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This week on the Mix, Kendrick is back to break down the latest on RHOA--the latest dynamics between Porsha and Shamea, and the many questions about the Oakleys we have. Then get into these SECRET LIVES OF MORMIN WIVES WITH US! Our fave and least fave ladies of MomTok, Demi v Taylor, and Whitney's stunning performance this season. That and so much more of course. Come mix with us!Follow Mani on Instagram and PatreonListen to I Ken Not with Kendrick TuckerFollow Kendrick on Instagram/Threads

Mike Ettenberg never intended to choose between his two passions. Growing up in California, he found himself equally drawn to the thrill of entrepreneurship and the heroism of firefighting. Like many of us who've felt that pull in different directions, Mike initially thought he had to pick one path. What emerged instead was Frontline Optics – a sunglasses company born from the frustration of repeatedly destroying $200 Oakleys in the back of fire engines. With remarkable candor, Mike shares how he launched his business with just $5,000 from forced overtime shifts while still working full-time as a firefighter. That initial investment covered 300 pairs of sunglasses, a basic website, trademark filing, and minimal marketing – a humble beginning for what would become a thriving business.The real breakthrough came unexpectedly. After months of amateur marketing efforts, Mike created a video showing sunglasses falling in slow motion with fire equipment in the background. That single ad transformed his business from $30K to $170K in annual revenue. "I became a student of advertising at that point," Mike explains, highlighting how success often comes from identifying exactly what resonates with your specific audience.What makes Frontline Optics unique isn't just their focus on durability for first responders – it's their commitment to values that mirror the brotherhood and sisterhood of emergency services. Their "no questions asked" replacement policy acknowledges the reality of gear destruction on the job. Their team structure provides customer service even during night shifts. And their charitable giving supports organizations like First Responders Children's Foundation.For those dreaming of starting something, Mike's advice cuts through the noise: "If you go to bed at night thinking about doing something, and when you're running on a treadmill aimlessly you're thinking about doing something, and you're surfing podcasts and you're thinking about doing something – it means that it's in you. So just go do it." Ready to support a first responder-owned business or find sunglasses that can actually survive your shift? Follow @frontlineoptics on Instagram or visit frontline-optics.com to see their full line of durable, ANSI-rated eyewear designed specifically for the demands of emergency services.

Send us a textStrap in, degenerates. In this brutally honest, no-holds-barred episode of Ones Ready, we sit down with Recon Marine, The War Journal author, intelligence community insider, and potential future Ambassador to Afghanistan—James. Freakin' Sisco.This isn't your average “rah-rah” war story episode. Sisco takes us deep into the grit and grime of Desert Storm, recounts the absolute hilarity of rolling into combat with Oakleys and Guns N' Roses, and then slams you into an emotional brick wall with betrayal, loss, and the aftermath of trauma stuffed into a rucksack for 30 years.From saving lives with a handwritten journal to calling BS on the Medal of Honor fame train, Jim serves up reality checks hotter than a desert MRE. He even casually drops that he's running a global risk advisory firm, trying to be Charge d'Affaires to Afghanistan, and working on a freakin' miniseries with the Marine Corps.This episode is raw. It's hilarious. It's painful. It's human. It's what happens when the mission ends and the real battle begins—with yourself.

It's a new year, and we're back, baby! Join Delta Work as she celebrates her 49th birthday with the fabulous Vicky Vox! The party kicks off with a hilariously offbeat chat about humans, aliens, and—wait for it—monkey men in Oakleys. From there, it's a nostalgic trip down memory lane, reminiscing about wild nights in Palm Springs and the chaos of Beacher's Madhouse. But that's not all—Delta declares she's here to ‘serve we' and delivers her no-nonsense manifesto for 2025. Computers asking for tips? Absolutely not. Rude, unsolicited comments? Girl bye! Get ready for laughs, opinions, and all the iconic Delta energy you've been waiting for! Listen to Very Delta Ad-Free AND One Day Early on MOM Plus   Send us an e-mail at readmedelta@gmail.com   FOLLOW DELTA @deltawork   VERY DELTA IS A FOREVER DOG AND MOGULS OF MEDIA (M.O.M.) PODCAST Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Zuck's reportedly launching smart Oakleys this year… and a smart watch and airpods next year.PopUp Bagels is the fastest-growing bagel chain in America… and they prioritize inconvenience.“Stargate” is Sam Altman's new $500B AI project… it would be the most expensive thing we'd ever build.Plus, the medals handed out at the Paris Olympics? They're losing their gold. $DNUT $META $MSFTWant more business storytelling from us? Check out the latest episode of our new weekly deepdive show: The untold origin story of…

We are back after spending a week partying on the Gold Coast watching cars lunch at the beach chicane and rub panels... Jetskis, hoverboards, choppers and concerts... and that's just at the track. Then its it's the wild Goldy nightlife.. Grab your Illusion shaker and your Oakleys and pull up a cabana lunge. thanks to www.gamelife.com.au

Scott talks about the time he was tricked into a risky situation and almost lost his brand new Oakleys in the process.  When were you  blamed for something you didn't do? Unfortunately for Scott he was OFTEN acting up, so the one time he DIDN'T do something really fucked up, he still got blamed for it.  Prank Challenge: Luke challenges Scott to call his interior designer the amazing Nicole Rosenberg and tell her he doesn't like his bedroom (that she JUST finished redesigning).  Shithead Kids: A sink plugging nightmare  LINKS Follow @liberty.interiors on Instagram, the amazing Nicole Rosenberg's business - https://bit.ly/libertyinteriors-ig .  Want to see us in person?! Buy tickets to our national live tour at https://bit.ly/sassytour-tix . Send us your Shithead Kid Story via DM at @lukeandsassyscottpodcast   Follow us on Instagram @lukeandsassyscottpodcast  CREDITS: Hosts: Luke And Sassy ScottGuest: Nicole Rosenberg @liberty.interiors   Executive Producer & Editor: Elise CooperSocial Producer: Amy CodeVideo Producer: Nick BarrettManaging Producer: Sam CavanaghTalent Manager: Kirsty Kassabis  Find more great podcasts like this at www.listnr.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

She doesn't believe that a pair of Oakleys won't save her from the sun.  Chicago's best morning radio show now has a podcast! Don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts and remember that the conversation always lives on the Q101 Facebook page.  Brian & Kenzie are live every morning from 6a-10a on Q101.    Subscribe to our channel HERE: https://www.youtube.com/@Q101 Like Q101 on Facebook HERE: https://www.facebook.com/q101chicago Follow Q101 on Twitter HERE: https://twitter.com/Q101Chicago Follow Q101 on Instagram HERE: https://www.instagram.com/q101chicago/?hl=en Follow Q101 on TikTok HERE: https://www.tiktok.com/@q101chicago?lang=en  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

She doesn't believe that a pair of Oakleys won't save her from the sun.  Chicago's best morning radio show now has a podcast! Don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts and remember that the conversation always lives on the Q101 Facebook page.  Brian & Kenzie are live every morning from 6a-10a on Q101.    Subscribe to our channel HERE: https://www.youtube.com/@Q101 Like Q101 on Facebook HERE: https://www.facebook.com/q101chicago Follow Q101 on Twitter HERE: https://twitter.com/Q101Chicago Follow Q101 on Instagram HERE: https://www.instagram.com/q101chicago/?hl=en Follow Q101 on TikTok HERE: https://www.tiktok.com/@q101chicago?lang=en  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Owen Blackhurst, Seb White, Tommy Stewart, and James Bird are here to chat about our Bob Marley x Admiral collaboration, Joe Jordan and Gennaro Gattuso, goose grease, Grindr and Feeld, football kinks, Football Focus, fake Oakleys, squaring up to Patrick Vieira, Irish playwright Enda Walsh, Italia 90, an angry Steve Staunton, playing pool with Jack Charlton, Paul Gascoigne pouring pints over his head, an Irish Wolfhound, Owen's army of dogs, Daniel Radcliffe, Lauren James, Emma Hayes, Lionel Messi, Mohamed Salah, Steve Buscemi, Mitchell and Webb, Wayne Rooney in the rondo, Reece James, Edgar Davids at Barnet, Banquet Records, Kevin Day at Crystal Palace, The Office, the Wolverhampton Civic, Wu-Tang Clan: Of Mics and Men, training tops, Seb sleeping in football shorts, sandbaggers, swearing at women's football, IDLES, independent record shops, Tower Records, pub darts, and remember, please subscribe to the magazine so that we can keep doing the podcast!Get the latest issue of MUNDIAL Mag hereSign up for the The Hat-Trick NewsletterFollow MUNDIAL on Twitter - @mundialmagFollow MUNDIAL on Instagram - @mundialmag Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In episode 92, I chat with New Zealand RR champion and stage 1 winner of the Tour Down Under, Ally Wollaston. Sitting down at the Hilton, Adelaide, we chat about her recent successful start to 2024 at the TDU, personally and for her AG Insurance-Soudal team. There is also some chat about Oakleys, chocolate, coffee and moon landings (allegedly). Finally, we dive into her focus on the track for NZ heading into the Paris Olympics in July. Head to www.procyclingkitsales.com to check out the rest of the pro-issued kit catalogue - use code TPR10 for 10% off! - - - Check out BIKE RAKZ - store your bikes the correct way and save 20% with code TPR20. - - - NEW TPR x TDU Merch! - Get yours at www.tprcyclingnews.com - - - Become a Friend of the TPR Podcast and access unique behind-the-scenes content by supporting TPR on Patreon. I share extra podcasts, sponsor content and give you guys special updates of how TPR gets our special guests on board. The Press Room Podcast is presented by Zwift. Head to www.zwift.com to get your 7-day free trial.  Supporting Sponsors of TPR BIKE RAKZ - the leading modern bike rack storage manufacturer Use code: TPR20 for 20% off!  https://bikerakz.com/ ProCycling Kit Sales! Use code: TPR10 for 10% off https://procyclingkitsales.com/ - - - TPR Instagram https://www.instagram.com/thepressroompodcast/ TPR Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFT_W4qMStQ&t=140s  

What do you get when you cross Floptimist favourite Don "The Dragon" Wilson with 90's Vampires? Well, you get Night Hunter. A movie that takes the vampire hunting rule book and tosses it into a fire!Join us as we discuss this proto Blade concept, that blew all their wooden stake budget on Oakleys. With bad journalists, worse cops, & a hero wearing a duster and fingerless gloves! This movie has it all...  expect a story that makes sense or the time to film more than one take...

Kioskvältande blockbuster time! Tage & Joel tar sig in i Mission Impossible-filmernas actionfyllda värld. Och det stora förstoringsglaset riktas mot den andra installationen av filmserien - Mission: Impossible 2, eller M:I-2 som den sådär snitsigt brukar kallas. Absurt nog blir pojkarna fortfarande kvar i Australien, eftersom Ethan Hunts äventyr nu styr kosan mot landet down under där ett livsfarligt virus odlas fram. Och eftersom M:I-2 inte bara är en synnerligen påkostad marknadsföringskampanj för Oakleys häftiga solbrillor, utan också ett intressant musikaliskt case - så har vi bjudit in musikdoktorn Axel, Joels bror, för att avhandla signaturlåtarna av Limp Bizkit och Metallica som faktiskt är specialskrivna för denna film. Mycket nöje. Hitta podden hos allehanda streamingtjänster och poddappar. Och vill du oss nånting så nås vi på 9606podcast@gmail.com.

30+ hours into the game, it appears that Pokémon Company finally remembered that they needed to have some bad guys in this game. So they crammed both the criminal syndicate and corporate overlord into one big, confusing plot that involves a bunch of guys in Oakleys, an underground power plant, and a non-Euclidean pile of poison bones. Oh, and Drew England meets someone(s) new from the Great State of Vermont.

The Most Important Movie In The History Of The World is here so the FMB lather themselves in SPF 1000, slap on a pair of Oakleys and sit back to watch the fireworks. 

Recently, my Oakley prescription glasses had a snafu so I decided to visit Sunglass Emporium of Prescott to see if they could remedy my optical woes. Despite not purchasing my readers at Sunglass Emporium, the owner told me straight away, "I can get these under a warranty claim. I am sure they'll want to know what's going on with these. Oakleys rarely have issues like this." Sure enough, two weeks later, I received a call from owner Aaron Horton (Owner/Optician) who left me a voicemail. "Hey, got your new Oakley frames in. Come on down and I'll switch out your... For the written story, read here >> https://www.signalsaz.com/articles/sunglass-emporium-of-prescott-editors-choice-001/Follow the CAST11 Podcast Network on Facebook at: https://Facebook.com/CAST11AZFollow Cast11 Instagram at: https://www.instagram.com/cast11_podcast_network

Kathi, Midge,, and Euan gather round the table to pull apart the first full week of the 2023 Tour de France. It’s … Continue reading →

We've got another heavy hitter in the house today as we welcome in the man who led the Harker Heights Knights to their best season in school history this past year with an appearance in the Regional Final where they fell to the eventual state champs. Eerily similar to the 2007 season at Fort Bend Clements where Coach Kovo met this guy as another successful member of the Jeff Hulme coaching tree. He is now the Head Football Coach and Campus Athletic Coordinator for the Colleyville Heritage Panthers - welcome Jerry Edwards to the show! - The old Cross Canadian Ragweed song says "You're Always 17 in Your Hometown" perhaps that would fit Quitman, TX where Jerry grew up graduating in a class of 200 and having his dad be the town Mayor!! - Starting as a pre-med student at Texas A&M before one chance outing at a Mexia HS playoff football game changed his life forever. - How another chance occurrence led to Jerry's resume landing on the desk of one Coach Jeff Hulme, starting a decade-long partnership coaching winning football. - Leading Harker Heights back to prominence with a record-breaking season to remember, including fulfilling a childhood dream of leading a visiting team into legendary Ratliff Stadium in Odessa. - Finally as a fellow self-proclaimed "Friday Night Lights" TV nerd, Jerry puts on the blue-tinted Oakleys and assumes the role of Head Coach Eric Taylor (who he actually met at a bar in Marfa, TX - not even kidding) and settle the ultimate QB1 Start-Bench-Cut debate: Vince Howard, Matt Saracen, or Ray "Voodoo" Tatum along with some fun Fighting Texas A&M Aggie Wrecking Crew and QB Start-Bench-Cuts! Join the Team Player Revolution! The biggest help is to leave a 5-star rating. This is what moves us up the rankings so more people can hear the stories of coaches changing lives Follow on Twitter @coach_kovo Hit us up at teamplayerpodcast@gmail.com - we lift up our own inside Team Player Nation, all guest suggestions/feedback is welcome! Art for the Team Player Podcast was created by Kaiser St. Cyr Music for the Team Player Podcast is from the single One More/Good Enough by Avrion - available on all platforms

On 125, the guys are back with Marcel to discuss Oakleys (06:00), YSL (24:00) & Pras' trial (44:30), Mixtape websites DatPiff, LiveMixtapes & Spinrilla (1:13:00), Clips Of The Week (1:51:00) and much more. Tap In! https://linktr.ee/sywnet Follow, Subscribe, Like & Share! Subscribe To The Patreon: http://Patreon.com/SYWNET Twitch: https://twitch.tv/sywnet Follow The Show Your Work Team! https://twitter.com/sywnet?s=21&t=5EYa6Xk5-zLrkYNjtywXkwhttps://discord.gg/59y68VNz DJ Larry: https://twitter.com/djlarry0093?s=21&t=5EYa6Xk5-zLrkYNjtywXkw Nelson: https://twitter.com/whoisoriginel?s=21&t=5EYa6Xk5-zLrkYNjtywXkw Yungin: https://twitter.com/2lsyungin?s=21&t=5EYa6Xk5-zLrkYNjtywXkw Winston: https://twitter.com/kingmurphymedia?s=21&t=5EYa6Xk5-zLrkYNjtywXkw Marcel can be found at : @MarcelG1017 on Twitter and @cellbiggaveli

Cable & Angus grab their leather jackets, whip out the Oakleys and jump on the motorbike and head to Sydney to check out the "Mission Impossible" that Ethan Hunt is sent on. #MissionImpossible #MissionImpossible2 #Sydney #Australia #EthanHunt #TomCruise #ThandieNewton #NyahHall #DougrayScott #SeanAmbrose #VingRhames #LutherStrickell #RichardRoxburgh #HughStamp #JohnPolson #BillyBaird #BrendanGleeson #McCloy #RadeSerbedzija #JohnWoo #SequelsSuck #SequelsSuckPodcast #GhostProtocol #RogueNation #Fallout #deadreckoning Please rate, comment & subscribe to Sequels Suck Podcast. And don't forget you can hear us on all good podcast feeds! Instagram - @sequelssuckpodcast @gusgusbrown @cosplaycable

There's still a whole lot of bargain bin DVDs sitting around for us to tackle. Only two movies were duplicated and we all ready did Poker Night. So we finally got down to Blood Money[2012]. It features Mr Worldwide himself, Pitbull. For about three minutes. Two of those are part of one of his songs though! The rest is an incomprehensible plot where an assassin with magic Oakleys kills people. So his boss can run cocaine into China. Then the guy turns on his boss because a girl has sex with him in a shower before he applies soap. It's about as sexy as an instructional film on road accidents … Continue reading "Popcorn Pulse 188: Blood Cats"

There's still a whole lot of bargain bin DVDs sitting around for us to tackle. Only two movies were duplicated and we all ready did Poker Night. So we finally got down to Blood Money[2012]. It features Mr Worldwide himself, Pitbull. For about three minutes. Two of those are part of one of his songs though! The rest is an incomprehensible plot where an assassin with magic Oakleys kills people. So his boss can run cocaine into China. Then the guy turns on his boss because a girl has sex with him in a shower before he applies soap. It's about as sexy as an instructional film on road accidents … Continue reading "Popcorn Pulse 188: Blood Cats"

Welcome to episode 41 of Inside the Line: The Catskills! On this episode, I have a wonderful chat with Ken Posner who likes to hike… barefoot! Ken is a longtime runner/hiker and shares his great experiences of hiking the Catskills and other places with nothing but his bare feet. We talk about his book ‘Running the Long Path,' his blog and of course, completing the Catskills All Trails challenge TOTALLY BAREFOOT! Catskills history tonight is about tourists in the 1800's coming to the Catskills. Subscribe on any platform! Share! Donate! Do whatever you want! I'm just glad you're listening! And remember... VOLUNTEER!!! Links for the Podcast: https://linktr.ee/ISLCatskillsPodcast Like to be a sponsor? Send me an email: srusin82@gmail.com If you would like to help with the cost of production for the show, buy us a coffee! https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ITLCatskills Ken's Website: https://www.barefootken.com/ Ken's Book: https://www.amazon.com/Running-Long-Path-Discovery-Excelsior-ebook/dp/B01M01B96Y Ken's Blog: https://thelongbrownpath.com/author/posnerk/ SRT Run: www.SRTrun.com Catskills All Trails Challenge: https://catskillmountainclub.org/the-all-trails-hiking-challenge-redlining-the-catskills/ Trailhead stewards for 3500 Club: http://catskill-3500-club.org/adopt-a-trailhead.php Catskills Trail Crew: https://www.nynjtc.org/trailcrew/catskills-trail-crew NYNJTC Volunteering: https://www.nynjtc.org/catskills Catskill Center: https://catskillcenter.org/blog/2016/7/13/volunteer-at-the-catskill-center#:~:text=Greet%20and%20educate%20visitors%20at,give%20back%20to%20the%20Catskills. Catskill Mountain Club: https://catskillmountainclub.org/about-us/ Catskill Mountainkeeper: https://www.catskillmountainkeeper.org/volunteer Catskill Adventures T-Shirt: https://catskillsadventures.myspreadshop.com/24+miles+to+paradise-A6269ae7c421fa319fd77bfdb?productType=48&sellable=ornLa0l8MBtBkjjNlyJw-48-9 Brio's: http://brios.net/ Oakleys: https://www.oakleyswoodfirepizzaandgrill.com/ #hikingbarefoot #catskillsalltrailschallenge #catskillshiking #catskillmountains #catskillspodcast #catskills #catskillpark #3500 #3500club #sar #podcast #catskillshiker #volunteers #hikeny #hikenewyork #ilovenewyork #outdooradventures #neverstopexploring #hikingadventures #catskillmountainsnewyork #visitcatskills #explorethecatskills #ilovenewyork #neverstopexploring #catskillmountainsnewyork #catskillspodcast #catskillshiker #catskillshiking #hiking #hikeny #hike #hiker #hikelife #hikemore #insidethelinecatskillspodcast --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/insidethelinesthecatskill/support

Welcome back to the only show on the internet that tells the Truth.  In this episode we dive deep on Rude Canadians, Jared's interesting movers he hired, Oakleys and the crime that took place at Pixar during production of the classic movie UP.  We also revisit our bearded friend from last week who describes another "ritual" and unsurprisingly it has to do with his anus.

Welcome to another week, another daily dose of the best moments in Sales Transformation. Let's kick off the week by introducing our week's guest, Josh Wilson, and learn a little about his own sales journey. Hailing from a background of thrift stores and swap shops, Josh shares his story on his dinosaur sales experience and the value of teaching your kids the art of value exchange early on.Learn more about Josh and his journey here in this latest episode of Sales Transformation.Power up your podcast experience by joining our Free Podcast Community!Are your Reps hitting their quotas this 2022? If not, then a Wingman Free Trial is what you need!HIGHLIGHTSThe Unemployable Josh WilsonBeing a dinosaur in salesHailing from thrift stores and swap shopsTeaching his kids the art of value exchangeQUOTESJosh on humble beginnings: “I got my start in sales by going to garage sales with my Jewish grandmother right in South Florida at the Swap Shop and you know learn how to buy stuff I would buy, you know, fake Oakleys and fake Rolexes and knives and I would sell them in school.”Collin on Gary Vee: “I always love the Gary Vee clips where he's like, still buying stuff at a garage sale is like, dude has no business going to a garage sale but like he just loves the hustle of it.”Josh on teaching his kids: “If I could teach my kids to see a value exchange early on, they're gonna be much better at sales, especially in 10 years where everybody's looking at their devices all day or scrolling on this if they know how to talk to people.”Connect with Josh and learn more about what he's been working on!About JoshAbout PR VenturesPR Ventures WebsiteAbout The Deal ScoutThe Deal Scout WebsitesConnect with Collin and find out what's new in Sales Transformation and other things he's up to:About CollinAbout SalescastSalescast CommunitySales TransformationWanna kick off your own kick-ass podcast?Already have one? How about growing it, or even monetizing it?LET'S TALK.

Dear Teal Swan: You continue to be a mystery wrapped in a riddle wrapped in wrap-around Oakleys. Are you okay? For reals, we're getting some super hinky vibes from all seven layers of your auric field. Dear Everyone Else: In case you haven't watched all four installments of The Deep End, you might want to catch up before you listen to this ALBC conversation with the filmmaking duo behind the series. In this episode, director/cinematographer Jon Kasbe and producer/writer Bits Sola join Sarah and Nippy to share what it was like inside Teal Swan's campy, creepy world. But don't get your plastic Mala beads in a twist, Teal Tribe: ‘campy' and ‘creepy' are our words, not theirs…and those two words are about the nicest things we could think of to say. Also? Sorry, not sorry, Teal…but you just can't deep fake this shit. Hear Ye, Hear Ye:The views and opinions expressed on A Little Bit Culty do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything. Nobody's mad at you, just don't be a culty fuckwad.Support the ALBC Pod:We've made a link where you can support A Little Bit Culty with a one-time, weekly, or monthly contribution. Your support will be repaid in cosmic love and light. To make a contribution, smash this link.Check out our Linktree to sign up for our mailing list. We've got some fun things coming your way soon. It rhymes with “t-shirts.” Okay, it's t-shirts.Producers: Will Retherford & Jess TardyTheme Song: “Cultivated” by Jon Bryant co-written with Nygel Asselin See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Tom Cruise has been running across big screens for over forty years. Now that he's returning to the character that made him a star with Top Gun Maverick, it's finally time to devote an episode of Double Edged Double Bill to him! Adam, Thomas and special guest Matt Curione of the Monsters Never Die podcast are here to talk about Tom Cruise and his star power via two specific films. First, Tom Cruise becomes a deadly silver fox taking Jamie Foxx for a deadly joy ride in Collateral! Then, Tom Cruise puts on his Oakleys and jumps through fire for his second turn as Ethan Hunt in Mission: Impossible II! Together, our trio answers the crucial questions. What is the best Tom Cruise look? How has the Mission: Impossible franchise evolved since the days of Limp Bizkit? Which two films will they choose for next week's episode on the biggest box office bombs? Well, hop on your motorcycle and make sure those homies didn't steal your briefcase so you can listen to find out! Subscribe to our Patreon for $1 a month to get bonus podcasts & polls to choose episode topics and films we cover! patreon.com/dedbpod Follow the show on Twitter @DEDBpod & Facebook as well as Thomas on Twitter! Send feedback to doubleedgeddoublebill@gmail.com! Subscribe and rate us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher & Podbean! Our artwork is provided by the amazing Christian Thor Lally!

Tom Cruise has been running across big screens for over forty years. Now that he's returning to the character that made him a star with Top Gun Maverick, it's finally time to devote an episode of Double Edged Double Bill to him! Adam, Thomas and special guest Matt Curione of the Monsters Never Die podcast are here to talk about Tom Cruise and his star power via two specific films. First, Tom Cruise becomes a deadly silver fox taking Jamie Foxx for a deadly joy ride in Collateral! Then, Tom Cruise puts on his Oakleys and jumps through fire for his second turn as Ethan Hunt in Mission: Impossible II! Together, our trio answers the crucial questions. What is the best Tom Cruise look? How has the Mission: Impossible franchise evolved since the days of Limp Bizkit? Which two films will they choose for next week's episode on the biggest box office bombs? Well, hop on your motorcycle and make sure those homies didn't steal your briefcase so you can listen to find out!   Subscribe to our Patreon for $1 a month to get bonus podcasts & polls to choose episode topics and films we cover! Follow the show on Twitter @DEDBpod & Facebook as well as Thomas on Twitter! Send feedback to doubleedgeddoublebill@gmail.com! Subscribe and rate us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher & Podbean! Our artwork is provided by the amazing Christian Thor Lally!   

It was a TGIF kind of day on the show. Why did Cass get peed on last night, is Anthony a golf expert, and what do white Oakleys say about a guy? We dive into the answers for all of these questions and more. Wait until you hear about the guy who sent his STD tests to a potential employer and the guy fighting for unique headwear in his driver's license photo. Do they eat pasta at the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster or is that sacrilegious? Click play to party See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nocoj malo po polnoči nas bo obiskala pevka in vsestranska glasbenica Anja Hrastovšek. Morda vam celo v ušesih odzvanja njena simpatična skladba Tja bi šla, ki je bila lani ena izmed najbolj predvajanih skladb slovenskih izvajalcev na Prvem! Z Anjo, diplomantko deželnega Konservatorija za glasbo v Celovcu, sicer pa tudi pevko v mednarodno priznani vokalni skupini Jazzva, ustanoviteljico in glavno vokalistko jazz kvarteta The Oakleys ter glasbene zasedbe SOUL, JAZZ in JAZ, pa tudi dirigentko in učiteljico petja, se bom pogovarjala Višnja Fičor. Pridružite se nama pri nočnem klepetu o vokalni glasbi, od jazza do zborovskega petja!

In this episode of The Press Room, I catch up with Ineos Grenadier and Australian Road Race Champion - Luke Plapp. We had a lot to cover since our first episode back in season 1 and so we began with the recent UAE Tour where Plappy was a force in the leadouts and showed his climbing potential finishing in the front group on both mountain stages including 5th on Jabel Hafeet. We also get Plapp's opinion on the World's ITT course, his favourite Oakleys, his coffee obsession and he even shares some inside knowledge into the Australian Junior Worlds team traditions.   The Press Room podcast is presented by Zwift. Get your seven day free trial in the link below and join the The Press Room Pelo X Zwift Club in the game. https://www.zwift.com Timestamps: 18:45 What happened in the UAE ITT  21:25 UAE Mountain finales 27:00 Adam Yates V Pogacar 35:00 2022 Race calendar 39:00 Grand Tour in Luke's first year? 41:30 Wollongong Worlds ITT course 43:30 Question time from the fans 49:45 Coffee 52:15 Junior Worlds blonde hair tradition 57:00 Nimbl cc shoes Follow the pod on Instagram for all the latest updates: @thepressroompodcast  Follow the pod on Twitter: The Press Room Subscribe to The Press Room on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG-Z2ms2SAb6BpsPsLGwDeg If you enjoyed the podcast, please leave a rating or a review on Apple or Spotify podcast players.

CHRISTMAS IS HERE, SANTA IS COMING TONIGHT! Ashley chats about her day and spending time with family, and Oakleys first light show! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

CP gang, this week were rolling out, checking out a few underground media pieces that are packing maximum flavor. First were heading to substack to talk to our old buddy Glenn before turning this roadster north to see what they're cooking up at the NYT. It's sure to be off the chain, so grab your neon reflective Oakleys, frost your tips, and join us this week for Diners, Drive-in oh shoot. I meant carlpooling. I need sleep. Brought to you in part by FNX fitness. Visit their website at: https://carlpooling.com/fnx Use code 'carlpooling' for 15% off at checkout.

This week we have a special guest, Sean, who has been one of our die-hard fans since the dawn of time. This week we discuss... -96ing? -Sammy C.'s tequila "neats" + DELCO beer -WTF is wrong with those vacation Oakleys??? -Just how much we LOVE Liquid IV!!! -Should we find more things to debate about Sheetz and Wawa? -Could there be a Michelin starred Wawa? -Sean writes our "B#llsh!t" song LIVE! -Favorite Thanksgiving foods -Committing to Crocs -Sheetz v Wawa + dogs -We talk about our bras again... Go see Sean's band Night Mission on 12/18/21 @ The Grape Room in Philly!!! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/sheetzvwawathepodcast/message

Today we coverer the Conrail boyz, a crew of amazing contemporary train robbers that hacked the system and cleaned out cargo trains of all their sweet, sweet, late 90s, merch like Tommy Hilifiger threads and probably wrap-around Oakleys and wide legged JNCO jeans. One of the coolest parts...these guys robbed the trains while they were moving. HEEEISST 

Jack Robichaud joins us to talk about the various Burbank AMCs, a harrowing search for brown pants at the Beverly Center, causing trouble as a teen at Rockingham Mall in Salem, NH and of course, his youthful longing for a pair of Oakleys. Plus a listener question about mall bar crawls, which is a really hard phrase to say. JOIN THE MALL TALK PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/malltalkpod/ BUY MALL TALK MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/malltalkpodcast FOLLOW JACK: https://www.instagram.com/jackrobichaud/  https://twitter.com/jackrobichaud  FOLLOW MALL TALK: https://www.instagram.com/malltalkpod  https://twitter.com/malltalkpod 

Welcome to the Thunder Dome, except instead of Mel Gibson fighting a Midget its a chcik with purple hair screaming at a dude with Oakleys.  FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I JUST WANT GOOD HEALTH INSURANCE. 

Power Rankings, Oakleys giveaway, Dr Dre, Acid Spraying Land Lobsters. We're being invaded!

In this one, we discuss Strife's early tour video (VHS!!!), One Truth. In the process, we confront one of the chief podcaster paradoxes: “Can a superfan suspended in reverie take on an analytical posture?“. While Geoff waxes nostalgic, Pete re-evaluates his own tour behavior and Matt says “no more!” to mid 90s Oakleys. It's definitely a weird one, so you probably want to 1) x up, 2) break out the madeleines, and 3) give it a listen. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/docstilldeath/message

Grab your NX-01 baseball caps and Oakleys! We beam in Forrest and Katie to talk about all things Vulcan. Are bowl cuts the most logical hair cut? Does Archer become a discount Sisko? Why do Vulcans all seem to hate each other and just wanna blow everything up? We also give a hypothetical biology lesson...

This episode we explore and discuss an article about a brand new band called Bush. I thought this episode was going to be a conversation about how bands who are influenced by a current, popular movement in music have an unfair disadvantage. And it was. BUT, it was also about why bands in the same movement get to be cool and other don't. Also we talk about Oakleys and 90s fashion.

What's up, gamers?! Welcome back for another episode with your favorite two people who used to date each other! This week we talk about pride month, girls who like guys who like fishing, the demographics of people who catfish on Tinder, babies, friends, Olivia Rodrigo, Bo Burnham's new special, and a bunch of other fun things! Follow us and talk to us! Instagram/Twitter: @myexandipod myexandipod.com | myexandipod@gmail.com

'There are many different species of slo-pitch die hard. The person who must be the volunteer ump, the agressively bright Oakleys guy... but the most common is the Washed Up Baseball Player. Even though they played for Team Sask. growing up, they play division C slo-pitch... because hitting dingers is fun' If you're pumped that slo-pitch is back on May 30th, this is for you! #CruzMornings

In which we discuss vaccine orgies, Skipper's other famous TV role, Prada, Paris, knockoff Oakleys, the Meadowlands, our playgoing experiences (again?), Samantha and her double-J beau, Carrie's unrealistic book advance, Berger's taste in books, Steve & Miranda making cupcakes, the 2003 Final Four, midlife crises, and more!

The revolution is upon us! Grab your AR, your Oakleys and your tactical vests. Trump sent out the signal that it was time to march on congress and let these delusional white voices finally be heard! Follow us on...Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=44683446Twitter: https://twitter.com/SI_podcastsInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/slightly_informed/

Welcome to podcast episode 18 featuring Monica Lewinsky! Lmfao just kidding WE WISH! Join Jessi and Anna as they discuss stoners dating straight edges, being stoned at Olive Garden, and why you should never date a man who wears Oakleys. Shout out to our sponsors Relief Labs and ALTRD.

Hello ModernJeepers welcome to Episode Number 94 of The ModernJeeper Show… the show about Jeeps, Jeeping and Jeepers.Corey, Jessy and Matson are joined this week by special guest Baby Yoda as they talk all things sunglasses, custom blankets, building Jeeps, Disney plus problems, pirating laser discs, documenting every TV show ever, what to do with thousands of recorded videos, what happens when we lose the cloud, 8-track player in Corey’s Gran Torino, putting the Gladiator on 20’s, turning a TJ into a cart racer, installing PSC on Rockstar, new adventures in Moab, looking for the desert obelisk, working Auto-magically, hatchet hurling, Adventure Rack Systems new JL rack, the Walton’s shoe fund, and how you can submit your Christmas wish list to the ModernJeeper Santa for consideration.As a note… there may be times in the audio recording where you are wondering “what the F are they talking about?” - well, all of it can be seen in it’s full glory [where it might just make more sense] at YouTube.com/modernjeeperAs always, ModernJeeper is extremely grateful to our supporters including Warn Winches, Raceline Wheels, Bestop, Milestar Tires, Rugged Radios, Adventure Rack Systems, and, of course, Metalcloak.So, sit back, relax with a cold one, and enjoy Episode number 94 of The ModernJeeper Show…

We joined 9 year MLB catcher Bobby Estalella recently on the show and had a blast hearing his thoughts on the game today. For anyone that knew him or saw him play, you'd recall he was build like a truck. So when we talked collisions at the plate you won't be surprised to hear he welcomed contact. He did go into detail on how he received the ball and what he did to stay relaxed as well on who he imitated as a catcher growing up. Always cool when you meet and eventually play with your childhood idol. Anyways, lot of solid info for everyone on this episode so let's cut off our sleeves, throw on our Oakleys, and join Este on the mound for the 4th Inning.

Dust off your Oakleys folks, cause this week the boys enter the woods to forage up a tale of unlikely friends, children's game witchcraft, and sitcom-syndicated bloodshed as they guesstimate and later review 1994's Ice-T vehicle Surviving the Game. Smell that? It's T-Time. -Reviews- Chris- 19/100 Keian- 2.3/10 -Recommendations- Chris- A Taxi Driver (2017) Keian- Into The Spiderverse (2018)

Splinter Cell on Netflix? Digital fans at MLB games? Army recruiter lies? Listener questions? All this and more in this week’s episode of Chris to Chris. Join us!

Last time we were in recession was in 1991, so we're casting our minds back. Kate said she was wearing Oakleys, cargo pants, boots and a Kuta Lines hoodie. She claims she was stylish. We say she looks like a criminal... https://twitter.com/RossAndJohn/status/1268299366025924608

V prvo vrsto modrega radijskega studia 26 je prišla mlada, a izkušena glasbena skupina The Oakleys. Običajni zasedbi, v kateri so trije instrumentalisti: bobnar Žiga Smrdel, kontrabasist Peter Smrdel in pianist Nejc Škofic ter odlična jazzovska pevka Anja Hrastovšek, se je pridružila še spremljevalna vokalistka Maša But. Poleg slovenskih avtorskih zvenov in besed smo prepoznali tudi nekaj tujih zvokov.

Oddaja Prva vrsta se po dveh epizodah premora vrača, zdaj v nekoliko drugačni obliki, ki je v skladu z vsemi priporočili in danimi varnostnimi ukrepi. Tako glasba ne bo zazvenela živo iz studia 13, temveč iz domače karantene. Zasedba The Oakleys je prav v ta namen doma posnela skladbo Get out of Town. Zasedbo The Oakleys sestavljajo štirje odlični glasbeniki: pevka Anja Hrastovšek, bobnar Žiga Smrdel, basist Peter Smrdel ter pianist Nejc Škofic.

Colbi Maxwell @colbicat shares her Cannabis and Fitness Journey, from her favorite way to smoke to the current Cannabis laws in Iowa and legal Cannabis in California. Light one up and chill for another episode of the True Buds Show! Follow Colbi @colbicat @baked_betty Follow True Buds https://truebudstv.com/podcast @truebudstv https://www.youtube.com/c/TrueBuds Thanks to the Sponsor https://www.thirdwheelpodcaststudio.com/ True Buds Show Notes: Colbi Maxwell likes to smoke alot of Sativa before the gym, she loves Dabs and she is also the Blunt Queen. Original swisher sweets are her favorite blunt wrap. Weed helps Colbi focus and feel comfortable in the gym . Weed helps her workout twice as hard. Colbi is a Bodybuilding Pro, Cannabutter and oil are an awesome treat when your on a diet. Jack makes coconut oil Granola bar, infused coconut oil is very versatile. Colbi enjoys making her own edibles and likes using Sativa in her edibles, she infused her entire thanksgiving dinner. Colbi like using shatter or crumble the most for her edibles. The Jetty Dablicator is a cool product, Jack needs to make RSO oil. Crockpot gives you a potent edible batch. Colbi likes to go to dispensaries all around, she looks for shatter for a good price, connected crumble biscotti is her favorite. The Terp market is like a flea market for weed, cheap flower and dabs too. Homeless life is crazy LA. Colbi's Baked Betty page she started in Iowa, she got fired from her job for smoking a Blunt but she got re hired. Colbi wanted a profile where she could create content that's about smoking and Dabbing! If Martha Stewart and Snoop Dogg had a Love child it would be Colbi. Does Martha Stewart smoke weed, Snoop Dogg hustles hard. Being versatile as a model is awesome, she books alot of work from people contacting her. Iowa's Governor Kim Reynolds will not legalize cannabis at all, she has vetoed bills, they arrested a soccer mom selling CBD. Iowa is very anit-weed, it is so stigmatized an illegal. Colbi is very passionated about cannabis and it has helped her since she started using it. The just legalized in Illinois right next door, it is a mid west cash crop. Hemp and Cannabis can be used for so many different things. Jersey Sweet corn is the best. Kushy Punch Busted set an example for alot of other companies, Kushy Punch was the number one edible company. Compliance is very interesting when it comes to weed. Colbi misses the weed man the most. The Weed Man is a new weed store, where you chill with the Weed Man. Smoking is very social Colbi and she can get sick of smoking with herself. Half eights are stupid just get a Gram. Old Pal is decent but it is a good price point for the buck. Puffco is awesome and solid product. When you have a certain piece of glass you become connected with it. When you go into a dispensary and all the products look old and cheap. Jack loves Canal street in New York, he loves the Hustle and getting fake Oakleys and Raybans. Jack and Colbi don't like spliffs. Budtending is hard because old school stoners are looking for old strains or a product they set their mind to. Older smokers get frustrated and flustered when bud-tending, alot of stores cater to more exotic strains. You get the old school smokers who want an Haze, how can you be mean to a Bud-tender. Be yourself because their is room for everyone, we're all different and we can all grow and work together. Put yourself out there and take the risk. You don' to live with regret, if you don't do it you never know. You learn more from your failures than your wins. Thanks for chillen for Colbi Maxwell(ColbiCat)Cannabis Fitness, Dabs, Blunts, Edibles, Cannabis Stigma, Legal Weed

The Oakleys check in from their new house. And a housecrasher named Madison is there as well. 

Hunters HD Gold is the Official Eye Wear of USPSA and Steel Challenge anecdotally I have seen their eyewear showing up all over competition shooting starting with where I first saw them at the PCC and Rimfire Championships. If you are aware of Hunters HD Gold odds are you have met my guest Brian Conley. Speaker 1: [inaudible].  Speaker 2: Hey everybody, and welcome back to the Cindy cast on this episode we've got Brian Connolly from hunter's HD gold. They're the official eyewear of USPSA and still challenged. And anecdotally I've been seeing their eyewear showing up all over competition shooting, starting with where I saw them first at the piece of seat and rimfire championships. If you're aware of hunter's HC gold, odds are you've met Brian.  Speaker 3: He's joining us now. How are you doing Brian? Hey, what's going on? Gosh, it's been a, it's been too long since we've been in the dirt together. It's been over a year at this point. It has and I'm have not been back to, um, where we met and um, it, Lucas all arranged so far yet this year. That was a pretty long ago. Yeah. I mean, just to be straight, I don't think anybody has, I mean, I went there twice last year, so I'm not missing, I logged 21 days in that house last year. Well, I never got the pleasure of I'm staying in the house. I had to drive to Warsaw every day, so I got it. Yeah, it's um,  Speaker 4: I, oh, sorry. I got my dog, Lucy here. Who is going to come here? Cool. Get in there. You're going to take a little break. Come on. Oh, you're all over my stuff and we're going to have to drop an edit in here. You're working loose Kendall up. There you go. All. Alright. She is a  Speaker 3: business associate and my secret lover, but um, she's a pain in the ass sometimes. All right, so here we go. So yeah, you know, Lucas, um, it's an interesting thing. They, um, you know, I was involved. So last year I was involved with um, strategic mash design and a couple of other companies that were doing major events and um, I got into it on the, well they wanted me to do media, which translated to, would you also do our prize tables? Wow. Yeah. So I did six last year and um, and then, you know, and it was, I learned a ton. It was totally worth the, the mental exercise. And at the same time, I don't think you'll see me doing that again. I can understand that. I actually had to, um, had the joy of walking a prize table for somebody this year when they weren't gonna be able to walk it.  Speaker 3: And I decided that was the first and last time I want to do that as well. So yeah, I definitely have my, I want to talk about prices with you a little bit cause you guys have been really gracious, but you also have kind of a spin on that that I really like. Um, so then we can talk about a little bit later in the cast as we get deeper into, um, hunter's ht gold specifically. But tell me before we do that a little bit about you, like you started out in insurance, is that what I've, I'm gathering, I've been in retail management since I was, um, 21. Okay. And I, I'm 48 now. Got It. I used to tell everybody I sold everything buddy insurance back. And then I had a friend of mine who was, um, owned an insurance company and he says, Hey, well go get your, go get your license and everything and this and this. He had a  Speaker 5: practice. He was starting up an insurance. I was like, well sure, why not? So 50 exams to the hardest test. I still keep those. I'm insurance licensed current today. He'd taking the ced seat CD be correct. Can't talk, taking the credits every two years to keep my license current in the state of Alabama. So I've got a backup plan. If I ever got to go back and sell insurance, I'm not going to lose my license cause I think now they're requiring a lot more to get your license and insurance, everything else. So every couple of years I walked back into a classroom and take eight hours of credits and um, fulfill those. But based on how everything is going now, I don't really think I'm gonna have to go back down that path. And You Thompson know you guys are having a great run and uh, well so tell me like how do you go from now you, you were born and raised in Alabama, right?  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was born in Tuscaloosa and in 92, um, moved up in Birmingham. I had been in Birmingham area every since. And, um, you know, I got, you know, like I said, I went to school and, um, at the university and, um, when in criminal justice and had a path set there for me but never really finished. Once I get into retail sales, um, got a call from the local police department that I was gonna go work for. And um, they tell me my starting salary, I think back there was going to be 16, five, and at that time in retail management as a young manager at 21 years old, I'd made I think 30 something thousand dollars. So I might've, I made a commitment in our decision and saying, well, I'm not gonna, um, turn around and look back. I can make this much more money and not get shot at.  Speaker 5: And, um, then that's kind of the path that shows every since I got that. And I would, I would imagine there's more than one human being that made that calculation in their lifetime between laundry is one of those things that, um, I've never been in a situation where I haven't had gainful employment based on being in that kind of environment. Had to change jobs a lot because in retail management, the way you may got a pay raise was getting recruited by somebody else certain or changing in a career path to sell something different. So, um, lots of, um, lots of training through that, through the years being able to go from different positions. I've managed and sold everything from, um, let me see, you know, video contents backward guy started in 92 selling big springs and camcorders and after five years that company closed up, they wrote about Tandy Corporation went to go manage your radio check and then I didn't like selling the parts that made the big screens when I was selling the big screen.  Speaker 5: So I got out of that and went to another type of sales. But I've managed everything from targets to the best buys to being in the wireless industry for multiple years. And then, um, then I was in of course like we just talked about selling them insurance with a, um, insurance agency. And then, um, my current wife's ex husband at the time, you know, called me about wanting to do their marketing and, um, stuff for the lab that I worked for now. Yeah. And, um, that was kind of an interesting blend, but we had a great working relationship and, um, started doing marketing in the lab business. So I went from the selling retail to, I'm talking directly to ophthalmologist, not Tom Matricis about how to, um, improve their sales in their field and quote unquote selling the accessories that were up. Because in the optical world, the essential, these are, you know, ars photochromics colors, tans, anything, you know, something besides just the normal thing that insurance is going to cover.  Speaker 5: And I did that for four years and then, um, got involved with, um, I'm all over the place. But then I got involved with, um, two other friends that were, one was a Napkin kinda strain. One was an older gentleman that I've known forever or 15 years now that was in the wireless industry. And we went together and bought some hunting property. And that was in back in, um, 2013. Um, place called triple forks hunting. We do executive hunts and stuff like that. So I had all these tools at the lab and I wanted to make myself a hunting lands and I wanted to, you know, something to enhance my hunting, you know, for what I was doing. Cause I had, um, prescription outwear and I kinda had all the, all the fun toys to play with at the lab to design something. And that's Kinda, you know, the beginnings of where I've got, you know, where I am now.  Speaker 5: So it really cool. So that's optical prescription lab, which is the, the lab, correct? That's correct. And incorrect. Triple fork hunting LLC was something you created in 2013 it looks like. Yup. Yup. That's correct. And that's where we basically, we didn't just want anybody with a hunting license and you know, a gun to come hunt. We wanted to open it up to corporations or a place for them to bring their employees and um, and really have a place to, you know, bond and um, team build based on the, you know, you know, to build the relationships with either their clients or their employees and works extremely well. And one of my business partners is still running that more. I'm not running it as much based on where hundreds HD go does that now. So I'm lane is really stepped up and made a difference for that, keeping it going on the side.  Speaker 5: So cool. I'm always curious about something. So you're, you're, I mean at this point, whether you intended to or not, you're heavily involved in the firearms industry. Um, and so, well you're not selling guns. You're definitely directly marketing to that group with both the hunting and the, the, the hunters HD gold. So did you grow up with guns? Did you, how'd you fall out? This is, my dad had guns and um, we always use, I mean, we used to only brought them out. Usually when we traveled, it was kind of the time he put the gun in the, you know, in the trunk. And we traveled to Texas to see his family and my mom's family in Fort Worth, you know, Dallas area. And that's how I remember about growing up with the guns that don't really have the history of out shooting guns myself. I just remember my dad would always take guns out there and trade with some relatives and stuff like that. Um, October of 2011, my, um, father passed away and we stayed with him the last two years of his life. I'm helping him. He died of, um, cancer and he was in a situation where, um,  Speaker 1: yeah,  Speaker 5: that's where I inherited, you know, seven guns that he wanted me to have guns. You know, why? Um, grandfather was the mayor of, um, Bessemer, Alabama for 18 years. So he had these guns that bought a shot, guns and um, all these 11 Remington, 11 hundreds that were, um, back from the fifties and sixties. And how all these pictures with, um, local, um, celebrities, we'll call it the, um, bear Bryant's and stuff like that of shooting these guns and out shooting together and doing a bunch of 'em dog hunting and stuff. So there's a lot of history with these guns that I inherited. And that's Kinda what got everything started. Cause every time I look at sharing, we're talking or something, I always like, you know, you realize your fathers, you know, started this back in 2011, just had no idea where I was going to go. Yes.  Speaker 5: So that kind of got me involved in, you know, collecting guns and um, and getting started there in 2011. And that's what caused me that, you know, back here in the, um, previous presidency where I was wanting to say anyway, he bought some property and, you know, I have a place to shoot this and train and you know, hot and, you know, and everything else that was being, you know, jeopardize back in the, um, the 2000, you know, late 2000. Yup. Years of that. And, um, that's kind of where everything got started. And then when I actually had a gentleman, when we were building the lake at, um, triple forks hunting and, um, had a gentleman, Marketo bulldozer, it, it was moving dirt for the lake and he comes up to me and goes, hey, I need you to get me some more of this wasp spray.  Speaker 5: Um, that looks like it's in Pelham, Alabama. And I was like going, Huh, it's in my backyard. Sure. I go and look into it. Yeah. And, um, so I took this can, it was, um, kind of rainbow wasp spray. So I took it to the building and um, had to be buzzed in. They weren't open to the public and I was like, I walked to the door and I was like, Hey, I want to buy this wash spray. And I'm like, well, we really don't sell to the public, but hold on one second. And they went back in the back and then gentleman came out and he was like, where'd you hear about this? And I want it just to go on a bulldozer and I'm no, Port Alabama handed it to me and said, you know, come get some. He goes, well, we really don't.  Speaker 5: Some of the public, you know, but, but however, you know, here's the icing on the land of Basaam and you know, so forth and I'll let my business card with you before it's hunting. And he gave me his, um, and um, I went off on my merry way and went online and ordered some. And um, then about, yes, about a week later, if not yet, not that long. Um, the one of the owners of Rainbow Technologies, Larry Joe steely junior called me up and says, you know, hey, I see that you have a hunting camp and, um, so forth and tell me about that. When did that process, and he actually booked a hunt with his brother and one of his employees to come out there during hunting season. And then, um, we become a cane. You know, Franz went after, did the hunt together in the early fall, late fall season when the hunting season was starting.  Speaker 5: And, um, he saw the lenses there that I had used. I'd made up some just some demo stuff there as you want to use tested with, um, you know, people that were coming to hunt. I'd already was testing the lens with some game wardens, stuff like that. You know, just trying to get their feedback and stuff cause I was made a lens that, you know, allowed me to see a lot earlier in the mornings to hunt and in the state of Alabama hunting hours of defined 30 minutes before sunrise and 30 minutes after sunset. These were actually bringing in enough light to be able to hunt during those hours when it's pretty dark. So having the hunting property, I'd already made friends with a bunch of the game wardens cause I wanted them to be, you know, the places, two hours from where I live. So I always wanted them around the property to be able to keep watching what was going on and gave them full rights to come out there anytime they wanted to.  Speaker 5: They saw some suspicious, you know, come hang out at the place and you know, using this, it's kind of your home base. So that met Larry and Larry come out there and did a hunt and he got me involved in them. He goes, you ever do any competitive shooting or anything? And I was like, no. And um, he was doing cowboy action shooting and not a time slap, you know, single action shooting to Saudi SAS. And he got me involved in that and I was pretty intrigued cause I always, you know, like I said, I was collecting guns that look like this was going to give me another reason to, um, to buy some more guns, which I was all about. So got my cowboy outfits together and um, we got me at, um, an 1873 navy arms of Winchester that had been ridden and um, couple of Ruger voke heroes that we'd set off to have tripped out.  Speaker 5: Um, stoker double barrel shotgun and I wish you can. Cowboy action shooting was a blast. And I've had these lenses I've made there and I'm using them. And couple of locals there were like, what are you wearing? It's awesome. And made Larry Joe some of course, and he was all about it. And Larry Joe steely, if you don't recognize that name, he's the gentleman that now alone still target paint. Oh Man. That's the correlation there. This is before still target pink was even created. Yes. So if this time, you know, he was telling me, you know, I'm thinking about making a paint for the steel targets, he saw a need there. And um, the locals were all kind of intrigued about what I'd done with these. Lindsay goes, I really think you got something here. You gotta to see what you can do with it. And I started getting more intrigued cause I was already, I was kind of, you know, thought about going down the hunting road and I was doing a couple of, I didn't do any shows.  Speaker 5: I was visiting a couple of 'em, you know, directs expos and stuff like that. Just trying to see what was going on and made it a couple of visits to shot show with, um, some of my friends that start arms, they're hearing best from Alabama, about 20 minutes away and became good friends with them. So I was, you know, intrigued in what was really happening around the lands and what kind of feedback I was going to get. So I went to shot show a couple of years before it was, um, anything just to see if anybody was offering something I'd already created in the lab and make sure I wasn't walking into something that was already there. So why create something that somebody else is already putting out there? And there's already a market that's already been exposed to it.  Speaker 5: Um, come to find out there was nobody that was putting a traffic's lands together with a photochromatic combination. And, um, so I was even more intrigued to see where this would really go. And then I guess about a year later, Larry Joe Staley Jr was running, you know, had his thing going with still target paint. And he had called me up and says, I think I found a way pressed again and the competitive shooting, I was like, what do you mean? You know, everybody, you know, Sass already knows about it locally. You talked about something that goes, no, no, I think it's something bigger. Even with this thing called steel challenge. He goes, he had met a, he had met a competitive shooter named Steve Foster out of Georgia and was thinking about putting a team together. And um,  Speaker 1: okay,  Speaker 5: he asked me if I wanted to, um, sponsor the team. I was like, well sure, what does that, what do you want? What do you want to do? He goes, well, I'm just very, we put them all in hunters, HD gold. Well I'll put a Jersey together and we'll get your, you know, logo on the Jersey. And I said, sure, why not? Sounds great. And um, that's Kinda how I got involved with, um, steel challenge. Really cool. Wow. Oh my goodness. An interesting, you know, why do you get into it? Cause I had no idea what I was doing and I was, you know, I knew what I was doing on the land side, but I had no idea what the, um, competitive shooters of steel challenged was. I knew about Calloway shooting cause I've been doing that for about, you know, six or eight months, you know, once or twice a weekend.  Speaker 5: And I had a lot of fun with that. I didn't really think it was going to go much farther. And I was focused on the hunting side. So we were already testing a lot of products at triple forks hunting. I was obtained up with, um, Pradco, they're here in Birmingham as well and they all, they all Moultrie summit on tree stands Code Blue Night and hell game calls a lot of other brands. Yeah, I had come pretty close with veil and still close with them. Today. I'm testing their products out in the field and I'm had a lot of those guys, you know, helping me. Um, did some testing with hunters HD going and having some other avenues with on the hunting side. You know, with, I'm trying to get a hundred HD go to see what kind of um,  Speaker 5: way I could break into the industry. You kind of see what that looks like with my, with my lenses, but I'm meeting, I'm stay, you foster kinda change that entire direction. I kind of told the hunters I'll be back with you later. This is something that's really happening now. And Steve Foster had actually told me that um, he was always finished in second and third and once he got a hold of the 160 go and he was actually finishing first, that's the only thing he changed. Found that kind of, you know, intriguing because I didn't realize, you know what, I was really opening up to the competitive shooters to find them a shooting at vantage. I knew we had one in cowboy action shooting, but the targets are a lot closer and there's not much distance involved. It was just about more of transitioning and being able to work a leap or action and reloading your shotgun fast regardless,  Speaker 3: regardless of the platform, regardless of the game. I think Jerry Mitchell, he says it best is like you can see it fast, you can shoot it fast.  Speaker 5: Yup. And that's what [inaudible] when we were thinking about slogans, we were going through that, my wife and um, we were going back and forth cause one of the things she said is you can only shoot as fast as you can. See that's what it is. That's what it is. She always wants to put something together with the lenses being able to change in the eye. And she actually came up with a slogan as well. They changed so you don't have to. So that was kind of, you know, that kind of told a story about you know, the land without, you know, getting too much into it just because I have a lot of people would still walk up to the tent today when I traveled and I go, what is this? They changed it. I'll have to, and it just opens up the story. So it's working real well.  Speaker 3: That's really good. Well, okay, this is like, you just opened up like a bout a thousand conversations. Okay, good. So first thing I want to say is, is I've been, I've been in the firearms industry now for Ah, well, let's see. I've been really engaged as a consumer for about seven or eight years now and I've been engaged as a service provider for let's say five or six of those years. And I can't tell you how many people stumble into their careers. Like I just was looking for something for myself that worked better. Alex gun works. Great example. That guy just wanted a gun that worked better for himself, made a gun work great, kept making him. Um, you know, I'm here, I hear this over and over and it's really interesting to me how few people in the modern games are, um, on the gaming side of things.  Speaker 3: Uh, started with hunting and started a lot. I mean like, you know, you and I both grew up, like I didn't grow up around guns and sound like you, you know, you had him in the House, dad had him, but no, it wasn't like you grew up shooting every weekend or he lived on the farm shooting all the time. Um, and just how many people have like really who have really advanced the sports significantly come from like a whole different world of um, you know, uh, firearms used to saw post 18, you know, um, it's fascinating. But let's do this. I um, so when you were starting to develop this lens, so let's just explain this to those who you know, I'll give the simpleton. So for those of you who aren't watching this on video or you've never seen 180 gold lens is a essentially a very bright yellow lens, not unlike what you've seen in inexpensive, um, lenses.  Speaker 3: Like, if you just saw somebody walking by, you know, you find that like you buy the three pack, there's the smoke, there's the red and there's the yellow and you throw away the yellow and you take the smoke and the red with you out to the right, you know? Um, and so it looked kind of like that, but then you put them on and instead of it just liking everything, like super vivid and uncomfortable. Cause when I wear yellow lenses, I'm just like, I mean it's just like I'm being assaulted by light. I don't like it. You put these on and it takes a second. Especially if you haven't worn them before and then you sort of like, I don't know, you're like relax into this. Just sort of flow a light into your eyes all day. And what you don't notice is they're photochromatic so they're adjusting and the amount of light they're letting in based on the conditions outside, which is something like, you know, if he told me his photochromatic I immediately would be thinking of my brother's like 1978, you know, a glasses that he wore that were just not cool by even 1978 standards does that.  Speaker 3: But as a shooter, as a competitor outside all day long and all kinds of different light, you know, light's always changing and you're either switching lenses all day long or your, you know, you could wear these and they give you that all day sense. And I, I use them all the time. Um, I have them, I mix them with a couple of other things and I want to talk about that with you in a second. Cause I've recently gotten into this tactical games thing and um, I think I need a specific set of la or like frame for that. I got it. I'll talk to you about that, maybe offline, but like, um, cause I've got, I w you know, you made me, you gave me a set of the archers right away, the day that we were out there and um, at, I think that was PCC championships, there's a PCC roll championship.  Speaker 3: Give you a pair of orange shoes to wear around. I wore, Oh man, I wore them all. I wore them for the two days of the event. And see for me the biggest issue I have is I'm always transitioning back and forth between shooting the guns and dealing with cameras and electronics when all that kind of stuff. So like I'm changing things now. My eyes have gotten a little a showing off my, you know, readers right now, but my eyes in the last couple of years have significantly, um, diminished and quality. But I'm, I'm always switching back and forth between glasses, between what I'm shooting with when I'm working with, you know, polarized glasses, make my screen look like crap. Um, you know, there's a lot, whatever you go back and forth. So like I where it's just become kind of a thing for me. I've always got three or four pairs when I'm going to shoot and do cameras.  Speaker 3: I always just wear the eight hundreds HD gold now cause they just worked perfectly for both. Um, and the only negative is occasionally I've got to flip them up so that I can like make sure my color balance is correct before I start filming something. I have on a couple of occasions gotten an under saturated shot cause my lenses were exaggerating the Co, you know, so much the color richness. So, um, and I just, so I use them all the time and you've got a couple of friends here up in town now. Like A, Dustin Sanchez is one who is wearing your lens now and um, and they're released. We made him a pair of custom pair as well. Yeah, I know. I know we're all were us three gunners or a bunch of premadonnas or like I can't possibly wear  Speaker 5: in shooting sports offhand. That I think I learned that the hard way at the PC works with PCC world championship and everybody goes, Oh, all righty.  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well look, I mean, and I, you and I had a pretty cool interview. If you go to the huck origins youtube channel, there's an interview of the two of us that I did, um, at the PCC champion. No rimfire we met at PCC, but we did that when it rimfire and I'd had some experience then with your lens and that's when you made me the ones in the Oakleys. I was like, I love these lenses. I don't like the frames. Okay. Whatever. So, and we've had this conversation, we don't need to rehash this, but um, so you made me a set of Oakleys I took a set up. Yeah. I think I took a set out of my car and sent him with you. And you made a set of Oakleys for me with these lenses. And those were the ones that were, I mean, I literally wear 'em all the time.  Speaker 3: That where I'm driving around I where I'm there, they're kind of my constant rotation. If I'm wearing black boots, I'm wearing my hunters h g gold for wearing brown boots. I'm probably still wearing my Oakleys, but you know, so, um, so that's Kinda like I'm a pretty simple guy. It's like my glasses go with my boots. Um, but, um, and then I wear them, you know, all summer. I am also setting up matches I'm doing. And then I shoot the match and they work all day for all of that. And we run right up until nine o'clock here in Minnesota, which this time of year we're getting to the point where it's almost dark and I'm not switching to clears, which is just huge. Um, I can't, I wouldn't tell you if there's an advantage per se, um, in my shooting, but I'm not at the level where like any, especially any more where like you, I would notice such a subtle difference.  Speaker 3: Right. You know, not, not a hundred thought at first place, you know. Um, and so, but I will say that just from a personal comfort level, they're fantastic. And then I wear 'em all the way home in the car because I have like a blue light thing. It's like I tried to get my s I'm really conscious of my sleep and um, and they block some of the blue light from my car all the way home, but I could still see and drive and they blocked glare. So they just kind of cover me from the moment I leave the house till the moment I come home and I never, the glass is just managing that. So that's kind of like the layman's term of what they're doing. But I'm curious from your standpoint, like what was the design philosophy like? I mean, I know you tried a bunch of different things, but what did you finally end up with? Well, there was a lens that came out  Speaker 5: how many years ago? Back in the light, I guess early two thousands and then went through the probably 2010 or left. And that was a, um, company that had put out a actual actual shooting and hunting lands that had been discontinued. And that gave me an idea where to start at, because when I was talking to my wife about what I wanted to do, she goes, I think there's already something like this out there. I said, well, why is it not being, you know, talked about? And she was like, well, doctors don't, the aren't talking about it because they aren't asking their patients lifestyle questions. They're just trying to get through as a general thing. They're just trying to get through and do the eye exams and try to control what insurance is going to pay him. But they're not selling multiple pairs of glasses. Right. And that's something we deal with every day still today in the optical industry.  Speaker 5: You know, trying to get doctors to talk about more lapdog questions. Because when you get into people's, you know, what they do besides, you know, just going to work every day, you know, they need glasses for different things that they do. And if you're on a computer all day, there's a computer lands. If you're playing golf, there's a golfing lens. If you need no shooting and hunting, we now know there's a hunting lands. If you are driving, there's a driving lens that helps out for different things. And I'm fishing of course you need Polaroid polarized lenses and fishing and you need prescription polarized lenses and you know, you can find that by actually talking to people. And that's what I kind of brought to the optimum industry with all my years of experience in retail was qualifying a customer to really, you know, talk to them and find out what other needs they may have than just needing quote unquote glasses.  Speaker 5: And that's what gave me the idea of running into so many different things, whether it be with a hunting lands, because you know there's a lake, I don't know how much you want to remember. I'd probably do somewhere, but going through all the R and d of the one away lenses that this thing I'll work cause I know work. Yes, I like this, but no I don't like this. And then, you know, we, we threw away a lot trying to find the right combination of what we wanted to do and, or what we wanted to accomplish and what we wanted to accomplish was, um, one, we knew that the base of being tribex was superior to plastic or polycarbonate hands down because tribex by itself is lighter and stronger than plastic or polycarbonate, and also allows 43% more light to pass through the lens than polycarbon now.  Speaker 5: Okay. Wow. We knew the only other optics that are better than tribex is glass. And we didn't want to have glass anywhere around any including my own, anywhere near around our eyes as something catastrophic happen because glass, you know, shards and just is a disaster for your eyes. Yeah. That's not that dog will hunt. But believe it or not, I still see people wearing Kostas every day when they go shooting. And that's just, you know, I like coach. I, there's that role with that coach is a great brand. So [inaudible] jams. There's a lot of great brands out there in the [inaudible] industry, but those are fishing glasses. And that's how they marketed. But people still use them today because they want the, you know, the big C on there, you know, they're on their truck when they go hunting. That's just part of it. Totally. But if you stand around any three gun match, you rimfire match anything where the steels be in shot, you're going to eventually end up a wipe and blood off your face from a frat.  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. And when I went to my, when I went to Sherri and I said, this is where I'm wanting to go with this, I really think I've got something. And um, she goes, well, where the hell is our liability? I'm not taking a company. We started back in 1977 and gets screwed up or something. We just coming up with and I was like, oh, well that makes sense. I said, hell no, I'll get back with you. So about two days later, I got back with it. I said, I figured it out. We're gonna do everything. And um, OSHA safety frames and all the lenses. We're going to do an ansi standard 2015 cause most of the cyclins that are out there, only 2000, three, 2010 and we're going to take it all we 2015 and she says, well get me the OSHA certificate and you can go from there.  Speaker 5: And um, about six months later I got everything approved going through a lot, some more trials and this working and not working and paying a lot of money to have a bunch of lenses come back to me and didn't pass and trying to figure out why and put other coatings together and other solutions together to finally get the certificate. And um, we move forward at that point. And that's what informed the original selection of frames. Correct. Is the ocean rating. That's, you know, that's why we have the frames we have, cause they're all Ziad, seven plus one and z 87 plus two for prescriptions. And that's the difference than our frames are. And you should have saw the frames that were out when we first got started. We'd come along on frames because you know, there's no such thing as a sexy safety frame. And now wife to this day still hates these frames as a huddle.  Speaker 5: And the new velocity that we just came out with was another frame style that finally came out that we worked with the manufacturer to get some that were listening to us to try to get some things like we want. And that's kind of where we're at now. And I've got some, still have some frame manufacturers I'm working with up in New York area that are, you know, tried to design more and more stuff. That is, I'm quote unquote getting more of a more photo friendly. Here's your commitment. Those to stay OSHA approved with all of your frames. It is okay. And the reason being is is it's about safety. We're talking about safety, we're talking about protecting the only two eyes you're gonna have period. And you know, do we have some stuff out there? What? You've got one that's not us framing. We have the conversation, it's got the same properties, it's got the same thickness, it's got the same everything. But you've got to remember, I can't put an anti rated frame and a non safety frame. So conversation I have with you, you got the same thing. It just doesn't have the Ansi markings. Correct. It won't, you know, based on what OSHA has put in front of us, it will not, you know, provide the same protection. But conversation is, is this the same thickness as the same everything you know, it should, you know, just don't have the same, you know, Angie ratings on, yeah.  Speaker 3: So does that, does that make it impossible to have a, a lens that has no w you know, sorry I say this better. Does that make it impossible to create an OSHA rated lens that doesn't have any frame around like the bottom half for example?  Speaker 5: Not at all. There's one thing about it, there's not an interchangeable lands out there that is OSHA approved. I got now. Now that was saying that we are working on some things now on a model that's going to roll out if everything still goes as planned in January of 2020 yeah. So we have been, we've got some things in testing. We're still waiting to get some stuff back from, um, the writings. But there is that OSHA approved, you know, rimless frame that we are working on. That's going to be a game changer for almost to get into the shotgun world more. And also to get in a situation where we can deliver what you and all the other shooters you're telling me, you know, hey, what can we do to get nothing at the bottom? What can we do to get nothing, you know, there, so we're working on that.  Speaker 5: Um, that's gonna be a whole different, um, level of taking it to the next level for hunters HD because one of those things that's going to be, you know, we've still got to worry about the, um, the safety, but we're trying to listen very diligently to every, you know, shooter we can to get the feedback. Cause when I do demo days, I do it for two reasons. One is to go out there and use the Lens, you know, I know what they're going to like about it, but I want to, I want to hear more from the shooters that don't like it. Yes. Can I tell them that? Because if this is where I can take the brand in the future, does it mean it's going to happen tomorrow? No, but if I get enough feedback on a certain area, just like we were talking about now with rem lists, then guess what?  Speaker 5: The future is bright. We're going to have a rimless site, the frame going as planned. And when you talk about that then you're talking about different shapes and different things best. Let's make clear, it's not going to be just a one piece frame. We've talked about one piece lands, we talked about that before, that that's an injected molding process and it's all, you know, call the carpet. There's a lot of things there that, you know, we're limited to the blanks of the, of the, of the lands itself at 80 millimeters. You know, it's gonna have to still be two separate lenses, but it's going to be something that is going to be, you know, lighter and uh, keep the same strength as well.  Speaker 3: Well let me, let me dig into this a little bit cause this is like really interesting to me personally. And I, you know, and I don't know if others will enjoy it. And that's not really why I do this. Um, so, so really cool. So like I would say, you know, arguably, well first of all, there's, there's a lot of great conversations and I want to exclude a handful of things to begin with to make life really easy and fair for us to have a conversation. So, um, I let me say this anecdotally, I am standing at Ahrens and arms, which is an awesome gun shop here in town. We sell lots of high end equipment, lots of high end guns. If you want three gun gear, you're probably coming or USPSA gear, you're probably coming to us, right? And they'll, um, I can't tell you how many people are like, like, I mean, just like, uh, obsessing about the details between two or three, $2,000 optics for their rifle.  Speaker 3: And then they tell me that and I asked them what shooting glasses they're wearing and they're spending about $45 over the counter. And I'm like, ew, this doesn't matter. Get the cheapest thing possible. Cause you know, if you're not gonna look through a good lens. So we can, we're excluding everything in the, in the lower cost categories for the most part in this conversation. Right. And I say that because, you know, this is one thing about a hundred days she called. This is not an inexpensive lens, right? That's correct. Yeah. And so this is somebody who's looking for a very high end, very tailored lens specifically for what they're up to. Now you go into rim fire or steel challenge shooters, they're always living with a single focal point with their eyes or sh or directly through the glass and they're making small adjustments, right? They're not having to like calculate targets, you know, 90 degrees to their left in order to see where that's happening before they break a shot and move.  Speaker 3: Right? There's certainly not dealing with what we're dealing with, whether they're looking through the top of their eyes and the bottom of their eyes, depending on the angle up and down, they're dealing with [inaudible] long range rifle shooting. So, um, then we kind of get into like what's out there in the, you know, premium marketplace and really there's only a couple. And I would assume you hear a lot about Oakley in your world, right? Just cause the Oakley's the, um, the painless, you know, there's a lot of ranger arms, there's a lot of Nice stuff. Yeah. And they make two lenses. We specifically see a lot of in our world, which is the flax, which is a two lens interchangeable model. And then the tombstones, they have a couple of versions of the wraith and whatever. Um, and I have a set of the tombstones that I use.  Speaker 3: Those are my primary, if I'm doing lots of shooting on multiple angles at different, you know, targetry and all kinds of stuff, that's one of my go to lenses because it's lightweight wraps around the head and I've got completely unobscured vision anywhere. I might, you know, angle the gun short of like shooting down through my feet, which doesn't happen very often. Oh yeah, it has happened, but it doesn't have ever happened. That's usually a result of some sort of catastrophic mistake. On my part where now the only way that you can engage the target is on my back through my legs. Um, but that's a hasn't happened. It has. Um, and that's, I go to that Lens for that very specific reason. So big terrain matches lots of running, lots of open space. That's something I'm wearing. Um, that's the only other shooting lens that I wear besides the HD Gold's now.  Speaker 3: And, um, and so for me, that's the one thing about these glasses that I, you know, and even with my Oakleys, which are perfect, um, that's the one time that I don't wear them. And that's just because I just don't have the Mo. I mean those, I think the wraith and the, the tombstone line has got arguably the most field of view available without obstruction on the marketplace. So I'm not sure where I'm going with this other than to say like, how are you dealing with that? Um, cause you're, you're convincing three gunners, slowly but surely, I'm starting to see these things show up. Um, you know, obviously it's an objection you're dealing with. What is the conversation like around that?  Speaker 5: Um, take them to trial. Yeah. Really, really tight. Come and try him. Um, cause I, and I've had this conversation with some shooters, I won't mention their name, but because they are very, they do a lot of training and they're very specific in what they do. And I don't want to get involved in some detailed conversations. Yeah. When the, when you try them and you use them and you put yourself in a, and when I, I'll back up 20 seconds, I'll tell you, I'll tell them to take them with them off the stages. Yeah. Well the walk that, you know, they got to 10 minutes so I'll take, take them with the law at this stage. No, I can, when I did a lot of matches, especially three Golytely, they've all been championships. Nobody likes to change gear in the middle of the match. Correct.  Speaker 5: I get that they're already there. They're there to win. They'd been practicing. So take them and try and when you want the stage. And that's my soft approach to saying, put them on, see where the contrast is and when you walked the stages, you know, walk and see exactly what's happening when you move your head with these lenses. Um, come to find out with the new velocity that we have, um, that we just came out with in January for USPSA Ayers gives a lot wider view than people imagine with a smaller lands. And that's a little bit more wrap on it. But  Speaker 1: yeah,  Speaker 5: people are finding out, you know, when they, when they see me at the [inaudible] that can put them on, they're like, well I can see this. I can see that. Well of course you're not engaged in high heart rate, high situation, the timer's not going off and your focus is not where it needs to be, which is through your optics, where your sides, um, when this happens for lack of a better vision, for lack of better words, tunnel vision and your direct focus has taken over. Yup. You don't notice anything but what you're looking at and what's your end game? 100% I call alligator brain. There, there is transition period where you have to cut your eyes and be ready for the next target. But it doesn't really affect that either. On some of the frame styles we have, there are some, we had their closed off and that's, you know, it's not good.  Speaker 5: But I always tell people, you know, we have the discussion when I go to these matches, you know, they say, well, what's the difference? I was so, all the lenses are the exact same. So the only differences yet and what we're looking for in a frame, they pick this up. I'm like going, that's not gonna work. Try this one. And I'll put them in. I push towards the gauge, the aviator, um, for the, for the 70s, you know, look, or the either the velocity because I know the rat allows a lot more. Yes, you can get it. I have fun with all these, you know, [inaudible] it doesn't bother me when people say, well, I look like a, you know, an old, you know, seventies, you know, you know, porn star, it doesn't bother me. You know, it's not my fault. They have a mustache. That's right.  Speaker 5: But oh wait, we have a lot of fun with it. But truth be told, it's once we get past the vanity, which is not easy to do. I want, I want people to focus on the lens. And when people try and when they go out and use them, they're like, you know, they come back going, well I didn't notice any of the sides. You know, I don't want to look at somebody and say, well you're not gonna notice that when you shoot, cause I don't shoot myself. I just know based on what the eyeball does, I don't want to get in people's, you know, I not tell them what they're gonna say or how they're going to see it go track theirself. And I guess getting back to the answer, your question specifically is just go demo it for yourself. Go try it. Um, does it work every time?  Speaker 5: No, but I get the feedback I need where I can take it to the next level. And, um, when, you know, like I said, what's going to happen come January is going to be, you know, a lot of people coming back around and saying it's time for me to try it again. Well that's really good. So let's transition just a little bit. I mean the one thing I've really noticed cause I, I did a little dive on like the overall like um, know like I would for any company that solicited my business, the marketing firm, right. This is just do a little dive in like what, where you are, where you're out there in the digital space and all that. And you know, I mean you have a decent presence on several sites but I mean the main thing that you've seem to be doing is you're out there every weekend at the match, putting the glasses in people's hands.  Speaker 5: Is that the last year primary strategy for the company? It's, it's one of those things where when I talk to Sherry about it, I said I've got to go educate people on lenses and technology. You can't do that. You can, but nobody's going to just take the time to go to the benefits page 160 and go and study that. I mean, it's there, everything's there. But to be able to actually talk to somebody about it and actually say, well, why is it doing this compared to this? And I get to talk about the technology to people and educate when I go to these matches. I'm not, you know, this sounds crazy. I've been in, I've been in sales my whole life. I'm not there to just sale. I'm there to educate and build relationships. Yup. That's what it's all about. I've been doing, you know, I have so many people don't have some people walk up that are in sales saying, why didn't you ask for the order?  Speaker 5: I'm like going, they're not ready to buy yet. They're going to let you know. I can get, don't get me wrong, I can sell it better. I've been doing it all my life, but I go out there and I start selling and promoting and putting somebody in a position where they're going to go home and go, what the hell did I just buy? Right? Then you have buyer's remorse that for sure in the social media world that we live in today, you know, that can kill your writings real quick. You don't want that. And that's one reason why when I do demo days, there truly is no pressure. My job is to educate, let people experience it. And even on the prescription side, I actually make your prescription before you buy it and you get to demo with your prescription as well. There's nobody ever heard of this before, and my wife goes, you've lost your mind. I've got doctors that don't pay their bill. I said, you don't these shooters, myself being a shooter when I got started. Yep. The, we're different and we're not going to be known as that individually. We're not gonna be known as that guy or that person that didn't pay for something. And especially Zuni world. It's a very, it's a, it's an amazingly huge shooting world, but it's a small world when it comes to somebody doing something or not supposed to do  Speaker 3: blows me away. I, it's one thing, I mean obviously you've gotten to know a lot of shooters now and you've, you've come to a conclusion that um, that many do. I mean, I take a, I'm like the only game in Minnesota that'll take a credit card for a matching and I don't ask people to sign, which is obviously a, a liability from a business standpoint. Never even crossed my mind. I'm like, we don't, we don't  Speaker 5: either. It's just one of those things that, you know, I always have people ask me all the time, you know, especially I get a lot of emails and everybody goes, what's the warrant? I'm like going, well, what it a warranty warranty? A warranty is nothing but a state of mind. Correct? Correct. Okay. I've sold extended warranties to all the places I worked. I've sold warranties, I've sold, I've sold people a state of mind. And the reason being that there's no actual warranty listed on the website is because warranties don't have to really be curated until somebody take it takes advantage of something. Now let me tell you what I mean by that. My philosophy, when somebody catches a frag or something happens, they contact me. I'm just gonna replace the Lens. Yep. No questions asked. Um, if somebody sends me a pair of glasses that have had, um, I can, I can we say lenses every day by our doctors that returned stuff for warranty.  Speaker 5: It's where the manufacturer, we are the warranty. We handle everything. Yep. So seeing lenses come every day, I can tell when a lens has been abused. You know what I mean by abused is leaving it just on the dash your car in extreme heat, um, cleaning it, um, and causing scratches because of clean. Um, we see everything and that people try to put my people a lot smarter than me in the lab here. You know, we know how to identify things. So when I talk to people about, you know, cleaning, you know it with, they come with cleaning instructions, like they come with a, they come a z clear, which is a cleaner, an atoll fogging agent, you know that, you know, we try to do anti fogging in house. I have all the tools to do it in the house, but there's another heating and cooling process that causes us to fail Ansi standards.  Speaker 5: So we had to find an outside source and I met up with um, Chris Ward who owns z clear and then that's why we package everything and hunter's HD go. Was he clear? There are specific things we put in place with every part of the process to be able to try to overcome the objections before they become objections. And I've had people that have brought me lenses before saying I've got this stuff in here. I can't get it off the lens. Am I going? Yeah, this is where pretty much you cleaned your lenses with your jersey, where your shirt, which is the worst thing to do because every bit of dust and dirt that's on that Jersey is going to get in there. And that's what scratches and this, it's when you're using that, I'll talk to them. I say, well take them back. I'm still replace them for weed because I'm here to, I mean I'm not here to sell another pair of lenses every time someone has a problem or I'm here to, you know, build customers for life.  Speaker 5: So I'll tell them, you know, well next time before you clean your lenses, take whatever liquid you have, be it, um, water, kool-aid and Gatorade poured on lenses cause there's a hydrophobic top coat that's not gonna allow anything to stick to them. Then clean them with the stuff that we provided. And then, you know, here's a new, you know, here's your, here's a set of lenses and replaced no charge. If this happens again, I'm gonna charge you $2,000. So it's just, you know, cause we've had, you know, it's all a part of training happens. Um, so, you know, we, I have fun and I'm not just dealing with, you know, if somebody has a problem, it's just not a customer. I said it's a person. I've met some person I've come to know and we have, we have a real life conversation just like we just had, you know, she's like, this is, this is how you, how you can overcome this in the future.  Speaker 5: Don't do that. It's so clear. Cause I see you out there and there's just, there's always a line of people to come talk to you and check them out and figure it out. And part of that is, I also have been, I don't know if you're still doing this, but at least the last season you were doing like a custom set of glasses for each, for each. Yes. I still, I still do that. Getting Ready to, you know, not when I'm sure this podcast is going to be produced, I mean published, but I'll be somewhere else this weekend with another custom pair everywhere I go. And um, that's, that's part of the fun because it does two things. One, it brings people to the tent to see what I've got. Cause I don't ever release any pictures of it until the day of. So people want to come see what I've put together and I gathered their email address for any kind of, you know, a future marketing's or any new product releases.  Speaker 5: What's a good way to, you know, the catcher that on the business side, I'm always have people all the time ask me, you know what, they email me all the time. I said, I don't have time that, you know, so you may get an email once or twice a year about product, you know, a new product update or something that's happening in the, in the, in the honey hundreds HD gold world. But, um, those are mine to keep and I'm not going to sell in anybody. So, um, I've had people ask me in the industry, you know, hey, can I get, you know, have some email addresses for this and this? And I'm like, no, I can't do that. Just like the, when I became part of the USPSA I talked to them and I said, do y'all have an emails out there that can market to, and it's actually in their bylaws, the answer's no, which is fine.  Speaker 5: So I still had to create a way to, you know, build my own list and um, my list I feel in some cases is better than their list because um, if they're not at the award ceremony, the only way I'm going to contact and let them know is through email cause I'm not collecting phone numbers or anything else. So they, they're, you know, they're inclined to give you their correct email address. So when I do have time to send out an email about a product release or what we're doing on youtube or whatever we're doing, um, which has happened, not all think, but once this year when our first time I contest the beginning of the year that lasted out the entire year, they actually emailed everybody. And when are, when I sent out that email, I had a pretty high, I mean, think my open rate was like 80 something percent. So that's pretty high based on talking to other people that are only getting 20 or 30% of their open rates. So kidding. When I email somebody, it's like, hey, you know, it's not very often and you know, we all get those emails two or three times a day from the same company and we, you know, they just become like, I just need to go away. They just see everything and you stuff  Speaker 3: that's a real markable number. Right? That's like, I mean, when we were marketing my mom, uh, my family's been residential real estate for a very, very long time and she was very early on in the email marketing and when we were sending out emails, you know, like 2005 to 10, somewhere in there, 70 to 90% open rate was like pretty awesome. Right? Uh, but now 70 90% is like three x. They did not it. Like I told you, when I go meet all these people, what am I doing? I'm, I'm making friends, I'm building relationships. How many times you open an email from your friend [inaudible] it's all about building that relationship. Well, the other thing too is, I mean, I don't know if you're aware of this, but like I, you know, if you went to American Express and you asked them for email addresses that were as fine tuned as humanly possible to get, um, to get like the right client, right?  Speaker 3: You'd pay like five to $10 per email address. Wow. And that's nothing compared to how refined they are when they opt in directly to your company. Right. So when I tell my clients, for example, is like on your website, wherever you're at, consider that every time someone gives you an email address, it's like they handed you a $5 bill and that's on the bottom of the value of it, right? And you start looking at these assets. I mean, we've got companies that have 10, 12,000 email addresses. I mean, that's a 50 or $60,000 minimum asset that people have built up over time. Um, you know, look, I mean you're not in a position where tomorrow going to come along  Speaker 5: and say you can't market anymore on Facebook because you're a, you know, you're in the protective. Oh really? Some of the tags I've done, I've had some stuff taken down before. Just people shooting competitively based on maybe a Hashtag. I don't know what it was, but they said it was something I promote. Um, firearms or something I liked going and actually challenged it. I'd actually challenged it one time when I tried to boost a post that was um, nothing but the um, it was a youtube page when I looked at that. When I do now, I go around and I, when I'm doing everything, when everybody is shooting, I'm just sitting in a tent. Yeah. I have chosen to go out there and get videos of people shooting and capture like you to use your words that I heard you use a year ago. They're Disney world moment.  Speaker 5: Yeah. And I took that from you, kind of go capture, I take videos of people and at the end of the end of that day, I go put on a youtube page for free. I'm not making money off of Youtube. They're there for them to download their self. Yup. It's a way, you know, to do, you know, promote that. But when I promoted at one time on the 160 go youtube page, they shut it down. And based on my, um, promoting the sh, promoting ammunition and stuff like that, it was weird. So I counteract it and came back and said, I'm promoting safety prescription. I'm promotion to safety, protective eyewear, just like the list that eight other companies that were same thing. And it came back. And finally, you know, I, I won, I won my, uh, you know, I've had my problems too. Robin had the same problems over the hour.  Speaker 5: But when I, you know, I'm very careful on what my hashtags are now. I can't put certain hashtags on there when I want to boost something. But it's one of those things that, um, I'm waiting for the day and I'm always out there looking for something that is, we're not being shadow banned. We're not being, you know, I can go type in, you know, looking for certain companies out there and I actually have to type in the company. Exactly right. Or it doesn't even pull up anymore. He used to get tight, hey, and there's angle lamination and all these other companies at Chi, everybody's right there now. It's like you type I and it's like, nope, nope. You have to type them specifically what they are to get them to pull up now. Yeah. Is that the answer? Is that the way they're doing it now? I guarantee you that's what they're wanting to happen. It could be. It could be either. So my philosophy on all this stuff is I don't get romantic about any of it. I just look. The fact is, is if I had a new company tomorrow that sold guns and I could get away with two months of Facebook advertising before they shut me down, I do it in a second. Um, it was earlier this year actually, that for whatever reason, because we run tests pretty much monthly. Yeah. On Google, on Facebook and places like that.  Speaker 3: Or I just, I've got a couple of hundred bucks this kind of rolling all the time to see if I can get ads through and Google all of a sudden just all my gun ads got through. So we just quintupled down on that for like, I don't know, three or four months. Then all of a sudden we started getting disapproved, disapproved, fine, whatever. I made like 300 grand in the process. I'm not for the companies that I, so I'm just, I just don't get romantic about it. Cause the truth is, is that's just what, where we're at. What we're dealing with and still today, Facebook is, is one of the great arbitragers for your dollar in advertising. And, um, the one thing I'll tell you though is you can get a f an advocate at Facebook. So you've, if you got a couple of ads that have been knocked down, you can apply for an advocate.  Speaker 3: And once you have an advocate, if you're a proven product, they go through and do all the research and you guys aren't selling anything. What you want to make sure is there's no, like there's no, you know, like right now, uh, if I go to your page, I'm at a hunter's ht gold and I go to your, uh, ba Ba ba Ba ba. I was at your testimonials where, yeah, you've got your gold team partners and I can link right to a Chi, for example. And he sells guns. So what you might want to do there is if you were to, it's like one degree of separation you've got to put in place, right? So you could create a page for your website, for each of your, where you give it, like, uh, so the click through goes for a Chi, goes to a page on your site that has what you think of, you know, stuff about a Chi.  Speaker 3: And then there they can click over and go to your, um, to their page instead of having just directly to the correct. And if you do that and the advocate clears all that, then you probably will be okay. And you can run ads all day long and you can still do what you want to do, which is promote your, you these companies, right? And so, um, and you get that in place. Uh, you know, there's some like kayaks holster companies, technically holsters or not banned on Facebook, but try to get an ad out on a, on a holster. It's like fricking impossible. So you got to go through the process and get an advocate and go through the whole thing. And the problem is most holster companies spend a lot of time promoting guns and they don't realize they're doing it. And all they have to do is just do a little clean up and get their house in order. Now look, I don't want it to be that way. Right? But who gives a damn what I want. No, my job is to make money for my and see. Right?  Speaker 3: So, so, you know, and I, I just don't get too romantic about it. And the thing is, if, you know, my competition out there is going to be upset about it all day long and just not pay for advertising on Facebook, they're welcome to do that. But the truth is, is I'm gonna win right at the bottom line. And so I just don't. So are they shadow banning? Probably. Are they making life more difficult for us? Probably, but I don't spend any time thinking about it. Right. You know, and do I want to give my money to a company like that? No. But the truth is, most of the companies I work for are well south of $10 million a year. So, even if you had a $10 million company, your ad budget being 1%, it's gonna be, you know, that's a hundred grand, right? Right. If your ad budgets 3% is $300,000, tell me where you can buy that kind of exposure for 300 grand.  Speaker 3: And I'll do it. It's certainly not the backpage at USPSA front sight magazine. That's correct. So that's where I started to, you know, I start to look and I'm like, well, in the, in the big cost benefit analysis of marketing, um, I just bet ponies and I'll bet whatever pony is gonna win the best of my ability. If I have an option between a winning pony and another winning pony that doesn't, you know, um, put us in third gear all the time. Um, then I'm going to, I'm going to pay for the one that's open throttle. Right? But, but at the same time they don't exist. Right. So it's interesting. Okay. So, look, we covered a lot of stuff and I got a couple of things I just got to ask you because one thing we do a lot on this show is, um, is we talk about how we get our business done and you are traveling like basically every weekend, nine months of the year from what I can tell. What's your, what's your like, what's your key, like what do you like, what are your go to things to like, you know, keep your life in order to keep your business in order. Any tips or tricks, you got hacks we like to call them. Um, it is to, um, one, stay real with yourself. Really good.  Speaker 5: And that's what I mean by that is not just with business but with, with home and everything else with life. Um, Sherry is, um, very, very supportive and everything I'm doing, I

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Nick and Mike tackle the 1988 film, Michael Jackson's Moonwalker. It spawned several video games and was a collection of music videos/a weaker than stylophone plot devised to promote his 1987 album, Bad. It's... Bad? Nick also obsesses over Joe Pesci while Mike talks the moon landing and dinosaurs.

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Don't let these Witts fool you, with their Colgate smiles and constant giggles and impossibly amiable personalities. Then again, how could you not be fooled? Was that McKenna in the Oakleys or Madison? Wasn't McKenna on the right? Or did they switch? Hold on…it was Madison with the 4-centimeter tear in her ab…right? Or was that the other one, the one who looks just like her, down to the cascade of dirty blonde hair and almond-shaped eyes and what they call “twig-noodle” frames? Kerri Walsh couldn't figure it out when she played the Witts in 2016. Neither could their high school teachers on the one occasion they swapped places in math and Spanish, though so overwhelming was their guilt and nerves that they never did it again. “I was so nervous,” McKenna Witt, now McKenna Thibodeau, said. Yes, the Witt sisters are technically no longer. McKenna is now a Thibodeau, and Madison, recently engaged, will soon become a Willis. The Thibodeau-Willis sisters don't exactly have the same ring as the Witt Sisters. No matter. They still have the same identical looks, despite an NVL official once attempting to change that, marking Madison with a No. 1. Or hold on. Was that McKenna? Not that it mattered. She washed it off anyway. McKenna had a tear in her ab, and she wasn't going to be picked on. Beyond that, Madison wasn't going to let another team complain about playing a pair of identical twins, especially when one of them is injured, and exposing which one that was could mean furthering the injury. Simply put: You don't mess with a Witt, and you certainly don't mess with one when the other is on the same court. “We're fierce competitors,” Madison said,. Killers with a smile. So hungry for success are they that in less than five years playing beach volleyball they've become All-Americans, finished their four years at Arizona with an 85-33 record, qualified for an AVP in San Francisco in 2016, grinded through an NVL qualifier in 2017 and advanced to the semifinals, picked up their Masters degrees doing a grad year indoors with Cal Baptist all the while planning McKenna's wedding. Now they're the poster girls for P1440, selected as one of the tour's developmental teams. It appears to have been a smooth ride for the Witts. Little turbulence, few setbacks, the American Dream from a pair of sisters who are as likable as they are marketable. Their path has been quite the contrary, and they like it that way. They love telling the story about how they were cut from their seventh-grade team, touching a ball for the first time in an organized setting in eighth grade. They aren't necessarily enamored with their 13-15 record at Arizona as freshmen, but they're able to look back upon it with fondness, for prior to the season, they had to relearn how to throw a ball, let alone hit one. They're not kidding, either. Their coach, Steve Walker, didn't like how they threw a ball, which replicates the mechanics for an arm swing. So in their first week as collegiate beach volleyball players...they threw volleyballs. “Looking back, we loved the process,” Madison said. “Steve would always say ‘Rome isn't built in a day' and man is that true… The process is beautiful. You don't grow on mountaintops.” They didn't. And their steep growth created a style they refer to as “scrappy, weird athletic, and fun.” The weird athletic can be up for interpretation. The fun part is not. They're contagious, these Witts, forever smiling, laughter providing the soundtrack to their conversations, humble from an upbringing ground in faith. “We'll do whatever is takes to win,” McKenna said. “But we'll still be nice.”

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How is Mixed Reality (MR) changing the way we experience the world? We explore this question with three creators using MR to entertain, connect, and assist people with different abilities. First, we chat with Mia Tramz, Managing Editor at LIFE VR, about using virtual reality to travel the world. Then we catch up with Zach Clark, a veteran who was injured in combat and is now using HoloLens to help people with visual impairments and brain injuries navigate hospital settings. Finally, Microsoft's Dona Sarkar and Spencer Reynolds take us on a tour of becoming a virtual hologram via Microsoft's Mixed Reality Capture Studios.   Episode transcript JASON HOWARD:  Welcome to the Windows Insider Podcast.  You are listening to Episode 11 part two, in our series on mixed reality.  Today, we're talking to creators in the mixed reality space. Mixed reality, also known as MR, is the term for experiences where physical and digital objects coexist and interact in real time.  We can reach these experiences through a combination of headsets, computers, and external sensors, or more sophisticated technology like the HoloLens. Microsoft, and Windows in particular, has been a leader in enabling mixed reality experiences.  In fact, Windows 10 was built from the ground up to support innovations in mixed reality. To learn more about Microsoft's commitment to MR, check out part one in our series on mixed reality. Hardware and software technology are both important for mixed reality, but so is the context available on the platform.  Creators in MR are using it to tell stories, enable innovation, and even provide medical care.  We're still discovering all the ways MR could impact our lives. Our first guest today talks to me about the challenges and opportunities of creating entertainment content for virtual reality platforms.  She's calling in from her office in New York where she develops mixed reality content for Time, Incorporated, the media giant behind more than 100 magazine brands and websites, names you've probably heard of like Sports Illustrated, and Time Magazine. MIA TRAMZ:  My name is Mia Tramz.  I'm the Managing Editor of Life VR, and newly Time's Special Projects Editor for Time Magazine.  I develop and produce VR and AR experiences for all Time, Inc. brands.  So that includes Time, but also Sports Illustrated, People, EW, Travel & Leisure, Food & Wine, Essence & Style, the list goes on and on and on.  And I also lead the company's strategy in both markets. JASON HOWARD:  Wow, it sounds like you have quite the reach. MIA TRAMZ:  I do, I do.  I get to do a lot of fun things and wear many hats. JASON HOWARD:  So officially you are Managing Editor for VR Content.  What's a typical day like for you. MIA TRAMZ:  On the one hand, I can sit down with the editors from pretty much any of our titles from Time to People to Sports Illustrated, and brainstorm, you know, big ambitious and smaller, quicker turn VR, AR, and 360 projects, or I can go out into the world and find projects that align well with our brands, and kind of integrate those editorial teams into the development of, you know, projects that are coming to us from the outside.  And then I also get to come up with a lot of projects on my own, which has been a really fun part of the job. We create for and publish across many platforms, everything from Facebook 360 to Samsung Gear to our Life VR Cardboard app, which is available for free for iOS and Android -- do my little plug -- to Oculus and Vive, which are, you know, at the higher end of the spectrum. We are also very newly a Microsoft MR launch partner, so we have a Life VR app on the new Windows MR platform. And, you know, each of those platforms requires an understanding of what works best on that particular device, understanding the different types of production that it takes to create some effective for those different platforms. So I get to work a bunch of different muscles, and I'm constantly learning and being thrown into new situations.  It's a really fascinating job. JASON HOWARD:  No doubt that keeps it interesting and entertaining. So you've mentioned, you know, the broad variety of platforms that you engage users across, like the Life brand itself has a long history of telling stories across a ton of different subjects, you know, everything from news to sports, fashion and food, of course.  How does your approach in telling stories in the virtual reality space differ from telling stories with traditional means like video or a magazine feature. MIA TRAMZ:  Well, I'll answer that in sort of an indirect way.  Life VR is meant to be an extension of the Life Magazine brand.  When this initiative was, you know, being thought up in our company, one of the issues they were trying to solve for was going into VR as a publishing company was distribution.  It's one of the hardest parts of being a creator in the VR space right now, getting eyeballs on what you're creating. And what they decided was instead of, you know, developing separate VR apps for People and Time and Sports Illustrated, it would make more sense to create an umbrella brand that all of that content rolls under, so that if you went to go watch a Sports Illustrated experience, you might come across a People experience that you were interested in or a Time experience while you're in that environment.  And that's what the Life VR app is. But the reason they gave it the Life name I think is really interesting.  They went back and found the original prospectus that Henry Luce, who founded Time and Life Magazine, wrote for Life.  And if you read it, it reads like a VR pitch.  He's talking about taking you to places that you couldn't see otherwise, to see the shadows on the moon and the depths of the jungle and to walk through walls. And if you think about the format of Life Magazine, you know, it was those huge, beautiful, printed pages, and gorgeous, huge photographs.  It was about as immersive as you could get with a print product.  And he was giving you a window onto the world that you wouldn't have had otherwise. So I think in creating a Life VR brand we were taking the legacy of our storytelling, which was to transport our readers to all the places in the world that they can't get to otherwise, and really fulfilling what we think the promise of VR can be with the brands of storytelling that we're so well-known for. JASON HOWARD:  So how would you convince somebody who normally prefers traditional media, for example, like a print magazine or whatnot, to give this virtual reality thing a try. MIA TRAMZ:  This is a person I have to convince that I am physically with, I would just show them a few VR pieces, and that's something that I do a lot in my job.  I do a lot of VR demos. And my thought there is it's pretty immediate when you see a good VR experience for the first time.  There's not much selling that I would have to do.  You kind of just get it. But in terms of our readership, this is something that we think about a lot.  There's a lot of consumer adoption hurdles when it comes to VR.  If I make a project and someone comes across in like their Facebook feed, or if they're hearing about it from a friend, that project needs to be interesting and compelling enough that they're not only going to go out and find the app to watch it and that they then have to download, but they're also either going to find or buy a VR headset to watch it in, and then they're going to take some of their TV time to sit down and watch this thing that I've produced. So from the get-go the projects have to really excite the viewer enough to do all of those things to watch them.  And then once they get through all those hurdles, you have to kind of deliver on what the promise of the projects seem to be. So for example, instead of turning out a high volume of content that maybe isn't quite as ambitious, what we've focused on is tackling really big projects that if you came across them on any channel that you're getting your content from, or if you heard about it from a friend, if you heard about this project, you would feel like you had to see it. So, for example, Capturing Everest was one of our projects that we released with Sports Illustrated in May of this year, and it's the first bottom to top climb of Mt. Everest in VR as a documentary VR series.  We released it in four episodes, and we start by following three really amazing climbers.  One of our climbers is Jeff Glasbrenner.  He was the first American amputee to summit Everest with our climb.  Then we have Lisa White, who's a cancer survivor.  She was in chemotherapy while she was training to climb Everest.  And then after she finished, therapy went straight to Nepal in order to climb.  And then we have some really amazing Sherpas and mountaineers that are helping them reach the summit. That project was both a VR experience, it was a print story and a cover story for Sports Illustrated.  We published it as a series of 360 videos on Sports Illustrated's website.  And then there's also a whole augmented reality feature that we launched with that issue of SI. If you came across that project, my hope is that it's so cool and it's so exciting that you're willing to go through all of the hurdles needed to actually watch it.  It's really about capturing people's imagination and making the case to them that this is worth your investment of time, regardless of whether you're familiar with the technology or not. JASON HOWARD:  So obviously making the path and taking the trek to go to Everest is something that while some people do, there's a lot of people that won't have that opportunity in their life.  Which kind of leads me into the next thing that I want to ask you about. Life VR has done a ton of work for travel publications, including recently a virtual experience for Vancouver, BC in Travel & Leisure Magazine.  Can you tell us a bit about how virtual reality will impact the future of the travel industry. MIA TRAMZ:  I think what's really amazing is we can give you a sense of actually being in that place in a way that you can't get with video or with text.  And I think the other really exciting thing is with Travel & Leisure in particular, it's not so much about hotels or cruise ships or things like that, there really is kind of an adventure, some spirit there that we can tap into. JASON HOWARD:  I can see how that would make a big difference in getting people excited about travel.  How do you see virtual reality technology changing entertainment like television or film. MIA TRAMZ:  Where I think VR becomes really interesting in the film industry is when filmmakers use it as a standalone tool for storytelling as opposed to something that's augmenting a film that they're creating anyway. So I think the best example of that and the most interesting example of that right now is Alejandro Iñárritu's piece CARNE y ARENA, which is installed at LACMA in Los Angeles. This piece is different in a few ways.  It's a physical installation, so it's an experience that you are walking around in.  You are watching what is essentially a documentary film in VR.  He has recreated an encounter between border agents, immigrants, and refugees at the Mexican-American border, and he's recreated an interaction that actually happened.  You are in a way stepping into a documentary film, both visually and physically. And when you think about that, and then you perhaps add in the layer of what if you could do that sort of experience with let's say four or five or your closest friends, and you could see each other in the experience, I think the opportunities that opens up for a filmmaker get really interesting. And I think that the resources that the film industry has in terms of producing something that at that level, with how much it costs, the technology that's needed to pull that off in the way that you would want to see it, it's something that the film industry will be able to do with VR that no other industry really has the infrastructure to tackle in such an interesting way. JASON HOWARD:  So we've talked here about the film industry and previously we mentioned a little bit about the travel industry.  What other industries do you see virtual reality having a broader impact on. MIA TRAMZ:  Well, I think healthcare and education are two really big ones, and they're ones that I'm working on within Time, Inc.  I think it's important for your listeners to know that VR is not a new thing.  It's been around for over three decades.  And it has historically been used as a teaching tool. So for example the military and NASA have used VR for decades to train soldiers and astronauts.  It's been used to treat PTSD.  It's been used to provide stress relief. And I think in the medical industry now some of the more interesting applications are using VR instead of anesthesia, using VR to help patients have a better overall experience at a hospital. There's some really interesting applications where VR can have inherent value as a tool as opposed to being a means of entertainment.  And I think there's been a number of studies conducted by Professor Jeremy Bailinson at Stanford's Virtual Human Interaction Lab around VR in education as it applies to elementary, middle school, and high school. When you get into how could it enhance education on the school level, how can it enhance healthcare, both from a training perspective and a patient experience perspective, I think that there is a ton of promise there for those two industries. JASON HOWARD:  Well, I have to say this has been a fascinating chat.  Hopefully, our listeners have learned a thing -- I know just from the conversation with you I've picked up a thing or two along the way, so thank you for that. MIA TRAMZ:  You're welcome. JASON HOWARD:  But before we close out, is there anything else you'd like to share. MIA TRAMZ:  You know, I would love to encourage your listeners to seek out our content, either from the Life VR app, which is something you can download onto your smart phone if you have iOS or Android, or of course on the new Windows MR platform.  We have a really fun, new application for that headset where you actually get to step into a 3D world that is inspired by the Life archive and see some of our most famous covers as huge buildings.  It's a cityscape built out of Life Magazines, and then you can explore some of our other experiences in that environment.  It's pretty cool. JASON HOWARD:  Awesome.  Well, Mia, thank you so much for your time.  It's been a pleasure chatting with you. MIA TRAMZ:  You, too.  You, too.  Thanks for having me. JASON HOWARD:  Mixed reality has the potential to transform so many industries.  And like Mia mentioned earlier, healthcare is just one of the fields that could see big changes with this new tech.  Take, for example, this Windows Insider who is developing a HoloLens app to help people who have severe brain injuries. Zach Clark is a veteran who sustained a brain injury while serving as a machine gunner in the Marine Corp.  A machine gunner is a highly dangerous combat position, and Zach was wounded while serving in Iraq.  Now he's working to help people with similar conditions through mixed reality. Zach, welcome to the podcast.  Tell us about your background and how you got started on this project. ZACH CLARK:  A little bit about myself, I've always tinkered with computers, even before the Marine Corp.  I would always take stuff apart, and somehow we'd lose parts.  And so I became pretty good with computers.  My family wanted me to find something in the computer job, and I wanted to -- you know, I wanted to fight instead.  And obviously that's where it got me to where I am today dealing with my injuries and my issues. JASON HOWARD:  What was your experience in combat, and how did you get injured. ZACH CLARK:  One of the big pinnacle moments there, being part of a regimental combat team, we encountered a boxed laser.  And they would point the lasers at the gunners that they attempted to ambush.  And this is kind of like one portion of the story, because this still affects me emotionally to this day. So they hit me in the eye with a high powered box laser on the back of a truck, less than a second, and it blinded me in my right eye.  It melted the film around my Oakleys.  And so it really kind of messed with the medical teams, and they didn't know how to treat laser injuries.  I think I was one of the first to get hit on a truck. They medevac'd me out, put an eye patch on.  They didn't realize that the optical nerve ripped.  So sent back to the truck, and I started doing convoys again, looking like a pirate. And one day I was on top of a 7 ton, and loading up our machine gun, which was an M2 .50 cal, and I was trying to set it down, and something with the optical nerve shorted out my brain, and I ended up going head first, falling about eight to nine feet, and then having a .50 cal slam down on my neck as well. They dealt with that.  They couldn't figure out why I fell.  They said the impact just from the laser itself causing the tissue to retract caused portions of my lobes to contract so hard they scarred up. And so that was kind of a pinnacle point in my life, because that's when everything kind of went downhill. JASON HOWARD:  So what has been the result of that accident for you ZACH CLARK:  The memory, it's unstable.  I'm on about 15 to 20 different meds a day. And so working with the Insider program and doing all that has kind of kept a consistent thing for me, and that's helped my memory.  But some days I can't walk, some days I can't get out of bed, all the way down to where I would be puking every day, but, you know, pardon that detail. JASON HOWARD:  You spend a lot of time trying to work with your community and give back.  Part of what you're doing now is developing an app for HoloLens, right. ZACH CLARK:  Yes. JASON HOWARD:  Can you tell us about how that project came around and what you're doing. ZACH CLARK:  So that project came around with my own issues actually.  I would get lost.  I would have an issue with remembering my medications, remembering which area of the hospital I needed to go to that day. And so I've been kind of messing with mapping tools, geolocation, and I'm trying to develop almost like signal indicators for the hospital so that someone with my issues can put the headset on if they're in a wheelchair or whatever, and it will help guide them through, it will help remind them that they need to do this or they need to do that. I'm doing that because I had a huge issue with it, but I also still have a pretty big issue with it.  And I wanted to help people with eyesight issues to where there's somewhat of a proximity.  I knocked down the Christmas tree a few years ago, the tallest Christmas tree at the Crown Center because I didn't see it.  I mean, there's not a lot I could do back then, but now being able to have something to develop on and develop with, I can apply my own struggles to prevent others from having that issue. JASON HOWARD:  So obviously you're taking your own experience and your own situation and trying to use technology in a way that will help make that experience easier for yourself, but it also sounds like the whole concept of mixed reality can support other people, either those who are elderly or other people who have some sort of disability.  It seems like there's a natural pathway here. ZACH CLARK:  Exactly. JASON HOWARD:  So personally it sounds like you've had quite the life experience so far.  What are some of your goals for the future. ZACH CLARK:  Goals for the future is get the app up and going, at least help one person a week.  And right now, I mean, I'm just helping people day-in and day-out.  I want to feel better, both mentally and physically.  But my main goals are going to continue helping, and I will do that. JASON HOWARD:  Talking to Zach and Mia about the merging of digital and physical worlds got me thinking.  How does one become a hologram?  Turns out Microsoft has production studios devoted to doing just that.  We asked Dona Sarkar, head of the Windows Insider program here at Microsoft, to investigate.  Listen as she goes on location to Microsoft Capture Studios and walks us through the technical process for capturing mixed reality content. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  I'm Spencer Reynolds.  I'm the Stage Manager here at Microsoft Mixed Reality Capture Studios.  We have a stage here in Redmond, and we have stages in San Francisco and also a partner stage in London that we just opened both of those latter two stages within the last month or so. DONA SARKAR:  So Spencer, you and I know that mixed reality best reality, but do you want to describe what that is to other people. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  So basically what we're capturing here is really just living things.  We're creating human holograms and living things.  And so knowing that mixed reality is an awesome platform, it's that much more familiar and exciting to be in when you're there with living things that you can recognize and they look living. So what we're really exciting about capturing and creating here is people, and making holograms out of them.  So that way when you're in one of these experiences, it's not so much just an environment or an experience that's all CG, you can really be in that environment with a person that you recognize or an incredible performer or any other sort of living thing that makes it that much more tangible. DONA SARKAR:  What kind of living thing. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  Any kind of living things.  We've had all kinds of stuff between dancers and educators and undead zombies and weight lifters and, you know, baby tigers and animals are always fun.  People always - DONA SARKAR:  Did you just say baby tiger. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  I did say baby tigers.  Baby lions, sloths, llamas, all kinds of stuff.  Big and small, animals are fun.  But they are animals, so sometimes they're - DONA SARKAR:  So they're unruly. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  They can be a little unruly.  They don't take direction quite as well.  But they are still quite fun. But also, yeah, I mean, in addition to animals and educators and all that good stuff, you know, we find that it's not just entertainment that we use this for, we're really trying to target this for anything that you use video for today in terms of entertainment but also education and commerce and even personal memories.  It's one of the most innate things that people see when they come through the stage is they're like, I want to bring my kids through, I want to bring my grandparents through, and try to get sort of a memory of somebody that's in their life that they love. DONA SARKAR:  That's amazing.  Who's the most famous person that you've had in here. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  It's a pretty good list at this point.  I'm trying to think of some of the ones that are public at this point.  We had Russell Wilson come through.  We had George Takei come through, Billy Corgan, which was just recently announced.  A few more coming down the pipe that are not quite out there yet. DONA SARKAR:  Ooh, a secret. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  Yeah, secret, secret. DONA SARKAR:  That is so cool. So what is the weirdest thing you've recorded. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  That's an even longer list, but yeah, all kinds of wacky stuff.  Weird is one thing, but definitely just exciting or interesting.  There's been lots of stuff where we've been recording, and I just can't help but shake my head while we're doing a capture, just like I can't believe we're here doing this. But I wouldn't say grumpy cat is weird, but definitely - DONA SARKAR:  Definitely weird. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  -- definitely an odd experience seeing grumpy cat out on the stage. But yeah, I mean, also just the wide variety of like, you know, people in cosplay costumes and people just kind of being themselves doing amazing things of performance, you know, Cirque du Soleil performers, just kinds of all wild, wacky stuff where every day it's just, wow, I can't believe we're actually here capturing this wide variety of stuff. DONA SARKAR:  That's amazing. So why do they come to you?  What are they trying to achieve by coming in here to the studio. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  Well, I mean, really this is one of the few places in the entire world where you can capture holograms of humans.  And so our goal with this project is really just to create more of this content, because mixed reality is great and mixed reality again is that much more palpable when you have content that makes sense that people can relate to. A lot of our projects are both Microsoft internal projects, but more so recently external projects where it's either an agency or a creative group that wants to come through and capture somebody that's recognizable, somebody that they're going to be using for their experience. And so part of that also is just getting more of these stages accessible and out there.  We don't want to own and operate stages that only we're the gatekeepers for.  It's really about getting more of these stages, and also having more partner stages so that around the world these stages just become more and more accessible to people that want to get this kind of content. DONA SARKAR:  That is so cool. The Windows Insiders and the two of us are giant nerds. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  Likewise. DONA SARKAR:  Talk to us about how this works.  How does it work?  Can you describe the process for how you capture footage for mixed reality. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  Yeah, certainly.  We have a huge stage with 106 cameras.  And half of them are color cameras and half of them are infrared.  So we basically record performances of the people who are out onstage, and while we're recording that, it's about 10 gigabytes of data a second. And then we take all of that data, and we put it to a render farm.  And then as we process it, we basically extract out a video file that's on the order of 10 megabits a second. DONA SARKAR:  Wow. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  So it's a pretty big compression, but what that allows us is basically to stream this content, and sort of deliver it to a wider variety of audiences, and also across a number of platforms.  It's not necessarily just for Windows or HoloLens or anything like that.  I mean, obviously it looks great on HoloLens and mixed reality devices, but we like to remind folks that it works out touch devices, it works on mobile, it works on desktop.  Pretty much any platform where you can change the viewpoint, this content works just as well there. We look at this technology not as something that's going to replace motion capture or replace computer graphics or anything like that, it's just another tool, it's another way of creating the content.  There are definitely like pros and cons that each one of these technologies has, and so it really is fun to sort of explore those as we make more of this type of content. DONA SARKAR:  All right.  Let's have a walkthrough. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  Yeah, indeed.  Come on up. I'll warn you there's a sticky floor.  We've lost a couple kids there; they get stuck. DONA SARKAR:  Wow, look at this.  This is very green.  Yeah, this is very, very green.  So why is it green. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  A couple reasons.  The main reason that this stage is green is because green helps with determining what's in the stage and sort of what is the background.  And that's really important for us as we do processing is knowing sort of what's in the foreground and what's in the background. The green isn't necessarily required, we sort of called this setup sort of the best case scenario, this is the perfect world in terms of it's very green, and you'll notice that the lights are all nice and bright and really evenly lit.  As you look around, there aren't a lot of shadows on the floor, there aren't a lot of shadows on us. The reason that we tend to shoot with very even lights is because when we go into a HoloLens experience, we don't necessarily know what the lighting is in the world. DONA SARKAR:  That's right. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  You don't want shadows conflicting.  So we often just kind of say, okay, you're evenly lit. But for other experiences where maybe we do know what the environment is, we can try to recreate that environment.  And by doing that, it gives the capture a lot more detail in terms of shadows or color that maybe matches up with the world that you're going to put that character into.  And it really does take it to a whole other level of sort of embedding that character into the world. DONA SARKAR:  So I know you all can't see this but this is the most green room you have ever seen, like Kermit the Frog green everywhere.  And the lights are amazing.  They're just like the best studio lights you've ever seen in your entire life.  And they're all over the room.  How many lights are in here, 50. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  I want to say there are 32. DONA SARKAR:  Thirty-two. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  Yeah.  So basically, and that's split across the foreground and the background.  And so the reason we have the background so far back is just because we want to make sure that the light bouncing off of that wall doesn't sort of come back in and make everyone here in the capture area more green. DONA SARKAR:  That's right.  There are so many cameras pointed right here at the center stage.  How many cameras did you say again. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  A hundred and six cameras. DONA SARKAR:  Wow. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  Yeah. DONA SARKAR:  That's a lot of cameras SPENCER REYNOLDS:  They're all over.  I mean, they're 360 and they're even up top. DONA SARKAR:  They are up top, yeah. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  And so yeah, half of them are color, half of them are infrared. You'll see this little box right here.  This is actually an infrared emitter out of the original Kinect. DONA SARKAR:  Oh, that is interesting.  Yeah, we've said that, HoloLens is Kinect shrunken down, on your head, advanced. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  Exactly, yeah. DONA SARKAR:  Yeah, and we're seeing it actually right now. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  So what's fun about this is this puts out just a really nice infrared star field speckle pattern onto the performers, and that's what the infrared cameras are looking for.  They look at that pattern of dots, and then they can use that to sort of reconstruct the 3D shape of the person or the object that's out here. DONA SARKAR:  So when you had the zombie in here, what was that like?  Ned. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  Ned. DONA SARKAR:  Ned. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  Yeah, Ned's the best.  We love Ned.  Ned's pretty fun. DONA SARKAR:  Everyone, that's a zombie on a treadmill. Is there anything you think our audience should know that I haven't prosecuted you about in this amazing green room. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  I mean, really it's just we now have these stages, they're open.  They're open to the public for projects.  And if you're interested in learning more, like we do have a website that you can just search for Microsoft mixed reality capture studio, and there's a website that's now actually out there that people can find us. And we have several research papers that have sort of been announced over the years, and we've sort of released them and not really broadcast them.  So you'll find lots of fun links and just examples of things we've captured and groups that we've worked with, and also we'll just have a lot more projects coming up in the future that we're announcing through that page. DONA SARKAR:  So you actually have mixed reality capture as a service. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  Mm-hmm. DONA SARKAR:  That's kind of amazing. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  Yeah. DONA SARKAR:  That is fabulous. Thank you so much for letting us crash this space - SPENCER REYNOLDS:  Thank you. DONA SARKAR:  -- and showing us where all the zombie magic happens. SPENCER REYNOLDS:  This is the spot. JASON HOWARD:  There's no limit to the kinds of content we will see in mixed reality in the coming months and years.  It's going to be exciting to see what developers and designers come up with for this new technology. Thanks for listening to part two of our series on mixed reality.  If you liked this episode, subscribe on your favorite podcast app and share it with your friends.  And be sure to join us next time on the Windows Insider Podcast.  Thanks, Insiders. NARRATION:  Our program today was produced by Microsoft Production Studios. The Insider team includes Tyler Ahn, Michelle Paison, and Amelia Greim. 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