Word Podcast

Andy Bown found the 20 year-old recordings of “a deep-space love story” he'd written with the sci-fi author Russell Hoban and he's just reworked and released them. He talks to us here about “Out There” and life in the Herd, Judas Jump and Status Quo, which involves … … playing the Three Tuns in Beckenham with Bowie … “Foot gun, gun foot. I always tell the truth.” … Peter Frampton when he was The Face of ‘68 … “we were earning £225 a night and got £15 a week. Where did the money go?” … Quo's Whatever You Want and how co-writing works … David's memories of the Herd supporting Chuck Berry in 1968 … opening for Hendrix at Saville Theatre, eight feet from his flaming guitar: “you could feel the heat” … Judas Jump, Don Arden, the huge advance and the “appalling” album … sessions with Jerry Lee Lewis who played the solo with his foot … early days in Status Quo when he played behind a curtain and how they got to be Live Aid's opening act … “You'd think John Fogerty would be pleased about Rockin' All Over The World. Au contraire!” Order ‘Out There: A Deep-Space Love Story' here: https://andybown.com/Help us to keep the conversation going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The album has had 25 years of being hammered by other formats – Napster, iTunes, Spotify, TikTok – and not only survived but thrived. For Keith Jopling it's the irreplaceable way to hear music and to measure the people who make it. His new book Body Of Work celebrates its battle-scarred trajectory from the beating heart of pop culture to 21st Century affordable luxury, and stops off at … … growing up in the age of cassettes … his lifelong devotion to a Police album left on his doorstep … Adele's battle with Spotify to get records played in sequence … how albums are how you calibrate a career, from the Beatles to Taylor Swift … has anyone ever loved a CD the way they love an album? … how parents used to despair of their kids loafing in bedrooms listening to records but now try and persuade them to do it … pictures of equipment: rock porn! … the swingback to Listening Parties and analogue recording … records as shining examples of the packaged goods business … “we need to regain control of our attention” … and the iTunes launch party and why Smashing Pumpkins thought they'd seen the future. Order Body Of Work in the UK here: https://www.roughtrade.com/product/keith-jopling/body-of-work-how-the-album-outplayed-the-algorithm-and-survived-playlist-culture And in the USA here: https://repeaterbooks.com/product/body-of-work-how-the-album-outplayed-the-algorithm-and-survived-playlist-culture/Help us to keep the conversation going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Unredacted exchanges about the rock and roll underworld this week highlight the following … … real or made-up stars' kids' names: Speck Wildhorse? Blue Ivy? Everly Bear? Motorhead Michelob? … man plays drum solo with his head! … Olivia Dean, Lola Young, FKA Twigs: what do today's ‘professionals' learn at the BRIT School and what happened to the age of the amateurs? … why Joni Mitchell's life was even more extraordinary before she was famous … Three Dog Night, Kiss, Grand Funk Railroad, Linda Ronstadt: American acts that never broke Britain … rude, racy, naughty, delightful: our love of old pulp paperbacks … “Go to your room, young lady, and play a Nick Drake album in its entirety!” … and when Dandelion became Angela. Plus birthday guest Paul Higham and why most stars' stories need a lively biographer.Help us to keep the conversation going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Bowie's early years have been scrutinised repeatedly but people tend to speed through the last act, from the early ‘90s to his death in 2016. Alexander Larman's ‘Lazarus: The Second Coming Of David Bowie' looks at his resurrection and the mystery of his final days in Manhattan in attractively honest detail, a book that's as fondly critical of his artistic decisions as it's celebratory. Under discussion here … … ‘David Bowie was a fictional invention and much of his life an act' … how wrong so many album reviews turned out to be … “he liked to be liked and he put a lot of effort into being liked” … Eno, Tony Visconti, Nile Rodgers, Pet Shop Boys and his endless search for collaborators … the Lucian Freud incident at the Dorchester … Scott Walker's taped message: “I see God in the window” ... “he trusted in the idea he was a genius” … the sharp contrast been his public image and private life … how his Lord's Prayer at the Freddie Mercury tribute was a deliberate attempt to steal the show … the piercing question Tin Machine were asked on ‘Wogan' … and the struggle to find anything sincere in his interviews. Order ‘Lazarus' here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lazarus-Second-Coming-David-Bowie/dp/1917923449Help us to keep the conversation going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

David Sinclair was a long-running rock critic for the Times, Rolling Stone and many others and now makes records himself. He looks back here at some of the first bands he saw and the extraordinary people he interviewed, which touches on … … the day Bowie took him to the Hammersmith Odeon to stand on the spot where he announced his retirement … Keith Richards' dark side (and what he said about Lady Di) … interviewing Prince “who seemed like a shadow” … seeing Free in 1970: “I still think about it. Some bands are like footprints in fresh snow” … Hendrix on a bill with Cat Stevens and the Walker Brothers when he was 14 … singles he wore out in the days when you had to change the needle … his theory about the lyrics of Crossroads … “the Simon Templar of rock journalism” … the purgatory of being a serious musician when Spotify adds 100,000 new tracks a day … and the Shadows, the Scorpions, Sting, ZZ Top, David Coverdale and … Millstone Grit. David Sinclair's music here: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4oMczlXHj1pt6M4ZNGR14E?si=_9Dx_G_UQ3GifCFGFra07A To buy here: https://www.davidsinclairfour.com/shop Tickets to the 100 Club, May19: https://www.solidentertainments.com/100club/index.htmlHelp us to keep the conversation going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A bone-shaking ride on the weekly news cycle, stopping off here to pump up the tyres …. … Springsteen's Streets Of Minneapolis: it's not what he said but the fact that he's said it … “they're all just Sly & Robbie records but with someone different singing on them” … the price of stadium tickets: if it's too high, don't go – but stop complaining! … Catherine O'Hara's wit and humanity in Waiting For Guffman and A Mighty Wind, and why Home Alone wouldn't work without her … Melania's deal with Amazon: the most craven act in the history of entertainment? … is Mick Jones the first cousin of a Tory Home Secretary? … the secret art of “four-walling” … are most fans conservative with a small ‘c'? … the romance of knackered old ‘70s New York: “the cheap pleasures have gone” … and the whitest rap of all time! Plus birthday guest Roger Millington and the agony of a band's “new direction”.Help us to keep the conversation going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adele Bertei got a Greyhound to New York in 1977 intent on joining a band. James Chance thought she “looked like a pimp” and hired her as the organist in the Contortions, an instrument she couldn't play. Her memoir No New York captures the most intoxicating times imaginable, the rise of Blondie, Talking Heads, Television, Madonna and her fellow raft of No Wave cheerleaders in pursuit of dismantling music. Highlights include … … the local priest recommending the Velvet Underground when she was 11 … “imbibe and dream”: her weekend with Lester Bangs … the rubble-filled New York wasteland of 1977, landlords setting fire to property just to claim the insurance … the No Wave circuit: crowd violence and singers who either talked or screamed .. her rivalry with Madonna: “our labels didn't want people to know we were white” … the local Cleveland “Rust Belt” - Pere Ubu, Chrissie Hynde, Devo … why Warhol, Ginsberg and Burroughs seemed laughably outmoded … Brian Eno's shopping list … the power of Tina Weymouth, Patti Smith and Debbie Harry (“sexy but with a snarl”) and why New York's venues are internationally mythical. Order Adele Bertei's ‘No New York' here: https://www.faber.co.uk/product/9780571386154-no-new-york/?srsltid=AfmBOor2IKVLRyzzZDisLz_8cTGDYIjDXphZVU9Lw5drAd4CdKR1KVhs Adele with Thomas Dolby on Whistle Test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ3bGioFCXUHelp us to keep the conversation going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Steve Lillywhite first got a foot in the studio door aged 17 making demos for Ultravox and became a producer with credits on over 500 records. He doesn't have a copy of any of them but kept his Grammys and his CBE. The job involves being a lightning-rod, cheer-leader, editor, finisher and “as diplomatic as Henry Kissinger”. He looks back here from his ‘Lillypad' in Bali at the milestones along the way, among them … … “I'd done my 10,000 hours by the age of 22” ... “If it ain't broke, break it!” … when he screwed up as a tape-op: “you only do it once” … why bands never want to leave the studio … breakthrough hits with Johnny Thunders, Siouxsie and the Psychedelic Furs … “there's been no new technology in the last ten years” … the radio plugger who heard Sunday Bloody Sunday and said “sounds like a hit but you'll have to lose the word Bloody” … “when Mick and Keith weren't talking they communicated through me” … why Muff Winwood wanted to fire Larry Mullen … why producers can't hear a hit … Adam Clayton and Nick Rhodes “aren't musicians” … “make the drums less Huntley & Palmers!” … the Wrecking Crew versus the “One-Man Show" production of today … and memories of making Vertigo, Fairytale of New York and Making Plans for Nigel.Help us to keep the conversation going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Scanning the baggage carousel of news to see what sets off the alarm, which this week involves … … Springsteen: why is America's most American American so quiet about his President on home turf? … the Seven Ages of Nepo: in defence of Julian Lennon, Joe Sumner and Brooklyn Beckham … the Robbie Williams story that gets our goat… why do half the UK music venues make no profit? … the onstage ‘act' that did 104 minutes non-stop… pre-testing EDM singles on the dancefloor … Four Boys in the Wind! What A Night That Day Was! - foreign editions of A Hard Day's Night … in praise of the Latin Playboys … the mid-‘60s mystery album that outsold the Beatles … and we name the root of all ills in popular music!Help us to keep the conversation going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Fairport tour again in 2026 and are playing their annual Cropredy Convention in August, its 50th year. The rolling Kent landscape behind him, co-founder Simon Nicol looks back at almost six decades in the line-up, the first shows he ever saw and played, why he can't wait to get back on the tour bus again, and … … the intoxication of live music – “lost in a moment that's never happened before and won't be repeated” … Count Basie at the Astoria, aged 7 – “the moulded Turkish ottomans! The massed ranks of brass!” … December 4 1972, the day he left the band (and why) … “we've been self-governing since we were kicked out in 1979” … the Ravens in Muswell Hill the night they became the Kinks: “frock coats and hunting boots” … Professor Bruce Lacey, the mad scientist-inventor celebrated in a Fairport song … Ashley Hutchings' Little Black Book where band line-ups were assembled: “like an executive chef who chose the ingredients but didn't wash up” … playing Mississippi Fred McDowell and country blues in the Ethnic Shuffle Orchestra … narrative songs and the “shoulders-down” rhythms on Music From Big Pink and how Fairport found their identity … finding obscure Phil Ochs, David Ackles and Joni Mitchell songs for early Fairport … and the first Cropredy in the village hall in 1976: you can still arrive by barge! Fairport Convention tour tickets here: https://www.fairportconvention.com/gigs-tours/ Cropredy 2026 tickets here: https://www.fairportconvention.com/tickets/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Miles Hunt is on tour in 2026 – solo, with Vent 414 and the Wonder Stuff - and looks back here at his 40 years on stage, which involves … … stifling hecklers the John Lydon way: “the exits are clearly marked!” … what percussion does to your ears … “when a tout's selling your £3 ticket for £50 you know you've made it!” … keytars, flat drums, guitars without headstocks: things that are JUST PLAIN WRONG! … seeing Slade at Birmingham Town Hall when he was 10 … why the Size Of A Cow was “the moment a lot of our audience thought we'd sold out” … Hunter S Thompson, Charles Bukowski: books that work on a tour bus … when drummers ‘cramp up' … and why he won't perform Dizzy with Vic Reeves. Order Miles Hunt and Wonder Stuff tickets here: https://thewonderstuff.co.uk/tour/Help us to keep the conversation going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Ogden's Nut Gone Flake is being reissued on Kenney Jones' Nice Records, along with unheard outtakes discovered when the original master was found in one of his battered old drum cases. He talks to us here – with the compiler Rob Caiger – about the chaotic construction of the Small Faces' 1968 masterpiece and his mission to “carry on the legacy”. Are you all sitting comftybold two-square on your botty? Then we'll begin. Among the highlights … … the Thames boating accident that inspired the album … booking Stanley Unwin when Spike Milligan turned them down – and the day Stanley invented ‘Unwinese' … insomniac days in the band's Westmoreland Terraceflat … the value of Marriott's stage school background: “he could always ham things up” … hidden treasures on the original tape – “you hear Steve and Ronnie talking” … the magic of that fragile tobacco-tin artwork … possession is nine-tenths of the law! … Marriott's wall-banging Chiswick neighbours that inspired Lazy Sunday … “I'm the only one left and want to carry on the legacy” … other lost Immediate sessions to be released on Nice Records Order the Ogden's Nut Gone Flake expanded 3CD set here, direct from Kenney's Nice Records imprint: https://www.nicerecords.co.uk/collections/ogdens-nut-gone-flakeHelp us to keep the conversation going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A tie-dyed-in-the-wool rock & roll space odyssey to infinity and beyond which stops off this week at … … why the Dead's music was “like lighting a match in the wind” … Ha Ha Harlem! Rebels Without Applause! – Morrissey song or Lenny Bruce comic routine? … Sting v Sumner & Copeland and what Every Breath You Take makes daily just from streaming … is Oasis “the biggest exchange of money for old rope in the history of commerce?” … rock stars in shorts … John Hartford and his Willie Nelson Sliding Doors moment … how Mother McCree's Uptown Jug Champions became the most hi-tech band on the planet … Rock ‘babes' in the Bob Weir mould – eg Michael Clarke of the Byrds, Evan Dando and Mark Gardener from Ride … has anyone made more by doing less than JJ Burnel on Golden Brown? ... plus Warren Zevon song titles, Mary Coughlan in a coracle and the first records we reviewed for money.Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Steve Cradock's touring with Ocean Colour Scene in 2026 and in his own show, Travellers Tunes, with his wife and son Steve – “we're like the Von Trapps!” This highly original night involves them “living like gypsies in the spirit of Ronnie Lane”. He looks back here, from his psychedelic Mod-shrine converted garage in Totnes, at the first shows he ever saw and played, which touches on … …seeing UB40 at Birmingham Odeon, aged 13 – “I was bruised for days” … an after-school Duran Duran video shoot … “three 45-minute sets a night”: doing J Geils Band and Lennon covers pre-Bingo in working men's clubs, aged 15 … playing Scooter Rallies in Gorleston-on-Sea in pilled-up homage to the Purple Hearts, the Jam and Secret Affair … the imperishable sound of the early Small Faces – “the tone, the feedback, Plonk smashing his bass” … an intense love of Northern Soul, Soft Cell, the Pretenders, Costello and the La's … the Stones Roses, “the most important show I ever saw – the hair, the clothes, the songs, the guitars” … supporting Oasis at Knebworth … “musicians' books bore me” …. three days in a pub with Chris Evans and regrets about “the double-edged sword” of the Riverboat Song on TGI Friday … and Paul Weller with love beads Buy Steve Cradock tickets here: https://www.stevecradock.com/tour/Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Mary Coughlan – aka “Ireland's Billie Holiday”, adored by Nick Cave, Shane MacGowan and Elvis Costello - is on tour again in 2026. This warm, funny and circuitous conversation looks back from her home in Wicklow at the first shows she ever saw and played and various milestones along the road, among them … … singing Two Little Orphans (aged 5) at a Christmas party: “The adrenaline rush! Applause and lemonade!” … escaping down ladders from school to see Rory Gallagher in Galway and the nuns waiting when she returned … seeing Donovan on the Aran Islands in 1969, a trip from the mainland by currach … meeting Mike Stoller and re-recording Peggy Lee's savaged Mirrors album: “more relevant now than ever”… Elton John (dressed as a hornet) at Watford Stadium and the embroidered floral skirt she'd made to watch him … her love of cabaret and old 78s and the songs she and Erik Visser chose to launch her career … her transformative slot on the Late Late Show in 1984: “I played to four people the night before; a week later they were queuing round the block” … Frank Sinatra's mysterious autocue and sitting next to Roger Moore in his audience (“very orange”) … “I adored St Dominic's Preview and 15 years later Van Morrison was in my dressing-room” … her cure for insomnia … why Joe Strummer meant so much to her … and her 200-song live repertoire – from Meet Me Where They Play The Blues and Don't Smoke In Bed to Love Will Tear Us Apart. Order Mary Coughlan tickets here: https://www.marycoughlan.ie/upcoming-showsHelp us keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

‘January,' a revered pop lyricist once wrote, ‘sick and tired you've been hanging on me.' And if that's the mood down your way, this might help crank up the heat, alighting as it does upon the following … … Guns N'Roses and the imperial age of the pop video: director Nigel Dick remembers the $750,000 budget … ‘lost elfin Scots superstar': missing Incredible String Band member found after 40 years! … comparing the original West End Girls to the re-made worldwide hit: “like a Top Of The Pops album doing the same song” … the three ages of Bowie and why he's becoming a religious cult … gangster-wall-papering the Melody Maker office as an Ian Dury promo stunt ... the magic of stars' childhood bedrooms … “he's got a tinfoil pal and a pedal bin”: Star Wars in a nutshell … Tales of Brave Ulysses: psychedelia in under three minutes …. and has there ever been a fictional band as convincing as McGwyer Mortimer? Andy Miller on Licorice McKecknie here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/incredible-band-146577648 Nigel Dick's wonderful video for God Only Knows here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXhEkug1G-QHelp us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Cartwheeling into 2026 with the usual cast of rock and roll heroes and pantomime villains. Behind you this week you'll find … … Boy George? Rick Wakeman? Chas Smash? Vanilla Ice? Pop stars who've done panto … will there ever be another Rock Knighthood? … Dylan, Elton, Chrissie Hynde and Lil Wayne mention Brigitte Bardot in songs: but who's seen any of her films? … “the Brigitte Bardot idea of beauty was conceived at the same time as the idea of rock and roll” … Chris Rea's obsession with Miles Davis – and the tale of Benny Santini … Billy Joel's ‘We Didn't Start The Fire' and ‘Hello' by the Beloved and their roll calls of saints and sinners … David saw Bob Marley at the Lyceum but now thinks he's seen a show that was even better … the great attraction of cinema is “our furtive dreams in the dark” … what Van Morrison owes Hugh McCracken for the intro to Brown-Eyed Girl … and birthday guest Andrew Slattery's Hepworth v Ellen SmashWaddy reviews quiz!Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Peter Hammill has spent nearly six decades building the most devoted following imaginable – Bowie, Peter Gabriel and Mark E Smith among them. ‘Rock And Role' tells his invigorating story, beautifully illustrated with photos, cuttings, artwork and memorabilia. Author Joe Banks looks back at his life, impact and captivating way with words, and stops off at … … the value of looks and charisma in the days when labels hadn't the faintest idea of the future … how Hammill “created a world to live inside and broadcast from” … psychedelic cabaret with wolf masks and blood capsules … meeting Hammill's muse and former girlfriend Alice: “50 years later, each still think the other one left them” … “songs that ask the big questions about life” … discovering VDGG in 1984 (via Marillion) and piecing together their story in the days before the internet … public school, Gilbert & Sullivan and the Hallelujah Chorus … the influence of A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers on Genesis' Supper's Ready … his plans with Mark E Smith and how Bowie had every new album delivered to him all his life … Charisma, Tony Stratton-Smith and the freedom to experiment … the intensity of his following in Japan and Italy: “there's no such thing as a casual Hammill fan”. Order ‘Rock And Role' here: https://burningshed.com/store/kingmakerHelp us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Deck the halls with cheese and Bolly! … and a dish of the usual rock and roll distraction which this week throws the following logs on the fire … … the greatest Xmas single ever? … Metal Machine Music, Cut the Crap, Two Sides of the Moon … can panned records ever be rehabilitated? … how Roxy Music invented ‘rock brand-value' and turned it into pictures … Joe Ely and the romance of songs about the American landscape … Rob Reiner and why that scene in When Harry Met Sally is the greatest marriage of people and ideas … the real-life moment that inspired Spinal Tap … “most American pop music is about geography” … "I keep my fingernails long so they click when I play the piano" … Jordan Carl Wheeler Davis? Michael Holbrook Penniman Jr? Mystery acts playing Wembley Arena … the British think America is “fabulous and otherworldly”. Americans think Britain is “quaint” … plus the magnificent McGarrigles' Christmas Hour, farewell Hofner and we name the Finnegan's Wake of rock music!Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com.wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Beloved Australian songwriter Paul Kelly has just turned 70 – “it sounds Biblical, threescore years and ten.” He looks back here at the road he took to get there, from early days in Adelaide to the pub circuit to his catalogueof stirring and eloquent songs about the big issues of life and love, as Neil Finn says, “with not a trace of pretence or fakery”. You'll find … … the moment he felt he'd arrived … the story of How To Make Gravy – “a Christmas song with no chorus about a man in prison” – and Rita Wrote A Letter, its ghostly sequel … early records he loved – Tommy Roe, Peter Paul & Mary, Yes, Deep Purple, Frank Zappa, the “chaotic” Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong … life on the Melbourne pub circuit playing Neil Young, Gram Parsons and Hank Williams … touring with Leonard Cohen – “a masterclass in performance, like a prayer, a ritual, like a Vaudevillian Rabbi” .. the storytelling songs of the Stanley Brothers, the Louvin Brothers and Buck Owens ... the great Calypso cricket tradition and the track he wrote about Shane Warne … “the odd-sock drawer”: the file in his computer where he stores early sketches … I'm In Love With A Blue Frog, the five chords that underpinned 50 years of songwriting! … the intricacy of Neil Finn's impressionistic lyrics … and the things you hear in your songs when someone else sings them. Order Paul Kelly's ‘Seventy' here: https://paulkelly.lnk.to/seventyHelp us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Lucinda Williams was a teenage activist singing We Shall Overcome at protest marches and she's taken up the cudgels again on her new album World's Gone Wrong. She talks to us here from her home in Nashville about … … early inspirations - Dylan, Donovan, Joan Baez, Peter Paul & Mary, Buffy Sainte-Marie – and her love of Sandy Denny, Bert Jansch, Nick Drake and ‘60s British folk … playing Delta blues for tips at Andy's in Bourbon Street in 1971 … her sudden favourite Beatle switch – “Paul … then George!” … her Dad's Ray Charles and Hank Williams records … seeing jazz pianist Sweet Emma Barrett in Preservation Hall in the ‘60s and Hendrix at a New Orleans sports arena … the effect of her stroke in 2020 and having to re-learn the guitar – “I tend to write in G now as it's the easiest chord to play” … the allure of medieval murder ballads, “far too dark” for most Americans ... songs she always plays live (one by Neil Young) … finding her tribe in Nashville – “when I arrived people asked, ‘What church do you go to?' not ‘Do you go to church'?” … being “a quarter Welsh” … and the song she wrote about her president in 2018 – 'We have slow-danced with the devil/ We have swallowed the liquid of his lies' - and the new version she's just recorded. 2026 tickets here: https://www.lucindawilliams.com/tour Order World's Gone Wrong here: https://30tgrs.ffm.to/worldsgonewrongHelp us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Shock, horror, public outcry and moments of moral turpitude plus with the usual news, rants and old hokum, which this week alights upon … … why Gene Simmons thinks “musicians are treated worse than slaves” ... the high noon of Madonna and her foil-wrapped Sex book … is Rufus Wainwright pop's most successful nepo-baby? … how CMAT forced Bertie Ahern to pull out of the Irish Presidency … the Stackwaddy Quiz: If I Had Legs I'd Kick You? Getting Killed? Sinister Grift? Pitchfork Album of the Year or an entry in the Berlin Film Festival? … from Mods & Rockers to illegal raves: pop scandals that hit the headlines … can we blame Gap for the moment kids started to dress the same? … was the death of Top Of The Pops the end of the pop consensus? … Fela Kuta, arrested 200 times … Jackson Browne, “never far from tragedy” … is ‘70s funk and soul the best driving music? … 42 year-old hears Hejira and the Stooges' Metallic KO for the first time … plus Tetsu Yamauchi RIP, David Sylvian in a converted ashram in New Hampshire and birthday guest Sandra Austin. CMAT's Euro-Country (which skewered Bertie Ahern): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz8_HxITJF0&list=RDnz8_HxITJF0&start_radio=1 Dave Brubeck ‘playing' Golden Brown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qs1J612nZsHelp us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What's the word ‘punk' come to mean 50 years later? It's been adopted by the very people it sought to unsettle. Chris Sullivan – DJ, club runner, lecturer, former band-leader – arrived in London just as it kicked off and looks back at a time when everything was a challenge, no-one apologised, outsiders linked up and fought for recognition, and pop culture could change overnight. We talk to him here about ‘Punk: the Last Word' which traces its roots from Socrates to Soho, touching on… … does ‘punk' now mean conformity? … is pop music still allowed to be outrageous? … Socrates, Rimbaud, Lee Miller, the Warhol superstars: 2,000 years of people who embody the punk philosophy … how the clothes often precede the music … the 1975 pre-Pistols world – “people dressing as teddy boys, Marilyn Monroe, Cary Grant, records by Patti Smith, the Velvets, MC5” … the days when you were attacked for dressing up, in his case by the Newport Rugby team and a guy with a starting handle at a service station ... new punk equivalents emerging in 2025 … how the spirit of punk gave people a drive and identity – Tracey Emin, Damien Hirst, Jonathan Ross, John Galliano … “I threw a policeman through a plate-glass window” Order ‘Punk: the Last Word' here: https://www.waterstones.com/book/punk/stephen-colegrave/chris-sullivan/9781915841254Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

UK Subs formed in 1976 when Charlie Harper was 32. They've had over 80 members, some of whom he can't remember. They never split up and are touring in 2026 to celebrate his 82nd birthday. “I vowed I'd keep playing as long at the Stones - which I'm now starting to regret!” After 50 years on the punk frontline, he's the first to see the humour in going deaf and “having to have the occasional sit-down”. This fond and honest conversation looks back at … … seeing the Stones at Ken Colyers' jazz club and drinking with them in the Porcupine … making £4 a day – “a fortune” – playing tube stations in 1964: “ex-buskers never get stagefright” … “dreadlocks, Afros, convoy cuts” – confessions of a teenage hairdresser … what he learnt from Joe Strummer and the 101-ers … his punk epiphany: seeing the Damned at the Roxy in 1976 … playing France's Hellfest to 30,000 people and why the spirit of ‘77 still burns on the West Coast … famous fans: Guns N'Roses, Hanoi Rocks, Dinosaur Jnr … the UK Subs' run-in with US Immigration … skiffle, Jesse Fuller, Woody Guthrie, Big Bill Broonzy, Donovan and mid-‘70s R&B …the onstage rigours of getting old: “I don't get adrenaline anymore and have to have the occasional sit-down!” … Where Did I Leave My Glasses? Why Did I Come Upstairs? – our fantasy tracks for the senior citizen! Order UK Subs tickets here: https://ww.uksubstimeandmatter.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16899&Itemid=161Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The boys of the NYPD choir are still singing Galway Bay, so pour yourself a measure of the Rare Old Mountain Dew and warm your toes on the following … … Steve Lillywhite (in Bali!) remembers making Fairytale Of New York and how “a fiery redhead” kicked the Chrissie Hynde duet into touch … the most recent singer-songwriter you could call “a ledge”? … records we loved in our 20s but now feel a bit embarrassing … “discipline and economy, tension and release”: the immortal twangs and tweaks of Steve Cropper and how the MGs redefined the idea of a great record … Green Onions, I Thank You by Sam & Dave and the white heat of Otis Blue's 24-hour recording ... Tim Buckley's Greatest Misses ... performative listening: the exquisite awkwardness of the album playback! … the link between Imogen Heap and the Hissing of Summer Lawns … Jon Bon Jovi's version of Fairytale – “so bad they had to turn the YouTube comments off!” … plus Gram Parsons, the cult of the Blues Brothers, the Monochrome Set and a quiz from birthday guest Peter Petyt: spot the Hepworth/Ellen reviews of yesteryear! The new live version of Fairytale of New York: http://pogues.lnk.to/FONYLiveGlasgow1987 Josh Smith demonstrating Steve Cropper's guitar parts: https://youtu.be/LJEIwggKAsg?si=29weA4tBQE6ccj1-Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In 1963, Capitol Records considered the Beatles “a band who looked and sounded weird with an odd name and no leader” and refused to release their records in America, despite being owned by EMI. As author Andrew Cook points out, “the truth is stranger than fiction”. New correspondence unearthed in his fascinating Capitol Gains maps out the tortuous wranglings of the deal-makers and “pantomime bad guys” behind the greatest and most successful marketing hype in history, all jockeying to take credit and manage their reputations. Some highlights here … … the truth behind Epstein's mythical phone calls … “the more successful the Beatles were, the more Capitol were proving themselves wrong” … why 1966 was the band's “Last Supper” … “from the Battle of Hastings to World War 2 to the Beatles ... it's the winners who rewrite history” … the American 12-track rule and how they repackaged product “to give it more grab” … the Beatles' commercial fate if they'd never been successful in the States … the pitiful (standard) original EMI deal – “18.75 of a penny per group member for every album” … the “Butcher sleeve”: how 750,000 were printed and the fortune lost in “Operation Retrieve”. And the Capitol exec whose kids made $1.5m from copies stashed in his garage … how Epstein was contracted to make 25 per cent of all Beatles monies ‘til 1975 … Bob Dylan's tangential role in the signing of the Beatles to Capitol … and the “cowboy film” that nearly happened. Order Capitol Gains here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Capitol-Gains-Beatles-Conquered-America/dp/1803997281Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Glorious news! The Undertones, dependable symbols of eternal youth, are setting out on a 50th anniversary tour in 2026, still playing Teenage Kicks and Here Comes the Summer in their mid-60s. Damian O'Neill joined when he was 14 and can't believe it either. He looks back here at … … their first gig in a scout hall - “Feargal was a Scout leader!” - and their second for 1,000 schoolkids at St Joseph's in Derry … the world-wide appeal of their Irish identity and why “America never got us” … David's memories of interviewing them for Smash Hits in 1979 the day they thought “we're finished” ... “We were anti-pretension!” … seeing Horslips, Rory Gallagher, the Blockheads, Eddie & the Hot Rods and the Lurkers … joining the band at 14 and playing Beatles, Stones, Them, Cream and Dr Feelgood covers … parkas, Millets jeans and the Derry boot-boy look. “If you dressed up in those days you ran the risk of getting your head kicked in” … being in the band's HQ the night Peel played Teenage Kicks twice in a row … songs about “love and lack of love” – and girls and chocolate … how it feels to be on Top Of The Pops and then watch your single go down the charts … their first visit to a studio (Wizard in Belfast) and self-producing Teenage Kicks with just an engineer – and still playing it in your mid-60s … and a heartfelt apology to the people of Blackburn! Order tickets for the Undertones 50th Anniversary tour here: https://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/the-undertones-tickets/artist/959984Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Twenty pounds of headlines plus rants, theories and the odd slice of old hokum: served hot. Which this week involves … … Jimmy Cliff and how his versatility worked against him … the Conjuror? Eyeball Tickler? The Concert in the Egg? Hieronymus Bosch painting or late-period Oasis B-side? … Motown, Jacksons, Beatles, Chili Peppers? What's the greatest bassline on record? … what you notice watching the new Beatles' Anthology 4 ... why the leading edge of novelty is the internet … from Eddie Cochran to the Bonzos, Can, Hawkwind, Costello and Stone Roses: the pioneering life of label-boss Andrew Lauder … when did it become impossible to date records by their sound? And when did they stop sounding like glorious accidents? … Joan Armatrading? Carole King? Dido? Which singer-songwriters are legends? … what's “stuck culture”? … is Tomorrow Never Knows the only one-chord wonder? … the link between Good Times, Another One Bites the Dust and Rapper's Delight … whalebone corsets, butchers' knives: Nick Cave and the art of 18th century lyric-writing … “Graham Coxon was a trumpet player and plays the guitar like a trumpet!” Plus birthday guest Kevin Walsh: which musicians are freaks and which cheerleaders? Hear Wilton Felder's isolated bass on the Jackson 5's' I Want You Back': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z91l_lPz1ocHelp us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Boo Hewerdine, beloved singer-songwriter, has been onstage for 40 years in venues of every type, shape and size. He thinks of himself as a “tradesman”, a world that's immensely satisfying but a tough call. This very funny, poignant podcast paints a vivid picture of the best and worst of times. Which include … … playing scout huts, libraries, churches, folk clubs and the Palladium … the world's best dressing-room (it's in Stroud) and worst venue (Pittsburgh) … “the engine inside you that makes you want to be onstage” … places that only suit “a lute being played with a feather” … a home birthday show with no audience and the chilling lyrics of Chris Difford's ‘Round The Houses' … the joy of writing for commission … seeing Dr Feelgood in 1975 … what's satisfying what gives you pause for thought … the brilliant Ballad Of Wallis Island, streaky bacon as a bookmark and the kind of Travelodge with a bottle-opener attached to the desk. All things Boo: https://boohewerdine.com / @boohewerdine ‘Things Found In Books': https://yvonnelyon.bandcamp.com/album/things-found-in-booksHelp us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

News, rants, theories and curios which this week includes …. … how Mani made the Stone Roses swing … Mick & Keith, Meg & Jack, Hall & Oates, Neil & Chris … ‘Sliding Doors' encounters that changed the landscape … the glorious sound of profanity on records! … what makes you a legend in county music? … the subtle genius of Nicky Hopkins' session work .. would Elvis have happened without Marion Keisker? … Willie Nelson – “a face like Mount Rushmore, a voice like the whole hinterland of America” … ever catch yourself listening to something and think ‘how would I explain this to an observer?' … the music you hear when 14 stays with you all your life … the singles charts of 1978 – Terry Wogan next to John Otway! Arthur Mullard and the Stranglers! Nick Lowe and Ally's Tartan Army! … why Lucinda Williams is an open book … when XTC went pastoral … 42 year-old hears Clear Spot and Raw Power for the first time! ... plus the Wrecking Crew, a Libertines Xmas sweater, birthday guest Dean Roderick and the time Emmylou Harris had two puddings. Pig's Boogie by the Jerry Garcia Band: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd0357IsE9kHelp us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Crispian Mills knew he'd be onstage as he's from a “family of professional show-offs” but they begged him not to be an actor. He talks here about his extraordinary showbusiness childhood and the band that emerged from it full of psychedelia, echoes of the East and warm invitations to join the First Congregational Church of Eternal Love and Free Hugs. Along with … … his mother Hayley Mills playing him Tubular Bells to get him to sleep - “profoundly scary” … Roman Polanski's ‘special' Marlboro cigarettes when filming Tess in Brittany … grandfather John Mills being “discovered” by Noel Coward in Singapore and memories of him playing Gershwin and Cole Porter on the piano … “you need talent and hard work but nobody makes it without luck” … what the record store hippie told him when he bought Deep Purple In Rock aged 12 … leather jacket, polka dot shirt, Brian Jones bowl haircut, My Bloody Valentine gig – “I'd found my tribe!” … supporting Oasis at Knebworth – “I couldn't see how they were going to cut it” … Adam and the Ants, Rock Me Amadeus and playing Ramones songs in the school band … returning from Rishikesh in 1995 and watching the Beatles' Super-8 clips: “as if we'd been on the same holiday” … nostalgia for the big TV and radio events of the ‘90s … Shirley Manson's speech about the “tragedy” of the 21st C music business … and Kula Shaker's Mad Alchemy Liquid Light Show – “oil slides, pure analogue!” Tickets for their 2026 tour here: https://kulashaker.co.uk/pages/liveHelp us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

“All bands are sad stories,” Peter Doggett points out, but is there a more woven, moving and, at times, farcical tale than that of the Beach Boys? It gives the sound of them a greater melancholy and resonance with every passing year. As his fascinating new book Surf's Up reveals, nothing that happened is straightforward and very little as simple as it sounds. We talk here about … … Dennis Wilson and the Beach Boys' creation myth … what started their revival … why they'd never have survived beyond 1962 without Mike Love … was Derek Taylor's ‘Brian is a genius' campaign partly to explain his procrastination and eccentricity? … the chaos of SMiLE and the long shadow of the Beatles … Murry Wilson's “superstar” ambitions and original plan for the group … the days when they looked like Old Testament prophets or hippies from Central Casting … Dennis and Manson, Carl v the draft, Mike Love's arrest … scandals that would have sunk them in the days of social media … the “Brian as victim trope” and his extraordinary appearance on “The Tension Behind the Music” … when Bart Simpson turned them down … can anyone name a good Beach Boys album cover? … and the band's future, a controlled touring franchise with no original members Order Peter Doggett's ‘Surf's Up: Brian Wilson & the Beach Boys' here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Surfs-Up-Brian-Wilson-Beach/dp/1917923341Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Five decades of rock and roll with none of the names redacted. In the despatches this week … … Kevin Rowland? Adam Ant? Toyah? Morrissey? Which Smash Hits cover stars are now ‘legends'? … a classic encounter with Van Morrison down a Bristol alley … the boy who mailed dead rodents and Boomtown Rats singles to radio stations became Pope Leo XIV! … 25 recent big-name Hollywood films all flopped. Are robots the new movie stars?… was Sticky Fingers the last Stones album with songs? … best nights out for a tenner … RIP Gilson Lavis and Donna Godchaux ... the daft rituals of the '70s ‘slow dance' … when Percy Sledge was a hospital porter … “Run for your life, it's Eater!” … Tom Waits' on-brand luggage, Boo Hewerdine and birthday guest Mike Sketch on the joy of gigs on your own (and in a scout hut in Staveley).Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Musicians have flirted with Nazi imagery since the ‘60s, lampooning its theatre, absorbing its style, exploiting its shock value, even promoting its ideology. Daniel Rachel's new book ‘This Ain't Rock ‘N' Roll' points up extraordinary examples – “from Tommy Steele to Kanye West” - and how our reaction intensified over the years. Which leads us to … … parallels between stadium rock and the Nuremberg rallies … hearing the Sex Pistols' Belsen Was A Gas and seeing their Nazi insignia at the age of 12 … David Bowie's German memorabilia and belief that “Hitler was the first rock and roll superstar” – and the doctored photo of his “Nazi salute” at Victoria Station … Bernie Rhodes versus Malcolm McLaren on the “reclaiming of the swastika” … the lyrics and imagery of the Siouxsie & the Banshees … Viv Stanshall and Keith Moon's atrocious visit to Golders Green ... the German invention of the tape machine that started the record business … “I'm not the Simon Wiesenthal of rock and roll!” … Joy Division, New Order, K-Pop, Brian Jones and his SS uniform, Ron Asheton of the Stooges, John Lennon, Lemmy, Blue Oyster Cult, “Adolf Hitler on vibes”… “Rock and Roll has a duty to recognise its downfalls”. Order ‘This Ain't Rock ‘N' Roll: Pop Music, the Swastika and the Third Reich' here: https://www.waterstones.com/book/this-aint-rock-n-roll/daniel-rachel/9781399635721Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Dan Jennings' podcast ‘Desperately Seeking Paul' is so successful he's used 250 of the interviews in a best-selling oral history. ‘Dancing Through The Fire' has voices from right across the spectrum – family members, band members, writers, pluggers, label bosses, collaborators and famous fans. He talks to us here about … … Weller's real name and when he changed it by deed poll … a theory about bands formed in towns not cities … the handbrake turn from the Jam to the Style Council – one minute the intense young man cutting out his press clippings, the next espadrilles, singing in French and “nibbling Mick's ear on the River Cam” … Weller's “very English” need to be heard and respected - but not loved … the role of his manager father in the Jam's success, the days when the family phone number was in the Fan Club ads ... how Noel Gallagher engineered a Bono/Weller photo op … Paul's glorious chippiness – Band Aid, the pop press, “offering a journalist out for a fight in Victoria Park” ... John and Paul Weller and echoes of Only Fools And Horses … when the Jam played ice rinks and swimming pools … the cab-driver gossip grapevine … cutting 1.5 million words to 250,000 and the book's biggest revelations and surprises. Order a copy of Dancing Through The Fire here: https://geni.us/dancingthroughthefireHelp us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Marking our dance card at the rock and roll hop this week you'll find … … And Then He Kissed Me, I Saw Her Standing There, Springsteen's All The Way Home: songs about the theatre of dancing … is there a more influential sleeve than Patti Smith's Horses? … did Dylan invent the box-set? … records you wish you liked … when the Beach Boys were so off the boil they covered Dylan and three by the Beatles … when did we stop dancing in couples? … Jagger queueing for a sandwich, Beckham in a farm shop, Lady Di in Holland Park and other stars we've spotted … Brown Sugar, All Right Now and the daft etiquette of the late ‘60s dancefloor … Like A Virgin: 42-year-old hears Stairway To Heaven for the first time! … “Are you dancin'? Are you askin'? I'm askin'! I'm dancin'! … plus George Faith, train songs, records you've not played for years, the anthem Zohran Mamdani was stopped from using, and birthday guest Giles Fraser on stars in unusual places.Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

David Bowie's significance just keeps expanding and the look and sound of him never age. Paul Morley has been gripped from the start and his new book ‘Far Above The World' explores the many reasons why. These among them … … Labyrinth, YouTube and the new ways people discover Bowie … why he's a figurehead of a vanishing world … dressing up for radio interviews … his almost fatal relationship with America and the 1971 promo tour that was his ‘On The Road' … Haddon Hall and his first key collaborators … writing a book about Bowie in public as part of the V&A exhibition – “I was an art installation!” … Five Years, the internet, the studio as an instrument and other ways he was ahead of the curve … “his YouTube reels are now part of his catalogue” … his boundless curiosity about art, film, books and technology … that unforgettable clip of TFI Friday: “every interview was performance art” … a missed chance on the Marc Bolan Show … “music to repel the Dark Ages” … and why his look and sound never age. Order ‘Far Above The World: The Time And Space of David Bowie' here: https://www.resident-music.com/product/morley-paul-far-above-the-world-the-time-and-space-of-david-bowieHelp us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sam Sussman's mother Fran had a year-long love affair with Dylan when he was working on Blood on the Tracks – she's mentioned in Tangled Up In Blue – and they met again in 1990. What she told him about that relationship is mapped out in the book he's just written, Boy From the North Country, along with the firm belief that he's Dylan's son. Imagine how that must feel. This extraordinary conversation takes a number of turns and these are among them … … Norman Raeben's art class where Dylan was trying break his creative block and met the 20-year old Fran Sussman … details of their 12-month affair and how it ended: “he gave me love songs but not love” … the verses of Tangled Up In Blue that relate to Fran and the philosophy, art and poetry woven into his songs at the time … Dylan's other women in 1974 … being told by a teacher that he looked like Dylan and how he's played up that connection ever since … how it feels to think you might have numerous Dylan siblings - and how many there might be(!) … the kind of people Sam meets in his book-signing queues ... and why his mother wouldn't confirm who his father was. Order copies of Boy From The North Country here: https://www.waterstones.com/book/boy-from-the-north-country/sam-sussman/9781804711286Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Tom Bailey's been based in New Zealand for the last 30 years, making records, DJing and avoiding British winters. He tours the UK in 2026 playing the Thompson Twins' greatest hits and looks back here from Auckland at the first shows he ever saw and played, all this high in the mix … ... dance music and the British Invasion of America … the inspiring delights of Some Kind Of Mushroom, his local record shop in Chesterfield … seeing Blodwyn Pig, Edgar Broughton and Principal Edwards Magic Theatre when he was 15 … “bass players go to bed last” … when his folk-rock band the Witching Hour supported Mick Farren & the Deviants - and promptly split up … living in Clapham squats with members of the Pop Group and the Slits … the Thompson Twins - from “the young angry white-boy funk” to the MTV trio with a policy statement .. their manifesto and division of labour – “Tom Bailey music, Alannah Currie lyrics, Joe Leeway the live show” … Live Aid with Madonna when the David Letterman house band became the Thompson Twins … “a miraculous palette of sound”: how affordable technology changed his life … and the extravagant talent of his all-female band. Tickets for Thompson Twins' Tom Bailey & Blancmange 2026 Tour here: https://www.alttickets.com/thompson-twins-tom-bailey-ticketsHelp us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The raw ingredients of this week's news gently diced, simmered and served as a nutritious broth. And flavoured with the following … … why Lily Allen's divorce album doubled the value of her house … how can you play real living people as fundamentally bad after Steve Coogan's ‘Lost King' court case? … the cowbell on Honky Tonk Women, the guiro on Gimme Shelter, the tambourine on classic Motown: Richard Pite gives a percussion demo … Kraftwerk, 10cc, Coolio, George McCrae – more records that sound unique … music used in movies to say ‘we're flying East!' … You Have Selected Regicide, Kill Wealthy Dowager: Morrissey song or line from the Simpsons? … Woodbines, potted herrings, Paris buns: things we expect to find in Van Morrison's soon-to-open childhood home ... why it's worth hearing Mishima by Philip Glass and John the Revelator by Son House … the time Jack Ashford was flown across America just to add a tambourine … people who found they had a famous father … and Mick ‘Two Pairs of Maracas' Jagger and what Eno predicted about I Feel Love.Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Morrissey and Marr both wrote memoirs but Mike Joyce hasn't read either, preferring to publish ‘The Drums', his version of one of the great success stories of the ‘80s, a book about “the beauty we'd given to people – and to ourselves”. At one point he and Andy Rourke shout, ‘Where did it all go right?”. He looks back here at … … the fateful meeting in Geales fish bar when Johnny told them he was leaving – “none of us, not even Morrissey, saw it coming” … the first Smiths rehearsal and impressions of “Steve” the singer … how the songs were written - “we never asked what they meant” … and how they were arranged: “I locked with Johnny like Charlie with Keith, and Andy played a bass song over the top” ... memories of Johnny at X Clothes in Manchester and Morrissey in ‘82 - “funny, dark, so Manc” … the “almost anti-punk” appeal of the Buzzcocks and the urge for a John Maher red Premier drumkit … “Morrissey's articulacy was both his strength and his Achilles heel” … echoes of Motown and James Honeyman-Scott in Marr's guitar … “Singers need to feel they're the most important person in the room” … on-stage gladioli versus “the austerity of the Hacienda” … and Morrissey today - “very angry” - and the legacy of the Smiths. Order copies of ‘The Drums here: https://www.resident-music.com/product/joyce-mike-the-drumsHelp us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Boarding this week's giddy carousel of news, we ride the following ponies … … the Sliding Doors moment that made a ‘50s star a fortune … Soft Cell's Dave Ball and the art of being the Other One in a pop duo … Bohemian Rhapsody, O Superman, I Feel Fine: records that sounded like nothing before them … what links the Prodigy, Wet Leg, Daft Punk and Donna Summer? … how all bands need a bad patch to make you appreciate the good ones … “the concept album is a good servant but a bad master” … Expensive = Reassuringly valuable? Cheap = Worthless? … a new Taylor Swift album in ‘sweat and vanilla-perfumed orange glitter vinyl', anyone? … and the tricks singers use to disguise the fact that they can't hit the top notes anymore. … plus ‘the Siege and Investiture of Baron von Frankenstein's Castle at Weisseria' by Blue Öyster Cult and birthday guest Phil Hopwood on best and worst concept albums.Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Paul Young was the bassist in a pub band playing Led Zeppelin and Patto covers ‘til his solo soul and blues slot launched him as a singer. He's still touring nearly 50 years later, just back from filling Mexican stadiums with Rod Stewart. And next May launching his acoustic ‘Songs & Stories Tour' in theatres, intercut with film clips and hoary old tales from the battlefield. He looks back here at … … Smash Hits cover shoots and Rewind package tours: “what a glorious time the ‘80s was” … the soul phrases he stole from Free and his impression of “the Paul Rodgers moan” … discovering James Taylor, the Doors, Gregg Allman, Vinegar Joe and Van Morrison … supporting Bob Marley when the crowd threw a dead duck at Joe Jackson – “and hit him!” … Mike & Bernie Winters in panto - “I was rolling in the aisles” … playing Led Zeppelin, Cream and Patto and the Bill Withers and Albert King covers that launched him as a singer … memories of Live Aid – “I wish I'd thought about it more” … “What am I, a performing monkey?” … when Midge Ure told him the opening line of Band Aid had actually been a secret audition – “Simon, Tony Hadley or me” … the “deafening” Slade at Luton Tech, the night the DJ played Black JuJu by Alice Cooper … the over-cranked news story that he'd lost his voice … and the night the Mafia came to Rhode Island. Tickets for ‘Paul Young – Songs & Stories' here: https://www.awaywithmedia.com/tours/paul-young-2026Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

‘Billy Bragg: A People's History' is just out, a new and wholly original kind of memoir written by himself, friends, collaborators and fans, and packed with old snapshots, concert bills, reviews and ephemera. It's very good indeed. He looks back here with us at … … meeting Taylor Swift – “and we both knew who the other was!” … a total of 2,700 gigs – “not counting prisons, In-Stores, Port-A-Stacks and picket lines” … old blokes trying to take selfies … finding old diaries in his archives and sensing how the memory plays tricks … songs that get you out of trouble on stage … bootlegging albums on his reel-to-reel, aged 12, complete with noises off - eg “Bridge Over Troubled Water plus a voice telling me Reach For The Sky was on telly!” … a word-perfect recitation of Mr Tambourine Man … listening to the Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll when the rest of the school was Glam Rock … buying Ronnie Lane's amp, “like returning home with a religious relic” … “the power of music”: meeting someone who'd heard him on the radio beyond the Iron Curtain … anxiety about American border control: “I was advised to get a new phone. As if that'll make any difference. I'm Billy Bragg, political songwriter!” … lost off-grid in Salt Lake City in the days before internet … “Music can't change the world but it gives you the ability to think it can be changed” …plus Ian McLagan, Desmond Dekker, Ry Cooder, Jam b-sides and Motown Chartbusters Vol 3. Order Billy Bragg: A People's History here: https://burningshed.com/billy-bragg_a-peoples-history_book https://www.billybragg.co.uk/product/billy-bragg-a-peoples-history-an-oral-history-in-the-words-of-people-who-have-been-moved-by-his-music/Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Graduate, Trainspotting, Jaws, Star Wars, Citizen Kane – films you can't picture without thinking of the music. Mark Kermode has been gripped by the marriage of movie and soundtrack since Dougal and the Blue Cat (aged 6) and, with Jenny Nelson, has just published ‘Surround Sound: the Stories of Movie Music'. We talk to him here about… … Scorsese, Cameron Crowe, Sofia Coppola, Edgar Wright: the new generation “who grew up with a headful of not just music, but records” … how John Williams is “the last Whistle Test composer”: two bars of ET, Jaws or Star Wars and you instantly know the film … how “silent cinema was never silent” and his band the Dodge Brothers playing live soundtracks … Butch Cassidy, Easy Rider, Blackboard Jungle … pioneers of the music video … the genius of American Graffiti: “Lucas wanted it so marinated in music the town would sound like a pickle jar” … how scores are recorded and edited and what happens when a director tells an orchestra he's changed his mind … “by the time each Lord of the Rings soundtrack reached New Zealand, Peter Jackson had re-cut the film” … Forbidden Planet in 1956, the days when electronic scores weren't real music … Martha Reeves, Jonathan Richman and the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion in Edgar Wright's Baby Driver … Tarantino's kitsch use of “his own scratchy vinyl” and why Jonny Greenwood‘s There Will Be Blood is unique and exceptional … plus the “atonal squonking” of the Exorcist and the greatest soundtrack of all time. Order ‘Surround Sound: the Stories of Movie Music' here: https://www.waterstones.com/book/mark-kermodes-surround-sound/mark-kermode/9781447230564Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week's news put through the wringer and hung out to dry. On the line you'll find … … Taylor Swift and Ophelia and other things pop videos turned into tourist attractions … the appeal of D'Angelo's Voodoo: “he made albums with no disdain for the listener” …. David Hepworth and “the single most exciting thing that ever happened to me in my entire life” … bands whose story means more than their music … Nick Drake, Hendrix, Portishead, Nirvana: why three albums is the perfect back catalogue … when Morrissey was just “Steve from Stretford” and Bowie “some bloke in Beckenham” … Elvis Costello, the Nashville Rooms and how Mark escaped being “killed to bits” … is there a better sign of obsession than being able to name all a band's members? … Your challenge: listen to the Dead's Dark Star for the first time. Discuss! … esoteric tracks played by mobile coffee vans … “Gor Blimey, hello Mrs Jones. How's old Bert's lumbago?” … plus JJ Cale, Canned Heat, Cameron Crowe and Fred Neil's The Dolphins.Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Zombies formed before the Stones and had huge hits with She's Not There and Time Of The Season. Their baroque masterpiece Odessey and Oracle now gets ranked beside Revolver and Pet Sounds. Colin Blunstone has a solo tour in 2026 and looks back here in his wood-panelled den at the first shows he played, the people he met and being No 1 in America aged 19. This too … … when your career starts at 16 “and you think it's over at 21” … seeing the Beatles at Luton Odeon and the Stones at Studio 51 Leicester Square “sitting on stools playing acoustic R&B” … winning the talent contest that got them a record deal and a worldwide hit with “the third song Rod ever wrote” … playing Murray the K's Christmas Show when No 1 in America with “all our heroes” - the Shirelles, Patti LaBelle and Ben E King … his father's warning when he wanted to go to Art School … the misspelling of Odessey And Oracle and its rushed recording at Abbey Road – “in mono when everyone wanted stereo!” … “only Kenny Everett and Penny Valentine liked it”: the album's afterlife, “now ranked alongside Revolver and Pet Sounds” … how he still hits “my suicidal top notes” and the old trick of pointing the mic at the audience if you don't want to sing them … life in an insurance office when the Zombies split and “the three writers had made all the money” … and Al Kooper, Denny Laine, Russ Ballard, Rod Argent and the time Mike Hurst inexplicably relaunched him as ‘Neil MacArthur'. Order tickets for the Believe In Miracles Tour here: https://www.colinblunstone.net/Find out more about how to help us to keep the conversation going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This lavish, beautifully designed collection of late ‘60s news stories, reviews and press clippings sheds new light on the band's roots and ascent from the days when the Kidderminster Shuttle would spell their name wrong and print their parents' address. Richard Morton Jack, author and compiler of ‘Led Zeppelin: The Only Way To Fly', looks back here at …. … the fact that there was already a group called ‘Lead Zeppelin' in 1967 … the way Page has fudged early details of his and the band's career … why 1968 was Last Chance Saloon for Plant, Jones and Bonham … the second British Invasion and why America was so ready for them … “the Hindenburg was only 30 years earlier. Imagine using the Challenger Space Shuttle disaster on a cover now!” … their claim that critics always hated them in the face of massive evidence to the contrary … Plant's publicity stunts before he joined the band – Harold Macmillan, Legalise Pot, the Noise Abatement Society … … the ‘60s Birmingham scene v the London scene… their eternal grievance about the press sparked by the “Ground Zero” moment of Rolling Stone's 1968 review … the venues they played - the Toby Jug in Tolworth, Pirate World, an aqua theater, an ice rink in Vegas … and the bands they shared bills with - Frosty Moses, Kimla Taz, the Ladybirds. Order a copy of Led Zeppelin: The Only Way To Fly here: https://lansdownebooks.com/Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Shifting the pass-the-parcel of news and removing the wrapping when the music stops. Which this week happens here … … will rock bands get offered the Saudi money? … “there could be no British nightclubs in 2030” … Diane Keaton and why all men were besotted … the day Led Zeppelin played an Aqua Theatre for an audience swimming and in boats … “the optimum number of band members is either three or loads” … did Easy Rider invent the music video? … Trainspotting, Reservoir Dogs, Midnight Cowboy, Almost Famous – soundtrack moments that made their movies … 12 million more UK tickets were sold than in 2019 yet 150 small venues closed in two years: “scale is now part of the appeal” … the genius of John Sebastian … the end of MTV UK and how video changed the landscape … “Here's to you Mrs Roosevelt”: how Simon & Garfunkel got into the Graduate … can anyone fathom Ghost Town Blues by Prefab Sprout? Plus Tim Hardin, Harry Nilsson and birthday guest Matthew Elliott on why three is the magic number.Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The look, sound, story and dynamic of the Beatles can't be imagined without him. Nor can their success. Tom Doyle, author and drummer, examines the unexplored depths of the one at the back from 70 different angles, one per chapter, in his new memoir ‘Ringo: A Fab Life' and talks to us here about …. … how he learnt to read by looking at his Dad's Beatles singles and the one that first made him notice the drumming ... what you learn re-watching him in Peter Jackson's Get Back … why Ringo gave them universal appeal and his key role in their conquest of America … supernatural brilliance: exceptional moments such as the un-slowed original Rain and “the way he makes the sound of the holes in Blackburn, Lancashire” … the delicious Britishness of comparing Rishikesh to Butlins and the mantra the Maharishi gave him he still uses every day … the pre-Beatles time he applied to emigrate to Texas and what stopped him doing it … the only Beatle who could dance: the proof! … the Lost Years and the day he had his head and eyebrows shaved … the mortifying fate of the first recording of the four Beatles together (in 1960) … how all four spent the rest of their lives in recovery … what Sam Mendes might accentuate in his upcoming portrait of Ringo ... and the clip that'll be all over the news on the day he bows out. Plus our campaign to buy the Sentimental Journey pub starts here! Order Tom Doyle's ‘Ringo: A Fab Life' here: https://www.simonandschuster.co.uk/books/Ringo/Tom-Doyle/9781917923132Help us to keep The Longest Conversation In Rock going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Steering the supercar of enquiry round the rock and roll racetrack with the occasional stop for a tyre change. Foot-to-floor moments this week include… … why are the British so hung up about posh pop stars? … the 10-second moment of his stage routine that Springsteen must find addictive … the flaming bra, the flying dress, the human horse: Lady Gaga's most OTT entrances .. would YOU want Madonna as a sister-in-law? … Fleetwood Mac, the Grateful Dead, the Bee Gees: bands the NME said were finished in 1975 … John Paul Jones in Marks and Sparks … musicians' houses we'd most like to live in (actually one's a lifeboat) … the goth/fantasy allure of Steve Nicks on TikTok … and the still-haunting times we died onstage “like a louse in a Russian's beard”. Plus Noel Coward, Julie Andrews, Jem Finer, birthday guest Phil Turner and Tony Bennett's favourite meal.Help us to keep the conversation going: https://www.patreon.com/wordinyourear Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.