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Although markets may recalibrate to a different policy playbook under the new Fed chair Kevin Warsh, housing could remain in a holding pattern. Our co-heads of Securitized Products Research Jay Bacow and James Egan explain why.Read more insights from Morgan Stanley.----- Transcript -----Jay Bacow: Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Jay Bacow, co-head of Securitized Products Research at Morgan Stanley. James Egan: And I'm Jim Egan, the other co-head of Securitized Products Research at Morgan Stanley. Jay Bacow: Today, the glow has maybe worn off the championship of the Knicks, so we can talk about the impact of Warsh on the mortgage and housing market. It's Friday, June 26th at 10am in New York. James Egan: If we have to stop talking about the Knicks, we can stop talking about the Knicks. But Jay, I think one of the things, if we take a little bit of a step back in mortgage markets, in housing markets, in fixed income markets more broadly – from the beginning of the year to now, we've gone from the market pricing in 2.5 cuts from the Fed by the end of 2026, to the market pricing in roughly 1.5 hikes. 100 basis point difference in market expectations over the course of the past five and a half months. Now, that's happened at different times, with different levels of velocity and severity. But one of the key talking points we have now is – we have a new Fed chair. We had the first FOMC meeting and his press conference after that last Wednesday. What do you think that means for mortgage markets, for volatility? How are you thinking about this? Jay Bacow: look, Jim, it's a great question, and we've got asked that by a number of different investors. Chair Warsh has been pretty clear that he thinks people should do more of what they're good at and less of what they're not good at. And so, he's felt like the Fed should keep their communication on future guidance relatively short. And so, with less forward guidance from the Fed, the market has more uncertainty, and more uncertainty translates into more volatility. And more volatility is generally bad for the mortgage market, given that investors are short the option to the homeowner to refinance. Furthermore, shifting from expectations of the Fed cutting to expectations of the Fed hiking generally makes it a little bit less favorable environment for investors like banks and overseas investors to come to the mortgage market. James Egan: Alright. Now, we've been on this podcast several times this year where we've talked about, you mentioned banks... We've talked about deregulation. We've talked about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the GSEs – them buying mortgages, that being constructive for our mortgage view.Is that still the case, or how are you layering that into your thought process? Jay Bacow: now? That's definitely still the case. Those things haven't changed. The deregulation is still flowing through the markets. That longer term should be supportive of bank demand in aggregate, although obviously there are a number of different regulations going through. The GSEs are still forecasted to buy 200 billion mortgages on behalf of President Trump's initiative. So, that's why we're just sort of tactically negative – those technicals are very strong in an environment where there really has not been much supply. Now, some of that supply is because mortgage rates are still in the context of 6.5 percent. Some of that is because with mortgage rates at 6.5 percent, there hasn't been that much housing activity. So, Jim, turning it to you, what is the outlook for the housing market in a world where they are expecting the Fed to hike and rates to stay elevated? James Egan: Right. So, the main thing that we focus on from a housing market perspective is less specifically Fed action and more the 5- and 10-year part of the curve.So, when you start to say something like you're tactically negative mortgage-backed securities here – how can I interpret that from a mortgage rate perspective? Jay Bacow: If we're tactically negative, it's more of a small move than some massive move. And as you said, and we've talked about on this call beforehand, realistically, the mortgage rate is a little bit less dependent on the Fed policy rate and more around the belly of the Treasury curve. And, you know, what's going to happen with the belly of the Treasury curve is going to be dependent on sort of market expectations along with what's happening in the geopolitical situation. So realistically, if you've written down that the mortgage rate is 6.5 percent right now, our view probably doesn't change things too much. James Egan: And if that's the case, then affordability in the housing market, as we've been talking about, is going to continue to be challenged. And what we think that means from a housing activity perspective is any upside that we really thought would have been there gets pretty significantly capped. But the same side of this token – or the other side of this token, if you will, we do think that the current level is well-supported here. There's some level of housing activity that has to occur regardless of where affordability is, and we think we found that. We're at 40-year lows from a turnover perspective. From the fourth quarter of 2023 through now, we've been roughly at the same level. That's 11 consecutive quarters now. We think this is the kind of base level for people that need to transact regardless of where mortgage rates are. So, the more that the rate environment remains challenged, the more that we kind of hang in this low to mid 6 percent mortgage rate environment. We just think that that continues to curtail upside. So, it's a housing market and a housing activity space that continues to very much just remain stuck in neutral. Jay Bacow: Alright. So, if we're in this new environment and the Fed might be hiking, it's not great locally for mortgage valuations. Housing market more broadly, probably kind of stuck in neutral here. Jim, always a pleasure speaking with you. James Egan: And always great speaking to you too, Jay. And to all of our regular listeners, thank you for adding us to your playlist. Let us know what you think wherever you get this podcast and share Thoughts on the Market with a friend or colleague today. Jay Bacow: And go smash that subscribe button.
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Alan Greenspan's Legacy and the New Fed Chair. Guest: Elizabeth Peek. This segment reflects on the passing of Alan Greenspan and the transition to Kevin Warsh as Federal Reserve Chair. Peek highlights Warsh's goal to reform data collection and move away from forecasting, favoring real-time data over the traditional, often confusing, communication styles of his predecessors like Greenspan. 119202
Kevin Warsh's Reformist Vision for the Federal Reserve. Guest: Joseph Sternberg. Sternberg analyzes Kevin Warsh's first FOMC meeting, noting a shift toward shorter policy statements and the removal of the "dot plot" forecasting tool. Warsh is initiating five task forces to reform the Fed's intellectual framework, specifically targeting productivity, data quality, and balance sheet management. 7
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Schanzer describes the newly established Memo of Understanding as a "dog's breakfast" that grants the Iranian regime significant sanctions relief and upfront cash. He argues the agreement appears to be an American defeat, particularly regarding the shaky nuclear inspection protocols and the uncertain status of the Strait of Hormuz. 3Hezbollah's Role and the Fog of Middle East Diplomacy. Guest: Jonathan Schanzer. The discussion focuses on Hezbollah as a "wholly owned subsidiary" of Iran, with the IRGC directing its activities in Lebanon. Schanzer criticizes the administration for expecting Israel to adhere to a ceasefire while Iran continues to provoke attacks, labeling the current diplomatic strategy as improvised and potentially harmful. 4Secretary Rubio's Reassurance Mission to Gulf Allies. Guest: Mary Kissel. Secretary of State Marco Rubio travels to the Gulf to reassure the UAE, Kuwait, and Bahrain of U.S. security commitments following Iranian attacks. Kissel criticizes the administration for granting Iran sanctions relief and 60-day exemptions, arguing that the diplomatic effort prioritizes "hope over experience" regarding Iranian nuclear ambitions. 5The Impact of Foreign Policy on Domestic Midterms. Guest: Mary Kissel. Kissel examines whether foreign policy influences American voters, noting it is rare compared to "pocketbook" issues like inflation and interest rates. She warns that adversarial regimes like Iran and China are sophisticated observers of the U.S. electoral calendar and may attempt to influence domestic politics. 6Kevin Warsh's Reformist Vision for the Federal Reserve. Guest: Joseph Sternberg. Sternberg analyzes Kevin Warsh's first FOMC meeting, noting a shift toward shorter policy statements and the removal of the "dot plot" forecasting tool. Warsh is initiating five task forces to reform the Fed's intellectual framework, specifically targeting productivity, data quality, and balance sheet management. 7The Turmoil of British Leadership and the Labour Party. Guest: Joseph Sternberg. This segment explores the potential replacement of Keir Starmer with Andy Burnham as UK Prime Minister. Sternberg argues that Labour's struggles go beyond charisma, involving a lack of clear economic direction and the failure to address core voter concerns like the broken NHS and illegal immigration. 8The Geopolitical Chessboard of the Strait of Hormuz. Guest: Gregory Copley. Copley discusses the power struggles within Iran and the strategic card of the Strait of Hormuz. He notes that while the strait is "more or less open," the situation remains in flux, with regional players like Turkey seeking to thwart Iranian ambitions in the Mediterranean. 9Xi Jinping's Strategic Outreach to North Korea. Guest: Gregory Copley. Xi Jinping's visit to Pyongyang is seen as a move to reassert Chinese influence over North Korea as Kim Jong-un shifts away from communist identity. Kim is positioning himself as an equal to Xi while strengthening his ties with Russia, creating a complex ideological shift in the region. 10British Political Fragmentation and the Immigration Crisis. Guest: Gregory Copley. Britain has seen seven prime ministers in ten years due to political fragmentation over illegal immigration and European relations. Copley suggests that the Labour Party is failing to represent the British working class, which favors traditional values and stricter border controls, leading to a rise in alternative parties. 11The Crown as a Symbol of British Identity. Guest: Gregory Copley. Amidst political instability, King Charles III is viewed as a dynamic symbol of national dignity and continuity. The segment discusses the King's role in stabilizing the United Kingdom following Prime Minister Starmer's resignation and managing sensitive royal family matters to preserve the image of the monarchy. 12Recovering the Original Understanding of Unalienable Rights. Guest: Peter Berkowitz. Berkowitz reflects on the 2019 Commission on Unalienable Rights, which sought to ground human rights in the American founding tradition. The commission aimed to counter the "proliferating industry" of rights that often serves partisan progressive ends, emphasizing the Universal Declaration of Human Rights' original austere framework. 13Unalienable Rights and the Challenge of Foreign Policy. Guest: Peter Berkowitz. This segment discusses applying founding principles to modern diplomacy, specifically condemning the Chinese Communist Party's crimes against the Uyghurs. Berkowitz argues that despite economic entanglements, the United States must maintain its dedication to universal principles and use its diplomatic toolbox to address massive human rights violations. 14The Strategic Failure of the Iran Memo of Understanding. Guest: Thaddeus McCotter. McCotter analyzes the Memo of Understanding, highlighting unresolved issues like the Strait of Hormuz and the $80 billion war funding request. He argues the administration is trying to make kinetic action palatable to voters while failing to secure meaningful concessions on Iran's nuclear program or its sponsorship of terrorism. 15The Republican Fissures and Potential Third-Party Movements. Guest: Thaddeus McCotter. The discussion centers on Tucker Carlson's potential departure from the Republican Party over foreign policy disagreements. McCotter suggests this reflects deeper fault lines within the MAGA base, where isolationist tendencies and dissatisfaction with the administration's relationship with allies like Israel could lead to future political discord. 16
There's a new boss over at the Federal Reserve. Is he going to be any different than the old boss? Midweek Memo host Mike Maharrey delved into that question this week. He notes that Warsh certainly sounds different. But he's stepping into the same situation that Jerome Powell left. Mike explains why that will likely limit Warsh's options, meaning the old new boss may end up acting just like the old boss when it's all said and done. Mike also highlights the ever-growing Debt Black hole by breaking down the May federal budget deficit numbers.
In Episode 193 of Facts vs Feelings, Ryan Detrick, Chief Market Strategist at Carson Group, and Sonu Varghese, Chief Macro Strategist at Carson Group, talk about the passing of former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan and what his 18-year tenure actually produced for markets.Kevin Warsh's first Fed meeting as chair featured a statement that clocked in at roughly 130 words and told markets almost nothing about how the new Fed intends to make decisions.Sonu makes the case that despite all the hawkish headlines, dot plot drama, and a two-year yield that jumped 16 basis points on Fed day (the largest single-day move on a Fed decision since 2008), actual real policy rates are more accommodative now than they were in March. The committee is split 9-9 on whether to hike this year, Warsh has opted out of the dot plot entirely, and inflation is running well above target, with core PCE likely to finish the year above 3.3%.Apple's announcement that iPhone prices are going up due to memory chip shortages puts a real-world face on the inflation story. PPI for semiconductor chips and printed circuit boards is running above 100% annualized. Meanwhile the Dow, Russell 2000, and S&P MidCap 400 all closed at all-time highs last Thursday, which is the market's own vote on whether any of this is a crisis. The episode closes with a look at sector leadership, why communication services being down 6% to 7% year-to-date while tech is up 33% is genuinely strange, and why momentum breaking down is the signal to potentially worry about and why it isn't breaking down yet.Key Takeaways: Former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan oversaw a 190% gain in the S&P 500 over 18 years, second only to William McChesney Martin. He also presided over two bubbles that burst within a decade, the tech crash, and the housing collapse, producing what remains the worst decade for equity investors in history.Kevin Warsh's first Fed statement came in at roughly 130 words, the shortest non-emergency statement in modern Fed history. He also declined to submit a dot plot projection. The practical effect is that markets are now pricing guidance from the other 18 members, who are not stepping back from the spotlight.The dot plot went 9-9 on whether to hike in 2026. Three months ago, 12 of 19 members expected at least one cut this year. That shift may explain the volatility. 428 S&P 500 stocks fell on Fed day, the broadest single-day decline of the year, but it does not automatically mean the Fed is hawkish.After subtracting the Fed's own inflation projections from its own rate projections, real policy rates are actually more accommodative now than in March, dropping from an implied 0.7% real rate to 0.5%. With core PCE running around 3.5% to 3.8% annualized, the real policy rate is effectively near zero.Apple's decision to raise iPhone prices due to memory chip shortages is the real-world confirmation of a broadening inflation story. PPI for semiconductor chips and printed circuit boards is running above 100% annualized.The Dow Jones Industrial Average, Russell 2000, and S&P MidCap 400 all closed at all-time highs last Thursday. The NYSE advance-decline line and the small cap advance-decline line both hit all-time highs the prior Tuesday.Jump to:0:00 — World Cup Weekend and Father's Day3:07 — Remembering Alan Greenspan's Fed8:05 — A New Chair and a Short Statement13:25 — Dot Plot Split and Market Shock19:45 — Yield Curve Signals and Bond Surprise24:35 — AI Supply Chains and Price Pressure28:20 — The Case for a Dovish Fed34:40 — Economy Strength and Running It Hot37:10 — A Car Break in Reality Check40:35 — Breadth Seasonality and Sector Rotation53:20 — Closing Thoughts and Listener RequestsConnect with Ryan:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryandetrick/• X: https://x.com/RyanDetrickConnect with Sonu:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sonu-varghese-phd/• X: https://x.com/sonusvarghese?lang=enQuestions about the show? We'd love to hear from you! factsvsfeelings@carsongroup.com
In this week's LPL Market Signals, Chief Fixed Income Strategist Lawrence Gillum and Chief Economist Jeffrey Roach break down the first Federal Reserve meeting under new Chair Kevin Warsh, highlighting a more hawkish-than-expected stance, streamlined communication, and the introduction of new task forces focused on inflation, data, and AI. The discussion also reflects on the legacy of Alan Greenspan following his passing, noting his lasting influence on Fed policy and communication. The episode concludes with updated economic projections, including elevated inflation expectations, potential fourth-quarter disinflation, and key risks tied to geopolitics, growth, and labor markets. Tracking: #1129177
Peter Schiff warns the bubble is popping as crypto leads the decline, while the bond market faces another breakdown with the 10-year potentially breaking above 5%. He emphasizes inflation is a choice—all Fed chairs chose it, and Warsh will too despite tough talk, because the alternative is politically unacceptable. He reveals the May deficit surged 30% while interest expense jumped 44%, with annual interest payments now hitting $1.6 trillion and will be $2 trillion by next year. Schiff identifies Japan as a looming harbinger with 250% debt-to-GDP, yields climbing above 4%, and the yen collapsing below 160 with potential for another 30-50% decline. His end game thesis: the US dollar loses reserve currency status, US assets get repriced down, and he's positioning to "have all the chips" at the finish line. Gold's pullback from $5,600 to $4,200 is a "buy the rumor, sell the fact" move, while silver at $65 is headed to $200 and Bitcoin at $64,000 should be sold. GDP growth is an illusion created by faulty deflators that understate inflation; the economy hasn't really expanded, just become more expensive, and stagflationary depression is locked in.Thank you to our sponsors: Kalshi - download the Kalshi app and use code JULIA to get $10 when you trade $10. kalshi.com/julia Monetary Metals - learn more at https://www.monetary-metals.com/julia/Links:https://x.com/PeterSchiffhttps://www.youtube.com/@peterschiffTimestamps: 0:00 Intro and welcome Peter Schiff 00:50 Air coming out of bubble 1:16 Markets too complacent on inflation risks1:45 Warsh has a problem - Hike or no hike, both bad3:36 Inflation is a choice - All Fed chairs chose it5:11 Warsh will choose inflation despite tough talk5:24 Bond market breakdown coming - 10-year to 5%, 30-year to 5.5-6%7:42 May deficit up 30%, interest expense up 44%8:13 Interest payments $1.6 trillion/year, will be $2 trillion next year9:39 Government spending up 50% since COVID, taxes reduced10:57 Inflation is hidden tax - Government prefers it11:52 Iran war costs through inflation, not direct taxation13:49 Wealth tax - Slippery slope, will hit middle class eventually19:56 Japan crisis - Debt to GDP 250%, yen collapsing below 16020:29 Japanese bond yields at 4% on 30-year, rising fast21:45 Japan could sell $1 trillion in US treasuries24:41 Japan harbinger for US crisis24:54 Treasury Secretary Paulson says crisis inevitable27:18 Gold warning sign - Pullback to $4,200 from $5,600 normal29:24 Silver at $65, headed to $20032:39 Stock market at highs but economy worse than Biden36:56 GDP illusion - Deflator too low, just prices not growth39:48 End game - Dollar won't be reserve currency40:40 Playing for end game, wants all chips at finish43:31 Contrarian predictions - Higher rates, higher oil, higher gold44:30 Japan crisis first domino, then dollar next45:01 Summary - Stagflation and end game thesis
Chris Gunster talks about his Fed outlook expectations with Kevin Warsh at the helm. He believes the market is showing confidence Warsh can tame inflation even as the U.S.-Iran war lingers on. Additionally, Chris explains that the heightened inflation expectations are a good thing for the bond market and makes the case of going long in fixed income. ======== Schwab Network ========Empowering every investor and trader, every market day. Subscribe to the Market Minute newsletter - https://schwabnetwork.com/subscribeDownload the iOS app - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/schwab-network/id1460719185Download the Amazon Fire Tv App - https://www.amazon.com/TD-Ameritrade-Network/dp/B07KRD76C7Watch on Sling - https://watch.sling.com/1/asset/191928615bd8d47686f94682aefaa007/watchWatch on Vizio - https://www.vizio.com/en/watchfreeplus-exploreWatch on DistroTV - https://www.distro.tv/live/schwab-network/Follow us on X – https://twitter.com/schwabnetworkFollow us on Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/schwabnetworkFollow us on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/schwab-network/ About Schwab Network - https://schwabnetwork.com/about
Patrick Moorhead and Daniel Newman return from a packed week of travel, covering HPE Discover 2026 and Pure Accelerate hosted by Everpure. They break down the government-forced shutdown of Anthropic's Mythos 5, the Apple-Intel foundry signal, the xAI-Cursor acquisition, and whether enterprise AI spending is actually contracting or simply concentrating. Episode 309 of The Six Five Pod covers the week's events, market moves, and the structural questions that follow. The handpicked topics for this week are: Anthropic Mythos 5 Forced Shutdown: The U.S. government issued a 90-minute compliance window and a worldwide kill switch on Anthropic's Mythos 5 and Claude Fable 5 models, forcing them offline across all geographies. Patrick and Daniel examine what this means beyond the immediate headlines: model access has entered the same geopolitical variable set as semiconductor export controls, and every enterprise CIO now has a new on-premises infrastructure argument on the table. The shutdown also surfaced an unexpected counterpoint from the cybersecurity community, which argued that Mythos 5, operating in a defensive capacity, was itself a protection layer against the use of adversarial models. Anthropic's decision to revoke access globally rather than implement citizenship-based authentication reflected both the 90-minute timeline and the practical impossibility of real-time identity verification at scale. (The Decode) HPE Discover 2026: The Agentic Infrastructure Story: Six Five Media spent multiple days at HPE Discover in Las Vegas, live-streaming coverage that drew more than 30,000 viewers across the event. Patrick and Daniel break down HPE's most complete agentic stack story to date, covering its networking-led compute approach, expanded NVIDIA and Broadcom silicon partnerships, autonomous networking through Marvis, and Juniper's integration into the AMD Helios interconnect as a path into hyperscale deals HPE previously lacked access to. (The Decode) Pure Accelerate 2026 and the Everpure Data Primacy Pitch: At Pure Accelerate, Everpure made its clearest case yet for a data intelligence layer designed to reduce token costs in enterprise AI workflows by operating across any storage vendor, any enterprise application, and without being hard-coded into the underlying array. Patrick and Daniel assess the value proposition and the proof burden separately: the concept is differentiated, particularly against Snowflake and Databricks, in that Everpure does not require its own storage hardware, but the company still needs to demonstrate ROI at scale and earn permission to compete in a market where data platform players have already established category positioning. (The Decode) Apple and Intel: The 18AP Signal and What It Sets Up for 14A: The announcement that Apple will manufacture chips with Intel sent Intel's stock up roughly 10%. The hosts parse what that deal likely looks like in practice: 18AP as a test drive for lower-risk logic-layer parts, with the more consequential milestone being a potential M7 SoC on Intel's 18AP process. The underlying driver is the TSMC capacity constraint, with Samsung logic deals picking up across the industry for the same reason. The real inflection point that Patrick notes is 14A: if Intel's backside power delivery process reaches risk production and scales to iPhone volume by 2028, the strategic weight of the Apple relationship will fully materialize. (The Decode) xAI Acquires Cursor for $60 Billion: Elon Musk's xAI acquired Cursor for $60 billion using equity inflated by SpaceX's IPO run-up, a move Patrick characterizes as buying market position in a category where xAI arrived late, having missed the window on thinking models and tool calling. Cursor brought $4 billion in ARR, 7 million monthly active users, and 50% Fortune 500 penetration into the deal. The open question remains whether xAI can convert that installed base into a durable enterprise AI stack or whether it remains primarily a GPU capacity provider selling at well above neo cloud market rates, with the Google-SpaceX deal drawing additional scrutiny as a related-party transaction preceding the IPO. (The Decode) The Flip: Is Enterprise AI Spending Contracting or Concentrating? Patrick takes the position that enterprise AI is entering a rationing phase, pointing to Accenture's bookings decline, Microsoft cutting developer access to cloud code, Uber blowing through cloud licenses, and the emergence of AI cost management as a venture category as converging proof points. Daniel argues the opposing case: dollar volume is growing even as project counts fall, hyperscaler CapEx guidance continues to accelerate across Microsoft, Google, Amazon, and Meta, and what reads as contraction is the market moving from subsidized pilots to production deployments tied to measurable P&L outcomes. Both agree the hard ROI era is arriving, and the real debate is whether that transition reads as discipline or deceleration on the way in. (The Flip) Fed Chair Kevin Warsh's First Meeting: New Fed Chair Kevin Warsh held rates steady in a unanimous decision but delivered remarks that the market viewed as hawkish, sending the S&P lower and two-year yields up 16 basis points before a partial recovery the following day. Patrick and Daniel note the structural signal beneath the reaction: Warsh is establishing the Fed's independence from political pressure while also signaling an intent to move away from survey-based data that arrives three to six months stale, in favor of more real-time economic inputs. Daniel draws a direct line to the kind of forward-looking data infrastructure that firms like Palantir, Databricks, and Snowflake are positioned to provide at the institutional level. (Bulls and Bears) Iran-Israel-U.S. Developments and Oil Below $80: A Memorandum of Understanding between Iran, Israel, and the U.S. briefly sent oil below $80 and signaled a potential opening of the Strait of Hormuz, though by the time of recording, reports were already emerging that the situation may be reversing. Patrick and Daniel keep it brief: the market has largely looked through the geopolitical noise, rallying through the period of conflict, and the oil price signal matters more to the macro environment than the diplomatic specifics. (Bulls and Bears) Accenture Earnings — The Services Layer Faces the Agentic Reckoning: Accenture beat on earnings but missed on revenue. The company reported a bookings decline of 2%, trimmed its 2026 revenue guide by 3-4%, and saw its worst single-day stock reaction in years. Patrick and Daniel use the result as a structural lens rather than a single-quarter data point: agentic AI and enterprise technology vendors are absorbing exactly the work that large professional services firms have historically owned, and the market is beginning to price that displacement ahead of the labor data catching up. Patrick flags this as the canary in the coal mine for the global services industry broadly. (Bulls and Bears) SpaceX IPO Volatility and Valuation Reality: The SpaceX IPO debuted at $135, surged above $210 on its first day of trading, and finished the week around $181. At its peak, the company briefly surpassed the market capitalizations of both Amazon and Microsoft before pulling back. Patrick and Daniel unpack the gap between the premium investors are assigning to Elon Musk and the company's underlying fundamentals. Despite generating roughly $50 billion in annual revenue, SpaceX remains unprofitable, and upcoming lock-up expirations could introduce meaningful volatility, particularly on the downside. Patrick points to long-term comparisons with Amazon and Tesla, while noting that many retail investors are still near break-even. The discussion explores how much of SpaceX's valuation is based on future potential versus current performance—and how much room remains for investor expectations to reset before fundamentals catch up. (Bulls and Bears) Watch the full video at sixfivemedia.com, and be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel so you never miss an episode. The Decode US Government Forces Anthropic to Disable Claude Fable 5 + Mythos 5 Worldwide — First-Ever Federal Shutdown of a Commercial Frontier AI Model; 90-Minute Compliance; EU + UK Sovereign-AI Talks Accelerate https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access HPE Discover 2026 — Neri Bets the Company on Networking as the AI Control Plane; Juniper Integration Operational; Vultr Standardizes on HPE + NVIDIA https://www.crn.com/news/networking/2026/hpe-ceo-antonio-neri-five-boldest-statements-from-hpe-discover-2026 Everpure - Pure//Accelerate 2026 — First Conference Under New Name; "Data Primacy" Vision; Data Stream Built on NVIDIA AI Data Platform; Data Intelligence GA https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/everpure-unveils-data-primacy-architecture-for-the-ai-era-302803097.html Apple's Chip Supply Chain Realigns in One Week — Intel 18A-P Enters Risk Production June 16; White House Confirms Apple-Intel Foundry Deal June 18 (INTC +9% to Record $135); Cook Says iPhone/Mac/iPad Price Hikes "Unavoidable" on RAM Crunch https://www.investing.com/analysis/appleintel-chip-manufacturing-deal-reshapes-foundry-race-200682398 SpaceX Buys Cursor for $60B All-Stock Four Days After IPO — Largest Developer-Tooling Acquisition Ever; Cursor at $4B ARR / 50%+ Fortune 500; Musk's xAI Loses the Code War, Buys the Winner https://www.cnbc.com/technology/ The Flip Are enterprise AI budgets contracting — is the procurement boom ending and the rationing phase beginning? FOR: Yes — Accenture cut its guide and bookings declined today; Uber blew through AI budget in months; Meta killed its leaderboard. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20260618029271/en/Accenture-Reports-Third-Quarter-Fiscal-2026-Results AGAINST: No — AI infrastructure capex is accelerating; enterprise demand is supply-constrained, not budget-constrained. https://ca.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/stifel-raises-jabil-stock-price-target-to-460-on-ai-growth-93CH-4698089 Bulls & Bears MACRO — FOMC Chair Kevin Warsh's Inaugural Meeting: Unanimous Hold at 3.5–3.75%, Statement Stripped of Cutting Bias; Dot Plot Flips to a 2026 HIKE at 3.8% Median; Warsh Refuses Own Dot; Worst Fed Day for a New Chair Since 1994 https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/17/fed-meeting-today-live-updates.html MACRO — Oil Cracks Below $80: Brent $78 (3-Month Low), WTI $75; US-Iran 14-Point MoU Signed at Versailles; Strait of Hormuz Reopening; IEA Projects 5.05 Mbpd Supply Glut in 2027 https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/oil-plunge-below-80-already-174253019.html Accenture (ACN) Q3 FY26 ACTUALS — EPS $3.80 Beats $3.70 (+9% YoY); Revenue $18.72B Slight Miss; Bookings DECLINE −2% to $19.3B; FY26 Guide Trimmed to 3–4% Local; Stock −13.3% Open; $9B Cybersecurity Acquisition Push https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20260618029271/en/Accenture-Reports-Third-Quarter-Fiscal-2026-Results SpaceX (SPCX) Post-IPO Trading Action — Melt-Up to $225.64 Tuesday Intraday Briefly Surpasses Amazon at $2.85T; Round-Trips to $192 by Wednesday Close on Fed Hawkish Pivot; Morningstar Fair Value $62 (~69% Implied Downside) https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/15/evercore-isi-says-landmark-spacex-ipo-could-reignite-bull-market-send-sp-500-to-9000.html
Our CIO and Chief U.S. Equity Strategist Mike Wilson reacts to Kevin Warsh's first Fed meeting, explaining why the new chair's credibility may require letting markets experience some short-term pain.Read more insights from Morgan Stanley.----- Transcript -----Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Mike Wilson, Morgan Stanley's CIO and Chief U.S. Equity Strategist. Today on the podcast I'll be discussing my views on the New Fed Chair and how to interpret his FOMC meeting last week.It's Monday, June 22nd at 11:30 am in New York. So, let's get after it.I want to spend today on what I think was one of the more important market events of the year so far. Kevin Warsh's first Fed meeting as the Chair. Specifically, he is trying to fortify credibility at a very delicate moment. The economy is stronger than many expected. Inflation is still running above target. And markets have become accustomed to central banks telling them exactly what to think.Back in February, when Warsh was nominated, I argued that this was the right choice if the goal was to lift market credibility. At that time, precious metals were rising parabolically. To me that was a bad signal that markets were questioning whether policy makers could really run the economy hot without creating a disorderly move in the dollar or a broader inflation problem.Since Warsh's nomination, the S&P 500-to-gold ratio is up close to 40 percent, and I view that as a powerful vote of confidence from the markets. It suggests investors are giving Warsh the benefit of the doubt – that he can shake up the Fed, reduce reliance on the balance sheet as a policy tool, and solidify discipline that gives the administration some breathing room.But here's the catch. Enhancing credibility is not always painless. In fact, credibility must be earned by doing something markets don't immediately like. And last week had some of that flavor. Stocks weakened, the yield curve bear-flattened, the dollar strengthened, and precious metals sold off. From my perspective, that is not a failed first meeting. That is a good and necessary first step. What stood out to me most was Warsh's emphasis on the inflation mandate. He made it very clear that the Fed's primary responsibility is price stability – not managing every wiggle in the labor market, not smoothing every risk asset drawdown, and not hand-holding investors through every data point. And frankly, after five years of missing the inflation target, that message was overdue.The stronger economy and improving private payroll data give the Fed room to lean into that message. I don't think this means the Fed is about to hike rates immediately, or even necessarily this year. But it does mean the reaction function has changed, and markets do not like uncertainty around the Fed path.The other major shift was communication. Warsh appears to be moving away from excessive forward guidance, and I think that's a very healthy development. For years, I've argued that the Fed became too influential in shaping not only market behavior, but also how investors interpreted the data. When markets are only trying to guess what the Fed will say next, the Fed loses the value of market prices as an independent signal. That's backwards. Markets should be reacting to incoming information, and the Fed should be learning from those reactions – not vice versa.A little less Fed hand-holding may be uncomfortable, but ironically it is necessary to get to a more stable place. Investors may not like it in the short term, but the system works better when market prices are less impeded by policy manipulation. The wisdom of crowds is often better than the wisdom of committees.The near-term risk for equities is not rate hikes or even uncertainty. It's liquidity. Balance sheet support has already started to fade. The Reserve Management Program is down roughly 75 percent from its peak, Treasury buybacks have been reduced by 50 percent. And at the same time lending growth is accelerating because the real economy is using more capital. That combination means liquidity is tightening, and our work suggests that could remain a headwind for stocks into July.Bottom line, the market may test Warsh's resolve. That's what markets do. The key question is whether the Fed tolerates some short-term pain in order to strengthen longer-term credibility. My guess is that it tries to do exactly that, until funding markets, credit markets, or bond volatility forces its hand to add more liquidity and loosen financial conditions again. That argues for choppy and even corrective price action in equity markets in the near term until the earnings led bull market has its next leg higher. Thanks for tuning in; I hope you found it informative and useful. Let us know what you think by leaving us a review. And if you find Thoughts on the Market worthwhile, tell a friend or colleague to try it out!
The Iran deal looked like a breakthrough until both sides started spinning it within the hour, but oil kept falling and the dollar stayed bid anyway. Marty and John walk through a week of narrative violations, from WTI dropping into the mid seventies to Fed Chair Warsh's hawkish first FOMC press conference. They dig into why hyperscaler CapEx exploding while free cash flow collapses makes Volcker 2.0 impossible, how housing affordability and debt service are pushing the Fed and Treasury back together, and why frontier AI is now a state secret. They also check in on Bitcoin's quiet grind, with Taiwan's central bank exploring reserves and BlackRock still building products in the background.
In this week's episode of the Coin Stories News Block powered exclusively by Ledn, we cover these major headlines related to Bitcoin, macroeconomics, and global finance: Digital credit's worst day ever - what actually caused the STRC and SATA selloff and why it matters The carry trade that blew up: how investors borrowing at 5% to earn 11.5% created a cascade Kevin Warsh chairs his first Fed meeting, kills forward guidance, and launches five task forces The Iran deal is already fraying — Iran re-declares the Strait of Hormuz closed days after signing A message to the Bitcoin community on recent in-fighting ---- Order Natalie's new book "Bitcoin is For Everyone," a simple introduction to Bitcoin and what's broken in our current financial system: https://amzn.to/3WzFzfU ---- Upcoming Events: The best time to plan for Bitcoin 2027 is right now. Early bird tickets are live — grab the lowest pricing available and use code HODL for 10% off: https://tickets.b.tc/event/bitcoin-2027?promoCodeTask=apply&promoCodeInput=HODL ---- This podcast is for educational purposes and should not be construed as official investment advice. ---- VALUE FOR VALUE — SUPPORT NATALIE'S SHOWS Strike ID https://strike.me/coinstoriesnat/ Cash App $CoinStories #money #Bitcoin #investing
Last week, as a frothy stock market continued to zigzag across a high plateau, two events occurred with significant implications for the macroeconomic outlook. First, the President signed a Memorandum of Understanding with Iran, potentially bringing the Iran war to a close. Second, Kevin Warsh presided over his first meeting as Fed Chairman, resulting in a slightly more hawkish tilt to monetary policy in the short run and the promise of significant reform in the long run.
This week, we discuss recent housing market releases and the Federal Open Market Committee's latest decision under its new chair, Kevin Warsh. Housing starts fell to their lowest level since April 2020, at the onset of the Covid 19 pandemic. Much of the decline was driven by multifamily construction, a notoriously volatile component of the data. Even so, the report is consistent with broader evidence that the housing market continues to lose momentum. Mr. Warsh also held his first press conference as Federal Reserve chair. Among the more visible changes were a shorter policy statement, the decision to withhold his own projection from the Summary of Economic Projections, and a refusal to provide forward guidance. Beneath these procedural changes lies a potentially more significant shift in leadership style. Mr. Warsh has emphasized that policy decisions will emerge from what he describes as a "good family fight" while reaffirming the central bank's commitment to achieving its inflation target. Although a less transparent approach may ultimately lead to better policy outcomes, the immediate effect is to introduce an additional layer of uncertainty into an economy that already faces no shortage of it.
Derek Moore is joined by Mike Snyder and Shane Skinner this week to get into the post Kevin Warsh Fed Presser reaction. Plus, leading economic indicators (LEI) are turning bullish? Then, they talk about the options action in SpaceX including how high is the implied volatility. Odds and ends this week include discussion on MicroStrategy's preferred STRC has dropped below its par value. SpaceX implied volatility in its options Kevin Warsh FED press conference Kevin Warsh says no dot for you! LEI leading economic indicator MicroStrategy (Strategy) preferred issue #STRC Difference between a peg to par vs. trying to see it at par Word count in FED statement Warsh vs Powell 10 Year Treasury yields vs Nominal GDP growth rate YoY Oil prices continue to ease Analysts keep their earnings estimates strong for the forward 12 month period Mentioned in this Episode Derek Moore's book Broken Pie Chart https://amzn.to/3S8ADNT Jay Pestrichelli's book Buy and Hedge https://amzn.to/3jQYgMt Derek's book on public speaking Effortless Public Speaking https://amzn.to/3hL1Mag Contact Derek derek.moore@zegainvestments.com
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Markets are holding up very well considering typical June weakness during midterm election years, says Wayne Kaufman. He points out Kevin Warsh's "tempest in a teapot" comments on the AI trade, explaining how it leads into the new Fed Chair's goals to tackle inflation. When it comes to downside risk, Wayne tells investors to keep on eye on the U.S.-Iran conflict and crude oil prices. ======== Schwab Network ========Empowering every investor and trader, every market day.Subscribe to the Market Minute newsletter - https://schwabnetwork.com/subscribeDownload the iOS app - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/schwab-network/id1460719185Download the Amazon Fire Tv App - https://www.amazon.com/TD-Ameritrade-Network/dp/B07KRD76C7Watch on Sling - https://watch.sling.com/1/asset/191928615bd8d47686f94682aefaa007/watchWatch on Vizio - https://www.vizio.com/en/watchfreeplus-exploreWatch on DistroTV - https://www.distro.tv/live/schwab-network/Follow us on X – https://twitter.com/schwabnetworkFollow us on Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/schwabnetworkFollow us on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/schwab-network/About Schwab Network - https://schwabnetwork.com/about
In this Daily Editorial, Craig Hemke, Founder and Publisher of the TF Metals Report, joins me to analyze the unusual intra-day swings in the precious metals market ever since the signing of the US/Iran MOU ending the war, and since Kevin Warsh chaired his first FED meeting and addressed the markets last week. In this episode, we cover: Technical Levels to Watch: Craig comments on the break-down in gold and silver below the 200-day moving average, resulting in weakening pricing momentum. This is creating the potential for gold to dip below it's double bottom around $4,100 and silver to retest or dip below its double bottom around $61. Even if gold breaks below $4,000 into the mid $3,000s or if Silver breaks $61 and heads down to the $54 support level from last falls “double-top,” Craig points out that still would not invalidate the larger bull market trend of the last few years. He points out we may need that last capitulation move this summer to wash out any remaining weak hands, and to then base and bring in the new buyers that cause shorts to cover and begin a new upleg. We review again the very low “open interest” levels on the COT report, and how this lower level of market participation can cause unusual intra-day price swings in both directions. Kevin Warsh's First Fed Meeting and Press Conference: We contrasted the outlook and approach Kevin Warsh outlined last week versus the approach to data collection and forecasting that his predecessor Jerome Powell had taken. The markets took Warsh's comments "this committee will deliver price stability," to be a hawkish hold, since he indicated focusing on the higher inflation readings. The Fed funds futures are now anticipating 1-2 rate hikes this year versus the initially market anticipated rate cuts, coming into this year. The Macroeconomic Fundamentals Haven't Changed: Sovereign debt remains at record levels and most nations can not endure interest rates that go up to drastically. Throughout history, central banks have opted for printing more money and driving interest rates meaningfully lower, to inflate their way out of economic challenges, and to pay off higher interest debt with lower-rate debt. Even if we see some initial hawkish rate hikes, Craigs doesn't anticipate that we'd have long to wait after that before monetary policy adjusts course in the opposite direction, in a more dovish playbook. Overall, central banks continue to add gold to their balance sheets versus adding more US or foreign treasuries. We also noted that many individuals and financial institutions have been rotating some of their bond holdings into the precious metals complex. All that really changed over the last few months was the black swan of a war in the Middle East; and now that it appears to be winding down, we'll see if the prior pre-war trends reassert themselves over the fullness of time. Click here to visit Craig's website – TF Metals Report – https://www.tfmetalsreport.com/ For more market commentary & interview summaries, subscribe to our Substacks: The KE Report: https://kereport.substack.com/ Shad's resource market commentary: https://excelsiorprosperity.substack.com/ Investment disclaimer: This content is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute investment advice, an offer, or a solicitation to buy or sell any security. Investing in equities and commodities involves risk, including the possible loss of principal. Do your own research and consult a licensed financial advisor before making any investment decisions. Guests and hosts may own shares in companies mentioned.
For our Week in Review, Dave Spano and Dr. Brian Jacobsen unpack Kevin Warsh's debut at the Fed, highlighting a unanimous rate decision, a wave of new internal task forces, and a leadership style that welcomes open debate. They also dive into Trump's surprise Iran memorandum, a move already easing energy market fears while introducing big political and funding questions that could ripple through global stability and defense supply chains. Plus, they connect the dots between rising inflation, shifting consumer behavior, and a reopening IPO window led by SpaceX, setting the stage for how falling energy prices could reshape the economic narrative in the months ahead.
Chris Whalen is back for The Wrap after his fishing trip in Maine, where he caught a 21-inch smallmouth bass! He's very positive on Kevin Warsh's "less is more" approach at the Fed—no forward guidance, likely removing the dot plot, and refocusing on letting the numbers speak for themselves rather than trying to control expectations through communication. Whalen argues the bond market has already delivered a rate hike on its own, and if he were Warsh, he'd wait and see how the Iran peace deal holds before making more moves, given that war inflation is transitory and external to Fed policy. He reveals the definition of inflation will likely be narrowed to minimize rate hikes and avoid tanking the economy, and he's watching a massive rebalancing from equities to bonds at record allocation levels. Whalen sold most of his AI stocks and locked in serious gains, but he's holding SpaceX as a long-term play given Elon's monopolies on space launch and global internet. He warns the AI bubble is going south with Mike Saylor and Bitcoin spiraling, sees gold and silver as a great entry point after being beaten down, and is adding to positions. He explains silver's manufacturing and technology demand while copper faces supply constraints. On Iran, Whalen argues the MOU doesn't solve underlying inflation drivers—diesel, fertilizer, energy ripple through the economy—so double-digit inflation is locked in with no Fed rate cuts coming. He's concerned about private credit festering with two-and-twenty fees still common, distressed debt exchanges now over 70% of defaults since 2022, and he likes Annaly as a mortgage REIT with government-insured assets and mortgage servicing rights providing protection. Whalen notes precious metals could still rise despite rate hikes because central banks will keep accumulating gold as reserve assets. Links: The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/ The Wrap: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/post/theira858Inflated book (2nd edition): https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/inflated-r-christopher-whalen/1146303673Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen Use the code TheWrap2026 for 25% off your first year of The Institutional Risk Analyst https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/plans-pricingTimestamps:0:00 Intro and welcome back Chris Whalen1:47 Warsh sets different tone - No forward guidance, likely no dot plots3:33 Less is more approach - Fed was communicating too much5:43 Bond market has already done the rate hike6:50 War inflation is transitory - External factor Fed can't control7:19 Definition of inflation will be adjusted/narrowed9:10 Bond market doing tightening, not Fed funds rate10:34 Rebalancing from equities to bonds at record levels11:50 Sold most AI stocks, took profits, holding SpaceX12:07 SpaceX monopoly on space/internet - Long term play13:57 AI trade, Bitcoin15:57 Gold/silver beaten up but good entry, adding positions17:02 Silver manufacturing and technology demand17:49 Copper supply/demand - Not enough copper globally19:32 Iran MOU doesn't solve underlying issues21:45 Double-digit inflation locked in - Diesel, fertilizer ripple22:34 Fed can't fix war-driven inflation23:52 No rate cuts coming - Business banking on cuts won't get them24:48 Private credit festering problem - Two and twenty fees26:16 Distressed debt exchanges over 70% of defaults29:27 Annaly - Mortgage REIT with government insured assets30:00 Precious metals could rise despite rate hikes - Central banks buying31:43 Precious metals dollar strength question32:07 Next week
On today's episode, Editor in Chief Sarah Wheeler talks with Lead Analyst Logan Mohtashami about the Fed meeting and housing starts. Related to this episode: 3 quick takes on Kevin Warsh's first Fed meeting HousingWire | YouTube More info about HousingWire The Top 5: 3 quick takes on Kevin Warsh's first Fed meeting Warsh era at the Fed begins with rate pause amid spiking inflation Five lessons from the first half of the 2026 housing market The ‘Beyond' is brokerage: Bed Bath & Beyond's surprising bet on real estate Congress reaches bipartisan agreement on ROAD to Housing Act Want more from Sarah? Don't forget to subscribe! The HousingWire Daily podcast brings the full picture of the most compelling stories in the housing market reported across HousingWire. Each morning, listen to editor in chief Sarah Wheeler talk to leading industry voices and get a deeper look behind the scenes of the top mortgage and real estate.
At his first Fed meeting as chair, Kevin Warsh signaled a more hawkish stance focused squarely on inflation, while launching a sweeping reform agenda. Policymakers are split between holding and potentially hiking, with strong emphasis on restoring price stability. Warsh introduced a significant shift in Fed governance and communication: shorter statements, less forward guidance, and five task forces aimed at rethinking policy frameworks. Liz Ann Sonders and Collin Martin explore the implications of that shift, particularly the risk that reduced transparency could lead to greater market volatility as investors react more sharply to incoming data. They also assess market dynamics: Rising short-term yields pressured equities, while longer-term yields may remain range-bound if inflation expectations stabilize. Finally, they offer practical portfolio takeaways—emphasizing diversification within equities, a focus on quality and earnings strength, and a disciplined approach to asset allocation in a higher-rate, more-uncertain policy regime. On Investing is an original podcast from Charles Schwab. For more on the show, visit schwab.com/OnInvesting. If you enjoy the show, please leave a rating or review on Apple Podcasts. Important Disclosures This material is intended for general informational and educational purposes only. This should not be considered an individualized recommendation or personalized investment advice. The securities, investment products and investment strategies mentioned are not suitable for everyone. Each investor needs to review an investment strategy for his or her own particular situation before making any investment decisions. All expressions of opinion are subject to change without notice in reaction to shifting market, economic or political conditions. Data contained herein from third party providers is obtained from what are considered reliable sources. However, its accuracy, completeness or reliability cannot be guaranteed. Past performance is no guarantee of future results. Investing involves risk, including loss of principal. Performance may be affected by risks associated with non-diversification, including investments in specific countries or sectors. Additional risks may also include, but are not limited to, investments in foreign securities, especially emerging markets, real estate investment trusts (REITs), fixed income, municipal securities including state specific municipal securities, small capitalization securities and commodities. Each individual investor should consider these risks carefully before investing in a particular security or strategy. Fixed income securities are subject to increased loss of principal during periods of rising interest rates. Fixed income investments are subject to various other risks including changes in credit quality, market valuations, liquidity, prepayments, early redemption, corporate events, tax ramifications, and other factors. Lower rated securities are subject to greater credit risk, default risk, and liquidity risk. Diversification and asset allocation do not ensure a profit and do not protect against losses in declining markets. All names and market data shown are for illustrative purposes only and are not a recommendation, offer to sell, or a solicitation of an offer to buy any security. Forecasts contained herein are for illustrative purposes only, may be based upon proprietary research and are developed through analysis of historical public data. The policy analysis provided by Charles Schwab & Co., Inc., does not constitute and should not be interpreted as an endorsement of any political party. Indexes are unmanaged, do not incur management fees, costs, and expenses and cannot be invested in directly. For more information on indexes, please see schwab.com/indexdefinitions Inverse correlation refers to investments that tend to move in opposite directions: when one rises, the other falls. A hyperscaler is a large-scale cloud service provider that offers vast computing, storage, and networking resources through a distributed infrastructure of interconnected servers and software. (0626-05FT) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
RenMac breaks down new Fed Chair Kevin Warsh's first meeting — the most hawkish FOMC outcome on record by the move in the two-year yield — why falling oil won't pull the Fed off its tightening bias, and how rate hikes are now on the table as soon as July. The team also discusses the fragile Iran settlement, a firmer dollar, the Defense Production Act's reach into non-defense names, US-versus-ex-US equity leadership, and the week ahead in core PCE, Micron, and Fed speakers.
A new era at the Federal Reserve may be reshaping how markets think about rates, volatility, and the role of central banks. But is the market interpreting Kevin Warsh's first moves correctly? This week, we break down Warsh's first FOMC meeting, the end of traditional forward guidance, and why they believe peak hawkishness may already be behind us despite the Fed's messaging. We also discuss the AI capex boom, the future of Bitcoin and MicroStrategy, tightening liquidity, housing affordability, and whether markets are entering a fundamentally different regime. Enjoy! TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Intro 01:13 Forward Guidance Is Dead 08:28 Rate Volatility Returns 13:08 Why Hikes Won't Happen 18:33 Liquidity Gets Tight 26:15 The AI Buildout Meets The Fed 35:55 The Summer Market Setup 42:39 MicroStrategy's Market Test 46:18 Bitcoin's AI Opportunity Cost 53:29 Crypto Needs To Adapt 01:00:46 Gold Sentiment Hits Extremes FOLLOW THE SHOW › Forward Guidance – https://x.com/ForwardGuidance › Felix – https://x.com/fejau_inc › Quinn – https://x.com/qthomp › Tyler – https://x.com/Tyler_Neville › Telegram – https://t.me/+CAoZQpC-i6BjYTEx › Blockworks – https://x.com/Blockworks RESOURCES › Weekly Roundup Charts – https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yGHU0SgEjUNE1cDKP280F60FsRrcBqOh/view?usp=sharing EVENTS › Join us at Digital Asset Summit 2026 Asia October 7th & Digital Asset 2026 London November 10-11th https://blockworks.com/events Blockworks recently acquired Messari. For more information, please visit: https://blockworks.com/insights/blockworks-acquires-messari DISCLAIMER Nothing said on Forward Guidance is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only. Any views expressed are opinions, not financial advice. Hosts and guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.
This week on Fed Watch, ITR Economist and Speaker Lauren Saidel-Baker breaks down the first Federal Reserve meeting under new Chair Kevin Warsh and why the market may need to rethink expectations for interest rates. While rates remained unchanged, the Fed's messaging took a noticeably different tone. Lauren examines what Warsh's leadership style could mean for future policy decisions, inflation management, Fed communications, and the broader economic outlook. For business leaders, investors, and decision-makers trying to navigate persistent inflation and uncertain rate expectations, this meeting may offer important clues about what comes next. Will a new chair lead to a new era at the Federal Reserve?
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Kevin Warsh held his first press conference as Fed chair on Wednesday, and — unlike his precedessor — did not say what the central bank plans to do next. Despite his tight lips, markets read between the lines and predict a rate hike is coming soon. In this episode, why Warsh is rewriting the Fed's communication style, and how it could alter the economy. Plus: Jobless claims tick down a bit, GPS shapes global infrastructure, and RV owners struggle to sell their vintage digs.Every story has an economic angle. Want some in your inbox? Subscribe to our daily or weekly newsletter.Marketplace is more than a radio show. Check out our original reporting and financial literacy content at marketplace.org — and consider making an investment in our future.Read today's stories:Unemployment is still low, but so is hiringFed Chair Kevin Warsh is trying to keep his options open. Investors are parsing his words anywayGPS is a pillar of the global economy, and it's also pretty vulnerableUsed RV sales are up, but many large, older rigs are sitting on lots for months
Warsh set up 5 task forces to study inflation. You only study a problem when you don't want to solve it. Same game, new players.This episode is sponsored by InvestingPRO. Get 55% off + an EXTRA 15% off with my code PETERSCHIFF at checkout! Sign up: https://www.investing-referral.com/peterschiff/This episode is also sponsored by Ethos. Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos. Get up to $3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes at https://ethos.com/gold. Application times may vary. Rates may vary.Kevin Warsh's first FOMC meeting delivered a hawkish surprise — rates held at 3.5-3.75% unanimously, forward guidance was eliminated, and dot plots now project two rate hikes by year-end. But Peter Schiff argues it's all theater. Instead of actually fighting inflation, Warsh announced five new task forces to "study" the Fed's balance sheet, communications, data sources, jobs, and inflation itself — the classic government move of establishing committees to avoid solving problems.Warsh acknowledged inflation is a choice, and Schiff agrees — the Fed has chosen inflation over the alternative of crashing markets and forcing fiscal responsibility since the Greenspan era. The question is whether Warsh will break that tradition when push comes to shove. Schiff says no: Trump won't tolerate a bear market, the Treasury Secretary is having weekly breakfasts with the Fed Chair, and the political pressure to print will overwhelm any hawkish posturing. Meanwhile, Strategy's death spiral accelerated with Stretch falling to $89 — wiping out the entire annual yield in one month — while Saylor continues diluting common shareholders to fund dividends he can't sustain. SpaceX soared past $3 trillion on a 4% float, sucking speculative capital away from crypto and accelerating Bitcoin's decline to $64,000.Chapters:00:00 Warsh Shocks Markets00:45 Rates Hold Steady01:26 Trump Versus Powell03:42 Shortest Fed Statement06:01 Ample Reserves Contradiction07:13 Five Task Forces Announced32:18 Term Insurance Not Investing33:40 Fed Task Forces Skepticism39:56 Inflation Tax And Politics44:37 SpaceX IPO Mania47:23 Bitcoin Strategy Death Spiral55:37 Gold Silver Buy The Dip56:29 Same Fed Same Game Wrap Up58:29 Closing And Follow MeFollow @peterschiffX: https://twitter.com/peterschiffInstagram: https://instagram.com/peterschiffTikTok: https://tiktok.com/@peterschiffofficialFacebook: https://facebook.com/peterschiff#PeterSchiffShow #FederalReserve #FOMCOur Sponsors:* Check out Chilipad and use my code sleep.me/GOLD for a great deal: https://sleep.me* Check out DBJourney and use my code Schiff15 for a great deal: https://dbjourney.com* Check out Fast Growing Trees and use my code GOLD for a great deal: https://www.fast-growing-trees.com* Check out Plaud AI and use my code GOLD for a great deal: https://plaud.ai* Check out Quince and use my code quince.com/gold for a great deal: https://www.quince.com* Check out TruDiagnostic and use my code GOLD20 for a great deal: https://www.trudiagnostic.comPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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Kevin Warsh held his first press conference as Fed chair on Wednesday, and — unlike his precedessor — did not say what the central bank plans to do next. Despite his tight lips, markets read between the lines and predict a rate hike is coming soon. In this episode, why Warsh is rewriting the Fed's communication style, and how it could alter the economy. Plus: Jobless claims tick down a bit, GPS shapes global infrastructure, and RV owners struggle to sell their vintage digs.Every story has an economic angle. Want some in your inbox? Subscribe to our daily or weekly newsletter.Marketplace is more than a radio show. Check out our original reporting and financial literacy content at marketplace.org — and consider making an investment in our future.Read today's stories:Unemployment is still low, but so is hiringFed Chair Kevin Warsh is trying to keep his options open. Investors are parsing his words anywayGPS is a pillar of the global economy, and it's also pretty vulnerableUsed RV sales are up, but many large, older rigs are sitting on lots for months
David Faber and Sara Eisen broke down the days biggest movers - from a new Apple partnership sending Intel shares surging to another day of losses for SpaceX. Plus: hear a deep-dive on what Fed Chairman Warsh's inflation battle could mean for investors still expecting rate cuts, and more on Accenture's results with the company's CEO - as those shares plunge double-digits and even hit stocks of competitors like IBM. Elsewhere in the hour, the team also discussed the economic impact of the Knick's championship run as their celebration parade kicked off in downtown Manhattan. Squawk on the Street Disclaimer Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Jim Cramer and David Faber kicked off the show with a look at shares of Intel surging after President Trump said the company will partner with Apple on U.S. chip design. The anchors also shifted to a WSJ report that Apple must raise prices on its products to offset the surging costs of memory chips. Also in the mix; the desk discussed Warsh's debut as Fed Chairman, a day after the committee held rates steady. Squawk on the Street Disclaimer Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Claudia Sahm, Chief Economist of New Century Advisors joins the team to break down Kevin Warsh's first FOMC meeting and press conference. The group covers the rate decision, changes to Fed communications, the dot plot's future, and what Warsh's balance sheet views signal for monetary policy ahead. The new Chair is in the seat, time will tell if it's a comfortable one. Questions or Comments, please email us at InsideEconomics@moodys.com. We would love to hear from you. To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Today, we note the huge change in vibe and substance as new Fed Chair Kevin Warsh took charge at the Fed at his first meeting. He is a great communicator and put his stamp on how this Fed will be a very different one with far fewer hints on its intentions - i.e. no forward guidance to the degree possible. The initial market read was clearly hawkish, but while short rates jumped as a possible FOMC rate hike was pulled forward, the longest treasury yields fell. We look at the reaction function across markets, including in currencies and more as the market will have to find its sea legs with this new Fed. This and more on today's pod, which is hosted by Saxo Global Head of Macro Strategy John J. Hardy. Link As discussed on today's pod, interesting to note the GM-Lockheed Martin partnership announcement. It wasn't specified what GM might produce, but the Iran war made clear that the US needs a new approach to mass producing military tech. About twice per week (in normal times, hopefully soon to resume), you will find links discussed on the podcast and a chart-of-the-day over at the John J. Hardy substack. Read daily in-depth market updates from the Saxo Market Call and the Saxo Strategy Team here. Please reach out to us at marketcall@saxobank.com for feedback and questions. Click here to open an account with Saxo. Intro music by AShamaluevMusic DISCLAIMER This content is marketing material. Trading financial instruments carries risks. Always ensure that you understand these risks before trading. This material does not contain investment advice or an encouragement to invest in a particular manner. Historic performance is not a guarantee of future results. The instrument(s) referenced in this content may be issued by a partner, from whom Saxo Bank A/S receives promotional fees, payment or retrocessions. While Saxo may receive compensation from these partnerships, all content is created with the aim of providing clients with valuable information and options.
Bitcoin tanked to $64,000 after Kevin Warsh's first FOMC turned full hawkish — the median dot plot now sees a 2026 rate HIKE, October hike odds jumped to 60%, and Bitcoin/Ether ETFs swung back to outflows ($111M combined, with BlackRock's IBIT bleeding $31M). But the on-chain picture is bullish: Bitcoin whales (1,000+ BTC addresses) just reversed months of selling and now control the highest BTC supply since March, absorbing 125,000 BTC in the first half of June. Add Strategy's STRC preferred stock hitting a record low (freezing Saylor's main BTC-buying engine), whale-sized 1,750 BTC put hedges at the $62K strike flashing weekend caution, Bitwise's Matt Hougan still calling for $1 million Bitcoin within 10 years, and the SEC scrapping the trade-through rule (clearing the runway for tokenized stocks) — and today's setup is the most confusing tape of the cycle. We break down whether the whale accumulation signals the bottom is in, what Warsh's hawkish pivot means for 2026, and whether the $62K weekend put hedge is the warning everyone's missing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Once we look beyond a small shift in rhetoric and emphasis, there is, so far, no reason to believe that the Fed is headed toward anything other than business as usual. Original article: https://mises.org/power-market/fed-holds-interest-rate-steady-and-warsh-buys-time-new-task-force-scheme
Andrew and Ben discuss Kevin Warsh's first Fed meeting ending forward guidance and launching task forces on communication and data quality, the massive curve flattener with the 2-year jumping 17bps and the 30-year dropping 6bps, restored inflation credibility through lower TIPS breakevens, the media pushback led by Nick Timiraos, Trump's pivot into midterm "it's the economy" mode after signing the Iran deal, today's Philly Fed print, and the Bank of England holding at 3.75% with a 7-2 vote as gilts sold off.Join our live YouTube stream Monday through Friday at 8:30 AM EST:http://www.youtube.com/@TheMorningMarketBriefingPlease see disclosures:https://www.narwhal.com/disclosure
The U.S. and Iran sign an interim agreement to end the war and reopen the Strait of Hormuz. The deal looks set to bolster Hezbollah's hand with Tehran promising its ally a cut of the cash once its assets are unfrozen. It's a new day at the Fed as Kevin Warsh takes the helm. Luigi Mangione plans for a mental health crisis defense. And a small UK election could spell big trouble for Prime Minister Keir Starmer. Listen to the Morning Bid podcast here. Sign up for the Reuters Econ World newsletter here. Listen to the Reuters Econ World podcast here. Visit the Thomson Reuters Privacy Statement for information on our privacy and data protection practices. You may also visit megaphone.fm/adchoices to opt out of targeted advertising. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
On today's episode, Lead Analyst Logan Mohtashami talks about Kevin Warsh's first Fed meeting as chairman and what his comments mean for mortgage rates. Related to this episode: Warsh era at the Fed begins with rate pause amid spiking inflation HousingWire | YouTube More info about HousingWire Want more from Sarah? Don't forget to subscribe! The HousingWire Daily podcast brings the full picture of the most compelling stories in the housing market reported across HousingWire. Each morning, listen to editor in chief Sarah Wheeler talk to leading industry voices and get a deeper look behind the scenes of the top mortgage and real estate.
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P.M. Edition for June 17. In Kevin Warsh's first meeting as Fed chairman, officials unanimously held rates steady, though their projections showed that a rate hike is now more likely than a cut. WSJ economics reporter Matt Grossman discusses what we can glean about how the central bank is changing under Warsh's leadership. Plus, in an exclusive interview with the Wall Street Journal, Apple CEO Tim Cook says that price increases for Apple products are “unavoidable.” We hear from reporter Rolfe Winkler about how much the next iPhone might cost. And what's in the deal to end the war between the U.S. and Iran? Journal reporter Laurence Norman walks us through it. Alex Ossola hosts. Sign up for the WSJ's free What's News newsletter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
A.M. Edition for June 17. The Federal Reserve has trained markets to hang on its every word, but new chairman Kevin Warsh would rather it say less and let the economic data do the talking. WSJ chief economics correspondent Nick Timiraos tells us what to expect. Plus, the Trump administration expands its antifraud campaign to state unemployment programs. And we'll take a bite of the only Gentleman's Relish we could get our hands on. Luke Vargas hosts. Sign up for the WSJ's free What's News newsletter. Check out the latest What's News Sunday episode on how health insurance could be a deciding issue in Georgia's midterms in November. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
David Bahnsen recaps a major market day following the first FOMC meeting chaired by Kevin Warsh, where the Fed left rates unchanged but offered a notably brief statement with little forward guidance. The dot plot implied higher rates ahead, though Warsh declined to submit his own projection, reinforcing his opposition to forward guidance as a policy tool. In his first press conference, Warsh announced five task forces covering Fed communications, the balance sheet, data sources, productivity and jobs, and inflation frameworks, and emphasized focusing on what data says about the economy rather than predicting the Fed's reaction. Markets sold off: the Dow swung from +280 to close -500, the S&P fell 1.25%, and the Nasdaq more than 1.25%, alongside a yield-curve flattening with short rates up far more than the 10-year. All 11 S&P sectors ended down. 00:00 Welcome and Setup 00:10 Fed Meeting Recap 01:14 Dot Plot and Guidance 01:55 Five Fed Task Forces 02:44 Reaction Function Critique 04:17 Market Selloff and Yields 05:29 Sector Performance Breakdown 06:02 Economic Data Check 06:26 Wrap Up and Sign Off Links mentioned in this episode: DividendCafe.com TheBahnsenGroup.com
Plus: China's Instagram plans to IPO. And European auto shares slump after BMW issues a profit warning. Luke Vargas hosts. Sign up for WSJ's free What's News newsletter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Today, some last thoughts on the FOMC ahead of the meeting as the market is treating it with little anticipation even if this is likely to prove the most significant ideological change at the Fed since Greenspan left in 2006. Also - evidence from a choppy session for chips that the market nervousness may be rising for the hero sectors powering the recent market advance, especially given the max supportive move lower in crude oil yesterday, showing that lower oil prices have lost their impact as macro driver. This and more on today's pod, which is hosted by Saxo Global Head of Macro Strategy John J. Hardy. Links Yesterday's John J. Hardy substack with more links, if you missed these. Craig Tindale's latest on "Who owns the chemistry that turns metal into power." Laying out why those critical materials are so critical and the systematic changes required to address the issue if China isn't to maintain its dominance and leverage. Peter Garnry on SpaceX and how truly rare it is to see the kind of growth that some are anticipating for this company - with only two prior examples that are even in the same universe for a company of size. About twice per week (in normal times, hopefully soon to resume), you will find links discussed on the podcast and a chart-of-the-day over at the John J. Hardy substack. Read daily in-depth market updates from the Saxo Market Call and the Saxo Strategy Team here. Please reach out to us at marketcall@saxobank.com for feedback and questions. Click here to open an account with Saxo. Intro music by AShamaluevMusic DISCLAIMER This content is marketing material. Trading financial instruments carries risks. Always ensure that you understand these risks before trading. This material does not contain investment advice or an encouragement to invest in a particular manner. Historic performance is not a guarantee of future results. The instrument(s) referenced in this content may be issued by a partner, from whom Saxo Bank A/S receives promotional fees, payment or retrocessions. While Saxo may receive compensation from these partnerships, all content is created with the aim of providing clients with valuable information and options.
Bitcoin's relief rally faces its first real test today as Warsh's first FOMC meeting lands — markets are pricing 50-65% odds of at least one 2026 rate HIKE after May CPI ripped to 4.2%, and Warsh is expected to scrap Powell's forward guidance entirely. The on-chain backdrop is bullish: Bitcoin's Sharpe ratio just hit -20 (the same signal that marked every cycle low since 2015), holders absorbed 125,000 BTC in the first half of June, and whales pulled 11,000 BTC off exchanges yesterday. We break down whether the bottom signal holds, what Warsh's first dot plot means for Bitcoin, and which catalysts could extend or kill the relief rally. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Our Global Head of Macro Strategy Matthew Hornbach and our Chief U.S. Economist Michael Gapen discuss the signals investors will be seeking from the new Fed Chair leading his first monetary policy meeting and possible implications for markets.Read more insights from Morgan Stanley.----- Transcript -----Matthew Hornbach: Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Matthew Hornbach, Global Head of Macro Strategy. Michael Gapen: And I'm Michael Gapen, Morgan Stanley's Chief U.S. Economist. Matthew Hornbach: Today, markets are watching the Fed's next move. Are rate cuts delayed or could hikes possibly be back on the table? It's Tuesday, June 16th at 8:30am in New York. So, Mike, the FOMC meeting today and tomorrow is likely more about reading the signal rather than announcing a rate change. Markets will focus on inflation forecasts, the unemployment rate, and the growth outlook. But, of course, this will also be the first meeting after Powell ended his term as Fed chair in May. All eyes will be on Warsh. So, what are your thoughts before the press conference? Michael Gapen: A lot of thoughts, actually, before the press conference. I do think it's basically a foregone conclusion that the Fed will be changing its easing bias in favor of more neutral language. Seems clear the committee wants to do that, probably wanted to do that at the last meeting. And it does fit, I think, Warsh's preference for less communication, less guidance from the Fed. So, I do think that's largely a foregone conclusion, although obviously we need to see whether that happens and whether there are dissents. I think, as you noted, the forecasts will be important, but I think what's really important from my perspective – more than the modal outlook or the baseline that participants have – is their assessment of the balance of risks around the dual mandate. And I say that because obviously a year ago, the Fed eased policy when it felt that there were downside risks to the labor market that outweighed upside risk to inflation. This year, that seems to have flipped, where the labor market appears to have stabilized, labor demand has picked up a little bit, and it is inflation that looks persistent. So, if the Fed cut last year on downside risk to the labor market, I think the concern for markets is – maybe they hike in 2027 or later this year based on a changing balance of risks in the direction of firmer inflation. So, for me, that's really kind of key. In addition to what they're saying about growth inflation in the labor market, what is their assessment of the distribution of risks around that modal forecast? Matthew Hornbach: There's definitely going to be a lot of investor interest in the press conference itself. What exactly may result from the opening statement. Presumably, Chair Warsh will give an opening statement. How are you thinking about the back and forth between Warsh and the reporters that are asking questions? Are there certain questions that you would anticipate him getting asked, and how do you think he might respond? Michael Gapen: Well, I think certainly that if we are correct, and I think markets are correct, that they do change forward guidance in the statement to more neutral bias, that certainly opens up the possibility that the Fed will be hiking. So, the obvious first question is – is this the first step in the direction of hiking? What would get you to raise rates? Should investors be thinking about that? Is that the course of travel here? Now Warsh may not want to answer that if he, kind of, is consistent in the view of saying the Fed shouldn't give a lot of forward guidance. So maybe get some popcorn, Matt. It could be a situation where he gets asked questions about the future path of monetary policy, and maybe he decides, ‘I don't want to take that up right now. The data will tell us, and we'll do what's necessary.' And second, I think as you're noting and getting to about the structure of the press conference and what he might say is; past Federal Reserve chairs, let's say from Bernanke on, have found the press conference – the press conference statement, the questions, the format, the venue – as a way to control the narrative. And I think what will be interesting is to see whether Warsh has the same design. The risk, of course, is perhaps that he doesn't and pulls back the amount of communication guidance that he wants to give. And then we'll see what fills that vacuum. What narrative fills that vacuum? And is he okay with that? So, it may be that there's a new sheriff in town, and he chooses that there's some questions I'll answer, others I won't. And so, I do think that interaction with the press corps will be interesting. Hard to know exactly where it's going to come down until we see it in real time. Matthew Hornbach: During Chair Warsh's testimony to Congress, he alluded to the idea that potentially the Fed may not do a press conference at every meeting going forward. How are you thinking about that in the context of this idea that if you leave a void, somebody else may fill it? Michael Gapen: Obviously, the Fed used to not have press conferences at all, and then they moved to having them quarterly or four times a year. And they found that that was a little suboptimal because it became harder to make decisions and changes in the off-press conference meetings [be]cause they didn't have a venue to explain what they were doing and what they were thinking. So, they migrated to eight meetings. So, I think it's kind of twofold. Yes, it would mean that they speak less and therefore maybe their word doesn't carry as much weight. Or there's longer gaps for other narratives to come in. Like, do we lose forward guidance from the Fed, and is that replaced by forward guidance from the Treasury, for example? How do markets weigh those signals? And but then also I would say would that ultimately box in the Fed to only make decisions on quarterly meetings rather than eight times a year? Would the chair, for example… Let's assume that at some point in the future, the Fed decides it does want to raise interest rates. Historically, the Fed does not surprise on rate hikes. It's perfectly willing to surprise on rate cuts, when it comes to that. But if there is a world where the Fed does decide, ‘Hey, we do need to raise rates, but we don't have a press conference to explain our view.' Would they take the decision at that meeting or would they wait? So, does it reduce their opportunity set? Matthew Hornbach: I think this issue would certainly be an interesting one for investors to think about, which is why I'm bringing it up with you. Because to the extent that the plan going forward is to hold a press conference only once a quarter, as you alluded to – investors may interpret that as the Fed not being willing to raise rates at every single meeting going forward, which would certainly affect the pricing in the very short end of the interest rate market. But more broadly, on communication strategy, do you think that that would be something that Chair Warsh would take upon himself? Or do you think it would be more likely for him to organize a committee to discuss communications? Michael Gapen: I think the right thing to do… Again, our job is to say what we think he will do – not what he should do. But I'm going to answer this one in the question of what I think he should do. I do think he should create, say, a subcommittee on communication and reevaluate what the Fed does. [Be]ause as chair, he has almost unilateral control over communications. But obviously you work within a committee, the committee operates with consensus. So, I do think it would make sense to, kind of, work through a committee and try and get as much consensus as you can. And, here, what I would hope where they, kind of, ultimately land is – Warsh has been critical in the past of the Fed's forecast, the forecast being incorrect, providing maybe incorrect forward guidance. And I would argue that it's not really the sole job of the SEPs – the Summary of Economic Projections – to provide a forecast. But what you get out of them is more than just a forecast. You get a hint of the committee's reaction function. That if data are above or below certain thresholds on growth, inflation, and unemplyment, then expect our policy path to look different. So, is there a way that he could review the communication strategy, tamp down the elements that are, say, a pure forecast, but keep the items that communicate to the market what a reaction function is? That's where I think a review committee could be useful in reforming or revamping what they do. Matthew Hornbach: Absolutely. In terms of the things that are really the purview of the committee, can you walk us through what those are in the context of Chair Warsh coming in having to ultimately make decisions on monetary policy – both interest rate policy as well as balance sheet policy? What are the purview of the committee itself? Michael Gapen: Yeah. The two main tools of monetary policy, in this case interest rate policy and balance sheet policy, is both of those are under the purview of the Federal Open Market Committee. So, to change interest rates, to reduce the size of the balance sheet, to change the rollover rate, to buy assets, to sell assets – all of that is an FOMC decision. There are subcomponents of that world where the board can make certain decisions. Now, the Fed views communication broadly as a tool, but in this case, communication is not an FOMC decision. The evolution of the communication strategy grew kind of organically out of '08, '09. Chairman Bernanke kind of started that process. It continued through, through Yellen. And that's been more of what I'll call a consensus operation, but there's no formal vote. So, the chair has a lot of control over how the Fed communicates, how often it communicates. But the policy decisions are from the FOMC. Matthew Hornbach: I'm often asked about this idea that less communication may end up affecting the bond market in certain ways. And typically, the concern amongst investors is that with less communication from the Fed – whether it be the chair or whether it be from the committee as a whole through the Summary of Economic Projections and its interest rate dot plot – there's concern amongst investors that removing that type of guidance would raise bond yields, essentially through the term premium component of the term structure. And the way that we think about it is probably in this environment where interest rates have already been inching higher, and investors are concerned about the hiking cycle that may eventuate, it probably would raise term premia initially. But from a more medium-term perspective, the way I think about it is that, you know, term premia can be positive, it can also be negative. And if we have less forward guidance, I would generally expect that term premium component to be more volatile than it has been in the past. Not necessarily just in the upward direction. But it could also be in the downward direction if the macro environment ends up changing in some way. Michael Gapen: Yeah, I could see in the current context, the inflation surprises have been to the upside, so less communication may mean more term premium. But we went through almost a decade after '08, '09, where most of those surprises were to the downside. So, you can imagine that it could be a symmetric story rather than an asymmetric one. Matthew Hornbach: Absolutely. Well, thanks Mike. That's very interesting, and thanks for taking the time to talk ahead of this upcoming FOMC meeting. I'm looking forward to our next discussion around the following FOMC meeting. Michael Gapen: Great speaking with you, Matt. Matthew Hornbach: And thanks for listening. If you enjoy Thoughts on the Market, please leave us a review wherever you listen and share the podcast with a friend or colleague today.