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Brits face empty shelves and suspended meal deals as cybercriminals hit major high street retailers, and a terminated Disney employee gets revenge with a little help with Wingdings. Plus Graham challenges Carole to a game of "Malware or metal?", and we wonder just happens when you have sex on top of a piano?All this and more is discussed in the latest edition of the "Smashing Security" podcast by cybersecurity veterans Graham Cluley and Carole Theriault.Plus! Don't miss our featured interview with Jon Cho of Dashlane.Warning: This podcast may contain nuts, adult themes, and rude language.Episode links:Why is the M&S cyber attack chaos taking so long to resolve? - BBC News.M&S 'had no plan' for cyber attacks, insider claims, with 'staff left sleeping in the office amid paranoia and chaos' - Sky News.Hackers target the Co-op as police probe M&S cyber attack - BBC News.Harrods latest retailer to be hit by cyber attack - BBC News.Alleged ‘Scattered Spider' Member Extradited to US - Krebs on Security.British 'ringleader' of hacking group 'behind M&S cyber attack' fled his home after 'masked thugs burst in and threatened him with blowtorches' - Daily Mail.Incidents impacting retailers – recommendations - NCSC.Ex-Disney employee gets 3 years in the clink for goofy attacks on mousey menus - The Register. United States of America V Michael Sheuer - Plea Agreement - US District Court PDF.At 99, David Attenborough shares strongest message for the ocean - Oceanographic magazine.Smashing Security merchandise (t-shirts, mugs, stickers and stuff)Sponsored by:Dashlane - Protect against the #1 cause of data breaches - poor password habits. Save 25% off a new business plan, or 35% off a personal Premium plan! Vanta – Expand the scope of your security program with market-leading compliance automation… while saving time and money. Smashing Security listeners get $1000 off!Material - Email security that covers the full threat landscape – stopping new flavors of phishing and pretexting attacks in

We hit a milestone today as this is our 50th Podcast Episode! A Big thank you to You, our listeners for your continued support!* Kali Linux Users Face Update Issues After Repository Signing Key Loss* CISOs Advised to Secure Personal Protections Against Scapegoating and Whistleblowing Risks* WhatsApp Launches Advanced Chat Privacy to Safeguard Sensitive Conversations* Samsung Confirms Security Vulnerability in Galaxy Devices That Could Expose Passwords* Former Disney Menu Manager Sentenced to 3 Years for Malicious System AttacksKali Linux Users Face Update Issues After Repository Signing Key Losshttps://www.kali.org/blog/new-kali-archive-signing-key/Offensive Security has announced that Kali Linux users will need to manually install a new repository signing key following the loss of the previous key. Without this update, users will experience system update failures.The company recently lost access to the old repository signing key (ED444FF07D8D0BF6) and had to create a new one (ED65462EC8D5E4C5), which has been signed by Kali Linux developers using signatures on the Ubuntu OpenPGP key server. OffSec emphasized that the key wasn't compromised, so the old one remains in the keyring.Users attempting to update their systems with the old key will encounter error messages stating "Missing key 827C8569F2518CC677FECA1AED65462EC8D5E4C5, which is needed to verify signature."To address this issue, the Kali Linux repository was frozen on February 18th. "In the coming day(s), pretty much every Kali system out there will fail to update," OffSec warned. "This is not only you, this is for everyone, and this is entirely our fault."To avoid update failures, users are advised to manually download and install the new repository signing key by running the command: sudo wget https://archive.kali.org/archive-keyring.gpg -O /usr/share/keyrings/kali-archive-keyring.gpgFor users unwilling to manually update the keyring, OffSec recommends reinstalling Kali using images that include the updated keyring.This isn't the first time Kali Linux users have faced such issues. A similar incident occurred in February 2018 when developers allowed the GPG key to expire, also requiring manual updates from users.CISOs Advised to Secure Personal Protections Against Scapegoating and Whistleblowing Riskshttps://path.rsaconference.com/flow/rsac/us25/FullAgenda/page/catalog/session/1727392520218001o5wvhttps://www.theregister.com/2025/04/28/ciso_rsa_whistleblowing/Chief Information Security Officers should negotiate personal liability insurance and golden parachute agreements when starting new roles to protect themselves in case of organizational conflicts, according to a panel of security experts at the RSA Conference.During a session on CISO whistleblowing, experienced security leaders shared cautionary tales and strategic advice for navigating the increasingly precarious position that has earned the role the nickname "chief scapegoat officer" in some organizations.Dd Budiharto, former CISO at Marathon Oil and Philips 66, revealed she was once fired for refusing to approve fraudulent invoices for work that wasn't delivered. "I'm proud to say I've been fired for not being willing to compromise my integrity," she stated. Despite losing her position, Budiharto chose not to pursue legal action against her former employer, a decision the panel unanimously supported as wise to avoid industry blacklisting.Andrew Wilder, CISO of veterinarian network Vetcor, emphasized that security executives should insist on two critical insurance policies before accepting new positions: directors and officers insurance (D&O) and personal legal liability insurance (PLLI). "You want to have personal legal liability insurance that covers you, not while you are an officer of an organization, but after you leave the organization as well," Wilder advised.Wilder referenced the case of former Uber CISO Joe Sullivan, noting that Sullivan's Uber-provided PLLI covered PR costs during his legal proceedings following a data breach cover-up. He also stressed the importance of negotiating severance packages to ensure whistleblowing decisions can be made on ethical rather than financial grounds.The panelists agreed that thorough documentation is essential for CISOs. Herman Brown, CIO for San Francisco's District Attorney's Office, recommended documenting all conversations and decisions. "Email is a great form of documentation that doesn't just stand for 'electronic mail,' it also stands for 'evidential mail,'" he noted.Security leaders were warned to be particularly careful about going to the press with complaints, which the panel suggested could result in even worse professional consequences than legal action. Similarly, Budiharto cautioned against trusting internal human resources departments or ethics panels, reminding attendees that HR ultimately works to protect the company, not individual employees.The panel underscored that proper governance, documentation, and clear communication with leadership about shared security responsibilities are essential practices for CISOs navigating the complex political and ethical challenges of their role.WhatsApp Launches Advanced Chat Privacy to Safeguard Sensitive Conversationshttps://blog.whatsapp.com/introducing-advanced-chat-privacyWhatsApp has rolled out a new "Advanced Chat Privacy" feature designed to provide users with enhanced protection for sensitive information shared in both private and group conversations.The new privacy option, accessible by tapping on a chat name, aims to prevent the unauthorized extraction of media and conversation content. "Today we're introducing our latest layer for privacy called 'Advanced Chat Privacy.' This new setting available in both chats and groups helps prevent others from taking content outside of WhatsApp for when you may want extra privacy," WhatsApp announced in its release.When enabled, the feature blocks other users from exporting chat histories, automatically downloading media to their devices, and using messages for AI features. According to WhatsApp, this ensures "everyone in the chat has greater confidence that no one can take what is being said outside the chat."The company noted that this initial version is now available to all users who have updated to the latest version of the app, with plans to strengthen the feature with additional protections in the future. However, WhatsApp acknowledges that certain vulnerabilities remain, such as the possibility of someone photographing a conversation screen even when screenshots are blocked.This latest privacy enhancement continues WhatsApp's long-standing commitment to user security, which began nearly seven years ago with the introduction of end-to-end encryption. The platform has steadily expanded its privacy capabilities since then, implementing end-to-end encrypted chat backups for iOS and Android in October 2021, followed by default disappearing messages for new chats in December of the same year.More recent security updates include chat locking with password or fingerprint protection, a Secret Code feature to hide locked chats, and location hiding during calls by routing connections through WhatsApp's servers. Since October 2024, the platform has also encrypted contact databases for privacy-preserving synchronization.Meta reported in early 2020 that WhatsApp serves more than two billion users across over 180 countries, making these privacy enhancements significant for a substantial portion of the global messaging community.Samsung Confirms Security Vulnerability in Galaxy Devices That Could Expose Passwordshttps://us.community.samsung.com/t5/Suggestions/Implement-Auto-Delete-Clipboard-History-to-Prevent-Sensitive/m-p/3200743Samsung has acknowledged a significant security flaw in its Galaxy devices that potentially exposes user passwords and other sensitive information stored in the clipboard.The issue was brought to light by a user identified as "OicitrapDraz" who posted concerns on Samsung's community forum on April 14. "I copy passwords from my password manager all the time," the user wrote. "How is it that Samsung's clipboard saves everything in plain text with no expiration? That's a huge security issue."In response, Samsung confirmed the vulnerability, stating: "We understand your concerns regarding clipboard behavior and how it may affect sensitive content. Clipboard history in One UI is managed at the system level." The company added that the user's "suggestion for more control over clipboard data—such as auto-clear or exclusion options—has been noted and shared with the appropriate team for consideration."One UI is Samsung's customized version of Android that runs on Galaxy smartphones and tablets. The security flaw means that sensitive information copied to the clipboard remains accessible in plain text without any automatic expiration or encryption.As a temporary solution, Samsung recommended that users "manually clear clipboard history when needed and use secure input methods for sensitive information." This stopgap measure puts the burden of security on users rather than providing a system-level fix.Security experts are particularly concerned now that this vulnerability has been publicly acknowledged, as it creates a potential "clipboard wormhole" that attackers could exploit to access passwords and other confidential information on affected devices. Users of Samsung Galaxy devices are advised to exercise extreme caution when copying sensitive information until a more comprehensive solution is implemented.Former Disney Menu Manager Sentenced to 3 Years for Malicious System Attackshttps://www.theregister.com/2025/04/29/former_disney_employee_jailed/A former Disney employee has received a 36-month prison sentence and been ordered to pay nearly $688,000 in fines after pleading guilty to sabotaging the entertainment giant's restaurant menu systems following his termination.Michael Scheuer, a Winter Garden, Florida resident who previously served as Disney's Menu Production Manager, was arrested in October and charged with violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) and committing aggravated identity theft. He accepted a plea agreement in January, with sentencing finalized last week in federal court in Orlando.According to court documents, Scheuer's June 13, 2024 termination from Disney for misconduct was described as "contentious and not amicable." In July, he retaliated by making unauthorized access to Disney's Menu Creator application, hosted by a third-party vendor in Minnesota, and implementing various destructive changes.The attacks included replacing Disney's themed fonts with Wingdings, rendering menus unreadable, and altering menu images and background files to display as blank white pages. These changes propagated throughout the database, making the Menu Creator system inoperable for one to two weeks. The damage was so severe that Disney has since abandoned the application entirely.Particularly concerning were Scheuer's alterations to allergen information, falsely indicating certain menu items were safe for people with specific allergies—changes that "could have had fatal consequences depending on the type and severity of a customer's allergy," according to the plea agreement. He also modified wine region labels to reference locations of mass shootings, added swastika graphics, and altered QR codes to direct customers to a website promoting a boycott of Israel.Scheuer employed multiple methods to conduct his attacks, including using an administrative account via a Mullvad VPN, exploiting a URL-based contractor access mechanism, and targeting SFTP servers that stored menu files. He also conducted denial of service attacks that made over 100,000 incorrect login attempts, locking out fourteen Disney employees from their enterprise accounts.The FBI executed a search warrant at Scheuer's residence on September 23, 2024, at which point the attacks immediately ceased. Agents discovered virtual machines used for the attacks and a "doxxing file" containing personal information on five Disney employees and a family member of one worker.Following his prison term, Scheuer will undergo three years of supervised release with various conditions, including a prohibition on contacting Disney or any of the individual victims. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit edwinkwan.substack.com

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Al and Codey talk about Honey Grove Timings 00:00:00: Theme Tune 00:00:30: Intro 00:03:18: What Have We Been Up To 00:11:21: Game News 00:33:27: New Games 00:44:24: Honey Grove 01:14:35: Outro Links Stardew Concert Dates Pixelshire Delay Hello Kitty: Island Adventure Release Date Rusty’s Retirement Winter Update Go-Go Town “Creative Corners” Update Mika and the Witch’s Update 2nd Update One Lonely Outpost “Act 2” Update Sugardew Island Romance Info Loftia Neighbourhoods Info Wylde Society Litle Rocket Lab Contact Al on Mastodon: https://mastodon.scot/@TheScotBot Email Us: https://harvestseason.club/contact/ Transcript (0:00:30) Al: Hello farmers and welcome to another episode of the harvest season my name is Al and we’re here today to talk about being sleepy. (0:00:36) Codey: And my name is Cody. Or zzzzzz. Z’s. Oh, you say zeds. How do you do you count sheep? Do you count sheep for zed? Like, does that make sense? (0:00:49) Al: Don’t make me laugh. (0:00:56) Al: What? (0:00:57) Al: Oh, isn’t sleep right? (0:00:58) Al: Yeah, okay. (0:00:59) Al: Right. (0:01:00) Al: I understand the concept of counting sleep, counting sleep, counting sheep. (0:01:04) Codey: Yeah, okay. (0:01:04) Al: I don’t personally count sheep because, as discussed previously on the podcast, I have (0:01:08) Al: aphantasia, so I can’t see the sheep to count them. (0:01:12) Al: And then it’s just, if I’m counting sheep, then I’m just counting. (0:01:16) Al: » It doesn’t really. (0:01:16) Codey: Wait, what’s aphantasia? (0:01:19) Al: Have we not talked about this, Cody? (0:01:21) Codey: I don’t really think so. There’s a word for that? Because same. (0:01:21) Al: I can’t see anything in my brain. (0:01:24) Al: Yeah. (0:01:27) Al: Oh, nice. (0:01:29) Codey: I have to explain this to my boyfriend all the time. Because he’s a very visually conceptualization (0:01:31) Al: Yeah, yeah, I know. (0:01:36) Codey: human. And I’m like, you can tell me to imagine a strawberry and I imagine a plague space. (0:01:42) Al: Yeah, yeah, I can I can tell you about a strawberry I (0:01:43) Codey: and I can’t see it. (0:01:46) Al: Can give you facts about a strawberry. I can’t see a strawberry can’t visualize one. Yeah (0:01:46) Codey: It’s not my brain, though. (0:01:50) Codey: OK. (0:01:51) Codey: Well, today I learned a Fantasian. (0:01:53) Al: So I can’t count sheep (0:01:55) Al: It was because I used to find this so confusing because I didn’t know that (0:01:59) Al: other people actually could see things in their head until like six years ago or something and so like when people would say like (0:02:00) Codey: Mm-hmm. (0:02:02) Codey: Mm-hmm. (0:02:05) Al: Counting sheep. I’d be like I don’t understand what you mean. I’m just lying in bed counting (0:02:10) Al: Like how is this? (0:02:10) Codey: Yeah, so that was my problem too, because like, I would just be counting and I would get bored after like, 17. (0:02:12) Al: Yeah. What am I meant to be? How is this counting sheep? I don’t understand. (0:02:22) Codey: I don’t know, I just get bored and then I’m like, I don’t know, I don’t know. Wow, okay. (0:02:25) Al: It’s like I’m meant to get a video up like that. I feel like that’s not ideal, you know? (0:02:30) Codey: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, awesome. Well, the lore continues. (0:02:32) Al: Anyway. This episode, we’re going to talk about honeygrove, a mobile bee. (0:02:42) Al: Before that, we have some news. The news is maybe a third of the news is from last week’s wholesome (0:02:53) Al: snack. So there’s that. Did you watch the wholesome snack? No. Fair enough. (0:02:54) Codey: Mm hmm. Yep, you’re no, because I saw it. And then I asked you and you were like, that’s (0:03:04) Codey: pretty much what the news is from. And I was like, dope. And I moved on with my life. (0:03:07) Al: There’s some stuff probably that we won’t talk about, right? Because not all of it is cottage (0:03:10) Al: But yeah. (0:03:13) Al: The news is probably mostly filtered down to you, the stuff that matters anyway. (0:03:16) Codey: - Mm-hmm, correct. (0:03:18) Al: But first of all, Cody, what have you been up to? (0:03:22) Codey: I went to PAX Unplugged two weekends ago now, I think. (0:03:28) Al: What is PAX unplugged? Because I keep hearing you mention it, and I realized I just assumed (0:03:32) Codey: Okay. (0:03:33) Al: it was just like PAX, but presumably it’s a different thing. Yes. Yes. I think there’s (0:03:36) Codey: You know what PAX is, right? (0:03:38) Codey: Okay, so there’s PAX in like the different regions (0:03:43) Codey: of America or whatever. (0:03:44) Codey: Packs unpl– (0:03:46) Al: one in Australia as well, but be that as it may. (0:03:47) Codey: Ooh, OK. (0:03:49) Codey: It’s in different regions. (0:03:51) Codey: Packs unplugged is not video games. (0:03:54) Codey: It’s the type of games that you do, (0:03:57) Codey: like board games, card games, stuff like that. (0:04:00) Codey: So it’s an entire convention that (0:04:02) Codey: is just dedicated to those tabletop games and all of that. (0:04:08) Codey: So there is basically a huge expo hall. (0:04:11) Codey: It’s downtown in Philadelphia, in Pennsylvania. (0:04:14) Codey: and it has a huge (0:04:16) Codey: expo hall and a huge like thousands of tables where you can sit and just play games with your (0:04:22) Codey: friends. You can bring your own games. There’s spaces where you can buy games. They have different (0:04:27) Codey: libraries that you can like rent game. Like you check it out using your badge. And then you can (0:04:35) Codey: play like a game that you might have wanted to play for a really long time but haven’t had access to. (0:04:41) Codey: Or like Jeff and I, I would pick a game, we’d play it, and then I’d be like okay go turn it (0:04:46) Codey: and pick your own game. And we would just do that just to like what game looks interesting to you. (0:04:51) Codey: Okay let me go pick a game that looks interesting to me. And now we have games that we want to buy (0:04:57) Codey: for when he moves here. So yeah so it’s just this huge convention for that. I mostly went to meet (0:05:05) Codey: up with friends that live across the country and we’re converging upon this location since it’s (0:05:11) Codey: only like three hours from me. Um, I got to stay in. (0:05:16) Codey: Um, a friend’s, um, spare room. Thank you, James. Um, so I didn’t have to pay hotel. (0:05:25) Codey: I literally just had to pay for the tickets and then parking. I mean, and parking could have been (0:05:30) Codey: expensive, but it was only, it was not as expensive as I thought it was. But yeah, there was a lot of (0:05:34) Codey: different things like that. Um, and just got to play a bunch of games. And one game that we saw, (0:05:43) Codey: so many people like board games that we saw so many people walking around. (0:05:46) Codey: This is a huge board game. It was called Slay the Spire and we started talking about it and about how apparently it’s not. It didn’t start out as like a board slash card game. It was a game game like a video game. (0:05:57) Al: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it’s like it’s uh, uh, what’s the word I’m looking for? Um, yeah, but it’s, uh, it’s a real roguelite deck building game. It’s like people quite often will compare other roguelites to it to be like, oh, it’s like, it’s like Slay the Spire Bot, sort of thing. (0:06:02) Codey: It’s a deck building game. (0:06:12) Codey: Oh, okay. Okay. Uh, well, yeah. So because of that, uh, I was like, huh, I wonder what (0:06:23) Codey: Slay the Spire is and like how different it is. And so I went to Game Pass on Xbox and it is (0:06:30) Codey: available on Game Pass. So I have now played Slay the Spire video game and I am horribly (0:06:36) Codey: offended, Al, that you are pulling me from that game right now. Um, I can’t (0:06:42) Codey: could be playing that right now, but I have to focus on this. So I’m not. So instead I’m (0:06:45) Codey: playing Honey Grove. Um, yeah, that’s the other game I’ve been playing is Honey Grove. (0:06:51) Codey: Um, yeah. What about you? What have you been up to? (0:06:52) Al: Cool. So like the other episodes that you have heard and are going to hear listeners, (0:07:01) Al: my brain is confused. So I’m going to talk about one specific game in this episode, (0:07:05) Al: and that is Zelda. I think I talked about that in the last episode as well, (0:07:09) Al: but I have finished Zelda Echoes of Wisdom now. And I think I can safely say that I did enjoy the (0:07:12) Codey: Mm-hmm (0:07:17) Al: game. But I feel like it falls to- (0:07:18) Codey: Okay, nope (0:07:23) Al: on to the fact that you have Link’s abilities, like you can actually go around and use your sword, (0:07:31) Al: I think makes a lot of the boss fights just waste some time and then turn into Link and (0:07:40) Al: kill it sort of thing. And because it’s just like traditional bosses, like the bosses aren’t (0:07:41) Codey: Right, right (0:07:47) Al: more complicated versions of the other puzzles. They’re just standard Zelda bosses. (0:07:53) Al: And I get that the idea is this is Link’s world and you’re doing things that Link would be doing (0:07:58) Al: if he was there sort of thing, but it still just feels like they kind of gave up on the bosses and (0:08:04) Al: they couldn’t figure out a good way to design bosses that worked well for Zelda’s powers. (0:08:09) Al: So it feels like that didn’t feel great, right? Especially as Link’s powers, I don’t know if (0:08:16) Al: you’re aware of this code, you gain them part of the way into the game, but you can only use them (0:08:23) Al: so you’re also like really stressed while being Link, right? You like turn into this weird (0:08:28) Al: shadowy version of Link because any second you’re in Link’s powers. Not like it doesn’t go down (0:08:35) Al: based on how much you use your sword or whatever, it goes down purely based on the time that you are (0:08:40) Al: as Link. Every second you’re Link is stressful because you’re like, oh no, should I be turning (0:08:45) Al: this off now or do I need to keep it on, you know, these sorts of things. So I just, I didn’t end, (0:08:50) Al: I didn’t have fun with the bosses. (0:08:52) Al: And the puzzles at the beginning were fun, but the puzzles in the middle and the end (0:08:59) Al: were basically just the same thing. (0:09:01) Al: So you just ended up like the puzzles were like, Oh, you have to get up high. (0:09:05) Al: So you’re, you’re just doing the same thing again. (0:09:08) Al: Right. (0:09:09) Al: So it’s like, Oh, I know how to get up high. (0:09:10) Al: I can do that. (0:09:11) Al: Right. (0:09:12) Al: And they didn’t, there was like a couple of other types of puzzles that they had, but (0:09:17) Al: they never really felt like they were challenging you in a different way, or even. (0:09:22) Codey: Mm-hmm. (0:09:22) Al: Just harder in the same way. (0:09:24) Al: It was just, Oh, here, here’s again, the same thing. (0:09:31) Al: And it just felt like time and doing things rather than actually playing the game. (0:09:39) Al: Like more, cause most games, like they start off easy and they introduce you to a few mechanics (0:09:42) Al: and then they get harder and they introduce you to more mechanics. (0:09:45) Al: And then by the end, you’re using all of the different mechanics that you’ve learned and (0:09:49) Al: all the different skills you’ve gained. (0:09:51) Al: and. (0:09:52) Al: This one, it felt like if you had done the first area, and say you could go to the (0:10:01) Al: final area straight after that, which you can’t, because it’s not fully accessible in (0:10:05) Al: that sort of way. You have to go through the story to get to the end. But if you could (0:10:10) Al: go to the last area, the only thing that would be standing in their way is like health, right? (0:10:16) Al: Like you know everything and you have everything and you don’t really, and if you’re good at (0:10:20) Al: you’re doing, you could do that. And yes, sure, that might. (0:10:23) Al: Be fun in some ways, but it didn’t feel fun in this case. Cause this was like, (0:10:27) Al: it’s meant to be a puzzle game, right? And puzzle games are meant to be different. Like it’s not (0:10:34) Al: just like, if you just had a puzzle game, that was the exact same puzzle over and over and over (0:10:37) Al: again, not puzzle type, but the exact same puzzle, right? Like every five puzzles, it was that same (0:10:43) Al: pattern that wouldn’t be fun. Right. So yeah, I didn’t, I enjoyed it enough to keep, to finish it (0:10:50) Al: off, but more in the case of like, I feel. (0:10:52) Al: Like I’m close enough, I may as well finish this, rather than I really want to get to the end. (0:10:57) Al: Like was the case with Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom. (0:11:02) Al: So it’s a fun idea and it’s implemented great at the beginning, but yeah, (0:11:06) Al: just it falls off a cliff quite quickly, I think. (0:11:09) Codey: That’s unfortunate, but maybe they can innovate it in the future. (0:11:13) Al: Maybe, maybe, we’ll see. (0:11:16) Al: Yeah, I think that’s everything that I’ve been up to that I’m going to talk about just now. (0:11:20) Al: So now we’re going to talk about the news. (0:11:22) Al: So as mentioned, some of the news from today is from the Wholesome Snack Game Awards edition, (0:11:33) Al: which I always find it funny that they do it in collaboration with the Game Awards, (0:11:38) Al: because it happens three days before the Game Awards. And so it’s like, is it Game Awards, (0:11:42) Al: or is it just like, they’re just like a fancy ad, right? It’s sponsored by the Game Awards. (0:11:46) Codey: Yeah. (0:11:51) Al: And like, fair enough, I know you- (0:11:52) Al: want money. But like, come on, anyway, whatever. We’re not going to talk about specific things (0:12:01) Al: about the wholesome snack or like go through it like sometimes we do. We’re just going (0:12:06) Al: to, we’re just going to talk about the news and some of them will be from the wholesome (0:12:09) Al: snack. So if you really care, I will obviously link the wholesome snack in the show notes (0:12:14) Al: is linked in last week’s episode as well. You can go and watch it if you really want. (0:12:19) Al: All right, first of all, the stardew value. (0:12:22) Al: It looks like most of the new dates now are on sale. There’s a few that are coming soon in (0:12:42) Al: Australia. But yeah, if you haven’t managed to get a ticket, go check. There might be another (0:12:47) Al: date for you. There is a second date in Scotland now. Wild. (0:12:53) Al: Which is good because it’s almost sold out the one night that I booked for. (0:12:59) Al: It’s in the same place. The same, what’s it called, concert hall. Yeah, venue. (0:13:07) Al: But yeah, so go look. Next we have Pixel Shire. It’s been delayed until 2025. (0:13:15) Al: I think we’re nearly done with delays. I have like two things left on my list that say they’re (0:13:20) Al: they’re coming out this year. (0:13:22) Codey: What are they? (0:13:22) Al: Oh wait garden trails that did come out didn’t it because that was two days ago. (0:13:26) Al: So we’re down to one which is SunKissed City. I haven’t seen anything about that. (0:13:34) Al: Oh no okay if you go to Steam it now says planned release date 2025 they just didn’t post anything (0:13:39) Al: about that. So sneaky, sneaky delay there. So that’s everything, nothing else is coming (0:13:45) Al: out this year, everything’s done. Huzzah no more delays. Speaking of releasing next year, (0:13:53) Al: Island Adventure have announced their release date and it’s super soon. It is the 30th of (0:13:58) Al: January which I was not expecting because when they so I think they announced earlier this year (0:14:02) Al: that it was coming to console and so Switch, PlayStation, and Steam they announced it was (0:14:08) Al: coming in 2025 and I was like oh probably like a summer release or something no no end of January. (0:14:14) Al: So if you have been looking forward to playing this and you either didn’t want to play it on (0:14:18) Al: a phone or tablet or you didn’t want to get Apple Arcade. Here you go. (0:14:22) Al: It’s coming to Switch. Go get it. In just over a month. (0:14:28) Codey: Yeah, I honestly hadn’t really looked at it. (0:14:31) Codey: I think I listened, half listened to the episode, (0:14:34) Codey: but I watched this trailer and I was like, (0:14:39) Codey: oh, oh, wow, okay. (0:14:41) Codey: Like this is more than just like Hello Kitty (0:14:44) Codey: meets Animal Crossing. (0:14:45) Al: Mm-hmm. (0:14:45) Codey: Like I feel like they basically like made it more, (0:14:50) Al: It’s an adventure game. (0:14:52) Codey: it really is. (0:14:53) Codey: It like has the look of Animal Crossing (0:14:55) Codey: and like, I loved looking at like (0:14:56) Codey: how you can decorate your houses (0:14:59) Codey: and the other stuff you can do with the other characters, (0:15:00) Codey: but then they were like climbing a mountain (0:15:04) Codey: and underwater and like all, I was like, oh, okay. (0:15:08) Codey: So, (0:15:09) Al: And it feels really open. So in the trailer, you see five different areas. A lot of those (0:15:17) Al: areas you can get there straight away if you try hard. It’s not super easy to, but you can. (0:15:24) Al: The exploration is really detailed. You can jump up areas and try and climb areas, and you can only (0:15:32) Al: have a certain amount of stamina, but you can figure out other ways to get up in different… (0:15:37) Al: It’s really expansive. (0:15:39) Al: So you can’t get underwater until you’ve unlocked that, and there’s like another area (0:15:44) Al: that you can’t get to until you’ve progressed the story, but like the volcano and stuff (0:15:49) Al: like that, you can just try and figure out your way there. (0:15:53) Codey: Yeah, it looked really interesting. (0:15:57) Codey: I might have to give it a shot around that time I don’t know what’s going to cost but yeah. (0:16:03) Al: a good question. I don’t know if they’ve announced that information. I played it on Apple Arcade (0:16:07) Codey: Did you when you, you played early access or demo. (0:16:12) Al: because that was what it was on when it first came out. Regular price is, oh wait, is that (0:16:20) Al: not a… No, that’s not. That’s a different thing. I was about to give you an incorrect (0:16:25) Al: phrase. I don’t think they’ve announced. I can… (0:16:25) Codey: I was liking what it sounded like though. (0:16:32) Codey: Okay, I would like it to be around $30. (0:16:33) Al: That would feel good. That would feel good. Yeah, the only thing I can see is Play Asia (0:16:34) Codey: I doubt it’s going to be that low, but I can see how they would just be like 60 bucks. (0:16:45) Al: have it listed, but obviously they’re just assuming, I think, they’ll be able to get (0:16:48) Codey: Yeah. (0:16:50) Al: their hands on copies and I don’t think they have a confirmed price. They’re saying £60, (0:16:56) Codey: No. (0:16:57) Al: which would be $70. I don’t think there’s… I mean, obviously that would be inflated (0:16:58) Codey: No. (0:17:02) Al: because… (0:17:03) Al: they’re having to import it. (0:17:05) Al: Oh, they’re saying $60 for that. (0:17:07) Al: I don’t think it will be $60, surely, right? (0:17:10) Codey: I hope not. (0:17:11) Codey: If it is, then there goes my hope of playing it. (0:17:15) Codey: Unless it’s actually really not that popular, (0:17:21) Codey: and then I can go to GameStop two weeks later, (0:17:23) Codey: and it’ll be lower priced. (0:17:25) Codey: But we’ll see. (0:17:27) Codey: Cool. (0:17:28) Al: There’s a new trailer as well, which I’ll link in the show notes. (0:17:32) Al: Rusty’s retirement have released their winter update. (0:17:36) Codey: It’s so cute. (0:17:36) Al: So you want the snow, there you go. (0:17:40) Codey: Well, so it’s the snow, but it’s also you get– (0:17:43) Codey: there’s deer that run around in your thing now. (0:17:47) Codey: You make all these Christmas decorations. (0:17:50) Al: I wasn’t just, I wasn’t about, yeah, I wasn’t pretending it was just, no, I was about to (0:17:54) Al: explain more just to me, just to make it clear. What I quite, what I like about this is it appears (0:17:56) Codey: There’s dogs, Al. There’s dogs. (0:18:02) Al: to be a different map that is the wintery map. And I like that because one, it implies that it’s (0:18:06) Codey: Uh-huh. (0:18:06) Codey: Mm-hmm. (0:18:08) Al: going to like stick around. And two, I just, I’m never a huge fan when they’re like, when games (0:18:14) Al: are like, oh, here’s our winter event. And then it’s like, the game is now winter. And I’m like, (0:18:19) Al: I get that and I know. (0:18:20) Al: But artificially restricting me on that doesn’t feel great. (0:18:27) Al: Obviously I’m in the Northern Hemisphere, but maybe Southern Hemisphere people want (0:18:31) Al: to flip it around and do it in their actual winter. I like having the flexibility for that. (0:18:38) Al: So it just being a separate map is a fun way to do it. (0:18:42) Codey: Yeah, I really liked the dogs and cats too, and how they’ll either sleep or (0:18:46) Codey: they’ll just follow you around, or they’ll help harvesting with harvesting the crops. (0:18:51) Codey: Like the dog just kind of like trots up to some wheat and takes it and clips it (0:18:55) Codey: in the house and then just wags its tail. (0:18:59) Codey: It’s so cute. (0:19:00) Al: Looks like a pretty meaty update. (0:19:03) Codey: The characters now talk to each other if they’re bored. (0:19:07) Codey: It’s so cute. (0:19:08) Al: So that’s out now. (0:19:09) Codey: Yep. (0:19:09) Al: Go get it. (0:19:10) Codey: Yep. (0:19:11) Codey: No, well, it’s, it’s, I think it’s just part of. (0:19:13) Codey: This is the base game. (0:19:15) Codey: Oh, yeah. (0:19:15) Al: Yeah, I know. (0:19:16) Al: But people still need to update the game. (0:19:19) Codey: Yeah, correct. (0:19:22) Al: Next, we have the Creative Corners (0:19:23) Al: update for Go Go Town. (0:19:25) Al: That is also out now. (0:19:27) Al: And the main feature is that it adds player housing. (0:19:31) Al: Obviously, you didn’t have a space for your own. (0:19:33) Al: Now, you do. (0:19:34) Al: You have a space for your own. (0:19:36) Al: You can purchase the house from Tier 1 in the tech tree, (0:19:40) Al: which is basically unlocked from the start. (0:19:43) Al: And there’s a whole bunch of props (0:19:45) Al: and what they call doodads, a new type of buildable object. (0:19:49) Al: Doodads are any number of objects (0:19:51) Al: that can be placed on surfaces, walls, or floors. (0:19:56) Codey: It has a lot. I mean, you can pick your color palette like on an actual color wheel instead of like buying (0:20:02) Codey: You have black or blue or purple or whatever. Like you can just straight up pick the color you want (0:20:08) Codey: um (0:20:09) Codey: My biggest thing for them in this trailer is they have singing wall fish. Did you ever have those fish? (0:20:16) Al: I never had one, but I was aware of it. It was all over contemporary media, shall we say. (0:20:22) Codey: Yeah, so I saw that and I loved it. And then there was a (0:20:26) Codey: trailer. There’s like a pentagram on the floor and (0:20:29) Codey: there’s candles around it. (0:20:32) Al: The funny thing is it’s not like an actual pentagram either. It looks like this universe’s (0:20:35) Al: version of a pentagram. A completely normal decor. You can get a murder outline. (0:20:36) Codey: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is, you know what it is. Like you (0:20:46) Codey: can’t get exactly you can get a murder outline. Yeah. (0:20:50) Al: It’s very expansive. There’s a lot of stuff here. Next we have the Mika and the Witches (0:20:57) Al: Mountain update. Apparently I’ve written Mika and the Witches update. (0:21:03) Codey: It’s the sequel. (0:21:08) Al: So this is the second content update. Breaking News, they’ve announced that there’s a third (0:21:14) Al: update so they haven’t put everything that they said was going to be in the second update in this (0:21:18) Al: update. They’ve released this one early. And then they’re (0:21:20) Al: going to have a third update coming. So, buh-buh-buh. (0:21:22) Codey: - I just, in this event, like news press, they say, (0:21:27) Codey: the roadmap has suffered a slight modification, (0:21:30) Codey: but we can explain, we’ve received many messages. (0:21:30) Al: It’s such a weird. (0:21:33) Codey: So now there’s another update. (0:21:35) Codey: And it’s just like, they make it seem like it’s this, (0:21:38) Codey: like, oh no, we’re so sorry. (0:21:40) Codey: We have to confess that we’re sorry. (0:21:43) Al: Yeah, we’re so sorry that we’re giving you another update with more things that people (0:21:43) Codey: And it’s just like, this is a good, more stuff. (0:21:52) Al: have suggested. (0:21:53) Codey: - Yeah, yeah, it was interesting, but, yeah. (0:21:55) Al: How dare you! (0:21:58) Codey: It was interesting, but yep. (0:22:01) Al: Keep on going with the early access tag for some reason. (0:22:03) Al: I still don’t understand why this game is early access. (0:22:06) Al: You can update your game without it being early access, I mean, look at Rusty’s retirement. (0:22:10) Codey: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. (0:22:11) Al: And it’s not like Mika feels like an incomple– (0:22:14) Codey: Yep. (0:22:14) Al: It feels like a reasonably small game, but small games are complete, right? (0:22:19) Al: Like it’s like saying oh this film was only 70 minutes long, that makes it not a film, (0:22:25) Al: because it’s incomplete. And you’re like no no, it tells a complete story, it is a complete thing. (0:22:30) Codey: Mm-hmm. There’s just a, yeah, there’s just another. (0:22:31) Al: Just because they do a sequel later on doesn’t mean it’s like what are you doing? Or like yeah (0:22:35) Al: there’s like a TV show that they do afterwards, or there’s deleted scenes, like it doesn’t make (0:22:39) Al: it not a complete film. What are you talking about? (0:22:42) Codey: And all Marvel movies are now just early access copies. (0:22:53) Al: So this content update brings the Phishing minigame. (0:22:57) Al: It brings a minimap to the game, so that’s nice. (0:23:01) Al: I did miss having that. (0:23:04) Al: I would have very much enjoyed that for the main story. (0:23:07) Al: And a new language, Philencian, is a very specific language. (0:23:13) Al: Is it? (0:23:14) Codey: I think that’s where they’re from. (0:23:15) Codey: I think so because they say at the bottom had to include (0:23:15) Al: Oh, it does say, yeah, we’re very, okay, yeah, we are very proud of our land and language. (0:23:23) Codey: Valencian. (0:23:24) Codey: Yep. (0:23:24) Codey: Yep. (0:23:24) Al: Fair enough. (0:23:25) Codey: Even so, we know that very few people will play in this (0:23:25) Al: That makes sense. (0:23:26) Al: I just thought it was like, are they going to go through all the small European languages? (0:23:29) Al: Are we going to get Scots in there? (0:23:33) Codey: language, but we’re proud of it. (0:23:35) Al: I guess it’s weird that they didn’t, if they are from Valencia, and presumably at least (0:23:39) Al: one of them speaks full engine, right, presumably. Weird that they’ve (0:23:43) Al: didn’t add that at the beginning because they had language support, and adding a translation (0:23:50) Al: is not a huge job for someone that speaks the language that it’s in and the language (0:23:58) Al: they’re translating to. It’s not like, I mean, it depends on how much text it is, obviously, (0:24:02) Al: but it’s not like you’re talking months and months. It just seems weird that it would (0:24:06) Al: take to the second update to add that. I guess maybe they just prioritise it. Just feels (0:24:10) Al: funny to me. Anyway. (0:24:12) Codey: Mm-hmm. The third one is coming out in early 2025. (0:24:13) Al: Yep. And that will add dungeons or something? I don’t know what to make of that, but dungeons. (0:24:18) Codey: Mm-hmm. Yeah, that’s what they said. (0:24:26) Al: We’ll see. Speaking of updates, one lonely outpost have announced their Act 2 update, (0:24:26) Codey: Ungeons. (0:24:38) Codey: Mm-hmm. And they specifically have this, like, warning triangle, like, alert sign, (0:24:44) Codey: and it says that it’s recommended that you start a new save. (0:24:48) Al: So I think the Warning Triangle feels unnecessary, I think it’s just to drag attention to it. (0:24:54) Codey: I know. (0:24:54) Al: I think they’ve recommended that because there’s a lot of updates that you would only (0:24:58) Al: experience early game. (0:25:00) Al: And so if you want to experience it to its full, then you would best to… (0:25:05) Al: I don’t think it’s all like, “Oh, things won’t work properly,” or anything like that. (0:25:08) Codey: Okay, okay. That makes sense. (0:25:10) Al: It’s like what Concerned Ape said about Stardew 1.6, it’s like, “You can keep going and it’s (0:25:14) Al: fine. (0:25:15) Al: you’ll just miss a bunch because they’re really early on. (0:25:18) Al: You know, it’s like how if you started 1.5 with you already fishing 10, then you’re (0:25:27) Al: never going to experience the starter rod, right? (0:25:30) Al: Because that’s something that they added in that update that doesn’t make any sense unless (0:25:35) Al: you are right at the beginning of the game. (0:25:36) Codey: Mm-hmm (0:25:37) Al: That sort of stuff. (0:25:38) Al: So I wouldn’t, yeah, I wouldn’t worry about it. (0:25:41) Codey: Okay, cool (0:25:42) Al: Yes, it brings marriage, which I guess makes sense in a colony. (0:25:48) Al: New characters, quests and maps, there are nine eligible characters that you can marry. (0:26:01) Al: I think the five are part of those nine. (0:26:06) Al: I’m not 100% sure though. (0:26:07) Codey: Mm-hmm. I think it is, yeah. (0:26:10) Al: They’ve also added to teleportation, so fast travel, which is cool. (0:26:14) Al: There’s not a huge number of God school games that have that. (0:26:16) Al: I know Carl Island has it. (0:26:18) Codey: Mm hmm. Doesn’t start to have it, but you have to use the totems. (0:26:18) Al: Can’t think of another. Yeah, I guess it’s not, it’s very limited and it’s basically like (0:26:26) Codey: But. But like, you have to constantly have the total, like, (0:26:27) Al: it’s okay. Fine. Technically. Yeah, it does. It does have a yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. (0:26:32) Codey: it’s not just go up to a thing and just get like whooshed. (0:26:36) Codey: Yeah, it’s a different. Yeah. (0:26:36) Al: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I like the, the, the rod that you can carry around and start you that (0:26:43) Al: always takes you to your house. That I find very useful because it’s like you just hold it. (0:26:48) Al: But with the other ones, the, the, the consumable totems, I just never bother using because you (0:26:54) Al: have to craft them and then use only one use. They do have the pillars that you can buy, (0:27:01) Al: I can’t remember what they’re called that transport you, but they are like so end game. (0:27:04) Al: They’re basically pointless because you’ve basically finished everything by that point. (0:27:06) Codey: Yeah, by the time you get them you don’t really need them anymore because you don’t need to go around. (0:27:12) Al: Exactly. It’s like woo. I can teleport to the mountain. It’s like, okay, fine. (0:27:18) Al: Going to the mountain. I don’t need to. The only one I ever really used was the, the desert one, (0:27:24) Al: because the advantage of that is you can get there earlier than the bus can get you there. (0:27:29) Al: Because you can, you can teleport anytime so you can wake up and go straight there and have more (0:27:33) Al: time in skull cavern. But again, you, you only get that really late on. So also changes to seasons (0:27:44) Al: and weather and gene splicing. (0:27:47) Codey: Yeah, I looked at that and I was like, what, uh, and it says you experiment with a common, (0:27:54) Codey: so you, by doing it, you create like five new things that you can plant and you experiment (0:27:59) Codey: with combinations of seeds, fish and insects. (0:28:05) Codey: So what you take a seed and you’re just like, I’m gonna give it insect mandibles now, or (0:28:11) Codey: like, I’m gonna take this genetic, but I mean, I guess the scientist in me is like, yeah, (0:28:17) Codey: that’s how it works. (0:28:18) Codey: Like it does. (0:28:20) Codey: There are actually things that plants or insects will take from each other, but to like make (0:28:24) Codey: a new thing or like have a new adaptation, but like, I don’t think it works the way that (0:28:30) Codey: it’s fine. (0:28:31) Codey: It’s a game. (0:28:32) Codey: I need to not look for reality. (0:28:35) Codey: I’m really curious what these new plants are like, is it a, an insect plant? (0:28:41) Codey: Like, does it move? (0:28:42) Al: Everyone wants an insect plant. Well, maybe you’ll have to play and find out. (0:28:44) Codey: I do. (0:28:45) Codey: No, that’s not happening. (0:28:47) Codey: Listeners, tell me what the new points are like. (0:28:52) Al: And a new festival. (0:28:55) Codey: Yeah, that too. (0:28:57) Al: Next we have Sugardew Island. They have announced their information on romance. I think this was (0:29:03) Al: their first public announcement that they’re going to have romance. I forget whether I’ve (0:29:06) Al: mentioned it or not because they mentioned it on Kickstarter like two months ago. (0:29:12) Al: The way they’re doing romance is weird. So there are four nature spirits, which I guess are like (0:29:18) Al: the like Harvest Sprites and stuff like that and other in Harvest Moon games and story seasons. (0:29:24) Al: Those four are the only romanceable characters in the game. It’s like they went, okay, romance, (0:29:29) Al: right? Well, let’s make it completely separate to the rest of the game. I find that a little bit (0:29:34) Al: weird. And also they all look like literal children. Like this isn’t like… (0:29:34) Codey: Mm-hmm. (0:29:38) Codey: Mm-hmm. (0:29:42) Al: Oh, they look a little bit young. No, they look like they’re eight. And I know that Harvest (0:29:46) Al: Sprites, like what are they called? Harvest spirits, is that what they’re called? (0:29:49) Codey: Yeah, I think so. (0:29:51) Al: So they’ll be like ancient, but they look like children, right? Like this is weird. (0:29:58) Codey: Yep. Yeah. It’s a, I didn’t, I don’t, I saw that. I also just like the, the idea that you come to an (0:30:06) Codey: area and there are like other humans around, but you’re like, no, no, I’m going to go. (0:30:14) Al: I want to romance the mythical creature that looks like a child. (0:30:20) Codey: Yeah. That’s a little, a little odd to me, but whatever. (0:30:27) Al: Yeah, yeah. (0:30:29) Codey: You do. You sure do. I, (0:30:32) Al: So they’re sticking with their March release date (0:30:37) Al: and they have announced, I don’t think the physical editions is a new information, (0:30:44) Codey: Mm. I just copy pasted it in there. (0:30:45) Al: Yeah, you confusing me by posting stuff not in your color. (0:30:49) Codey: Sorry, some, some, uh, insider baseball, y’all, I just copy pasted a bunch of stuff (0:30:53) Codey: that I was like, Ooh, this might be interesting to talk about. (0:30:54) Al: which normally, well normally it’s fine because you normally put all your stuff in purple (0:30:56) Codey: And Al then has to read it live and be like, that’s not, I don’t care. (0:31:04) Al: and so I see purple and I know it’s you whereas and if I see white I assume I’ve put it there (0:31:05) Codey: That’s true. (0:31:05) Codey: I didn’t. (0:31:09) Al: so I’m like oh this is a thing I’m going to read out. I’m guessing it’s not purple because (0:31:09) Codey: Okay. (0:31:09) Codey: Okay. (0:31:10) Codey: Okay. (0:31:12) Codey: Let me do my, I’m going to do all my. (0:31:14) Codey: Yeah, and I was lazy. (0:31:14) Codey: I was lazy. (0:31:15) Al: you copy pasted it so it kept whatever it was from the from the the website. Shocking. I mean (0:31:16) Codey: Let’s be honest. (0:31:16) Codey: I did. (0:31:18) Codey: Cause I want to, I want to look as if we have like multiple, if we had like three people, (0:31:23) Al: I mean, I never asked you to put stuff in practice. (0:31:25) Al: You just did that right from the first time we used this. (0:31:31) Codey: I want people to know that it was my stuff. (0:31:34) Al: It’s just nobody else ever does it. (0:31:36) Al: It’s only you that ever adds things into the news, (0:31:38) Al: which I’m not complaining about you doing, for the record. (0:31:42) Al: All right. (0:31:43) Al: Loftia have announced a new feature coming to their game, (0:31:48) Al: which is neighborhoods. (0:31:52) Al: Attach your personal floating island to others, (0:31:54) Al: farming a small, cozy community where you can host events, (0:31:56) Al: hang out, farm together, and more. (0:31:58) Al: So I’m guessing this is like online multiplayer. (0:32:02) Codey: I think it adds multiplayer is the vibe I’m getting. (0:32:04) Al: Yeah, yeah, so presumably the whole neighborhoods thing is just like when you connect online, (0:32:12) Al: the other islands come and join yours and then you can walk to their island because Loftia is a (0:32:18) Al: floating island based game. And presumably when you’re offline, they disappear and it’s just your (0:32:20) Codey: - Mm-hmm. (0:32:24) Al: floating island. So I’ve been keeping an eye on this game for a while. I think it’s interesting (0:32:32) Al: licking. Uh, yeah. (0:32:35) Al: This is a nice addition to it. It’s, it’s the, the animal crossing, uh, (0:32:41) Al: multiplayer rather than the Stardew multiplayer, but connecting your islands together means that (0:32:48) Al: you can go to any of the islands that you connect to go together rather than with animal crossing. (0:32:53) Al: It’s like, we’re all going to this person’s island and you, you do that. Whereas here it’s let’s join (0:32:59) Al: our islands together and we can both see both of our islands at the same time. That’s a cool change. (0:33:04) Codey: Yeah, I like the idea of going and mucking about on your island and ruining things while you and Kevin and Johnny are like off doing something actually useful. (0:33:11) Al: Oh dear, don’t multi-play with code. (0:33:15) Codey: And me just like putting B. (0:33:21) Codey: Me just putting like B graffiti all over. Yep. (0:33:28) Al: and that’s all the game updates the game news we also have two new games announced one of which (0:33:36) Al: i’m a little bit sad that kevin isn’t here to actually revel in his prediction but we do have (0:33:42) Al: a new wildflowers game wild society which by the way fantastic name love it and this is (0:33:48) Codey: Yep (0:33:50) Al: I believe a prequel it is a what they call period piece which I just hate the term because all (0:33:51) Codey: It is yeah (0:33:58) Al: means is in the past um uh (0:34:02) Codey: I mean don’t don’t they ever I think I feel like they only use period piece to talk about like Victorian or Renaissance past like I wouldn’t call something that goes to like cave and times like a period piece. (0:34:12) Al: Nope, nope, no, no. If it’s set in the 90s, it’s a period piece. If it’s set in the 1100s, (0:34:18) Al: it’s a period piece technically. So the definition of a period piece is a work of art, literature, (0:34:23) Al: film, music, or furniture that evokes a historical period. It can be anything. (0:34:28) Codey: He was you were ready (0:34:30) Al: I was ready, yeah. Like, I think the idea is that it’s very clear that it’s set then. So like, (0:34:36) Al: say something like Madam Webb, which is based in the 90s. (0:34:42) Al: But it’s not like so very clearly based in the 90s, right? Like it’s not, we are making this so (0:34:48) Al: obvious. It is because if you pay attention, it’s clear, but it’s not like they don’t shove it in (0:34:53) Al: your face. Whereas if you take, what is that one that people like from Netflix, the sexy one? (0:35:02) Al: Bridgerton. If you take Bridgerton, it’s like very clear it’s set in a specific time period. (0:35:08) Al: But if you take like, for example, I watched our (0:35:12) Al: A time travel slasher film a few months ago, which is almost entirely set in the ’90s, (0:35:14) Codey: Okay. (0:35:18) Al: and because of the story, it’s very clearly set in the ’90s. And everything about it is (0:35:25) Al: trying to evoke the fact that it’s based in the ’90s. That’s a period piece. (0:35:30) Codey: Okay, I need to change my, yeah, (0:35:30) Al: So, yeah, that’s why I hate the term. [LAUGHS] (0:35:34) Codey: I need to change my brain, the rewiring of that term, (0:35:39) Codey: for sure. (0:35:40) Al: I mean, I do think it’s one of these things where it could be argued that because people (0:35:44) Al: mostly just use it for that sort of time period, then what, like 1700s, 1800s, that it’s morphing (0:35:50) Al: into meaning that. But I’m not going to let it happen. Anyway, step into the elegant heels (0:35:57) Al: of Vivian Wilde. Was she Wildflower’s character’s grandmother, I think? (0:36:08) Codey: That makes sense, though. Yeah. Yeah, I went back to the- (0:36:10) Al: So step into Elegant Hills of Vivian Wild, which socialite and host in period drama sim (0:36:19) Al: wild society. Build, run and customize your magical boarding house in turn of the century (0:36:24) Al: Fairhaven, host splendid events, expand your witchcraft and influence the top town. Who will (0:36:29) Al: you invite for tea? So I don’t think nothing says that this has farming as far as I can see. (0:36:38) Al: It’s it’s more kind of (0:36:40) Al: B&B style gameplay. So there’s a screenshot of them moving items around in your boarding house. (0:36:51) Al: So presumably your if you’re running the boarding house is going to be that’s going to be like the (0:36:55) Al: main gameplay. It’s mostly I think the trailer was entirely like pre-rendered story trailer type (0:37:03) Al: thing rather than gameplay and the Steam page has like four five screenshots. (0:37:10) Al: So we’re not seeing a huge amount it’s obviously the same graphical style as Wildflowers (0:37:17) Al: but yeah I mean I know that Kevin is very excited about this and it looks it looks fun. (0:37:23) Codey: You can perform a seance and then at the bottom it says whose spirits will you help with their unfinished business? (0:37:30) Al: Oh interesting, so that’s going to be like the overarching story thing rather than the mystery (0:37:35) Al: that is wildflowers. Yeah interesting yes because presumably you’re starting out as (0:37:37) Codey: Yeah, instead of, like, learning to be a whip. (0:37:44) Al: you are already a witch and I would assume that if because there is like spells and potions and (0:37:51) Al: stuff that you do in wildflowers presumably that stuff will all exist in this game. You’ll start (0:37:52) Codey: Mm-hmm (0:37:54) Codey: Yeah, yeah, but your character already knows them yeah (0:37:56) Al: off being able to do them. Yeah. And they see, say on the (0:38:01) Al: you’re learning new and that. And then obviously you’re running the boarding house as well. (0:38:05) Codey: Yeah, run the boarding house, have a host of parties, and run a (0:38:09) Codey: seance, and hopefully help a ghost to kill their cat revenge (0:38:13) Codey: with murder. (0:38:14) Al: Oh, I mean, that’s that’s one way to go with it. (0:38:17) Codey: I would love that. (0:38:18) Codey: Oh, you can also have a familiar of a cat or an otter and other (0:38:22) Al: Obviously. (0:38:24) Codey: things. So yeah, that’s what it says. Cats, cats to otters. I (0:38:24) Al: An otter, obviously, I mean, what else? (0:38:28) Al: Where does it say that? (0:38:29) Codey: want a familiar underneath the seance. I want (0:38:31) Al: Oh, yeah, (0:38:33) Al: I love that from cats to otters, like that is the entire spectrum of animals. (0:38:35) Codey: And that’s pretty, that’s pretty small spectrum. (0:38:39) Al: Yeah, it’s like from cats to water cats. (0:38:39) Codey: You just, you just listed pretty much. (0:38:44) Codey: I’m pretty sure, oh, okay, but no, yeah. (0:38:48) Codey: But they’re all in the family mammalian or the order class, class mammalian. (0:38:53) Codey: So they’re all mammals. (0:38:54) Al: They’re all mammals. (0:38:55) Al: Is that what you’re trying to say? (0:38:57) Codey: Yeah, and they’re all in the order, the order carnivora. (0:38:57) Al: Yeah. (0:38:59) Al: I’m translating for the listeners. (0:39:02) Al: Huh. (0:39:02) Codey: They’re all carnivores, but then they’re in two different families. (0:39:05) Codey: But yeah, give me a familiar, uh, Mantis. (0:39:12) Codey: I want to know. (0:39:12) Al: well, like the stick insect type thing. Yeah, I’m just like a praying mantis. Oh, yeah, yeah. (0:39:14) Codey: I want to, yeah, you don’t know what a Mantis is. (0:39:17) Codey: Oh, cause you guys don’t have them. (0:39:20) Codey: Yeah. (0:39:20) Codey: Like praying Mantis. (0:39:23) Codey: Um, no, I want a tarantula because I, we just got a new tarantula for our (0:39:27) Codey: insect zoo and I put her on my shoulder the other day and she just sat there (0:39:31) Codey: for like an hour and I want that in a familiar. (0:39:33) Al: I mean Tarantula feels like something that would work as a witch is familiar as well. (0:39:35) Codey: Yeah, praying nature is pretty cool though, or I just really like praying nature. (0:39:38) Al: Praying mantis, not so much. (0:39:43) Al: The other new game we have is a little rocket lab. (0:39:47) Al: Transform your childhood home as you build brilliant factories and forge lifelong friendships. (0:39:52) Al: Then reach for the skies and finally finish your family’s dream, your mother’s precious (0:39:58) Al: rocket ship. (0:39:59) Al: Roll up your sleeves. It turns out that saving this town really is (0:40:03) Al: rocket science. I think so but it’s also it you’re also individually you (0:40:05) Codey: Ha, ha, ha. (0:40:10) Codey: Is this just cozy factorial? (0:40:12) Codey: Thank you. (0:40:17) Al: playing a character like it’s not management style where you’re just like (0:40:22) Codey: Yeah. (0:40:25) Al: clicking and doing things like you are a character in the world who’s going and (0:40:28) Al: doing things, which I’ve talked about in previous episodes, I (0:40:33) Al: I’ve still not played a game like that, because there’s a bunch of games that are coming out soon (0:40:36) Al: that are like that style. And I feel like that might help feel less overwhelming than management (0:40:44) Codey: Mm hmm, yeah. (0:40:45) Al: games normally do. Yeah, it looks fun. The graphics are cute, kind of what, SNES style graphics. (0:40:54) Codey: I’d say that. Yeah. I mean, I just, I see that you build like the little conveyor belt (0:41:01) Codey: systems and you, like it, it looks very, it’s got that kind of like build a, an empire of (0:41:08) Al: Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what? Do you know what? I think that might actually really help me as well, (0:41:09) Codey: resource collection that factorial has, but then it also has like an RPG element and you’re (0:41:17) Al: because one of the reasons I’m not a huge fan of management games is it feels like they’re just, (0:41:21) Al: there’s no real goal other than build. Whereas here, your goal is to build a rocket. You’re (0:41:24) Codey: Yeah. (0:41:27) Al: fixing your rocket. So like that feels to me like I can set that as my goal and play until I get to (0:41:28) Codey: Yeah. Yeah. (0:41:33) Al: to that point and then finish that, you know, could help. (0:41:35) Codey: Well, in fact, Toria does that too, but like the goal once you launch the rocket, you like (0:41:42) Codey: win or whatever. (0:41:43) Codey: And then now with a new expansion, they have more, more to it, but it once you do that, (0:41:47) Codey: it’s like, okay, I sent game over. (0:41:53) Codey: That’s it. (0:41:54) Codey: Whereas this, it’s like, you get to build the RPG aspect of it and like the blueprints (0:42:02) Codey: are really cute. (0:42:03) Codey: your little dog follows you around, and yeah. (0:42:06) Al: Lots of the machines look super fun, like there’s a toaster grasscutter type looking thing, (0:42:12) Codey: Yeah, yeah, and it just cuts harvest hay for you. (0:42:14) Al: which you ride along on. (0:42:18) Al: Yeah, and there’s like a washing machine on tracks that I have no idea what it does. (0:42:23) Al: It’s just one screenshot of it. (0:42:24) Codey: Well, and in the, one of the screenshots, like, is it the one that’s no, (0:42:28) Codey: there is just a washing machine named scrubs who just walks around, (0:42:32) Codey: but his, his language is just like symbols. (0:42:32) Al: Oh, right. Okay. Gobble the gook. Yeah. Wingdings. Oh, you can throw a ball for your dog. So under (0:42:39) Codey: Yeah, it is a wing day. (0:42:42) Codey: So yeah. (0:42:48) Al: about this game, there’s like a gif of a bunch of different scenes, and one of them is throwing (0:42:50) Codey: okay okay i’m almost there i’m assuming oh my gosh I saw it that is very cute so yeah (0:43:03) Codey: this I mean this game looks really cute uh let me see oh it’s just gonna be windows (0:43:08) Codey: lame but that’s fine maybe by then i’ll have a seen dick (0:43:14) Al: Yeah, Steam Deck. (0:43:17) Codey: It has full controller support too for Xbox controllers. (0:43:19) Al: Uh, yeah, yeah, will have like, it’s all very, it’s, it’s funny when we say it, (0:43:20) Codey: » Right, right, coming soon. (0:43:24) Al: because it’s like, what is that? (0:43:26) Al: What is that? (0:43:27) Al: Yeah, coming soon has control control support. (0:43:30) Al: I’m like, are you finished the control support? (0:43:33) Al: Are you just saying that you will have it before you release? (0:43:37) Al: Or is that before our 1.0, like, will it be an early access? (0:43:40) Al: Like you just never know with developers nowadays, you know. (0:43:44) Codey: Well, so the developer is, it’s the, this is going to be their first thing. (0:43:48) Codey: Teenage astronauts. (0:43:49) Codey: I think this is their first thing. (0:43:51) Codey: And, but the publisher also published a let’s build a zoo. (0:43:55) Al: Mm-hmm. Yeah, they’re no more robots. They’re pretty big (0:43:58) Codey: Yep. (0:43:59) Al: publisher (0:44:00) Codey: Yep. (0:44:01) Codey: Looks cute. (0:44:01) Codey: I’m excited. (0:44:02) Codey: We’ll keep it on our radar. (0:44:05) Al: Absolutely, I’ve got it on my wishlist on Steam already (0:44:08) Al: - Thank you. (0:44:10) Codey: I told, I played factorial with my partner and I told him, I was like, oh my gosh, (0:44:14) Codey: there’s a cozy factorial coming out. And he was like, disgusting. Tell me more. (0:44:18) Al: Alright, that’s all of the news. We’re now going to jump into Honey Grove, which is a (0:44:22) Codey: Yeah. (0:44:30) Al: game we’ve been playing. So this is a mobile game. It is I would describe it as before we (0:44:36) Al: talk about the official description, which is you’ve put in there, I would describe it (0:44:38) Codey: - Right, right. (0:44:40) Al: as bees planting flowers and then making honey. (0:44:46) Codey: That sure is something that happens in this game. (0:44:48) Al: I mean it’s the core main game. There’s other parts to the game, but it feels like it’s (0:44:58) Al: the farming in Stardew. Yeah, you can do lots of other things and that’s fine, but it feels (0:45:05) Al: like without that nothing else would happen. (0:45:08) Codey: I mean, the honey part, the only reason you do the honey part is because you then use the honey for cooking. (0:45:14) Al: I see I didn’t, I’ve not really played this game a lot, Cody, do you want to talk about (0:45:18) Al: this game? (0:45:19) Al: The one thing that I, the one big thing, and this is actually the reason why I&rsquo

In this episode of Breaking Badness, we explore two fascinating cybersecurity stories. First, we delve into the unusual case of an ex-Disney employee who hacked menu systems, creating chaos in the happiest place on Earth. Next, we discuss Sophos' five-year-long battle with a determined group of attackers targeting their firewalls. Tune in as we break down the insider threat at Disney, the lessons learned from Sophos' transparency, and what it all means for the future of cybersecurity. Plus, don't miss our signature Gold, Guidance, and Grievances segment for unique insights and takeaways.

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Stephanie revisits the concept of "spiking"—a phase of exploration to determine the feasibility of a technical implementation or to address unknowns in feature requests—sharing her recent experiences with a legacy Rails application. Joël brings a different perspective by discussing his involvement with a client project that heavily utilizes the dry-rb suite of gems, highlighting the learning curve associated with adapting to new patterns and libraries. Joël used to be much more idealistic and has moved to be more pragmatic. Stephanie has moved the other way. So together, Stephanie and Joël engage in a philosophical discussion on being an idealistic versus a pragmatic programmer. They explore the concept of programming as a blend of science and art, where technical decisions are not only about solving problems but also about expressing ideas and building shared understandings within a team. Spike tasks episode (https://bikeshed.thoughtbot.com/414) dry-rb (https://dry-rb.org/) Working with Maybe talk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43eM4kNbb6c) Problem solving with maybe (https://thoughtbot.com/blog/problem-solving-with-maybe) Programming as Theory Building (https://pablo.rauzy.name/dev/naur1985programming.pdf) The Pragmatic Programmer (https://pragprog.com/titles/tpp20/the-pragmatic-programmer-20th-anniversary-edition/) Transcript:  JOËL: Hello and welcome to another episode of the Bike Shed, a weekly podcast from your friends at thoughtbot about developing great software. I'm Joël Quenneville. STEPHANIE: And I'm Stephanie Minn, and together, we're here to share a bit of what we've learned along the way. JOËL: So, Stephanie, what's new in your world? STEPHANIE: So, a few weeks ago, we did an episode on spiking in response to a listener question. And I wanted to kind of revisit that topic for a little bit because I've been doing a lot of spiking on my client project. And for those who are not familiar, the way that I understand or define spikes is kind of as an exploration phase to figure out if a technical implementation might work. Or if you have a feature request with some unknowns, you can spend some time-boxed spiking to figure out what those unknowns might be. And I'm working on your typical legacy Rails application [laughs]. And I think one thing that we talked about last time was this idea of, at what point does spiking end up being just working on the feature [laughs]? And I think that's especially true in an older codebase, where you kind of have to go down a few rabbit holes, maybe, just to even find out if something will trip you up down the line. And the way I approached that this time around was just, like, identifying the constraints and putting a little flag there for myself. Like, these were rabbit holes that I could go down, but, you know, towards the initial beginning phase of doing the spiking, I decided not to. I just kind of bookmarked it for later. And once I had identified the main constraints, that was when I was like, okay, like, what kind of solutions can I come up with for these constraints? And that actually then helped me kind of decide which ones we're pursuing a little bit more to get, like, the information I needed to ultimately make a decision about whether this was worth doing, right? It kind of kept me...I'm thinking about, you know, when you are bowling with those safety guards [laughs], it keeps your ball from just rolling into the gutter. I think it helped with not going too deep into places that I may or may not be super fruitful while also, I think, giving me enough information to have a more realistic understanding of, like, what this work would entail. JOËL: Would you say that this approach that you're taking is inspired or maybe informed by the conversation we had on the episode? STEPHANIE: I was especially interested in avoiding the kind of binary of like, no, we can't do this because the system just, you know, isn't able to support it, or it's just too...it would be too much work. That was something I was really, like you said, kind of inspired by after that conversation because I wanted to avoid that trap a little bit. And I think another really helpful framing was the idea of, like, okay, what would need to be done in order to get us to a place where this could be possible? And that's why I think identifying those constraints was important because they're not constraints forever. Like, we could do something about them if we really wanted to, so kind of avoiding the, like, it's not possible, right? And saying like, "It could be. Here's all the things that we need to do in order to make it possible." But I think that helped shift the conversation, especially with stakeholders and stuff, to be a little bit more realistic and collaborative. So, Joël, what's new in your world? JOËL: So, I'm also on a new client project, and a thing that's been really interesting in this codebase is that they've been using the dry-rb suite of gems pretty heavily. And I've seen a lot about the suite of gems. I've read about them. Interestingly, this is kind of the first time that I've been on a codebase that sort of uses them as a main pattern in the app. So, there's been a bit of a learning curve there, and it's been really interesting. STEPHANIE: This is exciting to me because I know you have a lot of functional programming background, also, so it's kind of surprising that you're only now, you know, using something that explicit from functional languages in Ruby. And I'm curious: what's the learning curve, if not the paradigm? Like, what are you kind of encountering? JOËL: I think there's a little bit of just the translation. How do these gems sort of approach this? So, they have to do a couple of, like, clever Ruby things to make some of these features work. Some of these also will have different method names, so a lot of just familiarizing myself with the libraries. Like, oh, well, this thing that I'm used to having called a particular thing has a slightly different name here or maybe not having all of the utilities. I was like, oh, how do we traverse with this particular library? Then you have to, like, look it up. So, it's a lot of like, how do I do this thing I know how to do in, let's say, Elm? How do I translate that into Ruby? But then, also, some of the interplay of how that works in code that also does some very kind of imperative side effecty things also written by a team that is getting used to the pattern. And so, you'll sort of see things where people are pulling things in, but maybe you don't fully understand the deeper underlying approach that's meant to be used. STEPHANIE: Have you noticed any use cases where the dry-rb patterns really shine in your application? JOËL: A thing that's nice is that I think it really forces you to think about your edge cases in a way that sometimes Ruby developers play very fast and loose with "Yeah, whatever, it will never be nil." Push to production immediately start getting NoMethodError in your bug tracker. I never do this, by the way, but you know. STEPHANIE: [laughs]. JOËL: Speaking from a friend's experience [laughs]. STEPHANIE: Asking for a friend, yeah [laughs]. JOËL: I think a thing that I've sort of had to figure out sort of every time I deal with these patterns in different languages is just the importance of good composition and good separation. Because you're adding these sort of wrapper context around things, if you're constantly wrapping and unwrapping, you're like, check things inside, and then do the next thing, and then unwrap again and branch and check and do the next thing, that code becomes really clunky in a way that you just sort of expect to do if you're just writing code in regular Ruby with a nil. But it doesn't really work with a dry-rb maybe or a result. So, the pattern that I have found that works really well is to extract sort of every operation that can be, let's say, that could fail so that it would give you a result back. Extract that out into its own separate function that will construct a success or a failure, and then have your sort of main code that wants to then do a bunch of these things together. All it does is use some of the dry-rb helper methods to compose all of these together, whether that's just some sort of, like, do notation, or binding, or fmap, or something like that, which allows you to have sort of individual chunks that can fail, and then one sort of aggregator piece of code that just finds a way to combine all of them nicely. And that avoids you having to do all this repetition. STEPHANIE: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. JOËL: It's a pattern, I think; I had to learn the hard way when I was working with Elm. Because if you're taking a potential nullable value and then you want to do things with it but then that potential operation is also nullable because the input was potentially null, and then that just sort of propagates all the way down the chain. So, my whole chain of functions now is doing checks for nullability. And in Ruby, I could just be like, no, I checked it in the first function. I can then just trust that it's not null down the chain. Elm doesn't do the like, trust me, bro. The compiler will force you to validate every time, and then the code just blows up, and it gets really painful. So, I had to start thinking about new models of thinking that would separate out code that actually needs to care and code that doesn't need to care about nullability. And I wrote an article about that. That turned into actually a conference talk as well. And these sort of ideas have served me really well at Elm. And I think these translate pretty well to dry-rb as well. That's something that I'm exploring, but the principles seem like they're not tied to a particular language. STEPHANIE: Yeah, and it's kind of cool that you experienced all of that in working with Elm, where a compiler was there to yell at you [laughs] and kind of forcing you to...I don't know if do the right thing is the right word, but kind of think in the way that it wants you to think. And I can see people who are coming from Ruby and starting to experiment with dry-rb maybe needing a bit of that since it's not built-in in the tooling, just in a recoder view or just in conversations among devs. JOËL: [inaudible 09:26] Beyond just the idea of wrapping your values and making sure you check them all the time, there are patterns that make that easier or more painful. And even in something like Elm, the compiler would yell at me would make sure I could not have a runtime error by forgetting to check for nullability. It did not prevent me from writing monstrosities of nested repeated conditionals checking if nil, if nil, if nil. That I had to figure out some sort of, like, higher-level patterns that play nicely with that kind of software. And I think these are things that people have to sort of encounter, feel the pain, feel the frustration, and then move into those better patterns after the fact. And sometimes that's not easy because it's not obvious why that's a valuable pattern to approach. STEPHANIE: Yeah, I agree completely. Speaking of following patterns and kind of arriving at maybe an ideal version of [chuckles], you know, what you'd like your code to do, you know, to build what you are looking to build [laughs]...this is my very poor attempt at a smooth transition that Joël [laughter] manages to be able to do [laughs] whenever we're trying to shift into the topic of the episode. Anyway, today, we were hoping to talk a little bit about this idea between being an idealistic programmer and a pragmatic programmer and the different journeys that we've each been on in arriving kind of how to balance the two. JOËL: Yeah, you know, I think neither of these are absolutes, right? It's a spectrum. You probably move around that spectrum from day to day, and then probably, like, more general trends over your career. But I'm curious, for you today, if you had to pick one of those labels, like, which sort of zone of the spectrum would you put yourself in? Do you think you're more idealistic or more pragmatic? STEPHANIE: I think I'm in a more of an idealistic zone right now. JOËL: Would you say you're kind of like middle trending idealistic or kind of, like, pretty far down the idealistic side? STEPHANIE: Middle trending idealistic. I like that way of describing it. I want to know where you are. And then I kind of wanted to try to take a step back and even define what that means for both of us. JOËL: Right, right. I think the way I'd probably describe myself is a recovering idealist. STEPHANIE: Oof. Yeah [laughs]. JOËL: I think there was a time where I was really idealistic. I really like knowing sort of underlying theory of software construction, broader patterns. By patterns here, I don't mean necessarily, like, you know, the Gang of Four, but just general sort of approaches that work well and using that to guide my work. But I've also been trending a lot more into the, like, pragmatic side of things in the past few years. STEPHANIE: So, could you kind of tell me a little bit about what does pragmatic mean for you and what does ideal mean for you? JOËL: So, I think the pragmatic side of me it's about delivering working software. If you're not shipping anything, you know, the most beautiful piece of art that you've created just warms your heart is useless. So, I think I'm sort of at the extreme end of pragmatism, right? It's all about shipping and shipping fast. And, in the end, that's generally the goal of software. On the more idealistic side, the sort of doing everything kind of perfect or by the book, or, you know, maybe in a way that brings you personal satisfaction, oftentimes, at the expense of shipping and vice versa. Sometimes shipping comes at the expense of writing absolutely terrible code, but, of course, you know, there's value in both. Shipping is what actually delivers value to your users, your company, yourself if you're using the software. But if you're not following patterns and things, you're often stuck in a really short-term thinking loop, where you are maybe delivering value today at the cost of being able to deliver value tomorrow or writing code that is unreadable or code that is difficult to collaborate on. So, more than just me shipping an individual feature, I've got to think about, while I'm working with a team, how can I help them be able to ship features or build on top of my work for tomorrow? So, that's sort of how I visualize the field. I'm curious what the words idealism and pragmatism mean to you. STEPHANIE: Yeah. I agree with you that pragmatism is, you know, this idea of delivering working software. And I think I have seen it very, you know, kind of condensed as, like, moving quickly, getting stuff out the door, basically, like, end result being, like, a thing that you can use, right? I think I've personally been reassessing that idea a lot because I'm kind of almost wondering like, well, what are we moving quickly for [laughs]? I sometimes have seen pragmatism just end there being like, okay, like, it's all about velocity. And then, I'm kind of stuck being like, well, if you write working software for, you know, completely the wrong thing, is that still pragmatic? I don't know. So, that's kind of where I'm at these days with–I'm feeling a little bit more suspect of pragmatism, at least wanting to make sure that, especially with the people that I'm working with day to day, that we're agreeing on what that means and what success means. And then, as for idealism, I think also, actually, I now have a little bit of duality in terms of how I understand that as well. One of them being, yes, definitely, like, by the book or, like, by the ideas that we've, you know, some very smart people [laughs] have figured out as, like, this is clean or good quality, or these are the patterns to, you know, make your code as, again, as clean, I don't know, kind of putting air quotes around that, as possible. And then, I actually like what you really said about code that warms your heart [laughs] that you feel, like, really moved by or, like, just excited about or inspired by because I think that can also be a little bit different from just following theories that other people have defined. The more I spend doing this stuff, the more I am convinced that writing software is actually a very creative practice. And that's something that I've, like, definitely had to balance with the pragmatism a bit more because there are days when it's just not coming [chuckles], you know, like, I just stare at a blank, new file. And I'm like, I can't even imagine what these classes would be because, like, that creative part of my brain just, like, isn't on that day. So, that's kind of where I'm sitting in terms of, like, what idealistic programming kind of seems to me. JOËL: There's definitely an element of programming that feels like self-expression, you know, there are parameters around that. And working with a team, you probably all sort of, like, move towards some average. But I would definitely say that there is some element of self-expression in coding. STEPHANIE: Yeah, 100%. Have you heard about this paper called Programming as Theory Building? JOËL: The name sounds vaguely familiar, but I can't place the main idea in my mind right now. STEPHANIE: It's, like, an academic-ish paper from the 80s. And I'll link to it in the show notes because I can't remember the author right now. But the idea is writing code is actually just one way of expressing a theory that we are building. In fact, that expression doesn't even....it's like, it's impossible for it to fully encapsulate everything that was involved in the building of the theory because every decision you make, you know, you decide what not to do as well, right? Like, all the things that you didn't encode in your application is still part of this theory, like stuff that you rejected in order to interpret and make abstract the things that you are translating from the quote, unquote "real world" into code. That really stuck with me because, in that sense, I love this idea that you can create your own little world, right? Like, you're developing it when you code. And that is something that gets lost a little bit when we're just focused on the pragmatic side of things. JOËL: Where things get tricky as well is that when you're working with a team, you're not just building your own little world. You're building a shared world with shared mental models, shared metaphors. That's where oftentimes it becomes important to make sure that the things that you are thinking about are expressed in a way that other people could read your code and then immediately pick up on what's happening. And that can be through things like documentation, code comments. It can also be through more rigorous data modeling. So, for example, I am a huge fan of value objects in general. I tend to not have raw numbers floating around in an app. I like to wrap them in some kind of class and say, "Hey, these numbers that are floating around they actually represent a thing," and I'll name that thing so that other people can get a sense that, oh, it is one of the moving parts of this app, and then here are the behaviors that we expect on it. And that is partly for sort of code correctness and things like that but also as a sort of way of communicating and a way of contributing to that shared reality that we're creating with the team in a way that if I just left a raw number, that would be almost, like, leaving something slightly undefined. Like, the number is there. It does a thing, but what it does is maybe a little bit more implied. I know in my mind that this is a dollar amount, and maybe there's even a comment above it that says, "Dollar amount." But it makes it a little bit harder for it to play in with everybody else's realities or view of the system than if it were its own object. STEPHANIE: Yeah, I like what you said about you're building a shared world with your fellow colleagues. And that helped explain to me why, as some people say, naming is the hardest part about building software because, yeah, like you said, even just saying you are wanting to make a method or class expressive. And we talked about how code is a way of expressing yourself. You could, like, name all your stuff in Wingdings [laughs], but we don't. I actually don't know if you could do that. But that was, for some reason, what I imagined. I was like, it's possible, and you could deliver software in complete gibberish [laughs]. JOËL: In theory, could you say that naming your variables as emoji is the most expressive way? Because now it's all emotions. STEPHANIE: A picture is worth a thousand words, as they say. JOËL: So, this variable is the frowny face, upside-down smile face. It doesn't get more expressive than that. STEPHANIE: At a former company, in our Slack workspace, I had a co-worker who loved to use the circus tent emoji to react to things. And, like, I'm convinced that no one really knew what it meant, but we also kind of knew what it meant. We were just like, oh yeah, that's the emoji that she uses to express amusement or, like, something a little bit ironic. And we all kind of figured it out [laughs] eventually. So, again, I do think it's possible. I bet someone has done, like, a creative experiment with writing an application in just emojis. This is now going to be some research I do after this episode [laughter]. JOËL: It is fun when you have, like, a teammate. You know they have the signature emoji that they respond to on things. STEPHANIE: Yep. Absolutely. So, you know, we kind of spent a little bit of time talking about idealism. I actually wanted to pull back to the idea of pragmatism because, in preparation for this episode, I also revisited my copy of The Pragmatic Programmer. Are you familiar with this book? Have you read it at all? JOËL: I have read it. It's been probably ten years. We did, I think, a book club at thoughtbot to go through the book. STEPHANIE: I was skimming the table of contents because I was curious about, again, that, like, definition of pragmatism. You and I had kind of talked about how it can be short-sighted. But what I was actually pretty impressed with, and I imagine this is why the book holds up, you know, after decades, is success for them also means being able to continue to deliver quality software. And that idea of continuity kind of implied, to me, that there was an aspect of, like, making sure the quality meets a certain threshold and, like, incorporating these theories and doing the best practices because they're thinking about success over time, right? Not just the success of this particular piece that you're delivering. JOËL: I would say most people in our industry are sort of balancing those two objectives, right? They're like, we want to have a decent velocity and ship things, but at the same time, we want to be able to keep delivering. We want a certain threshold of quality. In between those two objectives, there is a sea of trade-offs, and how you manage them are probably a little bit part of your personality as a developer and is probably also, to a certain extent, a function of your experience, learning sort of when to lean more into taking some shortcuts to ship faster and when to double down on certain practices that increase code quality, and what aspects of quality value more than others because not all forms of quote, unquote, "quality" are the same. I think a sort of source of danger, especially for newer developers, is you sort of start on almost, like, a hyper-pragmatic side of things because most people get into software because they want to build things. And the ultimate way to build is to ship, and then you sort of encounter problems where you realize, oh, this code is really clunky. It's harder and harder to ship. Let me learn some elements of code quality. Let's get better at my craft so that I can build software that has fewer bugs or that I can ship more consistently. And that's great. And then, you sort of run into some, like, broader sort of theories of programming: patterns, structures, things like that. And it becomes very easy to sort of blindly copy-paste that everywhere to the point where I think it's almost a bit of a meme, the, like, intermediate programmer who's read Clean Code or the Design Patterns book and is just now, like, applying these things blindly to every piece of code they encounter to the annoyance of the entire team. STEPHANIE: I think you just about described my trajectory [laughter], though hopefully, I was not so obnoxious about [laughs] it for my team having to deal with my, like, discovering [laughs] theories that have long been used. JOËL: I think we kind of all go through that journey to a certain extent, right? It's a little bit different for every one of us, but I think this is a journey that is really common for developers. STEPHANIE: Yeah. One thing I frequently think about a lot is how much I wished I had known some of that theory earlier. But I don't think I have an answer one way or another. It's like; I'm not sure if having that knowledge earlier really would have helped me because I've also definitely been in...I'm just thinking about, like, when I was in college in lectures trying to absorb theories that made no sense to me because I had no, like, practical experience to connect it to. It's almost, like, maybe there is, like, that perfect time [laughs] where it is the most valuable for what you're doing. And I don't know. I kind of believe that there is a way to bridge that gap. JOËL: I mean, now we're kind of getting into an element of pedagogy. Do you sort of teach the theory first, and then show how to apply it to problems? Or do you show problems and then introduce bits of theory to help people get unstuck and maybe then cap it off by like, oh, these, like, five different, like, techniques I showed you to, like, solve five different problems, turns out they all fit in some grand unified theory? And, like, here's how the five things you thought were five different techniques are actually the same technique viewed from five different perspectives. Let me blow your mind. STEPHANIE: That's a Joël approach [laughter] to teaching if I've ever heard one. JOËL: I'm a huge fan of that approach. Going back to some of the, like, the functional programming ideas, I think that's one that really connected for me. I struggled to learn things like monads, and functors, and things like that. And I think, in my mind, these two approaches is like the Haskell school of teaching and the Elm school of teaching. Haskell will sort of say, "Hey, let me teach you about this theory of monads and all these things, and then, we'll look at some ways where that can be applied practically." Whereas Elm will say, "No, you don't need to know about this. Let's look at some practical problems. Oh, you've got null values you need to check. Here's how you can, like, handle nullability in a safe way. Oh, you've got a bunch of HTTP requests that might resolve in random order, and you want to, like, deal with them when they all come back. Here's some tips on how you can do that." And then, you have three or four things, and then, eventually, it just sort of lets you say, "Wait a minute, all of these problems are sort of all the same, and it turns out they all fit in some unified theory." And then, the light bulb goes off, and you're like, "Ooh, so now when I'm dealing with unknown blobs of Jason trying to parse data out of them, I'll bet I can use the same techniques I used for chaining HTTP requests to dig multiple dependent pieces of JSON." STEPHANIE: Yeah. And that's so satisfying, right? It really is kind of leveling up in that Galaxy Brain meme sort of way. JOËL: Yeah. And that's maybe to a certain extent even a value of idealism because if you build your system in such a way that it follows some of these patterns, then insights and intuitions that people have in one part of your code can then carry to other parts of your code, and that's incredibly powerful. STEPHANIE: Yeah. And I almost wonder because you also mentioned kind of where you end up on the spectrum is a function of your experience. I wonder if us, you know, being consultants and seeing patterns across many applications also kind of contributes to the striving for idealism [laughs]. JOËL: It's kind of both, right? Because there's very high incentive to ship pretty rapidly, especially if you're on a shorter engagement or if you're on a project that has a shorter timescale. But also, yes, because you've seen so many projects, you've seen how things can go wrong. Also, you've seen the same problem from 20 different perspectives that are all slightly different. And so, some of those broader patterns can start emerging in your head. STEPHANIE: Yeah, honestly, I think that's kind of the work that I enjoy the most in consulting because a lot of clients bring us on when they're like, "Hey, like, we've reached a point where our velocity has slowed down. Like, can you help us unstick our developers?" And that's actually when I've found that leaning on the theories and maybe a little bit of idealism is actually really useful because I'm kind of providing those tools to developers at this time when they need it. That's kind of why I have been saying trending idealism because I have found that particularly useful at work. JOËL: There's an element here of, like, looking at a bunch of different use cases and then finding some sort of unifying model or theory. And that's a word that I think programmers have a love-hate relationship with: Abstraction. I don't know about you, but designing abstractions is a lot of fun for me. I love designing abstractions. I have always loved designing abstractions. It's not always the best use of my time, and it's not always the best thing for a codebase. STEPHANIE: Ooh, okay, okay. This was a good transition. I hear you that, like, yeah, love-hate relationship. It's hard. That's kind of where I've ended up. It's really hard. And I think it's because it requires that creative thinking. JOËL: It requires that creative thinking. And then also, like, it requires you to sort of see more broadly, a more broad picture. What are the things that are connected, the things that are disconnected, even though they seem related? And, like, being able to sort of slice those similarities from each other. STEPHANIE: Yeah. I agree. And the interesting part is that, like, a lot of the time you just don't know yet. And you kind of have to come back to reality and admit that you don't know yet, you know, got to come back to earth, take a look around, and, yeah, you can go through the thought exercise of thinking [laughs] about all of the possibilities, and I imagine you could do that forever [laughs]. JOËL: I mean, that's why we have heuristics like the rule of three that says, "Don't abstract something out or attempt to DRY code until you've seen three use cases of it." So, maybe leave a little bit of duplication or a little bit of maybe not perfectly factored code until you have a couple of more examples. And the sort of real picture starts emerging a little bit more. STEPHANIE: So, I think we are kind of at this topic already, but was there a moment or was there something that kind of helped you realize, like, oh, I can't be in that space of imagining abstractions [laughs] forever when I have to deliver software? Like, what changed for you to be the, as you said yourself, recovering idealist and having to maybe employ some more pragmatic heuristics? JOËL: And I think, for me, it's partly being a consultant and being in a lot of projects and having that pressure to work with deadlines and sort of not having an infinite canvas to paint with, having to sort of fit some of my grand ideas into the reality of, we've got a week or two weeks to get this thing done, and also working with a team, and some ideas don't work well with every team. Every team is kind of at a different place. And abstractions sort of only serve you as well as they are useful to not only you but the team at large. So, if a team is not comfortable with a set of abstractions, or it's sort of, like, too far down a path, then that can be really challenging. And that's where something like the dry-rb set of gems, which has some really fun abstractions like a mental model for doing things, depending on the team, that can be a really heavy lift. And so, as much as I like those patterns, I might think long and hard before I try to push this on a whole team. STEPHANIE: Yeah, I kind of had to navigate a situation like that recently, where I was doing a code review, and I had left some suggestions about refactoring to encapsulate some responsibilities better. And then, I was like, oh, and then I noticed another thing that we could do to make that easier. And it, you know, definitely can start to spiral. And the author, you know, kind of responded to me and said, "Hey, like, I really appreciate these comments, but we are a bit tight on deadline for this project. So, is it okay if I, like, revisit this when we've delivered it?" And, you know, I was just like, "Yeah, it's totally up to you." At the end of the day, I want whoever's authoring this code to have, like, full agency about how they want to move forward. And it was really helpful for me to get that context of, like, oh, they're a bit tight on the deadline because then I can start to meet them where they're at. And maybe I can give some suggestions for moving towards that ideal state, but ones that are lower left, and that is still better than nothing. JOËL: That sounds awfully pragmatic. STEPHANIE: [laughs] JOËL: Moving in a positive direction, we're getting halfway. It's better than nothing. That's very pragmatic. STEPHANIE: Hmm. Wow. But it's pragmatically moving towards idealism. JOËL: [laughs] STEPHANIE: If that is even possible [laughs]. JOËL: Uh-huh. STEPHANIE: That's maybe the book that I'm going to write, not The Pragmatic Programmer, but The Pragmatically Idealistic Programmer [laughs]. JOËL: The Pragmatic Idealist. STEPHANIE: Ooh, yeah, I like that. Okay. Watch out for that book coming 2030 [laughter], written by me and Joël. JOËL: So, I think you brought up a really interesting point, which is the idea of pragmatism versus idealism when it comes to code review. Do you find that you think about these ideas differently when reviewing somebody else's code versus when you write your own? STEPHANIE: Oooh, yeah. I'm not sure exactly why, but definitely, when I'm reviewing someone else's code, I'm already in the headspace of, you know, I have some separation, right? Like, I'm not in the mode of thinking very hard [laughs] about what I'm creating. I'm just, like, in the editing kind of phase. And then, I can actually pull more from different theories and ideas, and I find that actually quite easier. When I'm writing my own code, it's just whatever comes out, right? And then, hopefully, I have the time to revisit it and give it a scan, and then start to integrate the, like, idealistic theories and the patterns that I would like to be using. But it definitely...for patterns that I feel a lot more confident about or more familiar with, they just come out mostly kind of oriented in that way if I have the time, or sometimes I will make the time, you know. I'll just say, "It's not done yet," because I know it can be better. I think that could be another, like, pragmatically idealist way of handling that. JOËL: [laughs] STEPHANIE: Right? It's just telling people, "I'm not done." [laughs] It's not done until I do at least give it an attempt. JOËL: So, it's kind of a two-phase thing when you're writing your own code, whereas it's only a single phase when you're reviewing somebody else's. STEPHANIE: Yeah. Yeah. But, like I said earlier, it's like, I also really believe that I don't want to impose any of my ideas [laughs] onto others. I really believe that people have to arrive at it on their own. So, it used to bother me a little bit more when I was just like, oh, but this way is better [laughs]. When people wouldn't get on board, I would be sad about it. But as long as I know that I, like, left that comment, then I can give myself a pat on the back for trying to move towards that ideal state. What about you [laughs]? JOËL: I think this is probably also where I'm, like, now a recovering idealist. There was a time where I would leave a ton of comments on someone's PR. I almost had a view of like, how can I help you get your PR to be the best it can possibly be? And sometimes, if you start with something that's very rough around the edges, you're leaving a lot of comments. And I've been that guy who's left 50 comments on a PR. In retrospect, I think that was not being a good teammate. STEPHANIE: Hmm. JOËL: So, I think maybe my mental model or my, like, goal for PR review has changed a little bit. It's less about how can I help you make your code the best it can possibly be? And a how can I help you get your code to mergeable? And it's possible that mergeable means best that it can possibly be, but that's usually not the case. So, I'm going to give you some feedback: some things that confuse me, maybe raise one or two patterns that are existing in the app that maybe you weren't aware of that you should maybe consider applying. Maybe I'll raise a couple of ideas that are new, but that apply here. And those might just be a, "Hey, let's just think about this. Maybe we don't want to do this in this PR, but maybe we want to look at them at some point. Or we should be thinking about this in a sort of rule of three situation. If we see this come up another time, maybe consider introducing a strategy pattern here, or maybe consider making this a value object, or separating these side effects from these pure behavior." But it's more of a dialogue about how can I help you get your PR to the point where it is mergeable? STEPHANIE: Yeah. Another thing I thought about just now is both are meaningful or, like, both can provide meaning in different ways, and people ascribe different amounts of meaning to both; where I had worked with someone, a client developer before, who was not super interested in doing any kind of refactoring or, like, any, you know, second passes for quality. Because, for him, like, he just wanted to ship, right? That was where he found meaning in his work. Whereas that actually made my work feel a lot more meaningless [chuckles] because I'm like, well, if we're just kind of hands on a keyboard, like robots shipping code, I don't know, that doesn't feel particularly motivating for me. You know, I do want to employ some of that craft a little bit more. JOËL: And, I guess, yeah, idealism versus pragmatism is also...it's a personal individual thing. There's an element where it's a team decision, or at least a sense of, like, how much quality do we need at this point in the life cycle of the project? And what are the areas where we particularly want to emphasize quality? What are our quality standards? And that's, to a certain extent, consensus among the team that it's individual members. And it's also coming from team leadership. STEPHANIE: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mentioned that, you know, just to, I think, shed a little bit of light that it's usually not personal, right [laughs]? There's that part of understanding that is really important to, yeah, like, keep building this shared world of writing software, and, hopefully, it should be meaningful for all of us. JOËL: I think a few takeaways that I have would be, one, the value of, like, theory and idealism. These things help you to become a better developer. They help you to spot patterns. It's probably good to sort of have in the background always be learning some new thing, whether that's learning a new set of patterns, or learning some mental models, thinking about, oh, the difference between side effects and pure code, learning about particular ways of structuring code. These are all things that are good to have in your back pocket to be able to apply to the code that you're doing, even if it's a sort of after-the-fact, hey, I've done a similar task three different times. Is there a broader principle? But then, also, take the time to really make sure that you're focusing on shipping code, and maybe that's learning to work in smaller chunks, working iteratively, learning to scope your work well. Because, in the end, delivering value is a thing that is something that we could all probably benefit from doing more of. And then, finally, taking some time to self-reflect, a little bit of self-awareness in this area. What are the aspects of pragmatism and idealism that you find personally meaningful? What are the elements that you think bring value to your work, to your team? And let that sort of guide you on your next code writing or PR review. STEPHANIE: On that note, shall we wrap up? JOËL: Let's wrap up. STEPHANIE: Show notes for this episode can be found at bikeshed.fm. JOËL: This show has been produced and edited by Mandy Moore. STEPHANIE: If you enjoyed listening, one really easy way to support the show is to leave us a quick rating or even a review in iTunes. It really helps other folks find the show. JOËL: If you have any feedback for this or any of our other episodes, you can reach us @_bikeshed, or you can reach me @joelquen on Twitter. STEPHANIE: Or reach both of us at hosts@bikeshed.fm via email. JOËL: Thanks so much for listening to The Bike Shed, and we'll see you next week. 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Wingding has to remind Optimus about combining, ignoring all the times Optimus combined with Leobreaker as well as the first two series of this trilogy. Find Paul and John on Twitter or email the show. Full episode archive

This week, your host gets himself into a little bit of a pickle, makes good on an old promise and dissects the movie Saltburn. FOLLOW ON INSTAGRAMSONGS OF THE WEEK PLAYLISTVENMO SOME COFFEE MONEY

Listen in as the Mez and I go deep into the 650 when it was still the 415 with: Pyramid banks, San Bruno Boys Club, the Quads, meeting Mike Carroll, the Danny Parks experience, hitting Memorex and Fish Banks, the 7B bus line, getting into filming, fisheye lens changing the game, Chico Brenes, going to EMB, the first WingDing call, FTC videos, filming Kelch at EMB for the first time, filming for Tim & Henry, the beginning of Girl skateboards and much more... This is just part one, part two coming Sunday --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/talkin-schmit/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/talkin-schmit/support

Jonah's story challenges assumptions. Assumptions about what it means to be “chosen”… not a free ticket but a responsibility. Assumptions about the power of human freedom within the framework of prophecy and the will of God. The account we have of Jonah sticks out as very unique within the 12 minor prophets. Putting Jonah among the 12 minor prophets asks us to consider it in relation to those books and their message. The story of Jonah questions overly simplistic ideas some people, may have about prophecy. Placement among the 12 minor prophets offers a thoughtful antidote to false assumptions held by people in 500 B.C. … the 1st century A.D. …  even 2024 A.D.l Particularism - the idea that God only cares about the people of Israel [in our day we might apply it to the Church of God]. l Determinism/Fatalism - the idea that outcomes cannot change. Which can lead to pessimism and apathy about the future.

Show notes:    On this episode, we have Charles Edge, also known as the "Old School Mac Guy," who not only hosts the MacAdmins Podcast but also serves as the Chief Technology Officer at Boostrappers.mn. He is dedicated to pioneering approaches in the realms of Apple technology, security, and IT management software. Join us as Charles shares insights into the future of MDM and device management Topics discussed:   Charles' start in the MacAdmin world. Wingdings. Building an MDM. Enjoying the business, financial, and technical sides of IT management. Secret Chest and DND spells Writing a 2,000-page textbook on the history of computing. What the biggest changes for IT and MacAdmins will be. The future of MDM.   Resources mentioned:     https://www.secret-chest.com/ https://podcast.macadmins.org/   Where to get in touch:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlesedge/  https://www.linkedin.com/company/fleetdevicemanagement/ Try Fleet   Fleet makes it easy to get accurate, actionable data from all your endpoints. From full disk encryption to healthy antivirus software and any query in between. See for yourself. https://fleetdm.com/try-fleet/register.

Run Away with Us for the Season Finale of Snappt! Season 2! This week we are full of EMOTION for the Canadian Princess of Pop - Carly Rae Jepsen! We Really Really Like this run of singles, with I Really Like You, Run Away With Me and Your Type being some of the her greatest work. We talk the ups and downs of the music videos, chart positions (or lack thereof), and watch her get addicted to Whiskey and Strawberry Vapes along the way. We play our last round of Sleppt! On or Choppt! Off, which includes a tense Top2 Lipsync and Bottom 2 Elimination. This is all before we Make The Most Of The Final Night of the Snappies! Wingdings, Cashmere Sweaters and Buzzfeed Buzzards are in attendance along the prestigious Snappies pink carpet. Finally we wrap up a true legacy left by CRJ, wheel out the Indisputable impact icon-o-meter before her sabbatical and thank all of you for your amazing support and love this season!

Join us for an exciting episode featuring discussions on the St. Louis Cardinals' recent winning streak, a preview of the upcoming Wingding event, and insights into the valuable work of UCP Heartland. Special guest Oliver Marmol shares insights on the Cardinals' performance, and Kevin Litt from UCP Heartland highlights their programs and the Wingding fundraiser. Stay tuned for more sports updates and community stories.

Join us for a jam-packed episode of St. Louis sports talk with special guests! We kick things off with the St. Louis Cardinals' impressive winning streak and dive into a thrilling preview of the upcoming Wingding event. Discover the valuable work of UCP Heartland as Kevin Litt sheds light on their programs and the Wingding fundraiser. Special guest Oliver Marmol joins us to share insights on the Cardinals' performance. But that's not all – get ready for a thrilling sports spectacle as Coach Eli Drinkwitz and the Missouri Tigers face off against Memphis at the Dome. Chris Roseman from the St. Louis Sports Commission and Coach Drinkwitz discuss the significance of this long-awaited college football showdown in St. Louis, relive memorable moments, and explore the rich sports culture of the city. Don't miss out on this action-packed episode, featuring Andrew Price, KMOX's number 1 listener, in studio with us!

Good news, everyone! We just hit 25,000 listens—which is even more impressive considering that it's been less than a year since we hit 5,000! To celebrate (and not at all to cover a production gap caused by my having to move), I'm sharing the first episode of the limited series spin-off I made with my DES 399 class last term, Fontroversy! It's a really hilarious way to get anyone at all excited about fonts with a great mix of silly stuff and true history, and should be perfect for anyone who likes what we do here.Too, I'd love some feedback on what you might want out of a Did I Do That? Patreon could look like! If you have ideas or would just want to show your support, drop me a line at ss3@pdx.edu!If you want to show your support for DIDT, tell a friend about the show, either in meatspace or on MySpace, or consider a one-time "Buy Me A Coffee" tip—It'd mean a lot!Fontroversy #1: "Wingdings: Cheugy Emoji?"When Wingdings becomes a sore subject around the studio, Lena and Sean turn to guest expert Lea Thompson to help settle once and for all what good those dingbats are for.Researcher: Lena HallStory Editor: Malia MastersonSegment Producer: Lea ThompsonThis episode was recorded Tuesday, May 23, 2023 and originally published July 20, 2023.---PRODUCTION CREDITSFontroversy was created by the students of DES 399 Public Design Communication in the Spring of 2019 as part of Portland State University's Graphic Design program in Portland, Oregon. You can learn more about PSUGD at psu.gd. You can learn more about the PSU School of Art+Design at pdx.edu/art-design.Host: Lena HallShow Art: Robert DittySocial Media: Ashley HeekeProducer: Sean SchumacherEditorial Assistance by: Orion CortezMusic: “How Can Things Be” by Holizna---For more about Fontroversy, visit fontroversy.com or follow @fontroversy.psugd on Instagram. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

When Wingdings becomes a sore subject around the studio, Lena and Sean turn to guest expert Lea Thompson to help settle once and for all what good those dingbats are for.Researcher: Lena HallStory Editor: Malia MastersonSegment Producer: Lea ThompsonThis episode was recorded Tuesday, May 23, 2023.---PRODUCTION CREDITSFontroversy was created by the students of DES 399 Public Design Communication in the Spring of 2019 as part of Portland State University's Graphic Design program in Portland, Oregon. You can learn more about PSUGD at psu.gd. You can learn more about the PSU School of Art+Design at pdx.edu/art-design.Host: Lena HallShow Art: Robert DittySocial Media: Ashley HeekeProducer: Sean SchumacherEditorial Assistance by: Orion CortezMusic: “How Can Things Be” by Holizna---For more about Fontroversy, visit fontroversy.com or follow @fontroversy.psugd on Instagram. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Robert Crane is the co-author of eleven books including Crane: Sex, Celebrity, and My Father's Unsolved Murder, My Life as a Mankiewicz, Bruce Dern: A Memoir, and Jack Nicholson: The Early Years. He contributed a short story called Wingding to the recently published story collection, Beyond Where the Buses Run: Stories. Robert is also the co-writer of Hostage for a Day, a Fox Television film directed by John Candy. And he wrote for Playboy for twenty years, including numerous celebrity interviews. Robert also happens to be the son of the late TV icon, Bob Crane, who was best known for playing Colonel Robert Hogan in Hogan's Heroes during its six-season run. 

N8, Jeaux G, and The Yeti discuss the Genitalmen's Symposium regarding the Ukronian Kronflict.Upset with the quality and/or content of the show? https://www.patreon.com/tokyomoonlightcommandosQuestions, Comments, Concerns? Wanna cuss us out?tokyomoonlightcommandos@gmail.com

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From serif to san, from kerning to Krueger, it turns out people have some pretty extreme opinions about fonts. In part two of this special two-part episode, Ben, Noel and Max explore the nature of print. Papyrus, New Times Roman, Wingdings -- if you can name a font, it turns out there's a story behind it.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Christ as Head of the 7 Churches of RevelationRevelation chapters 2 & 3 contain messages written for and sent to the 7 Churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.l Each receives its own short, personalized message from the head of the Church, the resurrected Jesus Christ.l Each message follows a pattern of noting their accomplishments, their faults or shortcomings, their trials, and they are reminded of the glorious outcome for those who overcome and persevere.l At the start of each message He mentions one or two things about Himself which relate to His role as head of the Church. This serves to remind them that what the messenger brings to them is actually from HimMost of these attributes of Christ are mentioned in Revelation 1:10-20. These verses serve as an introduction to the letters written to the churches and in certain cases adds some insight to what the symbols mean.SPS: Let's look into these attributes of the risen Christ and consider how they relate to His present role as the living head of the Church… actively working within His Church!Keep Reading »

Have you ever pondered how extremely important font choice is when getting a tattoo? Gang tattoos would look pretty goofy in Wingdings. Let's talk about that, getting all the skin on your arm completely peeled off, Rihanna being the official soundtrack in Hell, why do some people hide their toaster, and more on today's episode of Can You Dont?!*** Wanna become part of The Gaggle and access all the extra content on the end of each episode PLUS tons more?! Our Patreon page is LIVE! This is the biggest way you can support the show. It would mean the world to us: http://patreon.com/canyoudontpodcast ***New Episodes every Wednesday at 12pm PSTWatch on Youtube: https://youtu.be/r9Q_2mMPHUoSend in segment content: heyguys@canyoudontpodcast.comMerch: http://canyoudontpodcast.comMerch Inquires: store@canyoudontpodcast.comFB: http://facebook.com/canyoudontpodcastIG: http://instagram.com/canyoudontpodcastYouTube Channel: https://bit.ly/3wyt5rtOfficial Website: http://canyoudontpodcast.comCustom Music Beds by Zach CohenFan Mail:Can You Don't?PO Box 1062Coeur d'Alene, ID 83816Hugs and Tugs.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Spooky story. Cool and stuff. Plz watch and follow. If my episodes get weird, you can always unfollow. My user name in scratch.mit.edu is Pizza_Gamer5554. P. S. The boxed ? Is supposed to be a rectangle. P. P. S. It's “THE WARDENS CAVE” in Wingdings.

We're back gang, first show of 2023. Bitta fun in here, bitta shlop in there too. We get the update on the Andrew Tate vs Greta Thunberg saga and Liam's failed his new year's resolution already. 610 Quiz: “It's Tom”   Who's awake right now and why?   Andrew Tate vs Greta Thunberg  The #topical movies we watched over the break What's trending: The best singer of all time  Failed new year's resolutions  Ben's dog almost died   Is the Tom Brady and son picture weird?  Gift swap: Anyone want an ice tray?   Have you made friends off a dating app?   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Full Court Press: Brittney Griner's Release, New NBA Player-Themed Awards & Suns/Pels Beef  NBQ&A Holiday Spectacular: We Answer Your Questions! And Also: Twister, Curry In A Hurry, 50/40/90, French Pickup Leagues, Wingdings, Pentagons/Hexagons, Maurice Podoloff, “That Player”, Port Authority City Edition Jerseys, Beach Crabs vs BEACH Crabs, Medaling Adults, Magnanimous Boys, Turtlenecks, Dame Right, Vertically Talented, Spicy Bang, Penang, Bat Flips, Pictionary   Sponsor:   Shaker & Spoon: Shaker & Spoon brings the bar to you every month with original recipes for the perfect home happy hour. Get $20 off your first cocktail box!   Find Us Online - website: horsehoops.com - patreon: patreon.com/horsehoops - twitter: twitter.com/horse_hoops - instagram: instagram.com/horsehoops - facebook: facebook.com/horsehoops   HORSE is hosted by Mike Schubert and Adam Mamawala. Created by Mike Schubert and Eric Silver. Edited by Mike Schubert. Theme song by Bettina Campomanes. Art by Allyson Wakeman. Website by Kelly Schubert.   About Us On HORSE, we don't analyze wins and losses. We talk beefs, dig into Internet drama, and have fun. The NBA is now a 365-day league and it's never been more present in pop culture. From Kevin Durant's burner accounts to LeBron taking his talents anywhere to trusting the Process, the NBA is becoming a pop culture requirement. At the same time, sports can have gatekeepers that make it insular and frustrating for people who aren't die hard fans. We're here to prove that basketball is entertaining to follow for all fans, whether you're actively watching the games or not. Recently featured in The New York Times!

Happy Halloween grrrls! We're so excited to dive into our favorite music with you all on this cold, spooooky Halloween! This week we discuss the music industry's cyclic nature in electronic music, Taylor Swift's marketing team and our disastrous trip to the When We Were Young festival (that got cancelled on us, ugh, still sad). But of course, the MUSIC! We talk about our obsession with Laura Lucas's debut folky EP, the gorgeous single from Giift, and Tove Lo's return to shocking pop bops. And we're so excited to announce our newest partnership with Braid Network, an up & coming web-based (there is an app too!) platform that's a mix of the engagement of Discord and the ease of Linktree -- you can see ALL our content from all social media in one easy feed-based view. We'll be chatting about the podcast, asking questions, so hop on our network and let's get socializing! PODCAST SINGLE FEATURE: "Blood Magick" - Naga Brujo ARTISTS WE MENTION: Rosehardt, PawPaw Rod, Lulu Simon + more! Follow along with our Spotify playlist: https://tinyurl.com/y2nuuvww You can watch the video version on our YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/487kk86c Be sure to leave us a comment, let us know if there's a specific album/ep/artist you'd love for us to talk about, and be sure to like this video & subscribe to the page! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/grrrlmusic/support

7:00 - Cardinals offense goes quiet again against the Cubs and this time the Cubs really make them pay, Arenado and Oli's reaction to an ejection that surprised us all and if we're starting to worry about Mikolas 7:15 - Sick of it! 7:30 - Greg Amsinger on FO separating themselves, the new rules in MiLB and his thoughts on the new schedule 7:45 - TIOLI 8:00 - Three Questions on...The New England Patriots 8;15 - Fresh Take: Nick Ragone on the new additions and excitement surrounding the Ascension Charity Classic, now just two weeks away 8:30 - The Fight, with special guests from the WingDing! 8:45 - Today's Big Thing: Can the Cardinals win the rubber match in Chicago this afternoon? How does the potential momentum affect the club growing into one of the view competitive series left on the schedule? 9:00 - Bellerive Head Pro Mike Tucker on the BMW coming to St. Louis and what it means for the region 9:15 - You're killing me, Smalls! 9:30 - *Thursday* with Waino talking about the Yadi/Pujols sendoff this season, pitching competitions, trash-talking and more with Adam Wainwright

Bak is joined by comedian/podcaster, Aaron Cheatham discussing WIFI disconnect, mobile phone nostalgia, old school music collecting, trouble with HR, decades comedy, video game music, and more! #ShareDopeShit Aaron: https://www.sonyclassics.com/theraid2/ (The Raid 2) Bak: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6710474/ (Everything Everywhere All at Once) Follow Aaron on IG: https://www.instagram.com/_aaroncheatham/ (@_aaroncheatham) Follow The FeedBak: IG: https://instagram.com/thefeedbak (https://instagram.com/thefeedbak) Facebook: https://facebook.com/thefeedbak (https://facebook.com/thefeedbak) Twitter: https://twitter.com/thefeedbak (https://twitter.com/thefeedbak) Follow Hip Hop Bingo: https://hiphopbingo.live/ (https://hiphopbingo.live) All episodes and show notes available at http://thefeedbak.com/ (thefeedbak.com) The FeedBak Podcast is also available on http://thefeedbak.com/spotify (Spotify), http://thefeedbak.com/stitcher (Stitcher), http://thefeedbak.com/googleplay (Google Play) and wherever you listen to podcasts.

 Your Part in God's Master Plan of Spiritual CreationThe biblical festival of Unleavened bread follows immediately after the biblical festival of Passover. There is no separation between the two. The nanosecond the Passover ends at sundown the first day of unleavened bread begins. Perhaps this is to tell us how closely inter-related the spiritual meaning of both festivals are. Step 1: Jesus' sacrifice makes possible forgiveness of sin and provides atonement for it. He who was God and was with God came in the flesh to do for us what we could not ever do for our self. Step 2: After Passover, comes the festival of unleavened Bread which tells us about:l First, the contribution we must make towards God's great purpose for us l AND it points to the help God extends to us through the living risen ChristMy purpose today is to explore both of these aspects of the festival: Keep Reading »

Aloha friends. It's Robert Stehlik, welcome to another episode of the blue planet show. On this show, I interview Wing foil athletes, designers, and thought leaders and ask them in-depth questions about wing foil equipment and technique. I'm also trying to get to know my guests a little bit better, their background, how they got into water sports, what inspires them and how they live their best life. As a visual learner, I'm adding visual content that you can watch right here on YouTube, but you can also listen to these long form interviews on the go as a podcast, just search for the blue planet show on your favorite podcast app. Today's interview is with none other than Armie Armstrong, the founder of Armstrong foils. It's amazing how he built a business in just a few years from a few prototypes to one of the biggest manufacturers in the world of foiling and a wing foiling equipment. We just got some of their new boards at our shop here in Honolulu. Really nice, Innovative features. And he talks about that in this interview also about growing up on a sailboat, learning how to walk basically on a sailboat, sailing around the world with his parents. So that's a really cool back story. I thought I also want to say a special thank you to our sponsors. This show is brought to you by people just like you, that support blue planet here in Honolulu. So next time you're shopping for new gear. Please check out blueplanetsurf.com. And I think you'll find that we have great quality, service and pricing, so you can't go wrong getting gear from blue planet. And of course also you're supporting content like this and making it possible. So thanks for everyone who supports their business. All right. Army Armstrong. Welcome to the blue planet show. Thanks so much for coming on. How are you doing today? Oh, awesome, man. Yeah, we're just about to go and test some prototype foil. As soon as this is finished, we're out on the water. So yeah, life is good. We were locked down and Zed for awhile recently, and it's all for a year and a half behind the rest of the world with the COVID thing. So we're going through it now. I don't know. It's crazy, but yeah, we were allowed back on the water. Yeah, a couple of months of that was pretty bad locked off the water. So now we're back into it. You weren't allowed to go even on the water at all during lockdown, you had to stay in your house. Basically. Yeah, it was pretty hardcore. And then even now, we're, I guess we're almost two and a half months into it, like a lot of businesses of open, so it's pretty hard for a lot of people. I'm just super lucky that that you guys in the states seem to be charging ahead and carrying on and Europe as well seem to be back to normal. So fingers crossed. We hit that way too. Yeah. Not really back to normal, but people are just tired of arranging their lives around COVID, and basically just like at some point you just have to learn to live with it. I guess that's the thing, but yeah, like last time we met was I guess like about three years ago, I think in Raglan maybe two years ago before the, before this whole thing. Yeah, that's right. When that was that your last international trip? Probably one, no, actually I went to New Zealand again, like a year later, which was in February, I think, February on 2009, 19. As the pandemic was already going on in China right before they stopped the travel international travel. So that was a good trip. But so now you're in Auckland. Yeah. Zeeland it's it's. Summer's just starting, you got nice weather over there. Yeah. It's just starting. And yeah, we're lucky we're at a lockdown and we're back in the water. And yeah, we're just getting through pretty exciting list of prototypes and, moving ahead, once they put in. Let's start in the beginning. Last time we talked to you, you mentioned, you just said that you grew up on a sailboat sailing around the world with your parents. So I don't want it to find out more about that. Can you tell us more about, how you grew up and how you got into water sports and, love for the ocean and all that kind of stuff. I was just really lucky that born into a sailing family. I think I was really lucky. Definitely had a lot of great adventures with my parents. I was conceived in Brazil, so my father was an architect in Brazil, and then they'd been planning, a sailing adventure with some friends of theirs who is also a Kiwi architect along with my father. And they went back well all back to the UK, made up there boredom. Fit it up. And I had two young families, so six kids total, three each side, and then the four adults. And they jumped on a 44 foot kitchen sound off around the world to the blue yonder. And so that was, I was six months old when we left the UK. And, we sat around for a couple of years, floating around the Pacific to learn, to walk on the boat and then, ended up in New Zealand after, pretty good salient venture. And then we were always sailing every, every chance my parents got to get out and about. And once we were in New Zealand. And yeah, just all of my childhood memories are, sailing places. So the trip that two year trip, you actually, do you remember much of that? When you, if you're six months old, you probably don't remember. I don't remember a lot, but I actually made a, I was when I was at school, I did a, like a many student DACO type thing on it, and there was lots of super eight footage and lots of slide slides and stuff. I put together a bit of a a story and interviewed everyone actually on video. So we've got that, which is pretty cool. So yeah, I remember it more through photos and stories. But it's interesting, like just learning to walk on the boat and that just being in the ocean for a lot of time, I know you can't, I have to get in the water weekly at least or else I just start going crazy. Yeah, that's that just is what it is. So that's interesting. Do you think that learning to walk on a boat helped you with having better balance or being used to being on, on, yeah, definitely for sailing and maybe for other sports too, because that just feeling the way the water's moving and being used to it. And I think that's the way with a lot of, the traditional navigators, they just grew up in that way of being on the water and fishing and stuff. And yeah, that's definitely something that I guess yeah, that they say that your brain gets pretty wide in the first, five to seven years. So I think all of those real early experiences, as I think with top surface, they get into that when they're really young, they have a, quite an advantage, I think. Yeah, for sure. That's interesting. So do you get seasick at all or you're never really got seasick. Yeah. That probably has something to do with the two that you're just used to. You said that I love it. I love, the rougher. It gets the more fun I love being out on the ocean, that's. Yeah. Cool. So what are your earliest memories of like being in the ocean or in the surf or like doing like kind of water, sports, like surfing or for me, it's really sailing. We did a little bit of playing around in the surf more body surfing, really. When I was young, we didn't really have surfboards. We used to just play in the surf, but we were more, more silent. We were off on styling and benches, that's, that was really, up until I went on my own adventures in my teens, I was just with my family. Going, sailing around New Zealand. And then later on in life, we did a lot of missions back out into the Pacific with dad and his friends, silent tool sorts of, interesting places. And then personally, for me, when I got right into whitewater kayaking, actually when I was in my teens, I was really influenced by a teacher at one of my schools who was a real whitewater, kayaking, fanatic. And yeah we try and really have, we didn't want what a slalom at team one, all of New Zealand titles for the whitewater slalom competitions, and got seriously into that trial and the New Zealand team. There were a couple of really good guys, so I never got into that team, but. Really dug it. And then we had ourselves off of waterfalls and in our late teens and early twenties and a couple of my good friends who have gone on to become, world-class kayakers. And then I got into, I got bitten by the wind surfing bug at university, so really transitioned, kayaking into wind surfing. And I was lucky enough to go wind surfing and Raglan. Cause I was at uni at Waikato doing a science degree and Ragland's, a short drive. And so yeah, we used to Skype off lectures when it was windy and go wind surfing. And that was great. And had a good friend near James court. Who's won an NZ, its best windsurfers. And he was at uni with me doing a science degree as well. And so we used to yeah. Spend a lot of time out in Raglan when surfing. That was really where I got into the wave side of things more than through surf. And this was like in the 1990s or around what time? 1990s. Yes. So I guess late, late eighties, I really got into windsurfing. And then at uni, 1990 to 95, we were probably windsurfing as much as uni scraped through my degree. So much time on the water. Yeah, that sounds very similar to my, my background too. I got into wind surfing and that's how I ended up being, coming to Hawaii and going to the city here and stuff. But and then what happened next? Like how did you transition from wind surfing to the other water sports that you do now? Yeah. So when say a thing and then got right into sup rotted the early days on a sale, we were on a sailing trip actually to tie. W we did a whole big Pacific mission and about 2005 or 2006 I'm with my parents, with my dad at the time. And we were meeting up with some friends of hers who had been doing a big multi-year circumnavigation of the globe. And we caught up with those guys in Tahiti. And we were, while we were inside Hadia, big south swell came or Southwest swell, and we went, okay let's go down and have a look at Chapo. And we had peddled out, not obviously known Adelaide, but he was peddling out on this giant. Must've been 11 plus foot sat gun before anyone else was even really doing it and caught a couple of waves at Chopra, and we were sitting in the channel watching I'm too scared to try and go surf it for sure. And yeah, I was just like, that is epic. That's just, he just peddled out from the beach. Like everyone else came out on boats. A couple of guys pedaled out from the beach, there are a couple of the local stations, but most guys were on boats and I just was super cool. He took his last wave and over the reef and paddled in and I'm dislike. Ah, that's, we've got to get into that. So it came back, there's no deer around and we just grabbed some old Wednesday and made some got, cause I was into kayaking. So it just fit with my kayaking history. So we just made a couple of pedals, started peddling around on them and we didn't really know what we were doing. And we caught a few waves here and there and was just, we're just having great fun paddling around on these things. And From there actually really took off as a sport. And then I got right into it and there was some events in Hawaii. The battle of the pedal Waikiki actually was was on. And I was like, okay, we're gonna go and have a go at this. And yeah, I had a blast like that. And it was yeah, for that one, I think they only had that one time, the Waikiki battle of the power. It only happened once, maybe a couple of times, maybe twice. Yeah. It was pretty cool. A lot of local prize our member battling car around that one, but he was only about 13. That was the last chance I got to battle with him after he was just killed everyone. Yeah. Yeah. I still remember a race where I beat Connor Baxter, but that was, I think he was like 12 or something. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. So then sup really got me to Hawaii and then spent, I made a mission from about 2011. I think that was the battle of the pedal in 2011 Waikiki. I could be wrong, but check those dates and then. Yeah. Every year, since then just spent New Zealand new. Zealand's a fantastic place. Winter is a pretty long though. So yeah. Had a mission to try and get out of  for the winters for a couple of months in Hawaii, if I could, or, Samar or Fiji Corso is fantastic from New Zealand, much, much easier to get to, but I guess Hawaii is, the epicenter of the surf world. And there's a good reason for that. The conditions are amazing. The people are amazing and you just learn much faster with any of those, with any activity, really, if you're around the best in the world, you just learn faster, so it was just a learning experience for me and got right into it. And then through all that time, I got right into kite surfing as well. So the Wednesday thing transitioned into the kite surfing and yeah, so cutting and subbing. I was just doing that as much as I could. Funding it in any way possible. I was still working a bit in the film industry doing underwater photography in New Zealand and then doing odd jobs for cash when I was out and about. So that was your main income was photography and doing, yeah. So through that I'd done a bunch of paperwork with some various organizations, film schools and stuff, and ended up working in the New Zealand film industry, doing underwater camera work. And that was great fun because it suited me, we were in the water again and filming, but it still New Zealand film industry is really up and down and especially something as specific as water shooting, it's not really consistent work. So it was good. I managed to get lots of time to go off and do my through my passion, really, which. Yeah, get in the water paddling or cutting. Cool. Yeah, I remember you came by the sh our shop on ward avenue. I dunno, maybe six years ago or five or six years ago. And you had your first, or one of your first foil prototypes of the Armstrong full and you were showing it to me and stuff like that. But I think that was like, before you even started production on them or anything, you can't, that was actually the first batch out of the first production mold. Just, it was like a production sample and we were just getting ready. So yeah, we had bicycle. You were one of the fist people, actually we went to say and say, Hey, we got some spoils. You guys are gonna need bees. I was pretty impressed by the, like the whole design and stuff, like how the fuselage goes through the mass and stuff. It's pretty unique. At that time, I don't think anybody had anything similar. And then, but so you got into foiling through kiting, is that right? Or yeah, so we go into foiling through kiting basically quite foil racing and kite foiling has been around a little bit longer than some of the others cottage. The cottage took it up a little bit earlier. I think, really falling has been around for ages with initially with Mike Murphy and then rush Randall and lit and Dave Kalama and pick your brain are in a Robbie nation. All that crew, really took it on and Hawaii. Totally. To try and deal with the wind bump and all of that sort of cool history. And the Cod is took it on, a little bit, later, but earlier than, most of the other recent uptake anyway. And so we were doing a lot of cutting and cut for them was just the normal thing to do. And we just jumped on that and we were breaking everything we did. Funnily enough, late again, to knock and Reagan for the ultimate water man event. And I was actually doing some camera work on that for a promo that they did with led towing in, out on the points in Ragland. I was living in Ragland at the time and Daniel Kyoko, who then went on to win the first ultimate water man. He was driving the jet ski. I was on the back filming with late. And I think Terry Chung came down correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure. And he was telling with lead at some yeah. At Raglan and I would get. Really long wipes, like a couple of minutes long maybe. And we were like, okay we were cutting following at the time when we all like, actually, this is these guys. I know these guys have been doing it for a long time, but that was the first time we'd seen proper foiling and proper waves life. And it just blew all of us away. We were just like, wow, that's that looks like too much fun. We're going to have to do that. And so we got out on our kite foils and pretty much broke all of them doing that. So we were like, okay, that's that D is not, it's not going to work. So we're going to have to stop making R and D and that was it. Yeah. I think I remember seeing I'm going to, I'm going to screen share this video that I remember watching Yeah. So there was some, a bunch of helicopter footage. That's right. This was a promo for the ultimate water man and this, the water shots. So that one, and then there's a couple of other water shots later on. I shot them on the back of the ski with Daniel. So that's obviously the heli shot. And then there's one where led, comes past a man. That's actually a heli shot too, but then you can see on the jet ski. Yeah. That's me and Daniel. And that's one of our shots there. That's pretty epic. Yeah. Yeah. So that was, obviously a good Diane rags. It was no one out surfing. It was a bit too lumpy, this outsides. So yeah, lad was the first person to really get involved in, outsides properly, foiling rags. And for him, obviously this isn't necessarily massive surf, but it's still a pretty solid day. He's charging us to turn our member. He was like, so close to putting the foil out there. I know, in front of the lip, I've led sleds, a unique individual, as we all know. So trust him to really, open up our thoughts processes. So yeah, we were jumping in the water, filming the stuff, and this was the promo for the ultimate water man. Yeah. And his masses is that the stainless steel mask? This one's, I'm pretty sure it's an alloy rig. Very basically probably a Mike Murphy Tiba and with GTN, with. I dunno, lead would have built with someone in Hawaii, I don't know the full story of a rig. Except that yeah, we were just like, ah that's too much fun. We're going to have to, we're going to have to get into it. And then we did, we got onto it after that and broke everything we had. And so then we were like, okay, we just have to start making stuff. So you actually started with Cohen foiling out or cutting. And then we saw that and then we started towing because it just was like, mind-blowingly fun looking. We didn't realize at the time how hard it was. So we just got thrashed and broke all that kite gear. And out in the city, first of all, we started rebuilding the kite gear cause we broke it all and named, we were like, hang on a minute. The stuff we are, we've rebuilt some wings, we rebuilt some fuselages and some masks and we sit actually we've made it stiffer with made it stronger. It feels better to run. Let's actually make a whole of whole foil set. And then we're really lucky in New Zealand. We've got a lot of really smart boat designers and boat builders. And I had some connections in that area too. And so we just started making our own rigs and pretty much I hand-built our first foil wings, just with some templates that we made up a little bit like making a big fan, really. We just, hand-making a fin, we made some templates, we made some foil sections. We mapped it out on some paper and we translated that on some blocks of wood, we stuck all that together. And then we laminated it and tried it and went, okay, that worked and we wanted to make it a bit different. So we tried a different foil section, took the grind to it a few times until we had something that we thought actually worked pretty well. And then we scan that and then did some cat on it and that became our first. So that was the process. And in terms of the system development I was really interested through, spending a lot of time on the boat, on fittings that didn't didn't corrode. And titanium as a real top end material for not having galvanic corrosion, especially with cabin and it's light and strong, and it's just a, a really nice material and the ocean, because once the part is made, it doesn't really change. So I was really interested in using that technology and that led us down various rabbit holes to, and we ended up yeah. And basically you're the sister from the very beginning, you add that the design was the titanium shrouded with carbon fiber and in a mold or, and then so basically the basic design of your fuselage and the mass fitting and stuff, hasn't really changed. It's still the same as the original foil. You told me that. And that was where we spent a lot of time. We got some pretty good design advice at the time on some of the dimensions. The reason for the Hicks inside the round. We wanted round because I really think round on the fuselage is pretty important for not changing the flow when the fuselage goes through different angles. So the flow doesn't change, to the, around the fuselage, to the back wing. If you got a small square or rectangular fuselage, when you put it on an angle, it changes the flow around that saw. I was really interested in that. And if you look at the. Fish and bottom brackets on boats and keel bulbs and everything. Nothing squid, no one's making anything square fish. There's no square fish, really. So I was like, okay, let's go round. And then to fit inside around a hex as a really good shape, because you can put the two together and you get a similar thickness around the outside of it, which means when you do your layouts, you can wrap the fiber right around that. Which is, what we do in our molds. So the fibers come all the way down from the top of the mast wrap around the bottom bracket and then go back up, which is pretty tricky layout to do. But that's the key point to giving it that feeling and unlocking, locking in the feeling into the mask, which is yeah. What we've spent quite a lot of time developing that layup and we're happy with it and Hey, this. It's always a balance. You can make something stiffer, but then you're going to lose it, lose some fields. So there's that balance. And it depends a little bit on the conditions. If you're really going out in big waves, then yet there is something in a stiffer setup. And I think like you say, lead may well be using stainless or solid LOE master or something for the really big waves, but we're not really trying to make gear at this point for people to toe in it Mazur. And it's epic. Those guys have done it. They're BYOD mix level for sure. But what we're trying to do. Gifts make something that has a real nice surf feeling when you're doing a tune on a head highway, that's really the goal. And then obviously Wingdings come along and whinging it is, to me, it's like going back to windsurfing. It's awesome. It was a beautiful blend of windsurfing and cutting to me winging puts the two together and this way, and it brings foiling really to anyone that's the beauty of whinging because you're, you've got the balance with the wing, which is a lot like the windsurf rig, but you don't have the mask. So it's lighter and easier to handle. You don't have that pool issue. You haven't got the strings like the cot and it allows you to have that balance point on the foil. So really with winging, in decent when anyone can foil and that's where I think the future, isn't a, Hey, I'm not alone in that one. Yeah, for sure. And this is a wing filing show but and like for me when wing filing started, I was doing more standup foiling or, prone, foiling and stand up racing and stuff like that. But ever since I started wink, filing, that's almost all I do now. So how is it for you? Like how much time do you spend on a wing foil board versus other sports? Yeah. We still cut for the little bit because coding's a really good way to test gear because you're independent. You can go pretty fast and you can like quickly change gear and go back out and feel it wonderings pretty good tasting gear as well. And then we tow, I do quite a lot of towing into down one. Cause I think riding bumps down wind on bigger foil, especially when you're fishing with bigger foils is a great way to see how they turn. I'm really interested in foils trying to make foils that turn really. That combination of pump efficiency and turning so pull it towing into bumps down wind and yeah. We used to paddle and we still do pedal on a little bit on the really windy days with the SA. We don't have conditions in New Zealand really where you can chip in and ride the coast down one like an like in Hawaii which is awesome to see that some of the top surfers doing that as a cross training thing, I really influenced by Kyle I'd say, but yeah, the down wind for them, we do a little bit of that. But for testing gear really towing, you can't beat the amount of time you get on the foil, and so for me, the problem is with making gear and my past. Robbie who really drummed the send to me at the, after our first machine, we were accountable over the place, making all sorts of different things. You've got to just change one thing at a time, which, whether that be a tail angle a tail section, whatever it is, you have to keep everything else. The same, the board, the mass position, the front wing, the fuselage link, every other element you need to keep the same so that otherwise you don't really know what your progression is or what's happening. And so we keep a note of each rig we've tried and then change one thing at a time. And then you actually have an idea of what you've done and what is affecting things. And then you can make progress and it's, it does two things. I, it means you can't just dump to some whole mix level immediately. It's a progression. And the other thing is it takes quite a lot of time on the water, through that even coming into like most of my winging sessions, I'll even choose the location. Based on how easy it is to come in to change something out and go back out again. And sometimes they'll go positions just for fun, but oftentimes if there's a boat ramp nearby or, an easy place to come in and out, I'll choose that spot because then I can come, run with the tail at a certain angle, change it half a degree, go back out for half an hour, come back and change it. Half a degree, you go back out and, get that balance and feeling and hopefully make some progress. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. I totally agree with that one changing one thing at a time. That's the way to do it, but I guess for the last two months, I always hard for you to test anything if you couldn't. We had, I think it was seven weeks of being allowed on the water. And yeah, really frustrating. But luckily Rob was out of the country. He was, he went to hood river and stuff. So he was doing basically a foil testing at that time. And we've got some great team riders now, too. So there's a lot of feedback now coming from team riders. That's, it's almost too much sometimes. It's great really though. There's a lot of Intel coming in, but the hottest thing with team rod is us asking him to change just one thing at a time. Cause they never do some are better than others, but everyone's got great opinions and that's really starting to feed into, what we're developing and how we're developing it. The new four geometry boards. Was really a passion project for me, but we got a lot of input from our team writers that really helped with that whole development process. Yeah, it's been really fun. I actually wanted to ask you. You went from being like a traveling videographer or, like on a shoestring budget to having like an international brand that's like worldwide and a lot of growth, obviously. And, as a business owner I know to grow, like that takes a lot of money and capital and good people and stuff like that. So can you talk a little bit about that process? Like how did you do it? How did you pull that off and how were you able to, finance it and how did you do that? Yeah, it's a pretty, it's a pretty long, interesting story. I guess really when it started happening, I got really lucky with, Rob Woodell coming on, he's a super smart guy. And I was getting into foiling at the same time with me and really saw a future in what we were doing. And he was, my initial kind of partner. And then we brought in Andrew McGregor and Bryce Rhodes who are, super keen surfers and, SOP athletes and also successful business people. So they really bought some key business knowledge to it. And through those early days I ended up doing some work for some surfboard factories in Asia. At the end of the sub game, I ended up going to Asia and helping doing some quality control. And also from my boat find did a bit of boat-building, on the side as well. Obviously I'd always been involved with my grandfather, built boats, been involved with that when you're dealing with boats, there's always something to do. And so there's always maintenance with boats, some kind of sanding or laminating or painting or whatever it may be. And so through that background and building a bunch of sat boards and stuff like that, I ended up going and working in a factory. And at the time I tried to sit up actually a sub-brand and I went to the last Pacific paddle games with the range of boards actually. But they were, I was probably behind the curve on that one, but what I did do through that process was ended up working in in some surfboard factories, helping them improve their cabin layout techniques. So yeah, I spent a bunch of time in Asia, in surfboard factories over a period of three years. And so when I put my friends together who were backing the full project with, my contacts with the surfboard factories, that's really where we were at grew from. So I was just lucky right place, right time. And we got into it at the right time. I think that video you play with lead was instrumental timing it, put us. We got right into it a little bit early. And I changed my focus from sup completely to foiling and that's just all we were trying to make. And yet to be honest, our first few foil boards were pretty wild and it was just an experimental, time. And we, they worked. But yeah, for sure they needed to be improved, but that was, the process that everyone was in at the time. And I was just lucky that we met, we got to make some, and we got to make some foils and we got them out on the market at a time when it was just taking off. And so from there we grew it and I'm just really lucky with a lot of people that we met along the way. Yeah. Nice. And then and then Rob widow basically helped you with, I interviewed him as well for that ozone interview, but it's able to help you finance it, or, how it's I know any girl fast, it's always, the money goes out faster than it comes in, right? Yeah. It's quite funny how much it costs to just keep the ball rolling. It's definitely a learning experience for me, but yeah. So Rob obviously invested at the early days Andrew and Bryce, who I've mentioned, they invested and yeah, we got the thing rolling. Started getting the product out there and started getting a bit of traction because there weren't a lot of good options that were easy. We've really, it's lucky not being a super product. I'm okay. But I'm Mo I'm very far from a pro, so I want to make stuff that's easy to ride. That's really been one of my focuses. And so that was, that fitted the market at the time. Cause everyone was learning and that, that was a good Bush and saw then scaling it up. That's the biggest issue. Like you say, that does cost a lot of money. So scaling up to distribution and we made some stuff in New Zealand and it was really hard to just shipping out of New Zealand is a real killer. The logistics from here are really is really tricky. And I had these contexts in the circle factories up there. And while I was up there, I actually met a really interesting guy on a beach in China, Austin, Kirk, who is a American guy. That's spent a lot of time doing business in Asia. And he had some friends who were, really top business guys and the cell phone pots industry. And we were at the time trying to scale up to meet the global demand that was taking off. And it's really tricky to understand those economics, these economies, those economies of scale, global distribution. It's a complicated game if you haven't got that system or process in place. And yeah, we basically spent a lot of time working with those guys to improve our manufacturing. And that really is where we got ourselves to the next level and we ended up effectively partnering with those guys on the supply chain side. So the manufacturing we had much better control of the materials we were using. The. The delivery schedules and the quality control. And so that was, that's been instrumental. It was I guess there's no one thing it's a whole lot of things all coming together and, I just feel really lucky that it came together at the time that it did and where we're able to stay afloat. Yeah, no, it's really impressive how quickly you grew the business, and to become one of the leading brands. Yeah. I don't know. I might hope maybe we're a leading brand. I hope we are. We definitely try hard to, do what we say we're doing and we're making the gear as best we can. We do spend a lot of money on materials. It's slightly crazy. I had a Aussie businessmen recently who we're, who has some distribution and all Aussie. He was like, you guys are crazy. You need to spend less money on your gear and, you'd have a bit of business case, but. To me, I dunno, where we're just sticking true to our original design theory. And we wanted to make gear with materials that were as good as we could afford to make it with. And yeah, we're, that's where we're not really compromising. So it's it's always a juggle and business. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. But that's what Rob, Rob bill was saying that too, if you're really into the sport you're not that concerned about the price. It's more like you want to have the best equipment you can have. It's not. Yeah. That's your main concern is the quality of the equipment more than the cost or the price of it. Yeah. And there's definitely something that comes with Different materials. There's a fail. There's the way it lasts. There's the way it performs. There's a whole bunch of things. And so for us, whether it's boards, foils, client wings, any of it we're trying to use the best materials we can. And, it's a really interesting process. Especially when you scale up just, and in the current market to getting hold of materials. As that's where we got really lucky with our supply chain partners, because even just managing to maintain supply in the current global economy is really interesting. But challenging thing to do. And to be honest, if it was just me, yeah, it'd be, it wouldn't be working. So I've got really good partners and that's on the business. Yeah, that's the key to it is having the right people doing the right job. I guess there's a real psychology in life. And I try to, there's some inspir, inspiring character, I think will Smith, he's a great actor, but an interesting character. He talks a lot about, you've got to employ the people who are really talented at the things that. And that's what you need to do for the universe. You, your, you do what you're good at, and you employ people who are good at doing the things they are good at. And in the long run, it all works out better because people are doing, their passion and what they're good at. And yet you've got to spread everything out when you do that, but that's just, I think that's, to me how things work and that's how we've made it work anyway. Yeah. So what would you say is your job description that Armstrong foil is now? My job is basically I'm the lead product development. And then Rob basically is my main like advisor. He's pretty smart guy and he's been making products in this sort of game. I need to talk to Rob, from the hang-gliding days. A lot of wind design knowledge there. And then apart from. I've got, I'm the passion engine, where, trying to hit us in the right direction. And then we're filling out our team on all the other fronts logistically because that's, my forte is not global logistics at all, and it's still a challenge, but it's been really interesting. And I get involved, we have, open meetings and process on that, but we're, to be honest, we're finding our way to a certain extent as well, but we do have, Andrew's really in charge of the sales and business admin side of it. And then we've got a great inside account management sales team who are really on top of immediate communications, and that it's yeah. Having a global. Network means you've got to be on top of communications, 24 7. And at the time differences and stuff that it's hard to communicate with everybody live. Yeah, that's right. So you've got to, you gotta be able to have a T it's about the whole thing is it's a team. It's a team process and it's, yeah, it's really fun to be a paddle. Cool. So let's talk a little bit about your the equipment. When you went back to your website, your, so we just got a shipment at our shop of your new boards. So can you tell us a little bit about these new winks up boards? Yeah. So the forge geometry wing sat range I'd spend. A lot of time hanging out with the America's cup sailors. And obviously the America's cup was on in New Zealand last year. And I was just looking at how those guys set up their geometry of the boats. And, they put the, their main foils in the middle of the boat at the center of gravity. And I'm like those guys are pretty smart, guys. Why do they do that? Like, why is the foil in the center of gravity of the book? And there are a lot of reasons for that for basically efficiency of lifting and not labor ridging things up. And so we played with it a lot and we decided an actual fact. We want to give people the option of putting the foil a lot for the Ford and the board, because then you can have a board that feels like a much smaller board to ride, but it has more waterline length to get you up. And. Because we also want to ride, smaller, and smaller foils because they're faster and more responsive. And so if you move the foil further and the board and your body further on the board, you've got the feeling of a smaller board, but you got the water line length to get you going. And in the water line, link out the back end, we got rid of the the cutaway on the back of the board because we just want to maximize the board waterline linked to get you up and going as, as early as possible. So everything about the house shape was about getting up and going with the laced energy so that people could ride effectively a smaller board and a smaller failing board. Then we, we did a bunch of other things. We might've really deep cockpit, which does come from a lot from this. Rice board design. There's a drain, which is also the handle both sides. And the reason we recessed the cockpit is that it's got quite a nice feeling. There is a slight convicts in the middle, and then it goes up to the, the rails and the closer you are to the foil, the more responsive everything is. The board thickness is just like adding a longer mask effectively to your foil. So dropping that recess means it brings you closer to the foil and has a really nice, more direct feel to the foil. But then you need some volume somewhere. So we have these, high sided rails. That's just about it. And then we got a pretty decent nose kick nose kicked Mike, Murphy's doing some work with us on the white foil market and all of those skis from the sit down guys, they all have massive nose rocker, right? And those guys are landing jumps all the time. And it's just way more forgiving if you've got a bit more nose rocker and a slightly wider nose, which is why we went to the chisel nose so that it's more forgiving for, plannings. And then the final thing really with the shaping elements is that wider nose allows you to really straighten all the lines on the boards. So the rails and the Chinese are really straight and we just felt that help with the board accelerating off the water surface. So what size board do you ride? Mostly? I'm lucky. I have three boards and my vans depends on the day. If the wind's light I'll ride the 88 liter, I'm 90 kgs. So I'll read the 88 liter as my light when board and I can trot around on that pretty much in no wind I'm with the five and a half or a six and a half and get going at the slightest gas cause you're already standing and we do get a lot of shifty light, wind days, especially in the summer here. So that's great for testing the bigger gear. And then obviously if I'm stopping, I'll use a bigger body as a hundred liter board, if I'm stepping. So I'm Mani kgs. I'm not, I used to be better at stopping. I used to be able to sit pedal assist was the same volume as my weight, but now I go up 10, 10 liters. So I ride them on a nine liter board when I'm, if I'm stopping. Yeah, sorry. That's what it's going to be four boards, but the sup doesn't isn't in the van a lot, these days, mostly it's the wind kit. Then for the NFL, if you want a lot, when boat that you can stop. Yeah. You need to go a few liters over your weight, probably. And then my all rounders, the 50 liter, the 50 or the 60, I really liked the 60 as well, but I'm using the 50 at the moment because I've got my stats pretty doll on that. I need about 12 minutes. I can get going on the 50 liters here to have that photo there. That's the 50 liter. That was a lot. That was a classic station actually on Malik. Yeah, we had a really fun, it was the Mo a lot Brightwell not the main waver Elia, cause the surface we sell over there, but the surface are all like go away. And so we're like, yeah. Okay. We're back to the break wall. And we probably would've got munched anyways, but we read off for when they're right. Yeah. Straight off shore. Yeah. It was super fun station. And that's the beauty with winging. You can ride off shore like offshore sessions. I've had such great officers say you have to be a little bit careful that you, Alicia is really well set up and you got a good board leash, a good kite leash. But if there's some good waves you can really off shore sessions are so fun with winging and that's something that we never did with kiting. And even when surfing Dade off shore is tricky about what the wing you can just fully deep power it and ride straight up when. But you're getting back to the board choices set in the 50 liters, my old round at the moment I need 12 knots or more. And then if it's proper windy, I like the 34 liter four, five. And that's because it's really nice to jump. It's just, smaller and more nimble in the air. But you need proper winds. So if it's 18 knots plus, and really good wind, then I'll ride the four or five. Okay, cool. Talk a little bit about the handle. This is pretty unique that I think you're the only ones making a handle that goes all the way through the board. Yeah. So no idea what that was. Yes. So having a handled top and bottom was obviously a good thing and. To save, right? Like traditional handles are, they definitely add white to a board and we had this really deep recess and I'd played with a lot of rice sups with Vince and the cockpit. And I actually had my race. I should dig out the photo for you. At some point, I made a rice up for the 2018 Molokai to Oahu, which was the first foil downwind, the vent on the Molokai. And that one had a really deep cockpit and it had Vince as well. And so I, one of the veins and the deep cockpit board, and then it just came together. We make the water drain a handle. So that goes all the way through. So you got your handle top and bottom and. For the cockpit and obviously the cockpit joins out the back as well, but you just want to make sure that the water completely clear. So if you've got such a big cock, but it makes sense to have an event. So the handle on the bottom is a little bit further back than on the deck. Is that correct? Yeah, it's on an angle. So the handles on an angle the reason for that is to help with water evacuation and also reduce the drag on the, so the I maybe it's pretty minor, but at the, on the bottom, because the handles on an angle, it's not a square surface hitting the water. It's actually an angled surface at the back of the handle. So whether that makes any difference, I don't know. It's a pretty tiny detail. You ever get water splashing up out of the board when you're like on the surface of it's funny, even landing really big jumps. If you get a video shot of it. Yeah. When you bouncing the board off, the water comes through there, but you don't notice that I've never, I've landed pretty big jumps on that board and I've never noticed the water splashing up and hitting me in the face. Interesting. So let's talk a little bit about your the wing. Oh, I guess the wing surf and then I guess these are for winging and surfing then. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. So the smaller boards are more assist shape. There's something you can paddle in, or like I was saying a wing the 34 and, as smaller team riders cache Breezhaler and Tatiana grant now when, you know the 4 0 27 liter board Skyrim or w SIF pedals in the four. Oh. And he's a pretty big guy, but he's a great surfer and he can obviously serve the 27 liter board. I don't see for board that low volume. So if I'm paddling in I'll actually use the 14 I'm at 39 liters. Cause I'm not a great SIF Wheeler. I'm not a great surfer. I never really grew up surfing, so I need all the help I can get. And the four has got way more paddle, but yeah, that those photos that'll be the four of Mateo and Tatiana are on there. Yeah, so they've got a foot strap option, so you can wing him with straps. But they're also really good for SIF falling on towed air and yeah, they're basically a good all around board. Nice. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. Thanks for that. little rundown on your boards. And then let's talk about your the foils. I guess you just released a new foil, actually. Let me, wait, let me pull that up for you have two new foils that are just got released recently. So you want to tell us a little bit about these two new designs? Yeah, so we're just expanding the highest big foil range is actually going to be, six foils in that range. Pretty exciting too, to fill out the range and we've done it step by step because every saw, different sizes actually need a slightly different detail. And some of those details are pretty important. Geometric or aerodynamic twist is got to be adjusted per size. And so that's a pretty big tuning element. And like we got back to, changing one thing at a time. It takes quite a long time to, to tune in those changes. And so you have to make one, try it a few times, compare it to the other one, go backwards and forth, and then, adjusted again and, trying to get something that has that, the ultimate pump and glide, and you can turn like those are the. The big elements. And so we're really stoked with the way out. Our bigger foils will tend, we can, you can get on a wave and you can actually, throw them around. And ultimately the ha range is is a high performance wing range, but then rippers like Mateo and stuff like he's on the 7 25 and that photo that you're the white gods, smaller guys waking that be doing crazy things on those, because they're just so much faster and you can pump from miles and that sort of stuff. So that the there ultimately, or the range, it's a pretty similar feeling to the size. And it depends on your body size a lot. So that's why we've got the range. Obviously, once you get down to the smaller foils that we will be releasing very soon, the 5 25 and the massive one, the 1525. That's all about expanding the range for the different size of riders. So the 5 25, it's going to be more caught foil really but the 7 25 smaller rippers and mine, 25 average size rippers, 1125 larger grippers in the 1325. And the 1525 are like your light wind performance foils or, bigger rappers who want to, get out there and pump around or down window, whatever. So when you downwind a foil, which for the use, which I'm mostly on the 1125 and 90 kgs, but I'm okay at keeping it up to speed. I find the 9 25 is too small for me actually. But if you're a lighter guy, 1125 is going to be too big. But that's, if you're talking. Good guys who have got some pretty good skill. If you're in really small bumps though, then I are using right now, I'm using the 1325. If it's small and I'm telling him, downwind but if it's windy enough to peddle up on a set, then I can run the 1125. Cause that's on the go when it's howling. So yeah, down one thing down, one thing, an interesting, it has a question for you. How do you see down winning? Cause it's an interesting one for me. Like I got into it, like we were down winning the Nepali 2017 under the Nepali rice downwind on a foil. And then the year later was the  2016. I went to the goal. Before anyone had even tried to do a Dauman rice on a foreign car was down winning obviously. And in Maui and stuff, I went, I did the Gorge dam and pedal challenge on the foil, came about mid fleet. Cause the first half was all good. And in the second half around the island, I lost the foil and paddled a 10 foot board with the foil on it, pretty slowly. But yeah. Where do you see downwind falling? I don't know. It's epic fun and I still do it towing in, I don't do a lot of it paddling anymore and I, you do see some of the good guys chipping in and doing down windows in Hawaii, but I don't know where you see downwind and going. For me personally, I really got into for a while, like we were launching us by Portlock China walls and then just going to either Kahala or to, to all the way to Waikiki on know, stand up foiling and kinda, we're getting it, but then the wings came out and then we just it was like so much easier to use a wing and, that's how we started winning is just going on downwinders instead of a paddle, you take the wing, and then it's just easier to get up on the foil and easy to stay on the foil. And yeah, so I actually stopped doing the downwinders. A lot of guys here on Oahu, do the downwind, like the chipping in the app from also lot of guys go from just like the, from diamond head to Waikiki or whatever, where if you fall in, then you just have to paddle in and catch another way of, You don't go too far out, out of this falls and that, yeah, and they just like tiny surf foil boards and really making it look fun. But I haven't really gotten into that myself and this, it just seems like a lot of work if you fall in especially if, if you do a longer run and you start at China walls, if you fall in and you got like a two hour pallets again to get back. Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. I think some guys are doing that. I don't know. Hey, it's great training if you're a pro athlete. Yeah. So now it's an issue. It'll be interesting to see how it develops. I think what about the downwind suck foiling? Are you seeing a lot of guys doing that still or is that type it off a bit? So I, I think same thing and there's this less people doing it since the advent of wind foiling. And or even that many people doing it to start with, just cause it's so challenging, but I think with the foils getting more efficient. It being easier to get up on foil at I think, maybe it will change and I, I should get back into too, but I just, yeah, when it's windy, I need to get into it too, after too much lockdown, too much locked down cake. But what I'm excited about is this wing foiling and riding waves on the wing photo board too, and dislike doing those long carving turns and stuff like to me, that's super fun and jumping. Yeah. And I guess that's the thing with winging, it's taken over because like you say, it's so easy to get in and out and you just get so much foil time. It's maximum bang for buck and yeah, it has it's 80%, 80% of what I do now is on a wink for sure. And it's just the user-friendliness of wings. Kiting, I've cutting, always has required, a lot of beach space to set up and cuttings is still a great sport in the right conditions. Like howling onshore Cotting is still if it, but I don't know, you just can get out with the wing and it's so user-friendly in locations where you just can't go, with traditional cutting or even windsurfing gear and date off shores, and it's got more bottoming than windsurfing. Wednesday. A thing is great when it's also howling, but in lighter wind, you can get going with the foil and the wing and really be tapping into waves that no one's writing. Yeah, that's true. Like we can foil wing file and much lighter conditions. Our, wind surfers could go out to, but they're not barely moving. They, it takes them forever to get back out, to catch the next. Yeah, I know we were just like flying back and forth. So let's talk a little bit about the wings I'm like your wing development and stuff like that. So can you talk a little bit about what, what the view on and the changes you made to the V2 and so on? Yeah, sure. So basically V1 I just wanted maximum power out of the wing. And so we really went for lodge, diameter, leading edge, and a really deep section which does give you a lot of bottom end power. And that rigidity that you get from the larger diameter tubes really helps with, the bottom in juice of the wing. And to me, I really liked, driving the 10 50 to eight 50, the nine to five, and now the 700. With the Lang. And so you need that bottom in juice to get going on a smaller board out of the hole. So that's really what informed the main shape parameters of the wing, which really is large tubes. And then we've got a tight leech, really tight leech, which means we have to keep that lodge diamond are going quite close to the tips because that gives that sail, that real grunt, that real low and grunty feeling. And there's two sides to that. One is just that simple, low in grant to get you out of the hole on the smaller boredom foil. But it also means you can ride a half size or even a size down from most other wings. I ride the four or five when most people are riding a five or a five and a half, or even a six sometimes, and the five hour, five and a half hours as a guarantee, when it makes like a six or a six and a half, most of the guys bought it has a slightly more compact span for that size because it's got the really deep profile. So there's a plus and minus with every design choice you make. But that deep profile really gives them a lot of bottom end. And that's the, I guess the biggest thing that people don't quite realize with our wings is that you need to ride, at least half a meter down on what you think. So if you're thinking of five let's at four and a half, if you're thinking six sets are five and a half really. And the three and a half, we use that quite a lot, down to 18 knots. And that's, it's more really the grunt of a, for. Yeah. So now the thing we did is we extended our range. We've got the two and a half and the six and a half, and the vetoes we improved the handles the profile is not quite as deep. So we changed the profile is not quite as deep as the V1, so it has a bit more top end. And it, it floats a bit, bit more nicely and we've beefed up all the reinforcements basically on the V2. It's is it the beef that beliefs you've got a photo on the screen right now there we've got an extra butter webbing that ties right back to the Strat because I was in the surf and rip the leading edge out of a couple of wings. I'm getting wrangled in the surf. High of reality is if you get red dot on the SIF, something right. That's just life. Trying to try to beef up these things, the handles are all way grunts here and stiffer on the vatos. Yeah. That's, those are the main things. Yeah. If I can make a comment, like for this seam right here underneath the handle, I had a little cut on my finger and they kept scratching. Like when I got back winded or like pumping or whatever, I would always get scratched by the seam, this kind of a sharp scene right there. So maybe you should move that somewhere else. Yeah, no, we could for another gram, what I've found with those, because they are handles are rigid and they're off the wing. I find I don't hit the straw with my hand. And that's, the ha we spent a lot of time, those handles, I spent a ton of time on those handles. And yeah, there are some other, wind guys out there doing a very similar handle. Now I say pulled a pot, what we were doing and did a similar thing because that stiffer handle with a slightly bigger ice To me, it puts your hand and we've got, so the front hand Zillow, they tell that you might not realize a front handles have a bigger rock and the rear handles have a slightly smaller act and that's to help give the wing a little bit more angle of attack and your hands. So you're not, it balances out your arm links. You don't have to pull them with your back arms so much. And I found that didn't that put my hands off the stress, so they weren't heading the stress, but yeah, for sure. Some sames, if you're, if you hit your fingers on a same, then yet it might graze your fingers. Yeah. But one thing that, like you mentioned that your, their frame is really stiff. So that's something I really like about the ailing is that it's one of the things I really don't like about some wings that Ben right in the middle, right here with a strut connects to the leading edge when it's not enough right there. It just tends to like, when you get, when you hit it gusta the whole wing. Yeah, there's two things there. What you can see with that picture. You've got up right now. There, there isn't a ton of dihedral in the middle and that's because our whole wing is designed through actually, when it loads up at you get a bit more dihedral in there naturally, and all of the panels are all Kat and shaped so that when it's loaded, the airframe is really good. And what you'll find is a lot of wings when they load up, they fold in the middle and you get a lot of crises in the canopy. So our canopy is all set up so that when it's loaded in it, it takes basically, around about 80 kgs of load, pulling someone out of the water. That's when the canopy is actually set to its perfect shape. And that's where you get that real pole and drive. When it's, when you've got to go. With some load in it when it's completely unloaded yet, doesn't, it doesn't necessarily have that same perfect shape. So it is, it's a balance and that's, we're really trying to, but two things, I'm money kgs and I like a lot of grunt out of the whole to get going. And I like to jump, so I want something when you jump, when you pull on it, when you're coming down from a jump, but it really holds you and you can land your jumps. A lot of other wins. I find don't have a lot of pop and when you're coming down, they just banned and you haven't got anything. You just crash into the water. Pretty hard. So yeah, a hundred percent agree with that. Yeah. I find that too, trying to get some, trying to get some grunt into it. And it is a beauty with the inflatable that you can go, large diameter and a lot of that was informed from big, big cut design. So yeah, that's, we're really trying to get going in, on smaller boards with smaller fours, but also I like going out and strong winds. So I really like how are, the three and a half in the four and a half and the two and a half as well when it's hailing perform when it's really windy, because the thing just feels they really come alive. Our wings when it's, when you've got good wind. And, th there may be some lighter wings out there that are bitter and really light when conditions, but I prefer to have some juice when it's windy. Okay. Cool. We were going pretty long now, but I did want to ask you this question that I always ask everyone is especially during the pandemic, like you were shut down, you said for the last two months and couldn't get on the water. So when you're having a rough day, what do you do to stay positive or keep your mind in the right place, which is a tricky one. If I'm not getting in the water, I do go slightly crazy. Luckily I've got an awesome lady at the moment and a young Nipper who's three. So that definitely keeps me engaged. So yeah, it's, I guess it's family time now, I've, I've grown up. I've definitely had some times early on where I was, a little bit, more crazy and probably. As a typical, New Zealand there we used to drink too much for sure. But not nowadays, I'm all full out. We don't, I don't drink at all. And where yeah, family time, really for me, is it, and yet going for nice hike outside somewhere until the top of a ma among the top of the mountain. That's that's a great thing to do with the family and we'll go to the beach for sunset have a picnic on the beach somewhere. That's great as well. We could still do that during the lock down, at least as he said to stay away from everyone else, but you could go on the beach and you can go, yeah, you can go to the beach as long as it was within something like a 5k radius of where you lived something like that. If you didn't live near a beach within their bad life, it's funny. Cause you're in Hawaii. It was the opposite during our set down in the beach. You were not allowed to go on the beach, but you were allowed to go across the beach to go into the water and you're allowed to go in the water. Which I guess makes sense, but I guess it's cause cause our governor is a surfer too, so probably that's why he has to go in the water still. We got it. We've got to get out prime minister, wind foiling guy, that mission for the summit. Yeah I don't know how the, all the rules work. There's some pretty conflicting ones and it's different everywhere. I dunno everyone has their own take on it. I dunno. Any answers that's for sure. Yeah. So yeah. So you mentioned you totally stopped drinking alcohol no more. You're like totally. Yep. That's right. That's right. Actually, Kenny mark had got me inspired. He's an inspirational water man on Hawaii and we were there in 2018, I think with Brian Finch on wahoo doing a bit of a photo-shoot when we released the CF 1200 and. We were there loud. Can you, Micah was trying to foils and he's just such an inspirational character. He's a top go for brighter, but more than that, he's just the top legendary all around water man. Really? And yeah, he was telling me how he's, he's really, I think he was 20 something plus years just totally. Sobering and on it. And he's such an inspiration. I don't know quite how old he is. He wears his age very well, but he's you wait, he was, I don't know how old, but quite a bit older than me and ripping white hat or, and I'm like, okay, yep. Time to get real. So that was kinda, that was co-op I'm really thankful to him for some inspiration there. For sure. So would you say that foiling is like an addiction a little bit like, like a drug or definitely but a good addiction because it gets you outside. It's healthy. It's good for fitness. Mon will be great for your bank balance, but Hey, you can't take that stuff with you. And it is for using and really, it's just such a beautiful sensation flying across the water and it is addicting, but it's addicting for all the right. Okay. Yep, exactly. Do you, like when you get up in the morning, do you have a certain routine, certain things that you do or at the moment? Yeah, changing nappies or getting them ready for the day. And then usually, unfortunately these days it's checking a bunch of emails. It takes a couple of hours which isn't great. And then I usually try and throw some stretches in there in between, and then you look at the wind and try and get out through some testing or it depends what's going on some days it can be just sitting on the computer all day long these days, which isn't ideal, but that's the reality. Yeah. Yeah. Luckily today though, there's some brains. Brand new one. Oh yeah. So that's exciting. So you can go on the water right from your backyard there, huh? Yeah. I Maybe, I don't know if the internet will stay on, I'll drag this thing over here and have a look. See if you can see. Yeah, so then beautiful. Yep. And this is Auckland you're in Oakland, and Oakland city. So yeah. Super lucky. This was a property actually. My parents bought in the 70, so yeah. Pretty lucky to be able to hang out here and yeah, we had to get out, go sailing, go winging or go sailing as well. Yeah. Yeah. We still do a little bit of sailing out of here. I'm going to try and round that my grandfather built. That's just more out of. And yeah, we can't complain. Life is definitely good. When we're allowed to get on the water, it's hot. We don't get locked down again. I think we're going to be okay now, but I don't know it's yeah. Who knows? I'm not going to predict anything on that. Like for me, sometimes I have a really good session and everything like clicks and everything's working perfectly well. And then another time I'll just get frustrated and I keep falling in, or I just make stupid mistakes and stuff like that. And it's just not, it doesn't, I don't get into that zone. So is, does that happen to you and do you have any tricks for changing from, like going from not being in the zone to getting into that where everything. Yeah. I Some days you just have a bad buyer them day, but generally I find I try and do a, like a, I do a li

Season 2; Episode 10: Lessons on Leadership from the Great Depression with Edward Shrigley For this last episode of Season Two, I have a surprise guest I am especially honored to introduce you to: my grandfather, Edward Shrigley. I wish I could interview my grandfather for this episode. But he died at 96 years old when I was just 17. So instead, I'm excited to tell you a few personal stories about my grandfather's leadership during the Great Depression. My dad, Jim Shrigley and I did some research together where we pieced together some of these stories.  Key Takeaways from this Episode Edward Shrigley's five leadership principles: 1. Integrity and trustworthiness are foundational He convinced people to keep their money in the bank because he cultivated trust and demonstrated integrity – before, during and even after the Great Depression. The quality of his relationships was critical to his success. 2. Shared sacrifice for the common good can lead to prosperity for all People bought into his vision that, if everyone sacrificed for the common good, each of their individual decisions would eventually lead to prosperity for all. And while asking others to sacrifice, he was also willing to sacrifice by voluntarily giving up his salary for ten years. 3. Focus on achieving short-term results without abandoning long-term goals He made the connection between short and long-term results – keeping the bank solvent now, allowed the bank to pay its depositors in the long run. 4. Continuously and constantly communicate with your stakeholders My grandfather relentlessly and tirelessly communicated with his stakeholders for over ten years of uncertainty and hardship. 5. Hold fast to the belief that hope, and persistence will contribute to success His belief in the future of the bank enabled him to be persistent and to never give up hope. It was the fuel that drove him day to day, year to year. To learn more about my work in executive coaching, leadership development and team effectiveness check out my website, connect with me on LinkedIn or email me at winnie@winnifred.org.   Reach out and tell me what was helpful about today's episode or any suggestions you have for my show. Please leave a review and tell someone else about this show; look below for some instructions on how to leave a review on Apple Podcasts. I look forward to sharing another transformative conversation with you next week! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ How to leave a rating or review in Apple Podcasts (on an iOS device) 1. Open the Podcasts app. 2. Choose “Search” from the bottom row of icons and enter the name of the show (i.e., “Transformative Leadership Conversations”) into the search field 3. Select the show under Shows (not under Episodes) 4. Scroll down past the first few episodes until you see Ratings & Reviews 5. Click “Write a Review” underneath the displayed reviews from other listeners. You'll then have the option to rate us on a 5-star scale, and write a review if you choose (you can rate without writing, if you'd prefer)

Season 2; Episode 9: Get the Ball Down the Field with Gina L. Osborn Gina L. Osborn is an Army Veteran, a retired Cyber FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge and is now a Keynote Speaker, Leadership Consultant and the host of the podcast Lead Like a Lady featuring remarkable women who have risen to the top in male dominated industries.  Key Takeaways from this Episode: Leading as a Woman · Sometimes men felt uncomfortable around me as the only woman, but you just ignore it and press on and do your job. · There are a lot of reasons why people can treat you in a particular way, but if you think every time, it's because of me, I'm bad, I'm not good enough then you're never going to be successful, because you're always going to have a reason not to be. · The amount of energy that goes into taking things personally can be exhausting. Instead, focus on getting the ball down the field, you don't have time for all the other nonsense. · If someone says something that offends you, ask them, what did you mean by that? It's as simple as that. Either they're going to explain it or they will say I'm sorry I didn't mean it that way. Then you can go about your business and get the ball down the field instead wasting your energy. · Remember that everybody doesn't have to like you and you don't like everybody. It's called self-preservation.  · Like my mom used to tell me, it's none of your business what other people think about you. That takes a lot of pressure off, especially for women.  Leading Authentically · Modified Albert Einstein: “She who attempts the absurd can achieve the impossible”; if you're not attempting the absurd, you are missing out because the impossible is pretty fantastic. · Try things and don't let obstacles stand in your way. If it's never been done before, then you can be the first one to do it. · What percentage of your day is getting the ball down the field? What percentage of my day is criticizing yourself or wishing you had more confidence, or tolerating things that you shouldn't?  · Remember as a leader people are watching you; how you handle things, how you address people, how you nip things in the bud, how much effort and time you're putting into things. · You'll shine as an authentic leader when you are honing into your natural talent and skills sets. · You learn by making mistakes, that's how they become a better leader. · Don't take things so seriously; have more fun. You don't have to be perfect.  · Imperfections are what make you extraordinary. Take risks so you can grow from your mistakes. Leading a Team · My leadership challenge as an executive for the FBI was keeping my agents alive and making sure they go home to their families every night.  · You must know when to take risks and when you shouldn't. · Develop a muscle memory to make critical decisions quickly. Don't get stuck being afraid to fail or it's going to be the wrong decision.  · Micromanaging comes from leaders being afraid to make mistakes or fear of failure. But there's a lot of smart people out there that can come up with really good ideas if we let them do it. · If you have a good team surrounding you, you are going to be successful no matter what. · Develop the leaders that come behind you.  · Don't be intimidated by people who are smarter than you. You don't have to be smarter than your team when you're the leader. You don't have to be the smartest person in the room. · It's important to make sure your people have ownership and investment in the mission of your company. Resources · Open Architecture: Guy Geier at TEDxTimesSquare · Eero Saarinen, a Finnish-American architect and industrial designer To learn more about my work in executive coaching, leadership development and team effectiveness check out my website, connect with me on LinkedIn or email me at winnie@winnifred.org.   Reach out and tell me what was helpful about today's episode or any suggestions you have for my show. Please leave a review and tell someone else about this show; look below for some instructions on how to leave a review on Apple Podcasts. I look forward to sharing another transformative conversation with you next week! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ How to leave a rating or review in Apple Podcasts (on an iOS device) 1. Open the Podcasts app. 2. Choose “Search” from the bottom row of icons and enter the name of the show (i.e., “Transformative Leadership Conversations”) into the search field 3. Select the show under Shows (not under Episodes) 4. Scroll down past the first few episodes until you see Ratings & Reviews 5. Click “Write a Review” underneath the displayed reviews from other listeners. You'll then have the option to rate us on a 5-star scale, and write a review if you choose (you can rate without writing, if you'd prefer)

Season 2; Episode 8: Spices, Entrepreneurship and Social Impact with Ethan Frisch & Ori Zohar  Ethan Frisch and Ori Zohar are co-founders and co-owners of Burlap & Barrel. Burlap & Barrel sources unique, beautiful spices for professional chefs and home cooks. As a Public Benefit Corporation, they partner directly with smallholder farmers to source spices that have never been available in the US before and help improve the livelihoods of our partner farmers.  As a Public Benefit Corporation Burlap & Barrel is building new international food supply chains that are equitable, transparent, and traceable. Key Takeaways from this Episode: Building a Sustainable Business · We went from: what if we have to close the business, to we're about to run out of spices.  · We want to build a big business, a business that has impact, that has influence. · Entrepreneurship is always a process of iterating and improving. Nothing is static. · Now that we've grown, most of the things that happen in the business on a day-to-day basis are not my area of expertise. · You can be an entrepreneur even if your area of expertise is in business operations; continue to find the right subject matter expert that you can partner with partner. · We are lucky we get to live a life that we design. We get to decide what we do every morning. We get to make decisions for ourselves that most people in the world never get to make, and really don't have much hope of getting to make. The fact that we get to do this is already such a privilege, such a treat that, if the business had to close tomorrow, we are fine. We are healthy. We are in positions to make decisions about our lives, and the business doesn't define that. The business is an outcome of that, but not definitive Avoiding the Silicon Valley Model · Create a sustainable, long-term business that isn't optimizing for a crazy exit in five years; build a healthy, happy business. · The crazy, venture-backed, gigantic companies and founder as hero creating a new world is too stressful. Use other inspiring, quirky, funny companies for inspiration that have grown organically, have a deep and interesting culture of their own. · We disagreed with the advice we got from a startup accelerator program; and it turns out that what we did instead saved us from the pandemic. · Not relying on venture money forced us to be lean, thoughtful and to create more clever solutions because we couldn't just hire a senior person to come in to fix things. Building a Healthy Partnership · Starting this business was a new phase of a longstanding friendship. Having had one experience together of entrepreneurship meant that we understood how our skillsets and interests were going to complement each other. · Shared values can help partners navigate challenging decisions. · We're constantly checking in to see how we need to adjust our roles as the business grows. · When we disagree, it means we're working on something important. We have arrived at different conclusions with essentially the same information, and why? Tension is not, necessarily a negative thing, and in fact, it's been an overall a source of positive energy and it pushes us in the right directions. Our Toolkit: · Put in the time and energy and explicit focus to create a conflict resolution process including a toolkit and common language. · We ask ourselves how strongly we feel about something – on a scale of 1-10. The person who feels more strongly about something gets to make the decision. · We have a weekly meeting with no agenda. During that meeting we bring pebbles, not boulders. We want to talk about problems as early as possible. If it feels off or weird, we don't just sit and stew on it. These meetings create a safe space for us to bring whatever we're feeling. We can check in and disagree and talk through the things that are sitting the heaviest on our minds. · We practice disagreements about the small things, so that when a big thing comes along, we're ready.  Companies & Resources: · Examples of social impact business: o Rancho Gordo: sells incredible dried heirloom beans o King Arthur Flour · “Let My People Go Surfing” by the founder of Patagonia, Yvon Chouinard · Pete Flint at NFX Burlap & Barrel Articles · New York Times · Food & Wine · Bloomberg · Fast Company · Wall Street Journal To learn more about my work in executive coaching, leadership development and team effectiveness check out my website, connect with me on LinkedIn or email me at winnie@winnifred.org.   Reach out and tell me what was helpful about today's episode or any suggestions you have for my show. Please leave a review and tell someone else about this show; look below for some instructions on how to leave a review on Apple Podcasts. 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Season 2; Episode 7: The Unexpected Impact of Design with Guy Geier Guy Geier is the Managing Partner of FXCollaborative, and is responsible for the strategic direction of the firm and its operations. As an architect and senior leader for over 40 years, he is particularly passionate about how design impacts people and how they work; businesses and how they organize themselves to do great work; and at the same time how to minimize carbon imprint on the environment. His primary focus is having a strategic impact within a larger mission. Key Takeaways from this Episode: ·       Every decision needs to be made in its own context.  · Think of everything you do as having an impact. Everything you do think about how you're going to leave the world in a better place than you found it. · Understand the interrelationship of everything you do and how it impacts each other. · It doesn't matter what it looks like, what matters is that you're continually exploring. · Create a culture of feedback by cultivating a real and vibrant dialogue with your team, with your clients. · Using drawing as a problem-solving technique. · Be flexible and open to new ideas, don't restrict your thinking. · You don't have to be like everybody else; you can be different and still find your way in the world and do great work.    Resources · Open Architecture: Guy Geier at TEDxTimesSquare · Eero Saarinen, a Finnish-American architect and industrial designer To learn more about my work in executive coaching, leadership development and team effectiveness check out my website, connect with me on LinkedIn or email me at winnie@winnifred.org.   Reach out and tell me what was helpful about today's episode or any suggestions you have for my show. Please leave a review and tell someone else about this show; look below for some instructions on how to leave a review on Apple Podcasts. I look forward to sharing another transformative conversation with you next week! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ How to leave a rating or review in Apple Podcasts (on an iOS device) 1. Open the Podcasts app. 2. Choose “Search” from the bottom row of icons and enter the name of the show (i.e., “Transformative Leadership Conversations”) into the search field 3. Select the show under Shows (not under Episodes) 4. Scroll down past the first few episodes until you see Ratings & Reviews 5. Click “Write a Review” underneath the displayed reviews from other listeners. You'll then have the option to rate us on a 5-star scale, and write a review if you choose (you can rate without writing, if you'd prefer)

Season 2; Episode 6: Cash in Your Lottery Ticket with Jeff Harry Jeff Harry is the Founder of Rediscover Your Play and his mission is to build psychologically safe workplaces through positive psychology and play. He was selected by Engagedly as one of the Top 100 HR Influencers of 2020 and one of the Top HR Influencers to Watch by BambooHR for his organizational development work around addressing toxicity in the workplace. His play work has been featured in the NY Times, The SF Chronicle, and CNN. His mission is to fully embrace our own playful nerdy genius — whatever that is — and by simply unleashing our inner child, we can find our purpose and, in turn, help to create a better world. Key Takeaways from this Episode: · We're all sitting on a winning lottery ticket. To change the world all you need to do is do the thing that makes you come most alive. Then other people can join you. · Play is any joyful act where you forget about time; where there is no result; there is no purpose; you don't have anxiety about the future; you don't have regrets about the past; you are fully in the moment; you are fully in flow. The opposite of play is perfection, and perfection is rooted in shame and ego.  · You can't play while you're in an anxiety ridden state. You can't play when you're angry, you can play when you're tired. · Adults are so fixated on results expectations are such the thief of joy. Results are not what's going to bring us happiness. Create more fun, joy, play moments with my family, and have that as a priority. · How many people do you hang out with that you consider playful? How many people can you be your real self with? And if not, how do we change that?  · Your future is where the fun is.  · Ask yourself, what did you love to do as a kid?  · You either go into a conversation to be right or you go into a conversation to understand. · Play addresses and builds psychologically safe workspaces using positive psychology in play. The best organizations have psychological safety. · FEAR: False Evidence Appearing Real.  · Learn how to deal with toxic people! · Understand your inner critic! · How do I get paid to do exactly what I would do even if no one was paying me?  · If things are going well OR things are going badly; ask yourself this: How can it get any better than this?  Resources · Steven Berlin Johnson, an American popular science author and media theorist. · Gay Hendricks is a psychologist, writer, and teacher in the field of personal growth, relationships, and body intelligence. · Marcus Buckingham is an English author, motivational speaker and business consultant. · Eric Bailey is the author of The Cure for Stupidity. · Gwen Gordon is a transformation coach, consultant, creative producer. · Stephen Warley is a business coach. · Lauren Yee is the Founder & COO at this.us.now. · Guy Starts Dance Party To learn more about my work in executive coaching, leadership development and team effectiveness check out my website, connect with me on LinkedIn or email me at winnie@winnifred.org.   Reach out and tell me what was helpful about today's episode or any suggestions you have for my show. Please leave a review and tell someone else about this show; look below for some instructions on how to leave a review on Apple Podcasts. I look forward to sharing another transformative conversation with you next week! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ How to leave a rating or review in Apple Podcasts (on an iOS device) 1. Open the Podcasts app. 2. Choose “Search” from the bottom row of icons and enter the name of the show (i.e., “Transformative Leadership Conversations”) into the search field 3. Select the show under Shows (not under Episodes) 4. Scroll down past the first few episodes until you see Ratings & Reviews 5. Click “Write a Review” underneath the displayed reviews from other listeners. You'll then have the option to rate us on a 5-star scale, and write a review if you choose (you can rate without writing, if you'd prefer)

Colin Hunter is the CEO of Potential Squared International which delivers high impact leadership assessment and development solutions. Their purpose is to create a measurable global playground that disrupts the way people are led and to uncover heroes, innovators, and future leaders. With over 70 consultants based in the UK, Europe, USA, India, Asia and South Africa, Potential Squared International is truly a global team.  Key Takeaways from this Episode: Experimentation  · We need to create a fun playground to develop leaders. · Creating a place to experiment. A playground can help you with your fear of failure. You want to help people learn how to make mistakes, learn fast and then grow. · When things are going well, go and tell your client when things are going badly run and tell your client. · Do experiments, have a hypothesis, and then evaluate. Authenticity  · I felt like I was being listened to and I became myself for the first time. · Authenticity is changeable; it's not what you always are, it's who you are becoming too. · Many leaders adopt other people's metrics. They don't take time to think about their own leading indicators and their own measures of success. Creating Disciplines in Business & Leadership · Don't work in circles. Keep the operating rhythm of the business going. Put in place rigor, discipline, systems and habits. · We don't rise to the level of objectives; we fall to the level of our systems. · With a control freak if you remove the control all you've got is the freak. · Making the case to create an advisory board (especially for Founder/CEO's) and creating a client advisory board to co-create and collaborate on new products and ideas. · A core part of leadership is having the systems and disciplines in place to be mentally and physically fit and healthy. The Lord of the Rings can guide your leadership! Resources · Be More Wrong by Colin Hunter · Antifragile: Things That Gain from Disorder by Nassim Nicholas Taleb · Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking by Susan Cain  · Atomic Habits by James Clear · The Coaching Habit by Michael Bungay Stanier · The Infinite Game by Simon Sinek · TedTalk: Embracing Otherness, Embracing Myself by Thandiwe Newton To learn more about my work in executive coaching, leadership development and team effectiveness check out my website, connect with me on LinkedIn or email me at winnie@winnifred.org. Reach out and tell me what was helpful about today's episode or any suggestions you have for my show. Please leave a review and tell someone else about this show; look below for some instructions on how to leave a review on Apple Podcasts. I look forward to sharing another transformative conversation with you next week! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ How to leave a rating or review in Apple Podcasts (on an iOS device) 1. Open the Podcasts app. 2. Choose “Search” from the bottom row of icons and enter the name of the show (i.e., “Transformative Leadership Conversations”) into the search field 3. Select the show under Shows (not under Episodes) 4. Scroll down past the first few episodes until you see Ratings & Reviews 5. Click “Write a Review” underneath the displayed reviews from other listeners. You'll then have the option to rate us on a 5-star scale, and write a review if you choose (you can rate without writing, if you'd prefer)

Season 2; Episode 4: Leaders Don't Always Have the Answers with Christina Callas Christina Callas is a dynamic digital-retail leader who drives rapid, profitable growth for iconic omnichannel retailers. She especially enjoys growing and maximizing the operating performance for challenging business environments. She is currently the EVP and Chief Digital Officer at Total Wine & More which is known as the country's largest independent retailer of fine wine and spirits operating in over 200 super stores across 23 states – and scaling rapidly. She's worked previously at Children's Place, Hudson's Bay Company and Aeropostale. She has her MBA from Columbia Business School. Key Takeaways from this Episode: You Don't Have All the Answers · Sometimes you need to acknowledge that you don't have all the answers.  · You can give people a path forward without having all the answers.  Authenticity and Vulnerability  · People want to be authentic about who they are at work. · If you are going to ask people to be vulnerable, you must be vulnerable even if it's not your most comfortable state. Leading During the Pandemic  · Learning to respect the ways the pandemic impacts people differently and yet also being fair and equitable across the organization.  · People have demonstrated tremendous strength as people have navigated their lives during the pandemic. This strength needs to be acknowledged. · In this environment, leaders need to stop and slow down. Leadership Lessons · Ask the next question, listen, let people talk, see what they have to offer.  · “Be brief, be bright, be gone”; distill the complexity into that big idea, communicate it well and then go make it happen. · Translate your ideas into a language that the audience can understand. You can't just do good work you also have to sell that idea too.  · What's the story; tell the story if you want people to change their behaviors and do business differently. And then model that behavior. Women in Business  · We need to ensure that women in businesses are being represented in the workplace, and that everybody has an equal opportunity at mobility within the organization. · Unconscious bias is real and it's pervasive. Don't think you're top of mind for somebody because the work you've done has been great or they complimented you in a meeting. Tell people I'm interested; I want to move up.  · As you become more comfortable with yourself you will embrace your unique voice and unique point of view. · When getting feedback that's not helpful, ask questions, find out what they're really trying to tell you. Career Guidance  · Raise your hand and say yes. · Find out where you can be helpful, think about what motivates you, seek out pockets of opportunity and then figure out how to fill them.  · Let people know you're there and you're interested and ready when the opportunity arises. It's all about timing. · Consider interesting opportunities that pop up even if they might be flawed. · Don't be afraid of lateral moves.  · When there's disruptive change in business, some people say, stay the course, we know what we're doing. Other businesses say, the landscape has changed, we've got to go figure out how to meet these new challenges. Think like the second business throughout your career. To learn more about my work in executive coaching, leadership development and team effectiveness check out my website, connect with me on LinkedIn or email me at winnie@winnifred.org.   Reach out and tell me what was helpful about today's episode or any suggestions you have for my show. Please leave a review and tell someone else about this show; look below for some instructions on how to leave a review on Apple Podcasts. I look forward to sharing another transformative conversation with you next week! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ How to leave a rating or review in Apple Podcasts (on an iOS device) 1. Open the Podcasts app. 2. Choose “Search” from the bottom row of icons and enter the name of the show (i.e., “Transformative Leadership Conversations”) into the search field 3. Select the show under Shows (not under Episodes) 4. Scroll down past the first few episodes until you see Ratings & Reviews 5. Click “Write a Review” underneath the displayed reviews from other listeners. You'll then have the option to rate us on a 5-star scale, and write a review if you choose (you can rate without writing, if you'd prefer)

Season 2; Episode 3: Our Stories Beyond the 9 to 5 with Kerel Cooper Kerel Cooper is the Chief Marketing Officer at LiveIntent, one of Business Insider's hottest AdTech companies two years in a row. Kerel is responsible for the overall business marketing strategy which includes advertising, branding, product marketing, and public relations. Kerel has emerged as one of LiveIntent's leading voices in the industry. Kerel is also the co-founder and co-host of Minority Report podcast which highlights people of color, women & LGBTQ+ community within business, media, and technology. Kerel was also included in Crain's New York Business Notable Black Leaders and Executives 2021 list. Key Takeaways from this Episode: People's Stories · Everyone has their own story, and everyone's story is personal to them. People are much deeper than what we see from someone nine to five.  · People's perspectives on life and on their job is shaped by their background, their upbringing, the experiences that they've had along the way.  · I always learn something new when I'm interviewing someone I've known for a while on my podcast. Because I only knew that person from a 9 to 5 perspective. Peeling back the onion allows you to get to know people on a deeper level.  · With COVID and the change to working from home has blended the professional and the personal in ways none of us ever experienced before. We know more about each other and our entire situation because of the pandemic. Delegation & Trust · Your number one job as a leader is to focus on your team. Position your team to be as successful: clear barriers, listen, have a point of view so you can point them in the right direction. When I hire talented people, my job is to make sure they utilize their talents to the best of their ability to do an awesome job.  · Earlier in my career transitioning to letting go was very difficult. I thought if I'm going to do it the way I want it to be done, I might as well do it myself. But if I did that, I wasn't going to grow my career and scale if I held on and tried to do everything.  · As I grow my career, that creates more room for people to grow their careers. If I'm not evolving and moving, then I'm creating a ceiling for the people that are below me. And then at some point they're going to leave. · One quality a great leader has is trust. You must trust the people you've hired and let them make decisions.  Developing People · I keep a “Family Tree” of the people I've hired or mentored or managed at some point in their career and keep track of their promotions, their next job, how their career is moving forward.  · We need to give people a deeper level of flexibility and empathy and listening. Listening to your team is critical; truly listening to what they're saying, listening to the challenges that they have, listening to the opinions that they have, and then figuring out the best way to help.  Career Guidance · Don't have blinders on regarding your next job or where your career may go. It may not always be the way you planned it out and that's okay because the world is changing. Practice your craft and be open to different doors that might open. · You have challenges and you have failures that you need to learn from; never get too high on a success and never get too low on a failure. One failure doesn't define your career or who you are or what you've done in your career. Taking Care of Yourself · Mental and physical health is super important as a leader. Figure out what works for you to make sure that you're taking care of yourself mentally and physically. Our health is the most important thing that we must protect. · You can't really lead and take care of the people on your team if you're not okay. Representation & Relationships  · Being a leader as a person of color is something I think about and carry with me every single day. Using my position of privilege to open doors for others is a responsibility I take very seriously. It motivates me to perform at a high level on a day-to-day basis. · To create more representation and to help others I'm the chairperson of our diversity equity and inclusion executive committee at LiveIntent, I'm a board member at Marketing EDGE and I'm an advisor to a company called the VR Perspectives.  · Kids need to be exposed to people that don't look like them, don't talk like them or come from different cultures. The more kids can be exposed to others I think the better off we will be as a society. Also, travel is one of the greatest gifts a parent can give to a kid.  Links & Resources: · Minority Report: Kerel is the co-founder and co-host of Minority Report podcast which highlights people of color, women & LGBTQ+ community within business, media, and technology. · Marketing EDGE: During our 55-year history, Marketing EDGE has served more than 110,000 students. Through our programs, we impact students, academics, and the industry-at-large – executives and corporations by forging personal relationships to expand access to insights and opportunities that drive career advancement; and by evolving to meet changing market needs. · VR Perspectives: Leverages virtual reality to train organizations on conscious inclusion. To learn more about my work in executive coaching, leadership development and team effectiveness check out my website, connect with me on LinkedIn or email me at winnie@winnifred.org.   Reach out and tell me what was helpful about today's episode or any suggestions you have for my show. Please leave a review and tell someone else about this show; look below for some instructions on how to leave a review on Apple Podcasts. 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Season 2; Episode 1: You're Invited To Be In “The Frame” with Jeehae Lee   Jeehae Lee serves as Partner and Deputy Chief Investment Officer of Bridge Debt Strategies. She has worked in real estate, securitization and financial services for the last 17 years. Jeehae tells the story about being a first-generation American and how a little girl in kindergarten befriended her when she could only say five words in English: “Hi, My Name is Jeehae”. Fast forward a few years later, and she is determined to invite people like her into what she calls “The Frame”.  Key Takeaways from this Episode: We need to invite more people into “The Frame”. The frame is where the center of attention is, who gets credit, who gets to speak, who gets promoted. But older white males have traditionally dominated the frame for too long. It doesn't mean that other people – people who have been marginalized – are not there. We need to broaden the frame, zoom out. We need to offer more invitations to pull people into the frame. When you are the person who's “different” in the room and biases might exist but then the moment you start talking about your expertise you can see their faces change. That's empowering. Embrace a “Teachable Spirit” in everything you do and with everyone you interact with. Always think about how you can learn from others no matter who they are or what title they have. Invest in relationships by spending time, asking questions; this leads to trust and better performance. Being a great leader is figuring out the value of people and how I'm adding value to their work. Be confident in what you know, don't get worried about what you don't know. Confidence is not what you know now, it's knowing you can be more than what you know today. The number one advice I give: ask more questions and don't see it as a weakness. When you say you don't know something, that provides an opening to learn. People are so focused on: What if I fail? What if I can't do it? What if I look silly? Instead, focus on: What if I am supposed to cure cancer? What if I'm supposed to be the next, CEO of Microsoft? To learn more about my work in executive coaching, leadership development and team effectiveness check out my website, connect with me on LinkedIn or email me at winnie@winnifred.org.   Reach out and tell me what was helpful about today's episode or any suggestions you have for my show. Please leave a review and tell someone else about this show; look below for some instructions on how to leave a review on Apple Podcasts. I look forward to sharing another transformative conversation with you next week! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ How to leave a rating or review in Apple Podcasts (on an iOS device) 1. Open the Podcasts app. 2. Choose “Search” from the bottom row of icons and enter the name of the show (i.e., “Transformative Leadership Conversations”) into the search field 3. Select the show under Shows (not under Episodes) 4. Scroll down past the first few episodes until you see Ratings & Reviews 5. Click “Write a Review” underneath the displayed reviews from other listeners. You'll then have the option to rate us on a 5-star scale, and write a review if you choose (you can rate without writing, if you'd prefer)

Hi, Welcome to Season Two of Transformative Leadership Conversations, with me, your host, Winnie da Silva. As an Executive Coach and Leadership Strategist for over twenty years, I believe leadership matters. I believe stories make a difference. And I believe we could all use some help and inspiration as leaders ourselves. So, I'm thrilled to be back with you for another amazing line up of conversations with everyday leaders who are willing to share their stories of overcoming difficult challenges and the hard-earned wisdom and insight that can only come from experience. Let's get a peek into who we'll get to hear from in Season 2 which kicks off on May 12th!  · Jeehae Lee: is the Deputy CIO at Bridge Investment Group who is determined make room for people who might be perhaps less visible – her story about coming to this country as a kindergartener made me cry  · Andy Stern and John Rigos: Seasoned Entrepreneurs who went from tech start-ups to putting their energy and passion into reinventing the hospitality fast casual restaurant industry  · Kerel Cooper: the CMO of Live Intent AND the host of the podcast Minority Report which highlights people of color, women & LGBTQ+ community within business, media, and tech talks about his own career trajectory and the barriers he overcame. · Christina Callas: the CDO of Total Wine talks about how the pandemic impacted her team and her family. · Colin Hunter: the CEO of Potential Squared, the author of the upcoming book Be More Wrong and the host of the upcoming podcast with the same name – which both highlight success in failure and how it really does make you a better leader. You can imagine what we talked about Being Wrong - including his own stories and why this topic is close to his heart. · Jeff Harry: is on a mission to build psychologically safe workplaces through positive psychology and play – you won't want to miss this one – he becomes my play therapist right in the middle of our conversation! And you guessed it – our conversation is really fun! · Guy Geier: the MP of FXCollaborative, an architecture firm in NYC; he reflects on his journey as a leader through many catastrophic events over the past 20 years. · Ethan Frisch and Ori Zohar: Social Entrepreneurs who started Burlap & Barrel, the first comprehensive single origin spice company in the United States. You know what that means? The spices they sell are sold directly from the people who grow them – and they are AMAZING. My daughter Aradhana and I have used these fresh spices in our own cooking.  · And lastly, but certainly not least, I talk with Gina L. Osborn: an Army Veteran and former FBI special agent and the host of the podcast Lead Like a Lady where she talks with other amazing women like her who have emerged as leaders in primarily male dominated fields. She's a powerhouse of wisdom and boldness for women certainly – but really for everyone. And somewhere in there, I'm also going to have a surprise “guest”; my grandfather. He died 35 years ago when I was in high school. But last year, I did some research with my Dad and I want to share with you his story too. And I'll also offer some reflections sprinkled throughout the season. I can't wait to share these people and their stories with you.  Thank you for supporting me and this podcast!  As you listen to these conversations and felt its impact, could you tell someone about Transformative Leadership Conversations with Winnie da Silva? You can forward them this episode, post about it on social, or text someone who might be interested in listening. If you could share just once, I'd be grateful.  Also feel free to reach out to me at https://www.winniedasilva.com to learn more about my work in executive coaching, leadership development and team effectiveness. Lastly, if you have your own story of overcoming a leadership challenge you'd like to share, please email me at winnie@winnifred.org – maybe I'll even have you on my show!

Wingdings with time on their hands. Scam is life. A chat with my Boston Boo Erica Thomson-Moseley. You can find Erica on Twitter @SenoraErica. You can find me on Twitter @MostlyMax and on IG @MostlyMaxandotherthings.

What Is Karama - Karma is getting back whatever it is you put forth. Whether that is good or bad.  Do you believe there is Good Karma and Bad Karma?  I know I do. I've done  some bad things in my life and those things I've done came back. well I should say they came back like a boomerang. I've done some great things in my life as well and those great things came back. Like a boomerang. Do you know Every Action has a Reaction no matter what it is you do? Understanding Karma can help a person to change bad habits, or by understanding karma we can also look at our behaviors and understand why we receive the luck we get. The 12 Laws of Karma are all about the positive or negative valance of our words, thoughts and deeds. Karma is connected to ideas about accepting the truth about your reality. When you live in accordance with the 12 laws of karma, you will create good Karma in your life, theoretically increasingly the likelihood for good things to happen to you and for you. I know I want some good things to happen for me and you as well. So, lets learn about the 12 laws of karma and how we can apply them to our daily lives. Contact JS Self-Care - https://linktr.ee/Jsselfcare https://www.instagram.com/jsselfcare/ JSSELFCARE.ORG https://www.facebook.com/groups/488120361814671/   Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes only. The host claims no responsibility to any person or entity for any liability, loss or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly as a result of use of the application or interpretation of the information presented in this podcast.

Episode 10: The Stories We Tell Ourselves with Peter Axelson Peter Axelson leads Garnet Consulting and has worked as an external consultant in training, coaching and organizational development for more than 35 years. Clients tell him that they bring him back because of his high standards for client service, his focus on behavioral change and business results and his very practical approach to helping people learn and grow.  On this podcast, we've listened to a really interesting variety of leaders sharing their stories about a particular leadership challenge they've faced, how they've overcome that challenge and what drives them forward during times of change and adversity.  The next two episodes of Transformative Leadership Conversations with Winnie da Silva are going to be a bit different. This next conversation will be divided into two episodes and they will also be the final episodes for Season One.  I wanted to take this opportunity to take a look back, reflect and go a bit deeper on a few themes that have emerged from Season One. The first one is about stories and how the stories we have running in our heads can either propel us forward or get in the way of our success. But before we get into unpacking the concept of stories and its impact on behavior and results, let's look back on a few episodes where my guests pointed to the ways stories have impacted their leadership journey…   Dilip DaSilva the Founder and CEO of VDX.tv and Exponential sums up his experience of stories this way… “I've realized that often the hurdles you personally have just things in your own mind.”   Nathan Knight the Director of People Development at Better explains how stories can mislead us… “The other part was this myth I had created in my mind we tell ourselves stories to make sense of situations. And sometimes those stories are not productive.”   Sanjit Sethi the President of the Minneapolis College of Art & Design talks about reframing our stories… “The goal is to take a disability or take what seems like a disability and reframe it as an asset.”   Mandy Pulliam the Chief Medical Officer at Renovia, Inc. gives a vivid example of rejecting someone else's story about her… “I wanted to apologize so many times during that surgery when he was making me feel bad, but I decided that I was only going to apologize if I had done something wrong.” Key Takeaways from this Episode: Our stories directly influence our behavior which drives results Stories fit into two categories: stories about me, stories about other people and stories about how things are When there is a result we're not happy with (our performance, a relationship that's gone sideways, a conflict within the organization) we need to look back on what behaviors have contributed to that result and from there what are the stories or beliefs we have that are driving those behaviors Ask opened ended questions to uncover the stories influencing our behaviors It boils down to self-awareness – you need to catch yourself in your stories as they happen To achieve a different result, our behaviors need to change and therefore we must adopt new stories Tap into curiosity to uncover your stories Stories are usually deeply unconscious and sometimes reflect what we have always fundamentally believed Assumptions and prejudices about people who are different from us can unconsciously shape our stories To learn more about my work in executive coaching, leadership development and team effectiveness check out my website, connect with me on LinkedIn or email me at winnie@winnifred.org. Reach out and tell me what was helpful about today's episode or any suggestions you have for my show. Please leave a review and tell someone else about this show.

Journey to Self-Care with special guest JAI form Just An Inspiration. · Self-Hatred  · Gun Violence Survivor  · Certified Hope Dealer  On December 2017 Jai was shot point blank range with RIP bullets multiple times. These bullets are treacherous with a design to cause irreparable damage and they can make you instantly bleed out.  Nobody But God!! Jai is still here breathing, believing, and achieving. Jai is an amazing miracle of God! Jai Supers power is he believes in Miracles. Jai Words  “Sometimes the miracle is just a change in Perspective”  “Being accepted is the root cause to all evil< Not MONEY” Jai's wants to the world to know if you ever, ever, need someone to talk to or pray with you, call him 404-441-6956. Jai never wants anyone to feel like they have no one to talk to. His Soul is addicted to healing.  Contact Jai on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/oneshotatlove/ Facebook  https://www.facebook.com/jailashawn   If you would like to speak with Janell please click the Linktree.  https://linktr.ee/Jsselfcare