Podcasts about black licorice

Cuando quieras conocer el electrizante sonido de las bandas de Hard Rock de antes, este es uno de los monstruos olvidados de los años 70. Toda una leyenda del Rock más energético de entonces. 1.- Black Licorice (live) 2.- Mr. Limousine Driver 3.- Hooray 4.- All You've Got Is Money 5.- High On A Horse 6.- Rock & Roll American Style 7.- Destitute and Losin'

I think it is the devil's candy. Call me broken, but when the thought of black licorice enters my thoughts, I immediately picture the odd fuck from Lemony Snickets hiding a sinister grin behind his outreached hand that is gripping black licorice like it's a bouquet of dying flowers. Or that miserable pedophile in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang who goes Richter when out sniffing for children. Is there one single redeeming quality about black licorice other than the fact that it is candy? At least that's what they call it, but that's a matter of opinion. Because the flavor I get is castor oil, not candy. That's the spoonful of snake pee that children had to choke down when they caught a cold in the days before the cold war. For those of you who skipped American History, it wasn't a war that was cold. Let's move on. Black licorice is even worse than candy corn, which doesn't taste anything like corn. But in its defense, at least it doesn't taste like black licorice. In fact, it doesn't taste like anything at all, but it does look just like a giant kernel of corn, which makes it wonderfully stoney, nonetheless. I think fennel is what gives black licorice this horrific flavor. My guess is that this herb grows in Death Valley, which would constitute it as the birthplace of black licorice. Therefore, I'll bet when you're sent to the fiery depths of hell, it's actually Death Valley where they serve black licorice sandwiches for lunch with black licorice flavored mayonnaise and a fennel leaf instead of lettuce. Sounds like torture. Like when I think of drinking a witch's brew, what appears is the image of black licorice tea with a lizard tail garnish, drunk through a straw from a freshly harvested water buffalo nostril. Hey, red licorice is delicious! Green licorice would be dank. Someone should invent it. Although they'd want to take out the word liquor.   

Today we're just a couple of harmless eccentrics in our dotage as we provide listeners with another classic chewing episode with strong dirt components. Its true that Molly has come a long way, but she still gets weepy as she tries to shirk her professional duty while Matthew decides to get rich or die trying. Toxic and poisonous flavors open up to us before we share some accidental origin stories and our failed attempts at palette expansion. Calling all LILYs ! Send us your Memory Lane for our upcoming 15 year anniversary!    Support Spilled Milk Podcast!Molly's SubstackMatthew's Bands: Early to the Airport and Twilight DinersProducer Abby's WebsiteListen to our spinoff show Dire DesiresJoin our reddit

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‘The Full Go' returns from a weeklong break, and Jason starts the pod by sharing what the White Sox have been up to during his vacation. He then breaks down the DeMar DeRozan trade to the Sacramento Kings, and waxes poetic on what the veteran forward has meant to the Bulls and the league during his tenure (20:44). After an amusing anecdote about betting on boxing, Jason laments Tim Anderson's unemployed status, and the news of Kenny Williams's quest to return to MLB (58:17). Leave us a message on the ‘Full Go' listener line at ‪(773) 688-4232‬, or write to us at TheFullGo@gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you! The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Jason Goff Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Williams, Tony Gill, and Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Xiao Wang is the co-founder and CEO of Boundless Immigration, a technology company that assists immigrants in navigating their immigration journey. With a background at Amazon, Xiao has honed his leadership skills to create a purpose-driven organization. Under his leadership, Boundless has served tens of thousands of immigrants annually, receiving countless positive feedback and testimonials. Xiao's focus on values, culture, and decision-making has led to the development of a successful and impactful company. Connect with Xiao on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/xiaowang1/ You'll hear Lindsay and Xiao discuss: Values should have edge and require trade-offs. Setting values that differentiate a company and necessitate trade-offs helps drive decisions and align the organization towards a common goal. Values evolve with maturity. As a company grows and faces new challenges, revisiting and evolving values is crucial to ensure they continue to guide decision-making effectively. Build a "black licorice culture." Focusing on attracting individuals who align with the company's unique culture ensures a cohesive team that can thrive in the organization's environment. Saying no is essential. Prioritizing and saying no to good but not great ideas is necessary to focus resources on what will have the most significant impact on the company's goals. Deliberate experimentation is key. Conducting experiments with specific learning objectives and actionable outcomes ensures that resources are used effectively and learnings drive meaningful change. Prioritization before experimentation. Choosing to focus on one key initiative rather than spreading resources thin across multiple experiments leads to more impactful results and clearer learnings. Specific learning objectives are crucial. Clearly defining what the company aims to learn from each experiment and how that learning will inform future actions is essential for driving progress. Values should be decision-making filters. Using values and cultural norms as filters for decision-making helps prioritize initiatives that align with the company's core beliefs and goals. Balance speed and thoroughness. Striking a balance between speed and thoroughness in decision-making is crucial to ensure efficient progress without sacrificing quality or effectiveness. Clear communication is key. Transparent communication about company values, goals, and expectations helps attract individuals who align with the organization's culture and mission, fostering a cohesive and effective team. Resources Xiao Wang on LinkedIn | Boundless Immigration

Ghost stories are on the menu today featuring demons, hauntings, and reasons to NEVER sleep again Join my Discord! https://discord.gg/3YVN4twrD8 Follow the Unexplained Encounters podcast! https://pod.link/1152248491 Join EERIECAST PLUS to unlock ad-free episodes and support this show! (Will still contain some host-read sponsorships) https://www.eeriecast.com/plus SCARY STORIES TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 INTRO 0:50 Demonic Attachment from ProudFenianWarrior 4:56 The Humming Lady from Lunarprophecy 12:11 Man in the Top Hat from Noah D. 22:48 A Little Christmas Shopping from Redscarecrow99 31:17 The Red Crayon from Anonymousviewerph22 34:02 House on the Farm from Reagan 41:31 The Woman in my Room from radnomaccount342 44:37 House of Renters from Medzie 50:37 Ghost Dog from SkittleMcDittle 52:33 Black Licorice from Strange.one.love 55:31 Something Dark in my Childhood Home from Vanna0416 Get some creepy merch at https://eeriecast.store/ Follow and review Tales from the Break Room on Spotify and Apple Podcasts! https://pod.link/1621075170 Follow us on Spotify! https://open.spotify.com/show/3mNZyXkaJPLwUwcjkz6Pv2 Follow and Review us on iTunes! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/darkness-prevails-podcast-true-horror-stories/id1152248491 Submit Your Story Here: https://www.darkstories.org/ Get Darkness Prevails Podcast Merchandise! https://teespring.com/stores/darknessprevails Subscribe on YouTube for More Stories! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh_VbMnoL4nuxX_3HYanJbA?sub_confirmation=1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We had some major technical issues with this episode and now it's likely the shortest ep we've ever produced.  All our guests have tv credits. try not 2 cum.

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We're talking some of the worst costumes growing up and come check out what made our worst candies for Halloween list (Black Licorice, nuff said!) Plus, we're recapping episodes 1-3 of Loki season 2, Fiege boots two Avengers, Matthew Vaughn is making his voice heard and more!! #blerdseyeview #blerdstation #blerdcommunity #entertainmentnews #loki #kang #xmen #comicbook #gaming #reviews #halloweencandy #halloweencostumes #clips #funny

We're talking some of the worst costumes growing up and come check out what made our worst candies for Halloween list (Black Licorice, nuff said!) Plus, we're recapping episodes 1-3 of Loki season 2, Fiege boots two Avengers, Matthew Vaughn is making his voice heard and more!! #blerdseyeview #blerdstation #blerdcommunity #entertainmentnews #loki #kang #xmen #comicbook #gaming #reviews #halloweencandy #halloweencostumes #clips #funny

‘Eat Your Words' is back! Seahawks got a big win over the Cardinals on Sunday sooooo, Terry will be blind folded and have to describe a food he's eating, if he says one of the 3 ‘BUZZ WORDS' picked by Jeetz, he gets shocked with an electrical dog shock collar! Listen to Terry's electric description of a Black Licorice! 

"Meditative and calm. This source recording is in the water, and I think water and breath are related. Breathing in and out reminds me of waves crashing on a sea shore. This song should evoke the breath and the sea together as you drift off to sleep." Carkeek marsh reimagined by Galen Spikes.  Part of the Music for Sleep project - for more information and to hear more sounds from the collection, visit https://citiesandmemory.com/music-for-sleep/

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I think it is the devil's candy. Call me broken, but when the thought of black licorice enters my thoughts, I immediately picture the odd fuck from Lemony Snickets hiding a sinister grin behind his outreached hand that is gripping black licorice like it's a bouquet of dying flowers. Or that miserable pedophile in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang who goes Richter when out sniffing for children. Is there one single redeeming quality about black licorice other than the fact that it is candy? At least that's what they call it, but that's a matter of opinion. Because the flavor I get is castor oil, not candy. That's the spoonful of snake pee that children had to choke down when they caught a cold in the days before the cold war. For those of you who skipped American History, it wasn't a war that was cold. Let's move on. Black licorice is even worse than candy corn, which doesn't taste anything like corn. But in its defense, at least it doesn't taste like black licorice. In fact, it doesn't taste like anything at all, but it does look just like a giant kernel of corn, which makes it wonderfully stoney, nonetheless. I think fennel is what gives black licorice this horrific flavor. My guess is that this herb grows in Death Valley, which would constitute it as the birthplace of black licorice. Therefore, I'll bet when you're sent to the fiery depths of hell, it's actually Death Valley where they serve black licorice sandwiches for lunch with black licorice flavored mayonnaise and a fennel leaf instead of lettuce. Sounds like torture. Like when I think of drinking a witch's brew, what appears is the image of black licorice tea with a lizard tail garnish, drunk through a straw from a freshly harvested water buffalo nostril. Hey, red licorice is delicious! Green licorice would be dank. Someone should invent it. Although they'd want to take out the word liquor.   

His company grew 1,131 percent over the past three years–and he realizes that kind of fast pace isn't for everybody, even with an important mission in mind. Xiao Wang in 2017 had founded Boundless Immigration, a Seattle-based tech company that helps individuals and families navigate immigration paperwork and processes through data, and through its online platform. Today its process has a 99 percent success rate, and the company has helped more than 70,000 individuals file for green cards or citizenship. To keep growing at its rate, Xiao maintains an “adapt and evolve” strategy, and realizes that perfection is sometimes the enemy of progress. He tells host Christine Lagorio-Chafkin that his company's culture of fast-growth and constant change isn't for everyone–just like black licorice. 

Elon Musk = child. Here we go again. To love or hate black licorice. Alexis alone on black licorice love island. Valerie Bertinelli's cooking show on Food Network has been canceled. Bethenny has an idea of how to do a “Real Housewives of New York” legacy-style show and we're on board.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What does true love look like? Is it a feeling or something more? My guest, Kim Sorrelle, is considered an expert on the subject of love having written two books. The first is entitled Cry Until You Laugh, a book about her and her husband's battle with cancer after being diagnosed just 4 months a part, and the second entitled Love Is which chronicles Kim's year long quest to figure out the true meaning of love during her life changing experience in Haiti. For more information: https://www.kimsorrelle.com To join the Love Challenge: https://www.kimsorrelle.com/copy-of-love-challenge Background music: Get It Started Artist: RA Music from Uppbeat (free for Creators!): https://uppbeat.io/t/ra/get-it-started

The MisFitNation Welcomes Kim Sorrelle – Author, speaker, lover of people and black licorice Welcome to our Take it Home Thursday show this week. We are glad you are back with us and look forward to hearing your thoughts on this chat. We started the week off with our chat with US Navy Seal Veteran Marty Strong and now we bring you Kim Sorrelle for a chat about the meaning of love Kim Sorrelle is an entrepreneur, director of a humanitarian organization, author, and speaker. She devoted a year in search of the true meaning of love and she found it. Her award-winning best-selling book, Love Is, chronicles her sometimes funny, sometimes scary, always enlightening journey that led to life-changing discoveries found mainly on the streets of Haiti. Kim is now on a mission to change the world with the power of love. This is a chat you will not want to miss. Enjoy episode 230 of The MisFitNation! Check out her website here: https://www.kimsorrelle.com/ All of our latest episodes and videos can be found here: https://www.themisfitnation.com This episode YouTube: https://youtu.be/sVA6wb4QT6E Support us here: https://ko-fi.com/themisfitnationpodcast #Resilience #Author #Love #Speaker #Blacklicorice Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode I had the pleasure of talking to Kim Sorelle who is an author , speaker and black licorice. She is a cancer-surviving, entertaining widow and an expert on love. I serve up inspiration with a side of humor and life-application for dessert. She is a director of a humanitarian organization, popular speaker, and the author of two books. Her first book, Cry Until You Laugh, is about her and her husband's battle with cancer after being diagnosed just four months a part. Her second book, Love Is, chronicles her year long quest to figure out the true meaning of love, a sometimes funny, sometimes scary, always enlightening journey that led to life-changing discoveries found mostly on the streets of Haiti. Follow her using the ff links Website IG FB TWITTER YOUTUBE PINTEREST If you've found the Life With Francy podcast helpful Follow, Rate, & Review on Apple Podcasts Like this Show? Please Leave us a review here - even one sentence helps! Post a screenshot of you listening on Instagram & Tag us so we can Thank you Personally! STAY IN TOUCH LINKTREE INSTRAGRAM FACEBOOK Sign Up with Podmatch using this Link or paste this URL https://podmatch.com/signup/lifewithfrancy Hope you have a blessed day. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/francelyn-devarie/support --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/francelyn-devarie/support

Vamos con la historia del disco más aclamado de la gran banda americana: Grand Funk Railroad y su mítico We’re An American Band de 1973. Presenta Ricardo Portman. Escucharemos We’re an American Band, Stop Lookin’ Back, Creepin’, Black Licorice, The Railroad, Ain’t Got Nobody, Walk Like a Man y Loneliest Rider + Bonus tracks. Espacio patrocinado por varios oyentes anónimos… ¡GRACIAS! Si os gusta el programa podéis apoyar Ecos del Vinilo Radio siendo patrocinadores ¡por lo que vale un café al mes! desde el botón azul de iVoox. Recuerden que nuestros programas los pueden escuchar también en: Nuestra web https://ecosdelvinilo.com Radio M7 (Córdoba) lunes 18:00 y sábados 17:00. Radio Free Rock (Cartagena) viernes 18:00. Generación Radio (Medellín, Colombia) jueves y domingos 19:00 (hora Col.) Radio Hierbabuena (Lima, Perú) jueves 20:00 (hora Perú)

We apologize about the audio on this thang, but the content is strong in this one. See you next week with cleaner and crisper audio. Today we talk about the National Security Agency vs Buzzfeed, the origin of the FBI and their campaign against the Flores Magon brothers, cops in gangs, arranged marriages, no Nut November, and embracing bachelorhood We now have a Patreon: Join to enter our Discord   IG: @gabepac1   twitter:  @ gabe_pacheco  IG: @sameermon  twitter: @sameermon   Twitter @halalcartels   MUSIC by SAREEN IG: @Sareenpatel @brownprivilege Art by @elizabitcrusher

With Lisa being under the weather, Tabby and Jenn are joined again by the beautiful PollyannAmazing! Join the ladies as they talk about Halloween party stories, and more!

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His company grew 1,131 percent over the past three years–and he realizes that kind of fast pace isn't for everybody, even with an important mission in mind. Xiao Wang in 2017 had founded Boundless Immigration, a Seattle-based tech company that helps individuals and families navigate immigration paperwork and processes through data, and through its online platform. Today its process has a 99 percent success rate, and the company has helped more than 70,000 individuals file for green cards or citizenship. To keep growing at its rate, Xiao maintains an “adapt and evolve” strategy, and realizes that perfection is sometimes the enemy of progress. He tells host Christine Lagorio-Chafkin that his company's culture of fast-growth and constant change isn't for everyone–just like black licorice. 

Cirroc Lofton (Jake Sisko in Star Trek Deep Space Nine) and Ryan T. Husk review Star Trek: Discovery's, season 4, episode 12, "Species 10-C." Produced by Ryan T. Husk.Audio Remastered by Scott Jensen.Executive Producer:Dr. Susan V. GrunerAssociate Producers:Commander Homer FrizzellYvette BlackmonEve EnglandCarmen ShamwellTJ Jackson-BeyDr. Ann Marie SegalTimothy BaumBill Victor ArucanTitus MohlerDarlena Marie BlanderJohn MannRex A. WoodDr. Mohamed NoorTierney C. DieckmannJoe BalsarottiRyan GallowayChristopher CollinsErika StroemAmy Renee HainesRecorded 03/10/22Every week, we watch an episode of Star Trek: Discovery and review it. Join us! Watch every week and get in on the discussion - we'd love to have you!If you enjoy our content please leave us a five star rating and comment/review.Support and join the community here: https://www.patreon.com/The7thRuleWatch the episodes with full video here: https://www.youtube.com/c/The7thRuleSocial media:https://twitter.com/7thRulehttps://www.facebook.com/The7thRule/https://www.facebook.com/groups/The7thRuleGet cool T7R merchandise here: https://the-7th-rule.creator-spring.com/Cirroc's sister, Merone, makes amazing East-African inspired clothing and items for sale at:https://www.abyssiniankiosk.com/Malissa Longo creates fun and functional Star Trek art at:https://www.walkingartmadebymalissa.com/We continue The 7th Rule journey without our friend, our brother, Aron Eisenberg. He is still with us in spirit, in stories, in laughter, and in memories, and the show must go on.

INTRODUCTION:BIOWriter, Speaker, World Changer Kim Sorrelle is a writer, speaker, entrepreneur, the director of a humanitarian organization, activist, mother, grandmother, lover of all people, and black licorice.​Kim's entrepreneurial journey included commercial real estate, a golf course, event facilities, catering, a grocery store, and more. Besides building businesses into multi-million dollar companies, Kim is proud to have weathered the pandemic storm in the food industry, pivoting, keeping staff employed, and seeing the company's sales grow beyond pre-pandemic numbers.​Kim is the director of Rays of Hope International, a partnering organization working with people in their own country who have a passion, a vision, a mission to help people in their own country and just need someone to walk alongside. Through business plans, fundraising, sustainability planning, supplies, building, Working in countries like Haiti, Dominican Republic, and Burkina Faso, Rays of Hope has enjoyed relationships with hundreds of organizations that are working hard to help the underserved and vulnerable population.​As an athlete and sports fan, Kim coached basketball for 25 years and high school varsity volleyball for 17 and her team was ranked in the top ten in the state for 16 of the 17 years.​Kim met tall, dark, and handsome Steve Sorrelle, the man of her dreams, and proposed ten days later. Two years later, their only daughter, Amanda, arrived full of spunk and sweetness. Three brothers, Paul, Luke, and Noah, quickly followed, A few years later their Dominican son, Cristian, joined the family.  Now all grown with families of their own, Kim is happy to report that they are all gainfully employed, contributing positively to the world, and have the most incredible children who call her "Uma." (Like Uma Thurman, not Oma like a German grandma, the name given to her by her oldest granddaughter and it stuck.)​In 2009, while battling breast cancer, Kim's love, Steve, received a pancreatic cancer diagnosis. After six great weeks together, Kim held Steve as he took his last breath. Her first book, Cry Until You Laugh, chronicles that journey through laughter and tears and laughter again.​The back to back cancer diagnosis led her youngest son, Noah, to change trigectories and earn a PHD as a cancer researcher. With a focus on breast cancer, Noah has made significant discoveries that have already helped with other research and continue to move the needle on the survivor rate.​Kim's second book, Love Is, came from a desire to know the true meaning of love.  Love Is,chronicles her year long quest to discover the true meaning of love, a sometimes funny, sometimes scary, always enlightening journey that led to life-changing discoveries found mostly on the streets of Haiti.​Today, Kim lives in her hometown of Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA, a regular radio, television, and podcast guest, Kim speaks to audiences all over the world. Inspirational and educational, Kim entertains CEO's, industry leaders, company staff members, educators, parents, women's groups, and more. With first hand experience, Kim also speaks for The American Cancer Society and Susan G. Koman. ​A coach is always a coach and Kim is no different. Working with individuals and teams, Kim helps people succeed not only in business and family life but in every aspect of life, leading to greater fulfillment, happiness, while teaching the secrets to working less and playing more.​When she is not writing, broadcasting, coaching, speaking, or serving, Kim enjoys her life-long and newer friendships, hanging out with the grandkids, reading, playing tennis and pickleball, painting (she's no Bob Ross!), traveling, meeting new people, and an occasional stick of black licorice.   INCLUDED IN THIS EPISODE (But not limited to): ·      An Inside Look At Publishing /Authorship ·      Preachers Regurgitate Sermons Into Books·      Start Your Book With An Outline·      Formatting Suggestions ·      Cover Design: https://www.99Designs.com/·      Ghostwriter Information·      Copywriting ·      “Show, Not Tell”·      ISBN'S: https://www.Bowker.com + https://bit.ly/3zykLe1·      Publishing Option (D2D): https://www.Draft2Digital.com·      Publishing Option (Amazon/KDP): https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/ CONNECT WITH KIM: Website & Books: https://www.KimSorrelle.comYouTube: https://bit.ly/3vRFWXfFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/loveisbykim/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kimsorrelle/?hl=enTwitter: https://twitter.com/Kim_SorrelleLinkedIn: https://bit.ly/3tEzK24Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/ksorrelle/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@livelove_outloud  KIM'S RECOMMENDATIONS: ·      All You Need Is Love (The Beatles): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7xMfIp-irg CONNECT WITH DE'VANNON: Website: https://www.SexDrugsAndJesus.comYouTube: https://bit.ly/3daTqCMFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/SexDrugsAndJesus/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sexdrugsandjesuspodcast/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TabooTopixLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devannonPinterest: https://www.pinterest.es/SexDrugsAndJesus/_saved/Email: DeVannon@SexDrugsAndJesus.com  DE'VANNON'S RECOMMENDATIONS: ·      Pray Away Documentary (NETFLIX)o  https://www.netflix.com/title/81040370o  TRAILER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_CqGVfxEs ·      OverviewBibleo  https://overviewbible.como  https://www.youtube.com/c/OverviewBible ·      Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed (Documentary)o  https://press.discoveryplus.com/lifestyle/discovery-announces-key-participants-featured-in-upcoming-expose-of-the-hillsong-church-controversy-hillsong-a-megachurch-exposed/ ·      Leaving Hillsong Podcast With Tanya Levino  https://leavinghillsong.podbean.com  ·      Upwork: https://www.upwork.com·      FreeUp: https://freeup.netVETERAN'S SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS ·      Disabled American Veterans (DAV): https://www.dav.org·      American Legion: https://www.legion.org ·      Black Licorice (consult your doctor): https://www.webmd.com/diet/black-licorice-health-benefits#1 ·      VooDoo Explained: https://bit.ly/36SBA83·      What The World Needs Now (Dionne Warwick): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHAs9cdTqg INTERESTED IN PODCASTING OR BEING A GUEST?: ·      PodMatch is awesome! This application streamlines the process of finding guests for your show and also helps you find shows to be a guest on. The PodMatch Community is a part of this and that is where you can ask questions and get help from an entire network of people so that you save both money and time on your podcasting journey.https://podmatch.com/signup/devannon  TRANSCRIPT: [00:00:00]You're listening to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to! And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right at the end of the day. My name is De'Vannon and I'll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world as we dig into topics that are too risqué for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what's really going on in your life.There is nothing off the table and we've got a lot to talk about. So let's dive right into this episode.De'Vannon: Hello? Hello? Hello? Are you beautiful souls?My sister Kim Sorell is back with me for the third time.And I'm so excited to have her with me and Kim and I thought it would be so great to give back to everyone in the way of sharing our knowledge and experiences from writing books and podcasting so in this episode, we're gonna take a look inside the world of publishing and authorship. And we're gonna give you some useful tips on [00:01:00] the book writing process, from the outline to publishing, Listing lots of great websites for you to use and so much more information. And of course you can always reach out to both of us as well.We love you. God, bless you. Enjoy the show. Hello, my dear sister. And welcome back for the third damn time to the sex drugs in Jesus podcast. Hello? Hello. Hello, Kim.Kim: Hello. I'm so happy to be back for the third time to the greatest podcast. I love it.De'Vannon: Thank you so much. Now, Kim sore is the author of two books. One is called love is, and the other one is cry until you laugh. sometimes you just gotta get a good laugh in and in the Hebrew Bible, it says that a laughter, you know, it's good for the soul. [00:02:00] You know, it's a medicine that you can administer to yourself.Energetically speaking. It raises your vibration. Although I don't really need to add anything to what Jesus said. I'm just saying that to help people understand that a little laughter goes a long way.Kim: Mm-hmm yes, for sure. For sure. Yeah. It's. It is healing for the soul, for sure. For sure.De'Vannon: Now Kim's an entrepreneur. She speaks, she has a deep love in our heart for the people of Haiti. And she also has a deep love in our heart for black liquorish. Now, in our previous episodes, we've talked about the health benefits of black liquorish, what it was like when she lived and worked in Haiti with her.Non-profit we talked about voodoo and witchcraft and cast and spells and all of that stuff. And she, we also talked about how this woman was able to survive cancer. And I think your nonprofit is raised of hope international.Kim: It is. Yes.De'Vannon: Yeah. And so all of that [00:03:00] information will again be in the showy notes as it always is.And so this is a very diverse and dynamic woman here, and I'm just thrilled to have, hadn't met her in my lifetime.Kim: Well right back at you. I feel like we are kindred spirits. We are connected forever and I, I love it. I love it.De'Vannon: Endeavor you stay in my heart and oh, really love you.Kim: And that's right.De'Vannon: So today's conversation will be like, kind of off the cuff. You know, Kim's written two books, I'm just getting wrapped up with my first one. And I have to say the process is a bitch. It's it is bittersweet. And I find that it is a masochistic thing to want to be an author. It sounds glamorous and all glorious.And we do give people who have successfully written books, a lot of prompts in society. Now I know why [00:04:00] this is some painful shit to put yourself through, but if you've really got something worth saying that, I also want to say it's worth doing so you wanna be talking about book publishing and just kind of giving an inside look to what it means to be an author.So what you got to say about a girl.Kim: Yeah, you are so spot on. You know, I think there are so many people that talk about writing a book. Everybody has a story to tell, you know, everybody's got a book in 'em I think, but getting it on paper is a painful process. It is not all sugars and cream and black licorice. It is you know, some, I don't know, whatever trash and garbage and craziness that goes into actually getting it down for sure.De'Vannon: Right. And then I think the main thing to do is to be praying about whether or not you should just like with podcasting, a lot of people get [00:05:00] into it because it looks glamorous and it looks easy, but you have to, you have to be called to that thing. Excuse me. You've got to You gotta, that's gotta really, really be like a part of your purpose in life.You can't do it for money cuz you don't know how long it's gonna take the money to follow this sort of thing. You can't do it for, you have to do it because it, you know, you wanna help people, you know, for something other than yourself. And so I think that that's, I think that that's the beginning of it is to do some real soul searching and some meditation and to find out the why, you know, why are you doing this?Why are you here? And that's what you're gonna be able to pull on in those long nights when you're uplifting at the manuscript for the 15th time and you're still finding fucking mistakes, you know, you wanna pull your hair out, so you're gonna remember why you're doing it and that's, what's going to motivate you to finally get it fucking done.Kim: Yeah. You know, I think that's so true. And I think that you hit it right on [00:06:00] about motivation, because if you're in it for the money you are in it for the wrong reason. There are very few authors that actually make any money on a book of all the books that are written. There are only so many Stephen Kings out there.There are only so many John Grham, you know, people that are making good money with books. It is so much more work than you realize nobody is gonna publicize it for you. You've gotta be your own publicist. You've gotta be your own feet. You, you have to go after it. It doesn't matter if you've got a traditional publisher or you're self-publishing, it is on you.Every, everything is on you and the average. That sells, I think less than a hundred copies. And so nobody makes money on a hundred copies. So it's you, you gotta know that you can't be in it for the money. It's gotta be a different motivation.De'Vannon: So, but if someone's done this soul searching and this praying and everything like [00:07:00] that, and they decided they wanna write it, I'm gonna add to this timing too. Not just if you should, but when you should, years and years ago, maybe like 10, 15 years ago, when I first started thinking, you're not sure what, like to write a book.I don't think my motives were right. You know, at this time I was, you know, attending churches, you know, like, you know, churches and shit. And you know, every, every damn, every damn pastor is a, is a, is a, is an author, you know? And so I was around a whole lot of. Preachers writing books and they made it look really good.And every time they write, wrote a book, it's a huge thing. And so that affected me. And I was like, I wanna be like that. I don't, I wanna be one of those glamorous people who writes books and I didn't get past like page one because there was really nothing for me to say now that you know, but in that time I never thought in a million years I'd be going to jail, getting HIV or being homeless, you know?So now I actually [00:08:00] have some shit to talk about. And now that I've paid my dues, I have, I have like a justifiable reason to say the things I can say and do the things that I can do now, as opposed to before, where I just wanted it for the glitz and the GL, you see.Kim: Yeah, I think, I think you're, you're spot on with that too. I mean, if, if I think you did have something to say 10 or 15 years ago, because I've been reading your book and your home life wasn't necessarily all what everybody else experiences. Like you've got plenty to share and relationships growing up and whatever, but certainly the longer you live, the more you have to share, but You, you do need to do it for the right reasons and the right timing.And you kind of know when the timing is right. If you're gonna actually do it.De'Vannon: Mm-hmm now having said that when it comes to breaking the law. So all of my felonies I got in the year 2012 and about year [00:09:00] 2013, I started taking notes on the book. I was ready to release it within like that year, but it never worked out that way. I couldn't get my thoughts so organized and I didn't really have anyone to help me with it until about two years ago.What I also found out there's this little thing called statute of limitations, where, you know, if I don't want criminal fucking make myself, you know, criminalize myself. You know, confess the guilt that they can prosecute me with. I have to, you have to wait a certain amount of years after the crime has been done before you Blab about it in a book.So I didn't know that back when I was trying to force the thing to happen a year or two, after my fall felonies, I needed more time. So see everything happens when it's supposed to. And so it's been about 10 years since all the shit went down. And so we're well past the statutes of limitations. I can talk about all the drugs I sold.[00:10:00]Can we consider the legal implications too?Kim: I guess so, you know, I don't write about any felonies, so that never occurred to me. But there you are sharing some great wisdom. I'm sure with a lot of people, so that's awesome.De'Vannon: And so I wanna throw some shade at the, at the preachers that I was just talking about, who write all these books. Okay. Usually from my experience, they're a bunch of regurgitated sermons because preachers, these days tend to write out their sermons each Sunday. So each Sunday they're writing a little mini book and then what they do each year is they go back and they compile all their sermons into a new book, give it a new cover and a new title, throw in a few little weak ass, personal stories, and then put a different name to it.And then all the people are going to eat it up. Usually those books are not very complex. They're not, they're about surface level, but [00:11:00] Christians are an easy sell and church people are gonna buy any fucking thing. And I can say that because I used to be one of those church, people at the conferences buying all the tapes and the books and the CDs and every fucking thing, because I was starstruck by who was writing them.And, but I'm reading through it. And I like, I know they say at this, in one of those services before, it's the same shit. And so I'm not mad at the, I'm not mad at the preachers. You know, they, they play in the game very well, but you know it, but I have observed that these mainstream preachers do not talk a lot about themselves.Now. I haven't read everyone's books, but the, the ones that I did, their personal stories, don't go into like gritty, painful detail about the shit they've been through about all I've ever gotten from like a preacher. They might get a little upset from time to time or what do they say, or, or they'll generalize it like, you know, sometimes I just don't live [00:12:00] up to my best.They're not gonna tell me about that time. They were sucking Dick in the alley for cocaine and crack, you know, or, or when they slap the bitch across the face or got into a fight on the golf course, they don't, they don't really put themselves out there like that. And I don't really appreciate.Kim: you know, I think you're so right. You know, there's something that we said for transparency and, and vulnerability. Right. And the, the best books that I've written and, or read, not written, but read you see those things, you know, when, when people dive a little bit deeper and expose themselves, and then you can relate, cuz how do you relate to somebody who the worst thing that they ever do is get a little angry sometimes that, you know, holy cow, if that's the worst thing you've ever done, you can skip, you don't have to go to confession.You don't have to do anything. You can just whatever, go straight to heaven and enjoy your life. I guess. I [00:13:00] don't know what, what, what that kind of life is like, because I think we all live a little bit deeper than that. So it's, but I'll tell you too, that the reason those preachers do well with their books is they've got a built in.So they've, they've got their platform, they've got their following and everybody's gonna buy their book. And that's why they can sell a book after book, after book. And even though they're not big differences, one book from the next they'll sell 'em all because they've got their base of people that will all buy them.De'Vannon: Yeah, I, I would dare say the people have been brainwashed into it. I was once one of those people, and I'm not necessarily saying that's a negative thing. If you've got some pastor who who's ass, you kiss, like I used to kiss them, you know before I was pulled out of the matrix you know what, that's where you're at right now, then.Great. And if you were [00:14:00] some, I mean, if somebody listening to this is my, a light bulb may go on, they're like, Hey, I could go in there and sell shit to those fucking Christian folk they'll buy anything. You would be right. you would be right. it, it still, it felt kind of clickish to me, cuz like when I would, when I would be like at Lakewood and shit like that, and you know, Joe's writing a different book a year. Then his wife wrote run. I really enjoyed her book, you know? And now I think she has several, and I noticed like other members of like the een family that were not that, that, that were not necessarily at Lakewood also wrote books. And I was like, wait a minute. Seems like they've got a formula for this.Like a, a plan, a process. A ghost writer might be lurking in the back somewhere because okay. If people are not just naturally gifted authors, okay. Maybe your family just happens to be that everyone can write a, write a book. No bitch. You have a formula in place from the sermons on down. Some sort of sequence is being [00:15:00] followed so that you can, that all of y'all can stay on a writing schedule like this.And I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but I'm just saying, I wish that they would share that with everyone else too.Kim: Yeah, well, it's that? You're at. On and, and their name, you know, you put Olstein on a book and it's going to attract attention right away. You know, you put Crell on a book, you know, if somebody's not heard of SRE before, you know, no, one's gonna take a second look necessarily. You gotta come up with a way to get somebody to take a second look, but forget the name.It sure helps.De'Vannon: And there are ways to do it. And I feel like you were way more transparent in your book than any preacher I've ever heard. So, you know, in both of your books and everything like that, you know, I remember sitting in church, listening to those people, thinking like, wow, I, and this is pretty much any church I've been in.Like, you know, I really cannot relate with the people who are preaching to me yet. I'm listening to them and taking. I'm like, it doesn't sound like they've been [00:16:00] through, even before my felonies and everything, you know, it doesn't sound like they've been through half the shit I've been through in terms of the darker side of living.Why the fuck am I even listening to this person? Like what gives them the right to tell me anything? And so if you don't have een behind your name or some other big name, preacher out there, then here's what you can do. And this should not discourage you. Cause one thing I do know is that successes of the Lord and the Bible says the Hebrew Bible says that he will crown our efforts with success.And since you're writing this book, not for yourself, but other people, it should be enough if only a handful of people get a hold of it because that's somebody's life you help to change. And so if it sells a million copies all the better, but if it doesn't well, then you, you should be fulfilled because your reasons were right. And so you should not feel cheated. So we're not trying to be like. You know anybody, but who God wants us to [00:17:00] be or whatever it is you believe in or whatever it is, your spiritual angle is at this, or or, or your, your spiritual motivation is a better way to phrase that. But we don't self-publishing is a huge thing.Now, not, you know, being published is not like you don't have to be published to sell books or to be well known. I don't think that girl who wrote 50 shades of gray, I think she was self-published when she started. And then look at how long it took JK rolling to get to where she is. So publishing houses, don't always pin people accurately.Sometimes they get it wrong. So it's not all about knocking on publishing house. You don't really have to do that anymore. You can, if you want to, but some people have had really bad experiences with publishers.Kim: For sure, for sure. And self-publishing is bigger and bigger and bigger all the time. And and you can actually make more money self-publishing because you make more money per book. So there's pros [00:18:00] and cons to both to publishing and self-publishing, but Amazon in particular has made it so easy to self-publish and they're the biggest book seller in the world.And so to self-publish through Amazon and just follow their program is is really a great way to go. And it's a way a lot of authors get out there.De'Vannon: So we'll, we'll start at the beginning and Amazon is good for those of you who are anti Amazon, you think they're the devil and you don't wanna fuck with them. There are other ways, the, the people who I use was called draft to digital, and this is gonna be in the show notes, but that's a draft D R a F T the number two, and then digital.com.And what happens is you can upload your electronic book through them, and then they will distribute it to like a shitload of places, maybe like eight or 10 places you can select Amazon or not. And my audio book is also. May being made available [00:19:00] through them to about like 30 or 40 different places, including Amazon and audible. Some people don't like the complexity of like the audiobook world when it comes to like audibles and their ACX standards. But there's different ways. So you can go directly through Amazon Kindle, direct publishing. And all of that, like with Kim is talking about, or you can use like draft digital.There used to be a company called smash words, which also was a conglomerate place to publish, but draft to digital just bought out smash words. So we're just gonna focus on draft digital. So when you wanna start writing a book, the first thing you always want that you have something to say at that pointKim: No, no, but you're absolutely right. There are so many companies, there are companies that, that it is strictly self-publishing that they get it into the format for you. Help you get your ISBN number. They, you know, do the things that fill the blanks for you and, and how to get your book put together in a digital form.And then they, you know, get it to [00:20:00] whatever distributors there's hybrid places that actually do some editing and do some stuff. But aren't a full on publisher that don't do everything for you that a publisher would do. And that usually costs you money to have done. So there's options, lots of options.De'Vannon: Okay. So when we get started, we always wanna start our book with an outline. This is no different than writing a research paper, turn paper, whatever the fuck you want to call it. Those annoying ass fucking shits that they made us do in high school and in college. And if you never went to high school or in college, well, then we're gonna explain.It simply, cuz you do not have to have a specific education to be an author. You just have to know why you want to talk about what you wanna talk about. But an outline is simply a roadmap. If you're gonna write anything, you need to have a structure to it. An outline is your skeleton. You gotta hang some meat and muscles on the, on the bounds in a minute, but first you gotta have a direction.[00:21:00] You know what a, B, C, D. Now the outline for my book ended up being about like 10,000 words. Okay. When it was finalized. But I wrote about two books worth than one book because I didn't wanna divide the story up. So my book's about 121,000 words finished. We cut it down from about 130,000 words. But it seems like in the industry people, the 50,000 is the minimum they say from what I've come across.What have you, what have you heard about the minimum word count for books?Kim: Yeah. 50,000 is kind of on the low end and right, right. You wanna it's for nonfiction in particular the 200 page mark is, is sort of a special mark in the industry to be right around to 200 pages. So yeah, and, and some are certainly gonna go longer than that. Your story is, is longer than that.You, you got a lot more content, so [00:22:00] there's, there's rules that and guidelines, but they're all made to be broken.De'Vannon: Hell yeah. Rules are made to be broken. Fuck. Yes. on a Tuesday morning. Fuck. Yes. So when it comes to what she's saying, And I encountered this a lot and it really just fucking made my head hurting. I just threw all the fucking rules out of the window. You have these parameters and maybe that might matter more to a publisher, but when you're, self-publishing, you're free to do what the fuck you want, which is beautiful.So when your book is done, you're gonna have to do with something called formatting. So you're gonna, you, you're gonna outline the book, write the bitch, then you gotta format it. Which means getting exactly the sizes, the margins, the fonts, the letters, okay. Then you publish it. So the formatting is where you can play with things like the font size and the page.Cuz if you notice on Amazon, some books might be like six inches by nine inches. Like my book is another [00:23:00] one might be. Four inches by like, it's like some small shit. So what you do is you have a lot of content. Like I did, you put it on larger pages to try to make the book not be so many pages. If you don't have a lot of content, then you want to make the book a smaller format to stretch it out, to make it seem like you have more pages than you do.Kim: Yeah,De'Vannon: so and so,Kim: games you can play for sure. Yeah.De'Vannon: so, so now a good format will know how to do all of those tricks. If anybody needs a ref reference for a good format, I got you. I got you cuz writing. You know, was my thing, the formatting and all the numbers and shit. I was like, oh, hell no. You know, so I hired a formatter for my book. Now only like $50 to have it.Four minute 30, $50. We're not talking about a Garganto and amount of money here. You can certainly save $50. If you think that this is your life's work. And then [00:24:00] even if you don't want to go in fool with mashing, the publishing buttons and stuff like that, then people will do that for you too, for a small amount of money.Kim: Right. Yeah. I love the resource fiber. I don't know if you've used fiber, but you can get anything done on fiber, including book formatting book cover the back of the book, the fine, you know, you can get anything done and prices can start at $10, $15, you know, for somebody in some other country to do the work for you.And your time is more valuable than that. So , it's definitely worthwhile to spend the 50 bucks or whatever to get your book formatted.De'Vannon: And she said fiver, and of course I'm gonna put all this in the showy note, just like I always do. I used a website called 99 designs.com for the cover for my podcast and for all of my books. And I met a guy in Greece who I now use exclusively for all of my design work, because we're just [00:25:00] so on the same page, but it's that same sort of concept.It's a website that brings a bunch of creatives together with people who need creatives. And then you can just get an all under one roof. So five 99 designs.com and then upwork.com is another one that you can use as well. So we've got, so we're gonna do the outline, you know, our ABC small, a little, a number one all the way over.You'll start your outline with broad strokes. You wanna come up with your chapter titles, which you can change them anytime, but you need to kind of know what you're gonna be talking about. And And then from there, you build it out. Each chapter's gonna have this and each bullet point can be like really thick.It could be a paragraph. And then when you go back to write the book, you're just going to take and really make the story come alive with all the sense and the flavors and the, and all the words and the metaphors and all the nice verbiage to help it become alive to the reader. Now, if you're not good at this, [00:26:00] then you can hire, what's called a ghost writer to either write it for you or to help you write it.And so when I was working with someone at the beginning of, well, during my process, You know, until I decided to take it over for myself because they got on my nerves. You know, we met and did like a zoom meeting, like every day for like two or three weeks for an hour. At least sometimes it was two hours or maybe three.I did go through since I was doing a memoir. I just went back from the time I was born to the present day and just wrote everything out that I could think of. And it was about 50,000 words when I was done. And then I went and put that into a chronological outline and that's what I submitted to him.He didn't require it. Cuz some ghost writers can just listen to you talk and then turn into a book. But I wanted to be really thorough and detailed. And so I submitted that along with court documents and everything like that because I really wanted my book to come alive. I was extra. You don't have to do all of that, [00:27:00] but there's a website called read C.R E E D S y.com that it's like dedicated to ghostwriters and the whole writing thing. But you can also find ghostwriters on like Upwork than probably five or two. You have a lot of options. So if you wanna write a book and you're like, fuck, I don't know about if I can handle this outline shit, or if I don't have the time for it.And you know, I've got this story, but I, I don't wanna write it. Okay. Half the authors with their name on the front book, didn't write the shit. someone else wrote it for them. SoKim: Yeah. Yep. That's so true. That's so true. And, and if you, if there's a book that you really like that you've really enjoyed that style of writing, find out if a ghost writer has done it, find out you a lot of times it will say like for instance Don Piper's story, 90 minutes in heaven was written by Cecil McKay.So it says Don Piper with Cecil McKay. And so if you see that, then, you know, Cecil's done the writing. [00:28:00] And, and so if you see a book that you really enjoy that style, you think it fits with what you've got. You can look into it and see who actually wrote the book. And maybe that's somebody to tap into.De'Vannon: Mm-hmm now the high end ones, you know, sometimes they may be hard to reach, you know, so, and then sometimes, you know, they're gonna cost more, you know, ghost writers. The highest that I came across in my research was around like maybe 70 to 90,000. You. But you know, you have, like, I think on Upwork, I was looking at 'em where they may be charged from like more hourly, like 10 to 50 an hour.I think I saw was breezing over it briefly before we got on this call this morning. You know, the, the prices are all over the place. It just depends on what you can afford and what you want to pay and how serious you're taking your story. But more to the point how you connect with the person who's gonna be writing for you.Cause you're getting ready to spill all kinds of tea with this bitch. You gotta feel like you can trust them because you're gonna tell that ghost writer hell of a lot [00:29:00] more than gets released to the public.Kim: Yeah, absolutely. And I would say too, interview people. You don't have to go with somebody just because you go on one of these websites and that's the name that comes up, interview them. You're gonna be paying them. So take the time to get to know them, let them get to know you and see if it's a fit. If it's not a fit, walk away, you know, no harm and find somebody else.There's plenty of people out.De'Vannon: There are. And, but through, through these websites, also, they monitor the work that's being done. And so, and you don't pay them until the work, you know, until portions of the work are done, like with the guy who who's, who did my audio book formatting through up work, you know, I could go in there and see like his computer screen, what he was doing the time it was taking, like their screenshots and files and stuff like that, you know?So they act as a good mediator. So you don't have to worry about somebody running off with your money, you know,Kim: Right, right, right. It's a good thing. [00:30:00] Yes,De'Vannon: But if you choose to, to go off the, off the grid and not use one of these websites, sometimes people will meet people on these websites and then start paying them separately. That's fine too, but pay them through PayPal or through some sort of way that you're paying for goods and services so that some shit goes down.You still have some insurance,Kim: mm-hmm right. Great advice. Yes.De'Vannon: but that's a, but that's a super relief. So now, if you feel like you don't, you can't do the outline and you can't really write it, but you've got something you wanna say, well, that's what ghost writers are for. And it happens more often than you think, and you don't have to put their name on the front cover of your book.That's not what their job is. Their job is to write, not to do the face of it, but if you like them and you want to, then you can, that's up to you. You're the author. You own the work when it's all said and done. And so so now you've got your, your book. Britain, you can go to 99 [00:31:00] designs that you a cover done.They they'll do the inside flaps, the spine, all of that. Or you can go to fiber wherever you may know your own graphic person. These people know that books have to be formatted through certain sizing and everything like that. They got you. You don't have to try to do this all at once. You will do this one step at a time.You will not get ahead of yourself. so you won't worry about how this, you know, how the story ends before it begins. I'll say it like that, generally speaking, although there can be exceptions. So that depends on how you're gonna write it. If you're not doing a memoir, you know, my knowledge is kind of, you know, it's a little bit different if you're gonna go like more Scholastic or something like that, but you know, people, you know, can write just about whatever you want.I say, it's at least worth looking into once you have the book written. Now we need to get us a copyright. You don't have to get a copyright. The moment you open up a [00:32:00] document and I don't know, maybe use something other than Microsoft word. That's what I use. That, that Microsoft word doesn't really translate well to formatting, but my formatters we're able to figure it out, but it's a bitch.If you, if you do it in word, don't go in there and try to fuck with page numbers and the headings and stuff like that. Just let it be a plain fucking document with just the typing. Cause if you try to format it and make it all book, like word is just gonna fuck it up. Just don'tKim: Right. That's.De'Vannon: a formatter so they can open up them swanky ass apps.They have that you probably won't. Cause I don't have those apps, but my four matters do and they can Shaza me. That shit, you know, like real quickKim: Yeah, for sure. For sure. You know, a couple things I'd like to throw in one is. It's all well and great. Like what you're saying, an outline is can be everything because it can make writing the actual book so much easier [00:33:00] when you know, this is what your chapter one's gonna be about. This is what your chapter two's gonna be about.When you have the ideas, then you can just put it on paper. But the motivation to actually write can be difficult for people. And so everybody has a different formula for that. You know, some people are early morning writers and will get up in the morning and five days a week, or they'll commit whatever time and an hour a day or.Whatever, like, I think it can seem so overwhelming when you're thinking, oh my gosh, I'm gonna write a 200 page book. How am I gonna do that? It can seem like this great big mountain, but it's sort of like the analogy of the had eat Eden elephant one bite at a time. Right. And so commit to a half an hour, you know, commit to so many words a day. Figure out when your best time to write. Is, are you, are you better at night? Like, is that when things come into focus for you, are you better first thing in the morning? You know, [00:34:00] what is your schedule? Like, what is your time like? And put it on the calendar. If that's what you need to do and commit to the time, that's how you're gonna actually get it from idea to book.Is is making sure that happens. And there's a, something that all writers know, all, all authors who are doing this know, but a good thing to know is show not tell. So in a movie script you tell, but in a book you show, you let people see the picture for themselves. You, you don't have to tell them every intimate detail you describe things.You know, the, you don't have to say somebody was nervous. You say something more like and the sweat started, you know, coming on his upper lip and brow and, you know, whatever. And then, you know, he was nervous, right? So it's show at tell is a big, big thing with books.De'Vannon: Right. [00:35:00] That was a warning that I came across early in my writing is to not to get caught up on being overly detailed which is why I decided to go with the ghost riders because I was too, at least at first, as I was too attached to my story, you know, I knew I was way too emotional about it to give it a true objective look, you know, I was going@ittryingtogetdowntolikeeverylikelittlepolka.in the room, you know, at really unnecessary.So I needed, I needed somebody to help me with that. So, so I'm gonna tell you why I had. Well, part of the reason why I had the falling out was my ghost writer. And then I just took over the writing for myself and kind of, you know, finished it because okay. So I had paid him like $40,000 cash to, to do my book. I wanted a, a good writer. I didn't want someone who was just beginning. He wasn't actually on the highest end. Like I said, I came across 70 to 90,000 out [00:36:00] there. You, he wasn't on the highest end. He wasn't on the lowest end, so, okay. Let me go do what I gotta do to make this money. I won't tell you what I did to come up with that money.All you need to know is that I acquired it all we gonna say about that.Kim: That's that's.De'Vannon: after my statues of limitations passed so, but what I didn't think to do. Now, this person wasn't very clear. We didn't really necessarily have an official contract. And, but there was some guidelines laid out. I got upset because we were in about the third revision and he was telling me, well, that's it that's as that's as much for, as your money's gonna take you.I'm now gonna charge you. Well, something like the 150 or $200 an hour to continue. I ended up having to revise the book, like maybe two or three more times. But, but from my [00:37:00]perspective, and everyone's got their own perspective. I'm like, if, if I bitch, if I paid you $40,000, not to mention, I flew this individual down here to Louisiana.And then we spent like a month traveling to Texas, Mississippi, new Orleans, seeing places and everything like that, all on my dime, you know, you know, You know, so by the time's done with him, it's like a good $50,000 project. I think that you should do full service and see the thing through to the end.Don't cut me off at two or three revisions cuz anybody who's written a book knows damn well, you're gonna have to review that. And I didn't know this at the beginning, you know, I didn't, I, I know it now. I didn't know this at first. You're going to have to go through that motherfucker time and time and time again.And you're still gonna miss shit. So this, so we've all read books where we've seen a word misspelled or some spacing or a quote missing and great authors too. It could, there comes a point where your head is just going to crack the fuck [00:38:00] open. If you look at that shit again, I think I did mine like 10, 12 times, and I there's still shit that I find I'm the most detailed person.I know I could have hired an editor, but I knew that if I hired then paid them, they would miss shit too. And then I would be pissed. So, and then there may be some editors that are that good that they don't miss anything. But so far, my experience has been with paying people to do a job that they always make mistakes so, so I'm saying all that to say, if you go with a ghost writer or format or anything, be sure that it, it is in the contract that whatever the, the, the rate is includes unlimited revisions until the shit is done.That way you don't fall into the trap that I did because cuz now I'm thinking, okay, have you intentionally given me subpar riding on these first three revisions so that you can turn around and charge me $200 an hour because you knew the shit wasn't really as good as it was supposed to be, you [00:39:00] know?Kim: Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. And you paid a lot of money. That, that is a lot of money. I know some excellent ghostwriter, excellent ghost riders that are best sellers, you know, that put out best sellers and charge a lot less money than that and, and see the job true till the end. So yes, finding the right one is that's very important, the right one with the right contract.De'Vannon: Right. That, that shit pissed me off. Cause at first his name was on the front of my book with me, but that pissed me off so bad. Well actually I had already, he did something else that pissed me off that and I snatched his name off the front cover of my book because of that. I was like, oh hell no, this is not gonna work.You know, and and so some some people just think a little bit more themselves I think, than they should, you know? And so so yeah, you know, just.Kim: Yeah, I, I was just gonna say that, and it's not just working with a ghost writer and self-publishing that you run into [00:40:00] that. My second book love is is traditionally published. And so they hire an editor or they'll have an editor of like a content editor, you know, not a periods and, you know, punctuation and spelling kind of editor, but a content editor, creative editor they'll have them in house.Sometimes they hire them from outside depending on your project and, and who they think you'll fit with. And the editor that my publisher hired. I picture her in little house on the Prairie. And I think she's got, you know, six or seven friends that goes to a super small church that saw I picture her.I don't know if it's true, but she wears long skirts with little tiny flower prints. And all of her friends look exactly like her. And so everything that I said that didn't fit into her little Christian box, she wanted out of my book and she w actually argued with me about my content. [00:41:00] And I got to the point where I was just done with her.We were a horrible fit. She's probably really good with some people, not with me at all. I thought, man, my publisher doesn't even know me if they think that this woman is gonna work with me because it did not work. She made me think about a couple things, but honestly I hope I made her think about a couple things, but in the end I just kind of threw out most of anything she had to say and, and did it myself. So it can, it can happen with the publisher or you're doing it yourself. So make sure, you know, it's a, it's okay to let somebody go. If it's not work and let, 'em go kind of loads.De'Vannon: And look you Like you don't, you can publish a book at any time in terms of traditional publishing. Like what Kim is talking about, going through a, a publishing house. You, you could create your own fucking publishing house, which technically is what you have if you self publish, but like [00:42:00] say, okay, so with sex, drugs and jeans is my memoir.I'm gonna give myself three to five years. Okay. To see how the sales go and what I can do, marketing it myself. If I don't feel like it has enough momentum, then I'll start to pitch the book to, to publishers at that time. So you don't have to, it's not like you have an ultimatum either self-publish or do traditional the moment you write the book, you can, you can change that later on.Kim: Mm, right, right. At any time. Yeah, for sure.De'Vannon: Now, can you go from being published traditionally? Like you are take it from the publisher and go back to self-publishing.Kim: You kind of can't cuz you sign a contract with them that, that they kind of own own your book at that point. And so you, you really can't go back the other way. You'd have to be let outta the contract. A whole lot of things would have to happen. You'd have to change your book a bit to put it out there on your own.So once you're with your a publisher, you're pretty locked in, but like you [00:43:00] said, you can go my first book I went from self-publishing and then I was picked up by a publisher. So you can go the other way, but not, not once you start with a publisher you're you're you're all theirs.De'Vannon: I want you to say you were picked up by a publisher and I've heard other authors say that before that they find you and make you an offer. Did you find them?Kim: I actually, I was at a writer's conference and the keynote speaker gave him a copy of my book. And then he contacted me and hooked me up with a publisher cuz. He liked it and thought that it should be out there more. And that that's the one advantage or, or one there's several advantages either way.But one advantage of a publisher is that they have a network. And so they're getting your book, not out to eight places, but to, you know, a couple hundred places, they can get it into book and mortar stores. It's hard to get a self-published book into [00:44:00] Barnes, noble, you know, to put on the bookshelf of different bookstores, but a publisher can do that.A publisher has those connections and they've got the network to get your book into every platform and, and everywhere, online and in stores and whatever. So your distribution right away with publisher is gonna be different than with self-publish.De'Vannon: Okay. So the trade off is you make less per book with the publisher, but you get wider distribution. So that's the balancing act, as opposed to, as opposed to making more per book with less distribution, doing it on your own.Kim: That that and money, like when you publish through a publisher, it doesn't cost you a dime. They pay you money up front for the book. And so you are making money. Whereas if you self-publish, you're paying for your cover and you're paying for the formatting, you might be paying for a ghostwriter. You know, you've got some [00:45:00] out of pocket money, but in the end it can really pay off for you.So. And it's very difficult though, too, to get published by a publisher. It's not the same book world that it used to be. You have to have a platform. You've gotta have so many people on your Facebook. So many people on, on Instagram, you've gotta have a, an email list of thousands. You have to, there has to be something about you.That's going to be able to get into the hands of people right away that you've got connections out there. If you are a movie star, you know, or a singer or, you know, somebody famous publisher's gonna look at you if you're. Just a regular person. Like we are, you know, whatever. It's hard to be noticed by a publisher and hard for publisher to have motivation to because they take a risk cuz it's, they're gonna be laying out money right away.They're giving you money and then they're investing in you. They're paying for the editor, [00:46:00]they're paying for all that stuff. So they've got an investment and they are only gonna take so much risk. They wanna know that you're gonna sell the number of copies to not just recoup their investment, but make them money.So it's it's not easy to be traditionally published. It's not easy to find a publish.De'Vannon: Now that they give you an advance. Cause I know with some people they'll like, say give them an advance advance of advance of money. So many hundred thousand dollars or millions or whatever. And the thing is the benefit of that for the author is so if they give you a cash advance, however much it is, you do not have to pay that back.So if. If the book ever sells enough to compensate the publishing house for that or not, you know, they're taking a risk cuz they can't come back to you and be like, oh, well you didn't sell a million dollars worth of books. Can we have the 275,000 left or whatever? No, it doesn't work that way, but you won't get any more money until you sell enough books to meet that, that, that threshold to cover the advance.[00:47:00]So, and how.Kim: exactly. And a $275,000 advance would be a rare, rare advance. That would be a bill Clinton advance. You know, that would be a somebody advance. An advance can be anywhere from a couple thousand dollars. $20,000 is, is a, a decent advance for somebody. I, I know people that I've got a good friend who has, I think, 17 published books and she's been on the New York times bestseller list.And, and depending on the book, she will get anywhere from 15 to $30,000 for an advance. And she's a writer. I mean, this is what she does. And, and she also always for her next book, it's a struggle to find the right publisher and to get a publisher to say yes, so you can be published and you, can you have your name out there?And, you know, like we started out with, if you're not Steven King or John Grham, or, you know, whoever, you know, Joel [00:48:00] Olstein than than getting a big advance and getting publishers is not, not the easiest road.De'Vannon: Right. And so, like I was talking earlier about like copyrights and stuff like that. copyright.gov is where I go to, to get like all the music I write copyrighted. I, I did get my book copyrighted and everything like that. It's not necessary. I've been told the moment you started working on it. You automatically own the rights to it, but we're talking about maybe 50 or $60 or something like that, just to have that extra layer protection.So yeah, I yanked the bitch, you know, I think if you go through a publishing house it's different. I'm not sure who owns it. It may different, depending on the contract, it may differ. How does that work? Who actually, well, you said you signed the rights to them, so.Kim: Right. We're right. But there's the ISB N number. So every book is assigned an ISB N number. And I think you do want that for sure. If you're gonna write a book, get one. And like you said, they're 50 bucks or whatever. You can buy packages of them. Like you can get [00:49:00] 10 numbers for a hundred and dollars or I, and out exactly how much, but they're easy to get.And then the book automatically goes into the library of Congress. It is forever your name on the book. Nobody can steal your content. It is it makes it an official book. It makes it a real book. And so that's something you wanna do is get that number.De'Vannon: And I think boer.com I'll research it before I put, put it in the showy notes, but BW K E r.com I think is where I went to get my ISBNs and, and they have like book ISBNs. Now I use, I had used like a different website when I designed my underwear line for down under apparel to get like clothing. But this Bo one seems to be like, let's say like the draft.Website recognizes. So, so, so we gotta be careful where we get our ISBs from there. There's a lot of shit being sold in this world. And I don't think you can just get random mass ISBs and [00:50:00] just slap 'em on whatever it has to be specific from what I'm from, what I'm learning so far. Seems like it's kind of specific to what you're trying to sell.Kim: Exactly. Exactly. You do need one for a book for sure. Yep. Yeah.De'Vannon: So, oh, go ahead where you wanna say something, dear?Kim: Nope. You go right ahead.De'Vannon: So we've talked about outlining the book writing. It could be any sort of book, how to get help for that. If you're not good with that sort of thing, the websites you can go to. So we've established the fact that you're not really some lonely alone author sitting somewhere in front of a laptop, trying to figure it out.You got all the fucking help you need. And of course you can email Kim or me, and then we'll be happy to tell you what we can, you are so not alone. So once you have this book out, and even if you are a pub publish through a publishing house, that doesn't mean that you have to set back and let them do all the work.You can still pub, you know, market yourself if you want to. So most of what I'm [00:51:00] saying, or pretty much all of what I'm saying has to do with self-publishing because I ain't selling my shit to nobody until I have a chance, you know, to do with myself. If I could sell drugs and sell the military as a recruiter, I'm gonna see what I can do with my own book first, before I let somebody buy my shit.And so. So, so now we're gonna talk about how can we get the word out or your social media making like a Facebook author page I've been told is a really good idea. I didn't do that because I have a podcast page on Facebook and the book is the same name as the podcast. So it was kind of like a redundant thing for me, at least at this point, , you know, you know, now once I release my next two books this year, the Navy I'll set up an author page, but I ain't got time to work with all that shit.I need to hire an assistant to do that. I'm running too many businesses, like I'm at my breaking point, but,Kim: that's another thing you can use five or in places like that for is some of that kind of stuff that, that is sort of [00:52:00] the, the busy work of, of marketing that you can get somebody to do it for you for not a ton of money. So you don't have to stay up at night. Wondering why haven't I gotten it done or, you know, feeling overwhelmed with stuff.There are people out there, there are sources that you can tap into that will help you with stuff like that, too.De'Vannon: Yeah. So that's a good idea. So maybe once I so I'm working on a book called don't call me a Christian, which is gonna be a free book, but still it's a book. There's gonna be a free ebook on my website. And then I'm writing a book of poetry too. That will not be a free book, but so then I might go on five or somewhere like that and be like, Hey, I need someone to just run this author page on Facebook post.And cause I look at your author page on Facebook and you've got all the pictures going on and you're engaging with the audience and everything like that. And I'm all like that is such a great idea. Who has the time isKim: Oh, my gosh, I hear you. It is it, yeah, I, I get [00:53:00] overwhelmed. You know, my, my book was my latest book. Love is, was published on December 7th. And I have to keep telling myself it is a marathon, not a sprint. Like I want the book to sell thousands today. I want it in people's hands. I believe in the message, just like you do your book, but you gotta realize it's one person at a time.And then hopefully that person will tell somebody, you gotta buy this book. It's a great book. And I think statistically too, every one book that's actually out there, five people or seven people will read that book because people will share a book. And so, you know, the numbers that you sell aren't necessarily the numbers of people that are reading it.And if you really wanna monetize things, you've gotta figure out ways to do it. Like I think you do such a great job of like I love your book. Cover is amazing and would be, and makes an amazing t-shirt makes an amazing. Journal [00:54:00] cover, right? Makes an amazing, a lot of other things that then you can use Shopify or whoever to print full, you know, to do those things for you and you don't even have to touch it, but figuring out other ways to monetize your product, not just the book itself, but what else can you do with that?What other programs can you do? Is there coaching that you can do along with it? Is there you know, webinars that you can hold or whatever that you can help promote the book, but, but also monetize it in another way.De'Vannon: that's pretty badass. I had not thought of that.Kim: Well, that's why we're friends cuz what I don't think of you do and what you don't think of. I do.De'Vannon: Yeah. I thought that sister, so and so in terms of marketing, also, there is a website called pod match.com and podcasting is huge. I have heard it said that it's a good idea. If [00:55:00]someone's gonna be an author, if they feel like they have the skill and they would care to do it. And if they feel called to it to start a podcast, because the two can balance, the two can benefit each other.And so that was, that was, that was why the idea first came to my, came to me to start a podcast because people were telling me, Hey, start a podcast. If you're gonna write a book, so you can start to get that audience building up. And so that's something to think about. So if you ever think you wanna start a podcast, I recommend pod match.com.My affiliate link will be in the show notes. You can sign up and so I can get paid. But it's a way that makes podcasting easy. You can go on. This is website. It's like Tinder. But for podcasting and you can be a podcast, host a podcast guest on this website. You can sign up to find people to come on your show, or if you have a book and you don't wanna do a podcast, or you can use other people's podcasts and their Audi audiences, as they've already established to market your book for [00:56:00] you, you don't have to pay to go on someone's podcast.Now through pod match, it's a free service. If you wanna upgrade like me and pay the $39 a month, then you can have more access. But when it comes to to, to, to book promotions going on people's podcast is a huge thing that's trending right now in podcasts. The industry is just growing and growing and growing and you don't even have to pay for that.That's free fucking money, you know, it's, it's just free. And so now, so we wanna avoid way websites out there who are gonna try to charge you ridiculous amounts of money, like hundreds of dollars to go on. Like people shows saying this person's this great. They've got all this going on, but there are no guarantees.You know, you may spend all that money and not get shit from that interview. And cuz you're gonna have to grow your skills as a podcast guest and everything like that. And so through pod matches either free or you can pay 39 a month for more access to it. But it's a good service either way. There's just too many vultures [00:57:00] out there looking to take advantage of artists and people who are just trying to express themselves.Kim: Yeah, it's so true. It's so true. There's you, you do have to be on the lookout, just like you do with everything else. You've gotta be, be aware and, and be careful. And if something looks too good to be true, you gotta know that it is too good to be true. Somebody promises you that they're gonna sell so many of your books.It's not gonna happen. Like, unless they're personally gonna buy a thousand books, you, there is no guarantee that that a thousand books are gonna be sold. So you gotta ignore those things and do the hard work yourself.De'Vannon: Yeah. Cause before I fired the production team that I had previously, who I met through the same person who was the ghost writer, who I also fired they were charging me like a hundred dollars per person to find someone to come on my show for me to interview.Kim: Oh, my word.De'Vannon: Now, these are people that they already knew usually.So it's not like they [00:58:00] had to do any kind of work, but send a few emails. And so, but that's, this sort of thing is common. It happens through pod match. I was able to stop paying them like $1,500 a month to, to work with my show and everything. And I learned how to do this shit myself. It's easy. I don't even have to actually go and look for people because they find me on pod match and ask me to come on my show.So I don't even have to. So I went from paying a hundred dollars a person to have someone come on my show to $39 a month to have unlimited amounts of people, you know, trying to come on my show.Kim: Right, right. Well, and they do have a free choice too. So you can even just do it for free. You're not gonna necessarily get as many matches, but but there are free things that you can do as well, but definitely worth it with pod match to pay the $39 a month. Absolutely.De'Vannon: But it's also a community. Kim. I learned Alex and FETO is the genius that is behind what is pod [00:59:00] match? They have like over 20,000, 25,000 people on pod match now, and it's always growing and they've bought out other pod, other similar companies before, because nobody's doing it better than they are. I learned where to get the, the equipment set up for my podcast and everything through pod match.You know, you have a community there, so you're not alone. Cause a lot of people wanna start a podcast and they're sitting there alone in their room. Like where the fuck do I begin? And then you go on the internet and you have all these people trying to sell you all this bullshit that you don't need. But through pod, through, through the pod match community, which is a different website, but you access it through pod match.com.You can post a question. Hey, where do I start? You can just message Alex and Filippo the found it directly. Then he will tell you I would just throw it out there. I currently use a road eroded mic and a NGO camera. They just plug into my mic and they just plug into my MacBook. There's no switchboards and switchy that needs to happen.You know, some people like to get complex with it. [01:00:00] That's fine if you wanna hold mixing sound board, but I just plug this bitch in and go. And I use the same mic

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INTRODUCTION: Kim Sorrelle is the director of a humanitarian organization, popular speaker, and the author of two books. Her first book, Cry Until You Laugh, is about her and her husband's battle with cancer after being diagnosed just four months a part. Her second book, Love Is, chronicles her year long quest to figure out the true meaning of love, a sometimes funny, sometimes scary, always enlightening journey that led to life-changing discoveries found mostly on the streets of Haiti.   INCLUDED IN THIS EPISODE (But not limited to): ·      Stop Being Judgmental  ·      Read The Bible To Improve Yourself, Not Others·      Deep Insight Into Life In Haiti·      Deep Insight Into VooDoo – HooDoo – Witchcraft ·      Catholic Shade·      Church Codependency ·      Fucking Nuns!!!·      Physical Abuse Just Ain't Right!!!·      Overcoming Government Hurdles ·      My Personal Story Of Being A Victim Of Witchcraft  CONNECT WITH KIM: Website & Books: https://www.KimSorrelle.comYouTube: https://bit.ly/3vRFWXfFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/loveisbykim/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kimsorrelle/?hl=enTwitter: https://twitter.com/Kim_SorrelleLinkedIn: https://bit.ly/3tEzK24Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/ksorrelle/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@livelove_outloud  KIM'S RECOMMENDATIONS: ·      All You Need Is Love (The Beatles): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7xMfIp-irg  CONNECT WITH DE'VANNON: Website: https://www.SexDrugsAndJesus.comYouTube: https://bit.ly/3daTqCMFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/SexDrugsAndJesus/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sexdrugsandjesuspodcast/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TabooTopixLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devannonEmail: DeVannon@SexDrugsAndJesus.com  DE'VANNON'S RECOMMENDATIONS: ·      Pray Away Documentary (NETFLIX)o  https://www.netflix.com/title/81040370o  TRAILER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_CqGVfxEs ·      Upwork: https://www.upwork.com·      FreeUp: https://freeup.net·      Disabled American Veterans (DAV): https://www.dav.org·      American Legion: https://www.legion.org ·      Black Licorice (consult your doctor): https://www.webmd.com/diet/black-licorice-health-benefits#1 ·      VooDoo Explained: https://bit.ly/36SBA83 ·      What The World Needs Now (Dionne Warwick): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHAs9cdTqg  INTERESTED IN PODCASTING OR BEING A GUEST?: ·      PodMatch is awesome! This application streamlines the process of finding guests for your show and also helps you find shows to be a guest on. The PodMatch Community is a part of this and that is where you can ask questions and get help from an entire network of people so that you save both money and time on your podcasting journey.https://podmatch.com/signup/devannon  TRANSCRIPT: [00:00:00]You're listening to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to! And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right at the end of the day. My name is De'Vannon and I'll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world as we dig into topics that are too risqué for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what's really going on in your life.There is nothing off the table and we've got a lot to talk about. So let's dive right into this episode.De'Vannon: Hey, Hey. Hey, all my lovely peoples out there. Thank you so much for tuning into the sex drugs and Jesus podcast. Again, one more week. I appreciate you very fucking much. Now, today I'm delighted to be talking to my sister, Kim, surreal, who is the author of love is, and also another book called cry and tell you why.Now, this is our second interview. And in this episode, we're continuing our [00:01:00] conversation about Hoodoo and voodoo and witchcraft. I'm going to give you my personal story of how I was a victim of a witchcraft, and then we're throwing shade at judgmental, Christians in churches, because for some unknown reason, they don't seem to get the point that the whole reason to read the Bible is to improve yourself.Not other people take a listen to this episode.Hi, is this the girl, how you doing today? Kim: I'm doing great. How are you? My brother,De'Vannon: I am marvelous and I am so goddamn. Happy to have you back with me today. I felt like it was divine Providence. It was meant to be and everything like that. The last time that we did an interview, when it was over, I felt like I just didn't want to let you go. And I [00:02:00] feel like that God has bonded us and infused our souls together.And I have a feeling that we're going to be seeing a lot more of each other in the days to come.Kim: I think exactly the same way. I am so happy about it. I have to say, because I feel like we are, we are meant to know each other. We are meant to be friends. We are meant to be in each other's lives and I love.De'Vannon: Absolutely. Absolutely. And so on the last show, we covered stuff like the, about you went, you, you, you and your husband went through with cancer, how it is being a widow and everything like that. Since the husband that we were speaking about as, as you put it in your book, love is, was the gifted with the was gifted with a ticket to have, and it was either love is or cry until you laugh.One of those books that, that, that one liner was in there. And it stood out to me. And we talked about how you received your cancer medical diagnosis on a voicemail and talked about how I got my HIV diagnosed on a voicemail. [00:03:00] And that was a whole thing because doctors shouldn't do that. Kim: Ever ever, never, ever.De'Vannon: And then we happily hopped down the rabbit hole and talked about the health benefits of black licorice for quite a while. Kim: Yeah. So it was good. How we stay just in one direction, kept on just one topic the whole time.De'Vannon: Right. Kim: Yeah.De'Vannon: So Kim's arousal to the author. She's an entrepreneur and speaker cancer survivor, and a lover of black licorice. As we were just talking about. Now, you got two books one's called love is one's called cry until you laugh. Your website is Kim surreal that calm, of course, that will be in the show notes as I always put it, but I would just spell it.It's K I M S O R R E L L e.com. So I want you for both of those books. Why didn't you [00:04:00] title love is love is and why did you title cry until you laugh, cry until you laugh? Kim: Well, Brian too, you laugh is the journey of being diagnosed with cancer. And four months later, my husband being diagnosed with cancer and then losing him six weeks later. And so I wrote for a bit over a year. And when, when you go through stuff like that, you cry and it's good to cry. You know, it, you're going to grieve it and grief can be healthy.You know, you need to recognize it and breathe it. And so, but there has to be a moment. When you allow yourself to laugh again, when you don't feel guilty thinking that you're somehow dishonoring the one who was left or their life or wallowing in self-pity or self-doubt or whatever, then you can release that and laugh again.You, you [00:05:00] have to be able to do that. So that is the cry until you laugh. And then love is, is because it's a book about what love really is. And I used a 2000 year old poem. Love is patient love is kind, does not envy does not boast. They has 14 love ISS and love isn't in it. So love is, was a pretty natural title for that.De'Vannon: I love how you describe that, that.Hebrew scripture, the 2000 Euro poem. I think That's very beautiful, Kim: what it is. Yeah.De'Vannon: cause he's just, he's talking about an excerpt from the belief first Corinthians 12 or 13. I think it's very scrutiny in the 13 and. And it's, and it's a law from a letter that the apostle Paul had written to the church at Corrine. And and she's describing it as a poem. And so I think that that's very cool to point [00:06:00] out because the Bible is, you know, a collection of writings and it can be looked at in a thousand different ways.And so I think that that's a, a beautiful perspective to have on it. Kim: Yeah. Well, I mean, I think if you look at the Bible that way and you read that Bible, that way, that it's a collection of poems and stories and life events, you know, just it's, it's just a beautiful book that has all these different elements put together written by different people during different times.And and if you look at it that way, it's it's not so intimidating, right. It's just a beautiful script.De'Vannon: Well, I think that the Bible's ever meant to be intimidating. You know, it's a, it's a collection of people's thoughts and. And their wisdom and their mind for the set of knowledge that they had at the time. [00:07:00] And so I look at it from, okay, this is someone else's life that I'm looking at. What can I learn from it?You know, what can I, what what's gonna serve me here. And I really wish more people would look at the Bible from like a self-improvement aspect, as opposed to, how can I go into this Bible and find out what's wrong with everybody else? Kim: Yeah, so true. So true. And there is so much to learn. I mean, there's so much to learn every time I read something that I've read before I see something different in it. It's, it's so unique that way that it's constantly giving. If you let it.De'Vannon: Right. And so, and I want to issue that warning to people who are starting spiritual paths and spiritual journeys and stuff like that, to let the focus always be you it's so easy to get caught up in self-righteousness and judging other people. When you get going, walking with God or being a Christian specifically, [00:08:00] I cannot say that I have had this experience with people I've interacted with, from other faiths the whole judging people thing.That from my experience so far in my almost 40 years of logging this earth, that almost seems to be exclusively Christian, just, just from my take on it. Somebody who I no longer affiliate with he was telling me, he was, when I first met him, he was like agnostic. He didn't believe in anything, whatever.And he had some sort of come to Jesus moment and now he was going to somewhere. Cherish or some sort of religious group or whatever. And I asked him whenever somebody tells me that the first thing I asked them. Okay, well, what do you think about the LGBTQ plus community? Because I'm in that community.And I need to know that I'm talking to somebody who thinks that there's something wrong with me, because if that's the case, we can no longer continue to associate, but I'm not going to abuse myself like that. And so and so then he got into the whole, well, you know, I'm just saying what the Bible says.If, if, if the answer to that question is [00:09:00] anything other than no, you all a perfectly fine. That means you think something's wrong with us. No matter how you try it. No matter how you try to wrap. Hey, you know, and I cannot tell you how many times I've asked people who try to come on. My show are people who in various ways, I meet them where they stand on this and they've got some sort of Vegas just thought of, well, it's all sins bad.No, no, no, no, no. There's only two right answers to that question. You could be like neutral and just not give a fuck one way or the other. If you had the awakening to understand that you don't actually have to have an opinion about everything, but that takes a different level of growth. And most people haven't made it there yet.Or the other one is just to be like, you know what? I don't know. I, I read the Bible for me. I'm not concerned about other people and there's nothing wrong with y'all. So before I dismissed him, I let him know. You know, when you read through the Bible, since you're a new Christian, you ain't been trying [00:10:00] this renewed even a year yet, and you have all these opinions about my lifestyle. You know, I said, just remember that the book that you're reading is an American, it.did not come from from white conservative people, even though they'd been in charge of the interpretations of it. It's not their book. And it does not an American book. It is from the middle east, and it was written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic at, until you go back and read those original languages and learn to decipher them for yourself, then you are judging me off of someone else's opinion on someone else's book.Yes. Kim: But that is such a great way to put it. And that is absolutely so true. And so many things, so many things have been misinterpreted that bad being one of them. And I don't understand why churches Call themselves church, right? Christianity is supposed to be about love and peace and joy. And the opposite of judging yes.That it's preached from the pulpit, from the pulpit. I have never [00:11:00] understood that. Why, why anybody would be judged a combatant first of all. But secondly, the way it's interpreted as absolutely wrong God created you to be who you are. God created me to be who I am and the best thing we can do is let each other live.The way that God created them to be the minute we start saying, no, if you are a part of that community, you're destined to have for help, you know, that's bad, it's a sentence it's wrong. Then you're slapping God in the face. And you're saying, God, what you created is wrong. How can you say that? How can you say that you believe in God, you believe in a higher power that created us all and loves us all, but made a big mistake.And a lot of people's lives, how the two just do not go together and there's, it's so misunderstood. It's, it's such a hard [00:12:00] thing for me to wrap my head around why anybody would ever want to condemn anything that God created and say that it's bad or that it's wrong, or that it's sin when God created it.It doesn't make sense to me.De'Vannon: The inner it didn't never will make sense because it's nonsense cool. Kim: Right. Right. True.De'Vannon: But the inner working thing, there is arrogance because, and it's, and it's, and it's a, it is a very arrogant and high minded and condescending thing to go in, to text into to treat people that way. Because inherently what you're saying is my life is so great and your life is so not. Let's see, let's see the devil has deceived them as they think they're doing God's work, but they're not, but we've seen this in the Bible before many, many times like Paul, the apostle is the greatest example because and I think this is one of the bigger [00:13:00] reasons why God put the store in the Bible.I remember the Bible is only a snapshot of what happened so much more happened than what's in west recorded. These were just what God felt like should make the final. So fall before you turned it into Nepal is just like Republicans today. And all these conservative people who've have these high and mighty opinions on what other people should be doing.And he just cannot have it. He's insulted at the way they're living. We can't have none of this. And so he goes and gets the same. Hedron Sanhedrin is like the, the religious people who were the, the law of the land. So basically he's going to get government approval to persecute people like Texans, persecuting, women who want to get abortions and the people who help them it's the same damn thing.And so when he's doing it in the name of righteousness, just like the Republicans, they're supposedly doing it in the name of rights and on his way to Damascus to go and persecute more people. So he can force them to live the way he believes they should live. According to his interpretation of scripture.Jesus like, no [00:14:00] bitch, stop you doing too much. Kim: I'll blind defer a minute as a matter of fact, and really get your attention, right? De'Vannon: right? So. So this has all been written before that. So my message and my ministry is not to try to talk to idiots like that who are to cause there is no K nothing, but God and knock sense into people like that as has been demonstrated. But what I can do is help people to stop receiving negative messages from people like that and then hurting themselves because of it because we, until we enlightened and we ascend to the point that we do not let what other people say affect us, we let other, what other people say affect us.That requires growth and maturity and people are going to listen to other people, be the on social media, in pool pits, whatever kind of platform people give ear to people. And then people let what people say, change them until they grow enough to stop doing that. And so my job and my task is to[00:15:00] help the weakest among us, the people who feel the smallest among us to become independent spiritually, mentally.And so. Kim: Yeah, that's a big task and it's a beautiful one because there's not many people doing what you're doing and people need to hear. That, who they are as good and wonderful. And they've been beautifully and wonderfully made and to stop letting other people interfere with that.De'Vannon: That's a big task and I don't feel overwhelmed by it because as the Hebrew Bible says, power belongs to God. And that no matter how much we may plant water, you know, only gone can give the. So I don't have stress on me. Like how preachers do when they feel bad. If nobody receives the Lord in service on, on Sunday, they feel, they make a whole big deal of nobody stands up to receive Christ during the [00:16:00] benediction on Sunday, because they feel like it's a personal blow to their ego, that their message couldn't move one person to accept the Lord, but you don't really know what changes happen in people.You see that's about the preacher's ego. So I have enough sense. Thank God at this point in my 40 years to to just do what I do and sit back and see what God's going to do with the pressure isn't on me. Kim: Right, right. Yeah. That's good. And by the way, your 40 years are like somebody else's 80 years, you know, you have lived and not only have you lived, but you live to tell about it, you know, that your story helps other people and the things that, you know, and the way, you know, the things that, you know, affect people and help so many people, like, I just can't even imagine how many lives you've touched.De'Vannon: Well meet there. I haven't the foggiest, but I didn't know. It be like more, more, more, more. [00:17:00] So let's talk about Haiti. So in your book, love is you get into Haiti. You have an interesting. Kind of like love and hate emotional tango with Haiti's like you, you love it, but you hate it. You say once you've been there, it has a way of pulling you back in the book you state, I'm going to read a little excerpt real quick.It says flying over Haiti, like flying over Jurassic park. You see the lush mountains slowly rolling out until the gorgeous green Plains. And finally the Sandy friend of the turquoise CATA Cattabean, but you don't see the carnivorous monsters waiting to devour, whoever there's the land. What would tell me about the carnivorous monsters? Kim: It's tough. There it is. It is hard there. I it is like two steps forward, three steps back. Like anything that you, you try to do or anything you want to do. There are [00:18:00] roadblocks with every turn and and it's not so much saying like something that I don't like, you know, that, that I'm American, so I know better.And I've, you just listened to me. Your life could be so much better. It's not that it's that that the government is really not for the people. And so it's really against the people. There are people that make money on poverty, so they don't want to see a change. They don't want to see people elevate their lives.People live a healthier, better life, eating everyday, having a place to lay their head at night education. You know, the simple things in life that we all take for granted that don't exist for a whole lot of millions of people. It just in, in Haiti alone. And there are just these monsters that, that live to [00:19:00] devour anything good that is happening and step in the way of it.So that progress can be made. It's a tough place to work, a tough place to live.De'Vannon: I think It's interesting the way you worked, you know, tough stories like that. And the one about the Catholic non-health that I hope we have time to get to later into this book about love is because you basically took that scripture in first Corinthians 13 and broke it down and you took a, year of your life and you, and you tried it all out.Love is patient love is kind and, you know, you know, one would think hearing that is going to be a nice, you know, flowery book, all about just good love and good Skittles and fucking gummy bears like that, you know, but, but actually shit got real, you know, intermittently throughout the read. And so so Haiti, so when people think about Haiti, [00:20:00] a lot of people think about voodoo. Witchcraft Hutu and all of that, a very ignorant ass family member of mine. When he kicked you in Haiti had their, it was a recent earthquake, gone bless them. He said some stupid shit. And to which I shut him down immediately. As soon as he heard about the earthquake or whenever it was around him, he said, oh, well, let's tell of all of that voodoo. They have down there as if to say it is the people of Haiti's fault for receiving the earthquake. And I tell him after I flipped my, my imaginary blonde hair out of the way, you know, as you do what you, when you were about to open the library on a motherfucker.And I was like okay, you haven't been to Haiti, never. I know you haven't taken the time to pray for them ever. How dare you say something so negative and so presumptuous about these people and you're supposed to be this church going [00:21:00] person God-fearing and that's the best you can do.Kim: It's a, it's an ignorance. There's no doubt about it. You know, really, as you're saying that, I'm thinking, so does the same person if they're sitting next to somebody in church and that person receives a cancer diagnosis, are they saying well, it's because it's because of the sin in your life. It's because of that, you know, is that what they're doing?Because basically it's the same, right? They're condemning a whole nation, but it's the same thing as saying that if anything bad happens to anybody it's because, because of that, they brought it on themselves, is completely ignorant.De'Vannon: Well, this is anything about those of us in the two S LGBTQ plus community. We get HIV. They go, well, that's what you get for being gay, you know, but you know, the jokes is going to be on them because, you know, the Lord [00:22:00] said, you know, God said that that God is not mocked whatsoever, man. So that also will he read it?He said, if you, if you give. Receive mercy. But if you dish out judgment without mercy, that he said, you're going to get judgment without mercy. And so all of this being mean to people and stuff like that, it might make, make, make a person feel powerful on this plane of existence. But when you die, there is no currency.Like you cannot buy your way, angels and demons. Don't give a fuck about money or about titles or about buildings or about the things that we chase after in this earth. You know? And so the, the, the, we, we are a fool. If we put more stock into what we can gain in this earth, be it power or power over people, as opposed to being nice to people and showing love.You know, there's so many examples of that from the parable about the rich young ruler to the way the Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness and tried [00:23:00] to offer him all the kingdom of the world, you know, this is a vice of the devil to try to deceive us, you know, and it's, it's so like plain, but you know, the Lord doesn't open someone's eyes.They're not going to see it. So, so, so, so, so this ignorant.family member, he knows enough about Haiti, even in passing to know that, that there is a strong concentration of like a voodoo and Hoodoo there. So in your book, you write that nearly every Haitian practices and believes in God, and there is cultural, voodoo and good reasons for the ongoing existence of the religion. I want to read an article, a small article. This is. Reading tirade. I'm going to go on this interview because there's Hoodoo, there's a voodoo, there's the, there's a food Dawn, which I want to let you talk more about that. Cause, and then there's like witchcraft, there, there are [00:24:00] differences. And I had to really look this up to find this out.And even in the research of it, different websites, that slightly different things is almost feels like it's something that if you weren't like raised in it, you may not know exactly what the fuck it is you're talking about or unless you knew someone really close. So I'm going to read this and I'm interested how this compares with your personal experience living in Haiti.Now tell us how long, how much time total you think you've spent in Haiti. Kim: Oh, gosh. Probably all together. It would be in the years. Cause that for years I spent a portion of every month and 80 and then other times in 80. So I dunno, but a lot of spent a lot of time.De'Vannon: Okay, so, okay. So that was just bear with me for a second y'all and, you know, I love to read, so reading is fundamental as mama RuPaul would tell us. [00:25:00] Okay. And so in this I pulled, and this is going to go in the show notes. This is from a website called www dot difference between that net. And so All right here.Here we go. So who to invite, who may sound the same, but the terms of related opposites, both who do and vote or widely practice and share a similar elements and roots in Africa, particularly west Africa seem to come up in my research. Both are also products of mixed beliefs that include pagan traditions, ancient worship, and elements of European.However, the main difference between who doing the vote. It is that the ladder is actually an existing religion, practiced by people while the former is considered folk magic. Lulu as a religion is an organized institution with established practices like religious representatives or leaders, teachings, and religious services or rituals.Who do as folk magic lacks, this foundation organization, Vudu invokes the power of the low loss in the African gods and [00:26:00] DDS. However, who do practitioners invoke the low loss by using Catholic saints? Voodoo is practiced by non Roman Catholics while hoodoos practitioners are often Roman Catholics who use both the African concept of gods and the religious saints of Catholicism who do practitioners are also followers of spiritualism.The specific term ascribed to a voodoo practitioner is a food who songs well, who do practitioners are often referred to as a root doctors or healers? The Huda practitioner often sees who do as a sort of personal. That can help them or other people through their knowledge of herbs, minerals, animal parts, bodily fluids, and possessions.The magic can be used based on one's inclinations desires, interests, and habits who do, and its practitioners empower themselves by accessing the gods and other supernatural forces in order to bring improvement or declined to a person's life. With this variety of knowledge and power, a practitioner [00:27:00] can help a person, all aspects of life, including love, love, evil, and restraining enemies.Voodoo is the original religion while who is the result of religious persecution and suppression who do develop by adopting and blending some foreign beliefs and religion to hide. It's our African roots African origins, which were considered pagan and unacceptable in the society, largely dominated by Christians, aside from being a religion.Also a culture in a way of life who do often specialize only in magic powers and the benefits that the magic can bring, who can be practiced as a hobby and even an economic income or a charity act. There is also a difference in the places of influence of both voodoo and Hoodoo. Luda is popular and thrives in the former French colonies like Mississippi and Louisiana, while who is more popular in the Southern part of America.Additionally, who do it, who do was brought to the new world by African slaves and who to arrive through Haiti, a [00:28:00] former French colony voodoo though pure and more ancient is often compared to Hoodoo. Voodoo encompasses a variety of fields and societies such as culture, philosophy, art and music, heritage, language, medicine, justice, spirituality, and power who do on the other hand is just a fraction of all of this.And it's also more focused on the power and spiritual side than anything else. What do you think. Kim: Wow. I just learned a lot have to say, yeah it's it's such an interesting. 'cause I think, you know, earlier you were talking about Christianity and you're talking about how people sending in pews, so love Jesus yet they can down other Christians or condemn people's lives, condemn what God made people to be, you know, or, or, you know, just look for fault, look for fault.Look, look for ways to judge. Right. And so there's, but there's [00:29:00] this good side of them that loves you. And and hopefully we'll learn how to be better and better and better at, at being Jesus to other people and really understanding that. And so then here, you're talking about Hoodoo and voodoo that have elements of that as well.Right? Like there's, there's good. Or cultural there. It's not all just animal sacrifice and zombies it's there's, there's parts of it that are intertwined in culture and in the richness of of countries and origins. And I dunno, it kind of makes people who they are, but at the same time they can love Jesus in the midst of it.De'Vannon: Did you know anyone who practice either of these parts? Kim: Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. Voodoo. Yeah. Right. I do. I, I have had both [00:30:00] positive and negative experiences with Buddha. The positive things that I've seen have more to do with culture have more to do with, with when you are raised in this culture of voodoo. There are so many things like on, like I've got this really good friend Dr. Who is this incredible Haitian doctor who has explained a lot of it to me. And, and we walked by this tree one day and it's, I don't remember what they call the tree, but basically if two people are fighting against each other, you know, one believes they're right. The other one believes they are right.Then they both are supposed to go to this tree and, and state their, you know, how their rights states. Their message, whatever it happens to be. And that the roots of the tree will come around the feet of the one who's wrong. And that for some will not get out of there will not be able to leave the tree.So it's, you [00:31:00] know, their depth basically. So people don't want that. People believe that that will happen. But with this particular tree, this particular kind of tree, and they don't want that. So they're more apt to say, you know what? I was wrong, you know what I did make that story up. I don't want to die, you know?So, so they're, they're not going. Fight as much for their cause when they know that it's not true and it might take them to the tree. Well, you know, there's something to be said for that. Right. And so there's, there's a lot of that kind of thing that happens. And then at the same time one night I was sleeping outside, that's in my book. I was sleeping outside with the tarantula and the snakes and the Chupacabra is at the, whatever is lurking in 80. And heard the sound that will never get out of my head. And even though I didn't see it, I knew exactly what it was. Buddha drums were going in the [00:32:00] distance. And then I heard this, I heard a dog cry, not how will not bark that screech not, but a dog cry.And it was. Horrific. It was all a horrible sound to hear the dog you knew was in so much pain and so miserable. And I've never had heard that sound before. And what it was is they were getting a dog alive and that dog was crying. Well, I don't care if you're an animal activist or not, or if you kill flies or not, nobody should skin an animal alive ever.And and for that to be part of a religious practice is pretty counterintuitive. When you should love all of what God has created [00:33:00] and that to take an animal and make them suffer that way was horrible to hear horrible, to know that it was even happening.De'Vannon: Yeah, I I concur with how horrible that sounds. I wonder what was the purpose of the ritual? What were they trying to achieve?Kim: I don't know. I don't really know. I know that that rituals like that are not that common in Haiti. It's like, it's sort of like religious extremists. So for the most part patients the, the part of Buddha that comes into the life is more the cultural Ludo, the different beliefs, the, you know, where we have walking under a ladder is bad luck or breaking a mirror is seven years of bad luck or whatever.A black cat crossing your path. They have things like don't pick up a child from behind, or the child will never grow. Don't tell a mom what that baby's [00:34:00] beautiful. Cause then the baby was going to grow up ugly or, you know, or the tree is gonna go around your feet, you know, whatever. So it's more the cultural things that are the beliefs in Haiti most patients are not out in the middle of the night beating drums and skinning dogs alive.And I think a lot of times when there are things like that, it has to do with. And people putting curses on other people. And that's another thing that I witnessed in Haiti is, is whether there is truly a demonic curse on somebody or it is you believe that there's a denim demonic curse on you. It is as real as real can be.And I've known people who have died because there was a curse on them. And I'll never that, you know, whether it was Satan doing work or it was just because in their mind they believe so strongly in this curse that they [00:35:00] knew they were going to die. So they did, I don't know the answer to that for sure.But but that kind of stuff happens as well. So, you know, the voodoo dolls, the whatever, right? I mean, you have something against somebody, you go to a a voodoo priest and put a hex on him and put a curse on them and. They're for real it's scary stuff, right? Not good.De'Vannon: Very good.Kim: No.De'Vannon: So what was the you said you had positive and negative. What was the positive experience you had with. see.Kim: Are, there are a lot of beliefs that bind people together. They have people watch out for other people that you know, how we can be influenced by, by things that were taught or things that we believe. And, but it can be it can either be positive or negative [00:36:00] and positive influence, you know, it, it can be like when you're a kid and your dad says you do that to your sister, and I'm going to give you a weapon.You don't do it out of fear. Well, there's, there's, there are things like that. They happen that that they don't hurt out of fear of because of, you know, cultural beliefs things that would have happened to them if they were to do something. So that's not all bad. If it's born out of something That we don't understand, or maybe negative or maybe whatever, if with the ad result being a positive thing, it's, you know, kind of hard to weigh it out in your mind and think, well then is it okay?And I think that some of it is okay. Because I think then you grow to, and hopefully grow into a new understanding, but meanwhile or alerting [00:37:00] as you go, if that makes any sense whatsoever,De'Vannon: Absolutely. So the negative aspect of it for you, was it what you described or did someone put a rude or some sort of judging on you? Kim: I've never had the Appen. I can't wait to hear your personal story with voodoo. I have to say I, a resident, you told me you had one, I've been anxious to hear about it from Europe. Lips. So, yeah. Yeah, but as far as I know, nobody's ever put a curse on me,De'Vannon: I think, I think it's interesting how this has like, ties like the Catholic church and everything like that. So it's not the first time in reading this article that I've heard that a voodoo can be used for good and that people who do it also believe in God, certain people have access, you know, like into the spiritual [00:38:00] realm in order to be able to receive a, shall I say this to affect change in the physical plane?Communication with spirits. Now, whether that's your clairvoyant people, your profits, your prophetess, this, you know, different sorts of people have different sorts of spiritual inclinations access to the other realm and stuff like that. And it comes out in different ways. Be it some sort of spiritual reading or some sort of, you know, for those of us like me, who dream, you know, in different things like that, the angelic handwriting people do where their hand moves on its own or under the guidance of the holy ghost or an angel, whatever you choose to believe and what it looks like scribble to everyone else.But that person can read what it's saying and it's, and it's, and it's like the true, true fairs on adulterated. So it's just for all the mystique that revolves around the Catholic church, You know, they don't often, well, actually they never mentioned their potential [00:39:00] ties to voodoo, you know, you know, different things that I, but you know, when you, when I think about, you know, all the all the campus in the world, like the burn candles, all the time to all of these different things, then people and stuff like that.I think that it's true. You know, like with like the, like the, probably the ties there, I think where the people know it or not, because in the practices alluded to it and who do it in witchcraft, there were, they a lot of candle burning that happens. They shitload of candle burning that happens. And so. It could be that when somebody lights a candle to St.Jude or whoever, you know, you know, you're all Catholic and stuff would maybe do a little bit low due to.Kim: know, that's interesting. I've never really thought about that. I was raised Catholic and [00:40:00]actually have a deep what's that I actually have a deep appreciation for the Catholic church. I think clumping everybody together can be hard. Right. And putting everybody in, in a clump and, and really whether you're Catholic Baptist Lutheran, Jewish, Hindu, you're an individual.And it's your individual walk with it. That makes the difference. And I know. Many many, many incredible Catholics and mother Teresa for one, not that I know where cause she's passed on, but she was an incredible, wonderful woman who did incredible things. And so when we clump people together, I think we have to be a little bit careful just because there are wonderful people and there are [00:41:00] difficult people in, in everything.De'Vannon: Yeah, I don't, I don't mind the people in the Catholic church. I'd I'd mind the institution that is the Catholic church. So like, I look at it as a way that can, that tends to damage people. I, to give a shit, if someone's a Catholic or not, like, and it's just like, it's just like how I'm not trying to say.Hard-headed hateful people. My, my, my ministry. So the people they heard, I'm not trying to change the Catholic church or argue with them. My ministry is to help undo the negative mental constructs that people leave the Catholic church with. And so, so when I say, I don't care where the Catholic church, I mean, I don't care for the Catholic church, not its parishioners and not as people, you know, they don't know no better, you know, or, you know, they're setting, they're being abused by them.Well, if some shit, sometimes literally if you an alter boy, [00:42:00]Kim: Right.De'Vannon: you know, then, you know, you know, and otherwise mental and emotional, you know, so, so yeah, I don't have any problem with the people, but the, the institutions. So yeah. Let me clarify that. If anybody, if I ever say like, fuck this religion or that religion on my show, I just mean the religion itself.The people who administer it, but not the attendees and stuff like that. You know, that's, that's a whole other different thing. And my main complaint against the Catholic church is how they insist upon having like a person. In between God and, and whoever the parishioner or the congregant, the church goer is I don't believe in confessing sentence to a human.I don't believe in kissing the Pope's ring. I don't believe in setting anybody else up on that pedestal because that was the whole point and purpose of Jesus coming here to remove a man from the equation. And I feel like Catholicism puts man. [00:43:00] In the equation and that does doesn't make sense to me. And I've preached spiritual independence. I want people to go to God for themselves when you need forgiveness, get it right now. Not once you make it.to a fucking confessional booth. When you need, if you want to do community, you can give it to yourself at home. God is accessible to us. These as near as the air, we breathe, we have access to him around the clock, 24 7 setting, right up in our living room with us.We do not need a church. We do not need people. Now, if you just feel like you need to have that great, wonderful, and many people will start out that way, but there is an overdependence on, on, on institution, religion and people that cripples people's spiritual growth. Kim: Oh, my gosh. I wish I had, well, this is being recorded. That's a good thing. Cause I love the way you just put that. Thank you for that. Cause it's, it's so true that, you know, it's the institutions that hurt us [00:44:00] and like what the Catholic church did with the altar boys is just a crime above crimes and continue.And unfortunately, and, and is for any institution to allow things like that to continue is unfathomable. Like, Y I it's, it's really sad, so I totally get what you're saying. And I totally agree with you. You're right on going back to your 80 years of wisdom.De'Vannon: Right. And so I don't make allowances for organizations like that anymore. I used to be. When I tend to churches, I would see some shit to make me raise an eyebrow and I'd go, well, no, one's perfect or not perfect, but no, I don't. They preach too bold of a message. Be it Catholic churches, Lakewood church, like who I used to be a part of it before I got kicked out of there or wherever like you, like, you exist on the financial backings of the people who you heard, [00:45:00]know, and so hell to the, no, like these in congruency, you can not be fucking the shit out of all of these altar boys and the priest who gets caught and his ability.You just move him to another Paris where he can fuck more Altuve boys. Like that, that tells me that the institution is rotten to its core, it's corrupted and that the parishioners are. So they just believe they need to have it so much that they just keep going and supporting it anyway. But I believe any source of abuse must because.There's no way in hell. If I was married to a man, I would let him abuse my child and just be like, okay, well you're pretty much good. So I'll stay with, Kim: Right, right. You're 80% good. Just 20% bad. So therefore, right. Yeah. No, you're you're right. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.De'Vannon: that's a whole other interview about why we allow ourselves to be subjugated. They're subjected to religious abuse from churches and institutions, [00:46:00] because we feel like we need to stay there. I'm speaking now to not just people who stay in Catholic churches or other abusive religions, but people who are not straight, who attend churches that have a doctrine against their lifestyle.I know gay people who do this. I'm like, they're going to church. And they're like, well, I'm just not going to page two. That sermon that's telling me, I'm going to go to hell, but that's having an impact on your subconscious mind and everything like that. It's hurting your spirit. When somebody tells you something's wrong with you, why would you support that church and still go there because your parents went there.You're afraid. If you stop going, you're going to burn up and go to hell. You know what? Again, if somebody was abusing you verbally, you wouldn't stay in a relationship with them. Why are you going to this church and letting them talk down? You like this. Kim: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't make sense. But I think that a lot of people are raised in a family where we're churches that important that, that if you don't go on Sunday, something's wrong. You [00:47:00] know, if you don't go Sunday morning, Sunday night was the night, you know, whatever something's wrong. And and your relationship with God should have nothing to do with what building you're in.De'Vannon: Preach it to a sitter, Kim: Yeah.De'Vannon: but since we're talking about the church bullshit, I'm going to go ahead and talk about the Catholic non now is going to save this for last, but in your book, you wrote nuns are scary ruler on knuckles, kind of scary. The kind of scary that makes you sit up straight, turning all your homework and not talk during class three critical things to know in a non-classroom or chewing gum is like a checkout.You, it gets cut. A messy desk is the devil's playground. And if a sister, meaning a nun tells you to jump, you don't ask how high without raising your hand first. Kim: Yeah.De'Vannon: And so. Girl I read through when I was reading that just emotions of fear, you know, prevailed, you know, came upon me and I'm looking at, okay, they're instilling [00:48:00] fear into people in order to dominate them, even when you were in school as we halfway in.But, but, but the Hebrew Bible says that God has not given us a spirit of fear. And so the same reason, you know, the same reason why I left the, the, like the alcoholism crystal method, like the whole anonymous drug movement is because I realized it was a fear based program. And that is in congruent with the word of God, because he told us not to be afraid.And so when I read this, I'm like, okay, these people, these kids are in school. These nones are like fucking Hitler or Vladimir Putin, whichever, whichever dictator you prefer. And they're like afraid that they'll like move or breathe. That's not good for anybody, especially not in those young developmental ages, but what do you think about this?Who you are now looking back on this and would you let a kid that you would have be in the same situation? Kim: Yeah. I mean, I think [00:49:00] back in the day it was considered respect maybe, but, but it's not respect, you know, there is a fear it's different. It was for me, my life experience completely different having a non stand in front of a classroom than having just a woman stand in front of a classroom. And and yeah, we were all afraid of the nuns.I know that that's such a generalization because I'm sure that many people have had great experiences with, of. Nuns. And so, you know, I don't want to put it out there. The all nuns, I was scary and bad, but my personal experience is I was scared to death of sister, Mary Lewis. And everybody, everybody was like it was definitely a fear for her.De'Vannon: And if you, and, and if you were to have a kid at that age, would you allow them to be in this sort of situation? Kim: I would [00:50:00] not, I would not, no, I would not. I screwed my kids up enough. That would just events go on about even more so. Yeah. No, I don't think it's necessary. I think there are ways to learn English without it being fear-based De'Vannon: I think it really hit you on the knuckles Kim: They would not me because I was too afraid to ever get in trouble, so I never got hit on the knuckles, but yet yeah, they, they would, yes.De'Vannon: physically abused the students. Kim: There was capital or corporal punishment, whatever it's called spanking spanking was definitely a a thing for sure. And with a paddle and fortunately I never went down that road either, because again, I was too afraid to do anything wrong to have that happen. So, but yeah, definitely physical, physical things definitely happened. But you know it was just common back then, [00:51:00] you know, I, there was a even in the public schools, they used to spank kids, which how demeaning and demoralizing. Right. So fortunately that's gone on, but but yeah, no, there was definitely a fear. You, you did what they told you to do for you.De'Vannon: Yeah, they'd be, they'd be people in my school and growing up in the hood, you.know, I would get beat at home with belts and stuff like that. You know, nobody should be hitting anybody period, period to the T at the end, it's not justified. Kim: Right. Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. You know, I think it's one thing when there's a three-year-old, that's just kind of being rebellious and doing what they're not told to do to just kinda, you know, not spank them, but maybe just let them know whatever you need to do to let them know what they're doing is wrong.And that, you know, won't be tolerated. [00:52:00] Like, you know, you have to be able to discipline your children, but yeah. Yeah. It's it's not good. I agree. Not good. Never in school. Never, never, never. De'Vannon: Never, never, ever. And so let me circle back. So I had mentioned witchcraft, I'm gonna read a definition of witchcraft. So witchcraft is magic spelled with a K and not religious. Anyone can be a witch, but not all of them are Wiccan, dualism, polytheistic, and monotheistic, meaning you a worship. Many gods are just one God being a, which is not about religion.It's about the craft of magic. And so I feel like some, the Vudu who do witchcraft have some sort of intersectionality at some. But at the same time, they have their own unique characteristics. Now witchcraft seems to be the most extreme of them all because it's not tied to like a belief in a higher power, which crowds is all about what [00:53:00] you can do.And so what I think happened to me when I was a teenager, Was was, was, was more on the realm of witchcraft. So what happened was this guy, I was 15. I was the alter boy and not at a Catholic church. I was at a Pentecostal church and that was just the title. Cause I sat on the alter, probably the only alter born Pentecostal church history.My pastor was just unique and I was her assistant and I was called the alter boy. And this guy was the choir director. He was like 21, 22 or something like that in that, in that age range. And so he had a fixation on me. You know, he approached me, we ended up like kissing and establishing a sort of relationship.So yes, totally inappropriate. But I'm 15. I don't know. All I know is this guy is hot and he's paying me attention. So what do I need to do to get more of this attention? And so at some point he manages to obtain the. A windbreaker from me, which he [00:54:00] didn't want to give back. And I later on realized why, because he was going to use it in his ceremony or his ritual.And I started having us at first, I started smelling like this cologne that he would wear his, his spirit would come around me. It would manifest itself as is in the frame where the fist cologne people have said, this sort of thing happens, say when their grandmother or relative dies, sometimes I would just be setting down and they'll just catch a whiff of a fragrance that they associate with them out of nowhere, seemingly.Okay. I think that's happened enough for most people to agree that that's a thing. And so, but this person was still alive. And so, and I'm just sitting at my house. He's never. around me that I'm smelling his cologne. Now I started having dreams about him every night. Not some nights every night. Every night and sometimes they're good dreams.Sometimes they're terrible, chaotic nightmares. I felt my bed shaking and stuff [00:55:00] like that. Like extra says shit. We go on a trip to Mexico and he's with the church and everything like that. And he's trying to have sex with me and I'm like on the fence about it, it didn't happen. He gets mad and he like totally changes in terms of this whole monster. At this point I get like more confused than anything. We get back the whole thing. It's a whole thing. The pastor, my pastor of the church, the head pastor, not his wife, but the pastor of the church of course preaches a sermon against homosexuality the first Sunday after this happens as they do.And so. He also called us into his office and, you know, read us for filled and was telling us we can't be doing, you know, this gay shit and everything like that. And so on and so forth. And so after this my dreams with him got even worse. Oh. And then he also had a female. I think she was female [00:56:00] fiance in California who moved to church that I didn't know about during the months that he was dating me and courting me and stuff like that.So I go to a counseling session with my female pastor who was also a prophetess high clairvoyant. She has like all the gifts and everything like that. And so she starts digging into what's going on and she's explaining to me like, you know, he's burning candles and stuff like that. And I think he used the candle call that in tranquil, which I didn't learn about this until years ago when I started to delve more into this, the in tranquil camp.Since it goes and it finds a wandering spirit. That's able to cross it between the worlds and it's in an enlist, the services of this, of the spirit to go in vex, the person who is the object of your affection and the spirit will take all piece from them until that person comes and BS with you. And so I was miserable for about like six months after the whole Mexico incident.Whenever I was awake, I smelled [00:57:00] his odor whenever, while I was asleep, I dreamt of him. I couldn't escape him no matter where I went. And and my pastor was telling me, well, he's got you under a spell and what he was trying to do. And he was successful at it. He wanted to do you want to have me all to himself?And so he took my soul and he basically ran off with it. And then when we got into the argument in Mexico and we had a break, if I could get. It tore us apart, but since he had my soul and I was trying to get away from him, which she said, was it like it tore my soul in my heart felt like it felt like a burning in my chest.Like if someone took an Exacto knife and just went all Edward Scissorhands slash on it, and it felt like a searing, like molten lava was like pouring out of like this chest cavity. It was like the worst pain I've ever felt in my life. I still feel it. Like, if I think about it, I can still feel, it was just like searing.The, my veins was telling me, I couldn't understand how a person could have access to somebody else without that [00:58:00] person's permission, you know, I'm 15, I'm sure she's weighing, what can I explain to him? You know, with a 15 year old brain, you know, and stuff like that, I'm thinking the whole thing was my fault and everything like that.If he's like, no, you know, he out here, you know, the whole relationship wasn't supposed to happen. So. The, the whole trying to possess me and everything. And so he wanted me all to himself and everything like that. And it took about it took six months of torture was so fucking miserable. Like my grades suffered everything.I was just in hell. They innovate out. This was going into my 10th grade year. It was the summer that princess Diana died because he died and we were in Mexico. I remember that because it was on the news. And then one Sunday morning I was sitting at my kitchen table doing like homework, math problems or whatever.And I felt like the weight and the burden of this whole [00:59:00] spell. He had me under lift off of me. It was like, it was like such a relief that I had to get up and like go for a walk, like a walk that I hadn't been able to take in over six months. And my grandmother was just hanging out at the end of the driveway.I just, I just walked down there and just looked at her and I just, I knew that everything had changed. And I don't know if my evangelists, you know, my pastor's wife who was my counselor, was somewhere at the church, praying for me, that was Sunday. And we weren't at church of what she had told me that she would work to break the spell from off of me because she had that kind of power.But she said that it would take time. And I was like, you know, I want it to be quick. You know why we can't just do it now. And she was just explained to me, you know, some things take time, some stuff God does quickly. Some stuff takes time. It's just the way it works. And so the deliverance that not come overnight or quickly, [01:00:00] like I wanted it to because I was miserable.I just really wanted to just, I just couldn't find happiness anywhere. And so, but from that Sunday morning on, I never smelled as fragrance. Again, I never had a dream about him again in this. The spell was broken. I was able to get my jacket back from him, eventually reluctantly argument, really? And when I did, I couldn't wash his odor out of it, no matter how much I tried and ended up having to put in trash anyway.And he was using that as I was, it was, it was explained to me by vandals Nelson to feel close to me. And I'm sure it strengthened his spell. He never allowed me into his house or anything like that. You know, that I was able to peek Intuit one time. I was with somebody who went to go over and visit him for like a moment.And I could see like an alter candles thing going on, but I was never permitted in there. And so. [01:01:00]Kim: Wow. Wow. I, you know it had to be. So much deeper than, you know, like a broken leg might dig six months to heal, you know, like an injury that gives you pain might take a while to heal, but this wasn't just a part of your body. This was your soul. This was your whole being it. I can't even imagine the feeling at of course your grades would suffer.I would think your relationships with other people's suffering friendships, you know, whatever. I would think anything that you did would suffer when, when it's so all encompassing.De'Vannon: Yeah. It was like a, just being in the middle of a tornado. Just couldn't go anywhere. There's no, there's no escaping it. But you know, the God be the glory for his [01:02:00] mighty hand and his outstretched arm, because when he got ready, just like the children of Israel, they didn't come out and they wanted to, they had to wait until the appointed day, the appointed time.And when that time came, there was nothing that could, that could stop my delivery. Now this man, he was pure evil. He died a few years later. I thought it was cancer at the time, but because plus schools and shit broke out all over him and he was bent over on a cane a young fit, athletic, no body fat, you know, six pack, all of that, but he struggled up and died.I think he was buried at the age of 24 and I found out, you know, that he had aids and he was running around trying to intentionally spread it to as many people as he could so he could kill them. Kim: oh my wow. What a, what a legacy, goodness. Oh yeah. That. But sad. I feel bad for him. You know, it was evil, obviously what he was doing, but [01:03:00] what happens in a person's life that makes you like that?De'Vannon: Well for that?and understand from what my evangelists, evangelists, Nelson Jesus, she was my, my pastor and I was her assistant, my spiritual counselor, the prophetess, the clairvoyant, when she was explaining to me with web, when people would come to her who have gotten the HIV, she said they either have a very angry.Sometimes they have an angry reaction and they blame everyone else and they get really pissed off about it. You know, when I got HIV, I caved in and blamed myself and then I became recluse and withdrew from people. Some people go the opposite direction and they're all like, you know, fuck everyone. I'm gonna take everyone down with me.Damn it. You know? It evokes a response from people. And so when people are like, oh, you can just take the medication forward and fix it true. But you got to get over the mental health hurdle first that comes with having your body invaded with something that, you know, you can't get rid of rid of Kim: Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty [01:04:00] heavy. It's pretty big stuff, right?De'Vannon: it still to this day. And then everybody makes it over that mental health comes first, you know, that has to be addressed first, but we get to the medication. And so, so that's what happened. I go into detail even further about that in my, in my memoir, which I just, I emailed you a copy of it. It's finished.Finally. I'd have sent you a copy just a few minutes ago. Kim: Oh, thank you. Thank you.De'Vannon: And and so and so, and so, yeah, so let's, let's talk, go back to Haiti for just a second. I wanted to know. Tell me about your rays of hope international, your nonprofit. I need you.to, I need you to plug that. Kim: Sure. Yeah, it's a, it's a partnering organization. So we work with people in their own country, but I have a passion, a vision and mission to do something, to help people in their own country. So they understand the culture, they understand the language, they understand the need and they [01:05:00] just need somebody to walk alongside, not telling them what to do, but seeing what support they need.So sometimes it's a business plan. Sometimes it's you know, some startup funding, it can be equipment or supplies that they need a building they need build whatever happens to be, to get going, and then always with a plan for self-sustainability. So they're not always chasing dollars and they're able to continue the work that they feel that they're led to do.That's right.De'Vannon: I'm glad that you were able to find a way to be a permanent presence, you know, not just in Haiti, but in other countries too, and that you were able to overcome the governmental obstacles. Kim: Right, right. I mean, and every country you have to do that. I mean, there's governmental obstacles everywhere and some much tougher than others. And so you just kind of try to fly under the radar and get the work done. Cause [01:06:00] governments are hard to fight sometimes.De'Vannon: True. True, true, true, true. I know what I want to say. I wanted to say something else about the witchcraft thing. So I wanted to be transparent about that story because sometimes people have strange things happen to them. They think they're going crazy and difficult to go to like a mental health provider and be like, thinks of one has a food dog with my face on it.And they're fucking with me, you know? Cause you don't know if you're going to get admitted to the psychiatric, depending on who, who the mental health person is. And so, so then cause other people besides that guy does this, like I was at a store in new Orleans and you know, voodoo and witchcraft are big in new Orleans, you got booboo shops and shit.And I was getting candles and stuff like that to protect myself. So you can burn like say white candles. You can use like white bars of soap, olive oil soap to, to shield yourself from spells and different things. Like. [01:07:00] And I was asking her like what she does for work, which is a question I do not ask people anymore because I realized what a shallow and superficial question it is.And no one cares. They're just going to judge you by your occupation. Or it's just pointless banner. I ask people other questions when I meet them. But at this point I hadn't evolved to that level. And I asked this girl, oh, what does she do for work? And she was like, oh, you know, you know, general destruction spells started to break people up and stuff like that.She thought I was asking her like, what sort of witchcraft work that she do, because it's referred to like that, you know, like what kind of work, you know, you're going to work on somebody, you know, try to kill them, get them to lose a job or to make the move. And it's called working on people or And so, so she just said it as casually as the sky is a blue, she just, he just runs around breaking up relationships and shit, because there's, there's certain like candles and stuff, destructions that are designed to break up, to control a dominate.So you have you know, different aspects of it. And so it happens more regularly than you might think. You don't have to be in Haiti or in west Africa [01:08:00] or new Orleans or none of that. You could be anywhere in this earth. This shit is common. And then the people who make these witchcraft products ship them globally.So. So be careful who you run off with. I'm not saying run around afraid and peeping around the corners and everything like that, but you do need to know your friends and your associates and shit like that because people have practices that you might not think that they're doing when you're not around them.And so, but if strange things started happening, it would manifest like, say confusion coming out of nowhere in your relationship. Maybe you're great with your partner one day and one day you're not, it could be that somebody don't want you all to be together. Sometimes people, you might have confused and come up on your job and shit like that and stuff like that, you know, you know, so just to just, and how do you protect yoursel

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INTRODUCTION: Why Love? A couple of years ago, I heard about a man who committed to living like Jesus for an entire year. Wow! That's some commitment. I imagined the transformation that would undoubtedly happen. To find that joyful peace, or is it unwavering grit, insightful compassion, or humble adoration? Whichever way, each way, in all ways, life would never be the same.  I thought about how I would approach that challenge. How would I know that I was truly living like Jesus? Then it hit me; John says God is love. So to live like Jesus would be living love. But what is love? And how would I live love while crossing cultures with one foot on U.S. soil and the other in places like Haiti, where love is both obviously abundant and seemingly scarce, challenging and effortless simultaneously?  Not wholly unfamiliar, just listening to music, reading books, and sitting through many sermons, I have learned a thing or two about love. I know that it is universal, timeless, and ageless. It is a feeling, a choice, a given. It is all-encompassing, enduring, and everlasting. Love conquers all, never fails, and keeps us together. But it hurts, gets lost, and takes time. There are love bugs, love seats, and love boats. There are love notes, love songs, and love birds. Love is a dare, a game, a language. You can be lovesick, loveless, and lovely. You can fall in love, be addicted to love, would do anything in the name of love, playing the game of love with the power of love.You can't hurry it or buy it and don't know if it will be there tomorrow. Yet love is all you need. They say love the one you are with, and find the love of your life because love wins. There's even a “Love Chapter” in the Bible. We've heard the “Love Chapter” (1 Corinthians 13:4-8) read and expounded on many times (mostly at weddings). It's one of the most memorized, admired, and well-known passages in all Scripture, even by non-church folk. We've heard this famous passage so often our eyes kind of glaze over. “Love is patient; love is kind, does not env…” Yeah, yeah. We know how this goes.        But what is love, really?  So John says God is love. Bob the Tomato says God is bigger than the boogie man, Godzilla, and the monsters on T.V. So the love that is God must be way bigger than my love of black licorice and movie theater popcorn.  Jesus named the number one law of all of the laws, and there were tons. Leviticus, the third book of the Torah and the Old Testament, lists most of the 613 rules of conduct. He could have picked any one of them. Murder is pretty heavy. Stealing isn't exactly harmless. Adultery can destroy families in a hurry. Lying about someone could get you and them into a heap of trouble. But with no hesitation, he picked the one that sat right in between “don't carry a grudge or seek revenge” and “don't mate two different kinds of animals.” (Leviticus 19:18) Jesus basically said, “That's an easy one. Love God and love people.” Just like that. There is no exception clause, no fine print, no room for interpretation, love people, all of them, every single one.+           Even deeper, Paul said that you can't go wrong if you love people because love is the fulfillment of the law. Fulfillment, like an Amazon order, picked out of the warehouse, loaded, delivered, fulfilled. It's complete, buttoned-up, stick a fork in it, done. All of it, all 613 laws, if you love with the same love that God is, you don't break any. So WWJD (what would Jesus do) is interchangeable with WWLD (what would love do).  It makes sense then if you understand love than live love, your life would change. If that love got a little contagious, the whole world could be a better place.  I will figure out love one word at a time, taking 1 Corinthians 13 to heart and feet. Live it, learn it, love it. It is quite a list, a list that I think I already know, but somehow I think I have a lot to learn.  “Love is patient; love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.  Love never fails.” I Corinthians 13: 4-8 N.I.V. INCLUDED IN THIS EPISODE (But not limited to): ·      The Benefits of Black Licorice ·      Becoming a Widow·      Success and Failures·      Surviving Cancer·      The Beauty of Death·      Leaving Medical Diagnoses on Voicemails·      The Pain of Mammograms·      Can't Pray the Gay Away·      The Difference Between God and the Church·      The Pressures of Living a Lie·      A Spotlight on Haiti  CONNECT WITH KIM: Website & Books: https://www.KimSorrelle.comYouTube: https://bit.ly/3vRFWXfFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/loveisbykim/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kimsorrelle/?hl=enTwitter: https://twitter.com/Kim_SorrelleLinkedIn: https://bit.ly/3tEzK24 KIM'S RECOMMENDATIONS: ·      All You Need Is Love (The Beatles): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7xMfIp-irg  CONNECT WITH DE'VANNON: Website: https://www.SexDrugsAndJesus.comYouTube: https://bit.ly/3daTqCMFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/SexDrugsAndJesus/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sexdrugsandjesuspodcast/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TabooTopixLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devannonEmail: DeVannon@SexDrugsAndJesus.com  DE'VANNON'S RECOMMENDATIONS: ·      Pray Away Documentary (NETFLIX)o  https://www.netflix.com/title/81040370o  TRAILER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_CqGVfxEs ·      Upwork: https://www.upwork.com·      FreeUp: https://freeup.net·      Disabled American Veterans (DAV): https://www.dav.org·      American Legion: https://www.legion.org ·      Black Licorice (consult your doctor):https://www.webmd.com/diet/black-licorice-health-benefits#1 ·      What The World Needs Now (Dionne Warwick): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHAs9cdTqg  INTERESTED IN PODCASTING OR BEING A GUEST?: ·      PodMatch is awesome! This application streamlines the process of finding guests for your show and also helps you find shows to be a guest on. The PodMatch Community is a part of this and that is where you can ask questions and get help from an entire network of people so that you save both money and time on your podcasting journey.https://podmatch.com/signup/devannon  TRANSCRIPT: [00:00:00]You're listening to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to! And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right at the end of the day. My name is De'Vannon and I'll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world as we dig into topics that are too risqué for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what's really going on in your life.There is nothing off the table and we've got a lot to talk about. So let's dive right into this episode.De'Vannon: Hey everyone. And welcome to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast. I'm so thankful to have you with me again this week. God bless each. And every last one of you, Kim Sorrelle is my guest. Today. She is the author of two beautiful books and she has an incredible story. This is a woman has become like a sister to me and I am so excited to present her to the world.And in today's episode, we're going to talk about the benefits of black licorice. She's going to [00:01:00] tell us about how she became a widow. We're going to talk about the beauty of death and why doctors should not leave negative medical news on voicemails. Now, cam has a special love in our heart for Haiti.And so we spend quite a bit of time talking about Haiti, and then we get into a little bit about a voodoo, take a close, listen to this episode, and I hope you get a lot out of.Good morning. Good morning, Ms. Kim. So REL, welcome to the sex drugs and Jesus pod has today in the name of God. How are you doing woman?Kim: I am doing fabulous and I am so grateful to be here. And how are you?De'Vannon: I am fan fucking tastic van fucking tabulates and scrum daily. I'm shit. If I do say so myself, so I'm so happy to have you with me today. [00:02:00] I do believe that you're going to breathe in a shitload of value to my beautiful audience out there. Kevin likes to keep it real everybody. And so here we go. She's an author.She's an entrepreneur. He's a speaker. She's a cancer survivor and T the lover of black liquid. I'm going to give you a moment to talk about like your own history and your own way and adjust the second. But I wanted to dig into this a lover of black licorice, because never before what I've read into somebodies headlines on their profiles and things like that, that they mentioned any sort of candy or derivative of a, of a root or plant Loeser what licorice is.So I want you to tell me what is so special. What's so damn special about this black licorice, that it was worthy to go into your heading.Kim: How does a good question? Well, I feel like more people don't like black licorice than do like black licorice. And I can't imagine my life without it. It's just one of [00:03:00] those things I grew up. My, my favorite aunt, my aunt Rita, my great aunt always had black licorice in her pantry and she ran a home for old folks and I love going there and helping her out.And at the end of the day, having a piece of black licorice as a treat and I that's. Where am I love started for black licorice and it continued on. Apparently De'Vannon: Did you know, my dear that there are health, health benefits to black licorice. Kim: tell me. De'Vannon: So when I came across this, on your profile, it stood out to me. And so then I went digging around and shit as I do. And And so what I found, and I'm going to put a link of this link to web MD in the show notes of people can go and look it up, but it says it can help.It can help digestion blacklist by the laser. It's gonna help your digestive system work more [00:04:00]effectively. It can ease symptoms from indigestion, heartburn and ulcers. Black licorice extracts have been linked to a reduction in the bacteria that calls cause ulcers. And I could've sworn, I read something about this.Can have some sort of like maybe cancer-fighting qualities too. And so considering your history with cancer, which I'm going to let you tell us about, I was wondering if maybe a Lord was watching out for you. Early on in life before you got your diagnosis, because sometimes we have a taste for things that are going to heal us, and we don't necessarily realize it at the time.We just know we keep craving that for some reason. And so I'm wondering if perhaps you were drawn to that in order to help you overcome, you know, what you would be fighting later on in life.Kim: Interesting. Yeah. I love the idea of that. I have to say. Cause that's true. Like you hear about women that are expecting babies and crave certain things because there's [00:05:00] iron in it or there's something in it that, that they need or the baby needs or people in general. So yeah, couldn't possibly be for sure.De'Vannon: Yeah. So I'm just gonna read this real quick, then I'll hush and let, I was just so fascinated by this cause I'm a, I'm a licensed massage therapist and I like to get into natural healing and stuff like that. I have a shitload of essential Earls and everything like that. And so anything natural that we can do for ourselves, you know, sometimes the remedy that we need are like right there on the shelf in the house.And we don't know, you know, Kim: Right, right. De'Vannon: you know, then we go run into doctor via pumped, full all these drugs. Sometimes that's a good thing. Sometimes it's not. So I'm just gonna read this here. So it says a substance extracted from licorice root little cow cone dash a has been shown to have antitumor activity and acute leukemia breast and prostate cancer cell lines by lowering the amount [00:06:00] of BCL two, whatever the fuck that is a drug resistant protein excessive amounts of this protein are frequently associated with these cancers.Licorice is actually a plant and is found in like a couple of different countries in the world. And then that's how they make that black licorice candy. But it's not all sugar. It's bitter. Isn't that like the sweetest thing on the shelf. So yeah. I want you to know that and everybody else let's get some licorice y'allKim: There you go, you just see a level bunch of people. De'Vannon: so, so tell us about like what you, whatever you want to say about your history, and then go ahead and segue into the cancer story.Kim: Sure. Yeah. So I was going to be the first woman. That was my plan. And so I had my life laid out before me and knew where I was going to go. And when I was going to do, and then may of my senior year in high school, this man walked through the door [00:07:00] and I fell head over heels in love with him after swearing, I would never get married and have children because I had my life laid out.And 10 days after I met him, I asked him if he'd marry me. And he said, yes. And then we got married a little bit less than a year later. And so I was 17 when I got engaged in 18. When I got married, he was 22 when we got married. And he was the love of my life. I mean, I felt like we dated for a whole bunch of years.A couple years later, the baby started coming. I've got five kids and 11 grandkids and So big family. I know it's fun. It's so fun. And I love taking them to Disney world. They have this place on earth and they do sell like licorice at this new world. So that's good too. So, yeah, and I started my first business right out of high school.I'm not, intrepreneur sure. I've had businesses my whole life and and I run a nonprofit organization. I coached [00:08:00] varsity volleyball for 25 years and just whatever, been active and busy. And I've written a couple of books. De'Vannon: You know what? That's not a bad life. Kim: No, It's a great life.De'Vannon: It's not a bad life at all because you've, you've taken risks. You understand failure. You tell me about, tell me about at any point in your life where you failed at something, maybe it was a business, something that you try to do, and it didn't work out. Cause I wanted to illustrate because clearly you didn't get discouraged and you kept trying, and business can be a bitch to get into all the obstacles, the paperwork, the documentation.There's not really a clear path. And in, so sometimes we fail and we don't try again. So tell me about a time that you tried to do something. It just didn't work out.Kim: Yeah. Well, there's more than one of those stories to tell. I'll tell you that. I tried different businesses over the years. I was in business [00:09:00] on some businesses with my, my brother and my dad and some businesses alone and whatever. But we one business that didn't work out for me was fine dining. I have a golf course and and banquet facilities. So we do events, but we had fine dining. And that was, that's a tough road, man. Anybody in the restaurant business, I have so much respect for. I've been in the catering business for years, you know exactly how many people are coming, what time they're coming and what they're eating.Restaurant business is a whole different game, even staffing and knowing what food to have on hand and everything else. And there's so much loss of food and you can overstaff, or you can understand it. It's the, there's such a science to it. And to have one standalone restaurant and survive is amazing miracle hats off to those people.A lot of times you need more than one to [00:10:00] share expense and true income coming in. So yeah, that's that's, that's somebody, I have a whole lot of respect for people in the restaurant. This. De'Vannon: Yeah, I've been a server I've worked in restaurants. I've worked for catering companies. Yeah, it's, it's a bitch of an industry to be in, especially in the states because of the attitude that, that is here. You know, this may be the last country on the planet that actually still tip servers rather than just paying them, being fucking done with it.So I've wanted to highlight that because you know, with the pandemic and everything, people, you know, the world has. Like a sun has arisen over us. And I'm thankful for the disruption of the Corona virus, because it's shaken a lot of people up out of their bullshit as lie of a life that they had told themselves they were.But what I'm saying is that they were living a life that they really weren't happy with in the first place, they were lying to themselves and [00:11:00] accepting that as reality, they weren't happy. So the Corona virus took them away from the delusion long enough to get a new perspective. And then so a lot of people didn't go back to the bullshit.However, just because they're on a new path, doesn't mean it's going to be all gravy and flowers. You know, Dick sucking and all of that, you know, this is going to be some fuckery along the way. And so what, what, what words of encouragement that you say to people who are new to entrepreneurship, especially in this time that we live with so many people are, are trying new things and it doesn't matter if it's, you know, starting your own Lyft or Uber business, you're still an entrepreneur, you know, what would you say.Kim: I would say, do not give up. Don't give up. Don't give up. No, there been so many stories, story after story of people who their first try failed for second, try failed. Their third thing failed, you know, whatever in the publishing world. There's one of the books that has sold more books than [00:12:00]practically any other book in the world, maybe any other book in the world is the chicken soup for the soul series.If you've heard of it, I'm Jack Canfield and they had 144 rejections before they got a publisher to publish their book 144 and they have sold 650 million books. 650 million books. That's Yeah.no kidding. And so, so you look at that and go, well, what if they would've stopped at 1 42. And just given up, right.Harry Potter was rejected 11 times before publisher said yes. What if she wouldn't? What if JK Rowling's would have stopped that number 10 and just didn't put it out there anymore. Just don't give up. Don't believe in what you're doing. Work your butt off. Realize that entrepreneurship is the hardest road you sometimes I think people look at it and go, oh gosh, you're [00:13:00] your own boss?True. Oh gosh, you can set your own hours. Yes. But your own hours are more than anybody else. That's going to work for you. And you have to do everything alone at first, you know, like it takes up a long time to be in business before you take a vacation. So it's it's the hardest work you'll ever do.The most rewarding work you'll ever do. And really you, your name, your own price, you know, however hard you decide to work, whatever you decide to put into it is what you're going to get at. De'Vannon: Correct. And I couldn't agree more from having my own businesses and everything like that. It's bittersweet in that aspect. Like you do call your own shots. So it depends on what your value system is. Like. I value freedom. I love to come and go as I please. And I don't like being told what to do.Therefore, even though I got to go out there and hustle and make my own money every day, [00:14:00]my mental health is in a better state because I would rather the pressure of having to make my own money than to have a dumb ass boss telling me what to do and dumb ass coworkers, fucking up my vibe. Kim: So the military was great for you then. De'Vannon: the military and suck my fucking Dick.But yeah, I was 17 when I went to the military. I don't recommend that. You don't recommend it at all. Nothing. Since we mentioned Ms. JK Rowling, I always like to say, fuck you, JK Rowling for for being a damn turf, you know, and tariff is a trans exclusionary radical feminist because he has those strong views against like in like, you know, people, women who transitioned because he's like, I'm a real woman.Those bitches are not. So she's. Kim: I didn't know that about her. De'Vannon: Oh, God Google it. This bitch has been being bragged for filth and by the gay community of the two S LGBTQ plus community [00:15:00] for quite a while now, because she has liked certain posts and say a certain things, especially on her damn Twitter, I think so we love her forgiving us, Harry Potter.We love her for giving us the gay Dumbledore that was at a cute little sneak attack that she, you know, did that, or at least the fact that he was gay after all the books came out. So I appreciate the fuck out of her for that, but so she's not like against the gay people, but I don't like how she is against the trans girls to, you know, Kim: Yeah, that's too bad. Yeah. De'Vannon: it is too bad, but, you know, so she's bittersweet, you know, you know, and that's just where I stand on that. So, so let's talk about. The cancer. So some of my research and you, it wasn't just you who had cancer, you had breast cancer and said your husband had pancreatic pancreatic cancer. Now it's not very often. I talked to a person who were two people in their household had cancer at the same time. So walk me through the emotion.I [00:16:00] want to know where you were when you found out he had cancer. When you had cancer, where you were physically and where you were mentally.Kim: Yeah, well, hopefully this will be valuable to people. I was 47 years old when I found out I had cancer and I Fought getting a mammogram because I thought, oh, it's just a medical system making money. There's no breast cancer in my history that I would know if I had cancer. Like I just, I fought getting them a grams.And so I did not get them every year. Like you're supposed to, they're painful. They're horrible. It was obviously a man who invented the machine that turns your breast into a pancake. It is not a comfortable thing to have to do. And so I, I didn't want to do it. So I, I had you know, but like every few years and you're supposed to go more often than I, I was going.So my doctor convinced me to go and I went, I actually went to the [00:17:00] doctor because I tend to sell well. And she said, you know, you've not had a mammogram for a while. You really need to go. And so I went kicking and screaming and I said, Poor sweet ladies that were working at the Betty Ford clinic. I said, I am not having to be here.Like, this is ridiculous. I, this is a waste of my time. I'm a busy person. I shouldn't even have to be here doing this. And they were very sweet and very nice and did the mammogram, and then they make you wait. And then they wanted to do an ultrasound and they did that and they scheduled me for biopsy. And I was like, this is such a waste of time.There is no way there's anything wrong. And then on a Friday afternoon, two days after my birthday, actually, I wish I had a couple of my grandbabies in the bathtub and my phone rang at like three o'clock in the afternoon. And and they said Kim, the biopsies back, and you have breast cancer.And [00:18:00] that's pretty much all I heard. It was like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We'll call you on Tuesday. I was like, what? And they're calling me on a Friday afternoon, you know, and I watch lifetime movies. I like the lifetime good lifetime movie. And that never happens that way. You get called into the office.They tell you face to face. You can ask questions, you know, it's the big dramatic moment, right? No, they called me on the phone on a flip and Friday afternoon when I can ask no questions. That was frustrating to me. And so anyway, I didn't even know how to react. I started crying. I called my husband on the phone.He was at work and, and I could, could barely get the words out and, and it seemed like seconds later he was there and any did the right thing. All of you who have a significant other out there, he did, this is what you should do. He just grabbed me and held me. He just held me and we cried together.Cause we [00:19:00] didn't know what the future health and that cancer word is a scary, scary word. And so the next day I went to the bookstore and all the books about breast cancer were either very depressing or just medical. And I thought, I want to know what it's going to feel like. I want to know what it's like, you know, and I knew better than.Go tracing things on the internet because you see things you don't ever want to see. And so so I started writing actually, it was incredible therapy for me, but it was, I started out just as a way to inform friends and family. Instead of calling everybody, can't go to the doctor tomorrow, you know, whatever.But my writing turned into way more than, than just I'm going to the doctor tomorrow. It was what I was going through. And there are so many choices you have to make, like, one of the choices is I had the choice. I [00:20:00] had to have a mastectomy, but to take off one side or both. And I didn't know. I mean, how do you know what to do?I've never been through this before. I didn't know what the right answer was. And we were sitting around the table, a dinner table one night and talking about it. And I said, I don't, I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I've got to make a decision. And one of my son said, mom, Would you get new siding on just half the house?And I went alcohol. Good point you're right. Yeah, we'll go for, we'll go for two here. So anyway, so like I was writing, continued to write my, my husband started having stomach issues. And so it was early September that I was diagnosed that I got the phone call and then the end of September, his stomach was hurting.He went to the doctor and they said, take some Rolaids it's because your wife has cancer, you know, whatever. You're just nervous. And then November, he went back again because it wasn't getting any better. And they told him the same thing, gave him [00:21:00] an appointment for a gastro guy. And the day that his appointment was not until January, it took forever to get into somebody.But the next day I was having a complete hysterectomy and so at a colonoscopy. So I was doing a clean-out the day that he went in. So I wasn't going to. Farther than five feet from my bathroom. And so he went by himself and I was the mouth. So I would have asked a hundred questions. He just went and didn't really ask questions and they did nothing.They basically told him the same thing. It's just, you're just nervous. You don't take some, Rolaids take some Tums, whatever. And I was so mad, but I couldn't really do anything about it. When he came home and told me, you know, whatever, and then the next day I had surgery and so week out of surgery and they found bladder cancer too, during my surgery, whatever.But anyways, so I was still healing and I [00:22:00] woke up in the morning. And he was sitting up in bed and did not look good. And he said, guy, my stomach, it kept me up. I just couldn't sleep. And I said, that's it go to the ER, because they'll do something, you know, at least they'll do something. The doctors are doing nothing.At least I'll run a test, they'll do something. So he drove himself to the emergency room. And my husband was a rule follower. So it said no cell phones in the emergency room. So his cell phone was off. So I'm waiting and waiting and waiting for him to call me. And as I'm still in pajamas watching reruns of Grey's anatomy or something, you know?And so he finally, he called and he said, Well, I guess they're going to keep me off or night. And I'm like, keep you overnight. They don't keep anybody overnight. Like, what are you talking about? Keep you overnight. And so I threw on like human clothing and ran out the door. And in my Vicodin ado, state drove like a bat outta [00:23:00] hell, down the highway to get to the hospital to find out what was going on.And shortly before I got there, my phone rang again and he said I guess there's a spot on my liver. I just started bawling. I could barely see to drive and I don't even remember parking. I just remember running in holding body parts because I had surgery after surgery and I was in pain, but I was, I went running through the door and they told me where he was and he was behind a curtain and I whipped back the curtain and he's just sitting on the edge of the bed.Like nothing is going on is I am balling, I'm sobbing. And, and he said I'm not going to invite you places anymore. If this is the way you're going to behave. And I said, wait a minute, you are not allowed to be funny right now. So it took us a couple of days. He spent a few more days in the hospital and they did some biopsies and a colonoscopy.They did whatever. And so it took [00:24:00] a few days for us to get a diagnosis. And I, I was fighting the doctors every step of the way they, they came in and said that his blood work, that they never saw levels like that. There's some, there's some cancer markers that they, they can tell on your, in your blood. And and the doctor came in and said he never saw the numbers like that.Never that high, never that high. And, and I'm like, well, then the lab screwed up re rewrite. When he said, no, no, no mistake with the lab. I said, really, your lab never makes a mistake. They must've made a mistake. You know, they, they act love if you've never seen numbers like this. And he's like, Nope, Nope, whatever.Anyway, I fought it and fought it, but you know, not that my fighting did any good of course, but so then when we got his diagnosis, I was actually back in the hospital again, because I was doing too much, I think, out of surgery and ended up with a bad kidney infection. And so he's [00:25:00] being released as I'm being admitted and it was just a mess.And but then we got his diagnosis and of pancreatic cancer. And that is just the worst kind. I mean, you know, with. Breast cancer has come a long way. You know, there's different kinds of breast cancer, but it sure has come a long way, you know, but pancreatic cancer just hasn't like, there just isn't a cure.And so we knew what that meant. And so we just. Started praying, man, you know, some miracle give us a miracle, like like the lame and the blind and the deaf got, you know, back in Jesus days and or the greatest miracle of heaven, but don't let them suffer was our prayer. And we had a great time together actually. Funny [00:26:00] as that may sound, we watched cash cab every day and we just enjoyed being together and spent the whole time together thinking that he had a year, they were saying probably a year. And six weeks, six weeks later, he all the whole six weeks were, were really pretty good. He, he wasn't in.And our prayer was being answered. And then but the last couple hours of his life, he was miserable. And he I called hospice to come and help with more meds or, you know, whatever to get them comfortable again. And I was holding him. He was sitting on the edge of the bed because it hurt to lay down and I was just holding him from behind.And I just felt his pain, just the agony, absolute agony that he was in at that time. And, and I just whispered in his ear as a baby, just go. And he did. That was it. He took his last [00:27:00] breath and, and that was, that was it. And it was crushing, because I was still in love with him. And after all those years, we were married a month shy of 29 years.That was 47 years old. And I expected to be that couple rocking on the porch, drinking lemonade, you know, too old to do anything else. And we were going to grow old together. And so it was quite a shock loose him because it wasn't just losing him. It was losing the dream of our future. We had just become empty-nesters and we're so looking forward to that, and I don't know why if you get to run around and make it, or I don't know what it is about that, but we were so looking forward to that, and finally it happened for us.And I believe in [00:28:00] an afterlife, I believe in heaven. And my husband was. An amazing guy who was faithful and true and a great friend of people, an incredible boss people who had great respect for him, he was generous and kind. And so I've never begrudged him. I've never like been angry at him for dying.Like I'm happy for him. Like at 51 years old to never pay a bill again, you know, or have to worry about illness or anything. Go him. Like he did it, he ran the race and finished strong and, and I miss him like crazy. If he walks through the door right now, I'd be the happiest person on earth. But I know it's not going to happen.And so I still had to deal with my stuff. You know, I had to deal with, with my cancer still, and I had to deal with life [00:29:00] now without the love of my life. And. Wasn't sure what life was going to bring. And, but I was sure one thing, I was not gonna stay in the grief. I wasn't gonna let that bring me down.I've known people that stay there. You know what I mean? Do you know people like that, that they lose somebody and they just kind of can't overcome it. They, they don't see a way out of it. And I was determined that, that I, I know there were things that happened that I wouldn't choose. I wouldn't choose to have cancer.I wouldn't choose to lose my husband and I wouldn't choose for him to have cancer, but the choices that I can make are how I'm going to live now. And I can choose to be joyful. And I can choose to embrace life and enjoy it and, and I can choose to be happy. And [00:30:00] though, so those are the choices I decided I would make.De'Vannon: Well to answer your question. Yes. I do know people who tend to get stuck in grief particularly over the death of people with. You know, it's perspective and our value system, you know, well, one thing you have in your favor is that you have an understanding of the life to come in the world to come.Usually when people die, they don't actually see still exist, you know, and, and we get people coming back to visit us in dreams and all sorts of stuff who have passed on. And this is evidence of what I'm telling you. You know, our more permanent form is our spirit form anyway. So when we die, we really become our truest selves.At that point, you know, we here on the earth are actually not yet at our highest state of evolution. So when people, and I'm seeing people cry and fall all over the casket at funerals and everything is all very dramatic, you know, what, what, what, what I feel like people really cry [00:31:00] for it. Death is the fact of.Whatever this person brought to their lives. You know, there are people who are crying over what that person can do for them anymore. Whether it's not bringing them, whether they're bringing them some sort of comfort or whatever, you know, oh my God, this person has gone. How am I going to move on? We'll see.That's really all about you. You know, from there, from the dead person's perspective, they're like peace out, you know, hell yeah. You know, I get the rest now. So I don't cry for the dad anymore because I was, I was at the hospital when my pastor died and she was like a mother to me. And that's what changed my perspective on it because she was like, okay, Yep.Yeah. She's 80 years old. She's like Bundy getting my wings. I'm not leaving this hospital, but y'all y'all are then it was just me, her and her husband was sleeping on the couch and I had served them as like their alter bore and assistant throughout high school. And so I w I went to the hospital that night.I wasn't expecting her to die. You know, it was like, okay, she'll get a miracle, you know, really [00:32:00] powerful prophetess, you know, religious woman and everything like that. I'm like, you know, very clever way and everything, you know, she can't die, you know? So she just had me like, call like one of her daughters and, you know, her daughter that lived in Texas. And, you know, and then everything is kind of like when, you know, went from there and then she did die. And I'm like, you know, I heard that last, like some call it like a death, how that lasts like gas. Life, you know, the part from her, but she was so happy. She wasn't regretting anything to you. Like I'm not in any pain.I feel totally great. Life's been great. Bye. Kim: Yeah. De'Vannon: You had like the best attitude ever. So, and then I cried because okay. I was okay. I was just been with somebody, they die. This is a first. And so but now I was like, you know what? She was really happy about this whole death thing. Old, what the fuck am I crying for?Kim: Yeah, [00:33:00] right. I mean, yeah. I, I think you're absolutely, you're hitting the nail on the head. I mean, we do, we, we mourn for ourselves, right. I cried for?them and we, they got it made, you know, we're the ones. In fact, during the time during that six weeks with my husband, there were times I would just start crying because I just couldn't help it.And, you know, try to be all tough for him, whatever. And I just started crying and he just would me and hold me. And he'd say, don't cry for me. Cry for me, cry for you. But don't cry for me. De'Vannon: He told you, right. And he had a good mind. He's like a very wise Sage. And look, I get that kids are going to die and stuff like that. And it really rips my heart apart when, when marriage is in ended because of the death of a child, I've never been in that situation only once in my life have I heard heard it said where a couple lost the kid.And they were like, you know what, we're thankful for the time God gave us what that kid made, the kid [00:34:00] was 17, but, and then they move it on. Not saying it was just that either. I don't know if they went to counseling or whatever, but you know, it's about perspective even in the death of like a kid, you know, that kid belongs to God first, before it does to the, before that he, before that individual does to the parents.And so. You know, we can have a plan for our child, but God might have other plans. And so we gotta be willing to let those plans go, you know, you know, shit, something in, and you know, sometimes we're just too married to how we think someone else's life is supposed to go supposed to end or even our own, you know, but they're there in lies the differences between somebody who has surrender to God and who not, you know, so Kim: Right. De'Vannon: it's easier to deal with the bad things in life.If you understand it all, doesn't have to go in whatever sort of way that you've already processed it in your head. Like it's going to be. And so. You mentioned [00:35:00] that they left your cancer diagnosis on a voicemail. So they left my, my doctors left my HIV diagnosis on a voicemail. It was a Saturday night, new year's Eve and much the same way, like man, really on a Saturday night, new year's Eve, you couldn't have would've fucking waited until like Monday on like on the second, you know,Kim: Oh, my word De'Vannon: So let me say to doctors in medical professions out there, just because we may or may not sign some shit that says you can leave voicemails.We mean, we still need you to exercise some modicum of discretion about what you choose to. It doesn't mean you're just billing everything on there. We like to hear good shit, good test results, appointment reminders. If it's a life altering diagnosis, even though we may have given you permission, just because you can doesn't mean you should.We would very much like you to bring us into the office and tell us if we have HIV cancer or something else, do not leave it on a voicemail and not on a Friday or Saturday night when we're trying to enjoy our [00:36:00] damn wine.Kim: Yeah, new year, happy new year. Oh, my word. I think too, like with the medical profession, like they have to deliver news like that. So often that maybe they just become a little, yeah. A little callous. Right. And so they're not necessarily paying attention to the calendar or time of day or you know how they're doing It but man, if it's something that two days or three days, isn't going to make a difference in your life, you know, health wise wait the two or three days for goodness sake.Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy.De'Vannon: It matters how we deliver bad news to people. And I didn't learn this or know it until I got that voicemail. It just does like the setting, the atmosphere, you know, I never talked to a psychologist, smart doctors bring a person. And even in the case of cancer, I would imagine you want to have the mental health staff.You want to have everybody [00:37:00] right there in the room, so that that person doesn't run out and go do something to hurt themselves. You know, something like that, you know, cause you never know what a per house person might react. And by leaving a voicemail, you Rob with the patient of the luxuries, I'm not even the luxury of the bare minimum necessities of having all the care there or at least set the appointments before they leave.I never talked to a doctor about it again, really. I never went to a, a mental health. I decided that I was going to die. And so then I became homeless and then I started getting arrested and everything. And so, you know, I had the wrong perception of what HIV was, but I wasn't in a doctor's office to get any education.And they told me the word infectious disease. And I was like, fuck, I don't want to go talk to those people. It sounds disgusting. So I was freaked out by the name of everything and I just ran. I ran ran from it.Kim: I, I can't say as I blame you, I mean, you know, HIV is certainly things have [00:38:00] changed a lot over the years, right? As far as medications, treatments and whatever, but there was a time, not that long ago that that was a death sentence. And I would think that's the first thing that's going to come to your mind is, oh my gosh, it.HIV I'm going to die.Is that what you thought? Like, is that what you were thinking?De'Vannon: It did, because at that time in Houston, when I was living in Houston, Texas, I would walk into like a gay bar and be like, Hey, where's Timmy or whatever. And they'd be like, oh, he died. He had aids or another fellow drug dealer of mine die from aids. Someone when I was growing up, when I was younger, died from aids, everyone I knew had died from aids.And so it doesn't matter how far the medication has come and the science has come and how well something can be treated if somebody doesn't know that that is just like, well, they don't know that. So, and so if you, and I didn't know that. And I didn't know anyone living a healthy life that I was good friends with.You know, [00:39:00] I might've talked to at many, met a guy on a hookup app that may have had HIV, but having sex with somebody and being okay that they're HIV positive is not really, they didn't really give me insight into exactly how they were living it. And I pushed that out of my mind because I just wanted Dick.And so I, didn't never, I didn't look at that as an opportunity to explore how one could live healthily with the virus, because I was just horny and trying to fuck, you know, so I let an opportunity pass me by, but you know, I have a different perspective about things now. I want you to you've mentioned that the mammogram was like turning like the breast and into if the pancakes and that it's a painful experience that, you know, a woman isn't probably gonna look forward to.What, what can you, what can you tell me about this machine and what it, what it does, but I'm trying to imagine the sort of torture device that you see.Kim: It's exactly what it is. You you like, you put your arm [00:40:00] up and try to get as close into the machine as you possibly can. And then it literally squishes you from the top and bound me, you know, like turn a knob or something and it goes farther and farther, farther, and it. Wishes you in there. It is painful.And I I don't know if it's better, if you're big busted or small breasted, I don't know what the difference would be. I've always known Ben well, in doubt. And so I, I had a lot to squished and it hurts. I mean, it, it, other women, maybe we're fortunate enough to have different experiences than I did, but any mammogram I ever had her like, crazy, like that was one of the blessings of may having a double mastectomy is I would never have to have another mammogram and I'm okay with that.But cause there's gotta be some silver lining. Right. But yeah, it just, it just goes squishes. Yeah. And yeah, that hurts. [00:41:00]De'Vannon: Damn. I wish I wish I thought you were telling me like what the blood work that they can detect, you know, there's cancer markers, but I wish that y'all could just get blood work done instead, but clearly that's not the case. Otherwise they wouldn't be making you go through the mammogram. So gosh, girls, I, I have the utmost respect for women, you know, from the, from having studied the the period, the menstrual cycles during the massage therapy, which.I'm telling you become a massage therapist, you have to learn so much, so much about the anatomy, things that in the body you'll never touch. And so just learning about how y'all's bodies change when you're trying to bear a child and everything like that and everything that's going on, you know, in the different, or, or Oregon's in the different anatomical structure of a female, you know, I have so much respect for women.You know, y'all are, y'all are strong, you know, mentally and physically and everything like [00:42:00]that. And in my opinion, quite unbreakable.Kim: Ah, I love that. I agree. I think women, we have to be strong and I think we need to support each other more than what we do sometimes. Like there should be a sisterhood, you know, like we should be supportive of each other and, and aren't always, you know, we can be, sometimes we can be the worst enemies and it shouldn't be like that.Like, There should be this strong bond between us. Cause we, we do have to put up with a lot. So then what happens is we put up with a sense from the time we were 10, 11, 12 years old, right. We have to deal with, with periods and cramps and pain. And then childbirth is no joyful moment. You know, it's nice.You get a baby at the end, but but it's hard, you know, and painful and pregnancy can be tough and all of that. And so then later in life, when men, you have to get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom more often because of [00:43:00] prostate issues, it's sort of payback in a way. It's like, oh, the one thing that the money I have to deal with kind of my, yeah, De'Vannon: Well boys, boys with better mind what energy we send out there, because it's going to come back to us later on. Kim: that's right. De'Vannon: So I played women, great respect. I identify more women than I do men, nothing against men. I mean, I like to go both ways and all the different ways that I can in the world sexually speaking, and, you know, spiritually speaking and energetically speaking for them to feel like a man to another, feel like a woman I'm not confused.I just want it all. AndKim: know, you know, the beauty of that is that I really believe that God created people to be who they are. And there are so many people out there that don't feel like they can live their authentic self, their real self, right. Because of things that they were taught growing up, or a lot of times churches doing so.much damage to [00:44:00] people saying, oh gosh, you can't be like that.Like my daughter had probably, I don't know if I should be saying this on the radio, but it's okay. But my daughter married a man. And she got pregnant on her honeymoon and when she was in the hospital delivering. He told her he was gay and wanted out of the marriage. And, but he grew up in the super strict Baptist home where you're not allowed to be gay.You know that that's a sin. Well, not all that creates you. How God creates you. You be who you are. Like there's beauty in that there's beauty in the diversity, right? People should just be allowed to be who they are without judgment or condemnation. Just be who God created you to be. De'Vannon: Fuck. When I was in California, I went through this phase where I was trying to pray the gay away, and there is a documentary and I I've been keeping this in my show notes for. Shit since it came out. So it's been a running thing [00:45:00] that I've had in my show notes for quite some time, it's called pray away.There's a documentary on Netflix about the old exited Exodus conversion therapy movement. The people who used to run that who supposedly got converted and were ungay and told everybody else has changed their ways, which resulted in suicides and deaths. Well, now they're still gay and they've come back to spill all the tea about the Exodus movement and how bullshit conversion therapy really.And so I do recommend that, that, that fucking documentary to everybody, it is some tea being spill, pour your wine, get your favorite beverage out, roll you up a blunt, whatever it is that you do, because that shit is to piss you off. But it's real. But I went through that too. I got me a girlfriend. I hung out with straight guys. I tried to fast and pray as Jesus to make me ungay and it didn't work. And I dated this girl for six months and ultimately I ended up just breaking her heart because the shit wasn't real, you know? And so where did I ever learn that something was wrong with me from the church? You know, God never [00:46:00] told me that, you know, it, look, y'all not every preacher is preaching.The truth is that we've got to get past this believing this, that somebody is on a pool pit or on television or in a suit up on a platform like they know better than, than, than you do. They don't Kim: Right. Exactly. Yeah. That, that, and and that is not the church, you know, it's churches that hurt people. God's not hurting. Right. And so sometimes people get angry about what they've been taught in church, and then they realize that they've been taught wrong, or the church that they went to can be so harsh or, you know, whatever.And that's church's fault. You know, that that unfortunately reflects on God in some people's eyes, but it's not God that God loves that is love. That's what it says in John, that God is love. Not that he loves, but that he is loved. Like in love, love, doesn't do that. Love. Doesn't [00:47:00] make people fit into some box because people are more comfortable with it loved to let you be who you are love.Just allows you to live your real self and without judgment, without thinking that you're better than, or higher than, or no more or whatever. De'Vannon: I agree with what you're saying, Kim, it, and it will take some time for people to accept that sort of truth and then internalize it, you know, because we're, we believe what we are taught growing up until we come into independent thinking. That's why I appreciate the mindfulness movement that's happening right now.And the, the push for autonomous mental thought. When I got kicked out of Lakewood church in Houston, Texas for not being straight, it caused a rift between me and God. Now I hadn't been in church. And like I said, serving my past and all of that until I was in high school and went to the military, I always held a volunteer position in church.They kicked me out and that [00:48:00] stopped me from praying is a, why did that happen? Because I had conflated. The God in the church as to one. And no, that was not, I was not as mature as I thought I was. And I was not as spiritually strong as I thought I was because had that happened. I should've just said, okay, well fuck this church, but not fuck the God.And I just said, fuck everything you see. And so, but now I would never do that because now I finally get, as I'm almost 40 years old, you know, that there's a difference in between the physical church and God himself. And the two should never church, as I say, a church is nothing more than an accessory to your spiritual walk, your most valuable time to be your alone time with God, so that when these pastors show up in their fucking scandals and when they do dumb shit, like kick us out for not being straight and the, in the straight people see them, see their friends getting abused by churches for not being straight.You know, we can still keep our relationship with God. So Jerry [00:49:00] Falwell, Jr. Did you see his latest bullshit? You know, after all of his shit, he finally came out in an article and said that he, that it was all a ruse, him running the that fucking seminary that his dad created and trying to do all that.He said, it's all a lie. He wasn't ever about all that. He wants to just, you know, do him. And that is not who he is. He ain't about all this Jesus stuff. So finally just fucking admitted it, bitch. Should we knew that because you know, when he had to address the pool boy scandal, you got, you got the pool boys running around and you got your, your pants unzip.And while you taking selfies with a bitch, that's not your fucking wife. We knew. So that whole message was to his brain fucked church followers and his evangelicals and everything like that. Like boy, and by we already knew.Kim: Yeah.but knowing, and then somebody admitting meeting two things, right? Like it can be hard when you're, when you're in the [00:50:00] spotlight and, you know, I think it can be easy for people to get wrapped up in ego. And I mean, how many people we've seen fall and it, and it can, the higher you build your pedestal the longer the fall is down.And it's sad to see. It's sad to see for sure. De'Vannon: His pedestal was fake though. But what you said is what he said. He was like, it was so much pressure to live up to this expectation of his dad, but you know, or he could have said, you know what, dad, fuck you. This is not who I am. I'm going to go have my pants up and on cruise ships and fucking pool boys.That's what I want to do. Okay. That's what you want to do, Jerry. Then go have your three ways and bring whatever, you know, we always have a choice. And so the let's make sure our pedestal is built on truth and not on a lie.Kim: Yeah, for sure. For sure. De'Vannon: So, [00:51:00] so, so we're going to close to the end of our hour here. We're definitely going to have you back on because you wrote two books one's called love is, and the other one's called cry and tell you lab. And we haven't had time to get into them at a feeling this would happen because you have so much substance going on with you.And sometimes I might have to have someone back on my show two or three or four times or whatever the case may be. And if that's the case, you know what, so be it then. But I want to talk about Haiti a little bit because God bless that nation. You know, they've been through so much. And I really want to shine a spotlight on, on Haitian people.I really, really do. And it seems like you have a strong heart for Haiti, and I love how then I was reading your book. You went there for the first time in the year 2000, and you were like talking about the poverty and the, the, the, the rank air and everything. And you it's like, you were fighting, falling in love with it, but nevertheless, here you are.And you're still in love with it. Sometimes in life. I've had that experience where my [00:52:00] first brush with something I'm like, I feel indifferent for it, or like I'm propelled by it. And really at the end of the day, I was falling in love with it. And I was like some of my favorite things, things that I hated at first, I find love now more than anything else.And I read that in the story. So the hate has been through so much. And when they had that last earthquake, a relative in my family said some stupid fucking shit like this. He was like, okay, just because of all that witchcraft they have down there, this is why this punishment has come upon them. And which I responded to his ignorance just a little bit.I was like, I'd probably say, it's something like, if you're not going to pray about them or speak something positive, then shut the fuck up because you don't know what the fuck they're doing. You know, he's never been Haiti. You know, he doesn't have, he's drawing all these conclusions from a distance yet.We'll speak about it as if it's fact. And so that shit pisses me off. And so [00:53:00] you've lived among the people. And so you have every right to have written the things that you have written. So I want you totell, to speak to me about your joy and your love for Haiti. And then I want to talk about the voodoo before we, before we wrap up, and then we're going to talk about the book in depth. The next time I have you back on and we're in really, really, really talk about Haiti alive.Kim: Yeah, I do. I love, I love Haiti. You know, people are people all over the world and we tend to put labels on people, right? Republican, Democrat, Bexar anti-vaxxer Haitia and America, and, you know, whatever, we, we put labels on people, but people aren't, their labels. You know, a person is not a label that we all have our names.We're all individuals. We all have our names and people are people all over the world. Haitian. [00:54:00] People, unfortunately, that are living in Haiti. You know, it's the poorest country in the Western hemisphere. The average Haitian eats three meals a week. Most do not have clean water. So they've got water that makes them sick.They had an earthquake in 2010 that killed over 200,000 people. And then the UN police that are there are supposed to be peacekeepers there. They end up putting their latrines way too close to the river, which is a source of water for people. They bathe in it, they wash their clothes in it, like it it's life to them.And because their latrines were too close, they introduced cholera into the country, Colorado that had, hadn't been in the country for a hundred years now, cholera's back in Haley and lots of people, thousands of people have died because of cholera because of the UN police. And it's it's. It is it's kind of thing after thinking of, to saying.Haiti is wonderful, wonderful, [00:55:00] incredible, loving people that are living in really tough conditions is really what it comes down to. And I think there's a misconception, like in some people's minds, poverty and laziness go together and poverty and laziness have nothing to do with each other. There, they shouldn't even be in the same sentence.What, what people in Haiti lack is opportunity. There are no jobs. We've done so much damage to Haiti. The world bank has done a lot of damage to Haiti. Other countries have done the understand Haiti because people make money on poverty. And so it's two people in this world's advantage financially, take heap people down and keep them living in poverty, which is. The biggest crime of all probably. Right. And so it's not a lack of intelligence. It's not a lack of [00:56:00] work ethic. It's that keeps them in poverty. It is it is lack of opportunity. It is lack of opportunity. I don't know, a lazy Haitian I'm sure. You know, like anything else there's going to be lazy people, but I don't know any people that I know work hard and, and take opportunities to work when, when the opportunity is there.It's just not always, there is the problem. And voodoo, I think is so misunderstood. You know, w we, if we break a mirror at seven years of bad luck, or, you know, a black cat crosses your path or Friday the 13th, or don't walk under a ladder, like we have our own superstitions. Right. And they're just sort of cultural superstitions within our country.And We have movies based on our cultural superstitions. Well, voodoo there's cultural voodoo. It's not all just on a [00:57:00] religious voodoo there's cultural voodoo. And so some of the beliefs, some of the, you know, things like if you pick up a baby from behind that baby is not going to grow to haul, you know, some things like that, that we'd go, what are they talking about? Well, they go, what are you talking about? You can't walk under a ladder, right? You can open an umbrella inside. You know, I mean, each culture probably has their own set of those kinds of things, but people love Jesus and have voodoo in their life at the same time. And one does not have to exclude the other because voodoo, I think people think of zombies or they think of, of animal sacrifice or human sacrifice, whole.Buddha is so much more than that. There are so few doctors and so little healthcare in the entire country that there are Buddha doctors and you don't just become one. You know, your dad was one. So your one, your grandpa, your great grandpa, and it [00:58:00] is herbal remedies and different ways to handle health issues.That's what a voodoo doctor does. It's not about curses and whatever. It's about, you know, they're in a community, there's no healthcare anywhere that you can walk to that you can get to at all. So there's a doctor basically in the community and there are some I'm sure, very valuable things we could probably learn from them with natural remedies. like you were talking about Blackwood for sure earlier, right? And that's Buddha, they're a voodoo doctor, but they're not. Skin and animals, you know what I mean? It's, there is some of that, certainly some extreme voodoo like there's extreme, anything else. But I would say, I mean, I don't know the statistic, but I know a whole lot of people in Haiti and people that I know it's they're culturally, there's voodoo, but they're not sacrificing [00:59:00] anything.They're not, you know, some of the stuff you see in movies or read in books or whatever, that's not happening. They're just people living like we're living in and it's part of their culture.De'Vannon: Well, like you said, there's two sides to everything. You have the extreme size of it and the bad side of it. When I have you go on the next time, we're going to get more into the vote. And I'm going to talk about the experience that I had when I was in high school, where somebody practiced the negative side of voodoo on me.Kim: Oh, I can't wait to hear about it. De'Vannon: And because they're both, they're both the true, you know, you have a, and then, you know, I have a couple of voodoo stories that I live here in Louisiana and voodoo is a big thing, voodoo who do whatever you want to call it, especially down in new Orleans, you know, it's serious. We, we actually still have a place called Marie.Lavos a house of voodoo, which I think is the house she used to live in. And it was soon turned into like a [01:00:00] store in her honor. You can go there and buy candles and voodoo dolls and different sort of magic accessories to do your magic craft with and stuff like that. And I love American horror story.Season three is about the a, which is the new Orleans. And and there Angela Bassett plays Marie Laveau in in, in American horror story coven is what it's called. And it's just very, it's very entertaining as the kick ass, the way that they portrayed her. But you mentioned two, two things that I wanted to touch on, and then I will let you have our last word. You mentioned that poverty and laziness, you know, you're not overly fond of those two things being coupled together. I wanted to give you a nod on that because the same, the same dumb ass relative who was talking shit about the Haitian people after they suffered the tragedy of the second earthquake than a reason of relatively short amount of time. We were driving around one day and somebody was like [01:01:00] homeless and he was all like, oh, I know they just go somewhere. And like in a program, you know, like fix that or whatever. Okay. And I think at this point I had already been homeless before that he said this stupid shit in my presence. And so I agree with you.It's not about laziness. It's about access opportunity. And then I'm going to add to that and say, state of mind, having lived amongst the homeless people and not everybody wants to become homeless, that everybody out there is unhappy. You have people living in mansions who go and fucking kill themselves or other people in the house.You know, there, there could be chaos, you know, in the richest places, but somebody out there shit. When I was in California to see the homeless people, sleeping, sleeping under the Palm trees in Cal, in Santa Monica, you know, They look fine, you know, just because we see somebody and what we consider to be the greatest state doesn't mean that they consider themselves to be in a degraded state of that they're unhappy, or that we need to go run, trying to fix them, or that there's anything [01:02:00]wrong with them being like that.And so, but it's not just because they're lazy or they don't want to work. Maybe they've had everything before they are. They don't want the pressures that come with having a successful life. Maybe they just fucking don't want anyone calling them. They don't fucking want any appointments. They don't want any meetings.They just want to round the street, get high, fuck and just go to fucking sleep.Kim: So funny that you say that I live, I live not in a huge city. It's the second biggest city in Michigan grand rapids. And there are home. We have homeless and I know a lot of them, I live right downtown. I know a lot of them by name and I know people that are afraid of homeless people. And it's like, when was the

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Struggle Berry Crunch welcomes special guest,  Kandi Turner!  In this episode, Kandi joins me to talk about her struggles as a black woman, how she is inspiring her community through her business, Black Licorice, and what Black History Month means to her. Let's be real,  Black History Month is  only for 28 days, so  let's cheer loud and proud!  Throughout this episode, Kandi shares perspectives, personal stories, and hopes to inspire the black community. Originally from Cleveland, Ohio, Kandi Turner is a  making an impact with her business, Black Licorice. Now living in Arizona, with a BA in Film and Media, her dream is to bring the “black experience” to the big screen and encourage authentic black representation and connection through her business. Follow Kandi: Instagram: @shopblacklicorice www.shopblacklicorice.com DISCLAIMER:This podcast , the host, and the guests have different thoughts, opinions, views, and experiences and respect and acknowledge other individuals thoughts, opinions, views, and/or experiences.This podcast and the host always encourages listeners and individuals to respect  each other while respectfully agreeing and/or disagreeing with any individuals thoughts, opinions, views, and/or experiences.====================================================Hey! If you  are enjoying the podcast and have a struggle to share, please contact struggleberrycrunch@gmail.com or @struggleberrycrunch on Instagram. If your email is selected, I will uplift and encourage you on an upcoming bonus clip or episode!***This audio clip is meant to be listened to for enjoyment and encouragement. These messages/words are from my own personal experiences and should be taken as a perspective and should NOT be replaced with licensed professional help. @struggleberrycrunch

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Puffy serves a 5 minute suspension to start the pod, which provides the perfect opportunity for Jimmy to tear into him.   Once we get going James reveals the inspiration behind the first song he ever wrote, Lester shares an embarrassing Halloween story, and Puffy learns that Black Licorice is more dangerous than cocaine.  We chat candy, monkeys, scorn lovers, and reveal our Battle Of The Network Stars match up. PLUS: Things I Saw On Twitter, Betsafe Breaking News and Rubber Boots Reacts! R.I.P. Taffy #DeadlyLicorice #Monkey #Goldfish #HalloweenCandy #ScornedLover #MaggieTheMonkey

As a kid, there were always a couple of holidays that you looked forward to. If one of those holidays did not involve getting presents, but instead candy, chances are it was near the end of October! In this episode, join Jay and Tony as they explore the wonders of growing up in the 1980s with stories all about Halloween! Your favorite xennials remember stories of their favorite times trick or treating and costumes that they may or may not have worn. The guys also rate the candy they love and what treats always remain at the bottom of their bowls. Plus, as a special snack they discuss their top 80s horror movies and unpack the full story of a younger sibling that was so spooked of a movie that they refused to watch it for over 20 years! Turn on the porch light, bust out the Snickers & Butterfingers, fire up a scary movie...and remember to share because "we're friends till the end, remember?" ___________________________ IG: https://www.instagram.com/camefromthe80s/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/CameFromThe80s Email: camefromthe80s@gmail.com   

In this episode Aaron and Jessie revieweth "Where Pleasant Fountains Lie" this showeth has't all, evil computers, Ren faire runneth space ships and Star Trek legend Jeff'ry Combs! So, grabeth a torch and thy most wondrous medieval garb and joineth us on the adventure! And we promise they do not talk like this in the episode. You can find us on Social Media at: Aaron Harvey - @geekfilter Jessie Gender @JessieGender Trek Geeks @TrekGeeks

Can we paint a scenario for you? It's Halloween night. You're with your friends in your favorite costume- candy bucket in hand, excitement in your heart, and glee in your eyes at the sweet delights you're about to consume. You hit your first house and you get your favorite candy. Same thing happens at the next house. And the next. You're biting at the bit for what's next. You get to your fourth house, still excited and hopeful for the savory treats that await your bucket which is already overflowing with goodness. You hold your bucket out, only for it to be filled with black licorice. You feel offended. You're filled with rage. You feel nothing but disdain and disrespect toward the individual who tainted your bucket with the foul piece of "candy". You are crying and asking God why this abomination was created in the first part. Halloween night is ruined because of this one blasphemous piece of candy. Maybe all of this is an exaggeration, but we had a similar experience like this with Costume Quest 2. Nonetheless, we still have some other treats in store- including Tyler judging Dylan, Justin, and Marcus' game submissions with their usual goofs! Editor's Note: We apologize for the echoing in the audio itself. This didn't appear in the editing phase of the episode but somehow did in post-production.

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TEXT US AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK!On this, the 36th episode of the The Darwin Awards podcast, we discuss some of the awe-inspiring ways that people have recently eliminated themselves from the gene pool. These include a couple who had a tough time steering their pedal boat, a man climbing into his ex-gf's hotel room window, a man addicted to black licorice, and a train vs tractor accident If you enjoy the episode, CLICK BELOW AND JOIN US ON OUR PATREON for more content! https://www.patreon.com/thedarwinawardspodcastOur website: thedarwinawardspodcast.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thedarwinawardspodcast/Watch this episode on our youtube channel!: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtchcnCiY1yPnehGvoqGxhw?view_as=subscriber If you have a submission for the coming week's episode, email us at thedarwinawardspodcast@gmail.comSupport the show