Podcast appearances and mentions of eric seufert

Christian Limon is the former Chief Growth Officer at Wish, which was the top spending advertiser on Google and Facebook. He was also the Chief Growth Officer at Tubi and Gemini. Throughout his career, Christian has achieved five exits and $28 billion in IPO and M&A proceeds. He has launched 20 apps and led 33 more apps on growth and monetization. Eric Seufert is the General Partner at Heracles Capital, a pre-seed venture capital fund focused on the mobile technology ecosystem. After beginning his career at Skype, he held a marketing leadership role at Rovio, where he launched Angry Birds 2. Eric also founded Agamemnon, a mobile marketing analytics startup acquired in 2017. He is the author of Freemium Economics and manages Mobile Dev Memo, a blog on mobile advertising and monetization. In this episode… Today's marketers face a challenging paradox: the more data they have, the harder it is to identify what's valuable. Between conflicting attribution reports, algorithm-driven campaign shifts, and pressure to scale fast, many teams optimize for metrics that don't move the needle. How can growth leaders cut through the noise to build scalable and realistic strategies? Seasoned mobile growth strategist Christian Limon emphasizes the need for broad, strategic creative testing that breaks out of traditional methods like UGC. He recommends marketers tap into unconventional sources and avoid over-controlling creative input. Leading economic and digital marketing strategist Eric Seufert urges brands to prioritize commercial outcomes like profit and ROAS rather than exclusive platform metrics. Marketers can also use AI to enhance workflows and generate ideas for optimizing LTV.  Join William Harris in today's episode of the Up Arrow Podcast as he chats with Christian Limon, growth strategist, and Eric Seufert, General Partner at Heracles Capital, about optimizing growth marketing. Together, they discuss how to identify meaningful marketing metrics, how to build systematic, creative-first campaigns, and the dangers of over-diversifying channels.

ADSN is the ESPN for the ads/marketing industry. This week, hosts James Borow and Daniel welcome guest commentators Eric Seufert and Taylor Holiday to talk about current market volatility, tariffs, and the impact on ad platforms and DTC brands.ADSN is made possible by: dash.fi - https://dash.fiMeasured - https://measured.com/Follow ADSN: Keep up with ADSN:https://TheADSN.comhttps://x.com/The_ADSNhttps://youtube.com/@theadsn

My guest this week is Eric Seufert. In the words of Ben Thompson from Stratecherry, Eric is arguably the best writer and commentator on digital advertising, and today, he gives us a masterclass on the subject. We start by talking about Apple's ATT framework, Meta's recovery, and what the current ecosystem looks like. We also talk about X, advertising on the open web, and clearing many common misconceptions about targetted advertising. Please enjoy this conversation with Eric Seufert. For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page HERE. ----- Making Markets is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Making Markets, visit joincolossus.com/episodes. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @makingmkts | @ericgoldenx Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes (00:00:00) Welcome to Making Markets (00:00:32) Historical Paradigms in Digital Advertising (00:01:01) Impact of Apple's ATT Policy (00:02:01) The Hub and Spoke Model (00:04:35) Post-ATT Advertising Landscape (00:07:35) Apple's Competitive Strategy (00:12:48) Meta's Adaptation and Recovery (00:19:17) Rise of Retail Media Networks (00:23:56) Twitter's Advertising Challenges (00:26:47) Customer Base and Engagement Models (00:27:44) Meta's Resilience to Advertiser Boycotts (00:28:18) Understanding Cookies and Their Role in Advertising (00:31:23) Apple's Impact on Third-Party Cookies (00:33:44) Google's Approach to Cookie Deprecation (00:38:06) The Future of Digital Advertising (00:49:28) The Role of AI in Ad Creative Production Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Co-hosts Joe Zappa and Eric Franchi chat with Eric Seufert about how he's used thought leadership, especially via his blog Mobile Dev Memo, to launch successful tech, media, and investing businesses and become one of the best-known voices in mobile.

MDM Canon is a new podcast series from Mobile Dev Memo in which co-hosts Eric Seufert and Stewart Johnson select an article from the Mobile Dev Memo archive and discuss it at length. This episode focuses on an article titled What is performance marketing?⁠, first published in October 2018. The episode attempts to clarify what I see as a broad misunderstanding of the general marketing taxonomy with a functional definition of performance marketing. Thanks to the sponsors of this week's episode of the Mobile Dev Memo podcast: ⁠⁠⁠Clarisights⁠⁠⁠. Go to⁠⁠⁠ clarisights.com/demo⁠⁠⁠ to try it out for free. You'll see why thousands of performance marketers trust Clarisights every day.⁠⁠ INCRMNTAL⁠⁠. True attribution measures incrementality, always on. Interested in sponsoring the Mobile Dev Memo podcast? Contact ⁠Marketecture⁠. The Mobile Dev Memo podcast is available on: Apple Podcasts Spotify Google Podcasts

Eric Seufert is an analyst and expert in mobile development, tech marketing, and data analysis. Eric is General Partner at Heracles Capital, a pre-seed stage venture capital fund investing in the future of mobile tech. Eric has also worked at notable consumer  mobile tech companies including Skype, Wooga, and Rovio Entertainment, where he was the VP of User Acquisition for the developer behind the popular Angry Birds franchise.   In this episode, Matt and Eric dig into  Eric's career in mobile tech startups, including the benefits of a ‘freemium' model, strategies for launching mobile apps successfully, and where the future of mobile tech investments is headed.   Key Takeaways: Core product experience should be complete and universal, even at the freemium price point. In order for this to occur, founders should leverage techniques that engage both new and existing users to monetize effectively User acquisition is not just about growth… It is an opportunity for discrete product testing to improve and iterate based on real user data The mobile tech industry's shift towards web-based storefronts driven by privacy regulations has opened  new opportunities for mobile tech experimentation and personalization When constructing your team, select candidates highly skilled in monetization and user experience based on prior startup successes Chapters (0:02)  Eric Seufert's journey in mobile tech and venture capital (3:25)   Freemium economics and strategies for startup growth and retention (5:56)  The economics and ethics of free-to-play gaming (8:14)  The evolution and dominance of freemium models in mobile apps (12:42)  Generative AI Enables Total Personalization in User Experience (13:15)  Maximizing value and engagement in freemium business models (17:57)  The pitfalls of viral app launches and sustainable growth (22:28) The slow, iterative process of launching a consumer app (27:25)  The Growth Trap: balancing organic and paid user acquisition (32:10) Optimizing product success through flexible data analytics (38:11)  Balancing needs of new and old users in product growth (42:49) Key criteria for investing in mobile startups (48:28) The future of mobile engagement and web-based monetization (52:10 ) Conclusion and closing remarks Link to Transcript 

The marketing landscape is ever changing. Digital advertising costs are rising and there are more restrictions to access customer data. How can businesses navigate these realities and reach their business goals? Eric Seufert, founder and partner at Heracles Capital, and Andrius Baranauskas, director of product at Shopify, uncover some of the answers.For more on Eric, Andrius, and show notes click here. 

MDM Canon is a new podcast series from Mobile Dev Memo in which co-hosts Eric Seufert and Stewart Johnson select an article from the Mobile Dev Memo archive and discuss it at length. This episode focuses on an article titled The perilous mythology of Brand Marketing for digital products⁠, first published in November 2021. The episode proposes a taxonomy of performance marketing tactics, distinguishing between Direct Response, Delayed Response, and Brand marketing. It also outlines a framework for how all three can fit together into a unified strategy. Thanks to the sponsor of this week's episode of the Mobile Dev Memo podcast: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠INCRMNTAL⁠⁠⁠. True attribution measures incrementality, always on. Interested in sponsoring the Mobile Dev Memo podcast? Contact ⁠Marketecture⁠.

This episode is brought to you by Market. Use AI to chat directly with your marketing and sales channels to get the answers you need to grow your business. Sign-up for Market at https://www.withmarket.ai/.  ——— Eric rejoins the podcast to discus the state of the digital economy. He covers why walled gardens are winning, the existential threats to open web, EU's battle against big tech, TikTok banning in the US, and much more. Eric is a media strategist, quantitative marketer, and author who has spent his career working for transformative consumer technology and media companies. Eric  runs Mobile Dev Memo, a mobile advertising and freemium monetization trade blog, and QuantMar, a knowledge-sharing platform for quantitative marketers. Eric has been featured and quoted in The Information, Business Insider, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, and more.   Subscriber to MDM Pro: https://mobiledevmemo.com/subscribe/  ——— Connect with James and Daniel! LinkedIn: James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesborow/  Daniel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danieldruger/  Twitter:  James: https://twitter.com/jamesborow  Daniel: https://twitter.com/ddruger If you like Taking Inventory, do us a favor and give us a 5-star rating and review. It's the best way to help support us. And subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.takinginventorypod.com/ and follow Taking Inventory on LinkedIn and Twitter!

In this new podcast series from Mobile Dev Memo, called the MDM Canon, co-hosts Eric Seufert and Stewart Johnson select an article from the Mobile Dev Memo archive and discuss it at length. This episode focuses on an article titled Why Analytics Teams Fail, first published in June 2016. Specifically, the episode highlights three common issues encountered by analytics teams that can cause them to be ineffective: 1) lack of agency and authority; 2) lack of investment into infrastructure; 3) improper placement in the organization. Thanks to the sponsors of this week's episode of the Mobile Dev Memo podcast: ⁠⁠Clarisights⁠⁠. Go to⁠⁠ clarisights.com/demo⁠⁠ to try it out for free. You'll see why thousands of performance marketers trust Clarisights every day. ⁠⁠⁠⁠INCRMNTAL⁠⁠. True attribution measures incrementality, always on. Interested in sponsoring the Mobile Dev Memo podcast? Contact Marketecture.

Apple's walled garden crumbles! Apple has announced changes to its App Store and iOS ecosystem in compliance with the European Union's new Digital Markets Act which now allows users to download apps on rival app stores and pay outside their system. This could have been huge for users, developers, and the future of tech but developers didn't seem to think so. Why were developers up in arms? Will the curated App Store experience disappear? Will other regulators follow the EU's lead? Host Dia Rekhi talks to Tom Smith, a specialist in competition law and digital regulation, and Eric Seufert, an independent analyst and investor at Heracles Capital. Tune in to the latest episode of The Morning Brief podcast! If you like this episode from Dia Rekhi, check out her other interesting episodes on BabyBus: Is the TikTok for Toddlers gobbling your personal data?, ET Investigates: Escalating Child Sexual Content Accessibility in India, Brand SRK: The Baazigar of Bollywood, Business of Sleaze: The Dark Side of Live Streaming? And more! Connect with our host Dia Rekhi on her social media: Twitter & Linkedin Catch the latest episode of ‘The Morning Brief' on ET Play, The Economic Times Online, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, JioSaavn, Amazon Music and Google Podcasts.  Credits: Theo Rants, TechLinked, LMG Clips, Cult of Mac, Bloomberg Television, BenzingaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Eric Seufert is a one-of-a-kind marketing expert. He has headed marketing at Rovio, Wooga, and N3TWORK. He has built Mobile Dev Memo into the leading site for marketing professionals. He became a venture capitalist after founding Heracles Capital. In this podcast, Eric Seufert returns back to the podcast to discuss predictions for mobile marketing. A must-listen for all of us! sign-up to our PGC event: https://event.appsflyer.com/appsflyerandheroiclabs --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/deconstructoroffun/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/deconstructoroffun/support

Eric is a media strategist, quantitative marketer, and author who has spent his career working for transformative consumer technology and media companies. Eric founded Agamemnon, a start-up that built a mobile marketing analytics platform, which was acquired in 2017. Following the acquisition Eric launched Heracles Capital, an early-stage venture capital fund focused on the mobile ecosystem. Eric also runs Mobile Dev Memo, a mobile advertising and freemium monetization trade blog, and QuantMar, a knowledge-sharing platform for quantitative marketers. Eric has been featured and quoted in The Information, Business Insider, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, and more.   Twitter: https://twitter.com/eric_seufert MobileDevMemo: https://mobiledevmemo.com/   Links: The profound, unintended consequence of ATT: content fortresses Eric's Book Freemium Economics: https://www.amazon.com/Freemium-Economics-Leveraging-Analytics-Segmentation/dp/0124166903 Theseus Growth, open-source cohort analysis and general marketing performance analysis: https://github.com/ESeufert/theseus_growth

Welcome to INCRMNTAL's Podrick the Podcast, the podcast that brings you insightful conversations with thought leaders and experts from the marketing technology world. Our latest series is called Orchestrating Measurement - an audio continuation of the white paper we've recently published. (find it here: https://lp.incrmntal.com/whitepaper-marketing-measurement-orchestration)Our guest today is Eric Seufert, the founder of Mobile Dev Memo, Heracles Capital, and probably one of most well known analysts (if not THE most known) in the world of mobile marketing. Eric has been very vocal about the changes in our landscape, and especially about the topic of measurement.

A conversation with Eric Seufert. In this episode, I'm joined by Eric Seufert to talk about his thesis-slash-catch phrase “everything is an ad network.” Eric is a successful entrepreneur, investor and media founder who is focused on the intersection of mobile apps and Adtech. Eric worked a number of Adtech roles in Europe which led him to founding and exiting analytics platform for mobile developers Agamemnon. He is now investing in companies in the Adtech space with Heracles Capital and runs the deeply respected and always interesting Mobile Dev Memo. In this episode, we talk about Adtech branching out into all kinds of new commerce, retail, and platform media channels, Europe's role in the development of mobile apps and gaming, what will happen to the web if Eric's catchphrase “everything is an ad network” becomes a reality, privacy and the threat of walled gardens, whether or not programmatic has a future, media power laws, the 1% of ad networks and many other topics… Go here for ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠show notes, links, and resources.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Juan Mendoza on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Listen on⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Apple⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Google⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠everywhere else.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ You can find Eric on LinkedIn.

Guess who's back? Back again! AdTechGod, with a friend!In this weeks Podcast AdTechGod sits down with Eric Seufert from MobileDevMemo. Thank you to Adelaide Metrics for advertising on this podcast. Visit adtechgod.com for educational resources, ATG slack community, jobs and more.

Dataseat is a mobile DSP for app user acquisition that relies strictly on contextual data. It was founded on the assumption that persistent identifiers will eventually disappear from the in-app advertising environment. For more information about our expert, Eric Seufert: https://www.marketecture.tv/authors/eric-seufertThe full version of this episode is available at https://www.marketecture.tv/programs/dataseat-david-philippson .Visit Marketecture.tv to join our community and get access to full-length in-depth interviews. Marketecture is a new way to get smart about technology. Our team of real industry practitioners helps you understand the complex world of technology and make better vendor decisions through in-depth interviews with CEOs and product leaders at dozens of platforms. We are launching with extensive coverage of the marketing and advertising verticals with plans to expand into many other technology sectors.Copyright (C) 2022 Marketecture Media, Inc.

This week's guest: Eric Seufert Eric is a media strategist, quantitative marketer, and author who has spent his career working for transformative consumer technology and media companies. Eric founded Agamemnon, a start-up that built a mobile marketing analytics platform, which was acquired in 2017. Following the acquisition Eric launched Heracles Capital, an early-stage venture capital fund focused on the mobile ecosystem. Eric also runs Mobile Dev Memo, a mobile advertising and freemium monetization trade blog, and QuantMar, a knowledge-sharing platform for quantitative marketers. Eric has been featured and quoted in The Information, Business Insider, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, and more.   Twitter: https://twitter.com/eric_seufert MobileDevMemo: https://mobiledevmemo.com/   Links: The profound, unintended consequence of ATT: content fortresses Eric's Book Freemium Economics: https://www.amazon.com/Freemium-Economics-Leveraging-Analytics-Segmentation/dp/0124166903 Theseus Growth, open-source cohort analysis and general marketing performance analysis: https://github.com/ESeufert/theseus_growth

This is Matt Reustle and today we are breaking down the mobile gaming industry. It was several months ago that I was reading an industry report for our Business Breakdown on Electronic Arts. I was shocked to see that mobile gaming was now 50% of the overall gaming market. What really stood out to me was just how different the business model is. You have smaller game developers operating with a completely different monetization model. It's the same industry but with drastically different strategies. To break down the industry, I'm joined by Eric Seufert. Eric spent his early career in the heart of mobile gaming, notably as a Vice President at Rovio, which developed Angry Birds. Today, Eric is the creator of Mobile Dev Memo, a publication focused on mobile monetization. For this conversation, Eric details the history and inflection points for mobile gaming, what the market structure looks like today, and how regulation and privacy have impacted the business model and strategies.  For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page here.  ----- This episode is brought to you by Tegus. Tegus is the modern research platform for leading investors, and provider of Canalyst. Tired of calculating fully-diluted shares outstanding? Access every publicly-reported datapoint and industry-specific KPI through their database of over 4,000 driveable global models handbuilt by a team of sector-focused analysts, 35+ industry comp sheets, and Excel add-ins that let you use their industry-leading data in your own spreadsheets. Tegus' models automatically update each quarter, including hard to calculate KPIs like stock-based compensation and organic growth rates, empowering investors to bypass the friction of sourcing, building and updating models. Make efficiency your competitive advantage and take back your time today. As a listener, you can trial Canalyst by Tegus for free by visiting tegus.co/patrick. ----- Business Breakdowns is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Business Breakdowns, visit joincolossus.com/episodes. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @JoinColossus | @patrick_oshag | @jspujji | @zbfuss | @ReustleMatt | @domcooke Show Notes (00:02:24) - (First question) The year mobile gaming took off and the leaders in game development at that time (00:04:34) - The evolution of mobile game publishers since 2012   (00:08:50) - Mobile gaming business models; why “freemium” has thrived   (00:14:04) - The 95% rule for freemium; revenue per user is not as important when working truly within a freemium model    (00:21:18) - The ratio of average user retention vs great user retention; and measuring retention using DX values  (00:24:19) - Comparing game revenue before and after the decline curve of user base at the 30 day mark (00:29:23) - How much in-game advertising revenue makes up in the total revenue for a game (00:34:22) - The current business model for mobile gaming; 25 good games vs 1 viral hit game (00:37:32) - Balancing in-game advertising between outside revenue and a developer's gaming portfolio; determining high-potential players based on their immediate in-game behavior  (00:43:17) - Eco-system development or consolidation; The enduring theme that Eric expects to stick around for the next 3-5 years (00:47:18) - The overall health of the mobile gaming market; how the Digital Markets Act in Europe may lead to the fracturing of app stores and the benefits to the industry of that Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ericsson ad tech subsidiary Emodo offers an SSP and DSP specializing in in-app, native and video. Emodo's ad formats include an adaptive native unit that adds rich media-like effects to basic creative assets such as static images, static logos, headlines, body texts, and CTAs.For more information about our expert, Eric Seufert: https://www.marketecture.tv/authors/eric-seufertThe full version of this episode is available at https://www.marketecture.tv/programs/emodo-alistair-goodman .Visit Marketecture.tv to join our community and get access to full-length in-depth interviews. Marketecture is a new way to get smart about technology. Our team of real industry practitioners helps you understand the complex world of technology and make better vendor decisions through in-depth interviews with CEOs and product leaders at dozens of platforms. We are launching with extensive coverage of the marketing and advertising verticals with plans to expand into many other technology sectors.Copyright (C) 2022 Marketecture Media, Inc.

No one who knows more about mobile marketing, the effect of ATT, and the future of hyper-casual gaming than Marketecture contributor Eric Seufert. In our latest episode of the podcast Eric joins with Ari Paparo, and Eric Franchi to talk about all of this.In this episode:AdExchanger on gaming spend decliningSVB collapse and ad techUber offers self-serve for car-top adsNetflix building an ad server?Visit Marketecture.tv to join our community and get access to full-length in-depth interviews. Marketecture is a new way to get smart about technology. Our team of real industry practitioners helps you understand the complex world of technology and make better vendor decisions through in-depth interviews with CEOs and product leaders at dozens of platforms. We are launching with extensive coverage of the marketing and advertising verticals with plans to expand into many other technology sectors.Copyright (C) 2023 Marketecture Media, Inc.

Welcome back to our podcast where we explore some wild possibilities of the advertising multiverse. In this week's episode our guest Eric Seufert, joins us to explore an alternative reality where Apple goes back on their privacy policy regarding IDFA. In this parallel universe, what would the advertising industry look like? How would it impact consumers' privacy and digital experience? We also explore some alternate realities where Google reduces their App Store “fees” to 5% ? and Apple bans 3rd party SDKs? Hope you enjoy!

On the podcast I talk with Sylvain about the top subscription app insights you should be thinking about, how important cohorting is when looking at growth metrics, and why good advice can turn bad if you apply it at the wrong stage.Top Takeaways

This week, Eric Kress updates us on the latest on Microsoft's acquisition and Playtika's bear hug of Rovio as well as a summary of earnings. Eric Seufert talks (rants?) about Alex Shea's PCG talk on Hypercasual's demise. Phillip discusses Knockout City's sunsetting and joins Laura in covering Supercell's beta game, Squad Busters. Türkiye was hit with magnitude 7.7 and 7.6 earthquakes. Our thoughts and prayers are with those who have been affected. Join us in helping by following this LINK. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

TWIG has a special guest: Phillip Black! Phillip joins the usual mötley crew of Eric Kress, Eric Seufert, and Laura Taranto, to cover: Marvel Snap's performance, roughly 3 months post-launch; Ubisoft CEO's email to employees; Voodoo's $3m privacy slip-up; Apex Legend's Matchmaking as well as a few other smaller updates. REMINDER: The Deconstructor of Fun x Google Istanbul conference is coming up on March 8-10th, 2023, mark your calendars! Signups liver January 25th! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

Yieldmo is an ad exchange that uses attention data and machine learning to procure inventory for advertisers while optimizing yield for publishers.For more information about our expert, Eric Seufert: https://www.marketecture.tv/authors/eric-seufertThe full version of this episode is available at https://www.marketecture.tv/programs/yieldmo-mike-yavonditte .Visit Marketecture.tv to join our community and get access to full-length in-depth interviews. Marketecture is a new way to get smart about technology. Our team of real industry practitioners helps you understand the complex world of technology and make better vendor decisions through in-depth interviews with CEOs and product leaders at dozens of platforms. We are launching with extensive coverage of the marketing and advertising verticals with plans to expand into many other technology sectors.Copyright (C) 2022 Marketecture Media, Inc.

Eric Seufert, Kress and Laura cover 2 major headlines this week: an update to Loot Box legislation down under and looking back at the effects of ATT on mobile gaming from Mobile Dev Memo. Smaller updates include the ATVI & MSFT deal, Boom Beach Frontlines' sunset, a PocketGamer sponsored piece wanting to coin a new genre, Wildlife Studios layoffs and Supercell's first hire in Austin. Until next week. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

Laura, Seufert, and Kress discuss TikTok's standalone gaming channel and evaluate whether the Xbox pass is profitable. The team also discusses Modern Warfare II topping $800M in sales, Rovio's new Barcelona studio, and Netflix's acquisition of SpryFox. TWIG wouldn't be what it is without a public apology. In this episode, Eric Seufert walks back his statements on Marvel Snap after being bombarded by product managers and designers around the world. Kress hit a D 365 of not drinking. Send him a congrats message on LinkedIn or via Slack, if you've gained access to the community... --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

Well, that went smoothly. One week into Elon's takeover and Twitter's advertisers are already flying the coop. In this special episode, Marketecture experts Ari Paparo and Eric Seufert talk with Zach Rodgers about recent developments, Elon's tweets and what could happen next. Visit Marketecture.tv to join our community and get access to full-length in-depth interviews. Marketecture is a new way to get smart about technology. Our team of real industry practitioners helps you understand the complex world of technology and make better vendor decisions through in-depth interviews with CEOs and product leaders at dozens of platforms. We are launching with extensive coverage of the marketing and advertising verticals with plans to expand into many other technology sectors.Copyright (C) 2022 Marketecture Media, Inc.

ironSource LevelPlay supports drag-and-drop integration of a multitude of ad network SDKs, and includes a dashboard that allows A/B testing, management of direct-sold inventory, and reporting features. For more information about our expert, Eric Seufert: https://www.marketecture.tv/authors/eric-seufertThe full version of this episode is available at https://www.marketecture.tv/programs/ironsource-nimrod-zuta .Visit Marketecture.tv to join our community and get access to full-length in-depth interviews. Marketecture is a new way to get smart about technology. Our team of real industry practitioners helps you understand the complex world of technology and make better vendor decisions through in-depth interviews with CEOs and product leaders at dozens of platforms. We are launching with extensive coverage of the marketing and advertising verticals with plans to expand into many other technology sectors.Copyright (C) 2022 Marketecture Media, Inc.

This week, the team talks about Microsoft Xbox' plan on having their store on mobile, Snapchat's parent company's uphill battle after IDFA depreciation and the upcoming launch of Age of Empires Mobile. Your hosts Eric Kress, Laura Taranto and Eric Seufert also discuss the launch of Marvel Snap by Second Dinner and dive into the implications of Apple's SKAdNetwork 4.0. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

The Two Erics and Laura discuss the end of cloud gaming with the shutdown of Stadia and an update on CD Projekts' PR shenanigans. Eric Seufert discusses the new world order of user acquisition in mobile. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

In this week's episode, Xander and Warren really dive into the nitty-gritty of current events. First, we discuss AppLovin's new Vessel app – a marketplace where mobile game developers can integrate NFTs into games to drive engagement and revenue. This sits at the intersection of three huge areas of focus for us: Web3, mobile games, and performance marketing. It's exciting news – and also interesting in the fact that AppLovin has managed to work within Apple's strict policies to bring an NFT marketplace into the App Store. Next we discuss Google's announcement that Stadia will be shutting down in January. The cloud-gaming service has struggled to gain traction, but the company believes the technology will be useful in other areas of its business – such as with industry partners, YouTube, Google Play, etc. Google will be refunding all Stadia hardware, games, and add-ons purchased through Stadia's store. In another gaming goodbye, Playtika is shuttering Best Fiends maker Seriously – supposedly over discord and clashes between the studio and its parent company on aggressive monetization, budgeting, and other issues. Leaks regarding the fallout seem to heavily favor Seriously, which likely indicates they came from sources within the studio. An article from Mobilegamer.biz promises that a new studio will "rise from the ashes" in coming months. Shifting to incoming games, we highlight the release of Overwatch 2 and it's interesting pivot into a completely live-services model. The game is also doing away with loot boxes in favor of a new in-game shop that uses in-game currency. It's been a long time coming, but that's not surprising given everything Blizzard has been through in the last few years. Finally, we end on the news that App Store net revenue declined 5% year-over-year for the month of September – a record low for the store. The news was highlighted by Stephanie Link and retweeted by Eric Seufert, who noted that "ATT wreaked havoc on the mobile gaming market, which comprises the vast majority of App Store revenues. The growth of Apple's ad platform, substantial as it has been, was not sufficient to offset that loss within the broader Services category." SOURCES & MORE: https://upptic.com/applovin-nfts-gaming-goodbyes-overwatch-2-app-store-declines-app-talk-with-upptic/ REGISTER FOR OUR WEB3 GAMES GROWTH WEBINAR: https://us06web.zoom.us/webinar/register/1416618928232/WN_nq5y952aSiO0BMmTeKK9dQ

A packed house for this week's TWiG as we delve into some juicy topics. Quick updates on Netflix Games latest hires (of course), Cyberpunk 2077, Apple's platform ruling on NFTs, the GTA VI hacker and more. For our headline topics, we discuss The Battle for Twitch's Soul following their announcement of deprecating the 70/30 revenue split for top streamers. We also go deep on ex-Machine Zone CEO Gabe Leydon's newest company, Web3 outfit Limit Break games, and how they're making waves with their "free-to-own" business model for NFT games. This week's episode is hosted by Eric Kress, Eric Seufert, Laura Taranto and Ethan Levy. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

Smadex offers a programmatic bidding platform focused on mobile user acquisition at scale. CEO Jordi de los Pinos talks about the company's efforts around transparency, which he describes as its differentiator relative to competitors.  For more information about our expert, For more information about our expert, Eric Seufert: https://www.marketecture.tv/authors/eric-seufert The full version of this episode is available at https://www.marketecture.tv/programs/smadex-jordi-de-lospinos . Visit https://www.Marketecture.tv (Marketecture.tv) to join our community and get access to full-length in-depth interviews. Marketecture is a new way to get smart about technology. Our team of real industry practitioners helps you understand the complex world of technology and make better vendor decisions through in-depth interviews with CEOs and product leaders at dozens of platforms. We are launching with extensive coverage of the marketing and advertising verticals with plans to expand into many other technology sectors. Copyright (C) 2022 Marketecture Media, Inc.

Eric Kress, Laura Taranto, and Eric Seufert discuss Apple's growing ambitions with its advertising business, the latest wave of layoffs that hit companies like Snap and Bytedance as well as Tencent's investment into Ubisoft's parent company. Most importantly, in this episode you'll hear about Seufert's latest Uber debacle, an update on Kress' son's thriving basketball career, and find out which continent Laura is recording the podcast this week. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

Seufert is back from Europe and has a couple of words regarding last week's analysis of the Hypercasual games' economy following Google's ad changes. We'll deep dive into AppLovin's gangster move. JamCity's massive layoffs and Roblox's bookings miss. The gang also discusses why Blizzard and NetEase scrapped Warcraft Mobile and PlayStation Mobile's hiring spree. hosts: Eric Seufert, Ethan Levy, Adam Telfer --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

The crew returns back to Unity's merger with ironSource as Eric Seufert offers his view of the deal. There's a conversation about the latest government ruling not to regulate loot boxes. Talk about Tesla's new gaming initiative. InnoGame's approach to publishing salary bands and Netflix's latest batch of gaming veteran hires. We also talk about E3's return to in-person events and what we can expect from it. Hosts: Eric Kress, Eric Seufert, Laura Taranto --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

Today's episode is a re-release from our older podcast - How Things Grow.Our guest is Eric Seufert. Eric is the Founder of Heracles Media and Mobile Dev Memo, the author of the book Freemium Economics, and one of the foremost experts on mobile user acquisition today. Eric has worked on an incredibly wide variety of apps in very different capacities and he's seen it all from the early days where you could buy bot installs to hit the top 10 ranks on iTunes, to today's increasingly sophisticated world of automation and post-identifier growth. While this particular interview is from a couple of years ago, and some of the specifics have changed in the light of ATT and post-privacy platform changes, a lot of the history and insight that Eric provides in this interview is very instructive - for in the past lie the seeds of the future, and reviewing this history of where we've come from helps us contextualize and prepare for a post-identifier future.By the way, Eric is also a guest mentor for our workshop series Mobile Growth Lab - and everyone that registers by the 25th of July 2022 will receive his 2 hour workshop ATT survival guide. If you'd like to sign up, go to MobileGrowthLab.com.KEY HIGHLIGHTS

Kochava CEO Charles Manning describes the omni-channel and fraud prevention enhancements to the company's core attribution product. For more information about our expert, Eric Seufert: https://www.marketecture.tv/authors/eric-seufert The full version of this episode is available at https://www.marketecture.tv/programs/kochava-charles-manning . Visit https://www.Marketecture.tv (Marketecture.tv) to join our community and get access to full-length in-depth interviews. Marketecture is a new way to get smart about technology. Our team of real industry practitioners helps you understand the complex world of technology and make better vendor decisions through in-depth interviews with CEOs and product leaders at dozens of platforms. We are launching with extensive coverage of the marketing and advertising verticals with plans to expand into many other technology sectors. Copyright (C) 2022 Marketecture Media, Inc.

In der Rubrik Investments & Exits begrüßen wir heute Tina Dreimann, Co-Founder von Better Ventures. Tina hat die Finanzierungsrunde von Personio, Epoch Biodesign und Lumi Interactive kommentiert: Das australische Startup Lumi Interactive hat 6,75 Millionen US-Dollar für die Entwicklung seines kommenden kostenloses Handyspiels "Kinder World" erhalten, bei dem sich die Spielerinnen und Spieler um virtuelle Zimmerpflanzen kümmern können, indem sie reale Achtsamkeitsaufgaben erfüllen. Die Runde wurde von Andreessen Horowitz (a16z) angeführt, mit Beteiligung von 1UP Ventures, Galileo Ventures, Eric Seufert's Heracles Capital und Double Loop Games CEO Emily Greer. Die überzeichnete Seed-Runde ist die größte Risikokapitalinvestition in ein von Frauen gegründetes Spielestudio in Australien. Epoch Biodesign, ein in London, UK, ansässiges "Total BioDesignTM"-Unternehmen, hat eine Startfinanzierung in Höhe von 11 Millionen Dollar erhalten. Die Runde wurde von Lowercarbon Capital geleitet, mit Beteiligung von BoxGroup, Amadeus Capital Partners, MCJ Collective, Zero Carbon Capital, VOYAGERS Climate-Tech Fund, The Venture Collective und anderen. Das von Jacob Nathan (CEO) geleitete Unternehmen entwickelt natürliche Lösungen für unnatürliche Probleme und hat sich zum Ziel gesetzt, die Biologie für einen gesunden Planeten zu skalieren und zu industrialisieren. Mit einer Kombination aus firmeneigenen Berechnungs- und Versuchswerkzeugen treibt Epoch das Biorecycling voran: ein abstimmbarer enzymatischer Prozess zur Umwandlung von Kunststoffabfällen in herkömmliche Chemikalien. Personio gab gestern die Aufstockung der Series-E-Finanzierungsrunde von 200 auf 470 Millionen US-Dollar bekannt. Die zuletzt im Oktober 2021 ermittelte Unternehmensbewertung steigt damit im selben Zug von 6,3 Milliarden US-Dollar auf 8,5 Milliarden US-Dollar. Die erneute Finanzierungsrunde wurde von dem Bestandsinvestor Greenoaks angeführt. In unserer Mittagssendung begrüßen wir heute Christian Eggert, Head of Product von Personio und sprechen natürlich über die Runde sowie über die kürzliche Übernahme von Back!

Adam does a light dive on Diabo Immortal after playing it intensively since launch. Eric Kress breaks down the decline of the mobile games market by looking at the performance of top genres and titles. Eric Seufert analyzes Apple's update to SKAd Network. The crew also talks E3, Pokemon Go passing $6 billion in lifetime revenue, and Summer Game Fest with Geoff Keighlye. Links: Questions and Feedback Sponsors: Google, ironSource, Xsolla, Recur Hosts: Eric Kress, Adam Telfer, Eric Seufert and Laura Taranto --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

Moloco CEO Ikkjin Ahn provides a breakdown of the mobile DSP's feature set and product roadmap. For more information about our expert, Eric Seufert: https://marketecture.uscreen.io/authors/eric-seufert The full version of this episode is available at https://marketecture.tv/programs/moloco-ikkjinahn-anuragagrawal . Visit https://www.Marketecture.tv (Marketecture.tv) to join our community and get access to full-length in-depth interviews. Marketecture is a new way to get smart about technology. Our team of real industry practitioners helps you understand the complex world of technology and make better vendor decisions through in-depth interviews with CEOs and product leaders at dozens of platforms. We are launching with extensive coverage of the marketing and advertising verticals with plans to expand into many other technology sectors. Copyright (C) 2022 Marketecture Media, Inc.

AdMix CEO Samuel Huber describes the company's platform for injecting brand placements into mobile games. For more information about our expert, Eric Seufert: https://marketecture.uscreen.io/authors/eric-seufert The full version of this episode is available at https://marketecture.tv/programs/admix-sam-huber . Visit https://www.Marketecture.tv (Marketecture.tv) to join our community and get access to full-length in-depth interviews. Marketecture is a new way to get smart about technology. Our team of real industry practitioners helps you understand the complex world of technology and make better vendor decisions through in-depth interviews with CEOs and product leaders at dozens of platforms. We are launching with extensive coverage of the marketing and advertising verticals with plans to expand into many other technology sectors. Copyright (C) 2022 Marketecture Media, Inc.

Singular CEO Gadi Eliashiv discusses his company's measurement and analytics products. For more information about our expert, Eric Seufert: https://www.marketecture.tv/authors/eric-seufert The full version of this episode is available at https://www.marketecture.tv/programs/singular-gadi-eliashiv . Visit https://www.Marketecture.tv (Marketecture.tv) to join our community and get access to full-length in-depth interviews. Marketecture is a new way to get smart about technology. Our team of real industry practitioners helps you understand the complex world of technology and make better vendor decisions through in-depth interviews with CEOs and product leaders at dozens of platforms. We are launching with extensive coverage of the marketing and advertising verticals with plans to expand into many other technology sectors. Copyright (C) 2022 Marketecture Media, Inc.

Odeeo VP Product Liat Barer describes her company's audio ad formats for casual gaming environments. For more information about our expert, Eric Seufert: https://www.marketecture.tv/authors/eric-seufert The full version of this episode is available at https://www.marketecture.tv/programs/odeeo-liat-barer . Visit https://www.Marketecture.tv (Marketecture.tv) to join our community and get access to full-length in-depth interviews. Marketecture is a new way to get smart about technology. Our team of real industry practitioners helps you understand the complex world of technology and make better vendor decisions through in-depth interviews with CEOs and product leaders at dozens of platforms. We are launching with extensive coverage of the marketing and advertising verticals with plans to expand into many other technology sectors. Copyright (C) 2022 Marketecture Media, Inc.

Incrmntal CEO Maor Sadra discusses the company's SaaS measurement platform, which doesn't require customers to turn off their ad buys for periods of time in the way that incrementality testing typically does. For more information about our expert, Eric Seufert: https://marketecture.uscreen.io/authors/eric-seufert The full version of this episode is available at https://marketecture.tv/programs/incrmntal-maor-sadra . Visit https://www.Marketecture.tv (Marketecture.tv) to join our community and get access to full-length in-depth interviews. Marketecture is a new way to get smart about technology. Our team of real industry practitioners helps you understand the complex world of technology and make better vendor decisions through in-depth interviews with CEOs and product leaders at dozens of platforms. We are launching with extensive coverage of the marketing and advertising verticals with plans to expand into many other technology sectors. Copyright (C) 2022 Marketecture Media, Inc.

Digital Turbine's in-app ad platform is aided by partnerships with telcos and OEMs that embed its tech on Android phones. For more information about our expert, Eric Seufert: https://marketecture.uscreen.io/authors/eric-seufert The full version of this episode is available at https://marketecture.tv/programs/digitalturbine-matt-tubergen . Visit https://www.Marketecture.tv (Marketecture.tv) to join our community and get access to full-length in-depth interviews. Marketecture is a new way to get smart about technology. Our team of real industry practitioners helps you understand the complex world of technology and make better vendor decisions through in-depth interviews with CEOs and product leaders at dozens of platforms. We are launching with extensive coverage of the marketing and advertising verticals with plans to expand into many other technology sectors. Copyright (C) 2022 Marketecture Media, Inc.

Eric Kress dismantles the rumors of EA being for sale. Eric Seufert analyzes Snap's multiple lowered guidances. Laura Taranto looks into TikTok's push into gaming. Team also discusses recent two big mobile launches: APEX Legends from EA and Dislyte from Lilith. And what would be a TWIG episode without hearing the latest of Kress' son's basketball life... Links: Questions and Feedback Sponsors: Google, ironSource, Appsflyer, Xsolla, Recur --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

Do you want to learn more about scaling customer acquisition for an online product? The lessons here will apply whether you are shipping a game, a metaverse experience or any type of mobile application. Eric Seufert worked at legendary game publishers like Rovio, Wooga, and Digital Chocolate--where he literally wrote the book on Freemium Economics for games. Eric's concern for several years has been scaling games by optimizing unit economics and accessing scalable user acquisition channels. In this conversation, Jon and Eric talk about how the market for mobile user acquisition has changed; how the market for advertising networks has evolved; and even how the strategy for game marketing has shifted from the "Harry Crane" measurement paradigm to the "Don Draper" paradigm which is all about audience resonance. We cover the differences (or lack thereof) in performance vs. brand marketing; how new privacy rules such as ATT (App Tracking Transparency) have impacted the user acquisition markets; and how to staff a user acquisition team at your publisher. If you're looking for an overview of how to gain access to the mass market of consumers on mobile--both the history, present and possible future--this is the conversation you'll want to hear!

Google and Apple have been slow to relinquish the hefty commissions they charge on app payments. Developers have been pushing for alternatives to the payment systems run by those tech giants, hoping they could save some money. In South Korea, Google is now required to let app makers use alternative payment systems, but the tech company will still take almost the same commission. For instance, in cases in which Google takes 30% of revenue, it will charge developers that use other systems 26%. Here in the U.S., Spotify recently reached an agreement with Google to charge subscribers through a non-Google system a smaller fee than usual, but there’s no word yet on how much smaller. So will these changes actually spur competition, as intended? Meghan McCarty Carino of “Marketplace Tech” put that question to Eric Seufert, an independent analyst with the website Mobile Dev Memo. He said such small tweaks might not be worth very much.

Google and Apple have been slow to relinquish the hefty commissions they charge on app payments. Developers have been pushing for alternatives to the payment systems run by those tech giants, hoping they could save some money. In South Korea, Google is now required to let app makers use alternative payment systems, but the tech company will still take almost the same commission. For instance, in cases in which Google takes 30% of revenue, it will charge developers that use other systems 26%. Here in the U.S., Spotify recently reached an agreement with Google to charge subscribers through a non-Google system a smaller fee than usual, but there’s no word yet on how much smaller. So will these changes actually spur competition, as intended? Meghan McCarty Carino of “Marketplace Tech” put that question to Eric Seufert, an independent analyst with the website Mobile Dev Memo. He said such small tweaks might not be worth very much.

Eric Seufert (Mobile Dev Memo, Investor, Strategist) and Chris Uglietta (data.ai) discuss growth and opportunities in the Web3 space.Please visit the Game Changers page or our YouTube Channel to watch and subscribe to video content:https://www.data.ai/resources/gamechangershttps://www.youtube.com/channel/GameChangersSeries

On today's podcast we're hosting the Subscription Trends 2022 event. We talk with Thomas and Eric about navigating content fortresses as a developer. They share their thoughts on regulating Apple's App Store, affiliate marketing, and breakout trends for 2022. We also talk about Web3 and Crypto, and answer questions from folks in the event's chat room.Our guests on the show are Thomas Petit and Eric Seufert. Eric has a depth and breadth of experience with mobile apps and games that few can match. Over the past year, Eric has written extensively about App Tracking Transparency and the future of mobile advertising on his trade blog, Mobile Dev Memo.Thomas Petit is a world-renowned mobile growth expert independent consultant. Thomas began his work in the subscription app space, eventually becoming a freelance consultant, and has worked with several large subscription apps.In this episode, you'll learn: How to make a living as a solo app developer Are web apps the future of app development? Are you price-testing your app too soon? How to reduce churn for trial and paid users New regulatory burdens app developers are facing Links & Resources The Sub Club Podcast: Growth, Revenue, and Marketing Strategies for Your App — Lisa Kennelly, Fishbrain The Sub Club Podcast website Thomas Petit's Links Follow Thomas on Twitter Thomas' guest post on the RevenueCat blog: Mobile Subscription Predictions for 2022 Eric Seufert's Links Follow Eric on Twitter Eric Seufert's post: 2022 predictions for mobile marketing Mobile Dev Memo Follow us on Twitter: David Barnard Jacob Eiting RevenueCat Sub Club

On the podcast I talk with Eric about the value destruction of App Tracking Transparency, the limitations of SKAdNetwork, and how to thrive as an app developer in this new paradigm.My guest today is Eric Seufert. Eric has deep operating experience, having worked in growth and strategy roles at consumer tech companies such as Wooga and Rovio, but he also founded and sold a marketing business intelligence company, Agamemnon, and is an active investor in the mobile gaming and ad tech categories. Eric has a depth and breadth of experience with mobile apps and games that few can match. Over the past year Eric has written extensively about App Tracking Transparency and the future of mobile advertising on his trade blog, Mobile Dev Memo.In this episode, you'll learn: Will Apple's ATT be a net loss for Apple? Can SKAdNetwork be saved, and does Apple want to save it? Is focusing on organic traffic a flawed strategy? What does the future of app install ads look like? Links & Resources Rovio Snapchat Apple's Private Relay Tim Cook Outbrain Taboola AllTrails SubClub AllTrails podcast episode Stitcher Eric Seufert's Links Follow Eric on Twitter Mobile Dev Memo Heracles Freemium Economics: Leveraging Analytics and User Segmentation to Drive Revenue  Eric is on LinkedIn Follow us on Twitter: David Barnard Jacob Eiting RevenueCat Sub Club Episode Transcript00:00:00 David:Hello. I'm your host, David Bernard, and for the first time ever, I'm flying solo today. RevenueCat CEO, Jacob Eiting is busy CEO'ing.My guest today, is Eric Seufert. Having worked in growth and strategy roles at consumer tech companies such as Wooga and Rovio, Eric has a depth and breadth of experience with mobile apps and games that few can match. He also founded and sold marketing business intelligence company Agamemnon, and is an active investor in the mobile gaming and ad tech categories.Over the past year, Eric has written extensively about App Tracking Transparency and the future of mobile advertising on his trade blog, Mobile Dev Memo.On the podcast, I talk with Eric about the value destruction of App Tracking Transparency, the limitations of SKAdNetwork, and how to thrive as an app developer in this new paradigm.Hey Eric, thanks for being on the podcast.00:01:09 Eric:Thank you for having me on the podcast.00:01:11 David:So, we're going to start off with a bit of a dead horse that's been beaten over and over again. Apple's motivation in enacting App Tracking Transparency, but I did want to take kind of a different perspective on it. The most interesting thing to me personally about Apple's motivation with App Tracking Transparency is what it says about what they are going to do in the future.Did they build SKAdNetwork purposely handicapped, or did they not really understand how handicapped it was? Were they really trying to kill Facebook, or was that a kind of a side benefit? I think that their motivations are important, because it forecasts what changes they may or not make moving forward as they start to see the impact.So, I think the first thing I wanted to ask you is, how do you see Apple's reaction and how they perceive ATT to be going, now that we're seeing snap drop 25% after the quarterly earnings report, and see more of the disruption that you and others were predicting, but maybe Apple didn't quite see coming? How do you think Apple sees this going currently? And what does that say about the future of privacy on iOS?00:02:42 Eric:I think Apple's primary motivation was not to capture mobile advertising market share. I don't think that was a primary motivation. I think that's happened, and I think they expected that to happen, but I don't think that was the primary driver of this decision.What I think they wanted to do was, there's kind of like a big picture idea here, and then an immediate consequence idea. I think what Apple did not like, was that they had kind of lost control over content discovery on the iPhone.When the App Store was first launched, that was how you discovered apps. It was through going to the App Store, and some small part search, but then in large part just like the editorial curation that Apple exposes there. That changed over the years, and up until the announcement, or the enactment of of ATT, the way that people discovered apps was through advertising, and primarily Facebook advertising.Apple totally lost control. The content that people interacted with on their phones was not the result of any deliberate decision on Apple's part or some deliberate consideration. It just happened to be whatever could scale ads the best. Whatever companies could scale their ads the most efficiently, that's what people interacted with. That's what became dominant on the platform, and Apple really had no say in that.Short term, narrow aperture view of this, they just wanted to regain control of that. They wanted to be the kingmakers. They wanted to be the tastemakers; the people that decided—the party that decided—what became popular on the iPhone and how the iPhone was used.And I mean, that's, it's, if you've worked in, in gaming, especially, but if you've worked in mobile apps at all and you've ever had to go and, you know, go, go through the whole process of pitching your app to Apple, and pleading for featuring You know, that that's what they want.They, they like to having that control because that allowed them to percolate their new iOS features into the app community through almost horsetrading it's like, you want featuring, We'd be happy to give you featuring, but you've got to integrate X, Y, Z thing into your app.Once you do that, we're happy to feature you. that, that was sort of the, that was the, the, the negotiating process. You know, that that process, even that process itself became less important and less prominent in the life of a developer over the last few years, In 2012 to 2015 that's what you did every time you were launching a new app, or even if you're doing a major update, you flew, you flew to San Francisco, you went to Cupertino, you went into a, conference room at Apple HQ and you pitch somebody.That just stopped being something that people did. Like just people realized that, even if we get featuring, it's not going to be that meaningful for our business, what we really need to be able to nail what we, what we have to do. Our success is dependent on our ability to scale the product with paid advertising, you know, and explicitly, you know, specifically through, through Facebook.So, I think that was the primary motivation to regain that control right now. I think there's a bigger picture idea here. There's a bigger picture motivation or, or like, projection here, which is that, you know, we're, we're moving into a paradigm where, you know, the phone you have, the, the device you have that you consume content with is totally unconstrained, in terms of what it accesses, right?Like, and, and how it accesses content. And that's what that's, that's the sort of, that's the behavioral, norm that, that people are moving into, they just expect their favorite stuff to be available from whatever device they have in their hand, at that moment, as long as it's connected to the internet, they expect to be able to connect to Disney to Hulu, to Netflix, to Facebook, to anything, they use every day.You get to a point where, you know, if you run this gatekeeping platform, like at the App Store or Google play If, if, if users have leapfrogged that paradigm into no, my favorite content is always available. It's, you know, sort of like, it's just, just persistent in the cloud and I should be able to access it however I want at any, at any given point in time.Then you've lost control of that sort of, of that gatekeeper positioning. I feel like what Apple wanted to do they, they, know that that's inevitable. we'll get there, but they wanted to prolong this dominance and the prominence of the App Store in terms of, you know, the consumer relationship, that's the first stop you've got to go through them to get to the content. because then that also, like that also provides them with some leverage over the, over the developer. And I think w w we've I think we've probably accelerated. But, but maybe not, maybe this, maybe this, you know, buys two to three more years of, okay, well, I have an iPhone that means I go through the App Store to get content, right.Or I have an Android. Maybe that means I go through Google play to get to content. And not that like, this is it. Matter what device I'm using, I'm using my Samsung TV or my iPhone and my iPad or my Facebook portal or whatever, or my, my, Amazon, echo. I want to get to the content that I have available to me in a persistent way in the cloud.Right. And so I think that was, that was also the primary motivation, or that was part of the primary motivation, but that was like, sort of like the bigger picture consequence of it.00:08:18 David:Right. I mean, where do you put, Apple's kind of stated motivation of privacy in this hierarchy of, of motivations and, and outcomes because, you know, a lot of people have said, oh, well, Apple was clearly acting anti competitively to favor their own ad business and crush these other ad businesses. It was, you know, primarily driven by the greed to expand their ad revenue.And then I think yours is really interesting as far as like the control, but then of course Apple goes and just in the quarter results recently and has stated over and over again. That it was 100% privacy motivated. do you just not buy that00:08:58 Eric:No, not at all. And I don't, I don't necessarily even think at this moment that consumer privacy, has been benefited or protected as a result of this. Right. And we can get into that in a second, but you know, I've been publishing a lot about, they're still allowing fingerprint and they said they wouldn't, that's in the policy.Right. It's explicit. Like there's no ambiguity there and they're allowing for it. Right. And they're not policing. And they could, because they've done it in the past. And so I think if you want it to be protective of privacy, That would be one of the things that you would prioritize is, preventing that from happening.00:09:33 David:And you don't think that? Not that I mean, diving into fingerprinting real quick, do you think that. It's potentially that they're just delaying the enforcement to kind of smooth some of the disruption that tra App Tracking Transparency has already caused it because them not enforcing it immediately doesn't mean they're not going to enforce it.So, but I find it baffling as well. That they're not. So do you see them enforcing it sooner do you think that this really is an indication that they don't actually care about privacy and that this is not ever going to be enforced?00:10:08 Eric:They can enforce it at some point and like they're there, there wise, like I think kind of a widespread. That in the developer community, that there was going to be a grace period. Right. They would introduce NTT, but they're going to allow for fingerprinting for some amount of time, because, you know, if, if you just, you know, made this very radical change and it was like absolute from day one, the impact would have been even more severe than, than what we saw.So I, there was a belief that there would be a grace period, but you know, we're going on like four months now. Right. And, and the thing is, you know, my, my sense was when, as soon as they, because they, you know, they talked about private relay at WWDC this year, I was like, oh, okay. That's how they do it.Right. Because, and I've talked a bunch about how it would be clunky to police fingerprinting through App Store review the store review process. Right. I talked about that in a piece. I just wrote two weeks ago or last week, and it would be clunky, but they could have introduced us in private relay.I thought that that's what they were going to do. Or at the very least they would roll private relay out. Cause it applies to, you know, safari traffic now. And they would say, look, well, we have to reach parody. Our treatment of the web and or treatment had been app traffic. And so therefore, you know, maybe for whatever technical reason we can't, we can't, obfuscate the IP address of in app traffic, it'd be too expensive or it's a technical challenge that we haven't solved yet.But like, this is the moment, you know, ad tech when you must stop fingerprinting. And I think if they said that, you know, these ad tech companies would, right, because the way that they've sort of implemented this in a lot of these solutions is it's like an option, right? Like they say, you can turn it off if you want.Right. Cause I think that these ad tech companies are surprised. They thought fingerprinting was going to be. More we're policed early on, maybe not on day one, but you'd get like two weeks a month. and so they kind of introduced this as like an optional feature. Right. And then, you know, and they, they presented it as like a, Hey, it's a feature for developers if they want it.And so, you know, it's, it's something that they could switch off and they, they they're ready to switch off. I think. So I think even if, if Apple just sort of like, you know, kind of pantomime those motions, people would stop doing it because, okay. It's, it's actually, you know, it's sort of like actually against policy now versus just before where it was like ignored, but, you know, I, I thought they were gonna introduce in iOS 15 for that reason, or at least again, like, just make the, go through the motions of saying that, that it's, it's not allowed, but, but so just, just back Betsy, it wasn't about like, where does privacy sit in the, in the sort of list of motivations?I think it's probably so my, my, the heart, the hard time that I have with like, reconciling this idea that like, and you hear this a lot, like Apple cares about policy that people say that privacy, Apple cares about product. How could it have Apples on a person Apple. Apple's a corporate structure.There's there's however many employees at Apple. They don't all agree on things. Right. Who and Tim cook is not a dictator. He can't just run the company like that. Apple shareholders, have some control. His board has some control. Right. And so, you know, at least they have influence. And so like, the Apple as a, it can't have is it doesn't have a monolithic opinion about stuff.It's not an entity in its own. Right. I I just don't buy this idea that a company can care about some abstract concept. Right? Like, here's another question for you. Apple makes the Apple watch, It's a health tracker. Does Apple care about your health Do they, are they really concerned? Are they genuinely, you know, invested in your health Or do they want to sell something. so the idea with privacy is okay. It gives us an opportunity to strike a juxtaposition juxtaposition against Android, which you know, has, is, is perceived, I believe, as less privacy-safe but even Android has gone to great lengths or Google has gone to great lengths to bring privacy to the forefront in Android.A lot of it is about informing consumers about their data being accessed, but still there. They've done some things. Right. So anyway, I just, I don't believe that a company, a corporate entity can care about an abstract concept. Right. putting that aside, what does privacy buy them It buys them that juxtaposition, and then it buys them cover, It buys them cover to do all this other stuff. Right. And then to, and then they spin up this big narrative that probably helps us sell iPhones. Because you know what I00:14:07 David:Or future AR glasses 00:14:10 Eric:Exactly 00:14:10 David:Some ways,Positioning themselves, they they care about privacy insofar as it's an incredible marketing tool for them. it, gives them cover for future devices. They become more and more and more and more private. this thing you wear on your wrist biometric sensors and tracking your sleep and everything else, customers are going to feel more comfortable wearing AR glasses that have cameras on.When it's Apple branded, than when it's Facebook branded, there's been backlash with the Ray-Ban, glasses from Facebook. So, yeah, I get, you I, you know, the Apple fanboy in me wants to believe that, you know, Apple you know, wants to do good in the world, but I've, since lost my Apple religion, but I, but I do think to a certain extent that they care about they do care about privacy whether or not any of that's motivated by Goodwill or otherwise it's incredible marketing for them.That being the case, you know, and this is where maybe our opinions diverge, or at least how we interpret some of, of what's been going on. I still am of the opinion, as naive as it may be that that privacy was a primary motivation for them, whether they're altruistic or marketing or, whatever other reasons they have to be to be positioning themselves this way.I still think that that that was primary and, and that, I don't know that they even fully understood or expected some of the. the things that have been happening, I think they thought SKAdNetwork was a better solution than it actually is. I don't know that they expected to see a company like snap that is actually fairly aligned with them, at least, in marketing and public perception as being a more privacy-focused company to see this company that has been reading and talking positively about App Tracking Transparency and see them drop 25% in a single day, because, and then say specifically it's because SKAdNetwork isn't delivering.I still think personally. This has more to do with Apple, not understanding and not listening to the industry, which we've seen for decades, Apple doesn't listen, they're not good at receiving outside feedback on roadmaps, on, on their APIs, on anything else. They think they know what to do.And they think as a product company, they can just build this product bring it to the world. And it's going to be the best thing since sliced bread SKAdNetwork is just another. Yeah. Another example of them trying that approach and then just falling flat on their face. I think this is important because if that is the case and if they really, if the primary motivation really was privacy, then maybe we do see an SKAdNetwork 3.0, that's way better than this current one.After they realized they've destroyed tens of billions of dollars of value, and also potentially handicapped their own platform because as ad efficiency goes down and as apps struggle to gain traction, they lose too. So, yeah, I mean, I guess just, I'd love to hear your kind of response to that. Cause I know we probably disagree on this a bit.00:17:37 Eric:I guess it doesn't really matter. Like it, you know, if we, I don't know, at this point it kind of seems like semantics a little bit. Cause it's like, well, all they care about privacy because privacy is good marketing messages. But my point is like, I don't think they genuinely care whether people's data is being accessed by advertising networks.Right. I don't think they cared about that to the, to the degree that, it didn't impact. It was, it was, it was happening sort of unawares, right? Like, or, you know, that these users were like sort of unawares, once it became, like a, like a sort of social rallying cry around, you know, Facebook and, you know, it's the congressional testimony and you're listening on our devices.And then once it became something that I think that they could, you know, exploit the insured, then maybe they care about it because it is a differentiator for the products and they can help them sell more products. Right. But, but I think so, first of all, so we are on a scanner 3.0, they released 3.0 3.0 is just like a minor improvement.So 3.0 added view through attribution. And I think it added one more thing. And then also with, I was 15, they allowed the post-bacc to be sent directly to the advertiser, not just the networks. I mean, those are improvements, but I don't see them continuing to do. S K I know work. I just, I just don't see that, but I think I do. I do agree. I agree with you that, that they didn't understand how consequential that this would be to the advertising. I think it's an example of like the left hand, not talking to the right hand.Apple is like a super secretive organization, not just to the outside world, right. Internally Apple teams are very secretive. Right. And, you know, I, I don't know that the App Store team was talking to the iTunes team. I, I mean, I don't even really know how that, how, how this sort of corporate structure separates those two teams.But my sense is that like the App Store team, the people that work with developers, Aware of this, like, and I I've been told that I've been told that they learned about it at WWDC two years ago. Right. And then they got up, they had to field a bunch of angry emails and phone calls. Right. you know, I think, there, there wasn't a whole lot of consensus internally around what the impact of this would be.I think the impact was underestimated. And to be honest, I don't think they would have released something if they knew that it was going to wipe out, you know, just a late, a quarter of snaps market cap in a day. Right. I don't think they would have released something if they knew it was going to annihilate a fifth of Zynga's market cap in a day last quarter, you know what I mean?I don't think they, you know, and what we saw with Facebook was that there's like this kind of slow erosion of, of, of market cap, you know, from, from like the all time high, a couple months ago. but you know, th the damage hasn't been just, just in terms of stock price, hasn't been as, as, as severe to Facebook, as it has to some of these other.You know, who weren't really doing the things that Apple wanted, you know, to sort of, to mitigate. Right. So I, I don't think that they fully, you know, first of all, they didn't, you know, workshop this with advertisers. Like I know that to be true, or, or I believe that to be true, unless some people did it in like, you know, deep secret and they've never revealed it, but I don't think they, I don't think that's true because I've talked to a lot of people.No one, no one was consulted about this that I've spoken with. you know, I don't think that they really truly grasped how sort of like fundamental performance advertising was, or is to a lot of these businesses, right. In terms of, they're just, they're, they're sort of, you know, operational success.Right. And so I think, because of that sort of differential between. I think what they thought was going to be the result of this and what the actual result was. You know, I, I feel like that does call into question, you know, not only just the wisdom of this, but you know, how well they can defend it, right.When, you know, against maybe some, some, some lines of inquiry, you know, that, that are, that are sort of like, you know, kind of a more powerful and, sort of socially instrumental than, than ours than mine are then, then app advertisers or app developers. Right.I think they've, they've invited a lot of questions about this through, through, through the severity of the impact that we've witnessed over the last couple of weeks and months.00:21:35 David:And that's where I totally agree with that. And that's been my perception as well. And I talk to folks as well, is that Apple didn't fully understand the implications. And if there were people inside Apple who had a better understanding of what might play out, they didn't have enough of a seat at the table.And that a lot of this was just ivory tower thinking was Apple building ski network thinking, oh, this is going to be a great solution with. Like you said, workshopping it with the people who would actually have to use it. And then, you know, coming up with a better solution. So then, then my question for you is, okay.You know, you were kind of chicken little for a year, the sky is gonna fall. The sky is gonna fall. The sky is gonna fall. I mean, you've been really one of the most vocal people about how big these impacts were going to be. And you had a lot of people in the industry saying, oh, it's not going to be that bad.It's not going to be that bad. Well, now the sky fell. I mean, you know, a public company having 25% of its market value wiped out in a day due to one specific policy from a platform like the sky is falling, you were right. But then so now Apple sees it. They can't, they can't avoid seeing it. What do they do from here?You said, they're not going to make SKAdNetwork better. You know, are they going to not police, fingerprinting to, continue to soften the blow? Like where does it go? That's that's, what's so interesting to me about okay, whatever their motivation, what they do in the future. In reaction to what's actually happening now that we're seeing actual results matters, you know, to, to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars.And, and one of the things I put in the notes to talk about is a lot of this value that's being destroyed is not accruing to Apple. It's not as if you know, a hundred billion dollars of market cap wiped out of Facebook and Google and snap and other folks, it's not like Apple is actually capturing that because they don't, they don't have the ad inventory.They don't they're, they're not a big player in the space. So, yeah. W where does Apple go from here if they painted themselves in a corner,00:23:38 Eric:Maybe, I mean, I think what I would, you know, if I was an Apple, I'd be worried about, you know, they've got a lot of theirs are, they're already under a lot of scrutiny, right. Like, you know,00:23:47 David:Right.00:23:48 Eric:What did the DOJ, what just three days ago, decided to re reopen the investigation in that, in the Apple, related to, to the way they operate the App Store.I just think it's really tough to, to maintain this line on one front while, you know, you're obviously having to lose ground on, on another front. Right. because as we've seen, like there's just been this steady trickle of them, you know, seeding ground developers or, giving up a lot of, you know, Exclusivity and, and, you know, PR preferential treatment they have with, with apps or operation, right.Like, it just feels like maybe it's maybe it's they felt like, well, that will, it we'll expand one area of that, that preferential treatment while we're sort of like forced to abandon other, areas of preferential treatment. But I don't know that they were, I don't, but that would only make sense if they actually really understood how dramatic the consequences of, of ADT would be, which I don't think they did.You know, I don't know. Maybe they have painted themselves into a corner. I mean, I don't know. So that's the thing about asking, I know work is like the way it was designed. It's got a lot of features that on their own would be smart, you know, tech, progressive privacy, protective, you know, mechanisms.Right. But in combination just renders this thing, like totally. Dysfunctional. And that's the problem because now if they go back and they get rid of any of these given features, so like, or not features, but restrictions, right. So let's say they say, okay, so first of all, I mean, and I'm assuming most people listening are at least familiar with this.I don't want to, I won't, I won't go into the whole thing, you know, description of Muscat network from zero, but let's say they give up on the privacy threshold, which would be weird because there's a privacy threshold for Apple search ads to be fair, but let's say they gave that up. Right. then, then, okay.You move a little bit towards, you know, something that, that is functional and helpful. but you're, you've, you've, you've made a pretty, sort of like very kind of public facing kind of Mia culpa decision, which I don't, you know, or announcement. Right.Which I don't know, that is an Apple's DNA to do that kind of thing.00:25:49 David:And giving up the privacy threshold would actually allow tracking, which is what they're saying, they're trying to prevent. So that's the other problem with giving much ground on some of these things with SKAdNetwork.00:26:01 Eric:Well, it could, it00:26:03 David:And that that's kind of the broader question is like, can S K I network even be saved and, you know, let's say regulators did come in and say, this was completely anti-competitive what's the solution.I mean, if you roll back and give unique identifiers to every app, you're going to have all the same unintended consequences that came with the IDFA. yeah, I mean, that's like four questions rolled into a statement, but, can I ask that network actually be saved while maintaining some level of privacy?00:26:32 Eric:Maybe, but I don't know that you do give up. So I don't, I don't think you totally Naval tracking. If you'd give up the privacy threshold, what you'd enable would be the advertiser would be able to link the specific campaign to an individual user in their data environment. Now, if they chose to share that with a third party, Platform or as platform, I guess that that would be their decision, I don't think by default it would sort of instantly, you know, make that trackable. Right. Cause all you're really doing is adding a little bit more context every post-bacc versus just some, because you already get, I mean, if you get rid of the privacy rest, it, that just means those NOLs go away.Right. And so you're able to get a little, you're able to track, you're able to sort of observe the less frequent, transactions. Right. Or just tell me what it is. If you tell me what it is that I can design around that. Right. But we don't even know if it's dynamic they've, they've apparently changed it like without telling anybody.And so all of a sudden the number of Knoll conversion values exploded. Right? I mean, that's the thing, just make it public because if you do that, then I'm going to say, you know what? Okay, I'm going to design my app, such that like. The people I care about are going to trigger this or not. Right. It's not something that's in its early funnel.It's something that it'll happen. You know, I can build my, I can, I can sort of like Intuit, you know, just through like kind of statistical modeling, what, where I need to place this in order for it to trigger the number of people that satisfies the privacy threshold, such that I get the data that I really need to make decisions.Cause right now you have no idea. And you know, I have no idea where to place that. What, what is that? Unless you just experiment a bunch of times, but, but even then it's, it's the, the broader environments to variable because the, the campaign could go up and down in terms of like DAU or DNA every day, you know what I mean?And then if they change it, then there's like a totally unknown exhaustion is variable there. Right? So it's impossible to tune your app such that you, you say, okay, look, I get it. You're not going to let me have. conversion value if fewer than 25 people did it. Well, I know how much traffic I'm driving through all these campaigns every day.So, so I need to consolidate my campaign, such that each one drives 400 in new, new installs every day, because I know that, you know, an eighth of the installs will trigger that thing, but those will be the users that really care about. Right. And if you did that, then at least I know, and I can design everything around that, but I don't even know.I don't even know if that changes over time relative to the number of installs I'm driving. I don't know if you're changing it on the back end without telling me like, it's just, you can't operate in with that kind of opacity. It's just, it's just not functional. And then you've got the a hundred campaign ID limit, you know, you've got no creative, parameters in the post-bacc like, you just can't do anything with this.00:29:04 David:Yeah. I mean, that's where it does seem like this was designed as an academic exercise. How do we prevent any. Identification of any individual ever from being even remotely possible. And, and it was an academic exercise that they played out. Whereas if they had workshops with the people who actually have to use it and had, thought through the kind of business use cases and you made a valid point earlier, you don't automatically, enable tracking by, reducing the privacy threshold.But I think, you know, Apple She kind of rethink some of the priorities around this so that you get better business metrics, even if one or two people can slip through the cracks of being able to be uniquely identified. And I think the argument there is like, it doesn't matter at scale, like if one person slips through the cracks, Facebook is not going to build technology around finding that person here and there that slips through the cracks because it doesn't matter to their business to find one or two.It matters too to have more data on everyone. So the campaign ID limit the creative ID, like all of these seem very ivory tower thinking that just is not going to play out in the real world. So, a few minutes ago you were saying you don't think Apple will improve SKAdNetwork, but now we're talking about how they could.Where does the rubber meet the road what's going to happen?00:30:31 Eric:I mean, I don't. Cause I mean, the thing is like, you know, we're just kind of riffing right now. Right? I think like if we sat, we sat down with the chocolate or the whiteboard or something, you know, because we, I wrote an article a couple months back, right. It was, it was like right after this was announced and I kind of like, here's some suggestions here's, here's what you can do to make STI work.More helpful and you know, some really smart people in the Mobile Dev Memo, slack pointed out holes in my analysis. They know if you do this, I, I, if we, if we had enough, post-tax going, I could sort of encode the idea of V over enough of the post-tax like, event in a post-tax. I could put like one character from the 90 fee and every single one, I could get the users.So it's, that's why you can only have one post-bac per install, right. Because if you did 50 or so, that makes sense. So, I mean, the thing is like, if I'm just ripping, what I do believe though, is like, you can eat, you can either have the privacy threshold or the random. Right because I need so like ramp the privacy threshold up to a million.I don't care, but let me have real-time install accounting because without that, I can't do anything. Right. If you, if I, if you're off you skating, even the date of installed in that I can't, I can't do in Sauk county. I can't, I can't, I can't, assess the economics of my campaigns because I don't even know when the installs are produced and I can't make changes to campaigns.Right. Without having to shut the whole thing down and wait, and to reuse that, one precious campaign ID within the, within the sort of like constraint of a hundred. Right. So. my sense is that like, if you just solve for that allow that allow real-time install accounting and then do whatever after that you have to do to prevent me from figuring out who those people are.Okay, that's fine. But at least then I know this campaign drove this many installs today. These were the targeting parameters. This was the audience I was reaching. This is how much I spent. Right. And like, even if we just went, cause I don't think you would lose a lot if you just went back. Cause right.You know, the, the frontier that we reached was like, we're in, especially on Facebook, I'm optimizing for value. I'm not demising for ROAS. Right. And that was like the sort of the final form of, of, of mobile advertising measurement is like, I'm telling Facebook, give me 110% ROAS on day seven. If you do that, I don't care how you target, who you target.You know, w how much you see CPI is, is irrelevant. I've got unlimited. You know, from a, from a sort of like practical standpoint on any given day spend as much as you can, but just make sure we'll get a hundred times that was the final form. And I think even if we sort of like retreated from there back to just like CPI, the average LTV of this campaign is X and the average, you know, the CPI was Y and so therefore I'm making money.That would be much less efficient, but still like it's workable right now. What we have is not workable.00:33:10 David:Yeah, well, I think you and I could riff on all this wonky stuff for another couple of hours and, I hope Apple's listening and actually going to make some changes and, listen better now that they're starting to see some of this stuff, but I did, I did want to change gears and kind of start talking through.What this means for developers and specifically, you know, sub club podcasts, what it means for subscription app developers and, and what you were just talking about. I think, I think is actually a really important, topic that not a lot of people fully understand you've written about it in the past, but I think it's still somewhat abstract enough, that I wanted to, to kind of have you describe it in more concrete terms.And that's the fact that with these, you know, day seven ROAS campaigns and value optimization and event optimization campaigns, Facebook with all of its data and AI in incredible targeting efficiency has kind of, in some ways been doing the job of developers. It's been finding. Those unique profiles, user profiles of who's actually going to spend money.Who's actually going to enjoy the app. And, and it's like, in some ways they, they became this really efficient black box of user profiling and understanding users that developers had kind of in the past done. And then maybe now need to get good at again in the future. know, again, you've written about this before, but just describe that process, maybe a little better of, of how amazing Facebook really was at finding the best users for an app.00:34:51 Eric:Well, they were very, you know, as you said, very, very good at it. Right. So, you know, it was based on like an approach that is, was very, simplistic, right? I mean, I just gonna, I'm gonna, if I can observe everything, then I know everything about this user and I can just target most relevant ads to them.Cause I know everything about what they interact with. Right. And I know what they like and you know, it gets to a point where that, that that ability to observe is so pervasive. That I, I do agree like that, that had, gone too far. Like the pendulum has swung too far in that direction.Like it is not, I find it unsavory to think that like, literally everything I do on my phone is observed and instrumented and ingested as a data point by one company. Right. Like that's, I'm uncomfortable with that. So, you know, and, but, but like, I think, you know, to your point, like going, you know, if you go back to when, when UAC was introduced, right.So Google their mobile product UAC is that's they describe it. I think that they themselves describe it as a black box as like a selling point. Right. Because it's like, look. Worried about any of that, you will handle all of this difficult analysis for you. We'll find the best users for you. You don't have to iterate across audience, definitions, or even creative, you know, and do all that experimentation yourself.We'll do that on your behalf with our superior tools. And when they announced it, there was a lot of, you know, disquietude in the, in the developer community. Cause people are like, look, we built this. We want to do it. I don't trust you to do it. I trust you to do it well, but I also trust it to do it to your advantage.Right, right. To pursue your best interest. Not necessarily mine, what I think you'll do. So this is, and this is exactly what these platforms do is they sort of, they take whatever boundary you set or whatever standard you set around efficiency. And they, they reached that. Right. They'll they'll get you to exactly what you say is like the sort of quality threshold or the efficiency threshold for your campaigns to keep spending money, but they won't give you any more than that.Right. So they could blow out your campaigns and get you 400% real ass. but if you told them you only need 110 by day seven, that's what, that's what you're going to get. And if they get you to that 400, then they're going to buy you a bunch of crappy traffic that brings the sort of average down until it hits that one 10.Right. And so, you know, that's, that's the power that they had, which, you know, to be fair, it's like, they were really good at that. And they would probably be, and, and, and them being really good at it. And then, and then present and providing that as a product productizing that and making that available to everyone.Meant that anyone could spin up a Facebook campaign, you know, any, any Shopify retailer, any Shopify merchant, any small time app developer and spend money and grow their product, grow their audience, right. Versus go back to 2012 and like, you know, the best UAA teams won. And, and a lot of times these were like big teams, big companies that raised a lot of money.You know, now, you know, it is way more egalitarian to open it up to anybody. And, you know, the small shop owner, in, I don't know, the middle of Kentucky or whatever could, could have access to this world-class machine learning infrastructure to grow their business. Right. And then they only really had to compete on the quality of their product and not the quality of their user acquisition infrastructure.So in a way it was, I mean, it was a giant gift to these SMBs and, and if the proof is in the pudding, look at Facebook's advertiser mix, 10 million advertisers, vast majority SMBs, right? 10 million average. Right. Think about any company that has 10 million customers, that's just an absurd scale. Right?And these are people spending, you know, in aggregate tons of money on Facebook. So like, it made sense, but, but, you know, there was a lot of pushback when UAC announced that. Cause developers said, look, we, that was our competitive advantage. Like, well, should it be, if we go back to basics and everybody has access to the same quality of infrastructure and the same quality of like, sort of like, you know, marketing tools and then you can be on the basis of your product.00:38:49 David:So then are we kind of going back to that world? I mean, after I think transparency is going to degrade, Facebook's targeting efficiency because they're not going to have that pervasive tracking where they know everything that's going on on your smartphone. So, so where do we go from, from here as far as, you know, what developers need to be thinking about?And, and I forget exactly when you were at this post, but, but I really appreciated you. You kind of talked through some, some tactics even around. developers needing to get better at capturing intent about potentially kind of bifurcating experience in the app is that we're we're developers should be headed of, okay.Now Facebook can't bring me the perfect user for my app as it exists today. and instead developers need to get back to the basics of understanding their user base and kind of building out those user profiles and understanding who they should be going after. Is it, is that where we're headed?00:39:48 Eric:I think so. I mean, I think we talked about this last time I was on this podcast, but like, you know, so when I wrote my book, Freeman, economics, I mean, this was like 2013. Right. And so this AEO didn't exist yet. You know, VO was didn't exist yet. This was, you bought installed. Right. And the idea of freemium or my sort of thesis with freemium is that like, it gives you the ultimate power to personalize.And so you need some minimum scale because you need a minimum amount of people to experiment with in order to make, you know, some small percentage of people that do monetize meaningful to you. but in order to do that, you need like a sort of like very large surface area for experimentation, right?You need a lot of content to be able to test against people and make sure that, you expose to them the exact perfect thing that they want. And in order to do that, you eat a lot. And so what ended up happening was that idea of flip. And it, and it became less about doing that in the product and more about doing that with the creative, right.And allowing Facebook to do that with four year on your behalf with the creative, then they found the perfect user and you need to do any personalization in the app because they probably the perfect user just make the app for the perfect user, that individual profile, that one profile. Perfect. You make that app, Facebook will find those people through like mass, you know, wide-scale experimentation with creative.Well, now it's flipped again. And so, you know, when someone comes into your app, you don't know who they are. You don't know how qualified they are, because the targeting has been degraded to the, to the point where, you know, th th there's, there's not a whole lot of, of sort of like operatory, you know, relevancy that you can Intuit there.And so you've got to parse that out from their behavior, show them something, see how they react to it. If they react positively to it, show them more of that. And if they don't show them more. And, and that kind of personalization though. I mean, it was very powerful and I talked and that's, I wrote a whole book about it, but it's hard to do.You need a big team, you need data infrastructure, you need that's, that's the thing. And then you revert back to like, well, only big developers can do this. Right. And so you've kind of just edged out the small guy. you know, the developers that are just like a couple of people and they got to just whiff, or they, they got to take a flyer on some idea, and they better hope that it works right.Versus being able to kind of iterate into that and provide one app that gives like personalized experiences to sort of everybody that comes through.00:41:56 David:Yeah. So then those, I mean, what would your advice be today knowing that you can't just, you know, throw a hundred grand at Facebook and let them figure out your perfect user? How, you know, if you're, if you're building an app today from scratch, or let's say you're at 20 or $30,000 in MRR and you want to make that leap and really grow, what do you do?00:42:18 Eric:Well, I think so. I mean, in that post, I mean the one thing that is, you know, it's a worthwhile exercise, but it is trying to instrument these, these signals with the conversion values for SKAdNetwork. Now, the problem with that was, you know, going into this before NTT was launched and, you know, I worked, you know, I worked with some companies to do this and it's like a data science exercise, right?You just, you, you run these, you know, you go back and you have like, kind of look back models and you find out what the commonality was amongst people that ended up being good users. And you try to surface that in the app and you encode that as a signal for a scanner. The problem is going into that exercise.You're thinking that sci network was like a good faith solution. it made sense, but now we realize, well, we don't even know when they're going to te when they're going to, how many of these we need to trigger before they even start reporting them to us. Right. And so like, it's like, okay, well, that's not really an option.You know, I think the other thing is, you know, you approach this as more of like a product marketing, you know, project and just trying to figure out who your audience is right here. And that's like, going back to basics, that's saying, okay, like, what are the demo features of the groups that like this type of product and that's what I have to target against.Right. And then just, and then trying to get, you know, cause you can't do mass creative testing anymore, at least on an iOS. And so, you know, trying to work out some pipeline of like, we try concepts on Android where we can still do kind of mass testing and then we promote the, the conceptual winners to iOS, but then we've got, you know, fewer, various success there.So we've got to kind of adapt that for the iOS environment. Like it's just, you lose a lot of, there's very lossy that each time you, you sort of transfer some sort of component of understanding from a totally separate platform. To iOS and then from iOS to like different environments to, to other environments on iOS, you just, you lose signal there, you lose precision.So I mean, it's it's, but that's it right. And then, you know, trying to get away. So I think another thing is that, you know, you talk to some of these companies and Facebook had become like kind of a drug for them. I mean, it's just like they were addicted to it. and it was just so easy to only use Facebook, right?Because you could accomplish everything you want it to, but you know, that's a classic, you know, sort of, that, that that's a classic sort of blunder from, from just a commercial perspective. You never want to be totally dependent on another platform. You know, now Facebook didn't make this decision.Apple did, but, you know, nonetheless, you know, your sort of devastated by it, right. Because of that dependency. So I think the other piece of this is just trying to, is doing, doing the work you should've done a long time ago, which is diversify your traffic mix. Right. And that's actually kind of difficult because Facebook, again, they did all that creative exploration for you.You know, they have such a broad user base that you could find all these different groups in scale, right at to, to scale like these even niche audiences, niche, look, any, any sort of like niche for X strategy game. You find enough people to build out, a big da you base and that's not true.I don't the other platforms. Right. And you got to really nail the form factor for those like snap is totally different. Like the way to approach the app is totally different. The Facebook, the way to approach tick talks to even snap, right? The way to approach Outbrain, Taboola totally different than any of those.You know, the way to approach YouTube is even different. Like every, all these, these are very, you know, particular, unique, channels and, and, and the way that the ads are are exposed in the products is different across them. And so you've to, you've got, gotta go through the work and the investment it's, you're investing in a data and, and, and sort of institutional knowledge.And all was never went through that exercise because it's like, I can just00:45:46 David:Right.00:45:46 Eric:Spend more Facebook.00:45:47 David:Yeah. And, where do you think organics fall into this mix? I know, like we talked to all trails on the, on the episode before that I said, not only are they a unicorn app, likely evaluation, but in, in their success with organics, I mean, there are apps that just find incredible success with that, right.Kind of search optimization or finding that right niche that really drives organic installs. Where do you think the average app should be placing organic and how much focus should they be putting on trying to get some of this free attention and build, you know, user generated content and links and things like that.00:46:35 Eric:I mean, do it to the extent that you can. I mean, why not? you know, I, I don't think you've got to choose one of the other, right. I mean, you should be ideally maximizing the effect of both of these strategies, but I will say one thing it's that you always have to turn on paid UI, right. You've always got to turn on paid marketing.There's varying, you know, sort of, timelines, you know, over which you have to confront that reality, but it is reality. You've always got to turn it on and like, I've done enough, like advisory for like private equity funds and just big companies that are looking to buy other companies.And it's always, the reason they bring me on is because I'm going to say, we could triple this business. If you did paid UA, right. We could cut Drupal this, like how, how, how much, how much bigger could this get? Right. And you know what I mean? Like, there's always a point where they've capped out. They never developed this, you know, expertise.Internally, right. It never became like domain knowledge that they possessed. And for that reason, there been a lot of false starts. Cause it's like, well, we can always sort of lean back on organic and it's going to take time to spin up paid and they bring someone in. And within two months they haven't really materially improve the business and they spend a bunch of money.So they get fired or, you know, they get the budget cut and they quit. And then they do that three more times and then they realize we're stalled out in growth. and no one wants to come work to be our CMO because like, it's pretty obvious that they're not gonna be. You know, the full freedom and the only way to sort of like break out of that cycle is to have the company get acquired right by a private equity fund is going to say, yeah, we're going to bring in a CMO and you know, these management's kind of gone and, or they're gone, but, or they can stay with it to play ball with the new, you know, the new execs and, and we're just gonna spin up paid marketing and that's, and that's how we grow this asset and that's how we make our money.So I've just been on enough of those deals where you always turn on page away. If you, even, if you, even, if you think you never will, it happens, you know, outside of your, approval.00:48:28 David:Yeah. I didn't mean to phrase the question anyway, that made it a black or white that you had to choose one over the other. And actually I was, I was trying to, to, to kind of, throw a softball at you, because I think your, your thinking on this, is great in that the sooner you do spin up some level of paid marketing, the sooner you, you can understand the different audiences that are going to be coming into the app.And, and that's something that you've talked a lot about that I think is really fascinating. Yeah. If you can find a good organic channel, go for it and bring traffic in, but know that when you spin up ads, those that traffic is going to look different. They're going to convert different. They're going to be interested in different things.And if you, yeah, I'm stealing your, your kind of playbook here. So yeah. Tell me why you think. even if you do have a very successful organic channel and maybe that's the strategy, you kind of get from 10 K a month to a hundred, 300 K a month. But to get from there to the millions a month, you're going to have to spin it up.So what's the playbook for, for kind of building that expertise in house. And when do you start, when do you have to start ramping it up?00:49:43 Eric:So thank you for reminding me of my thoughts here. so, so the idea, the idea there is like, organic's never going to be the ultimate scale channel, right? Like it's gonna, it's gonna, it's, it's gonna, you're gonna reach some sort of asymptote with growth there and it's gonna flatten out and probably at, you know, if you kind of close your eyes and you pictured your app at like the sort of greatest potential, right?Th this sort of like greatest sort of like intrinsic potential paid is 80% of daily, you know, new users, right. Or 60 or whatever, but it's a majority. And so if you've only. You know, grown via, you know, just sort of like organic traction and organic like magnetism, and you've, you've gone through like many sort of cycles of app or product iteration to sort of optimize the product for that group of people that do look distinct that will look distinct from people that have responded to some kind of stimulus, right.And have some sort of intent, sort of like, you know, driving their, their adoption of your product, then you've optimized for the group. That's that at the greatest potential scale of your, of your product is in minority. Right. And what you really want to do is you want to optimize the product for the majority, the, where all the growth, where the growth can be, right.And so that, you know, if you delay layering in pay traffic and you, and you delay, then you delay understanding what they want out of your product. And the sooner you bring that in the sooner you can sort of, Optimize the product for them, the more efficient your pay traction will be, and you'll get an organic halo effect from that.Right. And so like, it's like, well, the sooner that you do that, the faster that you sort of reach that, that sort of, you reached that potential on the organic side. So it's more about like, are you thinking about like how, I mean, an exercise that I always love to do is it's just like pause and think about like, what would success look like?And for most apps, success looks like, yeah, we're spending a ton of money on paid you way. And there's a lot of organic too, because that's just a function of being a successful app that a lot of people know about, but, but we're spending a ton on UI. That's a good thing. That's not a bad thing. It's a great thing.And so, but, but the majority of our users came in through paid UA and so we've optimized the app for them. and so we've, we've, we've made the economics better over time. And then the other piece is like in a, talked about this a lot too. It's like, you've got to change it. Over the life cycle of your app.It, because you know, a lot of times what you see as, you know, you see an app that's new they've got like explosive growth, right? And you look at the, just like a kind of stacked, a bar chart of the cohorts by age. And it's like, well, on any given day, the vast majority of users are new or they're less than a month old.Right. And then like you go, you fast forward two years or three years, and a really good app, that'll be flipped because you've, you've retained people. The vast majority of people that use your product every day are old. I mean, in terms of like when they adopted your product, because it's sticky because it's retentive, right.And that's a, that's a great place to be. But that, that you've got to change the way that you think about product optimization at that point. Like when you're going through the product iteration process, like, well, you're not optimizing for the newbies anymore because there's way fewer than you got to keep the old timers involved and engaged and.Right. Cause, you know, that's just where the vast majority of your revenue is coming from. Right. And, and, you know, and, and at that point you've probably reached, you know, some proportion of your Tam. And so you might not even be doing new user acquisition as such anymore. You might be doing a lot of retargeting re-engagement.And so it's just like, you gotta be very conscious of like the life cycle of the app, what the, what the user base looks like in terms of composition by age and like all that kind of stuff. And it just, it just takes a lot of consideration and it's it's, you know, and if you get to any point where like any of those, any of those distributions is skewed to an extreme, to an extreme one direction or the other, you probably got a problem.Like if you're all organic, you're not you leaving money on the table. If you're all old timers, when you're not growing anymore, if you're all 00:53:39 David:Right, 00:53:39 Eric:Retaining enough. Right. It's like all these different levers that you got to pull to make sure that you hit the optimal sort of combination.00:53:45 David:Yeah. That's great stuff. I love the way you put that too. I think there is some level of magical thinking that if I have just the right app, I never have to do marketing, marketing is a dirty word. Spending money on marketing is. It is wasteful or only companies with bad products have to do marketing and that's just not true.What's especially funny. a lot of these folks or indie developers who hold up Apple to be the end, all be-all Apple spends tens of billions of dollars on marketing, Apple measures that marketing while at the same time, you know, enacting ATT. App Tracking Transparency So it is funny that dichotomy of, and the magical thinking of I shouldn't have to pay for users.My product should be good enough it, really is just magical thinking. ultimately, spending money on marketing is a good thing. Not a bad thing. I love that perspective.00:54:39 Eric:Yeah, my, we had a Halloween party for my son and his classmates he's, he's very young and he was, he like, he did this thing where, you know, he wanted to be two things for Halloween. So they had like a, you know, a parade of their school. And then, we had, you know, we just had Halloween day country competing and stuff anyway, so he wanted to be a dinosaur.And then he decided he wanted to be a vampire for the Halloween day. so we had to get him a second costume. He was a vampire and a, and we're having this party and someone was like, oh, you look like such a scary vampire. I was like, I work in digital advertising.I'll show you what a vampire. looks like, It's this idea about digital advertising. Oh man. It's, so disgusting. it's crass gross. You have to spend money to acquire users That's that's that's that's so, vulgar, but in reality, you're leaving money on the table.If you could be doing it and you're not00:55:35 David:Right. 00:55:36 Eric:That's not good. 00:55:37 David:Yeah, totally. So, so, that, that's actually a great place to wrap up. Like where, where do we go from here? So ATT App Tracking Transparency is what it is. We don't know what Apple's going to do. We hope they make things better, but, what is the future of, of app install ads? What is the future of, of marketing your app successfully?00:55:57 Eric:It's funny because I, have been the biggest, crypto skeptic since day one. I remember people were telling me about Bitcoin in 2011 and I was like, this is a joke. Like, this is a, there's no need for this. There's no use case for this. I still feel that way, but it's gotten to a point where I feel like it's actually inculcating new behaviors where this is just.Crypto in general is probably the thing that introduces us to these ideas. it's like an imperfect way to implement them, but it makes us think about them. then there's going to be a solution that follows The structure of crypto. that is, is actually the better way to, to, to implement these ideas.But I've worked with a number of web 3.0 gaming companies. Right. And, and their challenge is that they can't be on the App Store. they're running like web properties. how do you promote that? And, the thing is if you're running it on the web, you can access it from your mobile device.I can access these games from my device It's just not on the App Store. if you get one of these that blows up, you get the halo of web 3.0 games. You get the, hit game that, creates the space for this category to thrive.Then. Maybe it just becomes, you know, acknowledged that yeah, we can go through the App Store if we want specific types of games, but if we want these other types of games, we just go straight to the browser. my big question is why did Apple do privacy really in the first place? maybe it was to actually route everything through the App Store, That would be the cynical conspiratorial take. It's that they want to prevent your access to the open web or they want to gatekeep it. so they're going to decide what you're able to access. But anyway, There are a lot of web 3.0 companies thinking about this right now.They can't go to the App Store, So there's no app install ads for them. It's all web-based. and, and also, you know, they've done a great loves Web 3.0 companies have done a great job of fostering community-driven marketing, Getting a discord server with 20,000 or 100,000 people in it.And That's where you advertise. you never have to pay for anything. now that's a first-mover thing. And I think that declines as more people enter the space. There are just, you know, there's just too many of these, these sort of games to, to sort of rely on that.But a lot of companies are thinking about that right now. How do we drive people to the web to do acquisition? Right. A lot of, you know, as, you know, a lot of, subscription companies, have been doing that for a long time, There are well-worn strategies for doing this. And they've been monetizing that way for a long time too.They haven't been screaming about it. But they've been doing it. now that, well, okay, now that's probably, that's, that's a policy that's allowed to, you're allowed to do that. Apple blesses. Well, they don't, they, anyway, they say we can't stop you. Maybe the consequence of this whole thing is that it just moves people into the browser. there's the web 3.0 piece of it, which, who knows maybe that is a dud. Maybe it's a gigantic category. I'm not convinced either way yet, but you've got people that are saying I'm going to set up web shops I made the point that like, look, I don't think that, you know, there's, there's, there are systematic reasons why that probably doesn't become a mass-scale solution.A lot of people are doing that anyway. A lot of games are doing that anyway. That's the other dirty little. secret A lot of gaming companies were sending emails saying, Hey, you know what, don't buy these IAPs in the app. Be

Audio ads. It's not a new thing. In fact, audio ads is the oldest way to deliver an ad from one human to another. So in this podcast we discuss the thesis behind audio ads on mobile in the post IDFA era, go into the weeds on how audio ads work and of course discuss the monetization potential they offer. Links: ODEOO Case Study in Hypercasual games Amit Monheit Get in Touch: Send us Questions and Feedback Deconstructor of Fun Newsletter Deconstructor of Fun Slack Group Hosts: Michail Katkoff (twitter) & Eric Seufert (twitter) Sponsors: Facebook Gaming, ironSource, Appsflyer, Beamable --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

In this episode, Adam chats with MAU Vegas Alumni, Eric Seufert of Mobile Dev Memo, for a well-rounded discussion regarding the future of advertising measurement.

In this episode, we discuss iOS 14, whether Android can provide safe havens, and the future of creatives post-ATT. Check out the latest growth strategy course: ios14strategy.com code: DT50 Your hosts: Michail Katkoff (twitter) and Eric Seufert (twitter) --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

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Got a question about the iOS 14 privacy changes, Audience Network, performance marketing or pretty much anything to do with user acquisition and mobile measurement? Well, Eric Seufert, a media strategist and editor of Mobile Dev Memo, is your man and he’s here on the show with a deep dive on all things mobile, from ATT, SKAN and UA to the hottest gaming IPOs.

Growth Triggers is a segment focusing on all matters of growth. In this episode, we discuss AppLovin's S1, the future of Clubhouse, and how China's tech giants are exploring ways to skirt Apple's privacy changes. Your hosts: Michail Katkoff (twitter) and Eric Seufert (twitter) --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

On this week's episode of The MadTech Podcast, ExchangeWire's Rachel Smith and Lindsay Rowntree are joined by Eric Seufert, industry veteran and founder of Mobile Dev Memo, to discuss the latest news in ad tech and martech. In this session, they cover: Google have reportedly been contemplating implementing a similar app tracking framework to Apple's impending ATT; the EU reveals that they may incorporate some elements of the ACCC's News Media Bargaining Code, which will force digital platforms to pay for news content, into their own legislation; and Walmart have bolstered their digital advertising offering with the purchase of Thunder.

Are Apple’s coming IDFA changes going to have a bigger ripple effect across the entire tech industry than we’re even anticipating? Chinese users are flocking to Clubhouse which… probably means the end of Clubhouse in China. Why a shortage of silicon is causing automakers to cut vehicle production. And, of course, the weekend longreads suggestions.Sponsors:Audible.com/techmeme or text "techmeme" to 500-500Metalab.comLinks:Facebook’s not the only one worried about Apple’s privacy change — Snap and Unity both just warned investors about it (CNBC)An Interview with Eric Seufert about Apple, Facebook, and Mobile Advertising (Stratechery)Google taps your phone cameras to measure your heart rate (Engadget)Chinese flock to freewheeling US chat app Clubhouse (Nikkei Asia)Ford says ‘millions’ of its vehicles will run on Google’s Android starting in 2023 (The Verge)Car manufacturing hit by global semiconductor shortage (FT)Weekend Longreads Suggestions:Andy Jassy Twitter Thread (@ankithharathi)This Hedge Fund Made $700 Million on GameStop (WSJ)PFOF is the Ad Model for Brokerage (Justin Paterno)Superstar Cities Are in Trouble (The Atlantic)They’re Flocking to America to Make a Fortune Playing Video Games (NYTimes)Subscribe to RideHome+ at tech.supercast.tech

In this week’s episode, we asked mobile marketing expert Eric Seufert for his take on upcoming privacy changes in iOS 14 and why the post-IDFA world presents a huge opportunity for mobile app developers.

We're very excited to present a very special episode - highlights from The Definitive Guide To Marketing In a Post-IDFA World.As some of you may know, we released the book last week - featuring highlights from over 500 minutes of audio, featuring some of the smartest folks in mobile that we've had a chance to speak to on the Mobile User Acquisition Show.On today's episode, we feature the most impactful quotes from the book. These are also highlights from some of the previous episodes of the Mobile User Acquisition Show that deal with the privacy changes coming with iOS 14.These feature some of the smartest folks in mobile who've been guests on the Mobile UA show, including: John Koetsier, Thomas Petit, David Philippson, Maor Sadra, Eric Seufert, Nimrod Zuta, Pau Quevedo, Andy Carvell, Kevin Bravo, Gadi Eliashiv, Nebojsa Radovic, Colette Nataf, Gabe Kwakyi, Warren Woodward, and Mark Loranger.KEY HIGHLIGHTS

Welcome to TWIG #98! This week we cover: #1. Facebook has abandoned the IDFA and may kill FAN for iOS. What’s next for mobile measurement? #2. Unity’s IPO numbers look pretty… Unreal #3. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War costs $69.99 for next-gen consoles #4. The risks of market research LINKS: Best Practices Live Ops Digital Conference. More info: liveops.splashthat.com Eric Seufert blog post: Apocalypse Now: per WWDC, the IDFA is dead Guest Host: Eric Seufert. Check out Eric's blog: MobileDevMemo. And his Twitter: @eric_seufert Regular Hosts: Joe Kim. Any Ubisoft employees wanting help finding a new job DM me! Eric Kress Adam Telfer --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

Is Apple playing fair? Apple looks to be giving its own ad network a leg up on competitors with customer data that other ad networks can’t access. In iOS 14, Apple Advertising appears to have a separate settings panel with a default-on setting. Other advertisers and ad networks on iOS, however, need to ask permission every single time. “It’s preferential access to users’ data,” mobile expert Eric Seufert says. “Now they’re best-positioned to gain market share in mobile app install ads.” That’s close to an $80 billion industry that Google and Facebook currently dominate.

In today's episode, we have an all star panel featuring the smartest folks we know. The episode features Eric Seufert from Mobile Dev Memo, mobile growth consultant Thomas Petit, and Nebojsa Radovic from N3TWORK.What are advertisers solving for? What kind of advertisers will be the most and least impacted? Of the solutions proposed, what's real and what isn't? Each of our superstar guests offers their tips, strategies, and opinions on what the mobile marketing world will look like post-IDFA - and more importantly how to prepare. Key Highlights:

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Monumental changes are changes are coming to mobile games market. First one to bear the hit is the performance marketing ecosystem. As Play Store follows suit, attribution platforms, ad networks and Facebook are struggling to adapt to the new reality. And as the shift happens, performance marketing teams will go through a rapid bottoms up change due to all the changes in the ecosystem. In this episode we dive deeper into the implications of the changes to the marketing ecosystem. What happens to CPIs and CPMs? What is the role of cross-promotion going forward? Will IPs be a more important for games looking to grow? How about ad monetization? We also discuss the future of various different type of mobile games companies from hypercasual publishers to mid-core developers, from startups to giants with large and diversified portfolios. ---- Our guests: Eric Seufert www.linkedin.com/in/ericseufert Yevgeny Peres https://www.linkedin.com/in/yevgenyperes/ --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

At WWDC this year Apple essentially killed the IDFA, the identifier for advertisers. It’s not completely gone … but it’s now opt-in with a big scary warning. Now we’re wondering … will this kill modern mobile marketing as we know it? In this episode of TechFirst with John Koetsier, we chat with Eric Seufert former VP of User Acquisition for Rovio. He runs Mobile Dev Memo, QuantMar.com, and is a consultant. What we chat about: Is this a mobile marketing apocalypse? Attribution Look-alike audiences AEO and VO: Facebook tROAS: Google Retargeting Ad-based monetization Segmentation & cohorts LTV modeling Fingerprinting Facebook & Google Ad networks SSPs DSPs

Welcome to the second episode of the Mobile Dev Memo Academy preview series.Our guest today is Eric Seufert. Eric is the founder of Heracles and Mobile Dev Memo. Eric is a media strategist and quantitative marketer who has spent his career working for transformative consumer technology and media companies, including Skype and Rovio. Eric most recently sold his mobile advertising analytics company, Agamemnon, to the mobile gaming company N3TWORK. In today's episode, we get into a macroeconomic perspective on what the current pandemic means for the mobile app economy - and how we might see the world change over the next couple of months. This is absolutely something that Eric has a great deal of perspective on - and I'm thrilled to have him share these. Also: Eric is teaching the course ‘Introduction to Marketing Cohort Analysis' for Mobile Dev Memo Academy. Check his course out on http://mdm.academy - alongside the other courses taught by some of the smartest folks in mobile. Of course, Eric is the brain behind the Mobile Dev Memo Academy - huge props to him for helping make this project happen. As the pandemic makes massive changes to the retention and monetization profiles of apps, these courses are perhaps timely in helping you adapt, learn and upskill - and I highly recommend checking these out. Key Highlights:

Don’t be fooled: the mobile app economy will implode just like everything else. Question is, how should games companies operate through the recession or even depression? What should the UA strategies look like for the different types of game portfolios? And what will the market look like when it’s all said and done? I had lots of questions. Kudos to Eric Seufert and Brian Murphy for sharing their views and insights. --- For more informations, please visit: www.mobiledevmemo.com www.appsflyer.com www.ironsrc.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

Eric worked for Skype. He was VP of user acquisition for Rovio. He was head of platform for N3TWORK. He built Agamemnon and runs Mobile Dev Memo. In this episode, we talk about: the biggest changes in mobile the elimination of the IDFA the impact of GDPR and CCPA scaling marketing beyond the initial easy wins the increasingly important role of creative in advertising the problems with programmatic the triumvirate is the new duopoly: Google, Facebook, and Amazon the rise of Amazon incrementality is everything and much more!

This episode features Eric Seufert, founder at Heracles, founder at QuantMar, and founder at MobileDevMemo.com . Eric is perhaps one of the smartest people in mobile user acquisition today - in this episode Eric walks us through how to model out an app's DAU. Key highlightsWhy systematic modeling of growth is crucial to an app.What inputs Eric recommends for systematic modeling of growth.How to think about the DAU gap to be closed – and the UA effort required to close it.How granular or high-level should a model be? How Eric recommends thinking about this.Check out the full transcript and show notes here:http://mobileuseracquisitionshow.com/episode/how-to-model-out-an-apps-dau-with-eric-seufert-founder-at-heracles-quantmar-mobiledevmemo/**Get more mobile user acquisition goodies here:http://RocketShipHQ.comhttp://RocketShipHQ.com/blog**Check out our podcast featuring inside stories of how technology evolves and grows:http://HowThingsGrow.co

Today we are joined by guest host Eric Seufert who writes the really great marketing & UA focused blog: https://mobiledevmemo.com/ Also check out Eric's F2P Marketing/UA site: https://quantmar.com/ This week we cover: #1. The future of mobile growth teams #2, Acquisition and conversion costs threaten a mobile bust | Opinion #3. Call of Duty: Mobile is live after a troubled launch #4. Transparent Loot Boxes: CSGO in France + Rocket League Blueprints #5. Facebook announces Horizon, a VR massive-multiplayer world Hit us up on Twitter: @jokim1, @ekress, @adamwtelfer, @m_katkoff, and @eric_seufert Let us know which news topics you want us to talk about next or more in-depth. Or to let us know how we can improve. Also hit the subscribe button to get notified when we deconstruct the latest news in games! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

My guest today is Eric Seufert. Eric is the Head of Platform at N3twork, the founder of MobileDevMemo.com, author of the book ‘Freemium Economics' - and one of the foremost experts on mobile user acquisition today. Eric started his career as an analyst at Skype, and went on to work with gaming companies like Digital Chocolate, Grey Area and Wooga - before heading up user acquisition for Rovio, in which capacity he headed up much of the launch activity for Angry Birds 2, which launched with over 25 million installs in the first week after its launch. Eric has also consulted with over 30 app development companies on their growth - and developed the growth and user acquisition platform Agamemnon, which was acquired by N3twork in 2017. Eric has worked on an incredibly wide variety of apps - and he's seen it all, from the early days of mobile growth where you could basically buy bot installs to hit the top 10 ranks on iTunes to today's increasingly sophisticated world of automation and programmatic growth. Indeed, his site MobileDevMemo.com is one of the resources I learn so much from and recommend very often to folks. In this fascinating and in-depth conversation, we dive into not only the state of mobile growth over the years and the forces that defined the evolution of mobile growth - but also into Eric's fascinating career and work that has led him to develop an incredibly nuanced perspective on the past, present and future of growth on mobile.KEY HIGHLIGHTSHow Eric got his start in user acquisition & growth from following his curiosity about freemium.How Eric's fears about the possibility that his company would fail impelled him to start his blog – and how his blog got him his next job.The difference between mobile and desktop when it comes to user acquisition.Do you have be a big established company with a huge balance sheet to build a commercial successful app?The anxiety that Rovio had before Angry Birds 2 about living up to the original – and Eric's team's strategy for launch.Why programmatic is so hard to make work.Check out the full transcript and show notes here:https://howthingsgrow.co/a-brief-history-of-mobile-user-acquisition-with-eric-seuferthead-of-platform-at-n3twork-founder-at-mobiledevmemo/**Get more goodies here:http://MobileUserAcquisitionShow.comhttp://RocketShipHQ.comhttp://RocketShipHQ.com/blog

Today's guest is none other than Eric Seufert, author of Freemium Economics and editor of the popular mobile blog Mobile Dev Memo. This is the exact interview from our very first virtual summit in 2018 where Eric shares why there's a shift to programmatic targeting, the types of apps in the top grossing charts and what types of games can adopt a subscription-based model. Eric Seufert leads platform at N3TWORK. Also, he is the author of Freemium Economics, published by Elsevier in 2014 and Owner / Editor at Mobile Dev Memo.

Today we talk with the famous Eric Seufert who also publishes the popular blog Mobiledevmemo and heads platformfor N3twork. Together we cover the following topics: #1. The problem with the 30% platform fee on mobile in three charts #2. High growth, low growth, no growth: systematic growth with DAU replacement #3. Using machine learning to automate mobile marketing budgets #4. What will the next generation of app stores look like? Hit us up on Twitter(@m_katkoff,@jokim1, @ekress) to let us know, which news topics you want us to talk about next or more in-depth. Or to just let us know how we can improve. Also, hit the subscribe button to get notified when we deconstruct the latest news in games. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deconstructoroffun/support

In this episode of mobile minutes, Ouriel Ohayon and Eric Seufert discuss the Chick fil A app burst and some other examples of retailers bursting their apps into top chart positions

In this week's episode of Mobile Minutes, Ouriel Ohayon and Eric Seufert discuss the topic of mobile ad fraud

In Episode 5 of Mobile Minutes, Ouriel Ohayon and Eric Seufert discuss ad blocking

In Episode 4 of mobile minutes, Ouriel Ohayon and Eric Seufert discuss live video on mobile.

In this week's episode of Mobile Minutes, Ouriel Ohayon and Eric Seufert discuss App Store Search

Mack and Eric discuss Helsinki, Facebook's role in mobile and the outright fraud that can take place with ad networks. "Maybe there is a toaster repairman on your team, and maybe you only have a team of toaster repairmen instead of people making toast, because that's what the algorithm does."

Jonathan Carter, co-founder of Glimworm iBeacons, explains the growing excitement around iBeacons and how these advanced location transmitters can deliver alerts and deals to consumers on their smartphones. Eric Seufert, author of the must-read app business book Freemium Economics: Leveraging Analytics and User Segmentation to Drive Revenue shares his top tips. Follow his dos and donts (specifically one do and two donts) to get avoid over-spending or under-achieving.InMobis Pankaj Bengani, VP of Global Strategic Partnerships, discusses how marketers can use native ads advertising that is integrated into the user experience of the mobile app to deliver to increase conversions and boost engagement.

onathan Carter, co-founder of Glimworm iBeacons, explains the growing excitement around iBeacons and how these advanced location transmitters can deliver alerts and deals to consumers on their smartphones. Eric Seufert, author of the must-read app business book Freemium Economics: Leveraging Analytics and User Segmentation to Drive Revenue shares his top tips. Follow his do’s and donts. The post iBeacons, In-Door Mobile Marketing, Native Ads and App Monetization appeared first on Mobile Presence.

Understanding, calculating and optimizing how much money your customers spend in your app is key to a good app marketing strategy, and Eric Seufert, author of the must-read app business book Freemium Economics: Leveraging Analytics and User Segmentation to Drive Revenue shares his top tips. Follow his do’s and don’ts (specifically one ‘do’ and two […] The post LTV Expert Eric Seufert: Tips To Make More Money With Your App appeared first on Mobile Presence.

Talking Apponomics and apps with the Author of Freemium Economics, Eric Seufert. Peggy and Shahab talk to this LTV guru talks about user acquisiton and his new book.