket-myths/   #3 – From INNOVATORS & ENTREPRENEURS – MHI RJ is the leader in aviation maintenance for the CRJ Series, the world's most successful regional jet. With more than 550 employees in West Virginia and state-of-the-art hangars in Bridgeport, West Virginia, MHI RJ supports the top three airlines in the US and top regional airlines in the world. Innovators and Entrepreneurs chats with Ross Mitchell, Vice-President of MHI RJ Aviation Global, and Michael Genin, Director of Operations for MHI RJ Aviation in Bridgeport, about their company's success in #YesWV.  MHI RJ in Bridgeport is currently hiring about 400 technicians and is looking to fill over 100 job vacancies over the next year.  Watch the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=R2-QqnYxZZvfK6u1&v=fs0uSJ5IgIA&feature=youtu.be   Find these stories and more at wv.gov/daily304. The daily304 curated news and information is brought to you by the West Virginia Department of Commerce: Sharing the wealth, beauty and opportunity in West Virginia with the world. Follow the daily304 on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram @daily304. Or find us online at wv.gov and just click the daily304 logo.  That's all for now. Take care. Be safe. Get outside and enjoy all the opportunity West Virginia has to offer.  

(NOTAS Y ENLACES DEL CAPÍTULO AQUÍ: https://www.jaimerodriguezdesantiago.com/kaizen/186-el-misterio-de-la-vida-v-mas-alla-de-la-tierra/)«Existen dos posibilidades: o estamos solos en el universo o no lo estamos. Ambas son igualmente aterradoras»Estas palabras de Arthur C. Clarke resumen mucho de lo que nos quedaba por tratar en relación al misterio de la vida. Hasta ahora nos hemos asomado a los orígenes del universo y de nuestro planeta, a cómo nació la vida en él, cómo evolucionó en una larga cadena ininterrumpida hasta cada planta y cada animal de los que poblamos hoy la Tierra y las enormes preguntas que nos despierta esa característica tan extraña que tenemos los humanos, la consciencia. Pero en todos estos capítulos había al menos un par de enormes elefantes en la habitación, como dicen en inglés, a los que hemos tratado de dejar aparcados. Por un lado, la que seguramente sea la pregunta más importante de todas, al menos para los que estamos vivos hoy: ¿qué sucede cuando acaba la vida? Algo que vamos a dejar para otro momento. Porque hoy toca atender al otro elefante: a la duda de si estamos o no solos en el Universo. La verdad es que está siendo una temporada de temas sencillitos, ¿eh? No aprendo.  ¿Te gusta kaizen? Apoya el podcast uniéndote a la Comunidad y accede a contenidos y ventajas exclusivas: https://www.jaimerodriguezdesantiago.com/comunidad-kaizen/

¿Por qué hay tantos testigos que aseguran haber visto seres y objetos tan diferentes? Intentamos responderlo junto a Juan Jesús Vallejo. Una pregunta extraña, sobre ¿exoeconomia? Frank Drake y su investigación, la exominería y ¿la clave para viajar a las estrellas? Además, una experiencia en primera persona.

Guest | Dr. Rebecca Charbonneau, Karl Jansky Fellow, National Radio Astronomy Observatory [@TheNRAO]On Twitter | https://twitter.com/StellarHistoryOn LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-charbonneau-31090aa1/On Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/rebeccaannecharbonneauHost | Matthew S WilliamsOn ITSPmagazine  

Guest | Dr. Rebecca Charbonneau, Karl Jansky Fellow, National Radio Astronomy Observatory [@TheNRAO]On Twitter | https://twitter.com/StellarHistoryOn LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-charbonneau-31090aa1/On Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/rebeccaannecharbonneauHost | Matthew S WilliamsOn ITSPmagazine  

Host | Matthew S WilliamsOn ITSPmagazine  

Host | Matthew S WilliamsOn ITSPmagazine  

UFOs and the Media - Lee Speigel has been interested in the idea of UFOs, aliens, living dinosaurs and the whole range of topics that often overlap the worlds of science and unexplained phenomena since he was a young boy. His first foray into the pursuit and investigation of these topics was in 1975 when he produced and wrote a documentary record album, "UFOs: The Credibility Factor," for CBS Inc. It marked the first time that military and scientific voices came together to disclose their personal UFO encounters and to call for government recognition of the phenomenon. In 1978, in another early attempt at UFO disclosure, but this time on a world stage, Speigel became the only person in history to produce a major presentation on UFOs at the United Nations. Under the sponsorship of Grenada, he brought together leading military and scientific experts who urged world leaders to establish an international UFO study panel. Between 1978 and 1986, Speigel produced, wrote and hosted NBC Radio's "UFO Reports," "Unexplained Phenomena" and "The Edge of Reality" (nearly 1500 local and national programs, spanning eight years.) 1978 was also important as Speigel became one of the first media personalities -- through his NBC Radio features — to bring public awareness of the now-legendary 1947 Roswell, NM, UFO crash; through the efforts of nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman, Speigel produced a weeklong series of radio reports that featured exclusive interviews with military personnel who were directly involved with the initial Roswell cover-up. Within the same time period as his NBC experience, Speigel was also a feature writer for OMNI magazine, including several cover stories about UFOs and cryptozoology. In 1993, he produced and wrote "Lincoln's Music In America: The Classics In Space," a national award-winning classical music special focusing on the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Broadcast over the Concert Music Network, the show was co-hosted by Dr. Frank Drake, founder of the SETI Institute, and is in the permanent collection of the Paley Center for Media in New York City. Between 2007 and 2009, while on staff at ABCNews.com, Speigel wrote feature stories about the Roswell, NM, UFO legend, looking for life in meteorites and the controversial practice of firewalking. Since 2010, Speigel has written hundreds of stories covering unexplained phenomena and UFOs for the AOL-Huffington Post Media Group in New York.

June 2012Frank Drake (1930-2022) was known as the "father of SETI science" -- he was the scientist who conducted the first radio survey for signals from extraterrestrial civilizations, and came up with the formula for estimating the likelihood of such civilizations, now called the Drake Equation. In June 2012, the SETI Institute sponsored a three-day public event called SETICon. One highlight of the program was an interview with Drake (who served as the founding President of the Institute board. )  It was conducted by SETI Institute board member and veteran astronomy educator Andrew Fraknoi.  The discussion ranged widely over Dr. Drake's career and current thinking.  It included reminiscences of Project OZMA, that first experiment searching for signals from civilizations among the stars, and his current view of the Drake Equation.  He also reflects on a number of modern developments, including the discovery of numerous planets orbiting other stars and new ways of searching for extra-terrestrial civilizations.During the Summer, when the Silicon Valley Astronomy Lectures take a vacation, we thought you might enjoy this special podcast for its historical value, now that Frank Drake has passed away.

VYS0024 | Between Being Real and Not Real - Vayse to Face with Nathan Paul Isaac - Show Notes Barely able to contain their excitement, Hine and Buckley welcome to Vayse the one and only Nathan Paul Isaac, creator of the essential chronicle of high strangeness in Somerset, Kentucky, the Penny Royal podcast. Penny Royal has been a huge influence on Vayse, and Hine and Buckley geek out as the conversation goes deep, wide and weird - from discussion of Penny-Royal-favourite topics such as cybernetics and synchronicity to pondering Hansen's trickster and theories on the nature of elementals and non-human intelligence by way of terrifying stories of faceless dream entities and a firm consensus on the importance of maintaining a healthy hatred of Nazis... and to sweeten the deal even more, Nathan drops a few breadcrumbs as to what kind of weird stuff to expect from Penny Royal season 3... Recorded 6 July 2023 Thanks again to Keith for the show notes - again, we couldn't have have got this episode out on time without his help. We appreciate it! 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(NOTAS COMPLETAS Y ENLACES DEL CAPÍTULO AQUÍ: https://www.jaimerodriguezdesantiago.com/kaizen/172-el-misterio-de-la-vida-i-la-tierra-y-el-efecto-perspectiva/)Me ha dado por terminar la temporada de kaizen con un tema sencillito. Porque, sí, éste es el último capítulo de esta quinta temporada. Después empezarán mis vacaciones y kaizen y yo volveremos en septiembre. Pero algo me dice que con el de hoy nos vamos a llevar mucho para digerir durante estos meses.Y es que hay tanto que damos por sentado que muchas veces nos es difícil ser conscientes siquiera del milagro que es todo lo que nos rodea. Y no lo digo en el sentido religioso del término, aunque si hay algo que a mí, que no soy creyente, me llevaría a creer sería eso. Digo lo de milagro en el sentido casi matemático. Porque sea cual sea la explicación científica de que estemos aquí, en este planeta, vivos, comunicándonos y haciendo todas esas cosas que hacemos los humanos, que nos parecen tan importantes en nuestro día a día y que, sin embargo, pierden cualquier lógica cuando uno toma distancia; si hay algo que explique todo eso, sea lo que sea, parece que sólo se sostiene en que vivimos en un Universo de un tamaño y una edad inimaginables para nosotros, pero lo suficientemente descomunales como para que se acumulen todo tipo de improbabilidades.Tal vez haya vida en otros planetas. Quizás esta canica azul no sea la única habitada en nuestro descomunal y vacío universo; pero lo que es seguro es que al menos ésta lo está. Que nosotros estamos aquí, también en ese descomunal y vacío universo. Y la pregunta que a mí me sale es casi tan descomunal: ¿de dónde demonios venimos los humanos?

UFOs and the Media - Lee Speigel has been interested in the idea of UFOs, aliens, living dinosaurs and the whole range of topics that often overlap the worlds of science and unexplained phenomena since he was a young boy. His first foray into the pursuit and investigation of these topics was in 1975 when he produced and wrote a documentary record album, "UFOs: The Credibility Factor," for CBS Inc. It marked the first time that military and scientific voices came together to disclose their personal UFO encounters and to call for government recognition of the phenomenon. In 1978, in another early attempt at UFO disclosure, but this time on a world stage, Speigel became the only person in history to produce a major presentation on UFOs at the United Nations. Under the sponsorship of Grenada, he brought together leading military and scientific experts who urged world leaders to establish an international UFO study panel. Between 1978 and 1986, Speigel produced, wrote and hosted NBC Radio's "UFO Reports," "Unexplained Phenomena" and "The Edge of Reality" (nearly 1500 local and national programs, spanning eight years.) 1978 was also important as Speigel became one of the first media personalities -- through his NBC Radio features — to bring public awareness of the now-legendary 1947 Roswell, NM, UFO crash; through the efforts of nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman, Speigel produced a weeklong series of radio reports that featured exclusive interviews with military personnel who were directly involved with the initial Roswell cover-up. Within the same time period as his NBC experience, Speigel was also a feature writer for OMNI magazine, including several cover stories about UFOs and cryptozoology. In 1993, he produced and wrote "Lincoln's Music In America: The Classics In Space," a national award-winning classical music special focusing on the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Broadcast over the Concert Music Network, the show was co-hosted by Dr. Frank Drake, founder of the SETI Institute, and is in the permanent collection of the Paley Center for Media in New York City. Between 2007 and 2009, while on staff at ABCNews.com, Speigel wrote feature stories about the Roswell, NM, UFO legend, looking for life in meteorites and the controversial practice of firewalking. Since 2010, Speigel has written hundreds of stories covering unexplained phenomena and UFOs for the AOL-Huffington Post Media Group in New York.Our radio shows archives and programming include: A Different Perspective with Kevin Randle; Alien Cosmic Expo Lecture Series; Alien Worlds Radio Show; America's Soul Doctor with Ken Unger; Back in Control Radio Show with Dr. David Hanscom, MD; Connecting with Coincidence with Dr. Bernard Beitman, MD; Dick Tracy; Dimension X; Exploring Tomorrow Radio Show; Flash Gordon; Imagine More Success Radio Show with Syndee Hendricks and Thomas Hydes; Jet Jungle Radio Show; Journey Into Space; Know the Name with Sharon Lynn Wyeth; Lux Radio Theatre - Classic Old Time Radio; Mission Evolution with Gwilda Wiyaka; Paranormal StakeOut with Larry Lawson; Ray Bradbury - Tales Of The Bizarre; Sci Fi Radio Show; Seek Reality with Roberta Grimes; Space Patrol; Stairway to Heaven with Gwilda Wiyaka; The 'X' Zone Radio Show with Rob McConnell; Two Good To Be True with Justina Marsh and Peter Marsh; and many other!That's The ‘X' Zone Broadcast Network Shows and Archives - https://www.spreaker.com/user/xzoneradiotv

Welcome to The Nonlinear Library, where we use Text-to-Speech software to convert the best writing from the Rationalist and EA communities into audio. This is: [Cross-post] Is the Fermi Paradox due to the Flaw of Averages?, published by Aryeh Englander on January 18, 2023 on LessWrong. [This article is copy-pasted from the Lumina blog, very lightly edited for LessWrong.] Where is everybody?— Enrico Fermi The omnipresence of uncertainty is part of why making predictions and decisions is so hard. We at Lumina advocate treating uncertainty explicitly in our models using probability distributions. Sadly this is not yet as common as it should be. A recent paper “Dissolving the Fermi Paradox” (2018) is a powerful illustration of how including uncertainty can transform conclusions on the fascinating question of whether our Earth is the only place in the Universe harboring intelligent life. The authors, Anders Sandberg, Eric Drexler and Toby Ord (whom we shall refer to as SDO), show elegantly that the apparent paradox is simply the result of the mistake of ignoring uncertainty, what Sam L. Savage calls the Flaw of Averages. In this article, we review their article and link to an Analytica version of their model that you can explore. The Fermi Paradox Enrico Fermi. From Wikimedia commons. One day in 1950, Enrico Fermi, the Nobel prize-winning builder of the first nuclear reactor, was having lunch with a few friends in Los Alamos. They were looking at a New Yorker cartoon of cheerful aliens emerging from a flying saucer. Fermi famously asked “Where is everybody?”. Given the vast number of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy and the likely development of life and extraterrestrial intelligence, how come no ETs have come to visit or at least been detected? This question came to be called the “Fermi Paradox”. Ever since, it has bothered those interested in the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence and whether we are alone in the Universe. The Flaw of Averages on Steroids Dr. Sam Savage who coined the term “Flaw of Averages” Sam L. Savage, in his book, The Flaw of Averages, shows how ignoring uncertainty and just working with a single mean or “most likely” value for each uncertain quantity can lead to misleading results. To illustrate how dramatically this approach can distort your conclusions, SDO offer a toy example. Suppose there are nine factors that multiplied together give the probability of extraterrestrial intelligence (ETI) arising on any given star. If you use a point estimate of 0.1 for each factors, you could infer that there is a 10−9probability of any given star harboring ETI. There are about 1011 stars in the Milky Way, so the probability that no star other than our own has a planet harboring intelligent life would be extremely small, (1−10−9)100B≈3.7×10−44. On the other hand, suppose that, based on what we know, each factor could be anywhere between 0 and 0.2, and assign a uniform uncertainty over this interval, using the probability distribution, Uniform(0, 0.2). If you combine these distributions probabilistically, using Monte Carlo simulation for example, the mean of the result is 0.21 – over 5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times more likely! The Drake Equation Frank Drake, a radio astronomer who worked on the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI), tried to formalize Fermi's estimate of the number of ETIs. He suggested that we can estimate N, the number of detectable, intelligent civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy from what is now called the “Drake equation”. It is sometimes referred to as the “second most-famous equation in science (after E= mc2)”: Frank Drake (1930-2022). N=R∗×fp×ne×fl×fi×fc×L Where R∗ is the average rate of formation of stars in our galaxy,fp is the fraction of stars with planets.ne is the average number of those planets that could potentially support life.fl is the fraction of those on which life had actually developed;fi is the fraction of those with life that ...

VYS0014 - Show Notes To usher out the old year and welcome in the new, Hine and Buckley take a look back at a selection of the weirdest news stories of 2022 and track them against the development of Vayse throughout the year: Fish-falls, haunted AI art, dreaming arachnids and the persistent, bizarre and unfounded claims of Uri Geller - this episode has it all... and more... Recorded 27 December 2022 on location at Shireshead Studio, Lancashire. The news stories in this episode were sourced from the incredibly wonderful website https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/ Schedule for Weird Night on BBC2 18th December 1994 (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=46518.0) X-Files – Season 1 Episode 12 - Fire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcIS11jim4E) Attack of the 50ft Woman (1958) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYRWvMaFJjE) Attack of the 50ft woman (1993) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCY3EU2zWI4) Pee-Wee's big Adventure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhBxbUEIq1g) The First Episode of Fortean TV with a new introduction by Lionel Fanthorpe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBublO69VGE) Fortean Review of the Year 1994 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5joD8DUxJ0) Mysterons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slDNOtOQ8oA) by Portishead January Fish Fall in Texarkana (https://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2021/12/30/raining-fish-Texarkana-Texas/9101640895785/) Magnolia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnamcFv_N9Q) Charles Fort (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fort) What Magic is This? – Charles Fort (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2020/11/11/charles-fort/) The Book of the Damned (https://uk.bookshop.org/books/the-book-of-the-damned/9781528718301) by Charles Fort New Lands (https://uk.bookshop.org/books/1605838389_new-lands/9781374989368) by Charles Fort Lo! (https://uk.bookshop.org/books/1605838389_lo/9781612030517) by Charles Fort Wild Talents (https://uk.bookshop.org/books/1605838389_wild-talents/9781612030531) by Charles Fort Kentucky Meat Shower (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_meat_shower) Uri Geller claims to know where the Arc of the Covenant is (https://mobile.twitter.com/theurigeller/status/1478380726961778693) Uri Gellar - Fascinating article and video about a Stanford study and the subsequent CIA interest into his abilities (https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/may/09/cia-uri-geller-video/) Modelling portfolio of Uri Geller (https://www.urigeller.com/picture-gallery/uri-modelling/) Hellier (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1FwIuicx88) The White Lotus Season 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGLq7_MonZ4) Polypores BandCamp (https://polypores.bandcamp.com/) Curiosity rover finds possible evidence of life on Mars (https://phys.org/news/2022-01-nasa-curiosity-rover-intriguing-carbon.html) Woman marries the colour pink in historic ceremony (https://www.unilad.com/news/woman-marries-colour-pink-in-historic-vegas-wedding-ceremony/) Man receives genetically-modified pig heart in transplant breakthrough (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59944889) Uri Geller claims that an alien 'mass landing' is imminent (https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/354934/uri-geller-claims-that-an-alien-mass-landing-is-imminent) February Mystery 6ft creature spotted on rural road in England (https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/late-night-sighting-6ft-tall-23189628) Fresno Nightcrawlers Cryptid Study (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jvkP_aHTps) by Madame Macabre Passport to Magonia (https://uk.bookshop.org/books/1605843614_passport-to-magonia/9780987422484) by Jacques Vallée Joshua Cutchin (https://www.joshuacutchin.com/) Brain scan captures last thoughts of a person as they died (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/brain-last-thoughts-before-dying-scan-b2022099.html) NDE video - A Neurosurgeon's Journey Into the Afterlife | An In-Depth Interview with Eben Alexander (https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=PdwUXAPnU9k) The OA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvHJtez2IlY) All The Things She Said (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mGBaXPlri8) by Tatu Anthony Peake (https://www.anthonypeake.com/) The Lyra (synth) (https://somasynths.com/lyra-organismic-synthesizer/#:~:text=LYRA%2D8%20is%20based%20on,generators%20in%20old%20electric%20organs.) Man wins $10 million lottery jackpot twice in three years (https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/02/27/new-york-loterry-juan-hernandez-scratch-off-ticket/6965770001/) Penny Royal (https://www.pennyroyalpodcast.com/) 'Bulging triangle' UFO appears over Islamabad for two hours (https://nypost.com/2022/02/22/mysterious-bulging-triangle-ufo-filmed-over-city-for-two-hours/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=syndicated&utm_campaign=partnerfeed) Could the Earth itself be an intelligent entity ? (https://phys.org/news/2022-02-planet-mind.html) March The Greater Manchester street so haunted you had to sign a WAIVER to move there (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchester-street-haunted-you-23289605) Twin Peaks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knaVDrV5AZo) Total number of discovered exoplanets now exceeds 5,000 (https://www.npr.org/2022/03/22/1088009414/there-are-more-than-5-000-confirmed-exoplanets-beyond-our-solar-system-nasa-says?t=1648480072338) Two children survive for a month alone in the Amazon rainforest (https://www.odditycentral.com/news/young-brothers-survive-almost-a-month-alone-in-the-amazon-jungle.html) 1st image snapped by iconic Webb telescope pushes limits of the 'laws of physics' (https://www.livescience.com/james-webb-telescope-image-limits-of-physics) April CIA files reveal that the Soviets were developing cybernetic telepathy (https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkp8m9/cia-document-claims-soviet-union-was-developing-cybernetic-telepathy) Soviet Dog-head Experiment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhzEMJHQt2I)(not for the faint hearted) The Gateway Process - Vice Article (https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k9qag/how-to-escape-the-confines-of-time-and-space-according-to-the-cia) The Gateway Process - CIA Analysis and Assessment (https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/cia/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf) What Are Binaural Beats? (https://www.webmd.com/balance/what-are-binaural-beats) - WebMD Article Strange Frequencies : The Extraordinary Story of the Technological Quest for the Supernatural (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31316381198&searchurl=kn%3Dstrange%2Bfrequencies%2Bpeter%2Bbebergal%26sortby%3D17&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title1) by Peter Bebergal Loab (https://www.vice.com/en/article/g5vjw3/why-does-this-horrifying-woman-keep-appearing-in-ai-generated-images) – Vice Article Loab Twitter thread (https://twitter.com/supercomposite/status/1567162288087470081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1567162288087470081%7Ctwgr%5E120a5eb32d0d17deb625b7b45a01ee894f564389%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vice.com%2Fen%2Farticle%2Fg5vjw3%2Fwhy-does-this-horrifying-woman-keep-appearing-in-ai-generated-images) by Supercomposite (https://twitter.com/supercomposite) CrAIyon (Formerly DALL-E Mini) interpretation of Steven Seagal eating a Piglet (https://twitter.com/peterchine/status/1610602808478400512?s=20&t=ppGTPTCZPTSYfgIMgCtY7A) Entire human genome has been sequenced for the first time (https://theconversation.com/the-human-genome-project-pieced-together-only-92-of-the-dna-now-scientists-have-finally-filled-in-the-remaining-8-176138) Pentagon files reveal UFO 'radiation burns' and 'unexpected pregnancies' (https://www.livescience.com/ufo-report-human-biological-injuries) Europa Pools could support life (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/apr/19/jupiters-moon-europa-may-have-water-life-could-exist) May US Congress Open UFO hearing: is there evidence that aliens have visited the Earth? (https://theconversation.com/is-there-evidence-aliens-have-visited-earth-heres-whats-come-out-of-us-congress-hearings-on-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-183443) US Congressional Hearing on UFOs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYfxwBQL69A) Pentagon erroneously claims that it has no data on UFOs disabling nukes (https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/357743/pentagon-erroneously-claims-that-it-has-no-data-on-ufos-disabling-nukes) Creepy dolls found washed up along Texas beach (https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2022/04/29/researchers-find-dozens-of-creepy-dolls-along-40-mile-stretch-of-texas-beach-) NASA image shows what looks like a door on Mars (https://www.sciencealert.com/this-cool-rock-formation-on-mars-looks-just-like-an-alien-doorway) Woman appears on TV with her 'alien boyfriend' (https://www.entertainmentdaily.co.uk/tv/this-morning-alien-boyfriend-guest-today-love-life/) June Scientists create living skin to use on robots (https://singularityhub.com/2022/06/13/scientists-used-human-cells-to-make-self-healing-living-skin-for-robots/) Terminator (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k64P4l2Wmeg) Terminator 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRRlbK5w8AE) Google Engineer Claims AI Chatbot Is Sentient (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/google-engineer-claims-ai-chatbot-is-sentient-why-that-matters/) The Boggart : Folklore, History, Place-names and Dialect (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31109769189&searchurl=kn%3Dsimon%2Byoung%2Bboggart%26sortby%3D17&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title7) by Simon Young VYS0003 | Welcome to Vayse, Population 2 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0003) VYS0006 | Dreamtides - Vayse to Face with Field Lines Cartographer (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0006) It turns out that male mice are terrified of bananas (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/mindandbody/male-mice-are-terrified-of-bananas-heres-why/ar-AAXPezl) Man ends up in hospital after fish jumps down his throat (https://www.ndtv.com/offbeat/man-undergoes-surgery-after-fish-jumps-out-of-water-and-down-his-throat-3031386) Voyager 1 glitch is due to aliens, claims Uri Geller (https://www.jpost.com/omg/article-708284) July YouTuber Coyote Peterson announces 'Bigfoot' skull discovery (https://www.livescience.com/coyote-peterson-primate-skull-fiasco) Man kills friend 'to stop him from summoning Bigfoot' (https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fisherman-murder-blames-bigfoot_n_62cfc41ee4b0c0bdba666e91) Global Tribe (https://www.globalcrystals.com/) VYS0004 | The Uncanny Vallée and the Unreal Keel - The Ultraterrestrial Hypothesis Pt.1 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0004) VYS0005 | UFOnauts and Inverted Crosses - The Ultraterrestrial Hypothesis Pt.2 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0005) Fisherman catches extremely rare blue lobster (https://www.ndtv.com/offbeat/fisherman-catches-rare-one-in-two-million-blue-lobster-in-us-3129296) Chess robot breaks boy's finger during tournament (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/chess-playing-robot-not-above-breaking-a-child-s-finger-for-the-big-win/ar-AAZWTOa) Georgia Guidestones destroyed by bomb blast (https://www.iflscience.com/monument-destroyed-on-video-by-unidentified-bomber-actually-smote-by-god-say-conspiracists-64376) August New evidence suggests that even spiders have dreams (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/spiders-seem-to-have-rem-like-sleep-and-may-even-dream1/) Michael Levin (https://twitter.com/drmichaellevin?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) Classified 1990 Calvine UFO photograph has surfaced 32 years on (https://allthatsinteresting.com/calvine-photo) Kenneth Arnold 'flying saucer' sighting turns 75 (https://www.singularfortean.com/news/2022/6/28/kenneth-arnolds-historic-flying-saucer-sighting-turns-75) VYS0007 | Too Much to Dream Last Night (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0007) Weird creature with no anus was not earliest human ancestor (https://phys.org/news/2022-08-scientists-relieved-curious-creature-anus.html) Possible live thylacine filmed in South Australia (https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/360221/possible-live-thylacine-filmed-in-south-australia) Uri Geller says he will use his 'mind power' to stop a nuclear attack (https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/359646/uri-geller-says-he-will-use-his-mind-power-to-stop-a-nuclear-attack) September SETI pioneer Frank Drake dies, aged 92 (https://www.seti.org/frank-d-drake-1930-2022) Weird voice whispers 'death is irreversible' during Queen's funeral (https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/itv-news-clip-queen-funeral-goes-viral_uk_63296b45e4b0bfdf5e19b270?d_id=4924373&ncid_tag=tweetlnkukhpmg00000001) Jack Osbourne: 'US government is covering up the truth about UFOs' (https://www.postguam.com/lifestyles/entertainment/jack-osbourne-us-government-army-and-aerospace-contractors-are-covering-up-ufo-truth/article_52d2b096-baf3-5059-83d2-dc4f6868f758.html) Ukraine's astronomers report that they have been seeing UFOs 'everywhere' (https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkg3nb/ukraines-astronomers-say-there-are-tons-of-ufos-over-kyiv) NASA successfully smashes space probe into an asteroid (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-63039191) UFO appears in official logo of US aviation intelligence office (https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/flying-saucer-appears-on-u-s-aviation-intelligence-office-logo) US aviation intelligence office removes UFO from its official seal (https://comicbook.com/irl/news/department-defense-intelligence-ufo-logo-removed/) Woman heard 'fairy' laughter while lost in the woods in Ireland (https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/womans-terrifying-ordeal-after-hearing-25006288) October Elon Musk unveils his new Optimus robot at Tesla's AI Day (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/sep/30/tesla-optimus-humanoid-robot-elon-musk-ai-day) Robotics firms join commitment to ban weaponization of robots (https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/361158/robotics-firms-join-commitment-to-ban-weaponization-of-robots) Videos of 'Boston Dynamics' robot dog with machine gun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3drPEV0fmZw) Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (https://uk.bookshop.org/books/do-androids-dream-of-electric-sheep-the-inspiration-behind-blade-runner-and-blade-runner-2049/9781780220383) by Philip K Dick ("Do Robots Dream of Robotic Sheep?") One of the top costume ideas for 2022 is Avril Lavigne (https://theconversation.com/halloween-avril-lavigne-and-the-conspiracy-theory-that-refuses-to-die-176495) Paul McCartney is dead theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead) Kanye West fall from grace (https://autos.yahoo.com/kanye-west-fall-grace-includes-202800745.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAC-C7x_GfSVgahQdi9yy0DW4L5VlvtydyM3RiJnkrVrlN-RRZnd8MhsXx6YybRmhd131GD40z_DeahpdlC59cD0nhJITqcn8igld659w8_6uHRMpKduDwVNAKJ0CuZcx-Y3Wa6FmgtBUpgYWZxUNQBoM7VYPYJgwKJv9Iz2quA78) VYS0008 | To Hellier and Back - Vayse to Face with Will Salmon (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0008) VYS0009 | If There's Something Weird - Halloween 2022: Ghostbusters (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0009) The Sacred Trust (https://sacredtrust.org/) - UK-based not-for-profit educational organisation offering shamanic trainings and workshops on shamanism Ghostbusters (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQAljlSmjC8) Grandmother has Ouija boards handed out to attendees at her funeral (https://www.ladbible.com/news/iconic-grandmother-has-ouija-boards-given-out-at-her-funeral-20221020) Man falls ill after eating live crab to 'punish' it for pinching his daughter (https://www.scmp.com/news/people-culture/trending-china/article/3197174/i-wanted-revenge-chinese-man-becomes-seriously-ill-parasitic-infections-after-eating-live-crab) Scientists have spliced human brain tissue into the brains of rats (https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-spliced-human-brain-tissue-into-the-brains-of-baby-rats) Warhammer to be made into movie and TV show, starring Superman actor Henry Cavill (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63998585) November Oculus founder builds VR headset that kills the wearer if they die in-game (https://futurism.com/oculus-founder-vr-headset-kills) 11 school children pass out after Ouija board session in Colombia (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/11-children-found-collapsed-school-28459270) VYS0010 | Astounding Stories - Vayse to Face with Dr Allen H Greenfield Pt.1 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0010) VYS0011 | Weird Tales - Vayse to Face with Dr Allen H Greenfield Pt.2 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0011) VYS0012 | Order Out of Chaos - Vayse to Face with Mark Vincent (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0012) China's top-secret spaceplane has released an unknown object into orbit (https://spacenews.com/chinas-mystery-spaceplane-releases-object-into-orbit/) Secretive X-37b space plane returns to Earth after 908 days in orbit (https://www.cnet.com/science/space/space-forces-spunky-space-plane-lands-after-908-days-in-orbit/#:~:text=In%20May%202020%2C%20the%20US,to%20spend%20zipping%20around%20Earth.) NASA's Artemis I has successfully launched on its voyage to the Moon (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/nov/16/nasa-artemis-1-moon-rocket-launch-florida) December Pentagon's UFO office has received 'several hundred' new reports (https://apnews.com/article/politics-trending-news-7227512231fa206da624f813455c2f0b) A DJ, a rapper and a YouTuber are set to fly to the Moon on Musk's Starship (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-63912668) Bill Hicks – It's just a ride (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNEyLn1Zz_g) VYS0013 | A Vayse-man Came Travelling - Yule 2022 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0013) SideVayse: SVYS001 | Numinous Melancholy (https://www.vayse.co.uk/svys001) US Air Force unveils its new nuclear stealth bomber - the B-21 (https://www.forces.net/usa/us-air-force-unveils-new-700m-high-tech-b-21-raider-stealth-bomber) Santa's grotto uses polygraph to test if kids have been naughty or nice (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/santa-s-grotto-has-kids-take-lie-detector-tests-to-see-if-they-are-naughty-or-nice/ar-AA15biNv) 88-year-old walks into hospital with WWI shell stuck in his rectum (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ww1-shell-stuck-anus-hospital-evacuated/) Vayse BandCamp (https://vayse.bandcamp.com/releases) Michael-6: The Robot Talk Show Host (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWXVUJToubk) - from the criminally under-rated Peter Serafinowicz Show

Nesse episódio vou contar para vocês um pouco da história de um grande astrofísico que nos deixou em 2022, e que foi responsável por criar uma equação que é muito falada e comentada até os dias de hoje, mesmo ela tendo sido criada nos anos 1960, estou falando de Frank Drake e da sua famosa Equação de Drake. Vamos passar por todos os fatores da equação explicando o que é cada um deles e discutindo como esses fatores poderiam atualmente ser determinados, e as principais diferenças com a década de 1960 quando a equação foi criada. Espero que gostem e fica aqui a minha singela homenagem a Frank Drake.

Im Jahr 1960 nutzte der junge Astronom Frank Drake ein Radioteleskop, um zwei Monate lang nach Funksignalen kosmischer Zivilisationen zu lauschen. Er entdeckte nichts – begründete damit aber die Astrobiologie, die Erforschung von Leben im All.Von Dirk Lorenzenwww.deutschlandfunk.de, SternzeitDirekter Link zur Audiodatei

Are they here? What do they want? Is Joe a Reptilian? We'll we try to answer all of that and more in this week's episode of the 222 Paranormal Podcast. What has been spotted in Michigan? What is happening in space? Who can tell you all about it? We can of course! in this the 333rd episode, we cover interesting info on space, aliens and visits to Michigan. click here to go to joe's Book Click here to go to Jen's sales closet Click here to go to Michigan UFO Contact Convention Click here to go to Michigan MUFON PLEASE REMEMBER TO HIT SUBSCRIBE OR FOLLOW In this episode, we talk about the recent ad past occurrences of UFOs over Michigan. Did you know that Michigan has some of the biggest UFO cases on record? The 1966 sightings over Southeast Michigan and 1994 sightings over Grand Rapids each had literally hundreds of eyewitnesses to them, including law enforcement and radar returns. Find out more from the Michigan chapter of MUFON (Mutual UFO Network), about these incredible events as well as several other unusual and well-documented UFO sightings from the Great Lakes State. UFO activity never dies down it just changes over time. From the Airship flap to the Triangle crafts it evolves with time. Joe also talks about the Drake Equation The Drake equation is a probabilistic argument used to estimate the number of active, communicative extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way Galaxy. The equation was formulated in 1961 by Frank Drake, not for purposes of quantifying the number of civilizations, but as a way to stimulate scientific dialogue at the first scientific meeting on the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI). The equation summarizes the main concepts which scientists must contemplate when considering the question of other radio-communicative life. It is more properly thought of as an approximation than as a serious attempt to determine a precise number. The Drake equation is:   where N = the number of civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy with which communication might be possible (i.e. which are on the current past light cone); R∗ = the average rate of star formation in our Galaxy fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations) fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space. We also talk about the Fermi Paradox. The Fermi Paradox seeks to answer the question of where the aliens are. Given that our solar system is quite young compared to the rest of the universe — roughly 4.5 billion years old, compared to 13.8 billion — and that interstellar travel might be fairly easy to achieve given enough time, Earth should have been visited by aliens already, the idea goes.

Perry and David discuss some recent awards and general news and then take off in the Hugo Time Machine to visit the year 1969, when Stand on Zanzibar by John Brunner won the Best Novel award. Introduction (02:34) General News (08:39) 2022 Ursula K. Le Guin prize (01:13) 2022 Booker Prize winner (01:15) 2022 Shirley Jackson awards (01:10) 2022 Arthur C Clarke Award (00:44) Death of Frank Drake (04:07) Hugo Time Machine 1969 (01:03:04) Short Stories (05:39) The Beast That Shouted Love at the Heart of the World by Harlan Ellison (01:37) Other eligible works (03:36) Masks by Damon Knight (01:22) All the Myriad Ways by Larry Niven (00:28) Novelettes (08:03) The Sharing of Flesh by Poul Anderson (03:56) Other nominees (01:52) Mother to the World by Richard Wilson (01:12) Other eligible works (01:43) Novellas (06:48) Nightwings by Robert Silverberg (04:03) Other nominees (01:26) Hawk Among the Sparrows by Dean McLaughlin (01:00) Other eligible works (00:44) Novels (39:50) Nova by Samuel R. Delany (04:56) Past Master by R. A. Lafferty (04:16) Rite of Passage by Alexei Panshin (08:23) The Goblin Reservation by Clifford D. Simak (05:15) Stand on Zanzibar by John Brunner (10:02) Other eligible works (02:21) New Wave beginning to surge (03:26) Other Awards (01:00) Wind-up (01:51) Click here for more info and indexes. Illustration generated by Stable Diffusion

Perry and David discuss some recent awards and general news and then take off in the Hugo Time Machine to visit the year 1969, when Stand on Zanzibar by John Brunner won the Best Novel award. Introduction (02:34) General News (08:39) 2022 Ursula K. Le Guin prize (01:13) 2022 Booker Prize winner (01:15) 2022 Shirley Jackson awards (01:10) 2022 Arthur C Clarke Award (00:44) Death of Frank Drake (04:07) Hugo Time Machine 1969 (01:03:04) Short Stories (05:39) The Beast That Shouted Love at the Heart of the World by Harlan Ellison (01:37) Other eligible works (03:36) Masks by Damon Knight (01:22) All the Myriad Ways by Larry Niven (00:28) Novelettes (08:03) The Sharing of Flesh by Poul Anderson (03:56) Other nominees (01:52) Mother to the World by Richard Wilson (01:12) Other eligible works (01:43) Novellas (06:48) Nightwings by Robert Silverberg (04:03) Other nominees (01:26) Hawk Among the Sparrows by Dean McLaughlin (01:00) Other eligible works (00:44) Novels (39:50) Nova by Samuel R. Delany (04:56) Past Master by R. A. Lafferty (04:16) Rite of Passage by Alexei Panshin (08:23) The Goblin Reservation by Clifford D. Simak (05:15) Stand on Zanzibar by John Brunner (10:02) Other eligible works (02:21) New Wave beginning to surge (03:26) Other Awards (01:00) Wind-up (01:51) Illustration generated by Stable Diffusion

Good evening, it's time for the fright show! Welcome back Scott West to the show, as he and I cover the next two issues of The Tomb of Dracula! We really dig this series, and even though it's a bit disjointed early on from so many hands in the pot, we thoroughly enjoyed these books. We pick up right where we left off, with Dracula on the loose, and Frank Drake on the very edge! The new characters that enter the scene are fantastic, and a huge part of the book going forward.  As usual, you can reach out with any feedback through email at Magazinesandmonsters@gmail.com or to me on Twitter @Billyd_licious or on the FB page. You can find Scott on Twitter @ScottWest69 and definitely check out his book (click here for Amazon link)! Thanks for listening!  --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/magsnmonsters/message

Welcome back to another entry into the Tomb of Dracula! Join Scott and I as we tackle three big issues in this episode! We meet a bride of Dracula, a moorlands monster, and visit a hell dimension that even the count himself fears! The conclusion of the Ilsa Strangway story, plus Scott and I concoct a new drinking game when we read ToD, and Frank Drake's unwanted sexual advances. All of this and more, so join us!  As usual, if you need to leave any feedback you can do so through email at Magazinesandmonsters@gmail.com or to me on Twitter @Billyd_licious or on the FB page (just search for Magazines and Monsters). You can find Scott on Twitter @ScottMWest (and check out his book, Ghosts on the Highway)! Thanks for listening! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/magsnmonsters/message

Good Evening Welcome to the first episode of our brand new show all about the vampires of the comic book realm In our first episode, Russell and Justin excavate the TOMB OF DRACULA. Who is Frank Drake? And what does he want with Castle Dracula? The Count rises in this classic from the bronze age In addition, the crew review the 100 year old classic, Nosferatu. CREDITS Hosts: Russell Moran & Justin "the Owl" Osgood Edited by: Russell Moran Logo by: Knol Tate, with art by Gene Colan Special Thanks to... Matt Howell Jacob Balcom Rob H.

Met deze maand: Elektronische neus! DART! De IgNobelprijzen! Messen werpen! Illegale veranda's! Drake! Sound logo's! En veel meer... Shownotes: https://maandoverzicht.nerdland.be/nerdland-maandoverzicht-oktober-2022/ Gepresenteerd door Lieven Scheire met Els Aerts, Jeroen Baert en Kurt Beheydt. Montage: Els Aerts. Mixing: Jens Paeyeneers. (00:00:59) Vrouw die Parkinson kan ruiken werkt aan elektronische neus (00:06:37) Vrouw wordt vervolgd voor illegale abortus door Facebook berichten (00:16:43) Frank Drake overleden (00:21:51) Alweer geen Artemis I lancering (00:26:34) DART inslag op asteroïde (00:33:21) IgNobelprijzen zijn uitgereikt (00:33:47) IgNobel Kunstgeschiedenis (00:35:59) IgNobel Toegepaste Cardeologie (00:36:36) IgNobel Literatuur (00:37:12) IgNobel Biologie (00:39:40) IgNobel Geneeskunde (00:41:21) IgNobel Ingenieurswetenschappen (00:41:46) IgNobel Fysica (00:43:17) IgNobel Vrede (00:43:59) IgNobel Veiligheid (00:48:08) Getty images bans AI-generated content (01:04:30) Hoornaars met zendertjes (01:10:59) Stem Darth Vader komt nu uit AI (01:17:37) Amerikaanse astronaut vliegt mee met Soyuz (01:21:12) Musknieuws (01:21:23) Blue Origin safety abort (01:25:47) Space X en T-Mobile werken aan satellietinternet voor smartphones (01:27:28) BlueWalker 3 satelliet gelanceerd (01:29:09) Schaakdrama (01:37:38) Maker bouwt volautomatische messenwerper (01:42:11) Gamer maakt minecraft in minecraft (01:46:31) Wikimedia wil een Sound logo (01:57:21) Zoek een naam voor de NASA missie naar Uranus (02:00:11) Auto's met googly eyes maken verkeer veiliger (02:03:34) AI voor illegale veranda's (02:06:44) California beslist dat hommels vissen zijn (02:09:30) Lieven ging (eindelijk) naar de Okay Direct (02:13:11) Hetty toert met Missie 2022 (02:14:58) Nerdland voor kleine Nerds 2x in de Lotto Arena! (02:16:07) SPONSOR Fairy Positron

El último peldaño (30/09/2022) EL MAESTRO DEL TERROR Narciso (Chico) Ibáñez Serrador (Montevideo 1935-Madrid 2019) fue uno de los más grandes innovadores de la televisión en España, pero sobre todo fue un maestro del género del terror y del suspense, tanto en radio como en televisión y también en cine. Con sus obras consiguió estremecer a varias generaciones de españoles a los que hizo amar el misterio. En este programa Gabriel Carrión, escritor, periodista de investigación, director y colaborador de programas míticos de televisión, que trabajó con Chicho Ibáñez Serrador, nos habla del “maestro del terror” y de la importancia de la literatura de misterio, suspense y fenómenos extraños en la evolución de la cultura. EL HOMBRE QUE BUSCÓ INTELIGENCIAS EN LAS ESTRELLAS El 2 de septiembre pasado fallecía, la edad de 92 años, Frank Drake, el hombre que convirtió la búsqueda de vida inteligente en el universo en una rama de la ciencia. Drake formuló una de las ecuaciones mas famosas de la astrofísica, la que aventura el cálculo del número de posibles civilizaciones avanzadas que pueden existir entre las estrellas. Con nuestro colaborador Israel Ampuero, doctor en bioquímica, hablamos de la figura y obra de Frank Drake, dedicada a la búsqueda científica de inteligencias extraterrestres. Y ADEMÁS María Chicano nos trajo las noticias del mundo del misterio y de la ciencia. Con la colaboración de María José Garnández y María Chicano. Dirección y presentación: Joaquín Abenza. Blog del programa: http://www.elultimopeldano.blogspot.com.es/ WhatsApp: 644823513 Programa emitido en Onda Regional de Murcia.

The influential astronomer led the hunt for extraterrestrial signals and helped make the field of astrobiology what it is today.

The influential astronomer led the hunt for extraterrestrial signals and helped make the field of astrobiology what it is today.

"Du kan ikke komme op i rummet uden testudstyr. Det er måske ikke lige så sexet, som når Andreas Mogensen bliver sendt ud i rummet, men det er alfa og omega, at alt er gennemtestet, og at sikkerheden er i orden inden opsendelsen," siger Rovsings CEO, Hjalti Pall Thorvardarson. Rovsing leverer testudstyr til den aktuelle Artemis-mission, nærmere bestemt til det såkaldte European Service Module (ESM), som skal sørge for helt nødvendige forsyninger til rumkapslen – strøm, ilt, fremdrift og så videre. Det er altså ikke udstyr som skal med i rummet, men helt nødvendigt grej til at teste det som skal. Udover at fortælle om testprocedurerne løfter Hjalti også sløret for hvor komplekst og nogle gange bureaukratisk og tidskrævende det kan være, at arbejde som en del af sådan et stort projekt. I nyhederne fortæller vi blandt andet om gamle galakser og bæredygtighed i rumbranchen – og om et tosset feriecenter i Dubai – og så ser vi på om rumraketten i Tintin-albummene egentlig er helt realistisk? HUSK også, at der stadig er mulighed for at hjælpe os med at give din mening til kende i vores spørgeskema-undersøgelse (link nedenfor). God fornøjelse

This week, Editor-in-Chief Elliot Williams and Managing Editor Tom Nardi start off by talking about the chip shortage...but not how you think. With a list that supposedly breaks down all of the electronic components that the Russian military are desperate to get their hands on, we can see hackers aren't the only ones scrounging for parts. If you thought getting components was tricky already, imagine if most of the world decided to put sanctions on you. We'll also talk about kid-friendly DIY stereoscopic displays, the return of the rotary cellphone, and using heat to seal up 3D printed parts for vacuum applications. Join us as we marvel over the use of rubbery swag wristbands as tank treads, and ponder an array of AI-created nightmares that are supposed to represent the Hackaday writing crew. Finally we'll talk about two iconic legacies: that of the 3.5 inch floppy disk, and astrophysicist Frank Drake. Check out the links in the show notes!  

Fate ascoltare questa puntata ai vostri cani da tartufo!Puntata 424, condotta da Giuliana e Luca, alla scoperta di odori, intrecci e alieni...Luca ci parla di un recente studio che correla la capacità di instaurare “click friendships” (in italiano amicizie istantanee) in base all'odore. In particolare, come persone che emettono uno spettro di odori simili siano in grado di instaurare amicizie più velocemente, rendendoci più simili in questo ai nostri cugini primati.Per approfondire: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abn0154Nell'esterna tutta interna alla redazione, Romina e Antonello ci parlano della topologia del DNA. In particolare di come gli intricati avvolgimenti della molecola su se stessa, importantissimi a livello biologico, possano essere descritti in modo matematico. Inoltre scopriamo il ruolo delle topoisomerasi, enzimi che agiscono proprio sulla conformazione della molecola.Per approfondire: Mirkin, Sergei M. "DNA topology: fundamentals." Encyclopedia of Life Sciences 111 (2001): https://www.researchgate.net/file.PostFileLoader.html?id=51af200ad3df3e394900001f&assetKey=AS%3A272116866322437%401441889124957Infine Giuliana ci racconta chi era Frank Drake, recentemente scomparso, e quale potrebbe essere il futuro della ricerca di comunicazione con gli alieni, grazie alla meccanica quantistica.Per appronfondire: https://journals.aps.org/prd/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevD.105.123033

The Hot And Cold Past Of The Air Conditioner In the Northeast, the leaves have started changing colors, heralding the season of pumpkins, sweaters, and the smell of woodsmoke. But in some parts of the country, the heat hasn't let up. In cities like Dallas, Phoenix, and Miami, temperatures were up in the high 80s and low 90s this week—and with climate change, the U.S. is only getting hotter. But humans have come up with an ingenious way to keep the heat at bay: air conditioning. Widely considered one of the greatest engineering achievements of the 20th century, the technology has transformed how and where people live—and it's prevented countless deaths. But it comes at a cost, and if we're going to keep up with a warming climate, we're going to need some other tricks to stay cool. Remembering Frank Drake, Who Listened To The Cosmos Last week, astronomer and SETI pioneer Dr. Frank Drake died at the age of 92. Dr. Drake was a key figure in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence—from Project Ozma in 1960, to the founding of the SETI Institute. He collaborated on the ‘Golden Record' that Earth sent to the stars on board the Voyager space probes. Drake also created a mathematical way of estimating the probability of discovering signs of intelligent life, a calculation that became known as the Drake Equation, and spent years advocating for the search for alien life. Drake appeared on Science Friday many times over the years. Here, in excerpts from conversations recorded in 2010 and 2016, he talks with Ira about the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, and his role with the Voyager Golden Record project. Our condolences to his family, friends, and colleagues. Transcripts for each segment will be available the week after the show airs on sciencefriday.com.    

Space Nuts Episode 321 with Professor Fred Watson & Andrew Dunkley Andrew: Hello again. My name is Andrew Dunkley, the host of the Space Nuts podcast and joining me is Professor Fred Watson, astronomer at large. What's on this episode Fred?Fred: Magical episode as always, Andrew. We've got, the first exoplanet imaged by the James Webb Space Telescope. Really exciting to actually see directly the image of a planet for the first time. And we're going to talk about that well known asteroid impact experiment called DART, because we have news on that and some sad news as well about the passing of Professor Frank Drake of Drake Equation fame. Andrew: Yes, indeed, very sad news there, but lots to talk about on the very next episode and some audience questions as well. So, I hope you can stay with us for episode 321 of Space Nuts. If you'd like to check out Andrews new daily podcast, Astronomy Daily – The Podcast, just visit our website at https://spacenuts.io or our HQ at https://bitesz.com And now available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartradio, Pocketcasts and most other podcast apps.The Space Nuts Premium edition is now available on Spotify for our Supercast subscribers (sorry, Patreon isn't there yet…fingers crossed). To access the premium feed, just log in to your Spotify account and do a search. Use your current subscriber details to unlock the premium content. If you'd like to become a subscriber, just visit https://spacenuts.supercast.tech and sign up. You even get a 30-day free trial to see if it's right for you. Nothing to lose.For more Space Nuts, visit our websites. Links: https://linktr.ee/biteszHQ New: Listen to Space Nuts on your favorite app with the Universal listen link: https://spacenutspodcast.com/listen Are you a Discord fan? If so…come and join our ever-growing community. https://discord.gg/V4822WSmnJ

La tertulia semanal en la que repasamos las últimas noticias de la actualidad científica. En el episodio de hoy: Espectacular avistamiento de Starlink (min 5:00); Problemas con la criogenia del LHC (13:30); Detección de CO2 en un exoplaneta (20:30); Adiós a Frank Drake. Orígenes de SETI y ecuación de Drake (31:00); Embriones sintéticos a partir de células madre (1:37:00); Subestructura en las burbujas de Fermi (1:55:00); NNPDF y la componente de quark encanto en el protón (2:13:30); Señales de los oyentes (2:38:40) . Contertulios: Sara Robisco, Gastón Giribet, Francis Villatoro, Héctor Socas. Portada gentileza de Manu Pombrol. Todos los comentarios vertidos durante la tertulia representan únicamente la opinión de quien los hace... y a veces ni eso. CB:SyR es una actividad del Museo de la Ciencia y el Cosmos de Tenerife. Museos de Tenerife apoya el valor científico y divulgativo de CB:SyR sin asumir como propios los comentarios de los participantes.

With so many great stories out there at the moment we want to make sure that we didn't miss anything which has been on our mind, so no main feature this week, just lots of different things to talk about. Including:Don Lind Obituary: https://www.space.com/nasa-astronaut-don-lind-obituary Frank Drake Obituary: https://www.space.com/seti-pioneer-frank-drake-obituary Fred Haise New Website: http://fredhaise.space/ Emily's latest blog about Freddo's Website: https://medium.com/the-making-of-an-ex-nuke/i-will-make-it-fred-haises-new-website-reveals-space-history-treasure-trove-30988458c52e Apollo Remastered: https://www.apolloremastered.com/bio And all the latest space flight news.Full show notes: https://spaceandthingspodcast.com/podcast/stp106-so-much-to-talk-about-remembering-don-lind-and-frank-drake-apollo-remastered-freddos-new-website-and-much-moreShow notes include links to all articles mentioned and full details of our guest, plus videos of any launches.Image Credits: NASA, Andy Saunders, NRAO/NSF/AUI, Smithsonian Press, Open Road Media.Space and Things:Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/spaceandthings1Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/spaceandthingspodcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/spaceandthingspodcast/Merch and Info: https://www.spaceandthingspodcast.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/SpaceandthingsBusiness Enquiries: info@andthingsproductions.comSpace and Things is brought to you And Things Productions https://www.andthingsproductions.comSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/spaceandthings. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

SM7PresComLim - El 2 de septiembre de 2022 fallecía a sus 92 años de edad el astrónomo Frank Drake, pionero en la búsqueda SETI y creador de la famosa Ecuación de Drake. Escucha el episodio completo en la app de iVoox, o descubre todo el catálogo de iVoox Originals

Guest: David A. Rothery is professor of planetary geosciences at the Open University and he joins John to commemorate the US astrophysicist Frank Drake who came up with an equation to estimate – how many intelligent civilisations should there be in our galaxy right now?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Astronomy Daily – The PodcastShow NotesS01E09Astronomy Daily – The Podcast is now available on Apple Podcasts and Spotify:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/astronomy-daily-the-podcast/id1642258990 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2kPF1ABBW2rCrjDlU2CWLW Tuesday September 6, 2022Join Andrew Dunkley and his feisty AI Co-host Halley (no surname) as they bring you todays space, astronomy, and science news in an easy to digest podcast.Stories featured in this episode:The latest Artemis 1 NewsThe Dart mission – can we deflect a planet killing asteroid in time?Frank Drake passes away in CaliforniaA Chinese nuclear reactor designed for use in space, passes its performance evaluation.The James Webb Space Telescope discoveries keep on coming. This time it's captured pictures of strange unexplained rings around WR140. Just what are they?Witnessing the death of a star.Could Earth be knocked out of its orbit and leave the solar system? We have the answer…And in further sad news, Don Lind – former NASA astronaut who helped plan the first man walk on the moon, passes away at 92.If you'd like to find out more about the stories featured in today's show, you can read today's edition of the Astronomy Daily Newsletter at any of our websites – www.spacenutspodcast.com , www.bitesz.com or go directly to www.astronomydaily.io – subscribe and get the new edition delivered to your mailbox or RSS reader every day….it's free from us to you.Please subscribe to the podcast and if you have a moment, a quick review would be most helpful. Thank you…#space #astronomy #science #podcast #astronomydaily #spacenuts #spacetime #jwst

There seems to be this trend in astronomy circles to report the discovery of alien planets. Many of these so called planets are always being reported in the news and the mainstream news always seems to find itself just left of center from Drakes' equation.Many decades ago a scientist named Frank Drake turned a radio telescope on a nearby star and listened for a message hoping for an alien civilization. This of course was the beginning—the search for extra terrestrial intelligence began and since that time mainstream science has been very quiet on the matter. However lately amateur astronomers have been able to produce remarkable evidence to show that there is something out there and yet the controlled information about space delivers no confirmation, not even recognition.Originally Broadcast On 12/09/2011

Are we alone in the universe? It's a question we've been asking for millennia. Now we're on the cusp of learning the answer. Frank Drake—one of the most vocal (and brilliant) askers—has spent the past six decades inspiring others to join him in this quest. Now, a new generation of scientists is carrying his work forward. They're finally being taken seriously, and they're about to change the way we think about our place in the cosmos. For more information on this episode, visit natgeo.com/overheard. Want more? Space isn't the only place to explore when scientists are looking for alien life; it's also important to go underground—here on Earth. Find out why on another episode of Overheard. Breakthrough Listen is reaching beyond our galaxy to determine whether or not there is life in space. The project is audacious—and worth following closely. Frank Drake and Carl Sagan had a legendary friendship and professional relationship. One of their many projects was to create another kind of cosmic road map meant to show aliens how to find us.  Also explore: In 1977, NASA sent a set of Golden Records to space attached to two Voyager spacecraft. Carl Sagan, Frank Drake, and a team of inspired scientists decided what they should contain. Here's the music that's flying outside of our solar system right now. Thanks to another kind of map, it's possible to see just how far those radio signals have traveled since leaving our planet over a hundred years ago. So far, they've traveled about 200 light-years—and no one has heard them yet. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Conoce la historia de la primera vez que se intentó detectar señales de civilizaciones extraterrestres, por parte de Carl Sagan y Frank Drake. Escucha además la anécdota de los humanos a Saturno, la cultura espacial del cuadro de Galileo y Viviani, y el desafío de este episodio. Escríbeme a laika.podcast@gmail.com / sígueme en Instagram: @laika.podcast

Host Dave Schlom visits with the 2022 recipient of the Frank Drake Award from the SETI Institute, Dr. Shelley Wright.

Patty Krawec  so I just finished reading The Disordered Cosmos by Chanda Prescod-Weinstein so then when I came across Hilding, came across Hilding a few weeks ago about Indigenous stargazing. Mi’kmaq astronomer and tell us about yourself and about Indigenous stargazing.Hilding Neilson Yeah, so I'm Hilding, I'm Mi’kmaq and settler from a group in Newfoundland. That's where my family's from the west coast of the island. Got my PhD at the University of Toronto in astrophysics, did some research back as a contract backdating astronomer, working in the Department of Astronomy, just next door to AW Peet. And I've been really interested in trying to bridge a lot of initiatives in astronomy that we don't really talk about that much, which is Indigenous knowledges. If I were to show you a textbook, you know, like a 500 page tome of astronomy knowledge from cosmology, the exoplanet, there'd be two pages on Indigenous knowledges. And we'd be sharing those two pages with Stonehenge, and New Grange in Ireland. And they'll be talking about perhaps the Mayan Astronomy, or maybe Hawai’ian navigators. And it will be spoken about as if we're past tense, as if Indigenous people don't exist. And then it will be like, “now on to the real science.” And, you know, a few years ago, I got to attend a national meeting of Canadian astronomers, and a Cree astronomer educator, Wilfer Buck, was presenting, and he gave a talk to the audience, discussing all these Cree stories, beautiful Cree stories. The Bear constellation with three dog constellation. And us seeing all this knowledge that we don't talk about in academic spaces. And I'm just sitting there wondering like, WTF is our knowledge? Where's Indigenous wisdom, Mi’kmaq knowledge? Where are the constellations? Why don't we talk about that? And so this sort of became of this giant rabbit hole that I've been going through trying to find different knowledges and Indigenous methodologies, and trying to create new space in academic astronomy for more Indigenous knowledges, though, granted, that mostly focused on the North American Carolinian peoples. There's just too much out there to try to do everything. And so hopefully now in the fall, we'll be launching our new course on Indigenous astronomy, that will be a senior level course talking of issues around colonization and astronomy, whether that's dealing with telescopes on Earth or going out to Mars, talking about knowledges, and then Indigenous methodologies. You know, how would an Indigenous, how would Indigenous peoples think about the concepts like the Drake Equation. Like we asked the question, how many advanced civilizations are there? And, noting that “advanced civilization” has its own problems with terminology, are there in our galaxy? And, you know, some dude named Frank Drake in the 1960s came up this whole way of kind of thinking about this through an equation. And all the assumptions presently require things like, what's intelligent life? How does life form? What is a civilization? And if we just step back and think back to, you know, how different Indigenous communities would think about these things and what does that mean? And there are ways of going through these kind of thought processes. One of the simple aspects of the Drake Equation is, you know, how long civilizations sort of last that can communicate. And Frank Drake, you know, was doing this during the Cold War. So, you know, the biggest fear was nuclear bombs. So he was suggesting maybe a century to 1000 years that's the length societies exist Now that we're in the era of climate change, probably, the same numbers apply. But, you know, I remember when seeing this meme a few years ago of “Canada- 150;  Mi’kmaq- 13,000.” Patty Krawec: Right. Hilding Neilson: So you know, if Western civilization’s got about a century, perhaps Indigenous civilizations have 10s of 1000s of years.Hilding Neilson And you know, that's tens of thousands of  years longer to exist. It means many more Indigenous type, or Indigenous life possibilities of intelligent civilizations in our galaxy. So just thinking from an Indigenous perspective, using–and trying not to really be pan-Indigenous–But, you know, common methodologies that you can have so many more civilizations in our galaxy, if you think about it, through those lenses of different Indigenous nations relative to traditional western science. And we could probably play through this exercise through different elements in astronomy and physics. And I think this sort of helped create this critical lens, again, around how we talk about astronomy and astrophysics, because it's become so Eurocentric, so westernized, so much in this narrative of “Space Cowboys, Colonizing Mars, Planting a flag, Sending messages out to other worlds,” that were really embodied within the same colonial narrative in the last four or five centuries, that I think we're due now to actually start thinking about it from a from a broader context.Patty Krawec  There were two things that Chanda talked about, and I kind of tweeted about it. Because one of the things that she mentions, is Euclidean, she's talking about Euclidean geometry, just you know, to bring it way down to super simple stuff. For all the non-physicists in the room. What she's talking about is that we're thinking in terms of, you know, Euclidean geometry is, you know, squares have a certain number of angles inside them. And triangles always add up to 180. But then, when we map that onto a curved space, that doesn't work, the triangle no longer adds up to 180. And yet, we live on a curved planet, underneath a curved sky. And we think in terms of these, you know, of these flat, you know, these these flat geometries, which got me thinking, you know, which got me thinking about the way colonisation worked, carving up the countries into these little squares to give away chunks of land. And they're carving up spaces that are curved, you know, they're carving rivers in half, and hills in half. And, you know, just because the lines match up, and they're mapping this grid and starting this, this disconnection, and we do that to the sky, we kind of chart it off in ways that aren't super helpful. I mean, they're helpful if you want to lay claim to it, if you want to, like you say, plant your flag in it, then it's very helpful to map it out that way. But in terms of relationship, in terms of understanding how things connect together, is not super helpful. So how does, I guess, how does the night sky change? When we look at it through Indigenous eyes?Hilding Neilson I think if we look at the night sky, and start the traditional Greco Roman, we have all these constellations defined by this International Astronomical Union. So ADA constellations. And this was done on, around the beginning of the 1900s, by a British guy, a German guy and a French guy. So it’s a bad joke already. And when this happened, they kind of, like you said, they carved it up. They used Greek stories, they made up and borrowed some constellations from different parts, particularly for the southern hemisphere, where they completely imported their own belief system into those constellations. But in doing so, they also sanitized a lot of the Greek and Roman stories. You know, there are Greek and Roman stories for Ursa Major, Ursa Minor and Cepheus, and all these different constellations. But when we did this mapping, which was solely for convenience for people with telescopes, who want to do the observing and had to know where to look, it became, turned into nothing. You know, it took all the, it took our connections away from it, from a European,in the European sense. And when that became transplanted over here, you know, the Mi’kmaq, where there's Ursa Major, the Mi’kmaq also have a bear constellation. The Cree have a Bear constellation. Lots of cultures in the world have bear constellations around what we would call the Big Dipper today. Patty Krawec: Really, we all looked at that and saw a bear.Hilding Neilson Many, yeah, to many, it's a bear and hunters.Patty Krawec: That’s neat.Hilding Neilson: A bear in a tail, sometimes bear and cubs. There's a lot of commonalities like that. And, but the problem is that this was designed solely to erase Indigenous cultures and Indigenous knowledges. And for me, like the Mi’kmaq, for many Indigenous peoples in what is today Canada, you know, what is in the sky, it's kind of a reflection of the land below; your knowledge is localized. And so if we basically say that constellation is Ursa Major, and your knowledge doesn't count, that's all about removing us, removing us from the land, just as much of that–maybe not as much as actually literally removing us from the land, but it's, it's part of that disconnection. And, and so that erasure is a part of the problem. And I think that, you know, for my own self, like, I didn't get to grow up within a community, you know, most people, most Mi’kmaq in Newfoundland, we were kind of away from most of the communities. Just where Newfoundland was. And in that respect, you know, how do we kind of understand those constellations? Yeah, I only know one or two Mi’kmaq constellations. I don't think I can name all 88 European constellations, but I can name a lot of them. I could probably name a few of the Cree constellations, thanks to, you know, listening to Wilfred Buck and reading his stories. And so trying to reclaim that knowledge is also kind of important, because that's part of our connection to the land. And you know, what, the constellations I see here, where I'm sitting in Toronto, or Tkaronto, are different than if I go to the far north, or if I go to the southern hemisphere. You know, if I go to Australia, the moon looks completely different. You know, for someone coming from Australia to here, the moon looks like it's upside down, and vice versa. And so the stories change, and our connection and our relations to these, to these special objects change. And that's, that's one of the unfortunate repercussions of the legacy of colonization with respect to the night sky. And then another thing, I think, relates to that, not just the constellations, but it's the light pollution.Patty Krawec Oh, yes.Hilding Neilson: So, you know, I like to joke, you know, I live in Toronto, if I step out onto my balcony, I might see five stars in the night. One of them might be on CBC TV. You know, they, they're just so few you can see. So you just lose that connection in this void of installedl light? Patty Krawec: Yes. Hilding Neilson: And how do we, you know, so I can't see the Milky Way, or what in Mi’kmaq would be a spirit road, which is also a spirit path for many other cultures, you know? So how do you connect to the ancestors, in that respect. all these things..Patty Krawec  Really, that's actually a really interesting point. Then eventually, I'll let Kerry get a word in edgewise. She's just here smiling and nodding and taking it all in the way she does. Because that's something like when I think about language, right, there's something residential schools took from us. And then if, you know, so if, in your cosmology, you believe that you need to speak the language, or the spirits won't understand what you're saying, how do you show gratitude? They can't hear you. And then if you die, and you don't speak the language, then the spirits won't recognize you. And so removing language in that way, you know, kind of cuts us off. And then as you were talking about not being able to see the night sky, the, you know, the stars, are our ancestors, and after reading Chanda’s book, they are in a very real sense. You know, really, you know, they really are our ancestors, they really are our relatives, you know, in a very literal kind of way, you know, very material kind of way. But that light pollution, that also cuts us off from them, cuts us off from being able to see them in the way that our, you know, our ancestors walking this earth, saw and understood themselves to exist. You know, kind of beneath the sky in relation in relationship to the sky. So that's, yeah, she asks that in her book, like what would it take for our communities to see, to see the stars. What would it take? Reflecting on her own having to be driven outside of LA for a, you know, two, three hour drive to be able to see. What would it take for our children, you know, for our communities? What changes do we need to make for them to be able to see the night sky? We're going to the National Park in Nova Scotia this summer, and I found out that it's a dark sky preserve. So I had to rearrange our travel plans, so that we will be there during the new moon so well, there's no moon and there'll be no moon in the sky. I've never seen the stars like that. This is going to be amazing. Hilding Neilson: Yeah. Patty Krawec: And I'm 55. And I've, and there will be a whole night sky that I've never experienced, that my father had. My father did, from growing up in northern Ontario. Like, it's that, it's that tangible. It’s that recent. For a lot of us. Not for all of us, but for a lot of us.Hilding Neilson:Yeah, no, I mean, you know, I haven't been home to visit my family, since before the, these end times, COVID. And, you know, when going home and seeing the night sky and seeing what is essentially billions of lights over your head, it's completely transforming and different and far more reassuring. In my mind, it's like, it feels more like a blanket. And, you know, there's a greater universe, there's relations, you know, Western science did get it right when Carl Sagan said we are made, we are made of star stuff. Just like Cree people, we are star, you know, star people. You know, it's all true. And we have that connection when you're sitting in Toronto and just basking in that eerie orange glow. You know, I think we miss out on so much. And I think it also negatively impacts how we, how we understand things like astronomy, physics. Even from a Western sense, the great, the great astronomers in Europe or even in, you know, China and India. And, you know, if you only think about it from true, purely Indigenous North American sense, you know, everyone had that kind of perspective of the night sky, they could observe it. If they had the telescopes or lenses or instruments, they can see these things, learn to connect, and figure out how they want to connect with it. Whereas today, in Toronto, there's no way to connect to the night sky. Unless I want to use a computer and then log onto a planetarium software. That's sort of what I think that's sort of what our children have to deal with today is, it's easier to see the constellations through a computer software than it is to go outside.Patty Krawec  Well, and even what they see is filtered right? Like I've got that Stargaze, that star map app on my phone. So because I don't, I can recognize the Big Dipper on a good night. Really I’m not very good at it.Hilding Neilson: I’m honestly not much better.Patty Krawec: But you know, I hold up my phone, and I can find it, I can find it that way. And I kind of map out “Oh, that's where this is. And that's where that is.” But they're all…They're not the Cree constellations. You know, they're not…they're not the Igbo, or Yoruba constellations. They're not the Anishinaabe constellations; they're not the way our ancestors would have seen the night sky. They're organized and collated in a way, you know, in a European way. And all those disconnected stories.Hilding Neilson: 28:04Our constellations aren't static, either. I mean, sometimes, you know, in Mi’kmaq, we have the story of the bear, and the bear changes throughout the year. You know, in the winter, the bear is on his back, as a spirit, and in the summer, it’s running across the land. Some of the constellations have different meanings at different times of the year, whereas the European constellations are static, kind of locked in forever, or as forever as they want it to be. So, you know, I think we've kind of missed out on a lot of dynamic aspects of these constellations that come from the motions of the Earth around the Sun, or the rotation of the earth. And motions of sky around us. And so so there's a lot, I think, a lot more depth in eliminating Indigenous constellations that we don't see. Relative to the European.Kerry Goring I, this conversation is… I'm loving so many points, there's so many things that you guys have touched that I've kind of been like, yeah, right. Um, what comes to mind for me when I think about it, is how, what you mentioned very early on, the idea of building of, of the erasure, you know, the way that when you were talking about that $500 500 Page textbook, that would just, you know, mention maybe two pages of the ancient ways or of Indigenous cultures showing up in those books. And what I find fascinating about that, is that we know that ancient cultures actually are, actually really had mapping and stargazing down to a science, down to a detailed finite way that they were building architecture and buildings to map and and offer that space up. And so it's kind of like a little tiny bit of a pet project, but I really enjoy talking about this from an ancient space. And what comes to mind for me is even these knowledges that weren't, or Europeans have suppressed or have not allowed, or colonization has suppressed and not allowed us to expand into. Take, for example, the Dogon tribe, which is an African tribe that existed and was kind of, was very much removed from, you know, civilization or from colonialism until the early 1900s. And I'm sure you can explain a lot more about this, but they knew about the constellation or the the star system, Sirius, sorry, they knew about Sirius B, was it? Was it that they found and could map Sirius B before Europeans even knew it existed, and they speak about it from their own ancient traditions, you know, it goes into a whole other realm, which I'm really into. But the idea that they were given the gifts from their, you know, from their gods that came down and told them how to map the star systems. And they had no modern day interactions to be able to have known that it existed, except for from some sort of knowledge that must have been ancient to them. And I think about when we talk about this, this idea of the erasure, how much of the truth of how the history of our planet, the history of our species, understanding the relationships that exists between us, the stars, space and the universe, are being affected, because we have been narrowed down and washed down into–what I love Patty, when you were talking about the idea of a two dimensional space–instead of knowing the curvature of our lands, and knowing the curvature of the skies? How much of us is not being met, or the truth of us is being so lost in those spaces?Hilding Neilson: Definitely true, I've heard the story of the Dogon, and to put it in context, Sirius A is one of the brightest stars in the night sky, and Sirius B is what's called a white dwarf star, which is really small, compact, and is essentially the dead remainder of a star that has lost most of its material. And so today, you can only really see Sirius B with the telescope. Now, I don't really know much about the Dogon story, because, as I understand, it came through from French anthropologists, and as soon as I hear the word anthropologist, I tend to tune out. But yeah, that is very possible, and very likely, they did know better, because it might have been a star bright enough to the human eye 10,000 years ago, or 20,000 years ago, or even 100,000 years ago. And there are stories like that that come up all the time. You know, there are stories of a Paiute story from the West Coast about how the North Star came to be. And it is a son of the chief who's climbing a mountain, loves climbing mountains. And he finds this really hard peak to climb. And he keeps going around in circles, circles, and circles trying to find a way up the mountain but it’s so hard. Eventually he finds an opening and goes through the cave, and climbs away to the top. But unfortunately, when he gets to the top, there was a, there was an avalanche and the cave closed and he's trapped on the mountain. And that story can literally be interpreted as procession of the star. Because our what we call the North Star today wasn't always the North Star. It had to go around and around around. And so we see these long time domains. And that's one of the things that's very valuable in astronomy. There are stories in Anishinaabe, about heartberry stars, which are red supergiants, that change brightness. And the same very similar stories are seen in different Indigenous Australian nations about these things. And a ton of Indigenous knowledge is carried so much time domain, that, you know, if I think, you know, if Western astronomers just sat down and listened, we would learn a lot about these knowledges and about the history of the universe. Because it was only a couple centuries ago where we were, where the popular dogma was that the astronomy or space was static, and that it was unchanging. But yeah, that wasn't part of, I think, the Indigenous way.Patty Krawec  What's possible just to come back, you know, to what you had said about you know, when you hear anthropologist, you kind of, because yeah, I mean, they just they get so much wrong because they've got this particular lens that they're trying to jam the story into. So because then like the Anishinaabeg word for North actually means “goes home” and it contains, according to elders, it contains the idea of the glaciers going home, which meant we knew that they weren't always, you know, so during the last ice age, we knew that they had come from the north and gone back, which suggests knowledge of well over, you know, you know, 10-15,000 years because we didn't just know they were there, we knew where they'd come from, we knew that they went back. So it's the same, you know, with the star, maybe they knew it 10,000, 15,000, 20,000 years ago, their language contained the story of this star that is no longer visible, but it was back then. And so when the French anthropologist heard it, they're like, Oh, the stars have always looked like this. Therefore, these people couldn't have figured it out on their own. It must have been aliens telling them about it. Must have been… Hilding Neilson: Yeah Patty Krawec: couldn't have known it themselves, and yet, they did. so that's really, but I hadn't put those things together. That's really neat. So yeah, and we're. Yeah, so we had a question in the chat. So if you could, I don't even know what it means. But I'm gonna, I'm gonna let you answer that.Hilding Neilson: If we look at the Western constellation Orion, on one of the shoulders was a very red star called Betelgeuse. And this is a famous red supergiant that is near the end of its life. And when it finally dies, it's going to explode as a supernova. And it’s going to be so bright, we'll probably see during the day. Like it'd be, it could be about as bright as Venus. Patty Krawec: WowHilding Neilson: And so this is not the first star that has ever done this, blown up like that. And as opposed to being bright enough and close enough that we could see it. There have been other instances, around the year 1000, there was a star in what was called the Crab Nebula. In terms of Indigenous stories, I've only heard of one. And I can't confirm it, because the times that I was given in the story, don't line up with the astronomical knowledge, but it’s possible. So I was contacted by someone in Mi’kma’ki telling me about the Mi’kmaq flag. And the Mi’kmaq flag is a white flag with a cross and a star and a moon. And the person was telling me that the stars in the moon reflect a catastrophic, catastrophic event or timeframe, where people were struggling and there was starvation. But it was because there was a bright star in the sky that didn't belong there in a constellation that Europe called Cygnus. And he said, this was about 2000 years ago. I was very curious, because the fact that he took, the person told me the constellation, I'm like, I had to look this up. And there is a remnant of a star that was there, but that's, our best estimates’ that it exploded around 20,000 years ago. Now, I don't know, everybody tells time different, stories change. So maybe it's related. We know from more recently, there's a very popular one called the Crab Nebula, which is the explosion about 1000 years ago, that appears on historical records from around the world. It has been linked to the city Cahokia. in what is today Mississippi, I believe, which was a large Indigenous city there. I don't know how true that is. But people have tried to link the two events’ timescales. But as seen, seen a lot of Korean and Chinese texts, where they note that there's a new star in the sky. And so, but funnily enough, it never appeared in European texts that I'm aware of. It has happened, and I think we see these, these stories do occur. I'm not really familiar with too many of them. I'm trying to think if there's any, I can't think of any others off the top of my head. But, you know, even just a few years ago, or a few 100 years ago, you know, the heyday of Isaac Newton, and then, you know, that was a big deal for a lot of astronomers, was to find these new stars, supernovae and so like, you know, Kepler and Deacon Brian and these famous white scientists in Europe, spent time and found a few. Not aware of any stories, Indigenous stories that are being linked to these events. I'm sure they're there.patty krawec  39:16Yeah, yeah, we just need to listen to the stories and sometimes it's, it's the way we hear them. Right. Like, it's understanding like, remember, we talked with Del Lessin some time ago about they're basically rebuilding the Catawba language. And there was a story about oh, I think it was a rabbit. And it caught, you know, things caught on fire. And it, you know, and it sounded like just kind of this funny story about this rabbit dragging fire through a field. But what it actually contained was agricultural knowledge about agricultural burning. And there was a plant, a sunflower-type plant, that has an edible tuber and required…So the story contains all of this knowledge that they didn't initially recognize because of language loss because of culture loss, it just seemed like an interesting story.And so, you know, that now they understand is actually something that contains agriculture, you know, important agricultural knowledge, which then makes you go back and look at the other stories. What knowledge is in there, that we're not getting, because we've lost so much contact context? and like you had said about the Greek stories and stuff that are put up into the constellation, even those are stripped. You know, even in the process of colonizing the sky, they still stripped meaning from it, we don't even get good stories, we just get kind of these stripped-down, sanitized picture books. But the real story is there, like it's there. And in our stories, in our cosmology, we just need to…we just need to listen differently, and look at and look at them differently. And some of that is… how did you start shifting your lens? Because you talked about not not growing up surrounded, you know, by a Mi’kmaq community. How did you start shifting your lens?Hilding Neilson It really wasn't that long ago. You know, I'm fully trained in the Western system of astronomy. And I think really hit off when I had that interaction with Wilfred Buck, not seeing any Indigenous Knowledges. And then just diving into some of the great works, you know, the works, Murray Battista, Gregory cathead, all these great Indigenous science experts talking about all these different ideas and ways of thinking, and perspectives. And I always have to step back and be like, Whoa, what am I? Why am I doing? Why am I thinking about this question this way? Why am I thinking about stellar physics this way? Or quantum mechanics that way? You know, all these things are coming together. And you kind of have to question, I mean, it's really only been like the last four or five years where I've really been trying to relearn everything. And for the most part, I feel like I've done a whole other PhD.patty krawec  42:19So let's talk about quantum mechanics for a minute, because that's, or maybe longer, because that’ll take a minute just to explain what that is. Because I was reading Lawrence Gross, and he has this book called Anishinaabe Ways of Knowing and Being, and I have to get it out again, it's actually behind me on my bookshelf, because there's a chapter in there where he talks about how in the Anishinaabe worldview and way of thinking–and the Mi’kmaq and Anishinabeg are cousins. You know, we migrated east and I guess made relatives and came back. So we're, you know, we're cousins, but he says that our worldview is much closer to kind of a quantum mechanic way of understanding things. And I've read his chapter. I've read Chanda. It's still just outside my grasp. Hilding Neilson: YeahKerry Goring  this is just a really, really smartpatty krawec Two people in the chat are like, Wow, I love quantum mechanics. So yeah, do it!Hilding Neilson Yeah, yeah. So quantum mechanics is one of those things I'm always afraid to talk about, because I don't understand quantum mechanics either. I suspect most people in physics and astronomy don't actually understand quantum mechanics, we just do the math and hope for the best.Patty Krawec  AW says they are a quantum mechanic.Kerry Goring  And that's interesting, because I had just listened… I'm laughing about that, because I had just listened to a talk with a physicist named Sean. What is Sean last name? Hilding Neilson: Sean Carroll?Kerry Goring: Sean Carroll. Yes. And he was talking about that. And I thought it was fascinating that physicists are more concerned with the application, is that a better way of putting it? Versus actually an overall grasp of what they're actually…what actually it is? And that was like mind blowing to me to know that it's, we just assume, there's like this assumption that this works. But nobody's really looked at what makes it work, if that makes…or we're looking at what makes it work, but not why it's there. Does that make sense? Sort of? I think?Hilding NeilsonI think it makes perfect sense. I think, I think we do focus a lot on the how it works, as opposed to why it’s doing what it's doing. And I think from very much this, astronomers’ perspective, which is quantum mechanics is something you try to do your best to approximate and not actually work with. You just try to work around it. We think so much from this classical Euclidean sense and quantum mechanics is completely counterintuitive to that. Whereas most Indigenous knowledges that are coming to grasp how everything is very much about relative, like how things relate between you and I. How I observe something is very different from how you observe something, and that both truths can be true. Whereas in the West, we think everything has to be an absolute truth, which defies quantum mechanics because quantum mechanics of the particle has some speed and some place, but you can't really tell which is which. And, and so a lot of these respects, I feel like Indigenous knowledges have an easier time with quantum mechanics, because I think Indigenous knowledge is a little more relaxed about not knowing things; it's okay that there are mysteries. Whereas in the West, having a mystery is the worst thing possible. You know, it, it has to be explainable, has to be reducible. It has to be objective, and, like, I have trouble with quantum mechanics. I listen to Sean Carroll, fairly regularly, you know, I love his, his writing and words, and he signed it as “many worlds theory,” where you get, where if you observe a quantum event, depending on how you observe it, the universe branches. And then like, are we literally increasing the number of universes to help us explain how we don't know something? And we kind of do that we, when we don't understand something locally, we tend to make things bigger. We don't, we don't understand evolution. So we make evolutionary changes smaller, over a longer time, time periods. It works. We don't understand cosmology? Make the universe older. Or you don't understand why cosmology works? So well, we just create a multiverse. You know, one of the explanations of how we're, that we can live in a universe that seems to work, is that there's lots of universes. And there's just so many of these things like that, I think, you know, my understanding of Indigenous people is, we live in a universe that works, where things are just perfect for us to exist, because we exist, it has to be that way. That's how we're related, that's how our relation with the universe. Whereas if you're in the West, you have the axiom that the universe doesn't care about us, that we, you know, the fact that we exist should just be a fluke. For the fact that we live in a universe that’s just right. Can't, doesn't make sense. And I have colleagues who get really stressed out by this question. And given, given to the point, they try to pull out their hair, which, given that no one’s had a haircut in a long time, might be useful. But they just struggle with this, and they don't like it. So sometimes they come up with the multiverse theory where we have, where we are in one universe in a bubble of others. And there are other reasons to expect the multiverse. AW Peet is much more of an expert on that than I am, for instance, I'd rather, I'd rather defer to them. But please let AW jump in. There's just so many of these things that I think Indigenous knowledges learn to accept, because it's part of being in relation. And our relationality is what makes, allows for these things to work. I think with quantum mechanics, it’s a little more difficult, because it's, we also accept there's a mystery, but there is fuzzy truth, when there's multiple truths that can can coexist at the same time. Whereas in the West, everything has to be objectively true. I do experiment, you do experiment, you should get the same answer. Yeah. And that objectivity doesn't quite work. Otherwise. Patty Krawec: Oh, okay.Hilding Neilson: but that's sort of the best I can come up with, by kind of b.s.ing a lot. You know, but Yeah, cuz I'm really speaking not in my best. Yeah.Kerry Goring  I love that you, you know, took the attempt, and I think you did beautifully with it. I appreciate you, kind of, tackling it. Because I think what I love about that is it's almost from this layman's space with a plus, because you definitely know more than we do. But what I, when I think about this, and then we put it into the space of our Indigenous, and you know, my Afro-centric cultures, it does come from that acceptance, that mystery is real, and with that, offers the simplicity to be in relation with all of those spaces. And what I mean by “spaces” is the universe, the stars, the earth, how we stand on the earth, the relationship that we have with, you know, the animals on our planes, all of those things have an interconnected sense that is wrapped in the mystery. And so, when we, like, I totally believe in the scientific, scientific method and I, you know, I understand that being a space that we have as a template to work from, but I do sometimes think that that part of it, the idea of the acceptance, that some of it is still to be revealed. And being okay in that is lacking in the way that we exist. And so what happens with that is that it's exactly that idea of disregarding, you know, or just pretending that that mystery isn't valuable.Patty Krawec  I had a, I remember when I was in science in grade nine, our science teacher, because it was the only year that I had to take science. We had a teacher who had, we were going over the criteria for life. And I think there's six, I don't remember what they are. Anyway, so we had, we had, there were six criteria for life. And he asked us, you know, you know, he's kind of running us through it, do plants meet it? does this person meet it? Does this, the rocks meet the criteria? And you know, we kind of go through it, And we're like, Nope, they don't. And he asked us again, are you sure? And we're like, oh, is this a trick question? You know, and so we went through them again, and we're like, nope, rocks are not alive. They don't meet the criteria. And he says, Well, what if they just do this too slow? And we can't measure it? What if they do this, and you know, we just don't have the capacity to see it? Like, he wasn't trying to tell us that rocks were alive. He was trying to tell us to keep those questions open. That what we, because he says science is one long chain of “we thought we knew that and we turned out to be wrong.” So maybe our criteria is wrong. And we always need to be open, you know, to thinking and questioning.And he's the only science teacher that I came across was like that. Because I think like you said, they have this idea that there's fixed knowledge. And I wonder, I wonder if some of that comes down to European thinkers emerging in a place where everybody had the same basic cosmology, right? Like, the, all three Abrahamic religions existed. And you know, in Europe, the Jews and the Muslims were not treated very well. But they had the same fundamental cosmology, the same creation story, the same flood narrative. Whereas here, we're all bumping up against each other with our trading relationships and our treaties and stuff. And we don't have the same cosmologies. You know, the Anishinaabeg and the Haudenosaunee lived, you know, very close to each other in lots of spaces. And we have some similarities, but some significant differences in terms of how we understand the world. And the Anishinaabeg and the Lakota are also kind of right up against each other. And we have significantly different cosmologies in terms of…like, there's a lot of similarities about how we see the world, but our cosmology, like our religions, you know, to use that word, are very different. And yet we learned to accept that it was not a big deal. So I kind of wonder if some of that, because now I'm reading, a pastor friend of mine, has recommended this book, shoot, what's it called? Hebrew, The Hebrew Bible and Environmental Ethics. And she's writing all about how the Bible is full of language about the world being alive, of trees, of the personhood of creation, and a very Indigenous, like, what I would think of as a very Anishinaabeg way of thinking of, the trees are people, the stars are people, the rivers are people, that this stuff is woven through. Because she says that when we talk about it, like it's a metaphor, we're not… like, you know, “the trees clap with joy.” And we're not saying that the trees have hands, but we're saying that they're expressing joy, that when the Hebrew people came back to the land, the land was happy, that the land had the capacity to care. And that's been completely stripped, like that's not present anywhere in any Christian theology that I have heard. So that's been completely stripped from the text and this is kind of my quest right now, about how these things got stripped. Because it got stripped from the way we understand the sky so…I don't even remember where I was going with that.Kerry Goring  I’m just loving it though.patty krawec  They had created this kind of monolithic belief system that didn't allow for that kind of relationality whereas here on Turtle Island, or whatever we want to call it, we were constantly bumping up against other ways of thinking about things and had…we're just okay with it. Like that's just the Lakota are weird, but that's who they are.Kerry Goring  It's okay to be like that, you know, that sense of acceptance, right? It's that sense of being in acceptance for all of it that I think is, is what you're bringing front and center. And just even taking in what you're saying there, Patty, I think it's quite brilliant, really interesting book, that's got to go down in the check of that one.Hilding Neilson That me too, that sounds very…very interesting.Kerry Goring  That's very interesting. Um, however, what, what also comes to me when I think about that, is this sense that we have here that with that stripping, it was, it was what afforded this whole system, the colonial space that we exist in, to be even created. And this disconnection that we are experiencing with the Earth and the land, I just want my, my breath was just really heavy earlier today, because I was reading an article, I think it was in USA Today. And they were talking about, they want to move from saying climate change into using the terminology climate emergency. Because of the carbon that's in the earth, in the atmosphere, we're moving in major, major ways that is getting scary. They know that the Antarctic, the sheets, the ice sheets in the Antarctic, are going to hit the sea very soon. And it's just a really scary dynamic. And personally, I have family, you know, in St. Vincent right now, where there is a, the volcano is going off, and I'm getting live, you know, real live. You know, just talking to my people's real live experience of what that kind of space is. And so when I think about how we have existed and disconnected, the answers for me are coming from when we are doing and having conversations like this, of course, but really deep diving into this exploration of how we relate. How do we come back? How do we figure out those pieces that have been taken out and put back in? So you know, when I hear that you're doing this work, Hilding, that, to me is like, it's invaluable. How do we create this space now?Hilding Neilson Yeah, this is very interesting. Without the discussion, last semester was popped my mind is Mars. So NASA just .. this most recent mission Mars called Perseverance, you know, a little toy car going around the surface of Mars, going out of the first helicopter launch on Mars. And there are lots of robots on Mars, and maybe in 20 years, there will be people. And hopefully, those people will not be led by Elon Musk. But, you know, but it does raise a lot of questions in the meantime, which is, how alive is Mars? We don't know of anything alive on Mars within our current definition. We're pretty sure nothing comes above the surface. We haven't really explored the subsurface of Mars. There could be life. Maybe single, probably single single cell life. Life is there, probably there. And even if it isn't, do we have rights to impact that? What are the rights of Mars? I mean, you know, there's a great comic. That's the earth in a hospital bed. And another planet is a doctor saying, “Oops, you have humans?” Do we really have a right to infect Mars with more humans? Or do we have that same right to the moon? How do we do that? How do we talk about coloni-? You know? Because we do, we literally talk about Mars as colonization. Patty Krawec:Yes Hilding Neilson: We have movies of Matt Damon on Mars and we send billions of dollars rescuing rescuing a dumb white dude. Yeah, and fully full disclosure. I'm also a dumb white dude. So you know, how do we talk about Mars? From an Anishinaabeg perspective? What would an Anishinabeg, what would the Haudenosaunee, what would a Mi’kmaq or Inuit mission to Mars look like? How do we engage and interact with Mars? You know, do we? What gifts do you offer Mars? If we visit, what are we allowed to take away from Mars? And we need, really need to have that conversation because right now the conversation is basically a Western novel. And we, the word frontier gets used a lot. Or colonizing, you know, they've sort of avoided colonization for the word exploration. But it's pretty much a dog whistle when it's basically going to be Elon Musk, or another rich dude sending people there to do space mining. Because, you know, capitalism. And how we face these things, I think very much because in this play of environmental ethics, as you mentioned, how we relate, how we want to be intentionally related with Mars, because I mean, humans, if the human mission to Mars has the same kind of history as on Earth, and last century of climate change, we're probably not going to leave it, do anything good on Mars.Patty Krawec We're not going to leave better than we found it.Hilding Neilson No. And I mean, there are people who talk about dropping asteroids on Mars with the sole purpose of heating it up, blowing it up and creating an atmosphere, so that we can terraform it. I mean, that's sort of what people really dream about is terraforming Mars. And I think we can look around North America and various other parts of the world and see terraforming from, you know, when Europeans killed the bison and introduced wheat and cattle to the prairie, or how we terraform north, at different parts of the world. Doesn't quite work as well as when we look at how various Indigenous communities sort of lived in concerts, where you know, Haudenosaunee, and their farming practices, pastoral farming out east, you know, the way we treat hunts, and all these things. And so we need to have a, we definitely need to have this space open for more Indigenous, whether it's Indigenous from North America, Afro-Indigenous, Australian Indigenous, specific, everywhere in this conversation. And to be honest, if I'm going to fly on a rocket from the Earth to Mars, over 200 days, the person I probably want to ask about is someone who can actually navigate the Pacific using nothing but their hand, as opposed to say NASA who, sent Matt Damon to Mars. There's so much expertise in Indigenous communities for doing these things that we don't even think about. At least in the Western, from NASA or the Canadian Space Agency, necessarily. And so we should be having this conversation. And we should be having that we really need that space, if this is what we want to do. If not, if we not we're basically going to leave space exploration and going to the moon and basically passing NASA satellites to people like Elon Musk. And if it's not obvious, I kind of really dislike that guy.patty krawec  Well, just like when we were talking about the skyKerry Goring: How did we guess? Patty Krawec: And, you know, it's not just cluttered from light below. Thanks to Elon Musk, it's cluttered from, it's now cluttered, you know, from things he's putting up there. And, you know, it's causing problems and he doesn't care because that's not, that's not his, that's not the frame that he thinks within.Hilding Neilson If light pollution erases our stories, those satellites are rewriting them. Patty Krawec: Yes. Hilding Neilson: And why does he get to do that?Kerry Goring  Love that. And I think that is so powerful. I never, like, I've had these thoughts. So hearing you speak it and really, you know, bringing that into the light, love that. I'm really relating, it resonates deeply because I agree with you. And for me, the other piece to that is this idea that we discard the earth, this idea that we have raped her, you know, The Earth has been raped and pillaged very much like, guess what, you know, every colonial story that we know. And now we're about to just move on. And so it speaks to me about this push in the way that we are human. And how we are showing up in our humanness. So I, and without the interjection, without that conversation being had, and I don't know if it's happening en mass yet, but without those conversations, we are destined to repeat itHilding Neilson Absolutely, I mean, you know, if Amazon, Jeff Bezos , if these people are driving the conversation, you know, they're just, they're just the mercantile colonialists. There's no difference in Elon Musk and Samuel de Champlain. And the worst part about Samuel de Champlain, is he had his life saved by Indigenous people cuz he went ..  and be cured of scurvy and he just thanked God, as opposed to the, you know, people? Patty Krawec: Yeah. Hilding Neilson: And this is what we’re facing again. Yeah, we're facing this again. It’s this, the same story, just being retold on a whole new scale. And people are, conversations are starting to be had. I think there’re developments in terms of international law with things called Artemis Accords, which are related primarily to going to the moon and lunar exploration. But the biggest thing there is about preserving sites on the moon of astronomical significance or human significance. So, you know, where they planted the flag on the moon, that might be a national park, or lunar National Park. But that doesn't stop anybody from moving up there. And, you know, drawing a smiley face on the face of the moon.patty krawec And national parks…Kerry Goring  What, what does that even mean?patty krawec  1:05:58Right, because they create this idea of wilderness and nature that takes people out of it. And it preserves it, like, for what? You know, so it's just, why are we like this? Why are we like this? where to think about what kinds of humans. I just wrote an essay for Rampant Magazine, where we're like, what kind of people do we want to be? What kind of ancestors, you know? As we get thinking about, you   know, thinking about the stars, you know, looking up at the stars, and knowing that those are our ancestors and knowing that we're going to be ancestors, we're going to be star stuff, you know. So what kind of ancestors do we want to be to the worlds that come after us? Because we're, you know, worlds came before us, worlds will come after us, what kind of ancestors do we want to be? What do we want to leave? What kind of footsteps do we want to leave? And stories and possibilities? And we got to think about that stuff. As opposed to? Well, they are, they are thinking about that kind of stuff. They're just not coming to the same conclusions that we would want them to.Kerry Goring  What big? How big is that? Like? What we're talking about? I'm really interested in those, in the conversations. How big is that movement? Is it? Is it growing? Like, is there an understanding that, wait a minute, we're creating the possibility of lunar parks on the moon like that, that makes me…I'm laughing, but I'm horrified all in the same breath. Are those conversations coming up in real ways, like in “Wait a minute. Hello, hello, hello,” type thoughts? Because we are hearing more about the explorations happening. And, and do we have somebody tempering it? Is that something?Hilding Neilson I don't think we really have a very strong conversation around space ethics. It's growing, largely because that's the only direction it can possibly go. It's harder to have fewer, fewer than zero people talking about it. So there's things that are starting to happen slowly in the astronomy community, but it's very limited. I think astronomy, my colleagues really kind of learned something about this from Elon Musk, when he put up the satellites and it interfered with telescopes on our, you know, because when the satellites cross upon the telescope, you just got all these streaks on your images. And they, and there were people who freaked out and accused Elon Musk of colonization, and not consulting and all this other language that we were ignoring from Native Hawaiians talking about the 30 meter telescope on Mauna Kea. And this is a project in Hawai’i to build a very big telescope on top of the mountain, where many Native Hawaiians said, “No, we're good.” And many of my colleagues were turned, kind of, were very against the Hawaiian response, using phrases like “science versus religion,” “progress versus history.” And then they used the same language as many of the Indigenous peoples were using to talk about Elon Musk. And I'm not sure they, some of them, I don't think quite got that hypocrisy. But I think a lot of people started to see that there has to be a greater discussion of voice because no matter, no matter what's happening, you know, at some point, your voice is not, might not be the one that gets heard. And then you pay the price. And so I think some of this is becoming more and more important, you know, particularly as space becomes the playground for the very, very ridiculously, uber rich.Patty Krawec  Well, this has been super interesting.I’m super interested in, you know, get in, getting more into, kind of, what quantum mechanics… just because, like what you had said about the relationality of it, and how that, you know, and how that has implications for how we understand how we work within the world, and how we relate to things. So I'm really interested in kind of going, going in that direction. I don't know, man, I read this physics book. And it was super interesting. And nobody saw that coming.Kerry Goring  1:11:45Did you watch Ant Man? Have you watched Ant Man?Patty Krawec  1:11:49No! It’s probably one of the few MC films that I haven't watchedKerry Goring  1:11:53Watch Ant Man. It will, it's a very, it was what? Okay, not really, but a little bit of what really sparked my interest in wanting to know more about quantum physics, was Ant Man. So that's also, maybe that's something we can all chat about too the next time you’re on.Patty Lrawec 1:12:13Well, I’ll watch Ant ManHilding Neilson Also, go back and rewatch End Game. All the time travel stuff is basically Sean Carroll's interpretation of quantum mechanics.patty krawec  Really. Okay that I have seen, that I have seen. Okay, AW’s putting Ant Man on their watch list.Hilding Neilson It’s a good heist movie.Kerry Goring It was a great movie. It's one of my favorites for this, from that world so…thank you, Hilding!Thank you, Hilding! I appreciate you man. This was a great talk. And also please let's, let's do this again. Got my mind working. Definitely got my mind working. And I appreciate you.patty krawec Thank you so much. Hilding Neilson: Thank you! Patty Krawec: It's super interesting. Alright, bye byeHilding Neilson: Take care.You can find more about Hilding and his work on his website And thankyou to Nick for the transcription!! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit medicinefortheresistance.substack.com