Podcasts about ABM

In this episode of the Account-Based Marketing podcast, Mendeil Bailey reveals how Autodesk is transforming its marketing strategy by harnessing ABM to prioritize customer needs, maximize impact, and fuel long-term growth.

"We need to stop forcing marketing metrics on the business MQLs, click-through rates, web traffic and start speaking the language of pipeline, bookings, and revenue. When marketers align their reporting with what the executive team actually cares about, they stop defending their existence and start leading the growth conversation.” Leslie Alore, SVP of Marketing at Flexera Marketing Impact Unlocked: Prove, Scale, and Strengthen Revenue Contribution. A practical framework for aligning marketing metrics with the outcomes your executive team actually cares about. In this episode of Revenue Boost, Kerry Curran sits down with Leslie Alore, SVP of Marketing at Flexera, to unpack one of the most urgent challenges facing B2B marketing leaders today: proving marketing's value in terms that drive boardroom decisions. Too many teams are stuck reporting MQLs while the C-suite wants pipeline, bookings, and revenue. Leslie shares how to shift from tactical metrics to strategic impact with a marketing contribution model that reframes the role of marketing as a core revenue engine not just a lead factory. You'll walk away with actionable strategies to: Align marketing language with executive priorities Measure contribution across pipeline creation, acceleration, and bookings Navigate complex sales cycles and partner motions with smarter tracking Earn trust by demonstrating marketing's real influence on growth Whether you're a CMO, VP, or revenue-minded marketer, this episode gives you the tools to elevate your seat at the table and scale marketing's business impact without fighting for credit.

What is agentic AI? And why is it important? In this week's episode of the B2B Marketing Podcast, we spoke to Hut 3 about the very topic and how it can be implemented in the various ABM stages. We're joined by Darryl Merkli, Head of AI Studio & Services, Hut 3 and Andy Johnson, Founder and Director, Hut 3. The trio discuss everything from how Hut 3 built their own agentic AI workflows to striking the balance between the human touch and AI technology. Plus, if you want to find out Hut 3's top tips when it comes to AI data privacy, stay tuned until the very end. If you'd like to learn more, we recommend checking out our Martech Vendor Spotlight Reports on ABM and AI here: https://www.b2bmarketing.net/reports/b2b-ai-marketing-tools-2025/ https://www.b2bmarketing.net/reports/martech-vendor-spotlight-report-2025-for-abm/

Send us a textOn this ABM Done Right Podcast episode, Eric Gruber sits down with Jodie Lail (Revenue Marketing Leader at GE Healthcare) to discuss why teams need a revenue marketing organization if they are engaging in ABM. Eric also digs into the GE Healthcare ABM program and discusses what's working for them - and where there are opportunities to have a stronger revenue impact. 

In this episode of Connected FM, host Edward Wagoner discusses the crucial role of facility managers in various environments with guest Lyle Gladney, the Building Operations Director at Claremont Oaks. They explore how facility managers impact different sectors, including crime labs, package processing facilities, jails, R&D facilities, cancer treatment centers and retirement homes. The discussion highlights the intricacies involved in maintaining these facilities, ensuring their proper function, and the critical impact on people's lives.This episode is sponsored by ABM! Learn more about ABM here. Connect with Us:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/ifmaFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/InternationalFacilityManagementAssociation/Twitter: https://twitter.com/IFMAInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/ifma_hq/YouTube: https://youtube.com/ifmaglobalVisit us at https://ifma.org

"Deeper ICP understanding solves 99% of your marketing problems including differentiation. Most B2B teams scratch the surface with outdated personas and miss the real insights that drive action. When you truly understand your audience, their pain points, their priorities, and what keeps them up at night you unlock messaging that resonates, content that converts, and positioning your competitors can't copy.” Tom Shapiro, CEO of Stratabeat In this episode of Revenue Boost: A Marketing Podcast, titled The New Rules of B2B Marketing: How to Win with Differentiation and Value, Not Volume, host Kerry Curran welcomes back Tom Shapiro, CEO of Stratabeat and author of Rethink Lead Generation, for a high-impact conversation about what's no longer working in B2B marketing and what to do instead. Tom shares what he's hearing from CMOs and growth leaders across the industry: the old B2B marketing playbook built on volume, vanity metrics, and outdated tactics is dead. Today, differentiation and deep audience understanding are the new non-negotiables. Together, Kerry and Tom explore the modern marketer's biggest challenges: cutting through the noise, adapting to evolving buyer behavior, and building strategies that go beyond tactics to deliver lasting revenue impact. You'll learn: Why deeper ICP research is the foundation of everything from differentiation to content strategy How to use original research to create market-leading content, build thought leadership, and feed your demand gen engine What most teams get wrong about SEO and how to leverage it strategically even as AI reshapes the SERP How to identify high-intent website visitors and activate personalized outreach within 24 hours The power of CRM win/loss analysis, sales call listening, and real-time behavioral data in shaping smarter campaigns Tom also shares how marketers can partner more closely with sales to uncover fresh insights, sharpen messaging, and continuously improve website performance to reflect what truly matters to their buyers. Whether you're a CMO at a scaling SaaS company or a demand gen leader trying to drive pipeline in a saturated market, this episode delivers practical, proven ways to rethink your strategy, realign with your audience, and win with value not just volume.

Episode SummaryThis episode dives into the critical role of data quality in unlocking the true potential of AI for ABM success. Daryn Smith shares how organizations can move from AI hype to AI readiness, focusing on bridging data silos and using AI effectively. The discussion explores practical steps to improving data management, leveraging AI tools to streamline processes, and why leadership plays a pivotal role in driving change. Daryn also reveals fascinating use cases where AI has made a tangible difference in business operations and marketing strategies.Key TakeawaysAI Readiness is LaggingOnly 8.5% of companies are truly AI-ready, despite executives highly prioritizing AI adoption.Data Quality is Key:70% of respondents prioritize data quality over AI, revealing that unstructured or siloed data hampers AI effectiveness.Leadership's Role in AI SuccessLeaders must champion AI adoption while being transparent about the need for continuous improvements in data management and AI training.Blind Automation Can Undermine ResultsAI often requires contextual data and meaningful human oversight to produce relevant, impactful recommendations.Practical AI ApplicationsFrom creating AI-driven RFP agents to developing AI tools that emulate senior employees' knowledge, simple yet impactful use cases can revolutionize workflows.Best Moments (01:10) – Daryn's Career Journey : From web developer to CEO, Daryn details how his unique background has shaped his approach to marketing and AI-led transformation.(04:53) – The Growing Importance of AI Readiness : Daryn highlights how data silos and poor data quality hinder AI's potential and shares insights from Hubble Digital's recent research.(10:57) – AI's Role in Revolutionizing ABM : Daryn and Paul discuss how AI-powered tools are automating manual tasks, leading to better account targeting and personalized campaigns.(14:00) – The Disconnect Between Leadership and Reality : A candid discussion on why executives often overestimate their organizations' AI capabilities.(34:06) – AI in Practical Use Cases : Daryn shares how Hubble Digital uses AI agents to streamline RFP responses and retain institutional knowledge.(22:27) – Evolving Data Systems : Tips on keeping CRM and ABM systems agile to adapt to business changes, ensuring they retain their value long term.Tech RecommendationsHubSpot – A platform supporting ABM strategies and AI integration for CRM efficiency.Fathom.ai – A tool for turning unstructured sales and marketing data into actionable insights.Books:Hacking Marketing by Scott Brinker - Agile Practices to Make Marketing Smarter, Faster, and More InnovativeDharmesh Shah - Founder & CTO, HubSpotDave Gerhardt - Founder, Exit Five

Thank You To Our Partners The Institute, AutoFlow, AutoLeap, Shop Dog Marketing, In-BoundWatch Full Video EpisodeIn our Episode Today: Listeners will recall the Pilot Talk (Episode 34) with Austin Brumfield - and this time our host Craig O'Neill welcomes Austin's amazing wife, Evangela, to the podcast!Evangela is a pilot, an Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic, and a missionary.As mentioned with Austin, the Brumfields are joining Arctic Barnabas Ministry's (ABM) which will take them and their aviation skills to the remote regions of Alaska. ABM aims to support and encourage those who serve in Alaska, so they don't decide to leave! Since do leave after confronting hardship and the remote nature of Alaska- it becomes unlikely for people who cannot leave their remote communities to develop trust with any future newcomers.The Word of the Day:Barnabas:Proper Noun Meaning: "son of encouragement”In the conversation listeners will enjoy hearing Evangela share and reflect on a number of topics including:Her passion for the mechanics of aircraft - and the importance of the A&P licenseWhat it is like communicating with your Certified Flight Instructor (CFI) - when you are married to your CFIHow speaking through the radio in a solo flight instills a sense of confidenceWhat it's like to speak in front of churches to raise supportWhy raising support for living in Alaska is nearly twice as hard as other missionsCompelling details about the challenges of remote living and isolation felt by people in the remote regions of AlaskaAirplanes as a bridge for communicationAlso airplanes in general. We do talk a bit about airplanes… Those who know Craig, know that when he entered college out of high-school - he wanted to become a missionary pilot himself. Meeting the Brumfields later in life when he took up flight lessons in 2021 cultivated a new friendship and a new means to fuel that passion by supporting the Brumfields and welcoming them to share their story.At Speak Up - we believe stories adjacent to our industry prove to illustrate solutions for our day-to-day situations. A key takeaway from Evangela is for us to remember to be proactive about being a Barnabas in your part of the world! Don't just wait to be called! And be prepared to go this distance necessary to support those who need support!We hope you'll follow the Brumfield's journey - details below!For more information on Arctic Barnabas Ministry - Check out their site: hereYou can follow Austin and Evangela on Facebook, where they post their updates and newsletters by clicking hereEvangela shared a wonderful Youtube video that was produced recently regarding missions in Alaska. ABM serves some of the individuals in the video so it's a great way to visualize the people, places, and need for ABM in Alaska. You can watch it by clicking here. Thank You To Our Partners The Institute, AutoFlow, AutoLeap, Shop Dog Marketing, In-Bound:The Institute at WeAreTheInstitute.com. "Stop stressing over your business, you deserve a good night's...

Podcast del programa Imagen Empresarial transmitido originalmente el 12 de mayo del 2025. Conduce Rodrigo Pacheco. Los entrevistados de hoy: Brian Rodriguez Ontiveros, analista bursátil de Monex Tema: 1.- El mercado accionario en México en máximos de un año 2.- La agenda económica más relevante de la próxima semana Manuel Romo, director general de Banamex Tema: Banamex y ABM 2025 Felipe García Ascencio, director general de Santander Tema: Santander y ABM 2025

Riaz Kanani, CEO and founder of Radiate B2B returns to the podcast to discuss the evolving landscape of B2B marketing. Mike and Riaz explore the shift in buyer behaviour, the rise of account-based marketing (ABM), and the importance of intent data in driving effective campaigns. Riaz shares insights on common mistakes in ABM strategies and highlights the role of AI in shaping the future of marketing. About Radiate B2B Radiate B2B is a B2B advertising and intent data platform that helps companies reach their prospects at the right time, in the right place and with the right message. Radiate B2B has been nominated for Emerging Martech Vendor and UK Martech vendor of the year by B2B Marketing. About Riaz Kanani Riaz is the founder and CEO of Radiate B2B. Riaz has a history of building and scaling successful businesses and has been nominated for Entrepreneur of the Year multiple times. He is listed as a Top 25 global account based marketing thought leader by B2B Marketing and one of the Top Asian Stars in UK Tech by Diversity UK. He built one of the world's largest video advertising networks and after exiting to Silverpop, scaled their presence internationally. Silverpop helped to set out the best practice for B2B marketing a decade ago and was a leader in B2B marketing automation and content marketing before exiting to IBM to create its marketing cloud platform. He has sat on the DMA email marketing council helping to set best practice for the email marketing industry, judge its awards and help shape data privacy and the use of data in the UK and Europe. He regularly writes and speaks on the BBC and elsewhere on the intersection between marketing, business and technology, its best practice and future trends. Time Stamps 00:00:18 - Guest Introduction: Riaz Kanani 00:01:50 - The Shift in B2B Buyer Behavior 00:03:09 - Evolution of Account-Based Marketing (ABM) 00:06:34 - Common Mistakes in ABM Campaigns 00:09:07 - The Role of Intent Data in Marketing 00:15:22 - Customer Success Stories with Radiate B2B 00:19:20 - Using Radiate B2B for Internal Marketing 00:20:42 - Future of MarTech and AI Integration 00:23:00 - Final Thoughts on ABM and Marketing Trends 00:23:19 - Best Marketing Advice Received 00:24:16 - Advice for Aspiring Marketers 00:25:23 - Conclusion and Invitation for Future Discussions Quotes "By the time they reach your website to convert, 70-80% of those companies have already shortlisted who they want to buy from." Riaz Kanani, CEO and Founder at Radiate B2B. "If you don't have a level of insight which tells you whether they're coming into market or they're in market, then there's a very high likelihood that project is going to fail." Riaz Kanani, CEO and Founder at Radiate B2B. "Intent data is merely a signal that attention is being given to a particular problem or area." Riaz Kanani, CEO and Founder at Radiate B2B. Follow Riaz: Riaz Kanani on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/riazkanani/  Radiate B2B website: https://radiateb2b.com/ Radiate B2B on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radiateb2b/ Follow Mike: Mike Maynard on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikemaynard/ Napier website: https://www.napierb2b.com/ Napier LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/napier-partnership-limited/   If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to our podcast for more discussions about the latest in Marketing B2B Tech and connect with us on social media to stay updated on upcoming episodes. We'd also appreciate it if you could leave us a review on your favourite podcast platform. Want more? Check out Napier's other podcast - The Marketing Automation Moment: https://podcasts.apple.com/ua/podcast/the-marketing-automation-moment-podcast/id1659211547

Many breastfeeding parents also choose to carry their baby in a sling or wrap as they go about their day. There are so many carriers out there to choose from that it can be an overwhelming decision. That's where my guest today can help. Lizzy Allen  is a babywearing consultant, but she's also a breastfeeding peer supporter, trained with the ABM. She runs Chester Sling Library, which offers support to families in person in Chester and in Northeast Wales and also online to families around the UK.We're talking today about babywearing, how to choose a carrier that suits you and your baby, and most importantly about the safety of babywearing and breastfeeding.You can find Lizzy online at www.chesterslinglibrary.co.uk/ and @‌chester_sling_library on Instagram.My new picture book on how breastfeeding journeys end, The Story of Jessie's Milkies, is available from Amazon here -  The Story of Jessie's Milkies. In the UK, you can also buy it from The Children's Bookshop in Muswell Hill, London. Other book shops and libraries can source a copy from Ingram Spark publishing.You can also get 10% off my books on supporting breastfeeding beyond six months and supporting the transition from breastfeeding at the Jessica Kingsley press website, that's uk.jkp.com using the code MMPE10 at checkout.Lizzy recommends - https://www.carryingmatters.co.uk/2017/08/05/breast-bottle-feeding-safely-sling/Finding a sling library https://www.carryingmatters.co.uk/sling-pages/@‌babywearingeducationnetwork on InstagramYoutube creators @‌SouthEastSlings @‌TheBabywearingAcademy @‌carryingmatters @‌SheenSlings  @‌SouthEssexSlings @‌WrapyouinloveFollow me on Twitter @MakesMilk and on Instagram  @emmapickettibclc or find out more on my website www.emmapickettbreastfeedingsupport.com  This podcast is presented by Emma Pickett IBCLC, and produced by Emily Crosby Media.

⬇️⬇️⬇️En el episodio de hoy, lunes 12 de mayo de 2025, analizamos los temas más relevantes de la agenda nacional e internacional. La presidenta Claudia Sheinbaum llamó a la banca comercial a reducir las tasas de interés para las Pymes, como parte de un acuerdo con la ABM que busca ampliar el financiamiento formal entre 2025 y 2030. También, el INE realizó el segundo simulacro de los cómputos distritales rumbo a la elección judicial inédita, con resultados positivos en estabilidad y seguridad.En temas internacionales, el gobierno de EE.UU. revocó las visas a la gobernadora Marina del Pilar Ávila y a su esposo, sin explicación oficial, generando reacciones tanto de Morena como del PAN. Además, Rubén Moreira propuso garantizar el acceso universal a vacunas infantiles mediante una reforma constitucional, tras denunciar que más de 800 mil niñas y niños no cuentan con esquema completo de vacunación.También comentamos los resultados de la Feria de Puebla 2025, que superó el medio millón de visitantes, y las presentaciones culturales masivas, como la de Lupita D'Alessio en el Zócalo capitalino. Finalmente, compartimos información clave del entorno económico, legislativo, social y de conectividad digital en México.Escucha el episodio completo y conoce las claves para comenzar tu día bien informado.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ya puedes encontrar aquí el link a todas mis redes sociales.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Emilio Romano asume la presidencia de la ABM Profesores de la UAEMéx exigen la renuncia del rector Eduardo BarreraAlcalde de Newark en Nueva Jersey, fue arrestado por presunto allanamientoMás información en nuestro Podcast

México vive una “oportunidad histórica” para fortalecer su economía a nivel mundial: ABM Fue detenido Andrés “N”, hijo de Manuel Ancira, ex directivo de AHMSATrump exige a Ucrania poner fin a la guerra con RusiaMás información en nuestro podcast

Programa Imagen Empresarial transmitido originalmente el 9 de mayo del 2025, en Imagen Radio. Conducido por Rodrigo Pacheco Entrevistados: Entrevista: Juan Miguel Guerra, director general de Revolut Tema: Actualidad de Revolut y ABM 2025 Entrevista: Pedro Rivas, director general de MercadoPagoTema: Actualidad de MercadoPago y ABM 2025 Entrevista: Gustavo Mendez, socio líder de la industria de Servicios Financieros de Deloitte Spanish Latin AmericaTema: Actualidad del Sistema Financiero y ABM 2025

260 mdp serán invertidos en Estudios Churubusco Programa México te abraza atenderá a connacionales repatriados de EU: SegobPortugal reanuda importación de electricidad a España  Más información en nuestro podcast

"Most companies focus on acquiring new customers, but in recurring revenue businesses, 70–90% of revenue comes from existing customers. If you're not investing in retention and expansion, you're leaving your biggest growth lever untapped.” Roee Hartuv In this episode of Revenue Boost: A Marketing Podcast titled, Revenue and Retention: Why Customer Success Is Key to Sustainable Growth host Kerry Curran is joined by Roee Hartuv, Head of Revenue Architecture at Winning by Design, to unpack a mindset shift that B2B companies must embrace to grow sustainably: true revenue growth doesn't end at the closed-won stage—it begins there. Drawing from his experience advising recurring revenue businesses around the world, Roee breaks down how the traditional go-to-market model focused almost entirely on new acquisition—is no longer enough. He introduces the “bowtie” framework, a more holistic approach to GTM that prioritizes retention, expansion, and customer lifetime value. Throughout the conversation, you'll learn: Why 70–90% of recurring revenue comes from existing customers—and why most companies are underinvesting in that opportunity How customer success can become a strategic growth engine not just a support function Why expansion is more efficient than acquisition, and how to resource accordingly How to structure high-performing CS pods to support mid-market and enterprise clients Ways to equip account managers with the mindset and messaging to grow accounts without sounding “salesy” The critical role of marketing in supporting post-sale growth, from product updates to thought leadership And why companies should stop thinking of GTM as a funnel and start treating it as a bowtie This episode is a must-listen for marketing, sales, RevOps, and customer success leaders who are ready to drive sustainable revenue growt not just this quarter, but long-term. If you're serious about building a revenue engine that lasts, this one's for you."

"If done right, AI will actually make us more human. It handles the busy work and surfaces real-time insights—so GTM teams can focus on what really drives revenue: building relationships, solving real problems, and creating long-term customer value." That's a quote from Roderick Jefferson and a sneak peek at today's episode.Hi there, I'm Kerry Curran—Revenue Growth Consultant, Industry Analyst, and host of Revenue Boost, A Marketing Podcast. In every episode, I sit down with top experts to bring you actionable strategies that deliver real results. So if you're serious about business growth, find us in your favorite podcast directory, hit subscribe, and start outpacing your competition today.In this episode, titled AI + EQ + GTM: The New Growth Equation for B2B Leaders, I sit down with keynote speaker, author, and enablement powerhouse Roderick Jefferson to unpack the modern formula for revenue growth: AI + EQ + GTM.We explore why traditional sales enablement isn't enough in today's landscape—and how real go-to-market success requires alignment across marketing, sales, and customer success, powered by emotional intelligence and smart technology integration.Whether you're a CRO, CMO, or GTM leader looking to scale smarter, this episode is packed with real-world insights and actionable strategies to align your teams and drive sustainable growth.Stick around until the end, where Roderick shares expert tips for building your own AI-powered revenue engine.If you're serious about long-term growth, it's time to get serious about AI, EQ, and GTM. Let's go.Kerry Curran, RBMA (00:01)Welcome, Roderick. Please introduce yourself and share your background and expertise.Roderick Jefferson (00:06)Hey, Kerry. First of all, thanks so much for having me on. I'm really excited—I've been looking forward to this one all day. So thanks again. I'm Roderick Jefferson, CEO of Roderick Jefferson & Associates. We're a fractional enablement company, and we focus on helping small to mid-sized businesses—typically in the $10M to $100M range—that need help with onboarding, ongoing education, and coaching.I'm also a keynote speaker and an author. I actually started my career in sales at AT&T years ago. I was a BDR, did well, got promoted to AE, made President's Club a couple of times. Then I was offered a sales leadership role—and I turned it down. I know they thought I was crazy, but there were two reasons: first, I realized I loved the process of selling more than just closing big deals. And second, oddly enough, I wasn't coin-operated. I did it because I loved it—it gave me a chance to interact with people and have conversations like this one.Kerry Curran, RBMA (01:16)I love that—and I love your background. As Roderick mentioned, he does a lot of keynote speaking, and that's actually where I met him. He was a keynote speaker at B2BMX West in Scottsdale last month. I also have one of your books here that I've been diving into. I can't believe how fast this year is flying—it's already the first day of spring!Roderick Jefferson (01:33)Thank you so much. Wow, that was just last month? It feels like last week. Where is the time going?Kerry Curran, RBMA (01:45)I appreciate your experience for so many reasons. One is that—like we talked about before the show—my dad was in sales at AT&T for over 20 years. It paid for my entire education. So we were comparing notes on that era of innovation and what we learned back then.Roderick Jefferson (02:02)Thank you, AT&T!Kerry Curran, RBMA (02:13)So much of what you talked about on stage and wrote about in your book is near and dear to my heart. My background is in building integrated marketing-to-sales infrastructure and strengthening it to drive revenue growth. I'm excited to hear more about what you're seeing and hearing. You talk to so many brands and marketers—what's hot right now? What's the buzz? What do we need to know?Roderick Jefferson (02:44)A couple of things. The obvious one is AI—but I'll add something: it's not just AI, it's AI plus EQ plus IQ. Without that combination, you won't be successful.The other big theme is the same old problem we've always had: Why is there such a disconnect between sales and marketing? As an enablement guy, it pains me. I spent 30 years in corporate trying to figure that out. I think we're getting closer to alignment—thank you, AI, for finally stepping in and being smarter than all of us! But we've still got a long way to go.Part of the issue is we're still making decisions in silos. That's why I've become a champion of moving away from just "sales enablement."Yes, I know I wrote the book on sales enablement—but I don't think that's the focus anymore. In hindsight, “sales enablement” is too myopic. It's really about go-to-market. How do we bring HR, marketing, product marketing, engineering, sales, and enablement all to the same table to talk about the entire buyer's journey?Instead of focusing on our internal sales process and trying to shoehorn prospects into it, we should be asking: How do they buy? Who buys? Are there buying committees? How many people are involved? And yes, ICP matters—but that's just the tip of the iceberg. It goes much deeper.Kerry Curran, RBMA (04:44)Yes, absolutely. And going back to why you loved your early sales roles—it was about helping people. That's how I've always approached marketing too: what are their business challenges, and what can I offer to solve them? In your keynote, you said, “I want sales to stop selling and start helping.” But that's not possible without partnering with marketing to learn and message around the outcomes we drive and the pain points we solve.Roderick Jefferson (05:22)Exactly. Let's unpack that. First, about helping vs. selling—that's why we have spam filters now. Nobody wants to be sold to. That's also why people avoid car lots—because you know what's coming: they'll talk at you, try to upsell you, and push you into something you don't need or want. Then you have buyer's remorse.Now apply that to corporate and entrepreneurship. If you're doing all the talking in sales, something's wrong. Too many people ask questions just to move the deal forward instead of being genuinely inquisitive.Let's take it further. If marketing is working in a silo—building messaging and positioning—and they don't bring in sales, then guess what? Sales won't use it. Newsflash, right? And second, it's only going to reflect marketing's perspective. But if you bring both teams together and say, “Hey, what are the top three to five things you're hearing from prospects over and over?”—then you can work collaboratively and cohesively to solve those.The third piece is: let's stop trying to manufacture pain. Not every prospect is in pain. Sometimes the goal is to increase efficiency or productivity. If there is pain, you get to play doctor for a moment. And by that, I mean: do they need an Advil, a Vicodin, a Percocet, or an extraction? Do you need to stop the bleeding right now? You only figure that out by getting sales, marketing, product, and even HR at the same table.Kerry Curran, RBMA (07:34)Yes, absolutely. I love the analogy of different levels of pain solutions because you're right—sometimes it's not pain, it's about helping the customer be more efficient, reduce costs, or drive revenue. I've used the doctor analogy before too: you assess the situation and then customize the solution based on where it “hurts” the most. One of the ongoing challenges, though, is that sales and marketing still aren't fully aligned. Why do you think that's been such a persistent issue, and where do you see it heading?Roderick Jefferson (08:14)Because sales speaks French and marketing speaks German. They're close enough that they can kind of understand each other—like ordering a beer or finding a bathroom—but not enough for a meaningful conversation.The core issue is that they're not talking—they're presenting to each other. They're pitching ideas instead of having a dialogue. Marketing says, “Here's what the pitch should look like,” and sales replies, “When's the last time you actually talked to a customer?”They also get stuck in “I think” and “I feel,” and I always tell both groups—those are the two things you cannot say in a joint meeting. No one cares what you think or feel. Instead, say: “Here's what I've seen work,” or “Here's what I've heard from prospects and customers.” That way, the conversation is rooted in data and real-world insight, not opinion or emotion.You might say, “Hey, when we get to slide six in the deck, things get fuzzy and deals stall.” That's something marketing can fix. Or you go to product and say, “I've talked to 10 prospects, and eight of them asked for this feature. Can we move it up in the roadmap?”Or go back to sales and say, “Only 28% of the team is hitting quota because they're struggling with discovery and objection handling.” So enablement and marketing can partner to create role plays, messaging guides, or accreditations. It sounds utopian, but I've actually done this six times over 30 years—it is possible.It's not because I'm the smartest guy in the room—it's because when sales and marketing align around shared definitions and shared goals, real change happens. Go back to MQLs and SQLs. One team says, “We gave you all these leads,” and the other says, “Yeah, but they all sucked.” Then you realize: you haven't even agreed on what a lead is.As a fractional enablement leader, that's the first question I ask: “Can you both define what an MQL and SQL mean to you?” Nine times out of ten, they realize they aren't aligned at all. That's where real progress starts.Once you fix communication, the next phase is collaboration. And what comes out of collaboration is the big one: accountability. That's the word nobody likes—but it's what gets results. You're holding each other to timelines, deliverables, and follow-through.The final phase is orchestration. That's what enablement really does—we connect communication, collaboration, and accountability across the entire go-to-market team so everyone has a voice and a vote.Kerry Curran, RBMA (13:16)You're so smart, and you bring up so many great points—especially around MQLs, SQLs, and the lack of collaboration. There's no unified North Star. Marketing may be focused on MQLs, but those criteria don't always match what moves an MQL to an SQL.There's also no feedback loop. I've seen teams where sales and marketing didn't even talk to each other—but they still complained about each other! I was brought in to help, and I said, “You're adults. It's time to talk to one another.” And you'd think that would be obvious.What I love is that we're starting to see the outdated framework of MQLs as a KPI begin to fade. As you said, it's about identifying a shared goal that everyone can be accountable to. We need to all be paddling in the same direction.Roderick Jefferson (14:16)Exactly. I wouldn't say we're all rowing yet, but we've definitely got our hands in the water, and we're starting to go in the same direction. You can see that North Star flickering out there.And I give big kudos to AI for helping with that. In some ways, it reminds me of social media. Would you agree that social media initially made us less social?Kerry Curran, RBMA (14:27)Yes, totally agree. We can see the North Star.Roderick Jefferson (14:57)Now I'm going to flip that idea on its head: if done right, I believe AI will actually make us more human—and drive more meaningful conversations. I know that sounds crazy, but I have six ways AI can help us do that.First, let's go back to streamlining lead scoring. If we use AI to prioritize leads based on their likelihood to convert, sales can focus efforts on the most promising opportunities. Once we align on those criteria, volume and quality both improve. With confidence comes competence—and vice versa.Second is automating task management. Whether it's data entry, appointment scheduling, or follow-up emails, those repetitive tasks eat up sales time. Less than 30% of a rep's time is spent actually selling. If we offload that admin work, reps can focus on high-value activities—like building relationships, doing discovery, and closing deals.Kerry Curran, RBMA (15:59)Yes! And pre-call planning. Having the time to prepare properly makes a huge difference.Roderick Jefferson (16:19)Exactly. Third is real-time analytics. If marketing and ops can provide sales reps with real-time insights—like funnel data, deal velocity, or content performance—we can start making decisions based on data, not assumptions or feelings.The fourth area is personalized sales coaching. I talk to a lot of leaders, and I'll make a bold statement: most sales leaders don't know how to coach. They either use outdated methods or try to “peanut butter” their advice across the team.But what if we could use AI to analyze calls, emails, and meetings—then provide coaching based on each rep's strengths and weaknesses? Sales leaders could shift from managing to leading.Kerry Curran, RBMA (17:55)Yes, I love that. It would completely elevate team performance.Roderick Jefferson (18:11)Exactly. Fifth is increasing efficiency in the sales process. AI can create proposals, contracts, and other documents, which frees up time for reps to focus on helping—not chasing paperwork. And by streamlining the process, we can qualify faster and avoid wasting time on poor-fit deals.Kerry Curran, RBMA (18:58)Right, and they can focus on the deals that are actually likely to move forward.Roderick Jefferson (19:09)Exactly. And sixth—and most overlooked—is customer success. That's often left out of GTM conversations, but it's critical. We can use AI-powered chatbots and virtual assistants to handle basic inquiries. That frees up CSMs to focus on more strategic tasks like renewals, cross-sell, and upsell.Let's be honest—most CSMs were trained for renewals, not selling. But cross-sell and upsell aren't really selling—they're reselling to warm, happy customers. The better trained and equipped CSMs are, the better your customer retention and growth.Because let's face it—we've all seen it: 90 days before renewal, suddenly a CSM becomes your best friend. Where were they for the last two years? If we get ahead of that and connect all the dots—sales, marketing, CS, and product—guess who wins?The prospect.The customer.The company—because revenue goes up.The employee—because bonuses happen, spiffs get paid, and KPIs are hit.But most importantly, we build customers for life. And that has to start from the very beginning, not just when the CSM steps in at the end.Kerry Curran, RBMA (20:47)Yes, this is so smart. I love that you brought customer success into the conversation. One of the things I love about go-to-market strategy is that it includes lifetime value—upsell and renewal are a critical part of the revenue journey.In my past roles, I've seen teams say, “Well, that's just client services—they don't know how to sell.” But to your point, if we coach them, equip them, and make them comfortable, it can go a long way.Roderick Jefferson (21:34)Absolutely. They become the lifeblood of your business. Yes, you need net-new revenue, but if sales builds this big, beautiful house on the front end and then customers just walk out the back door—what's the point?And I won't even get into the stats—you know them—about how much more expensive it is to acquire a new customer versus retaining one. The key is being human and actually helping.Kerry Curran, RBMA (21:46)Exactly. I love that. It leads perfectly into my next question—because one of the core components of your strategy and presentation was the importance of EQ, or emotional intelligence. Can you talk about why that's so critical?Roderick Jefferson (22:19)Yeah. It really comes down to this: AI can provide content—tons of it, endlessly. It can give you all the data and information in the world. But it still requires a human to provide context. For now, at least. I'm not saying it'll be that way forever, but for now, context is everything.I love analogies, so I'll give you one: it's like making gumbo. You sprinkle in some seasoning here, some spice there. In this case, AI provides the content. Then the human provides the interpretation—context. That's understanding how to use that generated content to reach the right person or company, at the right time, with the right message, in the right tone.What you get is a balanced, powerful approach: IQ + EQ + AI. That's what leads to truly optimal outcomes—if you do it right.Kerry Curran, RBMA (23:19)Yes! I love that. And I love every stage of your process, Roderick—it's so valuable. I know your clients are lucky to work with you.For people listening and thinking, “Yes, I need this,” how do they get started? What's the baseline readiness? How do they begin integrating sales and marketing more effectively—and leveraging AI?Roderick Jefferson (23:34)Thank you so much for that. It really starts with a conversation. Reach out—LinkedIn, social media, my website. And from there, we talk. We get to the core questions: Where are you today? Where have you been? Where are you trying to go? And most importantly: What does success look like?And not just, “What does success look like?” but, “Who is success for?”Then we move into an assessment. I want to talk to every part of the go-to-market team. Because not only do we have French and German—we've also got Dutch, Spanish, and every other language. My job is to become the translator—not just of language, but of dialects and context.“This is what they said, but here's what they meant. And this is what they meant, but here's what they actually need.”Then we dig into what's really going on. Most clients have a sense of what's “broken.” I'm not just looking for the broken parts—I'm looking at what you've already tried. What worked? What didn't? Why or why not?I basically become a persistent four-year-old asking, “Why? But why? But why?” And yes, it gets frustrating—but it's the only way to build a unified GTM team with a shared North Star.Kerry Curran, RBMA (25:32)Yes, I love that. And just to add—sometimes something didn't work not because it was a bad strategy, but because it was evaluated with the wrong KPI or misunderstood entirely.Like a top-of-funnel strategy did work—but the team expected it to generate leads that same month. It takes time. So much of this comes down to digging into the root of the issue, and I love your approach.Roderick Jefferson (26:10)Exactly. And it's also about understanding that every GTM function has different KPIs.If I'm talking to sales, I'm asking about average deal size, quota attainment, deal velocity, win rate, pipeline generation. If I'm talking to sales engineering, they care about number of demos per deal, wins and losses, and number of POCs. Customer success? They care about adoption, churn, CSAT, NPS, lifetime value.My job is to set the North Star and speak in their language—not in “enablement-ese.” Sometimes that means speaking in sales terms, sometimes marketing terms. And I always say, “Assume I know nothing about your job. Spell out your acronyms. Define your terms.”Because over 30 years, I've learned: the same acronym can mean 12 different things at 12 different companies.The goal is to get away from confusion and start finding commonality. When you break down the silos and the masks, you realize we're all working toward the same thing: new, long-term, happy customers for life.Kerry Curran, RBMA (27:55)Yes—thank you, Roderick. I love this. So, how can people find you?Roderick Jefferson (28:00)Funny—I always say if you can't find me on social media, you're not trying to find me.You can reach me at roderickjefferson.com, and you can find my book, Sales Enablement 3.0: The Blueprint to Sales Enablement Excellence and the upcoming Sales 3.0 companion workbook there as well.I'm on LinkedIn as Roderick Jefferson, Instagram and Threads at @roderick_j_associates, YouTube at Roderick Jefferson, and on BlueSky as @voiceofrod.Kerry Curran, RBMA (28:33)Excellent. I'll make sure to include all of that in the show notes—I'm sure this episode will have your phone ringing!Thank you so much, Roderick. I really appreciate you taking the time to join us. This was valuable for me, and I'm sure for the audience as well.Roderick Jefferson (28:40)Ring-a-ling—bring it on! Let's dance. Thank you again. This was an absolute honor, and I'm glad we got the chance to reconnect, Kerry.Kerry Curran, RBMA (28:59)For sure. Thank you—you too.Roderick Jefferson (29:01)Take care, all.Thanks for tuning in. If you're struggling with flat or slowing revenue growth, you're not alone. That's why Revenue Boost: A Marketing Podcast brings you expert insights, actionable strategies, and real-world success stories to help you scale faster.If you're serious about growth, search for us in your favorite podcast directory. Hit follow or subscribe, and leave a five-star rating—it helps us keep the game-changing content coming.New episodes drop regularly. Don't let your revenue growth strategy fall behind. We'll see you soon!

¿Qué es el ABX y por qué está revolucionando el marketing B2B? En este episodio te cuento qué es el Account-Based Experience (ABX), cómo se diferencia del clásico ABM y, sobre todo, cómo puedes implementarlo paso a paso para mejorar la experiencia de tus cuentas clave y generar más ingresos con menos recursos. Si estás cansado de estrategias genéricas que no conectan con tus clientes ideales, este episodio es para ti.

Ganesh Chithambalam, Co-founder at Recotap, explores how account-based marketing is evolving and discussed the challenges marketers face when it comes to effectively marketing their products. Learn how Recotap is enhancing ABM by using LinkedIn as a high impact advertising platform and empowering smaller SaaS companies to run personalised campaigns. Ganesh also unpacks key topics such as understanding buyer intent, avoiding common pitfalls in traditional ABM strategies, and creating messaging that resonates with target audiences. About Ganesh Ganesh Chithambalam is a seasoned entrepreneur with over 15 years of experience in the SaaS and marketing technology space. Before founding Recotap, he built and scaled 30+ high-growth SaaS products and a high-performance programmatic ad exchange. With a deep focus on performance marketing, automation, and account-based strategies, he brings a pragmatic, results-driven approach to solving complex B2B marketing challenges. Ganesh is passionate about using data and technology to drive meaningful outcomes for marketing teams. Outside of work, he enjoys traveling, discovering local cultures, and experimenting in the kitchen. About Recotap Recotap is an Account-Based Marketing platform purpose-built for B2B marketers who want to run high-impact, personalised LinkedIn campaigns at scale. Designed to simplify complex ABM workflows, Recotap brings together data signals, audience segmentation, ad personalisation, and performance tracking into one unified platform. By leveraging intent data, CRM insights, and website behaviour, Recotap helps marketing teams identify high-fit, in-market accounts and automatically activate 1:1 ad campaigns and personalised landing pages. Whether you're building awareness, accelerating pipeline, or influencing late-stage deals, Recotap enables full-funnel ABM execution with minimal effort. Trusted by fast-growing SaaS and tech companies, Recotap is helping redefine how modern B2B teams approach demand generation, sales alignment, and marketing ROI. Time Stamps 00:00:18 – Guest Introduction: Ganesh Chachambaland 00:00:43 – Ganesh's Career Journey and Founding RecoTap 00:03:38 – Challenges in Current ABM Campaigns 00:04:12 – Common Mistakes in ABM Marketing 00:06:24 – Intent Signals and Their Importance for SaaS 00:07:03 – Personalisation in ABM Campaigns 00:12:18 – Balancing Lead Generation and Brand Awareness 00:16:37 – Predictions for the Future of ABM and Marketing 00:18:26 – Valuable Marketing Advice Received 00:20:28 – Outro and Contact Information Quotes “The companies which are getting successful are the ones who are marketing it well.” - Ganesh Chithambalam, Co-founder at Recotap "I think brand positioning and brand differentiation is very, very important.” - Ganesh Chithambalam, Co-founder at Recotap Follow Ganesh: Ganesh Chithambalam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ganesh-chithambalam/?originalSubdomain=in Recotap website: https://www.recotap.com/ Recotap on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/recotap/ Follow Mike: Mike Maynard on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikemaynard/ Napier website: https://www.napierb2b.com/ Napier LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/napier-partnership-limited/ If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to our podcast for more discussions about the latest in Marketing B2B Tech and connect with us on social media to stay updated on upcoming episodes. We'd also appreciate it if you could leave us a review on your favourite podcast platform. Want more? Check out Napier's other podcast – The Marketing Automation Moment: https://podcasts.apple.com/ua/podcast/the-marketing-automation-moment-podcast/id1659211547

In this episode of Fullfunnel Live, we discussed with sales leader the role of sales in ABM.Listen to learn:•⁠ ⁠The role of AEs and SDRs in the ABM program•⁠ ⁠The most successful account-based sales playbooks: key activities and metrics•⁠ ⁠How sales should collaborate with marketing in ABM

The CEO's Strategic Growth Edge: A Go-To-Market System That Scales“You don't need more leads—you need clarity. Clarity on where your business can grow the most, the fastest, and at the highest margin. That's what a real go-to-market system delivers. It's not about volume anymore—it's about alignment, focus, and making sure every team—marketing, sales, and customer success—is executing toward the same outcome. That's how CEOs scale with confidence.” That's a quote from Sangram Vajre, and a sneak peek at today's episode.Welcome to Revenue Boost: A Marketing Podcast. I'm your host, Kerry Curran—revenue growth expert, industry analyst, and relentless advocate for turning marketing into a revenue engine. Each episode, we bring you the strategies, insights, and conversations that help drive your revenue growth. So search for Revenue Boost in your favorite podcast directory and hit subscribe to stay ahead of the game.In The CEO's Strategic Growth Edge: A Go-to-Market System That Scales, I'm joined by bestselling author and GTM expert Sangram Vajre to discuss why go-to-market isn't a marketing tactic—it's a CEO-level growth system. In this episode, you'll learn the three phases every business must navigate to scale, why alignment beats activity in every growth stage, how CEOs can drive clarity, trust, and margin-focused decisions across teams, and why AI is only a threat if you're still riding the demand-gen horse.If you're a growth-minded CEO or exec, this episode gives you the roadmap and the mindset to scale faster, smarter, and stronger. Be sure to listen through to the end, where Sangram shares three key tips—his ultimate advice for any leader ready to level up their go-to-market strategy. Let's go!Kerry Curran, RBMA (00:00.77)So welcome, Sangram. Please introduce yourself and share a bit about your background and expertise.Sangram Vajre (00:06.992)Well, at the highest level, I feel like I've had the opportunity to be in the B2B space for the last two decades and have had a front-row seat to categories that have shaped how we think about go-to-market. I ran marketing at Pardot. We were acquired by ExactTarget and then Salesforce—that was a $2.7 billion acquisition. It was a huge shift in mindset, going from a $10 million company to a $10 billion one, and I learned a lot.I became a student of go-to-market, if you will. That was in the marketing automation space. Then I launched a company called Terminus, which has been acquired twice now. Along the way, I've written three books. The one we're going to talk a lot about is MOVE, which became a Wall Street Journal bestseller. That book has created a lot of opportunities and work for us.I walked into writing this book, Kerry, thinking I knew go-to-market because I had two $100M+ exits. But I walked out of the process a student of go-to-market because I learned so much. Writing it forced me to talk to folks like Brian Halligan, the CEO of HubSpot, and partners at VC firms who have seen 200 exits—not just the three I've experienced.It really expanded my vision. Now I lead a company called Go-To-Market Partners. We're a research and advisory firm focused on helping companies understand who owns go-to-market and how to run it at a transformational level. Our clients are primarily CEOs and executive teams. That's our focus.Kerry Curran, RBMA (01:46.094)Excellent. Well, I'm very excited to dive in. I first saw you speak at Inbound last fall, and what really resonated with me was the shift from just an ABM program to a company-wide GTM program—one that includes everything from problem-market fit all the way to customer success, loyalty, and retention. Really making GTM the core of revenue growth.So I'd love for you to dive in and share that framework and background.Sangram Vajre (02:23.224)Yeah. And by the way, for people who've never attended Inbound—you should. I've spoken there for eight years straight and always try to bring new ideas. Each year, they keep giving me more opportunities—from main stage to workshops. I think you attended the 90-minute workshop, right? Hopefully it wasn't boring!Kerry Curran, RBMA (02:48.61)Yeah, it was excellent. I love this stuff, so I was taking lots of notes.Sangram Vajre (02:52.814)That was fun. The whole idea was: how can you build your entire go-to-market strategy on a single slide? Now, people might think, “There's no way—you need way more detail.” But it's not about making it complete; it's about making it clear.So everyone can be aligned. For example, in the operating system we've developed, we write research about it every Monday in a newsletter called GTM Monday, read by 175,000 people. The eight pillars are based on the most important questions. And Kerry, I don't know if you'll agree, but I think I've done a disservice for two decades by asking the wrong question.Like, I used to ask, “Where can we grow?”—which sounds smart but is actually foolish. The better question is, “Where can we grow the most, the fastest, the best, at the highest margin?” That's the true business perspective. So the operating system is built around these eight essential questions.If every executive team can align on these—not with certainty, but with clarity—then they can gain a clear understanding of what they're doing, where they're going, who their ICP is, what bets they're making, and which motions to pursue. I've done this over a thousand times with executive teams, helping them build their entire go-to-market strategy on a single slide. And it's like a lightbulb moment for them: “Okay, now I know what bets we're making and how my team is aligned.” It's a beautiful thing.Kerry Curran, RBMA (04:50.988)Yeah, because that's one of the hardest challenges across business strategy and growth: where to invest, where to lean in. So bring us through the questions and framework.Sangram Vajre (05:01.688)Yeah. So the first one is “Where can you grow the most?” The second one is really about what we call the Market Investment Map. I'll give you maybe three or four so people can get an idea. The Market Investment Map is especially useful for companies with more than one product or more than one segment. This is the least used but most valuable framework companies should be using.You might remember from the Inbound talk—I used HubSpot as an example since I was speaking at Inbound. It's interesting because at my last company, Terminus, we acquired five companies in eight years. So we had to learn this process. The Market Investment Map is about matching your best segments to the best products to create the highest-margin offering.If your entire business focuses only on pipeline and revenue—which sounds right—you're actually focused on the wrong things. You may have seen people post on LinkedIn saying, “I generated $10 million in pipeline,” and then a month later, they're laid off. Why? Because that pipeline didn't matter. It might have been general pipeline, but if you looked at pipeline within your ICP—the customers your company really needs to close, retain, and expand—it might have only been half a million. That's not enough to sustain growth or justify your role.So, understanding the business is critical. It's not just about understanding marketing skills like demand gen, content, or design. Those are table stakes. You need to understand the business of marketing—how the financials work, how to drive revenue, and how to say, “Yeah, we generated $10 million in pipeline, but only half a million was within ICP, so it won't convert or drive the margin we need.” That level of EQ and IQ is what leaders need today.Our go-to-market operating system goes deep into areas like this.Kerry Curran, RBMA (07:31.022)And I love the alignment with the ICP. I'm sure you'll get deeper into that. I also know you talk about getting rid of MQLs because the real focus should be on getting closer to the ICP—on who's actually going to drive revenue.Sangram Vajre (07:45.892)Yeah. John Miller, a good friend who co-founded Marketo, has been writing about this too. I was the CMO of Pardot. Then we both built ABM companies—I built Terminus; he built Engagio, which is now part of Demandbase. We've been evangelizing the idea of efficient marketing machines for the last two decades.We're coming full circle now. That approach made sense in the “growth at all costs” era. But in this “efficient growth” era, everything can be measured. The dark funnel is real. AI can now accelerate your team's output and throughput. So we have to go back to first principles—what do your customers really want?I was in a discussion yesterday with executives and middle managers, and the topic of AI came up. Some were worried it would take their jobs. And I said, “Yes, it absolutely will—and it should.” I gave the example I wrote about recently: imagine you were the best horseman, with saddles, barns, and a generational business built around horses. Then Henry Ford comes along with four wheels. You just lost your job—not because you were bad, but because you got infatuated with the horse, not with your customer's need to get from point A to point B.Horses did that—it was better than walking. But then came cars, trains, airplanes. Business evolves. If you focus on your customers' needs—better, faster, cheaper—you'll always be excited about innovation rather than afraid of it. So yes, AI will replace anyone who stays on their horse. If you're riding the demand gen horse or relying only on content creation, a lot is going to change. Get off the horse, refocus on customer needs, and figure out how to move your business forward.Kerry Curran, RBMA (10:21.708)Yeah. So talk a bit about honing in on the ICP. I know in one of the sessions you asked, “Who's your target audience?” And of course, there was one guy in the front row who said, “Everyone,” and we all laughed. But I still hear that all the time. Talk about how important it is, to your point, to know your customer and get obsessed with what they need.Sangram Vajre (10:45.56)Yeah. So the first pillar of the go-to-market operating system is called TRM, or Total Relevant Market. We introduced that in the book MOVE for the first time. It's a departure from TAM—Total Addressable Market—which is what that guy in the front row was referring to during that session. It was epic, and I think he was a sales leader, so it was even funnier in a room full of marketers.But it's true—and real. He was being honest, and I appreciated that. The reality is, we've all been conditioned to focus on more and more—bigger and bigger markets. That makes sense if you have unlimited funds and can raise money. It makes sense if the market is huge and you're just trying to get in and have more people doing outbound.As a matter of fact, a few weeks ago, we did a session where someone said something profound that I'll never forget. He said, “The whole SDR function is a feature bug in the VC model.” That was fascinating—because the whole SDR model was built to get as many leads as possible, assign 22-year-olds to make cold calls, and push them to AEs.We built this because it worked on a spreadsheet. If we generate 1,000 leads, we need 50 callers to convert them. It's math. But nobody really tried to improve it because we had the money. Now we're in a different world. We have clients doing $10–15 million in revenue with five-person teams automating so much.People don't read as many automated emails. My phone filters out robocalls, so I never pick up unless it's someone I know. Non-personalized emails go into a folder I never open. Yet people keep sending thousands of them, thinking it works.For example, I send our GTM Monday newsletter via Substack. It's free for readers, and it's free for me to send—even to 175,000 people. Meanwhile, marketers spend thousands every time they email their list using legacy tools. Why? Because these people haven't opted in to be part of the journey the way Substack subscribers have.The market has changed. Buying big marketing automation tools for $100,000 is going to change drastically. Fractional leaders and agencies will thrive because what CEOs really need is people like you—and frameworks like a go-to-market operating system—to guide them. You and I have the gray hair and battle scars to prove it. What matters now is using a modern framework, implementing it, and measuring outcomes differently.Kerry Curran, RBMA (14:08.11)Yeah, you bring up such a valid point. In so many of my conversations, I see the same thing. It's been a sales-led growth strategy for years. Investments went to sales—more BDRs, more cold emails, more tech stack partners.Even as I was starting my consultancy, I'd talk to partners or prospects who'd say, “Well, we just hired more salespeople. We want to see how that goes.” But to your point, without the foundational framework—without targeting the right audience—you're just spinning your wheels on volume.Sangram Vajre (15:06.318)Exactly. One area we emphasize in our go-to-market operating system is differentiation. Everyone's doing the same thing. Let me give you an example. Last week, I looked at a startup's email tool that reads your emails and drafts responses automatically. Super interesting. I use Superhuman for email.Two days later, Superhuman sent an email saying they'd launched the exact same feature. So this startup spent time and money building a feature, and Superhuman—already with a huge user base—replicated and launched it instantly. That startup is out of business.With AI, product development is lightning fast. So product is no longer your differentiator. Your differentiation now is how you tell your story, how quickly you grab attention, how well you build and maintain a community. That becomes your moat. Those first principles matter more than ever. Product is just table stakes now.Kerry Curran, RBMA (16:33.878)Right. And connecting that to your marketing strategy, your communication, your messaging—it also sets up your sales team to close faster. By the time a prospect talks to a rep, your marketing has already educated them on your differentiation. So talk more about the stages and what companies need to keep in mind when applying your go-to-market framework.Sangram Vajre (17:07.482)One of the things we mention in the book—and go really deep into in our operating system—is this 3P format: Problem-Market Fit, Product-Market Fit, and Platform-Market Fit. We believe these are the three core stages of a business. I experienced them firsthand at Pardot, Salesforce, and Terminus through multiple acquisitions.If you remember, I always talk about the “squiggly line,” because no company grows up and to the right in a straight line. If you look at daily, weekly, or monthly insights, there are dips—just like a stock market chart. So the squiggly line shows you can go from Problem to Product, but you'll experience a dip. That's normal and natural. Same thing when you go from Product to Platform—you hit a dip. Those dips are what we call the “valleys of death.”Some companies overcome those valleys and cross the chasm, and others don't. Why? Because at those points, they discover they can market and sell, but they can't deliver. Or maybe they can deliver, but they can't renew. Or maybe they can renew but not expand. Each gap becomes a value to fix in the system.And it's hard. I've gone from $5 million to $10 million to $15 million, all the way to $100 million in revenue—and every 5 to 10 million increment brings a new set of challenges. You think you've got it figured out, and then you don't—because everything else has to change with scale.I'll never forget one company I was on the board of—unfortunately, it didn't make it. The CEO was upset because they were doing $20 million in revenue but didn't get the valuation they wanted. Meanwhile, a competitor doing only $5 million in revenue in the same space got a $500 million valuation. Why? Because the $20M company was doing tons of customization—still stuck in Problem-Market Fit. The $5M company had reached Product-Market Fit and was far more efficient. Their operational costs were lower, and their NRR was over 120%.If you've read some of my research, you know I'm all in on NRR—Net Revenue Retention—as the #1 metric. If you get NRR above 120%, you'll double your revenue in 3.8 years without adding a single new customer. That's what executives should focus on.That's why we say the CEO owns go-to-market. All our research shows that if the CEO doesn't own it, you'll have a really hard time scaling.Kerry Curran, RBMA (20:23.992)That makes so much sense, because everything you're talking about—while it includes marketing functions—is really business strategy. It needs to be driven top-down. It has to be the North Star the whole company is paddling toward.I've been in organizations where that's not the case. And as you said, leadership has to have the knowledge and strategic awareness to navigate those pivots—those valleys of death. So talk about how hard it is to bring new frameworks into an organization and the change management that comes with that. As you evangelize the idea that the CEO owns GTM, what's resonating most with them?Sangram Vajre (21:26.456)Great question. First of all, CEOs who get it—they love it. The people who struggle most are actually CMOs and CROs because they feel like they should be the ones owning go-to-market. And while their input is critical, they can't own it entirely.In all our advisory work, Kerry, we mandate two things:The CEO must be in the room. We won't do an engagement without that. The executive team must be involved. We don't do one-on-one coaching—because transformation happens in teams.People often get it wrong. They think, “We need better ICP targeting, so that's marketing's job.” Or, “We need pipeline acceleration—let sales figure that out.” Or, “We have a retention issue—fire the CS team.” No. The problem isn't a department issue—it's a process and team issue.The CEO is the most incentivized person to bring clarity, alignment, and trust—the three pillars of our GTM operating system. They're the ones sitting in all the one-on-one meetings, burning out from the lack of alignment. The challenge is most CEOs don't know what it means to own GTM. It feels overwhelming.So we help them reframe that. Owning doesn't mean running GTM. It means orchestrating clarity, alignment, and trust. Every meeting they lead should advance one of those. That's the job. When the ICP is agreed upon, marketing should be excited to generate leads for it. Sales should be eager to follow up. CS should be relieved they're not getting misaligned customers. That's leadership. And there's no one more suited—or incentivized—to lead that than the CEO.Kerry Curran, RBMA (24:08.11)Absolutely. And the CFO plays a key role too—holding the purse strings, understanding where the investments should go.Sangram Vajre (24:20.622)Yes. In fact, in the book and in our research, we emphasize the importance of RevOps—especially once a company reaches Product-Market Fit and moves toward Platform-Market Fit.If you're operating across multiple products, segments, geographies, or using multiple GTM motions, the RevOps leader—who often reports to the CFO or CEO—becomes critical. I'd say they're the second most important person in the company from a strategy standpoint.Why? Because they're the only ones who can look at the whole picture and say, “We don't need to spend more on marketing; we need to fix the sales process.” A marketing leader won't say that. A sales leader won't say that. You need someone who can objectively assess where the real bottleneck is.Kerry Curran, RBMA (25:17.836)Yeah, that definitely makes so much sense. Are there other areas—maybe below the executive team—that help educate the company from a change management perspective to gain buy-in? Or is it really a company-wide change?Sangram Vajre (25:33.742)Yeah, you mentioned ABM earlier. Having written a few books on ABM and building Terminus, we've seen thousands of companies go through transformation. We now have over 70,000 students who've gone through our courses. I love getting feedback.What's interesting is that ABM has been great for aligning sales and marketing—but it hasn't transformed the company. Go-to-market is not a marketing or sales strategy. It's a business strategy. It has to bring in CS, product, finance—everyone.Where companies often fail is by looking at go-to-market too narrowly—like it's just a product launch or a sales campaign. That's way too myopic. Those companies burn a lot of cash.At the layer below the executive team, it gets harder because GTM is fundamentally a leadership-driven initiative. An SDR, AE, or director of marketing typically doesn't have the incentive—or business context—to drive GTM change. But they should get familiar with it.That's why we created the GTM Operating System certification. Hundreds of professionals have gone through it—including you! And now people are bringing those frameworks into leadership meetings.They'll say, “Hey, let's pull up the 15 GTM problems and see where we're stuck.” Or, “Let's revisit the 3 Ps—where are we today?” Or use one of the assessments. It's pretty cool to see it in action.Kerry Curran, RBMA (27:35.758)Yeah, and it's extremely valuable. I love that it's a tool that helps drive company-wide buy-in and educates the people responsible for the actions. So you've shared so many great frameworks and recommendations. For those listening, what's the first step to get started? What would you recommend to someone who's thinking, “Okay, I love all of this—I need to start shifting my organization”?Sangram Vajre (28:09.082)First, you have to really understand the definition of go-to-market. It's a transformational process—not a one-and-done. It's not something you define at an offsite and then forget. It's not owned by pirates. It's iterative. It happens every day.Second, the CEO has to be fully bought in. If they don't own it, GTM will run them. If you're a CEO and you feel overwhelmed, that's usually why—you're running go-to-market, not owning it.Third, business transformation happens in teams. If you try to build a GTM strategy in a silo—as a marketer, for example—it will fail. The best strategies never see the light of day because the team isn't behind them. In GTM, alignment matters more than being right.Kerry Curran, RBMA (29:27.982)Excellent. I love this so much. Thank you! How can people find you and learn more about the GTM Partners certification and your book?Sangram Vajre (29:37.476)You can go to gtmpartners.com to get the certification. Thousands of people are going through it, and we're constantly adding new content. We're about to launch Go-To-Market University to add even more courses.We also created the MOVE Book Companion, because we're actually selling more books now than when it first came out three years ago—which is crazy!Then there's GTM Monday, our research newsletter that 175,000 people read every week. Our goal is to keep building new frameworks and sharing what's possible. Things are changing so fast—AI, GTM tech, everything. But first principles still apply. That's why frameworks matter more than ever.You can't just ask ChatGPT to “give me a go-to-market strategy” and expect it to work. It might give you something beautifully written, but it won't help you make money. You need frameworks, team alignment, and process discipline.And I post about this every day on LinkedIn—so follow me there too!Kerry Curran, RBMA (30:54.988)Excellent. Well, thank you so much. This has been a great conversation, and I highly recommend the book and the certification to everyone. We'll include all the links in the show notes.Thank you, Sangram, for joining us today!Sangram Vajre (31:09.284)Kerry, you're a fantastic host. Thank you for having me.Kerry Curran, RBMA (31:11.854)Thank you very much.Thanks for tuning in to Revenue Boost: A Marketing Podcast. I hope today's conversation sparked some new ideas and challenged the way you think about how your organization approaches go-to-market and revenue growth strategy. If you're serious about turning marketing into a true revenue driver, this is just the beginning. We've got more insightful conversations, expert guests, and actionable strategies coming your way—so search for us in your favorite podcast directory and hit subscribe.And hey, if this episode brought you value, please share it with a colleague or leave a quick review. It helps more revenue-minded leaders like you find our show. Until next time, I'm Kerry Curran—helping you connect marketing to growth, one episode at a time. See you soon.

In a twist that flips the format, today's Marketing Trends episode puts longtime host Stephanie in the guest seat as Lacey Peace — the show's behind-the-scenes force for nearly a decade — grabs the mic. What unfolds is a no-BS conversation about how AI is dismantling the old playbook, why cold emails are basically spam of the past, and what marketers need to do now to stay relevant. Stephanie unpacks why Account-Based Experiences (ABX) — not just ABM — are the new battleground for meaningful engagement, and why trust, speed, and human connection are the real growth levers in an AI-saturated world. From digital buyer agents and decentralized discovery to building content that LLMs can't summarize, this episode delivers sharp takes on where marketing is headed — and who's already falling behind. And if you're curious about cold texting, naming dogs after food, or whether mascots actually move the needle… don't miss the lightning-fast Relevant or Irrelevant round. Key Moments: 00:00 From 2,000 Interviews to the Hot Seat01:08 How AI Is Reshaping B2B Marketing02:25 The Collapse of Traditional Tactics03:43 AI Disrupting Email & Search Marketing04:39 Why ABX Is the Future of B2B Strategy08:54 AI Buyer Agents Are Coming — Fast13:32 Trust, Community & Decentralized Buying17:07 ABM vs. ABX: What's the Real Difference?21:34 Smarter Metrics for Long-Term Growth23:13 LLMs vs. Google: The New Search Shift24:46 Building Content LLMs Can't Summarize27:00 Enterprise Entertainment as a Marketing Play30:39 Niche Content That Converts in B2B33:50 Relevant or Irrelevant? Rapid-Fire Trends  Mission.org is a media studio producing content alongside world-class clients. Learn more at mission.org.

“AI is only as powerful as the data behind it. If you don't trust the inputs, you can't trust the outputs and that's where most companies get stuck. It's not enough to have automation or algorithms; you need quality, transparency, and alignment across your go-to-market motion. That's the difference between tech that looks smart and tech that actually drives revenue.” AI is everywhere but without clean data and strategic alignment, it's just noise. In this episode of Revenue Boost: A Marketing Podcast, titled, Smarter Tech, Sharper Targeting: Fueling Revenue with AI, Data Quality, and GTM Alignment, Demandbase CMO Kelly Hopping joins host Kerry Curran to unpack what it really takes to make AI work for B2B revenue growth. From smarter targeting to scaling with efficiency, Kelly shares how enterprise leaders can leverage AI-powered tools only when grounded in high-quality data and a clearly defined ICP. You'll learn why GTM alignment matters more than ever and how to avoid the pitfalls of disconnected tech stacks and generic automation. If you're building or optimizing your go-to-market engine, this episode is your roadmap to doing it smarter.

Episode SummaryIn this special in-person episode of OnBase, host Chris Moody joins Davis Potter live from Austin, Texas, for a candid deep-dive into the evolution of account-based marketing. Davis draws on his experience across enterprise giants and nimble startups to unpack the real differences between demand gen and ABM—and why most companies are stuck in the middle.Together, they dissect the pitfalls of outdated ABM models, the importance of unifying go-to-market teams, and the need for signal-based measurement over legacy lead scoring. Davis explains the “account-based arrow,” ForgeX's new data model, and shares practical tips for aligning product marketing with ABM functions for retention and growth. Whether you're a team of one or leading a global strategy, this episode is packed with insights you can act on immediately.Key TakeawaysABM vs. Demand Gen: True ABM is more than just targeted demand generation; it requires a unified approach across sales and marketing.  Strategic ABM Implementation: Organizations should tailor their ABM strategy to their specific needs, considering factors like deal size and resources.  Measurement and Reporting: Effective ABM measurement involves tracking various metrics, including account engagement and pipeline progression, and requires a unified data model.  Cross-Functional Alignment: Alignment between ABM teams and other functions, such as product marketing, is crucial for success.  Evolving ABM: ABM is not static; it requires continuous evolution and adaptation to changing market dynamics and organizational needs.  Quotes“If you're just building lists off third-party intent and running ads, you're not doing ABM—you're just doing better DemandGen.”“Product marketing is not optional in an ABM strategy—it's foundational. They understand the customer better than anyone.”Best Moments 00:09-00:20 – Davis Potter's background and journey to 4Gex.  04:45-05:00 – The importance of aligning go-to-market strategy with business goals.  06:29-07:00 – Transitioning from demand generation to account-based marketing.  10:50-12:00 – The double funnel approach to measuring ABM success.  25:30-26:00 – The challenges of ABM benchmarks and data interpretation.  33:00-34:00 – The critical role of product marketing in ABM. Recommended resources:Newsletter:⁠ABM Tactics LinkedIn newsletter⁠ – Tactical, real-world GTM advice from the trenchesCertifications:⁠New ABM Certification Program⁠ by Demandbase in Partnership with ForgeXB2B Leaders to follow⁠Akriti Gupta⁠, Director of Marketing at LinkedIn  ⁠Désirée Daniels⁠, Retail Industry & ABM Marketing at LinkedInAbout the GuestDavis Potter is the Co-Founder of ForgeX, a firm dedicated to modernizing account-based go-to-market strategies through research-backed insights and scalable methodologies. With experience launching ABM programs at organizations like Google Cloud and Scale AI, Davis brings a rare blend of enterprise sophistication and startup agility. His unique journey—spanning billion-dollar enterprises and high-growth tech companies—has equipped him with a comprehensive view of ABM's past, present, and future.Davis is passionate about aligning sales, marketing, and product teams around unified goals and measurement systems. He frequently speaks on evolving ABM frameworks, first-party data strategies, and the shift from vanity metrics to actionable signals. Davis also co-leads the ForgeX and Demandbase certification program, shaping the next generation of account-based marketers.⁠Connect with Davis⁠.

We'll be going on a 4-week break! For 5 years it's been go, go, go, so this break will allow us to take a step back and create more awesome content for you. But whether you're an OG follower or new to the party, here are 3 episodes we think you should check out. Unlocking Company Growth in the B2B Landscape with Sean EllisHow to Think Remarkable in B2B Marketing with Guy KawasakiStrategies to Achieve More with Less Is there someone you'd love for us to interview? Or, have a topic that you want us to cover? Reach out to Shahin Hoda on LinkedIn, or email us at podcast@xgrowth.com.au. Any other thoughts? Let us know! _________________

n this episode of Fullfunnel Live, we discussed with marketing leaders how to run a successful ABM program. Join to learn: •⁠ ⁠How to get buy-in and support for ABM from sales and leadership •⁠ ⁠How to set up a pilot ABM program: resources, budget, technology and timeline •⁠ ⁠How to report on ABM to avoid internal conflicts •⁠ ⁠The most successful ABM playbooks that generated pipeline and revenue

“AI can accelerate everything, but if you don't have a clear strategy and alignment across leadership, you're just scaling inefficiency faster. Before you invest in tools or systems, you need to know why they matter, how you'll measure impact, and whether your organization is built to move fast enough to see results.” That's a quote from Mark Goloboy and a sneak peek at today's episode.Welcome to Revenue Boost, A Marketing Podcast. I'm your host, Kerry Curran—revenue growth expert, industry analyst, and relentless advocate for turning marketing into a revenue engine. Each episode, we bring you the strategies, insights, and conversations that help drive your revenue growth. Search for Revenue Boost in your favorite podcast directory and hit subscribe to stay ahead of the game.In a world where AI is evolving faster than your org chart, how do you build a marketing engine that's both smart and scalable? In From Strategy to Speed: Building a Modern Marketing Engine with AI, I sat down with Mark Goloboy, founder of Market Growth Consulting. We unpack how AI is transforming B2B marketing—and why strategy still comes first.From RAG pipelines and LLM optimization to lean team structures and rapid execution, Mark shares what today's business leaders need to know to move fast, stay aligned, and drive measurable growth. If you're tired of the AI hype and ready for more practical ways to accelerate performance, this one's for you.Be sure to listen through to the end, where Mark shares what you need to do to get started building your AI marketing engine today. Let's go!Kerry Curran, RBMA (00:01.359)So welcome, Mark. Please introduce yourself and share your background and expertise.Mark Goloboy (00:07.502)Excellent. Thank you, Kerry, for having me. Mark Goloboy, I'm the founder and CEO of Market Growth Consulting. We provide a variety of services to everything from small businesses to public companies. Our clients range from a private manufacturer north of Boston to global public companies.My background is on the sales-facing side of marketing. I've been the head of demand gen, marketing operations, and marketing analytics as I grew into marketing leadership. About two and a half years ago, I went out on my own to work directly with CEOs to fill in marketing gaps.At smaller companies, we place fractional CMOs and heads of demand gen to lead marketing, filling in subcontractors and agencies to execute. At larger companies, we run projects covering everything from marketing strategy, org strategy, budgeting, go-to-market strategy, and building out systems—we're currently doing a HubSpot to Salesforce and Marketo migration. We also do executive staffing, placing directors through CMOs either as temp-to-perm so clients can try before they buy, or through contingent staffing where if we find the right person, the client hires them for their future marketing leadership.Kerry Curran, RBMA (01:37.057)Excellent. Thank you, Mark. You've seen it all and are still very involved across business challenges and needs from a marketing, demand gen, and go-to-market perspective. There are lots of hot topics we could cover, but what are you hearing the most from your clients today? What's hottest for them?Mark Goloboy (02:03.662)Marketing really grew in 2022 and 2023 in terms of department size. But I think a lot of us felt it—venture-backed companies especially, but really everyone—wanted to get smaller again in 2023 and 2024. That was a painful adjustment across the industry. Now, as we move through 2024 into 2025, everyone is focused on:How do we do more with less? How do we think about fractional or contract roles in areas we never would have previously?That extends into AI-driven marketing, where every leader is looking to be more efficient and scale faster and smarter by using tools that take over some of the marketing workload. The real challenge now for marketing leaders is finding the balance between the people they need to hire, the money they need to spend, and where AI can make them faster, smarter, and more scalable—while still needing human review and strategic oversight.Kerry Curran, RBMA (03:38.947)Yeah, I agree. And you see so many emerging tools. I think if you search for AI in MarTech today, there's been a huge increase in companies claiming to offer something new or different. But AI actually means a lot of different things. You and I were talking earlier about how important it is to dig into the formula and structure behind what's labeled "AI." What are you seeing from that perspective?Mark Goloboy (04:15.054)Well, I think the big challenge, for me at least—I'm a solo entrepreneur running my own business with just myself and no employees—is figuring out how to work efficiently while wearing many hats.I use subcontractors who are experts at what they do, and I hire based on likeability and capability because my clients will keep rehiring me if they like who I bring them and the work gets done right.But because I'm a solo operator, I have to maximize my own productivity. So every day, I start by looking at what's on my plate and ask: "Could AI help me do this faster, better, or more scalably?"Whether it's a deliverable, a proposal, or a project plan, I always pause and think about how AI can be part of the solution—even if it's just for my internal work, not necessarily client-facing marketing.Kerry Curran, RBMA (05:31.545)Thank you.Mark Goloboy (05:43.870)Each of the major frontier models—OpenAI, Google Gemini, Claude, and others—are developing rapidly. Every time I try something, it's a little different, and the outputs are constantly improving.Last week, I had a meeting with a prospect using an ABM tool I had never heard of. I wanted to appear knowledgeable, so I asked OpenAI to compare it to Sixth Sense and Demandbase, which I know well.Within a minute, it gave me four pages of detailed research on each tool, plus a comparison grid. That would have taken a junior marketer on my team two months to produce. That's how fast this technology is evolving.Kerry Curran, RBMA (06:57.549)Yes, same for me. There's so much you can do faster now. You mentioned video editing, and I recently used napkin.ai to turn raw text into beautiful slides. It's such a game-changer for solo entrepreneurs.Mark Goloboy (07:27.790)Exactly. Externally, too, clients come to us with needs, and it's up to us to creatively think: "How can we use AI to deliver this better?"Last year, we trained an AI model to write like a PhD psychologist who had run a department at Columbia Med. Using her writing, interviews, and videos, we trained Google Gemini to mimic her voice—and she couldn't tell which blog posts were hers versus AI-generated.This was mid-2024, when people still said AI content was bland. But we were producing PhD-level work that passed her own review.Kerry Curran, RBMA (08:39.865)Yeah, it's pretty incredible. It helps us do a lot more and get a lot more out of our hours and days—getting smarter and more effective. What are some of the other ways or tools you've developed for your clients to help them with their demand gen and other aspects of business?Mark Goloboy (09:00.270)Yeah, so I joke with my clients that I didn't know what the letters RAG meant in December—but now I do. It stands for Retrieval Augmented Generation. That's about developing agentic pipelines to connect your internal data sources—whether documents, databases, or internal systems—to the large language models (LLMs), so you can move information between them and generate outputs informed not just by public data, but by your own proprietary data.Right now, we're building RAG agentic pipelines for a PR firm, for example. Their CEO prioritized the three use cases that would save their account managers the most time:Meeting scheduling and rescheduling, which wastes hours every week. Contract review, since they're doing placements in major media outlets and need to review hundreds of contracts a month. Media monitoring, summarizing brand mentions across the web and sending daily summaries to clients—something that takes an hour per client per day. By automating these processes, they save massive amounts of time, and as they grow, they don't need to hire as many new account managers.Kerry Curran, RBMA (10:58.467)Yes, that's super valuable. I love that it allows them to free up time to be more strategic instead of bogged down in busywork. So what are some of the steps required for someone to set this up? How did you learn more about creating these pipelines and the RAG system?Mark Goloboy (11:20.398)There are some really good places to learn. The first one I always recommend is the Marketing AI Institute. Paul Roetzer is the founder, and I learn the most from him.Paul and his content lead put out a one-hour podcast every week that breaks down everything that's changed in AI since the last episode. It's incredibly rich information. I usually listen at 1.5x speed and get through it in 40 minutes. I don't care about every topic, but I hear what matters and know where to dive deeper.Beyond that, I follow a few amazing marketers—Liza Adams, Nicole Leffer, and Andy Crestodina—who are brilliant at testing new things and sharing what works. They save me countless hours of trial and error.Kerry Curran, RBMA (12:41.133)Thank you—we'll be sure to include all of those in the show notes as well. One thing you mentioned was that the podcast covers what's changed in just the past week. AI is changing so fast. What should people keep in mind when they're building these tools or leveraging different sources?Mark Goloboy (13:01.336)I'm used to building very permanent, robust systems—CRM, marketing automation, ABM platforms—that are meant to deliver value for years. But with AI, we have to accept that some development is disposable.It's crucial to prioritize effort. We help clients understand: we're not building something that will last 5 years. Some of the code we build today might be obsolete in 6–12 months.For example, OpenAI just launched a new pipeline tool that replaced the one we were using. If we had spent six months building on the old system, it would already be outdated.So we advise clients: build for today's ROI and be ready to pivot constantly. If you're rigid, you'll miss the opportunity.Kerry Curran, RBMA (14:47.747)Yeah, it made me think about how, in a lot of organizations, it takes so long just to get buy-in and approvals to start using new tools. It's a whole culture and mindset shift—especially for marketing leaders.Mark Goloboy (15:07.788)Exactly. I couldn't imagine a one-year approval cycle for an AI project. By the time you'd get sign-off, the tools would have changed and you'd have to start over.You need faster review and approval cycles. Otherwise, AI-driven innovation simply won't be possible.Kerry Curran, RBMA (15:29.475)Yes, definitely. And that's another benefit of bringing someone like you in—you're well-versed in what's changing, and you have the curiosity and experience to guide them through it.Mark Goloboy (15:45.954)Exactly.Kerry Curran, RBMA (15:47.407)So for people listening who want to get started—maybe building custom pipelines or just leveraging AI more—what are the foundations they need to have in place?Mark Goloboy (16:14.830)The most important thing is a good strategy.When we come into companies, often because of turnover—whether it's the CRO, CMO, CEO—they don't have strong alignment on strategy anymore. If you don't have a clear strategy that demands an investment, and you don't know how you'll measure the value of what you're building, you're setting yourself up for failure.So we always start at the strategic level first.We also move fast. If you want a slow project, there are large consulting firms that are happy to take years and millions of dollars. That's not us. We think in three- to six-month project cycles—then we operate and optimize from there.We want to move quickly and get you results now, not years down the road.Kerry Curran, RBMA (18:29.229)That's such an important point. And it ties back to so many of the themes we talk about on this podcast—internal alignment, clear business goals, and unified execution across the organization.One of the tools you mentioned that I think is really fascinating helps address the trend of AI tools becoming new search engines. Can you talk about how you're helping your clients optimize for that?Mark Goloboy (19:19.950)Absolutely. Most of my clients are B2B. And historically, Google was how people found solutions. You wrote your content for Google—end of story.But now, with ChatGPT and other LLMs, people are searching inside AI to get answers. It's shifting fast—from 80/20 Google to maybe 50/50 Google/LLMs within a few years.We partnered with a tool called Brand Luminaire. It analyzes how LLMs like Gemini, Claude, and ChatGPT surface information about your brand and your competitors.Critically, it shows you what sources the LLMs are pulling from. That means you know where to focus your writing, PR, and SEO efforts—not just for Google, but for the LLMs too.It's a massive shift. Brands that don't adapt will lose mindshare at the point of research and decision-making.Kerry Curran, RBMA (22:06.307)That's excellent. It's something all brands are going to need to prioritize as search behavior expands beyond just Google.So this has been great, Mark. Thank you so much for sharing so many practical insights and tools. For people who want to get in touch with you and learn more about your services, where should they go?Mark Goloboy (22:29.454)They can email me directly at mark@marketgrowthconsulting.com—I'm very functional with my branding: market growth consulting is what I do!Or you can find me on LinkedIn—I'm easy to find with my unique last name.Kerry Curran, RBMA (22:46.541)Awesome. We'll put that in the show notes too. Thank you again, Mark, for being here and sharing so much of your expertise.Mark Goloboy (22:55.064)Thank you so much for having me, Kerry.Kerry Curran, RBMA (22:57.071)Thank you.Thanks for tuning in to Revenue Boost: A Marketing Podcast. I hope today's conversation sparked some new ideas and challenged the way you think about how to incorporate AI into your marketing strategy and initiatives.If you're serious about turning marketing into a true revenue driver, this is just the beginning. We've got more insightful conversation, experts, guests, and actionable strategies coming your way. So search for us in your favorite podcast directory and hit subscribe!And hey, if this episode gave you value, share it with a colleague and leave a quick review. It helps more revenue minded leaders like you find the show. Until next time, I'm Kerry Curran, revenue marketing expert helping you connect marketing to growth one episode at a time. We'll see you soon.

In this episode of The HealthTech Marketing Show, guest host Mark Erwich leads a deep dive into pipeline optimization and deal acceleration, featuring expert insights from healthcare tech marketing leaders Amy Swanson and Michael Passanante. They discuss the essential strategies for aligning teams around pipeline goals, the use of collaborative scorecards for performance measurement, effective buyer engagement tracking, and the evolving roles of business development representatives (BDRs). They also explore how marketing teams can influence pipeline acceleration, customer retention strategies, and the importance of brand building as part of a holistic approach to pipeline management.Key Topics Covered:"Introduction (00:00:00)"“Integrating Pipeline Goals with Strategic Planning (00:04:35)”“Measuring Marketing Influence on Opportunities (00:06:21)”“Creating and Utilizing a Collaborative Scorecard (00:07:56)”“Identifying and Engaging the Buying Committee (00:12:13)”“Role of BDRs in Pipeline Generation (00:14:05)”“Marketing's Role in Pipeline and Alignment Across Teams (00:18:11)”“Translating Pipeline Goals into Marketing Metrics (00:19:42)”“Leveraging Technology to Enhance Sales Velocity and Engagement (00:21:06)”“Balancing Customer Retention and Pipeline Generation (00:23:07)”“Marketing's Contribution to Pipeline Acceleration (00:25:35)”“Final Recommendations for Marketing Leaders (00:28:30)”Resources:Sales Enablement Tool: https://www.paperflite.com/Are you interested in learning more about the challenges of pipeline optimization? This detailed blog post explores the topic in greater depth.Connect with me: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamturinas/Subscribe to The HealthTech Marketing Show on Spotify or watch us on YouTube for more insights into marketing, AI, ABM, buyer journeys, and beyond!

Send us a textIn this episode we interview Mason Cosby, founder of Scrappy ABM and host of the Scrappy ABM podcast. Mason brings years of experience and over 300 podcast episodes focused on Account-Based Marketing (ABM) to this energetic and insight-packed conversation.What you'll learn in this episode:Why 50% of ABM messaging should be universal—and the other 50% deeply personalizedThe real role of content in a high-performing ABM programHow to define buyer journey stages using tangible behaviors and real engagement signalsThe “4D Framework” for aligning sales and marketing: Data, Distribution, Destination, DirectionHow to enable sales with smart content, contextual messaging, and battle-tested templatesWhat first-party engagement can tell you that third-party intent data never willWhy “awareness” isn't a feeling—it's a trackable milestoneHow to revive deals stuck in limbo with a meaningful re-engagement strategy

"No tech stack, no playbook, no AI prompt is ever going to get you to that ultimate breakthrough that legacy status, that hockey-stick growth. It just won't. What gets you there is brand: your story, your why, and the emotional connection you build with your buyers. No one buys from you because you're great at executing a playbook. They buy because of who you are, what you stand for and ultimately, what you stand for for them.” Lindsay Tjepkema In this episode of Revenue Boost: A Marketing Podcast, titled, Your Brand Is Your Future: Scaling B2B Revenue Beyond Playbooks and Tech Stacks, host Kerry Curran sits down with brand strategist and three-time founder Lindsay Tjepkema to challenge the conventional wisdom dominating B2B go-to-market strategies. Amid the noise of AI, tech stacks, and templated playbooks, Lindsay makes a bold case: brand is the ultimate growth engine and the most overlooked. Together, Kerry and Lindsay unpack why so many B2B leaders are stuck in a cycle of sameness, chasing tools and frameworks while ignoring the emotional resonance that actually drives buyer decisions. Lindsay shares her BRAVE framework and explains how real, human brand storytelling creates clarity, trust, and long-term revenue impact. If you're tired of performance marketing that plateaus, or if your tech stack feels full but your pipeline doesn't this episode will show you why your brand is your future.

Episode summary:In this episode of OnBase, host Chris Moody sits down with Trent Talbert to dissect the 2025 B2B marketing landscape—from evolving ABM strategies to the real reason high-growth companies are struggling despite bigger budgets. Trent shares insights from the newly released AMP25 survey and offers sharp, data-backed guidance on where modern marketers should double down and what they should ditch.You'll hear why personalization is still broken in most orgs, how bold messaging can break through the noise, and why “do more with less” is a dangerous myth. Packed with practical wisdom and a few mic-drop moments, this episode is a must-listen for any B2B marketer looking to elevate their strategy this year.Key TakeawaysOptimism in Goals: A significant majority (80%) of B2B tech marketers are optimistic about achieving their goals this year.  Growth Challenges: Faster-growing companies often face more challenges, requiring a broader approach to marketing.  ABM and Personalization: Organizational silos can hinder effective ABM and personalization. Emerging brands have an advantage in implementing these strategies due to their lack of legacy systems.  Standing Out: Brands can capture attention through bold, creative, and emotionally resonant messaging that balances rational appeals.  Customer Focus: There's a growing emphasis on customer loyalty, lifetime value, and downstream engagement, including onboarding and renewals.  Budget Trends: Most budgets are flat or increasing, but companies are urged to choose either a cost-reduction or growth strategy.  Tactic Stability: The top six marketing tactics have remained consistent, highlighting the importance of executing fundamentals well and creating a coherent customer experience across channels.  Best Moments (00:35) - Trent Talbert's career journey in B2B tech.  (02:39) - The relationship between growth and marketing challenges.  (03:54) - Obstacles to fully leveraging ABM and personalization.  (06:51) - Strategies for brands to stand out.  (10:05) - Budget trends and strategic recommendations.  (14:05) - The importance of strategic focus.  (16:54) - Recommended tools in the intent and personalization space.  (18:05) - Trent's favorite reads and the importance of brand building.Tech RecommendationsDemandbase – ABM + intent toolsMutiny – Website personalizationBooks:The Four Conversations by Blair EnnsPodcasts:Two Bobs Podcast with Blair Enns & David C. BakerReports:April Six Marketing Pulse 2025Blair Enns, Founder, Win Without PitchingApril Dunford, Founder, Ambient Strategy, and positioning expert for tech companiesBob Wright, Founder, FirebrickAnna Powell, RevOps influencer in the B2B spaceAbout the guest:Trent Talbert is a seasoned professional with a strong background in strategy and account management. At April Six, Trent currently holds the position of Head of Strategy for North America. Prior to this role, Trent worked at Doremus as an Account Supervisor, gaining experience in various account executive roles. Trent has also worked in advertising and PR, further showcasing their diverse skill set. With a BS in Business-Marketing from the University of Missouri Trulaske College of Business, Trent is well-equipped to handle the challenges of their dynamic roles in the industry.Connect with Trent.

Vinnie chats with a marketer who didn't start her professional career in marketing but in hospitality. Now Marketing Manager at Logicalis, Morgan Wilkinson, shares with us her hospitality experiences that have shaped her entire approach to B2B.

Uno de los principales errores al diseñar una estrategia de marketing B2B es hacerlo bajo la hipótesis de que todos  los clientes de tu mercado están buscando actualmente la solución que ofreces. Y eso es lo que estás haciendo cuando basas tu estrategia de marketing en inbound marketing o SEO y SEM. Sin embargo, la realidad es bien distinta. Solo un 5% de todo tu mercado está  buscando activamente tu producto o servicio.   ¿No te gustaría llegar al 95% restante? Pues de esto hablo en el episodio de esta semana. Si quieres aprender a diseñar estrategias ABM que te permitan salir del océano rojo donde estás compitiendo y llegar a un océano azul, todavía hay plazas en mi curso ABM para todos. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/quieres-aprender-hacer-account-based-marketing-leticia-del-corral--3s8sf/?trackingId=9xUyaiRWHhr%2B03C2IUmh0g%3D%3D      

On today's episode we're pleased to have Hilary Carpio, VP of Growth Marketing at Snowflake.We chat about how Hilary built a scalable ABM program at Snowflake, why marketing and sales alignment is critical for GTM success, and how AI is transforming sales outreach and content generation. Hilary shares insights from her experience leading growth marketing and demand generation at Snowflake and co-authoring the book Busting Silos.In this episode, you'll learn:Why sales and marketing alignment is the key to GTM successHow Hilary scaled Snowflake's ABM strategy—and why it workedHow AI is being used to create hyper-targeted ad copy and improve SDR efficiencyWhy building a foundation of trust with your sales team drives better outcomesFor more from ZI Labs, visit ⁠www.zoominfo.com/labs⁠ Ben on LinkedIn - www.linkedin.com/in/bensalzman Millie on LinkedIn - www.linkedin.com/in/milliebeetham

In this episode of The Loop, Tim and Liam reunite six months after their first ABM deep dive to share how their program at Cognism has matured into a high-performing machine. From refining their ICP and working hand-in-hand with sales to building an account prioritisation engine and embracing out-of-the-box 1:1 tactics, this conversation is packed with actionable insights for any team trying to scale ABM without overspending on tools.

“Don't ask for the meeting. People aren't dumb. Your job is to help them do theirs better,” says Mason Cosby, CEO and co-founder of Scrappy ABMIn this episode of The Content Cocktail Hour, Jonathan Gandolf sits down with Mason Cosby, CEO and co-founder of Scrappy ABM, to break down what account-based marketing really looks like without six-figure software. Mason shares how his team generated $3M in revenue in 18 months using little more than a podcast and LinkedIn—and why most companies get ABM wrong by focusing on tools instead of strategy. He also outlines the criteria for who should and shouldn't be running ABM, and how aligning with finance, sales, and customer success is the real game-changer.In this episode, you'll learn:Why tooling isn't what makes or breaks your ABM program—and what actually doesHow to build a content-led ABM engine using what you already haveThe critical signals that mean your company is (or isn't) ready for ABMResources:Connect with Jonathan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-gandolf/Explore AudiencePlus: https://audienceplus.comConnect with Mason on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/masoncosby/ Explore Scrappy ABM: https://scrappyabm.com Timestamps:(00:00) Intro(01:20) Marketing insights(01:49) The essence of Scrappy ABM(04:01) Building effective ABM programs(16:28) The role of content in ABM programs(16:56) Starting with what you have(19:23) Mapping content to buyer journeys(26:43) Don't ask for the meeting

A seasoned global marketing leader with more than two decades of experience at IBM, Cheryl Caudill is passionate about client-centric marketing and ABM. She leads the Global Center of Excellence for ABM and Demand Marketing, orchestrating strategies that blend data, insights, and AI to improve client relationships and drive revenue growth. Watch this episode and learn:The structure and role of IBM's ABM Center of ExcellenceHow the ABM CoE coordinates two-way communication with regional ABM teamsHow ABM plays a role in shifting enterprise brand perceptionWhy success in ABM starts with patience, sales buy-in, and long-term relevance

In this episode of the Account-Based Marketing podcast, Jodi Lebow, Vice President of Global Demand Center, reveals how Hexagon is transforming its approach to growth by integrating ABM, demand generation, and client-centricity across its global operations.

“When 70% of consumers say they prefer to buy from brands that reflect their values, inclusive marketing stops being a ‘nice-to-have' it becomes a competitive advantage. Align your marketing dollars with that reality, and you're not just doing the right thing you're unlocking a scalable growth opportunity.” Dennis Tse In this episode of Revenue Boost: A Marketing Podcast, titled, The Future Is Multicultural: How Inclusive Marketing Fuels Revenue Growth, Kerry Curran sits down with Dennis from Sertify to tackle a topic too many executives still overlook: the direct link between inclusive marketing and bottom-line revenue. With 70% of U.S. consumers preferring to buy from brands that reflect their values—and a multicultural majority already emerging in the under-35 demographic—this isn't just a social conversation. It's a business imperative. Dennis breaks down: Why inclusive marketing isn't just ethical, it's profitable The hard data behind shifting demographics and consumer behavior How brands can identify and invest in diverse-owned media partners What readiness looks like to scale inclusive marketing across affiliate, programmatic, and influencer ecosystems If you're a brand leader serious about long-term growth, you can't afford to ignore the multicultural future. Tune in for the insights and strategies to start making inclusive marketing a core part of your revenue plan.

Episode SummaryIn this episode of OnBase, host Chris Moody welcomes Brandon Ratliff for a compelling conversation about the evolution of Martech, the promise (and limitations) of AI, and the art of staying future-ready in an ever-accelerating landscape.Brandon shares his unconventional path from coding hobbyist to martech leader, while offering tactical advice for building scalable stacks, enabling data-informed personalization, and fostering innovation within teams. He unpacks what it means to shift from “T-shaped” to “I-shaped” marketers, the human side of AI-driven growth, and how organizations can maintain curiosity to avoid losing their competitive edge.Whether you're leading an enterprise marketing team or scaling a scrappy startup strategy, Brandon's insight into modern Martech is both practical and visionary.Key TakeawaysThe Evolving Marketer: The shift from T-marketer to I-marketer highlights the importance of data literacy in addition to channel-specific expertise.  Data-Driven Marketing: Clean and well-utilized data is crucial for the success of MarTech initiatives.  Future of MarTech: AI and predictive analytics are key to enhancing efficiency, personalization, and ROI in marketing.  Essential MarTech Stack: A core MarTech stack includes a CDP, marketing automation platform, ABM tool, and CRM.  AI's Role in Marketing: AI enhances marketing through production, planning, creative management, and scaled personalization.  Importance of Human Connection: Human relationships remain fundamental in marketing and business despite technological advancements.  Future-Proofing Skills: Marketers must prioritize continuous learning, including prompt engineering and AI tools, to stay ahead.  Fostering Innovation: Leaders should encourage experimentation and calculated risk-taking to drive marketing innovation.  Qualities of a Modern Marketer: Key competencies include fearlessness, curiosity, creativity, and data-centricity.  Signs of Losing Competitive Edge: Stagnation, lack of investment in new tools, and failure to train employees are warning signs.  Change Management: Overcoming resistance to change and fostering belief in new initiatives is a significant challenge in marketing. Quotes“You don't have to know everything. But you do have to know your data.Best Moments 00:48 - 02:18 Brandon shares his journey into MarTech.  02:48 - 03:32 The importance of data in marketing.  05:36 - 06:20 Pragmatic approach to data.  06:54 - 08:14 Core components of a MarTech stack.  08:14 - 09:41 The role of AI in enhancing marketing.  10:33 - 12:29 The balance between technology and human connection.  13:13 - 16:38 Strategies for future-proofing marketing skills.  21:26 - 23:18 Signs a company is losing its competitive edge.  23:35 - 25:22 The biggest challenge in marketing today: change management.  About the GuestBrandon is a seasoned leader in marketing technology and operations at Qualcomm. With a passion for innovation and a knack for navigating the digital realm, Brandon has been instrumental in advancing Qualcomm's Martech strategies. He has successfully implemented transformative technologies, including advanced marketing automation and analytics tools, to drive data-driven success. Known for his thought leadership and commitment to staying ahead of industry trends, Brandon's work exemplifies the powerful synergy between marketing and technology. Join us as he shares his insights and experiences in unlocking the potential of the Martech stack.Connect with Brandon.

How do you market to someone who doesn't even know what they're looking for yet? That's the challenge with the mining industry, and we're unpacking it all in this episode with Alex Lloyd, Head of Marketing for Advanced Navigation.

Episode SummaryIn this episode of OnBase, host Chris Moody and Parth Mukherjee delve into the critical role of customer voices in shaping go-to-market strategies. Parth shares his journey through the tech industry, highlighting his experiences in product marketing and go-to-market strategy across different company stages. He emphasizes the importance of product marketing teams in bringing the customer's perspective into the organization and outlines the five key components of a go-to-market strategy: who, what, why, where, and how. Parth also discusses methods for collecting and analyzing customer data, balancing quantitative and qualitative feedback, and addressing stakeholder resistance. Additionally, he explores emerging marketing trends, the use of AI in marketing, and the challenges of B2B marketing, such as attribution.Key Takeaways:Voice of the Customer is Key: Customer insights are crucial for shaping effective go-to-market strategies.  Five Components of Go-to-Market Strategy: The five key questions to answer are who is the target audience, what are the offerings, why should buyers care, where should we sell, and how do we hit our targets.  Data Collection and Analysis: Utilize a combination of call recording technologies, surveys, customer interviews, and focus groups to gather customer feedback.  Balancing Quant and Qual: Combine quantitative data with qualitative insights to build compelling narratives and make informed decisions.  Addressing Stakeholder Resistance: Use proof and data to overcome internal misconceptions and align stakeholders.  Importance of Timing: Gather customer feedback throughout the product life cycle, starting from the product vision stage.  Emerging Marketing Trends: The importance of buyer self-education, hyper-personalized marketing, prompt engine optimization (PEO), and the convergence of ABM with intent data.Quotes“Product marketing should be the voice of the company in the market—and more importantly, the voice of the market inside the company.”Best Moments 00:07: Parth shares his journey into tech and marketing.  03:30: The importance of customer voices in shaping go-to-market strategy.  04:45: The five components of an effective go-to-market strategy.  07:30: Methods for data collection and analysis.  13:00: How to deal with stakeholder resistance using proof and data.  16:15: The importance of gathering customer feedback throughout the product life cycle.  19:00: Emerging marketing trends for the next five years.  22:30: Use cases of AI in marketing.24:30: The biggest challenge in B2B marketing: attribution. Tech Recommendations⁠Chorus⁠ – Call intelligence for market and product insights.⁠MindTickle⁠ – Deal rooms and enablement for modern B2B sales.⁠Klue⁠ – Competitive intelligence and win-loss analytics.Books:⁠Crossing the Chasm⁠ by Geoffrey Moore⁠Building a StoryBrand⁠ by Donald MillerBlogs & Newsletters:⁠HubSpot Blog⁠⁠Gartner for Go-To-Market Insights⁠⁠Marketing Brew⁠Podcasts:⁠Marketing Over Coffee⁠⁠Product Marketing Life by PMA⁠Shout-outs:⁠Kevin Akeroyd⁠, CEO at Sovos⁠Ann Handley⁠, Chief Content Officer at MarketingProfs⁠Andy Raskin⁠, Strategic Narrative CoachAbout the Guest:Parth Mukherjee is the VP of Product Marketing, Corporate Marketing, and Go-To-Market Strategy at Sovos, a leading tax compliance platform. With over 20 years of experience in tech marketing—including pivotal roles at Adobe, Cognizant, and five high-growth VC-backed startups (four of which successfully exited)—Parth brings deep expertise in scaling companies through every phase of growth.Before joining Sovos, Parth led marketing at Chorus and MindTickle, and continues to apply a data-driven yet deeply human approach to building strategic narratives that resonate with customers and internal stakeholders alike.⁠Connect with Parth⁠.

This week we talk about: Zoho CRM: Introducing ABM Zoho PDF Editor: Latest Enhancements Zoho Writer: Advanced Document Structuring Features Our Implementation, Read, Code Share, and Tip of the Week Read the show notes: https://zenatta.com/episode-350/   

Redefining Affiliate Marketing: Brand + Performance for Maximum Revenue Impact“Affiliate marketing intersects with every part of your marketing stack—PR, influencer, paid search, content—but too often, it operates in a silo. The real opportunity lies in integrating it into your brand and performance strategy from day one. When you align affiliate with your broader media mix and apply smarter measurement, it stops being just a channel and becomes a strategic growth lever.” That's a quote from Lacie Thompson, an executive at New Engen and founder of LT Partners and a sneak peek at today's episode. Welcome to Revenue Boost: A Marketing Podcast. I'm your host, Kerry Curran—Fractional Chief Growth Officer, industry analyst, and relentless advocate for turning marketing into a revenue engine. Each episode, I bring you the strategies, insights, and conversations that will fuel your revenue growth. So search for Revenue Boost in your favorite podcast directory, and hit subscribe to stay ahead of the game.In this episode, we're pulling back the curtain on one of the most misunderstood and under-leveraged growth drivers in your marketing stack: affiliate marketing. In Redefining Affiliate Marketing Brand Performance for Maximum Revenue Impact, I'm joined by Lacie Thompson—founder of LT Partners and now an executive at New Engen, a top-tier performance marketing agency. We'll talk about why affiliate deserves a seat at your media planning table, how to integrate it with your broader marketing strategy, and how smart brands are using data and measurement to unlock serious revenue impact. So stay tuned through the ad, where Lacie shares how you can get smarter about measuring affiliate and truly integrating it into your broader strategy.Let's go.Kerry Curran, RBMA (00:01.23):So welcome, Lacie. Please introduce yourself and share a bit about your background and expertise.Lacie Thompson (00:06.617):Yeah, thanks so much for having me. I'm Lacie Thompson. My background, before I started LT Partners—an affiliate marketing agency—was in affiliate and digital marketing on the brand side.I was very lucky in the early days to have some really great mentors and leaders. After spending about six years on the brand side and then three years at another startup agency, I started LT Partners in September of 2018. We grew very quickly—very organically, I should add—and were acquired by New Engen, which is a digital marketing agency, in June of 2023.Kerry Curran, RBMA (00:53.998):Excellent. Well, we're so glad to have you here. I've always been very impressed with your success—and congratulations on building your own successful company and getting acquired.I know you've been in the industry a long time and have lots of expertise to share with us. So, to start: when you're talking to other senior executives, marketing leaders, CMOs, what's the buzz you're hearing? What are people talking about today—especially when it comes to affiliate and digital marketing?Lacie Thompson (01:27.459):Yeah, thinking of the big picture—what I found really interesting about New Engen is the way they have grown and adapted over the course of their history. New Engen is about eight or nine years old at this point, but initially started as a tech company. They built a hyper-granular bidding model on top of Google and Meta, primarily.Over time, as those platforms introduced their own algorithms, that technology became a little less important. What they realized when they took a step back was—they were an agency. It was the people helping the brands leverage the technology who were actually making a big impact. So over time, New Engen pivoted to become a performance marketing agency. Then, just before the acquisition of LT Partners, what the New Engen leaders were hearing in the market was a need to stop thinking about marketing in silos of brand and performance—and to bring it all together. Because thinking about it more holistically is where a lot of brands are trying to get. We had seen that in Affiliate very early on. That was a big part of our growth and success—this focus on understanding the incremental value of partnerships and working more closely with the ones that were more incremental. For us, that means introducing brands to new audiences. We had been hyper-focused on that in our "channel"—I use that word in quotes, because there's always debate about whether to call it a channel. But we had been doing that for a long time. So, at the same time that New Engen was pivoting toward a digital marketing solution in the space—we had already been doing that for a long time in affiliate. And they didn't have Affiliate as a capability. So it was a really natural coming together, because our thought process around measurement and how to evaluate how different marketing channels and methodologies create value for brands—whether it's within a branding ecosystem or a performance one—was very aligned. And we need to solve and measure for that across everything. So there was just a lot of strong alignment there.Kerry Curran, RBMA (04:11.03):They were so smart to acquire you—for your success, but also to see the potential of integrating an affiliate strategy into their offering. IWhere you and I have discussed in the past, I also grew up in a performance marketing world: SEO, paid search, paid social, programmatic. And the more I learned about affiliate, the more I realized affiliate needs to be part of these conversations. But what we've seen is that it's really hard to get people—especially those who haven't wrapped their head around affiliate—to recognize the importance, value, and potential of it.Lacie Thompson (05:02.073):Yeah, and I think that's what's really fun for me about the channel. Because affiliate, like I said, there's this debate around whether it's a channel or a mechanism. And I think that's part of why it's difficult for some people to wrap their head around it—because you don't have an ad platform with a campaign structure. It's not like you push a button and things change. It's 50% data analytics and deep insights—and 50% interpersonal relationships and business development of sorts.But what's funny about affiliate is it's actually the one channel that really intersects so many different parts of your marketing stack: influencer, PR, even paid search. Some partners have capabilities that fall under other types of marketing channels. But for some reason, over time, there has been this trend of affiliate-only agencies. And this narrative that you need an affiliate agency—and a separate digital or performance marketing agency—and that the two operate in silos. Oftentimes, they're not as closely connected as they could be if everything were handled under one roof.So I find the irony of that really interesting. It's not common to see digital marketing agencies that have affiliate as a core area of subject matter expertise. And obviously, as someone who's spent most of my digital marketing career in affiliate and partnerships, I found New Engen's interest in that really exciting.I think, as we'll probably talk about here, when we think about measurement, and the amount of budget brands allocate to affiliate marketing—it's so small compared to the impact it can have. And it's exciting to be part of a larger organization that has the infrastructure and teams to help us prove that value with advanced measurement.Kerry Curran, RBMA (07:27.022):Yes, definitely. And I'm excited to talk more about measurement. But we forget that, to your point, there still needs to be more buy-in, education, and understanding of affiliate's value among CMOs and senior marketers.As you said, affiliate is so full-funnel—it covers PR, awareness-building (influencer/creator or mass publications), all the way down to the research phase before purchase.It opens the door to strategic opportunities and conversations. But it's the term "affiliate" that tends to trip people up.Lacie Thompson (08:24.889):Yes, just a couple of weeks ago, we were talking to a potential client, and we actually got into the affiliate portion of the conversation by first talking about performance PR and influencers—and the convergence of brand and performance. That really opened their minds more than saying, "We're here to talk about your affiliate marketing program."What was cool in that conversation—as sometimes happens—is you could just see this light go off where people start to realize this isn't the same affiliate channel marketing that was happening 10 years ago. We're not just a bottom-of-funnel ecosystem. We really have to change the nomenclature and the structure of how we reward partners to evolve past that old, negative perception.Lacie Thompson (09:39.651):So I hope—and I've seen—that the industry is shifting. More and more people are talking about it this way. It's evolving, and that's wonderful to see.Kerry Curran, RBMA (09:52.79):Yes, I agree. And I think the more upper-funnel opportunities—really, the awareness placements—are becoming essential. I know for PR agencies, if they want to be in a top publication, they need to have an affiliate practice within their organization or partner with an affiliate agency. That's been driving a lot of the shift. And obviously, nothing's grown faster than influencers and creators. It's about understanding that there's integration and overlap. There's so much potential. And to your point, it's really important to understand that affiliate's not just toolbars or coupons.Lacie Thompson (10:36.559):Right. The cool thing about affiliate marketing is that you're essentially, as a brand, letting other people tell your story for you, right? And that is so much more powerful for consumers—hearing from an influencer, a media publication, or an editor. Especially editorial publications with strong reputations.People have a lot of trust in those voices. They trust them more than they trust the brand. So we're seeing a shift toward leveraging what your partnerships are saying about you in other marketing channels. That's another cool thing about being part of New Engen: figuring out how to take what an influencer or a content partner like Wirecutter is saying and turn that intocontent that gets in front of your audience through other channels. And I think a lot of people now know that performs much better than just the brand talking about itself.Kerry Curran, RBMA (11:46.412):Yes, I definitely think that third-party endorsement—especially from a trusted source—goes so far. Again, that ties back to what you said about affiliate being a brand strategy as well. You've talked about the shift from performance-only to brand-plus-performance integration. Talk more about how you're approaching that within New Engen and what you're seeing with clients or brands you're speaking with today.Lacie Thompson (12:19.993):Yes, I mean, historically, I grew up in the age of performance marketing, right? We had sophisticated MTAs. We were focused on understanding what the right MTA was, and how to tweak it in order to understand performance. But you get to this point where, when you're hyper-focused on trackable KPIs, you become as efficient as you can be—but you're also not scaling. So internally at New Engen, a lot of what we focused on in the early days were DTC startups that scaled very rapidly, hyper-focused on performance marketing. But then, at a certain point, you reach a plateau. And the way brands have historically thought about brand versus performance is: performance has KPIs we hold to—ROAS, CAC, whatever it is. On the brand side, those don't really exist. You're looking at engagement rates and lots of other indicators. As we've seen the two converge, we've needed to come up with better ways to measure the impact across the board. That's led to our belief that the foundation needs to be measurement—specifically, a mindset shift in how you approach it.You can't rely solely on Google Analytics as your source of truth. You can't rely just on your affiliate tracking platform—or even on some of the other channel platforms. So we believe that, to get past the performance plateau and actually grow your brand, you have to rethink how you're investing your dollars.Kerry Curran, RBMA (14:26.38):That is so smart. What I've seen over the years is that MMMs don't include all the channels—not just affiliate. Media mix modeling often only includes paid touchpoints. So it sounds like you've gotten to a point where you're really able to measure the impact. It's not “Here's your affiliate report over here, and here's your separate search, social, programmatic report.” You're really looking at the data together. So talk a bit more about how you've been able to do that.Lacie Thompson (15:02.307):Yes, our SVP of Analytics, Andrew Richardson, is just incredible. His understanding of the whole ecosystem—I really respect it. Because oftentimes, affiliate gets pushed to the side, like the redheaded stepchild. But he actually really understands it. So when he built our MMM approach, everything includes affiliate. But it goes beyond that. It also includes: How are your competitors impacting your ability to grow? If they're spending more on media, that has a negative impact on you. We've done things in our models that account for factors like: Is it an election year, and how might that affect your business? We're also looking at your brick-and-mortar store performance and how your digital spend is affecting it. So it really depends on the business and its model—what components matter, the time of year, and everything else.Lacie Thompson (16:08.943):Every situation is different. So we want to come to the table with a model that makes sense for each brand. What's really cool—and validating for me—is that early on at LT Partners, we built a proprietary platform called Lift. We believed just looking at the data in the tracking platform wasn't enough to optimize your program. We always believed that how much new traffic a partner drives is indicative of their incrementality. So we pull data from Google Analytics, match it with the tracking platform, and we've built insights and tools for our team to use on top of that data. We optimize toward partners who are introducing brands to new audiences. And with Lift, we have benchmarking data that tells us, on average, what percentage of traffic is new from content partners, coupon partners, or even individual partners.When we talk with enterprise brands that have advanced measurement tools like Measured, Rockerbox, or Northbeam, sometimes they share that data with us. And we often see close alignment between the level of new traffic and the level of incrementality these models show. Same thing with our internal MMMs. So, while we look at multiple KPIs, it's validating to see that our focus on new traffic is supported by broader measurement.That means smaller brands don't necessarily have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars. There are other ways to optimize toward what's incremental and valuable— and it doesn't have to be a massive lift.Kerry Curran, RBMA (18:34.678):Thank you for sharing that, because there are so many data points. We talk about this all the time—how the customer journey is not linear. There are so many touchpoints. They go back and forth. Being able to measure impression data—like where someone read your article or saw your brand but didn't take action until later—is really important. It's a very normal behavior pattern. And being able to still attribute that back to the publisher matters. I remember hearing about brands cutting their affiliate marketing because they couldn't prove it drove incrementality. But there's this larger lift that you're able to see. It just sounds like it's helping brands get smarter and smarter about how they're investing.Lacie Thompson (19:32.163):Yes, there are really a couple of different buckets when it comes to measurement to think about. One is actually being able to measure the impact—which I think requires a few different angles to get the right perspective on whether your affiliate program or any other channel is driving incremental value, and what that value looks like.Then there's another bucket: how do I optimize a program? How do I drive toward creating more incrementality? And those don't have to be the same things. I think sometimes when I talk about new traffic, or first-click attributed revenue versus last-click attributed revenue, people ask, “Oh my gosh, do you think we should be using first-click attributed revenue as our measurement?” And I'm like, no—that's over here. That's a different conversation. I'm talking about what data we need to look at to try to improve what the measurement says over here. And oftentimes, that means trying to grow first-click attributed revenue because that is typically more incremental than last-click.Kerry Curran, RBMA (20:50.476):Yes, and to your point, it's about looking at different data points and getting smarter. And I think the more we've seen analytics become more advanced—tracking more touchpoints—the more correlation we see between the channels and the impact they have on each other. At the end of the day, that's what makes affiliate so incredibly valuable and important.I've talked in the past about getting affiliate a seat at the planning table. When the brand is thinking about how to allocate budgets—TV, display, programmatic, search, social—affiliate needs to be part of that conversation. Within New Engen, you have that natural organizational structure to foster that. But it's still a challenge for a lot of agencies and brands that aren't looking at it that way.It sounds like it comes down to getting smarter about the data you're evaluating and how all those touchpoints are really driving impact.Lacie Thompson (21:57.435):Well, I think that's the problem. You have this conflicting dynamic within the channel: it's traditionally performance-based, and it's optimized on a last-click basis. You're paying your partners based on whether they drive the last click. And then everyone gets mad when the big partners figure out how to get that last click—and they say the channel isn't incremental. Well, maybe that's because you're hyper-focused on bottom-of-funnel, spend efficiency, and you're not thinking about partnerships strategically. You're not thinking about how to grow the channel or how to measure it appropriately to understand the impact.The last-click performance nature of the channel will never allow you to fully reward the right partners. It will never allow you to fully understand the value of those partners. So, the actual construct of the channel is in conflict with it having a greater impact on your business.Some marketing leaders just say, “I'm going to let it do its thing, be super efficient, and not pay attention to it.” But I think that's a huge miss. When you think about your holistic approach and how to grow your brand, a lot of people say, “Well, it's so small. It's only 10% of my spend.”Well, it could be 15% of your spend—but have twice as much impact—if you thought about doing it differently.Kerry Curran, RBMA (23:28.942):Yes, and that spend is purely attributable. It's usually a commission—or a cost-per-acquisition model—so it's not like other channels where you're spending millions of dollars and may never know the outcome. So, there's still a lot of education that needs to happen. But the brands you work with are lucky to have you out there helping them get smarter. So, thank you. For the people listening who are thinking, “I need to get smarter about this”—what are some of the readiness steps or foundational things they should have in place to better measure affiliate and integrate it into their broader strategy?Lacie Thompson (24:26.095):I think the first step is really just making sure everything is set up properly. Do you have your UTMs set up—assuming you're using GA, which most people are? Some people use Adobe or other sources of truth, but most still have GA.There are obviously nuances and other ways to do it, but in general, you should make sure that your UTMs are structured appropriately within your affiliate program so everything flows into Google Analytics in a way that lets you match it up with your platform data.Otherwise, you're missing visibility into traffic driven by partner—relative to one another. You might also miss out on more advanced attribution models. That's the foundation to build on top of if you want to optimize your partnerships more thoughtfully.It's also very important to have that data available to share with the partners. Publishers don't know how much new traffic they're sending you. They don't get that feedback loop. The way we think about the data isn't just for internal use—we want to share it.We want to show partners the KPIs that are most valuable to the brand and ask: What can we do together to improve these metrics? If you give them that information, many partners are creative and clever and can come up with great solutions.But a lot of them have been trained to focus on the last click, maybe a higher conversion rate or AOV. And that training does a disservice to the partnership if you're not giving them better insight—and helping them succeed in ways that also help you.Kerry Curran, RBMA (26:36.182):Yes, definitely. To your point, all of it helps companies and brands drive better results and outcomes. So it's about having the right data—and doing smarter things with it.So thank you so much, Lacie. How can people find you?Lacie Thompson (26:52.731):I feel like I'm everywhere! I'm on LinkedIn, you can email me, text me—I'm always available to chat. I'm always happy to help. I love finding ways to improve the industry holistically.I'm happy to give advice—or I love hearing what other people are doing that's cool and unique and special. I love collaborating with other brands. I'm one of those people who doesn't really say no to talking about anything, anytime.You never know where conversations might lead, so please reach out if you want to chat.Kerry Curran, RBMA (27:41.73):Definitely. Well, thank you. I'll be sure to include all that information in the show notes. I really appreciate your time. I've enjoyed our conversation and look forward to having you on again in the future. Thanks, Lacie.Lacie Thompson (27:53.859):Amazing. Thank you so much, Kerry.Kerry Curran, RBMA Thanks for tuning in to Revenue Boost: a Marketing Podcast. I hope today's conversation sparked some new ideas and challenged the way you think about affiliate performance and full funnel growth.If you're serious about turning marketing into a true revenue driver, this is just the beginning. We've got more insightful conversations, expert guests and actionable strategies coming your way. So search for us in your favorite podcast directory and hit subscribe. And hey, if this episode gave you value, share it with a colleague and leave a quick review. It helps more revenue minded leaders like you find our show.Until next time, I'm Kerry Curran, helping you connect marketing to growth, one episode at a time. We'll see you soon.

Why do so many healthcare technology marketers want to do ABM but can't get started?A. The technology investment can be very expensiveB. The technology is complicated and a bit overwhelmingC. Other reasonsThis episode focuses on a possible solution to A and B. It's called Unbundled ABM.It's a concept that can lower the barrier to entry to starting with ABM, but proceed with caution.It's not all sunshine and lollipops.In this episode, we explain unbundled ABM and its pros and cons. We start by unbundling the mother of all ABM systems, Demandbase, into its core functions. This will help you figure out what lego blocks you need to get to reconstitute a system that emulates what enterprise-grade ABM applications deliver.For this episode of The HealthTech Marketing Show, I am joined by Mark Erwich, Chief Strategy Officer, and Paul Vandre, Account Director and Digital Lead, to discuss "Unbundled Account-Based Marketing”. Mark is a veteran ABM practitioner and he provides a comprehensive breakdown of the nine components that make up a complete ABM platform, explaining the functions and benefits of each. Paul then discusses the unbundled approach, selecting individual tools to handle specific ABM functions, which gives firms more flexibility and potentially cost savings in scaling ABM.Key Topics Covered:"(00:00) Intro""(03:34) Definition of unbundled ABM and how it differs from enterprise platforms""(04:32) The ABM journey from demand gen to targeted account marketing""(07:05) Definition of a true ABM platform as specialized software for account-based strategies""(08:21) Overview of ABM platform functions including account selection and intent data""(09:51) The nine components of an ideal ABM platform""(16:46) Resources required to run ABM at scale""(18:36) Paul's explanation of Health Launchpad's approach to unbundled ABM""(24:16) Comparison to "cutting the cable" - potential advantages and drawbacks""(26:47) ABM maturity model and implementation considerations""(29:32) Demandbase CEO's perspective on different ABM approaches""(31:24) ABM as change management focused on pipeline growth, not just MQLs"Resources:These posts were mentioned in the epsiodeDemandbase CEO's thoughts on Unbundled ABMI'm pro ABM, but skeptical of “ABM Platforms”Unbundled ABM | B2B MarketingInterested in exploring whether unbundled ABM might be right for your organization? Reach out to me directly to schedule a no-obligation discussion. This isn't a sales call—just an opportunity to talk through your ABM questions and challenges.Learn more about Unbundled ABM in our detailed blog post.Connect with me: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamturinas/Subscribe to The HealthTech Marketing Show on ⁠Spotify⁠ or watch us on ⁠YouTube⁠ for more insights into marketing, AI, ABM, buyer journeys, and beyond!

Episode SummaryIn this episode of OnBase, host Paul Gibson sits down with Shimon, a leading voice in B2B marketing from SPOTONVISION. The duo dives into the big topic of bridging short-term wins with long-term growth while discussing how Account-Based Marketing (ABM) and Artificial Intelligence (AI) are transforming the future of B2B marketing strategies.With insights drawn from years of partnership and expertise, this conversation explores how to balance immediate results with long-term objectives. Whether you're looking to improve 2025 metrics or future-proof your marketing strategies, this episode offers actionable takeaways to help your team succeed. Key TakeawaysShort-Term and Long-Term HarmonyAchieve a balance between quick wins that boost immediate outcomes and strategies for sustained growth.The Role of AI in B2B MarketingLeverage AI to enhance data analysis, improve personalization, and optimize campaign efficiency.ABM Done RightAdopt evolving Account-Based Marketing practices to create impactful engagements and measurable results.Future-Forward Marketing StrategiesStay ahead by understanding the trends and innovations shaping the future of B2B marketing.Quotes"The future of B2B marketing lies in leveraging the power of AI to do more with less, while keeping personalization at the core."Best Moments04:00–07:00 – Shimon dives into his career path and how ABM became a core focus.10:00–12:30 – Shimon explains how changing buyer behaviors redefines sales and marketing strategies.15:00–18:00 – A closer look at how ABM and AI address misalignment challenges.24:00–26:00 – Shimon shares his insights on the future role of AI in account-based GTM.30:00–33:00 – Predictions on the next evolution of ABM in the B2B space. Tech RecommendationsTrendemon - Highlighted as a platform that provides real-time personalization and insights to customize content for website visitors, leveraging AI for ease of use.Resource Recommendations Books:Mindset by Carol Dweck - Suggested for fostering a growth mindset and improving team collaboration and alignment.Atomic Habits by James Clear - Advocated for creating effective personal and team habits for growth and success. Shout-OutsJoel Harrison - Founder, B2B MarketingRyan Almond - Global Marketing & ABX Director, HenkelIngrid Archer - Managing Partner, SPOTONVISIONAbout the GuestShimon is a visionary leader who believes in the power of trust, purpose, and shared ambition to bring people together. He envisions a world where businesses don't just grow but thrive through meaningful relationships—both with their customers and within their teams.In B2B, Shimon sees one of the most powerful yet often overlooked connections: the alignment between marketing and sales. When these two forces come together, businesses don't just see results—they create a real, lasting impact.Every day, Shimon is on a mission to turn this vision into reality. Whether through the conversations he sparks, the communities he builds, or the insights he shares, he is constantly looking for others who share this belief. For those who want to create a world where relationships—between businesses, between people, and within organizations—are the true drivers of success.Website: Spotonvision.comConnect with Shimon.

*from Building with Buyers*Megan Bowen is CEO at Refine Labs. Refine Labs is a demand gen agency for growth stage and enterprise B2B SaaS companies. Also check out Ep. 78 "Hire For Customer Success, Not Customer Support."Here's what we cover:Brand, Demand, and ABM. What's your approach to client work;I'm exploring the role that customers play in helping startups build to the next round - how have you seen this play out with companies you work with;What's changed about how buyers buy today, and what's still the same;Customer research is core to the work I do with my clients - how do you handle customer research at Refine Labs;How are you using AI, and what's your take on where it's going;Early stage startups testing paid ads, what's your advice (HINT: it's an expensive experiment, you need at least $3M-5M ARR);What's the biggest challenge for companies you're working with right now;Megan asks me her burning question.Megan on LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.linkedin.com/in/meganwhitebowenRefine Labs: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.refinelabs.comFor more content, subscribe to Building With Buyers on Apple or Spotify or wherever you like to listen, and don't forget to leave a review if you're lovin' the show.Music by my talented daughter.Anna on LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.linkedin.com/in/annafurmanov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

This episode features an interview with Kamal Thakarsey, CMO at Smartling, an AI Translation Platform that helps companies grow globally, faster. Kamal shares his strategy to stand out in a crowded market. He also dives into understanding trends, educating your customer, and testing even your smallest hypothesis.Key Takeaways:Fight complacency in your messaging. Companies may be comfortable with what they are doing, and comfortable sticking with the status quo, so you need to demonstrate the value of changing their approach. Test everything, from button colors to CTAs and beyond. Testing often surprises you and proves your hypotheses wrong. If you're in a crowded market, focus on truly understanding your market and customers. Investing in that research can support your efforts to differentiate. Quote:   Being an established market, there's lot of kind of noise that's happening and every company kind of raising your hand and saying, we do this, we do this.I think for us also a big part of our strategy is like standing out really like trying to show the market that like we are kind of being industry leaders and helping the space move forward. , I think it's also really about for us, also about how we really highlight kind of the value we bring to an organization and a team. Not just like, tactically, here's some solutions, we help you kind of of do better, but like, what do we actually bring the table and how are we going to help you be successful? I think to me, that's really just like foundational to them, like how we kind of run our programs and campaigns and how more effective they can be, rather than just kind of de facto doing things because we should be doing them. So, you know, one thing I really stress is just really continue to do like market research and understanding, you know, what are their priorities? What are the business initiatives? What are their executives and leaders asking them on an ongoing basis?How can we then understand those trends and that feedback and really put together, you know, smart, timely, relevant campaigns that are going to reach them? Because, like I said, we're in a crowded market with a lot of different vendors, both in the software and the services side, and we have to stand out.Episode Timestamps: *(03:35) The Trust Tree: Capturing the marketing and targeting accounts *(12:24) The Playbook: Driving intent through search*(36:59) The Dust Up: Advocating for self-service *(41:50) Quick Hits: Kamal's quick hits Sponsor:Pipeline Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com. Qualified helps you turn your website into a pipeline generation machine with PipelineAI. Engage and convert your most valuable website visitors with live chat, chatbots, meeting scheduling, intent data, and Piper, your AI SDR. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.Links:Connect with Ian on LinkedInConnect with Kamal on LinkedInLearn more about SmartlingLearn more about Caspian Studios

In this episode of "Do This, Not That," host Jay Schwedelson welcomes Greg Wise, co-founder and chief customer officer at OneScreen.ai, to discuss out-of-home advertising and marketing. This marks the first time the podcast has covered this topic, and Greg shares valuable insights on how businesses of all sizes can leverage out-of-home advertising for effective marketing campaigns.BTW! GURU Conference is back!!!