Podcasts about Enablement

How can you identify what naturally gives your child energy and joy?In episode 119 Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson explore how the Working Genius model can help you better understand, affirm, and guide your children. They explain why trying to make children more well-rounded can unintentionally suppress the qualities that make them unique. You will learn how curiosity, affirmation, and awareness of your own wiring can help your children feel seen and become more confident in who they are.Topics explored in this episode: (00:00) Parenting as a Leadership RolePatrick explains why understanding a child's Working Genius can help parents affirm natural instincts instead of treating them like problems.Patrick and Cody frame the family as an important organization that deserves the same intentional leadership and development often reserved for the workplace.(04:06) Discovering How Your Child Is WiredParents can begin identifying a child's genius by observing what gives them energy, what frustrates them, and what they naturally choose to do.Cody encourages parents to lead with curiosity rather than assuming their role is to straighten out or reshape a child's natural tendencies.(07:28) Affirming Features Instead of Fixing FlawsPatrick and Cody give examples of how parents can affirm children with Wonder, Galvanizing, Discernment, and Invention.They explain how seemingly harmless corrections can communicate that a child's deepest instincts are defects that need to be suppressed.(11:46) Letting Children Use Their GiftsThe hosts examine how Enablement and Tenacity can be misunderstood when parents prioritize independence, relaxation, or conventional ideas of balance.Affirming a child's genius creates the trust needed to guide them when they overuse a strength without making them feel ashamed of it.(15:22) How a Parent's Genius Shapes the HomeParents can reduce guilt and judgment by recognizing how their own geniuses and frustrations influence the way they lead and respond to their children.Sharing strengths and limitations with children teaches them that nobody is good at everything and frees them to pursue careers aligned with their own gifts.This episode of The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. The Six Types of Working Genius model helps you discover your natural gifts and thrive in your work and life. When you're able to better understand the types of work that bring you more energy and fulfillment and avoid work that leads to frustration and failure, you can be more self-aware, more productive, and more successful. Take the assessment today to discover your natural gifts and thrive at work: https://workinggenius.me/about Subscribe for more content from Patrick Lencioni @PatrickLencioniOfficialStay Connected with Patrick LencioniLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealthInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/patricklencioniofficialTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@patricklencioniofficialX: https://x.com/patricklencioniThe Working Genius Podcast with Patrick LencioniApple: https://workinggenius.me/apple Spotify: https://workinggenius.me/sptfy YouTube: https://workinggenius.me/wgyt Be sure to check out our other podcast, At The Table with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://tablegroup.me/apple), Spotify (https://tablegroup.me/sptfy), and YouTube (https://tablegroup.me/youtube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.

Craig Patterson, global channel chief at Exabeam For years, SIEM has been one of those technologies that looked good in theory but was genuinely hard to build a profitable managed service around. Deal-by-deal discount negotiations, licensing structures built for enterprise resale rather than recurring managed services revenue, and no predictable floor on margin. For many MSPs, the math just never worked. Exabeam – the combined company formed from the merger of the original Exabeam and LogRhythm – is making a direct play to change that. Global channel chief Craig Patterson and senior director of service provider alliances Peter Stratis join In The Channel to walk through the new MSSP commercial framework inside the recently launched APEX Partner Program. Two new licensing pathways: a single-pool capacity model for high-volume, multi-tenant environments serving SMB and mid-market clients, and a federated subscription model that isolates customer environments for compliance and data sovereignty requirements. For Canadian MSSPs navigating PIPEDA, OSFI E-21, or Protected B, that second model is the one to pay close attention to. Peter Stratis, senior directof of server provider alliances at Exabeam The conversation also covers Sherpa, Exabeam’s new AI-powered partner enablement platform – a move away from the traditional LMS toward an always-on coaching tool that can join partner sales calls in real time – and Agent Behavior Analytics, Exabeam’s new capability for detecting malfunctioning, misaligned, and subverted AI agents inside customer environments, included at no additional cost. The standout line from Peter Stratis – who called this his first-ever podcast appearance – is the one worth writing down: “We treated our service providers like resellers, unfortunately.” The new framework is a direct acknowledgment of that history, and an attempt to rebuild the commercial relationship from the ground up. Read Full Transcript Robert Dutt: Hello and welcome to In The Channel from ChannelBuzz.ca, bringing news and information to the Canadian IT channel community for the last 16 years. I’m Robert Dutt, editor of ChannelBuzz.ca and your host for the show. If you’ve been in the channel for any length of time, you know that SIEM has always been one of those technologies that seems great in theory but has been genuinely hard to build a profitable managed service around. Licensing models that weren’t built for multi-tenancy, unpredictable costs, discount structures that made margin planning more of a guessing game than a business model. A lot of MSPs have looked at the security operations space and quietly backed away for exactly those reasons. Exabeam, the combined company that emerged out of the merger of Exabeam and LogRhythm, is making a direct play to change that. They have overhauled their channel program into what they’re calling the APEX Partner Program and at the centre of it is a new commercial framework built specifically for managed security service providers. Two distinct pathways: one for high-volume multi-tenant environments and one built with compliance and data sovereignty in mind. For Canadian MSPs navigating PIPEDA, OSFI E-21 and Protected B requirements, that second lane is worth paying close attention to. I’ve got two Exabeam executives here to walk us through it. Craig Patterson is Exabeam’s global channel chief and Peter Stratis is the senior director of service provider alliances, the person who’s been working directly with MSSPs to build this out from the ground up. Let’s get right into it. My chat with Craig Patterson and Peter Stratis. Gentlemen, thank you for taking the time. Craig Patterson: Thank you, Robert. Super excited to be on here with you today, my friend. Peter Stratis: Thank you. Robert Dutt: Craig, can you just kick us off with a quick version of where Exabeam sits right now? You know, you guys went through a significant merger with LogRhythm not that long ago. Now you’re pushing an updated partner program. For solution providers who maybe haven’t been following closely, what does the combined company look like from a channel perspective? Craig Patterson: The short answer, my friend, is that we’re sitting in an amazing place. We’re absolutely in a good place positioning to really drive value to our partner community. And so to give you a little more context around that, like you asked, we’ve spent the last 12 months really kind of rethinking, reimagining the whole partner ecosystem in a way to create value for all of our partners globally. And so there was a number of things we went through over the last 12 months. We spent a lot of time really going to this assessment loop, understanding everybody’s perspective. So we did that by having very strategic conversations with our top-tier partners. We did some survey work. We looked at the broad landscape in terms of the trends that the partners are really looking for in these modern channel programs. So all of that really became this assessment loop. The output of that is that really became the foundation for what we built here with APEX. And so with APEX, the Exabeam APEX Partner Program, what you have here is you have a program that’s really centered on value that’s really focused on solving a problem that exists in our market today around enablement. And so when you think about enablement today, I’ve written a lot of articles on this. Most enablement programs really don’t drive to the level of outcome that companies are looking to have. Outcomes like conversion rates, outcomes like time to first deal, outcome rates like retention rates, all these things. And so what we’ve done is we’ve really focused on enablement as the key catalyst to really drive value to our partners. And so with that, we’ve launched new enablement programs really with a focus on increasing their competency level so we can align to those outcomes we’re looking to have with our company’s operating plan. And so there’s a lot of thought that’s got into this. The short answer is we have a program that’s built on value. It aligns to where the market is going and what partners are really asking for. Robert Dutt: Peter, your title as senior director of service provider alliances is a pretty specific role. Can you tell us a little bit about what that looks like sort of on a day-to-day basis and the big problems that you’re focused on? Peter Stratis: Sure thing. Thanks, Robert. Well, I’ve been with Exabeam for about eight years now and service providers have always been a key component of not only our channel strategy, but our go-to-market and just from our net new revenue perspective. After our merger with LogRhythm, that actually continues and if anything, it’s only been more emphasized because both from an on-prem and from a cloud perspective, we see the MSSPs being a strong driver of that strategy of our go-to-market. So over the last eight years, we’ve seen that trend of not only on net new revenue, net new logos being a major part of our business, but then how do, to Craig’s point, how do we support them? To be quite honest, in the past, it was quite difficult. We really didn’t have any kind of structured pricing for these partners. It was, to say the least, it was more of a resale program that had some discounts tied to it. So through Craig’s efforts, through our whole surveys and our intent to really go after this market and treat them the way they should be treated, he mentioned that we did these surveys. We asked internally, what do you look for in a service provider partner? We asked externally what these partners were looking for from us. And that’s when in building the APEX Partner Program here at Exabeam, we also took into account what service providers would look for in a new partner program. So that’s everything from pricing to support. Craig mentioned enablement. Enablement is a huge part of that, where they felt in the past they were just lumped up as just a regular partner. Now we have supported APIs, documented APIs that most, if not all, of our partners are using as part of their foundation for their services. So we’ve really come a long way and continue actually to build upon that, as you’ll see throughout 2026 and beyond. Robert Dutt: Okay, let’s get into the framework itself. You guys positioned it at launch as solving commercial and operational friction for MSSPs. Curious, what did you hear that friction looked like in practice? What were MSSPs telling you was broken or was a big challenge? Craig Patterson: Yeah, so I’ll take a stab at this and I’ll let Peter give more context. So a lot of this came out during that assessment phase. Robert, we’re talking to the MSSPs globally. I’m like, what’s working? What’s not working? What would they like to see incorporated into the MSSP program 2.0? So a lot of the feedback we heard was really around the flexibility. Being able to have a license that is catering to all the customer demand they have beneath. So it’s really giving them the flexibility to buy that one license and carve it up as they see fit. And giving them more flexibility on the commercial terms. That was a lot of the commentary we heard. The other thing we heard was really they wanted more value as it leads to the enablement side. So obviously getting them enabled on the pre-sales side, but more importantly on the post-sales side. So they could actually drive those implementations, drive the management and really help those customers create a lot of value. And so I think those were kind of the big levers that I heard from those assessments. And then in practice, Peter can give you some more context in terms of how we’re putting all this together. Peter Stratis: Yeah, thanks Craig. A lot of what we heard from the service provider community in the past was friction. So when they’re trying to price out their services and our product and etc., they were seeing friction at onboarding. They were seeing friction in trying to predict their margin on deals. As mentioned, not airing any dirty laundry here. It was more like a resale program. So we gave discounts and there were very opportunistic discounts on a deal-by-deal basis. So they didn’t build predictable service models around it in the past. And then you always hear the buzzword, multi-tenancy. We kept on getting asked about our multi-tenant roadmaps, etc. We’re looking at this framework as a way of solving for that. We continue to make feature enhancements into the platform that will strive for that multi-tenancy. But the way we’re solving for it is by these two pathways. One is that single license, pooled capacity, data segregation model. And the other is that federated workflow that we announced where it’s more for, whether you’re within data sovereignty, if in different regions or just different use cases from a compliance perspective, whether it’s healthcare or finance, and you have to keep these environments isolated. We have a plan and we worked with our MSSPs specifically to have these kind of pathways. So we heard from our MSSPs and we actually developed these two pathways with them in mind. So they were in the design phase and in the rollout phase for both federated and the single pool capacity. Robert Dutt: The federated model is such an interesting one, I think, for the Canadian market, specifically data sovereignty, huge topic. And there are specific compliance requirements, PIPEDA, OSFI E-21, Protected B status. It means that a lot of Canadian MSSPs can’t just kind of throw everything into one pool. Was that the sort of thing that was explicitly on the radar when you built this out or a happy coincidence of the architecture and the feedback that you heard along the way? Peter Stratis: It’s actually a little of both, right? So it just so happened to be the maturity of our platform. Even from our Exabeam New Scale platform, we went from an on-prem hardware appliance way back in 2012, to our version 1.0 was a SaaS product, to our native cloud. It was always a single-tenant solution. So it worked well for certain service providers that had the capacity. They had their APIs and their own platforms that could manage this solution. As you heard more and more about multi-tenancy and the need for data sovereignty and all that, we still had a big part of our MSSPs were asking for this single license pooled capacity. So we structured it in a way where for midsize organizations or even some small, medium business, you still have that single pool capacity using data segregation. You lose some of the customization, but you could actually solve for a lot of those customers in that model. And then you have another plan with the federated. So the more mature MSSPs are running both models in some capacity. They could still run that single license for their SMB play. And then for either large enterprise or very compliance-driven customers that want those isolated environments, they have that flexibility. And that’s what we built a framework around. Obviously, that’s one point of feedback that sort of directly informed the framework. Robert Dutt: You guys have said that this whole thing was built, as you said, with direct collaboration with your MSSP partners rather than kind of coming down on high. I’m curious along with what you’ve touched on already, what actually changed as a result of going through that process? What did you go in thinking you’d build and how did it come out differently because of what partners told you along the way to building it? Craig Patterson: Yeah. So I think there’s a lot of things that have been addressed. Obviously, the packaging and the commercial aspects as Peter was describing, but think about some of the fundamental problems in terms of partners want this path to profitability, right? Really understanding how they can create margin. That was one thing. Another path is like, how do I become enabled with Exabeam? And how do I stay informed in terms of where you’re going? Another problem we wanted to solve. So I think it’s a lot around the financial aspects of doing business with us. A lot of it’s around becoming enabled, becoming more knowledgeable on all the new features and releases that we’re dropping. And so those were some of the big fundamentals that we wanted to solve in the APEX framework. And then beneath that, obviously, is the whole MSSP play. And that’s what Peter’s been talking about. So you can probably give a little more context on that. Peter Stratis: Yeah. As mentioned, there is no one-size-fits-all. So the feedback we were getting was obviously their security platform was important to them. Some of them had an in-house platform they built on their own. And there’s ways of differentiating. So basic SIEMs are just going after alert monitoring. So how can I differentiate my service if I’m a service provider? Well, there’s ways of going to market, but also there were things we needed to do in the back office from a platform perspective to make those possible. So making our behavioral analytics available in these models so they can actually differentiate their services. As I said, we have a history of actually adding features quarter-over-quarter, month-over-month. So that’s not stopping. We didn’t announce necessarily multi-tenancy to the world. We announced a commercial framework for that. So you’ll continue to see on a month-to-month, quarter-over-quarter basis, features added to support not only the commercial framework, but the underlying platform to make it easier for service providers to add that operational efficiency, to add those differentiators from a product portfolio as well. Robert Dutt: Let’s talk about the economics underneath there. You use the term predictable margins as a phrase that shows up in the messaging. SIEM has historically been a tough service to make money on. Licensing models that didn’t fit the managed services motion, unpredictable costs on data ingestion, those sorts of things. What specifically changes for an MSSP’s P&L under the framework? Craig Patterson: Yeah. So I think there’s really two components here. The first is the whole financial package associated to the MSSP partners. And the second is the discounting framework. And so let’s maybe start with the discounting framework. One of the observations that we made during this whole assessment phase was the vast majority, Robert, of all of our deals were flowing through this non-standard process, which means the discounts that were aligned to the traditional framework were not putting the MSSP partners in a position to actually transact. And so what we did is we went through and we re-looked at the discounting framework and sort of realigned it based upon our actual data points. We looked at the last 12, 24 months, the discounts that were being derived to actually transact. And we sort of rebuilt the entire discounting framework for our company in a way that really empowers the MSSP partners now to have enough discount to actually transact without going to this non-standard queue. So what does it mean? Well, we really kind of flipped the script. Instead of 80% being non-standard, we believe 80% will flow through the standard process now because we’ve built the discounts in a way to align with what the market is looking for. That’s kind of the key component number one. And then as it relates to the discounting side, we reimagined how those discounts are calculated. And so now you kind of have your standard program discount. So that’s based upon your tier. So top-tier MSSP partners get the highest level discount. The second is deal registration. Obviously, they put the deal reg in that ties to a discount. Those are both standard common things. But what’s new, which is what you care about. What is new? Well, we’ve aligned the third discount based to their competency level. And so we measure that based upon certifications. And so if you think back to those choose-your-own-adventure books as a kid, we’re really giving the partners their own choose-your-own-adventure. And if they want to drive to the highest level discount, well, simply, MSSP partners got to go take all of our certifications, pre-sales and post-sales, so they have the highest level of competency to drive our services in the market. And our thesis around that is partners that have higher certifications, they’re going to be more active, they’re going to be more interested, they’re going to drive more pipeline. And if we do this the right way, Robert, they’re actually going to convert at a higher percentage, we’re going to see shortened sales cycles, all of which align to the operating plan of our company. So it’s kind of those two fundamental things that were addressed through that process. And then I’m sure Peter can fill in the detail for you. Peter Stratis: Yeah, if I can actually elaborate on that. Thanks for that, Craig. And just some historical context, Robert, as mentioned in the past, we treated our service providers like resellers, unfortunately, so it was very deal-specific in terms of what they were getting on a deal-by-deal basis from a discount. So the economics of it was they really couldn’t rationalize their margin predictability on an overall services basis. And you know, different regions go to market different ways. In Europe, Asia, Latin America, predominantly, it’s all SIEM as a service and MSSP owns the license. In the Americas, both US and Canada, we saw a lot of proliferation in the past of customer-owned licenses. So the MSSP would resell the license, and consequently, just provide managed services wrap on top of that. Not only do we see more of that MSSP-owned model now where it’s SIEM as a service in the US and Canada. So it’s proliferated itself throughout all the regions. Now with these frameworks, we actually are able to build these economics, the margin predictability, as Craig mentioned, because now they know as a standard, what they’re going to be selling for. So especially as we do this federated model, and even the single license, you know what your price is across the board, you know what license you’re buying, you know what price you’re buying it for, you know, the more customers you add to these models, the more your profitability will increase as well. So it continues to grow from a pure profit play. Partners want to know what their margin would be as their customer licenses grow. And this is exactly what the framework did. Robert Dutt: This is sort of a broader question around MSP/MSSP distinctions as opposed to directly about the framework. But there’s a distinction worth drawing between an MSP trying to bolt a security practice onto the existing managed services business and the established MSSP who’s been at this for a year or who has built it up. Are those two different conversations for you? And if so, what are the different entry points and care-abouts? Peter Stratis: So it’s interesting, not only because of this announcement, even prior to it, the announcement of the APEX Partner Program here at Exabeam caused a lot of interest from partners and different kinds of partners. The traditional MSP, when inquiring, it was kind of hard when we were vetting them that they had no security practice of their own. So oftentimes they would actually outsource that security to an MSSP, to a classic MSSP, or maybe just resell services from those other organizations. We see that, we see a lot of interest from MSPs with that. And we see VARs or resellers come to us that want to build managed service practices as well. So we look at both of these in two different ways. One, how can we take care of these partner inquiries now, and then how can we grow with these organizations? So both MSPs and resellers that are interested in managed services now, our first inkling is to try to introduce them to our current managed service base. These people have the experience, they have the certifications, they have the technical knowledge. We’ve seen that move from a lot of MSP partners actually having channels of their own. So they actually sell their MDR or MSSP services through a channel of resellers or MSPs. But then if that’s our first step with these type of partnerships, then it’s like, how can we grow within your organization? How can we help you get the technical skills required? Because for a true MSP to have success, not only in SIEM, but just security as a service, you can’t just train one or two people, you need the 24-by-7 support, you need the tier one and tier two level of support services as well. So you have to grow your organization or outsource it to people that are already prepared to handle that. So that MSP play, we actually see it more and more going towards our current managed security service providers and getting that as a resource. Craig Patterson: Just to add a little more context to that too. So this actually becomes a very interesting point for the distributors worldwide as well. Because a lot of what they provide in terms of value is helping those MSPs in terms of deployment and management of the services. And so we’ve gone through the vetting process globally, looking at all of our distributors and we’ve handpicked our strategic distributors around the world. So if we have MSPs that want to come into the program, but they’re not ready on that post-sale side, well, guess what? That can become the role of the distributor. And secondarily, this is where the enablement really comes into play as well. And so that’s why we’ve built very specific paths on enablement, pre-sales and post-sales, where partners can choose their own adventure. “Hey, if I want to get going on the pre-sale side, well, guess what? I can simply resell.” Or, “Hey, I want to really start focusing on the post-sales services implementation.” I can start to take the enablement around those courses to become more of an expert to really give me those new capabilities. And so there’s a whole conversation around what we’re doing on enablement with our brand new Sherpa that’s really given a lot of these partners those capabilities. Robert Dutt: On the note of Sherpa, an AI-powered tool for partners, it’s essentially a virtual channel account manager in terms of enablement, onboarding, that sort of thing, especially for an MSSP who’s new to SIEM. How does it change the friction of getting started with Exabeam as their platform? Craig Patterson: You’re going to love this. You’re going to love this. So we’ve sort of reimagined all of the enablement. Again, when you look at traditional enablement, it’s like most enablement is built in these LMS platforms. Like, “Hey, partner, go log on to this LMS platform, get your certification, and then we expect you to actually know what the hell you’re doing.” Reality is that’s not what happens. They log on to the LMS platforms. They fast-forward as quickly as they can to the end. They turn the volume down. And then when the quiz comes, they use AI to answer the questions. And so they just find a way to get the certification. The reality is none of that helps them be better in life or actually raise their competency. And so that’s a problem we took on head-on with Sherpa. And so Sherpa was built in a way to really change the way partners learn with the whole goal of raising their competency level so they can be better on the market. And there was really like three use cases we were trying to solve with the emergence of Sherpa. The first is like you think about this global ecosystem that Peter and I have. We have 3000 partners. The partner ecosystem looks different. We have VARs. We have MSPs. We have MSSPs. We have distributors. We have the trusted advisor market as well. All of them have different needs in terms of where they are from a learning perspective. And so the first use case, Robert, is simply like a tool to be able to ask questions. What are the use cases? How do I position this? Why is SIEM or UEBA better than the competition? Just an always-on tool for partners to ask questions. And so that was kind of use case one. And then the cool thing around that is you think about the ecosystem being very global in nature. The other problem with LMS platforms is I’ve got partners in Japan. Well, that means the LMS platform they log on to needs to be able to talk to them in Japanese. And so the beauty with Sherpa, it does all the translation for us. And we’ve got 15 plus languages that are now live in Sherpa. Partners in Japan are talking to it. We got partners in India and all over the world really asking questions in terms of how we position our services. And that integration can be done by just logging on to our portal. You’ll see a bot pop up. They can just simply ask a question. It integrates in Teams, integrates in Slack. So that was use case number one. Use case number two was we reimagined the whole enablement certification platform. And so it’s a very dynamic learning experience. And so the way it happens is you log on, there’s a topic that you like, you click on that, you start learning, it asks you questions, it asks you to position services, and then you record your answer to how you’re actually positioning those services or the features. And it gives you feedback like, “Robert, you did really good on this aspect, but next time you should use this and this.” Or, “Robert, if you’re talking to a customer that’s in this vertical, you should talk about this use case because that’ll help resonate.” And so the whole certification process has been rebuilt and that’s the second use case. The third use case, this is a game changer. And this really goes to your question. And it’s an always-on coach. And so partners are now able to invite Sherpa to calls. And so as they’re having those conversations with customers, and the customer may say something or give them an objection, well, in the background, Sherpa will give them the answer to that objection and say, “Customer said this, talk to them about this.” Or, “Have you shared this new feature that was just released in the quarterly launch?” So it’s like this always-on coach, always-on assistant to really give them what they need. And then we’re putting it on this innovation roadmap. And so every single quarter, we’re launching new innovation in Sherpa. As an example, we’re now launching our LinkedIn integration. So if you’re an MSSP partner, you log on to Sherpa, you’re connected to LinkedIn, it’s going to ask you, if Sherpa can look through your network to find customers that may be a good fit for our services. And then it’ll say, “Okay, great. We found these contacts. Should we go ahead and write the campaign? Should we write a campaign that you can use to send to those customers in your ecosystem on LinkedIn?” And so quite honestly, I think we’re bleeding edge in terms of really being able to use AI and adopt AI in a way to drive good outcomes, well beyond where most companies are with their simple ChatGPT things like that. We’re actually driving outcomes. Robert Dutt: The rise of AI baked into the partner program and partner tools is a fascinating space for me to watch. And that certainly, you make a compelling case for the role of Sherpa there. That sounds really interesting. A quick one on the product side, not directly related here, but just out of curiosity, Exabeam just dropped Agent Behavior Analytics in your April release, sort of extending behavioral detection to AI agents, ChatGPT usage, Copilot activity, those kinds of things. For an MSSP looking to take this to market as a service, is it a new revenue line? Is it an upsell? Or is this sort of becoming table stakes that clients expect to see bundled into what you’re doing for them? Craig Patterson: I’m glad you asked. It was just recently at RSA, the conference, obviously AI is the buzzword, but what do you do with that? When we presented the agentic behavior analytics to a lot of our partners or potential new customers, the question that was often asked was, “Well, how much is this extra?” And that’s not how we license our product. So the behavior analytics has been part of our solution since our inception from our analytics model. So specific to AI, this is going to be, you could differentiate your service from other service providers by using this behavior analytics, but by no means is it an extra cost on the MSSP’s behalf. So they’re going into an organization that has a thousand users, human entities, and overnight they now have 10,000 non-human entities. We look at and model all of them using our analytics. So now you actually have at least a basis of what’s normal from a behavior standpoint for both non-human and human entities. So we really change the game, but haven’t changed the pricing along with it. So it comes naturally within our platform. So no change for me as a partner, but if I can find a way to upsell based on it, all the better. If not, I add additional features. Hopefully my customer is more happy. Peter Stratis: I was just going to say, if you look at the macro trends we’re seeing, this is the number one conversation that’s being had right now, especially like you look at the financial sector. Every single company is facing this problem. And so this really, not only does it give them a new use case to go after, I think it just makes the overall security services of Exabeam more relevant based upon what’s happening in the overall market, which all that makes the revenue stickier, makes those conversations more impactful that those MSSP partners are having. Craig Patterson: Yeah. Well, what I’m going to mention is operational efficiency and service differentiation is what’s key to our MSSPs and their success. So the license is foundational. And now that we’ve actually solved for being predictable from a margin perspective, how can they differentiate themselves, making them operationally efficient using automation, using our threat detection, and then also the service differentiation. And the other thing too, just thinking through this a little bit, I mean, there’s different AI agents that exist out there that are doing different things. You think about the malfunctioning agent, the one that’s just off base and it’s doing things that are just incorrect based upon the fundamentals or foundation of the AI agent. That’s one thing that gets addressed by looking at the abnormal behavior. The second is the misaligned agent, the ones that are pursuing goals in a way that could negatively impact the company. And that gets a little bit more scary. But really what gets scary is those subverted agents, the ones that have been hijacked that are actually causing harm. And so you think about all those different use cases that are happening, and that’s the beauty of what we just released is our new ABA, sort of creating this new category in the market. That’s really what our ABA is looking for, is all those different things that are happening, whether it’s misused, misaligned, or subverted. All that can be detected through this new agent behavior. Robert Dutt: Okay, last question for me. If I’m an MSP who’s been sitting on the sidelines, I’ve been thinking about them or are upgrading my security operations practice. What’s one thing that you wish I understood about the opportunity and the economics, but I probably don’t at this point? Peter Stratis: It’s all about how they actually start off. They’re interested in selling managed security, but they don’t know that they have to standardize their delivery model. They can’t make it where every customer is custom, because that’s when that price predictability goes away. So everything from onboarding to customizing your offering has to go away. You might be able to do it for a certain amount of customers, but you have to build a model that’s repeatable. Automation is going to be very important to that. And then finally, you could add optional add-ons, but you have to resist the temptation to over-customize everything. The great thing about what Craig has done with the APEX Partner Program and the way we built it out here at Exabeam is it supports all of this through all the enablement efforts. So Craig mentioned all the enablement built into the program, but then we have certification tracks. So we’ll help you along in that process. And we have everything from APIs and the use case and the scripts to help you automate that track for you to make it easier, but just don’t jump in and try to do a custom solution for each customer. Robert Dutt: Gentlemen, I thank you very much for your time. Once again, I appreciate your walking us through the commercial framework. Craig Patterson: Thank you, Robert. Appreciate it. Peter Stratis: Thank you, Robert. Robert Dutt: There you have it. Craig Patterson and Peter Stratis from Exabeam. I’d like to thank Craig and Peter for their time today. And a special note, this was Peter’s first podcast appearance. You never would have known it. A few things I’ll leave you with. First, if Peter’s candid admission landed for you — that Exabeam used to treat service providers like resellers with opportunistic deal-by-deal discounts that made it impossible to build a predictable margin — sit with that for a moment. Not unique to Exabeam. That was the industry. And it goes a long way to explaining why so many MSPs have struggled to make managed SIEM work as a business. The new framework is a direct attempt to fix that math. Two pathways: a single-pool capacity model that works well for SMB and mid-market clients, and a federated model that isolates environments for compliance-heavy customers. The discounting structure has been rebuilt from the data up with the goal of moving 80% of deals through a standard process. Up from what Craig described as the opposite of that. The Sherpa AI tool is worth watching closely, not just as a training platform replacement, but as an always-on coach that can actually sit in on partner sales calls and surface real-time objection handling. The LinkedIn integration is coming next, and it starts looking less like an LMS and more like a business development tool. And the closing advice I’ll leave you with is Peter’s. If you’re an MSP thinking about entering the security space, standardize your delivery model before you take on your first customer. Resist the urge to customize every environment. That’s exactly where price predictability and profitability goes away. Thanks as always for listening. In The Channel is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, and all the major podcast directories. If you’re finding value in the show, leave a rating or review. It goes a long way to helping other folks in the channel find us. Until next time, I’m Robert Dutt for ChannelBuzz.ca, and I’ll see you in the channel.

According to research by Gartner, by 2029, sales organizations with AI-driven enablement functions will achieve 40% faster sales stage velocity than those using more traditional approaches. But getting there means building the kind of workflows that tell you what actually works, which is only possible when you can see inside the conversations that selling actually happens in. If you can’t, you might just find yourself scaling an AI-powered program that’s completely misaligned with how your sellers sell and how your buyers buy. So how do you understand what your teams need, and then build an innovative, mature, AI-powered enablement program to match? Riley Rogers: Welcome to the Win/Win Podcast. I’m your host, Riley Rogers. Join us as we dive into changing trends in the workplace and how to navigate them successfully. Here to discuss this topic is Jill Sawyer, Director of Sales Enablement at RL Datix. Thank you so much for joining us today, Jill. I’m really excited to have you here. I think we’ve got a very fun conversation ahead. Could you give us a little bit of an overview of who you are, what your background is, and your work today? Jill Sawyer: Yeah, absolutely. First, thanks so much for having me. I’m super excited to be here. Currently, I sit as the Director of Sales Enablement for North America at RL Datix. I’ve been here for a little over seven and a half years. JS: My background is a bit non-traditional for sales enablement. I started more on the marketing and product marketing side. I moved into the enablement role a few years ago, a little bit over two and a half years ago, but I was really stepping into a function that needed to be built from the ground up. That meant figuring out not just what sellers needed to know, but how to help them actually use it in moments that matter. I’ve also recently gone back to school. I’m currently pursuing my Master’s of Jurisprudence in Health Law at Loyola University Chicago, which has been really valuable in this role. Our customers operate in a highly regulated healthcare environment, so understanding more about compliance, patient safety, risk, and legal frameworks helps me think differently about what our sellers need to understand and how we support them. RR: And you wear so many hats through it all. I’m really excited to see how all of this comes into play in your work today. But before we jump into what you’re working on now, could you give us a little bit of an overview of your sales environment? JS: Yeah. So the way I usually describe RL Datix is that we sit at an intersection of healthcare safety, risk compliance, and operational reliability. Our customers are health systems and hospitals that are trying to solve problems with very real stakes. They’re trying to either prevent harm, respond appropriately when something does go wrong, or maintain regulatory readiness. So it makes our sales environment really complex because those problems rarely belong to one department or one singular buyer. The buying committee can be really broad, and each stakeholder is looking at the problem through a different lens. So for our sellers, the challenge is being able to zoom in and zoom out. They need to understand specific workflows, not only within our product, but within the landscape. But they also need to connect that workflow to the larger operational and strategic priorities of our customers. This is where enablement for us becomes really important. I’m helping translate complex healthcare problems into clear, relevant conversations about value and outcomes and how RL Datix helps raise the standard of care. RR: So a lot for sellers to juggle, and a lot for you to help them juggle, especially because you built the enablement function largely from scratch. While doing so, you were learning what sales enablement as a concept is, what the function should look like, and how you should tailor it to your specific environment. So how did coming in without a more traditional enablement background change the way you thought about what to build, and was that kind of an advantage? JS: Yeah, so I think coming in without a traditional enablement background shaped our function in a really positive way. Since I’ve come from marketing and product marketing, I was always really thinking about our audience, message, positioning, and customer value. But when I moved over into enablement, I quickly realized that having the right message or right content was only part of the equation. I needed to help our field know how to use it in real customer conversations. I really came in thinking about what my sales reps actually need to be more confident, more consistent, and ultimately more effective. Of course, sellers needed content, but they also needed guidance, learning, reinforcement. Our leaders needed coaching and better visibility into what was working and what wasn’t. So in some ways, I approached enablement like building a product. My sellers were the users, the sales process was our workflow, and it was my job to understand their friction points and build them something that made it easier to have stronger customer conversations. RR: I love that. It’s enablement, but make it product marketing. You listed out some things that were important for sellers and things that were important for your leaders, and all of this you had to build from scratch. So as you were looking across what needed to happen, what your first few check boxes on the to-do list were, a key first step was assessing what you had and what you needed. How had RL Datix been supporting its sellers, and where did you start to see those first few gaps? JS: Yeah. When I first stepped into the role, we had a lot of strong subject matter expertise and a ton of people supporting the field in a variety of different ways. The issue wasn’t that our support structure didn’t exist, it was that it wasn’t really connected or, quite frankly, easy to scale. I had a lot of content, but it lived in a variety of different places. We had trainings, but much of it was event-based or dependent on live sessions and then going back and watching re-recordings. I needed to make sure my sellers were hearing the same message and had access to the same guidance on how we wanted our customers to hear about RL Datix and our offerings. And I needed visibility, not only for enablement, but for collaborative teams like product marketing and product, into what was actually being used, what was resonating with our customers, and where we still needed to support the field. So my final assessment really shaped the foundation that we built. It was truly creating what I call that connected enablement environment that could support sellers in the flow of their day-to-day work. RR: Yeah, and I think a recurring theme through all of this is that there were levers to pull, content to create, training to centralize, all of these things, but that wasn’t the end goal. The end goal was that when a seller hits the field, when a seller is on a Zoom call, they’re saying the right things, and they’re not just reading off bullets, they’re tailoring it because they know it and they know it well. So you’re looking at what you need to do. You have your content, you’re beginning to get it centralized and organized, your training is in place, you have data on what reps are using, you’re building. But you still can’t see inside the conversations that sellers are having to understand whether all of that work is, for lack of a better word, working. So what challenges did that lack of visibility create, and why did you start thinking that maybe a conversational intelligence tool was that next step forward? JS: Yeah. So when we brought Highspot in, we truly started with a baseline foundation. Before I could do anything more advanced, I needed to, step one, make it easier for sellers to just find what they needed and understand how to use it. It may sound really basic, but it was a huge step forward because it helped us connect content to the way sellers were actually selling. It also gave us a huge level of visibility. I could start to see what reps were using and what they were not using, to identify those true gaps. But the missing piece was actually our customer conversations. I could easily know if a rep opened a deck or completed a course, but I still didn’t know how that translated when they were in front of a customer. Were they asking strong discovery questions? Were they connecting the message to the customer’s priorities? How were we handling objections? What were we hearing? Without that level of visibility, there was still a lot of guesswork. Enablement, product marketing, product, and sales leaders were all trying to support the field, but a lot of times we were relying on anecdotal feedback or even secondhand information. Conversational intelligence really helped close that gap, and that foundation is really what made the next phase possible. Once we had the content, the training, and guidance all in one spot, I could start to think about how to layer other pieces in, like coaching, conversational intelligence, and eventually deal-level insights on top of it. RR: When you first had that line of sight into the field and what they were actually coming up against, was there anything that you didn’t expect that came through? Things that sellers were either saying that you were like, “Oh my gosh, have you been saying this for the last umpteen months?” Or that you had no idea they were running into that was a problem. You were like, “Oh, we should’ve been helping with this,” or, “We could be enabling differently.” JS: Yeah. I think for us, what it really helped open up was just the level of content that I needed. We had really great high-level intro, top-of-funnel materials, and then I would jump very quickly into technical documents. So I needed to be able to, like you said earlier, customize, and that was a gap that became pretty quickly consistent, that I needed to bring a middle-of-the-road option to help ultimately fast-track opportunities to close. It’s something that we’re still actively working through today. RR: Once you had that line of sight, not only into real-world conversations, but the analytics into usage that we’re talking about, what difference did that make for you and other cross-functional teams? We have this example of middle-of-the-funnel content, realizing this is a necessity and maybe we aren’t serving it. But were there any other moments that made it very clear this was helpful? JS: Yeah. It just gives me, and our whole company honestly, a much better shared understanding of what actually is happening in the field. From an enablement standpoint, it helps us see where reps were confident and where they needed support. Were they asking discovery questions? Were they connecting the message to customer priorities? It helped us figure out if there were gaps and ultimately skills I needed to help upskill. For our leaders, it gives them more specific coaching moments. So instead of coaching from memory or only from a pipeline update, they have the ability to coach from real customer interactions without having to sit in live on 50 calls a week. It also helped open up a level of visibility across cross-functional teams. Product marketing can come in and review whether messaging is landing, whether the decking is being used. They also get a great depth of understanding around customer questions, objections, and needs, more directly. So I’m not relying only on select feedback or the loudest feedback in the room. I use real customer conversation to keep improving our full enablement environment. RR: And as you alluded to, you’re beginning to use Deal Agent to capture deal-level insights and start to act on them. So how do you see it adding value to the environment you’ve already built and the environment you’ve already got your sellers comfortable using? JS: Yeah, Deal Agent is something we’re really excited about. We just launched it and had a full all-sales meeting with our Highspot customer success team, and it’s really that next layer of a foundation we’ve already built. We started with getting content and training all in one place. Now we’re layering in conversational intelligence, but Deal Agent is going to take that a step further for us by connecting the conversations and insights we’re gathering back to the opportunity level. This is really important for us because our sellers and our leaders don’t just need to know what happened on a call, they need to understand what that ultimately means for the deal, for them to close business. Are they talking to the right stakeholders? Are priorities clear? Do we have risks we need to address? For our sales reps, I think the value is that it can reduce some of the manual work and help them stay focused on the right actions. For leaders, it gives clear visibility into deal health and where they may need to coach. For the rest of the organization, it gives us another level of insight, so I can look to see what patterns are building across opportunities. The AI agents built into it are amazing too, because they’re helping eliminate some admin burden by building Digital Rooms faster, with the content needed at that moment for that deal. RR: And I think what’s kind of interesting is that this is a vision you see, and you’re like, “I see so much value in this. I see what the potential is.” But it’s so new, and it’s such a new way of working for literally everybody. You’re not trying to roll out a program you’ve seen elsewhere, you’re on the cutting edge. So how have you been tackling things like the rollout, the behavior change, getting folks accustomed to this very new way of working? JS: Yeah. So for us, it was big. We didn’t really have any tools like this in place already. The biggest thing we’ve learned is that you cannot roll it out as just another tool. Sellers already have a lot of tools, and if something feels disconnected from their day-to-day workflow, adoption is going to be really difficult. So we tried to anchor the rollout in practical use cases. How does it help a rep prepare for a meeting? Does it help them follow up faster, remember what the customer actually said? For our sales leaders, we’re focusing now on that next phase of coaching and visibility, helping them find a better way to understand what’s happening in their field and coach their teams appropriately. But in all honesty, there is a bit of change management. It’s a different way of working for some reps. Some reps were super excited and dove in headfirst, and others really needed to see the value a few times before it clicked and became muscle memory. So I try to keep that adoption path clear and practical. I’m not asking people to change everything overnight. We’re helping them build small habits: review call summaries, look at action items, use that deal-level information to pressure test next steps, use Digital Rooms or Pitches to send content and see what customers are engaging with. The key for us was making it feel useful before making it feel mandatory. Once people saw that it could save them time and improve their follow-up, it became less intimidating, and after a certain period of time, I was actually able to pull down any old resources they may have had a habit of going back to. RR: And since you’ve gone live with both Highspot and Deal Agent, what have you heard from the field on how they’re responding to it? JS: Yeah, so anecdotally we’ve heard that being able to get those next action items and the call takeaway was a really big piece. Being able to more easily share back the call recording also saved some steps from how they used to do it before. Deal Agent is still relatively new for us, but I think where we’re honing in is the ability to slice data in different ways, by our sales forecasting, by our sales stages, and then really pairing that with a lot of the intelligence and reporting we already have in Salesforce. That gives us and our leadership a much deeper understanding of what’s truly happening and where leaders need to step in. RR: So to your point of don’t boil the ocean, there are a handful of use cases that your sellers like, that you like, that your leaders like, that are slowly building the muscle. And over time, things might change, new use cases might emerge, but as of right now, there are a few recurring things that it sounds like people really are finding useful. Super cool, I love that. And you touched on this a little bit, but I’d love to hear a little bit more about how this is helping you solve for some of the guesswork you were feeling. We talked about building without knowing what was being used by the field and what was landing. So now that you have that combination of conversation, deal data, and usage data, how does that change what you and other teams are building and providing to your reps? JS: Yeah. It really helped us move from a state of assumption to being evidence-backed. Before, I had a lot of smart people supporting the field, but we would build materials based on individual feedback or something needed for one deal, and assume it was scalable across all deals. It’s not necessarily a wrong way to do it, but it’s an incomplete way to do it. Now that I’ve got conversations and deal data all in one spot, I can start to pull out patterns. Where can I look to see what customers are actually asking? Where can I look to see what customers are actually engaging with? Is it the same consistent objection that keeps coming up, and are we answering it in the right way? For my team, it means we’re much more targeted. Maybe the answer is a new training. Maybe it’s a better talk track or coaching around certain areas of the sales process. It could be working with product marketing to create a new Sales Play, or a clearer way to help position our value. The biggest change is that we’re actively, every day, listening, learning, and adjusting based on what’s actually happening out in the field. RR: I love that. And I think that middle-of-the-funnel example is such a good example of how you can stitch all that information together and recognize that there’s a component of your strategy you can really pull on that might be particularly valuable. So I love that we have that, not only the high level of what it’s doing, but how it comes into play in the actual work happening. Okay, so looking back, a year ago now, a few months ago now with Deal Agent, from where you started to where you are now, what’s the biggest impact you’ve achieved, or the proudest moment that sticks with you? JS: I think the thing I’m most proud of is that we built something literally from the ground up, and it changed how enablement shows up for our business. The biggest impact has been moving from a fragmented environment to a connected foundation that can be structured, measured, and embedded into how our go-to-market teams work. I can actually see that in a shift in our numbers. When we first brought Highspot on board, it was specifically a sales-only tool. I didn’t have any other broader teams in the tooling, and now we’ve doubled our Highspot user base. I’ve expanded from supporting just sales to supporting the broader go-to-market team. Training has been one of our largest wins. We’ve moved from one-off live training to structured onboarding paths and ongoing learning. We’re actually in the midst of a current go-to-market training refresh, taking everyone through our RL Datix 360, as we call it, and I went from maybe a 4% completion rate in the early days to now seeing nearly 100% completion. Last time I looked, we were at around 97 or 98%. That’s a huge shift in the consistency and accountability I have with my field. For content, 91% of our internal audiences are viewing our content in Highspot, and I’ve got close to 500 opportunities actively engaging with our content. So it’s telling me this isn’t just a repository where things sit. It’s becoming embedded in their daily workflows, in how they prepare, sell, and engage our customers. There’s also a time-savings piece. It’s a little harder to quantify, but I feel it every day. I’m still working toward maturing how we connect this directly to revenue outcomes like win rate and pipeline movement, but now I’ve got a solid foundation, a high level of adoption, and the visibility to keep building toward that. RR: Jill, the volume of work that happened in one year, when we talk about building the foundation, that’s the year. But you took 365 days, built out the foundation, drove the behavior change, and now you’re already in the midst of that next phase of evolution and getting people on board. So bravo, I don’t know how you did that. Hope you’re sleeping. I’d love to get a little bit of perspective on how you did it, for other leaders who are in that phase of building a strategy from the ground up. How would you recommend they get started, especially in an AI-first world? JS: Yeah. We went live with the product really, really fast. I had a great team behind me, and we worked hard every single day to get things built. But my advice would be actually not to start with AI. It’s probably going to be a little controversial, but I think you should start with the problem you’re trying to solve. It can be really tempting to jump straight into the newest tool or capability, but if your foundation isn’t there, AI can just make the mess faster. I would start by understanding where the friction is for your sellers and go-to-market teams. Can they find what they need? Do they understand the message in training? Do they know what good looks like? Are managers coaching consistently? Do you have visibility into what’s happening in customer conversations? Can you tell what’s helping deals move forward or stall? Once you understand those gaps, you can be more intentional about where AI fits. Can it help a rep prepare faster, summarize conversations, surface deal risk, build up Digital Rooms? It should really be tied to a true, real workflow and a business need. This is when AI becomes much more powerful, because it’s got the right context. It’s not just another tool. It’s a way to scale insight, reduce manual work, and help the team make better decisions faster. So for an enablement leader starting from scratch, I’d say: listen first, build your foundation, solve the real frictions in your sales force, and then use AI to scale what’s already working. RR: I really liked the question framework you threw out there. Because I think especially when people are starting to build, you have this insane arena of potential work to be done. And when you can start to ask the right questions that build toward the right purpose, you can get to the exciting work down the line. Well, Jill, thank you so much for chatting with us today. It’s been really wonderful to hear a little bit about what you’re building, how you’re thinking about building, and I’m so curious to see what’s next down the line. We’ll have to stay in touch. JS: Yeah. Thanks so much for having me. This was great. RR: To our audience, thank you for listening to this episode of the Win/Win Podcast. Be sure to tune in next time for more insights on how you can maximize go-to-market success with Highspot.

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss why a popular claim about artificial intelligence taking over jobs misses the mark. You will discover what AI enablement is, how to break your daily tasks into clear steps that reveal what computers handle. You will learn a testing method that separates work worth automating from tasks requiring your human touch. You will uncover ways to upgrade your routine without fearing career changes. You will gain the confidence to restructure your workflow for lasting efficiency. 00:00 – Introduction 04:15 – Debunking the takeover statistic 08:40 – Breaking work into clear steps 13:25 – Separating automation from augmentation 18:50 – Finding your hidden opportunities 23:10 – Managing AI like a direct report 27:45 – Call to action Watch the full episode to see how you can put these insights to work immediately. Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-ai-enablement-jobs-ai-can-do.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn: In this week’s In-Ear Insights, let’s talk about AI enablement and specifically what AI can and can’t do. Early this year, Anthropic, the makers of Claude, released a paper about the labor effects of AI. And they cited and used a paper way back from 2023 from Ilondo et al that said in some professions like management, computer science, etc., up to 94% of tasks could be consumed by AI. And when this paper came out, everybody and their cousin copied and pasted the radar chart. We all accepted it at face value. However, we did some digging, we did some reading into this and we used our job-to-AI plugin, which is located in the Trust Insights Academy, along with a hefty amount of AI to try to replicate the results of that original paper. And it turns out the original paper that Anthropic cited used about 10,000 or 18,000 tasks that human judges and GPT-4, which was OpenAI’s model at the time—a model that now feels like a crusty old dinosaur—to guess whether or not AI could do a task in half the time. So what we found in our version of this, by decomposing job descriptions—I want to say we did what, 90,000 something odd—into individual tasks with tangible deliverables, and then used the Trust Insights TRIPS framework to assess how good a fit each task was for AI. Plus, we used the latest benchmarks from Artificial Analysis to judge what AI’s capabilities were and determine whether AI could do this. So Katie, that was a lot of preamble in your first reads of our version of this paper. What were the big things that stuck out to you? Katie Robbert: Well, first I want to react to your comment about Anthropic using what GPT-4, which you said is like what? Christopher S. Penn: A crusty, old GPT-4 for the original paper from 2023. Katie Robbert: Oh, the original paper, yeah. Here’s the thing. If you’re doing your work correctly and you have your foundation, methodology, and requirements, the model change. This is something it’s not the purpose of this particular podcast, but it’s worth mentioning. People tend to panic every time a model changes, thinking, well, this one’s modern. Now I have to change things. Now I have to start over. If you are structuring your work correctly, like an academic paper should, the methodology and research should all be fairly repeatable. It shouldn’t matter that the model changed. So I just want to acknowledge that. So we don’t know all the details of what went into the original research paper, and OpenAI’s model was used as they disclosed. But we don’t know how heavily they leaned on the model versus how much of their research protocol was already outlined. So I just want to sort of acknowledge that first. Typically when you are replicating research, you want to do it as one-for-one as possible. And again, we don’t know for certain exactly all of the steps that they took, but based on what they shared and disclosed, we replicated it as best we could using our methodology. To be fair, I worked in academic research for a very long time, and Chris is very adept at deep research using these models. So we’re not just kind of winging it, hoping that we’re getting close. I feel confident that our methodology is sound. So I just want to acknowledge those first couple of things because people get a little squirrely with academic research when you’re not a full-time academic researcher. So there’s that piece, the thing that I found. My initial reaction was 90. Was it 94%? Christopher S. Penn: The original paper was 94%. Ours had a maximum of only 78%. Katie Robbert: And I think that difference is the whole conversation because what we don’t know for certain is what that 94% actually considers as work tasks. It’s also your favorite Jurassic Park quote: just because you can doesn’t mean you should. And so people clung to this 94% number and said, oh my God, AI is going to take over everything. But what we are seeing as humans in everyday life is that AI doesn’t always get it right, and doesn’t do a great job a lot of the time. And so even our finding of 77% still feels really high. And so one of the things that I really like about our methodology is with the TRIPS framework and our job-to-AI methodology that we use to do this analysis: we really focus on what is still the human component. Where should you never give this piece of a task? Because it decomposes tasks, not a job as a whole. I feel like there’s a difference. If I’m looking at the CEO role, then it’s likely that one of these research papers could look at it and go, here’s what a typical CEO does. Can AI take over the CEO role? Yes or no? That’s like a whole big cluster of tasks. Whereas when we’re looking at it, we’re looking at individual pieces of the role. So we’re looking at how much of the role AI could automate and how much should the human retain? I feel like that’s another distinction. So these were sort of my initial reactions. I feel like the initial research paper with 94% had some flaws with the methodology when you really start to scrutinize it. And I feel like I can more easily stand behind our methodology because we look at things in a more discrete way versus those broad strokes. Christopher S. Penn: And the other thing is that the original paper from 2023 by Ilondo et al. At the time, generative AI models like GPT-4 were text-only models. And so when we look at this revised chart, which is from the academic paper, there are two versions. We published two versions of the paper. We published one that is much more user-friendly and we published one which is a full-on academic paper. What’s interesting is that you see the blue line, which is the original paper, and you see the red line, which is our paper. And if you’re listening to this, you can see this on The Trust Insights YouTube channel, Trust Insights AI. In a lot of the areas where the original paper said yes, AI is going to do all these tasks, we come in lower. And that was actually opposite what my original hypothesis was. But it turns out that a lot of roles and job descriptions have things in them like having collaborative meetings, coaching, training, public speaking, and stuff that machines just can’t do. So those big roles in things like computers, business, and management. Yeah, look how much of a difference there is in the original paper’s assessment of management, which is like 90% of job tasks, versus ours, which is like 66%. Because so much of management deals with humans. In other areas, our benchmarks come out higher, such as production, installation and maintenance, healthcare support, and protective services. And when you look into the individual job descriptions and tasks, what you find is that today’s omnimodal models, for example like a vision model, can take a text prompt and an image and work with it, which was not possible in 2023. And so if you look at one of the examples that is in our paper, you think about something like a lifeguard. What use does a lifeguard have for AI? Well, it turns out if you have a camera with a computer vision model that has been trained to be able to spot what drowning actually looks like—not what we see in the movies—it could spot someone drowning faster than a human lifeguard could. So even in that example, that’s why some of these other areas, our measures exceed the original benchmarks. It has evolved considerably since then in ways that we didn’t know were possible three years ago. Katie Robbert: The lifeguarding example is an interesting one. You said that drowning doesn’t look the way it does in movies. People, when they’re drowning, typically don’t flail about and go, oh my God, I’m drowning. It’s a very quiet, subtle, almost immediate thing. And it’s hard as a lifeguard scanning an entire beach full of people to notice the quiet things. And so that’s an interesting example. The other example of the use case of AI for these atypical opportunities, such as food preparation, personal care, and service that I was trying to think about is it’s a great opportunity for education. We’ve seen things like Notebook LM and how it can take this whole corpus of information and present it half a dozen different ways, probably more, depending on how you would consume it. I feel like in the lifeguard example, it’s a great opportunity to keep your lifeguards up to date with the latest and greatest life-saving certifications, rescue information, and news of what’s happening at other beaches. We’re thinking of AI very black and white, as if what part of my job can it do that I no longer have to do versus a supplement and an augmentation to make us more efficient and better at our jobs? And I feel like that’s just another distinction. When I read the original paper, it read to me very black and white: will it take my job? Christopher S. Penn: No. Katie Robbert: Period, end of sentence. And that is not a useful conversation to me. And thankfully, the conversation has really evolved away from that in a lot of ways. Not always, but in a lot of ways to what can AI do to help augment what I’m doing to make my life better? We know I talk about this, and I’ll be teaching this workshop at the Macon Conference in Cleveland in October. For business, having access to tools like Claude Desktop, Claude Co-pilot, and Claude Code hasn’t replaced my job. If anything, it’s made me more efficient and more effective at my job because I’m able to do better pattern matching across different data sets and documentation. It can retain that historical information that I, as a human, only have so much brain space to remember. What did we say we were going to do in January that we haven’t done? Claude can do that for me. So I’m looking at these tools like a really great assistant. But I still have to do all the same stuff I’ve always had to do. It hasn’t actually taken anything away. It’s given me the ability to do more. And I feel like that is also an important distinction. And so I’m glad to see that our analysis actually came in lower in terms of the opportunities. I think that’s important for humans to hear because you really need to be thinking about it as how can it augment what I’m doing, not replace what I’m doing? Christopher S. Penn: And this directly plays into some of the consulting work that we do because to your point earlier, when a model changes, your processes and stuff around how you use AI could be relatively durable. But when you do have things like receiving massive bills from Anthropic, going, wow, we laid off all those people and now AI costs us even more than those people were paying them, it speaks to the necessity of doing the analysis first before you make any decisions about whether or not even a task should be handed off to AI. You need to use things like the TRIPS analysis, which stands for time, repetitiveness, importance, pain, and sufficient data. If you do the analysis or you hire Trust Insights to do the analysis for you… Of all the different tasks, if you want to enable AI at your company, one of the easiest wins is to focus on that fourth factor: pain. Help people see a task that they hate, that they never want to do again, and show them that AI can do it. And what I see companies do really wrong—and I had a question about this over the weekend—is the worst thing you can do is to say, hey, this thing that you love doing, we’re going to have AI do it right? That just pisses people off. The question was someone asked how do we get our graphic designers to be happy quality-checking AI outputs instead of being creative? Like they got into graphic design, creatives to be creative. You were taking the one thing they love to do away from them. You can’t do this. I mean, you can, but you were going to lose all of them. And then you were just going to be a company that generates AI slop. Katie Robbert: Yeah, and I wholeheartedly agree with that. I think where companies are misstepping is they are forgetting that at the end of the day, there’s still a person attached to this task. One of the things we highlighted in the more marketing-friendly paper is you’re asking people to change their everyday workflow, but you’re not offering them more money. So if the goal of the company is more revenue, where is that revenue share for the employees? You haven’t given that to them. You’re asking them to do more and not giving them that incentive. So don’t take away the things that they enjoy doing. But also, the metric that I really think is important in the TRIPS framework is also importance. And so this helps you with your risk assessment. Let’s say something is highly repetitive. You do it all the time. People don’t enjoy doing it. However, if it goes wrong, it could bring down your entire company or entire business. Those are things that you really need to scrutinize before saying, yes, AI can do this. Because you know what? AI hallucinates. AI makes mistakes. AI is software. It can be programmed incorrectly. AI is not a set-it-and-forget-it system. And yet somehow people treat it that way. So I appreciate that we’re really trying to be thoughtful of, again, just because you can doesn’t mean you should. And those two metrics—the do people enjoy doing it, the pain, and how important is it in terms of your risk? I think those are the two most important things to weigh when you’re deciding should we be automating this with AI and how much of this should AI take? Christopher S. Penn: Yep. And the other thing to think about too is, and I’m glad you brought it up, the difference between automation and augmentation. Automation means the human stops doing it. Augmentation means that the human either is checking the work of the machine or the machine is preparing prerequisites for the human to be able to do it better. Your example of training helps a person become better trained. Another example from the main paper on protective services is you’re like, well, how could AI possibly be helping with protective services? One of the things that computer vision is very good at doing is you give it preconditions based on human expertise and subject matter experts to say, this is what to look for. So let’s take a picture of a neighborhood. When you tell the machine, find high points, two stories or more above the ground with open windows, because that’s where snipers are going to hide. They’re going to fire through an open window. They’re not going to be leaning out the window. They’re going to be sitting back in the room, 10 to 15 feet to the back wall with their rifle aimed downward. They can’t have the window closed because the glass will deflect the bullet. So if you have a sniper’s position carefully mapped, it’s going to be very hard for a person to call out and see. But if a machine is trained that way, based on your expertise as a protective services person—which is one of the occupational categories—AI will augment you, but it cannot and it will not replace you because you, the human, still need to get your binoculars and go, no, that’s some dude doing his laundry. Katie Robbert: Someone’s seen a few too many movies. But it’s a good point because these machines are pattern matching. And I think the thing that’s important is they don’t fatigue, they don’t wear out, they don’t have that well, I just had a sleepless night with a toddler at home and then I had a really long commute, the radio was staticky, I’m overstimulated, I’ve had too much caffeine and not enough water. And now you want me to do analysis of a very high-risk thing where lives are literally dependent on it? Yeah. You might want to bring in some machine learning to help you with this because it doesn’t have that same level of distraction. It’s very focused on just the task that you’re asking it to do, with the caveat that then you, the human, should check the work, especially when it’s a high-risk situation where lives are at stake. Christopher S. Penn: Yeah, exactly. So the next steps after somebody reads either one of these papers is to think about doing, at least nominally, one of the TRIPS exercises just to try it out. Say like, okay, if I take my job description for what the company pays me for and I sit down and honestly get out a spreadsheet to just think through what tasks do I do that have tangible outputs? Is this a time-intensive task? Is this a repetitive task? Is this an important task? Is this a painful task? Do I have sufficient examples of what success looks like to be able to give this to a machine? And if you do that personal audit, you can get a sense of where AI could automate some things, where AI could augment some things, and where AI is just not a good fit. And one of the things I think a lot of people would be surprised about… Katie Robbert: Whoa, I’m trying to share my screen. I’m trying. I got to remove yours to share mine. You’re always sharing your screen. Christopher S. Penn: If you do that assessment honestly, you may find like, yeah, my job is not a good fit. Oh, Katie’s giving me my review. Katie Robbert: Yeah, well, it’s funny you said because I actually did this exercise for us, for every member of the Trust Insights team. Surprise. My turn to surprise people. And so Chris, this is yours. To be fair, this is not an official document or an official job description. That’s something that we’re working on in the background. But that being said, a 49-task analysis is a 6.1 out of 10 across all 49 tasks. Your average TRIPS score out of 10 is a 5.7, and your TRIPS opportunity is 8. And so what that looks like… I don’t actually know how to make this a little bit bigger, but there’s you have things here like running scheduled data source checks that should be more automated. You know, data analysis. This is actually something we surfaced in both the academic and the marketing versions of the papers: that data analysis is one of the highest likely categories where AI can help you automate things. Then we have operations and execution, technical work. Creative and content is lower down. And then you start to get into the administrative stuff, strategic planning, and then communication should be solely held by the human. So the things that our TRIPS opportunity finder found for you, Chris… So you do a lot of internal maintenance for the company. Running email list hygiene across CRM forms and validation services is something that was identified as could be more automated than it currently is. Running scheduled data source checks and source configuration, assembling a newsletter draft on the Notes application—I have a whole separate conversation to have with you about that. So none of this should seem surprising to you. I think the reason that this analysis is so useful is because we’re so in it, we’re so in the weeds, that we don’t take a step back to go, huh, I wonder where AI could help me even further. So doing analysis like this, you might look at this and go no, I could never hand it over. Or absolutely, that’s a great idea. How about I start working on that? Because it’s going to be a high-value thing. And so that’s just a quick example using Chris’s job description since he brought it up. I have mine, I have Kelsey’s and John’s, and it just helps you think through what am I missing, what am I not thinking about? And that’s where there’s actual real opportunity. Christopher S. Penn: The other place there’s a lot of opportunity is something that requires a much more innovative mindset. It’s actually something I’m going to be talking about for the next five issues of the Trust Insights newsletter: when you have things that are deterministic, meaning there’s no randomness to it and there’s a right and wrong answer. Very often that is something that software can do. And there is no better developer of software than Generative AI. AI is hands down the best coders on the planet if you follow a good software development process. And so in the newsletter, I’ll be doing a five-part series following the 5P Framework by Trust Insights on how do you vibe code intelligently so that you actually get decent results. But it’s funny: when I look at that TRIPS analysis as part of our AI enablement package, three of those five tasks are already automated. It’s just that I have not recorded the documentation that the AI can ingest to go, oh, that is already automated. That already exists. We don’t need to keep this in the job description. It’s now just literally push the button and things pop out. Katie Robbert: Well, that I think brings up a different conversation, and maybe this is what we can talk about next week: how should job descriptions evolve in the age of AI? Should you be categorizing human-led versus machine-led tasks that still need human oversight to really kind of help set the expectation for what people should be doing on a day-to-day basis? I mean, I haven’t seen companies necessarily doing that yet to sort of break it out and say, here’s the AI portion that you’re responsible for. Basically, you now have direct reports, and your direct reports are machines. So what does that look like? Christopher S. Penn: Yeah. And how do you manage them? Because it’s different than managing a human. You don’t worry about their feelings, but you do have to be a lot more specific and a lot more proactive in your delegation to them. Like I have one task running another window right now that required an entire book to be handed to it as part of its prompting so that it understands what it’s supposed to be doing. And it’s in ancient Greek. Katie Robbert: Sure. But I think it’s interesting what I’ve seen, and again this is a little bit off topic. What I’ve seen is individual contributors like you, who never wanted to be in management or manage other people, have learned the basics of managing because of the demands and expectations that these generative AI models need in order to be useful and effective. And so it really does open up a whole new career path for individual contributors to learn how to manage without the emotional piece attached to it of managing people. Because it is not for the weak. Let’s leave it there. Christopher S. Penn: Yes. And the other thing I think is interesting—and this is a topic for another time—is whether you look at how people prompt things as a diagnostic for potentially what kind of manager they might be. Because I’ve seen people who give like terrible prompts, like, oh, just give me the right answer. To what? Like, absolutely the prompt: give me the right answer. What were you asking? Katie Robbert: Managing people? Christopher S. Penn: No, not at all. Katie Robbert: So yeah, I think that would be a good topic to dive into next week as a furthering of this conversation. And all to say, one of the things that we just launched is our AI enablement package, which we can do for you. A lot of companies aren’t at the stage of hey, you tried AI and you failed. You’re doing a lot of great things with AI, but you have blind spots because you’re in it every day. And so you need some assistance to figure out what’s next. How do I continue to move my AI enablement forward? The board wants it for 2027. We want AI usage to go up, but we’re sort of plateaued and kind of static. So what does the next step look like? We can help you with that. If you want help with that, go to trustinsights.ai/AI-enablement and you can learn more about that. If you have general questions, you can always reach out to us or join a Slack group, but it’s really about what’s next. So what am I doing today and what’s next? Where are my blind spots, and how can I keep moving forward? Christopher S. Penn: Exactly. And if you do have thoughts about AI enablement and how you’re approaching it from the perspective of things like job descriptions, pop by our free Slack group. Go to trustinsights.ai/analytics-for-marketers, where you and over 4,700 marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day. And wherever it is you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a channel you’d rather have it on, go to Trust Insights AI Podcast. You can find us all the places podcast platforms serve. 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On this episode of the Insurance Coffee House, Nick Hoadley is joined by Tracy Letzerich, Chief People Officer at Hippo Insurance. With a career spanning consulting, technology, organisational design, and people leadership, Tracy shares how an unconventional path into HR has shaped her approach to building high-performing organisations. Tracy reflects on her early career in technology consulting, where she worked on large-scale business transformation programmes before becoming fascinated by a recurring question: why do some transformations succeed while others fail? That curiosity led her away from software implementation and towards organisational design, leadership, and the people side of change.The conversation explores Hippo's evolution from an insurtech startup into a profitable, publicly traded insurance company. Tracy explains how the business has maintained many of the characteristics of an early-stage technology company, including rapid decision-making, strong cross-functional collaboration, and a culture built around innovation, while developing the operational discipline required of a modern insurer.Nick and Tracy discuss the relationship between technology and culture, and how Hippo has created close partnerships between engineering, product, and insurance teams. Rather than technology operating separately from the business, Tracy explains how technical teams are involved in solving insurance challenges from the outset, creating a collaborative approach that has become a defining part of Hippo's culture.A significant part of the discussion focuses on workforce enablement through technology. Tracy shares how Hippo approached organisation-wide adoption by giving every employee access to AI tools, encouraging experimentation, measuring adoption, and creating opportunities for technical and non-technical teams to learn together. She explains why creating capacity is ultimately about giving people more time to focus on strategic, high-value work rather than repetitive manual tasks.The conversation also explores leadership, hiring, and organisational growth. Tracy shares her perspective on building high-performing teams, maintaining culture as organisations scale, and why behavioural interviewing, curiosity, and cultural alignment are just as important as technical expertise. She also explains why leaders should focus on helping employees spend more time doing work that energises them.Nick and Tracy close with practical advice for leaders navigating change. Tracy encourages organisations to embrace curiosity, move before every answer is known, and create environments where learning is expected rather than feared. She also shares advice for candidates and leaders alike: know what matters to you, ask thoughtful questions, and don't try to become someone you think others want you to be.Connect with Tracy Letzerich on LinkedIn to follow her work across people leadership, organisational design, leadership development, and technology-enabled transformation.The Insurance Coffee House Podcast is brought to you by Insurance Search.We are a global Insurance Executive Search Consultancy, supporting Insurance and Insurtech businesses to attract and retain the very best insurance talent.Find out more about showcasing your employer brand as a guest on the Insurance Coffee House Podcast or sign up to our News and Insights.Or follow us on LinkedIn, Twitter or Instagram.Insurance Executive Search Consultants in USA, London and Bermuda.Copyright Insurance Search 2025 - All Rights Reserved.

Most sales training programs are an absolute waste of time.   A trainer shows up, sprays a bunch of theoretical nonsense telling you to "sell the value", and then disappears. 48 hours later your team hasn't changed a damn thing.   That's why we built the 30MPC Enablement Program: Your Team's Step-By-Step Path to President's Club. Actionable Courses: We teach your reps literally any skill from cold calling to negotiation. Tailored Playbooks: We partner with you to build out all of your company-specific playbooks. Real-World Reinforcement: We provide the tools and management to make sure the training actually sticks. Book your first training sprint → https://www.30mpc.com/course/team-training

HR professionals have a huge opportunity to shape how, why and when AI is used across their organisations.Because AI is not only changing technology. It is changing jobs, skills, teams, management and the way work gets done. And HR is uniquely placed to make sure those changes work for both the organisation and its people.In this episode of HR Coffee Time, Fay is joined by People Consultant Charlotte Goulding to explore how HR professionals can help shape successful AI adoption across their organisations.Charlotte explains why HR should not wait to be invited into conversations about AI and shares how her Five People Foundations Framework can help organisations put the right people foundations in place as work changes.Together, Fay and Charlotte explore what each of these foundations means in practice, including why traditional job descriptions may no longer be enough, why managers will become even more important and how performance, recognition and HR operations may need to evolve.Charlotte also explains how HR can help organisations make thoughtful decisions about AI while keeping people, trust and culture at the heart of them.In This Episode, You'll Learn:Why HR shouldn't wait to be invited into conversations about AIThe difference between “AI for HR” and “HR for AI”How the Five People Foundations work togetherWhy skills and capabilities could become more useful than job descriptionsHow managers can support people through AI-related changeHow performance, recognition and HR operations may need to adaptChapters[0:00] Introduction: Why HR must lead AI adoption[2:01] Welcome, Charlotte Goulding[2:24] HR for AI, not just AI for HR[4:41] From pandemic hero to recent criticism[6:31] How the Five Foundations framework came about[10:42] Overview: The Five People Foundations[11:35] Foundation 1: Identity[15:34] Example: Values in your AI hiring process[19:13] Foundation 2: Clarity[23:28] Applying skills-based roles in HR[26:31] OKRs and quarterly goal-setting[28:05] Foundation 3: Enablement[29:12] Managers: the most overlooked foundation[36:51] Foundation 4: Recognition[39:01] Rethinking career progression and rewards[40:42] Foundation 5: Operations[42:22] Mapping your most critical processes[43:38] Working with Charlotte[45:37] Book recommendations[47:05] Wrap-up and outroUseful LinksConnect with Fay on LinkedInLearn about Fay's Essential HR PlannerLearn about Fay's Inspiring HR Leadership ProgrammeComplete Charlotte's free Five People Foundations diagnostic.Visit Charlotte's website: The People ThreadConnect with Charlotte Goulding on LinkedInBooks Recommended in This EpisodeHR Disrupted by Lucy AdamsBuilt for People by Jessica ZwaanHelpful Episodes to Listen to NextEp 164: Becoming More Strategic as an HR Team: Three Ways OKRs Can HelpEp 166: The Biggest HR Strategy Mistake and How to Fix It, with Dean CorbettEp 172: How One Company Helped Employees Embrace AI, with Laura MaffucciEp 173: How to Build a Better Workplace Culture (So People Thrive at Work), with Aoife O'BrienEnjoyed This Episode? Don't Miss the Next One!Sign up for the free weekly HR Coffee Time email to be notified each time a new episode is released - and get free career tips, tools, and resources.

Ein einzelner Prompt, der mal eben 7 Millionen Tokens verarbeitet, um eine komplette Welt in 3D zu generieren? Für Jens Polomski ist das schlicht ganz normaler Alltag. Der KI-Experte, Content Creator und Mitgründer von SnipKI beobachtet die rasante Entwicklung der KI-Landschaft hautnah – und weiß genau, wo Unternehmen im Praxiseinsatz noch immer der Schuh drückt. Denn während die Modelle immer schneller, günstiger und autonomer werden, offenbart sich in den Büros oft eine ernste Realität: 100 eingekaufte KI-Lizenzen bedeuten noch lange keine gelungene Transformation. Oft scheitert es schon an den Grundlagen. In diesem Insight Talk erklärt Jens im Gespräch mit Christoph, warum wir manchmal sogar einen „Internet-Führerschein“ bräuchten, wie SnipKI Teams über Wochen hinweg echtes KI-Mindset vermittelt und wieso Vibe-Coding die klassische Softwareentwicklung demokratisiert. Außerdem sprechen die beiden über den Vormarsch von Open-Weight-Modellen aus China, verrückte Support-Anfragen wütender User und die Frage, warum wir in Zukunft viel mehr Software nutzen werden – aber immer weniger klassische Interfaces.

AI is changing everything in the AEC industry — but not in the way most people fear. In this episode of The Peggy Smedley Show, host Peggy Smedley sits down with Claire Rutkowski, Executive Director of AI Productivity and Enablement at WSP, to explore how artificial intelligence is reshaping the engineering workforce. They dig into how AI is catching recurring clash patterns, flagging spec drift before it becomes costly rework, compressing meeting prep time, and freeing engineers to focus on judgment, creativity, and higher-value decisions. Claire also shares how WSP is upskilling its workforce, why the most skeptical engineers are often the most valuable voices in the room, and what it means to mentor a generation that's ready to go AI-native. Topics covered: Is AI coming for engineering jobs? The honest answer How AI agents work alongside engineers today — and where it's heading Clash detection, spec inconsistencies, and change order prevention Smarter coordination meetings powered by AI Upskilling engineers: persona-based training at scale The shift from project delivery to full asset lifecycle intelligence What separates firms that will lead from those that fall behind  Guest: Claire Rutkowski, WSP Executive Director of AI Productivity and Enablement

AI is changing everything in the AEC industry — but not in the way most people fear. In this episode of The Peggy Smedley Show, host Peggy Smedley sits down with Claire Rutkowski, Executive Director of AI Productivity and Enablement at WSP, to explore how artificial intelligence is reshaping the engineering workforce. They dig into how AI is catching recurring clash patterns, flagging spec drift before it becomes costly rework, compressing meeting prep time, and freeing engineers to focus on judgment, creativity, and higher-value decisions. Claire also shares how WSP is upskilling its workforce, why the most skeptical engineers are often the most valuable voices in the room, and what it means to mentor a generation that's ready to go AI-native. Topics covered: Is AI coming for engineering jobs? The honest answer How AI agents work alongside engineers today — and where it's heading Clash detection, spec inconsistencies, and change order prevention Smarter coordination meetings powered by AI Upskilling engineers: persona-based training at scale The shift from project delivery to full asset lifecycle intelligence What separates firms that will lead from those that fall behind  Guest: Claire Rutkowski, WSP Executive Director of AI Productivity and Enablement

In dieser Folge nehme ich dich mit nach München und spreche mit Martin Brösamle von eggs unimedia über die echte Welt des PreSales, diesmal nicht aus Sicht des Softwareherstellers, sondern aus der Partnerperspektive. Wir diskutieren, wie erfolgreiche Zusammenarbeit zwischen Partnern und Herstellern aussieht, wo es knirscht, und was einen Trusted Advisor wirklich ausmacht, wenn nicht das Quartalsende, sondern langfristiges Vertrauen zählt. Martin gibt tiefe Einblicke, wie sein Team PreSales, Delivery und Account Management aufstellt und welche Rolle Ehrlichkeit und Partnerschaft spielen. Außerdem beleuchten wir, wie sich Preismodelle durch KI und neue Technologien verändern und warum Beratung und Enablement wichtiger werden als klassische Implementierung. Wenn du wissen willst, wie sich die Rolle des PreSales Consultants gerade wandelt und welche Strategien jetzt wirklich zum Erfolg führen, dann ist diese Folge für dich gemacht. Martin bei LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/martin-broesamle/ ----------

Hoe krijg je AI van de grond in een enterprise omgeving waar security, compliance en risico's (terecht) veel aandacht krijgen? En hoe zorg je ervoor dat AI niet blijft hangen in losse experimenten, maar uitgroeit tot een breed gedragen werkwijze?Én, als je dat dan voor elkaar hebt, hoe ga je dan om met automation bias? Samen met Thijs Limmen bespreken we hoe je weerstand en onzekerheid rondom AI wegneemt, welke rol governance speelt bij succesvolle adoptie en hoe je de juiste randvoorwaarden creëert om AI veilig en met vertrouwen in de organisatie toe te passen.Daarnaast delen we natuurlijk onze tech highlights:.NET HybridCacheOpenFGAMythos/Fable én hoe je meer waarde haalt uit je AI-tokens

In this episode, Jason and Siobhan Sweeney, formerly of Shopify, talk about her journey from door-to-door sales rep in New York City to first-time sales leader, why she made the jump into enablement, how Shopify built a world-class enablement org, and her take on executive presence, managing up, and coaching reps. Check out more free content and get help with outbound at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://outboundsquad.com.⁠

By all logic, one would assume entering 2026 meant executing a clean strategy for automation and growth. Unfortunately, trapped in a cycle of reckless tech binging, many leaders are drowning in unexpected bills, digital mediocrity, and operational chaos while leaving real value buried under routine noise. This week, we are doing a mid-year audit on the 2026 predictions I made earlier this year. While I predicted the year of the AI Hangover, we aren't just nursing an AI hangover; we are staring at real corporate property damage. From runaway token costs and "vibe-coded" app failures to a total lack of workforce guidance, the hype cycle has officially hit a brick wall. My goal is to challenge your perspective by breaking down how these predictions are playing out on the ground, and the mandatory, conscious choices you must make to clear the slop: The Corporate Scapegoat: Public anti-AI sentiment is exploding, but society is pointing the finger at the wrong thing—using the machine to shield bad leadership, reckless deployments, and a total lack of baseline governance. The Wearable Paradox: Consumers loudly reject physical AI hardware like smart glasses while quietly surrendering their agency and pouring intimate proprietary data into software text boxes. The Workslop Epidemic: Automated mediocrity is rampant as employees try to keep their heads above water. Now, executives are facing massive invoice shock from runaway token costs and useless $80k vibe-coded apps. The Tech Hierarchy Realignment: Anthropic holds the capability crown but has no path to profitability. OpenAI and Grok are flying straight into the sun, while Google remains the underestimated enterprise giant. The Innovation Plateau: The "WOW" moments are gone, replaced by incremental updates. Meanwhile, humanoids have devolved into memes, plagued by scandals where robots were secretly teleoperated by offshore VR labor. The Enablement Void: Prompt engineering is dead, and basic LLM use is a baseline expectation. Yet, companies provide zero formal training, leaving teams to bumble around with powerful tools. The H2 Recovery Playbook: Climbing out of the mud pit requires four immediate moves: stop buying tools and invest in human effectiveness, rebuild employee trust, ruthlessly simplify your tech ecosystem, and lock in on your specific operational "why". By the end, I hope you're convinced that if you aren't seeing wins with AI, something is broken in this chain. Capturing this upside requires hard work. If you're ready to make intentional choices, audit your current ecosystem, and anchor your strategy in human capability, the light at the end of the tunnel is incredibly bright. ⸻If this conversation was helpful, make sure to like, share, subscribe, or buy me a coffee at https://buymeacoffee.com/christopherlind And if you'd benefit from help balancing performance, technology, and people, check out my website at https://christopherlind.co ⸻Chapters00:00 – Introduction: The January Thesis vs. July Pacing03:00 – Point 1: The Anti-AI Revolt & Technology as a Corporate Scapegoat10:55 – Point 2: The Wearable Paradox & The Erosion of Human Agency17:41 – Point 3: The Workslop Epidemic, Tokenmaxing, and $500M Invoices27:07 – Point 4: The Tech Hierarchy—Pure-Play Burn vs. The Google Ecosystem35:46 – Point 5 & 6: The Innovation Plateau & Humanoid Teleoperation Fraud42:07 – Insight 7: Prompt Engineering is Dead, Enablement is Absent44:50 – Actions: Four Surgical Leadership Moves for H2 202653:00 – Conclusion: Breaking the Tribal Extremes and Finding the Win #AIStrategy #AIHangover #OperationalExcellence #TechGovernance #WorkforceTransformation #FutureFocused

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The CPG Guys are joined in this episode by Chris Riedy, Chief Revenue Officer at Ibotta and Yeimy Garcia Smith, SVP, Global Measurement and Enablement at Circana. Ibotta is is a performance marketing platform allowing brands to deliver digital promotions to over 200 million consumers through a network of called the Ibotta Performance Network. This episode is sponsored by Ibotta and was recorded in Cannes Francine at the Cannes Lions International Festival of Creativity.Follow Chris on LinkedIn at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisriedyFollow Ibotta online at: http://ibotta.comFollow Yeimy online at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yeimyChris and Yeimy answer these questions:From Circana's macro perspective, where does the traditional measurement infrastructure break down first in this fluid loop?Are you guys competing, complementing, or building a completely distinct layer of demand? Where do brand equity investment and performance investment harmoniously meet in this modern loop, and how do you ensure one isn't starving the other?What does trustworthy, mathematically sound measurement actually look like in 2026, and why is it an absolute baseline requirement right now?When you listen to CPG brands express their deep frustrations with modern attribution models, what is the core complaint you hear, and how do you define "trustworthy truth" to a skeptical CMO?Yeimy, what does it mean for the industry that promotions can now be evaluated on equal footing with media? And Chris, for a brand CMO sitting here at Cannes today, how should this change the way they think about where promotions sit in their investment mix?Yeimy, when Circana runs the numbers across the entire consumer staples landscape, what unexpected, baseline operational traits do a legacy multi-billion-dollar giant and an agile, emerging challenger brand have in common when it comes to capturing actual volume growth today?Chris, expanding on that, when Ibotta double-clicks down on a hyper-growth challenger brand like Chomps — which Circana crowned a Growth Leader and which has blockbuster velocity across the IPN — the independent Circana Household Lift study told a striking story: households exposed to the Ibotta campaign outperformed the snacking category household penetration benchmark by 9x. What does that kind of new buyer acquisition data reveal about how challenger brands should think about promotions as a growth lever, beyond the traditional discount mechanic? If you two could completely re-architect the ideal measurement infrastructure from the ground up for a CPG brand trying to successfully navigate the next three years, what does that blueprint look like, and exactly who needs to be in the corporate room to enforce it?For a CPG brand CMO or commercial executive sitting in this room today who leaves Cannes and has to make one decisive change to how they evaluate, measure, or deploy capital across the commerce funnel this quarter—what is the single piece of practitioner advice you would give them? Yeimy, you first, then Chris.CPG Guys Website: http://CPGguys.comFMCG Guys Website: http://FMCGguys.comSheCOMMERCE Website: https://shecommercepodcast.com/Rhea Raj's Website: http://rhearaj.comLara Raj in Katseye: https://www.katseye.world/DISCLAIMER: The content in this podcast episode is provided for general informational purposes only. By listening to our episode, you understand that no information contained in this episode should be construed as advice from CPGGUYS, LLC or the individual author, hosts, or guests, nor is it intended to be a substitute for research on any subject matter. Reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by CPGGUYS, LLC. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent.CPGGUYS LLC expressly disclaims any and all liability or responsibility for any direct, indirect, incidental, special, consequential or other damages arising out of any individual's use of, reference to, or inability to use this podcast or the information we presented in this podcast.

In this episode of The Learning & Development Podcast, David James is joined by JD Dillon to celebrate the launch of his new book, The Frontline Enablement Playbook. They explore why the traditional L&D toolkit often fails the deskless workforce and how JD's experience at Disney helped shape a more grounded, practical philosophy for supporting those whose "office" is a shop floor, a hospital wing, or a delivery vehicle. JD reflects on the shift from digital accessibility to true operational enablement, arguing that L&D must stop asking how to get workers onto a desktop and start asking how to deliver value in the flow of demanding, high-pressure work. They delve into the impact of AI on frontline development, the necessity of data-driven strategies, and how to empower overstretched frontline managers to support their teams. JD provides a roadmap for evolving L&D from a corporate function into a vital support system that recognises skills, respects time, and drives genuine organisational performance. Take your L&D to the next level Take advantage of thousands of hours of analysis. Hundreds of conversations with industry innovators and 25+ years of hands-on global L&D leadership. It's all distilled into one framework to help you level up L&D. Access the L&D Maturity Model here - https://360learning.com/maturity-model KEY TAKEAWAYS Frontline enablement means shifting L&D's focus from learning outputs to helping people do their jobs in time‑starved, heavily measured operations.   Build genuine community - start by helping overwhelmed managers succeed.   Technology and AI only add value when they're grounded in real workflows, hardware constraints, and operational data.   Leverage the rich data around frontline roles. BEST MOMENTS “I'm not here to help people learn, I'm here to help people do - to help the organisation achieve by the everyday performance of the people who are doing the heavy lifting.” “The strongest frontline teams work in service of one another, in service of a shared success, in service of a pride in doing the job well and doing the job well together.” JD Dillon Bio JD Dillon began his career on the frontline, leading teams in theme parks, movie theatres, and contact centres. These roles shaped his understanding of how people learn, perform, and succeed in fast-paced environments. Over the past 25 years, JD has become a leading voice in frontline enablement, holding operations, marketing, and talent development roles with global organisations including Disney, AMC, and Kaplan. He has helped shape strategy, technology, and services that empower millions of frontline workers across industries such as retail, food service, hospitality, logistics, and financial services. A respected author, content creator, and keynote speaker, JD advises organisations on frontline performance strategy, ecosystem design, and AI-enabled solutions. His latest book, The Frontline Enablement Playbook – Equip Your Deskless Workforce to Power Organizational Performance, is a blueprint for rethinking how organisations engage and empower deskless workers. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jddillon/ Frontline Enablement Playbook - Equip Your Deskless Workforce to Power Organiaztional Performance, https://jddillon.com/ VALUABLE RESOURCES L&D Master Class Series: https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home ABOUT THE HOST David has been a People Development professional for more than 20 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning & OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East & Africa.  As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&D.  CONTACT https://twitter.com/davidinlearning https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin https://360learning.com/the-l-and-d-collective This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/

Most enablement teams can tell you how many people sat through a course, but not whether any of it moved the business. In this special Content to Close episode, Erika Robertson, Director of Enablement at Citrix, walks through how she proves enablement is worth the budget by starting with the end in mind. Erika is certified through the ROI Institute and uses the Phillips ROI methodology from Jack and Patty Phillips, which she contrasts with the Kirkpatrick model most L&D and enablement teams default to. She explains how she builds the measurement plan before any content exists, so she can go back to stakeholders and say, this is how I will show you it worked. She covers identifying the metric category or bucket first, then finding a baseline like average deal size or sales cycle time for a group before a program runs, aligning instructional strategies to the business outcomes that matter, and her discipline that if something cannot be measured or will not move the business, it is probably not worth the investment. If you have ever struggled to connect your enablement work to real business results, this conversation gives you the framework.About ErikaErika Robertson is the Director of Enablement at Citrix, where she supports internal go-to-market teams, partners, and customers. She thought she would become a teacher coming out of college, then found her way into training adults instead, and has spent almost her entire career in enablement inside software companies including Cisco, SAP, and VMware. She holds a master's in instructional technology and is certified through the ROI Institute in the Phillips ROI methodology. She is passionate about enablement, go-to-market enablement, and instructional design, and about staying true to those principles even as AI changes the work.Show NotesConnect with Erika on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erikajrobertson/ROI Institute (Phillips ROI methodology, founded by Jack and Patty Phillips)Text us what you think about this episode!

In this episode, Abhishek Srivastava, a senior product marketing manager at Simpplr, joins Louise Liu to share his insights on why internal enablement is the hardest part of go-to-market. He breaks down what GTM really means, common mistakes product marketers make, and how strong enablement drives real business impact beyond the launch.For more information, please check out Abhishekl's article: Your GTM Plan Is Only as Good as Your Internal Enablement.

Can AI help insurance agencies grow faster without simply adding more headcount?In this episode of XTraw AI, Raghu Banda speaks with Ryan Deeds, Head of AI & Enablement at ALKEME, about how AI is being embedded into real insurance agency workflows to remove friction, improve decisions, and create measurable business impact.How AI can eliminate manual bottlenecks and create operational capacityWhy data, analytics, and enablement are key to scaling agency growthWhat separates practical AI adoption from just adding another technology layerYou can reach @ Ryan DeedsMy LinkedIn @ Raghu BandaOur Website @ XTraw AI

In this episode, Jason and Mitch Thomas from Brooksource, talk about how to position enablement as a true sales partner, the plays their nearly 200 AEs use to self-source pipeline without an SDR team, and the in-person cohort onboarding that gets new reps ramped fast. Check out more free content and get help with outbound at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://outboundsquad.com.⁠

Neste episódio do Vamos de Vendas, Gustavo Pagotto recebe Anderson Munhoz, Diretor de Vendas Enterprise na Meu Copo Eco, para uma conversa sobre Revenue Operations, Sales Enablement e os desafios de criar uma operação comercial escalável, previsível e orientada por dados.Ao longo do episódio, Anderson explica por que RevOps e Enablement devem caminhar juntos desde os primeiros dias da empresa, mostrando como processos bem estruturados impactam diretamente a produtividade, a adoção de CRM e o crescimento da receita. Ele compartilha experiências práticas sobre onboarding de vendedores, construção de playbooks, monitoramento de performance e os erros mais comuns que impedem equipes comerciais de escalar.

The structural shift highlighted in this episode is a move from simple AI enablement to a managed service model centered on agent governance, enforcement, and workflow automation within IT environments. The episode identifies unmanaged AI agents as a source of escalating risk, citing vendors like Scalepad shifting from remote monitoring to SaaS and AI usage discovery, and referencing research and audits from SNCC and Verizon that identify tangible security flaws and unapproved AI activity within organizations. Managed service providers are increasingly positioned as the operational layer that defines and enforces governance over automation systems, rather than simply deploying AI tools. The primary evidence for this shift is found in audit findings and market reports. SNCC's audit of 4,000 AI agent skills showed over a third had at least one security flaw, while Verizon's data cited by The Register noted a fourfold increase in employees using unauthorized generative AI, with 28% of data loss prevention violations involving code or proprietary data submitted to AI platforms. Gartner, as reported by The Register, predicts 40% of organizations will demote or remove AI agents due to failed governance efforts—attributing the problem to all-or-nothing approaches that lead to operational and compliance failures. Secondary developments reinforce the move toward operationalized governance. Scalepad and Watchguard are bringing AI and SaaS governance capabilities to the MSP channel, with product releases focused on real-time discovery, policy enforcement, and automation control. Incidents like Anthropic's leak of its full source code for Claude Code, exposing permission and sandboxing details, illustrate how transparency in AI agent operations can also create attack vectors—emphasizing the need for robust operational controls and ongoing auditability. The market is shifting to sell "coherence"—packaging identity, permissions, and workflow automation—rather than just technological capability. Operationally, the consequences for MSPs include increased responsibility for defining and enforcing permission boundaries, approval rules, and evidence collection. Failure to address agent governance will expose providers to operational ambiguity, unpriced liability, and recurring support burdens. The guidance is to move beyond AI enablement projects and toward agent operation retainers that include clear workflows, permission maps, execution logs, and contractual clarity on responsibility and incident management. MSPs that cannot prove and control agent behavior risk inheriting the complexity and fallout from system failures or misuse. 00:00 Shadow AI Surge  05:01 Context Is Infrastructure 07:46 Agent Control Plane 11:16 Why Do We Care?  Supported by:  JumpCloud TimeZest 

 Ramkumar Narayanan | EVP, Head of India and Philippines,AI technology Enablement,FIS  Ramkumar Narayanan is a global leader focusing on data driven, digital product innovation spanning consumer and enterprise markets. He brings a vast experience in product development, product management and product marketing having led both new market entry and turnaround of existing business areas. He has been an advisor to Enterprises, large and small, in the arena of digital transformation, product strategy and product marketing. Ram is currently EVP Technology & Services at FIS India and Philippines. Prior to joining FIS, he served in global leadership positions at VMware, eBay, Yahoo! and Microsoft. He started his career in the auto industry in US developing software solutions for design and packaging of automotive suspension and powertrain systems. Ram formerly served on the Executive Council of NASSCOM and was Chairperson NASSCOM Product/Deep Tech Council.Ramkumar Narayanan holds a B.E. in Mechanical Engineering from Anna University, Chennai, M.S. in Mechanical Engineering & MBA from University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.  

What happens when early success teaches you confidence… and failure teaches you who you really are? In this episode, Christin and Amber sit down with INSPIRED Vibe's Director of Sales Strategy and Enablement, Phillip Lechter, to talk about the unusual journey that led him from the family business of Rich Dad Poor Dad to sales leadership, coaching, entrepreneurship, and helping companies sharpen how they communicate and grow. Raised around some of the biggest names in personal development and business, Phillip learned early lessons about sales, leadership, risk-taking, and skill-building. But it wasn't until the 2008 housing crisis forced him to rebuild after major losses that he truly understood resilience, humility, and the importance of constantly evolving. Key Topics: Growing up around entrepreneurs and major motivational leaders Why learning skills matters more than chasing titles or income The business and life lessons hidden inside failure and reinvention How sales messaging and coaching became his long-term passion Why pivots, persistence, and experimentation create unexpected opportunities If you're building something, reinventing yourself, or trying to become better at leadership, sales, or life, this conversation is for you. It's especially valuable for those navigating career pivots, setbacks, or seeking personal growth. It challenges the idea that success is linear and reminds listeners that long-term growth comes from continuously learning, adapting, and staying willing to move forward even after failure. Like, subscribe, and listen for more real conversations with leaders, founders, and people who are dedicated to growing. Follow INSPIRED Vibe     IG: https://www.instagram.com/inspirethevibe/    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@inspirethevibe    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@inspirethevibe     LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/inspirethevibe/        Follow the hosts and guest  Christin's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christindaniels/    Amber's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amberhalvorson/    Phillip's LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/philliplechter/

According to Highspot’s Go-To-Market Gap Report, 98% of leaders say their GTM strategy is active, but only 10% see it driving results. The reason for that? Strategy abounds. Real meaningful execution, not so much. So how do you overcome the go-to-market performance gap and bridge that growing rift between strategy and execution? Riley Rogers: Hi, and welcome to the Win/Win Podcast. I’m your host, Riley Rogers. Join us as we dive into changing trends in the workplace and how to navigate them successfully. Here to discuss this topic is Jacob Keith, senior revenue enablement specialist at HealthJoy. Thank you so much for joining us today, Jacob. I’m super excited to dive into your experience. So could you kick us off just by sharing a little bit about yourself, your background, and the role you’re in currently? Jacob Keeth: Yeah, absolutely. Also, Riley, thanks so much for having me on. I’m really grateful and excited that we get the chance to chat about something so consequential and oddly kind of fun. So I’m just looking forward to it. My name’s Jacob. Professionally speaking, I’ve been working in enablement for just shy of five years and worked in sales for a year prior to that doing SDR prospecting work. I’ve done all types of enablement, everything from onboarding-focused work to focusing on BDRs and prospecting. Now at my current company, HealthJoy, it’s been so much fun. We’re operating in primarily a channel sales method, so we’re working through individuals who then sell our product, which has been a really fun and complicated task from the enablement perspective. We’ll dive all into that today. RR: Awesome. So exciting that you’re in a role that’s challenging you and building on all of those skills that you were learning and picking up along the way. Before we jump in, I’d love if you could set the stage for those of us not familiar with HealthJoy—who you are, what you do, who you serve, and then maybe a little bit of that sales motion that you touched on. JK: HealthJoy is a benefits operating system, and really what we do is help make sure that companies’ benefits strategies and plans actually work as designed. What do I mean by that? Well, I’m sure, Riley, as you’ve experienced too, companies typically have a pretty fragmented benefits plan, right? There’s the medical plan, the dental plan, maybe individual solutions. Usually these companies all have different logins, different ways to access them, and there’s not necessarily a concrete place where you can go to get all that information inside of one environment. Also, the reality is, if I’m debating whether I need to go to the ER right now, I can tell you the last place I’m gonna go is logging into my company’s intranet to figure out which ER is best applicable to me and which one is likely gonna work with my insurance. We make healthcare decisions through the path of least resistance, and frankly, they’re usually made in situations where we don’t have the luxury of time. This is really where HealthJoy can come in. With HealthJoy, companies can unite that benefits ecosystem into one seamless platform. We use an AI assistant called Joy AI, as well as human concierges, to give our end members or employees personalized guidance and proactive support. That’s really where HealthJoy finds itself: being that benefits operating system that puts everything together and helps you, Riley, make the right decision at the right time. So that’s the big-picture view of what the company is and what we do. Now, how do we actually do it? The way HealthJoy operates is we work through what you’d call a benefits consultant. Your HR team at your business is probably working with an external benefits agency, consultant, or broker to help curate and strategize that benefits plan to maximize its effectiveness and cost for the business. We work through them, build really meaningful relationships with brokers all across the United States, and then from there, when there’s strategic alignment and the broker believes in us and our message, they’ll introduce us to clients where they think we can help that company advance its mission because they align with the kinds of things we’re offering. So that’s what we’d call a channel sales methodology. We’re working with people who then sell in tandem with us. From an enablement perspective, you’re not only trying to enable your selling team, but you’re also asking: how can I best train these folks to then go and enable the hundreds of brokers they’re all working with individually around the country? RR: I think your marketing and comms team is really gonna be thrilled because that was a great pitch. It almost seems like you have to, as an enabler, play a game of telephone. You have one message to share with folks internally that you then need them to get out the right way externally. It sounds like it’s quite the challenge, especially given that, like you shared, HealthJoy is in kind of a unique position at the intersection of tech and all of the wonderful complexity that comes with healthcare. So how does that industry challenge shape the way your go-to-market teams need to operate, and what kind of challenges does that create for you on the enablement side? JK: Yeah, that complexity gives me a lot of job security. So it is a real challenge. One thing HealthJoy has gotten really good at over the last year is defining who our ideal customer is. Is it the end-user employer? Is it the member who would experience it? Is it the broker we’re targeting? And it really is the broker. Those are the folks we’re working with, building meaningful relationships with, and who can open up so much opportunity for us as a business. When a broker believes in us, it pays huge dividends in both effectiveness and outcomes. At that intersection of tech and healthcare, another interesting element that often shows up in enablement is onboarding. You look at who we hire as our sales reps—we’re looking for people who typically have a strong background in healthcare and great existing relationships with brokers around the United States. Then they’re coming into an environment where maybe they weren’t in a tech environment at all. So how do we equip these individuals to feel really confident in a remote sales environment that’s very tech-forward? HealthJoy as a company is also heavily leaning into AI internally and externally. So convincing our sellers that the direction we’re taking as a company is one they can understand, intuit, and promote into the market is a real challenge. It’s multi-step. An adage I try to live by as an enabler—and this is really a hallmark of adult education—is the question: what’s in it for me? If it’s not relevant for that seller, they’re not going to retain it, even if they want to. Even if their boss is pleading with them, “You have to know this. This has to make sense for you.” If there’s not an immediate connection to why this matters for me and my paycheck at the end of the day, it’s not going to stick. That’s not selfishness. That’s just the reality of how adults learn and prioritize what’s important. So for us, we have to make sure the messages we’re positioning—whether they’re for the seller to use, for the seller to communicate to their broker, or for the end member—have a really clear through line. The rep needs to know what’s in it for them and who that message is for throughout. It can be complicated. It can be a real challenge to make sure we’re nailing that every single time. I get a negative shiver down my spine every time I hear a message about what HealthJoy is that doesn’t align with the message we’re putting out into the market. Because I know for every one rep who says that, there’s probably a dozen brokers who hear it too. And we’re working with brokers over the course of years. So if that broker got a demo of HealthJoy three years ago and thinks, “I know it. I’m good to move forward,” how do we keep our existing brokers who love us educated on what’s happening across the market and how we’re evolving as a company? RR: It’s kind of fascinating. I feel like sometimes you talk to folks and the challenge of bringing in sellers is getting them up to speed on the complex side of the industry. If I’m chatting with fintech customers, it’s understanding the financial environment. Or with health tech customers, it’s learning how to speak about healthcare. But you have the reverse challenge. You’re bringing in sales reps who maybe were in the field or in more traditional spaces, and now you need to get them up to speed on all of the innovation that comes with a tech company. So it’s a very unique challenge, and it sounds like it’s one you’re well-equipped to tackle. You described yourself as someone who really excels at turning ideas into repeatable, measurable processes. I’d love if you could tell us, from your perspective, how you’re connecting strategy to execution, because as that stat we opened with tells us, things tend to get lost in translation. JK: For me, when it comes to turning things into repeatable and measurable processes—especially as an enablement team of one—my thought is this: pick really carefully and be ready to pivot. Especially in a startup environment, odds are if you’re an enablement team of one, you’re in a company that’s still developing. There isn’t a strong adherence to “the way things have always been,” or a large team and lots of infrastructure supporting the organization. It’s you. You are the brand of enablement. Who you represent and how you show up is what enablement is perceived as by your organization every single time. So with that, be really careful about what you choose to make repeatable. I get so many asks every month: “Hey, I’d love to make a process on this,” or “Can we update XYZ?” But I have to be mindful of the opportunity cost of saying yes to developing more things, because all of those things have downstream maintenance and upkeep. It’s more to manage, which steals time I wasn’t intending to give six months from now. So when it comes to measurable processes, we basically say: let’s take the idea and find a couple key metrics. As a team of one, pick one or two that really matter to your executives, then ask yourself: is this worth keeping track of? Is this worth my bandwidth over the next year or two? There’s another line our CEO says frequently: “80% today is better than 100% two weeks from now.” Now, that doesn’t mean deliver lackluster work. But especially as an enablement person, I’m a perfectionist. I want things to look and feel really good. I want them to be intuitive and usable. But sometimes the pace of the organization demands that we move faster. If I can embody the reality that 80% today is better than 100% later, I can deliver work that really matters, drives impact, and still allows me to pivot and adapt quickly. Because the more perfect we make something, the more maintenance it often requires. That’s a profound hidden cost for enablement organizations: what does it cost to maintain the standards you’re presenting? That’s a lesson I’ve had to learn the hard way. I’ve done it well and really poorly at different points in my career. And I think it can really make or break your own love of enablement—whether it’s something you can continue to grow in, or whether you end up stuck inside the castle you built yourself. RR: I think you just gave us a framework of two very practical questions you can ask yourself as you’re looking at a request from your sales team or something coming cross-functionally: Is it going to be valuable for me to invest in this? And what does timely execution look like? How can I get something out that is useful and delivers business value, even if it doesn’t meet every single standard I have? That’s really helpful for anybody who’s trying to ruthlessly prioritize, which I know is hard. JK: Because it’s all important, right? Everyone has great ideas, but if 30 things fall in your lap to manage and maintain, congrats—you just built yourself three jobs, none of which have much capacity to strategically grow in the future. It becomes about project and program maintenance, which is valuable and important, but as a team of one or a lean enablement team, it’s a non-starter. It can’t be part of the equation that often. And when it is, it’s gotta be really important to make it worthwhile. RR: 100%. I wonder if we can ground this thinking in an example. Recently, HealthJoy launched a new go-to-market message. So, when you’re talking about scaling ideas and execution—in this case, a new message and a new market perception—what do you find are the key ingredients to success in making that strategy become reality? JK: Yeah, absolutely. For 2026, our message is: “HealthJoy is the benefits operating system that makes your benefits strategy work as designed.” I think the way we get this to stick in the market with these very disparate audiences is the same story internally as well. We have to make sure everyone’s on the same page. A couple of things stand out for me from an adult education and enablement perspective. First, when you’re talking about large company-wide initiatives, you have to define the problem incredibly clearly. Why is what we’re doing right now not working? Again, getting at that adult education mentality of “what’s in it for me?” The reality is: what’s happening now isn’t working for you. If it’s not a compelling and inspiring vision, people won’t care. They’ll stick with what they’re doing today because the status quo is always easier than change. I need to understand that changing my behavior and changing how I’m presenting messaging in the market means every demo and sales pitch now has to adjust because of this. That’s no small lift. So be really clear about what’s not working now, where we’re going in the future, why it’s better, and why sellers should care. Second: repetition. I’m a really big fan of multimodal learning for reps. That means delivering content through stand-and-present sessions, team trainings, one-on-one conversations, learning management systems, videos—I've even recorded podcasts. You have to hit learners in different ways from where they are. One thing I can never let myself forget is that I cannot assume people are paying attention the first time. They’re distracted with XYZ—you fill in the blank. We owe double the responsibility to be repetitive with our content if we actually want it to stick. Saying, “Well, I trained on it once. I sent the deliverable. I gave the email recap. That should be enough,” isn’t enough. In enablement, we should be asking not whether we think we did enough, but whether it actually worked. And where we can, let’s let reps weigh in on the decisions. Obviously, a single seller probably isn’t going to reshape your whole go-to-market message. But in our case, we had reps test this out in their markets first and give us feedback on what was resonating. Reps felt like they were part of the process from day one because they were brought into those conversations to help steer the organization. When we do these things together, it creates a deep sense of confidence and a steady vision. RR: Yeah, and it sounds like these are all layers of that foundational piece of “what’s in it for you?” How can we message that, and then how can I make sure that everywhere you’re working and telling our story, you have what you need to tell it the right way? I love that it all ladders up to that primary objective. JK: Because it’s fundamentally behavior change, right? How do we actually drive real behavior change instead of just checking boxes that say, “Well, this should’ve changed the behavior”? And in a remote environment, working with sellers who may be coming from non-tech backgrounds, this has to be done with excellence or it’s going to fail. RR: Mm-hmm. And when we’re talking about behavior change, can you share where a tool like Highspot fits into the picture and how you’re using it to bring new programs, processes, and this messaging shift to life? JK: The way I’ve positioned Highspot in the organization—and I think it’s gotten a lot of traction—is that it’s a beautiful place that reps can trust. That’s kind of my tagline for it. Primarily, we use Highspot to organize our internal sales policies, external sales collateral, Digital Rooms, and a couple of AutoDocs. How our reps mostly understand the platform is this: it’s the centralized database where they can trust they’re getting the most up-to-date content. They can send it out through the platform, track it, and see how it’s performing with customers. When I was interviewing for this role, I talked with a couple other enablement leaders, and one thing someone said really stuck with me: “Beautiful things get used.” Highspot, when you put in a little work, can look so pleasing and inviting. It’s just a great UI. When I came into the organization, there were three different versions of content in Highspot. It wasn’t well maintained for a variety of reasons. But I knew that to maximize the effectiveness of the platform, we had to clean it up and create a compelling vision for why reps should use this instead of their own private Google Drive with five downloaded resources. How could I give them a compelling vision that centralization is better? We started by making it really appealing, really beautiful, and simple to navigate. So when we talk about driving behavior change, you need tools in a remote environment that categorize what great looks like, make it really clear, create centralized expectations, and stop reps from running off like lone cowboys and cowgirls across the country. We need a central standard for what great looks like and what good content is. Highspot serves that role well because reps trust it. It’s cleaned up, it’s beautiful, and it’s enjoyable to use. And then on top of that, they get the tracking, benefits, and analytics on the backend. RR: If you look at the data, it shows that what you’re doing is working and that these philosophies are really resonating with your teams because you’ve driven 93% recurring usage of the platform. Pretty much everybody is coming back time and time again. When you’ve made something people want to come back to and find real value in, that’s fantastic. JK: It was honestly one of my proudest moments in my first few months here. When I joined HealthJoy a little over a year ago, Highspot was one of the first projects I took on as an enabler. I thought, “I want to revamp this experience.” At that point, the main concern I was hearing—because I met with every rep individually—was: “I don’t know what content is up to date. It takes me forever to find what I’m looking for.” In my brain, because my previous company used Highspot, I immediately thought: ding, ding, ding. There’s an easy solution to this. We have it. We just need to make this the default behavior. So I did a couple things. One, I pitched and presented it. I met with reps one-on-one to understand their problems, then met with some of them again to say, “Hey, here’s the solution. This is kind of your idea because you said this was an issue.” They had buy-in. Then, I built a treasure hunt, which was basically a 30-question quiz where reps had to navigate through Highspot, find resources, create pages, and complete tasks. Naturally, reps didn’t love the idea of homework. Who would? But about two months into my role, we had an onsite in Chicago. At a team dinner, one of the managers said in front of everyone: “Jacob, we’ve been talking and we’ve all agreed—we’re gonna do your treasure hunt.” That was a key turning point for us. If you want Highspot—or any tool—to work, reps need to have buy-in. And especially on enablement teams of one or two, you’re the brand. If they’re not bought into you, they’re not going to buy into what you’re implementing. RR: On that topic of making life easier, you mentioned a few use cases where Highspot comes into play with both optimization and time savings, especially with Digital Rooms and AutoDocs. With these capabilities fueling external sharing and customization to brokers’ processes, what workflow improvements have you seen, and how has that reduced complexity for the sales team? JK: I’ll give one example. Alongside a formal price quote, we send out a proposal form. It’s the more beautiful, easy-to-read version of the formal quote. It gives the compelling narrative for why someone should use the platform and what’s included in their package. Previously, the process was basically a Google Drive template where reps manually adjusted text boxes. I would hear stories of reps spending two to three hours realigning boxes into a single vertical line. And they’re like, “This is so dumb.” I understood the frustration, but proposals still have to look excellent. There’s no excuse. So that was the first AutoDoc we took on. In some cases, building a proposal was taking reps two to three hours. On average, probably about an hour if everything went well. We streamlined that process dramatically. Every prospect got a proposal, but the process went from 45–60 minutes down to at most 15 minutes, and on average about five. It took me a lot of hours upfront to build, but the payoff was immediate. I think within the first year, something like 70 proposals had already been sent through that auto doc. When I calculated the time savings, I was thrilled. And I could’ve built that AutoDoc six months earlier, but because we didn’t yet have the platform engagement and trust, nobody would’ve trusted what came next. We had to solve the foundational issues first: engagement and trust. Once reps believed this was better than the alternatives, then we could deliver the “chef’s kiss” features. But we had to get them in the door first. Otherwise, we were dead on arrival. RR: I really like that framing of building the foundation first and spending time building trust. Now that you have adoption and users are bought in—sending proposals, sharing content, tracking engagement—what impact would you say this work has had on the business overall? JK: I think it was the first case under my stewardship of enablement at HealthJoy where I could say: “I hear you. This project was done in response to your needs. Trust me with the solution, and you’re going to see the positive outcome because of it.” It showed a really clear way that, as a solo enabler, I could offer real value and build a strong partnership with the sales team. Because I’m not their boss. I’m their peer who’s here to think strategically alongside them and help them win revenue more easily. I also think the Highspot rollout set us on a trajectory where we could repeat that process. The change in go-to-market messaging came on the heels of Highspot. Even though they weren’t the same project, that organizational muscle had already been exercised successfully. RR: You’re in a fast-moving startup environment, and now you have that central source of truth so that as things change, you can help your reps change with them. As we’re wrapping up, if there’s one crystallizing theme for enablement teams operating with limited capacity or as a team of one, what advice would you give on prioritization and focusing efforts to drive the most impact? JK: I’m learning this lesson a lot right now. As an enablement team of one—or even two—have really great partnerships and open conversations across the business: with your CEO, your C-suite, sales leaders, marketing, and product. You really do serve as connective tissue. One thing I can struggle with is getting so stuck in training, training, training that I forget to ask: what’s the highest-impact thing I can spend my time on to drive business outcomes? That may be training, but it may also mean joining tiger teams across the business, helping investigate new products or strategies, and bringing an enablement perspective into implementation planning. So keep an ear to the ground. Stay responsive to business needs. Be open to pivoting quickly. Don’t pigeonhole yourself into saying, “In enablement, I do onboarding and training, and that’s it.” Enablement is dynamic by design, and that’s why I love it so much. I’ve joked that any six-month snapshot of my enablement career would probably look like a completely different job description. That’s just the name of the game. So embrace change. Look for where the cheese is moving, and don’t get mad that your cheese got moved. Also, champion your successes. Especially in a small enablement team, people want to know what’s happening. But in a remote environment, if you’re not shouting from the rooftops about the cool things you’re doing, they won’t get seen. That’s just reality. So especially for newer enablement pros, don’t be afraid to champion your work because it’s super cool. And finally, going full circle to what we talked about at the beginning: only scale the things that aren’t going to steal your time. Scale the things you’re willing to continue investing in. That’s what keeps you dynamic, strategic, and able to adapt to new opportunities while still helping champion your reps across the organization. RR: I think it’s really powerful that every piece of advice you just shared ties directly back to examples from your own work. Even that last point—“scale what doesn’t steal your time”—showed up in your proposal example. Yes, it took time upfront, but it saved time down the line and was the right place to invest. Thank you for such practical and applicable advice for anyone trying to prioritize, manage competing asks, and figure out where to focus their efforts.Really wonderful insights throughout this conversation. We’re so grateful you took the time to share them with us. JK: Thanks so much, Riley. This has been a ton of fun. RR: To our audience, thank you for listening to this episode of the Win Win podcast. Be sure to tune in next time for more insights on how you can maximize go-to-market success with Highspot.

Während die Schlagzeilen fast täglich neue Modell-Updates feiern, plädiert Fabian Ulitzka (Gründer von faive) für einen Perspektivwechsel. In dieser Folge von Digitale Vorreiter:innen erklärt der erfahrene Unternehmer, warum Unternehmen nicht primär technologischen Trends folgen sollten, sondern ihre eigene Wertschöpfung konsequent neu definieren müssen. Fabian räumt mit dem Mythos auf, dass KI lediglich ein Werkzeug zur Effizienzsteigerung ist. Er zeigt auf, wie Marketing-Teams durch echtes Enablement und den Einsatz von KI-Agenten den Sprung von der reinen Content-Produktion hin zu echter Innovation und nachhaltigem Wachstum meistern.

JD Dillon is a Speaker, Technologist, and Author of The Frontline Enablement Playbook, a new book focused on helping organizations better support frontline and deskless workers. In this conversation, JD shares why frontline managers are some of the most important and overlooked people in the workplace. He unpacks the challenges they face every day, from constant unpredictability to limited support, and explains why traditional leadership development often misses the mark. Finally, JD also explores what organizations can do differently to better enable frontline teams, build stronger workplace communities, and create environments where people can thrive. LinksJD's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jddillon/JD's Book: https://jddillon.com/frontlinebook/

THE BACKSTAGE | Dive into Patrick Lencioni's The Six Types of Working Genius, nicknamed “WIDGET,” explaining how work moves through ideation (Wonder, Invention), activation (Discernment, Galvanizing), and implementation (Enablement, Tenacity). Dylan, Vic, Anna and Abbie discuss how Working Genius clarifies which people need to be in which meetings, why meetings get frustrating, and how teams can identify missing “gifts.” They share their own pairings, competencies, and frustrations, connect the model to the other personality profiles used at C21SRE, and emphasize using the framework to collaborate better, reduce anxiety, and intentionally pull in complementary teammates. You can access the resource here. In this episode:   00:00 Behind the Curtain Intro   01:07 Why Working Genius Matters   04:35 Tools and Unique Ability   06:25 Three Phases of Work   08:44 Wonder and Invention   10:46 Discernment and Galvanizing   13:16 Enablement and Tenacity   20:13 Team Results and Frustrations   24:45 Missing Genius Frustrations   26:26 Discernment Isn't Intelligence   28:34 Filling Gaps on Teams   29:03 Vic Questions Her Type   32:18 Unique Ability Shortcut   35:20 Comparing Everyone's Statements   39:39 Team Takeaways and Next Steps   41:06 Using Widgets in Meetings   47:14 Building the Self Awareness Framework   48:54 Quarterly Check-ins Ahead   49:14 Onward and Upward Wrap   Subscribe to the More Than More Podcast for new weekly episodes as we discuss building meaningful and impactful businesses, careers, and lives through real estate. Apple Podcasts Spotify YouTube 

The second of three episodes recorded at Google Cloud NEXT, Las Vegas in partnership with Kyndryl where we explore how enterprises are moving from AI experimentation to real, scaled impact, across infrastructure, applications, customer experience and workforce transformation. Host Russell Goldsmith was joined by: 1/ Anshu Kak, Global Vice President Google Cloud, Kyndryl 2/ Rajiv Batra, Director, Head of GSI Partnerships, Google 3/ Kieren Johnson, Head of IT, Ocado Retail 4/ Kimberly Agin, Head of Business Performance and Enablement, KeyBank 5/ Mauro Flores, EVP of Data Democratisation, Virgin Media O2 6/ Ryan Henry, Director, Infrastructure and Support, Randstad US Anshu Kak, Global Vice President, Google Cloud at Kyndryl, and Rajiv Batra, Director & Head of GSI Partnerships at Google, open the episode with a deep dive into the shift from “trying AI” to building agentic operating systems. They explain how Google and Kyndryl's joint plays, innovate, modernise, secure, help enterprises adopt agentic AI frameworks, modernise VMware and mainframe estates, and navigate sovereignty with Google Distributed Cloud. Kieren Johnson, Head of IT at Ocado Retail, reflects on his panel about hyper‑personalised CX. He shares why personalisation at scale requires sensitivity to human behaviour, including the unexpected discovery that drivers preferred speaking to human advisors over voice bots. Kimberly Agin, Head of Business Performance & Enablement at KeyBank, discusses how the bank has built the foundations for agentic CX in the contact centre. She outlines how human and non‑human agents work in tandem, how KeyBank uses data to contain 70% of digital queries, and why natural‑language routing is transforming the IVR experience. Mauro Flores, EVP of Data Democratisation at Virgin Media O2, explains how the organisation is using AI to unlock value from its vast data estate, accelerate decision‑making and empower teams with self‑serve insights. Ryan Henry, Director of Infrastructure & Support at Randstad US, brings a workforce‑technology perspective, sharing how agentic AI is reshaping talent operations, support models and employee experience. A rich, fast‑moving episode capturing how global enterprises are modernising infrastructure, rethinking customer engagement, and preparing their people and platforms for the agentic AI era.

This Inbound Logistics/IFS Softeon video podcast explores the role of WMS enablement tools and how they help organizations unlock more flexibility, scalability, and efficiency within their warehouse operations. Mark Fralick, CTO of IFS Softeon takes a broader look at the challenges operations teams face when configuring, deploying, and maintaining a WMS in dynamic environments. From onboarding new customers and launching new facilities to managing ongoing system changes, we discuss why enablement tools have become critical to reducing complexity and accelerating time to value. FOR MORE INFORMATION: https://www.softeon.com/ WANT TO RESPOND TO THIS EPISODE? Call our Dialog Line: 888-878-3247 DOWNLOAD THE NEW INBOUND LOGISTICS APP featuring the updated and expanded Logistics Planner! Available on iTunes and the Google Play Store: bit.ly/ILMagApp  bit.ly/ILMagAppGoogle Are you a #logistics Thought Leader that would like to be featured on the Inbound Logistics Podcast?  Connect with me on X:  @ILMagPodcast Email me: podcast@inboundlogistics.com   Connect with Inbound Logistics Magazine on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/inbound-logistics Follow us on X: www.twitter.com/ILMagazine Like us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/InboundLogistics Catch our latest videos on YouTube: www.youtube.com/inboundlogistics   Visit us at www.inboundlogistics.com

Is AI actually transforming wholesale distribution, or are we just managing our businesses with better dashboards?In Episode of Around the Horn in Wholesale Distribution, Kevin Brown and Tom Burton unpack the real story behind AI enablement, tariff refund chaos, Iran and oil market volatility, Amazon Business strategy, Fed rate policy, industrial M&A, and robotics. This episode connects geopolitics, supply chain economics, B2B eCommerce, and AI adoption into one clear message: technology must enable growth, not just manage operations.What You'll Learn:Why most B2B leaders are not AI ready, and why the issue is structural, not technicalHow to use the Discover, Alert, Guide, Automate framework to enable sales and operations teamsWhat tariff refunds mean for distributors, manufacturers, and downstream customersWhy Amazon Business may be a strategic opportunity, not just channel conflictHow Iran, oil markets, and interest rate policy directly impact wholesale distribution marginsWhy industrial branch traffic is improving despite low consumer sentimentEpisode Highlights:03:15 – Why AI is not the strategy, enablement is09:24 – How unified data across ERP, CRM, and eCommerce uncovers hidden growth17:23 – Iran, oil prices, and why the Strait of Hormuz matters to distributors30:49 – Kevin Warsh, rate cuts, and AI productivity gains35:33 – Tariff refund portal launches, what it means for supply chains45:06 – Industrial branch traffic improves, what that signals for demand56:23 – Why 86 percent of B2B leaders are not AI ready01:07:55 – Tesla Optimus and the future of robotics in manufacturingTools, Frameworks, and Strategies Mentioned:Discover, Alert, Guide, Automate enablement modelAI powered CRM and unified data platformsAmazon Business B2B marketplace analyticsTariff refund portal processEnterprise growth platform strategyIndustrial M&A consolidation trendsClosing Insight:The future of wholesale distribution will not be decided by who adopts AI first, but by who uses technology to enable smarter decisions, faster execution, and clearer visibility across the customer journey.Leave a Review: Help us grow by sharing your thoughts on the show.Learn more about the LeadSmart AI B2B Sales Platform: https://www.leadsmarttech.com/Join the conversation each week on LinkedIn Live.Want even more insight to the stories we discuss each week? Subscribe to the Around The Horn Newsletter.You can also hear the podcast and other excellent content on our YouTube Channel.Follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or TikTok.

Is your degree program past its "sell-by date"?In this episode of An Educated Guest, Todd Zipper sits down with Norm Allgood, Dean and CEO of the Lyonova Institute at Saint Leo University, for a candid look at the "mechanical truths" of higher education. After years of building Synergis Education and advising over 75 institutions, Norm is sounding the alarm: higher education is sleepwalking toward a cliff.Norm breaks down the framework from his latest book, 10 Pillars of AI Enablement, explaining how universities can move beyond "detecting" AI to leveraging it as a force multiplier for student success. We dive into "Operation Relaunch" at Saint Leo, the urgent need to close the "experience gap" for graduates, and why the 1906 architecture of the Carnegie Unit is the biggest barrier to innovation in Title IV funding today.In this episode, we discuss:Why "Super Catholics" and mission-aligned work brought Norm back to the institutional side.The difference between AI implementation and AI enablement.The rise of "Category Killers": How non-Title IV providers are out-pacing traditional degrees in ROI.Why the 18-to-24-month window for AI adoption is the make-or-break moment for "laggard" institutions.

If you've been paying attention to how AI is changing the freelance landscape, you've noticed something: the types of help clients need are shifting. Fast. A year ago, most conversations were about one thing: how do I keep getting hired when AI can produce a first draft (even it it's low-quality) in seconds? That's a fair question. But it's the wrong place to stop. Because underneath that conversation, something bigger is happening. Clients are recognizing they need different kinds of help. Many don't even know how to articulate what they need yet. They just know they're stuck. And the data backs this up. According to McKinsey's "State of Organizations 2026" report, 88 percent of organizations are now deploying AI in at least some part of their business. Nearly 90 percent of leaders are championing adoption as a core strategic requirement. Yet 86 percent of those same leaders admit their organizations aren't prepared to implement AI into day-to-day workflows. So leadership wants AI deployed yesterday. But teams don't have a plan to do it well. That's where you come in. In this episode, I walk through the four broad ways clients are buying AI-related help right now, so you can figure out where you fit and what you might want to offer. What You'll Learn Why the demand for AI help goes far beyond "content creation" — and what clients are actually buying now The two dimensions that shape every AI-related client need (clarity vs. capability, guidance vs. systems) The four categories of demand: strategic advisory, training and enablement, proof-of-concept builds, and implementation work Why writers are naturally suited for this kind of work, even without a technical background Why you should develop two or three of these offers, not all four How to match your strengths and interests to the categories that fit you best Key Ideas & Takeaways 1. The Opportunity Is Real, and It's Driven from the Top. Leadership across industries is mandating AI adoption, but most teams don't have a clear path to get there. Writers with systems thinking skills are well positioned to bridge that gap. 2. Two Gaps, Two Dimensions. Clients either need clarity (they don't know what to do) or capability (they can't do it themselves). Layered on top of that, some need guidance (a thinking partner) and others need systems (actual workflows and tools). Those two dimensions create four categories of demand. 3. Strategic Advisory. The client needs clarity and guidance. They're overwhelmed, don't know where to start, and need someone to assess their situation and build a plan. You're being hired for judgment, not output. This looks like paid assessments, strategy sprints, or advisory retainers. 4. Training and Enablement. The client needs capability and guidance. Their team is using AI tools inconsistently, with no cohesive approach or standardized workflows. You teach them how to prompt well, build repeatable processes, and review AI output effectively. 5. Proof-of-Concept Builds. The client needs clarity and systems. They've heard about AI-powered workflows but need to see one working before they invest further. You build something small, contained, and tangible that proves the concept and opens the door to bigger engagements. 6. Implementation Work. The client needs capabilities and systems. They know what they want; they need someone to build it. Workflows, automations, prompt libraries, templates, and integrations. This is the highest-volume category and tends to be sticky once you're embedded. 7. Pick Two or Three, Not All Four. Each category requires a different skill set, buyer type, and sales conversation. Trying to do all four leads to muddled messaging and thin delivery. Match your offers to your strengths, your interests, and the clients you already attract. Action Steps Look at the four categories and rank them by where you have the most credibility, energy, and natural pull Think about your last few client conversations and ask: which type of help were they really asking for? Pick two or three categories to focus on and start paying attention to the signals in your prospect conversations.

Kareem Saleh is the CEO and co-founder of FairPlay, an AI enablement platform helping financial institutions test, tune, and monitor AI systems in production. Four years after his first appearance on the show, Kareem returns to discuss how FairPlay has evolved from credit model fairness into a full AI enablement infrastructure layer and why the rise of generative and agentic AI has made that work more consequential than ever.What We CoveredHow generative AI changes the definition of fairness in financial servicesThe shift from model validation to continuous, system-level testingFairPlay's three core capabilities: testing, optimizing, and validating AI systemsHow one customer added one day to their model development cycle but saved 60–90 days in compliance reviewThe 25–33% of declined applicants who would have performed as well as the riskiest approvalsWhy the question for legacy institutions has flipped, from "is AI safe enough to try?" to "is it riskier not to adopt AI?"The political environment and how fairness demand reconfigures, not disappears, across administrationsState-level regulatory frameworks filling the federal enforcement gapKareem's Congressional testimony on AI and algorithmic biasThe agentic AI opportunity in KYC, BSA, and AML workflowsRegulatory look-back risk and why today's decisions can become 2029's consent ordersCash flow underwriting risks and climate risk as underappreciated threats to credit portfoliosConnect with Fintech One-on-One:Tweet me @PeterRentonConnect with me on LinkedInFind previous Fintech One-on-One episodes

Welcome to Episode 425 of the Microsoft Cloud IT Pro Podcast. In this audio and video episode recorded live at Microsoft headquarters during the MVP Summit, Ben welcomes a return guest, Joy Apple, to the Microsoft Cloud IT Pro Podcast and discuss her 20-year career in the Microsoft collaboration space, from financial services to SharePoint training, consulting, and her current role at Orchestry Software. Joy explains Orchestry as a Microsoft 365 governance automation layer covering templated provisioning for SharePoint and Teams, archiving policies (including Microsoft 365 Archive), guest management, and OneDrive governance. They emphasize that AI and Copilot amplify existing information architecture, permissions, and data hygiene issues, making governance more critical. They describe the MVP Summit as a “family reunion” where MVPs attend sessions and reconnect with peers. Joy and Ben also spend some time describing paths becoming an MVP and how much they just enjoy the community around the Microsoft 365 ecosystem and connecting with people both at MVP Summit as well as various conferences throughout the year. About Joy Apple Joy is a Microsoft MVP and Director of Success and Enablement at Orchestry. With years of experience as an information technologist, I'm dedicated to helping organizations implement technology with a purpose-driven, “human-first” approach, ensuring tools like Microsoft 365 empower people to do their best work. Teaching and knowledge-sharing are at the heart of what I do. Whether it's through volunteering in the Microsoft Community, speaking at events, or writing as the “Joy of SharePoint,” I'm passionate about helping others unlock their potential with modern workplace solutions. Im also a cohost of the Guardians of M365 Governance podcast, where I explore the challenges and rewards of governance, and a columnist for She is Tulsa, a quarterly magazine celebrating impactful stories from my local community. Outside of work, you'll often find me enjoying live music or discovering new spots in Tulsa, Oklahoma, combining my love of connection and creativity wherever I go. Show Notes See the recording from the Microsoft Studios! Joy Apple on LinkedIn The Microsoft 365 Maturity Model – Governance, Risk, and Compliance Competency The Microsoft MVP Communities About the MVP Program Overview of Microsoft 365 Archive Guests in the Microsoft 365 admin center Mitigate Oversharing to Govern Microsoft 365 Copilot and Agents Orchestry About the sponsors   TrustedTech is a leading Microsoft Cloud Solution Provider (CSP) specializing in Microsoft Cloud services, Microsoft perpetual licensing, and Microsoft Support Services for medium and enterprise-sized businesses. Our robust team of in-house, U.S-based Microsoft architects and engineers are certified in all 6/6 Microsoft Solutions Partner Designations in the Microsoft Cloud Partner Program. M365 Licensing Consultation M365 Tenant Assessment Copilot Readiness Assessment Your migration and governance solution for Microsoft 365 ShareGate helps your teams simplify tenant migrations, get Copilot-ready, and take control of Microsoft 365 governance. Our Microsoft 365 experts and Microsoft Azure experts focus on the Microsoft cloud, so you can focus on what you do best! Learn more how we can help you!

Company culture is ignored too often as a focused activity of HR. And it's rare to find someone who has a system for intentionally shaping culture. Nadia Uberoi, Head of People at Garner Health, is that person. She argues that shaping culture is one of, if not the most important activity we do in HR. In this episode, we break down:

Designing for Excellence: How AI is Transforming Sales Enablement—Insights from Laura FuIn the rapidly evolving world of sales, the integration of artificial intelligence is no longer a futuristic concept—it is a present-day imperative for staying competitive. In a recent episode of The Thoughtful Entrepreneur Podcast, host Josh Elledge sat down with Laura Fu, Head of Revenue Operations and Strategy at DevRev, to discuss the intersection of mechanical engineering, culinary precision, and modern sales strategy. Laura, the author of Designing for Excellence: Sales Enablement in the AI Native World, shares how high-growth organizations can leverage AI to automate the mundane while doubling down on the human elements that actually close complex deals. This episode serves as a strategic roadmap for leaders who want to move beyond the hype and implement AI in a way that truly augments the expertise of their sales professionals.Systems Thinking: Balancing Michelin-Star Rigor with AI VelocitySales enablement is often mischaracterized as a series of disconnected training programs, but true excellence requires treating it as a holistic system that integrates every department from product to marketing. Laura Fu explains that much like a Michelin-star kitchen, a successful sales organization relies on absolute consistency and predictability; every customer interaction must meet a specific brand standard, regardless of which representative is leading the call. By applying "systems thinking," leadership can build repeatable workflows where AI handles the high-velocity, routine tasks—such as call summarization, prospect research, and note-taking—freeing up the human reps to focus on high-value activities like deal qualification and nuanced relationship building. This balance ensures that technology serves as a lever for productivity rather than a crutch that replaces foundational sales skills.The shift toward an AI-native sales environment also demands a fundamental change in leadership engagement and coaching ratios. Effective change management is as much about people as it is about technology, requiring transparent communication to address fears of job displacement while clearly defining where human judgment must remain the final arbiter. Organizations that thrive in this era maintain low rep-to-manager ratios—ideally six or seven to one—to ensure that managers can provide the personalized coaching necessary to interpret the nuances AI might miss, such as tone, context, and unspoken buyer cues. By focusing on leading indicators like the quality of meaningful conversations rather than just lagging revenue metrics, leaders can guide their teams through the discomfort of AI adoption and build a culture of continuous experimentation.Ultimately, future-proofing a sales organization involves establishing strong foundational processes before layering on complex technology. AI moves at the speed of human adoption, meaning that the most advanced tools in the world are useless without a team that is trained to validate AI outputs and prioritize authentic, empathy-based relationships. Leaders must champion this integration by piloting new solutions with small groups, soliciting frontline feedback, and celebrating early wins to build momentum. When AI is used to accelerate research and eliminate administrative debt, it allows the sales force to return to what they do best: building the deep, credible rapport that serves as the bedrock of trust in every high-stakes transaction.About Laura FuLaura Fu is the Head of Revenue Operations and Strategy at DevRev and a seasoned tech leader with an unconventional background in mechanical engineering and culinary arts. Her diverse career path has instilled a unique appreciation for discipline, structure, and creativity in business operations. She is the author of Designing for Excellence: Sales Enablement in the AI Native World and the host of the State of the AI Union podcast, where she explores the impact of artificial intelligence on buyers, sellers, and investors.About DevRevDevRev is an AI-native platform designed to bridge the gap between product development and customer growth. By connecting developers with end-users and sales teams, DevRev helps organizations build more customer-centric products and streamline their revenue operations. The platform leverages advanced AI to provide real-time insights and automate workflows, allowing businesses to scale their excellence while maintaining a deep focus on the customer experience.Links Mentioned in This EpisodeDevRev Official Website: laurafu.aiLaura Fu on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/laurazfu/Key Episode HighlightsCulinary Discipline in Sales: Applying the rigor of Michelin-star kitchens to create repeatable, high-quality sales processes.Enablement as a System: Why sales success requires breaking down silos between product, marketing, and sales leadership.Augmenting vs. Replacing: Using AI for research and summarization while keeping human judgment at the center of deal qualification.The Manager's Role in the AI Era: The importance of maintaining a low rep-to-manager ratio for high-impact coaching and nuanced deal oversight.Change Management Strategies: Leading teams through technology adoption by prioritizing transparent communication and experimentation.ConclusionThe conversation with Laura Fu highlights that while AI is fundamentally changing the sales landscape, the core tenets of discipline, consistency, and human empathy remain the primary drivers of success. By treating sales enablement as an integrated system rather than a one-off program, organizations can harness AI to eliminate "busy work" and empower their teams to focus on strategic, high-impact engagement.More from The Thoughtful Entrepreneur

What does your Working Genius look like when you're under stress, and would you even recognize it in yourself?In episode 110 of the Working Genius Podcast, Pat Lencioni, Cody Thompson, and Matt Lynch explore what happens to each of the six Working Genius types when they're under stress, a state they call being "in the grip." Walking through Wonder, Invention, Discernment, Galvanizing, Enablement, and Tenacity letter by letter, the team uncovers how each type's greatest strengths can become their most challenging behaviors when unregulated. The conversation closes with a practical and compassionate framework for extending grace to teammates in the grip, recognizing that what looks like a flaw may simply be a strength operating under too much pressure.Topics explored in this episode: Pat, Cody, and Matt introduce "in the grip" — what each Working Genius type looks like when strengths become distorted under stress.The team explores the Wonder type, revealing how natural curiosity can spiral into analysis paralysis, endless questioning, and loss of direction.(00:00:03) Wonder in the GripPat, Cody, and Matt introduce "in the grip,” what each Working Genius type looks like when strengths become distorted under stress.The team explores the Wonder type, revealing how natural curiosity can spiral into analysis paralysis, endless questioning, and loss of direction.(00:05:15) ADHD, Procrastination, and Invention in the GripPat connects Wonder under stress to procrastination and ADHD misdiagnosis.The team turns to Invention, describing how the drive to generate ideas becomes chaotic under stress.(00:09:46) Discernment and Galvanizing Under PressureThe group unpacks Discernment in the grip, how the healthy instinct to evaluate ideas can tip into hypercriticism, cynicism, and judgment under stress.They move to Galvanizing, exploring how the drive to inspire movement can turn into pushiness and impatience when stress takes hold.(00:15:41) Enablement and Tenacity When UnregulatedThe team explores Enablement in the grip, how the instinct to help can lead to overcommitment, exhaustion, and quiet resentment when the enabler's own needs go unmet.They turn to Tenacity, noting how discipline and follow-through can slide into rigidity, isolation, and frustration with those perceived as lazy or uncommitted.(00:20:28) Applying This to Teams, Pairings, and ClosingPat, Cody, and Matt explore how genius pairs stop working together under stress, and how leaders can use this framework to start grace-filled conversations with struggling team members.This episode of The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. The Six Types of Working Genius model helps you discover your natural gifts and thrive in your work and life. When you're able to better understand the types of work that bring you more energy and fulfillment and avoid work that leads to frustration and failure, you can be more self-aware, more productive, and more successful. The Six Types of Working Genius assessment is the fastest and simplest way to discover your natural gifts and thrive at work: https://workinggenius.me/about Subscribe for more content from Patrick Lencioni @PatrickLencioniOfficialStay Connected with Patrick LencioniLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealthInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/patricklencioniofficialTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@patricklencioniofficialX: https://x.com/patricklencioniThe Working Genius Podcast with Patrick LencioniApple: https://apple.co/4iNz6YnSpotify: https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8uYouTube: https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTubeBe sure to check out our other podcast, At The Table with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/6NWAZzkzl4ljxX7S2xkHvu), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.

What happens when your “Plan A” for change becomes impossible overnight?In this week's episode of the Only Constant, Eliza Fendell unpacks with Nellie Wartoft how a global pandemic forced a total rethink of change communication: shifting from in-person roadshows to “roadshows in a box,” empowering managers, using gamification, and even mailing 35,000 postcards to get the message across. Connect with:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Nellie Wartoft⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠CEO of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tigerhall⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Chair of the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Executive Council for Leading Change (ECLC)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠nellie@tigerhall.com

Podcast Summary Unlock the secrets of AI and redefine your business strategy with insights from Seth Marrs, Sandler's Chief Strategy Officer. We promise you'll gain a clear understanding of how to wield AI's transformative power effectively without succumbing to the hype. Together, we'll navigate the tumultuous terrain of AI adoption, cutting through vendor-driven noise to focus on enhancing business efficiency. Learn how precision-targeted AI processes and smart technology investments can elevate your sales strategies while safeguarding data accuracy. Step into the future of sales training as technology and data investment revolutionize traditional methods. We explore how companies that embrace advanced data structures and generative AI are setting a new standard in sales enablement and leadership. From boosting conversation intelligence to redefining KPIs, discover how these advancements allow sales leaders to coach with precision and free teams from the shackles of outdated forecasting. This episode promises a remarkable journey into the next era of sales excellence, where strategic foresight and data-driven decision-making take center stage. Chapter 1: Introduction and Guest Setup 00:00:02 – 00:01:16 Dave Mattson introduces the How to Succeed podcast and frames the focus on attitudes, behaviors, and techniques. He welcomes guest Seth Marrs, Sandler's Chief Strategy Officer, and teases a discussion on where "the puck is going" in tech and AI for sales and leadership. Chapter 2: The Innovative Revenue Leader Podcast Overview 00:01:16 – 00:02:11 Seth explains his podcast format: deep-dives on a single topic across multiple episodes, featuring varied expert perspectives and a research-driven synthesis. The goal is to provide practical tools and insights leaders can apply to grow revenue. Chapter 3: Actionable Depth vs. High-Level Concepts 00:02:11 – 00:02:59 Dave highlights the gap between conceptual podcasts and actionable takeaways. Seth confirms they publish companion reports, citing one on five AI-driven capacity levers to ensure listeners leave with concrete steps. Chapter 4: The AI Hype Cycle and Vendor-Driven Chaos 00:02:59 – 00:04:56 They discuss the rapid acceleration of technology and AI since 2020 and a vendor-fueled market pushing "AI" everywhere. Executive pressure to "do AI" leads to misaligned investments, often neglecting foundational needs like data hygiene. Chapter 5: Why AI Initiatives Fail and What Works 00:04:56 – 00:06:08 Referencing studies with high AI failure rates, Seth argues success comes from mapping and improving specific processes with AI, not buying tools to fix problems. Proven change still follows process-first, tool-second discipline. Chapter 6: Pressure, Waste, and Upcoming Market Correction 00:06:08 – 00:08:41 Dave notes external pressure to adopt AI creates fear of being left behind. Both anticipate a near-term shift toward smarter, ROI-focused adoption, driven by CFO scrutiny and repeatable success stories clarifying where AI truly adds value. Chapter 7: Overlapping Tools and the "Can It Do It vs. Is It Good?" Test 00:08:41 – 00:10:24 They unpack redundancy in tech stacks (e.g., multiple tools that "write emails"). The real question is output quality and contextual relevance, echoing prior dynamics like using LinkedIn for accuracy and ZoomInfo for phone numbers. Chapter 8: Education Gap and Overpromising Vendors 00:10:24 – 00:11:18 Most practitioners don't understand nuanced tool differences, exacerbated by vendors claiming universal AI capability. This fuels confusion and misaligned purchasing. Chapter 9: Where the Puck Is Going: Data, Infrastructure, and Enablement 00:11:18 – 00:12:49 AI performance will only improve; organizations investing in data and infrastructure will compound gains. Seth predicts a transformation in enablement and training through conversation intelligence and role-play powered by GenAI. Chapter 10: From Training Events to Continuous, Visible Reinforcement 00:12:49 – 00:14:24 Enablement evolves from one-off training to ongoing assessment across calls and emails, with clear visibility into who applies the methodology and the outcomes. Leaders gain unprecedented insight to reinforce and optimize. Chapter 11: Science Over Art in Sales Performance 00:14:24 – 00:16:28 Dave likens the shift to medicine and pro sports: from art to data-driven science with MRIs and video review. Sales can now diagnose reality over self-reported optimism, though increased transparency may feel threatening to some. Chapter 12: Tools Elevate but Don't Replace Excellence 00:16:28 – 00:19:30 Seth asserts technology equips practitioners but doesn't eliminate the performance spectrum. Blindly following AI produces average results; top performers synthesize AI with judgment, adapting to context shifts like those during COVID. Chapter 13: Empowering High Performers and Institutionalizing Wins 00:19:30 – 00:21:28 AI can surface winning patterns from "rogue" top sellers and scale them across teams. Digital playbooks can capture best moments across individuals, but most organizations still fail to build and maintain them. Chapter 14: Culture, Curiosity, and Leveling the Field 00:21:28 – 00:22:55 Resistance stems from human nature and legacy structures that reward tenure over curiosity. The new environment favors sellers committed to craft, learning, and experimentation, expanding their opportunities. Chapter 15: Manager Adoption and the Coaching Opportunity 00:22:55 – 00:24:36 Historically, reps learned from call libraries more than managers used them. Pressure is mounting on managers to leverage these tools, shifting from generic call quotas to event-driven, targeted coaching triggers. Chapter 16: Span of Control and Precision Coaching 00:24:36 – 00:25:59 AI-driven diagnostics will increase managers' span of control by automating detection of coachable moments. Time shifts from ride-alongs and full-call reviews to focused intervention on specific gaps tied to deal impact. Chapter 17: Practical Playbook for Sales Leaders 00:25:59 – 00:27:39 Leaders should adopt tech for pinpoint coaching, grounded in recorded calls and captured emails. This enables loss mitigation via timely intervention, delivering more performance with less wasted managerial time. Chapter 18: Rethinking CRO Metrics and Forecasting 00:27:39 – 00:29:47 For CROs and owners, the mandate is a new set of leading indicators sourced from conversation and engagement data. Forecasts should become byproducts of actual selling activity rather than self-reported, error-prone rollups. Chapter 19: From Guesswork to Evidence-Based Operations 00:29:47 – 00:32:20 Leaders gain the ability to make forward-looking decisions from real interactions, not hedged numbers. Reclaiming time spent on forecasting and discovering bespoke conversational indicators creates durable competitive advantages. Chapter 20: Closing Guidance: Start Small, Solve One Problem 00:32:20 – end Seth advises choosing a single, well-defined problem, mapping it to a solvable action with a tool, and executing. Mastery and confidence build through iterative wins, avoiding the trap of broad, unfocused AI implementations. Dave closes by recapping takeaways and promoting Seth's podcast.

Rae Cheney, Director, Sales Technology Enablement at ⁠Morningstar⁠! discusses how librarians can reframe their skills to move into a role in industry. During our conversation, Rae discussed ⁠ATD⁠, ⁠Devlearn⁠ and ⁠TechLearn⁠.

How can HR Rethink Performance Management?Why is Performance Management broken and what can HR do about it? My guests on this episode are Edie Goldberg & Alan Colquitt, co-authors of “Performance Enablement: A New Model for Driving Organizational Performance.”During our conversation, Edie, Alan, and I discuss the following: Why traditional performance management systems were built for a different era of work.How performance management became more about compensation than improving performance.Why shifting from performance management to performance enablement changes the leadership mindset.How continuous coaching and feedback outperform annual reviews and performance ratings.Why team-based goals better reflect how work actually gets done in modern organizations.Connecting with Edie and Alan: Connect with Edie Goldberg on LinkedIn Connect with Alan Colquitt on LinkedInLearn more about Edie's firm and Performance EnablementLearn more about Alan's firm and Performance EnablementEpisode Sponsor: Next-Gen HR Accelerator - Learn more about this best-in-class leadership development program for next-gen HR leadersHR Leader's Blueprint - 18 pages of real-world advice from 100+ HR thought leaders. Simple, actionable, and proven strategies to advance your career.Succession Planning Playbook: In this focused 1-page resource, I cut through the noise to give you the vital elements that define what “great” succession planning looks like.

Ashley Marcotte, Senior Manager of Project & Enablement at Numeracle, spoke with Doug Green, Publisher of Technology Reseller News, during the HIMSS conference about the growing need for trusted voice communications and the role of verified calling technologies in enterprise environments. Marcotte explained that organizations across industries—particularly healthcare—are facing increasing challenges with call authentication and spam filtering. As consumers become more cautious about answering unknown numbers, legitimate business calls are often ignored or blocked entirely. “Organizations need to ensure that when they call a customer or patient, the recipient can clearly see who is calling and trust that the call is legitimate,” she said. Numeracle helps enterprises address this challenge by providing visibility and verification tools that allow businesses to register and authenticate their phone numbers across the telecommunications ecosystem. These capabilities help organizations protect their brand identity, reduce call blocking, and improve answer rates for critical communications such as appointment reminders, patient outreach, and customer service interactions. Marcotte also noted that many enterprises attending HIMSS are recognizing that trusted voice communications are now a strategic requirement rather than a technical afterthought. With increasing regulatory scrutiny and growing consumer awareness around fraud and spoofed calls, organizations must ensure that their outbound communications are both secure and transparent. As digital transformation continues across healthcare and other sectors, solutions that restore trust and accountability in voice communications are becoming an essential part of modern customer and patient engagement strategies. Learn more about Numeracle: https://www.numeracle.com/

In this episode of the Lead Culture Podcast, Jenni Catron sits down with renowned leadership expert and bestselling author Patrick Lencioni to explore his groundbreaking framework, The Six Types of Working Genius.Lencioni—best known for The Five Dysfunctions of a Team and his work on organizational health—shares how the Working Genius model helps leaders and teams understand the kinds of work that energize them and the tasks that drain them. When teams gain a shared language for how people are wired to contribute, collaboration improves, frustration decreases, and culture becomes healthier.Patrick explains the six types of work required in every project—Wonder, Invention, Discernment, Galvanizing, Enablement, and Tenacity—and how each person typically excels in two of these areas. By identifying these strengths, leaders can build more balanced teams, place people in roles where they thrive, and reduce unnecessary guilt and judgment in the workplace.Throughout the conversation, Catron and Lencioni discuss:Why organizational health is more important than strategy aloneHow the Working Genius framework improves team communicationWhy many leaders unintentionally place people in the wrong rolesHow shared language around strengths transforms team culturePractical ways leaders can use the model to hire, develop, and align teamsWhether you're new to the Working Genius assessment or already using leadership tools like DISC, Myers-Briggs, or the Enneagram, this conversation will help you rethink how work gets done—and how understanding your team's natural gifts can unlock greater engagement, productivity, and purpose.If you want to build a healthier culture, lead people more effectively, and help your team do their best work, this episode is a must-listen.Take the assessment here with 20% off. We need your help to get the LeadCulture podcasts in front of more leaders! There are three simple things you can do that truly help us: Review us on Apple podcasts Subscribe - we're available wherever you listen to podcasts. Share - let your friends know about the podcast by sharing your favorite episode on social media!

"You know, at the core of Working Genius, what it does is it allows us to avoid guilt and judgment—guilt about ourselves and judgment of others." That's Patrick Lencioni, bestselling author and organizational health expert, talking about his breakthrough Working Genius productivity framework on the Sales Gravy podcast. If you're leading a sales team, this explains why high performers thrive in some roles and burn out in others. Right now, you probably have high performers who are miserable, rockstars who've lost their spark, and top reps who suddenly can't hit quota. And you're wondering—did you hire wrong, did someone lose their edge, or do you need to have “the conversation”? What if the problem isn't the person at all?  The Real Reason Your Best People Are Struggling Not all work is created equal, and your sales reps aren't wired to do all of it. Lencioni stumbled on this insight while reflecting on himself. He'd show up to work loving his job and the people he worked with, yet swing from energized to frustrated without understanding why.  His colleague asked, “Why are you like that?” Over a few hours, Lencioni and his team pinpointed six distinct types of work. Depending on which type you're doing, you're either energized or drained. Five years later, over 1.5 million people have taken the Working Genius assessment. Why? Most organizations force talented people into work that drains them, then blame them when they struggle. Most sales leaders hire a closer for their ability to seal deals, then wonder why they can't prospect. They promote a quota-crusher into management, then watch them implode under administrative responsibilities. Or move an account manager into new business development and act shocked when performance tanks. The talent was there all along, but their positioning was wrong. Six Types of Work—and Why Most People Only Excel at Two Patrick Lencioni identified six distinct types of work that exist in every organization: Wonder (W): Spotting opportunities, asking big-picture questions Invention (I): Creating new solutions, processes, or systems Discernment (D): Evaluating ideas, figuring out what will work Galvanizing (G): Rallying the team, getting people moving Enablement (E): Supporting others, clearing obstacles, making things happen Tenacity (T): Following through, finishing tasks, closing deals Here's what matters: most people are strong in two, competent in two, and are drained by the remaining two. And there are no good or bad geniuses. Your closer with natural Tenacity isn't more valuable than your strategic thinker with Wonder and Discernment. Your rep who rallies the team (Galvanizing) isn't better than the one who quietly enables everyone behind the scenes. Different geniuses are valuable in different ways. The goal is to build a team where all six are represented, and people work in their areas of strength. Force someone into work that drains them, and sales team performance tanks. Leave them in their genius zones, and energy and results skyrocket. Stop Judging Your People (And Yourself) You've probably got a rep right now who frustrates you. Maybe they're brilliant in client meetings but terrible at following up. Maybe they generate incredible account strategies, but can't stand the daily grind of outbound prospecting. Maybe they close deals but never update the CRM. Your first instinct is to judge them. "They're not coachable." "They don't care about the details." "They're lazy." Working Genius removes that judgment. It shows you that their struggle isn't about character—it's about wiring. A rep isn't bad at follow-up because they don't care. They're bad at it because Tenacity isn't their genius. A rep isn't a bad team player because they don't remove obstacles for others. Enablement isn't their strength. And here's the part most sales leaders miss: you need to stop judging yourself, too. You feel guilty that you hate certain parts of your job. You think you should be better at forecasting, or administrative work, or whatever drains you. But guilt about your own limitations makes you harder on your team. When you accept that you're not built to excel at everything, you can extend that same grace to others. You stop punishing people for being human and start positioning them for success. Start With Self-Reflection Which activities give you energy? Which leave you drained? I'll be honest about my own wake-up call. I travel over 300 nights a year, giving keynotes and working with clients. Last summer, I got to the point where I thought I was going to have a mental breakdown. Days stacked with short calls, client check-ins, alignment meetings, and podcasts. I was furious when I got to the office, and furious when I left because those days completely destroy my brain. I'm a wonderer and a thinker. I need space to ideate. Without that time, I can't function. So I implemented a new rule: no more than two meetings per day. I understood my working genius and restructured my time. Once you see your own patterns, look at your team. Track what lights people up and what slows them down. Patterns emerge quickly. How to Apply Working Genius to Your Sales Team We had a team member at Sales Gravy who was noticeably unhappy. Not complaining out loud, just clearly not thriving. When we looked at what the job required versus their working genius profile, the answer was obvious. We had them doing work completely opposite of their natural abilities. Once we restructured their role to align with their strengths, everything changed. Here's how you can apply it: Pair complementary geniuses. Big-picture thinkers need execution-focused partners. Strategic planners need implementers. Someone strong in Wonder and Invention but weak in Tenacity needs to work with someone who loves finishing and closing. Restructure roles around natural strengths. Don't force people into weaknesses. Reassign or support tasks that drain them.  Be intentional with promotions. Top performers don't automatically make good managers. Your best individual contributor may hate administrative work. Your best manager may dislike strategic planning. Know what fits before making moves. Have your team take the assessment. Get everyone's working genius profile. Put it at their workstation. Use it in real-time during team meetings when you're trying to figure out why something isn't working. We do this at Sales Gravy, and it's transformed how we work together.  The Bottom Line Your sales team isn't broken, but your understanding of how they work might be. When you force talented people into roles that clash with their natural strengths, you get frustration, underperformance, and attrition. Then you blame the person and start hiring again.  Everyone has areas of frustration. Everyone faces work they aren't naturally good at. Working Genius doesn't let people avoid the draining tasks—but it helps you understand why some work feels impossible, build teams that complement each other, and stop punishing your people for being human. Stop judging that rep who struggles with CRM updates. Stop feeling guilty that you hate certain parts of your job. Start positioning people where their natural abilities can shine. Over 1.5 million people have discovered their working genius. Most of them wish they'd found it sooner. Visit workinggenius.com and take the assessment. Use coupon code GRAVY for 20% off. 

“You know, at the core of Working Genius, what it does is it allows us to avoid guilt and judgment—guilt about ourselves and judgment of others.” That's Patrick Lencioni, bestselling author and organizational health expert, talking about his breakthrough Working Genius productivity framework on the Sales Gravy podcast. If you're leading a sales team, this explains why high performers thrive in some roles and burn out in others. Right now, you probably have high performers who are miserable, rockstars who've lost their spark, and top reps who suddenly can't hit quota. And you're wondering—did you hire wrong, did someone lose their edge, or do you need to have “the conversation”? What if the problem isn't the person at all?  The Real Reason Your Best People Are Struggling Not all work is created equal, and your sales reps aren't wired to do all of it. Lencioni stumbled on this insight while reflecting on himself. He'd show up to work loving his job and the people he worked with, yet swing from energized to frustrated without understanding why.  His colleague asked, “Why are you like that?” Over a few hours, Lencioni and his team pinpointed six distinct types of work. Depending on which type you're doing, you're either energized or drained. Five years later, over 1.5 million people have taken the Working Genius assessment. Why? Most organizations force talented people into work that drains them, then blame them when they struggle. Most sales leaders hire a closer for their ability to seal deals, then wonder why they can't prospect. They promote a quota-crusher into management, then watch them implode under administrative responsibilities. Or move an account manager into new business development and act shocked when performance tanks. The talent was there all along, but their positioning was wrong. Six Types of Work—and Why Most People Only Excel at Two Patrick Lencioni identified six distinct types of work that exist in every organization: Wonder (W): Spotting opportunities, asking big-picture questions Invention (I): Creating new solutions, processes, or systems Discernment (D): Evaluating ideas, figuring out what will work Galvanizing (G): Rallying the team, getting people moving Enablement (E): Supporting others, clearing obstacles, making things happen Tenacity (T): Following through, finishing tasks, closing deals Here’s what matters: most people are strong in two, competent in two, and are drained by the remaining two. And there are no good or bad geniuses. Your closer with natural Tenacity isn’t more valuable than your strategic thinker with Wonder and Discernment. Your rep who rallies the team (Galvanizing) isn’t better than the one who quietly enables everyone behind the scenes. Different geniuses are valuable in different ways. The goal is to build a team where all six are represented, and people work in their areas of strength. Force someone into work that drains them, and sales team performance tanks. Leave them in their genius zones, and energy and results skyrocket. Stop Judging Your People (And Yourself) You’ve probably got a rep right now who frustrates you. Maybe they’re brilliant in client meetings but terrible at following up. Maybe they generate incredible account strategies, but can’t stand the daily grind of outbound prospecting. Maybe they close deals but never update the CRM. Your first instinct is to judge them. “They’re not coachable.” “They don’t care about the details.” “They’re lazy.” Working Genius removes that judgment. It shows you that their struggle isn’t about character—it’s about wiring. A rep isn't bad at follow-up because they don’t care. They’re bad at it because Tenacity isn’t their genius. A rep isn't a bad team player because they don't remove obstacles for others. Enablement isn't their strength. And here’s the part most sales leaders miss: you need to stop judging yourself, too. You feel guilty that you hate certain parts of your job. You think you should be better at forecasting, or administrative work, or whatever drains you. But guilt about your own limitations makes you harder on your team. When you accept that you’re not built to excel at everything, you can extend that same grace to others. You stop punishing people for being human and start positioning them for success. Start With Self-Reflection Which activities give you energy? Which leave you drained? I’ll be honest about my own wake-up call. I travel over 300 nights a year, giving keynotes and working with clients. Last summer, I got to the point where I thought I was going to have a mental breakdown. Days stacked with short calls, client check-ins, alignment meetings, and podcasts. I was furious when I got to the office, and furious when I left because those days completely destroy my brain. I’m a wonderer and a thinker. I need space to ideate. Without that time, I can’t function. So I implemented a new rule: no more than two meetings per day. I understood my working genius and restructured my time. Once you see your own patterns, look at your team. Track what lights people up and what slows them down. Patterns emerge quickly. How to Apply Working Genius to Your Sales Team We had a team member at Sales Gravy who was noticeably unhappy. Not complaining out loud, just clearly not thriving. When we looked at what the job required versus their working genius profile, the answer was obvious. We had them doing work completely opposite of their natural abilities. Once we restructured their role to align with their strengths, everything changed. Here's how you can apply it: Pair complementary geniuses. Big-picture thinkers need execution-focused partners. Strategic planners need implementers. Someone strong in Wonder and Invention but weak in Tenacity needs to work with someone who loves finishing and closing. Restructure roles around natural strengths. Don't force people into weaknesses. Reassign or support tasks that drain them.  Be intentional with promotions. Top performers don’t automatically make good managers. Your best individual contributor may hate administrative work. Your best manager may dislike strategic planning. Know what fits before making moves. Have your team take the assessment. Get everyone’s working genius profile. Put it at their workstation. Use it in real-time during team meetings when you’re trying to figure out why something isn’t working. We do this at Sales Gravy, and it’s transformed how we work together.  The Bottom Line Your sales team isn't broken, but your understanding of how they work might be. When you force talented people into roles that clash with their natural strengths, you get frustration, underperformance, and attrition. Then you blame the person and start hiring again.  Everyone has areas of frustration. Everyone faces work they aren't naturally good at. Working Genius doesn't let people avoid the draining tasks—but it helps you understand why some work feels impossible, build teams that complement each other, and stop punishing your people for being human. Stop judging that rep who struggles with CRM updates. Stop feeling guilty that you hate certain parts of your job. Start positioning people where their natural abilities can shine. Over 1.5 million people have discovered their working genius. Most of them wish they’d found it sooner. Visit workinggenius.com and take the assessment. Use coupon code GRAVY for 20% off. 

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How can pairing geniuses enhance the customer service experience?In episode 105 of the Working Genius Podcast, Pat and Cody dive deep into the world of customer service roles and enablement. They explore how unique combinations of working geniuses, such as enablement paired with discernment or tenacity, can enhance customer interactions and improve service outcomes. By aligning strengths with job demands, being authentic about one's abilities, and providing tailored solutions to customers, individuals can excel in customer service roles and find satisfaction in their careers.Topics explored in this episode: 00:00:47 – Types of Customer Service* Great customer service depends on the right mix of working geniuses* Enablement shines when helping others feels energizing, not draining00:04:46 – Discernment and Enablement* Discernment helps decode what customers actually mean* Enablement turns confusion into clear, helpful solutions00:06:35 – Tenacity and Enablement* Tenacity makes sure no email or question gets left behind * Enablement brings the drive to serve fast, fully, and well00:11:09 – Types of Employee Geniuses* Different genius types shape how people show up at work* Customer service thrives when roles match natural strengths00:24:22 – Choosing the Right Job* The wrong role leads to burnout, even if you're good at it* The right fit makes work sustainable and satisfyingThis episode of The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. The Six Types of Working Genius model helps you discover your natural gifts and thrive in your work and life. When you're able to better understand the types of work that bring you more energy and fulfillment and avoid work that leads to frustration and failure, you can be more self-aware, more productive, and more successful. The Six Types of Working Genius assessment is the fastest and simplest way to discover your natural gifts and thrive at work: https://workinggenius.me/about Subscribe to The Working Genius Podcast on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3raC053GF5mtkq6Y1klpRU), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni. Be sure to check out our other podcast, At The Table with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/6NWAZzkzl4ljxX7S2xkHvu), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.

Go to www.LearningLeader.com for full show notes The Learning Leader Show with Ryan Hawk This is brought to you by Insight Global. If you need to hire one person, hire a team of people, or transform your business through Talent or Technical Services, Insight Global's team of 30,000 people around the world has the hustle and grit to deliver. My Guest: Patrick Lencioni is the founder of The Table Group and a bestselling author of 14 books, including The Five Dysfunctions of a Team and The 6 Types of Working Genius. Behind his achievements (valedictorian, straight A's, business success) were childhood wounds that drove him to prove himself. Key Learnings "I think I'm really good at anticipating people's objections." I think about what they might be thinking and what I need to put out there. Whether talking interpersonally, giving a speech, writing a book, or on a podcast, I like to think about what the other person might be objecting to. Lean into empathy. I always felt like I needed to prove myself in order to be successful and to feel safe. That's not healthy.  "When people tell you they got straight A's and were the valedictorian, the student body president, and got accepted to all the schools they wanted to get into, there's a wound there." Based on my personality type, I shouldn't have done all those things, but it was out of the need to prove myself. Which wasn't healthy for me. My parents had a hard time being affirming because of their own lives. It wasn't until I was 55 years old that a friend who's a psychologist said, "You, my friend, have childhood wounds you've never dealt with." I got good Christian counseling and realized that the way I grew up, I wasn't supposed to grow up that way. It's common in athletes & CEOs to feel like they haven't done enough. They need to do more. "You're a noun, not a verb. You are enough, and you're not defined by what you do." Great achievements come out of fear, but "true greatness is best when it's only in the things that you're meant to be great at, and that you're doing it out of freedom and passion and love, not out of fear of failure." I remember seeing Tiger Woods on the Tonight Show when he was four years old. He was being groomed to be a golfer when he was four. It's best in life when we discover who God means us to be, then we do the things we're supposed to do and we're okay with not being good at the things we're not supposed to. Are we too affirming now as parents? People who are pretty darn good at everything it's usually because they're doing something out of fear. When I was a kid, my parents came from World War II and the Depression. It was like, hey, you got a roof over your head. There was a lot of suffering, and they weren't really attuned to that. Now we are hyper worried of our own kids suffering. No, suffering is actually good. They need to know they're loved and safe, but they're not gonna be protected from what is necessary for their development. The mistake I made was, oh no, I don't want them to feel like I did. Thankfully at my age, I'm now interacting with my mostly adult children and explaining to them what I did wrong. The Teammate Trifecta - How should we use it?: When I wrote The Five Dysfunctions of a Team right after 9/11, I thought, "That's the book on teamwork." Then we realized you need The Ideal Team Player (humble, hungry, and smart) to hire people that fit on teams. Years later, we came up with Working Genius: Are they in the right seat?  3 steps to building a team: Don't let people on the bus if they're not humble, hungry, and smart. Make sure you have them in the right chair based on their gifts. Then teach them the Five Dysfunctions. Pat's Two Working Geniuses: Invention and Discernment "Invention means I love to come up with ideas out of nothing. Discernment means I love evaluating things, curating things. God wired me to do that kind of thing." When people say, "Pat, we have five minutes, and we need a new idea," I just take a deep breath and smile. One man's trash is another man's treasure.  Every new idea I've come up with has been in the field, working with people. I asked Jim Collins, "Jim, you do all this research with data. I go into a room with leaders and just think, What's going on here?" He said, "Pat, that's just as valid as what I do. That's called field research and face validity."  What is Pat terrible at? Finishing things. People say, "Well you finished 14 books." And that's because I had the help of others to make me finish those.  I got a 4.0 in high school. That wasn't my personality. I went to every class in college, never blew off classes. My personality is the kind that should blow off classes that don't matter. But I was so afraid of failing and disappointing my parents and teachers that I did anything they asked. That was not natural; that was fear-based. Can we use fear as useful fuel? "You can use it in the short term, but if you're doing it in your life, no." "We should celebrate what other people are better than we are at things. We should literally celebrate what we suck at." If we have two kids and one's creative and the other's disciplined, we tell the creative one to be more disciplined and the disciplined one to be more creative. No. We have to say, understanding that you're not creative is good for you. That's not who you're meant to be. The hardest thing about being a parent is constantly asking yourself, "Am I pushing them too hard or not enough?" The hardest question you ask yourself as a parent is, "Am I pushing my kids too hard or not hard enough?" This question also applies to yourself.  In Working Genius, should I work on my working frustrations? The short answer is no.  Working Genius is all about knowing what you love to do. Enablement and Tenacity are my working frustrations, and so many of those things fall into parenting. I'd say to my wife, "Hey, Laura, let's outsource some of these things." Out of fear and guilt, she said no because she felt like she'd be a bad mother. Outsource the work you don't enjoy, and when you have to do it, try your best and don't feel guilty with the result. The electrical company turned off our power for not paying the bill. We need to accept our deficiencies and need to be able to laugh at the things we're not good at.  Ryan's Learning Leader Team: When your whole team has Tenacity as their working genius, your team loves to finish things. You will never be flaky. You might stick to something that needs to be changed way before it needs to be. In my company, we're always up for a change in plans, but not great at following through. If your team doesn't have Wonder and Invention, force yourself to borrow from others outside the organization to get new ideas. The Five Dysfunctions of a Team Vulnerability-based trust changes everything in teams. Eric Spoelstra uses Five Dysfunctions with the Miami Heat. He started when they acquired LeBron James. He said, "I don't know what offense we're gonna run this year, but I know we're gonna use the Five Dysfunctions." I love it in basketball, especially because you see them on the court. When people can be so vulnerable that they can say it was my fault, or I need help, or I'm sorry I was kind of a jerk yesterday at practice, it changes everything. But when you have a player who doesn't admit when they made a mistake or who blames everybody else, the ceiling of that team being great is so low. Humble, Hungry, Smart has been a great tool for athletic teams. I define it: no ego, it's about the team (humble). Hungry means I go above and beyond. Smart means I have emotional intelligence. I have the team members say, "Which of those three is your lowest?" It is crazy how people will call out. The goalie said, "I'm not smart. I yell at guys on the field, and I demean them. I gotta get better." Another kid said, "I need to be hungrier. I don't do the workouts at home." Pat phrases it this way when meeting with athletic teams. "Okay, everybody, look around at your teammates and think about the thing they want to get better at. If you want to be a good teammate, when you see your teammate doing the thing he just admitted he wants to get better at, you need to call him out on it." Once people start to have that language, it's amazing how they're coaching each other. And if as a coach yourself, I think you should tell people, "When I was a player, this was mine." They're gonna go, hey, if the coach admits that, I'll do it too. For leaders with Enablement & Tenacity as top geniuses, how do they avoid burnout? You have to be willing to start with "I am prone to burnout if you guys aren't aware of what's going on." The people with enablement and tenacity will say, "I'll just do it," and then they do. We had 12 employees and only one had Tenacity. We said we are going to kill her because every time we have to get something done, we're gonna say, "Jackie will finish." When people have enablement and tenacity, they and everybody else need to say, let's not abuse them. How do we assess a company in a short amount of time without focusing on their financials?  When I go into a company, I find out what their meetings are like. If there's no disagreement and they're not exhausted at the end of a meeting, that's a red flag. If good people are leaving an organization, that's a massive red flag. I like going around and checking interactions. Is there an intensity with people together? Or are they alone and quiet? Also, keep an eye on customer reviews. What are the customers saying? There are two extremes of humility problems: arrogance on one end, and lack of confidence on the other. I first identified humility as a problem when I saw a CEO who didn't care about his company's results, but if he went on TV and answered questions about why they didn't meet their numbers, he would make jokes and make others laugh. If he was happy from that versus getting the results they needed, that's an issue. What specific traits do leaders need to have to get hired? A leader has to simultaneously believe they are no more important than the people they lead. They also have to accept the fact that their behaviors and words ARE more important than others in the company. "The one thing the leader has to do is break the tie." This past Friday, I was in a meeting trying to deal with a strategic issue between two great people. I dropped a curse word and said, "Listen, I'm pulling the CEO card right now. I don't do it all that often, but since I am the CEO, this is where we're going." Because I don't pull it every time, people are glad to have a CEO that will do that. If you're doing it every time, you lose credibility. Advice for young professionals: I wrote a book called The Motive, and what I say to leaders when they're young is: make sure your motive for being a leader is about sacrificing and suffering for others. "I want to help this organization, or I want to be the kind of person that takes on more than others for their good." Leadership is a lonely and selfless thing. It's wonderful, but the personal economics of leadership are not good. If you don't sign up for that, don't be a leader. Too many people say, I want to be a leader. And if you really scratch below the surface, they'll say, I think it would make me feel important, I'd get attention, maybe I'd make money, I'd have power. When that's your motive for being a leader, you're not gonna be a great leader. Reflection Questions Pat says people who were perfect students (straight A's, valedictorian, student body president) often have childhood wounds driving them. What in your past might be driving your current achievements? Are you operating from freedom and passion, or from fear and the need to prove yourself? He teaches his kids' sports teams to identify which of Humble, Hungry, or Smart is their lowest, then hold each other accountable when they see teammates struggling with that area. What would you identify as your lowest, and who in your life could you invite to call you out when you're not living up to it? Pat says the motive for leadership should be "sacrificing and suffering for others," not feeling important or controlling what you work on. If you're honest about why you want to lead (or why you currently lead), what's really driving you? Would people who report to you say you're other-motivated or personally motivated?