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Local crooner Rance Brady joins Taya Jae for her final in-studio Talkin' Music. They discuss Rance's musical upbringing, his song writing style and the support he's experienced from the NFV community!

Dive into the dynamic world of telecom with insights from Telecom Trends 2025: Top 7 Challenges and Opportunities. This episode covers key trends that are transforming the industry, including the rise of 5G and 6G, sustainability efforts, AI-driven solutions, and new players like hyperscalers and satellite companies. We'll also tackle cybersecurity risks, digital equity, and the exciting new applications these advancements make possible. Whether you're a tech enthusiast or just curious about the future, this episode offers a comprehensive look at what's next for telecom.What You'll Learn in This Episode:The Rise of 5G and the Promise of 6G:5G's rapid adoption, projected to reach 8 billion connections by 2028.How 6G could bring smart grids, immersive realities, and high-fidelity holograms to life.Balancing lightning-fast speeds with sustainable energy consumption.Sustainability in Telecom:Efforts to transition to renewable energy and phase out power-intensive networks.How enabling remote work reduces emissions and promotes green initiatives.Cybersecurity Challenges:Growing threats as more devices and critical infrastructure connect.How the "zero trust" model and AI-powered tools are bolstering defenses.The Role of New Players:Hyperscalers like Google and Amazon entering the telecom space.Satellite companies like Starlink driving growth in connectivity and accessibility.Digital Equity and Bridging the Divide:Addressing infrastructure gaps and affordability barriers to ensure universal connectivity.Partnerships between telecom companies, governments, and non-profits to expand broadband access.AI, SDN, NFV, and Edge Computing:How these technologies are creating more flexible, efficient, and responsive networks.Applications in self-driving cars, remote healthcare, and immersive gaming.Transformative Consumer Experiences:AI-powered chatbots, personalized plans, and immersive entertainment like AR and VR.The importance of transparency and trust in protecting consumer data.Resources Mentioned: Telecom Trends 2025 – Full article with detailed insights.Ready to explore the future of telecom? Subscribe to our podcast for more episodes, and visit The Future of Commerce for the latest articles and resources. Let's build a more connected, sustainable, and innovative future together.

As I have always told our guests, our time together is a conversation, not an interview. This was never truer than with our guest this time, Andrew Leland. Andrew grew up with what most people would call a pretty normal childhood. However, as he discovered he was encountering night blindness that gradually grew worse. Back in the 1980s and early 90s, he was not getting much support for determining what was happening with his eyes. He did his own research and decided that he was experiencing retinitis pigmentosa, a degenerative eye disease that first affects peripheral vision and eventually leads to total blindness. I won't spend time discussing Andrew's journey toward how finally doctors verified his personal diagnosis.   Andrew was and is an incredible researcher and thinker. He comes by it naturally. In addition, he is quite a writer and has had material published by The New York Times Magazine, The New Yorker, McSweeney's Quarterly, and The San Francisco Chronicle, among other outlets. He comes by his talents honestly through family members who have been screenwriters and playwrights. Example? His grandfather was Marvin Neal Simon, better known to all of us as Neal Simon.   This year Andrew's first book was published. It is entitled, The Country of the Blind: A Memoir at the End of Sight. I urge you to get and read it.   Our conversation goes into detail about blindness in so many different ways. I am sure you will find that your own views of blindness will probably change as you hear our discussion. Andrew has already agreed to come on again so we can continue our discussions. I hope you enjoy our time together.     About the Guest:   Andrew Leland's first book is The Country of the Blind: A Memoir at the End of Sight. His_ writing has appeared in _The New York Times Magazine, The New Yorker, McSweeney's Quarterly, and The San Francisco Chronicle, among other outlets. From 2013-2019, he hosted and produced The Organist, an arts and culture podcast, for KCRW; he has also produced pieces for Radiolab and 99 Percent Invisible. He has been an editor at The Believer since 2003. He lives in western Massachusetts with his wife and son.     Ways to connect with Andrew:   Website: https://www.andrewleland.org/   About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.   Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards.   https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/   accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/       Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below!   Subscribe to the podcast If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can also subscribe in your favorite podcast app.   Leave us an Apple Podcasts review Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts.     Transcription Notes    Michael Hingson ** 00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i  capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.     Michael Hingson ** 01:21 Welcome to another episode of unstoppable mindset where inclusion diversity in the unexpected meet. And we're gonna get to have a little bit of all of that today. I get to interview someone who I've talked to a couple of times and met a couple of months ago for the first time, I think the first time at a meeting, Andrew Leland is the author of the country of the blind. And he will tell us about that. And we will have lots of fun things to talk about. I am sure he's been a podcaster. He's an author. Needless to say, he's written things. And I don't know what else we'll see what other kinds of secrets we can uncover. Fair warning, right. So Andrew, welcome to unstoppable mindset.   Andrew Leland ** 02:01 Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. I'm happy to be here.   Michael Hingson ** 02:04 Well, I really appreciate you coming. Why don't you start by telling us a little about kind of the early Andrew growing up in some of that kind of stuff? Oh, sure. A lot of times go in a galaxy far, far away. Yeah. Right.   Andrew Leland ** 02:18 planet called the Los Angeles. I was born in LA. Yeah. And my parents moved to New York pretty quickly. And they split when I was two. So for most of my childhood, I was kind of bouncing in between, I live with my mom. But then I would go visit my dad on holidays. And my mom moved around a lot. So we were in New York, just outside the city. And then we moved to Toronto for two years, and then back to New York, and then to Santa Fe, New Mexico, and then to California, Southern California. So I lived a lot of places. And that was all before college. And yeah, what can I tell you about young Andrew, I, you know, I always was interested in writing and reading. And I come from a family of writers. My mom is a screenwriter, my grandfather was a playwright. My aunt is a novelist. And so and my dad, you know, remember when I was a kid, he had a column for videography magazine, and has always been super interested in digital technology, you know, from the earliest days of desktop publishing. And he worked for, like early days of USA Network, you know, so like this kind of shared interest that I inherited from my parents of, you know, creativity and media, I guess was one way you could put it, you know, storytelling and sort of like playing around with electronic media. And, you know, I grew up I was born in 1980. So by the time I was an adolescent, the internet was just starting to reach its tendrils into our lives. And I remember my dad bought me a modem. And when I was like, I don't know 14 or something. And I was definitely one of the first kids in my class to have a modem and you know, messing around on message boards and stuff. So that was very influential for me. You know, when it was around that time that I started to notice that I had night blindness, and I kind of diagnosed myself with retinitis pigmentosa on that early web, you know, before the days of WebMD or anything like that, but it just there didn't seem to be a lot of causes for adolescent night blindness. And so I kind of figured it out and then sort of just compartmentalized it like kick that information to the side somewhere dusty corner of my brain and just went about my life and then it wasn't until later my teenage years I'd already done a year in college I think in Ohio where I said you know what, this is getting a little more intrusive and then I've that my mom finally booked me an appointment at a at a real deal, you know, medical retinal Research Center and at UCLA. And then, you know, an actual retinal specialist said, Yep, you've got retina is pigmentosa. You'll you Will, you know, maintain decent vision into middle age and then it'll fall off a cliff. Once again, I just carried that information around for, you know, the next 20 years or so. And I'm 4040 How old am I? Mike? 22 years old? Right? Well, I actually I'm a December baby. So we gotta go, Okay, you got a couple of months to go a 42 year old medicine me. You know, and at this point in my life, you know, I had the, you know, I read about all this in the book, but I have a feeling that, like that part of his diagnosis way back when is coming true, you know, and I feel like, okay, it's all finally happening, and like, it's happening more quickly, but then my current doctor is kind of careful to reassure me that that's not actually happening. And that RP, you know, their understanding of it has evolved since then. And there's like, you know, different genetic profiles, and that, in fact, maybe I might have some residual useful vision for many years to come. But one of the things that I really wrestled with, both in the book and just in my life is the question of, you know, how much to claim to that site and how useful that site really is. And, and, and trying to figure out what, what it means to be blind, if I'm blind, you know, certainly legally blind, you know, I've half got about five or six degrees of, of central vision. You know, and so, so, so my so So, I've left your question behind at this point. But I wrote, I wrote this book, in some ways to answer that question of, like, where I, where I fit into this world of blindness? And am I an outsider, or am I an insider? like at what point do I get to be part of the club and all those really tricky questions that were really bothering me as a person, I got to kind of explore in the form of a book.   Michael Hingson ** 06:52 The interesting thing about what you said in the book, however, concerning Are you an outsider or an insider, Am I blind? Or am I not? is, of course a question that everyone wrestles with. And I personally like the Jernigan definition, have you ever read his article, a definition of blindness?   Andrew Leland ** 07:11 Oh, maybe tell me what he says. So what he says   Michael Hingson ** 07:15 is that you should consider yourself blind from a functional standpoint, when your eyesight decreases to the point where you have to use alternatives to vision to be able to perform tasks. Now, having said that, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't use the residual vision that you have. But what you should do is learn blindness techniques, and learn to psychologically accept that from a blindness standpoint, or from a from a functional standpoint, you are blind, but you do also have eyesight, then there's no reason not to use that. But you still can consider yourself a blind person, because you are using alternatives to eyesight in order to function and do things.   Andrew Leland ** 08:00 Yeah, no, I have heard that from the NFB I didn't realize its source was Jernigan. But I really aspire to live my life that way. You know, I think it's, there are some days when it's easier than others. But, you know, I'm here, learning, you know, practicing Braille, using my white cane every day, you know, like learning jaws and trying to try to keep my screen reader on my phone as much as possible. And it's funny how it becomes almost like a moral mind game that I play with myself where I'm like, okay, like, Wow, it's so much easier to use my phone with a screen reader. Like, why don't I just leave it on all the time, but then inevitably, I get to like a inaccessible website, or like, I'm trying to write and write a text message. And I'm like, Oh, am I really going to like use the rotor to like, go back up, you know, to these words, and so then I turn it back off, and then I leave it off. And I'm just like, constantly messing with my own head and this way, and I've heard from, from folks with ARPI, who are more blind than I am, who have less vision. And there is the sense that like, one relief of even though it's, you know, incontrovertibly, incontrovertibly inconvenient to have less vision, right? Like there's there's certain affordances that vision gives you that shouldn't make life easier. But But one thing that I've heard from these folks is that, you know, that kind of constant obsessing and agonizing over like, how much vision do I have? How much vision am I going to have tomorrow? How am I going to do this, with this much vision versus that much vision? Like when that goes away? It is a bit of a relief I've heard.   Michael Hingson ** 09:28 Yeah, I mean, if it ultimately comes down to you can obsess over it, you can stress about it. What can I do if I lose this extra vision or not? Is is a question but the other side of it is why assume that just because you lose vision, you can't do X or Y. And that's the thing that I think so many people tend to not really deal with. I believe that we have totally an inconsistent and wrong definition of disability. Anyway, I believe that everyone on the planet has a disability. And for most people, the disability is like dependents. And my case from then my way from making that is look at what Thomas Edison did in 1878. He invented the electric light bulb, which allowed people to have light on demand. So they could function in the dark, because they couldn't really function in the dark until they had light on demand, or unless they had a burning stick or something that gave us light. But the reality is, they still had a disability. And no matter how much today we offer light on demand, and light on demand is a fine thing. No, no problem with it. But recognize that still, without that light on demand, if a if a power failure happens or something and the lights go out, sighted people are at least in a world of hurt until they get another source for light on demand. Mm hmm. I was I was invited to actually Kelly and Ryan's Oscar after party to be in the audience this year. So we went to the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel, which is fun. I used to go there for NFB of California conventions, a great hotel, man. So we got there about three o'clock on Thursday, on Saturday afternoon, and it was my niece and nephew and I and we were all there. And we just dropped our luggage off. And we're going downstairs when suddenly I heard screaming, and I asked my niece, what's going on. And she said, there's been a power failure in and around the hotel. And I'd love to try to spread the rumor that it was all Jimmy Kimmel trying to get attention. But no one's bought that. But but the but the point is that suddenly people didn't know what to do. And I said, doesn't seem like a problem to me. And you know, it's all a matter of perspective. But we really have to get to this idea that it doesn't matter whether you can see or not. And you pointed out very well, in your book that blindness is not nearly so much the issue psychologically, as is our attitude about blindness? Absolutely.   Andrew Leland ** 11:58 Yeah, I remember I interviewed Mark Riccobono, the current president of the National Federation of the Blind, and he made a very similar point, when we were talking about the nature of accommodations, which is something that I still I'm thinking a lot about is I think it's a very tricky idea. And a very important idea, which I think your your your idea of light dependency gets at, you know, in America, Bono's point was, you know, look, we have the the BR headquarters here in Baltimore, and we pay a pretty hefty electricity bill, to keep the lights on every month, and that, you know, the blind folks who work there, it's not for them, right? It's for all the sighted people who come and visit or work at the at the center. And in some ways, that's a reasonable accommodation, that the NFB is making for the sighted people that they want to be inclusive of right. And so that just even that idea of like, what is a reasonable accommodation? I think you're right, that we think of it as like the poor, unfortunate disabled people who need to be brought back to some kind of norm that's at the center. And there's the kind of reframing that you're doing when you talk about light dependency or that Riccobono is doing when he talks about, you know, his electricity bill, you know, it kind of gives the lie to puts the lie to that, that idea that, that the norm takes precedence. And the reality is that, you know, that we all need accommodations, like you say, and so what's reasonable, is really based on what, what humans deserve, which is which is to be included, and to be, you know, to have access equal access, that   Michael Hingson ** 13:38 ought to be the norm. Jacobus timbre wrote a speech called the pros and cons of preferential treatment that was then paired down to a shorter article called a preference for equality. And I haven't, I've been trying to find it, it's at the NFB center, but it isn't as readily available as I would like to see it. And he talks about what equality is, and he said, equality isn't that you do things exactly the same way it is that you have access and with whatever way you need to the same information. So you can't just say, Okay, well, here's a printed textbook, blind persons that's equal under the law, it's not. And he talks about the fact that we all really should be seeking equality and looking for what will give people an equal opportunity in the world. And that's really the issue that we so often just don't face, like we should. The fact of the matter is, it's a part of the cost of business, in general to provide electricity and lights. It's a part of the cost of business to provide for companies a coffee machine, although it's usually a touchscreen machine, but it's there. It's a cost of doing business to provide desks and computers with monitors and so on. But no one views provide Seeing a screen reader as part of the cost of business and nobody views providing a refreshable Braille display or other tools that might give me an equal opportunity to be a part of society, we don't view those as part of the cost of doing business, which we should, because that's what inclusion is really all about. You know, we don't, we don't deal with the fact or sometimes we do that some people are a whole lot shorter than others. And so we provide ladders or step stools, or whatever. But we don't provide cost of doing business concepts to a lot of the tools that say, I might need or you might need. Yeah,   Andrew Leland ** 15:37 yeah, it's one thing that I've been thinking about lately is, is really even just the challenge of understanding what those accommodations are. Because, you know, I think I think, practically speaking in the world, you know, you'll, you'll call up a blind person and say, What do you need, you know, like, we're trying to make this art exhibit or this, you know, business or this, you know, HR software accessible, what do you need, you know, and that one blind person might be like, well, I use NVDA, you know, or that one blind person might be low vision, right. And they might be like, I use a screen magnifier. And it's so difficult to understand, like, what the accommodations are, that would be, that would be adequate to cover, like a reasonable sample. And so just like, it's just so much more complicated than it originally seems, you know, when you have a really well meaning person saying, like, we really value diversity, equity and inclusion and accessibility. And but then like, the distance between that well meeting gesture, and then actually pulling off something that's fully accessible to a wide swath of the whatever the users are, is just, it's just unfair, quickly, huge. So that's something that I'm thinking about a lot lately is like how to how do you approach that problem?   Michael Hingson ** 16:46 Well, and I think, though, the at least as far as I can tell, I think about it a lot, as well, as I think any of us should. The fact is that one solution doesn't fit everyone, I'm sure that there are people, although I'm sure it's a minority, but there are people who don't like fluorescent lights as well as incandescent lights, and neither of them like other kinds of lighting as compared to whatever. And then you have people epilepsy, epilepsy who can't deal as well, with blinking lights are blinking elements on a webpage, there's there isn't ever going to be least as near as I can tell, one size that truly fits all, until we all become perfect in our bodies. And that's got a ways to go. So the reality is, I don't think there is one solution that fits everyone. And I think that you, you pointed it out, the best thing to do is to keep an open mind and say, Yeah, I want to hire a person who's qualified. And if that person is blind, I'll do it. And I will ask them what they need. You know, an example I could give you is, was it three years ago, I guess, four years ago, now actually, I was called by someone up in Canada, who is a lawyer who went to work for a college. And we were talking about IRA, artificial intelligent, remote assistance, a IRA, you know about IRA, you wrote about it. And she said, you know, a lot of the discovery and a lot of the documentation that I need to use is not accessible through even OCR to be overly accurate, because there will be deep degradations and print and so and so I can't rely on that. And certainly, Adobe's OCR isn't necessarily going to deal with all the things that I need. So I'd like to use IRA is that a reasonable accommodation? And I said, sure it is, if that's what you need in order to be able to have access to the information, then it should be provided. Now the laws are a little different up there. But nevertheless, she went to the college and made the case and they gave her iris so she could read on demand all day, any document that she needed, and she was able to do her job. And not everyone necessarily needs to do that. And hear in probably some quarters, maybe there are other accommodations that people could use instead of using IRA. But still, Ira opened up a VISTA for her and gave her access to being able to do a job and I think that we really need to recognize that one solution doesn't fit everything. And the best way to address it is to ask somebody, what do you need in order to do your job, and we will provide it or work it out. And here in the US, of course, given although they try to renege on it so much, but given the definition of what rehabilitation is supposed to do, they're supposed to be able to and help make people employable. They should be providing a lot of these tools and sometimes getting counselors to do that. Just like pulling teeth, I'm sure you know about that. Yeah,   Andrew Leland ** 20:02 I do. I do. I mean, it's interesting because I think in the face of that complexity of saying, like, Okay, we like interviewed a dozen blind people, and we like have this we know, our website is it's compatible with all the screen readers. And, you know, this event, like, you know, let's say you're doing an event, and the website is compatible with every screen reader, and it's got dynamic types. So the low vision users are happy, you know, and then the event starts and you're like, oh, wait, we forgot about the existence of deafblind people, and there's no cart, or captioners. Here. And, you know, and then the question for me another another thing I've been thinking about lately is like, how do you respond to that, you know, like, what is the? What is the response? And even just like on a kind of, like, a social level, like, is it scathing indictment, like you, you terrible people, you know, you have you have like, you don't care about deaf blind people. And so I hereby cancel you, and I'm going to, like, tweet about how terrible you are? Or is there like a more benign approach, but then you don't get what you need. And like, sort of, and I think, I think a lot of this is a function of my having grown up without a disability, really, you know, I mean, like, growing up, my I went through my, my full education, without ever having to ask for an accommodation, you know, maybe I had to sit a little closer to the board a little bit. But you know, nothing, nothing like what I'm dealing with now. And I think as a result, I am just now starting to wrap my head around, like, how when self advocates and what styles are most effective. And I think that's another really important piece of this conversation, because it's easy, I think, to walk into, you know, cafe x, or, you know, I just did it the other day, yesterday, last night, I saw this really cool looking new magazine about radio, which was an interest of mine, like great for radio producers. And it was print only, you know, and I wrote like, Hey, how can I get an accessible copy of this cool look in new magazine? And they're like, Oh, actually, we're, we're putting our resources all it were kind of a shoestring operation, all our resources are going into the print edition right now. You know, and then, so then I had a question before me, right? Like, do I say, like, Hey, everybody, like, we must not rest until you agitate for these people to make their accessible thing, or I just sort of wrote a friendly note. And I was like, there's a lot of like, blind radio makers out there who might find your stuff interesting. And I like, affectionately urge you to make this accessible. And then, you know, their hearts seems to be in the right place. And they seem to be working on making it happen. So I don't know what's your what's your thinking about that? Like how to respond to those situations.   Michael Hingson ** 22:34 So my belief is whether we like it or not, every one of us needs to be a teacher. And the fact is to deal with with what you just said, let's take the radio magazine, which magazine is it by the way? Oh, I   Andrew Leland ** 22:51 didn't want to call them out by name. Oh, I'm   Michael Hingson ** 22:52 sorry. I was asking for my own curiosity, being very interested in radio myself. So we   Andrew Leland ** 22:57 give them some good and bad press simultaneously. It's called good tape. Okay, it's brand new. And at the moment, it's as of this recording, it's print only. And,   Michael Hingson ** 23:06 and tape is on the way up a good tape. No, that's okay. Anyway, but no, the reason I asked it was mainly out of curiosity. But look, you you kind of answered the question, their heart is in the right place. And it is probably true that they never thought of it. I don't know. But probably, yeah, they didn't think of it. I've seen other magazines like diversity magazine several years ago, I talked with them about the fact that their online version is totally inaccessible. And they have a print version. But none of its accessible. And I haven't seen it change yet, even though we've talked about it. And so they can talk about diversity all they want, and they talk a lot about disabilities, but they don't deal with it. I think that it comes down to what's the organization willing to do I've, I've dealt with a number of organizations that never thought about making a digital presence, accessible or having some sort of alternative way of people getting to the magazine, and I don't expect everybody to produce the magazine and Braille. And nowadays, you don't need to produce a braille version, but you need to produce an accessible version. And if people are willing to work toward that, I don't think that we should grind them into the ground at all if their hearts in the right place. And I can appreciate how this magazine started with print, which is natural. Yeah, but one of the things that you can do when others can do is to help them see maybe how easy it is to create a version that other people can can use for example, I don't know how they produce their magazine, but I will bet you virtual Anything that it starts with some sort of an electronic copy. If it does that, then they could certainly make that electronic copy a version that would be usable and accessible to the end. And then they could still provide it through a subscription process, there's no reason to give it away if they're not giving it away to other people, but they could still make it available. And I also think something else, which is, as you point out in the book, and the country of the blind, so often, things that are done for us, will help other people as well. So great tape is wonderful. But how is a person with dyslexia going to be able to read it? Yeah, so it isn't just blind people who could benefit from having a more accessible version of it. And probably, it would be worth exploring, even discussing with him about finding places to get funding to help make that happen. But if somebody's got their heart in the right place, then I think by all means, we shouldn't bless them. We should be teachers, and we should help them because they won't know how to do that stuff.   Andrew Leland ** 26:10 Ya know, I love that answer to be a teacher. And I think there was I think there was a teacher Lee vibe in my, in my response to them, you know, like, this is a thing that is actually important and useful. And you ought to really seriously consider doing it. You know, I mean, I think if you think about the how people act in the classroom, you know, it's those kinds of teachers who, you know, who, who correct you, but they correct you in a way that makes you want to follow their correction, instead of just ruining your day and making you feel like you're a terrible person. But it's interesting, because if you, you know, I mean, part of a lot of this is the function of the internet. You know, I see a lot of disabled people out there calling out people for doing things and accessibly. And, you know, I feel I'm really split about this, because I really empathize with the frustration that that one feels like, there's an amazing film called, I didn't see you there by a filmmaker named Reed Davenport, who's a wheelchair user. And the film is really just, like, he kind of he mounts a camera to his wheelchair, and a lot of it is like, he almost like turns his wheelchair into a dolly. And there's these these, like, wonderful, like tracking shots of Oakland, where he lived at the time. And there's this there's this incredible scene where it's really just his daily life, like, you know, and it's very similar to the experience of a blind person, like, he'll just be on a street corner hanging out, you know, in somebody's, like, the light screen, you know, like, what do you what are you trying to do, man, and he's like, I'm just here waiting for my car, my ride, you know, like, leave me alone. You don't need to intervene. But there's this incredible scene where there are some workers in his building are like, in the sort of just sort of unclear like they're working. And there's an extension cord, completely blocking the path, the visible entrance to his apartment, and he can't get into his house. And he's just this, like, the, the depth of his anger is so visceral in that moment. You know, and he yells at them, and they're like, oh, sorry, you know, they kind of don't care, you know, but they like, they're like, just give us a second. And he's like, I don't have a second, like, I need to get into my house. Now. You know, he just has no patience for them. And it's understandable, right? Like, imagine you're trying to get home. And as a matter of course, regularly every week, there's something that's preventing you. And then and then and then you see him when he finally gets back into his apartment. He's just like, screaming and rage. And it's, you know, so that rage I think, is entirely earned. You know, like, I don't I don't think that one one should have to mute one's rage and how and be a kindly teacher in that moment. Right. But, so So yeah, so So I kind of see it both ways. Like, there are moments for the rage. And then I guess there are moments for the mortar teacher like because obviously, like the stakes of me, getting access to good tape magazine are very different than the stakes for read like getting into his apartment. Right?   Michael Hingson ** 28:53 Well, yes and no, it's still access. But the other part about it is the next time, that group of people in whatever they're doing to repair or whatever, if they do the same thing, then they clearly haven't learned. Whereas if they go, Oh, we got to make sure we don't block an entrance. Yeah, then they've learned a lesson and so I can understand the rage. I felt it many times myself, and we all have and, and it's understandable. But ultimately, hopefully, we can come down. And depending on how much time there is to do it, go pick out and say, Look, do you see what the problem is here? Yeah. And please, anytime don't block an entrance or raise it way up or do something because a person in a wheelchair can't get in. And that's a problem. I so my wife always was in a wheelchair, and we were married for two years she passed last November. Just the bye He didn't keep up with the spirit is what I tell people is really true. But I remember we were places like Disneyland. And people would just jump over her foot rests, how rude, you know, and other things like that. But we, we faced a lot of it. And we faced it from the double whammy of one person being in a wheelchair and one person being blind. One day, we went to a restaurant. And we walked in, and we were standing at the counter and the hostess behind the counter was just staring at us. And finally, Karen said to me, well, the hostess is here, I don't think she knows who to talk to, you know, because I'm not making necessarily eye contact, and Karen is down below, in in a wheelchair. And so fine. I said, maybe if she would just ask us if we would like to sit down, it would be okay. And you know, it was friendly, and it broke the ice and then it went, went from there. But unfortunately, we, we, we bring up children and we bring up people not recognizing the whole concept of inclusion. And we we really don't teach people how to have the conversation. And I think that that's the real big issue. We don't get drawn into the conversation, which is why diversity is a problem because it doesn't include disabilities.   Andrew Leland ** 31:16 Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean, that seems to be changing. You know, I mean, you have you know, you have a lot more experience in this realm than I do. But But But haven't you felt like a real cultural shift over the last, you know, 2030 years about disability being more front of mind in that conversation?   Michael Hingson ** 31:36 I think it's, it's shifted some. The unemployment rate among employable blind people, though, for example, hasn't changed a lot. A lot of things regarding blindness hasn't really, or haven't really changed a lot. And we still have to fight for things like the National Federation of the Blind finally took the American Bar Association, all the way to the Supreme Court, because they wouldn't allow people to use their technology to take the LSAT. Yeah, lawyers of all people and you know, so things like that. There's, there's so many ways that it continues to happen. And I realized we're a low incidence disability. But still, I think, I think the best way to really equate it. You mentioned in Goldstein in the book, Dan, who I saw, I think, is a great lawyer spoke to the NFB in 2008. And one of the things he talked about was Henry, mayor's book all on fire. And it's about William Lloyd Garrison, the abolitionist and he was looking for allies. And he heard about these, these two, I think, two ladies, the Grimm case, sisters who were women's suffragettes, and they and he said, Look, we should get them involved. And people said, no, they're dealing with women's things. We're dealing with abolition, it's two different things. And Garrison said, No, it's all the same thing. And we've got to get people to recognize that it really is all the same thing. The you mentioned, well, you mentioned Fred Schroeder and the American Association of Persons with Disabilities at various points in the book. And in 1997. Fred, when he was RSA Commissioner, went to speak to the AAPD talking about the fact that we should be mandating Braille be taught in schools to all blind and low vision kids. And the way he tells me the story, they said, Well, that's a blindness issue. That's not our issue, because most of those people weren't blind. And that's unfortunate, because the reality is, it's all the same thing.   Andrew Leland ** 33:41 Yeah, no, that's something, uh, Dan Goldstein was a really important person for me to meet very early on in the process of writing the book, because I mean, just because he's, he's brilliant. And yeah, such a long history of, of arguing in a very, you know, legalistic, which is to say, very precise, and, you know, method, methodical way. A lot of these questions about what constitutes a reasonable accommodation, you know, as in like, his, his, the lawsuits that he's brought on behalf of the NFB have really broken ground have been incredibly important. So he's, he was a wonderful resource for me. You know, one of the things that he and I talked about, I remember at the beginning, and then, you know, I had lunch with him earlier this week, you know, we still are talking about it. And it's exactly that that question of, you know, the thing that the thing that really dogged me as I pursued, writing this book, and one of the kinds of questions that hung over it was this question of identity. And, you know, like, the sense that like the NFB argues that blindness is not what defines you. And yet, there it is, in their name, the National Federation of the Blind by and like, Where does where does this identity fit? And, you know, and I think that when you talk about other identities like Like the African American civil rights movement, or, you know, you mentioned the suffragette movement, you know, the feminist movement. You know, and it's interesting to compare these other identity based civil rights movements, and the organized by movement and the disability rights movement. And think about the parallels, but then there's also I think, disconnects as well. And so that was one of the things that I was it was really, really challenging for me to, to write about, but I think it's a really important question. And one that's, that's really evolving right now. You know, one of the things that I discovered was that, you know, in addition to the sort of blind or disability rights movement, that's very much modeled on the civil rights model of like, you know, my the first time I went to the NFB convention in 2018, you know, the banquet speech that Mark Riccobono gave was all about the speech of women and the women in the Federation, you know, which, which someone told me afterwards like, this is all new territory for the NFB, like, you know, they don't, there, there hasn't traditionally been this sort of emphasis on, including other identities, you know, and I found that was, I found that interesting, but then also, I was so struck by a line in that speech, where Riccobono said, you know, the fact that they were women is not as important as the fact that they were blind people fighting for, you know, whatever was like the liberation of blindness. And, you know, so it's, there's still always this emphasis on blindness as, like, the most important organizing characteristic of somebody is a part of that movement. And it makes total sense, right, it's the National Federation of the Blind, and they're fighting that 70% unemployment rate. And, you know, I think by their lights, you don't get there by you know, taking your eyes off the prize in some ways. And, and so I was really struck by some of these other groups that I encountered, particularly in 2020, when a lot of the sort of identity right questions came to the fore with the murder of George Floyd, right. You know, and then I was attending, you know, because it was 2020 it was that the convention was online, and I you know, I read it, this is all in the book, I, I went to the LGBT queue meet up, and which, which is also like a shockingly recent development at the NFB, you know, there's this notorious story where President Maher, you know, ostentatiously tears up a card, at a at an NFB convention where there are LGBT. NFB is trying to organize and have an LGBTQ meet up and he sort of ostentatiously tears it up as soon as he reads what's on the card. You know, a lot of still raw pain among NF beers who I talked to about that incident, anyway, like that this this LGBTQ meetup, you know, there's, there's a speaker who's not part of the NFB named justice, shorter, who works in DC, she's, she's blind, you know, and she's part of what is called the, you know, the Disability Justice Movement, which is very much about decentering whiteness, from the disability rights struggle and centering, black, queer, you know, people of color, who are also disabled, and and in some ways, I've found the NFB struggling to, to connect with with that model. You know, I talked to a Neil Lewis, who's the highest ranking black member of the NFV, you know, and he wrote this really fascinating Braille monitor article in the wake of, of George Floyd's death, where he's sort of really explicitly trying to reconcile, like Black Lives Matter movement with live the life you want, you know, with with NFB slogans, and it's, it's a tough thing to do, he has a tough job and trying to do that, because because of the thing, you know, that that I'm saying about Riccobono, right, it's like he is blind is the most important characteristic, or where do these other qualities fit? So it's a very contemporary argument. And it's one that I think the the organized blind movement is still very actively wrestling with.   Michael Hingson ** 39:02 I think it's a real tough thing. I think that blindness shouldn't be what defines me, but it's part of what defines me, and it shouldn't be that way. It is one of the characteristics that I happen to have, which is why I prefer that we start recognizing that disability doesn't mean lack of ability. Disability is a characteristic that manifests itself in different ways to people and in our case, blindness as part of that. For Women. Women is being a woman as part of it for men being a man as part of it for being short or tall, or black or whatever. Those are all part of what defines us. I do think that the National Federation of the Blind was an organization that evolved because, as I said earlier, we're not being included in the conversation and I think that for the Federation and blindness is the most important thing and ought to be the most important thing. And I think that we need to be very careful as an organization about that. Because if we get too bogged down in every other kind of characteristic that defines people, and move away too much from dealing with blindness, we will weaken what the message and the goals of the National Federation of the Blind are. But we do need to recognize that blindness isn't the only game in town, like eyesight isn't the only game in town. But for us, blindness is the main game in town, because it's what we deal with as an organization. Well,   Andrew Leland ** 40:40 how do you reconcile that with the idea that you were talking about before with with, you know, with the argument that like, you know, with the historical example of, you know, it's the same fight the suffragettes and like it because it doesn't that kind of, isn't that kind of contradicting that idea that like, having the intersection of identities, you know, and these movements all being linked by some kind of grand or systemic oppression, you know, so it is it is relevant? Well,   Michael Hingson ** 41:06 it is, yeah, and I'm not saying it any way that it's not relevant. What I am saying, though, is the case of the Grimm case, sisters, he wanted their support and support of other supportive other people, Garrison did in terms of dealing with abolition, which was appropriate, their main focus was women's suffrage, but it doesn't mean that they can't be involved in and recognize that we all are facing discrimination, and that we can start shaping more of our messages to be more inclusive. And that's the thing that that I don't think is happening nearly as much as it ought to. The fact is that, it doesn't mean that blind people shouldn't be concerned about or dealing with LGBTQ or color, or gender or whatever. Yeah. But our main common binding characteristic is that we're all blind men. So for us, as an organization, that should be what we mostly focus on. It also doesn't mean that we shouldn't be aware of and advocate for and fight for other things as well. But as an organization, collectively, the goal really needs to be dealing with blindness, because if you dilute it too much, then you're not dealing with blindness. And the problem with blindness as being a low incidence disability, that's all too easy to make happen. Right?   Andrew Leland ** 42:35 Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, it's interesting, just thinking about that question of dilution versus strengthening, you know, because I think I think if you ask somebody in the Disability Justice Movement, the dilution happens precisely, with an overemphasis on a single disability, right, and then you lose these like broader coalition's that you can build to, you know, I think I think it comes down to maybe like the way that you are our analysts analyzing the structures of oppression, right, like, right, what is it that's creating that 70% unemployment? Is it something specifically about blindness? Or is it like a broader ableist structure that is connected to a broader racist structure? You know, that's connected to a broader misogynist structure? You know, and I think if you start thinking in those structural terms, then like, coalition building makes a lot more sense, because it's like, I mean, you know, I don't know what kind of political affiliation or what but political orientation to take with us, you know, but certainly the Disability Justice Movement is pretty radically to the left, right. And I think traditionally, the NFB, for instance, has had a lot more socially conservative members and leaders. And so it's, you know, that reconciliation feels almost impossibly vast to to think of like an organization like the NFB taking the kind of like, abolitionist stance that a lot of these disability justice groups take to say, like, actually, capitalism is the problem, right. So yeah, so I mean, the thought experiment only goes so far, like, what like a Disability Justice oriented NFP would look like. But you know, that I think there are young members, you know, and I do think it's a generational thing too. Like, I think there are NF beers in their 20s and 30s, who are really wrestling with those questions right now. And I'm really interested to see what they come up with.   Michael Hingson ** 44:29 I think that the biggest value that the NFB brings overall, and I've actually heard this from some ACB people as well, is that the ENFP has a consistent philosophy about what blindness is and what blindness is. And and that is probably the most important thing that the NFP needs to ensure that it that it doesn't lose. But I think that the whole and the NFP used to be totally As coalition building that goes back to Jernigan and Mauer, although Mauer started to change some of that, and I think it will evolve. But you know, the NFB. And blind people in general have another issue that you sort of brought up in the book, you talk about people who are deaf and hard of hearing, that they form into communities and that they, they have a culture. And we don't see nearly as much of that in the blindness world. And so as a result, we still have blind people or sighted people referring to us and and not ever being called out as blind or visually impaired. But you don't find in the deaf community that people are talking about deaf or hearing impaired, you're liable to be shot. It's deaf or hard of hearing. And yeah, the reality is, it ought to be blind or low vision, because visually impaired is ridiculous on several levels visually, we're not different and impaired. What that's that's a horrible thing to say. But as a as an as a group. I was going to use community, but I but I guess the community isn't, as well formed to deal with it yet. We're not there. And so all too often, we talk about or hear about visually impaired or visual impairment. And that continues to promote the problem that we're trying to eliminate. Mm   Andrew Leland ** 46:22 hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that question of blank community is fascinating. And yeah. And I do think that I mean, you know, from my reading the book, I certainly have found blank community. But, you know, if I really think about it, if I'm really being honest, I think it's more that I've met, it's, you know, my work on the book has given me access to really cool blind people that I have gotten to become friends with, you know, that feels different than, like, welcome to this club, where we meet, you know, on Tuesdays and have our cool like, blind, you know, paragliding meetups, you know, not that not that people aren't doing that, like, then they're a really, you know, I would like to get more if I lived in a more urban center, I'm sure it would be involved in like, you know, the blind running club or whatever, willing to hang out with blind people more regularly, but it doesn't feel like a big community in that way. And it's interesting to think about why. You know, I think one big reason is that it's not, it's not familial, in the same way, you know, Andrew Solomon wrote a really interesting book called far from the tree that gets at this where, you know, like, the when, when, when a child has a different identity than a parent, like, you know, deaf children of hearing adults, you know, there doesn't, there isn't a culture that builds up around that, you know, and it's really like these big deaf families that you have with inherited forms of deafness, or, you know, and then schools for the deaf, that, you know, and with deaf culture in particular, you know, really what we're talking about is language, you know, in sign language, right, creates a whole rich culture around it. Whereas, with hearing blind people, you know, they're more isolated, they're not necessarily automatically you have to, you have to really work to find the other blind people, you know, with, with travel being difficult, it's a lot easier to just like, Get get to the public library to meet up in the first place, and so on. So, yeah, it feels a lot more fractured. And so I think you do see groups more like the NFB or the ACB, who are organizing around political action, rather than, you know, like a culture of folks hanging out going to a movie with open audio description, although, I will say that the weeks that I spent at the Colorado Center for the Blind, you know, which is, you know, you can think of it as like a, you know, it's a training center, but in some ways, it's like an intentional blind community do right where you're like, that's like a blind commune or something. I mean, that is just a beautiful experience, that it's not for everyone in terms of their their training method. But if it is for you, like, wow, like for just such a powerful experience to be in a community, because that is a real community. And it nothing will radically change your sense of what it means to be blind and what it means to be in a black community than then living for a while at a place like that. It was a really transformative experience for me.   Michael Hingson ** 49:11 Do you think that especially as the younger generations are evolving and coming up, that we may see more of a development of a community in the blindness in the blindness world? Or do you think that the other forces are just going to keep that from happening? Well,   Andrew Leland ** 49:30 you know, one of the things that I discovered in writing the book was that, you know, and this is sort of contradicting what I just said, because there there is a blind community. And, you know, I read in the book like, at first I thought that blind techies were another subculture of blindness, like blind birders are blind skateboarders, right. But then the more I looked into it, the more I realized that like being a techie is actually like a kind of a basic feature of being a blind person in the world. You know, and I don't hear if it's 2023 or 1823, you know, because if you think about the problem of blindness, which is access to information, by and large, you know, you basically have to become a self styled information technologist, right? To, to get what you need, whether it's the newspaper, or textbooks or signs, road signs, or whatever else. So. So I do and I do think that like, you know, when my dad was living in the Bay Area in the 90s, you know, when I would go visit him, you know, he was a techie, a sighted techie. And, you know, he would always be part of like, the Berkeley Macintosh user group, just be like, these nerds emailing each other, or, you know, I don't even know if email was around, it was like, late 80s. You know, but people who have like the Mac 512, KS, and they would, they would connect with each other about like, Well, how did you deal with this problem? And like, what kind of serial port blah, blah, blah? And that's a community, right? I mean, those people hang out, they get rise together. And if there's anything like a blind community, it's the blind techie community, you know, and I like to tell the story about Jonathan mosun. I'm sure you've encountered him in your trailer. I know Jonathan. Yeah. You know, so I, when I discovered his podcast, which is now called Living blind, fully blind, fully, yeah. Yeah. I, I was like, oh, okay, here are the conversations I've been looking for, because he will very regularly cover the kind of like social identity questions that I'm interested in, like, you know, is Braille like, is the only way for a blind person to have true literacy through Braille? Or is using a screen reader literacy, you know? Or like, is there such a thing as blind pride? And if so, what is it? I was like? These are the kinds of questions I was asking. And so I was so delighted to find it. But then in order to, in order to get to those conversations, you have to sit through like 20 minutes of like, one password on Windows 11 stopped working when I upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows 11. And so like, what, you know, if you what Jaws command, can I use in and I was like, why is this? Why is there like 20 minutes of Jaws chat in between these, like, really interesting philosophical conversations. And eventually, I realized, like, oh, because that's like, what this community needs and what it's interested in. And so in some ways, like the real blind community is like the user group, which I think is actually a beautiful thing. Yeah.   Michael Hingson ** 52:14 Well, it is definitely a part of it. And we do have to be information technologists, in a lot of ways. Have you met? And do you know, Curtis Chang,   Andrew Leland ** 52:23 I've met him very briefly at an NFB convention. So Curtis,   Michael Hingson ** 52:28 and I have known each other Gosh, since the 1970s. And we both are very deeply involved in a lot of things with technology. He worked in various aspects of assistive technology worked at the NFB center for a while and things like that, but he always talks about how blind people and and I've heard this and other presentations around the NFB, where blind people as Curtis would put it, have to muddle through and figure out websites. And, and the fact is, we do it, because there are so many that are inaccessible. I joined accessibe two years ago, two and a half years ago. And there are a lot of people that don't like the artificial, intelligent process that accessibe uses. It works however, and people don't really look far enough that we're not, I think, being as visionary as we ought to be. We're not doing what we did with Ray Kurzweil. And look, when the Kurzweil project started with the NFB Jernigan had to be dragged kicking and screaming into it, but Ray was so emphatic. And Jim Gasol at the Washington office, finally convinced kindred again to let him go see, raised machine, but the rules were that it didn't matter what Ray would put on the machine to read it and had to read what Gasol brought up. Well, he brought it did and the relationship began, and it's been going ever since and, and I worked, running the project and the sense on a day to day basis, I traveled I lived out of hotels and suitcases for 18 months as we put machines all over and then I went to work for Ray. And then I ended up having to go into sales selling not the reading machine, but the data entry machine, but I guess I kept to consistently see the vision that Ray was bringing, and I think he helped drag, in some ways the NFB as an organization, more into technology than it was willing to do before. Interesting.   Andrew Leland ** 54:27 Yeah, I heard a similar comment. The one thing I got wrong in the first edition of the book that I'm correcting for subsequent reprints, but I really bungled the description of the Opticon. And my friend, Robert Engel Britton, who's a linguist at Rice University, who collects opera cones. I think he has got probably like a dozen of them in his house. You know, he helped me you know, because I didn't have a chance to use one. Right he helped me get a better version of it. But he also sent me a quote, I think it was from Jernigan was similar thing where like, I think they were trying to get the public I'm included with, you know, voc rehab, so that that students could not voc rehab or whatever like so that students could get blind students could use them. And it was the same thing of like, you know, this newfangled gizmo is not going to help, you know, Braille is what kids need. So I do that, that's all to say that that makes sense to me that resistance to technology, you know, and it's like, it's a, it's a, it's a sort of conservative stance of like, we understand that what blind people need are is Braille and access to, you know, equal access. And don't don't try to give us any anything else. And you know, and I think, to be fair, like, even though the Opticon sounded like an incredibly useful tool, as is, of course, the Kurzweil Reading Machine and everything that followed from it. There. There is, you know, talking, I talked to Josh Meili, for the book, who's who now works at Amazon, you know, he had this great story about his mentor, Bill, Gary, who, who would, who would basically get a phone call, like once a week from a well, very well meaning like retired sighted engineer, who would say like, oh, you know, what the blind need? It's like the laser cane, right? Or the Yeah, it's like, basically like a sippy cup for blind people like so that they don't spill juice all over themselves. And, you know, and Gary would very patiently be like, Oh, actually, they don't think that that would be helpful to do probably, yeah. Talk to a blind person first, maybe before you spend any more time trying to invent something that blind people don't need. So I think that resistance to like newfangled technology, there's a good reason for it. Well,   Michael Hingson ** 56:26 there is but the willingness to take the Opticon. Look, I think the fastest I ever heard of anybody reading with an optical was like 70 or 80 words a minute, and there are only a few people who did that. Yeah. You know, Candy Lynnville, the daughter of the engineer who invented it, could and Sue Mel Rose, who was someone I knew, was able to and a few people were but what the Opticon did do even if it was slow, yeah, it was it still gave you access to information that you otherwise didn't get access to. And, and I had an optic on for a while. And the point was, you could learn to read and learn printed letters and learn to read them. It wasn't fast. But you could still do it. Yeah. And so it, it did help. But it wasn't going to be the panacea. I think that tele sensory systems wanted it to be you know, and then you talked about Harvey Lauer who also develop and was involved in developing the stereo toner, which was the audience since the audio version of the optic comm where everything was represented audio wise, and, and I spent a lot of time with Harvey Harvey at Heinz a long time ago. But the the fact is, I think the question is valid is listening, and so on literacy is literacy, like Braille. And I think there is a difference there is, are you illiterate, if you can't read Braille, you point out the issues about grammar, the issues about spelling and so on. And I think that there is a valid reason for people learning Braille at the Colorado Center, they would tell you, for senior blind people, you may not learn much Braille, but you can learn enough to be able to take notes and things like that, or, or put labels on your, your soup cans, and so on. So it's again, going to be different for different people. But we are in a society where Braille has been so de emphasized. And that's the fault of the educational system for not urging and insisting that more people be able to use Braille. And that's something that we do have to deal with. So I think there is a literacy problem when people don't learn braille. But I also think that, again, there are a lot of things that Braille would be good for, but using audio makes it go faster. It doesn't mean you shouldn't learn braille, though, right? Yeah,   Andrew Leland ** 58:51 no, it's another I think it's interesting. And it's a related idea, this, this sense that technology, you know, this like, just sort of wave your hands and say the word technology as a sort of panacea, where I think, you know, it's, it's a tragic story where, where people will say, Oh, well, you know, little Johnny has, you know, some vision. So like, he could just use technology, like he doesn't need Braille. And it's fascinating to me, because I never really felt it. And maybe it's because I encountered Braille at a point in my development as a blind person that I really was hungry for it. But, you know, people talk about Braille the way they talked about the white cane, like the white cane, I felt so much shame about using in public, and it's such, it's just so stigmatized, whereas Braille, I just always thought it was kind of cool. But you know, you hear it so much from parents where they it's just like their heartbreak seeing their child reading with their fingers, which is, you know, and so as a result, they're like, why don't I just buy like a gigantic magnifier, that maybe in five years, you're not gonna be able to use anyway, but like, at least you're reading the same type of book that   Michael Hingson ** 59:56 half hour or 45 minutes until you start getting headaches. Exactly. And that, you know, I worked on a proposal once. I was an evaluator for it. We were in a school in Chicago, and one of the teachers talked about Sally who could see and Johnny, who was totally blind, literally, it was Sally and Johnny. And she said, Sally gets to read print, Johnny has to read Braille. Sally couldn't read print very fast. her eyesight wasn't good. Yeah, she got to read print. And Johnny had to read Braille. Yeah, it's the kind of thing that we we see all the time. And it's so unfortunate. So yeah, I, I do understand a lot of the technology resistance. But again, people like Ray helped us vision a little differently. But unfortunately, getting that conversation to other people, outside of the NFB community, like teachers and so on, is so hard because so many people are looking at it from a science point of view and not recognizing it as it should be. The the NFB did a video that did it. Several, they have had a whole series of things regarding Braille. But they interviewed a number of people who had some residual vision, who were never allowed to learn to read Braille. And invariably, these people say how horrible it was that they didn't get to learn to read Braille, they learned it later. And they're, they're reading slower than they really should. But they see the value of it. And it's important that we hopefully work to change some of those conversations. Yeah,   Andrew Leland ** 1:01:33 I mean, it gets back to our earlier in our conversation a

In alter Besetzung sprechen wir über das wieder mal über das knappe Heimspiel, diesmal gegen Eintracht Norderstedt. Die fußballerische Qualität war aber bei beiden Mannschaften erfreulich hoch und gerade die erste Halbzeit wusste zu überzeugen. In der zweiten Halbzeit ließen dann das Licht, der Schiedsrichter und zum Ende auch wir nach. Einen kurzen Einschub zur Stadionsituation bei Holstein Kiel 2 gibt es auch noch ;) Ein weiterer Podcast zu den Frauen und der Zwoten soll noch folgen diese Woche :)

Jeremiah Ginn Jeremiah Ginn is a father, teacher, engineer, architect, author, advocate, and veteran focused on investing in others. He leads SDN evangelism across Fortune 500 companies. His 25 year tech career has spanned SD-WAN, SASE, NFV, multi-tenant cloud, and network infrastructure. He is an IEEE member contributing to SDN, SD-WAN, and SASE standards. As...

Asher Wright is a retired US Army Veteran, having served our country for 22 years. He's also the Co-founder of Life Changing Wisdom Coach. Tune into this great conversation where Asher shares several key tools he's developed from his personal journey that he applies in coaching his clients; including the EGO Mindset, the Five C Complex for Success, the NFV formulas for personal growth, and more!We also talk about Asher's inspiration behind his “100 Books a Year Challenge”, and his wisdom behind “Turning Traumas into Treasures”To learn more about Asher's coaching work, visit www.lifechangingwisdom.com You can also follow Asher on:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LCWFORU?mibextid=LQQJ4dLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/asher-wright-310731227/and Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asher.ra.sta/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3DA big audiotag shout-out to Jimmy IV, creator and host of the Sexy Cool Lounge Podcast. Follow Jimmy and subscribe to his podcast at www.sexycoollounge.com

Der erste Heimsieg ist eingefahren :) Gegen die erfahrene Regionalliga Truppe zeigte unsere junge Mannschaft eine engagierte Mannschaftsleistung die zu einem verdienten Sieg führte. Klar gab es neben viel Licht auch einiges an Schatten da sprechen wir drüber :) Danke auch für das fantastische Feedback an alle Hörer*innen :)

ה'אינטרסנטים', הפודקאסט הכלכלי היומי של TheMarker, יום רביעי 8 במארס, באולפן איתן אבריאל וסמי פרץ. היום הוא יום קשה עבור מי שטוענים, אם עוד בכלל נותרו כאלה, שההפיכה המשטרית לא תשפיע על כלכלת ישראל, ושכל התחזיות הקודרות הן מניפולציה של "שמאלנים" שלא מקבלים את תוצאות הבחירות. מדוע? הנה: אתמול בלילה פרסמה סוכנות הדירוג מודי'ס עדכון על כלכלת ישראל שבו היא מזהירה שדירוג החוב צפוי לרדת אם החקיקה הנוכחית תושלם, ואילו הבוקר פרסם דברים דומים לא אחר מאשר ד"ר מיכאל שראל, ראש החטיבה הכלכלית במכון קהלת – ועתה ממש לא ברור כיצד הוא יכול לשבת באותו משרד עם אנשים שתכננו את ההפיכה. אנחנו נדבר על זה עם כתב המאקרו שלנו נתי טוקר, וגם על הביקור הקרוב של שר האוצר בצלאל סמוטריץ' בארצות הברית לרגל כינוס של הבונדס – הארגון שמגייס הון מיהודי התפוצות עבור ישראל. כותרת דרמטית נוספת הבוקר נגד ההפיכה היא ההודעה של חברת ההיי-טק ריסקיפייד, שמסרה שתוציא מישראל 500 מיליוני דולרים, וגם תעביר חלק מהעובדים שלה לפורטוגל – בגלל החשש מהטלת מגבלות על תנועות הון. זו ידיעה חשובה כשלעצמה, המבהירה עד כמה בהיי-טק חוששים מההפיכה המשטרית, אבל חשוב להבהיר שהחשש הזה מצטרף להתקררות מהירה של ענף ההיי-טק העולמי גם ללא קשר לאירועים בישראל, מגמה שבאה לידי ביטוי בצניחה של עשרות אחוזים בהיקף ההשקעות הזרות שבהיי-טק צפויים לקבל השנה, ביחס לשנתיים האחרונות. עמרי זרחוביץ', פרשן תחום ההיי-טק בTheMarker, יהיה כאן. האם צרות בהיי-טק בכלל, ובענף הסייבר בפרט, באות בצרורות? לאחר שבשנתיים האחרונות למדנו להכיר את מעלליה של חברת NSO, נחשף עתה, ממסמכים פנימיים שהגיעו ל"הארץ", שחברה ישראלית אחרת, NFV סיסטמס, מוכרת לגורמים זרים מערכות לאיכון סלולרי של "יעדים", ניטור הפעילות וגישה לנתוני התקשרות שלהם – והם, בניגוד לNSO, אפילו לא קיבלו לפי החשד אישור ממשרד הביטחון. אבי שרף, ראש אגף תחקירי הביטחון של "הארץ", יהיה גם הוא אתנו.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello Wicked Hunters,  Welcome back to The Art of Photography podcast, today we have Rachel Wood with us sharing her journey and passion.  Ever since she quit her office job and bought a camera in 2019, she has been on a world tour of exploration and discovery as a professional photographer. Some of her favourite images were captured in uncommon places: a Paleontology dig in Argentina, a solo expedition in Mongolia, and on a journey to Antarctica.   She's passionate about using her photos to advocate and raise funds for conservation and charity organizations. She also prides herself on being a patron to women in photography and BIPOC artists. Although you will typically find her taking photos in odd positions, I will oftentimes be spotted at the nearest food truck, trying to taste everything on the menu. If you want to learn more about Rachel's work, you can find it here: Link to social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/0xWanderbitch Artverse website www.artverseproject.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/thetravelingelf Other ways to listen and subscribe to the podcast: • Spotify - http://bit.ly/twhspotify   • Apple Podcast - https://bit.ly/Theartofphotography   • Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/TheArtOfPhotographyWithStanleyAr   • Website: https://podcast.thewickedhunt.com      • Tune In (Alexa) - https://bit.ly/TuneInTheArtOfPhotographyPodcastWithStanleyAr     For those of you who want to learn more about The Wicked Hunt Photography by Stanley Aryanto: • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thewickedhunt/    • Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thewickedhunt/  • Masterclass: https://www.TheWickedHuntPhotography.com      • Photo print: https://www.TheWickedHunt.com/   Don't forget to leave a review on the podcast if you enjoy this conversation. It would help us to get found and help to inspire other photographers.    ----------------------- Transcription:   Rachel Wood  0:00   If I was driving in my van across the USA, I hadn't had that many sales. And I was stuck at a gas station in the middle of like Kansas or something. And I could see the gas. But I cannot even afford to fill up my tank, because I was broke. And I knew I wanted to get to my friend's place, which was in like the next state over, but I just couldn't make it there. Because I couldn't afford it. And so that's kind of like what I was like really debating on is NF T's worth it Stanley Aryanto - The Wicked Hunt  0:45   Hey, wiki hunters, welcome back to The Art of Photography podcast, where we share photographers journey and show how photography has given us hope, purpose and happiness. And to hey, we have somebody who have given a lot to the community who have worked very hard, you know, around a project in NFV, as well as outside of NFV. And I'm just so excited to have her in, in this podcast and share not only about her successes, but also her journey and what makes her you know, the artists that she is today. Hey, Rachel, how you doing? Rachel Wood  1:23   I'm good. I'm good. Thank you so much for that great introduction. I am very happy to be here and share a little bit more about myself. Stanley Aryanto - The Wicked Hunt  1:31   Yeah, I'm excited. You know, I've been following you for quite some time now on Twitter. And I've been seeing not only your great photography, as well as your digital art, but what you've done for the community is just incredible. So I I'm just excited to have you here. But before we get started, tell us a little bit about yourself, right? What, what make you fall in love with either photography or digital art yourself? Rachel Wood  2:04   Yeah, so that's a good question. And I think many people expect my photography journey to be a lot longer than it is. But I didn't do photography. I didn't take pictures until 2019. So that's only about three years of actually taking photographs. Of course, before I would take photographs on like, your phones, or like, you know, point and shoot cameras on your travels, but I was never really for photography. Really, my love of photography sprouted from my love of travel. I am I've travelled quite a bit on my own since I was 12 years old. And I would always come back and just be like, Hey, everyone, I had this great experience. You want to see pictures of cars, it'd be like those five megapixel like camera phone like blurry out of focus, like not really able to see anything in those pictures. I'm like a, like, how can I help share the life experiences I was having with other people. So yeah, that kind of sprung from that. But with our I always loved art, like growing up, I was not in public school, I was in a Waldorf education system. And they do a lot of like experimental observation and hands on learning. really delving deep into the art. So I've done everything from metal smithing to stained glass, lamp making two weaving to painting with like acrylics or oils or every other medium. I grew up surrounded by art, and I never really wanted to be an artist growing up because I was like, Well, It's so fluffy and light, like I want to be someone people can respect and have like, you know, some sort of clout in in life be like, yeah, because my entire extended family is like lawyers and doctors, you know, all those heavy, hard stem people, and they're brilliant people. And I think growing up I always thought artists were not smart. Which is why when I went to college, I, you know, went hardcore into like, pre med, medical anthropology. I wanted to be a doctor. But after about two years of no art in my life, I realised that I was really ignoring a big part of myself. I have a brain where I need both the logical and the creative sides and I think they both go hand in hand. But um, picking science over art was a was a bad choice. For me. Personally, I still love learning about you know, medical practices. I still love reading those like papers and research and things like that, but I know for myself, I need to have that balance of creative infrastructure. And actually, that's where photography kind of comes in, you know, there's so much more to just snapping a picture. When you start learning photography, I mean, it's takes people's years, years just to learn how to use their camera. I know for me, I still don't know how to use my camera fully. But yeah, it's, it's fun. And it's creative. And it's enabled me to interact with the world in such a personable, but also comfortable place, because I'm not someone who just like inserts herself I like to observe life as it happens before me, I like to live in the moment. And photography really lets me to find a place that I can be comfortable in and partake, and essentially preserve those stories that happened around me. Stanley Aryanto - The Wicked Hunt  5:57   Wow, I mean, knowing you're gonna be inspiring, but you know, we just started and you're already, there's so many inspiration already in the you know, and I can relate so much. You know, growing up in Asian culture, the goal was to either be an accountant, an engineer, or a doctor. It was like the trifecta. So it's, I can totally understand where you're coming from. But it's crazy to learn that, you know, you have, you have so many different art. You have tried so many different parts of art, as you were growing up, and you know, trying different things. So it sounded like photography has come a little later, but art come first. Is that is that? Is that accurate? Cool. So like, you know, what really draw you into? I mean, you cannot say that it's it's the travel, right, but you also say that you've been travelling since you were 12 years old. So why two years ago? What was that one thing that really like, you know, push you to pursue the art of photography? Rachel Wood  7:06   Yeah, that's a good question. Well, I think a lot of people grow up on like, National Geographic and like Lonely Planet, and we see those travel places. And we're like, Oh, I wish we could go there. I was like, Oh, I wish I could see that. And in my travels, I was, I was seeing a lot of those things. I've been around the world many, many times. I think I've flown over a million miles, like 10 years. But it's so hard to find your way in travel. And after college. With my travel background, I was actually a travel specialist for a really big company. Because this is recorded, I don't think I can say, but I worked with some very, very wealthy people. And that really opened my eyes to a different way of travelling because before I've always been in the Volunteer Study Abroad sector of like, I'm a kid, I swear on this. Like, shit as poor student just trying to, you know, travel. So I would take every opportunity to raise money for my trips. My parents didn't really help me, you know, fund it, like, I wasn't ever, you know, just given trips abroad. Like I had to work for it. I had to earn it. And I also had to work on the trips. But then, with my college, what post college job as a travel specialist, I was working with these budgets that were so far beyond my limited worldview, even though I had been around the world, my world view, my perspective of the world was through a smaller budget. And suddenly, this job opened my eyes to experiences I never even thought possible. And I stuck with that job for like 10 months. But I was able to pay off my college debt with it. I sold everything I like got rid of my apartment, I got rid of my beds, like everything. And then that Christmas, I asked, you know, Santa or my family for Christmas money to buy a camera. So I took my Christmas money in 2009 18 I bought my first like, big camera that I had no idea how to use. And that was a Nikon D 850 Wonderful, wonderful beast of a camera. It's an amazing camera, but it's very heavy. And I realised that when I wanted what I wanted to do was traveller, and how can I make money on the road? And I was like, I'm gonna try photography. Even though I don't know what the heck I'm doing. I have no experience, whatever. I'm going to do it. And I think a lot of people want to do the same thing they see the slight If and they're like, Oh, I wish I could do this. But I'm someone who, when I see something of like, I want to do that I have to do it, well, I will try my best. And it was great. I packed up a backpack that January, I was in Peru with a group of other remote people. And I was able to connect with a woman who was working on a food documentary, down in South America. And that was my first sort of, like, official job. And I had a lot of fun, a lot of fun, too much fun that year, just chasing every opportunity to get that experience with a camera. So, yeah, I still have a lot to learn, but I think it really shaped me to work fast, to really understand that I have milliseconds to capture something before it never happens again. And that really helps me with my, my workflow. Stanley Aryanto - The Wicked Hunt  11:07   That's incredible, you know, just hearing your courage to go through everything that you have gone through, and then to push through and try to, or I shouldn't say try, because you chase a dream that you kind of, you know, doubted it in the first but then you just take a chance on it and just go on a leap of faith and jump head in first and just go and do it, that is something that I find very inspiring. So I see that you have you do a lot of digital artists well, and you know, like a composite as well as you know, like, illustrative, which are incredible. You know, I think I saw you know, is that your, your foundation piece, the one that you have it like, you know, and Twinkie II was just, you know, when I first saw that it was just such a dreamy work. And you know, it was so beautiful. So how does photography and digital art kind of complement each other in your world. Rachel Wood  12:16   So, yeah, I got into photography, because I wanted to capture the world around me and share those experiences and those moments. But digital art, it's very hard to say I'm a digital artist, even though I technically AM. And that's how I kind of white the permission that NFT in the NFT space has given me the ability and kind of courage to say that I do some digital art before when I came into NFT since December of last year. So I've only been in the NFT space for about six months. And you know, coming in, I had like this whole big plan and ideal of what kind of photographer I'm going to be known as you know, it's reset. And within like a week, I was like, Well, shit, I don't know what I'm doing. I have the whole world in front of me. And why am I pigeonholing myself into this ideal of, of who I thought I wanted to be when I was coming from a very limited web to Instagram mindset. And that's why I mented not a photograph as my Genesis piece I invented this wandering Wildling composite work, lead from many different images. And I animated it and I wrote a poem to it. And to me that was that was a promise to myself that it was okay to be something other than who I am, or who I was. To me that that is such a personal piece of art. Because it came from a really dark time when I was questioning photography last, you know, in 2020 I, you know, when I was like kind of a shitstorm everywhere, and there's so much uncertainty and you know, people were telling me left or right of what I needed to do as a photographer to make it. I felt that NF T's and the NF T space gave me that sense of it's okay, Rachel, you don't have to listen to everyone and you don't have to follow in the footsteps of the great people because that's their story. Your story is different. And that's, that's me, you know, my poem with that my Genesis wondering Well, the thing is, it's about travelling, it's about having that restless soul. Which I know I'm incredibly privileged in lucky to have such a life and to have had the experiences and I know people would be like, If only I had half of your experiences, I would be happy but um, you know, sometimes it's like once you have a bite, you get bitten by that Trouble park and you just can't stop. You know, it's with you forever. And I've had to work through those emotions, of why do I? Why am I so restless? Why? Why am I not happy with what I've had? And I am happy. But you know, there's always going to be a big part of me. That's going to be like, Okay, what next? Where to next? Let's go. Stanley Aryanto - The Wicked Hunt  15:24   Wow, that's just, you know, that was a big inspiration you drove right there, that was just incredible, you know, sharing that whole journey, what you feel, you know, I think it's, it's really hard, especially in this social media era, we see people who are succeeding. And a lot of times, you know, people would say, Well, why don't you just model their, their, what they're doing, and then you know, you should be somewhat successful if they're successful doing what they do. So we get a lot of that, or impostor syndrome, and, you know, having to kind of follow what everyone who had success in this space and try to model what they're doing, but it's just such an inspiration, how you decided to, you know, do to put a stop on there and say that, okay, well, that is one way to go about it, but you decided to go to find your own path, right? Whether or not it's, it's the right way, we never going to know until you try it. And you know, I think that is the biggest courageous to just give it a go. So you mentioned that there was so many, so many advices, so many voices coming left and right of you know, what you should do about your, you know, what you should do what you should do in the future to go about, you know, your photography, what are I'd like to know, what are some of the advices on that? And what you know, because I know that you say that, in the end, you decided to just, you know, follow your own path? What are some of those advices? And whether or not you have tried to follow that through before you find your own path to get there? Rachel Wood  17:13   Yeah, wow. Okay. That's a really good question. And I am stalling while I think about the answer. I think for me, I've always viewed the now as a perpetual launching pad. I know in the past, I've been a perfectionist where I don't want to, like do anything without it being perfect. And I think a lot of us do the same thing. Like we don't feel confident in what we're doing. So we hold back, we actually hold ourselves back by saying perfection is what we're trying to obtain. But really, we all know that saying it's not perfect is just saying it's an excuse. And there's no perfect moment for when you know, you should do something. And as creative people I know of Absolutely. It's very hard for us to do something that we don't feel that excitement to do. But I think that's where my sort of more like logical structured brain comes into play. Because I know that motivation doesn't happen every day. But when I chose to do photography as my job as my career, couple years ago, I acknowledged that I would have to work even if I didn't feel motivated, I would have to do things, even if I did not want to do them. And that's something that people forget, when you choose to do an art form as a career or business or even trying to sell your work, you're gonna have to not just do the art, you're gonna have to do a lot more to everything. Basically, we have to be little birds and jump out of our, our nest and grow wings as we fall. Because there's no other better way to learn how to do something in my opinion, like, by walking and struggling, that we we get to forge something different within us. And that's what makes it stand out. So I'm in the NFT space. Yeah, you know, every when I came in, in December and January, everyone was like, Oh, we have to sell an Pricer one of one works super high. And, you know, like you said before, like we get this impostor syndrome, and we tried to replicate these amazing people in the space before us because we admire them. We respect them, and then they're in a place that we want to be in. But what we forget is that we're taking their stories, we're taking what they've done out of context, we've taken it out of the time situation The history, the even the privilege of what those people were doing at that time. And we're trying to apply it to ourselves. And of course, ultimately that fails. Because we're, we're just repeating something that did work once might work for another person, but won't work for everyone else. So, for me, I heard what people said, I was looking at what was happening. But really what I was doing that first month was I was learning about the space, what was going on, I was learning more about the technology of what made nfts different than just selling a digital image. And I think I was one of the first people to bring back addition, the additions were done last year. And when I proposed the idea of additions to people, they're like, Hey, don't do that. No, no, no, like, that's just a race to the bottom, like, now we're going back to stock images. But what I think people forgot, when they're talking about editions was one editions is a great way to be more affordable to more people. And also, when it sells out, or even if you price it right and sell out halfway. You'd get way more money for that image faster than if you had, you know, priced at super high and waited like 810, four years for it to sell. That is not me. I am someone who likes results. And I am someone who, as I said, chose to make photography, my job, and my income, I needed sales. And I know a lot of other people need sales, sales are great. We love sales, I do not support this whole, like starving artists mentality. Because as an artist, I don't want to be starving. Sometimes I am sometimes not. But that's not the goal, the goal isn't to just starve, and Mike's great myself for my art. Like, the goal is to make my art be that ticket to financial freedom, so that I can continue making art and also do other things. And not just, you know, be a slave to marketing myself or things like that. I'm totally rambling, I totally forgot. Okay, Stanley Aryanto - The Wicked Hunt  22:18   all right, you just dropping a lot of inspiration, you know, I love how you would just share a lot of that hardship. And I'm pretty sure a lot of that, you know, I was not sure if you'd notice, but I was like noting the whole way through because like, I know, at some point I was feeling that, you know, and some of the I still feel the same way. So I think a lot of people are going through that same thing. And, you know, being able to, when I started this podcast was that I came across this burnout and I was just want to know, you know, what people gone through to, to be where they are. So hearing people journey, and you know, hearing that peep other people who have succeeded in this space, also come up with the struggle, it really helps me helps them right. So I'm very grateful that you are happy to open that up to us and to share and be vulnerable around that. So, you know, very much very grateful for that. So if we had to think about, you know, what was the hardest moment in in this journey that perhaps, I'm not sure if you ever had a moment where you feel like, you know what, I don't think it's worth it. I'm just gonna quit, or whatnot. But if there is a moment like that, then what what was that moment like? Rachel Wood  23:37   Wow, that's yeah. So despite all of my highlights and wins, I definitely have had moments where I wanted to just sell everything and go to an easy nine to five, boring job. Because having been art like an artist, and travelling as much as I do, it's not stable. It's not easy. Anyone who's ever tried to find a job in today knows that finding a job is really hard. And I have to essentially find a job every single day to work for every week, you know, and so, it's different and it's hard and it does Mentally take a toll on you. One of my first bigger breaks was during COVID You know, I had been travelling a lot and suddenly COVID hit so I went and bought a house in like Oregon. I did not know anyone everything was being shut down. I had no friends. And it was just really hard for me to to readdress to life in one place. And I know that sounds super privileged but it was just the way my brain had been working for the past several years was just constantly moving in and when I was stuck and not being you Well to even experience Oregon, that was hard. I felt like I was just this rainbow sheep of my family far away from it people. And yeah, it was very disconnecting. And I think that really showed me that I am an introvert. But I'm a social introvert and I do need people and human interactions in my life. But with NF T's, I think probably one of my lowest points was actually back in. March, I was driving in my van across the USA, I hadn't had that many sales. And I was stuck at a gas station in the middle of like Kansas or something. And I could see the gas, but I cannot even afford to fill up my tank, because I was broke. And I knew I wanted to get to my friend's place, which was in like the next state over, but I just couldn't make it there. Because I couldn't afford it. And so that's kind of like what I was like really debating on is NF T's worth it? Am I putting my efforts into the wrong place? Like, can I realistically, like, give so much of myself to this NFT community to selling NF T's of my art and things like that, to make it worth my while. And I think that's what a lot of people need to do is they really need to take a hard look at their situation, and know exactly what they want, what their ability is to contribute, and then understand just how much they want it. Because in my opinion, that struggle, the struggle, like some of the hardest times of my life has led to some of the best decisions of my life. Because from that hunger of that physical hunger, as well as that mental hunger of something wanting something better. It pushes people, in my opinion, to do something new. And that's kind of like you asked me a piece of advice. And for me, it's that if you want something more with your life, you have to become something more. And that is like kind of the catalyst. For most of my struggles. When I am in the gutters, when I'm like in the ninth late layer of Dante's hell, I realised I have to change. And change is painful, but it's short term. So when I change, my situation changes when like, I want something to become better, I have to become better. And that's a hard truth to hold with someone within yourself is to like be like, Okay, I'm not good enough, but not dwelling that I'm not good enough. Be like, Okay, well, I'm not where I want to be, because I'm not that person yet. So when I tell this a lot to my people, is when you're thinking about your past, when you're defining who you are right now, by your past wins. You're basically limiting yourself by who you were, instead of being like, what would Rachel do? Or like, what would this because I've accomplished this in the past while does that lead to a better future? I should be really thinking on. If I want to be this in the future. What would they tell me? And they would tell me vastly different things than if I were to my past self. And I think that's something that we can all work on. I still work on it every day to be like, Okay, this is where I want to be. What would they tell me? What would they tell me to do to get to where they are? Yeah. Stanley Aryanto - The Wicked Hunt  28:53   Wow, that's a good piece of advice right there, Rachel? You know, I think there's a saying that, that says, you know, if you think it was from by Albert Einstein or something like that, but you know, if you the definition of insanity is when you try to do the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So if you don't look back on the past, and you look to it as an LED judge your future, as you said, you know, it's essentially doing exactly just that, you know, if it didn't work on the past, well, then it's time to do something different, find a different path, you know, talk to different people. No, you know, thinking about those in the past and let it define your future. So, yeah, like I totally agree with that. You know, that quote, really something that really stuck in my head and I was struggling with that as well actually quite a bit up until last year until I took like a few different like seminars and coaching and so forth. So now, talking about NFT I know we can talk about here You can tell your story here and there. But when you first find out about NFT, what really draw you into an FDA? And what makes you want to be part of this movement? Rachel Wood  30:15   Yeah, so obviously, I think like many people, I was intrigued by this ability to make money off my art. A lot of my friends were in the space in 2021. And, you know, they were having a lot of success, it seemed it was like, pretty easy. And I was just like, Oh, cool. Another way to make some money. Great. So I got in, but I realised it wasn't as easy. And that's when I started. Like I said, Before, I was starting to learn more about what is an NFT? What is the blockchain? Why Aetherium? What exactly does this kind of technology mean? And for me, I thought so excited. I'm not a technology person. I'm like someone you have to explain the something for Dummies books too, because I'm technology is not my friend. But then I got so excited learning about this and learning kind of the steps that have led to what is now NF Ts and NFT art. I was, I realised that this was something that was still happening, still growing. And if I could come in, and help shape the future of what this looks like, I want in like that, to me, it's a matter of not just learning but shaping the future, that better serves us artists that better serves us as individuals, I was like, I would regret not being a part of this movement. And that's kind of like my bigger philosophy in the space. It's not to be, you know, the highest selling photographer, I know, I'm not going to be even if I like killed myself, I pretty sure I won't be. And that's not what I want to be in the space. Like, I want it to be someone who comes in and whose voice is heard. One of the biggest things that a lot of motivating idols of my life have said was, they regret not speaking up louder. They regret not speaking up sooner. And for me, this is exactly my mentality coming into the space. Right now. I'm about building and connecting and listening and learning of what's going on of what's you know, happening and trying to find solutions, I am a results driven person. Like I need those wins, I want those wins, I want those connections in those. Those building blocks that lead to somewhere it can't just like end at a specific transaction. And for me, that is basically my driving force with art. First is after having the wins that I've had in the space, which I'm incredibly thankful for. I realised that I'm not just an artist in this space. I'm a builder, I want to be known as a builder. In this space, I want to connect people, I want to help other people. And I think when you ask any, any creative, like any photographer, really, we love to share the knowledge that we've taken years to acquire and help others. I mean, how many photographers do you know have workshops, how many of them, you know, are always open to you know, sharing what they know and helping someone learn how to take photographs, like we're educators, I mean, we intake information, and we, you know, process it, and then we have to output it somewhere. Sometimes it's in an in an image, sometimes it's in a workshop, sometimes it's in a tutorial, sometimes, you know, it's an email list and PDF forms like you know, recreate. And that sort of drive I think is why so many of us artists are here is we are in taking all of this information of what is happening in the NFT blockchain space. And then we are kind of picking it in and kind of like with the rest of my life, I have to put something out I do not settle. I do not sit. I do not, you know, hold myself back away in the way I did in the past. So, yeah, for me, it's very exciting. I am so excited about everything that's happening and what will happen. And I'm trying to incorporate all of those little bits of information and building something which is my art first community into something that will help other people right now, of course, you have to pay me to get into it. Because I don't have big financial back There's so but this is more grassroots effort of, you know, coming together as artists coming together as collectors and growing and shaping a future that will benefit us artist, you know, helping to establish this art in the metaverse because there is a lot to fts. It's not just photography, and I think a lot of us forget that. And that will become even more. So if I can start. You know, establishing art in a way that is valued in a way that helps people in a way that people can easily get into easily can support and easily connect with each other. That, to me is what this technology is facilitating, is that ability to connect and communicate and have compounding benefits for both sides. Now, I'm rambling. So Yes. Stanley Aryanto - The Wicked Hunt  35:57   Fantastic. Yeah, I love hearing about, you know, your journey and how, you know, the mindset behind the whole NFT as well as the it's a tool, right? I think a lot of people forget that a lot of people think that NF t is just a way to make money that you know, but it's bigger than that, like you say it's just a tool and the tool. The thing that's so exciting that I think many people forget about NFT is that it is is a technology that is still very new in this space that have so many potential on how we apply in, in real life as, as an artist, right? So, yeah, I'm so excited about what the future holds for sure. So you talked about our verse and you know, building a community, and you cannot touch base into different things of you know, what, what you've done, what, what is going in the future? But why not introduce it in a more formal way? What is art verse and what it is that you're, you know, what was the vision behind it and what you're trying to build out of it? Rachel Wood  37:09   Absolutely. So briefly, how it started was when I made my first one on one sale, when remember, when I was talking about how was at a gas station, couldn't afford gas even get to where I needed to go. I decided to drop my first image that I ever sold as a canvas prints the year before. I dropped it on foundation, and I dropped that reserve price to point one. Yeah, it was point one and everyone was like, Don't do it, Rachel, don't do it, you're basically shooting yourself in the foot. Like, you got to stay strong, you got to just you know, maintain that trust and whatever in yourself. And I was like, You know what, I cannot fucking afford, I'm sorry, I cannot afford to wait 10 months for this thing to sell. I need eith now so that I can get to where I need to go. And so, you know, I didn't just throw any image out there, I threw out one of my most beautiful images, in my opinion out there. And it meant a lot to me. And, you know, it was it was a little hard pill to swallow to think that I could sell this image only once for 200 bucks at the time. But you know, it, it ended up being amazing. And I had big wars, the community was pumping me out because it was my first sale. And it fills me with such a sense of gratitude that I had to take what ever I could do and repay back the community in some way. What can I do? Myself that would help other people find that same sense of fulfilment and happiness in sales. And the collector of the piece, Miyama Matt, he basically told me in a message, he was like, Rachel, I wasn't going to spend that much on you. But by the community showing up and hyping you and really supporting this, I went higher. I went higher than I originally thought. And it wasn't because my image was just that much better. It was because of my community. And I realised just how strong that social proof aspect of web three is to sales. I was like, wow, how can I do that? And that's what led to our first. Our first really is a community of artists and collectors where people are trying to do everything on their own. In my opinion, it's a way for artists to find their voice and to elevate their voice in this space. They don't need to speak louder. They don't need to post more. They don't need to like you know, need The best. But how can we elevate them in this space where they can be respected and acknowledged and known. And that comes from a community. So what the art first does, and this is just in the past, in the first month of it being a community is we've had one on one coaching. With artists where they learn how to talk about their art, we get to like deep dive into their social medias and how they're presenting themselves and try to find ways that they can improve their own presence within this space, because I think that's very important. We are artists, but sometimes we don't always present our best foot forward. And that's, that's just normal, that's human. We also have websites and newsletters coming out. We have, you know, a discord going, but I'm terrified of discord. So actually, a lot of the artwork first community are not the biggest fan on Discord. So I've listened to them. And we are actually in the process of making the art first app. I'm playing around with the name of it, but they will be a lot more centralised, into an app with all the benefits of the art verse. One really exciting part is we're creating the ability to have more of these onboarding sessions of were like little modules or lessons that people can actually get answers to. Because you know, on Twitter, we have a lot of spaces, lots of great knowledge, but I hear a space and then I forget it by like the next hour, no matter how amazing it is, like I forget it, I need something that I can go back to that I can, you know, read that I can, you know, listen to again, and not lose all of that really good information within the stream and noise of Twitter. And that's what they are versus it's going to be this centralised point for education and connecting people and artists and collectors, and finding answers, you know, because I think a lot of people who come into the NFT space, they're like, I just talked to my friends. But I don't know what the fuck is happening. Like, like, where do I find this information? Where do I even start? Like, there's so many different people saying different things like, I think for me, that was like, what took me the longest of finding a community in the space was just trying to find information. And so that's, that's a big part of art versus having that centralised Information Resource aspect to the app and you know, to the community. But we're also do like for collectors, if you want to, if you're a collector interested in the art first, a lot of the art first artists will be able to, or they have been offering the collectors of art first discounted prices. And I know that word is a little tricky. But essentially, it's a way that artists can get their work out in front of collectors, before the rest of the public. collectors can know what's happening with these artists that they may like and follow our new artist without the noise of like being forgotten in the Twitter feeds. Because for me battling the algorithms of social media, it sucks. We all know, it's like a whole full time job, even if art is not your career, just to be on Twitter is like a full time job to constantly promote yourself to kind of still like post things that like you know, to engage with other people. It art versus really trying to find ways and systems where they can post things we can engage. But that has compounding benefits in the future where it's like they do it once. And it will be taken forward in a way that really highlights their work. It's not just going to be lost to the ether. So the internet. So that's exciting, lots more coming to it, but can't really talk too much about it. Stanley Aryanto - The Wicked Hunt  44:15   Well, I think you've shared enough and I think the biggest thing you know, the biggest thing that I want the audience to hear is just how I think first of all, how you show I think this is a great case study where you show people that are NFT is not only about sales, right? You utilise the technology of NFT and you build a community around it to not only generate sales but also to benefit other people to help other artists to build a community so that you know you're you're fighting the algorithm which is which everyone hates right I feel like if there is any biggest wall between us and our dreams as an artist, it's the algorithm. So anytime, people saying that we just like, Oh, hallelujah, thanks for that. Right. So, and then, you know, secondly, you, us show people that how important the community is. And I think, you know, coming from the Instagram sort of era where it's more about showing who you are and what you're doing, you know, the web 3.0 is a bit different, it's about, you know, how you can give back to each other. So, that's really good to be able to see that and to have you kind of demonstrate that. But you know, lastly, I think there are a lot of artists out there who are a great artists, a great photographer, and their photos are amazing, but their voice hasn't been heard, they're, you know, the art hasn't been seen, and you are, you know, building something where it can help them and facilitate them to get all that happening. So, wow, you know, that's just, it's so inspiring from somebody who, you know, not sure if art was the thing, don't know what they wanted, you know what she wants to do, getting stuck in a petrol station, not knowing how to get to the next to the destination, and here you are building a community, and it's been something that's quite successful in the NFT space. So massive kudos to you. Now, one thing that I got me wonder, right. You shared some of your hardship, you know, all the struggles and the things that you have to go through to be where you are today. And you also share all of this successes as well, that goes with it. Now, I know that it's not easy to kind of push through all this hardship and get to where you want to be. But what are your motivation? What is there like that one motivation that you always think of? Or you always remember, when basically, everything come and fall apart? What is that one thing that keep you going from day to day and just keep at it to pursue this dream of yours? Rachel Wood  47:21   One is food. I love food and food costs money, and I need money to buy food. That's a fun answer. That's the fun answer. What keeps me going? I think it's a it's a complicated question. Because you know, every day that my purpose and y changes, my goals change and with my goals, changing my purpose has to pivot and change. And for me, I think it's a matter of not wanting to live the same day over and over again, I don't want to wake up in like 10 years and be like, Wow, I cannot qualify my life and more than just what I can do in a week. And for me, that's just kind of my, my blessing and curse is that I cannot settle. I do not like routine. I do not like you know doing the same thing. And that might be my creative soul speaking out. Yeah. But you know, I think for me, it's a matter of the future. I live in the moment I live so fully in the moment, like I tried to practice mindfulness, of being grateful of where I'm at, of what I do have what I have of, you know, really assessing things. But then I also have my eyes set to the future. And I have a lot of hope. Like, I have a lot of hope and belief, and not just photography and not just NF T's but like, in where I want to be in life. I don't want to always be struggling. And I know everyone doesn't want to be struggling. And I know that if I want to change my situation, I need to push hard. And that's okay. Because I love working. I think people see discomfort as a bad thing they see work as a bad thing. But even as a kid, I love doing homework. I love doing what I do, even if like the task itself is not very exciting or like worth it, in my opinion. If I know it's a stepping point to where I want to go done. It's happening. So, there's this I think it's the Marines who say, when your body is ready to give up when your mind is telling you you cannot go further. You're only about 45% of the way there you have, what is it 55% more capacity to keep going. And I think that's something that I really hold strongly for myself. That's the standard. That's a life mindset that I hold to myself where I'm like, okay, when I'm ready to throw my computer against the wall, and I'm ready to like, delete the Twitter app, or, you know, stop backpacking or whatever, I have to remind myself that I'm not even halfway to my potential, I'm not even halfway to what I actually can achieve. And that pushes me, because it's like that, that saying, You have to believe in yourself, because no one else will, I think there should also be the follow up, you have to push yourself, because no one else is going to push you harder than you are going to push yourself. And if you don't push yourself, like, Yes, there'll be other people rooting you on and supporting you. But if you're just writing on the support of others, you're not going to achieve anything more than what they believe in you. And that is dangerous, as so dangerous to live your life based on what other people think of you, and what other people expect of you. And I'm not going to go into it. But due to some childhood things, I realised that I could not listen to people, even people I trusted, even people in positions of power, I did not want to give them that I have power to define who I could be. So that's where I have a lot of faith and hope and belief in myself. And that drives me forward. Even when I have rough days. Even when I have impostor syndrome days, I remind myself that I am 55% able to keep pushing, I can keep going. Because there is much more within me, even if sometimes that answer or action is unknown. I know there's so much more inside of me that I can do. So that's yeah, long story short. Stanley Aryanto - The Wicked Hunt  52:09   Wow. You know, I'd, I totally can relate to that thing, you know, it. And sometimes the people who are closer closest to us are the one that's, that's the most dangerous to listen to right? Now, because they not because they don't want us to be succeed. But it's, it's because of that, it's because they're, they love us. And they speak from the love, right? And they don't want us to ever suffer. But if you never suffer, then you're never going to expand and grow. So it's I think it's a big mindset that our parents perhaps because I know, like, you know, my parents, she, you know, they had to, you know, like, work a lot to be able to raise us and give us a comfortable life. And you know, just like what you say, you know, they, they sometimes they don't know where the next money gonna come from, you know, to provide and stuff like that. So I think you know, out of that, they don't want their kids to ever felt that again. Right. But yeah, like, you know, if you if you have that mindset, then you're right, like, we just gonna hit that, that limitation of what of that belief system. So it's absolutely important to just stick through with your dreams and just keep going. Yeah, that's amazing. Well, Rachel, you know, it's been a great chat. It's been so many inspiration just talking to you. And this is what I love this podcast, right? I really get to know the person behind what they the 160 characters that they put out on social media, you know, so I really appreciate this. This, you know, getting to know you through this podcast, and I'm sure our listener would too. You have mentioned, you know, usually asked this question about, you know, that one piece of advice, but you have mentioned that one piece of advice. Is there anything that you want to add in terms of the one piece of advice that you would tell your younger self, if you if you could? Rachel Wood  54:08   Well, okay, so right now, I just had my birthday. I'm 28 years old, and thank you. And my goal for this year is growth. That's my that's my word of this year. Last year, it was pivot. And that was just so that I could pivot into whatever was happening. That's how I got into NF T's. I was like, Okay, this is something I'm pivoting into, I'm gonna lean into it. But now I found a place that I feel really happy and confident and and I'm like, Okay, I'm here. How can I grow? So my last two little bits of advice as my My top sort of missions for this year is, I need to do something right. I don't need to do it right now. And that gives me the permission to take my time to not FOMO into things to, you know, really give myself the grace to do it, right. Because you know, everyone works at a different pace, I take a lot longer to do something, which is why I'm always on. And people like, Oh, you do so much. I'm like, Yeah, because I'm just constantly chipping away at this massive boulder to carve something that I want to have a thing of beauty, in my opinion, and it takes time, little knock by the chisel at a time. So doing something right does not mean doing something right now. My second piece of advice I would tell my younger self. And I've learned this recently was that I think a billionaire, I forget who it was, he said that there's going to be doors, that slam in your face all the time, you're going to have failures, like there's going to be things that just don't work out for you. But you have to keep going. That's the first piece of advice. The second follow up is that you have to show up every single day, with the same amount of energy you had in the beginning. Because, you know, it doesn't mean you have to be heavy and fun and rosy all the time. But it just means you have to give everything you do with the same enthusiasm. And that's what I tried to do, I try to go things at it in a way that even if my past decisions and actions were kind of failures, I'm still going, like, I'm not going to get downtrodden yet sometimes, you know, I feel, but most of the time I keep pushing myself to show up with the same passion and drive and you know, bubbliness as I can. And that has helped me, you know, just to keep going forward. Stanley Aryanto - The Wicked Hunt  57:08   That is a great, you know, couple of great advices there. And well first of all, I didn't know it's your birthday. So happy, happy birthday to you. Because that's great. So thanks a lot for you know, for everything that you've shared with us for opening up, you know, your struggles, and you know, all of these things that that people would have realised that success is not it's not, you know, a finger snap that you have to work on. And like you say you have to be consistent every single day with the same amount of energy. You know, because it's, it's, it's easy to be excited at first, but it's hard to be consistent. And it's easy to be consistent. But it's hard to be consistent with the high energy so, man like it's a tough job. Right. But I think that's it's it's it's not it's not complicated the road to success, but it is not easy. Well, Rachel, it's been really fun conversation I love I love you know, hearing all your stories, getting to know who you are, as an artist as well as as a person. And I very much appreciate, you know, your your time to set aside, you know, after your birthday party to be here with us. For people who cannot want to learn about, you know, what is our verse or who you are and some of the art that you are working on or you're planning to work on, what is the best way to get to know you and find you? Rachel Wood  58:36   Well, you can find me on Twitter, and right now my name is a little bit crass. But it's 0x Wonder bitch, and the reason why it's wonder bitch is because whenever I told people, I'm a photographer, and I travel, they always look at my Instagram. And then they're like, Oh, you you take pictures. Oh, they're so good. I'm like, Yeah, what do you think I just said, and I think the idea is that they think I'm some sort of like influencer model. And I'm like, No, four foot nine of me is not in front of the camera. I do not flow around fluffy dresses all the time, which are beautiful shots. I don't fault them, but that's not me. And so, you know, I've met several people who are like, Oh, I'm a wonder babe. I'm like, Are you really? I know. I see you laughing. But it's like I travelled to very remote places. I push myself physically to get to some of these places where it's like backpacking for days or things like that. And it's not just camping gear, it's camera gear, so it's extra heavy. And for me, my Twitter name is kind of like a little dig. Where I'm like, I am a wonder babe. I wonder all the time I travel I I love travelling and exploring the world but I'm also a bitch because it's Uh, so that you know it just something different, you know, something that I was like, this makes me feel better. But you can find me as the travelling elf, like the travelling Elf on Instagram. That's fun. I don't, I'm not nearly as active on it anymore, but um, I still sometimes post stories of what I'm doing. And if you want to learn more about the art first, the art first website is art first project.com You can also find it on under the Twitter handle art first project as well. But uh, yeah, we're minting right now, the second expansion for a membership is live right now, which is really fun to see a bunch of new people joining. And we actually have an NFT treasure hunt coming up on July No, June 30. And July 1, Art first holders are able to join and actually win NF T's for free. Some of them are like blogging Academy to Johnny melons, mint pass. Incredible, incredible successful man who's been able to make a living from his blogging, he knows his stuff. And that's, that's an incredible ability to win something like that for free. We have like cybersecurity books we have like the first sci fi book ever mentioned to the blockchain as one of the prizes that people can find we have art from a lot of the art fairs holders. And that's just a few of the things like we have a lot of fun stuff in this NFT treasure hunt that we are doing. But let's just you know, just the fun opportunity that we bring to the art first holders. There's much, much more to it than that. But you know, we're also still growing. And it's just been amazing. Just seeing how the artworks has grown. So, yeah, people can who want to come in at the super, super low price of 0.0 Aetherium can come in. But the price does raise on July 1, just because the cost of running art first is a lot. And we want to be able to continue providing benefits and perks and goodies to our holders. Stanley Aryanto - The Wicked Hunt  1:02:24   That's exciting. That is That's amazing. And I love your little back story of the Wonder bitch absolutely enjoyed that. I know. You know, I usually mute my mic when I when when you talk because sometimes it can be distracted by others is loving. So my partner's, like sleeping upstairs like it's, it's been such a pleasure, Rachel, thank you very much for being here and sharing all this and for everything you've done with, you know, to the community. You know, I I joined in your second month I missed out on the first man because I was in Nepal at that time. So when I came down, I was like, oh, okay, it's everything exciting always happen, apparently always happen when I'm away. It's really annoying. But yeah, I'm glad that I can be part of it, you know, through through the second minute. So that's how we actually connect. So yeah. All right, well, Rachel, I know your your time is limited, and you're busy with everything else that you're trying to build and make impact in this world. So we're just gonna wrap this up. And like I say, one is, you know, give you a sincere gratitude to for let you share this story of yours and bring some inspiration to those who might not dare you and who been wondering if they're on the right path. Thank you very much for being here, Rachel. Yeah, appreciate that. Rachel Wood  1:03:58   Thank you so much, Stanley, for having me on. I really appreciate just having this time to, you know, share a little bit more of who I am. I know sometimes I focus so much on others and trying to raise others. I do forget myself sometimes. So it's been nice. It's been really nice. Just to talk with you. Yeah, I'm Stanley Aryanto - The Wicked Hunt  1:04:17   glad you you have that, you know, you feel you feel that way. You know, I think a lot of times we're so focused about content and sales that we forgot to share our story, you know, and that's, that's actually how I get inspired to follow photography is from people's story. So, you know, I think our story has a lot, a lot of impact other than our art as well as our project. So well we can this thank you very much for tuning in. And I hope you are you know, taking a lot of notes there because there's a whole bunch of wisdom and advices that you know, Rachel has dropped it was it was such a great conversation and don't forget to subscribe and Leave us a little comment below and so that you don't miss out on the next guest and the next podcast but with that being said I'll see you guys in the next week have a wicked wicked week and I'll see you later bye  

Theme: 7 Rules of Jumping into NFTs for new collectors With so many about to jump into the Coinbase NFT platform, we thought it would be good to throw out some helpful tips/rules… Beware scams and rugsDouble-check website, discord official links, and other NFT platforms to confirm a collection ETH in hot wallets is riskyGAS accidents Chips in a casino vs cash in checking/hand Pretend to buy your first three NFTs and see how they would have done Opportunity cost - avoid FOMO by finding another option for something to buy Know your timeline to hodl or ffdl Define your methodology. Judge the team, community, art and utility Slow down, beware hot tips, usually means it has peaked. Most collections will go to 0. There will be another opportunity Affordable project: Past Project run-down - Keep us honest. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YmmUbz4ru4qovrbxv44zREyQGQIg8Fvsdck9fotzfnk/edit#gid=0  NFT NewsRantum NFT Market Data,  Cryptoslam.io NFT Headlines: Optimism Announces the Much-Awaited OP Token and Airdrop Non-Fungible Heroes NFT Project Signs With WME  Aku Ethereum NFT Launch Ends With $34M Locked in Flawed Smart Contract - Decrypt  Rough Transcript [00:00:00] Today on all about affordable NFTs. We're talking about the seven rules of jumping into NFTs for new collectors. We know there's a lot of new Coinbase NFT platform, people jumping off that waiting list and jumping into a very interesting world of, you know, buying, selling, holding, flipping, surviving NFTs. [00:00:20] So excited to share some of our rules that might just help you. And also if you've been collecting for a bit first off, Andrew, what he's in news. [00:00:30] Hey, George Juliet. Let's see. What are we looking at out here? We've got what we talked about. This one, we've got optimism. One of the layer twos that saves you a lot on gas. They have announced. Oop he token airdrop or I'm sorry. I think it's the Opie token. But it's the token airdrop is announced. [00:00:51] They haven't actually released the token yet, but you can go on and check the amount that that maybe you are eligible for other various qualifications in here. I do like some of the things that they've done, they wanted to both check if you've used the optimism network. But also check if you've done things like vote on No snapshots on. [00:01:11] And I'm sorry if they, if you've contributed to get coins of their multipliers, if you've done multiple of these actions and those really add up. So we don't know what the value of this yet, but it is the value of the token yet, but it sounds like this will be a relatively substantial Airdropped for a lot of people and it should bring some liquidity to those options. [00:01:33] Those people that are on optimism. One note that I happened to notice the the the NFT network quixotic it's the optimism. NFT platform saw it's biggest day in volume by a large share after the news that that was coming. So there's not a lot there that interests me quite yet, but it is maybe something to, to just keep an eye on and maybe familiarize yourself with if you know, if you are getting any of that optimism, token, it could be a fun thing to to check out later on. [00:02:05] oh, I moved some money in and out of it, but I don't know if I did enough of the checklist for I'm on. [00:02:10] like the app. I can't find it, but I'm the I'm excited and, you know, we kinda knew it was coming. Well, we'll say, have you checked if you're getting any, [00:02:17] Yeah, I did. And I did qualify. So I'll say I'll get the link for so you can check this here and you can connect your wallet or put the or put another wallet address in and check that. And we'll put that in the notes. So it's exciting. [00:02:30] I drop into our discord. You'll go, well, we'll put it there and I didn't get any, I didn't, I'm not eligible. I didn't do enough. Only two transactions. I didn't go vote on. yeah, optimism, user repeat optimism, user download or multisig centers. Yeah. Donated to get coin and priced priced out of the theorem. [00:02:48] I don't even know what that means. Anyway, [00:02:50] yeah, it was, if you've moved it, if you've moved east to other layer twos, if you've used polygon and stuff. So there were other bonuses in there. Another note here is that they announced this will be the first airdrop. They do have future airdrops plan. So if you did not qualify for this, you know, not worth just It will maybe worth still using the network to qualify for a future one. [00:03:11] I think that's a great model actually, to reward people that have used it and incentivize new users. I think this could be, we're going to see a lot of, of airdrops I think coming up with these layer twos they've had a good discussion on this on bank list on the potential layer to. Wars and how they may use airdrops to incentivize usage. [00:03:34] So you know, I think it's definitely worth taking a look at you know, if it's, you know, I'm willing to to take some of their, their marketing spend as a user and, and give them a shot. [00:03:44] Yeah. And just to be clear when we talk about layer twos, I guess for the most part at the layer two is something built on layer one, but in the context of what we're talking about right now, it's layer two is built on a theorem specifically. [00:03:55] good point. Yeah. Especially on this episode is we're talking about some, some, some new things. Let's a it's a generally a much cheaper network use and Ethereum much faster. They use optimism in particular roles up many of these transactions. So they combined them into one. And then confirm these in one transaction on Ethereum, so that you get the security of having it on the Ethereum network while reducing the fees that have to be paid. [00:04:19] In optimism's case. Case the fees that you still pay a fee, there's still a big savings. So the savings that they take are put into the the public public goods portion of this, they, they use the funds to pub, to The fund public goods may S basically meaning developers, building different tools that could be used by the entire network and that are kind of needed to bring new people in. [00:04:46] So it's, you know, ideally a, a sort of a flywheel where you're using the, the funds that are saved to build new apps, bring new people in, get more people using it and increase the fees to give back to the public good society of that network. So very interesting to see here. I think we'll see more. [00:05:03] Definitely go check out if you are eligible and maybe move some ether over there, if you park and you know, be eligible for the next one. [00:05:10] Yeah, that's a good that's a good tip there. Next you have fungible heroes and if ti project signs with WME and I believe this was a past featured project of ours and non-potable heroes, right. [00:05:22] Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I thought we should mention this one. It's a, it is a past project we've mentioned. They started with, they signed with a big entertainment agency. There had been rumors of this for awhile. So there's definitely good. Seen some, some new action there. I don't know. I know a lot about what may be coming. [00:05:40] You know, I'm sure there's rumors going around the discord and all, but nothing official of, of you know, anything announced yet. But you know, we've seen some other. Collections get involved with entertainment agencies and, you know, it does give an option for for new things to come out of it. [00:05:56] You know, whether it's in film or some sort of you know, I don't know if more of a online entertainment thing, you know, that seems to be the, the play they've been going here. They published a comic book recently, and I think they have plans for another one. So could see it going that route as well. [00:06:12] Yeah worth taking a look at the floor for non-refundable heroes. The gods is at 0.07 and unfundable heroes is 0.09. If I'm reading these numbers. Right. So still in the range of affordable, but we'll be going through a spoiler, our affordable project. Keep us honest, or we're going to meet backtrack on some of those pieces. [00:06:30] So you just got your update on the. We jumped on it early. [00:06:33] Yeah. [00:06:34] This next one, this next one breaks my heart. [00:06:37] Oh, this is a tough one. So we've got a, let's see the acoustic dreams project launched in minted and it was already priced at the bleed out for Eve to get into this. It was the act Utah. Several years actually to our dreams. But anyway, there's 34 million spent on this. They were trying to do a true Dutch auction that would allow everyone to pay the same price. [00:07:02] Everyone would get everybody that paid over the final asking price would be refunded. But unfortunately the, it was not coded well. And. There's 44, 30 $4 million essentially locked away that nobody can access now. So that was the refund or I'm sorry, it's not the refunds. It's the total that was taken in by the, by the project I believe. [00:07:23] Is that right? George? [00:07:24] That's correct. In terms of the smart contract and just the guitars. This was a 3d avatar project based on Akio the original character created by a former major league baseball player, Mike and Johnson. Was inspired and thus then created a character who is a young black boy that dreams of becoming an astronaut inspired by an actual question he got from his nephew. [00:07:47] So it's like a really great story narrative here of someone bringing certainly a different perspective and audience into the land of NFTs and then a poorly coded contract. Some of the details of that, I think I almost understood it was effectively that they. You know, expected to unlock after X number of transactions, right? [00:08:07] So there's going to be 5,400 whatever transactions. And that didn't account for some people that I don't know, minted more than one in one transaction minted, two mints at three. So they never hit that number, but now all the things are gone, so they can't get more transactions. And so in forever lands, like there's 34 million worth of Eve burned and gone. [00:08:26] And, you know, they're, they're left, needing to, to refund and go about, you know, how, how you Yeah. So, I mean, unfortunately he Mike Johnson is a very successful, successful artist in the space and has brought in a lot through a, another, I think it's KU chapters of project. They are saying that they're going to, you know, make this, make this right. But obviously that is that's $34 million. [00:08:52] It could have been going towards the development of this project. And there was a lot of excitement around it. And I, you know, I'm not saying that it's, that it's done, but it's certainly a big challenge. And, you know, it's really just to pad to see because it's, you know, it is a, you know, it was a poorly coded contract, but regardless it's a, it's an unfortunate outcome. [00:09:09] Yeah, it's just, you know, we were talking about, it always seems like there's just so much news going on all the time. And I think that's in large part because we don't talk about. errors that happen in web two, we don't talk about, oh, you know, such and such, you know, site that no one really cares about wind down. [00:09:26] You're like, all right. Yeah. Went down. It was some errors. However, in web three applications, when you make a mistake, it means that your drop can literally burn millions and millions and millions of dollars to a level of which gets to a newsworthy piece. So every week it seems like, you know, if there's a hack, if there's a mistake, The stakes are just much higher in the land of what? [00:09:47] Three. [00:09:48] Yeah, the big stakes here and yeah. Always try new things and there's a danger with that, but why don't we run down some of our past affordable projects? You know, we mentioned one here already, but I think we've got some new things to, to get onto. [00:10:04] We do. So we will try to keep this somewhat quick because I'll just be honest. It took me like, I just buried my head for a month and I didn't have the time and energy to go and update the, like, you know, 60, some odd projects that we've got in here. But overall here's the game, right? We're we're tracking the date of when we actually had it on the podcast. [00:10:21] So then it's the assumed you by the floor or whatever our note is. And then you just held it. We don't even have like, oh, you sold it at its peak. Maybe we can go back and be like, oh, if he had perfect knowledge. But it's just, if you had bought it and held it. And so the total gain would have been 2.5 eith a gain of 144% on your overall piece. [00:10:42] So it's kind of, you know it's interesting and it's fun to look at. And also I think it helps me just look at it and I think everyone should do this themselves. Every time you look at a provider. Oh, I think I might buy this. I think I might buy this and we'll get this into some of our tips, like keep a track of it. [00:10:59] Cause it's very sobering. When we look back, we're not going to cover them, but there's some, you know, there's some misses in here and we, we aim small, Ms. Small, but we also invest small. So we lose small. And I think that's an important framework for, you know, all about affordable thinking. And so that said we'll go into. [00:11:20] Nifty Lee DGN. This is down off of its peak currently at 0.33, when I looked at it I don't know if there's anything new with regard to like comics we talked about that came out or pieces they're working on their. [00:11:33] I haven't heard much newer to them. It's not one that I'm very excited about at this point. I sort of moved on with that one and, you know, I think we've seen a, I don't know, we saw them try out the plater earn model and it definitely had some excitement. I think we've seen I don't know a lot of people move on from this play to earn excitement. [00:11:53] Not saying it's done, but it definitely isn't. As high in article's list. And I think that nifty, we be Gen-Z is sort of one of the other people that have tried this, and it's going to be a challenge. You know, we've talked about the challenges with, with these gaming things anyway. So it doesn't look great in my opinion, but who knows? [00:12:10] It could turn around. [00:12:11] You really don't and I think there's actually a really great lesson here of any game promise in a roadmap because they actually delivered the game. I went and played it. I moved my little character around and I bounced off the walls and it was amusing. And then I was like, do I really want to play? Like, I'll just be honest, a flash version of a game of me running around. [00:12:30] Or do I want to go jump on my Oculus and go do something more dynamic? Yeah. No. I think the brutal truth may be that, you know, layering in a web to game with your avatar running around. [00:12:40] in a, in an interface is like it's fun once, but does that really drive utility with a capital? I don't know. But we're both still holding at that's a quick summary there running down the list I say with Zed, they have a token drop coming. [00:12:56] The snapshot has already been taken, so that may open up a whole lot of new, interesting pieces of the price of courses is hilariously low. The legendary Nakamoto that I would have recommend you getting would have lost you point to eith. So I'm sorry to anyone who took that advice, but I think it's important to note that. [00:13:15] Long Zed, but I think I have to make it much longer. We had the sandbox in here which is up from one where it recommended it. But as down, certainly from its high, which is interesting to watch the sandbox come back down. So it peaked when we were tracking it, you know, about 3.3, I think it got up a little higher than that. [00:13:32] And it's currently trading at 1.6. You know, we talked about the sandbox land and that land issue. You know, as, as number go up when it comes to number of land plots, other things go down and in terms of price what's next, when you want to talk about Andrew [00:13:46] You know, we we've got some that we've just recently mentioned on here, so I don't think it's worth getting into those. Let's see. Red [00:13:54] The stars. I have a stars has been up and down and that's one that I keep looking at because I think it's one that well, I shouldn't say even up and down, it really hasn't moved all that much, you know, because it is such a low price, but I think that is you know, that's a relatively good thing for a, a project that is still. [00:14:11] Ricky reputable. So I dunno, it's still one that I keep coming back to and think maybe, maybe that could get some more attention at some point. [00:14:19] Yeah. [00:14:19] see they're out. But when it, yeah, you're right. When we look at this, there's a lot of things that just aren't. You know, they are great. And I wouldn't recommend them at this point. [00:14:28] In many cases, you know, and, and you know, I think that's something to kind of keep in mind and you know, how many of these projects are just, I don't know, lingering aren't going anywhere. And I think we have to kind of keep. keep that in mind as we go forward and picking projects, you know, are these things. [00:14:45] And I don't think that we're usually saying they're likely to take off, but you know, is it worth it at some of these with some of these small projects? And it has me thinking a little bit more. [00:14:55] Yeah, it's again, it's great to sort of look at it in the rear view mirror and maybe we'll go next time and say like, you know, would you still look at it? I made notes in here for that. I would say one thing that I've seen moving a little bit is the the Wagner w GMI, the, that sort of access to a tracking thing that we frankly love. [00:15:15] And. 0.3, three, last time I checked and you know, that, that was an interesting interesting one because it has utility. And also we're looking at utility in the sense that maybe as more. [00:15:27] people jump in and need to track more projects might be a play, but there's a lot of those coming out. I'll say in terms of, Hey, finally, a way to look at all of your all of your portfolio. [00:15:36] Yeah, I think that's that's good to keep in mind. There are, you know, just because something is doing something now you've got to remember, will they be the ones or will they be the only one doing that? Will they be the leader in that area? And that's something that I'm trying to keep in mind going forward here. [00:15:53] Know, maybe we could get into some of the discussion in another, another episode, but, you know, I think if it is good to look back through this and see, you know, what has you know, what has been a success, what hasn't. And I think it's, you know, we'll also get into some of the, our rules to keep in mind when you're doing this, because, you know, you've got to know your timeline and, and understand what your, you know, what you hold and, and kind of what you're looking for out of the project. [00:16:18] And in many cases, [00:16:20] Yeah, last one. I'll say, cause I could go on for, I mean, I actually keep up on a lot of these, but I'll, I'll leave it with human park actually had their drop, which was a really cool interactive metaverse type of style coming out of the land of. Zed, but it's a different project being run by that, that studio over there. [00:16:37] But the floor is currently pointing to three, five, but frankly was zero. They dropped it for free. All you had to do is design one and they sent it to you. So, you know, the cost basis can't be beat. And I also think there's something to be said for the original batch of these nudes as they call them these avatars that are part of the original batch. [00:16:56] And so it's still affordable if you missed it. I still think there's a window and they have a, a pretty impressive. At a pretty impressive start and roadmap out of them. knew that you would not throw a dart out here. Should we get into it? [00:17:07] I think let's get into our rules, our seven rules of jumping into NFV fees for all those new collectors coming in. Huh? [00:17:16] Okay, let's do it. Number one, be aware of scams and rugs. We talk about this quite a bit, but this means to me that when you are looking at pressing mint or pressing buy on whatever platform you're looking at, you should double check the site. You should. Double-check the discord official links section official links section. [00:17:34] You should go on to other platforms, other NFT platforms, and just confirm that that collection looks like the collection that you're buying in. And always assume the first thing you have found when searching on open seat is a scam because the scams are literally optimizing themselves to show up in that feed. [00:17:52] I think that's a good number one. [00:17:54] Yes, scams are everywhere. Everywhere. Don't click on links ever. I mean, [00:18:01] Don't trust us, Trust us, [00:18:03] trust there. If I don't trust there, if [00:18:06] trust, but verify. [00:18:07] know, really verify, you know, make sure that you, so there's a lot of things you can do. You can look at the contract. If you're trying to admit something, get the contract address, go into ether, scan, put it in there. [00:18:18] If you like, this is, if you don't understand what that means, don't mint. Don't mint. Okay. If you do make sure that you're looking at the current. Address and just check that there's actually activity there. That's a big, big, a very easy way to just see that it is a valid contract. And if you aren't sure in any situation, I mean, there's situations where you're getting the link directly from discord and you see it as official links and it matches up with everything else. [00:18:44] Well, you just do it three times, but assume that there's someone trying to scam you every time you do something and in NFTs, [00:18:52] Correct. Yeah. Check the domain you're going against. And so even after saying this, you're probably not checking enough. Number two, ease in hot wallets is risky. What do I mean? The amount of ease that you're carrying around in your wallet, in your hot wallet, while it just means that the thing that you're using to authenticate on different sites, we know we talked about web three applications, like. [00:19:12] Is if that can be immediately quickly accessed, anytime you click a click, a contract. And so that, you know, one thing could be gas accidents, meaning that like, oh gosh, my gas I had, I was playing with my settings or it's a, it was a weird time to buy something and gas was absurdly high and was like twice the price of the thing I was trying to buy, but I had to buy it so quickly. [00:19:31] I just clicked because we're trained to click quick. And so one of the things that can save you and does it happen to me is like, I don't keep much in my hot wallet and I accidentally pressed the thing that would have been an extra thousand dollars in gas. And like had I had that in there, it would have cost me that much that transaction would have gone through. [00:19:50] So I actually deliberately keep a small amount or a smaller amount of E in my hot. Just for that sort of, you know, to thine own self be true. Cause I clicked quickly. The other mentality piece here is that having Ethan in a hot wallet is kind of like running around with chips at a. You're just a little bit more like likely to quickly put it on black by this quick thing you can FOMO in so fast. [00:20:15] Oh, it's right here. But if you have to force yourself to move from system one to system two, thinking, meaning you take more than 30 seconds to think about it. It can, it can force you. So think about that, that kind of difference. Any other nuance on this tip? [00:20:30] Yeah, I think that, I mean, that's like in part is, is good. Just a mentality that you don't have it right there available. It takes a little bit extra. He even takes maybe some, some gas to actually have to move it, not such a bad thing. And just separating things, you know, even as a, you know, putting it all in one, one. [00:20:48] It means that if that wallet, if something happens to that wallet, you're really at risk having five separate wallets, not such a bad thing. If one does get hacked, not saying that, you know, you want one to get ever get heck, but it is, you know, it's a way to, and to help help keep yourself a little bit safer. [00:21:06] Okay. Number three, pretend to buy your first three NFTs and see how they would have done do your own. Keep your, you know, keep yourself on. Hypothetically do it. You know, when I was when I was a kid actually like I think some of us had this like go, you know, you had this pretend stock, stock picking and stock market where you'd like, pick your thing and track it. [00:21:27] I think you should do the same thing and just realize what would have happened, you know, give yourself a budget and be like, I'm going to hypothetically, you know, start my own investment thing and I'm going to put three down. I'm going to put one eighth into it and then see how you would have done. And I think you'll realize like, oh my gosh, if you just get rubbed once you're like, well, this is interesting. [00:21:44] What did I miss? What did I get? Right. So I would say play it as a game first before you play it with with real, with real stakes, if possible. [00:21:52] Yeah, absolutely. I think that is, you know, it, it helps you to understand where you're buying it. Are you buying it at the right point? Are you just doing it? Because it was pumped by an influencer at the right time, or you being somebody else, you know, are you there exit liquidity as, as, as often said, you know, you don't want to be in that situation and learn if you are following the right people. [00:22:13] And that is, you know, that's not easy to say who the right people are. It takes time. I would say to, to understand, and I, I don't know. On social media, but who are you looking at? Who are the people that you trust in the space and go slowly because you know, the people that are worth trusting, aren't going to make it are generally going to just show up and tell you that it's a FOMO event. [00:22:35] You know, and maybe that's getting into our next one. Here is FOMO certainly plays a part in this game. [00:22:41] I think for FOMO, it is, it is the currency. It's the emotional currency of a lot of these projects. And so one thing to think about anytime you're about to buy is consider the opportunity cost of that money. Let's say you're going to mend something for 0.3. Well, look at least several other projects that are out there. [00:22:59] That what else could you get for points? You know, could you go and get an avatar, look through our affordable list and be like, there's still some stuff there that might be worth shopping. It may not be as hyped in the moment. It may be in a cooler sort of state in terms of launching what's going. But I would say, look at look at that to tie it, try to tamp down your FOMO. [00:23:20] I know for sure this would have helped me so much. If one of my rules is just like, before you buy, what else could you buy with this money to spend five minutes? Well, and then suddenly it was like, oh, because what's going to happen is you get sucked into another rabbit hole and then you get to like compare next [00:23:36] that's a good point. There's always another collection. There's then there's another one coming. They're making more of these things. There may be some rarity to that in that collection in itself, but there's another collection coming and you can keep your teeth ready for that. [00:23:50] No, your timeline, just going into a project. Are you going to hold all this thing or photo of this thing? I mean, fold for dear life, you know, you're just trying to flip for deal life or hold it. So it's just a mentality and just acknowledge that. [00:24:01] upfront. I can, I can say I make the error of getting into a thing and then getting too attached to it and not flipping it when I probably should have. [00:24:09] Yeah, I think that's really. And to put in there, you know, are you trying, are you looking at this as a short-term flip, are you looking at this as something that you're ready to hold for, you know, for a year or longer and try to understand that when you're buying it, because it really, you know, if you do think it's a short-term flip and the price goes wrong, you know, maybe that is time to just go ahead and get. [00:24:28] Quickly because it's not one that you want to be holding for it long-term at that point. And you know, it's too bad, but sometimes you do have to do that, you know, on the other hand, it's I like getting into ones that I'm much more comfortable holding for a year. And oftentimes those. Going to appreciate quite as fast for whatever reason they're there. [00:24:48] They're slower. They aren't the quick ones. It seems, you know, we do see that momentum plays a big a big role in NFTE. So those longer ones don't always get that that same mentality from everyone. [00:25:00] next one. I have. Come up with your own rubric, consider what your rubrics is. The checkbox of that you have, we have a checklist that involves judging the team, judging the community, the art and the utility, some combination of that saying, okay, there's a balance here. And sometimes it's weighted toward one or the other, but come up with your rubric of what you think and then try to apply it and just acknowledge that like, oh, this checks some of these boxes, but maybe I'm compromising on the team, which is not done. [00:25:29] Okay. That's minus one. So, you know, have some fun and develop your own methodology. [00:25:34] Yeah, absolutely. And think about how, what you also have, you know, you don't need to obsess illegally, double or triple down and have different the same, or have collections that are doing the same thing over and over. If you, if you have some that are much more focused on art, you may want. And I've made a better portfolio and have some that are more utility-based, you know, and start thinking about those. [00:25:56] But I would say, always look at the team behind the project, no matter what that is extremely important. Look at that team. We've talked about whether docs or undocks is the right way to go. There are, you know, in most cases we believe docs is way better and certainly having a, a track record of success. [00:26:15] Pretty much a requirement. So look for these things and no matter what you do, make sure that it's a team that's going to stick around and be at this. [00:26:23] Love it. And you got a number seven for us. [00:26:25] Yeah. Well, I mean, maybe it's just putting a lot of these together, but slow down, you gotta slow down, be aware of the hot tips. There's people telling you things that are, they are telling you this to get you to do something in the moment. Feel like you got to go, go buy that right away. Cause there's only so much time. [00:26:44] And it turns out at the same time they're actually selling happens all the time. Be careful and really slow down and think, is it something that you want to hold? You know, as we've mentioned, is there another option out there? Most of these collections are going to go to zero. We're going to see if there's, there's going to be some big winners. [00:27:02] We've seen some huge winners and we've seen some, some mediocre winners and we've seen so many scams and some, so many legit projects that just aren't going to make it and it's too bad, but you've got to know that and be. Just be wary, slow down. Take your time. [00:27:21] Yeah. And I would say even, not even the malfeasance there, cause it Can come from a friend who's intends to hold, but here's, here's the, the social nuance of somebody giving you a hot tip. It means that the project is getting toward a boiling point, a tipping point, a social proof layer that enough people have told a friend to tell a friend. [00:27:40] That, you know, not saying it's a Ponzi scheme, but there's a point at which that falls off the edge and new buyers aren't coming in. And so if somebody is giving you this sort of excited tip, like, oh, go do this thing right now. How many people you have to just realize, have been told the same thing prior to you hearing us, which means where are you on the hype cycle of this project? [00:28:00] And a lot of times I've found that even I'll just shout out to myself when I've gotten really excited about a project, that's like hype, it's like pumping. I'm like, oh my God, everyone's talking. Yeah. I'm not the first to know. I'm not the one who knows at that level. I'm usually when I'm the one, I'm the one who gets it. [00:28:16] Right. Like even with the gray boys, I just got lucky. I threw a dart at that and it would probably be like, we're going back to that. One of the better hits. But I got lucky with that. I didn't know anything. I was like, I guess like, all right. If that thing goes up, that thing will go up. I didn't know, in the moment. [00:28:29] So keep in mind. If somebody is excited saying, you have to do this now, it probably means 1700 other people have already followed suit and you might be at the like price you. [00:28:41] know, price, inflection point, which is a dangerous place to play. [00:28:45] Yeah, that's a good point. No, that you are generally not the first one to hear the news. So there are other people playing on that news and selling on the house, on the news, on the room or whatever it may be. We know that a hype is a big thing in NFTs. And the news when it is delivered is often not, not so not so good for a pro projects, Bryce. [00:29:06] Well, that's what we got for you. We always remind you in the show closing, but you know, don't risk, which you can't afford to lose. Andrew. You said it most, I will say it pretty confidently. 90% of the projects are going to go to zero. And even you can look at our, our list are our scoreboard. You can look at it. [00:29:25] We kind of know a little bit about this stuff, I'd say. And even still with us throwing darts that are somewhat informed as best we can look, we, we missed on some of these, you know, they're, they're down, some are out. But it's fun. So keep in mind, these are JPEGs on the internet that we call web three, Andrew. [00:29:46] Thanks for helping us with this. [00:29:48] All right. Good talking, George. [00:29:51] Good talk. Good luck out there.  

I've just finished MCing NFT Bali 2022 as a representation from The Wicked Hunt but also from the Photography community. While it's still fresh in my mind, I thought, why not put out a podcast on NFT and how it applies to photography and other art? NFT had been one of the biggest trending searches on google not long ago. Many people jump into NFT, some thrive and made a lot of money, but some are scammed and lost a lot of money. So what is NFT? How can it be leveraged, and how will it change the world for artists? I've spent about a year hanging out on Twitter space and clubhouse to learn what is NFT. At first, I thought it was a quick cash grab scheme, but the more I immersed myself in it, the more I fell in love with it.  The possibilities are endless, and I can start imagining how will it apply to The Wicked Hunt and its future brand.  It's a new technology, a new ideology and a new opportunity. It's exciting! You have nothing to lose and everything to gain, come and join me and decide for yourself.  But there's always more than the surface.  If you're interested in getting access to my NFT and how I use it to help me fulfilled my mission...  Where it has become a representation of a journey to living the best life, you can go to the link below: https://opensea.io/collection/thewickedhunt https://foundation.app/@thewickedhunt Adventure of A Life Time - NFT Collection A Symbol of "A Journey To Living The Best Life" ------  Collectors will get: Customised airdrop for the next 3 collectors - (Value of 0.2 ETH)            + 1 Hour 1 on 1 session - (Value of $350) 16" x 24" Canvas Print - (Value of $237) 8" x 8" photobook (Canada, Australia, Indonesia) - (Value of $600)               + ​10% off future collection pre-sale (you will get notified for upcoming artwork to be minted & have pre-sale discount exclusive to collectors) Exclusive access to future NFT Events Exclusive access to future products like Two Red Tabs Photography backpack ------  Other ways to listen and subscribe to the podcast: • Spotify - http://bit.ly/twhspotify   • Apple Podcast - https://bit.ly/Theartofphotography   • Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/TheArtOfPhotographyWithStanleyAr   • Website: https://podcast.thewickedhunt.com      • Tune In (Alexa) - https://bit.ly/TuneInTheArtOfPhotographyPodcastWithStanleyAr     For those of you who want to learn more about The Wicked Hunt Photography by Stanley Aryanto: • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thewickedhunt/      • Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thewickedhunt/ • Masterclass: https://www.TheWickedHuntPhotography.com      • Photo print: https://www.TheWickedHunt.com/    Don't forget to leave a review on the podcast if you enjoy this conversation. It would help us to get found and help to inspire other photographers. --------------------- Transcription: Stanley Aryanto - The Wicked Hunt  0:00   and some people just think it's a big scam so hey, we care hunters Welcome back to The Art of Photography podcast where we share photographers journey as well as topics on photography and how photography giving us hope, purpose and happiness. And today, I do not have anyone with me, I don't have any guests. It's just me, myself and I, but I want to talk to you about an F D, what is NFT? Why NFT? Is it a scam? And I know there are, you know, a few sites in the US some people absolutely love it jumping into it. You know, and some people kind of heard about it. And you know, they might have a mixed, mixed feeling about it. And some people just think it's a big scam. So I'd like to share a little bit about what it is, and why I am jumping into the NFT world and why I am excited about what NFT can do for the future. And at the end of it, you are free to make your own decision. Make your own. Make your own judgement of what it is. But I think it's it's always, you know, something that I always tell everyone that think NFT is a scam is unless you immerse yourself in it, then I think you will never know the full story. I mean, when you think about it, right? When we looking at a business, for example, it's easy to see from the outside whether or not they're making it, but we know the people who are in the business, they know whether or not they're struggling and they're doing everything they can just so that they're keeping afloat and looks like they're doing fine. Or they're actually doing better than it might look or you know, it is a true representation of what it looks like on the surface. Right? And I'm in there is a saying that goes like you know, it's isn't always what it looks like on the surface. And it's absolutely right, wherever it may look, there is a good and a bad thing. Of course to it. Like everything in life. Is it a scam? Well, I know that there are a lot of scams out there, which is really unfortunate. unfortunate because it's ruining the reputation of NFT it is a big, big opportunity, a big, big way to change the way we approach and move forward. But this, this game that coming through, are really ruining people trust in it, right. But like everything else in this world, when there is a lot of hype, when there is a lot of interest, people will exploit that it's no different than the internet is no different than the phone when it first came out. It's no different than the internet when it first came out. But we know that it's it's Well, when you immerse yourself you will find out that NFT is such a strong technology. And it is also such a such an incredible thing to utilise, especially if you are an artist. So why will NFT disrupt the future of the art? Well, as I already mentioned, it has a new technology, a technology that can automate a lot of the contract side of things so that you know it is a lot more objective, you know, there's a less, less greediness, you know, people are getting paid what they are, it's going to be a lot harder to be scammed. Because it is more traceable. It is it is what they call it, it's more transparent. Right. And it's very, you could basically track everything. Of course there, you know, people find ways to kind of run away from it. But that is the whole idea. Right? The new technology. There is also a new ideology, we call it the old way is the web 2.0 And the new way is the web 3.0. And there is a big difference in ideology, right? Well as in the web 2.0 It was more about okay, you know, I'm me and I need to strive and oh, you know, this other guy doing the same thing. I better compete with this. But in the web 3.0 We're seeing a lot more collaboration a lot more a helping hand and, you know, it's a rising tide, you know, and we rise together as a boat, right? And that's what one of the coolest mindset of the some of the community in the NFT is that? You know, we always look for ways to to To lift each other up now, is there is that mean there is no jealousy? Is that mean there is no fear of missing out? Is that mean there is no, you know, imposter syndrome. Of course now, at the end of the day, we are human, but from what I've seen so far, it's really nice. And I will go into a little bit more detail on this. But, yeah, the other thing is that there is a big, big possibilities. Right. And, again, I'll go through a lot of this in a lot more details. decentralisation, you know, the power shift to the artists and individual in the old days, where, you know, a lot of the issue was an artist who might need to get to go to Gallery to get all this all their stuff selling, and the gallery will take a big cut from the artists, right. And at the end of the day, they ended up with 20 or 30%. And I get it right the gallery need the in marketing's expands need to pay for the electricity, whatever it may be. And, yes, although crypto currency is currently using a lot of power, but I think I highly encourage you to look at what you know, the conventional banks are using, you know, what, you know, galleries would have used right there using like, really high electricity. And, you know, at the end of the day, I think for every technology for every emerging technology and groundbreaking technology, there's going to be some pain, there is no way that we will change without pain. And, you know, there's already so many things that is happening, trying to address this, and I, you know, in a year or two time, I feel like a lot of this issue with the environmental problem gonna be solved. So I'm really excited about that. But the really cool thing is that this NFT world is like the Marvel like think about it, like the original of Marvel comics when it first came out, right? It is the OG and, you know, right now it might worth 0.21 eath, which equivalent to what a few $100, do a few $1,000. But in 510 2030 years time, you know, I'll be I'll be thinking that some of these will go 400 1000s of dollars, especially some of the artwork that are truly unique. So it's such an exciting landscape in the world. So what is an F T? Right? Nf T stands for non fungible token. Now, non fungible basically means it cannot be replaced, it cannot be altered. And it is truly unique on its own. Right. And what it means by that is that when you think about it, right? Think about it like $1 US dollar, right? A coin of US dollar with another coin of US dollar, they're not unique. You could interchangeable interchange them with the same sort of representation, as well as the same value, right? 50 cents is the 50 cents, they're looking at the same and you know, sure some might have things on it and whatnot. But it is interchangeable, right? Well as an NFT is not, you know, each have its own token, and each have its own smart contract behind it. Now, the second part of it is tokens, right? And that is, you know, non fungible token. So the token is the part where it represent the representation of something else, right. And in the NFT, or in the cryptocurrency world, it's, it's basically a series of numbers and letters that represent that particular art that get connected to a contract that we call a smart contract, because this contract is sitting somewhere in the system in the blockchain, and you can make decision on its own and you don't need people, you know, executing this and that's why going forward, the application is just so, so broad, and of course, I will go into a lot more depth in a little bit. But what is really cool about NFT why people are crazy about this NFT right. So I think there's five main pillars to this NFT first is authentication because with each With each art, suddenly there is a token that represent the art and artists of that particular art will always get linked to it. Of course, you know, with everything, there's going to be a way to explore it. But I'm just gonna go, you know, with the positive note the possibilities, right? Why, you know, it's all get authenticated, it's all get linked to the art between the artist and the art. And there is there no way, you know, in quotation marks, I'm sure there, you know, if you try hard enough, I'm sure there is a way to do it. But for now, it's really really, really, really, really, really difficult to change that authentication. Now, just think about it, like, a Mona Lisa, for example, Mona Lisa is a piece that is truly unique. And for you to authenticate that it's very difficult, right? People have been trying to fake it, and they try to, you know, and in order to check that there is going to go you, it has to go through a series of forensic analysis. But with NFT now, it's all it's all there visible in in the system, traceability, right, where it goes, when it goes who by who created it, it's all in the system. And it is a lot more a lot easier to track. And that's why it's great, as well as a transparency, right, is transparent, you could see each transaction, each price change even right. So if you say like to, to one of the collectors, I know this one is like this collection values have a lot of value. But you know, in actual fact, you just pop up the value, and then you just change the value of the price at that current time and then bring it back down. It's all visible. So it's a lot harder to scam. Utilities. Now, this NFT has been crazy in the world, right? And Gary Vee has been using them as part of a way to access him, right? If you look at the bigger kind of project like Word, ape, and so forth, it gives you access to a community and some other project. Actually, when you purchase that project, you are a kind of an adopter to a foundation where they donate most of the proceeds most, if not all of the proceeding to some sort of cause. And most of all community, right? We love to belong to a community, we love to hang out with the same people. And I think this is why NFV is really cool thing, especially the people who got it right, because it is a new technology, it is a new ideology. And it is a new path forward. And with this, it becomes really exciting. You know, because the possibility is endless. But we know that a lot of people are going to try to exploit it a lot of scammers. A lot of people try to make it look bad and try to destroy this, you know this ideology. So that is why if you find the right community, we actually protect the idea behind web 3.0 or the NFT. Right? And you know, it's just such a cool thing is really hard to explain in words. But if that's something you kind of want to find out, we usually hang out in Twitter. So why turn an art into an NFT? Right? What's the point? Well, one of the thing that really draw me into it was, of course, the first thing is, you know, it sounds like you can make a lot of money from it. And one of the things that I always say to everyone is that if you if your sole purpose to jump into NFV is to make money, then you probably shouldn't jump into it because first you just gonna destroy the ideology. Second, you probably not gonna make it because people are getting better at identifying the scammers and people who just in it for the short term. And third, you know, what's the point like, you know, you will burn out, you will hate what you're doing anyway. But one of the things that's really cool was the legacy part of it, you know, knowing that, you know, I've sold a lot of brands, I've sold a lot of photo books, but I know that one day, you know, maybe there is a big fire or whatnot or even, you know, paper degrades even the archivable material. So one day a lot of this material going to degrade and we'll lost its value. Well it's lost it all together, but you In the blockchain, it is a lot more secure, a lot harder to get rid of. So it's kind of cool that once it's there, it's there forever, right. Now, the next thing is some of the thing that I've already talked earlier is that the power shift, suddenly, an artist can be appreciated for their work, right? In terms of money in terms of as well as in terms of their art. I know that in the web 3.0 People really enjoy the connection with the artistic connection with the art instead of just, ah, it's a pretty photo, right? I mean, if you are an artist, or you know, whether you're a photographer, a sculpture, whatever it may be, aren't you tired of people just like looking at your art, and you say, it's like, oh, cool, that's awesome. Right. And you put your, your heart and your passion and everything you have into it, you know, I know that some of the shot that that, that I've captured, you know, I carry a 10 kilogramme backpack onto the top of the mountain or negative 25 degrees Celsius, I was freezing cold, I don't know, if I will have to cut my toe by the end of the trip. But you know, that's what we love. That's our passion. And the one thing that we want out of it is to be recognised and to be appreciated. Of course, we need the money, right? Because we need to live and that's what gonna put our food on the table, that was what gonna put the roof on top ourselves. But at the end of the day, the appreciation is priceless. And this is what's cool about it, I've seen a lot of indie indie artists raising money for the film that they want to build, and people are buying into the project because they believe in him. Right? That is the key word they believed in him, instead of you know, because this person have a lot of followers or because this this, you know, this person have connection or whatnot. And I mean, I've seen people so out there connection, you their collection, with only 800 followers. And of course, on the contrary, I also see people with 3040 50 100,000 followers that saw the collection. And at the end of that, at the end of the at the end of there i i believe that, you know, there is a big, big opportunity as an artist to bring this power back to us. And with the smart contract. Now all of a sudden, we can decide what is there and what's not, and upload it to the to the blockchain as a smart contract. So that you know that it is how, so that the term is how you wanted it. So that is really exciting. So, then, okay, you know, hopefully by now you're convinced, you know, it's like, whoa, that's cool, like, NFT. Perfect. That sounds amazing. So, I guess I'll share this from the photographer's perspective, right? But from artists perspective, and from the collector perspective, you just kind of flip it inside out, and I'll show you what I mean. But so then a lot of people can ask me, Well, Stanley, what do I meant for NFT. Now when I say meant, it means basically putting it in the blockchain and tokenize it as an NFT. Right? Now, if you're like me, you know, I have over 200,000 photos on my hard drive, it becomes really, really difficult to curate and think about what you want a minute. But I think the most important part of this, you know, as whether or not you're looking at it from a collective perspective, or artists perspective, is to stay true with your journey, right? Why you started your journey as an artist, like a good example is that, you know, when I first started, I started because I went on this five weeks trip in Europe, and I was just like, man, it was such an awesome trip. It was the road to Oktoberfest, I was a lot younger there. And, you know, looking back into this memory through some of these photos really got me disappointed. Because I felt like it didn't capture the experiences that I experienced. So my first thing was, I want to be able to capture memories, right? And the next thing is that you know, when I fell in love with it even more as it given me hope, purpose and happiness. I Want to do more of it, I want to travel full time I want to capture all these things, right. But along the line, I realise it's not about the pretty photo, but about finding unique perspective, just, you know, finding that unique perspective of the world, because, you know, we, we see, we see a lot of these popular spots, and that's cool. But when you can find a unique perspective, or a unique photo of that of that particular spot, it become it became personal to you as a photographer, and that makes it really emotional, right. And that's sentimental. And that's really cool about photography. And for that reason, you know, I know that I go through a lot of Summit during stupid hours as well. And I want to be able to share those magnificent beauty with with the bigger audience because I know that a big portion of the world don't have the energy, the opportunity and the ability to be able to explore such place, right? To be able to travel the world to do what I do to quit my job, and travel and just like leave everything sold everything and just pack my bag travel the world. But at the same time, I want to help those who really want to pursue their passion, but they don't think they can to show them that it is possible. So when I sell my, my very first collection was was about that it was about the journey and the journey behind each photograph or behind each NFT you get this like a little magazine, right on E magazine that I've put together about my ledger about the story behind me why I put this together about the wicked Han? And what is the wicked Han right about each photograph and the story behind photograph and why it is significant and why it is unique, as well as, when I was in that path as a photographer, what was the mindset and you know, I'm hoping for that to be a symbol for those who want to pursue their passion in whatever it is it may be, whether it is as a full time as a hobby or as a part time. Right? But that collection, help me to do share a lot of my work with with more of the world, right? To be able to motivate and encourage and hopefully get people to go outside of their comfort zone and chase their dreams. So at the end of the day, I think it's really important to to know your why and to stay through with it because it's not going to be easy. And if you don't follow if you don't have a purpose, then you will burn out and you will stop and you know you will give out altogether. So know your why. Now, once once you kind of know your why you start curating it right based on you know, what, what are based on, you know that that why why you know, all these different art that support that journey or of what you want to share. Now, once you have that, then think about the platform and the coin, right. And the platform is usually pick based on the coin that it supports. So for example, you know, open sea Foundation, slowly kind so forth are on Ethereum and exchange art is one example from what they call it Solana and so forth. Right? But one thing that you need to remember or to decide is that your niche and where your audience where are your collectors sitting predominantly before you, you you pick this right? Because essentially, those are the people that you want to talk to. But there are other things about the platform itself. So for example, each platform have different fees, each platform have gas, different gas fees, right? And gas fees is just think about it like if you're driving from one place or another to another right, it is the energy that it requires to for that transportation. So it's the same thing when you make a purchase, from you know, my quotation, my crypto wallet to your crypto wallet, there's gonna be a movement of assets and that's gonna cost money. Right now The next thing is the royalty. So again, when I mentioned about, you know, traceability and authenticity, right? When the art is sold to a collector, and that collector decide to sell it to someone else, you have the option to get royalty, so that, you know, let's say, I have this, I've got one of these shoulders really, really rare with a comment NEOWISE. And it was aligned with Aurora Borealis and the Milky Way and got published through like petapixel epoch time. Focus magazine in, in Germany, basically everywhere, right? And is such a rare moment, because it will not happen again in many lifetime. In fact, the next new comment near was going to be in 6800 years. So, you know, when, when it's at the moment, the market in the NFT is quite small. So it might sell for, let's say, you know, five, eath, five Aetherium. But going forward, it might, you know, people might discover it, and it might sell for 100 Aetherium, or, you know, 200, and you get a cut of that you get that part of the appreciation as the original person who captured the art that that create that art, right. And all of this is controlled by smart contracts. So it's actually really important as well, because each smart contract, sorry, each platform have a different smart contract, and some are better than the others like everything else. Now, the next thing is exclusivity. Like for example, you know, foundation. Sorry, let me start that over, for example, like super rare unknown origin and slow car, you know, it's it required for you to apply and get accepted. Foundation require for you to get invited. So it's a community curated platform by you know, other people. And a good example where you could literally jump in right now and meant your art is repairable and open see, right, and one other one that I will talk about is Tux dot art. And it is one that is created by Vince or Caltex. He is one of the first collector that made that populars and popularised NFT photography. And he created this platform as a fully decentralised platform. What's that mean? Is that no one is running anything behind it, there's just a bunch of code that you know, if you do this become that and you this income, then. And that's the that's kind of a cool thing about it, right? I know that a lot of nude photographer, for example, could not pose their stuff on Instagram, you know, because it would get censored and stuff like that. So, with decentralisation is a lot more power to it. But yeah, with great power comes great responsibility. But there's going to be another a lot of other benefits as well. For example, some are, can have the ability to buy it now, or to put an offer or to do an auction, some doesn't. Some can do collection of multiple artwork, and some doesn't. And some can do also do you know different ways of meeting your art as well. So I'd like to classify NFT art into three at the moment, right, I'm just going to make this simple for all of you a series or a limited edition. So let's say you got this photo and you want to sell five of them for X amount, right? And when you do that, it's become less rare and therefore it's usually price lower. Now, if you have let's say a theme for so my very first collection, so that was series and the second thing is collection, right? My very first collection is about my journey from you know, not knowing how to take photo, or my very first trip that really started my photography career to you know, leaving my engineering degree to where I am today where you know, I've captured countless once in a lifetime moments. A lot of that is captured in that collection, you know, and that is one theme, right? So in collection usually there is a theme about what it is what's happening and so forth. Now there's also a rare more rare one is one off one basically it's just a one off. So for example that night when I got the shot of the Milky Way the Aurora as well. As the comment NEOWISE, that's not going to appear in six less than 800 years, that's probably going to be put out as one of one, right. And of course, as it goes up, it becomes a lot less, a lot more a lot less supply, and therefore it become a more valuable. So why collectors buy? What is the value right? Now I guess you have to think about it like a business you know, each art have to overvalue whether it's an entertainment value, whether it's a, it's a while value, whether it's a uniqueness value, right, or whether it's a representation of the art. But so one of the things that that can make a big difference is the artist, their journey, their mission, their popularity, whatever it may be. Basically, if if there is a strong purpose, there is strong journey, and you know that the art is gonna become gonna keep going, and keep putting the investment on itself and keep creating, keep growing, keep creating groundbreaking stuff, then you know, that that artists will make it one way or another. And for that reason that artists will become more valuable. Because essentially, I mean, if you think about it, you know, like, Leonardo da Vinci a lot, all of his art become valuable, because you know, now he has in quotation marks make it right. But next thing is the art itself, right? The art itself might have a sentimental value or connection to the collector. Maybe it's where James was proposed to Jane. I don't know why I picked James and Jane, but it's the first thing that come into my head. You know, and it might be a shot in, in New York of that particular place. And when they saw that, they were like, Oh, yes, you know, does it remind me of this and that, and, you know, it's just, it's triggered their emotion, their sentimental connection to it, and therefore they buy it. Regardless, they're artists, because the community goes, whatever it is, but they just love the art. Now, the next thing is the community right? Now you have to think about it, like, when people purchase your art, they become not only a collector, but part of your journey, right? So they are they because there is a community around you. And that can be powerful. Like, for example, people who probably gravitate towards me is going to be people who felt like they have been in this stuck in life with no passion, or people who love adventure, or people who love snowboarding, right? Basically the things that are that I love that I have a mission for. And that's probably the things that people will resonate with. And the other thing is utility. So for example, coming forward, a lot of all of all of my photo trip gonna come with an NFT. And the NFT is going to be unique, and it's going to be more and more valuable, because, you know, as time goes by, it becomes I'm still not sure the whole details of it. But one thing that you can do is, you know, make it more desirable by adding value behind it now, what is that value? And you can go as crazy as possible, right? But that is the beauty of it. Like it's just so powerful, you know, all of a sudden, when they go for a photo trip, not only they get the photo trip, but they also get this investment for free or this bonus for free, that become an investment for themselves. Alright, so one way that I really like just to simplify things, is that you know, like, it's just a way of thinking about it right. So, in the old days, we used to call it company and in the in the NFT world we call it project right creator is a founder Dao or decentralised autonomous organisation is basically like the management collector become the shareholder. So when they collect one of your photo, they become a shareholder of you because if your value goes down, most likely to everything else will go down, right. J pack is like the stock certificates. roadmap is basically you know, the company plan forward their business plan, utility is their product right? So utility could be my photo trip now, you know, in a company that my cell in the tour company and again, it's the same thing they sell a trip right community Add a you know, become part of the marketing and royalties is revenue. So when you have that royalties when you sell part of your part of your if when somebody else sell your your your art, then you get the royalties and that is pretty much a revenue and token is the dividend, right? All right. So how do you market this thing? Alright, so I've already mentioned how important it is. And this is why NF T strife in Twitter, no in Facebook, no Instagram, because in Twitter, you can you can be in spaces where you could chat with fellow mates and you could basically, you know, build connection with each other. You know, that goes to the second thing. And if people really resonate with your story resonate with who you are, then it will trigger their emotion and they'll make them comfortable or make them more connected to your art. So Twitter is absolutely the biggest thing here. Right. And the next thing is the word of mouth, of course, right? Somebody telling somebody, it's been one of the best marketing and it's, it still is the best marketing. But if, you know there's a lot in there, and I know it's gonna take some times for you to go through, but I think I'm gonna leave it with this, you know, if there's anything that I want you to, to get out of this podcast is first to believe in yourself to believe that you are worth it. Because a lot of times Me included when I put my work out there I look at it, I was like, Well, you know, I'm a nobody and you know, I, I just jumped into this space only get 1000 Well, at that moment, I was like couple 200 followers, you know, why would people want to buy like this art for me, right. And the second thing is believing your art because sometimes the value of the art is good enough to stand on its own without our utilities without, you know all these things. But for example, for my case, the first five people that purchase my collection will get an airdrop now an airdrop is basically a bonus where I dropped them one of my other art and it is fully customised. So for example, if you do purchase one, then you can tell me what sort of photo that you're interested in, and I will send you like an album that you get to pick from, and from there. You could pick your customise NFT, that goes along with the one that you purchase. So well, why why did I do that because it is part of my mission. Right? Going back to what I was saying, I believe that the art itself stands enough to stand on its own. But at the same time, I want to be able to fulfil on my mission to share my my art. And, you know, I think I'm okay with rewarding the very the first few collectors out there that are believing in my journey, because that's gonna help me to reach more people out there. But you know what to make it is simple, but it's not easy. Today, I give you a lot of insights on what you need to do. And if you just do that, and you follow through with it, you're probably going to make it but it's not easy in a sense that every one solution is going to be slightly different. What's worked for me might not work for you what's worked for you might not work for me. And you might need to find this two millimetre shift, right, because that's all it takes. And it's incredible, because if you, for example, go to plastic surgeon, they're going to tell you this, that it only takes two millimetre shift to change the looks off your face, right to change the looks of whatever it is that you want to want to change. So and it is exactly the same thing. Just need that two millimetres shift the smallest thing that that will work for you. But you do need to figure that out yourself. So it's not gonna be easy. But at the end of the day, you know, when your time's up when you're on your deathbed thinking about what have I achieved in my life? What have I done in my life? You know what it's gonna be worth it's gonna be hard but it's going to be worth it. So I encourage you to go into the into Twitter, right jump into spaces follow some some of the key people in art or NFT or photography NFT? And, um, you know, and if you don't know, let me know, shoot me a DM I can, you know, show you who are the people to follow and listen to them when they're talking in Twitter spaces, Twitter spaces, basically a place where people can talk with each other. You no true voice app. Yeah, you cannot see each other. But at this, at the end of the day, it's much better than, than Instagram, right? Cool shots dude. Like, this is though good tones, man, you know, all this thing doesn't really make us feel appreciated as an artist. So I really highly encourage you to check it out. Because this technology is groundbreaking, and it will change the future. And what have you got to lose, right? At the end of the day, if you spend 236 months, 12 months, and you realise you don't want to do it, you can always go back to what you always do, and you got nothing to lose. But mark my word, this is going to be a game changing technology in the industry, people have come out with so many different ways to create or to, to create it's such a unique art of a true NFT. And it's just so exciting. And it's so exciting how the community is a lot more connected, that people, you know, the power is shifted back a lot more to the artists. And yes, it is not perfect. There are a lot of things that you need to look for, especially, you know, with the scams, I know that imposter syndrome is a big one here, people get depressed because, you know, they, when they see people selling out and they're not they can't sell anything, it becomes very difficult for the mentally. But, you know, at the end of the day, I think there is a much bigger benefit. And then the disadvantages, so I highly recommend you to jump into Twitter, connect with me and shoot me a DM if you have any question I'm happy to answer. But hopefully this has been insightful for you on what I've been into and what I've been working to, and what how this NFT world can really change your world as an artist. Yeah, so if you have any question, feel free to shoot me a DM or an email, whatever it may be. But hopefully you enjoy that little chat, if you haven't already. So hit the subscribe button. Make sure you leave a review so that you can you know share your point of view with other people and help other people to find this if it's if you find it useful, or just share the link to your friends, your family who's been looking for a different perspective of what is this NFT world is but we can hunters. Thank you very much for being here. Thank you very much for listening in and I will see you next week. Until next time  

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How To Buy NFTs What is a Non-Fungible Token NFT How To Make Your Own NFT Best NFT InvestmentsEpisode SummaryJoining us today for a SPECIAL episode of The Roadmap - Blockchain Boys Club!Blockchain Boys is a community for founders, developers, and investors to discover new projects, stay on top of blockchain trends, discover investment opportunities, and get quality trading signals.Check them out here! https://www.blockchainboys.club/Follow Blockchain Boys on Twitter!https://twitter.com/bcboys_nftChris KatjeMazhttps://bitclout.com/u/mazFollow The Roadmap on Twitter!Disclaimer: All of the information, material, and/or content contained in this program is for informational purposes only. Investing in stocks, options, and futures is risky and not suitable for all investors. Please consult your own independent financial adviser before making any investment decisions.Unedited Transcript:Hey everyone. Welcome to the roadmap. Benzing. As new NFT show, we've had some great teams on past episodes. Pixel vault, art blocks, the vole collective robots, the dos pound owning force, crypto dads, dizzy dragons, sub doc, and mobile. Today we have the team from lazy lions joining us on the 6:00 PM Eastern time, special edition of the roadmap.Stay tuned, everyone. We've got a great show coming up. This is the road.All right, everyone. Yet, if you did not hear me at the start, Benzing his new show, the roadmap covering NFT news and doing interviews with top projects out there. And we've got a great interview coming up to night. But before I talk about that, let me go ahead and bring on my cohost mass mass. What's going on, buddy?Yeah, what's going on? It's a pleasure to be here it's Monday. So it's throwing off stuff a little bit, you know, different time, you know, different day. Uh, it's going to be a great episode. Yeah. You know, we, we ere Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 2:00 PM. Eastern time. We're three days a week now, but we had the opportunity to get this team on a stream live at night.And we said, of course, let's go because mass lazy lions. I mean, we talk all the time about projects. We talk about community. I mean, this is a big one and they're showing up in the chat. They've got 6,000 people in the discord, almost 50,000 followers on Twitter. And this isn't a new project. I mean, this minted back in August and this community is just getting stronger and stronger.Absolutely. So funny story, right. We first found out about this community when we shot an episode and then the comments, you know, they started, you know, talking to the cops. We tweeted something out when Zynga, I don't know if you remember that Chris and the crazy. So when Zynga is now, so, you know, thank you guys for tuning in.It's going to be a great episode. Yeah. I mean, the chat spoke, right. And also, I mean, Matt, as you saw it, right, we put out a couple of tweets sharing the preview of this video. Right. And the engagement on those tweets was insane. And that's how we know that there is going to be a lot of people here. A lot of people excited for this interview when we get that kind of crazy engagement on Twitter.So if you guys are new to the roadmap, please like this video, please subscribe to Benzinga channel. Again. We air the roadmap Tuesday, Wednesdays, and Thursdays, 2:00 PM. Eastern time. Mass before we get into the interview. I think we need everyone in the chat to roar. Right? I want to see some roars out there and we can play our trailer and get started with this interview again, mass, I mean this minted at 0.05, we've got a floor price of over one it's sold out in its first day.And again, this was back in. You know, so a different time than what we're seeing now. There come the roars here. Uh, yeah,go. And let's get those roars go. And guys it's Monday night here in the U S but I know everyone is joining us from different countries, different time zones. That's something we're going to get into in the interview later. I mean, they, they've got a nice base of users from different areas and I love that they break that down.Um, but yeah, I think we've got enough roars now, mass, what do you think that's run it. Let's hear it. Let's see the trailer.How about that at the end? Love it. I love it, man. I'm excited. Let's do it. All right. So joining us on the roadmap today, we have Asher the co-founder of lazy lions and nine. The developer got to go ahead, bring these guys on the stream. What's going on here.We've been doing that lately, where we do these trailers. We love putting those trailers out, you know, on Twitter, getting some engagement built up, but it's a great way to bring on our guests, right? It's almost like entrance music to play you guys onto the stream. So we're glad that you liked it. And we're super excited to have you guys on the stream and also this loyal community in the chat.Right.Super excited for this one. So, uh, yeah, that's definitely going to be exciting. And I just noticed now, as I'm looking at this. I came in a bit more casual with my hoodie and I see you've got the Riyadh Madrid shirt and all that.for this one. All right, guys. Well, let's dive into some questions, uh, before we get into Lacy lions, one of the first questions I always like to start with is. Tell us about your experience with NFTs prior to lazy lions where you collectors, where you investors, or was lazy lions, your first entry into the NFT space.Uh, let's start with nine on this one and, uh, hear from you. Yeah, sure. Um, so T is for us was very interesting actually, because when we first started, we were very into sort of like, okay, Um, so we used to play a lot of games when we were younger, um, in that. And then we start to learn about, you know, crypto.It first started when we got into cryptocurrencies. Uh, we got a little bit about that and it started to move into NFTs. I personally had an actual collected any of NFTs at the time, but it just tied in like the way that I understood it was like, oh yeah, it's on a blockchain, you know, proof of ownership.There was rarely factor involved. And that just took me back to our younger days when we used to play games and it just resonated with us and we spoke about it and we're like, yeah, this is, this is space. And when you were, and then we started to work together and get into the NFV space and start looking.I was building lazy lines from the ground up. Um, that's really how it started. I personally didn't collect any, I know Ash, I think he, I think he bought one, but yeah, he would touch on that more. Yeah. Ashley let's hear from you. Uh, what and FTS were you in before lazy lions? Yeah, for sure. Um, I mean, I just like to answer that question both.Uh, code up different things and then, um, you know, taken to mark. And that was always a lot of fun, um, with crypto, for me, um, I wasn't like a big crypto guy, like even during the off season. Uh, David, is that the lie that really interested me because I saw the value of the metal sets. It still makes a lot of sense, but it didn't hit me as like, oh, this is going to be a really big thing because I couldn't see it being like a cultural impact, but NFTs for me, it was beginning of this year.And as soon as I like started. To me, I'm like, this is not going anyway. Like digital ownership. Like we grew up, you know, playing video games where you've spent all that time and energy and money as well, but you can never take that thing outside of the game. And it's like, now you can actually do that.It's just, so for me, it's a no brainer. This is definitely not going anywhere. Um, one of my favorite entities actually like full AC lines. In our bungalow and a bungalow is an entity that we dropped where you can showcase your other entities. Um, it's actually forgotten ruins character. Um, and this probably ties in with what nine was saying, you know, would be gay.This girl playing greenscape loved that game and that little. Like, he just reminds me so much of my childhood. I tell you, I don't know how much that could go up in value, but I don't think I'm ever going to sell it. So, um, I guess a collector before, before those lines, if you want to do, yeah, it sounds like he's not going to sell it.Well, awesome love here in the video game. Talk as well. That's a common thing that we hear from different people behind NFT projects. Uh, you know, nine, you mentioned a little bit, uh, U2, uh, you know, getting involved together. Wondering if we can hear, or if we can hear more of the background, how did this team come to be and why the decision, you know, to, to launch lazy lions, uh, why a lion, why this type of artwork any a behind the scenes insight there?Yeah, sure. So it was, it first started. I think it was actually my birthday when we first started discussing like, um, cryptocurrencies and. We started getting into it. And we were talking just back talking about different coins that we're interested in. Um, and then later down the track, I believe it was Ashley that came up to me was like, Hey man, have you heard of NFTs?And I was like, yeah, I've heard of them. They pretty much just like JPEGs. Right. And he's like, yeah, but you can actually own, like, you could see these and there's a very flat line and it all started resonating for. And we're like, you know what? This makes sense. This makes sense to us being video game players, back in the days, it all like proof of ownership was a big thing for us being able to actually prove that you own this NFL, um, just made sense.Uh, it just made sense to us and we started just discussing it and we sort of just branched out to the team as well. And they all understood the. And then pretty much from there, we just thought, you know what let's just think of, um, think of the next best thing. And with that with us, we always went back to our heritage.So lions were pretty much a part of our heritage because of where we're from an student. So that just resonated with us and we just yet went full throttle with that. Yeah. I mean, just a few other things as well. Like the whole Kings and Queensland, hopefully my audio is working better now. I'm using AirPods and I realized it was a different setting.Um, like just growing up, but we've always referred to each other as Kings, right. Like even just with mates around. Um, and I feel like that's something that's just hit off for you. What would the community, and, uh, it's probably a small thing. Like they might be people in the audience outside of the lazy lines community.Going to their king or queen, but I think it goes more than that. Like it ties in with that values, which is yes, we're all Kings and Queens, but no one's above anyone else. And I feel like that's something that resonates with a lot of people in web three. Um, so yeah, just a few little things like that. A lot of that.So guys, so the floor is over one eighth, you guys have over 86 K into. And the 49 K on Twitter. So how do you guys personally measure the success of this project? Uh, let's start with you Asher, if you can tell us a little bit more. Yeah. You know, it's, it's interesting. Like there are a few different ways you can, you can look at it.Um, and that, and that we do track, right? Like obviously we've got our own KPIs that, you know, we had really, really smart people who know the ins and outs of, um, the whole economics behind it. Yeah. Tell us what metrics we should be looking. Um, and the community knows that, um, it, it ties in with down mission, which is simply it's to become the, the biggest and best entity community there is.That's, that's our mission. Um, obviously we're a bit biased. We think we've already got one of those. Um, but to be the biggest, it's very black and white, so that's what we're aiming for. Not to put anyone else down. I, I love some of the other projects that are out there, but that's just our mission anyways.Right. Um, so that's one way that we track success. Um, That's small quantitative like qualitative, just speaking with community members, the five, particularly in this dip right now. I feel like for me, um, that's what really just reassures me that we're on the right path. Just, you know, you jump into the discord, you see what's being posted.You have chats with community members. I try to say. Um, spend a fair bit of my time just having those, like one-on-one chats with community members. Um, I feel like that's a really important thing. Like just, um, like really like, Hey, like how are things going? Like, you know, what do you feel is blocking us like real deeper conversation?Um, and that's just been like, it's not obviously like all positive, like they're always things that we can be improving on, but overall it feels like we're on the right track. So that's, that's the way we measure it. Yes. We've got data that having those conversations with community members, um, tells me we were on the right track.Love that. Yeah, same. I like to hop in a discord and you know, you see the activity level. You know, there's been so many discourse throughout this period that are just dead, you know, cause it's, we're kind of in a bearish market, so there's no one, you know, having a conversation, seeing you guys have this activity is amazing.Uh, how about you, uh, nine? What, what, how do you measure the success of the. Yeah. So similar to what, similar to what Ash said. I think for me personally, it's during this fast success of the project, just jumping into the discord and seeing how active it is on a, on a daily basis, being able to hold these, um, conversations with, you know, my team members and, you know, moderators and community members.And they're all, we're all on the same page. We all understand what the, you know, what we're here to do. And just, yeah, just seeing how active for me personally. Yeah, more on the community is just how active it actually is. And seeing the word being spread out, spread out on Twitter, spread out in discord.That really just resonates with me. So I love that. So can you guys tell us a little bit more about bungalows and how they, uh, you know, come into the lazy lion world? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, and so I guess when we started, right, like we had a few things, um, In mind for the roadmap. Um, and two, we didn't want to be different just for the sake of being different, but at the same time, it's like, it was very obvious to us that if we just, I guess, copied what other projects were doing, like we could find our own way.I think that that was a bit lame. Like that's not what we're about. Um, we're in a new space. I think there's a really good opportunity for us to build something unique and that's fun to us. Right. And it's something that was that we noticed during our research of NFTs, like at the beginning of the year was like, how do you show these things?Yeah, that was the question I had. Um, and I spent a fair bit of time looking into that. I still feel like there's no great solution, um, in real life, if anyone has something like, you know, a great way to like show them off in frames or whatever the ambulance put down, I'd love to know because I want to bring out obviously my line, um, and a few other odd pieces.Yeah, that's in the real world. And, um, you know, in the digital world, you know, how do you show these things off? I've seen a few like, um, social media websites, but nothing great. So just to us, it was like, well, Twitter event is on being used profile photos are what if we could show off entities in the Twitter banner, um, and you know, sticking with our values as well, which is to be inclusive rather than being exclusive, which I think a lot of.Projects really focus on, you know, they're trying to build this exclusive community, um, and that works for them and that's great, but where we're different to that, you know, we're trying to, you know, we're aiming to be inclusive. So, um, sticking with that nature, it's like, you don't just have to show off your lazy lines indices, um, without new bungalows DAP, which is on all these loans.And if the.com you can edit any bungalow, you have to include any NFT that you weren't. Even if it's not lazy lines for later. So, um, yeah, that's, that's how it works. It's a bit of background as to that's awesome. So me and Chris liked to ask this question on a tour guests, every episode, what are some of your favorite traits from the lazy lion?So are there any unique traits that you particularly liked that no one knows about let's start with United. Can you tell us a little bit more, you know, which lions do you like the best or what traits do you like the most. That's a good question. That's that's a great question. Um, which ones are the ones that are being slept on?Let's let you will personally love, you know, uh, honestly I think I used to love the, I like actually like the, really like the lederhosen, um, Um, it is one of the ones that I had originally as my PFE or my line had it. You had the, um, lederhosen shirt out of my eyes and I believe it had the halo just look very innocent.So I was like, yeah, this one, this one resonates with me. Um, but I think that one's a little bit slipped on as well. It's, it's, you know, it is one of the real ones as well, but you don't see too many people will actually actually with it. Sowhat about you Asher? Um, there's a couple other big. Um, a big party, that guy, just because of the whole childhood thing, but, um, basically these, uh, these leads of fire, I think. Um, and I know I'll get in. Um, I'll get a bit of stick if I, Aaron. And he's part of that team as well. He is a community manager. I know he loves the lazy hat.Um, so that one should probably get some recognition as well. I think that one's probably a fan favorite. Yeah.And some call-outs for us steak mouth in the chat as well. It looks like there's some fans of the meat and the steak out there in the chat right now that guy's going to get about 50 steak bouts. So that's why, that's why, that's why. So there's a little bit of a bias going on. Oh man. Well, Sorry. There's a little bit of a little trait combo that I like as well.So if you have like a, if there's a scratch body and they have a ripped shirt, you can see the scratches underneath the shirt, which is what just comes out really nice. So it's a little thing that I sort of go for as well. I like that. Nice, nice call out there. What about you guys? You know, I see in them, I like the steak right there, you know, and again, I know there's someone in the chat, you know, bias towards that, but I like the steak.I like the party hat. I know there was the halo, um, you know, some of the different, uh, the headpiece traits. Um, I like, but I also have seen some real clean ones. Uh, you know, that are impressive. Uh, what about UMass, um, football Jersey, you know, big football guy. And then I do like, so I do like anything Miriam based from any collection.I'm always trying to find like, is there an Ethereum chain or anything like that? I saw you guys having a theorem business shirt. I like that one as well. So yeah, exactly that one right there. So always those little subtle pieces. I think that's cool. Definitely. All right. Well, you guys also have roar words for your owners to reward the community members.Can you tell us a little bit about this? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, this is probably what been one of the biggest, um, I guess catalysts of the project, particularly at the beginning, uh, at the early stage of, sorry. To put it simply, uh, rewards is what it sounds like it's a rewards program exclusively for lazy lion holders.So this is one of the advantages, or I guess, utility of being a lazy lion NFT holder. Um, every month you're eligible for rewards in the form of eight by completing activities that, uh, That benefit the project. So, you know, community engaging activities and part of those, you know, they change from month to month, but one of those might be, you know, sending your profile photo on Twitter, to your lazy lion and they, um, and you know, I feel the little things like that.And that might be why you see, you know, quite a few, um, you know, about how those changing their profile photo, um, to the lines, particularly the, the early stages, but what we found now, it's really interesting. Right. Um, And I should probably explain why we did this, but what we've seen is like, it was a good reason.It was a reason why a lot of, um, people I guess, came to the project. Um, but what's happened now is like, it's become so insignificant where they just, they love their lines so much. They don't really care about rewards anymore. Like, that's a lot of the feedback that we get is like, yeah, that was really nice at the beginning, but it's like now I love my profile photo so much.I'm not gonna change it. Even if you would've paid me to. So it's like, it's sort of changed, um, how they, how they view it. Um, but I think it's important to like, to explain why we did this. Um, it's sort of like a marketing expense, I guess if we, if we look at it that way, like from the project's point of view, like I know a lot of other collections and then this isn't me bashing anyone else.Go down the route, which is the easy route of, you know, paying like an influence it's changed their profile better and, you know, paying a big amount, a large amount of Psalm, one influence, a change, that profile photo. Great. We saw that as a bit cringe and we're like, is there another way to do this? Um, but obviously we still need to do marketing.Like obviously the project needs to be marketed and it was like, what if instead of just giving it to one celebrity or influencer. What if we just give that to the community and instead of just one big amount to one person, we just spread it out to the community. I'm like, well, that ties in with the whole, you know, web three N model.So that's how we went. And we just created a system that allows us to do that. Essentially the community gets rewarded for, um, marketing the, the project. And I feel like that's worked one just for us and. Yeah. I mean, that's my, that's my opinion, but I think, you know, if you jump on Twitter and you just look at all the activity from lazy lion holdings, it feels like it's sort of evolved beyond that as well.This is awesome, dude, this is some alpha for anybody looking to start a project. Seriously, notice that there's your marketing right there. And if you're looking to create an NFT project, yeah. I mean, what a great way, uh, love that. And, you know, look at the numbers you guys have too in building the community and the community.I mean, being so loyal months after the launch. So clearly that rewards is worth. Um, I saw a picture on Twitter that you guys had a meetup in New York city, some lions holders. Um, were you guys involved in that? Have you met any, uh, lions holders and, uh, you know, talk to us about future events for lion? Hey, the Kings and I wish we were there.So where, um, we're still in lock down here and study CD. Um, so I think we just now started to get out of lockdown, but as soon as we can fly out, like desperately, we'll be meeting up with laser line holders, but no, that was community led. Um, a lot of, a lot of really good feedback actually from that one.Um, everybody seemed to really enjoy themselves. Um, but yeah, that was a little community, but we'll definitely look at doing more of those. Um, as soon as we're able to fly out. That's awesome. I mean, showing the initiative by the community there, I mean, that's something we don't see out of every project, uh, doing these, you know, these meetups.So a, another great sign of how big this community really is. Um, I did see, you know, that there are quite a few celebrities that also own lazy lions. Um, that's something we talk about a lot on the show. A lot of athletes does Bryant, Josh Hart, Seth Curry, uh, Tyrese Haliber and also we've got Jake Paul John rule.Uh, talk to us a little bit, you know, I know you guys didn't go after all these celebrities, what does it mean to see some of them get involved in the project in terms of validation going forward? Man, it's really cool. Uh, it's really cool, but. Uh, just in general, just with the community, like what I know it's sort of gone away from the question, but just what we love, 4,600 holders, like jumping into the, or like sometimes find him, must find myself just going like, well, is this sort of like a dream?Like you sorta just have to step back. You're like, am I just going to wake up? And that damn like, went back in August, this never happened. Or just, you know, continuing on with whatever else we're doing. Um, so it's sort of surreal like that just with the community, which is a really cool thing. But, um, no, I mean like the celebrities in the.Uh, the athletes, um, yeah, that's been organic or organic. Sorry. I'm like nothing from us anyways. Like the, the teams specifically bringing in those ones. Um, but yeah, I think it's really cool. Like it just goes to back, I guess they believe in either the project and the community or, you know, it's probably because they resonate with the art as well.Um, like from a few of the things that I've seen. Um, which I guess makes sense. You know, everyone feels like a, you know, a lot of people feel like they're aligned, particularly athletes. Uh, um, yeah, it's it. Awesome. I got a highlight Tyrese Halliburton for a minute. Cause we talked about him last week on the show because the big news was that he, uh, wore a pair of sneakers during an NBA game, featuring his board ape on his shoe.So my question for you is, you know, has there been any talks of Tyrese Haliber and having his lion on his shoe? Is that something you guys would love to see? And what has the reaction been from the community of that possible? I think that's so cool. Like now that we're seeing it, he's going into a culture like that.Yeah. That's um, that's awesome. Um, I got a lot of respect for board apes as well. I mean, they've sort of paved the way for a lot of projects out outta here right now. I think it'd be really cool if you wanted to do something like that. And with the lazy. I mean, I don't know. How's the community feel about that when you recognize that guys in the chat, let us know.I mean, I'm seeing a comment here when lion shoe, uh, you know, is that something you guys would love to see an NBA game with lazy lion sneakers being worn? Uh, you know, I know we got a ton of press about the board ape shoes last week, and it was really cool to just see an NFT, you know, on a shoe in real life.The screen, um, you know, and Burton's changed his shoes, uh, you know, pretty much every game. So I have a feeling, you know, that he's not done and there's his lazy lie in there on screen. So, uh, can we get that on a shoe? I think that'd be pretty sweet. Yeah, that's awesome. You called it Chris. Let's see. Let's make it happen.Let's make it happen. The crowd would be roaring. David says great comment. There. All right, guys. So back to the discord really quick. So again, you guys have over 80 K discord members, you know, I'm sure we've all been crazy. Discords where they're spamming and just out of control. So what do you guys do to manage the discord?Yeah, we've got a great team, great team. And that's, um, you know, not just, uh, uh, just the community managers that we have in there, but even the moderators as well. And I think anyone in the community with. Um, you know, a lot of people I could shout out individually, but yeah, the modes, the community managers, um, support team, and even just like the w we've got like different roles.Like we have one called like a role, uh, Royal king, sorry. And these are like community members that are sorta like self appointed by the community itself. It's funny. It's like, we don't even choose. It's like, it's very obvious it should be this role. And they're the ones that are sort of. The community outside of the actual moderators.And I feel like the community itself just does a great job of like, self-governing like if somebody comes in and sends somebody that something that they shouldn't it's very quickly resolved by itself, which is just a beautiful thing. Um, so it's like, even though we have, you know, the more and more we scale up and grow, um, it hasn't been too much of the.Um, but yeah, that's, that's how it sort of does it, so it doesn't get, like, it gets crazy at times, for sure. Especially on like, you know, Lauren's days and like rewards, especially. And we've got that one coming up this Friday, um, when the, uh, Downey's is sent out, you know, it gets pretty dense pretty well of that day because it's a bit of fun, but, uh, now it's all governed quite well.I think. Um, that's awesome. How active are you guys? Both in the discord. And do you have any like favorite channels in there? I'm probably a bit too active in the, um, in the disc, like considering like, um, also, um, like leading up like the product team and obviously like, uh, just trying to keep my eyes on everything else in, uh, in the project.Um, but man, it's just so addicting being in the discordant. Like what do you, I guess it's just like, it's hard not to be what up in the, in the moment. And then you're sitting there for like half an hour, just chatting back and forth with everybody in the. And the community. I think we get FOMO too. You want to scroll back and see what you've missed.Finally, you said the scrolling through your phone for a little bit to try to catch up with everybody and what they're saying, but in terms of favorite channel, I would have to say it's probably, um, it's probably, it's probably cabana bar. That's our, that's our main channel for lazy line holders. Um, so it's sort of, you know, it's only available to them.Um, but when that channel starts to pick up, it's really fast to pick up on. There's a lot of great discussions that, um, Uh, so yeah, you learn a lot and it's, it's great. Speaking of the community, uh, specifically lazy line holders and then, yeah, that would be probably my favorite channel. I'd say there's lots of London.Yeah, love that. So we've seen a lot of discord hacks over the last couple of weeks. You know, this court, Twitter hacks, you know, different kinds of schemes going on there. Are you guys taking any precautions towards, you know, protecting the discord? Uh, let's start with you. Yeah. Sure. So recently we've done like a, an audit of our bots just to ensure that there is no, no left over bots that are lurking, that we sort of don't need.Um, majority of our web hooks. I know they can be a little bit risky, um, in regards to, yeah. So I know that one of the discourse I apparently got, you know, got it. They got into it because of a web hook. So we started to, you know, just review the web books, make sure they're all clean. Make sure there's nothing we don't know about.Um, we've started to leave sticky bots, uh, sort of sticky notes in each of our. I know that sometimes you can get DMS from fake collab land when you try to verify your NFTs. So we have sticky notes that, um, you know, just say, make sure, like, just confirm correct collab, land, which other scans, it leads the country, uh, of that channel.So nobody can see like, so no collab then can sort of see who's typing, you know, exclamation mark join to verify that. And if they, so just little things here and there to really just clean up the discord, make sure there's nothing that's sort of. Leftover to ensure the safety of the community members.That's, that's what we've been doing. And we'll continue to automate it just to make sure that nothing happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pretty much that. And um, I mean, cause our discord is like so important to us as well, right? Like it's such like it's front and center of our. Um, like the project strategy, right?It's like, that's what we're really trying to grow and build a community. Cause like we've always said that like the project is the community, the community is the project. And like we're making a, we're making our bed on the discord platform. Um, that's not to say it's perfect. Like I feel like there's, you know, there's a few things that I, you know, I'd love to suggest to the disco, um, team members and just, you know, things that I think would benefit the platform.Um, Overall, particularly as like entity and crypto is becoming more and more of a thing that's using discord. Um, cause like we've let so many important, um, positives, like we've got like a professional networking section. Um, cause it's funny. It, it goes, it's sort of gone away from the question, but it sort of ties into like what's the value in an inequity?Um, like that's a question that I've, you know, I had asked, uh, a few times basically for people that aren't in crypto, like why would you get an NFTA? Like what do you actually get out of it? Yeah. Uh, like one of the most obvious things is the community. And some people just look at that and go, oh, like, what is that?It's like, well, like, you know, it's just because they're cartoon characters. I think the stigma is like, people think it's it's little children or like fat kids in their mother's basements that are buying these entities. Right. And it's like, that's not the, that's definitely not the case. Right. Like, Like we're speaking with, you know, with like C level executives with doctors, with lawyers, like whatever their industry they're in, you know, our reporters, like people at the top of their industry, right.Are like really smart, intelligent people. So it's like, um, how much does it cost to get into like a professional networking? Um, uh, you know, like, oh, like, you know, how will, what's the cost of that to be a part of that? Create those kinds of connections. Right. And that's something we've doubled down on. So we have like a whole professional networking section and in the discord, um, like we have gaming sections, um, marketplace, um, like all these other things.So it's really critical to us. And security is really important as well. Um, those hacks are pretty scary, so it's just things that were, yeah. Like , those are some of the things that we're doing to make sure that, that Allstate. Uh, secure love that. So you actually just led me on to the next question I had for you guys.I'm going to have a list of pull up this chart here. So someone posted this in the tweet and the tweet last night, and it's interesting because it breaks down all the demographics, right? So there's, you know, 4.6 owners. Yeah. So this is really interesting, right? Gender, you know, 92% male, 8% female, top three age groups, 26 to 35 leads.Uh, 36 to 45 is second. See, I wouldn't have guessed that 19 to 20 five-year-olds is third. Uh, this one to 53% are married. 44% are single 60%, no kids, 33%, one to two kids. Can you guys tell us a little bit more about all these stats, man? This is really cool. Yeah, it's really interesting. I think some of those numbers would love for them to be a little bit different, um, particularly cause we have.I think if you compare that to the average would probably be a bit better. It's basically in terms of, you know, having more or, um, more females in the, in the project being inclusive is obviously one of our core values rather than being exclusive. But this was just part of a survey that we, we did a while back.Um, Uh, yeah. And it's interesting, like target market is, you know, 25 to 45 year old males, obviously high disposable income as well. Um, but, um, yeah, it's definitely interesting. We thought other brands would be, you know, we'd love to see that kind of information, particularly now as we've got the collectibles, um, you know, probably sneak, peeking a bit too much of that.Um, but just to look at about that, but that's something that we've got coming out. Um, Quite soon. Uh, and that, I think it's an opportunity for, you know, we've had so many requests to do like collabs, um, you know, so many projects that have hit us up and we're like, Hey, can we do something? And we just haven't done anything with them strictly because we just haven't wanted to pay like any influences.That's not been our strategy on the really cringe. Um, it just goes against that values. So this is an opportunity for us to actually partner up with brands in a meaningful way. So that's why we shared that. That data. Um, and I think it's quite valuable daughter to Danielson and entities, but yeah, that's, that was the reasoning behind it.Awesome. So one of the things we've talked a lot about on the roadmap, obviously NFTs have seen huge interest this year. And we also have news that Coinbase a leading crypto platform is launching their own NFT marketplace. So they actually pulled their audience asking for favorite NFT communities. And of course the lions community.Came through and roared and Coinbase actually retweeted. And they said roar louder for the people in the back. Please. Uh, tell us what this means. Uh, you know, have you been in talks with Coinbase at all or is this just validation that Coinbase sees the large community here? Um, that's one of those things where I probably shouldn't say too much, maybe just because I can't say too much, but I think that might be enough there just to say that you can't comment.So maybe we got it. We got it out of here anyway. But I think it's really cool. All right. I think it's really cool and it's really exciting time. So we'll see what, um, you know, we'll see what happens with the platform and then we've all got a lot of hopes. Um, but at the same time, you know, like we've got to be a little bit skeptical.Like there's a bit of pressure on them to make sure everything comes out. Well, it's not a guarantee or anything. Like we saw what happened with like Google plus, right. Um, just because you're the biggest doesn't mean it's going to be a guarantee, but, um, I think the fact that they moving into NFT.Entities and they're focusing on it is extremely bullish, right? Um, so I've got, I've got high hopes and they got my support. Love it, Google plus. Wow. Take taken me back there. I definitely, I definitely had a Google plus account where I would share links to articles that I wrote to try to get increased page views, but yeah, goo Google plus a diet and unfortunate death there.But yeah, that's a phrase I haven't heard in a while. Um, I think we have AR in the chat and I believe there was a mention of a tattoo. We do have a picture and a video of this tattoo. Uh, again, we, we talked to a lot of NFTE teams, right? And w we occasionally see strong engagement and we do not see too many tattoos.So tell us a little bit about, you know, uh, why this tattoo came to be, um, looks like AR you know, called out for the floor price and then got the tattoo. Is this something you guys do about at a time and how did the community. Uh, man, I think everybody loves it. Like look at how clean that thing. Like man, whoever the tattoo was like, yeah, he's got some really good work, but um, no that was all right.That was something he called out back when we first, when we first launched it, I remember seeing that and it was like, why did he say it's like, when were you reached to a, I'm gonna get my live. And I remember looking at that and like, obviously, like I'm extremely bullish on what I've got completely.Like from the early days, I was like, sure, like, you know, we can do, we can achieve whatever we set our minds to. Right. And I still believe that. Um, so I was like this, guy's going to have to get a tattoo of his life. That is a sweet looking tattoo. Uh, I mean, loved watching that video. So clean, so shout out to the artists too.Um, but yeah, I mean, seeing someone get a tattoo, I mean, that's great validation for, for the longevity of this project and the community. So, uh, an AR in the chat, I mean, a nice looking tattoo and thanks for joining us for the stream today. Uh, along with the tattoo talk and validation, another area where we've seen NFT projects, you know, connect with their community.As we just had Halloween and I saw some lazy lions, Halloween costumes. Um, you know, is that something that you guys, uh, you know, called for, did a contest at all? Or is this just people happen in because they wanted to dress as their lion. Yeah, this was just, this was purely community-based. Um, when I actually saw that image and retweeted it on the main Twitter account, that was absolutely awesome that people were getting so involved.I really liked it. I'd love that lazy hat as well. It looks so clean. I want it personally, but it was, yeah, that was just completely community driven in hold a competition. They just went out of their way and yeah, it's just beautiful to see. That's awesome. Uh, yeah, I mean, what a cool Halloween costume.That is a sweet looking hat too. Um, but keep that in mind, any lions in the chat, if you're looking for a Halloween costume next year, I know it's a year away, but start planning to work on your lion costume now. Um, so you can be ready. Uh, you mentioned a little bit about collectibles, right? So we got a little bit of a teaser.One of the things we are called the roadmap after all is we always try to hear about, you know, what's next. So I know you guys can't share too much, but can we get a little bit more information on collectibles and maybe what's ahead for lion holders. Nine, if you don't have a problem. I mean, why not? Like I've got a lot of respect for this show, so it looks sneaky.All right. So essentially this ties in with our values and our mission as well. Right. Which is obviously like our value is one of our values is, you know, rather than being an exclusive community, which you don't know a lot of. Uh, you know, focusing on being, which is fine and like that works really well.And I've got a lot of respect for a lot of other projects. I would never bash another one, but I'm like ours is to be inclusive rather than exclusive. So, um, we're trying to build obviously the biggest and it's the community, that's our mission. And part of that is bringing new people that aren't necessarily in NSCS right now.And I feel like we sort of shoulder that responsibility as we've become. Um, you know, just from what other people have told me, it seems like we were kind of one of the leading projects now, at least like in the top, you know, I think like on open seat, like top 40 or all the time traded those types of things.So I feel like we have a responsibility to actually, um, you know, to try and lead the space and, and bring in new people into the community rather than just, you know, those existing members. We already have enough teas. And I think the challenge is. Because it's still so early, like the interfaces and everything, it's not super easy to get into it.Like know just the act of having to create a wallet and minting and gas. It's sort of like, you know, I said, it's like, if you're telling a friend or family member of someone that you know, coworker about entities and they're not in it already, it's like, Hey, we've got a lazy lion. This community is amazing.Oh, cool. How much is it? And he's like one eighth and I look up one eight. They're like what? That's not how I'm going to get started. Right. So it's like, okay, how can we say. I have those, um, people still become a part of the community without having to fork out that much straightaway. And that's where this sort of referral program collectible thing came to mind.So essentially what it is is every community member or every new person that you invite to the community, all they have to do is join discord and they will get a pack of tokens for free that they can claim on our website. Um, and this pack will be a random, you know, it'll be a set of cards. Um, you know, like we had to have a lane, next one will be, um, uh, like, uh, Thanksgiving.Right. Which is what we've got planned. So that's probably a sneak peek there more than I should. Um, so there'll be, you know, a set of eight, eight, uh, Thanksgiving cards. Um, and every pack that you open, you'll get two random ones. And the idea is complete the set and you enter to win a lazy lions. Um, so this way, anyone who's not in the community already can just join up, join the disco and get a pack.And if they want to get more packs, they just invite more people. And we cover the gas company. These tokens appear on open. See they can list them free without having to pay any gas that's all covered. So someone could come in, not pay a single cent, get one of the rare tokens, list them, and then, you know, make a profit or try and complete the sentence, win a prize.Um, and I think it just ties in, like we said, without values gives them an opportunity to experience what mentoring is. Um, and then, you know, bringing in the ecosystem and understand the true benefits of web three. So. A bit of a lengthy explanation, but yeah, that's, that's what the collectibles ideas. And what does that mean?We appreciate the background there. Yeah, when's the launch. Yep. So right now that is in, um, if we've got like a soft Bader internally, um, that's scheduled for launch, uh, next with next week. So we've got rewards this week. Oh, wow. Is that a big thing? And then we've got this coming out next week. That's awesome.That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, pretty excited. You'll definitely see. Um, I think this will, yeah, we'll see how it goes, but I can see it having a pretty positive effect. I think so. Yeah. I, we we've seen some of these card ones do well too, and that's a great way. Like you said, to bring new people into the community and also the referral program, uh, you know, I'm a big fan of that.So. You know, uh, we wish you luck with that. And thanks for breaking that news here on the roadmap, it's always exciting to, you know, hear what's next from these projects. And, you know, I think that a community out there is loving this. Absolutely. I mean, that's amazing bringing new people in is the biggest part of the game.That's that's really awesome. Uh, let's take it to, we have some questions from the chat here. Um, the first question that I saw earlier in the interview today, we had a question from Brendan bald. Uh, he's asking, do you guys have any plans or hopes to develop the IP into film or TV or even comic books?So the cool thing is I've already seen a few projects do it. Um, and I think they're just, you know, they hold the, uh, lazy lines and if feed themselves, once you hold it, you're able to go and create these things yourself, um, are stressing. Like we're open to it, but there's no immediate plans for it, but I've seen a few cool things going around on Twitter.Yeah. I love that. Um, let's see. Do we have any more questions from the chat here, Chris, that we want to think we got most of the questions answered. Well, you know, the, uh, people loved hearing the Coinbase conversation again, and people loving this roadmap talk. Um, we're seeing merge now asked from Morgan.Um, you guys, I think you, do you have some merch already or ends for Merck in the works? Uh, we've got much in the works. So, um, you know, I've seen, what's been being worked on, um, I think the community's going to love what we, what we release with this. Um, so yeah, not, not quite yet, but that's in the works.It's coming out soon. And then mass. How about that? A question there from a breezy in the chat, uh, that, that could be a fun one. Oh, yeah. So when Arizona ice tea collab, can you guys tell us more about that? Is that a rumor or, you know, is this question coming out of nowhere? Um, yeah, I mean, there's nothing like official going on.Um, what's nice. Is it sort of ties back into the collective. Um, to is now like, again, if there are any brands listening as well, I feel like there's definitely an opportunity for the brands who are wanting to get into entities, particularly with like more established projects. Um, at least for us, this is an opportunity for us to actually partner up with brands in a way that's actually beneficial for everyone involved.So, um, you know, if we were doing those, you know, biweekly, um, releases of collectible cards and one of them. The Arizona theme, just for the sake of argument. Um, but yeah, not nothing official, but we're definitely open. Perfect. Yeah, I did see Arizona as one of the owners mentioned in the, uh, celebrity spotlight, um, on that cool graphic and the facts that we shared.So I think that's where maybe that rumor comes from. Um, but we'll wait. We'll wait to hear more details from you guys in the future. Well, I think that's going to do it for today's interview, you know, nine Asher big. Thank you for both of you coming on our show. I know it's early morning where you guys are at, um, your flexibility with doing that.Also shout out to the latest science community. I mean, mass, look at them. They're in full force here in the chat during this whole interview. So a shout out to lazy. Absolutely. I mean, this has honestly been one of the biggest communities I've seen and I'm personally measured by the Twitter. You know, I see on my Twitter, the profile picture, I mean, I see a lie and I would say one out of every 10, if that, I mean, you guys are killing it.I can't wait to have you guys come on again and just, you know, do some updates in the. Yeah, man, this is a lot of fun. Um, I have like, everyone's been waiting for it for a while. So this is tape spot. It went by a lot quicker than I thought it would. Alice. That's how you know, but, uh, yeah, not, King's definitely out to doing this.Yeah, well, we will, we will have to have you guys back on. Um, so thanks again, nine and Asher, uh, before I let everyone go here, uh, mass, we do not have a show tomorrow. Um, I know I said we're going Tuesday, Wednesdays and Thursdays, 2:00 PM. Eastern time. Benzinga is hosting. 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How To Buy NFTs What is a Non-Fungible Token NFT How To Make Your Own NFT Best NFT InvestmentsEpisode SummaryJoining us today for a SPECIAL episode of The Roadmap - Lazy Lions! The NFT Community for Kings.Guests:Lazy Lions: https://twitter.com/LazyLionsNFTAshur, Co-Founder: https://twitter.com/AshurNFThttps://opensea.io/collection/lazy-lionsHosts:Chris KatjeMazhttps://bitclout.com/u/mazFollow The Roadmap on Twitter!Disclaimer: All of the information, material, and/or content contained in this program is for informational purposes only. Investing in stocks, options, and futures is risky and not suitable for all investors. Please consult your own independent financial adviser before making any investment decisions.Unedited Transcript:Welcome to the roadmap. Benzing. As new NFT show, we've had some great teams on past episodes. Pixel vault, art blocks, the Vogel collective robots, the dos pound owning force, crypto dads, dizzy dragons, sub doc, and.Today. We have the team from lazy lions joining us on the 6:00 PM Eastern time, special edition of the roadmap. Stay tuned, everyone. We've got a great show coming up. This is the roadmap. All right, everyone. Yet, if you did not hear me at the start, Benzing his new show. The road. Covering NFT news and doing interviews with top projects out there.And we've got a great interview coming up to night. But before I talk about that, let me go ahead and bring on my cohost mass mass. What's going on, buddy? Yeah, what's going on Chris? It's a pleasure to be here it's Monday. So it's throwing off stuff a little bit, you know, different time, you know, different day.Uh, it's going to be a great episode. Yeah. You know, we, we ere Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 2:00 PM. Eastern time. We're three days a week now, but we had the opportunity to get this team on a stream live at night. And we said, of course, let's go because mass lazy lions. I mean, we talk all the time about projects.We talk about community. I mean, this is a big one and they're showing up in the chat. They've got 6,000 people in the discord, almost 50,000 followers on Twitter. And this isn't a new project. I mean, this minted back in August and this community is just getting stronger and stronger. Absolutely. So funny story, right.We first found out about this community when we shot an episode and then the comments, you know, they started, you know, talking to them. We tweeted something out when Zynga, I don't know if you remember that Chris and went crazy. So when Zynga is now, so, you know, thank you guys for tuning in. It's going to be a great episode.Yeah. I mean, the chat spoke, right. And also, I mean, mass, you saw it, right. We put out a couple of tweets sharing the preview of this video. Right. And the engagement on those tweets was insane. And that's how we know that there is going to be a lot of people here. A lot of people excited for this interview when we get that kind of crazy engagement on Twitter.So if you guys are new to the roadmap, please like this video, please subscribe to Benzinga channel. Again. We air the roadmap Tuesday, Wednesdays, and Thursdays, 2:00 PM. Eastern time. Mass before we get into the interview. I think we need everyone in the chat to roar. Right? I want to see some roars out there and we can play our trailer and get started with this interview again, mass, I mean this minted at 0.05, we've got a floor price of over one it's sold out in its first day.And again, this was back in. You know, so a different time than what we're seeing now. All right. So joining us on the roadmap today, we have Asher the co-founder of lazy lions and nine. The developer got to go ahead, bring these guys on the stream. What's going on here.We've been doing that lately, where we do these trailers. We love putting those trailers out, you know, on Twitter, getting some engagement built up, but it's a great way to bring on our guests, right? It's almost like entrance music to play you guys onto the stream. So we're glad that you liked it. And we're super excited to have you guys on the stream and also this loyal community in the chat.Right.Super excited for this one. So yeah, that's definitely going to be exciting. And I just noticed now, as I'm looking at this. I came in a bit more casual with my hoodie and I see you've got the real Madrid shirt and all that.All right, guys. Well, let's dive into some questions. Uh, before we get into Lacy lions, one of the first questions I always like to start with is. Tell us about your experience with NFTs prior to lazy lions, where you collectors, were you investors or was lazy lions, your first entry into the NFT space? Uh, let's start with nine on this one and, uh, hear from you.Yeah, sure. Um, so NFTs for us was very interesting actually, because when we first started, we were very into sort of like. Um, so we used to play a lot of games when we were younger. Um, and that, and then we start to learn about, you know, crypto it first started when we got into cryptocurrencies. Uh, we know a little bit about that and it started to move into NFTs.I personally had an action collected any NFTs at the time, but it just tied in like the way that I understood it was like, oh yeah, it's on a blockchain, you know, proof of ownership. There was rarely factor involved. And that just took me back to our younger days when we used to play games and it just resonated with us and we spoke about it and we're like, yeah, this is, this is the space.And when you were, and then we started to work together and getting to the NFV space and start looking like building lazy lines from the ground up. Um, that's really how it started. I personally didn't collect any, I know Ash, I think you've, I think you've bought one, but yeah, he touch on that more. Yeah.Ashley let's hear from you and FTS. Were you in before lazy lions? Yeah, for sure. Um, I mean, just.Uh, code up different things and then, um, you know, taken to market. That was always a lot of fun. Um, with crypto, for me, um, I wasn't like a big crypto guy, like even during the. Um, it is that the, the vibe that really interested me, cause I saw the value of the metal offsets. It still makes a lot of sense, but it didn't hit me as like, oh, this is going to be a really big thing.Cause I couldn't see it being like a cultural impact, but NFTs for me, it was beginning of this year. And as soon as I like started that. To me, I'm like, this is not going anyway. Like digital ownership. Like we grew up, you know, playing video games where you've spent all that time and energy and money as well, but you can never take that thing outside of the game.And it's like, now you can actually do that. It's just, so for me, it's a no brainer. This is definitely not going anywhere. Um, one of my favorite entities actually like a full lights. In our bungalow and a bungalow is an NFC that we dropped where you can showcase your other entities. Um, it's actually forgotten ruins character.Um, and this probably ties in with what nine was saying. You know, we'd be gay. This girl playing greenscape loved that game and that little guy. Like, he just reminds me so much of my childhood. I tell you, I don't know how much that could go up in value, but I don't think I'm ever going to sell it. So, um, I guess a collector before, before these lines, if you want to.Yeah, it sounds like he's not going to sell it. Well, awesome love here in the video game. Talk as well. That's a common thing that we hear from different people behind NFT projects. Uh, you know, nine, you mentioned a little bit, uh, U2, uh, you know, getting involved together. Wondering if we can hear, or if we can hear more of the background, how did this team come to be and why the decision, you know, to, to launch lazy lions, uh, why a lion, why this type of artwork any a behind the scenes insight there?Yeah, sure. So it was, it first started. I think it was actually my birthday when we first started discussing like, um, cryptocurrencies and. It's a lot of getting into it. And we were talking just back talking about different coins that we were interested in. Um, and then later down the track, I believe it was Ashley that came up to me was like, Hey man, have you heard of NFTs?And I was like, yeah, I've heard of them. They pretty much just like JPEGs. Right. And he's like, yeah, but you can actually own, like, you could see those as NFTs and there's a very flexible and it all started resonating. And we're like, you know what? This makes sense. This makes sense to us being video game players, back in the days, it all like proof of ownership was a big thing for us being able to actually prove that you own this NFT just made sense.Uh, just made sense to us and we thought, you know, just discussing it. And we sort of just branched out to the team as well. And they all understood the. And then pretty much from there, we just thought, you know what let's just think of, um, think of the next best thing. And with that with us, we always went back to our heritage.So lions were pretty much a part of our heritage cause we were from an, a student. So that just resonated with us and we just yet went full throttle with that. Yeah. I mean, just a few other things as well. Like the whole Kings and Queensland, hopefully my audio is working better now. I'm using AirPods and I realized it was a different setting.Um, like just growing up, we've always referred to each other as Kings, right. Like even just with mates around. Um, and I feel like that's something that's just hit off for you. What would the community, and it's probably a small thing. Like there might be people in the audience outside of the lazy lions community.Coming to their king or queen, but I think it goes more than that. Like it ties in with that values, which is yes, we're all Kings and Queens, but no one's above anyone else. And I feel like that's something that resonates with a lot of people in web three. Um, so yeah, just a few little things like that.Love that. So guys, so the floor is over one eighth, you guys have over 86 K into this school. And the 49 K on Twitter. So how do you guys personally measure the success of this project? Let's start with you Asher, if you can tell us a little bit more. Yeah. You know, it's, it's interesting. Like there are a few different ways you can, you can look at it.Um, and that, and that we do track, right? Like obviously we've got our own KPIs that, you know, we had really, really smart people who know the ins and outs of, um, the whole economics behind it. Yeah. Tell us what metrics we should be looking. Um, and the community knows that, um, it, it ties in with that mission, which is pretty simply it's to become the, the biggest and best entity community there is.That's, that's our mission. Um, obviously we're a bit biased. We think we've already got one of those. Um, but to be the biggest, it's very black and white, so that's what we're aiming for. Not to put anyone else down. I, I love some of the other projects that are out there, but that's just our mission anyways.Right. Um, so that's one way that we track success. Um, That's small quantitative like qualitative, just speaking with community members, the five, particularly in this dip right now. I feel like for me, um, that's what really just reassures me that we're on the right path. Just, you know, you jump into the discord, you see what's being posted.You have chats with community members. I try to say. Um, spend a fair bit of my time just having those, like one-on-one chats with community members. Um, I feel like that's a really important thing. Like just, um, like really like, Hey, like how are things going? Like, you know what he feels blocking us, like real deeper conversation.Um, and that's just been like, it's not obviously like all positive, like they're always things that we can be improving on, but overall it feels like we're on the right track. So that's, that's the way we measure it. Yes. We've got data that having those conversations with community members, um, tells me we're on the right track.I love that. Yeah, same. I like to hop in a discord and you know, you see the activity level. You know, there's been so many discourse throughout this period that are just dead, you know? Cause it's, we're kind of an embarrassed market, so there's no one, you know, having conversation, seeing you guys have this activity is amazing.Uh, how about you a nine? What, what, how do you measure the success of the. Yeah. So similar to what, similar to what Ash said. I think for me personally, it's during this fast success of the project, just jumping into the discord and seeing how active it is on a, on a daily basis. Being able to hold these, um, conversations with, you know, my team members and, you know, moderators and community members.And they're all, we're all on the same page. We all understand what the, you know, what we're here to do. And just, yeah, just seeing how active for me personally, because I'm more on the community is just how active it actually is. And seeing the word being spread out, spread out on Twitter, spread out in discord.That really just resonates with me. So I love that. So can you guys tell us a little bit more about bungalows and how they, uh, you know, coming to the lazy lion world? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, and so I guess when we started, right, like we had a few things, um, In mind for the roadmap. Um, and we didn't want to be different just for the sake of being different, but at the same time, it's, it was very obvious to us that if we just, I guess, copied what other projects were doing, like we could find our own way.I think that that was a bit lane. Like that's not what we're about. Um, we're in a new space. I think there's a really good opportunity for us to build something unique and that's fun to us. Right. And it's something that was that we noticed during our research of NFTs, like at the beginning of the year was like, how do you show these things?Yeah, that was the question I had. Um, and I spent a fair bit of time looking into that. I still feel like there's no great solution, um, in real life, if anyone has something like, you know, a great way to like show them off in frames or whatever the ambulance go down, I'd love to know. Cause I want to bring out obviously my line, um, and a few other odd faces.Yeah, that's in the real world. And, um, you know, in the digital world, you know, how do you show these things off? I've seen a few like, um, social media websites, but nothing great. So just to us, it was like, well, Twitter ban is not being used. Profile photos are what if we could show off NFTs in the Twitter banner, um, and you know, sticking with our values as well, which is to be inclusive rather than.Being exclusive, which I think a lot of other projects really focused on, you know, they're trying to build this exclusive community, um, and that works for them and that's great, but where we're different to that, you know, we're trying to, you know, we're aiming to be inclusive. So, um, sticking with that nature, it's like, you don't just have to show off your lazy lines and, um, without new bungalows DAP, which is on dot com, you can edit any bungle.It, you have to include any NFT that you weren't. Even if it's not lazy lions related. So, um, yeah, that's, that's how it works. It's a bit of background as to why. That's awesome. So me and Chris liked to ask this question on to our guests, every episode, what are some of your favorite traits from the lazy lion?So were there any unique traits that you particularly liked that no one knows about? Let's start with you nine. Can you tell us a little bit more, you know, which lions do you like the best or what traits do you like the most. That's a good question. That's that's a great question. Um, which ones are the ones that are being slept on?Let's let you personally love, you know, honestly, I think I used to love the, I like actually like the, really like the lederhosen. Um, it is one of the ones that I had originally as my PFE or my line had it. You had the better hosing shirt out of my eyes, and I believe it had the halo just look very innocent.So I was like, yeah, this one, this one resonates with me. Um, but I think that one's a little bit slipped on as well. It's, it's, you know, it is one of the rare ones as well, but you don't see too many people will actually actually with it. Sowhat about you Asher? Um, there's a couple big. Uh, a big party guide just because of the whole childhood thing, but, um, basically these, uh, these sorts of fire, I think, um, and I know I'll get in. Um, I'll get a bit of stick if I, Aaron, and he's proud of that team as well. He is a community manager. I know he loves the lazy hat.Um, so that one should probably get some recognition as well. I think that one's probably a fan favorite. Yeah. That's been some call-outs for us, steak mouth in the chat as well. It looks like there's some fans of the meat and the steak out there in the chat right now that guy's going to get about 50 steak bouts.So that's why, that's why, that's why. So there's a little bit of a bias going on. Oh man. Well, Sorry. There's a little bit of a little trait combo that I like as well. So if you have like a, if there's a scratch body and they have a ripped shirt, you can see the scratches underneath the shirt, which is what just comes out really nice.So it's a little thing that I sort of go for as well. I like the nice, nice call out there. What about you guys? Yeah. You know, I seeing them, I like the steak right there, you know, and again, I, I know there's someone in the chat, you know, bias towards that, but I liked the steak. I liked the party hat. I know there was the halo, um, you know, some of the different, uh, the headpiece traits.Um, I liked, but I also have seen some real clean ones too. Uh, you know, that are impressive. Uh, what about. Um, football Jersey, you know, big football guy. And then I do like, so I do like anything theorem based from any collection. I'm always trying to find like, is there a theme chain or anything like that?I saw you guys having it there in business shirt. I like that one as well. So yeah, exactly. That one right there. So always those little subtle pieces. I think that's cool. Definitely. All right. Well, you guys also have roar words for your owners to reward the community members. Can you tell us a little bit about.Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, this is probably what been one of the biggest, uh, I guess like catalysts of the project, particularly at the beginning, uh, at the early stage of, sorry. To put it simply, uh, rewards is what it sounds like it's a rewards program exclusively for lazy lion holders. So this is one of the advantages, or I guess, utility of being a lion NFT holder.Um, every month you're eligible for rewards in the form of eight by completing activities that, uh, That benefit the project. So, you know, community engaging activities and part of those, you know, they change from month to month, but one of those might be, you know, setting your profile photo or on Twitter to your lazy lion entity.Um, and you know, I feel the little things like that, and that might be why you see, you know, quite a few, um, you know, about how those changing their profile photo, um, to the lines, particularly the, the early stages, but what we found now, it's really interesting, right. Um, And I should probably explain why we did this, but what we've seen is like, it was a good reason.It was a reason why a lot of, um, people I guess, came to the project. Um, but what's happened now is like, it's becomes so insignificant where they just, they love their lines so much. They don't really care about rewards anymore. Like, that's a lot of the feedback that we get is like, yeah, that was really nice at the beginning, but it's like now I love my profile photo so much.I'm not gonna change it. Even if you would've paid me to. So it's like, it's sort of changed, um, how they, how they view it. Um, but I think it's important to like, to explain why we did this. Um, it's sort of like a marketing expense, I guess if we, if we look at it that way, like from the project's point of view, like I know a lot of other collections and then this isn't me bashing anyone else.Go down the route, which is the easy route of, you know, paying like an influencer to change their profile better and, you know, paying a big amount, a large amount of Psalm, one influence, a change, that profile photo. Great. We saw that as a big crunch and we're like, is there another way to do this? Um, but obviously we still need to do marketing.Like obviously the project needs to be marketed. Um, and we're like, what if instead of just giving it to one celebrity or influencer. What if we just give that to the community and instead of just one big amount to one person, we just spread it out to the community. I'm like, well, that ties in with the whole, you know, web three N model.So that's how we went. And we just created a system that allows us to do that. Essentially the community gets rewarded for, um, marketing the, the project. And I feel like that's worked one just for us. Yeah. I mean, that's my, that's my opinion, but I think, you know, if you jump on Twitter and you just look at all the activity from lazy lion holders, it feels like it's sort of evolved beyond that as well.This is awesome, dude, this is some alpha for anybody looking to start a project. Seriously. I noticed that there's your marketing right there. And if you're looking to create an NFT project, yeah. I mean, what a great way, love that. And, you know, look at the numbers you guys have too in building the community and the community.I mean, being so loyal months after the launch. So clearly that rewards is working. Um, I saw a picture on Twitter. That you guys had a meetup in New York city, some lions holders. Um, were you guys involved in that? Have you met any, uh, lions holders and, uh, you know, talk to us about future events for lion?Hey, the Kings and I wish we were that. So where, um, we're still in lockdown here and study CD. Um, so I think we're just now starting to get out of lockdown, but as soon as we can fly out, like desperately, we'll be meeting up with laser line holders, but no, that was community led. Um, a lot of, a lot of really good feedback actually from that one.Um, everybody seemed to really enjoy themselves. Um, but yeah, that was a little community, but we'll definitely look at doing more of that. Um, as soon as we're able to fly out. That's awesome. I mean, showing the initiative by the community there, I mean, that's something we don't see out of every project, uh, doing these, you know, these meetups.So a, another great sign of how big this community really is. Um, I did see, you know, that there are quite a few celebrities that also own lazy lions. Um, that's something we talk about a lot on the show. A lot of athletes does Bryant, Josh Hart, Seth Curry, uh, Tyrese Haliber and also we've got Jake Paul John rule.Uh, talk to us a little bit, you know, I know you guys didn't go after all these celebrities, what does it mean to see some of them get involved in the project in terms of validation going forward? Man, it's really cool. Uh, it's really cool, but you. Uh, just in general, just with the community, like what I know it's sort of gone away from the question, but just what we love, 4,600 holders, like jumping into the, or like I sometimes find, must find myself just going like, well, is this sort of like a dream?Like you sorta just have to step back. You're like, well, I'm just going to wake up. And that damn like went back in August. This never happened. Or just, you know, continuing on with whatever else we're doing. Um, so it's sort of surreal like that just with the community, which is a really cool thing. But, um, no, I mean like the celebrities in the.Uh, the athletes, um, yeah, that's been all organic or organic. Sorry. I'm like nothing from us anyways. Like the, the teams specifically bringing in those ones. Um, but yeah, I think it's really cool. Like, it just goes to back, I guess they had belief in either the project and the community or, you know, it's probably because they resonate with the art as well.Um, like from a few of the things that I've seen. Um, which I guess makes sense. You know, everyone feels like, you know, a lot of people feel like they're aligned, particularly athletes. Uh, um, yeah. It's, uh, Awesome. I got a highlight Tyrese Halliburton for a minute. Cause we talked about him last week on the show because the big news was that he, uh, wore a pair of sneakers during an NBA game, featuring his board ape on his shoe.So my question for you is, you know, has there been any talks of Tyrese Haliber and having his lion on his shoe? Is that something you guys would love to see? And what has the reaction been from the community of that possible? I think that's so cool. Hey, like now that we're seeing it as he's going into a culture like that.Yeah. That's um, no, that's awesome. Um, I got a lot of respect for board apps as well. I mean, they sort of paved the way for a lot of projects out outta here right now. I think it'd be really cool if you wanted to do something like that. And with the lazy lines, I mean, I dunno, how's the community feel about that?That guys in the chat, let us know. I mean, I'm seeing a comment here when lion shoe, uh, you know, if that's something you guys would love to see an NBA game with lazy lion, uh, sneakers being worn, uh, you know, I know we got a ton of press about the board apes shoes last week, and it was really cool to just see an NFT, you know, on a shoe in real life.There it is on screen. Um, you know, and I love her and changed his shoes. Uh, you know, pretty much every game. So I have a feeling, you know, that he's not done and there's his lazy lion there on screen. So, uh, can we get that on a shoe? I think that'd be pretty sweet. Yeah, that's awesome. You called it Chris.Let's see it let's make it happen. The crowd would be roaring. David says great comment there, Dave. All right, guys. So back to the discord really quick. So again, you guys have over 80 K discord members, you know, I'm sure we've all been crazy. Discords where they're spamming and just out of control. What do you guys do to manage the discord?Now we've got a great team, great team, and that's, um, you know, not just, uh, uh, in just the community managers that we have in there, but even the moderators as well. And I think anyone in the community with. Um, you know, a lot of people I could shout out individually, but yeah, the mods, the community managers, um, I support team and even just like the RA, we've got like different roles.Like we have one called like a role, uh, Royal king, sorry. And these are like community members that are sorta like self appointed by the community itself. It's funny. It's like we don't even choose. It's like, it's very obvious it should be this role. And they're the ones that are sort of. The community outside of the actual moderators.And I feel like the community itself just does a great job of like, self-governing like if somebody comes in and sends somebody that something that they shouldn't it's very quickly resolved by itself, which is just a beautiful thing. Um, so it's like, even though we, you know, the more and more we scale up and grow, um, it hasn't been too much of the.Um, but yeah, that's, that's how it sort of does it, so it doesn't get, like, it gets crazy at times, for sure. Especially on like, you know, Lauren's days and like rewards, especially. And we've got that one coming up this Friday. Um, when the, uh, Downey's sent out, it gets pretty, did pretty well on that day because it's a bit of fun, but, uh, now it's all governed quite well.I think that's awesome. How active are you guys? Both in the discord. And do you have any like favorite channels in there? I'm probably a bit too active in the, um, in the disc, like considering, like I'm also, I'm like leading up like the product team and obviously like, uh, just trying to keep my eyes on everything else in the, in the project.Um, but man, it's just so addicting being in the discordant. Like what do you, I guess it's just like, it's hard not to be what up in the, in the moment. And then you're sitting there for like half an hour, just chatting back and forth with everybody in the. And the community. I think you get FOMO too. Like you want to scroll back and see what you've missed.You said this falling through your phone for a little bit to try to catch up with everybody and what they're saying, but in terms of favorite channel, I would have to say it's probably, um, it's probably, it's probably cabana bar. That's our, that's our main channel for lazy line holders. Um, so it's sort of, you know, it's only available to them.Um, but when that channel starts to pick up, it's really fast to pick up on. There's a lot of great discussions that, um, Uh, so yeah, you learn a lot and it's, it's great speaking with the community, uh, specifically lazy line holders. And then, yeah, that would be probably my favorite channel. I'd say there's lots of learning.Yeah, love that. So we've seen a lot of discord hacks over the last couple of weeks, you know, discord, Twitter, hacks, you know, different kinds of schemes going on there. Are you guys taking any precautions towards, you know, protecting the discord? Uh, let's start with you. Yeah. Sure. So recently we've done like a, an audit of our bots just to ensure that there's no, no leftover bots that are lurking, that we sort of don't need.Um, majority of our web hooks. I know they can be either a bit risky, um, in regards to, yeah. So I know that one of the disciplines I apparently got, you know, got it. They got into it because of a web hook. So we started to, you know, just review the web books, make sure they're all clean. Make sure there's nothing we don't know about.Um, we've started to leave sticky bots, uh, sticky notes in each of our. I know that sometimes you can get DMS from fake collab land. Can you try to verify your NFTs? So we have sticky notes that, um, you know, just say, make sure, like, just confirm correct collab, land, which other scams, it leads the country, uh, of that channel so nobody can see like, so no collab then can sort of see who's typing, you know, exclamation mark join to verify that.And if they, so just little things here and there to reach clean up the discord, make sure there's nothing that's sort of, you know, leftover to ensure the safety of the community. That's what we've been doing, just to make sure that nothing happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pretty much that. And um, I mean, cause our discord is like so important to us as well, right?Like it's such like it's front and center of our. Um, like the project strategy, right? It's like, that's what we're really trying to grow and build a community. Cause like we've always said that like the project is the community, the community is the project. And like we're making a, we're making our bed on the discolored platform.Um, that's not to say it's perfect. Like I feel like there's, you know, there's a few things that I, you know, I'd love to suggest as a disco, um, team members and just, you know, things that I think would benefit the. Um, overall, particularly as entity and crypto is becoming more and more of a thing that's using discord.Um, cause like we've let so many important, um, possibly it's like we've got like a professional networking section. Um, cause it's funny. It goes, it's sort of gone away from the question, but it sort of ties into like what's the value in an annotate? Um, like that's a question that I've, you know, I had asked her a few times basically for people that aren't encrypted, like why would you get an NFTA?Like what do you actually get out of it? Yeah. Uh, like one of the most obvious things is the community. And some people just look at that and go, oh, like, what is that? It's like, well, like, you know, it's just because they're cartoon characters. I think the stigma is like, people think it's it's little children or like fat kids in their mother's basements that are buying these entities.Right. And it's like, that's not the, that's definitely not the case. Right. Like, Like we're speaking with, you know, mid like C level executives with doctors, with lawyers, like whatever their industry they're in, you know, our reporters, like people at the top of their industry, right. Are like really smart, intelligent people.So it's like, um, how much does it cost to get into like a professional networking? Um, uh, you know, like, oh, like, you know, how will, what's the cost of that to be a part of that? Create those kinds of connections. Right. And that's something we've doubled down on. So we have like a whole professional networking section and in the discord, um, like we have gaming sections, um, marketplace, uh, like all of these other things.So it's really critical to us. And security is really important as well. Um, those hacks are pretty scary. So it's just things that were, yeah. Like what, what nine said, those are some of the things that we're doing to make sure that, that Allstate. Uh, secure love that. So you actually just led me on to the next question I had for you guys.I'm going to have a list of pull up this chart here. So someone posted this in the tweet and the tweet last night, and it's interesting because it breaks down all the demographics, right? So there's, you know, 4.6 owners. Yeah. So this is really interesting, right? Gender, you know, 92% male, 8% female, top three age groups, 26 to 35 leads.Uh, 36 to 45 is second. See, I wouldn't have guessed that 19 to 20 five-year-olds is third. Uh, this one to 53% are married. 44% are single 60%, no kids, 33%, one to two kids. Can you guys tell us a little bit more about all these stats, man? This is really cool. Yeah, it's really interesting. I think some of those numbers would love for them to be a little bit different, um, particularly cause we have.And I think if you compare it to the average would probably be a bit better. It's basically in terms of, you know, having more or, um, more females in the, in the project being inclusive as obviously one of our core values rather than being exclusive. Um, but this was just part of a survey that we, we did a while back, um, Uh, yeah.And it's interesting, like target market is, you know, 25 to 45 year old males, obviously high disposable income as well. Um, but, uh, yeah, it's definitely interesting. We thought other brands would be, you know, would love to see that kind of information, particularly now as we've got the collectibles, um, you know, probably sneak thinking a bit too much of that.Um, but just to look at about that, but that's something that we've got coming out. Um, Quite soon. Uh, and that, I think it's an opportunity for, you know, we've had so many requests to do like collabs, um, you know, so many projects that have hit us up and we're like, Hey, can we do something? And we just haven't done anything with them strictly because we just haven't wanted to pay like any influences.That's not been our strategy on the really cringe. Um, it just goes against that values. So this is an opportunity for us to actually partner up with brands in a meaningful way. So that's why we shared that. That data. Um, and I think it's quite valuable daughter to, to anyone in any entities, but yeah, that's, that was the reasoning behind it.Awesome. So one of the things we've talked a lot about on the roadmap, obviously NFTs have seen huge interest this year. And we also have news that Coinbase a leading crypto platform is launching their own NFT marketplace. So they actually pulled their audience asking for favorite NFT communities. And of course the lions community.Came through and roared and Coinbase actually retweeted. And they said roar louder for the people in the back. Please. Uh, tell us what this means. Uh, you know, have you been in talks with Coinbase at all or is this just validation that Coinbase sees the large community here? Um, that's one of those things where I probably shouldn't say too much, maybe just because I can't say too much, but I think, yeah, that might be enough there just to say that you can't comment.So maybe we got it. We got it out of Yeti. But I think it's really cool. All right. I think it's really cool and it's really exciting time. So we'll see what, um, you know, we'll see what happens with the platform. And then we will got a lot of hopes. Um, but at the same time, you know, like we've got to be a little bit skeptical.Like there's a bit of pressure on them to make sure everything comes out. Well, it's not a guarantee or anything. Like we saw what happened with like Google plus, right. Um, just because you're the biggest doesn't mean it's going to be a guarantee, but, um, I think the fact that they moving into entity.Entities and they're focusing on it as is extremely bullish. Right. Um, so I've got, I've got high hopes and they got my support. Love at Google plus. Wow. Take taken me back there. I definitely, I definitely had a Google plus account where I would share links to articles that I wrote to try to get increased page views, but yeah, goo Google plus a diet and unfortunate death there.But yeah, that's a phrase I haven't heard in a while. Um, I think we have AR in the chat and I believe there was a mention of a tattoo. We do have a picture and a video of this tattoo. Uh, again, we, we talked to a lot of NFTE teams, right? And w we occasionally see strong engagement and we do not see too many tattoos.So tell us a little bit about, you know, uh, why this tattoo came to be, um, looks like AR you know, called out for the floor price and then got the tattoo. Is this something you guys do about at a time and how did the community. Man. I think everybody loves it. Like look at how clean that thing. Like man, whoever the tattoo was like.Yeah. He's, that's a really good word. But um, no, that was all right. That was something he called out back when we first, when we first launched it, I remember seeing that and it was like, um, did he say it's like, when were you reached to a, I'm going to get my live. And I remember looking at that and like, obviously, like I'm extremely bullish on what Wade I've got completely.Like from the early days, I was like, sure, like, you know, we can do, we can achieve whatever we set our minds to. Right. And I still believe that. Um, so I was like this, guy's going to have to get a tattoo of his life. That is a sweet looking tattoo. Uh, I mean, loved watching that video. So clean, so shout out to the artists too.Um, but yeah, I mean, seeing someone get a tattoo, I mean, that's great validation for, for the longevity of this project and the community. So, uh, an AR in the chat, I mean, a nice looking tattoo and thanks for joining us for the stream today. Uh, along with the tattoo talk and validation, another area where we've seen NFT projects, you know, connect with their community.As we just had Halloween and I saw some lazy lions, Halloween costumes. Um, you know, is that something that you guys, uh, you know, called for, did a contest at all? Or is this just people happen in because they wanted to dress as their lion. Yeah, this was just, this was purely community-based. Um, when I actually saw that image and retweeted it on the main Twitter account, that was absolutely awesome that people were getting so involved.I really liked it. I'd love that lazy hat as well. It looks so clean. I want it personally, but it was, yeah, that was just completely community driven in hold a competition. They just went out of their way and yeah, it was just beautiful to see. That's awesome. Uh, yeah, I mean, what a cool Halloween costume.That is a sweet looking hat too. Um, but keep that in mind, any lions in the chat, if you're looking for a Halloween costume next year, I know it's a year away, but start planning to work on your lion costume now. Um, so you can be ready. Uh, you mentioned a little bit about collectibles, right? So we got a little bit of a teaser.One of the things we are called the roadmap after all is we always try to hear about, you know, what's next. So I know you guys can't share too much, but can we get a little bit more information on collectibles and maybe what's ahead for lion holders. Nine, if you don't have a problem. I mean, why not? Like I've got a lot of respect for these show, so, yeah.All right. So essentially this ties in without values and mission as well. Right. Which is obviously like our value is one of our values is, you know, rather than being an exclusive community, which you don't know a lot of other. Uh, you know, focusing on being, which is fine and like that works really well.And I've got a lot of respect for a lot. A lot of other projects, I would never bash another one, but, um, like ours is to be inclusive rather than exclusive. So, um, we're trying to build obviously the biggest and it's the community, that's our mission. And part of that is bringing new people that aren't necessarily in entities right now.And I feel like we sort of shoulder that responsibility as well. Um, you know, just from what other people have told me, it seems like we kind of, one of the leading projects now, at least like in the top, you know, I think like on open slate, like top 40 or all time trader those types of things. So I feel like we have a responsibility to actually, um, you know, to try and lead the space and, and bring in new people into the community rather than just, you know, those existing members who already have entities.And I think the challenge is. Because it's still so early, like the interfaces and everything, it's not super easy to get into it. Like I just, the act of having to create a wallet and minting and gas, it's sort of like, you know, I said, it's like, if you're telling a friend or family member of someone that you know, coworker about entities and they're not in it already, it's like, Hey, we've got a lazy lion.This community is amazing. Oh, cool. How much is it? And he's like one eighth and I look up one eight. They're like what? That's not how I'm going to get started. Right. So it's like, okay, how can we say. I have those, um, people still become a part of the community without having to fork out that much straightaway.And that's where this sort of referral program collectibles thing came to mind. So essentially what it is is every community member or every new person that you invite to the community, all they have to do is join discord and they will get a pack of tokens for free that they can claim on our website.Um, and this pack will be a random, you know, it'll be a set of cards. Um, you know, like we had to have a lane, next one will be, um, uh, like, uh, Thanksgiving. Right. Which is what we've got planned. So that's probably a sneak peek there more than I should. Um, so there'll be, you know, a set of eight, eight, uh, Thanksgiving cards.Um, and every pack that you open, you'll get two random ones. And the idea is complete the set and you enter to win a lazy lines. Um, so this way, anyone who's not in the community already can just join up, join the discord, get a pack. And if they want to get more packs, they just invite more people. And we cover the gas company.These tokens appear on open. See they can list them free without having to pay any gas that's all covered. So someone could come in, not pay a single cent, get one of the rare tokens, list them and then, you know, make a profit or try and complete the set and win a prize. Um, and I think it just ties in, like we said, without values gives them an opportunity to experience what minting is.Um, and then, you know, bringing in the ecosystem and understand the true benefits of web three. So. A bit of a lengthy explanation, but yeah, that's, that's what the collectibles ideas. We appreciate the background there. Yeah. When's the launch. Yep. So right now that is in, um, we've got like a soft bed or internally.Um, that's scheduled for launch, uh, next week, next week. So we've got rewards this week. Oh, wow. Is that a big thing? And then we've got this coming out next week. That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, pretty excited. You'll definitely see. Um, I think this will, yeah, we'll see how it goes, but I can see it having a pretty positive effect.I think so. Yeah. I, we we've seen some of these card ones do well too, and that's a great way. Like you said, to bring new people into the community and also the referral program, uh, you know, I'm a big fan of that. So. You know, uh, we wish you luck with that. And thanks for breaking that news here on the roadmap, it's always exciting to, you know, hear what's next from these projects.And, you know, I think that, uh, community out there is loving. Absolutely. I mean, that's amazing bringing new people in is the biggest part of the game. That's that's really awesome. Uh, let's take it to, we have some questions from the chat here. Um, the first question that I saw earlier in the interview today, we had a question from Brendan bald.Uh, he's asking, do you guys have any plans or hopes to develop the IP into film or TV or even comic books?So the cool thing is I've already seen a few projects do it. Um, and I think they're just, you know, they hold the, uh, lazy lines and, uh, feed themselves once you hold it, you're able to go and create these things yourself. Um, I suppose things like we're open to it, but there's no immediate plans for it, but I've seen a few cool things going around on Twitter.Yeah. I love that. Um, let's see. Do we have any more questions from the chat here, Chris, that we want to think we got most of the questions answered. Well, you know, uh, people loved hearing the Coinbase conversation again, and people loving this roadmap talk. Um, we're seeing merge now asked from Morgan. Um, you guys, I think you, do you have some merch already or pens for Merck in the works?Uh, we've got much in the works. So, um, you know, I've seen, what's been being worked on, um, I think the community's going to love what we, what we release with this. Um, so yeah, not, not quite yet, but that's in the works. It's coming out soon. And then mass. How about that? A question there from a breezy in the chat, uh, that, that could be a fun one.Oh, yeah. So when Arizona ice tea collab, can you guys tell us more about that? Is that a rumor or, you know, is this question coming out of nowhere? Um, yeah, I mean, there's nothing like official going on. Um, what's nice. Is it sort of ties back into the collective. Um, to cause now, like again, if there are any brands listening as well, I feel like there's definitely an opportunity for the brands who are wanting to get into entities, particularly with like more established projects.Um, at least for us, this is an opportunity for us to actually partner up with brands in a way that's actually beneficial for everyone involved. So, um, you know, if we were doing those, you know, biweekly, um, releases of collectible cards and one of them. The Arizona theme, just for the sake of argument. Um, but yeah, not nothing official, but we're definitely open.Perfect. Yeah, I did see Arizona as one of the owners mentioned in the, uh, celebrity spotlight, um, on that cool graphic and the facts that we shared. So I think that's where maybe that rumor comes from. Um, but we'll wait. We'll wait to hear more details from you guys in the future. Well, I think that's going to do it for today's interview, you know, nine Asher big.Thank you for both of you coming on our show. I know it's early morning where you guys are at, um, your flexibility with doing that. Also shout out to the latest science community. I mean, mass, look at them. They're in full force here in the chat during this whole interview. So a shout out to lazy.Absolutely. I mean, this has honestly been one of the biggest communities I've seen and I'm personally measured by the Twitter. You know, I see on my Twitter, the profile picture, I mean, I see a lion, I would say one out of every 10. If that, I mean, you guys are killing it. I can't wait to have you guys come on again and just, you know, do some updates in the.Yeah, man, this is a lot of fun. Um, I have like, everyone's been waiting for it for a while. So this is tape spot. It went by a lot quicker than I thought it would. you know, but, uh, yeah, not, King's definitely out there doing this. Yeah, well, we will, we will have to have you guys back on. Um, so thanks again, nine and Asher, uh, before I let everyone go here, uh, mass, we do not have a show tomorrow.Um, I know I said we're going Tuesday, Wednesdays and Thursdays, 2:00 PM. Eastern time. Benzinga is hosting. PAC awards. And actually there's going to be some awards given in crypto and NFT categories. So if you're interested in the space, we have FinTech awards, airing live on YouTube, beginning at 9:00 AM, Eastern time and going all day.And also if you're into crypto, we do have our Monday night show. After this show is done with, through there, he will be talking some metaverse crypto plays. Um, so I know I'll be sticking around to hear more from Ruelle on. But yeah. Thanks for everyone for tuning in and yeah. Thank you. I mean, let's chat, they're so appreciative to mass here.I am trying to tell them. Thank you. And they're all thinking. Yeah. Thank you guys. If you guys liked this content, you know, we're, Benzinga, there's, we're starting to test this out. We want to bring more NFT content, make sure to like subscribe, share this content. We're going to continue to bring more of it as the NFC community expands as well.So thank you guys for watching. We appreciate it. Definitely. So stay tuned, everyone for a root welds report talking crypto plays, and we will see everyone on the roadmap on Wednesday, 2:00 PM, Eastern time. Take care, everyone. And thanks again. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-roadmap/donations

Episode #8 of "Can I get that software in blue?", a podcast by and for people engaged in technology sales. If you are in the technology presales, solution architecture, sales, support or professional services career paths then this show is for you! Your hosts Steve Mayzak and Chad Tindel are joined by Timo Jokiaho, Chief Technologist - Global Telco at Red Hat where he focuses on network functions virtualization (NFV) and containers going towards 5G. This is a pure tech episode focusing on 5G telco innovations and how the telco stack is changing to be more software and cloud based running on Kubernetes. Contact us on Twitter or LinkedIn to suggest companies or tech news articles worthy of the podcast! Our website: https://softwareinblue.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/softwareinblue LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/softwareinblue Make sure to subscribe or follow us to get notified about our upcoming episodes: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8qfPUKO_rPmtvuB4nV87rg Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/can-i-get-that-software-in-blue/id1561899125 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/25r9ckggqIv6rGU8ca0WP2 Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/can-i-get-that-software-in-blue Timo's blog about Open Radio Access Networks: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/open-ran-and-o-ran-brief Verizon and Azure Edge Computing: https://www.verizon.com/about/news/verizon-debuts-cloud-computing-microsoft-azure 90 Day Finn: https://www.helsinkibusinesshub.fi/90-day-finn/

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Bundesliga-Schiedsrichter Patrick Ittrich hat er geschafft. Aufgewachsen in nicht-privilegierten Verhältnissen leitet er heute Spiele in der höchsten deutschen Profi-Liga, einer der stärksten Spielklassen der Welt. Wie passiert die Entscheidungsfindung? Wie geht es mit Fehlern um? Wie sieht das Leben abseits vom Sportplatz aus? Der DFB-Top-Schiedsrichter Patrick Ittrich gibt im Interview mit Niels Brabandt Einblicke in seine Arbeit und sein Leben. Im Interview: Patrick Ittrich Ihr Gastgeber: Niels Brabandt / NB@NB-Networks.com

I began this lesson with a review of the purposes of the Bible podcast study series entitled, "The Gospel According to Moses."  There are two such series.  The one in Genesis and this one, on the book of Exodus.  I promised you a link to read the four purposes of this study.  Here's the link - click here for the four purposes of this series We will deal with three verses in the Torah that are very perplexing and problematic, Exod. 4:24-26.  Real Hebrew scholars agree that in the Hebrew and not in the English these verses are puzzling.  There are many who offer their views and ideas on what these verses mean but, it is absolutely clear, they are ignoring the original text of the Bible and the Hebrew.  We will not. This lesson is a prime example of how translators put in words in the Bible that are not in the original so that their view, their opinion is validated.  This happens in Exod. 4:24-26.  Just consider the verses ... Now it came about at the lodging place on the way that the LORD met him and sought to put him to death. Then Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son's foreskin and threw it at Moses' feet, and she said, "You are indeed a bridegroom of blood to me." So He let him alone. At that time she said, "You are a bridegroom of blood"--because of the circumcision.  (Exo 4:24-26) This is the translation from the NASB and it is also in other versions like the ESV, the Message, NET, Scriptures 1998, and , of course, the NIV.  The problem is that Moses' name NEVER OCCURS in the original Hebrew text nor is the Hebrew חתן דמים Chatan Dahmeem translated as the "bridegroom of blood" accurate.  These are examples of men, translators, with a preconceived view of the meaning of the verses.  Not only do they show their lack of Hebrew knowledge but they actually insert a word into the Bible text so the Bible text says what they want it to mean!  It is as if I was writing the New Ferret Version, NFV, and did the following in a verse you know well.  I added the word highlighted in black ... Now in those cold days of December days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus, that a census be taken of all the inhabited earth. This was the first census taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. And everyone was on his way to register for the census, each to his own city. Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David, in order to register along with Mary, who was engaged to him, and was with child. While they were there, the days were completed for her to give birth. And she gave birth on Christmas December 25th the year 0 to her firstborn son; and she wrapped Him in cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn. (Luk 2:1-7) I can't do this!  I can not add to God's word.  Doing this is a simple stupid example of me trying to provide Biblical backup for my preconceived views about the birth of Jesus.  (FYI - I don't hold to the belief that Jesus was born in December) This is almost, to me, a major sin.  By adding to God's word to prove my view - as the translators did by adding Moses' name in Exod. 4:24-26 - we distort God's word and perhaps even change the intended meaning that the Lord wanted us to understand.  But, that is exactly what happened in these verses. Dr. John Currid, and amazing devout Christian Bible scholar, theologian, and archaeologist, has written a commentary on the Torah.  He proposes a solution to the questions that arise in these verses that really deals with the exact Hebrew and he does not offer hypotheticals.  Other scholars like Nahum Sarna in the JPS Torah Commentary offer their ideas and solutions but none compare to Currid's.  Of course the orthodox rabbis have their ideas.  They claim Moses was to be killed by God since when Moses arrived at the inn and (are you ready for this??) Moses was too concerned with making arrangements for their stay and delayed the circumcision.  This comes directly from the orthodox Torah commentary called the "Chumash" from Artscroll.  Huh? The Bible does not say that!  The Bible in Hebrew does not use Moses' name nor does it say Moses had to make hotel arrangements.  The orthodox rabbis are making up stuff to try and solve the dilemma posed by these verses.  This is an example of MIDRASH, Jewish rabbinic study, that is not sound midrash.  The orthodox rabbis offer a hypothetical as truth.  How come they can not suggest solutions from what the Bible actually says rather than suggesting solutions that are not credible?  And yet many gentile Messianic Christians buy into this since it's from the rabbis.  Well, they say.  It it's from the rabbis it has to be true, right?  Wrong.  One needs to also be very careful with Jewish rabbitical midrash and sort out the true and credible from the hypotheticals and contrived translations.  We have to do the same thing with supposed Christian Bible scholars as well since most completely avoid the study of the Bible in its historical context.  They also have no training in the Greek or the Hebrew.  They have very little in fact of the critical tools to help us grasp the meaning of God's word.   In these three verses one question is who is God trying to kill?  Is God trying to kill Moses?  Gershom, his first born son?  One can not determine the answer in the Hebrew and the original Masoretic text of the Torah.  On top of that why did the translators translate the Hebrew חתן דמים Chatan Dahmeem as "the bridegroom of blood?" In these verses Moses' name it not brought up.  Even if was Moses he is not a bridegroom - he's been married for a number of years and has two sons!  He is not a bridegroom.  So, what alternative meanings are there for the Hebrew חתן דמים Chatan Dahmeem?  Dr. Currid offers a possible real solution that takes us to the Cross.  I was truly amazed and it only makes sense in that God, Yeshua the Messiah, our Lord, stated that all scripture testifies of Him.  The primary books of the Bible then were the five books of Torah.  These verses seem to relate to the first born, blood, covenant, and being saved from God's wrath.  It's as if these are pictures that are like mirrors of future events.  Curious?  Wondering how the circumcision of Moses' son is connected to the crucifixion of the Lamb of God?  Come join us in the important podcast on three perplexing verses. Rev. Ferret - who is this guy?  What's his background?  Why should I listen to him?  Check his background at this link - click here for the teacher's background  

Zu Gast: Mike Gabel, TrainerDie Säulen der Vereine: Rechtliche und Sportliche Bedenken zu den Aufstiegsentscheidungen Es gibt Regeln: Kommt Demut vor dem (Gerichts-) Fall?Communication breakdown: wie die Nicht-Kommunikation des NFV zum überregionalen Austausch der Vereine führte.Traumlos: Schiessen, grüner Tisch oder Auslosung, Hauptsache LateNight überträgt.Auf den Amateur-Fußball, auf die Bremen Liga. Kick auf.

BATM (LSE: BVC; TASE: BVC), a leading provider of real-time technologies for networking solutions and medical laboratory systems. Strategic partnership for Network Function Virtualisation BATM's Telco Systems subsidiary partners with albis-elcon for joint offer for tier 1 customers. Announced that its Telco Systems subsidiary has formed a strategic partnership with albis-elcon, a supplier of networking products and systems to communications service providers in the telecommunications industry, to jointly offer the Group's network function virtualisation ("NFV") solution, which represents a further route to market.https://www.share-talk.com/dr-zvi-marom-founder-ceo-batm-advanced-comm-bvc-l-interview/

As I started Software Gone Wild podcast in June 2014, I wanted to help networking engineers grow beyond the traditional networking technologies. It’s only fitting to conclude this project almost seven years and 116 episodes later with a similar theme Avi Freedman proposed when we started discussing podcast topics in late 2020: how do we make networking attractive to young engineers. Elisa Jasinska and Roopa Prabhu joined Avi and me, and we had a lively discussion that I hope you’ll find interesting. Listen to the podcast

OpenStack was going to create an open source alternative to AWS, as well as displace VMware in the Enterprise. But change is never easy, and some things didn't go as planned. Looking back, what can we learn from the lessons of OpenStack? SHOW: 489SHOW SPONSOR LINKS:BMC Wants to Know if your business is on its A-GameBMC Autonomous Digital EnterpriseCLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwCHECK OUT OUR NEW PODCAST - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW NOTES:Eucalyptus Cloud (2006)CloudStack (2008)History of OpenStackOpenStack ProjectsOpenStack accepting VMware was a Mistake (Mirantis, 2012)The trouble with OpenStack (Simon Wardley, 2013)OpenStack’s future depends on embracing AWS, Now (Cloudscaling, 2013)OpenStack adopts the “Big Tent” model (2015)OpenStack Summit 2016 (Austin) - The focus moves to TelcoHOW DID OPENSTACK EVOLVE?An open source, programmable cloud infrastructure. Eucalyptus and CloudStack existed prior to OpenStack. Created as a partnership between NASA (Nova) and Rackspace (Swift). API-driven, software-defined infrastructureEvery vendor (HW and SW) was on-board: the anti-VMware projectOpenStack Foundation was created - control was maintained by Rackspace (initially). Focus was split on building an AWS-alternative &/or a VMware-alternativeWas it an integrated platform, or independent projects, or a combination? What defined something as “OpenStack”? How do you upgrade OpenStack? The scope eventually got too big - way behind an IaaS (PaaS, DBaaS, Hadoop, etc.)Cloud Foundry, OpenShift launched in 2011Threats from Hadoop companiesVMware admins didn’t know how to use python. AWS admins wanted AWS APIsWhere were the customers? LESSONS LEARNED FOR THE FUTUREIndependent governance body; leverage the Linux foundation (events, infrastructure, etc,)Focus on enabling something new (cloud-native apps, more flexible than PaaS), not replacing something existingEnable early customers, and remain customer focused. FEEDBACK?Email: show at thecloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet

www.patreon.com/skodanabraedur - styddu frjálsa fjölmiðlun! Afhverju verða allir lögfræðinemar hægrinazis? er rannsóknarspurning þáttarins. Í leit að svörum er farið yfir hin ýmsu málefni; lögfræðinámið sem innræting ákveðinna hugsjóna og hugmynda, Verzló, NFVÍ, marmarinn, 12:00, nemendafélög og menntaskólar, loftslagsmálin, sósíalisminn, kapítalisminn, íþróttakennsla, Breiðholtið og fleira!

This podcast introduction was written by Nick Buraglio, the host of today’s podcast. In today’s evolving landscape of whitebox, brightbox, and software routing, a small but incredibly comprehensive routing platform called FreeRTR has quietly been evolving out of a research and education service provider network in Hungary.  Kevin Myers of IPArchitechs brought this to my attention around March of 2019, at which point I went straight to work with it to see how far it could be pushed.Read more …

Network Functions Virtualization (NFV) transforms routers, load balancers, firewalls and other network devices into virtual instances that can be service-chained, spun up and down as needed, and are cloud-friendly. But if you're a hardware hugger or have been been burned by virtualization in the past, should you avoid NFV? Today's Heavy Networking guests want to change your mind. The Packet Pushers speak with Michael Pfeiffer, a Cloud Networking Architect for a VAR; and Brad Gregory, Senior Product Manager at Equinix.

Network Functions Virtualization (NFV) transforms routers, load balancers, firewalls and other network devices into virtual instances that can be service-chained, spun up and down as needed, and are cloud-friendly. But if you're a hardware hugger or have been been burned by virtualization in the past, should you avoid NFV? Today's Heavy Networking guests want to change your mind. The Packet Pushers speak with Michael Pfeiffer, a Cloud Networking Architect for a VAR; and Brad Gregory, Senior Product Manager at Equinix.

Network Functions Virtualization (NFV) transforms routers, load balancers, firewalls and other network devices into virtual instances that can be service-chained, spun up and down as needed, and are cloud-friendly. But if you're a hardware hugger or have been been burned by virtualization in the past, should you avoid NFV? Today's Heavy Networking guests want to change your mind. The Packet Pushers speak with Michael Pfeiffer, a Cloud Networking Architect for a VAR; and Brad Gregory, Senior Product Manager at Equinix.

Network Functions Virtualization (NFV) transforms routers, load balancers, firewalls and other network devices into virtual instances that can be service-chained, spun up and down as needed, and are cloud-friendly. But if you're a hardware hugger or have been been burned by virtualization in the past, should you avoid NFV? Today's Heavy Networking guests want to change your mind. The Packet Pushers speak with Michael Pfeiffer, a Cloud Networking Architect for a VAR; and Brad Gregory, Senior Product Manager at Equinix. The post Heavy Networking 558: No Time For Hardware – The Case For NFV appeared first on Packet Pushers.

Network Functions Virtualization (NFV) transforms routers, load balancers, firewalls and other network devices into virtual instances that can be service-chained, spun up and down as needed, and are cloud-friendly. But if you're a hardware hugger or have been been burned by virtualization in the past, should you avoid NFV? Today's Heavy Networking guests want to change your mind. The Packet Pushers speak with Michael Pfeiffer, a Cloud Networking Architect for a VAR; and Brad Gregory, Senior Product Manager at Equinix. The post Heavy Networking 558: No Time For Hardware – The Case For NFV appeared first on Packet Pushers.

Network Functions Virtualization (NFV) transforms routers, load balancers, firewalls and other network devices into virtual instances that can be service-chained, spun up and down as needed, and are cloud-friendly. But if you're a hardware hugger or have been been burned by virtualization in the past, should you avoid NFV? Today's Heavy Networking guests want to change your mind. The Packet Pushers speak with Michael Pfeiffer, a Cloud Networking Architect for a VAR; and Brad Gregory, Senior Product Manager at Equinix. The post Heavy Networking 558: No Time For Hardware – The Case For NFV appeared first on Packet Pushers.

Experienced new technology innovator, product manager and product marketeer. Proficient at identifying market trends and customer needs, segmenting customers, developing new business ideas to address their needs, incubating, and marketing them. Proven ability to step into any situation and any technology, distinguish signal from noise, and create a vision with clear actionable steps to success and lead teams to execute to completion. Public speaker with effective influencing skills that improves the team morale and invokes a strong following of people who go out of their way to help the business and team succeed. Diverse experience spans start-ups to large companies, enterprises to service providers, products to managed services, hardware to software, R&D to manufacturing, strategy to operations and hyper growth to mature markets. This diversity enables a rare blend of strategic thinking, technical expertise, and operational experience to straddle both big picture and execution simultaneously. Infectious get it done attitude that leaves no stone unturned, finds creative means to accomplish the goal despite obstacles. Disruptive thinker who asks the right questions to diagnose issues and implement solutions that drastically improve productivity and enable new business opportunities. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specialities: Demonstrated expertise in managed services, cloud, virtualization, SDN, NFV, and Security. Professional and Technical services Data Center, cloud infrastructure services Network management, SaaS, Cloud Experienced in Product Marketing, Product Management, Sales Enablement, Sales Operations, Launch management, Pre-sales business development, Go To Market strategies, and International Business for Service Provider, Enterprise and Commercial segments.

Coronaausbrüche in fünf Senioreneinrichtungen 460 Verstöße gegen Corona-Regeln geahndet Alte Molkerei wird umgebaut NFV wartet auf Entscheidung des Landes TSV Wietzen beschenkt kleine Mitglieder

Remember my rant how “fail fast, fail often sounds great in a VC pitch deck, and sucks when you have to deal with its results”? Streaming telemetry is no exception to this rule, and Avi Freedman (CEO of Kentik) has been on the receiving end of this gizmo long enough to have to deal with several generations of experiments… and formed a few strong opinions. Unfortunately Avi is still a bit more diplomatic than Artur Bergman – another CEO I love for his blunt statements – but based on his NFD16 presentation I expected a lively debate, and I was definitely not disappointed. Enjoy the podcast

This podcast introduction was written by Nick Buraglio, the host of today’s podcast. In the original days of this podcast, there were heavy, deep discussions about this new protocol called “OpenFlow”. Like many of our most creative innovations in the IT field, OpenFlow came from an academic research project that aimed to change the way that we as operators managed, configured, and even thought about networking fundamentals. For the most part, this project did what it intended, but once the marketing machine realized the flexibility of the technology and its potential to completely change the way we think about vendors, networks, provisioning, and management of networking, they were off to the races. We all know what happened next.Read more …

I recently caught up with Rupesh Chokshi, Assistant Vice President, Edge Solutions Product Marketing Management at AT&T Business, to discuss the latest news, trends and offerings from AT&T Business around Edge, Software Defined Infrastructure ( SDI ), Software Defined Networking ( SDN ), network function virtualisation (NFV) and SD-WAN technologies and much more. Rupesh leads the Enterprise Edge product marketing team for AT&T Business which focuses on product management, strategy and business development. He manages a significant global portfolio of market-leading, innovative technology solutions. We look at how the AT&T Business "Enterprise Edge" team are transforming services and networks using software-defined networking (SDN), network function virtualisation (NFV) and SD-WAN technologies. Rupesh shares with us insights around work AT&T has done as they have invested in the development of world leading software-based solutions at the edge to create value for customers that are agile and scalable. These solutions encompass SDN, NFV, SD-WAN, 5G, voice over internet protocol (VoIP) and IoT. Rupesh then continues with key insights around how Software Defined Infrastructure ( SDI ) & Software Defined Networks ( SDN ) have changed the landscape of Wide Area Networks. We also cover the AT&T Business portfolio of WAN & Edge services & solutions, and in particular, where SD-WAN sits within the portfolio of services AT&T Business currently offers: Next we delve into how these elements become the connective fabric enabling companies to move their workloads virtually seamlessly, reduce complexity, foster innovation and deliver on the promise of digital transformation. This is exactly what our customers are asking for and why networks matter in today’s edge to edge world. Also discussed is the key topic of virtualisation and flexible networking in the world of today’s Telco’s & CSP’s, and what the key benefits SD-WAN offers are, and how it transforming how businesses leverage flexible virtual networking. Specifically the primary value proposition of SD-WAN solutions which is to enable enterprises to intelligently and connect with high security any site to any cloud at scale - Rupesh outlines how the first generation, deployments were focused on delivery of agile WAN connectivity, increasing reach while decreasing operational complexity. Now, customers are expecting more – they want to use SD-WAN to deliver a range of IT services with high end-to-end security. We then look at the challenges CXO’s face looking to use SD-WAN across their business, and how they should businesses be incorporating SD-WAN into their networking & technology strategies. We wrap up with Rupesh sharing his thoughts around what's over the horizon for the next 12 to 18 months in what is one of the most challenging periods of human history for the last 100 years. Tune in now for all of these amazing topics and more. This podcast was made in partnership with AT&T Business. For more information please visit: http://bit.ly/attedgesolutions #sponsored #attinfluencer .

Building on the in-person summit format, this virtual summit series brings you the latest on technologies driving the evolution of network and edge infrastructure. With a new vSummit session released every two weeks, each session includes dynamic keynotes, interviews, and panel discussions from thought leaders on the technologies, topics, and issues facing the networking industry […] The post Intel Network Builders present: Network & Edge vSummit Series first appeared on Connected Social Media.

Join Tom Nadeau, Kyle Mestery, Brent Salisbury and Dave Tucker on the inaugural episode of "The Net". A new podcast covering networking and open source software. This is part 1 of a 2 part retrospective of SDN, NFV and virtualization.

Dr. Levi Perigo is our special guest this week to discuss SDN and NFV with Joe, plus Alex does the weekly roundup of security updates, including Ghostscript, Squid, Apport, Whoopsie, libvirt and more.

Guest speaker Tom Yin from Equinix Tom Yin leads the SDN and NFV segment at EquinixEquinix is a global data center and technology provider. About 90% of all Internet Traffic passes through one of Equinix DCTopic: VMware SD-WAN on Equinix Network EdgeEnterprises are heavily investing in SD-WAN driven by the need to build a digital edge closest to customers, employees, partners, and ecosystems. How VMware and Equinix provide the flexibility and choice to economically architect hybrid multicloud solution VMware SD-WAN on Equinix Network Edge our newest “as a service” offeringTakeaways will include: Key partnership between VMware SD-WAN and Equinix Understanding SDN (Software Defined Network)Network Edge: Virtual service getting instantiated within minutes from Equinix Marketplace ready to be connected with the list of providers on ECX (Equinix Cloud Exchange)It is all about interconnection. Typical Use Case for a Mid Mile ProviderFor more information check out the Network Edge Marketplace https://www.equinix.com/services/edge-services/network-edge/ Support the show (https://www.velocloud.com/sd-wan-resources/podcasts/sd-wan-360)

Join Tom Nadeau, Kyle Mestery, Brent Salisbury and Dave Tucker on the inaugural episode of "The Net". A new podcast covering networking and open source software. This is part 1 of a 2 part retrospective of SDN, NFV and virtualization.

Today on The Podlets Podcast, we are joined by VMware's Vice President of Research and Development, Craig McLuckie! Craig is also a founder of Heptio, who were acquired by VMware and during his time at Google he was part of bringing Kubernetes into being. Craig has loads of expertise and shareable experience in the cloud native space and we have a fascinating chat with him, asking about his work, Heptio and of course, Kubernetes! Craig shares some insider perspective on the space, the rise of Kubernetes and how the increase in Kubernetes' popularity can be managed. We talk a lot about who can use Kubernetes and the prerequisites for implementation; Craig insists it is not a one-size-fits-all scenario. We also get into the lack of significantly qualified minds and how this is impacting competition in the hiring pool. Craig comments on taking part in the open source community and the buy-in that is required to meaningfully contribute as well as sharing his thoughts on the need to ship new products and services regularly. We finish off the episode with some of Craig's perspectives on the future of Kubernetes, dangers it poses to code if neglected and the next phase of its lifespan. For this amazing chat with a true expert in his field, make sure to join us on for this episode! Follow us: https://twitter.com/thepodlets Website: https://thepodlets.io Feeback: info@thepodlets.io https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/thepodlets/issues Special guest: Craig McLuckie Hosts: Carlisia Campos Duffie Cooley Josh Rosso Key Points From This Episode: • A brief introduction to Craig's history and his work in the cloud native space. • The questions that Craig believes more people should be asking about Kubernetes. • Weighing the explosion of the Kubernetes space; fragmentation versus progress. • The three pieces of enterprise software and aiming to enlarge the 'crystalline core'.• Craig's thoughts on specialized Kubernetes operating systems and their tradeoffs. • Quantifying the readiness of an organization to implement Kubernetes. • Craig's reflections on Heptio and the lessons he feels he learned in the process.• The skills shortage for Kubernetes and how companies are approaching this issue. • Balancing the needs and level of the community and shipping products regularly.• Involvement in the open source community and the leap of faith that is inherent in the process. • The question of microliths; making monoliths more complex and harder to manage. • Masking problems with Kubernetes and how detrimental this can be to your code. • Craig's thoughts on the future of the Kubernetes space and possible changes.• The two duty cycles of any technology; the readiness phase that follows the hype. Quotes: “I think Kubernetes has opened it up, not just in terms of the world of applications that can run Kubernetes, but also this burgeoning ecosystem of supporting technologies that can create value.” — @cmcluck [0:06:20] “You're not a cool mainstream enterprise software provider if you don’t have a Kubernetes story today. I think we’ll start to see continued focus and consolidation around a set of the larger organizations that are operating in this space.” — @cmcluck [0:06:39] “We are so much better served as a software company if we can preserve consistency from environment to environment.” — @cmcluck [0:09:12] “I’m a fan of rendered down, container-optimized operating system distributions. There’s a lot of utility there, but I think we also need to be practical and recognize that enterprises have gotten comfortable with the OS landscape that they have.” — @cmcluck [0:14:54] Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Craig McLuckie on LinkedIn Craig McLuckie on Twitter The Podlets on Twitter Kubernetes VMware Brendan Burns Cloud Native Computing Foundation Heptio Mesos Valero vSphere Red Hat IBM Microsoft Amazon KubeCon Transcript: EPISODE 13 [INTRODUCTION] [0:00:08.7] ANNOUNCER: Welcome to The Podlets Podcast, a weekly show that explores Cloud Native one buzzword at a time. Each week, experts in the field will discuss and contrast distributed systems concepts, practices, tradeoffs and lessons learned to help you on your cloud native journey. This space moves fast and we shouldn’t reinvent the wheel. If you’re an engineer, operator or technically-minded decision maker, this podcast is for you. [INTERVIEW] [00:00:41] CC: Hi, everybody. Welcome back to The Podlets podcast, and today we have a special guest, Craig McLuckie. Craig, I have the hardest time pronouncing your last name. You will correct me, but let me just quickly say, well, I’m Carlisia Campos and today we also have Duffy Colley and Josh Rosso on the show. Say that three times fast, Craig McLuckie. Please help us say your last name and give us a brief introduction. You are super well-known in the Kubernetes community and inside VMware, but I’m sure there are not enough people that should know about you that didn’t know about you. [00:01:20] CM: All right. I’ll do a very quick intro. Hi, I’m Craig McLuckie. I’m a Vice President of Research and Development here at VMware. Prior of VMware, I spent a fair amount of time at Google where my friend Joe and I were responsible for building and shipping Google Compute Engine, which was an interesting exercise in bringing traditional enterprise virtualized workloads into the very sophisticated Google data center. We then went ahead and as our next project with Brendan Burns, started Kubernetes, and that obviously worked out okay, and I was also responsible for the ideation and formation of the Cloud Native Computing Foundation. I then wanted to work with Joe again. So we started Heptio, a little startup in the Kubernetes ecosystem. Almost precisely a year ago, we were acquired by VMware. So I’m now part of the VMware company and I’m working on our broader strategy around cloud native apps under the brand [inaudible 00:02:10]. [00:02:11] CC: Let me start off with a question. I think it is going to be my go-to first question for every guest that we have in the show. Some people are really well-versed in the cloud native technologies and Kubernetes and some people are completely not. Some people are asking really good questions out there, and I try to too as I’m one of those people who are still learning. So my question for you is what do you think people are asking that they are not asking the right frame, that you wish they would be asking that question in a different way. [00:02:45] CM: It’s a very interesting question. I don’t think there’s any bad questions in the world, but one question I encountered a fair bit is, “Hey, I’ve heard about this Kubernetes thing and I want one.” I’m not sure it’s actually the right question, right? Kubernetes is a powerful technology. I definitely think we’re in this sort of peak hype phase of the project. There are a set of opportunities that Kubernetes really brings a much more robust ability to manage, it abstracts a way infrastructure — there are some very powerful things. But to be able to be really successful with Kubernetes project, there’re a number of additional ingredients that really need to be thought through. The questions that ought to be asked are, "I understand the utility of Kubernetes and I believe that it would bring value to my organization, but do I have the skills and capabilities necessary to stand up and run a successful Kubernetes program?" That’s something to really think about. It’s not just about the nature of the technology, but it really brings in a lot of new concepts that challenge organizations. If we think about applications that exist in Kubernetes, there’s challenges with observability. When you think the mechanics of delivering into a containerized sort of environment, there are a lot of dos and don’ts that make a ton of sense there. A lot of organizations I’ve worked with are excited about the technology, but they don’t necessarily have the depth of understanding of where it's best used and then how to operate it. The second addendum to that is, “Okay, I’m able to deploy Kubernetes, but what happens the next day? What happens if I need to update it? When I need to maintain it? What happens when I discover that I need not one Kubernetes cluster or even 10 Kubernetes clusters, but a hundred or a thousand or 10,000.” Which is what we are starting to see out there in the industry. “Have I taken the right first step on that journey to set me up for success in the long-term?” I do think there’s just a tremendous amount of opportunity and excitement around the technology, but also think it’s something that organizations really need to look at as not just about deploying a platform technology, but introducing the necessary skills that are necessary to operate and maintain it and the supporting technologies that are necessary to get the workloads on to it in a sustainable way. [00:04:42] JR: You’ve raised a number of assumptions around how people think about it I think, which are interesting. Even just starting with the idea of the packaging problem that represents containerization is a reasonable start. So infrequently, do we describe like the context of the problems that — all of the problems that Kubernetes solve that frequently I think people just get way ahead of themselves. It’s a pretty good description. [00:05:04] DC: So maybe in a similar vein, Craig, we had mentioned all the pieces that go into running Kubernetes successfully. You have to bolt some things on maybe for security or do some things to ensure observability as adequate, and it seems like the ecosystem has taken notice of all those needs and has built a million projects and products around that space. I’m curious of your thoughts on that because it’s like in one way it’s great because it shows it’s really healthy and thriving. In another way, it causes a lot of fragmentation and confusion for people who are thinking whether they can or cannot run Ku, because there are so many options out there to accomplish those kinds of things. So I was just curious of your general thoughts on that and where it’s headed. [00:05:43] CM: It’s fascinating to see the sort of burgeoning ecosystem around Kubernetes, and I think it’s heartening, because if you think at the very highest level, the world is going to go one of two ways with the introduction of the hyper-scale public cloud. It’s either going to lead us into a world which feels like mainframe era again, where no one ever got [inaudible 00:06:01] Amazon in this case, or by Microsoft, whatever the case. Whoever sort of merges over time as the dominant force. But it also represents some challenges where you have these vertically integrated closed systems, innovation becomes prohibitively difficult. It’s hard to innovate in a closed system, because you’re innovating only for organizations that have already taken that dependancy. I think Kubernetes has opened it up, not just in terms of the world of applications that can run Kubernetes, but also this burgeoning ecosystem of supporting technologies that can create value. There’s a reason why startups are building around Kubernetes. There’s a reason they’re looking to solve these problems. I do think we’ll see a continued period of consolidation. You're not a cool mainstream enterprise software provider if you don’t have a Kubernetes story today. I think we’ll start to see continued focus and consolidation around a set of the larger organizations that are operating in this space. It’s not accidental that Heptio is a part of VMware at this point. When I looked at the ecosystem, it was pretty clear we need to take a boat to fully materialize the value of Kubernetes and I am pleased to be part of this organization. So I do think you’ll start to see a variety of different vendors emerging with a pretty clear, well-defined opinions and relatively turnkey solutions that address the gamut of capabilities. One organization needs to get into Kubernetes. One of the things that delights me about Kubernetes is that if you are a sophisticated organization that is self-identifying as a software company, and this is sort of manifest in the internet space if you’re running a sort of hyper-scale internet service, you are kind of by definition a software company. You probably have the skills on hand to make great choices around what projects, follow the communities, identify when things are reaching point of critical mass. You’re running in a space where your system is relatively homogenous. You don’t have just the sort of massive gamut of workloads, a lot of dimension enterprise organizations have. There’s going to be different approaches to the ecosystem depending on which organization is looking at the problem space. I do think this is prohibitively challenging for a lot of organizations that are not resourced at the level of a hyper-scale internet company from a technology perspective, where their day job isn’t running a production service for millions or billions of users. I do think situations like that, it makes a tremendous amount of sense to identify and work with someone you trust in the ecosystem, that can help you just navigate the wild map that is the Kubernetes landscape, that can participate in a number of these emerging communities that has the ability to put their thumb on the scale where necessary to make sure that things converge. I think it’s situational. I think the lovely thing about Kubernetes is that it does give organizations a chance to cut their teeth without having to dig into like a deep procurement cyclewith a major vendor. We see a lot of self-service Kubernetes projects getting initiated. But at some point, almost inevitably, people need a little bit more help, and that’s the role of a lot of these vendors. I think that I truly hope that I’m personally committed to, is that as we start to see the convergence of this ecosystem, as we start to see the pieces falling into place, that we retain an emphasis on the value of community that we also sort of avoid the balkanization and fragmentation, which sometimes comes out of these types of systems. We are so much better served as a software company if we can preserve consistency from environment to environment. The reality is as we start looking at large organizations, enterprises that are consuming Kubernetes, it’s almost inevitable that they’re going to be consuming Kubernetes from a number of different sources. Whether the sources are cloud provider delivering Kubernetes services or whether they handle Kubernetes clusters that are dedicated centralized IT team is delivering or whether it’s vendor provided Kubernetes. There’s going to be a lot of different flavors and variants on it. I think working within the community not as king makers, but as concerned citizens that are looking to make sure that there are very high-levels of consistency from offering to offering, means that our customers are going to be better served. We’re right now in a time where this technology is burgeoning. It’s highly scrutinized, but it’s not necessarily very widely deployed. So I think it’s important to just keep an eye on that sort of community centricity. Stay as true to our stream as possible. Avoid balkanization, and I think everyone will benefit from that. [00:10:16] DC: Makes sense. One of the things I took away from my year, I was just looking kind of back at my year and learning, consolidating my thoughts on what had happened. One of the big takeaways for me in my customer engagements this year was that a number of customers outright came out explicitly and said, “Our success as a company is not going to be measured by our ability to operate Kubernetes, which is true and obvious.” But at the same time, I think that that’s a really interesting moment of awareness for a lot of the people that I work with out there in the field, where they realized, you know what, Kubernetes may be the next best thing. It may be an incredible technology, but fundamentally, it’s not going to be the measure by which we are graded success. It’s going to be what we do on top of that that is more interesting. So I think that your point about that ecosystem is large enough that people will be consuming Kubernetes for multiple searches is sort of amplified by that, because people are going to look for that easy button as inroad. They’re going to look for some way to get the Kubernetes thing so that they can actually start exploring what will happen on top of it as their primary goal rather than how to get Kubernetes from an operational perspective or even understand the care and feeding of it because they don’t see that as the primary measure of success. [00:11:33] CM: That is entirely true. When I think about enterprise software, there’s sort of these three pieces of it. The first piece is the sort of crystaline core of enterprise software. That’s consistent from enterprise to enterprise to enterprise. It’s purchased from primary vendors or it’s built by open source communities. It represents a significant basis for everything. There’s the sort of peripheral, the sort of sea of applications that exist around that enterprises built that are entirely unique to their environment, and they’re relatively fluid. Then there’s this weird sort of interstitial layer, which is the integration glue that exists between their crystalline core and those applications and operating practices that enterprises create. So I think from my side, we benefit if that crystalline core is as large as possible so that enterprises don’t have to rely on bespoke integration practices as much possible. We also need to make allowances for the idea that that interstitial layer between the sort of core of a technology like Kubernetes and the applications may be modular or sort of extended by a variety of different vendors. If you’re operating in this space, like the telco space, your problems are going to be unique to telco, but they’re going to be shared by every other telco provider. One of the beautiful things about Kubernetes is it is sufficiently modular, it is a pretty well-thought resistant. So I think we will start to see a lot of specialization in terms of those integration pieces. A lot of specialization in terms of how Kubernetes is fit to a specific area, and I think that represents an awful opportunity for the community to continue to evolve. But I also think it means that we as contributors to the project need to make allowances for that. We can’t hold opinion to the point where it precludes massive significant value for organizations as they look at modularized and extending the platform. [00:13:19] CC: What is your opinion on people making specialized Kubernetes operating systems? For example, we’re talking about telcos. I think there’s a Kubernetes OSS specifically for telcos that strip away things that kind of industry doesn’t need. What are the tradeoffs that you see? [00:13:39] CM: It’s almost inevitable that you’re going to start to see specialized operating system distributions that are tailored to container-based workloads. I think as we start looking at like the telco space with network function virtualization, Kubernetes promises to be something that we never really saw before. At the end of the day, telco is very broadly deployed open stack as this primary substrate for network function virtualization. But at the end of the day, they ended up not just deploying one rendition of open stack. But in many cases, three, four, five, depending on what functions they wanted to run, and there wasn’t a sufficient commonality in terms of the implementations. It became very sort of vendor-centric and balkanized in many ways. I think there’s an opportunity here to work hard as a community to drive convergence around a lot of those Kubernetes constructs so that, sure, the operating system is going to be different. If you’re running an NFV data plane implementation, doing a lot of bit slinging, it’s going to look fundamentally different to anything else in the industry, right? But that shouldn’t necessarily mean that you can’t use the same tools to organize, manage and reason about the workloads. A lot of the innovations that happen above that shouldn’t necessarily be tied to that. I think there’s promise there and it’s going to be an amazing test for Kubernetes itself to see how well it scales into those environments. By and large, I’m a fan of rendered down, container-optimized operating system distributions. There’s a lot of utility there, but I think we also need to be practical and recognize that enterprises have gotten comfortable with the OS landscape that they have. So we have to make allowances that as part of containerizing and distributing your application, maybe you don’t necessarily need to and hopefully re-qualify the underlying OS and challenge a lot of the assumptions. So I think we just need to pragmatic about it. [00:15:19] DC: I know that’s a dear topic to Josh and I. We’ve fought that battle in the past as well. I do think it’s another one of those things where it’s a set of assumptions. It’s fascinating to me how many different ecosystems are sort of collapsing, maybe not ecosystems. How many different audiences are brought together by a technology like container orchestration. That you are having that conversation with, “You know what? Let’s just change the paradigm for operating systems.” That you are having that conversation with, “Let’s change the paradigm for observability and lifecycle stuff. Let’s change the paradigm for packaging. We’ll call it containers.” You know what I mean? It’s so many big changes in one idea. It’s crazy. [00:15:54] CM: It’s a little daunting if you think about it, right? I always say, change is easiest across one dimension, right? If I’m going to change everything all at once across all the dimensions, life gets really hard. I think, again, it’s one of these things where Kubernetes represents a lot of value. I walk into a lot of customer accounts and I spend a lot of time with customers. I think based on their experiences, they sort of make one of two assumptions. There’s a set of vendors that will come into an environment and say, “Hey, just run this tool against your virtual machine images – and Kubernetes, right?” Then they have another set of vendors that will come in and say, “Yeah. Hey, you just need to go like turn this thing into 12 factor cloud native service mesh-linked applications driven through CICD, and your life is magic.” There are some cases where it makes sense, but there’re some cases where it just doesn’t. Hey, what uses a 24 gigabyte container? Is that really solving the problems that you have in some systematic way? At the other end of the spectrum, like there’s no world in which an enterprise organization is rewriting 3,000, 5,000 applications to be cloud native from the ground up. It just is not going to happen, right? So just understanding the return investment associated with the migration into Kubernetes. I’m not saying where it make sense and where it doesn’t. It’s such an important part of this story. [00:17:03] JR: On that front, and this is something Duffy and I talk to our customers about all the time. Say you’re sitting with someone and you’re talking about potentially using Kubernetes or they’re thinking about it, are there like some key indicators that you see, Craig, as like, “Okay. Maybe Kubernetes does have that return on investment pretty soon to justify it." Or maybe even in the reverse, like some things where you think, “Okay, these people are just going to implement Kubernetes and it’s going to become shelf weary.” How do you qualify as an org, “I might be ready to bring on something like Kubernetes.” [00:17:32] CM: It’s interesting. For me, it’s almost inevitably – as much about the human skills as anything else. I mean, the technology itself isn’t rocket science. I think the sort of critical success criteria, when I start looking at engagement, is there a cultural understanding of what Kubernetes represents? Kubernetes is not easy to use. That initial [inaudible 00:17:52] to the face is kind of painful for people that are used to different experiences. Making sure that the basic skills and expectations are met is really important. I think there’s definitely some sort of acid test around workloads fit as you start looking at Kubernetes. It’s an evolving ecosystem and it’s maturing pretty rapidly, but there are still areas that need a little bit more heavy lifting, right? So if you think about like, “Hey, I want to run a vertically-scaled OLTP database in Kubernetes today.” I don’t know. Maybe not the best choice. If the customer knows that, if they have enough familiarity or they’re willing to engage, I think it makes a tremendous amount of sense. By and large, the biggest challenge I see is not so much in the Kubernetes space. It’s easy enough to get to a basic cluster. There’re sort of two dimensions to this, there is day two operations. I see a lot of organizations that have worked to create scale up programs of platform technologies. Before Kubernetes there was Mesos and there’s obviously PCF that we’ll be coming more increasingly involved in. Organizations that have chewed on creating and deploying a standardized platform often have the operational skills, but you also need to look at like why did that previous technology really meet sort of criteria, and do you have the skills to operate it on a day two basis? Often there’s not – They’ve worked out the day two operational issues, but they still haven’t figured out like what it means to create a modern software supply chain that can deliver into the Kubernetes space. They haven’t figured out necessarily how to create the right incentive structures and experiences for the developers that are looking to build, package and deliver into that environment. That’s probably the biggest point of frustration I see with enterprises, is, “Okay. I got to Kubernetes. Now what?” That question just hasn’t been answered. They haven’t really thought through, “These are the CICD processes. This is how you engage your cyber team to qualify the platform for these classes of workloads. This is how you set up a container repo and run scans against it. This is how you assign TTL on images, so you don’t just get massive repo.” There’s so much in the application domain that just needs to exist that I think people often trivialize and it’s really taking the time and picking a couple of projects being measured in the investments. Making sure you have the right kind of cultural profile of teams that are engaged. Create that sort of celebratory moment of success. Make sure that the team is sort of metricking and communicating the productivity improvements, etc. That really drives the option and engagement with the whole customer base. [00:20:11] CC: It sounds to me like you have a book in the making. [00:20:13] CM: Oh! I will never write a book. It just seems like a lot of work. Brendan and a buch of my friends write books. Yeah, that seems like a whole lot of work. [00:20:22] DC: You had mentioned that you decided you wanted to work with Joe again. You formed Heptio. I was actually there for a year. I think I was around for a bit longer than that obviously. I’m curious what your thoughts about that were as an experiment win. If you just think about it as that part of the journey, do you think that was a success and what did you learn from that whole experiment that you wished everybody knew, just from a business perspective? It might have been business or it might have been running a company, any of that stuff. [00:20:45] CM: So I’m very happy with the way that Heptio went. There were a few things that sort of stood out for me as things that folks should think about if they’re going to start a startup or they want to join a startup. The first and foremost I would say is design the culture to the problem at hand. Culture isn’t accidental. I think that Heptio had a pretty distinct and nice culture, and I don’t want to sound self-congratulatory. I mean, as with anything, a certain amount of this is work, but a lot of it is luck as well. Making sure that the cultural identity of the company is well-suited to the problem at-hand. This is critical, right? When I think about what Heptio embodied, it was really tailored to the specific journey that we were setting ourselves up for. We were looking to be passionate advocates for Kubernetes. We were looking to walk the journey with our customers in an authentic way. We were looking to create a company that was built around sustainability. I think the culture is good and I encourage folks either the thing you’re starting is a startup or looking to join one, to think hard about that culture and how it’s going to map to the problems they’re trying to solve. The other thing that I think really motivated me to do Heptio, and I think this is something that I’m really excited to continue on with VMware, was the opportunity to walk the journey with customers. So many startups have this massive reticence to really engage deeply in professional services. In many ways, Google is fun. I had a blast there. It’s a great company to work for. We were able to build out some really cool tech and do good things. But I grew kind of tired of writing letters from the future. I was, “Okay, we are flying cars." When you're interacting with the customer. I can’t start my car and get to work. It’s great that you have flying cars, but right now I just need to get in my car, drive down the block and get out and get to work. So walking the journey with customers is probably the most important learning from Heptio and it’s one of the things I’m kind of most proud of. That opportunity to share the pain. Get involved from day one. Look at that as your most valuable apparatus to not just build your business, but also to learn what you need to build. Having a really smart set of people that are comfortable working directly with customers or invested in the success of those customers is so powerful. So if you’re in the business or in the startup game, investors may be leery of building out a significant professional service as a function, because that’s just how Silicon Valley works. But it is absolutely imperative in terms of your ability to engage with customers, particularly around nascent technologies, filled with gaps where the product doesn’t exist. Learn from those experiences and bring that back into the core product. It’s just a huge part of what we did. If I was ever in a situation where I had to advice a startup in the sort of open source space, I’d say lean into the professional service. Lean into field engineering. It’s a critical way to build your business. Learn what customers need. Walk the journey with them and just develop a deep empathy. [00:23:31] CC: With new technology, that was a concern about having enough professionals in the market who are knowledgeable in that new technology. There is always a gap for people to catch up with that. So I’m curious to know what customers or companies, prospective customers, how they are thinking in terms of finding professionals to help them? Are they’re concerned that there’s enough professionals in the market? Are they finding that the current people who are admins and operators are having an easy time because their skills are transferable, if they’re going to embark on the Kubernetes journey? What are they telling you? [00:24:13] CM: I mean, there’s a huge skills shortage. This is one of the kind of primary threats to the short term adoption of Kubernetes. I think Kubernetes will ultimately permeate enterprise organizations. I think it will become a standard for distributed systems development. Effectively emerging as an operating system for distributed systems, is people build more natively around Kubernetes. But right now it’s like the early days of Linux, where you deploy Linux, you’d have to kind of build it from scratch type of thing. It is definitely a challenge. For enterprise organizations, it’s interesting, because there’s a war for talent. There’s just this incredible appetite for Kubernetes talent. There’s always that old joke around the job description for like 10 years of Kubernetes experience on a five-year project. That certainly is something we see a lot. I’d take it from two sides. One is recognizing that as an enterprise organization, you are not going to be able to hire this talent. Just accept that sad truth. You can hire a seed crystal for it, but you really need to look at that as something that you’re going to build out as an enablement function for your own consumption. As you start assessing individuals that you’re going to bring on in that role, don’t just assess for Kubernetes talent. Assess for the ability to teach. Look for people that can come in and not just do, but teach and enable others to do it, right? Because at the end of the day, if you need like 50 Kubernauts at a certain level, so does your competitor and all of your other competitors. So does every other function out there. There’s just massive shortage of skills. So emphasizing your own – taking on the responsibility of building your own expertise. Educating your own organization. Finding ways to identify people that are motivated by this type of technology and creating space for them and recognizing and rewarding their work as they build this out. Because it’s far more practical to hire into existing skillset and then create space so that the people that have the appetite and capability to really absorb these types of disruptive technologies can do so within the parameters of your organization. Create the structures to support them and then make it their job to help permeate that knowledge and information into the organization. It’s just not something you can just bring in. The skills just don’t exist in the broader world. Then for professionals that are interested in Kubernetes, this is definitely a field that I think we’ll see a lot of job security for a very long-time. Taking on that effort, it’s just well worth the journey. Then I’d say the other piece of this is for vendors like VMware, our job can’t be just delivering skills and delivering technology. We need to think about our role as an enablers in the ecosystem as folks that are helping not just build up our own expertise of Kubernetes that we can represent to customers, but we’re well-served by our customers developing their own expertise. It’s not a threat to us. It actually enables them to consume the technologies that we provide. So focusing on that enablement through us as integration partners and [inaudible] community, focusing on enablement for our customers and education programs and the things that they need to start building out their capacity internally, is going to serve us all well. [00:27:22] JR: Something going back to maybe the Heptio conversation, I’m super interested in this. Being a very open source-oriented company, at VMware this is of course this true as well. We have to engage with large groups of humans from all different kinds of companies and we have to do that while building and shipping product to some degree. So where I’m going with this is like – I remember back in the Heptio days, there was something with dynamic audit logging that we were struggling with, and we needed it for some project we were working on. But we needed to get consensus in a designed approve at like a bigger community level. I do know to some degree that did limit our ability to ship quickly. So you probably know where I’m going with this. When you’re working on projects or products, how do you balance, making sure the whole community is coming along with you, but also making sure that you can actually ship something? [00:28:08] DM: That harkens back to that sort of catch phrase that Tim Sinclair always uses. If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together. I think as with almost everything in the world, these things are situational, right? There are situations where it is so critical that you bring the community along with you that you don’t find yourself carrying the load for something by yourself that you just have to accept and absorb that it’s going to be pushing string. Working with an engaged community necessitates consensus, necessitates buy-in not just from you, but from potentially your competitors. The people that you’re working with and recognizing that they’ll be doing their own sort of mental calculus around whether this advantages them or not and whatnot. But hopefully, I think certainly in the Kubernetes community, this is general recognition that making the underlying technology accessible. Making it ubiquitous, making it intrinsically supportable profits everyone. I think there’re a couple of things that I look at. Make the decision pretty early on as to whether this is something you want to kind of spark off and sort of stride off on your own an innovate around, whether it’s something that’s critical to bring the community along with you around. I’ll give you two examples of this, right? One example was the work we did around technologies like Valero, which is a backup restore product. It was an urgent and critical need to provide a sustainable way to back up and recover Kubernetes. So we didn’t have the time to do this through Kubernetes. But also it didn’t necessarily matter, because everything we’re doing was build this addendum to Kubernetes. That project created a lot of value and we’ve donated to open source project. Anyone can use it. But we took on the commitment to drive the development ourselves. It’s not just we need it to. Because we had to push very quickly in that space. Whereas if you look at the work that we’re doing around things like cluster API and the sort of broader provisioning of Kubernetes, it’s so important that the ecosystem avoids the tragedy of the commons around things like lifecycle management. It’s so important that we as a community converge on a consistent way to reason about the deployment upgrade and scaling of Kubernetes clusters. For any single vendor to try to do that by themselves, they’re going to take on the responsibility of dealing with not just one or two environments if you’re a hyperscale cloud provider [inaudible 00:30:27] many can do that. But we think about doing that for, in our case, “Hey, we only deploy into vSphere. Not just what’s coming next, but also earlier versions of vSphere. We need to be able to deploy into all of the hyper-scalers. We need to deploy into some of the emerging cloud providers. We need to start reasoning about edge. We need to start thinking about all of these. We’re a big company and we have a lot of engineers. But you’re going to get stretched very thin, very quickly if you try to chew that off by yourself. So I think a lot of it is situational. I think there are situations where it does pay for organizations to kind of innovate, charge off in a new direction. Run an experiment. See if it sticks. Over time, open that up to the community as it makes sense. The thing that I think is most important is that you just wear your heart on your sleeve. The worst thing you can do is to present a charter that, “Hey, we’re doing this as a community-centric, open project with open design, open community, open source,” and then change your mind later, because that just creates dramas. I think it’s situational. Pick the path that makes sense to the problem at-hand. Figure out how long your customer can wait for something. Sometimes you can bring things back to communities that are very open and accepting community. You can look at it as an experiment, and if it makes sense in that experiment perform factor, present it back to the Kubernetes communities and see if you can kind of get it back in. But in some case it just makes sense to work within the structure and constraints of the community and just accept that great things from a community angle take a lot of time. [00:31:51] CC: I think too, one additional thing that I don’t think was mentioned is that if a project grows too big, you can always break it off. I mean, Kubernetes is such a great example of that. Break it off into separate components. Break it off into separate governance groups, and then parts can move with different speeds. [00:32:09] CM: Yeah, and there’s all kinds of options. So the heart of it is no one rule, right? It’s entirely situational. What are you trying to accomplish on what arise and acknowledge and accept that the evolution of the core of Kubernetes is slowing as it should. That’s a signal that the project is maturing. You cannot deliver value at a longer timeline that your business or your customers can absorb then maybe it makes sense to do something on the outside. Just wear your heart on your sleeve and make sure your customers and your partners know what you’re doing. [00:32:36] DC: One of your earlier points about how do companies – I think Josh's question and was around how do companies attract talent. You’re basically pointing, and I think that there are some relation to this particular topic because, frequently, I’ve seen companies find some success by making room for open source or upstream engineers to focus on the Kubernetes piece and to help drive that adoption internally. So if you’re going to adopt something like a Kubernetes strategy as part of a larger company goal, if you can actually make room within your organization to bring people who are – or to support people who want to focus on that up stream, I think that you get a lot of ancillary benefits from that, including it makes it easier to adopt that technology and understand it and actually have some more skin in the game around where the open source project itself is going. [00:33:25] CM: Yeah, absolutely. I think one of the lovely things about the Kubernetes community is this idea of your position is earned, not granted, right? The way that you earn influence and leadership and basically the good will of everyone else in that community is by chopping wood, carrying water. Doing the things that are good for the community. Over time, any organization, any human being can become influential and lead based on their merits of their contributions. It’s important that vendors think about that. But at the same time, I have a hard time taking exception with practically any use of open source. At the end of the day, open source by its nature is a leap of faith. You’re making that technology accessible. If someone else can take it, operationalize it well and deliver value for organizations, that’s part of your contract. That’s what you absorb as a vendor when you start the thing. So people shouldn’t feel like they have to. But if you want to influence and lead, you do need to. Participate in these communities in an open way. [00:34:22] DC: When you were helping form the CNCF and some of those projects, did you foresee it being like a driving goal for people, not just vendors, but also like consumers of the technologies associated with those foundations? [00:34:34] CM: Yeah, it was interesting. Starting the CNCF, I can speak from the position of where I was inside Google. I was highly motivated by the success of Kubernetes. Not just personally motivated, because it was a project that I was working on. I was motivated to see it emerge as a standard for distributed systems development that attracts the way the infrastructure provider. I’m not ashamed of it. It was entirely self-serving. If you looked at Google’s market position at that time, if you looked at where we were as a hyper-scale cloud provider. Instituting something that enabled the intrinsic mobility of workloads and could shuffle around the cards on the deck so to speak [inaudible 00:35:09]. I also felt very privileged that that was our position, because we didn’t necessarily have to create artificial structures or constraints around the controls of the system, because that process of getting something to become ubiquitous, there’s a natural path if you approach it as a single provider. I’m not saying who couldn’t have succeeded with Kubernetes as a single provider. But if Red Hat and IBM and Microsoft and Amazon had all piled on to something else, it’s less obvious, right? It’s less obvious that Kubernetes would have gone as far as it did. So I was setting up CNCF, I was highly motivated by preserving the neutrality. Creating structures that separated the various sort of forms of governance. I always joke that at the time of creating CNCF, I was motivated by the way the U.S. Constitution is structured. Where you have these sort of different checks and balances. So I wanted to have something that would separate vendor interests from things that are maintaining taste on the discreet project. The sort of architecture integrity, and maintain separation from customer segments, so that you’d create the sort of natural self-balancing system. It was definitely in my thinking, and I think it worked out pretty well. Certainly not perfect, but it did lead down a path which I think has supported the success of the project a fair bit. [00:36:26] DC: So we talked a lot about Kubernetes. I’m curious, do you have some thoughts, Carlisia? [00:36:31] CC: Actually, I know you have a question about microliths. I was very interested in exploring that. [00:36:37] CM: There’s an interesting pattern that I see out there in the industry and this manifests in a lot of different ways, right? When you think about the process of bringing applications and workloads into Kubernetes, there’s this sort of pre-dispositional bias towards, “Hey, I’ve got this monolithic application. It’s vertically scaled. I’m having a hard time with the sort of team structure. So I’m going to start tuning it up into a set of microservices that I can then manage discretely and ideally evolve on a separate cadence. This is an example of a real customer situation where someone said, “Hey, I’ve just broken this monolith down into 27 microservices.” So I was sort of asking a couple of questions. The first one was when you have to update those 27 – if you want to update one of those, how many do you have to touch? The answer was 27. I was like, “Ha! You just created a microlith.” It’s like a monolith, except it’s just harder to live with. You’re taking a packaging problem and turn it into a massively complicated orchestration problem. I always use that jokingly, but there’s something real there, which is there’s a lot of secondary things you need to think through as you start progressing on this cloud native journey. In the case of microservice development, it’s one thing to have API separated microservices. That’s easy enough to institute. But instituting the organization controls around an API versioning strategy such you can start to establish stable API with consistent schema and being able to sort of manage the dependencies to consuming teams requires a level of sophistication that a lot of organizations haven’t necessarily thought through. So it’s very easy to just sort of get caught up in the hype without necessarily thinking through what happens downstream. It’s funny. I see the same thing in functions, right? I interact with organizations and they’re like, “Wow! We took this thing that was running in a container and we turned it into 15 different functions.” I’m like, “Ha! Okay.” You start asking questions like, “Well, do you have any challenges with state coherency?” They’re like, “Yeah! It’s funny you say that. Because these things are a little bit less transactionally coherent, we have to write state watches. So we try and sort of watermark state and watch this thing." I’m like, “You’re building a distributed transaction coordinator on your free time. Is this really the best use of your resources?" Right? So it really gets back to that idea that there’s a different tool for a different job. Sometimes the tool is a virtual machine. Sometimes it’s not. Sometimes the tool is a bare metal deployment. If you’re building a quantitative trading application that’s microsecond latency sensitive, you probably don’t want to hypervisor there. Sometimes a VM is the natural destination and there’s no reason to move from a VM. Sometimes it’s a container. Sometimes you want to start looking at that container and just modularizing it so you can run a set of things next to each other in the same process space. Sometimes you’re going to want to put APIs between those things and separate them out into separate containers. There’s an ROI. There’s a cause and there’s a benefit associated with each of those transitions. More importantly, there are a set of skills that you have to have as you start looking at their continuum and making sure that you’re making good choices and being wise about it. [00:39:36] CC: That is a very good observation. Design is such an important part of software development. I wonder if Kubernetes helps mask these design problems. For example, the ones you are mentioning, or does Kubernetes sort of surfaces them even more? [00:39:53] CM: It’s an interesting philosophical question. Kubernetes certainly masks some problems. I ran into an early – this is like years ago. I ran into an early customer, who confided in me, "I think we’re writing worse code now." I was like, ”What do you mean?” He was like, “Well, it used to be when we went out of memory on something, we get paged. Now we’ve set out that we go and it just restarts the container and everything continuous.” There’s no real incentive for the engineers to actually go back and deal with the underlying issues and recourse it, because the system is just more intrinsically robust and self-healing by nature. I think there's definitely some problems that Kubernetes will compound. If you’re very sloppy with your dependencies, if you create a really large, vertically scaled monolith that’s running at VM today, putting it in a container is probably strictly going to make your life worse. Just be respectful of that. But at the same time, I do think that the discipline associated with transition to Kubernetes, if you walk it a little bit further along. If you start thinking about the fact that you’re not running a lot of imperative processes during a production in a push, where deployment container is effectively a bin copy with some minimal post-deployment configuration changes that happen. It sort of leads you on to a much happier path naturally. I think it can mask some issues, but by and large, the types of systems you end up building are going to be more intrinsically operationally stable and scalable. But it is also worth recognizing that it’s — you are going to encounter corner cases. I’ve run into a lot of customers that will push the envelope in a direction that was unanticipated by the community or they accidentally find themselves on new ground that’s just unstable, because the technology is relatively nascent. So just recognizing that if you’re going to walk down a new path, I’m not saying don’t, just recognize that you’re probably going to encounter some stuff that’s going to take over to working through. [00:41:41] DC: We get an earlier episode about API contracts, which I think highlights some of these stuff as well, because it sort of gets into some of those sharp edges of like why some of those things are super important when you start thinking about microservices and stuff. We’re coming to the end of our time, but one of the last questions I want to ask you, we’ve talked a lot about Kubernetes in this episode, I’m curious what the future holds. We see a lot of really interesting things happening in the ecosystem around moving more towards serverless. There are a lot of people who are like — thinking that perhaps a better line would be to move away from like infrastructure offering and just basically allow cloud providers in this stuff to manage your nodes for you. We have a few shots on goal for that ourselves. It’s been really an interesting evolution over the last year in that space. I’m curious, what sort of lifetime would you ascribe to it today? What do you think that this is going to be the thing in 10 years? Do you think it will be a thing in 5 years? What do you see coming that might change it? [00:42:32] CM: It’s interesting. Well, first of all, I think 2018 was the largest year ever for mainframe sales. So we have these technologies, once they’re in enterprise, it tends to be pretty durable. The duty cycle of enterprise software technology is pretty long-lived. The real question is we’ve seen a lot of technologies in this space emerge, ascend, reach a point of critical mass and then fade and they’re disrupted by the technologies. Is Kubernetes going to be a Linux or is Kubernetes going to be a Mesos, right? I mean, I don’t claim to know the answer. My belief, and I think this is probably true, is that it’s more like a Linux. When you think about the heart of what Kubernetes is doing, is it’s just providing a better way to build and organized distributed systems. I’m sure that the code will evolve rapidly and I’m sure there will be a lot of continued innovation enhancement. But when you start thinking about the fact that what Kubernetes has really done is brought controller reconciler based management to distributed systems developed everywhere. When you think about the fact that pretty much every system these days is distributed by nature, it really needs something that supports that model. So I think we will see Kubernetes sticking. We’ll see it become richer. We’ll start to see it becoming more applicable for a lot of things that we’re starting to just running in VMs. It may well continue to run in VMs and just be managed by Kubernetes. I don’t have an opinion about how to reason about the underlying OS and virtualization structure. The thing I do have opinion about is it makes a ton of sense to be able to use a declarative framework. Use a set of well-structured controllers and reconcilers to drive your world into a non-desired state. I think that pattern will be – it’s been quite successful. It can be quite durable. I think we’ll start to see organizations embrace a lot of these technologies over time. It is possible that something brighter, shinier, newer, comes along. Anyone will tell you that we made enough mistakes during the journey and there is stuff that I think everyone regret some of the Kubernetes train. I do think it’s likely to be pretty durable. I don’t think it’s a silver bullet. Nothing is, right? It’s like any of these technologies, there’s always the cost and there’s a benefit associated with it. The benefits are relatively well-understood. But there’s going to be different tools to do different jobs. There’s going to be new patterns that emerge that simplify things. Is Kubernetes the best framework for running functions? I don’t know. Maybe. Kind of like what the [inaudible] people are doing. But are there more intrinsically optimal ways to do this, maybe. I don’t know. [00:45:02] JR: It has been interesting watching Kubernetes itself evolve in that moving target. Some of the other technologies I’ve seen kind of stagnate on their one solution and don’t grow further. But that’s definitely not what I see within this community. It’s like always coming up with something new. Anyway, thank you very much for your time. That was an incredible session. [00:45:22] CM: Yeah. Thank you. It’s always fun to chat. [00:45:24] CC: Yeah. We’ll definitely have you back, Craig. Yes, we are coming up at the end, but I do want to ask if you have any thoughts that you haven’t brought up or we haven’t brought up that you’d like to share with the audience of this podcast. [00:45:39] CM: I guess the one thing that was going through my head earlier I didn’t say which is as you look at these technologies, there’s sort of these two duty cycles. There’s the hype duty cycle, where technology ascends in awareness and everyone looks at it as an answer to all the everythings. Then there’s the readiness duty cycle, which is sometimes offset. I do think we’re certainly peak hype right now in Kubernetes if you attended KubeCon. I do think there’s perhaps a gap between the promise and the reality for a lot of organizations. It's always just council caution and just be judicious about how you approach this. It’s a very powerful technology and I see a very bright future for it. Thanks for your time. [00:46:17] CC: Really, thank you so much. It’s so refreshing to hear from you. You have great thoughts. With that, thank you very much. We will see you next week. [00:46:28] JR: Thanks, everybody. See you. [00:46:29] DC: Cheers, folks. [END OF INTERVIEW] [00:46:31] ANNOUNCER: Thank you for listening to The Podlets Cloud Native Podcast. Find us on Twitter at https://twitter.com/ThePodlets and on the http://thepodlets.io/ website, where you'll find transcripts and show notes. We'll be back next week. Stay tuned by subscribing. [END]See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The telecom industry has been around for over a hundred years. From radio, to television to the internet, it is crucial to how we work. Since it has been around for a long time, there are a lot of challenges in how hardware and software products are developed. Heather Kirksey, Linux Foundation VP, joins us to talk about this and explains how deployment of services is accelerated through network services. We talked about Network Function Virtualization, also known as NFV, among other things.